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Cassiopaea Forum Esoterica => The Cassiopaean Experiment => Cassiopaean Session Transcripts => Topic started by: Laura on May 06, 2014, 11:52:24 AM Session Date: May 3rd 2014 Laura and Andromeda at the board Pierre, Perceval, Possibility of Being, Chu, Data, Kniall, Mr. Scott, Alana Joining via Skype: Mr. Premise, Echo Blue, Falling Water, Nienna, Menna Q: (L) [Hellos and introductions] Today is May the 3rd. We have present: Echo Blue, Falling Water, Nienna, Menna, and Mr. Premise. Present here in the room we have Kniall, Possibility of Being, Chu, Perceval, Pierre, Alana, Mr. Scott, Data, and me and Andromeda at the board. Okay, let's get going here... I feel a Pink Floyd tune coming on. (Pierre) Which one? (L) Is there anybody in there?! A: Lunatic staring at the moon, that's who! Q: (L) Pink Floyd fan in there, eh? Alright. Who do we have with us tonight? A: Honilaea Q: (L) And where do you transmit from or through? A: Cassiopaea Q: (L) Was that a reference to Pink Floyd as I assumed it was? A: Yes. Q: (L) Okay, we've got our little crew here from Massachusetts and the New England area, and I think they've got some questions, so Mr. Premise, here's your cue! (Mr. Premise) Thank you. Well, given last week's session with the folks in North Carolina who are living in a networked living situation, we're not doing that here. We've been struggling with ways to make sure we're doing stuff, but we're kinda dispersed in our lives which makes it harder. We certainly feel the effects of the frequency fence pretty intensely in the United States. I always notice it when I come back from France. I'm energized for a few weeks, and then you just sink into the mire here. So we were wondering if there are things we should be doing in our situation. I know there are probably other people in a similar situation around the world. Are there things we should be doing to do more, to energize more, connect chakras, and all that? A: How much space do you have at the new digs? Enough to form a "family tribe"? Q: (Mr. Premise) I believe so, yes. We have a 4000 square foot house and about 12 acres. A: What is the problem then? You have people and some space... Expand!! Q: (L) You understand what they're suggesting, don't you? They're suggesting that you have a family which can be a core of a tribe. The tribe needs extended family. It needs expansion, it needs space. Because those kinds of relationships can be very valuable in difficult times, especially times of economic depression or turmoil or even political turmoil. Just having an extended family... And not everybody has extended families that they want to live with that are real families. So, you kinda have to create your own out of people who are like soul families. Well, like what we have here. We have kind of a core family: me and Ark and our kids. But we have all this extended family, which as far as I'm concerned, all the other people here are like additional kids for me. I just have lots of kids. I just didn't have to go through the work of giving birth to all of them! So, that's kind of it. But then that puts a responsibility of becoming a true parent. That really means taking responsibility for being parental, in a true sense. You can't allow yourself to be run by your whims and your emotions and competitive things and so forth. You have to take real responsibility. Anyhow, next question. (Falling Water) I have a question regarding this same topic. When you're creating this community, do these individuals have to be physically within the community to come within the protection that they mentioned like with the North Carolina group? A: Better and faster, since robust feedback is needed on a constant input basis for development of a true conduit. Also think of the constant daily struggles that require support and amelioration. Q: (L) If you don't have people there with you all the time, stuff just beats you down. We would not survive if we didn't have each other. We have come under some of the most intense BS attacks that anybody can possibly imagine. I mean, it's stuff that makes you wanna just fold up your tent and go home. If we didn't have each other, we would have done that a long time ago! (Mr. Premise) That makes sense. (L) Okay, next? (Echo Blue) I'm not sure if this was answered, but if we cannot live physically together in one spot, what is the next best thing to do? Is it to get together more frequently? I'm not sure. A: Yes. Q: (Echo Blue) Okay. (Perceval) I was wondering if in addition to that - I dunno if you do this already - but if you were to kind of share the problems that you have in your separate daily lives... But when you are together, if you were to mimic that "living together" aspect by basically being a little bit more candid with each other in terms of how you’re getting on in the daily life. Ya know... (L) What would be ideal I think would be to be as close as possible if you weren't all in the same house. You could be in very close proximity. One of the things we've found that's the greatest thing in the world is having breakfast together. Getting up and cooking together, having breakfast together, having Movie Night once a week. We sit down, we watch a movie, we discuss it, or where we... since we're always working on the web sites or projects or writing books or doing research, having everyone together very frequently as a sounding board - where you talk about what you're working on, you talk about your ideas, you talk about how you're feeling stressed by this or that - we do that all the time here. If other people could be doing that kind of stuff, it starts to build kind of an expanding spiral of ideas, of energies, of mutual support. And of course if you come up with a really stupid idea, then everybody can shoot you down right away and you don't go out and make a fool of yourself. But otherwise, if there's some flaw with your ideas, you can talk about it, people can pick it apart, ya know. There's just so many things going on and it's really great to have a place where you can sit down and have meals together and talk all kinds of things over. What would possibly be ideal for a lot of people would be to have independent living units, but like a group dining hall where people eat together. Eating together is just really dynamic... And cooking together! When we get in there to cook, we've got what, seven women in this house? Seven women. When we get in the kitchen and cook, it's great! You have seven women and they're all helping each other. It's just really terrific. (Chu) Men cook, too! (Andromeda) They get together on bricolage projects. (L) Mostly they're building and fixing things that we find need fixing! (Pierre) And god, there's many! [laughter] (L) It's kind of like this communal "doing of things". It gets to the point where when you're working together, sometimes you don't even have to talk because you know what that other person needs you to do. And you do it. You become like a well-oiled machine in a sense. So, I have the feeling that is part of the "connecting of the chakras" type of thing. Mr. Premise, you've been here, and you know what it's like. We just get in there and do stuff. So, it's really great. Of course, seven women in a kitchen might sound like a disaster waiting to happen. But disasters don't happen if they're women who are loving and giving. Think of LG, that totally territorial bitch, and anybody who came in there and even touched “her cup”, and she was having a hissy fit! [laughter] But, ya know, you can't be like that. You can't be territorial, and you can't feel like, "Mine! Mine! Mine!" Of course, I was a little upset this afternoon when I noticed there was a car in front of the front door. And I said, "Who is parked in front of my front door?!" [laughter] (Perceval) That wasn't territoriality. That was aesthetics. (L) Yes, that's aesthetics management, because one does not park the car in front of the front door. (Perceval) If I understand correctly what the idea is, it doesn't seem practical that ya'll are gonna move in with Mr. Premise. Right? Okay. Right now what you do is you get together on a semi-regular basis. But you do it... Mr. Premise, where's your family right now? (Mr. Premise) They're about 20 minutes away. We're here at Echo Blue's, and I'm moving about 10 minutes from Echo Blue's. Nienna lives about 15 minutes away or so. Falling Water's an hour away, and that's a little farther. Menna here lives in the same town as Echo Blue. (Perceval) So, the idea being that Mr. Premise's new house would be kind of the center, and other people within close proximity would theoretically come over and be like extended members of the family. Come over for dinner more often... (Andromeda) Birthdays... (Perceval) Yeah, birthdays, and more than you just you guys getting together on your own, it's the idea of your house becoming a kind of a center. (L) And your wife is very much involved in many things, and there's no reason your kids can't be exposed to an extended family. (L to Andromeda) Did you kids hate it when I did it to you? (Andromeda) No. (L) They like having more brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles. (Perceval) That could develop. Initially it could just be friends coming over, close friends. Most importantly, I think your wife would have to be onboard with that. (L) She'd have to become the mother. (Mr. Premise) The new house is structured way better for that kind of thing for having people over and all that, so that sounds like a great idea. (L) So these two ladies present here would have to become the aunts. We have the Aunt here! My sister-in-law is here! (Perceval) It's like in the case that all living together as one family is not possible, well then you try to replicate that at your house as much as possible. (L) And if your property is big enough, maybe you could construct or erect some kind of guest housing for longer visits. Like we've got our Lodge over here for longer visits from group members and so forth. Maybe all of you could pitch in together and purchase something prefab. And Falling Water's an architect, for god's sake! He can design and build it. I mean, you should see that man stack wood! [laughter] (Mr. Premise) Yeah, I saw some really cool prefab things that are all set up. That's a great idea. (Chu) How many of you could move in together? None of you? (L) I think they'd need to work that out. That would almost have to happen organically. People come over... I mean, we've had people who've come here, for example Kniall. Kniall was living in a separate apartment. In fact, he was living Belgium for a while. And he would come down for his holidays, and he would spend time working and helping. Then he was able to move into his own apartment nearby because he wanted to be closer, but he still was working at his regular job and so on and so forth which he did by internet. Then he was spending more time here, and half the time he'd spend the night here. Why go home Kniall, have supper, take a shower, and find a bed! After a while, it was like, "Why do you even have that apartment anymore? You're never there, and you're always here!" So, that has happened, and that's happened with other people. We've got Pierre. We said come and stay with us while you're recovering with your sickness. Then after a while, it's, "Why are you keeping that apartment down in Marseille? You never go there, so just give it up!" So, people come and they fit and you feel comfortable and they all get along. It happens organically when you like to be together and work together and there are projects. (Perceval) It's a progression. (Pierre) Step by step. (L) Yeah, and it just happens organically. Okay, next questions? (Echo Blue) I was just wondering with the last session you had with the North Carolina group you talked about putting together this Dying 101 book. I work at a hospice, and it's just that usually with people who are dying, they're not really there because they're medicated. Either they're medicated because they're in pain, or because they're very anxious about what's going on. So, I was just wondering because I work with them, is there something else that can be done to help them make this transition in an easier manner rather than being heavily medicated? I don't even know if it's possible, but... A: Medication does not shut off consciousness. You can still "talk them through" even if they "appear" unconscious. Q: (Echo Blue) Well, I know hearing is that last thing to go when they're dying. Well, my next question would be: What's the best way to talk them through it? A: Laura did it. Q: (L) Did I ever tell you what I did when my mother was dying? I got on the phone. I got on the phone with her every few days. (Echo Blue) Oh, the singing! (L) Well, I made recordings of songs, the