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Serious talk about knuckles though: How badly is he going to job to shadow in Sonic 3?
Got his ass beat BAD in sonic boom by shadow, and I don't see him not getting utterly curb stomped to try and shill shadow as uber tough and sonic's "True" rival.

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>>136784497
Knuckles is going off to get his own spin-off, so it’s likely he just won’t show up at all in Sonic 3 so they can focus on Sonic and Shadow.


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>>136784488
>but it wasn’t trying to be
Again. It had Charmy in the main cast, and the team on the cover had this song as their theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UtwdDjhA_4 [Embed]

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>>136784510
So? I don’t see your point. It’s still Sega being genuine, but coming off as campy, not them being campy on purpose. Why can’t you comprehend this?


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>>136784510
So? I don’t see your point. It’s still Sega being genuine, but coming off as campy, not them being campy on purpose. Why can’t you comprehend this?

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>>136784545
>Why can’t you comprehend this?
Maybe the part where you think repeating some bullshit and saying that a song reading "we can make it if we all stick together we won't give up not ever" is 'genuine' as much as something like Colors and Lost World were 'intentionally campy.'


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>>136784497
Knuckles is going off to get his own spin-off, so it’s likely he just won’t show up at all in Sonic 3 so they can focus on Sonic and Shadow.

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>>136784520
>Knuckles spinoff
I still am surprised there; I Don't see his spin off being anything BUT him fighting not-enerjak (The echidna shown in the flashback), and That seems like lawsuit bait.


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Serious talk about knuckles though: How badly is he going to job to shadow in Sonic 3?
Got his ass beat BAD in sonic boom by shadow, and I don't see him not getting utterly curb stomped to try and shill shadow as uber tough and sonic's "True" rival.

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>>136784497
>sonic's "True" rival.
Present

>>136784183
>>136784221
Anon is right, it's not about being "ridiculous" or not, nor is it about emotional or developmental "maturity", it's about themes and tone

TMNT started as a dark and gritty comic, and even if it was the lighter and goofy cartoon that made it a pop culture phenomenon, it still has those darker roots, and even the movie in the 90's blended the two tones together, which to many is still the definitive portrayal of the TMNT. Regardless, the point is TMNT can go edgy, or lighthearted, and neither is off brand.

Sonic on the other hand, should never really be edgy and it's embarrassing when they try, Sonic can be a little dark, but it can't go to teen/adult territory in terms of graphicness or edge, it SHOULD never go to that territory, it always warrants laughs and not the good kind.


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>>136774183
>First God of War
/v/ mad whenever Sony gets attention. Remember, Modern Sonic is Nintendiecore, unlike Classic Sonic, which actually is SEGAcore.

>then Genshin,
Mad that they didn't win the Game Awards with Midtiers. Didn't help they got caught botting and was out'd live on television they botted the polls.

>Mario
The movie shat all over Sonic's sales numbers, but anyone with 1 IQ knew it was going to happen. It's not about the Sonic movies being bad or whatever (it was, mostly, at least the first one was), it's the fucking fact it's fucking MARIO. Video games' rightful Mickey Mouse of gaming. Sonic was never going to stay on top as long as Mario exists, at least, long since the days when Sonic 1- 3K actually contended being better video games than Mario 1 - World.

Another thing to mention about GoW and TMNT, both are mature IPs that can actually get "dark, mature, edgy, deep" but when Sonic does it he gets laughed at and Sonicautists seethe endlessly over it. But they fail to get Sonic is a neon blue rat that isn't designed to be "realistic or treated like a real life serious figure", he started lighthearted and thus stays light hearted in the eyes of normal audiences. At least when TMNT gets light hearted or edgy, they actually change the designs to account of it most of the time. Sonic however? They just slap his neon ass in Doom looking environments like in Shadow the Hedgehog of Sonic 06.

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>>136784497
>sonic's "True" rival.
Present

>>136784183
>>136784221
Anon is right, it's not about being "ridiculous" or not, nor is it about emotional or developmental "maturity", it's about themes and tone

TMNT started as a dark and gritty comic, and even if it was the lighter and goofy cartoon that made it a pop culture phenomenon, it still has those darker roots, and even the movie in the 90's blended the two tones together, which to many is still the definitive portrayal of the TMNT. Regardless, the point is TMNT can go edgy, or lighthearted, and neither is off brand.

Sonic on the other hand, should never really be edgy and it's embarrassing when they try, Sonic can be a little dark, but it can't go to teen/adult territory in terms of graphicness or edge, it SHOULD never go to that territory, it always warrants laughs and not the good kind.


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>>136784183
>This series is ridiculous because it's about a blue rodent!
>This series that's about a bunch of turtles that mutated into anthros and are ninjas is totally mature!
Shit post. Anything can be "mature" so long as it's written well.

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>>136784497
>sonic's "True" rival.
Present

>>136784183
>>136784221
Anon is right, it's not about being "ridiculous" or not, nor is it about emotional or developmental "maturity", it's about themes and tone

TMNT started as a dark and gritty comic, and even if it was the lighter and goofy cartoon that made it a pop culture phenomenon, it still has those darker roots, and even the movie in the 90's blended the two tones together, which to many is still the definitive portrayal of the TMNT. Regardless, the point is TMNT can go edgy, or lighthearted, and neither is off brand.

Sonic on the other hand, should never really be edgy and it's embarrassing when they try, Sonic can be a little dark, but it can't go to teen/adult territory in terms of graphicness or edge, it SHOULD never go to that territory, it always warrants laughs and not the good kind.


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>>136784425
Pretty sure in the Sonic Adventure games his songs were stuff like rap and jazz.

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>>136784447
Knuckles’ themes were all rap, Rouge got the jazz themes.


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>>136784497
>sonic's "True" rival.
Present

>>136784183
>>136784221
Anon is right, it's not about being "ridiculous" or not, nor is it about emotional or developmental "maturity", it's about themes and tone

TMNT started as a dark and gritty comic, and even if it was the lighter and goofy cartoon that made it a pop culture phenomenon, it still has those darker roots, and even the movie in the 90's blended the two tones together, which to many is still the definitive portrayal of the TMNT. Regardless, the point is TMNT can go edgy, or lighthearted, and neither is off brand.

Sonic on the other hand, should never really be edgy and it's embarrassing when they try, Sonic can be a little dark, but it can't go to teen/adult territory in terms of graphicness or edge, it SHOULD never go to that territory, it always warrants laughs and not the good kind.

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>>136784675
You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.


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>>136784520
>Knuckles spinoff
I still am surprised there; I Don't see his spin off being anything BUT him fighting not-enerjak (The echidna shown in the flashback), and That seems like lawsuit bait.

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>>136784607
They’ve just recently posted a teaser image with Knuckles’ OVA hat, and a list of people they’ve gotten on board for it.


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>>136784675
You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.

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>>136784701
>since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.
That would be the Genesis games in general. I imagine SA2 has more lifetime sales, though, given the GC port.


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>>136784497
>sonic's "True" rival.
Present

>>136784183
>>136784221
Anon is right, it's not about being "ridiculous" or not, nor is it about emotional or developmental "maturity", it's about themes and tone

TMNT started as a dark and gritty comic, and even if it was the lighter and goofy cartoon that made it a pop culture phenomenon, it still has those darker roots, and even the movie in the 90's blended the two tones together, which to many is still the definitive portrayal of the TMNT. Regardless, the point is TMNT can go edgy, or lighthearted, and neither is off brand.

Sonic on the other hand, should never really be edgy and it's embarrassing when they try, Sonic can be a little dark, but it can't go to teen/adult territory in terms of graphicness or edge, it SHOULD never go to that territory, it always warrants laughs and not the good kind.

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>>136784675
Sonic should keep taking itself seriously. Otherwise you get more self aware garbage like the Meta era.


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>>136784701
>since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.
That would be the Genesis games in general. I imagine SA2 has more lifetime sales, though, given the GC port.

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>>136784751
Classicfaggots don’t classify as human.


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>>136784751
Classicfaggots don’t classify as human.

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>>136784774
They're still well-adjusted compared to the rest of the Sonic fanbase -- including you, it would seem.


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>>136784447
Knuckles’ themes were all rap, Rouge got the jazz themes.

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>>136784682
I'm not a music expert, but I know in 1 and 2 they were different genres, but both of them were pretty black, so excuse me for getting the name of one of them wrong.


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>>136784774
They're still well-adjusted compared to the rest of the Sonic fanbase -- including you, it would seem.

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>>136784852
Why do you lie?


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>>136784852
Why do you lie?

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>>136784887
Why do you shitpost?


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>>136784774
They're still well-adjusted compared to the rest of the Sonic fanbase -- including you, it would seem.

