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>>137007485
How's Ramos any appreciably better than this? I like Ramos too, but come on. Not saying he's worse either, mind, but they're fairly equiparable

>>137007500
Same here in terms of "how are these so appreciably better that there's a chasm in quality between them and Mora". Although I appreciate I'm starting to get actual answers rather than just brainless "Mora bad"

>>137007514
Why do you hate an artist drawing solid figurework and acting so much?

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>>137007523
Ramos is one of the most talented artists in the industry

>>137007637
Ramos haters are unironically retarded


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>>137007485
Honestly, you just sound like a Marveldrone if you're defending those hacks and their ugly art. Mora is mid but Ramos is pure trash.

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>>137007523
Ramos is one of the most talented artists in the industry

>>137007637
Ramos haters are unironically retarded


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>>137006154
>I mean, I know it's one of his super powers but it feels more like a Superman thing to do?
>I'm aware it's nitpicking.
Caps faster, stronger and smarter than Superman. Johns isn’t writing this trash.

So no it’s not a more Superman thing to do.

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>>137012141
>Cap can be faster, can be stronger and can be smarter than Superman
Fixed for you, Captain Marvel has a baseline that is similar to everyday Superman, but his powers fluctuate depending on the challenge and billy's grasp on the same powers, if he can imagine himself moving a planet he can, but he cant run as fast as the flash until he sees flash running, his understanding of his powers is extremely important to his feats, as opposed to superman who just do stuff and pushes his own limits. The dinosaur thing, show this version of captain marvel cant negate the momentum of falling objects YET, but i think we will see Billy expanding his powers during the series, Waid wants him to be Superman's equal.


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>>137007524
>gay King Arthur comic
Could you elaborate?

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>>137011905
NTA, but Once & Future by Gillen, I assume


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>>137006160
Waid is trying but I just can't get into this version, first he was a little shit since Johns was trying to be edgy for the sake of it and since the movies he's become a satire of what adults think kids are.


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>>137011905
NTA, but Once & Future by Gillen, I assume

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>>137012233
Thanks for letting me know, anon.


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>>137006154
>I mean, I know it's one of his super powers but it feels more like a Superman thing to do?
>I'm aware it's nitpicking.
Caps faster, stronger and smarter than Superman. Johns isn’t writing this trash.

So no it’s not a more Superman thing to do.

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>>137012141
it's not his ABILITY to do so: him and Superman are close enough in abilities that's not the problem.

it's the "approach": it feels a very "Superman" solution and not a "Captain Marvel" solution.

...then again I would need to define what's a "captain marvel" solution. Like, I feel he'd be less likely to use super-speed on this level outside of traveling and would otherwise use his other abilities?

But, seriously, it's a super-minor issue out of personal preferences.


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>>137006160
>AND FUCK NIG-
CAPTAIN NO

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>>137006247
that's not him being possessed, that part's all Billy


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>>137006086
they're really going with the "he can't say his name without transforming"
fucking dumb

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>>137012457
That's how it used to be pal, and Waid does like unconventional weaknesses.
Also, I think it's more magical that way, if he has to say it with intent, then it's not really a magic word, but rather a word that he can make magic sometimes.


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>>137012141
it's not his ABILITY to do so: him and Superman are close enough in abilities that's not the problem.

it's the "approach": it feels a very "Superman" solution and not a "Captain Marvel" solution.

...then again I would need to define what's a "captain marvel" solution. Like, I feel he'd be less likely to use super-speed on this level outside of traveling and would otherwise use his other abilities?

But, seriously, it's a super-minor issue out of personal preferences.

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>>137012533
>I feel he'd be less likely to use super-speed on this level outside of traveling and would otherwise use his other abilities?
What other abilities? Throw lightning at it until it's fixed?


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>>137006130
>a world of super-villain worms, snickering mad scientists, and ancient evils
and a guy with a banjo

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>>137012530
Mr Banjo filters Mark Waid


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>>137012457
That's how it used to be pal, and Waid does like unconventional weaknesses.
Also, I think it's more magical that way, if he has to say it with intent, then it's not really a magic word, but rather a word that he can make magic sometimes.

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>>137012641
>Also, I think it's more magical that way, if he has to say it with intent, then it's not really a magic word, but rather a word that he can make magic sometimes.
That's how Waid described it
Making it based on intent takes away power from the word itself


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>>137006086
they're really going with the "he can't say his name without transforming"
fucking dumb

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>>137012457
It only became his "name" after New 52.


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>>137007500
All those guys were considered awful.

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>>137007762
>Art Adams
>considered Awful
Now you're just saying shit to say it


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>>137012530
Mr Banjo filters Mark Waid

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are there any legal reasons they can't call him Captain Marvel? because if I was DC I would stick with the name. flaunt him as the ORIGINAL Captain Marvel. really rub it in.
>>137012663
how would you rework Mr. Banjo for a modern audience, if given the chance? would you change him at all?


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>>137008097
Shazam comics are always nostalgia bait to some degree. Really they ought to just have the comic set in the pre WW2 era. It would at least be more interesting than having Billy be not-Superman and punching villains.
No modern version has ever been as interesting as the old Timely stuff.

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>>137008139
>No modern version has ever been as interesting as the old Timely stuff

Power Of Shazam! was a step in the right direction, but it kind of lost the childlike wonder that the Fawcett or early 70's DC era had and kind of just made it an escapist fantasy for adults


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are there any legal reasons they can't call him Captain Marvel? because if I was DC I would stick with the name. flaunt him as the ORIGINAL Captain Marvel. really rub it in.
>>137012663
how would you rework Mr. Banjo for a modern audience, if given the chance? would you change him at all?

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>>137012801
They can't call the book Captain Marvel because Marvel owns that trademark or something.
They can still call the character Captain Marvel tho, just not in the cover.


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are there any legal reasons they can't call him Captain Marvel? because if I was DC I would stick with the name. flaunt him as the ORIGINAL Captain Marvel. really rub it in.
>>137012663
how would you rework Mr. Banjo for a modern audience, if given the chance? would you change him at all?

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>>137012801
I wouldn't change him
He'd be a recurring side villain who shows up as comic relief during arcs


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are there any legal reasons they can't call him Captain Marvel? because if I was DC I would stick with the name. flaunt him as the ORIGINAL Captain Marvel. really rub it in.
>>137012663
how would you rework Mr. Banjo for a modern audience, if given the chance? would you change him at all?

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>>137012801
Marvel has the trademark
They can call him Captain Marvel but the problem is that any moment they infringe on the trademark there will be a lawsuit
They could play it safe in the comics for ages only for a third party company for water bottles to fuck it up which is why they renamed him Shazam


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>>137008004
Just need Billy and Mary to be twins again

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>>137008015
I sure hope Mark fixes that...


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>>137012801
I wouldn't change him
He'd be a recurring side villain who shows up as comic relief during arcs

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>>137013203
I'd do something similar. Make him a villain for the side characters like Tawny who don't have god powers, but who never faces the big man directly.


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>>137008500
yeah the second movie had him say it out loud after hinting at it with him being into a magazine with shirtless baseball players

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>>137008537
Of course you make that fat kid gay... just get rid of the Shazam Add ons pls...


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>>137012801
Marvel has the trademark
They can call him Captain Marvel but the problem is that any moment they infringe on the trademark there will be a lawsuit
They could play it safe in the comics for ages only for a third party company for water bottles to fuck it up which is why they renamed him Shazam

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>>137013232
>They can call him Captain Marvel but the problem is that any moment they infringe on the trademark there will be a lawsuit
They can just do as they always did: call him Cap Marvel in the pages but not in the titles


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>>137013232
>They can call him Captain Marvel but the problem is that any moment they infringe on the trademark there will be a lawsuit
They can just do as they always did: call him Cap Marvel in the pages but not in the titles

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>>137013719
Yeah but they want to avoid brand confusion and mitigate the risk of a potential fuck up
Again the second a licensor messes up and calls him Captain Marvel to sell merchandise, a lawsuit will be filed
And you have no idea how incompetent these people can be


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>>137013719
Yeah but they want to avoid brand confusion and mitigate the risk of a potential fuck up
Again the second a licensor messes up and calls him Captain Marvel to sell merchandise, a lawsuit will be filed
And you have no idea how incompetent these people can be

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>>137013868
the lawsuit would be filled against the licensor, so DC wouldn't really care.

