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>Swan thought Ben was going with Rainbow Rocket
>Swan brings up Exdeath vs Swamp Thing again, still thinks ST wins
>Swan says BT has a bunch of RPG stuff which includes reflecting attacks, time stop, healing, bypassing reflect abilities, instant death abilities, stat and status ailments, removing buffs, scanning, mental attack resistance, ice attacks that exploit RQ's pokemon weaknesses
>Ben going with the unusual arguing path of RQ not being very strategic, sort of tries to argue that RQ has innate abilities that invalidate an opponent's technical fighting approach, that RQ Mega evolves and blasts with hyper beam
>Ben pulls a Swan, claims Pokemon has an infinitely expanding multiverse, Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
>Short argument about infinity
>Ben goes on tangent about how Mega Rayquaza was banned from competitive Pokemon, some RPG discussion occurs with Swan stating Seph's Supernova meteor is 20 trillion FTL and that FF magic warps magic at subatomic level
>Ben goes on a tortured scaling change to link RQ to universe level Necrozma
>Swan points out you can fight and beat someone that uses timestop even if you can't resist it
>Swan points out even if you're extremely generous and say that RQ and BT are equal statistically, that BT has far more options, Ben's weird counter is that RQ's weather control lets him shrug off reality warping hax
>BT's community answer points out that FF14's BT causes a continuity reboot, RQ's community answer makes the baffling claim that RQ can kill BT with radiation
>Josh suggests if they do this fight it be turn-based
>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
>Ben bemoans the lack of dragon-focused Death Battle suggestions that don't end in the universe exploding, Swan notes that Ghidorah vs Deathwing is far below RQ vs BT in terms of power
>RQ wins 3-1

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>>136995396
>Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
Swan go back to school


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>>136995396
>Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
Swan go back to school

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>>136995533
I mean he's technically not wrong, infinitely expanding just means it's growing infinitely, you can hypothetically make it to the end of an infinitely expanding universe but you can't make it to the end of an infinite universe


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Notes on the latest podcast:
>Rayquaza vs Bahamut has been requested quite a bit, but there are questions about how it would work especially from Bahamut's side
>Ben arguing for Rayquaza, Swan for Bahamut
>Ben's opening statement is that RQ is one of the most powerful Pokemon to ever exist
>Swan's opening statement is a joke with a picture of the biblical BT, ends with a statement that even un-composited BT is way more powerful and has way more hax and resistances
>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite, just has been moulded to fit the setting but FF's magic system is the same among all of its universe
>FF1 doesn't do anything and is not included in the composite, but 3,4,5,6, base 7,8,9,10, and maybe 14 are along with some side material
>Ben says that this match is somewhat likely because of how often it is requested
>Swan says that at worst, they'd use FF5 alone
>Ben says RQ is the only Pokemon that can mega evolve by himself as he is a living mega stone
>Ben says RQ scales to fighting Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in the Hoopa movie, and Dialga fighting Palkia can affect the multiverse but Mega RQ can solo them
>Swan says since Gilgamesh travels between different FF universes you can scale BT to nearly anything in these games, in FF5 Neo Exdeath merges with the Void which exists across the infinite FF multiverse, and BT is higher RPG level than him, has infinite strength and speed
>Chad was not aware BT was multiversal, was in stunned silence

[Assistant]
>>136995378
>BT is higher RPG level than him, has infinite strength and speed
Pretty sure Bahamut is weaker than even Tree Exdeath.


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>>136995378
>BT is higher RPG level than him, has infinite strength and speed
Pretty sure Bahamut is weaker than even Tree Exdeath.

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>>136995617
Swan's argument seemed predicated on Bahamut being a secret superboss.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Bahamut_(Final_Fantasy_V_boss)#Stats
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Exdeath_(boss)#Stats
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Exdeath_(tree_form)#Stats
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Neo_Exdeath_(Final_Fantasy_V)#Stats
This is an incredibly stupid way to do things, but no more or less than Ben pointing out Mega Rayquaza being banned in competitive pokemon.


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>Swan thought Ben was going with Rainbow Rocket
>Swan brings up Exdeath vs Swamp Thing again, still thinks ST wins
>Swan says BT has a bunch of RPG stuff which includes reflecting attacks, time stop, healing, bypassing reflect abilities, instant death abilities, stat and status ailments, removing buffs, scanning, mental attack resistance, ice attacks that exploit RQ's pokemon weaknesses
>Ben going with the unusual arguing path of RQ not being very strategic, sort of tries to argue that RQ has innate abilities that invalidate an opponent's technical fighting approach, that RQ Mega evolves and blasts with hyper beam
>Ben pulls a Swan, claims Pokemon has an infinitely expanding multiverse, Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
>Short argument about infinity
>Ben goes on tangent about how Mega Rayquaza was banned from competitive Pokemon, some RPG discussion occurs with Swan stating Seph's Supernova meteor is 20 trillion FTL and that FF magic warps magic at subatomic level
>Ben goes on a tortured scaling change to link RQ to universe level Necrozma
>Swan points out you can fight and beat someone that uses timestop even if you can't resist it
>Swan points out even if you're extremely generous and say that RQ and BT are equal statistically, that BT has far more options, Ben's weird counter is that RQ's weather control lets him shrug off reality warping hax
>BT's community answer points out that FF14's BT causes a continuity reboot, RQ's community answer makes the baffling claim that RQ can kill BT with radiation
>Josh suggests if they do this fight it be turn-based
>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
>Ben bemoans the lack of dragon-focused Death Battle suggestions that don't end in the universe exploding, Swan notes that Ghidorah vs Deathwing is far below RQ vs BT in terms of power
>RQ wins 3-1

[Assistant]
>>136995396
>Bahamut stronger than Void Exdeath
What the fuck? Even under retard power scaling logic this makes no sense.


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>>136995617
Swan's argument seemed predicated on Bahamut being a secret superboss.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Bahamut_(Final_Fantasy_V_boss)#Stats
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Exdeath_(boss)#Stats
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Exdeath_(tree_form)#Stats
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Neo_Exdeath_(Final_Fantasy_V)#Stats
This is an incredibly stupid way to do things, but no more or less than Ben pointing out Mega Rayquaza being banned in competitive pokemon.

[Assistant]
>>136995740
Bahamut is an optional boss, but he's in no way a superboss. Omega and Shinryu are the superbosses.


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Notes on the latest podcast:
>Rayquaza vs Bahamut has been requested quite a bit, but there are questions about how it would work especially from Bahamut's side
>Ben arguing for Rayquaza, Swan for Bahamut
>Ben's opening statement is that RQ is one of the most powerful Pokemon to ever exist
>Swan's opening statement is a joke with a picture of the biblical BT, ends with a statement that even un-composited BT is way more powerful and has way more hax and resistances
>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite, just has been moulded to fit the setting but FF's magic system is the same among all of its universe
>FF1 doesn't do anything and is not included in the composite, but 3,4,5,6, base 7,8,9,10, and maybe 14 are along with some side material
>Ben says that this match is somewhat likely because of how often it is requested
>Swan says that at worst, they'd use FF5 alone
>Ben says RQ is the only Pokemon that can mega evolve by himself as he is a living mega stone
>Ben says RQ scales to fighting Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in the Hoopa movie, and Dialga fighting Palkia can affect the multiverse but Mega RQ can solo them
>Swan says since Gilgamesh travels between different FF universes you can scale BT to nearly anything in these games, in FF5 Neo Exdeath merges with the Void which exists across the infinite FF multiverse, and BT is higher RPG level than him, has infinite strength and speed
>Chad was not aware BT was multiversal, was in stunned silence

[Assistant]
>>136995378
>>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite
Absolutely retarded. Compositing FF Summons is ridiculous. Fro example, Alexander is like city level in some games, country level in FF Type 0 and a reality altering god in FF14.