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>>136784852
>Chris
>Mariotehplumber
>well adjusted
You’re either a zoomer, or you’re blatantly lying.


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>>136771771
>>136772141
I can believe it.

I think the main issue is that Sonic’s world isn’t really cohesive. With TMNT, it’s pretty apparent that interpretation is in its own little continuity, so even if one sucks, fans can just shrug their shoulder and move on.
Sonic doesn’t really have that. Sega seems to be pushing one mainline canon currently and they constantly backtrack on what’s canon and what’s not (i.e. whether classic Sonic is him from the past or a different version entirely).

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>>136777956
>>136778091

Frontiers uncanon'd the only English canon from Forces mistranslation. He was always from the past, Forces fucked up and mistranslated "dimension" as "reality", as Mania is a split timeline from Sonic 1 by the fucked with time Time Eater. Mania Sonic is NOT OG classic Sonic, but both ARE Modern Sonic's past version of him.


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>>136777956
It's obviously a different version. The people obsessed with everything being perfectly connected are the cancer killing EVERYTHING.

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>>136777956
>>136778091

Frontiers uncanon'd the only English canon from Forces mistranslation. He was always from the past, Forces fucked up and mistranslated "dimension" as "reality", as Mania is a split timeline from Sonic 1 by the fucked with time Time Eater. Mania Sonic is NOT OG classic Sonic, but both ARE Modern Sonic's past version of him.


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>>136784852
>Chris
>Mariotehplumber
>well adjusted
You’re either a zoomer, or you’re blatantly lying.

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>>136785010
>Mariotehplumber
Isn’t that the psycholo who spent a fuck load of money to buy up as many Rosalina Amiibos as he could because he hated her, and didn’t want anyone to get any?


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>>136784852
>Chris
>Mariotehplumber
>well adjusted
You’re either a zoomer, or you’re blatantly lying.

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>>136785010
>Chris
He's arguably less autistic about Sonic than most because he just likes Sonic. Adventure Sonic is the half the basis of Sonichu but it wasn't out of insult because he was sincere.


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>>136784852
>Chris
>Mariotehplumber
>well adjusted
You’re either a zoomer, or you’re blatantly lying.

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>>136785010
Don’t forget Sammy. He’s ok now, but he was a massive sperg back in the day.


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>>136785010
>Mariotehplumber
Isn’t that the psycholo who spent a fuck load of money to buy up as many Rosalina Amiibos as he could because he hated her, and didn’t want anyone to get any?

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>>136785042
Yes, he was based.


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>>136785010
>Mariotehplumber
Isn’t that the psycholo who spent a fuck load of money to buy up as many Rosalina Amiibos as he could because he hated her, and didn’t want anyone to get any?

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>>136785042
he what


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>>136779536
Knuckles was always supposed to be black. His colors are inspired by the Rastafarian flag, his dreads are supposed to be dreadlocks, he speaks with a Jamaican accent in the official guide, and he has multiple rap themes in the adventure games. I also don’t understand how he’s woke in any was in the movie.

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>>136779621
Woke = anti-nigger, that's all, ignore /co/pollacks


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>>136784852
>Chris
>Mariotehplumber
>well adjusted
You’re either a zoomer, or you’re blatantly lying.

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>>136785010
I'm neither, my cherrypicking retard. It's just common knowledge. The Genesis games are the only ones most people can agree are good, and they constitute the zenith of Sonic's status. They're liked by people that just enjoy video games. You don't need to invoke factional autism.


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>>136784675
You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.

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>>136784701
SA2 isn't even the best Sonic Adventure game, you dumbfuck zoomer. You didn't even have it on Dreamcast, you were a Nintendblow faggot who owned a purple kiddy console called Gamepube.

Sonic was king in the 90's on Genesis, it was Sonic vs. Mario and nothing else close that's a fact. By the time of SA? Crash Bandicoot was probably even more popular, don't care what your zoomer ass thinks who played a remake of the game on a rival console after Sega's demise, ya don't know shit. Sonic was not as popular during the Adventure era than he was in the classic era.

>>136784758
Sonic should only ever be about as "serious" as SatAM, Shadow cussing like his name was Raphael and using realistic guns was rightfully mocked.


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>>136784675
Sonic should keep taking itself seriously. Otherwise you get more self aware garbage like the Meta era.

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>>136784701
SA2 isn't even the best Sonic Adventure game, you dumbfuck zoomer. You didn't even have it on Dreamcast, you were a Nintendblow faggot who owned a purple kiddy console called Gamepube.

Sonic was king in the 90's on Genesis, it was Sonic vs. Mario and nothing else close that's a fact. By the time of SA? Crash Bandicoot was probably even more popular, don't care what your zoomer ass thinks who played a remake of the game on a rival console after Sega's demise, ya don't know shit. Sonic was not as popular during the Adventure era than he was in the classic era.

>>136784758
Sonic should only ever be about as "serious" as SatAM, Shadow cussing like his name was Raphael and using realistic guns was rightfully mocked.


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>>136784701
SA2 isn't even the best Sonic Adventure game, you dumbfuck zoomer. You didn't even have it on Dreamcast, you were a Nintendblow faggot who owned a purple kiddy console called Gamepube.

Sonic was king in the 90's on Genesis, it was Sonic vs. Mario and nothing else close that's a fact. By the time of SA? Crash Bandicoot was probably even more popular, don't care what your zoomer ass thinks who played a remake of the game on a rival console after Sega's demise, ya don't know shit. Sonic was not as popular during the Adventure era than he was in the classic era.

>>136784758
Sonic should only ever be about as "serious" as SatAM, Shadow cussing like his name was Raphael and using realistic guns was rightfully mocked.

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>>136785109
>SatAM
Get out.


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>>136785010
I'm neither, my cherrypicking retard. It's just common knowledge. The Genesis games are the only ones most people can agree are good, and they constitute the zenith of Sonic's status. They're liked by people that just enjoy video games. You don't need to invoke factional autism.

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>>136785105
>The Genesis games are the only ones most people can agree are good
Absolutely not. 1 is mediocre, 3&K is okay, and 2 is the only good Sonic Genesis game. You’re delusional if you think only the Genesis games are good.


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>>136784497
>sonic's "True" rival.
Present

>>136784183
>>136784221
Anon is right, it's not about being "ridiculous" or not, nor is it about emotional or developmental "maturity", it's about themes and tone

TMNT started as a dark and gritty comic, and even if it was the lighter and goofy cartoon that made it a pop culture phenomenon, it still has those darker roots, and even the movie in the 90's blended the two tones together, which to many is still the definitive portrayal of the TMNT. Regardless, the point is TMNT can go edgy, or lighthearted, and neither is off brand.

Sonic on the other hand, should never really be edgy and it's embarrassing when they try, Sonic can be a little dark, but it can't go to teen/adult territory in terms of graphicness or edge, it SHOULD never go to that territory, it always warrants laughs and not the good kind.

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>>136784675
I liked Imposter Syndrome.


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>>136777956
>>136778091

Frontiers uncanon'd the only English canon from Forces mistranslation. He was always from the past, Forces fucked up and mistranslated "dimension" as "reality", as Mania is a split timeline from Sonic 1 by the fucked with time Time Eater. Mania Sonic is NOT OG classic Sonic, but both ARE Modern Sonic's past version of him.

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>>136785029
Classic Sonic is the same age as Modern Sonic. He's not the kid version of him. He's Chibi Sonic or Toon Sonic. Like Toon Link.


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>>136785105
>The Genesis games are the only ones most people can agree are good
Absolutely not. 1 is mediocre, 3&K is okay, and 2 is the only good Sonic Genesis game. You’re delusional if you think only the Genesis games are good.

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>>136785172
(You), sweet autist, are not most people. I also don't care about your opinions either way.


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>>136785172
(You), sweet autist, are not most people. I also don't care about your opinions either way.

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>>136785195
Ask anyone about Sonic 1. They’ll say only Green Hill Zone and Star Light Zone were fun, and everything else was either mediocre or awful.


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I wouldn't say that Sonic is relevant, just pushed harder. I find it hard to believe that there's an actual audience for Sonic anything these days.
Also TMNT is older, its time has to come eventually
Also >>136762215

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>>136763035
>I wouldn't say that Sonic is relevant
The fuck?His films were popular , even tough his games still sells , he had 2 great ones that sells great(mania and Frontier) vs 1 great great one that sold good (the TMNT beat em up), he had a sorta popular cartoon (the las one), and the boom cartoon was memed to death because things like feminist knuckles , knuckles give an opinion of his waifu or Chris chan references.


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>>136785029
Classic Sonic is the same age as Modern Sonic. He's not the kid version of him. He's Chibi Sonic or Toon Sonic. Like Toon Link.

