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>>136897352
Co doesn’t read comics

It just hates people based on how woke they are perceived to be

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>>136901244
king was in the cia and morrison's always been an outspoken progressive, so idk if co is really hating on how woke something is perceived as in this case.

i think king is kind of like gunn in that he's known for doing one type of story (mister miracle, the human target, and now danger street have a similar feel to them), and people are worried that nihilism will rub off on what is supposed to be an earnest superman movie.


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>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”

>“It’s easier to take a character nobody knows, like the Guardians, or Peacemaker, and then do whatever you want with them,” says Gunn. “People in every single country in the world know the story of Superman.” It’s one reason he turned down a Superman film in 2018 — he didn’t have a take. Now, he says he does.

>“How can I make it different from the Superman movies that have been made so far, but also have it respect all the Superman movies that have been made so far?” he asks. “So it just took me some time to try to figure it out.” The movie won’t be a comedy, he says, and it’s not like he’s going to make Superman one of the quirky characters he is famous for. Gunn is intent on making a sincere superhero movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-cast-saved-james-gunn-1235401687/

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>>136896922 (OP)
>“He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman.
What does this even mean? Superman doesn't feel like an outsider because Earth is the only home he's ever known. Why is this so hard for people to understand?


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>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”

>“It’s easier to take a character nobody knows, like the Guardians, or Peacemaker, and then do whatever you want with them,” says Gunn. “People in every single country in the world know the story of Superman.” It’s one reason he turned down a Superman film in 2018 — he didn’t have a take. Now, he says he does.

>“How can I make it different from the Superman movies that have been made so far, but also have it respect all the Superman movies that have been made so far?” he asks. “So it just took me some time to try to figure it out.” The movie won’t be a comedy, he says, and it’s not like he’s going to make Superman one of the quirky characters he is famous for. Gunn is intent on making a sincere superhero movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-cast-saved-james-gunn-1235401687/

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>>136896922 (OP)
>Gunn is intent on making a sincere superhero movie.
So he's basically saying his Guardians films are not sincere.

I knew this faggot never gave a shit about the Guardians at all, but it's nice to get a confirmation straight form him at last


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I want chad wholesome calm smile Superman outsmarting edgy pretentious bald narcicist Lex.

The unbreakable optimist Hopeman against the edgy corporate evil cinicism

I want Lois to be smart, cool and better at journalism than Clark but in a likable way (like Kim Wexler is better than Saul and yet extremely likable).

I want Jimmy to be the fun influencer subcelebrity that really keeps the Daily Planet going with nonsense whimsical bullshit online. Clark as a newbie rookie farmboy reporter, the "sane" of the trio.

I really really really want the secret identity to be a thing.

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>>136901778
i hope they take some cues from the recent jimmy olsen comics, those were real swell. i'm also rooting for the secret identity to return, it's been losing its prominence in the superhero myth.


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>>136896922 (OP)
>“He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman.
What does this even mean? Superman doesn't feel like an outsider because Earth is the only home he's ever known. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

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>>136905111
while superman is human in spirit, he's still the last of his kind. it's a loneliness that's been explored in comics since the silver age


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>>136905111
while superman is human in spirit, he's still the last of his kind. it's a loneliness that's been explored in comics since the silver age

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>>136905215
sure on an existential level, but day-to-day and in every way that practically matters hes human and never alone


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>>136905367
Fin.


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>>136905111
while superman is human in spirit, he's still the last of his kind. it's a loneliness that's been explored in comics since the silver age

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>>136905215
>Supergirl
>Zod
>Faroa
>Nam-Ek
>shrunken city of Kandor
>alt-universe and dimension kryptonians
Just like with Goku and the saiyans, no there's actually quite a few of your race left


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>>136897058
Did you not read the fucking text? He specifically said Supes isn't going to be like Star-Lord or Peacemaker.

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>>136900430
Imagine being stupid enough to believe him


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>>136905111
while superman is human in spirit, he's still the last of his kind. it's a loneliness that's been explored in comics since the silver age

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>>136905215
>it's a loneliness that's been explored in comics since the silver age
And it's the same shit that ruined the DCEU version of the character. Superman isn't supposed to feel alienated or isolated or that he's any different from humanity. Homelander is. Plutonian is. Dr Manhattan is. Superman? No. Absolutely not.


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>>136897128
>>136897176
>>136897156
Snydercucks stay seething lol I can't wait until this movie comes out and gets great reviews and makes a shit ton of money. The level of cope from you cunts will be incredible

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>>136900460
Snydercucks will neck themselves once Legacy gets great reviews


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>>136905215
>Supergirl
>Zod
>Faroa
>Nam-Ek
>shrunken city of Kandor
>alt-universe and dimension kryptonians
Just like with Goku and the saiyans, no there's actually quite a few of your race left

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>>136905560
This misses the point. Superman shouldn't see himself as Kryptonian at all. He believes he's human and wants to be treated like one.

>Kandor
The Kandorians don't really count because they're shrunk and can't really do anything. Besides, it's not like they're even going to show up in the first movie. Assuming they ever show up in the new DC movies.

>Zod
>Faroa
Last of his kind who isn't a complete sociopath. Besides, after the failure of the DCEU version of these characters. We likely won't be seeing another Zod in a DC movie for a while. Less reminders of the Snyderverse the better.


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>>136900460
Snydercucks will neck themselves once Legacy gets great reviews

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>>136906706
Fuck the reviews. If Legacy eats shit at the box office, it’s over.


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>>136899611
Taking interest isn't the same as feeling like an alien in the planet you were raised on from infancy.

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>>136900031
He can fly and shoot fire from his eyes, he can see colors and hear sounds no one else can. I don’t care what that retard Byrne taught you, Clark is different from regular humans and always has been. Stuff like that makes him interesting.


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>>136905560
This misses the point. Superman shouldn't see himself as Kryptonian at all. He believes he's human and wants to be treated like one.

>Kandor
The Kandorians don't really count because they're shrunk and can't really do anything. Besides, it's not like they're even going to show up in the first movie. Assuming they ever show up in the new DC movies.

>Zod
>Faroa
Last of his kind who isn't a complete sociopath. Besides, after the failure of the DCEU version of these characters. We likely won't be seeing another Zod in a DC movie for a while. Less reminders of the Snyderverse the better.

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>>136906728
Supergirl is getting a movie in Gunn’s DCU. It’ll be based on Tom King’s book.


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>>136906706
Fuck the reviews. If Legacy eats shit at the box office, it’s over.

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>>136906744
At this point? I'm honestly rooting for it to fail. I'd rather we never get another Superman movie ever again, rather than see another hack filmmaker drag him through the mud, or see him "updated for modern audiences" and have to deal with the constant fanboy bitching on social media.


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>>136906728
Supergirl is getting a movie in Gunn’s DCU. It’ll be based on Tom King’s book.

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>>136906781
I've already written off the Supergirl movie as a failure. If you know anything about Tom King you'd know he's the last person who should be writing a Supergirl movie.


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>>136902042
>He gets pulled into the mud and has to deal with the shady shit, and while he's less naive on the other side, he's still noble.
Captain America refuses to go along with the US governments shadier dealings and/or desire to lock up Superheroes, he has to go into hiding and fight from the shadows, to protect the ones he loves, and to avoid being jailed. Because he's still a human being.

If something similar happened in DC. If Amanda Waller, Maria Hill or Nick Fury told Superman "Follow our rules or else" He'd just shrug and say 'or what? I can fly through the sun, there's literally nothing you can do to hurt me." Because ultimately. Captain America. Like Batman. Is the underdog fighting back against the big evil that is the government. Superman? He's not an underdog. He could literally solve the problem through might alone if he ever felt like it. So it's hard to construct situations where it ever feels like he's in a place where he can't immediately win.

