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>>136979235
Fucking imbecile
Yugoslavia was no longer a country when he combed them.
See what happened was that with the fall of the communism, the many ethnic groups that lived in Yugoslavia broke off and began fighting each other, and committing war crimes. But none committed worse war crimes than the Republica Serbska. They began genociding people and trying to hide it, when the world found out that's when Clinton bombed them which...PUT AN END TO THE GENOCIDE

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>>136980334
>"You guys are doing the genocide wrong! Watch!"
> Bombs the country.
On which side of the whole pro and anti genocide thing was him again?


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
because people are idiots who don't know their own history


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>>136980285
>the Democratic lawmakers feel ignorant and stupid more than they seem cruel.
To the American public. In world terms, the foreign countries have more to fear from a Democrat president than a Republican. Despite what the press may say, Trump was pretty popular worldwide for his nativist platform: America for America, the others can handle themselves.

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>>136980360
Lots of Americans replying to this comment about how other countries feel about American presidents. Must be some sort of deeply embedded democrat thing, which explains why they need to keep bombing other countries when elected.
I'm a Spaniard fag. The TV ran constantly orange man bad here, and didn't say a peep about the decrepit senile old man taking over the white house, shitting on carpets and falling off every escalator.
But the people, my hairdresser, my classmates, only the male teachers, not the females, they all said Trump was based. One female teacher told me Trump was horrible because he built a wall in the southern border. Guess what has Spain had for decades lol. It's so true that if you're too retarded to do a job you can always just teach it at school instead.

Also Italy literally built those parade statue things of Trump as the emperor of mankind from Warhammer 40k. Look up "geotus". Doesn't sound that disliked.


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>>136979693
Okay. Disney owns Fox. Fox owns the Simpsons. A Republican has been trying to fuck with Disney as a penalty for questioning a law he passed which now bans kids from learning about being gay in school, full stop.

Gee, oh why does the media often treat Republicans like bad people. What could be the cause. Whatever did the Republicans ever do, besides all the things they have always done, to artists and media that would artists and media not like Republicans. It must be a conspiracy.

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>>136979829
Because trans people are mentally ill.
Gay people are mentally ill.
Pedophiles are mentally ill.
This is what should be taught in classrooms.

No amount of screeching is going to change this fact. The moment the American hegemony fails, all of that is going to go right out the fucking window.


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>>136980009
Oh, they expanded the law, anon. It's banned in high school now. They can't even mention gays to high school seniors at this point. They "Don't Say Gay" thing was not actually an exaggeration.

And the point still things. Practically every month there's some new cruel and oppressive agenda the Republicans where they lean into the cruelty and show no sympathy towards the people affect. Republicans get depicted as badguys in media because they are the asshole party.

The Democrats DO get lampooned too, but as the useless idiot and philanderer party. It's not as bad, but that's because the Democratic lawmakers feel ignorant and stupid more than they seem cruel.

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>>136980285
Good.


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>>136980597
Anon, his diplomacy strategy was that he'd tell all the US's allies to go fuck themselves, at which point he'd pull away from US-led coalitions. Then he'd turn around talk about how Putin and Kim were geniuses.

How do you fucking - how do you watch politics and then post a thread asking "Why do Republicans get depicted as bad guys in cartoons?"

How is it not obvious. What. What would make them good guys. What mean-spirited horse-shit would wind up so bad they suddenly become good guys in a didactic story. They will ban abortion even if it threatens to kill a lady by, being obtuse about what's "medically necessary", and then get mad at a program to feed kids because it's "government overreach". That's why TV with some kind of moral message or barbed point more often depicts them as badguys.

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>>136980742
>Yes, let's waste our money on a military alliance that gives us nothing and them everything.

I don't want my tax dollars going to faggots in the Middle East, NATO, Israel, or gay Muslims. How much money have we thrown at Ukraine?


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>>136980360
Lots of Americans replying to this comment about how other countries feel about American presidents. Must be some sort of deeply embedded democrat thing, which explains why they need to keep bombing other countries when elected.
I'm a Spaniard fag. The TV ran constantly orange man bad here, and didn't say a peep about the decrepit senile old man taking over the white house, shitting on carpets and falling off every escalator.
But the people, my hairdresser, my classmates, only the male teachers, not the females, they all said Trump was based. One female teacher told me Trump was horrible because he built a wall in the southern border. Guess what has Spain had for decades lol. It's so true that if you're too retarded to do a job you can always just teach it at school instead.

Also Italy literally built those parade statue things of Trump as the emperor of mankind from Warhammer 40k. Look up "geotus". Doesn't sound that disliked.

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>>136984306
>I'm a Spaniard fag
no you're not dun. go back to fucking ocio's matress. your comic book company failed. mencanta serchango.

>>136984346
you were right on point until you mentioned pedophiles don't lump us in with the hoe moes.


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>>136979829
Because trans people are mentally ill.
Gay people are mentally ill.
Pedophiles are mentally ill.
This is what should be taught in classrooms.

No amount of screeching is going to change this fact. The moment the American hegemony fails, all of that is going to go right out the fucking window.

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>>136984306
>I'm a Spaniard fag
no you're not dun. go back to fucking ocio's matress. your comic book company failed. mencanta serchango.

>>136984346
you were right on point until you mentioned pedophiles don't lump us in with the hoe moes.


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
Nixon was a saint compared to every president after him except maybe the orange fella.


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>>136978802 (OP)
because art holds a mirror up to real life. They also show the sun rising and setting.


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>>136978802 (OP)
His first term is probably one of the best of any president. Even watergate in itself wasnt that bad compared to some other presidents. It was the cover up that was really scandalous.
But libtards dont care about reality. Thats why they make cartoons.


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>>136983820
>fucking retards taking jokes as an attack is peak autism
>"h-he's from LE OTHER SIDE"

least schizophrenic burgerman

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>>136984086
>least schizophrenic burgerman
Yes but I WILL work my way up the cranial ladder.


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I dunno probably has to do with ruining the third world to stop le communism

There's also that stealing campaign secrets thing but cheating in elections is an Amerimutt tradition so who cares

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>>136978877
Nixon ended the Vietnam war which was started by Kennedy and accelerated by Johnson.


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>>136979693
Okay. Disney owns Fox. Fox owns the Simpsons. A Republican has been trying to fuck with Disney as a penalty for questioning a law he passed which now bans kids from learning about being gay in school, full stop.

Gee, oh why does the media often treat Republicans like bad people. What could be the cause. Whatever did the Republicans ever do, besides all the things they have always done, to artists and media that would artists and media not like Republicans. It must be a conspiracy.

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>>136979829
Maybe the fact that Disney literally operates what is basically a private fiefdom in Florida might justify the governor of florida taking over that private fiefdom?


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>>136981097
and Nixon sabotaged Vietnam peace talks to win the 1968 election

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>>136981177
I wonder what happened in 1968 which would have made that a bad time to negotiate from a position of weakness?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive


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>>136981214
They're not pro-open brokers. They're tepid border neutral because it's a challenging logistical issue, but they think they might score some points if they decide not to lock kids in chages in a warehouse with the thermostat set to 65 degrees Farenheit.

Republicans are also not pro closed borders. They just don't want immigrants to have any legal means of obtaining rights or protections. They're perfectly okay with immigrant children in meat packing plants - they just don't believe the kids should get paid the federal minimum wage.

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>>136981319
I'm fairly certain the people who want to be a wall to keep out illegal immigrants are pro-closed borders.


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>>136978877
Nixon ended the Vietnam war which was started by Kennedy and accelerated by Johnson.

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>>136985052
nixon LOST the vietnam war, because he was a shit-eating rat.


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>>136978802 (OP)
Because Nixon was at the center of the biggest scandal in 20th century american politics and has a bunch of funny/fun to parody mannerisms.

>>136981941
This. The things about Clinton and JFK that are easy to make fun of are unrelated to the fucked up shit they did as politicians. JFK and Clinton are both portrayed as perverts or sex fiends + jokes about Clinton hating/being controlled by his wife.

>>136981947
Obama parodies are usually 90% an exaggerated immitation of how he uses pauses when speaking and 10% references to Hope or Change.


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>>136979507
>>136979235
>>136979538
>>136979883

People keep thinking there's this big conspiracy about presidents getting ridiculed or not when in reality is super simple.

Some are just easier to write for.

Yes JFK was a terrible president, but most if not all of his actions were just general evil; Boring, nothing to really drive humor from. Nixon meanwhile looked like a goddamn cartoon and him getting round out felt way more cartoonishly evil so it made a good scapegoat.

