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Frank, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom French, Cherie Diez, SV Q: (L) Hello. A: Hello. Q: (T) I'm running on low energy. (L) Who do we have with us this evening? A: Sorrillora. Q: (L) And where are you from? A: Cassiopaea. Q: (L) We have guests this evening; this is Tom and Cherie. A: Hello Tom and Cherie. Q: (L) Tom has a question. A: Surely. Q: (TF) What happened to my grandfather's watch? A: Which one? Q: (L) Which grandfather? (TF) Paternal. (L) Okay, what happened to Tom's paternal grandfather's gold pocket watch? A: Under water. Q: (T) Under what water? A: It is clear with some silt or sand. Q: (TF) What is that? (L) I don't think you are going to get a name because that is an artificial designation. A: Visual reference. Shines in the sunlight, slipped off when attention was distracted. Q: (TF) Did it slip off by itself or did someone take it? A: Rubbed metal surface. Q: (TF) Where was my father at the time? A: At church. Q: (L) Does that make any sense? (TF) Well, maybe. (T) Do you know where the watch is? (TF) No. (SV) Find out where he went to church and see if there is any water around there. (L) Maybe his father was nowhere near at the time. (TF) My father never went to church; he was an athiest. Did my father have anything to do with the disappearance? A: No. Q: (T) Was his father at church? You say his father was at church; Tom says his father didn't go to church. Why was his father at church? A: Not only reason one goes to a church, think! Q: (J) It might have been a meeting of some kind... (T) A wedding; a funeral... (TF) You're right. It's not that he never set foot inside a church. (F) He's not that much of an athiest! (T) Especially weddings; there's food after weddings! (TF) Okay, well, one more and then I'll be quiet! Was the watch lost or was it taken? A: Lost. Q: (L) Has this bugged you a long time? (TF) Not too long. A while. (L) I have a question to ask about Tom. Tom had a dream that he shared with me, and I think he wouldn't mind sharing it with the group. Tom? (TF) In the dream I am on an ocean liner. There are other people on board the ship, but I am not talking to them. I'm not with my friends or family. I am by myself. I among all these people, but I am not with them. It is a long journey. I walk back and forth on deck. Finally we come to a city, a major city, a seaport. I get off the ship; I walk through the city; I walk through the center of the city to the outskirts, into the countryside. The countryside is red; reddish all around. The streets are no longer paved; now they are dirt, red dirt. I come to a big house with a white picket fence under the shadow of a mountain. I know that I am supposed to be in this house. I go inside the house, there are other people there. Again, I am not talking with them when I first get there, and as the days begin to pass I do begin to talk to them and they begin to talk to me. I begin to feel better. Suddenly, in the dream, I realize that when I was first walking through the city toward the house, I was a dog; in the early days when I had first been in the house, I was being transformed into a human being, and that all the other people in the house were once animals; and that that was why we were at the house, to learn how to become a human being. It had something to do with the power of the mountain. (L) Now, the question I have is: is there some significance to this dream that you can comment on? A: Not of great significance in a psychic sense, merely a reflection of the subject's awareness of metamorphosis within his own life path. Q: (L) Well, that was Tom's interpretation and it blew my theory all to hell! (T) What was your theory? (L) Well, I was just sure he was an alien and he came to Earth on this big ship from the Dog Star, Sirius... (J) To Georgia!! [Laughter] I liked my interpretation better! (T) Make for a heck of a book! (SV) She's been watching too many of those UfO videos! A: Active imagination! Q: (L) Well, I got told! Now, our questions. Why did the Incas and other South American cultures create their cultural environment in mountainous areas where they were forced to terrace to grow food, whereas the European culture developed on level terrain, mined in the mountains... (T) And a lot of them starved because they didn't use the mountains correctly... A: Mountains were of a different nature in two cases. Q: (L) So, the mountainous terrain was more fertile in one area than the other; is that the point we are getting at here? A: Bingo! Q: (J) That was what I thought. (T) Did the Europeans try terrace farming? A: No. Q: (L) Why? (T) Yeah, they built aqueducts, why not terraces? A: Why should they try something unnecessary? Q: (T) Why was it unnecessary? (L) No, we know that. They had plenty of arable land that was flat. Why was it necessary in South America? (J) Because they didn't. They had to use what they had. A: Yes. Q: (T) Works for me! (L) It was said in a previous transmission that the area around my house was a "multiple reality station." Is this because of our activities, or is this a pre-existing condition of this house and general location? A: Two questions. Q: (L) Is this because of our activities? A: Partially. Q: (L) Is it also a pre-existing condition of this area? A: In a roundabout way. Q: (L) Does this have anything to do with the purported tunnel beneath the house? A: Ditto last response. Q: (L) Okay, you say "in a roundabout way." What is the roundabout way? What is the relationship? A: Crustal energy flow patterns. Q: (Terrry) What is crustal energy? A: Self-explanatory. Q: (T) Okay, it's the energy that is flowing through the crust we are talking about, or the energy the crust is making... we are talking plate tectonics here? (J) Yes, plate tectonics? A: Too many comments. Q: (T) Are we talking plate tectonics? A: No. Q: (L) Are we talking about electromagnetism? A: Close. Q: (T) How close to electromagnetism? (L) How close can you get? (T) Right! [Laughter] A: Related. Q: (L) Okay, is this an energy flow pattern that is significantly different at this point in space/time as opposed to, say... (J) Our house? A: Not correct concept. Q: (J) It's not related to space and time? A: You are getting "colder." Q: (L) It is not related to space/time. Is it related to a gridwork of energy? A: Not gridwork, more like "halo." Q: (T) A corona? (L) Like an aura? (J) Is it like an aura? A: Yes. Q: (T) The planet's aura? A: Variations within flow. Q: (L) Is this particular location beneficial to my residence here? A: Subjective. Q: (L) Is it particularly beneficial in terms of this kind of work? A: Can be. Q: (J) It is obviously not detrimental. (T) Can it be detrimental? A: Yes. Q: (L) In what way? (J) Yes, how is it detrimental? A: 64000 