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>>137004812
It doesn’t fail at an allegory.

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>>137004944
It does, because the form of oppression never moved beyond the government openly plotting their extermination and random lynch mobs popping up to hang children for being part shark or whathaveyou.

A good modern oppression allegory would, alongside actual violence, explore things like systemic injustice, or things like the silent, repressed bigotry people hold when it is no longer socially acceptable to do so overtly. X-Men cannot do these things because it is a book about people with spectacular powers fighting nazi-bots. Everything the books do is because the X-Men need to be violently oppressed to be exciting. The books actually act like the rest of the Marvel universe's disregard for the mutant plight is some kind of active character trait of ambivalence towards the latest sentinel genocide when the truth is the stories they want to tell with those characters simply don't gel with the presence of a constant anti-mutant genocide crusade. It's why people constantly say that the X-Men should be given their own universe where it could at least be explored in a way that makes sense in its own setting.


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>>137005802
>No, I mean you never see a college student stand up and "own" Jordan Peterson with facts & logic.
You do. When someone has a cell phone in the audience.

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>>137005883
I've literally never seen it, unless you're applying a very generous interpretation of what "owning" is.


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>>137005781
No, I mean you never see a college student stand up and "own" Jordan Peterson with facts & logic. They never act rational, they're never articulate and they never act respectfully.

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>>137005802
A face-to-face debate isn't a place for rationality, it's a place for force of personality. The point is to convince anyone who's listening as they're listening and that means the effective strategy isn't to be careful with your words and fact check, it's to sound like you know what you're talking about and let the other person speak as little as possible.


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>>137005802
A face-to-face debate isn't a place for rationality, it's a place for force of personality. The point is to convince anyone who's listening as they're listening and that means the effective strategy isn't to be careful with your words and fact check, it's to sound like you know what you're talking about and let the other person speak as little as possible.

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>>137005961
What a crock of shit.


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>>137005961
What a crock of shit.

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>>137005974
He's not wrong. A common tactic of all these "thought leaders" and influencer guys is to just talk really fast and really loud so the other guy seems overwhelmed and can't get a word in. But if you actually look at a transcript you see the influencer guy isn't really saying anything of substance, he's just saying a *lot*,


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This analog just doesn't work because the bigotry the X-Men face isn't really written to be believable, it's written to last forever. There needs to be perpetual animosity between mutants and their villains so they can keep making books because that is the only way for Marvel to exist. Their stories can't end. It's the same reason why Spider-Man and MJ aren't allowed to be together- when they feel that the X-Men are growing adequately stale they WILL destroy Krakoa, and it won't be because humanity is simply that intolerant and the story was leading up to it all along, it'll be because Marvel needs shock money and a shake-up.

And that's just par for the course. It wouldn't annoy me the way it does if I hadn't seen X-Men fans saying shit like "minorities should have safe spaces!" Like a fucking ethnostate is equivalent to any other community. Marvel has a book that inadvertently or otherwise advocates for the white supremacist talking point that we can only co-exist if we're kept apart and a lot of their fans are not only acting like it's based but treating it as though it's an applicable real world allegory.

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>>137004421
She may have died before Decimation and was ressed in krakoa


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>>137004376
Despite how many X-men fans and writers never let Decimation go, they forget that the majority of current day mutants that actually have their powers were either one of the 198 that Decimation missed (aka someone named), or had their X-gene forcibly activated by the Phoenix Force during the events of Avengers vs X-men. Hence, either the stone girl in the opening image was somehow one of the 198 and yet never identified by a single person, or they were only a mutant for a relatively short time due to how recent AvX would have been in-universe.

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>>137003279
>>137004421
She may have died before Decimation and was ressed in krakoa


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>>137005961
What a crock of shit.

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>>137005974
If the point of a debate was to get the truth out it wouldn't be a brief, televised thing, it would be a long form discussion with careful fact checking back and forth. When you have something like debate clubs in school they have exercises where you're asked to debate in favor of something stupid that you don't agree with because being correct isn't what it is to be good at debating.

I vaguely remember one time where there was unanimous agreement that Trump won one of his debates with Clinton- in that same debate, he made the claim that there was absolutely no reason to warn terrorist occupied villages that we were about to bomb them. When the mediator tried to get in the word that it's (obviously) to give noncombatants fair chance to leave, he barks over her, "there's no reason." It wasn't that what he was saying was rational or right, it's that Clinton looked weak. He bludgeoned her to death. Debates are theater, not education. They're tailor-made to promote rhetoric and propaganda above all else.


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>>137005974
If the point of a debate was to get the truth out it wouldn't be a brief, televised thing, it would be a long form discussion with careful fact checking back and forth. When you have something like debate clubs in school they have exercises where you're asked to debate in favor of something stupid that you don't agree with because being correct isn't what it is to be good at debating.

I vaguely remember one time where there was unanimous agreement that Trump won one of his debates with Clinton- in that same debate, he made the claim that there was absolutely no reason to warn terrorist occupied villages that we were about to bomb them. When the mediator tried to get in the word that it's (obviously) to give noncombatants fair chance to leave, he barks over her, "there's no reason." It wasn't that what he was saying was rational or right, it's that Clinton looked weak. He bludgeoned her to death. Debates are theater, not education. They're tailor-made to promote rhetoric and propaganda above all else.

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>>137006041
Moreover he wouldn't have thrown a tantrum when they set the rules that his mic would get muted so that whoever he was up against at the time could actually respond.


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>>137004944
It does, because the form of oppression never moved beyond the government openly plotting their extermination and random lynch mobs popping up to hang children for being part shark or whathaveyou.

A good modern oppression allegory would, alongside actual violence, explore things like systemic injustice, or things like the silent, repressed bigotry people hold when it is no longer socially acceptable to do so overtly. X-Men cannot do these things because it is a book about people with spectacular powers fighting nazi-bots. Everything the books do is because the X-Men need to be violently oppressed to be exciting. The books actually act like the rest of the Marvel universe's disregard for the mutant plight is some kind of active character trait of ambivalence towards the latest sentinel genocide when the truth is the stories they want to tell with those characters simply don't gel with the presence of a constant anti-mutant genocide crusade. It's why people constantly say that the X-Men should be given their own universe where it could at least be explored in a way that makes sense in its own setting.

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>>137005918
>because the form of oppression never moved beyond the government openly plotting their extermination

Except where Genosga got wiped out. When the school was massacred during Decimation. When Genosha had literally lobotomised and enslaved all mutants within their border and even went after people who had escaped. When Weapon X created literal concentration camps and exterminated tons of mutants in Canada. When Days of Future Past happened and got thwarted thanks to time travel. When Operation Zero Tolerance happened. When they had proposed legislation about basically control and prevent mutant breeding…


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>>136988892 (OP)
>You were a CIS white male

Good way to immediately disregard everything the person said


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>>137004742
>Except he isn’t because being an Avenger didn’t change his life as a mutant one bit for the better. He was still being targeted and attacked for being a mutant.
Pietro and Wanda had a relatively spotless experience while on the Avengers. They caught shit because they were a part of an organization called themselves The Brotherhood of EVIL Mutants more than just being mutants. Wolverine has such a checkered history, that more people were coming after him for something he did in the past, him getting constant death threats and attempts on his life has more to do with his lifestyle. More people have better reasons for killing him that don't involve him being a mutant.
>They’re discriminated and oppressed everywhere.
>everywhere
Citation needed. Beak was living just fine. Whirlwind is a criminal not singled out for being a mutant, and Spitfire's entire career is nearly clear of any that shit. There are more than a few mutants saying that their life is just fine and that Krakoa is full of weirdoes. Wolverine even attempted to kidnap Molly simply because she looked up a website about the place.
>Look at how much bad shit Avengers roster members are involved with but it doesn’t sully their reputation for long.
Which Avengers were known terrorists that advocated for racial supremacy, and still does, while having a body count within the five to six digit range? That's the guy Wolverine is cool with, that's the guy he doesn't see as a problem, it's the nasty humans that are the issue.