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>>136994880
let me put this into perspective for you. you can probably tell the Earth apart from Jupiter in this image. that relatively minuscule grey dot next to the Earth is our Moon. bottom image is what Saitama did to Jupiter. Saitama isn't struggling to compete with Roshi, he grossly outperformed him and established himself as a late Namek tier fighter at the very least

[Assistant]
>>136995329
Christ the detail on this one


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Notes on the latest podcast:
>Rayquaza vs Bahamut has been requested quite a bit, but there are questions about how it would work especially from Bahamut's side
>Ben arguing for Rayquaza, Swan for Bahamut
>Ben's opening statement is that RQ is one of the most powerful Pokemon to ever exist
>Swan's opening statement is a joke with a picture of the biblical BT, ends with a statement that even un-composited BT is way more powerful and has way more hax and resistances
>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite, just has been moulded to fit the setting but FF's magic system is the same among all of its universe
>FF1 doesn't do anything and is not included in the composite, but 3,4,5,6, base 7,8,9,10, and maybe 14 are along with some side material
>Ben says that this match is somewhat likely because of how often it is requested
>Swan says that at worst, they'd use FF5 alone
>Ben says RQ is the only Pokemon that can mega evolve by himself as he is a living mega stone
>Ben says RQ scales to fighting Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in the Hoopa movie, and Dialga fighting Palkia can affect the multiverse but Mega RQ can solo them
>Swan says since Gilgamesh travels between different FF universes you can scale BT to nearly anything in these games, in FF5 Neo Exdeath merges with the Void which exists across the infinite FF multiverse, and BT is higher RPG level than him, has infinite strength and speed
>Chad was not aware BT was multiversal, was in stunned silence

[Assistant]
>>136995378
>>136995396
Damn, retards on both sides. Nether Rayquaza or Bahamut scale to their universes higher tier beings outside of irrelevant gameplay scaling.
Yes, Rayqauza is one of the most powerful Pokemon. But it's planet tier at best. The creation Trio almost destroy the UNIVERSE in their games. Do I have to explain the difference in scale between out planet and our universe?


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>Swan thought Ben was going with Rainbow Rocket
>Swan brings up Exdeath vs Swamp Thing again, still thinks ST wins
>Swan says BT has a bunch of RPG stuff which includes reflecting attacks, time stop, healing, bypassing reflect abilities, instant death abilities, stat and status ailments, removing buffs, scanning, mental attack resistance, ice attacks that exploit RQ's pokemon weaknesses
>Ben going with the unusual arguing path of RQ not being very strategic, sort of tries to argue that RQ has innate abilities that invalidate an opponent's technical fighting approach, that RQ Mega evolves and blasts with hyper beam
>Ben pulls a Swan, claims Pokemon has an infinitely expanding multiverse, Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
>Short argument about infinity
>Ben goes on tangent about how Mega Rayquaza was banned from competitive Pokemon, some RPG discussion occurs with Swan stating Seph's Supernova meteor is 20 trillion FTL and that FF magic warps magic at subatomic level
>Ben goes on a tortured scaling change to link RQ to universe level Necrozma
>Swan points out you can fight and beat someone that uses timestop even if you can't resist it
>Swan points out even if you're extremely generous and say that RQ and BT are equal statistically, that BT has far more options, Ben's weird counter is that RQ's weather control lets him shrug off reality warping hax
>BT's community answer points out that FF14's BT causes a continuity reboot, RQ's community answer makes the baffling claim that RQ can kill BT with radiation
>Josh suggests if they do this fight it be turn-based
>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
>Ben bemoans the lack of dragon-focused Death Battle suggestions that don't end in the universe exploding, Swan notes that Ghidorah vs Deathwing is far below RQ vs BT in terms of power
>RQ wins 3-1

[Assistant]
>>136995378
>>136995396
Damn, retards on both sides. Nether Rayquaza or Bahamut scale to their universes higher tier beings outside of irrelevant gameplay scaling.
Yes, Rayqauza is one of the most powerful Pokemon. But it's planet tier at best. The creation Trio almost destroy the UNIVERSE in their games. Do I have to explain the difference in scale between out planet and our universe?


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>>136995396
>Bahamut stronger than Void Exdeath
What the fuck? Even under retard power scaling logic this makes no sense.

[Assistant]
>>136995822
RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
>>136995824
On further investigation, you're right. Damn, Swan continues to lie.
>>136995833
It didn't seem to be a matter of power levels, but a matter of "is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".


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>>136995740
Bahamut is an optional boss, but he's in no way a superboss. Omega and Shinryu are the superbosses.

[Assistant]
>>136995822
RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
>>136995824
On further investigation, you're right. Damn, Swan continues to lie.
>>136995833
It didn't seem to be a matter of power levels, but a matter of "is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".


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>>136995378
>>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite
Absolutely retarded. Compositing FF Summons is ridiculous. Fro example, Alexander is like city level in some games, country level in FF Type 0 and a reality altering god in FF14.

[Assistant]
>>136995822
RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
>>136995824
On further investigation, you're right. Damn, Swan continues to lie.
>>136995833
It didn't seem to be a matter of power levels, but a matter of "is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".


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>>136995822
RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
>>136995824
On further investigation, you're right. Damn, Swan continues to lie.
>>136995833
It didn't seem to be a matter of power levels, but a matter of "is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".

[Assistant]
>>136995920
>"is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".
And the answer is no.


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>>136995378
>>136995396
Damn, retards on both sides. Nether Rayquaza or Bahamut scale to their universes higher tier beings outside of irrelevant gameplay scaling.
Yes, Rayqauza is one of the most powerful Pokemon. But it's planet tier at best. The creation Trio almost destroy the UNIVERSE in their games. Do I have to explain the difference in scale between out planet and our universe?

[Assistant]
>>136995919
Ben's basis for scaling Mega Rayquaza to the creation trio appears to have been the Hoopa movie. I've never seen the Hoopa movie, but another anon has remarked that this was a terrible idea.


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>>136995378
>>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite
Absolutely retarded. Compositing FF Summons is ridiculous. Fro example, Alexander is like city level in some games, country level in FF Type 0 and a reality altering god in FF14.

[Assistant]
>>136995833
They're also fundamentally different. Odin in 3 is the ghost of a dead king. Odin in 6 is an eidolon.

 >>136995920
Oh. NOW we can use RPG math.

Swank gets progressively more and more retarded

So how powerful is generic 1 damage gobin scrub if it can do 1/9999th the damage of Bahamut?


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>>136995822
RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
>>136995824
On further investigation, you're right. Damn, Swan continues to lie.
>>136995833
It didn't seem to be a matter of power levels, but a matter of "is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".

[Assistant]
>>136995833
They're also fundamentally different. Odin in 3 is the ghost of a dead king. Odin in 6 is an eidolon.

 >>136995920
Oh. NOW we can use RPG math.

Swank gets progressively more and more retarded

So how powerful is generic 1 damage gobin scrub if it can do 1/9999th the damage of Bahamut?


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>>136995920
>"is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".
And the answer is no.

[Assistant]
>>136995945
Swan's threshold was pretty low, admittedly. "big dragon that does magic" seems to have been the only requirements he needed to say Bahamut was the same across incarnations.


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>>136995822
RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
>>136995824
On further investigation, you're right. Damn, Swan continues to lie.
>>136995833
It didn't seem to be a matter of power levels, but a matter of "is this thing story-wise similar enough to the other incarnations".

[Assistant]
>>136995920
>RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
That shit's really dumb for FF, because you got shit like Ruby Weapoin which eclipses Sephiroth in power when it comes to game mechanics, but obviously wasn't strong enough to stop him in story or it would have just stopped Sephiroth, the main threat to the planet, itself.


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>>136995920
>RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
That shit's really dumb for FF, because you got shit like Ruby Weapoin which eclipses Sephiroth in power when it comes to game mechanics, but obviously wasn't strong enough to stop him in story or it would have just stopped Sephiroth, the main threat to the planet, itself.

[Assistant]
>>136996014
It's also retarded just on simple logic.

It means anything that can do even the smallest fraction of the damage of a character is a fraction of an "infinite multiverse buster."

1/99999th of Bahamut is what, several universes?


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>>136995919
Ben's basis for scaling Mega Rayquaza to the creation trio appears to have been the Hoopa movie. I've never seen the Hoopa movie, but another anon has remarked that this was a terrible idea.