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>>136785189
Sonic is 16 as of Generations, since that’s literally his birthday.


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>>136775740
>Sonic has a good movie with Sonic 2.
Woke black Knuckles, no thanks.

>>136775862
Mario is fucking gay as shit, infantile Nintoddler

>>136776908
>Sonic isn't embarrassed to be Sonic
That's not what was happening when they put Final Faggotry shit or tried to make Shadow The Hedgehog

Hell, if we're being honest, Sonic hasn't been itself since the 2D days, soon as they gave Sonic heelies shoes, it was all over

>>136779488
TMNT doesn't have an issue with female characters, TMNT just doesn't need ANY more turtles. They have April and Irma for female characters, and people like them just fine. Making new turtles to pander for woke points is and always has been lame.

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>>136779536
>>136779621
>>136779797
>>136780426
Neither is Idris, he's fucking English, not American.


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>>136779536
Knuckles was always supposed to be black. His colors are inspired by the Rastafarian flag, his dreads are supposed to be dreadlocks, he speaks with a Jamaican accent in the official guide, and he has multiple rap themes in the adventure games. I also don’t understand how he’s woke in any was in the movie.

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>>136779536
>>136779621
>>136779797
>>136780426
Neither is Idris, he's fucking English, not American.


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>>136779621
Knuckles isn’t black, dude. Him and his people are based on the Aztecs and Mayans. He’s Mesoamerican or Native Mexican. Having rap music in his levels doesn’t make him black, it makes you racist for thinking it does. Also, dreads aren’t exclusive to blacks.

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>>136779536
>>136779621
>>136779797
>>136780426
Neither is Idris, he's fucking English, not American.


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>>136779621
>Knuckles was always black, because these things about his design and early creation point to that
Too bad he never was portrayed as black in any fiction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG91pLyWpdY&t=23s&pp=ygUac29uaWMgdW5kZXJncm91bmQga251Y2tsZXM%3D [Embed]
Black? Nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ylVM612wk&pp=ygUSc29uaWMgb3ZhIGtudWNrbGVz [Embed]
Black? Nope

So basically, the "Knuckles was always black" thing is kind of a lie regardless

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>>136779536
>>136779621
>>136779797
>>136780426
Neither is Idris, he's fucking English, not American.


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>>136784701
SA2 isn't even the best Sonic Adventure game, you dumbfuck zoomer. You didn't even have it on Dreamcast, you were a Nintendblow faggot who owned a purple kiddy console called Gamepube.

Sonic was king in the 90's on Genesis, it was Sonic vs. Mario and nothing else close that's a fact. By the time of SA? Crash Bandicoot was probably even more popular, don't care what your zoomer ass thinks who played a remake of the game on a rival console after Sega's demise, ya don't know shit. Sonic was not as popular during the Adventure era than he was in the classic era.

>>136784758
Sonic should only ever be about as "serious" as SatAM, Shadow cussing like his name was Raphael and using realistic guns was rightfully mocked.

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>>136785109
>By the time of SA? Crash Bandicoot was probably even more popular
Banjo-Kazooie too, probably.


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>>136763035
>I wouldn't say that Sonic is relevant
The fuck?His films were popular , even tough his games still sells , he had 2 great ones that sells great(mania and Frontier) vs 1 great great one that sold good (the TMNT beat em up), he had a sorta popular cartoon (the las one), and the boom cartoon was memed to death because things like feminist knuckles , knuckles give an opinion of his waifu or Chris chan references.

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>>136785234
>Frontiers
>great


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>>136785234
>Frontiers
>great

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>>136785298
Yeah.


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>>136785298
Yeah.

[Assistant]
>>136785317
Why are your standards so low?


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>>136779769
I think setting it up with a proper Mirage comics video game first before skipping all the way to the end of the series would be better, but maybe they’ll make one afterwards.

[Assistant]
>>136779867
It’s possible. They’ve said they wanted to branch out the Turtles ip, and start making more mature and darker games, like The Last Ronin, and more lighthearted games as well, like Shredder’s Revenge.


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>>136785317
Why are your standards so low?

[Assistant]
>>136785347
Why are you a contrarian faggot? Do you think you’re cooler or more interesting because you disagree with the vast majority? Because you’re not.


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>>136785347
Why are you a contrarian faggot? Do you think you’re cooler or more interesting because you disagree with the vast majority? Because you’re not.

[Assistant]
>>136785393
lol


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>>136784675
You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.

[Assistant]
>>136784701
By furry, autistic, mentally ill trannies. No one born before 1996 liked that trash.


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>>136785393
lol

[Assistant]
>>136785411
Anon has a point. You're a skubfag.


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>>136785189
Sonic is 16 as of Generations, since that’s literally his birthday.

[Assistant]
>>136785236
Nope, still 15. He just had one of those cartoon birthdays where they don't officially age like in the Simpsons.


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>>136779536
>>136779621
>>136779797
>>136780426
Neither is Idris, he's fucking English, not American.

[Assistant]
>>136785246
He a Brigger.


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>>136785236
Nope, still 15. He just had one of those cartoon birthdays where they don't officially age like in the Simpsons.

[Assistant]
>>136785603
Nope, he's nothing. Ian removed ages as of Frontiers, look it up. No longer mentioned on Sonic Channel.


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[User] because everyone in this thread is being a shit flinging idiot or a frothing at the mouth autist about their hatred of cartoon hedgehogs, I'm just gonna post this neat crossover pic to liven things up

[Assistant]
>>136785608
i wanna see that crossover in the comics


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>>136785195
Ask anyone about Sonic 1. They’ll say only Green Hill Zone and Star Light Zone were fun, and everything else was either mediocre or awful.

[Assistant]
>>136785225
Clearly you're a zoomer and you don't hang out where the adults talk about games.

Sonic 1 IS the most mediocre of classic Sonic, but it has quite a few people who consider it the best. I think they're just contrarians, but they exist, they'll even autistically go on about how spindash made Sonic worse by making it "too easy", just like autists will go on about how SA2 was somehow the peak of Sonic even though it was pretty much the beginning of his fall.

>>136785122
Fuck off zoomie. Sonic X blows.


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>>136785109
>SatAM
Get out.

[Assistant]
>>136785225
Clearly you're a zoomer and you don't hang out where the adults talk about games.

Sonic 1 IS the most mediocre of classic Sonic, but it has quite a few people who consider it the best. I think they're just contrarians, but they exist, they'll even autistically go on about how spindash made Sonic worse by making it "too easy", just like autists will go on about how SA2 was somehow the peak of Sonic even though it was pretty much the beginning of his fall.

>>136785122
Fuck off zoomie. Sonic X blows.


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>>136785608
i wanna see that crossover in the comics

[Assistant]
>>136785828
yeah especially since both are being distributed at IDW, style swapping the hero's and villains for some issues could be fun like Mobian Bebop and Rocksteady or Vector and Leatherhead hanging out


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>>136785029
Classic Sonic is the same age as Modern Sonic. He's not the kid version of him. He's Chibi Sonic or Toon Sonic. Like Toon Link.

[Assistant]
>>136785189
God, thr Hyrule Warriors costumes are hot dogshit


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White skin

Shadow and Rouge might be Asian

[Assistant]
>>136786684
>White skin
>When it's literally the darkest among the others in that image.
???


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>>136786684
>White skin
>When it's literally the darkest among the others in that image.
???

[Assistant]
>>136787058
So? It's not black skin.


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>>136787058
So? It's not black skin.

[Assistant]
>>136787282
>He thinks black = blackest color ever
>>>/pol/


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[User] How come TMNT failed to stay relevant while Sonic remained so despite mostly being trash? And yes, seriously asking this.

[Assistant]
>>136762169 (OP)
Sonic the Hedgehog is a simple concept. He's a hedgehog who goes fast. TMNT is a fucking convoluted cocaine-fuelled fever dream from the 80's, just like Biker Mice from Mars. TMNT should never have lived as long as it did.


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>>136787282
>He thinks black = blackest color ever
>>>/pol/

[Assistant]
>>136787457
Black people don't have the complexion of a white person who's slightly more tan than another white person. Knuckles' skin tone in that image would be like, a Greek, Italian, light skinned Arab or Mexican at best? No person of black heritage has that skin color, don't be a retard.

>>136787466
>TMNT
>Turtles mutated by chemicals who fight an evil ninja clan and aliens

>Sonic
>A super powered hedgehog who lives in a world with both anthros and real animals, no human population but sometimes yes, fights an evil mad scientist human who wants to take over the world by using animals to fuel his robots and/or turn animals into robots

Nah, one isn't less convoluted than the other, and if one is it's probably Sonic due to the fact that there are lots of inconsistencies in how his world even works


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>>136762169 (OP)
Sonic the Hedgehog is a simple concept. He's a hedgehog who goes fast. TMNT is a fucking convoluted cocaine-fuelled fever dream from the 80's, just like Biker Mice from Mars. TMNT should never have lived as long as it did.