Plus, I'm actually unsure they couldn't use the name on merchandise if the merch is not BRANDED with it.


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>>137013868
the lawsuit would be filled against the licensor, so DC wouldn't really care.

Plus, I'm actually unsure they couldn't use the name on merchandise if the merch is not BRANDED with it.

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>>137013904
>>137013868
Yeah it's not about the legality, just the brand. Think back to Marvel shitting on mutants in the 2010s, despite owning them for the comics, just to not let a competitor movie studio get any marketing advantage. It's the same thing. It absolutely is just down to some executive at WB going "we're not going to have a character named Captain Marvel, Marvel's out competitor!". I don't doubt Waid would absolutely change him back to Captain Marvel if he could, but there's no way the suits would let him.


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>>137013719
Yeah but they want to avoid brand confusion and mitigate the risk of a potential fuck up
Again the second a licensor messes up and calls him Captain Marvel to sell merchandise, a lawsuit will be filed
And you have no idea how incompetent these people can be

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>>137013904
>>137013868
Yeah it's not about the legality, just the brand. Think back to Marvel shitting on mutants in the 2010s, despite owning them for the comics, just to not let a competitor movie studio get any marketing advantage. It's the same thing. It absolutely is just down to some executive at WB going "we're not going to have a character named Captain Marvel, Marvel's out competitor!". I don't doubt Waid would absolutely change him back to Captain Marvel if he could, but there's no way the suits would let him.


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>>137007877
Wonder why they don't just go for Captain Thunder

Or be cheeky and call him Captain Miracle

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>>137007932
I am a supporter of Captain Thunder , seems like a better idea than The Captain or Shazam


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>>137007932
I am a supporter of Captain Thunder , seems like a better idea than The Captain or Shazam

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>>137014196
Shut up about that one already, it's too generic.


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>/co/ hates Mora now
You guys are silly.

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>>137008427
When did they change? or are people just saying he sucks because they don't like the comic?


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>>137008595
Maybe, but Billy has always had a family, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, a larger cast leads to larger appeal if you ask me, different characters can appeal to different people and that's a good thing.
>>137008596
Congrats I guess?

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>>137008625
But they're not different people every single one of them are All billy's adoptive siblings and Mary and Freddy are the only ones that matter.
Maybe had they simply been part of Billy's supporting cast and waited a little bit before reintroducing Mary and Freddy Maybe something worth a damn could've been done with them but that didn't happen is isn't gonna happen any time soon and until it does they are diversity filler characters and nothing more.
If there's a world out there where Darla is the emotional heart of the book we ain't living in it.


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>>137014196
Shut up about that one already, it's too generic.

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>>137014227
Someone explain to me why they don't just call him Captain Marvellous and side step the whole fucking branding issues altogether.


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>>137008625
But they're not different people every single one of them are All billy's adoptive siblings and Mary and Freddy are the only ones that matter.
Maybe had they simply been part of Billy's supporting cast and waited a little bit before reintroducing Mary and Freddy Maybe something worth a damn could've been done with them but that didn't happen is isn't gonna happen any time soon and until it does they are diversity filler characters and nothing more.
If there's a world out there where Darla is the emotional heart of the book we ain't living in it.

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>>137014548
>Maybe had they simply been part of Billy's supporting cast
That's exactly what they are now anon.


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>>137014227
Someone explain to me why they don't just call him Captain Marvellous and side step the whole fucking branding issues altogether.

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>>137014743
Too long.


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>>137014548
>Maybe had they simply been part of Billy's supporting cast
That's exactly what they are now anon.

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>>137014752
I mean cut the adoptive family bullshit and have them just be Billy's friends so they can have an actual relationship and dynamic with him, as it stands both they and the foster parents are utter non-characters.


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>>137014743
Too long.

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>>137014768
Alright then Capt. Marvellous.


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>>137014752
I mean cut the adoptive family bullshit and have them just be Billy's friends so they can have an actual relationship and dynamic with him, as it stands both they and the foster parents are utter non-characters.

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>>137014863
That's because Johns did nothing with them and actively kept them all from being used by any other writer, but he's gone now, and considering Waid is keeping the family setting, he could very well develop them, the book is just starting.
You also act like them being an adoptive family is a bad thing or something.


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>>137006122
I do writers really hate the idea of billy being a genuinely good person who does the right thing because he wants to, and not because he has someone telling him what to do in his head?

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>>137008087
 theres a big difference between being a good kid and being a responsible kid. Billy is a good kid to me who maybe sometimes is a little irresponsible that's the fun of the character.


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>>137006122
I do writers really hate the idea of billy being a genuinely good person who does the right thing because he wants to, and not because he has someone telling him what to do in his head?

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>>137008087
Good != Responsible


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>>137014884
unironically FreddyChads are some of the best


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>>137014884
unironically FreddyChads are some of the best

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>>137016002
>bitch literally every thread that Freddy isn't the main character
Yeah no.


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>>137008139
>No modern version has ever been as interesting as the old Timely stuff

Power Of Shazam! was a step in the right direction, but it kind of lost the childlike wonder that the Fawcett or early 70's DC era had and kind of just made it an escapist fantasy for adults

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>>137012970
the Bronze Age stuff was okay but CC Beck was right when he said that the writers made Billy way too stupid.


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>>137014196
Shut up about that one already, it's too generic.

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>>137014227
>it's too generic.
nah


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>>137006160
>Worms
Is Mr. Mind too obvious of a pick for the villain this time around?


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>>137006136
CISSIE SOMMERLY STACIES

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>>137016251
What about ManChild?


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>>137006059
Bumpin


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>>137006160
It's giving Homelander


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>>137016251
What about ManChild?

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>>137016330
That's just me.


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>>137006160
>Billy acting how Black Adam is actually supposed to act


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Shazam! $366 million
Black Adam $393 million
Shazam!2 $133 million
 Total Trilogy: $892 million

Chud-Destroying Queen of /co/ Captain Marvel:
$1,131 million

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>>137016600
I feel bad for Shazam 2


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Shazam! $366 million
Black Adam $393 million
Shazam!2 $133 million
 Total Trilogy: $892 million

Chud-Destroying Queen of /co/ Captain Marvel:
$1,131 million

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>>137016600
Based


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>>137016600
I feel bad for Shazam 2

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>>137016652
Imagine a major DC property falling well short of Morbius....It's the Catwoman of the new millenium.


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>>137016600
I feel bad for Shazam 2

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>>137016652
>When your total worldwide grosses fall well short of Black Widow or Eternals DOMESTIC take.
And then Shazamfags want to talk about Darla's "fanbase". It's apparently a dozen pedo coom-bots.


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>>137008595
Maybe, but Billy has always had a family, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, a larger cast leads to larger appeal if you ask me, different characters can appeal to different people and that's a good thing.
>>137008596
Congrats I guess?

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>>137008625
6 is just too many. 3 is a pretty healthy number because you got the main one, the side one and a girl they all fill a niche after that its just bloat. If they really want to keep them they should have their own powers and gimmicks and not just be a team of 6 super men


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>>137008625
6 is just too many. 3 is a pretty healthy number because you got the main one, the side one and a girl they all fill a niche after that its just bloat. If they really want to keep them they should have their own powers and gimmicks and not just be a team of 6 super men

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>>137016804
But the negress had "runs fast in sneakers", the Azn had electronics powers, and the Mexican was mucho bear mode strong.
They had their own distinct stereotypical as hell specialties! They needed a native one who could conjure tomahawks or a magical bow and arrow tho.


