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>>136985052
nixon LOST the vietnam war, because he was a shit-eating rat.

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>>136985444
America lost the Vietnam war and the wars in the Middle East because they won't slaughter their enemies wholesale like the peoples in Europe and Asia used to do. "Civilians" are enemies. They provide the hostile fighting forces with men, shelter, intel and supplies.


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>>136989139
>>136989165
>Goldwater looses bigly
>so much so he needs to blame his successors success on racism
Yeah let's ignore the hard evidence of voting paterns and party actions and just listen to a sore loser.

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>>136989197
>Yeah let's ignore voting patterns and party actions
Unironically no u


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>>136980360
What are you talking about? Go to pretty much any country other than Russia, and people have a pretty negative opinion about Trump, especially when compared to Obama and now Biden. Whether or not you feel that this dislike of him was justified is another story, but you can't deny that most of the world doesn't like him.

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>>136980653
What are *you* talking about. America is widely reviled for it's world policing. When Trump said he is opposed to it as well, even the literal communist party voters started not hating him as much as any other american president in post-WWII history. It's wishful thinking that non-american people regard Trump negatively.


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>>136980653
What are *you* talking about. America is widely reviled for it's world policing. When Trump said he is opposed to it as well, even the literal communist party voters started not hating him as much as any other american president in post-WWII history. It's wishful thinking that non-american people regard Trump negatively.

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>>136989258
>It's wishful thinking that non-american people regard Trump negatively.
>The southern strategy never existed
There are people who genuinely believe these things
And they get to vote


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>>136989258
>It's wishful thinking that non-american people regard Trump negatively.
>The southern strategy never existed
There are people who genuinely believe these things
And they get to vote

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>>136989300
Tf has the southern strategy to do with what I said?


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>>136989197
>Yeah let's ignore voting patterns and party actions
Unironically no u

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>>136989255
>Quote literally has nothing to do with anything regarding the southern strategy
Thanks for the completely pointless quote anon. We gonna pretend LBJ wasn't an ardent racist as well?


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>>136985444
America lost the Vietnam war and the wars in the Middle East because they won't slaughter their enemies wholesale like the peoples in Europe and Asia used to do. "Civilians" are enemies. They provide the hostile fighting forces with men, shelter, intel and supplies.

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>>136989204
What are you fucking talking about. Civilians were routinely getting slaughtered in all of those conflicts. The late 2000s were a near-endless PR nightmare of atrocities for the US armed forces. What more did you want? Nuclear strikes?
>like the peoples in Europe and Asia used to do.
Yeah that's why the Hundred Years War actually lasted a single decade.


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
A better question is why always Nixon? Make no mistake the man was scum BUT Ronald "lying fuckwit" Reagan demonstrably did more long-term damage to this country than Nixon ever dreamed of doing.


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>>136978802 (OP)
A better question is why always Nixon? Make no mistake the man was scum BUT Ronald "lying fuckwit" Reagan demonstrably did more long-term damage to this country than Nixon ever dreamed of doing.

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>>136989390
>Reagan demonstrably did more long-term damage to this country
Read through the thread faggot. That retarded thought process has been discussed to death and proven wrong already. Now come up with something other than "trickle down" economics to blame everything on


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>>136979507
>>136979235
>>136979538
>>136979883

People keep thinking there's this big conspiracy about presidents getting ridiculed or not when in reality is super simple.

Some are just easier to write for.

Yes JFK was a terrible president, but most if not all of his actions were just general evil; Boring, nothing to really drive humor from. Nixon meanwhile looked like a goddamn cartoon and him getting round out felt way more cartoonishly evil so it made a good scapegoat.

It's the same thing with Trump, presidents who act so over the top that writing about them is just way easier than Biden or Obama who besides terrible presidencies, they are as funny as cold outmeal.

JFK may have been terrible, but he had a good PR. So his chipper sax loving attitude was up front and made it so the only people that'd understand a more specific joke about JFK's actual run as presidency would need to be up to date on politics.

It's why once the affairs went to light, it was all just about that. Cause that's the stuff the general audiences latched on fast.

TL;DR, a comedy writer if they have to choose between writing about a president's term where they have to count of their audience to read a Wikipedia article or write about how another president where he basically is some goofy silly man that people can understand easy, they'll chose the latter

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>>136981941
Obama really was the most boring president to try and incorporate into comedy. Asides from his ears and occasional "umming" there wasn't enough to build a proper caricature on.

S Tier Presidents for Character Comedy
>Nixon
>Teddy Roosevelt
>Trump

A Tier
>Dubya
>Clinton
>Reagan
>JFK

B Tier
>HW Bush
>Biden
>Carter

Shit Tier
>Obama
>Ford (le clumsy man is so overdone)

Al Gore and Bob Dole can go in A tier as honorable mentions


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>>136988814
>Nixon is unironically the best fucking president ever. He solved literally all our issues 50 years ago
NTA but removing the Gold Standard and opening up China fucked us over way too much to call him a good president.

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>>136988848
I agree but those are both things which the mainstream general calls "good things".

The removing the gold standard thing was more circumstantial as France and other countries were knocking on New York harbour's door with warships asking for their gold back. It was basically a bank run so there was nothing to could be done except change the rules.
>>136988873
In regards to China, all Nixon did was open up relations. By itself that doesn't say anything about trade, all it means is we have an embassy which can be used later on to do trade negotiations. Hell when Nixon went to China they were still under Mao so there was zero reason to think they would use this as some opportunity to become uber capitalists and steal American industry. Where outsourcing began was with China's admission into the World Trade Organization which happened under Clinton (although it didn't take effect until Bush in 2001 but he did confirm it despite the negotiations occurring under Clinton)


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>>136988814
Outsourcing jobs to china is based, as we know

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>>136988848
I agree but those are both things which the mainstream general calls "good things".

The removing the gold standard thing was more circumstantial as France and other countries were knocking on New York harbour's door with warships asking for their gold back. It was basically a bank run so there was nothing to could be done except change the rules.
>>136988873
In regards to China, all Nixon did was open up relations. By itself that doesn't say anything about trade, all it means is we have an embassy which can be used later on to do trade negotiations. Hell when Nixon went to China they were still under Mao so there was zero reason to think they would use this as some opportunity to become uber capitalists and steal American industry. Where outsourcing began was with China's admission into the World Trade Organization which happened under Clinton (although it didn't take effect until Bush in 2001 but he did confirm it despite the negotiations occurring under Clinton)


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>>136989390
>Reagan demonstrably did more long-term damage to this country
Read through the thread faggot. That retarded thought process has been discussed to death and proven wrong already. Now come up with something other than "trickle down" economics to blame everything on

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>>136989419
>unka ronnie dindu nuffin wrong
>trickle down gon' werk any day nao
Fucking idiot.


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>>136989419
>unka ronnie dindu nuffin wrong
>trickle down gon' werk any day nao
Fucking idiot.

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>>136989541
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>>136981510
People will tell you that they literally don't give a shit what someone else's tax rate is so long as they personally have to pay less taxes. You are ignoring the fact that every single time taxes are cut on the rich that they are also cut for the middle and lower classes that do pays income taxes. Yes because the rich were already paying more taxes cutting taxes for everyone cuts taxes for the rich by more but people don't care so long as they personally are also paying less taxes.

Trumps tax cuts cut taxes by 3% for earnings between $9.5k and $82.5K, 4% for earnings between $82.5k and $157.5k, and 1% for earnings between $157.5k and $200k, and 0% between $200k to $500k, and 2.6% for earnings above 500k.

You can say AHA! People earning between 200k and 500k got no tax cut but people earning above 500k got almost as much of a tax cut as the poor. Which is okay fine, people who are "rich" got zero tax cut while the "super rich" got a tax cut, but the super rich generally don't pay "income taxes" as the super rich make their money off investments and so their actual tax rate is generally the Capital Gains tax. The Capital Gains tax was unchanged by the law.