children made recordings of favorite poems that she liked. And I also got on the phone and my brother would hold the phone to her ear, and I talked her through it. And I told her what to expect. I came right out and said things like, "Dying is not the end, it's just moving into another state of existence. You don't lose yourself, you don't lose your consciousness, you don't lose your ability to perceive to love or to feel. You can let go, you can just release the body." And I told her that letting go of the body is like taking off a shoe that's too tight. You'll feel very free, and all of the pains and aches and constrictions of the body will be gone, and so on... For me, it was very heartfelt, and I cried while I was doing it. But I had to talk my mother through it, because she was terrified of dying. And I felt like I was a parent in a sense, comforting a child who was going to have a new experience. So, I think that's the most important thing. Tell them what to expect: "When you get through there, you're going to see a light, and if you look at the light, you're going to see people you love." And ya know, I named people that had already gone over that she was attached to, and I told her she was going to see those people and they'd be there for her. "So, just go in that direction and hold out your hand, and they'll take you by the hand, you'll be reunited with them..." and so on and so forth. Well, you remember our group member DW who died? I did the same thing for her. She was just suffering so horribly and hanging on, and hanging on. Finally, I called her, and I talked to her and I explained to her what was probably going to be going on. And I said that she didn't have to fight any more. She was fighting so hard because she felt like it was a failing of doing the Work to die! And I had to explain to her that no, it's not a failing, and that maybe she can do more for us on the other side than she could do here. With all the problems with her body that she'd had for so long... You have to talk from the heart. It's not like you can get a formula where you just read something, and say "here's what you do, that's what you do". You just really help the person, and you love them. One thing I did tell my mother, "the minute you leave your body, you come to me. Yes, I'm on the other side of the ocean, but those kinds of things are not a barrier when you're on the other side. All you have to do is think about me, and you'll be here". And damned if she didn't do it! I was in my bedroom, and I could feel her. I said, "Mom, I'm really tired, so here, you lay down on the sofa." I put a pillow and blanket on the sofa for her to sleep, and I told her in the morning we'll talk about this. So, the next day we had a session and I communicated with my mother, and basically had a lot of closure type things going on. And it's one of those sessions where I'm crying through the session because it's very emotional. You have to do this. You have to overcome your own... You can't baby yourself. It's like a parent who has to take care of a child even if the parent feels bad. You still have to do it. It's one of those things that even if you are so emotional that you feel like you can't hold yourself together, you still have to do it for that dying person. So, if you're there with someone who is dying, I don't see any reason why you can't talk them. If they're completely unconscious, they're still gonna hear you. You're still talking to that part of them that's trying to depart this life. So, I don't see any reason not to just talk to them in a low, comforting, soothing, and very supportive way. Let them know that there's nothing to be afraid of. It's not a terrible thing. "You're going to be okay. I'm here with you, I'll get you through this." You can say that because you do. By the same token, when any one of our people here has to go up for any kind of surgery, we go and hang out at the hospital and we keep them embraced mentally as a form of protection. When somebody's unconscious with drugs or whatever and they're in a weakened state, you don't want any attachments or weird stuff going on. So that's another thing we do. Having teams of people just present and watching during surgery or when people are dying is probably a tremendous service, I think. Okay, next? (Falling Water) On the same subject, but more on a personal note, I just was wondering if we made the right decision at the last few days of my dad's life? A: Yes. Q: (Falling Water) Thank you. (L) What was the decision? (Falling Water) He had Parkinson’s. And he kind of gave us the heads up that if anything happened, he didn't want any life support or whatever. And on Father's Day, he had a stroke where he became completely bedridden. So we brought him home and basically stayed with him. There was no food or water. He had a strong heart, and because of that he lasted 12 days. They told us it would be 2 to 10 days. (L) That's very similar to what happened with my mother. When she stopped feeding, and she refused any pain medication right up to the last minute. And finally, I just overrode her wishes because she was suffering. And in 2 days, she was gone. I figured she needed it at that point. (Falling Water) Yeah, we were giving him morphine every few hours through that whole time. A: It was a beautiful passage. Q: (L) Next? What about you Nienna over there in the corner? (Nienna) Don't really have anything to ask. (L) You look good! (Nienna) Thank you. Well, okay, wait. It's very personal. I just recently got over being sick. Didn't eat anything for seven days. I just wasn't hungry. And it settled in my lungs, and I was really weak and really tired. But if I don't eat, I feel better with all my symptoms. So, I am eating again, and the symptoms aren't as bad as they had been, but they're worse than they are when I wasn't eating. So, what's going on with that? A: Intermittant fasting will help. Q: (L) But you know what we just did? I quit having the fat bombs with the coconut milk and coconut oil because I think it was bothering me. And Chu made an experimental batch of our fat bomb with just water, lard, butter, egg yolks, a little xylitol and cocoa. And it turned out to be so delicious that obviously if you use the water and the fat and you emulsify it with plenty of egg yolks, and then you beat it with the blender, it becomes this wonderful creamy thing that has almost no carbs whatsoever. I mean, the only freakin' carbs that are in there are the few you get from the egg yolks and the little bit of xylitol or erythritol. It's just unbelievable. So, even if you can't have coconut, and even if you can't have butter, I'm assuming you could do the same thing with pure lard, water, egg yolks, cocoa, and some sweetener. And you can that way get the amount of fat that in that is your daily allotment, whatever it is. Because you have to have something for your energy needs. You can't just not eat. (Chu) MKScarlett posted a recipe for a bone broth with pig feet, and it's full of minerals and you can stop eating at 3pm, and then just go to bed and that's already intermittent fasting since you need 13 hours of not eating. And then in the morning if you're hungry, another fat bomb or more broth, and then at 3pm you stop eating again. (L) And you can have a good breakfast with bacon and sausages. Perceval and Andromeda have eggs for breakfast, but they cut off the egg whites and give them to the dogs because the egg whites bother them, but you can still eat the yolks. But if you have your breakfast, and then maybe later in the afternoon around 2 or 3pm you can have a big bowl of your thick rich broth Chu's got this recipe for. You use the blender on it so it's like a creamy soup, and then have your fat bomb for dessert, and you don't have anything after 3 o'clock. And if you don't eat anything until 9am the next morning, you have engaged in intermittent fasting but it's painless because you're not hungry, and a good portion of the time your fasted, you're asleep. (Nienna) Here's what I do. I can't eat pork yet, and I'm allergic to eggs, so I'm kinda iffy on trying the egg yolks. I can eat beef, and beef tallow, and that's what I do. I eat beef and beef tallow. And I eat that like 8:00 or 8:30, I go until 4pm and eat similar things, and then I don't eat again until the next morning. And I don't need the fat bomb because I'm eating the lard with the meat. That generally sounds gross, but I've gotten used to it. And I feel full. The only thing I seem to be able to eat right now is the beef because anything else affects my sinuses. (L) Well, if that's what's comfortable, then that's what you should stick with. Like I was really gung ho for this coconut milk; but then I figured out oh boy, this is not good for me. I can tell when it goes bad on me because I start have this enormous production of phlegm. I'm coughing, coughing, coughing. Have you tried that Gotu Kola, by the way? (Nienna) I had a really bad reaction to it. (L) Yeah? (Nienna) I only took it for one day, but things got really bad after I took it. Sinuses itching. That was right before I got sick. (L) Okay, next? (Perceval) Menna's asleep! (L) Menna! Is Menna there? (Menna) You don't have to be a member to ask something? (Menna) Okay, so, I've been introduced to the work about five years ago. I've practiced three or four things, like getting the correct knowledge, EE has had realizable progress in clearing negative emotions, and diet and lifestyle changes and staying away from drinking and drugs has also helped. My question basically is: Is there any other aspect of the Work I can do to help the process or make life more efficient? A: Helping others to learn and put them on the step behind you. Q: (Menna) Okay. I get the reference because of Gurdjieff, and the teachers are above you on the rung on the ladder, so it's important to share knowledge. And maybe if you share knowledge with others, you get other knowledge that comes to you from helping. So, I think I understand what they're getting at. (Perceval) They're saying you gotta look for some Padawans and help them! Find the Padawan. (L) Anything else you guys? (Echo Blue) May I ask a personal question? (L) Yes. (Echo Blue) I probably know the answer to it, but I was just wondering what to do about it. I'll make it short. When my daughter was getting married, I developed frozen shoulder in my left arm. Went away after a while. My daughter's now pregnant, and I've developed frozen shoulder in my right arm. I know with reading about the body-mind connection, but what can I do about this? Is it connected to my... A: You have to let her learn her own lessons and stop carrying her on your shoulders. Q: (Echo Blue) I've been working on that... A: She is your daughter in this life only... Q: (Echo Blue) Thanks. When she was 3 years old, we were sitting on a rock watching a sunset, and she said to me, "Did I used to be your boyfriend?" And I said to her, "Yeah, I guess so!" Never been brought up since. A: Wise child. Q: (Echo Blue) She is. Thank you. (L) Anything else? What about you, Falling Water? (Falling Water) I had something totally in a different direction than what we were just discussing. There was an article on SOTT regarding 3 astronauts coming out and basically stating that since 2001, there have been 26 atomic-blast-type asteroids that have impacted earth. How accurate is that? A: Close, but the number is actually higher. Q: Okay, so we're gonna close down for tonight. Goodnight, Gracie! What are ya'll gonna do now? You gonna do karaoke? (Mr. Premise) Some discussions about everything. We don't have a karaoke machine. I guess we'll have to get one. (Menna) And Laura, thank you for recommending the book [When the Body Says No by Gabor Mate]. It's helped me. (L) Oh, I'm tellin' ya! That book was torture for me. I've rheumatoid arthritis, and I had all these female problems, and my kids have got autoimmune conditions... I saw me, I saw everybody around me, I saw everybody I know, and I said, "Oh my GOD! We are all SCREWED!!" [laughter] We gotta read this book and get over it! Okay, so ya'll have a fun time. It was great seeing everybody and ya'll look really wonderful. Alright, nighty night! END OF SESSION That was a lovely session! :wizard: :thup: Thank you for sharing :flowers: Good to hear how all the living arrangement stuff is coming along. I like the way everyone discusses things amongst themselves rather than just lots of questions for the C's. Good luck to all involved with the house dynamics, & thanks for this latest session. Thanks for sharing ... I like Pink Floyd! Oh, thanks, sweeties! It was really pleasantly and joyfully to read! You are good fellows! :perfect: I envy... :cry: It seems, now I understand my reason for "a morning depression" :boat: Thank you Laura and the team, it seems to be essential to