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ТРЕТА ПОСТНА СЕДМИЦА Неделя, Година А ПЪРВО ЧЕТИВО Дай ни вода да пием. Четене из книгата Изход. 17, 3-7 В онези дни: Народът жадуваше за вода и роптаеше против Мойсей и думаше: "Защо ни изведе от Египет, за да умориш от жажда нас и децата ни и стадата ни?" Мойсей извика към Бога и каза: "Какво да правя с тоя народ? Още малко и ще ме убият с камъни." И рече Господ на Мойсей: "Излез пред народа и вземи със себе си някои от старейте Израилеви; вземи в ръка и тоягата си, с която удари по водата, и иди ето, Аз ще застана пред тебе там на скалата в Хорив, а ти ще удариш в скалата, и от нея ще протече вода, и народът ще пие." Тъй направи Мойсей пред очите на старейте Израилски. И нарече това място "Изкушение", поради караницата на Израилевите синове, и защото те изкушаваха Господа, думайки: "Дали е между нас Господ или не?" Това е Божие слово. ОТПЕВЕН ПСАЛОМ Пс 94, 1-2.6-7.8-9 ( О: 8) О, да бяхте днес послушали Неговия глас: "Не ожесточавайте сърцата си." Дойдете да запеем на Господа и да възкликнем към Бога нашето спасение. Да застанем пред лицето Му с славословие и с песни да възкликнем към Него. O Дойдете да се поклоним и да припаднем, да преклоним колена пред лицето на Господа, нашия Творец,защото Той е Бог наш, и ние сме народ от Неговото паство и овци под Негови ръце. O О, да бяхте сега послушали Неговия глас: "Не ожесточавайте сърцата си, както в Мерива, както в деня на Изкушението в пустинята, дето Ме изкушаваха вашите бащи; изпитваха Ме и видяха Моето дело." O ВТОРО ЧЕТИВО Божията любов се е изляла в нашите сърца чрез Светия Дух, който ни се даде. Четене от посланието на Свети Павел Апостол до римляни. 5, 1-2.5-8 Братя: Оправдани с вяра, имаме мир с Бога чрез нашия Господ Исус Христос, чрез когото с вяра получихме и достъп до тая благодат, в която стоим, и се хвалим с надежда за слава на синове Божии. Но надеждата не посрамя, защото любовта Божия се изля в нашите сърца чрез дадения нам Дух Свети. Защото, още когато ние бяхме немощни, Христос в определено време умря за нечестивите. За праведник едва ли ще умре някой; за добрия, може би, някой и да се реши да умре. Но Бог доказва любовта си към нас с това, че Христос умря за нас, още когато бяхме грешни. Това е Божие слово. СТИХ ПРЕДИ ЕВАНГЕЛИЕТО Ив 4, 42.15 Господи, Ти си наистина Спасителят на света; дай ми жива вода, за да не ожаднявам. ЕВАНГЕЛИЕ Извор на вода, която тече за вечен живот. Четене от светото Евангелие според Иван. 4, 5-42 В онова време: Исус дойде в самарийския град, наречен Сихар, близо да землището, което Яков бе дал на сина си Йосиф. Там беше Яковият извор. Уморен, прочее, от път, Исус седеше си тъй при извора. Часът беше около шестия. Дохожда една жена от Самария да си начерпи вода. Исус й казва: "Дай ми да пия." Защото учениците Му бяха отишли в града да купят храна. Жената самариянка Му казва: "Как Ти, бидейки юдеин, искаш да пиеш от мене, която съм жена самариянка?" Защото юдеите нямат сношение със Самарияните. Исус й отговори и рече: "Да би знаела дара Божи, и кой е оня, който ти казва: "Дай ми да пия", ти сама би изпросила от Него, и Той би ти дал вода жива." Жената Му казва: "Господине, ни почерпало имаш, па и кладенецът е дълбок; отде тогава имаш живата вода? Нима Ти си по-голям от отца ни Яков, който ни даде тоя кладенец, и сам той от него е пил, и синовете му, и добитъкът му?" Исус й отговори и рече: "Всеки, който пие от тая вода, пак ще ожаднее; а който пие от водата, която Аз ще му дам, той во веки няма да ожаднее; но водата, която му дам, ще стане в него извор с вода, която тече в живот вечен." Казва Му жената: "Господине, дай ми тая вода, за да не ожаднявам и да не дохождам тук да вадя." Исус й каза: "Иди, повикай мъжа си и дойди тука." Отговори жената и рече: "Нямам мъж." Исус й казва: "Добре каза, че нямаш мъж; защото петима мъже си имала, и тоя, когото сега имаш, не ти е мъж; това право си каза." Казва Му жената: "Господине, виждам, че Ти си пророк. Нашите бащи се покланяха в тая планина, а вие казвате, че в Йерусалим е мястото, дето трябва да се покланяме." Исус й казва: "Жено, повярвай ми, че настъпва час, когато нито в тая планина, нито в Йерусалим ще се поклоните на Отца. Вие се кланяте на това, което не знаете, а ние се кланяме на това, което знаем, защото спасението е от юдеите. Но иде час, и дошъл е вече, когато истинските поклонници ще се покланят на Отца с дух и с истина, защото Отец иска такива да бъдат, които Му се покланят. Бог е Дух, и тия, които Му се покланят, трябва да се покланят с дух и с истина." Казва Му жената: "Зная, че ще дойде Месия, наричан Христос; когато Той дойде, всичко ще ни възвести." Исус й казва: "Аз съм, който говоря с тебе." В това време дойдоха учениците Му и се почудиха, задето Той разговаря със жена; ала ни един не рече: "Какво искаш?" или "Какво приказваш с нея?" Тогава жената остави