People will complain about CEO PAY! but CEO pay is actually good from a taxing perspective because multi-million dollar salaries are taxable where paying a CEO in stock appreciation isn't as taxable. The theory is that if the tax rate on ultra-high salaries is low, then companies will be more likely to pay a CEO a high salary instead of pulling tricks to avoid paying those ultra-high salaries to avoid taxes. In some ways ultra-high CEO pay is a success of the taxing system as you can get more taxes from 1/3 of a 5 million dollar salary than you can from 2/3 of a 1 million salary. That 1 million pay CEO is however probably getting compensated in other non-taxable ways.

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>>136989541
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>>136986896
>the rich and corporations benefit astronomically from tax cuts
I said as much when I said that since they pay the most taxes any tax cut is going to disporportionately benefit them. If you cut taxes the people who pay the most taxes are going to benefit the most.
>already have resources to avoid paying taxes, which they regularly do
I said they already avoid taxes. I also said that dramatically increased CEO salaries is a sign that they are avoid taxes less than they used to, as posted salaries are taxable income but other forms of compensation for tax avoidance is not a posted salary.
>their tax cuts practically always stay permanent while low and middle class tax cuts don’t.
You are just making stuff up here. Both the Bush Tax cuts and the Trump tax cuts have not disapeared for the lower and middle classes. What did happen is that Obama introduced an entirely new tax bracket on the upper end which was 39.6% vs the 35% previous highest bracket (which remained unchanged). What Trump's tax plan did was keep that new tax bracket but change it to 37%. Given that the previous tax bracket below 35% was either 33% of 32% a step up of 2% or 3% is more inline with a smoother tax curve. These changes are too small to get worked up on either end. For instance Obama's new tax bracket was not collecting all that much revenue in comparison to what came before because at the level we are debating there are very few people who actually get salaries at that level. This entire argument is basically asking if the tiny amount of super rich should be paying 4.6% more than the rich (on the portion of their income which is actually taxable income, so not capital gains) or if they should if the super rich should be paying 2% more than the super rich. This is not something to is worth designing your political ideology around regardless of what you think about this, particularly because it entirely revolves around the distinction between the rich and the super rich.

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>>136989541
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>>136987041
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>>136987061
This is a different argument entirely. It isn't based on policy making. You cannot say a policy of tax cuts that cut taxes for everyone are bad merely because rich people exist and rich people are included in everyone if your gripe with rich people is that they exist in the first place. Taxing the rich will in no way abolish the rich.

Let's say we "abolish the rich", now the only tax cuts that can happen are lower and middle tax cuts. What you have effectively done is implement a salary cap. This is actually bad for tax revenue collection because you are limiting the scope of tax collection. If you cannot earn above x amount then you cannot tax above x amount. Of course taxes aren't the end of all things, but if it is illegal to earn more than x and you have admitted that the rich avoid taxes, the rich are just going to SOLELY do the things they do to avoid taxes. Thus the point of having it legal to earn hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year is so that the government can collect a third of that instead of making it illegal to be paid that much and collecting none of it.

Income is not the means by which the rich get richer. You are not taxing Jeff Bezos through income taxes. Jeff Bezos earns money off OWNING things (amazon stock) which appreciates in value. When he sells his stock he pays something called a capital gains tax off the difference between the price he paid for the stock and the price he sold it for. Houses, companies, boats, cars, art, farms, etc all work the same way where you pay a capital gains tax on the difference between the price you bought and the price you sold. That is how the super rich make their money. Capital gains tax is generally 15-20% which is around the same rate as the lower and middle end income taxes. That is the real crime here. If a person is not talking about raising the capital gains tax they are fooling you and are not serious about actually raising taxes on the rich so they "pay their fair share".

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>>136989541
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>>136981510
The great irony to that "trickle down" term is that it better describes the Democrat platform than Reagan's supply side economic plan.

Seriously which tax plan sounds more like a "trickle down" plan?
>We're going to let you keep more of your income by taxing you less
Or
>We're going to take more of your income so that we as the government can pay people to decide how to spend it, then spend it on programs that may or may not even benefit you, and then pay people to run those programs that may or may not benefit you, so by the point you actually recieve any benefit from those programs we'll have already spent most the money paying ourselves. But hey at least you got something out of it right?

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>>136989541
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>>136988134
I do, and I'm explaining why referring to it as such is fucking retarded.
No one thought they're employer was gonna pay them more, they just heard they'd keep more of their income to do with what they want. But you wanna learn a great irony no leftist economist will tell you? Under Reagan's tax plan the US tax revenue actually increased as a result of people spending more money to reinvigorate the economy. So even the tax revenue assholes can't argue against supply side economics.

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>>136989541
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>>136988134
There is no trickle down theory. That is just what opponents called it.

Ironically the closest statement that would ever come close to making an argument that the wealth would trickle down was when Kenedy said "A rising tide will lift all boats" in response to criticism to his tax plan that went from 91% down to 65% without any corresponding spending cuts. Kennedy essentially argued that he didn't need to accompany his tax cuts with spending cuts because the economy would grow enough to compensate for them because tax cuts would boost the economy.

The laffer curve is the closest thing to "trickle down theory" where it is believed that tax cuts can actually boost revenue if the tax rates are high economy, as it is believed that there is an optimal tax rate for collecting revenue and that optimal rate in some cases might be lower than the actual rate. For Kennedy the Laffer curve was likely true as 91% taxes basically causes tax avoidance as everyone desperately tries to avoid ever having to pay those taxes. Essentially they offer stuff like health insurance, executive vehicles or housing, company trips, etc to compensate instead of outright pay which is taxable. However Kenedy did not make a laffer curve economic, he literally invented the concept of EVERYONE benefiting from a "rising tide" which was never something proponents of the laffer curve ever claimed as a main selling point of their theory even if it might have been a side effect. Boosting the economy has never been something proponents of laffer curve theory said before than as they had always been focused solely on revenue collection reasoning.

So not only has no Republican ever argued for "trickle down economics" and that is purely a Democrat strawman, the actually positive arguments for something which could approach what trickle down economic might be was invented by a Democrat.

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>>136989541
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>>136989255
>Quote literally has nothing to do with anything regarding the southern strategy
Thanks for the completely pointless quote anon. We gonna pretend LBJ wasn't an ardent racist as well?

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>>136989358
>I am completely ignorant of who Lee Atwater is and am going to pretend the southern strategy wasn't about hurting black people for votes
Fascinating
Maybe learn literally anything about the administrations you're talking about before making such sweeping claims you dumb cunt


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>>136989088
>Actually arguing the southern strategy doesn't exist
>When Goldwater was completely open and candid about it
>When Lee Atwater's famous quote exists
You've fallen for propaganda you ignorant fuck

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>>136989139
Nixon's strategist Kevin Philips said that the southern strategy consisted of doing absolutely nothing to stop enforcement of the voting rights act as he stated that once of the african-americans had registered democrat they would naturally repelled the "negrophobic" whites into the Republican party.
>From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
So if you count "not weakening enforcement of the voting rights act" to be a racist strategy then I guess Nixon had a racist strategy to win the South. What happened was they counting the number of black people in the south and realized they were actually irrelevant to winning the south and the bigger issue was southern democrats. They concluded that the southern democrats having to share a party with african-americans would lose them more white voters than they would gain in black voters, so they should not attempt to let the southern democrats block the voting rights act to stop blacks from voting, because blacks voting democrat meant the republicans would get by far more white votes.

Lee Atwater was discussing an apparent 1968 plan to oppose the voting rights act but the Kevin Philips quote that originated the concept of a southern strategy directly contradicts that.

Not to mention that Nixon said he had a 50 State strategy which is good because you shouldn't ignore states just because you think they are irretrievably in the other camp. Republicans used to not even campaign in the South because of how solidly Democrat it was.


