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>>136657706
The original idea of the show was that Bob was struggling but had the potential to one day make it. Like the story was taking place in the period where his food was an undiscovered gem. But the nature of a floating timeline dictates that practically all these events of meeting celebrity chefs and getting their food acknowledged has all somehow happened within a 1-2 year period so no matter what the restaurant will always be in the shaky beginning stages with no end in sight. Also the once relatable notion of a family living in an apartment instead of a suburban house like your Simpsons or Griffins has worn thin because now apartment living is practically standard and a place like the Belchers’ would go for thousands more than what they’re probably paying in universe.

[Assistant]
>>136699072
>now apartment living is practically standard and a place like the Belchers’ would go for thousands more than what they’re probably paying in universe.
The problem is we don't know how much they actually pay in rent. Going off a quick search of Jersey shore apartments though it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 2500-12,000 a month. Plus the rent for the restaurant.


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[User] Just saw the movie and really liked it. Is the show any good?

[Assistant] Flanderisation. Annoying perpetual status quo. Characters do 180 switches based on the episode. It's one of those shows where I've watched most of it (I can't remember when I stopped) and I feel like any more episodes will be just the same.


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[Assistant] Bob's just got nominated for a Peabody.


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[Assistant] Seasons 1 to about 5 are really fun because they're a bit unhinged and goofy, seasons 6-7 are still good but the show very obviously shifts. 8+ really aren't worth watching there's no good jokes because the show is too focused on being wholesome and feel good to the point of not being funny.


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[Assistant] They should've ended the show with the episode where Bob gets stuck on the toilet.


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[Assistant] It's funny, but once you reach the 2 part warf episode that's when it peaks.


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[Assistant] there should be more art and stories revolving around a hung young man fucking the shit out of Linda


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[Assistant]
>Bob wants something
>Family ruins it
>Lesson is always just deal with it and let emotional maniacs run your life


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The last couple episodes have been more a retutn to form like Tina embarrassing herself and a suprising April's fool fools episode where Bob doesn't just sit around and mope and do nothing.
In fact the show got pretty daring by giving him such an impressive win by getting one over Mr.Fischoeder.


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[Assistant] Everytime Gene is on screen, the show is unwatchable


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[Assistant] The "we're failing to stay afloat despite the fact we should be a huge success by the show's own admission" angle wore out its welcome.


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[Assistant] Good lord did you guys peep AAANinja's latest Louise pic with Millie? Talk about two perfectly toasted buns.


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What's your favorite middling episode of Bob's Burgers /co/?
Not the best or the worst but the one that's just alright?
Mine's Dawn of The Peck.


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The early seasons were great. Some of the gross out humor was a bit too much. Some of the jokes they did just can't be done anymore , i.e (bob doing coke with literal troons).
The show did become very "progressive". The humor is safe and louise got severely nerfed.

It was a natural progression. Decent show, but havent seen central park or great north.


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>obnoxious song that isn't very good or interesting
>hackneyed lesson that they hammer in the entire episode yet the monologue at the end still feels unearned


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[Assistant] This show must have like 300 episodes by now and I can't scarcely remember maybe 20


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[Assistant] The thing with the restaurant is so weird because it's like, they won't let Bob actually be successful, but they also consistently affirm that Bob should by every metric be successful. Either let him win or let him give up on the restaurant. It's not interesting watching acts of God or Bob's own shitty family undermine him at every turn.


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[Assistant] I've never seen a more embarrassing female writer self-insert than Nat before. Very impressive, makes the Indian girl and D&D GM seem not so bad.


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[Assistant] Bump


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[Assistant] LITTLE BABIES


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[Assistant] For me, it's Die Hard terrorist Louise.


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[Assistant]
POP IT FLIP IT TWIST IT PITCH IT

IT'S ALL IN THE FLICK OF THE WRIST, YOU CAN'T KICK IT


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[Assistant] So I heard the new season's been improving in the last few episodes, is it true?


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What the fuck that April Fools episode was stupidly good, it felt like a leftover from the early seasons. I didn't think they still had it in them.
I like how Calvin fucks around when his own life is in danger but immediately starts panicking when he thinks Bob is dead


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[Assistant] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwOhqGhP-mk [Embed]


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[Assistant] First couple seasons were okay. You could feel the home movies influence. They turned bob into some bisexual limp wrist faggot afraid of his wife and they’ve killed off all the side characters.


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[Assistant] I never liked Gene.


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Tina my beloved.
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056537381251403014
https://www.tiktok.com/@kubbykorm/video/7060651231399726342
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056537797791943942
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056539353987796229
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056553353194622214
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056554146366885125
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056554950423317766
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056637454987709701
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7056640860775009542
https://www.tiktok.com/@.lol.i.win/video/7057382027045178629
Anyone know the source of the video on the right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUvRBlxIQ88 [Embed]


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[Assistant] It's Jocelyn for me bros.


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[Assistant]
>Brendan makes a cameo in the soccer episode
Based


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[Assistant] somehow even great north has been getting better in the current season, never thought that would happen


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[Assistant] Newest ep was a'ight


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

[Assistant]
>>136645253 (OP)
Kiss him


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>>136645253 (OP)
you're just old anon. Or some zoomer TF fanboy trying to please greasy old boomers.
I was once the later


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>>136645253 (OP)
Kiss him

[Assistant]
>>136645373
Delet this.


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[User] this again?

[Assistant]
>>136645505
>coming up with a plan
he just let starscream fuck himself over. is that really a plan? doing nothing?


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[User] this again?

[Assistant]
>>136645505
What's the deal with Primal and Beast Wars in general? I don't know anything about the show and I can't tell if people loathe or love it.


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>>136645505
>coming up with a plan
he just let starscream fuck himself over. is that really a plan? doing nothing?

[Assistant]
>>136645538
Sometimes crazy works.


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>>136645505
What's the deal with Primal and Beast Wars in general? I don't know anything about the show and I can't tell if people loathe or love it.

[Assistant]
>>136645720
Primal is basically an unrelated character to Optimus Prime who just shares his name as an honorary thingBW exists because the Transformers franchise was basically in the guttter in the early 90's, with the toylines not selling well. So they decided to overhaul it entirely. Despite apprehension at first, a lot of the fandom ended up enjoying it.
I guess the best comparison is Star trek TOS to TNG.


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>>136645505
>coming up with a plan
he just let starscream fuck himself over. is that really a plan? doing nothing?

[Assistant]
>>136645538
Sometimes a good plan is just letting your enemies shit plan fall apart. That, and optimus did let himself get fake captured so that he could retrieve all the weapons they stowed in the hold because of the storm, that counts I guess


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>>136645505
>coming up with a plan
he just let starscream fuck himself over. is that really a plan? doing nothing?

[Assistant]
>>136645538
Starscream self-sabotaging is like the sun setting. You might have to wait a little while for it to happen, but it will always happen, without fail.


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

[Assistant]
>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun


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>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun

[Assistant]
>>136646308
Guy backwards dunked. Prime is a G.


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>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun

[Assistant]
>>136646308
That's a big basketball


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>>136645720
Primal is basically an unrelated character to Optimus Prime who just shares his name as an honorary thingBW exists because the Transformers franchise was basically in the guttter in the early 90's, with the toylines not selling well. So they decided to overhaul it entirely. Despite apprehension at first, a lot of the fandom ended up enjoying it.
I guess the best comparison is Star trek TOS to TNG.

[Assistant]
>>136645818
Nice revisionism


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>>136645818
Nice revisionism

[Assistant]
>>136647953
Not him, but what's revisionist about what he said?

>>136645720
Primal is the best good guy leader after G1 Optimus (in Beast Wars not Beast Machines). Beast Wars is generally pretty popular, haters of it are more niche than fans of it.

>>136645378
As someone who grew up in the 90s, I loved G1 too. It's a fun show.


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>>136645505
What's the deal with Primal and Beast Wars in general? I don't know anything about the show and I can't tell if people loathe or love it.

[Assistant]
>>136647953
Not him, but what's revisionist about what he said?

>>136645720
Primal is the best good guy leader after G1 Optimus (in Beast Wars not Beast Machines). Beast Wars is generally pretty popular, haters of it are more niche than fans of it.

