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>>136837689 (OP)
who the fuck was asking for beast war shite?

literally copypaste the transformer designs from bumblebee and have autobros and deceptichads.

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>>136861143
People love Beast Wars. People liked the Bumblebee design style. Beast Wars recently had a major anniversary year, around the time Rise of the Beasts was originally supposed to come out.

It's not hard to imagine that people would want Bumblebee-style Beast Wars content during a Beast Wars-heavy time period. The problem is that they went backwards to the Bay design style.


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>>136860347
you gotta try harder than that

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>>136860381
>>136860395
>>136860412
>>136860431
Facts is facts. This is what the people want. Not big blocks of stupid.


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>>136860347
>shit opinions keep getting posted
>number of posters stays the same
You may samefag as much as you like, but it won't make you right.

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>>136860381
>>136860395
>>136860412
>>136860431
Facts is facts. This is what the people want. Not big blocks of stupid.


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>>136860347
Fucking pleb

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>>136860381
>>136860395
>>136860412
>>136860431
Facts is facts. This is what the people want. Not big blocks of stupid.


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>>136860347

Counterpoint: this is the bet damn Optimus design in the entire film series, possibly the whole franchise.

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>>136860381
>>136860395
>>136860412
>>136860431
Facts is facts. This is what the people want. Not big blocks of stupid.


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>>136860381
>>136860395
>>136860412
>>136860431
Facts is facts. This is what the people want. Not big blocks of stupid.

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>>136861205
This is the epitome of visual clutter. You just posted fucking nothing.


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https://sffgazette.com/sci_fi/movies/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-described-as-a-mess-by-insiders-and-a5126

Autobros... Deceptichads...

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>>136837689 (OP)
Being bad never really stopped transformers before


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>>136860381
>>136860395
>>136860412
>>136860431
Facts is facts. This is what the people want. Not big blocks of stupid.

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>>136861205
How can you find value in trying to get a rise out of strangers online?


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>>136861143
People love Beast Wars. People liked the Bumblebee design style. Beast Wars recently had a major anniversary year, around the time Rise of the Beasts was originally supposed to come out.

It's not hard to imagine that people would want Bumblebee-style Beast Wars content during a Beast Wars-heavy time period. The problem is that they went backwards to the Bay design style.

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>>136861201
> we will never get this kino design again

big sad.


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>>136837689 (OP)
who the fuck was asking for beast war shite?

literally copypaste the transformer designs from bumblebee and have autobros and deceptichads.

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>>136861143
how old and out of touch are you?


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>>136861205
This is the epitome of visual clutter. You just posted fucking nothing.

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>>136861212
It's literally a robot made of car parts. You know what a Transformer is SUPPOSED TO BE.


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>>136861201
> we will never get this kino design again

big sad.

[Assistant] >>136861229


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>>136860948

Compared Bay to Hitler.

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>>136860982
Is that woman mental?


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>>136861201
> we will never get this kino design again

big sad.

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>>136861229
>>136861358
and then his movie bombed


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>>136861229
>>136861358
and then his movie bombed


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>>136860982
Is that woman mental?

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>>136861856

Honestly, there are some horror stories about Bay's..."style". Shia once told a story about how the scene had him run from some bulldogs when they were filming the first TF movie, and the whole time Bay was watching and "giggling with glee".


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>>136861358
It still looks like bayformer Bumblebee’s face


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https://sffgazette.com/sci_fi/movies/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-described-as-a-mess-by-insiders-and-a5126

Autobros... Deceptichads...

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>>136837689 (OP)
>Literally open Bumbebee with a full on War of Cybertron
>Drop it entirely and shift to multiverse
Good, I hope it fucking flops and we never get another Transformers movie since Hasbro are complete retards with their IPs


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>>136861143
People love Beast Wars. People liked the Bumblebee design style. Beast Wars recently had a major anniversary year, around the time Rise of the Beasts was originally supposed to come out.

It's not hard to imagine that people would want Bumblebee-style Beast Wars content during a Beast Wars-heavy time period. The problem is that they went backwards to the Bay design style.

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>>136861201
>The problem is that they went backwards to the Bay design style.
Shatter and Dropkick already looked like Bay AoE and TLK designs


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>>136861201
> we will never get this kino design again

big sad.

[Assistant] >>136861229


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>>136861229
>>136861358
and then his movie bombed

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>>136861874
It didn't.


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>>136861201
>The problem is that they went backwards to the Bay design style.
Shatter and Dropkick already looked like Bay AoE and TLK designs

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>>136862118
They didn't. they were more Bay-y than Bumblebee, but they were closer to the original trilogy designs than the AOE style. AOE style has a lot more curves and even more creepy detailed faces. Even being closer to the OT style, Shatter and Dropkick were still more Bumblebee-style in their colour schemes (actually having colour) and kibble silhouette.
>>136861874
Nope. It didn't do as well as previous movies, but it was still a success. See >>136851291


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>>136861229
>>136861358
and then his movie bombed

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>>136862118
They didn't. they were more Bay-y than Bumblebee, but they were closer to the original trilogy designs than the AOE style. AOE style has a lot more curves and even more creepy detailed faces. Even being closer to the OT style, Shatter and Dropkick were still more Bumblebee-style in their colour schemes (actually having colour) and kibble silhouette.
>>136861874
Nope. It didn't do as well as previous movies, but it was still a success. See >>136851291


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>>136852747
>Critics liked Bumblebee because it was a girl movie
And this a big issue as Transformers is a boy’s franchise. Boys are not gonna want to see a movie with a female protagonist. If she was the love interest, then sure. But as the main character, hell no.
>it had a black as the love interest
Not even. That guy got friendzoned HARD.

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>>136857112
>And this a big issue as Transformers is a boy’s franchise. Boys are not gonna want to see a movie with a female protagonist. If she was the love interest, then sure. But as the main character, hell no
To me it's not even about the girl lead, it's about the kind of movie it is. Bumblebee is a "cute" movie, it's a "feels" movie, undercut with some action and shit boys will like but mainly feels like it's trying to appeal to young teen girls. It feels the opposite of how these movies typically are, which is loaded with shit teen boys will like, undercut with some obligatory romance and girl power moments. And why would Transformers ever be something that is for teen girls?

That's the problem, Bumblebee is just reverse Bayformers....it's the same thing, just twisted in a different direction. It's still a movie about human drama where robots are secondary characters. I feel like people pretend it isn't and it's dumb. Sure you can say Bumblebee is a bit more tight narratively and such and sure fine, but it's really irrelevant when it still manages to make all the same story mistakes of Bayformers, only this time it's not a movie for testosterone fueled teen boys, but estrogen fueled teen girls. BUT IT'S THE SAME DAMN FORMULA, it didn't reinvent the wheel like people who liked it act like, not in the slightest. They even repeat the same exact ET/Iron Giant bullshit with Bumblebee + human teen.

Hasbro with some of their recent offerings like BB, Earthspark, and ROTB seems to be under the impression that if they pander to the Twitter crowd that that's their meal ticket, but they should really learn that those aren't the people who buy their products.