[Assistant]
>>136995953
Most that movie is just Hoopa treating other legendaries as toys in a toybox. Most the fights aren't conclusive themselves and only really serve to establish Hoopa as having a ridiculous amount of control and power, while simultaneously being firmly below Acrceus (who actually seems more in line with the lore version of Arceus than the Arceus in the actual Arceus movie).
Hoopa probably wasn't mind controlling the legendary trio with the intent of resetting the universe like they were about to do at the end of D/P/PLA (and apparently succeeded in doing in RR Cyrus' home universe). It would have ended his game too soon.


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>>136995920
>RPG levels seems to have been his basis.
That shit's really dumb for FF, because you got shit like Ruby Weapoin which eclipses Sephiroth in power when it comes to game mechanics, but obviously wasn't strong enough to stop him in story or it would have just stopped Sephiroth, the main threat to the planet, itself.

[Assistant]
>>136996014
Which is why I noted it was a terrible idea.


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>>136994454
doesn't Vsbw also have Dante on that tier 1 shit?

[Assistant]
>>136994509
yeah, but nobody with a brain and common sense actually buys it
guy isn't even planetary across more than 5 games


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>>136995533
I mean he's technically not wrong, infinitely expanding just means it's growing infinitely, you can hypothetically make it to the end of an infinitely expanding universe but you can't make it to the end of an infinite universe

[Assistant]
>>136995612
Something infinite can be infinitely expanding, hell, even several observations of our universe, like the fact it has a flat curvature suggest it's infinite, and we know it's expanding.
Natural numbers are infinite, I think we all agree that's a fact, but rational and irrational numbers also exist and they're infinite as well, you can make a numerical succession that adds 0.5 each time, and then another one that adds 0.25, and so on. You would then have an infinite numerical succession that's infinitely growing.
Swan it's implying here that an universe that's expanding it's by concept not infinite, and that's just absolutely false.


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>>136995953
Most that movie is just Hoopa treating other legendaries as toys in a toybox. Most the fights aren't conclusive themselves and only really serve to establish Hoopa as having a ridiculous amount of control and power, while simultaneously being firmly below Acrceus (who actually seems more in line with the lore version of Arceus than the Arceus in the actual Arceus movie).
Hoopa probably wasn't mind controlling the legendary trio with the intent of resetting the universe like they were about to do at the end of D/P/PLA (and apparently succeeded in doing in RR Cyrus' home universe). It would have ended his game too soon.

[Assistant]
>>136996150
Also worth noting that this movie is pretty ridiculous because it pretty much depicts Hoopa as second only to god (Arceus). This is surprising because no other fiction really implies it's anywhere near this powerful. But it indeed has the creation trio, and a version of Kyrurem that has apparently absorbed both Zekrom and Reshiram (implying it's the completed dragon) under it's control. People into Pokemon lore really don't car for this movie.


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>>136995833
They're also fundamentally different. Odin in 3 is the ghost of a dead king. Odin in 6 is an eidolon.

 >>136995920
Oh. NOW we can use RPG math.

Swank gets progressively more and more retarded

So how powerful is generic 1 damage gobin scrub if it can do 1/9999th the damage of Bahamut?

[Assistant]
>>136995971
They used it back then in S5 to calc Sephiroth strength


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>Swan thought Ben was going with Rainbow Rocket
>Swan brings up Exdeath vs Swamp Thing again, still thinks ST wins
>Swan says BT has a bunch of RPG stuff which includes reflecting attacks, time stop, healing, bypassing reflect abilities, instant death abilities, stat and status ailments, removing buffs, scanning, mental attack resistance, ice attacks that exploit RQ's pokemon weaknesses
>Ben going with the unusual arguing path of RQ not being very strategic, sort of tries to argue that RQ has innate abilities that invalidate an opponent's technical fighting approach, that RQ Mega evolves and blasts with hyper beam
>Ben pulls a Swan, claims Pokemon has an infinitely expanding multiverse, Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
>Short argument about infinity
>Ben goes on tangent about how Mega Rayquaza was banned from competitive Pokemon, some RPG discussion occurs with Swan stating Seph's Supernova meteor is 20 trillion FTL and that FF magic warps magic at subatomic level
>Ben goes on a tortured scaling change to link RQ to universe level Necrozma
>Swan points out you can fight and beat someone that uses timestop even if you can't resist it
>Swan points out even if you're extremely generous and say that RQ and BT are equal statistically, that BT has far more options, Ben's weird counter is that RQ's weather control lets him shrug off reality warping hax
>BT's community answer points out that FF14's BT causes a continuity reboot, RQ's community answer makes the baffling claim that RQ can kill BT with radiation
>Josh suggests if they do this fight it be turn-based
>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
>Ben bemoans the lack of dragon-focused Death Battle suggestions that don't end in the universe exploding, Swan notes that Ghidorah vs Deathwing is far below RQ vs BT in terms of power
>RQ wins 3-1

[Assistant]
>>136995396
>>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
Haha what a retard for not realizing a character that shouldn't be composited would get absurd scaling if someone decided to pretend he should be composited.


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>>136995396
>>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
Haha what a retard for not realizing a character that shouldn't be composited would get absurd scaling if someone decided to pretend he should be composited.

[Assistant]
>>136996432
That's generally the case, though. Composites make monsters that barely resemble anything most would identify as the character in question. You would figure Chad paid enough attention over the course of a decade to his work to notice that.


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>>136994633
You know...that wouldn't be too bad.
But Unicron vs Galactus needs to happen.

[Assistant]
>>136994680
It doesn't need to happen. We all know Galactus completely turbostomps because of how absurd DB has gotten with Marvel scaling


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>>136995833
They're also fundamentally different. Odin in 3 is the ghost of a dead king. Odin in 6 is an eidolon.

 >>136995920
Oh. NOW we can use RPG math.

Swank gets progressively more and more retarded

So how powerful is generic 1 damage gobin scrub if it can do 1/9999th the damage of Bahamut?

[Assistant]
>>136995971
They've always used RPG math, though. Particularly for Final Fantasy. Still an awful idea unless it's literally all you have for a character, like using fighting game animations.


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>>136994680
It doesn't need to happen. We all know Galactus completely turbostomps because of how absurd DB has gotten with Marvel scaling

[Assistant]
>>136996614
Underestimating True Form Unicron here.
He and True Form Primus created the entire TF Multiverse in their fight.


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>>136996614
Underestimating True Form Unicron here.
He and True Form Primus created the entire TF Multiverse in their fight.

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>>136996632
Who gives a shit, that's still not going to be enough to even remotely challenge Galactus


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>>136994680
It doesn't need to happen. We all know Galactus completely turbostomps because of how absurd DB has gotten with Marvel scaling

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>>136996614
Speak for yourself. Unicron actually might have the edge in that matchup. He has similar wacky multiversal sheananigans combined with the nature of his power. That and if Galactus tries "eating" him then he gets fucked by dark energon as he has been vulnerable to such things before


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>>136996614
Underestimating True Form Unicron here.
He and True Form Primus created the entire TF Multiverse in their fight.