>>136645378
As someone who grew up in the 90s, I loved G1 too. It's a fun show.


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>>136645253 (OP)
you're just old anon. Or some zoomer TF fanboy trying to please greasy old boomers.
I was once the later

[Assistant]
>>136647953
Not him, but what's revisionist about what he said?

>>136645720
Primal is the best good guy leader after G1 Optimus (in Beast Wars not Beast Machines). Beast Wars is generally pretty popular, haters of it are more niche than fans of it.

>>136645378
As someone who grew up in the 90s, I loved G1 too. It's a fun show.


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>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun

[Assistant]
>>136646308
silaszee?


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)
>90s and 00s.
MIB Animated Series and Ghost Busters were also kino.
https://youtu.be/Slo0gbsIJR4 [Embed]


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nothing comes close
https://youtu.be/ESULpa50IRA [Embed]

[Assistant]
>>136649122
It was nice when Jazz was all the diversity you needed in a TF series


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>>136645253 (OP)
As some1 who grew up with late2000s TF (Animated, Bay, etc), G1 aged very gracefully all things considered... when it was a good episode, at least. For every sincerely well-written and fun ep, there's one or two utterly terrible ones, where the writer was just on autopilot trying to pump out a script by his deadline. There's so many awful plots of "and suddenly, the autobots go to a world that's a generic 80s fantasy movie!" or "generic undercooked 80s scifi planet!"
I don't hold it against the writers though, I get why they exist. And fwiw those episodes probably didn't get many reruns in favor of the sincerely fun ones, I imagine, lol. Just a shame the show isn't consistently entertaining I guess, like something like RiD2000.

>>136649337
Except it literally wasn't? The one thing I'll never forgive the G1 toon for is singlehandedly ruining female transformers to this very day: they just drew generic pink fembots and called it a day, and now in the FUTURE every time somebody tries/tried making a female transformer from scratch, 9 times out of 10 they make... a generic fembot that *isn't* pink. Yay progress!!
And don't you fucking dare give me your "uhh it was the 80s!" bullshit, GOBOTS literally aired earlier and Crasher is right fucking there!!! A perfect female transformer design! Fuck!
Also you forgot Blaster exists :^]


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>>136649122
It was nice when Jazz was all the diversity you needed in a TF series

[Assistant]
>>136645253 (OP)
As some1 who grew up with late2000s TF (Animated, Bay, etc), G1 aged very gracefully all things considered... when it was a good episode, at least. For every sincerely well-written and fun ep, there's one or two utterly terrible ones, where the writer was just on autopilot trying to pump out a script by his deadline. There's so many awful plots of "and suddenly, the autobots go to a world that's a generic 80s fantasy movie!" or "generic undercooked 80s scifi planet!"
I don't hold it against the writers though, I get why they exist. And fwiw those episodes probably didn't get many reruns in favor of the sincerely fun ones, I imagine, lol. Just a shame the show isn't consistently entertaining I guess, like something like RiD2000.

>>136649337
Except it literally wasn't? The one thing I'll never forgive the G1 toon for is singlehandedly ruining female transformers to this very day: they just drew generic pink fembots and called it a day, and now in the FUTURE every time somebody tries/tried making a female transformer from scratch, 9 times out of 10 they make... a generic fembot that *isn't* pink. Yay progress!!
And don't you fucking dare give me your "uhh it was the 80s!" bullshit, GOBOTS literally aired earlier and Crasher is right fucking there!!! A perfect female transformer design! Fuck!
Also you forgot Blaster exists :^]


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>>136645253 (OP)
As some1 who grew up with late2000s TF (Animated, Bay, etc), G1 aged very gracefully all things considered... when it was a good episode, at least. For every sincerely well-written and fun ep, there's one or two utterly terrible ones, where the writer was just on autopilot trying to pump out a script by his deadline. There's so many awful plots of "and suddenly, the autobots go to a world that's a generic 80s fantasy movie!" or "generic undercooked 80s scifi planet!"
I don't hold it against the writers though, I get why they exist. And fwiw those episodes probably didn't get many reruns in favor of the sincerely fun ones, I imagine, lol. Just a shame the show isn't consistently entertaining I guess, like something like RiD2000.

>>136649337
Except it literally wasn't? The one thing I'll never forgive the G1 toon for is singlehandedly ruining female transformers to this very day: they just drew generic pink fembots and called it a day, and now in the FUTURE every time somebody tries/tried making a female transformer from scratch, 9 times out of 10 they make... a generic fembot that *isn't* pink. Yay progress!!
And don't you fucking dare give me your "uhh it was the 80s!" bullshit, GOBOTS literally aired earlier and Crasher is right fucking there!!! A perfect female transformer design! Fuck!
Also you forgot Blaster exists :^]

[Assistant]
>>136649688
>the autobots go to a world that's a generic 80s fantasy movie!" or "generic undercooked 80s scifi planet!"
I love that shit, it's so silly but it's part of the charm for me, also knowing we'll never get anything that out there again makes it special

As for the G1 fembots, yeah they're pretty generic, but I mean it was a boy centric show. Crasher is one of the few things Gobots had over Transformers, but let's be honest it's cause she's a villain and villains are always more fun. I would say there's quite a bit of variety in modern female Transformers though, I don't think they're all generic or at least not in every portrayal....we got Blackarachnia, Airazor, Strika, Airachnid, Strongarm, Windblade, Slipstream, Shadow Striker, and of course the mulriple versions of Arcee which tend to change from show to show


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>>136649688
>the autobots go to a world that's a generic 80s fantasy movie!" or "generic undercooked 80s scifi planet!"
I love that shit, it's so silly but it's part of the charm for me, also knowing we'll never get anything that out there again makes it special

As for the G1 fembots, yeah they're pretty generic, but I mean it was a boy centric show. Crasher is one of the few things Gobots had over Transformers, but let's be honest it's cause she's a villain and villains are always more fun. I would say there's quite a bit of variety in modern female Transformers though, I don't think they're all generic or at least not in every portrayal....we got Blackarachnia, Airazor, Strika, Airachnid, Strongarm, Windblade, Slipstream, Shadow Striker, and of course the mulriple versions of Arcee which tend to change from show to show

[Assistant]
>>136650378
It does have its own charm in how unfitting and out of left-field it is, but eh, personally I had way more fun with stuff like the New York episode from S2, that had literally every single "New York" trope shoved in like a kid playing with their toys and what their idea of "New York" would be. The episode where Megatron+Starscream get frozen and the triplechangers each attempt their own brand of hair-brained schemes to take over the world also got a lotta unexpected laughs outta me, as did the first Starscream's Ghost ep (why the HELL have they never brought back Octane? I fucking love this guy). I guess I just tend to prefer stuff that gives the characters chances to show their individuality, desu.

Yeah, you mentioned quite a few I liked. My favorite fem TF designs over the years are probably Minerva (from Supergod Masterforce), BW Airazor, TFA's Strika and Slipstream + its takes on Arcee and Red Alert, Cyberverse Shadow Striker, and BB movie's Shatter. Also Cybertron's Override, even tho that's technically dub revisionism from being originally male - the design does work well as a girl fwiw. TFA's Blackarachnia is also fantastic even though her design definitely leans into stereotypically female aesthetics, but it makes sense since it's part of her character, and her toy proves that it didn't at all come at the cost of her alt mode, which is the most important thing for me.
I dunno tho, Windblade and the many Arcees over the years kinda feel like they exemplify my problem with fem TFs, is the thing; it feels like they're clinging too tightly to "correct" human anatomy, it makes them come off pretty boring visually. Even TFA Arcee plays it pretty safe, just translated into its artstyle n' with a more achievable car than G1; I like Prime Arcee though, her sharp angles are fun design choices... even if her model's waist is bizarrely soft/smooth looking... hmm.....


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>>136645505
What's the deal with Primal and Beast Wars in general? I don't know anything about the show and I can't tell if people loathe or love it.

[Assistant]
>>136645720
Beast Wars takes place 300 years after G1*. The Autobot/Decepticon war is long over and their successors, the Maximals and Predacons, live in uneasy peace.

