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Second Reformed Church is an ancient-future community at 132 Elmwood Ave, Irvington, New Jersey 07111. We are members of the Reformed Church in America. We exist to glorify God, preach and teach the Bible alone, and spread the Gospel of Salvation in Jesus Christ Alone. Worship is held every Sunday (D.V.) at 10:30 AM. Please call 973-373-4525 for our current schedule of events. The secretary is in the office on Thursdays from 10 AM to 12 PM. Wednesday, February 21, 2007 Ash Wednesday Service Tonight Tuesday, February 20, 2007 Thursday Night Prayer & Study Monday Puritan Sunday, February 18, 2007 Sunday Sermon February 18, 2007 Second Reformed Church We concluded our current look at the Doctrine of the Trinity last Sunday, and today, as a bridge from that topic to the Lenten season, we are looking at a Psalm about the chief attribute our of Triune God: holiness. On this Transfiguration Sunday, we are looking at the revelation that God is Holy. And after these past several weeks, we can say, the Father is Holy and the Son is Holy and the Spirit is Holy. What does it mean when we call God "holy"? What does "holy" mean? When we say that something or someone is holy, we are ascribing the greatest possible purity, ability, being to it or him. When we say that God is Holy, we are saying that God is the Greatest, Purest, Ablest, Most Perfect, Most -- everything else we can ascribe to God. There is none greater than God and God, in His Greatness, is Most Pure, Most Innocent, Most Everything Good. St. Anselm said that God is "that than which none greater can be conceived" (Cf., "The Ontological Argument for the Existence of God.") Psalm 99 can be divided into three different verses, of differing lengths. Let us look at each verse of this song separately: "The Lord is king; let the peoples tremble! He sits enthroned upon the cherubim; let the earth quake! The Lord is great in Zion; he is exalted over all the peoples. Let them praise your great and awesome name. Holy is he!" The Psalmist opens his hymn with the declaration that YHWH is king; God is the ruler. Of what? Of everything. God is the Sovereign Ruler over all. He always was and He will always be. Everything occurs under the banner of His Sovereignty and under His Control. Not an atom can fall out of place, not a sparrow can perish, not a hair can fall from our heads without the Divine Sovereign’s permission and will. Christian! Is that not good news? Our God, our Triune God, is perfectly, wholly carrying out His Good Plan throughout the universe. Neither the Taliban, nor Al Qaida, nor the Republicans, nor Democrats, can thwart the Hand of our Almighty God. Do not be afraid, brothers and sisters, our God is King! We do not need to be afraid, but those who do not believe, the Psalmist says that they should tremble before our God, because He is Holy, and all must stand before the judgment seat on that final day, and there is One and Only One Way that anyone can survive, and that is through the Blood of Jesus Christ. It is only through believing in Jesus Christ Alone for Salvation that anyone will survive the judgment. David Dickson wrote, "Albeit the church be compassed about with enemies, as the lily among the thorns, yet because her Lord reigneth in the midst of her, she hath reason not only to comfort herself in him, but also hath the ground of defying her enemies and boasting against them; ..." (The Treasury of David, vol. Our God is He Who sits upon, or between, the cherubim, those angels with wings, and eyes covering their whole bodies, with four faces, those heavenly bouncers that were set at the Garden of Eden to keep out Adam and Eve and their children -- forever. God sits above these mighty angels, and the earth quakes, the earth shudders, the created realm has sense enough that when God Almighty, the Holy God appears, that they fall down and shudder in unworthiness, covering their creatureliness before their Creator. Remember how the seraphim covered themselves as they flew in the presence of God as Isaiah looked on and how the very temple itself shook in awe before God her Creator. Why? Because He is Holy. We have come into the sanctuary of the Holy God this morning. Have we been moved in His Presence? Have we felt anything in this place, before the One God Who reigns? If we haven't felt something emotionally, have we at least understood intellectually, where we are and Whose Presence we have come before? All peoples are admonished to praise the Great and Awesome Name of God -- it can be translated "the Great and Terrible Name of God." And God is Great and Awesome, or Terrible, for the same reason -- He is Holy. He is Holy and Great; He is to be praised among the peoples, for He is the Ever-Good God. He does no evil. He is not petty. He is not forgetful. He is not lazy. He is not like the other gods. He is Holy and Awesome, and keep in mind the other translation of Terrible, because God is Holy in the sense that being in the mere presence of His Holy Law exposes our sin, and Isaiah found when he, even the prophet of God, came into God's Presence, he was undone. If we have truly come before God, we have been exposed, our darkest parts have been seen, our secrets have become known, that which we most greatly desire to keep hidden is before His Holy Gaze. "The misery of sin consists not merely in its consequences, but in its very nature, which is to separate between God and our souls, and to shut us out from God, and God from us" (Alfred Edershaim in The Treasury of David, vol. But, there is hope, for those who belong to this God, as one commentator put it, "The FATHER'S name is 'great,' for he is the source, the Creator, the Lord of all; the SON'S name is 'terrible,' for he it to be our judge; the name of the HOLY GHOST is 'holy,' for he it is who bestows hallowing and sanctification" (Hugo Cardinalis, Genebrardus, and Balthazar Corderius in The Treasury of David, vol. And He is to be praised at all times. Charles Spurgeon wrote, "Under the most terrible aspect the Lord is still to be praised. Many profess to admire the milder beams of the sun of righteousness, but burn with rebellion against its more flaming radiance: so it ought not to be: we are bound to praise a terrible God and worship him who casts the wicked down to hell" (The Treasury of David, vol. Hard as it seems, when God strikes us, when God chastises us, when God allows us to reap the rewards of our sin, God is still to be praised. God is not to blame for our sin, nor from giving us justice. In this fallen world, we must endure the fruits of sin, even to the final earthly fruit of death. Still, in life and in death, we have reason to praise God, because He is Holy. "Mighty King, lover of justice, you have established equity; you have executed justice and righteousness in Jacob. Extol the Lord our God; worship at his footstool. Holy is he!" Our Holy God, the