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>>136753985
Anon, I think he's talking about stuff like TOH when he refers to something for gay depressed teenagers.

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>>136754017
Sorry, my apologies then. I think the biggest difference with lorestuff from back then (Teen Titans/Superman Cartoon/KND/etc) to now mostly has to do with setup and writing. At least stories then felt interesting and more conclusive even if they never pick up on some plot points where they left off creating plotholes. Those shows I've listed also have just as interesting episodic episodes as their lore/serialized ones do; if someone ever points out boring filler when it comes with having "fun" episodic episodes in these modern lore shows, just know half of their format is probably insipid like watching paint dry and need loreshit to signify as the dangling carrot of interest to keep audiences engaged.


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>>136747249 (OP)
kids never liked loreshit cartoons. its audience are weebs or people who think they are too good for anime.

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>>136747561
Kids love loreshit when it's done well, ToH and other loreshit western cartoons don't catch on because they don't have the cool visuals or any real stakes. No one expects any real long term consequences or impactful deaths from these shows. They'd rather just put on anime.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Because Fortnite exists.

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>>136750435
Surprised they haven't done a Fortnite tv cartoon yet
Too offput by the guns I guess


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>>136751215
>>136751370
Avatar was incredibly popular, wasn’t it?

[Assistant]
>>136751385
Not nearly as popular as its fags try to make it out to be. It had good ratings but couldn't compare to juggernauts like SpongeBob and FOP and was a HUGE flop merchandise wise which is why I always believe Nick hated it.


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>>136747249 (OP)
I have an 11 year old niece.
She's more entertained by wacky jocks on youtube doing parkour.
The cartoons are appeal more to people like my 26 year old sister that works for a non-profit.

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>>136747320
I have a 10 year old sister
She would rather read books than watch cartoons lol
If she ever watches a cartoon, it's an older one like Fairly Odd Parents


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>>136747320
I have a 10 year old sister
She would rather read books than watch cartoons lol
If she ever watches a cartoon, it's an older one like Fairly Odd Parents

[Assistant]
>>136755412
>an older one like Fairly Odd Parents
ok zoomer.


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[User] Why are kids losing interest in cartoons?

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>>136747249 (OP)
zero action / adventure shows with competent and heroic straight white male leads
only shows with black or female mary sues and negative depictions of white men and boys to push a far left agenda.


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[User] Why are kids losing interest in cartoons?

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>>136747249 (OP)
idk about modern cartoons but gen z totally grew up with Gravity Falls, Adventire Time, Steven Universe, Regular Show, Gumball, and other shit, i sorta had a feeling this would happen even when i was like 12, younger zoomers are only going to be interested in minecraft videos and shounen anime, watching cartoons on TV is kind of foreign now unless you still like cartoons as an adult, at least from what i've seen i do know zoomies who are kinda nostalgic for cartoons but like early 2010s stuff


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>>136753267
>this is an often parroted argument on here
It's missing context, but they're fundamentally right. Baby shows keep getting renewed because as a category, it brings in subscribers. TOH gets cancelled because its views don't necessarily bring in subscribers in Disney's view. On top of that, there's this entire missing discussion about cost. What is the cost per unique view for TOH? It's probably several factors higher than Bluey.
The thing that shouldn't be done is comparing streaming views between these shows. Plainly, not all views are the same, because viewing patterns of different demos aren't the same, and the value of those demos aren't the same.
>They could, if they actually renewed and advertised the shows and put them on D+ first like they're doing with other shows right now
Well, as a whole, Disney+ does not make a profit. And that's not really what I meant about converting views to profit. It's more about how Disney can monetize this particular audience.
One can blame Disney for failing to properly monetize TOH, but expecting a company to change its modus operandi for this one show because it doesn't fit with existing plans is somewhat unreasonable as well.

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>>136753771
>Baby shows keep getting renewed because as a category, it brings in subscribers. TOH gets cancelled because its views don't necessarily bring in subscribers in Disney's view.
We don't actually know that, we can only speculate, shows are greenlit and cancelled for all sorts of dumb reasons all the time

>On top of that, there's this entire missing discussion about cost. What is the cost per unique view for TOH? It's probably several factors higher than Bluey.
I'm fairly sure most animated shows on a network cost roughly the same regardless of the final result

>Well, as a whole, Disney+ does not make a profit.
That doesn't stop them from making content for it year round so this shouldn't be the exception

>but expecting a company to change its modus operandi for this one show because it doesn't fit with existing plans
They already monetize their serialized/YA/animated Marvel and Star Wars properties through tons of merch and other avenues, they just refuse to do the same for anything that's not Marvel or Star Wars for some reason


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>>136751385
Not nearly as popular as its fags try to make it out to be. It had good ratings but couldn't compare to juggernauts like SpongeBob and FOP and was a HUGE flop merchandise wise which is why I always believe Nick hated it.

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>>136755094
Avatar was goddamn huge when it hit streaming


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>>136747561
Kids love loreshit when it's done well, ToH and other loreshit western cartoons don't catch on because they don't have the cool visuals or any real stakes. No one expects any real long term consequences or impactful deaths from these shows. They'd rather just put on anime.

[Assistant]
>>136754431
>shonen anime
>has real stakes
LMAO


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[User] Why are kids losing interest in cartoons?

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>>136747249 (OP)
Because they're boring shit now. Show kids some 90s cartoons and they get excited.


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>>136750874
>Episodic cartoons
episidic cartoons are the main reason why cartoons suck compared to anime, they don't have a plot or hook that can keep you engaged for long. for example I love gumball or simpsons, but I don't look forward to "what could happen next", they are fun for those 20 mins and that's all (yes you have some small storylines but nothing really relevant if you start seeing it from ep 1 or ep 20). Instead when I watched shit like dragonball or naruto you constantly think about "what will happen next" "what a twist" "it was like that!", is an actual story, that you look forward to follow. With episodic you can't build great or "deep" storylines.
But I agree with you that episodic is better for tv networks since they can spam episodes without needing to follow the correct order

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>>136751058
>episidic cartoons are the main reason why cartoons suck compared to anime,

The longest running anime are episodic comedies. Even the creator of Spy x Family admitted the only reason why he made it was because an episodic comedy is more appealing to general audiences than the emo shit weebs prop up online


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>>136753481
>it's irrelevant for streaming
It's not irrelevant to streaming because they know who typically pays for the service. If most subscribers are parents with tiny children, then they need to apportion their budget appropriately.
Going back to TOH. Because Disney needs to set appropriate budget to various types of content, TOH not fitting its intended demo is a problem because it's taking money away from what should be kids shows, while possibly not performing as well as programming targeted specifically at whatever audience TOH ended up with.

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>>136753853
But again, if they hoped to get 100k subscribers with the baby show, and got 100k+ of YA audience, it's by no means a failure, the way it would be if they set aside morning ad slots on the TV channel for kids toys ads but the shows drew in only adults like CN for example currently does.


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>>136747561
Kids love loreshit when it's done well, ToH and other loreshit western cartoons don't catch on because they don't have the cool visuals or any real stakes. No one expects any real long term consequences or impactful deaths from these shows. They'd rather just put on anime.

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>>136754431
>Kids love loreshit when it's done well

No they dont. Big City Greens is more appealing to kids than loreshit cartoons.


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>>136749376
Women generally don't give a crap about cartoons, comics or videogames. Which is one of the many reasons the comic industry is failing. So many comics shitting on men, when men is 99% of their userbase.

The problem with cartoons nowadays is very simple. Back in the 2000s, and heck, in 1990s, the purpose of a cartoon was for a parent to sit a kid in front of a TV and keep the kid entertained for 20 minutes or more.

Nowadays, you do that, and the kid later at dinner asks you "What's a transgender?" which oof, nobody wants to explain to children that people are so crazy they cut their dicks off.

Also, another big factor is the lack of "funny", replaced by "preaching". The Owl House, for example, has nobody funny in it besides maybe Hooty, but he's more cringe than funny.

That is horrible for a slice of life comedy whatever this show tried to be. Who, besides the mentally ill that screech and call it "the best thing ever" when they see their sexuality represented in a cartoon, would find this show good or entertaining?

Maybe the losers with far, faaaaar too much free time. But children? Oof, no. Children have a million things more entertaining to do.