preserve the human contacts... :halo: Thanks for the sessions :) (Falling Water) I had something totally in a different direction than what we were just discussing. There was an article on SOTT regarding 3 astronauts coming out and basically stating that since 2001, there have been 26 atomic-blast-type asteroids that have impacted earth. How accurate is that? A: Close, but the number is actually higher. This was a bit of a shock, atomic-blast-asteroids? Does anyone by chance know the link for this article? Thanks for the session. Interesting questions, warm group dynamic. Mac Great session! :wizard: This was a bit of a shock, atomic-blast-asteroids? Does anyone by chance know the link for this article? Sure, here's the link: http://www.sott.net/article/277845-Astronauts-reveal-sobering-data-on-asteroid-impacts-Since-2001-26-atomic-bomb-scale-explosions-have-occurred-in-remote-locations-around-the-world Thanks for sharing the session Laura and team and also to all participants!! Great session! :wizard: This was a bit of a shock, atomic-blast-asteroids? Does anyone by chance know the link for this article? Sure, here's the link: http://www.sott.net/article/277845-Astronauts-reveal-sobering-data-on-asteroid-impacts-Since-2001-26-atomic-bomb-scale-explosions-have-occurred-in-remote-locations-around-the-world found two more which go into a similar direction, so that we have "3" ;): http://www.sott.net/article/277718-The-biggest-threat-to-humanity-far-bigger-than-global-warming-climate-change-is-about-to-get-bigger-much-bigger http://www.sott.net/article/277827-Cosmic-roulette-Astronauts-warn-that-we-are-literally-in-a-shooting-gallery Thank you all for the session, :) . Thanks Laura and all the crew for sharing that new session. :love: Thanks to all the other participants. And also thanks Laura for that special project with the C's. And another session! Thanks a lot! We certainly feel the effects of the frequency fence pretty intensely in the United States. I always notice it when I come back from France. I'm energized for a few weeks, and then you just sink into the mire here. As some here know I am contemplating to go back to the States (in Europe now). I haven't heard the term "frequency fence" before, did I miss something somewhere? Thanks, M.T. I haven't heard the term "frequency fence" before, did I miss something somewhere? Here's the link to that term: http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=334 It was first used in Bringers of the Dawn and discussed a few times in the Cassiopaea material and here on the forum. Thank You for session :) Thank you, Laura, Chateau, C`s, TH and the NE Group for the great sessions! Looking forward to the next one! Wonderful session with lots of deep things. Thanks for sharing. I was reminded of the frequent phone conversations I had with my own parents before their respective deaths (mother in 1977; father in 2011). I was also reminded of the early experiments with communal living some of my fellow student activists and company tried to initiate and maintain during the nineteen seventies and beyond. Thanks for sharing. Wow, really wonderful session!!! Thank you all for sharing. Thank you All!!! I really liked the heart felt part about how to talk to someone on the verge of transitioning over... And the C's reminding us about: A: She is your daughter in this life only... Great stuff! What an amazing journy it's been.... I have to work harder... Thank You All Again!!! (Falling Water) I have a question regarding this same topic. When you're creating this community, do these individuals have to be physically within the community to come within the protection that they mentioned like with the North Carolina group? A: Better and faster, since robust feedback is needed on a constant input basis for development of a true conduit. Also think of the constant daily struggles that require support and amelioration. Q: (L) If you don't have people there with you all the time, stuff just beats you down. We would not survive if we didn't have each other. We have come under some of the most intense BS attacks that anybody can possibly imagine. I mean, it's stuff that makes you wanna just fold up your tent and go home. If we didn't have each other, we would have done that a long time ago! (Mr. Premise) That makes sense. (L) Okay, next? (Echo Blue) I'm not sure if this was answered, but if we cannot live physically together in one spot, what is the next best thing to do? Is it to get together more frequently? I'm not sure. A: Yes. Q: (Echo Blue) Okay. (Perceval) I was wondering if in addition to that - I dunno if you do this already - but if you were to kind of share the problems that you have in your separate daily lives... But when you are together, if you were to mimic that "living together" aspect by basically being a little bit more candid with each other in terms of how you’re getting on in I love this idea! It seems to be what real humans need to survive our uncertain future at this moment including myself. As someone who has moved 7 times in the past 12 years, I understand very well the need for a co-linear support group since I rarely had one during this time and I'm really missing one now. I wonder if the idea could be modified for members gathering who don't live together where the say meet on Sundays and actually Prepare a meal together instead of just gathering for a potluck. As Laura pointed out, there seems to be a deeper kind of bonding when meals are prepared together. Of course some good conversation, music, singing, or dancing should be included too! Thank you for posting this session, Rx Great session :) I'm finding the discussion on working group dynamics both hopeful and helpful. Thank you very much for posting this new session. Lots of food for the mind as always!. And thank you very much Laura for sharing what you have done for your mother. It made me cry. I wonder how many here will have to do the same with any of our parents in these times. Thanks for the effort and to all participants for another valuable session! Thanks for sharing ! Thanks for sharing ... I like Pink Floyd! Me too :P Thank You All ~ Wonderful Family Dynamic!! :hug2: :rockon: Thank you for sharing this session. Looking forward to the next session. Good luck for the "new tribe". Thank you all for sharing this session, i must say i am moved by the experience Laura told about her mother, thanks for sharing that, i really felt it. I suppose I should meet up with the NC "Tribe" at some point. Just a shy question from a total newbie - are these Skype sessions enclosed meetings or anybody can join you? Thank you very much for this new session. It's seemed to me very nice and in some way I can't describe right now it's given to me some Hope when I was a bit depressed due to the situation of the world I am reading every day in sott. :perfect: Thank you all for the session, it was heart-felt, especially the dialogue of what to say when helping someone transition and go the dying process. Thank you very much for another great session. As commented on by another, I really enjoy seeing the long group discussions, with less direct answers and leading from the C's. Watching how you've all learned to rely on your own logic and intuition is an inspiration! Thank you Laura for sharing your experiences with your mother with us. You've always let us in on your personal life experiences and it continues to be helpful in expanding our own knowledge. I am very grateful. I like the discussions on dying, what to expect and how to help those moving closer to moving on. In the near future there is a significant chance I'll be working with the elderly in nursing home facilities and so I am happy to learn about the experience of moving on and how to help others through that if they need/request guidance. I loved hearing about the newest 'tribe' working on becoming closer. Good luck to all involved! I'm very happy that they have the opportunity to be close to one another and create an extended family together. The Skype sessions are, I think, really great in creating an expanded opportunity for more members to participate in the sessions. Big thanks to all involved! Your efforts are greatly appreciated! Thanks for the session. I'm happy to see more people heading in the tribe direction. When push comes to shove we're all going to need each other, and I cannot think of a better way to support one another than willfully building a community of people with similar spirits. Thanks for the session. I'm quite excited about all the new participation. The feeling of togetherness in this one was quite heart touching. Q: (L) But you know what we just did? I quit having the fat bombs with the coconut milk and coconut oil because I think it was bothering me. And Chu made an experimental batch of our fat bomb with just water, lard, butter, egg yolks, a little xylitol and cocoa. And it turned out to be so delicious that obviously if you use the water and the fat and you emulsify it with plenty of egg yolks, and then you beat it with the blender, it becomes this wonderful creamy thing that has almost no carbs whatsoever. I mean, the only freakin' carbs that are in there are the few you get from the egg yolks and the little bit of xylitol or erythritol. It's just unbelievable. So, even if you can't have coconut, and even if you can't have butter, I'm assuming you could do the same thing with pure lard, water, egg yolks, cocoa, and some sweetener. And you can that way get the amount of fat that in that is your daily allotment, whatever it is. Because you have to have something for your energy needs. You can't just not eat. I've been having the coconut cream custard fat bombs for a week now and they have been hard on me. This alternative sounds like a safer bet with my GI issues. Thanks for the session! It was really interesting listening to Laura's elaborations to some of the C's responses to concerns about communal living, how to die properly, etc. Where I live there are some communal housing groups, where people looking for a certain type of community can find similar living arrangements, pool work and resources, and sort of develop an extended family in that thread. That's a way of life I certainly would aspire to. I've been living alone for about a month now, and as much as I enjoy being without parents it's still kind of isolating living away from the city where all my friends are. They always remark how long it takes for me to visit them, but I always tell them it's worth it. Who would choose being alone over community? Thanks for posting the new session! It's inspiring to think about more "tribes" being assembled and more communities forming. Just a shy question from a total newbie - are these Skype sessions enclosed meetings or anybody can join you? Hi Kosma! Welcome to the forum. Regarding your question, as far as I can tell, these sessions are a project directed at the members that are forming groups as part of the activities of the Fellowship of the cosmic mind. However, do not be discouraged, as the C's are only the starting point, the inspiration. There are lifetimes of learning here in the forum, so, enjoy you stay. Laura said: "(L) Oh, I'm tellin' ya! That book was torture for me. I've rheumatoid arthritis, and I had all these female problems, and my kids have got autoimmune conditions..." Maybe it is worth while taking a quick look at Andreas Kalcker's video clips on YouTube about MMS. He explains in one of them that MMS helped him play the piano again. :read: Laura said: "(L) Oh, I'm tellin' ya! That book was torture for me. I've rheumatoid arthritis, and I had all these female problems, and my kids have got autoimmune conditions..." Maybe it is worth while taking a quick look at Andreas Kalcker's video clips on YouTube about MMS. He explains in one of them that MMS helped him play the piano again. :read: Hi ROEL, Maybe you haven't seen yet the following thread: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,10810.0.html and the article in the DCM accessible here: http://www.sott.net/article/213275-MMS-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-or-Trojan-Horse-Your-Body-and-DNA-Decide The search function of SOTT brings other articles as well. Thanks for the session Laura et al! :love: Will be revisiting this session and the NC skype session again for further digestion of ideas and inspiration. Thanks for the informative session, Laura, the team and the C's! Thank you for the session. I'm glad that things are going ok with you all. I know it's stupid but I was ashamed of myself for not graduating yet, and having a debt that I'm getting further from people instead connecting with them. Ok, I have to finish the college stuff this week, one step at the time :) Thank you all for sharing this session, i must say i am moved by the experience Laura told about