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Can We Know When Judgment Day Is? (53 minutes) PAGE 1 Of 2 By Brother Mike In reference to Judgment Day, Jesus said as recorded in Matthew 24:36 and similarly in Mark 13:32, "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Does this mean that absolutely no one can know the exact day of judgment? It seems on the surface that this is the case, especially when there are other bible verses which seem to say the same thing such as Mt. 24:42, "for you know not what hour your Lord come," or in the same chapter verse 44, "for in such an hour as you think not the Son of man comes," or in Mt. 25:13, "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man comes," or Lk. 12:40 "for the Son of man comes at an hour when ye think not," or again in Mark 13:33, "take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." But upon more careful examination of what Jesus said in the context in which it was said, and ultimately in the context of the entire Bible, we know that this is not what Jesus is saying. What Jesus really meant by saying "But of that day and hour knows no man," as we shall see, is this: that no human beings who are of this world and without the Spirit of God can discover the Day of Judgment, while those who are not of this world but who are of the kingdom of God through the Spirit can discover the very day and time once the time of the end has come. This does not mean that every man who knows the day must have the Spirit of God and is, therefore, saved, but simply that this knowledge of the very day of judgment originates from, or comes from in the first place, the Spirit of God and not from humanbeings or from flesh and blood at all. No Man Knows as in the days of Noah Let's begin our study by taking a closer look at the context of probably the most quoted verse in the Bible against being able to know when Judgment Day is as recorded in Mt. 24:36-39. We read, 36 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and be giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. What is so interesting about the context of this verse is that we are told that Judgment Day and the coming of Jesus Christ will be "as it was in the days of Noah," because immediately after we read that "no man knows that day and hour," Christ says, "as it was in the days of Noah, so shall also the coming of the son of man be." This comparison with the coming of Christ and the end of the world with how it was in the days of Noah is a consistent teaching in the Bible as in Luke 17:26 where we read once again, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the son of man." And similarly, we read, in II Pet. 3:6-7 , "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, are reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." Through such comparisons between the judgment of the flood and the final judgment of this world, it is clear that God wants us to look at how it was in the time of Noah in order to learn about how it will be at the coming of Judgment Day. So we are now compelled to ask the question, did any person or people know the exact Day of Judgment in the days of Noah? The answer is an emphatic, YES! Noah and his family knew, and they were the only eight people who were saved out of probably over a million people at that time. God had said in the time of Noah as recorded in Genesis 6:3, "My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." And as the time of judgment got closer, God told Noah as recorded in Gen. 7:4, "And yet seven days and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." Now remember that Jesus said that the coming of Judgment Day would be "as in the days of Noah." Therefore, we would expect that the ones, if any, who would know the exact Day of Judgment would be the ones whom He is saving "as it was in the days of Noah." But if the people that God is saving will know the exact time, then why did Christ say, "But of that day and hour knows no man?" The logical answer in the light of the given context is: because the phrase, "of that day and hour knows no man" does not refer to every single last human being, but only to everyone other than the people that God is saving. This is why Christ could say of all those of whom he was not saving, they "knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." In other words, the ones who knew not until they were destroyed were the unbelieving and unsaved of the world while Noah and his family of just eight people total were not included in this unsaved group, but were saved and knew the exact day and time of judgment. This is how it will be near the end of this world as well! The very few true believers in Christ will know the exact Day of Judgment, but the unbelievers, which includes all the false believers as well, will not know the exact time, and so will be swept away in the completely spiritual judgment of which the true believers now know from the Bible began on May 21, 2011 , and will last until the End of this World and Rapture of God's people into heaven. The phrase and concept of "Knows no man" in the Bible Now we can further see that the phrase "knows no man" does not refer to every single last human being, but rather refers just to the unsaved of the world, by how this same phrase or concept is used in some of the other passages of the Bible. We will first look at I Cor. 2:10-11 where we read, "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God." Now does this mean that absolutely "no man" or person can know the things of God? Of course not! For we read in the very next verse, "Now we [that is, the saved ones] have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." So the phrase "knows no man" in this passage CANNOT refer to every single human being, but must refer to only the unsaved who are of the spirit of this world, and who do not have the Spirit of God. Those who have the Spirit of God on the other hand, namely the saved of the world, are not in the same category referred to by the phrase "knows no man," for they can know the things of God as we just read in the scripture. What we see, therefore, is the same use of the phrase "knows no man" as we saw in the passage where we read, "But of that day and hour knows no man," namely that the phrase "knows no man" does not mean that absolutely no one can know when the Day of Judgment is, or, in the latter verse that we looked at, that no one can know the things of God, but rather those who have the spirit of God, as did Noah, can know all these things, whereas the unsaved who do not have the spirit of God can know nothing of the Spirit - like the scripture says of them and them alone, "no man knows." And again 1Cor. 2:14 states, "the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned." As another illustration to add further support that God is using the phrase "knows no man" in reference to unsaved humanity and not the saved when he says, "no man knows," let's take a look at Romans 3:10 where we read, "As it is written, There is none [that is like saying, no man] righteous, no, not one: There is none [that is, no man] that understands: there is none [that is, no man] that seeks after God." Now does this mean that there is absolutely "none" or no persons who are righteous; "none" or no persons that understand; and "none" or no persons who seek God? I mean if we want to take the "none" and say that it refers to every single last human being, then that is the conclusion that we must come to. But we all who believe and have knowledge know that that is not the case: for according to the Bible, there are some who are righteous in God's eyes; there are some who understand; and there are some who seek after God. This is not because any person has any of these godly attributes in themselves of righteousness, understanding, and seeking God, but these are the very ones who have been made