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Laura, Ark, BT, Montalk, Carissa, Andromeda, Atriedes, V Q: (L) Hello A: Hello! Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening? A: Ohellieae Q: (L) And where do you transmit through? A: Cassiopaea Q: (L) Alright, we have our first question that I want to get out of the way before we go into any other things and it's a question for a member of our group DD whose son committed suicide on Aug. 22 last year (2001)... A: He was subjected to mind programming due to his fathers work in military. Q: (L) Was his father aware of this? A: He was also subject. Q: (L) In what way was he a subject? A: He was utilized mainly to deal with the son so as to make him available. Q: (L) Anything else to say to D about this? A: He must not feel responsible. Many such cases exist outside of the military. His son was selected due to bloodline. The reason for failure was due to strength of resistance. Q: (L) So, in other words, they couldn't control the son, is that what you're saying? A: More or less. Q: (L) So he wasn't stimulated to commit suicide to hurt D? A: No. Q: (L) Was he programmed to do something that was in conflict with something inside him? A: Mainly. His FRV was not conducive to such controls. Q: (L) Was the son at all aware of any of this sort of thing? Was he aware that he was, that there was something...(V) Was he aware that he was controlled? (Atriedes) Was his act of suicide kind of like a final form of defense against the mind control like he knew it on a subconscious level or was that they had him commit suicide because they realized they had failed and they just said kill yourself or did he do it as a way of resistance? A: It was more resistance. Q: (L) I want to ask about this crop circle supposedly that was created here on or around Aug. 15, 2002 and I guess the first thing I'd like to ask is “who done it?” A: It was produced via 4th density technology. Q: (V) STS or STO 4th density technology? A: STS. Q: (L) Okay. You said via 4th density technology. However you did not say via 4th density beings... A: Correct. There has been much advancement in 3D realm tech due to 4D interaction. Q: (V) Between whom and 3rd density? A: Consortium. Q: (L) Well, I noticed that last year, on or about the same date, the crop circle appeared with the woman's face and the so called signal thing. Was that also the production of 4th density? A: No. Q: (L) I noticed also that Aug. 15 is, in fact, an ancient feast day of the Mother Goddess and therefore the appearance of the face last year was somewhat appropriate. This one, produced on almost - if not exactly - the same date, seems almost like it is a response to the face image last year. The message deciphered from this new crop circle is - and Ark has checked it and confirmed the deciphering - "Beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises. Much pain but still time - and then an unknown word - there is good out there. We oppose deception. Conduit closing. (bell sound)." What is the meaning of this message? A: The first thing that was intended was to demonize the crop circle phenomenon. The second thing was to give those who are susceptible the impression that their favorite gray aliens might be "good guys." The third thing intended was to send a message of doubt directly to this room. Q: (Atriedes) 'The conduit is closing.' Since the C's have talked about creating a conduit since the beginning, they are trying to convince us that the conduit is closing. What was the garbled word, was it believe, or is it believe? A: It was believe. However the glitch was due to the application of the technology. This provides the clue to the STS source. Q: (Atriedes) Okay so their amateur fumbling caused the glitch. (Ark) The guy is probably the glitch in the software. There was a noise... A: Wishful thinking will get ya every time. Q: (L) So they were wishfully thinking that they had everything perfect and they didn't. (Ark) Still I want to know if physical characteristics of this circle were matched with the physical characteristics of what would be considered authentic crop circle? A: They can get close. But again, there are differences. These can be detected if one is aware and looking. Q: (Atriedes) Is there any criteria you can give us to measure against, is there anything in particular to look for? Or would it pop out as something strange that doesn't make sense in a crop circle if you examine it? Or is there actual... A: One thing to look for would be growth disruptions to the area. Real circles do not disrupt the creative principle. Q: (Atriedes) Now would this be crop circles created by STS, STO, or both? A: STO. Q: (Atriedes) So STO doesn't disrupt the life cycle but, if it were STS then it would change it. That would make sense. Well, there again their effect: the coldness, the burning, the whole negativity of it, would logically disrupt the life cycle. As for the way that they do this: you say that it was directed from 4th density. Do they actually come in and have any kind of physical apparatus in the vicinity? A: It was not done from 4D. Q: (Atriedes) I'm not talking about the one that we're talking about this time, I'm talking about when STO creates a crop circle do they have a physical... A: Real crop circles represent thoughts from 6th density unified thought realm. Q: (Atriedes) Okay, and so that's why they don't disrupt the growth; because they're using thought forms as opposed to STS technology, either the 3D or 4D or what not. Have any crop circles been made by 4th density STS directly? A: Very few and quite ineptly up to this point. Q: (V) Can you tell us an example of another one, if there is only a few? A: One comes up as a series of "symbols" similar to occult cipher. Check the data. Q: (L) I think I've seen one like that. I noticed it because it was so different from all the purported authentic ones. This suggests, of course, that Rosemary Ellen Guiley, the woman who writes for Fate Magazine, and who claims that crop circles are produced by secret government technology, may have an 'inside line' to the Consortium. I thought so. So start looking at crop circles. (Ark) Well you remember there was a crop circle that they said it was Greek or something...(L) Anything else on this crop circle? Alright we're done with the crop circle. Ask your question so we can get it out of the way before we start on portals. (C) I just wanted to know has my brother J** ever been abducted by... A: He is not here. But you are. Does that strike you as interesting? Q: (C) Can they clarify what they mean by here? A: In this room. Q: (V) Did you ask him to come here with you? (C) No I was wondering has he ever been abducted by something...(V) I think what there saying is he needs to ask that question, maybe, because we've heard that before. (L) They're funny about that kind of thing. (V) Violation of free will. Maybe it's for him to seek and find on his own. (Atriedes) If he chooses. (C) If they don't want to answer that, I can't ask anything else about it, right? Q: Did you get our question? A: (Andromeda) In other words, how come that there is such a difference between you and your brother and how come you are here in this room and he's not, how do you interpret that? (L) I think that they're suggesting that he's not here therefore he can't ask that question for himself, but you are here and you can ask it for yourself. (C) You mean about me being abducted? (L) That's the question. (Atriedes) Is it something you want verified? (C) Okay, I guess my next question is have I ever been abducted? A: Well, now that you asked... You may find great benefit in contemplation of this issue while in a relaxed state. Perhaps some consideration of the possibilities inherent in the possibilities of the events of your brother's life in relation to your own might be fruitful. Q: (V) So it's almost like they're saying there's levels of possibilities within a level a possibilities. (L) Or the possibilities relating to her life can be understood in considering the possibilities of his life. (Atriedes) So maybe you try should compare some notes on what's going on there and what's up with him, might also be up with you. This way, you might be able to deduce the answer to the question. Or, maybe the answer to the question about his life is the same as the answer to the question about your own life, maybe? (Ark) So they avoid answering the question directly, right? (Atriedes) Maybe they want you to think on it. (C) Yeah that's why I don't know what to say because it seems like they don't really seem to want to answer the question so... (Atriedes) Maybe you're not ready for the answer. (V) Well, let's ask you this question, if you were to ask another question, if you were to let go of that, if you were to ask another question, what would the question be? (C) Well mostly my question is more concern about my brother than about my own self. Enough so that I want to know if he's being abducted, and if so by who? A: Perhaps you might consider this "concern" in terms of "projection?" Q: (Montalk) Why is projection in quotation marks? (Atriedes) Do they mean more of a psychological projection? Are they talking about desire, want, or something that you are projecting onto you brother's circumstances? In other words, in sort of asking about him, you subconsciously want to gather answers for yourself. (C) Well