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Is it disrespectful to hide geocache in cemeteries? Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:27 PM Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:40 PM Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:55 PM Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:57 PM BlueDeuce, on 14 January 2013 - 06:40 PM, said: And don't hide on a grave, under or on a marker, or in such a way to cause seekers to disrespect the a grave or the setting. I've encountered some where the hide required finders to climb on markers to reach up into a tree to get the cache. Those get NAs from me real fast. There have been some other disrespectful placements as well. Stick to the outer edges of the cemetery if you can or an out of the way tree or something. If you want to bring people to a specific gravesite, then do an offset/multi by having folks get info from the site to determine the coords of the final elsewhere. For example, get the year of birth and year of death and do math with those numbers to determine the final lat. and long. As long as caches and cachers are respectful, cemetery hides can be fun, educational, and fascinating. Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:58 PM An option that I enjoy - especially with cemeteries - is an offset Multi: 1) pick a notable grave marker or monument in the cemetery with legible markings 2) use that location as the posted coordinates, but hide no container there 3) put instructions on the cache page how to use the markings on the monument/headstone to find the actual coordinates of the cache - the physical container with the log (outside the cemetery) Example: "The headstone at the posted coordinates reads 'Joe Smith, ABCD-EFGH' Cache is located at N 27 00.AFH W 80 00.BBG" More concrete example - http://coord.info/GCVW0K Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:48 PM Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:43 PM BlueDeuce, on 14 January 2013 - 07:48 PM, said: I second that. Cemeteries caches are our favorite, we always take the time to read some tombstones. They can be quite interesting especially the very old ones. Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:47 AM Laval K-9, on 14 January 2013 - 08:43 PM, said: BlueDeuce, on 14 January 2013 - 07:48 PM, said: I second that. Cemeteries caches are our favorite, we always take the time to read some tombstones. They can be quite interesting especially the very old ones. Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:56 AM Laval K-9, on 14 January 2013 - 08:43 PM, said: I enjoy multis in graveyards where the final coordinates are calculated from information on the stones. That gives me a good excuse to read lots of them. To answer the title's question: hiding a geocache in a cemetery isn't inherently disrespectful, but it isn't inherently respectful, either. A lot of these people aren't visited very often, but that doesn't mean they'll put up with people being rude to them when they are visited. Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:08 AM Laval K-9, on 14 January 2013 - 08:43 PM, said: BlueDeuce, on 14 January 2013 - 07:48 PM, said: I second that. Cemeteries caches are our favorite, we always take the time to read some tombstones. They can be quite interesting especially the very old ones. And don't forget the stone and metal artwork that is just waiting to be rediscovered. Some of it is quite detailed and sophisticated while other work is very primitive but no less beautiful. Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:28 AM I've visited a lot of really really old cemeteries looking for caches. Just yesterday, I visited a really old one. So old, the headstones were unreadable. I managed to see a date on one of them... Date of Death: 1828 I personally enjoy visiting the old cemeteries. I enjoy reading the headstones and imagining what the area looked like when they were buried. This post has been edited by Lieblweb: 15 January 2013 - 06:29 AM Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:46 PM Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:48 PM Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:06 PM scamplover08, on 14 January 2013 - 06:27 PM, said: There are many caches hidden in Mt Hope Cemetery. I don't think looking for a cache is disrespectful as long as one doesn't disturb grave sites. Hell the spirits may offer clues Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:11 PM Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:25 AM Laval K-9, on 14 January 2013 - 08:43 PM, said: BlueDeuce, on 14 January 2013 - 07:48 PM, said: I second that. Cemeteries caches are our favorite, we always take the time to read some tombstones. They can be quite interesting especially the very old ones. Also some of historical significance (pilgrims, famous citizens, war heroes, sad occasions such as flu epidemic etc. But be extra careful with your thought process and planning for a cemetery cache - and ensure that you are being respectful to non cachers and cachers alike. Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:38 PM Posted 07 March 2013 - 09:06 PM Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:15 PM Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:20 AM Mark Case Education Forum Moderator Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:29 PM markcase, on 08 March 2013 - 03:20 AM, said: Mark Case Education Forum Moderator I am confused as to what you are telling us NOT to discuss. "History, historic significance, cultural importance, etc." is not an actual complete sentence. Are these things that should NOT be mentioned in this thread? The wording of your statement is not clear. Please clarify. Thank you. Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:35 PM Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:04 PM As a matter of fact I have adopted a cache that was once just a marker for a for a gentleman that lived in the area. Nobody knew who he really was as he was a loner in the area. Then about 20 years after his death someone stumbled upon the marker and JUST HAD TO KNOW. So they did the research and footwork on the gentleman. Turns out he was a civil war survivor. He had lost his family during the war and had no place to go so he packed up and moved. So yes, they are great forms of education. I am always pointing out things when I take my kids in one to do cache. I also make them understand where are and that they should treat each plot with respect. Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:23 AM There is a global gravestone documentation project if people are interested http://www.gravestonephotos.com/ Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:50 AM Semper Questio, on 15 January 2013 - 06:08 AM, said: So true. That's the best part of cemetery visits for me. Both old and new headstones. The new etched stones can say so much about the deceased and some can be quite artistic. The old traditional headstones and crosses are really interesting especially when viewing different cultures and their traditional markers . Here's a forum discussion that some might find interesting: Pictures - Cemetery Cool Caches Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:06 AM [/quote Someone in WV had a TB number insbcribed on the back of his mother's gravestone. You log the cache by discovering the trackalbe. So it kinda already happened. Bet that was hard to explain to the stone engraver. This post has been edited by baack40: 21 March 2013 - 03:07 AM Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:45 AM Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:02 PM Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:03 PM Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:07 AM Please read my post: http://forums. This cemetery is very old and should be for the poor souls to rest, not for having a game played on their graves. I respect what you guys are doing, so please respect them. This post has been edited by JR-Keyz: 11 April 2013 - 01:44 PM Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:35 PM Mark Case Education Forum Moderator Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:34 PM There's a multi in my area that has you visit a cemetery, a war memorial and a church to find the container. It's well worth the effort and appropriately listed. And yes it was geared towards learning. I think one part was about the youngest drummer in the American Civil war. Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:09 PM Posted 12 April 2013 - 03:37 PM TheWeatherWarrior, on 12 February 2013 - 10:11 PM, said: Also keep in mind that the guidelines include "all local laws apply". There are some states where it is illegal to 'play games' in cemeteries. Check with your local reviewer if you are unsure about your state. Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:57 AM Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:11 PM Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:40 AM Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:44 PM Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:12 PM McJo2, on 07 May 2013 - 09:40 AM, said: I will agree with this. Very disrespectful. And I have no idea what any of this discussion has to do with education? Should be a Geocaching Topics, where it has been discussed many times. Despite what another posted: I think that most geocachers find it disrespecful. But, again, how is this an education topic? Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:43 PM Mark Case Education Forum Moderator
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Koordinate Posted 07 May 2014 - 01:21 PM Hvala! Posted 07 May 2014 - 04:57 PM Cachevi mogu biti različiti, te za njihovo postavljanje treba misliti na puno stvari, a čovjek ne razmišlja o svemu ako nema dovoljno iskustva. Npr, ako na cache može pasti kiša, to znači da treba biti ili vodonepropustan, ili staviti logbook u nepropusnu vrećicu. Koliko sam ja samo cacheva našao s totalno mokrim logbookom, gdje je očigledno bilo da će se smočiti. Pa to da ne nestane kad prvi muggle prođe kraj njega - imamo par recentnih primjera gdje cache nije preživio ni par dana, što je isto bilo očigledno. Ostali vremenski uvjeti, životinje, djeca, vjetar, slabi magnet, loš selotejp, krhka kutija, itd itd su razlozi zašto cachevi nestaju. Dobar cache mora imati razlog zašto bi ga ja išao tražiti - ILI je stvar u skrivanju, pa se traži određena vještina/znanje da ga se nađe, ili je mjesto gdje je skriven po nečemu zanimljivo (najbolje je kad je kombinacija od oboje), da bi ja htio otići tamo. I tu ima puno negativnih primjera. Moje iskustvo prilično potvrđuje ovaj službeni savjet naveden gore. Naravno, vidio sam i slučajeve gdje ljudi s par ili čak nula pronađenih cacheva postavljaju odlične stvari, ali to je više izuzetak nego pravilo. Uglavnom, ne bi sad htio nikoga obeshrabriti, ali