[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] DC tries some with GN sales. They constantly reprint their classic stories, and they release new special OGNs fairly regularly, but Marvel doesn't seem to care about GN sales at all. They don't really put any effort into trying to gain ground in that market and only care about selling floppies since that is where the mainstream comic industry makes most of their money.

[Assistant]
>>136713413
>only care about selling floppies since that is where the mainstream comic industry makes most of their money
Which isn't really saying much given how much of a money pit floppies are.


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>>136713143
>>The reason he keep working on paper is to sell all the originals to the speculation market.

That one's actually reasonable, there's a market for original art

>Disney force Ramos to close hi´s comic focus podcast because it was more toxic that Slott on twitter.

Holy fuck, seriously?

[Assistant]
>>136713182
YES
this is the channel
https://www.youtube.com/@LosForasterosMX

you can look in to the banner clausurado meaning closed by forced
the episodes from 2013 to 2020 got nuke
the last stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Mi8h4EpjU [Embed]

the good bye video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Mi8h4EpjU [Embed]


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Comics are made primarily for two groups; my parents and Twitter.
Meanwhile you can find manga aimed at literally anyone.
There are even manga clearly made with 2chan/4chan in mind.

[Assistant]
>>136712729
Honestly, the scanlation culture around manga is probably the main reason it's able to stay so "current."
I've read fucking april fools loli porn joke translations that are a more accurate representation of social media-obsessed zoomers and gen alpha than any modern comic.


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>>136713413
dc has always done better in the graphic novel market than marvel has, so during new 52 dc really went hard at getting a better foothold in that market. marvel on the other hand really doesn't do much else besides masterworks and epic collections.

i forget what list it was, but in 2021 dc's best selling graphic novel was in the top 50 bestselling graphic novels, but marvel's best selling one was in the mid-100s or maybe even 200s. i don't remember the exact numbers, but the gap between them was surprising.

[Assistant]
>>136713545
A good indicator of just how bad things really are
https://www.comicsbeat.com/bookscan-2022-what-was-the-best-selling-superhero-graphic-novel/
Masterworks is grossly over priced and rarely does second printings for even their first volumes. Unless you wanna buy the $100 omnibus entry points to classic runs are to pricey to get people from just pirating it online.


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>>136708507
that's better than a century of superman or batman

[Assistant]
>>136709407
No lol, not unless you like gay shit
>>136711281


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>>136708507
Ironically, there's actually a decent bit of variety in the top selling manga.
Hell, there's even a yaoi manga in the top sellers.

[Assistant]
>>136709407
No lol, not unless you like gay shit
>>136711281


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[User]
>>136713182
YES
this is the channel
https://www.youtube.com/@LosForasterosMX

you can look in to the banner clausurado meaning closed by forced
the episodes from 2013 to 2020 got nuke
the last stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Mi8h4EpjU [Embed]

the good bye video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Mi8h4EpjU [Embed]

[Assistant]
>>136713552
My mistake this is the last stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJHB0g7aGcU [Embed]

>>136713400
>>136713182
you are right that´s reasonable that he keep the original.
what I dislike is that he send the pencil to get ink and then claim it back sometimes with out paying or sharing the money with the Inker .


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[User]
>>136713143
>The reason he keep working on paper is to sell all the originals to the speculation market.
can't hold that against the guy when marvel and dc pay like shit. selling one issues worth of pages most likely earns him more money than marvel paid him to draw that issue.

[Assistant]
>>136713552
My mistake this is the last stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJHB0g7aGcU [Embed]

>>136713400
>>136713182
you are right that´s reasonable that he keep the original.
what I dislike is that he send the pencil to get ink and then claim it back sometimes with out paying or sharing the money with the Inker .


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[User]
>>136713143
>>The reason he keep working on paper is to sell all the originals to the speculation market.

That one's actually reasonable, there's a market for original art

>Disney force Ramos to close hi´s comic focus podcast because it was more toxic that Slott on twitter.

Holy fuck, seriously?

[Assistant]
>>136713552
My mistake this is the last stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJHB0g7aGcU [Embed]

>>136713400
>>136713182
you are right that´s reasonable that he keep the original.
what I dislike is that he send the pencil to get ink and then claim it back sometimes with out paying or sharing the money with the Inker .


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[User] It's over...

[Assistant]
>>136708479 (OP)
I'm sorry weebfag whats the highest grossing anime movie?


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>>136713545
A good indicator of just how bad things really are
https://www.comicsbeat.com/bookscan-2022-what-was-the-best-selling-superhero-graphic-novel/
Masterworks is grossly over priced and rarely does second printings for even their first volumes. Unless you wanna buy the $100 omnibus entry points to classic runs are to pricey to get people from just pirating it online.

[Assistant]
>>136713789
Mighty Marvel Masterworks is probably the best recent thing Marvel has done. It takes the contents from regular Masterworks and puts it into a 6"x9" trade paperback sold for like $15. I don't know how well they are selling though.


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>>136709407
No lol, not unless you like gay shit
>>136711281

[Assistant]
>>136713809
Nothing gayer than current western comic books anon. It makes weeb shit looks super straight. That's the problem were facing.


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>>136708507
Ironically, there's actually a decent bit of variety in the top selling manga.
Hell, there's even a yaoi manga in the top sellers.

[Assistant]
>>136711281
>manga even beating western comics with gayshit
lol


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Comics are made primarily for two groups; my parents and Twitter.
Meanwhile you can find manga aimed at literally anyone.
There are even manga clearly made with 2chan/4chan in mind.

[Assistant]
>>136712729
>you can find manga aimed at literally anyone
There seem to be more comics for me than manga.
>>136713963
>98%
Not saying much.


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[User] >Casually mogs 98% of manga

[Assistant]
>>136712729
>you can find manga aimed at literally anyone
There seem to be more comics for me than manga.
>>136713963
>98%
Not saying much.


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[User]
>>136712729
>you can find manga aimed at literally anyone
There seem to be more comics for me than manga.
>>136713963
>98%
Not saying much.

[Assistant]
>>136714136
You might have the soul of a 60 year old.


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[User] >Casually mogs 98% of manga

[Assistant]
>>136713963
who cares about stories that are over 30 years old when the current market is in dire straights?
no one denies there were good stories written but that doesn't excuse how the industry has been developing for the last few decades


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>>136708479 (OP)
I'm sorry weebfag whats the highest grossing anime movie?

[Assistant]
>>136713853
>muh brands!
we're talking about comics no movies retard


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[User]
>>136712729
>you can find manga aimed at literally anyone
There seem to be more comics for me than manga.
>>136713963
>98%
Not saying much.

[Assistant]
>>136714136
>There seem to be more comics for me than manga.
why is that? america is 3 times the size of japan


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>>136713789
Mighty Marvel Masterworks is probably the best recent thing Marvel has done. It takes the contents from regular Masterworks and puts it into a 6"x9" trade paperback sold for like $15. I don't know how well they are selling though.

[Assistant]
>>136713858
Its a start but same problems are arising with releases spread few and between each title despite being reprints of masterworks in a digest size. Its an even bigger pain to keep track as there's no catalog to know what's out and what isn't. Problems further raised when your trying to keep things in chronological order.


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[User] I'm tired of these incessant threads. Granted, I know they'll never stop because they're an easy magnet for precious (you)s.

[Assistant]
>>136714212
They wont stop because its an actual problem comics are facing and its hard to ignore at this point.


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[User]
>>136713853
>muh brands!
we're talking about comics no movies retard

[Assistant]
>>136714259
>we're talking about comics no movies retard
How do anime sales look if you remove shonen and shojo? All these east vs west threads annoy the ever loving fuck outta me because the vast majority of those sales coj2me from shit /a/ will actively tell you to avoid.


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[User]
>>136714259
>we're talking about comics no movies retard
How do anime sales look if you remove shonen and shojo? All these east vs west threads annoy the ever loving fuck outta me because the vast majority of those sales coj2me from shit /a/ will actively tell you to avoid.