I'm not denying I'm curious about myself, but I really am sincerely wanting to know about him and his situation because I've heard so many stories from him that I guess I just wanted confirmation about all the things he's been saying to me for my own peace of mind so I can stop wondering all the time. (V) And maybe that goes back to this 'possibilities within possibilities.' A: Consider the terms: Projection and reflection? Q: (Atriedes) Projection meaning to like take the image of something and projecting it onto something else, a reflection of something that mirrors; comparing how the events of his life correspond to yours. A: Are his experiences his alone? Q: (Atriedes) Maybe they're talking about you sharing experiences that are similar. I mean if he's being abducted and you're being abducted at the same time, are the events of his life corresponding to events of your life? Is what's happening to him or his scenario exactly the same as your own? (V) Well, they're hammering on the projection and the reflection. (V) Is there any more that... A: She needs to "probe." Q: (V) Get to the root of the issue...might hypnotism be a good avenue for her to probe? A: Good idea. Q: (V) About a year and half ago, I noticed a couple of times a very small point on my underarm that was like cornflower blue. I mentioned it to a few people, and two other people in particular said they had similar marks themselves. I've been curious ever since as to how they got there why they got there. Because when it happened I felt like I had been abducted. Of course, knowing how I feel about abduction, I was basically ashamed that if it was abduction that I was still open, that I was still allowing myself to be abducted and messed with. A: More projecting? Q: (C) What do they mean by projecting? A: Some project...some reflect... Q: (V) Okay, what was the cornflower blue dot on my arm? A: It was an energy surge "burn." EM in nature. Q: (V) Did this emanate from a source within me or from without me? A: Both. Q: (V) Dare I ask, STS, STO? A: Realm curtain EM burst. Q: (V) It's like 4th density bleed through? A: You got it. Q: (V) You used the word 'burn.' It looked like where a shot had been given, comment please? A: Ask Laura about that. She had one. Q: (V) You had a cornflower blue spot on your arm? (L) No, it was on my belly, but...(V) What did you think about it when you saw it? (L) Well, it freaked me out because it had tiny hole in the middle of it. (V) Mine started out real pretty cornflower blue and then developed into bruise colors. (L) Well, mine came with a dream. I dreamed that something shot up out of me into the atmosphere one night. The next day, in the bath, I noticed that I had this spot and this hole in it right where this thing had shot up out of me in the dream. Well, in the dream, it was almost like a little rocket that shot up out of me and when it shot up to the roof of the house it opened like an umbrella and floated down. (V to Montalk) Now I remember you talking about orgone being a blue color, did you not? (Montalk) Yes. (V) Is there any relationship to orgone? A: No. Blue color is physiological response the same way a blister is physical response to heat. Q: (V) Okay, if that is the physical aspect of it, what is the say metaphysical aspect of it? A: EM energy surge. Q: (V) When this happened to you did you ask them about it? (L) Yeah, but I don't remember what they said, I'll have to look it up. I think it was something like an energy surge; something like a defensive gesture. (V) Is what Laura is saying is true, is this EM energy surge a defense mechanism? A: Most often. Q: (V) Defense mechanism against what? A: Intrusion. Q: (V) Well it's cool we got that going on. Did it work? A: Did it? Q: (V) That's what I'm asking you guys...oh well, I'm still here. A: Okay, it worked. Q: (C) So every time one of those spots appears it's a sign that intrusion had been trying to happen and it was successfully warded off? A: Depends on the "spot" and the individual. But, generally, yes if the same coloration. Q: (V) I was curious if the same type of thing happens with different colors. (L) Well they said the blue coloration was a physiological response to the EM thing the way the blister would be to heat. I would imagine that there might be physiological responses to other kinds of things, just like burns can be different from scrapes, from cuts, from scratches. (V) Okay, well, since we have spot in quotation marks what is the difference between a spot being on the belly and a spot being on the underarm? A: It simply denotes the nature of the defense in symbolic terms. Yours was personal, thus the arm. Laura's was for the children, thus the ovary. Q: (L) Yeah. I was aware that my children were being threatened and this thing shot up out of me, up through the roof, and it opened up into an umbrella and floated down on the house like a symbolic protection - like a gigantic bell jar shield - for the kids. I thought it was so cool because, gee, that's pretty handy thing to have, you know; you've got these rocket launchers in your body (laughter)! Q: (L) I have a question. I had a thought the other night after I read Dolan's book. He was talking about this government technology for mind control and so forth, and how the government or the military was trying to cover up the alien presence and interactions, what they were really up to and what they were really doing, and I came to this idea after reading all of these cases. What is evident is that there were apparently abductions and landings and contact stories from very early on in the so-called UFO phenomenon. What I thought about was the fact that Bud Hopkins and Whitley Strieber promoted in their books, mostly Whitley, the image of the gray alien as the standard American abductor. After the publication of these books all American abductions seemed to follow the pattern of the gray alien abduction. However, it is primarily an American phenomenon. Most other places in the world don't have little gray aliens with bug eyes. So, what I want to know is this: is the gray alien abduction scenario: a.) A screen memory b.) a creation of the American military mass mind programming project in order to acclimate people to certain conditions, circumstances and interactions, or c.) something else or d) are they really just gray aliens abducting everybody? A: You have stumbled upon an interesting question indeed. As we have noted previously, physical abductions are rare. Not only that, some abductions do not end with return of the victim. Now, what do you suppose you would do to cover up this fact? You might "create" a lot of abductions that end with return and "no harm done." Q: (L) That wasn't one of my answer selections! Does this mean that the abductions reported by the people that Bud Hopkins worked with followed by Whitley Strieber were staged? A: Close enough for horseshoes. Q: (L) Okay, what would get us closer. A: How about several varieties of experiences including government experiments. Did you ever notice how some cases exhibit extreme trauma and some do not? Same general story, but one is related with deeper sensation of reality, and another is not. Why do you think so many "abductees" are able to accommodate the experience, while some result in ruined lives? Q: (L) So you are saying that some of them are not really being abducted. They're just having something projected into their mind. So how long has this been going on? A: Over 30 years. Q: (L) That would be back to the 70's. And so where did Whitley come up with his gray aliens...and how does this relate to grays as cyber-genetic probes? A: There really are "grays." But not nearly as ubiquitous the gov would like you to think. Q: (L) So with Whitley telling everybody how it happens and what they look like along with contouring of the blanket EM mind control field or whatever, with the beaming out of a mind-programming wave - whatever it is - they're able to make a whole hell of a lot of people - everybody who is susceptible - think they are in contact with gray aliens. What is it that makes some people susceptible and not others? A: Most generally that they are not organic portals. Q: (L) So that leads to our other question, do organic portals ever get abducted? A: No need. Q: (L) So they're using this, in a sense, as a weeding mechanism? A: More or less. Q: (L) So those people who declare firmly, that there is absolutely, never have, never could be, any evidence of abduction, could be OP's? A: Generally speaking, yes. Q: (V) Well, a souled person who has their faculties about them with knowledge is not going to get abducted either? (L) I don't think that's necessarily a logical conclusion. (V) Not necessarily? Well, I thought they told us that once your knowledge level increases you will no longer be abducted. (L) I don't think that this was the actual conclusion. Yes, it is true that if your knowledge increases then you have an idea what's going on. And most especially, if your mind is strong enough not to be susceptible to these mind control waves, you can certainly put an end to that nonsense. But, that doesn't mean that you would not be physically abducted if those 4th density dudes or the government decided to do it because that has nothing to do with battling mind control waves. I mean if they really want to get to you they'll send somebody into you life who is an OP and