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>>136984495
I mean, maybe the Mushroom Kingdom knew about the human world. Why would they have her reject Mario’s idea and not expand? Are there alternate worlds with humans or does she just appear human like Saiyans in DBZ?

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>>136984622
Could be, though she could easily just be from a different state/country than Mario and Luigi, while her mention about galaxies is just a means of setting up the other worlds that aren't within the Mushroom Kingdom. I'm guessing places like Sarasaland are their own places, since the bit of desert we see Mario and Peach traveling through didn't appear to have any landmarks or kingdom.


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>>136982388
Aka your only place to feel you belong?

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>>136982635
You aware 4chan created Rule 34, right?

KEK Captcha: GR88V


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>>136984576
While the guards do seem pretty incompetent, some of them probably have had similar training since they had the balls to chase down Mario even though he was like three times the size of any one of them. And the old toad (Toadsworth?) I would assume might have been more active in his heyday.

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>>136984641
I like this theory, it's one of the major things I would have enjoyed seeing explored better in the movie. I liked the movie a lot, and I DO feel Peach came off a little too strong at times. I think the two changes I would have most preferred specifically in regards to Peach and the toads would have been a line that the training grounds existed before her arrival and that brave Toads have taken to them in the past, and that after Peach became their princess by finally proving herself on them, she modified them to be harder (including the bowser cutout) and practiced the harder version herself until she could beat it before letting her citizens put themselves in harms way by trying it too. Her beating it first try did feel like a bit much, and without mention of the toads doing it felt unfair is all I'd say in that regard.


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>>136984645
Aryans are not elves. And why use the word Aryan? Because they’re blond and blue-eyed? You’re not Hitler. What are you even mentioning Tolkien for when elves were in his books? Not some inbetween like Hobbits, just elves.

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>>136984685
>And why use the word Aryan? Because they’re blond and blue-eyed?
Yes

> What are you even mentioning Tolkien for when elves were in his books? Not some inbetween like Hobbits, just elves.
That's part of the joke. Of course, Peaches & Link are not real elves. Nu-4chan can't handle banter now?


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>>136984618
Peach is a woke girl boss. End of story.

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>>136984631
You can't explore your Anima with Movie Peach.
She's just too generic "Modern woman".
Ya know a basic bitch.


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>>136984685
>And why use the word Aryan? Because they’re blond and blue-eyed?
Yes

> What are you even mentioning Tolkien for when elves were in his books? Not some inbetween like Hobbits, just elves.
That's part of the joke. Of course, Peaches & Link are not real elves. Nu-4chan can't handle banter now?

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>>136984734
I can’t handle retardation.


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>>136984734
I can’t handle retardation.

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>>136984759
And yet, here you are...


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>>136984618
Peach is a woke girl boss. End of story.

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>>136984631
>Peach is a woke girl boss
I disagree. She definitely needed Mario & it's clear they had a connection for each other. It's ashame the film wasn't about Mario saving the Princess like in the games. In the mangas, Peaches was depicted as being pushy. Not a woke girl boss, but definitely a girl boss to a point.


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>>136984313
She lost to him immediately when he invaded her kingdom, there was not even a battle. She then surprised him with an Ice powerup and managed to freeze him for all of five minutes before failing to notice the giant King Bomb-omb was about to blow five feet away from her. I will admit, I do not recall this full assault you mention, please enlighten me, if not with a webm, I will gladly review the camrip if you'll give me a time stamp, I'm happy to discuss this in good faith honestly.

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>>136984532
She lost to him when he had a power star powering up his ship and all the power at his disposal. Not because he was simply physically overwhelming to her. She had to tatically manuver him to get him to lose his guard down and blatantly turned the tables with a ice flower. At that moment Bowser was helpless and incapcitated enough to make Peach either escape or take the power star for herself and beat him and the koopas alone. It was only plot that freed him from the ice. And plot that she stayed to help the lava prisoners.


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>>136974997 (OP)
Somewhere out there, someone's gonna make a bukkake out of that screenshot. I just know it's gonna happen, which I welcome.


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>>136984313
>She kicked bowsers ass luv.
Peach never came close to beating Bowser. Just because she hit him that does mean Bowser got his ass beaten. If it wasn't for DK interfering and taking the beatings in that last fight, she would've easily been run over.
I don't know where you people are getting this from.

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>>136984618
She would mooped the floor with everyone if she had kept her ice flower active.


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>>136984294
Bowser was always depicted as easily the strongest. I was fascinated by his comments about being happy for once when fighting Mario. My one grip is that Peach was instantly good at platforming. It would be one thing for her to be great at it because she has lived there her whole life but she comes across as a Mary Sue for being instantly good at it. Mario had set up to be good at parkour in the human world so there was some familiarity but he still needed to learn how to platform in the Mushroom Kingdom (much like a new time player of any Mario game has to)

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>>136984360
>Peach was instantly good at platforming. It would be one thing for her to be great at it because she has lived there her whole life but she comes across as a Mary Sue for being instantly good at it

 Because shes more than a simple human and truly a being beyond another realm that makes her more a demi goddess than a human turned and raised princess. This is what shes elaborated and hinted as in the movie.


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>>136984162
>>136984180
Peaches would totally want Link. They're both elves afterall.

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>>136984415
>>136984482
Links bags both. Truly the chad of time


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>>136984162
>>136984180
>>136980638
>>136980865
Anon, please stop, you're hurting yourself.

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>>136984415
>>136984482
Links bags both. Truly the chad of time


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>>136984360
>Peach was instantly good at platforming. It would be one thing for her to be great at it because she has lived there her whole life but she comes across as a Mary Sue for being instantly good at it

 Because shes more than a simple human and truly a being beyond another realm that makes her more a demi goddess than a human turned and raised princess. This is what shes elaborated and hinted as in the movie.

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>>136984961
She did not at all hint at being a demigod


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>>136974997 (OP)
They reached a billion without you. I hope you now realize how meaningless you are to them.


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>>136984618
She would mooped the floor with everyone if she had kept her ice flower active.

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>>136984905
>She used a powerup
So could everyone else. Especially Bowser since he's already superior to everyone by a mile in base. Was Mario a gary stu when he beat DK with the cat powerup despite having zero fighting experience?


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>>136984532
She lost to him when he had a power star powering up his ship and all the power at his disposal. Not because he was simply physically overwhelming to her. She had to tatically manuver him to get him to lose his guard down and blatantly turned the tables with a ice flower. At that moment Bowser was helpless and incapcitated enough to make Peach either escape or take the power star for herself and beat him and the koopas alone. It was only plot that freed him from the ice. And plot that she stayed to help the lava prisoners.

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>>136984888
I mean, the power star very clearly just acted like a super star from the games. While I could see the argument you're attempting by saying he was passively powering up his army with it, I feel there is not a lot of evidence to this. At his size and with just one troop of his Koopa army he was able to subdue her and force her to meet his terms. Had she frozen him and made a break for the star, I will concede it's possible she might have gotten close to it, and maybe even clobbered any standard Koopas in the way, but I'd wager (since we're just arguing hypothetical situations at this point) that Bowser would have unfrozen when he realized she was going for the star, and when Kamek came too he would have likely teleported them to her (or himself as he could likely defeat her barring surprise attacks like the punch she knocked him out with) Had Mario and DK not saved the prisoners (the two were also easily clobbering Koopas seconds prior, so establishing Peach might have been able to doesn't change much in her favor) then the hostages would have died, and Bowser would have broken out once he got fed up with being frozen. Bowser was strong enough to beat DK when the star was very clearly out of his grasp in the final act, this alone feels to me like concrete proof he would have beaten Peach too had she actually tried to fight him. There's a reason Peach did not challenge the Kongs to earn their army. (Mario did in an act to be useful and save his brother, and he won to boot)


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>>136984618
Peach is a woke girl boss. End of story.