Ruler of Rulers, the Lord of the Universe, is the God of Justice and Equity, and He not only desires justice and equity, but He causes justice and equity and righteousness, by bringing them to pass. Charles Spurgeon wrote, "Justice is not merely established, but executed in God’s kingdom; the laws are carried out, the executive is as righteous as the legislative" (The Treasury of David, vol. God is bringing about justice and equity and righteousness, through His Son and through His Kingdom, as it comes to earth. We will not always live in a world of corruption and deceit. The day is coming when God's Kingdom will fully be among us, when the New Heaven and the New Jerusalem and the New Earth will fully reflect the Glory of God forever and ever. And His will be a Kingdom of Truth and Righteousness. Sin and evil will have been put down, forever to receive their reward. And now we look for it, we ready ourselves for it, we work to make ourselves ready for it by the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit Who is even now readying us, changing us, to the Glory of our Holy God. Let all creation and every people praise our God for His Government. Let us always praise our God, our King, our Savior, for He is worthy; let us be worthy for Him. Let us worship at His footstool. Let us humble ourselves before Him. Yes, we might come into the Throne Room of God, boldly, as His sons, but not presumptuously, not sinfully, not pridefully. Let us understand that we are creatures, beloved creatures, brothers and sisters of Jesus. Yet, let us bow in heart and soul and mind and strength, if not also in body, before our Holy God, Who calls us and loves us and makes us like His Son, our Savior. "Moses and Aaron were among his priests, Samuel also was among those who called on his name. They cried out to the Lord, and he answered them. He spoke to them in the pillar of the cloud; they kept his decrees, and the statutes that he gave them. O Lord our God, you answered them; you were a forgiving God to them, but an avenger of their wrongdoings. Extol the Lord our God and worship at his holy mountain; for the Lord our God is holy." God has given us earthly priests, people who speak for God and bring the prayers of the people to God. This does not mean, as some teach, that we can only pray or repent through a minister. No, we all have direct access to God, through Jesus Christ. However, ministers are in a peculiar and special office, as they give the Word of God to the people and lift the prayers of the people to God. Just as God gave priests in the days of the Bible, God also gives ministers, His priests, today. God has given ministers who speak the Word of God, Who bring the Law of God before the people, that they may see it and repent and return to God. And, as then, God will answer our prayers -- in His Time, according to His Will -- and He will continue to speak to us through His Word. And God will always answer the prayers of His people, and God has given us His Word forever. But God expects more of us than to repent; God expects us to do what is right. We are to repent of our sin, we are to pray to God, we are to receive His Forgiveness, and then we are to know His Word and believe His Word and keep His Word. Most of our denominations began because one or both sides of an argument refused to believe what God had said. Most of the arguments in our own denomination occur because one or both sides have refused to believe what God has said. And I have said it before and I will say it again: God, out of His Great Mercy, has given us His Word, in a language that most people can understand most of what is in it, and everyone can understand what is necessary for salvation and life. Yes, there are difficult passages, but most of them are not. "You shall not commit adultery." It doesn't take a PhD in Bible to figure out what that means. "You shall not lie." "No one comes to the Father except through Jesus." "Feed the poor." "Praise God in all things." We are saved by Jesus Alone, but God has given us work to do and a way to live, and I am afraid that most of the Church has stuck her fingers in her ears and is saying, "la-la-la-la-la," while the Word of God is being preached. We cannot continue to dismiss the Word of God; we cannot continue to neglect the Word of God -- and the doing of it. "Well, aren't we forgiven of all our sins?" Yes, Pharisee, but how? We are forgiven by Jesus Christ suffering the Wrath of God -- the whole eternity of Hell in a moment -- on a cross. The Psalmist tells us that "you were a forgiving God to them, but an avenger of their wrong doings." God forgives us in Jesus, but the punishment for sin is still carried out. We cannot do whatever we want and have no consequences. Even if we "get away" with a sin, even if we think we did not suffer for some sin we committed while on earth, Jesus suffered horrifically. How can we continue to sin, unless we are sadists? Unless we enjoy Christ’s suffering, unless we wish we were there to say, "Whip Him again!" -- if we know we caused His Suffering -- that these sins now caused His Suffering... Thomas Goodwin wrote, "The covenant that is made with us in Christ is not a covenant made with works, but with persons; and therefore, though the works be often hateful, yet he goes on to love the persons; and that he may continue to love them, destroys out of them what he hates, but cutteth not them off. A member that is leprous or ulcerous, a man loves it as it is 'his own flesh,' Eph. V. 29, though he loathes the corruption and putrefaction that is in it; and therefore he doth not presently cut it off, but purgeth it daily, lays plasters to it to eat the corruption out: whereas a wart or even a wen that grows on a man's body, a man gets it cut off, for he doth not reckon it as his flesh" (The Treasury of David, vol. How Great, how Awesome, how Merciful is our God; He is worthy of praise, is He not? He is Worthy, because He is Holy. "So let us extol the Lord our God, and worship at his holy mountain; for the Lord our God is holy." Let us pray: Almighty and Holy God, Sovereign King, we bow before You in awe of Your Holiness and Mercy. How is it that You have chosen us for Yourself? Why do You listen to Your foolish children? Why did You come to save us? Great is the Lord, worthy of praise. Holy God, receive our thanks. In Jesus' Name, Amen. Monday, February 12, 2007 Monday Puritan (Folowing Three Deaths This Week) Sunday Sermon February 11, 2007 Second Reformed Church This morning we heard texts that we have referred to several times already in our look at the main issues or points concerning the Doctrine -- or teaching -- of the Trinity, as we find it in the Scripture. In our first Scripture, let us notice that we are to baptize in the One Name -- it's singular -- "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." And as we have seen, all Three are the One God, so this makes sense. As