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alright heres something
try ranking the death battle seasons based on how many episodes you like from it, but if theres an episode you really don't like you have to subtract for your favorite episodes, episodes you don't care about are not to be included
>Season 1: 7 Episodes i like (Shadow vs Vegeta, Mario vs Sonic, Starscream vs Rainbow Dash, MC vs Doomguy, Eggman vs Wily, Rebecca vs Bieber and Batman vs Spider-Man) 0 I do not
Season 1 Total Score: 7
>Season 2: 14 Episodes i like (He-Man vs Lion-O, Ryu vs Strider, Terminator vs Robocop, Tigerzord vs Gundum, Ryu vs Scorpion, Deathstroke vs Deadpool, Kirby vs Majin Buu, Chuck vs Segata, Lex vs Tony, Snake vs Sam, Knuckles vs DK, Hercule vs Dan, Mega Man vs Astro Boy and Green Arrow vs Hawkeye) and 2 I do not like (Kanto Starter BR and Ragna vs Sol Badguy)
Season 2 Total Score: 12
>Season 3: 7 Episodes I like (R&C vs Jak and Dexter, Flash vs Quicksilver, Joker vs Sweeth Tooth, Ken vs Terry, Hulk vs Doomsday, Zoro vs Erza and DP vs Pinkie PIe) and 2 episodes i don't like (Scout vs Tracer and Mewtwo vs Shadow)
Season 3 Total Score: 5
>Season 4: 4 Episodes i like (Scrooge vs Shovel Knight, Power Rangers vs Voltron, Balrog vs TJ Combo and Shredder vs Silver Samurai) and 3 episodes i do not like (Venom vs Bane, Lucario vs Renamon and Vergil vs Sephiroth)
Season 4 Total Score: 1
>Season 5: 3 Episodes i like (Jack vs Afro, Ultron vs Sigma and Roshi vs Jiraya) and 4 episodes i do not like (BP vs Batman, Strange vs Fate, Mario vs Sonic 2 and Thanos vs Darkseid)
Season 5 Total Score: -1
>Season 6: 7 Episodes i like (Aquaman vs Namor, Mega Man BR, Wario vs DDD, Cage vs Falcon, Lobo vs GR, Shazam vs Carol and Tatsumaki vs Mob) and 3 episodes i don't like (Weiss vs Mitsuru, Dragonzord vs Kiryu and All Might vs Might Guy)
Season 6 Total Score: 4

[Assistant]
>>136953984
>Season 1 Like: Akuma VS ST, Felicia VS Tao, Kratos VS Spawn, Vegeta VS Shadow, Sonic VS Mario, Star VS Rainbow, Robotnik VS Wily, Goku VS Superman (8)
>Season 1 Dislike: Chief VS DG, Link VS Cloud, Pikachu VS Blanka (3)
Season 1 Score: 5

>Season 2 Like: He Man VS Lion-O, Godzilla VS Gamera, Deadpool VS Deathstroke, Kirby VS Buu, Ragna VS Sol, Chuck VS Segata, Guts VS Nightmare, Iron Man VS Lex, Snake VS Sam, Satan VS Dan, Ash VS Tai (11)
>Season 2 Dislike: Garra VS Toph, Fett VS Samus, GvS2, Yang VS Tifa (4)
Season 2 Score: 7

>Season 3 Like: Dante VS Bayo, Ratchet VS Jak, Hulk VS Doomsday, Zoro VS Ezra, DP VS Pink Horse (5)
>Season 3 Dislike: Joker VS ST, Mewtwo VS Shadow (the fuck?), Meta VS Carolina (waste and shit), Tracer VS Scout (screwjob) (4)
Season 3 Score: 1

>Season 4 Like: Rangers VS Voltron, 18 VS Marvel, Balrog VS TJ (I'd make this worth multiple points alone if possible), Beyond VS Spider Man (4)
>Season 4 Dislike: Natsu VS Ace (put fire guy against guy who eats fire), Lucario VS Renamon (handicap match to placate pokefags), Seph VS Vergil (kind of shit for a finale) (3)
Season 4 Score: 1

>Season 5 Like: Raven VS Sparkle Horse, Jotaro VS Ken, Crash VS Spyro, Sora VS Pit (iffy matchup but I like Kingdom Hearts), Leon VS Frank, Strange VS Fate, Ryu VS Jin, Jack VS Afro, Ultron VS Sigma, Thanos VS Darkseid (10)
>Season 5 Dislike: Carnage VS Lucy, MVS2 (2)
Season 5 Score: 8

>Season 6 Like: Megaman Royale, Rider VS Lobo, Sauce VS Hiei (for the salt), Dragonzord VS Mechagodzilla, Ganon VS Dracula, Mob Vs Tatsumaki, Deadpool VS Mask, All Might VS Guy (8)
>Season 6 Dislike: Widow VS Widowmaker (complete waste), Ben VS Hal (Hal wins but their reasoning was abysmal as well as the animation finish. The salt WAS fun, but the perpetual autism that lingered after from Benfags and DCfags alike sours it a bit compared to Sauce VS Hiei for me) (2)
Season 6 Score: 6


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[Assistant]
>>136951040
Travis is hard and certified literal planetary-tier thanks to 3. Hell, he has better feats than Dante and Kratos, and objective does mop the floor with them. I think Travis wins this MU, depending on how much leeway you give to VJ's movie magic. This MU's winner honestly depends on how much movie magic to allow VJ to use. How much at facevalue you take his feats and apply them outside of movies.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136953984
>Season 1 Like: Akuma VS ST, Felicia VS Tao, Kratos VS Spawn, Vegeta VS Shadow, Sonic VS Mario, Star VS Rainbow, Robotnik VS Wily, Goku VS Superman (8)
>Season 1 Dislike: Chief VS DG, Link VS Cloud, Pikachu VS Blanka (3)
Season 1 Score: 5

>Season 2 Like: He Man VS Lion-O, Godzilla VS Gamera, Deadpool VS Deathstroke, Kirby VS Buu, Ragna VS Sol, Chuck VS Segata, Guts VS Nightmare, Iron Man VS Lex, Snake VS Sam, Satan VS Dan, Ash VS Tai (11)
>Season 2 Dislike: Garra VS Toph, Fett VS Samus, GvS2, Yang VS Tifa (4)
Season 2 Score: 7

>Season 3 Like: Dante VS Bayo, Ratchet VS Jak, Hulk VS Doomsday, Zoro VS Ezra, DP VS Pink Horse (5)
>Season 3 Dislike: Joker VS ST, Mewtwo VS Shadow (the fuck?), Meta VS Carolina (waste and shit), Tracer VS Scout (screwjob) (4)
Season 3 Score: 1

>Season 4 Like: Rangers VS Voltron, 18 VS Marvel, Balrog VS TJ (I'd make this worth multiple points alone if possible), Beyond VS Spider Man (4)
>Season 4 Dislike: Natsu VS Ace (put fire guy against guy who eats fire), Lucario VS Renamon (handicap match to placate pokefags), Seph VS Vergil (kind of shit for a finale) (3)
Season 4 Score: 1

>Season 5 Like: Raven VS Sparkle Horse, Jotaro VS Ken, Crash VS Spyro, Sora VS Pit (iffy matchup but I like Kingdom Hearts), Leon VS Frank, Strange VS Fate, Ryu VS Jin, Jack VS Afro, Ultron VS Sigma, Thanos VS Darkseid (10)
>Season 5 Dislike: Carnage VS Lucy, MVS2 (2)
Season 5 Score: 8

>Season 6 Like: Megaman Royale, Rider VS Lobo, Sauce VS Hiei (for the salt), Dragonzord VS Mechagodzilla, Ganon VS Dracula, Mob Vs Tatsumaki, Deadpool VS Mask, All Might VS Guy (8)
>Season 6 Dislike: Widow VS Widowmaker (complete waste), Ben VS Hal (Hal wins but their reasoning was abysmal as well as the animation finish. The salt WAS fun, but the perpetual autism that lingered after from Benfags and DCfags alike sours it a bit compared to Sauce VS Hiei for me) (2)
Season 6 Score: 6

[Assistant]
>>136954665
>>136953984
>Season 7 Likes: Champ VS Goro (solely for the animation, matchup itself was shit but the fight animation was just that good), Flash VS Archie Sonic (fucking gem in a shit season), Soldier VS Hood, Hulk VS Broly (4)
>Season 7 Dislikes: Canary VS Sindel (shit), Genos VS War Machine (shit), Gray VS Esdeath (who cares), Zuko VS Todoroki (why?), Seven Battle (shill match and boring), Venom VS Crona (terrible booking, also put guy who is weak to sonic stuff against opponent who uses sonic stuff as bnb), RvB (waste that was already answered years ago), Batgirl VS Gwen (Batman VS Spiderman again but worse) (8)
Season 7 Score: -4

>Season 8 Likes: Yoda VS Mickey, Lex VS Doom, Po VS Fist, Star VS Steven, Batman VS Iron Man, Goku Black VS Reverse Flash (so good), Saitama VS Popeye (7)
>Season 8 Dislikes: Shadow VS Ryuko (again shit booking, wanting to give Shadow a win, Ryuko should have fought Crona), Blake VS Mikasa (shit and a blowout), DIO VS Alucard (Swank Dio was abhorrent), Akuma VS Shao Kahn (terrible animation along with shit reasoning. Boring matchup too), Korra VS Storm (cowards avoiding Rey VS Korra) (5)
Season 8 Score: 2