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>>136984631
>all the seething replies


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>>136984618
She would mooped the floor with everyone if she had kept her ice flower active.

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>>136984905
prove it


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>>136984888
I mean, the power star very clearly just acted like a super star from the games. While I could see the argument you're attempting by saying he was passively powering up his army with it, I feel there is not a lot of evidence to this. At his size and with just one troop of his Koopa army he was able to subdue her and force her to meet his terms. Had she frozen him and made a break for the star, I will concede it's possible she might have gotten close to it, and maybe even clobbered any standard Koopas in the way, but I'd wager (since we're just arguing hypothetical situations at this point) that Bowser would have unfrozen when he realized she was going for the star, and when Kamek came too he would have likely teleported them to her (or himself as he could likely defeat her barring surprise attacks like the punch she knocked him out with) Had Mario and DK not saved the prisoners (the two were also easily clobbering Koopas seconds prior, so establishing Peach might have been able to doesn't change much in her favor) then the hostages would have died, and Bowser would have broken out once he got fed up with being frozen. Bowser was strong enough to beat DK when the star was very clearly out of his grasp in the final act, this alone feels to me like concrete proof he would have beaten Peach too had she actually tried to fight him. There's a reason Peach did not challenge the Kongs to earn their army. (Mario did in an act to be useful and save his brother, and he won to boot)

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>>136985017
>>136984888
Come to think of it, his ship was established to be capable of flying right up to any kingdom in the fucking opening, the start had nothing to do with that. Nothing was stopping Bowser from going there and it's arguable he only wanted to star to coerce Peach into marriage because he likely believed she (like himself) found power to be alluring.


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>>136984532
She lost to him when he had a power star powering up his ship and all the power at his disposal. Not because he was simply physically overwhelming to her. She had to tatically manuver him to get him to lose his guard down and blatantly turned the tables with a ice flower. At that moment Bowser was helpless and incapcitated enough to make Peach either escape or take the power star for herself and beat him and the koopas alone. It was only plot that freed him from the ice. And plot that she stayed to help the lava prisoners.

[Assistant]
>>136985017
>>136984888
Come to think of it, his ship was established to be capable of flying right up to any kingdom in the fucking opening, the start had nothing to do with that. Nothing was stopping Bowser from going there and it's arguable he only wanted to star to coerce Peach into marriage because he likely believed she (like himself) found power to be alluring.


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>>136984415
>>136984482
Links bags both. Truly the chad of time

[Assistant]
>>136984976
>Fucking with two girls.
No a big thing.


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>>136985017
>>136984888
Come to think of it, his ship was established to be capable of flying right up to any kingdom in the fucking opening, the start had nothing to do with that. Nothing was stopping Bowser from going there and it's arguable he only wanted to star to coerce Peach into marriage because he likely believed she (like himself) found power to be alluring.

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>>136985037
Peach does give off the vibe of liking power and being seen as powerful. Maybe her and Bowser have more in common than I thought


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>>136985017
>>136984888
Come to think of it, his ship was established to be capable of flying right up to any kingdom in the fucking opening, the start had nothing to do with that. Nothing was stopping Bowser from going there and it's arguable he only wanted to star to coerce Peach into marriage because he likely believed she (like himself) found power to be alluring.

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>>136985037
Well yea, he says as much. He got the star, thinking it would be make Peach fall for him, and he seemed to be bidding his time while he worked on his proposal.


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>>136985037
Peach does give off the vibe of liking power and being seen as powerful. Maybe her and Bowser have more in common than I thought

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>>136985066
It seemed established that she respects power, but favors bravery / empathy. She was respectful to the Kong kingdom, but appreciated Mario's approach of trying his best to save his brother even if it meant certain death in a deadly obstacle course, fighting a sentient gorilla, intercepting a giant missile alone, or going toe to toe against the turtle dragon without a power-up. Even by the end of the movie, it's apparent she likes the brothers, but it's not established firmly that she's fallen for Mario.


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>>136984888
I mean, the power star very clearly just acted like a super star from the games. While I could see the argument you're attempting by saying he was passively powering up his army with it, I feel there is not a lot of evidence to this. At his size and with just one troop of his Koopa army he was able to subdue her and force her to meet his terms. Had she frozen him and made a break for the star, I will concede it's possible she might have gotten close to it, and maybe even clobbered any standard Koopas in the way, but I'd wager (since we're just arguing hypothetical situations at this point) that Bowser would have unfrozen when he realized she was going for the star, and when Kamek came too he would have likely teleported them to her (or himself as he could likely defeat her barring surprise attacks like the punch she knocked him out with) Had Mario and DK not saved the prisoners (the two were also easily clobbering Koopas seconds prior, so establishing Peach might have been able to doesn't change much in her favor) then the hostages would have died, and Bowser would have broken out once he got fed up with being frozen. Bowser was strong enough to beat DK when the star was very clearly out of his grasp in the final act, this alone feels to me like concrete proof he would have beaten Peach too had she actually tried to fight him. There's a reason Peach did not challenge the Kongs to earn their army. (Mario did in an act to be useful and save his brother, and he won to boot)

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>>136985017
Well will never known because the plot had too many hypotheticals and plot conviences for everyone. Peach could have gotten the kong army and set up an ambush the second she was captured by the koopas and thrn had enough forces to fight biwser with plenty of power upsz she seems on par with him with just one basic power up, if she had more powerful ones like the tanuki suit she have range and skill against him. But it was set up she got a technicality against bowser and his forces at the wedding and had to build up Mario to save everyone.


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[User] It's been how many months and you shrieking "men" are STILL copy-pasting these exact same threads multiple times a day about this? Fucking christ, I thought Xenoblade Chronicles 2 shattered the minds and brains of 4chan, but this is unreal.

[Assistant]
>>136985039
The 4chan mind virus.


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>>136984976
>Fucking with two girls.
No a big thing.

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>>136985063
Pssh amatuer, Link does it better.


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>>136984532
She lost to him when he had a power star powering up his ship and all the power at his disposal. Not because he was simply physically overwhelming to her. She had to tatically manuver him to get him to lose his guard down and blatantly turned the tables with a ice flower. At that moment Bowser was helpless and incapcitated enough to make Peach either escape or take the power star for herself and beat him and the koopas alone. It was only plot that freed him from the ice. And plot that she stayed to help the lava prisoners.

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>>136984888
>Not because he was simply physically overwhelming to her.
Nigga what?


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>>136985063
Pssh amatuer, Link does it better.

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>>136985145
I like this artist's style, but it's weird how they're so obsessed with LinkxPeach.


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>>136984618
Peach is a woke girl boss. End of story.

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>>136984631
Just call her what she is, a Mary Sue.


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>>136985063
Pssh amatuer, Link does it better.

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>>136985145
No, make me to use an AI anon.


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>>136984888
>Not because he was simply physically overwhelming to her.
Nigga what?

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>>136985157
If She had a power up, she would have fought him equally.

>>136985160
Because its hot and cute, plus links a knight and peach is a princess but their like a serious meets maniac puxie dream girl couple that appeals to me


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>>136985145
I like this artist's style, but it's weird how they're so obsessed with LinkxPeach.