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>>136902373
>He'd just shrug and say 'or what? I can fly through the sun, there's literally nothing you can do to hurt me."
Are you fucking retarded? President Lex did exactly that, Supes told him to fuck off, Lex put a billion dollar bounty on his head and forced Supes to go on the run to clear his name.
Jesus Christ you are a dipshit casual who has never read a single Superman comic in his fucking life. Supes butts heads with the government all the time. The fucking Cadmus arc in the DCAU was ENTIRELY about this.


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>>136902373
>He'd just shrug and say 'or what? I can fly through the sun, there's literally nothing you can do to hurt me."
Are you fucking retarded? President Lex did exactly that, Supes told him to fuck off, Lex put a billion dollar bounty on his head and forced Supes to go on the run to clear his name.
Jesus Christ you are a dipshit casual who has never read a single Superman comic in his fucking life. Supes butts heads with the government all the time. The fucking Cadmus arc in the DCAU was ENTIRELY about this.

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>>136906820
DCAU Supes was also considerably less op than a proper version of Superman should be.
Normal bullets can kill Captain America. But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman. Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.


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>>136906744
At this point? I'm honestly rooting for it to fail. I'd rather we never get another Superman movie ever again, rather than see another hack filmmaker drag him through the mud, or see him "updated for modern audiences" and have to deal with the constant fanboy bitching on social media.

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>>136906784
Just stay off of social media? It’s really not that hard


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>>136906784
Just stay off of social media? It’s really not that hard

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>>136906916
If you're even tangentially connected to pop culture. It's going to show up in your feed at some point.


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>>136906820
DCAU Supes was also considerably less op than a proper version of Superman should be.
Normal bullets can kill Captain America. But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman. Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.

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>>136906888
Kryptonite bullets, dude.


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>>136906888
Kryptonite bullets, dude.

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>>136906820
DCAU Supes was also considerably less op than a proper version of Superman should be.
Normal bullets can kill Captain America. But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman. Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.

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>>136906888
>than a proper version of Superman should be.
Ok boomer, keep pretending like the Silver Age is the only “valid” era because you saw some le epic memes on Instagram about Superman towing planets.
>But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman
Or - get this - you use weapons OTHER than small fire arms. Superman is a sci-fi character you idiot, the henchmen he fights come armed with lasers and mech suits, or they’re aliens selling drugs grown in black holes, or they’re just strong enough to hurt him because it’s all make believe anyway and the rules are whatever the writer says they are.
>Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.
He’s never been that ever you casual, and he’s certainly not that now. You only know the character through memes.


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>>136906820
DCAU Supes was also considerably less op than a proper version of Superman should be.
Normal bullets can kill Captain America. But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman. Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.

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>>136906888
Go read Superman Unchained, Scott Snyder may be too over the top for me, but he demonstrated how easy it is for governments to build anti-Superman weapons without resorting to Kryptonite.


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>>136906888
>than a proper version of Superman should be.
Ok boomer, keep pretending like the Silver Age is the only “valid” era because you saw some le epic memes on Instagram about Superman towing planets.
>But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman
Or - get this - you use weapons OTHER than small fire arms. Superman is a sci-fi character you idiot, the henchmen he fights come armed with lasers and mech suits, or they’re aliens selling drugs grown in black holes, or they’re just strong enough to hurt him because it’s all make believe anyway and the rules are whatever the writer says they are.
>Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.
He’s never been that ever you casual, and he’s certainly not that now. You only know the character through memes.

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>>136906986
Especially since Superman isn’t even the strongest character in the DCU. Characters like the Spectre and Doctor Fate can kick his ass no problem.


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>>136906888
Kryptonite bullets, dude.

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>>136906946
If a character is so overpowered you need to contrive circumstances or lazy storytelling techniques, in order for him to be hurt or struggle in any way shape or form. It's a bad character. When Marvel made this character, and called her Captain Marvel. Everyone rightfully said she was a bad character. But just because Superman was made in the 1930s and happened to be the first ever Superhero, he gets a pass?


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>>136906888
Go read Superman Unchained, Scott Snyder may be too over the top for me, but he demonstrated how easy it is for governments to build anti-Superman weapons without resorting to Kryptonite.

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>>136907017
>>136906986
Yeah but those are like. Things that show up in movie three or four. You can't have that in the first movie.


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>>136906888
>than a proper version of Superman should be.
Ok boomer, keep pretending like the Silver Age is the only “valid” era because you saw some le epic memes on Instagram about Superman towing planets.
>But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman
Or - get this - you use weapons OTHER than small fire arms. Superman is a sci-fi character you idiot, the henchmen he fights come armed with lasers and mech suits, or they’re aliens selling drugs grown in black holes, or they’re just strong enough to hurt him because it’s all make believe anyway and the rules are whatever the writer says they are.
>Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.
He’s never been that ever you casual, and he’s certainly not that now. You only know the character through memes.

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>>136907017
>>136906986
Yeah but those are like. Things that show up in movie three or four. You can't have that in the first movie.


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>>136906888
>than a proper version of Superman should be.
Ok boomer, keep pretending like the Silver Age is the only “valid” era because you saw some le epic memes on Instagram about Superman towing planets.
>But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman
Or - get this - you use weapons OTHER than small fire arms. Superman is a sci-fi character you idiot, the henchmen he fights come armed with lasers and mech suits, or they’re aliens selling drugs grown in black holes, or they’re just strong enough to hurt him because it’s all make believe anyway and the rules are whatever the writer says they are.
>Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.
He’s never been that ever you casual, and he’s certainly not that now. You only know the character through memes.

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>>136906986
That sort of science fiction absurdity is exactly what people don't want from a Superman movie. Which is why it's exactly what Gunn is going to do with the character in a vain attempt to counter the Zack Snyder era. Like Schumacher did for the Burton Batman movies.


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>>136906986
Especially since Superman isn’t even the strongest character in the DCU. Characters like the Spectre and Doctor Fate can kick his ass no problem.

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>>136907041
Shame after Black Adam failed we wont see another Doctor Fate in a movie for years to come if ever again.


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>>136900460
What are you going to do if it ends up bombing? Honestly at this point, even if it's good. With how in the shitter DC comics and the Superhero movie trend is, even if the movie is good. Most people are not going to see it. They're just going to roll their eyes and go 'oh great. Another Superhero movie about a boring character who punches a boring bad guy in a boring CGI fist fight i've seen a million times in much better movies." and go see something else.
A good Superman movie is about as generic and vanilla as a Superhero movie can get. And we're at a point where nobody wants vanilla Superhero movies. They want edgy shit like The Boys or Invincible. So a Superman movie is already fighting an uphill battle.

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>>136901808
>What are you going to do if it ends up bombing?
There's no "if", it will bomb.

What will they do? The same thing they always do, call the Gunn an incompetent idiot and start shilling the next guy,


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>>136901808
>What are you going to do if it ends up bombing?
There's no "if", it will bomb.

What will they do? The same thing they always do, call the Gunn an incompetent idiot and start shilling the next guy,

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>>136907131
At this point I don't even care anymore. Supermans glory days are gone, and never coming back, and it's all Hollywood, Zack Snyder, and WB's fault for hating every moral value he once stood for.


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>>136906888
Go read Superman Unchained, Scott Snyder may be too over the top for me, but he demonstrated how easy it is for governments to build anti-Superman weapons without resorting to Kryptonite.

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>>136907017
I thought people hated the new 52 Superman?


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>>136906946
If a character is so overpowered you need to contrive circumstances or lazy storytelling techniques, in order for him to be hurt or struggle in any way shape or form. It's a bad character. When Marvel made this character, and called her Captain Marvel. Everyone rightfully said she was a bad character. But just because Superman was made in the 1930s and happened to be the first ever Superhero, he gets a pass?

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>>136907052
Kryptonite is a long established weakness of Superman so of course a villain is going to take advantage of it. Lex Luthor hired Bloodsport to shoot Superman with a Kryptonite bullet. By the way, there were other Captain Marvels before Carol. The first one died of cancer.


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>>136906986
That sort of science fiction absurdity is exactly what people don't want from a Superman movie. Which is why it's exactly what Gunn is going to do with the character in a vain attempt to counter the Zack Snyder era. Like Schumacher did for the Burton Batman movies.