It's the same thing with Trump, presidents who act so over the top that writing about them is just way easier than Biden or Obama who besides terrible presidencies, they are as funny as cold outmeal.

JFK may have been terrible, but he had a good PR. So his chipper sax loving attitude was up front and made it so the only people that'd understand a more specific joke about JFK's actual run as presidency would need to be up to date on politics.

It's why once the affairs went to light, it was all just about that. Cause that's the stuff the general audiences latched on fast.

TL;DR, a comedy writer if they have to choose between writing about a president's term where they have to count of their audience to read a Wikipedia article or write about how another president where he basically is some goofy silly man that people can understand easy, they'll chose the latter

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>>136978802 (OP)
Because Nixon was at the center of the biggest scandal in 20th century american politics and has a bunch of funny/fun to parody mannerisms.

>>136981941
This. The things about Clinton and JFK that are easy to make fun of are unrelated to the fucked up shit they did as politicians. JFK and Clinton are both portrayed as perverts or sex fiends + jokes about Clinton hating/being controlled by his wife.

>>136981947
Obama parodies are usually 90% an exaggerated immitation of how he uses pauses when speaking and 10% references to Hope or Change.


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>>136981778
Best post in the thread Anon, well done.
I agree that Obama is the hardest president for a cartoon to make fun of. I've noticed that all of the "AI presidents do X" videos that have been popping up lately just have Obama be the "straight man" while Trump, Bush and Biden say stupid shit.

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>>136978802 (OP)
Because Nixon was at the center of the biggest scandal in 20th century american politics and has a bunch of funny/fun to parody mannerisms.

>>136981941
This. The things about Clinton and JFK that are easy to make fun of are unrelated to the fucked up shit they did as politicians. JFK and Clinton are both portrayed as perverts or sex fiends + jokes about Clinton hating/being controlled by his wife.

>>136981947
Obama parodies are usually 90% an exaggerated immitation of how he uses pauses when speaking and 10% references to Hope or Change.


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>>136981466
He was too amicable. Raegan's "trickle down" thing is what he's famous for in terms of how he hurt the nation, but conceptually it's so complicated that some people will still tell you that a tax break for the rich will make the working class better off. It's hard to make short-hand comedy off so at most they make fun of Raegan's dementia sometimes - though that comes across as cruel so it's rare too.

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>>136981510
People will tell you that they literally don't give a shit what someone else's tax rate is so long as they personally have to pay less taxes. You are ignoring the fact that every single time taxes are cut on the rich that they are also cut for the middle and lower classes that do pays income taxes. Yes because the rich were already paying more taxes cutting taxes for everyone cuts taxes for the rich by more but people don't care so long as they personally are also paying less taxes.

Trumps tax cuts cut taxes by 3% for earnings between $9.5k and $82.5K, 4% for earnings between $82.5k and $157.5k, and 1% for earnings between $157.5k and $200k, and 0% between $200k to $500k, and 2.6% for earnings above 500k.

You can say AHA! People earning between 200k and 500k got no tax cut but people earning above 500k got almost as much of a tax cut as the poor. Which is okay fine, people who are "rich" got zero tax cut while the "super rich" got a tax cut, but the super rich generally don't pay "income taxes" as the super rich make their money off investments and so their actual tax rate is generally the Capital Gains tax. The Capital Gains tax was unchanged by the law.

People will complain about CEO PAY! but CEO pay is actually good from a taxing perspective because multi-million dollar salaries are taxable where paying a CEO in stock appreciation isn't as taxable. The theory is that if the tax rate on ultra-high salaries is low, then companies will be more likely to pay a CEO a high salary instead of pulling tricks to avoid paying those ultra-high salaries to avoid taxes. In some ways ultra-high CEO pay is a success of the taxing system as you can get more taxes from 1/3 of a 5 million dollar salary than you can from 2/3 of a 1 million salary. That 1 million pay CEO is however probably getting compensated in other non-taxable ways.


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>>136980285
>the Democratic lawmakers feel ignorant and stupid more than they seem cruel.
To the American public. In world terms, the foreign countries have more to fear from a Democrat president than a Republican. Despite what the press may say, Trump was pretty popular worldwide for his nativist platform: America for America, the others can handle themselves.

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>>136980360
Thirdworlder here
You dems are idiots.


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>>136980360
What are you talking about? Go to pretty much any country other than Russia, and people have a pretty negative opinion about Trump, especially when compared to Obama and now Biden. Whether or not you feel that this dislike of him was justified is another story, but you can't deny that most of the world doesn't like him.

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>>136980653
Biden isn't well liked. People think the guy is senile and clumsy.


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
Nixon is thought of by Baby Boomers as the first ever corrupt president, because they were kids in the 60’s raised by WW2 parents with very big patriotic streaks. The idea of any president not being FDR 2.0 was unthinkable. It’s also important to not that Nixon’s public image was heavily shaped by the dawn of broadcast television. He and Kennedy were famously the first presidents to debate and campaign on television, and it’s thought by many that the additional factor of tv influenced many voters. Kennedy had a face for TV, Nixon did not. This is all a roundabout way of saying that the beginning of modern media helped crystallize Nixon’s image as a ghoulish, racist criminal, which he was but that’s not to say he was the only one, just the one made famous for it. Others in the thread have pointed out that subsequent presidents enjoy better public representations and are portrayed less harshly, but that’s specifically because the media learned very early on how television can be used to obscure the whole picture. Patton Oswalt once joked that modern presidents have all been cast (Cool Elvis type, Funny Cowboy, Black Guy) and it’s not at all far from the truth.


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>>136978802 (OP)
Kinda crazy to think this episode aired just a few months before he passed away


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>>136978802 (OP)
Because he was a villain


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>>136979243
It's funny though because people like JFK look like slimeball politicians too yet nobody ever takes the piss out of him.

Literally was a mob puppet.

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>>136979507
Because JFK was a pussy slaying chad while Nixon was an alcoholic loser


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[User] why does /co/ have a Nixon autist anyway? all the other autists at least make sense since they're /co/ related but this guy is just some fan of Nixon and complains about cartoon portrayals of him

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>>136979708
Contrarianism to get (you)s


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>>136980285
>the Democratic lawmakers feel ignorant and stupid more than they seem cruel.
To the American public. In world terms, the foreign countries have more to fear from a Democrat president than a Republican. Despite what the press may say, Trump was pretty popular worldwide for his nativist platform: America for America, the others can handle themselves.

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>>136980360
>Trump was pretty popular worldwide for his nativist platform

Trump was a worldwide laughing stock. The entire UN literally laughed at his face. The only people who “liked” him were assholes like Duterte, dictators like Kim Jong-Un and wannabe tough guy losers like Bolsonaro.


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>>136978802 (OP)
He's very funny especially when he's annoyed that's why. There were alot of presidents that done things that could've been argued were pretty shitty eg Truman being Truman.

>>136980360
>Trump was pretty popular worldwide
I wouldn't say that. Trump was more popular with some of the middle east (for slowing down the bombing a bit), Russia, Korea, India(kinda) and the boris side of the uk.
The rest of europe, the middle east, the commonwealth realm, CHINA, asian partners and Mexico were not.
He was not the most popular US president internationally, but he did attempt to ease tensions with adversaries, at the cost of trust from allies. Which is worth something on the international stage. I imagine if he had a bit more free reign and had another term it might've been possible to get Russia away from China and we might've avoided this cold war situation we're currently at. Oh well.

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>>136980814
>for slowing down the bombing a bit

WTF are you talking about. Trump literally doubled down on bombing shit. He okayed dropped the MOAB aka Mother of All Bombs and bragged about it. He killed more civilians in just two years than Obama did in EIGHT YEARS because he loosened the rules and gave military basically the right to drone whatever they wanted based on their own judgment. And that was all before he got rid of the transparency policy where the military would regularly have to report their downplayed civilian death stats because he got mad it made him look bad.

The only reason some middle-east countries, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia, liked him was because all you had to do was compliment him a little and bribe him with shit like massive weapons sales and Trump would let you do anything. Fucking Turkey played Trump like a fiddle over Syria and got him to backstab the Kurds, super important allies in fight against ISIS, in a heartbeat because Erdogan just had to kiss Trump’s ass a little.


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>>136980879
>Ukraine is at war
>Afghanistan is a military arms provider now
>Sudan is being torn apart by civil war
>Israel erupted in civil strife
>North Korea has expanded weapon testing after halting for years
>China eying Taiwan
Say what you will but under Trump there was a shit ton less world strife.