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>>136985157
If She had a power up, she would have fought him equally.

>>136985160
Because its hot and cute, plus links a knight and peach is a princess but their like a serious meets maniac puxie dream girl couple that appeals to me


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>>136984631
Just call her what she is, a Mary Sue.

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>>136985172
I call everything that sends me into screaming raging hysterics a Mary Sue. It's how I survive this world where straight white Christian conservative men are being genocided by forces hell-bent on eradicating what is normal.


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>>136984631
Just call her what she is, a Mary Sue.

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>>136985172
Princess Peach is general is basically a mary sue.


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>>136984631
Just call her what she is, a Mary Sue.

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>>136985172
But shes still cool, fun and a more preferable than game Peach


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>>136985157
If She had a power up, she would have fought him equally.

>>136985160
Because its hot and cute, plus links a knight and peach is a princess but their like a serious meets maniac puxie dream girl couple that appeals to me

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>>136985203
>If She had a power up, she would have fought him equally.
Which powerup? There's a difference between stalling and defeating.


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>>136984631
Just call her what she is, a Mary Sue.

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>>136985172
All that literally describes Game Peach too idiot


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>>136974997 (OP)
Movie Peach > Game Peach.

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>>136975049
>>136974997 (OP)
Built for Big Manlet Pipe.


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>>136975049
>>136974997 (OP)
Built for Big Manlet Pipe.


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>>136984631
Just call her what she is, a Mary Sue.

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>>136985172
She wandered into bizarre obstacle land as a baby and was raised by weirdos who travel by pipe maze and platform every day. She was raised in Ninja Warrior land, it's fine that she's better at platforming than Mario like in Mario Bros 3.


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>>136985172
She wandered into bizarre obstacle land as a baby and was raised by weirdos who travel by pipe maze and platform every day. She was raised in Ninja Warrior land, it's fine that she's better at platforming than Mario like in Mario Bros 3.

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>>136985273
and that is why she's a woke yaas queen slay girlboss


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>>136985017
Well will never known because the plot had too many hypotheticals and plot conviences for everyone. Peach could have gotten the kong army and set up an ambush the second she was captured by the koopas and thrn had enough forces to fight biwser with plenty of power upsz she seems on par with him with just one basic power up, if she had more powerful ones like the tanuki suit she have range and skill against him. But it was set up she got a technicality against bowser and his forces at the wedding and had to build up Mario to save everyone.

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>>136985106
Hold on there, you're just spouting off made up points without any evidence and that's tiring to even debate.
The BEST power up for beating the FIRE BREATHING REPTILE would easily be the ICE one, and that's what she got. Granted there's a penguin version but being able to slide around would likely have been no help in this scenario and would be unreasonable to sneak into a bouquet. So Peach with what could very easily be argued to be the BEST POSSIBLE ADVANTAGE against Bowser
>His troops are sitting down, not ready for battle
>Kamek is KO'd by a surprise sucker punch
>Blue shell off'd himself at Rainbow Road
 still only managed to subdue him. Granted if there were no prisoners, and she hadn't gotten herself blown up by King Bom-omb thus losing her power up, she MAYBE could have continued to pelt him with ice balls. But there's no fucking way the Tanuki suit nor even the cat suit could beat Bowser. Now moving on to your points with this established.
>Peach could have gotten the kong army and set up an ambush the second she was captured by the koopas
No she fucking couldn't dude, the Koopas had intel on her the moment she recruited them, a feat she ONLY achieved because Mario did it for her, and almost all of them were defeated in the Rainbow Road massacre. The Kong army, her idea, turned out to be a BAD IDEA because Bowser found out about it instantly and easily thwarted it.
> thrn had enough forces to fight biwser with plenty of power upsz she seems on par with him with just one basic power up,
Again, no she didn't. She surprised him with a one on one fight where-in she had his greatest weakness and knocked out his right hand man. She would have never even touched him had Kamek been awake or had his army of hundreds of troopas been between them.
>if she had more powerful ones like the tanuki suit she have range and skill against him.
This makes the whole post feel like you're trolling but I'm almost out of space on this post anyway, part 2 soon.


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>>136974997 (OP)
At this point i don't think the box office even cares about your money...


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>>136985017
Well will never known because the plot had too many hypotheticals and plot conviences for everyone. Peach could have gotten the kong army and set up an ambush the second she was captured by the koopas and thrn had enough forces to fight biwser with plenty of power upsz she seems on par with him with just one basic power up, if she had more powerful ones like the tanuki suit she have range and skill against him. But it was set up she got a technicality against bowser and his forces at the wedding and had to build up Mario to save everyone.

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>>136985106
>>136985312
>if she had more powerful ones like the tanuki suit she have range and skill against him.
The tanuki suit does not have range dude, it's got a tail flip, and that does NOT reflect fireballs even in the games. She would have been defeated with anything but the ice power-up.
>But it was set up she got a technicality against bowser and his forces at the wedding and had to build up Mario to save everyone.
Yes, she made the best of a bad situation, by having toad pull an ice power-up out of his ass, I'll admit that part is a reach, but it was the best possible set up as all of Bowsers' forces were at ease for the wedding, and Kamek was subdued with a surprise attack. Had it not been for the prisoners needing to be saved she MIGHT have won, but that's the only part of that encounter that's debatable.


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>>136985106
Hold on there, you're just spouting off made up points without any evidence and that's tiring to even debate.
The BEST power up for beating the FIRE BREATHING REPTILE would easily be the ICE one, and that's what she got. Granted there's a penguin version but being able to slide around would likely have been no help in this scenario and would be unreasonable to sneak into a bouquet. So Peach with what could very easily be argued to be the BEST POSSIBLE ADVANTAGE against Bowser
>His troops are sitting down, not ready for battle
>Kamek is KO'd by a surprise sucker punch
>Blue shell off'd himself at Rainbow Road
 still only managed to subdue him. Granted if there were no prisoners, and she hadn't gotten herself blown up by King Bom-omb thus losing her power up, she MAYBE could have continued to pelt him with ice balls. But there's no fucking way the Tanuki suit nor even the cat suit could beat Bowser. Now moving on to your points with this established.
>Peach could have gotten the kong army and set up an ambush the second she was captured by the koopas
No she fucking couldn't dude, the Koopas had intel on her the moment she recruited them, a feat she ONLY achieved because Mario did it for her, and almost all of them were defeated in the Rainbow Road massacre. The Kong army, her idea, turned out to be a BAD IDEA because Bowser found out about it instantly and easily thwarted it.
> thrn had enough forces to fight biwser with plenty of power upsz she seems on par with him with just one basic power up,
Again, no she didn't. She surprised him with a one on one fight where-in she had his greatest weakness and knocked out his right hand man. She would have never even touched him had Kamek been awake or had his army of hundreds of troopas been between them.
>if she had more powerful ones like the tanuki suit she have range and skill against him.
This makes the whole post feel like you're trolling but I'm almost out of space on this post anyway, part 2 soon.

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>>136985106
>>136985312
>if she had more powerful ones like the tanuki suit she have range and skill against him.
The tanuki suit does not have range dude, it's got a tail flip, and that does NOT reflect fireballs even in the games. She would have been defeated with anything but the ice power-up.
>But it was set up she got a technicality against bowser and his forces at the wedding and had to build up Mario to save everyone.
Yes, she made the best of a bad situation, by having toad pull an ice power-up out of his ass, I'll admit that part is a reach, but it was the best possible set up as all of Bowsers' forces were at ease for the wedding, and Kamek was subdued with a surprise attack. Had it not been for the prisoners needing to be saved she MIGHT have won, but that's the only part of that encounter that's debatable.