[Assistant]
>>136787457
Black people don't have the complexion of a white person who's slightly more tan than another white person. Knuckles' skin tone in that image would be like, a Greek, Italian, light skinned Arab or Mexican at best? No person of black heritage has that skin color, don't be a retard.

>>136787466
>TMNT
>Turtles mutated by chemicals who fight an evil ninja clan and aliens

>Sonic
>A super powered hedgehog who lives in a world with both anthros and real animals, no human population but sometimes yes, fights an evil mad scientist human who wants to take over the world by using animals to fuel his robots and/or turn animals into robots

Nah, one isn't less convoluted than the other, and if one is it's probably Sonic due to the fact that there are lots of inconsistencies in how his world even works


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[User] because everyone in this thread is being a shit flinging idiot or a frothing at the mouth autist about their hatred of cartoon hedgehogs, I'm just gonna post this neat crossover pic to liven things up

[Assistant]
>>136785608
does donny really need glasses now


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>>136785411
Anon has a point. You're a skubfag.

[Assistant]
>>136785543
It's just a mediocre game.


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>>136785543
It's just a mediocre game.

[Assistant]
>>136788409
you've probably not even played it while saying it's mediocre


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>>136785608
does donny really need glasses now

[Assistant]
>>136788068
Knowing what happens to him in IDW he probably needs a spinal brace more


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[User] How come TMNT failed to stay relevant while Sonic remained so despite mostly being trash? And yes, seriously asking this.

[Assistant]
>>136762169 (OP)
TMNT was, is and will forever be more revelant than your autistic blue video game mascot.


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>>136788409
you've probably not even played it while saying it's mediocre

[Assistant]
>>136788445
Whatever you need to beLIEve.


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>>136788445
Whatever you need to beLIEve.

[Assistant]
>>136789700
I'm not the one obsessively wanting to let people know how much they want to feel validated in not liking 1 game mate.


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>>136785225
Clearly you're a zoomer and you don't hang out where the adults talk about games.

Sonic 1 IS the most mediocre of classic Sonic, but it has quite a few people who consider it the best. I think they're just contrarians, but they exist, they'll even autistically go on about how spindash made Sonic worse by making it "too easy", just like autists will go on about how SA2 was somehow the peak of Sonic even though it was pretty much the beginning of his fall.

>>136785122
Fuck off zoomie. Sonic X blows.

[Assistant]
>>136785953
>autists will go on about how SA2 was somehow the peak of Sonic even though it was pretty much the beginning of his fall.
To be fair it was the first Sonic game for a lot of people because of the Gamecube port. It's a shitty game, but it struck a chord.


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>>136777853
>Literally needs the autism since the movies to forced the narrative
No matter how many new normies like Sonic like normies liking tranime, it will always never be respected like media used to be pre 2000s.

[Assistant]
>>136784417
Respect and dignity are outdated concepts anyways.


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>>136762169 (OP)
Sonic the Hedgehog is a simple concept. He's a hedgehog who goes fast. TMNT is a fucking convoluted cocaine-fuelled fever dream from the 80's, just like Biker Mice from Mars. TMNT should never have lived as long as it did.

[Assistant]
>>136787466
>TMNT is a fucking convoluted
This has got to be a joke. I've been a Sonicfan for years, the confusion and arguments surrounding what happened or not in the games or any other material for that matter is always heated.


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>>136763035
>I wouldn't say that Sonic is relevant
The fuck?His films were popular , even tough his games still sells , he had 2 great ones that sells great(mania and Frontier) vs 1 great great one that sold good (the TMNT beat em up), he had a sorta popular cartoon (the las one), and the boom cartoon was memed to death because things like feminist knuckles , knuckles give an opinion of his waifu or Chris chan references.

[Assistant]
>>136785234
>His films were popular
400 million are popular numbers to you?


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>>136784701
SA2 isn't even the best Sonic Adventure game, you dumbfuck zoomer. You didn't even have it on Dreamcast, you were a Nintendblow faggot who owned a purple kiddy console called Gamepube.

Sonic was king in the 90's on Genesis, it was Sonic vs. Mario and nothing else close that's a fact. By the time of SA? Crash Bandicoot was probably even more popular, don't care what your zoomer ass thinks who played a remake of the game on a rival console after Sega's demise, ya don't know shit. Sonic was not as popular during the Adventure era than he was in the classic era.

>>136784758
Sonic should only ever be about as "serious" as SatAM, Shadow cussing like his name was Raphael and using realistic guns was rightfully mocked.

[Assistant]
>>136785109
>>136784675
Shut the fuck up 35 year old Christmas 92 babby. Sonic CD, Sonic 3, and both Adventure games all explored darker themes compared to Sonic 1 and 2 and all were very well received upon release and people love them to this day. Play more games.

Ironically you nostalgiafaggots tend to love SatAM which is much more grimdark than any Sonic game.


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>>136784497
>sonic's "True" rival.
Present

>>136784183
>>136784221
Anon is right, it's not about being "ridiculous" or not, nor is it about emotional or developmental "maturity", it's about themes and tone

TMNT started as a dark and gritty comic, and even if it was the lighter and goofy cartoon that made it a pop culture phenomenon, it still has those darker roots, and even the movie in the 90's blended the two tones together, which to many is still the definitive portrayal of the TMNT. Regardless, the point is TMNT can go edgy, or lighthearted, and neither is off brand.

Sonic on the other hand, should never really be edgy and it's embarrassing when they try, Sonic can be a little dark, but it can't go to teen/adult territory in terms of graphicness or edge, it SHOULD never go to that territory, it always warrants laughs and not the good kind.

[Assistant]
>>136785109
>>136784675
Shut the fuck up 35 year old Christmas 92 babby. Sonic CD, Sonic 3, and both Adventure games all explored darker themes compared to Sonic 1 and 2 and all were very well received upon release and people love them to this day. Play more games.

Ironically you nostalgiafaggots tend to love SatAM which is much more grimdark than any Sonic game.


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>>136779536
Knuckles was always supposed to be black. His colors are inspired by the Rastafarian flag, his dreads are supposed to be dreadlocks, he speaks with a Jamaican accent in the official guide, and he has multiple rap themes in the adventure games. I also don’t understand how he’s woke in any was in the movie.

[Assistant]
>>136779621
>>136784361
Knuckles isn't intended to be any race, but he's mostly based off of Meso-American civilizations. There's not really any truth to the rumor that he was meant to be literally Jamaican. Influence does not mean he is literally that thing.


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>>136779536
>Woke black Knuckles, no thanks.
Seriously? knuckles was intended to be minority-ish if not outright jamaican, and you're bitching about that?

[Assistant]
>>136779621
>>136784361
Knuckles isn't intended to be any race, but he's mostly based off of Meso-American civilizations. There's not really any truth to the rumor that he was meant to be literally Jamaican. Influence does not mean he is literally that thing.


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>>136769014
I'm pretty sure most people playing Sonic Adventure were the Sonic fandom as well, as people who didn't like Sonic weren't playing those games.

The whole "only the fandom cares" thing is a cop out tbqh, people in a fandom are still people, they don't magically stop counting, "hurr the only people who like said thing are the people who like said thing", like no shit

What is true is that Sonic had a long streak of negatively received - controversial at the least games, but if Sonic wasn't still well known, nobody would have cared, and people do care a lot.

>>136769135
Don't care drone. Mario isn't cool, it's gay. NPC flamer shit.

[Assistant]
>>136769173
>Don't care drone. Mario isn't cool, it's gay. NPC flamer shit.
What are you, 13?


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>>136762169 (OP)
>>136762250
>>136762212
>>136767845
>>136768781
>>136769077
>>136769204

HAHAHAHAHAH

This is the most delusional thread i’ve EVER seen.

In what reality is Sonic more relevant than TMNT? How do you even come to that conclusion, i’m actually curious.

[Assistant]
>>136771951
You will see a lot more kids wearing sonic merch than tmnt merch


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>>136784675
You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.

[Assistant]
>>136784701
>You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.
You're 100% right but these people have spent so long in their echo chambers they've convinced themselves otherwise. Like anyone still gives a fuck about the genesis games


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>>136784701
>You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.
You're 100% right but these people have spent so long in their echo chambers they've convinced themselves otherwise. Like anyone still gives a fuck about the genesis games

[Assistant]
>>136791862
>Like anyone still gives a fuck about the genesis games
Mania sold very well, so clearly people do.


