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Cassiopaea Forum Esoterica => The Cassiopaean Experiment => Cassiopaean Session Transcripts => Topic started by: Laura on December 08, 2014, 08:29:42 AM Session Date: December 6th 2014 Laura and Andromeda at the board Pierre, Perceval, Ark, Chu, parallel, Breton, Windmill Knight, Prodigal Son, Data, Mr. Scott, Kniall, Galatea, and Noko the Wonderdog (who once again slept for the whole session and woke up just before the "Goodbye") Q: (L) This is 6 December 2014. A: Fine fire this evening! Ginollia of Cassiopaea here for the present energy arrangement/transduction. Q: (L) That was a thorough introduction. We've got a real OCD type. [laughter] Sorry, I was just being a little bit funny. You covered all the bases for me. A: Just trying to help conserve your energy! Q: (L) I'm assuming that means that I need help conserving my energy... A: Yes. Q: (L) Okay, well we won't go into that. Now, I wanted to ask a question based on something that was said - well, actually there were several things said - in the last session. Oh, that's funny. I just turned to this page and it says: -----(L) So we've got energy conservation going on. And then in the same session I said: Session 11 October 2014: A: Time for you to sit in the psychomantium or something similar with pencil and paper ready. Q: (L) Why do I need a paper and pencil ready? A: Because we have complex things to convey and that will conserve energy. Q: (L) Do these have to be questions of general interest, or is it possible that say, for example, other people could send in questions to be answered in this way? A: Limit personal questions please. (L) And this is the topic I would like to address: personal questions. I have noticed that on many occasions, starting off with a somewhat personal question has led to something of universal interest for everyone. So, I want to know: is there some kind of... I mean, I'm assuming that a personal question is not... Well, that there's different classifications. Some personal questions might be personal, but they're universally interesting, and other personal questions are just specific to that individual themselves. In that case, is it okay to ask questions that are, or may be, universally interesting or that may lead to discussions that are of universal interest? A: Notice this: Most often the questions that drain and lead to STS energies are asked by individuals who are not in frequency with you and your general tendency to utilize all in service to others. Q: (L) So it depends on the intention and the frequency match? A: More or less. There is also a tendency in such types to ask merely with the intention to "use" this source in a selfish way. Q: (L) Well, yeah, but there are also some people who are fairly desperate in physical situations, like situations of illness and so forth, where it can be kind of understandable that they're feeling just a little bit selfish. A: Yes, but also notice that such individuals often are "fair weather" friends. They come only because they want/need something, but give back very little. Q: (L) Anybody have any elucidating questions on that? {Multiple head shakes.} So, in other words, "limit personal questions" is not a hard and fast dictum, it's flexible. In some cases, personal questions can actually be helpful to other people who may have similar situations. Well, for health issues most often, I think that research is probably the way to go. (Perceval) You can imagine someone for example with health questions, if they had done a lot of work themselves in terms of trying to solve their problem and they came with more information that was shared with everyone via the session, then by the nature of it that would be of more universal interest. (L) I noticed the last time that Rabelais was wanting to ask about cancer, and he was asking about if the theory of Dr. So-and-so is useful. Well, that doesn't help anybody. Explaining the theory and reading it into the record... but on the other hand, that's something you can make your own judgment on and can share via the forum. (Perceval) Exactly. You do all that you can, and then the question you come up with about it, that question would then be more universally useful. Or like, "What's wrong with my big toe? Why is my big toe sore?" (Andromeda) Yeah, and then you would be giving something back to other people first, and utilizing your own energy to find answers. (Chu) And that would be the key, because then you're giving back to the network. (L) If you're not networking, then what are you doing? That kind of leads me to the next question. In the last session, we were talking about DNA changes: -----(L) Now, something really interesting occurred this past summer. Well, actually it started happening beginning in the fall of last year when we had these meetings here. We were talking about making changes and decisions and changing realities. {We made videos on the topics showing how making a choice can move you into a different reality.} And right in the middle of these workshops, damned if we didn't discover that there was a farm for sale right down the road from us! Session 11 October 2014: (L) So, liquid DNA... What we have here is a little bit of a confirmation of what the C's were saying way back when, that DNA can turn from a solid to a liquid to infect a cell. But we also know that DNA can also produce beneficial changes. The likelihood is that we have DNA that infected us at some point in time. It truncated the flow of some other DNA that's in our cells already there, but it isn't doing anything because it's been blocked by an infection. The possibility exists, I am surmising, that at some point in time, this could be changed or reversed possibly - probably - virally. Now, am I on to something here? A: Oh indeed! The times ahead will be most interesting especially if the network both expands to the full tribal unit strength, and many others take the initiative to move up to the next stair step. It took us a number of months to decide to enter negotiations, and then it took several more months to sort out the negotiations. Meanwhile, we were dealing with the group over in the US, too, and there was a desperate need for a permanent facility there. The bottom line is that in the month of July, I believe we closed on the house in the US in the first or second week of July, and then we closed on the farm on the 22nd of July. So in the month of July, we took definite reality-changing steps to essentially expand our tribal unit strength, so to say. And then, the most curious thing happened which I didn't know about until November: our old pal Vinnie Bridges died on the 25th of July just three days after we acquired the facility here, and about ten days after we acquired the US facility. It hadn't really occurred to me that there could be any relationship between these events until just recently when I was thinking about it and then it struck me as darned curious. I remembered in – I think it was the last session - talking about this tribal unit strength thing, and also about this force field or energy barrier that we generate within this house and how people who have come up against this energy barrier who are the wrong frequency, at the wrong time, and in the wrong way, seem to have difficulties (to put it mildly). And then it occurred to me that it IS a curious thing that two of our major attackers/defamers are dead now. One of them was Andy Rowland who died December of last year (Christmas night, as I heard), and then, Vincent Bridges died almost exactly 7 months later, again on the 25th of the month. That made me think of “year 0” which was discussed a few years back, speaking of 2014. I know I'm speculating like crazy here, but Andy Rowland lived in the UK and Vincent died just a few years after he transferred himself to Europe. The reason this struck me so forcibly is because I looked at pictures of Vincent posted in the guestbook of the funeral home which handled his arrangements, I saw that there were pictures of him from way back right up to just before he died. In 2009, he looked pretty normal and healthy. After 2010, the year he came to Europe and probably helped to instigate and participated in the police investigation that we underwent that year, he just went downhill like crazy. I don’t want to read too much into it, but it's almost as though he had come into contact with something that really destroyed him. So that made me think of the energy field around us that has been described previously, that those with dark or negative frequencies that encounter it, hit it like a brick wall, so to say. I mean, I know it's a long way to Prague, but still, we're on this side of the pond. So I got to wondering if it could possibly be because of being on this side of the Atlantic where we are? And I'm just wondering - speculatively - if there is any relationship between his death on the 25th of July and our changing our reality by purchasing these two properties to enable our tribal unit strength to expand in a definite way? That's my question. Does that sound like a crazy question? (Perceval) It's only crazy if it's not true. [laughter] (Pierre) It's the beginning of superpowers! (L) Is there any relationship? A: In the words of the philosopher: You betcha! Q: (Perceval) What philosopher said that? (Galatea) That could also explain why people become so sick when they travel: because they're entering into someone else's home where their defenses are lowered. The frequency change makes you weak. (Perceval) So, some kind of "death ray" was fired from this house at Vinnie Bridges in Prague and it knocked him stone dead? A: Silly! There was in fact a burst of energy at the accomplishment of the aim and this resonated within the planetary field. It was unfortunate that Bridges was configured in the wrong frequency pattern. Check the news around the same time for other clues of both positive and negative nature! Q: (Pierre) Was Bridges the only casualty of this energy burst? A: No. Q: (Perceval) They said to check the news for other clues... Pierre did a search with the following results: John Blundell, English economist (b. 1952) Johann Breyer, German SS officer (b. 1925) Louis Lentin, Irish director and producer (b. 1933) Robert Newhouse, American football player (b. 1950) Nitzan Shirazi, Israeli footballer and manager (b. 1971) Dora Bryan, English actress and singer (b. 1923) Norman Leyden, American composer and conductor (b. 1917) 2014 – Ariano Suassuna, Brazilian author and playwright (b. 1927) 2014 – Jordan Tabor, English footballer (b. 1990) 2014 – Bill Thompson, American television host (b. 1931) 2014 – Saado Ali Warsame, Somalian singer and politician (b. 1950) 2014 – Joseph Wood, American murderer (b. 1958) 2014 – Ik-Hwan Bae, South Korean-American violinist (b. 1956) 2014 – Yoo Chae-yeong, South Korean-American singer-songwriter and actress (b. 1973) 2014 – Christian Falk, Swedish singer-songwriter and bass player (Imperiet) (b. 1962) 2014 – Dale Schlueter, American basketball player (b. 1945) 2014 – Hans-Hermann Sprado, German journalist and author (b. 1956) 2014 – Carlo Bergonzi, Italian tenor and actor (b. 1924) 2014 – Alan C. Greenberg, American businessman (b. 1927) 2014 – Çolpan Ilhan, Turkish actress (b. 1936) 2014 – Bel Kaufman, German-American author and academic (b. 1911) 2014 – Richard Larter, Australian painter and illustrator (b. 1929) 2014 – Oleh Babayev, Ukrainian politician (b. 1965) 2014 – Charles R. Larson, American admiral (b. 1936) 2014 – Richard MacCormac, English architect, founded MJP Architects (b. 1938) 2014 – Sergei O. Prokofieff, Russian anthroposophist and author (b. 1954) 2014 – Roland Verhavert, Belgian director, producer, and screenwriter (b. 1927) (L) Well, if this is the nature of the kind of things that we could possibly accomplish... [laughter] (Galatea) Think of the possibilities! (Perceval) Quick, buy another farm! [laughter] (L) Some years back, we had an issue with the prefecture in Gers. And we got a notification from the Prefect at the time that we had 30 days to leave France because of the BS started by Vinnie Bridges and Marten Jukema. And our friend, I***, interceded for us directly with one of the ministers of France, {name redacted}, and he interceded on our behalf with the prefect. At the time, I was delivered a personal verbal message from the minister by I***, and he said, "You have enemies in very high places." Well, I didn't take that very seriously at that time. Sheesh, who am I? A housewife with an unusual career choice? But with these recent issues over the past few years, police investigation in 2010 fer cryin’ out loud, and then the FISC investigation in 2011-2012, it just makes me wonder. Just recently we had a sort of confirmation when our bank sent us a letter telling us after 11 years of a very good relationship, they were closing our accounts. After months of trying to open an account in a dozen other banks, and repeatedly being refused after initial acceptance, it became obvious that something was up, that my name triggered some kind of red flag in the banking system. After months of excuses, BS, and disinfo, Chu finally encountered a sympathetic banker who did some checking and told her that this problem with our banking has been because somebody in a very high position has targeted me specifically – it isn’t even FATCA. And also, there appears to be indications from still another source who has access to the inside information, i.e. the computer database, that the social security system was gearing up to target us for an investigation. Now, all that being said, and realizing that there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence that something very strange is going on, considering these events with Andy and Vinnie, I’d like to know when are our efforts going to result in countering the attacks of those guys at the top? [laughter] A: Keep in mind that some of these types of individuals have protection via STS sources at the global scale. It will be awhile yet before your group or tribal unit achieves that level of projective power. However, it must be said that the critical mass is a lot less than you might expect to need due to the amplification of networked energies. So, keep your awareness sharp and carry on, as there are STO forces in your corner. Q: (L) Okay. Since we're on this topic, and since it seems that the tribal unit is kind of an important thing, I suppose we should ask some questions about it at the local level. We've got this house, and we've got the house down the road. However, there seems to be a certain issue that I would like to ask for some help on, and I know it's a little personal, but help us out here. I'd like to know what the issues are with Breton in particular in his struggle to come to terms with what we're doing and what we're trying to accomplish. Is that a good way to put it, Breton? You are having a struggle coming to terms with it? (Breton) Um, not consciously, but... (L) Oh, okay. He says it's not conscious. Well, okay, so... A: Warning here! Breton has precipitately disconnected psychic and etheric cords that bound him to a specific plan and milieu. The consequence is that he has torn his triple cycle veil and is leaking energy. The result is what you all observe: a rapid decline in functional intellectual power. Q: (Perceval) What are the cords that bound him to a specific plan and milieu? (L) Did you get that, Breton? (Breton) Yeah, mostly. (L) Do you have a follow up question? (Breton) I'm astounded. (Perceval) Want me to read it out to you? (Breton) One more time. [answer is read out again] (L) I don't understand. Can you... (Chu) What's the triple cycle veil? (L) The triple cycle veil is in the sessions... The body, the emotions, and the soul are the triple cycle thingamajig. So he has like a life plan that he has abandoned? (Chu) They said "milieu", so I'm guessing it's something about his family. (Perceval) Yeah, they said, "a specific plan and milieu". (L) I think you need to be a little more specific because we don't know... Breton says he's in shock, so he can't ask a question, and we have no clue either. So, can we be more specific? I know that's a vague question, but can you help us out here on this? A: Put it this way: It is similar to what has been discussed regarding FRV. Breton has effectively "left his true self behind" near his children and only the body centers are here. Q: (Galatea) Is this like his pre-destiny, like he planned to do something before he came here, but he's not doing it now? A: Exactly, though he has intellectualized that he is making preparations for his children. Breton, what happens if you get things ready in material terms but the children are not prepared in spiritual and emotional terms? Q: (L) Can you answer that, Breton? (Breton) No, I can't answer it. I guess I thought that as you prepare and make steps in the right direction towards the aim, these things become more clear. It's not totally clear how the children and I would get back together again and in what way, but I had to take the first steps. A: You should rather find the way to do both; you must continue the karmic development with those souls and at the same time support the network and safety net that you hope will receive you. Q: (Galatea) What is leaking again? (L) Energy. (Pierre) Energy, because one part of him is here, and one part of him is over there, so he's split. So, in other words... in other words, I dunno. (Pierre) It's a solvable problem. If he's split, the way to fix this problem is to bring these centers back together: to be where his soul is, to help them, and meet them as much as a possible and give them love and psychological and emotional support. Get them prepared on these levels as well. Meanwhile, doing what you're done for years: keep on supporting the network. Where you are doesn't matter. It will all happen at the right time, so have this faith that it will all be resolved. A: You suffer from a lack of faith in the process and have allowed fear to make choices for you. Q: (Chu) For what it's worth, what I'm understanding is that because of this lack of faith in the process, you chose to intellectualize it as the right decision to prepare for them materially here, because that's something tangible that you can see. But the spiritual and emotional preparation is a lot more vague and requires a lot more faith. Being there might prepare them more for later when they have to take a harder or necessary step... A: If you are not there guiding developments and simultaneously watching for the signs, how will you be able to do what is needed for them when it is needed? Q: (L) Well, all right then. (Breton) I don't know how I would be guiding my children given that they live with that... lady. I felt it was out of my hands. A: You give that way more power than it has, and have not developed the necessary force and skills to circumvent obstacles. Q: (L) Maybe it's time to compromise: move close to where she is. (Breton) Yeah, maybe that's the skill I'm supposed to be developing: to be able to raise the children under those kinds of circumstances because I have a contract with those souls. (Chu) And if you're closer, you have more influence and contact. (Pierre) And the motivation, as well. Apparently it's on the soul level that you made this choice. So, it's a very deep commitment, and it should give you a very strong motivation. There's no regret to have. And you know what you have to do, and it's great. It's rare in our lives that we know that this is my path, this is my destiny. (Breton) And maybe I made a mistake. I thought I was following my aim the best by coming here. But maybe I can still follow the aim of the group under a different set of circumstances. (Perceval) Well, of course. Everybody else is doing that. Everyone else who isn't here is following the aim even though they're not here. (Breton) I just thought that I heard the call, and I thought it was mine. But maybe it wasn't the time to come. (Chu) Maybe it's not a matter of being wrong or right. You made a statement to her when you decided not to move closer to her. But now, maybe it's time to choose that path for other reasons? (Breton) The way I was going to serve the aim should have been different, perhaps. (L) Okay, that leads me to another question. I’ve been reading all this stuff about biblical criticism. What was discussed in the chapter I just finished was the fact that there was a conflict between certain sayings that were attributed to Jesus in the text of the gospels and also in the Book of Acts. Whatever is in there reflects something that was going on at the time of writing, and not authentic reporting about anyone called Jesus. In short, what the gospels say represent much later concerns of the authors of those texts. Without going into a whole lot of detail, there are two things, two ways of living, that are kind of in opposition within those texts. First, there are the many sayings where they talk about how you have to give up all your money, your goods, and become basically like a cynic philosopher and wander up and down the roads and convert people... Like Jesus talking to the rich man and saying, "Go and sell all you own, and follow me." And then there are injunctions in other places where it says that an individual who does not take care of his family and who does not take care of the real world - kind of like the obyvatel concept of Gurdjieff - is committing a worse sin than not believing in Jesus. It's dishonoring your parents, your family, and so forth. So there are these two completely diametrically opposed points of view in the texts, and they pop up at odd times. It’s like the cynic version is the gentile point of view, and the strict obedience to the law (honor your father and mother, etc), is the Judaizing point of view. The way that this particular analyst – Robert Price - resolved it was to point out that in Buddhism, which started about 600 BC, went along for several hundred years as a very tough ascetic way of achieving Nirvana, whatever. The whole thing is all about Nirvana, being a monk, withdrawing from the world, meditating, and whatever in order to achieve this Nirvana to get free of the whole earthly cycle; to become nothing, to merge into cosmic mind, or whatever. Then about 100 BC, there was a “new revelation” in Buddhism. Another kind of Buddhism came into being and began to be promulgated. It was The Way of the Bodhisattva, which is that a person could deliberately choose to remain in the world - in other words, stop thinking about getting out of the world every minute of the day, and think about remaining in the world with a commitment to be as perfect as you possibly can, knowing that by not withdrawing into a monkish-type situation, that, yes, you may live many more lifetimes, but you will do them as service to others. I think that the idea was that this was a more benevolent way to be a Buddhist, at least one that ordinary people could follow though the purists of the original form declared it to be cheating or a rationalization at the time. It’s now pretty well accepted. So, both kinds of Buddhism are now being practiced, but the idea of serving others by not withdrawing into the monastery seems to be dominant. So then it just basically comes back to there's a high road, and a low road. (Pierre) Yeah, and it's called the Great Vehicle and the Small Vehicle, I think. (L) So anyhow, this Robert Price says that this is that what he thinks he's seeing: that there was a similar thing in early Christianity; there was the high road where you could become something like a cynic philosopher and wander up and down the road, save people, and sleep on the road side, the good lord provides everything, etc. That's opposed to the ones that were taking care of business, their families, and also the monks and philosophers. So, in any event, the reason I'm giving this background is that, from some of these things that have been said in various sessions about tribal unit and networks and things, it seems that those people who support the network in certain ways, or in whatever ways they can, as long as they are a part of it and as long as they are networking, they don't have to give up their life, give up their jobs, give up whatever, and move into a community, still benefit from the advances of the network; that is to say, they literally receive when they give and help and support. Obviously, a community is one particular way. It's an intense way. But still, our communities are very different from monkly communities, because we're very much "in the world" in a certain sense. Am I kind of on to something with this comparison between the high road and the low road of Buddhism and the high road and low road of Christianity? And what we're talking about in terms of communities and other members in our communities, is that pretty much what we're talking about here? That just being a part of the network in whatever way you can is as valuable as giving up everything to go live in a community? A: More or less. But be aware that there is still the need in these particular times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. Q: (Perceval) The previous answer was that there is still a need in these times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. That's us doing the preparation, for example, so that we are effectively acting as proxies for all those others? (Ark) I think that the main thing is to achieve as much RESULTS as possible, you see? So if you are somewhere and you see that you are not at your optimal strength because something is leaking, you cannot achieve most results. Some other place, you can see the results of what you are doing. (L) So if you're not seeing results in your life, you need to rethink what's going on. (Ark) Yeah. (L) Anybody else got any questions on it? (Chu) Just a comment. I would say that if it applied like Perceval was saying to us, or the US community for example, to be preparing for aiding and receiving other people, in order to do that even more, we need those that are in the outer edges to be doing what is possible... (L) ...so that we can receive them! A: Yes yes yes!! Q: (Chu) It's not that they should just sit and wait... A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! Q: (Perceval) So that last answer then was that there's a need in these particular times, that means people that are out there in the network need to be networking and expanding the network and helping each other. (L) In the center of the network which is where we and the people in the US house are, they need to be prepared and ready. In other words, people on the outer edges of the network can stay where they are for now and be part of the network and know that if the circumstances or conditions transpire, they DO have a place to go. A: Where you put your energy, including funding, is where your heart is and where you will be drawn and received when the time comes. [table leg starts squeaking during this answer.] Q: (Chu) I was thinking it's the clearest explanation that it's not where you are, but who you are and what you see that counts. (L) Because where you are, IF you see the signs, you can change your position if it's required. (Chu) Yeah, and people have been worried about preparing, but they're worried about the "where" before worrying about where the heart is. (Pierre) It's not only who you are, it's what you give as well. (Perceval) Where you put your energy. (L) Anything else anybody has on that? (Ark) Yeah. (L) What? (Ark) I forgot. [laughter] No, I mean, I have two short sentences. First is: Duties first. Second: Results is what counts. If you have unfulfilled duties, then you cannot get best results. So, first thing is to do your duty. The better you are doing your duties, the more energy you can give to the network, and then the more energy can flow to you. (L) In other words, “how can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat?” (Pierre) How can you have your fat bomb if you didn't have your bacon? (Galatea) I have one tiny question. How can we strengthen our pineal gland? What are some other methods we can use? (L) Why do you want to strengthen your pineal gland? (Galatea) So it makes us more psychic. (L) No it isn't. It's the pituitary. (Galatea) Oh, pituitary, sorry. A: Diet and detox. (Galatea) That's it? A: Channeling also helps if one is suited to it. Q: (L) In other words, if you're not suited, don't do it. A: Yes. Q: (Perceval) Here be dragons. (Chu) Well, the question everybody's going to ask on the forum is: How do they know if they're suited? (Perceval) Use your intuition! [laughter] A: The individuals who are truly suited and capable of useful STO communication are RARE. It is as much genetics as soul potential and mission destiny profile as preparation. It takes ALL in the right mix. Q: (L) So, the fact that you mention this to Galatea, does this indicate that she might possibly have the right mix? A: Very possibly! Q: (Galatea) As in, it's going to happen, or it might happen? A: Up 2 U Q: (L) So, you've been texting, eh? (Andromeda) That was Galatea in the future! [laughter] TY, TY! (L) What does "TY" mean? (Galatea) Thank you. (L) Okay, I think I want to shut down for the night if nobody has anything pressing. Is there anything we need know? We didn't ask any world questions. (Pierre) I have a question about those drones. Many drones have been observed over French nuclear plants. Are these really drones? A: Yes. Q: (Pierre) Who is operating them? A: Wouldn't you and the army like to know? Q: (Andromeda) So it's not the army... (Perceval) It's probably just... Okay, so it's not just some locals. (Pierre) It's over the whole country - for weeks. A: Who is spying on everyone everywhere? Q: (Perceval) NSA. (Pierre) Mossad. A: Close enough! Q: (Pierre) Why? A: Keeping the pressure on France. Q: (Pierre) Like a threat. (Perceval) The NSA is trying to scare the French political establishment by flying drones over nuclear power plants. (Pierre) To not switch to Russia, or... (Perceval) ...an "accident" is gonna happen. A: Now it is time to say goodnight and "see you in the psychomantium soon!" Goodbye. (Pierre) They didn't forget, eh? [laughter] (Perceval) So when you go to the psychomantium they’ll be there with a watch saying, "We've been waiting for WEEKS!" [laughter] END OF SESSION Thank You for session. Thanks for this session. This session hit me quite a lot, kind of confirmation to continue to work on the "idea" (better say kinda of intuition) I have to "prepare my native village" for the future. In which place of the forum can I ask if some people living not so far from where I live (south belgium) and who want to move to a better place where some people would gather as you are doing in south of France and in the US (if I well understood) ? I said I was "hit" by this session because I really feel like you mentionned in various sentences in this session about "the fact that you act as a proxies for others" - I've been partially influenced by all the sott's community work, but also it's ... kind of something written in me that I have to help people to prepare... I run a lot on intuition and now, my target is to gather as much funds as possible to re-inject them in another company more focussed on gathering interesting "stuff" for the future (read my big presentation about), and also to start to sponsor some initiative in the village, like a collection of seeds (it's an advise for any community), but also a kind of village's chicken coop, and probably other ideas which will "pop out" in the future. Thus, having the help of people aware of what's going on and wishing to help to better organise in the future would be ... a good thing. I was also a bit "hit" when I read about the "farm" in this session. There may be a farm to sell in my native village ... well, to discuss ... coming back to my first question : do you accept, and if yes, where can I post to present my views and propose members who would wish/feel it to gather in my native village, south belgium ? Thanks Laura & Co. I hope this means the tailbone is better :) Laura and the Team thank you for the session lots for the tribe to consider and for those who have been on the outside looking in and hopeing they can help in some way perhaps its time to put fear and indecision to one side and just start helping in any way possible even though sometimes it may seem that in our own experiece we cant help but we all bring something to the table even though we dont think we have the knowledge or experience to do so,heres hopeing i can and many others can. Great session, thanks for sharing. Very interesting session, thank you all! And the new SoTT decorations are very lovely too! :flowers: Thanks for the session and thanks for sharing!! Thank you for sharing! While sitting on a fence, on peripheries of the network, it was never my goal to get close to the team, it seems so far away (not in geographical terms). My goal was to repair myslef, so to be able to help my family and friends. But since this is the only place to discuss everything discussed here, only group of people understanding/trying to understand those subjects or just feeling connected spiritually, A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! Though i feel lost/depressed now, i know there's so much to achieve if one is to persist carrying own cross. Let's hold on and do our best. Thanks for the new session! Thank you for the session, it's amazing! So much material to think about and work on. Thank you for sharing! While sitting on a fence, on peripheries of the network, it was never my goal to get close to the team, it seems so far away (not in geographical terms). My goal was to repair myslef, so to be able to help my family and friends. But since this is the only place to discuss everything discussed here, only group of people understanding/trying to understand those subjects or just feeling connected spiritually, A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! Though i feel lost/depressed now, i know there's so much to achieve if one is to persist carrying own cross. Let's hold on and do our best. Hold on, osher, and don't forget that you always can share it here and network if you have a need and feel lost and depressed. Thanks for the new session! Again much to ponder, but it "hit" me too - kind of as in "got to get my act together". But very interesting the concept of the two "modes" of contribution - the high road and the low road. Not sure yet, where I fit in ... Thank you all for another very interesting and informative session. Gads, so much to think about and digest. Thank you for another amazing session. Thank you for the session, it's amazing! So much material to think about and work on. Thank you for sharing! While sitting on a fence, on peripheries of the network, it was never my goal to get close to the team, it seems so far away (not in geographical terms). My goal was to repair myslef, so to be able to help my family and friends. But since this is the only place to discuss everything discussed here, only group of people understanding/trying to understand those subjects or just feeling connected spiritually, A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! Though i feel lost/depressed now, i know there's so much to achieve if one is to persist carrying own cross. Let's hold on and do our best. Hold on, osher, and don't forget that you always can share it here and network if you have a need and feel lost and depressed. I feel something simmilar to this too. On one hand i want to network more and help others , on the other hand always some dificulties occurs and they are slowing me down. Then i dont have such a knowledge that i cau utilize in helping other very much, but i try as much as i can. I try to read all recomended books, to get better with my English, but i still fell like on the edge on the beginning of my learning path. I must network more if i want to learn more and in the same time help more to others. I hope i can accomplish that. Thanks for the new session! Thank you for new interesting session! Thanks for the session! Thank you for another amazing session. Thank you for the session, it's amazing! So much material to think about and work on. Thank you for sharing! While sitting on a fence, on peripheries of the network, it was never my goal to get close to the team, it seems so far away (not in geographical terms). My goal was to repair myslef, so to be able to help my family and friends. But since this is the only place to discuss everything discussed here, only group of people understanding/trying to understand those subjects or just feeling connected spiritually, A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! Though i feel lost/depressed now, i know there's so much to achieve if one is to persist carrying own cross. Let's hold on and do our best. Hold on, osher, and don't forget that you always can share it here and network if you have a need and feel lost and depressed. I feel something simmilar to this too. On one hand i want to network more and help others , on the other hand always some dificulties occurs and they are slowing me down. Then i dont have such a knowledge that i cau utilize in helping other very much, but i try as much as i can. I try to read all recomended books, to get better with my English, but i still fell like on the edge on the beginning of my learning path. I must network more if i want to learn more and in the same time help more to others. I hope i can accomplish that. You can accomplish it, Konstantin. Don't fret the fact that you're at the beginning of your path - we can't start at the end! It's natural to have doubts, but if you keep working, step by step, without anticipating results, you can't help but make progress. Hang in there! Thank you for the new session. Much to think about as always. Wow, what a great session! Breton's question as asked Laura was extremely educational regarding how one has to deal with their day to day obligations vis a vis their spiritual growth. Essentially the lessons are to be found in living life itself and not by running from our family's and communities. As I understand it, one must work (through the network) from where one finds