dollar question! Q: (T) Now, since we hit the 64,000 dollar question, are you going to give us the 64,000 dollar answer? (L) Why could it be detrimental? Is it because it could be detrimental if a person is following the STO pathway? A: Maybe. Q: (L) Could it be detrimental to one following the STS pathway? A: Maybe. Q: (T) Okay, the energy flow pattern can be detrimental or beneficial. It's just energy, not positive or negative. A: This is more complex than your queries allow. Q: (L) In other words, our questions are not complex enough to get the answer? A: You are "rushing it" due to company present, now please relax and just behave as always. Q: (J) She's trying to show off! (L) I am not! (SV) That's what they said! (L) That's not what they said, and I am not the only one asking questions. (T) Let's start over with something simple. We are talking about the aura or something similar. The planet's aura. A: Yes. Q: (T) Okay. We are focusing on this site here in relation to the energy of the planet. A: Okay. Q: (T) You have indicated that there is some kind of a correlation between the location and the energy in the planet. The energy in the planet is all the way around the planet and is affected by the planet and everything that goes on around the planet, in the planet, on top of the planet and all over the place. We are one location. As this energy ebbs and flows along it influences the work we are doing here. Am I on track here? A: Close. Q: (T) Okay. So, the crustal energy flow patterns, if they ebb, we lose power... we need to draw more power in order to keep the connection? Q: (T) I don't even know what I said! (L) Try it this way. We are talking about an aura. In an aura system in the physical body, it can sometimes reflect both the spiritual and physical state of the person. Is this location similar to a chakra? A: If you prefer or other. Q: (L) Similar to a chakra? A: These are all merely labels. Q: (L) Okay, so it is like an energy vortex? A: Okay... Q: (L) An energy vortex in the body, a chakra in the body, is a place where the body energy interfaces with the universe. Tell us about chakras, Susan. (SV) There are all different kinds. There are the seven major chakras, the ones in the palms, almost every joint in the body has a chakra... (T) What do they do? (L) An interface point? (SV) Yes. (L) Is this what we are talking about here? An interface between this density and other densities? A: First of all, "chakras" are a little understood and non-proven phenomenon. Now, it just so happens they do exist, but in different form than reported by many in the so called "psychic" community. So you see, you have opened yet another "can of worms." Q: (L) Well, Worms Are Us! I knew that question would last all night! Why did I ask it? (SV) Well, let's go for it! (L) Okay, first worm... (T) Worm One... (J) Worm One... (L) ...what, exactly, is a chakra? A: An energy field that merges density one, two, three or four with five. Q: (T) A focus point that merges densities to fifth density contemplation level? A: Close. Q: (T) What purpose do we merge to the contemplation level through the chakras? A: You are all connected with level five on a short wave cycle, reference text. Q: (L) Does each chakra relate to a color as we have been told? A: In a sense, but not primary issue. Q: (L) What is the primary issue? A: The connection with physical imprint locator. Q: (L) So, that has to do with this area right here? Are we back to the house? A: On a physical body, density levels one through four. Q: (L) So, we are sitting in the middle of a giant chakra, the navel of the world! (J) Better than the armpit of the world. A: What are you speaking of? Q: (T) Tallahassee, the armpit of the world! (L) I was just joking, we are not in the navel of the world. We are in a chakra... (T) In order to be at this location... (L) ...is that it? A: You are drifting an there is much too much thought fragmentation tonight. Q: (L) Okay. (J) I am wondering if it is related to the storm? (L) Let's take a break. Break Q: (L) We have a real serious dude tonight. He's not letting us play! (SV) I wonder if there are seven major chakras in the same place as described by others. (L) Okay, we're back. A: Back? Q: (L) Well, we really didn't leave, you know. (J) Yeah, we went for a walk! (L) Susan wants to know if there are seven major chakras related to the physical body as has been taught by many sources? A: It varies according to individuals. Q: (SV) You mean some people have more chakras than others? A: Name a "chakra." Q: (L) Is there a base chakra, the root chakra? A: We asked you to name one. Q: (L) Well, we named one. (SV) There's the heart chakra, the third eye, I don't know the Hindu names for them... (L) Name a person? A: No. Q: (SV) The lady who wrote "Hands of Light" said that when she does healings, spirit guides... A: What happens to those who have major body parts missing? Q: (J) Oooh! (SV) But the etheric field is still there! They have proven that with Kirlian photography... A: Is that the same thing? Q: (L) Well, is that which is photographed by Kirlian photography the same thing that makes up the chakras? (SV) Well, you would have the seven major ones... you can't live without a head and torso... (L) What happens when you have organs, the glands related to the chakras, taken out. Women have hysterectomies all the time... A: Good question! Q: (SV) But the energy's still there even though the body parts are gone! That's what I have been taught. A: Who says? Q: (SV) Do you want to know the names of my instructors? A: All we are trying to point out to you, is that you are delving into an area where purported fact is not proven, and the entire subject is only slightly understood at your level. It is better to get facts before proclaiming knowledge, lest you make serious mistakes! Q: (SV) But what about what Barbara Marciniak said about the chakras... she talked about 12 chakras, seven internal and five external? Was Barbara onto something? A: Vague. Q: (T) It was not what Barbara was onto, it was the information she was being given. (L) Was the information Barbara was given as far as the chakras, correct as far as it went? A: Close. Q: (L) Well, there's a clue. (T) It better be, we gave it to her. (J) True. (T) If they said no... (J) ...we are in a lot of trouble. We had better find something else to do on Saturday night. (L) We could bowl. Canasta, anyone? This would make a great card table. (J) Bridge? (L) I don't know how everyone else feels about it, but maybe we should just read Marciniak on this one for now and drop the subject. (T) They have been saying that the chakras as they have been taught may not be entirely accurate. The information about these energy points is that they do not exist as they have been laid out by others, but