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>>136859888
Megan Fox in the TF movies is such a weird story
>First movie
plays a character that's infinitely more interesting, likeable, developed, and proactive than the main character
>Second movie
Is written to be an annoying girlfriend for some reason, changing her characterization
>Third movie
booted out of the production for calling out the director on his usual bullshit, gets replaced by a character/actor that only lasts one movie anyways

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>>136860080
>written to be an annoying girlfriend for some reason,
Writer strike


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>>136860080
>written to be an annoying girlfriend for some reason,
Writer strike

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>>136862409
Even then, you could just... not do that.


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>>136850581
>Michael Bay's Transformers movies weren't exactly beloved among critics and fans
GeeWon-fags still seething over the success of the first 3 bayformers, I see. My question is why? They had just as much integrity as "The Transformers: The Movie" (i.e. none) and defined an entire generation of films

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>>136860276
>They had just as much integrity as "The Transformers: The Movie"
No, not really. Transformers The Movie wanted to be a movie about Transformers, the live action films do not, they want to be movies that happen around Transformers.

And Bumblebeefags aren't G1ers, quit conflating things. Bumblebee and Bayformers are two sides of the same coin.


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>>136860276
>They had just as much integrity as "The Transformers: The Movie"
No, not really. Transformers The Movie wanted to be a movie about Transformers, the live action films do not, they want to be movies that happen around Transformers.

And Bumblebeefags aren't G1ers, quit conflating things. Bumblebee and Bayformers are two sides of the same coin.

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>>136862812
Just say you don't like live action adaptations.


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>>136861212
It's literally a robot made of car parts. You know what a Transformer is SUPPOSED TO BE.

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>>136861242
A good Transformer design is one where you can see how the robot design can turn into a vehicle, Bayformers are retarded because it's just a bunch of greeble shit that cheats the fuck out of that very feature.


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>>136837689 (OP)
>Literally open Bumbebee with a full on War of Cybertron
>Drop it entirely and shift to multiverse
Good, I hope it fucking flops and we never get another Transformers movie since Hasbro are complete retards with their IPs

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>>136862048
>Drop it entirely and shift to multiverse
Wait, what?


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>>136861856

Honestly, there are some horror stories about Bay's..."style". Shia once told a story about how the scene had him run from some bulldogs when they were filming the first TF movie, and the whole time Bay was watching and "giggling with glee".

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>>136861907
Honestly seeing legit fear from Shia over some trained bulldogs would be funny to watch.


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>>136862812
Just say you don't like live action adaptations.

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>>136862987
I like live action adaptions when they're good, like picrel. It would be great if Transformers had a live action movie like that, but we don't have one. We have mildly amusing distractions that loosely incorporate the brand and titular characters.


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>>136861242
A good Transformer design is one where you can see how the robot design can turn into a vehicle, Bayformers are retarded because it's just a bunch of greeble shit that cheats the fuck out of that very feature.

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>>136863057
Most prominent Bay 1, 2, 3 designs shove "THIS THING TURNS INTO CAR/TRUCK/JET" into your face super hard, I don't see how it cheats this. Trying super hard to show what each robot turns into is how we ended up with Dorito Starscream, I feel like "overdoing it" would make more sense than "cheating it".


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>>136837689 (OP)
>According to a new report, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts is in major trouble, with Paramount Pictures struggling to get the reboot - described as a "mess" - in shape before it arrives in theaters this June.
>Michael Bay's Transformers movies weren't exactly beloved among critics and fans, but they still drew a massive audience and broke box office records at a time it was far from commonplace for blockbusters to earn $1 billion worldwide.
>Bumblebee was meant to serve as a fresh start but, with franchise fatigue setting in, its $468 million haul wasn't enough for the reboot to be deemed a true hit.
>Now, Paramount Pictures is taking another crack at the property with Transformers: Rise of the Beasts. Capitalising on 90s nostalgia and attempting to do something truly new by introducing the Maximals, the hope is that this fresh start could usher in a new era of storytelling. The marketing campaign currently feels a little muted, though, and there might be a good reason for that.
>Talking on The Hot Mic, Jeff Sneider claims that there are major issues with the movie ahead of its June release.
>"They're getting a little worried about 'Transformers,'" he explains. "This is what they said, they said that 'Transformers' has gone through close to a dozen different editing teams that have argued about different cuts of the film."

The podcast's co-host, John Rocha, took those comments a step further, describing it as a "mess" that the studio is "trying to fix it."

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>>136850581
>"This is what they said, they said that 'Transformers' has gone through close to a dozen different editing teams that have argued about different cuts of the film."

This really comes across as the director just being a hired gun. The on-screen footage we've seen already suggested that was the case.


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https://sffgazette.com/sci_fi/movies/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-described-as-a-mess-by-insiders-and-a5126

Autobros... Deceptichads...

[Assistant] >>136837689 (OP)


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>>136863057
Most prominent Bay 1, 2, 3 designs shove "THIS THING TURNS INTO CAR/TRUCK/JET" into your face super hard, I don't see how it cheats this. Trying super hard to show what each robot turns into is how we ended up with Dorito Starscream, I feel like "overdoing it" would make more sense than "cheating it".

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>>136863393
The fuck are you talking about? The vast majority of the Bay designs just did a bunch of little moving parts for the actual transformations to disguise that they never actually had an actual transformation sequence. It's why all the movie toys have been infamously shit, there is no actual transition in mind with the designs. Even worse when they're all just walking piles of shrapnel with maybe a couple of tires or car doors as a vestige.


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>>136863393
The fuck are you talking about? The vast majority of the Bay designs just did a bunch of little moving parts for the actual transformations to disguise that they never actually had an actual transformation sequence. It's why all the movie toys have been infamously shit, there is no actual transition in mind with the designs. Even worse when they're all just walking piles of shrapnel with maybe a couple of tires or car doors as a vestige.

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>>136863468
>but da toys
God you're dumb


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>>136863468
>but da toys
God you're dumb

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>>136863508

I guess Hasbro/Takara are the biggest retards then going by this logic.


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>>136863468
>but da toys
God you're dumb

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>>136863508
And you're retarded if you can't see why the movie designs being practically unadaptable in toy form for a franchise that started off as being based on physical toys is a bad thing. Not that I care much about the toys these days since I only fell in that demo around the first movie but the whole point of the franchise is that they're giant robots that can transform, it's in the name for Christ's sake.


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>>136863393
The fuck are you talking about? The vast majority of the Bay designs just did a bunch of little moving parts for the actual transformations to disguise that they never actually had an actual transformation sequence. It's why all the movie toys have been infamously shit, there is no actual transition in mind with the designs. Even worse when they're all just walking piles of shrapnel with maybe a couple of tires or car doors as a vestige.

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>>136863468
>>136863591
We’ve gotten plenty great, on model Bayformer toys now.
>but they cheat!
So does every other modern MP figure


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>>136863508
And you're retarded if you can't see why the movie designs being practically unadaptable in toy form for a franchise that started off as being based on physical toys is a bad thing. Not that I care much about the toys these days since I only fell in that demo around the first movie but the whole point of the franchise is that they're giant robots that can transform, it's in the name for Christ's sake.