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>>136787457
Black people don't have the complexion of a white person who's slightly more tan than another white person. Knuckles' skin tone in that image would be like, a Greek, Italian, light skinned Arab or Mexican at best? No person of black heritage has that skin color, don't be a retard.

>>136787466
>TMNT
>Turtles mutated by chemicals who fight an evil ninja clan and aliens

>Sonic
>A super powered hedgehog who lives in a world with both anthros and real animals, no human population but sometimes yes, fights an evil mad scientist human who wants to take over the world by using animals to fuel his robots and/or turn animals into robots

Nah, one isn't less convoluted than the other, and if one is it's probably Sonic due to the fact that there are lots of inconsistencies in how his world even works

[Assistant]
>>136787525
>>136787457
>>136786684
>>136787282
Knuckles is an animal, you dumb fucks


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>>136787282
>He thinks black = blackest color ever
>>>/pol/

[Assistant]
>>136787525
>>136787457
>>136786684
>>136787282
Knuckles is an animal, you dumb fucks


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White skin

Shadow and Rouge might be Asian

[Assistant]
>>136787525
>>136787457
>>136786684
>>136787282
Knuckles is an animal, you dumb fucks


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>>136787058
So? It's not black skin.

[Assistant]
>>136787525
>>136787457
>>136786684
>>136787282
Knuckles is an animal, you dumb fucks


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>>136791862
>Like anyone still gives a fuck about the genesis games
Mania sold very well, so clearly people do.

[Assistant]
>>136791886
>anon thinks 2D sonic = genesis exclusively
lmao you're so fucking thick


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>>136773955
>>136774038
IDW is irrelevant to the popularity of both, IDW is a shit company only LGBT zoomers care about but the larger fanbases of either brand do not, IDW has never gotten a kid into either

[Assistant]
>>136774091
>It sells better
>But the medium where it consistently sells better is irrelevant
lol


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>>136784852
>Chris
>Mariotehplumber
>well adjusted
You’re either a zoomer, or you’re blatantly lying.

[Assistant]
>>136785010
>>Mariotehplumber
he's a troll


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Sonic remains relevant to children and is broad enough that any new story or game can be accepted by the audience. Even if the canon isn't exactly what you remember, Sonic will generally be the same guy going on adventures.

TMNT changes its identity frequently and the brunt of the fanbase is adults. Every incarnation is its own thing. You can't just jump to any particular piece of media as easily because the per-incarnation goals and expectations are different, but it lacks the clean visual and branding differentiation of something like Mega Man.

It's the Transformers problem, basically.

[Assistant]
>>136771981
>Actual decent explanation for why one brand has more social sticking power while another is more relevant in merch.
>Completely ignored in favor of fandom shitflinging.


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>>136791886
>anon thinks 2D sonic = genesis exclusively
lmao you're so fucking thick

[Assistant]
>>136791903
You're an idiot.


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>>136785029
Classic Sonic is the same age as Modern Sonic. He's not the kid version of him. He's Chibi Sonic or Toon Sonic. Like Toon Link.

[Assistant]
>>136785189
>Like Toon Link.

Toon Link is an entirely different person to any of the other Links, though. Heck, the Spirit Tracks Toon Link is even an entirely different person to the Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass Toon Link. Whilst Classic/Modern Sonic are at base supposed to be the same individual.


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>>136791903
You're an idiot.

[Assistant]
>>136791995
No you are for thinking a NEW game means everyone exclusively loves the genesis games when most of the people that played Mania probably haven't touched them.
And even beyond that people at their core don't care about Sonic for gameplay reasons. They like the characters and the world. Sonic the character has always been his strongest selling point.


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>>136791886
>anon thinks 2D sonic = genesis exclusively
lmao you're so fucking thick

[Assistant]
>>136791903
>People like X the most
>Correct, nobody likes Y either!
>What about Z, it's very popular.
>LMAO he thinks Z is Y!!!
Try again.


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>>136791903
>People like X the most
>Correct, nobody likes Y either!
>What about Z, it's very popular.
>LMAO he thinks Z is Y!!!
Try again.

[Assistant]
>>136792019
See >>136792017
2D sonic does not have to equal the genesis games exclusively. That's like saying the people who like New Super Mario Brothers are actually huge fans of the OG Mario games


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>>136791995
No you are for thinking a NEW game means everyone exclusively loves the genesis games when most of the people that played Mania probably haven't touched them.
And even beyond that people at their core don't care about Sonic for gameplay reasons. They like the characters and the world. Sonic the character has always been his strongest selling point.

[Assistant]
>>136792019
See >>136792017
2D sonic does not have to equal the genesis games exclusively. That's like saying the people who like New Super Mario Brothers are actually huge fans of the OG Mario games


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>>136784675
You’re blatantly wrong, since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.

[Assistant]
>>136784701
My nephew is more aware of Sonic Boom than the Adventure stuff.


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>>136792019
See >>136792017
2D sonic does not have to equal the genesis games exclusively. That's like saying the people who like New Super Mario Brothers are actually huge fans of the OG Mario games

[Assistant]
>>136792030
Nobody said it did before you.
Please try to actually follow the conversation. Anon said Mania is probably more popular than SA2 these days.


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>>136792030
Nobody said it did before you.
Please try to actually follow the conversation. Anon said Mania is probably more popular than SA2 these days.

[Assistant]
>>136792054
>Nobody said it did
see >>136784751
and then he went on to say Mania proved that.


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>>136784701
>since SA2 is probably the most loved Sonic game.
That would be the Genesis games in general. I imagine SA2 has more lifetime sales, though, given the GC port.

[Assistant]
>>136792054
>Nobody said it did
see >>136784751
and then he went on to say Mania proved that.


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>>136792030
Nobody said it did before you.
Please try to actually follow the conversation. Anon said Mania is probably more popular than SA2 these days.

[Assistant]
>>136792054
>Anon said Mania is probably more popular than SA2 these days.
There's no way that's true just because Mania had basically no culture relevance. For better or worse, Adventure changed the fanbase and the internet


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>>136791995
No you are for thinking a NEW game means everyone exclusively loves the genesis games when most of the people that played Mania probably haven't touched them.
And even beyond that people at their core don't care about Sonic for gameplay reasons. They like the characters and the world. Sonic the character has always been his strongest selling point.

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>>136792017
It's evidence of their staying power. Mania carrying the torch of classic Sonic was a massive--the central, really--part of its marketing, and everything from the reused level concepts to the sprites to the promo art reflect this objective. All you have to do is look at the announcement trailer which begins with the old soundbite. If you think otherwise you are a delusional brainlet or underage or both. Yes, it was somebody's first 2D Sonic game. That doesn't change what it was leveraging.


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[User] How come TMNT failed to stay relevant while Sonic remained so despite mostly being trash? And yes, seriously asking this.

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>>136762169 (OP)
because even though sonic characters are samey as shit they aren't as samey as the fucking turtles. I literally CANNOT tell the turtles apart. On a design standpoint they are just huey dewey and louie shit how am I supposed to know which turtle is autistic and which one is tough?

Sonic lets you know everything you need to know just by looking at them

Sonic is the main guy
Tails is his sidecick
Amy is his girlfriend
Knuckles is the tough guy
Shadow is goth counterpart

The designs are perfect for anyone to understand. The turtles designs absolutely fail in every way


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>>136785189
>Like Toon Link.

Toon Link is an entirely different person to any of the other Links, though. Heck, the Spirit Tracks Toon Link is even an entirely different person to the Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass Toon Link. Whilst Classic/Modern Sonic are at base supposed to be the same individual.

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>>136792014
The point is that Classic and Modern look different due to art style. Minish Cap Link is also a Toon Link yet precedes Ocarina and takes place after Skyward Sword. In-universe, they didn't go from anime to cartoon, then back to anime. Too many fans out there don't get that and wrongly assume that Classic morphed into Modern down the line when those characters just always looked like that in-universe. It's just an art shift. It happens in all media.


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>>136792019
See >>136792017
2D sonic does not have to equal the genesis games exclusively. That's like saying the people who like New Super Mario Brothers are actually huge fans of the OG Mario games

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>>136792030
>That's like saying the people who like New Super Mario Brothers are actually huge fans of the OG Mario games
NSMB started as Super Mario Advance 5, the Mario Advance series being ports of previous Mario games. So yes, NSMB exists because they knew 2D Mario games still had a strong enough audience to warrant making a new game. Producers and developers don't do these things on a lark, usually.


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>>136792030
>That's like saying the people who like New Super Mario Brothers are actually huge fans of the OG Mario games
NSMB started as Super Mario Advance 5, the Mario Advance series being ports of previous Mario games. So yes, NSMB exists because they knew 2D Mario games still had a strong enough audience to warrant making a new game. Producers and developers don't do these things on a lark, usually.