her mother, thanks for sharing that, i really felt it. Me too. It was so beautifully expressed, with love and humility. I think we need to learn on how to help those who are dying and learn about it is a sort of respect for life itself. I was really moved by this session. Thank you very much. Thank you very much again and again! So moving when you talk about your mother departure and what you've said to her. I realize now how scary it must have been for my own mother when after taking many sleeping pills, she stayed alone upstairs all day long, several hours death rattle, while my father in law who was hearing her untill the morning didn't raise his little finger and stayed downstairs, called the doctor at 6pm when she stopped breathing... Wow thank you for sharing another session so soon after the previous one :flowers: It was so heartwarming to read through the transcript and learn about the move towards communal living. Thanks all for sharing. Love the energy of the group sessions. Hi ROEL, Maybe you haven't seen yet the following thread: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,10810.0.html and the article in the DCM accessible here: http://www.sott.net/article/213275-MMS-Miracle-Mineral-Solution-or-Trojan-Horse-Your-Body-and-DNA-Decide The search function of SOTT brings other articles as well. THANKS, mkrnhr!!! I really loved the vibe of these recent sessions. Thank you Laura, the crew and the C's! Intentional communities is the way of the future! Has anyone read Sal Rachele's 3rd and 4th books? The concept is described there very well. Really glad to see the C's community heading in that direction as well. Ra also spoke of this being one of the reasons for the weakening of humanity, the disintegration of intimate community. Last year as I was writing a story for a film concerning IC's, I thought to myself, well it might be better to live in these then to just write/talk about them. And really since then many things have come into my awareness on this subject, which have confirmed my own thoughts. Especially since I've thought that intentional communities are the way to go, since I was very young. In the near future, I would like to form 1 or more STO communities, based on 6th density materials, use them as a kind of framework/groundwork and expand out from there. There are a couple of other nice books on this subject that I recommend: Creating a Life Together: Practical Tools to Grow Ecovillages and Intentional Communities by Diana Leafe Christian http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Life-Together-Ecovillages-Intentional/dp/0865714711 (http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Life-Together-Ecovillages-Intentional/dp/0865714711) Finding Community: How to Join an Ecovillage or Intentional Community by Diana Leafe Christian http://www.amazon.com/Finding-Community-Join-Ecovillage-Intentional/dp/0865715785/ (http://www.amazon.com/Finding-Community-Join-Ecovillage-Intentional/dp/0865715785/) Stewardship: Choosing Service Over Self-Interest by Peter Block (slightly more business orientated) http://www.amazon.com/Stewardship-Choosing-Service-Self-Interest-Business/dp/160994822X/ (http://www.amazon.com/Stewardship-Choosing-Service-Self-Interest-Business/dp/160994822X/) The Empowerment Manual: A Guide for Collaborative Groups by Starhawk http://www.amazon.com/Empowerment-Manual-Guide-Collaborative-Groups/dp/0865716978 (http://www.amazon.com/Empowerment-Manual-Guide-Collaborative-Groups/dp/0865716978) UBUNTU Contributionism - A Blueprint For Human Prosperity: Exposing the global banking fraud by Michael Tellinger http://www.amazon.com/UBUNTU-Contributionism-Blueprint-Prosperity-Exposing/dp/1920153098 (http://www.amazon.com/UBUNTU-Contributionism-Blueprint-Prosperity-Exposing/dp/1920153098) Hi Era of Love, seeing you are new here or maybe just yet to be introduced :), it would be nice if you could post a brief intro about yourself in the Newbies section (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/board,39.0.html), telling us how you found this forum, how long you've been reading it and/or the SOTT page, whether or not you've read any of Laura's books yet, etc. Thank you all for the interesting session. Lots of food for thought for me. I loved this bit: And I felt like I was a parent in a sense, comforting a child who was going to have a new experience. So, I think that's the most important thing. That really made me think of the beauty of life. At first your parents act like parents to you, but then as they depart, the roles switch, the child becomes the parent to the parent. And the parent becomes the child to the child. The ever present flow of life. Thanks for the session, it was another great learning experience for me. Just a shy question from a total newbie - are these Skype sessions enclosed meetings or anybody can join you? Hi Kosma! Welcome to the forum. Regarding your question, as far as I can tell, these sessions are a project directed at the members that are forming groups as part of the activities of the Fellowship of the cosmic mind. However, do not be discouraged, as the C's are only the starting point, the inspiration. There are lifetimes of learning here in the forum, so, enjoy you stay. Hi, thanks for information. Yes I know C's role is mainly inspirational and to indicate some directions of research, just didnt understand where all participants came from and how you organize such meeting, as for example Menna was encouraged to ask a question regardless of not being member. Anyway, thanks for sharing another interesting session. Thanks for session, nice to see how far this can go, like one big family. Many thanks for the sharing :) Hi, thanks for information. Yes I know C's role is mainly inspirational and to indicate some directions of research, just didnt understand where all participants came from and how you organize such meeting, as for example Menna was encouraged to ask a question regardless of not being member. Anyway, thanks for sharing another interesting session. The skype sessions are held with different FOTCM groups having gatherings or living in intentional communities around the planet. Sometimes there are individuals present who are forum members but not yet FOTCM members. Thanks for another great session. The information about helping folks transition was beautiful. Four years ago my neighbour who used to look after my dog was dying from cancer, in the hospice in a coma. I took my dog to see her, lifted her up in front of her face and said "I brought Sara". She opened her eyes, whispered "Good-bye Sara" with the most beautific smile I had ever seen her smile, she shifted her eyes and looked into me and then went back into the coma and never came out of it again before she passed the next day. I mention it because it proved to me that she COULD hear even though she could not respond, unless it was to a four-legged she mustered the strength to acknowledge. I wish I knew then what I know now, I could have talked to her and helped ease her transition. Thank you for the session. It's inspiring to read how others are working together to form tribe like communities. Thank you all for sharing this session, i must say i am moved by the experience Laura told about her mother, thanks for sharing that, i really felt it. Me too. It was so beautifully expressed, with love and humility. I think we need to learn on how to help those who are dying and learn about it is a sort of respect for life itself. I agree, I found it moving as well. I have been wondering if a form of prayer may be beneficial as well for those who have already passed and some time has since gone by. There was a thread about this which I'm trying to locate again. In the thread, there is reference to saying a prayer daily which appeared to be of help. If anyone remembers the thread, it's appreciated. :) Thanks for the lovely session! Thanks for sharing. I am happy. :dance: While searching for unrelated other things, I stumbled upon a post fragment of Laura about the death of her mother which is very relevant in the current context, I think: You know, my mother died last May [i.e. 2010] and it was a terrible thing. She had the first stroke in August of 2006 and there was just no fixing it. It took almost four full years to complete the process and believe me, she was afraid to die. She clung to life with a frightening tenacity and her suffering was almost unspeakable. At first, I was determined to "fix" things. Then, when I understood that, at some level, she had made this choice and it was my duty to "talk her through", that's what I did. Those phone conversations with my mother, explaining to her the process of dying, what she should realistically expect and what to do, were about the hardest I've ever had in my life. I didn't even try to not cry, I cried freely and she cried with me. I told her that I didn't like it, that I wished I knew what I now know about diet years ago when it could have helped her. We just talked about everything that needed to be said, but I made sure that I kept to my promise to try to make it as easy for her as possible. I told her that when she passed, she would be able to come to me in an instant, and she did. She was here in the house for about a week and we communicated with her before she "went into the light." In fact, we helped her with that, also. (year 2010 inserted by me) Related topics that came along in the search process: "Heaven is real" Near death experience (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21984.0.html) On Death (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21667.0.html) On Life After Death - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,2964.0.html) Dear Mr. Premise, Echo Blue, Falling Water, Nienna, Menna (and Laura and crew) Really wonderful to see these community C sessions. I live in Framingham, MA and would love to meet the MA crew at some point. It has been a hope of mine to get together with others "in the know" so to speak as I have grappled with processing all the earth-shattering info that Laura and the Cs have imparted over the years. I consider it to be the most important information that I have learned in my lifetime and a "level 1 directive" that I found it at all. I don't know if there is a section for "networking" but would really like to get in touch. Dear Mr. Premise, Echo Blue, Falling Water, Nienna, Menna (and Laura and crew) Really wonderful to see these community C sessions. I live in Framingham, MA and would love to meet the MA crew at some point. It has been a hope of mine to get together with others "in the know" so to speak as I have grappled with processing all the earth-shattering info that Laura and the Cs have imparted over the years. I consider it to be the most important information that I have learned in my lifetime and a "level 1 directive" that I found it at all. I don't know if there is a section for "networking" but would really like to get in touch. There are meet-up discussions on the private FOTCOM member board. Thanks for sharing the session, a very inspiring and heart-warming rendition. Much to learn and chew over :) While searching for unrelated other things, I stumbled upon a post fragment of Laura about the death of her mother which is very relevant in the current context, I think: You know, my mother died last May [i.e. 2010] and it was a terrible thing. She had the first stroke in August of 2006 and there was just no fixing it. It took almost four full years to complete the process and believe me, she was afraid to die. She clung to life with a frightening tenacity and her suffering was almost unspeakable. At first, I was determined to "fix" things. Then, when I understood that, at some level, she had made this choice and it was my duty to "talk her through", that's what I did. Those phone conversations with my mother, explaining to her the process of dying, what she should realistically expect and what to do, were about the hardest I've ever had in my life. I didn't even try to not cry, I cried freely and she cried with me. I told her that I didn't like it, that I wished I knew what I now know about diet years ago when it could have helped her. We just talked about everything that needed to be said, but I made sure that I kept to my promise to try to make it as easy for her as possible. I told her that when she passed, she would be able to come to me in an instant, and she did. She was here in the house for about a week and we communicated with her before she "went into the light." In fact, we helped her with that, also. (year 2010 inserted by me) Related topics that came along in the search process: "Heaven is real" Near death experience (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21984.0.html) On Death (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21667.0.html) On Life