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>>137004819
X-Books even flatout stated that the UK was largely free of anti-mutant sentiment. So of course when Krakoa came around the UK was suddenly and had always been the opposite. It's a franchise that destroys its history to prop up its present.


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>>137004819
X-Books even flatout stated that the UK was largely free of anti-mutant sentiment. So of course when Krakoa came around the UK was suddenly and had always been the opposite. It's a franchise that destroys its history to prop up its present.

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>>137006608
Sort of like how nobody cared about trans issues until suddenly the UK turned into terf island.


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>>137005918
>because the form of oppression never moved beyond the government openly plotting their extermination

Except where Genosga got wiped out. When the school was massacred during Decimation. When Genosha had literally lobotomised and enslaved all mutants within their border and even went after people who had escaped. When Weapon X created literal concentration camps and exterminated tons of mutants in Canada. When Days of Future Past happened and got thwarted thanks to time travel. When Operation Zero Tolerance happened. When they had proposed legislation about basically control and prevent mutant breeding…

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>>137006439
I'm not sure what your point is? The state of things for mutants never moved beyond "seemingly everyone wants them subjugated or gone for one reason or another." It's something that doesn't make sense within the marvel universe and makes for a poor allegory without because that's not really the state of things for minorities in reality.


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>>137006608
Sort of like how nobody cared about trans issues until suddenly the UK turned into terf island.

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>>137006618
People always hated trannies though


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>>137004819
>Well not every single mutant is oppressed!

Wow what a great argument. I guess racism can’t exist if one black person didn’t personally experience being
 discriminated by cops

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>>137004957
The existence of an oppressed mutant does not imply the oppression of all mutants nor does it imply a baseline level of oppression.


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>>137005099
Magneto has been exonerated by courts and has been a ruler of his own country with diplomatic immunity. Meanwhile Captain America has conquered America and turned into a fascist state but that’s okay I guess because um he used steroids

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>>137005140
Magneto has not only used manipulation to secure his exoneration, the X-Men actively tried to prevent him from goingnto trial at all.


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>>137004957
The existence of an oppressed mutant does not imply the oppression of all mutants nor does it imply a baseline level of oppression.

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>>137006758
True. Large scale oppression, discrimination and outright genocide that has occurred meanwhile proves that mutants are being oppressed and specifically targeted as a group and the hate and violence tends to target people who are not guilty of anything.


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>>137005918
>because the form of oppression never moved beyond the government openly plotting their extermination

Except where Genosga got wiped out. When the school was massacred during Decimation. When Genosha had literally lobotomised and enslaved all mutants within their border and even went after people who had escaped. When Weapon X created literal concentration camps and exterminated tons of mutants in Canada. When Days of Future Past happened and got thwarted thanks to time travel. When Operation Zero Tolerance happened. When they had proposed legislation about basically control and prevent mutant breeding…

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>>137006439
Oh boy, time for X-Men history. Genosha was wiped out by Cassandra Nova, a mutant. Emma Frost forcibly expelled all depowered students and staff and marched them out of the front gates. The ruling status quo of Genosha was overthrown and the country integrated for years before Magneto forcibly seized Genosha, resulting in Magento ethnically cleansing the island including the Genoshan mutates. The X-Men freely operate with Weapon X members, including Neverland staff, and despite knowing about it allowed it to continue to operate for years. DoFP was created by Shaw and Frost Sentinels. O:ZT was a manipulation of the US government by Bastion, a magical kludge of a Hellfire Club Master Mold and Nimrod created by the X-Men's actions, and which stopped immediately when the government realized they were being manipulated.


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>>137006439
I'm not sure what your point is? The state of things for mutants never moved beyond "seemingly everyone wants them subjugated or gone for one reason or another." It's something that doesn't make sense within the marvel universe and makes for a poor allegory without because that's not really the state of things for minorities in reality.

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>>137006657
Since Claremont's Shadow King plot was denied, the in universe explanation is that Shaw and Frost completely fucked over mutants in order to sell Sentinels so hard it literally changed human civilization.


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>>137006758
True. Large scale oppression, discrimination and outright genocide that has occurred meanwhile proves that mutants are being oppressed and specifically targeted as a group and the hate and violence tends to target people who are not guilty of anything.

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>>137006784
You'd be hard pressed to cite examples that don't wind up being linked to mutants in someway. In fact, you're basically stuck with Canada and 80s Genosha.


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>>136988892 (OP)
Bobby Hill on the right


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>>136988892 (OP)
haha! take that cancer patients!


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>>136988892 (OP)
Lol at people in this thread actually defending this trash, even unironically


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>>137006439
Oh boy, time for X-Men history. Genosha was wiped out by Cassandra Nova, a mutant. Emma Frost forcibly expelled all depowered students and staff and marched them out of the front gates. The ruling status quo of Genosha was overthrown and the country integrated for years before Magneto forcibly seized Genosha, resulting in Magento ethnically cleansing the island including the Genoshan mutates. The X-Men freely operate with Weapon X members, including Neverland staff, and despite knowing about it allowed it to continue to operate for years. DoFP was created by Shaw and Frost Sentinels. O:ZT was a manipulation of the US government by Bastion, a magical kludge of a Hellfire Club Master Mold and Nimrod created by the X-Men's actions, and which stopped immediately when the government realized they were being manipulated.

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>>137007181
>Genosha was wiped out by Cassandra Nova, a mutant.
By using sentinels, whose only function is to kill mutants, created by humans.
>Emma Frost forcibly expelled all depowered students and staff and marched them out of the front gates.
And then mutant haters killed the students when they were driving away.
>The ruling status quo of Genosha was overthrown and the country integrated for years before
Genosha didn’t peacefully integrate, it had huge civil war and unrest
>Magneto forcibly seized Genosha
The UN gave Genosha to him
>The X-Men freely operate with Weapon X members, including Neverland staff
And who ran Neverland and Weapon X? A mutant hating human who used brainwashing to control other people.

>DoFP was created by Shaw and Frost Sentinels.
No, it was created by humanity that decided to eradicate mutants and gave Shaw’s company the contract to build new sentinels.

>O:ZT was a manipulation of the US government by Bastion

And Bastion is a combination of robots who were created by humanity to solely eradicate mutants.

Time and time again humanity is the one pushing for creation of tools to destroy mutants. Some evil mutants occasionally being tied to it in some level does not suddenly make humanity not be the primary force rallying to commit genocide.


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>>136988892 (OP)
She should have been euthanized.
'Suffer not the xenos, witches or the mutant'.


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>Roxanne Washington was born into hip-hop "royalty" as the daughter of Roy "Daddy Libido" Washington and Angel "Sexy Mutha" Depres. Having appeared in her parents' rap videos from a young age, Washington was often targeted by would-be kidnappers and assassins

She literally lied to him.

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>>137005592
Do writers even know who the fuck they're writing half the time, or did they just not give a fuck about this glorified extra that they felt like they could insert whatever about her and people should just nod their head and accept her account?


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>>137007181
>Genosha was wiped out by Cassandra Nova, a mutant.
By using sentinels, whose only function is to kill mutants, created by humans.
>Emma Frost forcibly expelled all depowered students and staff and marched them out of the front gates.
And then mutant haters killed the students when they were driving away.
>The ruling status quo of Genosha was overthrown and the country integrated for years before
Genosha didn’t peacefully integrate, it had huge civil war and unrest
>Magneto forcibly seized Genosha
The UN gave Genosha to him
>The X-Men freely operate with Weapon X members, including Neverland staff
And who ran Neverland and Weapon X? A mutant hating human who used brainwashing to control other people.

>DoFP was created by Shaw and Frost Sentinels.
No, it was created by humanity that decided to eradicate mutants and gave Shaw’s company the contract to build new sentinels.

>O:ZT was a manipulation of the US government by Bastion

And Bastion is a combination of robots who were created by humanity to solely eradicate mutants.

Time and time again humanity is the one pushing for creation of tools to destroy mutants. Some evil mutants occasionally being tied to it in some level does not suddenly make humanity not be the primary force rallying to commit genocide.

