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This is the session that introduces the topic of mind-programming, discusses the Greenbaum-type programming so after a slow start on personal topics, it gets quite interesting. I'll give a lot more details about it in the print version which is in preparation. October 5, 1996 Frank, Laura, Terry, TomM, Marcie, V Q: (L) Hello A: Hello Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening? A: Kournia. Q: (L) And where are you from? A: Cassiopaea. Q: (L) Does anybody want to start with some questions? Do we have an open forum tonight, seeing as there are no questions? A: You always have an open forum. Q: (L) Well, seeing as how we have no specific questions, I will ask this question. I was talking with Roger Santilli, and he has expressed his opinion that the potential opportunities for doing research in the United States are extremely limited. I would like to know if that's necessarily... A: Wrong! Q: (L) Good! I’m glad it’s wrong! If it is wrong, can you tell us precisely in what way it is wrong, and how we can look at it to gain a better perspective. A: There are no limits, just controls... The knowledge gives one all the necessary tools to overcome the controls. Do not attempt to formulate words as you write, my dear. Just “Go with the flow” Q: (L) Well, I’m feeling pretty darn warm, the energy is higher than I’ve seen it in a long time... (T) Energetic little being, isn’t he?! (V) I’m having a hard time keeping up... (L) I know, it’s fast. Just hang in there, sweetie. (T) That’s what we’re trying to do! (L) Why are we having... A: No meta. The. Q: (L) No ‘meta’, ‘the controls.’ (V) Oh, I see, I had it wrong... Thanks. (L) We’ve got some real good energy here. I’d like to ask ... A: I see you, you see me. Q: (V) What does that mean? A: What it says. Q: (L) The energy is really good. I like it. OK, guys, we like the energy tonight. Tell us why we have such good energy tonight. A: Tom. Q: (L) And what is there about Tom? A: Not often here. Q: (L) Anything else about it? All right, Marcie took a particular type of Reiki initiation or attunement today, and I’d like to know, what was the... she had an event occur during the attunements. I would like to know what this event was. What this condition was that she experienced. A: She should be careful not to “spread her self too thin.” Q: (L) And what does that mean? A: One does not need to cram learning, “steady as she goes.” Q: (V) They’re punctually correct, aren’t they? (L) Yes, they are! So, is that in a sense a caution? {V was referring to punctuation, not punctuality.} A: Yes. Q: (L) Can you describe what it was that was taking place with her? Or define it? A: Soul bilocation. Q: (L) So, it was not exactly a state, as the Sufis describe? A: No. Q: (L) And where did she bi-locate to? A: Not easily explainable. Q: (L) Was it to another density or dimension? Or parallel universe or spiritual domain? (T) Norfolk Naval Station? [Laughter] Destination of bilocation! (L) Was this a beneficial event for her? A: No. She has been ripping open the fabric too much. Q: (V) Do you know what that means? (TM) The fabric of this dimension? (L) Is T correct? The fabric of this dimension? A: Close. Each soul has its own patterning, which is held in place by the three bodies of existence [planchette swirls a few times] ... “thought center, spirit center and physical center,” there are specific methodologies for adjusting these, and travelling into or out of other planes of existence. When one does not properly utilize these, one tears the fabric of their trilateral continuum when they seek to travel. This can be very problematic, and may lead to the soul being unable to reconnect with the body, thus causing the physical center to perish!!! Q: (L) The man who was giving the attunements, was he aware of what was happening, or what he was doing? A: Aware only of unusual sensates. Q: (L) He did this? You let him touch you? (M) Yes. (L) Oh, Jesus! (M) Sensations, that’s what he said. He was aware of it, he just didn’t know what it was. (T) He felt it, but he had no idea what was going on. (M) He just felt that it was something to do with the attunement. I guess, I mean, I don’t know! (L) Did it have anything to do with the attunement? A: No. It had to do with previous experiments. Q: (L) Why did she see like a past life review? A: You described it well. Q: (L) In other words, when I said that when she separated from her body, she was able to access the past life review, just as if you were in the process of dying. (M) Well, experiments by who? (L) You! A: You. Q: (L) So, what was, what happened with this interaction that caused this to trigger right there and then? At that moment? What was the trigger? A: Spirit center stimulus. Q: (L) And what was the stimulus? Was this stimulus... A: The “initiation.” Q: (L) The initiation stimulated the spirit center. (M) So, what would they have me do? (L) Well, they aren’t going to tell you that! (L) You have to make your own mind... (M) What’s the proper way to go through these.. If I’m tearing my fabric, how do I not tear my fabric? (L) Slow down? A: By ceasing until it is properly healed. Q: (L) You’ve got to be healed. (M) Healed of what? (T) Healed at the rips and tears? (L) Well, maybe more than that... A: Yes. Q: (L) All right, healed at the rips and tears. Approximately how long would that take? (T) Until it’s done! (L) Oh, stop it! A: Open. Q: (M) Can that beam, can that portal take care of it... (V) Can you suggest how the rips might be healed? Is there... (L) Wait a minute, wait a minute... (V) Sorry! A: It is a natural process. Q: (L) Marcie wants to know, can the portal that she has in her house take care of helping to heal this... A: No. Q: (T) The portal you have in your house? (M) I’ve got it in my aura, we’ve seen it on film. (L) Maybe that’s part of the tear?(M) I don’t know... (TM) Look at the location of it... (M) It sure is huge, and it sure is... A: No. Q: (L) No, it’s not part of the tear. (T) Does everybody’s house have a portal in it? A: No. Q: (L) She’s got it in the photographs. Amazing. You haven’t seen these photographs. These photographs will knock you out of the water. (T) I’m still waiting to see the photograph of the board. (L) I sent it to Ark. (T) Awwww, I’m never going to see the photograph of the board!!! (L) No, no, no! Cherie has a copy of it. She’s going to make us an enlargement. (M) So, what am I supposed to do with this, can the portal assist in any way, this thing in the aura, will it do me any good, I mean, what’s it for, anyway?... A: It can assist you in becoming possessed. Q: (M) Well, that’s just wonderful!!! How did it get there? (TM) Somebody did something bad there? (M) The top of my head? (TM) Now, wait a minute, it’s in your aura? (M) Yes, it’s on the top of my head, it comes right down. (TM) Ohhh! A: No it is not a part of you. Q: (M) OK, so it just kind of likes to hang out in my aura! Loves photographing my aura. It loves to be there, we don’t know what it is. (T) Maybe it jumps in your aura because it’s photogenic! (V) Can it be resolved with spirit release? Any personal advice for her at this point? A: Consolidate classes into three way study groupings. Q: (L) What is a three way study group? A: Combined study of three subjects. Q: (L) All right, combine the study of three subjects, instead of studying them separately. So, what subjects are you teaching? (M) I teach healing, I teach the rays of initiation, and I teach auras. (L) Well I guess they are saying to teach all three of them together! Have them all assemble at the same time, instead of