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>>136989541
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>>136989583
I'm not reading your blog, especially when at a glance you claim dumb shit like "there was no such thing as trickle down economics"
You either know nothing of US history or civics or are so disingenuous that you're purposely ignoring every last bit of horse-and-sparrow supply-side economics


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>>136989139
Nixon's strategist Kevin Philips said that the southern strategy consisted of doing absolutely nothing to stop enforcement of the voting rights act as he stated that once of the african-americans had registered democrat they would naturally repelled the "negrophobic" whites into the Republican party.
>From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
So if you count "not weakening enforcement of the voting rights act" to be a racist strategy then I guess Nixon had a racist strategy to win the South. What happened was they counting the number of black people in the south and realized they were actually irrelevant to winning the south and the bigger issue was southern democrats. They concluded that the southern democrats having to share a party with african-americans would lose them more white voters than they would gain in black voters, so they should not attempt to let the southern democrats block the voting rights act to stop blacks from voting, because blacks voting democrat meant the republicans would get by far more white votes.

Lee Atwater was discussing an apparent 1968 plan to oppose the voting rights act but the Kevin Philips quote that originated the concept of a southern strategy directly contradicts that.

Not to mention that Nixon said he had a 50 State strategy which is good because you shouldn't ignore states just because you think they are irretrievably in the other camp. Republicans used to not even campaign in the South because of how solidly Democrat it was.

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>>136989645
Too long; didn't read
I took actual American History classes, anon. I'm not interested in you /pol/ tier understanding.
That said I'd wager you undermined your own point in that post


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>>136989583
I'm not reading your blog, especially when at a glance you claim dumb shit like "there was no such thing as trickle down economics"
You either know nothing of US history or civics or are so disingenuous that you're purposely ignoring every last bit of horse-and-sparrow supply-side economics

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>>136989655
>I'm a fucking idiot that believes that letting people keep their income has anything to do with a "Trickle Down" concept
Look I get you're too retarded to read but just try explaining how you keeping money you already earned has anything to do with wealth trickling down to you.


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>>136989645
Too long; didn't read
I took actual American History classes, anon. I'm not interested in you /pol/ tier understanding.
That said I'd wager you undermined your own point in that post

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>>136989692
>I took actual American History classes, anon.
Unlikely


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>>136989655
>I'm a fucking idiot that believes that letting people keep their income has anything to do with a "Trickle Down" concept
Look I get you're too retarded to read but just try explaining how you keeping money you already earned has anything to do with wealth trickling down to you.

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>>136989700
>Doubling down on "trickle-down" not being the same as "supply-side"
>Doubling down on it being only about income taxes
lol
Read a book


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>>136989088
>Actually arguing the southern strategy doesn't exist
>When Goldwater was completely open and candid about it
>When Lee Atwater's famous quote exists
You've fallen for propaganda you ignorant fuck

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>>136989139
How is looking at a map and seeing that excluding the clear landslides under Reagan and Nixon, the south voted once for Goldwater, once for Carter, and then were split evenly across different states twice for Clinton. How the fuck are the Republicans running a "southern strategy" if they are winning literally every single state except for Minnesota and DC? The south was just as likely to vote Democrat as Republican when it wasn't a landslide up until the year 2000.

What happened that flipped the south Republican? Well on a local level the solid south remained solidly Democrat until 1994 Newt Gringrich's "Contract with America". That is over 30 fucking years from anything to do with civil rights. The contract was basically standard issue "muh government waste" republican fair. One thing I think that should be brought back was the first line issue "Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress"


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>>136989700
>Doubling down on "trickle-down" not being the same as "supply-side"
>Doubling down on it being only about income taxes
lol
Read a book

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>>136989726
>lol read a book
I get the feeling you've never read a book seeing as you are unable to cite any of your claims whatsoever, let alone defend them. Just saying "I'm right" doesn't magically make you so.


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I dunno probably has to do with ruining the third world to stop le communism

There's also that stealing campaign secrets thing but cheating in elections is an Amerimutt tradition so who cares

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>>136978877
We were doing that way before Nixon faggot look at Allan Dulles


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>>136989139
How is looking at a map and seeing that excluding the clear landslides under Reagan and Nixon, the south voted once for Goldwater, once for Carter, and then were split evenly across different states twice for Clinton. How the fuck are the Republicans running a "southern strategy" if they are winning literally every single state except for Minnesota and DC? The south was just as likely to vote Democrat as Republican when it wasn't a landslide up until the year 2000.

What happened that flipped the south Republican? Well on a local level the solid south remained solidly Democrat until 1994 Newt Gringrich's "Contract with America". That is over 30 fucking years from anything to do with civil rights. The contract was basically standard issue "muh government waste" republican fair. One thing I think that should be brought back was the first line issue "Require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress"

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>>136989762
>Civil rights were done in 1994
Hahaha holy shit
You're seriously one of those "racism is over" retards
Keep writing retarded essays for me to ignore
>>136989766
You don't even know what supply-side economics entails while arguing it's not a real policy. You're even more retarded than the stormfag.


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>>136989726
>lol read a book
I get the feeling you've never read a book seeing as you are unable to cite any of your claims whatsoever, let alone defend them. Just saying "I'm right" doesn't magically make you so.

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>>136989762
>Civil rights were done in 1994
Hahaha holy shit
You're seriously one of those "racism is over" retards
Keep writing retarded essays for me to ignore
>>136989766
You don't even know what supply-side economics entails while arguing it's not a real policy. You're even more retarded than the stormfag.


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>>136989358
>I am completely ignorant of who Lee Atwater is and am going to pretend the southern strategy wasn't about hurting black people for votes
Fascinating
Maybe learn literally anything about the administrations you're talking about before making such sweeping claims you dumb cunt

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>>136989612
Was Lee Atwater around for the Nixon Administration, or is he just some literal who only important for Reagan who just made claims about things he wasn't even involved with?


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>>136989762
>Civil rights were done in 1994
Hahaha holy shit
You're seriously one of those "racism is over" retards
Keep writing retarded essays for me to ignore
>>136989766
You don't even know what supply-side economics entails while arguing it's not a real policy. You're even more retarded than the stormfag.

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>>136989825
>deflection


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>>136989612
Was Lee Atwater around for the Nixon Administration, or is he just some literal who only important for Reagan who just made claims about things he wasn't even involved with?

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>>136989877
Good question, why don't you read a book and find out?


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>>136981612
The really issue is that you can say, "Why'd Nixon get in so many cartoons?"

And then when anon tells you why, you bail into another argument about how all these other people did things and they're not in cartoons as often. But here's my thoughts.

Nixon - grumpy, ugly, mean. Known criminal, but he stubbornly denied it anyway. The further we get from his presidency almost the funnier it is to make fun of him.

Raegan - too charismatic. "Trickle down" relied on technical flimflam to avoid being seriously examined, so it's hard to joke about, especially in a kid's show.

Clinton - got picked on while he was president, but a sex scandal isn't that funny honestly. Also his wife was Hillary, so writers never know which party is supposed to be sympathetic. The harm he did was also very technical and takes practically a novel to explain.

Bush W - stupid, but very well-meaning. Got fucking reamed during his time in office, but once he was out of power it was like picking on a disabled child. It just didn't last.

Obama - dry, vanilla, uneventful. His landmark legislation was a healthcare package protecting the status quo. He didn't really do anything funny.

Trump - selfish, basically Nero Ceasar. Not funny, because there's basically zero light present in the Trump administration. It's also why many jokes about him weren't funny. Trump never tried to help anybody, and he didn't care about people, so most observations you can make about him don't have any natural juxtaposition.

Biden - famously old. Defeated by blue dogs again. Doesn't really do anything. Not very funny.

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>>136981778
>dry, vanilla, uneventful
The drone bombing of civilians in a dozen different countries is plenty eventful but is both buried by media and sad more than funny.


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>>136978802 (OP)
Like Regan he is hated for all the Wrong reasons.

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>>136979164
There's a wrong reason to hate Reagan?


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>>136978877
I don't see anybody portraying Clinton as a crazed warmonger despite flattening Yugoslavia for three straight months.