that they exist in different people in different places because of the way the energy flows in each individual. They don't always exist in the same place just as the energy vortexes on the planet fluctuate and change. So, within the person the energy changes and fluctuates... (J) Do the chakras move around? A: They may. Q: (T) Do different people have different numbers of chakras? A: Yes. Q: (T) So, the whole idea of chakra work, not to take anything away from what Susan has been doing, is very much incorrect as it is laid out? A: Maybe. Q: (SV) Okay, if you sensitize your hands, could you pick up on this energy on the body? Could you detect the chakras? A: Maybe. Q: (T) Will Reiki allow you to find the chakras as they move about? A: Maybe. Q: (SV) What about Therapeutic Touch? A: Maybe. Q: (SV) I guess maybe I had better find out. (L) How does all of this relate to this house and what we are doing here? (T) We are working on a larger scale now. (L) Does this house have something to do with connecting up chakras in our bodies? A: You are drifting again. Q: (T) Is it that this energy will move just like the energy in a body will move. We are working at this point because, at this time, this is where the localized energy is in this area, but that this is going to be moving? A: Again, you have touched upon a group of subjects that require massive study to accurately explain. Q: (J) Does this mean that we have to study and learn more before we can even discuss this with you? A: Close. Q: (SV) Would Edgar Cayce's material be a good place to start? A: This is a good place to start, but it will take much "time" and effort. Q: (L) Are you suggesting that perhaps this is a subject that we don't need to go into? A: Up to you. Q: (J) At this point, we don't have enough understanding. (T) Is it something important that we should be looking into? A: Open. Q: (L) Let's go onto something else that is more simple. The other night the children saw some lights in the sky. I went out to see what they were talking about and at that point there were no moving lights, but there was a single, pulsating, red light about ten degrees to the right of Jupiter. My initial reaction to it was that it was atmospheric twinkle of a large red star or the planet Mars. There was nothing there the following night. What was it the children saw? A: Children saw planes and a helicopter. Q: (L) Well, what was it I saw when I saw this red, pulsating light which did not move for quite some time? A: Mars. Q: (L) It was not Mars because it wasn't there the next night. A: Clouds. Q: (T) Yeah, there were clouds on Mars that night. (J) Well, lets move on. (L) Well, I thought it was Mars. (J) You were right. A: You were right. Q: (J) That's what I just said. (L) Now, we want to know if there is any correlation between movement of UFOs and weather patterns... (J) Specifically, thunderstorms. A: Correlation? Q: (L) Okay, can UFOs not fly during thunderstorms, or electrical storms? A: Incorrect. Q: (L) Okay, they can fly during thunderstorms? A: Yes. But "fly" is improper term. Q: (L) Okay, what do they do during thunderstorms if they don't fly? (J) They bob and weave! (SV) They are projections, aren't they? (J) Yeah, I don't think they are actually here, down in the atmosphere, anyway. A: Operate. Q: (T) Well, the real question is: does the thunderstorm interfere in the EM flow between densities? A: Can. Q: (L) Can thunderstorms interfere with their projection ability? A: Yes. Q: (L) Do thunderstorms or electrical activity inhibit them? A: Ionization. Q: (T) Is the fact that there are very few abduction cases, at least I read about, and I've read quite a few of them, during thunderstorms, have to do with the thunderstorm interfering with the EM, so that the abduction would be much harder to do, therefore they don't bother doing it? A: No. Q: (T) Can abductions take place during thunderstorms? A: Yes. Q: (L) Is there a possibility that thunderstorms possibly enhance this activity? A: No. Q: (T) So third density EM disturbances don't disturb fourth density? A: Can. Q: (J) Can they control it. (T) Well, I haven't read very many things about abductions during storms. (L) Well, I have read about a few, enough to break it as a rule. (T) Is there some reason that it isn't happening as often during thunderstorms? (J) They don't want to get wet. A: Can you drive a car during the rain? Q: (J) Yes, but if it is raining really hard, you avoid it. (L) Is there any particular reason why more abductions and UFO sightings occur at night? A: Not correct. Q: (L) So, you mean there is as much activity in the daytime as there is at night? A: Yes. Q: (L) Well, that blew that theory. Is it true that the vastness of space is an illusion of our units of space time? A: Too complex for simple response. Q: (L) Oh dear. (J) We're just way over our heads tonight, aren't we. (L) Well, let's try this one... A: Trying too hard to carve impression. Q: (L) Not really. We want to ask these questions... A: Yes, really! Q: (T) Do you have anything to impart to us? (L) Yes, you have the floor. (T) Or the table... (J) Or the walls, or the ceiling... A: Just ask more simple questions instead of trying to solve major riddles in one session. Q: (T) Here's an easy one: is the EM wave still circling the Earth? A: Yes. Q: (L) I don't want to ask simple questions. (J) Is this affecting the recent tropical storm? (T) Yeah, is the EM wave part of the reason for the storm out here in the Gulf? A: Close. Q: (L) I don't think I have any simple questions... (J) What are the Marfa lights? A: Window to this dimension leaves static. Q: (T) Is there a window to this dimension... (L) In Marfa? A: Many windows on Earth. Q: (J) Is there any correlation between the Marfa lights and the proximity to Carlsbad caverns? A: Try getting up close to Marfa lights! Q: (J) Yeah, I know, you can't. As soon as you walk up close, they disappear. (L) How do they know you are walking up to them? A: Not proper concept. Q: (L) What is the proper concept? (T) What happens if you get close to them? A: They appear at other location. Q: (J) Does the EM from your body repel the light? A: It is visual reality representation only. Q: (J) So, they are not really there, you just think you see them? A: Close. Q: (T) How close do you have to get to them for something to happen? A: No. Q: (T) You don't have to get close to them? Well, you don't have to get close to them, they're just a residue. (J) Are they a refraction of something that is going on someplace else? (T) How far... A: Close. Q: (T) They are a refraction of something that is going on someplace else? (L) So, when you get close, you can no longer see them because... (J) ...the angle is wrong. Where are they actually happening, if not there? A: Somewhere else from viewer. Q: (J) Thanks! We got that. (T) On the surface or underground? A: Review two answers past. Q: (J) Are you referring to the visual reality representation? A: Yes. Q: (J) So, they don't really exist in third density? A: Close. Q: (J) Are they like a bleed through? A: Yes. Q: (T) But the event is not happening where you see the lights... where the observer sees the lights? A: Terry, pay attention! Q: (J) He's tired tonight. (L) Okay. Let's ditch that one, then. Now, the general scientific opinion is that the major dying of dinosaurs occurred 65 million years ago. You have given us the figure 27 million years ago. Can you explain the discrepancy? A: Radio carbon dating is not exact science. Q: (J) They have said that before. (L) So, you are going to stick with your 27 million? A: Stick? Q: (L) We must have somebody who is really on the outer fringes here! (J) Yeah, lighten up! A: Same could be said for all present! Q: (J) Same to you, fella! (L) Let's see if I have another fairly simple question here... (J) Don't mean to be testy tonight... (SV) Blame it on the weather. (L) I want to ask my TDARM questions because poor old Roger really stirred my brain... (F) Did he give you those questions? (L) No, but my brain was stimulated and I thought of them and if we could get some answers, it might help his theory a lot. Well, we will ditch them. Maybe Tom and Cherie have another question... (C) When are we going to finish this project? A: Question should be "if," not when. Q: (TF) Oh great! Thanks, Cherie! I'm going to have this hanging over me now! A: Seems to be struggle within organization! Q: (L) Is there? Are you getting a hassle about it? (TF) Not from the people that count. But, it's a political organization like any other. [Laughter] She can do this because she doesn't have to write this thing! (L) Is there anything you can tell Tom to help make it easier? A: Tom's future lies in independent career. Q: [Laughter] (J) Just what he wanted to hear! (TF) I may be fired! (L) No, I don't think that's what it means! A: No. Q: (L) See, you're not going to be fired! A: Writing is your "calling" but as author, not journalist, your publication has so far survived being absorbed by the Consortium, but only barely, and that may not be true in the near future! Q: (L) You do know what the consortium is? (TF) Are they referring to Robert Bass? A: This is but one portal. Q: (L) I guess that means they can get in that way or another way. A: You would not appreciate the changing atmosphere that would accompany a "buy out." Q: [Laughter] (TF) That is an understatement. (J) That means that this project would be their property and you wouldn't be able to use it. A: There is much more to the puzzle than what appears on the surface!!!!! Q: (TF) See what you started with your question! (T) It's all your fault, Cherie! (C) I didn't even ask about the photos! (T) That's Pulitzer stuff, there! A: Photos can "disappear!" Q: (J) Oh great! Oh great! (T) We are moving into the warning stuff, now. A: Do you remember the curriculum at journalism school, Tom? Q: (L) I'm sure he does! What's the point? A: Question is for Tom. Q: (TF) Sure, why? A: Do you suppose there may have been any propaganda? Q: (TF) I guess that depends on whose point of view. (T) That's always true. A: Yours. Q: (J) Yeah, what was your point of view? (TF) This is not facetious, but the only propaganda I remember was IU basketball! [Laughter] A: Not being aware is a symptom of successful methodology... beware! Q: (L) I guess that not being aware that you are being propagandized is a symptom of good propaganda! (TF) Yeah, that would be great propaganda! (L) So, what's your point here? A: You will soon become disillusioned by events soon to take place. This is good, because it will represent an awakening on your part, as you are a genuine and good hearted and honest soul. Q: (J) That's nice! (TF) Whose class had propaganda? A: Not point, was not class, was general direction of program, which is symptomatic of a much bigger issue. Q: (C) What events are soon to take place? A: Take over of employer is imminent! Q: (T) Whose taking over? (L) They said the Consortium. (T) Are we talking about the overall, total media? (J) Is it just the St. Pete Times or... (T) ...that one they haven't got hold of yet... (L) Publish in a hurry... A: Yes. Q: (J) Yes, what? (T) Either publish in a hurry or go for the book and forget the series. (TF) Don't say that in front of Cherie! (T) Her pictures can go in your book. (TF) Don't say that in front of Cherie! [Laughter] You can't publish color if it's in a book. (C) If they are in a book they are bad reproductions. (T) Sorry... A: Your instincts as a reporter are to uncover hidden truths, but beware that you have been trained to uncover only some types of "truth," and not others. Q: (TF) I want to ask one more question about the watch. Which state of the Union is the body of water located where the watch is? A: Do not know, as we access visual reference only, and cannot determine artificially designated borders in this instance. If watch were lost next to road sign, for example, it might be different! Q: (TF) Is the area around the body of water flat or mountainous? A: Appears to be "broken." Q: (L) The area appears to be broken? A: Close. Q: (L) Rough terrain? (TF) Why was my father in church? A: Open. Q: (TF) Was it a ceremony involving one of his children? A: Maybe. Q: (T) Maybe is a better answer than "open." (L) Jan, tell Tom about your Margaret S___ thing. (J) God, I can't believe you remembered that name! (L) I remember everything I type after I type it! (J) That's amazing. Yeah, I had a little thing that I wanted the Cassiopaeans to answer for me, and they had a real hard time visualizing it for me... they just kind of focus in on... (L) No, they visualized it extremely well; they saw you in a basement with your friends with candles and they described it as some sort of ritual activity. Jan wanted them to tell what she was doing... (J) Actually, I wanted them to repeat a phrase... we were doing, I guess, some sort of black magic, trying to put the whammy on a biology teacher that nobody liked... [Laughter] (L) Jan has a past... (T) The thing is, with the channel, they see what we see, they know what we know... what's in your mind and subconscious... (L) ...or what you saw... (T) Anything that is not within the channel itself, they cannot pick up... (L) Oh, no! They have come through with tons of stuff that's not in this room or in anybody's mind in here! (TF) If they only know what's in ya'll's mind, how can you ask questions about Jesus... how could that be within... (L) I think what they do is focus on a point in space/time that they access like a computer, but that all of the artificial constructions that we have created to separate and