themselves, and integrate their learning from the networks into their local modus operandi. In other words irrespective of where you are, if you are networking, working on yourself, learning and growing, then you will be raising your FRV, and wherever you are you will attract others who are raising or have raised their FRV. So just keeping at it, staying awake and alert and having faith in the process will naturally bring about the change that we are looking for. Trying to work out where you will be and how you will escape when the shit hits the fan may not be possible immediately, but clarity will come OSIT. A: Warning here! Breton has precipitately disconnected psychic and etheric cords that bound him to a specific plan and milieu. The consequence is that he has torn his triple cycle veil and is leaking energy. The result is what you all observe: a rapid decline in functional intellectual power. Q: (Perceval) What are the cords that bound him to a specific plan and milieu? (L) Did you get that, Breton? (Breton) Yeah, mostly. (L) Do you have a follow up question? (Breton) I'm astounded. (Perceval) Want me to read it out to you? (Breton) One more time. [answer is read out again] (L) I don't understand. Can you... (Chu) What's the triple cycle veil? (L) The triple cycle veil is in the sessions... The body, the emotions, and the soul are the triple cycle thingamajig. So he has like a life plan that he has abandoned? (Chu) They said "milieu", so I'm guessing it's something about his family. (Perceval) Yeah, they said, "a specific plan and milieu". (L) I think you need to be a little more specific because we don't know... Breton says he's in shock, so he can't ask a question, and we have no clue either. So, can we be more specific? I know that's a vague question, but can you help us out here on this? A: Put it this way: It is similar to what has been discussed regarding FRV. Breton has effectively "left his true self behind" near his children and only the body centers are here. Q: (Galatea) Is this like his pre-destiny, like he planned to do something before he came here, but he's not doing it now? A: Exactly, though he has intellectualized that he is making preparations for his children. Breton, what happens if you get things ready in material terms but the children are not prepared in spiritual and emotional terms? That's also something I am guilty of, intellectualizing and then making a wrong decision (Ark) I think that the main thing is to achieve as much RESULTS as possible, you see? So if you are somewhere and you see that you are not at your optimal strength because something is leaking, you cannot achieve most results. Some other place, you can see the results of what you are doing. (L) So if you're not seeing results in your life, you need to rethink what's going on. (Ark) Yeah. Very precisely put! (L) Anybody else got any questions on it? (Chu) Just a comment. I would say that if it applied like Perceval was saying to us, or the US community for example, to be preparing for aiding and receiving other people, in order to do that even more, we need those that are in the outer edges to be doing what is possible... (L) ...so that we can receive them! A: Yes yes yes!! Q: (Chu) It's not that they should just sit and wait... A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! Q: (Perceval) So that last answer then was that there's a need in these particular times, that means people that are out there in the network need to be networking and expanding the network and helping each other. (L) In the center of the network which is where we and the people in the US house are, they need to be prepared and ready. In other words, people on the outer edges of the network can stay where they are for now and be part of the network and know that if the circumstances or conditions transpire, they DO have a place to go. A: Where you put your energy, including funding, is where your heart is and where you will be drawn and received when the time comes. [table leg starts squeaking during this answer.] So rather than going out and knocking on everyone's door and trying to save them, one should prepare oneself and work the plan so as to be able to receive those that are searching and ready.........work the plan even if it appears to be waaaaay out! Again very educative and will require much study. Thanks to the C's for providing a light in the raging storm! Kinyash Thanks for sharing. Thank you all team (tribe) in the chateau and else where for this another motivational session . Being on the edge (of this tribe), but part of it, is challenging. As others have already commented, we face isolation even dough we try to share the info whatever way possible. One good way I find is that I share the ideas, the philosophy, the action without trying to convice anybody other than making them feel good about it. I find it is an easier way; make them enjoy the way, make them want more, share the knowledge/ protection, and then do your best without any expectation. Being the group that you are make us stronger to walk the path. Thank you for the new session! Here are the two references to the triple cycle veil from previous sessions for reference: Q: (L) So a person's potential for spiritual advancement or unfoldment is, to a great extent, dependent upon their genes? A: Natural process marries with systematic construct when present. Q: (L) Well, if that is the case, and the aliens are abducting people and altering their genes, can they not alter the genes so that higher level souls simply cannot come in? A: Not incarnative process, natural biological processes. Incarnative involves strictly ethereal at 5th density and lower, and thus is enveloped in triple cycle "veil" of transfer which is impregnable by any means. However, any and all 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th processes can be manipulated at will and to any degree if technology is sufficient. Q: (Belibaste) So this guy we were talking about then, he got lightning struck seven times. He was really afraid of thunder. And his wife was struck once when he was next to her. What is specific in this guy because nobody gets struck by lightning seven times! What is specific in this guy? A: His inner connections. Q: (Belibaste) Inner connections are just... (Perceval) Genetic? A: Can be. Q: (Belibaste) Inner connections, it means the inner connections are faulty because it's a kind of disintegration that was mentioned before? What kind of connections are we talking about? A: Triple cycle veil of consciousness bodies. Q: (Perceval) You asked! (L) I ain't openin' that can of worms! I’ve got other questions to ask. (Belibaste) There are three bodies? What are they? (Perceval) Triple cycle... (L) Triple cycle of what? (Belibaste) What are the three bodies? A: Psychic/consciousness, genetic, high soul family. Q: (Athena) That makes it so much clearer! (Belibaste) If it's not correctly connected... (L) Once they said something like hypnosis was opening a door to the unconscious. So I would say then the unconscious is connected to the superconscious, and then the superconscious is connected to other superconsciousnesses at some other level. But an individual must have... (Perceval) It seems like it's an anomaly with this guy. There's something about his makeup that is different. Otherwise he would not be hit by lightning seven times. (Athena) He just really needed a shock. (Ailen) And they're talking about a veil of consciousness. (L) I don't wanna go in that direction. If we start going there, we'll never get all of our other questions in! But I think I remember them saying something about some kind of triple body. And they were talking about tears in some kind of veil, tears in the ethereal body. That's what they were talking about. (L) Okay, this is kind of shooting in the dark, but... Could it be that somebody who has some kind of genetic, or even an inner consciousness connection to like a negative or entropic entity could attract that sort of thing? A: Yes. Wow! Thank you for this session! Much to contemplate! Thank you all for the wonderful session! Much to ponder!! Thank you all for the session. I appreciate that these come during a time when it is challenging, re Laura's recent injury. It is inspiring to see others working through rough patches. (When is it ever not a rough patch?) I have always found these regular updates to be very helpful in keeping my own direction more clear. There is SO much to do, and I never feel like I'm doing enough. I feel very 'periphery', and all my own efforts seem like they move at a crawl over sticky mud. Promising connections arise which become infused with positive power, but then simmer down and fall away. My local 'network' is filled with excellent, well-intentioned people, but nobody who seems interested in looking at the rich resources here, (on the SOTT site and forum). I feel like an interpreter trying to live by example and explain the whys and wherefores to any who ask, but it doesn't seem like enough by a long shot. I only detect moderate changes around me and I feel a pressure to do more, but I also feel alone. Is there a way to connect to others regionally? I am conflicted about maintaining a certain anonymity, (strategic enclosure) but I don't know how rational that is, if there is maybe too much fear associated with being 'outed' and what repercussions may result. This feels like fence-sitting, and I'm tired of it, but I'm not sure how to move forward. For now, I know there is material work to be done and money issues to continue chipping away at, (that's going well! Half of my debts have been dissolved in the last year.). Right this moment, I'm going to focus and get some more (boring!) paying work done while listening to the last SOTT radio broadcast. Thanks again. Many thanks for the new session ! So interesting ! Furthermore, we have now RT broadcasting in french : _https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqEVwTnDzlzKOGYNFemqnYA thank you for this session. Tribe units are important. Each of us have on in their live, but can you switch them anytime you need or you just bonded to one and can visit others ? Many thanks for the new session! Thank you guys for the new interesting session. :thup: :flowers: Thanks for this session. This session hit me quite a lot, kind of confirmation to continue to work on the "idea" (better say kinda of intuition) I have to "prepare my native village" for the future. In which place of the forum can I ask if some people living not so far from where I live (south belgium) and who want to move to a better place where some people would gather as you are doing in south of France and in the US (if I well understood) ? I said I was "hit" by this session because I really feel like you mentionned in various sentences in this session about "the fact that you act as a proxies for others" - I've been partially influenced by all the sott's community work, but also it's ... kind of something written in me that I have to help people to prepare... I run a lot on intuition and now, my target is to gather as much funds as possible to re-inject them in another company more focussed on gathering interesting "stuff" for the future (read my big presentation about), and also to start to sponsor some initiative in the village, like a collection of seeds (it's an advise for any community), but also a kind of village's chicken coop, and probably other ideas which will "pop out" in the future. Thus, having the help of people aware of what's going on and wishing to help to better organise in the future would be ... a good thing. I was also a bit "hit" when I read about the "farm" in this session. There may be a farm to sell in my native village ... well, to discuss ... coming back to my first question : do you accept, and if yes, where can I post to present my views and propose members who would wish/feel it to gather in my native village, south belgium ? Things are up and running constantly on the FOTCM front. This three links should give you an idea on what it is and how and where to start if you are interested in FOTCM developments: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18136.msg168004#msg168004 https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,16193.0.html https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35235.msg503130.html#msg503130 thank you for this session. Tribe units are important. Each of us have on in their live, but can you switch them anytime you need or you just bonded to one and can visit others ? Hi seiw83, the idea I think is that this group here, on the Forum, is a single Tribal Unit and wherever you happen to be you are working towards the shared aims here with the goal of coming together with others (here) when the time is right. So, what you do everyday towards this helps others to help you in a way. thanks enio for your insight. I don;t know if you ever heard about human design system. There are tribal units and tribal channels mentioned, as design to energy centers. All based on astrological position of plants. By design and transit you can define tribe roles for each person. :huh: Interesting regarding the French situation with Holland's visit to Putin especially given his warning of a false flag op as the infamous Sorcha Faal speaks of it.... at certain aspects of it anyway. Add in the ship issue and the usual central bank gold reserves issue and an unpopular politician with Le Pen breathing down his neck along with his old nemesis and it would make any weak political puppet feel his strings when they get plucked... and he isn't alone in these feelings in the EU, just more likely to look for an exit. _http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1824.htm Thanks for another great session. After reading about the farm and how taking that step changed reality in a significant way I was astounded. That is insane.. well not really, the world we live in is insane, but to realize how a this quantum reality works is mind blowing. It dawned on me how useless all my anticipation is when nothing ever works out the way we imagine it. It's also interesting to note the fervor that is picking up on social media. In just a few months it feels like calling out the lies has become less stepping on eggshells and more of a widely accepted view. Of course the lack of careful maneuvering on the part of the PTB is making it especially easy for the truth to come out. I'm very curious to see how this turns out assuming I'll be here awhile yet. Interesting indeed. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. The last few sessions have certainly gotten my attention. A sort of "call to duty" for those of us on the edge of the network. Lurking. Struggling. It's a struggle to even write this post. It seems that every force possible wants me to not send it. To stay on the fence. To second guess myself. I apologize this is short and disjointed but I have to get it out. I'm interested in contributing more. I don't enough at all. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. The last few sessions have certainly gotten my attention. A sort of "call to duty" for those of us on the edge of the network. Lurking. Struggling. It's a struggle to even write this post. It seems that every force possible wants me to not send it. To stay on the fence. To second guess myself. I apologize this is short and disjointed but I have to get it out. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. The last few sessions have certainly gotten my attention. A sort of "call to duty" for those of us on the edge of the network. Lurking. Struggling. It's a struggle to even write this post. It seems that every force possible wants me to not send it. To stay on the fence. To second guess myself. I apologize this is short and disjointed but I have to get it out. Thank you for writing this Quinault. I feel the same way. I've also been "sitting on the fence" for way too long. I even joined the FOTCM quite some time ago and I'm still not an active member. And I know why. It's because no one knows me. And that's because I rarely participate on the Forum. And just like you, this is a struggle to even write this post. I think the force that wants me to not send it is myself. My self importance, the fear of what others might think of me. The last few sessions have really gotten my attention as well. I feel like time is running out (for real), and all I'm worried about is what others might think of me. To heck with that. I'm going to start participating if it kills me. BTW, your post might have been short but I don't think it was "disjointed"... in fact it inspired me. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. The last few sessions have certainly gotten my attention. A sort of "call to duty" for those of us on the edge of the network. Lurking. Struggling. It's a struggle to even write this post. It seems that every force possible wants me to not send it. To stay on the fence. To second guess myself. I apologize this is short and disjointed but I have to get it out. Hi Quinault Many of us here are struggling as well. You don't have to struggle alone. The 'voice' or 'I' that made you post is probably very small and hard to 'hear' at times. Try listening for it, and the more you listen to and DO, the stronger it will become. Thank you for a very interesting session! Thank you for the session, there are many things to ponder. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. Q: (Perceval) The previous answer was that there is still a need in these times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. That's us doing the preparation, for example, so that we are effectively acting as proxies for all those others? (Ark)I think that the main thing is to achieve as much RESULTS as possible, you see? So if you are somewhere and you see that you are not at your optimal strength because something is leaking, you cannot achieve most results. Some other place, you can see the results of what you are doing. (L) So if you're not seeing results in your life, you need to rethink what's going on. (Ark) Yeah. The bold part especially brought my attention. If I am struggling and not getting enough results, there must be something that is leaking. I interpreted as it means distraction or emotional energy drain like a stress (and it is a big one!) which can easily lead for a loss of attention and dedication. That is why I think it is vitally important to maintain our body physically and psychologically. And the network I think does help us to rethink where we need to work on and what we can do about it. Then, we need to struggle each day, it is very hard at times but that is the only way to achieve results ...by giving. Regarding tribal units, my ex wife and I always thought of ourselves as soul mates. We have been divorced for 12 years now, but the connection is still there. We seem to be more like brother and sister now. I have remained single and her significant other is a person that I also feel connected to. When the genetic aspect of a tribal unit is discussed, wouldn't that also take into account the genetic profiles of families? It was brought up that people who have a soul potential also have a genetic connection by way of family. This seems to be an indication of where to look for your tribal unit. (I have trouble bringing quotes on my android) It seemed like the C's wanted one person to be closer to his children. Right away I made a connection that this was important for him, to be close to his own family, which could be his soul tribal unit, or at least some of the tribe. My son thinks that I am a bit crazy when I discuss things from this website, but he also has a strong desire to gather family into a self supporting group. To make a tribal unit. He thinks we would be stronger, living and working as a group, supporting each other. Very interesting session. A lot to digest like always. ;) Thank you very much Laura and the team for sharing. May the C's be with you. Always. Spasibo (Thank you) :) guys, wath is OCD? Spasibo (Thank you) :) guys, wath is OCD? Hi Lumiere_du_Code, OCD stands for Obsessive–compulsive disorder. Thank you for sharing thos session! It seemed like the C's wanted one person to be closer to his children. Right away I made a connection that this was important for him, to be close to his own family, which could be his soul tribal unit, or at least some of the tribe. I think the message for most of us could be translated as "stay where the soul is, and try to DO as much as you can from there instead of trying to force things when are not yet ready". Thanks for a very interesting session =) Thank you for having and transcribing an new session I think the message for most of us could be translated as "stay where the soul is, and try to DO as much as you can from there instead of trying to force things when are not yet ready". The triple cycle veil, i don't understand, but ofcourse, when the intellect chooses, the chance that the emotional needs and duties get met are slim, and big moves might leave the soul behind. I have lived in an functioning tribal unit, of 25+, with each member having it's own input as in spokes of a wheel. I left after 15 years when the project was well established and staying would be more of the same, to start an even bigger project, outside the town. I haven't had contact since, but i think they know me better than i know myself and still respect me. We would risk our lives for eachother.. If you are fully living a project, carrying it, you will end up co-souling that project. Somehow others will recognise something in it, and you will be awed by the quality of the people you attract. Afterwards there is the amazement how you made all the right decisions to keep the unity and the project going, balancing the tightrope against all odds. Thanks again for the session. I read it twice now. So much info packed into it. It's interesting to see the reactions of members that don't participate much feeling compelled, in a way, to post. If you just try to post more often, it really does get easier. My first couple of years as a forum member (and that was after reading for a few years before registering), I used to post probably an average on one per couple of months. Then as I began posting more and more, it just took off somehow. I think it's really important for members to forget about what others would think of you and think about what you can do for others. It's a good way to struggle to do more for the benefit of all. It's curious that a couple of days ago, Obama got a sore throat (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/06/us-usa-obama-throat-idUSKBN0JK0RA20141206). This part of the story is especially ridiculous: Obama had his annual physical exam in June and was given a clean bill of health by Jackson, who noted in a medical report that daily exercise, healthy eating and a tobacco-free lifestyle had helped the president stay in great shape. The president is a former smoker. So, when he smoked his throat was okay, now - when he doesn't smoke - it's not okay, but tobacco is to blame anyway, right? Also, yesterday Angela Merkel felt dizzy (http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/angela-merkel-suffers-dizzy-spell-but-recovers-for-tv-interviews-631878) during a TV interview and had to interrupt it. Coincidence? Or maybe even the psychopaths in power start feeling unwell too? This was a really interesting session to read! Thank you for asking about the pituitary gland and how to strengthen it! Thanks again for the session. I read it twice now. So much info packed into it. It's interesting to see the reactions of members that don't participate much feeling compelled, in a way, to post. If you just try to post more often, it really does get easier. My first couple of years as a forum member (and that was after reading for a few years before registering), I used to post probably an average on one per couple of months. Then as I began posting more and more, it just took off somehow. I think it's really important for members to forget about what others would think of you and think about what you can do for others. It's a good way to struggle to do more for the benefit of all. I think that recently the C's are putting more emphasis on "connecting chackras" and every little bit helps as in just expressing how you feel as well as what you think. Session 11 October 2014: Q: (L) So, in a sense, what you're saying is that there is a need for the network to expand as in connecting chakras and so forth which is probably what helps with these “helper” things described a few minutes ago. When people are connected, they can help each other, both in and out of the body to make DNA changes and changes in their whole system. So, that's important. Also, people need to graduate when they get these DNA changes going on in their bodies that are helped by their helpers because of their connecting chakras because the network has strength. Does that make sense, everybody? (Pierre) More members, and... (L) And more involved, more doing. (Chu) Not necessarily quantity, though. Because it says strength. (Perceval) Well, that's the question: What is the full tribal unit strength? (L) Does that means quantity, and/or quality? (Data) Or both? A: Both. Q: (Pierre) So when you reach this critical mass, it means you can have this influence, you can have this soul group influence on all the members and trigger these changes? (L) Is that what you're saying here? A: Yes! Thanks for the kind words and advice Stoneboss, BrightLight11 and SeekinTruth. Several things have played into my fence sitting, maybe I should post in a different sub forum if it helps others. It would also probably help me to process it and keep the energy flowing in the right direction. That first post was literally a 3+ hour struggle but now it's definitely easier. Those of us in the fringe of the network should probably commit to small achievable goals to avoid stagnating again. Any nudging and prodding to this end by experienced members is definitely welcome-- I need it. Lastly, THANK YOU to everyone that makes this community possible. It is truly a bright point of hope in this dark world. I hope I can get up to full strength and contribute somehow. Awesome session!!!... Thanks chateau crew for the excelent information and poneration... :cool2: :cool2: :cool2: :cool: Today as I was thinking of the C's ( I don't remember what brought them to my mind) I wanted to check the sessions. And here it was, the new session. Thanks a lot for everyone that contributed for this session to be published. The tribal unit has attracted my attention, that is belonging to a tribe. Once upon a time everyone belonged to a tribe. But now you can choose your own tribe. I had read a book named The Tenth Insight by James Redfield. In this book there is mention of the birth vision which means the reason why you chose to come into this world and how to remember it. Also there is mention of the soul group. Everybody has a soul group, some individuals of the soul group are living on earth and others in the afterlife (fifth density). Today I was in a taxi and talking with the driver (I always do this) I said the last time catastrophes happened on earth the population was around 6 billion but now we are over 7 billion. The driver knew about Atlantis and I told him some more. Then the talk changed course into extraterrestrials. We also talked about the situation of our country. I try to talk about the coming ice age, psychopaths etc. to whoever that listens. Maybe I am sowing a seed or inviting people to think in a way. Maybe they think I am crazy, I don't care. I have to read this session once more and slowly. Hi Lumiere_du_Code, OCD stands for Obsessive–compulsive disorder. Thanx :) my buddy suggested it, was necessary to make sure ;) Thank you for sharing the session. Much in it to ponder about. Thank you for this, too. It's curious that a couple of days ago, Obama got a sore throat (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/06/us-usa-obama-throat-idUSKBN0JK0RA20141206). This part of the story is especially ridiculous: Obama had his annual physical exam in June and was given a clean bill of health by Jackson, who noted in a medical report that daily exercise, healthy eating and a tobacco-free lifestyle had helped the president stay in great shape. The president is a former smoker. So, when he smoked his throat was okay, now - when he doesn't smoke - it's not okay, but tobacco is to blame anyway, right? Now he suffers from secondhand smoking! Also, yesterday Angela Merkel felt dizzy (http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/angela-merkel-suffers-dizzy-spell-but-recovers-for-tv-interviews-631878) during a TV interview and had to interrupt it. Coincidence? Or maybe even the psychopaths in power start feeling unwell too? Could be. Interestingly, today one woman in AmCham conference in Belgrade, while presenting the results of a survey on the "success" of the new reforms, also felt dizzy: _http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Ekonomija/517977/Zeni-pozlilo-na-konferenciji-Americke-privredne-komore Maybe there really is "something strange in the air". Hi Quinault, Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. The last few sessions have certainly gotten my attention. A sort of "call to duty" for those of us on the edge of the network. Lurking. Struggling. It's a struggle to even write this post. It seems that every force possible wants me to not send it. To stay on the fence. To second guess myself. I apologize this is short and disjointed but I have to get it out. Yes I know what you mean. For me, it is very easy to not feel part of what this forum brings because I am not in physical contact with members. I think there may only be three of us or so in New Zealand. Perhaps more? I just wanted to make a list of the things that I am not doing and are on my, 'I really should do that list' that are easy and I have not yet committed to doing: Cold showers regularly Eriu Erolis (sp?) A full keto diet ( part way there) Supplement a bit more with Vitamin C and make up some Magnesium oil (I have it in the cupboard, just need to make it) Donate to SOTT Join FOTCM Read the full WAVE series (just get myself a kindle for Christmas and off I go easy peasy) So those are the things that only require a simple effort but a comittment from me to be more engaged. Then once I do that perhaps another next easy thing will become evident. I do some things well already, and have made a strong comittment to self awareness and observation. This is now a habit. I think also I am able to help a heck of a lot of people in my work and my skills have developed dramatically over the past two years. I also have made more effort to post on the forum. So just thought that a small example of what being engaged fully means to me and where I admit I am not. I think some of these things are not exclusive to this forum, I engage a lot with my community and just giving a damn really makes a difference. Another example is my husband is on a pick up rubbish mission around our town. The response from people is very interesting, so many people have said that they now do it too. It seems that we are taking more care of the surrounds we live in and not just spending time talking about how much shit and rubbish there is, and why can't people put it in the trash. Thank you all for the session. Inspiring to read. Those of us in the fringe of the network should probably commit to small achievable goals to avoid stagnating again. I think this may be key, especially for those of us who feel as if we're really stagnating or struggling in one way or another. I struggle with doing EE consistently, among other things-possibly because I haven't been clear or realistic about what I can likely achieve at this point in time. Maybe because I haven't networked much about it either. Having said all that, I realize that I also haven't spent much time really considering what my Aim is, as a part of this network. Think I might just go review that very topic. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Quinault. Thank you much, and it will be read a few more times, at least. An interesting thing happened where what I contribute on a monthly basis is somehow not being received and have to fix this somehow, having to do with my bank or I'm not sure. Since I had been in this awful car accident, losing my best friend doggie I've not watched some goings-on, but will be sure to rectify. It was not me who denied it on purpose, so you know. I just found out. It's been hard moving around, but also an amazing eyeopener, that could have been so much worse, and wasn't. I was fully conscious, and hanging on to that knowing I had work to do and life wasn't over. By the look of the vehicle one would maybe think different, so many tools like EE are working and I have a strength and calm that wasn't there before. I am in the right place, as strange as it looks inside and out, osit. Thank you wonderful ones. And I hope that nasty health issue with Laura is better. I know you're all here wherever you may resde in body. Thanks Chateau Crew for the amazing session; read it twice already and truly lots to ponder upon ! Especially with regards to tribal unit strength, and the sections below :) It is motivating to know that being fully engaged and contributing to the forum in any way that is possible for us, bearing in mind our current lives - is also meaningful in an energetic sense and can help the tribal unit strength. As the Work and journey is definitely not easy, the answers from this session are very helpful - and provides perspective and a sense of purpose. Thank you immensely again :) A: Keep in mind that some of these types of individuals have protection via STS sources at the global scale. It will be awhile yet before your group or tribal unit achieves that level of projective power. However, it must be said that the critical mass is a lot less than you might expect to need due to the amplification of networked energies. So, keep your awareness sharp and carry on, as there are STO forces in your corner. A: More or less. But be aware that there is still the need in these particular times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. Lastly, THANK YOU to everyone that makes this community possible. It is truly a bright point of hope in this dark world. I hope I can get up to full strength and contribute somehow. Thanks for this session again,thanks Laura and the crew. Every morning I thank god that one day I read an article by Sott.net about food and hunger. This article was so good, so exceptional that it addicted me to more good information. I remember the situation when I was reading the article, I was in a immigration office waiting for papers for my husband, many people where around me waiting in a silence, and bored and impatient, and sad and I was, I think, the only happy person that day in that office, someting in my brain make click! And since that day, since that stupendous article that was like an embrace for my soul, I just read news from Sott and my brain is in better shape. I can not imagine my life without all the information that we have here, not only life is more interesting when you see what is behind the masquerade, but your soul also is more happy. To know that people are aware, working and giving their time, to know also that they are not just aware but compassionate, not being machines but trying to be humans, and also to know that we have a long road where everyday we will learn more and more, about ourselves and about humanity: this is a gift. Evidently in my day to day I am alone, no people of the same tribe but for now that's ok, I know that this solitude is part of the learning. Thank you for the session! :cheer: So much to think about! I have a misunderstanding: in A: Keep in mind that some of these types of individuals have protection via STS sources at the global scale. It will be awhile yet before your group or tribal unit achieves that level of projective power. Whether there can be a typo there, and has to be "protective power", or how in this case to understand "projective", it something that is projected outside? Thanks. I have a misunderstanding: in A: Keep in mind that some of these types of individuals have protection via STS sources at the global scale. It will be awhile yet before your group or tribal unit achieves that level of projective power. Whether there can be a typo there, and has to be "protective power", or how in this case to understand "projective", it something that is projected outside? Thanks. I don't think there's any typo. The tribal unit, through its expansion, reached a higher level of projective power that enable an energy surge that was unfortunately in conflict with the frequency of certain individuals. The Cs mention a projective power because it seems that the energy surge was generated by the group and spread from the group to the planetary realm. Apparently, the surge was due to the closing of two property purchase contracts that might have triggered a positive emotional response among the members of the tribal unit. Thanks ya'll :cool2: I have a misunderstanding: in A: Keep in mind that some of these types of individuals have protection via STS sources at the global scale. It will be awhile yet before your group or tribal unit achieves that level of projective power. Whether there can be a typo there, and has to be "protective power", or how in this case to understand "projective", it something that is projected outside? Thanks. I don't think there's any typo. The tribal unit, through its expansion, reached a higher level of projective power that enable an energy surge that was unfortunately in conflict with the frequency of certain individuals. The Cs mention a projective power because it seems that the energy surge was generated by the group and spread from the group to the planetary realm. Apparently, the surge was due to the closing of two property purchase contracts that might have triggered a positive emotional response among the members of the tribal unit. For what it's worth, that's the way I understood it too. It's not a conscious type of "projection" of intent or anything, just the network energies generated and amplified coming into conflict with the negative energies of attackers/oppressors. I have a misunderstanding: in A: Keep in mind that some of these types of individuals have protection via STS sources at the global scale. It will be awhile yet before your group or tribal unit achieves that level of projective power. Whether there can be a typo there, and has to be "protective power", or how in this case to understand "projective", it something that is projected outside? Thanks. I don't think there's any typo. The tribal unit, through its expansion, reached a higher level of projective power that enable an energy surge that was unfortunately in conflict with the frequency of certain individuals. The Cs mention a projective power because it seems that the energy surge was generated by the group and spread from the group to the planetary realm. Apparently, the surge was due to the closing of two property purchase contracts that might have triggered a positive emotional response among the members of the tribal unit. Exactly Pierre, I felt really happy when you purchased the farm. Even though I am not sure if I am part of your tribal unit but whatever. I just want to mention that it is the intention that matters so for everyone that is thinking about donating money due to selfish reasons, please note that it does not work that way. Everyone should just do what comes naturally and not forcing himself to be part or not part of anything. Just look at Breton how he almost died because he was not true to himself. So if you feel like it is good time to sing then sing and if you feel like it is time to quit your job then do it. Do not let fear dictates you what you should not do. I mean I have a job and I am doing it great. And I am where I am. If I should be somewhere else I would be there and I am sure that I would do my job great there also. So of course I can not compare to the chateau crew because I already have fulltime job and their fulltime job is to make the tribal unit work and do the research and make appointments and maintain the forum and SOTT and to show the way to other people. So they are working for all people, for us. And all who are working for all the good people over the world definitely deserve a paycheck for that. Just like I do receive paycheck every month, I am willing to pay Laura and her team every month as a thank you for everything that I could learn on this forum and SOTT and wherever I was, I was applying the knowledge to sharpen my teeth and my claws. Do not get me wrong, I would love to work for the good of all people but evidently it is not the case for me now, because I just could not find any STO organization. So I am working for the government. But that does not stop me from donating some governmental money to Laura and her team and I can do that without even wanting anything in return, because if they make it then it was worth it. And honestly I do not know where I belong or what is the best for me. So what is left is only faith that this universe knows best and if the universe thinks that I should just die and do there something else then I will gladly do it. Honestly what is the worst that can happen? If everything that is are just lessons then I can only learn. There is nothing wrong and nothing bad. great session could not of come at a better time thank you Laura and team shine on :cool2: Thank you to the entire team. In this session, I met a lot of good things that put me back on my feet. But one sentence regain my energy and confidence. A: Where you put your energy, including funding, is where your heart is and where you will be drawn and received when the time comes. [table leg starts squeaking during this answer.] Once again thank you all for this session. Many greetings from Macedonia :) Thank you all for the session. Inspiring to read. Yeah I agree Cleo, small achievable goals. One thing that struck me and I can't remember where on the forum I read it and I think is in the Knowledge and Being series (another thing I haven't yet watched) refers to when you make a choice your enter a new reality or universe. Something to that effect. I have read that before but just after reading this thread, did it strike me fully. I better comprehended its meaning even though it is such a simple thing. Those of us in the fringe of the network should probably commit to small achievable goals to avoid stagnating again. I think this may be key, especially for those of us who feel as if we're really stagnating or struggling in one way or another. I struggle with doing EE consistently, among other things-possibly because I haven't been clear or realistic about what I can likely achieve at this point in time. Maybe because I haven't networked much about it either. Having said all that, I realize that I also haven't spent much time really considering what my Aim is, as a part of this network. Think I might just go review that very topic. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Quinault. Thank you all for the session. Inspiring to read. Yeah I agree Cleo, small achievable goals. One thing that struck me and I can't remember where on the forum I read it and I think is in the Knowledge and Being series (another thing I haven't yet watched) refers to when you make a choice your enter a new reality or universe. Something to that effect. I have read that before but just after reading this thread, did it strike me fully. I better comprehended its meaning even though it is such a simple thing. Those of us in the fringe of the network should probably commit to small achievable goals to avoid stagnating again. I think this may be key, especially for those of us who feel as if we're really stagnating or struggling in one way or another. I struggle with doing EE consistently, among other things-possibly because I haven't been clear or realistic about what I can likely achieve at this point in time. Maybe because I haven't networked much about it either. Having said all that, I realize that I also haven't spent much time really considering what my Aim is, as a part of this network. Think I might just go review that very topic. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Quinault. I agree as well. It's like a spider web. In the centre there is Laura and the team and on the outer edges there are all people that are supporting them. Therefore the people on the edges are equally important because without them the team would not be having enough resources. So if you are part of the web, then you are also part of the new reality. Thank you for posting this session. One thing that I have noticed, and this could just be me, in my years browsing this forum is that there is not much outreach being done to keep the 'fringe member' directly involved. I guess that I could be considered a 'fringe member' because I don't post much on these forums, but my heart and soul are with the group. Perhaps there could be a portion of the site that describes things that the group as a whole needs done, and a place where people could offer their services. I am not an experienced blogger or forum poster, and quite frankly I don't really feel that is a skill that I require in the grand scheme of things, and that inexperience tends to dissuade me from posting. But I have many skills to offer that fall outside of the spectrum of posting on forums. I would be happy to assist any of my fellow FOTCM members with anything that I can do. I just need a place where I can go to find out who needs assistance and in what capacity. The same goes for the SOTT group, if there was a classified section that could list actionable items, perhaps something along the lines of Trello, I would check it on a daily basis. I am an action oriented individual, as I am sure a lot of other members of this forum are, and I don't feel right sitting at a computer either talking about myself (a little too egotistical for me) or answering other member's questions that I feel have already been answered. I don't feel that I am accomplishing anything. I would really like to 'get my hands dirty', so to speak, and start helping the group in significant ways. I would appreciate the group's opinion on starting, at the very least, a chat room (preferably one with video capabilities) where we can meet each other 'face-to-face' and actually have real conversations. Conversations that can't be cherry-picked and rearranged to suit a particular person's reply. Conversations where the energy is alive and active and can change directions on a dime. Conversations that can't be edited and re-edited. A real person to person conversation. There is also an added benefit to video chat, it really emphasizes who the fakers are. Most people who are less than honest about their motives generally don't want their faces to be seen. I think that video chat would help to weed out those who do not have the group's best interests at heart. I attempted to do this for SOTT a couple of years ago by creating a TinyChat room dedicated to the Cassiopaea ideals. I then brought this idea up to the members here and got absolutely no feedback, positive or negative. I believe that the room is still active as well, but no one ever visited it. The point that I am trying to make is that all people have skills in different areas and that to force one method of networking (i.e - posting in these forums) onto people that may have a skill set or mentality that is not conducive to forums, is limiting not only to the group but to the individual as well. Thank you Laura and Team....hope this indicates you're feeling much better. Might being mindful, prayers and meditating on 'the cause' also contribute towards strengthening the tribal unit, I wonder? Evidently in my day to day I am alone, no people of the same tribe but for now that's ok, I know that this solitude is part of the learning. Same here, but the latest session has given me a new understanding, what "tribal" means, and what my place is - or can be - within the tribe. At the moment I think that I can be of more service to the network by being "in the world". I think I have gained a better inderstanding of what it means being part of the tribe - and this also relieved some of the "loneliness" you have desceibed. I feel much more connected. A: Now it is time to say goodnight and "see you in the psychomantium soon!" Goodbye. (Pierre) They didn't forget, eh? [laughter] (Perceval) So when you go to the psychomantium they’ll be there with a watch saying, "We've been waiting for WEEKS!" [laughter] And they were waiting ? :cool2: :evil: Nais session :) thanks for publishing it. Thanks again to the crew for giving to us by mediating these vital concepts. This session in particular underscored some important lessons that I've been working to assimilate over the past year or so. It seems to be a common experience that as we work on ourselves, suffer and grow, we feel increasingly disconnected/divorced from "the world" while being filled with an irrepressible yearning to be with "our own people." That is, the notion of a formerly unkown family or tribal unit for which we now feel an affinity that surpasses that of our natural bonds. Those who are feeling this call know how emotionally intense it is. Thanks to this network, I've come to realize that there are dangerous pitfalls to be vigilant of when acting on this impetus. On more than one occasion I've wrestled with my machine to avoid taking a drastic leap, jumping ship and leaving all behind to dedicate my to time and energy to working side by side with the châteaux crew. This is a romantic vision, and a worthy aim, but the feedback from my Religion (life) indicated that I wasn't yet a good obyvatel. As we've learned from Gurdgieff and Mouravieff, only conscious effort avails in The Work, and my presence is only beneficial to the extent that I can be useful. So being a good steward is the first requirement. So the C's message hit on this in a very clear and timely way for me; If I choose to participate in the network, I must be a unit that adds a harmonizing energy rather than disrupting the flow. As I continue to breathe, incorporate the dietary changes, and learn how to give more to the network, I'm finding that the urge to jump ship dissipates. I'm left feeling motivated and hopeful that I will grow to a level of Being that can integrate fully into the network as the circumstances demand. Thanks for another encouraging session. (L) In the center of the network which is where we and the people in the US house are, they need to be prepared and ready. In other words, people on the outer edges of the network can stay where they are for now and be part of the network and know that if the circumstances or conditions transpire, they DO have a place to go. A: Where you put your energy, including funding, is where your heart is and where you will be drawn and received when the time comes. [table leg starts squeaking during this answer.] Resonance here. Even though I, too, don't participate often in the forum, I now feel like a member of the family. That's how I feel because this is where my heart is. I also, as some members said wanted to meet you physically because I thought it was the only way to really acquire more knowledge and participate. Actually it happened once, in Barcelona, 2011, but at that time, I didn't know how to express the importance it had for me. I realize now how much of self-importance it involves not to share. When I met you I really felt like I had nothing to say because I was "not enough" whatever. I wanted to be perfect and look smart. So my dynamics were really STS oriented. I now understand this is all about self-importance. Do you really want to share and spread valuable knowledge for everyone willing to ? Or do you just want to feel special, a little better and smarter than others ? Being "part of" those 200 ? It seems like we all lose a lot of energy thinking about what other might think about us, instead of just doing the things that seems right. Why do we lose such an energy ? My guess is that we just feed our self-importance. Time passing by, I realize how much we influence each other, where is our responsibility. This recent post (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,36545.0/topicseen.html) gave me even more courage to be at ease with myself. I now know I am on the good path and that there's no point in loosing one's energy into being harsh about what you should do, what you're not doing, how you should behave and all that is missing to be the one you want to be. Because you are. You just are. You exist without any need to be judgmental about the WAY you are. Thanks to the network that gave me invaluable tracks to understand it. I also realized that I'm really grateful to the Universe, to the exterior world, but am I the same with myself ? The reflection of that Love and Gratitude to my inner self gave me more space to do some others things. I was really harsh with myself, I am learning to be gentle. The more I get rid of identification, the more I am able to act as a conscience of the world, and the right things to do get more and more obvious. There's a lot of work to do. That saying gave me an impressive amount of guilt. But can we just get rid of "a lot" ? There's work to do and it has nothing to do with self-importance. Let's imagine everyone is starving and there's one guy distributing a lot of bread to everyone downtown. Wouldn't you bring your own piece of bread, even though you only have one to share? Instead of thinking, well I only have one, this guy has so much, I'm nothing compared to him. Well, everyone would like you to bring your own piece. That's the picture I have in mind. I don't necessarily need to meet you physically to learn and grow. Again, I know where my heart is. What I value, what I'm sharing and I'm just starting to really think. And I actually have a lot to share, as everyone here. It's again because of our own self-importance that we think in terms of post counts, it is not the proper energy to learn a single thing. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. Q: (Perceval) The previous answer was that there is still a need in these times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. That's us doing the preparation, for example, so that we are effectively acting as proxies for all those others? (Ark) I think that the main thing is to achieve as much RESULTS as possible, you see? So if you are somewhere and you see that you are not at your optimal strength because something is leaking, you cannot achieve most results. Some other place, you can see the results of what you are doing. (L) So if you're not seeing results in your life, you need to rethink what's going on. (Ark) Yeah. (L) Anybody else got any questions on it? (Chu) Just a comment. I would say that if it applied like Perceval was saying to us, or the US community for example, to be preparing for aiding and receiving other people, in order to do that even more, we need those that are in the outer edges to be doing what is possible... (L) ...so that we can receive them! A: Yes yes yes!! Q: (Chu) It's not that they should just sit and wait... A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! I don't feel anymore alone. Because I know I can relate to people here. I know my feelings are experimented by others. And we can really help each other to reflect, realizing it is really powerful. It allows one to take the next step. It reminded me of a quote I saved from Laura : Quote from: Laura on September 21, 2012, 12:40:20 PM Also, the concept of KNOWLEDGE being the key to transitioning is supremely important. All you have to do is think about the Parable of the Talents to get the point. It really isn't important that you have "supreme knowledge" or that you are totally prepared by virtue of that supreme knowledge, what is important is what you do with what you have! Another useful parable is that of the 10 Wise Virgins. Then, there is the "Widow's Mite" principle. If a person is doing all they can with what they have, and the AIM is to contribute to the STO position, then if there are energies of transition/ change/ whatever, those energies will "frequency resonance" match to yours and you don't have to get your knickers in a knot of fear. If you are just doing all you can to gather knowledge, to apply what knowledge you DO have to whatever is set before you each day, with an overarching AIM of "knowing the truth that sets us free" (keep in mind that "knowing" is also LOVE), and being connected to a network striving to strengthen the STO reality/position, you'll be okay! It's not perfection that is important, it is the STRIVING, the continued movement, the refusal to stagnate, the constant efforts to give and help in whatever way is available to you that counts. Do we allow ourselves not to be perfect? Do we allow ourselves, to put it simply ? Also, the remarks on Breton's situation are much interesting. I would assume, I may be wrong, that we all have karmic development to continue with specific souls, and being fragmented is not where we want to get. It's tricky because fears can decide what's better for you. Being part of the network should not involve fragmenting our own selves, quite the opposite actually. The question really is, what does it mean to contribute to the network ? How to be sure you are contributing in the most efficient way, at your own level ? I do feel like I'm contributing at my own level. This sensation is real. I'm mostly sharing out of the network, for sure, but I still feel really connected to it. I will give back to the network while progressing in my understandings. I can see the results occurring in my life, and it is really motivating. Gratitude. Thank you for sharing guys :) Now I see. With all these comments made here on this forum. That already built this union. We are already tribes and at some point we will all join together, as told Cassiopaean . Very interesting session! Thank you for sharing. Interesting session, thanks for sharing. It’s more than fair to state that, thanks to Laura et al, the work which has being done here and around is very valuable to mankind. Personally I am grateful to a number of tips in her sites/books which helped me to fill some gaps, and still do. That’s the reason why I’m here right now; my humble goal it is to deliver some constructive comments on that work. So, I say “tips” because most of the hard work, in my case, has been done with great effort by my own quest and this could not be different. With that said, please let me do some remarks: A STO channeled source is useful but we all know that the process can be corrupted and the Cs are not an exception. As matter of fact are many the inconsistencies found along the transcripts. For example there are a lot of details channeled about the life of Jesus Christ which are quite contradictory with the last expositions that say that Jesus actually was Caesar. I don’t recall all them now, so please anyone correct me if I do some inaccuracy. For example in the transcripts we have the name of his father, his life in the near Orient, his resurrection, his mother-ship, etc. Long after that the Cs palliate that saying actually they were “compelled” to say these false things by influence of channelers’ assumptions. So we can conclude that it is up to each of us to separate the darnel from the wheat. (And if you follow the ketogenic diet, this will be easier. Kidding?). I like the Cs; to me their words are usually very wise; but a special attention is required. Considering this session I'd observe in a modest way that: There are many possible reasons why new forum’s candidates for membership are finding difficulties in the process of subscription (in my case just was smoothly). Though possible, it’s too optimistic to think, in my humble opinion, that the forum has an effective wall of protection against undesired members. Actually seemed that the Cs said and implied that no! This wall is not working yet (at least no properly). So, what is likely then? I think that exist many probable possibilities; for example can be operating STS forces targeting some candidates. Furthermore, by my experience (as professional in the area) while contacting this site I have strongly noticed the presence of rootkits in the site’s computer operational system (I think this is kind of off the topic, so I'll leave details to another time). Anyway I know you site’s administrators paid attention to this before; unfortunately the problem doesn’t seem solved yet as I can infer. At last, concerning the personal questions (PQ) in the Cs’ sessions: I must say that we can see this nice forum and at hand transcriptions because fundamentally of Laura’s efforts. So, IMO some personal questions of Laura, which sometimes are a lot, should be acceptable, in particular those which can help the staff to maintain this space. Also I agree that some personal questions (PQ) have results which apply for many individuals. With this said and in spite of this, can be remembered that since the first transcripts the Cs come saying to stop them (PQ). And in this session, once again, the Cs very clearly asked to stop them (PQ). As they meant, this is because at bottom a personal question aims to help one person who usually after the answer nothing or little returns under a global gamut. So, in my unpretentious view, there is a pressing Cs’ request permeating all sessions; that is, everybody should refrain all personal questions to any extent. It is a hard task; if I had this choice ahead I don't know if I'd be able of succeeding. Anyway as usual the Cs were equitable, so it should be done if we have in mind a whole STO goal. Just saying. Thank You for session. Thank you to all for taking the time and effort to obtain this new information. STS=The mode of infection, the Witeko, that we seem to be infected with, which is what keeps us trapped in this 3D STO experience, seems to be where our battle is won or lost. Shall I say Black with a white dot. STO= ? What would be the equivalent? How can we get to that state? White with a black dot? So far, what I have learned is to be able to put on a white robe, which may be my spiritual being, with the black/STS being held in check, inside??? Am I way off base here? Thank you for posting this session. One thing that I have noticed, and this could just be me, in my years browsing this forum is that there is not much outreach being done to keep the 'fringe member' directly involved. I guess that I could be considered a 'fringe member' because I don't post much on these forums, but my heart and soul are with the group. Perhaps there could be a portion of the site that describes things that the group as a whole needs done, and a place where people could offer their services. I am not an experienced blogger or forum poster, and quite frankly I don't really feel that is a skill that I require in the grand scheme of things, and that inexperience tends to dissuade me from posting. But I have many skills to offer that fall outside of the spectrum of posting on forums. I would be happy to assist any of my fellow FOTCM members with anything that I can do. I just need a place where I can go to find out who needs assistance and in what capacity. The same goes for the SOTT group, if there was a classified section that could list actionable items, perhaps something along the lines of Trello, I would check it on a daily basis. I am an action oriented individual, as I am sure a lot of other members of this forum are, and I don't feel right sitting at a computer either talking about myself (a little too egotistical for me) or answering other member's questions that I feel have already been answered. I don't feel that I am accomplishing anything. I would really like to 'get my hands dirty', so to speak, and start helping the group in significant ways. I would appreciate the group's opinion on starting, at the very least, a chat room (preferably one with video capabilities) where we can meet each other 'face-to-face' and actually have real conversations. Conversations that can't be cherry-picked and rearranged to suit a particular person's reply. Conversations where the energy is alive and active and can change directions on a dime. Conversations that can't be edited and re-edited. A real person to person conversation. There is also an added benefit to video chat, it really emphasizes who the fakers are. Most people who are less than honest about their motives generally don't want their faces to be seen. I think that video chat would help to weed out those who do not have the group's best interests at heart. I attempted to do this for SOTT a couple of years ago by creating a TinyChat room dedicated to the Cassiopaea ideals. I then brought this idea up to the members here and got absolutely no feedback, positive or negative. I believe that the room is still active as well, but no one ever visited it. The point that I am trying to make is that all people have skills in different areas and that to force one method of networking (i.e - posting in these forums) onto people that may have a skill set or mentality that is not conducive to forums, is limiting not only to the group but to the individual as well. Mikha'el, The very technology that you find a hindrance is what you are now using to appeal to our sense of intimacy. I do sympathize with your yearning to be more connected to with other forum members. I remember many pleasant sessions on a now defunct utility called EyeBall that I used to converse with a distant cousin years ago. It was a great way to communicate and converse in real time and I do confess that I miss those days. However; on this forum I have found that many subjects on life issues are discussed very thoroughly and in more depth than could possibly be done in that format. I also am an IT retiree with experience in information technology. Seeing that you are web developer and have various computer skills I find it difficult to see why you do not appreciate the value of this forum in the format that it thrives. While it may be a future possibility to develop an online face to face chat room I think it may be more important at this time to focus on connecting chakras by posting and sharing your ideas and feelings within the current format of the forum. As a web developer I am sure you can see the formidable difficulty of maintaining security and integrity of the principles of the forum and avoiding predator relationships that are discouraged in private meet-ups and communications which an on-line chat room might create. I do think that your previous posts indicate a sincere desire to draw closer to the forum and contribute. I see your ability to communicate as exceptional and appropriate. Why not just continue to share and communicate in this more open and basic format? I truly feel that I myself have not until recently realized that there are flesh and blood people that are discernible by their posts and expressions. This is not a perfect system but I have come to love and respect the concept of "virtual" communications. I did change my icon to one with my face on it because as ugly as I may be it is an expression closer to the real me. And I would also like to mention the choice of the forum software which I find very useful is "Simple Machines" (not an advertisement). I think the direction and wisdom that has been expressed here is something that all of us forum members should consider and be thankful. Maybe the term "fringe members" is unsettling if you feel that is where you are currently residing. But I think it just means that you are always invited to move closer to the goals and direction of the forum which is to grow in knowledge and connect chakras by sharing and communicating. I feel closer to you just having read your posts and hope you will continue to to share. I don't think wanting to see and audibly hear other forum members is necessarily a bad idea but it would take very careful planning I think. Am I just "cherry picking" to respond to your post? Yes, I am. And that is for me the beauty of being on the forum. I can respond to anyone that has an opinion. And maybe I am getting my hands dirty here by personally giving you my opinion. After all things can turn on a dime sometimes and you never know what other forum members are thinking. And yes, I carefully edited this in hopes of expressing myself clearly and considerately (maybe I should re-edit). And, this is meant to be a real person to person response! Also if you want to "do" more you might want to consider joining FOTCM formally if you feel it is your path and true heartfelt direction by viewing this link: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,16193.0.html Your best interests at heart, :):love: goyacobol :cool2: Thank you for posting this session. One thing that I have noticed, and this could just be me, in my years browsing this forum is that there is not much outreach being done to keep the 'fringe member' directly involved. I guess that I could be considered a 'fringe member' because I don't post much on these forums, but my heart and soul are with the group. Perhaps there could be a portion of the site that describes things that the group as a whole needs done, and a place where people could offer their services. I am not an experienced blogger or forum poster, and quite frankly I don't really feel that is a skill that I require in the grand scheme of things, and that inexperience tends to dissuade me from posting. But I have many skills to offer that fall outside of the spectrum of posting on forums. I would be happy to assist any of my fellow FOTCM members with anything that I can do. I just need a place where I can go to find out who needs assistance and in what capacity. The same goes for the SOTT group, if there was a classified section that could list actionable items, perhaps something along the lines of Trello, I would check it on a daily basis. I am an action oriented individual, as I am sure a lot of other members of this forum are, and I don't feel right sitting at a computer either talking about myself (a little too egotistical for me) or answering other member's questions that I feel have already been answered. I don't feel that I am accomplishing anything. I would really like to 'get my hands dirty', so to speak, and start helping the group in significant ways. I would appreciate the group's opinion on starting, at the very least, a chat room (preferably one with video capabilities) where we can meet each other 'face-to-face' and actually have real conversations. Conversations that can't be cherry-picked and rearranged to suit a particular person's reply. Conversations where the energy is alive and active and can change directions on a dime. Conversations that can't be edited and re-edited. A real person to person conversation. There is also an added benefit to video chat, it really emphasizes who the fakers are. Most people who are less than honest about their motives generally don't want their faces to be seen. I think that video chat would help to weed out those who do not have the group's best interests at heart. I attempted to do this for SOTT a couple of years ago by creating a TinyChat room dedicated to the Cassiopaea ideals. I then brought this idea up to the members here and got absolutely no feedback, positive or negative. I believe that the room is still active as well, but no one ever visited it. The point that I am trying to make is that all people have skills in different areas and that to force one method of networking (i.e - posting in these forums) onto people that may have a skill set or mentality that is not conducive to forums, is limiting not only to the group but to the individual as well. mikha'el, not sure why your thoughts clicked with me but they did. Maybe it's a yearning to share with like minded individuals face to face. I think the forum is the best most of us can do right now although l also understand your possible frustration. We hear about how others are sharing and learning together in different groups although we fail to understand that the harmony exhibited did come from pixie dust. Most of us have trouble tolerating our own family members (sad) let alone strangers. A lot of energy must have been expended to form these groups we hear about. My interpretation of your post aside l still give you a right on, right on! :headbanger: I read somewhere that a newbie needs 50 post before they can edit? We hear about how others are sharing and learning together in different groups although we fail to understand that the harmony exhibited did come from pixie dust. Should have been (didn't come from pixie dust). :rotfl: Big thanks for the session! Very educational and interesting, especially for me ( and i belive for many others too who are on the outer edges of the network) the part with Breton. My children, 3 of them are in Canada and the youngest son is here in Croatia with me and my wife. Have a wonderful day and once again, big thanks! Thanks for the session! There is much here to learn from and meditate on. Thank you very much for this very enlightening session! Again... I've just start a new job as estate agent where I live in the "deep" South of France, it's amazing the number of people willing to quit cities and searching for farms, found/erect communities, seeking for self sufficient energy and food, people from very different backgrounds aware of what's really going on currently and/or in the near future. Indeed there are so many abandonned little farms ruined by the system... Thinking about injuries of the triple cycle veil and consequent leaking since reading it first Monday night, it was super worth to publish this personal info. @Quinault @Skyalmian @Stoneboss "I'm interested in contributing more. I don't enough at all." "I've also been "sitting on the fence" for way too long. I even joined the FOTCM quite some time ago and I'm still not an active member. And I know why." When you come to this site and Sott (or the book store) (http://en.pilulerouge.com/) to check, if there is anything new you most interested in, think about that, when you decide to donate even small amounts. What do you value most to read, listen to and have that Laura, Ark and the QFG team publishes? Say those things, list them in your mind, the new sessions, podcasts, books, workshops and try to say something like: - Thank you for the books, thank you for the sessions, thank you the invaluable info that you and the Team gave me! I really VALUE your important work, because thanks to your efforts and research, my life got a lot better! Thanks to you I have found my aim - that I can help you even from afar. I can strengthen the Fellowship from where I live. Thanks to Your research and sharing your results: Laura, the QFG Team, Ark, I truly VALUE your efforts! (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. Q: (Perceval) The previous answer was that there is still a need in these times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. That's us doing the preparation, for example, so that we are effectively acting as proxies for all those others? (Ark)I think that the main thing is to achieve as much RESULTS as possible, you see? So if you are somewhere and you see that you are not at your optimal strength because something is leaking, you cannot achieve most results. Some other place, you can see the results of what you are doing. (L) So if you're not seeing results in your life, you need to rethink what's going on. (Ark) Yeah. Quote from Session 21 June 2014 (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35207.msg502599.html#msg502599) Q: (L) Okay. I'm going to start the discussion with what's on my mind. Actually, there are two things. The first thing is that I noticed that after the last session, a lot of people discussing it in the forum thread volunteered information about what they were doing to help to do this, to do that, and the other thing. We had the impression here that when the information came through that a person must put another on the step behind them, that that meant directly in terms of the Work... That it had to be someone on the ladder, or on the stairway, or on the path so to speak. So, could you clarify that? Is that, in fact, what was meant? That you meant somebody who was really asking and engaged in working on themselves, etc? A: More than that, it means that total engagement in energy exchange with the network. If a person benefits from the efforts of others and there is no return energy, there will be blocks of all sorts in their lives. Q: (L) Okay, when you say, "There will be blocks of all sorts in their lives"... Blocks of what kind? A: The blocks will reflect what it is that they are unable to give. If a person cannot be sincere, they will experience people in their personal lives who are not sincere with them. If a person devalues another's efforts, they will find their own efforts devalued. If you need to unblock a certain area of your life, make the effort to give what you want or need yourself. Q: (L) But are you talking particularly about people engaged in the Work, or just anybody in general? A: Anybody, but double in the work. Thank you :) Thank you Laura & all others involved for this enlightening session (as usual). I was particularly interested in this part about French nuclear plants flight over by drones : Session Date: December 6th 2014 (Pierre) I have a question about those drones. Many drones have been observed over French nuclear plants. Are these really drones? A: Yes. Q: (Pierre) Who is operating them? A: Wouldn't you and the army like to know? Q: (Andromeda) So it's not the army... (Perceval) It's probably just... Okay, so it's not just some locals. (Pierre) It's over the whole country - for weeks. A: Who is spying on everyone everywhere? Q: (Perceval) NSA. (Pierre) Mossad. A: Close enough! Q: (Pierre) Why? A: Keeping the pressure on France. Q: (Pierre) Like a threat. (Perceval) The NSA is trying to scare the French political establishment by flying drones over nuclear power plants. (Pierre) To not switch to Russia, or... (Perceval) ...an "accident" is gonna happen. My thoughts about that affair were : 1/ who is able to plan and realize such an (seemingly military spying) operation ? I doubt it can be any small group, such as any so-called "Muslim terrorists". Only quite (not even medium) powerful groups : powerful countries' army/secret services. So maybe USA, Russia, China, UK, etc. 2/ who are the world leaders in drone technology ? To my knowledge, the USA and Israel... 