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>>136656587
It's better than X and Underground.

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>>136656645
Being better than X and Underground isn't a high bar to clear.

>>136657933
>It's crazy to think that Blaze and Silver haven't appeared in an official Sonic animation(anime or cartoon) yet.

It's hard for westerners as it is to grasp Sonic according to SEGA. You start adding other dimensional princesses or time travelers and it just becomes a mess no one wants to deal with.


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>>136657703
It's crazy to think that Blaze and Silver haven't appeared in an official Sonic animation(anime or cartoon) yet.

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>>136656645
Being better than X and Underground isn't a high bar to clear.

>>136657933
>It's crazy to think that Blaze and Silver haven't appeared in an official Sonic animation(anime or cartoon) yet.

It's hard for westerners as it is to grasp Sonic according to SEGA. You start adding other dimensional princesses or time travelers and it just becomes a mess no one wants to deal with.


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>>136656682
>Sonic is supposed to be to Mario what Looney Tunes is to Mickey.
Honestly, Sonic hasn't been "experimental" since his jump from Genesis to Dreamcast with Adventure. That game radically introduced a different style of gameplay, redesigned his look, redefined the world, and reworked what kind of 'tude he had. Games like Unleashed, Black Knight, or Secret Rings aren't really experimental, they're just trying to find a gimmick to attach to the Adventure-style gameplay. Mario does the same thing, except people actually like his gimmicks.

Shadow the Hedgehog is pretty fucking experimental even though it's still derivative off of the 3D gameplay and writing, but it's more experimental for its content and the idea that Sonic Team would give a Sonic character a fucking gun. The game itself still plays like Adventure / Sonic Heroes and all the characters still act like they have been in all the other 3D games.

[Assistant]
>>136656723
>Honestly, Sonic hasn't been "experimental" since his jump from Genesis to Dreamcast with Adventure.
Sonic Boom was looking to be more experimental, but almost no one was even willing to give it much of a chance from the start. Even Sega had no faith in it and went out of their way to sabotage the whole project.

>>136658465
>Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.
Honestly this, it really feels like the Sonic fanbase is so insecure about their own character that they constantly want to prioritize Sonic being "cool" over actually good.


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>>136656682
>Looney Tunes is to Mickey.
Bad argument, Mickey's content was 100 times better than LT as a whole. To this day for every good part about LT that is basically just Bugs, Daffy and Road Runner Episode (of which, not all of them were good), the House of Mouse, The Three Musketeers, Fantasia, and the platoria of Mickey Shorts will always stay in my mind palace far more than most LT episodes. Hell, I prefer Tom and Jerry over LT.

Enough of this fucking Mario shit. It's been 30 years, Sonic died to Mario since SA1 and hasn't been relevant to console war shit since. Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.

[Assistant]
>>136656723
>Honestly, Sonic hasn't been "experimental" since his jump from Genesis to Dreamcast with Adventure.
Sonic Boom was looking to be more experimental, but almost no one was even willing to give it much of a chance from the start. Even Sega had no faith in it and went out of their way to sabotage the whole project.

>>136658465
>Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.
Honestly this, it really feels like the Sonic fanbase is so insecure about their own character that they constantly want to prioritize Sonic being "cool" over actually good.


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>>136656587
It's better than X and Underground.

[Assistant]
>>136656645
What did you say bitch? Oh hell no, uncle chuck is on his way to your house to rape you now bitch, it's over


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[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

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>>136656331 (OP)
Batch release plus mediocrity


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>meanwhile sega is trying to buy out the angry birds developer
what fucking lame excuse of a company can't die sooner

[Assistant]
>>136656439
They really couldn't have used any of that $1 billion to just make a better cartoon?


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>>136657317
Sonic Boom also bothered to design a bunch of original characters who got to play off the cast. Dave the Intern, Barker, Comedy Chimp.
Sonic Boom made selfaware jokes about itself in-show how low their budget was and how they couldn’t be bothered to animate things because they’re cancelled anyway. Like Knuckles gets back from his job and they joke how they had a huge all-original fightscene totally not recycling the same cyclops robot they fight in the same way literally every episode, but it all happened offscreen.
Sonic Prime is literally worse animated and designed than a show that proudly professed how bad their 3d assets/animation was.

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>>136656682
>Looney Tunes is to Mickey.
Bad argument, Mickey's content was 100 times better than LT as a whole. To this day for every good part about LT that is basically just Bugs, Daffy and Road Runner Episode (of which, not all of them were good), the House of Mouse, The Three Musketeers, Fantasia, and the platoria of Mickey Shorts will always stay in my mind palace far more than most LT episodes. Hell, I prefer Tom and Jerry over LT.

Enough of this fucking Mario shit. It's been 30 years, Sonic died to Mario since SA1 and hasn't been relevant to console war shit since. Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.

[Assistant]
>>136658465
Shut up mariotranny


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>>136656718
X was ruined by Chris Thorndyke, flanderization of the cast, and having a low animation budget. The Japanese dub doesn’t fix its problems.

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>>136657413
>flanderization of the cast
Really? I thought they were pretty in-character for the most part, considering X had people involved from Sonic Team and some writers even contributed to the games such as Unleashed and 06.

Also Chris is a fine character, you people just hate subtext.


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[User] It should’ve been 2D, it’s kinda hard to do a show of this premise using such limited assets so you’re stuck with shit like them constantly reusing Green Hill Zone and having only a few characters to use

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>>136662651
No, they’re just being cheap. Reusing assets is standard practice. These guys are just too obvious with it. 2D would be more expensive in the long run.


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>>136656331 (OP)
Because it was generic, safe and by the numbers
Sonic is supposed to be to Mario what Looney Tunes is to Mickey. The more offbeat, alternative, "cool" version that isn't afraid of experimentation. This, despite giving the pretense it was going to be, wasn't. It's meddled too hard by mandates that make it too safe and ultimately boring

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>>136656682
>It's meddled too hard by mandates that make it too safe and ultimately boring
Or maybe it’s just bad writing. Mandates are standard practice, dude.


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[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

[Assistant]
>>136656331 (OP)
Binge culture does that.
Why the fuck would I care about a show over the course of a year when it comes out all in a single day, a few more days of talking about it, and moving on


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Blaze is not in it. Silver’s not in it. Cream’s not in it. The Chaotix aren’t in it. Metal Sonic’s not in it.
But oh, oh sweet lord have mercy, thank god they made BIG THE CAT a main character in it.

[Assistant]
>>136657703
Blaze and Silver are mandated ot never ever appear, because that inherently relies on expanding on where they came form and SoJ doesn't want to do that because they "totally for really bro" have plans to expand on the Sol Dimension and Silver's future.


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>>136656682
>It's meddled too hard by mandates that make it too safe and ultimately boring
Or maybe it’s just bad writing. Mandates are standard practice, dude.

[Assistant]
>>136662840
mandates like the kind SEGA shits out, very much are not.


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>>136656682
>Looney Tunes is to Mickey.
Bad argument, Mickey's content was 100 times better than LT as a whole. To this day for every good part about LT that is basically just Bugs, Daffy and Road Runner Episode (of which, not all of them were good), the House of Mouse, The Three Musketeers, Fantasia, and the platoria of Mickey Shorts will always stay in my mind palace far more than most LT episodes. Hell, I prefer Tom and Jerry over LT.

Enough of this fucking Mario shit. It's been 30 years, Sonic died to Mario since SA1 and hasn't been relevant to console war shit since. Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.

[Assistant]
>>136658465
>Mario
>good
This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother. You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality. Fuck off.


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>>136662840
mandates like the kind SEGA shits out, very much are not.

[Assistant]
>>136663231
The mandates aren’t even bad. The comic writers just complain about them because they can’t do whatever they want with characters they don’t own.