So overall, neither the parents will sit the children in front of the TV to watch these shitty cartoons, nor the children themselves will try to watch them. Because they're boring. And the problem with this, the big problem, is that all cartoon started being exactly like this, so when a new cartoon comes out, people assume it's going to be the same (and lol it is), and so nobody watches it.

It's the reason why in 2012 Gravity Falls had 4M viewers and Disney was like "hmmmmmmm, unsure it's big enough to give it a 2nd season..." and now in 2023, dogshit barely hits 0.4M and they immediately are greenlit for 3 seasons.

There is more people alive now than in 2012, but there is ironically less people interested in cartoons, because they turned into shit.

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>>136749552
>Women generally don't give a crap about cartoons, comics or videogames.

women like these things, but are commonly more neurotic and insecure than men so when adulthood rolls around, they tend to like the things society tells them to like.


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>>136749183
.........................

[Assistant]
>>136749606
>old good new bad
>cherrypicking

yawn


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>>136750756
>If TOH totaled at 225 million views across 40 half-hour episodes, that is still worse than Helluva getting 190 million views
You have to pay to watch TOH and it still probably has way more total views than Helluva Boss, but we don't have access to the various legal streaming sites' info to know for sure, but paid views are definitely better than free ones

>How they both got to nearly 800k followers is irrelevant
Actually it's very relevant, if a webcomic writer spent every hour of their decade long career trying to boost their online presence and gather followers through trend chasing, gaming the system etc, and got outperformed or matched in engagement by someone like Togashi by simply signing up for Twitter on his first day with a random username and zero official fanfare, then the webcomic writer performed relatively worse (way more effort for the same result)

>benefit of reaching not only her own audience, but any Disney YT subscribers
Not really, Disney Channel YT subscribers are likely small kids and their normalfag parents, neither of which would be enticed by hour long season 3 episodes of a YA show they lack context for

>when TOH's finale gets uploaded
This started only recently (~6 months ago) whereas Vivzie has had 10 years to get her audience used to the fact her content premieres and is hosted exclusively on her channel

>her content still does worse by comparison
It actually does about the same on YT despite being available in tons of other places beforehand

>If trends mattered
You're the one that brought up Vivzie's online engagement as a sign of success, not me

>TOH does NOT see longer term results
Because it was cancelled prematurely

>the first episode would not have capped at 9 mil views
TOH in full is available in tons of places paid and the pilot being available on YT is not exactly common knowledge, it got buried under hundreds of other Disney videos almost instantly whereas Viv's channel hosts only her curated videos

[Assistant]
>>136752513
>but paid views are definitely better than free ones
>But then he brings up online trending as evidence for its popularity

???


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>>136752513
>but paid views are definitely better than free ones
>But then he brings up online trending as evidence for its popularity

???

[Assistant]
>>136756466
>>>You're the one that brought up Vivzie's online engagement as a sign of success, not me


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>>136749376
>Your 11 year old niece is looking for sex
You gonna tell that to the judge?

[Assistant]
>>136749766
>>136750996
Welcome to what marketers realized 90 years ago.


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>>136749376
>Your 11 year old niece is looking for sex
>reddit spacing
found the groomer

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>>136749766
>>136750996
Welcome to what marketers realized 90 years ago.


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[User] Serialized animation is one of the most retarded concepts in entertainment to be brutally honest.

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>>136751215
Anime taking over the world and dumbass cartoonfags talking shit.


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>>136756466
>>>You're the one that brought up Vivzie's online engagement as a sign of success, not me

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>>136756478
Because the creators online engage can directly translate to how many people will show potential interest and become a fan in their product. Dana is backed by Disney numbers as well as her own. Disney uploads TOH to their YT channel where people are subbed for more than just TOH, so Dana gets her own fans + outsiders to potentially have the episodes show up on their recommended. Vivienne's fanbases come exclusively via word-of-mouth over the course of a decade of building a fanbase. She wasn't backed by Kesha, she just made a music video animated to her song. Lots of original AMVs exist that go nowhere and do nothing for the person.

Despite them being getting to their follower counts in different ways with different methods, they both ended up with roughly the same amount. And yet, one person has much more dedicated fans than the other. If TOH was truly as popular as Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel, the 3-part finale would already be in the 15mil each. Not sitting at 7 - 9 mil. That's why these are not good numbers when you consider how much more is going into TOH compared to Helluva, and Helluva is getting four times the better result.


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[User] Why are kids losing interest in cartoons?

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>>136747249 (OP)
>"Didn't fit the brand"
>Meanwhile, shows like Big City Greens and Kiff do well on Disney because they're kiddie comedies

I mean... Maybe Disney was right? Is that really so crazy?


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[User] Why are kids losing interest in cartoons?

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>>136747249 (OP)
It's the means of distribution. Pre-recorded broadcast is obsolete technology.


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>>136747249 (OP)
>"Didn't fit the brand"
>Meanwhile, shows like Big City Greens and Kiff do well on Disney because they're kiddie comedies

I mean... Maybe Disney was right? Is that really so crazy?

[Assistant]
>>136757309
>Big City Greens and Kiff do well on Disney
They don't


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Anything that turns into yurishit is destined to tank
This is why no one touches/talks about later tomoko
Just saying

[Assistant]
>>136753212
But the new Gundam is yurishit and that's doing very well


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>>136753212
But the new Gundam is yurishit and that's doing very well

[Assistant]
>>136757433
It was, until Oshi no Kino hit the scene and started bodying it.


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>>136757309
>Big City Greens and Kiff do well on Disney
They don't

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>>136757344
BCG would not be getting as many season orders and specials as it does if it wasn't doing well. I think you think that "doing well" means "big hit" when all it means is "doing well".


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>>136757344
BCG would not be getting as many season orders and specials as it does if it wasn't doing well. I think you think that "doing well" means "big hit" when all it means is "doing well".

[Assistant]
>>136757521
But it's doing terribly


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>>136757521
But it's doing terribly

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>>136757539
Source?


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>>136757539
Source?

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>>136757557
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_City_Greens_episodes
Look at the ratings on the right, they're 1/4 of what they used to be and falling


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>>136757557
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_City_Greens_episodes
Look at the ratings on the right, they're 1/4 of what they used to be and falling

[Assistant]
>>136757589
Now give me the numbers for Disney+.


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>>136757589
Now give me the numbers for Disney+.

[Assistant]
>>136757656
None exist


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>>136757656
None exist

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>>136757678
Then you can't say for certain that it's doing poorly. Disney does not have a track record of continuing to financially back a show if it's doing terribly. If it's not getting TV numbers, then it must be getting numbers from elsewhere, possibly Disney+ or other streaming services. There's also the foreign market to look at since overseas TV numbers DO still exist. That's part of why nuPPG went on for so long: It was actually doing decently at CNMexico.


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>>136757678
Then you can't say for certain that it's doing poorly. Disney does not have a track record of continuing to financially back a show if it's doing terribly. If it's not getting TV numbers, then it must be getting numbers from elsewhere, possibly Disney+ or other streaming services. There's also the foreign market to look at since overseas TV numbers DO still exist. That's part of why nuPPG went on for so long: It was actually doing decently at CNMexico.

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>>136757788
>Disney does not have a track record of continuing to financially back a show if it's doing terribly.
That's not true


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>>136757788
>Disney does not have a track record of continuing to financially back a show if it's doing terribly.
That's not true

[Assistant]
>>136757838
How many shows did they keep going past 2 or 3 seasons and give specials to that were losing them money?


