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“Have This Mind” [Philippians September 7, 2014 Second Reformed Church Last week we saw that since we – as Christians – are united with and in Christ by His Work and benefits to us, we ought to fill up each other’s cup of joy by doing everything we can for each other’s good – standing strong together – united – in the doctrines of salvation in the Scripture. We are not to be prideful – seeking our own interests above each other – but for the sake of the advancement of the Gospel – as members of the One Body of Christ – we are to be humble, loving servants of one another. The next section of the text which was read for us this morning is often considered the heart of this letter and, perhaps, a hymn of the early Church. In it, Paul gives the Philippians and us the greatest possible example of humility – that is, in Jesus. The overarching point of this text is that we are to strive to have the same humility that Jesus exemplified before us. Paul begins: “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,” John put it this way: “Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2, ESV). We who believe have been saved, we have been justified, we have been sanctified, and yet, we are still becoming what God has called us to be in Christ. Christ is our Head, and we have been given His Mind, through the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit, yet, we are not fully in the Image of Jesus yet. We are still being transformed into the Image of Jesus. We are still striving towards holiness. We are still striving towards being like Him. The fact that we will be like Him is assured, because God has saved us – we are not – in time and space – there yet – but we are counted are having accomplished all things through Christ, because He has accomplished them on our behalf. We are called to strive to be like Christ – to work hard to be like Him and to become in His Image, yet, it is guaranteed that we will be like Him, because His Work cannot fail. We have to struggle through the length of our lives until Jesus comes and perfects us in His Image, but we have the assurance and hope that it will happen, so we do not lose hope, but continue to strive to become what we will be. We have begun to become like Him, and we are called to strive – to work hard – to become like Him – and we shall become like Him, because He is our guarantee. “who, though he was in the form of God,” Here, Paul points to the fact that Jesus is God and has always been with God. As John wrote, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1, ESV). The word “form” indicates that Jesus the Incarnate Son of God is the same Image and Glory as the Triune God. They are One and the Same Being. Before anything was created, before time and space existed, God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – is. The Three Persons of the Godhead have always existed and are in perfect harmony and love with One Another. The Son of God Who incarnated in the Person of Jesus is always God – before the Incarnation and forevermore. We believe in One God Who exists in Three Persons. Paul wrote, “In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God” (2 Corinthians 4:4, ESV). Although the Three are distinct Persons, Jesus is the One God. Jesus was condemned for claiming to be God, as John records: “This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God” (John 5:18, ESV). Jesus is God – the Incarnate Son of God. “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.” What is Paul telling us here? This is a complicated phrase – of which much has been written. What makes sense is to understand that Paul is saying that God the Son saw nothing wrong with hiding His Majesty and Glory in the Incarnation; it was not wrong or unlawful for God to take on human flesh – to become a real human being – because the created world, including the human body, is good. We know from the Scripture that is it not possible to look upon God and live. So, for God the Son to come to earth in the Person of Jesus, He had to hide the Majesty and Glory that would kill a human to look upon. With few exceptions – like the Transfiguration – Jesus kept His Divine Glory from being seen, so humans could look upon God and live. God the Son humbled Himself by keeping back the Majesty and Glory that He has and which shows the greatness of His Worth to be worshipped, for the sake of all those who would see Him and believe that He is the Promised Savior. Jesus prayed that the Father would restore Him to His prior place of Glory after the work of salvation was done: “And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed” (John 17:5, ESV). And the Son of God humbled Himself by taking on the human person of Jesus – God became a real human being – while not being any less God. Although God humbled Himself by hiding His Majesty and Glory and joining together in the human person of Jesus – He remained fully God and He was also fully human. And He was able to do that because the body is good. If the body – if the flesh – were inherently evil – God could not have become a human being, but He did, so that is confirmation of what God said in the Creation – the body – the Creation – the physical world as created – is good. We live in a time when people tend to think that the physical is evil – that it will all be done away