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>>136839686 (OP)
the entirety of phase 4 was a shitshow and this was the start of phase 5 were nothing improved
I wish this was the MarveLs thou because Antman didn't deserve to be the fall guy that killed capeshit

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>>136840945
For better or worse the MCU needed to end. All trends must end. Real shame Marvel both refused to end with dignity and allowed Leftist freaks to take over their properties. By the end of this decade Marvel will be worthless as a company.


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>>136840945
For better or worse the MCU needed to end. All trends must end. Real shame Marvel both refused to end with dignity and allowed Leftist freaks to take over their properties. By the end of this decade Marvel will be worthless as a company.

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>>136840983
>Real shame Marvel both refused to end with dignity
The MCU never had any dignity in the first place


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>>136839686 (OP)
Ant-Man
>Average Joe everyman trying to do what's right and reconnect with his family gets himself in over his head helping a scientist stage a heist at a tech company in San Francisco

Ant-Man and Wasp
>Average Joe everyman trying to do what's right and reconnect with his family gets roped into another adventure with the scientist get his tech back from mafia goons and rogue spies on the streets of San Francisco

Ant-Man in Quantumania
>Balls to the wall fantasy adventure in a brightly colored CGI-filled goo universe full of monsters and robots stopping a time traveling warlord from taking over the universe with his giant head cyborg sidekick and bug armies, everyone shoots missiles and has shrinking powers, the jokes and size puns never stop

It's so vastly different in tone and context, it's like it was made by someone who did not even watch the first two movies. and all they made was a terrible imitation of Guardians of the Galaxy as usual.

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>>136840321
Imagine getting mad at Marvel for not making the exact same movie over and over again


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>>136840929
But the main obstacle is a main character whose power is to shrink is not going to impress audiences by default. Ant Man rode the MCU success at first but without that anymore it was doomed to falter.

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>>136840950
I'm not sure about that. The first Ant-Man did well enough and was mostly received as a pleasant surprise with creative action scenes that took advantage of the shrinking powers. We are way past the "not going to impress audiences" phase. If anything, a common criticism of Quantumania is that they barely get creative with the shrinking sequences because the entire setting is an abstract alien backdrop with tons of CGI.


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>>136840945
For better or worse the MCU needed to end. All trends must end. Real shame Marvel both refused to end with dignity and allowed Leftist freaks to take over their properties. By the end of this decade Marvel will be worthless as a company.

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>>136840983
It didn't need to end, they barely scratched the surface of its potential and characters/storylines they could've used
it was just self sabotaged by people that hate the ip


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>>136839686 (OP)
the entirety of phase 4 was a shitshow and this was the start of phase 5 were nothing improved
I wish this was the MarveLs thou because Antman didn't deserve to be the fall guy that killed capeshit

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>>136840945
If it makes you feel any better, The Marvels was such a dumpster fire that they had to delay it 3 times. Quantuamania got fucked over because of that.


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>>136840950
I'm not sure about that. The first Ant-Man did well enough and was mostly received as a pleasant surprise with creative action scenes that took advantage of the shrinking powers. We are way past the "not going to impress audiences" phase. If anything, a common criticism of Quantumania is that they barely get creative with the shrinking sequences because the entire setting is an abstract alien backdrop with tons of CGI.

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>>136841164
The problem is that unlike Guardians the entire writing team was swapped out for each movie and it hurts the brand because people aren't going in already understanding the motivations of characters.


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>>136839686 (OP)
I didn't think it was that bad. And Ant-Man should absolutely be going on wild adventures in the Quantum Realm, and maybe pulling off the odd fantastic heist or seven. And him and the Ant-Family beating Kang was a decent coup. Or would have been if Kang had been built up beforehand. I don't think it deserved to bomb, and it was particularly inoffensive as far as modern movies go.


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>>136841164
The problem is that unlike Guardians the entire writing team was swapped out for each movie and it hurts the brand because people aren't going in already understanding the motivations of characters.

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>>136841320
That could be one of the problems yeah, the only recurrent writer for the movies is Paul Rudd himself and that was only for the first two since he didn't get the chance to help with this one that's the first to only have a single writer.


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>>136839686 (OP)
Modok was played for comedy rather than tragedy. Having him be Kang's henchman was potentially a good idea but not if it's just going to be a joke.
There's also kind of a lack of consequence at the end. Like I get that it would've been repetitive to have Scott and Hope stuck in the Quantum Realm seeing as how they already did that, but a complete win makes your arc villain seem weak as fuck.


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>>136841540
did he forgot about freezing people?


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>>136839686 (OP)
it existing. one Ant-Man movie was enough. two was pushing it. three is just taking a wet, mushy dump on the movie-going audience and expecting them to thank you for the privilege


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>>136839686 (OP)
The setup and premise was very weak. There were too many characters and too low stakes.


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>>136840321
Imagine getting mad at Marvel for not making the exact same movie over and over again

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>>136841150
But they are making the exact movie over and over again, that movie is just Guardians of the Galaxy.


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>>136839686 (OP)
The setup and premise was very weak. There were too many characters and too low stakes.

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>>136841776
why not just kill the old characters at least


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>>136839686 (OP)
needed Luis and human stakes.
really you could keep the Pyms on earth trying to save the Langs. their whole side plot with Venkman was unnecessary.
that's pretty much it, ayone still bitching about MODOK doesn't get that he's a joke character and it's just posturing.


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>>136839686 (OP)
The setup and premise was very weak. There were too many characters and too low stakes.

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>>136841776
The premise from the trailers sounded pretty good, Kang offering Scott the missing time with his daughter if he helped him escape but that was a misdirection. That and the simple idea of Ant-Man accidentally walking into an Avengers movie by himself sounds interesting. I agree with the rest.


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>>136839686 (OP)

Looking at who is at the center of that poster should tell you where their priorities lay!!!FACT!!!


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>>136840409
wasn't this supposed to be like a really strong version of kang too??

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>>136840434
>>136840559
The rest of the Council of Kangs Kanged him wrong as a joke. Eternity would be a really long, boring time without such laughter.


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>>136840434
From what I remember he rebelled against the Council of Kangs and they exiled him after a war. That at least means he was strong enough to be a menace to the Council but he ultimately lost against all of them.

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>>136840434
>>136840559
The rest of the Council of Kangs Kanged him wrong as a joke. Eternity would be a really long, boring time without such laughter.


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>>136839686 (OP)
Modok was played for comedy rather than tragedy. Having him be Kang's henchman was potentially a good idea but not if it's just going to be a joke.
There's also kind of a lack of consequence at the end. Like I get that it would've been repetitive to have Scott and Hope stuck in the Quantum Realm seeing as how they already did that, but a complete win makes your arc villain seem weak as fuck.

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>>136841498
They wrote themselves into a corner with the ending. I had the idea that they could maybe change it to be something a bit different. Have Scott sacrifice himself with Kang in the Multiversal Core but later reveal, maybe in a post-credit scene that Scott is alive, he just ended in a different universe and end the movie with Scott realizing that if he is alive, so is Kang, he accidentally set him free.


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>>136839686 (OP)
They made Ant Man movies seriously, who cares about this character when he at best works as a support character. Does he even have grand villains? Even Fantastic Four have Doom. To pretend Ant Man is important is like pretending the Atom is great for DC.

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>>136840865
>Does he even have grand villains?
Yes, but they wasted him.


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>>136839686 (OP)

Looking at who is at the center of that poster should tell you where their priorities lay!!!FACT!!!

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>>136841973
Hope had the least focus of those three by far.