After Death - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,2964.0.html) This is so very touching to me what you did for your mother, Laura. I`m struggling with the recent death of my father. I think I could of done more in the way of talking to him about dying and maybe I could have helped him in his passing the way you helped your mother. I was so caught up in being angry with him. I haven`t cried a tear for him. I wish I could. I feel ashamed that I didn`t do more for him and for feeling the way I do towards him. This is so very touching to me what you did for your mother, Laura. I`m struggling with the recent death of my father. I think I could of done more in the way of talking to him about dying and maybe I could have helped him in his passing the way you helped your mother. I was so caught up in being angry with him. I haven`t cried a tear for him. I wish I could. I feel ashamed that I didn't do more for him and for feeling the way I do towards him. Ah Nancy, it is good you are having and recognizing your feelings about this, but do not despair. From what I understand, it is not too late to make peace with the dead and writing letters and speaking to them, can be ways to recapitulate and finish what you could not complete, for whatever reason, while they were still alive. "the dead are with us always" I had a lot of anger issues with my father too, and it helped me to remember that he was just a fellow human being doing the best he could with where he was at at the time. He, like all of us, was a victim of his programming (I heard somewhere our cultural programming is our personal "operating system") and like so many people, was unable to overcome it and learn the lessons he needed to learn in this particular lifetime--a lifetime that not only coincided with mine, but on some soul level, I chose for my own lesson purposes at this time. Take care of yourself through your grieving process and don't place artificial limits on how long or how deep it should be. IMHO you will eventually find peace about your relationship with your father of this incarnation. shellycheval Dear Mr. Premise, Echo Blue, Falling Water, Nienna, Menna (and Laura and crew) Really wonderful to see these community C sessions. I live in Framingham, MA and would love to meet the MA crew at some point. It has been a hope of mine to get together with others "in the know" so to speak as I have grappled with processing all the earth-shattering info that Laura and the Cs have imparted over the years. I consider it to be the most important information that I have learned in my lifetime and a "level 1 directive" that I found it at all. I don't know if there is a section for "networking" but would really like to get in touch. Hi Candasiri, we'd like to meet you! PM me your contact information and we can keep you in the loop. We usually meet once a month and are choosing a date for the June meeting. We will be discussing When the Body Says No, by Gabor Mate. Meeting face to face is an awesome experience, but don't forget to network on the forum. The forum is where the real work is done, and the wider the network, the better. If you decide to take the next step in commitment, you can join the Fellowship (FOTCM) and, with enough forum participation and commitment to the Work, be admitted to the FOTCM private forum, where discussions about meetups take place. The only requirement in joining FOTCM is general assent to the Statement of Principles which can be found here: http://paleochristianity.org/statement-of-principles/ Thanks again Laura for the experience. I waited and remained quiet out of respect/manners as the others in the room and on the other side of the computer screen had more to do with putting this together then myself and saying "you don't have to be a member" was humor as I was just waiting my turn and had a feeling everyone was going to get a turn to ask a question. The c's answer to my question has produced a sort of calm in me. not only has it confirmed that my career as an educator is the right path but that I have been on the right path in the work as to help others you have to have the knowledge to help. I am not taking their answer as a call to be a STO superhero as I feel I will see where help is not only wanted but can have an impact(quality) as I have my own energy that I don't want to haphazardly waste. In our society and especially in America we have this always have to be progressing working pushing on to the next thing. Obviously this mentality is useful as something's require work and fortitude however I believe this mentality is towards the extreme especially after reading the book mentioned in the session I have taken more of a relaxed approached to life as it's important to realize the quality of your work and opportunity then the quantity. By being more of an observer (passive force) I feel I will see better fit where to be active and I will have more energy to be active with for others and for myself. This constant mentality of having to push and push at the expense of health and quality of life I feel is ingrained here in America and I am glad I am able to see the other side and that life doesn't have to and shouldn't constantly be a struggle. I believe I need to work on setting appropriate boundaries in different areas of my life as this will serve as protection and example. I also feel that people respect those that show how they want to be respected. thanks again Thank you for a lovely session. lovely session thanks to all involved (Menna) And Laura, thank you for recommending the book [When the Body Says No by Gabor Mate]. It's helped me. (L) Oh, I'm tellin' ya! That book was torture for me. I've rheumatoid arthritis, and I had all these female problems, and my kids have got autoimmune conditions... I saw me, I saw everybody around me, I saw everybody I know, and I said, "Oh my GOD! We are all SCREWED!!" [laughter] We gotta read this book and get over it! Okay, so ya'll have a fun time. It was great seeing everybody and ya'll look really wonderful. Alright, nighty night! A definite YES!!! on the Gabor Maté book. Mine arrived last week and I am half way through it. Last night I came to a part that dealt specifically with a problem that began a sequence of conditions in me over 30 years that culminated in my recent cancer episode. It was the stress at the time, 1990, which combined with a mandatory tetanus inoculation in an ER that triggered a cascade of autoimmune problems. I really wish I had found When the Body Says No a few decades earlier. The death of my father, the high pressure employment and the failing health and mental faculties of my mother 1500 miles away triggered all of the old suppressed childhood feelings of inadequacy and guilt. The result was illness. This book is a mandatory read for everyone. It has also prompted me to more frequently do the full EE session. No shortcuts. PS: Thank you Chu for bringing me a nice paleo meal when I was kept overnight in the hospital. That really made a difference. The prognosis for me is now very good and I intend to keep it that way. The 9 months of knocking on heaven's door was a sobering experience. It reminded me of the quote that Laura likes about knowing one is going to be hanged in a fortnight. I knew you were having some health issues, Rabelais, but didn't know it was cancer. I'm happy you are on the road to recovery and getting to the bottom of some issues. Be well, sending you strength and a big Howdy. Thank you for sharing. I knew you were having some health issues, Rabelais, but didn't know it was cancer. I'm happy you are on the road to recovery and getting to the bottom of some issues. Be well, sending you strength and a big Howdy. Same here. Get well soon, Rabelais. Rabelais, I also wish you to get well soon. :hug2: :hug2: May the learning bring healing. Also I wish you a soon and full recovery, Rabelais. Rabelais, I also wish you to get well soon. :hug2: :hug2: May the learning bring healing. Ditto. Get well soon, Rabelais. Thanks for sharing folks. Here's hoping that the burst of new sessions is a good indication that energy levels are high & networking is on the rise. I haven't had a death in the family or among friends for ages now but my best friend lost her mum on Mothers day last weekend. Elderly & frail and she went in her sleep. I just know she went the right way. Wishing you a full recovery too, Rabelais. Take care of yourself :hug: :hug2: I was aware of your health issues too Rabelais. Glad to know you are doing better. Glad to hear you are are doing well Rabelais :hug2: Thank you all for the kind words. The cancer's bark was much worse than its bite. It was just the culmination of a series of maladies that began in 1990. All were distinctly different in their manifestations, but interlinked in their root causal factor, which the Maté book made very clear to me for the first time. It indeed did go all the way back to childhood. These are the types of things that we probably all have suppressed, going on inside of us, that really must be resolved or they will literally kill us. My cancer symptoms were bloody awful. Really. I was passing probably a pint of blood every two or three days. This will get one's attention. This was during the period when the group here was concerned with hemochromitosis and regularly giving blood. I felt that this was probably unnecessary in my case, as the life force was exiting freely on its own :( I spoke with others who had this type of cancer, who did not pass any blood at all, so I guess in retrospect that the bleeding was a fortunate thing that attracted my attention long before the tumor could grow to a malignant size. After its removal I asked the surgeon what stage it was. He laughed and said "Stage zero". It had not even penetrated the epithelial wall with blood vessels, so I can guardedly consider myself cured, but there is still work to be done to make certain that this does not happen again. The doc said that the tumor was about 1 year old, which put its beginnings at about 6 months into a 2 year daily regimen of prednisone, which was prescribed for another essentially life threatening autoimmune/inflammation condition. This was no doubt a significant factor in stimulating the growth of abnormal cells. Anyway its hopefully all behind me now and I can get back to doing, without the health distractions of the past three years. I am touched by all your words of support. It means a lot. If you haven't yet acquired a copy of When The Body Says No, I urge you to please do so. It is some very important information. I was not fully aware of all the baggage I had been dragging around for 6+ decades. Knowing this seems to make the EE sessions more focused and productive. I would also highly recommend the book Knockout: Interviews With Doctors Who Are Curing Cancer, by Suzanne Somers. Any friends or family who might have recently been diagnosed with cancer should really read this book before submitting to "standard of care" oncology. The integrative oncologists interviewed are curing patients who have Stage 4 cancers and have been sent home to die by their physicians. They are doing this primarily with diet and supplementation and achieving results that put the orthodox practitioners to shame. It is a great stress reliever to know that there are options that one can employ, and hard questions that should be asked of your doctor before submitting to their medieval nostrums. Thanks again. Blessings to you all - and perhaps we can link chakras every Monday and Thursday. Physician heal thyself. Thanks again. Blessings to you all - and perhaps we can link chakras every Monday and Thursday. Physician heal thyself. Roger that ;) And thank you for opening up and letting us know :hug: That's great to hear Rabelais, thank you for sharing :flowers: Thanks again. Blessings to you all - and perhaps we can link chakras every Monday and Thursday. Physician heal thyself. Roger that ;) Roger twice :) That's great news, Rabelais. Also an excellent concrete example of how knowledge protects. Much strength to you Rabelais and a speedy recovery :hug: Good on you, Rableais! It's good to realise that there are options besides slash, burn and poison for cancer sufferers. I do have Suzanne Sommer's book, but haven't read it yet - my reading list just got longer ... This is so good to hear Rabelais. Kudos to your body to have sent you an early warning so loud and clear, and good for you to have listened to it. Now onto speedy recovery. Thank you for the book reference, I'll definitely add it to my reading list. This is so good to hear Rabelais. Kudos to your body to have sent you an early warning so loud and clear, and good for you to have listened to it. Now onto speedy recovery. Thank you for the book reference, I'll definitely add it to my reading list. Ditto that! So