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>>136980953
>Israel erupted in civil strife

How exactly would have Trump stopped Israel’s own citizens getting angry at Israel turning even more into a far-right conservative state whose policies are so aggravating to the populace that basically every week thousands of people are out on the streets protesting the policies the government wants to do? Trump was pandering the right wing government of Israel all the time, and shat on American Jews for not being sycophants who’d agree with everything Bibi was doing.


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>>136981510
People will tell you that they literally don't give a shit what someone else's tax rate is so long as they personally have to pay less taxes. You are ignoring the fact that every single time taxes are cut on the rich that they are also cut for the middle and lower classes that do pays income taxes. Yes because the rich were already paying more taxes cutting taxes for everyone cuts taxes for the rich by more but people don't care so long as they personally are also paying less taxes.

Trumps tax cuts cut taxes by 3% for earnings between $9.5k and $82.5K, 4% for earnings between $82.5k and $157.5k, and 1% for earnings between $157.5k and $200k, and 0% between $200k to $500k, and 2.6% for earnings above 500k.

You can say AHA! People earning between 200k and 500k got no tax cut but people earning above 500k got almost as much of a tax cut as the poor. Which is okay fine, people who are "rich" got zero tax cut while the "super rich" got a tax cut, but the super rich generally don't pay "income taxes" as the super rich make their money off investments and so their actual tax rate is generally the Capital Gains tax. The Capital Gains tax was unchanged by the law.

People will complain about CEO PAY! but CEO pay is actually good from a taxing perspective because multi-million dollar salaries are taxable where paying a CEO in stock appreciation isn't as taxable. The theory is that if the tax rate on ultra-high salaries is low, then companies will be more likely to pay a CEO a high salary instead of pulling tricks to avoid paying those ultra-high salaries to avoid taxes. In some ways ultra-high CEO pay is a success of the taxing system as you can get more taxes from 1/3 of a 5 million dollar salary than you can from 2/3 of a 1 million salary. That 1 million pay CEO is however probably getting compensated in other non-taxable ways.

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>>136985541
>You are ignoring the fact that every single time taxes are cut on the rich that they are also cut for the middle and lower classes that do pays income taxes.

Excel the rich and corporations benefit astronomically from tax cuts and already have resources to avoid paying taxes, which they regularly do, and their tax cuts practically always stay permanent while low and middle class tax cuts don’t.


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>>136981778
No one could make fun of Trump properly because it was the same 3 to 5 jokes about him over and over again and it was constantly in your face
Trump was getting made fun of for over a decade in media but once it became political suddenly everyone stopped being capable of telling a funny joke

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>>136982677
>suddenly everyone stopped being capable of telling a funny joke

There were plenty of good jokes. A lot of conservative leaning people just got triggered hard thanks to how easy target Trump was and got their feelings hurt over jokes because their support of Trump is based on aggrievement so any ridicule to him is also a direct personal attack against them. Trump’s base is a cult of personal where he’s hilarious supposed to be the big alpha dog (which is based on him just effectively bullying and shitting on other people) so anything that goes against that is bad and can’t be allowed. Especially jokes that point out what a stupid, fragile fuck he is.


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>>136985541
>You are ignoring the fact that every single time taxes are cut on the rich that they are also cut for the middle and lower classes that do pays income taxes.

Excel the rich and corporations benefit astronomically from tax cuts and already have resources to avoid paying taxes, which they regularly do, and their tax cuts practically always stay permanent while low and middle class tax cuts don’t.

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>>136986896
>the rich and corporations benefit astronomically from tax cuts
I said as much when I said that since they pay the most taxes any tax cut is going to disporportionately benefit them. If you cut taxes the people who pay the most taxes are going to benefit the most.
>already have resources to avoid paying taxes, which they regularly do
I said they already avoid taxes. I also said that dramatically increased CEO salaries is a sign that they are avoid taxes less than they used to, as posted salaries are taxable income but other forms of compensation for tax avoidance is not a posted salary.
>their tax cuts practically always stay permanent while low and middle class tax cuts don’t.
You are just making stuff up here. Both the Bush Tax cuts and the Trump tax cuts have not disapeared for the lower and middle classes. What did happen is that Obama introduced an entirely new tax bracket on the upper end which was 39.6% vs the 35% previous highest bracket (which remained unchanged). What Trump's tax plan did was keep that new tax bracket but change it to 37%. Given that the previous tax bracket below 35% was either 33% of 32% a step up of 2% or 3% is more inline with a smoother tax curve. These changes are too small to get worked up on either end. For instance Obama's new tax bracket was not collecting all that much revenue in comparison to what came before because at the level we are debating there are very few people who actually get salaries at that level. This entire argument is basically asking if the tiny amount of super rich should be paying 4.6% more than the rich (on the portion of their income which is actually taxable income, so not capital gains) or if they should if the super rich should be paying 2% more than the super rich. This is not something to is worth designing your political ideology around regardless of what you think about this, particularly because it entirely revolves around the distinction between the rich and the super rich.


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>>136978802 (OP)

Well, for one good reason he laid the groundwork to make China the dangerous Superpower it is today.

>But America

Look, America at best is Lawful-Evil and at worst Neutral-Evil. While China on the other hand is at best Neutral-Evil and at worst Chaotic-Evil. I'd rather deal with Lawful-Evil over Chaotic-Evil.


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>>136986896
>the rich and corporations benefit astronomically from tax cuts
I said as much when I said that since they pay the most taxes any tax cut is going to disporportionately benefit them. If you cut taxes the people who pay the most taxes are going to benefit the most.
>already have resources to avoid paying taxes, which they regularly do
I said they already avoid taxes. I also said that dramatically increased CEO salaries is a sign that they are avoid taxes less than they used to, as posted salaries are taxable income but other forms of compensation for tax avoidance is not a posted salary.
>their tax cuts practically always stay permanent while low and middle class tax cuts don’t.
You are just making stuff up here. Both the Bush Tax cuts and the Trump tax cuts have not disapeared for the lower and middle classes. What did happen is that Obama introduced an entirely new tax bracket on the upper end which was 39.6% vs the 35% previous highest bracket (which remained unchanged). What Trump's tax plan did was keep that new tax bracket but change it to 37%. Given that the previous tax bracket below 35% was either 33% of 32% a step up of 2% or 3% is more inline with a smoother tax curve. These changes are too small to get worked up on either end. For instance Obama's new tax bracket was not collecting all that much revenue in comparison to what came before because at the level we are debating there are very few people who actually get salaries at that level. This entire argument is basically asking if the tiny amount of super rich should be paying 4.6% more than the rich (on the portion of their income which is actually taxable income, so not capital gains) or if they should if the super rich should be paying 2% more than the super rich. This is not something to is worth designing your political ideology around regardless of what you think about this, particularly because it entirely revolves around the distinction between the rich and the super rich.

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>>136987041
Super rich people shouldn’t exist. Even rich people existing is bad.


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
Because most cartoons are produced by liberal faggots


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>>136978802 (OP)
He was the Trump of his time I.E. the writers had Nixon derangement syndrome.


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>>136978877
> but cheating in elections is an Amerimutt tradition
How is it a tradition if it was stopped?

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>>136980768
>it was stopped
Pfffftt


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>>136987041
Super rich people shouldn’t exist. Even rich people existing is bad.

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>>136987061
This is a different argument entirely. It isn't based on policy making. You cannot say a policy of tax cuts that cut taxes for everyone are bad merely because rich people exist and rich people are included in everyone if your gripe with rich people is that they exist in the first place. Taxing the rich will in no way abolish the rich.

Let's say we "abolish the rich", now the only tax cuts that can happen are lower and middle tax cuts. What you have effectively done is implement a salary cap. This is actually bad for tax revenue collection because you are limiting the scope of tax collection. If you cannot earn above x amount then you cannot tax above x amount. Of course taxes aren't the end of all things, but if it is illegal to earn more than x and you have admitted that the rich avoid taxes, the rich are just going to SOLELY do the things they do to avoid taxes. Thus the point of having it legal to earn hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year is so that the government can collect a third of that instead of making it illegal to be paid that much and collecting none of it.

