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The Spirit Without Measure By George Kirkpatrick Vital Words to the Body of Christ Proclaiming the Everlasting Gospel of the Kingdom Vital Words to the Body of Christ Freely We Have Received, Freely We Give E-mail: Vitalwords@aol.com http://www.newfoundationspubl.org/titles.htm When we open the Bible to the Old Testament, the first words we see are, "In the beginning God . Genesis 1:1a. When we ask, "Who is this God?" we get a blank look, and the answer we get is, "He is God! That's all." But we can know this God and the name of God. In verse two we read, ". and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" Genesis 1:2c. So in the beginning we have not only God, but also the Spirit of God. When we go to the New Testament, the beloved John informs us: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God. So the God of Genesis 1:1 was also the Word. And in John 1:3 we learn: "All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3 So the Word was the Creating God. John also reveals: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us . John 1:14a So, how was the Word made flesh? Three times in the New Testament, we are informed the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, and Jesus was conceived in her womb: "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:18 "But while he thought on these things, behold the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." There can be no doubt the Holy Ghost (or the Holy Spirit, which are the same) fathered Jesus. So the Holy Ghost was Jesus' Father. Therefore Jesus was called the Son of God. But John recorded, ". the Word was made flesh . The Word, the Creating God, became flesh. Praise the Lord! Paul revealed to the churches in Galatia: "But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law," Galatians 4:4 The Son of God was born of woman, like every other person who has ever lived except the original Adam. The Word, was made flesh so mankind could relate to God in the flesh realm. Paul revealed this to the church at Rome: "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" Romans 8:3 God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for all who will receive it, condemned sin in the flesh. Jesus had the same flesh as every other man on earth. The only difference was Jesus had another blood line. The blood line comes from the father. Jesus was not a Jew or any other nationality. Jesus had to deal with all the fleshly issues as every other man. Paul wrote to the Hebrews: "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Our Great High Priest, Jesus Christ, was tempted as every other man, but was without sin. As Paul wrote to the Galatians, Jesus was born of woman. To understand how He became the Son of man we must look at the creation: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . Genesis 1:16 a "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He Him: male and female created He them." Genesis 1:27 For procreation purposes, everything God created, He created male and female. So when Jesus was born of woman, fathered by the Holy Spirit, He was not only the Son of God, but He became the son of man. As the son of man He is our example of how we should live. As Peter informs us: "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps:" I Peter 2:21 Why must we follow in Jesus' steps? We must follow in His steps to get to where Christ is, back to our created place in God. As we continue our search for the identity of the God of Genesis 1:1, we need to look again to the words of the beloved John. In the beginning was God. He was the Word and He was the Spirit. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." I John 5:7 This is the only place in the Bible where the Word replaces the Son, or Jesus. Heaven is the Spiritual realm of God, and there are three who bear record of who the God of Genesis is: First, He is the Father, or progenitor, the beginning of all things, the Creator. Second, He is the Word. The Word was made flesh and died for all the sins of mankind. As the Word made flesh, He is our Saviour. Third, He is the Holy Ghost - - - the Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit anointing we all seek. But we must go further in our understanding. The Holy Spirit is the Christ anointing. Jesus spoke to His disciples: "Then charged He His disciples that they should tell no man that He was Jesus the Christ." Matthew 16:20 Jesus informed His disciples that they were not to reveal He was "Jesus, the Christ," the anointed of the Father. Jesus did not want His disciples to inform the people who He (Jesus) was. He wanted the people to recognize who Christ, the anointing was. He did this to bring glory to the Father and not to Himself. Jesus' whole desire was to give all glory and honor to Christ, the anointing in His life. Paul revealed in his letter to the Corinthians: "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." I Corinthians 1:24 Christ is not only the anointing, Christ is the power and wisdom of God. So, as John revealed, the three witnesses in the Spiritual realm are: The Creator The Saviour And the Power of God The anointing was the power in Jesus life to do the works. This is why Jesus always gave credit to the Father for the miracles He did. His Father was the Holy Spirit. So when Jesus gave credit to the Father, in reality He was giving credit to the power in His life. These three witnesses were all resident in Jesus Christ, our example. Paul recorded: "For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9 The fullness of the Godhead includes the Creator, the Saviour, and most of all, The Power. As we attempt to identify the God in Genesis 1, we need to look at the second letter Paul wrote to Timothy: "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began." II Timothy 1:9 Our calling in God was in Christ Jesus before the world began. In order to understand this, we must have a thorough understanding of who Christ Jesus is. We all recognize Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh, the Son of man, but what of Christ Jesus? The first mention of Christ Jesus is in the book of Acts: "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." John's baptism was unto repentance. After we have repented and become part of God's salvation plan, then who are we to believe in, and look to? It is Christ Jesus! Christ Jesus is the Risen, Glorified, All Powerful Anointing that is to become our whole life. Jesus revealed to His disciples after His resurrection: "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18 If Jesus was given ALL POWER in heaven and in earth, who then has any power except Christ Jesus, the Risen, Glorified Christ? Christ Jesus was present before the foundation of the earth. We should note, Paul