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Hello, I would like to ask for information on ginseng extraction. First I put the photo on your extractor: - Instead of a spirulina, I already have a heating nest. - Frita is practically filled with dirks. Like alcohol, I used 60% pharmacy and I now use 40% old-fashioned (with aniseed silica). - I leave the extractor out of the rule for 4-5h. I use 30g of Siberian ginseng and 250ml of 40% alcohol. Questions I would like to ask: - How much do I actually have a concentrated tincture? It does not seem to me how to compare it and how it is comparable to what is being bought on the market. The tint curve has a relatively dense yellow color after extraction. - Will some substances break down due to long-term heating, or at what time? I tried to reuse the finished tincture again to extract another 30g (I knew the solvent is being recycled) of ginseng. The resulting product was already brown in color, and a relatively heavy sedimentation stuck to the walls of the flask. The known person subjectively described such a tincture as a feeling of minor effect. - Is it real to create a greater concentration of tincture, or does it make sense? I saw syrupy concentrates on the chest Finally, I would like to write that I do not enjoy full-fledged high school knowledge of chemistry, it's just my hobby since my childhood. But there is no problem learning something. At twenty-six years, it's easy to get into my head. I do not know anyone with the necessary knowledge about the ginseng-owning extractor. Sincerely, Martin R. Hello, Martine, I have a weakness for the laboratory glass, and your extractor looks directly in the textbook ... When I wrote about the extraction of ginseng drugs on Soxhlet's extractor , I did not expect to find so many real professionals interested in professional methods. Eleutherococcus extraction on Soxhleth Used plant material Your material is otherwise suspiciously similar to that just asked by a regular reader who bought it from Salvia Paradise. Please do not call him a ginseng, but an eleuterokok, otherwise it will knit with a real ginseng. When I use the term ginseng in the following text , I always think Panax , the so-called " Siberian Ginseng " I mean as eleuterokoccus ( Eleutherococcus senticosus ) . Custom extraction You make it right that you fill it in the extraction vessel to the edge, because rather than a tree, a herb , it is wood, lignum (perhaps) eleutherococci senticosi , which swells only a fraction of its volume. - Yellow carotenoids may appear yellow. Tincture do not compare anything, just mark out how many grams of drug comes from 100ml tinctures and you have it. If your drug is ok, then you can trust your own tinktura more than the products on the market. - Chemically relatively simple Eleutherococcus I studied less in detail than ginseng. I feel, however, that they can withstand the extraction of their active substance for four to five hours without serious damage. I would like to allow the eleutrook to heat up to 100 ° C for up to 2 hours and at your 90 ° C evenly 4. The temperature can be further reduced by increasing the alcohol content or by extracting under reduced pressure. I know that in ginseng (right) heat from panaxosides is removed by malonyls, but otherwise the etheric bonds hold both the Jewish faith. Even if they hydrolyze, it is not a disaster, those hydrolyzed forms are also effective. The hydrolytic cleavage of saponin sugar residues also occurs after digestion in the digestive tract, where the milky bacteria often irradiate up to the aglycone. For ginseng (right) there are two main aglycans panaxoside PPT and compound K, and these are also highly effective, for example, against the hangover . (Eleutherocok, unfortunately, I do not have such a bad look.) What you stick to the walls would seem to be a phytochemical nomenclature , without any longer delay, included among the "substances of bitter nature" :-), but what exactly can be, I do not know. I do not think this is the result of longer warming, rather than exceeding the solubility limit of something in that mixture of alcohol and water, which then returns to the glass. Residual sediment is not welcome because it can pull some of the active substances. Try if it does not dissolve in a higher alcohol concentration. It's not a 100% chance, for example, Canadian balsam must be xylene for the permanent preparation of the protozoa, but it can happen. Perhaps you will have to increase the concentration of alcohol again. As far as the subjective evaluation of the effect of eleutherococcus is concerned, it is hardly in my view, but I do not want to say that it is impossible. - I would say that the syrups you've come across are syrupy rather because of the addition of viscosity-increasing substances (alginates, gelatin or other tricks) rather than because of their high concentration. However, the hydrophilic viscous carrier may also have a positive effect by entrapping the molecules of the contents in the solution (rather than sticking to the glass). Just so I do not talk too negatively about something I do not know. In summary, it would seem from your experience that the concentration of alcohol and the reasonable strength of the tincture is limited in the case of woody eleuterokok with the presence of resins that are not a problem for ginseng. To college knowledge of chemistry ... As far as the study of chemistry is concerned, do not worry about it at all. Rather, think about experimenting not only with a lot of fun, but also something positive that brings you something, which is a problem harder than chemical-engineering calculations. If you are interested in practical chemistry, you can study the theory later. Then you will understand that you are not studying for a piece of paper, but in order to better understand what you already know from practice. -boris-