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>>137016804
But the negress had "runs fast in sneakers", the Azn had electronics powers, and the Mexican was mucho bear mode strong.
They had their own distinct stereotypical as hell specialties! They needed a native one who could conjure tomahawks or a magical bow and arrow tho.

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>>137016855
these are all jusr shazam powers but they arbitratily decided to only use one of them


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>>137016855
these are all jusr shazam powers but they arbitratily decided to only use one of them

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>>137016883
A Native one could shoot lightning arrows, (not better than just shooting lightning) and have native fringe on their costume. Sure Native Americans abandoned bows more than a century ago, but hacks gonna hack!
And Johns is nothing if not a colossal hack.


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>>137008625
6 is just too many. 3 is a pretty healthy number because you got the main one, the side one and a girl they all fill a niche after that its just bloat. If they really want to keep them they should have their own powers and gimmicks and not just be a team of 6 super men

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>>137016804
Like the other anon so eloquently said, Johns did kinda sorta give them their own powers/specialities, but once again, the problem is that he never elaborated on them.
Why does Darla default to super speed so much? Why can Eugene speak to technology? I guess we now know that Pedro turns into a bara because he's gay, but again, it's nothing that Johns ever bothered to explore or explain.
It doesn't matter anymore since they don't have powers right now, but hopefully Waid will actually explain it if/when they get powers again.
Like, maybe Darla gets blessed only by Hermes, or Eugene gets a completely original deity, who knows?


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>>137016804
Like the other anon so eloquently said, Johns did kinda sorta give them their own powers/specialities, but once again, the problem is that he never elaborated on them.
Why does Darla default to super speed so much? Why can Eugene speak to technology? I guess we now know that Pedro turns into a bara because he's gay, but again, it's nothing that Johns ever bothered to explore or explain.
It doesn't matter anymore since they don't have powers right now, but hopefully Waid will actually explain it if/when they get powers again.
Like, maybe Darla gets blessed only by Hermes, or Eugene gets a completely original deity, who knows?

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>>137016999
It's the same point as having all the Kryptonians, or worse all the Speed-forcers, or a half-dozen human Green Lanterns lounging on Earth.
The writers are both creatively bankrupt and hamstrung by edicts from management, so we just keep populating the books with more and more redundant characters in hopes one will catch fire for delicious residuals. Thus Batman's decade and a half career coincides with half a dozen boy sidekicks and 3 Batgirls, ect.


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>>137016804
Like the other anon so eloquently said, Johns did kinda sorta give them their own powers/specialities, but once again, the problem is that he never elaborated on them.
Why does Darla default to super speed so much? Why can Eugene speak to technology? I guess we now know that Pedro turns into a bara because he's gay, but again, it's nothing that Johns ever bothered to explore or explain.
It doesn't matter anymore since they don't have powers right now, but hopefully Waid will actually explain it if/when they get powers again.
Like, maybe Darla gets blessed only by Hermes, or Eugene gets a completely original deity, who knows?

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>>137016999
>>137016999
They were never characters, they were just a moviepitch.


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>>137016804
Like the other anon so eloquently said, Johns did kinda sorta give them their own powers/specialities, but once again, the problem is that he never elaborated on them.
Why does Darla default to super speed so much? Why can Eugene speak to technology? I guess we now know that Pedro turns into a bara because he's gay, but again, it's nothing that Johns ever bothered to explore or explain.
It doesn't matter anymore since they don't have powers right now, but hopefully Waid will actually explain it if/when they get powers again.
Like, maybe Darla gets blessed only by Hermes, or Eugene gets a completely original deity, who knows?

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>>137016999
>>137016999
They were never characters, they were just a moviepitch.


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>>137016999
>>137016999
They were never characters, they were just a moviepitch.

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>>137017123
I still think they should be Terry Long'd.
Sivana deserves to get actual kills in. But not shitty Johns Luthor-Sivana, fuck that garbage.


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>>137008625
6 is just too many. 3 is a pretty healthy number because you got the main one, the side one and a girl they all fill a niche after that its just bloat. If they really want to keep them they should have their own powers and gimmicks and not just be a team of 6 super men

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>>137016804
I agree that 6 is too many. Billy Batson as Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Freddy as Captain Marvel Junior is more than enough. Hope that Waid sticks with that.


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>>137016804
I agree that 6 is too many. Billy Batson as Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Freddy as Captain Marvel Junior is more than enough. Hope that Waid sticks with that.

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>>137017206
Freddy isn't Junior right now, it's just Billy and Mary, with Billy trying to find a way to share his powers again.


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>>137016999
It's the same point as having all the Kryptonians, or worse all the Speed-forcers, or a half-dozen human Green Lanterns lounging on Earth.
The writers are both creatively bankrupt and hamstrung by edicts from management, so we just keep populating the books with more and more redundant characters in hopes one will catch fire for delicious residuals. Thus Batman's decade and a half career coincides with half a dozen boy sidekicks and 3 Batgirls, ect.

[Assistant]
>>137017119
>It's the same point as having all the Kryptonians, or worse all the Speed-forcers, or a half-dozen human Green Lanterns lounging on Earth.
Characters are more than just their powers, Hal, John, Guy, Kyle, etc., despite all technically having the exact same powers, are very different characters and have their own ways of doing things, same thing applies to the Kryptonians, Speedsters, and yes, non-powered vigilantes like Batman, you can't just immediately dismiss them because of a similar powerset.
>>137017123
Oh, almost definitely lol, the movies have unironically done way more with Darla, Pedro, and Eugene than the comics, but I'd argue that's part of why they should be kept, if the movies could do something with them, it might be worth it to develop them in the comics too.


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>>137016999
>>137016999
They were never characters, they were just a moviepitch.

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>>137017119
>It's the same point as having all the Kryptonians, or worse all the Speed-forcers, or a half-dozen human Green Lanterns lounging on Earth.
Characters are more than just their powers, Hal, John, Guy, Kyle, etc., despite all technically having the exact same powers, are very different characters and have their own ways of doing things, same thing applies to the Kryptonians, Speedsters, and yes, non-powered vigilantes like Batman, you can't just immediately dismiss them because of a similar powerset.
>>137017123
Oh, almost definitely lol, the movies have unironically done way more with Darla, Pedro, and Eugene than the comics, but I'd argue that's part of why they should be kept, if the movies could do something with them, it might be worth it to develop them in the comics too.


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>>137017123
I still think they should be Terry Long'd.
Sivana deserves to get actual kills in. But not shitty Johns Luthor-Sivana, fuck that garbage.

[Assistant]
>>137017164
Sivana doesn't deserve to kill anyone because killing is bad, and the bad guys never win.


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>>137017123
I still think they should be Terry Long'd.
Sivana deserves to get actual kills in. But not shitty Johns Luthor-Sivana, fuck that garbage.

[Assistant]
>>137017164
Sivana succeeding in killing kids doesn't sit right with me
At that point it becomes a question of why does nobody outright kill him the same way escalating Batman's villains made it harder to believe they should be spared
Even Tawky Tawny would maul him to death if Sivana crossed the line


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>>137016804
Like the other anon so eloquently said, Johns did kinda sorta give them their own powers/specialities, but once again, the problem is that he never elaborated on them.
Why does Darla default to super speed so much? Why can Eugene speak to technology? I guess we now know that Pedro turns into a bara because he's gay, but again, it's nothing that Johns ever bothered to explore or explain.
It doesn't matter anymore since they don't have powers right now, but hopefully Waid will actually explain it if/when they get powers again.
Like, maybe Darla gets blessed only by Hermes, or Eugene gets a completely original deity, who knows?

[Assistant]
>>137016999
>or Eugene gets a completely original deity
Eugene gets Oggar


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>>137017123
I still think they should be Terry Long'd.
Sivana deserves to get actual kills in. But not shitty Johns Luthor-Sivana, fuck that garbage.