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>>136657703
Blaze and Silver are mandated ot never ever appear, because that inherently relies on expanding on where they came form and SoJ doesn't want to do that because they "totally for really bro" have plans to expand on the Sol Dimension and Silver's future.

[Assistant]
>>136663212
Silver's future I get because that involves a lot of things with implications on present characters but what expansion is stopping them from using the Sol Dimension?


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>>136658465
>Mario
>good
This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother. You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality. Fuck off.

[Assistant]
>>136663235
Not everything has to be “high art”. Movies can just be fun and entertaining. Stop being pretentious.


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>>136656682
>It's meddled too hard by mandates that make it too safe and ultimately boring
Or maybe it’s just bad writing. Mandates are standard practice, dude.

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>>136662840
Fuck off, retard. I was there when that stupid post was made and it was still called out for being terribly retarded and missing the fucking point; that having mandates as intrusive and fucking limiting as Sega's means YOU HAVE NO FUCKING STORY. Even the Boom Writers couldn't use 99% of the Sonic cast or actually DO anything with the setting and universe (Big alone had so many mandates around him that they didn't even bother, and the Chaotix are bound up in so many that only Vector could appear in the show for a single episode only), which is why it was all OC's and nothing else.

They also tried to use the mandates to control how Paramount would depict things, but Paramount was big enough to simply tell them to fuck off the vast majority of the time.


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>>136658465
>Mario
>good
This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother. You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality. Fuck off.

[Assistant]
>>136663235
Mario is much better than Sonic in every single way. As of the movie and the Sonicmetaera Mario even has more soul.


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>>136657413
>flanderization of the cast
Really? I thought they were pretty in-character for the most part, considering X had people involved from Sonic Team and some writers even contributed to the games such as Unleashed and 06.

Also Chris is a fine character, you people just hate subtext.

[Assistant]
>>136662596
I agree with everything you just said

>Also Chris is a fine character
Except this


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>>136663231
The mandates aren’t even bad. The comic writers just complain about them because they can’t do whatever they want with characters they don’t own.

[Assistant]
>>136663336
>The mandates aren’t even bad.
The Boom writers have bitched about the mandates. The movie writers have brought them up in the negative, despite not being as bound to them as everyone else is. Even the Prime writers have brought them up offhsndedly as limiting what they can do.

Fuck off with this "it's just the comic writers!" narrative revisionism. EVERYONE hates the mandates.


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>>136663231
The mandates aren’t even bad. The comic writers just complain about them because they can’t do whatever they want with characters they don’t own.

[Assistant]
>>136663336
The mandates are absolutely terrible for trying to create any serious long-form setting like IDW is clearly designed to be.
It wouldn't be bad if the entire comic were just small episodic silly shorts like the Classic minis, but for a longform serious tory like it wants to be? No, the mandates are absolutely strangling. Can't have lore, can't have stakes, can't have history, can't have romance, can't have powerlevelz, can't even have real settings. It's dogshit and sega are dogshit for pushing them at every avenue.


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>>136663231
The mandates aren’t even bad. The comic writers just complain about them because they can’t do whatever they want with characters they don’t own.

[Assistant]
>>136663336
>The mandates aren’t even bad.
How can you say that without even knowing what they are?


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>cyberpunk AU
>caveman AU
>pirate AU
>all of which have the exact same characters in them
Might as well throw in a high school AU since you're so committed to being as unambitious as possible.

[Assistant]
>>136663520
Nine and Rusty are fairly good deviations from the norm, with New Yoke itself being the best of the displayed worlds and the pirate AU actually was decent.

The problem is that that's not enough to carry an entire show.


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>>136663336
The mandates are absolutely terrible for trying to create any serious long-form setting like IDW is clearly designed to be.
It wouldn't be bad if the entire comic were just small episodic silly shorts like the Classic minis, but for a longform serious tory like it wants to be? No, the mandates are absolutely strangling. Can't have lore, can't have stakes, can't have history, can't have romance, can't have powerlevelz, can't even have real settings. It's dogshit and sega are dogshit for pushing them at every avenue.

[Assistant]
>>136663443
The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books. For early Archie, there were no mandates imposed on the book because Sega didn’t really care as long as Archie paid the licensing fees. It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.


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>>136663336
>The mandates aren’t even bad.
How can you say that without even knowing what they are?

[Assistant]
>>136663471
We know some of them.


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>>136663520
Nine and Rusty are fairly good deviations from the norm, with New Yoke itself being the best of the displayed worlds and the pirate AU actually was decent.

The problem is that that's not enough to carry an entire show.

[Assistant]
>>136663552
pirate AU was trash. Had nothing to do with Knuckles, was absolutely empty because they can't be bothered to animate countries or foreign lands since that would require they model character to fill the background, we know butt-nothing about any of the other variants in it, it's just them sitting on a boat eating food and throwing a birthday party to themselves.


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>>136663443
The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books. For early Archie, there were no mandates imposed on the book because Sega didn’t really care as long as Archie paid the licensing fees. It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.

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>>136663561
>The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books.
And that is narrative-fucking poison if you're trying to create an actual world and setting. Again, even the Boom and movie writers have called out the mandates as being not only way too controlling, but fucking unhinged in how they're presented.

>It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.
No, they only started meddling when Penders' and his lawsuit came about. They still didn't care, even late into the run.


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>>136662840
Fuck off, retard. I was there when that stupid post was made and it was still called out for being terribly retarded and missing the fucking point; that having mandates as intrusive and fucking limiting as Sega's means YOU HAVE NO FUCKING STORY. Even the Boom Writers couldn't use 99% of the Sonic cast or actually DO anything with the setting and universe (Big alone had so many mandates around him that they didn't even bother, and the Chaotix are bound up in so many that only Vector could appear in the show for a single episode only), which is why it was all OC's and nothing else.

They also tried to use the mandates to control how Paramount would depict things, but Paramount was big enough to simply tell them to fuck off the vast majority of the time.

[Assistant]
>>136663360
Everything has guidelines attached to it, dude. Especially licensed material. IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters. That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex. Sonic’s meant to be a family friendly franchise. And outside material MUST reflect that.


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>>136663561
>The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books.
And that is narrative-fucking poison if you're trying to create an actual world and setting. Again, even the Boom and movie writers have called out the mandates as being not only way too controlling, but fucking unhinged in how they're presented.

>It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.
No, they only started meddling when Penders' and his lawsuit came about. They still didn't care, even late into the run.

[Assistant]
>>136663624
The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.


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>>136663624
The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

[Assistant]
>>136663755
That was a mistake imo. The game world is too vague and ever changing to have a continuous series set in it


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>>136663336
The mandates are absolutely terrible for trying to create any serious long-form setting like IDW is clearly designed to be.
It wouldn't be bad if the entire comic were just small episodic silly shorts like the Classic minis, but for a longform serious tory like it wants to be? No, the mandates are absolutely strangling. Can't have lore, can't have stakes, can't have history, can't have romance, can't have powerlevelz, can't even have real settings. It's dogshit and sega are dogshit for pushing them at every avenue.

[Assistant]
>>136663443
>The mandates are absolutely terrible for trying to create any serious long-form setting like IDW is clearly designed to be.
That’s because the writers are overstepping their bounds by doing more than they’re supposed to. Plenty of actual professionals are able to deliver within said mandates. Episodic adventures would work perfectly with them. But Ian and Evan don’t want to do that. They’re still in their edgy fan comic phase.


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>>136656683
Did they make the show just to make and sell gacha alts?

[Assistant]
>>136658274
Why did they give tails a hydrocephalus alt


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>>136658274
Why did they give tails a hydrocephalus alt

[Assistant]
>>136663825
Movie Tails


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>>136663336
>The mandates aren’t even bad.
The Boom writers have bitched about the mandates. The movie writers have brought them up in the negative, despite not being as bound to them as everyone else is. Even the Prime writers have brought them up offhsndedly as limiting what they can do.