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>>137008184
>all of humanity is responsible for the actions of some mutant haters but "some evil mutants" are just outliers


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>>137003656
Yeah and that's wrong. Ben's pain isn't meaningless and brushing off the suffering of others because you perceive yourself to have "suffered more" is just a sign of an inflated ego. Even people who suffer can be shitty people like that.

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>>137003744

Oooh, don't let Lily Orchard hear you say that.


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Eh, fuggit, I'll post it myself.

This is one of the other mutants that are trying to tear down Ben for his words, btw, in case you had any doubts if we're supposed to side with these multi-assholed jerks

>>136989325
She lives on mutant sex island where she can be revived from death into a new perfect body, 3d print anything she wants, and fuck as much as she wants before dumping any kids in the bushes

She and the other mutants live a life of supreme luxury even compared to the everloving Thing

>>136989465
It's ironically too modern culture warrior for a mutant to spit out, especially when they repeatedly both take the position that they're an oppressed minority by the "flatscans" while simultaneously talking shit about how they're genetically superior and going to outbreed humanity in the near future.

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>>136989518
>She and the other mutants live a life of supreme luxury even compared to the everloving Thing

my boy, they live in a jungle


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>>137008184
>all of humanity is responsible for the actions of some mutant haters but "some evil mutants" are just outliers

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>>137008296
Humans are consistently shown to have it against mutants in highly large numbers and often with the help of actual institutional government power backing their hate and goal to murder mutants. It’s not few bad apples scenario.


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>>136989518
>She and the other mutants live a life of supreme luxury even compared to the everloving Thing

my boy, they live in a jungle

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>>137008467
>my boy, they live in a jungle
They do have buildings to live in. And the jungle is sentient and serves them in exchange for protection.


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>>136988892 (OP)
Just to be clear and give context to OP’s pic, this is a mutant dissing Ben Grimm

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>>136988908
More proof Mutie hate is justified.


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Eh, fuggit, I'll post it myself.

This is one of the other mutants that are trying to tear down Ben for his words, btw, in case you had any doubts if we're supposed to side with these multi-assholed jerks

>>136989325
She lives on mutant sex island where she can be revived from death into a new perfect body, 3d print anything she wants, and fuck as much as she wants before dumping any kids in the bushes

She and the other mutants live a life of supreme luxury even compared to the everloving Thing

>>136989465
It's ironically too modern culture warrior for a mutant to spit out, especially when they repeatedly both take the position that they're an oppressed minority by the "flatscans" while simultaneously talking shit about how they're genetically superior and going to outbreed humanity in the near future.

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>>136989518
What's this from anyway?


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>>137003618
>>137003627
>>137003635
Megatron was right.


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>>137003618
>>137003627
>>137003635
Megatron was right.


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>>137007181
>Genosha was wiped out by Cassandra Nova, a mutant.
By using sentinels, whose only function is to kill mutants, created by humans.
>Emma Frost forcibly expelled all depowered students and staff and marched them out of the front gates.
And then mutant haters killed the students when they were driving away.
>The ruling status quo of Genosha was overthrown and the country integrated for years before
Genosha didn’t peacefully integrate, it had huge civil war and unrest
>Magneto forcibly seized Genosha
The UN gave Genosha to him
>The X-Men freely operate with Weapon X members, including Neverland staff
And who ran Neverland and Weapon X? A mutant hating human who used brainwashing to control other people.

>DoFP was created by Shaw and Frost Sentinels.
No, it was created by humanity that decided to eradicate mutants and gave Shaw’s company the contract to build new sentinels.

>O:ZT was a manipulation of the US government by Bastion

And Bastion is a combination of robots who were created by humanity to solely eradicate mutants.

Time and time again humanity is the one pushing for creation of tools to destroy mutants. Some evil mutants occasionally being tied to it in some level does not suddenly make humanity not be the primary force rallying to commit genocide.

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>>137008184
All the Trask Sentinels were destroyed by the Avengers. Starting with Stephen Lang all Sentinels were built by Frost and Shaw. Weapon X had several voluntary mutant operatives andnit doesn't explain why the X-Men never shut it down. Shaw and Frost literally stoked tensions and staged false flag attacks to push Sentinels on an originally uninterested US government. Humanity as a whole is not genocidal towards mutants even within X-Men comics and evil mutants are often directly involved.


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>>137008296
Humans are consistently shown to have it against mutants in highly large numbers and often with the help of actual institutional government power backing their hate and goal to murder mutants. It’s not few bad apples scenario.

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>>137008536
As opposed to literally everything that could be considered a mutant institution harboring criminals and supremacists?
Shit, even the X-Men weren't exactly squeaky clean even before Krakkoa.


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>>136988892 (OP)
Lol at people in this thread actually defending this trash, even unironically

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>>137008063
Because people actually read the book and understood the context
It's like getting mad at the Al Sharpton expy in Foolkiller and leaving out the part where the guy just shoots him


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>>136988908
Where's the actual lie though?
Ben Grimm didn't have to go through puberty made of rock. He didn't have to live in the sewers like a Morlock. Nobody's trying to stone (heh) him because of his looks. He got to go to school and have a pretty normal childhood and date and do all the normal human shit until his accident and even then he was framed as a tragic hero for it.
He was maybe ostracized for his appearance for all of a couple weeks before Reed's marketing campaign kicked in. His experience IS fundamentally different from a mutant's.
But I guess because this bitch said the no no buzzwords that's all irrelevant?

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>>136990487
>Ben Grimm didn't have to go through puberty made of rock.
No he just went through it both poor and made and as a jew in a shitty part of town. He had to be tougher, he had to struggle he had to let all the slings, barbs, insults and every hardship bounce of him. This bitch may be made of rock, but she never was stone.


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>>136988892 (OP)
>Cis white male
And just like that your argument falls apart


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>>136989518
What's this from anyway?

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>>137008752
Clobberin' Two. Which honestly, I might as well just post the relevant pages and aftermath in full since the thread's nearly over so the few people still here actually know the proper context OP would never bother to lay out.


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>>136991007
Eh, I just felt like kvetching because I see people keep falling for bait pages like these due to forgetting the other half of the equation: That the people doing the complaining in these stories are supposed to be massively ignorant to what the protagonist has lived through, and on the rare occasion that they get a hint as to how much shit the main character's gone through they immediately shut their gob or take back their words because they understand better.

Like that one reporter chick from Immortal Hulk who everyone understandably got irate from because she claimed to the Hulk that men like Bruce Banner had "white privilege" and power she wishes she had...due to the fact she's never been inside the whirlwind of The Hulk's life, only catching photos and reporting it after the fact, and as a result under the completely false impression that a) Any of the Hulks see themselves as Banner, b) That the heroes treat The Hulk with kid gloves by sending him away when in fact they're enacting what they consider last resort plans due to the quiet admission they can't ever trust The Hulk to be around other people, and c) That the world has ever tried to understand the Hulk's boundless rage. The fact that Devil Hulk doesn't snip back at her makes it seem like he's in agreement, when it's clear that he's happy that someone finally admitted they're jealous of the Hulk's power instead of hiding it behind their fear of him. The minute she does get a taste of what the Hulk's world is like, though, she immediately regrets all the shittalk she gave to him, realizing that there's nothing envious about the Hulk's life or power when you're forced to endure it instead of watching it from afar.

I do admit that I'm slightly irked that most writers now making headline bait like this never give the protagonists a chance to really prove their cardboard detractors wrong, but then again, most modern comics are shit like that, so par for course.

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>>136991486
It’s because Hulk is slightly more intelligent than an animal most of the time


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>>137008752
Clobberin' Two. Which honestly, I might as well just post the relevant pages and aftermath in full since the thread's nearly over so the few people still here actually know the proper context OP would never bother to lay out.

