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For almost two years now I’ve been reading Reddit and posting material there, mostly in Programming but in other subreddits too. I’ve built up positive karma points there, I’ve never broken the site rules, and I’ve been a fairly regular reader there. A few days ago I posted a review on the new headphones I bought to the audio and headphones subreddits, and there wasn’t a single blip on them – no comments, no votes, nothing. That’s rather rare for reddit, usually there’s something. And then I noticed in the statistics on the blog that I was seeing no referrals from there at all either, which is very odd. I looked at the site and sure enough, there are the posts, so what’s happening? It’s at this point that I find that noone else can see the posts at all. And I log into my user page from a test browser which isn’t logged into my account and find that my userpage on reddit is giving a 404 error. So my first reaction is “what the…?”, and I send a message to the admins of the site asking what’s broken. Twice, in fact. I’m still waiting to hear back, five days later. In the meantime, however, I find that this is apparently standard practice for Reddit — if you’re judged to be at fault, you’re just silently dropped. They call it the zero point ban and as ways of dealing with your userbase go, it’s probably one of the more cowardly I’ve encountered. Here’s how it goes: - Firstly, you don’t document all the rules. Sure, there are basic site rules and FAQs and “Redditiquette”, but you don’t put everything in there. - Then, you let anyone at all report anyone else, without having to make a case beyond the initial accusation. - Then, you don’t let anyone know that they’ve been reported for something. - You make sure that users past records aren’t taken into account – so that even when your karma is good, it doesn’t matter. - Then you don’t let anyone know they’re being judged. - Then you don’t let anyone know if they’re found wanting. - Then you don’t tell them they’re being banned. So, I have to go digging back through the spam reporting sub-reddit (which I didn’t even know existed this time a week ago) to find I had been accused at all, and since your username isn’t actually instantly visible (it’s in the link, so you have to run your mouse over it while watching the status bar), that’s not a trivial task when someone reports someone else every few minutes: Once I found that, I thought “Well, okay, at least I can argue my case here so”. Except, no, any comment you make here doesn’t come up because you’re banned by this point. Maybe if you’d been here earlier (as in 19 hours ago when I first found this) you could have argued your case – but because you didn’t get told you were up for review (you weren’t even downvoted by the person who reported you), you didn’t know you were being judged and now you’re right out of luck. So you can comment, and the system even notes that you have commented, but noone else can see your comment. I might not even be all that annoyed, to be honest, but when you find that your accuser has been less active on the site than you, that he’s built up less karma than you have, that he’s never contributed anything original to the site and has only posted 26 links when you’ve posted over 260 (including some which were in the reddit.com top ten and which have tens to hundreds of thousands of hits) — well, that rankles. It’s just plain wrong. Granted, you couldn’t arrange things so that you must have more karma points than someone to accuse them of something, that just wouldn’t be fair either, but surely it’s only right to let people know they’ve been accused of something, right? As a way of interacting with your users go, this is not just sub-par, it’s downright sneaky. And the cynic in me thinks that the fact that this requires a minimum amount of work by the admins, and that it still generates site traffic and ad clicks, are motives for either not fixing this, or designing it this way from the get-go, and that’s even more sneaky. So now what? Well, in the greatest traditions of websites everywhere, IYDLIGTFO. Between Digg, StumbleUpon, Mixx, Propellor, Diigo, HackerNews, DZone, Buzz and others, it’s not like there isn’t any competition or alternatives aplenty. And if this is how Reddit treats its users, it’s not someplace to hang out anymore.