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>>136907104
Dude, come on. Don’t be a fucking pretentious nerd about this shit. All Superman needs is a fun family film to make bank at the box office.


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>>136907052
Kryptonite is a long established weakness of Superman so of course a villain is going to take advantage of it. Lex Luthor hired Bloodsport to shoot Superman with a Kryptonite bullet. By the way, there were other Captain Marvels before Carol. The first one died of cancer.

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>>136907186
Movie and current comic book Carol. Not classic carol who actually was a good character.


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>>136907333
I think the "Superman just chills with random depressed/downtrodden dude on rooftop" story is a bit cliche at this point.


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>>136907052
Kryptonite is a long established weakness of Superman so of course a villain is going to take advantage of it. Lex Luthor hired Bloodsport to shoot Superman with a Kryptonite bullet. By the way, there were other Captain Marvels before Carol. The first one died of cancer.

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>>136907186
Being long established doesn't make it not a lazy excuse for lazy drama.

>>136907213
Noones going to see a new Superman movie even if it is family friendly and bright and colorful because they already got that from every MCU movie.


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>>136907104
Dude, come on. Don’t be a fucking pretentious nerd about this shit. All Superman needs is a fun family film to make bank at the box office.

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>>136907186
Being long established doesn't make it not a lazy excuse for lazy drama.

>>136907213
Noones going to see a new Superman movie even if it is family friendly and bright and colorful because they already got that from every MCU movie.


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>>136907333
I think the "Superman just chills with random depressed/downtrodden dude on rooftop" story is a bit cliche at this point.

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>>136907345
It's never been done in a movie before. In fact. It fucking sucks that the boys shat all over it in their tv show before Superman himself could even have a scene like that in a proper Superman movie.


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>>136907333
I think the "Superman just chills with random depressed/downtrodden dude on rooftop" story is a bit cliche at this point.

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>>136907345
You're picking a devil of an IP to worry about whether something is or isn't a cliche.


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>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”

>“It’s easier to take a character nobody knows, like the Guardians, or Peacemaker, and then do whatever you want with them,” says Gunn. “People in every single country in the world know the story of Superman.” It’s one reason he turned down a Superman film in 2018 — he didn’t have a take. Now, he says he does.

>“How can I make it different from the Superman movies that have been made so far, but also have it respect all the Superman movies that have been made so far?” he asks. “So it just took me some time to try to figure it out.” The movie won’t be a comedy, he says, and it’s not like he’s going to make Superman one of the quirky characters he is famous for. Gunn is intent on making a sincere superhero movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-cast-saved-james-gunn-1235401687/

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>>136897063
>>136897352
>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”


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>Inspired by All-Star Superman
YAY!
>Notes by Tom King
NO!

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>>136896922 (OP)
>>136897063
>>136897352
>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”


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>>136897063
King literally wrote one of the best Superman stories, Up in the Sky.

>>136896922 (OP)
> he’s everything I am,” says Gunn
Oh damn, Superman also jokes about giving blowjobs to minors on Twitter?! You should know better, Clark...

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>>136896922 (OP)
>>136897063
>>136897352
>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”


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>>136896922 (OP)
>>136897063
>>136897352
>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”

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>>136907504
>>136907446
"The only man in the sky is me."


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>>136907345
It's never been done in a movie before. In fact. It fucking sucks that the boys shat all over it in their tv show before Superman himself could even have a scene like that in a proper Superman movie.

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>>136907504
>>136907446
"The only man in the sky is me."


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>>136907345
It's never been done in a movie before. In fact. It fucking sucks that the boys shat all over it in their tv show before Superman himself could even have a scene like that in a proper Superman movie.

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>>136907446
Huh. You're right. It's always hanging out on rooftops with Lois, or fighting supervillains, or talking to randos as Clark Kent.


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>>136902315
>>136902137
Quality notwithstanding. We've had dark gritty violent superheroes (Dark Knight, The Batman), Superhero Comedy (Deadpool, Ant-Man, Iron Man 3), Superhero horror (Brightburn, Venom, New Mutants). Superhero space opera (Guardians Of The Galaxy, Captain Marvel), Superhero High School drama (MCU Spider-Man, Miss Marvel, Shazam), Superhero war movies and historical fiction (Captain America, Wonder Woman), Superhero alien Invasion/disaster movies (Man Of Steel, Avengers, Justice League) Superhero Law/Crime procedural (Daredevil, She-Hulk, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage), Superhero Kung Fu movies (Shang-Chi, Iron Fist, Hit-Monkey), Superhero post-apocalypse (Batman V Superman, Logan).

What's left? And what the hell can a Superman movie do that these movies and tv shows haven't already done? Nothing!

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>>136902610
Forgot a few.
Superhero animated kids movies nd tv (Big Hero 6, The Incredibles), Superhero Deconstruction (The Boys, Watchmen), Superhero parody (Megamind), Superhero time travel stories (The Flash, Avengers Endgame), Superhero wizard stories (Doctor Strange, Black Adam). Political superhero stories (Black Panther, Captain America 2 and Civil War).

How the hell is Superman supposed to distinguish himself from the pack now and get people to care? It can't be done. It's too late.


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>>136907446
Huh. You're right. It's always hanging out on rooftops with Lois, or fighting supervillains, or talking to randos as Clark Kent.

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>>136907564
Exactly. The scene in the boys doesn't hit as hard as it could have because the general public doesn't know how a scene like that would go with the proper Superman. Because they love denying us that.


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>>136902610
Forgot a few.
Superhero animated kids movies nd tv (Big Hero 6, The Incredibles), Superhero Deconstruction (The Boys, Watchmen), Superhero parody (Megamind), Superhero time travel stories (The Flash, Avengers Endgame), Superhero wizard stories (Doctor Strange, Black Adam). Political superhero stories (Black Panther, Captain America 2 and Civil War).

How the hell is Superman supposed to distinguish himself from the pack now and get people to care? It can't be done. It's too late.

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>>136907676
The sad thing is I feel Invincible proved there IS a niche for a benevolent flying brick audience out there. It's just that Mark and Omni-man have filled it before someone can tell a decent story with Clark.

It helps that Omni-man is the rare case of an Evil Superman who actually gets redeemed.


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>>136907041
Shame after Black Adam failed we wont see another Doctor Fate in a movie for years to come if ever again.

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>We live in a timeline where a fucking gatcha game is making better Superman stories than the company that actually owns his IP

>>136907125
And if we do, we'll probably get Khalid instead of Kent. Diversity points aside, let's face it-Pierce Brosnan is getting on in years, and they don't exactly grow Pierce Brosnans on trees.


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>>136905215
>Supergirl
>Zod
>Faroa
>Nam-Ek
>shrunken city of Kandor
>alt-universe and dimension kryptonians
Just like with Goku and the saiyans, no there's actually quite a few of your race left

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>>136905560
i imagine it's difficult to feel at home around a handful of your species, most of whom are silver-age-evil. kandor is kind of a write-off cause we all know superman isn't gonna shrink down and live in kandor forever.


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>>136907676
The sad thing is I feel Invincible proved there IS a niche for a benevolent flying brick audience out there. It's just that Mark and Omni-man have filled it before someone can tell a decent story with Clark.

It helps that Omni-man is the rare case of an Evil Superman who actually gets redeemed.

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>>136907701
I feel like Omni-Man is more similar to Zod or Vegeta than Superman despite the surface level similarities.


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>>136900460
What are you going to do if it ends up bombing? Honestly at this point, even if it's good. With how in the shitter DC comics and the Superhero movie trend is, even if the movie is good. Most people are not going to see it. They're just going to roll their eyes and go 'oh great. Another Superhero movie about a boring character who punches a boring bad guy in a boring CGI fist fight i've seen a million times in much better movies." and go see something else.
A good Superman movie is about as generic and vanilla as a Superhero movie can get. And we're at a point where nobody wants vanilla Superhero movies. They want edgy shit like The Boys or Invincible. So a Superman movie is already fighting an uphill battle.