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>>137008063
Because people actually read the book and understood the context
It's like getting mad at the Al Sharpton expy in Foolkiller and leaving out the part where the guy just shoots him

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>>137009186
Best part of that was instead of dismantling Flapton's faulty argument, Foolkiller just calls him a Fool and ices him. It really cements how mind fucked Gerhard is by bloodthirst and ideology.


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>>136990487
Ever see that Simpsons episode "Homer's Enemy", where they introduced that guy Frank Grimes to commentate on how impossible it would be for a real person to live in Springfield? Through the whole episode, the guy is absolutely upset about how much of a buffoon Homer Simpson is and how he seems to gleefully skip through life without a care, getting to partake in such amazing life opportunities like winning a grammy or going into space.

The big issue is that Frank Grimes is right...only if you look at it in a total vacuum. Frank is only capable of judging that Homer got this amazing shit because he's never lived it. He sees that Homer owns a house with a wife and kids without knowing that Homer has repeatedly put off better life opportunities just for their sake. He sees Homer owned a grammy singing with the Be Sharps without knowing how much toil and sweat it took to get it. He sees Homer being looked upon well by his co-workers and screeching about it without considering these people have actually known Homer Simpson for years.

Yes, Ben Grimm's life is a lot more glamorous than hers at the present. But she doesn't have his life story. She doesn't know that he also grew up a poor kid on Yancy Street living with a deadbeat drunk dad, who watched his brother murdered by street gangs, and nearly fell into one until he was given a second chance. She doesn't know about the physical issues nor self-image problems he had to deal with due to his entire biology being rearranged. She doesn't recall that the dude outright puts his ass on the line every day to fight monsters that she would still cower from, even now, to earn the people's admiration.

Thing is, readers give a lot of leeway to protagonists like Ben Grim because we've seen that their lives aren't so glamorous as painted. Compared to a no-name introduced just to insult Ben by basically whining he's a normie, most people would rather stick to the guy who actually earned his respect with the readers.

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>>136990672
Yes


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>>137005592
Do writers even know who the fuck they're writing half the time, or did they just not give a fuck about this glorified extra that they felt like they could insert whatever about her and people should just nod their head and accept her account?

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>>137008278
Is this character intended to be Bling!? Bling! is usually depicted differently in stature and appearance.

>>137008536
At the height of his power Mags had 16 million mutants under his rule who were perfectly okay with their government openly espousing imperialistic and genocidal rhetoric and making moves to carry it out. The vast majority of Stryker's followers abandoned him after listening to some mutants impromptu debate him. And it still doesn't get around the fact that mutants were building the Sentinels, supporting anti-mutant causes, false-flagging and manipulating public opinion, and lobbying/bribing politicians to push a race war so they could sell Sentinels. Magneto, Mystique, Shaw, and Frost are directly responsible for the state of mutant relations being as bad as it is, directly push for genocidal conflict, and then have the gall to try and claim the moral high ground. Except Shaw because he has some self-awareness.


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>>137008296
Humans are consistently shown to have it against mutants in highly large numbers and often with the help of actual institutional government power backing their hate and goal to murder mutants. It’s not few bad apples scenario.

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>>137008278
Is this character intended to be Bling!? Bling! is usually depicted differently in stature and appearance.

>>137008536
At the height of his power Mags had 16 million mutants under his rule who were perfectly okay with their government openly espousing imperialistic and genocidal rhetoric and making moves to carry it out. The vast majority of Stryker's followers abandoned him after listening to some mutants impromptu debate him. And it still doesn't get around the fact that mutants were building the Sentinels, supporting anti-mutant causes, false-flagging and manipulating public opinion, and lobbying/bribing politicians to push a race war so they could sell Sentinels. Magneto, Mystique, Shaw, and Frost are directly responsible for the state of mutant relations being as bad as it is, directly push for genocidal conflict, and then have the gall to try and claim the moral high ground. Except Shaw because he has some self-awareness.


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>>136988936
i'm going to go controversial. if you took out the white cis man bait, /co/ would side with this bitch. her life is objectively shittier than ben's in every possible way

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>>136989325
>i'm going to go controversial. if you took out the white cis man bait, /co/ would side with this bitch. her life is objectively shittier than ben's in every possible way

yeah but she's a mutie


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>>136995591
Is there a way to use Jew Power for good?

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>>136998242
Not to use it at all really. It's like the Dark Side, using it means you already lost


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>>137009359
thicc


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>>137009311
>>137009329
>spend all thread saying that the context helps
>context just makes Ben look like an idiot blathering empty platitudes that prove and say nothing for PR sake
Why must you turn this into a house of lies


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>>137009311
>>137009329
>spend all thread saying that the context helps
>context just makes Ben look like an idiot blathering empty platitudes that prove and say nothing for PR sake
Why must you turn this into a house of lies


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>>136991986
That’s not a comeuppance. A comeuppance would shine it as “She got what was coming to her”, but clearly the intent is for you to sympathize. She doesn’t even come to an actual realization, it’s just an additional thing that happens. They’re virtually unrelated.

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>>136995949
>moving the goalposts
she realizes that having powers isn't good
yeah she's still being a cunt about it but that's obviously cope coming from someone who had their whole perspective flipped and they can't do anything about it so she's trying to be like "W-Well if I had different powers I'd be fine with it!" when the reality is that she never will be fine with it
Actually think about it for a second, anon


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>>136995949
>moving the goalposts
she realizes that having powers isn't good
yeah she's still being a cunt about it but that's obviously cope coming from someone who had their whole perspective flipped and they can't do anything about it so she's trying to be like "W-Well if I had different powers I'd be fine with it!" when the reality is that she never will be fine with it
Actually think about it for a second, anon

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>>137009808
and to add to this, it's a more "realistic" portrayal of someone getting a comeuppance to their views
Most anons want even normal people characters to break down crying and autistically screeching over being proven wrong but most people don't do that unless they're genuinely psychotic
Most people will just quietly seethe to themselves and still try to find some "silver lining" to the situation so they don't have to fully admit that they fucked up. Seeing someone be a total sore loser about a situation they started is way more satisfying than that same person cry in anguish like some anime villain


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>born this way
i thought the X gene didn't drop until you were a teen puberty or something. i know they have kid mutants but when did that change?

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>>136990425
You forget Nightcrawler?


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>>136990672
>Yes, Ben Grimm's life is a lot more glamorous than hers at the present. But she doesn't have his life story.
You know I actually wonder about that. This is the Marvel Universe where we know for a fact that Captain America drew comics about his that there are in universe comics that accurate enough to be court admissible documents. We know Kamala is a superhero superfan so there's a fan community. How do we know Ben Grimm doesn't have a wikipedia page that the 4chan of that universe (because again we know 4chan exists in 616) is on highlighting that early life section?

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>>136995085
>How do we know Ben Grimm doesn't have a wikipedia page that the 4chan of that universe (because again we know 4chan exists in 616) is on highlighting that early life section?
Has Ben or anyone else close to him ever told anybody about his past? It seems the team would know but they'd probably keep it private out of respect for Ben


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>>136988892 (OP)
Woah lady, I was born like this but with no skin and abandoned behind a burning dumpster in the snow, I lived like a wild animal until I was 12, uphill both ways. False equivalencies help no one Ma'am, check your privilege.


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>>137007181
>Genosha was wiped out by Cassandra Nova, a mutant.
By using sentinels, whose only function is to kill mutants, created by humans.
>Emma Frost forcibly expelled all depowered students and staff and marched them out of the front gates.
And then mutant haters killed the students when they were driving away.
>The ruling status quo of Genosha was overthrown and the country integrated for years before
Genosha didn’t peacefully integrate, it had huge civil war and unrest
>Magneto forcibly seized Genosha
The UN gave Genosha to him
>The X-Men freely operate with Weapon X members, including Neverland staff
And who ran Neverland and Weapon X? A mutant hating human who used brainwashing to control other people.

>DoFP was created by Shaw and Frost Sentinels.
No, it was created by humanity that decided to eradicate mutants and gave Shaw’s company the contract to build new sentinels.

>O:ZT was a manipulation of the US government by Bastion

And Bastion is a combination of robots who were created by humanity to solely eradicate mutants.