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>>136979235
Internet wasn't far spread enough to make people care. Anything else that might stick got covered by dick sucking

And people only gave a fuck about nam because it was drafting Americans into a meat grinder and starting to reach middle class whites. After that boomers felt guilty


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>>136979164
There's a wrong reason to hate Reagan?

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>>136989953
Right Reasons to Hate Reagan
>Iran Contra
>Expansion of Military Spending
>Increase in hostilities towards Soviet Union after decades of cooling relationship
>Proceeding with his second term as his mental health went to the wayside.
>Making deals with Iran prior to his election
Wrong Reason
>Muh Trickle Down Economics
>Increasing Tax Revenue by utilizing Supply Side Economics


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>>136979243
It's funny though because people like JFK look like slimeball politicians too yet nobody ever takes the piss out of him.

Literally was a mob puppet.

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>>136979507
Because people believe what they want. See those that believe is hard worker who came from nothing and understands the command guy


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>>136989877
Good question, why don't you read a book and find out?

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>>136989908
It was a rhetorical question because I knew the answer and I was telling it to you. Lee Atwater was a Regan strategist, not a Nixon strategist. He only rose to prominence in the 70s when Gerald Ford would have already taken over. Atwater was literally just making up bullshit that was not based on actually having been in Nixon campaign. Rather Atwater stated "we don't need to do what they did in 1968 anymore for x, y, and z reasons, but he wasn't working for the 1968 campaign in the first place, that isn't a confirmation that 1968 campaign used that strategy, all Atwater said was that they didn't need to do that anymore, but if you listen to Nixon's actual strategist he also says they don't need to do anything to have a southern strategy as the enforcement of the voting rights act was actually good for the republicans as blacks voting democrat would naturally cause white people to vote republican instead of being "southern democrats". Nixon's campaign clearly saw the defeat of southern democrats via southern blacks registering democrat to be the more pressing issue so they advocated zero interference in that process.


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>>136979657
Quimby's more of a dig at politicians in general - subtract the voice and there wouldn't even be a hint of Johnny F. K.
Honestly I'd be willing to believe that Hollywood gets a lot of funding from the Democrats to ensure that their guys are portrayed favourably and that their opponents get made fun of.

[Assistant]
>>136979693
This has long been the case since the communism hunts and censorship laws have chased down hw


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>>136989908
It was a rhetorical question because I knew the answer and I was telling it to you. Lee Atwater was a Regan strategist, not a Nixon strategist. He only rose to prominence in the 70s when Gerald Ford would have already taken over. Atwater was literally just making up bullshit that was not based on actually having been in Nixon campaign. Rather Atwater stated "we don't need to do what they did in 1968 anymore for x, y, and z reasons, but he wasn't working for the 1968 campaign in the first place, that isn't a confirmation that 1968 campaign used that strategy, all Atwater said was that they didn't need to do that anymore, but if you listen to Nixon's actual strategist he also says they don't need to do anything to have a southern strategy as the enforcement of the voting rights act was actually good for the republicans as blacks voting democrat would naturally cause white people to vote republican instead of being "southern democrats". Nixon's campaign clearly saw the defeat of southern democrats via southern blacks registering democrat to be the more pressing issue so they advocated zero interference in that process.

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>>136990022
nta but just wanted to thank you for your posts. They've been extremely informative, explanatory, and you've remained professional with each response despite getting nothing but attacks for your responses. Your a right legend.


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>>136989762
>Civil rights were done in 1994
Hahaha holy shit
You're seriously one of those "racism is over" retards
Keep writing retarded essays for me to ignore
>>136989766
You don't even know what supply-side economics entails while arguing it's not a real policy. You're even more retarded than the stormfag.

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>>136989825
You are dumbass who is not paying attention to the point. The idea is that LBJ said that the civil rights act "lost [the democrats] the south for a century" or whatever it is he said. However it took 30 YEARS before the Democrats actually lost the South. What happened was that the South became a swing region that either followed nationwide landslides, or it was split. Between the 60s and the 90s the south was in flux but it wasn't like it immediately flipped. The point is that it took a generation for the Democrats to actually "lose the south" do to the civil rights act. At that point are they really that connected, or were there a million other things going on in the country which changed things in those 30 years?


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>>136978892
Man, Nixon is living rent free in these writers heads.

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>>136988765
Not really, he's just a very popular caricature. Do you think Abraham Lincoln lives "rent free" or is maybe his beard and stovepipe hat just fun to draw?


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>>136978802 (OP)
He's very funny especially when he's annoyed that's why. There were alot of presidents that done things that could've been argued were pretty shitty eg Truman being Truman.

>>136980360
>Trump was pretty popular worldwide
I wouldn't say that. Trump was more popular with some of the middle east (for slowing down the bombing a bit), Russia, Korea, India(kinda) and the boris side of the uk.
The rest of europe, the middle east, the commonwealth realm, CHINA, asian partners and Mexico were not.
He was not the most popular US president internationally, but he did attempt to ease tensions with adversaries, at the cost of trust from allies. Which is worth something on the international stage. I imagine if he had a bit more free reign and had another term it might've been possible to get Russia away from China and we might've avoided this cold war situation we're currently at. Oh well.

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>>136980814
I can't see ru away from China with out letting Ukraine get stomped. But that is on the basis Putin was going in no matter what


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>>136980907
>how would Trump have pulled Russia away from China?
Russia has only gotten so close to China as of recent due to the effect of Nato and the increased disdain from the west, no country wants to be as in debt to some place like China unless they have to. By being one of the only presidents in the US since Reagen that didn't treat Russia as the great Satan, Trump stood out as being a potential diplomat(if he some better human decency).
Not to say it was guaranteed but there was a possibilty at some cost(plus a miracle) that he would help Russia not be as dependent as it is on China.
>>136980953
We don't live in the future if Trump was the president so we don't know if they would occur or not.
>>136981097
I do wonder what goes into a presidents mind to authorize such deadly weaponry.
>>136981161
>there's never been a good president
I bet you can find at least one if you really tried. There was 46 that's a lot of people.

[Assistant]
>>136981207
Both Obama and Bush 2 tried to get good relationships with Russia. They got bitten for it in return.


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>>136990022
nta but just wanted to thank you for your posts. They've been extremely informative, explanatory, and you've remained professional with each response despite getting nothing but attacks for your responses. Your a right legend.

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>>136990071
>>136990022
>Samefagging your own incorrect essays
>Atwater was just makin shit up lol!
Pathetic


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>>136989908
It was a rhetorical question because I knew the answer and I was telling it to you. Lee Atwater was a Regan strategist, not a Nixon strategist. He only rose to prominence in the 70s when Gerald Ford would have already taken over. Atwater was literally just making up bullshit that was not based on actually having been in Nixon campaign. Rather Atwater stated "we don't need to do what they did in 1968 anymore for x, y, and z reasons, but he wasn't working for the 1968 campaign in the first place, that isn't a confirmation that 1968 campaign used that strategy, all Atwater said was that they didn't need to do that anymore, but if you listen to Nixon's actual strategist he also says they don't need to do anything to have a southern strategy as the enforcement of the voting rights act was actually good for the republicans as blacks voting democrat would naturally cause white people to vote republican instead of being "southern democrats". Nixon's campaign clearly saw the defeat of southern democrats via southern blacks registering democrat to be the more pressing issue so they advocated zero interference in that process.

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>>136990071
>>136990022
>Samefagging your own incorrect essays
>Atwater was just makin shit up lol!
Pathetic


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

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>>136978802 (OP)
Because it was easy to do.


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>>136989825
You are dumbass who is not paying attention to the point. The idea is that LBJ said that the civil rights act "lost [the democrats] the south for a century" or whatever it is he said. However it took 30 YEARS before the Democrats actually lost the South. What happened was that the South became a swing region that either followed nationwide landslides, or it was split. Between the 60s and the 90s the south was in flux but it wasn't like it immediately flipped. The point is that it took a generation for the Democrats to actually "lose the south" do to the civil rights act. At that point are they really that connected, or were there a million other things going on in the country which changed things in those 30 years?