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>>136901808
>What are you going to do if it ends up bombing?
i'm gonna cry


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>>136902610
Forgot a few.
Superhero animated kids movies nd tv (Big Hero 6, The Incredibles), Superhero Deconstruction (The Boys, Watchmen), Superhero parody (Megamind), Superhero time travel stories (The Flash, Avengers Endgame), Superhero wizard stories (Doctor Strange, Black Adam). Political superhero stories (Black Panther, Captain America 2 and Civil War).

How the hell is Superman supposed to distinguish himself from the pack now and get people to care? It can't be done. It's too late.

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>>136907676
Dude, fuck off. For real. Enough with the “Simpsons did it” bullshit. It doesn’t matter if something’s been done before. Everything’s been done before. Nothing is original anymore. But it doesn’t matter because you can still like the characters, setting and stories anyway. People aren’t autistic about this like you are. They don’t care. They will watch whatever interests them, regardless of those other properties. It ain’t a big deal.


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>>136896922 (OP)
Oh wow. Another Hollywood elitist edgelord who thinks he sees some truth in Superman the common people dont. The sooner this comes out and bombs the better.

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>>136900990
Pretty much this. Superman is one of the most overanalyzed characters in fiction, and easily would be the most for comics if Batman and Joker didn't exist.
Whatever take for Supes comes to your mind, guaranteed 1000 people minimum have already thought of a better version of it before now. Better to just keep shit simple, uncomplicated, and DGASF if it's similar to one of the prior. Shit, a new Superman as basic formula as the first couple Reeves one would be welcome as hell.


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>>136907701
I feel like Omni-Man is more similar to Zod or Vegeta than Superman despite the surface level similarities.

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>>136907820
Oh sure, Superman's never had much truck with having a warrior's mindset unless he's in a bad timeline. I did specify I see him as one of the "Evil Superman" type characters, just one that got better thanks to, unlike Homelander or Miracleman, having a good support structure.


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>>136907676
The sad thing is I feel Invincible proved there IS a niche for a benevolent flying brick audience out there. It's just that Mark and Omni-man have filled it before someone can tell a decent story with Clark.

It helps that Omni-man is the rare case of an Evil Superman who actually gets redeemed.

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>>136907701
That and Invincible is a fucked up show that can't replace a real Superman experience. That and unlike Clark and Superman. Mark/Invincible is actually allowed to have character flaws and make mistakes without some fan getting his shorts in a twist over him killing bad guy or making morally dubious decisions in the name of the greater good.

If Superman  killed Lex Luthor and put his brain in a jar to serve as an advisor to future god-dictator of earth Vandal Savage  people would be justifiably pissed.


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>>136902315
>>136902137
Quality notwithstanding. We've had dark gritty violent superheroes (Dark Knight, The Batman), Superhero Comedy (Deadpool, Ant-Man, Iron Man 3), Superhero horror (Brightburn, Venom, New Mutants). Superhero space opera (Guardians Of The Galaxy, Captain Marvel), Superhero High School drama (MCU Spider-Man, Miss Marvel, Shazam), Superhero war movies and historical fiction (Captain America, Wonder Woman), Superhero alien Invasion/disaster movies (Man Of Steel, Avengers, Justice League) Superhero Law/Crime procedural (Daredevil, She-Hulk, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage), Superhero Kung Fu movies (Shang-Chi, Iron Fist, Hit-Monkey), Superhero post-apocalypse (Batman V Superman, Logan).

What's left? And what the hell can a Superman movie do that these movies and tv shows haven't already done? Nothing!

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>>136902610
>And what the hell can a Superman movie do that these movies and tv shows haven't already done?
they can do whatever the hell plastic man does
god i wish we could get a plastic man movie


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>>136905215
>it's a loneliness that's been explored in comics since the silver age
And it's the same shit that ruined the DCEU version of the character. Superman isn't supposed to feel alienated or isolated or that he's any different from humanity. Homelander is. Plutonian is. Dr Manhattan is. Superman? No. Absolutely not.

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>>136906471
i'm not saying superman should feel he isn't human, or that he can't relate to anyone. i agree that emphasizing this aspect of his character is what lead to his DCEU incarnation being such a flop. still, i maintain that it exists and that it's an interesting part of the character to explore.

superman is human at heart, but a lonely human. he spends a lot of time alone, floating through space and the fortress and his apartment. his friends are all people he met at work, whether as clark or as superman. his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.


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>>136907701
That and Invincible is a fucked up show that can't replace a real Superman experience. That and unlike Clark and Superman. Mark/Invincible is actually allowed to have character flaws and make mistakes without some fan getting his shorts in a twist over him killing bad guy or making morally dubious decisions in the name of the greater good.

If Superman  killed Lex Luthor and put his brain in a jar to serve as an advisor to future god-dictator of earth Vandal Savage  people would be justifiably pissed.

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>>136907863
It's crazy that Robot would have actually won, given everyone on Earth just shrugged and let him solve their problems the first time, if his control freak tendencies hadn't led to him pissing off the Viltrumites


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>>136907863
It's crazy that Robot would have actually won, given everyone on Earth just shrugged and let him solve their problems the first time, if his control freak tendencies hadn't led to him pissing off the Viltrumites

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>>136907923
There's a certain personality type that has to get into a dick measuring contest with everyone they meet. No matter who they are, it eventually ends poorly.


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>>136906471
i'm not saying superman should feel he isn't human, or that he can't relate to anyone. i agree that emphasizing this aspect of his character is what lead to his DCEU incarnation being such a flop. still, i maintain that it exists and that it's an interesting part of the character to explore.

superman is human at heart, but a lonely human. he spends a lot of time alone, floating through space and the fortress and his apartment. his friends are all people he met at work, whether as clark or as superman. his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.

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>>136907914
i should add that i don't think silver age superman comics are the only superman comics that count/matter/etc. those are just the ones i grew up reading, and that's largely where my conception of the character comes from.


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>>136906471
i'm not saying superman should feel he isn't human, or that he can't relate to anyone. i agree that emphasizing this aspect of his character is what lead to his DCEU incarnation being such a flop. still, i maintain that it exists and that it's an interesting part of the character to explore.

superman is human at heart, but a lonely human. he spends a lot of time alone, floating through space and the fortress and his apartment. his friends are all people he met at work, whether as clark or as superman. his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.

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>>136907914
>his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.
I like versions where at least one of the Kents is alive. And if you kill one, you have to do it well. The comic where Pa dies of a heart attack and Clark (who was starting to get up his own ass about being omnipotent) realizes there's nothing he can do and is humbled and grows as a person? Kino. Man of Steel, where Pa "let them kids drown" Kent just maintains eye contact with Clark as he commits suicide by tornado? Trash.


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>>136906820
DCAU Supes was also considerably less op than a proper version of Superman should be.
Normal bullets can kill Captain America. But you constantly need to contrive bullshit for why a bullet can hurt Superman. Which defeats the entire point of a character who's supposed to be completely indestructible physically, mentally and morally.

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>>136906888
>DCAU Supes was also considerably less op than a proper version of Superman should be.
you really are a retard


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>>136907923
There's a certain personality type that has to get into a dick measuring contest with everyone they meet. No matter who they are, it eventually ends poorly.

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>>136907936
>There's a certain personality type that has to get into a dick measuring contest with everyone they meet. No matter who they are, it eventually ends poorly.
I know this thread is mostly about mourning Superman, but it's always vaguely bothered me that Lex Luthor never has this problem with Darkseid. People go on and on about all the reasons he has to have a spiteboner for Superman, but even though he's usually the default most prominent authority around when the story isn't introducing an OC super-being or a thing that's more like a cosmic force than a character, Lex doesn't seem to think about Darkseid at all.

You'd think that with all his insecurity about supers he'd at least be a LITTLE concerned that there is an actual, no-bullshit god of tyranny out there who actually calls himself that, has an army of other gods, and has absolutely none of Superman's restraint.