Time and time again humanity is the one pushing for creation of tools to destroy mutants. Some evil mutants occasionally being tied to it in some level does not suddenly make humanity not be the primary force rallying to commit genocide.

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>>137008184
>By using sentinels, whose only function is to kill mutants, created by humans.
Not really an X-Fan, but am I reading this line of thought correctly?
>I can't be held accountable for my murders! The man who made the gun I used... was a RACIST!


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>>136988892 (OP)
Proper reply is
>I have also suffered greatly and understand your pain for having to struggle to reestablish yourself as part of a society that shunned you for your outward appearance
It's not a fucking competition and throwing around tumblr pseudo-intellectual buzzwords like we're supposed to be clap for this cunt for thinking that Ben's past suffering and pain doesn't matter in the present is fucking psychotic.


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>>136988908
More proof Mutie hate is justified.

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>>137008694
You know, despite there being decades of comics with X-Men and mutants in them, Marvel has done a dogshit job at making me not want to hate them for existing. Even if they didn't go the recent route of having a harem island where they intend to indoctrinate people and dominate all non-muties, I'd still point to the one fucking kid who kills literally everyone within a mile radius of him and say "Yeah, but this fucking guy exists and other people like him can just pop right the fuck out of nowhere"


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>>137008694
You know, despite there being decades of comics with X-Men and mutants in them, Marvel has done a dogshit job at making me not want to hate them for existing. Even if they didn't go the recent route of having a harem island where they intend to indoctrinate people and dominate all non-muties, I'd still point to the one fucking kid who kills literally everyone within a mile radius of him and say "Yeah, but this fucking guy exists and other people like him can just pop right the fuck out of nowhere"

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>>137010529
in fairness, some random nobody can stumble across an Asgardian toothpick and become The Impaler or breathe in Galactus's fart and turn into a life devourer with cosmic powers. there's no winning.


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>>137010529
in fairness, some random nobody can stumble across an Asgardian toothpick and become The Impaler or breathe in Galactus's fart and turn into a life devourer with cosmic powers. there's no winning.

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>>137010582
It's shit like that, that makes me think of what Yahtzee said in a review of Resident Evil 6, where there are a dozen doomsday plots happening all at once and mega-rich evil cartoon villains crawling out of the woodwork to try and release some new plague on the world: "What's the fucking point of even trying?"

Not blackpilling or doompilling, but if it's THAT easy to make a world-ending megacunt and there's at least a dozen at any given point in a single part of the world, I think at this point the planet deserves to get destroyed.


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>>136990649
The use of cis in this context is entirely appropriate.

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>>137004126
It's never appropriate. That's just what you call normal people and we're tired of playing along.


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>>136991007
Eh, I just felt like kvetching because I see people keep falling for bait pages like these due to forgetting the other half of the equation: That the people doing the complaining in these stories are supposed to be massively ignorant to what the protagonist has lived through, and on the rare occasion that they get a hint as to how much shit the main character's gone through they immediately shut their gob or take back their words because they understand better.

Like that one reporter chick from Immortal Hulk who everyone understandably got irate from because she claimed to the Hulk that men like Bruce Banner had "white privilege" and power she wishes she had...due to the fact she's never been inside the whirlwind of The Hulk's life, only catching photos and reporting it after the fact, and as a result under the completely false impression that a) Any of the Hulks see themselves as Banner, b) That the heroes treat The Hulk with kid gloves by sending him away when in fact they're enacting what they consider last resort plans due to the quiet admission they can't ever trust The Hulk to be around other people, and c) That the world has ever tried to understand the Hulk's boundless rage. The fact that Devil Hulk doesn't snip back at her makes it seem like he's in agreement, when it's clear that he's happy that someone finally admitted they're jealous of the Hulk's power instead of hiding it behind their fear of him. The minute she does get a taste of what the Hulk's world is like, though, she immediately regrets all the shittalk she gave to him, realizing that there's nothing envious about the Hulk's life or power when you're forced to endure it instead of watching it from afar.

I do admit that I'm slightly irked that most writers now making headline bait like this never give the protagonists a chance to really prove their cardboard detractors wrong, but then again, most modern comics are shit like that, so par for course.

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>>136991486
Blacks are several orders of magnitude than the Hulk's worst rampages. Just look at Detroit.


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>>136991486
Blacks are several orders of magnitude than the Hulk's worst rampages. Just look at Detroit.

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>>137011068
Shit


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>>136991007
Eh, I just felt like kvetching because I see people keep falling for bait pages like these due to forgetting the other half of the equation: That the people doing the complaining in these stories are supposed to be massively ignorant to what the protagonist has lived through, and on the rare occasion that they get a hint as to how much shit the main character's gone through they immediately shut their gob or take back their words because they understand better.

Like that one reporter chick from Immortal Hulk who everyone understandably got irate from because she claimed to the Hulk that men like Bruce Banner had "white privilege" and power she wishes she had...due to the fact she's never been inside the whirlwind of The Hulk's life, only catching photos and reporting it after the fact, and as a result under the completely false impression that a) Any of the Hulks see themselves as Banner, b) That the heroes treat The Hulk with kid gloves by sending him away when in fact they're enacting what they consider last resort plans due to the quiet admission they can't ever trust The Hulk to be around other people, and c) That the world has ever tried to understand the Hulk's boundless rage. The fact that Devil Hulk doesn't snip back at her makes it seem like he's in agreement, when it's clear that he's happy that someone finally admitted they're jealous of the Hulk's power instead of hiding it behind their fear of him. The minute she does get a taste of what the Hulk's world is like, though, she immediately regrets all the shittalk she gave to him, realizing that there's nothing envious about the Hulk's life or power when you're forced to endure it instead of watching it from afar.

I do admit that I'm slightly irked that most writers now making headline bait like this never give the protagonists a chance to really prove their cardboard detractors wrong, but then again, most modern comics are shit like that, so par for course.

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>>136991486
Wait... doesn't this come after Hulk was literally shot in the head with a bullshit hax arrow and pronounced dead? Isn't that the setup to this whole weird comic run? Wouldn't she, as a reporter (or literally anyone who wasn't deaf dumb and blind) know about that?


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>>137009311
>>137009329
>spend all thread saying that the context helps
>context just makes Ben look like an idiot blathering empty platitudes that prove and say nothing for PR sake
Why must you turn this into a house of lies

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>>137009740
The fucking thread already call out those retard >>136997641
But nobody posted the comic because the next step was coping about "you didn't understand it".
Just look at this thread and you know how retarded are the mutties fans, they are the owl housefag of comics


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>>136988936
Everytime one of you faggots has claimed this, it always turns out that OP was right on the money and the "Context" validates his critique of the low effort trash he's mocking.
I'm well past done trying to look at if for the perspective of you retards. This comic is utter garbage and you are garbage for defending it.

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>>137009740
The fucking thread already call out those retard >>136997641
But nobody posted the comic because the next step was coping about "you didn't understand it".
Just look at this thread and you know how retarded are the mutties fans, they are the owl housefag of comics


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>>136991486
Wait... doesn't this come after Hulk was literally shot in the head with a bullshit hax arrow and pronounced dead? Isn't that the setup to this whole weird comic run? Wouldn't she, as a reporter (or literally anyone who wasn't deaf dumb and blind) know about that?

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>>137011615
Yes. But people also hailed Hawkeye as a hero for killing a defenseless man on his front lawn just cause it was Bruce Banner, and dumb enough to assume that the Hulk's temporary revival at the hands of Hydra during Secret Empire was him willingly going full villain as revenge for being shot in the head instead of being a rage zombie, so clearly reporters like her are biased idiots.


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>>137011068
Shit

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>>137011512
Exactly. It used to be called "Paris of the West". Then something changed.


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>>136991092
>>136991105
This is, well, fantastic. Who wrote it?


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>>136991092
>>136991105
This is, well, fantastic. Who wrote it?