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>>136990091
This is some "the civil war wasn't really about slavery" tier nonsense. No respectable historian agrees. Your argument is not "the southern strategy was one large factor of many," you're pretending it wasn't a concerted effort that continues to this day. Which it is.

When you're reduced to "actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol" you obviously don't have a leg to stand on. Gish gallop all you like.

Also lmao at the other anon outright admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics


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>>136990071
>>136990022
>Samefagging your own incorrect essays
>Atwater was just makin shit up lol!
Pathetic

[Assistant]
>>136990195
No Anon I legitamately enjoy that other anons post because he actually provides a worthwhile argument unlike your retarded ass.


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>>136990195
No Anon I legitamately enjoy that other anons post because he actually provides a worthwhile argument unlike your retarded ass.

[Assistant]
>>136990296
>lol inspect element
Go back to your containment


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>>136990091
This is some "the civil war wasn't really about slavery" tier nonsense. No respectable historian agrees. Your argument is not "the southern strategy was one large factor of many," you're pretending it wasn't a concerted effort that continues to this day. Which it is.

When you're reduced to "actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol" you obviously don't have a leg to stand on. Gish gallop all you like.

Also lmao at the other anon outright admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics

[Assistant]
>>136990270
Dixiecrats were god tier bantzmasters and effective politicians. They treated government like a 9-5 job


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>>136990091
This is some "the civil war wasn't really about slavery" tier nonsense. No respectable historian agrees. Your argument is not "the southern strategy was one large factor of many," you're pretending it wasn't a concerted effort that continues to this day. Which it is.

When you're reduced to "actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol" you obviously don't have a leg to stand on. Gish gallop all you like.

Also lmao at the other anon outright admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics

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>>136990270
>the civil war wasn't really about slavery
But it wasn't. The north actively held slaves throughout the entirety of the war. They were willing to make slavery a constitutionally protected right because of the Corwin amendment. The emancipation proclamation specifically didn't free slaves in the Union or Union controlled Confederate Territory. Hell only a minority of seceeeding states actually mentioned Slavery in their rights of secession. This isn't lost cause bullshit, it's just stating the fact that the Union was not at all concerned with Slavery when it went to war with the Confederacy.


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>>136979693
>Hollywood gets a lot of funding from the Democrats to ensure that their guys are portrayed favourably and that their opponents get made fun of.
No, it's just because Republicans act like such dumbasses and care about such retarded shit like beer cans and candy mascots that they're the lower-hanging fruit by far. You don't have to pay anyone to make fun of them; they practically write their own schtick.

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>>136981245
>t. salty lib


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>>136990270
>the civil war wasn't really about slavery
But it wasn't. The north actively held slaves throughout the entirety of the war. They were willing to make slavery a constitutionally protected right because of the Corwin amendment. The emancipation proclamation specifically didn't free slaves in the Union or Union controlled Confederate Territory. Hell only a minority of seceeeding states actually mentioned Slavery in their rights of secession. This isn't lost cause bullshit, it's just stating the fact that the Union was not at all concerned with Slavery when it went to war with the Confederacy.

[Assistant] >>136990346


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>>136990383
>wikipedia as a source
The editor for the page isn't even American


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>>136990091
This is some "the civil war wasn't really about slavery" tier nonsense. No respectable historian agrees. Your argument is not "the southern strategy was one large factor of many," you're pretending it wasn't a concerted effort that continues to this day. Which it is.

When you're reduced to "actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol" you obviously don't have a leg to stand on. Gish gallop all you like.

Also lmao at the other anon outright admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics

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>>136990270
That concerted effort is to not interfere with black people voting for the democrats because this naturally will lead to far more white people voting republican because this will avoid the recreation of the comfortable relationship southern whites had with the democratic party.
>actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol
I'm not saying they are lying I'm saying they don't know what they are talking about because they weren't there.

Also are we expected to think that Goldwater was the only non-racist republican and that every republican after him (but not him) are racist when they say states rights?

>Gish gallop all you like
What the fuck is this nonsense? I looked it up and it is apparently barraging your opponent with a bunch of things which tsake far more time to counter than they take to say. Well guess what? Trickle Down Economics and Southern Strategy are what you keep barraging me with and it takes literal paragraphs to explain why these memes are wrong. There is literally no supporting evidence for these things beyond some guy saying he took an American history course. Well I haven't, I'm a fucking Canadian. All I'm telling you is that I've seen zero actually evidence of any of these things Americans like to say or quote.

>admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics
Is it somehow a crime to have any strategy at all to try to win a section of the country. Are these states just supposed to be ignored entirely? By running Southern Democrats like Carter and Clinton the Democrats were just as much employing a "southern strategy" as the republicans would have been. It is almost like you need to employ a strategy to win places. Debating what those strategies are is certainly not semantics as all parties must have a strategy to win places. All I've said is that the southern strategy consisted of doing nothing and letting the democrats shoot themselves in the foot.


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>>136990383
>wikipedia as a source
The editor for the page isn't even American

[Assistant]
>>136990427
>4chan as a source
lmao
wikipedia has citations


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[User] has there ever been a cartoon representation of Calvin Coolidge?

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>>136990478
He was known for having sex with everyone except for his wife.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect


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>>136990427
>4chan as a source
lmao
wikipedia has citations

[Assistant]
>>136990528
Wikipedia literally cites itself as a source


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>>136990270
That concerted effort is to not interfere with black people voting for the democrats because this naturally will lead to far more white people voting republican because this will avoid the recreation of the comfortable relationship southern whites had with the democratic party.
>actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol
I'm not saying they are lying I'm saying they don't know what they are talking about because they weren't there.

Also are we expected to think that Goldwater was the only non-racist republican and that every republican after him (but not him) are racist when they say states rights?

>Gish gallop all you like
What the fuck is this nonsense? I looked it up and it is apparently barraging your opponent with a bunch of things which tsake far more time to counter than they take to say. Well guess what? Trickle Down Economics and Southern Strategy are what you keep barraging me with and it takes literal paragraphs to explain why these memes are wrong. There is literally no supporting evidence for these things beyond some guy saying he took an American history course. Well I haven't, I'm a fucking Canadian. All I'm telling you is that I've seen zero actually evidence of any of these things Americans like to say or quote.

>admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics
Is it somehow a crime to have any strategy at all to try to win a section of the country. Are these states just supposed to be ignored entirely? By running Southern Democrats like Carter and Clinton the Democrats were just as much employing a "southern strategy" as the republicans would have been. It is almost like you need to employ a strategy to win places. Debating what those strategies are is certainly not semantics as all parties must have a strategy to win places. All I've said is that the southern strategy consisted of doing nothing and letting the democrats shoot themselves in the foot.

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>>136990458
>That concerted effort is to not interfere with black people voting for the democrats
Anon that single quote that popularized the term is not the entirety of the southern strategy, and it doesn't even say what you think it does. It's literally admitting to the southern strategy and saying "We considered stopping black people from voting but we think letting it happen will enrage white racists into voting for us." The concerted effort is and was to court the white racist southern vote by abandoning the black vote and dumping money and legislative effort into getting white supremacists and evangelicals to vote Republican. Atwater's quote is about what that effort entails in messaging It is not something any reasonable person doubts exists even if they aren't bothered by it (because they're a white supremacist or evangelical).

This argument started because someone said "The southern strategy obviously didn't happen," not because someone said it was ok for it to happen.

Anyone that takes either of our words for it instead of taking five seconds to wiki it is a complete retard


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>>136990478
He was known for having sex with everyone except for his wife.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect

[Assistant]
>>136990530
Sorry, but no. It refers to his (potentially fictional) chickens, not him. Him and his wife had probably the best relationship of all the Presidential couples. She was really pretty, too. Hottest First Lady imo


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>>136990270
That concerted effort is to not interfere with black people voting for the democrats because this naturally will lead to far more white people voting republican because this will avoid the recreation of the comfortable relationship southern whites had with the democratic party.
>actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol
I'm not saying they are lying I'm saying they don't know what they are talking about because they weren't there.