>Season 9 Likes: Witch VS Zatanna, Thor VS Vegeta, Omni Man VS Homelander, Herc VS Wukong, Trunks VS Silver (easily best of the season), Spongebob VS Aquaman (sorta humorous), Sauron VS LK, Deku VS Asta (iffy but I like Asta so fuck it) (8)
>Season 9 Dislikes: Tanjiro VS Jonathan (Jojo Swank continues to be terrible. Jonathan scaling to stands and part 3 Dio? Seriously?), Magneto VS Tetsuo (shit booking should have been Accelerator), Fett VS Predator (lame match and lol scaling to Vader), Excalibur VS Raiden (shill ep and dull), Jason VS Myers (terrible holy shit), Gogeta VS Vegito (absolute waste of time especially for a fucking finale) (6)
Season 9 Score: 2


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
alright heres something
try ranking the death battle seasons based on how many episodes you like from it, but if theres an episode you really don't like you have to subtract for your favorite episodes, episodes you don't care about are not to be included
>Season 1: 7 Episodes i like (Shadow vs Vegeta, Mario vs Sonic, Starscream vs Rainbow Dash, MC vs Doomguy, Eggman vs Wily, Rebecca vs Bieber and Batman vs Spider-Man) 0 I do not
Season 1 Total Score: 7
>Season 2: 14 Episodes i like (He-Man vs Lion-O, Ryu vs Strider, Terminator vs Robocop, Tigerzord vs Gundum, Ryu vs Scorpion, Deathstroke vs Deadpool, Kirby vs Majin Buu, Chuck vs Segata, Lex vs Tony, Snake vs Sam, Knuckles vs DK, Hercule vs Dan, Mega Man vs Astro Boy and Green Arrow vs Hawkeye) and 2 I do not like (Kanto Starter BR and Ragna vs Sol Badguy)
Season 2 Total Score: 12
>Season 3: 7 Episodes I like (R&C vs Jak and Dexter, Flash vs Quicksilver, Joker vs Sweeth Tooth, Ken vs Terry, Hulk vs Doomsday, Zoro vs Erza and DP vs Pinkie PIe) and 2 episodes i don't like (Scout vs Tracer and Mewtwo vs Shadow)
Season 3 Total Score: 5
>Season 4: 4 Episodes i like (Scrooge vs Shovel Knight, Power Rangers vs Voltron, Balrog vs TJ Combo and Shredder vs Silver Samurai) and 3 episodes i do not like (Venom vs Bane, Lucario vs Renamon and Vergil vs Sephiroth)
Season 4 Total Score: 1
>Season 5: 3 Episodes i like (Jack vs Afro, Ultron vs Sigma and Roshi vs Jiraya) and 4 episodes i do not like (BP vs Batman, Strange vs Fate, Mario vs Sonic 2 and Thanos vs Darkseid)
Season 5 Total Score: -1
>Season 6: 7 Episodes i like (Aquaman vs Namor, Mega Man BR, Wario vs DDD, Cage vs Falcon, Lobo vs GR, Shazam vs Carol and Tatsumaki vs Mob) and 3 episodes i don't like (Weiss vs Mitsuru, Dragonzord vs Kiryu and All Might vs Might Guy)
Season 6 Total Score: 4

[Assistant]
>>136954665
>>136953984
>Season 7 Likes: Champ VS Goro (solely for the animation, matchup itself was shit but the fight animation was just that good), Flash VS Archie Sonic (fucking gem in a shit season), Soldier VS Hood, Hulk VS Broly (4)
>Season 7 Dislikes: Canary VS Sindel (shit), Genos VS War Machine (shit), Gray VS Esdeath (who cares), Zuko VS Todoroki (why?), Seven Battle (shill match and boring), Venom VS Crona (terrible booking, also put guy who is weak to sonic stuff against opponent who uses sonic stuff as bnb), RvB (waste that was already answered years ago), Batgirl VS Gwen (Batman VS Spiderman again but worse) (8)
Season 7 Score: -4

>Season 8 Likes: Yoda VS Mickey, Lex VS Doom, Po VS Fist, Star VS Steven, Batman VS Iron Man, Goku Black VS Reverse Flash (so good), Saitama VS Popeye (7)
>Season 8 Dislikes: Shadow VS Ryuko (again shit booking, wanting to give Shadow a win, Ryuko should have fought Crona), Blake VS Mikasa (shit and a blowout), DIO VS Alucard (Swank Dio was abhorrent), Akuma VS Shao Kahn (terrible animation along with shit reasoning. Boring matchup too), Korra VS Storm (cowards avoiding Rey VS Korra) (5)
Season 8 Score: 2

>Season 9 Likes: Witch VS Zatanna, Thor VS Vegeta, Omni Man VS Homelander, Herc VS Wukong, Trunks VS Silver (easily best of the season), Spongebob VS Aquaman (sorta humorous), Sauron VS LK, Deku VS Asta (iffy but I like Asta so fuck it) (8)
>Season 9 Dislikes: Tanjiro VS Jonathan (Jojo Swank continues to be terrible. Jonathan scaling to stands and part 3 Dio? Seriously?), Magneto VS Tetsuo (shit booking should have been Accelerator), Fett VS Predator (lame match and lol scaling to Vader), Excalibur VS Raiden (shill ep and dull), Jason VS Myers (terrible holy shit), Gogeta VS Vegito (absolute waste of time especially for a fucking finale) (6)
Season 9 Score: 2


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[User]
>>136949118
>>136949280
>>136949417
reminder
Dragon Ball is only 2-C (Multi-Universal) at best, with none canon shit being 2-A (Infinitely Multiversal), any attempts at changing this Tiering Placement is pure memes and mishandling statements out of their context/basic logic (Jump Force and Audience Fusion), the tiering system is purely correct and based on logic, physics and science, something dragon ball fans being the negro apes that they are cannot comprehend because when you show them flashing colors with muscley man they will lose their shit like the low life specimen they are and begin their ad hominem inducing tantrums in the dicussion and are therfore to be disregarded purely as jests
the following verses effortlessly shit on dragon ball
>Almost every visual/light novel that you never heard of
>Puella Magi Verse
>Ben 10
>Pokemon
>Fate/Stay Night
>Vampire Hunter D
>Persona/Shin Megami Tensei
>Marvel Comics
>DC Comics
>Sucker for Love
>Magi
>Fire Emblem
>Guilty Gear
>Bayonetta
>Xenoblade Chronicles
>Image Comics
>Mario Bros
>Wizard101
>Dungeon and Dragons
>Self Reference Engine
>SCP Foundation (this one makes incels seethe in this thread)
>Digimon
>Radiant Historia
>Journey to the West
>Lord of the Rings
>Doctor Who
>Summer Time Render
>Who Killed Markiplier?
>07th Expansion Series aka When They Cry for normalfags
>Homestuck
>Magic: The Gathering
>Chrono Trigger
>Earthbound
>Kingdom Hearts
>a lot of Nintendo JRPGs
>Star Trek
>Warhammer 40K/Fantasy
>Devil May Cry
>God of War
>Twink Peaks
>The Cthulhu Mythos
>World of Darkness
>The Big Lez Show
>The Elder Scrolls
>Destiny
>DOOM
>Kamen Rider
>Transformers
>Power Rangers
>The Dark Tower
>Scribblenauts
>Gurren Laggan
>Nightside
>Xeelee Sequence
>Ponyshit
>Sailor Moon
>Super Sentai
>Kirby
>Godzilla
>Unsong

[Assistant]
>>136949672
question is which Rider has the best connections for a Goku matchup?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136953859
>The current stats for DB vs. DC is 0-3,
Bruh, even Superman's writers are calling you out on your bullshit. Give it a rest.

[Assistant]
>>136953997
>instagram comments, and from Bendis at that

You mean Bendis? The comic writer? The one who repeats himself to bloat comics? That Bendis? The one everyone takes as a joke? That Bendis?

But since we're in the Death Battle thread, of the three Death Battles between DC and Dragonball, Dragonball has lost all 3. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. When that changes you can go back to your nonsense, but as of now, it is a fact. No amount of cope, no amount of posting random antifeats changes that Dragonball has yet to triumph over DC in a Death Battle Episode. Switch to Marvel, they went 2-1 there.


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>>136953997
>instagram comments, and from Bendis at that

You mean Bendis? The comic writer? The one who repeats himself to bloat comics? That Bendis? The one everyone takes as a joke? That Bendis?

But since we're in the Death Battle thread, of the three Death Battles between DC and Dragonball, Dragonball has lost all 3. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. When that changes you can go back to your nonsense, but as of now, it is a fact. No amount of cope, no amount of posting random antifeats changes that Dragonball has yet to triumph over DC in a Death Battle Episode. Switch to Marvel, they went 2-1 there.

[Assistant]
>>136954737
>I don't like that writer so I will ignore him.
Every time...

>Bu-but muh DB fan fiction.
They're wrong. Their representation of the character doesn't coincide with the writer's interpretation and with canon.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136954737
>I don't like that writer so I will ignore him.
Every time...

>Bu-but muh DB fan fiction.
They're wrong. Their representation of the character doesn't coincide with the writer's interpretation and with canon.

[Assistant]
>>136954815
Bendis is continually wrong on many characters, so yes, he is ignored. Much like you ignore the manga.

>M-muh DB fanfiction
It's the thread you're in. If you just want to say Dragonball strong, go to /dbs/. But as it stands three times they analyzed Dragonball vs. DC and 3 times they have lost. You can cope with they're wrong, but it is the score as it stands.


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[User]
>>136949174
Is Mazinger really subplanetary?

[Assistant]
>>136949568
Vanilla Z is. Toei and Manga cap at at large mountain/island level. By absorbing all the world's photonic energy, he was able to produce a planet-sized explosion. Shin Mazinger Z came close to this with the Zeus Punch.

With Swank, you can get Infinity Z to multiverse level if you grossly misinterpret how it was able to counter the Goragon.

Mazinger Zero at max power is no-bullshit multiverse level. You don't even need to use Swank. He's likely the strongest super robot of all time. His on-page feats are greater than even Getter Emperor. Zero would curbstomp Goku.