define are like Greek to them. (J) Well, time is definitely something that man has created because we live on a planet that has days and nights and the passage of seasons. If we lived on a planet that did not have days and nights and passing seasons, we would not have the concept of time. (F) Or, if you were floating around in space... (J) ...then you wouldn't have up or down either... (L) The other night I was looking for a bottle of ear drops. We asked the Cassiopaeans where they were. They said: in the bedroom, drawer, white cloth and symbols. Well, I found them in a make-up bag on top of the drawer, the bag being lined with white cloth. And, what is make-up but "symbols?" (F) That's interesting because I had forgotten about that. (L) Yes, it is strange what is accessed and how it is represented. Tom, do you think there are going to be changes at the Times? (TF) No. (L) Well, you might want to consider getting this thing finished as soon as possible anyway... A: Will be a "take-over," count on it! Q: (TF) I guess there could be different kinds of take-overs. (J) Yeah. It could be just a change in management. (L) Okay, Cherie, do you have any other questions? [Laughter] (C) I'm thinking. (L) Now that you opened that can of worms... (J) Worms are Us! (TF) I didn't mean to monopolize this session... (J) You didn't. Don't worry about it! (T) Not at all! (LM) [just coming in the room] What was the question and what was the answer? (L) It was a whole series of them. Cherie asked a question that opened a whole can of worms. (TF) Bottom line is: I have to write quickly! (L) Yes, worms came squirming out all over the place. (J) Changes, take-overs... change of atmosphere... (L) What would you do if that happened? (TF) I don't know... you just have to roll with the punches. (L) Okay, they don't want me to ask any of my time travel questions... (T) I am at zero energy level tonight... (L) That must be what our problem is. Terry is over there zoning out on us. (TF) What do you mean "what your problem is?" (L) Well, when any one of us has low energy, it limits the reception. (J) Why is Terry's energy is so low tonight? A: Has virus. Q: (SV) Don't breathe this way! (T) Ebola is here! (L) I was curious about the kamikaze virus I had the other day. It made me think about virii in general. Since virii don't have DNA, is it possible that they could be used to modify DNA? A: No. Q: (J) Well, that's good. (TF) They don't have DNA? Do they have RNA? (L) Well, they are missing one or the other... (J) They are cellular parasites... (SV) Are you going to ask more about the tunnels? (L) Were there any ramifications to this virus not apparent on the surface? A: No. Q: (L) Okay. (J) When I got home from work the other day. I realized that I was hungry and suddenly I got the shakes and I was real dizzy. I rushed in and made myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and drank a glass of milk and it seemed to calm me down. Was this because I had not eaten? A: Low blood sugar. Q: (J) Is that indicative of a condition that I have now? A: Vague. Q: (L) Does that mean she has a.)hypoglycemia or b) hyperinsulinism? A: No, no. Q: (L) Neither. Was it just a momentary low blood sugar condition from working too long without eating? A: Yes. Q: (J) I physically had the shakes and I was dizzy and nauseous. (TF) What was the Mmmmmmm sound in my father's dreams? (L) You're big into dreams, huh? (TF) It's a family thing! A: Was accessing sound waves in alpha state not normally audible. Q: (TF) Why did he find the dreams so threatening? A: His interpretation. Q: (L) Maybe it was something he didn't understand and it scared him. (TF) Was it related to Germany? A: No. Q: (TF) He had a series of dreams one summer, 1943, and it was interesting because his father, the dream analyst, could help him with it. (F) Was his father a dream analyst? (TF) Right. The same one that lost the watch. (L) Was there some kind of antagonism between them? (TF) Well, he was a Freudian dream analyst, so, yes! [Laughter] Nothing more than the normal father-son stuff. (L) Is there such a thing as normal father-son stuff? (SV) I doubt it. (TF) That's true. (L) Nothing on this planet is normal, or so it would seem. Well, unless somebody has a real outstanding question they just have to ask, I think we should shut down for the night. End of Session
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Laura (L) i Andromeda za pločom Prisutni: Pierre, Perceval, PoB, Chu, Niall, Ark, Data, Scottie, Alana, Timótheos, Noko Wonderdog (pas, op. prev.) [Bilješka: razina audio snimanja bila je vrlo niska, puno niža nego inače.] Pitanje (P) : (L) Subota je, 7. veljače 2015. I kunem se, prije 30 godina, nisam ni sanjala da ću biti živa na ovaj današnji dan. (Perceval) Zašto? (L) Ne znam. Mislim, 2012. je trebala biti smak svijeta. [smijeh] Svi su govorili da će se 2012. godine sve promijeniti. (Perceval) New Age CoIntelPro! (L) Da, i onda su došli Kasiopejci i rekli: “Ne, žao nam je!! Morate još ostati tamo i uraditi neke stvari.“ I ja jednostavno… Ja nisam bila sigurna. (Pierre) Ja sam mislio da će to biti kraća agonija. Nisam mislio da će potrajati toliko puno godina da sve propadne. (L) Da, propadanje i propast svega je bilo… (Andromeda) Sporo… (L) To je jednostavno grozno. (Pierre) A ono što je najluđe je to što svaki put kad smo mislili da smo napokon stigli do samog dna, oni su uvijek pronašli načine da stvari naprave još gorima. Vražje je mučenje svjedočiti tome! (Andromeda) Hvala, Pierre! [smijeh] (L) Ovo nam je dalo tako veseo početak večeri! (Pierre) Ali pomoć stiže! (L) Da, baš. Bojim se pitati kakva pomoć stiže… (PoB) Pitaj njih. Trebamo konkretne podatke. Što oni misle pod tim? [smijeh] (Perceval) Nema kockanja. Odgovor (O): Dobro veče ljudi. Nema žurbe za tim što dolazi kako bi donijelo ravnotežu vašoj realnosti. P: (L) Drugim riječima, vi tvrdite da ne bi trebali biti nestrpljivi za tim? O: Da. P: (L) Pa, to izgleda prilično turobno sada. Ljudi ili umiru, ili se poriče da ljudi umiru; ili oni pate, ili se okreću leđa od patnje drugih ljudi. (Pierre) I još sve te laži. (L) To je… O: Prirodne podjele se formiraju kad su ljudi suočeni s metežom i neredom. P: (L) Dakle, to ispada da stvarno saznaš kakve su zaista ljudi osobe – tek kad stvari postanu tako očite da ih oni više ne mogu poricati, osim ekstremnim činom pukog pokrivanja svojih očiju i ušiju, i zatvaranja usta. O: Da. P: (L) Pa, mi smo baš žestoke face ovdje večeras! O: Hahaha! P: [kroz smijeh] (Perceval) Oni to rade da se urnebesno nasmiju. (L) Nisam pitala s kim pričamo. Imamo li ime večeras? O: Glagira od Kasiopeje. P: (L) Stvar je u tome da nisam baš sigurna da li itko ima ikakva ozbiljna pitanja za večeras… Mislim, ja imam svoja istraživačka pitanja, ali ima li itko drugi ikakva pitanja? Zaglušujuća