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Pozdrav, želio bih pitati za informacije o vađenje ginseng. Prvo, donijeti svoje fotografije na extraxtor: - Umjesto toga sam bio alkohol gnijezdo lampa goriva. - Frit pratim gotovo do rupe. Kao što su alkohol, prvobitno sam se 60% farmacije i sada se koristi 40% Starorežná (ima anisa ulje). - Izvlači neka pravila pokrenuti 4-5H. Hladan Ginseng korištenje 30 g i 250 ml 40% alkohola. Pitanja koja bih želio pitati: - Koliko ja stvarno koncentrirana tinktura? To me ne napada s onim što je usporediti i kako je to usporedivo s onim što je kupio na tržištu. Tin strukture uključeni nakon ekstrakcije ima relativno gustu žutu boju. - KORAK je određenih tvari zbog duljeg zagrijavanja ili u kojem roku? Pokušala sam gotovog tinkturu ponovno koristi za izdvajanje još 30 g (I znao da otapalo reciklira) ginseng. Dobiveni proizvod je već boja na smeđe i zabada na mom zidu tikvicu prilično těžkosundatelné depozita. Poznat subjektivno opisala osjećaj takvog tinktura meněího učinak. - Realno je stvoriti veću koncentraciju tinktura, ili su to smisla? Vidio sam na tržištu u rasponu sirupast koncentrata U zaključku, želio bih napisati da potpuno znanje o kemiji vysoškolskými ponuditi ne samo da je moj hobi od djetinjstva. No, nema problema za naučiti nešto. Tijekom 26 godina ja sam još uvijek puzi u glavu lako. Svatko s potrebnim znanjem o posjedovanje ginseng izvlači na žalost ne znam. S poštovanjem, Martina R. Pozdrav Martina, Imam slabost za laboratorijskog stakla i izgleda izravno izvlači svoj udžbenik ... Kad sam nedavno pisao o vađenje ginseng lijekova u Soxhlet izvlači , zamišljala sam da će se mnogi ljudi zainteresirani za pravi profesionalac metodama. Soxhlet ekstrakcija za eleutherocok Rabljeni biljne tvari Vaš materijal na drugi način sumnjivo kao što je činjenica koju trenutno traži stalan čitatelj, koji ga je kupio od Salvia raj. Molimo ga ne govore ginseng, ali eleutherocok, inače će zbuniti pravi ginseng. Kad sam koristiti sljedeći tekst izraz ginseng, Panax uvijek znači nazvao. „ Sibirski ginseng ” mislim prvenstveno kao eleutherocok (eleutherococcus senticosus) . vađenje Radite dobro, da je ispunjen u vađenje posuda do vrha, jer umjesto lišća, Herba je drvo, Lignum (nadamo se) eleutherococci senticosi koji buja samo dio svog kapaciteta. - Za žute boje može očito karotenoida. Tinktura ne usporediti s ništa, jednostavno dobiti svoj znak koliko grama droge dolazi 100 ml tinkture i imate ga. Ako vaš lijek je u redu, onda sami tinktura može vjerovati više od proizvoda na tržištu. - Kemijski relativno lakše eleutherocok sam studirao manje detaljne od ginsenga. Ali osjećam da 4-5hodinovou vađenje aktivne sastojke može tolerirati bez ozbiljnih ozljeda. Prema osjećaj I usudio eleutherocok zagrije na 100 ° C, te 2 sata pri 90 ° C, u mirnom i 4. Temperatura se može dalje smanjiti kao povećanje u alkoholu ili ekstrakcijom pod sniženim tlakom. Znam da je ginseng (desno), a grijanje potrebu panaxosidů cijepaju malonil, ali inače eterska veza drži kako židovsku vjeru. Iako su neki hidrolizirani, to nije katastrofa, oni su hidrolizirani oblik također učinkoviti. Hidrolitičko cijepanje šećernih ostataka iz saponina štoviše javlja nakon ingestije u probavnom traktu, gdje je često izbirljiva bakterija Ozer do aglikon. Ginseng (desno) su dva glavna aglikoni panaxosid PPT i spoj K , a to su također vrlo učinkovit, čak i protiv mamurluka . (Sibirski nažalost ja ne volim stupili improvizacija.) Što ste zapeli na zidovima fito-kemijsku nomenklaturu očito bez oklijevanja više rangiran među „prirode bitumenskog materijala” :-), ali što to točno moglo biti, ne znam. Ne mislim da je to zbog sporog zagrijavanja, a nešto prevlada granice topljivosti u smjesi alkohola i vode, koji su zatim ponovno depozit na staklo. Pločica sediment nije prihvatljiv jer može odbiti dio svake druge aktivne sastojke. Pokušajte, ako se otapa na višoj koncentraciji alkohola. 100% šanse da nije potrebno za kanadski balzam za trajno pripremu protozoa mora ksilena, ali ne mogu ugled. Možda zato što su koncentracija alkohola ponovno povećati. Što se tiče subjektivnog procjenu učinka Eleuthero, koji po mom mišljenju, jedva, ali ja ne želim reći da je to nemoguće. - Ja bih rekao da je gusto proizvode koje su naišli su prilično sirupast dodavanjem povećanje viskoznosti (alginata, želatine ili drugih trikova) nego za visoke koncentracije. Hidrofilni viskozna medij, međutim, može imati pozitivan učinak hvatanje molekule koje sadrže različite sastojke u otopinu (umjesto lijepe za staklo). To samo tako da nisam govorim previše negativno o nečemu što znate. Ukratko, iz svog iskustva Čini se da je koncentracija alkohola i tinkture razumnom snagu drvenastih eleutherocok ograničenu prisutnost smole koji nije problem s ginseng. Sveučilište poznavanje kemije ... Što se tiče studija kemije, ne brinite o tome. Umjesto toga, razmislite o činjenici da je eksperiment bio ne samo skupo za zabavu, ali i donijeti nešto pozitivno za materijal, što je luk problema teže nego kemijskog inženjerstva izračune. Ako ste zainteresirani za praktični kemije će trajati, teorija može završiti studij kasnije. Tada ćete shvatiti da ne studija zbog službene komad papira, ali zato da bolje razumiju ono što već znate iz iskustva. -boris-