Fuck off with this "it's just the comic writers!" narrative revisionism. EVERYONE hates the mandates.

[Assistant]
>>136663418
Writers always bitch when they have to be limited by outside sources. That’s just how things work. Especially when you’re working with an established IP. Limitations aren’t an issue. In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative instead of being complacent in their writing.


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>>136663755
That was a mistake imo. The game world is too vague and ever changing to have a continuous series set in it

[Assistant]
>>136663784
Which is why Sega gives them guidelines so they know what they’re working with.


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>>136663360
Everything has guidelines attached to it, dude. Especially licensed material. IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters. That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex. Sonic’s meant to be a family friendly franchise. And outside material MUST reflect that.

[Assistant]
>>136663708
>>136663755
Why is it so hard for Sonicfags to understand that a franchise can have multiple continuities that can be very different from each other.
I swear you'd have an aneurysm if you watched Transformers G1 and Beast Wars back-to-back.


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>>136663624
The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

[Assistant]
>>136663708
>>136663755
Why is it so hard for Sonicfags to understand that a franchise can have multiple continuities that can be very different from each other.
I swear you'd have an aneurysm if you watched Transformers G1 and Beast Wars back-to-back.


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[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

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>>136656331 (OP)
I'm still seeing plenty of fanart from the show. It's talked about as much as Frontiers and the movies. Although right now the Murder of Sonic game is getting the most attention because it's the newest. Also there's the leak that a lot of people are talking about.


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>>136663708
>>136663755
Why is it so hard for Sonicfags to understand that a franchise can have multiple continuities that can be very different from each other.
I swear you'd have an aneurysm if you watched Transformers G1 and Beast Wars back-to-back.

[Assistant]
>>136663871
Because IDW isn’t meant to be its own continuity. It’s a licensed comic based on the games. Therefore, it needs to reflect the shit that’s in those games. Because it’s based on the games, they need to follow these guidelines to keep everything on-brand. Also, Sega doesn’t want multiple continuities based on their IP. Game-related and movie-related are all that they’re okay with. Nothing more than that.


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>>136663360
Everything has guidelines attached to it, dude. Especially licensed material. IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters. That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex. Sonic’s meant to be a family friendly franchise. And outside material MUST reflect that.

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>>136663708
>>136663755
>>136663853
Once again, you retards have completely fucking missed the point because you are unhinged and obsessed. Thank fucking god the movies and Boom exist so I don't need to listen to your retarded asses. Enjoy the same stale runny shit IDW is serving you though - I'm sure any day now, the mandates will produce a quality product.


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>>136663624
The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

[Assistant]
>>136663708
>>136663755
>>136663853
Once again, you retards have completely fucking missed the point because you are unhinged and obsessed. Thank fucking god the movies and Boom exist so I don't need to listen to your retarded asses. Enjoy the same stale runny shit IDW is serving you though - I'm sure any day now, the mandates will produce a quality product.


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>>136663418
Writers always bitch when they have to be limited by outside sources. That’s just how things work. Especially when you’re working with an established IP. Limitations aren’t an issue. In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative instead of being complacent in their writing.

[Assistant]
>>136663708
>>136663755
>>136663853
Once again, you retards have completely fucking missed the point because you are unhinged and obsessed. Thank fucking god the movies and Boom exist so I don't need to listen to your retarded asses. Enjoy the same stale runny shit IDW is serving you though - I'm sure any day now, the mandates will produce a quality product.


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>>136663418
Writers always bitch when they have to be limited by outside sources. That’s just how things work. Especially when you’re working with an established IP. Limitations aren’t an issue. In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative instead of being complacent in their writing.

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>>136663853
>LIMITATIONS FORCE YOU TO GET CREATIVE
Name 10 writers.


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>>136656723
>Honestly, Sonic hasn't been "experimental" since his jump from Genesis to Dreamcast with Adventure.
Sonic Boom was looking to be more experimental, but almost no one was even willing to give it much of a chance from the start. Even Sega had no faith in it and went out of their way to sabotage the whole project.

>>136658465
>Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.
Honestly this, it really feels like the Sonic fanbase is so insecure about their own character that they constantly want to prioritize Sonic being "cool" over actually good.

[Assistant]
>>136660302
>it really feels like GAMING is so insecure about SONIC that they constantly want to prioritize Sonic being "cool" over actually good.

FTFY.

The general gaming community wants a very surface level with Sonic. Sonic goes brr fast. Roll in ball. Fight robots. Get Emeroods.

The minute shit starts to get serious, normies start to cringe at the sight and abandon the blue rat

>>136662840
>Mandates are standard practice, dude.
>literally boil down to "keep everyone in character"

Brand Consistency & Corporate Mandates don't mean much in the long run if all they ensure is a mediocre product only kids accept.


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>>136656682
>It's meddled too hard by mandates that make it too safe and ultimately boring
Or maybe it’s just bad writing. Mandates are standard practice, dude.

[Assistant]
>>136660302
>it really feels like GAMING is so insecure about SONIC that they constantly want to prioritize Sonic being "cool" over actually good.

FTFY.

The general gaming community wants a very surface level with Sonic. Sonic goes brr fast. Roll in ball. Fight robots. Get Emeroods.

The minute shit starts to get serious, normies start to cringe at the sight and abandon the blue rat

>>136662840
>Mandates are standard practice, dude.
>literally boil down to "keep everyone in character"

Brand Consistency & Corporate Mandates don't mean much in the long run if all they ensure is a mediocre product only kids accept.


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>>136663708
>>136663755
Why is it so hard for Sonicfags to understand that a franchise can have multiple continuities that can be very different from each other.
I swear you'd have an aneurysm if you watched Transformers G1 and Beast Wars back-to-back.

[Assistant]
>>136663871
Most of these weren’t going around the same time. They were tie-ins to whatever the toy line was doing at the time. Every time the toy line reboots, you get a new cartoon. The movies were a different case altogether.


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>>136663871
Because IDW isn’t meant to be its own continuity. It’s a licensed comic based on the games. Therefore, it needs to reflect the shit that’s in those games. Because it’s based on the games, they need to follow these guidelines to keep everything on-brand. Also, Sega doesn’t want multiple continuities based on their IP. Game-related and movie-related are all that they’re okay with. Nothing more than that.

[Assistant]
>>136663936
If literally any of this were true, then Sega would have stopped licensing Sonic out years ago - which guess what? They still do. He'll, they've had different conyinuities since the very first Shogakukan issue, a manga which was purely Japanese. IDW isn't even supplementary to the games either, since they explicitly contradict each other, and that's not on Ian or Evan - that's on Sega for being retarded and having no idea what they're doing.

>t-they accept movie-related thoughts
Because Paramount is big and powerful enough to tell SoJ to fuck off and take its mandates with it. They literally gave the rights to that entire branch of the franchise over to them.


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>>136656331 (OP)
Because it was so mid, it's just the generic multiverse story kids are into these days with Sega mandated Sonic characters added into it.
No clever writing and funny jokes like Sonic Boom', and they censored Amy and Rouge so furries can't jack off it to it, this show is the definition of average.

[Assistant]
>>136656587
It really didn't make use of its cast of characters or their personalities. The entire thing seems to revolve around a bratty version of Sonic and how all his friends are just tired of him. There isn't much there if you're a Sonic fan beyond basic cartoon entertainment, and even that felt pretty thin.


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[User] >>136657428

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>>136662425
That wasn't bait though. That anon speaks the truth.


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>>136663784
Which is why Sega gives them guidelines so they know what they’re working with.