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Le beagnach dhá bhliain anois tá mé ag léamh Reddit agus ábhar postáil ann, den chuid is mó i Ríomhchlárú ach i subreddits eile freisin. Tá mé tógtha suas pointí karma dearfach ann, riamh mé briste na rialacha láithreán, agus Bainim do léitheoir cothrom rialta ann. Cúpla lá ó shin phost mé athbhreithniú ar na cluasáin nua a cheannaigh mé go dtí an fuaime agus cluasáin subreddits, agus ní raibh blip amháin orthu - gan aon tuairimí, gan vótaí, rud ar bith. Sin in áit annamh do reddit, de ghnáth tá rud éigin. Agus ansin thug mé faoi deara sna staitisticí ar an bhlag go raibh mé ag féachaint ar aon atreoruithe ó ann ar chor ar bith ach an oiread, a bhfuil an-aisteach. D'fhéach mé ar an suíomh seo agus cinnte go leor, tá na poist, mar sin cad atá ag tarlú? Tá sé ag an bpointe seo go bhfaighidh mé gur féidir le Noone eile a fheiceáil ar an bpost ag gach. Agus liom logáil isteach ar mo leathanach úsáideora ó bhrabhsálaí tástála nach bhfuil logáilte isteach i mo chuntas agus a fháil go bhfuil ar mo userpage ar reddit a thugann earráid 404. Mar sin, is é mo chéad imoibriú "cad é an ...?", Agus seol mé teachtaireacht a chur chuig an admins an láithreán ag iarraidh ar cad atá briste. Dhá uair, i ndáiríre. Tá mé fós ag fanacht le cloisteáil ar ais, cúig lá ina dhiaidh sin. Idir an dá linn, áfach, go bhfaighim amach go bhfuil sé seo cosúil caighdeán chleachtas do Reddit - má tá tú ag a mheastar a bheith ag an locht, tá tú díreach tar thit ciúin. Glaoch siad é an pointe cosc náid agus mar bhealaí chun déileáil le do userbase dul, is dócha ar cheann de na níos mó cowardly mé a bhíonn. Seo an chaoi a théann sé: - An gcéad dul síos, ní gá duit a dhoiciméadú go léir na rialacha. Cinnte, tá rialacha láithreán bunúsacha agus Ceisteanna Coitianta agus "Redditiquette", ach nach bhfuil tú gach rud a chur i ann. - Ansin, lig tú duine ar bith ar chor ar bith a thuairisciú aon duine eile, gan cás a dhéanamh thar an chúisimh tosaigh. - Ansin, ní gá duit a lig d'aon duine a fhios go bhfuil siad Bainim tuairiscíodh rud éigin. - A dhéanann tú cinnte nach bhfuil úsáideoirí taifid atá caite san áireamh - ionas gur fiú nuair a bhfuil do karma maith, nach ndéanann sé ábhar. - Ansin, ní gá duit a ligean fhios ag aon duine a bhíonn siad á mheas. - Ansin, ní gá duit a ligean fhios ag aon duine má tá siad le fáil ar mian leo. - Ansin, ní gá duit a insint dóibh a bhíonn siad ag á cosc. Mar sin, tá mé chun dul ag tochailt ar ais tríd an bhfo-reddit tuairiscithe spam (atá agam nach raibh a fhios fiú ann an uair in aghaidh na seachtaine ó shin) a aimsiú go raibh curtha i mo leith ar chor ar bith , agus ós rud é nach bhfuil do ainm úsáideora iarbhír le feiceáil láithreach ( tá sé i an nasc, ionas go mbeidh tú a reáchtáil do luch thar sé ag breathnú ar an mbarra stádais), ní go fánach tasc nuair a thuairiscíonn duine éigin duine éigin eile gach cúpla nóiméad: Nuair a fuair mé go bhfuil , shíl mé "Bhuel, maith go leor, ar a laghad is féidir liom a mhaíomh mo chás anseo mar sin". Ach amháin, gan aon, ní aon trácht a dhéanann tú anseo teacht suas toisc go bhfuil tú toirmeasc ag an bpointe seo. B'fhéidir más mian leat a bheith anseo níos luaithe (mar atá i 19 uair an chloig ó shin nuair a fuair mé an chéad seo) d'fhéadfaí tú a bheith an argóint do chás - ach toisc nach raibh tú a fháil in iúl go raibh tú suas le haghaidh athbhreithnithe (nach raibh tú downvoted fiú ag an duine a thuairiscigh tú), ní raibh a fhios agat go raibh tú ag á mheas agus anois go bhfuil tú ceart as luck. Mar sin, is féidir leat trácht, agus an córas nótaí fiú go bhfuil tú dúirt, ach is féidir Noone eile a fheiceáil do comment. Ní a d'fhéadfadh liom a bheith fiú go léir a chuir as, a bheith macánta, ach nuair a fhaigheann tú go bhfuil do accuser níos lú gníomhach ar an láithreán ná tú, go bhfuil sé tógtha suas níos lú karma ná mar a tá tú, riamh tá sé ar chuidigh rud ar bith bunaidh chun an suíomh agus Tá phost ach 26 naisc nuair atá tú sa phost os cionn 260 (lena n-áirítear cuid a bhí i mbarr reddit.com deich agus a bhfuil na mílte agus na céadta mílte na n-amas) - go maith, rankles sin. Tá sé díreach plain mícheart. Deonaithe, ní fhéadfaí tú a shocrú i dtreo is go gcaithfidh tú a bheith pointí karma níos mó ná duine éigin a ciontaigh dóibh rud éigin, ní bheadh a bheith díreach cothrom oiread, ach surely tá sé ach ceart chun ligean daoine ar an eolas atá siad curtha cúisí ar rud éigin, ceart? Mar bhealach chun idirghníomhú le do úsáideoirí dul, nach bhfuil sé seo ach fo-par, tá sé downright sneaky. Agus is cuí leis an cynic i dom go bhfuil an bhfíric go n-éilíonn sé seo méid íosta oibre ag an admins, agus a ghineann sé fós cad a tharlaíonn nuair ar an láithreán tráchta agus ad, tá ceannfháthanna nach bhfuil ceachtar shocrú seo, nó a dhearadh sé an mbealach seo ó fháil-dul , agus tá go fiú níos sneaky. Mar sin, anois cad? Bhuel, sna traidisiúin is mó de na láithreáin ghréasáin i ngach áit, IYDLIGTFO. Idir Digg , StumbleUpon , Mixx , Propellor , Diigo , HackerNews , DZone , Buzz agus daoine eile, nach bhfuil sé cosúil nach bhfuil aon iomaíocht nó roghanna aplenty. Agus má tá sé seo conas a déileálann Reddit cuid úsáideoirí, nach bhfuil sé someplace a scíth a ligint amach níos mó.