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>>136863468
>>136863591
We’ve gotten plenty great, on model Bayformer toys now.
>but they cheat!
So does every other modern MP figure


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>>136863508
And you're retarded if you can't see why the movie designs being practically unadaptable in toy form for a franchise that started off as being based on physical toys is a bad thing. Not that I care much about the toys these days since I only fell in that demo around the first movie but the whole point of the franchise is that they're giant robots that can transform, it's in the name for Christ's sake.

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>>136863591
>but the whole point of the franchise is that they're giant robots that can transform, it's in the name for Christ's sake.
Which is exactly what they fucking do in the movies. The designs even show you what parts of the vehicle become what parts of the robot.


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>>136863468
>>136863591
We’ve gotten plenty great, on model Bayformer toys now.
>but they cheat!
So does every other modern MP figure

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>>136863647

Except AoE/TLK Prime. He's still meh. Not awful like the original release, but it took them years to get to "meh" quality.


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>>136863393
The fuck are you talking about? The vast majority of the Bay designs just did a bunch of little moving parts for the actual transformations to disguise that they never actually had an actual transformation sequence. It's why all the movie toys have been infamously shit, there is no actual transition in mind with the designs. Even worse when they're all just walking piles of shrapnel with maybe a couple of tires or car doors as a vestige.

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>>136863468
>It's why all the movie toys have been infamously shit
I will say that's not entirely true, the live action movie lines definitely had ups and downs but had some pretty good toys.

What's also true though is that they often don't act the same way of "robot made of the vehicle mode" in the same way as other ones do. Big chunks of vehicle don't form a robot, they fold away to conceal themselves around the robot within, Bayformers are like a big robot base body that has some vehicle bits stuck to it, it's similar to shellformers only they're not really shellformers because the shell actually does transform and go away, it's just not part of the transformation in the traditional way of actually making up the bulk of the bot


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>>136863647

Except AoE/TLK Prime. He's still meh. Not awful like the original release, but it took them years to get to "meh" quality.

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>>136863753
If a design can be made in physical form and still reasonably work, then I'm okay with the design on screen.
However, yes, the on-screen transformations cheat like fucking crazy. Optimus does not transform the same way twice across all the movies, frequently with robot parts being formed from completely different vehicle parts.


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Knight Optimus Prime ie. The design from AoE and TLK is when things went downhill, especially for TF movie figures. It's no surprise that audience actually started hating the films aa much as the critics by then.

The only good figure of that Prime was an unofficial third party figure.

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>>136863453
AoE and TLK were bad mainly because they were overly convoluted, boring, and charmless


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>>136863468
>>136863591
We’ve gotten plenty great, on model Bayformer toys now.
>but they cheat!
So does every other modern MP figure

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>>136863647
I mean they cheat to an absurd degree like >>136863941 says

>>136863648
At best you'll usually just see some tires and car doors, that's about it.


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>>136863468
>It's why all the movie toys have been infamously shit
I will say that's not entirely true, the live action movie lines definitely had ups and downs but had some pretty good toys.

What's also true though is that they often don't act the same way of "robot made of the vehicle mode" in the same way as other ones do. Big chunks of vehicle don't form a robot, they fold away to conceal themselves around the robot within, Bayformers are like a big robot base body that has some vehicle bits stuck to it, it's similar to shellformers only they're not really shellformers because the shell actually does transform and go away, it's just not part of the transformation in the traditional way of actually making up the bulk of the bot

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>>136863647
I mean they cheat to an absurd degree like >>136863941 says

>>136863648
At best you'll usually just see some tires and car doors, that's about it.


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>>136863591
>but the whole point of the franchise is that they're giant robots that can transform, it's in the name for Christ's sake.
Which is exactly what they fucking do in the movies. The designs even show you what parts of the vehicle become what parts of the robot.

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>>136863647
I mean they cheat to an absurd degree like >>136863941 says

>>136863648
At best you'll usually just see some tires and car doors, that's about it.


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>>136852747
>>136856095
The first Bayformers felt pretty decent, except for the designs, the bullshit with Jazz and the "racing movie" color filters.

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>>136856241
>Jazz dies a shit death
>No Prowl
Movie sucked. Liked the soundtrack, though.


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>>136863753
If a design can be made in physical form and still reasonably work, then I'm okay with the design on screen.
However, yes, the on-screen transformations cheat like fucking crazy. Optimus does not transform the same way twice across all the movies, frequently with robot parts being formed from completely different vehicle parts.

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>>136864000

This toy is an enigma for me.

On one hand, it represents the pinnacke of Transformers engineering, but unofficial. On the other hand, it represents the worst Bayformers movies.

Their AoE Galvatron is the same thing in a way.


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>>136856241
>Jazz dies a shit death
>No Prowl
Movie sucked. Liked the soundtrack, though.

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>>136865041
Barricade is cooler than Prowl, I'll give the movies a bone


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>>136865041
Barricade is cooler than Prowl, I'll give the movies a bone

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>>136865800
I will give Bay that, Barricade is insanely cool.


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>>136863753
If a design can be made in physical form and still reasonably work, then I'm okay with the design on screen.
However, yes, the on-screen transformations cheat like fucking crazy. Optimus does not transform the same way twice across all the movies, frequently with robot parts being formed from completely different vehicle parts.

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>>136864000

>Optimus does not transform the same way twice across all the movies

Thats on purpose, to show how malleable and unique their physiology is.


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>>136865800
I will give Bay that, Barricade is insanely cool.

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>>136865955

Funny thing about Barricade outside the movies. He's either a cool looking evil riot cop, or a Prowl repaint.


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>>136865955

Funny thing about Barricade outside the movies. He's either a cool looking evil riot cop, or a Prowl repaint.

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>>136866142
I liked him in the IDW comics. I'd heard he was in IDW2, but I never really read that. I do like his paint-job in it, though.


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>>136865955

Funny thing about Barricade outside the movies. He's either a cool looking evil riot cop, or a Prowl repaint.

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>>136866142
>>136866418

I like his Beyond Reality design.


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>>136866142
I liked him in the IDW comics. I'd heard he was in IDW2, but I never really read that. I do like his paint-job in it, though.

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>>136866142
>>136866418

I like his Beyond Reality design.


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Autobros... Deceptichads...

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>>136837689 (OP)
They have two options:
1. Finish Bay's story then do a hard reboot.
2. Just reboot. They want their cake and eat it too by keeping most of Bay's elements and mixing them with GeeWun nostalgia fest, but it's not working at all. How do you expect me to give a fuck about Beast Wars characters appearing when I know it's going to be another run-of-the-mill TF movie where the main focus is on the humans?

Fuck sake, Paramount is run by idiots, Sonic and Tom Cruise are saving their ass.


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>>136866142
>>136866418

I like his Beyond Reality design.

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>>136866512
He looks really sick there, I love his little hat. I do hope we see him in a cartoon soon.


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>>136837689 (OP)
They have two options:
1. Finish Bay's story then do a hard reboot.
2. Just reboot. They want their cake and eat it too by keeping most of Bay's elements and mixing them with GeeWun nostalgia fest, but it's not working at all. How do you expect me to give a fuck about Beast Wars characters appearing when I know it's going to be another run-of-the-mill TF movie where the main focus is on the humans?

Fuck sake, Paramount is run by idiots, Sonic and Tom Cruise are saving their ass.

