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>>137026098
Well, who said we had to take the easy way?

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>>137026114
Alright come up with 3 gimmicks for those characters and what they could bring to the table


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>>137026018
>We said their personalities
Which is you trying to shift the conversation
>Green Lanterns
A false equivalency and you know it. But let’s pretend it’s the same situation (which it isn’t), at least Green Lanterns have personalized flair represented in their powers. Darla, Pedro, and Eugene don’t. Doing one of the Shazam powers, and not even shown to do them exceptionally well by comparison, is not interesting

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>>137026070
>Which is you trying to shift the conversation
I mean, it's obvious we're talking about different types of redundancy here, I don't disagree that there's not much to them right now, and that ideally they would have more unique powersets, but their personalities are all unique among them and it's not like Eugene is just like Freddy or Darla is just like Mary.
>A false equivalency and you know it. But let’s pretend it’s the same situation (which it isn’t), at least Green Lanterns have personalized flair represented in their powers.
Well, what about the Kryptonians? Or the Speedsters? Or the Amazons? Or all the non-powered Batman vigilantes? Are all those also not similar?
>Darla, Pedro, and Eugene don’t. Doing one of the Shazam powers, and not even shown to do them exceptionally well by comparison, is not interesting
Well, that's all subjective isn't it? We'll just have to wait and see how Waid handles them.


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>>137026033
Well they can have a new gimmick without needing to sacrifice their individual characters so this merging to form a superbeing wouldn't be the way I go.

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>>137026064
My idea of providing a new gimmick or idea to stand out would be more in the lines of>>137021442
>>137021633
Where different patrons of power could different flavors of magical champions like Mary would've been a more witchy champion with her patrons because I would've popped Hecate in there somewhere, have Freddy be a more roguish champion by having Ate the goddess of reckless implulse as one of the A's or Darla being a fairylike champion with Mae as the M? I could go on really but you get the Gist.


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>>137021326
Because of Lazarus Planet: Revenge of the Gods
Basically she was such a strong and heckin' valid woman by helping in the fight, the Goddesses decided to give her powers of her own so she won't have to share with Billy, her new Pantheon is:
>The Agility of Selene
>The Strength of Hippolyta
>The Stamina of Artemis
>The Flight of Zephyrus
>The Invulnerability of Aurora
>The Wisdom of Minerva
That's how she gets to have powers while the others don't, they also aren't shareable anymore after Lazarus Planet, so that's why Freddy and the others are left unpowered, for now at least.

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>>137026064
My idea of providing a new gimmick or idea to stand out would be more in the lines of>>137021442
>>137021633
Where different patrons of power could different flavors of magical champions like Mary would've been a more witchy champion with her patrons because I would've popped Hecate in there somewhere, have Freddy be a more roguish champion by having Ate the goddess of reckless implulse as one of the A's or Darla being a fairylike champion with Mae as the M? I could go on really but you get the Gist.


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>>137021481
Close, they completely ditched Ariadne, and changed some of the traits, like instead of getting Aurora's Beauty, she now gets Invincibility, which is honestly way better, Mary is already naturally pretty, she doesn't need magic for that.
>>137021554
I believe the only other times they've done it was for Convergence and Future State, when they were changing offices.

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>>137026064
My idea of providing a new gimmick or idea to stand out would be more in the lines of>>137021442
>>137021633
Where different patrons of power could different flavors of magical champions like Mary would've been a more witchy champion with her patrons because I would've popped Hecate in there somewhere, have Freddy be a more roguish champion by having Ate the goddess of reckless implulse as one of the A's or Darla being a fairylike champion with Mae as the M? I could go on really but you get the Gist.


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>>137017164
Sivana doesn't deserve to kill anyone because killing is bad, and the bad guys never win.

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>>137017313
based


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>>137026063
>>137026064
The fusion/champion swap thing is not only a precedent, but also requires teamwork and streamlined the whole thing. It’s just way easier than just working THREE characters and hoping something sticks

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>>137026098
Streamlining is kinda the problem here because it raises of why you felt it was needed to streamline them in the firstplace.


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>>137026070
>Which is you trying to shift the conversation
I mean, it's obvious we're talking about different types of redundancy here, I don't disagree that there's not much to them right now, and that ideally they would have more unique powersets, but their personalities are all unique among them and it's not like Eugene is just like Freddy or Darla is just like Mary.
>A false equivalency and you know it. But let’s pretend it’s the same situation (which it isn’t), at least Green Lanterns have personalized flair represented in their powers.
Well, what about the Kryptonians? Or the Speedsters? Or the Amazons? Or all the non-powered Batman vigilantes? Are all those also not similar?
>Darla, Pedro, and Eugene don’t. Doing one of the Shazam powers, and not even shown to do them exceptionally well by comparison, is not interesting
Well, that's all subjective isn't it? We'll just have to wait and see how Waid handles them.

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>>137026179
You know the difference between those examples and here? Introduced gradually over the years with decades of story telling, and in some cases temporary stand ins. Darla, Eugene, and Pedro have no such history.

I got to be honest anon, your posts don’t feel genuine and more like fabricated opposition just for the sake of arguing. Not accusing you, just how it feels right now. How am I wrong by asking for unique powers and gimmicks, while also frustrated at their debut? I think I’m being more than fair


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>>137026098
Streamlining is kinda the problem here because it raises of why you felt it was needed to streamline them in the firstplace.

[Assistant]
>>137026209
How?


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>>137026114
Alright come up with 3 gimmicks for those characters and what they could bring to the table

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>>137026173
I'm not a writer dude idfk uhhhhh
>Darla gets unicorn and maybe outright magic spells? Perhaps a straight up magical girl?
>Eugene maybe something to do with the Gamelands from Johns' run? Technomagic maybe?
>Pedro gets some kind of spooky ghost powers or something?
Like I said, I'm not a writer, but I'm sure an actual one like Waid could come up with something, these are just very vague concepts I just came up with right now.


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>>137026173
I'm not a writer dude idfk uhhhhh
>Darla gets unicorn and maybe outright magic spells? Perhaps a straight up magical girl?
>Eugene maybe something to do with the Gamelands from Johns' run? Technomagic maybe?
>Pedro gets some kind of spooky ghost powers or something?
Like I said, I'm not a writer, but I'm sure an actual one like Waid could come up with something, these are just very vague concepts I just came up with right now.

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>>137026268
Then don’t act like you know what to do with them, and don’t use hypotheticals as a justification


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>>137025887
I'm not talking about movie or merch sales anon, I'm talking about the actual characters and how they do have their fans, even if they're not many, they have resonated with some people.
I also think you're letting your opinion on them affect your judgement.

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>>137025948
>i'm talking about the actual characters and how they do have their fans
They dont, specially not among actual Captain Marvel fans who are the audience this series wants to comeback. The people that want more of the kids are the same people that says the name change didnt matter.


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>>137026179
You know the difference between those examples and here? Introduced gradually over the years with decades of story telling, and in some cases temporary stand ins. Darla, Eugene, and Pedro have no such history.

I got to be honest anon, your posts don’t feel genuine and more like fabricated opposition just for the sake of arguing. Not accusing you, just how it feels right now. How am I wrong by asking for unique powers and gimmicks, while also frustrated at their debut? I think I’m being more than fair

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>>137026241
>How am I wrong by asking for unique powers and gimmicks, while also frustrated at their debut? I think I’m being more than fair
Never said you were wrong, read my posts, I 100% agree with this statement, I DO want the kids to have more unique powers, and I didn't think Johns gave them good introductions, he didn't even give them hero names.
My point is about their personalities, that's what make them not redundant, which is why I said we were talking about different types of redundancy earlier.


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>>137026209
How?

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>>137026261
Bro do you not understand the optics of taking Pedro, Eugen, and Darla and just meging them into a lump character? People would obviously, and rightfully so, a rasc...ally lazy writer.