with in the end – that we will live as spirit beings in the Kingdom – but that is not what God has told us: Paul tells us in Romans that the whole Creation will be restored to its pre-Fall state and perfected. After the Judgment, all of the physical Creation – including our bodies – will be made perfect and eternal in His Kingdom – without sin and death and decay. God came to earth in the Person of Jesus to accomplish His Plan of Salvation. He humbled Himself by hiding His Majesty and Glory and by taking on the real human person Jesus – the One True God and a real human being, united in One Person. He denied Himself all that He was due as God – for a time – that He might save all those He intended to save. Paul wrote, “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich” (2 Corinthians 8:9, ESV). And so we see that – to be like Him – we are to put aside our glory for the sake of each other and for the advancement of the Gospel. You and I do not need to sit at the best tables. You and I do not need to be recognized and have praise heaped upon us. No, the best that we are is to be pointing back to our God and Savior, Who is so much greater than us – our only hope and salvation. Bob Dylan got it right as he sang: “You may be an ambassador to England or France You may like to gamble, you might like to dance You may be the heavyweight champion of the world You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls. But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed You're gonna have to serve somebody, It may be the devil or it may be the Lord But you're gonna have to serve somebody.” (“Gonna Serve Somebody”) Rather than being focused on how great we are, let us turn the eyes and hearts of all people to how great He is. Let us make sure that nothing about us keeps others from seeing that Jesus is God the Only Savior. And let us buffet our witness by serving each other as we have been gifted and blessed. “And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” Having volunteered to be the Savior of all those who will believe and Incarnated as the human being, Jesus, He also submitted to the will of the people – as per the Will of the Father. Jesus allowed Himself to be mistreated and falsely condemned to death by the most horrific of deaths. He lived a life of perfect obedience to the Will of the Father and for the sake of His Will, submitted to the hatred of a world that rejected Him. On the night of His betrayal, we read, “And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will’” (Matthew 26:39, ESV). And Jesus said, “No one takes [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father” (John 10:18, ESV). Although Jesus, in His humanity, did not desire to suffer the cross, for our sake and to glorify the Father, Jesus chose and accepted God’s Will. Peter explained, “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know—this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men” (Acts 2:22-23, ESV). The submission, humility, and servanthood of Jesus combined with the sin of unbelieving humans to be the means that God used to save all those who will ever believe. Jesus said, “even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:28, ESV). As Paul explained, “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Romans 8:3-4, ESV). Through living as a real human being and keeping the Law of God perfectly and taking on the sin of everyone who would ever believe, Jesus made us right with God: He paid the debt for all of our sins and gave us the credit for His perfect keeping of the Law. Theologians call this the double-imputation: our sin was imputed – credited – to Jesus, and Jesus’ Righteousness – His perfect keeping of the Law – was imputed to us. Paul explains: “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons” (Galatians And John wrote, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John And the author of Hebrews calls us to be “looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God” (Hebrews 12:2, ESV). The joy that was set before Him was the salvation of all those who would believe – to the Glory of the Father. The Son of God humbled Himself and lived a humiliating life and died a horrific death, because the joy of what would be at the end of it was greater than all He would suffer during His thirty-three years on earth – even more than death on the cross. How much are we willing to endure for the sake of the salvation of others? How much are we willing to endure to help a brother or sister in Christ? How much are we willing to endure that God would be shown to be as worthy as He truly How much are we willing to endure for the joy of everlasting salvation in Jesus’ Kingdom? The Psalmist prayed, “Not to us, O LORD, not to us, but to your name give glory, for the sake of your steadfast love and your faithfulness!” We do well to be obedient to all that God has commanded us. But even if we were obedient to everything, we would only have done what we should have done. Let us endure all for Christ’s Sake that we would show that there is One Way of Salvation through Jesus Christ and His Work Alone. “Therefore God has highly exalted him” The humiliation of the Son of God took place in stages: He was Incarnated – born of the Virgin Mary, lived a perfect life under God’s Law, suffering all the temptations that we suffer, but never sinned, was betrayed, mocked, crucified, died, and