Also are we expected to think that Goldwater was the only non-racist republican and that every republican after him (but not him) are racist when they say states rights?

>Gish gallop all you like
What the fuck is this nonsense? I looked it up and it is apparently barraging your opponent with a bunch of things which tsake far more time to counter than they take to say. Well guess what? Trickle Down Economics and Southern Strategy are what you keep barraging me with and it takes literal paragraphs to explain why these memes are wrong. There is literally no supporting evidence for these things beyond some guy saying he took an American history course. Well I haven't, I'm a fucking Canadian. All I'm telling you is that I've seen zero actually evidence of any of these things Americans like to say or quote.

>admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics
Is it somehow a crime to have any strategy at all to try to win a section of the country. Are these states just supposed to be ignored entirely? By running Southern Democrats like Carter and Clinton the Democrats were just as much employing a "southern strategy" as the republicans would have been. It is almost like you need to employ a strategy to win places. Debating what those strategies are is certainly not semantics as all parties must have a strategy to win places. All I've said is that the southern strategy consisted of doing nothing and letting the democrats shoot themselves in the foot.

[Assistant]
>>136990458
>Goldwater was non-racist
lol u fucking wot m8


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>>136990270
That concerted effort is to not interfere with black people voting for the democrats because this naturally will lead to far more white people voting republican because this will avoid the recreation of the comfortable relationship southern whites had with the democratic party.
>actually atwater and goldwater were lying lol
I'm not saying they are lying I'm saying they don't know what they are talking about because they weren't there.

Also are we expected to think that Goldwater was the only non-racist republican and that every republican after him (but not him) are racist when they say states rights?

>Gish gallop all you like
What the fuck is this nonsense? I looked it up and it is apparently barraging your opponent with a bunch of things which tsake far more time to counter than they take to say. Well guess what? Trickle Down Economics and Southern Strategy are what you keep barraging me with and it takes literal paragraphs to explain why these memes are wrong. There is literally no supporting evidence for these things beyond some guy saying he took an American history course. Well I haven't, I'm a fucking Canadian. All I'm telling you is that I've seen zero actually evidence of any of these things Americans like to say or quote.

>admitting the southern strategy existed but arguing semantics
Is it somehow a crime to have any strategy at all to try to win a section of the country. Are these states just supposed to be ignored entirely? By running Southern Democrats like Carter and Clinton the Democrats were just as much employing a "southern strategy" as the republicans would have been. It is almost like you need to employ a strategy to win places. Debating what those strategies are is certainly not semantics as all parties must have a strategy to win places. All I've said is that the southern strategy consisted of doing nothing and letting the democrats shoot themselves in the foot.

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>>136990458
>I'm a canadian that has never had any education in American history or politics but I'm confident in saying there is no evidence that the southern strategy or trickle-down economics exist
incredible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Get reading because what you said is so absurdly stupid that you clearly don't know what the terms mean


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>>136990458
>Goldwater was non-racist
lol u fucking wot m8

[Assistant]
>>136990635
That was an ironic statement based on the idea that we are supposed to trust anything Goldwater says.


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>>136990635
That was an ironic statement based on the idea that we are supposed to trust anything Goldwater says.

[Assistant]
>>136990729
>you can't trust his confession, he's a murderer!
Brilliant.


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>>136990458
>I'm a canadian that has never had any education in American history or politics but I'm confident in saying there is no evidence that the southern strategy or trickle-down economics exist
incredible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Get reading because what you said is so absurdly stupid that you clearly don't know what the terms mean

[Assistant]
>>136990695
Anon why is it you are unable to actually form an argument yourself? Why are you linking to wikipedia? Your grade school teacher didn't accept it as a source. Neither should you. If you can't frame an argument with your own big boy words and have to specifically provide a link to a Wikipedia you didn't even read yourself then get the fuck off the internet and back to day care.


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>>136990695
Anon why is it you are unable to actually form an argument yourself? Why are you linking to wikipedia? Your grade school teacher didn't accept it as a source. Neither should you. If you can't frame an argument with your own big boy words and have to specifically provide a link to a Wikipedia you didn't even read yourself then get the fuck off the internet and back to day care.

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>>136990790
>Why are you linking wikipedia
Because you clearly don't understand the terms you're trying to talk about which makes a conversation impossible.
There's no argument to be had, you're claiming the predominant economic theory in the US and a term describing the top-down strategy of the Republicans since the 60's "don't exist."


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[User]
>>136990729
>you can't trust his confession, he's a murderer!
Brilliant.

[Assistant]
>>136990788
>you can trust his confession!
>was he at the scene of the crime
>uhh no...
>so why should I trust his confession?
>uhhh because it adheres to my biases


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>>136990458
>I'm a canadian that has never had any education in American history or politics but I'm confident in saying there is no evidence that the southern strategy or trickle-down economics exist
incredible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Get reading because what you said is so absurdly stupid that you clearly don't know what the terms mean

[Assistant]
>>136990695
I've read all of what you posted for me. My arguments on the southern strategy are actually contained within the quotes provided by that wikipedia article, I'm just interpreting the quotes for myself instead of letting the article interpret them for me. What I did as a Canadian was I analyzed the elections America actually had and I came to the conclusion that there was no trend for the south following this. The south changed very often in this period. You cannot say the Republicans had a southern strategy anymore than the Democrats did because barring landslides, they won the region by basically the same amount.

 Trickle Down Economics is not a thing anything has ever said. Supply side economics is an entire half of the discipline of economics. People regularly make "supply side" arguments that have nothing to do with taxation or Republicans. Hell fucking Mao made such arguments!

>The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_30.htm


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>>136990790
>Why are you linking wikipedia
Because you clearly don't understand the terms you're trying to talk about which makes a conversation impossible.
There's no argument to be had, you're claiming the predominant economic theory in the US and a term describing the top-down strategy of the Republicans since the 60's "don't exist."

[Assistant]
>>136990812
Yes because "Trickle down economics" is a scapegoat term created that doesn't actually exist. It's supply side economics. In fact the Wikipedia article even states as much anon. You'd know thst if you actually read the page biased as it is.


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[User]
>>136990788
>you can trust his confession!
>was he at the scene of the crime
>uhh no...
>so why should I trust his confession?
>uhhh because it adheres to my biases

[Assistant]
>>136990819
>Barry Goldwater wasn't involved in the Southern Strategy
Even more brilliant
>>136990822
Anon
>The southern strategy means literally just targeting the geographic south
>supply side economics and trickle down economics aren't the same thing
You're really just proving >>136990812
You don't understand what these terms mean.


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>>136990695
I've read all of what you posted for me. My arguments on the southern strategy are actually contained within the quotes provided by that wikipedia article, I'm just interpreting the quotes for myself instead of letting the article interpret them for me. What I did as a Canadian was I analyzed the elections America actually had and I came to the conclusion that there was no trend for the south following this. The south changed very often in this period. You cannot say the Republicans had a southern strategy anymore than the Democrats did because barring landslides, they won the region by basically the same amount.

 Trickle Down Economics is not a thing anything has ever said. Supply side economics is an entire half of the discipline of economics. People regularly make "supply side" arguments that have nothing to do with taxation or Republicans. Hell fucking Mao made such arguments!

>The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_30.htm

[Assistant]
>>136990819
>Barry Goldwater wasn't involved in the Southern Strategy
Even more brilliant
>>136990822
Anon
>The southern strategy means literally just targeting the geographic south
>supply side economics and trickle down economics aren't the same thing
You're really just proving >>136990812
You don't understand what these terms mean.


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[User]
>>136990790
>Why are you linking wikipedia
Because you clearly don't understand the terms you're trying to talk about which makes a conversation impossible.
There's no argument to be had, you're claiming the predominant economic theory in the US and a term describing the top-down strategy of the Republicans since the 60's "don't exist."