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>>136900990
Pretty much this. Superman is one of the most overanalyzed characters in fiction, and easily would be the most for comics if Batman and Joker didn't exist.
Whatever take for Supes comes to your mind, guaranteed 1000 people minimum have already thought of a better version of it before now. Better to just keep shit simple, uncomplicated, and DGASF if it's similar to one of the prior. Shit, a new Superman as basic formula as the first couple Reeves one would be welcome as hell.

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>>136907844
>and easily would be the most for comics if Batman and Joker didn't exist.
Honestly. I wish Batman and Joker never existed. Their success has been the reason the rest of the DC universe has been neglected, mismanaged, ignored, and screwed over for so long. Especially Superman. They made Superman dark and gritty in the snyder-verse because it worked for Batman, they rushed the crossover with Superman because 'people like Batman', they made a spinoff with joker because people like Batman. Batman is like the spoiled favorite child who gets a lavish dinner every night, while the rest of the children get porridge. Including Superman.


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>>136906471
i'm not saying superman should feel he isn't human, or that he can't relate to anyone. i agree that emphasizing this aspect of his character is what lead to his DCEU incarnation being such a flop. still, i maintain that it exists and that it's an interesting part of the character to explore.

superman is human at heart, but a lonely human. he spends a lot of time alone, floating through space and the fortress and his apartment. his friends are all people he met at work, whether as clark or as superman. his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.

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>>136907972
Forgot to attach my favorite Kent Family bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZV4EL5wjC4 [Embed]


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>>136907914
>his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.
I like versions where at least one of the Kents is alive. And if you kill one, you have to do it well. The comic where Pa dies of a heart attack and Clark (who was starting to get up his own ass about being omnipotent) realizes there's nothing he can do and is humbled and grows as a person? Kino. Man of Steel, where Pa "let them kids drown" Kent just maintains eye contact with Clark as he commits suicide by tornado? Trash.

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>>136907914
>>136907972
Forgot to attach my favorite Kent Family bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZV4EL5wjC4 [Embed]


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>>136907186
Being long established doesn't make it not a lazy excuse for lazy drama.

>>136907213
Noones going to see a new Superman movie even if it is family friendly and bright and colorful because they already got that from every MCU movie.

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>>136907390
>Noones going to see a new Superman movie even if it is family friendly and bright and colorful because they already got that from every MCU movie.
i don't think that's true. sure, in recent years there hasn't been much in the way of proper superman media outside comics, but i think you're forgetting just how many people know who superman is. i mean, he's *the* superhero! and, the truth is, marvel movies are kind of losing their luster. they haven't been colourful, friendly movies in a while. they're kind of bogged down by trying to be pseudo-political thrillers and the militarizing of their characters. plus everything's super desaturated, too. i think a good superman movie could clean house at the box office with the right marketing. some "you'll believe a man can fly" type stuff.


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>>136906888
>DCAU Supes was also considerably less op than a proper version of Superman should be.
you really are a retard

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>>136907983
To be fair I don't think regular Superman is nearly as vulnerable to electricity. But that's not a DCAU Superman-exclusive thing, everyone in the DCAU is weak to electricity for some reason. Except maybe Darkseid, and that's because he harnessed it in the last episode.


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>>136907914
>his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.
I like versions where at least one of the Kents is alive. And if you kill one, you have to do it well. The comic where Pa dies of a heart attack and Clark (who was starting to get up his own ass about being omnipotent) realizes there's nothing he can do and is humbled and grows as a person? Kino. Man of Steel, where Pa "let them kids drown" Kent just maintains eye contact with Clark as he commits suicide by tornado? Trash.

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>>136907972
It's been ten years. Let it go man. Just let it go.


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>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”

>“It’s easier to take a character nobody knows, like the Guardians, or Peacemaker, and then do whatever you want with them,” says Gunn. “People in every single country in the world know the story of Superman.” It’s one reason he turned down a Superman film in 2018 — he didn’t have a take. Now, he says he does.

>“How can I make it different from the Superman movies that have been made so far, but also have it respect all the Superman movies that have been made so far?” he asks. “So it just took me some time to try to figure it out.” The movie won’t be a comedy, he says, and it’s not like he’s going to make Superman one of the quirky characters he is famous for. Gunn is intent on making a sincere superhero movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-cast-saved-james-gunn-1235401687/

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>>136896922 (OP)
He never mentioned Power Girl or tweeted about her I think he comes from the MCU and will bring all the bad things from there


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>>136907914
>his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.
I like versions where at least one of the Kents is alive. And if you kill one, you have to do it well. The comic where Pa dies of a heart attack and Clark (who was starting to get up his own ass about being omnipotent) realizes there's nothing he can do and is humbled and grows as a person? Kino. Man of Steel, where Pa "let them kids drown" Kent just maintains eye contact with Clark as he commits suicide by tornado? Trash.

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>>136907972
The first movie did it best. Jonathan dies of a heart attack to show Clark that even with all of those incredible powers, he is not all powerful and is ultimately still just a man. https://youtu.be/QUUGDRxJnFU [Embed]


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>>136907914
>his parents, adoptive and biological, passed away. at least in the silver age, anyways.
I like versions where at least one of the Kents is alive. And if you kill one, you have to do it well. The comic where Pa dies of a heart attack and Clark (who was starting to get up his own ass about being omnipotent) realizes there's nothing he can do and is humbled and grows as a person? Kino. Man of Steel, where Pa "let them kids drown" Kent just maintains eye contact with Clark as he commits suicide by tornado? Trash.

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>>136907972
oh yeah, that comic from all star superman is an all-timer. i love any comic that goes back to smallville. i enjoy the stories where ma and pa are alive too, maybe more than the ones where they're dead. i just included it to make a point about superman and isolation and whatever


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>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”

>“It’s easier to take a character nobody knows, like the Guardians, or Peacemaker, and then do whatever you want with them,” says Gunn. “People in every single country in the world know the story of Superman.” It’s one reason he turned down a Superman film in 2018 — he didn’t have a take. Now, he says he does.

>“How can I make it different from the Superman movies that have been made so far, but also have it respect all the Superman movies that have been made so far?” he asks. “So it just took me some time to try to figure it out.” The movie won’t be a comedy, he says, and it’s not like he’s going to make Superman one of the quirky characters he is famous for. Gunn is intent on making a sincere superhero movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-cast-saved-james-gunn-1235401687/

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>>136896922 (OP)
How did he get rehabilitated after being caught red-handed as a faggot pedophile who shipped busses of young boys for fag parties up at his Hollywood mansion, again?


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>>136907936
>There's a certain personality type that has to get into a dick measuring contest with everyone they meet. No matter who they are, it eventually ends poorly.
I know this thread is mostly about mourning Superman, but it's always vaguely bothered me that Lex Luthor never has this problem with Darkseid. People go on and on about all the reasons he has to have a spiteboner for Superman, but even though he's usually the default most prominent authority around when the story isn't introducing an OC super-being or a thing that's more like a cosmic force than a character, Lex doesn't seem to think about Darkseid at all.

You'd think that with all his insecurity about supers he'd at least be a LITTLE concerned that there is an actual, no-bullshit god of tyranny out there who actually calls himself that, has an army of other gods, and has absolutely none of Superman's restraint.

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>>136907993
https://youtu.be/MZCNDwKgi7o [Embed]


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>>136907017
I thought people hated the new 52 Superman?

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>>136907184
Superbro has his fans.


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>>136907936
>There's a certain personality type that has to get into a dick measuring contest with everyone they meet. No matter who they are, it eventually ends poorly.
I know this thread is mostly about mourning Superman, but it's always vaguely bothered me that Lex Luthor never has this problem with Darkseid. People go on and on about all the reasons he has to have a spiteboner for Superman, but even though he's usually the default most prominent authority around when the story isn't introducing an OC super-being or a thing that's more like a cosmic force than a character, Lex doesn't seem to think about Darkseid at all.