стомната си и отиде в града и казва на човеците: "Дойдете и вижте един човек, който ми каза всичко, що съм направила: Да не би Той да е Христос?" Тогава те излязоха из града и идеха към Него. Между това учениците Го молеха, казвайки: "Рави, яж!" Но Той им рече: "Аз имам храна да ям, която вие не знаете." Поради това учениците думаха помежду си: "Да не би някой да Му е донесъл да яде." Исус им казва: "Моята храна е да изпълнявам волята на Оня, който Ме е пратил, и да извърша Неговото дело. Не вие ли казвате, че още четири месеца, и жетва ще дойде? Аз пък ви казвам: Подигнете си очите и погледнете нивите, че са побелели и узрели за жетва. Рече и жетварят получава награда и събира плод за вечен живот, за да се радват заедно и сеячът и жетварят. Защото в тоя случай права си е думата: Един сее, а друг жъне. Аз ви проводих да жънете онова, за което вие не сте се трудили; други се трудиха, а вие влязохте в техния труд." И много самарияни от оня град повярваха в Него по думите на жената, която свидетелствуваше: "Каза ми всичко, що съм сторила." Затова, когато самарияните дойдоха при Него, молеха Го да постои при тях. И Той престоя там два дена. И още по-много народ повярва поради словото Му. А на жената думаха: "Ние вярваме не вече поради твоето казване; защото сами чухме и знаем, че Този наистина е Спасителят на света. Това е слово Господне. или по-краткото Четене от светото Евангелие според Иван. 4, 5-15.19в-26.39а.40-42 В онова време: Исус дойде в самариянския град, наречен Сихар, близо до землището, което Яков бе дал на сина си Йосиф. Там беше Яковия извор. Уморен, прочее, от път, Исус седеше си тъй при извора. Часът беше около шестия. Дохожда една жена от Самария да се начерпи вода. Исус й казва: "Дай ми да пия." Защото учениците Му бяха отишли в града да купят храна. Жената Самариянка Му казва: "Как Ти, бидейки юдеин, искаш да пиеш от мене, която съм жена самариянка?" Защото юдеите нямат сношение със самаряните. Исус й отговори и рече: "Да би Знаела дара Божи, и кой е оня, който ти казва: "Дай ми да пия", ти сама би изпросила от Него, и Той би ти дал вода жива." Жената Му казва: "Господине, ни почерпало имаш, па и кладенецът е дълбок; отде тогава имаш живата вода? Нима Ти си по-голям от отца ни Яков, който ни даде тоя кладенец, и сам той от него е пил, и синовете му, и добитъкът му?" Исус й отговори и рече: "Всеки, който пие от тая вода, пак ще ожаднее; а който пие от водата, която аз ще му дам, той во веки няма да ожаднее; но водата, която му дам, ще стане в него извор с вода, която тече в живот вечен." Каза Му жената: "Господине, дай ми тая вода, за да не ожаднявам и да не дохождам тук да вадя. Виждам, че Ти си пророк. Нашите бащи се покланяха в тая планина, а вие казвате, че в Йерусалим е мястото, дето трябва да покланяме." Исус й казва: "Жено, повярвай ми, че настъпва час, когато нито в тая планина, нито в Йерусалим ще се поклоните на Отца. Вие се кланяте на това, което не знаете, а ние се кланяме на това, което знаем, защото спасението е от юдеите. Но иде час, и дошъл е вече, когато истинските поклонници ще се покланят на Отца с дух и с истина. Защото Отец иска такива да бъдат, които Му се покланят. Бог е Дух, и тия, които Му се покланят, трябва да се покланят с дух и с истина." Казва Му жената: "Зная, че ще дойде Месия, наричен Христос; когато Той дойде, всичко ще ни възвести." Исус й казва: "Аз съм, който говоря с тебе." И мнозина от тоя град повярваха в Него, затова, когато Самарияните дойдоха при Него, молеха Го да постои при тях. И Той престоя там два дена. И още по-много народ повярва поради словото Му. А на жената думаха: "Ние вярваме не вече поради твоето казване; защото сами чухме и знаем, че този наистина е Спасителят на света." Това е слово Господне.
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It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons! Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don’t want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that led to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that led to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it. As far as I know, there's no other statements from MLK himself that can explain further his view on the matter. His surviving Family have different views on the issue but none of them can speak for Dr. King. So how about it? Dr. King felt that homosexuality was a problem that needed psychiatric help and furthermore reaffirmed the boy's statement that "He has a problem that stems from feeling about boys the way he ought to feel about girls". LGBT rights are Civil Rights according to the A.C.L.U. so do we tear Dr. King's statues down because he was a hypocrite that only selectively supported Civil Rights? It's more absurd that you keep the statue since the 'relevance' of the person is equally outdated to their 'peer pressured therefore acceptable' views. Vaulk