was buried. But then, since Jesus did all the Father sent Him to do, the Father physically raised Him from the dead and He ascended back to the throne at the Right Hand of God, from whence He had descended. It was only right that the Incarnate Son of God return to the glory and the power He had had with the Father from before the Creation, since He had accomplished the plan of the Triune God – the Savior had come – the way of salvation had been made in prophetic fulfillment – all that God had promised about making the Way to Salvation had come to pass. God was right to glorify in Himself and exalt Himself in joy. As Isaiah prophesied: “Behold, my servant shall act wisely; he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted” (Isaiah The author of Hebrews notes Jesus’ humiliation and exaltation: “But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone” (Hebrews 2:9, ESV). And Peter explains the exaltation as being the reason for the day of Pentecost coming to pass: “Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, [Jesus] has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing” (Acts 2:33, ESV). “and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,” Two questions here: Why was the Name bestowed on Jesus? Wasn’t the Son of God always God? Wasn’t Jesus fully God and fully human at all times? The Name was bestowed on Jesus because God the Son did not have a human self prior to the Incarnation, and now, having been restored to the throne of the Son of God at His Right Hand, what it true is announced and affirmed: the Name belongs to the Incarnate Son of God, Jesus, the unparalleled honor and universal authority which belonged to the Son of God belongs to the Incarnate Son of God, Who continues in His real human body in Heaven. The other question is: What is the Name that was bestowed upon Him? Perhaps answering the prior question has lead you to guess – if not, consider that it is the Name that we are commanded not to take in vain. If we talked about the Name in Jesus’ day, they would have known it referred to One Person – especially in its most sublime form – that Name of God – that most personal of names – revealed to Moses – YHWH. In this exaltation and bestowal upon the Incarnate Son of God, the Father is affirming that Jesus is the same God Who met with Moses in the burning bush. He is the same God Who created everything that is and reigns sovereignly over all. Jesus is the One Almighty God. Do we see how this might affect our conversation and our witness? If someone says to us, “Yes, I am a Muslim, but we all worship the same God, right?” Or, “Yes, I am a Jew, but we all worship the same God, right?” That’s not true, is We have the declaration here and throughout the Scripture that Jesus is the One God and Only Savior, so, if someone says that Jesus is less than God, or one of many gods, or just a prophet, we do not worship the same God. If the God someone worships is not Jesus, they worship another god – a false god. That is not to forget or put down the other Two Persons of the Trinity. We believe in One God and the Father is God and the Son is God and the Spirit is God – all Three are the same One God. Anyone who denies that there is One God, anyone who denies the Trinity, anyone who denies that the Father is God and the Son is God and the Spirit is God and They are the same One God, is not a Christian – and they are worshipping a false god. In love and humility we must show others who believe less that what the Scripture says that they are wrong and need to be saved. If we love our neighbors, we must tell them that there is only salvation through Jesus – the One and Almighty God. We must lovingly and humbly correct those in our churches who say that there is One God, the Father, and Jesus is a good example of what a person can be, and the Spirit is the force of love that God gives us to be good people – that is not Christianity – that is some pagan religion. Jesus is the One God – One Person of the Three Persons of the One God. He is YHWH, the Only God. “so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,” At the end of the age, when Jesus returns to judge the living and the dead – all those in heaven and one earth and under the earth – all will be raised for the Judgment, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord – He is God – He is the Promised Savior. Some of those who kneel and confess will do so out of love and humility and thanksgiving for what their Savior has done for them; some will do so, being forced to confess the truth that they have always hated and eternally despise – those who never believed in God the Savior. As Isaiah prophesied, “By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance’” (Isaiah Paul portrays Jesus’ Sovereignty like this: “that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all” (Ephesians 1:20-23, ESV). Jesus is God. He bears the Name of the One God – YHWH. He is worthy of all praise and glory and worship from all of the Creation – past, present, and future – from the first moment of Creation until the end of eternity. And God chose you and me and all believers to witness to His Salvation that He might bring people to faith and repentance and belief in Him as Savior. How well might our efforts go over if we live as prideful, arrogant, ladder-climbing people who don’t care and show love to