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>>137026268
Then don’t act like you know what to do with them, and don’t use hypotheticals as a justification

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>>137026301
I never said I knew what to do with them lol, just that there's better ways to handle them as their own unique heroes rather than just lumping them all into a single one.


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>>137025948
>i'm talking about the actual characters and how they do have their fans
They dont, specially not among actual Captain Marvel fans who are the audience this series wants to comeback. The people that want more of the kids are the same people that says the name change didnt matter.

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>>137026308
>They dont
Yeah they do.


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>>137026261
Bro do you not understand the optics of taking Pedro, Eugen, and Darla and just meging them into a lump character? People would obviously, and rightfully so, a rasc...ally lazy writer.

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>>137026352
Works for the Forever People, and no one bitched in Young Justice. Don’t use bullshit theoretical outrage as an argument


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>>137025948
>i'm talking about the actual characters and how they do have their fans
They dont, specially not among actual Captain Marvel fans who are the audience this series wants to comeback. The people that want more of the kids are the same people that says the name change didnt matter.

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>>137026308
I have seen some fans of the kids, mainly of Darla, but Pedro and Eugene also have some, every character is someone's favorite after all.
>not among actual Captain Marvel fans who are the audience this series wants to comeback.
I'd argue this series is probably gonna try to find a compromise, where it's closer to the good old stories, while still incorporating newer elements like the Foster family.


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>>137026301
I never said I knew what to do with them lol, just that there's better ways to handle them as their own unique heroes rather than just lumping them all into a single one.

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>>137026372
But directly do have that stance when you adamantly ask them to be as they are. You can’t have it both ways, anon. When you say “I don’t want that but I don’t know what I want” you add nothing to the discussion


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>>137026372
But directly do have that stance when you adamantly ask them to be as they are. You can’t have it both ways, anon. When you say “I don’t want that but I don’t know what I want” you add nothing to the discussion

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>>137026420
I mean, I gave you vague examples of what could be done with them >>137026268
And even then, I don't have to be a writer to give you my opinion on why lumping them all into one hero isn't ideal.


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>>137026173
I'm not a writer dude idfk uhhhhh
>Darla gets unicorn and maybe outright magic spells? Perhaps a straight up magical girl?
>Eugene maybe something to do with the Gamelands from Johns' run? Technomagic maybe?
>Pedro gets some kind of spooky ghost powers or something?
Like I said, I'm not a writer, but I'm sure an actual one like Waid could come up with something, these are just very vague concepts I just came up with right now.

[Assistant]
>>137026420
I mean, I gave you vague examples of what could be done with them >>137026268
And even then, I don't have to be a writer to give you my opinion on why lumping them all into one hero isn't ideal.


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>>137026352
Works for the Forever People, and no one bitched in Young Justice. Don’t use bullshit theoretical outrage as an argument

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>>137026393
Because the Forever People were always like that, and are also aliens.
Darla, Pedro, and Eugene are kids that have had their own unique hero forms, just turning them all into one would seem lazy, for not wanting to bother with each of them individually, and also kinda racist, for delegating them to not be their own unique heroes like the white members of the family.


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>>137026352
Works for the Forever People, and no one bitched in Young Justice. Don’t use bullshit theoretical outrage as an argument

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>>137026393
Well guess what anon? Darla, Eugene, and Pedro are not The Forever People. Your idea doesn't work, that's why Johns abandoned it as a rough draft.


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>>137026352
Works for the Forever People, and no one bitched in Young Justice. Don’t use bullshit theoretical outrage as an argument

[Assistant]
>>137026393
Of course there's gonna be some outrage about trying to streamline the 3 new Shazam kids into one hero as there's just no good reason to do it because you're effectively erasing three characters just for the sake of one


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>>137026308
I have seen some fans of the kids, mainly of Darla, but Pedro and Eugene also have some, every character is someone's favorite after all.
>not among actual Captain Marvel fans who are the audience this series wants to comeback.
I'd argue this series is probably gonna try to find a compromise, where it's closer to the good old stories, while still incorporating newer elements like the Foster family.

[Assistant]
>>137026408
Why expand on elements of a failed reboot? Why would Waid, who was supposed to write the Captain Marvel part of the Shazam anthology (with simone and Morrison) before Winnick's soft reboot pitch was favored by WB, would rely on Johns hard Reboot? Waid has his own ideas and has been trying to get the IP for 15 years. he may not nuke the entire thing, but you are fooling yourself by believing he will waste pages expanding on the work of others. Winnick desperate attempt to turn Freddy' shazam work failed, Morrison's sole pitch was rejected in favor of Johns movie friendly pitch, and now with the movies being dead Waid can do anything HE wants, and i doubt what he wants is to restore the status quo of the Johns series.
>>137026502
>Johns planned
Johns has never planned anything in his entire career, he is a dog chasing cars.


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[User] So will Waid finally have Uncle Dudley interact with Darla Dudley? I wonder if Johns planned to make Uncle Marvel black in the New 52.

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>>137026408
Why expand on elements of a failed reboot? Why would Waid, who was supposed to write the Captain Marvel part of the Shazam anthology (with simone and Morrison) before Winnick's soft reboot pitch was favored by WB, would rely on Johns hard Reboot? Waid has his own ideas and has been trying to get the IP for 15 years. he may not nuke the entire thing, but you are fooling yourself by believing he will waste pages expanding on the work of others. Winnick desperate attempt to turn Freddy' shazam work failed, Morrison's sole pitch was rejected in favor of Johns movie friendly pitch, and now with the movies being dead Waid can do anything HE wants, and i doubt what he wants is to restore the status quo of the Johns series.
>>137026502
>Johns planned
Johns has never planned anything in his entire career, he is a dog chasing cars.


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>>137026408
Why expand on elements of a failed reboot? Why would Waid, who was supposed to write the Captain Marvel part of the Shazam anthology (with simone and Morrison) before Winnick's soft reboot pitch was favored by WB, would rely on Johns hard Reboot? Waid has his own ideas and has been trying to get the IP for 15 years. he may not nuke the entire thing, but you are fooling yourself by believing he will waste pages expanding on the work of others. Winnick desperate attempt to turn Freddy' shazam work failed, Morrison's sole pitch was rejected in favor of Johns movie friendly pitch, and now with the movies being dead Waid can do anything HE wants, and i doubt what he wants is to restore the status quo of the Johns series.
>>137026502
>Johns planned
Johns has never planned anything in his entire career, he is a dog chasing cars.

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>>137026591
>Why expand on elements of a failed reboot?
Because it's the element that people like.


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>>137026408
Why expand on elements of a failed reboot? Why would Waid, who was supposed to write the Captain Marvel part of the Shazam anthology (with simone and Morrison) before Winnick's soft reboot pitch was favored by WB, would rely on Johns hard Reboot? Waid has his own ideas and has been trying to get the IP for 15 years. he may not nuke the entire thing, but you are fooling yourself by believing he will waste pages expanding on the work of others. Winnick desperate attempt to turn Freddy' shazam work failed, Morrison's sole pitch was rejected in favor of Johns movie friendly pitch, and now with the movies being dead Waid can do anything HE wants, and i doubt what he wants is to restore the status quo of the Johns series.
>>137026502
>Johns planned
Johns has never planned anything in his entire career, he is a dog chasing cars.