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>>136996632
no the Transformers multiverse was created after Unicron consumed nearly all of the previous one and the small pieces of that multiverse became the current multiverse and then Unicron was split by The One to create Primus


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Notes on the latest podcast:
>Rayquaza vs Bahamut has been requested quite a bit, but there are questions about how it would work especially from Bahamut's side
>Ben arguing for Rayquaza, Swan for Bahamut
>Ben's opening statement is that RQ is one of the most powerful Pokemon to ever exist
>Swan's opening statement is a joke with a picture of the biblical BT, ends with a statement that even un-composited BT is way more powerful and has way more hax and resistances
>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite, just has been moulded to fit the setting but FF's magic system is the same among all of its universe
>FF1 doesn't do anything and is not included in the composite, but 3,4,5,6, base 7,8,9,10, and maybe 14 are along with some side material
>Ben says that this match is somewhat likely because of how often it is requested
>Swan says that at worst, they'd use FF5 alone
>Ben says RQ is the only Pokemon that can mega evolve by himself as he is a living mega stone
>Ben says RQ scales to fighting Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in the Hoopa movie, and Dialga fighting Palkia can affect the multiverse but Mega RQ can solo them
>Swan says since Gilgamesh travels between different FF universes you can scale BT to nearly anything in these games, in FF5 Neo Exdeath merges with the Void which exists across the infinite FF multiverse, and BT is higher RPG level than him, has infinite strength and speed
>Chad was not aware BT was multiversal, was in stunned silence

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>>136995378
>>136995396
Baffling arguments from both sides, seems like they can't control their autism even when there's no need


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>Swan thought Ben was going with Rainbow Rocket
>Swan brings up Exdeath vs Swamp Thing again, still thinks ST wins
>Swan says BT has a bunch of RPG stuff which includes reflecting attacks, time stop, healing, bypassing reflect abilities, instant death abilities, stat and status ailments, removing buffs, scanning, mental attack resistance, ice attacks that exploit RQ's pokemon weaknesses
>Ben going with the unusual arguing path of RQ not being very strategic, sort of tries to argue that RQ has innate abilities that invalidate an opponent's technical fighting approach, that RQ Mega evolves and blasts with hyper beam
>Ben pulls a Swan, claims Pokemon has an infinitely expanding multiverse, Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
>Short argument about infinity
>Ben goes on tangent about how Mega Rayquaza was banned from competitive Pokemon, some RPG discussion occurs with Swan stating Seph's Supernova meteor is 20 trillion FTL and that FF magic warps magic at subatomic level
>Ben goes on a tortured scaling change to link RQ to universe level Necrozma
>Swan points out you can fight and beat someone that uses timestop even if you can't resist it
>Swan points out even if you're extremely generous and say that RQ and BT are equal statistically, that BT has far more options, Ben's weird counter is that RQ's weather control lets him shrug off reality warping hax
>BT's community answer points out that FF14's BT causes a continuity reboot, RQ's community answer makes the baffling claim that RQ can kill BT with radiation
>Josh suggests if they do this fight it be turn-based
>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
>Ben bemoans the lack of dragon-focused Death Battle suggestions that don't end in the universe exploding, Swan notes that Ghidorah vs Deathwing is far below RQ vs BT in terms of power
>RQ wins 3-1

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>>136995378
>>136995396
Baffling arguments from both sides, seems like they can't control their autism even when there's no need


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>>136995378
>>136995396
Baffling arguments from both sides, seems like they can't control their autism even when there's no need

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>>136996732
It kind of soured me on the matchup, honestly. It's the Magneto vs Tetsuo of Pokemon matchups. Little in common and possibly unbalanced power-wise, but enormously popular among the general audience.


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>>136996614
Speak for yourself. Unicron actually might have the edge in that matchup. He has similar wacky multiversal sheananigans combined with the nature of his power. That and if Galactus tries "eating" him then he gets fucked by dark energon as he has been vulnerable to such things before

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>>136996712
NLF, Capeshit is STILL bigger. Also Ultimate Nullifier


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>>136995740
Bahamut is an optional boss, but he's in no way a superboss. Omega and Shinryu are the superbosses.

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>>136995824
can 14 Bahamut scale to Omega and Shinryu? Omega has stupid stuff in 14 like being able to recreate Neo Exdeath and Shinryu has his Jewish Dragon schtick in Dissidia so they could be useful to scale to


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>>136980939
All of your squadmates from the mass effect trilogy.


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>>136995824
can 14 Bahamut scale to Omega and Shinryu? Omega has stupid stuff in 14 like being able to recreate Neo Exdeath and Shinryu has his Jewish Dragon schtick in Dissidia so they could be useful to scale to

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>>136996769
Swan scaled Bahamut to just existing in the presence of Gilgamesh. They'd obviously scale him to Omega and Shinryu.


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>>136995824
can 14 Bahamut scale to Omega and Shinryu? Omega has stupid stuff in 14 like being able to recreate Neo Exdeath and Shinryu has his Jewish Dragon schtick in Dissidia so they could be useful to scale to

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>>136996769
Considering Shinryu in 14 compared to Omega (as in they have an actual fight with each other that seemingly ended in a stalemate before later revealing Omega won) and 14 Shinryu was made from the Eggs of Nidhogg who is a younger brother to Bahamut you CAN make the argument he scales to 14 Omega even if Omega also captured him and is wildly considered stronger.


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>>136995824
can 14 Bahamut scale to Omega and Shinryu? Omega has stupid stuff in 14 like being able to recreate Neo Exdeath and Shinryu has his Jewish Dragon schtick in Dissidia so they could be useful to scale to

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>>136996769
Depends which Bahamut stuff you use. If I recall right, XIV Omega beat Bahamut when he was first summoned, but then that Bahamut gets juiced up when the Warrior of Light throws down with him a long time later


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>>136996769
Considering Shinryu in 14 compared to Omega (as in they have an actual fight with each other that seemingly ended in a stalemate before later revealing Omega won) and 14 Shinryu was made from the Eggs of Nidhogg who is a younger brother to Bahamut you CAN make the argument he scales to 14 Omega even if Omega also captured him and is wildly considered stronger.

[Assistant]
>>136996816
*Eyes
Brain was too focused on First Brood and thought about eggs


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>>136995824
can 14 Bahamut scale to Omega and Shinryu? Omega has stupid stuff in 14 like being able to recreate Neo Exdeath and Shinryu has his Jewish Dragon schtick in Dissidia so they could be useful to scale to

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>>136996769
Aren't the recreations 14's Omega makes based on stories and shouldn't be used for scaling if you're any kind of sane person.


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>>136992107
>You don't know how sneezing works. That's Saitama's upper limit.
Saitama doesn't have an upper limit.

He would red-mist any version of Superman. Modern, sun-dipped, Pre-crisis, One Million. Anyone who disagrees with this doesn't know enough about either character.

[Assistant]
>>136992131
>People are still feeding an obvious troll


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>>136996769
Aren't the recreations 14's Omega makes based on stories and shouldn't be used for scaling if you're any kind of sane person.

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>>136996892
Even if we say that we still have the fact the Vritra, the YOUNGEST of the Brood popping one eye out and shoving into a Au Ra puppet body is comparable to Endwalker WoL, Estinien and Y'Shtola who all three fought the bare minimum 14x planetary Hydaelyn


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What did you guys think about sauron vs lich king?
purple hair says its the best episode of season 9, and desu i kind of enjoyed the part where lich king tells sauron he has no heart

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>>136993703
Dogshit just because of Swank ruining it. Lich King should have stomped, plus the animation was on par with Berserk 2016.


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>>136980939
The Security Officer vs Adam Smasher. Hopefully you can find a face shot for the Officer so we can have a "Half-face" thingy


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>>136996892
Even if we say that we still have the fact the Vritra, the YOUNGEST of the Brood popping one eye out and shoving into a Au Ra puppet body is comparable to Endwalker WoL, Estinien and Y'Shtola who all three fought the bare minimum 14x planetary Hydaelyn

[Assistant]
>>136996917
AND Thordan using the eye of Ratatosk in Ascalon absorbed all of Lahabrea, an unsundered Ascian, who actually might be star level if my guess on how much energy Elidibus pumping the Crystal Tower to send WoL back to Elpis was.


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>>136988251
>how the fook is Saber this outerversal god character?
She isn't. Seth the Programmer made a video about a character he didn't know anything about. He was provided with a script and told to made the video by people who wanted to remain anonymous (because not even the people who wrote this shit wanted their names attached to it), and for him it was free money.

Anyone who looks to Seth, WCP, DB, or any other wankers for guidance on powerscaling is by definition a shit scaler.

[Assistant]
>>136988592
You know what? You get paid, good for you. I have no morals. I will write anybody here a "Let's Talk about Kratos" length essay about their character's proposed power levels for $200. We can negotiate more stuff along the way, but my point stands, you get that bag, you get my respect. (Assuming you're otherwise a decent person too.)


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>>136988251
>how the fook is Saber this outerversal god character?
She isn't. Seth the Programmer made a video about a character he didn't know anything about. He was provided with a script and told to made the video by people who wanted to remain anonymous (because not even the people who wrote this shit wanted their names attached to it), and for him it was free money.