were look at our second Scripture, it is obvious that there are Three Persons involved, other than John the Baptist. We have Jesus, Who is called "the beloved Son" by the Voice from heaven. We have the Father, Who calls from heaven, speaking of and to Jesus, and we have the Spirit of God Who comes from heaven and "rests" on Jesus. The Father, the Son, and God the Spirit plainly, obviously, simply, are Three separate and distinct Persons. All Three Persons can be in one place at the same time and known as separate Persons. The Father is not the Son, and the Father is not the Spirit, and the Son is not the Father, and the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son. But -- and this is where we understand the finitude of our minds -- the Father and the Son and the Spirit are all the One God. The Father and the Son and the Spirit are the Same One Being. They are of the Same Essence. There is One and Only One God, and God is known in the Three Persons of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. How do we wrap our minds around this? It would be easy to say that there is Only One God Who acts in a variety of ways, but that is not what this doctrine is teaching. It would be easy to say that there are three gods, but that is not what this doctrine is teaching. And there is a tendency for us, as humans, to slide toward one of these views or the other, because our mind cannot fully comprehend what is taught in the Scripture about the Trinity. However, God has told us what He has told us in the Scripture, and He wants us to know that much and to know Him, so we teach as the Church has always taught, that there is Only One God, but God exists in Three Persons. It may help to think about the word "one." Dwight Pryor. "One God & Lord." http://www.jcstudies.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?articleid=73 -- thanks, Scott N!] If we turn back to Genesis chapter one, we find that God created a man, and then in chapter two, verse fifteen, "And YHWH Elohim took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it." Verse eighteen: "Then YHWH Elohim said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make a helper fit for him.'" Verses twenty-one and twenty-two: "So YHWH Elohim caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that YHWH Elohim had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man." And verse twenty-four: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." What happens? God creates one man. God takes part of the man and makes one women. Then, God says that the two together make one. When God created one man, the word that is used, when God says that he is one, alone, the word that is used for one is yahid which means one in the sense of a singularity. But when God says that the man and the woman coming together in marriage makes them one flesh, the word for one that is used there is ehad, which means one in the sense of unity. One can be a plurality when it is a unity. When we say that Adam was one man, we understand that he was a singularity -- yahid -- a single man. We do not mean that when we talk about marriage -- when a man and a woman join together in marriage and become one flesh, they do not suddenly melt or fuse or merge together. No, a married man and women are one -- ehad -- a unity of persons. Ah, perhaps you just thought of a possible connection! When we look at the word that is used in Deuteronomy 6:4, "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord" -- Deuteronomy 6:4 uses ehad indicating that the One God is a unity, similar to the unity of a man and a woman in marriage. Now, the image falls short, because the Three Persons of the Trinity are not different beings who got married; they are the Same One Being, Who exists in as a unity of Three Persons. In a similar way that Adam and Eve were a unity of the same being. With this, perhaps we are wise to believe what God has said, and say with Job, "Behold, I am of small account; what shall I answer you? I lay my hand over my mouth, I have spoken once, and I will not answer; twice, but I will proceed no further" (Job 40:4-5). Then again, as the joke goes, the biggest lie a minister ever tells is, "And for my final point...." With all that we have looked at over the past few weeks in mind, let us look at four heretical responses to the doctrine of the Trinity. Remember, a heresy is something that the Historic Church, the Church Universal, the Church throughout the ages, has condemned as being false teaching. There are four major modern heresies regarding the Trinity: The first heresy, the first false teaching, is that of the Unitarians and the Muslims. The Unitarians and the Moslems both confess belief in One God; they both confess belief in Jesus as a wise teacher or prophet. But they deny that Jesus and the Spirit are God. In denying that Jesus and the Spirit are God, they have cut themselves off from the truth of Salvation in Jesus Christ Alone. A second heresy is that of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Again, they believe in One God, but they teach that Jesus is a lesser god, a lower god, a being similar to God, but not the same God as God the Father. They believe that there is One God Almighty, and then there are lesser gods -- beings greater than humans, greater than the angels, but less than God Almighty. Here was have a similar problem to the first heresy: if Jesus is less than the Father, if He is less divine, less holy, less almighty, then, again, they have cut themselves off from the truth of Salvation in Jesus Christ Alone. For, if Jesus was not equal in Being to God the Father, if He was not of the Same Essence as the Father, then He did not survive the crucifixion, or, even if by some chance He survived, He could not have paid the debt for all of our sins, because He is less that the God Who condemns us, and we are still doomed to eternal Hell. A third heresy is found in Oneness Pentecostalism, which teaches that there is Only One God, but there is also only one person. They teach that God does not exist is Three Persons, we only think He does, and what is actually happening is that God is acting in a variety of modes or manifestations. The heresy here is that they deny that Jesus, the real human being, is God, so again, they have cut themselves off from the truth of Salvation in Jesus Christ Alone. If Jesus was not God, He could not have survived the crucifixion. And if God, somehow, is said to take our place, but is not truly human, then God has violated His Own Word that no one but a human can take the place of a human in punishment. Thus, we would not be saved, but would, rather still be doomed to eternal Hell. And a fourth heresy is found in Mormonism or the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. Whereas the first three affirm that there is One God and then fall short in their teachings on the Three Persons, Mormons teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are Three distinct Persons because they are three different gods. In fact, they teach that there are many gods, and human beings can become gods. In some senses, this heresy is furthest from Christianity, because Christianity affirms One and Only One God. If there are many gods and we can all become gods, then, despite Mormons claiming to believe the Bible, what the Bible teaches is somewhere between irrelevant and wrong. But, in fact, this leaves them cut off from salvation in Jesus Christ Alone. And, in fact, rather than becoming gods ourselves, we would perish in everlasting Hell. The Doctrine of the Trinity is not one hundred percent clear in ever way, but it is taught in the Scripture. It is the Truth that was given to us by God that we might know Him and glorify Him and be saved by Him. And we can know and affirm these things: There is Only One God. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The Father is a distinct and separate Person from the Son and the Holy Spirit, and the Son is a distinct and separate Person from the Father and the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is a distinct and separate Person from the Father and the Son. And the Father is not the Son, and the Father is not the Spirit, and the Son is not the Father, and the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son. There is One and Only One God, and He exists in Three Persons. This is the Truth and the Teaching of God, the Scripture, and the Church Universal. These are the elements of the Doctrine of the Trinity. Let us pray: Almighty God and Father, Son Who saved and saves us, Holy Spirit Who has made us and makes us holy, we praise and glorify the Name of the One God. We thank You for the gift of Your Word, for Your salvation, and for Your indwelling of us. We ask that we would continue to know You better. We ask that You would cause us to read and understand Your Word and come to You in Worship and joy more and more. Satisfy us with Yourself. For it is in Jesus' Name we pray, Amen. Wednesday, February 07, 2007 Last Sunday's Sermon February 4, 2007 Second Reformed Church As I begin this morning's sermon, let me remind you that this is only one sermon in a series on the Doctrine of the Trinity. We are looking at one component of the doctrine this morning, that the Holy Spirit is God. And let us being to understand this by denying two common errors is the church: First, the Holy Spirit is not the spirit of Jesus or the spirit of Christ. The Holy Spirit is not Jesus "living in our hearts." Jesus and the Holy Spirit are two separate and distinct Persons. Second, the Holy Spirit is not our spirit, perfected, holy, glorified, "Christianized," or whatever else one might say. Our spirit, our soul, is distinct and not the same thing as the Person of the Holy Spirit. No, the Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit is One of the Three Persons of the Godhead Who are the One God. We can see in our Scripture this morning that the Holy Spirit is God: Mary was a virgin when the angel Gabriel visited her and told her that she would bear the Christ, the Savior. And Mary asked how is was possible for her to be with child since she had never known a man, and Gabriel told her that the Holy Spirit would come upon her -- He would cause her to be with Child supernaturally by the Power of the Most High -- that is, God. The Holy Spirit has the Power of God. And He will cause the child to be formed in her, such that He will be born holy and will be the Son of God. The Holy Spirit, Who has the Power of God and will cause the conception and birth of the Son of God, is, therefore, God. If we look back to the Creation, in Genesis 1:2, we see that the Holy Spirit created all that is -- the Spirit of God created all that is. Now, a word about translations: the translation in our pew says, "a wind from God" blew, which tells us nothing about the Third Person of the Trinity. The key word is ruach, which can be translated "wind" or "spirit." Most other translations rightly translated it "spirit" in this context. "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." The Holy Spirit created the creation, with the Father and the Son. We have the same parallel in the New Testament, where the word pneuma is used, which can also be translated "wind" or "spirit." "And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:2-4). Here, the translators of our pew Bible translated the word as "spirit," which makes sense. But if they were consistent, they could have translated the text, "and they were filled with a lot of wind and began to speak in other tongues," which makes absolutely no sense. That is the point I am trying to make about translation: there are times when translators translate based on their assumptions, not based on what makes sense contextually. The translators of our pew Bible didn't want the Holy Spirit present at the Creation. But, in looking at the parallel in the New Testament, we can see that the Holy Spirit is Creator, just as we saw the Father and the Son are Creator. They are the One God Who created everything that is, but they are distinct and separate Persons. Isaiah prophesied about Judah speaking for God saying, "'Draw near to me and hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be, I have been there.' And now Adonai YHWH has sent me, and his Spirit. Thus says the YHWH, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: 'I am YHWH Elohim,'" (Isaiah 48:16-17a). Here we have God the Lord, the Spirit of God, and God the Redeemer. And Paul writes, "Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?" (I Corinthians 3:16). Here, the Spirit is identified as the Spirit of God or God, the Spirit. We also see that the Holy Spirit lives in the people of God. Still, the Holy Spirit is a separate Person from God the Father and God the Son. The Holy Spirit is God -- we are told to baptize in the One Name or the Single Name, "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19b). But we do not forget that at Jesus' Baptism, we saw God the Father speaking from Heaven, God the Son being baptized, and God the Holy Spirit descending like a dove -- all Three Persons of the One God exist distinctly and separately, as seen in His Baptism. We understand from the Scripture that God the Holy Spirit -- not the Father, not Jesus -- lives in us and remains within us forever. Paul tells us that "[Christ] has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee [of our election]" (II Corinthians 1:22). "So that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith" (Galatians 1:22). God the Holy Spirit lives in us and guarantees that we are members of Christ, of the Church, of the people of God. Understand that there is a real, distinct, divine person living in every Christian. The Holy Spirit does not become part of us, He remains a distinct, separate Person, Who lives in us. "Well, what