[Assistant]
>>137017164
>kill these children because I hate them
I thought /co/ wanted light hearted stories?


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Shazam! $366 million
Black Adam $393 million
Shazam!2 $133 million
 Total Trilogy: $892 million

Chud-Destroying Queen of /co/ Captain Marvel:
$1,131 million

[Assistant]
>>137016600
Betcha Carol's 2nd film won't even make 400 mil?


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>>137016002
>bitch literally every thread that Freddy isn't the main character
Yeah no.

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>>137016040
He should be, only gay people disagree.


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>>137016040
He should be, only gay people disagree.

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>>137017817
then it's a good thing i'm both gay and correct


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>>137007500
All those guys were considered awful.

[Assistant]
>>137007762
Respectively, I don't give a fuck what they're "considered"


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>Issue 3 won't come out until September because Knight Terrors
pain

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>>137008980
>September
Wait, August is fucked too?


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[User] Billy might need some new villains

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>>137018475
I'm tired of writers trying to set him up with serious, divine foes. If any superhero should maintain the 30s-40s style and tone, it's, well, it's Plastic Man. But besides him, it's Captain Marvel. This is a kid who says a funny word to obtain powers from legendary heroes of dubious mythological consistency. He got his powers from a wizard, he's friends with a tiger, and his greatest foe doesn't even have arms. Captain Marvel's foes can be a little out there. They can be somewhat cartoony. "Silly villains, real danger". That should be the philosophy behind his rogues.


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>>137008980
>September
Wait, August is fucked too?

[Assistant]
>>137018733
Yep, Knight Terrors is taking over for 2 whole months like Convergence and Future State.


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>>137018475
I'm tired of writers trying to set him up with serious, divine foes. If any superhero should maintain the 30s-40s style and tone, it's, well, it's Plastic Man. But besides him, it's Captain Marvel. This is a kid who says a funny word to obtain powers from legendary heroes of dubious mythological consistency. He got his powers from a wizard, he's friends with a tiger, and his greatest foe doesn't even have arms. Captain Marvel's foes can be a little out there. They can be somewhat cartoony. "Silly villains, real danger". That should be the philosophy behind his rogues.

[Assistant]
>>137018948
Yes but Disappoint Gods is MOVIE SYNERGY!
This plays into the success of Shazamwow! 2: No One Asked for This.
(It will probably cancel around issue 10)


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>>137018948
Yes but Disappoint Gods is MOVIE SYNERGY!
This plays into the success of Shazamwow! 2: No One Asked for This.
(It will probably cancel around issue 10)

[Assistant]
>>137019197
more like Fury of the Fans amirite?


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>>137019197
more like Fury of the Fans amirite?

[Assistant]
>>137019237
The fanbase isn't large enough to make it a successful franchise, but they are loud enough to turn everyone away from it.


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Teasing Mr. Mind in the postcredits and delivering what they did is like teasing Joker and delivering Tweedle Dee and Dum in the sequel.
I mean, it was never going to break 400 million in any case, but it wouldn't have TOTALLY cratered.

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>>137019254
Shut the fuck up about the movies already.


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>>137019254
Shut the fuck up about the movies already.

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>>137019284
Hmmm. Let me see...no.


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Teasing Mr. Mind in the postcredits and delivering what they did is like teasing Joker and delivering Tweedle Dee and Dum in the sequel.
I mean, it was never going to break 400 million in any case, but it wouldn't have TOTALLY cratered.

[Assistant]
>>137019254
You've got it backwards. Shazam 2 was like teasing Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and delivering Joker.


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>>137019254
You've got it backwards. Shazam 2 was like teasing Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and delivering Joker.

[Assistant]
>>137019398
How?


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>>137018733
Yep, Knight Terrors is taking over for 2 whole months like Convergence and Future State.

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>>137019194
>Putting most of your ongoings on pause for two months
WHAT
WERE
THEY
THINKING


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>>137019194
>Putting most of your ongoings on pause for two months
WHAT
WERE
THEY
THINKING

[Assistant]
>>137019748
HALLOWEEN IN JULY


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>>137019194
>Putting most of your ongoings on pause for two months
WHAT
WERE
THEY
THINKING

[Assistant]
>>137019748
>How can we destroy our bussiness again?


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>>137019398
How?

[Assistant]
>>137019726
setting up something relatively obscure that had never before been on the big screen and then not doing that


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>>137008355
>just kill off characters I don't like
For better or for worse, the diversity kids, or at least just Darla, have an audience and it's worth keeping them around I think.

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>>137008388
>or at least just Darla, have an audience and it's worth keeping them around I think.
kill them all


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>>137008355
>just kill off characters I don't like
For better or for worse, the diversity kids, or at least just Darla, have an audience and it's worth keeping them around I think.

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>>137008388
>or at least just Darla, have an audience and it's worth keeping them around I think.
Not according to the last movies box office numbers


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>>137008388
>or at least just Darla, have an audience and it's worth keeping them around I think.
kill them all

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>>137019848
Child murder seems a bit too edgy for this type of book if you ask me.
>>137019855
Those who didn't watch the movies are specifically not part of the audience anon.


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>>137008388
>or at least just Darla, have an audience and it's worth keeping them around I think.
Not according to the last movies box office numbers

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>>137019848
Child murder seems a bit too edgy for this type of book if you ask me.
>>137019855
Those who didn't watch the movies are specifically not part of the audience anon.


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>>137006136
...a patreon-podcast is a GREAT idea to modernize Billy as kid-anchorman narrating the adventures of Captain Marvel.

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>>137006294
pretty damn good desu


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>>137006160
This was the incredible never before seen cliffhanger? Man, comics are so garbage, the whole industry deserves to burn when this hackery is revered.

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>>137006835
>captain Marvel Cliffhangers
pure fucking kino


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>>137006795
I know 4chan is full of contrarians but I'll admit the dan mora hating has been the most confusing contrarianism I've seen in years

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>>137007354
it's because people like him so it's important for us to vocalize that we dislike him


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>>137006055 (OP)
>300 posts
>Shazam
Aw fuck, that bad?

[Assistant]
>>137020669
It's just the usual complaints about everything being ruined forever.


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Shazam! $366 million
Black Adam $393 million
Shazam!2 $133 million
 Total Trilogy: $892 million

Chud-Destroying Queen of /co/ Captain Marvel:
$1,131 million

[Assistant]
>>137016600
gonna be so fucking good when Carol's second movie is a complete flop
or did that come out already?


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>>137016600
gonna be so fucking good when Carol's second movie is a complete flop
or did that come out already?

[Assistant]
>>137020816
She's going to make another Briellion and there's NOTHING you can do to stop it


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>>137020816
She's going to make another Briellion and there's NOTHING you can do to stop it

[Assistant] >>137020926


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>>137006055 (OP)
>300 posts
>Shazam
Aw fuck, that bad?

[Assistant]
>>137020669
About 200 of those are "not muh"


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>>137021151
this is the only thing that could make /co/ like Captain Carol

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>>137021253
Carol is the queen of /co/ already.
Anyway hope you like your book Billyfriends! Or if you don't hope somebody else gets one soon?


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[User] I saw some concept art from a warner bros employee that suggests they're making a cartoon based off the movie characters. I won't post it because I don't want to get the artist in trouble but it exists

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>>137021209
>a cartoon based off the movie characters
Anon, the characters from the movie were mostly all ripped from the comics, except for the villains in the second movie.


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>>137021253
Carol is the queen of /co/ already.
Anyway hope you like your book Billyfriends! Or if you don't hope somebody else gets one soon?

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>>137021264
plz restrain your cope to your weekly containment threads


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>>137021253
Carol is the queen of /co/ already.
Anyway hope you like your book Billyfriends! Or if you don't hope somebody else gets one soon?