[Assistant]
>>136714402
how do comic sales look at all
if you want comics to do better stop making excuses


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[User] It's over...

[Assistant]
>>136708479 (OP)
KEK! Amerifats BTFO


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>>136714259
>we're talking about comics no movies retard
How do anime sales look if you remove shonen and shojo? All these east vs west threads annoy the ever loving fuck outta me because the vast majority of those sales coj2me from shit /a/ will actively tell you to avoid.

[Assistant]
>>136714402
And yet comic sales have fallen into a slump despite the massive movie synergy.


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>>136713858
Its a start but same problems are arising with releases spread few and between each title despite being reprints of masterworks in a digest size. Its an even bigger pain to keep track as there's no catalog to know what's out and what isn't. Problems further raised when your trying to keep things in chronological order.

[Assistant]
>>136714343
>Problems further raised when your trying to keep things in chronological order.
Chronological order in which way? They are numbered.


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[User]
>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
They been dying since the 90s. You don't save it. You let it die and see what happens after.


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[User]
>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
Hire writers who actually care about comic readers and fans and not only to the loudest people on twitter.


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[User]
>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
Let the industry die and start from scratch, maybe next time they'll draw comics that people actually want to read


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>>136708894
It’s like saying cars don’t sell because major chains like Walmart don’t carry them when local dealerships do
The marketplace for comics already exists and is established as the standard, so chains focus on the niche that isn’t filled (manga)

[Assistant]
>>136710487
Yeah but you don't need a specialty shop just to buy a single kind of print media
Maybe part of the reason comics are dying is because they only exist within their little sphere and aren't being carried in places people who aren't already fans of comics go to buy books


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>>136708479 (OP)
It's not over so long as capeshit still has adult fans with disposable income. I'm happy to see manga fully take over, or see the western industry adapt to the changing times in my lifetime.

[Assistant]
>>136711387
>It's not over so long as capeshit still has adult fans with disposable income.
This is the thing. It's an aging demographic and they're becoming more and more disinterested.

Manga is still every popular with kids.


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[User]
>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
I attribute most of it primarily to the distribution and way comics are packaged and sold in general. A very stupid and poorly thought out system and industry.


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[User] Copey the clown thread

[Assistant]
>>136714713
Update this for 2023


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>>136714212
They wont stop because its an actual problem comics are facing and its hard to ignore at this point.

[Assistant]
>>136714397
You say that yet these threads are mainly filled with /a/ddicts screaming about how they BTFO Americans and act like all modern comics are political woke shit or how all cartoons are "CalArts". They have 3 other boards they can talk about this on, yet always resort to the same place.

They don't want to improve anything, they just want to stroke their dicks. This happens in EVERY East vs West thread, mind you.


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[User] It's over...

[Assistant]
>>136708479 (OP)
Manga is a tour de force. Comics just can't compare.


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>>136714343
>Problems further raised when your trying to keep things in chronological order.
Chronological order in which way? They are numbered.

[Assistant]
>>136714526
The order of titles. Marvel had a pretty tight continuity in their early issues as certain characters and events came from other titles. The solo books before the avengers debuted is an example. Strange tales and fantastic four being another. Small notes at the start or end of the volume on what to read next before jumping into the next story for those who want to keep track of events.


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>>136709418
>20 straight years
anon, manga fucking died in the west in the mid-2000s. comics had 10 years to get their shit together before manga started taking over in the late 2010s.

[Assistant]
>>136713264
>manga fucking died in the west in the mid-2000s
I lived through this from the inside. What people don't understand was that the crash was deliberate. There was no sudden loss of interest in manga. People still read scanlations and watched anime.
Sales dropped because licensing dropped. The Japanese let Tokyopop prime the bookstore market, then choked off the supply just enough to kill them while leaving the infrastructure intact.
Why anyone ever thought the Japanese would be content with licensing is a mystery. This was their business, these were their toys. Once bookstores accepted manga, all of the "localizers" had no further use. They were just glorified translators.


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>>136714397
You say that yet these threads are mainly filled with /a/ddicts screaming about how they BTFO Americans and act like all modern comics are political woke shit or how all cartoons are "CalArts". They have 3 other boards they can talk about this on, yet always resort to the same place.

They don't want to improve anything, they just want to stroke their dicks. This happens in EVERY East vs West thread, mind you.

[Assistant]
>>136714801
>They don't want to improve anything, they just want to stroke their dicks. This happens in EVERY East vs West thread, mind you.
Is it wrong for a man to want to see his daughter's rapist die rather than have him improved?


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>>136713264
>manga fucking died in the west in the mid-2000s
I lived through this from the inside. What people don't understand was that the crash was deliberate. There was no sudden loss of interest in manga. People still read scanlations and watched anime.
Sales dropped because licensing dropped. The Japanese let Tokyopop prime the bookstore market, then choked off the supply just enough to kill them while leaving the infrastructure intact.
Why anyone ever thought the Japanese would be content with licensing is a mystery. This was their business, these were their toys. Once bookstores accepted manga, all of the "localizers" had no further use. They were just glorified translators.

[Assistant]
>>136714820
holy schizo


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>>136714397
You say that yet these threads are mainly filled with /a/ddicts screaming about how they BTFO Americans and act like all modern comics are political woke shit or how all cartoons are "CalArts". They have 3 other boards they can talk about this on, yet always resort to the same place.

They don't want to improve anything, they just want to stroke their dicks. This happens in EVERY East vs West thread, mind you.

[Assistant]
>>136714801
Spending 30s scrolling through the catalog leaves me feeling disgusted by the things on this board. I feel completely justified in mocking and belittling your kind.


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>>136714397
You say that yet these threads are mainly filled with /a/ddicts screaming about how they BTFO Americans and act like all modern comics are political woke shit or how all cartoons are "CalArts". They have 3 other boards they can talk about this on, yet always resort to the same place.

They don't want to improve anything, they just want to stroke their dicks. This happens in EVERY East vs West thread, mind you.

[Assistant]
>>136714801
Yeah because the situation never went away. Manga sales were on the rise while the western comics stagnated. Its gonna keep happening until something is done about it. This is the appropriate board to discuss this topic.


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>>136714801
Yeah because the situation never went away. Manga sales were on the rise while the western comics stagnated. Its gonna keep happening until something is done about it. This is the appropriate board to discuss this topic.

[Assistant]
>>136714996
We're fans though not the ones in charge who can steer the direction that comics will go


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So I'm just going to state the uncomfortable truth

Manga does better because the girls are cuter and more attractive.
That's it.
Regardless of whatever agenda you want to push that's the real reason.

[Assistant]
>>136714579
This is a huge factor.


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>>136708507
Ironically, there's actually a decent bit of variety in the top selling manga.
Hell, there's even a yaoi manga in the top sellers.

[Assistant]
>>136711281
It's all entrylevel shit and at least one thing that's Korean, not even manga. It saddens me that there's so much good manga and people just content themselves with utter slop but it's not helped by the fact western publishers have to be arm twisted to get certain things and then do nothing to market them and that's in addition to the genres that they almost universally straight up refeuse to license like 99% of spokon. It's a fucking crime that only one of Mitsuru Adachi's series (Cross Game) is legally available in America or every random isekai will get licensed but not the works of an actual talented mangaka like Keigo Shinzo.


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>>136708479 (OP)
>Twitter post
>East vs West thread
there posts should be banned on the spot

[Assistant]
>>136708538
Anon, the American comics industry is in trouble and it's propped up entirely by movie adaptations at this point. If Marvel and DC and Image and whatever didn't have value as IP farms they'd be gone. I think these threads are important for showcasing just how fucked things are and how the warnings about what needed to change were ignored for so long that now any changes are too little, too late. A large part of the reason the industry is in bad shape is because it clings to an outdated and expensive sales model solely to appease an increasingly smaller number of retailers who will throw tantrums if they have to ever do anything differently.


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>Even on /co/ manga is respected more than comics
Says a lot about the state of comics....