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>>136753771
>Baby shows keep getting renewed because as a category, it brings in subscribers. TOH gets cancelled because its views don't necessarily bring in subscribers in Disney's view.
We don't actually know that, we can only speculate, shows are greenlit and cancelled for all sorts of dumb reasons all the time

>On top of that, there's this entire missing discussion about cost. What is the cost per unique view for TOH? It's probably several factors higher than Bluey.
I'm fairly sure most animated shows on a network cost roughly the same regardless of the final result

>Well, as a whole, Disney+ does not make a profit.
That doesn't stop them from making content for it year round so this shouldn't be the exception

>but expecting a company to change its modus operandi for this one show because it doesn't fit with existing plans
They already monetize their serialized/YA/animated Marvel and Star Wars properties through tons of merch and other avenues, they just refuse to do the same for anything that's not Marvel or Star Wars for some reason

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>>136755881
>We don't actually know that, we can only speculate
We're all free to speculate. No one really knows what the unique audience for TOH is, yet the streaming numbers keep being brought up.
We only know one thing for sure: TOH got its third season cut short. Now, Disney has made its share of dumb decisions lately, but at a bare minimum, is it an irrational company that would cut a successful show for no good reason? Is that what you believe?
>I'm fairly sure most animated shows on a network cost roughly the same regardless of the final result
They are budgeted roughly the same, but that does not mean they cost the same at the end. TOH notably had delays. Delays costs money.
>they just refuse to do the same for anything that's not Marvel or Star Wars for some reason
Well, you're also speculating by assuming that TOH would be worth merchandising. It just goes back to the original quandary, the rather unknowable actual size of the TOH fandom and whether Disney is fundamentally a sane business.
>>136756041
>if they hoped to get 100k subscribers with the baby show, and got 100k+ of YA audience, it's by no means a failure
It shouldn't be, an I understand why this is frustrating to people. I'm just explaining why demos matter from a content mix perspective.
At some point, a breakout show can be so popular that it should offset any demo-related concerns, right? That just points back to TOH not being as popular as its youtube views and social media engagement suggests.


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>>136753853
But again, if they hoped to get 100k subscribers with the baby show, and got 100k+ of YA audience, it's by no means a failure, the way it would be if they set aside morning ad slots on the TV channel for kids toys ads but the shows drew in only adults like CN for example currently does.

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>>136755881
>We don't actually know that, we can only speculate
We're all free to speculate. No one really knows what the unique audience for TOH is, yet the streaming numbers keep being brought up.
We only know one thing for sure: TOH got its third season cut short. Now, Disney has made its share of dumb decisions lately, but at a bare minimum, is it an irrational company that would cut a successful show for no good reason? Is that what you believe?
>I'm fairly sure most animated shows on a network cost roughly the same regardless of the final result
They are budgeted roughly the same, but that does not mean they cost the same at the end. TOH notably had delays. Delays costs money.
>they just refuse to do the same for anything that's not Marvel or Star Wars for some reason
Well, you're also speculating by assuming that TOH would be worth merchandising. It just goes back to the original quandary, the rather unknowable actual size of the TOH fandom and whether Disney is fundamentally a sane business.
>>136756041
>if they hoped to get 100k subscribers with the baby show, and got 100k+ of YA audience, it's by no means a failure
It shouldn't be, an I understand why this is frustrating to people. I'm just explaining why demos matter from a content mix perspective.
At some point, a breakout show can be so popular that it should offset any demo-related concerns, right? That just points back to TOH not being as popular as its youtube views and social media engagement suggests.


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>>136747961
Women find Jack Sparrow sexy? He looks like a bum

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>>136748059
>>136748084
>>136748178
it's been established for a long time that the consensus, among women, is that the single most sexually appealing look is "disheveled drug dealer".


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>>136748059
Johnny Depp is just that much of a hottie I suppose

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>>136748059
>>136748084
>>136748178
it's been established for a long time that the consensus, among women, is that the single most sexually appealing look is "disheveled drug dealer".


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>>136748116
Nta but I don't know what to tell you, I distinctly remember a bunch of teenager girls being hot for that swartthly, dishevelled mumbling filthy man. I can't be too judgement. I had a thing for Tia Dalma/Calypso even though I really shouldn't have.

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>>136748059
>>136748084
>>136748178
it's been established for a long time that the consensus, among women, is that the single most sexually appealing look is "disheveled drug dealer".


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>>136747871
Relevant.

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>>136747901
Whos my target audience /co/?
>only girls
>have superpowers, full gore/violence in action
>suits with skirts outfits
>comedy based, every girl is an idiot in some way
>no lesbians


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>>136747901
Whos my target audience /co/?
>only girls
>have superpowers, full gore/violence in action
>suits with skirts outfits
>comedy based, every girl is an idiot in some way
>no lesbians

[Assistant]
>>136758369
coomers and ryonafags


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>>136747901
Whos my target audience /co/?
>only girls
>have superpowers, full gore/violence in action
>suits with skirts outfits
>comedy based, every girl is an idiot in some way
>no lesbians

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>>136758369
The "people who legitimately believed Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune were cousins" audience.


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>>136758369
coomers and ryonafags

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>>136758657
>>136758790
I think as long as I can attract enough coomers it will be worth it then.


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>>136758369
The "people who legitimately believed Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune were cousins" audience.

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>>136758657
>>136758790
I think as long as I can attract enough coomers it will be worth it then.


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>>136755881
>We don't actually know that, we can only speculate
We're all free to speculate. No one really knows what the unique audience for TOH is, yet the streaming numbers keep being brought up.
We only know one thing for sure: TOH got its third season cut short. Now, Disney has made its share of dumb decisions lately, but at a bare minimum, is it an irrational company that would cut a successful show for no good reason? Is that what you believe?
>I'm fairly sure most animated shows on a network cost roughly the same regardless of the final result
They are budgeted roughly the same, but that does not mean they cost the same at the end. TOH notably had delays. Delays costs money.
>they just refuse to do the same for anything that's not Marvel or Star Wars for some reason
Well, you're also speculating by assuming that TOH would be worth merchandising. It just goes back to the original quandary, the rather unknowable actual size of the TOH fandom and whether Disney is fundamentally a sane business.
>>136756041
>if they hoped to get 100k subscribers with the baby show, and got 100k+ of YA audience, it's by no means a failure
It shouldn't be, an I understand why this is frustrating to people. I'm just explaining why demos matter from a content mix perspective.
At some point, a breakout show can be so popular that it should offset any demo-related concerns, right? That just points back to TOH not being as popular as its youtube views and social media engagement suggests.

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>>136757907
>is it an irrational company that would cut a successful show for no good reason
Sure, why not, industry execs make a lot of retarded decisions so this wouldn't be surprising, it was Nick execs who passed up on Adventure Time, Disney execs who had to be strongarmed into renewing Kim Possible past 65 episodes, who made up the 65 episode rule in the first place, who thought people would want to buy Rey toys, or want to watch Moon Girl, or shelved the Three Caballeros, CN execs who thought people would want to watch live action shit or Steven Universe in bomb format etc.

Alex Hirsch initially said ending GF was his idea but his recent complaints indicate that he wanted to do a movie or a game that Disney wouldn't give him etc. Just an incredible amount of stupid shit comes from these people.

>Delays costs money
Exec-caused delays, who chickened out and wanted the turn the show into something different than was greenlit, same happened to Amphibia but before any production started.

>you're also speculating by assuming that TOH would be worth merchandising
And you are speculating by assuming it wouldn't, I'm saying they wouldn't even try to test the waters, you're saying it's fine they didn't because the merch might not have sold which is inane. GF was huge and it didn't get merch past some safe books and comics.

>the rather unknowable actual size of the TOH fandom
We know for a fact Amphibia was smaller than both GF and TOH and it got a full three seasons and its journal still sold so well Matt was asking fans whether they'd potentially want a comic or an artbook next. TOH got better TV ratings, more views on its episodes on YT, more and better ratings on IMDB, trends often with tons of tweets, has a 3x larger subreddit, caused a stampede at Pixelatl, etc which are objectively indicators of a larger fandom than Amphibia's, yet it was still cut short and won't get supplemental material.