did not say all power was given to Christ Jesus on earth, but in earth, our earth, our bodies. Praise the Lord. So who is the God of Genesis 1? It is Christ Jesus. To understand this further, we need to consider John's revelation given to him on the Isle of Patmos: "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship Him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Revelation 13:8 The Lamb of God, Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. If He was slain from the foundation of the world, does it not stand to reason His resurrection was also in the Spiritual realm before the foundation of the world? So then, the Risen, Glorified, Christ stood in His place as God from the beginning of time, and has been revealed to us in this last hour of time so we can not only know God, but the power of God. Genesis 1:2 tells us: the Spirit moved upon the face of the water . We know the water represents the Word. Today the Spirit is still moving on the face of the Word to reveal His power and wisdom in His Word. As we begin to understand the power in Jesus' life, we begin to understand God has promised this same power to those who are His who were called before the world began. As we begin to look further into Jesus, the Christ, John gives us insight as to the anointing Jesus had in His life. "For He whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto Him." Jesus was not given the Spirit by measure. He had the fullness of the Spirit working in His life. John recorded Jesus' words: "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgment is just; because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent Me." Jesus knew that without the anointing, He could no nothing. Without the anointing, He would have been just another mortal man. But by the anointing, Hhe could judge and do the Father's will because He had no will of His own. His only will was to be pleasing to His Father which was the Holy Spirit anointing in His life. Jesus was the perfect vessel for the Holy Spirit to flow through, because Jesus had no will, no agenda of His own. Today many try to make Jesus, God in the flesh. We hear such things as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. So according to those who do not understand, it would seem we have three Gods. Jesus proclaimed: "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved Me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for My Father is greater than I." Jesus revealed the Father was greater than Himself. So if those who believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost - - - they must also agree there is a greater God, the Father, and a lesser God, the Son - - - and where they put God, the Holy Spirit, we do not know. But as John proclaimed, ". these three are one . .", and you cannot separate them, or you have a fragmented God. This is what has caused so much confusion with believers. As we understand what Jesus revealed, we look further at His Words: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me, the works that I do shall He do also; and greater works than these shall He do: because I go unto My Father." Jesus has promised us an anointing so we can do even greater works than He did, because after His resurrection He returned to His position as the Father. As John recorded, the Father position was greater than Jesus obtained as the Son. It was when He returned to His position as the Father, Christ Jesus, that He had all power in heaven and in earth. Many may ask, " If Jesus had stated we would do the greater works, then why do we not see the greater works being done?" The simple answer is, "We have not yet received the greater works anointing." Jesus received the Spirit without measure. The anointing we receive now is not the anointing without measure, it is the cloven tongue anointing that came on the Day of Pentecost. The cloven tongue anointing is the cleansing anointing to clean us up so we can receive the greater works anointing. In the book of Romans, Paul explained this as the firstfruit anointing: "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body." Romans 8:23 We have only received the firstfruits of the Spirit. This firstfruit anointing is to bring us to the adoption of Sons and to the Spirit without measure, which will be the redemption of the body. To the Corinthians, Paul explained: "Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given to us the earnest of the Spirit." II Corinthians 5:5 We have only received the earnest (down payment) of the Spirit. The earnest was given to prepare us to receive the full payment, or the same anointing Jesus had in His life. Paul's explanation to the church at Ephesus makes this point even clearer: "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory." Ephesians 1:14 The earnest (down payment) of the Spirit is only part of the full inheritance we are going to receive. What is our inheritance in God? Is it a place called heaven? Hardly! Our inheritance in God is the complete redemption of our bodies. We are His purchased possession, purchased by His shed blood. As Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." I Corinthians 6:20 That price was His death on the cross, and we are to glorify God in our bodies and spirit - - - or our life should bring glory to God in everything we do, say, and think. Our daily lives should be a preparation for the coming greater works anointing. Perhaps, then the world will see in us what it saw in Jesus. "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him." Luke explains, when the firstfruit of the Spirt came on the Day of Pentecost as cloven tongues of fire, it sat upon each of those in the Upper Room. "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." Acts 2:3 When we are baptized in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit begins to cleanse and change our lives so we can grow and mature to become a cleansed vessel, ready to receive the `greater works anointing'. The Holy Spirit will not enter into an unclean vessel. Paul writes to the church at Rome about this greater works anointing: "Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began," Romans 16:25 The mystery of this greater works anointing has been kept secret since the world began. Paul continues: "But now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:" Romans 16:26 Paul proclaims this mystery was hidden from the foundation of the world, but is now being made manifest (becoming clear or visible). Who is this mystery being made manifest to? It is being made manifest in all the nations to those who know the Scriptures of the prophets (the Old Testament). We need to come to the understanding that a mystery is a revelation that has not yet been revealed. Well, this mystery has been revealed in this last day to all who are