tišina. Ok, itko? Mislim, ispada da mi sad samo sjedimo i čekamo da neko nešto kaže. (Andromeda) Ja znam. Znamo da je cijeli svijet potpuno poludio. I mi čekamo neki znak da nam kaže trebamo li nešto učiniti, kao na primjer učiniti neki potez, pomaknuti se negdje, ili nešto slično tome. Ali se ne mogu sjetiti ničega da uistinu pitam. (Perceval) Hoćemo li se morati preseliti u Rusiju? [smijeh] (PoB) Ja sam htjela pitati trebamo li se preseliti u Rusiju? O: Sačekajte pa vidite! [Svi uzvikuju slova zajedno] P: [smijeh] (Perceval) Jesu li Lavrov ili Putin pročitali Laurino pismo? O: Istrage su u tijeku. P: (Niall) Oni nas provjeravaju. (Scottie) Znači dobra je stvar što smo dodali SOTT na ruskom. (Chu) Trebamo li zatvoriti francuski SOTT? O: Ne još, ali budite oprezni. [Noko priča tijekom slušanja odgovora] P: (Perceval) Istraga je otvorena… Istraga o tebi. (L) A joj… (Andromeda) Je li Putin pročitao pismo? O: Da. P: (Pierre) Da? Wow, to je super! To je dobra vijest dana. Dakle on ga je pročitao… (Ark) Možda ga je pokazao Hollandeu tijekom njihova sastanka… [smijeh] (Chu) Zato je sastanak i trajao 5 sati. [smijeh] (L) Oni su sastančili pet sati? (Perceval) U načelu, čini se da je rezultat tog sastanka u tome da je Amerika jako ljuta zbog činjenice da Njemačka i Francuska ne podupiru naoružavanje Ukrajinaca. McCain kritizira i govori: “Njima nije stalo do ljudi koji umiru i pate u Ukrajini!” Jer u osnovi, ako Njemačka i Francuska ne pristanu na američki plan za naoružavanje Kijeva kako bi se pobilo sve u Istočnoj Ukrajini, oni ne mogu ništa učiniti, jer to mora biti pod okriljem NATO-a; NATO baze u Europi koje bi se koristile za bilo koji tip takvoga postupka su u Njemačkoj, Italiji, i sankcionirane su od strane europskih zemalja. (Niall) Oni su u osnovi pristali da se Ukrajina podijeli. (Pierre) Tražili su više autonomije za Istočnu Ukrajinu, i zonu bez oružja između dviju zona. (Perceval) Demilitarizirana zona. Europljani su u razgovoru s Putinom odlučili da treba postojati neka vrsta jake autonomne regije kako bi se okončali sukobi, dok Amerika govori: “Ne! Rat! Rat! Mi mrzimo Rusiju!” I Hollande i Merkel se sastaju s Putinom. O: Pisma koja Putin prima daju mu nadu. P: (Pierre) To je stvarno dobro. (Scottie) Pisao sam mu o Spomenu na holokaust. Bio sam vrlo ljut i zaista sam se osjećao jako loše zbog Rusije. Mislim, više je Rusa umrlo u Drugom svjetskom ratu nego ljudi iz bilo koje druge zemlje ili grupe… procjene su između 21 i 27 milijuna Rusa! Napisao sam mu pismo kada on nije bio pozvan na spomen holokausta u Poljskoj. Bilo je… osjećajno i iskreno. (Perceval) Svi bi trebali početi pisati pisma potpore. (Pierre) Da, zašto da ne! (L) Dižite njegovo raspoloženje. Da, baš kao što se mi osjećamo kad dobijemo pisma… [Pišite Putinu: http://eng.letters.kremlin.ru/] (Pierre) Pa zamislite tog čovjeka: toliko je mnogo pritisaka: političkih, ekonomskih, financijskih… A on nađe vremena da čita pisma! (L) I oklevetan je od najvećih, najglasnijih majstora propagande u cijelom svijetu. Mi smo bili klevetani dugo vremena od propagandnih majstora, ali to je bilo vrlo, vrlo malih razmjera u usporedbi s ovim što se njemu radi. Da, to nas je oštetilo, i mene osobno je povrijedilo, i sve nas je to osobno povrijedilo, ali to je još uvijek bilo tako malih razmjera, tako da sve što nama to iskustvo može dati je samo jedan mali uvid u to što Putin doživljava. On je ljudsko biće. I sada, ono što bi trebala biti “Najveća nacija na Zemlji” ga naziva svakakvim nazivima, osim inkarnacijom samog đavola – ali vjerojatno su ga čak i tako nazvali! (Perceval) Da, doslovno ga zovu Hitlerom. (L) Da, to mora da je grozan osjećaj. (Pierre) Ako nisi psihopat, ako si normalno ljudsko biće, osjetljivo, i ako si pod teretom svih ovih kritika, i ako vidiš sve laži… to može biti vrlo bolno. (Alana) Razmišljala sam o njemu prošle noći, i o položaju u kojem se nalazi, i o opasnosti u kojoj je, i on vjerojatno sebi čak ne dozvoljava da ima bliske odnose, jer će oni postati njegove slabosti. (Perceval) Da, svjestan je toga. (L) Ja mislim da je on u potpunosti svjestan toga. Putin mi daje nadu. (Perceval) To je usamljenički život. (L) Ali ja sam jako uplašena za njega. (Pierre) Ali ja sam zabrinut za njega. Ako on nestane, što će ostati? (L) To bi uništilo svaku nadu. (Alana) Ja imam pitanje o grčkoj vladi i o novoizabranom vodstvu. Čini se da ono što oni rade i ono za što se zalažu – ljudima u Grčkoj daje nadu. I ja bih zaista željela u potpunosti se isto tako ponadati, ali kao da samu sebe nekako zadržavam, jer nisam baš sigurna je li to… Čak ne znam ni kako bih ovo izrazila… (Pierre) Želiš znati jesu li oni dobri dečki, ili, hoće li uspjeti? (Alana) Da, ali čak i ako oni jesu dobri dečki, još je uvijek velika vjerojatnost da neće uspjeti u ovom svijetu. To je prva ljevičarska vlada ikad na vlasti u Grčkoj, i najmlađa ikad. To je prvi put u grčkoj povijesti, da stare obitelji koje su uvijek bile na vlasti više nisu tamo kao predstavnici grčke elite. Nova vlada ima planove. Oni žele da… O: Njima će trebati pomoć i oni to znaju. Ostaje da se nadamo da mladenački entuzijazam može biti upregnut strpljenjem i mudrošću. P: (Niall) U načelu, oni su postavili izazov cijeloj Europi. Što se događa tamo ovisi o tome što se događa u drugim europskim zemljama. Oni trebaju sličnu rekaciju po cijeloj Europi. (Pierre) Ili rusku pomoć. (Alana) I Rusija im je već ponudila pomoć. O: Ruska će pomoć napraviti razliku. P: (Alana) To i ja mislim. (L) Dakle, čini se da se Grčka raspada. Island se već raspao. A sada se čini da Njemačka i Francuska klize… (Niall) Ono što se dogodilo na Islandu – je to da se on zapravo oporavio. (L) Ne, mislila sam na to da oni nisu zapravo išli usporedo s planom EU-a. To govorim. Kad kažem: ”Raspali su se” to znači da nisu išli usporedo sa službenim programom. (Perceval) To je tehnički izraz: raspad. Dakle, postoji očito još uvijek nekoliko pravih glupana. (Chu) I Španjolska može, ako ova stranka Podemos pobijedi… (Pierre) Italija je na rubu. (L) Izgleda da Američka koalicija glupana… (Perceval) Postaje svjesna! (L) I raspada se. O: Ne spremajte ražanj… P: (Perceval) Ne spremajte ražanj dok je zec još u šumi… (L) I mislim da to vrijedi za obje strane. O: Da. P: (L) Dakle, postoji mnoštvo raznih zanimljivih stvari koje bi se mogle dogoditi. O: Ipak, ništa neće zaustaviti uravnoteženje. Jedino je pitanje gdje će doći do katastrofe, a to je djelomično uvjetovano promatračima. P: (Perceval) Dakle, objektivno promatranje stvarnosti imat će veću vjerojatnost da donese katastrofe onim populacijama koje su najmanje pronicljive ili najmanje točne? O: Ortogonalni ili usklađeni? P: (L) Dakle ovisi jesu li njihova promatranja ortogonalana ili usklađena s objektivnom stvarnošću. Mogu li promijeniti temu? (Pierre) Da. (L) Dobro, moj, uh …… O: 4 mjeseca