as such by the Spirit and salvation of Jesus Christ. Therefore, the "none" does not refer to every single human being just as the phrase "knoweth no man" does not refer to every single last human being, but is simply referring to all humans who are without salvation, without the Spirit, and without Christ. And, in that sense, there are absolutely "none" who are righteous; "none" who understand; "none" or no man who seeks after God; and, in that sense and that sense alone, "no man knows" the exact Day of Judgment. But for those who are with salvation, with the Spirit, and with Christ, they can know. Perhaps a good way to help visualize all this is to see the unsaved people and the saved people as in two completely different kingdoms or worlds. Remember Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). So we can look upon all the unsaved as in this world, and we can look upon all the saved who are of Christ's kingdom as in another world, which is completely spiritual. Now when God says that "no man knows the day and hour," He has in mind that "no man" in this world "knows the day and hour," and He can say this with absoluteness because in this world, in the flesh, without the Spirit, absolutely no one knows nor indeed can know. But, on the other hand, Christ can also speak as if speaking about His kingdom or spiritual world with the same absoluteness because in Christ's kingdom, in the spirit and not the flesh, everyone who is saved can know "as in the days of Noah." Because of these two conflicting and differing kingdoms or worlds, it should not be a surprise why we find some passages which seem to say that no man can know, while other passages which teach the exact opposite. One is viewing things from the perspective of this world and unsaved man, while the other is viewing things from the perspective of Christ's kingdom or world, the realm of the saved and spiritual people of God. N ow what we have learned so far is that, from the context of the verse, "But of that day and hour knows no man," it does not mean that absolutely no one can know the very Day of Judgment, but it does mean that none of the unsaved who have not " the Spirit which is of God" can know. We have seen this in both the context of the verse, " But of that day and hour knows no man" in Mt. 24:36-39 as well as how the exact same phrase " knows no man" is defined in I Cor. We have also seen how the concept of no man knows means no person who is without the Spirit of God and in the flesh, which the Bible calls the natural or carnal man, can know. Therefore, we can agree with those who say no man knows when the term " man" in the phrase " knows no man" is properly defined only as the natural, carnal, and without the Spirit of God people of this world, but we cannot agree with the blanket and incorrect statement that the phrase " knows no man" refers to every single last human being. But, given all this, it is important to realize that "no man," not even the saved, will be able to know the exact time until "the time of the end," for as we were told through Daniel the prophet about 2600 years ago in Chapter 12 verse 4, "shut up the word, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro and knowledge will be increased." In other words, even though this information has always been in the Bible, God hid it until "the time of the end," which we are now in, and then He will open up and increase the understanding of His people to these very things. In fact, about 2000 years ago at the beginning of the New Testament church age on Pentecost 33 A.D., Christ told His disciples in Acts 1:7, "It is not for you [literally in the Greek, it is not of you] to know the times or the seasons, which the father has put in His own power." The "It is not of you" simply emphasizes that "to know the times or the seasons" does and cannot originate in or come from human beings themselves - "It is not of [them]," which is also what God meant by saying "But of that day and hour knows no man" - but it does not mean that there would or could never come a time in which these things would or could be revealed by the Spirit to human beings with origins only of God Himself. Nevertheless, at the time of Christ saying these things about two thousand years ago, it was not yet time for the "times or the seasons" to be revealed, so it was not to be the focus of Christ's disciples who were to be busy with the task of spreading the gospel. But when "the time of the end" came, which through the biblical timeline we now know to have begun in 1988 when judgment began on all the external or corporate churches, and the true believers were commanded to come out of them, and still are being commanded to come out of them (see Why Depart Out of All Churches ), God has taken the seal off of His Word, the Bible, so that now like never before, we can begin to know through the Spirit of God the exact time of judgment. In these last days, to know the times and the seasons is extremely important, for these things are exactly what Satan does not want you to know as we read in Daniel 7, 25 And he [Satan] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws.. So, in summary, we learned that the phrase, " knows no man," means this: no flesh by itself, or the natural man alone, separate and apart from God's Spirit revealing it, can know the day. It is not of man to know the day, or the times and seasons, but it is of the Spirit to know these things, and to reveal them to those who have the Spirit of God, once the time of the end has come. The phrase no man knows does not refer to every last human being in scripture, but just to all those who are without the Spirit, just as it was in the days of Noah. "Neither the Son" of Mark 13:32 Now someone might say, "not even Jesus knows the day, so how can you so arrogantly know the day?" This in actuality is a miss quote of Mark 13:32 which states, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." It doesn't say that Jesus doesn't know the day, but it says "the son" does not know the day. It is just assumed that the word "son" in this verse refers to Jesus because in many translations of the Bible this word "son" is capitalized to set it apart as if it does refer Jesus, the Son with a capital "S." But we must understand that in the original language of this verse the word "son" is not set apart by capitalization; it is in the same case as every letter surrounding it which in the original manuscripts are all in the same case or size, and so the translators have taken some liberty that they should have never taken by assuming that this word "son " refers to Jesus (Remember, it is the original languages alone in which the Bible was first written which are absolutely perfect). In fact, there is good reason to believe that "the son" in this passage does not refer to Jesus at all. This is because of all the passages which clearly teach that Jesus, the son, is one and same as the Father God who knows all things. For instance, Jesus said in John 10:16, "I and my Father are one" and "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" Scripture even said hundreds of years before Jesus was born through Isaiah the prophet that He, the Son, would be called the Father Himself as we read in Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father . From passages such as these, and there are many of them, it is clear that Jesus at least in some respect is one and the same as the Father, and in Colossians 2:9 we read this about Jesus: "For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" and in Col. 1:16 we read, "by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him." And, again, scripture states, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever" (Heb. So I ask you, how can all the fullness of the Godhead dwell in Jesus, who is the almighty creator God of all things, and yet He does not know the Day of