Megatron (not the G1 one, a different guy using the same name) and his crew of rebels steal the Golden Disk, an artifact that supposedly contains the coordinates to a large source of Energon. With this Energon, Megatron could gain enough power to restart the war and claim victory for the Predacons. They flee in their ship.

The only ship in the area able to chase them is a Maximal exploration ship, led by Optimus Primal (again, different guy). The Predacons activate their TransWarp drive, with the Maximals locked on to them. TransWarp allows warping through space AND time, and both ships emerge in orbit of an unknown, undeveloped planet. They battle in space, each managing to cripple the other. Both ships crash land on the planet.

Megatron's gambit has paid off - too well. The planet has both figurative and literal MOUNTAINS of Energon, but it's in a raw, unprocessed state. It's also insanely harmful to Cybertronians, just a few minutes exposed to a crystal's radiation will kill them. Both the Maximals and Predacons scan the local wildlife to take on organic modes, which will shield them from the Energon while in beast mode.

As both sides fight over the Energon, another problem occurs: They're not the first alien life on the planet. And the ones that were there first aren't too happy about the disruption the Beast Wars are causing.

Now we get into SPOILER territory. ACTUAL SPOILERS AHEAD: The reason Megatron fled to this planet wasn't actually for its Energon deposits. The planet is Earth. Earth, 4 million years before the Autobots and Decepticons wake up. Megatron's plan is kill the original Optimus Prime while he's comatose. Without their great leader, the Autobots will lose the war and the Predacons of the present will rule Cybertron.


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>>136645720
Beast Wars takes place 300 years after G1*. The Autobot/Decepticon war is long over and their successors, the Maximals and Predacons, live in uneasy peace.

Megatron (not the G1 one, a different guy using the same name) and his crew of rebels steal the Golden Disk, an artifact that supposedly contains the coordinates to a large source of Energon. With this Energon, Megatron could gain enough power to restart the war and claim victory for the Predacons. They flee in their ship.

The only ship in the area able to chase them is a Maximal exploration ship, led by Optimus Primal (again, different guy). The Predacons activate their TransWarp drive, with the Maximals locked on to them. TransWarp allows warping through space AND time, and both ships emerge in orbit of an unknown, undeveloped planet. They battle in space, each managing to cripple the other. Both ships crash land on the planet.

Megatron's gambit has paid off - too well. The planet has both figurative and literal MOUNTAINS of Energon, but it's in a raw, unprocessed state. It's also insanely harmful to Cybertronians, just a few minutes exposed to a crystal's radiation will kill them. Both the Maximals and Predacons scan the local wildlife to take on organic modes, which will shield them from the Energon while in beast mode.

As both sides fight over the Energon, another problem occurs: They're not the first alien life on the planet. And the ones that were there first aren't too happy about the disruption the Beast Wars are causing.

Now we get into SPOILER territory. ACTUAL SPOILERS AHEAD: The reason Megatron fled to this planet wasn't actually for its Energon deposits. The planet is Earth. Earth, 4 million years before the Autobots and Decepticons wake up. Megatron's plan is kill the original Optimus Prime while he's comatose. Without their great leader, the Autobots will lose the war and the Predacons of the present will rule Cybertron.

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>>136651417
*BW isn't actually connected to any existing G1 story. It mixes elements from the cartoon and comics and adds some brand new stuff, creating a brand new G1 backstory for its own use.


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>>136645505
What's the deal with Primal and Beast Wars in general? I don't know anything about the show and I can't tell if people loathe or love it.

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>>136645720
>>136651417
As for fan perception... Beast Wars is one of the most beloved Transformers series.


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>>136645720
Beast Wars takes place 300 years after G1*. The Autobot/Decepticon war is long over and their successors, the Maximals and Predacons, live in uneasy peace.

Megatron (not the G1 one, a different guy using the same name) and his crew of rebels steal the Golden Disk, an artifact that supposedly contains the coordinates to a large source of Energon. With this Energon, Megatron could gain enough power to restart the war and claim victory for the Predacons. They flee in their ship.

The only ship in the area able to chase them is a Maximal exploration ship, led by Optimus Primal (again, different guy). The Predacons activate their TransWarp drive, with the Maximals locked on to them. TransWarp allows warping through space AND time, and both ships emerge in orbit of an unknown, undeveloped planet. They battle in space, each managing to cripple the other. Both ships crash land on the planet.

Megatron's gambit has paid off - too well. The planet has both figurative and literal MOUNTAINS of Energon, but it's in a raw, unprocessed state. It's also insanely harmful to Cybertronians, just a few minutes exposed to a crystal's radiation will kill them. Both the Maximals and Predacons scan the local wildlife to take on organic modes, which will shield them from the Energon while in beast mode.

As both sides fight over the Energon, another problem occurs: They're not the first alien life on the planet. And the ones that were there first aren't too happy about the disruption the Beast Wars are causing.

Now we get into SPOILER territory. ACTUAL SPOILERS AHEAD: The reason Megatron fled to this planet wasn't actually for its Energon deposits. The planet is Earth. Earth, 4 million years before the Autobots and Decepticons wake up. Megatron's plan is kill the original Optimus Prime while he's comatose. Without their great leader, the Autobots will lose the war and the Predacons of the present will rule Cybertron.

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>>136645720
>>136651417
As for fan perception... Beast Wars is one of the most beloved Transformers series.


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)
 OP and Megs own so much of my headspace it scares me.


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)
He-Man was better tbqh


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>>136646308
silaszee?

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>>136648946
This comic is retarded, but that stupid shit about Bumblebee talking through his radio is the worst thing to ever stick from the Bay movies.


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)
Nostalgia glasses.

You are only remembering the emotional high points of the series, but 90% of the actual show runtime was garbage and doesn't hold up 30 years later.


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>>136645253 (OP)
Nostalgia glasses.

You are only remembering the emotional high points of the series, but 90% of the actual show runtime was garbage and doesn't hold up 30 years later.

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>>136651734
It holds up as fun.


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>>136645253 (OP)
Nostalgia glasses.

You are only remembering the emotional high points of the series, but 90% of the actual show runtime was garbage and doesn't hold up 30 years later.

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>>136651734
You people can watch this show right now. It's not like everyone has fuzzy memories from 40 years ago.


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>>136651734
You people can watch this show right now. It's not like everyone has fuzzy memories from 40 years ago.

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>>136651861
Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's. It was reran in the early 90s, and during the 2010s on Hub/Discovery Family, not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV


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>>136651861
Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's. It was reran in the early 90s, and during the 2010s on Hub/Discovery Family, not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV

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>>136651927
Do people who always say nostalgia filters wonder where all these webms and clips of the shows keep coming from


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>>136645373
Delet this.

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>>136651927
Do people who always say nostalgia filters wonder where all these webms and clips of the shows keep coming from

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>>136652029
Not that I think only guys 45 and older are the only ones who care about G1, but it's not like 45+ year olds STOPPED using the internet or don't make Webms/GIFs.
I still hear posters here talking about watching G1 in the 80's.


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[User] Has anybody here read the Marvel TF comics? How well do they hold up writing-wise, today? I'm wondering if it's worth giving them a shot.

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>>136652164
The Marvel stuff, especially the UK and the last few years of US material(that Simon Furman wrote) were held in very high esteem by the TF fandom for the longest time. There's a reason so many TF fans demanded he get brought back for later comics. The writing can feel a bit clunky and there's some modern nuances of the franchise in general that later series refined, and there's a lot of characters and only 12 issues a year so there's a lot of juggling. But it's definitely cool to check out, if a bit hard to binge in a single go.


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>>136652029
Not that I think only guys 45 and older are the only ones who care about G1, but it's not like 45+ year olds STOPPED using the internet or don't make Webms/GIFs.
I still hear posters here talking about watching G1 in the 80's.

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>>136652182
Yeah and I doubt the last time most of the people who post on these boards watched this stuff was in the 80's. It's a good guess that most people are well aware of the show with all it's flaws.
This stuff was still better than all the other crap of the time (and there was a lot). There's reasons why these showed embedded themselves in the hearts of so many fans, warts and all.


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>>136645253 (OP)
Nostalgia glasses.