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>>136985172
But shes still cool, fun and a more preferable than game Peach

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>>136985233
You're trying too hard.


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>>136985273
and that is why she's a woke yaas queen slay girlboss

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>>136985296
Because she's a female character, yeah. If the character were male he wouldn't be a guy boss. You're outlining how the problem is just your use of buzzwords.


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>>136984631
Just call her what she is, a Mary Sue.

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>>136985172
Makes me appreciated game Peach so much more.


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>>136985296
Because she's a female character, yeah. If the character were male he wouldn't be a guy boss. You're outlining how the problem is just your use of buzzwords.

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>>136985398
Too bad Mario is a bumbler in this film.


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>>136985398
Too bad Mario is a bumbler in this film.

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>>136985427
Peach bumbled so hard she almost got everyone killed and Mario saved everyone from her fuck up.


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>>136985398
Too bad Mario is a bumbler in this film.

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>>136985427
You would be, too, if you were suddenly teleported to a completely different world where things are weird and freaky.


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[Assistant] Would fuck


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[Assistant] I bet my butt that Daisy is going to have a Mabel from Gravity Falls personality and maybe with a touch of Sticks from Sonic Boom.


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[Assistant] You can make a drinking game in how many times she smirks & fist pumps.


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[Assistant] I need princess Peach to wrap those gorgeous dis sucking lips around my fat cock until I dump load after load straight into her stomach


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[Assistant] Peach is cute, cute, CUTE!


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I did today.

Christ, she seriously was the creepiest part of the movie.


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[Assistant] Jap fans keep tweeting that she was cute and appealing, and japs get appeal better than muricans, so I think we can settle she's a success


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This one is for my one and only true love
Princess Peach

Peach, you're so cool
And with my star, we're gonna rule
Peach, understand
I'm gonna love you till the very end

Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
I love you, oh
Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
I love you, oh

Mario, Luigi and a Donkey Kong too
A thousand troops of Koopas couldn't keep me from you
Princess Peach, at the end of the line
I'll make you mine, oh

Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches, Peaches
I love you, oh

Peaches, Peaches
Peach, Peach


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[Assistant] Paper Mario is non-canon garbage. Mario 3D World however is Mainline Kino and in that Peach can kick ass so it's fine that she fucks pussy in the movie too.


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Well, it's official. This is the year of monthly meltdowns.
>Dead Space remake comes out and is great
>People shit their pants over a fucking bathroom sign and characters being retroactively made to match their later depictions
>All the shit about Hogwarts Legacy
>Now this
Christ, people are becoming peak pathetic


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[Assistant] He was cute.


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[Assistant] It really wasn't that bad of a movie, not perfect though. But it's leagues above the live-action one in every objective way.


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I watched it.

The last time I actually went to a movie theater to watch a movie was to watch Joker, in 2019.

The more people like you say it's bad, the more I think the movie will be good.

>Tl;DR Your opinion doesn't matters, watched it, enjoyed it.


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[Assistant] I'm really surprised that this Peach hasn't put her face on the coin yet.


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[Assistant] oh okay you're trolling nevermind, thanks now I don't have to waste my time


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[Assistant] The movie blatantly rips off The 3 Stooges's "Plumbing we will go".


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[Assistant] The only problem with Peach being so proactive is that they whenever they get around to introducing Daisy, it's going to either mean they're both both carbon copies of each other, or Daisy is just going to be "strong and hyper" while Peach is "strong and reserved"


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[Assistant] Dripping in Man Bun energy this movie is.


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[Assistant]
Is this a seething thread about Mario?

>PICREL
>$1 BILLION

>DISNEY TEARS


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I wish Peach was slightly more gentle but she wasn't portrayed horribly.

She's a ruler of a kingdom under siege, I'd expect her to be pretty hard-nosed about defending it.


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[Assistant] This "movie" is only possible after Satoru Iwata passing.


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[Assistant] Guys I'm sad to report the Japanese cut has the western songs as well. However the mouth flap animation was redone to match the script


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>getting the cheapest possible major animation studio that doesn't have a single talented person on staff
>casting random celebrities to play the characters instead of hiring actual voice actors leading to almost everyone feeling miscast (Bowser and Kamek were alright though)
>prioritizes nostalgia and millions of references over good writing
>fucks up the characterizations of both Mario and Peach as a result
>mocks and abandons the classic Mario voice for no reason
The movie is anti-soul. It rejects the spirit of what makes Mario a classic and what makes cartoons fun. It's just a cynical cashgrab.


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The movie is so gay.
Fucking cat mario beating DK really?


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I like how they cheated in the end.
The pinnacle of hollow victories.


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>Miyamoto approves of badass Peach and says Nintendo always wanted to portray her that way in the games
>According to leaks the new Zelda game incorporates stuff from Age of Calamity and the Akira Himekawa manga series, meaning that Nintendo ain't no longer so protective and purist of their own canon and can introduce stuff from 3rd party adaptations
Lmao, it's over. Prepare to see "girlboss" Illumination Peach in Mario games from now on.
Sorry chuddies, but you once again LOST the culture war.


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[Assistant] I did it on my first try


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[Assistant] the west has fallen..


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[Assistant] Bowser easily folded everyone in the movie. Yet why are people complaining about Peach?


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[Assistant] It's been how many months and you shrieking "men" are STILL copy-pasting these exact same threads multiple times a day about this? Fucking christ, I thought Xenoblade Chronicles 2 shattered the minds and brains of 4chan, but this is unreal.


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[Assistant] Back in the Mario 3 cartoon Peach saved Earth by herself while the Bros and Toad were being useless in the Mushroom Kingdom. Did all of you rip your docks and balls off in faggot-raping fury back then?


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[Assistant] Why is her wedding dress so lewd?


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[Assistant]
>>136975478 (OP)
Queer icons!


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>>136975478 (OP)
Queer icons!

[Assistant]
>>136975495
Really? How so?


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[Assistant]
>>136975478 (OP)
>apple TV
You can't have a verdict for something no one watched.


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>>136975478 (OP)
this is a literal baby show

like watching a kid's show is one thing, but this is Dora the Explorer tier

I'm not watching this shit


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>>136975478 (OP)
Moves like shit and the writing made my brain numb. I know it's wholesome but there are better wholesome shows out there you can watch.


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>>136975478 (OP)
this is a literal baby show

like watching a kid's show is one thing, but this is Dora the Explorer tier

I'm not watching this shit

[Assistant]
>>136975635
>suddenly /co/ has standards
You don't have to watch it, anon, but stop deluding yourself.


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>>136975478 (OP)
A little too gay and wholesome for confort.


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>>136975478 (OP)
I read the books when I was a babby. I wonder if it's possible to replicate the artstyle in an animated form.


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>>136975635
>suddenly /co/ has standards
You don't have to watch it, anon, but stop deluding yourself.

[Assistant]
>>136975673
 It's not about standards. I'm sure it's a perfectly passable show

for babies

like, what entertainment value could I possibly get out of a show that's so obviously tooled towards small children?


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[Assistant]
>>136975478 (OP)
its good!


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>>136975673
 It's not about standards. I'm sure it's a perfectly passable show

for babies

like, what entertainment value could I possibly get out of a show that's so obviously tooled towards small children?