će otkriti dramatične promjene. P: (Pierre) Lipanj. Dramatične promjene u kom polju? (Perceval) Bez kockanja. (Pierre) Aww… Oni stavljaju mamac pred nas! O: To je sve što ćete dobiti! P: (Perceval) Vidiš? [smijeh] Znači li to tijekom sljedeća 4 mjeseca ili tijekom 4 mjeseca? (Chu) Ili nakon sljedeća 4 mjeseca… O: Bez kockanja. P: (L) Neće vam reći ništa više. (Perceval) Niti mi ne treba. Shvatit ćemo mi to. (Scottie) Da, mogao sam vam ja reći da neke dramatične promjene dolaze u naredna 4 mjeseca. Mislim, samo pogledajte svijet … (Perceval) Da, ali nisi! [smijeh] Nisi mi rekao! (Chu) Ali 4 mjeseca, ne 3! (Scottie) Vrijeme je varijabilno! O: Mi uživamo kad vi učite i ostajete pozorni. P: (L) Dobro, kad smo već kod učenja, zaista sam, ali zaista sam zatrpana ovim knjigama. Ark me u ovom može podržati. Količina stvari koju čitam je vrlo intenzivna. Ja doslovno spavam dok čitam, ili čitam dok spavam. Nije šala. Ustanem se i počnem čitati sat ili dva prije nego se uopće pojavim na doručku. Onda doručkujem, i vratim se i opet čitam, i čitam, i čitam… I čitam dok ne odem u krevet. I onda uzmem knjigu sa sobom u krevet, i čitam u krevetu. (Perceval) Dakle, pokušavaš reći da si jako puno čitala. (L) Aha. (PoB) To je nešto novo! (Pierre) Dakle, puno si učila i zaslužuješ nekoliko odgovora. (L) Da, upravo na to ciljam. [smijeh] Radila sam zaista, ali zaista jako puno i zaista bih voljela dobiti nekoliko malih odgovora. Dakle, prva stvar koju sam otkrila je ta da mi se čini da je židovski Isus bio sastavljen od književnih elemenata nekoliko različitih karaktera o kojima je pisao Josip. To su bili Simon iz Pereje, bio je Juda Galilejac, a bilo je i nekoliko drugih iako se ne mogu sjetiti njihovih imena. Svi ti momci bili su više revolucionari nego bilo što drugo. Ali, naravno, kao što znamo, ono što je jednom čovjeku revolucionar ili terorist, drugom je čovjeku to borac za slobodu. Oni su u osnovi bili posvećeni svojoj religiji, židovskoj vjeri, i nisu mogli podnijeti pomisao da Rimljani žive u njihovom Svetom gradu i da vladaju njihovim Svetim gradom, imenuju njihove svećenike, i u osnovi im govore što trebaju raditi. Prema njihovoj religiji i njihovim jakim religijskim uvjerenjima, jedini vladar kojeg su trebali imati je Bog, a Božju volju posredovali su svećenici. Svećenike su birali ljudi, a ne rimski prokurator. Dakle, oni su bili zaista vrlo nesretni, i možete shvatiti da su imali ozbiljan problem. Dakle, oni su gurali i proklamirali puno stroži oblik svoje religije nekim od ovih skupina, a Josip to opisuje kao Četvrtu filozofiju. Oni su prikupili potporu među svim ljudima Judeje / Izraela / Palestine, kako god ju nazivali, za veliki revolucionarni pritisak protiv Rimljana. To je ono što ja vidim kao izvornu skupinu koju su ljudi kasnije nazvali Jeruzalemskom crkvom. To zapravo i nije bila kršćanska crkva u nijednom smislu te riječi. To je bila skupina koja je prije svega bila vjerska, ali ispod i iza kulisa, oni su doslovno poticali pobunu i koordinirali nadolazeću revoluciju i naoružavali ljude, i pripremali se na vjersku i materijalnu pobunu protiv Rima. Ok, je li to točno što sam dosad opisala? O: Da. P: (L) U redu. Dakle, sljedeća stvar, čini mi se da je Pavao… Prije svega, on možda jest, a možda i nije bio iz Tarza, ali on vjerojatno nije bio rimski građanin, kako ga prikazuju Djela apostolska. To je samo bilo književno sredstvo da ga se uvede u Rim na određeni način. On je bio helenistički židov koji je živio ili u Damasku ili Antiohiji ili u tim područjima. Čini mi se da su židovi iz Jeruzalema koji su bili pripadnici te revolucionarne skupine došli na njegovo područje, i da su tamo vrbovali ljude, koristeći svoje religijske udice. Tada je on počeo da ih progoni. On kaže da je bio farizej, a oni su bili vrlo, vrlo strogi oblik judaizma, tako da je bilo prirodno da se stvori sukob između njih. Jesam li u pravu dosad o tome? O: Da. P: (L) U redu, dakle, to je zapravo bio opseg progona, to da je on bio farizej, i da je potaknuo i druge farizeje protiv njih. Mislim da je vrlo vjerojatno da se kamenovanje Stjepana nikada nije dogodio. Jesam li u pravu? O: Da. P: (L) Dakle, čini se da su neki od revolucionarnih vođa, počevši od Simona iz Pereje i Jude, i Mateja, koji možda jesu, a možda nisu bili ubijeni za vrijeme Heroda Velikog, čini se da je postojalo uvjerenje da su oni bili “uskrsnuli” u određenom apokaliptičnom smislu. Bio je pronađen kamen, s natpisom, nazvan Gabrijelov kamen otkrivenja, pri čemu Israel Knohl, koji je napisao knjigu o tome i koji to sve tumači, vjeruje da se kamen odnosi na smrt Šimuna iz Pereje. Je li to tako? O: Da. P: (L) A Šimunu iz Perea je rečeno, u tom natpisu, da će tri dana nakon svoje smrti uskrsnuti. Njemu je rečeno da uskrsne. Također je u tom natpisu implicirano da je krv mučenika, kao što su Šimun i drugi, a koje je Josip možda pogrešno prikazao, bila poput neke vrste magnetske tvari koja je dosegla do neba, i koja može privući božju osvetu. Mislim da je to vrlo fascinantno. Te ideje su se vrtile po Izraelu u to vrijeme, barem među nekim skupinama, uključujući i one koji su proizveli Svitke s Mrtvog mora. Knjige Enoha, sačuvane na etiopijskom, vjerujem, ali fragmenti su pronađeni u Svitcima s Mrtvog mora, su pravi primjer i dokaz toga. To možda nije bilo uobičajeno znanje. No, čini mi se da je se nekako sve to pomiješalo s grčko-rimskim idejama uskrsnuća/apoteoze heroja kao bogova, te da je ovo bilo nešto slično tome. Izgleda da su te ideje o krvi njihovih mučenika kao faktoru privlačenja nadolazeće osvete njihova boga – bile ono što je ova skupina revolucionara propovijedala. I svi su oni tvrdili da su vidjeli svog mrtvog vođu, koji je da tako kažemo, uskrsnuo od mrtvih, primjerice Šimun iz Pereje ili Juda Galilejac ili bilo tko drugi tko je možda bio uključen u to. To nisu bila fizička uskrsnuća, već su oni jednostavno bili vizionari. Pitanje koje imam je: jesu li oni stvarno vjerovali u to, ili su oni samo to koristili kao propagandu da bi pridobili podršku ljudi za njihov revolucionarni cilj? O: Neki su vidjeli, a onda su ostali tvrdili da su i oni također vidjeli. P: (L) U redu. Dakle, je li ovaj trenutak taj u kojem se pojavljuje ime “Isus”? Je li on bio židovski revolucionarni vođa, ili više njih koji su umrli, i jesu li ih onda nazvali Jošua – jer je Jošua bio desna ruka Mojsijeva? Je li to ideja? I tako su ga prozvali Jošua u njegovom uskrslom stanju, dok je on, dok je bio živ, možda mogao imati bilo koje ime? Simon iz Pereje, ili Juda Galilejac? O: Da. P: (L) Ok, napredujem prema nečemu. Samo morate biti strpljivi ovdje. Dakle, Pavao je imao viziju, nakon što je progonio te ljude. Je li mislio da je vidio tog židovskog tipa kojeg su ubili Rimljani? O: Ne baš. P: (L) Pa, čini se da je imao posla s njima… O: On je pogrešno protumačio, iako je to bilo samo zbog