>Disney is fundamentally a sane business
I seriously doubt it is


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>>136749701
>0.5M TV ratings at a time when everything else is doing like this >>136747452
>4.5 million views in 4 days on YouTube
>20 million views on YouTube for S3 total
>#5 trending on Disney+
>320k tweets on Twitter trending
>finale is the most watched Disney Channel telecast of the year so far
>the #3 most in-demand series on Disney+ last December
>8.5 rating with 15k ratings total on IMDB, 9.6 rating through 1.1k votes for the finale in 10 days
>entered the IMDB top 100 popular shows as the only western animation except South Park and Star Wars, the only anime in top 100 are AOT and KNY

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>>136750268
>>0.5M TV ratings at a time when everything else is doing like this >>136747452
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>4.5 million views in 4 days on YouTube
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>20 million views on YouTube for S3 total
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>#5 trending on Disney+
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>320k tweets on Twitter trending
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>finale is the most watched Disney Channel telecast of the year so far
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>the #3 most in-demand series on Disney+ last December
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>8.5 rating with 15k ratings total on IMDB, 9.6 rating through 1.1k votes for the finale in 10 days
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>entered the IMDB top 100 popular shows as the only western animation except South Park and Star Wars, the only anime in top 100 are AOT and KNY
doesn't actually make any money lol


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>>136750268
>>0.5M TV ratings at a time when everything else is doing like this >>136747452
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>4.5 million views in 4 days on YouTube
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>20 million views on YouTube for S3 total
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>#5 trending on Disney+
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>320k tweets on Twitter trending
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>finale is the most watched Disney Channel telecast of the year so far
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>the #3 most in-demand series on Disney+ last December
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>8.5 rating with 15k ratings total on IMDB, 9.6 rating through 1.1k votes for the finale in 10 days
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>entered the IMDB top 100 popular shows as the only western animation except South Park and Star Wars, the only anime in top 100 are AOT and KNY
doesn't actually make any money lol


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>>136755881
>We don't actually know that, we can only speculate
We're all free to speculate. No one really knows what the unique audience for TOH is, yet the streaming numbers keep being brought up.
We only know one thing for sure: TOH got its third season cut short. Now, Disney has made its share of dumb decisions lately, but at a bare minimum, is it an irrational company that would cut a successful show for no good reason? Is that what you believe?
>I'm fairly sure most animated shows on a network cost roughly the same regardless of the final result
They are budgeted roughly the same, but that does not mean they cost the same at the end. TOH notably had delays. Delays costs money.
>they just refuse to do the same for anything that's not Marvel or Star Wars for some reason
Well, you're also speculating by assuming that TOH would be worth merchandising. It just goes back to the original quandary, the rather unknowable actual size of the TOH fandom and whether Disney is fundamentally a sane business.
>>136756041
>if they hoped to get 100k subscribers with the baby show, and got 100k+ of YA audience, it's by no means a failure
It shouldn't be, an I understand why this is frustrating to people. I'm just explaining why demos matter from a content mix perspective.
At some point, a breakout show can be so popular that it should offset any demo-related concerns, right? That just points back to TOH not being as popular as its youtube views and social media engagement suggests.

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>>136757907
It's funny that in the same post you both suggest Disney is a rational performance-based business, and that also they'd want to turn back customers and their money because they don't fit their age demo

Guess they should've closed Disney World when it started being attended by majority childless adults because kids were the original target demo


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>>136750268
>>0.5M TV ratings at a time when everything else is doing like this >>136747452
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>4.5 million views in 4 days on YouTube
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>20 million views on YouTube for S3 total
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>#5 trending on Disney+
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>320k tweets on Twitter trending
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>finale is the most watched Disney Channel telecast of the year so far
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>the #3 most in-demand series on Disney+ last December
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>8.5 rating with 15k ratings total on IMDB, 9.6 rating through 1.1k votes for the finale in 10 days
doesn't actually make any money lol
>>entered the IMDB top 100 popular shows as the only western animation except South Park and Star Wars, the only anime in top 100 are AOT and KNY
doesn't actually make any money lol

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>>136759184
Mindbroken by facts


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>>136755094
Avatar was goddamn huge when it hit streaming

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>>136755930
keyword "when".


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>>136755930
keyword "when".

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>>136760049
Are you implying that just because it's still not that huge it's a worthless IP? Are you aware of the passage of time and its effects? Or the 3-4 live action and animated spinoff shows and movies they're making of it?


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>>136750435
>Le FoRtNiTe
Rent-free, boomer. Fortnite still manages to make the Internet seethe 6 years later.

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>>136751219
if this isnt satire, it should be


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>>136760049
Are you implying that just because it's still not that huge it's a worthless IP? Are you aware of the passage of time and its effects? Or the 3-4 live action and animated spinoff shows and movies they're making of it?

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>>136760166
>Or the 3-4 live action and animated spinoff shows and movies they're making of it?
I can't wait to see how they'll fuck them up.


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>>136747901
Remember when all the girls went crazy for the fucking Once-ler because he looked kind of sleek and sexy? Or how they all went nuts for Riddler/Penguin shipping in Gotham?

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>>136749619
My favorite part of the top left comic is that she's being written by a man

A man using a woman to educate a man on what women want


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>>136753212
I really do miss when she was one of us

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>>136753271
>one of us
>implying anon is a a literal unpopular incel
Bro sooner or later you're gonna have to go in a direction, either up or down. What direction is Watamote supposed to go in if you'd rather have the whole series be Tomoko failing at finding a boyfriend?


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>>136747901
Whos my target audience /co/?
>only girls
>have superpowers, full gore/violence in action
>suits with skirts outfits
>comedy based, every girl is an idiot in some way
>no lesbians

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>>136758369
This all depends on the fashion of the characters and what type of comedy you're using. A product doesn't need character who match the sexual orientation of the audience for the audience to be attracted to them. They merely need to be their ideal fantasy person.

Take pic related for example. If you designed a character that looked like this and she was as straight as an arrow, you would still attract a bunch of bi and lesbian women because she is physically and fashionably "their type".

If you have very over-the-top gorey black comedy humor like The Boys, you will attract mostly men. If you have cutesy humor like School Rumble, you'll attract more women than men. If you have sitcom-y humor like Family Guy, you'll probably get maybe 60/40 men/women.


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[User] Why are kids losing interest in cartoons?

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>>136747249 (OP)
Define kids? Owlhouse was targeted towards older kids, like preteens and teens that never changed the channel


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>>136747249 (OP)
For as much shit it gets this at least was made with kids in mind instead of gay depressed teenagers, actually that's probably why it got a lot of hate.

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>>136753600
It was Family Guy for kids.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Define kids? Owlhouse was targeted towards older kids, like preteens and teens that never changed the channel

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>>136761401
Yet its demographic were women in their 20s and 30s.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Owl House was obviously made for 20 something year old womanchild dykes

I'm sure kids will watch the cartoon about Batman's car coming to life or whatever TMNT reboot goes on the air

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>>136747674
my sister is a single childless 40 year old lesbian with 2 cats and she never shuts up about how much she loved the Owl House so you might be onto something


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>>136747249 (OP)
I have an 11 year old niece.
She's more entertained by wacky jocks on youtube doing parkour.
The cartoons are appeal more to people like my 26 year old sister that works for a non-profit.

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>>136747320
only kids I know under 12, just talk about Pokemon, Minecraft and Roblox


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>>136747249 (OP)
Because all the competition for cartoons (video games, anime, streaming) have become more and more accessible while cartoons have only become less accessible as television flags as a medium and streaming services just serve to fragment the audience. On top of that, cartoons have always had a weak business model and high production costs. Toy sales have become an incredibly unreliable monetization method but the cartoon studios don't seem to know what else to do. They can't adapt their business model to the changing times. And that's just another symptom of cartoon studios being out of touch in general, which is probably the core of the issue.

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>>136752047
Not to mention how cartoons aren't as broad as said mediums. Its either trying to be Disney/John K/South Park/Simpsons/Looney Tunes/Bruce Timm/whatever trend is hot nowadays.


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>>136747249 (OP)
>Owl House didn't fit Disney Brand
>Meanwhile pic related fits Disney Brand just fine

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>>136747286
In addition to >>136747526 I honestly believe that Dana was the one "not fitting the Disney Brand" as she was clearly constantly aiming to adults through her social media, no wonder because even her cartoon was aimed to appeal lgbt adults rather than teenagers, no surprise the designs were meant to have a certain appealing for adults as well, which is also why the R34 began milking them even before the show started!


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>>136747286
What everyone misunderstands about TOH being cancelled was that it wasn't cancelled simply because of gays, but primarily due to TOH being the most expensive show airing on Disney at the time while failing to garner enough viewers to justify a full third season. Making matters worse was the show being the last DVTA serialized show released during a time when new producers were moving away from it and back to episodic programming.

Specifically the show was originally intended to be far more darker and morbid ala Courage the Cowardly Dog, something Disney opposed (hence the unused backgrounds and rejected short along with the sharp contrast with the pilot pitch) as they were moving away from that sort of thing.