Income is not the means by which the rich get richer. You are not taxing Jeff Bezos through income taxes. Jeff Bezos earns money off OWNING things (amazon stock) which appreciates in value. When he sells his stock he pays something called a capital gains tax off the difference between the price he paid for the stock and the price he sold it for. Houses, companies, boats, cars, art, farms, etc all work the same way where you pay a capital gains tax on the difference between the price you bought and the price you sold. That is how the super rich make their money. Capital gains tax is generally 15-20% which is around the same rate as the lower and middle end income taxes. That is the real crime here. If a person is not talking about raising the capital gains tax they are fooling you and are not serious about actually raising taxes on the rich so they "pay their fair share".


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>>136978802 (OP)
Funny orange man vs Funny nose man


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>>136980009
Oh, they expanded the law, anon. It's banned in high school now. They can't even mention gays to high school seniors at this point. They "Don't Say Gay" thing was not actually an exaggeration.

And the point still things. Practically every month there's some new cruel and oppressive agenda the Republicans where they lean into the cruelty and show no sympathy towards the people affect. Republicans get depicted as badguys in media because they are the asshole party.

The Democrats DO get lampooned too, but as the useless idiot and philanderer party. It's not as bad, but that's because the Democratic lawmakers feel ignorant and stupid more than they seem cruel.

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>>136980285
>not letting sexual deviants near minors
>cruel and oppressive


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>>136987061
This is a different argument entirely. It isn't based on policy making. You cannot say a policy of tax cuts that cut taxes for everyone are bad merely because rich people exist and rich people are included in everyone if your gripe with rich people is that they exist in the first place. Taxing the rich will in no way abolish the rich.

Let's say we "abolish the rich", now the only tax cuts that can happen are lower and middle tax cuts. What you have effectively done is implement a salary cap. This is actually bad for tax revenue collection because you are limiting the scope of tax collection. If you cannot earn above x amount then you cannot tax above x amount. Of course taxes aren't the end of all things, but if it is illegal to earn more than x and you have admitted that the rich avoid taxes, the rich are just going to SOLELY do the things they do to avoid taxes. Thus the point of having it legal to earn hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year is so that the government can collect a third of that instead of making it illegal to be paid that much and collecting none of it.

Income is not the means by which the rich get richer. You are not taxing Jeff Bezos through income taxes. Jeff Bezos earns money off OWNING things (amazon stock) which appreciates in value. When he sells his stock he pays something called a capital gains tax off the difference between the price he paid for the stock and the price he sold it for. Houses, companies, boats, cars, art, farms, etc all work the same way where you pay a capital gains tax on the difference between the price you bought and the price you sold. That is how the super rich make their money. Capital gains tax is generally 15-20% which is around the same rate as the lower and middle end income taxes. That is the real crime here. If a person is not talking about raising the capital gains tax they are fooling you and are not serious about actually raising taxes on the rich so they "pay their fair share".

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>>136987155
The capital gains tax exists to stop upward mobility. Capital gains is made for rich people


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>>136982051
Sounds like you just wanna hold a grudge and think there's just some big democrat conspiracy.

Nowadays I'd argue maybe, but if this is about Nixon jokes sometimes you just gotta face the fact that writers like to take the easy route. Yes, if you look hard enough you can find funny about any president. But how much is worth the effort when some are basically walking caricatures?

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>>136982124
Clinton had a comedy southern accent and got a blowjob how is there no easy jokes to be made from that


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>>136980814
>for slowing down the bombing a bit

WTF are you talking about. Trump literally doubled down on bombing shit. He okayed dropped the MOAB aka Mother of All Bombs and bragged about it. He killed more civilians in just two years than Obama did in EIGHT YEARS because he loosened the rules and gave military basically the right to drone whatever they wanted based on their own judgment. And that was all before he got rid of the transparency policy where the military would regularly have to report their downplayed civilian death stats because he got mad it made him look bad.

The only reason some middle-east countries, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia, liked him was because all you had to do was compliment him a little and bribe him with shit like massive weapons sales and Trump would let you do anything. Fucking Turkey played Trump like a fiddle over Syria and got him to backstab the Kurds, super important allies in fight against ISIS, in a heartbeat because Erdogan just had to kiss Trump’s ass a little.

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>>136986821
Proofs to your claims?


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>>136982124
Clinton had a comedy southern accent and got a blowjob how is there no easy jokes to be made from that

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>>136987301
Or his wife being a warhawk harridan.


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>>136987155
The capital gains tax exists to stop upward mobility. Capital gains is made for rich people

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>>136987295
I'd be more likely to say the income tax exists to do that than to say the capital gains tax does that.


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>>136987301
Or his wife being a warhawk harridan.

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>>136987310
>harridan
Call me Francis, because I just spotted a boomer


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>>136979235
step outside of the US and you'll find plenty of refreshing takes on the whole deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZnhRYlHiog [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKsLQAeN2E [Embed]

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>>136980364
he's in Petrograd


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>>136987041
Super rich people shouldn’t exist. Even rich people existing is bad.

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>>136987061
Thanks for admitting that you only want higher taxes because you're an envious prick


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>>136979606
Bay of Pigs Invasion

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>>136979648
Cuba takeover
and their batshit crazy 'Northwood' idea.


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>>136981466
He was too amicable. Raegan's "trickle down" thing is what he's famous for in terms of how he hurt the nation, but conceptually it's so complicated that some people will still tell you that a tax break for the rich will make the working class better off. It's hard to make short-hand comedy off so at most they make fun of Raegan's dementia sometimes - though that comes across as cruel so it's rare too.

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>>136981510
The great irony to that "trickle down" term is that it better describes the Democrat platform than Reagan's supply side economic plan.

Seriously which tax plan sounds more like a "trickle down" plan?
>We're going to let you keep more of your income by taxing you less
Or
>We're going to take more of your income so that we as the government can pay people to decide how to spend it, then spend it on programs that may or may not even benefit you, and then pay people to run those programs that may or may not benefit you, so by the point you actually recieve any benefit from those programs we'll have already spent most the money paying ourselves. But hey at least you got something out of it right?


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
Every generation of American liberals has a different Republican boogeyman.

Nixon for Boomers.
Reagan for X.
Bush Jr. for Millenials.
Trump for Zoomers.

Boomers ran media when these shows were made. Do the math.


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>>136980334
>put an end to the genocide
>with a full-scale ethnocide

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>>136980382
Chad_yes.png


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>>136981510
The great irony to that "trickle down" term is that it better describes the Democrat platform than Reagan's supply side economic plan.

Seriously which tax plan sounds more like a "trickle down" plan?
>We're going to let you keep more of your income by taxing you less
Or
>We're going to take more of your income so that we as the government can pay people to decide how to spend it, then spend it on programs that may or may not even benefit you, and then pay people to run those programs that may or may not benefit you, so by the point you actually recieve any benefit from those programs we'll have already spent most the money paying ourselves. But hey at least you got something out of it right?

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>>136988102
Do you even know what "trickle down" theory refers to?


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>>136978877
Nixon ended the Vietnam war which was started by Kennedy and accelerated by Johnson.

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>>136985052
He literally extended the war by sabotaging Johnson's peace talks


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>>136988102
Do you even know what "trickle down" theory refers to?

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>>136988134
I do, and I'm explaining why referring to it as such is fucking retarded.
No one thought they're employer was gonna pay them more, they just heard they'd keep more of their income to do with what they want. But you wanna learn a great irony no leftist economist will tell you? Under Reagan's tax plan the US tax revenue actually increased as a result of people spending more money to reinvigorate the economy. So even the tax revenue assholes can't argue against supply side economics.