[Assistant]
>>136976187
I think the thing with this particular show isn't that it is "tooled towards small children" but the fact that it's too mundane to get anything out of it but just a general pleasant feel. I think the books are pretty much the same.


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>>136975673
 It's not about standards. I'm sure it's a perfectly passable show

for babies

like, what entertainment value could I possibly get out of a show that's so obviously tooled towards small children?

[Assistant]
>>136976187

Do you feel the same way about Bluey?


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>>136975478 (OP)
Queer icons!

[Assistant]
>>136975495
>>136975528
Series creator Arnold Lobel was gay.


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>>136975495
Really? How so?

[Assistant]
>>136975495
>>136975528
Series creator Arnold Lobel was gay.


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>>136976187

Do you feel the same way about Bluey?

[Assistant]
>>136977642
Bandit carries it


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>>136975478 (OP)
I don't care about toddlershit made by an AIDsfaggot who died as a consequence of his retarded actions


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>>136975478 (OP)
Froge


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>>136975478 (OP)
This is a Mr.Toad board


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>>136975478 (OP)
I don't care about toddlershit made by an AIDsfaggot who died as a consequence of his retarded actions

[Assistant]
>>136980725
What?


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[Assistant]
>Apple TV+ show
no one watched it.


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[User] Why do writers hate this so much?

[Assistant]
>>136974880 (OP)
Comic Book editors are under the impression that their target demo doesn't want to read about family men even though characters like Goku only got popular after becoming a dad


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>>136974880 (OP)
Gotta keep up the Status Quo, can't have Peter aging too far into Adulthood or else sales will plummet supposedly
Also Writers tend to think it's the suffering Peter goes through that makes his stories stand out and not just another aspect of his character that makes him compelling

>>136974939
This, they're scared of change and won't allow Peter to grow as a person so instead they just throw new OCs at him to with like Miles or Silk. New characters that more or less exist as accessories to Peter but nothing major down the long run


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>>136974880 (OP)
Comic Book editors are under the impression that their target demo doesn't want to read about family men even though characters like Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

[Assistant]
>>136974880 (OP)
Gotta keep up the Status Quo, can't have Peter aging too far into Adulthood or else sales will plummet supposedly
Also Writers tend to think it's the suffering Peter goes through that makes his stories stand out and not just another aspect of his character that makes him compelling

>>136974939
This, they're scared of change and won't allow Peter to grow as a person so instead they just throw new OCs at him to with like Miles or Silk. New characters that more or less exist as accessories to Peter but nothing major down the long run


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>>136974880 (OP)
Middle aged men who have never ever had a single relationship in their life cannot fathom the concept of a happily married man with a wife and kid at home still trying to get by and do the right thing. And that's the current crop of writers at Marvel.


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>>136974880 (OP)
I'm surprised that Peter has not been officially retconned into being 17 again in 616 considering all of media really REALLY wants Peter to be the man teen hero in highschool with every movie and tv series tie-in is nothing but that.


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>>136974880 (OP)
Comic Book editors are under the impression that their target demo doesn't want to read about family men even though characters like Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

[Assistant]
>>136974939
True. I cannot imagine Goku without his family


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>>136974880 (OP)
Peter would be a terrible parent. He cant even hold a job and make enough money to support his family fully. And doesnt act like a true grown man.


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>>136974880 (OP)
It's a mix of deluded nostalgia and very stupid marketing idea that the married Peter can't sell, even though it did perfectly well for 20 years.


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>>136974880 (OP)

Living on the edge
Getting cucked, spinning webs
Some glasses wearing guy
Is fucking MJ from behind

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah

Cuckings on the rise
And Peter being victimized
Looking up with no surprise
He's watching MJ with that guy

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah

Spectacular, Spectacular Spider-Cuck
Spectacular, Spectacular Spider-Cuck
Spectacular, Spectacular Spider-Cuck
Spectacular


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>>136974880 (OP)
>i-it holds him back
>t-there is literally no way to tell good stories with Peter as a family man
are the biggest copes editorial and writers have

That made me think. If you (yes, (You)) had the chance to give Peter his family back again, what would be the one change you'd make to the overall canon that you know readers/anons wouldn't like? Not just specifically related to Peter, but his entire cast.


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>>136974880 (OP)
They don't tbqh.
Marvel just chose a better future for Peter.


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>>136974880 (OP)
Comic Book editors are under the impression that their target demo doesn't want to read about family men even though characters like Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

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>>136974939
>Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

Dragon Ball was already popular though. Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.


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>>136974880 (OP)
>i-it holds him back
>t-there is literally no way to tell good stories with Peter as a family man
are the biggest copes editorial and writers have

That made me think. If you (yes, (You)) had the chance to give Peter his family back again, what would be the one change you'd make to the overall canon that you know readers/anons wouldn't like? Not just specifically related to Peter, but his entire cast.

[Assistant]
>>136975238
Those aren't their only copes
>P-Peter needs to be young
And then they give his supporting cast children and keep Miles in 616.
>P-Peter needs to be relatable
If they truly believed that, they wouldn't have given the green light to that Parker Industries nonsense Slott did.


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>>136974880 (OP)
Middle aged men who have never ever had a single relationship in their life cannot fathom the concept of a happily married man with a wife and kid at home still trying to get by and do the right thing. And that's the current crop of writers at Marvel.

[Assistant]
>>136975156
Is this why Jon Kent was ruined?


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>>136974939
>Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

Dragon Ball was already popular though. Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.

[Assistant]
>>136975349
>Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.
Kek.


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>>136974880 (OP)

Living on the edge
Getting cucked, spinning webs
Some glasses wearing guy
Is fucking MJ from behind

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah

Cuckings on the rise
And Peter being victimized
Looking up with no surprise
He's watching MJ with that guy

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah

Spectacular, Spectacular Spider-Cuck
Spectacular, Spectacular Spider-Cuck
Spectacular, Spectacular Spider-Cuck
Spectacular

[Assistant]
>>136975227
>Is fucking MJ from behind
Kek


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>>136975238
Those aren't their only copes
>P-Peter needs to be young
And then they give his supporting cast children and keep Miles in 616.
>P-Peter needs to be relatable
If they truly believed that, they wouldn't have given the green light to that Parker Industries nonsense Slott did.

[Assistant]
>>136975355
>If they truly believed that, they wouldn't have given the green light to that Parker Industries nonsense Slott did.
The worse things is that Big time job made sense, it was retarded for Peter still being at a dead end job at the buggle and even more retarded being a teacher, him being a sciencist was the best option.
But slott is a retard so he went with the parker industries ruining the idea


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>>136975349
>Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.
Kek.

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>>136975369
You'll have to excuse him, this is /co/, and anons on /co/ have a habit of making shit up and pulling shit out of their asses like retards, much like most comic writers.


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>>136975369
You'll have to excuse him, this is /co/, and anons on /co/ have a habit of making shit up and pulling shit out of their asses like retards, much like most comic writers.

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>>136975416
You retards need to stop reading comics and start reading manga.


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>>136974880 (OP)
Peter would be a terrible parent. He cant even hold a job and make enough money to support his family fully. And doesnt act like a true grown man.

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>>136975225
This.


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>>136974880 (OP)
It’s editors and it has been that way for decades. That’s why the Clone Saga happened. It’s not about Peter, it’s about Spider-Man. He has to be young and not tethered to anything.


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>>136975349
>Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.
Kek.

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>>136975369
Jesus Christ oh how Sasuke and Deku have fallen.


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>>136974880 (OP)
Peter would be a terrible parent. He cant even hold a job and make enough money to support his family fully. And doesnt act like a true grown man.