they'll come to you thorough that person. [Note while transcribing: projection/reflection?] (Atriedes) But, they say generally they don't say all the time. So an OP programmed to exist as a an abductor [Note: projector?] (C) Could I just ask one question? Last fall I believed I was abducted, and I actually have one memory of it, of a gray, you know, while I was laying on a table. I also had physical signs on my body of an abduction. I'm curious as I'm hearing this: was I being abducted by grays that really exist or was that like the government mind control making me think that I was? (Andromeda) What kind of physical... (C) I had pain in my uterus area, I had pink eye, missing time, I felt like I got run over by a train. I had all these physical symptoms of something really bad happening and then one memory of being on a table with this gray standing in front of me. (L) Do you suffer from Post Traumatic Stress? (C) Not that I know of. (V) No panic attacks? (C) No anxiety or panic attacks. (V) I think if somebody is getting hauled out consistently for most of their life they're going to be pretty jumpy about everything. (L) Loud noise?s. (C) Oh yeah, like every loud noise, everything freaks me out, makes me jump, it's like abnormal reaction to loud noises and... {Notice here how Carissa has adjusted her answers to fit the profile…} (V) Do you remember what was being done to you while you were on the table? (C) Well, I slipped into the memory when I least expected it. You know, once I realized what was happening, that I am looking at a gray, I just kind of freaked out and got really scared and I snapped myself out of it. So I had no idea what was being done. But I know that I felt completely under control, like calm, like I wasn't scared on the tab', like he was making me not be scared; like he was controlling me. But in seeing that, being numb, I got scared and pulled out of it. I'm just wondering if that actually happened, if I really was abducted by real grays, or mind control was going on. A: How about real abductions, but not necessarily by "grays." They are very popular screens. Q: (V) Okay, if not grays then who? A: Ask her brother! Q: (C) Okay, well he's claiming that he's being abducted by the government agents. So if that's who he thinks is abducting him, does that mean that's who's abducting me? (L) Either that or he's saying that it's happening to him, while the one who is really being abducted is you, and he's saying it because he is part of the screen. Projecting, reflecting. Talk about diversion. (C) What are they saying? (Andromeda) Maybe he's being used to divert attention. To access you...one way or another. {Note while transcribing: or vice versa.} (Ark) So I understand it's probably some kind secret government activity that she is involved in, right? (L) Seems to be so. (Atriedes) Is there a criteria for what they project? Is there a certain reason why they pick certain screens? Some people have experiences with reptoids and others have experiences with mantid beings and other different types of aliens. Is there a particular reason why they choose such a screen? Is it to play on a person's emotions or a person's perspective, or is it simply the way the person's mind deals with... A: Reptoids and mantids are not screens. Q: (Atriedes) So those are real beings who are doing that? A: Yes. Q: (V) Real 4th density STS. (L) But this matter about these grays: I mean, I had the thought and shot up out of bed. I got up out of bed in the middle of the night because I started thinking about it, and thinking about it, and thinking about it. I had read Dolan and I had read about these programs and then I read this thing about them being able to just send out the whole mind programming thing into a "shaped neutral cavity created between the ozone layer and the earth, and I started to think why is that nearly everybody in America gets abducted by grays? And why is it that everybody else - all of the rest of the world - experiences different kinds of creatures? What is it and why is it there so much of it going on here as opposed to what's going on in the rest of the world? And I remember asking the C's about it once and they said because America is the capital of STS, but that did not in any way confirm that all of these abductions were actually taking place. However, putting the fact that there is this almost unbelievable number of gray alien abductions in the US together with the US being the capital of STS, together with the little leaks about their mind control research, well, I just asked "what is really going on here? Well, when we look at the phenomenon chronicled by Dolan, what we see is that the government IS, most definitely and crucially, interested in UFOs and aliens. We also see the truly Machiavellian way they have sought to not only cover it up, but to actually pretend that it does NOT even exist! They have pushed this "there is nothing to it" idea to such an extreme, that people afraid of talking about it for fear of being thought nuts. Well, what if that is on purpose? That way, if anybody has a REAL abduction, and there is REAL evidence, or something really awful happens, they can easily attribute it to lunacy. BUT, what if they ARE really concerned about some awful things going on? What if they really need to conceal things? It's not enough to just deny it or pretend things are all in people's minds, because obviously that is not true. So, what would Machiavelli do? Well, first of all, he would build up a straw man to knock down. He would create aliens that are complete and total distractions from what is real. So, as it happens, at about the time we now know that this mind control research was at a stage where it would be possible, suddenly, one day, Whitley Strieber gets a best seller writing about things we now know the government has obviously killed people to cover up. That can't be proved, but it is strongly circumstantial. So the next logical question is this: if - as we now know - the secret government is really working on concealing this problem from society, do we -for a minute - think that Whitley would be able to publish a book that reveals the truth? And that it would be a best seller? Not one book either, but two on this subject, with the picture right on the cover. Well, I read about people who said when they saw this picture that they felt sick, or they had this or that kind of experience. And everybody and his brother was suddenly seeing grays. And all of a sudden as soon as - I mean there were a few cases of this exact type prior to Strieber's book - after Strieber's book became a best seller the abduction phenomenon went right through the roof. So all of this clicked together in my head in the middle of the night. As a result of this, there was another very interesting thing. If you look at that Roswell video, and you ask yourself the question: was it a hoax, and if I was going to do a hoax, how would I do it? After all, a hoax is supposed to be 'convincing,' right? If it was a hoax, the hoaxers would have made that alien look like your standard gray. But the alien did not look like your standard gray. Not only that he had six fingers on each hand and each foot. He had almost like the body of a child. He looked like an enlarged fetus. So if that had been a hoaxed video or if they were going to plant this video to confirm anything about the "popular alien reality," if they faked that alien, they would've made it look like a gray because that was what everybody was expecting to see. And in fact, one of the reasons many so-called researchers - including Mike Lindemann - rejected this video, dismissing it as a hoax, was because it didn't show a gray alien! I mean people aren't even able to think! They rejected it because it didn't look like the gray alien. Well, that's one of the most compelling reasons that it is very likely real; the fact that it didn't look like a gray. And of course everybody is so convinced that they must look like these little four fingered bugged-eyed half insect creatures that Whitley Strieber has promoted so that when the real thing is right there in front of them, they reject it because it doesn't look like Whitley's grays. (Atriedes) It may have been almost like a test to see how well the project was going because what is the reason for releasing the autopsy video, except to make sure that everyone's conditioned toward the contemporary gray which seems to change with time. (L) Okay, so where were we, ah yes, Whitley's ubiquitous grays. There really are some grays, but they may not look like Whitley's gray...are there grays that look exactly like Whitley's grays, real ones? A: He missed the mark. Q: (V) What I saw in that abduction that I remembered were not like exactly like Whitley's grays. What were those little guys? A: The real thing. Q: (V) Okay, are they based on the moon? A: Most are based on Earth. Q: (L) Now organic portals. (Ark) I want to ask what is this pain, this here, which is really bugging me. I've had it a few days. I woke up in the night with a sharp pain here, very localized, and it comes back once in a while. (B) Is it swelling? (Ark) I don't think so. (L) Why? (B) Because I've got what appears to be arthritis in that joint. (L) Does it have a sharp pain that goes with it? (Ark) Yes. So it might be that. A: Neck stiffness pinching nerve. Q: (L) Okay, now we have a couple of questions