You are only remembering the emotional high points of the series, but 90% of the actual show runtime was garbage and doesn't hold up 30 years later.

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>>136651734
The 2000s sucked zoomie


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>>136651734
The 2000s sucked zoomie

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>>136652313
We had Tony Hawk and Bionicle, learn your fucking place and get back to polishing my boots, slave. 1999-2012 was peak culture from amongst all of humanity's existence.


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>>136652313
We had Tony Hawk and Bionicle, learn your fucking place and get back to polishing my boots, slave. 1999-2012 was peak culture from amongst all of humanity's existence.

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>>136652358
Both went downhill after around 2004. Sliders was cooler anyway.


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>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun

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>>136646308
After the movie they forgot how G1 Optimus could be chill at times and how he was always quick with a sick burn against Megatron or other Decepticons. Now whenever they bring Peter Cullen back they have whatever Optimus he voices be this super stoic leader with virtually none of the original cartoon Op's charisma. I don't know if it's because Cullen is old and they adjust the characters to suit him as he can't act as lively as he used to or they just think that's what G1 fans want out of their Optimus Primes.


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>>136652358
Both went downhill after around 2004. Sliders was cooler anyway.

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>>136653222
>not thinking the Ignition saga was the tightest shit
Sounds like a skill issue to me, desudesudesu.
And sure extreme sports went out of fashion by the latter half of the 2000s, but by then we also had Linkin Park and Guitar Hero so honestly it balances out. (Being more on-topic for /co/, unironically 2004-2012 was the last big hurrah for American action toons; feels like everything quality was instantaneously, forcibly killed off the moment the year became 2013...)


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>>136645538
Starscream self-sabotaging is like the sun setting. You might have to wait a little while for it to happen, but it will always happen, without fail.

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>>136646168
I liked Starscream because he always inadvertently helped the autobots win. He’s their fool.


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>>136650378
It does have its own charm in how unfitting and out of left-field it is, but eh, personally I had way more fun with stuff like the New York episode from S2, that had literally every single "New York" trope shoved in like a kid playing with their toys and what their idea of "New York" would be. The episode where Megatron+Starscream get frozen and the triplechangers each attempt their own brand of hair-brained schemes to take over the world also got a lotta unexpected laughs outta me, as did the first Starscream's Ghost ep (why the HELL have they never brought back Octane? I fucking love this guy). I guess I just tend to prefer stuff that gives the characters chances to show their individuality, desu.

Yeah, you mentioned quite a few I liked. My favorite fem TF designs over the years are probably Minerva (from Supergod Masterforce), BW Airazor, TFA's Strika and Slipstream + its takes on Arcee and Red Alert, Cyberverse Shadow Striker, and BB movie's Shatter. Also Cybertron's Override, even tho that's technically dub revisionism from being originally male - the design does work well as a girl fwiw. TFA's Blackarachnia is also fantastic even though her design definitely leans into stereotypically female aesthetics, but it makes sense since it's part of her character, and her toy proves that it didn't at all come at the cost of her alt mode, which is the most important thing for me.
I dunno tho, Windblade and the many Arcees over the years kinda feel like they exemplify my problem with fem TFs, is the thing; it feels like they're clinging too tightly to "correct" human anatomy, it makes them come off pretty boring visually. Even TFA Arcee plays it pretty safe, just translated into its artstyle n' with a more achievable car than G1; I like Prime Arcee though, her sharp angles are fun design choices... even if her model's waist is bizarrely soft/smooth looking... hmm.....

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>>136650951
>The episode where Megatron+Starscream get frozen and the triplechangers each attempt their own brand of hair-brained schemes to take over the world also got a lotta unexpected laughs outta me
Yeah that one is great lol, I love it, so dumb yet fun.

Also yeah, nice fembots. Shatter is cool, definitely my type of character, for me she was pretty much the main thing I enjoyed about Bumblebee.
>TFA's Blackarachnia is also fantastic even though her design definitely leans into stereotypically female aesthetics, but it makes sense since it's part of her character
Yeah, it's kind of part of her legacy, she's one character where any version of her kinda should always lean into that just because, she is the original femme fatale bot
>I dunno tho, Windblade and the many Arcees over the years kinda feel like they exemplify my problem with fem TFs, is the thing; it feels like they're clinging too tightly to "correct" human anatomy, it makes them come off pretty boring visually
I can see that point, I'm not one of those people who thinks fembots need to all have a barbie doll thing going on. I mean they are robots after all and Arcee (or rather those based on her G1 look) has notoriously had a hard time with toys because of the insistence on maintaining her doll like physique that usually doesn't work swimmingly with a transforming toy.

Gotta say though my favorite fembots are probably Airachnid and Flamewar, the former just because I love her psycho killer ass. The latter is more just I've always liked her general deco and like motorbike Transformers, she hasn't had much characterization and I really want her to be in a show....I'm not a big IDW guy at all but I really liked her characterization in IDW2, wouldn't mind if she kept that personality should she ever reappear in a more prominent role.


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>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun

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>>136646308
>>136653367
I'd say it's mostly the latter probably. Optimus today is known as this larger-than-life, figurehead of justice that gives impressive speeches (hell, even Cyberverse riffed on that a bit).
The one big exception being Animated of course, which felt like if you fused (S1/2) G1 Prime with Optimus Primal. Morally righteous, can give a good speech/knows how to inspire his Autobots, can still crack a joke and have fun; but is also young and inexperienced with a bit of an edgy streak, who isn't incapable of letting his emotions get to him.


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>>136646308
After the movie they forgot how G1 Optimus could be chill at times and how he was always quick with a sick burn against Megatron or other Decepticons. Now whenever they bring Peter Cullen back they have whatever Optimus he voices be this super stoic leader with virtually none of the original cartoon Op's charisma. I don't know if it's because Cullen is old and they adjust the characters to suit him as he can't act as lively as he used to or they just think that's what G1 fans want out of their Optimus Primes.

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>>136646308
>>136653367
I'd say it's mostly the latter probably. Optimus today is known as this larger-than-life, figurehead of justice that gives impressive speeches (hell, even Cyberverse riffed on that a bit).
The one big exception being Animated of course, which felt like if you fused (S1/2) G1 Prime with Optimus Primal. Morally righteous, can give a good speech/knows how to inspire his Autobots, can still crack a joke and have fun; but is also young and inexperienced with a bit of an edgy streak, who isn't incapable of letting his emotions get to him.


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>>136646308
>>136653367
I'd say it's mostly the latter probably. Optimus today is known as this larger-than-life, figurehead of justice that gives impressive speeches (hell, even Cyberverse riffed on that a bit).
The one big exception being Animated of course, which felt like if you fused (S1/2) G1 Prime with Optimus Primal. Morally righteous, can give a good speech/knows how to inspire his Autobots, can still crack a joke and have fun; but is also young and inexperienced with a bit of an edgy streak, who isn't incapable of letting his emotions get to him.

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>>136653540
Yeah, I really liked Animated's take on Prime. Primal was good too until Beast Machines.
Never really watched much of the first RiD or the Armada trilogy so can't say much on their Optimus Primes.


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)
I like Armada better


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>>136651734
The 2000s sucked zoomie

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>>136652313
Yeah but at least it was better for Transformers than the 80s


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>>136653540
Yeah, I really liked Animated's take on Prime. Primal was good too until Beast Machines.
Never really watched much of the first RiD or the Armada trilogy so can't say much on their Optimus Primes.

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>>136653599
I'd recommend watching an abridged version of Armada with fansubs, I actually found its take on Optimus really fun. For the majority of the show I just thought he was autistic, bc he always seemed to have trouble making fairly basic decisions that are very obviously "good," but then the finale reveals a darker side to his character that put everything into perspective. Sincere spoilers: During the finale, after teaming up to defeat Unicron, Megatron offers OP a final battle to settle their score, right as Unicron's planet form is tearing itself apart. Instead of seeing his partners off, he pulls out his Matrix and tosses it to the side, telling them to leave him. They then have an absolutely fucking brutal fight, tearing eachother apart, completely consumed by their battle-fueled adrenaline... finally Megatron gets dragged away into a black hole forming in Unicron's core, and there is an explosion. One of the episode's last shots is of Optimus, conscious, limply drifting through the wreckage... he turns his head to look at it, and bitterly mutters "I don't deserve it..."
You have NO IDEA how ready I was to see where they would take his character with this direction, it was like if it were Bay Optimus but more intriguing... Then I remembered the next series was Energon/Superlink, and I still haven't watched it lmao. Maybe someday; I also need to watch Galaxy Force, esp bc it's disconnected from the first two.