Anyone who looks to Seth, WCP, DB, or any other wankers for guidance on powerscaling is by definition a shit scaler.

[Assistant]
>>136988592
I recently found a Seth-wannabe that unironically has Luffy at planet level, Naruto at solar system level, and Ichigo at galaxy level.


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>>136996614
Underestimating True Form Unicron here.
He and True Form Primus created the entire TF Multiverse in their fight.

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>>136996632
I want you to consider what they did to Apoc through Phoenix scaling.

Now keep in mind Galactus has actually fought the Phoenix.


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Notes on the latest podcast:
>Rayquaza vs Bahamut has been requested quite a bit, but there are questions about how it would work especially from Bahamut's side
>Ben arguing for Rayquaza, Swan for Bahamut
>Ben's opening statement is that RQ is one of the most powerful Pokemon to ever exist
>Swan's opening statement is a joke with a picture of the biblical BT, ends with a statement that even un-composited BT is way more powerful and has way more hax and resistances
>Swan says every BT is from different universes and stories, but for the most part they are similar enough as "big-ass dragon that can do magic...and the fact that he is still a summon..in Dissidia" indicates that fundamentally they are similar enough to composite, just has been moulded to fit the setting but FF's magic system is the same among all of its universe
>FF1 doesn't do anything and is not included in the composite, but 3,4,5,6, base 7,8,9,10, and maybe 14 are along with some side material
>Ben says that this match is somewhat likely because of how often it is requested
>Swan says that at worst, they'd use FF5 alone
>Ben says RQ is the only Pokemon that can mega evolve by himself as he is a living mega stone
>Ben says RQ scales to fighting Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in the Hoopa movie, and Dialga fighting Palkia can affect the multiverse but Mega RQ can solo them
>Swan says since Gilgamesh travels between different FF universes you can scale BT to nearly anything in these games, in FF5 Neo Exdeath merges with the Void which exists across the infinite FF multiverse, and BT is higher RPG level than him, has infinite strength and speed
>Chad was not aware BT was multiversal, was in stunned silence

[Assistant]
>>136995378
>>136995396
>Multiversal pokemon
>Multiversal Bahamut
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE MULTIVERSAL NOW? HOLY SHIT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FRANCHISE IS MULTIVERSAL.

GOW
DOOM
DC
MARVEL
POKEMON
DIGIMON
WARCRAFT
WH40K
DBZ
SAINT SEIYA
SPAWN
FATE
FIRE EMBLEM
KIRBY
MARIO

JESUS CHRIST SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPP


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>Swan thought Ben was going with Rainbow Rocket
>Swan brings up Exdeath vs Swamp Thing again, still thinks ST wins
>Swan says BT has a bunch of RPG stuff which includes reflecting attacks, time stop, healing, bypassing reflect abilities, instant death abilities, stat and status ailments, removing buffs, scanning, mental attack resistance, ice attacks that exploit RQ's pokemon weaknesses
>Ben going with the unusual arguing path of RQ not being very strategic, sort of tries to argue that RQ has innate abilities that invalidate an opponent's technical fighting approach, that RQ Mega evolves and blasts with hyper beam
>Ben pulls a Swan, claims Pokemon has an infinitely expanding multiverse, Swan's counter is that infinitely expanding means not just infinite already so FF's multiverse is bigger
>Short argument about infinity
>Ben goes on tangent about how Mega Rayquaza was banned from competitive Pokemon, some RPG discussion occurs with Swan stating Seph's Supernova meteor is 20 trillion FTL and that FF magic warps magic at subatomic level
>Ben goes on a tortured scaling change to link RQ to universe level Necrozma
>Swan points out you can fight and beat someone that uses timestop even if you can't resist it
>Swan points out even if you're extremely generous and say that RQ and BT are equal statistically, that BT has far more options, Ben's weird counter is that RQ's weather control lets him shrug off reality warping hax
>BT's community answer points out that FF14's BT causes a continuity reboot, RQ's community answer makes the baffling claim that RQ can kill BT with radiation
>Josh suggests if they do this fight it be turn-based
>Chad genuinely seems to have been unaware that composite Bahamut is generally considered multiverse level
>Ben bemoans the lack of dragon-focused Death Battle suggestions that don't end in the universe exploding, Swan notes that Ghidorah vs Deathwing is far below RQ vs BT in terms of power
>RQ wins 3-1

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>>136995378
>>136995396
>Multiversal pokemon
>Multiversal Bahamut
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE MULTIVERSAL NOW? HOLY SHIT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FRANCHISE IS MULTIVERSAL.

GOW
DOOM
DC
MARVEL
POKEMON
DIGIMON
WARCRAFT
WH40K
DBZ
SAINT SEIYA
SPAWN
FATE
FIRE EMBLEM
KIRBY
MARIO

JESUS CHRIST SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPP


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>>136995378
>>136995396
>Multiversal pokemon
>Multiversal Bahamut
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE MULTIVERSAL NOW? HOLY SHIT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FRANCHISE IS MULTIVERSAL.

GOW
DOOM
DC
MARVEL
POKEMON
DIGIMON
WARCRAFT
WH40K
DBZ
SAINT SEIYA
SPAWN
FATE
FIRE EMBLEM
KIRBY
MARIO

JESUS CHRIST SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPP

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>>136997169
OH MY BAD I ALSO FORGOT

DEVIL MAY CRY
BAYONETTA
FINAL FANTASY
GACHA SHIT
MEGAMAN
SONIC
MLP
MORTAL KOMBAT
STREET FIGHTER

HAHAHAHAHAHA


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>>136995378
>>136995396
>Multiversal pokemon
>Multiversal Bahamut
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE MULTIVERSAL NOW? HOLY SHIT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FRANCHISE IS MULTIVERSAL.

GOW
DOOM
DC
MARVEL
POKEMON
DIGIMON
WARCRAFT
WH40K
DBZ
SAINT SEIYA
SPAWN
FATE
FIRE EMBLEM
KIRBY
MARIO

JESUS CHRIST SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPP

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>>136997169
yeah... you know after a while shit like reality warping or changing or affecting or "was destroying" the universe-multiverse thing seems less and less like an actual linear increase in busting power and more like esoteric abilities being used in an autistically specific way


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>>136997169
yeah... you know after a while shit like reality warping or changing or affecting or "was destroying" the universe-multiverse thing seems less and less like an actual linear increase in busting power and more like esoteric abilities being used in an autistically specific way

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>>136997224
That's because that's what it is 90 percent of the time.

>>136997169
Because it's an autism arms race. Whoever makes the most bullshit Fetterbrained interpretation of their entry level franchise wins.

Note that all these big multiverse franchises just-so-happen to be widely popular.


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>>136995378
>>136995396
>Multiversal pokemon
>Multiversal Bahamut
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE MULTIVERSAL NOW? HOLY SHIT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FRANCHISE IS MULTIVERSAL.

GOW
DOOM
DC
MARVEL
POKEMON
DIGIMON
WARCRAFT
WH40K
DBZ
SAINT SEIYA
SPAWN
FATE
FIRE EMBLEM
KIRBY
MARIO

JESUS CHRIST SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPP

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>>136997224
That's because that's what it is 90 percent of the time.

>>136997169
Because it's an autism arms race. Whoever makes the most bullshit Fetterbrained interpretation of their entry level franchise wins.

Note that all these big multiverse franchises just-so-happen to be widely popular.


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>>136997224
That's because that's what it is 90 percent of the time.

>>136997169
Because it's an autism arms race. Whoever makes the most bullshit Fetterbrained interpretation of their entry level franchise wins.

Note that all these big multiverse franchises just-so-happen to be widely popular.

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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?


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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

[Assistant]
>>136997316
a bat costume.


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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

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>>136997316
eerrr...ahh... it's hard to precisely answer that when the characters lose a fuck ton of times


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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

[Assistant]
>>136997316
a cat costume.


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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

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>>136997316
Hard to say since DC characters are inconsistent as all fuck and of course it is dependent on who is writing / in charge of the debate (bias and all that).