3/ in the current world strategic context, for whom is it useful to try such an operation ? (that is : a threat against nuclear power plants in France, or against France itself, or even Europe according to the expert in nuclear plants in this article/video : http://fr.sott.net/article/23791-Drones-l-hypothese-inquietante-d-un-expert-en-energie-nucleaire ) Certainly not Russia, because it would give an incredible excuse to their enemies to begin a war (if needed !), if recognized. So, the Cs' answers about the author (NSA, Mossad or CIA etc.) and the aim (keeping the pressure on France - in the context of (c)overt war against Russia) looks quite logical. And there was a mystery (to my mind) that it solves, too : 4/ who is able to do that (flying drones over the nuclear plants of a technologically/militarily developed country such as France, anonymously) to gather informations they would not be able to obtain with a spy satellite ? Of course the USA for instance would probably not need some drone flying over a French nuclear plant - their spy satellites are probably sufficient. But, as a disguised threat rather than a spying operation, it's a lot more meaningful. So, thanks again. PS : planning a false flag (but real) attack on French nuclear plants, and accusing Russia of authoring it, is definitively the American/Israelian (deep government) way to procede ! It's even their own signature (cf. this presumed motto : "by way of deception, you'll do/win the war"). Edit : sentences from the extract put in bold. While reading what Bastian has posted, a flash came to me of the photo platsering the media outlets from the 'unscheduled' meeting 'required' by François Hollande a week or sa back with President Poutine. The French Presidential plane stopped over 'inadvertantly' in Moscow?! Also, considering the event a week earlier with South Stream when Turkey ie: Erdogan clearly went against NATO diktat. In the world of such people, if the french secret service had wind of something in the NATO false flag variety being planned in France in order to blame Russia somehow - i mean there are precedents, that by warning Poutine, Hollande was protecting his country it's relationship with Russia because once it is out in the open, the false flag can simply not go on as planned? That would explain President Poutine's glowing smile coming out of the meeting with Hollande? I may be out on a weak limb here? But i also noticed how right-wing political opponents of Hollande, in Marine LePen, and also Marina LePen, have come out to say publicly how much Russia is an ally of France, since this event?! fwiw Thankyou for the new transcript. I've no idea what I can do from my end. I don't know many ppl (2) who are receptive to all this but in working on them. Regards all Thankyou for the new transcript. I've no idea what I can do from my end. I don't know many ppl (2) who are receptive to all this but in working on them. Regards all Well, don't know if you are on social networks, but you could share SOTT articles and videos there, also Laura's books. Write reviews on Amazon, etc. Basically, anything that may assist with more people knowing about the site and Laura's work. It doesn't have to be pushy or "conspiratorial", just a friendly sharing of stuff you are curious about. fwiw. :flowers: Thanks for the session and sharing. Regarding the psychic stuff. I've recently began to take melatonin again, for one reason or another through some of the weirdes dreaming, I have dealt with a lot of bagagge I've been holding the past years. What is exactly the psychomantum? is just a dark room with a mirror? if that is the case, wouldn't any room with a normal mirror in the night a psychomantum? what could be something similar? what is the mechanism? Thankyou for the new transcript. I've no idea what I can do from my end. I don't know many ppl (2) who are receptive to all this but in working on them. Regards all Well, don't know if you are on social networks, but you could share SOTT articles and videos there, also Laura's books. Write reviews on Amazon, etc. Basically, anything that may assist with more people knowing about the site and Laura's work. It doesn't have to be pushy or "conspiratorial", just a friendly sharing of stuff you are curious about. fwiw. :flowers: I agree. Twittering Sott articles with your thoughts and comments and posting on Facebook really does have a butterfly effect. You network with people who share your views. It's a great medium to support the Aims of our group here. What is exactly the psychomantum? is just a dark room with a mirror? if that is the case, wouldn't any room with a normal mirror in the night a psychomantum? what could be something similar? what is the mechanism? There are quite a few sessions where building a psychomantium was discussed and it's a bit more complicated than just having any room with a normal mirror: Session 970117 A: Time to consider construction of psychomantium. Q: (L) What is a 'psychomantium?' A: Use Latin knowledge. [Group discusses possible definitions] Q: (L) Is that it? Something that's in your mind? A: No. Q: (L) Is it something that you use your mind to direct or control or power? A: Chamber for viewing other realms, possible futures and entities residing in other densities. Need clear depth... such as large polished mirror on stand, which can be adjusted as to angle... walls must be completely covered in black, so as to eliminate reflection... soft, low, indirect lighting. Session 980502 Q: We have our psychomantium built. I am of the opinion that the candle must be obscured completely and you should only be able to see the black depth of the mirror. If you put the candle in front, all you see is the candle... you see the candle light on the walls. You said very plainly: clear depth, indirect lighting only, that nothing ought to be seen, no walls, no reflection, nothing. F**** says that we should put the candle in front. A: Must be able to distinguish mirror. Q: Okay that is gonna be difficult. A: Try the swivel mirror. Q: Well, Ark says that it is not wide enough - it is too narrow. He didn't like it. A: Try it. If straight on, and tilted upward, should work. Session 980808 Q: I thought I was doing everything that had been suggested. A: Light must be placed properly so as to illuminate black depth sufficiently. Also, chamber must be large enough to stimulate relaxed meditative state. And no seams or ripples must be evident in reflection. Lastly, patience must reign supreme, with as little anticipation as possible. Q: So, you are saying that the closet we are using is not large enough... A: We never suggested a closet. Q: How large should the chamber be? A: 10 by 10 by 8. Q: (L) Well, that's almost a whole room! A: Yes. One room idly sits… Q: (L) Now, let me demonstrate. When I use the psychomantium, I arrange things this way... [demonstrates]. I have tried it with this little lamp, and with candles on the floor under the angle of the mirror. I can't see the light, but the illumination is there. Now, which of these two light sources is best? A: Candles. But place properly. Q: (L) Okay, if I am here, and the mirror is there, where should I place them and how many? A: 5 and behind and above. Q: (L) So, I need them behind me? A: Yes. Q: (L) How high above me? A: Just above. Q: (L) So, I have to have a stand or a tall candleabra. What angle should the mirror be tilted? A: 12 degrees. Q: (L) Five candles are a lot of candles. And I'm supposed to look up and to the left. A: The flicker is a key here. These sessions, plus others discussed its use, also. While reading what Bastian has posted, a flash came to me of the photo platsering the media outlets from the 'unscheduled' meeting 'required' by François Hollande a week or sa back with President Poutine. The French Presidential plane stopped over 'inadvertantly' in Moscow?! Also, considering the event a week earlier with South Stream when Turkey ie: Erdogan clearly went against NATO diktat. http://apnews.excite.com/article/20141213/eu--russia_reaches_out-314f993d1b.html In the world of such people, if the french secret service had wind of something in the NATO false flag variety being planned in France in order to blame Russia somehow - i mean there are precedents, that by warning Poutine, Hollande was protecting his country it's relationship with Russia because once it is out in the open, the false flag can simply not go on as planned? That would explain President Poutine's glowing smile coming out of the meeting with Hollande? I may be out on a weak limb here? But i also noticed how right-wing political opponents of Hollande, in Marine LePen, and also Marina LePen, have come out to say publicly how much Russia is an ally of France, since this event?! fwiw Russia reaches out to Europe's far-right parties Dec 13, 5:24 AM (ET) By GEORGE JAHN and ELAINE GANLEY VIENNA (AP) — A Russian loan to France's National Front. Invitations to Moscow for leaders of Austria's Freedom Party. Praise for Vladimir Putin from the head of Britain's anti-European Union party. As the diplomatic chill over Ukraine deepens, the Kremlin seems keener than ever to enlist Europe's far-right parties in its campaign for influence in the West, seeking new relationships based largely on shared concern over the growing clout of the EU. Russia fears that the EU and NATO could spread to countries it considers part of its sphere of influence. And it has repeatedly served notice that it will not tolerate that scenario, most recently with its Ukraine campaign. Europe's right-wing and populist parties, meanwhile, see a robust EU as contrary to their vision of Europe as a loose union of strong national states. And some regard the EU as a toady to America. The fact that many of Moscow's allies are right to far-right reflects the Kremlin's full turn. Under communism, xenophobic nationalist parties were shunned. Now they are embraced as partners who can help further Russia's interests and who share key views — advocacy of traditional family values, belief in authoritarian leadership, a distrust of the U.S. and support for strong law-and-order measures. Statements by leading critics of the EU, or euroskeptics, reflect their admiration of the Kremlin. National Front founder Jean-Marie Le Pen told The Associated Press this month that France and Russia "have a communality of interest." Daughter Marine Le Pen, party president and a strong contender for the French presidency in 2017, envisions a Europe stretching "from the Atlantic to the Urals" — a "pan-European union" that includes Russia and is supported by other right-wing parties. Nationalist Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban perceives prevailing winds as "blowing from the East" and sees in Russia an ideal political model for his concept of an "illiberal state." The head of Britain's euroskeptic Independence Party, Nigel Farage, has said Putin is the world leader he most admires — "as an operator, but not as a human being." Russia offers friendship with a world power. Le Pen and other party officials visit Moscow repeatedly, and Russian guests at the party's congress this month included Andrei Isayev, a deputy speaker of the Russian parliament's lower house. Among other Moscow regulars from euroskeptic parties across Europe are members of Hungary's anti-Semitic Jobbik and Austria's Freedom Party. Jobbik parliamentarian Bela Kovacs — his detractors call him "KGBela" — is under investigation in Hungary for allegedly spying for Russia. While in Moscow recently, Freedom Party firebrand Johann Gudenus accused the European Union of kowtowing to "NATO and America" and denounced the spreading influence of the "homosexual lobby" in Europe. Shunned at home by the establishment, many on the political fringes are eager for the chance to hobnob with Russian powerbrokers, gain air time on RT television, Russia's international answer to CNN, or to act as monitors when Moscow seeks a fig leaf to legitimize elections in recently annexed Crimea. For them, "the benefit is that they can receive diplomatic support from a very high level from a superpower," says Peter Kreko of Hungary's Political Capital research institute. Financial rewards are also incentives. Orban just signed a nuclear-reactor deal with Moscow. France is abuzz over the National Front's recent 9 million euro loan from a Russian bank owned by a reputed Putin confidant. Marine Le Pen describes it as "a perfectly legal loan that we will reimburse perfectly legally," saying the party turned to Russia after being rejected by Western banks. But the transaction has galvanized fears among the National Front's opponents of increased Kremlin influence, with the Socialists calling for an inquiry. Links between Russia and the right predate the Ukraine conflict. A 2005 U.S. diplomatic cable made public by Wikileaks noted close ties between Bulgaria's extreme-right Ataka party and the Russian Embassy in Sofia. And Joerg Haider, the late leader of Austria's Freedom Party, helped powerful Russian businessmen with residency permits more than a decade ago in exchange for what Austrian authorities now suspect were close to 1 million euros worth of bribes. Nor was Moscow's search for allies in Europe always restricted to anti-EU figures. Shekhovtsov sees Putin's friendships with German ex-Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Italy's former Premier Silvio Berlusconi as useful for the Kremlin before foreign policy differences that culminated in the Ukraine crisis made the Russian leader unwelcome in most European capitals. Now the diplomatic gloom is settling in, and Moscow may have few alternatives to courting Europe's EU malcontents in hopes that their strong domestic and EU election showings this year will help further its own interests. Of the 24 right-wing populist parties that took about a quarter of the European Parliament's seats in May elections, Political Capital lists 15 as "committed" to Russia. Many owe their popularity to voter perceptions that EU-friendly parties in power are to blame for the continent's economic woes — a view that could grow if the downturn persists. "What Russia is saying is, 'It's fine for you to be the way you are,'" says analyst Melik Kaylan, in a study for the Institute of Modern Russia. "'You're authoritarian. We're authoritarian. Let's work together against the West.'" Ganley reported from Paris. Associated Press writers John-Thor Dahlburg in Brussels, Veselin Toshkov in Sofia, Bulgaria, and Pablo Gorondi in Budapest, Hungary, also contributed to this report. As for the Holland surprise visit to visit Senor Putin... the first I heard of that was from the Sorcha Faal site: whatdoesitmean A site that is most interesting in that it openly states that they are getting their information straight from the Kremlin... imagine the media circus here in the West admitting the same? Or Tel Aviv etc? :shock: :shock: :shock: Can you just imagine? It's could be disjointed but i'll try to do it as clearly as I can... The matter is "Personal questions in our lives" Recently I've speculated about interactions with people who not involved in the Work properly. In our lives we can see many cases of asking by some person. Often such requests have an egoistic nature (no matter weither narcissistic nor OP\psychopatic person). If we decide give a feedback\help we spend our energy. Since the nature of the most people is egoistic, even if their request looks very pure we rarely get our spent energy back. I understand that the edge between egoistic\clear intentions is very thin but what is the key to see a real intentions? Or key is only experience? We have an intentions to put efforts\provide energy in the network, but some of us are puzzling with "help everyone who ask". Thus, we lose our energy, without energy we can't DO. For example: Someone talk me that he hadn't money and he hunger. I can give him a pie. Another hunger asks me... I give him a pie again and again. Despite of all my kindness an efforts I can't feed them all. But! If a had not been done it and I just have an idea without anticipations is there real opportunity that I'll meet collinear people who have the same idea and we'll open a "kitchen soup", as Laura call it. Thus, we could feed most of them :) Maybe it's incorrect example, though, it's the only came to my mind) Total question: how to distinguish intentions for the purpose to save energy for more constructive DOing? I came across this thought when I was contemplating the links between narcissism and energetic vampirism. The overcome of such ineractions is total lose of own energy an need to get it from others. Serving to self, as we know it. BTW, maybe here is the keys to understanding G's words (paraphrasing) "To become the altruist it is necessary to become the full egoist at first" Thank you for putting this latest great session, fantastic crew. In my opinion, conserving energy and helping others means to read the signs of whether i'm helping an O.P. or a souled thus it's important 'see' who is who thus limit our interaction with them. Of course need to throw in STS vs STO into the mix as well. All these need to have good feedback mechanism, awareness & not being subjective. All in all putting our WORK into usage. Thank you for putting this latest great session, fantastic crew. In my opinion, conserving energy and helping others means to read the signs of whether i'm helping an O.P. or a souled thus it's important 'see' who is who thus limit our interaction with them. Of course need to throw in STS vs STO into the mix as well. All these need to have good feedback mechanism, awareness & not being subjective. All in all putting our WORK into usage. Topic: Helping others... Reniassance, "It's tough because each situation is unique and there's no blanket solution. If you're struggling with something how about opening a thread on the topic and network about it?" I am so lost on this topic my thoughts would result in a mish mash of incoherent noise like most of my contributions. For example: Someone talk me that he hadn't money and he hunger. I can give him a pie. Another hunger asks me... I give him a pie again and again. Despite of all my kindness an efforts I can't feed them all. But! If a had not been done it and I just have an idea without anticipations is there real opportunity that I'll meet collinear people who have the same idea and we'll open a "kitchen soup", as Laura call it. Thus, we could feed most of them :) Maybe it's incorrect example, though, it's the only came to my mind) Total question: how to distinguish intentions for the purpose to save energy for more constructive DOing? Give a pie... or begin to analyze to no end if this is an exercise in futility? Why, if we want to give a pie to a person that's hungry do we have to ascertain this persons problems? I can see this person is hungry and must have problems ... what ... l don't? We all have problems but to do an indepth analysis on a hungry person? Wise? Can a framework be shared to nudge some of us along the right path? hello laura, my name is alpercan, I'm writing from Istanbul, the last session are composed of stupid questions, I hope it would be nice in the future :( hello laura, my name is alpercan, I'm writing from Istanbul, the last session are composed of stupid questions, I hope it would be nice in the future :( If you think that the last session is composed of stupid questions, you are definitively in the :wrongbar: i'm sorry gandalf... Thanks for the session Laura and Crew. They light a fire inside. I haven't been involved in a while, but your work means a lot to me. SWEET!!! your back!!! Wow the last part of the session really spoke to me. I organized a "get together" with My local "tribal unit" { group of friends and like minded people} and during this event I looked around and received the little voice that assured me and reminded me that now was a good time to ask. { I noticed that all the players where in the room} I was able put a scenario forward that got everyone thinking on the same page, a simple question... The look of confusion on some faces and after the jokes died down.... It gave me a chance to tell everyone in the room what I thought was strong in them and what a unique group we made together. If this event was to transpire and how we were to cope. This conversation really put everyone at ease {though very personally thought provoking for some} I feel much better for this time. It's could be disjointed but i'll try to do it as clearly as I can... The matter is "Personal questions in our lives" Recently I've speculated about interactions with people who not involved in the Work properly. In our lives we can see many cases of asking by some person. Often such requests have an egoistic nature (no matter weither narcissistic nor OP\psychopatic person). If we decide give a feedback\help we spend our energy. Since the nature of the most people is egoistic, even if their request looks very pure we rarely get our spent energy back. I understand that the edge between egoistic\clear intentions is very thin but what is the key to see a real intentions? Or key is only experience? We have an intentions to put efforts\provide energy in the network, but some of us are puzzling with "help everyone who ask". Thus, we lose our energy, without energy we can't DO. I think a key for understanding a real intentions of others (and ourselves) is, as you said, experience. Just questioning it and speculations as you do it in your post for me is a sign that you want to understand it, learn more about it and you have a desire to work on it. So, just keep doing it. From my understanding, it's a process and we may not be able to see this process clearly, but as long as you're doing your Work and networking you don't have to worry. I found one thread that could be interesting to you - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9245.0.html. Thanks for yet another interesting session! The stand out information byte for me is increasing tribal strength, and that one can do so by being here, fulfilling our duties to our families, and yet be connected to our spiritual family (the forum). I have underestimated the power in networking and working as SoTT editor, both of which I would like to do more of. And yes, time is a challenge but there are programs that I've identified that stops me from posting or writing. This session is a call to change that. Thanks again, y'all are amazing! Thanks for sharing the session. Give a pie... or begin to analyze to no end if this is an exercise in futility? Why, if we want to give a pie to a person that's hungry do we have to ascertain this persons problems? I can see this person is hungry and must have problems ... what ... l don't? We all have problems but to do an indepth analysis on a hungry person? Wise? Can a framework be shared to nudge some of us along the right path? Really michaelrc i don't really know if there's ever a framework that ever exist or we just create one that suits everyone. One thing i do know is everybody has their own perspectives which is different to one another. Example a dog can cause extreme fear in me but not for another due to being bitten by one since young. Thus dogs affect me more than it affect others. Ever noticed all the esoteric works all talks about a common thing but speaks of it in a millions of ways? I guess this framework is suppose to be 'seen' by those whom ever reached that level of seeing & not by the common man. So that's why the WORK is to prepped us to reach that level. Then there's another obstacle which is the mind. Example lets say that you're suppose to be enlighten by doing a specific set of events say A,B,C. Where C is the last event before you enlighten. Then someone comes along and tell you the secret to enlightenment which is C. But once you know that, the mind will go into overdrive to use that information to further obfuscate your WORK. Meaning you're not even close to enlighten. But nature will sort of 'reset' or rearrange that sequence of events and give you another chance. Maybe i getting too ahead of myself and confuses everyone. I must apologize at this point. I not a guru nor advance being or intellectual just a regular joe trying to get out of this system before everything hits the mud. I'm still learning as i go along. i would like to share with you mine way of removing fear and emotions. I would use this to show the process: Revelation 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won't be death anymore. There won't be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared." There is energy bodies and there is earth body. We know about energetic centers and we know that psyhical body works. I have found that many people miss one thing. Energy goes from chakras to body through meridians or nadis (different names in different system) This is a phrase that a body is a temple to the soul. You can find out how your body is weak and what emotional problems are to live. So why tears. Because you can cry or be angry when emotions comes. When you cry your body became more flexible, filed witch energy, hot. When you are angry your body became more like a wood, cold. It's could be disjointed but i'll try to do it as clearly as I can... The matter is "Personal questions in our lives" Recently I've speculated about interactions with people who not involved in the Work properly. In our lives we can see many cases of asking by some person. Often such requests have an egoistic nature (no matter weither narcissistic nor OP\psychopatic person). If we decide give a feedback\help we spend our energy. Since the nature of the most people is egoistic, even if their request looks very pure we rarely get our spent energy back. I understand that the edge between egoistic\clear intentions is very thin but what is the key to see a real intentions? Or key is only experience? We have an intentions to put efforts\provide energy in the network, but some of us are puzzling with "help everyone who ask". Thus, we lose our energy, without energy we can't DO. For example: Someone talk me that he hadn't money and he hunger. I can give him a pie. Another hunger asks me... I give him a pie again and again. Despite of all my kindness an efforts I can't feed them all. But! If a had not been done it and I just have an idea without anticipations is there real opportunity that I'll meet collinear people who have the same idea and we'll open a "kitchen soup", as Laura call it. Thus, we could feed most of them :) Maybe it's incorrect example, though, it's the only came to my mind) Total question: how to distinguish intentions for the purpose to save energy for more constructive DOing? I came across this thought when I was contemplating the links between narcissism and energetic vampirism. The overcome of such ineractions is total lose of own energy an need to get it from others. Serving to self, as we know it. BTW, maybe here is the keys to understanding G's words (paraphrasing) "To become the altruist it is necessary to become the full egoist at first" Hi s-kur, I've been trying to answer the same questions for a long time. And still do. However, I've noticed that paying attention to details really helps to make a decision which person sincerely asks and who demands. Every time I look at his/her eyes and try to sense what do they say and whether they convince me that this person really needs someone's help or this is only kind of "work" or habit of him/her. Even when someone asks for cigarette I pay attention to his voice and words - some of them just say automatically "hey buddy, give me a cig". It's not an ask they just demand it. I remember a few times when people asked me to sell them one cigarette and when I was rolling one for them we had an interesting discussion on common things. Of course I didn't take their money but I was pleased to share my knowledge (myths, benefits proved by science, etc.) with them on my choice why I prefer organic tabacco to other tabacco products and their reaction along with asked questions was a sort of received energy back that there are still left some people who are able to think and use the logic. I was pleased to see that not all of them buy into BS/propaganda. Another example is when someone asks some money to buy food at shopping center I ask them what do they need and buy it for them instead of giving money. In general I agree that it comes with practice and there is still much to learn. Thank you all for another amazing session. Many topics were touched and discussion resulted into some answers I was looking for. I had always felt myself like sitting on a fence and felt hopeless in terms of not being able to keep pace with group progress because I do have some other responsibilities including my family/kids as the primary one. There are so much info on the site/forum with constant updates and I felt depressed that I cannot read it all. Donations and buying/reading books is one thing which I gladly do however I always wanted to do more but I didn't know how. If we knew some details about ongoing projects (like buying a said farm or any other stuff which require funding, etc.) some of us sitting on the fence would offer even more help I believe. Just some thoughts. Resonance here. Even though I, too, don't participate often in the forum, I now feel like a member of the family. That's how I feel because this is where my heart is. I also, as some members said wanted to meet you physically because I thought it was the only way to really acquire more knowledge and participate. Actually it happened once, in Barcelona, 2011, but at that time, I didn't know how to express the importance it had for me. I realize now how much of self-importance it involves not to share. When I met you I really felt like I had nothing to say because I was "not enough" whatever. I wanted to be perfect and look smart. So my dynamics were really STS oriented. I now understand this is all about self-importance. Do you really want to share and spread valuable knowledge for everyone willing to ? Or do you just want to feel special, a little better and smarter than others ? Being "part of" those 200 ? It seems like we all lose a lot of energy thinking about what other might think about us, instead of just doing the things that seems right. Why do we lose such an energy ? My guess is that we just feed our self-importance. Time passing by, I realize how much we influence each other, where is our responsibility. This recent post (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,36545.0/topicseen.html) gave me even more courage to be at ease with myself. I now know I am on the good path and that there's no point in loosing one's energy into being harsh about what you should do, what you're not doing, how you should behave and all that is missing to be the one you want to be. Because you are. You just are. You exist without any need to be judgmental about the WAY you are. Thanks to the network that gave me invaluable tracks to understand it. I also realized that I'm really grateful to the Universe, to the exterior world, but am I the same with myself ? The reflection of that Love and Gratitude to my inner self gave me more space to do some others things. I was really harsh with myself, I am learning to be gentle. The more I get rid of identification, the more I am able to act as a conscience of the world, and the right things to do get more and more obvious. There's a lot of work to do. That saying gave me an impressive amount of guilt. But can we just get rid of "a lot" ? There's work to do and it has nothing to do with self-importance. Let's imagine everyone is starving and there's one guy distributing a lot of bread to everyone downtown. Wouldn't you bring your own piece of bread, even though you only have one to share? Instead of thinking, well I only have one, this guy has so much, I'm nothing compared to him. Well, everyone would like you to bring your own piece. That's the picture I have in mind. I don't necessarily need to meet you physically to learn and grow. Again, I know where my heart is. What I value, what I'm sharing and I'm just starting to really think. And I actually have a lot to share, as everyone here. It's again because of our own self-importance that we think in terms of post counts, it is not the proper energy to learn a single thing. Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. Q: (Perceval) The previous answer was that there is still a need in these times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. That's us doing the preparation, for example, so that we are effectively acting as proxies for all those others? (Ark) I think that the main thing is to achieve as much RESULTS as possible, you see? So if you are somewhere and you see that you are not at your optimal strength because something is leaking, you cannot achieve most results. Some other place, you can see the results of what you are doing. (L) So if you're not seeing results in your life, you need to rethink what's going on. (Ark) Yeah. (L) Anybody else got any questions on it? (Chu) Just a comment. I would say that if it applied like Perceval was saying to us, or the US community for example, to be preparing for aiding and receiving other people, in order to do that even more, we need those that are in the outer edges to be doing what is possible... (L) ...so that we can receive them! A: Yes yes yes!! Q: (Chu) It's not that they should just sit and wait... A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! I don't feel anymore alone. Because I know I can relate to people here. I know my feelings are experimented by others. And we can really help each other to reflect, realizing it is really powerful. It allows one to take the next step. It reminded me of a quote I saved from Laura : Quote from: Laura on September 21, 2012, 12:40:20 PM Also, the concept of KNOWLEDGE being the key to transitioning is supremely important. All you have to do is think about the Parable of the Talents to get the point. It really isn't important that you have "supreme knowledge" or that you are totally prepared by virtue of that supreme knowledge, what is important is what you do with what you have! Another useful parable is that of the 10 Wise Virgins. Then, there is the "Widow's Mite" principle. If a person is doing all they can with what they have, and the AIM is to contribute to the STO position, then if there are energies of transition/ change/ whatever, those energies will "frequency resonance" match to yours and you don't have to get your knickers in a knot of fear. If you are just doing all you can to gather knowledge, to apply what knowledge you DO have to whatever is set before you each day, with an overarching AIM of "knowing the truth that sets us free" (keep in mind that "knowing" is also LOVE), and being connected to a network striving to strengthen the STO reality/position, you'll be okay! It's not perfection that is important, it is the STRIVING, the continued movement, the refusal to stagnate, the constant efforts to give and help in whatever way is available to you that counts. Do we allow ourselves not to be perfect? Do we allow ourselves, to put it simply ? Also, the remarks on Breton's situation are much interesting. I would assume, I may be wrong, that we all have karmic development to continue with specific souls, and being fragmented is not where we want to get. It's tricky because fears can decide what's better for you. Being part of the network should not involve fragmenting our own selves, quite the opposite actually. The question really is, what does it mean to contribute to the network ? How to be sure you are contributing in the most efficient way, at your own level ? I do feel like I'm contributing at my own level. This sensation is real. I'm mostly sharing out of the network, for sure, but I still feel really connected to it. I will give back to the network while progressing in my understandings. I can see the results occurring in my life, and it is really motivating. Gratitude. Thanks Starshine for your thoughts which truly resonate with mines. The last session has given me some strength and confidence that we should do everything what we can towards the aim, even if it initially may look as a small step only but it is still a progress. You made a good note on self-importance or ego which is one of the things we should be working on in order to rise our FVR in terms of STO Candidate's profile. Mikha'el said: I am an action oriented individual, as I am sure a lot of other members of this forum are, and I don't feel right sitting at a computer either talking about myself (a little too egotistical for me) or answering other member's questions that I feel have already been answered. I don't feel that I am accomplishing anything. I would really like to 'get my hands dirty', so to speak, and start helping the group in significant ways. Saying that Mikha'el is an "action oriented man" is a huge understatement. For one thing his post has "acted" as an immediate catalyst moving me into posting for the first time in years. Yes, talk about fringe members... I think I'm right there at the top! I just felt so closely identified with all the feelings he expressed I had to say thanks for taking the time to express them. I too don't feel much inclined to siiting in front of a computer for any length of time, even if it is with the aim to connect with forum members and discuss important topics like this one. I spend 7 hours a day in front of one, only because that's my job and I have wife and kids to support, and at the end of the day I choose to suffer yet a little more of that (staring at the screen made me develop dry-eye syndrom to the point where I have to use prescription eye-drops every other day) only because there is a forum called Cassiopaea. I too am an action oriented man. I purchased a farm seven years ago, 2 acres, high on a mountain, mostly beautiful forests but with some arable land too, built me a wooden cabin with a brick chimney, no electrical power, set up a rain-water collector, a greenery where I grow seedlings of various vegetables that then transplanted to soil turn into beautiful cabbages, tomatoes, sweet peppers, etc., and every Friday I drive from town the whole 40 miles stretch up the mountains to this refuge of mine where I've endeavoured so to turn make a sanctuary. Have talked to many people about the need to "re-shuffle priorities" and put learning about the true nature of things back on top, but still find me a sort of Steppenwolf, not at all bitter but somewhat out of place in a world where people are mostly concerned with getting the latest iPad, plasma TV, or whatever. I know some tiny butterfly wings are being fluttered here, though I sometimes get discouraged... Thanks again Mikha'el. Rod Give a pie... or begin to analyze to no end if this is an exercise in futility? Why, if we want to give a pie to a person that's hungry do we have to ascertain this persons problems? I can see this person is hungry and must have problems ... what ... l don't? We all have problems but to do an indepth analysis on a hungry person? Wise? Can a framework be shared to nudge some of us along the right path? Really michaelrc i don't really know if there's ever a framework that ever exist or we just create one that suits everyone. One thing i do know is everybody has their own perspectives which is different to one another. Example a dog can cause extreme fear in me but not for another due to being bitten by one since young. Thus dogs affect me more than it affect others. Ever noticed all the esoteric works all talks about a common thing but speaks of it in a millions of ways? I guess this framework is suppose to be 'seen' by those whom ever reached that level of seeing & not by the common man. So that's why the WORK is to prepped us to reach that level. Then there's another obstacle which is the mind. Example lets say that you're suppose to be enlighten by doing a specific set of events say A,B,C. Where C is the last event before you enlighten. Then someone comes along and tell you the secret to enlightenment which is C. But once you know that, the mind will go into overdrive to use that information to further obfuscate your WORK. Meaning you're not even close to enlighten. But nature will sort of 'reset' or rearrange that sequence of events and give you another chance. Maybe i getting too ahead of myself and confuses everyone. I must apologize at this point. I not a guru nor advance being or intellectual just a regular joe trying to get out of this system before everything hits the mud. I'm still learning as i go along. Thank you A.K. for responding. Anouther forum member referenced Pepperfritz's post. Wow, this understanding has been hashed out much more than many of us new to posting on the forum probably have realized. Anyway Pepperfritz's post... Service to Others & Service to Self (from the Cassiopaea Glossary): C's: STO is balance because you serve self through others.... STS is imbalance.... STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point.... An STS vehicle does not learn to be an STO candidate by determining the needs of another.... STO gives all to those who ask.... All Who Ask (from the Cassiopaea Glossary): The Cassiopaea material states that a service to others being gives all to those who ask. This invites the question of what is meant by giving and by asking and who truly are the parties of the exchange. The crux of the matter is the difference between asking and manipulation. Manipulation seeks to control the manipulated and thus by definition limit the other's free will. Asking is an open-ended request which leaves the response up to the other party. Manipulation generally implies covert intent whereas asking generally does not. Distinguishing the two is difficult and not always clear-cut. Furthermore, humans generally neither ask nor manipulate as a single, unified being. More often than not, people are amalgams of contradicting programs and impulses, some of them tending towards STS, some maybe towards STO. Acceding to manipulation generally amplifies the STS-ness of the manipulator. Thus for STO to be expressed, manipulation should be refused. Asking by people can be highly ambiguous and contradictory. For example, some people may actually ask to be refused when they make excessive demands. With proper discernment, one can give to the STO-tending parts of another and deny from the STS-tending parts of the same person. Denying manipulation may be seen to be doing a favor to the part which does not wish to take unfair advantage, should there be such a part. We may consider for example lies to be an indirect request for truth. Thus giving all could be said to be giving all things their due, in accordance with upholding the principle of service to others. Discerning the true nature of the asking/request/manipulation is key here. As with any general principle, this cannot be applied mechanically, without awareness of context. While our first connotation for giving is an exchange between persons, the idea is not limited to this. We can speak of giving all to a principle, as in dedicating one's life to a cause. We could say that making service to others oriented esoteric information available is a giving to the principle of free will. This is on one hand a response to a spirit of spiritual questing that exists among people often disillusioned with standard religion or the New Age, on the other hand a response to the lies and half truths promoted by the control system under the guise of these same movements. In this world of mixed contents, the motives of giving, whether for personal satisfaction or as an expression of alignment with an impersonal principle cannot always be distinguished nor do they occur separately. Pure expressions of STO or STS are rare.... Give a pie... or begin to analyze to no end if this is an exercise in futility? Why, if we want to give a pie to a person that's hungry do we have to ascertain this persons problems? I can see this person is hungry and must have problems ... what ... l don't? We all have problems but to do an indepth analysis on a hungry person? Wise? Can a framework be shared to nudge some of us along the right path? Really michaelrc i don't really know if there's ever a framework that ever exist or we just create one that suits everyone. One thing i do know is everybody has their own perspectives which is different to one another. Example a dog can cause extreme fear in me but not for another due to being bitten by one since young. Thus dogs affect me more than it affect others. Ever noticed all the esoteric works all talks about a common thing but speaks of it in a millions of ways? I guess this framework is suppose to be 'seen' by those whom ever reached that level of seeing & not by the common man. So that's why the WORK is to prepped us to reach that level. Then there's another obstacle which is the mind. Example lets say that you're suppose to be enlighten by doing a specific set of events say A,B,C. Where C is the last event before you enlighten. Then someone comes along and tell you the secret to enlightenment which is C. But once you know that, the mind will go into overdrive to use that information to further obfuscate your WORK. Meaning you're not even close to enlighten. But nature will sort of 'reset' or rearrange that sequence of events and give you another chance. Maybe i getting too ahead of myself and confuses everyone. I must apologize at this point. I not a guru nor advance being or intellectual just a regular joe trying to get out of this system before everything hits the mud. I'm still learning as i go along. Thank you A.K. for responding. Anouther forum member referenced Pepperfritz's post. Wow, this understanding has been hashed out much more than many of us new to posting on the forum probably have realized. Anyway Pepperfritz's post... Service to Others & Service to Self (from the Cassiopaea Glossary): C's: STO is balance because you serve self through others.... STS is imbalance.... STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point.... An STS vehicle does not learn to be an STO candidate by determining the needs of another.... STO gives all to those who ask.... All Who Ask (from the Cassiopaea Glossary): The Cassiopaea material states that a service to others being gives all to those who ask. This invites the question of what is meant by giving and by asking and who truly are the parties of the exchange. In this world of mixed contents, the motives of giving, whether for personal satisfaction or as an expression of alignment with an impersonal principle cannot always be distinguished nor do they occur separately. Pure expressions of STO or STS are rare.... For a long time now I have thought that all through the transcripts the example of the Cs themselves is an excellent object lesson in how to give with consideration and concern for the needs of those who ask. Thank you michaelrc for finding the quote "All Who Ask" from the glossary. I had wanted to reply with that too but did not know where to find it. What is more I am sure I have read similar sentiments from the Cs else where in the transcripts. Very interesting and helpful session, to say the least! Thank you all!! Very interesting that even though I've been reading Laura's work, and SOTT and Cassiopaea.org for a few years now, the reason I finally joined the Forum was because of my yearning for a connection with a tribe - more specifically a like-minded tribe. I haven't posted a lot because I've been reading SO MUCH of the recommended reading list and the Forum so that I don't ask too many repetitive questions. Have learned so much in such a short time and it is just making me so thirsty for more. I love that we have this forum as a tool for learning and networking; Many many thanks!! Thank you for sharing the session! All Who Ask (from the Cassiopaea Glossary): The Cassiopaea material states that a service to others being gives all to those who ask. This invites the question of what is meant by giving and by asking and who truly are the parties of the exchange. The crux of the matter is the difference between asking and manipulation. Manipulation seeks to control the manipulated and thus by definition limit the other's free will. Asking is an open-ended request which leaves the response up to the other party. Manipulation generally implies covert intent whereas asking generally does not. Distinguishing the two is difficult and not always clear-cut. Furthermore, humans generally neither ask nor manipulate as a single, unified being. More often than not, people are amalgams of contradicting programs and impulses, some of them tending towards STS, some maybe towards STO. Acceding to manipulation generally amplifies the STS-ness of the manipulator. Thus for STO to be expressed, manipulation should be refused. Asking by people can be highly ambiguous and contradictory. For example, some people may actually ask to be refused when they make excessive demands. With proper discernment, one can give to the STO-tending parts of another and deny from the STS-tending parts of the same person. Denying manipulation may be seen to be doing a favor to the part which does not wish to take unfair advantage, should there be such a part. We may consider for example lies to be an indirect request for truth. Thus giving all could be said to be giving all things their due, in accordance with upholding the principle of service to others. Discerning the true nature of the asking/request/manipulation is key here. As with any general principle, this cannot be applied mechanically, without awareness of context. While our first connotation for giving is an exchange between persons, the idea is not limited to this. We can speak of giving all to a principle, as in dedicating one's life to a cause. We could say that making service to others oriented esoteric information available is a giving to the principle of free will. This is on one hand a response to a spirit of spiritual questing that exists among people often disillusioned with standard religion or the New Age, on the other hand a response to the lies and half truths promoted by the control system under the guise of these same movements. In this world of mixed contents, the motives of giving, whether for personal satisfaction or as an expression of alignment with an impersonal principle cannot always be distinguished nor do they occur separately. Pure expressions of STO or STS are rare.... Thank you michaelrc for replying with the All Who Ask (from the Cassiopaea Glossary). What is said is right. But as cass said it before, we all from 3d realm are STS until 4d. So i guess that as we are helping others, be it directly or indirectly. There exist some form of manipulation there. Because we want something in return like 'i wanna be STO' or 'Gotta reach critical mass soon so we all can ride the wave soon' kind of inner thought. Just to name a few. And since being STO it's not a prerequisite for going up, but it sure save us some learning or choosing once we get there. Like understanding the basics of 4d first before starting the class. So in the end it doesn't matter what you want to do. Just get out there and spread the knowledge for those who wanna learn. As i was saying it's in the spotting of those who want to learn that determine our own level on the work. The more you WORK the more you see. Please thank forum member, Flow. Flow, advised us to go here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9245.0.html This is where we found, Pepperfritz's post. Please thank forum member, Flow. Flow, advised us to go here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9245.0.html This is where we found, Pepperfritz's post. You're right. I should thank Flow. Thank you Flow. :thup: Session Date: December 6th 2014 Q: (L) Okay. If people are fully engaged in the network, will they receive information in time? A: Yes, the operative term being "fully engaged" in any and every way possible. Q: (Chu) So if they're sitting on the fence, they won't? (Galatea) They have to commit to it. (L) Yeah, but you can commit to something and stay right in your regular life. You don't have to commit to something and just throw all caution to the wind. (Pierre) Fully engaged in every way possible... (L) I think it means what is possible for that person. A: Yes. Q: (Perceval) The previous answer was that there is still a need in these times to prepare to actually receive and aid others in the outer edges of the network. That's us doing the preparation, for example, so that we are effectively acting as proxies for all those others? (Chu) Just a comment. I would say that if it applied like Perceval was saying to us, or the US community for example, to be preparing for aiding and receiving other people, in order to do that even more, we need those that are in the outer edges to be doing what is possible... (L) ...so that we can receive them! A: Yes yes yes!! Q: (Chu) It's not that they should just sit and wait... A: Tribal unit strength should be a goal! Q: (Perceval) So that last answer then was that there's a need in these particular times, that means people that are out there in the network need to be networking and expanding the network and helping each other. (L) In the center of the network which is where we and the people in the US house are, they need to be prepared and ready. In other words, people on the outer edges of the network can stay where they are for now and be part of the network and know that if the circumstances or conditions transpire, they DO have a place to go. A: Where you put your energy, including funding, is where your heart is and where you will be drawn and received when the time comes. [table leg starts squeaking during this answer.] Q: (Chu) I was thinking it's the clearest explanation that it's not where you are, but who you are and what you see that counts. (L) Because where you are, IF you see the signs, you can change your position if it's required. (Chu) Yeah, and people have been worried about preparing, but they're worried about the "where" before worrying about where the heart is. (Pierre) It's not only who you are, it's what you give as well. (Perceval) Where you put your energy. Thank You for another great session! I may be way off base but reflecting on the reference above to "Tribal Unit strength" what comes to mind is what is purported as "the Hundredth Monkey" effect in raising consciousness and reaching a critical mass in higher vibration. With those thoughts, The Chateau is the main active nucleus or beacon and by extension, the U.S. House, that those who actively network and involve themselves in it's mandated tenets can work towards "tapping" into the universal mind of the Tribal Unit, through biofeedback in the form of intuition and gut feelings. The matching frequency vibration and it's strength would be the main mitigating factor in tapping into the active nucleus, with location, only as a reference. Simply stated, The Chateau has been established as a working unit and sending out a signal. It's up to us to work in unity to connect and tap into that frequency to complete the loop, thus expanding it's bandwith in all directions. By working towards a common goal, we help ourselves and those around us. Maybe, I'm perceiving it wrong? Thank you angelburst29 for mentioning this. I think you're right. The chateau & Laura created the platform for the rest of the world to connect with each other thus by networking & growing together. All potentials can be realized thus reaching critical mass and bringing positive changes into this realm. However, my question is those who are in the tribal unit has to reach the 2nd threshold and beyond? I have a question for the cassiopeaens: I have followed this for at least a decade and it seems to me, that on my personal quest of gold timing, that these have several, several times addressed answers that seem to me NOT POSSIBLY addressed to anyone else reading this material than myself. for instance, "for those those who believe in a fixed future" "They are far too clever for market timers" "They have fixed things to the latest time" Signed Auro/MichaelH Just ask about Auro. Thank you all for another enlightening session!! Thank you angelburst29 for mentioning this. I think you're right. The chateau & Laura created the platform for the rest of the world to connect with each other thus by networking & growing together. All potentials can be realized thus reaching critical mass and bringing positive changes into this realm. However, my question is those who are in the tribal unit has to reach the 2nd threshold and beyond? I am not sure which author or book you are referring to when you mention "the 2nd threshold and beyond?". Mouravieff's Gnosis I describes the first threshold as: CHAPTER XXI 224 The gulf between the wishes and the abilities of modern man. Evolution can fill this gulf. Knowledge, understanding and savoir-faire. The Androgyne. Return to pre-adamic unity by fusion of two polar Individualities. Halted growth and development of Personality an obstacle to such a fusion. Personality must be developed all along the Staircase to full expression. Desire, faith, strength and discernment. Love. The plane of eternity as the domain of the possible. Realization in Time. Pseudo-reincarnation. True reincarnation: conscious, voluntary, and individual, situated entirely in time. The original film as it is conceived in eternity. Its introduction into time. The eternal return in a so-called reincarnation; unconscious, involuntary and non-individual. Teams. Free movements of exterior man form the original film, which turns approximately in a spiral. Karma. Conscious efforts can transform the film. Collective pseudo-reincarnation, conscious work on the film, neutralization of Karma and the return to the original film. Esoteric shortcut by the joint work and conscious efforts of two polar beings forming one Microcosmos. Fundamental importance of finding and recognizing the polar being. Prerequisite: renouncing free movements. Criteria of polarity. Crossing the first Threshold needs renunciation; the second Threshold needs a positive program. While Mouravieff seems to focus on the ideal of merging with our polar opposite (finding and recognizing the polar being) I think his concept might be applied to a "network" as well. Notice that his refers to "Teams" and "joint work". I have wondered where I fall in the threshold, staircase scenario myself many times. I have not read Mouravieff and many other books in awhile but try to ponder their meaning and significance. By trying to answer your question I am learning with you. If the second Threshold needs a positive program then here is Mouravieff's chapter description: CHAPTER XX 203 Exercises aimed at acquiring the real Present. Mastering the body and the Personality, and making contact with higher levels of Consciousness. Eight groups of physical and mental exercises — breathing techniques form a bridge between them. Passive constatation. The higher exercises: concentration, contemplation and ecstasy. Diagram of the Way. Seven sections and three Thresholds: the first, from the wilderness to the Staircase, leads to the second Threshold. Once crossed, the disciple then enters the Way itself, leading to the third Threshold. The limit of evolution in terrestrial conditions. Description of the stages of the Way. I may be wrong but I believe if we have found the forum we are probably coming out of the "wilderness" and at least approaching the Staircase IMHO. So if that is the case we must be at least getting a glimpse of "the Way" which is beyond the "second Threshold"? Perhaps (even for myself) as we see through and beyond that 2nd Threshold the steps become more and more visible to our higher intellect and emotions. As the C's encourage us to "network"/Teamwork we will gradually see and connect more dots/steps as we go along. They even are encouraging us to develop a Tribal Unit! Thank you goyacobol for taking time to reply. Yes i was referring to the Gnosis by Mouravieff. Looks like i have to go back to the Gnosis for more understanding for what's beyond the 2nd threshold. Well back to the tribal unit thingy, the wiki says that: A tribe is viewed, historically or developmentally, as a social group existing before the development of, or outside of, states. Many people used the term "tribal society" to refer to societies organized largely on the basis of social, especially familial, descent groups (see clan and kinship). A customary tribe in these terms is a face-to-face community, relatively bound by kinship relations, reciprocal exchange, and strong ties to place.[1] The word that caught my eye is 'kinship'. To my understanding this means that cass wants us to be more knitted together sort of like a soul family. Balancing each and everyone in this tribal unit to a common frequency and raise this frequency as a family. Thus gaining protection together as a group just like what Laura & the amazing crew has done. But as cass says before we still not at the required tribal unit level. As far as i see there are a lot of people here better in terms understanding and intellect in the WORK. So i can't seems to understand what is the real actual element here that we're missing. Is it in doing more networking? Sharing more knowledge between each other or gaining understanding to the knowledge that we've attained? Thank you goyacobol for taking time to reply. Yes i was referring to the Gnosis by Mouravieff. Looks like i have to go back to the Gnosis for more understanding for what's beyond the 2nd threshold. Well back to the tribal unit thingy, the wiki says that: A tribe is viewed, historically or developmentally, as a social group existing before the development of, or outside of, states. Many people used the term "tribal society" to refer to societies organized largely on the basis of social, especially familial, descent groups (see clan and kinship). A customary tribe in these terms is a face-to-face community, relatively bound by kinship relations, reciprocal exchange, and strong ties to place.[1] The word that caught my eye is 'kinship'. To my understanding this means that cass wants us to be more knitted together sort of like a soul family. Balancing each and everyone in this tribal unit to a common frequency and raise this frequency as a family. Thus gaining protection together as a group just like what Laura & the amazing crew has done. But as cass says before we still not at the required tribal unit level. As far as i see there are a lot of people here better in terms understanding and intellect in the WORK. So i can't seems to understand what is the real actual element here that we're missing. Is it in doing more networking? Sharing more knowledge between each other or gaining understanding to the knowledge that we've attained? Yes, I think it is more sharing of the knowledge from our individual perspectives and expressing our understanding from the "step" we are on (even if not face to face). I think the C's or Cass are saying we are each a part of a group soul and we will advance as a group if we pull together as the Gurdjieff example of "Women of the Rope". Your post makes me self-remember and my reply may help you to do the same. By holding on to the rope and pulling together we might increase our knowledge and as a result increase the group-soul's level of being. Going back to the Mouravieff threshold concept that you started with I went back to tried to put some of the "pieces" in place. Laura explains the nature of the forum's purpose in Session 06-09-2009: Very good points. And for public readers who wonder what that message to our online school said, I will post it below. Quote Hello to New Members/students and old members/students/teachers. This group is emerging from the lessons that the QFG have learned over the past seven years of group work together. At the inception of this working group, it seems appropriate to discuss what we are and what we hope to do. The C's - our 10 % inspiration that must be matched by 90 % perspiration - have pointed us to "networking" many, many times, but other than clues, don't give us many exact details. As time has gone by, as we researched, experimented, learned, gained experience, we have found that the work of Gurdjieff, supplemented by Mouravieff and Castaneda, Sufism, and some other bits and pieces, seem to fit together like puzzle pieces in the framework given by the C's. This is why, after all this time, we have come to think of the C's and our "public work" as a TRUE 4th Way Work. Gurdjieff describes a True Fourth Way Work as follows: Quote from: Gurdjieff "The fourth way differs from the old and the new ways by the fact that it is never a permanent way. "It has no definite forms and there are no institutions connected with it. "It appears and disappears governed by some particular laws of its own. "The fourth way is never without some work of a definite significance, is never without some undertaking around which and in connection with which it can alone exist. "When this work is finished, that is to say, when the aim set before it has been accomplished, the fourth way disappears, that is, it disappears from the given place, disappears in its given form, continuing perhaps in another place in another form. To me it seems that the main component of putting the pieces together is largely based on our "faith" in the framework and clues the C's are trying to give us. After all would we even be here on the forum if we had not been intrigued by the answers to the questions asked of the C's and their answers? In the past I have had difficulty in relating to some of Mouravieff's terminology due to his "Biblical Gloss" as talked about in Session 07-13-2002: Q: Mouravieff says that there are two kinds of humans - he calls the "pre-Adamic" and "Adamic," (discussed in book III). The idea is that pre-Adamic human types basically have no "soul" nor any possibility of growing one. This is a pretty shocking idea, but there have been recent scholarly discussions of this matter based on what seems to be clinical evidence that, indeed, there are human beings who are just "mechanical" and have no "inner" or "higher self" at all. [See: "Division of Consciousness"] Gurdjieff talked about this and so did Castaneda. Are these ideas Mouravieff presents about the two basic TYPES of humans, as far as they go, accurate? A: Indeed, though again, there is a "Biblical Gloss." Q: Mouravieff says that the "pre-Adamic" humans do not have the higher centers, nor the possibility of developing them in this cycle - which we assume to be the Grand Cycle you have previously described, the length of which is around 300,000 years. Is this an accurate representation of "pre-Adamic" beings? A: Yes, they are "organic" portals between levels of density. Q: Based on what Mouravieff has said, it seems to be so that any efforts to try to raise the consciousness of such individuals is doomed to fail. A: Pretty much. Most of them are very efficient machines. The ones that you have identified as psychopaths are "failures." The best ones cannot be discerned except by long and careful observation. Even though there may be a "Biblical Gloss" in Mouravieff's writings I think that we may find valuable pieces to the puzzle we hopefully are trying to put together. So with the puzzle pieces in mind I would like to return to your original focus on "Thresholds". I will just go back to Mouravieff's description of the Third Threshold with "Biblical Gloss" as the C's have indicated may be his perspective views. In religious terms there is Gnosis II: The Baptism of Water, the baptism of repentance, is given before the first Threshold. This is the consecration in Hope of Salvation. The Baptism ofFire, which is the ultimate proof of purification, is given before the second Thresholding, preceding the second Birth, It is the baptism of Life, the consecration of Salvation, although it is not final as the possibility of another fall is not yet excluded. The Baptism of the Spirit is given before the third Threshold; it is the baptism of eternal Life, the consecration of final Salvation by the Holy Spirit, the Comforter. From that point on a fall will no longer be possible. An element of the Third Threshold and the whole of the "Great Ladder" according to Mouravieff also seems to include sexuality: Gnosis II: Here, we will reintroduce the old terminology which defines the three great categories into which the whole of humanity is divided: hylic, psychic and pneumatic. By hylic, we mean the man who lives below the first Threshold, by psychic we indicate psychological man, one who has crossed the first Threshold, and who has started on the Staircase leading to the second Threshold; by pneumatic, we refer to one who, having crossed the second Threshold and reached his second Birth, is making progress towards the third Threshold. As we have seen, everything that lives, lives by Love, and aspires to Love, And by changing its appearance, Love manifests itself as a whole scale of values. It is, however, important to understand that this whole scale of values corresponds to several different levels of Consciousness. And in the case of Love as in that of Consciousness, the acquisition of the higher level does not automatically exclude or annihilate the lower level that has been transcended, but transform! One often speaks of the sublimation of sex which follows the passage to higher levels of Consciousness. In fact, this sublimation takes place continuously on the whole Great Ladder of the evolution of living beings. For mankind it involves three steps which correspond to the three categories, already described, into which humanity is sub-divided. The hylic man is satisfied with life below the first Threshold, whether he is a 'success' or not, whether he is rich or poor, happy or unhappy. As a result his aspirations and his desires, like his loves, ate aiso kept below the first Threshold. The pneumatic man, that is, one who has crossed the second Threshold and has been born again, aspires to attain and cross the third Threshold, which will open up the Way leading to the Pleroma, the ineffable Love in the bosom of the Absolute, The psychic (psychological) man also aspires to this state; but before it becomes possible for him to work effectively in this sense, he must be regenerated and come to the second Birth. In the first volume of our work, we studied the elements of the Way in detail and pointed out that access to what is properly called the Way demands assiduous work which may be divided into four stages. This forms a Staircase of four 'steps' of which the last is Love—the level that the man of the psyche must attain to appear before the second Threshold and to cross it. We indicated the traditional virtues which correspond to these four stages: Faith — Hope — Knowledge (Gnosis) and, lastly hove. The execution of this successive programme of work depends on the continuity of the faithful's efforts. The latter are often super-human, and must be made in the framework of one of the four Ways, which must correspond to the neophyte's type of psyche. In this second volume we have also seriously studied the fifth Way, which offers the possibility of rapidly attaining and triumphantly crossing the second Threshold. This way is only possible to two polar beings in a united and conscious effort. This is the way of the Knight and the Lady of his Dreams. Gnosis III: It is necessary to state here that the sublimation of sex is not an aim in itself, but a means. It has four degrees, of which the three that follow the ecstasy of the mystical marriage appear in an order opposite to that in which courtly Love had led the couple to the androgynous consciousness. The second is the synergic and synchronous passage from Ml 12 to FA 6 in both the man and the woman, a passage which is instantaneous and has an effect analogous to conception. The third degree is the passage from SOL 12 to LA 6 which happens gradually and demands time: we can compare this with the stage of pregnancy; lastly, if nothing happens to stop the process, the couple reach the fourth degree, the simultaneous passage from SI 12 to DO 6: this is the Birth, the Third Birth which, with the crossing of the Third Threshold, opens up the way that will lead the Knight and the Lady of his thoughts towards the empyrean of the Pleroma. The above quotes seem to illustrate the sexual component and speak also of the 5th Way that can accelerate development between polar opposites. I will not even pretend to understand the complexities that Mouravieff describes. He uses many of Gurdjieff's concepts involving frequencies in a musical scale diagram and even temperature relationships with the sun etc.. So, I will return to more of the C's clues to try and piece some things into the puzzle such as references to physicality: Q: Okay, so this realm changed, as a part of the cycle; various choices were made: the human race went through the door after the 'gold,' so to speak, and became aligned with the Lizzies after the 'female energy' consorted with the wrong side, so to speak. This is what you have said. This resulted in a number of effects: the breaking up of the DNA, the burning off of the first ten factors of DNA, the separation of the hemispheres of the brain... A: Only reason for this: you play in the dirt, you're gonna get dirty. Q: What was the motivating factor for playing in the dirt? What essential thing occurred? You said once that it was 'desire based imbalance.' What was it a desire for? A: Increased physicality. Q: What was the objective sought for in this desire for increased physicality? A: Sensate. Q: How was sensate experienced so that these beings had an idea that they could get more if they increased their idea that they could get more if they increased their physicality? A: Not experienced, demonstrated. Q: Demonstrated how, by who? A: Do you not know? Q: It was demonstrated by the Lizzies? A: Basically. Q: Demonstrated in what way? Did they say: 'here, try this!' Or did they demonstrate by showing or doing? A: Closer to the latter. Q: They were doing, experimenting, playing, and saying: 'look, we are doing this, it's so great, come here and try it?' A: Not