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>>136841973
Hope had the least focus of those three by far.

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>>136842244
>Hope had the least focus of those three by far.

That's because they had to backtrack her after Lily came out as an anti-vaxxer. So they tried to minimize her character!!!FACT!!!


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[User] No giant women

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>>136841244
there was


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For starters I think their main issue was trying to sell Ant-Man and company as a discount Fantastic Four, because that's what this script feels like. Secondly, it's not a good idea to make Kang the antagonist of this project because of his mileage later as a larger arc villain. MODOK unironically would have been better, with Cross/MODOK desperate to get out to get his revenge against Scott. If Kang had to be in the script, it should have been a Ronan/Thanos situation like in GOTG.

I guess the other issue is the setting. We're just looking at green screens

[Assistant]
>>136843715
It truly is Peyton Reed's Fantastic Four fanfic with Ant-Man skin


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>>136839686 (OP)
They made Ant Man movies seriously, who cares about this character when he at best works as a support character. Does he even have grand villains? Even Fantastic Four have Doom. To pretend Ant Man is important is like pretending the Atom is great for DC.

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>>136840865
>they made two previous movies about this character that were well received
>anon still screeching about how this character shouldn't have movies because he's not a star character in the comics and they should only keep pushing the few characters whose comics perform well
>"Performing well" in comics is irrelevant because it's a dying industry where most books sell well under 100K per issue
The fact that the MCU was making stars out of characters the source material had neglected is something that should be praised, not complained about, they were handling Ant-Man BETTER than in comics until they dropped the ball so badly here.


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>>136841244
there was

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>>136843066
Um, actually, Cassie was still in the Quantum Realm when she grew, so she was subatomic. There WERE no giant women in the movie, ok?


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>>136840865
>they made two previous movies about this character that were well received
>anon still screeching about how this character shouldn't have movies because he's not a star character in the comics and they should only keep pushing the few characters whose comics perform well
>"Performing well" in comics is irrelevant because it's a dying industry where most books sell well under 100K per issue
The fact that the MCU was making stars out of characters the source material had neglected is something that should be praised, not complained about, they were handling Ant-Man BETTER than in comics until they dropped the ball so badly here.

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>>136844885
I'm going to add that it was thanks to the MCU that Ant-Man started to get more comics, and most of them were decent to good. From the first solo run in decades to a good number of minis, the MCU saved Ant-Man in the comics. Scott at least, Hank is still dead for some fucking reason.


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>>136844885
I'm going to add that it was thanks to the MCU that Ant-Man started to get more comics, and most of them were decent to good. From the first solo run in decades to a good number of minis, the MCU saved Ant-Man in the comics. Scott at least, Hank is still dead for some fucking reason.

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>>136845321
>Hank is still dead for some fucking reason.
I get the impression one of two things happened. Either they either killed him out of fear of the "Hank Pym is a wifebeater" thing reaching the mainstream and hurting the first movie, or because the Ant Man movie was about Scott, not Hank, they seized the opportunity to kill Hank. Marvel editorial seems to have a general apathy towards a lot of the classic Avengers characters, and outright hatred for some of them like Hank.


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>>136845321
>Hank is still dead for some fucking reason.
I get the impression one of two things happened. Either they either killed him out of fear of the "Hank Pym is a wifebeater" thing reaching the mainstream and hurting the first movie, or because the Ant Man movie was about Scott, not Hank, they seized the opportunity to kill Hank. Marvel editorial seems to have a general apathy towards a lot of the classic Avengers characters, and outright hatred for some of them like Hank.

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>>136845808
That could be the case. Around the time of the first Ant-Man is when Rage of Ultron came out and Hank fused with Ultron but Hank was outright confirmed to be perma-dead during Infinity Countdown back in 2018.


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>>136839686 (OP)
Black Kang


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>>136839686 (OP)
Nothing. Literally just the Star Warsification of the fanbase.


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>>136839686 (OP)
needed Luis and human stakes.
really you could keep the Pyms on earth trying to save the Langs. their whole side plot with Venkman was unnecessary.
that's pretty much it, ayone still bitching about MODOK doesn't get that he's a joke character and it's just posturing.

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>>136841817
I hate joke MODOK because it also spits in the face of Yellow Jacket being malicious and scary in the first movie.


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>>136839686 (OP)
>what went wrong?
Unattractive women that makes men stay away from the whole franchise
Shitty villains
The hero is not cool enough to bring kids to see the movie
The costumes are generic
The action is bad and uninspired


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>>136840684
/thread


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[User] The daughter is an obnoxious piece of shit imagine talking down to the man that saved half of all life because he isn't an activist. Maybe instead of bitching at people and getting yourself thrown in jail use your hyper advanced technology to make life easier. If you could shrink a bunch of people down you could make tiny affordable housing

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>>136848562
She's just summer from rick and morty, right down to the hair


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>>136841817
I hate joke MODOK because it also spits in the face of Yellow Jacket being malicious and scary in the first movie.

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>>136848135
>Yellowjacket
>Scary

Are you five?


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>>136848135
>Yellowjacket
>Scary

Are you five?

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>>136849052
Something can be scary without people being scared of it. Darren grew increasingly paranoid and unhinged over the course of the movie from unshielded Pym Particle experiments and was willing to murder people with no hesitation or drama.


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>>136849052
Something can be scary without people being scared of it. Darren grew increasingly paranoid and unhinged over the course of the movie from unshielded Pym Particle experiments and was willing to murder people with no hesitation or drama.

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>>136849206
I liked this scene from the first movie


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>>136849206
I liked this scene from the first movie

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>>136850824
how did they got away with this


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>>136841817
I hate joke MODOK because it also spits in the face of Yellow Jacket being malicious and scary in the first movie.

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>>136848135
They really wasted two characters with MODOK


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>>136849206
I liked this scene from the first movie

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>>136850824
The saddest thing about Cross is that he was actually a good person. He spent his life researching shrink tech to help the world and only weaponized it because Pym Particles melted his brain.


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>>136850824
The saddest thing about Cross is that he was actually a good person. He spent his life researching shrink tech to help the world and only weaponized it because Pym Particles melted his brain.

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>>136851021
Now that's unexplored territory, wasted potential for sure.
>Not a callback to the scene from Ant-Man 1 when Cassie called Cross a monster, now that he actually looks like one.


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[Assistant] Wasn't a heist movie and instead of having a proper Microverse civil war we got ants.


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[Assistant] Rick & Morty writer.


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[Assistant] Women.


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[Assistant] No giant women


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[Assistant] Testing this thing, going to see if I can make a few webms.


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[Assistant] Has a lot of flaws but I liked when Giant-Man is destroying the city.


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For starters I think their main issue was trying to sell Ant-Man and company as a discount Fantastic Four, because that's what this script feels like. Secondly, it's not a good idea to make Kang the antagonist of this project because of his mileage later as a larger arc villain. MODOK unironically would have been better, with Cross/MODOK desperate to get out to get his revenge against Scott. If Kang had to be in the script, it should have been a Ronan/Thanos situation like in GOTG.

I guess the other issue is the setting. We're just looking at green screens


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[Assistant] The daughter is an obnoxious piece of shit imagine talking down to the man that saved half of all life because he isn't an activist. Maybe instead of bitching at people and getting yourself thrown in jail use your hyper advanced technology to make life easier. If you could shrink a bunch of people down you could make tiny affordable housing


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[Assistant] This was probably the best scene in the movie


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[User] Do you like him? Why does everyone forget about him?

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>>136837000 (OP)
C lister whose entire premise is that he was a joke of a loser who hapoened to get superpowers so he could be a joke of a villain.