separately. (M) The only one I don’t do, that’s really combined, I teach about healing and auras, but the other one, the one about rays of initiations, that is a separate class. It doesn’t fit in! (L) Well, see if you can work a way to do it, like, an hour on this subject, and then we’ll go on to this subject. Like a two-class school. And now we go to this, and do it all in one fell swoop, and that way, you’ve got about two hours. All right, anything else for her? (T) How about asking where this portal came from? (L) Yes, what was the generative source? The one in her house. A: More than one. Q: (L) OK, there’s more than one generative source. So, it’s a combination of factors. Is it part of the historical site? The space-time location? A: Yes. Q: (L) Is it part of the metaphysical activities taking part in the house itself? A: Yes. Q: (L) Is it part M herself? And her own mental states? A: Other occupants. More than her. Q: (M) Do they mean live ones or dead ones? A: Both. Q: (M) That’s what I thought. (V) How can it be removed? (L) What would be the best technique for her stopping activity and allowing herself to heal, and getting herself on track so that she doesn’t get any real... Jesus, can you imagine, if this kind of happened again, and you just checked out ? And couldn’t get back? A: Changes in lifestyle. Q: (L) Changes in lifestyle... and what specifically, can you list the several... A: No. Q: (M) Oh, man! (L) You’ve got to know this yourself! You know them yourself!!! (M) Can you ask them... (L) Just think about this, dear. (TM) The more you deny it, the worse it gets. A: We would like to have the opportunity to discuss other issues at this session besides personal issues, as this drains the channel energy. But, we will accept limited questions from those in particular need. Q: (L) I want to finish for her. Can I ask just one short, maybe a couple added to it; quick ones for Marcie? A: One, please. Q: (L) The question I have is, she is in a situation where she is somewhat obfuscated in her directions. It seems that many sorts of sources seek to... A: Obfuscation is illusion. Q: (L) I know, but what I’m trying to get at for my question is yes, she’s got all these illusions that she gets thrown at her. But, it seems to me that a person who gets this much attack... A: Finances would take care of themselves, miracle. Q: (TM) I have a question. What is happening in my car...(L) No! (TM) It is just a yes or no question! (L) Well, ok. (TM) Have I been abducted in my car, like Laura suggested? A: Maybe. Q: (TM) Thank you, that’s all I wanted to know. (L) Well you should have asked it in a different way! I thought you were going to ask a mechanical question! [Laughter] It’s been done! I did it!!!! Remember, we asked about LM’s truck, and he wanted to argue about it, and the next day, found out it was absolutely correct! He argued with them!!! They diagnosed the problem with his truck, and he argued with them; ‘Well they don’t know anything about mechanics!’ He stomped around and everything. The next day, the guy from across the street comes over and looks at it and says exactly the same thing they did! That’s all it needed, just a little rubber thing stuck over a hole. [Laughter] Did he believe? It didn’t matter to him! OK, I do have one question here. I talked to Chloe the other day, and I told her what we got the other night, about {her recently deceased husband} being sleeping, and she wanted to say that she just couldn’t accept that, because so many other people have had visitations and visions and dreams and so forth of him wandering around and doing all these good deeds in the other world. Comments, please. A: Not true. Q: (L) It’s not true. Then why are all these other people saying that they are seeing TomG or having experiences with him, either in dreams or visual, or whatever, and what are these people seeing and experiencing? A: In short, inflated opinions of ability manifest false reality. Q: (L) So, these various people who think they’re psychic have such inflated opinions of their own abilities that they are all calling her up and saying ‘I saw him, he spoke to me... he came to me in a dream...’ (M) Who is TomG? (L) My girlfriend’s husband just died. (V) Is he still sleeping? A: Emotions directing events. Q: (T) They are also just telling her what she wants to hear? A: Yes. Q: (L) So, I think I should just not say anything further about it. I was trying to say it in a more comforting way, but she, I guess, what is it... A: She is under emotional “cloud” Q: (L) OK, we have all given Marcie emotional support. We all love her, and we all see her as an important person who is being attacked from all sides. We are all here, at all times, to help you when you need it. So, therefore, you have advice, you have been promised a miracle, it may have something to do with a phone conversation I had the other day... (M) Yes, that was weird! (L) Now, carry on! (T) Was there something you wanted to speak on this evening? You said there were other issues that you wanted to talk about. A: Wait a minute... V, my dear, your retreat will be tremendously uplifting and positive!!! Lots of fun, too. Q: (V) Yahoo! Without getting personal, and going into explanations, was the experience that I had after I fell asleep last night past life remembrance? A: No. Q: (V) Can you tell me what it was without going into detail. A: Subconscious mind wandering. Q: (V) Jesus! (L) Well, in her subconscious mind wanderings, was she picking up something in the atmosphere; some thought, or some fear? (V) I can’t believe that that would come from me! A: No. Cycling. Q: (L) Can you give her anything more on this? She was very distressed about it... You can pick it up out of my mind if you want. Her mind, whoever’s mind. A: No. Q: (L) Is it anything to be concerned about as a prophetic thing? A: No. Why would you say prophecy? Q: (L) Well, she was concerned that it was something that could happen... (V) No, I wasn’t concerned in that way... I’m concerned, I’m disgusted by it, and I would be much easier for me to handle if it was some kind of past life memory than if it were something that comes from my psyche. Because it disgusts me. A: Disgust manifested in dream state wanderings always result from repressed situations. Q: (L) Ohhh, I see! Was that something that was in the air and was... (V) Repressed as in my relationship with the person. A: Maybe. Q: (L) Do you want to drop that? {Energy burst from the board} A couple of weeks ago you gave us a warning about Ark travelling on his over the road trips and possible alien monitoring. Is his intention to be fully aware and conscious and not travel at night going to help with this particular situation? This warning? A: Maybe. Q: (L) He is now of the opinion that his awareness of the state of the other person {his ex} as being possibly desirous of undermining his position at the University, that his awareness will forestall or circumvent this. How high a percentage is there of this happening, even with his awareness? Awareness is not balanced yet. Q: (L) So, his awareness is not complete yet. He is not fully aware of how deep and dark and dooey these aliens can be when they start working through people? Is that it? A: Goin’ thru the motions, babe. Q: (L) What? ‘Goin thru the motions, babe?’ What does that mean? Does that mean anything to anybody? A: What Ark is doing, but, it is the first step to learning. Q: (L) What does this mean? I don’t quite get it. I’m being dense here. (T) We told him that this is happening, so yes, he’s going thru the motions for you, that he’s understanding this... (M) He’s got to go through it completely before he understands... (T) ... but it’s got to really happen for it to... (L) Is that it? Is Terry on to it here, that it’s got to really happen... A: Close. Q: (V) Has he been hauled out, like Marcie and I’ve been hauled out? (L) Who the hell knows? A: No. Not completely. Q: (V) Marcie and I are just the lucky ones! (T) Such luck! (V) Yeah, right! That was laced with sarcasm!! I do hope you heard that! (T) No, I didn’t catch that at all, haha! (L) In terms of this interaction with Roger Santilli, is there anything that would be fruitful to follow in terms of trying to assist him in his work, and in his... A: Let events unfold. Q: (L) It sounds like something is going to unfold. (T) Just let him do what he’s going to do. (L) I was talking about our involvement... (T) There’s nothing we have to do ... (L) Well, ok, right.... A: So were we. Q: (V) What? What does that mean? (L) Ok, they also were talking about our involvement with him... (V) This is like taking notes in classes, you know! This is like practice! This will get me ready for the University! (T) Do we have to spell it out for you? {Extended laughter!} (V) My little finger flies sometimes, Terry, I want to tell you! A: Mind programming. Q: (L) What about mind programming? (T) Is that like Fox and NBC? You know, ‘Must See TV’! (V) This is mirth, guys! (L) Mind programming... (T) OK, what about mind programming? (V) In reference to what? A: We thought we would just throw that onto the table. Q: (L) Well, you certainly did! I guess that’s what they want us to talk about! (T) Mind programming! As in programming of one’s mind. A: TomM received some most recently. Q: (L) And who did he receive the mind programming from? A: Cultists. Q: (T) What form did it take? A: Negative. Q: (V to TM) Are you aware of this? (T) Not negative or positive, but what form was it presented to him as? A: Hypnotic. Q: (T) Was he awake or asleep at the time? A: Both. Q: (T) No, no. Before the hypnotics, was he awake? A: Yes. Q: (L) Was this a pre-hypnotic trigger? A: No. Q: (L) Was it hypnosis at a distance? A: No. Q: (T) How was it conveyed to him? A: Lights, fires, chants. Q: (V) Were you aware of this? (L) How long has it been since you’ve hung out with that metaphysical church coven} bunch? (TM) I haven’t seen any of them since way back when. (L) Way back when, what is that, a couple of years? (TM) Yes (L) Well, then that’s still recently... (T) Lights, what and chants? (V) (reading) ‘lights, fires and chants.’ (T) OK, thanks. A: Yes. Q: (T) Was he with them...? (L) Oh, yes, he was... A: Yes. Q: (L) This is what we were... (T) I just wanted to make sure that this was not a long-distance thing... that they did it from a distance and... (TM) Yes, that they still didn’t have their hooks into me. (L) Good question, is this programming still active? A: Close, though. Q: (L) Close, though to what? A: Almost. Q: (T) ... that this wasn’t done from a distance, that he wasn’t with them physically, like this, that he was somewhere nearby when they did this... (L) Oh, he was close... (T) He was close to them? (L) Right. (T) But he wasn’t... A: No. Q: (T) OK, then, they weren’t responding to what I was saying. (L) So they were doing lights, fires and chants, and he was not there? A: Response was to “Hooks” Q: (L) Are some of the choices he’s been making in his life in the last two years the results of this programming? A: Maybe. Q: (L) I suppose we better let him read the Greenbaum paper; everybody here has read them, right? (M) That’s where all the accidents are coming from...? (T to TM) You haven’t read the Greenbaum papers yet? (TM) I don’t think so! (T) Welllllll..... (V) It’s very enlightening, I’ll have you know! (T) There’s a person who’s thrilled about this one!!! (To Laura) Print them out and give them to him. (TM) I want to know; did I get married as a result of this programming? A: Yes. Q: (L) Did I get married as a result of some similar programming? A: No. Q: (L) Did M? A: Yes. Q: (V) Did I? A: No. Q: (T) Did Terry? A: No. Q: (T) Did Frank? A: No. Q: (L) Frank never got married! (T) Well, I was just making sure that everybody felt like they were in on all this! (M) This Greenbaum program, was it due to my father? A: Yes. Q: (M) Thought so! (L) Remember, TomM’s father was military, too! (M) Twenty years! {Referring to her father, a Navy SEAL} (T) While I’m tossing it... (TM) Was it done to my father? A: You were “Greenbaumed.” {Directed at Marcie. This turned out to be all too frighteningly true. See the chapter of The Wave entitled “Alligator Alley.” That’s the story.} Q: (T) Was Jan’s friend Margaret Greenbaumed? A: Yes. Q: (T) She’s got all the signs... (L) Was TM Greenbaumed? A: No. Q: (V) What about Violette? A: No. Q: (L) What about Frank? A: No. Q: (L) Laura? A: No Q: (L) Terry? A: No Q: (T) Jan? A: No Q: (M) So, I’m the only one here that’s been Greenbaumed? A: (TM) So, you got mental programming, but it wasn’t Greenbaum? (L) I didn’t know that I had mental programming... (TM) They said maybe... A: Laura had more advanced work done on her. Q: (V) That opens up a whole new can of worms. (L) And what do you mean by that? A: Not now. Q: (T) Maybe they want to go on with... (L) No, they’ve told me before; they’re not going to tell me. (M) Were you Greenbaumed? Who did this work, can I have that? Can I know that? A: Consortium. Q: (L) Is there any possibility, to some extent, that I have overcome this influence at the present time? A: No. Was partial, then aborted, leaving fragments of trigger response programs that have been in remission. Q: (L) Why was it aborted? A: Because STO forces intervened. Q: (L) And when was this? A: Mid “fifties.” Q: (L) So it was when I was three or four years old. (T) I think we should go back to what we were talking about with TM, because they brought it up. (TM) Am I still receiving instructions from the programming? Am I still receiving programming from them? A: Buried for future triggers. Q: (L) Is there anything he can do to deactivate this programming? A: Would take powerful hypnotic work. Beware of stresses of a most personal nature. Q: (L) Do you mean sexual actions, activities might be triggers or connected to this? A: Partly. Q: (T) Work related. All different kinds. Anything could trigger it... (L) They said personal, most personal, though... (T) Well, yes, (V) Wouldn’t it seem like family... (T) Work and jobs are very personal... (L) No. Most personal is physical, you know, emotional... (TM) Family... (T) Your job is financial, financial security. (L) Well, that’s right. (V) Is your family going to cause you stress? (TM) Stress, and I have not been able to hold down a job since then. (V) Do you live with your family? (TM) Not any more! (L) Any further clues for him? (T) What was it that they... what was given to TM? What was he told to do, or what was the mind control about? (L) What were the instructions? A: Discover. Q: (T) Is this something TM will be able to discover? Does he have enough information to work on? A: Not by himself. Q: (L) Is his wife and the baby part of the hook? A: Yes. Q: (TM) Is the hook attached to the physical, emotionally, spiritual, or all? A: All. Q: (TM) Is there a physical location where it’s attached in all three, in the same place? A: You were particularly vulnerable at the time remember, this particular group has an uncanny ability to get to those who have parental influences with a troubled past. {Phone call interrupted end of transmission, call was from TM's wife, Andrea.