said:I don't honestly think it's much of a debate, it's more of an attempt to get people thinking about what they're really suggesting when they say "We should remove X statue". It's absurd to insist that someone had a particular view or opinion 50-500 years ago that doesn't conform to today's popular opinion and so we need to remove any social acknowledgement of that person as a result. Why do you say he was homophobic? I was a minister, and held a biblical view. The thought process behind taking down statues of people who have done negative things is not a simplistic binary process of "Has this person done anything wrong ever: yes./no" but rather a contextual assessment of their overall activities. I think most people will think holding homophobic opinions which he didn't seem to act on or make a big show of doesn't overshadow his work on the civil rights movement. Agreed wholly. Very nicely put btw.@EmeryPearson Dr. King did not retaliate, make fun of, protest against or anything remotely negative toward such an individual. Dr. King did the right thing and addressed the practice or the deed. The Bible teaches to condemn the sin not the sinner, and that's what Dr. King do so eloquently. The issue is people don't want to hear that what they are doing might be viewed as wrong. However, the Bible does not put a degree of severity on sin, whether it's adultery, fornication, murder, theft, lying, idol worship and so on. It's all viewed the same way. I believe if he was asked a question on adultery or fornication, he would have responded the same way. Why thank you, Sir, you were spot on with your with reminding all about Declaration of Independence, and previous SCOTUS decisions. I believe that to be a large part of the issues were are facing as a Nation. Whether gun right, freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of religion. The Bill of Rights gives equal weight to each of those rights. I know that may not be popular with some, but that's what this Country was founded on. Vaulk said:Agreed wholly. Very nicely put btw.@EmeryPearson Dr. King did not retaliate, make fun of, protest against or anything remotely negative toward such an individual. Dr. King did the right thing and addressed the practice or the deed. The Bible teaches to condemn the sin not the sinner, and that's what Dr. King do so eloquently. The issue is people don't want to hear that what they are doing might be viewed as wrong. However, the Bible does not put a degree of severity on sin, whether it's adultery, fornication, murder, theft, lying, idol worship and so on. It's all viewed the same way. I believe if he was asked a question on adultery or fornication, he would have responded the same way. The two aren't mutually exclusive and the comment was homophobic. Why do you say he was homophobic? I was a minister, and held a biblical view. The thought process behind taking down statues of people who have done negative things is not a simplistic binary process of "Has this person done anything wrong ever: yes./no" but rather a contextual assessment of their overall activities. I think most people will think holding homophobic opinions which he didn't seem to act on or make a big show of doesn't overshadow his work on the civil rights movement. Well Said. EmeryPearson said:"I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there. A phobia is an unnatural fear of something, holding a belief based on Religious text from the Bible is hardly equivalent to an unnatural fear of homosexuals. I can concede this, this would make his prejudice based out of ignorance, rather than fear. The founding fathers did not practice the Old Testament and thus did not establish the fundamental principles of the U.S. according to it. Leviticus is one of the books of the old testament and the vast majority of Christians understand that it's not to be followed but instead understood as it still contains valuable lessons. This is contradictory, if true, you would be obligated to put gay men to death. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) I'm certainly not suggesting in any way, shape or form that the DOI is or can be used as legal precedent. It is however, irrelevant that the DOI is inadmissible as precedence, the point here is that the U.S. Supreme Court Recognizes officially and formally that the spirit of the DOI is ALWAYS to be used to read the Constitution. However, the Declaration of Independence in no way can be used as legal precedent. The Constitution is the governing document of the land, which is wholly secular. I would advise you to read here to gain an understanding of what "Secular" means. I conclude that the U.S. constitution is absolutely NOT secular. The absolute supreme arbiter of the United States has formally recognized that the Constitution is based HEAVILY upon the