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>>136866598
>2. Just reboot.
They did. Bumblebee was a hard reboot. Was.


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>>136861242
A good Transformer design is one where you can see how the robot design can turn into a vehicle, Bayformers are retarded because it's just a bunch of greeble shit that cheats the fuck out of that very feature.

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>>136863057
Not that anon but you got to keep in mind that many normalfags prefer the cluttered greebleshit designs. This is just my personal experience but I have talked to a number of people who hated more humanlike faces and visible vehicle chunks because they considered the insectoid alien faces and the visually messy body parts "cool", and they thought that designs with big, recognizable vehicle surfaces and bright colors are too childish and cartoony.
To be fair, I haven't really liked how some of the humanlike faces were handled in the movies either.


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>>136866598
>2. Just reboot.
They did. Bumblebee was a hard reboot. Was.

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>>136866812
If Bumblebee was a hard reboot, why did they still use BayBee complete with his damaged voice? To me, it was just a movie that didn't know what it was and didn't answer any questions, soft reboot? hard reboot? prequel? all of the above?

Hell, even the Bayformers films themselves practically soft rebooted with each movie, retelling the origin of Transformers on Earth in new ways every single time


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>>136866812
If Bumblebee was a hard reboot, why did they still use BayBee complete with his damaged voice? To me, it was just a movie that didn't know what it was and didn't answer any questions, soft reboot? hard reboot? prequel? all of the above?

Hell, even the Bayformers films themselves practically soft rebooted with each movie, retelling the origin of Transformers on Earth in new ways every single time

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>>136866936

Considering Hasbro still won't say what it is, they probably don't know themselves. Still.


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>>136866812
If Bumblebee was a hard reboot, why did they still use BayBee complete with his damaged voice? To me, it was just a movie that didn't know what it was and didn't answer any questions, soft reboot? hard reboot? prequel? all of the above?

Hell, even the Bayformers films themselves practically soft rebooted with each movie, retelling the origin of Transformers on Earth in new ways every single time

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>>136866936
"Hard reboot" means "new continuity". That's it. It can use concepts from previous continuities, but those are new instances of those concepts, not connective references.
Bumblebee is a hard reboot. Its story is wholly incompatible with the previous movies. It has references to both G1 and Bayverse as fun nods, nothing more. (Though those Bayverse refs are actually holdovers from when the movie actually WAS connected to Bayverse in preproduction.)

A "soft reboot" is where a new entry for a series takes on a new story and/or style direction, but remains in continuity with the previous entries.
Age of Extinction is a soft reboot of the previous three Bayverse movies. There's a practically new cast, the design elements of the robot characters get a refresh, and the story heads in a new direction. However, it still continues as an extension of the previous stories.


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>>136854596
I still remember seeing Revenge of the Fallen in theaters. These two black dads brought their kids to see the movie while their wives were seeing a different movie. Every time Skids and Mudflap were on screen, the dad next to me was visibly disgusted by them. I don't blame him one bit either, because they were absolutely racist garbage. Between that and Jazz in the first movie, I get the feeling Bay (or at least his writers) has a racist sense of humor.

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>>136856095
at least jazz wasn't as obnoxious or as stereotypical and his death actually felt like a consequence


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>>136866812
If Bumblebee was a hard reboot, why did they still use BayBee complete with his damaged voice? To me, it was just a movie that didn't know what it was and didn't answer any questions, soft reboot? hard reboot? prequel? all of the above?

Hell, even the Bayformers films themselves practically soft rebooted with each movie, retelling the origin of Transformers on Earth in new ways every single time

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>>136866936
>If Bumblebee was a hard reboot, why did they still use BayBee complete with his damaged voice?
Buddy, you know Bumblebee's plot is a retread of the G1 Marvel comics, right? Does that magically make the movie G1? No. Ideas can be reused.


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>>136866936
>If Bumblebee was a hard reboot, why did they still use BayBee complete with his damaged voice?
Buddy, you know Bumblebee's plot is a retread of the G1 Marvel comics, right? Does that magically make the movie G1? No. Ideas can be reused.

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>>136866812
If Bumblebee was a hard reboot, why did they still use BayBee complete with his damaged voice? To me, it was just a movie that didn't know what it was and didn't answer any questions, soft reboot? hard reboot? prequel? all of the above?

Hell, even the Bayformers films themselves practically soft rebooted with each movie, retelling the origin of Transformers on Earth in new ways every single time

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>>136866936
Did you think Prime was connected to Bayverse?


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>>136866936
"Hard reboot" means "new continuity". That's it. It can use concepts from previous continuities, but those are new instances of those concepts, not connective references.
Bumblebee is a hard reboot. Its story is wholly incompatible with the previous movies. It has references to both G1 and Bayverse as fun nods, nothing more. (Though those Bayverse refs are actually holdovers from when the movie actually WAS connected to Bayverse in preproduction.)

A "soft reboot" is where a new entry for a series takes on a new story and/or style direction, but remains in continuity with the previous entries.
Age of Extinction is a soft reboot of the previous three Bayverse movies. There's a practically new cast, the design elements of the robot characters get a refresh, and the story heads in a new direction. However, it still continues as an extension of the previous stories.

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>>136867048
Did anybody explicitly say Bumblebee was a new continuity? If so I never saw it


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>>136867048
Did anybody explicitly say Bumblebee was a new continuity? If so I never saw it

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>>136867315
Yes. The movie itself. By not fitting into the continuity of the previous films in multiple, major aspects.


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>>136867048
Did anybody explicitly say Bumblebee was a new continuity? If so I never saw it

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>>136867315

The closest we've ever gotten is Hasbro calling it "a new storytelling universe" because no one at Paramount OR Hasbro has the balls to finally cut the cord.


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>>136867048
Did anybody explicitly say Bumblebee was a new continuity? If so I never saw it

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>>136867315
Even IF someone official explicitly put on the record that is was anew universe, people would still argue against it. Nevermind what >>136867333 said.

For example, there are people that still passionately argue that Beast Wars is directly connected to the G1 cartoon, despite both BW and Hasbro saying otherwise.


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>>136867315
Yes. The movie itself. By not fitting into the continuity of the previous films in multiple, major aspects.

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>>136867315
Even IF someone official explicitly put on the record that is was anew universe, people would still argue against it. Nevermind what >>136867333 said.

For example, there are people that still passionately argue that Beast Wars is directly connected to the G1 cartoon, despite both BW and Hasbro saying otherwise.


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>>136867315

The closest we've ever gotten is Hasbro calling it "a new storytelling universe" because no one at Paramount OR Hasbro has the balls to finally cut the cord.

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>>136867350
They also have producers that literally do not understand the concept of a reboot. In the film industry.


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>>136867350
They also have producers that literally do not understand the concept of a reboot. In the film industry.

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>>136867395

Or understand, but are too resistant to let go of, what that hack Lorenzo calls, "the Bayhem".


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>>136867315
Even IF someone official explicitly put on the record that is was anew universe, people would still argue against it. Nevermind what >>136867333 said.

For example, there are people that still passionately argue that Beast Wars is directly connected to the G1 cartoon, despite both BW and Hasbro saying otherwise.