Mazinkaiser is a very weird kettle of fish. He can either curbstomp Goku or get curbstomped based specifically on what you give him.

>>136951220
>>136951269
>>136951699
Mazinkaiser -started- as a SRW exclusive character who was later adapted into an OVA and then back to SRW.

>>136951754
The Alpha version 1v1'ed Zero and the Infinitism version implied all Mazinkaisers are the same entity travelling the multiverse in response to Koji's wishes. It also absorbed -all the photonic power in the multiverse-.


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[User]
>>136949174
If it just means mazinger in general rather than z aside from ZERO, mazinkaiser could win through SRW wank

[Assistant]
>>136949568
Vanilla Z is. Toei and Manga cap at at large mountain/island level. By absorbing all the world's photonic energy, he was able to produce a planet-sized explosion. Shin Mazinger Z came close to this with the Zeus Punch.

With Swank, you can get Infinity Z to multiverse level if you grossly misinterpret how it was able to counter the Goragon.

Mazinger Zero at max power is no-bullshit multiverse level. You don't even need to use Swank. He's likely the strongest super robot of all time. His on-page feats are greater than even Getter Emperor. Zero would curbstomp Goku.

Mazinkaiser is a very weird kettle of fish. He can either curbstomp Goku or get curbstomped based specifically on what you give him.

>>136951220
>>136951269
>>136951699
Mazinkaiser -started- as a SRW exclusive character who was later adapted into an OVA and then back to SRW.

>>136951754
The Alpha version 1v1'ed Zero and the Infinitism version implied all Mazinkaisers are the same entity travelling the multiverse in response to Koji's wishes. It also absorbed -all the photonic power in the multiverse-.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136951220
>could win through SRW wank
It's amazing how people still support this justification.

[Assistant]
>>136949568
Vanilla Z is. Toei and Manga cap at at large mountain/island level. By absorbing all the world's photonic energy, he was able to produce a planet-sized explosion. Shin Mazinger Z came close to this with the Zeus Punch.

With Swank, you can get Infinity Z to multiverse level if you grossly misinterpret how it was able to counter the Goragon.

Mazinger Zero at max power is no-bullshit multiverse level. You don't even need to use Swank. He's likely the strongest super robot of all time. His on-page feats are greater than even Getter Emperor. Zero would curbstomp Goku.

Mazinkaiser is a very weird kettle of fish. He can either curbstomp Goku or get curbstomped based specifically on what you give him.

>>136951220
>>136951269
>>136951699
Mazinkaiser -started- as a SRW exclusive character who was later adapted into an OVA and then back to SRW.

>>136951754
The Alpha version 1v1'ed Zero and the Infinitism version implied all Mazinkaisers are the same entity travelling the multiverse in response to Koji's wishes. It also absorbed -all the photonic power in the multiverse-.


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[User]
>>136951269
They'd be justified since mazinkaiser has been consistently universal-multiversal at best since srw alpha 1-srw 30 with mazinkaiser infinitism. Alpha 1 Mazinkaiser was described to be able to destroy the universe in the srw alpha games at full power and could possibly go higher than that since it fought and damaged kaiser ephes and his power source(tetragrammaton) is powered by the dead of the multiverse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxJEVJoJ0rE. [Embed] Crossover game wank shit is serious

[Assistant]
>>136949568
Vanilla Z is. Toei and Manga cap at at large mountain/island level. By absorbing all the world's photonic energy, he was able to produce a planet-sized explosion. Shin Mazinger Z came close to this with the Zeus Punch.

With Swank, you can get Infinity Z to multiverse level if you grossly misinterpret how it was able to counter the Goragon.

Mazinger Zero at max power is no-bullshit multiverse level. You don't even need to use Swank. He's likely the strongest super robot of all time. His on-page feats are greater than even Getter Emperor. Zero would curbstomp Goku.

Mazinkaiser is a very weird kettle of fish. He can either curbstomp Goku or get curbstomped based specifically on what you give him.

>>136951220
>>136951269
>>136951699
Mazinkaiser -started- as a SRW exclusive character who was later adapted into an OVA and then back to SRW.

>>136951754
The Alpha version 1v1'ed Zero and the Infinitism version implied all Mazinkaisers are the same entity travelling the multiverse in response to Koji's wishes. It also absorbed -all the photonic power in the multiverse-.


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[User]
>>136951699
>has fought
So he doesn't have any real feats showing he's capable of universe-busting?

Goku wins.

Next.

[Assistant]
>>136949568
Vanilla Z is. Toei and Manga cap at at large mountain/island level. By absorbing all the world's photonic energy, he was able to produce a planet-sized explosion. Shin Mazinger Z came close to this with the Zeus Punch.

With Swank, you can get Infinity Z to multiverse level if you grossly misinterpret how it was able to counter the Goragon.

Mazinger Zero at max power is no-bullshit multiverse level. You don't even need to use Swank. He's likely the strongest super robot of all time. His on-page feats are greater than even Getter Emperor. Zero would curbstomp Goku.

Mazinkaiser is a very weird kettle of fish. He can either curbstomp Goku or get curbstomped based specifically on what you give him.

>>136951220
>>136951269
>>136951699
Mazinkaiser -started- as a SRW exclusive character who was later adapted into an OVA and then back to SRW.

>>136951754
The Alpha version 1v1'ed Zero and the Infinitism version implied all Mazinkaisers are the same entity travelling the multiverse in response to Koji's wishes. It also absorbed -all the photonic power in the multiverse-.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136954815
Bendis is continually wrong on many characters, so yes, he is ignored. Much like you ignore the manga.

>M-muh DB fanfiction
It's the thread you're in. If you just want to say Dragonball strong, go to /dbs/. But as it stands three times they analyzed Dragonball vs. DC and 3 times they have lost. You can cope with they're wrong, but it is the score as it stands.

[Assistant]
>>136954943
>Bendis has been wrong.
No he hasn't. Bendis is a writer. He defines the characters, their powers and their limits. If you think the writer is wrong about the characters he writes then you're by definition wrong.

>Bu-but this is a DB thread.
Don't give a shit. They're demonstrably wrong, and their Superman vs Goku threads have been debunked countless times already. The fact that they've failed to respond to any of these debunks means they've conceded.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136954943
>Bendis has been wrong.
No he hasn't. Bendis is a writer. He defines the characters, their powers and their limits. If you think the writer is wrong about the characters he writes then you're by definition wrong.

>Bu-but this is a DB thread.
Don't give a shit. They're demonstrably wrong, and their Superman vs Goku threads have been debunked countless times already. The fact that they've failed to respond to any of these debunks means they've conceded.

[Assistant]
>>136955233
>When you're so mindbroken by Superman domination you defend Bendis
There's nothing left to this man, just an empty shell filled with bitterness.


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[User]
>>136955233
>When you're so mindbroken by Superman domination you defend Bendis
There's nothing left to this man, just an empty shell filled with bitterness.

[Assistant]
>>136955306
>Local Supertroon gets mad at DC writers because they don't give him DBZ-level feats.


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[User]
Man, for how shit the matchup was for screwing us out of Sesshoumaru vs Vergil, the fight animation was great.
https://twitter.com/AnimatedTorrii/status/1651701587470061573

[Assistant]
>>136952163
>Most of his recent tweets are Death Battle related
What're the chances he did an episode or two this season?


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[User]
>>136954943
>Bendis has been wrong.
No he hasn't. Bendis is a writer. He defines the characters, their powers and their limits. If you think the writer is wrong about the characters he writes then you're by definition wrong.

>Bu-but this is a DB thread.
Don't give a shit. They're demonstrably wrong, and their Superman vs Goku threads have been debunked countless times already. The fact that they've failed to respond to any of these debunks means they've conceded.

[Assistant]
>>136955233
>Goku Black vs Thawne
>Wrong
The only thing that was retarded in that fight was the "Thawne held back the destruction of dah DC multiverse!!!", and even then it's only egregious at worst because he scales to and above a Corrupted Barry and a regular Wally, and we all know about what the two of those did during the Flash War.
>Inb4 muh inconsistencies
Thawne matching Barry happened in the same run that the Flash War happened in.


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>>136955536
Even the ending is better and more in-character than DB.


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>listTROON is hiding behind Dragon Ball again
How did Superman mindbreak this pedo so hard?

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>>136953112
Seeing goku get his brain fried gave him a mindbreak fetish and he now must project it with his weird superman fap fictions like the weird creepy sex pervert he is


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>>136949005 (OP)
i have a question for you guys.
suppose 2 characters are fighting, character "A" and character "B".
now character A is omnipotent and i mean it literally. he actually is omnipotent.
while character B is beyond all concepts, including the concept of omnipotence.

between these 2 characters, who would win?

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>>136950766
second character can't be "beyond the concept of omnipotence" or it's not omnipotence, it's a meaningless title. If the first character is truly omnipotent there there isn't anything the second character can do to combat that


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>>136955233
>Goku Black vs Thawne
>Wrong
The only thing that was retarded in that fight was the "Thawne held back the destruction of dah DC multiverse!!!", and even then it's only egregious at worst because he scales to and above a Corrupted Barry and a regular Wally, and we all know about what the two of those did during the Flash War.
>Inb4 muh inconsistencies
Thawne matching Barry happened in the same run that the Flash War happened in.

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>>136955646
Name 1 fight where Reverse Flash has fought like he did against Goku Black in DB...that's right you can't.


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>>136950766
second character can't be "beyond the concept of omnipotence" or it's not omnipotence, it's a meaningless title. If the first character is truly omnipotent there there isn't anything the second character can do to combat that

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>>136955685
What does "beyond the concept of" even mean?

This seems like a variation of Suggs' "beyond the necessity of".


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>>136955646
Name 1 fight where Reverse Flash has fought like he did against Goku Black in DB...that's right you can't.