does He do in there? Why does God the Holy Spirit live in every Christian?" For several reasons: First, God the Holy Spirit lives in us to bring us to sanctification; it is the job of the Holy Spirit to lead us into holiness. Peter wrote that the elect are "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for the sprinkling with his blood;" (I Peter 1:2a-b). God the Holy Spirit lives in us to bring us to perfect obedience to Jesus Christ. Second, God the Holy Spirit lives in us to "teach [us] all things and bring to [our] remembrance all that [Jesus said]" (John 14:26). God the Holy Spirit causes us to understand and remember the Scripture. Thirdly, God the Holy Spirit lives in us to convict the world of sin and righteousness and judgment. God works through us to show and prove that the world are sinners, that Jesus ascended to God the Father in Glory, and to show the rule of the Kingdom of God, already on earth, because Satan has lost. Jesus said, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged" (John 16:7-11). And Jesus promised that God the Holy Spirit will remain with the Christ forever: "And I will ask the Father, and he will send you another Helper, who will be with you forever" (John 14:16). Notice the one thing that the Holy Spirit does not do: He does not bring attention to Himself. For this reason, many theologians refer to the Holy Spirit as the "shy" member of the Trinity. The Scripture is clear that the Holy Spirit is equal in divinity to the Father and the Son, and that they exist is Three distinct Persons, but God the Holy Spirit's Work among us is largely to point us to Jesus. The Holy Spirit causes us to believe, understand, and witness to the Salvation of Jesus Christ Alone. Although all Three members of the Trinity are equally the One God, it is the primary work of the Holy Spirit to turn all to Jesus. As we turn our attention to the table that is set before us, we remember that God the Father sent His Son into the world to be sacrificed for the sins of God’s people. As we receive the elements, Jesus is spiritually with us, and we meet Him, like we have just met Him in the Word, and then, the Holy Spirit applies the Grace of Jesus Christ to us, that we might be strengthened and made ready for the good works that God has set before us that we should do them. So, let us pray: Almighty God, One in Three and Three in One, we bow before You in worship and awe. We are amazed at the mystery of Yourself and the Grace that You give to us. We thank You that You brought us to Yourself and use us for Your Glory. We ask that we would remember what You have said in Your Word, and we ask that the Holy Spirit would help us to understand. And now as we come to the table, we pray that Jesus would meet with us and the Holy Spirit would apply His Grace to us. For it is in Jesus' Name we pray, Amen.
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Bog je JEDAN! Bog je JEDAN! „Bog je JEDAN!” (Galaćanima 3, 20) Jedan je Bog.Samo je JEDAN BOG! Ova doktrina je centralna u Biblijskoj PORUCI zajedno i za Stari i za Novi Zavet. Bez obzira na jednostavnost ove poruke i jasnoću s kojom ju Biblija prezentuje, mnogi koji veruju u Boga i Njegovo postojanje to ne razumeju. Uz te koji se svrstavaju među hrišćane, imamo nekoliko različitih stajališta koja se sukobljuju po pitanju božanstva. Jedan od pogleda, nazvan trinitarijanstvo tvrdi da postoje tri različite osobe u Božanstvu. Bog Otac, Bog Sin, Bog Duh Sveti, a li ipak „jedan Bog.” Izraziti hrišćanski monoteisti veruju u JEDNOGA BOGA, ali i dalje veruju da je punina Božanstva manifestovana (očitovana) u HRISTU. Oni veruju da je Otac, Sin, i Duh Sveti manifestacije, modeli, službe, ili odnosi kako se jedan Bog objavio ljudima. Veruju u nevidljivo jedinstvo Boga i puninu Božanstva Isusa Hrista i često koriste termin „onenes” kako bi opisali svoje verovanje. Klasično objašnjenje doktrine o Jednom Bogu pronalazimo u Ponovljenom Zakonu 6, 4: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.”Ovaj redak Pisma postao je jako karakteristična i važna stavka za Jevreje. Oni to nazivaju „SHEMA” (ŠEMA), poslije prve reči fraze na Hebrejskom: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.” Tradicionalno, pobožno Jevreji uvek pokušavaju ovo učiniti ispovedanjem vere pre svoje smrti. PRIRODA BOŽJA „Bog je duh, i koji mu se klanjaju, moraju mu se klanjati u duhu i u istini." (Jovan 4, 24) Naš mali ljudski um ne može istražiti i shvatiti svo to znanje o Bogu, ali Biblija opisuje jako važne karakeristike i atribute koje Bog posjeduje. Bog je Duh. On je nevidljiv osim ako ne izabere da se manifestira u formi vidljivoj ljudima. "Lica mojega ne možeš ugledati; jer ni jedan čovjek ne može me vidjeti i ostati živ." (Izlazak 33, 20) „Boga niko nije vidio nikada.” (Ivan 1, 18; 1. Ivanova 4, 12) „Koji jedini ima besmrtnost i prebiva u svjetlosti, kojoj se ne može pristupiti; kojega nitko od ljudi nije vidio.” (1. Timoteju 6, 16) Ali Bog je svoju prirodu otkrio čovječanstvu naročito kroz vidljive manifestacije. IMENA I TITULE BOŽJE „I nema ni u jednom drugom spasenja; jer nema drugoga imena pod nebom danoga ljudima, u kojem treba da se spasimo." (Djela 4, 12) Čak niti kroz to mi u potpunosti ne možemo shvatiti Boga, Bog koristi više načina da nam pokaže Sebe. Jedna od tih metoda je korišćenje različitih imena i titula da bi otkrio Sebe. „YAHWEH” (Jehova) je otkupiteljsko ime Božje u Starom Zavjetu (Izlazak 6, 3-8.). „Sam Gospod, to je ime moje. Časti svoje ne dajem drugomu, slave svoje ne dajem idolima.“ (Izaija 42:8.). To podrazumeva da postoji Samo-postojeći Jedan ili Jedino Večni Bog. Ovaj koncept javlja se u frazama „Ja sam Onaj koji Jesam!” „JA SAM” korištenih od Boga osobno. U Starom Zavjetu, Bog postupno više otkriva Sebe u potrebama u životima ljudi, i On koristi imena da bi izrazio se otkrivajući Sebe. Kada je Avraam trebao jagnje za žrtvu, Bog je Sebe otkrio kao JAHVE JIRAH, Bog koji proviđa. Kada je Izrael trebao oslobođenje, Bog se otkrio u imenu JAHVE prethodno nepoznatim značenjem sa poštovanjem za oslobođenje i spasenje. Kada je Izrael trebao zaštitu od bolesti i tegoba, Bog se otkrio kao JAHVE-RAPHA, Bog koji ozdravlja. Kada je Izrael trebao pobjedu nad neprijateljima, Bog je otkrio Sebe kao JAHVE-NISSI, Bog naša Zastava. Ova imena i titule opisuju skupa sva očitovanja važnih aspekata o prirodi Božjoj. Kada je došla punina vremena Bog je želio objaviti se Njegovom narodu i Sebe otkriti u svoj Njegovoj moći i slavi kroz IME ISUS. Isus znači JAHVE SPASITELJ, JAVE NAŠE SPASENJE ili Jahve je SPASENJE. I zato anđeo kaže: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime Isus; jer će on izbaviti narod svoj od grijeha njegovih." (Matej 1, 21) ISUS JE BOG „Jer u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva tjelesno.” (Kološanima 2, 9) Činjenica da je Isus Bog čvrsto je utemeljena na Pismu kao činjenica da je JEDAN BOG. Biblijsko učenje da Isus je potpuno Bog i potpuno