really. More like: "you could have this." Q: What seemed to be so desirable about this increased physicality when they said 'you can have this?' A: Use your imagination! Q: Was there any understanding, or realization of any kind, that increased physicality could be like Osiris lured into his own coffin by Set? That they would then slam the lid shut and nail him in? A: Obviously, such understanding was lacking. Q: Sounds like a pretty naive bunch! Does the lack of this understanding reflect a lack of knowledge? A: Of course. But more, it is desire getting in the way of... Q: Okay. The 'Fall' occurred. It seems like, and some of the archaeological studies indicate, that for many thousands of years, there was a peaceful existence and a nice agrarian society where the goddess or female creative forces wereworshipped. At least, this is what a lot of present-day booksare proposing... A: No. These events took place 309000 years ago, as you measure it. This is when the first prototype of what you call Perhaps, "increased physicality" whether sexual or otherwise is the basic message of our "fall" into 3D. We should of course pay attention to all the authors that the forum recommends for our learning experience and not discard any nuggets of truth that are contained for our learning the ropes so to speak? I have had difficulty sorting through all of this but it does give me more to think about and hopefully I will gain more understanding by doing the searching. I do think that the kinship we develop will help each one of us find missing pieces and put the puzzle together. Thanks for the inspiring question. From everything Gurdjieff has said about the Macro Cosmos and everything in it, and the many things the C's have said over 20 years about Densities and Consciousness, it seems that the increased physicality humans "went for" would necessarily have a consciousness limiting effect. Just to keep that in mind, as it has been described that the different Densities (or Worlds) have a correspondence to the amount of physicality (and how much physicality dominates by the number/order of physical laws that apply, the lower you go). The C's have made this even clearer, as they use the 7 Density model to show that there are 3 physical densities, 3 purely ethereal densities, and one paraphysical (4th) density in between. And the C's and G agree that there's nothing in existence that doesn't have some amount of consciousness; it's just that the lower the density, the more physical laws dominate and limit the freedom to access awareness of higher levels and ultimately Universal Consciousness. At 1st density, it seems that the physical is non-living with NO consciousness, but that's just because it has become SO mechanical that it looks as if ONLY physical laws apply. However esoteric science/knowledge says there's still a very low level of consciousness that reaches even "inanimate" objects/substances (also after all, we and all living things are made up of those substances on this planet - when enough consciousness/information receiving/transducing capability is channeled down, the inanimate becomes animate, so some amount of connection with consciousness must be maintained even with inanimate objects for them to even exist). Perhaps, "increased physicality" whether sexual or otherwise is the basic message of our "fall" into 3D. We should of course pay attention to all the authors that the forum recommends for our learning experience and not discard any nuggets of truth that are contained for our learning the ropes so to speak? I have had difficulty sorting through all of this but it does give me more to think about and hopefully I will gain more understanding by doing the searching. I do think that the kinship we develop will help each one of us find missing pieces and put the puzzle together. Thanks for the inspiring question. Yes, as cass has said before we fall into 3D after that pot of gold. And if i remember correctly, because we are being possessive of the physicality of this realm thus we get stuck with this realm. Not that we can't enjoy the physicality but to remember not to let them control us. Just like Caesar! And also i check this out: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/mouravieff2a.htm in case anyone wants to read the whole thing. If we remember that the kingdom of heaven is within, and NOT outside us, then we begin to understand that some force or even violence must be employed INTERNALLY to retake our own fortress. This is very often necessary to eliminate the roots of Illusion within us, the mother of lies to ourselves. Thus we see that the test at the fourth step is decisive. Until lying stops, man drags along the defects of his past: lying, weakness, self-pity, inner compromise. Generally, it takes time, the opportunity and the possibility to rid himself of his baggage before committing himself to the fourth step is met. Many individuals, because of the weight of their past, waste time and allow many opportunities which present themselves to go by. But, on the fourth step, the balance sheet must be drawn up and accounts settled. Man, poor and naked, is accepted at the second Threshold, but only on condition that he is consistent and pure. The essential is that he be consistent, meaning that he contains within himself true Love, which can only be revealed by the cessation of lying to the self. Everything false within him will be burned by the flames of this blazing sword. All of these steps happen more or less together in many combinations. They are distributed unequally according to different personalities, and driven by the force of our Desire to be free. In stepping onto the Staircase, to approach and then cross the Second Threshold, man adopts a new attitude towards himself: from this point on, he takes his fate in his own hands. As goyacobol has pointed out it is the 'faith' in the framework that compels us to seek further up the ladder to understand our nature of reality and ourselves. Thank you goyacobol for clearing part of the fog in my mind. From everything Gurdjieff has said about the Macro Cosmos and everything in it, and the many things the C's have said over 20 years about Densities and Consciousness, it seems that the increased physicality humans "went for" would necessarily have a consciousness limiting effect. Just to keep that in mind, as it has been described that the different Densities (or Worlds) have a correspondence to the amount of physicality (and how much physicality dominates by the number/order of physical laws that apply, the lower you go). The C's have made this even clearer, as they use the 7 Density model to show that there are 3 physical densities, 3 purely ethereal densities, and one paraphysical (4th) density in between. And the C's and G agree that there's nothing in existence that doesn't have some amount of consciousness; it's just that the lower the density, the more physical laws dominate and limit the freedom to access awareness of higher levels and ultimately Universal Consciousness. At 1st density, it seems that the physical is non-living with NO consciousness, but that's just because it has become SO mechanical that it looks as if ONLY physical laws apply. However esoteric science/knowledge says there's still a very low level of consciousness that reaches even "inanimate" objects/substances (also after all, we and all living things are made up of those substances on this planet - when enough consciousness/information receiving/transducing capability is channeled down, the inanimate becomes animate, so some amount of connection with consciousness must be maintained even with inanimate objects for them to even exist). Thank you SeekinTruth for putting it better than i can say it. So can i say that for example a computer engineer created a 'square blue mouse' which he/she channel down his/her consciousness into that inanimate object which he/she create call 'square blue mouse'. Thus to this 'square blue mouse' the computer engineer is his higher consciousness and so they're connected yet they're not. I'm not sure what you mean by the computer engineer / square blue mouse analogy. Do you mean it only as a metaphor or literally? We don't really do much real creating at this level (our "higher selves" might). The creative force/consciousness comes down the densities and connects all to all. It just gets more and more mechanical as it descends, so that there's less and less levels of consciousness in the lower densities. Does that clarify. I haven't read the Gnosis series in a few years (had read it twice in full and read parts a couple more times), or In Search of the Miraculous (read it a few times few years apart). But I remember both mentioning that everything is living (and had slightly different diagrams), but had varying levels of life / "vivifying-ness" (to use G's term). From everything Gurdjieff has said about the Macro Cosmos and everything in it, and the many things the C's have said over 20 years about Densities and Consciousness, it seems that the increased physicality humans "went for" would necessarily have a consciousness limiting effect. Just to keep that in mind, as it has been described that the different Densities (or Worlds) have a correspondence to the amount of physicality (and how much physicality dominates by the number/order of physical laws that apply, the lower you go). The C's have made this even clearer, as they use the 7 Density model to show that there are 3 physical densities, 3 purely ethereal densities, and one paraphysical (4th) density in between. And the C's and G agree that there's nothing in existence that doesn't have some amount of consciousness; it's just that the lower the density, the more physical laws dominate and limit the freedom to access awareness of higher levels and ultimately Universal Consciousness. At 1st density, it seems that the physical is non-living with NO consciousness, but that's just because it has become SO mechanical that it looks as if ONLY physical laws apply. However esoteric science/knowledge says there's still a very low level of consciousness that reaches even "inanimate" objects/substances (also after all, we and all living things are made up of those substances on this planet - when enough consciousness/information receiving/transducing capability is channeled down, the inanimate becomes animate, so some amount of connection with consciousness must be maintained even with inanimate objects for them to even exist). SeekinTruth, I think you are right about the limitations of each density level and consciousness. Maybe that is what we are trying to reverse in order to go to the next density level? The deep "tracks" in our brains is maybe what the C's are talking about too. Trying to change the deep programs of the past is a real struggle. There is another thread that may tie in with some of the things we are looking at here that was started by Data: Topic: Stages in the Work, limited time for progress, and karmic debt along the path (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,36700.0.html) Yes, as cass has said before we fall into 3D after that pot of gold. And if i remember correctly, because we are being possessive of the physicality of this realm thus we get stuck with this realm. Not that we can't enjoy the physicality but to remember not to let them control us. Just like Caesar! And also i check this out: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/mouravieff2a.htm in case anyone wants to read the whole thing. As goyacobol has pointed out it is the 'faith' in the framework that compels us to seek further up the ladder to understand our nature of reality and ourselves. Thank you goyacobol for clearing part of the fog in my mind. Thanks for the link I will read the whole commentary. The "Framework" could apply to G. & M.'s diagrams, enneagrams etc.. I was just thinking about Laura's quote: As time has gone by, as we researched, experimented, learned, gained experience, we have found that the work of Gurdjieff, supplemented by Mouravieff and Castaneda, Sufism, and some other bits and pieces, seem to fit together like puzzle pieces in the framework given by the C's. It's kind of like the "Framework" created by the C's helps to pull the pieces together. It seems they give us clues here and there that help us build a more updated view that includes ponerology, OP's, Gurdjieff, Mouravieff, Castaneda, Sufism ,Psychology etc. which is a much larger "Framework" than many have used in the past. And I enjoyed the Caesare reference that I think is really appropriate: Not that we can't enjoy the physicality but to remember not to let them control us. Just like Caesar! Thanks again for the session. I read it twice now. So much info packed into it. It's interesting to see the reactions of members that don't participate much feeling compelled, in a way, to post. If you just try to post more often, it really does get easier. My first couple of years as a forum member (and that was after reading for a few years before registering), I used to post probably an average on one per couple of months. Then as I began posting more and more, it just took off somehow. I think it's really important for members to forget about what others would think of you and think about what you can do for others. It's a good way to struggle to do more for the benefit of all. Thanks one, and all 4 another great session. Lots to think about. Good point SeekinTruth, i need to be more open as well to continue the struggle with combating my emotional imbalances though networking. Open up big time. My dreams are talking to me that way any how. Its been busy here, (preparing) even with added low energy, do to a continued cycle of sleep deprivation due to a number of old age issues, and up and down whether patterns. The ceiling, is collapsing, were in constant state of water vapor. Which making getting things done difficult. Never the less, will make do. But still continue to do the Work, and maintain some form of integrity physically, (staying active) mentally, (reading), even through what seems like some psychic attacks as well. Such is life. Just keep on keep on. Thanks to goyacobol for inspiring me to do some more research. I have not had access to the works of Gurdjieff, Mouravieff or Castaneda, or any knowledge of Sufism, I have only read the references to them in the transcripts and in the forum. Methinks in order for me to assist the tribal group soul, I need to get some more knowledge. I hope the library stocks them. Thanks to goyacobol for inspiring me to do some more research. I have not had access to the works of Gurdjieff, Mouravieff or Castaneda, or any knowledge of Sufism, I have only read the references to them in the transcripts and in the forum. Methinks in order for me to assist the tribal group soul, I need to get some more knowledge. I hope the library stocks them. MusicMan, Thanks for the inspiration complement but I am just a result of Laura, the C's and other forum members inspiration myself. I do have to say it is not very often anyone gives me that much reinforcement so I'll try not to let it go to my head. Hopefully we can continue to inspire each other and build the Tribal Unit. You have inspired me to check the books I have found for free download as PDFs. I should have saved the links when I downloaded them but since I didn't I decided to find links for most of them to possibly save you some "time". It may give you an idea of how to find more sources. The PDFs that display on the web page can be saved by right-clicking and opening in Adobe then going to "file" in Adobe and choosing "save as PDF" (maybe too much information if you already know,sorry). Some sites send the PDF's to your download location on your PC. Gurdjieff and Ouspensky: _http://livingpresence.com/our-publications.html Ouspensky (In Search Of The Miraculous) : _http://www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf Boris Mouravieff: _http://bookzz.org/g/Boris%20Mouravieff Carlos Castenada: _http://moonmetaphysics.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/carlos-castaneda-all-books-in-one.pdf I don't have much on Sufism except for some whirling videos from YouTube. This has helped me refresh my memory and locate some new possibilities for more reading myself Hope this helps and happy reading. Remember there is a list of recommended books on different subjects here: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33092.0.html ;) Remember there is a list of recommended books on different subjects here: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33092.0.html ;) Yes, mkmhr, My, list of links is just a sample selection. The recommended book list and forum topics seems formidable but well worth remembering and working on. Thanks for reminding me. It makes me think of the Stephen Bishop song On and On. I'm not sure what you mean by the computer engineer / square blue mouse analogy. Do you mean it only as a metaphor or literally? We don't really do much real creating at this level (our "higher selves" might). The creative force/consciousness comes down the densities and connects all to all. It just gets more and more mechanical as it descends, so that there's less and less levels of consciousness in the lower densities. Does that clarify. I haven't read the Gnosis series in a few years (had read it twice in full and read parts a couple more times), or In Search of the Miraculous (read it a few times few years apart). But I remember both mentioning that everything is living (and had slightly different diagrams), but had varying levels of life / "vivifying-ness" (to use G's term). Sorry if i am not clear in that analogy. I meant it as literally but seeing your post, i thought to myself that maybe can be use as a metaphor? So my idea is in order for that engineer to be creating that square blue mouse, his idea has to come from somewhere else. As you have said it we don't do much creating at this level so i think it came from his higher self. Thus can i also say that the engineer is being influence by his higher self? In which his mind perceive as his own due to not able to process that higher self idea because lack of awareness of it. Maybe i being confusing here. My main concern is that very idea (square blue mouse) must come from some place but where? I know that our predator mind always process any ideas that we have no knowledge of and sees it as his own. Which is why we are so ego-centric because 'i created this or i know that so that makes ME superior than others' kind of thinking. I believe that cass mention something about our existence is based on somebody 'thinking' about us. So we are sort of being 'created' by this someone which we have no idea of? Seems this thinking also ties to the topic gravity which cass also mention. Ahhhh........ so much thinking!!! :headbash: :nuts: Guess i better stop at here or else there's too many cans of worms to deal which. :jawdrop: Thank you goyacobol & mkmhr for the knowledge links. Will take 'time' to absorb & connect the information. :thup: OK, thanks for the clarification, A.K. I think, metaphorically, what you say is true to some degree. We get ideas from the "ether", so to speak. We can act like an antenna and receive what's "in the air." I suppose some are better at tuning their antenna to what's in the air at a given time. We do create to a certain extent in a practical way, but we cannot bring things into being just by "mind power" at this level, it seems. Creative forces work through us to accomplish certain things at our level (that are also limited by that level - can look at it as an analog of higher level idea). Or so it seems. Session Date: December 6, 2014 "A: In the words of the philosopher: You betcha! Q: (Perceval) What philosopher said that?" I was listening to an interview of the British philosopher, Neil Kramer, when he said, "You betcha!" My ears perked up! I thought he had some interesting things to say, so I transcribed part of it, for the record. His observations of interest to this forum crowd: - history is being cut out from the school curriculum because it provides too much of a clue - our souls require a connection to our tribal roots to evolve spiritually - Germany has made exceptional contributions to humanity I was inspired to share this, not because of the new information, but because of the new perspective it gives. The pieces are now arranged in a more orderly manner and I feel like I'm looking down on our situation instead of looking out in all directions. Isn't that what a philosopher is suppose to do? You betcha! Full interview [71:46]: _http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/11/RIR-141121.php My shortened version [49:24]: _https://soundcloud.com/user446872460/neil-kramer Transcript of shortened version [including time markers from full interview]: In the 1990's, in Britain, there was this enormous shift in how things were dealt with, to do with particularly race. And to do with prohibitions and prescriptive language. And I noticed that on the television, watching BBC2 and Channel 4 and these particular kinds of programs, they seemed to be very heavily biased. So that got me thinking about the relationship between culture and what I call empire, which I'll come to describe what I think that is in a minute, because I think that leads us to a clear view of race as well. So the relationship between culture, empire and race is kind of important. And I would say that the mainstream culture that we have, in the west of course in particular, which represents the dominant global paradigm right now. The culture that we see through our screens and through apple and google and facebook and pop music and blockbuster movies and jobs and factories and offices, all of that culture is imperial culture and it has very little to do with the native reflection of real human beings. I would say it has not arisen organically from men and women of the land. It is nor the result of their natural creativity and visions and impulses. The majority of that conventional culture that we see before us, particularly today on our computers, televisions and newspapers, is wholly of empire. It is carefully engineered to fabricate a dependence on technology and a relinquishment of personal freedom and social control. So a nice benchmark for this is to think that real human cultures are slow to develop, gradual, strong, they are rooted in a spiritually resonant morality and a great relationship with the land, without exception. Whereas imperial cultures are the opposite. They are fast and weak and de-spiritualized. Things like thug culture or porn culture or sports culture or gender or sexuality biased culture, they have no root to me and I never felt they did and I still don't twenty years later. And I propose to you and your audience that they do not arise from the human heart at all. They are imperial cultures, essentially conditioning people to parrot messages. I've said "empire" and "imperial", let me just clarify what I mean by empire. I keep using this word, let me explain. People who are familiar with me and my work may know but many listeners won't so let me just take a minute to say that because I think it's pivotal to what we are talking about today. When I first started looking at all of this at the end of the 90's, we called it "the system" then later when alternative researchers began to map out some of the fraternal and secret organizations involved in the system, it was then called "the illuminati". Then at the end of the 90's and early 2000's, we called it "the matrix" after that wonderful movie. As time passed, we began to understand that there was also a blatant globalism and geo-political agenda. And that forced people to think of another word and we started to call it "the new world order" and there's all sorts of other more arcane things like "the brotherhood of the black shadow" and "masonic sorcerers" and "council of the demons" and more romantic titles like that. I myself used the term "the control system" for a long time, which served me very well. I was one of the people who kind of seeded that meme a decade or so ago, and it helps I think, because it neutralizes some of that romance for the other more elaborate titles which can be unhelpful for newcomers. And that manipulated view of reality, that the system put forth, I called "the construct" and in my book I called it "the distortion" because it is kind of a distortion of reality. So there's all these different titles swishing around, and in my life as I continue to refine my spiritual development, to the best of my abilities in my own self, and in those who choose to work with me and collaborate with me. When I looked at the system closely and saw an even better way of describing it, I felt that it was very clearly equated with empire. Of course, if we trace the lineage of this thing, we see that there is a line connecting Persia and Egypt and Rome and Britain and America. And we get the picture, those of us who have done this research, that it is indeed one empire. An empire (geographically just being a group of regions or countries) ruled over by a central authority. Traditionally a monarch, or today more frequently an oligarchy. So empire is a good term, I think it works. It shifts the meaning a little bit and I shift the meaning. So I say, in my language, that empire is an ethos. Not a group of people necessarily but an ethos that seeks to control humankind by restricting it to a lower state of being; to an immature state of mental, physical, cultural and spiritual development. That's what empire is to me. It's very old, by modern standards of history it's ancient, and it is super influential and super effective. It works well in what it aims to achieve, it's very clever. And what it aims to achieve, for me (and I think it's important to remind ourselves of this) is a very simple thing really, is to keep a large number of people in ignorance and unmindful reproduction. Ignorant people in pain, procreating, spawning more ignorant people in pain. Which is what I think empire seeks to do above all else, and it does it very well. It's also important to know that empire is apolitical, very apolitical, nothing to do with politics of either color. It's totally immoral and it is collectivist in it's disposition. So it always places group goals over individual goals. It has zero political polarization, so all thoughts however well intended, of democratic or labor or republican or neo-con or libertarian thinking, any of that, every flavor of this politics is owned by empire. And they're all really just sterile puppet shows, a bit of theatre for the sake of appearances, and have nothing to do with power at all. Same thing for Judaism and Christianity and Islamic, all pieces of empire. And every major world power and sovereign state must accept this rule of empire or risk isolation or war, worst case war, invasion. The really interesting bit of this though, cause that seems like quite an opponent doesn't it? The really interesting bit, which gives us a lovely genuine chunk of optimism and an authority in ourselves, is that despite all of this initially overwhelming power of the system, empire absolutely requires our implicit consent to function. It physically can not act against us unless we agree to it. And why, people may ask, how can you say that? I have described this before and I would say this. The intelligences that constitute empire are playing a very high-level game, not withstanding the negativity of it and the horror of it. It is not a low consciousness thing that they are doing. So the higher the orchestrating consciousness of anything, anywhere, the more it has to abide by a universal law. A kind of celestial physics that prevents total fragmentation in a galaxy (and it works very well). One of these laws prohibits breaching the consent of any sovereign being. So the empire must give notice of it's actions before it acts. Like in regular law here, it gives up two kinds. Constructive notice like a document pinned to the town hall notice board that says we are going to make some change in the community. We are going to build a new freeway, and if the people do nothing, notice has been given and their silence is construed as consent. So that is one thing that empire does. The other type of notice is actual notice like when a man divorces his wife, a husband divorces his wife and somebody serves her with the papers, hand to hand, that is actual notice. So empire gives notice, has to give notice, of it's skullduggery and naughtiness. In law, in media, in education, culture, all the time it's giving notice. People, most people, eat it up. Not you and me and our strong independent listeners here, they're a little bit different, but most straight mainstream people who choose not to develop their consciousness or spirit of freedom, just nod in agreement to the notices and stay silent and do nothing. One of the tricks that empire uses, and this is where it starts to take us into the race and the diversity questions. One of the tricks it uses is it has to harvest that consent somehow and it has various means of doing that. One of them is for us to claim that we are our name, which is not our name, it's a trading entity for empire. Another one is to claim that you live at a particular government owned property which we call our street address, which actually is an imperial trading post, you might say, agreeing to the driving license rules of empire, agreeing to permits and warrants and things like that. Agreeing to citizenship of the imperium, of England or America or Sweden or Canada or whatever. Participating in the furtherance of empire, through the acts of voting, these are just some of the ways empire deceives people into agreeing to their way of administrating society. Now most of us (I have to say this including myself) have become involved with these agreements little by little over the years without fully knowing quite what it meant and what we were letting ourselves in for. And if you don't do some of these things, these agreements, you can get into all sorts of trouble. You have to weigh the advantages and risks and skill sets for yourself personally as to what agreements you are prepared to make and what you are going to withdraw. And as you know, some of the guests on your show and some of my colleagues and friends, some brave pioneers out there think nothing of spending time in jail to prove their point, and they are right. Others serve the cause of freedom and education and enlightenment in other ways, by sharing wisdom in more regular ways of life and therefore they choose to make some compromises by agreeing to some imperial contracts and getting on with their alternative work in other ways. It's my view that you have to be very careful in examining what it is you are doing in life and how you best serve your own growth and your own education and communities before you start doing lots of unlawful things and whatever. So you tend to find that the best educated in this so called sovereign law, carefully vet and gauge who they work with to properly determine what the motivations are and whether or not the whole business is being conducted in honor or not. It's a very interesting thing how that agreement is obtained and it's partially because of that I often say that empires great power really is not in it's shear force or resources, but it's in it's invisibility, it's concealment. So most people don't realize that they have been consciously and spiritually confined, they just don't know and they don't want to think about it. They don't want to think about some weird wicked conspiracy that's messing up the whole planet. There's two points to that particularly for newcomers or perhaps some of the younger listeners who are literally just getting into this. We have simple ignorance which is when someone just doesn't know something, like I don't know how to speak Chinese, I don't have that data or technique, so that's simple ignorance. There's another form of ignorance, complex ignorance, where there is an intentional preservation of ignorance. So people say "Look, I just don't want to know about the new world order, I don't like talking about that weird stuff, I'm happy with my life the way it is, leave me alone, don't upset things." And this portcullis comes down and that's the end of their growth and there's nothing new going to come in. That's complex ignorance, people bring down that portcullis like on a castle. And you have to leave them to it. What we're concentrating on is not those people, that's their business. We're concentrating on ourselves and our friends and colleagues who choose self awareness and freedom and spiritual growth because it changes people and that's what's very scary to lot of uninformed normal folks, so I'll say this in my summation of empire, because I know I've got a lot of interesting things to get to. Empire is what happens when human beings forget who they are and what they're doing. And I think it's a very important point to consider that some of that is our fault, some of it isn't, some of it is. We further and support empire by our stupidity, so we have to cease that bit, reverse it by being excellent and wise and that helps to dissolve the system. There is that other element though where empire is not all our fault. There are other entities that lie outside the realm of normal perceptions, both physically and philosophically who are involved. Let's simplify that for a minute because always, when we talk about the system, who's at the top of it, who runs it, who originated it, let's simplify it by saying this. Some life-forms in the world use a strategy of getting ignorant people in pain to reproduce as the basis for a fuel source, a food source. And the frequency of consciousness that emanate out of those poor bastard human beings who are being exploited, is used to power and sustain a group of entities that cannot survive by their own soul essence, because they are not like us, they're different. As to who they are and where they're from I would suggest to you, very honestly and frankly, that no one on this planet is really sure about that. Though we have detected their presence and they are mentioned in many of our old sacred writings and mystical texts that have been unsequestered. We have many names for these entities, we used to call them 'demons' you know, simple as that. They were called 'black-wings' in Europe and 'flyers' in South America, and 'archons', 'inorganic-beings' and some very wise men I know call them 'holes' because they resemble little mini black holes when they manifest here in this world, in the 3-D. And soon they will be called something else, but they are life forms out there, somewhere swishing around needing to sustain themselves, needing to eat and live. The difference is, as far as we can determine, they don't have a soul, so they can't go back to the divine source like me and you can, because they didn't originally emanate from it. They're naked, they're up shit creek, so they're doing all kinds of bizarre and desperate things to try and sustain themselves using an outside power source. For a little while, a few millennia, which is nothing, they have been messing around on this planet, and I would say it is a very limited operation, it doesn't go on for much longer but it does provide (and again this is the flip-side to that) it does provide a very unique opportunity for specialized, ultra-tactical spiritual development on this planet. Whoever comes here, voluntarily always, knowing the full deal before hand, is doing two marvelous things. Number 1 - you are getting the best spiritual training anywhere in the galaxy, here. Number 2 - you are helping to speed up the dissolution of empire. Whoever comes here and chooses growth and consciousness, speeds up the end of empire. All we have to do, to do that, is recalibrate that conscious fuel source to a different frequency which once we get to a critical mass (which I believe we've already crossed and reached, and we are now witnessing a sort of end-game) those guys are off and we get to do things right here. Once they're gone, their minions are disempowered and natural human culture can arise again as it once did. It takes a while, but we get there in the end. If anybody finds that a little bit of a stretch (this business of a sort of compressed consciousness through pain as a fuel source) I totally get that. But consider this, just imagine a few hundred years ago if someone had said that you can power a whole village by sunlight. Imagine suggesting to people in the 16th century. They'd wonder how the hell that could possibly happen there's nothing tangible, there's nothing there. Is it some magic? There's no coal or oil or wood or metal or gears. No, you can do it with these invisible, weightless photons that float threw the air. We call that light. It's a piece of the energetic spectrum that can be utilized as a power source. And there's another one, which currently we call low consciousness. So that's the game of empire to me, and whatever, we do have the ability to change that. We do! For me, race and sexuality and diversity and all that, has been massively confused by a very concerted effort to install into many, many human minds a sort of self-censoring thought pattern that I know you've dealt with before which we call political correctness. I'm not going to go over the origins of that because a lot of interesting and talented researchers have already done that. I do outline it in my podcast, which I call a roamcast because I'm roamin' around, podcast number 12 briefly. It's been in the works for about seventy years, political correctness, and it was mainly propagated from the 70's onwards. It was born in the 30's really. In England, as I said at the top of the show, it really got traction in the 1990's, which was the first time I encountered people who were starting to self-censor in England. Self-censor their thoughts and feelings against a measurement that the government had put forth in terms of what is acceptable and what isn't. Political correctness, to me, has two aspects. It is there to silence dissent and coerce consent. That is to stop people expressing their feelings about