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>>136837000 (OP)
I like the bandage art of him.


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>>136837000 (OP)
He's been outdone. Peter outgrew him decades ago and there's not really a use for him anymore.


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>>136837000 (OP)
he was on TAS and videogames, he did well.


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>>136837000 (OP)
C lister whose entire premise is that he was a joke of a loser who hapoened to get superpowers so he could be a joke of a villain.

[Assistant] Scorpion is an odd duck with unfortunate bad luck as Spider-Man grew over the years. So much so that dummies like >>136837029 fell for modern press. In conception Scorpion is supposed to be the original "Anti Spider-Man", his physical better funded by Jameson during one of his tunnel vision low moments. However writers later couldn't find a place for him as Peter got better at his job, and Gargan outright got pushed aside by Venom. A poor practice in comics is "If you don't know what to do with them, make a joke". Mac is just one good story away from a comeback, like Shocker or Electro


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>>136837000 (OP)
He's never had much of a character and is mostly just a thug. His storyline with Jameson was resolved a long, long time ago and left him with nothing. Kind of pointless when Scorpia exists and has more personality than he does plus is hot.


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>>136837000 (OP)
He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

After that he never really had much of a story. He's just another goon with superpowers that never accomplishes much outside of robbing the occasional ATM. The guy needs a gimmick, like being one of the real threats Kingpin sends over to his enemies who get out of line.

Thirdly, Marvel has never decided on what the tail is supposed to do. it was just a backing club for a while, then it had a gun, then a blade, then it sprayed acid, they cannot keep his superpower gimmick in line at all between any two appearances.


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>>136837000 (OP)
Best thing to do with a villain the hero has outgrown is drop him into a lower tier characters book and have him be a major threat. Let Scorpion build some credibility back then promote him back to Spider-Man.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Scorpion is an odd duck with unfortunate bad luck as Spider-Man grew over the years. So much so that dummies like >>136837029 fell for modern press. In conception Scorpion is supposed to be the original "Anti Spider-Man", his physical better funded by Jameson during one of his tunnel vision low moments. However writers later couldn't find a place for him as Peter got better at his job, and Gargan outright got pushed aside by Venom. A poor practice in comics is "If you don't know what to do with them, make a joke". Mac is just one good story away from a comeback, like Shocker or Electro

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>>136839371
Modern Shocker has been literally only jokes so I don't know why you're bringing him up when you say that's a bad practice


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Scorpion is an odd duck with unfortunate bad luck as Spider-Man grew over the years. So much so that dummies like >>136837029 fell for modern press. In conception Scorpion is supposed to be the original "Anti Spider-Man", his physical better funded by Jameson during one of his tunnel vision low moments. However writers later couldn't find a place for him as Peter got better at his job, and Gargan outright got pushed aside by Venom. A poor practice in comics is "If you don't know what to do with them, make a joke". Mac is just one good story away from a comeback, like Shocker or Electro

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>>136839371
The irony is that they restored Gargan being the Anti Spider-Man by giving him Venom and ruined it by him being feckless


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They should really just play up him being thuggish/Yonkers Spider-Man instead of the Anti Spider-Man. Tries to walk the straight and narrow, but keeps getting pulled into crimes (attacking scalpers so some poor kids can see the game, etc) and fighting Spider-Man (over baseball teams), but just keeps trying.
I mean he's basically Sandman at that point, but I guess I just like that trope.

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>>136840305
Whenever the Scorpion costume gets more mechanical like this, it always looks like any normal guy could wear it and be Scorpion, and that he does not also have some kind of matching powers as Spider-Man.


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>>136840305
Whenever the Scorpion costume gets more mechanical like this, it always looks like any normal guy could wear it and be Scorpion, and that he does not also have some kind of matching powers as Spider-Man.

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>>136841985
Well, Mac Gargan WAS just some normal guy who got Scorpion powers


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>>136837000 (OP)
He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

After that he never really had much of a story. He's just another goon with superpowers that never accomplishes much outside of robbing the occasional ATM. The guy needs a gimmick, like being one of the real threats Kingpin sends over to his enemies who get out of line.

Thirdly, Marvel has never decided on what the tail is supposed to do. it was just a backing club for a while, then it had a gun, then a blade, then it sprayed acid, they cannot keep his superpower gimmick in line at all between any two appearances.

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>>136839664
>He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

That is most likely what happened. In the 60s they had to invent a new villain which means, new guy, new powers, new motivation, and new costume every 30 days. Loads of Silver age characters had some cheap looks because there was just not enough time to put a lot of thought into the suit, and either way the guy was only going to be around for a single issue and not be back for a couple of years maybe.

But a good look does a lot for a character. I can kind of see what they were going for in >>136839371 just a thug in a ski mask, that's also arachnid themed too. Makes him look like some evil lug found on the streets of New York. But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

Scorpion never had a good fit as the evil opposite villain for Spider-Man. He was a knockoff being an evil arachnid, in a striped green shit like Sandman's and had a robot appendage like Dock Ock, and was a low class every man like Electro. He was an imitation of too many other characters at the same time and did not stand out.


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>>136839664
>He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

That is most likely what happened. In the 60s they had to invent a new villain which means, new guy, new powers, new motivation, and new costume every 30 days. Loads of Silver age characters had some cheap looks because there was just not enough time to put a lot of thought into the suit, and either way the guy was only going to be around for a single issue and not be back for a couple of years maybe.

But a good look does a lot for a character. I can kind of see what they were going for in >>136839371 just a thug in a ski mask, that's also arachnid themed too. Makes him look like some evil lug found on the streets of New York. But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

Scorpion never had a good fit as the evil opposite villain for Spider-Man. He was a knockoff being an evil arachnid, in a striped green shit like Sandman's and had a robot appendage like Dock Ock, and was a low class every man like Electro. He was an imitation of too many other characters at the same time and did not stand out.


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>>136841985
Well, Mac Gargan WAS just some normal guy who got Scorpion powers

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>>136842079
what I mean is he looks like a nonpowewred guy in a scorpion armor.


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>>136841985
Well, Mac Gargan WAS just some normal guy who got Scorpion powers

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>>136842079
He was a Private Investigator, an angle that got dropped as soon as he got the Scorpion powers. I'm still mystified as to why this has never been explored since. Imagine if Scorpion was the first person to work out that Peter Parker was Spider-Man?


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>>136839664
>He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

That is most likely what happened. In the 60s they had to invent a new villain which means, new guy, new powers, new motivation, and new costume every 30 days. Loads of Silver age characters had some cheap looks because there was just not enough time to put a lot of thought into the suit, and either way the guy was only going to be around for a single issue and not be back for a couple of years maybe.

But a good look does a lot for a character. I can kind of see what they were going for in >>136839371 just a thug in a ski mask, that's also arachnid themed too. Makes him look like some evil lug found on the streets of New York. But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

Scorpion never had a good fit as the evil opposite villain for Spider-Man. He was a knockoff being an evil arachnid, in a striped green shit like Sandman's and had a robot appendage like Dock Ock, and was a low class every man like Electro. He was an imitation of too many other characters at the same time and did not stand out.

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>>136842167
Sounds like the same issue as Wrecker, he was supposed to be the evil Thor with his own mystic weapon. While he just looked like some dumb lug in a ski mask waving around a plain ol crowbar. Nothing about him was cool or interesting so he slowly became a one note joke to be slapped around by almost any hero now.