[Assistant]
>>136715094
/co/ doesn't really read comics.
The most you get are braindead capeshitters caught up in trivial shit and masochistic webcomic readers, with at best a handful of actual readers that pop in every few weeks. These last ones, I imagine, don't come into these threads.


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>>136711281
It's all entrylevel shit and at least one thing that's Korean, not even manga. It saddens me that there's so much good manga and people just content themselves with utter slop but it's not helped by the fact western publishers have to be arm twisted to get certain things and then do nothing to market them and that's in addition to the genres that they almost universally straight up refeuse to license like 99% of spokon. It's a fucking crime that only one of Mitsuru Adachi's series (Cross Game) is legally available in America or every random isekai will get licensed but not the works of an actual talented mangaka like Keigo Shinzo.

[Assistant]
>>136715233
>but not the works of an actual talented mangaka like Keigo Shinzo.
It probably doesn't help that most of his work is oneshots outside of Tokyo Alien Brothers and that other SoL series he has.
And also most people in general aren't that interested in SoL stuff unless they're funny, even a popular SoL series like Yotsuba isn't a top seller in America.


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>>136715084
Bro, 99.999% of indie webcomics are shit, who the fuck are you kidding?
And non-American comics get ignored because no one translates them, meaning English speakers can't fucking read them. The only foreign comics that get consistently translated are manga, manhwa, and manhua.

[Assistant]
>>136715132
Asians are just more talented than Western writers.

It's no coincidence that manga, manhwa, and manhua is taking off. While Americans can't even sell comics of IP:s that have been established for nearly 100 years.


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>>136714996
We're fans though not the ones in charge who can steer the direction that comics will go

[Assistant]
>>136715030
Fans were the one who ultimately tanked it. Brevort and the likes were all fans first and businessmen second. Because they were fans rather than find a new model, they continue an outdated one like floppies. They rather hire people who would spend all their energy creating the same spider-man story with a gimmick then find a new story to garner an audience of new readers. This wouldn't be a problem if there was a balance between old and new titles but most of the market by the top publishers are filled with derivatives of decades old brands.


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>>136715132
Asians are just more talented than Western writers.

It's no coincidence that manga, manhwa, and manhua is taking off. While Americans can't even sell comics of IP:s that have been established for nearly 100 years.

[Assistant]
>>136715331
>Asians are just more talented than Western writers.
Honestly, it's more just that what they make is largely different.
A lot of American comics don't feel any different from what I, as an American, can go watch on TV right now.
And I don't read a lot of comics for the same reason I don't watch a lot of American TV; none of that shit seems to be made for me, it's all made for white Karens and self-hating urbanites, so I don't consume it.
At least with Asian media I can get something different, especially when it comes to prevailing attitudes in said media.


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>>136713413
>only care about selling floppies since that is where the mainstream comic industry makes most of their money
Which isn't really saying much given how much of a money pit floppies are.

[Assistant]
>>136713549
>Which isn't really saying much given how much of a money pit floppies are
I mean they can sell 20 pages for $4-5 per issue, get to put ads in the issues and make more, and also get to charge extra for special variant covers per issue. You can't do that with GNs.


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>>136714402
how do comic sales look at all
if you want comics to do better stop making excuses

[Assistant]
>>136714444
Make excuses for what? Literally dated a girl who did line work, its fucking slave labor. Fuck you for supporting it because gay and black people are a thing.


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>>136711596
This. Modern CB writers are spineless creatures. Refuse to take any accountability for their actions. Its always someone else's fault except there own. Make up all the excuses in the world and feels entitled to characters they didn't create.

[Assistant]
>>136711787
I would be more understanding of Slott's situation if:
1. The Marvel 616 Disney + Documentary didn't revelal that he wastes his time on Twitter and misses his deadlines instead of doing his Job
2. He was humble enough to just ignore his critics instead of his arrogant "everyone is at fault except me" attitude.


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>yet another gook vs mutt thread
everyone above and below me is a faggot
PS. The Game

[Assistant]
>>136708530
>STOP ACKNOWLEDGING IT THAT WAY WE CAN PRETEND NOTHINGS WRONG
some people just want to talk about why it ended up like this you know?


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[User]
>>136714444
Make excuses for what? Literally dated a girl who did line work, its fucking slave labor. Fuck you for supporting it because gay and black people are a thing.

[Assistant]
>>136715521
>Fuck you for supporting it because gay and black people are a thing.
Not him but I'm literally black and I hope all comic creators suffer since they seem to think that putting black and gay people in their garbage is some kind of statement that elevates their work.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
Double down with the current model business


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>>136715521
>Fuck you for supporting it because gay and black people are a thing.
Not him but I'm literally black and I hope all comic creators suffer since they seem to think that putting black and gay people in their garbage is some kind of statement that elevates their work.

[Assistant]
>>136715632
But that's your thinking, in which you are projecting a relationship between creator and content with your own.


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[User]
>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
>How do we save comics?
At this point they will only find their deriverande in death.


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>>136715132
Asians are just more talented than Western writers.

It's no coincidence that manga, manhwa, and manhua is taking off. While Americans can't even sell comics of IP:s that have been established for nearly 100 years.

[Assistant]
>>136715331
Western writers are better, but there's no incentive for them to work in the medium of comics. So we mostly get the shitty and tired ones.
Asian artists, on the other hand, are insanely talented, even though a lot of them take shortcuts, they know what they're doing.


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>>136713549
>Which isn't really saying much given how much of a money pit floppies are
I mean they can sell 20 pages for $4-5 per issue, get to put ads in the issues and make more, and also get to charge extra for special variant covers per issue. You can't do that with GNs.

[Assistant]
>>136715485
They put ads there to recoup the loss of money from printing thousands of comics. They barely scrape by in large part due to variants because the floppy format itself burns more money than it does making it. They raise the price from 3 to 4 because they couldnt make their money back from what they printed.
>You can't do that with GNs.
Because GN doesn't need to when you have an actual audience. If a series takes off years later reprinting a volume of stories is far easier and more profitable than reprinting single issues


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>>136715331
Western writers are better, but there's no incentive for them to work in the medium of comics. So we mostly get the shitty and tired ones.
Asian artists, on the other hand, are insanely talented, even though a lot of them take shortcuts, they know what they're doing.

[Assistant]
>>136715789
Nah. I've started reading manwha in recent times and it's more enjoyable than any comic I ever read.


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>>136712729
Honestly, the scanlation culture around manga is probably the main reason it's able to stay so "current."
I've read fucking april fools loli porn joke translations that are a more accurate representation of social media-obsessed zoomers and gen alpha than any modern comic.

[Assistant]
>>136713702
A lot of scanlators are bitch clout chasers that will drop series on a whim if they don't feel it gets enough stroking for their e-peens. Also a lot of them are ESLs using MTL.


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>>136715632
But that's your thinking, in which you are projecting a relationship between creator and content with your own.

[Assistant]
>>136715737
I mean, when you go online and try to talk up your work because it's "diverse" or whatever, you're kind of signalling that you think putting black or gay people in your work makes it more special or interesting.
It does not.


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>>136714444
Make excuses for what? Literally dated a girl who did line work, its fucking slave labor. Fuck you for supporting it because gay and black people are a thing.

[Assistant]
>>136715521
whats your point?


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>>136715789
Nah. I've started reading manwha in recent times and it's more enjoyable than any comic I ever read.

[Assistant]
>>136715884
I've never found a manwha with decent writing or better.


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>>136708479 (OP)
>fucked release schedule compared to simple "weekly biweekly monthly"
>art constantly changing from good to bad depending on artist
>action comics have dogshit choreography
>story focused comics arent interesting unless their indie
>events dont matter anymore because they never stick
>only characters that get a push are movie characters
its not hard to see why. it doesnt help that movie/tv characters are nothing like their comic equivalent so you might not like them


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>>136715132
Asians are just more talented than Western writers.

It's no coincidence that manga, manhwa, and manhua is taking off. While Americans can't even sell comics of IP:s that have been established for nearly 100 years.