} Q: (L) Is she Greenbaumed? A: Yes. Q: (TM) Where did she receive Greenbaum programming? (L) Don’t even ask that until you’ve read the Greenbaum papers. (TM) Never mind, disregard. (L) You can get all of that just by reading them. (V) Was she just coerced to make this phone call? (L) She was triggered to. (TM) Oh, I know, her father was in the Navy... (L) Why are we not surprised!!! A: Yes. And V’s too, but fortunately in too low level a capacity. Q: (L) Does the Greenbaum influence, or interaction last indefinitely throughout a person’s life, if something isn’t done to terminate or halt it? A: Yes. Q: (L) Mind programming... Where are we going to go with this, guys? (L) Oh, ok, go. What were the programs? The main programs? A: Must not say. Q: (L) Marcie wants to know how extensive the Greenbauming was in her case. Was it extensive? A: Yes and your husband, too! Q: (M) That’s just wonderful! More pleasant things this evening! (V) I’ve been sitting in your position, where I’ve gotten a bunch of bad news one night, and I know how you feel! (F) It’s not really bad news, though, because it’s good to know... (V) It protects you to have the knowledge. But, it’s tough to hear. (TM) Well, the next time you’re doing something, and you don’t know why you’re doing it, it seems completely stupid, there’s a thought... (L) Ask yourself every time, why am I doing what I’m doing? Is it really me doing it, or am I being... (M) Is there anything to cure it? Can anything be done? Now we know with him, it’s hypnosis. (T) It is for everybody, I’m afraid. (L) I’m afraid, yes. Reread the Greenbaum speech. A: Awareness is step number one. Q: (TM) Will this Greenbauming be passed on to my son? A: No. Q: (T) It’s a process; it’s not hereditary. (L) I’m going to ask this. Don’t get crazy when I ask it. Is this his son? A: No. Q: (TM) I’m not sure I understand, now. (L) And, since you, I mean, I had a sense of that ummm... is this an alien manipulated pregnancy? A: No. Q: (L) What is the scoop here in terms of that answer. A: No scoop. Q: (TM) Did she sleep with another man? A: When? Q: (TM) Around the time she became pregnant? A: No. Q: (TM) How about before we got married? A: Yes. Q: (V) I’m not understanding for a second here... (L) If it’s not his son, then who’s son is it? (V) And, if she wasn’t sleeping with someone else around the time she got pregnant, then... A: Not what we meant. Q: (L) What did you mean? A: Son not a programming trigger. Q: (L) ...but when you said it was not his son... A: Son not trigger. Q: (L) That’s what you meant, so you didn’t... his son was not a programming trigger. (V) So that’s his flesh and blood son... (M) Oh that, it is a son. (TM) OK, so it’s my flesh and blood son, but not a programming trigger. A: Right. Q: (T) Andrea (TM's wife) is the trigger; one of them. (L) Well, TM finds himself, we all, I mean, jeez! What do we do about these difficult situations that we plant ourselves in the middle of, due to programming? Then we have to extricate ourselves, at great cost and pain? Having done it already myself, I know how much pain... A: No need to extricate, if necessary work is done, in some cases. Q: (L) If two people who are married to each other are Greenbaumed, is it possible that they could be programmed to kill each other? A: Maybe, but not always. Q: (TM) Or any two people who have had the programming? A: The programming is mainly intended to produce erratic behavior, for the purpose of “spooking” the population so that they will welcome, and even demand, a totalitarian government. Q: (L) So, the programming is designed to, in other words, when the people are just being erratic... A: Think of the persons who have inexplicably entered various public and private domains, and shot large numbers of people... Now, you have “met” some of these Greenbaum subjects... Q: (L) Let me say this. If this is what we’re saying, well, what I’m saying is, that ... Is this Greenbaum programming something that goes along the line of what I’ve just described a part; a part, I don’t think that’s all of it... A: In part. Q: (L) Is there also the implanted triggers to activate at a certain point in future time, to create a mass chaos, in the public domain? A: Better to discover that one on your own. Q: (L) Ok, that’s another one that’s dangerous to know right now... (V) Was the person I met last week, {Name redacted}, was he Greenbaumed? Has he been Greenbaumed. (L) He was bizarre, wasn’t he? A: Now, some history... as you know, the CIA and NSA and other agencies are the children of Nazi Gestapo... the SS, which was experiment influenced by Antareans who were practicing for the eventual reintroduction of the Nephalim on to 3rd and or 4th density earth. And the contact with the “Antareans” was initiated by the Thule Society, which groomed its dupe subject, Adolph Hitler to be the all time mind programmed figurehead. Now, in modern times, you have seen, but so far, on a lesser scale: Oswald, Ruby, Demorenschildt, Sirhan Sirhan, James Earl Ray, Arthur Bremer, Farakahan, Menendez, Bundy, Ramirez, Dahmer, etc... Q: (L) Is there any particular individual who is currently being programmed to take a more prominent position in terms of this... A: Later... you must know that Oswald was programmed to be the “patsy.” So that he would say many contradictory things. Demorenschildt was both a programmer and programmed. Ruby was hypnotically programmed to shoot Oswald with an audio prompt, that being the sound of a car horn. Q: (L) The question has been brought up, is there some way or means that one can distinguish or discern a victim of Greenbaum or other mind programming by some clues? A: Not until it is too late. Q: (L) Was SV Greenbaumed? A: Yes. Q: (T) Yes, well, we kind of figured that already... (L) Yes, but I was just checking here... (T) Is JW Greenbaumed? A: Yes. Q: (T) And he carries guns around! Although, I’m not sure he knows how to get the cartridges in! (L) What about MF? A: No. Q: (L) SH? A: No. Q: (L) Anybody else got any likely suspects? A: Now you have touched on a whole other subject, my friend. At least his wife is blissfully ignorant. Q: (L) What have we stumbled upon with EB? Is he a programmer? A: Discover. Q: (T) I think I’d prefer not to! (L) Is there anything further you’d like to add to this subject for our edification before we shut down for the night? (V) I’d like to know if any Presidents have been Greenbaumed? (L) Well, we know some probably have! A: Yes. Q: (T) How many have we had now? Clinton is number what President? A: Remember, the “Greenbaum method” is one of many in existence. Q: (L) OK, further... (T) What did it say? (V) You’ve got people getting hauled out and abducted, I mean... (L) All kinds of stuff going on. (M) Is (Name redacted) set to go off soon? (L) No, they told you, awareness is the first step in undoing it! Focus on that! You’re aware! How many people are? A: It is a veritable potpourri. Q: (L) Any further for tonight? A: There’s much much much more to discuss about all of this, but if you wish to stop now, that is your choice, and we will continue later. But, it would be helpful if you begin that session on subjects not of a personal nature! Q: (L) Can we plan to pick up on this subject next week? A: Yes. Q: (L) Would to be better if all of those present now, be present for the continuation? A: Sure! Q: (L) Well then, unless there is something else of significant importance to say before we shut down for the night... A: Tom’s wife will object strenuously. Q: (L) Anything else? A: Resist. Q: (L) Anything else? For anyone else? I’m ready to say goodbye. A: Goodbye. End of Session