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>>137021264
I for one enjoyed the first issue, it brought back a lot of Classic elements and whimsy that had been missing from Johns' version of the character, Waid is definitely an improvement, and I'm hopeful for the future issues.
It just fucking sucks that we're gonna have to wait until September because of Knight Terrors.


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[User] So how does Mary still have powers?

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>>137021326
Because of Lazarus Planet: Revenge of the Gods
Basically she was such a strong and heckin' valid woman by helping in the fight, the Goddesses decided to give her powers of her own so she won't have to share with Billy, her new Pantheon is:
>The Agility of Selene
>The Strength of Hippolyta
>The Stamina of Artemis
>The Flight of Zephyrus
>The Invulnerability of Aurora
>The Wisdom of Minerva
That's how she gets to have powers while the others don't, they also aren't shareable anymore after Lazarus Planet, so that's why Freddy and the others are left unpowered, for now at least.


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>>137021326
Because of Lazarus Planet: Revenge of the Gods
Basically she was such a strong and heckin' valid woman by helping in the fight, the Goddesses decided to give her powers of her own so she won't have to share with Billy, her new Pantheon is:
>The Agility of Selene
>The Strength of Hippolyta
>The Stamina of Artemis
>The Flight of Zephyrus
>The Invulnerability of Aurora
>The Wisdom of Minerva
That's how she gets to have powers while the others don't, they also aren't shareable anymore after Lazarus Planet, so that's why Freddy and the others are left unpowered, for now at least.

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>>137021442
So basically like her original pantheon


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>>137021264
I for one enjoyed the first issue, it brought back a lot of Classic elements and whimsy that had been missing from Johns' version of the character, Waid is definitely an improvement, and I'm hopeful for the future issues.
It just fucking sucks that we're gonna have to wait until September because of Knight Terrors.

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>>137021341
>It just fucking sucks that we're gonna have to wait until September because of Knight Terrors.
DC does full hiatuses of their ongoings for events?


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>>137021442
So basically like her original pantheon

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>>137021481
Close, they completely ditched Ariadne, and changed some of the traits, like instead of getting Aurora's Beauty, she now gets Invincibility, which is honestly way better, Mary is already naturally pretty, she doesn't need magic for that.
>>137021554
I believe the only other times they've done it was for Convergence and Future State, when they were changing offices.


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>>137021341
>It just fucking sucks that we're gonna have to wait until September because of Knight Terrors.
DC does full hiatuses of their ongoings for events?

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>>137021481
Close, they completely ditched Ariadne, and changed some of the traits, like instead of getting Aurora's Beauty, she now gets Invincibility, which is honestly way better, Mary is already naturally pretty, she doesn't need magic for that.
>>137021554
I believe the only other times they've done it was for Convergence and Future State, when they were changing offices.


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>>137021326
Because of Lazarus Planet: Revenge of the Gods
Basically she was such a strong and heckin' valid woman by helping in the fight, the Goddesses decided to give her powers of her own so she won't have to share with Billy, her new Pantheon is:
>The Agility of Selene
>The Strength of Hippolyta
>The Stamina of Artemis
>The Flight of Zephyrus
>The Invulnerability of Aurora
>The Wisdom of Minerva
That's how she gets to have powers while the others don't, they also aren't shareable anymore after Lazarus Planet, so that's why Freddy and the others are left unpowered, for now at least.

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>>137021442
>The Strength of Hippolyta
I didn't think she was a goddess


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>>137021442
>The Strength of Hippolyta
I didn't think she was a goddess

[Assistant]
>>137021659
She's a Demigod or something, that's close enough, right?


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>>137021659
She's a Demigod or something, that's close enough, right?

[Assistant]
>>137021687
Daughter of Ares, or is that not a thing in DC?


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>>137021151
The Big Red Cheesecake.

[Assistant] >>137021280


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>>137021659
She's a Demigod or something, that's close enough, right?

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>>137021687
I guess man, Hercules is a demigod I think


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>>137021687
Daughter of Ares, or is that not a thing in DC?

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>>137021771
Was a thing Pre-Flashpoint, I don't think it's the case nowadays anymore, but she's still an Amazon and Wonder Woman's mommy after all, so if Diana is a Demigod, Hippolyta probably is too.
>>137021805
I believe Hercules actually ascends to Godhood after his death, as the God of strength and heroes.


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>>137021687
I guess man, Hercules is a demigod I think

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>>137021771
Was a thing Pre-Flashpoint, I don't think it's the case nowadays anymore, but she's still an Amazon and Wonder Woman's mommy after all, so if Diana is a Demigod, Hippolyta probably is too.
>>137021805
I believe Hercules actually ascends to Godhood after his death, as the God of strength and heroes.


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>>137006160
This is the courage of Achilles out of whack, Billy’s pantheon sending a message that they’re unhappy

[Assistant]
>>137006881
I blame Zeus.


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>>137021442
>The Strength of Hippolyta
I didn't think she was a goddess

[Assistant]
>>137021659
>>137021687
Bruh, Achilles and Solomon aren't gods


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>>137021659
She's a Demigod or something, that's close enough, right?

[Assistant]
>>137021659
>>137021687
Bruh, Achilles and Solomon aren't gods


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>>137021659
>>137021687
Bruh, Achilles and Solomon aren't gods

[Assistant]
>>137022830
Yeah, it's always been gods and heroes, not just gods.


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>>137006102
they said mary would never go back to being mary marvel, they used to say freddy would stay blonde and billy would never get his classic suit back look at me now

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>>137009908
Where did they start calling her Mary Marvel again?


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>>137011183
>, so maybe Waid wants to think of new names before he makes them heroes again.
No, they will get rid of them, they will get to have their own peaceful lives and cameo in the series. Fuck you with your "hopefully" bullshit, Captan Marvel is back and doesnt need the garbage Johns crafted solely for the movie pitch.

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>>137011255
Waid has already said they’ll come back with powers eventually.


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[User] Why is Waids batting average so much higher at DC than Marvel?

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>>137023738
he likes the characters more?


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Teasing Mr. Mind in the postcredits and delivering what they did is like teasing Joker and delivering Tweedle Dee and Dum in the sequel.
I mean, it was never going to break 400 million in any case, but it wouldn't have TOTALLY cratered.

[Assistant]
>>137019254
Mr mind should have been involved in black adam, just like he did in the comic the movie adapted.


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>>137020669
About 200 of those are "not muh"

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>>137020974
>>137020669
You are both fucking retarded, almost everyone is happy and optimistic, only shitting in this thread is against Geoff Johns


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>>137006055 (OP)
>300 posts
>Shazam
Aw fuck, that bad?

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>>137020974
>>137020669
You are both fucking retarded, almost everyone is happy and optimistic, only shitting in this thread is against Geoff Johns


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>>137011255
Waid has already said they’ll come back with powers eventually.

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>>137023571
>Waid has already said they’ll come back with powers eventually.
Yes, when the movie that featured them was coming out, now that flopped, the Shazam movies are dead and there's no pressure for them to comeback beyond being diversity hires, and they can play that role as background characters, Waid has no reason to care about them anymore, as long as they dont get killed nobody will complain, be realistic, they are not popular, the tiny captain marvel fanbase hates them, have next to zero character development and Waid has no emotional or nostalgic attachment to them


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>>137023571
>Waid has already said they’ll come back with powers eventually.
Yes, when the movie that featured them was coming out, now that flopped, the Shazam movies are dead and there's no pressure for them to comeback beyond being diversity hires, and they can play that role as background characters, Waid has no reason to care about them anymore, as long as they dont get killed nobody will complain, be realistic, they are not popular, the tiny captain marvel fanbase hates them, have next to zero character development and Waid has no emotional or nostalgic attachment to them

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>>137025199
>>137023571
I just hope he uses them as the modern lieutenants. No need for them to be able to control the power but cap should be able to share it.


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>>137011255
Waid has already said they’ll come back with powers eventually.