[Assistant]
>>136715331
the west loved its appreciation for hard work and disciplined studied
americans always seem obsessed with whatever new technology that can get so they don't need to learn something


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>>136713702
A lot of scanlators are bitch clout chasers that will drop series on a whim if they don't feel it gets enough stroking for their e-peens. Also a lot of them are ESLs using MTL.

[Assistant]
>>136715966
>Also a lot of them are ESLs using MTL.
ESLs are a bane, but I would genuinely take them over most official TLs.


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>>136715233
>but not the works of an actual talented mangaka like Keigo Shinzo.
It probably doesn't help that most of his work is oneshots outside of Tokyo Alien Brothers and that other SoL series he has.
And also most people in general aren't that interested in SoL stuff unless they're funny, even a popular SoL series like Yotsuba isn't a top seller in America.

[Assistant]
>>136715326
Tokyo Alien Brothers, Nora and Weeds, and Hirayasumi are/were all ongoing series and the second mostly ended because of his chemo.

Actually I think Hirayasumi is a good thing to compare/contrast with western (well, American) autobiographical stuff or works influenced by the writer's current life. A lot of it, from American creators, focuses on their own personal misery and woe is me and my life is so shit stuff. Hirayasumi was something Shinzo came up with while in the hospital undergoing chemo and it feels like the work of a man who gained a new appreciation for the beauty of life after being faced with his own mortality. It can get emotionally rough and real but never in a way that feels like it's doing it just to be morose, but to remind the reader to appreciate the good things in life and the happy moments even more.


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>>136715884
I've never found a manwha with decent writing or better.

[Assistant]
>>136716022
>I've never found a manwha with decent writing or better.
Check out "Your Talent is Mine"


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>>136708479 (OP)
Shonenshit no doubt taking up the almost-total bulk of those sales. You're just trading one form of pure garbage for another.

[Assistant]
>>136708507
Anon, you do realize that shounen isn't a genre, right?


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
Stop hyper focusing on capeshit. The only reason the west is 90% capeshit is because of the Comics Code Authority.
Go back to diverse stories about horror, war, SOL, comedy, romance, and so on.


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So I'm just going to state the uncomfortable truth

Manga does better because the girls are cuter and more attractive.
That's it.
Regardless of whatever agenda you want to push that's the real reason.

[Assistant]
>>136714579
Everyone in manga is more attractive, from the girls to the boys to the MILFs to the GILFs to the daddies.


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>>136708507
Anon, you do realize that shounen isn't a genre, right?

[Assistant]
>>136717131
Its shorthand for battle shonen.


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>>136708781
Spoken like a retard who knows nothing about politics except flavor of the month culture war bullshit

[Assistant]
>>136708890
Yeah, eat shit, mate. The only thing worse than the obnoxious preachiness of leftists in charge of comic books is that they don't recognize how utterly delusional and childish what they try to preach is, which is fucking saying something for comic books.

Comic books are based on superheroes. Superheroes are based on morality. How are leftists supposed to tell hero stories when their own party is so morally bankrupt they literally can't tell the difference between criminals and victims anymore?

Answer: They can't. And when they try, they get pic related- THIS sort of shit, because their mentally immature minds can't tell that the right thing to do is not always just whatever a person wants to do.

When fucking Sonic is writing heroes better than DC or Marvel, it's clear someone in either HR or management has long since missed the flag to start cutting heads like harvest season. At this point, I don't even care. The Marvel movie phase is winding down, the chance to give Marvel its comic book renaissance after the 90's has been missed (and holy fuck how the balls do you miss a 15-year window to capitalize like that? Jesus Christ.) and Western comics will, in all likelihood, not ever get another chance.

Fuckers betrayed their entire fandom for a bunch of leftist minority representation markets that never actually fucking bought anything. The death couldn't be more well-deserved.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
By making good comics for a change. Stop hiring people just because they're known in the industry like Bendis, or diversity hires like whatshername who made Kamala Khan, or people who blew the right cocks like Zoe Quinn.
I don't care if you hire the most zionist jew or the blackest nigga as long as they are good at their job. Get rid of the people who are shit at their job.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
Can't. Got to outright kill the industry first, because the people who ruined it are still at the helm.


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[User] It's over...

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>>136708479 (OP)
>A lot of the growth coming from midwestern and southern states
That's hilarious.
Turns out that making stuff that only appeals to urbanites can backfire, who knew?


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[User] Again?

[Assistant]
>>136709087
>>136715132
>>136715364
>Thinks all indie comics are like the romance Webtoons in trailers

>Thinks all Euro and British comics are untranslated porn

>Doesn't know the difference between animation quality and animation art style

Average /a/sshat.


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>>136715084
Bro, 99.999% of indie webcomics are shit, who the fuck are you kidding?
And non-American comics get ignored because no one translates them, meaning English speakers can't fucking read them. The only foreign comics that get consistently translated are manga, manhwa, and manhua.

[Assistant]
>>136709087
>>136715132
>>136715364
>Thinks all indie comics are like the romance Webtoons in trailers

>Thinks all Euro and British comics are untranslated porn

>Doesn't know the difference between animation quality and animation art style

Average /a/sshat.


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>>136715084
>muh indies
Literally just Image writers trying to land a TV adaptation
>muh yuroshit
Nobody is floored by nudity in comics anymore. Also Japan does it better

Just take the L and stop crying to mommy

[Assistant]
>>136709087
>>136715132
>>136715364
>Thinks all indie comics are like the romance Webtoons in trailers

>Thinks all Euro and British comics are untranslated porn

>Doesn't know the difference between animation quality and animation art style

Average /a/sshat.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
We don't. Burn the industry to the fucking ground. They refuse to adapt and should be fodder for fresh growth.


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>>136708781
Spoken like a retard who knows nothing about politics except flavor of the month culture war bullshit

[Assistant]
>>136708890
he is literally right and you are literally wrong leftists/democrat voters with their woke shit and insane race obsession and idiocy have ruined comics thats not a secret you blind motherfucker


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>>136708890
Yeah, eat shit, mate. The only thing worse than the obnoxious preachiness of leftists in charge of comic books is that they don't recognize how utterly delusional and childish what they try to preach is, which is fucking saying something for comic books.

Comic books are based on superheroes. Superheroes are based on morality. How are leftists supposed to tell hero stories when their own party is so morally bankrupt they literally can't tell the difference between criminals and victims anymore?

Answer: They can't. And when they try, they get pic related- THIS sort of shit, because their mentally immature minds can't tell that the right thing to do is not always just whatever a person wants to do.

When fucking Sonic is writing heroes better than DC or Marvel, it's clear someone in either HR or management has long since missed the flag to start cutting heads like harvest season. At this point, I don't even care. The Marvel movie phase is winding down, the chance to give Marvel its comic book renaissance after the 90's has been missed (and holy fuck how the balls do you miss a 15-year window to capitalize like that? Jesus Christ.) and Western comics will, in all likelihood, not ever get another chance.

Fuckers betrayed their entire fandom for a bunch of leftist minority representation markets that never actually fucking bought anything. The death couldn't be more well-deserved.

[Assistant]
>>136717816
.


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>>136709087
>>136715132
>>136715364
>Thinks all indie comics are like the romance Webtoons in trailers

>Thinks all Euro and British comics are untranslated porn

>Doesn't know the difference between animation quality and animation art style

Average /a/sshat.

[Assistant]
>>136719186
But all indie comics are romance webtoons in trailers and euro comics are untranslated porn but most importantly they're pretentious communist gobbledygook


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>>136708489
Cancel all traditional capeshit.
Redirect all resources and marketing to the other comics that feature stand-alone, self-contained, quality stories.
Make animated adaptations out of the most popular ones.