ovo sam morao spomenuti. Ako i dalje misliš da si u stanju postaviti pristojan cache, koordinate je lako naći. Koji god uređaj koristiš za geocaching, moraš na njemu imati nekakav kompas, na kojem je u principu pišu koordinate cachea kojeg tražiš, strelica u kojem smjeru moraš ići (možda i cijeli kompas sa stranama svijeta), te tvoja trenutna pozicija, koja se mijenja kako se krećeš. E, ta tvoja trenutna pozicija je to što ti treba. Pričekaj malo na mjestu da se signal stabilizira, a ako pleše, uzmi neku srednju vrijednost. Ako postavljaš cache u gradu, odredi točnu lokaciju pomoću Google Eartha ili Street View-a u Google Street Maps. Ako je negdje u šumi/prirodi, to ti ne pomaže. Ako misliš da koordinate nisu jako precizne, nastoj u hintovima točno objasniti gdje treba ići. I na kraju (ovo moram reći, jer sam vidio toliko srušenih zidova u zadnje vrijeme), izbjegavaj kamene suhozidove (one sa samo složenim kamenjem, bez cementa). Bez obzira koliko su koordinate precizne, te postoji li spoiler slika, hint ili slično, cacheri će svaki zid u datom vremenu rasturiti do neprepoznatljivosti. S druge strane, ako imaš kuću za rušenje, možeš uštedjeti gomilu para ako sakriješ cache u zid, i daš hint "in the wall". Za par mjeseci, kuće više neće biti... :-) Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:05 AM lijepo je da imamo novih zainteresiranih lica koji ze žele navuć na ovu "ovisnost" Zbog ove igre sam obišao mnoga mjesta u okolici, na moru, u inozemstvu, koje nisam ni sanjao da ću vidjeti i pokazalo se da često ni lokalni ljudi nisu znali za neke svari A sve to zahvaljujući dobro postavljenim keševima! Zato se u potpunosti slažem da treba mlo iskustva da bi skužili gdje i kako postaviti nešto, a da to traje i puno ljudi to obiđe. Ja bi čak rekao i preko 50-ak kom. ili uz pomoć nekog iskusnog Cachera) čisto iz razloga, što možda se kutija može postaviti na neki interesantan nači, a također i težine mogu biti razne, pa će to dodatno privući kešere Sama kutija mora biti najmanje 161m od postojećeg Cachea, tako da je najbolje napraviti multi, a tu će netko iskusniji puno pomoći. Ja na Androidu, koristim "GPS Averaging", s tim da pokušam zapamtit neko veće drvo, stazu ili zgradu, pa onda to još povjerim sa "Google Earthom", pa malo korigiram. Jer uvijek postoji tolerancija od 4-16m, a posebno ako je blizu zgrade ili u uskoj ulici (pa uređaj ne vidi neke satelite) i onda je odstupanje veće. Još jedna napomena, Cachevi ne mogu biti "komercijalni", što znači da na neki način reklamiraju lokal, dućan... Sve to prije nego se objavi na netu, pregleda Reviewer (službena osoba), koji ti vrati poruku da nešto izmjeniš, ako nešto ne štim po pravilima Geocachinga. Najčešće su to logotip na slici, ako se opisuje neki službeni komercijalni objekt ili je u blizini neki već postavljeni Cache. Nadam se da te/vas nisam previše zagnjavio, želim vam puno zabave, a probaj te se pojaviti na nekom Eventu (okupljanju) geocachera, pa će te upoznati interesantne face i dobiti puno info/uputa i sve što vam bude trebalo za ovaj interesantni hobby Boris Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:47 AM Hvala Vam što ste odgovorili na moje pitanje i pomogli mi.. Da, znam da je malo čudno što sam dosad skupio 4 cachea i već želim postavljati svoje cacheve.. Naravno, kao što sam prije napisao, namjeravam sa prijateljicom postaviti cacheve, a ona ih je skupila 56.. Hvala na pomoći vezani uz cache i za odgovor na moj upit.. Posted 08 May 2014 - 06:44 AM i definitivno navrati(te) na event - koji je sljedeći možeš sazanti ovdje: http://www.geocachin...ec-e986e1d347db Posted 08 May 2014 - 07:34 AM Posted 08 May 2014 - 09:38 AM ...samo naprijed Sova Posted 08 May 2014 - 09:43 AM Posted 08 May 2014 - 10:14 AM Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:17 AM Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:15 AM Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:18 AM Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:20 AM Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:35 AM Najbolje je, ako su koordinate nesigurne, GPS divlja na lokaciji (zbog visokih objekata ne vidi sat.-e), posebice u šumi, pofotkat drvo ili neku oznaku kod boxa, po kojoj će pronalazak biti olakšan This post has been edited by bgnjip: 12 May 2014 - 12:36 AM Posted 24 July 2014 - 01:28 PM Posted 24 July 2014 - 02:44 PM Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:04 AM Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:46 AM This post has been edited by MatrixPatrix: 25 July 2014 - 03:47 AM Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:00 AM S službenom aplikacijom se nisam baš igrao, ali mislim da bi i oni trebali imati mogućnost "add/edit. viewpoint" :/ Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:01 AM ...osobno sam sklon mišljenju da je prilično spartanski napravljen i da je C:geo za njega USS ENTERPRISE Iako ti za početak ne treba ništa toliko bolje, tu i tamo dođe se do ovakvog problema - kojeg kod C:geo-a - nema. Niš ne brini, MatrixPatrix, samo ti pitaj kaj te zanima... Posted 25 July 2014 - 08:50 AM Posted 25 July 2014 - 12:15 PM Kada odabereš cache koji tražiš klikni na "Navigate", pa na "Map". Kada si na Mapi, klikni desni donji izbornik od uređaja i tamo ćeš imati tri opcije, jedan od njih je "Add Waypoint". Tu možeš dodati Waypoint Name i koordinate. Puno sreće u traženju multija This post has been edited by GCEdo: 25 July 2014 - 12:20 PM Posted 25 July 2014 - 01:52 PM