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>>136955696
Wow, what an amazing argument. Also you want me to name a fight where Thawne gets killed and comes back? Or erases people? Or runs through Hypertime? Or exists in the same place at the same time? Or runs all around the planet? Because like, I can. I can very easily get those panels since he does this sort of shit. If you want to complain about OOC abilities in the animation, then I'm just going to point out Black being able to breathe in space, since that's just as dumb as Thawne tanking a punch that sends him through the Earth and the Moon.
>Posting the batwank panel
It's very telling that your best retort to my post is "w-well he jobbed to Bruce that one time...." even though he was literally bullying the guy the entire time. Why does no one ever post the panels before and after this one by the way? You know, the one where Thawne is kicking Bruce's ass up and down the Batcave, and then gets the button after slam dunking him for 5 minutes straight?


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>>136955685
What does "beyond the concept of" even mean?

This seems like a variation of Suggs' "beyond the necessity of".

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>>136955721
it's a pointless "I have a bigger number" sentence to one-up characters and keep up power creep and wanking off how many outerverses someone can destroy by blinking

when you hit "this character is boundless and omnipotent" as stated or demonstrated within the work and it's the 100% be-all end-all definition of omnipotence, there is no further debate. There is no "beyond omnipotence," no "beyond omniscience," they're pointless bigger number meters that don't hold up in argument beyond ones you'd find on a playground and they only exist so people can have an excuse for their character to be the biggest and baddest thing in the room.


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>>136955696
Wow, what an amazing argument. Also you want me to name a fight where Thawne gets killed and comes back? Or erases people? Or runs through Hypertime? Or exists in the same place at the same time? Or runs all around the planet? Because like, I can. I can very easily get those panels since he does this sort of shit. If you want to complain about OOC abilities in the animation, then I'm just going to point out Black being able to breathe in space, since that's just as dumb as Thawne tanking a punch that sends him through the Earth and the Moon.
>Posting the batwank panel
It's very telling that your best retort to my post is "w-well he jobbed to Bruce that one time...." even though he was literally bullying the guy the entire time. Why does no one ever post the panels before and after this one by the way? You know, the one where Thawne is kicking Bruce's ass up and down the Batcave, and then gets the button after slam dunking him for 5 minutes straight?

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>>136955812
No, show me a fight where he does this shit.

Oh right you can't because it's 100% fan fiction, made up abilities and all.

Thawne isn't even on that level. Goku Black would just bust the planet and leave and it's over. Thawne can't run in space or even survive in space. Boom it's done.

And what's even more funny is that Goku Black was an actual immortal (as opposed to Thawne who is 100% mortal and dies repeatedly). But that was conveniently ignored too for some reason.

But sure kid, let's wank DC and downplay DB so that we can pretend that they're on the same level.


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>>136953689
>instead of kicking superman, shooting eye beams or firing ki blasts at his arms, head or chest, Goku just accepts death


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>>136955721
it's a pointless "I have a bigger number" sentence to one-up characters and keep up power creep and wanking off how many outerverses someone can destroy by blinking

when you hit "this character is boundless and omnipotent" as stated or demonstrated within the work and it's the 100% be-all end-all definition of omnipotence, there is no further debate. There is no "beyond omnipotence," no "beyond omniscience," they're pointless bigger number meters that don't hold up in argument beyond ones you'd find on a playground and they only exist so people can have an excuse for their character to be the biggest and baddest thing in the room.

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>>136955856
I'm being serious. I see people keep making this distinction.

"Character A is beyond the concept of space-time so he's more powerful than character B who is only beyond space-time."

And I'm left wondering. Isn't space-time by definition a concept? It's a conceptual representation of the universe and its structure.

But apparently it's something different but they're never able to explain it.


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>>136949005 (OP)
Who can Alex from YIIK: A POSTMODERN RPG fight because he is multiversal++++


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>>136949005 (OP)
Who can Alex from YIIK: A POSTMODERN RPG fight because he is multiversal++++

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>>136955941
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??

(Ill legit vibrate with motion if YIIK ever gets into death battle)


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>>136953689
>instead of kicking superman, shooting eye beams or firing ki blasts at his arms, head or chest, Goku just accepts death

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>>136955899
Goku was getting chocked several times in his own series and didn't do all those things either.


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>>136955812
No, show me a fight where he does this shit.

Oh right you can't because it's 100% fan fiction, made up abilities and all.

Thawne isn't even on that level. Goku Black would just bust the planet and leave and it's over. Thawne can't run in space or even survive in space. Boom it's done.

And what's even more funny is that Goku Black was an actual immortal (as opposed to Thawne who is 100% mortal and dies repeatedly). But that was conveniently ignored too for some reason.

But sure kid, let's wank DC and downplay DB so that we can pretend that they're on the same level.

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>>136955878
>No, show me a fight where he does this shit.
Okay, sure.
>Dying and coming back/running around all over the planet
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Flash-2016/Issue-27?id=118016#6
>Erases people
He can both erase people physically and conceptually, by the way. He did so against Cyborg in Flashpoint, which is canon for him.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Flashpoint-Reverse-Flash/Full?id=91373#26


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>>136955625
yes, cubes would also make it more unique


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>>136953689
>instead of kicking superman, shooting eye beams or firing ki blasts at his arms, head or chest, Goku just accepts death

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>>136955899
>use eye beams, as he is famed to do, his signature move, the eye beam

>>136955970
As this anon said, it's a constant in Dragonball, once they're grappled, they just get their shit slapped.


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>>136955899
Goku was getting chocked several times in his own series and didn't do all those things either.

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>>136955899
>use eye beams, as he is famed to do, his signature move, the eye beam

>>136955970
As this anon said, it's a constant in Dragonball, once they're grappled, they just get their shit slapped.


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>>136955899
Goku was getting chocked several times in his own series and didn't do all those things either.

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>>136955970
As his heart got crushed by Hit, Goku did fire a blast onto the sky so it would reanimate him later

so...i mean, they could have at least had him try to fight till the very end instead of just looking at clark like a sad puppy


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>>136955899
>use eye beams, as he is famed to do, his signature move, the eye beam

>>136955970
As this anon said, it's a constant in Dragonball, once they're grappled, they just get their shit slapped.

[Assistant]
>>136956009
kiai blast

google it


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>>136955899
>use eye beams, as he is famed to do, his signature move, the eye beam

>>136955970
As this anon said, it's a constant in Dragonball, once they're grappled, they just get their shit slapped.

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>>136956009
when goku was getting choked by frieza he tried to break free and bit his tail


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>>136949005 (OP)
Who can Alex from YIIK: A POSTMODERN RPG fight because he is multiversal++++

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>>136955941
>>136955956
I got it bring him caliborn


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>>136955941
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??

(Ill legit vibrate with motion if YIIK ever gets into death battle)

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>>136955941
>>136955956
I got it bring him caliborn


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>>136955878
>No, show me a fight where he does this shit.
Okay, sure.
>Dying and coming back/running around all over the planet
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Flash-2016/Issue-27?id=118016#6
>Erases people
He can both erase people physically and conceptually, by the way. He did so against Cyborg in Flashpoint, which is canon for him.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Flashpoint-Reverse-Flash/Full?id=91373#26

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>>136955979
Let's look at you scan.

He died, fight ended. Boom. Was killed by a character and weapon who doesn't have a fraction of Goku Black's speed.

This is your scan mate...


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>>136955856
I'm being serious. I see people keep making this distinction.

"Character A is beyond the concept of space-time so he's more powerful than character B who is only beyond space-time."

And I'm left wondering. Isn't space-time by definition a concept? It's a conceptual representation of the universe and its structure.

But apparently it's something different but they're never able to explain it.

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>>136955928
that's what I mean by it being pointless "bigger number" dick measuring. It's shit that literally only exists in versus battles communities for tier lists in order to quantify highly specific levels of bullshit that, by definition, would not matter after a point simply because trying to put a hierarchy on actual infinity is a fool's errand. You could have an author come out and say "this character is omnipotent and completely boundless by the end of the story, that's why it ends there" and people would still be tripping over themselves to justify why they're only """"outerversal 2-B+++ maybe""""


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>>136955928
that's what I mean by it being pointless "bigger number" dick measuring. It's shit that literally only exists in versus battles communities for tier lists in order to quantify highly specific levels of bullshit that, by definition, would not matter after a point simply because trying to put a hierarchy on actual infinity is a fool's errand. You could have an author come out and say "this character is omnipotent and completely boundless by the end of the story, that's why it ends there" and people would still be tripping over themselves to justify why they're only """"outerversal 2-B+++ maybe""""

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>>136956099
Easy enough, just throw in words like "multiverse" and "omniverse" and "dogsled."


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>>136956009
kiai blast

google it

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>>136956036
Goku could have also ki shouted at Clark.


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>>136955970
As his heart got crushed by Hit, Goku did fire a blast onto the sky so it would reanimate him later

so...i mean, they could have at least had him try to fight till the very end instead of just looking at clark like a sad puppy

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>>136956012
It was basically a ki defiblirator and would be ruined by anyone just moving the body to the side.
And again, while Goku has broken out of grapples, sometimes he also just doesn't and has to get rescued.


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>>136955928
that's what I mean by it being pointless "bigger number" dick measuring. It's shit that literally only exists in versus battles communities for tier lists in order to quantify highly specific levels of bullshit that, by definition, would not matter after a point simply because trying to put a hierarchy on actual infinity is a fool's errand. You could have an author come out and say "this character is omnipotent and completely boundless by the end of the story, that's why it ends there" and people would still be tripping over themselves to justify why they're only """"outerversal 2-B+++ maybe""""

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>>136956099
No. Bigger number can make sense. As can clear explanations of powers. But injecting extra subtext because of a word like "concept" is used is just garbage scaling. Especially when they can't justify the difference beyond "accepted consensus".