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Laura (L), Ark i Andromeda za pločom Prisutni: Pierre, Perceval, Tomek, PoB, Kniall, Chu, Atriedes, Data, No-man’s-land, Parallel, Mr. Scott, Alana, Timotheos Pitanje (P): (L) Danas je 12. srpanj 2014. godine. Cezarov je rođendan, ili blizu tome. Hoću reći, kako se dovraga to može znati uz sve te promjene kalendara. [Pregled prisutnih] Zasučimo rukave! … Ovdje smo. Gdje ste vi? Odgovor (O): Tu smo! P: (L) I koga imamo s nama večeras? O: Juinius L R ovdje Kasiopeja! P: (L) Mr. Scott, možeš li nam donijeti pudera? Dosta se vuče… Mislim da nitko ne stišće prejako. [Puder nađen, primijenjen na ploču] Idemo ispočetka. Da vidimo da li ovo bolje funkcionira. O: Odlično! P: (L) Primjećujem vaše udaranje na stranu večeras. OK, neka mi netko donese onaj komad papira koji je kod printera. OK, imamo neka pitanja koja je netko na forumu postavio. Kaže: “Wal Thornhill je predložio da su Zemlja, Mars i Venera bili mjeseci Saturna dok je on bio Crveni patuljak, prije nego što ga je zarobio Sol (naše Sunce), te da su se nalazili unutar njegove kromosfere. Kada ga je Sol zarobio, Saturn je izgubio svoju kromosferu i tri velika mjeseca su bila ometena električnom interakcijom, te su na kraju završila “izbačena” u orbite oko Sola umjesto Saturna. Je li Saturn bio bivši Crveni patuljak?” O: Ne, on je nastao srastanjem. Možda će postati jednog dana, ali toliko daleko u budućnosti da nije bitno. P: (L) OK, pa, ako Saturn nije bivši Crveni patuljak, onda Zemlja vjerojatno nije bila mjesec u Saturnovoj kromosferi. Dakle, dozvolite mi samo da postavim sljedeće pitanje ovdje: “Je li Zemlja bila mjesec u Saturnovoj kromosferi?” O: Ne. P: (L) “Da li su postojale civilizacije tijekom tog razdoblja?” O: Nebitno. P: (L) “Da li su ožiljci na površini Marsa posljedica ulaska Saturna u Sunčev sustav?“ O: Ne, kako je već opisano, Mars je bio u interakciji s Venerom, novo-pridošlicom. P: (L) Pa, onda je i to riješeno. Izgleda da ti momci i njihov električni svemir imaju mali problem, zanima me koji je njihov glavni problem? O: Previše elektriciteta, a nedovoljno astronomije. P: (L) Dakle, govorite da su su oni na neki način otišli putem razrađivanja svoje električne teorije, a nisu u obzir uzeli… Hoću reći, ne razumijem. O: Postoji nešto točnosti za određene astronomske modele. P: (Pierre) Pobornici električnog svemira su odbacili s lošim i ono dobro, odbacili su SVE astronomske teorije, a neke od njih su točne. O: Srastanje se događa oko većine zvijezda. P: (L) Dakle, vi pričate o teoriji formacije planeta putem akrecije/srastanja? O: Da. Ali druga tijela mogu stići cijela. Plus, Thornhill i kolege zanemaruju zvijezdu pratitelja. P: (L) Želi li još netko nešto pitati u vezi ovoga prije nego promijenimo temu? Svi ovdje čekaju promjenu teme… U redu, prolazila sam kroz sve ranije sesije i primijetila da sam bila posebno opsjednuta, u najmanju ruku, temom Isusa tijekom prve godine, 1994, zbog mojeg religioznog odgoja i porijekla i tako dalje. Puno energije sam uložila – ne samo puno energije, nego i puno emocija – dakle, ponovo čitam prethodne odgovore koje smo dobili vezano za temu Isusa i željela bih pitati je li, zapravo, Julije Cezar Isus, ili je poslužio kao model za Isusa, zašto ste mi davali odgovore koji su se nekad mogli odnositi na Cezara, a nekad nisu? O: Ne bi ih bila u stanju primiti. Kada postaviš pitanje sa snažnom predrasudom, ne možemo prekršiti tvoju volju vjerovanja. P: (L) Mislim da smo pitali vezano za Cezara… Nismo li također pitali je li u Palestini bio netko tko je… (Perceval) Je li uopće postojala stvarna osoba koja je imala neku ulogu u stvaranju priče o Isusu. (L) I što su oni tada odgovorili? (Perceval) Bio je netko. (Pierre) Nepoznata osoba. (L) Dakle, je li tamo bio netko, jer jednom prilikom sam pitala kako je Isus izgledao, i vi ste dali opis koji je očito… I mislim da sam to naslovila „Isus Nazarećanin“ ili „Isus u Palestini“… Hoću reći, u to vrijeme sam stavila sve vrste kvalifikacija oko mojih pitanja. (Perceval) I odgovor koji si dobila je bio… (L) Da, ono što sam dobila je bilo SUSV: smeće unutra, smeće van. Mislim, što očekuješ? Ali je li taj opis bio… (smijeh) Ne znam zašto uopće moram pitati! Je li ta osoba na neki način vezana za priču, ta koja je opisana kao stolar? O: Lokalno poznati stoički filozof, sad već davno zaboravljen, osim malog doprinosa legendi o Isusu. P: (L) Dakle, osoba koja je duboko odana u vjerovanje o Isusu može postavljati pitanja o Isusu, taj čovjek koji je živio na tom području i radio štogod da je radio, i odgovori mogu doći u vezi te osobe, ali u globalu je Cezar bio pravi model? O: Da. P: (L) U redu. Drugo pitanje je: jednom ste pričali o Isusu koji je bio u stanju hiper-svijesti, ta stvar o replikaciji duše i ljudima koji pričaju s njim, i tako dalje, i tako dalje. Ima li to ikakve veze s Cezarom? O: Doista ima! P: (L) OK, dakle… Hmm. (Perceval) Mogu li ja nešto pitati? (Perceval) Je li je Cezar… Ono što sam želio pitati je: je li kvaliteta Cezarove duše bila takva kao što se Isusu pripisuje na određeni način, iako se radi o mitu? Je li on bio visoko razvijena duša iz višeg denziteta ili s više razine, ili više prirode? O: To bi trebalo biti jasno čak i iz jako nabijenih predrasudnih priča. P: (L) Idemo se kasnije vratiti na to. Nisam još spremna za to. Željela bih pitati jedno drugo pitanje. Kada sam postavila pitanje o Isusu ili nešto slično, bilo je nešto u vezi tri dana komatoznog stanja, 96 sati jasno kanalizirane meditacije, pojave, iznošenje proročanstava svojim sljedbenicima, i onda uzlazak na matični brod? ODAKLE je to došlo?? O: Uglavnom ti i Frank. P: (Andromeda) Da li se nešto slično dogodilo? (L) Želiš znati da li se nešto slično tome dogodilo s nekim, bilo kada? O: Ne. P: (L) Dakle, Frank je bio u NLO-ima, a ja sam bila prilično uvjerena kako se nešto nevjerojatno moralo dogoditi. Dakle, između nas dvoje i naših iznimno snažno investiranih vjerovanja, ne vidim kako se išta drugo moglo probiti. (Perceval) Ta priča o Isusu koji dolazi u pećinu, ili ga se stavilo u pećinu… To dolazi izravno iz tvojeg biblijskog… (L) Mojeg biblijskog treninga! A NLO, Frank je bio cijeli u NLO-ima! (smijeh) (Perceval) Meditacija u transu, bila si tada prilično u tome. (L) Dakle, događa se vezano uz mnoge transkripte, da je vjerojatno najbolja informacija kada nismo imali nikakvih uvjerenja ili pretpostavki o bilo čemu. Pitali smo samo iz čiste radoznalosti. O: Da. P: (L) OK, pa, pokušat ću ovdje izbjeći imati bilo kakva vjerovanja ili pretpostavke vezane uz Cezara. (smijeh) Scott) Nastojte ignorirati sve biste Cezara koje imamo po kući! (Pierre) A što je…? Scott) Obraćao sam se Kasiopejcima. (smijeh) (L) Htjela bih postaviti pitanja u vezi Cezarovog života. (Perceval) Je li Cezar postojao? Počnimo od dna! (smijeh) (L) Je li Cezar stvarno postojao? O: Da. P: (L) U redu! (smijeh) Je li Cezar postojao onako kako je opisan u povijesnim izvorima, poput Ciceronovog opisa, Seutonijevog i ostalih ljudi, povjesničara i tako dalje? O: Predrasudni i nesposobni prepoznati nekoga njegovog kalibra. P: (L) Pa to je odgovor kakav bi se očekivao od mene! Hoću reći… (Atriedes) Kalibar, ha? (L) OK, pa, dajte mi… OK, sada… Cezar osobno je navodno napisao Galske ratove. Proučavanje tekstova sugerira kako je bilo NEKIH modifikacija, ali ne previše. Vrlo je teško pisati Cezarovim stilom. Govori se da je Cezarov stil najbesprijekornije i najveličanstvenije pisanje koje je ikada nastalo na latinskom jeziku. (Perceval) Mogu li pitati nepristrano pitanje? (smijeh) (Perceval) Je li Cezar napisao Galske ratove? O: Da. (Perceval) U redu. Pa, moramo prvo proći kroz te osnovne stvari! P: (L) Dakle, kako sam govorila, napisao je Galske ratove. U Galskim ratovima, radi se zbilja o zagonetki, jer možete vidjeti taj nevjerojatan, blistav