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>>136747286
In addition to >>136747526 I honestly believe that Dana was the one "not fitting the Disney Brand" as she was clearly constantly aiming to adults through her social media, no wonder because even her cartoon was aimed to appeal lgbt adults rather than teenagers, no surprise the designs were meant to have a certain appealing for adults as well, which is also why the R34 began milking them even before the show started!


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>>136747292
>it wasn't shit
Anon, the only thing people cared about it were underage lesbians

[Assistant]
>>136748808
>underage lesbians
Leslolis.

Just a lil Van Goghing, or should I say Pun Goghin? He he he


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>>136747249 (OP)
Define kids? Owlhouse was targeted towards older kids, like preteens and teens that never changed the channel

[Assistant]
>>136761401
>Believes teenagers were going to watch that shit
>>136761770
>Believes women in their 20s were going to watch that shit.

The right answer is trannies in their 30s and about to join the %


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>>136761401
Yet its demographic were women in their 20s and 30s.

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>>136761401
>Believes teenagers were going to watch that shit
>>136761770
>Believes women in their 20s were going to watch that shit.

The right answer is trannies in their 30s and about to join the %


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the entire american entertainment industry has spent years for a virtue signaling faggotry and yet there's barely any notable company prioritizes anything like artistic value over profits because their liberalism is shallow fake in the first place.
in this case what they did was making half-assed anime without any respect and adding more igbt stuff and then got cancelled for not making enough money. well deserved.

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>>136762341
Anon TOH mogs most anime on so many fronts it's not even funny while also somehow managing to be less gay


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[User] KIDS DON'T WATCH CARTOONS ANYMORE. If western animation (besides Europe because they don't give a fuck) wants to survive without devolving into babyshit like Cocomelon it unironically has to start pandering to teenagers and young adults (aka anime)

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>>136760607
>Anime
Dana made it clear she hated anime during her youth and I doubt much of her opinion towards the fans of that had changed, not to mention when she answered a question regarding Luz and anime she gave such shittaste answer that I doubt anyone really gave a try to what the names she mentioned.

Fuck! I even remember her saying "luz began watching this anime, but she decided it was too mature for her, so she didn't continue".

What kind of dreamworld does she believe a teenager will say "no man, this has too mature themes for me so I'll watch something else".

In that contrast, was she expecting teenagers to NOT say "woah,this boring piece of shit that is fag house has gays and lesbians, they/them, I'll watch My Hero Academia instead!"


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>>136747674
my sister is a single childless 40 year old lesbian with 2 cats and she never shuts up about how much she loved the Owl House so you might be onto something

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>>136761913
She sounds like a cunt. Does she have a shaved head and yell about men being evil too?


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>>136749606
..................

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>>136750481
Bambi and Unikitty aren't going to same vibe though.


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[User] Why are kids losing interest in cartoons?

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>>136747249 (OP)
Childhood of nowadays isn't nearly the same as that of infants of decades past. And I suppose it has to do with technological development and the extensive diversity of entertainment media besides animation (streaming, videogames, etc); in addition to the personal interests of each one.

So it also falls on what really appeals to the infant, adolescent, young adult and those enthusiasts of animation whom were kids too.


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the entire american entertainment industry has spent years for a virtue signaling faggotry and yet there's barely any notable company prioritizes anything like artistic value over profits because their liberalism is shallow fake in the first place.
in this case what they did was making half-assed anime without any respect and adding more igbt stuff and then got cancelled for not making enough money. well deserved.

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>>136762341
you know what is funny is that anime is so "diverse" and pro "lgbt" that is not even funny, but they do it in a way that is not in your face nor is used as a virtue signal like all those faggot cartoons and tv shows and movies.
Ffs lycoris recoil had 2 gay daddies, gundam is a lesbian story, and you have genderbend since the 1980 at least
>their liberalism is shallow fake in the first place.
and this too, like they do with racism, what they churn out is an even more racist caricature than what they are trying to virtue signal, and the same it applied to how they show fags.
For example I don't expect something like this to ever come out from a cartoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAgBRO-aT8 [Embed]


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>>136747735
Gender non conforming. Hence why Luz looks boring and why fans liked Amity more for... being feminine.

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>>136747793

Kinda funny how GNC in practice is just a bland character.

Might as well just have Gordon Freeman as the star.


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>>136747249 (OP)
The problem is that this show is too adult for kiddies and too infantile for adults or even teens.
It's stuck in a limbo.
And the womanchild writers used it as terapy to their gay trauma.


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>>136751159
>when the west tried imitating anime that animation went to shit.
because they are unable to
>>136751133
>>136751159
maybe don't miss a fucking episode? if you engaged in something then you don't want to miss them. Is like saying that tv shows are shit because they have a plotline that spans over a dozen episodes. If you aren't a toddler I think that you are capable enough to follow a story.
Episodic is the definition of goyslop, something that you consume everywhere at any time, and can't expect much of it

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>>136751526
>>136751835
>>136751995

Not everybody wants to watch a lorefilled slog with tons of backstory and "deep" themes. Some people just want to watch fun, likable characters in interesting environments and that's fine. And just because a cartoon or show is episodic doesn't mean that the dynamics can't be interesting. Hell, Tom and Jerry frequently switched up the formula and setting during the original run. Sometimes they might be in 17th century Paris in one cartoon and then be underwater sea mermaids in the next. Sometimes Tom and Jerry might team up and they have to face a greater foe like a dog or a cat who's trying to replace Tom. Sometimes the cartoon isn't even about Tom chasing Jerry at all.

There's more these cartoon than you think, anon.


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>>136751579
>>136751649
>he cares about companies
you guys lost the thread of what I said, I said that yes having episodic trash is good since tv networks could spam them easily, but my point is that cartoons by being episodic is one of the main reasons why they suck compared to anime. The episodic format is limited on it's storytelling capabilities and inferior. Moreover one of the main reasons why cartoons are still considered for dumb kids even if they try to appeal to a more adult audience.
>you're not even making sense anymore.
what is that you don't get? Episodic is easy to massproduce, beep beep escaped the coyote for the 1234# time his acme trap failed. Tom escaped jerry for the 1359# time he so smart. Same dynamic and plot reused thousands of times, if this isn't the definition of slop idk what it is.

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>>136751526
>>136751835
>>136751995

Not everybody wants to watch a lorefilled slog with tons of backstory and "deep" themes. Some people just want to watch fun, likable characters in interesting environments and that's fine. And just because a cartoon or show is episodic doesn't mean that the dynamics can't be interesting. Hell, Tom and Jerry frequently switched up the formula and setting during the original run. Sometimes they might be in 17th century Paris in one cartoon and then be underwater sea mermaids in the next. Sometimes Tom and Jerry might team up and they have to face a greater foe like a dog or a cat who's trying to replace Tom. Sometimes the cartoon isn't even about Tom chasing Jerry at all.

There's more these cartoon than you think, anon.


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>>136751893
I accept you concession slop lover

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>>136751526
>>136751835
>>136751995

Not everybody wants to watch a lorefilled slog with tons of backstory and "deep" themes. Some people just want to watch fun, likable characters in interesting environments and that's fine. And just because a cartoon or show is episodic doesn't mean that the dynamics can't be interesting. Hell, Tom and Jerry frequently switched up the formula and setting during the original run. Sometimes they might be in 17th century Paris in one cartoon and then be underwater sea mermaids in the next. Sometimes Tom and Jerry might team up and they have to face a greater foe like a dog or a cat who's trying to replace Tom. Sometimes the cartoon isn't even about Tom chasing Jerry at all.

There's more these cartoon than you think, anon.


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>>136758369
This all depends on the fashion of the characters and what type of comedy you're using. A product doesn't need character who match the sexual orientation of the audience for the audience to be attracted to them. They merely need to be their ideal fantasy person.

Take pic related for example. If you designed a character that looked like this and she was as straight as an arrow, you would still attract a bunch of bi and lesbian women because she is physically and fashionably "their type".

If you have very over-the-top gorey black comedy humor like The Boys, you will attract mostly men. If you have cutesy humor like School Rumble, you'll attract more women than men. If you have sitcom-y humor like Family Guy, you'll probably get maybe 60/40 men/women.

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>>136761308
More or less this kind of style/proportions, with ASDF/Pop team epic style shorts. I do like animating fluids and such FBF hence the gore.