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>>137026591
>Why expand on elements of a failed reboot?
Because some people liked them? It's common for failed reboots to still leave their mark in a series, where future writers take good concepts and ideas from it and incorporate them into their writing.
>Why would Waid, who was supposed to write the Captain Marvel part of the Shazam anthology (with simone and Morrison) before Winnick's soft reboot pitch was favored by WB, would rely on Johns hard Reboot?
We already know he's changing some stuff, so he's not completely sticking to the Johns lore.
In >>137006092 for example, the recap Billy does is different from the New 52 origin, where he was running from bullies rather than sleeping in the subway.
>Waid has his own ideas and has been trying to get the IP for 15 years. he may not nuke the entire thing, but you are fooling yourself by believing he will waste pages expanding on the work of others.
I mean, I don't expect the kids to be main characters or something, but I'm sure Waid is going to do something with them at some point.
>and now with the movies being dead Waid can do anything HE wants
Can't call Billy Captain Marvel tho :(
>i doubt what he wants is to restore the status quo of the Johns series.
Never said he would, and that's a good thing, but I do think he's gonna use some elements from it like he said in those interviews.


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>>137026408
Why expand on elements of a failed reboot? Why would Waid, who was supposed to write the Captain Marvel part of the Shazam anthology (with simone and Morrison) before Winnick's soft reboot pitch was favored by WB, would rely on Johns hard Reboot? Waid has his own ideas and has been trying to get the IP for 15 years. he may not nuke the entire thing, but you are fooling yourself by believing he will waste pages expanding on the work of others. Winnick desperate attempt to turn Freddy' shazam work failed, Morrison's sole pitch was rejected in favor of Johns movie friendly pitch, and now with the movies being dead Waid can do anything HE wants, and i doubt what he wants is to restore the status quo of the Johns series.
>>137026502
>Johns planned
Johns has never planned anything in his entire career, he is a dog chasing cars.

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>>137026591
>Waid, who was supposed to write the Captain Marvel part of the Shazam anthology (with Simone and Morrison) before Winnick's soft reboot pitch was favored by WB
Huh, I never knew about this, I'd like to know more.


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>>137021326
Because of Lazarus Planet: Revenge of the Gods
Basically she was such a strong and heckin' valid woman by helping in the fight, the Goddesses decided to give her powers of her own so she won't have to share with Billy, her new Pantheon is:
>The Agility of Selene
>The Strength of Hippolyta
>The Stamina of Artemis
>The Flight of Zephyrus
>The Invulnerability of Aurora
>The Wisdom of Minerva
That's how she gets to have powers while the others don't, they also aren't shareable anymore after Lazarus Planet, so that's why Freddy and the others are left unpowered, for now at least.

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>>137021442
...that's a weak-ass pantheon.

Outside Minerva's WIS, which is meant to be almost exclusively war-related mind you(and she got lucky it was Minerva and not Athena or she would be more a fool), and Zephyr's flight she got powers the goddesses were NOT famous for.

I mean, Hippolyta's strength would be at best classical demi-god. Like some tons in the best case.


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>>137021442
...that's a weak-ass pantheon.

Outside Minerva's WIS, which is meant to be almost exclusively war-related mind you(and she got lucky it was Minerva and not Athena or she would be more a fool), and Zephyr's flight she got powers the goddesses were NOT famous for.

I mean, Hippolyta's strength would be at best classical demi-god. Like some tons in the best case.

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>>137026874
I mean, Hippolyta's an Amazon, so she's probably WW-tier in terms of strength I assume.


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>>137021442
...that's a weak-ass pantheon.

Outside Minerva's WIS, which is meant to be almost exclusively war-related mind you(and she got lucky it was Minerva and not Athena or she would be more a fool), and Zephyr's flight she got powers the goddesses were NOT famous for.

I mean, Hippolyta's strength would be at best classical demi-god. Like some tons in the best case.

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>>137026874
Dhould have gotten Hecate's magic or something


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>>137025369
At the very least an antagonist that comes back around later like a Jason Todd situation (though not as edgy). Think about it: Freddy’s frustrated, his body fails him, he got a taste of power and May start resenting Billy for not doing enough to get his powers back. He’s a kid, he’s allowed to feel that way. At the very least it’s an excuse to explore a new power set

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>>137025389
this is Captain Marvel, not Miracleman.

>>137025223
>>137025576
it could work with each of them being able to channel most of ONE specific power of the Gods and getting some pieces of the others so they are not complete glass cannons.

it would force them(and the writer) to be smart about how they use their abilities while still being able to assist Billy

So, yeah, basically CG He-Man 2021.


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>>137025199
>>137023571
I just hope he uses them as the modern lieutenants. No need for them to be able to control the power but cap should be able to share it.

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>>137025389
this is Captain Marvel, not Miracleman.

>>137025223
>>137025576
it could work with each of them being able to channel most of ONE specific power of the Gods and getting some pieces of the others so they are not complete glass cannons.

it would force them(and the writer) to be smart about how they use their abilities while still being able to assist Billy

So, yeah, basically CG He-Man 2021.


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>>137025523
I’m not saying they’re unsalvageable, I’m giving them a new gimmick. Why have 3 more heroes with the exact same power set? The merging thing is not only cool, but provides character conflict and already has a precedent. It’s like how Firestorm has internal squabbles, only now it’s 3 kids helming a magical being learning to work together. Darci is kindness while Pedro embraces the boastful courage. See what I mean?

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>>137025389
this is Captain Marvel, not Miracleman.

>>137025223
>>137025576
it could work with each of them being able to channel most of ONE specific power of the Gods and getting some pieces of the others so they are not complete glass cannons.

it would force them(and the writer) to be smart about how they use their abilities while still being able to assist Billy

So, yeah, basically CG He-Man 2021.


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>>137021442
...that's a weak-ass pantheon.

Outside Minerva's WIS, which is meant to be almost exclusively war-related mind you(and she got lucky it was Minerva and not Athena or she would be more a fool), and Zephyr's flight she got powers the goddesses were NOT famous for.

I mean, Hippolyta's strength would be at best classical demi-god. Like some tons in the best case.

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>>137026874
>>137026930
It could be more esoteric.


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>>137026874
Dhould have gotten Hecate's magic or something

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>>137026874
>>137026930
It could be more esoteric.


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>>137021481
Close, they completely ditched Ariadne, and changed some of the traits, like instead of getting Aurora's Beauty, she now gets Invincibility, which is honestly way better, Mary is already naturally pretty, she doesn't need magic for that.
>>137021554
I believe the only other times they've done it was for Convergence and Future State, when they were changing offices.

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>>137021633
I like the feminine energy of the trifecta of grace, beauty, and skill.


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>>137026874
>>137026930
It could be more esoteric.

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>>137027118
I liked how this one used the Martian God H'ronmeer, too bad we never got to see Billy use fire powers.


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>>137026874
>>137026930
It could be more esoteric.

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>>137027118
Here's MY ideal Pantheon:
>The Wisdom of Nyame
>The Magic of Isis
>The Spirit of Gitche Manitou
>The Power of Gnowee
>The Health of Endovelicus
>The Strength of Rudra


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>>137027118
I liked how this one used the Martian God H'ronmeer, too bad we never got to see Billy use fire powers.

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>>137027173
The Martian God who is also an avatar of Death of the Endless.


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>>137025389
this is Captain Marvel, not Miracleman.

>>137025223
>>137025576
it could work with each of them being able to channel most of ONE specific power of the Gods and getting some pieces of the others so they are not complete glass cannons.

it would force them(and the writer) to be smart about how they use their abilities while still being able to assist Billy

So, yeah, basically CG He-Man 2021.

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>>137027017
No I’d rather they mostly stop showing up aside from like events and a final issue of the arc type of thing here and there. Like the lieutenants. Like I said.


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[User] Should I pick this up when I go to the shop later today if it's still in stock? I don't want to read it here ahead of time if it's good. I don't know much about Shazam but I know people love World's Finest.

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>>137027630
Yes!


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>>137006160
Thanks for the story time, OP. I can't believe I actually enjoyed a modern comic.


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>>137025389
this is Captain Marvel, not Miracleman.