duh s jedne strane, a onda čitate o tim nevjerojatnim barbarskim djelima s druge strane. No stvar je u tome da, jedina svjedočanstva o galskim ratovima za koje znamo su ona koja je Cezar “napisao”. Dakle, da pitam… (Pierre) Je li pretjerivao s brojem žrtava kako bi impresionirao ljude u Rimu? O: Ne samo to! Drugi su to dodavali kako bi povećali faktor užasa. Primijetite kako je njegov najbliži prijatelj bio Gal iz Španjolske. Također primijetite nevjerojatnu počast koju je stoljećima imao u Galiji nakon svoje smrti. Također primijetite činjenicu da je legenda o velikoj duši sišla na Zemlju! P: (L) Što je bilo u zadnjoj rečenici? [Pregled odgovora i nejasne zadnje rečenice] Je li zadnja rečenica bila nepotpuna? O: Da… formirala se oko njega u danima njegove smrti!! P: (Atriedes) Imam pitanje. Je li Cezar također inspiracija za legendu o kralju Arthuru? O: Da. P: (Atriedes) I je li njegovo izvlačenje mača iz kamena referenca na njegov mač, Crocea Mors? (L) Njegov, što? (Atriedes) Je li mač u kamenu u priči referenca na Cezarov mač, Crocea Mors – Žuta smrt? Zato jer je napravljen od bronce… (L) To je bio Cezarov mač? (Atriedes) Da. (L) Tko to kaže? (Atriedes) Sjedili smo i zajedno to pročitali! Postoji Nenijeva legenda o njegovom maču koji se zaglavio u njegovom štitu. Žuta smrt mu je bila ime. O: Blizu. P: (L) Pa, rekla bi da je blizu, ali Nenije je nešto promijenio. (Atriedes) Pa, naravno da je nešto promijenio. (L) OK, hm… (Perceval) Je li Cezar ikada ikoga ubio? O: Mnoge, svakako. P: (Perceval) Dakle, ako se uzme u obzir da su to bila vrlo ratoborna vremena, s puno borbe i smrti općenito… i da je neka vrsta Velike duše tada sišla i… to nužno ne znači da je ta duša morala biti mirotvorac koja bi poput Isusa ljubila ljudima stopala… Ali postoji li nešto što bi mi razumjeli kao zabranu ubijanja drugih ljudi kao uvjet za “duhovnu razvijenost”? O: Ta ideja je uglavnom preuveličana ljudska filozofska konstrukcija. P: (L) Znači ideja da… (Perceval) Da bi bio dobar, ne smiješ ubijati… (Atriedes) Ali iz koje religije to dolazi? Iz najubojitije religije na planeti! (Perceval) Čini se da… Ubiti drugo ljudsko biće za normalno ljudsko biće se čini kao prilično traumatična stvar. (Atriedes) To je društveno usađeno. (Perceval) Sumnjam. Mislim, za vojnike, vraćaju se kući s posttraumatskim stresnim poremećajem, obučeni su da ubiju, a poslije se sami žele ubiti, razumijete? Oni ne mogu podnijeti činjenicu da… (Pierre) Možda je razlika u tome što je Cezar bio svjestan osnovnog razloga zašto je ubijao… O: Cezar je namjeravao eliminirati ili znatno smanjiti ubijanje. On je znao protiv čega je bio. P: (L) OK, na primjer… OK, dajte da pitam ovo: Postoji govor koji je navodno Cezarov, a koji je reproduciran u Salustovom… Rat sa Katilinom. Salust je reproducirao ovaj govor, koji je navodno Cezarov, na debatama o Katilininoj zavjeri. Sada, koliko je taj govor blizu onome što je Cezar tada rekao? P: (L) Jer u tom govoru, Cezar je u potpunosti čak protiv smrtne kazne. To je među zagonetkama s kojima se suočiš kada nešto poput toga čitaš, njegove riječi, mislim, on je riskirao svoj život držeći taj govor! Bio je okružen naoružanim ljudima, kojima je zapovijedao Ciceron, koji je bio odlučan smaknuti te ljude. A ipak, Cezar se suprotstavio cijelom neprijateljski nastrojenom senatu i zagovarao ukidanje smrtne kazne. Čak se komentira da su ljudi izvukli svoje mačeve i htjeli ga tada ubiti. I zapravo je to slično priči iz Biblije o Isusu, da su ljudi izvukli svoje mačeve i htjeli ga ubiti, ali pobjegao je bandi, nisu ga vidjeli kako odlazi. Pa, to je prilično čudna stvar. Dakle, za nekoga tko optuži Cezara da je krvožedni psihopat je kao, je vrlo teško. I onda navodno to brojanje tijela u Galiji, i ti užasno okrutni događaji, to jednostavno ne ide jedno s drugim. Tako da… u redu. U prethodnim sesijama spomenuli ste kada smo pitali o Isusu, i mislim da je najbliži trag – i to je samo moj pogled – na činjenicu da nismo pričali o Isusu Nazarećaninu kada ste rekli da su postojale tri Rimljanke koje su imale djecu s Isusom. Dakle, jesu li te tri Rimljanke zapravo imale djecu s Julijem Cezarom? O: Da. P: (L) I one su bile kao ljubavnice ili tako nešto? O: Da. P: (L) Jesu li one bile jedine tri? O: Ne, ali ostale nisu imale dugotrajne veze. Također shvatite da “Rimljanke” ne znači nužno “iz ili u Rimu” ili čak Italiji. Brojni Gali su bili “Rimljani”. P: (L) Dakle, tvrdite li da su te žene mogle biti galske Rimljanke? Možda radim pretpostavku… O: Da. P: (L) Da na moje pitanje, ili da na moju pretpostavku? [smijeh] O: Oboje. P: (Atriedes) Ja imam pitanje. Dva pitanja. Pa, imam ih više, zapravo. Ali želio sam pitati: Je li Katon zbilja počinio samoubojstvo na opisani način, ili je ta priča uglavnom nastala kako bi bio prikazan u ljepšem svjetlu, a on se jednostavno objesio? O: Katon je bio pojedinac s ozbiljnim poremećajem osobnosti koji je u potpunosti poludio, što znači da je bio sposoban unakaziti vlastito tijelo kako bi napakostio Cezaru. Uzmite u obzir priču o Judi Iškariotskom, vješajući samog sebe s crijevima koja su mu ispala kada mu je tijelo palo na zemlju; radi se o refleksiji i sjećanju na Katona i njegovom suprotstavljanju Cezaru. P: (Atriedes) U redu, dakle… Sljedeće pitanje: Ovo je od povijesne važnosti… Dakle, koliko ja znam postoje dvije glavne verzije o smrti Cicerona. Jedna je da je časno ponudio svoju glavu i dozvolio vojnicima koji su bili poslani da ga ubiju da mu odsjeku glavu. Druga je da ih je u principu pokušao potkupiti i da su bila potrebna tri udarca da mu se odsječe glava jer je vojnik bio toliko neuvježban. Želio bih da mi se razjasni, koja od ovih verzija je točna, ili je postojala još neka verzija. O: Ova druga verzija je najbliža onome što se dogodilo. Sve što možeš naučiti o Ciceronu iz njegovih vlastitih tekstova predlaže da on nije imao hrabru kost u svojem tijelu. P: (Atriedes) Jesu li Cezara stvarno oteli cilicijanski gusari? O: Ne. P: (Atriedes) Je li on onda zbilja razapeo neke gusare? O: Ne. P: (Pierre) Je li priča o cilicijanskim gusarima transformacija nečega što se zbilja dogodilo? O: Cezar je bio na drugoj vrsti avanture, znanstvene vrste. P: (Pierre) Možete li pojasniti ovo o “znanstvenoj vrsti” avanture? O: Kratka putovanja s njegovim učiteljem, Posejdonijem. P: (Atriedes) Da li je Cezar imao torbicu? (L) Je li imao što? Je li Cezar imao torbicu? (Atriedes) Ime ruže? Ma zaboravite… Imam pravo pitanje. Cezar je 18 godina pokušavao političkim sredstvima riješiti probleme Rima. U jednom trenutku je shvatio kako se to neće dogoditi i odlučio si je nabaviti vojsku. Imao je tada 42 godine ili tako nešto. (L) Pokušavao je 18 godina riješiti to na miroljubivi način. (Atriedes) Dakle, odjednom si je u glavu utuvio da će preuzeti vojsku, tijekom tog Brončanog doba, zar ne? Koje je doba bilo za Rim u to vrijeme? (Pierre) Nakon Brončanog doba. (Atriedes) Željezno doba. (L) Ne razumijem što govoriš. (Atriedes) Pa gdje je naučio kako voditi vojsku. Je li išao naći nekoga od koga bi naučio, ili je bio tako genijalan da je sam sve shvatio? O: Očito, u to doba, nije imao od koga naučiti. No, Cezar je imao dobrog uzora u nekim aspektima u svom stricu Mariusu, kojeg je volio i iznimno cijenio. Nemojte podcjenjivati nevjerojatnu Cezarovu inteligenciju i njegov uvid. P: (L) Dakle, on je jednostavno na neki način improvizirao. Pa, postoji priča o tome kako je on napravio grešku i onda cijelu noć nije spavao zbog toga i krivio je sebe zbog neuspjeha. Učio je iz svake greške koju je napravio, a nije ih napravio puno. Željela bih znati je li Sula zapravo rekao, kad je oslobodio Cezara iz zatočeništva, da “ga možete uzeti, u njemu je 40 