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[User] Because he was a villain irl

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>>136978802 (OP)
What I've learned about the President of the United States from TV shows:

Nixon - Devilish Evil, Ugly, Slapstick evil character such as a Bugs Bunny villain.
Kennedy - A true Chad. Someone who made everything look cool and really represented America as a cool nation where anything is possible. Or the Old Chad America with the dream against the Degenerate Loser America without dream.
Bush Sr. - He puked on Jap president. Vendicative old man, but he defeated Soviets
Bush Jr. - A demented child surrounded by warmonger people. It's not evil, it's only stupid.
Carter - Stupid, fat, lazy, weak. The distorted and dark mirror where every ordinary man sees his degeneration.
Obama - Cool Black Man. He's black! He's cool! He plays basketball, he jumps, he dances. He is cool.
Clinton - Denice the menace becomes president. He is a sax-lover rascal.
Trump - Orange Dr.Evil, more stupid, more cruel. Yes! He is like Nero. The American Nero.
Theodore Roosevelt - The original Chad. The true man who makes America great and humiliated queer Euros with their stupid hats, stupid barbarian Chinese. ugly Japs, and Gringos.
F.D.R. - He won the war.
Wilson - He won the war, but he isn't cool as the two Roosevelt.
Eisenhower - Smiling president.
Garfield - Bomb in lasagna


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>>136978802 (OP)
What I've learned about the President of the United States from TV shows:

Nixon - Devilish Evil, Ugly, Slapstick evil character such as a Bugs Bunny villain.
Kennedy - A true Chad. Someone who made everything look cool and really represented America as a cool nation where anything is possible. Or the Old Chad America with the dream against the Degenerate Loser America without dream.
Bush Sr. - He puked on Jap president. Vendicative old man, but he defeated Soviets
Bush Jr. - A demented child surrounded by warmonger people. It's not evil, it's only stupid.
Carter - Stupid, fat, lazy, weak. The distorted and dark mirror where every ordinary man sees his degeneration.
Obama - Cool Black Man. He's black! He's cool! He plays basketball, he jumps, he dances. He is cool.
Clinton - Denice the menace becomes president. He is a sax-lover rascal.
Trump - Orange Dr.Evil, more stupid, more cruel. Yes! He is like Nero. The American Nero.
Theodore Roosevelt - The original Chad. The true man who makes America great and humiliated queer Euros with their stupid hats, stupid barbarian Chinese. ugly Japs, and Gringos.
F.D.R. - He won the war.
Wilson - He won the war, but he isn't cool as the two Roosevelt.
Eisenhower - Smiling president.
Garfield - Bomb in lasagna

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>>136988248
>Garfield - Bomb in lasagna


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>>136988102
Do you even know what "trickle down" theory refers to?

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>>136988134
There is no trickle down theory. That is just what opponents called it.

Ironically the closest statement that would ever come close to making an argument that the wealth would trickle down was when Kenedy said "A rising tide will lift all boats" in response to criticism to his tax plan that went from 91% down to 65% without any corresponding spending cuts. Kennedy essentially argued that he didn't need to accompany his tax cuts with spending cuts because the economy would grow enough to compensate for them because tax cuts would boost the economy.

The laffer curve is the closest thing to "trickle down theory" where it is believed that tax cuts can actually boost revenue if the tax rates are high economy, as it is believed that there is an optimal tax rate for collecting revenue and that optimal rate in some cases might be lower than the actual rate. For Kennedy the Laffer curve was likely true as 91% taxes basically causes tax avoidance as everyone desperately tries to avoid ever having to pay those taxes. Essentially they offer stuff like health insurance, executive vehicles or housing, company trips, etc to compensate instead of outright pay which is taxable. However Kenedy did not make a laffer curve economic, he literally invented the concept of EVERYONE benefiting from a "rising tide" which was never something proponents of the laffer curve ever claimed as a main selling point of their theory even if it might have been a side effect. Boosting the economy has never been something proponents of laffer curve theory said before than as they had always been focused solely on revenue collection reasoning.

So not only has no Republican ever argued for "trickle down economics" and that is purely a Democrat strawman, the actually positive arguments for something which could approach what trickle down economic might be was invented by a Democrat.


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>>136985052
He literally extended the war by sabotaging Johnson's peace talks

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>>136988150
Okay lets say that Russia has just launched a major offensive in Ukraine, one they have made a big deal about saying that it is the final push to end the war. It was actually effective and there were points where you weren't sure if it was going to turn out well. Fortuntely the offensive was repulsed, however because an election is drawing near Biden is pressuring Zelensky to take a peace deal NOW even though Russia has just exhausted itself in an offensive instead of waiting to take advantage of the enemies temporary weakness to get your ground position in a better place to negotiate. Trump might call Zelensky and say "you don't need to make peace before the election because I will also be looking to make peace if you want it". Is that "sabotaging the peace talks?" or is it just letting the actual people who have to do the negotiating know they have more options.

Johnson was trying to bring an end to the war because the DNC convention was essentially host to riots calling for his head which coincided with the Tet offensive I mentioned. The Democratic Party was acting under duress as they didn't want to get killed by their supporters. While it did prolong the war by not ending the war immediately after the Tet offensive, it did put time in between the offensive and the actual conclusion of the war. From the perspective of not looking like the offensive had been the final blow it made it seem like the US was withdrawing under its own terms and South Vietnam likely got a better deal out of it even it was ultimately invaded despite that deal. That North Vietnam had to violate the deal they made with the South in order to take it over was an immense propaganda win. Had negotiations been carried out immediately after the Tet offensive it is likely that North Vietnam would have wanted to have its control of South Vietnam signed off upon by the negotiations. As a result of waiting the South had 2 years of "independence" without US involvement.


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>>136987061
Thanks for admitting that you only want higher taxes because you're an envious prick

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>>136988073
>envious

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Spoken like a true materialist dipshit.


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>>136986821
Proofs to your claims?

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>>136987307
They’re not claims, they’re widely reported and easily googlable facts.


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>>136988073
>envious

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Spoken like a true materialist dipshit.

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>>136988417
>I'm not a materialist!
>I just hate how others have things I don't!
You really showed us anon.


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>>136988134
I do, and I'm explaining why referring to it as such is fucking retarded.
No one thought they're employer was gonna pay them more, they just heard they'd keep more of their income to do with what they want. But you wanna learn a great irony no leftist economist will tell you? Under Reagan's tax plan the US tax revenue actually increased as a result of people spending more money to reinvigorate the economy. So even the tax revenue assholes can't argue against supply side economics.

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>>136988164
Except all it does is make rich people richer and everyone else poorer and repeatedly fails to when tried.It’s a myth conservatives love to believe in because it means less taxes


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>>136988417
>I'm not a materialist!
>I just hate how others have things I don't!
You really showed us anon.

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>>136988435
No, what I hate is the dystopian level inequality we live in where the rich fucks have delusions about being better than everyone else simply because they have money and then kick down the poor and call them lazy, even though most wealth today has nothing to do with hard work and merit, and instead has everything to do with what zip code you are born in and how much wealth you inherit.


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>>136988164
Except all it does is make rich people richer and everyone else poorer and repeatedly fails to when tried.It’s a myth conservatives love to believe in because it means less taxes

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>>136988438
And what proof to you have to support such a claim? Economic mobility was high in the 1980s and early 90s hell it's still surprisingly high now. How in any way can cutting taxes harm the middle class? How does increased taxation and government spending ensure that the upper class doesn't become more exclusive? How do higher taxes not harm the middle and lower classes? From the arguments you've postulated throughout this thread I can't see any logic behind your arguments, everything appears to be a gut emotional response.


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>>136988438
And what proof to you have to support such a claim? Economic mobility was high in the 1980s and early 90s hell it's still surprisingly high now. How in any way can cutting taxes harm the middle class? How does increased taxation and government spending ensure that the upper class doesn't become more exclusive? How do higher taxes not harm the middle and lower classes? From the arguments you've postulated throughout this thread I can't see any logic behind your arguments, everything appears to be a gut emotional response.

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>>136988477
Our current shitshow is a direct result of the 80's and 90's


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>>136988477
Our current shitshow is a direct result of the 80's and 90's

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>>136988486
Hold on so the 30/40 years since the 1980s and early 90s had absolutely no effect on our current status in anyway? It's all the direct result of one singular admin and not the compounding of hundreds of seperate variables caused by multiple administrations over the course of decades? Just mean old Reagan and his dumb trickle down economics? Anon take a moment to listen to yourself and ask if maybe you're looking for an easy strawman to place all your hate and blame all your failures on because that is exactly what you're doing. The fact you can't provide any logistical reasoning behind your observations is the most telling aspect of your flawed world view.


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>>136988164
Except all it does is make rich people richer and everyone else poorer and repeatedly fails to when tried.It’s a myth conservatives love to believe in because it means less taxes

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>>136988438
The rich get rich through CAPITAL GAINS which are taxed at lower to middle income tax rates. This is an entirely seperate issue than the top marginal income tax rate that all tax debates center.

What lower top marginal income tax rates do is cause CEO pay to increase to higher levels. The reason is that if you have a 91% top marginal income tax rate, no CEO is going to ask for a multi-million dollar SALARY. While this seems bad, increasing taxable income is the entire point of not having a 91% top marginal tax rate, with the idea being that you will get higher tax revenue levels if you get CEOs being paid in taxable income rather than in alternative ways.

However CEOs getting multi-million dollar salaries is NOT how the rich get richer. CEOs are rich but they technically work for rich people as managers. It is the people who own the companies the CEOs manage who are the rich who are getting richer.