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>>136988892 (OP)
>people shouldn't have a better life than me

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>>137003665
Welcome to
>>137003673
Damn it, you beat me to it.


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>>137003665
Welcome to the modern Left.

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>>137003665
Welcome to
>>137003673
Damn it, you beat me to it.


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[User] Honestly she brings a good point, why are people who get freak accidents seen as heroes or just given more medical care but people born naturally with the same problems are treated like monsters? Both comic and irl.

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>>137012076
being born with deformities means you're a demon that possessed and killed a normal human fetus
being deformed later in life by an accident is a tragedy


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>>136988892 (OP)
>skill issue


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>>136988936
i'm going to go controversial. if you took out the white cis man bait, /co/ would side with this bitch. her life is objectively shittier than ben's in every possible way

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>>136989325
Yes but it's there. If you took out the jew thing from Hitler, he'd be a foot note in history like Pol Pot nigger.


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>discord mutties raid the thread to talk about that people don't read comics and the OP pic made sense in the context
>They spent the day saying that mutties problems is 100% because of human
>Someone post the page
>Discord mutties leave the thread
Never change /co/mbrl

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>>137012987
I just accept that X-men is terribley written if it's ever in a crossover with the rest of the Marvel universe.


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>>136994623
>>136990470
Dude, Wolverine is the most "have your cake and eat it, too" character in Marvel.

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>>136996143
What else are you suppose to do with cake?


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>>136988892 (OP)
The only thing mutants love more than their victim complex is their oppression olympics.


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>>137004126
It's never appropriate. That's just what you call normal people and we're tired of playing along.

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>>137010924
>Crying about a technical term

Jesus you people are pathetic


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>>136988892 (OP)
This is pretty much what every anon here says about the x-men when they get whinny about mutant cures while the truly fucked up ones run around.

Only problem here is its directed at Ben.


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>>137008694
You know, despite there being decades of comics with X-Men and mutants in them, Marvel has done a dogshit job at making me not want to hate them for existing. Even if they didn't go the recent route of having a harem island where they intend to indoctrinate people and dominate all non-muties, I'd still point to the one fucking kid who kills literally everyone within a mile radius of him and say "Yeah, but this fucking guy exists and other people like him can just pop right the fuck out of nowhere"

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>>137010529
How weird you want to posture about your genocidal daydreams based on an edgy ultimate X-men comic


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>>136989593
Feels like most of these writers really want to have their cake and eat it to. They want to use their books to explore how they want the world to be while simultaneously holding it up as a mirror to our reality for "commentary". It makes the kind of reality where characters will comment on someone else's "privilege" while ignoring they're a seven foot tall half-a-ton rock dude who originally couldn't move through doors or go out in public without the police outright shooting on him. It makes them look severely disconnected from their own reality, like watching someone throw a fit about mean twitter comments while Galactus is on a rampage right behind them.

>>136990349
The worse part is that he was trying to frame it as people being jealous of mutants for having a place where they aren't persecuted for being different...while talking to She-Hulk, someone who still routinely unnerves people by how big tall and green she is compared to them, especially during her "Jason Aaron made me the Hulk-lite" phase.

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>>136990470
Outside the hulk-lite shit Jen went from lawyer to super model tier in celeberity status and bangs all kinds of stars.

She never really got shitted on because it was rightly defined that men will fuck anything.


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>>137008184
>By using sentinels, whose only function is to kill mutants, created by humans.
Not really an X-Fan, but am I reading this line of thought correctly?
>I can't be held accountable for my murders! The man who made the gun I used... was a RACIST!

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>>137010394
Genosha wouldn’t have been wiped out if humans would have such a fervent lust for genocide that they developed Sentinels to be capable of self-producing on their own without any need for human supervision that lead to the hive to multiply to such size that it was able to wipe out an entire nation in no time at all.


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>>137008184
All the Trask Sentinels were destroyed by the Avengers. Starting with Stephen Lang all Sentinels were built by Frost and Shaw. Weapon X had several voluntary mutant operatives andnit doesn't explain why the X-Men never shut it down. Shaw and Frost literally stoked tensions and staged false flag attacks to push Sentinels on an originally uninterested US government. Humanity as a whole is not genocidal towards mutants even within X-Men comics and evil mutants are often directly involved.

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>>137009077
>Not all humans are to blame!
>But totally all mutants are!

Seems a bit hypocritical


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>>136991007
Eh, I just felt like kvetching because I see people keep falling for bait pages like these due to forgetting the other half of the equation: That the people doing the complaining in these stories are supposed to be massively ignorant to what the protagonist has lived through, and on the rare occasion that they get a hint as to how much shit the main character's gone through they immediately shut their gob or take back their words because they understand better.

Like that one reporter chick from Immortal Hulk who everyone understandably got irate from because she claimed to the Hulk that men like Bruce Banner had "white privilege" and power she wishes she had...due to the fact she's never been inside the whirlwind of The Hulk's life, only catching photos and reporting it after the fact, and as a result under the completely false impression that a) Any of the Hulks see themselves as Banner, b) That the heroes treat The Hulk with kid gloves by sending him away when in fact they're enacting what they consider last resort plans due to the quiet admission they can't ever trust The Hulk to be around other people, and c) That the world has ever tried to understand the Hulk's boundless rage. The fact that Devil Hulk doesn't snip back at her makes it seem like he's in agreement, when it's clear that he's happy that someone finally admitted they're jealous of the Hulk's power instead of hiding it behind their fear of him. The minute she does get a taste of what the Hulk's world is like, though, she immediately regrets all the shittalk she gave to him, realizing that there's nothing envious about the Hulk's life or power when you're forced to endure it instead of watching it from afar.

I do admit that I'm slightly irked that most writers now making headline bait like this never give the protagonists a chance to really prove their cardboard detractors wrong, but then again, most modern comics are shit like that, so par for course.

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>>136991486
How is it bait when she gets corrected in 1-2 issues of the same run? This shit wasn't designed to be posted 4chan and rage clickers don't give a fuck about context long as they get yous.


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>>136988892 (OP)
>MFW when I read this


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>>137010394
Genosha wouldn’t have been wiped out if humans would have such a fervent lust for genocide that they developed Sentinels to be capable of self-producing on their own without any need for human supervision that lead to the hive to multiply to such size that it was able to wipe out an entire nation in no time at all.

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>>137013790
>I wouldn't have killed those people if this weapon wasn't available!
Once again, you're blaming the origin of the weapon rather than the person using it, you're only cementing mutants as the worst kind of dindus.


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>>137005140
Magneto has not only used manipulation to secure his exoneration, the X-Men actively tried to prevent him from goingnto trial at all.

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>>137006780
The first time Magneto was put on trial, he escaped and ran away. The second time went down the way you mentioned. And still his simps act like he was legitimately cleared of any wrongdoing. Last time this came up here, someone was literally arguing he did nothing wrong because that court was manipulated into letting him go, but that the teenagers he forced to fight for him should have been held to account and punished.


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>>136990487
Ever see that Simpsons episode "Homer's Enemy", where they introduced that guy Frank Grimes to commentate on how impossible it would be for a real person to live in Springfield? Through the whole episode, the guy is absolutely upset about how much of a buffoon Homer Simpson is and how he seems to gleefully skip through life without a care, getting to partake in such amazing life opportunities like winning a grammy or going into space.

The big issue is that Frank Grimes is right...only if you look at it in a total vacuum. Frank is only capable of judging that Homer got this amazing shit because he's never lived it. He sees that Homer owns a house with a wife and kids without knowing that Homer has repeatedly put off better life opportunities just for their sake. He sees Homer owned a grammy singing with the Be Sharps without knowing how much toil and sweat it took to get it. He sees Homer being looked upon well by his co-workers and screeching about it without considering these people have actually known Homer Simpson for years.

Yes, Ben Grimm's life is a lot more glamorous than hers at the present. But she doesn't have his life story. She doesn't know that he also grew up a poor kid on Yancy Street living with a deadbeat drunk dad, who watched his brother murdered by street gangs, and nearly fell into one until he was given a second chance. She doesn't know about the physical issues nor self-image problems he had to deal with due to his entire biology being rearranged. She doesn't recall that the dude outright puts his ass on the line every day to fight monsters that she would still cower from, even now, to earn the people's admiration.