glad that you are now healing. This is so good to hear Rabelais. Kudos to your body to have sent you an early warning so loud and clear, and good for you to have listened to it. Now onto speedy recovery. Thank you for the book reference, I'll definitely add it to my reading list. Ditto that! So glad that you are now healing. Ditto too. :flowers: A speedy recovery to you Rabelais :flowers: :hug2: This is so good to hear Rabelais. Kudos to your body to have sent you an early warning so loud and clear, and good for you to have listened to it. Now onto speedy recovery. Thank you for the book reference, I'll definitely add it to my reading list. Ditto that! So glad that you are now healing. Ditto, too. I am glad for you that you heard early enough. Take care. :flowers: This is so good to hear Rabelais. Kudos to your body to have sent you an early warning so loud and clear, and good for you to have listened to it. Now onto speedy recovery. Thank you for the book reference, I'll definitely add it to my reading list. Ditto that! So glad that you are now healing. Ditto, too. I am glad for you that you heard early enough. Take care. :flowers: I'm glad you're doing much better, your experience really shows how knowledge can protect AND heal! Thanks for the book recommendation! I'll definitely be checking it out! Thank you for these new and refreshing type of sessions. You can tell they are different from sessions in the past, maybe reflecting sort of a 'phase change' in the group/'soon others will join your reality' hint and/or '0 new year' quote by C's. Maybe the new feel/dynamic of these Skype session reflects the changing of the reality? Laura's experience with her mother reminded of the experience I had when my mother passed away. I didn't even had a chance to say goodbye, much less to talk her through, because she passed away so suddenly. She fell into a coma and her brain stopped functioning before she was even diagnosed with brain cancer. She was then kept on a life support for more than a month, during which time I hoped and prayed for her recovery, even though there was no chance for that to happen, which other members of the family knew, but kept it away from me and my brothers. I had two interesting dreams during the time she was in a coma. In first I dreamt my mother's hospital bed and a device displaying the blood pressure numbers. That day we had a call from hospital, doctors telling us that for the first time her blood pressure somehow rose a little, and the numbers were the same that I saw in my dream. The second dream was the significant one. In this dream, my mother and myself were talking in her room, which was the same place I last saw her alive. This dream was vivid and intense. I was in almost complete lucid state of awareness, and the environment was vibrant and energetic, for the lack of better words. We were having a conversation and I did most of the talking, which from the part of the dream that I remember, consisted mostly of me talking her through - explaining that there's no reason to be afraid, that we're beings of energy, driving a body as a vehicle, until our part is done, and we're ready to return from the place were all the souls are coming from. At that time I was mostly in the Castaneda books, but I was aware of the Cs transcripts, reincarnation, and have read the book "Journey of souls" by Michael Newton, and even during the last months of my mother's life, I would sometimes shared with her, pieces of information and thoughts about such topics, and she would always listen. I wish to believe that this dream was more than just a product of my subconsciousness, and that it helped my mum with her passage, as much as I believe it helped me deal with her death. Because, when I look back now, from that day on I felt some kind of ambiguous peace. I think it reflected my acceptance/knowing of her death and successful passage, on some level of my being. And for that alone, this dream is in fact real for me. Thank you for the new session A friend of mine asked me: What can we do for the persons with a violent death? In nations like Iraq, Afghanistan... Mexico... a lot of people has a violent death. My Friend's brother was decapitated and he was told that the soul's brother was stuck what can he do? I haven't heard the term "frequency fence" before, did I miss something somewhere? Here's the link to that term: http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=334 It was first used in Bringers of the Dawn and discussed a few times in the Cassiopaea material and here on the forum. Thank you for the session. And thank you for the post on frequency fence. It has been a while since I heard (or read) this term. A speedy recovery to you Rabelais :flowers: :hug2 Ditto Rabelais. All the best on your journey to recovery. :perfect: Thank you for the new session A friend of mine asked me: What can we do for the persons with a violent death? In nations like Iraq, Afghanistan... Mexico... a lot of people has a violent death. My Friend's brother was decapitated and he was told that the soul's brother was stuck what can he do? Yes, this is a problem: violent, sudden deaths. There's a lot of historic esoteric literature about that. I would even suggest that the ancient Roman religion developed in reaction to periods of mass, violent deaths. A soul that gets stuck that way needs a lot of reassurance and explanation. If it were me, I would probably create a little "communication shrine" with a photo of the individual, some object that belonged to them, and a candle. I would use this as a focusing tool to talk the person through. Perhaps a letter could be written to the person, explaining the situation, expressing the sadness and regret, pointing out that they are free now to go into the light and perhaps there will be a new and better life. Place the letter in front of the photo and set the candle on top of it. Light the candle and let it burn out, speaking to the soul that when the candle flame goes out, they will find themselves in the light of the spirit world. Of course, each individual might need to do this over a longer or shorter period of time depending on the level of trauma. After a time of giving the departed attention and encouragement this way, the individual may feel at a certain moment that they have become unstuck, transitioned properly, and the trauma will lessen on both sides. Sometimes, it is the trauma on the side of the living that holds the dead in "stuck places", too. So this type of activity can work on both sides. Thank you for the new session A friend of mine asked me: What can we do for the persons with a violent death? In nations like Iraq, Afghanistan... Mexico... a lot of people has a violent death. My Friend's brother was decapitated and he was told that the soul's brother was stuck what can he do? Yes, this is a problem: violent, sudden deaths. There's a lot of historic esoteric literature about that. I would even suggest that the ancient Roman religion developed in reaction to periods of mass, violent deaths. A soul that gets stuck that way needs a lot of reassurance and explanation. If it were me, I would probably create a little "communication shrine" with a photo of the individual, some object that belonged to them, and a candle. I would use this as a focusing tool to talk the person through. Perhaps a letter could be written to the person, explaining the situation, expressing the sadness and regret, pointing out that they are free now to go into the light and perhaps there will be a new and better life. Place the letter in front of the photo and set the candle on top of it. Light the candle and let it burn out, speaking to the soul that when the candle flame goes out, they will find themselves in the light of the spirit world. Of course, each individual might need to do this over a longer or shorter period of time depending on the level of trauma. After a time of giving the departed attention and encouragement this way, the individual may feel at a certain moment that they have become unstuck, transitioned properly, and the trauma will lessen on both sides. Sometimes, it is the trauma on the side of the living that holds the dead in "stuck places", too. So this type of activity can work on both sides. Thank you Laura I will transmit your opinion and i will search for esoteric literature. Thank you Laura I will transmit your opinion and i will search for esoteric literature. When I mentioned historic esoteric literature, I meant things like Fustel de Coulanges' "The Ancient City" and reading ancient accounts of what people believed and did to take care of the dead. I doubt that you will find much in the way of reasonable material if you are searching "esoteric literature." Best to read history. Thank you for this session. Thank you all for another great session! A very touching and heartwarming session. I love how everyone is coming together! And thank you Rabelais for talking about the 'When The Body Says No', I will have to read that book! I have been loosing a lot of hair in patches for a while now, and no one seems to know why, and I had just bumped onto an article about homeopathy, hair loss and the death of loved ones, and was beginning to think that it might be the cause of it,..the loss of my mother a few years ago, around when the hair loss started to happen. Now reading the session with Laura talking about the loss of her mother and Rabelais talking about the importance of the book, it gave me a nice push to seek some new remedies, natural and spiritual! Thank you! Thanks for sharing the session Laura and team and also to all participants!! Great session! :wizard: This was a bit of a shock, atomic-blast-asteroids? Does anyone by chance know the link for this article? Sure, here's the link: http://www.sott.net/article/277845-Astronauts-reveal-sobering-data-on-asteroid-impacts-Since-2001-26-atomic-bomb-scale-explosions-have-occurred-in-remote-locations-around-the-world found two more which go into a similar direction, so that we have "3" ;): http://www.sott.net/article/277718-The-biggest-threat-to-humanity-far-bigger-than-global-warming-climate-change-is-about-to-get-bigger-much-bigger http://www.sott.net/article/277827-Cosmic-roulette-Astronauts-warn-that-we-are-literally-in-a-shooting-gallery I originally asked that question thinking - 26 plus atomic impacts and not one over a populated area- the odds are mounting against us. Also you never know what will eventually rain down on us. Following up on the original article, in the video within the link below they say "most " were high altitude impacts. Looks like the 2009 explosion that brought down AF 447 didn't make their list. https://b612foundation.org/list-of-impacts-from-impact-video/ Here is their location list: 6/6/2002 (20+ kilotons) Mediterranean Sea 11/10/2002 (1-9 kilotons) North Pacific Ocean 9/3/2004 (20+ kilotons) Southern Ocean 10/7/2004 (10-20 kilotons) Indian Ocean 10/26/2005 (1-9 kilotons) South Pacific Ocean 11/9/2005 (1-9 kilotons) New South Wales, Australia 2/6/2006 (1-9 kilotons) South Atlantic Ocean 5/21/2006 (1-9 kilotons) South Atlantic Ocean 6/7/2007 (1-9 kilotons) Finland 8/9/2006 (1-9 kilotons) Indian Ocean 9/2/2006 (1-9 kilotons) Indian Ocean 10/2/2006 (1-9 kilotons) Arabian Sea 9/22/2007 (1-9 kilotons) Indian Ocean 12/26/2007 (1-9 kilotons) South Pacific Ocean 10/7/2008 (1-9 kilotons) Sudan 10/8/2009 (20+ kilotons) South Sulawesi, Indonesia 9/3/2010 (10-20 kilotons) South Pacific Ocean 12/25/2010 (1-9 kilotons) Tasman Sea 4/22/2012 (1-9 kilotons) California, USA 2/15/2013, (20+ kilotons) Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia 4/21/2013 (1-9 kilotons) Santiago del Estero, Argentina 4/30/2013 (10-20 kilotons) North Atlantic Ocean Fantastic session - thanks for that! I originally asked that question thinking - 26 plus atomic impacts and not one over a populated area- the odds are mounting against us. Also you never know what will eventually rain down on us. Following up on the original article, in the video within the link below they say "most " were high altitude impacts. Looks like the 2009 explosion that brought down AF 447 didn't make their list. Indeed, the odds do seem to be mounting against us. I'd be interested to see whether there's any correlation between the locations of impacts and the location of grid points. The logic being that if comets or space rocks contain metal or have an electrical charge of some sort, and grid points have a magnetic component to them, then there might be some interaction going on. Indeed, the odds do seem to be mounting against us. I'd be interested to see whether there's any correlation between the locations of impacts and the location of grid points. The logic being that if comets or space rocks contain metal or have an electrical charge of some sort, and grid points have a magnetic