To use an example people might understand in the Spider Man movies Oscorp is run by its founder, Osborn (Green Goblin), but he gets removed from his "own company" by the board. That board works on behalf of the owners of Oscorp. Now Green Goblin is a rich guy who probaly does own a substantial portion of Oscorp, he likely does not own a controlling stake (51%, which another episode of Yugioh detailed where Kaiba defeats his father by getting together 49% of the company as for some inexplicable reason Mokuba owns 2% of the shares and sides with Kaiba, and thus flips the controlling stake from their adoptive father to the teenaged Seto Kaiba). The other owners are thus removing green goblin from being CEO of Oscorp. The Green Goblin is still rich however because he owns a substantial (but non-controlling stake) of Oscorp. The only position they could remove him from is the CEO position because the CEO position is technically an employee of the owners. Usually if the CEO is founder he might still have a decent chunk of the shares of the company, but may not.


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>>136988486
Hold on so the 30/40 years since the 1980s and early 90s had absolutely no effect on our current status in anyway? It's all the direct result of one singular admin and not the compounding of hundreds of seperate variables caused by multiple administrations over the course of decades? Just mean old Reagan and his dumb trickle down economics? Anon take a moment to listen to yourself and ask if maybe you're looking for an easy strawman to place all your hate and blame all your failures on because that is exactly what you're doing. The fact you can't provide any logistical reasoning behind your observations is the most telling aspect of your flawed world view.

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>>136988524
Considering how we’ve consistently just lowered and cut taxes and mostly deregulated the financial sector, yes. The world today is in many ways direct legacy Reagan’s policies have left behind, especially in terms of the democrats being too afraid to do anything except run to the right in the name of being centrists. Clinton did it, Obama did it, Biden is doing it. Every time they had the power to do major changes they cowered and went for the most right-to-centres option and supporting market based neoliberalism.


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>>136978802 (OP)
Probably because the Watergate scandal made the Animators of the 90s who were kids in the 70s to see Nixon as a traitor to America.

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>>136978951
I suspect there were liberals too so I'm sure they weren't a fan of Nixon to begin with


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>>136988435
No, what I hate is the dystopian level inequality we live in where the rich fucks have delusions about being better than everyone else simply because they have money and then kick down the poor and call them lazy, even though most wealth today has nothing to do with hard work and merit, and instead has everything to do with what zip code you are born in and how much wealth you inherit.

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>>136988456
Income taxes do exactly nothing to remedy inherited wealth.

For that zipcode example, rich people don't get rich through salaries, they get rich through owning things that are valuable so if you own a home in a high land value zipcode like silicon valley or malibu, chances are your on paper wealth is going to be pretty fucking high.


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>>136988438
The rich get rich through CAPITAL GAINS which are taxed at lower to middle income tax rates. This is an entirely seperate issue than the top marginal income tax rate that all tax debates center.

What lower top marginal income tax rates do is cause CEO pay to increase to higher levels. The reason is that if you have a 91% top marginal income tax rate, no CEO is going to ask for a multi-million dollar SALARY. While this seems bad, increasing taxable income is the entire point of not having a 91% top marginal tax rate, with the idea being that you will get higher tax revenue levels if you get CEOs being paid in taxable income rather than in alternative ways.

However CEOs getting multi-million dollar salaries is NOT how the rich get richer. CEOs are rich but they technically work for rich people as managers. It is the people who own the companies the CEOs manage who are the rich who are getting richer.

To use an example people might understand in the Spider Man movies Oscorp is run by its founder, Osborn (Green Goblin), but he gets removed from his "own company" by the board. That board works on behalf of the owners of Oscorp. Now Green Goblin is a rich guy who probaly does own a substantial portion of Oscorp, he likely does not own a controlling stake (51%, which another episode of Yugioh detailed where Kaiba defeats his father by getting together 49% of the company as for some inexplicable reason Mokuba owns 2% of the shares and sides with Kaiba, and thus flips the controlling stake from their adoptive father to the teenaged Seto Kaiba). The other owners are thus removing green goblin from being CEO of Oscorp. The Green Goblin is still rich however because he owns a substantial (but non-controlling stake) of Oscorp. The only position they could remove him from is the CEO position because the CEO position is technically an employee of the owners. Usually if the CEO is founder he might still have a decent chunk of the shares of the company, but may not.

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>>136988527
>The reason is that if you have a 91% top marginal income tax rate, no CEO is going to ask for a multi-million dollar SALARY.

Which would be a good thing, when you also taxed their capital gains. The idea of allowing billionaires to exist is sick. And CEOs with astronomical salaries are a joke given how much they can run the company to the ground, get a golden parachute and then do the same thing in another company while workers are laid off and bear the actual high price for incompetence.


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>>136988477
Our current shitshow is a direct result of the 80's and 90's

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>>136988486
Lowering taxes was the least of your problems there as Kennedy had already done exactly that.


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>>136988456
Income taxes do exactly nothing to remedy inherited wealth.

For that zipcode example, rich people don't get rich through salaries, they get rich through owning things that are valuable so if you own a home in a high land value zipcode like silicon valley or malibu, chances are your on paper wealth is going to be pretty fucking high.

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>>136988591
That’s why you also tax other things, like estates. And shouldn’t allow rich people to “donate” their wealth to charity via foundations that are just scams to allow their kids to control the money while saving tons of money in taxes by doing so.


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>>136979235
I think people feel that his intervention in Yugoslavia was "justified". Help that you don't hear anyone from there complain about it.

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>>136979891
I would suspect it's also because most Americans couldn't even find it on a map and fight really care since it doesn't affect then in any way. Domestic affairs are much more important to the average voter, both in the US and elsewhere.


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>>136988524
Considering how we’ve consistently just lowered and cut taxes and mostly deregulated the financial sector, yes. The world today is in many ways direct legacy Reagan’s policies have left behind, especially in terms of the democrats being too afraid to do anything except run to the right in the name of being centrists. Clinton did it, Obama did it, Biden is doing it. Every time they had the power to do major changes they cowered and went for the most right-to-centres option and supporting market based neoliberalism.

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>>136988572
If the problem is Democrats "running to the right:" after Reagan adopted a Democrat's (Kennedy's) policy, don't you think maybe the problem was just the Democrats all along. There is remarkable consistency amongst those Democrats while every Republican is substantially different. Hell Reagan (who was originally a Democrat) was fucking criticized for his "voodoo economics" by Bush SR.


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>>136979693
Okay. Disney owns Fox. Fox owns the Simpsons. A Republican has been trying to fuck with Disney as a penalty for questioning a law he passed which now bans kids from learning about being gay in school, full stop.

Gee, oh why does the media often treat Republicans like bad people. What could be the cause. Whatever did the Republicans ever do, besides all the things they have always done, to artists and media that would artists and media not like Republicans. It must be a conspiracy.

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>>136979829
I'm not even American and I know you're full of shit. You don't have a right to access other people's kids.


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>>136988524
Considering how we’ve consistently just lowered and cut taxes and mostly deregulated the financial sector, yes. The world today is in many ways direct legacy Reagan’s policies have left behind, especially in terms of the democrats being too afraid to do anything except run to the right in the name of being centrists. Clinton did it, Obama did it, Biden is doing it. Every time they had the power to do major changes they cowered and went for the most right-to-centres option and supporting market based neoliberalism.

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>>136988572
>mostly deregulated the financial sector
Anon the financial sector has been restricted intensely over the years. Try starting a business and you'll see what I mean. There is more red tape today than ever before when it comes to corporate startups and business regulations.


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>>136988456
Income taxes do exactly nothing to remedy inherited wealth.

For that zipcode example, rich people don't get rich through salaries, they get rich through owning things that are valuable so if you own a home in a high land value zipcode like silicon valley or malibu, chances are your on paper wealth is going to be pretty fucking high.

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>>136988591
Why shouldn't a person that worked their ass off be allowed to provide that wealth to their families? Why should anyone be punished for trying to give their children a better life than they had? I want to leave my child my house and wealth you want me to suffer because I worked to provide my child something? Fuck you and every retard that thinks like you. Not everyone providing an inheritance is some rich dickwad. You're only hurting people like me you selfish cunt.


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>>136988527
>The reason is that if you have a 91% top marginal income tax rate, no CEO is going to ask for a multi-million dollar SALARY.

Which would be a good thing, when you also taxed their capital gains. The idea of allowing billionaires to exist is sick. And CEOs with astronomical salaries are a joke given how much they can run the company to the ground, get a golden parachute and then do the same thing in another company while workers are laid off and bear the actual high price for incompetence.