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>>136867378
>argue that Beast Wars is directly connected to the G1 cartoon, despite both BW and Hasbro saying otherwise.
When did BW or Hasbro say otherwise?

>>136867333
>By not fitting into the continuity of the previous films in multiple, major aspects
None of the previous films fit into the continuity of the ones before them either. Every Bayformers movie reinvents their story.


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>>136867315
Yes. The movie itself. By not fitting into the continuity of the previous films in multiple, major aspects.

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>>136867378
>argue that Beast Wars is directly connected to the G1 cartoon, despite both BW and Hasbro saying otherwise.
When did BW or Hasbro say otherwise?

>>136867333
>By not fitting into the continuity of the previous films in multiple, major aspects
None of the previous films fit into the continuity of the ones before them either. Every Bayformers movie reinvents their story.


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>>136867378
>argue that Beast Wars is directly connected to the G1 cartoon, despite both BW and Hasbro saying otherwise.
When did BW or Hasbro say otherwise?

>>136867333
>By not fitting into the continuity of the previous films in multiple, major aspects
None of the previous films fit into the continuity of the ones before them either. Every Bayformers movie reinvents their story.

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>>136867438
Beast Wars is a conceptual sequel to G1, not a direct sequel to any particular G1 story. To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.

Much much much much later, The G1 cartoon, Marvel comics, and Beast Wars cartoon universes were each given official, different designations: universe Primax 984.17 Alpha, universe Primax 984.0 Gamma, and universe Primax 496.22 Alpha.

If you're curious, the Bayverse movies are universe Tyran 707.04 Delta. And while each Bay movie did add more and more to the story, it was just that: adding. The Bayverse comics even went into detail about how they all fit together (though being comics they actually occupy another universe and are not canon to the movies).


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>>136837689 (OP)
>Reportedly "A Mess"

Oh no, who could have seen this coming? Its almost as if the idiot direct was more concerned with non-robot-war things.

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>>136838963
>they animate the robodick transforming into a mechapussy while dubstep noises play


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>>136862151
Man the BB designs were great but why did they turn Ravage into a dog? He's a cat. Come on guys even the Bay films got this right


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>>136862151
Man the BB designs were great but why did they turn Ravage into a dog? He's a cat. Come on guys even the Bay films got this right

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>>136867735
He looks doglike in the cartoons, it's a reference to that.


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>>136862151
Man the BB designs were great but why did they turn Ravage into a dog? He's a cat. Come on guys even the Bay films got this right

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>>136867735
It's a running joke in the franchise, usually in comics, that Ravage gets confused for a dog.


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>>136867048
Did anybody explicitly say Bumblebee was a new continuity? If so I never saw it

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>>136867315
The plot outright contradicts the first movie but there is also a problem where continuity in the Bayverse movies is practically nonexistent already so it could have been either way.


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>>136867438
Beast Wars is a conceptual sequel to G1, not a direct sequel to any particular G1 story. To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.

Much much much much later, The G1 cartoon, Marvel comics, and Beast Wars cartoon universes were each given official, different designations: universe Primax 984.17 Alpha, universe Primax 984.0 Gamma, and universe Primax 496.22 Alpha.

If you're curious, the Bayverse movies are universe Tyran 707.04 Delta. And while each Bay movie did add more and more to the story, it was just that: adding. The Bayverse comics even went into detail about how they all fit together (though being comics they actually occupy another universe and are not canon to the movies).

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>>136867601
Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron? Impressive if so, because those last two movies were a clusterfuck.

>To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.
Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future.

As for all the officially designated universes, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.

I mean I'm fine with BW not being canonically the same universe as G1, cartoon or comic, I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.


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>>136867601
Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron? Impressive if so, because those last two movies were a clusterfuck.

>To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.
Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future.

As for all the officially designated universes, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.

I mean I'm fine with BW not being canonically the same universe as G1, cartoon or comic, I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.

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>>136868155

>Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron?
Not really.

Also fun fact: Larry DiTillio, co head writer of Beast Wars, considered the Marvel Gen 2 comic as canon to the show.
>As with many Transformers stories, humans were targeted during the course of the G2 comic — first by the Decepticons, then the Cybertronian Empire, then the Swarm — culminating in the bombardment of San Francisco. Beast Wars co-story-editor Larry DiTillio would later prefer to envision the end of this series as actually having caused the total extinction of the human species. DiTillio in turn developed his own background for the Vok as being descendants of the Swarm, now attempting to make amends for wiping out humankind


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>>136860157
People who go to the theater which is why KotM bombed so hard.

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>>136860214
Skull Island is the only good Monsterverse movie


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>>136850207
>>136850451

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>>136850671
oh so NOW you faggots like critic scores on RT after bitching about Mario?


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>>136867601
Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron? Impressive if so, because those last two movies were a clusterfuck.

>To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.
Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future.

As for all the officially designated universes, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.

I mean I'm fine with BW not being canonically the same universe as G1, cartoon or comic, I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.

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>>136868155
>, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.
Just ignore whenever someone mentions continuity streams, all those non-cartoon, no-mainstream comics examples of TFmedia are largely written by fanboys who use the official sanction to settle arguments they had on the Allspark forums from 2003.


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>>136838963
>they animate the robodick transforming into a mechapussy while dubstep noises play

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>>136867720
>it looks like the dogflower from The Thing, but mechanical


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>>136867720
>it looks like the dogflower from The Thing, but mechanical

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>>136868479
>it looks like the dogflower from The Thing, but mechanical
Ugh, FINE *unzips pants*


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https://sffgazette.com/sci_fi/movies/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-described-as-a-mess-by-insiders-and-a5126

Autobros... Deceptichads...

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>>136837689 (OP)
>Reportedly "A Mess"
Business as usual for Transformers, what's to be worried about?


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>>136867601
Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron? Impressive if so, because those last two movies were a clusterfuck.

>To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.
Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future.

As for all the officially designated universes, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.

I mean I'm fine with BW not being canonically the same universe as G1, cartoon or comic, I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.

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>>136868155
>Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth
The Dinobots weren't on Earth. The Dinobots were prisoners on Lockdown's ship, and just happened to have dinosaur modes. The dinobots have nothing to do with the dinosaurs that got cyberformed at the beginning of the movie.
>Dragons/knights/Unicron
All of that is explained in The Last Knight
>Quintessa
Literally called "The Great Deceiver"
>The Transformers in WWII
That's explained back in ROTF. The Transformers have been on Earth for a while. The comics even had a miniseries that showed them in different points in history.


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>>136867601
Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron? Impressive if so, because those last two movies were a clusterfuck.

>To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.
Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future.

As for all the officially designated universes, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.

I mean I'm fine with BW not being canonically the same universe as G1, cartoon or comic, I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.

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>>136868155
>I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways
...No? AVP never said they were connected. In fact, that's the whole point of Sideways: he's a dimension hopper. Hopping dimensions doesn't connect them. And there's been FUCKTONS of Transformers media involving dimension hopping.

How are you so bad at understand this concept?


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>>136867601
Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron? Impressive if so, because those last two movies were a clusterfuck.

>To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.
Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future.

As for all the officially designated universes, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.

I mean I'm fine with BW not being canonically the same universe as G1, cartoon or comic, I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.