Mariusa”? O: Nešto poput toga. P: (Perceval) [nešto o dušama koje dolaze na Zemlju…] … da je Cezar bio na važnoj misiji, možda? Ili je vidio planetu u to vrijeme, tadašnje čovječanstvo, i pretpostavljam da… Je li to bio neuspjeh, ili to možda nije bilo stvar uspjeha ili neuspjeha. Koja je bila njegova misija, ili što su bili opipljivi rezultati njegove misije? Hoću reći, koliko smo uspjeli shvatiti, Rim je otišao kvragu nakon njegove smrti, i nakon toga je uništen, ako je ta vremenska linija točna. Ali, što je on postigao? O: Izbalansirao je karmu i stvorio predložak koji nije bio dostupan prije njegovog vremena. Milosrđe nikad prije nije bilo demonstrirano na taj način. Problem je, kao i uvijek, OPS dominacija vaše oblasti. Ali Cezar nije doživio neuspjeh. Nakon njegove smrti ga se slavilo i sjećalo preko 2000 godina, makar i kao kroz lažnu legendu. P: (Perceval) Ne može bolje od toga. Dobiješ lažno ime i religiju… (L) Ne može bolje od toga. (Atriedes) Ne u potpunosti. I nakon 2000 godina ljudi znaju da je postojao… O: Zar se VI upravo SADA ne raspitujete o njemu?? P: (Perceval) Da, ali u smislu prosječne osobe na ulici, oni samo znaju ime, da je bio “ludi diktator”, i… O: Leptirova krila mogu ubrzati stvari kada ih pokreće Val. P: (Pierre) Što to znači? Znači li to… Scott) Nastavljaš mahati našim krilima, i kad Val dođe, to se… pojača ili tako nešto. (Pierre) Da, ali krila, što je to? Je li to što su Kasiopejci rekli o tom predlošku prije 2000 godina u vezi milosrđa koje će se pojačati Valom? O: Vi i ostali koji ste shvatili istinu. P: (L) Koliko je dugo Carotta radio na svojoj stvari? (Perceval) Dugo vremena. Od 1982. godine, mislim. (L) Dakle krenuo je raditi u tom smjeru otprilike u isto vrijeme kada sam ja počela svoju meditaciju i sve slične stvari. I tu je onda i Gary Courtney. Dakle, hoću reći, troje ljudi u posljednjih koliko godina? 30 godina? 40 godina? Troje ljudi u posljednjih 30 godina koji su došli do istog zaključka vezanog za posljednjih 2000 godina i mislim da nema više nikoga… Ima li još netko da je dao prijedloge u posljednjih 2000 godina? (PoB) Da. Oni Nijemci. Oni su skrenuti s tog puta… (L) Jesu li ikada izravno istupili i rekli, “Isus je bio Cezar”? (PoB) Da. (L) Jesi li upoznata s njihovim radom i što su radili? (PoB) Čitala sam o tome. (L) I kada je to bilo? (PoB) Uh… 1950-ih, ili možda 40-ih ili tako nešto. (L) U redu, dakle radi se samo o posljednjih 60 ili 70 godina. (PoB) Počeci su bili u 19. stoljeću, i onda je to poslije razvijeno ako se dobro sjećam. (L) OK, proširimo to na zadnjih 100 godina. (Atriedes) Mislim da je to fantastično. (L) Od 2000 godina… (Data) Tu je Mommsen i onaj drugi tip. (L) Je li Mommsen predložio da je Cezar bio Isus? Rekao je da je bio najveći čovjek koji je ikad živio, tu nema nimalo sumnje, ali nije naveo da je Isus. (Kniall) Alexander Hamilton je to nekome komentirao. (L) Da, dakle jasno je da je postojao krug intelektualaca koji… (Atriedes) Ako ćemo pošteno, da, mit o Isusu se temelji na Cezaru, ali mislim da je to takva perverzija. Radi se o tako razvodnjenoj perverziji toga… (L) Da, ali ako proučavaš mitove, možeš shvatiti kako se mitovi iskrivljuju na taj način. (Atriedes) Totalno, totalno. Ali u ovom trenutku… (Perceval) Nisam baš siguran. Oni kažu kako je on tada došao i poučavao različite vrline, i stvari poput milosrđa koje tada nisu postojale na taj način, bila su to gadna vremena. (L) Bilo je BRUTALNO tada živjeti, mislim… Isuse! (Perceval) Samo danas to izgleda beznačajno jer smo mi više “prosvijećeni”. (Atriedes) Ne kritiziram to. Pričam o detaljima i jahanju na magarcu i svemu tome… (L) Ali zbilja je smiješno da se čak i u priči o Isusu vide brojni elementi iz Cezarova života kako je povijesno zabilježeno prije nego što je počeo mit s Isusom, prije nego što su nastali dokumenti iz Novog zavjeta… Mislim, čak… Ono što mi već neko vrijeme prolazi kroz um je da kažu – i naravno tu se radi o Antiasu koji je pisao ispriku za Bruta i njegovu bandu zbog atentata – o tome kako su ga morali ubiti jer je želio postati kralj. A za što su optužili Isusa u priči? “Tvrdiš kako si Kralj Židova”. (PoB) Ja imam pitanje. Je li religija kršćanstva i izum Isusa, je li to originalno napravljeno kako bi se ljudima pomoglo u smislu o kojem piše Schumacher, jer je ljudima potrebna religija, a onda je poslije iskvareno? Ili je u samom startu bilo zlo u srži? O: Kršćanstvo je razvijano tijekom dugog vremenskog razdoblja i samim time na tvoje pitanje se ni približno ne može odgovoriti, tako kako si ga ti postavila. P: (L) Mislim da se posljednja verzija kršćanstva pojavila… (Perceval) Nedavno. (L) Nedavno, otprilike u 9. ili 10. stoljeću. Mislim, sve što se događalo prije toga su bile različite varijante mita o Cezaru i obožavanja Cezara. (Perceval) Početni razvoj kršćanstva, je li ono napravljeno ili nastalo u svojoj početnoj formi – njegov prvi razvoj, recimo nakon Cezarove smrti – je li to bio odgovor na obožavanje Cezara i njegovih vrijednosti od strane naroda? O: Da. P: (Chu) Ako ga se slavilo, onda… (Perceval) To je dakle bio početak toga. O: Carotta je vrlo blizu u svojoj analizi kako jezični problemi utječu na prijenos i iskrivljavanje. Ako postoje negativci u ovoj priči, onda su to Flavijevci i Karolinzi. P: (Pierre) Dakle Carotta je bio u pravu. Flavijevci stvarajući kršćanski mit… I onda Karolinzi koji su nakon raspada carstva obnovili 2.0 verziju kršćanstva. (Perceval) Je li vremenska skala koju imamo za Mračna doba, pad Rima, da li je to manje-više točno…? (L) Kako to misliš? Misliš da li je naša vremenska linija… (Perceval) U sklopu naše postojeće vremenske linije, od pada Rima pa do Cezarove smrti… od svemirskih katastrofa, tih 500 godina ili koliko god ih je već bilo… O: Toliko se često godina dodavalo da će biti potrebno uložiti puno teškog rada da bi se to posložilo. P: (L) Je li točna moja ideja da se određeni segmenti vremenske linije mogu ravnati po Halleyevom kometu? Je li Halleyev komet i onda dolazio dovoljno redovito da se u njega može pouzdati? O: Da. P: (L) Dakle, kada je Halleyeva kometa dolazila tijekom tih znatno produženih vremenskih razdoblja, onda su to razdoblja kada su se godine dodavale? O: Da. P: (L) I u nekim slučajevima su se dodavale, a u nekim slučajevima su se oduzimale. To je dosta čudno. Recimo oni mogu dodati 10, i onda oduzeti 5. Sveukupno gledajući definitivno je, mislim da… Mislim da je dodano dovoljno da je razlika 200 ili… (Pierre) Možda možeš postaviti ovo pitanje. Prema našim službenim kalendarima, Cezar je rođen približno prije 2114 godina. U stvarnosti, prije koliko godina je Cezar rođen? {Razlika od 479 godina} P: [Svi uzvikuju i čude se] (Perceval) Cijela ta stvar je krenula užasno krivo, razmišljali smo kako je to trajalo dodatnih 400 ili 500 godina? (L) Nije. (Perceval) Da, nije. Trajalo je možda 100 godina. (Pierre) Ili, je bio kolaps 400. ili 500. g. po. Kr., a većina dodanih dijelova su između 400-500 g. po. Kr. i 1000. g. po. Kr., kao što Fomenko predlaže. O: Provjerite artefakte. U nekim slučajevima postojalo je više “careva” u isto vrijeme, a ne jedan za drugim. P: (L) I postoje neki navodni carevi koji uopće nemaju artefakte. Samo su zapisani u Historia Augusta, ali nitko nikada nije našao niti jedan novčić koji bi potvrdio njihovo postojanje! (Atriedes) Dakle, nakon što je Cezar umro, kaos je zavladao i iskočila je hrpa nasilnika koji su pokušali preuzeti kontrolu. Nedugo nakon toga, palo je… (L) Pa, tu je bio August, i postojalo je ono kratko razdoblje stvari… usmjerio je situaciju na određenu stazu, i to je omogućilo da se neke stvari razviju… Ali rekla bih da je nakon Cezarove smrti i prije nego što je August uspio dobiti