So, literally the same that Japan has done for the last 40 years

[Assistant]
>>136708876
THIS
the problem is SYNRERGY
and this is a difficult concept because it has been co-opted purely by inane moronic for-profit capitalism. It's why micromanagement doesn't work. A human CEO understands that their daughter doesn't want to eat nothing but broccoli because it is efficient and that forcing her to do 400 after-school programs is idiotic but that same CEO cannot possibly comprehend that the employees of their corporation are also human, can't subsist on starvation wages, and won't meet deadlines when you pile them up to the fucking moon. In his private life he might go to church or other 'non profitable nonsense' like see a sports game or have fun with his family at a picnic. But shareholders breathing down his neck turns him into a mindless robot when he's behind his chair. Pure compartmentalization and never once questioning why this is nonsensical and never works. He's too busy writing a detailed sophist report on how this is some underling's fault or a blip in the market and not because there a foundational inability to account for human beings and their lives in the process of making money. Now will they ever consider how little money will matter when the entire planet goes tits up due to their own rampant pollution.
It takes a city of people to churn out low effort trash like the endless Marvel movies as well as boring, non-thinking, consumers who don't want to upset their pathetically unaware (or pretending to be) friend group by seeing something with some kind of message so they keep going to see the Marvel trash.
Businesswise or otherwise we need a brand new cultural upheaval where
>stand-alone, self-contained, quality stories
are told for a human, universal, purpose. Sure, make dem dolla dolla bills kill hoes and rape ya enemies or whatever, but life is more than that paper. You also gotta wipe your fucking ass with it.
>same as japan for the last 40 years
US used to do the exact same thing with pulp magazines.


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>>136708479 (OP)
>Why is manga outselling American comics?

[Assistant]
>>136709117
>racist, sexist, and homophobic
Sounds like a fun guy


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>>136715521
>Fuck you for supporting it because gay and black people are a thing.
Not him but I'm literally black and I hope all comic creators suffer since they seem to think that putting black and gay people in their garbage is some kind of statement that elevates their work.

[Assistant]
>>136715632
>m literally black
Cool, you support literal fucking slave labor regardless.


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>>136708489
Cancel all traditional capeshit.
Redirect all resources and marketing to the other comics that feature stand-alone, self-contained, quality stories.
Make animated adaptations out of the most popular ones.

So, literally the same that Japan has done for the last 40 years

[Assistant]
>>136708876
This.


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>>136719186
But all indie comics are romance webtoons in trailers and euro comics are untranslated porn but most importantly they're pretentious communist gobbledygook

[Assistant]
>>136719620
holy shit that pic


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>>136715632
>m literally black
Cool, you support literal fucking slave labor regardless.

[Assistant]
>>136719741
Everyone on the planet supports slave labor in some way or another.
The device you're reading this on wouldn't exist without slave labor.


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>>136708890
Yeah, eat shit, mate. The only thing worse than the obnoxious preachiness of leftists in charge of comic books is that they don't recognize how utterly delusional and childish what they try to preach is, which is fucking saying something for comic books.

Comic books are based on superheroes. Superheroes are based on morality. How are leftists supposed to tell hero stories when their own party is so morally bankrupt they literally can't tell the difference between criminals and victims anymore?

Answer: They can't. And when they try, they get pic related- THIS sort of shit, because their mentally immature minds can't tell that the right thing to do is not always just whatever a person wants to do.

When fucking Sonic is writing heroes better than DC or Marvel, it's clear someone in either HR or management has long since missed the flag to start cutting heads like harvest season. At this point, I don't even care. The Marvel movie phase is winding down, the chance to give Marvel its comic book renaissance after the 90's has been missed (and holy fuck how the balls do you miss a 15-year window to capitalize like that? Jesus Christ.) and Western comics will, in all likelihood, not ever get another chance.

Fuckers betrayed their entire fandom for a bunch of leftist minority representation markets that never actually fucking bought anything. The death couldn't be more well-deserved.

[Assistant]
>>136717816
Comic writers have always been left.


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>>136717816
Comic writers have always been left.

[Assistant]
>>136720328
That does not excuse them
https://youtu.be/Gdr01HQhPaQ?t=337 [Embed]
https://youtu.be/dr1VJVRsry4 [Embed]


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>>136708489
Make comics more like manga. Adapt or die.

[Assistant]
>>136708525
The ESG homos won't let you.


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>>136708489
Make comics more like manga. Adapt or die.

[Assistant]
>>136708525
My Idea would be to make 1-3 Trade Papercacks worth of Issues before serialization starts and publish comics in an "every other week" schedule, that makes them avoid monthly Floppies' glaciar pace while avoiding the crunch that the Japanese and Korean comic Industry are infamous for.


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>>136713552
My mistake this is the last stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJHB0g7aGcU [Embed]

>>136713400
>>136713182
you are right that´s reasonable that he keep the original.
what I dislike is that he send the pencil to get ink and then claim it back sometimes with out paying or sharing the money with the Inker .

[Assistant]
>>136713822
That’s been standard practice with most artists,sometimes inkers get a 2:3 split on original page distribution. It’s trickier to split profits since the page might not be sold immediately, so they split which pages they get


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
More stories about the love and eternal optimism in the face of unforgiving danger, horrific tragedy, and harsh truths about the human condition.

Fewer stories about smug pretentious virtue signaling asswipes.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] I remember in like 2010 or something /co/ bragged about how manga sales paled in comparison to comics. I warned someday they would surpass if changes are not made since it has grown substantially in popularity since the year 2000. People actually mass replied me saying I was delusional and it would never happen.

[Assistant]
>>136708523
Changes WERE made. Comics started sucking worse in 2011, somehow.


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>>136708523
Changes WERE made. Comics started sucking worse in 2011, somehow.

[Assistant]
>>136720653
What went wrong?


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>>136711281
>manga even beating western comics with gayshit
lol

[Assistant]
>>136713900
Because manga appeals to people who consume that as opposed to "people" who virtue signal on social media. Same with media aimed at girls


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>>136708479 (OP)
I can't think of another industry with as big a disconnect between product and potential market/demand. There's a pretty clear desire for stuff, but the people in charge have managed to fuck it up somehow


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>>136708479 (OP)
I can't think of another industry with as big a disconnect between product and potential market/demand. There's a pretty clear desire for stuff, but the people in charge have managed to fuck it up somehow

[Assistant]
>>136720735
There is also publicity, nobody promotes anything, I was not aware that I Hate Fairyland was getting a sequel series or of the whole Substack stuff until I checked here back in late 2022, and that's one of the few comics I follow.
And its worse for Marvel and DC, good luck making new source material for your movies if you can't bother to promote them to the reader.


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>>136719186
But all indie comics are romance webtoons in trailers and euro comics are untranslated porn but most importantly they're pretentious communist gobbledygook

[Assistant]
>>136719620
even at 75% off big 2 comics are still like 2 bucks. still not worth it.


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>>136720735
There is also publicity, nobody promotes anything, I was not aware that I Hate Fairyland was getting a sequel series or of the whole Substack stuff until I checked here back in late 2022, and that's one of the few comics I follow.
And its worse for Marvel and DC, good luck making new source material for your movies if you can't bother to promote them to the reader.

[Assistant]
>>136720818
>I was not aware that I Hate Fairyland was getting a sequel series
to be fair, i hate fairy land is an indie comic. it's not like it is a marvel or dc comic where they have massive megacorps backing them and still do fuck all to advertise their shit.


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>>136709087
>>136715132
>>136715364
>Thinks all indie comics are like the romance Webtoons in trailers

>Thinks all Euro and British comics are untranslated porn

>Doesn't know the difference between animation quality and animation art style

Average /a/sshat.

[Assistant]
>>136719186
/co/ keeps pretending that because their characters have weird head shapes they are better than anime characters


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>>136713963
who cares about stories that are over 30 years old when the current market is in dire straights?
no one denies there were good stories written but that doesn't excuse how the industry has been developing for the last few decades

[Assistant]
>>136714235
>who cares about stories that are over 30 years old
This. Comic industry plants will claim comics are doing great, and that previous works in the past are what's running the industry and what makes comics good. What they are afraid to acknowledge is that their crappy policies, and politics and keeping the status quo is what is killing their industry. That and diversity hires, destruction of anyone making anything meaningful because the company will just lay claim to it, and catering to an ever decreasing audience size.