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>>136868155
Ask Vector Prime wasn't the only media to use the Universal Stream designations.


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>>136860184
Why? Explain your opinion.

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>>136860302
Sorry I didn't reply to you for 9 hours, I hope you see this: My problem with Bumblebee is that it feels unironically soulless. It's safe and sanatized. It's a film that was clearly put together by a committee in a (somewhat successful) effort to pander to as many G1 fans and little kids.as possible. That's why they made the designs more simple and why they cast that pretty boy to voice BB. Also why they cast John fucking Cena to play the main human antagonist. They even had the audacity to blast "You Got The Touch" like they were fully intending the audience to burst into tears and start clapping. I have no respect for such a film.

Bayformers was crass and a little juvenile but it was fun as hell to watch when I was a kid and I still have fond memories of all 3 movies + The Last Night which wasn't complete shit.


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>>136867601
Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron? Impressive if so, because those last two movies were a clusterfuck.

>To form it's G1 history, it mixes concepts from both the G1 cartoon and Marvel comics in ways that makes it incompatible to being connected to one over the other. It also changes details that outright make it incompatible with both: In Beast Wars, the Autobot/Decepticon war STARTED on 80's Earth, and it was a SECRET war. This is all from the dialogue of the show.
Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future.

As for all the officially designated universes, I guess it all comes from whichever person is writing Ask Vector Prime? Which to me is so inconsequential, I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways, that shit is all very fanon-ish to me and I pretty much take it with a grain of salt regarding the real media.

I mean I'm fine with BW not being canonically the same universe as G1, cartoon or comic, I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.

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>>136868155
>I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.
IT DOES
THE VERY IDEA COMES FROM THE SHOW'S SCRIPT
GOD YOU'RE STUPID


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>transformers box offices
>T1: 710M
>T2: 836M
>T3: 1.1B
>T4: 1.1B
>T5: 600M
>Bumblebee: 470M
This franchise lost its steam in the last 2 movies.
I think it is over.

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>>136868916
We already have the numbers ITT: >>136851291


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>>136860302
Sorry I didn't reply to you for 9 hours, I hope you see this: My problem with Bumblebee is that it feels unironically soulless. It's safe and sanatized. It's a film that was clearly put together by a committee in a (somewhat successful) effort to pander to as many G1 fans and little kids.as possible. That's why they made the designs more simple and why they cast that pretty boy to voice BB. Also why they cast John fucking Cena to play the main human antagonist. They even had the audacity to blast "You Got The Touch" like they were fully intending the audience to burst into tears and start clapping. I have no respect for such a film.

Bayformers was crass and a little juvenile but it was fun as hell to watch when I was a kid and I still have fond memories of all 3 movies + The Last Night which wasn't complete shit.

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>>136868919
>The Last Night which wasn't complete shit.
See it's stuff like this that automatically makes me devalue your entire opinion.


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>>136868919
>The Last Night which wasn't complete shit.
See it's stuff like this that automatically makes me devalue your entire opinion.

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>>136868939
It was better than Age of Extinction at least. Low bar I know.


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>>136868916
We already have the numbers ITT: >>136851291

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>>136868932
AAAIIIEEEE


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>>136837689 (OP)
It's genuinely not hard at all to make a good Transformers flick, so why do studios keep trying to make it overcomplicated clusterfucks?

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>>136837729
execs usually try to force the writers to cram more shit from their market research, which can often clash with the initial story or scene tones


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>>136854355
It is when the robots are basically just blank exposition machines to lead the convoluted plot. The Prime Wars and Netflix trilogies are also all robot lead and they suck because no one has any memorable characterization.
This entire movie seems to exist to be a convoluted explanation for a soft reboot. Bringing in the time travel elements of BW THIS early while also tying it to the last Bay movie sounds so convoluted it's going to be completely lost on people. BW established it's setting and audience before going deeper into lore.

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>>136857332
>Bringing in the time travel elements of BW THIS early while also tying it to the last Bay movie
excuse me? this is the first time I hear of any attempts to revive the bayverse using a complete reboot


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>>136837689 (OP)
Well that's just prime

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>>136843991
Nice


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>>136868939
It was better than Age of Extinction at least. Low bar I know.

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>>136868953
it really wasn't because at least aoe didn't constantly change its aspect ratio every 3 fucking seconds
knight is genuinely an unwatchable movie for me because that shit is making me nauseous after 5 minutes


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>>136868953
it really wasn't because at least aoe didn't constantly change its aspect ratio every 3 fucking seconds
knight is genuinely an unwatchable movie for me because that shit is making me nauseous after 5 minutes

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>>136869724
That was because of IMAX.


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>>136857332
>Bringing in the time travel elements of BW THIS early while also tying it to the last Bay movie
excuse me? this is the first time I hear of any attempts to revive the bayverse using a complete reboot

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>>136869676
It's still just rumors now, and the movie seems to be in the process of being recut, but the idea seems to be that the villains come from the future after the 5th Bay movie where Unicron was defeated, so he has the Terrorcons,the villains of this movie, travel back in time to mess with the timeline so he wins. The Maximals stole the Terrorcon's key somehow and came from the Beast Planet from TF cybertron/IDW.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is all cut because it sounds ridiculously convoluted.


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>>136868155
>I mean according to that shit Bayformers is connected to the Unicron Trilogy because of Sideways
...No? AVP never said they were connected. In fact, that's the whole point of Sideways: he's a dimension hopper. Hopping dimensions doesn't connect them. And there's been FUCKTONS of Transformers media involving dimension hopping.

How are you so bad at understand this concept?

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>>136868849
It connects them via literally sharing a character, point is....it was just a random usage of the same name really like TF always does, does anyone really consider ROTF Sideways to be the same guy as Sideways from Armada because a nerd decided to say it was him on a whim even though we all know he was never supposed to be the same guy?

>>136868920
Oh yeah? Where in the show's script does it say "this is Universe Apex whatever, a totally different universe than Universe Gligax such and such"


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>>136868155
>I just don't really care much about goofy second hand stuff like that myself, it holds more weight if it comes from the people who actually wrote the show.
IT DOES
THE VERY IDEA COMES FROM THE SHOW'S SCRIPT
GOD YOU'RE STUPID

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>>136868849
It connects them via literally sharing a character, point is....it was just a random usage of the same name really like TF always does, does anyone really consider ROTF Sideways to be the same guy as Sideways from Armada because a nerd decided to say it was him on a whim even though we all know he was never supposed to be the same guy?

>>136868920
Oh yeah? Where in the show's script does it say "this is Universe Apex whatever, a totally different universe than Universe Gligax such and such"


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>>136851291
Considering how fucking exhausted people were by bayslop, Bumblebee's numbers are incredibly good.

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>>136851330
Didn't realize that Bumblebee came out only a year after the last Bay film. If it had an extra year or two to breathe, it might have done better


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>>136850586
>Whats the problem?
Times have changed. Big CGI slapfests and explosions by themselves don't draw in audiences anymore, they're dime a dozen now.
Transformers needs a better hook. For one thing, they need to stop with the Bumblebee speech thing and give him an actual voice so he can be a proper headlining character and not just a pet for the human characters.