seeking God and His promises. Paul revealed this mystery to the church at Colosse: "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." Colossians 1:26-27 The mystery that has been hidden from the foundation of the world, and is now being made manifest is: Christ in us! This is our hope of His glory being revealed in us. The `greater works anointing' will be when Christ the Anointing consumes our whole existence. This is when the waters from our inner most being will begin to flow out to all nations. God has made many great and wonderful promises to those who are called in Christ Jesus before the world began. Paul quoted the prophet Isaiah when he declared: "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him." I Corinthians 2:9 The human mind cannot imagine, nor has man ever witnessed what God has planned for those who love Him and search for Him with their whole hearts. What is it that man has not seen or heard? It is the anointing God is going to pour out upon those who have made Him their all in all. Isaiah said the same thing, only he put it a little different. "For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside Thee, what He hath prepared for him that waiteth for Him." Isaiah 64:4 This was God's promise to all those who are called, chosen, and elected from the foundation of the world. This is what Paul revealed to Timothy. He also revealed this in his letter to the church at Rome: "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 These promises are not only made to those who love Him; they are made to those who wait for Him, and to those who are called according to His purpose. The Psalmist David was given insight to this same revelation: "Oh how great is Thy goodness, which Thou hast laid up for them that fear Thee; which Thou hast wrought for them that trust in Thee before the sons of men!" God has a people who are not ashamed to be called by His name. God has laid up a great treasure for those who fear Him, and have put their total trust in Him. So what is this great treasure God has laid up for those who love Him? Jesus informed His disciples: "Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Matthew 25:34 The treasure is the Kingdom of God, which He has prepared for those from the foundation of the world. But we cannot attain to the Kingdom without the greater works anointing. Only those who have this hope will attain to all the promises of God, because they are the only ones who have this hope, and are looking for the Kingdom. The Apostle James reveals this truth: "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him." James 1:12 We must endure temptation just as our example Jesus, who was tempted in all points as we are, but sinned not. Those who resist the temptations of the world will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to all those who love and honor Him in their life. The crown of life is eternal life which God gave His creation man in the garden before man gave into the temptation of the devil and fell from the grace and mercy of God. Man is still giving into the wiles of the devil, and losing the crown of life. We are given insight as to what we can expect if we, as God's elect, do as we are directed by the Word: "In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto Me, and drink. He that believeth on Me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." Jesus gave us the promise that those who believe on Him as the Scripture hath said. Most today believe in Jesus as their pastor has said, or as their denominational order has said. But do they know Jesus as the Scripture hath said? We need to know Jesus as the Risen, Glorified, All Powerful Christ Jesus. If we know Him as the Father of Lights, then we have the promise that out of our bellies shall flow rivers of living waters. These living waters are the anointed Word of God; anointed with all power and authority. Man has not witnessed this power and authority. The early church got a glimmer of this power and authority when Peter walked down the street. His shadow (aura of the Spirit) healed those the Spirit touched. Blind eyes were opened and men were raised from the dead - - - and these early apostles had only received the earnest of the Spirit God is going to pour out in its fullness in the days ahead. Paul informed the church at Corinth: "And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:" I Corinthians 2:4 Paul's speech and preaching was not with enticing words. Today those who stand in the pulpits use enticing words so they will not upset those they are to teach. When Paul stood in the pulpit, he came to demonstrate the Spirit and the power of God. If Paul demonstrated the Spirit and power of God with only the firstfruit anointing, can we even begin to imagine the power and authority that will be displayed in our lives when we receive the greater works anointing? The living waters flowed out of his innermost being. Paul moved with the power of God in his life. Luke recorded when Paul passed through the Isle of Paphos, he encountered a false prophet who called himself, Barjesus, or the son of Jesus. When this false prophet came against Paul and Barnabas: "Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, and said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand. Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord." The living word that flowed out of Paul's innermost being brought life to the deputy Paul was witnessing to. The false prophet was put down, not by force, but by the anointed living Word Paul spoke with power and authority. This was a demonstration of the words that Eliphas, one of Job's friends, spoke when he revealed the power of God which will be coming in our lives when we receive the greater works anointing: "Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways." What Paul spoke was established because Paul had the power of God in His life. Paul understood this power, and used it for the glory of God, to produce life in the hearer. God gave the prophet Ezekiel a vision of this living water God is going to bring forth in His people in these last days: "Afterward He brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar." Ezekiel 47:1 The threshold of the house is where we enter into God's house. This water flowed from under the threshold toward the east. Looking to the east always reveals to us we should be looking toward the New Day. Ezekiel witnessed a man who had a measuring line in his hand. Four times he measured one thousand cubits. When he made the first thousand cubit measurement, the water was only to the ankles. When he measured the second thousand cubits, the water was to the knees. When he measured the third thousand cubits, the water was to his loins. And when he measured the fourth thousand cubits, Ezekiel tells us: "Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over." Ezekiel 47:5 His fourth thousand cubit measurement brought him to a river. The living waters had become the River of Life. The man with the line in his hand was measuring our understanding of The Word of God. When he made the first one thousand cubit measurement, the water was only to our ankles. This is where we begin to understand God's Word, and it begins to change our walk. When he made the second one thousand cubit measurement, the water was to the knees. Our knees are what we bow with to our God. This is when we begin to humble ourselves before our God. When he made the third one thousand cubit measurement, the water was to the loins. The loins represent the reproductive part of the body. This is when we begin to reproduce ourselves in our witness before God. When he made the fourth one thousand cubit measurement, the water became a river of life that flowed out of the house of God, whose house we are. This will be when we become so absorbed in the living water that it will flow out of our innermost being, and will bring life to all it touches. We have yet to come into this place, but we know by God's Word this is what God has planned for His people. Ezekiel continues his vision: "Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other." Ezekiel 47:7 As Ezekiel stood on the banks of this river, he saw many trees on both sides of the river. "Then said He unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed." Ezekiel 47:8 These waters issue toward the east country, or toward the New Day. And they go down into the desert, watering all the dried up areas of man's existence. And then this mighty river of life goes into the sea. The sea represents the sea of humanity which has become stagnant and lifeless because the Word of God has dried up in their midst. When these living waters reach the sea, God's word says these waters will be healed. What God is trying to reveal to us is that these living waters will bring healing to a thirsty world. Ezekiel then makes us a wonderful promise: "And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh." Ezekiel 47:9 Wherever this river of living water flows it will bring life to everything it touches. Its healing power will produce life. All we will have to do is speak God's Word, and what we speak will be established. Ezekiel continues his revelation: "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine." Ezekiel 47:12 On both sides of the river there were trees. These are God's trees of righteousness who have their roots deep in the River of Life. These trees who have their roots in the River of Life will not fade, and their fruit will not be consumed (or come to an end) because their fruit is the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, etc. These produce fruit every month, and their fruit is for meat, or food. Food is the substance of life. Their leaves also shall be medicine to a sick and dying world. Nothing will replace and rebuild what was lost in the garden except the Spirit anointed Word of God. This river of life is the same river that was shown to John on the Isle of Patmos: "And He shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." Revelation 22:1-2 John was shown a pure river of life. This is the pure, unadulterated Word of God that will flow from the innermost being of God's elect. Everywhere John looked he saw the trees of life. These are the same trees Ezekiel saw on both sides of the river. These trees had the twelve fruit of the Spirit in their lives: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, patience, lowliness, and righteousness. These fruit were being produced in their lives continually. And as Ezekiel proclaimed, " . their leaves were for the healing of the nations. These leaves were medicine for a sick and dying world. The leaves of the tree reveal what kind of tree it is. We also look at the green leaves as the sign the tree has life. Those whom God has ordained from the foundation of the world will show the life of God. And it is the life of God that will heal the nations. And it is these trees of righteousness who will show the world the way back to the Garden of Eden, and the eternal God. Anything this pure river of life touches will be healed. God is pouring out His judgment on a wicked, degenerate world. The prophet Isaiah spoke of those who will be part of this living water ministry: "With my soul have I desired Thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek Thee early: for when Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." Isaiah 26:9 God's judgments are in the world, and it is by the leaves of God's trees of righteousness, the world will witness righteousness and its blessings from God. Summary: We began to identify the God and the Spirit of Genesis 1:1-2. We have discovered they are the same. God and the Spirit are the Word, and His name is Christ Jesus. As we study further in God's Word in reference to Christ Jesus, we come to understand God's whole plan of salvation is made complete in Christ Jesus. It is not this writer's intention to diminish the role of Jesus Christ in God's eternal plan. Without His dying on the cross to save sinners, there would be no plan of salvation for mankind. But it is time to move on from the cross, to recognize our Saviour in His position as Christ Jesus, the Father, and the power in our lives. We need to have this power working in our lives daily so He can fulfill His will in each of our lives. As the beloved John reveals: "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:" John 1:12 Jesus gave us His power, so we too can become the sons of God and can stand on each side of the River of Life as His trees of righteousness. Some of the last words Jesus spoke to His disciples were: "And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know." The words Jesus spoke to His original disciples are the same words He is speaking to His disciples today. We know where He went, and we know the way to get to where He is, and that is to follow in His steps through his anointed Word. Jesus died to show us the way. If we miss it, we can only blame ourselves. We need to seek His will and His way ever day of our lives. Praise the Lord! See Related Books: As Jesus promised, He will be perfected in His saints on the Third Day The former rain (Pentecost) was only poured out moderately. This is the firstfruit anointing, the earnest, (down payment)of our inheritance. But God's prophetic Word declares we will receive the early and latter rain together in the first month, or at the beginning of the New Day. Zion God is about to pour out His rain upon His body, not the early rain, nor the latter rain, but the early and latter rain together. The early and latter rain is the Double Portion Anointing God is going to pour out upon His body. Those who receive the early and latter rain anointing will become bright clouds. They will display God's glory to shine forth into all the earth. Clouds Through a study of the book of Job, we discover twelve things in Job's life God had to correct before He could pour out His double portion blessing. [See "Job, the End Time Son" by G. Kirkpatrick]. It is the last day Elijah ministry that will bring forth the Double Portion Ministry Those who have never taken their eyes off the Elijah ministry are standing at the river of death, ready to overcome all the old fleshly nature. They are ready for the Elijah ministry to part the waters that they may cross over on dry ground. They are being prepared to receive their double portion anointing of the Spirit. This anointing will be poured out without measure. God has great and mighty things planned for those who are planted by the living water, whose whole desire is to become His Tree of Life. Christ Jesus The Double Portion Anointing