[Assistant]
>>136663870
>so they know what they’re working with
But they don't know what they're working with. The game world is vague and keeps retconning itself. We don't even know how Silver time travels anymore.


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[User] Once again, fanboys continue to bitch and moan when they have ZERO knowledge of licensing and standard business practices.

[Assistant]
>>136664043
>t. Iizuka


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>>136663870
>so they know what they’re working with
But they don't know what they're working with. The game world is vague and keeps retconning itself. We don't even know how Silver time travels anymore.

[Assistant]
>>136664045
Anon, don't bother. The guy is a shitposter from /sthg/ - he ALWAYS does this whenever anyone calls out the mandates as being unhinged. The moment he started bringing up "it should be purely episodic", I knew exactly who it was.


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>>136663936
If literally any of this were true, then Sega would have stopped licensing Sonic out years ago - which guess what? They still do. He'll, they've had different conyinuities since the very first Shogakukan issue, a manga which was purely Japanese. IDW isn't even supplementary to the games either, since they explicitly contradict each other, and that's not on Ian or Evan - that's on Sega for being retarded and having no idea what they're doing.

>t-they accept movie-related thoughts
Because Paramount is big and powerful enough to tell SoJ to fuck off and take its mandates with it. They literally gave the rights to that entire branch of the franchise over to them.

[Assistant]
>>136664020
IDW isn’t really set in the same continuity as the games. It’s just supposed to look like it is. Licensing out your IP is good money. But you also have to instill guidelines along with it to protect it. Don’t want some rando writer coming along and doing crazy things with your characters and having that reflect on the IP as a whole. Standard practice that most companies do and enforce.


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>>136663360
Everything has guidelines attached to it, dude. Especially licensed material. IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters. That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex. Sonic’s meant to be a family friendly franchise. And outside material MUST reflect that.

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>>136663708
>That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex

That be the best thing for the franchise since that time they killed Sonic on a train and blamed it on Espio


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[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

[Assistant]
>>136656331 (OP)
They shouldn't have cut out that 15 minute flashback sex scene between Tails and Rouge. It really confused the mood when Tails doesn't answer how she knows where he lives and why she keeps biting her lip at him


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>>136663708
>That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex

That be the best thing for the franchise since that time they killed Sonic on a train and blamed it on Espio

[Assistant]
>>136664162
Sonic is a family friendly franchise. And Sonic didn’t actually die in that. He just got knocked out.


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>>136664020
IDW isn’t really set in the same continuity as the games. It’s just supposed to look like it is. Licensing out your IP is good money. But you also have to instill guidelines along with it to protect it. Don’t want some rando writer coming along and doing crazy things with your characters and having that reflect on the IP as a whole. Standard practice that most companies do and enforce.

[Assistant]
>>136664119
>But you also have to instill guidelines along with it to protect it. Don’t want some rando writer coming along and doing crazy things with your characters and having that reflect on the IP as a whole.
That's literally never been a problem for Sega. Everything that isn't the games is explicitly its own continuity. And the Shogakukan manga, which was purely Japan-written and released before any other non-game continuity came out, ended up being far more inventive and crazier than anything IDW has ever done, as well as being the first place where Amy ever shows up - and shockingly, none of the wacky stuff from Shogakukan ended up "reflecting on the brand".

This non-zrgument is fucking hilarious because nobody but the most demented grognards could actually believe it. Sega has ALWAYS divorced any continuity not from the games, and 99% of the time they're better for it. Until Frontiers, people cared more about the movies than they ever have the most recent stuff in the Modern continuity.


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>>136657413
>flanderization of the cast
Really? I thought they were pretty in-character for the most part, considering X had people involved from Sonic Team and some writers even contributed to the games such as Unleashed and 06.

Also Chris is a fine character, you people just hate subtext.

[Assistant]
>>136662596
Knuckles was always angry for no reason. Amy was a complete psycho with no redeemable aspects, even Sonic Battle Amy was a good Mom to Emerl. Tails was completely useless. Sonic was this boring asshat that slept all the time.
>Also Chris is a fine character
He’s literally the Poochie of Sonic X. He even fucks off to his home planet at the end.


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[User] Spider-Man has mandates too. Sony can have the movie rights as long as they stay within these guidelines.

[Assistant]
>>136664865
No one cares nigga


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[User] Spider-Man has mandates too. Sony can have the movie rights as long as they stay within these guidelines.

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>>136664865
I’ve yet to see where in that it says “No character in the entire verse may have any romance, ever. You may not give names to characters except the main ones. You may not show the passage of time. You may not give any of the characters a backstory or family. You may not allow any of the villains to do the stuff that X villain can do” etcetera


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[User] Spider-Man has mandates too. Sony can have the movie rights as long as they stay within these guidelines.

[Assistant]
>>136664865
Meanwhile at Sega
>no humans
>no kingdoms or government
>no money
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose


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>>136664865
Meanwhile at Sega
>no humans
>no kingdoms or government
>no money
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose

[Assistant]
>>136665022
you forgot
>no character development
>no relationships other than greeting each other


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>>136658465
>Mario
>good
This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother. You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality. Fuck off.

[Assistant]
>>136663235
>This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother.
And yet you replied, faggot

>You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality.
But Sonic is more popular than Mario triple retard.
Mario's games are industry standard, the only thing left among today's market of shovelware that's still 90s era grade A good. Even Zelda is dying and Pokemon was never good like Sonic after going 3D.


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>>136656683
Three hottest girls in the entire series

[Assistant]
>>136656903

I don't see Maria anywhere in this picture.


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>>136656331 (OP)
They shouldn't have cut out that 15 minute flashback sex scene between Tails and Rouge. It really confused the mood when Tails doesn't answer how she knows where he lives and why she keeps biting her lip at him

[Assistant]
>>136664227
Yeah it was confusing but you can piece it together from the 10 minute Tails-Rouge blowjob scene in episode 2, and when Rouge clearly starts making out with Tails behind the tree in this >>136657625 scene.


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>>136657467
>you guys we need a scene where Sonic remembers hanging out with his friends in Green Hill
>but boss the only place in Green Hill we modeled was Tails’ workshop, do they all just hang out in there?
>uuuuhh…they all hang out by…one of the trees?
>But Boss the entire background is just hills and trees.
>it’s like…a special tree. That they all love and have really fond memories about. That’s why they all hang out by the tree. Rouge as well, she loves the tree too.
>Boss…
>and when they’re around the tree they’ll all reminisce about stuff loosely to do with the tree that we also can’t show because we didn’t model those places either. That’s what they love to do, talk about the tree while sitting by the tree
>…
>Sonic tried making a pie with a coconut from the tree but it didn’t work so he just bought a storebought one. We won’t show any of these things but we’ll be told about it secondhand while they’re sitting at the tree. And Rouge will be the one to tell us about it because she’s there too. At the tree.

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>>136664227
Yeah it was confusing but you can piece it together from the 10 minute Tails-Rouge blowjob scene in episode 2, and when Rouge clearly starts making out with Tails behind the tree in this >>136657625 scene.


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>>136656903

I don't see Maria anywhere in this picture.

[Assistant]
>>136665053
Get off 4chan, Shadow


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>>136656903

I don't see Maria anywhere in this picture.

[Assistant]
>>136665053
Shadow, nobody is going to fuck your sister.


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>>136658465
>Mario
>good
This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother. You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality. Fuck off.

[Assistant]
>>136663235
Imagine being so brain damaged by console war bullshit you completely miss that anon's point. It doesn't matter if Mario is good or not, Sonic as a franchise needs to stop comparing itself to Mario as something to avoid being and just try to focus on being good itself.


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[User] How long will Sonicfags continue to seethe?

[Assistant]
>>136665215
until our franchise makes something good.
So forever.