our fellow Christians, much less anyone else? Might it not be better if we lived lives of humility like Jesus did – as a witness to Him – and in thanks for our salvation? “to the glory of God the Father.” How is Jesus’ exaltation, naming, worship, and Sovereign rule to the glory of the Father? Remember, the Three Persons are the One God, so in glorifying Jesus as God for what He has done and Who He is, the Whole Godhead is glorified. Can we imagine that final day and all the days into eternity as we join together in worshipping God and enjoying Him in all His fullness? God gave John this vision of the joy we look forward to in glorifying God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit: “Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, ‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!’ “And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, ‘To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!’ “And the four living creatures said, ‘Amen!’ and the elders fell down and worshiped” (Revelation 5:11-14, ESV). Let us seek to live lives of humility as Jesus exemplified to us. Let us desire to show our believe and worship of Him as our God and Savior. And let us seek to do all we can in love and humility for each other and all those we come in contact with, with the gifts and blessings that God has given us – praying for the salvation of all those we know and seeking to glorify God in Three Persons, as we look forward to that glorious day when all is restored and we are forever with our God and Savior in the Kingdom and in eternal joy. Let us pray: Almighty God, we thank You for our salvation, and we ask that You would make us more like Jesus in His humility. Thank You that You have guaranteed through Jesus that we will be like Him. Cause the Holy Spirit to move us more and more after His Image that we would have joy, You would be glorified, and all the world would know there is only salvation through Jesus Christ Alone. For it is in His Name, the One of the Greatest Name, we pray, Amen.
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Bog je JEDAN! Bog je JEDAN! „Bog je JEDAN!” (Galaćanima 3, 20) Jedan je Bog.Samo je JEDAN BOG! Ova doktrina je centralna u Biblijskoj PORUCI zajedno i za Stari i za Novi Zavet. Bez obzira na jednostavnost ove poruke i jasnoću s kojom ju Biblija prezentuje, mnogi koji veruju u Boga i Njegovo postojanje to ne razumeju. Uz te koji se svrstavaju među hrišćane, imamo nekoliko različitih stajališta koja se sukobljuju po pitanju božanstva. Jedan od pogleda, nazvan trinitarijanstvo tvrdi da postoje tri različite osobe u Božanstvu. Bog Otac, Bog Sin, Bog Duh Sveti, a li ipak „jedan Bog.” Izraziti hrišćanski monoteisti veruju u JEDNOGA BOGA, ali i dalje veruju da je punina Božanstva manifestovana (očitovana) u HRISTU. Oni veruju da je Otac, Sin, i Duh Sveti manifestacije, modeli, službe, ili odnosi kako se jedan Bog objavio ljudima. Veruju u nevidljivo jedinstvo Boga i puninu Božanstva Isusa Hrista i često koriste termin „onenes” kako bi opisali svoje verovanje. Klasično objašnjenje doktrine o Jednom Bogu pronalazimo u Ponovljenom Zakonu 6, 4: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.”Ovaj redak Pisma postao je jako karakteristična i važna stavka za Jevreje. Oni to nazivaju „SHEMA” (ŠEMA), poslije prve reči fraze na Hebrejskom: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.” Tradicionalno, pobožno Jevreji uvek pokušavaju ovo učiniti ispovedanjem vere pre svoje smrti. PRIRODA BOŽJA „Bog je duh, i koji mu se klanjaju, moraju mu se klanjati u duhu i u istini." (Jovan 4, 24) Naš mali ljudski um ne može istražiti i shvatiti svo to znanje o Bogu, ali Biblija opisuje jako važne karakeristike i atribute koje Bog posjeduje. Bog je Duh. On je nevidljiv osim ako ne izabere da se manifestira u formi vidljivoj ljudima. "Lica mojega ne možeš ugledati; jer ni jedan čovjek ne može me vidjeti i ostati živ." (Izlazak 33, 20) „Boga niko nije vidio nikada.” (Ivan 1, 18; 1. Ivanova 4, 12) „Koji jedini ima besmrtnost i prebiva u svjetlosti, kojoj se ne može pristupiti; kojega nitko od ljudi nije vidio.” (1. Timoteju 6, 16) Ali Bog je svoju prirodu otkrio čovječanstvu naročito kroz vidljive manifestacije. IMENA I TITULE BOŽJE „I nema ni u jednom drugom spasenja; jer nema drugoga imena pod nebom danoga ljudima, u kojem treba da se spasimo." (Djela 4, 12) Čak niti kroz to mi u potpunosti ne možemo shvatiti Boga, Bog koristi više načina da nam pokaže Sebe. Jedna od tih metoda je korišćenje različitih imena i titula da bi otkrio Sebe. „YAHWEH” (Jehova) je otkupiteljsko ime Božje u Starom Zavjetu (Izlazak 6, 3-8.). „Sam Gospod, to je ime moje. Časti svoje ne dajem drugomu, slave svoje ne dajem idolima.