Thing is, readers give a lot of leeway to protagonists like Ben Grim because we've seen that their lives aren't so glamorous as painted. Compared to a no-name introduced just to insult Ben by basically whining he's a normie, most people would rather stick to the guy who actually earned his respect with the readers.

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>>136990672
It's not that deep, man.


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>>137003453
Then we don't need a Holocaust Rememberance Day and Steve Orlando, Brian Michael Bendis, Chris Claremont, and Yehudi Mercado can stop kvetching their kippahs off in their Shoah Stories both IRL & in comics.

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>>137004073
>Then we don't need a Holocaust Rememberance Day
We do until Marvel finally bring him back.


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>>136988892 (OP)
Reminder that you're not supposed to side with this person and the entire context is that Ben has learned to be the bigger man because in the past he resorted to violence when dealing with idiots. This is just another case of an anon taking something out of context to generate rage.

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>>136988936
Cope


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>>137005140
Magneto has not only used manipulation to secure his exoneration, the X-Men actively tried to prevent him from goingnto trial at all.

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>>137006780
What was even their rationale for trying to save Magneto? Was there some bullshit that needed solving and only he could have fixed it? Or was it just standard "mutant solidarity" and the X-Men would just try to protect Magneto from the authorities and other supers indefinitely?


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>>137007181
>Genosha was wiped out by Cassandra Nova, a mutant.
By using sentinels, whose only function is to kill mutants, created by humans.
>Emma Frost forcibly expelled all depowered students and staff and marched them out of the front gates.
And then mutant haters killed the students when they were driving away.
>The ruling status quo of Genosha was overthrown and the country integrated for years before
Genosha didn’t peacefully integrate, it had huge civil war and unrest
>Magneto forcibly seized Genosha
The UN gave Genosha to him
>The X-Men freely operate with Weapon X members, including Neverland staff
And who ran Neverland and Weapon X? A mutant hating human who used brainwashing to control other people.

>DoFP was created by Shaw and Frost Sentinels.
No, it was created by humanity that decided to eradicate mutants and gave Shaw’s company the contract to build new sentinels.

>O:ZT was a manipulation of the US government by Bastion

And Bastion is a combination of robots who were created by humanity to solely eradicate mutants.

Time and time again humanity is the one pushing for creation of tools to destroy mutants. Some evil mutants occasionally being tied to it in some level does not suddenly make humanity not be the primary force rallying to commit genocide.

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>>137008184
>Genosha didn’t peacefully integrate, it had huge civil war and unrest
Genosha had a period of peace and integration until Fabian Cortez of the Acolytes of Magneto showed up and urged the mutate population of Genosha to rise up and make war on the humans because Magneto Wills It.

>The UN gave Genosha to him
The UN was blackmailed into giving Magneto a nation after he caused a second global EMP and left the world without electricity until they gave in to his demands.

>And who ran Neverland and Weapon X? A mutant hating human who used brainwashing to control other people.
Way to ignore how the X-Men are happily working alongside mutants who were working there of their own free will.

>No, it was created by humanity that decided to eradicate mutants and gave Shaw’s company the contract to build new sentinels.
The X-Men's unexplained, and as far as the public was aware, unprovoked attack on the Hellfire Club building during a big party attended by a lot of rich and powerful figures, followed by the Brotherhood attempting to assassinate Robert Kelly were the two incidents that spooked America's ruling class enough to fund a new Sentinel program because they weren't insulated from the threat of mutant violence and terrorism. Shaw and Frost deliberately stoked those fears to sell Sentinels. Those Sentinels weren't "to eradicate mutants", they were "to protect humanity" if the mutants actually started their race war. The same as Trask's Sentinels were created to protect humanity after repeated terrorist attacks by the Brotherhood, and were more about capturing than killing, else Beast would have been killed back then instead of them making him tell them his origin at length.


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>>137006780
What was even their rationale for trying to save Magneto? Was there some bullshit that needed solving and only he could have fixed it? Or was it just standard "mutant solidarity" and the X-Men would just try to protect Magneto from the authorities and other supers indefinitely?

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>>137015378
Mostly the usual "X-Men take care of their own" mutant solidarity, combined with claiming that letting the Russians try and execute the world's worst mutant terrorist would somehow make things worse for other mutants.


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>>137009077
>Not all humans are to blame!
>But totally all mutants are!

Seems a bit hypocritical

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>>137013831
There's a great deal less mutants than baseline humans, and a good number of them have been responsible for wars, genocide and other disasters. Ergo, statistically speaking you're more likely to be harmed by a mutant than a regular human, AND mutants proportionally have been responsible for more pain and death than humanity. TL;DR mutants are 13 percent of the world population but are responsible for 52 of the world-threatening crises.


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>>137013831
There's a great deal less mutants than baseline humans, and a good number of them have been responsible for wars, genocide and other disasters. Ergo, statistically speaking you're more likely to be harmed by a mutant than a regular human, AND mutants proportionally have been responsible for more pain and death than humanity. TL;DR mutants are 13 percent of the world population but are responsible for 52 of the world-threatening crises.

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>>137015755
52 percent rather.


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>>137013831
There's a great deal less mutants than baseline humans, and a good number of them have been responsible for wars, genocide and other disasters. Ergo, statistically speaking you're more likely to be harmed by a mutant than a regular human, AND mutants proportionally have been responsible for more pain and death than humanity. TL;DR mutants are 13 percent of the world population but are responsible for 52 of the world-threatening crises.

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>>137015755
Bullshit. I seen how Marvel civvies get and there are way more non-mutant supervillains than mutant ones.


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>>137015755
Bullshit. I seen how Marvel civvies get and there are way more non-mutant supervillains than mutant ones.

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>>137015814
>there are way more non-mutant supervillains than mutant ones
And most of them just want to rob banks or fight grudge matches with Spider-Man or the Avengers. Ultron and Carnage are outliers, and people hate them too. Mutant villains like Whirlwind who just want to rob banks and fight grudge matches are outliers compared with the ones who commit terrorism and want to kill or oppress humans.


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>>136990487
Ever see that Simpsons episode "Homer's Enemy", where they introduced that guy Frank Grimes to commentate on how impossible it would be for a real person to live in Springfield? Through the whole episode, the guy is absolutely upset about how much of a buffoon Homer Simpson is and how he seems to gleefully skip through life without a care, getting to partake in such amazing life opportunities like winning a grammy or going into space.

The big issue is that Frank Grimes is right...only if you look at it in a total vacuum. Frank is only capable of judging that Homer got this amazing shit because he's never lived it. He sees that Homer owns a house with a wife and kids without knowing that Homer has repeatedly put off better life opportunities just for their sake. He sees Homer owned a grammy singing with the Be Sharps without knowing how much toil and sweat it took to get it. He sees Homer being looked upon well by his co-workers and screeching about it without considering these people have actually known Homer Simpson for years.

Yes, Ben Grimm's life is a lot more glamorous than hers at the present. But she doesn't have his life story. She doesn't know that he also grew up a poor kid on Yancy Street living with a deadbeat drunk dad, who watched his brother murdered by street gangs, and nearly fell into one until he was given a second chance. She doesn't know about the physical issues nor self-image problems he had to deal with due to his entire biology being rearranged. She doesn't recall that the dude outright puts his ass on the line every day to fight monsters that she would still cower from, even now, to earn the people's admiration.

Thing is, readers give a lot of leeway to protagonists like Ben Grim because we've seen that their lives aren't so glamorous as painted. Compared to a no-name introduced just to insult Ben by basically whining he's a normie, most people would rather stick to the guy who actually earned his respect with the readers.

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>>136990672
Yes


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>>137015378
Mostly the usual "X-Men take care of their own" mutant solidarity, combined with claiming that letting the Russians try and execute the world's worst mutant terrorist would somehow make things worse for other mutants.