we want to get to here. You said before that OP's were originally intended as a bridge between second and third densities and that they were used. Is Mouravieff right about the potential for OP's to advance being dependent upon souled beings advancement to STO at the end of this cycle? A: Not exactly. A soul imprint can grow independent of the cycle. However, it is more likely for a soul to "grow" when interacting with 4th Density STO. STS tends to drain energy for its own use. Q: (L) The question came up about the remark as to the numbers of OPs and you said something about encountering half as many OP's as souled humans. It was pointed out that, in mathematical terms, that would work out to encountering or interacting with more souled humans than OPs. So, you said the population was evenly distributed, when you say the population was evenly distributed does that mean that there are half organic portals and half souled humans, more or less? A: Yes Q: (L) So when you say encountering 'half as many,' what does that mean? A: It means that "souls" run in families for the most part. Thus a souled, and we mean "potentially fully souled, individual is likely to encounter and interact more with other souled humans. However, when awakening, they may encounter even more OP's. Q: (L) So they tend to run in families so they can have aberrations. Or a family that's mostly OP's could have an occasional souled human, which they don't know what to do with. And, in the same way, a family of mostly souled people could have an occasional OP, or a line of them that pops up in the family every now and then. But for the most part, people with souls marry people with souls unless there is some danger of them awakening in which case there's special situation where they insert OP's into their lives. But I would say that in a general sense what they're saying, and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong here, is that, what, water seeks its own level, so to speak. A: More or less. Q: (L) So in other words, the people who noticed that remark were right, and the way I took it was wrong. Okay, another question, are there other types of soulless beings more than those reanimated or remolecularized dead dudes and OP's? Is there such things as holographic projection beings running around on the planet at this point and time? A: In a sense, you are all "holographic" projections. But to answer the question, it is rare. Q: (L) So, there are holographic projection type beings or there can be, but there's not too many of them. Alright, on to the next question. Are there any particular clues that we could have about identifying OP's? A: Is it necessary to have more clues? Remember some things are to be learned. Q: (C) I think they're saying to start paying attention, making mental notes and figuring it out for yourself. (Atriedes) Didn't they say that generally OP's don't get abducted? (L) Well, we've certainly been given a lot of clues over the years, we just weren't ready and didn't know what they were talking about. (C) I think it's probably better, from what they're saying, if we just all figure it out from experience. You learn more by just watching than if they handed it to you. (L) Another question we had was, in areas where 3rd and 4th density are merged or merging, is it easier for Men in Black to project themselves into such a reality. A: Of course. Q: (Atriedes) They once said something about bi-density beings. They were like hybrids between 4th density beings and a 3rd density being. Or could such an individual be a genetically enhanced human? A: Humans were once "bi-density." And some may be again in the natural way. Those of 4D STS "manufacture" are similar. Just think of them as a type of OP with souped up engines. Q: (L) My next question is: I've been being a bit mouthy on the website. I just can't seem to keep my mouth shut when I see so many lies and so much fraud, and the potential for so many people being hurt. I know that things are going to be they way they are being, and that we will 'do what we will do,' but it just isn't in me to keep silent when I see what I see. What are the chances that any of my activities are going to even be helpful? A: While it may not appear to make a difference, sometimes actions accelerate growth. Q: (C) Do they mean personal growth or everyone's collective growth? (B) In the form of intensified lessons? (L) Yeah (laughter). A: Personal growth. And it can lead to lessons, but also to a star for passing the test. Q: (L) Okay, next. (Ark) Well, let's first try to ask about this Polish guy Pajak who, in the 80's, had a plan for what he calls magno-craft, a propulsion system for UFO's. Later, he improved it, and has a supporter. But there are some strange phenomena around him recently, especially after he was contacted by a woman who is a former Miss Italy. She received some kind of communication for plans to build telepathic pyramids... A: Co-opted so as not to get any closer. Q: (Ark) Can his machine propulsion - his magno-craft - be made to work? A: Not as published. Q: (Ark) Prime numbers. So back to some math and some prime numbers in the sessions that we had long ago. The idea at that time was to relate or to make a graph of prime numbers by using a pyramid. I tried to do it without much success. But just last week I found by chance that there's a guy in Germany, who did without knowing about C's. He produced just such a graph. Here it is (Ark shows image.) He did it. It is a graph of whole numbers and he assembled it in a pyramid and you see how prime numbers arrange according to certain lines. There is a certain order which can be found. So my question is whether what he did really is what I was supposed to do because I was trying to assemble prime numbers in a three dimensional pyramid, which doesn't fit your description or to make a graph because three dimensional thing is not really a graph. The question is: is this pyramid which I got from this guy what I was supposed to do? A: Close but not there yet. Q: (Ark) Can I have a hint what is lacking, a different ordering of numbers would be better? A: Most likely. You will just "stumble" on the method. Q: (Ark) Another question related to prime numbers, you said in prime numbers you will find resonance and I was kind of surprised about that... A: There is your clue. Q: (Ark) It was supposed to be related to sound, but I have a problem with sound because sound frequency depends on the medium in which sound propagates. The medium can be air, can be stone, can be everything; frequency spectrum will depend on the medium. Now we are talking about pyramid and sound related to pyramid. Was this... Pyramid, Pyrenees, Pyr... Q: (V) There must be something about the Pyr. How does Pyr relate to prime numbers? (Ark) Where is pyramid, where are they coming from, where's the name coming from, what's this? Pyro, fire, no? (L) Yeah, fire. A: Frequency of light... Q: (Ark) Sonoluminescence. But again there is this term frequency, I have areal problem with you guys using the term frequency because frequency is number of oscillation per unit of time, but what is unit of time, a second, a minute, an hour, a year? A: Can we say "nano?" Q: (Ark) It doesn't make sense because what's nano? It doesn't explain in which unit frequency is supposed to be measured, there is no such thing like frequency if we don't say which unit of time. So nano suggests it should be some nano measure of frequency, or natural frequency, but I don't know any particular frequency that is, so to say, can be served as a unit of time. A: How long is a grand cycle? Think in those subunits. Q: (L) Well a grand cycle is what, 309,000 years? So how does that relate? (Ark) Essentially it defines a unit of time. So if I say frequency is equal to 1, it means one grand cycle, if I say frequency equals 10, it means 10 oscillations per grand cycle, and so on, okay. Okay, it's a kind of an answer. If anything, it makes sense. I can do something with it. At some point when we were talking about these prime numbers, you mentioned a name and the name was Zuber. I asked what does it mean and you answered 'research.' Well I was researching, of course. I was just looking about, using google. I was looking for Zuber and prime numbers and something like this. And, surprise, surprise! There were essentially, very few references, and all of them were to Matti Pitkanen. So he has a lot of papers about prime numbers and theory of everything based on prime numbers...