“ (Izaija 42:8.). To podrazumeva da postoji Samo-postojeći Jedan ili Jedino Večni Bog. Ovaj koncept javlja se u frazama „Ja sam Onaj koji Jesam!” „JA SAM” korištenih od Boga osobno. U Starom Zavjetu, Bog postupno više otkriva Sebe u potrebama u životima ljudi, i On koristi imena da bi izrazio se otkrivajući Sebe. Kada je Avraam trebao jagnje za žrtvu, Bog je Sebe otkrio kao JAHVE JIRAH, Bog koji proviđa. Kada je Izrael trebao oslobođenje, Bog se otkrio u imenu JAHVE prethodno nepoznatim značenjem sa poštovanjem za oslobođenje i spasenje. Kada je Izrael trebao zaštitu od bolesti i tegoba, Bog se otkrio kao JAHVE-RAPHA, Bog koji ozdravlja. Kada je Izrael trebao pobjedu nad neprijateljima, Bog je otkrio Sebe kao JAHVE-NISSI, Bog naša Zastava. Ova imena i titule opisuju skupa sva očitovanja važnih aspekata o prirodi Božjoj. Kada je došla punina vremena Bog je želio objaviti se Njegovom narodu i Sebe otkriti u svoj Njegovoj moći i slavi kroz IME ISUS. Isus znači JAHVE SPASITELJ, JAVE NAŠE SPASENJE ili Jahve je SPASENJE. I zato anđeo kaže: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime Isus; jer će on izbaviti narod svoj od grijeha njegovih." (Matej 1, 21) ISUS JE BOG „Jer u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva tjelesno.” (Kološanima 2, 9) Činjenica da je Isus Bog čvrsto je utemeljena na Pismu kao činjenica da je JEDAN BOG. Biblijsko učenje da Isus je potpuno Bog i potpuno čovjek. Isaija 9, 6 je jedan od najmoćnijih dokaza da je ISUS BOG: „Jer nam se rodi dijete, sin nam se dade. Vlast počiva na plećima njegovim, 'čudo od savjetnika' glasi ime njegovo, 'Jaki Bog, 'Otac vječni', 'Knez mira'.” Izrazi dijete i sin ukazuju na utjelovljenje, ili na manifestaciju „moćnoga Boga!” a „Oca Vječnoga!” Novi Zavjet također ispovijeda da je ISUS BOG. Toma je ispovedio Isusu obadvoje: GOSPOD I BOG (Jovan 20, 28.) Prema Delima 22, 28, crkva je otkupljena sa Božjom vlastitom krvlju, zapravo HRISTOVOM KRVLJU. Pavle Isusa opisuje kao „našega velikoga Boga i Spasitelja, Isusa Hrista.” (Titu 2, 13,) BOG SE MANIFESTOVAO U TELU Činjenica da je Isus Bog nužno podrazumijeva da je Bog uzeo ljudsko telo. To je činjenica o kojoj Biblija kaže: „I kao što je priznato, velika je tajna pobožnosti: On se javio u tijelu, opravdao se u Duhu, pokazao se anđelima, propovijedao se neznabošcima, vjerovao se u svijetu, uznio se u slavi.” (1. Timoteju 3, 16) Jovan 1, 1-15 predivno uči koncept Božjeg manifestovanja u telu. U početku bijaše RIJEČ (LOGOS). Riječ nije posebna osoba ili odijeljeni Bog ništa više nego što je ljudska reč odvojena osoba od čoveka. Pre je Reč bila planirana u Božjim mislima. „U početku bijaše Riječ, i Riječ, bijaše u Boga, i Bog bijaše Riječ.” (Jovan 1, 1) Utelovljenje (inkarnacija) je postojala u naumu Božjem pre postanka sveta. U naumu Božjem Jagnje je ubijeno pre utemeljenja sveta (1. Petrova 1, 19-20; Otktivenje 13,8.). OTAC, SIN, DUH SVETI „Ja i Otac smo JEDNO.” (Jovan 10, 30) ”Ja ću moliti Oca i On će vam dati drugoga Tješitelja... Duha ISTINE!” (Jovan 14, 16-17). Da li termini Otac, Sin i Duh Sveti označavaju tri različite osobe ili osobnosti u Božanstvu? Ili pak oni otkrivaju tri različite uloge, modela, funkcije, ili službe kroz koje Jedan Bog deluje i otkriva sebe? Bog je Otac, On nije samo Otac Sinu već Otac svemu stvorenju (Malahija 2, 10; Jevrejima 12, 9). Isus naučava puno puta da je Bog naš Otac (Matej 5,16, 45, 48). Učio nas je moliti: ”Oče naš koji jesi na Nebesima.” (Matej 6, 9). Termin „Sin Božji” odnosi se na Boga kao manifestovanog u telu u osobi Isusa Hrista za spasenje čovečanstva. Ime Sina je ISUS: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime ISUS." (Matej 1, 21). „Otac” se odnosi samo na Božanstvo kao utjelovljenje u čovečanstvu. Jovan 14, 10 kaže nam da je Otac u Sinu. Ako je Duh Sveti jednostavno Bog, zašto je potreban ovaj termin? Razlog zašto se naglašava osobni aspekt Božji. Naglašava da je On svet, sveprisutan, i nevidljivi Duh koji radi među svim ljudima posvuda i koji može ispuniti ljudima srca. Kada govorimo o Svetome Duhu, mi se podsećamo na Božje nevidljivo delovanje među ljudima i Njegove sposobnosti da pomazuje, krsti, ispunjava, i prebiva u ljudskim životima. ZAKLJUČAK Pa šta možemo reći o Bogu? Prvo, tamo je Jedan nevidljivi Bog koji ne postoji u više različitih osoba. Drugo, Isus Hrist je punina Božjeg utelovljenja. On je Bog Otac – Jahve u Starom Zavetu- manifestovan u telu. SAV BOG je u ISUSU HRISTU, i u Njemu imamo sve što nam je potrebno. JEDINI BOG kojeg ćemo u Nebu videti je ISUS HRIST. Poslednji put izmenio SION dana 2015-01-20, 15:53, izmenio ukupno 5 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! On se naziva Sin Božji, jer je začet u utrobi Marije. Bog nikada nije smislio drugi duh. Bog nije osmislio Večnoga Sina. Sinovstvo je proizišlo iz začeća i nije večno. Sin samo može biti rođen NAKON što je žena zatrudnela. Bog nikada nije dao začeće nekoj ženi pre Marije. Bog nikada nije imao sina pre Marijinog začeća osim Isusa Hrista. To dete je Božji jedinorođeni Sin. Sada je Isus večan - što će reći da je " Njegova punina vlasti, mir nema nikada kraja.", Isaija 9:07. Ali Sin Božji nije postojao dok nije začet ljudski i telesno u utrobi Marije. Pre je Isus bio zamišljen kao čovek, Bog je bestelesan. Bog je SAMO DUH. JEDAN nepodeljen Duh. Samo Bog rodio je jedno dete u svoj večnosti. To je razlog zašto je Isus učio, u Jovanu 3:16, da je on "jedinorođeni Sin."Isus je bio rođen - začet - kada je Duh Sveti zasjenio Mariju. Ona je začela čoveka - dete u svojoj utrobi. Duh Sveti zasenio je Mariju i začet je Isus. To čini Duh Sveti- Otac Isusa. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba zamišljenog Trojstva. To ima smisla (da je Duh Sveti i Otac). Obratite pažnju na ove izjave: Bog Otac je Duh. Duh Sveti je Duh. Bog je samo jedan duh. Bog Otac je Sveti. Sveti Duh je Sveti. Obe tvrdnje su da je Otac Isusa Hrista. Stoga .. Otac je Duh Sveti. Duh Sveti je Otac. Otac nije prva osoba Trojstva. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba Trojstva. Otac je Duh Sveti. Isus je telesno punina Božja. Duh prebiva u njemu. Kada napokon stanemo pred prestolje Božje na nebu, videćemo samo jedno prestolje sa samo jednom osobom koja sedi na tom prestolju. Da, Jedna osoba će biti tamo i ta osoba će biti i Bog Otac i JAGNJE istodobno. Jovan je rekao: "Evo, prijestolje je postavljeno na nebu, a JEDAN je sjedio na prijestolju," Otkrivenje 04:02. Jovan ga naziva, "prijestolje Božje i Jaganjetovo", Otkrivenje 22:01. Bog i Jaganjac su jedan, sedi na prestolju JEDAN. Ako vidite Isusa, videćete Jagnje, ali i ćete videti Boga. Punina Božja jeste u Hristu. Isus je rekao: "Ja i moj Otac smo jedno," (Ivan 10:30). On je takođe rekao: "Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" (Ivan 14:09). Je li Isus doista znači da je on i Otac su bili ista osoba? Ili je on samo znači nešto apstraktno poput: "Ja i moj Otac izgledamo vrlo slično"? Ili je on samo, "Ja i moj Otac smo jednojajčani blizanci"? Ili je on samo, "Ja sam klon od Oca"? Ili je On, "Ja sam pljunuta slika Oca"? Ne morate pogađati. Pavle je odgovorio da je, rekavši da je Isus "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. Napomena: Apostol Pavle je učio nauku Jedinstva Boga! Bog ima samo jednu sliku: Isusa Hrista! Bog ima samo jedno telo: Isusa Hrista! Bog je nevidljivi Duh. Njegovo jedino telo je Isus. Zapamtite, Mojsije je rekao da Jahve je jedan. On će uvek biti jedan. On nikada neće biti dva ili tri. Bog će uvek biti samo jedan Gospod. Opet i opet, Bog naglašava izjavljujući da on je jedini - SAM. " Ovako veli Gospodin, otkupitelj tvoj, tvorac tvoj od krila materina: "Ja sam Gospod, stvoritelj svega, koji sam razapeo nebo, sam raspostro zemlju, - tko mi je pomogao?” Isaija 44:24. " Ne bojte se i ne plašite se! Nijesam li ja to davno rekao i objavio, vi ste mi svjedoci: ima li bog osim mene? Ne, nema drugoga boga. Ne znam nijednoga.," Isaija 44:8. "Ja sam prvi i ja sam posljednji: osim mene Boga nema," Isaija 44:6. Nema množine u tim izjavama, nema više osoba. Ako želite videti tačno kako je Bog izgledao u večnosti kroz prošlost, POGLEDAJTE unatrag u večnost da biste videli tu izvornu formu. Uklonite sve što je Bog ikada stvorio, sve dok ništa ne ostane osim Boga. Uklonite čovečanstvo. Uklonite svaku zver, pticu i morska stvorenja, svaku biljku, stablo i cvet. Uklonite zemlju i njen nebeski svod. Uklonite Sunce, Mesec i sve zvezde. Uklonite prestolje Božje. (David reče u psalama 103:19, "Jahve je pripremio svoje prijestolje na nebesima." (Čak i prijestolje je stvorio.) Uklonite grad nebeski. Njegov "graditelj i tvorac Bog", Hebrejima 11:10. Uklonite sve anđela i demone. Oni su svi bili stvoreni od Boga. SADA: Pogledajte u BESKONAČNOG u tami večne prošlosti. Koji oblik vidiš? Kako to Bog izgleda? Vidiš li neka tri čoveka kako hodaju uokolo u svemiru? Apsolutno ne! Vidite li tri bića, druženje i razgovor? Apsolutno ne! Samo ćete naći jedan Duh koji nastanjuje sve u svemu. JEDAN BOG. JEDAN Jahve. Nevidljivi. Nedjeljiv. Bog.Otac.Duh Sveti. U tom trenutku, nije bilo Sina. Sin ne bi došao u postojanje do 4000 godine u prošlo vreme . Isus je potvrdio činjenicu da je Bog nevidljiv. On je rekao farisejima: " Ali glasa njegova niti ste kad čuli, ni lica njegova nijeste vidjeli;," Jovan 5:37. Vi nikada niste vidjeli Njegov oblik. Bog nema oblik! Jovan naglašava: "Nijedan čovjek nikada nije vidio Boga u bilo kojem trenutku," Jovan 1:18. Isus Hrist je bio samo utelovljenje Boga! "Riječ je tijelom postala i nastanila se među nama" Jovan 1:14. "Ko je vidio Mene vidio je i Oca." Filip je pitao Isusa da "nam pokaže Oca." Isus je odgovorio: "Nisam bio tako dugo s vama i još me ne znaš, Filipa? Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" Jovan 14:8-9. ISUS "Njegovo [Božja] telo, punina Onoga koji ispunjava sve u svemu," Efežanima 1:23. Jovan 1:10 nam govori da je "On je bio u svijetu, i svijet po njemu, a svijet ga ne upozna." Jevreji su odbili da veruju da je njihov otac bio u telu Hristovu. No, on je bio u Hristu. "Bog je u Hristu" "Naime, da Bog je u Kristu pomirio svijet sa sobom", 2.Korinćanima 5:19. Pavle opisuje tu misteriju Timoteju: "Bog je bio očitovan u tijelu," Timoteju 3:16. "Punina božanstva Tjelesna" "U Njemu prebiva sva punina božanstva [Božanstvo] tjelesno", Kološanima 2:09. "Došao je k svojima, a Njegova ga ne primiše", Jovan 1:11. Nevidljivi Bog iznenada pojavio, a oni nisu znali ko je On zapravo! Isaija je prorekao da će njegovo ime biti "Emanuel", što znači "Bog s nama", Isaija 7:14, Matej 1:23. "Slika Boga nevidljivoga" Pavle je učio u korintskoj crkvi da je Hrist "slika Boga", 2. Korinćanima 4:4. On je učio kološansku Crkvu da je Sin "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. "Jer se je dopalo Bogu (Otac), da u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva (Otac u Njemu)", Kološanima 1:19. To je razlog zašto je Ivan rekao: "Riječ je tijelom postala." Isus Krist je Jahve Spasitelj koji je došao u telu. U stvari, vrlo je jasno značenje imena "Isus" koje je: "Gospod Spasitelj."Isus je objasnio, "Ja sam došao u ime Oca svoga" Jovan 5:43. Isus nije klon Boga Oca. On nije duplikat božanstva. On nije ”Jehova Mlađi.” On nije su-jednak ili su-večan s Ocem. On nije druga osoba od tri osobe koje postoje. Isus je Otac (večni Duh) očitovan u Sinu (čoveku-telu)! Isus, govoreći kao ČOVEK insistirao da on nije bio jednak s Ocem kad je rekao: "Moj Otac je veći od mene", u I. Otac je veći od Sina! Bog je večni