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>>136665215
until our franchise makes something good.
So forever.

[Assistant]
>>136665259
I've been with Sonic and Sega for a while now, nothing has changed and nothing ever will until Sega Sammy sells Sonic.


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>>136656439
Billion dollar super game, remember?
They'll kill themselves soon enough

[Assistant]
>>136656459
whats this super game people keep bringing up? I feel out of the loop


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>>136663624
The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

[Assistant]
>>136663755
>>136663936

>The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

Than the comic has no actual value outside of bait for Sonicfags. Which is to mean no value at all.

If you don't have a worthwhile gimmick to your license comic, then it's just worthless merch.


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>>136663871
Because IDW isn’t meant to be its own continuity. It’s a licensed comic based on the games. Therefore, it needs to reflect the shit that’s in those games. Because it’s based on the games, they need to follow these guidelines to keep everything on-brand. Also, Sega doesn’t want multiple continuities based on their IP. Game-related and movie-related are all that they’re okay with. Nothing more than that.

[Assistant]
>>136663755
>>136663936

>The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

Than the comic has no actual value outside of bait for Sonicfags. Which is to mean no value at all.

If you don't have a worthwhile gimmick to your license comic, then it's just worthless merch.


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[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

[Assistant]
>>136656331 (OP)
It's not over.


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>>136663755
>>136663936

>The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

Than the comic has no actual value outside of bait for Sonicfags. Which is to mean no value at all.

If you don't have a worthwhile gimmick to your license comic, then it's just worthless merch.

[Assistant]
>>136665371
Yes.


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>>136656331 (OP)
It's not over.

[Assistant]
>>136665424
You’re right. Sonic still has to visit the ninja, igloo and backyard lawnmower-versions of the shiity friends, wave hello to them then wave goodbye and then it will be over.


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>>136664865
Meanwhile at Sega
>no humans
>no kingdoms or government
>no money
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose

[Assistant]
>>136665022
>no humans
They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
>no kingdoms or government
Whatever is in the games is what exists.
>no money
Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
It's Earth.
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose
He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.


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>>136664119
>But you also have to instill guidelines along with it to protect it. Don’t want some rando writer coming along and doing crazy things with your characters and having that reflect on the IP as a whole.
That's literally never been a problem for Sega. Everything that isn't the games is explicitly its own continuity. And the Shogakukan manga, which was purely Japan-written and released before any other non-game continuity came out, ended up being far more inventive and crazier than anything IDW has ever done, as well as being the first place where Amy ever shows up - and shockingly, none of the wacky stuff from Shogakukan ended up "reflecting on the brand".

This non-zrgument is fucking hilarious because nobody but the most demented grognards could actually believe it. Sega has ALWAYS divorced any continuity not from the games, and 99% of the time they're better for it. Until Frontiers, people cared more about the movies than they ever have the most recent stuff in the Modern continuity.

[Assistant]
>>136664559
Why are you pretending this thing the writers repeatedly say isn't true?
Why do you keep pointing at media that's over 20 years old as if it's indicative of current brand strategies?


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>>136665022
>no humans
They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
>no kingdoms or government
Whatever is in the games is what exists.
>no money
Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
It's Earth.
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose
He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.

[Assistant]
>>136665576
>They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
This is an incredibly recent retcon from the TailsTube series and even then, it has LITERALLY no bearing on any of the recent media, which still depicts Mobians as the sole/dominant species on the planet. IDW has no fucking humans and pretty much treats them as totally nonexistent outside of Eggman. Before this, it was Two Worlds to explain why they weren't a thing but it's still lthe same shitty garbage.

>Whatever is in the games is what exists.
Which is nothing.

>Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
It literally does not, for all intents and purposes. Whatever cheap excuses you or SoJ gives (which are fucking nothing) amount to literally jackshit.

>It's Earth.
Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.

>He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.
And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue. Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.


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>>136664865
I’ve yet to see where in that it says “No character in the entire verse may have any romance, ever. You may not give names to characters except the main ones. You may not show the passage of time. You may not give any of the characters a backstory or family. You may not allow any of the villains to do the stuff that X villain can do” etcetera

[Assistant]
>>136664925
>No character in the entire verse may have any romance, ever.
Only when Sega does it themselves, will a character be depicted in a romantic relationship. Amy is Sonic's official love interest and Sega wants to keep the two in a "will they, won't they" situation.
>You may not give names to characters except the main ones.
The book has OCs though?
>You may not show the passage of time.
This is standard for licensed material. Gotta keep things on-brand.
>You may not give any of the characters a backstory or family.
Again, only when Sega does it themselves. It's why Cream still has her mom.
>You may not allow any of the villains to do the stuff that X villain can do” etcetera
If Eggman can do the thing, then just use Eggman. No redundant characters that will infringe on already existing ones unless created by Sega themselves.


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>>136665022
>no humans
They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
>no kingdoms or government
Whatever is in the games is what exists.
>no money
Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
It's Earth.
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose
He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.

[Assistant]
>>136665576
>>136665660
Fuck off already Slashy.


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>>136664559
Why are you pretending this thing the writers repeatedly say isn't true?
Why do you keep pointing at media that's over 20 years old as if it's indicative of current brand strategies?

[Assistant]
>>136665576
>>136665660
Fuck off already Slashy.


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[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

[Assistant]
>>136656331 (OP)
Wasn’t enough Big to keep me interested.


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>>136665576
>>136665660
Fuck off already Slashy.

[Assistant]
>>136665699
I don't care about namefags, I was just asking why you're so adamant that the current comics aren't meant to resemble the games and why your counter examples are all old as shit.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

[Assistant]
>>136656331 (OP)
It came out?


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>>136663443
>The mandates are absolutely terrible for trying to create any serious long-form setting like IDW is clearly designed to be.
That’s because the writers are overstepping their bounds by doing more than they’re supposed to. Plenty of actual professionals are able to deliver within said mandates. Episodic adventures would work perfectly with them. But Ian and Evan don’t want to do that. They’re still in their edgy fan comic phase.

[Assistant]
>>136663809
I think Evan's doing ok. Could be better, but acceptable.

Adam's been really grinding out on Drogune lately. Hope Ian's doing the same. Might make him more amenable to treating Sonic as a resource for fun short stories


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>>136664119
>But you also have to instill guidelines along with it to protect it. Don’t want some rando writer coming along and doing crazy things with your characters and having that reflect on the IP as a whole.
That's literally never been a problem for Sega. Everything that isn't the games is explicitly its own continuity. And the Shogakukan manga, which was purely Japan-written and released before any other non-game continuity came out, ended up being far more inventive and crazier than anything IDW has ever done, as well as being the first place where Amy ever shows up - and shockingly, none of the wacky stuff from Shogakukan ended up "reflecting on the brand".

This non-zrgument is fucking hilarious because nobody but the most demented grognards could actually believe it. Sega has ALWAYS divorced any continuity not from the games, and 99% of the time they're better for it. Until Frontiers, people cared more about the movies than they ever have the most recent stuff in the Modern continuity.

[Assistant]
>>136664559
The manga wasn't a single continuity. It would reboot once in a while. The original idea was that it was set in Sonic's younger years with Game Sonic traveling into his past and taking over his younger self's body. During CD's development, Amy was closer in age to Sonic like in the manga with her being a high school cheerleader.


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>>136664925
>No character in the entire verse may have any romance, ever.
Only when Sega does it themselves, will a character be depicted in a romantic relationship. Amy is Sonic's official love interest and Sega wants to keep the two in a "will they, won't they" situation.
>You may not give names to characters except the main ones.
The book has OCs though?
>You may not show the passage of time.
This is standard for licensed material. Gotta keep things on-brand.
>You may not give any of the characters a backstory or family.
Again, only when Sega does it themselves. It's why Cream still has her mom.
>You may not allow any of the villains to do the stuff that X villain can do” etcetera
If Eggman can do the thing, then just use Eggman. No redundant characters that will infringe on already existing ones unless created by Sega themselves.