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>>136988596
>And CEOs with astronomical salaries are a joke given how much they can run the company to the ground, get a golden parachute and then do the same thing in another company
Any fucking board who hires a CEO after they run a company into the ground and "get a golden parachute" is fucking retarded. Okay I understand feeling upset about a difference in treatment between management and workers, but what you are describing is ownership being objectively retarded in regards to picking a manager for the company that they own.

If for instance you are complaining about Romney's strategy of buying companies to sell the pieces from scraps, then I can understand being upset about Romney specifically, but keep in mind that Obamacare was literally the health plan that Romney signed into law as Massachusetts governor, and additionally Romney was considered the golden boy of the Never Trumpers.

However barring the perspective that someone is trying to do a romney-esque "investing for parts strategy", hiring a golden parachute CEO who goes from place to place is stupid as fuck. I know it happens, for instance a guy (not a ceo but still upper management) went from Lehman Brothers to Silicon Valley Bank, but I still consider this to be an objectively retarded hiring decision. If this is big problem it can only be the way if rich people are complete retards.


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>>136978802 (OP)
>Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?
Because he looks funny and he did a funny, introducing Americans to the concept that leaders can be corrupt and self-serving. He wasn't even that fucking bad - there have been presidents who's policy has had catastrophic effects even decades later (LBJ and Reagan) and presidents who's corruption has been even worse (Hello, Obama and Biden) but Nixon sticks around for the aformentioned reasons.

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>>136979538
Why didn't you mention Trump? Too obvious?


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>>136979507
>>136979235
>>136979538
>>136979883

People keep thinking there's this big conspiracy about presidents getting ridiculed or not when in reality is super simple.

Some are just easier to write for.

Yes JFK was a terrible president, but most if not all of his actions were just general evil; Boring, nothing to really drive humor from. Nixon meanwhile looked like a goddamn cartoon and him getting round out felt way more cartoonishly evil so it made a good scapegoat.

It's the same thing with Trump, presidents who act so over the top that writing about them is just way easier than Biden or Obama who besides terrible presidencies, they are as funny as cold outmeal.

JFK may have been terrible, but he had a good PR. So his chipper sax loving attitude was up front and made it so the only people that'd understand a more specific joke about JFK's actual run as presidency would need to be up to date on politics.

It's why once the affairs went to light, it was all just about that. Cause that's the stuff the general audiences latched on fast.

TL;DR, a comedy writer if they have to choose between writing about a president's term where they have to count of their audience to read a Wikipedia article or write about how another president where he basically is some goofy silly man that people can understand easy, they'll chose the latter

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>>136981941
What JFK has going for him that people always cite is while he was a neo lib who loved the older generals and everything, the bay of pigs basically changed the way he viewed those people because they were constantly begging for what would've been the end of the world. Of course, the situation itself was his fault (not that any other president would've prevented it), but he actually recognized that post incident and established back channels to Cuba and Russia so this shit never happens again and tried to get withdraw some troops from Vietnam. Also, the CIA fucking despised him. People don't understand you can be a horrible neolib but someone like Allen Dulles can still be like a million times worse and hate JFK for being soft.

JFK gets the endearing thing also because he was somewhat charismatic and younger looking, kind of like Obama.


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>>136988572
If the problem is Democrats "running to the right:" after Reagan adopted a Democrat's (Kennedy's) policy, don't you think maybe the problem was just the Democrats all along. There is remarkable consistency amongst those Democrats while every Republican is substantially different. Hell Reagan (who was originally a Democrat) was fucking criticized for his "voodoo economics" by Bush SR.

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>>136988642
The problems still lies in right wing economic policies that the democrats have been strongly kowtowing to since the 80s when they lost power to Reagan. Kennedy was already going to that direction rather than following FDR and Carter was awful in his own way, this is accurate, but since Reagan the economic policies have consistently been driven more and more to the right by republicans as they are the ones making major policy changes while democrats at best tinker with the new status quo and barely roll anything back. Obama famously made Bush’s tax cuts permanent for example and was offering to cut social security to get republicans on board to get bipartisan bills made, but thankfully republicans were more interested in spitting on Barry’s face and blocking everything.

You can blame democrats for failing to offer a real alternative but that does not absolve the republicans for having successfully pushed awful policies for several decades at this point.

>>136988655
Oh please, they literally loosened banking regulations under Trump.


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>>136988572
>mostly deregulated the financial sector
Anon the financial sector has been restricted intensely over the years. Try starting a business and you'll see what I mean. There is more red tape today than ever before when it comes to corporate startups and business regulations.

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>>136988642
The problems still lies in right wing economic policies that the democrats have been strongly kowtowing to since the 80s when they lost power to Reagan. Kennedy was already going to that direction rather than following FDR and Carter was awful in his own way, this is accurate, but since Reagan the economic policies have consistently been driven more and more to the right by republicans as they are the ones making major policy changes while democrats at best tinker with the new status quo and barely roll anything back. Obama famously made Bush’s tax cuts permanent for example and was offering to cut social security to get republicans on board to get bipartisan bills made, but thankfully republicans were more interested in spitting on Barry’s face and blocking everything.

You can blame democrats for failing to offer a real alternative but that does not absolve the republicans for having successfully pushed awful policies for several decades at this point.

>>136988655
Oh please, they literally loosened banking regulations under Trump.


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>>136978802 (OP)
NDS

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>>136978892
Man, Nixon is living rent free in these writers heads.


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>>136988642
The problems still lies in right wing economic policies that the democrats have been strongly kowtowing to since the 80s when they lost power to Reagan. Kennedy was already going to that direction rather than following FDR and Carter was awful in his own way, this is accurate, but since Reagan the economic policies have consistently been driven more and more to the right by republicans as they are the ones making major policy changes while democrats at best tinker with the new status quo and barely roll anything back. Obama famously made Bush’s tax cuts permanent for example and was offering to cut social security to get republicans on board to get bipartisan bills made, but thankfully republicans were more interested in spitting on Barry’s face and blocking everything.

You can blame democrats for failing to offer a real alternative but that does not absolve the republicans for having successfully pushed awful policies for several decades at this point.

>>136988655
Oh please, they literally loosened banking regulations under Trump.

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>>136988743
>liking FDR
No wonder you're retarded.


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>>136988591
That’s why you also tax other things, like estates. And shouldn’t allow rich people to “donate” their wealth to charity via foundations that are just scams to allow their kids to control the money while saving tons of money in taxes by doing so.

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>>136988608
again none of these things have anything to do with income taxes which is where "trickle down economics" get applied as a strawman.

Also in terms of this thread Nixon was notable for having introduced a "alternative minimum tax" for high earners who had previously avoided paying taxes through deductions or exemptions. He also increased the threshold before someone (called the personal deduction) so he effectively abolished income taxes for the very poor.

While he did decrease the highest bracket from 70% to 50%, but again Kenedy started this trend, combined with the alternative minimum taxation scheme though, I don't see this as a tax cut so much as a restructuring of taxes away from the previous system of immense levels of deductions coupled with high taxes nobody payed because of all those deductions.

Nixon also increased the long term capital gains tax above $50k from 25% to 35%. Had we kept the nixon capital gains tax there would be no discrepancy between capital gains and income taxes for high earners. (However at the time the income tax for high earners was 70% and was decreased to 50%)

He additionally also vastly improved the criteria for "charities" to be tax immune.

Nixon is unironically the best fucking president ever. He solved literally all our issues 50 years ago.


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>>136979829
I'm not even American and I know you're full of shit. You don't have a right to access other people's kids.

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>>136988650
What anon seems to be saying, cartoon writers making fun of Republicans because Disney is nettled at DeSantis because DeSantis is attacking Disney's fiefdom privileges because Disney criticized DeSantis because DeSantis wants to outlaw sex ed, is... not visibly related to Disney's "right to access other people's kids", unless considered as an extension of their parents' wallets.


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>>136988608
again none of these things have anything to do with income taxes which is where "trickle down economics" get applied as a strawman.

Also in terms of this thread Nixon was notable for having introduced a "alternative minimum tax" for high earners who had previously avoided paying taxes through deductions or exemptions. He also increased the threshold before someone (called the personal deduction) so he effectively abolished income taxes for the very poor.

While he did decrease the highest bracket from 70% to 50%, but again Kenedy started this trend, combined with the alternative minimum taxation scheme though, I don't see this as a tax cut so much as a restructuring of taxes away from the previous system of immense levels of deductions coupled with high taxes nobody payed because of all those deductions.