For retard wankers, you'd need some sort of pseudo "multiverse" shit or sufficient hax / counter moveset (though this won't stop DCfags about complaining about em or whatever).


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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

[Assistant]
>>136997316
A sword


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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

[Assistant]
>>136997316
At least planetary in power, since "heralds" are planet level or lower if you aren't a wanker. Even calling them a Herald is retarded since it comes from Galactus Heralds, and Silver Surfer has been shown numerous times to be generally more powerful than the likes of Thor, Hulk, Superman, etc.


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>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

[Assistant]
>>136997316
Another herald tier. Herald tier ostensibly means planetary and FTL and it comes from Marvel


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>>136997316
At least planetary in power, since "heralds" are planet level or lower if you aren't a wanker. Even calling them a Herald is retarded since it comes from Galactus Heralds, and Silver Surfer has been shown numerous times to be generally more powerful than the likes of Thor, Hulk, Superman, etc.

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>>136997590
Not Thor, he's consistently portrayed as physically stronger and capable of tanking Norrin's output. But if you look at them separately without the times they've interacted with each other yeah you will probably think Norrin is way, way stronger


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>>136995378
>>136995396
>Multiversal pokemon
>Multiversal Bahamut
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE MULTIVERSAL NOW? HOLY SHIT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FRANCHISE IS MULTIVERSAL.

GOW
DOOM
DC
MARVEL
POKEMON
DIGIMON
WARCRAFT
WH40K
DBZ
SAINT SEIYA
SPAWN
FATE
FIRE EMBLEM
KIRBY
MARIO

JESUS CHRIST SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPP

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>>136997169
Zelda isn't multiversal


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In Destination: Imagination Part 1, Frankie Foster from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends lifted a box containing within it an infinitely sized pocket dimension. This scales Frankie Foster to multiversal, being able to lift single universes with slight effort.
In Destination: Imagination Part 2, Eduardo, one of the Imaginary Friends, wrestles with the omnipotent god who created said universe within the box. This god was also capable of manipulating universes outside the box. This scales Eduardo to multiversal.
In the episode 'Nightmare on Wilson Way', Mac, when high on sugar, effortlessly beats up both Frankie and Eduardo and leaves them both severely injured. This scales Mac to high outerversal.
The Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends verse should therefore be adjusted to high 1-A tier.

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>>136997749
due to how pocket dimensions work she wouldn't be able to scale to it


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In Destination: Imagination Part 1, Frankie Foster from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends lifted a box containing within it an infinitely sized pocket dimension. This scales Frankie Foster to multiversal, being able to lift single universes with slight effort.
In Destination: Imagination Part 2, Eduardo, one of the Imaginary Friends, wrestles with the omnipotent god who created said universe within the box. This god was also capable of manipulating universes outside the box. This scales Eduardo to multiversal.
In the episode 'Nightmare on Wilson Way', Mac, when high on sugar, effortlessly beats up both Frankie and Eduardo and leaves them both severely injured. This scales Mac to high outerversal.
The Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends verse should therefore be adjusted to high 1-A tier.

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>>136997749
I think that dimension's the size of the box.


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In Destination: Imagination Part 1, Frankie Foster from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends lifted a box containing within it an infinitely sized pocket dimension. This scales Frankie Foster to multiversal, being able to lift single universes with slight effort.
In Destination: Imagination Part 2, Eduardo, one of the Imaginary Friends, wrestles with the omnipotent god who created said universe within the box. This god was also capable of manipulating universes outside the box. This scales Eduardo to multiversal.
In the episode 'Nightmare on Wilson Way', Mac, when high on sugar, effortlessly beats up both Frankie and Eduardo and leaves them both severely injured. This scales Mac to high outerversal.
The Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends verse should therefore be adjusted to high 1-A tier.

[Assistant]
>>136997749
DB and VSBW autists would unironically argue for this, btw.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997749
due to how pocket dimensions work she wouldn't be able to scale to it

[Assistant]
>>136997905
>>136997910
A book with infinite pages is the size of Superman's hand.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997749
I think that dimension's the size of the box.

[Assistant]
>>136997905
>>136997910
A book with infinite pages is the size of Superman's hand.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997905
>>136997910
A book with infinite pages is the size of Superman's hand.

[Assistant]
>>136997949
The book is said to contain an infinite number of pages. Is the dimension in the box stated to be infinite in size, or is it just a dimension in a box?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997949
The book is said to contain an infinite number of pages. Is the dimension in the box stated to be infinite in size, or is it just a dimension in a box?

[Assistant]
>>136997985
>Is the dimension in the box stated to be infinite in size
This. Therefore Frankie is multiversal


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
In Destination: Imagination Part 1, Frankie Foster from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends lifted a box containing within it an infinitely sized pocket dimension. This scales Frankie Foster to multiversal, being able to lift single universes with slight effort.
In Destination: Imagination Part 2, Eduardo, one of the Imaginary Friends, wrestles with the omnipotent god who created said universe within the box. This god was also capable of manipulating universes outside the box. This scales Eduardo to multiversal.
In the episode 'Nightmare on Wilson Way', Mac, when high on sugar, effortlessly beats up both Frankie and Eduardo and leaves them both severely injured. This scales Mac to high outerversal.
The Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends verse should therefore be adjusted to high 1-A tier.

[Assistant]
>>136997749
>>136998041
lmao. Reminder this is the exact same logic of Dragonballfags with "Jiren shook an infintie-void"


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997985
>Is the dimension in the box stated to be infinite in size
This. Therefore Frankie is multiversal

[Assistant]
>>136997749
>>136998041
lmao. Reminder this is the exact same logic of Dragonballfags with "Jiren shook an infintie-void"


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997985
>Is the dimension in the box stated to be infinite in size
This. Therefore Frankie is multiversal

[Assistant]
>>136998041
so is it stated and if yes post a scan of it being stated


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997985
>Is the dimension in the box stated to be infinite in size
This. Therefore Frankie is multiversal

[Assistant]
>>136998041
Is it stated to be infinite in size by somebody more reliable than a child or an imaginary friend with the mind of a child?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
In Destination: Imagination Part 1, Frankie Foster from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends lifted a box containing within it an infinitely sized pocket dimension. This scales Frankie Foster to multiversal, being able to lift single universes with slight effort.
In Destination: Imagination Part 2, Eduardo, one of the Imaginary Friends, wrestles with the omnipotent god who created said universe within the box. This god was also capable of manipulating universes outside the box. This scales Eduardo to multiversal.
In the episode 'Nightmare on Wilson Way', Mac, when high on sugar, effortlessly beats up both Frankie and Eduardo and leaves them both severely injured. This scales Mac to high outerversal.
The Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends verse should therefore be adjusted to high 1-A tier.

[Assistant]
>>136997749
Man this show was uglier than I remember


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997749
>>136998041
lmao. Reminder this is the exact same logic of Dragonballfags with "Jiren shook an infintie-void"

[Assistant]
>>136998064
wasn't Jiren inside the infinite void?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Well since we're talking Galactus vs Unicron, who takes the W in this bros?

[Assistant]
>>136998124
the debate is pretty much G1 vs UT Optimus since both can be put at multiversal
Bayverse Prime is probably 3rd place if you want to use the Bayverse comics which puts The Matrix as being superior to a solar system level Fake Matrix
the rest are fucked


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997282
Be honest, what kind of power would you need to be packing to defeat a DC herald?

[Assistant]
>>136997316
Just hit them with their weaknesses or a plot device when they aren't looking. That's been the standard since Gardner Fox. "Oh no! They hit me with the anti-vibration laser! Now I can't use speed force magic!"

Telepathy also works really, really well, again, provided you sneak it on them. The Key once dropped the entire Justice League with a telepathic blast, though they mentioned upgrading their telepathic defenses shortly after Squaring up like its a fighting tournament is a very, very bad idea. Look at the Justice miniseries for a good take on the "bad guys beat the Justice League" formula.

Why they seem so invincible in a vs battle context is because it removes 2 conceits--that their opponent is right there in front of them and that they aren't going to hold back even a little.