Duh. Sin je čovek rođen od Marije. Isus je to rekao. Otac je rekao, u Isaiji 42:8, "Moju Slava neću dati drugome." Otac i Sin NISU su-jednaki ili su-večni kao što to tvrdi doktrina Trojstva. Isus Hrist nije drugi član božanstva. Isus je čovek u kome prebiva Otac. Jedinstvo Boga je večni nauk od Boga, to je doktrina koja se veruje i propovedala svima u ranoj Crkvi. Doktrina Jedinstva Boga (eng. Oneness) kaže da je večni, nevidljivi Duh (Otac) objavio se u ljudskom telu - Hristovu. Bog je u Hristu. Bog Otac nikada nije izumeo ili stvorio "Boga Sina." To je bogohuljenje, krivoveran pogrešan naziv. Fraza "Bog Sin" nikada se ne pojavljuje u Bibliji. Sin Božji je "rođen od žene" (ne u večnosti, ne u prošlosti) kako kaže Galaćanima 4:4, a "to što je u njoj začeto (govori anđeo Josipu) od Duha je Svetoga", Matej 1:20. U Luki 1:35, "Anđeo odgovori i reče joj, Duh Sveti sići će na te i sila će te Svevišnjega zasjeniti: Zato će se to sveto što je od tebe rođeno zvati Sin Božji.""Začet od Duha Svetoga" znači "Duh Sveti je Otac." U Mateju 01:20, Anđeo je rekao Josipu: "Josipe, sine Davidov, ne boj se uzeti k sebi Mariju, ženu svoju; jer što se je začelo u njoj, od Duha je Svetoga."To nam jasno pokazuje da Duh Sveti je zapravo Otac, jer Ivan je rekao Sin Čovječji "Jedinorođenac od Oca",Jovan 1:14. Ljudsko tijelo Isusovo nije samo začeto od (njegova) Duha Svetoga - Oca, ali je takođe vidljiva ljuska u kojoj je zapravo smešten Otac. Ako Duh Sveti je treća osoba Trojstva, onda prva osoba Trojstva nije otac! Apsolutno je nemoguće pomiriti ove biblijske stihove osim doktrine Jedinstva Boga (oneness) koju naučavamo. Nadalje, ako je Bog Trojstvo tj. tri osobe, a ako je Isus punina božanstva TELESNO, tu međutim imamo tri osobe u Isusovom telu! Naravno, to je apsurd! Isus je punina Boga telesno jer OTAC (Sveti Duh) prebiva u Njemu. Bog nije tri osobe. Bog Gospodin naš je jedan Gospodin. On je JEDAN DUH. To je Duh Oca, koji se je utjelovio u telo Isusa. Punina Boga je Otac i On je u telu Isusa. Svi propovednici u prvom stoleću Crkve razumeli su ko je Isus bio i šta je tvrdio da je. Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je On Bog utelovljen.Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je Bog Otac s neba sišao u telu čoveka. Poslednji izmenio SION dana 2014-08-16, 01:35, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! Doista zanimljivo. Re: Bog je JEDAN! A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Ako je Isusovo carstvo VEČNO kako onda On prestaje biti CAR po učenju nekih? Oni uzimaju ovaj stih kao dokaz: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Hajdemo ovaj stih provući kroz Biblijske poruke da vidimo o čemu je reč. 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. Čujemo da Isus kao spasitelj predaje nekome CARSTVO ali prvo mora UKINUTI nešto a to je POGLAVARSTVA,VLASTI i SILE. U drugom dolasku koji očekujemo Isus će ratovati i uzeti svete i sići da CARUJE tu TEK počinje carovanje i ne ukida ništa jer satana i dalje je živ i živeće mnoštvo grešnika van granica svete zemlje. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. Znači u milenijumu POČINJE CARSTVO i traje 1000 godina a da li prestaje čućemo. Tek kad SVE neprijatelje stavi pod noge (budu prah ili u jezeru) onda je prestanak takve vrste carstva sa tom službom. Mi čitamo da je posle milenijuma pušten satana i da mnoštvo neprijatelja želi rat, dakle ni tad još nije sve to ispunjeno. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. Čitamo da posle milenijuma ide sukob i onda SUD a posle suda ukida se smrt i od tad više NEMA NEPRIJATELJA, ko nema neprijatelja od tad? Nema Isus kao TELO i CAR U TELU a nemaju ni sveti Njegovi. Čujmo sad pažljivo: 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ovo zahteva koncentraciju,Ko SVE pokorava pod čije noge? Isus U TELU treba ukinuti svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast jer TELO to može učiniti isto kao što je trebalo doći da OTKUPI sad dolazi da CARUJE a potom to TELO ima zadnju službu a to je ZATIRANJA svih neprijatelja. Kome TELO to priprema čist put? Onome koji je DUH i po kojem TELO dođe u Mariju i na svet. Ali ponovo želim da pazite na dvojnu obrnutost rečenica sa značenjem pišite i polako čitajte ove redove: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Da li ste zbunjeni? Imamo li kontradikcije u Biblijskom izveštaju? NEMA. Izjava da je Isusovo carstvo večno i da ima presto i da vlada stoji i ne prestaje. A šta zapravo prestaje? Hajde da ne pišem odma da do toga zajedno dođemo. Ovakve stvari inače zadržavam za crkvu gde<se detaljno sve radi ali evo ovaj deo želim podeliti i sa vama. Molim vas ponovo pratite i naglas govorite redom ko kome ravna put-priprema teren da preda carstvo pa napišite vaš zaključak biće mi drago da zajedno čujemo šta ČUJEMO. Re: Bog je JEDAN! SION :: A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Meni se sviđa onaj deo što pravi paralelu zato ga i zalepih mada imam svoje ali neka bude iz više izvora. Ono ispod paralela mi nije dobro ali neću više da vadim iz tekstova šta je po meni ispravno već nudim celinu a zato ću reći dokle je dobro. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Jep ЊeMy Baљa цapoBaTи дokлe He пoлoжи cBe HeпpиjaTeљe cBoje пoд Hore cBoje. A пocлeдњи ћe ce HeпpиjaTeљ ykиHyTи, cMpT. Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Mislim da znate šta želim reći,to je ta zanimljivost koja obično promakne ako se čita a ne sluša. Evo kako ja to ČUJEM: Isus ukida svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast ali tekl posle milenijuma i suda. A kako O to može ukinuti kad to Otac treba da čini? Ko je sudija svoj zemlji? Piše Bog a čitamo da će Isus suditi. A onda kaže: Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Isus pokorava sve pod noge Božje i kad sve ISUS POKORI ali Isus nije pod nogama onog kome sve pokori da bi u sledećem stiglo kako i Isus biva pokoren Bogu koji Isusu sve pokori da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Tako će se Bog konačno u celosti i sili i slavi moći pokazati. Ne više kao stradalno telo i ne više kao ratnik već kao silni Stvoritelj i večni car svega. To je moje verovanje i razumevanje ove teme. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Pitaj Kainosa. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kojи ce roд oдpичe CиHa Hи Oцa HeMa; a kojи пpизHaje CиHa, и Oцa иMa. Ko odriče ISUSA taj je laža. Znači, neko može reći da veruje u Boga ali Isusa da ne priznaje kao Božjeg Sina taj je lažac ali tu nije kraj komentara o takvima pa kaže dalje: Ko odriče SINA taj nema BOGA....kako, pa oni Boga veruju samo Isusa kao Sina ne priznaju šta im to smeta?Nisu oni Boga odrekli već SAMO Sina....a onda kaže da onaj ko nema Sina taj nema Boga kao Oca....zašto? Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić :: Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Ne mogu ljudi to shvatiti jer su te titule proglasili nekim ličnostima i osobama i neće da čuju da je Bog postao telo koje se naziva ISUS HRIST Sin Božiji ALI i Čovečiji! Dakle sva punina Božanstva telesno, a ne polovina ili trećina! Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Nema Kainosa....mislio sam da ima pitanja u vezi toga ko je Bog i ko se kome moli i sl. možda ga prošlo pa ga ne interesuje više kako se Bog mogao javiti u telu i istovremeno biti izvan tela. Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Nema ni Tripa koji reče da je Isus YHWH, ali nije Otac. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve....nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu kad svako razuman ce vam reci da u ovom stihu vidimo dvije osobe...ne samo u ovom nego u stotinu drugih.... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Evo kainosa...kainos kao iskusni menadzer foruma izaija95.lollb.com radi na povecanju clanstva na svom forumu...ovdje pisem da pomognem SIONU jer ja volim klasicne forume a vecina otisla da raspravlja na facebook... Zašto si osnivao novi forum kad si na izaija95.lollb.com imao veliki broj članova? kainos :: vidim da je SION isto dobar menadzer i da je dovukao dosta ljudi samo sto ne pisu... Ne možeš ih puškom naterati da pišu.. kainos :: Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve.... Ovde piše JEDNOG Oca i JEDNOG Isusa Hrista od koga i kroz koga je sve. Jesu li dvojica stvarala sve ili jedan? kainos ::nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu Iskreno ne znam ko je to niti znam tu doktrinu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Pa forum izaija95 je dobro radio a ja kao admin sam imao obaveza i nisam mogao sve to pratiti....i onda pojavom facebooka forumi pocinju propdati...pa onda sam otvorio novi pa je dobro radio i onda ih prebacio na ovaj zadnji pa je isto dobro radio...onda kad nisam bio aktivan malo je opao kad se posvetim opet proradim..trazim clanove kao i ti na svim stranama facebooku i tako.... Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... Znaš da piše na mnogo mesta da je JEDAN stvarao i voleo bih čuti koja to DVOJICA stvaraju reci im IMENA? Možeš li mi pomoći oko onoga što Jovan reče kao bio Bog i iz Boga izlazi kao neka REČ i ta REČ postaje TELOM, da li je to Bog umnožio-reprodukovao ili je došao U TELU? Ako se reprodukovao onda si u pravu ima ih više a ako nije onda je ostao JEDAN kako i reče, a taj jedan stigao za glasom koji viče poravnite staze BOGU NAŠEM (nisu znali da ima više Bogova pa jedninu koristili) i pitaju Boga pokaži nam OCA i On kaže TOLIKO SAM SA VAMA I JOŠ ME NE ZNATE znaju li ga danas svi? I nastavlja OD SAD I POZNAJETE GA I VIDESTE GA kojeg su to Boga videli što im ga Isus pokaza? Koji to Bog dođe za glasom koji viče PORAVNITE STAZE BOGU NAŠEM? koji je to Bog što se zove OTAC VEČNI, BOG SILNI (tu je samo jedan-šteta nije poveo i onu dvojicu). Pavle je kriv, on reče kako se BOG umesto BOGOVI javio U TELU umesto U TELIMA i tako zaveo ljude na JEDNOG BOGA i JEDNO IME. Šta je Arije učio možemo li o tome? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Može stotinu katolika doći i pisati o pretvaranju hleba u telo i prinositi hleb kao žrtvu i nuditi kipove i ikone i koja korist? Može stotinu Branhamovaca nuditi polni odnos satane sa Adamom i Evom kao znak drveta spoznanja i koja korist? Može stotine Js doći i pisati kako nema darova Duha i kako je Isus prvo stvorenje a Duh energija i koja korist? Može doći stotinu satanista i nuditi truglove-piramide i zrake sunca i slobodu od Božje reči i koja korist? Bog podržava onog što podržava Božju reč i svedoči za istu a sve ostalo vetar odnosi i nestaje jer je slama i pljeva. Sponsored content » IVF i astrologija » jedan astrolog mi je rekao da cu preci u lezbejke?? molim vas , da li je tako nesto moguce?? » uporedni horoskop » 2. i 3. kolo obelezila tri velika derbija i jedan sraman dogadjaj!