>>137025223
>>137025576
it could work with each of them being able to channel most of ONE specific power of the Gods and getting some pieces of the others so they are not complete glass cannons.

it would force them(and the writer) to be smart about how they use their abilities while still being able to assist Billy

So, yeah, basically CG He-Man 2021.

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>>137027017
Doing only one thing Billy can do collectively isnt cool


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>>137006160
Thanks for the story time, OP. I can't believe I actually enjoyed a modern comic.

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>>137028062
You should buy it so that DC knows what kind of comics people want.


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>>137026874
>>137026930
It could be more esoteric.

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>>137027118
>It could be more esoteric.
yeah, getting less straight-up physical gifts could be interesting, but it would also be a stereotype "boi has might, grill has magic".

Then again, it would probably be perfect for Freddy

>>137028155
it can be quite cool if they are more skilled at it than him.
They could also work as counter-balance: should The Campion go again out of control like Teth-Adam, his Helpers can stop him by working together.


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>>137027017
Doing only one thing Billy can do collectively isnt cool

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>>137027118
>It could be more esoteric.
yeah, getting less straight-up physical gifts could be interesting, but it would also be a stereotype "boi has might, grill has magic".

Then again, it would probably be perfect for Freddy

>>137028155
it can be quite cool if they are more skilled at it than him.
They could also work as counter-balance: should The Campion go again out of control like Teth-Adam, his Helpers can stop him by working together.


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>>137027118
>It could be more esoteric.
yeah, getting less straight-up physical gifts could be interesting, but it would also be a stereotype "boi has might, grill has magic".

Then again, it would probably be perfect for Freddy

>>137028155
it can be quite cool if they are more skilled at it than him.
They could also work as counter-balance: should The Campion go again out of control like Teth-Adam, his Helpers can stop him by working together.

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>>137028353
A stop being such an insufferable faggot


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>>137027118
>It could be more esoteric.
yeah, getting less straight-up physical gifts could be interesting, but it would also be a stereotype "boi has might, grill has magic".

Then again, it would probably be perfect for Freddy

>>137028155
it can be quite cool if they are more skilled at it than him.
They could also work as counter-balance: should The Campion go again out of control like Teth-Adam, his Helpers can stop him by working together.

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>>137028353
>Then again, it would probably be perfect for Freddy
Freddy's crutch should turn into a weapon when he transforms.


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>>137028353
>Then again, it would probably be perfect for Freddy
Freddy's crutch should turn into a weapon when he transforms.

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>>137028409
I think a "tool that can be used as a weapon but it's not its primary use" could work better.

...which I just realized it would describe a hammer, with Freddy being a lame guy turning into a divine-powered hammer-welding superhero. So I guess maybe? If one can give him something OTHER than a hammer.


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>>137006136
...a patreon-podcast is a GREAT idea to modernize Billy as kid-anchorman narrating the adventures of Captain Marvel.

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>>137006136
>>137006294
Kek, Waid found a way to get around the "loosely enforced child labor laws" thing from Thunderworld.


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>/co/ hates Mora now
You guys are silly.

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>>137008427
Don't hate him but his designs can be very hit and miss


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>>137006059
Bump


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>>137006130
I love the tiger. it's just fun.
>>137006160
I can't believe that the panel after this he just started reading off statistics.


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[User] Why are so many comic artists latin americans or from italy and spain?

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>>137031509
US money going further in their countries, also I suspect it's because their video game/movie market isn't as saturated as it is here. A lot of young artists int he US don't even think about doing comics, they want to work on movie or game concept art or if they know comics, it's as manga.


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>>137006055 (OP)
Wow this storytime thread almost reaching limit, where are You guys at Shazam 2 film?

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>>137034143
106 people wouldn't exactly make much of a difference.


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>>137006055 (OP)
Wow this storytime thread almost reaching limit, where are You guys at Shazam 2 film?

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>>137034143
Waiting for digital release to make BillyCarol edits.


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>>137006055 (OP)
Wow this storytime thread almost reaching limit, where are You guys at Shazam 2 film?

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>>137034143
Not there, because fuck Shazam. I'm a Captain Marvel fan.


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>>137034143
Not there, because fuck Shazam. I'm a Captain Marvel fan.

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>>137034944
Whatever you do, DON'T look at the title of this book.


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>>137036327
I like the side capes more than the long capes for everyone but Mary. Mary deserves a long cape.


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>>137036327
>no other images of this size found
uh.... bros?


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>>137036327
is this a leak?


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>>137036327
Is this a leak?


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>>137036327
Maybe should've waited 'til bump limit


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>>137036327
Cute I guess, but concept art doesn't necessarily confirm anything, things can change and/or get canceled mid-production, we may actually get a show or a movie out of this, or we may not, we'll just have to wait and see.


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[User] I am glad carolfags couldn't ruin this thread

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>>137038793
Why would we do that


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>>137038793
why would you taunt fate, you fool.


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[User] Not a bad start but I expected to see Garguax.

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>>137038988
He's busy at the moment. He's on a vacay patrol


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[Assistant] I like the coloring job. Looks very nice.


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[Assistant] That is so boring the artist needs some better writer or something.


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[Assistant] And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.


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[Assistant] Waid sucks, Mora's art is lazy, Billy is boring, I want a Freddy book


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[Assistant] FreddyChads are getting more and more vocal, DC should listen.


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[Assistant] Is this the main universe Shazam or Morrison's Captain Marvel?


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[Assistant]
holy shit we might get a god tier captain marvel run
this is a great start

PLEASE DONT FUCK THIS UP WAID
I LOVED YOU FOR YEARS BEFORE YOUR MARVEL SPIRAL


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[Assistant] Old costume back, the name Captain restored, brunette Freddy. The nu52 kids have no powers.


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When will Nippo the Nipponese be updated?

And Why wasnt there a Captain Fascist to complete the set with Captain Nazi and Captain Nippon?


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Super-Intelligence, Super-Wisdom, Super-Reaction Time, comic tier writers are incapable of portraying these abilities as they should, so they get glossed over/ignored.
The Wisdom of one of the wisest beings in history here being reduced to a nagging cricket telling you to eat veggies, PROBLEM?

Also it explicitly states that it grants him no super intelligence, which makes his super-repairs of the flying saucer sorta wtf?


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[Assistant] Thanks OP


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>/co/ hates Mora now
You guys are silly.


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[Assistant] OMG IS MUH HECKING WHOLESOME GOLDEN AGE CAPTAIN BACK? THE BORING ONE WITH NO CHARACTER AND ONLY 2 FRIENDS?


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[Assistant] I can only hope that Johns got paid a percentage of the realized profits and got a check for the 3 Shazamwow movies he could cash at the neighborhood grocery mart.


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I hate Freddy and his forced diversity
>oh look we have a heckin disablerino character look how woke we are


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[Assistant] It's been awhile since I've read anything Captain Marvel/Shazam related but does anyone else know he's a kid in current canon? I know there was that Superman/Shazam thing some years back. Did Injustice Supes know who he was when he yoinked him?


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>Issue 3 won't come out until September because Knight Terrors
pain


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[Assistant] The art is good, if you think otherwise you're retarded and shouldn't speak.


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[Assistant] Just call him Captain Marvel, Waid. You know you want to and everybody else wants it


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Did Fawcett Freddy name himself Captain Marvel Jr or did someone else give him that name?
Cause the fact that he can't use the term makes it sound even more inconvenient than Billy and Mary being careful of saying Shazam


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[Assistant] maptain carvel


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[Assistant] Billyfag is one of the worst characterfags on this board


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[Assistant]
Shazam! $366 million
Black Adam $393 million
Shazam!2 $133 million
 Total Trilogy: $892 million

Chud-Destroying Queen of /co/ Captain Marvel:
$1,131 million


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[Assistant] Billy might need some new villains


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Teasing Mr. Mind in the postcredits and delivering what they did is like teasing Joker and delivering Tweedle Dee and Dum in the sequel.
I mean, it was never going to break 400 million in any case, but it wouldn't have TOTALLY cratered.