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They should really just play up him being thuggish/Yonkers Spider-Man instead of the Anti Spider-Man. Tries to walk the straight and narrow, but keeps getting pulled into crimes (attacking scalpers so some poor kids can see the game, etc) and fighting Spider-Man (over baseball teams), but just keeps trying.
I mean he's basically Sandman at that point, but I guess I just like that trope.

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>>136840305
>I mean he's basically Sandman at that point, but I guess I just like that trope.
Mac's never been the sympathetic, trying to be good anti-villain. He's always just been a thug. That's really the problem, he's a largely one dimensional character whose personality isn't all that interesting or enough to carry him as a major villain in spite of his "classic" status.


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>>136837000 (OP)
How does he go poopy?


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>>136837000 (OP)
I think Scorpions supposed broken mind should be played up. The treatment that turned him into Scorpion was supposed to have driven him insane, and sometimes he's been portrayed that way, but more often than not he's more of a Shocker kind of guy, just meaner.

I think Scorpion should be a more psychotic kind of enemy, a totally reckless maniac who won't think twice about killing someone and is legit dangerous because of it. I would even use his "loser" rep as motivation for this, just have him fed up with it so he goes off the rails in an attempt to remind people what he's capable of. I think him being that kind of villain fills a slot in Spider-Man's rogues gallery, he's already got plenty of losers/joke villains as well as working class grunt villains, he doesn't have as many psychotic threats, Scorpion can be that


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>>136837000 (OP)
I feel like Scorpion was supposed to be THE Anti-Spiderman (due to their similar set of abilities) before getting replaced with Venom


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>>136837000 (OP)
So without the Scorpion costume and robo tail, is he just a strong guy? Like he has none of the other powers Spider-Man has from spiders only from Scorpions?


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>>136837000 (OP)
He should've been Spider-Man's Nemesis but nooooo let's make the green witch the main bad guy, fucking retards


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>>136837000 (OP)
So without the Scorpion costume and robo tail, is he just a strong guy? Like he has none of the other powers Spider-Man has from spiders only from Scorpions?

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>>136843193
He has....Scorpion powers best ignored


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>>136837000 (OP)
He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

After that he never really had much of a story. He's just another goon with superpowers that never accomplishes much outside of robbing the occasional ATM. The guy needs a gimmick, like being one of the real threats Kingpin sends over to his enemies who get out of line.

Thirdly, Marvel has never decided on what the tail is supposed to do. it was just a backing club for a while, then it had a gun, then a blade, then it sprayed acid, they cannot keep his superpower gimmick in line at all between any two appearances.

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>>136839664
I get that to keep the whole scorpion shtick he has to have a tail. While he sometimes has claws. It's just kind of goofy for a dumb thug guy from the streets with powers to also have some high tech super suit with a robotic tail. It's a weird addition. But he needs something to counteract Spider-Man having webs and all the many many applications those give. It also comes off as Doctor Octopus's whole deal with metal arms that sometimes do gimmicky stuff too.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but it seems a little too wacky


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>>136837000 (OP)
Love Mac, the stories where he’s a legitimate threat are great, he’s perfect as a “Peter’s bully” character, should’ve been a staple and WAY more threatening Venom, hate how he’s been treated for decades. Also hate how every time he’s treated as dangerous, someone like Slott or Millar has to come in and shit on him.


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>>136837000 (OP)
I feel like Scorpion was supposed to be THE Anti-Spiderman (due to their similar set of abilities) before getting replaced with Venom

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>>136843164
He was. Literally everything about him is the direct reverse of Peter, way more than Brock.


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>>136837000 (OP)
I think Scorpions supposed broken mind should be played up. The treatment that turned him into Scorpion was supposed to have driven him insane, and sometimes he's been portrayed that way, but more often than not he's more of a Shocker kind of guy, just meaner.

I think Scorpion should be a more psychotic kind of enemy, a totally reckless maniac who won't think twice about killing someone and is legit dangerous because of it. I would even use his "loser" rep as motivation for this, just have him fed up with it so he goes off the rails in an attempt to remind people what he's capable of. I think him being that kind of villain fills a slot in Spider-Man's rogues gallery, he's already got plenty of losers/joke villains as well as working class grunt villains, he doesn't have as many psychotic threats, Scorpion can be that

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>>136843118
>I think Scorpion should be a more psychotic kind of enemy, a totally reckless maniac who won't think twice about killing someone and is legit dangerous because of it.
He was characterized as that in the 90s and early 2000s, and it was definitely his best persona. In Sweet Charity Peter describes Mac as so unhinged in a fight that it’s scary.


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>>136843118
>I think Scorpion should be a more psychotic kind of enemy, a totally reckless maniac who won't think twice about killing someone and is legit dangerous because of it.
He was characterized as that in the 90s and early 2000s, and it was definitely his best persona. In Sweet Charity Peter describes Mac as so unhinged in a fight that it’s scary.

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>>136839664
I get that to keep the whole scorpion shtick he has to have a tail. While he sometimes has claws. It's just kind of goofy for a dumb thug guy from the streets with powers to also have some high tech super suit with a robotic tail. It's a weird addition. But he needs something to counteract Spider-Man having webs and all the many many applications those give. It also comes off as Doctor Octopus's whole deal with metal arms that sometimes do gimmicky stuff too.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but it seems a little too wacky

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>>136843651
That's the thing, Gargan never was a dumb street thug, he was a private investigator lmao, the procedure drove him mad though, and writers ever since just make him another thug Spidey villain cause that's all they can write

And yeah I don't really see anything wrong with having enhanced physical abilities while still utilizing tech, Spider-Man does it, Goblin does it


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>>136843193
He has....Scorpion powers best ignored

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>>136843585
So he is a strong guy that sticks to walls I guess. Not sure what is going on with the cutting fingers thing. And the first tail seems totally useless. He doesn't seem to have the sense, agility, or jumping Spider-Man has. He totally lacks all of Peter's mobility and resourcefulness the webs give him. Without the suit he is about the same as Green Goblin without his suit.

And scorpions are mostly known for
>really tough armor
>claws
>poison stinger tail

There has to be some kind of villain theme that could be made out of that other than a strong guy with a robo appendage sticking out of his ass.


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>>136843651
That's the thing, Gargan never was a dumb street thug, he was a private investigator lmao, the procedure drove him mad though, and writers ever since just make him another thug Spidey villain cause that's all they can write

And yeah I don't really see anything wrong with having enhanced physical abilities while still utilizing tech, Spider-Man does it, Goblin does it

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>>136843804
They are both smart guys that can build super gadgets. Gargan is not that.


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>>136840305
Whenever the Scorpion costume gets more mechanical like this, it always looks like any normal guy could wear it and be Scorpion, and that he does not also have some kind of matching powers as Spider-Man.

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>>136841985
that also goes for every version of the costume that's just a skin tight onesie with a fat pool noodle extending from the back too


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>>136843804
They are both smart guys that can build super gadgets. Gargan is not that.

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>>136843854
Gargan didn't build his tech, it was designed for him, he was turned into a weapon pretty much by some crackpot scientist JJJ hired. I don't really see the problem personally.


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>>136837000 (OP)
I feel like Scorpion was supposed to be THE Anti-Spiderman (due to their similar set of abilities) before getting replaced with Venom

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>>136843164
>>136843707
Like >>136842167 said, Venom just had a very classic iconic look to him that really connected with readers. Even people that never once read a single book with Venom in it still liked the character. Scorpion just did not have that, he had a very bland and generic green tights with stripes costume. Nothing special at all.


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>>136843164
He was. Literally everything about him is the direct reverse of Peter, way more than Brock.