Captain Cold is a problem for Flash because Flash isn't going to pop a sonic boom inside a populated city and turn him into red mist and because he hits the "fuck you Flash you slow down in my cold field" button just as Flash arrives to check out the trigged bank alarm. In a vs battle, Captain Cold is LMFAO tier against Flash because Barry just vibrates the planet away.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136985216
Game wins

[Assistant]
>>136985538
At being the first eliminated


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Well since we're talking Galactus vs Unicron, who takes the W in this bros?

[Assistant]
>>136998124
>>136998198
Question--is the same Primus inside all their matrixes?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998124
the debate is pretty much G1 vs UT Optimus since both can be put at multiversal
Bayverse Prime is probably 3rd place if you want to use the Bayverse comics which puts The Matrix as being superior to a solar system level Fake Matrix
the rest are fucked

[Assistant]
>>136998124
>>136998198
Question--is the same Primus inside all their matrixes?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998124
>>136998198
Question--is the same Primus inside all their matrixes?

[Assistant]
>>136998388
while yes due to Primus being a multiversal singularity (before The Shroud) you probably can't scale Primus's energy inside The Matrix between continuities since they usually displaying varying levels of feats
also some continuities like Animated and Aligned (pre-Dark Spark) either have no Primus or a completely different Primus


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Well since we're talking Galactus vs Unicron, who takes the W in this bros?

[Assistant]
>>136998124
The secret weapon all Friezafags fear known as...... THE BEAST


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998041
so is it stated and if yes post a scan of it being stated

[Assistant]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998041
Is it stated to be infinite in size by somebody more reliable than a child or an imaginary friend with the mind of a child?

[Assistant]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136980939
Guts vs Clare from Claymore.

[Assistant] >>136983667


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Tatsumaki's next opponent? Either Yuito or Kasane from Scarlet Nexus.

[Assistant]
>>136998813
Why the fuck would you bring her back? There's other OPM fights to do. It would be insane to skip over the likes of Boros vs Battle Beast and Mumen Rider vs Kite Man to bring her back.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)

[Assistant]
>>136998819
Frankie-sama, I fucking KNEEL...


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136980939
Vegeta vs The Irate Gamer

[Assistant] >>136983695


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998813
Why the fuck would you bring her back? There's other OPM fights to do. It would be insane to skip over the likes of Boros vs Battle Beast and Mumen Rider vs Kite Man to bring her back.

[Assistant]
>>136998835
>Why the fuck would you bring her back?
To see her in glorious victory again. :^)


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] I'm trying to think of match-ups for Monster Hunter monsters but nothing is really coming to mind.

[Assistant]
>>136988679
I've seen people throwing Alatreon vs Kyurem around and i can see it having potential


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136985426
Do "This Guy" vs Ben 10.

[Assistant] >>136987075


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136980939
Sam B vs OG-Loc

[Assistant] >>136985261


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] >>136983695

[Assistant]
>>136998913
Thanks


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)

[Assistant]
>>136998819
I don't see how it fits


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)

[Assistant]
>>136998819
Frankie Foster vs The One Above All, who wins?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] I'm trying to think of match-ups for Monster Hunter monsters but nothing is really coming to mind.

[Assistant]
>>136988679
How strong are they? Plz don't give me some "star level because he is said to have star breath and he has an attack where he flies up and darkens the screen" shit


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)

[Assistant]
>>136998819
GOKUKEKS AND SAITAMANALS.. …IT SOOOO OVER


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998819
Frankie Foster vs The One Above All, who wins?

[Assistant]
>>136999043
Frankie lifts the Marvel Multiverse then drags it upstairs then throws it from the top of the stairs


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136999043
Frankie lifts the Marvel Multiverse then drags it upstairs then throws it from the top of the stairs

[Assistant]
>>136999080
But TOAA is above all. He's already upstairs


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998813
Why the fuck would you bring her back? There's other OPM fights to do. It would be insane to skip over the likes of Boros vs Battle Beast and Mumen Rider vs Kite Man to bring her back.

[Assistant]
>>136998835
Battle Beast is for Kenpachi


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)

[Assistant]
>>136998819
None of those count as higher dimensions. If anything, it's more them running in a universe ungluing itself around them. I think you'd be better off claiming that this meant they could survive the big crunch.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998813
Why the fuck would you bring her back? There's other OPM fights to do. It would be insane to skip over the likes of Boros vs Battle Beast and Mumen Rider vs Kite Man to bring her back.

[Assistant]
>>136998835
Boros is for Evolto


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136988679
How strong are they? Plz don't give me some "star level because he is said to have star breath and he has an attack where he flies up and darkens the screen" shit

[Assistant]
>>136999046
Depends on the monster. Some are basically about as strong as real animals while others cause destroy entire kingdoms.
I'd say the most general average, which I'd say Rathalos is in, would be able to destroy small buildings.
Only once you get to shit like Black Dragons and Dalamadur which is basically a kaiju would you get something that could destroy cities.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136988679
How strong are they? Plz don't give me some "star level because he is said to have star breath and he has an attack where he flies up and darkens the screen" shit

[Assistant]
>>136999046
isn't Monster Hunter pretty grounded when it comes to feats despite being a series about giant monsters, it's not like Godzilla where the feat is "oh Godzilla kicked the ass of Mothra who could stop a planetary meteor" or Gamera where it's "oh Gamera fucked some dude" it's pretty much town and mountain shit with a single planetary fucker


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136999080
But TOAA is above all. He's already upstairs

[Assistant]
>>136999102
damn you're right. One Below All still gets thrown downwards though since he's already thrown below


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998835
Battle Beast is for Kenpachi

[Assistant]
>>136999106
>>136999125
Fuck out of here, soft-skulled faggot


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998835
Boros is for Evolto

[Assistant]
>>136999106
>>136999125
Fuck out of here, soft-skulled faggot


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] also send requests or whatever

[Assistant]
>>136980939
Yuuko Aioi, Mio Naganohara, and Mai Minakami vs Hanako Honda, Olivia, and Kasumi Nomura


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998124
>>136998198
Question--is the same Primus inside all their matrixes?

[Assistant]
>>136998388
If you asked certain fans during a certain timeframe, then yes, it's the same guy.
Otherwise no, every TF universe has it's own Primus.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998072
>>136998083
The universe within the box is shown to match VSBW criteria for higher-dimensional existence https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence
Which was also agreed by VSBW moderators to equate to higher-dimensional scaling in size
https://vsbattles.com/threads/how-do-we-rate-4-dimensional-space.49059/
Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW (Agnaa, April 12 2019)

Therefore Frankie Foster, by carrying this higher-dimensional universe up a flight of stairs at the beginning of the episode, is minimum High 2-A on VSBW:
Tier 2-A (Multiverse level+)

[Assistant]
>>136998819
>Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW
that makes no sense


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998819
I don't see how it fits

[Assistant]
>>136999032
>>136999118
The zipper and the backgrounds/foregrounds are additional spatial axes they can't interact with like they interact with their 3d running axes


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998819
None of those count as higher dimensions. If anything, it's more them running in a universe ungluing itself around them. I think you'd be better off claiming that this meant they could survive the big crunch.

[Assistant]
>>136999032
>>136999118
The zipper and the backgrounds/foregrounds are additional spatial axes they can't interact with like they interact with their 3d running axes


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136998819
>Manipulating any space that possesses a higher number of dimensions than our own 3 + Time gives you a High 2-A minimum scaling on VSBW
that makes no sense

[Assistant]
>>136999230
You know how the Norse realm in God of War the realms be separate dimensions occupying the same space? Well...
>>136999240
I think those are just zippers, backgrounds, and foregrounds respectively.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136999032
>>136999118
The zipper and the backgrounds/foregrounds are additional spatial axes they can't interact with like they interact with their 3d running axes

[Assistant]
>>136999230
You know how the Norse realm in God of War the realms be separate dimensions occupying the same space? Well...
>>136999240
I think those are just zippers, backgrounds, and foregrounds respectively.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Which Cartoon Character can or even entire solo any Animeverse they enter in?

[Assistant]
>>136999215
Bugs Bunny vs Madara would be funny


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Which Cartoon Character can or even entire solo any Animeverse they enter in?