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[Assistant] What is with the Dan Mora hate, exactly? Is it something to do with the art itself. Or is it something to do with his personal political leanings?


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[Assistant] I saw some concept art from a warner bros employee that suggests they're making a cartoon based off the movie characters. I won't post it because I don't want to get the artist in trouble but it exists


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[Assistant] So how does Mary still have powers?


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[Assistant] Why is Waids batting average so much higher at DC than Marvel?


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[Assistant] I’m actually fine with it just being Billy and Mary. Other kids are inoffensive but lacking in long term appeal. Also wild thought: why not make Freddy a villain?


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[Assistant] What if the remaining Shazamily just fuse together into one hero like Flashpoints Captain Thunder?


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[Assistant] I love how people are refuting the new additions are unique and memorable when not ONE person has mentioned the Asian kid by name


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[Assistant] So will Waid finally have Uncle Dudley interact with Darla Dudley? I wonder if Johns planned to make Uncle Marvel black in the New 52.


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[Assistant] Should I pick this up when I go to the shop later today if it's still in stock? I don't want to read it here ahead of time if it's good. I don't know much about Shazam but I know people love World's Finest.


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[Assistant] Why are so many comic artists latin americans or from italy and spain?


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[Assistant] hope you guys can keep a secret and not post this anywhere else


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[Assistant] I am glad carolfags couldn't ruin this thread


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[Assistant] Not a bad start but I expected to see Garguax.


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[User] What went right?

[Assistant]
>>137006138 (OP)
Moichandising


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>>137006138 (OP)
It was -- and I don't use this term lightly -- epic waffles.


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>>137006138 (OP)
It was -- and I don't use this term lightly -- epic waffles.

[Assistant]
>>137006721
>waffles
Why must you remind me of that kino as fuck episode? Invader Zim is full of those.


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>>137006138 (OP)
I'd fuck Zim


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I loved Invader Zim in middle school man. Watching it as an adult gave me some odd feelings, though...
I still loved the darker episodes (like Meat Harvest being the most obvious highlight), but then there were other episodes which... kinda made me feel physically tired? Like, Tak's episode was the biggest example: it just, would NOT stop to breathe, it was constantly moving from plotpoint to plotpoint with dialogue and humor back-to-back, making it feel like not even the jokes' punchlines have time for leaving an impact on you before they rush on ahead.
It was something that made me feel very exhausted by the end, and while that ep was the worst example, I found aspects of this "effect" in many other episodes. Lots of yelling, little breathing room. And hey, I fucking adore lolrandom humor, AND I still like the jokes themselves out of context - it's just many of the eps' pacing, that I enjoyed a bit less. I think I remember noticing it as a kid too, 'xcept back then instead of my reaction being "oh god please slow down i need to breathe," I just started zoning out instead, so I didn't remember it as well.
On that note please dont say "you're just old lol," I'm 22 and WILL cry.

How's the comic in retrospect? I remember getting thru quite a few early issues but dropped off after awhile.. mainly due to the lacking darker tones, from what i remember.

[Assistant]
>>137007085
Now that i think about it the show was rather fast, i guess i didn't notice or mind because I'd turn my brain off when watching it. As for Dark episodes i feel like no one ever talks about that one where Zim builds a time Machine and gradually Cripples Dib throughout his Childhood. I've read some of the comics but they're more quirky rather than edgy, i don't think the comics are more enjoyable if you don't read them all in one go. Also Sizz-lorr has a cool design I'm suprised the fandom overlooks him from what I've seen.


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>>137007085
Now that i think about it the show was rather fast, i guess i didn't notice or mind because I'd turn my brain off when watching it. As for Dark episodes i feel like no one ever talks about that one where Zim builds a time Machine and gradually Cripples Dib throughout his Childhood. I've read some of the comics but they're more quirky rather than edgy, i don't think the comics are more enjoyable if you don't read them all in one go. Also Sizz-lorr has a cool design I'm suprised the fandom overlooks him from what I've seen.

[Assistant]
>>137007247
*i think the comics are more enjoyable if you DON'T read them all in one go
Damn fucked up that sentence


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>>137006138 (OP)
Moichandising

[Assistant]
>>137006151
This. Zim merch dominated Hot Topic for like a decade.


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>>137007085
Now that i think about it the show was rather fast, i guess i didn't notice or mind because I'd turn my brain off when watching it. As for Dark episodes i feel like no one ever talks about that one where Zim builds a time Machine and gradually Cripples Dib throughout his Childhood. I've read some of the comics but they're more quirky rather than edgy, i don't think the comics are more enjoyable if you don't read them all in one go. Also Sizz-lorr has a cool design I'm suprised the fandom overlooks him from what I've seen.

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>>137007247
Yeah, I loved the time machine episode too! Very underlooked one imo.
I'll take your advice on not reading the comics all at once, thanks :> Maybe I'll get a better liking to them!


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>>137006151
This. Zim merch dominated Hot Topic for like a decade.

[Assistant]
>>137007379
>like
>a

For closer to two decades.


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>>137006138 (OP)
I'd fuck Zim

[Assistant]
>>137006761
Me too.


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[User] Burger King with his Burger Queen

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>>137007639
Damn i don't have any art of them on me right now but they are an OTP


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>>137006138 (OP)
Well you see, it was in the old days of paid cable television. There were probably less than 100 cartoons at the time. Not including anime


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>>137006138 (OP)
Well you see, it was in the old days of paid cable television. There were probably less than 100 cartoons at the time. Not including anime

[Assistant]
>>137007806
Zim had very poor ratings during its run.


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>>137006761
Me too.

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>>137007574
This fandom sure loved rape porn


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>>137007574
This fandom sure loved rape porn

[Assistant]
>>137008135
>loved
>past tense


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>Backseat Drivers From Beyond the Stars
>Gaz, Taster of Pork
>The Frycook What Came From All that Space
>The Most Horrible X-Mas Ever
22 minutes episodes of Season 2 are some of the most gorgeous episodes in Nick's history.

[Assistant]
>>137008492
Zim's Christmas special is one of my favorites because it's everything a Christmas special isn't. There's no heartwarming message, it's just more Zim shenanigans with a Christmas coat of paint.


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>>137008492
Zim's Christmas special is one of my favorites because it's everything a Christmas special isn't. There's no heartwarming message, it's just more Zim shenanigans with a Christmas coat of paint.

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>>137008780
I love the joke about humans being so stupid that they mistake Santa for Jesus ("everybody loves him and awaits for him to return someday to his people")


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>>137006761
Me too.

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>>137007574
>>137008135
Fuck you, Zim is not for rape.
Zim is for loving and snuggling while he makes half-hearted death threats towards you.


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>>137007574
This fandom sure loved rape porn

[Assistant]
>>137007574
>>137008135
Fuck you, Zim is not for rape.
Zim is for loving and snuggling while he makes half-hearted death threats towards you.


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>>137007574
>>137008135
Fuck you, Zim is not for rape.
Zim is for loving and snuggling while he makes half-hearted death threats towards you.

[Assistant]
>>137009759
I have lots of soft thoughts about the little guy. I love the idea of him warming up to you but never admitting it. He'll say you made him sick or poisoned him somehow because he likes being held by you, and he shouldn't be feeling weird squirmy feelings in his squeedly spooch over a disgusting human.
And yet... he doesn't try to escape. He's rationalized it in his head as gathering data for how best to destroy you. And yet, nothing ever comes of that.


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>>137007574
>>137008135
Fuck you, Zim is not for rape.
Zim is for loving and snuggling while he makes half-hearted death threats towards you.

[Assistant]
>>137009759
I want that plush...


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I think similar to Ren and Stimpy it was a very adult show and didn't really try to hide it from the kids. It knew that kids also understood these kinds of jokes and liked them.