Judgment? For if He lacked knowledge in anything including the time of Judgment Day , how could all the fullness of the Godhead so dwell in Him? Obviously, it could not. Jesus even says of Himself, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending , saith the Lord" (Rev. 1:8). Now can one who is the beginning and the end not know the time of the end? Hardly! Since we must, therefore, conclude that Jesus who is very God knows the time of the end and of Judgment, who then does "the son" refer to in Mark 13:32 which states, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father"? Some have concluded that "the son" must refer to another mentioned in the Bible such as "the son of perdition" who is Satan, or some other son mentioned in the Bible. They reason that "the son" in reference to Satan may seem to fit well is because Satan is a celestial being as are the angels who are said to not know the time in this same verse, so this would fit into the context quite well, so they think. But, it seems to me that Satan is an angel, and so why would God say the angels do not know the time, which would include Satan already, and then say that "the Son of perdition," or Satan, does not know the time once again? More importantly, the phrase "the son" alone most regularly gives reference to Jesus in the Bible (I counted 30 times in the New Testament and once or perhaps twice in the Old - Ps. 2:12; Pr. 3:12) whereas I am not aware of any verse that refers to Satan with just the simple phrase, "the son," which is really the most important phrase in this discussion. O yes, it could be being used in reference to Satan in the longer phrase, "the son of wickedness" (Ps. 89:22), and "the son of perdition" (Jn. 2:3), and perhaps in the phrase, "son of the morning" in Isaiah 14:12 (but this is not really valid because the article "the" is missing), but it is not used in reference to Satan anywhere that I am aware of in just the phrase, "the son," which is a huge strike against "the son" possibly referring to Satan, or any other "son" that is defined by any phrase longer or shorter than the exact phrase, "the son." In scanning the Bible for this phrase, it is clear that "the son" - not the son of someone or the son of something else, or a son of a human father, or the son in a given genealogical account - but "the son" alone is a special term used to refer to Jesus alone. He's not just any son, but THE SON; no one else can fit this designation. Additionally, Jesus is often called "the son of man" (about 84 times in NT), or "the son of God " (about 41 times in NT), or "the son of David" ( about 7 times in NT), or "the son of the living God" (2 times in NT) or "the son of Joseph" (3 times in NT), or "the Son of Mary" (1 time in NT), or " a son" (about 6 times), and so on. In fact, He is called "the son of man" about 80 times in the gospels alone, which makes it the most common designation for Jesus in the gospels, which, also, by the very connotation of the phrase alone, is placing a great emphasis upon His humanity: "the son of man." Take a look at all the Bible passages which define Jesus by the exact same phrase, "the Son," found in Mk. 13:32: Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Pr 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. Mt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him . Mt 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mr 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Lu 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;but the wrath of God abideth on him. Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Heb. 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. IJo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. IJo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father IJo 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. IJo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to bed the saviour of the world. 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Notice how the sentence structures are similar between Mark 13:32 and the following passages: Mr 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Lu 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Mt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him . As we focus in on the phrase "...the Son..., but the Father...," we see that each of the above passages have this same structure. So, since the phrase "the son" in both Luke and Matthew above is clearly in reference to Jesus, so it is quite logical to conclude that "the son" in Mark 13:32 also refers to Jesus. But even far more convincing is the fact that in virtually all of the above 25 passages, which clearly define the phrase "the son" alone as being Jesus, "the son" is always very closely connected with "the Father" in the given passage. I do not know of any scriptures where this close connection to " the Father" could be said of Satan, or some other " son " in the Bible. Since this close connection is also seen in Mark 13:32 - "neither the son, but the Father" - it is quite logical to define "the son" in this passage as being Jesus just as do all the other scriptural examples. And we could go on and on with the evidence to show that "the son" in Mark 13:32 refers to Jesus, but for the sake of brevity, let me bring just one more thing to your attention. Even though we know the scripture clearly teaches Jesus to be God Himself, and that Jesus and the Father are one, and if you have seen Jesus, you've seen the Father, there is clearly a difference in administration between the two. For instance, Jesus only spoke what the Father wanted Him to speak: Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. Furthermore, we also read that the " times and seasons" are not in the hands of Christ, but in the power or control of the Father as we read in Acts 1:7, Ac 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Now these differences in administration that Jesus didn't speak what He wanted to speak, but only spoke exactly what the Father told Him to speak at the time, and that the " times and seasons" are not mentioned as in control of Jesus, but in the power or control of the Father, can help explain how " the son" in Mark 13 can refer to Jesus who in the context spoke about all the signs of His coming in Judgment, as if He knew all things, while in the exact same context then said, " But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" as if He did not know all things. He was simply following the Father's command to say of Himself that He didn't know the day and hour, and doing this had nothing to do with Him knowing or not knowing, but had everything to do with obeying the commandment of the Father at the time for the Father's own purposes. Now in the light of all this evidence, it is quite difficult if not impossible to see "the son " here in Mark 13:32 as referring to anyone but Jesus Himself. How could anyone ever say that "the son" in Mark 13:32 cannot possibly be Jesus? Wisdom cries out and says, how could it not be Jesus? The reason that many say it cannot refer to Jesus is because scripture says that Jesus and the Father are one (Jn. 10:30), and if you have seen Jesus, you've seen the father (Jn. 14:9); therefore, as the Father knows the day, so must Jesus. But this is a faulty argument as we will see a little later. I am afraid that many of the people who cannot see that "the son" in Mark 13:32 is Jesus are viewing the trees, but missing the forest. I believe there is a much better explanation for "the Son" than saying very weakly it must refer to the son of perdition, who is Satan, or some other son than Jesus Himself. In fact, I believe in the light of all the evidence that "the Son" must refer to Jesus, but not to all His deity or fullness, for we have already concluded that Jesus in the fullness of who He was, namely the one and only almighty, all knowing and infinite creator God, by definition, must have known the time. But, rather, "the Son " here does refer to Jesus, the Son, but only from the perspective of viewing Him artificially in His human nature or natural man alone while He was yet on earth and before He was glorified. This is a complete exercise of the mind alone. Let me try to explain: Yes, it is true that Jesus was fully God while He was on earth, but it is also true that He was fully man; He was the Son of God, and He was the Son of Man; both natures so intermingled and inseparable in reality, except in one's mind. This is one of the most cardinal doctrines of Christianity, and as a man, he hungered (Mt. 21:18; Lk. 4:2) and had to eat food; he thirsted (Jn. 19:28) and had to drink; "the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit . 2:40); "Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man" (Lk. 2:52); He had to have learned how to walk and talk; also "Jesus therefore, being wearied [He grew tired] with his journey, sat thus on the well" (Jn. 4:6) and He slept (Mk. 4:38); He "was in all points tempted like as we are..." 4:15); "Though He were a son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered" (Heb. 5:8); "Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be made like unto his brethren" ( Heb. 2:17), and Christ Himself even said, " my Father is greater than I ." So He was a man in every respect; and so on, in that, in His humanity, scripture clearly teaches that He was like we are in every way, "yet without sin" (Heb. Being born of a woman, He clearly had limitations as a man, some of which were just listed, and these limitations immediately open the door to Him having been limited in knowledge in respect to not knowing the exact day as declared in Mark 13:32 while yet on earth. But in his deity or God nature alone, artificially viewed and separated from His human nature in the mind only, He, God, would not get hungry and so need to eat; thirst and need to drink; He would not grow in stature and wisdom, and in favour with God; He would not learn obedience or learn how to walk and talk; He would not be tempted as we are in all things, "for God cannot be tempted" (James 1:13); nor would He, that is God, need to rest from being tired because God is all sufficient and powerful and needs nothing at all, including water and food. He would also be all knowing and learned, and, so there would be no room for growth in any respect because He is infinite and so grown and learned to the farthest extent and can grow or mature no further, and He could most certainly not say that the Father is greater than Him. In His God nature, He would know all things including the day and hour of Judgment Day. Therefore, when the scripture says that "neither the son" knows the day and hour, this can be only in reference or due to His human nature while He was yet on earth and not yet glorified. In this respect and this perspective alone it could be said of Jesus, He did not know the time. But in His God nature alone, Jesus has always known the time, and especially in His now God glorified state ever since He returned to heaven about 2000 years ago, He certainly knows the exact day. As an illustration to hopefully help clarify: It's like when the scripture says, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God" (I Jn. 3:9). This seems to say that someone who is born of God, or saved, cannot sin. But we know from many other scriptures that this cannot be the case. So how can this verse be explained? Well, it can be explained by viewing this verse as only referring to the new resurrected spiritual nature of a saved individual, artificially viewed in the mind alone, separate and apart from their still remaining sinful flesh nature. It is only in this sense that a saved person could be said to not sin. But if a saved person is viewed as they really are in reality with both a new spiritual nature and a remaining sinful flesh nature that are so intermingled and inseparable in real life, it is not true that a saved person cannot sin, for their sinful flesh has not yet been completely saved, and these two natures war against one another, the spiritual against the remaining sinful flesh nature, and there are times when the old sinful flesh nature shows its ugly head (Just read Romans Chp. Now in a similar way of artificially viewing in the mind alone the human nature of Jesus as separate and apart from His God nature, when the scripture says that "the son," Jesus, does not know the day and hour, it could be viewing Him in His flesh nature or natural man alone, separate and apart from His spiritual nature which is fully God, or it is simply viewing Him in His humanity with all the limitations that having become a man brought upon Him. Whatever the case, it is only because of His human nature that it could ever be said of "the son" that He does not know the time in the similar way that it is only because of a saved person's new spiritual nature that it could ever be said that such a one cannot sin. But when viewing Jesus in His God nature alone, which we could not do except in the mind, it could never be said that there is something He does not know, for in that great sense, He has always been and always will be God who knows all things. The answer to those who say, "how can you know the day and hour when not even Jesus knows," therefore, is this: when scripture says that Jesus does not know the time, it is in some way in reference or due to His human flesh nature as a man, either viewed in the mind alone, completely separate and apart from His God nature, or simply due in some way to the limitations of His human flesh and blood or natural man nature. We are given warrant to artificially separate in the mind alone the natures of a person - and Jesus was a person - by a scripture such as 1John 3:9, which we have already seen does this very thing to help us better understand the personage of the saved individual (there are many other scriptures which do this as well such as in Romans 7 and many other scriptures), and we are also given warrant by all the many passages that actually and obviously do view Jesus from the standpoint of His humanity (I previously mentioned some of these verses including the comment Jesus Himself made, " My Father is greater than I." Indeed, the very connotation of the most used phrase to designate Jesus in the gospels, namely "the son of man" itself, forces us to focus in on His humanity. And by focusing in on the human nature of Jesus in this passage of Mk. 13:32 as do many other scriptural examples, God is telling us that human flesh and blood alone, or the natural man by itself, cannot know the time just as we had previously already learned in Acts 1:7 when it stated, "it is not of you to know the times and seasons," and also in Mt. 24:36 and now Mark 13:32 when it says, no man knows. In other words, it is not "of," or it does not originate from, or come from human flesh to know the Day of Judgment. This is true even of the flesh and blood of Jesus Himself who was every bit as human as we. I believe that Jesus is basically teaching the same thing in Mt.16:17. In this passage, Jesus asks Peter who he thought He was . "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art The Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered, and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Just as it was not "flesh and blood;" therefore, not a human being; nor the human "flesh and blood" nature of Jesus Christ Himself, that revealed to Peter Christ's deity, so, also, it is not human beings, including the human nature of Jesus himself while yet on earth, that could know the very day of judgment and His second coming. But this in no way means that Jesus did not know after He ascended into heaven in His glorified state, and that there could never come a time in which the day and time would be revealed to human