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>>136843164
>>136843707
Like >>136842167 said, Venom just had a very classic iconic look to him that really connected with readers. Even people that never once read a single book with Venom in it still liked the character. Scorpion just did not have that, he had a very bland and generic green tights with stripes costume. Nothing special at all.


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>>136839664
>He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

That is most likely what happened. In the 60s they had to invent a new villain which means, new guy, new powers, new motivation, and new costume every 30 days. Loads of Silver age characters had some cheap looks because there was just not enough time to put a lot of thought into the suit, and either way the guy was only going to be around for a single issue and not be back for a couple of years maybe.

But a good look does a lot for a character. I can kind of see what they were going for in >>136839371 just a thug in a ski mask, that's also arachnid themed too. Makes him look like some evil lug found on the streets of New York. But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

Scorpion never had a good fit as the evil opposite villain for Spider-Man. He was a knockoff being an evil arachnid, in a striped green shit like Sandman's and had a robot appendage like Dock Ock, and was a low class every man like Electro. He was an imitation of too many other characters at the same time and did not stand out.

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>>136843164
>>136843707
Like >>136842167 said, Venom just had a very classic iconic look to him that really connected with readers. Even people that never once read a single book with Venom in it still liked the character. Scorpion just did not have that, he had a very bland and generic green tights with stripes costume. Nothing special at all.


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>>136839371
Modern Shocker has been literally only jokes so I don't know why you're bringing him up when you say that's a bad practice

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>>136841465
Because Shocker isn't supposed to be a joke either


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>>136843164
>>136843707
Like >>136842167 said, Venom just had a very classic iconic look to him that really connected with readers. Even people that never once read a single book with Venom in it still liked the character. Scorpion just did not have that, he had a very bland and generic green tights with stripes costume. Nothing special at all.

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>>136844060
They literally made Mac Venom and screwed it up from the getgo.


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>>136839664
>He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

That is most likely what happened. In the 60s they had to invent a new villain which means, new guy, new powers, new motivation, and new costume every 30 days. Loads of Silver age characters had some cheap looks because there was just not enough time to put a lot of thought into the suit, and either way the guy was only going to be around for a single issue and not be back for a couple of years maybe.

But a good look does a lot for a character. I can kind of see what they were going for in >>136839371 just a thug in a ski mask, that's also arachnid themed too. Makes him look like some evil lug found on the streets of New York. But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

Scorpion never had a good fit as the evil opposite villain for Spider-Man. He was a knockoff being an evil arachnid, in a striped green shit like Sandman's and had a robot appendage like Dock Ock, and was a low class every man like Electro. He was an imitation of too many other characters at the same time and did not stand out.

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>>136842167
I would say the plain green costume with black stripes is more Vulture's deal. Either way too many villains have that same green striped thing going on. Mysterio also had an unadorned green costume with lines. Dock Ock also wore a plain ol green jumpsuit most of his early career. Scorpion definitely doesn't stand out when he is just wearing the scorpion themed variant of the same ol' Spidey-villain costume


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>>136843118
>I think Scorpion should be a more psychotic kind of enemy, a totally reckless maniac who won't think twice about killing someone and is legit dangerous because of it.
He was characterized as that in the 90s and early 2000s, and it was definitely his best persona. In Sweet Charity Peter describes Mac as so unhinged in a fight that it’s scary.

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>>136843780
>>136843799
Yeah it's amazing how this is a completely different character than the guy in the comics now for the last however many years

>>136844177
For me Scorpion's classic look has three problems
>tail looks dumb
>mask looks dumb
>solid color looks dumb
Designs like picrel remedy this IMO, he's still not the most interesting design, but not everyone is gonna be


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>>136843780
>>136843799
Yeah it's amazing how this is a completely different character than the guy in the comics now for the last however many years

>>136844177
For me Scorpion's classic look has three problems
>tail looks dumb
>mask looks dumb
>solid color looks dumb
Designs like picrel remedy this IMO, he's still not the most interesting design, but not everyone is gonna be


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>>136842167
I would say the plain green costume with black stripes is more Vulture's deal. Either way too many villains have that same green striped thing going on. Mysterio also had an unadorned green costume with lines. Dock Ock also wore a plain ol green jumpsuit most of his early career. Scorpion definitely doesn't stand out when he is just wearing the scorpion themed variant of the same ol' Spidey-villain costume

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>>136843780
>>136843799
Yeah it's amazing how this is a completely different character than the guy in the comics now for the last however many years

>>136844177
For me Scorpion's classic look has three problems
>tail looks dumb
>mask looks dumb
>solid color looks dumb
Designs like picrel remedy this IMO, he's still not the most interesting design, but not everyone is gonna be


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>>136843780
>>136843799
Yeah it's amazing how this is a completely different character than the guy in the comics now for the last however many years

>>136844177
For me Scorpion's classic look has three problems
>tail looks dumb
>mask looks dumb
>solid color looks dumb
Designs like picrel remedy this IMO, he's still not the most interesting design, but not everyone is gonna be

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>>136844713
80s Scorpion at least had a decent mask, I liked the MacFarlane Spidey eyes he had on it but he really needed to ditch the whole mouth thing. I had no idea why he needed a mouth on his costume. Also ditch the plain ol stripes on green. He needs more of a design than horizontal stripes on green.

I thought if Marvel was really going to make him into the evil Spider-Man then they should have gone fully into it and gave him a somewhat similar costume with a scorpion logo. sort of like what they did with Hydra Dock Ock.Something sort of like pic related, but not quite that. I wold even say ditch the green too. Electro, Vulture, Mysterio, and Beetle got green suits, let Scorpion do something else. Dock Ock got to ditch the green years ago without too much trouble.

But for some reason modern Marvel only wants to go one of two ways with the guy, giant mutant bug monster, or bulky mech suit.


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>>136843193
He has....Scorpion powers best ignored

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>>136843585
>$20,000 to make a supervillain capable of kicking Spider-Man's ass.
That's so funny.
>$20,000 in 1964 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $194,732.90 today
That's still funny.


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>>136837000 (OP)
>pure green
>tail doesn't even have a stinger in the original, hell it has a soft rounded tip, even
>no pincers, claws or spikes of any kind, just laser beams
For the longest time I thought scorpion was some sort of lizard-themed villain. You might be wondering, how could I possibly think a guy called SCORPION to be lizard-themed, but the thing is I found a trading card with him when I was a kid, but the name and some of the flavor text was scratched off, so I always assumed it was a lizard man.

Point is, I don't understand how they ever approved his original design. It's so bland.


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>>136837000 (OP)
>pure green
>tail doesn't even have a stinger in the original, hell it has a soft rounded tip, even
>no pincers, claws or spikes of any kind, just laser beams
For the longest time I thought scorpion was some sort of lizard-themed villain. You might be wondering, how could I possibly think a guy called SCORPION to be lizard-themed, but the thing is I found a trading card with him when I was a kid, but the name and some of the flavor text was scratched off, so I always assumed it was a lizard man.

Point is, I don't understand how they ever approved his original design. It's so bland.

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>>136846350
When I was a kid I had a comic with Venom, I couldn't read so I just called him "The Black Fly" because I thought his insignia was supposed to be some kind of winged insect


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>>136840305
>I mean he's basically Sandman at that point, but I guess I just like that trope.
Mac's never been the sympathetic, trying to be good anti-villain. He's always just been a thug. That's really the problem, he's a largely one dimensional character whose personality isn't all that interesting or enough to carry him as a major villain in spite of his "classic" status.