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>>136975225
>And doesnt act like a true grown man.

But that's because people from BND onwards write him like that


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>>136975349
>Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.
Kek.

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>>136975369
>>136975416
I think the anon said that because the begining of buu saga being a "failure".
Which is basically Toriyama doing less freezer/cell shit and more Slump shit so off course the children that grow up with DB will find it weird


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>>136975369
You'll have to excuse him, this is /co/, and anons on /co/ have a habit of making shit up and pulling shit out of their asses like retards, much like most comic writers.

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>>136975369
>>136975416
I think the anon said that because the begining of buu saga being a "failure".
Which is basically Toriyama doing less freezer/cell shit and more Slump shit so off course the children that grow up with DB will find it weird


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>>136975225
>And doesnt act like a true grown man.

But that's because people from BND onwards write him like that

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>>136975467
I'm still mad they wrote Peter to be such an obnoxious creature that Thing told him to fuck off from his wedding despite Peter being a family member of the Fantastic Four


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>>136975467
I'm still mad they wrote Peter to be such an obnoxious creature that Thing told him to fuck off from his wedding despite Peter being a family member of the Fantastic Four

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>>136975501
I think this is part of why people kind of got turned off of Slott's writing


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>>136975510
???


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>>136974880 (OP)
Comic Book editors are under the impression that their target demo doesn't want to read about family men even though characters like Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

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>>136974939
The think low status comic book writers don't understand is that people don't like flawed characters because they're flawed. They like watching them improve. Luke Skywalker's appeal was growing from a back water kid into a master warrior. Ippo was a soft spoken loner who became a pro boxer and world champion. Even sports find their appeal in watching rookies and clowns grow into a team capable of becoming best in the world.


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>>136975510
>Dick has a fucked up romantic life and Babs is arguably one of his worst live interests
>Miles
>Gwen
lmaoooo
have your (You), cunt


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>>136974880 (OP)
>i-it holds him back
>t-there is literally no way to tell good stories with Peter as a family man
are the biggest copes editorial and writers have

That made me think. If you (yes, (You)) had the chance to give Peter his family back again, what would be the one change you'd make to the overall canon that you know readers/anons wouldn't like? Not just specifically related to Peter, but his entire cast.

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>>136975238
Give him a son who turns out to be a jock like Flash.


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>>136975510
>Spider-Cuck
This was posted by a Bejitabro.


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>>136975349
>Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.
Kek.

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>>136975369
More like Toriyama listened to his editor and gave in to the editor's complaints. Android 17 & 18 were created because editor didn't like design for Android 19 & 20. Cell (Imperfect) was created because editor didn't like design for Android 17 & 18. Cell (Semi-Perfect) and Cell (Perfect) were created because editor didn't like initial Cell designs. Goku was eventually bought back to main protagonist status because Gokufags were the manga equivalent of Halfags post-Parallax.


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>>136974880 (OP)
Peter would be a terrible parent. He cant even hold a job and make enough money to support his family fully. And doesnt act like a true grown man.

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>>136975225
He's made to be like that. Shit his wife is a successful model/actress dude shouldn't really have to work at all if he doesn't want to anyway.


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>>136975369
Jesus Christ oh how Sasuke and Deku have fallen.

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>>136975465
Deku was never really that popular to begin with.


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>>136975598
Imagine still believing this when
>Secret Empire was a PR and sales disaster
>Marvel sales are lower than before
>ASM's sales are propped up by a lot of variants and incentive variants which are usually bought by people who don't read the comic

Maybe Marvel keeps saying angry fans buy comics as a way to mask what's really going on with the sales


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>>136975225
>And doesnt act like a true grown man.

But that's because people from BND onwards write him like that

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>>136975467
This. Wally West can do it. If a writer can’t do for Peter what they did for Wally, then they’re shitty hacks.


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>>136974939
The think low status comic book writers don't understand is that people don't like flawed characters because they're flawed. They like watching them improve. Luke Skywalker's appeal was growing from a back water kid into a master warrior. Ippo was a soft spoken loner who became a pro boxer and world champion. Even sports find their appeal in watching rookies and clowns grow into a team capable of becoming best in the world.

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>>136975591
Bingo. Modern entertainment, not just comics seems to be under the delusion of either:

"We need to reset everything to an earlier status quo"

and/or

"Change is good, therefore I can do bad changes and set the characters/story in a worse spot, keep them there, and people will be interested in it"


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>>136974880 (OP)
I know its twitter but its a good breakdown on the history behind this bullshit
https://twitter.com/Exalted_Speed/status/1520002919281614850


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>>136974880 (OP)
>i-it holds him back
>t-there is literally no way to tell good stories with Peter as a family man
are the biggest copes editorial and writers have

That made me think. If you (yes, (You)) had the chance to give Peter his family back again, what would be the one change you'd make to the overall canon that you know readers/anons wouldn't like? Not just specifically related to Peter, but his entire cast.

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>>136975238
>>136975355
Oh, also another cope:

>Sales went down while Peter was married

Peter was married while McFarlane was on Spider-Man. The highest ordered Spider-Man comic was McFarlane's Spider-Man #1, which was three years into the marriage.


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>>136975238
Those aren't their only copes
>P-Peter needs to be young
And then they give his supporting cast children and keep Miles in 616.
>P-Peter needs to be relatable
If they truly believed that, they wouldn't have given the green light to that Parker Industries nonsense Slott did.

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>>136975238
>>136975355
Oh, also another cope:

>Sales went down while Peter was married

Peter was married while McFarlane was on Spider-Man. The highest ordered Spider-Man comic was McFarlane's Spider-Man #1, which was three years into the marriage.


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>>136975467
This. Wally West can do it. If a writer can’t do for Peter what they did for Wally, then they’re shitty hacks.

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>>136975730
I don't even think it's that they can't it's that they don't want too and even if they did there is almost certainly and editorial mandate preventing them. "Peter MUST be an anoying worthless manchild cuck."


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>>136975349
>Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.
Kek.

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>>136975369

>Mafuyu defeated Sasuke, Killua and fucking Luffy.

How did she do it?


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>>136974880 (OP)
Back then it was just because too many Hacks were not able to write a stable marriage or either found it too boring.
Nowdays it also add the retarded politics and people wanting the cheap moral of "moving on/split up/nothing is forever" while calling whoever dares to criticize it with the usual Incel strawman.
The only way to solve this for Good is to hard retcon everything happened after OMD like a bad dream or a retarded alternative universe.... Also because Mephisto being the deux ex machina of every single bad thing happening to Peter because he fears his future daughter is freaking stupid.
P. S. Give us tomboy mayday you freaking Hacks!


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>>136975225
He's made to be like that. Shit his wife is a successful model/actress dude shouldn't really have to work at all if he doesn't want to anyway.

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>>136975661
I think you'd be surprised how little professional models actually make from modelling


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>>136975510
>Tim Drake is in a worse place than Jon
>Atom eve was a cunt and told his husband that she will abort a baby if he doesn't do what she said
>Can't say anything wrong about Gohan although Goku never kissed chichi and they ruined Videl design
>Peter doesn't and shouldn't give a fuck about Miles and aproving him to kiss Gwen made him the most miserable one


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>>136975510
>Spider-Cuck
This was posted by a Bejitabro.