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>>137025199
>>137023571
I just hope he uses them as the modern lieutenants. No need for them to be able to control the power but cap should be able to share it.


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[User] I’m actually fine with it just being Billy and Mary. Other kids are inoffensive but lacking in long term appeal. Also wild thought: why not make Freddy a villain?

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>>137025321
>why not make Freddy a villain?
Because he's a hero stupid.


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>>137023571
>Waid has already said they’ll come back with powers eventually.
Yes, when the movie that featured them was coming out, now that flopped, the Shazam movies are dead and there's no pressure for them to comeback beyond being diversity hires, and they can play that role as background characters, Waid has no reason to care about them anymore, as long as they dont get killed nobody will complain, be realistic, they are not popular, the tiny captain marvel fanbase hates them, have next to zero character development and Waid has no emotional or nostalgic attachment to them

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>>137025199
Sounds to me like you're projecting your feelings about the characters on Waid lmao


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>>137025321
>why not make Freddy a villain?
Because he's a hero stupid.

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>>137025369
At the very least an antagonist that comes back around later like a Jason Todd situation (though not as edgy). Think about it: Freddy’s frustrated, his body fails him, he got a taste of power and May start resenting Billy for not doing enough to get his powers back. He’s a kid, he’s allowed to feel that way. At the very least it’s an excuse to explore a new power set


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>>137025369
At the very least an antagonist that comes back around later like a Jason Todd situation (though not as edgy). Think about it: Freddy’s frustrated, his body fails him, he got a taste of power and May start resenting Billy for not doing enough to get his powers back. He’s a kid, he’s allowed to feel that way. At the very least it’s an excuse to explore a new power set

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>>137025389
That'd be out of character for Freddy, no one should turn evil.


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[User] What if the remaining Shazamily just fuse together into one hero like Flashpoints Captain Thunder?

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>>137025409
That'd be weird, I think most of their fans would prefer if they could all be heroes as separate characters.


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>>137025389
That'd be out of character for Freddy, no one should turn evil.

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>>137025413
I said antagonist, not evil


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>>137025409
That'd be weird, I think most of their fans would prefer if they could all be heroes as separate characters.

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>>137025423
Why would it be weird? There are New Gods who do that. Plus as of right now those 3 are basically non entities with no real huge following or draw. People would rather just read Billy or Mary. Heck I could even leave Freddy if we’re being honest


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>>137021264
I for one enjoyed the first issue, it brought back a lot of Classic elements and whimsy that had been missing from Johns' version of the character, Waid is definitely an improvement, and I'm hopeful for the future issues.
It just fucking sucks that we're gonna have to wait until September because of Knight Terrors.

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>>137021341
>the whimsy is back!
Eat shit


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>>137025199
Sounds to me like you're projecting your feelings about the characters on Waid lmao

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>>137025377
Yes. Im projecting that a 60 years old Mark Waid doesnt have nostalgia over characters introduced in 2013... You are retarded.


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>>137025413
I said antagonist, not evil

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>>137025428
Okay, none of them should turn into antagonists.


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[User] What if the remaining Shazamily just fuse together into one hero like Flashpoints Captain Thunder?

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>>137025409
Could work.


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>>137025428
Okay, none of them should turn into antagonists.

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>>137025494
Because god forbid we have character conflict or Freddy acting like a kid in his situation might be


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>>137025423
Why would it be weird? There are New Gods who do that. Plus as of right now those 3 are basically non entities with no real huge following or draw. People would rather just read Billy or Mary. Heck I could even leave Freddy if we’re being honest

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>>137025448
>Plus as of right now those 3 are basically non entities with no real huge following or draw.
Which is exactly why they would most likely try to develop them rather than just ditch the 3 new characters and merge them into 1, you may not like them, but they do have some fans, and they could have more if handled better.


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>>137025494
Because god forbid we have character conflict or Freddy acting like a kid in his situation might be

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>>137025517
Yes, we already have Black Adam and other actual antagonists, they should also bring back Osiris if we want a young villain.


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>>137021659
>>137021687
Bruh, Achilles and Solomon aren't gods

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>>137022830
>>137023402
Damn, you right my bad senpai


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>>137022830
Yeah, it's always been gods and heroes, not just gods.

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>>137022830
>>137023402
Damn, you right my bad senpai


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>>137025377
Yes. Im projecting that a 60 years old Mark Waid doesnt have nostalgia over characters introduced in 2013... You are retarded.

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>>137025488
Yes, because you're acting like you know exactly how Waid feels, he is likelier to make them fit into his own view of the franchise rather than just ignore them because they're not the characters he grew up with, he's not like you.


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>>137025377
Yes. Im projecting that a 60 years old Mark Waid doesnt have nostalgia over characters introduced in 2013... You are retarded.

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>>137025488
Not that anon but you are definitely projecting your animosity towards the Shazamily Kids on him.
And can I just say, you are in the minority opinion here about the kids. Most people at the very most would view them as obvious maximum appeal to kids which is inoffensive considering it's an IP aiming to be kid friendly


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>>137025448
>Plus as of right now those 3 are basically non entities with no real huge following or draw.
Which is exactly why they would most likely try to develop them rather than just ditch the 3 new characters and merge them into 1, you may not like them, but they do have some fans, and they could have more if handled better.

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>>137025523
I’m not saying they’re unsalvageable, I’m giving them a new gimmick. Why have 3 more heroes with the exact same power set? The merging thing is not only cool, but provides character conflict and already has a precedent. It’s like how Firestorm has internal squabbles, only now it’s 3 kids helming a magical being learning to work together. Darci is kindness while Pedro embraces the boastful courage. See what I mean?


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>>137025517
Yes, we already have Black Adam and other actual antagonists, they should also bring back Osiris if we want a young villain.

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>>137025539
There’s a big difference between Black Fucking Adam and Freddy butting heads with Billy. And again, we could possibly explore new powers with Freddy


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>>137025523
I’m not saying they’re unsalvageable, I’m giving them a new gimmick. Why have 3 more heroes with the exact same power set? The merging thing is not only cool, but provides character conflict and already has a precedent. It’s like how Firestorm has internal squabbles, only now it’s 3 kids helming a magical being learning to work together. Darci is kindness while Pedro embraces the boastful courage. See what I mean?

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>>137025576
>Why have 3 more heroes with the exact same power set?
They don't have to have the same power set, even before this, Johns played with the idea of the kids having their own speciality, like Darla mainly using speed or Eugene talking to technology, he just never expanded on that, if we're lucky, Waid will handle it better.
>The merging thing is not only cool
Eh, I don't think it's that cool, you ask me, it takes agency away from at least 2 of the kids at best, or just turns them into 1 completely new character at worst, and that doesn't really sound good to me.
>It’s like how Firestorm has internal squabbles, only now it’s 3 kids helming a magical being learning to work together.
Works for Firestorm because that's their whole deal, but I think it'd be better if the kids could actually stay as their own separate persons.


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>>137025488
Not that anon but you are definitely projecting your animosity towards the Shazamily Kids on him.
And can I just say, you are in the minority opinion here about the kids. Most people at the very most would view them as obvious maximum appeal to kids which is inoffensive considering it's an IP aiming to be kid friendly

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>>137025575
>you are in the minority opinion
Sorry Johnsfag, but clearly I'm not.
>ost people at the very most would view them as obvious maximum appeal to kids
Bullshit. The diversity kids were created to appeal to Hollywood executives, they were check boxes, not characters, kids dont care about them.


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>>137025539
There’s a big difference between Black Fucking Adam and Freddy butting heads with Billy. And again, we could possibly explore new powers with Freddy

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>>137025592
I just don't want more hero vs hero stories, Freddy is a good kid, he wouldn't resent Billy or the fact that he's a cripple.
Also, Freddy can get new powers if he stays good too, no need to make up a conflict with Billy for that.