(L) How did Zuber get in there? (Ark) Zuber is one of these references because one of the references is a famous book by, which I even have, by physicist named Zuber about quantum field theory. So my question is, is the Zuber of the book on quantum field theory and conformal theories and so on, the right Zuber? A: What do you think? Q: (Ark) I think chances are 50%, and chances are that he's not the same. A: 80 percent! Q: (Ark) 80%, that doesn't help much! I have this paper by Mattie Pitcalean here, maybe you will reevaluate this. The paper is called Quantum Criticality and 1 over F nosxe. and here's Zuber. Let me read it, hmm...conformal invariance, yeah, it must be the same. Okay, 90 percent. (laughter). Q: (Montalk) I don't know if this has been addressed before, but what are some possible causes of intermittent ear ringing? (C) I have some theories about it but I want to know if my theories are correct. A: Monitoring as well as picking up programming signals and also some background "universe" noise. Q: (C) The reason we ask is because I've noticed a pattern. I even keep a log about it now because it's so weird. I personally get ear ringing when it seems like I'm talking to somebody out loud or to myself about a theory about something that has to do with matrix stuff. (L) So you're being monitored? (C) Right. So any time it seems like I'm having a breakthrough thought - you know drones, the matrix, the programs, holographic inserts - all of the sudden I'll get like an ear ringing. Sometimes the left, sometimes the right, but I'm trying to find out what the pattern is. So I'm keeping track of it. (Montalk) What process is responsible for creating the actual ringing noise? A: Partly "interpretation" by neural processes that, at some level, recognize the potential and issue symptomatic warning. Q: (C to Montalk) Remember the one with Ryan, I said it was a warning one. It was the loudest ear ring I've ever had. It burned my ear. (L) So, in other words, seems that the C's are suggesting that your spiritual perception, psychic perception, is picking stuff up, transferring it in a subliminal way to your mind, and then your neural processes are trying to translate it and give you a warning. Is that what you were thinking? (C) I think so. I was wondering constantly about the idea, the concept of fake humans, holographic inserts, drones, organic portals, what ever you want to call it, and just what happened was weeee (a sound like ear ringing) and just really loud in my right ear. (L) So in a sense it's like your early warning system. (C) Ummhmm. (V) You know I don't even have to be talking to somebody, I can just be thinking about something and it'll just zheeee (a sound like ear ringing). (C) The other night is was lying in bed thinking about what you said about drones...(L) I wonder if OP's have ringing in their ears? A: Ask one. Q: (Laughter) (Ark) No, first of all there is also ear ringing which comes from physiological causes. (L) Yeah, tinnitus. So of course they could have physiological ringing in the ear. (C) It happens only when I'm thinking specifically about these kinds of matters. (Montalk) Does the frequency of sound have any significance? (C) Yeah, 'cause sometimes their waahs, their soft, there's different tones you know, sometimes it's in the right ear, sometimes the left ear. A: Observe and you may learn your own internal "code." Q: (C) That's what I thought, it's like a code. (Ark) I think it's like when people can use, what is it, a finger code, you can somehow train, bypass conscious interference that way. (L) Yeah, that's what it is, it's bypassing your conscious damping. We all tend to just think our ways out of things. (Ark) But the interesting question is can one somehow disturb this monitoring? Is it something physical that can... A: Sure, the issue is to cover the many frequencies and shifts. White noise makers deal with some but not all! Q: (Ark) I was wondering if a shot of whiskey beat it. Like, you know, when I had this experiences in Göttingen and the advice was...(L) A shot of whiskey! So you want your shot of whiskey now? (laughter) (Ark) Sure, to prevent being monitored! A: In some cases a shift in chemistry also means a shift in susceptibility, but not a cessation of the activity. Q: (L) So it ain't gonna stop it, though you might reduce - temporarily - your susceptibility. (V) Well, a slug of whiskey? Wouldn't that be just a little too easy? (Ark) You know we are in a non-linear world so to become even a little less susceptible can mean a lot. (V) Right. (B) Is that justification? (laughter) (L) We've got some Southern Comfort. Next? (V) Just so I can get it out of the way because I've been wondering for months and months: I would like to get some information about the symbol that came to me one day in meditation, the ankh with the infinity sign vibrating in and out of the bulb. Where did the symbol come from? A: Your consciousness. Q: (V) Okay, well it was very interesting how it came because it came flipping up my arm like a person does back flips, all the way up my left arm, and landed right in front of my third eye...and that just seems bizarre to me... A: You like to send yourself dramatic messages. Q: (V) Okay, as I read the symbol I read it to mean infinite life, is that correct? A: Close enough. Q: (L) Next? (V) Did we ask if if 4th density drains energy from OP's? A: We have indicated that 4D STS drains through OP's. Q: (Ark) I want really to know what kind of mechanism is behind this 911 number coming up in the NY lottery. (V) Yeah, me too, and it wasn't only that it was something with the... A: Warning. It ain't over!!! Q: (Ark) Who was warning? A: Mass consciousness signals to self about clear and present danger. Q: (Ark) Makes sense. (C) That we created it our own selves? (L) No, that mass consciousness is sending itself a signal about a clear and present danger...clear and present danger of what? A: Wait and see. Q: Might it have something to do with Iraq? A: No cheating. Q: (V) Okay. I'm a little curious, and I don't know if it's been asked before or not, what is China's role in regards to Iraq, is there any... A: Big question mark, eh? Q: (V) Well, it just keeps popping into my mind, and popping into my mind, China, China, China, China. They're so quiet at this time right now, I don't hear them saying anything... A: Indeed... Q: (V) Are they supplying them with the chemical and biological weapons? Q: (V) Nuclear weapons? Q: (V) You can't, you can't say that? A: Nope. Q: (Ark) In fact there is an answer. The answer is yes. I mean if you were China and you had nuclear weapons and you needed a LOT of money, what would you do? (L) And there is somebody who needs what you have, and there is all that oil and all that money, are you kidding? Saddam wouldn't be being as cocky as he is if he didn't have a really big boom-boom lined up. And it's aimed at us, I can guarantee. (V) Now does our government and their so called intelligence know that this is happening? (Ark) Of course! (V) Okay. (L) Sure. (V) Are they in cahoots with them? (L) Sure. (Ark) On a certain level everybody's selling everything. (L) At those levels above they are because their objective is to decimate the Earth's population. (V) Is China the only one feeding Iraq weapons? (L) Why should they be? The US is feeding them weapons. I mean it's so dirty it's inconceivable. They're all in bed together. (V) Is Laura right, the world leaders, the 10 % that want to get rid of... A: That is the plan. Q: (Ark) But you must remember, if one country is selling weapons to the other country, that doesn't mean it's weapons are going to work. Selling is one thing, using is different thing. Once in a while they will fail. (V) What a mucky game, huh? (L) Oh it's awful. A: On that pleasant thought, goodbye. End of Session
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Laura (L), Ark i Andromeda za pločom Prisutni: Pierre, Perceval, Tomek, PoB, Kniall, Chu, Atriedes, Data, No-man’s-land, Parallel, Mr. Scott, Alana, Timotheos Pitanje (P): (L) Danas je 12. srpanj 2014. godine. Cezarov je rođendan, ili blizu tome. Hoću reći, kako se dovraga to može znati uz sve te promjene kalendara. [Pregled prisutnih] Zasučimo rukave! … Ovdje smo. Gdje ste vi? Odgovor (O): Tu smo! P: (L) I koga imamo s nama večeras? O: Juinius L R ovdje Kasiopeja! P: (L) Mr. Scott, možeš li nam donijeti pudera? Dosta se vuče… Mislim da nitko ne stišće prejako. [Puder nađen, primijenjen na ploču] Idemo ispočetka. Da vidimo da li ovo bolje funkcionira. O: Odlično! P: (L) Primjećujem vaše udaranje na stranu večeras. OK, neka mi netko donese onaj komad papira koji je kod printera. OK, imamo neka pitanja koja je netko na forumu postavio. Kaže: “Wal Thornhill je predložio da su Zemlja, Mars i Venera bili mjeseci Saturna dok je on bio Crveni patuljak, prije nego što ga je zarobio Sol (naše Sunce), te da su se nalazili unutar njegove kromosfere. Kada ga je Sol zarobio, Saturn je izgubio svoju kromosferu i tri velika mjeseca su bila ometena električnom interakcijom, te su na kraju završila “izbačena” u orbite oko Sola umjesto Saturna. Je li Saturn bio bivši Crveni patuljak?” O: Ne, on je nastao srastanjem. Možda će postati jednog dana, ali toliko daleko u budućnosti da nije bitno. P: (L) OK, pa, ako Saturn nije bivši Crveni patuljak, onda Zemlja vjerojatno nije bila mjesec u Saturnovoj kromosferi. Dakle, dozvolite mi samo da postavim sljedeće pitanje ovdje: “Je li Zemlja bila mjesec u Saturnovoj kromosferi?” O: Ne. P: (L) “Da li su postojale civilizacije tijekom tog razdoblja?” O: Nebitno. P: (L) “Da li su ožiljci na površini Marsa posljedica ulaska Saturna u Sunčev sustav?