RiD2000 Fire Convoy is pretty great, but not too deep. He's just a very entertaining guy; very "pumped up!!" in a Y2K anime way, but also very levelheaded and frank. Like when he paused a battle with Skybite just to politely explain that his "poem" was bad, lmao. RiD2000's a really fucking good time bro.

As a bonus bc I watched it recently, BWII's Lio Convoy (I felt) was p underdeveloped like most of the show, but he was the standard morally-righteous Prime etc. Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while..


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>>136653599
I'd recommend watching an abridged version of Armada with fansubs, I actually found its take on Optimus really fun. For the majority of the show I just thought he was autistic, bc he always seemed to have trouble making fairly basic decisions that are very obviously "good," but then the finale reveals a darker side to his character that put everything into perspective. Sincere spoilers: During the finale, after teaming up to defeat Unicron, Megatron offers OP a final battle to settle their score, right as Unicron's planet form is tearing itself apart. Instead of seeing his partners off, he pulls out his Matrix and tosses it to the side, telling them to leave him. They then have an absolutely fucking brutal fight, tearing eachother apart, completely consumed by their battle-fueled adrenaline... finally Megatron gets dragged away into a black hole forming in Unicron's core, and there is an explosion. One of the episode's last shots is of Optimus, conscious, limply drifting through the wreckage... he turns his head to look at it, and bitterly mutters "I don't deserve it..."
You have NO IDEA how ready I was to see where they would take his character with this direction, it was like if it were Bay Optimus but more intriguing... Then I remembered the next series was Energon/Superlink, and I still haven't watched it lmao. Maybe someday; I also need to watch Galaxy Force, esp bc it's disconnected from the first two.

RiD2000 Fire Convoy is pretty great, but not too deep. He's just a very entertaining guy; very "pumped up!!" in a Y2K anime way, but also very levelheaded and frank. Like when he paused a battle with Skybite just to politely explain that his "poem" was bad, lmao. RiD2000's a really fucking good time bro.

As a bonus bc I watched it recently, BWII's Lio Convoy (I felt) was p underdeveloped like most of the show, but he was the standard morally-righteous Prime etc. Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while..

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>>136653786
Shoot, mistyped in the spoiler:
I meant to say "he noticed his Matrix float past him, and he turns to look at it"


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>>136653599
I'd recommend watching an abridged version of Armada with fansubs, I actually found its take on Optimus really fun. For the majority of the show I just thought he was autistic, bc he always seemed to have trouble making fairly basic decisions that are very obviously "good," but then the finale reveals a darker side to his character that put everything into perspective. Sincere spoilers: During the finale, after teaming up to defeat Unicron, Megatron offers OP a final battle to settle their score, right as Unicron's planet form is tearing itself apart. Instead of seeing his partners off, he pulls out his Matrix and tosses it to the side, telling them to leave him. They then have an absolutely fucking brutal fight, tearing eachother apart, completely consumed by their battle-fueled adrenaline... finally Megatron gets dragged away into a black hole forming in Unicron's core, and there is an explosion. One of the episode's last shots is of Optimus, conscious, limply drifting through the wreckage... he turns his head to look at it, and bitterly mutters "I don't deserve it..."
You have NO IDEA how ready I was to see where they would take his character with this direction, it was like if it were Bay Optimus but more intriguing... Then I remembered the next series was Energon/Superlink, and I still haven't watched it lmao. Maybe someday; I also need to watch Galaxy Force, esp bc it's disconnected from the first two.

RiD2000 Fire Convoy is pretty great, but not too deep. He's just a very entertaining guy; very "pumped up!!" in a Y2K anime way, but also very levelheaded and frank. Like when he paused a battle with Skybite just to politely explain that his "poem" was bad, lmao. RiD2000's a really fucking good time bro.

As a bonus bc I watched it recently, BWII's Lio Convoy (I felt) was p underdeveloped like most of the show, but he was the standard morally-righteous Prime etc. Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while..

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>>136653786
Big Convoy is a dad OP that solves every single issue by shooting at it and has a computer wife.


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>>136653786
Big Convoy is a dad OP that solves every single issue by shooting at it and has a computer wife.

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>>136653882
That sounds fucking awesome, I totally gotta get to Neo soon.
Prolly after I watch Victory, which's another I really wanna get to, especially since Star Saber is also a literal father to an adopted kid; G1 OP was already like a cool uncle figure to IRL kids, why NOT give them in-universe ones?


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>>136650951
>The episode where Megatron+Starscream get frozen and the triplechangers each attempt their own brand of hair-brained schemes to take over the world also got a lotta unexpected laughs outta me
Yeah that one is great lol, I love it, so dumb yet fun.

Also yeah, nice fembots. Shatter is cool, definitely my type of character, for me she was pretty much the main thing I enjoyed about Bumblebee.
>TFA's Blackarachnia is also fantastic even though her design definitely leans into stereotypically female aesthetics, but it makes sense since it's part of her character
Yeah, it's kind of part of her legacy, she's one character where any version of her kinda should always lean into that just because, she is the original femme fatale bot
>I dunno tho, Windblade and the many Arcees over the years kinda feel like they exemplify my problem with fem TFs, is the thing; it feels like they're clinging too tightly to "correct" human anatomy, it makes them come off pretty boring visually
I can see that point, I'm not one of those people who thinks fembots need to all have a barbie doll thing going on. I mean they are robots after all and Arcee (or rather those based on her G1 look) has notoriously had a hard time with toys because of the insistence on maintaining her doll like physique that usually doesn't work swimmingly with a transforming toy.

Gotta say though my favorite fembots are probably Airachnid and Flamewar, the former just because I love her psycho killer ass. The latter is more just I've always liked her general deco and like motorbike Transformers, she hasn't had much characterization and I really want her to be in a show....I'm not a big IDW guy at all but I really liked her characterization in IDW2, wouldn't mind if she kept that personality should she ever reappear in a more prominent role.

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>>136653531
>Airachnid
Yeah I can see that, she was definitely at least unique among the Prime cast for sure. Writing-wise she wasn't quite to my tastes, cuz I felt her role with Arcee was a kinda redundant given Starscream+Cliffjumper existed too, but I WILL say I was really tickled by the ending to that zombie episode, with her having also been infected but now on the moon. That's the perfect kind of pulpy "horror" ending to both the episode and her character, lmao.

>Flamewar
Ah shoot, I haven't read many of the comics (for IDW, I only read MTMTE/LL). Would you say giving IDW2 a shot is worth it? I'm curious what people think of it now in retrospect, now that it's over.


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[User] Has anybody here read the Marvel TF comics? How well do they hold up writing-wise, today? I'm wondering if it's worth giving them a shot.

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>>136652164
It's not the best, the first 10ish issues are really rough but things start to come together and you get those sweet classic marvel vibes with the colouring and the art style. Don't miss out on the ads if you can. Gets more and more lore heavy, especially at the end, with occasional toy selling diversions (Micromasters are the biggest culprit in my opinion, they show up and disappear almost immediately).


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>>136652313
Yeah but at least it was better for Transformers than the 80s

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>>136653639
Nothing in the 00s tops this, now it's your nostalgia talking


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>>136653599
I'd recommend watching an abridged version of Armada with fansubs, I actually found its take on Optimus really fun. For the majority of the show I just thought he was autistic, bc he always seemed to have trouble making fairly basic decisions that are very obviously "good," but then the finale reveals a darker side to his character that put everything into perspective. Sincere spoilers: During the finale, after teaming up to defeat Unicron, Megatron offers OP a final battle to settle their score, right as Unicron's planet form is tearing itself apart. Instead of seeing his partners off, he pulls out his Matrix and tosses it to the side, telling them to leave him. They then have an absolutely fucking brutal fight, tearing eachother apart, completely consumed by their battle-fueled adrenaline... finally Megatron gets dragged away into a black hole forming in Unicron's core, and there is an explosion. One of the episode's last shots is of Optimus, conscious, limply drifting through the wreckage... he turns his head to look at it, and bitterly mutters "I don't deserve it..."
You have NO IDEA how ready I was to see where they would take his character with this direction, it was like if it were Bay Optimus but more intriguing... Then I remembered the next series was Energon/Superlink, and I still haven't watched it lmao. Maybe someday; I also need to watch Galaxy Force, esp bc it's disconnected from the first two.