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>>136956012
It was basically a ki defiblirator and would be ruined by anyone just moving the body to the side.
And again, while Goku has broken out of grapples, sometimes he also just doesn't and has to get rescued.

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>>136956159
Well, against broly, he had his hand around his whole head. Taking two options away from what he had in GVS2

not that such episode is even accurate since clark didnt even lift the book of infinite pages and flying from vega to earth is quantifiable and not even impressive compared to other speed feats in later seasons


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>>136956012
It was basically a ki defiblirator and would be ruined by anyone just moving the body to the side.
And again, while Goku has broken out of grapples, sometimes he also just doesn't and has to get rescued.

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>>136956159
and the point is that he still did something rather than accepting death


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>>136955979
Let's look at you scan.

He died, fight ended. Boom. Was killed by a character and weapon who doesn't have a fraction of Goku Black's speed.

This is your scan mate...

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>>136956091
>literally a few pages before


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>>136953689
>instead of kicking superman, shooting eye beams or firing ki blasts at his arms, head or chest, Goku just accepts death

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>>136955899
Superman straight up walked through his kamehameha, nothing he did would have mattered


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>>136955878
>No, show me a fight where he does this shit.
Okay, sure.
>Dying and coming back/running around all over the planet
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Flash-2016/Issue-27?id=118016#6
>Erases people
He can both erase people physically and conceptually, by the way. He did so against Cyborg in Flashpoint, which is canon for him.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Flashpoint-Reverse-Flash/Full?id=91373#26

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>>136955979
>>136955878
Whoops, hit send too early. Anyways I'm way too lazy to find the panels of him being around at the time of his death (not the one I sent, the one where Barry snapped his neck), but it happens more often than not.
>Oh right you can't because it's 100% fan fiction, made up abilities and all.
Lmao what. You could easily search for these things yourself. Writing it off because it hurts your fee-fees to admit Thawne rapes Black five ways to Sunday is childish.
>Thawne can't run in space or even survive in space. Boom it's done.
Now I'm convinced you just don't know what you're talking about. Flashes could run on places where there was nothing to stand on numerous times, being in space is hardly an issue (see: Ace running to the past after a future was destroyed). That's also not mentioning that a Past Thawne would be able to prevent planetary destruction by erasing the would-be destroyer.
>And what's even more funny is that Goku Black was an actual immortal (as opposed to Thawne who is 100% mortal and dies repeatedly)
Lamayo. ZAMASU is immortal, Goku Black was a pseudo time geek who only survived for so long because another him from a different timeline would take his place. If anything, Thawne is the better immortal since his respawn time is basically instant.
>>136956091
So, you didn't even read the actual issue? Because before that panel Thawne is literally powerless since Barry just took his speed. You could've at least done like a bit of reading before hopping at the chance to make yourself look dumb.
Let me wrap this up though. Thawne had dozens of ways to kill Black even without brute force (Tossing him into the Negative Speedforce until he turned to dust, erasing him as a concept or just physically, removing his organs and so on) He could've brought a Goku from another time to kill GB, he could've brought him to the end of time. Black had no wincon.


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>>136955812
No, show me a fight where he does this shit.

Oh right you can't because it's 100% fan fiction, made up abilities and all.

Thawne isn't even on that level. Goku Black would just bust the planet and leave and it's over. Thawne can't run in space or even survive in space. Boom it's done.

And what's even more funny is that Goku Black was an actual immortal (as opposed to Thawne who is 100% mortal and dies repeatedly). But that was conveniently ignored too for some reason.

But sure kid, let's wank DC and downplay DB so that we can pretend that they're on the same level.

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>>136955979
>>136955878
Whoops, hit send too early. Anyways I'm way too lazy to find the panels of him being around at the time of his death (not the one I sent, the one where Barry snapped his neck), but it happens more often than not.
>Oh right you can't because it's 100% fan fiction, made up abilities and all.
Lmao what. You could easily search for these things yourself. Writing it off because it hurts your fee-fees to admit Thawne rapes Black five ways to Sunday is childish.
>Thawne can't run in space or even survive in space. Boom it's done.
Now I'm convinced you just don't know what you're talking about. Flashes could run on places where there was nothing to stand on numerous times, being in space is hardly an issue (see: Ace running to the past after a future was destroyed). That's also not mentioning that a Past Thawne would be able to prevent planetary destruction by erasing the would-be destroyer.
>And what's even more funny is that Goku Black was an actual immortal (as opposed to Thawne who is 100% mortal and dies repeatedly)
Lamayo. ZAMASU is immortal, Goku Black was a pseudo time geek who only survived for so long because another him from a different timeline would take his place. If anything, Thawne is the better immortal since his respawn time is basically instant.
>>136956091
So, you didn't even read the actual issue? Because before that panel Thawne is literally powerless since Barry just took his speed. You could've at least done like a bit of reading before hopping at the chance to make yourself look dumb.
Let me wrap this up though. Thawne had dozens of ways to kill Black even without brute force (Tossing him into the Negative Speedforce until he turned to dust, erasing him as a concept or just physically, removing his organs and so on) He could've brought a Goku from another time to kill GB, he could've brought him to the end of time. Black had no wincon.


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>>136955979
Let's look at you scan.

He died, fight ended. Boom. Was killed by a character and weapon who doesn't have a fraction of Goku Black's speed.

This is your scan mate...

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>>136955979
>>136955878
Whoops, hit send too early. Anyways I'm way too lazy to find the panels of him being around at the time of his death (not the one I sent, the one where Barry snapped his neck), but it happens more often than not.
>Oh right you can't because it's 100% fan fiction, made up abilities and all.
Lmao what. You could easily search for these things yourself. Writing it off because it hurts your fee-fees to admit Thawne rapes Black five ways to Sunday is childish.
>Thawne can't run in space or even survive in space. Boom it's done.
Now I'm convinced you just don't know what you're talking about. Flashes could run on places where there was nothing to stand on numerous times, being in space is hardly an issue (see: Ace running to the past after a future was destroyed). That's also not mentioning that a Past Thawne would be able to prevent planetary destruction by erasing the would-be destroyer.
>And what's even more funny is that Goku Black was an actual immortal (as opposed to Thawne who is 100% mortal and dies repeatedly)
Lamayo. ZAMASU is immortal, Goku Black was a pseudo time geek who only survived for so long because another him from a different timeline would take his place. If anything, Thawne is the better immortal since his respawn time is basically instant.
>>136956091
So, you didn't even read the actual issue? Because before that panel Thawne is literally powerless since Barry just took his speed. You could've at least done like a bit of reading before hopping at the chance to make yourself look dumb.
Let me wrap this up though. Thawne had dozens of ways to kill Black even without brute force (Tossing him into the Negative Speedforce until he turned to dust, erasing him as a concept or just physically, removing his organs and so on) He could've brought a Goku from another time to kill GB, he could've brought him to the end of time. Black had no wincon.


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>>136955899
Superman straight up walked through his kamehameha, nothing he did would have mattered

[Assistant]
>>136956272
teleport into namek and absorbing spirit bomb

superman cannot feel energy


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>>136956099
Easy enough, just throw in words like "multiverse" and "omniverse" and "dogsled."

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>>136956118
This is also something I'm wondering about.

Why is a multiverse necessarily more difficult to destroy than a universe. Because there have been instances (in Marvel and DC in particular) where the original universe (First Firmament and Positive Matter Universe) were more durable than the subsequent multiverse.


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>>136956118
This is also something I'm wondering about.

Why is a multiverse necessarily more difficult to destroy than a universe. Because there have been instances (in Marvel and DC in particular) where the original universe (First Firmament and Positive Matter Universe) were more durable than the subsequent multiverse.

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>>136956351
in the MCU a single timeline is multiversal since there are dormammu variants

guess it all depends on cosmology


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>>136955899
Superman straight up walked through his kamehameha, nothing he did would have mattered

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>>136956272
He simply could have instant transsmission'd out of Superman's grip.


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>>136956159
Well, against broly, he had his hand around his whole head. Taking two options away from what he had in GVS2

not that such episode is even accurate since clark didnt even lift the book of infinite pages and flying from vega to earth is quantifiable and not even impressive compared to other speed feats in later seasons

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>>136956204
>>136956222
And other times he got grabbed and had to get someone to rescue him (like with Cooler) or just got thrown without responding.
I don't really even care about the rest of the conversation, just how weirdly autistic you are about Goku getting grabbed.


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>>136956159
and the point is that he still did something rather than accepting death

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>>136956204
>>136956222
And other times he got grabbed and had to get someone to rescue him (like with Cooler) or just got thrown without responding.
I don't really even care about the rest of the conversation, just how weirdly autistic you are about Goku getting grabbed.


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>>136955979
>>136955878
Whoops, hit send too early. Anyways I'm way too lazy to find the panels of him being around at the time of his death (not the one I sent, the one where Barry snapped his neck), but it happens more often than not.
>Oh right you can't because it's 100% fan fiction, made up abilities and all.
Lmao what. You could easily search for these things yourself. Writing it off because it hurts your fee-fees to admit Thawne rapes Black five ways to Sunday is childish.
>Thawne can't run in space or even survive in space. Boom it's done.
Now I'm convinced you just don't know what you're talking about. Flashes could run on places where there was nothing to stand on numerous times, being in space is hardly an issue (see: Ace running to the past after a future was destroyed). That's also not mentioning that a Past Thawne would be able to prevent planetary destruction by erasing the would-be destroyer.
>And what's even more funny is that Goku Black was an actual immortal (as opposed to Thawne who is 100% mortal and dies repeatedly)
Lamayo. ZAMASU is immortal, Goku Black was a pseudo time geek who only survived for so long because another him from a different timeline would take his place. If anything, Thawne is the better immortal since his respawn time is basically instant.
>>136956091
So, you didn't even read the actual issue? Because before that panel Thawne is literally powerless since Barry just took his speed. You could've at least done like a bit of reading before hopping at the chance to make yourself look dumb.
Let me wrap this up though. Thawne had dozens of ways to kill Black even without brute force (Tossing him into the Negative Speedforce until he turned to dust, erasing him as a concept or just physically, removing his organs and so on) He could've brought a Goku from another time to kill GB, he could've brought him to the end of time. Black had no wincon.