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>>136975625
>organic web shooter
Gross


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>>136975510
>Tim Drake is in a worse place than Jon
>Atom eve was a cunt and told his husband that she will abort a baby if he doesn't do what she said
>Can't say anything wrong about Gohan although Goku never kissed chichi and they ruined Videl design
>Peter doesn't and shouldn't give a fuck about Miles and aproving him to kiss Gwen made him the most miserable one

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>>136975865
>>Atom eve was a cunt and told his husband that she will abort a baby if he doesn't do what she said
Why do ESLs always struggle so much with pronouns?
I consistently see you guys use "his" when referring to a female.


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>>136975349
>Readers in Japan hated his son taking Goku's spotlight.
Kek.

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>>136975369
Anon, that's a modern poll. I'm talking about the past.


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>>136975369
Anon, that's a modern poll. I'm talking about the past.

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>>136975898
BOOOOMMMMM!!!


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>>136975661
I think you'd be surprised how little professional models actually make from modelling

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>>136975854
Maybe in real life but in the comics MJ is usually portrayed as very successful and glamorous and straight up pays Peter's bills sometimes.


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>>136974880 (OP)
>i-it holds him back
>t-there is literally no way to tell good stories with Peter as a family man
are the biggest copes editorial and writers have

That made me think. If you (yes, (You)) had the chance to give Peter his family back again, what would be the one change you'd make to the overall canon that you know readers/anons wouldn't like? Not just specifically related to Peter, but his entire cast.

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>>136975238
>>136975355
>>136975792
I seriously believe that all of those are just a smokescreen for the real reason: Quesada's family drama. Probably why he let Loeb roam free with ruining Ultimate Universe even though Loeb, judging by his writing alone, was clearly not in the best state of mind. Frankly what happened to Loeb is genuinely horrific so while I think he could've used some therapy and adjustment before coming back to write comic books, why he is like that is understandable. Quesada is just a faggot seething over a divorce.


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>>136975238
Those aren't their only copes
>P-Peter needs to be young
And then they give his supporting cast children and keep Miles in 616.
>P-Peter needs to be relatable
If they truly believed that, they wouldn't have given the green light to that Parker Industries nonsense Slott did.

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>>136975238
>>136975355
>>136975792
I seriously believe that all of those are just a smokescreen for the real reason: Quesada's family drama. Probably why he let Loeb roam free with ruining Ultimate Universe even though Loeb, judging by his writing alone, was clearly not in the best state of mind. Frankly what happened to Loeb is genuinely horrific so while I think he could've used some therapy and adjustment before coming back to write comic books, why he is like that is understandable. Quesada is just a faggot seething over a divorce.


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>>136975238
>>136975355
Oh, also another cope:

>Sales went down while Peter was married

Peter was married while McFarlane was on Spider-Man. The highest ordered Spider-Man comic was McFarlane's Spider-Man #1, which was three years into the marriage.

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>>136975238
>>136975355
>>136975792
I seriously believe that all of those are just a smokescreen for the real reason: Quesada's family drama. Probably why he let Loeb roam free with ruining Ultimate Universe even though Loeb, judging by his writing alone, was clearly not in the best state of mind. Frankly what happened to Loeb is genuinely horrific so while I think he could've used some therapy and adjustment before coming back to write comic books, why he is like that is understandable. Quesada is just a faggot seething over a divorce.


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>>136974880 (OP)
It's time for a Chad spiderman.


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>>136975369
Anon, that's a modern poll. I'm talking about the past.

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>>136975898
Gohan was literally always popular until Toriyama fucked him up in the Buu saga. Man's got no one to blame but himself for that one.


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>>136975730
I don't even think it's that they can't it's that they don't want too and even if they did there is almost certainly and editorial mandate preventing them. "Peter MUST be an anoying worthless manchild cuck."

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>>136975807
It's weird to me because more modern media seems obsessed with making Peter Parker act like a big brother/mentor type figure to so many other young superheroes, like the X-men class he looked over, his short time teaching at Avengers Academy, looking after Franklin and Valeria, and all the spider kids that look up to him especially Miles Morales. They're afraid to give him his own kid to sack up and act mature and parental towards, yet he would have almost as many teens and kids clinging to him as Batman if he didn't keep shooing them away.


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>>136975369
Anon, that's a modern poll. I'm talking about the past.

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>>136975898
Bro, just stop, take the L.


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>>136975865
>>Atom eve was a cunt and told his husband that she will abort a baby if he doesn't do what she said
Why do ESLs always struggle so much with pronouns?
I consistently see you guys use "his" when referring to a female.

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>>136975887
Its really funny because my Taiwanese fiancee also struggles with this at times. She'll switch from she/he/his/hers within a single sentence referring to the same person sometimes. Other days she's better, but if she's tired or stressed it gets worse. In her case, its because Mandarin doesn't have a spoke difference in pronouns, only a written one, nor does it have possessive pronouns (instead using a modifying word to indicate ownership).


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>>136975807
It's weird to me because more modern media seems obsessed with making Peter Parker act like a big brother/mentor type figure to so many other young superheroes, like the X-men class he looked over, his short time teaching at Avengers Academy, looking after Franklin and Valeria, and all the spider kids that look up to him especially Miles Morales. They're afraid to give him his own kid to sack up and act mature and parental towards, yet he would have almost as many teens and kids clinging to him as Batman if he didn't keep shooing them away.

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>>136976019
>They're afraid to give him his own kid to sack up and act mature
It's easier to have him do that with people he has no responsibility towards


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>>136975865
>>Atom eve was a cunt and told his husband that she will abort a baby if he doesn't do what she said
Why do ESLs always struggle so much with pronouns?
I consistently see you guys use "his" when referring to a female.

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>>136975887
People have mistakes sometimes, like the people who use your and you're or use the past tense when they already used didn't.


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>>136975225
He's made to be like that. Shit his wife is a successful model/actress dude shouldn't really have to work at all if he doesn't want to anyway.

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>>136975661
Exactly hes a underachiving beta cuck loser who lets women do the hard work and bread winning while he sets himself being a self destructive ass clown.


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>>136974880 (OP)
I'm sure they'll give him a family sooner or later, it's just has to be done carefully and with enough time.


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>>136975887
People have mistakes sometimes, like the people who use your and you're or use the past tense when they already used didn't.

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>>136976148
Fair enough, I see plenty of that even from native English speakers.


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>>136975467
This. Wally West can do it. If a writer can’t do for Peter what they did for Wally, then they’re shitty hacks.

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>>136975730
Wally West posses god like power and a famkly of freaks like hik to help him pick up his slack from his various responsibilites. Peter lives in near poverity and has no idea what or hownto organize his crime fighting duties without elreacting to them one at a time which is time consuming since his powerset is counter priductive and weak to use fully without being a total full own scientist.

Peter is never gonna be like Barry or Wally, hes to weak or too poor or too simple minded to truly be dependable to family fully. And thata his charm kinda.


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>>136975369
More like Toriyama listened to his editor and gave in to the editor's complaints. Android 17 & 18 were created because editor didn't like design for Android 19 & 20. Cell (Imperfect) was created because editor didn't like design for Android 17 & 18. Cell (Semi-Perfect) and Cell (Perfect) were created because editor didn't like initial Cell designs. Goku was eventually bought back to main protagonist status because Gokufags were the manga equivalent of Halfags post-Parallax.

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>>136975656
Except Toriyama brought Goku back of his own volition. He realised as he was writing Gohan that he wasn't really cut out as the main hero so he switched back to Goku.


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>>136975225
>And doesnt act like a true grown man.