[Assistant]
>>136999215
If that animeverse has two regular children or a forcefield then Bill's fucked.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136997316
Just hit them with their weaknesses or a plot device when they aren't looking. That's been the standard since Gardner Fox. "Oh no! They hit me with the anti-vibration laser! Now I can't use speed force magic!"

Telepathy also works really, really well, again, provided you sneak it on them. The Key once dropped the entire Justice League with a telepathic blast, though they mentioned upgrading their telepathic defenses shortly after Squaring up like its a fighting tournament is a very, very bad idea. Look at the Justice miniseries for a good take on the "bad guys beat the Justice League" formula.

Why they seem so invincible in a vs battle context is because it removes 2 conceits--that their opponent is right there in front of them and that they aren't going to hold back even a little.

Captain Cold is a problem for Flash because Flash isn't going to pop a sonic boom inside a populated city and turn him into red mist and because he hits the "fuck you Flash you slow down in my cold field" button just as Flash arrives to check out the trigged bank alarm. In a vs battle, Captain Cold is LMFAO tier against Flash because Barry just vibrates the planet away.

[Assistant]
>>136998366
Is it physically possible to overpower one?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136999046
isn't Monster Hunter pretty grounded when it comes to feats despite being a series about giant monsters, it's not like Godzilla where the feat is "oh Godzilla kicked the ass of Mothra who could stop a planetary meteor" or Gamera where it's "oh Gamera fucked some dude" it's pretty much town and mountain shit with a single planetary fucker

[Assistant]
>>136999157
Yeah pretty much. It takes Elder Dragons for things to start becoming more powerful, and only Black Dragons, and especially Fatalis, where they feel more like you're standard overpowered fantasy monster.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Which Cartoon Character can or even entire solo any Animeverse they enter in?

[Assistant]
>>136999215
I'm curious.
didn't Disney state that the new villain in the upcoming spain animated movie is Disney's strongest animated villain?


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136999215
I'm curious.
didn't Disney state that the new villain in the upcoming spain animated movie is Disney's strongest animated villain?

[Assistant]
>>136999317
Yeah, it's crazy, he's got pubic hair.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136999102
damn you're right. One Below All still gets thrown downwards though since he's already thrown below

[Assistant]
>>136999162
He would already be downstairs! Per cartoon logic, and since he's malevolent (villainous) the boxverse would fall on his head and knock him out


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136980939
Cartman vs Master Shake. If you can make it look badass using shake from any intro and Cartman as the Grand Wizard or The Coon that'd be best.

[Assistant] >>136985587


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136999215
I'm curious.
didn't Disney state that the new villain in the upcoming spain animated movie is Disney's strongest animated villain?

[Assistant]
>>136999317
is he some kind of wizard? i don't know how much stronger you can get than genie jafar and hades the olympian


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>>136999046
Depends on the monster. Some are basically about as strong as real animals while others cause destroy entire kingdoms.
I'd say the most general average, which I'd say Rathalos is in, would be able to destroy small buildings.
Only once you get to shit like Black Dragons and Dalamadur which is basically a kaiju would you get something that could destroy cities.

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>>136999137
>>136999157
Thank you. What about the more grounded versions of King Kong or classic stop motion dinosaurs like Gwangi? At least for the lower end. Crossover wise I'd love Predator or Kraven the Hunter


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>>136999046
isn't Monster Hunter pretty grounded when it comes to feats despite being a series about giant monsters, it's not like Godzilla where the feat is "oh Godzilla kicked the ass of Mothra who could stop a planetary meteor" or Gamera where it's "oh Gamera fucked some dude" it's pretty much town and mountain shit with a single planetary fucker

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>>136999137
>>136999157
Thank you. What about the more grounded versions of King Kong or classic stop motion dinosaurs like Gwangi? At least for the lower end. Crossover wise I'd love Predator or Kraven the Hunter


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>>136999046
isn't Monster Hunter pretty grounded when it comes to feats despite being a series about giant monsters, it's not like Godzilla where the feat is "oh Godzilla kicked the ass of Mothra who could stop a planetary meteor" or Gamera where it's "oh Gamera fucked some dude" it's pretty much town and mountain shit with a single planetary fucker

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>>136999157
Yeah, they never really give any concrete on screen feats to a lot of monsters other than beating up other monsters and educated statements. Sure there are some you can extrapolate, like Gaismagorm taking a large building size explosion from a spear embedded in his chest and all it did was knock him down a hole he was half in or Zora Magdaros containing enough energy and magma to form a new island on his own.
The best on screen feat will always be White Fatalis moving the moon to create the dimensional portal that allows him to come to our dimension.


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>>136980923 (OP)
Is there any way Reeves doesn't win this?

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>>136999453
Welling's Comic scaling. Dude can fight a Monitor.


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>>136999317
is he some kind of wizard? i don't know how much stronger you can get than genie jafar and hades the olympian

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>>136999394
>olympians
Fodder. Only Zeus is worth a damn.


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>>136980939
Bhad Bhabie vs Kylie Jenner


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>>136999394
>olympians
Fodder. Only Zeus is worth a damn.

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>>136999485
naw. Heracles relieved Atlas of his burden, at least for a while, and Apollo wrestled him well enough. Athena has Athena Sue powers and Ares is too strong to win. The rest are losers


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>>136999485
naw. Heracles relieved Atlas of his burden, at least for a while, and Apollo wrestled him well enough. Athena has Athena Sue powers and Ares is too strong to win. The rest are losers

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>>136999549
Ares was the butt monkey of the Olympian Pantheon though. Dude jobbed to a fucking jar


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>>136980923 (OP)
Is there any way Reeves doesn't win this?

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>>136999453
I think Bottom Right sundipped and pushed Apocalypse away from earth


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>>136999394
>olympians
Fodder. Only Zeus is worth a damn.

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>>136999485
Helios threatened to shine the sun in Hell.


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[User] they should seriously do King Mickey vs Mario or Paper Mario

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>>136985159
Composite Mickey or don't bother


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>>136980939
Sam B vs OG-Loc

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>>136985261
lol


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>>136999485
Helios threatened to shine the sun in Hell.

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>>136999593
greek myth sun is a lot weaker than real world sun. Greek sun is horse-level


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>>136999593
greek myth sun is a lot weaker than real world sun. Greek sun is horse-level

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>>136999615
Chariots are YHWH level, and scale above the entire Egyptian pantheon.


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>>136999549
Ares was the butt monkey of the Olympian Pantheon though. Dude jobbed to a fucking jar

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>>136999578
a huge magic jar. please understand


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>>136999615
Chariots are YHWH level, and scale above the entire Egyptian pantheon.

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>>136999644
The Egyptian pantheon are in fact the Olympians who fled from Typhon, don't forget that


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[User] is there a single aesthetic MU Samus could ever lose? She beats the shit out of Master Chief, Commander Shepard, Doomslayer, Issac Clarke, the Guardians from Destiny, the Tenno from Warframe, and Iron Man, like this bitch is fucking nuts

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>>136992058
Kerrigan


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>>136980923 (OP)
how the fook is Saber this outerversal god character?

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>>136988251
>outerversal
Why do powerfags use nonsensical words like this


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>>136999615
Chariots are YHWH level, and scale above the entire Egyptian pantheon.

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>>136999644
Otto. Who's the most badass character on Death Battle so far? I don't mean strongest, I mean most utterly hardcore


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[User] is there a single aesthetic MU Samus could ever lose? She beats the shit out of Master Chief, Commander Shepard, Doomslayer, Issac Clarke, the Guardians from Destiny, the Tenno from Warframe, and Iron Man, like this bitch is fucking nuts

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>>136992058
Normally I'd agree but I'm also sure they'd do some rubbish with Tony.


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[User] Which Cartoon Character can or even entire solo any Animeverse they enter in?

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>>136999215
not Bill unless it's some slice of life moe shit


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>>136999644
Otto. Who's the most badass character on Death Battle so far? I don't mean strongest, I mean most utterly hardcore

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>>136999889
So they can larp about "my infinity is bigger than your infinity" like as if it makes any sense.