svoje okoline. Kako je Simon umro? P: (L) Vojnici su ga jurili kroz pustinju, i jedan od njih ga je udario svojim mačem i ubio ga. Mislim da su mu odrubili glavu. O: Nisu ga razapeli? P: (L) Ne, nisu ga razapeli. U redu… O: Pavao je vidio križ. P: (L) Dakle Pavao je vidio križ. O: Prikaz Cezara na spomeniku (tropheum, op. prev.). P: (L) Dakle, ono što govorite je to da je, uzbuđen od svih razgovora i stvari koje su se događale okolo i oko spasitelja i tako dalje, ne znam… ja ne mogu ni to shvatiti. Ono što sugerirate je da je Pavao imao stvarnu viziju, koju je prvi put pogrešno protumačio, ali onda je shvatio? O: Da. P: (L) I čini se da je Pavlova teologija vrlo slična stvarnostima koje ste nam vi opisali kao postojanje u 4. denzitetu, i koje je naseljeno stanovnicima 4. denziteta, i kao mjesto na koje se preselite ili na koje napredujete nakon što živite život u ovoj stvarnosti. O: Da P: (L) Čak i njegova ideja o duhovnom tijelu je slična, jer on kaže da se tijelo i krv ne mogu naslijediti u ovom kraljevstvu. I onda on kaže nešto o tijelu – da se tijelo sije kao sjeme, a zatim da raste kao duhovno tijelo. Dakle, to je gotovo kao da govori o drugoj stvarnosti u kojoj postoji varijabilnost fizikalnosti ili tako nešto. On čak tvrdi da će se oni koji su još uvijek ovdje u vrijeme promjena koje je on očekivao, promijeniti u tren oka. O: Da. P: (Perceval) Kakva je bila priroda Pavlove vizije? O: Vidio je Cezara i mislio je da je to židovski pojedinac. Međutim, on je ubrzo razvrstao stvari. Paul je očajnički pokušavao spasiti ljude i preobraziti svijet, i tako je on “postao sve – svim ljudima”, kada je to služilo cilju. Grupe u Jeruzalemu bile su toliko u njegovom vidokrugu za spasenje kao i bilo koje druge. P: (L) Dakle, ako sam dobro shvatila, vi govorite da je on možda u početku mislio da je vidio židovskog pojedinca, ali je ubrzo shvatio da to nije bio židovski pojedinac, jer on nije bio blesav. A on je znao da Šimun iz Pereje nije umro na križu, i da je to Cezar bio na spomeniku? O: Da. P: (L) Pa ipak, on je uklopio svog Cezara sa židovskim momkom za dobrobit … (Perceval) Grupe u Jerusalemu? (L) Dakle, drugim riječima, on je to napravio svjesno? O: Da. P: (Perceval) Morao je smisliti poruku za mase. (L) Dakle, kad je on to učinio, što se tiče židova, je li on dao istu poruku svima? O: Ne. P: (L) Pa, on je jasno rekao da on postaje sve svim ljudima. Kad je sa židovima, on je židov. Kad je s poganima, on je poganin. No, njegova glavna stvar, i on je to rekao: Sve što on zna je da je Krist bio razapet. I on razvija svoju teologiju, što je bila vizija svijeta 4. denziteta, i on troši gotovo NULA vremena govoreći o bilo kojem ljudskom biću ili o bilo kojoj povijesnoj osobi. Mislim da je to bilo namjerno – to da mu je fokus bio na manifestaciji 4. denziteta, i on je u potpunosti ignorirao ili namjerno nenaglašavao bilo kojeg čovjeka pojedinca? Je li to ono što je radio? O: Da. P: (L) To dovodi do velikog problema ovdje. Postojala je crkva u Rimu. To je trebala biti kršćanska crkva u Rimu prije nego što je Pavao ikad otišao u Rim. On je napisao „Poslanicu Rimljanima“ za tu crkvu. Je li to bila židovska crkva? O: Ne. P: (L) Dakle, to nije bila kršćanska crkva u smislu židovskog naroda, židovska sinagoga, koji su bili svjesni svog židovskog Mesije i obožavali svog židovskog Mesiju? O: Ne. P: (L) Je li to, u stvari bila poganska crkva koja je štovala bar nešto vezano za Cezara? O: Da. P: (L) To bi bilo biti barem dvije generacije nakon ubojstva Cezara, tako da se puno stvari moglo dogoditi u dvije generacije. O: Da. P: (L) Kad je Pavao krenuo u Rim, jer ovo je smiješna stvar… Sve izgleda kao da proizlazi iz Rima, iako Djela apostolska tvrde da je sve proizlazilo iz Jeruzalema. To je kao da… O: Kad Djela apostolska tvrde, pretpostavi da je suprotno tome. P: (L) U redu. Postoji neka vrsta kontrolirajuće stvari koja potječe iz Rima. Što se dogodilo kad je Pavao stigao u Rim? Je li on odveden u Rim kao zatvorenik iz Jeruzalema? O: On nikada treći put nije otišao u Jeruzalem. P: (L) On nikada treći put nije otišao u Jeruzalem, ali je otišao u Rim. A kad je otišao u Rim, kako je on primljen od crkve tamo? O: Srdačno. P: (L) Pa, to nema puno smisla. Čini se da je to mjesto otkuda su sva pogrešna tumačenja o obožavanju Cezara i sva pogrešna tumačenja oko židovskog Isusa potekla. O: Ne zaboravi da se sve to dogodilo nakon uništenja Jeruzalema. P: (L) Znači, mi zapravo ne znamo što se događalo. Oh, u redu. Imam teoriju da je Pavao otišao u Rim mnogo ranije nego što drugi misle. To bi imalo smisla, jer ako pravi Isus nije bio netko tko je umro u 29. ili 30., već je umjesto toga bio netko tko je umro u 4. godini pr. Kr. ili što god, onda se sve to mora vratiti. Dakle, je li Pavao otišao u Rim 48. ili 49.? O: Da. P: (L) Je li Pavao onda otišao u Španjolsku? O: Da. P: (L) Gdje je Pavao umro, u Rimu ili u Španjoklskoj? O: Španjolskoj. P: (Chu) Je li on sveti Jakov iz Compostele? O: Blizu! P: (L) Dakle, možda je Pavao pokopan u grobu svetog Jakova? O: Da. P: (Perceval) Dakle, moraš ići na hodočašće, Laura! (L) Moram ići na hodočašće! (Pierre) Hodanjem! (Perceval) Možeš to obaviti i biciklom. (L) Mogu li jahati konja? (Perceval) Možeš voziti dok god držiš svoju glavu kroz prozor. Radi se o udisanju zraka. (Chu) Tu je slaba karika, ali postoji školjka u oba slučaja. Školjka je simbol Svetog Jakova, a tu je također i školjka u slučaju Venere / Cezara. P: (L) Venera je predak julijevaca. Dakle, sve se počinje razbistravati. To je sada jako mutno. O: Imaš dovoljno na svom tanjuru! Izvrsno napreduješ! P: (L) Ali želim postaviti još jedno pitanje. [smijeh] Dopustite mi da postavim još samo jedno pitanje. (Perceval) Ako Laura ode na grob svetog Jakova znajući da je Pavao tamo pokopan, hoće li ona imati božansko otkrivenje koje će odgovoriti na sve? (PoB) Hoće li se ona tamo susresti s Putinom? O: Ne. P: (L) Jesu li Pavao i ljudi iz te crkve u Jeruzalemu zajedno došli na ideju o zamjeni obožavanja Julija Cezara figurom i likom Krista, koji je bio više ili manje univerzalan? O: Da. P: (L) Jesu li planirali da to bude židovski Isus? O: Ne, to je došlo kasnije. P: (L) Ali on ih je, u stvari, uvjerio da se trebaju preusmjeriti s Cezara na univerzalnog boga stvoritelja. Je li to to? O: Da. P: (L) Jer je to vrlo jak koncept među židovima. O: Da. P: (L) Dakle, bilo je nekih uvjeravanja koje je učinio Pavao s tom crkvom u Jeruzalemu, i oni su počeli mijenjati i izmjenjivati stvari u nekom periodu vremena. Zatim, zajedno s tim, došlo je do uništenja Jeruzalema. Nakon toga, sve je se promjenilo i preradilo iz nekog razloga. O: Politika. P: (L) Dakle, Rimska crkva je mislila da će to biti… Ne mogu to shvatiti. Previše sam umorna. O: Da. Doviđenja. KRAJ SESIJE Original sesije na engleskom možete naći ovdje. Related Articles: Posted in Kasiopejske sesije