RiD2000 Fire Convoy is pretty great, but not too deep. He's just a very entertaining guy; very "pumped up!!" in a Y2K anime way, but also very levelheaded and frank. Like when he paused a battle with Skybite just to politely explain that his "poem" was bad, lmao. RiD2000's a really fucking good time bro.

As a bonus bc I watched it recently, BWII's Lio Convoy (I felt) was p underdeveloped like most of the show, but he was the standard morally-righteous Prime etc. Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while..

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>>136653786
>Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while
 and he never did since Neo revealed he got sent back to the past before the events of Transformers The Movie and Generation Selects Final revealed he got back to the future by waiting it out so he technically spent thousands of years away from his son


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>>136653531
>Airachnid
Yeah I can see that, she was definitely at least unique among the Prime cast for sure. Writing-wise she wasn't quite to my tastes, cuz I felt her role with Arcee was a kinda redundant given Starscream+Cliffjumper existed too, but I WILL say I was really tickled by the ending to that zombie episode, with her having also been infected but now on the moon. That's the perfect kind of pulpy "horror" ending to both the episode and her character, lmao.

>Flamewar
Ah shoot, I haven't read many of the comics (for IDW, I only read MTMTE/LL). Would you say giving IDW2 a shot is worth it? I'm curious what people think of it now in retrospect, now that it's over.

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>>136654020
>cuz I felt her role with Arcee was a kinda redundant given Starscream+Cliffjumper existed too
Yeh it was a little redundant, just done to make the two girls rivals, and her having a personal rivalry with Arcee at all probably didn't need to be a thing, but I enjoyed her character overall, she hit all the right notes for me just as a character type and I like her design, not to mention helicopter Transformers are another one of my favorites.
>Would you say giving IDW2 a shot is worth it?
Eh....not really unless you're really particularly interested, nothing that interesting really happens, they meandered with the story early on setting up a lot of different things, then they lost the license. I actually stopped reading it after a while so I can't give an objective opinion about how it wrapped up, but a lot of it feels like a slow burn and setup for tons of characters and knowing it prematurely ended makes it feel kinda pointless.

Slipstream, Shadow Striker, and Flamewar had a fun dynamic though and liking them was my main takeaway. I was glad to see Flamewar get some action.


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>>136653786
>Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while
 and he never did since Neo revealed he got sent back to the past before the events of Transformers The Movie and Generation Selects Final revealed he got back to the future by waiting it out so he technically spent thousands of years away from his son

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>>136654189
THE BASTARD!!
Also >Sakamoto's mangas
Geez that stuff is a goddamn rabbithole, it always sounds like. I wonder if it's all been translated or naw...


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>>136654020
>cuz I felt her role with Arcee was a kinda redundant given Starscream+Cliffjumper existed too
Yeh it was a little redundant, just done to make the two girls rivals, and her having a personal rivalry with Arcee at all probably didn't need to be a thing, but I enjoyed her character overall, she hit all the right notes for me just as a character type and I like her design, not to mention helicopter Transformers are another one of my favorites.
>Would you say giving IDW2 a shot is worth it?
Eh....not really unless you're really particularly interested, nothing that interesting really happens, they meandered with the story early on setting up a lot of different things, then they lost the license. I actually stopped reading it after a while so I can't give an objective opinion about how it wrapped up, but a lot of it feels like a slow burn and setup for tons of characters and knowing it prematurely ended makes it feel kinda pointless.

Slipstream, Shadow Striker, and Flamewar had a fun dynamic though and liking them was my main takeaway. I was glad to see Flamewar get some action.

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>>136654293
Yeah, that seems to be what I thought sadly. I remember trying to read it when it was fresh, but the burn was too slow for me and I lost interest in the political drama. Maybe it's my attention span's fault? Iunno...


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>>136651927
Do people who always say nostalgia filters wonder where all these webms and clips of the shows keep coming from

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>>136651861
Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's. It was reran in the early 90s, and during the 2010s on Hub/Discovery Family, not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV

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>>136651927
>Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaVcpfncOWs [Embed]

I'm 45 years old, born in 1978, and haven't watched it since the 80's. No bullshit. Saw the animated movie on opening day in 1986 and cried like a little bitch when Optimus died. Watched the later seasons but after the movie it just couldn't compete. I will say that season 3 has the best theme!!!FACT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aASYfqP9414 [Embed]


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)

AND I SWEAR TO CEILING CAT ALMIGHTY THAT IF I EVER WIN THE POWERBALL I'LL MAKE PHOTOREALISTIC CGI 3D ANIMATED REMAKES OF TRANSFORMERS THE MOVIE, G.I. JOE THE MOVIE AND AKIRA!!!FACT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtIkomod6uQ [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U [Embed]


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>>136645253 (OP)
He-Man was better tbqh

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>>136651693
>He-Man was better tbqh

I loved He-Man too but it never had that iconic animated movie that Transformers or G.I. Joe did. Closest was He-Man and She-Ra: The Secret of the Sword which felt cheap and I still remember watching it at the theater.

This is the song I sung to my wife on our wedding day....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbvHem94cPA [Embed]

!!!FACT!!!


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>>136645253 (OP)

AND I SWEAR TO CEILING CAT ALMIGHTY THAT IF I EVER WIN THE POWERBALL I'LL MAKE PHOTOREALISTIC CGI 3D ANIMATED REMAKES OF TRANSFORMERS THE MOVIE, G.I. JOE THE MOVIE AND AKIRA!!!FACT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtIkomod6uQ [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U [Embed]

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>>136654659
Why the fuck would you want photorealistic cgi remakes of those movies?

>GI Joe vs the snake people (the intro is literally the only good part of the movie)
>Akira (is well remembered because it's a 1980s anime)
>Transformers (like GI Joe only the first part is actually good. All the stuff with the Junkicons, Galvatron, heck even Unicron really bogs down the movie). Also Transformers has 3D CGI shows already so.....


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>>136654659
Why the fuck would you want photorealistic cgi remakes of those movies?

>GI Joe vs the snake people (the intro is literally the only good part of the movie)
>Akira (is well remembered because it's a 1980s anime)
>Transformers (like GI Joe only the first part is actually good. All the stuff with the Junkicons, Galvatron, heck even Unicron really bogs down the movie). Also Transformers has 3D CGI shows already so.....

[Assistant]
>>136654995
Wrong on all accounts, go back to Steven Universe please


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>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun

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>>136646308
Aye. Sure, war veteran who saw a whole lot of slag happening on Cybertron during the Autobot and Decepticon war...but do they have to make him some turbo-stoic bot?
Allow Optimus to be not so above it all and be chill.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LwzTNgcRc8 [Embed]
Is Beast Wars the best? TJOmega says ye

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>>136655192
Depends on taste, man.
BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit.
Animated is the closest contender but is conversely dragged down a bit by its front half, with the supervillains needing a bit more character depth (sans Headmaster, whose entertainment value alone made him worth keeping around).
RiD2000 is consistent Y2kino action and comedy.
Rescue Bots is comfy and wholesome, with character depth to rival Animated.
Victory, Armada, Galaxy Force, and Prime all have unique and fun spins on what today became G1 status quo, making them all stand on their own.
And G1 cartoon is really fun when you're on a good episode.

It literally all depends on what you personally want out of a TF show.

The real question is why the hell are you watching TJOmega of all TF youtubers, that guy's the worst of them all..


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[User] >>136645396

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>>136652060
What's this style called?