“ O: Ne, kako je već opisano, Mars je bio u interakciji s Venerom, novo-pridošlicom. P: (L) Pa, onda je i to riješeno. Izgleda da ti momci i njihov električni svemir imaju mali problem, zanima me koji je njihov glavni problem? O: Previše elektriciteta, a nedovoljno astronomije. P: (L) Dakle, govorite da su su oni na neki način otišli putem razrađivanja svoje električne teorije, a nisu u obzir uzeli… Hoću reći, ne razumijem. O: Postoji nešto točnosti za određene astronomske modele. P: (Pierre) Pobornici električnog svemira su odbacili s lošim i ono dobro, odbacili su SVE astronomske teorije, a neke od njih su točne. O: Srastanje se događa oko većine zvijezda. P: (L) Dakle, vi pričate o teoriji formacije planeta putem akrecije/srastanja? O: Da. Ali druga tijela mogu stići cijela. Plus, Thornhill i kolege zanemaruju zvijezdu pratitelja. P: (L) Želi li još netko nešto pitati u vezi ovoga prije nego promijenimo temu? Svi ovdje čekaju promjenu teme… U redu, prolazila sam kroz sve ranije sesije i primijetila da sam bila posebno opsjednuta, u najmanju ruku, temom Isusa tijekom prve godine, 1994, zbog mojeg religioznog odgoja i porijekla i tako dalje. Puno energije sam uložila – ne samo puno energije, nego i puno emocija – dakle, ponovo čitam prethodne odgovore koje smo dobili vezano za temu Isusa i željela bih pitati je li, zapravo, Julije Cezar Isus, ili je poslužio kao model za Isusa, zašto ste mi davali odgovore koji su se nekad mogli odnositi na Cezara, a nekad nisu? O: Ne bi ih bila u stanju primiti. Kada postaviš pitanje sa snažnom predrasudom, ne možemo prekršiti tvoju volju vjerovanja. P: (L) Mislim da smo pitali vezano za Cezara… Nismo li također pitali je li u Palestini bio netko tko je… (Perceval) Je li uopće postojala stvarna osoba koja je imala neku ulogu u stvaranju priče o Isusu. (L) I što su oni tada odgovorili? (Perceval) Bio je netko. (Pierre) Nepoznata osoba. (L) Dakle, je li tamo bio netko, jer jednom prilikom sam pitala kako je Isus izgledao, i vi ste dali opis koji je očito… I mislim da sam to naslovila „Isus Nazarećanin“ ili „Isus u Palestini“… Hoću reći, u to vrijeme sam stavila sve vrste kvalifikacija oko mojih pitanja. (Perceval) I odgovor koji si dobila je bio… (L) Da, ono što sam dobila je bilo SUSV: smeće unutra, smeće van. Mislim, što očekuješ? Ali je li taj opis bio… (smijeh) Ne znam zašto uopće moram pitati! Je li ta osoba na neki način vezana za priču, ta koja je opisana kao stolar? O: Lokalno poznati stoički filozof, sad već davno zaboravljen, osim malog doprinosa legendi o Isusu. P: (L) Dakle, osoba koja je duboko odana u vjerovanje o Isusu može postavljati pitanja o Isusu, taj čovjek koji je živio na tom području i radio štogod da je radio, i odgovori mogu doći u vezi te osobe, ali u globalu je Cezar bio pravi model? O: Da. P: (L) U redu. Drugo pitanje je: jednom ste pričali o Isusu koji je bio u stanju hiper-svijesti, ta stvar o replikaciji duše i ljudima koji pričaju s njim, i tako dalje, i tako dalje. Ima li to ikakve veze s Cezarom? O: Doista ima! P: (L) OK, dakle… Hmm. (Perceval) Mogu li ja nešto pitati? (Perceval) Je li je Cezar… Ono što sam želio pitati je: je li kvaliteta Cezarove duše bila takva kao što se Isusu pripisuje na određeni način, iako se radi o mitu? Je li on bio visoko razvijena duša iz višeg denziteta ili s više razine, ili više prirode? O: To bi trebalo biti jasno čak i iz jako nabijenih predrasudnih priča. P: (L) Idemo se kasnije vratiti na to. Nisam još spremna za to. Željela bih pitati jedno drugo pitanje. Kada sam postavila pitanje o Isusu ili nešto slično, bilo je nešto u vezi tri dana komatoznog stanja, 96 sati jasno kanalizirane meditacije, pojave, iznošenje proročanstava svojim sljedbenicima, i onda uzlazak na matični brod? ODAKLE je to došlo?? O: Uglavnom ti i Frank. P: (Andromeda) Da li se nešto slično dogodilo? (L) Želiš znati da li se nešto slično tome dogodilo s nekim, bilo kada? O: Ne. P: (L) Dakle, Frank je bio u NLO-ima, a ja sam bila prilično uvjerena kako se nešto nevjerojatno moralo dogoditi. Dakle, između nas dvoje i naših iznimno snažno investiranih vjerovanja, ne vidim kako se išta drugo moglo probiti. (Perceval) Ta priča o Isusu koji dolazi u pećinu, ili ga se stavilo u pećinu… To dolazi izravno iz tvojeg biblijskog… (L) Mojeg biblijskog treninga! A NLO, Frank je bio cijeli u NLO-ima! (smijeh) (Perceval) Meditacija u transu, bila si tada prilično u tome. (L) Dakle, događa se vezano uz mnoge transkripte, da je vjerojatno najbolja informacija kada nismo imali nikakvih uvjerenja ili pretpostavki o bilo čemu. Pitali smo samo iz čiste radoznalosti. O: Da. P: (L) OK, pa, pokušat ću ovdje izbjeći imati bilo kakva vjerovanja ili pretpostavke vezane uz Cezara. (smijeh) Scott) Nastojte ignorirati sve biste Cezara koje imamo po kući! (Pierre) A što je…? Scott) Obraćao sam se Kasiopejcima. (smijeh) (L) Htjela bih postaviti pitanja u vezi Cezarovog života. (Perceval) Je li Cezar postojao? Počnimo od dna! (smijeh) (L) Je li Cezar stvarno postojao? O: Da. P: (L) U redu! (smijeh) Je li Cezar postojao onako kako je opisan u povijesnim izvorima, poput Ciceronovog opisa, Seutonijevog i ostalih ljudi, povjesničara i tako dalje? O: Predrasudni i nesposobni prepoznati nekoga njegovog kalibra. P: (L) Pa to je odgovor kakav bi se očekivao od mene! Hoću reći… (Atriedes) Kalibar, ha? (L) OK, pa, dajte mi… OK, sada… Cezar osobno je navodno napisao Galske ratove. Proučavanje tekstova sugerira kako je bilo NEKIH modifikacija, ali ne previše. Vrlo je teško pisati Cezarovim stilom. Govori se da je Cezarov stil najbesprijekornije i najveličanstvenije pisanje koje je ikada nastalo na latinskom jeziku. (Perceval) Mogu li pitati nepristrano pitanje? (smijeh) (Perceval) Je li Cezar napisao Galske ratove? O: Da. (Perceval) U redu. Pa, moramo prvo proći kroz te osnovne stvari! P: (L) Dakle, kako sam govorila, napisao je Galske ratove. U Galskim ratovima, radi se zbilja o zagonetki, jer možete vidjeti taj nevjerojatan, blistav duh s jedne strane, a onda čitate o tim nevjerojatnim barbarskim djelima s druge strane. No stvar je u tome da, jedina svjedočanstva o galskim ratovima za koje znamo su ona koja je Cezar “napisao”. Dakle, da pitam… (Pierre) Je li pretjerivao s brojem žrtava kako bi impresionirao ljude u Rimu? O: Ne samo to! Drugi su to dodavali kako bi povećali faktor užasa. Primijetite kako je njegov najbliži prijatelj bio Gal iz Španjolske. Također primijetite nevjerojatnu počast koju je stoljećima imao u Galiji nakon svoje smrti. Također primijetite činjenicu da je legenda o velikoj duši sišla na Zemlju! P: (L) Što je bilo u zadnjoj rečenici? [Pregled odgovora i nejasne zadnje rečenice] Je li zadnja rečenica bila nepotpuna? O: Da… formirala se oko njega u danima njegove smrti!! P: (Atriedes) Imam pitanje. Je li Cezar također inspiracija za legendu o kralju Arthuru? O: Da. P: (Atriedes) I je li njegovo izvlačenje mača iz kamena referenca na njegov mač, Crocea Mors? (L) Njegov, što? (Atriedes) Je li mač u kamenu u priči referenca na Cezarov mač, Crocea Mors – Žuta smrt? Zato jer je napravljen od bronce… (L) To je bio Cezarov mač? (Atriedes) Da. (L) Tko to kaže? (Atriedes) Sjedili smo i zajedno to pročitali! Postoji Nenijeva legenda o njegovom maču koji se zaglavio u njegovom štitu. Žuta smrt mu je bila ime. O: Blizu. P: (L) Pa, rekla bi da je blizu, ali Nenije je nešto promijenio. (Atriedes) Pa, naravno da je nešto promijenio. (L) OK, hm… (Perceval) Je li Cezar ikada ikoga ubio? O: Mnoge, svakako. P: (Perceval) Dakle, ako se uzme u obzir da su to bila vrlo ratoborna vremena, s puno borbe i smrti općenito… i da je neka vrsta Velike duše tada sišla i… to nužno ne znači da je ta duša morala biti mirotvorac koja bi poput Isusa ljubila ljudima stopala… Ali postoji li nešto što bi mi razumjeli kao zabranu ubijanja drugih ljudi kao uvjet za “duhovnu razvijenost”? O: Ta ideja je uglavnom preuveličana ljudska filozofska konstrukcija. P: (L) Znači ideja da… (Perceval) Da bi bio dobar, ne smiješ ubijati… (Atriedes) Ali iz koje religije to dolazi? Iz najubojitije religije na planeti! (Perceval) Čini se da… Ubiti drugo ljudsko biće za normalno ljudsko biće se čini kao prilično traumatična stvar. (Atriedes) To je društveno usađeno. (Perceval) Sumnjam. Mislim, za vojnike, vraćaju se kući s posttraumatskim stresnim poremećajem, obučeni su da ubiju, a poslije se sami žele ubiti, razumijete? Oni ne mogu podnijeti činjenicu da… (Pierre) Možda je razlika u tome što je Cezar bio svjestan osnovnog razloga zašto je ubijao… O: Cezar je namjeravao eliminirati ili znatno smanjiti ubijanje. On je znao protiv čega je bio. P: (L) OK, na primjer… OK, dajte da pitam ovo: Postoji govor koji je navodno Cezarov, a koji je reproduciran u Salustovom… Rat sa Katilinom. Salust je reproducirao ovaj govor, koji je navodno Cezarov, na debatama o Katilininoj zavjeri. Sada, koliko je taj govor blizu onome što je Cezar tada rekao? P: (L) Jer u tom govoru, Cezar je u potpunosti čak protiv smrtne kazne. To je među zagonetkama s kojima se suočiš kada nešto poput toga čitaš, njegove riječi, mislim, on je riskirao svoj život držeći taj govor! Bio je okružen naoružanim ljudima, kojima je zapovijedao Ciceron, koji je bio odlučan smaknuti te ljude. A ipak, Cezar se suprotstavio cijelom neprijateljski nastrojenom senatu i zagovarao ukidanje smrtne kazne. Čak se komentira da su ljudi izvukli svoje mačeve i htjeli ga tada ubiti. I zapravo je to slično priči iz Biblije o Isusu, da su ljudi izvukli svoje mačeve i htjeli ga ubiti, ali pobjegao je bandi, nisu ga vidjeli kako odlazi. Pa, to je prilično čudna stvar. Dakle, za nekoga tko optuži Cezara da je krvožedni psihopat je kao, je vrlo teško. I onda navodno to brojanje tijela u Galiji, i ti užasno okrutni događaji, to jednostavno ne ide jedno s drugim. Tako da… u redu. U prethodnim sesijama spomenuli ste kada smo pitali o Isusu, i mislim da je najbliži trag – i to je samo moj pogled – na činjenicu da nismo pričali o Isusu Nazarećaninu kada ste rekli da su postojale tri Rimljanke koje su imale djecu s Isusom. Dakle, jesu li te tri Rimljanke zapravo imale djecu s Julijem