You'd think that with all his insecurity about supers he'd at least be a LITTLE concerned that there is an actual, no-bullshit god of tyranny out there who actually calls himself that, has an army of other gods, and has absolutely none of Superman's restraint.

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>>136907993
I'd never thought of that before you brought it up, but if I had to create a reason on the spot I'd say that Lex is in denial and sees Darkseid as just another alien invader like Mongul or Brainiac, if perhaps one with better PR. And of course Lex will definitely do something about Darkseid, once the REAL menace has been dealt with.


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>>136907983
To be fair I don't think regular Superman is nearly as vulnerable to electricity. But that's not a DCAU Superman-exclusive thing, everyone in the DCAU is weak to electricity for some reason. Except maybe Darkseid, and that's because he harnessed it in the last episode.

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>>136908014
i mean, electricity hurts


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>>136907936
>There's a certain personality type that has to get into a dick measuring contest with everyone they meet. No matter who they are, it eventually ends poorly.
I know this thread is mostly about mourning Superman, but it's always vaguely bothered me that Lex Luthor never has this problem with Darkseid. People go on and on about all the reasons he has to have a spiteboner for Superman, but even though he's usually the default most prominent authority around when the story isn't introducing an OC super-being or a thing that's more like a cosmic force than a character, Lex doesn't seem to think about Darkseid at all.

You'd think that with all his insecurity about supers he'd at least be a LITTLE concerned that there is an actual, no-bullshit god of tyranny out there who actually calls himself that, has an army of other gods, and has absolutely none of Superman's restraint.

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>>136907993
Well, it's not like Darkseid makes much of a habit of ruining his plans time after time. Plus, Darkseid doesn't bother Lex because he's closer to how Lex would be if he had Superman's powers.
Or how he thinks he'd be. I kind of liked the bit in All Star Superman where having his Powers briefly forced Lex to see things from his perspective.


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>>136907844
>and easily would be the most for comics if Batman and Joker didn't exist.
Honestly. I wish Batman and Joker never existed. Their success has been the reason the rest of the DC universe has been neglected, mismanaged, ignored, and screwed over for so long. Especially Superman. They made Superman dark and gritty in the snyder-verse because it worked for Batman, they rushed the crossover with Superman because 'people like Batman', they made a spinoff with joker because people like Batman. Batman is like the spoiled favorite child who gets a lavish dinner every night, while the rest of the children get porridge. Including Superman.

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>>136907996
i didn't know jerry siegel visited 4chan
(siegel didn't like batman)


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>>136907972
It's been ten years. Let it go man. Just let it go.

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>>136908018
Man of Steel will still have been a character assassination for Pa Kent when we're all dead and buried, anon. No amount of time will improve it.


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>>136907390
>Noones going to see a new Superman movie even if it is family friendly and bright and colorful because they already got that from every MCU movie.
i don't think that's true. sure, in recent years there hasn't been much in the way of proper superman media outside comics, but i think you're forgetting just how many people know who superman is. i mean, he's *the* superhero! and, the truth is, marvel movies are kind of losing their luster. they haven't been colourful, friendly movies in a while. they're kind of bogged down by trying to be pseudo-political thrillers and the militarizing of their characters. plus everything's super desaturated, too. i think a good superman movie could clean house at the box office with the right marketing. some "you'll believe a man can fly" type stuff.

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>>136908011
>plus everything's super desaturated, too
The Market isn't. The market is oversaturated. The market has too many of the characters, and they're all derivative of the original superhero in one way or another. And I don't see how he can stand out from the pack and make people want to give him a chance again.
That. And fans have been burned too many times, young kids don't know who Superman is and those that do probably know him from bad media like the snyder movies and prefer marvel characters, political people on twitter and people in hollywood who run shows like the boys and She-Hulk say he's a symbol of racism, toxic masculinity and american jingoism. The actor people actually liked as the character got fired.

I don't see how Superman can beat this.


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>>136908014
i mean, electricity hurts

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>>136908062
So do bullets. And radiation. And listening to shitty Speed Metal, but Superman can handle all that no problem.


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>>136907983
To be fair I don't think regular Superman is nearly as vulnerable to electricity. But that's not a DCAU Superman-exclusive thing, everyone in the DCAU is weak to electricity for some reason. Except maybe Darkseid, and that's because he harnessed it in the last episode.

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>>136908014
>everyone in the DCAU is weak to electricity for some reason
Electrocution is family-friendly!


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>>136907844
>and easily would be the most for comics if Batman and Joker didn't exist.
Honestly. I wish Batman and Joker never existed. Their success has been the reason the rest of the DC universe has been neglected, mismanaged, ignored, and screwed over for so long. Especially Superman. They made Superman dark and gritty in the snyder-verse because it worked for Batman, they rushed the crossover with Superman because 'people like Batman', they made a spinoff with joker because people like Batman. Batman is like the spoiled favorite child who gets a lavish dinner every night, while the rest of the children get porridge. Including Superman.

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>>136907996
Someone a while back brought up what I feel is a good solution to the Batman problem: You have Gotham take place in a relatively low-key world with Catwoman, Two-Face, Harley Quinn etc and the most supernatural thing around is Ra's al-Ghul or Clayface (or if we're being generous, what little magic there is happens to be scary nightmarish mumbo-jumbo like the madness of the Arkham Asylum graphic novel instead of something Zatanna can reliably use to wipe out hordes of crooks). Call it the Batverse. And so you have this grounded setting where there are supersoldiers and conspiracies, maybe a hint of macabre things lurking in the dark places of the world-but no people in tights shooting lasers.

And you make up some reason (The Spectre standing watch over it, dimensional frequencies etc) why this universe is completely isolated from Earth-0.

And then you can jerk off Batman as much as you want while keeping him away from the rest of the pool.

(If I were generous I would like to allow limited crossover events so the Dynamic Duo thing they like to do can still happen when, I dunno, the Spectre lets them visit each other through a magic portal or some cosmic crisis happens that shifts characters around randomly. But we both know DC would abuse that too much)


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>>136908011
>plus everything's super desaturated, too
The Market isn't. The market is oversaturated. The market has too many of the characters, and they're all derivative of the original superhero in one way or another. And I don't see how he can stand out from the pack and make people want to give him a chance again.
That. And fans have been burned too many times, young kids don't know who Superman is and those that do probably know him from bad media like the snyder movies and prefer marvel characters, political people on twitter and people in hollywood who run shows like the boys and She-Hulk say he's a symbol of racism, toxic masculinity and american jingoism. The actor people actually liked as the character got fired.

I don't see how Superman can beat this.

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>>136908071
i meant the actual visuals are desaturated. the colours are drained from the image.


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>>136896922 (OP)
He never mentioned Power Girl or tweeted about her I think he comes from the MCU and will bring all the bad things from there

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>>136908028
Fuck. With how he desexualized the girls in GOTG you know he'll make power girl get rid of her boob window. We can't win.


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>>136896922 (OP)
How did he get rehabilitated after being caught red-handed as a faggot pedophile who shipped busses of young boys for fag parties up at his Hollywood mansion, again?

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>>136908046
Because no one else would sign on to do Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and the excitement over WB getting Gunn for Suicide Squad made Disney realize the public didn't care all that much about tasteless jokes from the Troma guy.


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>>136907996
Someone a while back brought up what I feel is a good solution to the Batman problem: You have Gotham take place in a relatively low-key world with Catwoman, Two-Face, Harley Quinn etc and the most supernatural thing around is Ra's al-Ghul or Clayface (or if we're being generous, what little magic there is happens to be scary nightmarish mumbo-jumbo like the madness of the Arkham Asylum graphic novel instead of something Zatanna can reliably use to wipe out hordes of crooks). Call it the Batverse. And so you have this grounded setting where there are supersoldiers and conspiracies, maybe a hint of macabre things lurking in the dark places of the world-but no people in tights shooting lasers.

And you make up some reason (The Spectre standing watch over it, dimensional frequencies etc) why this universe is completely isolated from Earth-0.