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Bog je JEDAN! Bog je JEDAN! „Bog je JEDAN!” (Galaćanima 3, 20) Jedan je Bog.Samo je JEDAN BOG! Ova doktrina je centralna u Biblijskoj PORUCI zajedno i za Stari i za Novi Zavet. Bez obzira na jednostavnost ove poruke i jasnoću s kojom ju Biblija prezentuje, mnogi koji veruju u Boga i Njegovo postojanje to ne razumeju. Uz te koji se svrstavaju među hrišćane, imamo nekoliko različitih stajališta koja se sukobljuju po pitanju božanstva. Jedan od pogleda, nazvan trinitarijanstvo tvrdi da postoje tri različite osobe u Božanstvu. Bog Otac, Bog Sin, Bog Duh Sveti, a li ipak „jedan Bog.” Izraziti hrišćanski monoteisti veruju u JEDNOGA BOGA, ali i dalje veruju da je punina Božanstva manifestovana (očitovana) u HRISTU. Oni veruju da je Otac, Sin, i Duh Sveti manifestacije, modeli, službe, ili odnosi kako se jedan Bog objavio ljudima. Veruju u nevidljivo jedinstvo Boga i puninu Božanstva Isusa Hrista i često koriste termin „onenes” kako bi opisali svoje verovanje. Klasično objašnjenje doktrine o Jednom Bogu pronalazimo u Ponovljenom Zakonu 6, 4: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.”Ovaj redak Pisma postao je jako karakteristična i važna stavka za Jevreje. Oni to nazivaju „SHEMA” (ŠEMA), poslije prve reči fraze na Hebrejskom: „Čuj, Izrailju: Gospod je Bog naš jedini Gospod.” Tradicionalno, pobožno Jevreji uvek pokušavaju ovo učiniti ispovedanjem vere pre svoje smrti. PRIRODA BOŽJA „Bog je duh, i koji mu se klanjaju, moraju mu se klanjati u duhu i u istini." (Jovan 4, 24) Naš mali ljudski um ne može istražiti i shvatiti svo to znanje o Bogu, ali Biblija opisuje jako važne karakeristike i atribute koje Bog posjeduje. Bog je Duh. On je nevidljiv osim ako ne izabere da se manifestira u formi vidljivoj ljudima. "Lica mojega ne možeš ugledati; jer ni jedan čovjek ne može me vidjeti i ostati živ." (Izlazak 33, 20) „Boga niko nije vidio nikada.” (Ivan 1, 18; 1. Ivanova 4, 12) „Koji jedini ima besmrtnost i prebiva u svjetlosti, kojoj se ne može pristupiti; kojega nitko od ljudi nije vidio.” (1. Timoteju 6, 16) Ali Bog je svoju prirodu otkrio čovječanstvu naročito kroz vidljive manifestacije. IMENA I TITULE BOŽJE „I nema ni u jednom drugom spasenja; jer nema drugoga imena pod nebom danoga ljudima, u kojem treba da se spasimo." (Djela 4, 12) Čak niti kroz to mi u potpunosti ne možemo shvatiti Boga, Bog koristi više načina da nam pokaže Sebe. Jedna od tih metoda je korišćenje različitih imena i titula da bi otkrio Sebe. „YAHWEH” (Jehova) je otkupiteljsko ime Božje u Starom Zavjetu (Izlazak 6, 3-8.). „Sam Gospod, to je ime moje. Časti svoje ne dajem drugomu, slave svoje ne dajem idolima.“ (Izaija 42:8.). To podrazumeva da postoji Samo-postojeći Jedan ili Jedino Večni Bog. Ovaj koncept javlja se u frazama „Ja sam Onaj koji Jesam!” „JA SAM” korištenih od Boga osobno. U Starom Zavjetu, Bog postupno više otkriva Sebe u potrebama u životima ljudi, i On koristi imena da bi izrazio se otkrivajući Sebe. Kada je Avraam trebao jagnje za žrtvu, Bog je Sebe otkrio kao JAHVE JIRAH, Bog koji proviđa. Kada je Izrael trebao oslobođenje, Bog se otkrio u imenu JAHVE prethodno nepoznatim značenjem sa poštovanjem za oslobođenje i spasenje. Kada je Izrael trebao zaštitu od bolesti i tegoba, Bog se otkrio kao JAHVE-RAPHA, Bog koji ozdravlja. Kada je Izrael trebao pobjedu nad neprijateljima, Bog je otkrio Sebe kao JAHVE-NISSI, Bog naša Zastava. Ova imena i titule opisuju skupa sva očitovanja važnih aspekata o prirodi Božjoj. Kada je došla punina vremena Bog je želio objaviti se Njegovom narodu i Sebe otkriti u svoj Njegovoj moći i slavi kroz IME ISUS. Isus znači JAHVE SPASITELJ, JAVE NAŠE SPASENJE ili Jahve je SPASENJE. I zato anđeo kaže: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime Isus; jer će on izbaviti narod svoj od grijeha njegovih." (Matej 1, 21) ISUS JE BOG „Jer u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva tjelesno.” (Kološanima 2, 9) Činjenica da je Isus Bog čvrsto je utemeljena na Pismu kao činjenica da je JEDAN BOG. Biblijsko učenje da Isus je potpuno Bog i potpuno čovjek. Isaija 9, 6 je jedan od najmoćnijih dokaza da je ISUS BOG: „Jer nam se rodi dijete, sin nam se dade. Vlast počiva na plećima njegovim, 'čudo od savjetnika' glasi ime njegovo, 'Jaki Bog, 'Otac vječni', 'Knez mira'.” Izrazi dijete i sin ukazuju na utjelovljenje, ili na manifestaciju „moćnoga Boga!” a „Oca Vječnoga!” Novi Zavjet također ispovijeda da je ISUS BOG. Toma je ispovedio Isusu obadvoje: GOSPOD I BOG (Jovan 20, 28.) Prema Delima 22, 28, crkva je otkupljena sa Božjom vlastitom krvlju, zapravo HRISTOVOM KRVLJU. Pavle Isusa opisuje kao „našega velikoga Boga i Spasitelja, Isusa Hrista.” (Titu 2, 13,) BOG SE MANIFESTOVAO U TELU Činjenica da je Isus Bog nužno podrazumijeva da je Bog uzeo ljudsko telo. To je činjenica o kojoj Biblija kaže: „I kao što je priznato, velika je tajna pobožnosti: On se javio u tijelu, opravdao se u Duhu, pokazao se anđelima, propovijedao se neznabošcima, vjerovao se u svijetu, uznio se u slavi.” (1. Timoteju 3, 16) Jovan 1, 1-15 predivno uči koncept Božjeg manifestovanja u telu. U početku bijaše RIJEČ (LOGOS). Riječ nije posebna osoba ili odijeljeni Bog ništa više nego što je ljudska reč odvojena osoba od čoveka. Pre je Reč bila planirana u Božjim mislima. „U početku bijaše Riječ, i Riječ, bijaše u Boga, i Bog bijaše Riječ.” (Jovan 1, 1) Utelovljenje (inkarnacija) je postojala u naumu Božjem pre postanka sveta. U naumu Božjem Jagnje je ubijeno pre utemeljenja sveta (1. Petrova 1, 19-20; Otktivenje 13,8.). OTAC, SIN, DUH SVETI „Ja i Otac smo JEDNO.” (Jovan 10, 30) ”Ja ću moliti Oca i On će vam dati drugoga Tješitelja... Duha ISTINE!” (Jovan 14, 16-17). Da li termini Otac, Sin i Duh Sveti označavaju tri različite osobe ili osobnosti u Božanstvu? Ili pak oni otkrivaju