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Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36"But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." 41Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, "I am the bread that came down out of heaven." 42They were saying, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, 'I have come down out of heaven'?" 43Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. 44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45"It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. I have recently had some exchanges with a fellow who emailed AOMin about John 6:37-45. He doesnt believe the text supports Calvinism at all. Very nice guy ... a seminary grad who seems eager to debate. Here are some questions I asked him in our last exchange: (1) John 6:37 says: "37"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." Is it your position that the "All" that is given by the Father to the Son come to Christ? (2) Which verb/action comes first in John 6:37 - the giving by the Father, or the coming of those given? (3) Is the giving by the Father dependent on anything in man (including their decisions)? If so, where do you find this in verse 37? (4) John 6:44 says: "44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day." What is the final result of the Father's drawing according to verse 44? (5) Do you believe that the Father draws every person who has ever lived or ever will live? If so, why do so many individuals not believe? (6) According to verse 44, is the Father's drawing dependent on anything in man (including his decisions)? If so, where do you find this in the verse 44? (7) John 6:45 says: "45"It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me." Where do you find the choices of men in verse 45? (8) Are you equating "heard and learned" with "libertarian free will"? Im sure to post more on this soon =)
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Današnji datum: 10. veljače 2014. "Ja sam kruh života. OČevi vaši jedoše u pustinji manu i pomriješe.Ovo je kruh koji silazi s neba: da tko od njega jede, ne umire." Čitanje svetog Evanđelja po Ivanu U ono vrijeme: Židovi nato mrmljahu protiv njega što je rekao: "Ja sam kruh koji je sišao s neba." Govorahu: "Nije li to Isus, sin Josipov? Ne poznajemo li mu oca i majku? Kako sada govori: 'Sišao sam s neba?'" Isus im odvrati: "Ne mrmljajte među sobom! Nitko ne može doći k meni ako ga ne povuče Otac koji me posla; i ja ću ga uskrisiti u posljednji dan. Pisano je u Prorocima: Svi će biti učenici Božji. Tko god čuje od Oca i pouči se, dolazi k meni. Ne da bi tko vidio Oca, doli onaj koji je kod Boga; on je vidio Oca. Zaista, zaista, kažem vam: tko vjeruje, ima život vječni. Ja sam kruh života. Očevi vaši jedoše u pustinji manu i pomriješe. Ovo je kruh koji silazi s neba: da tko od njega jede, ne umre. Ja sam kruh živi koji je s neba sišao. Tko bude jeo od ovoga kruha, živjet će uvijeke. Kruh koji ću ja dati tijelo je moje - za život svijeta." (Iv 6,41-51). Isus je u znamenitom govoru u Kafarnaumu polako otkrivao sebe kao kruh s neba za život svijeta. Time, što je na gori umnožio kruh i ribu, dokazao je svoju čudesnu moć. Kada su Ga htjeli postaviti kraljem, upozorio je mnoštvo, neka ne misli samo na zemaljski kruh, koji prolazi, nego na nebeski kruh koji vodi u život vječni. Nastavljajući je rekao, da je On sam taj kruh i da dolazi s neba. Zato taj kruh one, koji se njime hrane, vodi u nebo. Tko jede od toga kruha, neće umrijeti, nego će živjeti u vijeke vjekova. U zadnjoj rečenici današnjeg evanđeoskog odlomka iznenađuje nas s iznenađujućom tvrdnjom: Kruh, koji ću ja dati, moje je tijelo za život svijeta. A Židovi su, veli Sv. Ivan, negodovali nad tim izjavama. Razlog je tog negodovanja bio: Mi ipak znamo, tko je taj Isus. Poznajemo Njegove roditelje, kako, dakle, tvrdi, da je došao s neba? Kako može obećavati, što je nebesko? Tu je jezgra svih Isusovih prepirki sa Židovima i svih kritika, upućenih kršćanstvu od prvih početaka do današnjih dana. Bitno je pitanje naime: da li je Isus samo čovjek, običan čovjek iz Nazareta, sin samo ljudskih roditelja, rođen samo od muža i žene, kao što smo svi ostali ljudi — ili je u Njemu nešto više, nešto drugo, nešto Božje, što Mu ljudski roditelji nisu mogli dati, nešto, što je na poseban način primio s neba, od Boga, od Apsolutnoga, Vječnoga, Beskonačnog, Svetoga. Isus tvrdi o sebi to posljednje. Kršćanstvo već dva tisućljeća ustrajava u toj tvrdnji. Nebrojeni su za tu tvrdnju dali živote. Milijuni tom istinom svakodnevno hrane svoj duh i vjeruju, da ih vodi u vječni život. Poštujemo sve, koji misle drugačije. A za sebe tvrdo ustrajmo u uvjerenju, da je Isus iz Nazareta zaista ono, što tvrdi za sebe: Kruh, koji je s neba sišao.