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>>136854414
>they're dime a dozen now.
*diamond dozen


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[User] WFC/FOC story mode is a better Transformers movie than anything we'll see on the big screen, not even the supposed new animated one

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>>136854307
>It's all Transformers and no humans.
No shit it's better but it won't sell to normies.


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>>136860302
Sorry I didn't reply to you for 9 hours, I hope you see this: My problem with Bumblebee is that it feels unironically soulless. It's safe and sanatized. It's a film that was clearly put together by a committee in a (somewhat successful) effort to pander to as many G1 fans and little kids.as possible. That's why they made the designs more simple and why they cast that pretty boy to voice BB. Also why they cast John fucking Cena to play the main human antagonist. They even had the audacity to blast "You Got The Touch" like they were fully intending the audience to burst into tears and start clapping. I have no respect for such a film.

Bayformers was crass and a little juvenile but it was fun as hell to watch when I was a kid and I still have fond memories of all 3 movies + The Last Night which wasn't complete shit.

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>>136868919
Dude it's totally fine to like and have nostalgia for Bayformers and it's totally fine to hate Bumblebee (I do too...shit is overrated) but your criticisms of Bumblebee are way off base.

First of all, you think Bumblebee is just G1 pandering? Did you see it? If it was full of G1 pandering I'd probably be a fan, but it wasn't, it had some G1 references at best, and that Cybertron scene everyone talks about? It's like a couple minutes of the movie.

You also say Bumblebee was just pandering to kiddos, but honestly people who were older could have said the same thing about Bayformers being obviously more for new kids than them, so what's your point there? Which then ties into the whole thing about nostalgia, you criticize Bumblebee for using a song from the '86 movie as if nostalgia itself is bad, but you're clearly nostalgic for the version of Transformers you saw as a kid....so yeah, a little hypocritical.


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>>136838417
Do you have any idea how expensive it would be to make a feature length movie only with animated giant robots?

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>>136841305
It doesn't need to be Avatar nigga


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>>136868849
It connects them via literally sharing a character, point is....it was just a random usage of the same name really like TF always does, does anyone really consider ROTF Sideways to be the same guy as Sideways from Armada because a nerd decided to say it was him on a whim even though we all know he was never supposed to be the same guy?

>>136868920
Oh yeah? Where in the show's script does it say "this is Universe Apex whatever, a totally different universe than Universe Gligax such and such"

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>>136869916
Why are you focusing on the designations? The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.

As for dimension hopping:
-The WFC/FoC world has crossed over with the a Bayverse world
- Multiple Rodimus Primes from multi realities saw each other
- The Armada comics had a miniseries with multiverse shenanigans and Armada Megs fighting G1 Galvatron
- BWII Lio Convoy crossed over to the Japanese Prime toyline universe
- The first Universe toyline's entire plot was dimension hopping

Do all of these freak you out too? It doesn't mean everything else about those universes start melding together.


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>>136869916
Why are you focusing on the designations? The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.

As for dimension hopping:
-The WFC/FoC world has crossed over with the a Bayverse world
- Multiple Rodimus Primes from multi realities saw each other
- The Armada comics had a miniseries with multiverse shenanigans and Armada Megs fighting G1 Galvatron
- BWII Lio Convoy crossed over to the Japanese Prime toyline universe
- The first Universe toyline's entire plot was dimension hopping

Do all of these freak you out too? It doesn't mean everything else about those universes start melding together.

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>>136870466
>The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.
Where in the show did they say that, are you going to bring up the inconsistencies between BW and G1 again as proof? Because you're just ignoring a huge part of my original post that addresses just that. We'll just be going in a circle, but I'll reiterate
>Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future
Everything I know seems to make me think this is the case, even Boco offers a bit of insight with his post >>136868201
You see, the BW writers were just using whatever pre BW fiction they liked, that is true, but did they ACTUALLY have the intention of making it an alternate universe, or were they just hamfisted in their appropriation of G1 canon themselves when trying to tie BW into that canon? Seems more likely the case to me.

And likewise, the Sideways thing, the point is that ROTF Sideways was obviously never intended to be Armada Sideways, someone just made that up after the fact. That's the whole thing.


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>>136868155

>Do they even explain the Dinobots being on Earth, the dragon shit being on Earth in medieval times/the Transformers in WWII, Quintessa and Unicron?
Not really.

Also fun fact: Larry DiTillio, co head writer of Beast Wars, considered the Marvel Gen 2 comic as canon to the show.
>As with many Transformers stories, humans were targeted during the course of the G2 comic — first by the Decepticons, then the Cybertronian Empire, then the Swarm — culminating in the bombardment of San Francisco. Beast Wars co-story-editor Larry DiTillio would later prefer to envision the end of this series as actually having caused the total extinction of the human species. DiTillio in turn developed his own background for the Vok as being descendants of the Swarm, now attempting to make amends for wiping out humankind

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>>136870466
>The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.
Where in the show did they say that, are you going to bring up the inconsistencies between BW and G1 again as proof? Because you're just ignoring a huge part of my original post that addresses just that. We'll just be going in a circle, but I'll reiterate
>Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future
Everything I know seems to make me think this is the case, even Boco offers a bit of insight with his post >>136868201
You see, the BW writers were just using whatever pre BW fiction they liked, that is true, but did they ACTUALLY have the intention of making it an alternate universe, or were they just hamfisted in their appropriation of G1 canon themselves when trying to tie BW into that canon? Seems more likely the case to me.

And likewise, the Sideways thing, the point is that ROTF Sideways was obviously never intended to be Armada Sideways, someone just made that up after the fact. That's the whole thing.


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>>136870466
>The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.
Where in the show did they say that, are you going to bring up the inconsistencies between BW and G1 again as proof? Because you're just ignoring a huge part of my original post that addresses just that. We'll just be going in a circle, but I'll reiterate
>Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future
Everything I know seems to make me think this is the case, even Boco offers a bit of insight with his post >>136868201
You see, the BW writers were just using whatever pre BW fiction they liked, that is true, but did they ACTUALLY have the intention of making it an alternate universe, or were they just hamfisted in their appropriation of G1 canon themselves when trying to tie BW into that canon? Seems more likely the case to me.

And likewise, the Sideways thing, the point is that ROTF Sideways was obviously never intended to be Armada Sideways, someone just made that up after the fact. That's the whole thing.

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>>136870627
I ain't reading all that shit and you continue to have bad opinions and terrible comprehension. What I said is fact. That's all you need to know.


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>>136870466
>The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.
Where in the show did they say that, are you going to bring up the inconsistencies between BW and G1 again as proof? Because you're just ignoring a huge part of my original post that addresses just that. We'll just be going in a circle, but I'll reiterate
>Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future
Everything I know seems to make me think this is the case, even Boco offers a bit of insight with his post >>136868201
You see, the BW writers were just using whatever pre BW fiction they liked, that is true, but did they ACTUALLY have the intention of making it an alternate universe, or were they just hamfisted in their appropriation of G1 canon themselves when trying to tie BW into that canon? Seems more likely the case to me.

And likewise, the Sideways thing, the point is that ROTF Sideways was obviously never intended to be Armada Sideways, someone just made that up after the fact. That's the whole thing.