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>>136792459
>>136792270
Yep. Delusional. Regardless Mania has no staying power at all. People like Sonic for the characters and that's why adventure will always be more popular


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>>136792017
It's evidence of their staying power. Mania carrying the torch of classic Sonic was a massive--the central, really--part of its marketing, and everything from the reused level concepts to the sprites to the promo art reflect this objective. All you have to do is look at the announcement trailer which begins with the old soundbite. If you think otherwise you are a delusional brainlet or underage or both. Yes, it was somebody's first 2D Sonic game. That doesn't change what it was leveraging.

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>>136792459
>>136792270
Yep. Delusional. Regardless Mania has no staying power at all. People like Sonic for the characters and that's why adventure will always be more popular


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>>136792054
>Anon said Mania is probably more popular than SA2 these days.
There's no way that's true just because Mania had basically no culture relevance. For better or worse, Adventure changed the fanbase and the internet

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>>136792134
>Adventure changed the fanbase and the internet
So did Mania
Literally every fucking fan game and fan art based on classic era, for 6 fucking years straight now, in some fucking way uses Mania inspiration in it one fucking way or another. You act like people actively fucking ignore Mania like the death plague or some shit, while I don't see every single modern Sonic fan work constantly cocksuck SA2 in particular, except, thanks to Frontiers, actively cocksucking SA2 directly in that game making it resurged as a recently. You stupid fucking sheep.


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>>136792134
>Adventure changed the fanbase and the internet
So did Mania
Literally every fucking fan game and fan art based on classic era, for 6 fucking years straight now, in some fucking way uses Mania inspiration in it one fucking way or another. You act like people actively fucking ignore Mania like the death plague or some shit, while I don't see every single modern Sonic fan work constantly cocksuck SA2 in particular, except, thanks to Frontiers, actively cocksucking SA2 directly in that game making it resurged as a recently. You stupid fucking sheep.

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>>136792615
>Admit you're wrong in your own post but still seethe and insult
Lmao


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>>136762169 (OP)
Sonic is continuously active in multiple mediums while once TMNT's current cartoon ends it enters a lull period before the next one.

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>>136762212
This, obviously.


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>>136792615
>Admit you're wrong in your own post but still seethe and insult
Lmao

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>>136792693
>No argument
I can count more classic Sonic fan games post Mania's release than the number of fingers on my hands can count to that has came into existance within the last 6 years.

How many can you for modern Sonic fan games that look exactly like SA2? ZERO. Go fuck yourself. More people rather ape off of boost era style than anything, and halfassfully slap some adventureshit in just to pander to your kind instead of a full, complete, directly inspiration look and all SA2 fan project.


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>>136792693
>No argument
I can count more classic Sonic fan games post Mania's release than the number of fingers on my hands can count to that has came into existance within the last 6 years.

How many can you for modern Sonic fan games that look exactly like SA2? ZERO. Go fuck yourself. More people rather ape off of boost era style than anything, and halfassfully slap some adventureshit in just to pander to your kind instead of a full, complete, directly inspiration look and all SA2 fan project.

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>>136792768
That's fan games. That shit ain't mainstream.


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>>136792768
That's fan games. That shit ain't mainstream.

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>>136792827
>Can't even follow the disucssion
>Fan content isn't mainstream
Neiter is SA2 if you think anyone outside the internet is going to mention SA2 daily. Hell people and kids now will casually talk about the movie Sonics far before they'd nerd out about some 20 year old outdated first 3D Sonic games.

When people talk about "classic Sonic culture" they mean all of the 90s media, not just the games, which you completely overlooked like 10 anons stating such, just so you can seethe against it.


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[User] Ugh... This thread sucks Donkey balls. I hate all of you.

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>>136792648
It turned into the typical shitnic thread. It's just a Sonicfags arguing with each other as usual. The the TMNT fans fucked off from the thread a long time ago.


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[User] How come TMNT failed to stay relevant while Sonic remained so despite mostly being trash? And yes, seriously asking this.

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>>136762169 (OP)
Tmnt just had a video game that outsold most of Sonic’s library for the last 10 years


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>>136792648
It turned into the typical shitnic thread. It's just a Sonicfags arguing with each other as usual. The the TMNT fans fucked off from the thread a long time ago.

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>>136792945
Almost like Sonicfags are delusional and annoying so no one likes dealing with them.


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>>136792945
Almost like Sonicfags are delusional and annoying so no one likes dealing with them.

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>>136793035
>so no one likes dealing with them.
I don't even like talking with these fuckers. Most of them are fucking insane and have some strange inferiority complex.


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>>136792693
>No argument
I can count more classic Sonic fan games post Mania's release than the number of fingers on my hands can count to that has came into existance within the last 6 years.

How many can you for modern Sonic fan games that look exactly like SA2? ZERO. Go fuck yourself. More people rather ape off of boost era style than anything, and halfassfully slap some adventureshit in just to pander to your kind instead of a full, complete, directly inspiration look and all SA2 fan project.

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>>136792768
You're missing the point, retard. Mania ain't doing shit to the sonic fandom. The reason those fangames are popular right now is because they're easy to do unlike adventure games and retards are hoping Sega will hire them. The point is that Adventure defined the sonic fan base and the current sonic culture of which everything is a spin off from. And yes, the movies are much much MUCH more related to Adventure than the OG games


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>>136762169 (OP)
>>136762250
>>136762212
>>136767845
>>136768781
>>136769077
>>136769204

HAHAHAHAHAH

This is the most delusional thread i’ve EVER seen.

In what reality is Sonic more relevant than TMNT? How do you even come to that conclusion, i’m actually curious.

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>>136771951
IF you write in e621 what appears more. Sonic porn or TMNT porn. This will answer your question.


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>>136792827
>Can't even follow the disucssion
>Fan content isn't mainstream
Neiter is SA2 if you think anyone outside the internet is going to mention SA2 daily. Hell people and kids now will casually talk about the movie Sonics far before they'd nerd out about some 20 year old outdated first 3D Sonic games.

When people talk about "classic Sonic culture" they mean all of the 90s media, not just the games, which you completely overlooked like 10 anons stating such, just so you can seethe against it.

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>>136792930
>Fan content isn't mainstream
It isn't. It's shit made by the fans for the fans. Do you not know what mainstream means?


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ask four people who their favorite ninja turtle is and you will get four different answers

ask four people who their favorite sonic friend is and they'll tell you about their favorite fast food because no one gives a shit about sonic

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>>136762286
>ask four people who their favorite ninja turtle is and you will get four different answers
Only if they're over 30


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>>136771951
IF you write in e621 what appears more. Sonic porn or TMNT porn. This will answer your question.

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>>136793078
That's not something to be proud of.


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Why are Sonicfags getting so angry over TMNT all of sudden?
First God of War, then Genshin, Mario, and now TMNT?

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>>136774183
The new God of War is garbage, what are you even getting at?


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>>136793078
That's not something to be proud of.

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>>136793136
But its a valid measuring stick, considering that both are focused around the same demographic. Teenagers and Manchildren.


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>>136792930
>Fan content isn't mainstream
It isn't. It's shit made by the fans for the fans. Do you not know what mainstream means?

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>>136793104
It also ignores that making a fan game based on classic sonic is infinitely easier than something like the 3D games which would require full on budgets while a Genesis clone just needs a few tools


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>>136792930
>Fan content isn't mainstream
It isn't. It's shit made by the fans for the fans. Do you not know what mainstream means?

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>>136793104
Neither is SA2, stupid nigger. Movie Sonic is mainstream.


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>>136779621
>>136784361
Knuckles isn't intended to be any race, but he's mostly based off of Meso-American civilizations. There's not really any truth to the rumor that he was meant to be literally Jamaican. Influence does not mean he is literally that thing.

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>>136791040
He has a Jamaican accent in the official guide book.


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>>136785010
>>Mariotehplumber
he's a troll

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>>136791948
Doesn’t matter when the only thing he’s playing up are his reactions. He’s said in videos where he’s much more normal that he does genuinely believe in the stuff he talks about, and he just plays it up when he’s on camera. He also still bought all the Rosalina amiibos just to keep them away from everyone out of spite.


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>>136792693
>No argument
I can count more classic Sonic fan games post Mania's release than the number of fingers on my hands can count to that has came into existance within the last 6 years.

How many can you for modern Sonic fan games that look exactly like SA2? ZERO. Go fuck yourself. More people rather ape off of boost era style than anything, and halfassfully slap some adventureshit in just to pander to your kind instead of a full, complete, directly inspiration look and all SA2 fan project.

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>>136792768
Got any names?
Sonic has some pretty good fangames, the last one I tried was the Triple Trouble remake.