Cezarom? O: Da. P: (L) I one su bile kao ljubavnice ili tako nešto? O: Da. P: (L) Jesu li one bile jedine tri? O: Ne, ali ostale nisu imale dugotrajne veze. Također shvatite da “Rimljanke” ne znači nužno “iz ili u Rimu” ili čak Italiji. Brojni Gali su bili “Rimljani”. P: (L) Dakle, tvrdite li da su te žene mogle biti galske Rimljanke? Možda radim pretpostavku… O: Da. P: (L) Da na moje pitanje, ili da na moju pretpostavku? [smijeh] O: Oboje. P: (Atriedes) Ja imam pitanje. Dva pitanja. Pa, imam ih više, zapravo. Ali želio sam pitati: Je li Katon zbilja počinio samoubojstvo na opisani način, ili je ta priča uglavnom nastala kako bi bio prikazan u ljepšem svjetlu, a on se jednostavno objesio? O: Katon je bio pojedinac s ozbiljnim poremećajem osobnosti koji je u potpunosti poludio, što znači da je bio sposoban unakaziti vlastito tijelo kako bi napakostio Cezaru. Uzmite u obzir priču o Judi Iškariotskom, vješajući samog sebe s crijevima koja su mu ispala kada mu je tijelo palo na zemlju; radi se o refleksiji i sjećanju na Katona i njegovom suprotstavljanju Cezaru. P: (Atriedes) U redu, dakle… Sljedeće pitanje: Ovo je od povijesne važnosti… Dakle, koliko ja znam postoje dvije glavne verzije o smrti Cicerona. Jedna je da je časno ponudio svoju glavu i dozvolio vojnicima koji su bili poslani da ga ubiju da mu odsjeku glavu. Druga je da ih je u principu pokušao potkupiti i da su bila potrebna tri udarca da mu se odsječe glava jer je vojnik bio toliko neuvježban. Želio bih da mi se razjasni, koja od ovih verzija je točna, ili je postojala još neka verzija. O: Ova druga verzija je najbliža onome što se dogodilo. Sve što možeš naučiti o Ciceronu iz njegovih vlastitih tekstova predlaže da on nije imao hrabru kost u svojem tijelu. P: (Atriedes) Jesu li Cezara stvarno oteli cilicijanski gusari? O: Ne. P: (Atriedes) Je li on onda zbilja razapeo neke gusare? O: Ne. P: (Pierre) Je li priča o cilicijanskim gusarima transformacija nečega što se zbilja dogodilo? O: Cezar je bio na drugoj vrsti avanture, znanstvene vrste. P: (Pierre) Možete li pojasniti ovo o “znanstvenoj vrsti” avanture? O: Kratka putovanja s njegovim učiteljem, Posejdonijem. P: (Atriedes) Da li je Cezar imao torbicu? (L) Je li imao što? Je li Cezar imao torbicu? (Atriedes) Ime ruže? Ma zaboravite… Imam pravo pitanje. Cezar je 18 godina pokušavao političkim sredstvima riješiti probleme Rima. U jednom trenutku je shvatio kako se to neće dogoditi i odlučio si je nabaviti vojsku. Imao je tada 42 godine ili tako nešto. (L) Pokušavao je 18 godina riješiti to na miroljubivi način. (Atriedes) Dakle, odjednom si je u glavu utuvio da će preuzeti vojsku, tijekom tog Brončanog doba, zar ne? Koje je doba bilo za Rim u to vrijeme? (Pierre) Nakon Brončanog doba. (Atriedes) Željezno doba. (L) Ne razumijem što govoriš. (Atriedes) Pa gdje je naučio kako voditi vojsku. Je li išao naći nekoga od koga bi naučio, ili je bio tako genijalan da je sam sve shvatio? O: Očito, u to doba, nije imao od koga naučiti. No, Cezar je imao dobrog uzora u nekim aspektima u svom stricu Mariusu, kojeg je volio i iznimno cijenio. Nemojte podcjenjivati nevjerojatnu Cezarovu inteligenciju i njegov uvid. P: (L) Dakle, on je jednostavno na neki način improvizirao. Pa, postoji priča o tome kako je on napravio grešku i onda cijelu noć nije spavao zbog toga i krivio je sebe zbog neuspjeha. Učio je iz svake greške koju je napravio, a nije ih napravio puno. Željela bih znati je li Sula zapravo rekao, kad je oslobodio Cezara iz zatočeništva, da “ga možete uzeti, u njemu je 40 Mariusa”? O: Nešto poput toga. P: (Perceval) [nešto o dušama koje dolaze na Zemlju…] … da je Cezar bio na važnoj misiji, možda? Ili je vidio planetu u to vrijeme, tadašnje čovječanstvo, i pretpostavljam da… Je li to bio neuspjeh, ili to možda nije bilo stvar uspjeha ili neuspjeha. Koja je bila njegova misija, ili što su bili opipljivi rezultati njegove misije? Hoću reći, koliko smo uspjeli shvatiti, Rim je otišao kvragu nakon njegove smrti, i nakon toga je uništen, ako je ta vremenska linija točna. Ali, što je on postigao? O: Izbalansirao je karmu i stvorio predložak koji nije bio dostupan prije njegovog vremena. Milosrđe nikad prije nije bilo demonstrirano na taj način. Problem je, kao i uvijek, OPS dominacija vaše oblasti. Ali Cezar nije doživio neuspjeh. Nakon njegove smrti ga se slavilo i sjećalo preko 2000 godina, makar i kao kroz lažnu legendu. P: (Perceval) Ne može bolje od toga. Dobiješ lažno ime i religiju… (L) Ne može bolje od toga. (Atriedes) Ne u potpunosti. I nakon 2000 godina ljudi znaju da je postojao… O: Zar se VI upravo SADA ne raspitujete o njemu?? P: (Perceval) Da, ali u smislu prosječne osobe na ulici, oni samo znaju ime, da je bio “ludi diktator”, i… O: Leptirova krila mogu ubrzati stvari kada ih pokreće Val. P: (Pierre) Što to znači? Znači li to… Scott) Nastavljaš mahati našim krilima, i kad Val dođe, to se… pojača ili tako nešto. (Pierre) Da, ali krila, što je to? Je li to što su Kasiopejci rekli o tom predlošku prije 2000 godina u vezi milosrđa koje će se pojačati Valom? O: Vi i ostali koji ste shvatili istinu. P: (L) Koliko je dugo Carotta radio na svojoj stvari? (Perceval) Dugo vremena. Od 1982. godine, mislim. (L) Dakle krenuo je raditi u tom smjeru otprilike u isto vrijeme kada sam ja počela svoju meditaciju i sve slične stvari. I tu je onda i Gary Courtney. Dakle, hoću reći, troje ljudi u posljednjih koliko godina? 30 godina? 40 godina? Troje ljudi u posljednjih 30 godina koji su došli do istog zaključka vezanog za posljednjih 2000 godina i mislim da nema više nikoga… Ima li još netko da je dao prijedloge u posljednjih 2000 godina? (PoB) Da. Oni Nijemci. Oni su skrenuti s tog puta… (L) Jesu li ikada izravno istupili i rekli, “Isus je bio Cezar”? (PoB) Da. (L) Jesi li upoznata s njihovim radom i što su radili? (PoB) Čitala sam o tome. (L) I kada je to bilo? (PoB) Uh… 1950-ih, ili možda 40-ih ili tako nešto. (L) U redu, dakle radi se samo o posljednjih 60 ili 70 godina. (PoB) Počeci su bili u 19. stoljeću, i onda je to poslije razvijeno ako se dobro sjećam. (L) OK, proširimo to na zadnjih 100 godina. (Atriedes) Mislim da je to fantastično. (L) Od 2000 godina… (Data) Tu je Mommsen i onaj drugi tip. (L) Je li Mommsen predložio da je Cezar bio Isus? Rekao je da je bio najveći čovjek koji je ikad živio, tu nema nimalo sumnje, ali nije naveo da je Isus. (Kniall) Alexander Hamilton je to nekome komentirao. (L) Da, dakle jasno je da je postojao krug intelektualaca koji… (Atriedes) Ako ćemo pošteno, da, mit o Isusu se temelji na Cezaru, ali mislim da je to takva perverzija. Radi se o tako razvodnjenoj perverziji toga… (L) Da, ali ako proučavaš mitove, možeš shvatiti kako se mitovi iskrivljuju na taj način. (Atriedes) Totalno, totalno. Ali u ovom trenutku… (Perceval) Nisam baš siguran. Oni kažu kako je on tada došao i poučavao različite vrline, i stvari poput milosrđa koje tada nisu postojale na taj način, bila su to gadna vremena. (L) Bilo je BRUTALNO tada živjeti, mislim… Isuse! (Perceval) Samo danas to izgleda beznačajno jer smo mi više “prosvijećeni”. (Atriedes) Ne kritiziram to. Pričam o detaljima i jahanju na magarcu i svemu tome… (L) Ali zbilja je smiješno da se čak i u priči o Isusu vide brojni elementi iz Cezarova života kako je povijesno zabilježeno prije nego što je počeo mit s Isusom, prije nego što su nastali dokumenti iz Novog zavjeta… Mislim, čak… Ono što mi već neko vrijeme prolazi kroz um je da kažu – i naravno tu se radi o Antiasu koji je pisao ispriku za Bruta i njegovu bandu zbog atentata – o tome kako su ga morali ubiti jer je želio postati kralj. A za što su optužili Isusa u priči? “Tvrdiš kako si Kralj Židova”. (PoB) Ja imam pitanje. Je li religija kršćanstva i izum Isusa, je li to originalno napravljeno kako bi se ljudima pomoglo u smislu o kojem piše Schumacher, jer je ljudima potrebna religija, a onda je poslije iskvareno? Ili je u samom startu bilo zlo u srži? O: Kršćanstvo je razvijano tijekom dugog vremenskog razdoblja i samim time na tvoje pitanje se ni približno ne može odgovoriti, tako kako si ga ti postavila. P: (L) Mislim da se posljednja verzija kršćanstva pojavila… (Perceval) Nedavno. (L) Nedavno, otprilike u 9. ili 10. stoljeću. Mislim, sve što se događalo prije toga su bile različite varijante mita o Cezaru i obožavanja Cezara. (Perceval) Početni razvoj kršćanstva, je li ono napravljeno ili nastalo u svojoj početnoj formi – njegov prvi razvoj, recimo nakon Cezarove smrti – je li to bio odgovor na obožavanje Cezara i njegovih vrijednosti od strane naroda? O: Da. P: (Chu) Ako ga se slavilo, onda… (Perceval) To je dakle bio početak toga. O: Carotta je vrlo blizu u svojoj analizi kako jezični problemi utječu na prijenos i iskrivljavanje. Ako postoje negativci u ovoj priči, onda su to Flavijevci i Karolinzi. P: (Pierre) Dakle Carotta je bio u pravu. Flavijevci stvarajući kršćanski mit… I onda Karolinzi koji su nakon raspada carstva obnovili 2.0 verziju kršćanstva. (Perceval) Je li vremenska skala koju imamo za Mračna doba, pad Rima, da li je to manje-više točno…? (L) Kako to misliš? Misliš da li je naša vremenska linija… (Perceval) U sklopu naše postojeće vremenske linije, od pada Rima pa do Cezarove smrti… od svemirskih katastrofa, tih 500 godina ili koliko god ih je već bilo… O: Toliko se često godina dodavalo da će biti potrebno uložiti puno teškog rada da bi se to posložilo. P: (L) Je li točna moja ideja da se određeni segmenti vremenske linije