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>>136842923
Sure. That's why I'm sayin' give him a layer like something akin to Sandman or heck, something like a reverse J Jonah where he's a thug all around cept for this ONE thing...
Or just have him be a Yankees fan.


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>>136843804
They are both smart guys that can build super gadgets. Gargan is not that.

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>>136843854
>They are both smart guys that can build super gadgets. Gargan is not that.
See, that could be fun.
Gargan doesn't have the resources they have so he has to make due or find people to "help" him.


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>>136842923
Sure. That's why I'm sayin' give him a layer like something akin to Sandman or heck, something like a reverse J Jonah where he's a thug all around cept for this ONE thing...
Or just have him be a Yankees fan.

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>>136847019
Again, what sort of twist would that be though? I've always thought Electro, for example, has potential as a blue collar sort of guy. He was a lineman who turned to petty crime after his accident and never really seems to dream big time (even on Shocker's level). I like the way he was portrayed in Spider-Girl as basically being retired and trying to help and reconnect his daughter so my thought has always been to give him a girl and an infant kid so he's got a family to care for but he's also impatient and anxious and keeps turning to crime because of the instant gratification. He's been doing the superpowered thing for so long that he has trouble settling into the standard 9-5 grind, even if he knows it's not the best.

There's nothing there that I feel would be out of left field for Max; adds some depth and pathos to his character and sets him up to reflect Peter as a character. Peter was the bookworm who gained great power, became arrogant, and was humbled so he he takes the responsibility to do good and live an honest life. Max was a simple blue collar guy who saw his power as a get rich quick scheme, but now that he needs to be responsible he's maybe in too deep.

But I just use that as an example. With Gargan there's not really a whole lot there. The most I would say would be springboard from his P.I. background. Like Peter, he was kind of a geek when he was youger though it was for things like detective fiction instead of science. He tried to be a cop but washed out and so went the P.I. route but became disillusioned/fell into corruption beause all he could get were shadier stuff that showed humanity at its worse. Then Jameson comes along and turns him into the Scorpion and the defeat by Spider-Man was like a final straw. A bitter man who could be more clever and successful but his anger issues and grudges and obsession with proving his strength have decayed him. I don't know, he's a hard character to really think of anything for.


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>>136837000 (OP)
Reading some of the posts in this thread gave me an idea. What if Marvel did a miniseries based on the concept of not just an alternate universe where The Scorpion is Spider-Man's archenemy, but an alternate version of the Spider-Man series where that is the case? Each issue would present a "highlight" from this hypothetical alternate series showcasing the most pivotal moments in Spider-Man and The Scorpion's history together. This would fit Marvel's love of "what if X character became Y" alternate universes while also being unlike any of the one's they've done.


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>>136837000 (OP)
Because Venom did him better?


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>>136840305
>I mean he's basically Sandman at that point, but I guess I just like that trope.
Mac's never been the sympathetic, trying to be good anti-villain. He's always just been a thug. That's really the problem, he's a largely one dimensional character whose personality isn't all that interesting or enough to carry him as a major villain in spite of his "classic" status.

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>>136842923
I mean you don't need to be a relatable/sympathetic villain to be a good villain, every villain doesn't need a "he's really a good guy who keeps messing up" thing going on, and I think at this point that's probably not really the direction you'd take a guy like Gargan anyway, he's a pretty unrepentant guy, he doesn't seem to have any morals to speak of, whether that's a symptom of his "insanity" or not who knows


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>>136837000 (OP)
I've never liked how his name is Scorpion but he's green.


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>>136847019
Again, what sort of twist would that be though? I've always thought Electro, for example, has potential as a blue collar sort of guy. He was a lineman who turned to petty crime after his accident and never really seems to dream big time (even on Shocker's level). I like the way he was portrayed in Spider-Girl as basically being retired and trying to help and reconnect his daughter so my thought has always been to give him a girl and an infant kid so he's got a family to care for but he's also impatient and anxious and keeps turning to crime because of the instant gratification. He's been doing the superpowered thing for so long that he has trouble settling into the standard 9-5 grind, even if he knows it's not the best.

There's nothing there that I feel would be out of left field for Max; adds some depth and pathos to his character and sets him up to reflect Peter as a character. Peter was the bookworm who gained great power, became arrogant, and was humbled so he he takes the responsibility to do good and live an honest life. Max was a simple blue collar guy who saw his power as a get rich quick scheme, but now that he needs to be responsible he's maybe in too deep.

But I just use that as an example. With Gargan there's not really a whole lot there. The most I would say would be springboard from his P.I. background. Like Peter, he was kind of a geek when he was youger though it was for things like detective fiction instead of science. He tried to be a cop but washed out and so went the P.I. route but became disillusioned/fell into corruption beause all he could get were shadier stuff that showed humanity at its worse. Then Jameson comes along and turns him into the Scorpion and the defeat by Spider-Man was like a final straw. A bitter man who could be more clever and successful but his anger issues and grudges and obsession with proving his strength have decayed him. I don't know, he's a hard character to really think of anything for.

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>>136847656
>I don't know, he's a hard character to really think of anything for.
If anything, all this thread is showing me is that Gargan has the potential to at least be bumped back up to a B-lister and he just needs that "Heart of Ice"-like reinvention. Which, for the record, I mean it as a reinvigorating him, not turning him sympathetic per se.


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>>136849157
yeah i don't like it


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[User] Scorpion is an odd duck with unfortunate bad luck as Spider-Man grew over the years. So much so that dummies like >>136837029 fell for modern press. In conception Scorpion is supposed to be the original "Anti Spider-Man", his physical better funded by Jameson during one of his tunnel vision low moments. However writers later couldn't find a place for him as Peter got better at his job, and Gargan outright got pushed aside by Venom. A poor practice in comics is "If you don't know what to do with them, make a joke". Mac is just one good story away from a comeback, like Shocker or Electro

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>>136839371
> the original "Anti Spider-Man"
Thats what he is, Eddie fits this role better cause he's a bit smarter than Mac, but he should still be a threat to spider-man at least physically.
They keep making him too "techy", which I don't like. Its an easy design pitfall when you really dont have to. (other than the tail, which is mechanical.)


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>>136842923
I mean you don't need to be a relatable/sympathetic villain to be a good villain, every villain doesn't need a "he's really a good guy who keeps messing up" thing going on, and I think at this point that's probably not really the direction you'd take a guy like Gargan anyway, he's a pretty unrepentant guy, he doesn't seem to have any morals to speak of, whether that's a symptom of his "insanity" or not who knows

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>>136848225
I would lay more into him being a psychopath, I think that's something that's mostly underdeveloped and has potential to be explored (if only retards at Marvel could see it). Make him the Reverse-Flash of Spider-Man or JJJ.


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>>136849157
Spiderverse is one of the most overrated moveis ever and the shit villains are a major part why.


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>>136839371
> the original "Anti Spider-Man"
Thats what he is, Eddie fits this role better cause he's a bit smarter than Mac, but he should still be a threat to spider-man at least physically.
They keep making him too "techy", which I don't like. Its an easy design pitfall when you really dont have to. (other than the tail, which is mechanical.)

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>>136850636
Brock isn’t really “anti” beyond the suit and being a reporter. Nothing about him has immediate thematic reversals to Peter like Mac has. Brock has a personality that doesn’t reflect Spider-Man, he’s far more his own character.

Mac as Venom should’ve been a perfect way to bring Venom back as a big Spidey nemesis, but Millar tripped at the starting line.

>>136849157
Hated that.


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>>136850636
Brock isn’t really “anti” beyond the suit and being a reporter. Nothing about him has immediate thematic reversals to Peter like Mac has. Brock has a personality that doesn’t reflect Spider-Man, he’s far more his own character.