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>>136956292
>Anyways I'm way too lazy to find the panels
Concession accepted.

I won't even finish the rest of your post. It's a complete waste to debate with people who refuse to post evidence.


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>>136956272
He simply could have instant transsmission'd out of Superman's grip.

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>>136956376
Anon, do you think you could concentrate if some dude was crushing your throat and windpipe?


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>>136954943
>Bendis has been wrong.
No he hasn't. Bendis is a writer. He defines the characters, their powers and their limits. If you think the writer is wrong about the characters he writes then you're by definition wrong.

>Bu-but this is a DB thread.
Don't give a shit. They're demonstrably wrong, and their Superman vs Goku threads have been debunked countless times already. The fact that they've failed to respond to any of these debunks means they've conceded.

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>>136955233
NTA but the thing with Marvel and DC comics characters is that they have been written by several people, so even if you want to take the word of a writer as gospel, you'll find contradicting statements. It's not the same case as other franchises like most mangas which are the work of a single author and they can elaborate their intentions.
So, when DB and most battleboard places analyze comicbook characters, they tend to follow specific continuities and pick their strongest feats.


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>>136955233
NTA but the thing with Marvel and DC comics characters is that they have been written by several people, so even if you want to take the word of a writer as gospel, you'll find contradicting statements. It's not the same case as other franchises like most mangas which are the work of a single author and they can elaborate their intentions.
So, when DB and most battleboard places analyze comicbook characters, they tend to follow specific continuities and pick their strongest feats.

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>>136956454
>So, when DB and most battleboard places analyze comicbook characters, they tend to follow specific continuities and pick their strongest feats.
That's the thing. They don't. They take out-of-context narration to then pretend that a city-busting feat is universe-busting (pic rel).

That's not taking the "strongest version" that's straight up lying.


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>>136956376
Anon, do you think you could concentrate if some dude was crushing your throat and windpipe?

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>>136956425
Me personally? Yeah, but I see your point. It was a fun fight, I just did not like the potrayal of Goku and Superman in GVS 2. Supermam felt like Injustice Superman for some reason.


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>>136956454
>So, when DB and most battleboard places analyze comicbook characters, they tend to follow specific continuities and pick their strongest feats.
That's the thing. They don't. They take out-of-context narration to then pretend that a city-busting feat is universe-busting (pic rel).

That's not taking the "strongest version" that's straight up lying.

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>>136956502
They do that for fucking everything. DC/Marvel aren't special for that.


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>>136956118
This is also something I'm wondering about.

Why is a multiverse necessarily more difficult to destroy than a universe. Because there have been instances (in Marvel and DC in particular) where the original universe (First Firmament and Positive Matter Universe) were more durable than the subsequent multiverse.

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>>136956351
The idea is that you have multiple universes instead of just the one... But not all universes are created equal. Compare our universe to the DC universe, which evidently expanded at rates of over a hundred thousand light years in a second, if I'm remembering the scan correctly. Adding to the confusion is, as >>136956370 mentions, timelines. What's more impressive, destroying a universe, or destroying a timeline? What does it mean if only one universe is interacted with, but multiple timelines/time shenanigans are brought into the equation?


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>>136956351
in the MCU a single timeline is multiversal since there are dormammu variants

guess it all depends on cosmology

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>>136956351
The idea is that you have multiple universes instead of just the one... But not all universes are created equal. Compare our universe to the DC universe, which evidently expanded at rates of over a hundred thousand light years in a second, if I'm remembering the scan correctly. Adding to the confusion is, as >>136956370 mentions, timelines. What's more impressive, destroying a universe, or destroying a timeline? What does it mean if only one universe is interacted with, but multiple timelines/time shenanigans are brought into the equation?


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>>136956502
They do that for fucking everything. DC/Marvel aren't special for that.

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>>136956604
First and foremost, no they don't. They're very selective in this process.

But even if you were it wouldn't matter, because they're literally lying and misrepresenting feats under the guise "high-end interpretation."

If I told you most Naruto character were casual universe buster because:

1. Sasuke destroy Orochimaru's universe.
2. Sasuke at the time was a genin.
3. Genin is the weakest rank of ninja.
4. The majority of ninjas are Chuunin.

You would call me out on my bullshit. Because Orochimaru's universe was a mental space created for a mind-transfer ritual, and not a physical universe. So my argument isn't a "high-end interpretation" it's a misinterpretation.

And it's exactly these kind of arguments DB pushes.


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>>136956351
The idea is that you have multiple universes instead of just the one... But not all universes are created equal. Compare our universe to the DC universe, which evidently expanded at rates of over a hundred thousand light years in a second, if I'm remembering the scan correctly. Adding to the confusion is, as >>136956370 mentions, timelines. What's more impressive, destroying a universe, or destroying a timeline? What does it mean if only one universe is interacted with, but multiple timelines/time shenanigans are brought into the equation?

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>>136956735
Why would a larger universe necessarily be more durable? If you're creating a false vacuum decay then size shouldn't matter, because it's a chain-reaction.


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>>136956292
>Anyways I'm way too lazy to find the panels
Concession accepted.

I won't even finish the rest of your post. It's a complete waste to debate with people who refuse to post evidence.

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>>136956396
>Is literally too afraid to even retort against the panels I DID share
>"C-c -concession accepted..."
Holy shit you're pathetic. Imagine getting BTFO'd so hard you immediately run away when presented with facts. Here's the panel btw, I await your inevitable groveling , faggot. I'll even throw in some extra stuff.
Here's Thawne amassing an entire timelines worth of Flash enemies
https://imgur.com/a/PEX5KOX
And here he is atomizing Cyborg.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Tales-from-the-Dark-Multiverse-Flashpoint/Full?id=178800#18


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>>136956118
This is also something I'm wondering about.

Why is a multiverse necessarily more difficult to destroy than a universe. Because there have been instances (in Marvel and DC in particular) where the original universe (First Firmament and Positive Matter Universe) were more durable than the subsequent multiverse.

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>>136956351
It isn't.

If you can frag one infinity, there's no reason you can't frag more.

It's a high-level redpill to realize that everything beyond universe level is conjectural and unquantifiable.

Your pic, if Swank cared, could be used to further up DC numbers since the multiverse was restored to 1 (max power) and then further grew while retaining that power. Meaning each universe of the current multiverse is as strong (if not stronger) than the original multiverse.

>>136956780
Most universes in fiction are assumed to be infinite. That DB puts a retarded power level to them based on size is on their own retardation.


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>>136956735
Why would a larger universe necessarily be more durable? If you're creating a false vacuum decay then size shouldn't matter, because it's a chain-reaction.

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>>136956351
It isn't.

If you can frag one infinity, there's no reason you can't frag more.

It's a high-level redpill to realize that everything beyond universe level is conjectural and unquantifiable.

Your pic, if Swank cared, could be used to further up DC numbers since the multiverse was restored to 1 (max power) and then further grew while retaining that power. Meaning each universe of the current multiverse is as strong (if not stronger) than the original multiverse.

>>136956780
Most universes in fiction are assumed to be infinite. That DB puts a retarded power level to them based on size is on their own retardation.


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>>136949005 (OP)
i have a question for you guys.
suppose 2 characters are fighting, character "A" and character "B".
now character A is omnipotent and i mean it literally. he actually is omnipotent.
while character B is beyond all concepts, including the concept of omnipotence.

between these 2 characters, who would win?

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>>136950766
Neither, its a stalemate. Infinity isn't a measurable feat/concept, that's the whole point of the term, so "infinity+1" is pointless, infinity is ALREADY infinity+1".


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>>136949005 (OP)
i have a question for you guys.
suppose 2 characters are fighting, character "A" and character "B".
now character A is omnipotent and i mean it literally. he actually is omnipotent.
while character B is beyond all concepts, including the concept of omnipotence.

between these 2 characters, who would win?

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>>136950766
The character I like more


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>>136956604
First and foremost, no they don't. They're very selective in this process.

But even if you were it wouldn't matter, because they're literally lying and misrepresenting feats under the guise "high-end interpretation."

If I told you most Naruto character were casual universe buster because:

1. Sasuke destroy Orochimaru's universe.
2. Sasuke at the time was a genin.
3. Genin is the weakest rank of ninja.
4. The majority of ninjas are Chuunin.

You would call me out on my bullshit. Because Orochimaru's universe was a mental space created for a mind-transfer ritual, and not a physical universe. So my argument isn't a "high-end interpretation" it's a misinterpretation.

And it's exactly these kind of arguments DB pushes.

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>>136956744
>They're very selective
Says the man combing through several decades of writer changes and depowerings to form his personal spank bank gallery of Superman low-ends.

Just post all the times he got his ass kicked under Byrne. I'm amazed you haven't posted him getting knocked out by the gas station explosion yet.


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>>136956396
>Is literally too afraid to even retort against the panels I DID share
>"C-c -concession accepted..."
Holy shit you're pathetic. Imagine getting BTFO'd so hard you immediately run away when presented with facts. Here's the panel btw, I await your inevitable groveling , faggot. I'll even throw in some extra stuff.
Here's Thawne amassing an entire timelines worth of Flash enemies
https://imgur.com/a/PEX5KOX
And here he is atomizing Cyborg.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Tales-from-the-Dark-Multiverse-Flashpoint/Full?id=178800#18

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>>136956791
Motherfucker you literally told me you refused to back up your claims with evidence. The debate is over. You lost.