flesh by the Spirit alone, with origins separate and apart from the flesh, as it now has been taking place with origins of God, the Holy Spirit, alone. So, once again, how can we know when not even Jesus knew? First of all, Jesus in His God nature alone did know, and He certainly now knows in the glorified state in which He is in ever since He had ascended to heaven. We must make this clear! But in his flesh or human nature when He was still on earth, viewed artificially separate and apart from His spiritual or God nature in the mind alone, or simply viewed in His humanity while yet on earth, He did not know, being fully man and so willingly encompassed with limitations. In the same way, no man who is in the flesh alone and not given the Spirit of God can discover the very day, but once he has the Spirit of God, he can discover the day once the Spirit of God has revealed it to him at the time of the end with origins completely of God Himself and not of man, or of flesh and blood, at all. Please understand, I am not saying in any of this discourse that every man who knows the day has the Spirit and must be saved, but I am saying that the knowledge of that day had to have originated in the first place from no human being, but from the Spirit of God alone, which dwells in all of God's people. Before concluding on this topic of "the son," I think it is important to recognize that none of this takes away from the deity of Christ, as some are teaching. My heart is just grieved when I hear someone say that to believe that "the son" refers to Jesus is a denial of God Himself. NO IT IS NOT! We are simply artificially viewing in our minds alone the person of Jesus, who is God (there you have it; I just said He is God), in His two natures, separate and apart from each other in our minds alone, or simply in His humanity as we have shown scripture gives us warrant to do by many scriptural examples. He was fully God, and He was fully man while He was yet on earth without yet being glorified (except of course when He was transfigured - Mt. 17:2). To view Him in just His humanity is not denying His deity; nor is viewing Him in just His deity denying His Humanity. Scripture allows for both, and, therefore, so can we. Was Jesus God? Absolutely! Was Jesus man? Absolutely! We can deny neither, so we must be careful not to apply these in an incorrect way; one as the other, and the other as the one, which I believe has been done by those who so adamantly require that "the son" in Mark 13:32 not in any way refer to Jesus. They say that Jesus is the same as the father, and, therefore, as the scripture states in Mk 13:32 that it is the Father who knows the very day, so must have Jesus known the day, for scripture says of Jesus, "I and my Father are one" and "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. But there is a fallacy in this argument , for even though scripture does say that the Father and Jesus are one, and if you've seen Jesus you've seen the Father, this cannot possibly mean they are both exactly the same in every respect, which is required for such an argument to hold any weight. I ask you, did the Father have human flesh, grow tired, learn obedience, grow in stature and wisdom; was He tempted as we, could the father say that someone else was greater than He, and experience all the other things as did the son, Jesus, in His humanity? Of course not, for " God is a Spirit" (Jn. So herein lays the difference and issue: the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, and this is exactly the point. Yes, it could be said of Jesus that in His deity or God nature, He had to have known the very day. But, when we separate His two natures in our minds alone, and focus in on only His flesh and blood, or simply just focus in on His humanity as scripture so regularly does, we can not only say, Jesus did not know the day, but we can also say, Jesus and the Father were not one and the same, unless, of course, you think that the Father had human flesh as did Jesus, which would contradict clear biblical teaching. Therefore, we know that when scripture says that Jesus and the Father are one, and that they if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father, is not in reference to the flesh and blood or human nature of Jesus, but to the spiritual or God nature of Jesus alone, and, so cannot in any way be used to argue against Jesus being " the son" in Mark 13:32 at all. It is a faulty argument! In my mind, the only way it can be shown that "the son" does not refer to Jesus at all is to either deny His humanity, which would be to move in the direction of heresy (see Docetism in early Christian history), or else show that scripture does not allow for the viewing of a person 's natures artificially in our minds alone, separate and apart from each other (like 1Jn. 3:9 does and many other scriptures), as well as show that Jesus had no limitations in His humanity, which would prove that Jesus in His humanity had to have known the very day of judgment and the day of His coming. All this, I believe, would be quite difficult if not impossible to do. I have heard it said that "the son" in Mark 13:32 is put there as a test. If it is - there is nothing to necessitate such a belief in the context - the test must be this: will an individual believe that "the son" is Jesus as Scripture makes so abundantly clear, or will he believe the teaching of man, that "the son" cannot be and does not refer to Jesus? So, in summary, we have learned that when scripture says, neither the son knows the day and hour, it is focusing in on the fact that no man knows in his human nature or natural man alone, including Jesus when viewed in His human nature or natural man alone while yet on this earth, but this in no way means that He did not know in the fullness of who He was as both man and God, and certainly cannot mean that He doesn't now know while in His glorified state in heaven. Of course, He knew and knows all things. So how can we know when not even Jesus knew? First of all, Jesus in His fullness as both man and God did know, and, in His now glorified state in heaven, He absolutely knows. We must make this clear. But in his flesh or human nature viewed separate and apart from His spiritual or God nature while He was yet on earth, He did not know, being fully a natural man. In the same way, no man who is in the flesh and not given the Spirit of God can know, but once he has salvation and so has the Spirit of God, he can know once the Spirit of God has revealed it to him with origins completely of God Himself and not of man at all. This study entitled "Can We Know When Judgment Day Is" is continued on the next page. Click here to continue.
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Bog je JEDAN! Bog je JEDAN! „Bog je JEDAN!” (Galaćanima 3, 20) Jedan je Bog.Samo je JEDAN BOG! Ova doktrina je centralna u Biblijskoj PORUCI zajedno i za Stari i za Novi Zavet. Bez obzira na jednostavnost ove poruke i jasnoću s kojom ju Biblija prezentuje, mnogi koji veruju u Boga i Njegovo postojanje to ne razumeju. Uz te koji se svrstavaju među hrišćane, imamo nekoliko različitih stajališta koja se sukobljuju po pitanju božanstva. Jedan od pogleda, nazvan trinitarijanstvo tvrdi da postoje tri različite osobe u Božanstvu. Bog Otac, Bog Sin, Bog Duh Sveti, a li ipak „jedan Bog.” Izraziti hrišćanski monoteisti veruju u JEDNOGA BOGA, ali i dalje veruju da je punina Božanstva manifestovana (očitovana) u HRISTU. Oni veruju da je Otac, Sin, i Duh Sveti manifestacije, modeli, službe, ili odnosi kako se jedan Bog objavio ljudima. Veruju u nevidljivo jedinstvo Boga i puninu Božanstva Isusa Hrista i često koriste termin „onenes” kako bi opisali svoje verovanje. Klasično objašnjenje doktrine o Jednom Bogu pronalazimo u Ponovljenom Zakonu 6, 4: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.”Ovaj redak Pisma postao je jako