čovjek. Isaija 9, 6 je jedan od najmoćnijih dokaza da je ISUS BOG: „Jer nam se rodi dijete, sin nam se dade. Vlast počiva na plećima njegovim, 'čudo od savjetnika' glasi ime njegovo, 'Jaki Bog, 'Otac vječni', 'Knez mira'.” Izrazi dijete i sin ukazuju na utjelovljenje, ili na manifestaciju „moćnoga Boga!” a „Oca Vječnoga!” Novi Zavjet također ispovijeda da je ISUS BOG. Toma je ispovedio Isusu obadvoje: GOSPOD I BOG (Jovan 20, 28.) Prema Delima 22, 28, crkva je otkupljena sa Božjom vlastitom krvlju, zapravo HRISTOVOM KRVLJU. Pavle Isusa opisuje kao „našega velikoga Boga i Spasitelja, Isusa Hrista.” (Titu 2, 13,) BOG SE MANIFESTOVAO U TELU Činjenica da je Isus Bog nužno podrazumijeva da je Bog uzeo ljudsko telo. To je činjenica o kojoj Biblija kaže: „I kao što je priznato, velika je tajna pobožnosti: On se javio u tijelu, opravdao se u Duhu, pokazao se anđelima, propovijedao se neznabošcima, vjerovao se u svijetu, uznio se u slavi.” (1. Timoteju 3, 16) Jovan 1, 1-15 predivno uči koncept Božjeg manifestovanja u telu. U početku bijaše RIJEČ (LOGOS). Riječ nije posebna osoba ili odijeljeni Bog ništa više nego što je ljudska reč odvojena osoba od čoveka. Pre je Reč bila planirana u Božjim mislima. „U početku bijaše Riječ, i Riječ, bijaše u Boga, i Bog bijaše Riječ.” (Jovan 1, 1) Utelovljenje (inkarnacija) je postojala u naumu Božjem pre postanka sveta. U naumu Božjem Jagnje je ubijeno pre utemeljenja sveta (1. Petrova 1, 19-20; Otktivenje 13,8.). OTAC, SIN, DUH SVETI „Ja i Otac smo JEDNO.” (Jovan 10, 30) ”Ja ću moliti Oca i On će vam dati drugoga Tješitelja... Duha ISTINE!” (Jovan 14, 16-17). Da li termini Otac, Sin i Duh Sveti označavaju tri različite osobe ili osobnosti u Božanstvu? Ili pak oni otkrivaju tri različite uloge, modela, funkcije, ili službe kroz koje Jedan Bog deluje i otkriva sebe? Bog je Otac, On nije samo Otac Sinu već Otac svemu stvorenju (Malahija 2, 10; Jevrejima 12, 9). Isus naučava puno puta da je Bog naš Otac (Matej 5,16, 45, 48). Učio nas je moliti: ”Oče naš koji jesi na Nebesima.” (Matej 6, 9). Termin „Sin Božji” odnosi se na Boga kao manifestovanog u telu u osobi Isusa Hrista za spasenje čovečanstva. Ime Sina je ISUS: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime ISUS." (Matej 1, 21). „Otac” se odnosi samo na Božanstvo kao utjelovljenje u čovečanstvu. Jovan 14, 10 kaže nam da je Otac u Sinu. Ako je Duh Sveti jednostavno Bog, zašto je potreban ovaj termin? Razlog zašto se naglašava osobni aspekt Božji. Naglašava da je On svet, sveprisutan, i nevidljivi Duh koji radi među svim ljudima posvuda i koji može ispuniti ljudima srca. Kada govorimo o Svetome Duhu, mi se podsećamo na Božje nevidljivo delovanje među ljudima i Njegove sposobnosti da pomazuje, krsti, ispunjava, i prebiva u ljudskim životima. ZAKLJUČAK Pa šta možemo reći o Bogu? Prvo, tamo je Jedan nevidljivi Bog koji ne postoji u više različitih osoba. Drugo, Isus Hrist je punina Božjeg utelovljenja. On je Bog Otac – Jahve u Starom Zavetu- manifestovan u telu. SAV BOG je u ISUSU HRISTU, i u Njemu imamo sve što nam je potrebno. JEDINI BOG kojeg ćemo u Nebu videti je ISUS HRIST. Poslednji put izmenio SION dana 2015-01-20, 15:53, izmenio ukupno 5 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! On se naziva Sin Božji, jer je začet u utrobi Marije. Bog nikada nije smislio drugi duh. Bog nije osmislio Večnoga Sina. Sinovstvo je proizišlo iz začeća i nije večno. Sin samo može biti rođen NAKON što je žena zatrudnela. Bog nikada nije dao začeće nekoj ženi pre Marije. Bog nikada nije imao sina pre Marijinog začeća osim Isusa Hrista. To dete je Božji jedinorođeni Sin. Sada je Isus večan - što će reći da je " Njegova punina vlasti, mir nema nikada kraja.", Isaija 9:07. Ali Sin Božji nije postojao dok nije začet ljudski i telesno u utrobi Marije. Pre je Isus bio zamišljen kao čovek, Bog je bestelesan. Bog je SAMO DUH. JEDAN nepodeljen Duh. Samo Bog rodio je jedno dete u svoj večnosti. To je razlog zašto je Isus učio, u Jovanu 3:16, da je on "jedinorođeni Sin."Isus je bio rođen - začet - kada je Duh Sveti zasjenio Mariju. Ona je začela čoveka - dete u svojoj utrobi. Duh Sveti zasenio je Mariju i začet je Isus. To čini Duh Sveti- Otac Isusa. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba zamišljenog Trojstva. To ima smisla (da je Duh Sveti i Otac). Obratite pažnju na ove izjave: Bog Otac je Duh. Duh Sveti je Duh. Bog je samo jedan duh. Bog Otac je Sveti. Sveti Duh je Sveti. Obe tvrdnje su da je Otac Isusa Hrista. Stoga .. Otac je Duh Sveti. Duh Sveti je Otac. Otac nije prva osoba Trojstva. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba Trojstva. Otac je Duh Sveti. Isus je telesno punina Božja. Duh prebiva u njemu. Kada napokon stanemo pred prestolje Božje na nebu, videćemo samo jedno prestolje sa samo jednom osobom koja sedi na tom prestolju. Da, Jedna osoba će biti tamo i ta osoba će biti i Bog Otac i JAGNJE istodobno. Jovan je rekao: "Evo, prijestolje je postavljeno na nebu, a JEDAN je sjedio na prijestolju," Otkrivenje 04:02. Jovan ga naziva, "prijestolje Božje i Jaganjetovo", Otkrivenje 22:01. Bog i Jaganjac su jedan, sedi na prestolju JEDAN. Ako vidite Isusa, videćete Jagnje, ali i ćete videti Boga. Punina Božja jeste u Hristu. Isus je rekao: "Ja i moj Otac smo jedno," (Ivan 10:30). On je takođe rekao: "Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" (Ivan 14:09). Je li Isus doista znači da je on i Otac su bili ista osoba? Ili je on samo znači nešto apstraktno poput: "Ja i moj Otac izgledamo vrlo slično"? Ili je on samo, "Ja i moj Otac smo jednojajčani blizanci"? Ili je on samo, "Ja sam klon od Oca"? Ili je On, "Ja sam pljunuta slika Oca"? Ne morate pogađati. Pavle je odgovorio da je, rekavši da je Isus "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. Napomena: Apostol Pavle je učio nauku Jedinstva Boga! Bog ima samo jednu sliku: Isusa Hrista! Bog ima samo jedno telo: Isusa Hrista! Bog je nevidljivi Duh. Njegovo jedino telo je Isus. Zapamtite, Mojsije je rekao da Jahve je jedan. On će uvek biti jedan. On nikada neće biti dva ili tri. Bog će uvek biti samo jedan Gospod. Opet i opet, Bog naglašava izjavljujući da on je jedini - SAM. " Ovako veli Gospodin, otkupitelj tvoj, tvorac tvoj od krila materina: "Ja sam Gospod, stvoritelj svega, koji sam razapeo nebo, sam raspostro zemlju, - tko mi je pomogao?” Isaija 44:24. " Ne bojte se i ne plašite se! Nijesam li ja to davno rekao i objavio, vi ste mi svjedoci: ima li bog osim mene? Ne, nema drugoga boga. Ne znam nijednoga.," Isaija 44:8. "Ja sam prvi i ja sam posljednji: osim mene Boga nema," Isaija 44:6. Nema množine u tim izjavama, nema više osoba. Ako želite videti tačno kako je Bog izgledao u večnosti kroz prošlost, POGLEDAJTE unatrag u večnost da biste videli tu izvornu formu. Uklonite sve što je Bog ikada stvorio, sve dok ništa ne ostane osim Boga. Uklonite čovečanstvo. Uklonite svaku zver, pticu i morska stvorenja, svaku biljku, stablo i cvet. Uklonite zemlju i njen