If you want a salty runback start off by posting Thawne running in outer space like you said he could.

Oh right, Thawne never run on the vacuum of outer space. What a shame...GB blows up the planet, RV dies in space.

Now fuck off.


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>>136950766
Neither, its a stalemate. Infinity isn't a measurable feat/concept, that's the whole point of the term, so "infinity+1" is pointless, infinity is ALREADY infinity+1".

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>>136956858
There are theoretical mathematics where you can measure and compare infinities, but most of the time when someone mentions "infinity" they mean the character has unquantifiable power that is only bounded by something else unquantifiable. At a certain level, there are no numbers, only different qualities.

Why does cosmic embodiment X beat cosmic embodiment Y? It's not because X has (insert number here) an Y has (insert number here), it's because Y falls lower on the arbitrary cosmic hierarchy.

Why Is Nix Uotan stronger than every Monitor? Because. Why is the Phoenix stronger than Mephisto? Because. They could have put Phoenix under Mephisto without disrupting anything in the lore, they didn't because it all comes down to arbitrary distinctions of power.


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>>136956858
There are theoretical mathematics where you can measure and compare infinities, but most of the time when someone mentions "infinity" they mean the character has unquantifiable power that is only bounded by something else unquantifiable. At a certain level, there are no numbers, only different qualities.

Why does cosmic embodiment X beat cosmic embodiment Y? It's not because X has (insert number here) an Y has (insert number here), it's because Y falls lower on the arbitrary cosmic hierarchy.

Why Is Nix Uotan stronger than every Monitor? Because. Why is the Phoenix stronger than Mephisto? Because. They could have put Phoenix under Mephisto without disrupting anything in the lore, they didn't because it all comes down to arbitrary distinctions of power.

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>>136956957
There is liberation in the realization that it's all arbitrary. It's confusing even within individual franchises, and gets weirder when multiple franchises and their differing takes on infinities/cosmic hierarchies are brought into question. In the end, the highest level death battles are debates over linguistic expression.


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>>136956744
>They're very selective
Says the man combing through several decades of writer changes and depowerings to form his personal spank bank gallery of Superman low-ends.

Just post all the times he got his ass kicked under Byrne. I'm amazed you haven't posted him getting knocked out by the gas station explosion yet.

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>>136956880
At least I'm not lying. The feats I'm providing are 100% what I say they are, no context omission or misinterpretations.

And I don't even post feats exclusively from Bryne. I've covered pretty much every writer.

Want some Jurgens?

A blast equivalent to 1,000,000 nukes blast almost kills Superman.


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>>136956791
Motherfucker you literally told me you refused to back up your claims with evidence. The debate is over. You lost.

If you want a salty runback start off by posting Thawne running in outer space like you said he could.

Oh right, Thawne never run on the vacuum of outer space. What a shame...GB blows up the planet, RV dies in space.

Now fuck off.

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>>136956912
Ah, there's the groveling. You've yet to retort anything I've mentioned, by the way, you just keep goatsing yourself because you get off to it I think.
>The debate is over. You lost.
I did? Damn, that's so weird, I could've sworn that it was you who refused to post any panels that articulate your argument, I could've sworn that you were the one who was incapable of speaking back against anything I presented, and opted to literally run away because you knew you were making a fool of yourself. But no no, I lost because I got busy and couldn't search for the one specific panel I was referring to.
>If you want a salty runback start off by posting Thawne running in outer space like you said he could.
Are you illiterate, by any chance? Because I said Thawne and other Flashes, like Ace, could run through areas where there is literally no ground. A collapsed future timeline, the Speedforce, the Negative Speedforce, for example. But it's funny that you keep bringing up planetary destruction, as if Goku Black would be able to survive that since his body cannot handle space. Man, it's almost like you have no idea on what you're talking about.
Now, are you going to provide an actual counter-argument, or are you just going to keep posting random panels that do nothing to devalue what I'm saying? If it's the latter, then go and crawl back to whatever reddit forum you crawled out from.


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>>136956858
There are theoretical mathematics where you can measure and compare infinities, but most of the time when someone mentions "infinity" they mean the character has unquantifiable power that is only bounded by something else unquantifiable. At a certain level, there are no numbers, only different qualities.

Why does cosmic embodiment X beat cosmic embodiment Y? It's not because X has (insert number here) an Y has (insert number here), it's because Y falls lower on the arbitrary cosmic hierarchy.

Why Is Nix Uotan stronger than every Monitor? Because. Why is the Phoenix stronger than Mephisto? Because. They could have put Phoenix under Mephisto without disrupting anything in the lore, they didn't because it all comes down to arbitrary distinctions of power.

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>>136956957
Where are they getting these numbers from? Certainly not from the comics.

"Infinity" alone is a word that should be treated with skepticism because in most cases it's not even used literally. And I can promise you that if the powerscaling community dismissed all mentions of "infinity" as hyperbole the debates would be a lot more accurate.


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>>136949582
>Popeye
You should be the one named Wimpy and not your friend, baldy

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>>136949972
>Bobobo
I kneel...


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>>136956880
At least I'm not lying. The feats I'm providing are 100% what I say they are, no context omission or misinterpretations.

And I don't even post feats exclusively from Bryne. I've covered pretty much every writer.

Want some Jurgens?

A blast equivalent to 1,000,000 nukes blast almost kills Superman.

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>>136957021
>No context omission
You're posting pre Mogul Jr, pre Kal-L duel scans.

You're lying by excluding context.

You might as well post Sand Superman power-drain era feats. You might as well post 1940 scans.


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>>136956880
At least I'm not lying. The feats I'm providing are 100% what I say they are, no context omission or misinterpretations.

And I don't even post feats exclusively from Bryne. I've covered pretty much every writer.

Want some Jurgens?

A blast equivalent to 1,000,000 nukes blast almost kills Superman.

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>>136957021
>Zero Hour Superman
LMFAO. Come on, man.


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>>136956880
At least I'm not lying. The feats I'm providing are 100% what I say they are, no context omission or misinterpretations.

And I don't even post feats exclusively from Bryne. I've covered pretty much every writer.

Want some Jurgens?

A blast equivalent to 1,000,000 nukes blast almost kills Superman.

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>>136957021
>When you're so casual you don't know pre-crisis Superman was weak until relatively recently
VSBWtroons aren't sending their best.


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>>136956912
Ah, there's the groveling. You've yet to retort anything I've mentioned, by the way, you just keep goatsing yourself because you get off to it I think.
>The debate is over. You lost.
I did? Damn, that's so weird, I could've sworn that it was you who refused to post any panels that articulate your argument, I could've sworn that you were the one who was incapable of speaking back against anything I presented, and opted to literally run away because you knew you were making a fool of yourself. But no no, I lost because I got busy and couldn't search for the one specific panel I was referring to.
>If you want a salty runback start off by posting Thawne running in outer space like you said he could.
Are you illiterate, by any chance? Because I said Thawne and other Flashes, like Ace, could run through areas where there is literally no ground. A collapsed future timeline, the Speedforce, the Negative Speedforce, for example. But it's funny that you keep bringing up planetary destruction, as if Goku Black would be able to survive that since his body cannot handle space. Man, it's almost like you have no idea on what you're talking about.
Now, are you going to provide an actual counter-argument, or are you just going to keep posting random panels that do nothing to devalue what I'm saying? If it's the latter, then go and crawl back to whatever reddit forum you crawled out from.

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>>136957068
I'm not even reading your post. Show Thawne running in the vacuum of space.

Until you can produce that particular kind of evidence he dies he dies in the vacuum of space after Goku destroys the planet...well, technically he'd die in the explosion too but I'm going to be generous with you here.


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>>136957021
>No context omission
You're posting pre Mogul Jr, pre Kal-L duel scans.

You're lying by excluding context.

You might as well post Sand Superman power-drain era feats. You might as well post 1940 scans.

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>>136957085
>>136957126
You're both wrong, this is Hunter/Prey, read a fucking comic Otto you dumb wanker.


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>>136957021
>Zero Hour Superman
LMFAO. Come on, man.

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>>136957085
>>136957126
You're both wrong, this is Hunter/Prey, read a fucking comic Otto you dumb wanker.


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>>136949568
Vanilla Z is. Toei and Manga cap at at large mountain/island level. By absorbing all the world's photonic energy, he was able to produce a planet-sized explosion. Shin Mazinger Z came close to this with the Zeus Punch.

With Swank, you can get Infinity Z to multiverse level if you grossly misinterpret how it was able to counter the Goragon.

Mazinger Zero at max power is no-bullshit multiverse level. You don't even need to use Swank. He's likely the strongest super robot of all time. His on-page feats are greater than even Getter Emperor. Zero would curbstomp Goku.

Mazinkaiser is a very weird kettle of fish. He can either curbstomp Goku or get curbstomped based specifically on what you give him.

>>136951220
>>136951269
>>136951699
Mazinkaiser -started- as a SRW exclusive character who was later adapted into an OVA and then back to SRW.

>>136951754
The Alpha version 1v1'ed Zero and the Infinitism version implied all Mazinkaisers are the same entity travelling the multiverse in response to Koji's wishes. It also absorbed -all the photonic power in the multiverse-.

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>>136955215
Mazinkaiser’s feats don’t really hold up to those claims, it got pushed around for a bit by Hell King Gordon and briefly struggled against the General of Darkness in the OVA’s, if it’s the same robot every single time then it’s nowhere close to being able to throw down with Goku.


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>>136957068
I'm not even reading your post. Show Thawne running in the vacuum of space.

Until you can produce that particular kind of evidence he dies he dies in the vacuum of space after Goku destroys the planet...well, technically he'd die in the explosion too but I'm going to be generous with you here.

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>>136957165
>He chose the latter
We're done here then. See yourself out.