others and the ways they choose to live and to compel people to adopt a new way of thinking about each other, what's OK and what's not OK. So in the 90's in Britain you had to stop saying certain words like paki or blackie or chink or jap or puff or queer or spastic or cripple. Anything like that (which people had said for a long time) was stopped. And you might think they are offensive of course, I understand that and I myself would perhaps not choose to go around using those words unmindfully because I'm a nice guy. I'm a considerate man and (I don't like...) I'm not really interested in anyone's sexuality or race anyway per se. Well the point here is the words became prohibited. I'll say that again, a sequence of sounds, from our mouths, or inscriptions on a page, in ink, in the English language, became prohibited in Britain in the 1990's. Today, using some of those words can get you professionally ruined or even jailed. "Incitement to racial hatred" being the current favorite law in England. And there's a funny observation here as well, just to lighten it up a bit because millions and millions of grandparents, people in their 70's, 80's and 90's chose not to adopt this new language rule set and so we had a very comical situation which still exists in Britain where millions of old people go around saying these crazy things that young people can't believe. One man I knew, who was not a family member, but was a lovely old man I was visiting in hospital, this old guy in his eighties was in hospital in a bed awaiting surgery. He quietly whispered to me about the doctor. He said, "Is he a blackie, the doctor?" I said, "Yeah, he is." The old guy said, "Does he know what he's doing?" I said, "Of course he knows what he's doing. He's a spinal surgeon. He's very highly recommended and super tight and he's a lovely guy as well." And this old guy said, "Well, that's OK then." Why does he talk like that, this old man? Because when this old man was a boy in England there were no black people, there were none, so it wasn't until he was an adult that he first saw anyone who wasn't white, so Black and Asian people were considered (in Britain when he was a young man) newcomers, visitors at first. And this old man, naturally, wondered if these newcomers were accustomed to the ways of England and the English and the English methods and morality and ways of doing things. The most natural thing in the world, quite innocent. And however ignorant that might seem to some people today, it's blameless. But still when I hear this story retold, sometimes in family circles, it's told in whispers you see, because people have become conditioned that certain things are not allowed. I'll tell you, hundreds of good, moral, open-minded, solid people who I have known in my life, would be arrested if they used their freely spoken, truly expressed language in the wrong place. They are not racist, they are not bigoted or prejudiced, but they do have preferences that have been disregarded and they are tired of it. So I think in terms of what you were talking about (to get to the heart of it) for a minute let's substitute the word race for the word tribe, just for a minute because I think that could be helpful. Tribal identity is the initial platform for spiritual identity. The tribal heritage of a people lays down the pattern of a particular kind of refined self expression, morality and spiritual development. It is crucial for people to understand their tribal heritage. If I were an imperial controller and I wanted to suppress the evolution of humans for a few more centuries, one really effective way of doing that would be to have all the tribes, all the tribal identities, obliterated by a very disrespectful amalgamation so no platform for spiritual growth would exist. Identity would be lost and inner development would be enormously impeded. That's what this game is. To point the finger at any of the tribes is deeply ignorant, right? We must not do that. I have no time for people who behave like that. We have to first see the truth of tribal differences and then realize that dim-witted tribal people from any creed, all creeds, have been hopelessly conditioned into falsehood and there's nothing we can do to change that except wait for them to die off. Those who are not intelligent enough to think for themselves have consumed this imperial racial deception and either become separatists and nationalistic, which is not very good, or egalitarian thinking that we are all the same and have equal opportunity to everything which is also mightily brainless. Either way empire doesn't care, it's a win-win for them. We have to educate ourselves first and foremost and those free-thinking friends and family who are open to it, and the young people, very important. For me the truth of tribal identity rests in a very simple premise which is that we are different. We are different from one another. Wherever you come from, what your bones are like, and your skin, and your mind, and your heritage, and your genetics, and your spirit, all of these things come together to make you different, uneven, unequal, dissimilar, not the same. In some tribes of men and women (in the modern world) in some of those tribes, self-awareness is low, and IQ is low, and spiritual development is low, and communications is very rudimentary. If that's the case, those things have an impact on that individual's ability to perceive and comprehend reality. Some people would say, "Well those are by no means the only measure of gauging the development of a human," and I would agree with that, but for me and my western European human cultural heritage; self-awareness, IQ, spiritual development and communication skills are central to my way of interacting with reality. They are therefore the methods and skills that I most value and appreciate for me and perhaps some people a bit like me. This does not mean that people who live in different ways with none of those faculties are doing something wrong or less valuable. That's not for me to decide, but if those people come into my realm and claim to have the same faculties which they do not, then there is an obvious disparity. This to me points to the heart of it; how to view this properly and equitably and intelligently because we do have to tread wisely because a lot of stupid people get polarized if we don't. There are all sorts of people listening to this show as you know from all different cultures and races and whatever and we all look different. In my own family we have English, Scottish, Welsh, Oriental, Jewish, African, all sorts of things, so I've got my own skin in this game if you pardon the pun. In terms of diversity, you betcha. However the fact remains that we are not the same tribally. Some people, some tribes are brilliant and some people are crap. Some cultures are outstanding and some are bloody awful. Some cities are beautiful and functional and some cities are ugly and dysfunctional. And to me, whether you are looking at the individual or a group, all of these things are totally decided on merit. By the skills and talents and intelligence and wisdom of the people Some of those are close to empire and some are far from it. Some have empire in check a little bit and are very clever how they do it. Others are totally ruled by empire and have lost the game altogether. But nevertheless, without exception, people always have the power to make freewill choices to reflect and transpose their own unique mentality and emotions and creativity and visions of excellence into the world. That's what diversity is, our uniqueness. We are singular. So let's take one tribal homeland, Germany. I love Germany. My favorite painter is German. My favorite philosopher is German. My favorite composer is German. My favorite mountain, the Zugspitze, is in Germany. Germany has achieved an extraordinary refinement of arts, music, literature, mysticism, culture and thought which constitute, which form, an incredible foundation for spiritual evolution in individuals. Germany's achievements go on and on and on, I'm not going to list them, it is a fabulous place. It is affected by empire, yes, and it's currently having some problems, yes. But over the last two thousand years, it represents to me one of the highest achievements of human culture anywhere. To compare Germany to almost any other country, particularly outside Europe, they pale into significance really fast. In those previously mentioned forms of human expression in particular. I do not ignore these things when I analyze the heritage of a peoples, whether they're English or Mexican or French or Swedish or Israeli, Nigerian whatever. I look at what has arisen over the last few thousand years in their homeland and the tribal peoples are deeply connected to their land and the land makes us function and live and look different ways. We have this gift of life and of connection with our land. If people choose to waste that gift, then they face the consequences in their lives and in their countries, they made it that way. If people choose to accept and cultivate their gift, with vigor and gratitude, then they become master of their reality and afford themselves greater refinement and well-being and potency and higher achievement. That is ours to decide, that's our wit and wisdom, our being and all that. Ethnicity and sexuality and equality just don't come into it at all. Do whatever you please, in honor and peace. Go wherever you wish, with integrity and power, alone, just us, you know that's how it works. In thinking about this it draws to mind my sort of mystical cosmogony, the beginning of something. I would say it like this, and I'm quoting this from something I wrote the other day, but I think it's relevant to what we are talking about. In ancient days there were five great tribes on earth. A black tribe, a brown tribe, a yellow tribe, a red tribe, and a white tribe. And each arose from the soil of their native continent and were uniquely calibrated in body and mind to resonate with their particular land. And as well as the physical landscape, each tribe was born attuned to their particular energies, the finer energies of their area, their region, it's heritage, it's sacred teachings. And whilst everybody's totally free to move around anywhere and connect with any other tribe, there is always a very special correspondence with each tribe, that keeps them enmeshed and resonating with their homeland, their heritage. They were in their true power when they were in harmonious concert with their indigenous atmosphere, physically and spiritually, metaphysically. This atmosphere also encompassed the other animals of their realm. The organic cultures and customs of men and women, the songs and technologies and visions of their sages. Each tribe was totally different from one another, they looked different, they smelled different, they walked different, they talked different. All completely distinct, very contrasting, and as I said in this piece, as a wolf cannot be compared to a salmon, they are not parallel, other than they exists here at the same time. It is said that the black tribe is the oldest, they were here first. Then the brown tribe arrived from another star, then the yellow, then the red, and then the white all from different places, different stars. Each tribe came from a different star. Some people feel that the earth belongs to the oldest tribe and some don't and the wisest amongst all tribes know that it belongs to no one. It is combined specialist tribal knowledge from all of them that come together, that's where you get a better picture. This is what really ushers in a new transcendence, a new evolution that moves us beyond tribal identification, beyond tribe, beyond human. But for now, it's necessary. Tribal identity is the platform for spiritual identity. The greatest danger to the ascendant path of humanity is to have the tribes believe that they are the same. To have their singular skills and insights just leveled. So I would say that today, for the present times, this is a tribal planet and we have to acknowledge that as the basis for our excellence. To think otherwise; to forget our glories, and our roots, and our path is to contribute to the imperial strategy, which is to get one race of gray men. We don't want that. We are different. Tribalism doesn't mean people fighting each other in little disconnected groups. It means that each piece of land gives rise to a particular soul resonance, you might say. If the soul was like sunlight beaming down on different parts of the earth, which in esoteric terms it's very much like that, soul comes into us like consciousness comes into us. Depending on where it is and what's going on and the nature of the geography and composition of the land and it's heritage, and the blood in the people, gives a very different expression of that soul. So to try and equalize them and normalize them is a disaster. It takes away the very thing that we are being asked to do which is that each soul group (which is very equitably reflected in the different tribes) has a particular talent. Each one can do different things that the other ones can not do. [Interviewer: What would the empire gain from eroding tribal or racial awareness and identity?] For a very, very small number of people who make spiritual development the whole axis and fulcrum of their life, racial identities are irrelevant. I know people where it is totally irrelevant, and it's largely irrelevant to me. However, for the vast majority of people here, who are beginning their spiritual adventure, whether it's in one life or over thousands of lives, your tribal identity is the cradle of your spiritual development. Without it you are in trouble. Even for me, where I don't necessarily place enormous value personally, just for me, on my tribal identity (my racial heritage) it's very close to my heart. The land of England is the most beautiful place in the whole universe to me. There's nothing like it. Some of the English people and the English customs and where they came from, through the Nordic lands and the Germanic lands, is very exciting and very beautiful to me. Nothing touches that, that's a personal thing, but nothing touches that for me. It's right up there. I know, with respect to my brothers and sisters out there who are beginning their journeys, that that cradle of racial heritage is super nourishing and important. I will do everything I can to maintain and preserve that because it has tremendous value and potency. It's very difficult for empire to sequester that. The most they can do is to let us disregard that cradle of heritage, of tribal identity and then think it's something racist. So it's a real Orwellian doublespeak, mind swap thing. They just take it out of the language so people cannot express it. Whereas in every single mystical order that I have ever studied under or with or through or of, however you want to put it, whether directly or indirectly, there is a great emphasis on racial identity, tribal identity. A great emphasis to say, "In the resonance of the souls is the wisdom and in the resonance of souls is the method, not just the data but the actual application, the technique, the being of soul ." If you take that away, you're on your own. You're just playing roulette and who knows what will happen. It has to be honored and preserved because it has great value. You only need to look at somebody who has had great influence on our modern media still, many years after his death, Conan Doyle, to see that his own particular love for his country was embedded in many of his works. As was his other fellow countryman, Tolkien, who said, "without Scandinavian folklore there would be no Middle-earth, nothing at all, it's all completely developments and side shoots from that." It's one of the most precious, mystical backdrops we have in modern fiction. I think it's critical that that's maintained. Tolkien was a very fierce opponent of industrialization and he said, "industrialization isn't just about repetition and money and economy, it destroys spiritual heritage." So if he was around today he'd be on your show next week talking to you. He'd be another guest saying exactly what we're saying. [Interviewer: Imagining that what I know as distinct Scandinavian people would be gone, that is horror to me. I can't imagine something which is more painful to me. And to protect and preserve that, as all things we have in our moral viewpoint. We are conservationists. We want to preserve and protect the environment. We want to protect various different animal species and that's awesome and we should. I think we should have the same view about ourselves, as well, as we are completely steam-rolled over by modernity and most people don't even reflect on it because it's not part of their consciousness. They haven't awakened that deeper connection to themselves and those who've come before them.] I know and I couldn't agree more. I'll tell you one very simple way that you can correct that, is by introducing wise elders into every child's life. In every community, when you have a wise elder, they show you the importance of what came before. Whether a hundred years or ten thousand years. That has been an enormous revelation in my life to know the wisdom of the elders, those who are still with us and those who have passed by. They carry that spiritual adventure, that spiritual chronology in their blood. And when they pass their blood to us, they pass on their spiritual attainment. It's in the blood. Some races are very advanced with that and some are not. And just as we wouldn't look upon a baby who doesn't know how to do quantum physics you wouldn't think, "you stupid bastard." You just would think "well, they're a baby, they don't know, so we have to uphold and nurture and support them." As we should be doing with races that don't know that yet, because they're new, they've not been here very long, or they come from a different place. You know, we ARE here together, there's a REASON for that, but to cling to our equality is very damaging because we don't NEED any of that stuff. All moral men and women know that success and happiness in life is by treading lightly and by having compassion and having wholeness in everything we do. We don't NEED equality for that. Everybody's here breathing, that's the only right we have. There are no other rights from that. What we do have though is the gift that's been given to use, in our blood, which is a link back to the soul heritage of the people who did the same thing as we did, for millions of years. A lot of people who are into spirituality who come to my work saying, "How can you talk about tribalism, you know we're all one, what are you talking about?" People speak about oneness don't they, "We're all one giant unified blob of celestial yumminess, why worry about differences?" Check this out. I would say that oneness is a state of being that is achieved and attained in direct relation to the amount of work you've done on yourself. I have noticed that people who go on about oneness have done the least amount of work on themselves. Their oneness is rubbish. If your deeds and conduct and mind and heart, and you've spent an enormous amount of effort and seriousness on your own self-evolution, then your oneness is a little bit better. You're actually resonating within this cradle of life better. So you check that out. When you hear someone going on about oneness, I bet they've done a very little amount of work on themselves. [Interviewer: Everyone who believes in this mono-culture or multiculturalism, they are suppose to mean diversity, but when you slash everything together it becomes one, a mono-culture] That's absolutely true. It's very ironic and it's dead true. In that culture, all you do is, you just look at what apple, and google and samsung and sony are doing, and that's the culture. For a lot of people, that is the culture. [Interviewer: We had the astrophysicist, Michio Kaku, the mouthpiece of the new world order saying, "global culture is Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, Madonna records, jeans and T-shirts." That's what we've sucked up and we've lost our connection to our tribal identity.] Yeah, and that's why history has been largely removed from the syllabus in America and Europe because it's too much of a clue. Because a lot of young people, when they are taught history by a talented, inspirational, engaged teacher, start to get excited. History is very exciting. It's very comforting and very reassuring and it provides wisdom. So you'll see that that is slowly disappearing from the syllabus. Not because it's not relevant for vocational training (which is all that education really is nowadays) but because it's too much of a clue. Because if you end up going down some of those wonderful pathways that are full of this incredible evolutionary thought and excitement and adventure, and put the power back in our hands, you start losing the apple and the google consumers. They think, "I don't want to work in an office in Silicon Valley. I want to study the origins of my people and go and look at their megaliths and the hills and the dolmens." [Interviewer: Exactly, you're encapsulating my awakening to becoming concerned about the things we're talking about. Looking into the history of the people in Scandinavia, from the Vikings to Beowulf, the heroes who have walked those lands. I see the burial mounds, unexplored. They are waiting with a mystery behind them. I'm thinking about this. I'm reading about it. It becomes a part of me. Something awakens in me and that's when this concern is like a flame enlightened and it's never going to go out. I just know that.] That's why you and I, and people like us, have to keep doing what we're doing. Because they say, "Henrik's a good guy, Kramer's a good guy and they're very interested in their heritage and the history of their peoples, and these warriors and tribes, and these so called mythologies. That makes people take a look. When you see serious people who are making a life of their chosen practice, and chosen study, it does inspire other people. It inspires me when I see somebody who's really excited about something, it makes me take a look. When I know that it is central to their heart it makes me interested in it. Enthusiasm is infectious, isn't it. The dignity that the knowledge of your own heritage brings. People like that. It's very lacking in the world today, that honor in your own heritage. People like it and they want it. When they see people resonate in it and expounding on it, intelligently, without polarizing, it makes people want to take a look. We all have them. Wherever you are on the planet, we all have them. I have mine and I like mine probably better than anyone else's. [Interviewer: And that's how it should be. That's the point. You should be biased against that. You want to be one who wants to preserve that more than anybody else wants to preserve that. What's so difficult about that?] It's super easy and that's why we have to intelligently and bravely tackle these issues, without polarization and using language carefully but bravely. When you get it right it's so easy and it's so obvious. It starts to dissolve all that conditioning that we were talking about with all that ugly empire business, really fast. It does require a certain skill to approach it properly, which thankfully I see pretty well represented these days. It wasn't here 'til quite recently. It's really taken off in the last couple of years. Well, this guy, Neil Kramer, says some interesting things, but I think he may be a racist. I think that his definition of "tribe" is obsolete because there is so much mixing on this planet, and has been from the beginning, that "tribe" can no longer apply even remotely to any such identities as he denotes. And that's just speaking from the material point of view. Indeed, soul can "marry" with genetics and there can be a reciprocal effect, but nowadays, it can no longer be so simple. Looked at from the strictly spiritual point of view, tribes are spiritual things and in these times, many souls take what they can get in terms of incarnational options just to hook back up with their tribe. Plus, the mixing and matching doesn't make "gray" or mocha people, it CAN produce genetic options for great spiritual awakening. Basically, even though he said "you betcha" and talked about tribes, no cigar! Shanequa, I agree with Laura (kind of like the source of our forum source?) that Kramer does have many interesting things to say and says them somewhat eloquently. But one thing I notice is that he doesn't give a lot about his sources in some statements like: It is said that the black tribe is the oldest, they were here first. Then the brown tribe arrived from another star, then the yellow, then the red, and then the white all from different places, different stars. Each tribe came from a different star. Some people feel that the earth belongs to the oldest tribe and some don't and the wisest amongst all tribes know that it belongs to no one. I know giving all your sources is maybe not easy to do in an interview situation but the interview transcript is all we have here to read. Going back to the major source of the forum (the Cs) I found a reference to genetics which may show the complexity of our genetics and how we got them: Session 10 July 1999 (L) Okay, this anthropologist, Michael Harner, was doing some field work, and it says here that Harner went to the Peruvian Amazon to study the culture of the Conibo Indians. After a year or so he had made little headway in understanding their religious system, when the Conibo told him 'if he really wanted to learn, he had to drink ahayahuasca. Harner accepted, not without fear because the people had warned him that the experience was terrifying. Session 10 July 1999 Friday, November 4, 2011 11:36:24 PM US/Eastern https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=23952.msg268475#msg268475 Page 5 The following evening, under the strict supervision of his indigenous friends, he drank the equivalent of a third of a bottle. After several minutes he found himself flying into a world of true hallucinations. After arriving in a celestial cavern where a supernatural carnival of demons was in full swing, he saw two strange boats floating through the air that combined to form a huge dragon headed prow not unlike that of a Viking ship. On the deck he could make out large numbers of people with the heads of bluejays and the bodies of humans, not unlike the bird-headed gods of ancient Egyptian tomb paintings. After multiple episodes, which would be too long to describe here, Harner became convinced that he was dying. He tried calling out to his Conibo friends for an antidote without managing to pronounce a word. Then he saw that his visions emanated from giant reptilian creatures that resided at the lowest depths of his brain. These creatures began projecting scenes in front of his eyes while informing him that this information was reserved for the dying and the dead. 'First, they showed me the planet Earth as it was aeons ago before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see that the specks were actually large, shiny black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies. They explained to me in a kind of thought language, that they were fleeing from something from out in space. They had come to the planet earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinour forms, and thus disguise their presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation and hundreds of millions of years of activity, took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that dragon-like creatures were thus inside all forms of life, including man.' At this point in his account, Harner writes in a footnote at the bottom of the page: 'in retrospect, one could say that they were almost like DNA, although at that time, in 1961, I knew nothing of DNA.' So, I would like to know what was the source and nature of these nearly universal visions that occurs in these shamanistic practices; the various creatures including serpents and bird-headed dudes, and so forth? What is the source of these hallucinations? A: Be more specific. Q: (L) How can I be more specific? (C) In these chemically induced trances, why is there the common experience of seeing these bird-headed or serpent-like creatures? A: While you have physicality, some part of you will maintain the connection to its roots. Q: (L) Are you saying that all these people who say that human beings have reptilian genetics, are telling the truth? Do we have reptilian genetics? A: Yes. Q: (L) Do we also have bird genetics? A: Yes. Q: (L) And that is our physical connection or basis? A: Yes, as third density bioengineered beings, you lead the smorgasbord parade of that which surrounds you in the physical realm. Q: (A) So, we are 3rd density bioengineered beings. (L) That leads to another question: there is a lot of talk about the Merovingian bloodlines, or the 'Nordic Covenant' bloodlines, or whatever label is put on it, being a 'fresher' version of the reptilian genetic strain. This is represented in the myths of the god Oannes of Sumerian fame, or the Quinotaur who impregnated the mother of Merovee while she was bathing in the sea, and even the wife of the founder of the Angevins, Melusine, variously described as an aquatic fairy or a mermaid. So, there is this claim that there is a stronger and more virile reptilian strain in these bloodlines. Is that correct? A: It may be. Q: (L) Well, is that significant in any way? A: For those obsessed with materialism. Well so much for Celtic pride (I think I am of Irish ancestry? who knows for sure) anyway the point I am getting at is I think we are on a spiritual journey of learning that is not restricted totally by our genetics and the C's seem to indicate even our DNA may be changing due to soul development. The bottom line for me is that although our genetics play a role in our current lifetime we all may need to protect the positive and eliminate the negative effects of the genetics we are born with by "work" on ourselves. I don't want to discourage any forum member from sharing interesting ideas but I hope the value of this forum and the original source (the C's) will become even more apparent by comparing the differences from various sources. Gee Shanequa you made me read even more :read: :) Joy to the Tribe! So many interesting things. I'm kind of getting the theory but I'm still struggling with the practice. To get things I have to feel them, and where I'm now is like is on the tip of my tongue but cannot be said . Around that time in July, the psychopath we were living with, told us that he sold the apartment that he promised to give to my partner, his grandson and we have to move out. He's still on my back, telling lies about me. He turned the rest of a family against me and I'm seen as a lazy, good for nothing, because I can't find a job. There are no much jobs left- in Croatia is over 300 000 people unemployed and only 4 000 jobs available. I don't know if I can get out of it myself. But I'm keeping my faith. Thanks for the session. So many interesting things. I'm kind of getting the theory but I'm still struggling with the practice. To get things I have to feel them, and where I'm now is like is on the tip of my tongue but cannot be said . Around that time in July, the psychopath we were living with, told us that he sold the apartment that he promised to give to my partner, his grandson and we have to move out. He's still on my back, telling lies about me. He turned the rest of a family against me and I'm seen as a lazy, good for nothing, because I can't find a job. There are no much jobs left- in Croatia is over 300 000 people unemployed and only 4 000 jobs available. I don't know if I can get out of it myself. But I'm keeping my faith. Thanks for the session. Martina, It is certainly no fun trying to find a job when as one site I found says Croatia's unemployment might be as high as 22%. Many young people in Croatia have given up on trying to find a job and only Italy has a larger number giving up the search for employment. I became unemployed for quite awhile back in 1982. The situation was bad but not even as bad as what you are faced with. I had to make to effort to show proof of applying for a job knowing the situation was bleak. It was at that time I decided to enroll in a business school to get an associates degree in Executive Data Management. Eventually I found employment with a state government information systems position and I am now retired from that job. Anyway, I "feel" for you and the great challenges you are going through. I think that seeing the predators around us does help us to navigate and be more safe. Sometimes I didn't recognize them for awhile myself and still have to stay vigilant. I don't know what your options are right now but I wish you the best in keeping hopeful and that you will maybe find an option that you just haven't thought of yet. Best regards, :hug2: :flowers: goyacobol Interesting video in this article I just posted to sott, doesn't look like a drone to me. _http://www.sott.net/article/292453-French-nuclear-power-plants-drones-and-UFOs-oh-my http://youtu.be/ILab4z4vjqA Interesting video in this article I just posted to sott, doesn't look like a drone to me. _http://www.sott.net/article/292453-French-nuclear-power-plants-drones-and-UFOs-oh-my http://youtu.be/ILab4z4vjqA I don't think we have seen all the drone configurations that exist (in news clips or the MSM). The video made me think of a reference about some UFOs being used as unmanned weapons. I couldn't remember exactly where it was. I found that it was actually in the RA material channeled by Carla Rueckert, Don Elkins, and Jim McCarty between 1981 and 1984. I think the C's mention that they were involved with those communications and they are about 63% accurate. With that in mind and the fact that even the channelers of the RA material were skeptical of what they considered transient conspiracy topics but they still included the following session in book 5. Session 8, January 26, 1981 Questioner: There was a portion of the material from yesterday which I will read where you say “there is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your own people; some are of the group known to you as Orion.” My first question is what did you mean that some of the landings are of your peoples? Ra: I am Ra. Your peoples have, at this time/space present, the technological achievement, if you would call it that, of being able to create and fly the shape and type of craft known to you as unidentified flying objects. Unfortunately for the social memory complex vibratory rate of your peoples, these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use. This further muddles the vibratory nexus of your social memory complex, causing a situation where neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small. Questioner: Are these craft that are from our peoples from what we call planes that are not incarnate at this time? Where are they based? Ra: I am Ra. These of which we spoke are of third density and are part of the so-called military complex of various of your peoples’ societal divisions or structures. The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive. Questioner: Where do the people who operate these craft come from? Are they affiliated with any nation on Earth. What is their source? Ra: These people come from the same place as you or I. They come from the Creator. As you intend the question, in its shallower aspect, these people are those in your and other selves’ governments responsible for what you would term national security. Questioner: Am I to understand then that the United States has these craft in undersea bases? Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. Questioner: How did the United States learn the technology to build these craft? Ra: I am Ra. There was a mind/body/spirit complex known to your people by the vibratory sound complex, Nikola. This entity departed the illusion and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by mind/body/spirit complexes serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples. The entities giving this information were in error, but we did many things at the end of this cycle in attempts to aid your harvest from which we learned the folly of certain types of aid. That is a contributing factor to our more cautious approach at this date, even as the need is power upon power greater, and your peoples’ call is greater and greater. Questioner: I’m puzzled by these craft which have undersea bases. Is this technology sufficient to overshadow all other armaments? Do we have the ability to just fly in these craft or are they just craft for transport? What is the basic mechanism of their power source? It’s really hard to believe is what I’m saying. Ra: I am Ra. The craft are perhaps misnamed in some instances. It would be more appropriate to consider them as weaponry. The energy used is that of the field of electromagnetic energy which polarizes the Earth sphere. The weaponry is of two basic kinds: that which is called by your peoples psychotronic and that which is called by your peoples particle beam. The amount of destruction which is contained in this technology is considerable and the weapons have been used in many cases to alter weather patterns and to enhance the vibratory change which engulfs your planet at this time. Questioner: How have they been able to keep this a secret? Why aren’t these craft in use for transport? Ra: The governments of each of your societal division illusions desire to refrain from publicity so that the surprise may be retained in case of hostile action from what your peoples call enemies. Questioner: How many of these craft does the United States have? Ra: I am Ra. The United States has 573 at this time. They are in the process of adding to this number. Questioner: What is the maximum speed of one of these craft? Ra: I am Ra. The maximum speed of these craft is equal to the Earth energy squared. This field varies. The limit is approximately one-half the light speed, as you would call it. This is due to imperfections in design. Questioner: Would this type of craft come close to solving many of the energy problems as far as transport goes? Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power. Questioner: You also said that some of the landings at this time were of the Orion group. Why did the Orion group land here? What is their purpose? Ra: I am Ra. Their purpose is conquest, unlike those of the Confederation who wait for the calling. The so-called Orion group calls itself to conquest. Questioner: Specifically, what do they do when they land? Ra: There are two types of landings. In the first, entities among your peoples are taken on their craft and programmed for future use. There are two or three levels of programming. First, the level that will be discovered by those who do research. Second, a triggering program. Third, a second and most deep triggering program crystallizing the entity thereby rendering it lifeless and useful as a kind of beacon. This is a form of landing. The second form is that of landing beneath the Earth’s crust which is entered from water. Again, in the general area of your South American and Caribbean areas and close to the so-called northern pole. The bases of these people are underground. Questioner: The most startling information that you have given me, which I must admit that I’m having difficulty believing, is that the United States has 573 craft of the type which you described. How many people of United States designation are aware of these craft, including those who operate them? Ra: I am Ra. The number of your peoples varies, for there are needs to communicate at this particular time/space nexus so that the number is expanding at this time. The approximate number is 1,500. It is only approximate for as your illusory time/space continuum moves from present to present at this nexus many are learning. Questioner: Where are these craft constructed? Ra: These craft are constructed one by one in two locations: in the desert or arid regions of your so-called New Mexico and in the desert or arid regions of your so-called Mexico, both installations being under the ground. Questioner: Am I to believe that the United States actually has a manufacturing plant in Mexico? Ra: I am Ra. I spoke thusly. May I, at this time, reiterate that this type of information is very shallow and of no particular consequence compared to the study of the Law of One. However, we carefully watch these developments in hopes that your peoples are able to be harvested in peace. Questioner: I am totally aware that this line of questioning is of totally no consequence at all, but this particular information is so startling to me that it makes me question your validity on this. Up until this point I was in agreement with everything you had said. This is very startling to me. It just does not seem possible to me that this secret could have been kept for twenty-seven years, and that we are operating these craft. I apologize for my attitude, but I thought that I would be very honest. It is unbelievable to me that we would operate a plant in Mexico, outside of the United States, to build these craft. Maybe I’m mistaken. These craft are physical craft built by physical people? Could I go get in one and ride in one? Is that correct? Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. You could not ride one. The United States, as you call your society divisional complex, creates these as a type of weapon. Questioner: There are no occupants then? No pilot, shall I say? Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Questioner: How are they controlled? Ra: I am Ra. They are controlled by computer from a remote source of data. Questioner: Why do we have a plant in Mexico? Ra: I am Ra. The necessity is both for dryness of the ground and for a near total lack of population. Therefore, your so-called government and the socalled government of your neighboring geographical vicinity arranged for an underground installation. The government officials who agreed did not know the use to which their land would be put, but thought it a governmental research installation for use in what you would call bacteriological warfare. Questioner: Is this the type of craft that Dan Frye was transported in? Ra: I am Ra. The one known as Daniel was, in thought-form, transported by Confederation thought-form vehicular illusion in order to give this mind/body/spirit complex data so that we might see how this type of contact aided your people in the uncovering of the intelligent infinity behind the illusion of limits. Questioner: The reason that I have questioned you so much and so carefully about the craft which you say the United States government operates is that if we include this in the book it will create numerous problems. It is something that I am considering leaving out of the book entirely, or I am going to have to question you in considerable detail about It’s difficult to even question in this area, but I would like to ask a few more questions about it with the possible option of leaving it in the book. What is the diameter of the craft which the United States has? Ra: I am Ra. I suggest that this be the last question for this session. We will speak as you deem fit in further sessions, asking you to be guided by your own discernment only. The approximate diameter, given several model changes, is twenty-three of your feet, as you measure. Thanks to goyacobol for inspiring me to do some more research. I have not had access to the works of Gurdjieff, Mouravieff or Castaneda, or any knowledge of Sufism, I have only read the references to them in the transcripts and in the forum. Methinks in order for me to assist the tribal group soul, I need to get some more knowledge. I hope the library stocks them. MusicMan, Thanks for the inspiration complement but I am just a result of Laura, the C's and other forum members inspiration myself. I do have to say it is not very often anyone gives me that much reinforcement so I'll try not to let it go to my head. Hopefully we can continue to inspire each other and build the Tribal Unit. You have inspired me to check the books I have found for free download as PDFs. I should have saved the links when I downloaded them but since I didn't I decided to find links for most of them to possibly save you some "time". It may give you an idea of how to find more sources. The PDFs that display on the web page can be saved by right-clicking and opening in Adobe then going to "file" in Adobe and choosing "save as PDF" (maybe too much information if you already know,sorry). Some sites send the PDF's to your download location on your PC. Gurdjieff and Ouspensky: _http://livingpresence.com/our-publications.html Ouspensky (In Search Of The Miraculous) : _http://www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf Boris Mouravieff: _http://bookzz.org/g/Boris%20Mouravieff Carlos Castenada: _http://moonmetaphysics.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/carlos-castaneda-all-books-in-one.pdf I don't have much on Sufism except for some whirling videos from YouTube. This has helped me refresh my memory and locate some new possibilities for more reading myself Hope this helps and happy reading. Thanks Goyacobol for the list. Today I managed to source C. S. Nott's 'Teachings of Gurdjieff' as well as Carlos Castaneda's 'A Separate Reality', as well as 'Edgar Cayce on ESP' from Doris Agee. Methinks I will be going back to those second hand bookshops. Before I do, I have some reading to do. Thanks Goyacobol for the list. Today I managed to source C. S. Nott's 'Teachings of Gurdjieff' as well as Carlos Castaneda's 'A Separate Reality', as well as 'Edgar Cayce on ESP' from Doris Agee. Methinks I will be going back to those second hand bookshops. Before I do, I have some reading to do. You are quite welcome MusicMan. I am glad you found it useful. Happy reading! Thank you for another great session, this one hit home.
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Laura (L) i Andromeda za pločom Prisutni: Pierre, Perceval, Ark, Chu, parallel, Breton, Windmill Knight, Prodigal Son, Data, Mr. Scott, Kniall, Galatea i Noko the Wonderdog (pas, op. prev.) (koji je opet spavao kroz cijelu sesiju i probudio se taman prije završnih pozdrava) Pitanje (P): (L) Danas je 6. prosinac 2014. Odgovor (O): Fina vatra večeras! Ginollia od Kasiopeje je prisutna za sadašnji raspored/pretvaranje energije. P: (L) To je bio temeljiti uvod. S nama je OKP tip (opsesivno-kompulzivni poremećaj, op. prev.). [smijeh] Ispričavam se, malo sam se šalila. Sve ste obuhvatili. O: Samo pokušavamo pomoći sačuvati tvoju energiju! P: (L) Pretpostavljam kako to znači da mi je potrebna pomoć u očuvanju moje energije… O: Da. P: (L) OK, dobro, nećemo sad ulaziti u to. E sada, željela sam postaviti pitanje temeljeno na nečemu o čemu smo već govorili – pa, zapravo se pričalo o nekoliko stvari – u posljednjoj sesiji. Oh, ma zamisli to. Okrenula sam ovu stranicu i tu piše: Sesija 11. listopad 2014. O: Vrijeme je da sjedneš u psihomantijum ili nešto slično s unaprijed pripremljenim olovkom i papirom. P: (L) Zašto su mi potrebni unaprijed pripremljeni papir i olovka? O: Zato što imamo kompleksne stvari za prenijeti i to će uštedjeti energiju. (L) Dakle pričamo o očuvanju energije. I onda sam tijekom iste sesije rekla: P: (L) Moraju li to biti pitanja od općeg interesa, ili je moguće da, recimo, na primjer, drugi ljudi mogu poslati pitanja kako bi se na njih moglo odgovoriti na ovaj način? O: Molili bismo da ograničite osobna pitanja. (L) I to je tema kojom bi se htjela pozabaviti: osobna pitanja. Primjetila sam puno puta, kada bi započeli s donekle osobnim pitanjem da bi to dovelo do nečega što je od općeg interesa. Dakle, zanima me: postoji li neka… Hoću reći, pretpostavljam da osobno pitanje nije… Pa, da postoje različite klasifikacije. Neka osobna pitanja bi mogla biti osobna, ali su općenito interesantna, a druga osobna pitanja se odnose isključivo na određenog pojedinca. U tom slučaju, je li u redu postavljati pitanja koja su, ili bi mogla biti, od općeg interesa ili koja mogu dovesti do rasprava koje su od općeg interesa? O: Obrati pažnju na ovo: pitanja koja crpe i koja uzrokuju OPS energije najčešće postavljaju pojedinci koji nemaju frekvencije usklađene s tobom i tvojim općim težnjama da koristiš sve kako bi služila drugima. P: (L) Dakle, to ovisi o namjeri i usklađenosti frekvencija? O: Manje-više. Kod takvih osoba je prisutna sklonost postavljanja pitanja isključivo s namjerom da se ovaj izvor “iskoristi” u sebične svrhe. P: (L) Pa, da, ali ima ljudi koji su poprilično očajni u fizičkim okolnostima, poput okolnosti vezanih za bolest i tako dalje, gdje je donekle razumljivo da se ponašaju mrvicu sebično. O: Da, ali obrati pažnju na to da su takvi pojedinci često prijatelji s tobom dok god imaju nekakve koristi od toga. Dolaze isključivo jer žele/trebaju nešto, ali zauzvrat jako malo daju. P: (L) Ima li još netko kakvo pitanje čime bi to razjasnili? {Više njih vrti glavom} Dakle, drugim riječima, “ograničavanje osobnih pitanja” nije kruta zapovijed, nego je fleksibilna. U nekim slučajevima, osobna pitanja mogu biti od pomoći drugim ljudima koji se mogu nalaziti u sličnim okolnostima. Dobro, što se tiče stvari vezanih za zdravlje, mislim kako je istraživanje najčešće najpametniji izbor. (Perceval) Zamislite si nekoga, na primjer, sa zdravstvenim poteškoćama, ako je taj puno radio na sebi u smislu pokušaja da riješi svoj problem i prikupio više informacija koje je podijelio sa svima putem sesije, onda to u svojoj suštini spada više u pitanja od općeg interesa. (L) Primjetila sam zadnji put kad je Rabelais želio pitati vezano za rak, i pitao je vezano za teoriju tog i tog doktora je li ona korisna. Pa, to nikome ne pomaže. Objasniti teoriju i pročitati je naglas… no s druge strane, to je nešto o čemu sam možeš donijeti sud i podijeliti putem foruma. (Perceval) Upravo tako. Odradiš što je u tvojoj moći, i onda će pitanje koje ćeš osmisliti, to pitanje će onda biti više od općeg interesa. Ili kad pitaju: “Što se događa s mojim nožnim palcem? Zašto me boli nožni palac?” (Andromeda) Da, na taj način bi prije svega vraćao nešto drugim ljudima, i koristio vlastitu energiju kako bi našao odgovore. (Chu) I to bi bilo ključno, jer onda bi vraćali nešto nazad mreži. (L) Ako se ne umrežavaš, što onda radiš? To me pomalo dovodi do sljedećeg pitanja. U zadnjoj sesiji pričali smo o DNK promjenama: Sesija 11. listopad 2014. (L) Dakle, tekuća DNK… Ovdje pomalo imamo potvrdu toga što su Kasiopejci davnih dana pričali, da DNK može mijenjati oblik iz krutog u tekući – vezano za napomenu o prekinutom toku tekućine u kontekstu genetskog inžinjeringa – kako bi inficirala stanicu. Ali također znamo kako DNK također može proizvesti pozitivne promjene. Vjerojatnost je kako imamo DNK koja nas je inficirala u određenom trenutku u prošlosti. Ona je prekinula tok neke druge DNK koja već postoji u našim stanicama, ali ništa ne radi jer je blokirana infekcijom koja je ubacila INTRONE blokada. Postoji mogućnost, nagađam, da se to u određenom trenutku, može promijeniti ili poništiti možda – vjerojatno – putem virusa. E sada, jesam li na dobrom tragu? O: Oh doista! Vremena koja slijede će biti naročito interesantna ako se mreža proširi do pune snage plemenske jedinice, i mnogi drugi preuzmu inicijativu kako bi se popeli za jednu stepenicu. (L) E sad, nešto zbilja interesantno se dogodilo ovog ljeta. Pa, zapravo se počelo događati tokom jeseni prošle godine kada smo imali te sastanke ovdje. Pričali smo o uvođenju promjena i odlukama i stvarnostima koje se mijenjaju. {Napravili smo video snimke vezane za te teme pokazujući kako nas pravljenje izbora može odvesti u drugačiju stvarnost} I baš usred održavanja tih radionica, otkrili smo, k vragu, kako je na prodaju poljoprivredno imanje koje se nalazilo niz cestu nedaleko od nas! Nekoliko mjeseci nam je trebalo kako bi se odlučili hoćemo li se upustiti u pregovaranje, i onda je još nekoliko mjeseci bilo potrebno da se pregovori privedu kraju. Za to vrijeme, imali smo također posla s grupom koja je preko u SAD-u, i postojala je tamo prijeka potreba za stalnim prostorom. Kad se sve zbroji i oduzme, u srpnju smo, ako se ne varam, došli do kuće u SAD-u, tijekom prvog ili drugog tjedna srpnja, i onda smo do poljoprivrednog imanja došli 22. srpnja. Dakle, u srpnju smo poduzeli konačne korake koji mijenjaju stvarnost kako bi u suštini proširili snagu naše plemenske cjeline, da se tako izrazim. I onda, jedna užasno zanimljiva stvar se dogodila za koju nisam saznala do studenog: naš stari prijatelj Vinnie Bridges je preminuo 25. srpnja, samo tri dana nakon što smo ovdje kupili imanje, i otprilike deset dana nakon što smo kupili prostor u SAD-u. Nije mi uopće palo na pamet da bi mogla postojati veza između ovih događaja sve dok nedavno nisam razmišljala o tome i onda mi se to učinilo zanimljivim. Sjećam se – mislim da se radilo o posljednjoj sesiji – kako smo pričali o toj snazi plemenske cjeline, i također o ovom polju sila ili energetskoj barijeri koju generiramo unutar ove kuće i kako ljudi koji su se suočili s tom energetskom barijerom, a da svojom frekvencijom nisu usklađeni, te se nalaze na pogrešnom mjestu u pogrešno vrijeme, imaju raznih poteškoća (najblaže rečeno). I onda mi je palo na pamet da JEST zanimljivo to što su dva od naših najistaknutijih napadača/klevetnika sada mrtvi. Jedan od njih je bio Andy Rowland koji je preminuo u prosincu prošle godine (u noći na Božić, koliko sam čula), i onda, Vincent Bridges je umro gotovo točno 7 mjeseci kasnije, ponovno na 25. dan mjeseca. Pa sam počela razmišljati o “nultoj godini” o kojoj smo raspravljali prije nekoliko godina, govoreći o 2014. godini. Znam da ovdje debelo nagađam, ali Andy Rowland je živio u Velikoj Britaniji, a Vincent je umro samo nekoliko godina nakon što se preselio u Europu. To me se tako snažno dojmilo jer sam gledala Vincentove fotografije, u knjizi za goste pogrebnog poduzeća koje se brinulo o njegovoj sahrani, i vidjela sam da su tu bile fotografije iz njegove davne prošlosti pa sve do vremena prije nego što je umro. U 2009., on je izgledao normalno i zdravo. Nakon 2010. godine, kada je došao u Europu i vjerojatno pomogao pokrenuti policijsku istragu protiv nas i sudjelovati u njoj, sve mu je pošlo strašno nizbrdo. Ne želim to tumačiti na svoj način, ali kao da je došao u kontakt s nečime što ga je zbilja uništilo. Pa me je to natjeralo na razmišljanje o prethodno opisanom energetskom polju oko nas, u koje oni s mračnim ili negativnim frekvencijama udare kao u zid kad ga sretnu, da se tako izrazim. Hoću reći, daleko smo mi od Praga, ali svejedno, s ove strane bare smo. Pa sam se počela pitati je li to možda jer je bio s ove strane Atlantskog oceana, gdje se mi nalazimo? I samo me zanima – špekuliram – postoji li veza između njegove smrti 25. srpnja i našeg mijenjanja naše stvarnosti kupovinom ta dva imanja koja će nam omogućiti proširenje snage naše plemenske cjeline na konkretan način? To je moje pitanje. Zvuči li to kao ludo pitanje? (Perceval) Ludo je isključivo ako nije istinito. [smijeh] (Pierre) To je začetak supermoći! (L) Postoji li neka veza? O: Riječima filozofa: dakako! P: (Perceval) Koji je to filozof rekao? (Galatea) To bi također moglo objasniti zašto se ljudi razbole kada putuju: jer ulaze u tuđi dom gdje je njihova obrana slabija. Promjena frekvencije te oslabi. (Perceval) Dakle, neka vrsta “smrtonosne zrake” je ispaljena iz ove kuće na Vinnieja Bridgesa u Pragu i to ga je usmrtilo? O: Smijurija! Dogodio se, zapravo, izboj energije pri postignuću cilja i to je rezoniralo unutar planetarnog polja. Nesreća je što je Bridges bio podešen na krivi frekvencijski uzorak. Pretražite tadašnje vijesti kako bi našli znakove i pozitivne i negativne prirode! P: (Pierre) Je li Bridges bio jedina žrtva ovog izboja energije? O: Ne. P: (Perceval) Rekli su da pretražimo vijesti kako bi našli još neke znakove… Pierre je obavio pretragu sa sljedećim rezultatima: John Blundell, engleski ekonomist (r. 1952) Johann Breyer, časnik njemačkog SS-a (r. 1925) Louis Lentin, irski režiser i producent (r. 1933) Robert Newhouse, igrač američkog nogometa (r. 1950) Nitzan Shirazi, izraelski nogometaš i menadžer (r. 1971) 23. srpanj Dora Bryan, engleska glumica i pjevačica (r. 1923) Norman Leyden, američki skladatelj i dirigent (r. 1917) 2014 – Ariano Suassuna, brazilski pisac i dramatičar (r. 1927) 2014 – Jordan Tabor, engleski nogometaš (r. 1990) 2014 – Bill Thompson, američki televizijski voditelj (r. 1931) 2014 – Saado Ali Warsame, somalijski pjevač i političar (r. 1950) 2014 – Joseph Wood, američki ubojica (r. 1958) 24. srpanj 2014 – Ik-Hwan Bae, južnokorejsko-američki violinist (r. 1956) 2014 – Yoo Chae-yeong, južnokorejsko-američka pjevačica, tekstopisac i glumica (r. 1973) 2014 – Christian Falk, švedski pjevač, tekstopisac i svirač bas-gitare (Imperiet) (r. 1962) 2014 – Dale Schlueter, američki košarkaš (r. 1945) 2014 – Hans-Hermann Sprado, njemački novinar i pisac (r. 1956) 25. srpanj 2014 – Carlo Bergonzi, talijanski tenor i glumac (r. 1924) 2014 – Alan C. Greenberg, američki biznismen (r. 1927) 2014 – Çolpan Ilhan, turska glumica (r. 1936) 2014 – Bel Kaufman, njemačko-američki pisac i akademik (r. 1911) 2014 – Richard Larter, australski slikar i ilustrator (r. 1929) 26. srpanj 2014 – Oleh Babayev, ukrajinski političar (r. 1965) 2014 – Charles R. Larson, američki admiral (r. 1936) 2014 – Richard MacCormac, engleski arhitekt, osnivač MJP arhitekata (r. 1938) 2014 – Sergei O. Prokofieff, ruski antropozof i pisac (r. 1954) 2014 – Roland Verhavert, belgijski režiser, producent i scenarist (r. 1927) (L) Pa, ako je ovo narav događaja koje bi mi možda mogli postići… [smijeh] (Galatea) Zamislite što bi sve mogli! (Perceval) Brzo, kupimo još jedno imanje! [smijeh] (L) Prije nekoliko godina imali smo problem s prefekturom u Gersu. I dobili smo tada obavijest od prefekta da u roku od 30 dana moramo otići iz Francuske zbog gluposti koje su pokrenuli Vinnie Bridges i Marten Jukema. I naš prijatelj, I***, zauzeo se izravno kod jednog od francuskih ministara, {ime cenzurirano}, a ovaj se zauzeo za nas kod prefekta. U to vrijeme, I*** mi je prenijeo osobnu usmenu poruku francuskog ministra, i rekao je, “Imaš neprijatelje na jako visokim položajima.” Dobro, nisam to tada shvatila pretjerano ozbiljno. Bože, tko sam ja? Kućanica s neuobičajenim odabirom karijere? Ali s ovim nedavnim problemima tijekom zadnjih nekoliko godina, policijskom istragom 2010. godine, za ime Božje, i onda FISC istragom 2011.-2012., to me tjera na razmišljanje. Baš nedavno doživjeli smo potvrdu, recimo, kad nam je naša banka poslala pismo u kojem stoji da nam zatvaraju račun nakon 11 godina poslovanja uz obostrano zadovoljstvo. Nakon što smo mjesecima pokušavali otvoriti račun u desetak drugih banaka, i nakon što su nas stalno odbijali nakon početnog primanja, postalo je jasno da se nešto događa, da moje ime pokreće neku vrstu upozorenja u bankovnom sustavu. Nakon više mjeseci isprika, gluposti, i dezinformacija, Chu je napokon naletila na suosjećajnog bankara koji je išao provjeravati i rekao joj da ovaj problem s našim bankarenjem postoji jer netko na jako visokom položaju ima upravo mene na piku – čak se ni ne radi o FATCA-i. Također, postoje naznake od jednog drugog izvora, koji ima pristup insajderskim informacijama, tj. kompjuterskoj bazi podataka, da se Ministarstvo rada i socijalne skrbi (“social security system” u izvorniku, op. prev.) sprema pokrenuti istragu protiv nas. E sad, kad se sve to skupa uzme u obzir, i shvati da postoji dosta posrednih dokaza da se nešto zbilja čudno događa, uzevši u obzir ove događaje s Andyjem i Vinniejem, zanima me kada će naši napori uroditi uzvraćanjem napada tim likovima na vrhu? [smijeh] O: Imajte na umu da neki od tih vrsta pojedinaca imaju zaštitu putem OPS izvora koji djeluju na globalnoj razini. Proći će dosta vremena prije no što vaša grupa ili plemenska jedinica postigne tu razinu projekcijske moći. Međutim, mora se reći kako je kritična masa puno manja nego što bi vi očekivali da je potrebna, zbog pojačanja umreženih energija. Dakle, neka vam svijest bude izoštrena i samo nastavite, obzirom da su OPD snage na vašoj strani. P: (L) OK. Obzirom da smo na ovoj temi, i obzirom da se čini kako je plemenska jedinica nekako važna stvar, pretpostavljam da bi trebali postaviti neka pitanja o tome vezano za lokalnu razinu. Imamo ovu kuću, i imamo kuću koja se nalazi niz cestu. Međutim, postoji određeni problem oko kojeg bi htjela da nam pomognete, i znam da je pomalo osobno, ali pomozite nam. Zanima me kakve konkretno probleme ima Breton vezano za njegovu borbu da se pomiri s time što mi ovdje radimo i što pokušavamo postići. Jesam li se izrazila na pravi način, Breton? Imaš poteškoća pomiriti se s time? (Breton) Hm, ne svjesno, ali… (L) Oh, OK. Kaže da nije svjesno. Dobro, OK, znači da… O: Upozorenje, u ovom slučaju! Breton je naglo raskinuo psihičke i eterične veze koje su ga vezivale za određeni plan i milje. Posljedica toga jest da je rastrgao veo trostrukog ciklusa i gubi energiju. Rezultat je ono što ste svi vi primjetili: nagli gubitak funkcionalne intelektualne moći. P: (Perceval) Koje su to veze što ga vežu za određeni plan i milje? (L) Jesi li to shvatio, Breton? (Breton) Da, uglavnom. (L) Da li imaš popratno pitanje? (Breton) Zaprepašten sam. (Perceval) Želiš li da ti to još jednom pročitam? (Breton) Još jednom. [odgovor se još jednom čita] (L) Ne razumijem. Možeš li… (Chu) Što je veo trostrukog ciklusa? (L) Veo trostrukog ciklusa se nalazi u sesijama… Tijelo, emocije i duša su stvarčice trostrukog ciklusa. Dakle, on ima životni plan koji je napustio? (Chu) Rekli su “milje”, pa nagađam da je to vezano za njegovu obitelj. (Perceval) Da, rekli su, “određeni plan i milje”. (L) Mislim da trebate biti određeniji jer ne znamo… Breton kaže da je u šoku, pa ne može postaviti pitanje, a i mi nemamo pojma. Dakle, možemo li biti određeniji? Znam da je pitanje nejasno, ali možete li nam ovdje pomoći oko ovoga? O: Recimo to ovako: to je slično onome o čemu se pričalo vezano za frekvencijsku rezonantnu vibraciju (FRV). Breton je u stvarnosti “ostavio svoje istinsko ja za sobom” kod svoje djece i samo su tjelesni centri prisutni ovdje. P: (Galatea) Je li to kao njegova unaprijed planirana sudbina, kao da je planirao nešto uraditi prije nego što je došao ovdje, ali sada on to ne radi? O: Upravo tako, iako je on to intelektualizirao kao da pravi pripreme za svoju djecu. Breton, što se događa kada sve pripremiš u materijalnom smislu, ali djeca nisu spremna u duhovnom i emocionalnom smislu? P: (L) Možeš li na to odgovoriti, Breton? (Breton) Ne, ne mogu na to odgovoriti. Pretpostavljam da sam mislio kako priprema i kretanje u pravom smjeru prema cilju dovode do razjašnjenja. Nije u potpunosti jasno kako bi se ja i djeca ponovo našli skupa i na koji način, ali morao sam poduzeti prve korake. O: Prije bi trebao naći načina da učiniš oboje; moraš nastaviti karmički razvoj s tim dušama i istovremeno podržavati mrežni rad i sigurnosnu mrežu za koju se nadaš da će te primiti. P: (Galatea) Što se ono gubi? (L) Energija. (Pierre) Energija, jer dio njega je ovdje, a dio njega je tamo, pa je rastrgan. (L) Dobro… Dakle, drugim riječima… drugim riječima, pojma nemam. (Pierre) Problem se da riješiti. Ako je rastrgan, problem se može riješiti tako da se ti centre ponovo spoje: neka ide tamo gdje mu je duša, neka im pomogne, neka se nalazi s njima što je više moguće, i pruži im ljubav, i psihološku i emocionalnu podršku. Neka ih pripremi i na taj način. U međuvremenu, neka radi što je godinama radio: nastavi podržavati mrežu. Gdje se nalaziš nije bitno. Sve će se dogoditi u pravom trenutku, pa imaj vjere da će se sve to razriješiti. O: Patiš od pomanjkanja vjere u proces i dozvolio si da strah donosi odluke umjesto tebe. P: (Chu) Ako ti išta znači, koliko ja shvaćam, zbog tog pomanjkanja vjere u proces si odabrao to intelektualizirati kao ispravnu odluku da za njih napraviš materijalne pripreme ovdje, jer to je nešto opipljivo što možeš vidjeti. Ali duhovna ili emocionalna priprema je kudikamo nejasnija i zahtjeva puno više vjere. Ako budeš uz njih, to bi ih moglo bolje pripremiti za kasnije kada moraju poduzeti teže ili neophodne korake… O: Ako nisi tamo usmjeravajući razvoj situacije i istovremeno prateći znakove, kako ćeš biti u stanju učiniti što je potrebno za njih kada bude potrebno? P: (L) Dobro, u redu onda. (Breton) Ne znam kako ću usmjeravati svoju djecu obzirom da žive s tom… damom. Imao sam osjećaj da situacija nije pod mojom kontrolom. O: Na taj način pridaješ tome više moći nego što zapravo ima, i nisi razvio nužnu silu i vještine kako bi premostio zapreke. P: (L) Možda je došlo vrijeme za kompromis: preseli se tamo u blizinu gdje ona živi. (Breton) Da, možda je to vještina koju bi trebao razvijati: biti u stanju odgajati djecu u tim uvjetima jer imam ugovor s tim dušama. (Chu) I ako si im bliže, imaš više utjecaja i kontakta s njima. (Pierre) I motivacije, također. Čini se da si to na razini duše odabrao. Dakle, to je jako duboka obaveza, i trebala bi ti dati jako snažnu motivaciju. Nije vrijeme za žaljenje. I znaš što moraš napraviti, i to je sjajno. Rijetkost je u našim životima da znamo da je nešto naš put, naša sudbina. (Breton) I možda sam pogriješio. Mislio sam da dolazeći ovamo na najbolji način slijedim svoj cilj. Ali možda još uvijek mogu slijediti cilj grupe u drugačijim uvjetima. (Perceval) Pa, naravno. Svi ostali to čine. Svi ostali koji nisu ovdje slijede cilj iako nisu ovdje. (Breton) Samo sam pomislio kako sam čuo poziv, i mislio sam kako se odnosi na mene. Ali možda nije bilo pravo vrijeme za doći ovamo. (Chu) Možda nije stvar u tome tko je u pravu, a tko u krivu. Izrazio si joj svoj stav kada si odlučio da se nećeš preseliti u njenu blizinu. Ali sada, možda je vrijeme da se taj put izabere iz drugih razloga? (Breton) Način na koji sam mislio služiti cilju je trebao biti drugačiji, možda. (L) OK, to me dovodi do jednog drugog pitanja. Čitala sam sav taj materijal o biblijskoj kritici. U poglavlju koje sam upravo završila se raspravljalo o činjenici da je postojao konflikt između određenih izreka koje su pripisane Isusu u tekstovima evanđelja i također u Djelima apostolskim. Što god da je u njima, odražava nešto što se odvijalo u vrijeme njihovog pisanja, a ne autentično izvještavanje o nekome tko se zvao Isus. Ukratko, ono što stoji u evanđeljima odražava kasnije brige autora tih tekstova. Da ne ulazim pretjerano u detalje, postoje dvije stvari, dva načina življenja, koja su si međusobno suprotstavljena unutar tih tekstova. Prvi, postoje brojne izreke gdje pričaju o tome kako moraš predati sav svoj novac, svoja dobra, i manje-više postati kao cinični filozof i lutati gore-dolje cestama i preobraćati ljude… Kao kad je Isus pričao s bogatašem i rekao: “Odi i prodaj sve što imaš, i slijedi me.” Ali postoje i naredbe na drugim mjestima gdje se govori o tome da pojedinac koji ne vodi brigu o svojoj obitelji i ne vodi brigu o vanjskom svijetu – slično Gurdjieffovom konceptu “obivatela” – čini gori grijeh od nevjerovanja u Isusa. Radi se o sramoćenju svojih roditelja, svoje obitelji, i tako dalje. Dakle postoje te dvije dijametralno suprotne perspektive u tekstovima, i one iskaču na čudnim mjestima. Kao da je cinična verzija iz nežidovske perspektive, a strogo poštivanje zakona (poštuj oca i majku, itd.) iz židovske perspektive. Upravo taj analitičar – Robert Price – je to razriješio tako da je istaknuo kako je budizam, koji je začet otprilike 600. g. pr. Kr., postojao nekoliko stotina godina kao vrlo strog, asketski način dostizanja nirvane, čega god. Tu je sve posvećeno nirvani, treba biti redovnik, povući se iz svijeta, meditirati, i raditi štogod kako bi se postigla ta nirvana da bi se oslobodili cijelog zemaljskog ciklusa; postati ništa, stopiti se s kozmičkim umom, ili što već. I onda otprilike 100. g. pr. Kr. dogodilo se “novo otkrivenje” u budizmu. Pojavila se i širila nova vrsta budizma. Radilo se o Putu Bodhisattve, gdje je osoba mogla odabrati ostati u svijetu – drugim riječima, prestati razmišljati svake minute svakog dana o bijegu s ovog svijeta, i razmišljati o ostanku na ovom svijetu uz obavezu da se što je moguće više teži savršenosti, znajući kako ćeš zbog nepovlačenja u redovničku situaciju možda živjeti još brojne živote, ali proživjeti ćeš ih u služenju drugima. Mislim kako se tu radilo o ideji da je to dobronamerniji način kako biti budist, barem onakav kakvog obični ljudi mogu slijediti bez obzira na puriste izvornog oblika koji su to tada proglasili varanjem ili racionalizacijom. Danas je to dosta dobro prihvaćeno. Dakle, obje vrste budizma se danas prakticiraju, ali čini se da prevladava ideja služenja drugima bez povlačenja u samostan. Dakle to se sve skupa svodi na to što je lakše, i što je teže. (Pierre) Da, i zovu se Veliko vozilo i Malo vozilo, mislim. (L) Kako god dakle, ovaj Robert Price tvrdi kako je to ono što on misli da primjećuje: da je postojala slična stvar u ranom kršćanstvu; postojao je taj teži put gdje si mogao postati nešto poput ciničnog filozofa i tumarati cestom gore i dolje, spašavati ljude, spavati uz cestu, dragi Gospod brine o svemu, itd. Što je u suprotnosti onima koji su brinuli o poslu, svojim obiteljima, i također o redovnicima i filozofima. Dakle, u bilo kojem slučaju, ovu pozadinu objašnjavam jer, obzirom na te neke stvari koje su rečene o plemenskoj jedinici, i mrežama i stvarima, čini se kako ti ljudi koji na određene načine podržavaju mrežu, ili na koji god način mogu, dok god su dio toga i dok god se umrežavaju, ne moraju odustati od svog života, od svojih poslova, od bilo čega, i preseliti se u zajednicu, jer i dalje imaju koristi od prednosti umrežavanja; odnosno, oni doslovno primaju kad daju i pomažu, te daju podršku. Očito, zajednica je jedan specifičan oblik. Radi se o intenzivnom obliku. Ali ipak, naše zajednice se razlikuju od redovničkih zajednica, jer smo poprilično “unutar svijeta” u određenom smislu. Jesam li na dobrom tragu s tom usporedbom između težeg i lakšeg puta budizma, i težeg i lakšeg puta kršćanstva? I ovo o čemu pričamo u smislu zajednica i drugih članova u našim zajednicama, je li to manje-više ono o čemu pričamo ovdje? Da je biti dio mreže na koji god način možeš jednako vrijedno kao i odustajanje od svega i odlazak u zajednicu? O: Manje-više. Ali budite svjesni da je i dalje potrebno u konkretno ovom vremenu pripremiti se kako bi zaista primili i pomogli ostalima koji su na vanjskim rubovima mreže. P: (L) OK. Ako su ljudi u potpunosti angažirani u mreži, hoće li na vrijeme dobiti informacije? O: Da, ključni izraz ovdje je “u potpunosti angažirani” na bilo koji i svaki mogući način. P: (Chu) Dakle ako sjede na ogradi, neće? (Galatea) Moraju se tome posvetiti. (L) Da, ali možeš se nečemu posvetiti i ostati na istom mjestu u svakodnevnom životu. Ne moraš se nečemu posvetiti i jednostavno prestati biti oprezan. (Pierre) U potpunosti angažirati na svaki mogući način… (L) Mislim da to znači ono što je moguće za tu osobu. O: Da. P: (Perceval) Prethodni odgovor je bio da je i dalje potrebno pripremiti se kako bi zapravo primili i pomogli ostalima koji su na vanjskim rubovima mreže. To se odnosi na nas i pripremu kako bi, na primjer, učinkovito djelovali kao posrednici za sve ostale? (Ark) Mislim kako je najvažnije postići što je više moguće REZULTATA, znate? Pa ako ste negdje i vidite da niste pri optimalnoj snazi jer nešto gubite, ne možete ostvariti najviše rezultate. Na nekom drugom mjestu, možete vidjeti rezultate onoga što radite. (L) Pa ako ne vidite rezultate u svom životu, morate iznova promisliti o onome što se događa. (Ark) Da. (L) Ima li još netko kakvo pitanje vezano za to? (Chu) Samo komentar. Rekla bih da ako se to primjeni onako kako je Perceval to nama govorio, ili zajednici iz SAD-a na primjer, priprema za pomaganje i primanje ostalih ljudi, kako bi to mogli još i više, potrebno je da oni koji su na vanjskim rubovima rade što je moguće… (L) …kako bi ih mi mogli primiti! O: Da da da!! P: (Chu) Nije kao da bi samo trebali sjediti i čekati… O: Snaga plemenske jedinice bi trebala biti cilj! P: (Perceval) Onda znači taj posljednji odgovor da postoji potreba u konkretno ovim vremenima, to znači da se ljudi koji su tamo negdje u mreži moraju umrežavati i proširivati mrežu, te pomagati jedni drugima. (L) U središtu mreže, to je ovdje gdje smo mi i ljudi u kući u SAD-u, moraju biti pripremljeni i spremni. Drugim riječima, ljudi na vanjskim rubovima mreže mogu zasad ostati tamo gdje su sada i biti dio mreže, te znati da ako se dogode određene okolnosti i uvjeti, IMAJU gdje otići. O: Gdje ulažeš svoju energiju, uključujući financije, tamo je tvoje srce i tamo ćeš biti privučen i primljen kada vrijeme za to dođe. [noga stola je počela škripiti tijekom ovog odgovora] P: (Chu) Razmišljala sam kako je najjasnije objašnjenje kako nije bitno gdje se nalaziš, nego je bitno tko si i što vidiš. (L) Jer mjesto gdje se nalaziš, AKO vidiš znakove, možeš promijeniti ako je to potrebno. (Chu) Da, i ljudi su zabrinuti oko priprema, ali brinu o “gdje” prije nego što brinu o tome gdje im je srce. (Pierre) Nije samo bitno tko si, nego i ono što daješ. (Perceval) Gdje ulažeš svoju energiju. (L) Ima li još netko nešto za reći? (Ark) Da. (L) Što? (Ark) Zaboravio sam. [smijeh] Ne, hoću reći, imam dvije kratke rečenice. Prva je: dužnosti na prvom mjestu. Druga je: rezultati su bitni. Ako imaš neispunjene dužnosti, onda ne možeš polučiti najbolje rezultate. Dakle, prva stvar je izvršavati svoje dužnosti. Što bolje izvršavaš svoje dužnosti, više energije možeš dati mreži, i onda više energije može doći tebi. (L) Drugim riječima, “kako možeš jesti puding ako nisi pojeo svoje meso?” (Pierre) Kako možeš jesti svoju masnu bombu kad nisi pojeo svoju slaninu? (Galatea) Imam jedno sićušno pitanje? Kako možemo ojačati našu epifizu? Koje još metode postoje da ih možemo koristiti? (L) Zašto bi htjela ojačati svoju epifizu? (Galatea) Da razvijemo vidovnjačke sposobnosti. (L) Ne, nije ona. To je hipofiza. (Galatea) Oh, hipofiza, ispričavam se. O: Prehrana i detoksikacija. (Galatea) To je sve? O: Kanaliziranje također pomaže ako je netko prikladan kandidat. P: (L) Drugim riječima, ako nisi prikladan kandidat, nemoj to raditi. O: Da. P: (Perceval) Tu vrebaju zmajevi. (Chu) Dobro, pitanje koje će svi postaviti na forumu jest: kako netko zna je li prikladan kandidat? (Perceval) Neka koristi svoju intuiciju! [smijeh] O: Pojedinci koji su zbilja prikladni kandidati i sposobni za održavanje korisne OPD komunikacije su RIJETKI. To podjednako ovisi o genetici, potencijalu duše i profilu sudbinske misije, te pripremi. SVE to je potrebno u pravoj kombinaciji. P: (L) Dakle, činjenica da ste to spomenuli Galatei, znači li to da je moguće da ona ima pravu kombinaciju? O: Jako moguće! P: (Galatea) Kao, dogodit će se, ili će se možda dogoditi? O: Ovisi o tebi. (“Up 2 U” u izvorniku, op. prev.) (L) Dakle, slala si poruke, ha? (Andromeda) To je bila Galatea iz budućnosti! [smijeh] HV, HV! (L) Što znači “HV”? (Galatea) Hvala vam. (L) OK, mislim da želim završiti za večeras ako nitko nema ništa hitno. Postoji li nešto što moramo znati? Nismo postavljali pitanja vezana za stanje u svijetu. (Pierre) Imam pitanje vezano za bespilotne letjelice. Brojne bespilotne letjelice su primjećene iznad francuskih nuklearnih elektrana. Jesu li to zbilja bespilotne letjelice? O: Da. P: (Pierre) Tko njima upravlja? O: Ne biste li ti i vojska željeli to znati? P: (Andromeda) Dakle ne radi se o vojsci… (Perceval) Vjerojatno su samo… OK, dakle ne radi se samo o nekim mještanima. (Pierre) Iznad cijele zemlje – već tjednima. O: Tko špijunira svakoga posvuda? P: (Perceval) NSA. (Pierre) Mossad. O: Dovoljno blizu! P: (Pierre) Zašto? O: Kako bi nastavili s pritiskom na Francusku. P: (Pierre) Poput prijetnje. (Perceval) NSA pokušava zaplašiti francusku političku garnituru pomoću bespilotnih letjelica koje voze iznad nuklearnih elektrana. (Pierre) Kako ne bi prešli na rusku stranu, ili… (Perceval) …će se dogoditi “nesreća”. O: Sada je vrijeme za reći laku noć i “vidimo se uskoro u psihomantijumu!” Pozdrav. (Pierre) Nisu to zaboravili, ha? [smijeh] (Perceval) Pa kad odeš do psihomantijuma, oni će već biti tamo sa satom govoreći, “Već TJEDNIMA čekamo!” [smijeh] KRAJ SESIJE Original sesije na engleskom možete naći ovdje. Related Articles: Posted in Kasiopejske sesije