At the same time I feel like the relationship between Jhonen and Nick was kind of a good thing. They both kind of kicked each others asses at the same time, Jhonen being this kind of edgy twat to learn how the industry really works and Nick getting the reminder of having a creator driven show and trying to make their own trends.

[Assistant]
>>137010158
You raise a very good point regarding the relationship between Nick and Jhonen. Jhonen's work is super edgy, while Nickelodeon is more kid friendly. If Zim was edgy like JTHM it wouldn't be nearly as good. There was a good balance between dark humor and toon quirkiness that I haven't seen replicated to quite the same degree since.


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I loved Invader Zim in middle school man. Watching it as an adult gave me some odd feelings, though...
I still loved the darker episodes (like Meat Harvest being the most obvious highlight), but then there were other episodes which... kinda made me feel physically tired? Like, Tak's episode was the biggest example: it just, would NOT stop to breathe, it was constantly moving from plotpoint to plotpoint with dialogue and humor back-to-back, making it feel like not even the jokes' punchlines have time for leaving an impact on you before they rush on ahead.
It was something that made me feel very exhausted by the end, and while that ep was the worst example, I found aspects of this "effect" in many other episodes. Lots of yelling, little breathing room. And hey, I fucking adore lolrandom humor, AND I still like the jokes themselves out of context - it's just many of the eps' pacing, that I enjoyed a bit less. I think I remember noticing it as a kid too, 'xcept back then instead of my reaction being "oh god please slow down i need to breathe," I just started zoning out instead, so I didn't remember it as well.
On that note please dont say "you're just old lol," I'm 22 and WILL cry.

How's the comic in retrospect? I remember getting thru quite a few early issues but dropped off after awhile.. mainly due to the lacking darker tones, from what i remember.

[Assistant]
>>137007085
I never really noticed the pace being too fast, but it wouldnt surprise me if they ended up being constrained by the running time and tried to fit too much stuff in certain episodes.


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>>137006138 (OP)
Emo kids


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>>137006138 (OP)
It's got an edgy and subversive feel to it and "lol so randum!" style humor wasn't played out then to the degree it is now. Everything about the show is pretty unique, like there aren't really any other shows like it then or now.
>>137010158
Honestly I don't know who in Nickelodeon looked at his body of work up until that point and said "yes, this is the man to make a children's cartoon for us!" Like it was all edgy underground comics about serial killers and shit, he must have gotten one hell of a reference letter from someone.


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I think similar to Ren and Stimpy it was a very adult show and didn't really try to hide it from the kids. It knew that kids also understood these kinds of jokes and liked them.

At the same time I feel like the relationship between Jhonen and Nick was kind of a good thing. They both kind of kicked each others asses at the same time, Jhonen being this kind of edgy twat to learn how the industry really works and Nick getting the reminder of having a creator driven show and trying to make their own trends.

[Assistant]
>>137006138 (OP)
It's got an edgy and subversive feel to it and "lol so randum!" style humor wasn't played out then to the degree it is now. Everything about the show is pretty unique, like there aren't really any other shows like it then or now.
>>137010158
Honestly I don't know who in Nickelodeon looked at his body of work up until that point and said "yes, this is the man to make a children's cartoon for us!" Like it was all edgy underground comics about serial killers and shit, he must have gotten one hell of a reference letter from someone.


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>>137006138 (OP)
It's got an edgy and subversive feel to it and "lol so randum!" style humor wasn't played out then to the degree it is now. Everything about the show is pretty unique, like there aren't really any other shows like it then or now.
>>137010158
Honestly I don't know who in Nickelodeon looked at his body of work up until that point and said "yes, this is the man to make a children's cartoon for us!" Like it was all edgy underground comics about serial killers and shit, he must have gotten one hell of a reference letter from someone.

[Assistant]
>>137011291
Nick contacted Jhonen because they were interested in doing a Squee! cartoon.


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>>137010158
You raise a very good point regarding the relationship between Nick and Jhonen. Jhonen's work is super edgy, while Nickelodeon is more kid friendly. If Zim was edgy like JTHM it wouldn't be nearly as good. There was a good balance between dark humor and toon quirkiness that I haven't seen replicated to quite the same degree since.

[Assistant]
>>137010333
I think Zim is just as edgy as JTHM but like you said, in a more indirect, toon way. None of the edginess ever comes through in the dialogue either, none of the characters ever go on a psychotic rant about the horribleness of the world and what they would do to people if only they had the power- Gaz is probably the closest we get but to me Zim feels oddly... optimistic. JTHM on the other hand, to me, is still hilarious, but I think it’s the ending that really plays into the overall tone. I never read it all the way through but I saw the ending, from what I remember it gives off a very sad vibe unlike Zim, which ended on an open high note. If the ending had been more like the last episode of Zim I would have called Zim a less explicit version of JTHM with aliens.


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>>137010333
I think Zim is just as edgy as JTHM but like you said, in a more indirect, toon way. None of the edginess ever comes through in the dialogue either, none of the characters ever go on a psychotic rant about the horribleness of the world and what they would do to people if only they had the power- Gaz is probably the closest we get but to me Zim feels oddly... optimistic. JTHM on the other hand, to me, is still hilarious, but I think it’s the ending that really plays into the overall tone. I never read it all the way through but I saw the ending, from what I remember it gives off a very sad vibe unlike Zim, which ended on an open high note. If the ending had been more like the last episode of Zim I would have called Zim a less explicit version of JTHM with aliens.

[Assistant]
>>137011494
Unless being edgy and being explicit are the same thing. I still think it would be good if it was as edgy as JTHM, it just that ending they would have to avoid


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>>137006138 (OP)
Nothing. Butch completely eclipsed him.


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>>137006138 (OP)
Unironically, the cancellation.

No seasoning rot, nor Nick doing the same they did to Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents.


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>>137006151
This. Zim merch dominated Hot Topic for like a decade.

[Assistant]
>>137007379
IZ merch sells like hot waffles even today in Hot Topic.


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>>137006138 (OP)
Unique show with crazy ass production, it still looks great all these years later.


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>>137006138 (OP)
it didn't force trannyshit like the rocko movie


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>>137007379
IZ merch sells like hot waffles even today in Hot Topic.

[Assistant]
>>137011731
Maybe it's just where I'm at, but I haven't seen any Zim merch at any of my local Hot Topics in quite some time, replaced with anime and Rick & Morty.


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>>137011731
Maybe it's just where I'm at, but I haven't seen any Zim merch at any of my local Hot Topics in quite some time, replaced with anime and Rick & Morty.

[Assistant]
>>137012332
>Hot Topic
Thsts still around?


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>>137012332
>Hot Topic
Thsts still around?

[Assistant]
>>137013265
Yeah, they're more or less the same as they were in 2003, just with more anime and less nightmare before christmas. (and the cute goth girl clothes have been replaced with... whatever the fuck pic related is)


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>>137006138 (OP)
good cg animation for its time, and effort put into its edgy sci-fi concepts. unabashedly a passion project. and just enough add humor to appeal to a broader audience


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>>137006138 (OP)
Best cartoon protag ever made


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>>137006138 (OP)
Best cartoon protag ever made

[Assistant]
>>137014320
He really is.


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>>137011272
I can see why so many edgy 2000s girls identified with Gaz. Her home life is pretty miserable.


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>>137011272
I can see why so many edgy 2000s girls identified with Gaz. Her home life is pretty miserable.

[Assistant]
>>137016457
>No friends
>No hobbies besides video games
>Dad is never home because of work
>Has nothing in common with her brother and can't connect with him
She probably wants Zim to destroy Earth... if it didn't have pizza and video games.


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>>137011272
I can see why so many edgy 2000s girls identified with Gaz. Her home life is pretty miserable.