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>>136957021
>When you're so casual you don't know pre-crisis Superman was weak until relatively recently
VSBWtroons aren't sending their best.

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>>136957148
>Pre-crisis was made weak just recently
>just recently
This is why you don't do drugs kids.


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>>136957165
>He chose the latter
We're done here then. See yourself out.

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>>136957267
1. That's the Flash.
2. The moon isn't outer-space.

That's 2 fails. But I'm generous so I'll give you another go. Try again.


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>>136957085
>>136957126
You're both wrong, this is Hunter/Prey, read a fucking comic Otto you dumb wanker.

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>>136957197
>Hunter/Prey
So 1994. Only 8 years after the MOS reboot and the drastic reduction of Superman's powers as a purposeful, well-publicized decision by Byrne.

7 years before OWAW and "Lol you have mental blocks stopping your power." 12 years before Superman fights with Kal-L.

"Pre is strong, Post is weak" applied for a long, long time after COIE. It was such a well-known vs battle thing DB talked about it in the first Superman vs Goku.

And yet here you are acting like 1994 Superman wasn't a Superman slapped down by a power level nerf. Pathetic.


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>>136955215
Mazinkaiser’s feats don’t really hold up to those claims, it got pushed around for a bit by Hell King Gordon and briefly struggled against the General of Darkness in the OVA’s, if it’s the same robot every single time then it’s nowhere close to being able to throw down with Goku.

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>>136957206
The OVA version might not be counted as the "true" Mazinkaiser, and frankly, there's a lot of inconsistent bullshit if they are meant to be the same mech. The classic timeline one for instance was just Z pumped up on Getter rays. How could it possibly be the same as the Infinitism version, which Koji said he created in the future?


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>>136957206
The OVA version might not be counted as the "true" Mazinkaiser, and frankly, there's a lot of inconsistent bullshit if they are meant to be the same mech. The classic timeline one for instance was just Z pumped up on Getter rays. How could it possibly be the same as the Infinitism version, which Koji said he created in the future?

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>>136957347
To keep things simple:

>Infinitism
One of the big Mazinkaisers. Scales to Zero. Is born from the Mazin, the primal source of Mazingers, including Zero, absorbed all the photon power in the multiverse to stop Dr. Hell from respawning through the multiverse.

>Alpha
Strongly implied to (somehow) be the same as Infinitism, though it is never outright stated. Travels the multiverse to help Kojis. Scales to Zero. Literally the Mazinkaiser from the Alpha games but it jumped universes to help out in SRW X.

>OVA. Classic, OVA SRW adaptations
???


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>>136957197
>Hunter/Prey
So 1994. Only 8 years after the MOS reboot and the drastic reduction of Superman's powers as a purposeful, well-publicized decision by Byrne.

7 years before OWAW and "Lol you have mental blocks stopping your power." 12 years before Superman fights with Kal-L.

"Pre is strong, Post is weak" applied for a long, long time after COIE. It was such a well-known vs battle thing DB talked about it in the first Superman vs Goku.

And yet here you are acting like 1994 Superman wasn't a Superman slapped down by a power level nerf. Pathetic.

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>>136957328
>So 1994.
Right. You got the comic wrong and you accused me of lying. In other words you're a piece of shit who shouldn't even be debating because you're openly lying about what you know and don't know.

And characters claiming to hold back means jack shit. A kid won't be able to punch out Mike Tyson because he's holding back.

1 million nukes = enough to kill Superman. That's not even a sizable fraction of the energies early DB characters can put out.


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>>136957328
>So 1994.
Right. You got the comic wrong and you accused me of lying. In other words you're a piece of shit who shouldn't even be debating because you're openly lying about what you know and don't know.

And characters claiming to hold back means jack shit. A kid won't be able to punch out Mike Tyson because he's holding back.

1 million nukes = enough to kill Superman. That's not even a sizable fraction of the energies early DB characters can put out.

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>>136957431
>You got the comic wrong.
I didn't.

1994 is a long way from OWAW and the Mongul Jr shit that just -started- the return of Superman to pre-crisis levels.

>characters holding back means jack shit
In the case of the Mogul Jr. mental blocks, it was used as a justification of why Superman was gasoline station level weenie compared to his OWAW feats. Yes, it was stupid.

The point is, you're taking Superman at one of his weakest (within spitting distance of Byrne MOS) and acting like that's at all relevant to vs battle discussions. No shit Superman was a scrub immediately following Crisis on Infinite Earths. Pre-crisis and Post-crisis Superman were treated as characters with vastly different power levels for the longest.


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>>136957267
1. That's the Flash.
2. The moon isn't outer-space.

That's 2 fails. But I'm generous so I'll give you another go. Try again.

[Assistant]
>>136957321
>The moon isn't outer-space

I think I'm going to need some elaboration on that one.


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>>136957431
>You got the comic wrong.
I didn't.

1994 is a long way from OWAW and the Mongul Jr shit that just -started- the return of Superman to pre-crisis levels.

>characters holding back means jack shit
In the case of the Mogul Jr. mental blocks, it was used as a justification of why Superman was gasoline station level weenie compared to his OWAW feats. Yes, it was stupid.

The point is, you're taking Superman at one of his weakest (within spitting distance of Byrne MOS) and acting like that's at all relevant to vs battle discussions. No shit Superman was a scrub immediately following Crisis on Infinite Earths. Pre-crisis and Post-crisis Superman were treated as characters with vastly different power levels for the longest.

[Assistant]
>>136957485
>1994 is a long way from OWAW and the Mongul Jr shit that just -started- the return of Superman to pre-crisis levels.
Okay, show me a recent feat of Superman moving a star with his breath or sneezing away a solar system...oh right, he doesn't have any recent feats like that.

>>136957743
He told me that Reverse Flash can run in the vacuum of outer space (this was a crucial part of his argument) I told him to prove it.

He posts a scan of the Flash running on a moon (to be fair it was across multiple moons connected with tunnels, picrel) but no space running.


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>>136957321
>The moon isn't outer-space

I think I'm going to need some elaboration on that one.

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>>136957485
>1994 is a long way from OWAW and the Mongul Jr shit that just -started- the return of Superman to pre-crisis levels.
Okay, show me a recent feat of Superman moving a star with his breath or sneezing away a solar system...oh right, he doesn't have any recent feats like that.

>>136957743
He told me that Reverse Flash can run in the vacuum of outer space (this was a crucial part of his argument) I told him to prove it.

He posts a scan of the Flash running on a moon (to be fair it was across multiple moons connected with tunnels, picrel) but no space running.


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[User] >Yet another thread of Zfags and DCfags being retarded

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>>136957406
Cry about it. It's the only fight that matters.


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Superfags and DBZfags shitting up another DB thread.

This is why I keep telling you people to keep these fucking characters out of these threads. Let them vent on reddit.

[Assistant]
>>136957954
Superman vs Goku is THE Death Battle. Now fuck off troon.


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[User] Can most Homestuck characters solo dragon ball super?

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>>136958094
>Most
No, but the upper tiers thrash em and it depends on who you use given the power differences.


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Ballot Banter #20
>Tharia VS Pyyhra - They seem to like it. They enjoy the dynamic of RWBY's magic system and the olympic god powers of Percy Jackson
>Ghost Rider VS Devilman - One of them doesnt like Devilman Crybaby, but they think Devilman has neat powers amd that he could be interesting to use in the show. They mentioned Ghost Rider VS Spawn
>Lord Hater VS Fantos - They know nothing about Fantos or Kid Cosmic and only have slight knowledge on Hater. Despite that, they said that Fantos could have some fun animatiom potential
>Palutena VS Yukari - They know nothing about Touhou. They mention people believing them to have tons of takes on Touhou scaling when they dont. They gas up Uprising again, but one of them calls it a 6/10 game
>Wei VS Kiryu - They love it. They think Sleeping Dogs is underrated. They believe Kiryu wins, but one of them brings up the Yakuza 7 dream sequences.
>Juniper Lee VS Jackie Chan - They know nothing about Juniper Lee. They say that using Jackie Chan would be funny.
>Aang VS BOTW Link - One of them believes that Aang stomps, but the rest think Link does. They talk about the new stuff Link is getting in TOTK
>Gohan VS Invincible - They seem neutral on it. One of them mentions Alternate Universe Trunks VS Invincible, but they say its probably still a stomp. They mentioned talking about doing Invincible vs an Ultraman character, or a battle royal with Superboy, Gohan, and Invincible
>Finn and Jake VS Mordecai and Rigby - They really like it. Not much to add.
>Celestial VS Flowey - They know nothing about Celestial or their franchise, but they like Flowey.
>Loki VS The Watcher - They mention a MU with The Master VS Kang the Konquerer. They mention doing a planning/intelligence based MU would be interesting.
>Kira VS Adachi - They like it. They mention that a Persona VS Stand battle is kind of inevitable.
>Ellie VS Clementine- They like it. They go on to talk about the Walking Dead and I think one of them mentioned Ellie winning

[Assistant]
>>136958064
>or a battle royal with Superboy, Gohan, and Invincible


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>>136958094
>Most
No, but the upper tiers thrash em and it depends on who you use given the power differences.

[Assistant]
>>136958157
Okay let's say for example John Egbert and his ability to retcon and shit would he be able to like win?


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>>136958157
Okay let's say for example John Egbert and his ability to retcon and shit would he be able to like win?

[Assistant]
>>136958259
Potentially in a general view (intangibility helps). Absolutely given general powerfag logic of keeping up with Jack and the implications of The Furthest Ring in regards to speed and such when following such logic. Plus y'know "I just retcon Goku out of the story and fuck what it means because it makes it hard canon"


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>>136956272
teleport into namek and absorbing spirit bomb

superman cannot feel energy

[Assistant]
>>136956308
Spirit Bomb on works on beings with evil in their hearts Superman won't even be phased by it.