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] I remember in like 2010 or something /co/ bragged about how manga sales paled in comparison to comics. I warned someday they would surpass if changes are not made since it has grown substantially in popularity since the year 2000. People actually mass replied me saying I was delusional and it would never happen.

[Assistant]
>>136708523
Lmao. I would have warned of that shit in fucking 1999. Okay. That's a lie. I would have warned of that shit in 2001 based on shit I learned happened in 1999. Point is there were massive red flags in 1999 and the industry has had a quarter of a century to fix their god damn shit.

>Yaoi artist draws literally the best selling comic in the fucking US


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>>136720818
>I was not aware that I Hate Fairyland was getting a sequel series
to be fair, i hate fairy land is an indie comic. it's not like it is a marvel or dc comic where they have massive megacorps backing them and still do fuck all to advertise their shit.

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>>136720851
Not exactly indie, it's published by Image and they're the fourth-largest comic publisher behind Marvel, DC, and Scholastic.


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>>136720653
What went wrong?

[Assistant]
>>136720675
Marvel fired most editors, got bought by Disney, gave their best franchises of the time (cosmic and X-Men) to their possibly worst writer etc.

DC, just as it was recovering from 2000s edge, threw most anything good it had going away in favor of the Nu52 reboot.

Both went into the woke slippery slope, along with IDW. I'm not sure what happened to Boom or Dark Horse, besides the breakup between the folks working on Beasts of Burden. I also kinda lost track of Oni Press.


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>>136708523
Lmao. I would have warned of that shit in fucking 1999. Okay. That's a lie. I would have warned of that shit in 2001 based on shit I learned happened in 1999. Point is there were massive red flags in 1999 and the industry has had a quarter of a century to fix their god damn shit.

>Yaoi artist draws literally the best selling comic in the fucking US

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>>136720917
I knew he drew hentai, but had no idea it was yaoi.
His tiddies were great though.


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>>136708479 (OP)
Why do these threads keep being spammed on here? We get it, USA Big Two are failing.


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>>136720851
Not exactly indie, it's published by Image and they're the fourth-largest comic publisher behind Marvel, DC, and Scholastic.

[Assistant]
>>136720928
anon, image doesn't do fucking shit besides publish the comic. everything else is on the creators to do. image doesn't pay for anything besides printing the books and only give the creators their cut of sales.


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>>136719186
/co/ keeps pretending that because their characters have weird head shapes they are better than anime characters

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>>136720895
Thundercats Roar is garbage. But I'd rather have unique head designs over constant copy-pasted faces.


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>>136708479 (OP)
Why are people not buying pic related, /co/?


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>>136719186
/co/ keeps pretending that because their characters have weird head shapes they are better than anime characters

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>>136720895
Honestly, /co/ is kind of stupid when it comes to that.
There's nothing stopping you from doing both, anime has been doing that forever.
VEG just doesn't do it because it's telling a more serious story.


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>>136720675
Marvel fired most editors, got bought by Disney, gave their best franchises of the time (cosmic and X-Men) to their possibly worst writer etc.

DC, just as it was recovering from 2000s edge, threw most anything good it had going away in favor of the Nu52 reboot.

Both went into the woke slippery slope, along with IDW. I'm not sure what happened to Boom or Dark Horse, besides the breakup between the folks working on Beasts of Burden. I also kinda lost track of Oni Press.

[Assistant]
>>136720972
>I also kinda lost track of Oni Press.
oni press is still surviving on scott pilgrim money and had success with invader zim and rick and morty comics. a few years ago i stumbled across a hot topic and saw the invader zim comics there. they are doing well enough pandering to millennials.


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>>136708489
Make comics more like manga. Adapt or die.

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>>136708525
>>136708489
Unironically do nothing but self contained stories and go heavy on AU themes and fixing all the rot and status quo bullshit that haunts comics. Telltale Batman is one of the only Batman stories in the past decade that was worth a damn because it actually used the characters in a unique way, did interesting things with them, and didn't just abandon the characters after their arcs were done. Superior Spider-Man was also fantastic and hit all these boxes before Marvel realized they accidentally made something that wasn't slop so they shitcanned it and buried it under a mountain of retcons. I don't know why they don't do more shit like Telltale Batman or Superior Spider-Man because almost everyone that reads/sees them agrees that they're some of the best things they've churned out.

Another thing they don't do that has fucked them is they don't make character bibles with clearly defined personalities or power sets. So one person will write Batman being wrecked by a few goons getting the jump on him while someone else will write him fist fighting polar bears. If you aren't going to make interesting AUs then you could at least make faithful comics.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708525
>>136708489
Unironically do nothing but self contained stories and go heavy on AU themes and fixing all the rot and status quo bullshit that haunts comics. Telltale Batman is one of the only Batman stories in the past decade that was worth a damn because it actually used the characters in a unique way, did interesting things with them, and didn't just abandon the characters after their arcs were done. Superior Spider-Man was also fantastic and hit all these boxes before Marvel realized they accidentally made something that wasn't slop so they shitcanned it and buried it under a mountain of retcons. I don't know why they don't do more shit like Telltale Batman or Superior Spider-Man because almost everyone that reads/sees them agrees that they're some of the best things they've churned out.

Another thing they don't do that has fucked them is they don't make character bibles with clearly defined personalities or power sets. So one person will write Batman being wrecked by a few goons getting the jump on him while someone else will write him fist fighting polar bears. If you aren't going to make interesting AUs then you could at least make faithful comics.


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>>136708479 (OP)
>Why is manga outselling American comics?

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>>136709117
This shit has always plagued comics. If I remembered what comic it was I'd post the panel of Iron Man being told he's subconsciously a racist chud that needs to check his privilege and mandate forced diversity quotas in the Avengers from when they started introducing black heroes as a concept.


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>>136720972
>I also kinda lost track of Oni Press.
oni press is still surviving on scott pilgrim money and had success with invader zim and rick and morty comics. a few years ago i stumbled across a hot topic and saw the invader zim comics there. they are doing well enough pandering to millennials.

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>>136721131
True, have you seen how popular Doofus Jerry is online?
I say this as someone that owns the Rick and Morty volume (Volume 5) that has the story arc he is featured in.
Plenty of videos involving the character have 1+ Million views.
https://youtu.be/5H-Yd5brDs4 [Embed]
It even has a Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_and_Morty_%E2%80%93_A_Tale_of_Two_Jerries


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>>136720972
>I also kinda lost track of Oni Press.
oni press is still surviving on scott pilgrim money and had success with invader zim and rick and morty comics. a few years ago i stumbled across a hot topic and saw the invader zim comics there. they are doing well enough pandering to millennials.

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>>136721131
That's kinda nice to hear, I guess? No idea about the quality of their current stuff, but I enjoyed Courtney Crumrin (I think that was from them).


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>>136720895
Honestly, /co/ is kind of stupid when it comes to that.
There's nothing stopping you from doing both, anime has been doing that forever.
VEG just doesn't do it because it's telling a more serious story.

[Assistant]
>>136721069
One Piece, My Hero Academia and Hunter x Hunter are good examples of anime with varied faces


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>>136709117
This shit has always plagued comics. If I remembered what comic it was I'd post the panel of Iron Man being told he's subconsciously a racist chud that needs to check his privilege and mandate forced diversity quotas in the Avengers from when they started introducing black heroes as a concept.

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>>136721218
I think the most cringey part is the "latinx" bit.


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>>136721177
>If they tried to post East Vs West shit on /a/ , mods would delete it in seconds.
There is literally a thread identical to this one on /a/ right now, and it's been up for almost 12 hours.
>>>/a/251439899
And it's full of people shit talking America and American comics.

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>>136721210
Picked up, thanks anon


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>>136721177
>If they tried to post East Vs West shit on /a/ , mods would delete it in seconds.
There is literally a thread identical to this one on /a/ right now, and it's been up for almost 12 hours.
>>>/a/251439899
And it's full of people shit talking America and American comics.