[Assistant]
>>136990819
>Barry Goldwater wasn't involved in the Southern Strategy
Even more brilliant
>>136990822
Anon
>The southern strategy means literally just targeting the geographic south
>supply side economics and trickle down economics aren't the same thing
You're really just proving >>136990812
You don't understand what these terms mean.


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[User]
>>136989039
>southern strategy
I love hearing retards spout this shit because it so obviously didn't happen.
>the republicans got racist southerners to vote for them!
>Ignore that the south consistently voted democrat until the early 2000s
>the democrats became the party for minorities while Republicans became racist in the 60s!
>Ignore that the democrats didn't vote for their first black senator until the 90s
>Johnson was so heckin cool helping the civil rights movement
>"I did it so those niggers will be voting for us for the next 200 years" -LBJ
It's all so tiresome.

[Assistant]
>>136989088
Pretty sure LBJ said "negroes" rather than the proper n-bomb, but yeah, I know that some variant of that quote is very much real.


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>>136978802 (OP)
he was a crook

[Assistant]
>>136979718
But he was not a crook, anon, he said so himself


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>>136982332
I mean specifically for the simpsons and futurama it is because groening has a hate boner for the man.
That said, Billy west who voices him in futurama just says it is based on an act when he was doing radio of Nixon turning into a werewolf hence the "arooooo" that the futurama version always does.

[Assistant]
>>136982353
I love Futurama's version of Nixon. Bella funny.


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>>136989088
Pretty sure LBJ said "negroes" rather than the proper n-bomb, but yeah, I know that some variant of that quote is very much real.

[Assistant]
>>136990889
No he said nigger.


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>>136990819
>Barry Goldwater wasn't involved in the Southern Strategy
Even more brilliant
>>136990822
Anon
>The southern strategy means literally just targeting the geographic south
>supply side economics and trickle down economics aren't the same thing
You're really just proving >>136990812
You don't understand what these terms mean.

[Assistant]
>>136990852
>bitches about same fagging
>samefags himself


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>>136990458
>That concerted effort is to not interfere with black people voting for the democrats
Anon that single quote that popularized the term is not the entirety of the southern strategy, and it doesn't even say what you think it does. It's literally admitting to the southern strategy and saying "We considered stopping black people from voting but we think letting it happen will enrage white racists into voting for us." The concerted effort is and was to court the white racist southern vote by abandoning the black vote and dumping money and legislative effort into getting white supremacists and evangelicals to vote Republican. Atwater's quote is about what that effort entails in messaging It is not something any reasonable person doubts exists even if they aren't bothered by it (because they're a white supremacist or evangelical).

This argument started because someone said "The southern strategy obviously didn't happen," not because someone said it was ok for it to happen.

Anyone that takes either of our words for it instead of taking five seconds to wiki it is a complete retard

[Assistant]
>>136990617
>The concerted effort is and was to court the white racist southern vote by abandoning the black vote
Okay but this is a massive difference than what we started with. If the issue is not trying to court the black vote that is very different than being racist, if anything it was the refusal for the republicans to try to court a particular race's votes which is the actual problem here.
>dumping money and legislative effort into getting white supremacists and evangelicals to vote Republican
In way is "doing nothing" making efforts. That is the opposite of making efforts/

Also evangelicals are just hyper-religious people. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thing. If anything you have betrayed what actually went on. By appealing to religious voters the republicans courted a significant number of voters in the south. However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist. Hell black people in the south are hyper religious as well. The south's religiosity and its racism are entirely different things. The place is called the bible belt, but the bibles thumpers are just as black as they are white.

Obviously as an atheist I don't like the republicans being overtly religious as I find that annoying to deal with, but this is an ENTIRELY different issue than the one you are complaining about. This association you have made between evangelicals and racism is entirely one that exists in your own mind.


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>>136989204
What are you fucking talking about. Civilians were routinely getting slaughtered in all of those conflicts. The late 2000s were a near-endless PR nightmare of atrocities for the US armed forces. What more did you want? Nuclear strikes?
>like the peoples in Europe and Asia used to do.
Yeah that's why the Hundred Years War actually lasted a single decade.

[Assistant]
>>136989378
>>136989204
There are quite a lot of people who believe war crimes are a kind of list of forbidden techniques that would bring decisive victory if NATO etc would only employ them, but that we noble heroes walk about with our hands fettered out of sheer humanitarian consideration, only to presumably bust them out at the awaited for dramatically satisfying all or nothing confrontation. The same people, in different conversations, will claim to believe in realpolitik.


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>>136985444
America lost the Vietnam war and the wars in the Middle East because they won't slaughter their enemies wholesale like the peoples in Europe and Asia used to do. "Civilians" are enemies. They provide the hostile fighting forces with men, shelter, intel and supplies.

[Assistant]
>>136989378
>>136989204
There are quite a lot of people who believe war crimes are a kind of list of forbidden techniques that would bring decisive victory if NATO etc would only employ them, but that we noble heroes walk about with our hands fettered out of sheer humanitarian consideration, only to presumably bust them out at the awaited for dramatically satisfying all or nothing confrontation. The same people, in different conversations, will claim to believe in realpolitik.


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[User]
>retarded /pol/fag canadian spends hours ranting about basic concepts "not existing" because he doesn't know what they mean
Shades of Dobson

[Assistant]
>>136990873
>leftoid insults a candaian explaining basic terms and history
>cites a wikipedia article edited by a Canadian as a "gotcha"

Lol
Lmao even


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>>136990617
>The concerted effort is and was to court the white racist southern vote by abandoning the black vote
Okay but this is a massive difference than what we started with. If the issue is not trying to court the black vote that is very different than being racist, if anything it was the refusal for the republicans to try to court a particular race's votes which is the actual problem here.
>dumping money and legislative effort into getting white supremacists and evangelicals to vote Republican
In way is "doing nothing" making efforts. That is the opposite of making efforts/

Also evangelicals are just hyper-religious people. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thing. If anything you have betrayed what actually went on. By appealing to religious voters the republicans courted a significant number of voters in the south. However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist. Hell black people in the south are hyper religious as well. The south's religiosity and its racism are entirely different things. The place is called the bible belt, but the bibles thumpers are just as black as they are white.

Obviously as an atheist I don't like the republicans being overtly religious as I find that annoying to deal with, but this is an ENTIRELY different issue than the one you are complaining about. This association you have made between evangelicals and racism is entirely one that exists in your own mind.

[Assistant]
>>136990925
>However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist.
Tell that to the mormons.


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>>136979693
This has long been the case since the communism hunts and censorship laws have chased down hw

[Assistant]
>>136990040
This is an interesting statement, to a non-American. Are you saying the commie hunts largely soured Hollywood on the republican party?


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>>136990925
>However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist.
Tell that to the mormons.

[Assistant]
>>136990957
>>136990925
>However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist.
It correlates.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User]
>>136990617
>The concerted effort is and was to court the white racist southern vote by abandoning the black vote
Okay but this is a massive difference than what we started with. If the issue is not trying to court the black vote that is very different than being racist, if anything it was the refusal for the republicans to try to court a particular race's votes which is the actual problem here.
>dumping money and legislative effort into getting white supremacists and evangelicals to vote Republican
In way is "doing nothing" making efforts. That is the opposite of making efforts/

Also evangelicals are just hyper-religious people. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thing. If anything you have betrayed what actually went on. By appealing to religious voters the republicans courted a significant number of voters in the south. However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist. Hell black people in the south are hyper religious as well. The south's religiosity and its racism are entirely different things. The place is called the bible belt, but the bibles thumpers are just as black as they are white.

Obviously as an atheist I don't like the republicans being overtly religious as I find that annoying to deal with, but this is an ENTIRELY different issue than the one you are complaining about. This association you have made between evangelicals and racism is entirely one that exists in your own mind.

[Assistant]
>>136990957
>>136990925
>However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist.
It correlates.