Mac as Venom should’ve been a perfect way to bring Venom back as a big Spidey nemesis, but Millar tripped at the starting line.

>>136849157
Hated that.


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>>136843780
>>136843799
Yeah it's amazing how this is a completely different character than the guy in the comics now for the last however many years

>>136844177
For me Scorpion's classic look has three problems
>tail looks dumb
>mask looks dumb
>solid color looks dumb
Designs like picrel remedy this IMO, he's still not the most interesting design, but not everyone is gonna be

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>>136844713
It’s like Marvel tries its hardest to make you forget that he was considered a legitimate threat for a number of years. But then someone would come in with a “Scorpion sucks” story and that’s what’s remembered. I always liked a good Scorpion story because, when done well, he’s a great opponent to force Peter to dig deep and have a real one-on-one fistfight. Just him and Mac slugging it out in ways he typically doesn’t with other rogues.


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>>136837000 (OP)
To answer both questions, yes I like him, but Venom does everything he does but better. They even made Mac into Venom for a period because no one would miss Scorpion but they needed Venom back as a baddie after Eddie left. The problem is writers tend to make Mac a generic thug or a bloodthirsty revenge man, when they should be playing up his roots as a private detective. Imagine how cool and threatening a hyper observant, gumshoe detective Scorpion would be.


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>>136837000 (OP)
Would have loved to see him on Spectacular Spider-Man


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>>136844713
It’s like Marvel tries its hardest to make you forget that he was considered a legitimate threat for a number of years. But then someone would come in with a “Scorpion sucks” story and that’s what’s remembered. I always liked a good Scorpion story because, when done well, he’s a great opponent to force Peter to dig deep and have a real one-on-one fistfight. Just him and Mac slugging it out in ways he typically doesn’t with other rogues.

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>>136852020
>Loses any normal rational fear
If everyone is dressing up as porn stars and slugging it out with super powered weirdos, what makes Scorpion special?


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>>136852020
>Loses any normal rational fear
If everyone is dressing up as porn stars and slugging it out with super powered weirdos, what makes Scorpion special?

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>>136852135
>Wearing a costume means you lose basic emotions like fear or reason
Not mutually exclusive.


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>>136839664
>He never looked cool, his costume always seemed like something whipped up in minutes because the artist had a deadline to meet and did not really care.

That is most likely what happened. In the 60s they had to invent a new villain which means, new guy, new powers, new motivation, and new costume every 30 days. Loads of Silver age characters had some cheap looks because there was just not enough time to put a lot of thought into the suit, and either way the guy was only going to be around for a single issue and not be back for a couple of years maybe.

But a good look does a lot for a character. I can kind of see what they were going for in >>136839371 just a thug in a ski mask, that's also arachnid themed too. Makes him look like some evil lug found on the streets of New York. But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

Scorpion never had a good fit as the evil opposite villain for Spider-Man. He was a knockoff being an evil arachnid, in a striped green shit like Sandman's and had a robot appendage like Dock Ock, and was a low class every man like Electro. He was an imitation of too many other characters at the same time and did not stand out.

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>>136842167
> But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

A lot of golden age villains suffer from this design blandness. Green was a very commonly color in early print because it was cheap so most bad guys got slapped with it. The stripes also just added some dimension in a time where colors were always flat.


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>>136852135
>Wearing a costume means you lose basic emotions like fear or reason
Not mutually exclusive.

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>>136852150
A lot of these people stop acting like humans once they put their costume on. Peter himself lost his common sense before like when he made a deal with the devil.


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>>136852150
A lot of these people stop acting like humans once they put their costume on. Peter himself lost his common sense before like when he made a deal with the devil.

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>>136852297
Stupid choices =/= Being a vicious fighter
Point Peter making was that Mac doesn’t stop unless you knock his ass out, and he’s vicious. Peter struggled that proceeding fight until he lured Mac into a cave of bears that did the heavy lifting. Not sure why that was such a hard line to understand.


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>>136843854
>They are both smart guys that can build super gadgets. Gargan is not that.
See, that could be fun.
Gargan doesn't have the resources they have so he has to make due or find people to "help" him.

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>>136847113
I remember in Cates's Venom he couldn't even afford a new Scorpion suit and had to resort to a ramshackle piece of crap armor pieced together from old War Machine et al parts with scavenged weapons like Pumpkin Bombs.


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>>136852297
Stupid choices =/= Being a vicious fighter
Point Peter making was that Mac doesn’t stop unless you knock his ass out, and he’s vicious. Peter struggled that proceeding fight until he lured Mac into a cave of bears that did the heavy lifting. Not sure why that was such a hard line to understand.

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>>136852394
>Mac doesn’t stop unless you knock his ass out, and he’s vicious.
Just like everyone else...

What makes him special? Everyone wears porn outfits and don't know when to quit.


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>>136852394
>Mac doesn’t stop unless you knock his ass out, and he’s vicious.
Just like everyone else...

What makes him special? Everyone wears porn outfits and don't know when to quit.

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>>136852713
Being totally unhinged is an advantage in battle, most of Peters enemies aren't particularly that way, or even physical fighters at all


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>>136842167
> But green with stripes is just bland, Sand Man also has the same look anyway without trying too hard. But Venom had a great look which kept him around. While at his base he is kind of boring, just an evil spider guy with a mouth, but the black suit with the big white spider works great. Same with Sinestro having a great look opposing Green Lantern, or Black Adam for Captain Marvel. They look interesting.

A lot of golden age villains suffer from this design blandness. Green was a very commonly color in early print because it was cheap so most bad guys got slapped with it. The stripes also just added some dimension in a time where colors were always flat.

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>>136852262
Aren't a lot of those villains permanently fused into their costumes? Scorpion? Rhino?
How do they shit?

I could ask the same about Sandman but I'm more curious why he's just sitting there in a cell with a window.


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>>136847113
I remember in Cates's Venom he couldn't even afford a new Scorpion suit and had to resort to a ramshackle piece of crap armor pieced together from old War Machine et al parts with scavenged weapons like Pumpkin Bombs.

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>>136852432
Literally taped together


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>>136849157
>Have a completely forgettable, confused, outdated, outperformed character
>Give them a cool as hell design that makes them stand out and might spark new interest in new directions
>Fucking sick robo legs and a stuff that actually makes the character called Scorpion look like a scorpion and not some green dildo with a tail
>Gets shit on immediately

I'd much rather see this version of Scorpion than every single other incarnation of the character just cuz they would be forced to do something actually interesting with his character with a design like this.


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>>136849157
>Have a completely forgettable, confused, outdated, outperformed character
>Give them a cool as hell design that makes them stand out and might spark new interest in new directions
>Fucking sick robo legs and a stuff that actually makes the character called Scorpion look like a scorpion and not some green dildo with a tail
>Gets shit on immediately

I'd much rather see this version of Scorpion than every single other incarnation of the character just cuz they would be forced to do something actually interesting with his character with a design like this.

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>>136855891
*and a bunch of tattoos and stuff


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>>136849157
>Have a completely forgettable, confused, outdated, outperformed character
>Give them a cool as hell design that makes them stand out and might spark new interest in new directions
>Fucking sick robo legs and a stuff that actually makes the character called Scorpion look like a scorpion and not some green dildo with a tail
>Gets shit on immediately

I'd much rather see this version of Scorpion than every single other incarnation of the character just cuz they would be forced to do something actually interesting with his character with a design like this.