tri različite uloge, modela, funkcije, ili službe kroz koje Jedan Bog deluje i otkriva sebe? Bog je Otac, On nije samo Otac Sinu već Otac svemu stvorenju (Malahija 2, 10; Jevrejima 12, 9). Isus naučava puno puta da je Bog naš Otac (Matej 5,16, 45, 48). Učio nas je moliti: ”Oče naš koji jesi na Nebesima.” (Matej 6, 9). Termin „Sin Božji” odnosi se na Boga kao manifestovanog u telu u osobi Isusa Hrista za spasenje čovečanstva. Ime Sina je ISUS: „Ona će roditi sina, kojemu ćeš nadjenuti ime ISUS." (Matej 1, 21). „Otac” se odnosi samo na Božanstvo kao utjelovljenje u čovečanstvu. Jovan 14, 10 kaže nam da je Otac u Sinu. Ako je Duh Sveti jednostavno Bog, zašto je potreban ovaj termin? Razlog zašto se naglašava osobni aspekt Božji. Naglašava da je On svet, sveprisutan, i nevidljivi Duh koji radi među svim ljudima posvuda i koji može ispuniti ljudima srca. Kada govorimo o Svetome Duhu, mi se podsećamo na Božje nevidljivo delovanje među ljudima i Njegove sposobnosti da pomazuje, krsti, ispunjava, i prebiva u ljudskim životima. ZAKLJUČAK Pa šta možemo reći o Bogu? Prvo, tamo je Jedan nevidljivi Bog koji ne postoji u više različitih osoba. Drugo, Isus Hrist je punina Božjeg utelovljenja. On je Bog Otac – Jahve u Starom Zavetu- manifestovan u telu. SAV BOG je u ISUSU HRISTU, i u Njemu imamo sve što nam je potrebno. JEDINI BOG kojeg ćemo u Nebu videti je ISUS HRIST. Poslednji put izmenio SION dana 2015-01-20, 15:53, izmenio ukupno 5 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! On se naziva Sin Božji, jer je začet u utrobi Marije. Bog nikada nije smislio drugi duh. Bog nije osmislio Večnoga Sina. Sinovstvo je proizišlo iz začeća i nije večno. Sin samo može biti rođen NAKON što je žena zatrudnela. Bog nikada nije dao začeće nekoj ženi pre Marije. Bog nikada nije imao sina pre Marijinog začeća osim Isusa Hrista. To dete je Božji jedinorođeni Sin. Sada je Isus večan - što će reći da je " Njegova punina vlasti, mir nema nikada kraja.", Isaija 9:07. Ali Sin Božji nije postojao dok nije začet ljudski i telesno u utrobi Marije. Pre je Isus bio zamišljen kao čovek, Bog je bestelesan. Bog je SAMO DUH. JEDAN nepodeljen Duh. Samo Bog rodio je jedno dete u svoj večnosti. To je razlog zašto je Isus učio, u Jovanu 3:16, da je on "jedinorođeni Sin."Isus je bio rođen - začet - kada je Duh Sveti zasjenio Mariju. Ona je začela čoveka - dete u svojoj utrobi. Duh Sveti zasenio je Mariju i začet je Isus. To čini Duh Sveti- Otac Isusa. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba zamišljenog Trojstva. To ima smisla (da je Duh Sveti i Otac). Obratite pažnju na ove izjave: Bog Otac je Duh. Duh Sveti je Duh. Bog je samo jedan duh. Bog Otac je Sveti. Sveti Duh je Sveti. Obe tvrdnje su da je Otac Isusa Hrista. Stoga .. Otac je Duh Sveti. Duh Sveti je Otac. Otac nije prva osoba Trojstva. Duh Sveti nije treća osoba Trojstva. Otac je Duh Sveti. Isus je telesno punina Božja. Duh prebiva u njemu. Kada napokon stanemo pred prestolje Božje na nebu, videćemo samo jedno prestolje sa samo jednom osobom koja sedi na tom prestolju. Da, Jedna osoba će biti tamo i ta osoba će biti i Bog Otac i JAGNJE istodobno. Jovan je rekao: "Evo, prijestolje je postavljeno na nebu, a JEDAN je sjedio na prijestolju," Otkrivenje 04:02. Jovan ga naziva, "prijestolje Božje i Jaganjetovo", Otkrivenje 22:01. Bog i Jaganjac su jedan, sedi na prestolju JEDAN. Ako vidite Isusa, videćete Jagnje, ali i ćete videti Boga. Punina Božja jeste u Hristu. Isus je rekao: "Ja i moj Otac smo jedno," (Ivan 10:30). On je takođe rekao: "Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" (Ivan 14:09). Je li Isus doista znači da je on i Otac su bili ista osoba? Ili je on samo znači nešto apstraktno poput: "Ja i moj Otac izgledamo vrlo slično"? Ili je on samo, "Ja i moj Otac smo jednojajčani blizanci"? Ili je on samo, "Ja sam klon od Oca"? Ili je On, "Ja sam pljunuta slika Oca"? Ne morate pogađati. Pavle je odgovorio da je, rekavši da je Isus "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. Napomena: Apostol Pavle je učio nauku Jedinstva Boga! Bog ima samo jednu sliku: Isusa Hrista! Bog ima samo jedno telo: Isusa Hrista! Bog je nevidljivi Duh. Njegovo jedino telo je Isus. Zapamtite, Mojsije je rekao da Jahve je jedan. On će uvek biti jedan. On nikada neće biti dva ili tri. Bog će uvek biti samo jedan Gospod. Opet i opet, Bog naglašava izjavljujući da on je jedini - SAM. " Ovako veli Gospodin, otkupitelj tvoj, tvorac tvoj od krila materina: "Ja sam Gospod, stvoritelj svega, koji sam razapeo nebo, sam raspostro zemlju, - tko mi je pomogao?” Isaija 44:24. " Ne bojte se i ne plašite se! Nijesam li ja to davno rekao i objavio, vi ste mi svjedoci: ima li bog osim mene? Ne, nema drugoga boga. Ne znam nijednoga.," Isaija 44:8. "Ja sam prvi i ja sam posljednji: osim mene Boga nema," Isaija 44:6. Nema množine u tim izjavama, nema više osoba. Ako želite videti tačno kako je Bog izgledao u večnosti kroz prošlost, POGLEDAJTE unatrag u večnost da biste videli tu izvornu formu. Uklonite sve što je Bog ikada stvorio, sve dok ništa ne ostane osim Boga. Uklonite čovečanstvo. Uklonite svaku zver, pticu i morska stvorenja, svaku biljku, stablo i cvet. Uklonite zemlju i njen nebeski svod. Uklonite Sunce, Mesec i sve zvezde. Uklonite prestolje Božje. (David reče u psalama 103:19, "Jahve je pripremio svoje prijestolje na nebesima." (Čak i prijestolje je stvorio.) Uklonite grad nebeski. Njegov "graditelj i tvorac Bog", Hebrejima 11:10. Uklonite sve anđela i demone. Oni su svi bili stvoreni od Boga. SADA: Pogledajte u BESKONAČNOG u tami večne prošlosti. Koji oblik vidiš? Kako to Bog izgleda? Vidiš li neka tri čoveka kako hodaju uokolo u svemiru? Apsolutno ne! Vidite li tri bića, druženje i razgovor? Apsolutno ne! Samo ćete naći jedan Duh koji nastanjuje sve u svemu. JEDAN BOG. JEDAN Jahve. Nevidljivi. Nedjeljiv. Bog.Otac.Duh Sveti. U tom trenutku, nije bilo Sina. Sin ne bi došao u postojanje do 4000 godine u prošlo vreme . Isus je potvrdio činjenicu da je Bog nevidljiv. On je rekao farisejima: " Ali glasa njegova niti ste kad čuli, ni lica njegova nijeste vidjeli;," Jovan 5:37. Vi nikada niste vidjeli Njegov oblik. Bog nema oblik! Jovan naglašava: "Nijedan čovjek nikada nije vidio Boga u bilo kojem trenutku," Jovan 1:18. Isus Hrist je bio samo utelovljenje Boga! "Riječ je tijelom postala i nastanila se među nama" Jovan 1:14. "Ko je vidio Mene vidio je i Oca." Filip je pitao Isusa da "nam pokaže Oca." Isus je odgovorio: "Nisam bio tako dugo s vama i još me ne znaš, Filipa? Onaj koji je vidio mene vidio je i Oca" Jovan 14:8-9. ISUS "Njegovo [Božja] telo, punina Onoga koji ispunjava sve u svemu," Efežanima 1:23. Jovan 1:10 nam govori da je "On je bio u svijetu, i svijet po njemu, a svijet ga ne upozna." Jevreji su odbili da veruju da je njihov otac bio u telu Hristovu. No, on je bio u Hristu. "Bog je u