And then you can jerk off Batman as much as you want while keeping him away from the rest of the pool.

(If I were generous I would like to allow limited crossover events so the Dynamic Duo thing they like to do can still happen when, I dunno, the Spectre lets them visit each other through a magic portal or some cosmic crisis happens that shifts characters around randomly. But we both know DC would abuse that too much)

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>>136908084
Well that's not going to happen given they announced a 'fun' Batman movie with Brave and the Bold taking place in the same new universe as this new Superman movie.


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>>136907390
>Noones going to see a new Superman movie even if it is family friendly and bright and colorful because they already got that from every MCU movie.
i don't think that's true. sure, in recent years there hasn't been much in the way of proper superman media outside comics, but i think you're forgetting just how many people know who superman is. i mean, he's *the* superhero! and, the truth is, marvel movies are kind of losing their luster. they haven't been colourful, friendly movies in a while. they're kind of bogged down by trying to be pseudo-political thrillers and the militarizing of their characters. plus everything's super desaturated, too. i think a good superman movie could clean house at the box office with the right marketing. some "you'll believe a man can fly" type stuff.

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>>136908011
I have to side with >>136908071 in terms of the market. I do think Reeves-style is the way to go, as colorful and optimistic as possible, but I think Warner needs to cool their heels for five years or so while audiences get over the total saturation that Disney-Marvel's running.


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>>136908011
>plus everything's super desaturated, too
The Market isn't. The market is oversaturated. The market has too many of the characters, and they're all derivative of the original superhero in one way or another. And I don't see how he can stand out from the pack and make people want to give him a chance again.
That. And fans have been burned too many times, young kids don't know who Superman is and those that do probably know him from bad media like the snyder movies and prefer marvel characters, political people on twitter and people in hollywood who run shows like the boys and She-Hulk say he's a symbol of racism, toxic masculinity and american jingoism. The actor people actually liked as the character got fired.

I don't see how Superman can beat this.

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>>136908011
I have to side with >>136908071 in terms of the market. I do think Reeves-style is the way to go, as colorful and optimistic as possible, but I think Warner needs to cool their heels for five years or so while audiences get over the total saturation that Disney-Marvel's running.


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>>136907390
>Noones going to see a new Superman movie even if it is family friendly and bright and colorful because they already got that from every MCU movie.
i don't think that's true. sure, in recent years there hasn't been much in the way of proper superman media outside comics, but i think you're forgetting just how many people know who superman is. i mean, he's *the* superhero! and, the truth is, marvel movies are kind of losing their luster. they haven't been colourful, friendly movies in a while. they're kind of bogged down by trying to be pseudo-political thrillers and the militarizing of their characters. plus everything's super desaturated, too. i think a good superman movie could clean house at the box office with the right marketing. some "you'll believe a man can fly" type stuff.

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>>136908011
More people nowadays care about and like Ant-Man than Superman. Even with how bad the last movie was.


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>>136908028
Fuck. With how he desexualized the girls in GOTG you know he'll make power girl get rid of her boob window. We can't win.

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>>136908107
Nah, even the modern comics and that Superhero Girls cartoon kept the boob window, but made her breasts smaller. It's too iconic to get rid of at this point.


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>>136908011
I have to side with >>136908071 in terms of the market. I do think Reeves-style is the way to go, as colorful and optimistic as possible, but I think Warner needs to cool their heels for five years or so while audiences get over the total saturation that Disney-Marvel's running.

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>>136908133
anon by the time Disney gives up on the MCU they'll have soured the superhero genre for the next two decades. and they're not gonna give up anytime soon.


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>“I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” says Gunn. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”

>“It’s easier to take a character nobody knows, like the Guardians, or Peacemaker, and then do whatever you want with them,” says Gunn. “People in every single country in the world know the story of Superman.” It’s one reason he turned down a Superman film in 2018 — he didn’t have a take. Now, he says he does.

>“How can I make it different from the Superman movies that have been made so far, but also have it respect all the Superman movies that have been made so far?” he asks. “So it just took me some time to try to figure it out.” The movie won’t be a comedy, he says, and it’s not like he’s going to make Superman one of the quirky characters he is famous for. Gunn is intent on making a sincere superhero movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-cast-saved-james-gunn-1235401687/

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>>136896922 (OP)
Scoreboard. Gunn has made at least one movie I kinda of like which is one more than Snyder, so he gets one movie's worth of benefit of the doubt.


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>>136907993
Well, it's not like Darkseid makes much of a habit of ruining his plans time after time. Plus, Darkseid doesn't bother Lex because he's closer to how Lex would be if he had Superman's powers.
Or how he thinks he'd be. I kind of liked the bit in All Star Superman where having his Powers briefly forced Lex to see things from his perspective.

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>>136908065
>Well, it's not like Darkseid makes much of a habit of ruining his plans time after time.
Not deliberately maybe, but I mean...don't parademon raids and his control over Intergang (remember when Intergang was a thing Darkseid founded to advance his schemes?) and the occasional Fury raids on Earth at least somewhat disrupt Lex's operations?

Like I know the real reason Lex hates Superman is because he's the cool kid Lex can never be outside a boardroom, but you'd think on average Apokoliptan operations at least tangentially interfere with the market.

This is borderline heresy but I appreciate that the New 52 at least gave some thought to Lex approaching Apokolips as a problem to be solved. Granted they very, very quickly cut the plot where he was going to rule the planet after Darkseid died and he got the Omega Effect because Lex is editorially mandated as a pain in Superman's ass but it's the thought that counts.

>>136908083
This is why Killer Frost was so OP in the DCAU. Ice is a good way to take someone out of a fight without killing them onscreen.

>>136908047
I feel like everything he said here is applicable to Darkseid on a much bigger scale. Like fuck, if he's buttmad at X-ray vision then the Omega Effect can outright erase people from existence, teleport across interstellar distances and RESURRECT THE DEAD.


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>>136908014
>everyone in the DCAU is weak to electricity for some reason
Electrocution is family-friendly!

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>>136908065
>Well, it's not like Darkseid makes much of a habit of ruining his plans time after time.
Not deliberately maybe, but I mean...don't parademon raids and his control over Intergang (remember when Intergang was a thing Darkseid founded to advance his schemes?) and the occasional Fury raids on Earth at least somewhat disrupt Lex's operations?

Like I know the real reason Lex hates Superman is because he's the cool kid Lex can never be outside a boardroom, but you'd think on average Apokoliptan operations at least tangentially interfere with the market.

This is borderline heresy but I appreciate that the New 52 at least gave some thought to Lex approaching Apokolips as a problem to be solved. Granted they very, very quickly cut the plot where he was going to rule the planet after Darkseid died and he got the Omega Effect because Lex is editorially mandated as a pain in Superman's ass but it's the thought that counts.

>>136908083
This is why Killer Frost was so OP in the DCAU. Ice is a good way to take someone out of a fight without killing them onscreen.

>>136908047
I feel like everything he said here is applicable to Darkseid on a much bigger scale. Like fuck, if he's buttmad at X-ray vision then the Omega Effect can outright erase people from existence, teleport across interstellar distances and RESURRECT THE DEAD.


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>>136907993
https://youtu.be/MZCNDwKgi7o [Embed]

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>>136908065
>Well, it's not like Darkseid makes much of a habit of ruining his plans time after time.
Not deliberately maybe, but I mean...don't parademon raids and his control over Intergang (remember when Intergang was a thing Darkseid founded to advance his schemes?) and the occasional Fury raids on Earth at least somewhat disrupt Lex's operations?

Like I know the real reason Lex hates Superman is because he's the cool kid Lex can never be outside a boardroom, but you'd think on average Apokoliptan operations at least tangentially interfere with the market.

This is borderline heresy but I appreciate that the New 52 at least gave some thought to Lex approaching Apokolips as a problem to be solved. Granted they very, very quickly cut the plot where he was going to rule the planet after Darkseid died and he got the Omega Effect because Lex is editorially mandated as a pain in Superman's ass but it's the thought that counts.