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>>136665695
>Only when Sega does it themselves, will a character be depicted in a romantic relationship. Amy is Sonic's official love interest and Sega wants to keep the two in a "will they, won't they" situation.
Which is fucking cancer, because we literally know that they will never commit on their own. It took Frontiers' English script for Modern Sonic to actually start thinking of Amy in that romantic affectionate way (Boom and Prime both hint at it, and the Shogakukan manga had Nicky and Amy as an actual item from the start - so it definitely is an SoJ specific problem). And they noticeably had ALL of that erased in the Japanese script, and totally flanderized Amy and wiped away her character development that the English script gave her.

>The book has OCs though?
And they're terrible because of how stifled the mandates make them - they literally need Sega to check mark everything like a fucking machine algorithm to get in nowadays.

>This is standard for licensed material. Gotta keep things on-brand.
Paramount.

>Again, only when Sega does it themselves. It's why Cream still has her mom.
Cream hasn't appeared in over 15 years in the Modern continuity and has literally zero plot relevance. Vanilla even less.

>If Eggman can do the thing, then just use Eggman.
You have such fucking terrible takes, Slashy. Are you the type of person who shst himself over the End staging up Eggman in Frontiers and sidelining him for the entire game?


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>>136665699
I don't care about namefags, I was just asking why you're so adamant that the current comics aren't meant to resemble the games and why your counter examples are all old as shit.

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>>136665740
>I don't care about namefags
You have literally said this before. Almost word-for-word even - and it was blatantly obvious who you were even then.


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>>136656331 (OP)
They shouldn't have cut out that 15 minute flashback sex scene between Tails and Rouge. It really confused the mood when Tails doesn't answer how she knows where he lives and why she keeps biting her lip at him

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>>136664227
>>136664227
>>136665074
Tails is never gonna get any action, Tailscels.


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>>136656331 (OP)
They shouldn't have cut out that 15 minute flashback sex scene between Tails and Rouge. It really confused the mood when Tails doesn't answer how she knows where he lives and why she keeps biting her lip at him

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>>136664227
>>136664227
>>136665074
Tails is never gonna get any action, Tailscels.


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>>136664227
Yeah it was confusing but you can piece it together from the 10 minute Tails-Rouge blowjob scene in episode 2, and when Rouge clearly starts making out with Tails behind the tree in this >>136657625 scene.

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>>136664227
>>136664227
>>136665074
Tails is never gonna get any action, Tailscels.


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>>136664559
The manga wasn't a single continuity. It would reboot once in a while. The original idea was that it was set in Sonic's younger years with Game Sonic traveling into his past and taking over his younger self's body. During CD's development, Amy was closer in age to Sonic like in the manga with her being a high school cheerleader.

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>>136665816
The Shogakukan manga was generally consistent. Other manga were all different shit at different points though, yes.


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>>136663561
>The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books.
And that is narrative-fucking poison if you're trying to create an actual world and setting. Again, even the Boom and movie writers have called out the mandates as being not only way too controlling, but fucking unhinged in how they're presented.

>It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.
No, they only started meddling when Penders' and his lawsuit came about. They still didn't care, even late into the run.

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>>136663624
>and movie writers
Sauce on this? I wanna read that.


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>>136663360
Everything has guidelines attached to it, dude. Especially licensed material. IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters. That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex. Sonic’s meant to be a family friendly franchise. And outside material MUST reflect that.

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>>136663708
>IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters.

And yet the artists work TanglexWhisper in wherever possible.


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>>136665695
>Only when Sega does it themselves, will a character be depicted in a romantic relationship. Amy is Sonic's official love interest and Sega wants to keep the two in a "will they, won't they" situation.
Which is fucking cancer, because we literally know that they will never commit on their own. It took Frontiers' English script for Modern Sonic to actually start thinking of Amy in that romantic affectionate way (Boom and Prime both hint at it, and the Shogakukan manga had Nicky and Amy as an actual item from the start - so it definitely is an SoJ specific problem). And they noticeably had ALL of that erased in the Japanese script, and totally flanderized Amy and wiped away her character development that the English script gave her.

>The book has OCs though?
And they're terrible because of how stifled the mandates make them - they literally need Sega to check mark everything like a fucking machine algorithm to get in nowadays.

>This is standard for licensed material. Gotta keep things on-brand.
Paramount.

>Again, only when Sega does it themselves. It's why Cream still has her mom.
Cream hasn't appeared in over 15 years in the Modern continuity and has literally zero plot relevance. Vanilla even less.

>If Eggman can do the thing, then just use Eggman.
You have such fucking terrible takes, Slashy. Are you the type of person who shst himself over the End staging up Eggman in Frontiers and sidelining him for the entire game?

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>>136665829
>they literally need Sega to check mark everything like a fucking machine algorithm to get in nowadays.
Standard practice. Gotta make sure they look like Sonic characters.
>Paramount
Movies are a completely different situation from some comic that makes no money.
>Cream hasn't appeared in over 15 years in the Modern continuity and has literally zero plot relevance. Vanilla even less.
She's in the comic. She doesn't show up in the games because she's redundant as a character. Amy can already do the things she can do and better.
>You have such fucking terrible takes, Slashy.
Who the fuck is Slashy?


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>>136663708
>IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters.

And yet the artists work TanglexWhisper in wherever possible.

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>>136665984
The lesbian implications go right over Sega's head.


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>>136664227
>>136664227
>>136665074
Tails is never gonna get any action, Tailscels.

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>>136665869
You replied to the same post twice because a picture made you seethe that badly


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>>136663235
>This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother.
And yet you replied, faggot

>You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality.
But Sonic is more popular than Mario triple retard.
Mario's games are industry standard, the only thing left among today's market of shovelware that's still 90s era grade A good. Even Zelda is dying and Pokemon was never good like Sonic after going 3D.

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>>136665047
>and Pokemon was never good like Sonic after going 3D.
Game Freak is almost literally just Nintendo's own Sonic Team, though even Sonic Team had more than one decent OG property that's been left in the dustbin.


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>>136665829
>they literally need Sega to check mark everything like a fucking machine algorithm to get in nowadays.
Standard practice. Gotta make sure they look like Sonic characters.
>Paramount
Movies are a completely different situation from some comic that makes no money.
>Cream hasn't appeared in over 15 years in the Modern continuity and has literally zero plot relevance. Vanilla even less.
She's in the comic. She doesn't show up in the games because she's redundant as a character. Amy can already do the things she can do and better.
>You have such fucking terrible takes, Slashy.
Who the fuck is Slashy?

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>>136665996
>Standard practice.
Name 10 characters.

>Movies are a completely different situation from some comic that makes no money.
If that were true, they'd have pulled the license. And no, it's not the same for movies at sll - the only reason Sega haven't pushed mandate garbage onto the movies is because Paramount is too fucking big to boss around.

>She's in the comic.
Which is meaningless because she still does nothing even then. She is even more of a token kid character than Charmy. More than that, IDW has no bearing on events in the games.

>Amy can already do the things she can do
They aren't even remotely the fucking same, you schizo.


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>>136665576
>They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
This is an incredibly recent retcon from the TailsTube series and even then, it has LITERALLY no bearing on any of the recent media, which still depicts Mobians as the sole/dominant species on the planet. IDW has no fucking humans and pretty much treats them as totally nonexistent outside of Eggman. Before this, it was Two Worlds to explain why they weren't a thing but it's still lthe same shitty garbage.

>Whatever is in the games is what exists.
Which is nothing.

>Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
It literally does not, for all intents and purposes. Whatever cheap excuses you or SoJ gives (which are fucking nothing) amount to literally jackshit.

>It's Earth.
Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.

>He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.
And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue. Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.

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>>136665677
>Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.
They show a globe in the Sonic VN, along with Spagonia itself being referenced.


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What's the point of doing a multiverse story if the regular universe is so poorly defined? When there's no established history to deviate from, your multiverse is basically shit on the level of "universe where everyone wears a funny hat".
Sonic Prime is the kind of garbage people used to mock the Archie comic for.

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>>136666157
The alternate worlds themselves are very limited too.

People saying they want universes like genderswaps or roles are swapped, that's not how this works. The alternate worlds have nothing to do with the pre-established worlds, they're just using the names and retooled designs and the rest follows the themed world itself. It's just not very interesting.


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>>136665576
>They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
This is an incredibly recent retcon from the TailsTube series and even then, it has LITERALLY no bearing on any of the recent media, which still depicts Mobians as the sole/dominant species on the planet. IDW has no fucking humans and pretty much treats them as totally nonexistent outside of Eggman. Before this, it was Two Worlds to explain why they weren't a thing but it's still lthe same shitty garbage.

>Whatever is in the games is what exists.
Which is nothing.

>Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
It literally does not, for all intents and purposes. Whatever cheap excuses you or SoJ gives (which are fucking nothing) amount to literally jackshit.

>It's Earth.
Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.

>He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.
And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue. Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.

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>>136665677
>Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.
It's a fictionalized Earth. Dragon Ball does the same shit.


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What's the point of doing a multiverse story if the regular universe is so poorly defined? When there's no established history to deviate from, your multiverse is basically shit on the level of "universe where everyone wears a funny hat".
Sonic Prime is the kind of garbage people used to mock the Archie comic for.

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>>136666157
>universe where everyone wears a funny hat
they’re absolutely gonna do that


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>>136666157
>universe where everyone wears a funny hat
they’re absolutely gonna do that

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>>136666295
Was this made before or after the show premiered, because it's so on the nose it hurts.


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>>136666290
Too big to fail, just like Disney, Nintendo, Konami, EA etc.


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>>136663418
Writers always bitch when they have to be limited by outside sources. That’s just how things work. Especially when you’re working with an established IP. Limitations aren’t an issue. In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative instead of being complacent in their writing.

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>>136663853
>In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative
Creative in trying to do what they're not allowed to do, which often ends up just being a heavily watered down version of what they wanted. Either that or they have to abandon their original idea completely.


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>>136663624
>and movie writers
Sauce on this? I wanna read that.

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>>136665968
Looking for it. It was an interview/AnA where they say that there was a bunch of shit Sega vetoed/tried to veto during the second film.


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>>136666295
Was this made before or after the show premiered, because it's so on the nose it hurts.

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>>136666324
made on the day the premise was announced, lmao


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>>136666157
The alternate worlds themselves are very limited too.

People saying they want universes like genderswaps or roles are swapped, that's not how this works. The alternate worlds have nothing to do with the pre-established worlds, they're just using the names and retooled designs and the rest follows the themed world itself. It's just not very interesting.

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>>136666215
Honestly, it feels like Sega can't touch the interesting multiverses with a 10 foot bargepole due to Archie.
We get interesting universes like "What if Eggman took over everything? (Again)", "What if everyone was a pirate?" or "What if Team Sonic was tribal?". But if there was an mirror universe, Sega gets sued by Ken Penders for ripping off Scourge the Hedgehog.


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>>136665968
Looking for it. It was an interview/AnA where they say that there was a bunch of shit Sega vetoed/tried to veto during the second film.

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>>136666377
>>136665968
>>136663624
For how insane Sega's mandates are, they really have nothing on Nintendo's. Nintendo forbids Mario from being POSED in certain ways.

That's probably why there's no TV show or comic.


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>>136663624
>and movie writers
Sauce on this? I wanna read that.

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>>136666377
>>136665968
>>136663624
For how insane Sega's mandates are, they really have nothing on Nintendo's. Nintendo forbids Mario from being POSED in certain ways.

That's probably why there's no TV show or comic.


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>>136663561
>The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books.
And that is narrative-fucking poison if you're trying to create an actual world and setting. Again, even the Boom and movie writers have called out the mandates as being not only way too controlling, but fucking unhinged in how they're presented.

>It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.
No, they only started meddling when Penders' and his lawsuit came about. They still didn't care, even late into the run.

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>>136666377
>>136665968
>>136663624
For how insane Sega's mandates are, they really have nothing on Nintendo's. Nintendo forbids Mario from being POSED in certain ways.

That's probably why there's no TV show or comic.


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>>136665677
>Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.
They show a globe in the Sonic VN, along with Spagonia itself being referenced.

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>>136666207
That's not what I asked.

>>136666252
Dragonball Earth stopped having weird fantastical shit like dinosaurs or shit decades ago. Not the fucking same, when Sonic still has these elements still being present.

Dragonball also doesn't assume that the planet more or less has no similarities to Earth whatsoever.


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>>136665677
>Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.
It's a fictionalized Earth. Dragon Ball does the same shit.

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>>136666207
That's not what I asked.

>>136666252
Dragonball Earth stopped having weird fantastical shit like dinosaurs or shit decades ago. Not the fucking same, when Sonic still has these elements still being present.

Dragonball also doesn't assume that the planet more or less has no similarities to Earth whatsoever.


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>>136665576
>They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
This is an incredibly recent retcon from the TailsTube series and even then, it has LITERALLY no bearing on any of the recent media, which still depicts Mobians as the sole/dominant species on the planet. IDW has no fucking humans and pretty much treats them as totally nonexistent outside of Eggman. Before this, it was Two Worlds to explain why they weren't a thing but it's still lthe same shitty garbage.

>Whatever is in the games is what exists.
Which is nothing.

>Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
It literally does not, for all intents and purposes. Whatever cheap excuses you or SoJ gives (which are fucking nothing) amount to literally jackshit.

>It's Earth.
Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.

>He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.
And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue. Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.

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>>136665677
>And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue.
Sonic is Sega's mascot first and foremost. To them, anything they deem makes him look "bad" reflects poorly on both the brand and the company.
>Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.
That's on Ian. The man can't write within Sega's specifications when it should be simple enough.


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>>136666215
Honestly, it feels like Sega can't touch the interesting multiverses with a 10 foot bargepole due to Archie.
We get interesting universes like "What if Eggman took over everything? (Again)", "What if everyone was a pirate?" or "What if Team Sonic was tribal?". But if there was an mirror universe, Sega gets sued by Ken Penders for ripping off Scourge the Hedgehog.

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>>136666409
>"What if everyone was a pirate?"
>"What if Team Sonic was tribal?"

And somehow these STILL ended up being uninteresting.


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>>136666377
>>136665968
>>136663624
For how insane Sega's mandates are, they really have nothing on Nintendo's. Nintendo forbids Mario from being POSED in certain ways.

That's probably why there's no TV show or comic.

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>>136666413
Sega made idw delay and redraw a comic issue because evan made Sonic blush in a panel. Tracy Yardley’s shown several times in IDW sega made him redraw because the expression on Sonic’s face was going too far


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>>136666377
>>136665968
>>136663624
For how insane Sega's mandates are, they really have nothing on Nintendo's. Nintendo forbids Mario from being POSED in certain ways.

That's probably why there's no TV show or comic.

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>>136666413
Ian and Archie pitched a Mario comic to Nintendo. They rejected it because Ian wanted to take the IP in a dramatic turn. Soap opera shit. So Nintendo rightfully told him to fuck off.


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>>136663853
>LIMITATIONS FORCE YOU TO GET CREATIVE
Name 10 writers.

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>>136663947
Any musician who started out doing sampled music vs. when they got big enough to write for actual orchestra.