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[User] Why is Nixon always shown as a villain in cartoons?

[Assistant]
>>136978802 (OP)
Snitching is evil, but he took it to a whole new level. He snitched on himself.


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>>136990040
This is an interesting statement, to a non-American. Are you saying the commie hunts largely soured Hollywood on the republican party?

[Assistant]
>>136990973
It made the commies work even harder to infiltrate Hollywood. It is important to note that communists had infiltrated Hollywood. In fact the men responsible for the first actors strikes and Disney's animator strike were communist party members that were seeking to use media as a means to spresd their messages using Trotsky's own methods that had been utilized in the Soviet Union.
TL:DR
McCarthy was Right


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>>136990819
>Barry Goldwater wasn't involved in the Southern Strategy
Even more brilliant
>>136990822
Anon
>The southern strategy means literally just targeting the geographic south
>supply side economics and trickle down economics aren't the same thing
You're really just proving >>136990812
You don't understand what these terms mean.

[Assistant]
>>136990852
>newfag with a pepe folder doesn't know what samefagging is
lol
lmao
>>136990925
>Okay but this is a massive difference than what we started with
What we started with was
>"The southern strategy doesn't exist!"
>if the issue is not trying to court black votes
lol
>the southern strategy isn't racist
Ok, so THIS is what you've actually been trying to argue and haven't been able to articulate (or have been afraid to directly)
Either way that's wrong, which is exactly what Atwater's quote is about. Outright racist rhetoric and policy became too unpopular outside of the supremacist and evangelical votes so policies of institutional racism were publicly justified under ideological or economic pretenses
It's also not something that only existed after Goldwater's campaign, it spans over 50 years of politics. You're now literally arguing that there's no racist policies in the US which is at best incredibly naive.
>creating and funding enormous astroturfed organizations is doing nothing
lol
>Evangelicals have nothing to do with the southern strategy
We're back to you not knowing what these terms mean. "The Southern Strategy" does not just mean "Republicans are racist."
Though it is funny that you're giving away that that's what you care about here: not appearing racist.

You seem proud of having no education on the subject but it really is a good thing to have.


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>>136990617
>The concerted effort is and was to court the white racist southern vote by abandoning the black vote
Okay but this is a massive difference than what we started with. If the issue is not trying to court the black vote that is very different than being racist, if anything it was the refusal for the republicans to try to court a particular race's votes which is the actual problem here.
>dumping money and legislative effort into getting white supremacists and evangelicals to vote Republican
In way is "doing nothing" making efforts. That is the opposite of making efforts/

Also evangelicals are just hyper-religious people. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thing. If anything you have betrayed what actually went on. By appealing to religious voters the republicans courted a significant number of voters in the south. However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist. Hell black people in the south are hyper religious as well. The south's religiosity and its racism are entirely different things. The place is called the bible belt, but the bibles thumpers are just as black as they are white.

Obviously as an atheist I don't like the republicans being overtly religious as I find that annoying to deal with, but this is an ENTIRELY different issue than the one you are complaining about. This association you have made between evangelicals and racism is entirely one that exists in your own mind.

[Assistant]
>>136990852
>newfag with a pepe folder doesn't know what samefagging is
lol
lmao
>>136990925
>Okay but this is a massive difference than what we started with
What we started with was
>"The southern strategy doesn't exist!"
>if the issue is not trying to court black votes
lol
>the southern strategy isn't racist
Ok, so THIS is what you've actually been trying to argue and haven't been able to articulate (or have been afraid to directly)
Either way that's wrong, which is exactly what Atwater's quote is about. Outright racist rhetoric and policy became too unpopular outside of the supremacist and evangelical votes so policies of institutional racism were publicly justified under ideological or economic pretenses
It's also not something that only existed after Goldwater's campaign, it spans over 50 years of politics. You're now literally arguing that there's no racist policies in the US which is at best incredibly naive.
>creating and funding enormous astroturfed organizations is doing nothing
lol
>Evangelicals have nothing to do with the southern strategy
We're back to you not knowing what these terms mean. "The Southern Strategy" does not just mean "Republicans are racist."
Though it is funny that you're giving away that that's what you care about here: not appearing racist.

You seem proud of having no education on the subject but it really is a good thing to have.


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[User]
>>136990617
>The concerted effort is and was to court the white racist southern vote by abandoning the black vote
Okay but this is a massive difference than what we started with. If the issue is not trying to court the black vote that is very different than being racist, if anything it was the refusal for the republicans to try to court a particular race's votes which is the actual problem here.
>dumping money and legislative effort into getting white supremacists and evangelicals to vote Republican
In way is "doing nothing" making efforts. That is the opposite of making efforts/

Also evangelicals are just hyper-religious people. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thing. If anything you have betrayed what actually went on. By appealing to religious voters the republicans courted a significant number of voters in the south. However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist. Hell black people in the south are hyper religious as well. The south's religiosity and its racism are entirely different things. The place is called the bible belt, but the bibles thumpers are just as black as they are white.

Obviously as an atheist I don't like the republicans being overtly religious as I find that annoying to deal with, but this is an ENTIRELY different issue than the one you are complaining about. This association you have made between evangelicals and racism is entirely one that exists in your own mind.

[Assistant]
>>136990925
>Also evangelicals are just hyper-religious people. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thing.
the entire modern evangelical movement became politically active because their leaders was opposed to school integration. this is well documented.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/734303135/throughline-traces-evangelicals-history-on-the-abortion-issue
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/10/abortion-history-right-white-evangelical-1970s-00031480
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/the-truth-about-the-religious-right-now-celebrating-the-end-of-roe.html


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>>136989953
Right Reasons to Hate Reagan
>Iran Contra
>Expansion of Military Spending
>Increase in hostilities towards Soviet Union after decades of cooling relationship
>Proceeding with his second term as his mental health went to the wayside.
>Making deals with Iran prior to his election
Wrong Reason
>Muh Trickle Down Economics
>Increasing Tax Revenue by utilizing Supply Side Economics

[Assistant]
>>136989991
>Right reasons to hate him
You have forgotten this one
>resurrecting the idea of good old economical liberalism as "neoliberalism" despite the original concept failing all over the world a century earlier, with the United Staes being one of the first countries to legislate against it.


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>>136990925
>Also evangelicals are just hyper-religious people. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thing.
the entire modern evangelical movement became politically active because their leaders was opposed to school integration. this is well documented.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/734303135/throughline-traces-evangelicals-history-on-the-abortion-issue
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/10/abortion-history-right-white-evangelical-1970s-00031480
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/the-truth-about-the-religious-right-now-celebrating-the-end-of-roe.html

[Assistant]
>>136991070
If the evangelicals are super racist then why do they support getting rid of Abortion? You know the thing that kills 1/3 of all Black People? You'd think that if anything they'd be the most pro-choice group of people out there. Not only that it ignores the fact that Blacks are actually one of the most religious demographics in the enitre country and help make up a large portion of the Bible Belt.


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>>136989991
>Right reasons to hate him
You have forgotten this one
>resurrecting the idea of good old economical liberalism as "neoliberalism" despite the original concept failing all over the world a century earlier, with the United Staes being one of the first countries to legislate against it.

[Assistant]
>>136991146
>the original concept failing all over the world
Yeah let's just ignore the fact it succeeded where Socialism failed worldwide.


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>>136990957
>>136990925
>However "being religious" has absolutely nothing to do with being racist.
It correlates.

[Assistant]
>>136991001
If "appealing to people who might be racist" because they are religious immediately disqualifies people then appealing to southerners who might be racist by only running southern candidates like Carter

The alternative where these people were just supposed to be ignored because they were irredeemable would have resulted in candiates needing to treat the region like it was some kind of radioactive zone where they could never go. A candidate going to the bible belt to talk about how great Jesus is and how the pledge of allegiance should keep references to God might be appealing to people who are racist but the appealing has zero to do with racism. You can be racist and atheist. You can be religious and racist. You can be atheist and non-racist. You can be religious and non-racist.