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>>136747249 (OP)
We won


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>>136747286
What everyone misunderstands about TOH being cancelled was that it wasn't cancelled simply because of gays, but primarily due to TOH being the most expensive show airing on Disney at the time while failing to garner enough viewers to justify a full third season. Making matters worse was the show being the last DVTA serialized show released during a time when new producers were moving away from it and back to episodic programming.

Specifically the show was originally intended to be far more darker and morbid ala Courage the Cowardly Dog, something Disney opposed (hence the unused backgrounds and rejected short along with the sharp contrast with the pilot pitch) as they were moving away from that sort of thing.

[Assistant]
>>136747526
>TOH being the most expensive show airing on Disney
amercan animation is a joke


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>>136747249 (OP)
Source: Dana's ass.

I'll believe Disney, the gayest company today, cancelled the owl house for being "too gay", when an actual executive comes out and says it. I won't believe Dana, who is so hell-bent against the company, and is renown for speaking out of her ass.

Her show bottomed in viewership in every single medium it was aired at. It's more likely the show was cancelled because the production team (Danna and the gang) were insufferable at the workplace while not pulling their weight.

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>>136747608
>Her show bottomed


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>>136747589
I imagine they also shifted uncomfortable when the crew behind Owl House tried to play up the fact its main character was "neurodivergent", as if that's something to be proud of.

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>>136747649
I hate this stupid YA-inspired word.
>You're hyperactive so that makes you this cool rebel.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Grown ass men screaming at a children's game is the new cartoon


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>>136747649
I hate this stupid YA-inspired word.
>You're hyperactive so that makes you this cool rebel.

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>>136763904
Divergent is that retarded series where people are born with one emotion/tendency, right?


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>>136747901
Whos my target audience /co/?
>only girls
>have superpowers, full gore/violence in action
>suits with skirts outfits
>comedy based, every girl is an idiot in some way
>no lesbians

[Assistant]
>>136758369
americans


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>>136747649
I hate this stupid YA-inspired word.
>You're hyperactive so that makes you this cool rebel.

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>>136763904
As someone with Asperger's, I watched this in Cinemas because I had nothing better to do, it was stupid.


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>>136747286
What everyone misunderstands about TOH being cancelled was that it wasn't cancelled simply because of gays, but primarily due to TOH being the most expensive show airing on Disney at the time while failing to garner enough viewers to justify a full third season. Making matters worse was the show being the last DVTA serialized show released during a time when new producers were moving away from it and back to episodic programming.

Specifically the show was originally intended to be far more darker and morbid ala Courage the Cowardly Dog, something Disney opposed (hence the unused backgrounds and rejected short along with the sharp contrast with the pilot pitch) as they were moving away from that sort of thing.

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>>136747526
Exactly it was because of faggot pandering nobody wanted to watch it


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>>136747901
Remember when all the girls went crazy for the fucking Once-ler because he looked kind of sleek and sexy? Or how they all went nuts for Riddler/Penguin shipping in Gotham?

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>>136749619
Support your local transwomen athletes. Name and shame TERFs wherever you see them. If your daughter cries because. a boy beat her up make her watch Buffy.


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>>136747249 (OP)
For as much shit it gets this at least was made with kids in mind instead of gay depressed teenagers, actually that's probably why it got a lot of hate.

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>>136753600
It got hate because it sucked and it was all CN ran for years at a time.


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>>136747526
Exactly it was because of faggot pandering nobody wanted to watch it

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>>136763984

For those not in the know, "faggot" in this context doesn't just mean "gay". It means "obnoxious fuck that you want to punch in the face", like zoophile furries.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Because they're not being made FOR kids. They're being made for liberal weirdos. Basically, the people working on the shows are making the shows for THEMSELVES and weirdos who think like them, none of them being kids.


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>>136747249 (OP)
>woke propaganda
>bad designs
>unoriginal stories
>same reused CalArts beanfaces
>LGBT propaganda
Even Gen Alpha is not impressed.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Kids have easier dopamine hits from youtube & video games.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Because they're not being made FOR kids. They're being made for liberal weirdos. Basically, the people working on the shows are making the shows for THEMSELVES and weirdos who think like them, none of them being kids.

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>>136764832
I hate soiboys & Tumblr dykes so much.


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>>136760607
>Anime
Dana made it clear she hated anime during her youth and I doubt much of her opinion towards the fans of that had changed, not to mention when she answered a question regarding Luz and anime she gave such shittaste answer that I doubt anyone really gave a try to what the names she mentioned.

Fuck! I even remember her saying "luz began watching this anime, but she decided it was too mature for her, so she didn't continue".

What kind of dreamworld does she believe a teenager will say "no man, this has too mature themes for me so I'll watch something else".

In that contrast, was she expecting teenagers to NOT say "woah,this boring piece of shit that is fag house has gays and lesbians, they/them, I'll watch My Hero Academia instead!"

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>>136762486
Typical grifter then because The Owl House is just trying too hard to be a knockoff anime with it's action.


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>>136760607
>Anime
Dana made it clear she hated anime during her youth and I doubt much of her opinion towards the fans of that had changed, not to mention when she answered a question regarding Luz and anime she gave such shittaste answer that I doubt anyone really gave a try to what the names she mentioned.

Fuck! I even remember her saying "luz began watching this anime, but she decided it was too mature for her, so she didn't continue".

What kind of dreamworld does she believe a teenager will say "no man, this has too mature themes for me so I'll watch something else".

In that contrast, was she expecting teenagers to NOT say "woah,this boring piece of shit that is fag house has gays and lesbians, they/them, I'll watch My Hero Academia instead!"

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>>136762486
The real problems is dykes control the American networks. The current problems in American animation do not exist in France, Japan, & Mexico because dykes not existent nor do they have the final say in how the shows are release. Women in the workplace are destroying the American industry.


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>>136760607
>Anime
Dana made it clear she hated anime during her youth and I doubt much of her opinion towards the fans of that had changed, not to mention when she answered a question regarding Luz and anime she gave such shittaste answer that I doubt anyone really gave a try to what the names she mentioned.

Fuck! I even remember her saying "luz began watching this anime, but she decided it was too mature for her, so she didn't continue".

What kind of dreamworld does she believe a teenager will say "no man, this has too mature themes for me so I'll watch something else".

In that contrast, was she expecting teenagers to NOT say "woah,this boring piece of shit that is fag house has gays and lesbians, they/them, I'll watch My Hero Academia instead!"

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>>136762486
>TOH creator watched Tenchi Muyo
>Ends up hating anime
I don't understand these woketards. How the hell do you go from enjoying anime to flat out hating it later on in your adulthood? I grew up watching the anime myself as kid & it's still one of my favorite Japanese series, & I'm a guy who's in his 30s.

Nevermind, it's because she's a retarded woman.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Source: Dana's ass.

I'll believe Disney, the gayest company today, cancelled the owl house for being "too gay", when an actual executive comes out and says it. I won't believe Dana, who is so hell-bent against the company, and is renown for speaking out of her ass.

Her show bottomed in viewership in every single medium it was aired at. It's more likely the show was cancelled because the production team (Danna and the gang) were insufferable at the workplace while not pulling their weight.

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>>136747608
No one wants to see lesbians make out unless they're hot. TOH characters are not hot. Simple as.


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>>136747649
The fact that Dana mentioned going out of her way to fight with Disney over how feminine Luz should be immediately pegged her as self destructive in my eyes. She's the same person behind the infamous middle finger to the Lego Friends sets tweet (Dana doesn't understand that Lego Friends actually saved Lego from bankruptcy or that girls LOVED it for being distinctly feminine, hence why girls didn't buy regular Lego for being for boys or too neutral).

Dana doesn't really understand that Luz being GNC made things worse: it pissed off Disney because they couldn't market her like Star or Mabel or Webby, and then proved Disney right!

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>>136747703
Hello woman moment.


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>>136747608
No one wants to see lesbians make out unless they're hot. TOH characters are not hot. Simple as.

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>>136765053

That, and the only people who'd enjoy it aee sappy romance fags and unironic pedos.


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>>136747249 (OP)
Because cartoons don't have as much rape as they should


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>>136747249 (OP)
I have an 11 year old niece.
She's more entertained by wacky jocks on youtube doing parkour.
The cartoons are appeal more to people like my 26 year old sister that works for a non-profit.