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>>136721210
>>136721333
Link to the /a/ thread for the interested
>>251439899


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>>136721210
Picked up, thanks anon

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>>136721210
>>136721333
Link to the /a/ thread for the interested
>>251439899


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>>136708479 (OP)
Between this and the Mario movie, people are tired of diversity


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>>136720917
I knew he drew hentai, but had no idea it was yaoi.
His tiddies were great though.

[Assistant]
>>136720997
It's not yaoi, it's futa
>in b4 same thing


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>>136708525
>>136708489
Unironically do nothing but self contained stories and go heavy on AU themes and fixing all the rot and status quo bullshit that haunts comics. Telltale Batman is one of the only Batman stories in the past decade that was worth a damn because it actually used the characters in a unique way, did interesting things with them, and didn't just abandon the characters after their arcs were done. Superior Spider-Man was also fantastic and hit all these boxes before Marvel realized they accidentally made something that wasn't slop so they shitcanned it and buried it under a mountain of retcons. I don't know why they don't do more shit like Telltale Batman or Superior Spider-Man because almost everyone that reads/sees them agrees that they're some of the best things they've churned out.

Another thing they don't do that has fucked them is they don't make character bibles with clearly defined personalities or power sets. So one person will write Batman being wrecked by a few goons getting the jump on him while someone else will write him fist fighting polar bears. If you aren't going to make interesting AUs then you could at least make faithful comics.

[Assistant]
>>136721148
>Even more capeshit
Let it die anon. Let it die.

Let it shrivel up and die.


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>>136708479 (OP)
>Why is manga outselling American comics?

[Assistant]
>>136709117
god fucking dammit man...


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>>136720653
What went wrong?

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>>136720675
What >>136720972 said, plus:

Rise of social media. It used to be comic fandom vs creators were localized to forums and stuff. But on Twitter, everyone can see the drama. And now people who don't follow comics, are talking about comic creator drama.
Excessive virtue signaling. Worse,
excessive in-fighting of virtue signaling comics industry people, where it's painfully obvious that some people are trying to get other people canceled so they can open up more jobs for themselves or their friends.
The loss of Wizard and other major comic magazines. Comics Journal was even gone for about six years.
Comic news sites declined and also lost credibility (don't believe me? Look at what happened to CBR, Newsarama, Comics Alliance)

There's more but that's also what i remember


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>>136720675
Marvel fired most editors, got bought by Disney, gave their best franchises of the time (cosmic and X-Men) to their possibly worst writer etc.

DC, just as it was recovering from 2000s edge, threw most anything good it had going away in favor of the Nu52 reboot.

Both went into the woke slippery slope, along with IDW. I'm not sure what happened to Boom or Dark Horse, besides the breakup between the folks working on Beasts of Burden. I also kinda lost track of Oni Press.

[Assistant]
>>136720675
What >>136720972 said, plus:

Rise of social media. It used to be comic fandom vs creators were localized to forums and stuff. But on Twitter, everyone can see the drama. And now people who don't follow comics, are talking about comic creator drama.
Excessive virtue signaling. Worse,
excessive in-fighting of virtue signaling comics industry people, where it's painfully obvious that some people are trying to get other people canceled so they can open up more jobs for themselves or their friends.
The loss of Wizard and other major comic magazines. Comics Journal was even gone for about six years.
Comic news sites declined and also lost credibility (don't believe me? Look at what happened to CBR, Newsarama, Comics Alliance)

There's more but that's also what i remember


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No shit.
Why would I pay to read something that's just preaching left-wing politics to me instead of putting up a good story when I can do the same thing by going on Twitter? And if I want to see some amateur artist, there's no shortage of comics out there now online for free. You're mileage may vary for some shit like Webtoons, but, hey, at least it's not guaranteed crap.

You know, I was reading Saga a while back, and realized that the vulgarity and senseless nudity had a bit of a purpose to it beyond just seeming like immature humor, realizing that the central point of it was a retread of "make love not war," but found that it took things a bit far. Critics praised it for its views on war (along with 'muh diversity' crap), but, fuck, if I couldn't take them seriously when the comic outright claimed that fucking was the opposite of fighting.
A very recent time since, I started reading Berserk. Yes, late to the party, but that manga demonstrated everything with which I was skeptic of that message by showing sexual content as an act of violence, complete with several non-consensual acts and the outright molestation of several characters under 18.

I know that seems like a completely off-the-wall tangent, but it's probably the best example of what I mean. Even for stories that are being praised over in the west, for as good as they might be, a lot of the more thematically-mature elements are overwhelmingly softball takes that tow the line with edginess. When the moral preaching fails, all that's left is dumb fun. And manga's in a better place for that right now, not that I need to elaborate on THAT with people posting Meh-vel screencaps preaching BLM and the like.

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>>136721829
>Even for stories that are being praised over in the west, for as good as they might be, a lot of the more thematically-mature elements are overwhelmingly softball takes that tow the line with edginess.
This is a big one for me.
A lot of comics that try to market themselves on "wow, we're so provocative" or "woah, look at how edgy we are!" seem to be stuck in the late 90s and act like a story about gay people is the most groundbreaking shit ever, or that a comic with lots of gore and violence is super offensive, or that a character who's super "above it all" because they're immortal and thus, GASP, they like men AND women is riding the mirror's edge.
It's fucking weird how people can be so obviously out-of-touch yet still think that they're pushing boundaries.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

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>>136708489
Make more creative stories and stray away from the norm, also have more styles in the paneling and framing of said panels
>>136708507
>shonenshit
The average young girl is more inclined to buy books, most likely manga, than any demographic. That's where your sales come from


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>>136708479 (OP)
Shonenshit no doubt taking up the almost-total bulk of those sales. You're just trading one form of pure garbage for another.

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>>136708489
Make more creative stories and stray away from the norm, also have more styles in the paneling and framing of said panels
>>136708507
>shonenshit
The average young girl is more inclined to buy books, most likely manga, than any demographic. That's where your sales come from


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[User] I have to say it was really funny watching the shift from "lmao why would anyone read this jap garbage" to "actually manga are comics too" happen in real time when Hero Academia started topping sales charts in the US.

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>>136722118
>"actually manga are comics too"
That's probably my favorite cope.
It's almost as good as when people act like the manga/anime artstyle is what makes them popular and just copying that will net them instant success.


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>>136717816
Comic writers have always been left.

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>>136720328
Yeah, but 90's leftist were generally fun dudes who liked big titties. Now they are basically just another flavor of evangelicals.


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>>136722118
>"actually manga are comics too"
That's probably my favorite cope.
It's almost as good as when people act like the manga/anime artstyle is what makes them popular and just copying that will net them instant success.

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>>136722330
It's like such a marked difference from the way old guys like Frank Miller or Todd McFarlane or even Rob Liefeld used to take influence from manga and how current creators take influence from manga


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[User] >Casually mogs 98% of manga

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>>136713963
I love Bone but its OLD


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>>136720328
Yeah, but 90's leftist were generally fun dudes who liked big titties. Now they are basically just another flavor of evangelicals.

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>>136722455
Yep.
Modern Americans and American creators are just anti-fun.
They're too busy tripping over one another trying to cancel each other on Twitter to make something fun or sexy.
I couldn't imagine how fast an American creator would get cancelled if they tried to make something like Rosen Garten Saga or Goodbye, Eden, or pic related, they'd probably immediately get hit with allegations and have all their accounts banned.


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[User] ENTER

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>>136719291
Dogman and other scholastic graphic novels sell because they're in places normal people can find them like grocery stores and school book fairs. no kid is going to travel twenty miles to some sweaty nerd's rape dungeon to pick up the latest issue of spiderman if he could play fortnite or goon to minecraft porn instead.


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>>136719291
Dogman and other scholastic graphic novels sell because they're in places normal people can find them like grocery stores and school book fairs. no kid is going to travel twenty miles to some sweaty nerd's rape dungeon to pick up the latest issue of spiderman if he could play fortnite or goon to minecraft porn instead.