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>>136870627
Do you have autism? Not an insult, just curious.


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>>136870466
>The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.
Where in the show did they say that, are you going to bring up the inconsistencies between BW and G1 again as proof? Because you're just ignoring a huge part of my original post that addresses just that. We'll just be going in a circle, but I'll reiterate
>Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future
Everything I know seems to make me think this is the case, even Boco offers a bit of insight with his post >>136868201
You see, the BW writers were just using whatever pre BW fiction they liked, that is true, but did they ACTUALLY have the intention of making it an alternate universe, or were they just hamfisted in their appropriation of G1 canon themselves when trying to tie BW into that canon? Seems more likely the case to me.

And likewise, the Sideways thing, the point is that ROTF Sideways was obviously never intended to be Armada Sideways, someone just made that up after the fact. That's the whole thing.

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>>136870627
Good luck trying to reason with wiki autists.


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>>136870466
>The point is that they're different universes with different histories, straight from the Beast Wars show itself.
Where in the show did they say that, are you going to bring up the inconsistencies between BW and G1 again as proof? Because you're just ignoring a huge part of my original post that addresses just that. We'll just be going in a circle, but I'll reiterate
>Yeah if you considered it a sequel to G1, it makes little sense continuity wise when going over the details, however I feel like it was still very much their intention to make it connected to the G1 cartoon. I don't think it being an alternate universe was what they had in mind when they started writing G1 elements into the show, I think they just figured it wouldn't matter if they changed shit because it was the old show they possibly never even realized people would care so much about in the future
Everything I know seems to make me think this is the case, even Boco offers a bit of insight with his post >>136868201
You see, the BW writers were just using whatever pre BW fiction they liked, that is true, but did they ACTUALLY have the intention of making it an alternate universe, or were they just hamfisted in their appropriation of G1 canon themselves when trying to tie BW into that canon? Seems more likely the case to me.

And likewise, the Sideways thing, the point is that ROTF Sideways was obviously never intended to be Armada Sideways, someone just made that up after the fact. That's the whole thing.

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>>136870627
You are oddly hung up on intentions. They don't matter. The end result matters.


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>>136870627
Do you have autism? Not an insult, just curious.

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>>136870666
No, do you?

>>136870655
>gets butthurt because someone doesn't care about Ask Vector Prime
Can't argue your point like an adult because you know you don't have a good one.

Ask Vector Prime is a bunch of affiliated fanboys who just attached their fanfic ideas to media that already exists, they're not the ones making the media, that's the thing, that's why it's not exactly that credible and kinda seems like it doesn't matter to some people, even if SOME shit from it has had an effect on real media, a lot of it is superfluous bullshit that has no effect on the media, because it's retroactive.

>>136870670
I would not be surprised if I was dealing with Chris McFeely himself with how much his videos get randomly spammed here lmao.


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>>136870627
I ain't reading all that shit and you continue to have bad opinions and terrible comprehension. What I said is fact. That's all you need to know.

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>>136870666
No, do you?

>>136870655
>gets butthurt because someone doesn't care about Ask Vector Prime
Can't argue your point like an adult because you know you don't have a good one.

Ask Vector Prime is a bunch of affiliated fanboys who just attached their fanfic ideas to media that already exists, they're not the ones making the media, that's the thing, that's why it's not exactly that credible and kinda seems like it doesn't matter to some people, even if SOME shit from it has had an effect on real media, a lot of it is superfluous bullshit that has no effect on the media, because it's retroactive.

>>136870670
I would not be surprised if I was dealing with Chris McFeely himself with how much his videos get randomly spammed here lmao.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136870627
Good luck trying to reason with wiki autists.

[Assistant]
>>136870666
No, do you?

>>136870655
>gets butthurt because someone doesn't care about Ask Vector Prime
Can't argue your point like an adult because you know you don't have a good one.

Ask Vector Prime is a bunch of affiliated fanboys who just attached their fanfic ideas to media that already exists, they're not the ones making the media, that's the thing, that's why it's not exactly that credible and kinda seems like it doesn't matter to some people, even if SOME shit from it has had an effect on real media, a lot of it is superfluous bullshit that has no effect on the media, because it's retroactive.

>>136870670
I would not be surprised if I was dealing with Chris McFeely himself with how much his videos get randomly spammed here lmao.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136870666
No, do you?

>>136870655
>gets butthurt because someone doesn't care about Ask Vector Prime
Can't argue your point like an adult because you know you don't have a good one.

Ask Vector Prime is a bunch of affiliated fanboys who just attached their fanfic ideas to media that already exists, they're not the ones making the media, that's the thing, that's why it's not exactly that credible and kinda seems like it doesn't matter to some people, even if SOME shit from it has had an effect on real media, a lot of it is superfluous bullshit that has no effect on the media, because it's retroactive.

>>136870670
I would not be surprised if I was dealing with Chris McFeely himself with how much his videos get randomly spammed here lmao.

[Assistant]
>>136870749
see >>136870561


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] It always makes me laugh when people go "BUT ASK VECTOR PRIME WAS JUST SOME GUYS WITH THE LICENSE, IT DOESN'T COUNT" when 99.99% of all official Transformers fiction was made under the exact same concept. Hell, that's how the series was originally produced.

[Assistant]
>>136870749
see >>136870561


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136870627
You are oddly hung up on intentions. They don't matter. The end result matters.

[Assistant]
>>136870683
The end result of Beast Wars was Beast Wars, the show was the end result, not shit people made up about the show decades later.

>>136870759
The difference is none of the people who wrote for Ask Vector Prime made Beast Wars, or any of the shows or movies...they're not the equivalent of people who actually made these things.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136870749
see >>136870561

[Assistant]
>>136870683
The end result of Beast Wars was Beast Wars, the show was the end result, not shit people made up about the show decades later.

>>136870759
The difference is none of the people who wrote for Ask Vector Prime made Beast Wars, or any of the shows or movies...they're not the equivalent of people who actually made these things.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136870683
The end result of Beast Wars was Beast Wars, the show was the end result, not shit people made up about the show decades later.

>>136870759
The difference is none of the people who wrote for Ask Vector Prime made Beast Wars, or any of the shows or movies...they're not the equivalent of people who actually made these things.

[Assistant]
>>136870813
You're still missing the point that it comes from the show itself. The AVP bit is just a footnote. You are obsessed over nothing.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136870813
You're still missing the point that it comes from the show itself. The AVP bit is just a footnote. You are obsessed over nothing.

[Assistant]
>>136870826
BW is a sequel to G1. Exact continuity bits not lining up doesn't matter. It's like how James Bond movies were all in the same continuity in the 60's-early 2000's, but sometimes an actor will get recast with someone who's decades younger, or older, or tech fluctuates. For the sake of the viewer, we're to understand one movie continues from the other.
You're thinking of it in terms of fandom, and modern fandom at that.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136870813
You're still missing the point that it comes from the show itself. The AVP bit is just a footnote. You are obsessed over nothing.

[Assistant]
>>136870826
You saying "the show doesn't add up to G1 is proof that it was never meant to be G1" is literally autistic, you're pretending you don't understand the concept of a retcon, even though you're arguing for other retcons.