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LwzTNgcRc8 [Embed]
Is Beast Wars the best? TJOmega says ye

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>>136655192
The setting itself had ton of potential with making G1 into some mystical stuff of legends and how Cybertron and its people differed from G1 pre-war Cybertron...and then Beast Machines came and ruined it all.

We need a new Beast Wars. One that is not a rehash of the original and instead a completely new story. One that also dives deeper into Maximals and Predacons along with changes after the Great War between Autobots and Decepticons.


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[User] Has anybody here read the Marvel TF comics? How well do they hold up writing-wise, today? I'm wondering if it's worth giving them a shot.

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>>136652164
It starts fine, starts to drag a bit into it as Hasbro's demanding of new toys being front and center started to take a toll on Bob Budiansky and he had to keep shuffling an ever growing cast around to showcase the new toys and adjusting plots as needed to do so. Eventually just decides to go "KILL 'EM ALL" via the Underbase Saga and wipes out almost all the 84-85 cast (and even a good chunk of recently released toys at that time like the Seacons). Once Budiansky gets burnt out and hands the reigns to Furman the stories start gelling together better and since the toyline was entering it's twilight years in the last two years or so of the comic the cast starts to stabilize and some of the old cast even comes back too.
Unfortunately the comic was canceled while Furman still had a few plot threads in motion so he had to rush to an ending which wasn't that satisfactory for 80 issues of build-up.

Also a fun fact: Megatron wasn't actually the Decepticon leader for that long in the comic as he got ousted by Shockwave fairly early, reclaimed it for a short period but then got kicked out of the plot for years and never formally retakes leadership until the Generation 2 comic. Leadership went Megatron, Shockwave, Megatron, Ratbat, Scorponok (and a splinter cell of Shockwave and Starscream) and ends with Bludgeon.
Also a good amount of movie characters never appeared in the US comic including Ultra Magnus.


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[User] >>136652029

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>>136654427
If Energon, the substance that is like both water and oil to them, makes them drunk, then the war lasting as long as it usually does makes a lot more sense now.


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>>136646308
>>136653367
I'd say it's mostly the latter probably. Optimus today is known as this larger-than-life, figurehead of justice that gives impressive speeches (hell, even Cyberverse riffed on that a bit).
The one big exception being Animated of course, which felt like if you fused (S1/2) G1 Prime with Optimus Primal. Morally righteous, can give a good speech/knows how to inspire his Autobots, can still crack a joke and have fun; but is also young and inexperienced with a bit of an edgy streak, who isn't incapable of letting his emotions get to him.

[Assistant]
>>136653540
Animated Prime is best boy


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>>136651927
>Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaVcpfncOWs [Embed]

I'm 45 years old, born in 1978, and haven't watched it since the 80's. No bullshit. Saw the animated movie on opening day in 1986 and cried like a little bitch when Optimus died. Watched the later seasons but after the movie it just couldn't compete. I will say that season 3 has the best theme!!!FACT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aASYfqP9414 [Embed]

[Assistant]
>>136654627
based crier


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)
>Implying seasons 2-4 had soul
They were just spinning their wheels after season 1.


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>>136655192
Depends on taste, man.
BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit.
Animated is the closest contender but is conversely dragged down a bit by its front half, with the supervillains needing a bit more character depth (sans Headmaster, whose entertainment value alone made him worth keeping around).
RiD2000 is consistent Y2kino action and comedy.
Rescue Bots is comfy and wholesome, with character depth to rival Animated.
Victory, Armada, Galaxy Force, and Prime all have unique and fun spins on what today became G1 status quo, making them all stand on their own.
And G1 cartoon is really fun when you're on a good episode.

It literally all depends on what you personally want out of a TF show.

The real question is why the hell are you watching TJOmega of all TF youtubers, that guy's the worst of them all..

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>>136655323
I like TJOmega DESU, personal views notwithstanding, his content I think is pretty good and he knows the toys well and has a lot of real experience with them that's comfy to hear about since he's been collecting since back in the day. I mainly only pay attention to the toy review side of TF youtube anyway, but I can deal with TJ's fiction and lore shit as an aside which for most I won't bother. A lot of people don't really offer personal insight but just basically read shit off wikis and give summaries of shit I already know about which I don't really need (looking at you McFeely I know you post here)


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LwzTNgcRc8 [Embed]
Is Beast Wars the best? TJOmega says ye

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>>136655192
it's my favorite and i just pretend Beast Machines never happened

>>136655323
>BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit
the only thing i can really think of would be Tigerhawk which was crap but pretty inconsequential overall

or maybe you're referring to new characters taking the place of old but honestly Quickstrike and Inferno had way more personality than Scorponok and Terrorsaur so i welcome that


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>>136655192
Depends on taste, man.
BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit.
Animated is the closest contender but is conversely dragged down a bit by its front half, with the supervillains needing a bit more character depth (sans Headmaster, whose entertainment value alone made him worth keeping around).
RiD2000 is consistent Y2kino action and comedy.
Rescue Bots is comfy and wholesome, with character depth to rival Animated.
Victory, Armada, Galaxy Force, and Prime all have unique and fun spins on what today became G1 status quo, making them all stand on their own.
And G1 cartoon is really fun when you're on a good episode.

It literally all depends on what you personally want out of a TF show.

The real question is why the hell are you watching TJOmega of all TF youtubers, that guy's the worst of them all..

[Assistant]
>>136655192
it's my favorite and i just pretend Beast Machines never happened

>>136655323
>BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit
the only thing i can really think of would be Tigerhawk which was crap but pretty inconsequential overall

or maybe you're referring to new characters taking the place of old but honestly Quickstrike and Inferno had way more personality than Scorponok and Terrorsaur so i welcome that


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>>136655192
it's my favorite and i just pretend Beast Machines never happened

>>136655323
>BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit
the only thing i can really think of would be Tigerhawk which was crap but pretty inconsequential overall

or maybe you're referring to new characters taking the place of old but honestly Quickstrike and Inferno had way more personality than Scorponok and Terrorsaur so i welcome that

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>>136656525
Inferno and Quickstrike WERE improvements over the ones they replaced. My gripes were with Tigerhawk, and all the bullshit dedicated to advertising "omg transmetals!!" Even if it was stupid superfluous nonsense like Dinobot II, or Cheetor's random evolution into an angsty teen who really wants to fuck. It also doesn't help that the transmetal forms themselves were all easily WAY goddamn uglier than the characters' original forms; I only tolerate Megatron's first TM form, because him having heelies and jet turbines is extremely silly in the good way.
But yeah, all of the above just really stank of "we're having our story manipulated because the toy company wants us to advertise toys." It wasn't done naturally at all, unlike future shows where most upgrades or new characters are introduced way more organically, and with more purpose.


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>>136656525
Inferno and Quickstrike WERE improvements over the ones they replaced. My gripes were with Tigerhawk, and all the bullshit dedicated to advertising "omg transmetals!!" Even if it was stupid superfluous nonsense like Dinobot II, or Cheetor's random evolution into an angsty teen who really wants to fuck. It also doesn't help that the transmetal forms themselves were all easily WAY goddamn uglier than the characters' original forms; I only tolerate Megatron's first TM form, because him having heelies and jet turbines is extremely silly in the good way.
But yeah, all of the above just really stank of "we're having our story manipulated because the toy company wants us to advertise toys." It wasn't done naturally at all, unlike future shows where most upgrades or new characters are introduced way more organically, and with more purpose.

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>>136656617
oh i see eh i didn't mind the Transmetal stuff much to me it made sense to make them be like mutation type things since BW was all about the technorganic themes it fit the series to me

i also liked the look of Transmetals only one i hated wad Optimus Primal but Tarantulas is based and I like the rest fine...I even like Transmetal 2s in their edgelord 90s style

i will say one thing i disliked about Transmetals was the common lack of guns and switch to melee weapon but thats more of an action figures complaint since the show did not really stick strictly to the lame things like whips....they kept guns in the show and invented some weapons and i will say Cheetors energy blasts were lame


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>>136651861
Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's. It was reran in the early 90s, and during the 2010s on Hub/Discovery Family, not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV

[Assistant]
>>136651927
Born in 78. Loved the show. The movie was awesome with killing so many transformers. And Spike and Ultra Magnus cursed. I loved that watching in the theater that it wasn’t dumbed down for kids.