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>>137015652
>claiming that letting the Russians try and execute the world's worst mutant terrorist would somehow make things worse for other mutants.
I don't understand the rationale of that.
>let the Russians execute a known terrorist that proudly proclaims his actions and misdeeds to the world
>world is relieved that he's dead, some might take that as a cue to fuck with mutants as a whole, but it would be a very small number in contrast to the alternative, they can be taken care of by the authorities and other heroes
versus
>harbor a known and widely reviled terrorist
>people see the X-Men, and by extension, other mutants explicitly in support of Magneto, violence against mutants spike drastically as even people who would be previously on the fence are incensed at the X-Men protecting a known mass murderer from justice


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>>137005063
>the first mutant that humanity is aware of as a whole is a guy that can upend the entire world's electrical grid and says humans will be enslaved or exterminated
>the mutants that used to fight him have only grown closer to him
>humanity is the irrational party here

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>>137005099
Correction: The first mutant humanity is aware of is obviously Jesus christ and had an entire religion built around worshipping him.


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>>136988892 (OP)
No one in real life talks like that, and if they did, they would receive a blacklash from the audience.


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>>137006780
What was even their rationale for trying to save Magneto? Was there some bullshit that needed solving and only he could have fixed it? Or was it just standard "mutant solidarity" and the X-Men would just try to protect Magneto from the authorities and other supers indefinitely?

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>>137015378
Claremont was heavily pushing his "Magneto dindu nuffin" agenda while not actually retconning away all of Silver Age Magneto's crimes.


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>>137015378
Claremont was heavily pushing his "Magneto dindu nuffin" agenda while not actually retconning away all of Silver Age Magneto's crimes.

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>>137018067
That's fucking stupid.


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>>136991486
Blacks are several orders of magnitude than the Hulk's worst rampages. Just look at Detroit.

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>>137011068
The worst thing about them is that they're not just a wave that washes over something and destroys it. You could rebuild and come back from that. Blacks are a persistent, ongoing effect that is CONSTANTLY making everything worse for themselves and everyone around them, everywhere they are. Detroit is bad now, but it's laughable to think it cant get worse. Same with Chicago. Same with NYC. If you don't think there's further these places can fall, you're wrong. There's always further to fall, and blacks WILL make it happen.

Their existence is a cancer.


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>>136990470
Dude, Wolverine is the most "have your cake and eat it, too" character in Marvel.

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>>136996143

Now I want cake


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>>136988892 (OP)
She is the new Sally Floyd isn't she?


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>>137011068
The worst thing about them is that they're not just a wave that washes over something and destroys it. You could rebuild and come back from that. Blacks are a persistent, ongoing effect that is CONSTANTLY making everything worse for themselves and everyone around them, everywhere they are. Detroit is bad now, but it's laughable to think it cant get worse. Same with Chicago. Same with NYC. If you don't think there's further these places can fall, you're wrong. There's always further to fall, and blacks WILL make it happen.

Their existence is a cancer.

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>>137019502
there's no common element of race in those areas, dude. it's about poverty.
new york cleaned the fuck up, i'm told, by letting the cops actually do their job. something the rest of the country is lacking right now because people like you have made it 'controversial' to punish criminals due to what color they often are.
rich black people are fine, didn't you watch fresh prince of bel-air? cosby show? go watch them again, I'll wait. Note that their kids are still shit, but the high-class kind of shit where they get bad grades and treat people badly, not hold up liquor stores.
have you not noticed the rural south's white people are exactly the same as every 'black' stereotype? it's almost like they taught something to the slaves.. god, anon, get a clue. and stop filling /co/ with this stuff.


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>>136996143
What else are you suppose to do with cake?

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>>137013571
Eat it, but you either have the cake to eat, or you eat it and it's gone, both conditions exclude each other.


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>>136988892 (OP)
She is the new Sally Floyd isn't she?

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>>137020524
someone post the edit


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>>137020524
someone post the edit

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>>137021014
>>137020524
nvm found it, but the res is pathetic


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She is the new Sally Floyd isn't she?

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>>137021014
>>137020524
nvm found it, but the res is pathetic


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>>137020524
nvm found it, but the res is pathetic

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>>137021080
Floyd getting her asshole completely blown out by HYDRA Steve was the only good moment from Secret Empire.


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[Assistant] Wait isn't that Bling? Weren't her parents famous rappers?


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[Assistant] Is she not CIS herself?


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[Assistant] You know, I think, just a good policy, if someone is being a dipshit, and posting panels out of context, someone should just storytime the comics, to refute their point


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[Assistant] Reminder that cis is a slur.


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[Assistant] This reminds me, where's that panel where Wolverine basically said to She-Hulk that she has the benefit of being on a team like the Avengers where they're treated like celebrities, and that Krakoa is the best thing to happen to mutants? I thought it was funny on both ends of how much of a Krakoa simp he is, while at the same time trying to come off as the critical of it to make it seem like he's totally not like the others, and that Wolverine of all fucking characters had the nerve to get on She-Hulk for being on a team of "celebrities" when he was on it, too, and for an even worse reason, Tony thought that they needed a killer on the team.


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>born this way
i thought the X gene didn't drop until you were a teen puberty or something. i know they have kid mutants but when did that change?


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[Assistant] Is it just cause white male writers genuinely don't know what the "CIS" part of "CIS white male" means or are they implying she's trans?


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Remember when Civil War happened and Ben just said "fuck this" and ran off to France since that was an option for him?
Meanwhile the friends of humanity blew up another school bus of mutant kids.


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[Assistant] The FF literally cured Franklin of his mutant powers when they thought it could be too much, they had that option, they are so rich they just chose not to be mutants.


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[Assistant] God I hate muties so FUCKING MUCH


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[Assistant] I cant wait for whatever big marvel event completely destroys krakoa


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[Assistant] The irony is that this thread marks the first time I've actually seen multiple anons *defend* a jew.


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[Assistant] Don't care, still love the everlovin blue eyed Thing, idol o' millions.


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https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Clobberin-Time
So I actually bothered reading the comic instead of just focusing on one panel like a tunk. It's pretty fun, neat seeing how fucked up they let Ben and others get in the series so far.


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[Assistant] I don't know how anyone can like modern X-Men or anything to do with the current mutant status quo. Is it just people relishing in muh metaphor for <marginalized group> and enjoying the power fantasy?


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This analog just doesn't work because the bigotry the X-Men face isn't really written to be believable, it's written to last forever. There needs to be perpetual animosity between mutants and their villains so they can keep making books because that is the only way for Marvel to exist. Their stories can't end. It's the same reason why Spider-Man and MJ aren't allowed to be together- when they feel that the X-Men are growing adequately stale they WILL destroy Krakoa, and it won't be because humanity is simply that intolerant and the story was leading up to it all along, it'll be because Marvel needs shock money and a shake-up.

And that's just par for the course. It wouldn't annoy me the way it does if I hadn't seen X-Men fans saying shit like "minorities should have safe spaces!" Like a fucking ethnostate is equivalent to any other community. Marvel has a book that inadvertently or otherwise advocates for the white supremacist talking point that we can only co-exist if we're kept apart and a lot of their fans are not only acting like it's based but treating it as though it's an applicable real world allegory.


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There's also an aspect of this that I think we're kind of ignoring but Ben did actually choose to go into space with Reed. He didn't ask to get doused in cosmic radiation, no, but his choices put him in that situation.
Mutants don't get a choice. They're just born that way. I don't know if that's necessarily worse or better but it's definitely something worth considering.


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>Roxanne Washington was born into hip-hop "royalty" as the daughter of Roy "Daddy Libido" Washington and Angel "Sexy Mutha" Depres. Having appeared in her parents' rap videos from a young age, Washington was often targeted by would-be kidnappers and assassins

She literally lied to him.


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[Assistant] Honestly she brings a good point, why are people who get freak accidents seen as heroes or just given more medical care but people born naturally with the same problems are treated like monsters? Both comic and irl.