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>>136722676
Walmart and the like would pack Spiderman if they sold.
Besides, online comic sellers are a thing.


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>>136717816
Comic writers have always been left.

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>>136720328
>>136722455
You're confusing liberal with leftist.
Comic creators of olde outside of Alan Moore were liberals, not leftists.
The former are "live and let live" types, while the latter are authoritarian "If they're not like me they should be subjugated" types, much like far right fascists.
Ideally you want creators who are center-left, centrists, or center-right, since it's how you maintain the most variety without one group just coming into power and purging everything made by people they consider their ideological enemies.
Right now American creatives are all either leftists or liberals brainwashed to behave like leftists, which is why modern American media is almost exclusively dogshit.


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>>136720328
Yeah, but 90's leftist were generally fun dudes who liked big titties. Now they are basically just another flavor of evangelicals.

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>>136720328
>>136722455
You're confusing liberal with leftist.
Comic creators of olde outside of Alan Moore were liberals, not leftists.
The former are "live and let live" types, while the latter are authoritarian "If they're not like me they should be subjugated" types, much like far right fascists.
Ideally you want creators who are center-left, centrists, or center-right, since it's how you maintain the most variety without one group just coming into power and purging everything made by people they consider their ideological enemies.
Right now American creatives are all either leftists or liberals brainwashed to behave like leftists, which is why modern American media is almost exclusively dogshit.


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>>136719291
Dogman and other scholastic graphic novels sell because they're in places normal people can find them like grocery stores and school book fairs. no kid is going to travel twenty miles to some sweaty nerd's rape dungeon to pick up the latest issue of spiderman if he could play fortnite or goon to minecraft porn instead.

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>>136722676
>Dogman and other scholastic graphic novels sell because they're in places normal people can find them like grocery stores and school book fairs.
You have it completely backwards. There is nothing stopping bookstores and grocery stores from stocking Spiderman. They just don't want to, because comics don't sell, comics don't rack well, and the profit margin on comics make them not worth the hassle. You guys blame everything except the product itself.
Fix the content, fix the form factor, and the availability problem will solve itself.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
MORE SUPERHEROES! MORE WOKE PANDERING!!


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[User] Is funny how /co/ will praise or shit on modern comics depending on if the OP mentions manga

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>>136722561
>praise modern comics
I must be picking the right threads, because I don't see that here.


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[User] I remember in like 2010 or something /co/ bragged about how manga sales paled in comparison to comics. I warned someday they would surpass if changes are not made since it has grown substantially in popularity since the year 2000. People actually mass replied me saying I was delusional and it would never happen.

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>>136708523
>Implying anybody on this board has a basic grasp of business


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>>136721148
>Even more capeshit
Let it die anon. Let it die.

Let it shrivel up and die.

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>>136721649
I mean you can still do capeshit, theres a market but not enough to enroach the whole fucking industry.
I do wonder if the big two would even be willing to do that.


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>>136720997
It's not yaoi, it's futa
>in b4 same thing

[Assistant]
>>136721585
Also drew yaoi.


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Why are all the posts remotely defending comments or bitching about this thread being deleted?

Is the janitor or mod babysitting this thread an unironic weeb?

[Assistant]
>>136724041
Based mods deleting the posts of the wannabe jannies


[System] You are an anonymous message board user. You are opinionated and use informal language. You discuss various topics.

[User] I remember in like 2010 or something /co/ bragged about how manga sales paled in comparison to comics. I warned someday they would surpass if changes are not made since it has grown substantially in popularity since the year 2000. People actually mass replied me saying I was delusional and it would never happen.

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>>136708523
post archive or it didn't happen


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>>136719186
But all indie comics are romance webtoons in trailers and euro comics are untranslated porn but most importantly they're pretentious communist gobbledygook

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>>136719620
At least the Warhammer stuff can be resold, the comics can't nowadays.


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>>136708479 (OP)
How do we save comics?

[Assistant]
>>136708489
You don't


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>>136708489
You don't

[Assistant]
>>136726346
>necrobumping an East vs West thread
I fucking hate you


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Why are all the posts remotely defending comments or bitching about this thread being deleted?

Is the janitor or mod babysitting this thread an unironic weeb?

[Assistant]
>>136724041
>>136724244
/co/ mods and jannies actively hate this place
We've known this for years
It's why E-Celebs and off-topic crap get protection


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>>136724041
Based mods deleting the posts of the wannabe jannies

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>>136724041
>>136724244
/co/ mods and jannies actively hate this place
We've known this for years
It's why E-Celebs and off-topic crap get protection


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>>136722561
>praise modern comics
I must be picking the right threads, because I don't see that here.

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>>136723421
More like defend and deflect criticism than actually praise


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So I'm just going to state the uncomfortable truth

Manga does better because the girls are cuter and more attractive.
That's it.
Regardless of whatever agenda you want to push that's the real reason.

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>>136714579
If that were true then just getting Jap artists would increase comic sales, but it doesn't.
No, it's a combination of these things, between character designs, writing, world design, philosophy, and creator outlook, they're just generally more appealing.


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>>136714579
If that were true then just getting Jap artists would increase comic sales, but it doesn't.
No, it's a combination of these things, between character designs, writing, world design, philosophy, and creator outlook, they're just generally more appealing.

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>>136728903
It's hard to want to buy something when the Creator hates you for having opinions they don't like


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>>136720328
>>136722455
You're confusing liberal with leftist.
Comic creators of olde outside of Alan Moore were liberals, not leftists.
The former are "live and let live" types, while the latter are authoritarian "If they're not like me they should be subjugated" types, much like far right fascists.
Ideally you want creators who are center-left, centrists, or center-right, since it's how you maintain the most variety without one group just coming into power and purging everything made by people they consider their ideological enemies.
Right now American creatives are all either leftists or liberals brainwashed to behave like leftists, which is why modern American media is almost exclusively dogshit.

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>>136723001
This, most people don't mind recieving a message that preaches about equality unless it actively antagonizes them, that's half the reason HBO's Watchment fails as a series.


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>>136728903
It's hard to want to buy something when the Creator hates you for having opinions they don't like

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>>136730759
Yea, I think most people would prefer if American creatives stopped spending so much time shitposting on Twitter and bitching about half of the potential readerbase.


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>>136720328
>>136722455
You're confusing liberal with leftist.
Comic creators of olde outside of Alan Moore were liberals, not leftists.
The former are "live and let live" types, while the latter are authoritarian "If they're not like me they should be subjugated" types, much like far right fascists.
Ideally you want creators who are center-left, centrists, or center-right, since it's how you maintain the most variety without one group just coming into power and purging everything made by people they consider their ideological enemies.
Right now American creatives are all either leftists or liberals brainwashed to behave like leftists, which is why modern American media is almost exclusively dogshit.

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>>136723001
I don't even mind if they're farther left, as long as they're good.
I've never had a problem with Alan Moore or some of the commie Argie writers despite them being so distant from me politically. Modern creatives, regardless of political affiliation, are devoid of skill or creativity.


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>>136723001
I don't even mind if they're farther left, as long as they're good.
I've never had a problem with Alan Moore or some of the commie Argie writers despite them being so distant from me politically. Modern creatives, regardless of political affiliation, are devoid of skill or creativity.

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>>136732240
The issue isn't so much "leftist bad, non-leftist good," only that you can't have an industry that functions if everyone is part of the same clique and goes out of their way to remove anyone who's not.
That's the main issue with America, and the point is to have a variety of outlooks of life experience so that one group can't completely take over.
It's basically the main reason why the American comic and cartoon industries are in the state they're in.


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>>136726346
>necrobumping an East vs West thread
I fucking hate you

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>>136726374
Eat shit cuck


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>>136726374
Eat shit cuck

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>>136733164
Drink bleach retard


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>>136730759
Yea, I think most people would prefer if American creatives stopped spending so much time shitposting on Twitter and bitching about half of the potential readerbase.

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>>136732168
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