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>>136747320
>She's more entertained by wacky jocks on youtube doing parkour.
>wacky jocks doing parkour.

If only such a person were allowed to star in an action adventure cartoon


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>>136762486
The real problems is dykes control the American networks. The current problems in American animation do not exist in France, Japan, & Mexico because dykes not existent nor do they have the final say in how the shows are release. Women in the workplace are destroying the American industry.

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>>136764956
Dykes exist in those places but are still considered worthless of taken seriously for anything.

As a latino I've seen autistic feminazis trying to convince others that fag house is "the best show" but usually don't even have the guts to answer why the show sucks so much in it's story, the many plot holes it has and all that, they use and reuse the "you didn't watch the show, right?" Prompting the answer: Nigga, I did watch the show, and with a better understanding than you it seems, that's why I'm pointing at the bullshit it has!


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>>136762486
>TOH creator watched Tenchi Muyo
>Ends up hating anime
I don't understand these woketards. How the hell do you go from enjoying anime to flat out hating it later on in your adulthood? I grew up watching the anime myself as kid & it's still one of my favorite Japanese series, & I'm a guy who's in his 30s.

Nevermind, it's because she's a retarded woman.

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>>136765008
I don't remember if she mentioned Tenchi Muyo, I do remember her mentioning Hunter x Hunter but since I only read it like a couple of times I might be wrong! Thing is Dana sucks at everything she does, even designs are nothing but "wapanese" shit like she used to refer to in a degrading tone, saying Deviantart was plagued of those emulating (ripping off) Naruto or some other animes.


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>>136747735
Gender non conforming. Hence why Luz looks boring and why fans liked Amity more for... being feminine.

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>>136747793
Is that why on her 18s luz looks like some tranny?


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>>136747526
>What everyone misunderstands about TOH being cancelled was that it wasn't cancelled simply because of gays,
That has a lot to do with it. Kids don't want to watch a show about lesbians. If the show would've been just Disney's own version of Harry Potter where they have an Adventure and Handsome Boy of the Week, it would've resonated more with the girl audience it was going for. If you have a show aimed at girls, you absolutely need some part of it to be about fancy dresses or makeup and dreamy boys, even when 70% of the premise is magical fantasy land adventures with a GILF Dumbledore. Instead Dana was aiming for the ex-Tumblr/modern Twitter audience which might be loud on the internet but its also a very small percentage compared to actual kids.

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>>136747871
It echoes a lot to watch facebook groups related to cartoons and see the massive groups of latinos and latinas that share and loved edits of Luz making out with Marco Diaz, Edric and Hunter! Fuck it, even Amity being thrown in edits with two of those guys were praised, the same thing with they/them faggot being changed to have a male name, refered as him.

Which by the way had some trannies and faggots in latam to be the only ones reacting because they wanted to have a "dibujo animado" calling a character "elle".


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>>136747249 (OP)
today's cartoons aren't aimed at kids they are aimed at adult single women with the mental maturity of children


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>>136747249 (OP)
today's cartoons aren't aimed at kids they are aimed at adult single women with the mental maturity of children

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>>136765294
Steven Universe was the first cartoon to make me wonder who exactly it was being made for


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>>136764956
Dykes exist in those places but are still considered worthless of taken seriously for anything.

As a latino I've seen autistic feminazis trying to convince others that fag house is "the best show" but usually don't even have the guts to answer why the show sucks so much in it's story, the many plot holes it has and all that, they use and reuse the "you didn't watch the show, right?" Prompting the answer: Nigga, I did watch the show, and with a better understanding than you it seems, that's why I'm pointing at the bullshit it has!

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>>136765166
>Dykes exist in those places but are still considered worthless of taken seriously for anything.
And that's a good thing, considering the awful character designs & NO SEXY WOMEN ALLOWED POLICY they push once they are in any positions of power in the industry.


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>>136747649
The fact that Dana mentioned going out of her way to fight with Disney over how feminine Luz should be immediately pegged her as self destructive in my eyes. She's the same person behind the infamous middle finger to the Lego Friends sets tweet (Dana doesn't understand that Lego Friends actually saved Lego from bankruptcy or that girls LOVED it for being distinctly feminine, hence why girls didn't buy regular Lego for being for boys or too neutral).

Dana doesn't really understand that Luz being GNC made things worse: it pissed off Disney because they couldn't market her like Star or Mabel or Webby, and then proved Disney right!

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>>136747703
>Dana mentioned going out of her way to fight with Disney over how feminine Luz
Typical peeminist


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>>136765294
Steven Universe was the first cartoon to make me wonder who exactly it was being made for

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>>136765306
Ngl Steven Universe came out when I was a preteen who didn’t know anything about tumblr shit and I enjoyed it, basically it gave me a similar feeling as adventure time but for fans of magical girls/girly shows.


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>>136747649
The fact that Dana mentioned going out of her way to fight with Disney over how feminine Luz should be immediately pegged her as self destructive in my eyes. She's the same person behind the infamous middle finger to the Lego Friends sets tweet (Dana doesn't understand that Lego Friends actually saved Lego from bankruptcy or that girls LOVED it for being distinctly feminine, hence why girls didn't buy regular Lego for being for boys or too neutral).

Dana doesn't really understand that Luz being GNC made things worse: it pissed off Disney because they couldn't market her like Star or Mabel or Webby, and then proved Disney right!

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>>136747703
Honestly this makes me mad in a werid way.
Like watching someone do a retarded challenge on Tiktok and then suffer.
But I guess that's how capitalism works if you want to be retarded and cripple yourself then you get out.


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>>136747249 (OP)
cell phones tablets computers and anime, yes anime is popular but children don't understand it

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>>136750319
This, kids nowadays need you to explain them some shit, I hate to say that "us people born in the 80s were smarter" but holy fuck! I watched Rurouni Kenshin OVAs in my teenages and I had to rewatch like a dozen times to get everything, even then I didn't understand until years later when I managed to find some articles about the Shinsengumi, the time period and all that!

You would imagine that kids nowadays with so many hundreds of options could understand a lot faster, but they just don't care! They never care about anything, only watch and consume, even if the shit they are watching is the weirdest cringe possible.


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>>136765306
Ngl Steven Universe came out when I was a preteen who didn’t know anything about tumblr shit and I enjoyed it, basically it gave me a similar feeling as adventure time but for fans of magical girls/girly shows.

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>>136765374
NTA and same but only for the early seasons, later Steven universe became a fucking shore and eventually I stopped watching.
I think the writers god rid of everthing that used to attract male watchers and replaced it with their personal psicological hag ups.


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>>136747735
Gender non conforming. Hence why Luz looks boring and why fans liked Amity more for... being feminine.

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>>136747793
Gnc? Gender non confirming?! She more like tomboy if anything


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>>136750354
>It's situation is that it is a major DTVA production backed by Disney money and advertising
Actually Disney is trying to bury it by never promoting it or rerunning it ever since it got cancelled

>and is still getting beaten by online-only web shows.
But it's not, not only does TOH get more views total, it gets actual paid views, and then the free views (either pirated or YouTube) also beat or perform on par as the online-only web shows

>Helluva Boss's creator, Vivienne, has as much presence and as many followers as Dana Terrace. They both make shows about girls in hell. They both went to SVA. They both are in charge of show productions. Hazbin Hotel pilot dropped around 2019, TOH premiered in 2020.
Vivienne spent the last decade exclusively building her online presence through animated music videos and the like, Dana was storyboarding for DTVA while only passively engaging online and going on social media breaks all the time, and Vivzie can still only match her presence and followers, i.e. the popularity of a "failed" Disney show that was cancelled prematurely

>Dana has four times the amount of content as Vivienne because she is working with Disney budget and pipeline. And yet, Vivienne's products have been getting more attention over time through simple word-of-mouth and actually hitting her target audience while Dana has not.
Again not true, whenever TOH's insane online engagement (#1 on YouTube trending, frequent 300k+ tweets trending etc) gets brought up it gets "shut down" by saying online engagement doesn't matter, but Vivzie's worse numbers are now supposedly indicative of her superior success

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>>136750547
>Actually Disney is trying to bury it by never promoting it or rerunning it ever since it got cancelled
As it should, shit that flopped right at the start and was just a blant excuse to force lgbt should be banned and people like Dana shot in the face in public execution.