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>>137025576
>Why have 3 more heroes with the exact same power set?
They don't have to have the same power set, even before this, Johns played with the idea of the kids having their own speciality, like Darla mainly using speed or Eugene talking to technology, he just never expanded on that, if we're lucky, Waid will handle it better.
>The merging thing is not only cool
Eh, I don't think it's that cool, you ask me, it takes agency away from at least 2 of the kids at best, or just turns them into 1 completely new character at worst, and that doesn't really sound good to me.
>It’s like how Firestorm has internal squabbles, only now it’s 3 kids helming a magical being learning to work together.
Works for Firestorm because that's their whole deal, but I think it'd be better if the kids could actually stay as their own separate persons.

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>>137025633
But that’s just watering down what Billy already does. Id rather explore a previous idea already touched on and the magical mishaps you can write around that. Like what if this hero “vessel” changed colors to do those specialties you described? Turn purple, Darla is at the wheel speeding around. Being turns green, it’s Pedro lifting a bus.


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>>137025488
Not that anon but you are definitely projecting your animosity towards the Shazamily Kids on him.
And can I just say, you are in the minority opinion here about the kids. Most people at the very most would view them as obvious maximum appeal to kids which is inoffensive considering it's an IP aiming to be kid friendly

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>>137025575
It's honestly kinda funny to me how much the diversity kids make some seethe, I wonder if they'd be this upset if Mary and Freddy were new characters too.


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>>137025592
I just don't want more hero vs hero stories, Freddy is a good kid, he wouldn't resent Billy or the fact that he's a cripple.
Also, Freddy can get new powers if he stays good too, no need to make up a conflict with Billy for that.

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>>137025664
I disagree, and I think you’re letting outside factors sway you on good storytelling right on the table


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>>137025575
>you are in the minority opinion
Sorry Johnsfag, but clearly I'm not.
>ost people at the very most would view them as obvious maximum appeal to kids
Bullshit. The diversity kids were created to appeal to Hollywood executives, they were check boxes, not characters, kids dont care about them.

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>>137025639
>kids dont care about them.
And you would know because you're an expert on kids I guess?


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>>137025575
It's honestly kinda funny to me how much the diversity kids make some seethe, I wonder if they'd be this upset if Mary and Freddy were new characters too.

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>>137025688
New chiming in on the conversation here, I really REALLY don’t get the appeal of Freddy. It feels like this common fandom thing where seniority suddenly makes an idea somehow good by default


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>>137025575
It's honestly kinda funny to me how much the diversity kids make some seethe, I wonder if they'd be this upset if Mary and Freddy were new characters too.

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>>137025688
If Freddy was new they would be constantly saying how he's gonna be Billy's boyfriend.


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>>137025633
But that’s just watering down what Billy already does. Id rather explore a previous idea already touched on and the magical mishaps you can write around that. Like what if this hero “vessel” changed colors to do those specialties you described? Turn purple, Darla is at the wheel speeding around. Being turns green, it’s Pedro lifting a bus.

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>>137025678
Sorry but I'd rather just actually have them be their own separate heroes, not some amalgam.
Also, it'd be kinda weird that the three non-white kids fuse into 1 hero while the white ones don't lmao, I feel like people would call that racist, it would also probably be wise to let them stay separate to avoid that.


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>>137025664
I disagree, and I think you’re letting outside factors sway you on good storytelling right on the table

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>>137025699
Well, agree to disagree, I don't think what you said makes sense for Freddy's character, not right now at least since they've already established he's not upset with Billy about losing his powers.


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>>137025678
Sorry but I'd rather just actually have them be their own separate heroes, not some amalgam.
Also, it'd be kinda weird that the three non-white kids fuse into 1 hero while the white ones don't lmao, I feel like people would call that racist, it would also probably be wise to let them stay separate to avoid that.

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>>137025737
But they’re redundant and suck as they are now.
>Racist
See when your mind goes straight to that, one could assume you yourself are racist.


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>>137025575
>you are in the minority opinion
Sorry Johnsfag, but clearly I'm not.
>ost people at the very most would view them as obvious maximum appeal to kids
Bullshit. The diversity kids were created to appeal to Hollywood executives, they were check boxes, not characters, kids dont care about them.

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>>137025639
Why wouldn't kids care about them though? Don't project your weird contrarian ideas onto kids bro because that's basically a type of grooming.


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>>137025575
It's honestly kinda funny to me how much the diversity kids make some seethe, I wonder if they'd be this upset if Mary and Freddy were new characters too.

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>>137025688
That’s not analogous at all. Mary and Freddy have existed since before you grandparents were born.


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[User] Why is Waids batting average so much higher at DC than Marvel?

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>>137023738
Waid is a 60 year old man, him writing generic teenagers doesn't work. His non-teen stuff at marvel wasn't nearly as bad as his Champions and Avengers run. His Damian is better than his marvel teenagers because Damian doesn't act like a generic teenage hero, and his teenaged Dick Grayson in World's Finest is good because it's just a more modern 60s/70s Dick Grayson.

We'll see if Waid is still cringe at writing teens in his Teen Titans mini. And even then I can kind of give him leeway considering the 60s/70s Titans were painful to read due to the awful slang of the time so really he would just be continuing tradition.


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[User] What if the remaining Shazamily just fuse together into one hero like Flashpoints Captain Thunder?

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>>137025409
You mean like the forever people, which that was a reference to


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>>137025688
That’s not analogous at all. Mary and Freddy have existed since before you grandparents were born.

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>>137025795
I know, it's a hypothetical question genius, they have seniority, I'm wondering if you guys would also dislike them if they didn't.


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>>137025688
That’s not analogous at all. Mary and Freddy have existed since before you grandparents were born.

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>>137025795
I don't know how you think that matters to today's audience.


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>>137025409
You mean like the forever people, which that was a reference to

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>>137025810
Yeah them, they form Infinity Man. Couldn’t think of the name, thank you. So why can’t we just have a magic infinity man situation with the remaining 3?


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>>137025737
But they’re redundant and suck as they are now.
>Racist
See when your mind goes straight to that, one could assume you yourself are racist.

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>>137025781
>But they’re redundant and suck as they are now.
Then it's Waid's job to fix that, my hope is that they get their own blessings separate from Billy and Mary, like maybe Darla only gets blessed by Hermes or something.
>See when your mind goes straight to that, one could assume you yourself are racist.
Well, who said I wasn't racist? My point is that grouping the three non-white characters and effectively turning them all into 1 character kinda loooks like they’re trying to downplay them, so yeah, that can be seen as racist, and if I were DC, I would try to avoid that.


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>>137025737
But they’re redundant and suck as they are now.
>Racist
See when your mind goes straight to that, one could assume you yourself are racist.

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>>137025781
They're not redundant at all though because each of them fills a different role.
Like a story about Darla wouldn't be interchangeable as a story about Pedro because those are different characters.


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>>137025810
Yeah them, they form Infinity Man. Couldn’t think of the name, thank you. So why can’t we just have a magic infinity man situation with the remaining 3?

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>>137025842
Well technically they don't form infinity man as so much let infinity man swap spaces from a null like dimension.


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>>137025639
>kids dont care about them.
And you would know because you're an expert on kids I guess?

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>>137025700
>And you would know because you're an expert on kids I guess?
I would know because the movies flopped and there's ZERO demand for merch, the characters fail to become popular. You are delusional, Geoff Johns Shazam comics did ok with Geoff Johns fans, the series wasnt a big hit.
>>137025790
How well did the diversity kids toys sell?


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>>137025639
Why wouldn't kids care about them though? Don't project your weird contrarian ideas onto kids bro because that's basically a type of grooming.

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>>137025700
>And you would know because you're an expert on kids I guess?
I would know because the movies flopped and there's ZERO demand for merch, the characters fail to become popular. You are delusional, Geoff Johns Shazam comics did ok with Geoff Johns fans, the series wasnt a big hit.
>>137025790
How well did the diversity kids toys sell?