component to them, then there might be some interaction going on. Don't forget the "Human-Cosmic-Connection" Just ordered mine! http://www.amazon.com/Changes-Human-Cosmic-Connection-Secret-History-ebook/dp/B00KI8KKWW Thanks is going to have to be enough, but somehow falls short. What you dear Laura have done defies any work I've ever come in contact with. I Lucknow you re human, as you share selflessly enough about it, but lol, you're a it something, when it comes to us all in general. And that something has always been there, even when I wanted to scream, I know you want to too, maybe for different reasons. Still. I am packing finally this week and moving to New England, New Hampshire, and I can only hope to be breathin enough to hear the sound of another member, or even some who live in somewhat of a communal way. But the way of us is not the way of most communal setups, but I will know, AND you never know. I might catch the aroma of the QP of the FOTCM in my ravels. Oh I really pray on that one, but either way what YOU Laura give, and everyone else who also shares, is I believe what the C's are about. This voice of truth and reason and the ability to recognize it's resonance with the many ways that have have been given to us to open to who we are, our clarity, is what gives real knowledge. I thank your Mom and I'll bet she really knows now what she is about and who she birthed. What the C's opened in you I feel is opened in me everytime you share and selflessly and publically to boot! And all the stuff and difficulties it entails. And that is nothing to sneeze at. And yes, there is an ice age to acknowledge, and if dots connect me south I'll go there. Until then I'm going to a pace very near the mountains, but I have seat belts, a telescope, and funds and all the rest of the survivalist gear so I'm keeping the eyes and ears and heart open. And I have a dove, no really! And fake fur! What could go wrong? Great session indeed! Thank you Laura and everybody! Rabelais, speedy recovery! :boat: Thanks for this session! I was completely amazed at just how much you guys do for each other.
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Laura (L) i Andromeda za pločom Prisutni: Pierre, Perceval, Possibility of Being, Chu, Data, Kniall, Mr. Scott, Alana Pridružili se preko Skype-a: Mr. Premise, Echo Blue, Falling Water, Nienna, Menna Pitanje (P): (L) [Pozdravi i dobrodošlice] Danas je 3. svibanj 2014. godine. Prisutni su: Echo Blue, Falling Water, Nienna, Menna, i Mr. Premise. Prisutni ovdje u sobi su: Kniall, Possibility of Being, Chu, Perceval, Pierre, Alana, Mr. Scott, Data, te Andromeda i ja za pločom. Dobro, krenimo… Osjećam Pink Floyd melodiju koja dolazi. (Pierre) Koju? (L) Ima li koga?! O: Luđak koji gleda u Mjesec, eto tko! (L) Pink Floyd obožavatelj je tamo, ha? U redu. Koga imamo s nama večeras? O: Honilaea. (L) I od kuda prenosite ili kroz kuda? O: Kasiopeja. (L) Da li se to odnosilo na Pink Floyd, kao što sam pomislila? O: Da. (L) U redu, imamo ovdje našu malu ekipu iz Massachusettsa i iz New England područja, i mislim da oni imaju neka pitanja. Dakle, Mr. Premise, ovo je tvoj znak! Premise) Hvala. Pa, u prethodnoj sesiji smo imali ekipu iz Sjeverne Karoline koja živi u umreženoj zajednici, ali mi to ovdje nemamo. Borimo se raznim načinima kako raditi stvari, ali nekako smo raštrkani u našim životima, a to situaciju čini težom. Kod nas u SAD-u definitivno osjećamo efekte frekvencijske barijere i to prilično intenzivno. To uvijek primijetim kad se vratim natrag iz Francuske. Imam energije nekoliko tjedana, a onda samo potonem u mulj ovdje. Pa se pitamo postoje li neke stvari, u našoj situaciji, koje bi trebali činiti. Znam da vjerojatno postoje i drugi ljudi po cijelom planetu koji su u sličnoj situaciji. Postoje li stvari koje bi trebali više činiti, da se energiziramo, povežemo čakre, i sve to? O: Koliko mjesta imaš u svom novom domu? Dovoljno da formiraš “obiteljsko pleme”? Premise) Vjerujem da je tako, da. Imamo kuću površine 4000 kvadratnih stopa (oko 372 m2) i 12 akri zemlje (4.86 hektara). O: Što je onda problem? Imaš ljude i nešto mjesta… Proširite se!! (L) Razumiješ što oni predlažu, zar ne? Oni predlažu da ti imaš obitelj koja bi mogla biti jezgra plemena. Pleme treba proširenu obitelj. Treba širenje, treba prostor. Jer ta vrsta odnosa može biti vrlo vrijedna u teškim vremenima, pogotovo za vrijeme ekonomske depresije, ili nemira ili čak političke krize. Samo postojanje proširene obitelji… Nemaju svi proširene obitelji s kojima žele živjeti, i koje su poput pravih obitelji. Dakle, morate nekako kreirati svoju vlastitu proširenu obitelj, popunjenu ljudima koji su poput vaše duhovne obitelji. Nešto poput ovoga što mi imamo ovdje. Mi imamo jezgru obitelji: to su Ark, naša djeca i ja. Ali imamo sve ove ljude koji čine proširenu obitelj, koji su – barem što se mene tiče – moja dodatna djeca. Ja jednostavno imam mnogo djece. Jedino što ih nisam ja rodila! Dakle, tako nešto. Ali onda to stavlja odgovornost da se postane istinski roditelj. To zbilja znači preuzeti odgovornost pravog roditelja. Ne možeš si dozvoliti da te vodi tvoj hir, i emocije, i natjecanja, itd. Moraš preuzeti istinsku odgovornost. U svakom slučaju, iduće pitanje. (Falling Water) Imam pitanje u vezi te iste teme. Kada kreiramo te zajednice ljudi, moraju li ti pojedinci biti prisutni unutar nje kako bi imali na taj način zaštitu poput spomenute grupe iz Sjeverne Karoline? O: Tako je bolje i brže, budući da je jaka i konstantna povratna informacija potrebna za razvoj istinskog kanala. Također razmislite i o neprestanim svakodnevnim naporima koji zahtijevaju podršku i ublažavanje. (L) Ako nemate ljude tu pored sebe cijelo vrijeme, svakodnevnica vas jednostavno pobjedi. Mi ne bi preživjeli da nismo imali jedni druge. Mi smo došli pod neke od najjačih napada koje itko može zamisliti. Mislim, to su stvari koje te natjeraju da jednostavno poželiš da sklopiš svoj šator i odeš kući. Da nismo imali jedni druge, to bi već odavno učinili! Premise) To ima smisla. (L) U redu, iduće? (Echo Blue) Nisam siguran jesu li već na ovo odgovorili, ali ako mi ne možemo živjeti fizički skupa na jednom mjestu, što bi bilo iduće najbolje za učiniti? Sastajati se češće? Nisam siguran. O: Da. (Echo Blue) U redu. (Perceval) Pitam se, ne znam činite li to već, ako bi pored toga na neki način podijelili svoje svakodnevne probleme s drugima… Jer kad ste skupa, mogli biste oponašati taj aspekt “življenja skupa”, tako što bi u suštini bili malo iskreniji jedni prema drugima u vezi toga kako se nosite sa svakodnevnim životom. Znate… (L) Ono što bi bilo idealno, mislim, je to da se bude što je moguće bliže, ako niste baš svi u istoj kući. Mogli bi biti vrlo blizu jedni drugima. Jedna od najboljih stvari koju smo otkrili je ta da zajedno doručkujemo. Dižemo se zajedno, kuhamo skupa, imamo doručak skupa, gledamo filmove skupa jednom tjedno. Sjednemo, pogledamo film, diskutiramo ga, ili… budući da stalno radimo na internet stranicama, ili projektima, ili pišemo knjige, ili istražujemo, okupimo vrlo često sve zajedno poput neke testne grupe – gdje možete razgovarati o onome na čemu radite, razmjenjivati ideje, možete razgovarati o tome kako se osjećate kada ste pod stresom radi ovoga ili onoga – mi to ovdje činimo cijelo vrijeme. Ako bi ostali ljudi mogli činiti tu vrstu stvari, to počinje stvarati neku vrstu spirale ideja, energija i međusobne podrške koja se širi. I naravno, ako iziđeš s nekom zbilja glupom idejom, drugi te odmah upozore da s tim ne nastavljaš i ne napraviš budalu od sebe. Ali inače, ako postoji nekakva mana u vašoj ideji, vi možete razgovarati o njoj, možete ju analizirati, itd. Tu se jednostavno događa toliko mnogo stvari da je zbilja dobro imati mjesto gdje možete sjesti i imati objede zajedno, i razgovarati o mnogim stvarima. Ono što bi vjerojatno bilo najidealnije za mnoge ljude je da imaju odvojene stambene jedinice, ali s velikom blagovaonicom gdje bi svi mogli jesti zajedno. Kada se jede zajedno to je vrlo dinamično… I kuhanje zajedno! Kad odemo tamo i kuhamo, mi imamo, koliko, sedam žena u kući? Sedam žena. Kad odemo u kuhinju i kuhamo – to je super! Imate sedam žena i one sve jedna drugoj pomažu. To je jednostavno super. (Chu) I muški kuhaju također! (Andromeda) Oni se udruže kod “brikolaž” projekata. (L) Oni većinom prave i popravljaju stvari koje mi uvidimo da se trebaju popraviti! (Pierre) Bože, koliko ih je! [smijeh] (L) To je poput ovog zajedničkog “djelovanja”. Dođe se do točke, kad radite zajedno, u kojoj više i ne morate govoriti što treba napraviti jer već znaš što treba učiniti da bi pomogao toj drugoj osobi. I ti to učiniš. Vi na neki način postajete kao dobro podmazana mašina. Dakle, imam osjećaj da je to dio “povezivanja čakri”. Premise, ti si bio ovdje i znaš kako je to. Mi jednostavno dođemo tamo i radimo. To je zaista izvrsno. Naravno, sedam žena u kuhinji može zvučati kao katastrofa na pomolu. Ali katastrofe se ne događaju ako su to žene koje vole i daju. Sjetite se LG, te totalno teritorijalne kučke, i svatko tko je tamo došao i samo taknuo “njenu šalicu” – ona je odmah počela siktati na njega! [smijeh] Ali znate, vi ne možete biti poput nje. Ne možete biti teritorijano orijentirani i osjećati “To je moje, moje, moje!” Naravno, danas popodne, bila sam malo uznemirena kad sam primijetila auto odmah ispred ulaznih vrata. I rekla sam: “Tko je parkirao ispred mojih ulaznih vrata?!” [smijeh] (Perceval) To nije bilo teritorijalno. To je bila estetika. (L) Da, to je upravljanje estetikom, jer nitko ne parkira auto baš ispred ulaznih vrata. (Perceval) Ako pravilno razumijem tu ideju, ne izgleda mi praktično da se svi preselite kod Mr. Premise. Točno? U redu. Ono što sad činite je to da se sastajete povremeno. Ali vi to činite… Mr. Premise, gdje se nalazi tvoja obitelj sada? Premise) Ona je udaljena oko 20 minuta vožnje. Mi smo ovdje kod Echo Bluea, a ja sam udaljen oko 10 minuta. Nienna živi na oko 15 minuta vožnje ili tu negdje. Falling Water je udaljen oko sat vremena i to je malo daleko. Menna živi ovdje u istom gradu kao i Echo Blue. (Perceval) Dakle, ideja je da nova kuća Mr. Premisea bude neka vrsta centra, a da drugi ljudi iz bližih mjesta, teorijski, svrate i budu prošireni članovi obitelji. Dolazite na večeru češće… (Andromeda) Rođendani… (Perceval) Da, rođendani, a i češće, ne samo kad se sjetite toga. Ideja je da tvoja kuća postane neka vrsta centra. (L) I tvoja žena je dosta uključena u mnoge stvari, a i nema razloga zašto tvoja djeca ne bi mogla biti izložena proširenoj obitelji. (Laura Andromedi) Je li vama djeco smetalo kad sam vam to činila? (Andromeda) Ne. (L) Oni vole imati više braće, sestara, teta i ujaka. (Perceval) To bi se moglo razviti. U početku bi moglo biti samo to da prijatelji dolaze, bliski prijatelji. Mislim da je najbitnije da se tvoja žena mora složiti s time. (L) Ona bi morala postati majka. Premise) Nova kuća je izgrađena tako da pogoduje takvim sastancima više ljudi, pa to zvuči kao odlična ideja. (L) Dakle, ove dvije prisutne cure bi morale postati tetke. Imamo tetu ovdje! Moja snaha je ovdje! (Perceval) U slučaju da je nemoguće da svi žive zajedno kao jedna obitelj, onda to pokušajte kopirati u svojoj kući, koliko je god moguće. (L) I ako je vaš posjed dovoljno velik, možda bi mogli konstruirati ili sagraditi neku vrstu gostinjske kuće za dulje posjete. Kao što mi imamo našu kućicu ovdje preko za smještaj članova grupe koji dođu u duži posjet, itd. Možda bi svi mogli skupiti novac i zajedno kupiti nešto montažno. Pa Falling Water je arhitekt, za boga miloga! On može dizajnirati i sagraditi nešto takvo. Mislim, trebali bi vidjeti kako taj čovjek slaže drva! [smijeh] Premise) Da, vidio sam neke vrlo dobre montažne kućice koje su već spremne za useliti. To je odlična ideja. (Chu) Koliko vas bi se moglo useliti skupa? Nitko od vas? (L) Mislim da bi oni trebali poraditi na tome. To bi se trebalo prirodno dogoditi. Ljudi dođu… Mislim, mi smo imali ljude koji su ovamo stigli, npr. Kniall. Kniall je živio u odvojenom stanu. Zapravo je živio u Belgiji neko vrijeme. I došao bi k nama za vrijeme svojih praznika i proveo svoje vrijeme radeći i pomažući. Zatim je bio u mogućnosti useliti se u svoj vlastiti stan u blizini jer je želio biti bliže nama, ali je još uvijek radio na svojem redovitom poslu preko interneta. Zatim je provodio sve više vremena ovdje i pola puta je prespavao ovdje. “Zašto bi išao kući Kniall, večeraj s nama, istuširaj se, i legni u krevet!” Poslije toga bilo je nešto poput: “Zašto ti uopće više treba tvoj vlastiti stan? Nikad nisi u njemu, već si uvijek ovdje!” I to se tako dogodilo, a to se dogodilo i drugim ljudima. Tako nam je i Pierre stigao. Rekli smo mu da dođe i ostane neko vrijeme dok se ne oporavi od svoje bolesti. Onda, poslije kraćeg vremena bilo je: “Zašto držiš taj tvoj stan u Marseilleu? Nikad ne ideš tamo, pa jednostavno