But that's because people from BND onwards write him like that

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>>136975467
Even in his marriage years, he was a bit of a neurotic geek and bumbling youngster comparer to his heroic peers and friends. He couldnt hack it as a teacher because he cant balance his spiderman life and mj kip getting kidnapped and he had so much baggage being responsible for being an avenger and tonys little helper. He just wasnt truly a man to me.


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>>136974880 (OP)
It's time for a Chad spiderman.

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>>136975954
Spider-Man by is very nature cant be one.


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>>136974939
Goku and Peter are practically opposite characters. Goku is a born fighter. Peter is a nerdy weakling who was given power out of nowhere. Goku's grandpa is already dead and he lives on his own having had no contact with people. Peter lived the normal life of a 60s teen. Goku never really loses anything. Peter failed Ben and Gwen and they died, fucking dead-dead. He wants a family so Peter having a family is a happily ever after situation for him, unlike idiot Goku for whom it's "oh, guess I have a family now lol"

My kids love this Spiderverse shit and I don't know how I feel about a young Gwen or Peter B doing the Bat-dad thing but that specific model for an adult Peter who is currently separated from MJ but hopes they'll reconcile is a good place to have an adult Peter character.


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>>136974880 (OP)
Comic Book editors are under the impression that their target demo doesn't want to read about family men even though characters like Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

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>>136974880 (OP)
>>136974939
Goku and Peter are practically opposite characters. Goku is a born fighter. Peter is a nerdy weakling who was given power out of nowhere. Goku's grandpa is already dead and he lives on his own having had no contact with people. Peter lived the normal life of a 60s teen. Goku never really loses anything. Peter failed Ben and Gwen and they died, fucking dead-dead. He wants a family so Peter having a family is a happily ever after situation for him, unlike idiot Goku for whom it's "oh, guess I have a family now lol"

My kids love this Spiderverse shit and I don't know how I feel about a young Gwen or Peter B doing the Bat-dad thing but that specific model for an adult Peter who is currently separated from MJ but hopes they'll reconcile is a good place to have an adult Peter character.


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>>136974939
Goku and Peter are practically opposite characters. Goku is a born fighter. Peter is a nerdy weakling who was given power out of nowhere. Goku's grandpa is already dead and he lives on his own having had no contact with people. Peter lived the normal life of a 60s teen. Goku never really loses anything. Peter failed Ben and Gwen and they died, fucking dead-dead. He wants a family so Peter having a family is a happily ever after situation for him, unlike idiot Goku for whom it's "oh, guess I have a family now lol"

My kids love this Spiderverse shit and I don't know how I feel about a young Gwen or Peter B doing the Bat-dad thing but that specific model for an adult Peter who is currently separated from MJ but hopes they'll reconcile is a good place to have an adult Peter character.

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>>136976476
Cool


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>>136974880 (OP)
Because they hate what they can't have


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>>136974939
Goku and Peter are practically opposite characters. Goku is a born fighter. Peter is a nerdy weakling who was given power out of nowhere. Goku's grandpa is already dead and he lives on his own having had no contact with people. Peter lived the normal life of a 60s teen. Goku never really loses anything. Peter failed Ben and Gwen and they died, fucking dead-dead. He wants a family so Peter having a family is a happily ever after situation for him, unlike idiot Goku for whom it's "oh, guess I have a family now lol"

My kids love this Spiderverse shit and I don't know how I feel about a young Gwen or Peter B doing the Bat-dad thing but that specific model for an adult Peter who is currently separated from MJ but hopes they'll reconcile is a good place to have an adult Peter character.

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>>136976476
Peter B is back with his wife and has a kid now though.


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>>136975510
FTFY


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>>136975510
FTFY

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>>136978843
>>136975510
>Miles
>not Mayday
get the rope


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>>136978843
>>136975510
>Miles
>not Mayday
get the rope


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>>136974880 (OP)
I'm sure they'll give him a family sooner or later, it's just has to be done carefully and with enough time.

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>>136976200
Sweet


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>>136975510
FTFY

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>>136978843
>falling for the "Goku is a bad father" meme


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>>136978843
>falling for the "Goku is a bad father" meme

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>>136979159
Vegeta is the better father especially in Super.


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[User] Why do writers hate this so much?

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>>136974880 (OP)
Because it's an end state.

The same reason fairy tales end after the marriage. The same reason sitcoms end a season or so after they resolve their "will they, won't theys"

If they're happy, you can just walk away.

Pete and MJ were married for 20 years of comics, and while there are some master strokes in there, such as Kraven's Last Hunt- most of them were not good- either in terms of writing, nor in terms of how their relationship worked- either she was a big titty reward at the end of an arc or they were struggling over stupid things because the drama of married people with each other is space requiring, character heavy work in a 24 page book. They spent two years packaging him up to be replaced by himself, but less intellectual and without the supporting cast, and it went over like a lead balloon. Mary Jane and Peter fought, separated, got pregnant, Mary Jane mysteriously died but actually no, and then they were split up. People love the Straczynski era, but what makes it work is that they were split- and that, like a death, is a trick you can only pull off a handful of times before it loses all meaning.

The marriage was a bad idea. The way out of it was a much, much worse idea- Quesada gets unfairly demonized, but he is an idiot and a shit writer with catholicism related brain-rot. But the end state is more versatile, lends itself to new stories and supporting characters, and writers- good ones, like Morrison or Busiek- prefer it.


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>>136979159
Vegeta is the better father especially in Super.

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>>136979439
Vegeta is a cuck.


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>>136975656
Except Toriyama brought Goku back of his own volition. He realised as he was writing Gohan that he wasn't really cut out as the main hero so he switched back to Goku.

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>>136976269
Incorrect.
"He realized it" because Japanese fans were super-sperging.


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>>136974880 (OP)
>>136974939
I don't think they necessarily "hate" the idea, but rather lazy and greedy. Think about it: you can endlessly cocktease undoing OMD for easy sales, do alt reality books like OP's pic, and on their end they can write easy contrived drama without much effort. If they really don't like the "dude we don't want to date our characters" then they really shouldn't have done so with literally EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER SURROUNDING PETER. Here's the score so far:
>Reed and Sue have two kids in their early teens
>Ben and Alicia adopted two alien kids
>Eddie Brock has a teenaged son
>Betty Brandt has a baby
>Luke Cage and Jessica Jones have a toddler
>Tigra has her son (currently dating Moon Knight)
>Hank Pym's teenage daughter, Nadia Pym
>Vision's daughter, Viv
>Scott Summers has a teenage Cable
>Harry Osborn (RIP) has two kids
Have I made my fucking point yet?


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>>136974880 (OP)
Comic Book editors are under the impression that their target demo doesn't want to read about family men even though characters like Goku only got popular after becoming a dad

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>>136974880 (OP)
>>136974939
I don't think they necessarily "hate" the idea, but rather lazy and greedy. Think about it: you can endlessly cocktease undoing OMD for easy sales, do alt reality books like OP's pic, and on their end they can write easy contrived drama without much effort. If they really don't like the "dude we don't want to date our characters" then they really shouldn't have done so with literally EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER SURROUNDING PETER. Here's the score so far:
>Reed and Sue have two kids in their early teens
>Ben and Alicia adopted two alien kids
>Eddie Brock has a teenaged son
>Betty Brandt has a baby
>Luke Cage and Jessica Jones have a toddler
>Tigra has her son (currently dating Moon Knight)
>Hank Pym's teenage daughter, Nadia Pym
>Vision's daughter, Viv
>Scott Summers has a teenage Cable
>Harry Osborn (RIP) has two kids
Have I made my fucking point yet?