[Assistant]
>>137016457
>>137016550
you have just added fuel to my gaz and zim being friends headcanon. Also her helping him from time to time in hopes of benefiting

also who's the artist and the context


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>>137016457
>No friends
>No hobbies besides video games
>Dad is never home because of work
>Has nothing in common with her brother and can't connect with him
She probably wants Zim to destroy Earth... if it didn't have pizza and video games.

[Assistant]
>>137016457
>>137016550
you have just added fuel to my gaz and zim being friends headcanon. Also her helping him from time to time in hopes of benefiting

also who's the artist and the context


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>>137006138 (OP)
Genuinely the best looking animated cartoon of all time.
100% pure aesthetic.
Too bad Jhonen Vasquez became a woke faggot who completely missed the point of his creation. Either that or Nick makes him say it was his choice to make the Zim comics and gay ass Netflix movie look like every rounded bright groomertoon.


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>>137016457
>No friends
>No hobbies besides video games
>Dad is never home because of work
>Has nothing in common with her brother and can't connect with him
She probably wants Zim to destroy Earth... if it didn't have pizza and video games.

[Assistant]
>>137016550
i like how Gaz still cares about her father...


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>>137009759
I want that plush...

[Assistant]
>>137010048
Me too, I'm pretty sure it's one of the earliest ones of them that's officially licensed ( meaning it's both really hard to find and really expensive)


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Was super into Zim in middle school. Recently got the urge to rewatch it for some reason, and now I'm pulled back in.
I don't know what it is about this show that's so captivating for so many people. Twenty years later and it still has a lot of fanart and discussion surrounding it. I can't think of any other cartoon off the top of my head that has this dedicated of a fanbase so many years later. It's oddly beautiful to me.

[Assistant]
>>137007528
>this dedicated of a fanbase so many years later
This amazes me too. Especially since the whole series is like 27 episodes long?


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>>137010048
Me too, I'm pretty sure it's one of the earliest ones of them that's officially licensed ( meaning it's both really hard to find and really expensive)

[Assistant]
>>137018277
Holy shit, officially licensed plush of a character that isn't GIR? I know a Zim one with a zippermouth was released late 2022 but damn. I'd kill for one that was easier to cuddle.


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[User] If Invader Zim were made in the modern day GIR would be the robot equivalent of an iPad kid.

[Assistant]
>>137019864
>gir discovers elsagate


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[User] Burger King with his Burger Queen

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>>137007639
it better be like that
or else it's airlock for the bug


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[User] Mentally ill lower middle class white emo girls born between 1995 and 2000

[Assistant]
>>137006737
before 95 even... for some of us, at least


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>>137006138 (OP)
a lot. it was as funny and entertaining as the cartoon. too bad it ended


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>>137006138 (OP)
I both love it for the fun inventiveness of Jhonen's sort of kiddie "Tim Burton" style, which was unique (enough) back then and still iconic for what it is. The colors, music, voice acting, and so on are all great and fun. But also...

I also think it's pretty overrated these days. It was unlike other mainstream animation because of its Indie Comics sensibility, but not NEARLY as special if you were actually a big fan of indie comics and actually reading a lot of say Slave Labor Graphics in the 1980s and the 1990s instead of watching I dunno regular cartoons. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but the novelty doesn't hold as much coming in from the world this cartoon came from (indy comics), if that makes any sense. It's still fun, but I don't know if I would say it's that best that whole sensibility has to offer, either. And there was a TON of that stuff!

I think it's very of the moment and had begun to wear really thin a good bit before the show actually ended. Gaz Taster of Pork and Mortos der Soulstealer for example were really weak. Who knows, maybe it could have recaptured the magic or even blown everything that came before out of the water and risen to a whole new level, or maybe this was something pretty simple that only had one good season in it.

Also yes the fanbase was pretty obnoxious a lot of the time and its "lolsorandumb" influence on other shows and other fandoms were mostly very negative, even when it was great with IZ itself, it was awful to see in everything else for some reason. Its influence has aged horribly, it feels like newer media and fandoms only copy the worst and most irritating "holds up sprok lolulz XP" parts of IZ and can't match the good parts.


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>>137011731
Maybe it's just where I'm at, but I haven't seen any Zim merch at any of my local Hot Topics in quite some time, replaced with anime and Rick & Morty.

[Assistant]
>>137012332
My Hot Topic still has IZ merch. And 10 year old Gorillaz merch.


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>>137016550
i like how Gaz still cares about her father...

[Assistant]
>>137017971
he's the most normal human being in this universe, for better or worse


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>>137006138 (OP)
The constraints imposed by Nickelodeon inspired writers to be creative. For example they wanted the pig boy to jump out the window and fall, but when censors thought that was too dark they came up with something much funnier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6uan_N0Mps [Embed]


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>>137017971
he's the most normal human being in this universe, for better or worse

[Assistant]
>>137022433
unless Santa is involved, but that's reasonable.


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>>137006138 (OP)
I both love it for the fun inventiveness of Jhonen's sort of kiddie "Tim Burton" style, which was unique (enough) back then and still iconic for what it is. The colors, music, voice acting, and so on are all great and fun. But also...

I also think it's pretty overrated these days. It was unlike other mainstream animation because of its Indie Comics sensibility, but not NEARLY as special if you were actually a big fan of indie comics and actually reading a lot of say Slave Labor Graphics in the 1980s and the 1990s instead of watching I dunno regular cartoons. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but the novelty doesn't hold as much coming in from the world this cartoon came from (indy comics), if that makes any sense. It's still fun, but I don't know if I would say it's that best that whole sensibility has to offer, either. And there was a TON of that stuff!

I think it's very of the moment and had begun to wear really thin a good bit before the show actually ended. Gaz Taster of Pork and Mortos der Soulstealer for example were really weak. Who knows, maybe it could have recaptured the magic or even blown everything that came before out of the water and risen to a whole new level, or maybe this was something pretty simple that only had one good season in it.

Also yes the fanbase was pretty obnoxious a lot of the time and its "lolsorandumb" influence on other shows and other fandoms were mostly very negative, even when it was great with IZ itself, it was awful to see in everything else for some reason. Its influence has aged horribly, it feels like newer media and fandoms only copy the worst and most irritating "holds up sprok lolulz XP" parts of IZ and can't match the good parts.

[Assistant]
>>137022148
i agree with you on most of this, I really don't think you can blame iz mostly because the cast and crews heart was in the right place. I have one of the art books for the series and you can tell how much time and effort went into each design and concept.

I also will say i think the style for invader zim could work very well in modern comics and cartoons, specifically cartoons. Mostly because it had such a interesting way of using form and shapes to convey a very strange and disgusting world. All the sickly thin or morbidly fat designs, all the sharp edges and triangles not even mentioning the great morbid and sickening background art. I could see a game being made in a very zim style being really fun to play. Most series go for more of those round cutesy and enjoyable color palette *cough* like into the florpus. It's not wrong but going with something so cosy can really weaken the world to a degree. Also i was funny enough talking with a buddy of mine about shows with heart i.e stuff like og episodes of fpop and how even if minor characters had depth and layers even if it's just a comedy. I feel so many shows want to be serialized but don't understand how important or at least fun it is to have layered characters rather than the just lolsorandom types. But yeah i feel we could def use more series in a zim style or just a basic concept that has some great morbid jokes that aren't so fluffy.

When it comes to the fandom yeah it got super lame and kind of toxic. With all the dibxzim heavy pushing and hate on other ships or harassing the crew to do dibxzim stuff. I will say it started off pretty good tho it was pretty nice you had stuff like invadercon and basically just tons of fun fan projects and script and leak animatics and concepts. I feel blaming zim is a bit unfair as really most of the problem comes with this new gen of lolsorandom fans, also the fact that most of the fans that run the fandom now are like 13-18 so not even the og fans.