oslobodi ga se!” Dakle, ljudi dođu i uklope se, i ti se osjećaš ugodno i svi se slažu. To se događa prirodno kada želiš biti skupa i raditi skupa na raznim projektima. (Perceval) To je napredak. (Pierre) Korak po korak. (L) Da, i to se jednostavno događa prirodno. U redu, iduće pitanje? (Echo Blue) Pitam se, u vezi zadnje sesije koju ste imali s grupom iz Sjeverne Karoline, kad ste pričali o tome da napišete knjigu o umiranju. Radim u domu za starije i nemoćne osobe. I obično sam s ljudima koji umiru. Oni i nisu baš stvarno tamo jer su na lijekovima. Bilo iz razloga što ih boli, ili što su vrlo uznemireni zbog toga što im se događa. Dakle, pitam se, jer radim s njima, da li se nešto drugo može učiniti da im se pomogne u toj tranziciji na jednostavniji način, a ne da im se daju ti teški lijekovi? Čak ni ne znam je li to moguće, ali… O: Lijekovi ne gase svjesnost. Možeš ih još uvijek “provesti kroz to”, pa čak i kad se oni “čine” nesvjesnima. (Echo Blue) Pa, znam da je sluh zadnja stvar koja strada prilikom umiranja. Dobro, moje iduće pitanje bi bilo: koji je najbolji način da se provedu kroz to? O: Laura je to već učinila. (L) Jesam li vam ikad ispričala što se događalo kad je umirala moja majka? Nazvala sam je preko telefona. Zvala sam ju svaki drugi dan. (Echo Blue) Oh, pjevanje! (L) Pa, ja sam snimila pjesme, djeca su pjevala njene pjesme koje je voljela. I uz to sam s njom razgovarala preko telefona, a moj brat joj je držao telefon kraj uha. I rekla sam joj što može očekivati. Izravno sam joj rekla stvari poput: “Umiranje nije kraj, to je samo prijelaz u drugu vrstu egzistencije. Nećeš izgubiti sebe, nećeš izgubiti svoju svijest, nećeš izgubiti svoju sposobnost percipiranja ljubavi ili osjećaja. Možeš se otpustiti, samo se oslobodi svojeg tijela.” I rekla sam joj da je otpuštanje tijela poput skidanja cipela koje su preuske. Osjećat ćeš se vrlo slobodno, i svi bolovi, patnje i ograničenja tijela će nestati, itd. … Za mene je to bilo vrlo srcedrapajuće i plakala sam dok sam joj to govorila. Ali morala sam provesti svoju majku kroz to jer se ona užasavala umiranja. I osjećala sam se nekako kao da sam roditelj koji ohrabruje dijete koje će imati neko novo iskustvo. Dakle, mislim da je to najvažnija stvar. Kažite im što mogu očekivati: “Kad dođete tamo, vidjet ćete svjetlo i ako pogledate u njega, vidjet ćete ljude koje volite.” I znate, imenovala sam joj ljude koji su već otišli i za koje je ona bila vezana i rekla da će ih vidjeti i da će oni biti tamo za nju. Dakle, samo idi u tom smjeru i pruži ruke, oni će te uzeti za ruke, i ponovno ćeš se ujediniti s njima…”, itd., itd. Sjećate se člana naše grupe DW koja je umrla? Napravila sam istu stvar i za nju. Ona je jednostavno toliko patila i trudila se ostati ovdje, držala se i držala. Na kraju sam je nazvala, razgovarala s njom i objasnila što će se najvjerojatnije događati poslije umiranja. I rekla sam joj da se više ne treba boriti ostati ovdje. Borila se toliko jako jer se osjećala kao da je smrt neuspjeh njenog Rada! I morala sam joj objasniti da to nije neuspjeh, da ona možda može učiniti više za nas tamo preko nego da ostane ovdje. Sa svim problemima njenog tijela koje je imala toliko dugo… Morate govoriti iz svoga srca. To nije kao da imate neku formulu gdje nešto pročitate i kažete: “Ovdje ćeš napraviti ovo, tamo ćeš napraviti ono”. Ti jednostavno pomažeš toj osobi, i voliš je. Jedna stvar koju sam rekla svojoj majci je bila: “Isti tren kad napustiš svoje tijelo, dođi k meni. Da, ja sam na drugoj strani oceana, ali te stvari nisu barijera kad si na drugoj strani. Sve što moraš učiniti je misliti na mene, i bit ćeš ovdje”. I neka sam prokleta ako ona to nije i učinila! Bila sam u svojoj sobi i mogla sam je osjetiti. Rekla sam: “Mama, zbilja sam umorna sada, pa evo, legni ovdje na kauč.” Stavila sam jastuk i pokrivač na kauč za nju da spava i rekla sam joj da ćemo ujutro popričati o svemu. Idući dan imali smo sesiju i komunicirala sam s njom i jednostavno imala mnogo stvari za zaključiti. I to je jedna od onih sesija gdje sam plakala za vrijeme sesije jer je to bilo vrlo emotivno. Morate to učiniti. Morate prevazići svoje vlastite… Ne možete biti djetinjasti. To je kao da se roditelj mora brinuti za svoje dijete pa čak i kad se roditelj ne osjeća dobro. Vi ipak morate to učiniti. To je jedna od onih stvari, pa čak i kad ste vrlo emocionalni i jedva se držite, koju morate učiniti za tu osobu koja umire. Dakle, ako ste tamo s nekim tko umire, ne vidim neki razlog zašto ne bi mogli razgovarati s njim. Ako su oni potpuno nesvjesni, još uvijek će te čuti. Vi još uvijek pričate s tim dijelom njih koji pokušava napustiti ovaj život. Dakle, ne vidim neki razlog da se s njima ne porazgovara na vrlo smiren, umirujući, nježan i vrlo podržavajući način. Neka znaju da se tu nema čega plašiti. To nije strašna stvar. “Bit ćeš u redu. Tu sam s tobom, pomoći ću ti da prođeš kroz to.” Možeš to reći jer to i radiš. Na isti način kad netko od naših ovdje mora ići na neku vrstu operacije, mi odemo i boravimo u bolnici i podržavamo ih mentalno kao forma zaštite. Kad je netko u nesvijesti, ili je pod sedativima ili čemu već, i kad su u slabom stanju, ne želite nikakve prikvačene entitete ili čudne stvari. Dakle, to je druga stvar koju činimo. Imati tim ljudi koji su jednostavno prisutni i čuvaju te za vrijeme operacije, ili kad umireš je vjerojatno ogromna usluga, mislim bar. Dobro, iduće? (Falling Water) U vezi iste teme, ali više osobno, pitam se jesmo li napravili ispravnu odluku u zadnjih par dana života mojeg oca? O: Da. (Falling Water) Hvala vam. (L) Kakva je to bila odluka? (Falling Water) Imao je Parkinsonovu bolest. I dao nam je upute da ako se što dogodi, da ne želi nikakvu umjetnu podršku života ili tako nešto. I 15. lipnja je imao moždani udar i ostao potpuno oduzet. Doveli smo ga kući i jednostavno ostali s njim. Nije mogao niti jesti niti piti. Imao je jako srce i zbog toga je to trajalo 12 dana. Rekli su nam da to inače potraje 2-10 dana. (L) To je vrlo slično onom što se dogodilo s mojom majkom. Kad je prestala jesti, odbijala je sedative do zadnje minute. I na kraju, jednostavno sam prekršila njene želje jer je jako patila. I kroz 2 dana je umrla. Shvatila sam da je ona to trebala u tom momentu. (Falling Water) Da, davali smo mu morfij svakih par sati kroz čitavo to vrijeme. O: Bio je to vrlo lijep prijelaz. (L) Iduće? Što je s tobom Nienna, tamo u kutu? (Nienna) Nemam ništa za pitati. (L) Izgledaš odlično! (Nienna) Hvala. Pa dobro, čekajte. Vrlo je osobno. Nedavno sam bila bolesna. Nisam ništa jela 7 dana. Jednostavno nisam bila gladna. Udarilo me na pluća, bila sam zbilja slaba i vrlo umorna. Ali kad ne jedem, osjećam se bolje sa svim tim simptomima. Dakle, opet jedem i simptomi nisu toliko loši kao što su bili, ali je gore nego kad nisam jela. Dakle, što se tu događa? O: Naizmjeničan post će pomoći. (L) Znaš što sam ja učinila? Prestala sam jesti masne bombe s kokosovim mlijekom i kokosovim uljem jer mislim da me to mučilo. A Chu je napravila eksperiment izrade naše masne bombe samo s vodom, svinjskom masti, maslacem, žumanjcima, nešto ksilitola i kakaom. I ispostavilo se da je to bilo tako ukusno. Očito, ako upotrijebiš mast i vodu, i napraviš emulziju od njih, s mnogo žumanjaka, i onda to dobro istučeš mikserom, to postane ta izvrsna kremasta stvar koja nema skoro ništa ugljikohidrata. Mislim, jedini ugljikohidrati u tome su ono nešto malo što sadrže žumanjci i nešto u ksilitolu. To je jednostavno nevjerojatno. Dakle, čak i ako ne stavite kokosovo ulje ili maslac, pretpostavljam da možete to isto dobiti s masti, vodom, žumanjcima, kakaom i nekim zaslađivačem. I na taj način možete u sebe unijeti onoliko masti koliko to odgovara vašim dnevnim potrebama, kakve god one bile. Jer morate imati nešto za svoje energetske potrebe. Ne možete jednostavno prestati jesti. (Chu) MK Scarlett je postala recept za goveđu juhu sa svinjskim papcima i ona je puna minerala. Možete prestati jesti u 15:00, i kasnije otići spavati, i to je već naizmjeničan post budući da trebaš 13 sati da ništa ne jedeš. I onda ujutro ako si gladan, uzmeš nešto masne bombe, ili još te juhe, i onda u 15:00 opet prestaneš jesti. (L) Možeš imati dobar doručak sa slaninom i kobasicama. Perceval i Andromeda jedu jaja za doručak, ali bjelanjke maknu i daju ih psima jer im smetaju. Ali još uvijek možete jesti žumanjke. Doručkuješ i onda možda kasnije popodne oko 14:00 ili 15:00 pojedeš veliki tanjur super-bogate juhe po Chuinom receptu. Možeš to sve obraditi mikserom tako da dobiješ nešto kao kremastu juhu, a onda masnu bombu pojedeš kao desert i ne jedeš ništa više poslije 15:00. I ako ništa ne jedeš do 9:00 idućeg dana, ti si na naizmjeničnom postu i to je bezbolno jer nisi gladan, a veliki dio tvojeg vremena kad ne jedeš prespavaš. (Nienna) Evo što ja radim. Ne mogu još jesti svinjetinu, i alergična sam na jaja, pa ne bih baš probala sa žumanjcima. Mogu jesti govedinu i goveđu mast, i to je ono što ja radim. Jedem govedinu i goveđu mast. Jedem oko 8:00 ili 8:30, odem i dođem oko 16:00 i jedem slične stvari, i onda ne jedem do idućeg jutra. I ne trebam masnu bombu jer jedem salo s mesom. To općenito zvuči grozno, ali sam se naviknula na to. I osjećam se sito. Jedina stvar koju trenutno mogu jesti je govedina jer sve drugo utječe na moje sinuse. (L) Pa ako se osjećaš dobro kad tako jedeš, to je onda ono čega se trebaš držati. Kao što sam ja voljela kokosovo mlijeko, ali sam otkrila da ono nije dobro za mene. Mogu reći da utječe loše na mene jer počnem izlučivati puno sluzi. Kašljem, kašljem i kašljem tada. Usput, jeste li probali tu Gotu Kolu? (Nienna) Imam vrlo lošu reakciju na nju. (Nienna) Uzela sam ju samo jednom, ali su stvari krenule jako loše poslije toga. Nadražila mi sinuse. To je bilo upravo prije nego što sam se razboljela. (L) U redu, iduće? (Perceval) Menna je zaspao! (L) Menna! Je li Menna tu? (Menna) Ne moraš biti član da bi pitao nešto? (Menna) U redu, dakle, prije 5 godina sam uveden u Rad. Prakticirao sam tri ili četiri stvari, npr. sakupljanje ispravnog znanja, Eiriu Eolas-om sam ostvario čišćenje negativnih emocija; dijeta i promjena stila života, ostavljanje alkohola i droge, sve je to pomoglo. Moje pitanje je u osnovi: postoji li neki drugi aspekt Rada kojeg bi mogao napraviti koji bi pomogao procesu ili učinio život efikasnijim? O: Pomaganje drugima naučiti i stati na stepenicu koja je iza vas. (Menna) U redu. Razumijem tu naznaku zbog Gurdjieffa, i da su učitelji iznad učenika na tim ljestvama, i da je važno da se znanje podijeli s drugima. A možda ako podijeliš znanje s drugima, ti dobiješ drugo znanje koje ti dođe kroz to pomaganje drugima. Dakle, mislim da razumijem ono na što su ciljali. (Perceval) Rekli su da moraš potražiti neke Padawane i pomogati im! Nađi Padawana (učenika, op. prev.). (L) Još nešto? (Echo Blue) Mogu li pitati osobno pitanje? (Echo Blue) Vjerojatno znam odgovor na njega, ali se pitam što učiniti u vezi toga. Ukratko, kad se udavala moja kćer, imao sam kalcifikaciju lijevog ramena. Poslije nekog vremena me prestalo boljeti. Sad je moja kćer trudna, a ja sada imam to isto u desnom ramenu. Čitao sam o povezanosti tijela i uma, ali što mogu učiniti u vezi toga? Je li to povezano s mojom… O: Moraš joj dopustiti da nauči svoje vlastite lekcije i prestani nositi ju na svojim ramenima. (Echo Blue) Radim na tome… O: Ona je tvoja kćer samo u ovom životu… (Echo Blue) Hvala. Kad je bila stara oko 3 godine, sjedili smo na stijeni i gledali zalazak sunca, a ona mi je rekla: “Jesam li ja nekad bila tvoja djevojka?” I ja sam joj odgovorio: “Da, mislim da jesi!” Nikad o tome nismo više pričali. O: Mudro dijete. (Echo Blue) Jest. Hvala. (L) Još nešto? Što je s tobom, Falling Water? (Falling Water) Imam nešto potpuno druge tematike od ovoga o čemu smo diskutirali. Bio je članak na SOTT-u u vezi 3 astronauta koji su izjavili da je od 2001. godine bilo 26 asteroida koji su udarili u Zemlju i eksplodirali poput atomske bombe. Koliko je točnosti u tome? O: Blizu, ali je broj zapravo i veći. (L) U redu, dakle, prekidamo za danas. Laku noć, Gracie! Što ćete raditi sada? Hoćete li pjevati karaoke? Premise) Nešto ćemo prodiskutirati o svemu. Nemamo karaoke opremu. Mislim da ćemo morati nabaviti jednu. (Menna) I Laura, hvala na preporuci za knjigu [When the Body Says No]. Pomogla mi je. (L) Oh, kažem vam! Ta knjiga je bila tortura za mene. Imam reumatski artritis i imala sam sve te ženske probleme, i moja djeca imaju autoimune probleme… Vidjela sam sebe, vidjela sam sve oko mene, vidjela sam sve koje poznajem, i rekla: “Oh moj bože! Svi smo SJEB…NI!!!” [smijeh] Morat ćemo pročitati tu knjigu i preboljeti je! U redu, dakle, zabavljajte se. Bilo je ugodno vidjeti vas sve i svi izgledate jako dobro. U redu, laku noć! KRAJ SESIJE Original sesije na engleskom jeziku možete naći ovdje. Related Articles: Posted in Kasiopejske sesije