>>136908083
This is why Killer Frost was so OP in the DCAU. Ice is a good way to take someone out of a fight without killing them onscreen.

>>136908047
I feel like everything he said here is applicable to Darkseid on a much bigger scale. Like fuck, if he's buttmad at X-ray vision then the Omega Effect can outright erase people from existence, teleport across interstellar distances and RESURRECT THE DEAD.


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>>136908011
>plus everything's super desaturated, too
The Market isn't. The market is oversaturated. The market has too many of the characters, and they're all derivative of the original superhero in one way or another. And I don't see how he can stand out from the pack and make people want to give him a chance again.
That. And fans have been burned too many times, young kids don't know who Superman is and those that do probably know him from bad media like the snyder movies and prefer marvel characters, political people on twitter and people in hollywood who run shows like the boys and She-Hulk say he's a symbol of racism, toxic masculinity and american jingoism. The actor people actually liked as the character got fired.

I don't see how Superman can beat this.

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>>136908071
>young kids don't know who Superman is
i seriously doubt that. superman isn't just a character, he's a brand. the kind of brand that gets slapped on t-shirts, lunchboxes, underoos, and posters. superman is everywhere, man. the s on his chest may as well stand for merchandising.
>political people on twitter and people in hollywood ... say he's a symbol of racism, toxic masculinity and american jingoism
i can speak as a political person on twitter, and a proud footsoldier in the woke mob, that people generally like superman. i find it's usually cape fans who conflate superman with his evil counterparts. nihilism is on the outs with young people, believe it or not. kids want to fight for truth and justice. i think an earnest superman movie could be a hit


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I think Gunn COULD do a decent job on Superman.

He usually likes to focus on a sentimental human element in his capeshit, which is a great fit for Supes moreso than any kind of god "look at him... so powerful..." wankery. On the other hand, the thing he does where he will very casually rework a character into something entirely different to fit his purposes is not a very good fit for supes- but he mentions that he doesn't feel like he can do this with him because everyone knows who Superman is.

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>>136908134
oh christ, i hope he doesn't fuck with Booster Gold


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>>136908046
Because no one else would sign on to do Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and the excitement over WB getting Gunn for Suicide Squad made Disney realize the public didn't care all that much about tasteless jokes from the Troma guy.

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>>136908116
His Suicide Squad bombed though.


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>>136908028
Fuck. With how he desexualized the girls in GOTG you know he'll make power girl get rid of her boob window. We can't win.

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>>136908107
Yeah Gunn hates boobs.


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>>136908011
More people nowadays care about and like Ant-Man than Superman. Even with how bad the last movie was.

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>>136908149
Ant-Man has been in several billion dollar movies and Superman has never been. Wrap your head around that...


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>>136908116
His Suicide Squad bombed though.

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>>136908182
Yeah but the hype before that was huge enough to change Disney's mind


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>>136907993
I'd never thought of that before you brought it up, but if I had to create a reason on the spot I'd say that Lex is in denial and sees Darkseid as just another alien invader like Mongul or Brainiac, if perhaps one with better PR. And of course Lex will definitely do something about Darkseid, once the REAL menace has been dealt with.

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>>136908050
Hey, speaking of Braniac-that's another weird thing. Lex for whatever reason LIKES to work with villains, even ones that he should know by all rights would gladly stab him in the back. Especially utterly inhuman ones. He and Braniac were besties during the stupid Year of the Villain event, and Sinestro had his back in Forever Evil.

Like if it's someone like Captain Cold I guess it kind of makes sense but it's funny to me how often Lex goes from ranting about Superman the awful alien and then turns around and tries to butter up Sinestro for help in his latest scheme.


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>>136908011
I have to side with >>136908071 in terms of the market. I do think Reeves-style is the way to go, as colorful and optimistic as possible, but I think Warner needs to cool their heels for five years or so while audiences get over the total saturation that Disney-Marvel's running.

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>>136908133
>>136908090
i should've done a better job clarifying that i meant colour saturation. theaters are totally clogged with cape flicks, yeah.


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>>136908071
i meant the actual visuals are desaturated. the colours are drained from the image.

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>>136908133
>>136908090
i should've done a better job clarifying that i meant colour saturation. theaters are totally clogged with cape flicks, yeah.


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>>136908011
I have to side with >>136908071 in terms of the market. I do think Reeves-style is the way to go, as colorful and optimistic as possible, but I think Warner needs to cool their heels for five years or so while audiences get over the total saturation that Disney-Marvel's running.

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>>136908133
Too bad that's not going to happen.

>>136908138
>The Authority.
Right. Because after people mocked the DCEU for being dark depressing and needlessly violent. The best solution is a movie about the superhero team that literally invented and normalized that thing in mainstream comics.


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>>136908133
Too bad that's not going to happen.

>>136908138
>The Authority.
Right. Because after people mocked the DCEU for being dark depressing and needlessly violent. The best solution is a movie about the superhero team that literally invented and normalized that thing in mainstream comics.


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>>136908149
Ant-Man has been in several billion dollar movies and Superman has never been. Wrap your head around that...

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>>136908190
>We live in a timeline where more kids are familiar with Thanos than Superman
Thanks Fortnite...


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>>136908050
Hey, speaking of Braniac-that's another weird thing. Lex for whatever reason LIKES to work with villains, even ones that he should know by all rights would gladly stab him in the back. Especially utterly inhuman ones. He and Braniac were besties during the stupid Year of the Villain event, and Sinestro had his back in Forever Evil.

Like if it's someone like Captain Cold I guess it kind of makes sense but it's funny to me how often Lex goes from ranting about Superman the awful alien and then turns around and tries to butter up Sinestro for help in his latest scheme.

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>>136908216
Les talks a big game about his principles but the truth is he has none. He has goals, and the top of this list is "kill Superman." The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.


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>>136908133
Too bad that's not going to happen.

>>136908138
>The Authority.
Right. Because after people mocked the DCEU for being dark depressing and needlessly violent. The best solution is a movie about the superhero team that literally invented and normalized that thing in mainstream comics.

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>>136908228
The Authority is also the second movie in Gunn’s DCU. Right in between his Superman and Batman.


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>>136908216
Les talks a big game about his principles but the truth is he has none. He has goals, and the top of this list is "kill Superman." The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.

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>>136908266
I swear there's a panel where he says he feels a kinship with the Joker too.


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>>136908071
>young kids don't know who Superman is
i seriously doubt that. superman isn't just a character, he's a brand. the kind of brand that gets slapped on t-shirts, lunchboxes, underoos, and posters. superman is everywhere, man. the s on his chest may as well stand for merchandising.
>political people on twitter and people in hollywood ... say he's a symbol of racism, toxic masculinity and american jingoism
i can speak as a political person on twitter, and a proud footsoldier in the woke mob, that people generally like superman. i find it's usually cape fans who conflate superman with his evil counterparts. nihilism is on the outs with young people, believe it or not. kids want to fight for truth and justice. i think an earnest superman movie could be a hit

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>>136908178
>i can speak as a political person on twitter, and a proud footsoldier in the woke mob, that people generally like superman.
See. >>136903648


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>>136903096
Right. Because the values of a straight white in-shape male small town churchgoer from republcian kansas would be exactly the same as a modern day atheist, big city, genders study major millenial who sees truth as relative, justice as a lie to excuse political corruption, and the american way as racist.

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>>136908178
>i can speak as a political person on twitter, and a proud footsoldier in the woke mob, that people generally like superman.
See. >>136903648


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>>136908228
The Authority is also the second movie in Gunn’s DCU. Right in between his Superman and Batman.

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>>136908270
>Waller
...who asked for this?
>Paradise Lost
https://collider.com/paradise-lost-series-themyscira/
This is going to be impressively awful holy shit


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>>136908228
The Authority is also the second movie in Gunn’s DCU. Right in between his Superman and Batman.

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>>136908270
What is he thinking!?