Xref: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu sci.crypt:15370 alt.security:9998 comp.org.eff.talk:16950 comp.security.misc:3436 comp.org.acm:1638 comp.org.ieee:1569 Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.security,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,comp.org.acm,comp.org.ieee Path: cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news.harvard.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!att-out!cbnewsh!cbnewsh.cb.att.com!wcs From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Your typical phone company involved in your typical daydream Distribution: na Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 06:15:57 GMT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: brad@clarinet.com's message of 17 Apr 93 06:13:26 GMT References: <1993Apr17.032828.14262@clarinet.com> <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> Sender: news@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (NetNews Administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant. That's the rule today. But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can't record today's plain cellular calls and then ask a judge, "Hey, can we have permission to listen to those tapes?" can they? How long do you think it will be before it becomes legal for the police to record encrypted conversations "It's not violating your privacy because we can't read the encryption without a warrant", with the usual good-faith exception if they accidentally record a non-encrypted conversation. Besides, it's covered by the Drug Exception to the Fourth Amendment... -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461