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>>136792693
>No argument
I can count more classic Sonic fan games post Mania's release than the number of fingers on my hands can count to that has came into existance within the last 6 years.

How many can you for modern Sonic fan games that look exactly like SA2? ZERO. Go fuck yourself. More people rather ape off of boost era style than anything, and halfassfully slap some adventureshit in just to pander to your kind instead of a full, complete, directly inspiration look and all SA2 fan project.

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>>136792768
>Anon thinks it's shocking that a sprite based retri platformer is easier to make full fan game around than fucking so I'd adventure 1 and 2
I hope you're just pretending and aren't actually this stupid.


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>>136787457
Black people don't have the complexion of a white person who's slightly more tan than another white person. Knuckles' skin tone in that image would be like, a Greek, Italian, light skinned Arab or Mexican at best? No person of black heritage has that skin color, don't be a retard.

>>136787466
>TMNT
>Turtles mutated by chemicals who fight an evil ninja clan and aliens

>Sonic
>A super powered hedgehog who lives in a world with both anthros and real animals, no human population but sometimes yes, fights an evil mad scientist human who wants to take over the world by using animals to fuel his robots and/or turn animals into robots

Nah, one isn't less convoluted than the other, and if one is it's probably Sonic due to the fact that there are lots of inconsistencies in how his world even works

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>>136787525
>If I make it more wordy, that means it's more complex!
Faggot. Verbosity for verbosity is not an argument.


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>>136792768
You're missing the point, retard. Mania ain't doing shit to the sonic fandom. The reason those fangames are popular right now is because they're easy to do unlike adventure games and retards are hoping Sega will hire them. The point is that Adventure defined the sonic fan base and the current sonic culture of which everything is a spin off from. And yes, the movies are much much MUCH more related to Adventure than the OG games

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>>136793077
>And yes, the movies are much much MUCH more related to Adventure than the OG games
Dude Adventure finished the story arc of the classic OG games. What the fuck are you talking about?
The movie reminded me more of Sonic X (not the game adaptation episodes, mind you, just the rest of Season 1).


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>>136793077
>And yes, the movies are much much MUCH more related to Adventure than the OG games
Dude Adventure finished the story arc of the classic OG games. What the fuck are you talking about?
The movie reminded me more of Sonic X (not the game adaptation episodes, mind you, just the rest of Season 1).

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>>136794770
The story of Sonic Adventure is that some slimes (that didn't exist in the previous games) are going to destroy the world (by Eggman with the chaos emeralds). That isn't an arc, or anything being "finished". That's the same story of the previous games with an extra gimmick.


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>>136794770
The story of Sonic Adventure is that some slimes (that didn't exist in the previous games) are going to destroy the world (by Eggman with the chaos emeralds). That isn't an arc, or anything being "finished". That's the same story of the previous games with an extra gimmick.

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>>136794954
>(that didn't exist in the previous games)
They were alluded to in the Japanese backstory of Sonic 2.
>In the distant past, the people of the island used mysterious stones to develop their civilization and achieve the prosperity they desired.
>However, all of that prosperity came to nothing overnight when people tried to use the stones incorrectly, and the stones were sealed away somewhere on the island by the gods.
3 gave us a closer look into the civilization, and gave us an animal race for what they were.
Adventure gave us the creatures that lived among these ruins, and the actual destructive forces that caused the collapse of the civilization.

Adventure 2's where the story started to diverge by getting into the backstory of Robotnik's family and starting the Shadow mini-arc.


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>>136791040
He has a Jamaican accent in the official guide book.

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>>136793951
Only in that guidebook. He has an American accent everywhere else.


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>>136792768
Got any names?
Sonic has some pretty good fangames, the last one I tried was the Triple Trouble remake.

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>>136794252
>Got any names?
Sonic Studio
Sonic Core Engine
Sonic Gaiden
Sonic and the Fallen Star
Sonic Galactic
Sonic Hysteria


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>>136792768
>Anon thinks it's shocking that a sprite based retri platformer is easier to make full fan game around than fucking so I'd adventure 1 and 2
I hope you're just pretending and aren't actually this stupid.

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>>136794629
No one said this, and you're the retard because Spark 2/3 already exist and proves anyone in their basement can make 2 complete 3D Sonic games in record time, not to mention P06, Robo Blast 2, Omens, Sonic GT, etc. All of these 3D games exist, but none of them actively tried to be SA2. They all just use the latest HD 3D Sonic or the most classic of 3D Classic Sonics.


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>>136771981
>Actual decent explanation for why one brand has more social sticking power while another is more relevant in merch.
>Completely ignored in favor of fandom shitflinging.

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>>136791956
you'll notice that pattern a fair bit in this god awful thread and similar awful threads of this caliber.


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>>136794629
No one said this, and you're the retard because Spark 2/3 already exist and proves anyone in their basement can make 2 complete 3D Sonic games in record time, not to mention P06, Robo Blast 2, Omens, Sonic GT, etc. All of these 3D games exist, but none of them actively tried to be SA2. They all just use the latest HD 3D Sonic or the most classic of 3D Classic Sonics.

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>>136795905
>No one said this
You implied it by saying that Mania having more fan games means it's more valued in the fandom.
Tard.


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>>136784852
>Chris
>Mariotehplumber
>well adjusted
You’re either a zoomer, or you’re blatantly lying.

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>>136785010
>mariotehplumber
he was a troll, the only time he ever really took the joke too far was by wasting thousands of dollars on Rosalina Amiibos and trashing them which got nintendo fans on his ass
Not quite Jace Connors getting a visit from the FBI for threatening to street race a tranny to the grave, but also not something that’s hard to laugh at
>chris
He’s more of a pokemon/horse show fan than he ever was a sonic fan
Sonichu doesnt reference anything beyond SA2


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>>136785109
>>136784675
Shut the fuck up 35 year old Christmas 92 babby. Sonic CD, Sonic 3, and both Adventure games all explored darker themes compared to Sonic 1 and 2 and all were very well received upon release and people love them to this day. Play more games.

Ironically you nostalgiafaggots tend to love SatAM which is much more grimdark than any Sonic game.

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>>136790996
Sonic CD, Sonic 3, and SatAM are all entirely appropriate for kids, any darkness is "kids show dark" and nothing more, and that's how it should be

Sonic doesn't swear, he doesn't use realistic guns, it's not aimed at teens


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[User] Sonicfags FEARS the essay videos

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>>136796587
Nigga, Sonicfags are the ones that are consuming and making hundreds of video essays to inspire the autism on display here. How else would you get people to think that 25 year old janky games are dark inspiring masterpieces?


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>>136796587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MWOZnNASbY [Embed]


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Sonic Adventure 2 is literally only relevant to non Sonic fans (sorry if you're a Nintendo fan, you're not a Sonic fan) who had Gamecube

Gamecube itself is an irrelevant console only referenced by late Millennials/Zoomers who have nostalgia for it, nobody older than them likes it and nobody after them will ever like it because it was middling and the worst console of its generation.

Furthermore, if you think you're a Sonic fan and weren't alive in the 90's, you have no idea what you're talking about because you missed the era of Sonic, it's like claiming to be a Pokemon fan when you missed Gen 1. You just do not have any idea what it was like when said thing was in peak popularity, so all this talk of "ACKSHULLY IT WAS MORE POPULAR WHEN I GOT INTO IT" is a pathetic cope and straight up lie because you can't accept that your childhood wasn't the best era for your autistic interest, get over it

Sonic had 3 whole cartoons, 4 counting the OVA, in the span of the 90's. In the 00s....he just had Sonic X, a show nobody gave a shit about because Sonic as a major trend was over.

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>>136796659
I don't even really care about 2000s Sonic, but this is blatantly wrong. Sonic X was popular around most of the world. The GBA and PS2 era was really popular. Sonic continued to be a popular thing in the 2000s with new audiences, even if there were bigger fish.


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[User] How come TMNT failed to stay relevant while Sonic remained so despite mostly being trash? And yes, seriously asking this.

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>>136762169 (OP)
TMNT relied on its showrunners to keep changing things to keep it in the public eye. Invariably, it got in the hands of incompetents, causing a dropoff in relevance. It can still return to prominence but it will be a while since the IP holders are insisting on shitting it up with a fugly fat April. Sonic was kept relevant by its hardcore fanbase. Sega was reminded this after the backlash to the original movie design got shit on so badly. Had they insisted on keeping the trash design, Sonic wouldn't have been the biggest box office draw of 2020.