Declaration of Independence and the Declaration of Independence is based HEAVILY upon religious principles and formal recognition of God. In order for something to be Secular...it must not be based upon religious or spiritual matters and the Constitution cannot fit that prerequisite. Even if true, the Declaration if Independence is not legal precedence nor law. It cannot supercede the Constitution which is entirely secular. The Constitution establishes the secular nature of the United States and supersedes all else. Actually, this is where you're wrong. Dr. King instructed the young Man in his article that the young man's attraction to boys instead of girls was "A problem", more specifically "A problem that would require psychiatric treatment". This does not in any way, shape or form equate "Condemning the sin not the sinner". There's certainly nothing positive or even neutral about telling someone that they're personal preference and natural physical attraction to members of the same sex is a problem for a Psychiatrist to fix. While I would agree that the connotation wasn't egregiously negative...it was negative none-the-less and certainly wasn't directed at the actions of the young Man but instead his desires. Feeling an attraction to members of the same sex instead of the opposite sex is not an action." Dr. King did not retaliate, make fun of, protest against or anything remotely negative toward such an individual. Dr. King did the right thing and addressed the practice or the deed. The Bible teaches to condemn the sin not the sinner, and that's what Dr. King do so eloquently. The issue is people don't want to hear that what they are doing might be viewed as wrong. However, the Bible does not put a degree of severity on sin, whether it's adultery, fornication, murder, theft, lying, idol worship and so on. It's all viewed the same way. I believe if he was asked a question on adultery or fornication, he would have responded the same way." Homophobic: Having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.[1]The two aren't mutually exclusive and the comment was homophobic. Why do you say he was homophobic? I was a minister, and held a biblical view. The thought process behind taking down statues of people who have done negative things is not a simplistic binary process of "Has this person done anything wrong ever: yes./no" but rather a contextual assessment of their overall activities. I think most people will think holding homophobic opinions which he didn't seem to act on or make a big show of doesn't overshadow his work on the civil rights movement. Yes, I can recognize that his prejudice was based in ignorance rather than malice. What ignorance? He was a mister! EmeryPearson said:"I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there. A phobia is an unnatural fear of something, holding a belief based on Religious text from the Bible is hardly equivalent to an unnatural fear of homosexuals. I can concede this, this would make his prejudice based out of ignorance, rather than fear. " The civil rights that protect homosexuals are legal expressions of the Human rights that they derive from and those Human rights are derivative of the Bible." This is contradictory, if true, you would be obligated to put gay men to death. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) "Dr. King did not retaliate, make fun of, protest against or anything remotely negative toward such an individual. Dr. King did the right thing and addressed the practice or the deed. The Bible teaches to condemn the sin not the sinner, and that's what Dr. King do so eloquently. The issue is people don't want to hear that what they are doing might be viewed as wrong. However, the Bible does not put a degree of severity on sin, whether its adultery, fornication, murder, theft, lying, idol worship and so on. It's all viewed the same way. I believe if he was asked a question on adultery or fornication, he would have responded the same way." Yes, I can recognize that his prejudice was based in ignorance rather than malice. To uphold them to modern standards doesn't often work with historical figures, but this is what the original post asks us to consider. Ultimately however, prejudice whether based in ignorance, or ill-intent, is still prejudice. You have convinced me that such prejudice was mild. Heb 8.5-7: They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.” 6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.[1] I've explained types and shadows several times, Look in v6 Christ has obtained...more excellent...covenant...than the old Heb 8b-9 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.