karakteristična i važna stavka za Jevreje. Oni to nazivaju „SHEMA” (ŠEMA), poslije prve reči fraze na Hebrejskom: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.” Tradicionalno, pobožno Jevreji uvek pokušavaju ovo učiniti ispovedanjem vere pre svoje smrti. PRIRODA BOŽJA „Bog je duh, i koji mu se klanjaju, moraju mu se klanjati u duhu i u istini." (Jovan 4, 24) Naš mali ljudski um ne može istražiti i shvatiti svo to znanje o Bogu, ali Biblija opisuje jako važne karakeristike i atribute koje Bog posjeduje. Bog je Duh. On je nevidljiv osim ako ne izabere da se manifestira u formi vidljivoj ljudima. "Lica mojega ne možeš ugledati; jer ni jedan čovjek ne može me vidjeti i ostati živ." (Izlazak 33, 20) „Boga niko nije vidio nikada.” (Ivan 1, 18; 1. Ivanova 4, 12) „Koji jedini ima besmrtnost i prebiva u svjetlosti, kojoj se ne može pristupiti; kojega nitko od ljudi nije vidio.” (1. Timoteju 6, 16) Ali Bog je svoju prirodu otkrio čovječanstvu naročito kroz vidljive manifestacije. IMENA I TITULE BOŽJE „I nema ni u jednom drugom spasenja; jer nema drugoga imena pod nebom danoga ljudima, u kojem treba da se spasimo." (Djela 4, 12) Čak niti kroz to mi u potpunosti ne možemo shvatiti Boga, Bog koristi više načina da nam pokaže Sebe. Jedna od tih metoda je korišćenje različitih imena i titula da bi otkrio Sebe. „YAHWEH” (Jehova) je otkupiteljsko ime Božje u Starom Zavjetu (Izlazak 6, 3-8.). „Sam Gospod, to je ime moje. Časti svoje ne dajem drugomu, slave svoje ne dajem idolima.“ (Izaija 42:8.). To podrazumeva da postoji Samo-postojeći Jedan ili Jedino Večni Bog. Ovaj koncept javlja se u frazama „Ja sam Onaj koji Jesam!” „JA SAM” korištenih od Boga osobno. U Starom Zavjetu, Bog postupno više otkriva Sebe u potrebama u životima ljudi, i On koristi imena da bi izrazio se otkrivajući Sebe. Kada je Avraam trebao jagnje za žrtvu, Bog je Sebe otkrio kao JAHVE JIRAH, Bog koji proviđa. Kada je Izrael trebao oslobođenje, Bog se otkrio u imenu JAHVE prethodno nepoznatim značenjem sa poštovanjem za oslobođenje i spasenje. Kada je Izrael trebao zaštitu od bolesti i tegoba, Bog se otkrio kao JAHVE-RAPHA, Bog koji ozdravlja. Kada je Izrael trebao pobjedu nad neprijateljima, Bog je otkrio Sebe kao JAHVE-NISSI, Bog naša Zastava. Ova imena i titule opisuju skupa sva očitovanja važnih aspekata o prirodi Božjoj. Kada je došla punina vremena Bog je želio objaviti se Njegovom narodu i Sebe otkriti u svoj Njegovoj moći i slavi kroz IME ISUS. Isus znači JAHVE SPASITELJ, JAVE NAŠE SPASENJE ili Jahve je SPASENJE. I zato anđeo kaže: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime Isus; jer će on izbaviti narod svoj od grijeha njegovih." (Matej 1, 21) ISUS JE BOG „Jer u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva tjelesno.” (Kološanima 2, 9) Činjenica da je Isus Bog čvrsto je utemeljena na Pismu kao činjenica da je JEDAN BOG. Biblijsko učenje da Isus je potpuno Bog i potpuno čovjek. Isaija 9, 6 je jedan od najmoćnijih dokaza da je ISUS BOG: „Jer nam se rodi dijete, sin nam se dade. Vlast počiva na plećima njegovim, 'čudo od savjetnika' glasi ime njegovo, 'Jaki Bog, 'Otac vječni', 'Knez mira'.” Izrazi dijete i sin ukazuju na utjelovljenje, ili na manifestaciju „moćnoga Boga!” a „Oca Vječnoga!” Novi Zavjet također ispovijeda da je ISUS BOG. Toma je ispovedio Isusu obadvoje: GOSPOD I BOG (Jovan 20, 28.) Prema Delima 22, 28, crkva je otkupljena sa Božjom vlastitom krvlju, zapravo HRISTOVOM KRVLJU. Pavle Isusa opisuje kao „našega velikoga Boga i Spasitelja, Isusa Hrista.” (Titu 2, 13,) BOG SE MANIFESTOVAO U TELU Činjenica da je Isus Bog nužno podrazumijeva da je Bog uzeo ljudsko telo. To je činjenica o kojoj Biblija kaže: „I kao što je priznato, velika je tajna pobožnosti: On se javio u tijelu, opravdao se u Duhu, pokazao se anđelima, propovijedao se neznabošcima, vjerovao se u svijetu, uznio se u slavi.” (1. Timoteju 3, 16) Jovan 1, 1-15 predivno uči koncept Božjeg manifestovanja u telu. U početku bijaše RIJEČ (LOGOS). Riječ nije posebna osoba ili odijeljeni Bog ništa više nego što je ljudska reč odvojena osoba od čoveka. Pre je Reč bila planirana u Božjim mislima. „U početku bijaše Riječ, i Riječ, bijaše u Boga, i Bog bijaše Riječ.” (Jovan 1, 1) Utelovljenje (inkarnacija) je postojala u naumu Božjem pre postanka sveta. U naumu Božjem Jagnje je ubijeno pre utemeljenja sveta (1. Petrova 1, 19-20; Otktivenje 13,8.). OTAC, SIN, DUH SVETI „Ja i Otac smo JEDNO.” (Jovan 10, 30) ”Ja ću moliti Oca i On će vam dati drugoga Tješitelja... Duha ISTINE!” (Jovan 14, 16-17). Da li termini Otac, Sin i Duh Sveti označavaju tri različite osobe ili osobnosti u Božanstvu? Ili pak oni otkrivaju tri različite uloge, modela, funkcije, ili službe kroz koje Jedan Bog deluje i otkriva sebe? Bog je Otac, On nije samo Otac Sinu već Otac svemu stvorenju (Malahija 2, 10; Jevrejima 12, 9). Isus naučava puno puta da je Bog naš Otac (Matej 5,16, 45, 48). Učio nas je moliti: ”Oče naš koji jesi na Nebesima.” (Matej 6, 9). Termin „Sin Božji” odnosi se na Boga kao manifestovanog u telu u osobi Isusa Hrista za spasenje čovečanstva. Ime Sina je ISUS: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime ISUS." (Matej 1, 21). „Otac” se odnosi samo na Božanstvo kao utjelovljenje u čovečanstvu. Jovan 14, 10 kaže nam da je Otac u Sinu. Ako je Duh Sveti jednostavno Bog, zašto je potreban ovaj termin? Razlog zašto se naglašava osobni aspekt Božji. Naglašava da je On svet, sveprisutan, i nevidljivi Duh koji radi među svim ljudima posvuda i koji može ispuniti ljudima srca. Kada govorimo o Svetome Duhu, mi se podsećamo na Božje nevidljivo delovanje među ljudima i Njegove sposobnosti da pomazuje, krsti, ispunjava, i prebiva u ljudskim životima. ZAKLJUČAK Pa šta možemo reći o Bogu? Prvo, tamo je Jedan nevidljivi Bog koji ne postoji u više različitih osoba. Drugo, Isus Hrist je punina Božjeg utelovljenja. On je Bog Otac – Jahve u Starom Zavetu- manifestovan u telu. SAV BOG je u ISUSU HRISTU, i u Njemu imamo sve što nam je potrebno. JEDINI BOG kojeg ćemo u Nebu videti je ISUS HRIST. Poslednji put izmenio SION dana 2015-01-20, 15:53, izmenio ukupno 5 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! On se naziva Sin Božji, jer je začet u utrobi Marije. Bog nikada nije smislio drugi duh. Bog nije osmislio Večnoga Sina. Sinovstvo je proizišlo iz začeća i nije večno. Sin samo može biti rođen NAKON što je žena zatrudnela. Bog nikada nije dao začeće nekoj ženi pre Marije. Bog nikada nije imao sina pre Marijinog začeća osim Isusa Hrista. To dete je Božji jedinorođeni Sin. Sada je Isus večan - što će reći da je " Njegova punina vlasti, mir nema nikada kraja.", Isaija 9:07. Ali Sin Božji nije postojao dok nije začet ljudski i telesno u utrobi Marije. Pre je Isus bio zamišljen kao čovek, Bog je bestelesan. Bog je SAMO DUH. JEDAN nepodeljen Duh. Samo Bog rodio je jedno dete u svoj večnosti. To je razlog zašto je Isus učio, u Jovanu 3:16, da je on "jedinorođeni Sin."Isus je bio rođen - začet - kada je Duh Sveti zasjenio Mariju. Ona je začela čoveka - dete u svojoj utrobi. Duh Sveti zasenio je Mariju i začet je Isus. To čini Duh Sveti- Otac Isusa. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba zamišljenog Trojstva. To ima smisla (da je Duh Sveti i Otac). Obratite pažnju na ove izjave: Bog Otac je Duh. Duh Sveti je Duh. Bog je samo jedan duh. Bog Otac je Sveti. Sveti Duh je Sveti. Obe tvrdnje su da je Otac Isusa Hrista. Stoga .. Otac je Duh Sveti. Duh Sveti je Otac. Otac nije prva osoba Trojstva. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba Trojstva. Otac je Duh Sveti. Isus je telesno punina Božja. Duh prebiva u njemu. Kada napokon stanemo pred prestolje Božje na nebu, videćemo samo jedno prestolje sa samo jednom osobom koja sedi na tom prestolju. Da, Jedna osoba će biti tamo i ta osoba će biti i Bog Otac i JAGNJE istodobno. Jovan je rekao: "Evo, prijestolje je postavljeno na nebu, a JEDAN je sjedio na prijestolju," Otkrivenje 04:02. Jovan ga naziva, "prijestolje Božje i Jaganjetovo", Otkrivenje 22:01. Bog i Jaganjac su jedan, sedi na prestolju JEDAN. Ako vidite Isusa, videćete Jagnje, ali i ćete videti Boga. Punina Božja jeste u Hristu. Isus je rekao: "Ja i moj Otac smo jedno," (Ivan 10:30). On je takođe rekao: "Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" (Ivan 14:09). Je li Isus doista znači da je on i Otac su bili ista osoba? Ili je on samo znači nešto apstraktno poput: "Ja i moj Otac izgledamo vrlo slično"? Ili je on samo, "Ja i moj Otac smo jednojajčani blizanci"? Ili je on samo, "Ja sam klon od Oca"? Ili je On, "Ja sam pljunuta slika Oca"? Ne morate pogađati. Pavle je odgovorio da je, rekavši da je Isus "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. Napomena: Apostol Pavle je učio nauku Jedinstva Boga! Bog ima samo jednu sliku: Isusa Hrista! Bog ima samo jedno telo: Isusa Hrista! Bog je nevidljivi Duh. Njegovo jedino telo je Isus. Zapamtite, Mojsije je rekao da Jahve je jedan. On će uvek biti jedan. On nikada neće biti dva ili tri. Bog će uvek biti samo jedan Gospod. Opet i opet, Bog naglašava izjavljujući da on je jedini - SAM. " Ovako veli Gospodin, otkupitelj tvoj, tvorac tvoj od krila materina: "Ja sam Gospod, stvoritelj svega, koji sam razapeo nebo, sam raspostro zemlju, - tko mi je pomogao?” Isaija 44:24. " Ne bojte se i ne plašite se! Nijesam li ja to davno rekao i objavio, vi ste mi svjedoci: ima li bog osim mene? Ne, nema drugoga boga. Ne znam nijednoga.," Isaija 44:8. "Ja sam prvi i ja sam posljednji: osim mene Boga nema," Isaija 44:6. Nema množine u tim izjavama, nema više osoba. Ako želite videti tačno kako je Bog izgledao u večnosti kroz prošlost, POGLEDAJTE unatrag u večnost da biste videli tu izvornu formu. Uklonite sve što je Bog ikada stvorio, sve dok ništa ne ostane osim Boga. Uklonite čovečanstvo. Uklonite svaku zver, pticu i morska stvorenja, svaku biljku, stablo i cvet. Uklonite zemlju i njen nebeski svod. Uklonite Sunce, Mesec i sve zvezde. Uklonite prestolje Božje. (David reče u psalama 103:19, "Jahve je pripremio svoje prijestolje na nebesima." (Čak i prijestolje je stvorio.) Uklonite grad nebeski. Njegov "graditelj i tvorac Bog", Hebrejima 11:10. Uklonite sve anđela i demone. Oni su svi bili stvoreni od Boga. SADA: Pogledajte u BESKONAČNOG u tami večne prošlosti. Koji oblik vidiš? Kako to Bog izgleda? Vidiš li neka tri čoveka kako hodaju uokolo u svemiru? Apsolutno ne! Vidite li tri bića, druženje i razgovor? Apsolutno ne! Samo ćete naći jedan Duh koji nastanjuje sve u svemu. JEDAN BOG. JEDAN Jahve. Nevidljivi. Nedjeljiv. Bog.Otac.Duh Sveti. U tom trenutku, nije bilo Sina. Sin ne bi došao u postojanje do 4000 godine u prošlo vreme . Isus je potvrdio činjenicu da je Bog nevidljiv. On je rekao farisejima: " Ali glasa njegova niti ste kad čuli, ni lica njegova nijeste vidjeli;," Jovan 5:37. Vi nikada niste vidjeli Njegov oblik. Bog nema oblik! Jovan naglašava: "Nijedan čovjek nikada nije vidio Boga u bilo kojem trenutku," Jovan 1:18. Isus Hrist je bio samo utelovljenje Boga! "Riječ je tijelom postala i nastanila se među nama" Jovan 1:14. "Ko je vidio Mene vidio je i Oca." Filip je pitao Isusa da "nam pokaže Oca." Isus je odgovorio: "Nisam bio tako dugo s vama i još me ne znaš, Filipa? Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" Jovan 14:8-9. ISUS "Njegovo [Božja] telo, punina Onoga koji ispunjava sve u svemu," Efežanima 1:23. Jovan 1:10 nam govori da je "On je bio u svijetu, i svijet po njemu, a svijet ga ne upozna." Jevreji su odbili da veruju da je njihov otac bio u telu Hristovu. No, on je bio u Hristu. "Bog je u Hristu" "Naime, da Bog je u Kristu pomirio svijet sa sobom", 2.Korinćanima 5:19. Pavle opisuje tu misteriju Timoteju: "Bog je bio očitovan u tijelu," Timoteju 3:16. "Punina božanstva Tjelesna" "U Njemu prebiva sva punina božanstva [Božanstvo] tjelesno", Kološanima 2:09. "Došao je k svojima, a Njegova ga ne primiše", Jovan 1:11. Nevidljivi Bog iznenada pojavio, a oni nisu znali ko je On zapravo! Isaija je prorekao da će njegovo ime biti "Emanuel", što znači "Bog s nama", Isaija 7:14, Matej 1:23. "Slika Boga nevidljivoga" Pavle je učio u korintskoj crkvi da je Hrist "slika Boga", 2. Korinćanima 4:4. On je učio kološansku Crkvu da je Sin "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. "Jer se je dopalo Bogu (Otac), da u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva (Otac u Njemu)", Kološanima 1:19. To je razlog zašto je Ivan rekao: "Riječ je tijelom postala." Isus Krist je Jahve Spasitelj koji je došao u telu. U stvari, vrlo je jasno značenje imena "Isus" koje je: "Gospod Spasitelj."Isus je objasnio, "Ja sam došao u ime Oca svoga" Jovan 5:43. Isus nije klon Boga Oca. On nije duplikat božanstva. On nije ”Jehova Mlađi.” On nije su-jednak ili su-večan s Ocem. On nije druga osoba od tri osobe koje postoje. Isus je Otac (večni Duh) očitovan u Sinu (čoveku-telu)! Isus, govoreći kao ČOVEK insistirao da on nije bio jednak s Ocem kad je rekao: "Moj Otac je veći od mene", u I. Otac je veći od Sina! Bog je večni Duh. Sin je čovek rođen od Marije. Isus je to rekao. Otac je rekao, u Isaiji 42:8, "Moju Slava neću dati drugome." Otac i Sin NISU su-jednaki ili su-večni kao što to tvrdi doktrina Trojstva. Isus Hrist nije drugi član božanstva. Isus je čovek u kome prebiva Otac. Jedinstvo Boga je večni nauk od Boga, to je doktrina koja se veruje i propovedala svima u ranoj Crkvi. Doktrina Jedinstva Boga (eng. Oneness) kaže da je večni, nevidljivi Duh (Otac) objavio se u ljudskom telu - Hristovu. Bog je u Hristu. Bog Otac nikada nije izumeo ili stvorio "Boga Sina." To je bogohuljenje, krivoveran pogrešan naziv. Fraza "Bog Sin" nikada se ne pojavljuje u Bibliji. Sin Božji je "rođen od žene" (ne u večnosti, ne u prošlosti) kako kaže Galaćanima 4:4, a "to što je u njoj začeto (govori anđeo Josipu) od Duha je Svetoga", Matej 1:20. U Luki 1:35, "Anđeo odgovori i reče joj, Duh Sveti sići će na te i sila će te Svevišnjega zasjeniti: Zato će se to sveto što je od tebe rođeno zvati Sin Božji.""Začet od Duha Svetoga" znači "Duh Sveti je Otac." U Mateju 01:20, Anđeo je rekao Josipu: "Josipe, sine Davidov, ne boj se uzeti k sebi Mariju, ženu svoju; jer što se je začelo u njoj, od Duha je Svetoga."To nam jasno pokazuje da Duh Sveti je zapravo Otac, jer Ivan je rekao Sin Čovječji "Jedinorođenac od Oca",Jovan 1:14. Ljudsko tijelo Isusovo nije samo začeto od (njegova) Duha Svetoga - Oca, ali je takođe vidljiva ljuska u kojoj je zapravo smešten Otac. Ako Duh Sveti je treća osoba Trojstva, onda prva osoba Trojstva nije otac! Apsolutno je nemoguće pomiriti ove biblijske stihove osim doktrine Jedinstva Boga (oneness) koju naučavamo. Nadalje, ako je Bog Trojstvo tj. tri osobe, a ako je Isus punina božanstva TELESNO, tu međutim imamo tri osobe u Isusovom telu! Naravno, to je apsurd! Isus je punina Boga telesno jer OTAC (Sveti Duh) prebiva u Njemu. Bog nije tri osobe. Bog Gospodin naš je jedan Gospodin. On je JEDAN DUH. To je Duh Oca, koji se je utjelovio u telo Isusa. Punina Boga je Otac i On je u telu Isusa. Svi propovednici u prvom stoleću Crkve razumeli su ko je Isus bio i šta je tvrdio da je. Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je On Bog utelovljen.Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je Bog Otac s neba sišao u telu čoveka. Poslednji izmenio SION dana 2014-08-16, 01:35, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! Doista zanimljivo. Re: Bog je JEDAN! A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Ako je Isusovo carstvo VEČNO kako onda On prestaje biti CAR po učenju nekih? Oni uzimaju ovaj stih kao dokaz: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Hajdemo ovaj stih provući kroz Biblijske poruke da vidimo o čemu je reč. 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. Čujemo da Isus kao spasitelj predaje nekome CARSTVO ali prvo mora UKINUTI nešto a to je POGLAVARSTVA,VLASTI i SILE. U drugom dolasku koji očekujemo Isus će ratovati i uzeti svete i sići da CARUJE tu TEK počinje carovanje i ne ukida ništa jer satana i dalje je živ i živeće mnoštvo grešnika van granica svete zemlje. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. Znači u milenijumu POČINJE CARSTVO i traje 1000 godina a da li prestaje čućemo. Tek kad SVE neprijatelje stavi pod noge (budu prah ili u jezeru) onda je prestanak takve vrste carstva sa tom službom. Mi čitamo da je posle milenijuma pušten satana i da mnoštvo neprijatelja želi rat, dakle ni tad još nije sve to ispunjeno. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. Čitamo da posle milenijuma ide sukob i onda SUD a posle suda ukida se smrt i od tad više NEMA NEPRIJATELJA, ko nema neprijatelja od tad? Nema Isus kao TELO i CAR U TELU a nemaju ni sveti Njegovi. Čujmo sad pažljivo: 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ovo zahteva koncentraciju,Ko SVE pokorava pod čije noge? Isus U TELU treba ukinuti svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast jer TELO to može učiniti isto kao što je trebalo doći da OTKUPI sad dolazi da CARUJE a potom to TELO ima zadnju službu a to je ZATIRANJA svih neprijatelja. Kome TELO to priprema čist put? Onome koji je DUH i po kojem TELO dođe u Mariju i na svet. Ali ponovo želim da pazite na dvojnu obrnutost rečenica sa značenjem pišite i polako čitajte ove redove: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Da li ste zbunjeni? Imamo li kontradikcije u Biblijskom izveštaju? NEMA. Izjava da je Isusovo carstvo večno i da ima presto i da vlada stoji i ne prestaje. A šta zapravo prestaje? Hajde da ne pišem odma da do toga zajedno dođemo. Ovakve stvari inače zadržavam za crkvu gde<se detaljno sve radi ali evo ovaj deo želim podeliti i sa vama. Molim vas ponovo pratite i naglas govorite redom ko kome ravna put-priprema teren da preda carstvo pa napišite vaš zaključak biće mi drago da zajedno čujemo šta ČUJEMO. Re: Bog je JEDAN! SION :: A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Meni se sviđa onaj deo što pravi paralelu zato ga i zalepih mada imam svoje ali neka bude iz više izvora. Ono ispod paralela mi nije dobro ali neću više da vadim iz tekstova šta je po meni ispravno već nudim celinu a zato ću reći dokle je dobro. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Jep ЊeMy Baљa цapoBaTи дokлe He пoлoжи cBe HeпpиjaTeљe cBoje пoд Hore cBoje. A пocлeдњи ћe ce HeпpиjaTeљ ykиHyTи, cMpT. Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Mislim da znate šta želim reći,to je ta zanimljivost koja obično promakne ako se čita a ne sluša. Evo kako ja to ČUJEM: Isus ukida svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast ali tekl posle milenijuma i suda. A kako O to može ukinuti kad to Otac treba da čini? Ko je sudija svoj zemlji? Piše Bog a čitamo da će Isus suditi. A onda kaže: Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Isus pokorava sve pod noge Božje i kad sve ISUS POKORI ali Isus nije pod nogama onog kome sve pokori da bi u sledećem stiglo kako i Isus biva pokoren Bogu koji Isusu sve pokori da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Tako će se Bog konačno u celosti i sili i slavi moći pokazati. Ne više kao stradalno telo i ne više kao ratnik već kao silni Stvoritelj i večni car svega. To je moje verovanje i razumevanje ove teme. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Pitaj Kainosa. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kojи ce roд oдpичe CиHa Hи Oцa HeMa; a kojи пpизHaje CиHa, и Oцa иMa. Ko odriče ISUSA taj je laža. Znači, neko može reći da veruje u Boga ali Isusa da ne priznaje kao Božjeg Sina taj je lažac ali tu nije kraj komentara o takvima pa kaže dalje: Ko odriče SINA taj nema BOGA....kako, pa oni Boga veruju samo Isusa kao Sina ne priznaju šta im to smeta?Nisu oni Boga odrekli već SAMO Sina....a onda kaže da onaj ko nema Sina taj nema Boga kao Oca....zašto? Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić :: Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Ne mogu ljudi to shvatiti jer su te titule proglasili nekim ličnostima i osobama i neće da čuju da je Bog postao telo koje se naziva ISUS HRIST Sin Božiji ALI i Čovečiji! Dakle sva punina Božanstva telesno, a ne polovina ili trećina! Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Nema Kainosa....mislio sam da ima pitanja u vezi toga ko je Bog i ko se kome moli i sl. možda ga prošlo pa ga ne interesuje više kako se Bog mogao javiti u telu i istovremeno biti izvan tela. Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Nema ni Tripa koji reče da je Isus YHWH, ali nije Otac. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve....nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu kad svako razuman ce vam reci da u ovom stihu vidimo dvije osobe...ne samo u ovom nego u stotinu drugih.... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Evo kainosa...kainos kao iskusni menadzer foruma izaija95.lollb.com radi na povecanju clanstva na svom forumu...ovdje pisem da pomognem SIONU jer ja volim klasicne forume a vecina otisla da raspravlja na facebook... Zašto si osnivao novi forum kad si na izaija95.lollb.com imao veliki broj članova? kainos :: vidim da je SION isto dobar menadzer i da je dovukao dosta ljudi samo sto ne pisu... Ne možeš ih puškom naterati da pišu.. kainos :: Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve.... Ovde piše JEDNOG Oca i JEDNOG Isusa Hrista od koga i kroz koga je sve. Jesu li dvojica stvarala sve ili jedan? kainos ::nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu Iskreno ne znam ko je to niti znam tu doktrinu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Pa forum izaija95 je dobro radio a ja kao admin sam imao obaveza i nisam mogao sve to pratiti....i onda pojavom facebooka forumi pocinju propdati...pa onda sam otvorio novi pa je dobro radio i onda ih prebacio na ovaj zadnji pa je isto dobro radio...onda kad nisam bio aktivan malo je opao kad se posvetim opet proradim..trazim clanove kao i ti na svim stranama facebooku i tako.... Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... Znaš da piše na mnogo mesta da je JEDAN stvarao i voleo bih čuti koja to DVOJICA stvaraju reci im IMENA? Možeš li mi pomoći oko onoga što Jovan reče kao bio Bog i iz Boga izlazi kao neka REČ i ta REČ postaje TELOM, da li je to Bog umnožio-reprodukovao ili je došao U TELU? Ako se reprodukovao onda si u pravu ima ih više a ako nije onda je ostao JEDAN kako i reče, a taj jedan stigao za glasom koji viče poravnite staze BOGU NAŠEM (nisu znali da ima više Bogova pa jedninu koristili) i pitaju Boga pokaži nam OCA i On kaže TOLIKO SAM SA VAMA I JOŠ ME NE ZNATE znaju li ga danas svi? I nastavlja OD SAD I POZNAJETE GA I VIDESTE GA kojeg su to Boga videli što im ga Isus pokaza? Koji to Bog dođe za glasom koji viče PORAVNITE STAZE BOGU NAŠEM? koji je to Bog što se zove OTAC VEČNI, BOG SILNI (tu je samo jedan-šteta nije poveo i onu dvojicu). Pavle je kriv, on reče kako se BOG umesto BOGOVI javio U TELU umesto U TELIMA i tako zaveo ljude na JEDNOG BOGA i JEDNO IME. Šta je Arije učio možemo li o tome? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Može stotinu katolika doći i pisati o pretvaranju hleba u telo i prinositi hleb kao žrtvu i nuditi kipove i ikone i koja korist? Može stotinu Branhamovaca nuditi polni odnos satane sa Adamom i Evom kao znak drveta spoznanja i koja korist? Može stotine Js doći i pisati kako nema darova Duha i kako je Isus prvo stvorenje a Duh energija i koja korist? Može doći stotinu satanista i nuditi truglove-piramide i zrake sunca i slobodu od Božje reči i koja korist? Bog podržava onog što podržava Božju reč i svedoči za istu a sve ostalo vetar odnosi i nestaje jer je slama i pljeva. Sponsored content » IVF i astrologija » jedan astrolog mi je rekao da cu preci u lezbejke?? molim vas , da li je tako nesto moguce?? » uporedni horoskop » 2. i 3. kolo obelezila tri velika derbija i jedan sraman dogadjaj!