nebeski svod. Uklonite Sunce, Mesec i sve zvezde. Uklonite prestolje Božje. (David reče u psalama 103:19, "Jahve je pripremio svoje prijestolje na nebesima." (Čak i prijestolje je stvorio.) Uklonite grad nebeski. Njegov "graditelj i tvorac Bog", Hebrejima 11:10. Uklonite sve anđela i demone. Oni su svi bili stvoreni od Boga. SADA: Pogledajte u BESKONAČNOG u tami večne prošlosti. Koji oblik vidiš? Kako to Bog izgleda? Vidiš li neka tri čoveka kako hodaju uokolo u svemiru? Apsolutno ne! Vidite li tri bića, druženje i razgovor? Apsolutno ne! Samo ćete naći jedan Duh koji nastanjuje sve u svemu. JEDAN BOG. JEDAN Jahve. Nevidljivi. Nedjeljiv. Bog.Otac.Duh Sveti. U tom trenutku, nije bilo Sina. Sin ne bi došao u postojanje do 4000 godine u prošlo vreme . Isus je potvrdio činjenicu da je Bog nevidljiv. On je rekao farisejima: " Ali glasa njegova niti ste kad čuli, ni lica njegova nijeste vidjeli;," Jovan 5:37. Vi nikada niste vidjeli Njegov oblik. Bog nema oblik! Jovan naglašava: "Nijedan čovjek nikada nije vidio Boga u bilo kojem trenutku," Jovan 1:18. Isus Hrist je bio samo utelovljenje Boga! "Riječ je tijelom postala i nastanila se među nama" Jovan 1:14. "Ko je vidio Mene vidio je i Oca." Filip je pitao Isusa da "nam pokaže Oca." Isus je odgovorio: "Nisam bio tako dugo s vama i još me ne znaš, Filipa? Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" Jovan 14:8-9. ISUS "Njegovo [Božja] telo, punina Onoga koji ispunjava sve u svemu," Efežanima 1:23. Jovan 1:10 nam govori da je "On je bio u svijetu, i svijet po njemu, a svijet ga ne upozna." Jevreji su odbili da veruju da je njihov otac bio u telu Hristovu. No, on je bio u Hristu. "Bog je u Hristu" "Naime, da Bog je u Kristu pomirio svijet sa sobom", 2.Korinćanima 5:19. Pavle opisuje tu misteriju Timoteju: "Bog je bio očitovan u tijelu," Timoteju 3:16. "Punina božanstva Tjelesna" "U Njemu prebiva sva punina božanstva [Božanstvo] tjelesno", Kološanima 2:09. "Došao je k svojima, a Njegova ga ne primiše", Jovan 1:11. Nevidljivi Bog iznenada pojavio, a oni nisu znali ko je On zapravo! Isaija je prorekao da će njegovo ime biti "Emanuel", što znači "Bog s nama", Isaija 7:14, Matej 1:23. "Slika Boga nevidljivoga" Pavle je učio u korintskoj crkvi da je Hrist "slika Boga", 2. Korinćanima 4:4. On je učio kološansku Crkvu da je Sin "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. "Jer se je dopalo Bogu (Otac), da u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva (Otac u Njemu)", Kološanima 1:19. To je razlog zašto je Ivan rekao: "Riječ je tijelom postala." Isus Krist je Jahve Spasitelj koji je došao u telu. U stvari, vrlo je jasno značenje imena "Isus" koje je: "Gospod Spasitelj."Isus je objasnio, "Ja sam došao u ime Oca svoga" Jovan 5:43. Isus nije klon Boga Oca. On nije duplikat božanstva. On nije ”Jehova Mlađi.” On nije su-jednak ili su-večan s Ocem. On nije druga osoba od tri osobe koje postoje. Isus je Otac (večni Duh) očitovan u Sinu (čoveku-telu)! Isus, govoreći kao ČOVEK insistirao da on nije bio jednak s Ocem kad je rekao: "Moj Otac je veći od mene", u I. Otac je veći od Sina! Bog je večni Duh. Sin je čovek rođen od Marije. Isus je to rekao. Otac je rekao, u Isaiji 42:8, "Moju Slava neću dati drugome." Otac i Sin NISU su-jednaki ili su-večni kao što to tvrdi doktrina Trojstva. Isus Hrist nije drugi član božanstva. Isus je čovek u kome prebiva Otac. Jedinstvo Boga je večni nauk od Boga, to je doktrina koja se veruje i propovedala svima u ranoj Crkvi. Doktrina Jedinstva Boga (eng. Oneness) kaže da je večni, nevidljivi Duh (Otac) objavio se u ljudskom telu - Hristovu. Bog je u Hristu. Bog Otac nikada nije izumeo ili stvorio "Boga Sina." To je bogohuljenje, krivoveran pogrešan naziv. Fraza "Bog Sin" nikada se ne pojavljuje u Bibliji. Sin Božji je "rođen od žene" (ne u večnosti, ne u prošlosti) kako kaže Galaćanima 4:4, a "to što je u njoj začeto (govori anđeo Josipu) od Duha je Svetoga", Matej 1:20. U Luki 1:35, "Anđeo odgovori i reče joj, Duh Sveti sići će na te i sila će te Svevišnjega zasjeniti: Zato će se to sveto što je od tebe rođeno zvati Sin Božji.""Začet od Duha Svetoga" znači "Duh Sveti je Otac." U Mateju 01:20, Anđeo je rekao Josipu: "Josipe, sine Davidov, ne boj se uzeti k sebi Mariju, ženu svoju; jer što se je začelo u njoj, od Duha je Svetoga."To nam jasno pokazuje da Duh Sveti je zapravo Otac, jer Ivan je rekao Sin Čovječji "Jedinorođenac od Oca",Jovan 1:14. Ljudsko tijelo Isusovo nije samo začeto od (njegova) Duha Svetoga - Oca, ali je takođe vidljiva ljuska u kojoj je zapravo smešten Otac. Ako Duh Sveti je treća osoba Trojstva, onda prva osoba Trojstva nije otac! Apsolutno je nemoguće pomiriti ove biblijske stihove osim doktrine Jedinstva Boga (oneness) koju naučavamo. Nadalje, ako je Bog Trojstvo tj. tri osobe, a ako je Isus punina božanstva TELESNO, tu međutim imamo tri osobe u Isusovom telu! Naravno, to je apsurd! Isus je punina Boga telesno jer OTAC (Sveti Duh) prebiva u Njemu. Bog nije tri osobe. Bog Gospodin naš je jedan Gospodin. On je JEDAN DUH. To je Duh Oca, koji se je utjelovio u telo Isusa. Punina Boga je Otac i On je u telu Isusa. Svi propovednici u prvom stoleću Crkve razumeli su ko je Isus bio i šta je tvrdio da je. Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je On Bog utelovljen.Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je Bog Otac s neba sišao u telu čoveka. Poslednji izmenio SION dana 2014-08-16, 01:35, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! Doista zanimljivo. Re: Bog je JEDAN! A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Ako je Isusovo carstvo VEČNO kako onda On prestaje biti CAR po učenju nekih? Oni uzimaju ovaj stih kao dokaz: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Hajdemo ovaj stih provući kroz Biblijske poruke da vidimo o čemu je reč. 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. Čujemo da Isus kao spasitelj predaje nekome CARSTVO ali prvo mora UKINUTI nešto a to je POGLAVARSTVA,VLASTI i SILE. U drugom dolasku koji očekujemo Isus će ratovati i uzeti svete i sići da CARUJE tu TEK počinje carovanje i ne ukida ništa jer satana i dalje je živ i živeće mnoštvo grešnika van granica svete zemlje. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. Znači u milenijumu POČINJE CARSTVO i traje 1000 godina a da li prestaje čućemo. Tek kad SVE neprijatelje stavi pod noge (budu prah ili u jezeru) onda je prestanak takve vrste carstva sa tom službom. Mi čitamo da je posle milenijuma pušten satana i da mnoštvo neprijatelja želi rat, dakle ni tad još nije sve to ispunjeno. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. Čitamo da posle milenijuma ide sukob i onda SUD a posle suda ukida se smrt i od tad više NEMA NEPRIJATELJA, ko nema neprijatelja od tad? Nema Isus kao TELO i CAR U TELU a nemaju ni sveti Njegovi. Čujmo sad pažljivo: 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ovo zahteva koncentraciju,Ko SVE pokorava pod čije noge? Isus U TELU treba ukinuti svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast jer TELO to može učiniti isto kao što je trebalo doći da OTKUPI sad dolazi da CARUJE a potom to TELO ima zadnju službu a to je ZATIRANJA svih neprijatelja. Kome TELO to priprema čist put? Onome koji je DUH i po kojem TELO dođe u Mariju i na svet. Ali ponovo želim da pazite na dvojnu obrnutost rečenica sa značenjem pišite i polako čitajte ove redove: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Da li ste zbunjeni? Imamo li kontradikcije u Biblijskom izveštaju? NEMA. Izjava da je Isusovo carstvo večno i da ima presto i da vlada stoji i ne prestaje. A šta zapravo prestaje? Hajde da ne pišem odma da do toga zajedno dođemo. Ovakve stvari inače zadržavam za crkvu gde<se detaljno sve radi ali evo ovaj deo želim podeliti i sa vama. Molim vas ponovo pratite i naglas govorite redom ko kome ravna put-priprema teren da preda carstvo pa napišite vaš zaključak biće mi drago da zajedno čujemo šta ČUJEMO. Re: Bog je JEDAN! SION :: A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Meni se sviđa onaj deo što pravi paralelu zato ga i zalepih mada imam svoje ali neka bude iz više izvora. Ono ispod paralela mi nije dobro ali neću više da vadim iz tekstova šta je po meni ispravno već nudim celinu a zato ću reći dokle je dobro. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Jep ЊeMy Baљa цapoBaTи дokлe He пoлoжи cBe HeпpиjaTeљe cBoje пoд Hore cBoje. A пocлeдњи ћe ce HeпpиjaTeљ ykиHyTи, cMpT. Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Mislim da znate šta želim reći,to je ta zanimljivost koja obično promakne ako se čita a ne sluša. Evo kako ja to ČUJEM: Isus ukida svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast ali tekl posle milenijuma i suda. A kako O to može ukinuti kad to Otac treba da čini? Ko je sudija svoj zemlji? Piše Bog a čitamo da će Isus suditi. A onda kaže: Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Isus pokorava sve pod noge Božje i kad sve ISUS POKORI ali Isus nije pod nogama onog kome sve pokori da bi u sledećem stiglo kako i Isus biva pokoren Bogu koji Isusu sve pokori da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Tako će se Bog konačno u celosti i sili i slavi moći pokazati. Ne više kao stradalno telo i ne više kao ratnik već kao silni Stvoritelj i večni car svega. To je moje verovanje i razumevanje ove teme. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Pitaj Kainosa. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kojи ce roд oдpичe CиHa Hи Oцa HeMa; a kojи пpизHaje CиHa, и Oцa иMa. Ko odriče ISUSA taj je laža. Znači, neko može reći da veruje u Boga ali Isusa da ne priznaje kao Božjeg Sina taj je lažac ali tu nije kraj komentara o takvima pa kaže dalje: Ko odriče SINA taj nema BOGA....kako, pa oni Boga veruju samo Isusa kao Sina ne priznaju šta im to smeta?Nisu oni Boga odrekli već SAMO Sina....a onda kaže da onaj ko nema Sina taj nema Boga kao Oca....zašto? Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić :: Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Ne mogu ljudi to shvatiti jer su te titule proglasili nekim ličnostima i osobama i neće da čuju da je Bog postao telo koje se naziva ISUS HRIST Sin Božiji ALI i Čovečiji! Dakle sva punina Božanstva telesno, a ne polovina ili trećina! Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Nema Kainosa....mislio sam da ima pitanja u vezi toga ko je Bog i ko se kome moli i sl. možda ga prošlo pa ga ne interesuje više kako se Bog mogao javiti u telu i istovremeno biti izvan tela. Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Nema ni Tripa koji reče da je Isus YHWH, ali nije Otac. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve....nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu kad svako razuman ce vam reci da u ovom stihu vidimo dvije osobe...ne samo u ovom nego u stotinu drugih.... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Evo kainosa...kainos kao iskusni menadzer foruma izaija95.lollb.com radi na povecanju clanstva na svom forumu...ovdje pisem da pomognem SIONU jer ja volim klasicne forume a vecina otisla da raspravlja na facebook... Zašto si osnivao novi forum kad si na izaija95.lollb.com imao veliki broj članova? kainos :: vidim da je SION isto dobar menadzer i da je dovukao dosta ljudi samo sto ne pisu... Ne možeš ih puškom naterati da pišu.. kainos :: Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve.... Ovde piše JEDNOG Oca i JEDNOG Isusa Hrista od koga i kroz koga je sve. Jesu li dvojica stvarala sve ili jedan? kainos ::nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu Iskreno ne znam ko je to niti znam tu doktrinu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Pa forum izaija95 je dobro radio a ja kao admin sam imao obaveza i nisam mogao sve to pratiti....i onda pojavom facebooka forumi pocinju propdati...pa onda sam otvorio novi pa je dobro radio i onda ih prebacio na ovaj zadnji pa je isto dobro radio...onda kad nisam bio aktivan malo je opao kad se posvetim opet proradim..trazim clanove kao i ti na svim stranama facebooku i tako.... Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... Znaš da piše na mnogo mesta da je JEDAN stvarao i voleo bih čuti koja to DVOJICA stvaraju reci im IMENA? Možeš li mi pomoći oko onoga što Jovan reče kao bio Bog i iz Boga izlazi kao neka REČ i ta REČ postaje TELOM, da li je to Bog umnožio-reprodukovao ili je došao U TELU? Ako se reprodukovao onda si u pravu ima ih više a ako nije onda je ostao JEDAN kako i reče, a taj jedan stigao za glasom koji viče poravnite staze BOGU NAŠEM (nisu znali da ima više Bogova pa jedninu koristili) i pitaju Boga pokaži nam OCA i On kaže TOLIKO SAM SA VAMA I JOŠ ME NE ZNATE znaju li ga danas svi? I nastavlja OD SAD I POZNAJETE GA I VIDESTE GA kojeg su to Boga videli što im ga Isus pokaza? Koji to Bog dođe za glasom koji viče PORAVNITE STAZE BOGU NAŠEM? koji je to Bog što se zove OTAC VEČNI, BOG SILNI (tu je samo jedan-šteta nije poveo i onu dvojicu). Pavle je kriv, on reče kako se BOG umesto BOGOVI javio U TELU umesto U TELIMA i tako zaveo ljude na JEDNOG BOGA i JEDNO IME. Šta je Arije učio možemo li o tome? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Može stotinu katolika doći i pisati o pretvaranju hleba u telo i prinositi hleb kao žrtvu i nuditi kipove i ikone i koja korist? Može stotinu Branhamovaca nuditi polni odnos satane sa Adamom i Evom kao znak drveta spoznanja i koja korist? Može stotine Js doći i pisati kako nema darova Duha i kako je Isus prvo stvorenje a Duh energija i koja korist? Može doći stotinu satanista i nuditi truglove-piramide i zrake sunca i slobodu od Božje reči i koja korist? Bog podržava onog što podržava Božju reč i svedoči za istu a sve ostalo vetar odnosi i nestaje jer je slama i pljeva. Sponsored content » IVF i astrologija » jedan astrolog mi je rekao da cu preci u lezbejke?? molim vas , da li je tako nesto moguce?? » uporedni horoskop » 2. i 3. kolo obelezila tri velika derbija i jedan sraman dogadjaj!