Hristu" "Naime, da Bog je u Kristu pomirio svijet sa sobom", 2.Korinćanima 5:19. Pavle opisuje tu misteriju Timoteju: "Bog je bio očitovan u tijelu," Timoteju 3:16. "Punina božanstva Tjelesna" "U Njemu prebiva sva punina božanstva [Božanstvo] tjelesno", Kološanima 2:09. "Došao je k svojima, a Njegova ga ne primiše", Jovan 1:11. Nevidljivi Bog iznenada pojavio, a oni nisu znali ko je On zapravo! Isaija je prorekao da će njegovo ime biti "Emanuel", što znači "Bog s nama", Isaija 7:14, Matej 1:23. "Slika Boga nevidljivoga" Pavle je učio u korintskoj crkvi da je Hrist "slika Boga", 2. Korinćanima 4:4. On je učio kološansku Crkvu da je Sin "slika Boga nevidljivoga", Kološanima 1:15. "Jer se je dopalo Bogu (Otac), da u njemu stanuje sva punina Božanstva (Otac u Njemu)", Kološanima 1:19. To je razlog zašto je Ivan rekao: "Riječ je tijelom postala." Isus Krist je Jahve Spasitelj koji je došao u telu. U stvari, vrlo je jasno značenje imena "Isus" koje je: "Gospod Spasitelj."Isus je objasnio, "Ja sam došao u ime Oca svoga" Jovan 5:43. Isus nije klon Boga Oca. On nije duplikat božanstva. On nije ”Jehova Mlađi.” On nije su-jednak ili su-večan s Ocem. On nije druga osoba od tri osobe koje postoje. Isus je Otac (večni Duh) očitovan u Sinu (čoveku-telu)! Isus, govoreći kao ČOVEK insistirao da on nije bio jednak s Ocem kad je rekao: "Moj Otac je veći od mene", u I. Otac je veći od Sina! Bog je večni Duh. Sin je čovek rođen od Marije. Isus je to rekao. Otac je rekao, u Isaiji 42:8, "Moju Slava neću dati drugome." Otac i Sin NISU su-jednaki ili su-večni kao što to tvrdi doktrina Trojstva. Isus Hrist nije drugi član božanstva. Isus je čovek u kome prebiva Otac. Jedinstvo Boga je večni nauk od Boga, to je doktrina koja se veruje i propovedala svima u ranoj Crkvi. Doktrina Jedinstva Boga (eng. Oneness) kaže da je večni, nevidljivi Duh (Otac) objavio se u ljudskom telu - Hristovu. Bog je u Hristu. Bog Otac nikada nije izumeo ili stvorio "Boga Sina." To je bogohuljenje, krivoveran pogrešan naziv. Fraza "Bog Sin" nikada se ne pojavljuje u Bibliji. Sin Božji je "rođen od žene" (ne u večnosti, ne u prošlosti) kako kaže Galaćanima 4:4, a "to što je u njoj začeto (govori anđeo Josipu) od Duha je Svetoga", Matej 1:20. U Luki 1:35, "Anđeo odgovori i reče joj, Duh Sveti sići će na te i sila će te Svevišnjega zasjeniti: Zato će se to sveto što je od tebe rođeno zvati Sin Božji.""Začet od Duha Svetoga" znači "Duh Sveti je Otac." U Mateju 01:20, Anđeo je rekao Josipu: "Josipe, sine Davidov, ne boj se uzeti k sebi Mariju, ženu svoju; jer što se je začelo u njoj, od Duha je Svetoga."To nam jasno pokazuje da Duh Sveti je zapravo Otac, jer Ivan je rekao Sin Čovječji "Jedinorođenac od Oca",Jovan 1:14. Ljudsko tijelo Isusovo nije samo začeto od (njegova) Duha Svetoga - Oca, ali je takođe vidljiva ljuska u kojoj je zapravo smešten Otac. Ako Duh Sveti je treća osoba Trojstva, onda prva osoba Trojstva nije otac! Apsolutno je nemoguće pomiriti ove biblijske stihove osim doktrine Jedinstva Boga (oneness) koju naučavamo. Nadalje, ako je Bog Trojstvo tj. tri osobe, a ako je Isus punina božanstva TELESNO, tu međutim imamo tri osobe u Isusovom telu! Naravno, to je apsurd! Isus je punina Boga telesno jer OTAC (Sveti Duh) prebiva u Njemu. Bog nije tri osobe. Bog Gospodin naš je jedan Gospodin. On je JEDAN DUH. To je Duh Oca, koji se je utjelovio u telo Isusa. Punina Boga je Otac i On je u telu Isusa. Svi propovednici u prvom stoleću Crkve razumeli su ko je Isus bio i šta je tvrdio da je. Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je On Bog utelovljen.Shvatili su da je Isus tvrdio da je Bog Otac s neba sišao u telu čoveka. Poslednji izmenio SION dana 2014-08-16, 01:35, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta Re: Bog je JEDAN! Doista zanimljivo. Re: Bog je JEDAN! A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Ako je Isusovo carstvo VEČNO kako onda On prestaje biti CAR po učenju nekih? Oni uzimaju ovaj stih kao dokaz: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Hajdemo ovaj stih provući kroz Biblijske poruke da vidimo o čemu je reč. 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. Čujemo da Isus kao spasitelj predaje nekome CARSTVO ali prvo mora UKINUTI nešto a to je POGLAVARSTVA,VLASTI i SILE. U drugom dolasku koji očekujemo Isus će ratovati i uzeti svete i sići da CARUJE tu TEK počinje carovanje i ne ukida ništa jer satana i dalje je živ i živeće mnoštvo grešnika van granica svete zemlje. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. Znači u milenijumu POČINJE CARSTVO i traje 1000 godina a da li prestaje čućemo. Tek kad SVE neprijatelje stavi pod noge (budu prah ili u jezeru) onda je prestanak takve vrste carstva sa tom službom. Mi čitamo da je posle milenijuma pušten satana i da mnoštvo neprijatelja želi rat, dakle ni tad još nije sve to ispunjeno. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. Čitamo da posle milenijuma ide sukob i onda SUD a posle suda ukida se smrt i od tad više NEMA NEPRIJATELJA, ko nema neprijatelja od tad? Nema Isus kao TELO i CAR U TELU a nemaju ni sveti Njegovi. Čujmo sad pažljivo: 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ovo zahteva koncentraciju,Ko SVE pokorava pod čije noge? Isus U TELU treba ukinuti svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast jer TELO to može učiniti isto kao što je trebalo doći da OTKUPI sad dolazi da CARUJE a potom to TELO ima zadnju službu a to je ZATIRANJA svih neprijatelja. Kome TELO to priprema čist put? Onome koji je DUH i po kojem TELO dođe u Mariju i na svet. Ali ponovo želim da pazite na dvojnu obrnutost rečenica sa značenjem pišite i polako čitajte ove redove: 15:24 Onda kraj, kad preda carstvo Bogu i Ocu, i kad ukine svako poglavarstvo i svaku vlast i silu. 15:25 Jer Njemu valja carovati dokle ne položi sve neprijatelje svoje pod noge svoje. 15:26 A poslednji će se neprijatelj ukinuti, smrt. 15:27 Jer sve pokori pod noge Njegove. Ali kad veli da je sve Njemu pokoreno, pokazuje se da je osim Onog koji Mu pokori sve. 15:28 A kad Mu sve pokori, onda će se i sam Sin pokoriti Onom koji Mu sve pokori, da bude Bog sve u svemu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Da li ste zbunjeni? Imamo li kontradikcije u Biblijskom izveštaju? NEMA. Izjava da je Isusovo carstvo večno i da ima presto i da vlada stoji i ne prestaje. A šta zapravo prestaje? Hajde da ne pišem odma da do toga zajedno dođemo. Ovakve stvari inače zadržavam za crkvu gde<se detaljno sve radi ali evo ovaj deo želim podeliti i sa vama. Molim vas ponovo pratite i naglas govorite redom ko kome ravna put-priprema teren da preda carstvo pa napišite vaš zaključak biće mi drago da zajedno čujemo šta ČUJEMO. Re: Bog je JEDAN! SION :: A pa ovo je Dragančetov tekst. Meni se sviđa onaj deo što pravi paralelu zato ga i zalepih mada imam svoje ali neka bude iz više izvora. Ono ispod paralela mi nije dobro ali neću više da vadim iz tekstova šta je po meni ispravno već nudim celinu a zato ću reći dokle je dobro. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Jep ЊeMy Baљa цapoBaTи дokлe He пoлoжи cBe HeпpиjaTeљe cBoje пoд Hore cBoje. A пocлeдњи ћe ce HeпpиjaTeљ ykиHyTи, cMpT. Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Mislim da znate šta želim reći,to je ta zanimljivost koja obično promakne ako se čita a ne sluša. Evo kako ja to ČUJEM: Isus ukida svako poglavarstvo i silu i vlast ali tekl posle milenijuma i suda. A kako O to može ukinuti kad to Otac treba da čini? Ko je sudija svoj zemlji? Piše Bog a čitamo da će Isus suditi. A onda kaže: Jep cBe пokopи пoд Hore ЊeroBe. Aли kaд Beли дa je cBe ЊeMy пokopeHo, пokaзyje ce дa je ocиM OHor kojи My пokopи cBe. A kaд My cBe пokopи, oHдa ћe ce и caM CиH пokopиTи OHoM kojи My cBe пokopи, дa бyдe Бor cBe y cBeMy. Isus pokorava sve pod noge Božje i kad sve ISUS POKORI ali Isus nije pod nogama onog kome sve pokori da bi u sledećem stiglo kako i Isus biva pokoren Bogu koji Isusu sve pokori da bude Bog sve u svemu. Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Tako će se Bog konačno u celosti i sili i slavi moći pokazati. Ne više kao stradalno telo i ne više kao ratnik već kao silni Stvoritelj i večni car svega. To je moje verovanje i razumevanje ove teme. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Ko zapravo tu pokorava kome pod noge sve? Pitaj Kainosa. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kojи ce roд oдpичe CиHa Hи Oцa HeMa; a kojи пpизHaje CиHa, и Oцa иMa. Ko odriče ISUSA taj je laža. Znači, neko može reći da veruje u Boga ali Isusa da ne priznaje kao Božjeg Sina taj je lažac ali tu nije kraj komentara o takvima pa kaže dalje: Ko odriče SINA taj nema BOGA....kako, pa oni Boga veruju samo Isusa kao Sina ne priznaju šta im to smeta?Nisu oni Boga odrekli već SAMO Sina....a onda kaže da onaj ko nema Sina taj nema Boga kao Oca....zašto? Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić :: Zato što se kako apostol reče SVA PUNINA Božja javi kroz TELO i to je velika tajna pobožnosti.Može tvrditi da ima Oca ako nema Sina nema ni Oca jer se Otac kroz SINA objavio i zato reče da je Sin = Otac večni i Bog silni. Taj Sim reče ko vidi Njega taj vidi Oca. Taj Sin kaže da su On i Otac jedno, ne zajedno već jedno-jednina a to znači ne dvojica ili trojica. Može Bog imati više titula kao Otac, Sin,Duh Sveti ali je uvek On jedan isti.Isaija najavljuje da će za glasom koji viče u pustinji stići BOG i stigao je. Jovan kaže da je Bog bio REČ i ta reč postade TELOM a koje to telo posta rečju i pokaza sebe kao Oca učenicima? Ne mogu ljudi to shvatiti jer su te titule proglasili nekim ličnostima i osobama i neće da čuju da je Bog postao telo koje se naziva ISUS HRIST Sin Božiji ALI i Čovečiji! Dakle sva punina Božanstva telesno, a ne polovina ili trećina! Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Re: Bog je JEDAN! lavić ::Nema Kainosa....mislio sam da ima pitanja u vezi toga ko je Bog i ko se kome moli i sl. možda ga prošlo pa ga ne interesuje više kako se Bog mogao javiti u telu i istovremeno biti izvan tela. Kako je Otac SIN i Sin Otac i kako se Duh kroz telo pokazao i kako videvši obličje čoveka videše Boga...zašto nema drugog IMENA i zašto se krsti u IME Isusa.Itd. itd. Nema ni Tripa koji reče da je Isus YHWH, ali nije Otac. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve....nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu kad svako razuman ce vam reci da u ovom stihu vidimo dvije osobe...ne samo u ovom nego u stotinu drugih.... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Evo kainosa...kainos kao iskusni menadzer foruma izaija95.lollb.com radi na povecanju clanstva na svom forumu...ovdje pisem da pomognem SIONU jer ja volim klasicne forume a vecina otisla da raspravlja na facebook... Zašto si osnivao novi forum kad si na izaija95.lollb.com imao veliki broj članova? kainos :: vidim da je SION isto dobar menadzer i da je dovukao dosta ljudi samo sto ne pisu... Ne možeš ih puškom naterati da pišu.. kainos :: Kor 8. 6 _ Ali mi imao samo jednog Boga Oca od kojega je sve i jednog Gospoda Isusa Krista kroz koga je sve.... Ovde piše JEDNOG Oca i JEDNOG Isusa Hrista od koga i kroz koga je sve. Jesu li dvojica stvarala sve ili jedan? kainos ::nemojte ljude uvjeravati u Sabelijevu doktrinu Iskreno ne znam ko je to niti znam tu doktrinu. Re: Bog je JEDAN! Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... kainos - Broj poruka : 35 Datum upisa : 05.12.2013 Re: Bog je JEDAN! kainos ::Pa forum izaija95 je dobro radio a ja kao admin sam imao obaveza i nisam mogao sve to pratiti....i onda pojavom facebooka forumi pocinju propdati...pa onda sam otvorio novi pa je dobro radio i onda ih prebacio na ovaj zadnji pa je isto dobro radio...onda kad nisam bio aktivan malo je opao kad se posvetim opet proradim..trazim clanove kao i ti na svim stranama facebooku i tako.... Price 30. 4 kazu da su obojica stvarali... Znaš da piše na mnogo mesta da je JEDAN stvarao i voleo bih čuti koja to DVOJICA stvaraju reci im IMENA? Možeš li mi pomoći oko onoga što Jovan reče kao bio Bog i iz Boga izlazi kao neka REČ i ta REČ postaje TELOM, da li je to Bog umnožio-reprodukovao ili je došao U TELU? Ako se reprodukovao onda si u pravu ima ih više a ako nije onda je ostao JEDAN kako i reče, a taj jedan stigao za glasom koji viče poravnite staze BOGU NAŠEM (nisu znali da ima više Bogova pa jedninu koristili) i pitaju Boga pokaži nam OCA i On kaže TOLIKO SAM SA VAMA I JOŠ ME NE ZNATE znaju li ga danas svi? I nastavlja OD SAD I POZNAJETE GA I VIDESTE GA kojeg su to Boga videli što im ga Isus pokaza? Koji to Bog dođe za glasom koji viče PORAVNITE STAZE BOGU NAŠEM? koji je to Bog što se zove OTAC VEČNI, BOG SILNI (tu je samo jedan-šteta nije poveo i onu dvojicu). Pavle je kriv, on reče kako se BOG umesto BOGOVI javio U TELU umesto U TELIMA i tako zaveo ljude na JEDNOG BOGA i JEDNO IME. Šta je Arije učio možemo li o tome? Re: Bog je JEDAN! Može stotinu katolika doći i pisati o pretvaranju hleba u telo i prinositi hleb kao žrtvu i nuditi kipove i ikone i koja korist? Može stotinu Branhamovaca nuditi polni odnos satane sa Adamom i Evom kao znak drveta spoznanja i koja korist? Može stotine Js doći i pisati kako nema darova Duha i kako je Isus prvo stvorenje a Duh energija i koja korist? Može doći stotinu satanista i nuditi truglove-piramide i zrake sunca i slobodu od Božje reči i koja korist? Bog podržava onog što podržava Božju reč i svedoči za istu a sve ostalo vetar odnosi i nestaje jer je slama i pljeva. Sponsored content » IVF i astrologija » jedan astrolog mi je rekao da cu preci u lezbejke?? molim vas , da li je tako nesto moguce?? » uporedni horoskop » 2. i 3. kolo obelezila tri velika derbija i jedan sraman dogadjaj!