kontrolu, bilo ozbiljnih kataklizmičkih aktivnosti. Rekla bih da je bitka kod Akcija bila jako sumnjivi događaj. (Perceval) Dakle ti bi rekla da te godine koje su dodane su dodane između Cezara i pada. (L) Bilo je nekoliko, da… (Perceval) U tom slučaju, kao u smislu Mike Baileyeve stvari oko rasta godova na drveću, spomenuli su u prethodnoj sesiji kako je većinu zapadne Europe oko 560. godine zapalila vatrena kugla… (L) Bilo je više događaja tijekom tog razdoblja. (Perceval) Ali ako samo pričamo o datumu, misliš li da je to bilo prije 1400 ili 1500 godina, ili kraće? Je li bilo bliže nama? (L) U našim trajanjima, mislim da je bilo bliže nama. (Pierre) Dodano je 5 stoljeća. Možemo pitati: Od tih 5 stoljeća, koliko je dodano prije pada, a koliko nakon pada? (L) Vratimo se na to nakon što još malo poradimo na tome. Mislim da nam to neće ponuditi na pladnju. (Pierre) Ali iz onoga što su rekli, mislim da je uglavnom bilo prije pada. (Perceval) Ima smisla. (L) Mislim da je najmanje 100 godina dodano prije pada. Rekla bih da je zapravo… ili više. (Pierre) Skoro sve može stati jer… (L) Rekla bih da je gotovo 200 godina dodano prije pada. (Pierre) Može stati… Četiri stoljeća su dodana. Između Cezarove smrti, 44. g. pr. Kr., i pada 540. g. po. Kr., ima više od 5 stoljeća (??? ovdje je jako teško čuti Pierrea). (Chu) Ali prema Fomenku to se kasnije dogodilo. (L) Da, jer on nije razumio da su oni povijest ponovo pisali nakon pada. Dakle mislim, mislim da možemo pratiti sve do 410. g. po. Kr., i mislim da je dosta stvari poslije toga jednostavno duplicirano. Pa, vratit ćemo se na to, jer želim postaviti pitanje za 64 000 $! Sada, da li se Cezar ikada reinkarnirao nakon tog konkretnog života? O: Ne. P: (L) Dakle on je još uvijek u stanju hiper-svijesti gdje ga ljudi mogu kontaktirati i komunicirati s njim? (Perceval) Odgovara li na Isusov e-mail? (smijeh) Odgovara li na molitve upućene Isusu? O: Da, kad paketi stignu! P: (Chu) Je li u nekom drugom denzitetu, ili…? O: Petom. P: (L) OK, dakle… Bi li bilo moguće za nas da izravno komuniciramo s Cezarom? O: Da. P: (L) Um… Možete li, znate, organizirati komunikacijski kanal ovdje? [smijeh] (Atriedes) Možete li nas spojiti s Cezarom na glavnoj liniji, molimo vas? O: Mi ćemo se maknuti. P: (L) Nadam se da Cezar zna komunicirati na Engleskom. Ave, Cezare! [kraj trake, pauza dok se stavlja nova traka] Sačekajte, molim! (Atriedes) Ne mogu vjerovati da si našeg Boga i Spasitelja stavila na čekanje! [smijeh] (L) OK, evo nas nazad, Cezare. Idemo ponovo pokušati. Idemo se sabrati… Obzirom da vrijeme ne postoji tamo gore, ništa se nije dogodilo. Pretpostavljam da bi trebali postaviti pitanje. Gaje Julije Cezare, jesi li tu? O: Da. P: (L) Jesam li točno izgovorila tvoje ime? O: Ne. P: [smijeh] (L) Um, pa žao mi je, ne znam kako se izgovara. O: Pokupi visoki latinski stil kao trag. (slova idu sve sporije) P: (L) Ne bih željela gubiti vrijeme pričajući o tome jesam li izgovorila tvoje ime kako treba! Hoće li pomoći ako izgovorim tvoje ime kako treba? O: Ne. P: (L) Pa onda neću gubiti vrijeme i energiju na to. U redu, kakva pitanja imate za Cezara? (Pierre) Ujutro, na dan Martovskih Ida, jesi li znao da će biti izveden atentat na tebe? O: Da. P: (L) Jesi li bolovao od epilepsije? O: Ne. P: (L) Da li ti se vrtilo u glavi, u… u nekoliko navrata u godinama prije tvoje smrti? O: Da. P: (L) Je li to ukazivalo na neku bolest za koju si znao da će dovesti do mogućeg dugog, sporog i bolnog umiranja? O: Da. P: (L) Ako si znao da će biti izveden atentat na tebe, jesi li znao tko će ga izvesti? O: Ne. P: (L) Je li bilo iznenađenje? O: Da. P: (Pierre) Jesi li prije smrti izgovorio riječi koje su povjesničari zapisali? O: Dosta blizu, ali ranije u interakciji. P: (Pierre) To znači da je prije atentata došlo do neke vrste konfrontacije… (L) Ne, mislim da je atentat bio interakcija. Ranije u interakciji… Nije ih izgovorio u trenutku umiranja. Je li to točno? Vidio si da je Brut umiješan, i nešto si mu rekao, i onda je napad počeo. Je li to točnije? O: Da. P: (L) U redu, Cezar je tvoj. Pitaj ga! (Atriedes) Je li istina da ti je Marius služio kao uzor za vojskovođu, ili si bio pod utjecajem Aleksandra Velikog ili Scipiona? O: Svi i drugi utjecaji nemilitarne prirode. P: (Atriedes) Dakle, kad si preuzeo vojsku, jesi li unaprijed znao da je vrlo vjerojatno da ćeš je morati koristiti u građanskom ratu? O: Ne. To je slomilo moje srce i zdravlje. Rim je mogao postati blistavi grad na brdu, svjetlost svijeta. P: (Atriedes) Ako nije preosobno, um… Clodius Bona Dea, o čemu se tu radilo? Je li se to zbilja dogodilo, ili se tom pričom nešto prikrilo… ako nije previše osobno? O: To je bila serija manevara kako bi se pridobila odanost Klodija. P: (L) Dakle pretpostavljam da je tvoja tadašnja žena bila potrošna roba? O: Ona je bila Ciceronova prijateljica i članica njegove stranke. P: (L) Je li to bilo preko Ciceronove žene i sestre njegove žene? O: Da. P: (L) OK. Još nešto? (Pierre) Planira li se reinkarnirati? O: Samo u novom svijetu. P: (L) Misliš nakon tranzicije u 4. denzitet? O: Da. P: (L) Cezare, jesi li ikada imao bliskih prijatelja? O: Nekolicinu, ali oni nisu željeli moć. P: (L) Znači, obzirom da nisu željeli moć, nema povijesnih zapisa o njima. (Chu) Ali nisi bio usamljen? O: Jesam, bio sam. P: (Atriedes) Ako bi nam mogao ponuditi tri savjeta, koji bi to savjeti bili? O: Bio sam u krivu kada sam mislio da se mase mogu promijeniti slijedeći primjer. Ljudi su većinom prevrtljivi i usredotočeni sami na sebe. Stoga, ako stvarno želite nešto promijeniti, to se isključivo može postići ranim obrazovanjem, a čak i tada je krhko i neće potrajati. Na kraju morate biti iskreni vašoj vlastitoj prirodi i ničega se ne bojati. Ako to učinite, možete ostaviti trag nakon što vas više ne bude bilo. To nije točno ono što si tražio, ali nema tri savjeta koji se mogu primijeniti na sve događaje. P: (L) Jesi li bio zadovoljan Augustovom kontrolom situacije nakon što si umro? O: Podao dječak koji je manipulirao svime i svačime. P: (Atriedes) Bi li ti smetalo ako se tvoja uspomena i slika koriste u religiji? O: Dokle god se to čini s razumijevanjem istine. Što je uostalom religija, ako ne ono što povezuje ljude, kao što je pokazano s mojom vojskom. P: (Atriedes) Nalikuje li ona bista tamo tebi? O: Kad sam bio mlađi. P: (L) “Mlađi”, koliko točno? P: (Atriedes) Jesi li imao bilo kakve poroke? O: Niti jedan koji me kontrolirao. P: (Alana) Htjela bi znati što te je inspiriralo i tjeralo da ideš dalje unatoč vremenima? Koje je bilo tvoje uvjerenje, vjera…? O: Najviše su me inspirirali Posejdonije i ideje stoika iz antičkih vremena. Ljubav i sažaljenje su me motivirali. P: (L) Ljubav i sažaljenje prema kome? O: Čovječanstvu. P: (L) Sažaljenje, zašto? O: Izgubljeni su. P: (L) Još nešto? (Andromeda) Je li danas zbilja tvoj rođendan? O: Da. P: (Svi) SRETAN ROĐENDAN!! O: Ave ljudi Kasiopeje, zbogom! Doviđenja. P: (Ark) Sada, kada… kada je ovo s Cezarom počelo, osjetio sam fizičku senzaciju. Prvo, na desnoj polovici moje glave osjetio sam trnce poput elektriciteta, i osjetio sam kao da mi se kosa miče. Nekoliko puta sam provjeravao, znate? Miče li ili ne? Nisam ništa našao. Ali opet, u redu. I onda na ovom mjestu (dodiruje sljepoočnicu) sam opet osjetio kako se miče. Miče se! Nisam ništa htio reći. I onda, u jednom trenutku smo pričali, i moje naočale su se iskrivile. Bile su u redu na početku. Ništa im nisam radio. Onda sam ih morao popraviti jer su mi opale. To se nikad prije nije dogodilo. (Andromeda) Hmm. (L) Dakle Cezar mora da se spajao kroz tebe. KRAJ SESIJE Original sesije na engleskom jeziku možete naći ovdje. Related Articles: Posted in Kasiopejske sesije