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>>136665677
>And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue.
Sonic is Sega's mascot first and foremost. To them, anything they deem makes him look "bad" reflects poorly on both the brand and the company.
>Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.
That's on Ian. The man can't write within Sega's specifications when it should be simple enough.

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>>136666428
>That's on Ian. The man can't write within Sega's specifications when it should be simple enough.

He's also way too attached to the SatAM/Archie setup to write anything too removed from it. That's how we ended up with "The Restoration", which is just the Freedom Fighters under a shitty new banner.


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>>136665677
>And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue.
Sonic is Sega's mascot first and foremost. To them, anything they deem makes him look "bad" reflects poorly on both the brand and the company.
>Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.
That's on Ian. The man can't write within Sega's specifications when it should be simple enough.

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>>136666428
>Sonic is Sega's mascot first and foremost. To them, anything they deem makes him look "bad" reflects poorly on both the brand and the company.
The fact you lack the self-awareness to comprehend how retarded this is is hilarious.

>That's on Ian.
Literally never wrote him like this in Archir, schizo.,


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>>136663947
Any musician who started out doing sampled music vs. when they got big enough to write for actual orchestra.

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>>136666460
Name. 10. Writers. This should be easy if it's as common as you claim.

>>136666462
The Restoration is literally just the Resistance from Forces retooled. Did Ian retroactively create Forces too in your schizophrenia-addled mind?


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>>136666428
>That's on Ian. The man can't write within Sega's specifications when it should be simple enough.

He's also way too attached to the SatAM/Archie setup to write anything too removed from it. That's how we ended up with "The Restoration", which is just the Freedom Fighters under a shitty new banner.

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>>136666460
Name. 10. Writers. This should be easy if it's as common as you claim.

>>136666462
The Restoration is literally just the Resistance from Forces retooled. Did Ian retroactively create Forces too in your schizophrenia-addled mind?


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>>136666460
Name. 10. Writers. This should be easy if it's as common as you claim.

>>136666462
The Restoration is literally just the Resistance from Forces retooled. Did Ian retroactively create Forces too in your schizophrenia-addled mind?

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>>136666525
Forces WAS originally supposed to have the Freedom Fighters in it, isn't that how the story goes?


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>>136666460
Name. 10. Writers. This should be easy if it's as common as you claim.

>>136666462
The Restoration is literally just the Resistance from Forces retooled. Did Ian retroactively create Forces too in your schizophrenia-addled mind?

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>>136666525
>as you claim.
Not the same anon. Anyways this applies to so many composers it's not even funny.


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>>136666525
Forces WAS originally supposed to have the Freedom Fighters in it, isn't that how the story goes?

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>>136666538
No. Even the earliest scripts we know of have nothing regarding to the Freedom Fighters.

>>136666590
It's mostly /sthg/.


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>>136666538
No. Even the earliest scripts we know of have nothing regarding to the Freedom Fighters.

>>136666590
It's mostly /sthg/.


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>>136666413
Ian and Archie pitched a Mario comic to Nintendo. They rejected it because Ian wanted to take the IP in a dramatic turn. Soap opera shit. So Nintendo rightfully told him to fuck off.

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>>136666456
>rightfully
lol


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>>136666525
>as you claim.
Not the same anon. Anyways this applies to so many composers it's not even funny.

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>>136666568
>Not the same anon.
Sure. Name 10 writers.


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>>136666456
>rightfully
lol

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>>136666615
Their IP, their rules. Don’t like it? There’s the door. Basic shit.


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>>136666615
Their IP, their rules. Don’t like it? There’s the door. Basic shit.

[Assistant]
>>136666652
ok bootlicker.


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[User]
>>136666615
Their IP, their rules. Don’t like it? There’s the door. Basic shit.

[Assistant]
>>136666652
Fuck off, Miyamoto.


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[User]
>>136665740
>I don't care about namefags
You have literally said this before. Almost word-for-word even - and it was blatantly obvious who you were even then.

[Assistant]
>>136665851
If you wanna be schizo go ahead.
I asked a question, answer it or don't.


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[User]
>>136663708
>>136663755
Why is it so hard for Sonicfags to understand that a franchise can have multiple continuities that can be very different from each other.
I swear you'd have an aneurysm if you watched Transformers G1 and Beast Wars back-to-back.

[Assistant]
>>136663871
Most of /co/ would not last 5 minutes as a Transformers fan
Lots of Transformers fans can't even last as Transformers fans


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[User]
>>136663853
>LIMITATIONS FORCE YOU TO GET CREATIVE
Name 10 writers.

[Assistant]
>>136663947
Executive meddling is a thing happens all the time with media. It’s how we got the Cell Saga as Toriyama was told by his editor that the Androids were too lame to be the villains so he created Cell. Many of the things that people loved in Naruto were all suggestions from the editor. Also all the creative ways to get around censorship that many cartoons did back then.


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[User]
>>136663947
Executive meddling is a thing happens all the time with media. It’s how we got the Cell Saga as Toriyama was told by his editor that the Androids were too lame to be the villains so he created Cell. Many of the things that people loved in Naruto were all suggestions from the editor. Also all the creative ways to get around censorship that many cartoons did back then.

[Assistant]
>>136667152
Suggestions =/= mandates.


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[User]
>>136667152
Suggestions =/= mandates.

[Assistant]
>>136667418
Don't bother, Slashy here is a retard that just wants to start shit.


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[User]
>>136667418
Don't bother, Slashy here is a retard that just wants to start shit.

[Assistant]
>>136667485
You can't just call everyone who thinks the exaggeration of corporate stipulations on storytelling is stupid Slashy.


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[User] Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.

[Assistant]
>>136656331 (OP)
It's weirdly boring. Also couldn't give less of a shit about alternate reality versions of existing characters, nor multiverse shit for that matter, so that doesn't help.
Great action scene animation though, and the characters are nice and expressive.


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[User]
>>136666413
Ian and Archie pitched a Mario comic to Nintendo. They rejected it because Ian wanted to take the IP in a dramatic turn. Soap opera shit. So Nintendo rightfully told him to fuck off.

[Assistant]
>>136666456
>Ian wanted to take the IP in a dramatic turn. Soap opera shit.
Luigi getting scared and running away, then coming back to save Mario is soap opera shit?
NoA actually liked the pitch, it was NoJ that rejected it.


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[User]
>>136666456
>Ian wanted to take the IP in a dramatic turn. Soap opera shit.
Luigi getting scared and running away, then coming back to save Mario is soap opera shit?
NoA actually liked the pitch, it was NoJ that rejected it.

[Assistant]
>>136667597
>NoA actually liked the pitch
NoA also greenlit Golden Sun Dark Dawn, really fucked up on Xenoblade X's localization, and was effectively neutered a few years after this pitch.


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[User]
>>136667597
>NoA actually liked the pitch
NoA also greenlit Golden Sun Dark Dawn, really fucked up on Xenoblade X's localization, and was effectively neutered a few years after this pitch.

[Assistant]
>>136667686
And NoJ did Other M, ruined the Mario RPGs among other shit.
That's not even the point, if NoA was receptive it's unlikely it was breaking any marketing guidelines. NoJ probably didn't even look at it, they just weren't interested in publishing any comics.


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[User]
>>136663418
Writers always bitch when they have to be limited by outside sources. That’s just how things work. Especially when you’re working with an established IP. Limitations aren’t an issue. In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative instead of being complacent in their writing.

[Assistant]
>>136663853
This. There's many ways to write these furries in ways that isn't Le Adventure era fanwank
Most of these characters moved on past that point, some got simplified past that point, but there's more than enough material to work with what's there, it's just fans don't want that because they are faggots that never coped and grew up or hack writers that are too lazy to be creative in the first place.