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>>137025575
It's honestly kinda funny to me how much the diversity kids make some seethe, I wonder if they'd be this upset if Mary and Freddy were new characters too.

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>>137025688
They'd think Freddy is there to turn Billy gay and that Mary is feminist propaganda


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>>137025781
They're not redundant at all though because each of them fills a different role.
Like a story about Darla wouldn't be interchangeable as a story about Pedro because those are different characters.

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>>137025864
>Like a story about Darla wouldn't be interchangeable as a story about Pedro because those are different characters.
Neither of them have any personality beyond being gay or black


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>>137025864
>Like a story about Darla wouldn't be interchangeable as a story about Pedro because those are different characters.
Neither of them have any personality beyond being gay or black

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>>137025905
That is not completely true, at least for Darla, she's the pure innocent girl right now since Mary isn't, she's definitely different from Pedro.


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>>137025864
>Like a story about Darla wouldn't be interchangeable as a story about Pedro because those are different characters.
Neither of them have any personality beyond being gay or black

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>>137025905
See that's you being disingenuous because Pedro is shy while Darla is excitable.
If you can't admit that then you're a liar.


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>>137025781
They're not redundant at all though because each of them fills a different role.
Like a story about Darla wouldn't be interchangeable as a story about Pedro because those are different characters.

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>>137025864
How are they not fucking redundant, anon? Piece mealing Billy’s powers isn’t interesting, and the specialty thing isn’t even a focal point since they default to just normal Captain Marvel stuff
>>137025881
Right which in some incarnations of Captain Marvel Billy swapped places with a being


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>>137025842
Well technically they don't form infinity man as so much let infinity man swap spaces from a null like dimension.

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>>137025864
How are they not fucking redundant, anon? Piece mealing Billy’s powers isn’t interesting, and the specialty thing isn’t even a focal point since they default to just normal Captain Marvel stuff
>>137025881
Right which in some incarnations of Captain Marvel Billy swapped places with a being


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>>137025700
>And you would know because you're an expert on kids I guess?
I would know because the movies flopped and there's ZERO demand for merch, the characters fail to become popular. You are delusional, Geoff Johns Shazam comics did ok with Geoff Johns fans, the series wasnt a big hit.
>>137025790
How well did the diversity kids toys sell?

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>>137025887
I'm not talking about movie or merch sales anon, I'm talking about the actual characters and how they do have their fans, even if they're not many, they have resonated with some people.
I also think you're letting your opinion on them affect your judgement.


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>>137025864
How are they not fucking redundant, anon? Piece mealing Billy’s powers isn’t interesting, and the specialty thing isn’t even a focal point since they default to just normal Captain Marvel stuff
>>137025881
Right which in some incarnations of Captain Marvel Billy swapped places with a being

[Assistant]
>>137025940
This may surprise you anon, but characters are more than just their powers.


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[User]
>>137025864
How are they not fucking redundant, anon? Piece mealing Billy’s powers isn’t interesting, and the specialty thing isn’t even a focal point since they default to just normal Captain Marvel stuff
>>137025881
Right which in some incarnations of Captain Marvel Billy swapped places with a being

[Assistant]
>>137025940
A better question is how they are redundant?


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[User] I love how people are refuting the new additions are unique and memorable when not ONE person has mentioned the Asian kid by name

[Assistant]
>>137025964
Eugene, there happy?


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[User] What is with the Dan Mora hate, exactly? Is it something to do with the art itself. Or is it something to do with his personal political leanings?

[Assistant]
>>137019313
He is popular so he gets hate. I do think his art in world finest looks very rushed tho


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[User] I love how people are refuting the new additions are unique and memorable when not ONE person has mentioned the Asian kid by name

[Assistant]
>>137025964
I have mentioned Eugene multiple times lol
I'm not gonna pretend like Johns made them super deep and complex character, but he did at least give them some superficial traits that can be expanded upon.


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[User]
>>137025940
This may surprise you anon, but characters are more than just their powers.

[Assistant]
>>137025971
I never said they didn’t have personalities, that’s not what we’re discussing. I’m calling their hero gimmicks redundant.
>>137025977
Because they do everything Billy and Mary already do, but just wear different colors


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[User]
>>137025940
A better question is how they are redundant?

[Assistant]
>>137025971
I never said they didn’t have personalities, that’s not what we’re discussing. I’m calling their hero gimmicks redundant.
>>137025977
Because they do everything Billy and Mary already do, but just wear different colors


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>137025864
How are they not fucking redundant, anon? Piece mealing Billy’s powers isn’t interesting, and the specialty thing isn’t even a focal point since they default to just normal Captain Marvel stuff
>>137025881
Right which in some incarnations of Captain Marvel Billy swapped places with a being

[Assistant]
>>137025940
Do you not understand how you're also arguing that Freddy and Mary are redundant?


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[User]
>>137025971
I never said they didn’t have personalities, that’s not what we’re discussing. I’m calling their hero gimmicks redundant.
>>137025977
Because they do everything Billy and Mary already do, but just wear different colors

[Assistant]
>>137025999
You just called them redundant in general, and we said their personalities are what make them not redundant.
You might as well say all GLs are redundant.


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[User]
>>137025940
Do you not understand how you're also arguing that Freddy and Mary are redundant?

[Assistant]
>>137026006
Mary is the original female variant, she’s fine. I could toss Freddy honestly unless he gets a new gimmick. Keep in mind I’m not asking Darla, Pedro, and Eugene erased entirely, just finding new powers/gimmicks to stand out


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[User]
>>137026006
Mary is the original female variant, she’s fine. I could toss Freddy honestly unless he gets a new gimmick. Keep in mind I’m not asking Darla, Pedro, and Eugene erased entirely, just finding new powers/gimmicks to stand out

[Assistant]
>>137026033
>I’m not asking Darla, Pedro, and Eugene erased entirely, just finding new powers/gimmicks to stand out
Well, we both agree on that!


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[User]
>>137026006
Mary is the original female variant, she’s fine. I could toss Freddy honestly unless he gets a new gimmick. Keep in mind I’m not asking Darla, Pedro, and Eugene erased entirely, just finding new powers/gimmicks to stand out

[Assistant]
>>137026033
Well they can have a new gimmick without needing to sacrifice their individual characters so this merging to form a superbeing wouldn't be the way I go.


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[User]
>>137025999
You just called them redundant in general, and we said their personalities are what make them not redundant.
You might as well say all GLs are redundant.

[Assistant]
>>137026018
>We said their personalities
Which is you trying to shift the conversation
>Green Lanterns
A false equivalency and you know it. But let’s pretend it’s the same situation (which it isn’t), at least Green Lanterns have personalized flair represented in their powers. Darla, Pedro, and Eugene don’t. Doing one of the Shazam powers, and not even shown to do them exceptionally well by comparison, is not interesting


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[User]
>>137009908
Where did they start calling her Mary Marvel again?

[Assistant]
>>137023556
In the backup of Wonder Woman #798.


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[User]
>>137026033
>I’m not asking Darla, Pedro, and Eugene erased entirely, just finding new powers/gimmicks to stand out
Well, we both agree on that!

[Assistant]
>>137026063
>>137026064
The fusion/champion swap thing is not only a precedent, but also requires teamwork and streamlined the whole thing. It’s just way easier than just working THREE characters and hoping something sticks


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[User]
>>137026033
Well they can have a new gimmick without needing to sacrifice their individual characters so this merging to form a superbeing wouldn't be the way I go.

[Assistant]
>>137026063
>>137026064
The fusion/champion swap thing is not only a precedent, but also requires teamwork and streamlined the whole thing. It’s just way easier than just working THREE characters and hoping something sticks


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[User]
>>137026063
>>137026064
The fusion/champion swap thing is not only a precedent, but also requires teamwork and streamlined the whole thing. It’s just way easier than just working THREE characters and hoping something sticks

[Assistant]
>>137026098
Well, who said we had to take the easy way?