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>>136653639
Nothing in the 00s tops this, now it's your nostalgia talking

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>>136654142
Everything went to shit in the 00s


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>>136651861
Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's. It was reran in the early 90s, and during the 2010s on Hub/Discovery Family, not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV

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>>136651927
The Hub was a small-ass channel whose top rated shows failed to break 80 000 viewers on brand new episodes sometimes. It is just mathematically very unlikely to find young fans of it.


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[User] this again?

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>>136645505
Could you fuck off with this post


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>>136651927
The Hub was a small-ass channel whose top rated shows failed to break 80 000 viewers on brand new episodes sometimes. It is just mathematically very unlikely to find young fans of it.

[Assistant]
>>136657143
There's also the fact that it's been free on youtube and streaming sites like tubi for a long time.


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>>136653639
Nothing in the 00s tops this, now it's your nostalgia talking

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>>136654142

>prime dies
>he turns gray

THATS NOT HOW METAL WORKS


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>>136645538
Starscream self-sabotaging is like the sun setting. You might have to wait a little while for it to happen, but it will always happen, without fail.

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>>136646168
Eh, something something laws of probability and usually being immortal.

More justifiably, it's usually a matter of how much trouble a Starscream high on the Underbase/AllSpark/Omega Lock/Primus's energy/Enigma of Combination/Matrix/Warworld etc. can cause and how many bots he can take down in the meantime.

Underbase didn't really have that excuse though.


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[User] Everyone sleeps on GI Joe desu.

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>>136654932

the GI Joe movie had to be changed at the last minute before release after the backlash of the transformers movie and them killing off popular characters. Duke didnt die, he was "in a coma and alive" in the revised ending.


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>>136654142

>prime dies
>he turns gray

THATS NOT HOW METAL WORKS

[Assistant]
>>136657890
Alien metal alloy, same reason most things don't make them rust or degrade.


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>>136654932

the GI Joe movie had to be changed at the last minute before release after the backlash of the transformers movie and them killing off popular characters. Duke didnt die, he was "in a coma and alive" in the revised ending.

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>>136657932
The Joes have survived worse being fair, like Snake Eyes literally being irradiated so badly he was fucking glowing and his life span dropped by a day to hours only to be saved by some fuckin old guy.
Real crime is the fact they dropped the Season 2 plotline of everyone hating Serpentor and wanting Cobra Commander back because the movie was written before it was dumb. I wanted it to be my lad Cobra Commander's time to shine than another fucking Cobra-La plot


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>>136657932
The Joes have survived worse being fair, like Snake Eyes literally being irradiated so badly he was fucking glowing and his life span dropped by a day to hours only to be saved by some fuckin old guy.
Real crime is the fact they dropped the Season 2 plotline of everyone hating Serpentor and wanting Cobra Commander back because the movie was written before it was dumb. I wanted it to be my lad Cobra Commander's time to shine than another fucking Cobra-La plot

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>>136657983
The Joe movie had to up the scale and threat level, like the Transformers did with Unicron.
If not Cobra La, it would have been something else bigger than normal Cobra, they used for the film.


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>>136657983
The Joe movie had to up the scale and threat level, like the Transformers did with Unicron.
If not Cobra La, it would have been something else bigger than normal Cobra, they used for the film.

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>>136658033
Desu its pretty simple, just have Cobra Commander stage an Armageddon mutually assured destruction plot across the entire world by seizing nuke stockpiles across the world as a REAL threat to the entire world and demanding the world powers submit or their major population centers be utterly destroyed with only those on Cobra Island to be spared to repopulate the world. High stakes enough for the Joes and gives Cobra a real air of menace for the time period like any classic action movie.


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>>136658033
Desu its pretty simple, just have Cobra Commander stage an Armageddon mutually assured destruction plot across the entire world by seizing nuke stockpiles across the world as a REAL threat to the entire world and demanding the world powers submit or their major population centers be utterly destroyed with only those on Cobra Island to be spared to repopulate the world. High stakes enough for the Joes and gives Cobra a real air of menace for the time period like any classic action movie.

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>>136658110
That sounds like it could just be on the normal season.
New movie, you have to introduce new toys. New scope. Bigger and badder!


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[User] Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.

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>>136645253 (OP)
Troonsformers: Weirdos in Disguise
Hardly


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>>136653599
I'd recommend watching an abridged version of Armada with fansubs, I actually found its take on Optimus really fun. For the majority of the show I just thought he was autistic, bc he always seemed to have trouble making fairly basic decisions that are very obviously "good," but then the finale reveals a darker side to his character that put everything into perspective. Sincere spoilers: During the finale, after teaming up to defeat Unicron, Megatron offers OP a final battle to settle their score, right as Unicron's planet form is tearing itself apart. Instead of seeing his partners off, he pulls out his Matrix and tosses it to the side, telling them to leave him. They then have an absolutely fucking brutal fight, tearing eachother apart, completely consumed by their battle-fueled adrenaline... finally Megatron gets dragged away into a black hole forming in Unicron's core, and there is an explosion. One of the episode's last shots is of Optimus, conscious, limply drifting through the wreckage... he turns his head to look at it, and bitterly mutters "I don't deserve it..."
You have NO IDEA how ready I was to see where they would take his character with this direction, it was like if it were Bay Optimus but more intriguing... Then I remembered the next series was Energon/Superlink, and I still haven't watched it lmao. Maybe someday; I also need to watch Galaxy Force, esp bc it's disconnected from the first two.

RiD2000 Fire Convoy is pretty great, but not too deep. He's just a very entertaining guy; very "pumped up!!" in a Y2K anime way, but also very levelheaded and frank. Like when he paused a battle with Skybite just to politely explain that his "poem" was bad, lmao. RiD2000's a really fucking good time bro.

As a bonus bc I watched it recently, BWII's Lio Convoy (I felt) was p underdeveloped like most of the show, but he was the standard morally-righteous Prime etc. Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while..

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>>136653786

So Armada Prime is a Prime who wants to be G1 Prime but his inner nature is Bayverse Prime?


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>>136658110
That sounds like it could just be on the normal season.
New movie, you have to introduce new toys. New scope. Bigger and badder!

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>>136658135
True, I guess there's always Destro tries to upstage Cobra Commander by pulling some bullshit out of his ass with the Iron Grenadiers with an even superior version of BATs that are basically terminators while staging a plot to rob the world's natural resources for an automated factory that pumps out superweapons like theyre nothing for an all out brawl between Cobra, Destro and the Joes.


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>>136651861
Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's. It was reran in the early 90s, and during the 2010s on Hub/Discovery Family, not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV

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>>136651927
>not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV
There is also an international divide. The G1 and Beast shows were never shown in my country because people in the 80s and 90s were too poor to afford the toys and so networks didn't bother to import the cartoons. Only older TF fans watched them on foreign TV networks and they also read the Marvel comics. Most younger TF fans grew up with the Bay movies, the Unicron trilogy and Prime because only those were distributed here, but they refuse to watch G1 and BW because they can't stand the designs, the art styles and they don't understand the English dialogue because these shows were never dubbed here.
As a result, there is a massive divide between the TF fan generations. It's mostly the old fans who still care for G1 and the Beast era. There's a younger part of the fanbase that fucking hates G1 and BW, and they also hated the Bumblebee movie because it was "too G1" for them. They also already hate the upcoming Rise of the Beasts movie.
I at least showed G1 and BW to my brother when he was a young kid, so he likes all the different TF eras.


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>>136654427
If Energon, the substance that is like both water and oil to them, makes them drunk, then the war lasting as long as it usually does makes a lot more sense now.

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>>136655905
They over-energized


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>>136658110
That sounds like it could just be on the normal season.
New movie, you have to introduce new toys. New scope. Bigger and badder!

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>>136658135
How's this: COBRA launches its own space station and purposely triggers a Kesseler syndrome, cutting off Earth and G.I. Joe. You still want to launch or maintain a satellite? You got to talk to COBRA now, very reasonable rates. And if you don't like it, you get some large metallic objects dropped on your head.With the ultimate high ground, the future is you getting teabagged by Cobra, forever.