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>>136765294
Steven Universe was the first cartoon to make me wonder who exactly it was being made for

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>>136765306
>Steven Universe was the first cartoon to make me wonder who exactly it was being made for
For left-leaning & normal boys and girls
No, alt-right arent main audiences


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>>136748808
>underage lesbians
Leslolis.

Just a lil Van Goghing, or should I say Pun Goghin? He he he

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>>136762317
Why poor Van Gogh ignored?


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>>136747793
Gnc? Gender non confirming?! She more like tomboy if anything

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>>136765425
Man, no other word has been more abused in the English language than "tomboy."
The word you're looking for is butch, she looks butch.
A tomboy doesn't need to look a certain way to be a tomboy, just have certain interests.


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>>136747793
Gnc? Gender non confirming?! She more like tomboy if anything

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>>136765425
Oh poor anon Tomboys don't exist anymore they are too attractive.


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>>136749614
>they would rather watch anime
Kids these days watch YouTube and Tiktok, not gooktoons.

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>>136749699
is that the actual quality of that anime


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>>136747249 (OP)
The problem is that this show is too adult for kiddies and too infantile for adults or even teens.
It's stuck in a limbo.
And the womanchild writers used it as terapy to their gay trauma.

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>>136763002
Yeah they did, the whole "adult white male, wrong/enemy" shit felt so disgusting.


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>>136747793
Gnc? Gender non confirming?! She more like tomboy if anything

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>>136765425

Tomboy but less fun, and as in Luz's case, her "neurodivergence" is supposed to be her "selling point", and I have a feeling this is why Disney didn't want to market her.


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>>136765425

Tomboy but less fun, and as in Luz's case, her "neurodivergence" is supposed to be her "selling point", and I have a feeling this is why Disney didn't want to market her.

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>>136765529
Was she autistic or something?


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>>136749699
is that the actual quality of that anime

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>>136765503
Yep.
Kind of retarded too because the selling poit of the manga is the cool fights abd that slide show ruins them


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>>136765499
No, because /a/ hate it because western (cyberpunk edgerunner is a exception).
And /co/ hate it because Anime-influenced Western animation


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>>136747286
What everyone misunderstands about TOH being cancelled was that it wasn't cancelled simply because of gays, but primarily due to TOH being the most expensive show airing on Disney at the time while failing to garner enough viewers to justify a full third season. Making matters worse was the show being the last DVTA serialized show released during a time when new producers were moving away from it and back to episodic programming.

Specifically the show was originally intended to be far more darker and morbid ala Courage the Cowardly Dog, something Disney opposed (hence the unused backgrounds and rejected short along with the sharp contrast with the pilot pitch) as they were moving away from that sort of thing.

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>>136747526
you give actual reasons but people will stick to "NO IT'S CAUSE OF DA GAYS" and die on that hill because at this point it's a conditioned response, which is probably what a lot of "woke" media has been trying to do for a while now


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>>136765306
>Steven Universe was the first cartoon to make me wonder who exactly it was being made for
For left-leaning & normal boys and girls
No, alt-right arent main audiences

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>>136765459
Nah, the only kids around that time I ever knew who watched SU were white kids and gay Hispanics, and those two groups are far from normal.
Normal boys watch anime, and normal girls watch live action dramas.


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>>136765306
>Steven Universe was the first cartoon to make me wonder who exactly it was being made for
For left-leaning & normal boys and girls
No, alt-right arent main audiences

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>>136765459
Go back to bunkerchan, incel


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>>136760607
>Anime
Dana made it clear she hated anime during her youth and I doubt much of her opinion towards the fans of that had changed, not to mention when she answered a question regarding Luz and anime she gave such shittaste answer that I doubt anyone really gave a try to what the names she mentioned.

Fuck! I even remember her saying "luz began watching this anime, but she decided it was too mature for her, so she didn't continue".

What kind of dreamworld does she believe a teenager will say "no man, this has too mature themes for me so I'll watch something else".

In that contrast, was she expecting teenagers to NOT say "woah,this boring piece of shit that is fag house has gays and lesbians, they/them, I'll watch My Hero Academia instead!"

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>>136762486
>Dana made it clear she hated anime during her youth
*fake anime


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>>136749699
>not gooktoons
Explain the influx of teen zoomers on twitter that talk non-stop about anime then

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>>136753165
Twitter is not a good way to gauge popularity. If it was, Spider-Verse should've made a billion dollars, but it didn't. It just did okay. That's trash for a Spider-Man film.


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>>136747526
you give actual reasons but people will stick to "NO IT'S CAUSE OF DA GAYS" and die on that hill because at this point it's a conditioned response, which is probably what a lot of "woke" media has been trying to do for a while now

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>>136765578
The idea that Disney, a company that loves touting its First Gay [Blank]™ every six months and attacked the apex Florida Man over a piece of legislation that didn't affect Disney at all just because they felt the need to protect the gays would cancel something for being "too gay" is laughable

I don't care how "in the background" their gay characters are. They do that to placate overseas audiences, not the American right wing


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>>136753600
It got hate because it sucked and it was all CN ran for years at a time.

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>>136764099
>it was all CN ran for years at a time.
Because it was popular with kids. It was CN's Spongebob.


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>>136765578
The idea that Disney, a company that loves touting its First Gay [Blank]™ every six months and attacked the apex Florida Man over a piece of legislation that didn't affect Disney at all just because they felt the need to protect the gays would cancel something for being "too gay" is laughable

I don't care how "in the background" their gay characters are. They do that to placate overseas audiences, not the American right wing

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>>136765639

It sounds more and more that Disney cancelled it because Dana hasn't been exactly, "pleasant" to work with and her work isn't as popular as her fans make it out to be.


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>>136762486
The real problems is dykes control the American networks. The current problems in American animation do not exist in France, Japan, & Mexico because dykes not existent nor do they have the final say in how the shows are release. Women in the workplace are destroying the American industry.

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>>136764956
>The real problems is dykes control the American networks. The current problems in American animation do not exist in France, Japan, & Mexico because dykes not existent nor do they have the final say in how the shows are release. Women in the workplace are destroying the American industry.


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>>136765639

It sounds more and more that Disney cancelled it because Dana hasn't been exactly, "pleasant" to work with and her work isn't as popular as her fans make it out to be.

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>>136765695
I don't like bootlicking, but I can't imagine why these people can't be more grateful for the opportunity they're given and be more willing to play ball with the people putting up all the money

I get it, compromising your vision sucks, but if you wanted a pure artistic expression you got in the wrong business


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>>136765459
Nah, the only kids around that time I ever knew who watched SU were white kids and gay Hispanics, and those two groups are far from normal.
Normal boys watch anime, and normal girls watch live action dramas.

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>>136765587
>Korean dramas

Your welcome, and yeah I decided to go to some local anime-con a couple of months ago and I almost threw up, leaving the place disgusted over the amount of kpop fans who pretty much ruined that kind of events, even the people that participated there were so displeased with it, but couldn't do much since those groups would pay well to keep their stands and sell products related to faggots with non-korean faces.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

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>>136765639

It sounds more and more that Disney cancelled it because Dana hasn't been exactly, "pleasant" to work with and her work isn't as popular as her fans make it out to be.

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>>136765695
If she really wasn't "pleasant" to work with, we should be hearing more people speaking out just like in the case of the Gravity Falls guy instead of just speculation from people who aren't even involved.


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>>136762486
>Dana made it clear she hated anime during her youth
*fake anime

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>>136765613
Can some anon share some screenshot of her complaining about animes?

Given her record I'm convinced she said nasty shit against it at some point of her life, or surely uploaded her own hand giving the finger to some popular anime just to feel she is special.


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>>136765587
>Korean dramas

Your welcome, and yeah I decided to go to some local anime-con a couple of months ago and I almost threw up, leaving the place disgusted over the amount of kpop fans who pretty much ruined that kind of events, even the people that participated there were so displeased with it, but couldn't do much since those groups would pay well to keep their stands and sell products related to faggots with non-korean faces.

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>>136765735
Oh yea, girls watch lots of Korean dramas since it's the only place you can find sexy prettyboys in live action who aren't homosexuals, since America decided that any and all somewhat men who are mildly feminine must be gay.
American media is just really gay nowadays.