Nixon also increased the long term capital gains tax above $50k from 25% to 35%. Had we kept the nixon capital gains tax there would be no discrepancy between capital gains and income taxes for high earners. (However at the time the income tax for high earners was 70% and was decreased to 50%)

He additionally also vastly improved the criteria for "charities" to be tax immune.

Nixon is unironically the best fucking president ever. He solved literally all our issues 50 years ago.

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>>136988814
>Nixon is unironically the best fucking president ever. He solved literally all our issues 50 years ago
NTA but removing the Gold Standard and opening up China fucked us over way too much to call him a good president.


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>>136988743
>liking FDR
No wonder you're retarded.

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>>136988777
A fair point, unfortunately i have already depicted you as the seething steam train


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>>136988608
again none of these things have anything to do with income taxes which is where "trickle down economics" get applied as a strawman.

Also in terms of this thread Nixon was notable for having introduced a "alternative minimum tax" for high earners who had previously avoided paying taxes through deductions or exemptions. He also increased the threshold before someone (called the personal deduction) so he effectively abolished income taxes for the very poor.

While he did decrease the highest bracket from 70% to 50%, but again Kenedy started this trend, combined with the alternative minimum taxation scheme though, I don't see this as a tax cut so much as a restructuring of taxes away from the previous system of immense levels of deductions coupled with high taxes nobody payed because of all those deductions.

Nixon also increased the long term capital gains tax above $50k from 25% to 35%. Had we kept the nixon capital gains tax there would be no discrepancy between capital gains and income taxes for high earners. (However at the time the income tax for high earners was 70% and was decreased to 50%)

He additionally also vastly improved the criteria for "charities" to be tax immune.

Nixon is unironically the best fucking president ever. He solved literally all our issues 50 years ago.

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>>136988814
Outsourcing jobs to china is based, as we know


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>>136988642
The problems still lies in right wing economic policies that the democrats have been strongly kowtowing to since the 80s when they lost power to Reagan. Kennedy was already going to that direction rather than following FDR and Carter was awful in his own way, this is accurate, but since Reagan the economic policies have consistently been driven more and more to the right by republicans as they are the ones making major policy changes while democrats at best tinker with the new status quo and barely roll anything back. Obama famously made Bush’s tax cuts permanent for example and was offering to cut social security to get republicans on board to get bipartisan bills made, but thankfully republicans were more interested in spitting on Barry’s face and blocking everything.

You can blame democrats for failing to offer a real alternative but that does not absolve the republicans for having successfully pushed awful policies for several decades at this point.

>>136988655
Oh please, they literally loosened banking regulations under Trump.

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>>136988743
>The problems still lies in right wing economic policies that the democrats have been strongly kowtowing to since the 80s when they lost power to Reagan.
You aren't avoiding the absolute nonsense of regarding Reagan as some mystical force who can influence all his opponents merely by having beaten them. The Democrats and Blairite Labour Party people made a choice to be Neo-Liberal. Reagan and Thatcher were just Conservatives being Conservative. It shouldn't be suprising if a conservative acts like a conservative. What is an odd political development is if their apparently "liberal or labour" opponents follow them. You can't blame Reagan (a democrat) for the Democrat decision to follow him especially because as I stated "a rising tide lifting all boats" was already Kennedy's slogan. It is democrats all the way down.

>Carter was awful in his own way
Yes Carter started a lot of the policies that can be regarded as "neo-liberalism" after having defeated Nixon's chosen successor Gerald Ford. It was moving away from Nixonians where all this shit started. Kennedy himself had ran against Nixon even.


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>>136980360
>Trump was pretty popular worldwide for his nativist platform
You got a source for that?
The Japanese disliked him compared to his predecessor
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018/11/12/views-of-the-u-s-and-president-trump/
so did the Europeans
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/11/europe-loved-obama-trump-us-president-democracy

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>>136980510
>The Guardian


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>>136988743
>The problems still lies in right wing economic policies that the democrats have been strongly kowtowing to since the 80s when they lost power to Reagan.
You aren't avoiding the absolute nonsense of regarding Reagan as some mystical force who can influence all his opponents merely by having beaten them. The Democrats and Blairite Labour Party people made a choice to be Neo-Liberal. Reagan and Thatcher were just Conservatives being Conservative. It shouldn't be suprising if a conservative acts like a conservative. What is an odd political development is if their apparently "liberal or labour" opponents follow them. You can't blame Reagan (a democrat) for the Democrat decision to follow him especially because as I stated "a rising tide lifting all boats" was already Kennedy's slogan. It is democrats all the way down.

>Carter was awful in his own way
Yes Carter started a lot of the policies that can be regarded as "neo-liberalism" after having defeated Nixon's chosen successor Gerald Ford. It was moving away from Nixonians where all this shit started. Kennedy himself had ran against Nixon even.

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>>136988918
NTA but if they are kowtowing to his right wing economic policies then they can't be seriously described as his opponents, not in that sphere.


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I dunno probably has to do with ruining the third world to stop le communism

There's also that stealing campaign secrets thing but cheating in elections is an Amerimutt tradition so who cares

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>>136978877
> ruining the third world

They don’t need help for that


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>>136978877
> ruining the third world

They don’t need help for that

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>>136989016
but they will get plenty of help regardless


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>>136978877
Nixon ended the Vietnam war which was started by Kennedy and accelerated by Johnson.

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>>136985052
Nixon sabotaged peace talks so he could claim to be the one that ended it
He started the southern strategy
Nixon was a villain


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
His entirely political career was being a suck up and doing things in secret to maintain his power. Eisenhower hated him.


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>>136978802 (OP)
I assumed it was because his caricature and voice provided itself really well to the old age of cartoony mixed-ages shows.


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>>136985052
Nixon sabotaged peace talks so he could claim to be the one that ended it
He started the southern strategy
Nixon was a villain

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>>136989039
>southern strategy
I love hearing retards spout this shit because it so obviously didn't happen.
>the republicans got racist southerners to vote for them!
>Ignore that the south consistently voted democrat until the early 2000s
>the democrats became the party for minorities while Republicans became racist in the 60s!
>Ignore that the democrats didn't vote for their first black senator until the 90s
>Johnson was so heckin cool helping the civil rights movement
>"I did it so those niggers will be voting for us for the next 200 years" -LBJ
It's all so tiresome.


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>>136989039
>southern strategy
I love hearing retards spout this shit because it so obviously didn't happen.
>the republicans got racist southerners to vote for them!
>Ignore that the south consistently voted democrat until the early 2000s
>the democrats became the party for minorities while Republicans became racist in the 60s!
>Ignore that the democrats didn't vote for their first black senator until the 90s
>Johnson was so heckin cool helping the civil rights movement
>"I did it so those niggers will be voting for us for the next 200 years" -LBJ
It's all so tiresome.

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>>136989088
>Actually arguing the southern strategy doesn't exist
>When Goldwater was completely open and candid about it
>When Lee Atwater's famous quote exists
You've fallen for propaganda you ignorant fuck


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>>136989039
>southern strategy
I love hearing retards spout this shit because it so obviously didn't happen.
>the republicans got racist southerners to vote for them!
>Ignore that the south consistently voted democrat until the early 2000s
>the democrats became the party for minorities while Republicans became racist in the 60s!
>Ignore that the democrats didn't vote for their first black senator until the 90s
>Johnson was so heckin cool helping the civil rights movement
>"I did it so those niggers will be voting for us for the next 200 years" -LBJ
It's all so tiresome.

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>>136989088
>the republicans got racist southerners to vote for them!
>Ignore that the south consistently voted democrat until the early 2000s
>Goldwater? I barely know 'er


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>>136989088
>Actually arguing the southern strategy doesn't exist
>When Goldwater was completely open and candid about it
>When Lee Atwater's famous quote exists
You've fallen for propaganda you ignorant fuck

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>>136989139
>>136989165
>Goldwater looses bigly
>so much so he needs to blame his successors success on racism
Yeah let's ignore the hard evidence of voting paterns and party actions and just listen to a sore loser.


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>>136989088
>the republicans got racist southerners to vote for them!
>Ignore that the south consistently voted democrat until the early 2000s
>Goldwater? I barely know 'er

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>>136989139
>>136989165
>Goldwater looses bigly
>so much so he needs to blame his successors success on racism
Yeah let's ignore the hard evidence of voting paterns and party actions and just listen to a sore loser.