[2] In v8 we see it was told in the future, God would establish a new covenant, not like the 1st. Who did the 1st belong to? Those who came out of land of Egypt (Moses, thus the Law of Moses). They did not stay true to contract with God, so He no longer has concern for Israel of old. Heb 8.13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. This clearly shows that 1st Covenant, the law of Moses, The Old Testament Law was made obsolete, it has vanished away, no long have to follow the requirements of the Old Testament. Hey 9.11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation)...v15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. [1] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society. [2] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society. [3] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society. [4] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society. [5] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society. [6] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.[7] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society. Joh 4:7-29 A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, "Give me a drink." (For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.) The Samaritan woman said to him, "How is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a woman of Samaria?" (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, 'Give me a drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water." The woman said to him, "Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock." Jesus said to her, "Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life." The woman said to him, "Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water." Jesus said to her, "Go, call your husband, and come here." The woman answered him, "I have no husband." Jesus said to her, "You are right in saying, 'I have no husband'; for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true." The woman said to him, "Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship." Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." The woman said to him, "I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things." Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am he." Just then his disciples came back. They marveled that he was talking with a woman, but no one said, "What do you seek?" or, "Why are you talking with her?" So the woman left her water jar and went away into town and said to the people, "Come, see a man who told me all that I ever did. Can this be the Christ?" Now, if you read through the account, Christ never pointedly calls out anything. Notice how he gets the woman to confess she's a harlot, he indirectly ask where her husband was (even though he new the truth), she admitted to not having none, he tells her she is correct because you have 5 husbands, and the man she was sleeping with now was not one of the five. At the beginning instead of telling her, that he was the Christ and to follow him, he ask for a drink of water. Note how she is shocked, not because he is Jesus, but Jews despised Samaritans because they were of Jewish dissent but worshiped idols and would normally refused to associate with them. They were treated like 3rd class people. Again notice how smoothly he points out her idol worship. He did not yell "You Sinner", no he once again indirectly points out her wrong doings "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. First clause - You worship what you do not know, (in other words, false gods, idol worship) Second clause - we worship what we know, (him and his companions worship Jehovah) Third clause: for salvation is from the Jews, (He's telling her that the Jews will receive salvation, not the idol worship Samaritans) Notice also that his disciples were amazed, why?, because they had been struggling to understand what Jesus had been teaching them. Yet here is a woman who does not know who he is, and she gets what he is saying. So much, that she goes running into town yelling that the she may have met the Christ. Dr King IMO handled the situation with the young man very much in the same. You can condemn the sin without be pointed and direct. Sometime, it only take a subtle hint for someone to know they have done wrong. The heritage is built on hate. The majority of the statues were built between the 1890's to 1910's and some in the 1950's to 1960's. AmericanFurryBoy said:We shouldn’t. Nor should we take down confederate statues. First off, its history, second off, for a lot of southerners, its heritage. Perhaps such an analysis is better left to homosexuals. The thought process behind taking down statues of people who have done negative things is not a simplistic binary process of "Has this person done anything wrong ever: yes./no" but rather a contextual assessment of their overall activities. I think most people will think holding homophobic opinions which he didn't seem to act on or make a big show of doesn't overshadow his work on the civil rights movement.