mogu ravnati po Halleyevom kometu? Je li Halleyev komet i onda dolazio dovoljno redovito da se u njega može pouzdati? O: Da. P: (L) Dakle, kada je Halleyeva kometa dolazila tijekom tih znatno produženih vremenskih razdoblja, onda su to razdoblja kada su se godine dodavale? O: Da. P: (L) I u nekim slučajevima su se dodavale, a u nekim slučajevima su se oduzimale. To je dosta čudno. Recimo oni mogu dodati 10, i onda oduzeti 5. Sveukupno gledajući definitivno je, mislim da… Mislim da je dodano dovoljno da je razlika 200 ili… (Pierre) Možda možeš postaviti ovo pitanje. Prema našim službenim kalendarima, Cezar je rođen približno prije 2114 godina. U stvarnosti, prije koliko godina je Cezar rođen? {Razlika od 479 godina} P: [Svi uzvikuju i čude se] (Perceval) Cijela ta stvar je krenula užasno krivo, razmišljali smo kako je to trajalo dodatnih 400 ili 500 godina? (L) Nije. (Perceval) Da, nije. Trajalo je možda 100 godina. (Pierre) Ili, je bio kolaps 400. ili 500. g. po. Kr., a većina dodanih dijelova su između 400-500 g. po. Kr. i 1000. g. po. Kr., kao što Fomenko predlaže. O: Provjerite artefakte. U nekim slučajevima postojalo je više “careva” u isto vrijeme, a ne jedan za drugim. P: (L) I postoje neki navodni carevi koji uopće nemaju artefakte. Samo su zapisani u Historia Augusta, ali nitko nikada nije našao niti jedan novčić koji bi potvrdio njihovo postojanje! (Atriedes) Dakle, nakon što je Cezar umro, kaos je zavladao i iskočila je hrpa nasilnika koji su pokušali preuzeti kontrolu. Nedugo nakon toga, palo je… (L) Pa, tu je bio August, i postojalo je ono kratko razdoblje stvari… usmjerio je situaciju na određenu stazu, i to je omogućilo da se neke stvari razviju… Ali rekla bih da je nakon Cezarove smrti i prije nego što je August uspio dobiti kontrolu, bilo ozbiljnih kataklizmičkih aktivnosti. Rekla bih da je bitka kod Akcija bila jako sumnjivi događaj. (Perceval) Dakle ti bi rekla da te godine koje su dodane su dodane između Cezara i pada. (L) Bilo je nekoliko, da… (Perceval) U tom slučaju, kao u smislu Mike Baileyeve stvari oko rasta godova na drveću, spomenuli su u prethodnoj sesiji kako je većinu zapadne Europe oko 560. godine zapalila vatrena kugla… (L) Bilo je više događaja tijekom tog razdoblja. (Perceval) Ali ako samo pričamo o datumu, misliš li da je to bilo prije 1400 ili 1500 godina, ili kraće? Je li bilo bliže nama? (L) U našim trajanjima, mislim da je bilo bliže nama. (Pierre) Dodano je 5 stoljeća. Možemo pitati: Od tih 5 stoljeća, koliko je dodano prije pada, a koliko nakon pada? (L) Vratimo se na to nakon što još malo poradimo na tome. Mislim da nam to neće ponuditi na pladnju. (Pierre) Ali iz onoga što su rekli, mislim da je uglavnom bilo prije pada. (Perceval) Ima smisla. (L) Mislim da je najmanje 100 godina dodano prije pada. Rekla bih da je zapravo… ili više. (Pierre) Skoro sve može stati jer… (L) Rekla bih da je gotovo 200 godina dodano prije pada. (Pierre) Može stati… Četiri stoljeća su dodana. Između Cezarove smrti, 44. g. pr. Kr., i pada 540. g. po. Kr., ima više od 5 stoljeća (??? ovdje je jako teško čuti Pierrea). (Chu) Ali prema Fomenku to se kasnije dogodilo. (L) Da, jer on nije razumio da su oni povijest ponovo pisali nakon pada. Dakle mislim, mislim da možemo pratiti sve do 410. g. po. Kr., i mislim da je dosta stvari poslije toga jednostavno duplicirano. Pa, vratit ćemo se na to, jer želim postaviti pitanje za 64 000 $! Sada, da li se Cezar ikada reinkarnirao nakon tog konkretnog života? O: Ne. P: (L) Dakle on je još uvijek u stanju hiper-svijesti gdje ga ljudi mogu kontaktirati i komunicirati s njim? (Perceval) Odgovara li na Isusov e-mail? (smijeh) Odgovara li na molitve upućene Isusu? O: Da, kad paketi stignu! P: (Chu) Je li u nekom drugom denzitetu, ili…? O: Petom. P: (L) OK, dakle… Bi li bilo moguće za nas da izravno komuniciramo s Cezarom? O: Da. P: (L) Um… Možete li, znate, organizirati komunikacijski kanal ovdje? [smijeh] (Atriedes) Možete li nas spojiti s Cezarom na glavnoj liniji, molimo vas? O: Mi ćemo se maknuti. P: (L) Nadam se da Cezar zna komunicirati na Engleskom. Ave, Cezare! [kraj trake, pauza dok se stavlja nova traka] Sačekajte, molim! (Atriedes) Ne mogu vjerovati da si našeg Boga i Spasitelja stavila na čekanje! [smijeh] (L) OK, evo nas nazad, Cezare. Idemo ponovo pokušati. Idemo se sabrati… Obzirom da vrijeme ne postoji tamo gore, ništa se nije dogodilo. Pretpostavljam da bi trebali postaviti pitanje. Gaje Julije Cezare, jesi li tu? O: Da. P: (L) Jesam li točno izgovorila tvoje ime? O: Ne. P: [smijeh] (L) Um, pa žao mi je, ne znam kako se izgovara. O: Pokupi visoki latinski stil kao trag. (slova idu sve sporije) P: (L) Ne bih željela gubiti vrijeme pričajući o tome jesam li izgovorila tvoje ime kako treba! Hoće li pomoći ako izgovorim tvoje ime kako treba? O: Ne. P: (L) Pa onda neću gubiti vrijeme i energiju na to. U redu, kakva pitanja imate za Cezara? (Pierre) Ujutro, na dan Martovskih Ida, jesi li znao da će biti izveden atentat na tebe? O: Da. P: (L) Jesi li bolovao od epilepsije? O: Ne. P: (L) Da li ti se vrtilo u glavi, u… u nekoliko navrata u godinama prije tvoje smrti? O: Da. P: (L) Je li to ukazivalo na neku bolest za koju si znao da će dovesti do mogućeg dugog, sporog i bolnog umiranja? O: Da. P: (L) Ako si znao da će biti izveden atentat na tebe, jesi li znao tko će ga izvesti? O: Ne. P: (L) Je li bilo iznenađenje? O: Da. P: (Pierre) Jesi li prije smrti izgovorio riječi koje su povjesničari zapisali? O: Dosta blizu, ali ranije u interakciji. P: (Pierre) To znači da je prije atentata došlo do neke vrste konfrontacije… (L) Ne, mislim da je atentat bio interakcija. Ranije u interakciji… Nije ih izgovorio u trenutku umiranja. Je li to točno? Vidio si da je Brut umiješan, i nešto si mu rekao, i onda je napad počeo. Je li to točnije? O: Da. P: (L) U redu, Cezar je tvoj. Pitaj ga! (Atriedes) Je li istina da ti je Marius služio kao uzor za vojskovođu, ili si bio pod utjecajem Aleksandra Velikog ili Scipiona? O: Svi i drugi utjecaji nemilitarne prirode. P: (Atriedes) Dakle, kad si preuzeo vojsku, jesi li unaprijed znao da je vrlo vjerojatno da ćeš je morati koristiti u građanskom ratu? O: Ne. To je slomilo moje srce i zdravlje. Rim je mogao postati blistavi grad na brdu, svjetlost svijeta. P: (Atriedes) Ako nije preosobno, um… Clodius Bona Dea, o čemu se tu radilo? Je li se to zbilja dogodilo, ili se tom pričom nešto prikrilo… ako nije previše osobno? O: To je bila serija manevara kako bi se pridobila odanost Klodija. P: (L) Dakle pretpostavljam da je tvoja tadašnja žena bila potrošna roba? O: Ona je bila Ciceronova prijateljica i članica njegove stranke. P: (L) Je li to bilo preko Ciceronove žene i sestre njegove žene? O: Da. P: (L) OK. Još nešto? (Pierre) Planira li se reinkarnirati? O: Samo u novom svijetu. P: (L) Misliš nakon tranzicije u 4. denzitet? O: Da. P: (L) Cezare, jesi li ikada imao bliskih prijatelja? O: Nekolicinu, ali oni nisu željeli moć. P: (L) Znači, obzirom da nisu željeli moć, nema povijesnih zapisa o njima. (Chu) Ali nisi bio usamljen? O: Jesam, bio sam. P: (Atriedes) Ako bi nam mogao ponuditi tri savjeta, koji bi to savjeti bili? O: Bio sam u krivu kada sam mislio da se mase mogu promijeniti slijedeći primjer. Ljudi su većinom prevrtljivi i usredotočeni sami na sebe. Stoga, ako stvarno želite nešto promijeniti, to se isključivo može postići ranim obrazovanjem, a čak i tada je krhko i neće potrajati. Na kraju morate biti iskreni vašoj vlastitoj prirodi i ničega se ne bojati. Ako to učinite, možete ostaviti trag nakon što vas više ne bude bilo. To nije točno ono što si tražio, ali nema tri savjeta koji se mogu primijeniti na sve događaje. P: (L) Jesi li bio zadovoljan Augustovom kontrolom situacije nakon što si umro? O: Podao dječak koji je manipulirao svime i svačime. P: (Atriedes) Bi li ti smetalo ako se tvoja uspomena i slika koriste u religiji? O: Dokle god se to čini s razumijevanjem istine. Što je uostalom religija, ako ne ono što povezuje ljude, kao što je pokazano s mojom vojskom. P: (Atriedes) Nalikuje li ona bista tamo tebi? O: Kad sam bio mlađi. P: (L) “Mlađi”, koliko točno? P: (Atriedes) Jesi li imao bilo kakve poroke? O: Niti jedan koji me kontrolirao. P: (Alana) Htjela bi znati što te je inspiriralo i tjeralo da ideš dalje unatoč vremenima? Koje je bilo tvoje uvjerenje, vjera…? O: Najviše su me inspirirali Posejdonije i ideje stoika iz antičkih vremena. Ljubav i sažaljenje su me motivirali. P: (L) Ljubav i sažaljenje prema kome? O: Čovječanstvu. P: (L) Sažaljenje, zašto? O: Izgubljeni su. P: (L) Još nešto? (Andromeda) Je li danas zbilja tvoj rođendan? O: Da. P: (Svi) SRETAN ROĐENDAN!! O: Ave ljudi Kasiopeje, zbogom! Doviđenja. P: (Ark) Sada, kada… kada je ovo s Cezarom počelo, osjetio sam fizičku senzaciju. Prvo, na desnoj polovici moje glave osjetio sam trnce poput elektriciteta, i osjetio sam kao da mi se kosa miče. Nekoliko puta sam provjeravao, znate? Miče li ili ne? Nisam ništa našao. Ali opet, u redu. I onda na ovom mjestu (dodiruje sljepoočnicu) sam opet osjetio kako se miče. Miče se! Nisam ništa htio reći. I onda, u jednom trenutku smo pričali, i moje naočale su se iskrivile. Bile su u redu na početku. Ništa im nisam radio. Onda sam ih morao popraviti jer su mi opale. To se nikad prije nije dogodilo. (Andromeda) Hmm. (L) Dakle Cezar mora da se spajao kroz tebe. KRAJ SESIJE Original sesije na engleskom jeziku možete naći ovdje. Related Articles: Posted in Kasiopejske sesije