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>>137006138 (OP)
>Very distinct and bold art style
>Amazing and atmospheric score
>The voice acting was top notch


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>>137020812
did jhonen really draw this?

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>>137025685
the copyright is to denote the original ownership of the character


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Reminder: Imgur's scrubbing its servers of anonymous content, so these doodles are gonna disappear.
https://imgur.com/a/Kd45E

[Assistant]
>>137026158
Thanks for alerting us. Does this anon still draw these?


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>>137025685
the copyright is to denote the original ownership of the character

[Assistant]
>>137026140
ah ok thought that was like a signature or him marking it.


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>>137026158
Thanks for alerting us. Does this anon still draw these?

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>>137026595
i feel like I saw more recent content from them but i won't cap


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>>137026158
Thanks for alerting us. Does this anon still draw these?

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>>137026595
I don't know if he's made any recent Zim stuff, but I have seen him do doodles for other shows, like Foster's. Or at the very least, another artist with a similar style and sense of humor.


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>>137026595
I don't know if he's made any recent Zim stuff, but I have seen him do doodles for other shows, like Foster's. Or at the very least, another artist with a similar style and sense of humor.

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>>137026786
oh do you have his foster's stuff


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>>137026786
oh do you have his foster's stuff

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>>137027078
I thought I saved it, guess not. It reposted was in the last frankie thread.


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>>137026786
oh do you have his foster's stuff

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>>137027078
>>137027151
here it is, with the original filename


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>>137027078
I thought I saved it, guess not. It reposted was in the last frankie thread.

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>>137027078
>>137027151
here it is, with the original filename


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>>137027078
>>137027151
here it is, with the original filename

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>>137027180
i love this I was expecting him to be one of those goo thread guys also why she just accept her niece fuckin a kid lol


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>>137027078
>>137027151
here it is, with the original filename

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>>137027180
Glad to see they're still around at least.


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>>137007528
>this dedicated of a fanbase so many years later
This amazes me too. Especially since the whole series is like 27 episodes long?

[Assistant]
>>137019146
46 episodes in total. 38 eps that last 11 mins, and 8 eps that last 22 mins. There's also the pilot ep and 9 scripts that were written before cancelation.


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>>137022148
i agree with you on most of this, I really don't think you can blame iz mostly because the cast and crews heart was in the right place. I have one of the art books for the series and you can tell how much time and effort went into each design and concept.

I also will say i think the style for invader zim could work very well in modern comics and cartoons, specifically cartoons. Mostly because it had such a interesting way of using form and shapes to convey a very strange and disgusting world. All the sickly thin or morbidly fat designs, all the sharp edges and triangles not even mentioning the great morbid and sickening background art. I could see a game being made in a very zim style being really fun to play. Most series go for more of those round cutesy and enjoyable color palette *cough* like into the florpus. It's not wrong but going with something so cosy can really weaken the world to a degree. Also i was funny enough talking with a buddy of mine about shows with heart i.e stuff like og episodes of fpop and how even if minor characters had depth and layers even if it's just a comedy. I feel so many shows want to be serialized but don't understand how important or at least fun it is to have layered characters rather than the just lolsorandom types. But yeah i feel we could def use more series in a zim style or just a basic concept that has some great morbid jokes that aren't so fluffy.

When it comes to the fandom yeah it got super lame and kind of toxic. With all the dibxzim heavy pushing and hate on other ships or harassing the crew to do dibxzim stuff. I will say it started off pretty good tho it was pretty nice you had stuff like invadercon and basically just tons of fun fan projects and script and leak animatics and concepts. I feel blaming zim is a bit unfair as really most of the problem comes with this new gen of lolsorandom fans, also the fact that most of the fans that run the fandom now are like 13-18 so not even the og fans.

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>>137025417
have you seen shows like hazbin hotel and helluva boss???? especially helluva boss, one of the characters is zim's voice actor.
video game similar cross between tim burton and JV style (even buglike people): hollow knight.
i almost thought after watching the first episode of helluva that it was a JV creation. no just heavy influence.
check these out when you get a chance.i think helluva is too much of a shock value edgy to be edgy on purpose in your face shit, but whatever.


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>>137006138 (OP)
The constraints imposed by Nickelodeon inspired writers to be creative. For example they wanted the pig boy to jump out the window and fall, but when censors thought that was too dark they came up with something much funnier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6uan_N0Mps [Embed]

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>>137022470
Not to mention the gags that arose from the Korean animation errors


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>>137025417
have you seen shows like hazbin hotel and helluva boss???? especially helluva boss, one of the characters is zim's voice actor.
video game similar cross between tim burton and JV style (even buglike people): hollow knight.
i almost thought after watching the first episode of helluva that it was a JV creation. no just heavy influence.
check these out when you get a chance.i think helluva is too much of a shock value edgy to be edgy on purpose in your face shit, but whatever.

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>>137027738
hmm i have heard of them but they both always gave me the vibe of just internet meme stuff and also feeling a bit to vibrant for me. Like more as in the whole point of we need more dark muted worlds. Every artist wants their world to be this beautiful wholesome place and colorful. I feel that griminess kind of similar to things like hollow knight gives a world a level of realism and bleakness.


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>>137027112
Words can't accurately articulate how much I want to ruin him. He's so adorably pathetic.

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>>137027411
membrane family hands typed this post


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>>137018277
Holy shit, officially licensed plush of a character that isn't GIR? I know a Zim one with a zippermouth was released late 2022 but damn. I'd kill for one that was easier to cuddle.

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>>137019206
Fool, that’s just Drywall in a goofy costume.


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>>137025417
have you seen shows like hazbin hotel and helluva boss???? especially helluva boss, one of the characters is zim's voice actor.
video game similar cross between tim burton and JV style (even buglike people): hollow knight.
i almost thought after watching the first episode of helluva that it was a JV creation. no just heavy influence.
check these out when you get a chance.i think helluva is too much of a shock value edgy to be edgy on purpose in your face shit, but whatever.

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>>137027738
HH/HB is like people trying to write for IZ without understanding what made IZ great in first place.
HK is great yet doesn't give IZ vibes per se, it's a very quiet game when you aren't in battle. Still a great game, but i feel Psychonauts is closer to what IZ could be as a videogame (Zim's VA is also on it).


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>>137027738
HH/HB is like people trying to write for IZ without understanding what made IZ great in first place.
HK is great yet doesn't give IZ vibes per se, it's a very quiet game when you aren't in battle. Still a great game, but i feel Psychonauts is closer to what IZ could be as a videogame (Zim's VA is also on it).

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>>137029933
i forgot Rikki (GIR's VA) is also in Psychonauts now. Considering Rikki isn't much active as VA you can see this role is on purpose, to pair Horbitz and Rikki in a same dynamic they have in IZ.


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[User] Mentally ill lower middle class white emo girls born between 1995 and 2000

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>>137006737
Where were they. I was born in 2000. Did they just not exist in my area? A tragedy. Not like id get any anyways but still


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[User] If Dib actually caught Zim, he would be famous for about a week until everyone moved onto something else.

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>>137031142
Eventually Dib snaps and runs away from his family, he will hide his identity by changing his name to Johnny (not like anyone will care about him tho), but it will only result in him getting more insane and maniac with each day...
> You know how the rest of this story go


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[User] If Dib actually caught Zim, he would be famous for about a week until everyone moved onto something else.

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>>137031142
jeez the fuck this is pretty fucked up
>>137031264
no way not the dib is nny shit, i both love and hate the concept


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>>137031142
Eventually Dib snaps and runs away from his family, he will hide his identity by changing his name to Johnny (not like anyone will care about him tho), but it will only result in him getting more insane and maniac with each day...
> You know how the rest of this story go

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>>137031142
jeez the fuck this is pretty fucked up
>>137031264
no way not the dib is nny shit, i both love and hate the concept