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>>136855891
Spiderverse Scorpion just ends up looking more generic than the original.
It's like how attempts at modernizing Electro's design never stick because they always boil it down to a plain electric man with no style.


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>>136849157
>Have a completely forgettable, confused, outdated, outperformed character
>Give them a cool as hell design that makes them stand out and might spark new interest in new directions
>Fucking sick robo legs and a stuff that actually makes the character called Scorpion look like a scorpion and not some green dildo with a tail
>Gets shit on immediately

I'd much rather see this version of Scorpion than every single other incarnation of the character just cuz they would be forced to do something actually interesting with his character with a design like this.

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>>136855891
I don't mind the idea conceptually but you have to admit that model looks like total ass. I say this as someone who generally really likes the Spiderverse artstyle, but SV Scorp looks like a villain from a low-budget early 2010s CG cartoon. Also somehow overdesigned while still looking like an unbroken brown mass. Granted, 616 Scorpion already kinda has this problem with green instead of brown but still.


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>>136852394
>Mac doesn’t stop unless you knock his ass out, and he’s vicious.
Just like everyone else...

What makes him special? Everyone wears porn outfits and don't know when to quit.

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>>136852713
I feel like you’re pretending to be stupid.


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>>136842079
what I mean is he looks like a nonpowewred guy in a scorpion armor.

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>>136842186
i think it would be an interesting twist when they get to mac in the movies. scorpion looks like he's wearing a power suit, peter rips it apart, and mac still beats the shit out of him because the suit is just there to support and power the tail


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>>136855891
Spiderverse Scorpion just ends up looking more generic than the original.
It's like how attempts at modernizing Electro's design never stick because they always boil it down to a plain electric man with no style.

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>>136856434
Spiderverse Scorpion looks like he came out of the 2012 TMNT cartoon as a sparsely used jobber


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>>136849157
The whole movie was crap.


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>>136837000 (OP)
>Do you like him?
Yes.
>Why does everyone forget about him?
1 scorpion tail<4 octopus arms.


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>>136837000 (OP)
I like the idea of him being a character that Peter had outgrown, he had his arc with Venom and his inevitable second downfall should have been the end of his character. He's best left retired or occasionally punked on by Spider-man.


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>>136849157
The whole movie was crap.

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>>136859416
ya


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>>136837000 (OP)
I like the idea of him being a character that Peter had outgrown, he had his arc with Venom and his inevitable second downfall should have been the end of his character. He's best left retired or occasionally punked on by Spider-man.

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>>136860679
This mentality I feel like is how Spidey comics are, and I'm not a fan. Everything is a joke unless its Goblin, Ock, or some new OC nobody cares about.


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>>136860679
This mentality I feel like is how Spidey comics are, and I'm not a fan. Everything is a joke unless its Goblin, Ock, or some new OC nobody cares about.

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>>136861914
It's ironic how a character created to be an underdog ended up overpowered nowadays.


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>>136837000 (OP)
How does he go poopy?

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>>136842950
He sits on the toilet and poos out a dump, the same way you do. Unless you're from some savage land where people just poo in the street.


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>>136848225
I would lay more into him being a psychopath, I think that's something that's mostly underdeveloped and has potential to be explored (if only retards at Marvel could see it). Make him the Reverse-Flash of Spider-Man or JJJ.

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>>136850643
This. The defining feature of Mac Gargan should be that he's nuts. Dangerously nuts. Not in the Joker or Carnage sense where "he kills people because he's crazy", Gargan's mania is specifically focused on Spider-Man and JJJ, but he's like a wildman who's capable of anything.

>>136862098
It's been a thing for a long time that Peter was holding back when he fought non-powered enemies so he didn't accidentally kill them, but that Slott run claiming Peter has always been holding back against everyone, and is soooo strong he can one-shot guys like Scorpion who were supposed to be stronger than him, it's absolutely retarded, his editor should have stopped it, and it should be ignored or retconned away, but the power level obsessives won't let go of it.


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>>136861914
It's ironic how a character created to be an underdog ended up overpowered nowadays.

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>>136850643
This. The defining feature of Mac Gargan should be that he's nuts. Dangerously nuts. Not in the Joker or Carnage sense where "he kills people because he's crazy", Gargan's mania is specifically focused on Spider-Man and JJJ, but he's like a wildman who's capable of anything.

>>136862098
It's been a thing for a long time that Peter was holding back when he fought non-powered enemies so he didn't accidentally kill them, but that Slott run claiming Peter has always been holding back against everyone, and is soooo strong he can one-shot guys like Scorpion who were supposed to be stronger than him, it's absolutely retarded, his editor should have stopped it, and it should be ignored or retconned away, but the power level obsessives won't let go of it.


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>>136852262
Aren't a lot of those villains permanently fused into their costumes? Scorpion? Rhino?
How do they shit?

I could ask the same about Sandman but I'm more curious why he's just sitting there in a cell with a window.

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>>136853285
>Aren't a lot of those villains permanently fused into their costumes? Scorpion? Rhino?
Rhino hasn't been stuck in his costume since 1991, and Gargan since some time earlier than that.


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>>136860679
This mentality I feel like is how Spidey comics are, and I'm not a fan. Everything is a joke unless its Goblin, Ock, or some new OC nobody cares about.

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>>136861914
>>136862098
A lot of Spider-Man fans like it that way, they want Peter to be king of the world, and his rogues gallery to be non threatening loveable baffoons.


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>>136861914
It's ironic how a character created to be an underdog ended up overpowered nowadays.

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>>136862098
A lot of Spider-Man fans like it that way, they want Peter to be king of the world, and his rogues gallery to be non threatening loveable baffoons.


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>>136850643
This. The defining feature of Mac Gargan should be that he's nuts. Dangerously nuts. Not in the Joker or Carnage sense where "he kills people because he's crazy", Gargan's mania is specifically focused on Spider-Man and JJJ, but he's like a wildman who's capable of anything.

>>136862098
It's been a thing for a long time that Peter was holding back when he fought non-powered enemies so he didn't accidentally kill them, but that Slott run claiming Peter has always been holding back against everyone, and is soooo strong he can one-shot guys like Scorpion who were supposed to be stronger than him, it's absolutely retarded, his editor should have stopped it, and it should be ignored or retconned away, but the power level obsessives won't let go of it.

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>>136862956
I wonder how strong he's now, Slott either depowered all his rogues or made his at very least 50 tons


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>>136862098
A lot of Spider-Man fans like it that way, they want Peter to be king of the world, and his rogues gallery to be non threatening loveable baffoons.

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>>136863007
Don't forget the Spider-Man haremfags who've moved past just wanting Peter to simultaneously be with every girl from his own books, but to also start cucking other Marvel heroes, especially Reed Richards for some reason.


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>>136862956
I wonder how strong he's now, Slott either depowered all his rogues or made his at very least 50 tons

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>>136863278
Yeah, one-shotting Scorpion like that basically implies he could do the same to Rhino, Lizard, Kraven and all the Goblins and Symbiotes too. I don't know why writers are constantly allowed to do power creep scenes like this that are so damaging to the characters and books.


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>>136863278
Yeah, one-shotting Scorpion like that basically implies he could do the same to Rhino, Lizard, Kraven and all the Goblins and Symbiotes too. I don't know why writers are constantly allowed to do power creep scenes like this that are so damaging to the characters and books.

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>>136864629
It's very stupid, at this point "canon" means nothing, there is no real continuity


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>>136849157
I don't understand why they bothered with a scorpion theme if they were just going to make a robot man. Might as well just load him up with jetpacks and missiles, who cares about a theme.