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TMNTs iterations are becoming far too divorced from one another. Fans don't have reason to assume a new entry is even intended for them at this point. There's just so little connecting fiber regardless of quality.
Even the most drastically different modern Sonic project, Boom, was really not that different from the normal depiction the characters. And Sega has gone out of their way to try and present things like the classic games and even current comic run as being part of one compatible thing.
When someone says they like Sonic today, you have a general idea of what kind of nerd they are.
When someone says they like TMNT, people ask "what part."

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>>136789798
This


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[User] It's funny people saying because "furries" but all the TMNT characters and rip offs are more anthro than Sonic characters, in fact is weird that things like Biker Mice from Mars aren't popular with furries.

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>>136797864
Furries like cuter looking character designs that they can warp into their art. Rarely is an anthro character well received as they like Wolf from Bad Guys as an example. Look at Zootopia the characters don't look too far removed from being upright animals but the furries make them taller for starters and go way off model. Then you have examples like Aggretsuko and Animal Crossing. Furries like more mascot designs that they can bastardize into being sexual and fetishistic.

Though about TMNT? One of the reasons the furries don't care about them is the turtles are scaly. Furries like fur. But the other thing you need to remember is furries have to like a character and most TMNT characters are frankly garbage. The most popular non core main character of TMNT is Alopex and she is easily one of the shittiest characters this franchise has fueled by abysmal shit writing. In her case what saves her is she's a fox and furries worship foxes. But yes the overall abysmal writing for TMNT acts as character assassination. One incarnation of an established TMNT character is wildly different from the next time they show up. Any other franchise also does not suffer from this set back.


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[User] How come TMNT failed to stay relevant while Sonic remained so despite mostly being trash? And yes, seriously asking this.

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>>136762169 (OP)
In the last years Sonic had:
>two successful live-action movies
>a cartoon that while cancelled got memed to hell and back due to its meta jokes
>another cartoon that seems to have been decently received
>an actually decent game with bitching soundtrack after a series of turds
Meanwhile TMNT got:
>those Michael Bay abortions
>the 2012 series
>Rise
>the new series everyone is complaining about?
None of which really got really embraced by the public.


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[User]
>>136796659
I don't even really care about 2000s Sonic, but this is blatantly wrong. Sonic X was popular around most of the world. The GBA and PS2 era was really popular. Sonic continued to be a popular thing in the 2000s with new audiences, even if there were bigger fish.

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>>136796781
Sonic wasn't dead in the 00s, but he was nowhere near as popular as he was in the 90s. Sonic in the 90s was on top of the gaming franchise hill, Sonic in the 00s was not. That's the point. Sonic X was popular in the same way Medabots and Beyblade was popular, not in the same way 90s Sonic was popular, which is to say he was one of the most popular things invented during that decade.

>>136798164
>>136789798
I mean, not this, it's just untrue. Sonic's shows are about as divorced from one another as TMNTs are, again we're dealing with zoomies who are pretending the bulk of Sonic's media didn't come out in the 90s


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[User]
>>136789798
This

[Assistant]
>>136796781
Sonic wasn't dead in the 00s, but he was nowhere near as popular as he was in the 90s. Sonic in the 90s was on top of the gaming franchise hill, Sonic in the 00s was not. That's the point. Sonic X was popular in the same way Medabots and Beyblade was popular, not in the same way 90s Sonic was popular, which is to say he was one of the most popular things invented during that decade.

>>136798164
>>136789798
I mean, not this, it's just untrue. Sonic's shows are about as divorced from one another as TMNTs are, again we're dealing with zoomies who are pretending the bulk of Sonic's media didn't come out in the 90s


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[User]
TMNTs iterations are becoming far too divorced from one another. Fans don't have reason to assume a new entry is even intended for them at this point. There's just so little connecting fiber regardless of quality.
Even the most drastically different modern Sonic project, Boom, was really not that different from the normal depiction the characters. And Sega has gone out of their way to try and present things like the classic games and even current comic run as being part of one compatible thing.
When someone says they like Sonic today, you have a general idea of what kind of nerd they are.
When someone says they like TMNT, people ask "what part."

[Assistant]
>>136796781
Sonic wasn't dead in the 00s, but he was nowhere near as popular as he was in the 90s. Sonic in the 90s was on top of the gaming franchise hill, Sonic in the 00s was not. That's the point. Sonic X was popular in the same way Medabots and Beyblade was popular, not in the same way 90s Sonic was popular, which is to say he was one of the most popular things invented during that decade.

>>136798164
>>136789798
I mean, not this, it's just untrue. Sonic's shows are about as divorced from one another as TMNTs are, again we're dealing with zoomies who are pretending the bulk of Sonic's media didn't come out in the 90s


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136762169 (OP)
In the last years Sonic had:
>two successful live-action movies
>a cartoon that while cancelled got memed to hell and back due to its meta jokes
>another cartoon that seems to have been decently received
>an actually decent game with bitching soundtrack after a series of turds
Meanwhile TMNT got:
>those Michael Bay abortions
>the 2012 series
>Rise
>the new series everyone is complaining about?
None of which really got really embraced by the public.

[Assistant]
>>136799026
It's really disingenuous to say Sonic's cartoons have been better received then TMNT

Sonic Boom has a shitload of people pissing about it and it was hugely divisive, just like Rise. Sonic Prime is barely discussed at all even if somewhat well received, while TMNT 2012 was somewhat well received, but certainly had more fanfare and introduced more people to TMNT than Prime has for Sonic

Also live action Sonic is on the same level as the live action TMNT, it being more well liked doesn't change that. Michael Bay TMNT vs. Smurfs/Garfield Sonic? Yeah, as a fan of both, neither is good, stop pretending.


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>>136797864
Furries like cuter looking character designs that they can warp into their art. Rarely is an anthro character well received as they like Wolf from Bad Guys as an example. Look at Zootopia the characters don't look too far removed from being upright animals but the furries make them taller for starters and go way off model. Then you have examples like Aggretsuko and Animal Crossing. Furries like more mascot designs that they can bastardize into being sexual and fetishistic.

Though about TMNT? One of the reasons the furries don't care about them is the turtles are scaly. Furries like fur. But the other thing you need to remember is furries have to like a character and most TMNT characters are frankly garbage. The most popular non core main character of TMNT is Alopex and she is easily one of the shittiest characters this franchise has fueled by abysmal shit writing. In her case what saves her is she's a fox and furries worship foxes. But yes the overall abysmal writing for TMNT acts as character assassination. One incarnation of an established TMNT character is wildly different from the next time they show up. Any other franchise also does not suffer from this set back.

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>>136799007
>One incarnation of an established TMNT character is wildly different from the next time they show up
Not any more than Sonic. TMNT is responsible, funny, nerdy, tough. Shredder is evil.

I don't get why people are pretending Sonic has more consistent characterizations, almost seems like half the people are either lying or just never actually watched Sonics media. Sonic himself ranges from generic cool hero to cocky raditude smug man, Robotnik is always varying degrees of comical baffoon to pure evil, wacky arrogant scientist or fucking hitler.


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[User]
>>136799007
>One incarnation of an established TMNT character is wildly different from the next time they show up
Not any more than Sonic. TMNT is responsible, funny, nerdy, tough. Shredder is evil.

I don't get why people are pretending Sonic has more consistent characterizations, almost seems like half the people are either lying or just never actually watched Sonics media. Sonic himself ranges from generic cool hero to cocky raditude smug man, Robotnik is always varying degrees of comical baffoon to pure evil, wacky arrogant scientist or fucking hitler.

[Assistant]
>>136799896
Eggman has always been doing horrible shit to animals and the environment since the very beginning. He’s always been a bastard.


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>>136799896
Eggman has always been doing horrible shit to animals and the environment since the very beginning. He’s always been a bastard.

[Assistant]
>>136800483
>regularly uses innocent animals as robot batteries, and also regulary tries to kill a bunch of characters who are mostly still teenagers and literal children.
>came close to going full suicide bomber on Station Square, and would have destroyed the city from the start had Perfect Chaos not beaten him to the punch
>blew up half of the moon and attempted to fire said cannon on the planet
>took advantage of a robot’s kindness and then drove said robot insane
>wasted all of Little Planet’s resources in CD and would let the whole planet rot
>created echological disasters in zones like Scrap Brain, Chemical Plant and Oil Ocean
>split the planet, possibly (as in, there's no way he wouldn't have but it's a kid friendly game so they can't say it) killing millions
>built an amusement park with many lethal and horrifying rides
>kidnapped an innocent alien race and corrupted many of them into mindless monsters, using them to power a mind control cannon
>allowed Infinite to kill whoever he wanted with no complaint and only got tired of Infinite’s sadism out of pragmatism, not for any moral reasons
>in futures ruled by him, it's all twisted steel, pollution, and ruin, to the point that even his own creations are in pitiable states
>conjured a second sun to crash down on the earth to wipe out any remaining resistance