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Session Date: July 12th 2014 Laura, Ark, and Andromeda at the board Pierre, Perceval, Tomek, PoB, Kniall, Chu, Atriedes, Data, No-man's-land, Parallel, Mr. Scott, Alana, Timotheos Q: (L) Today is July the 12th, 2014. It is Caesar's birthday, or close enough. I mean, how the hell do you really know with all the calendar changes? [Review of those present] Let's roll up our sleeves! We are here. Where are you? A: Here we are! Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening? A: Juinius L R here Cassiopaea! Q: (L) Mr. Scott, can you get us some powder? There's a lot of drag... I don't think anybody's pressing too hard. [Powder located, applied to board] Here we go again. Let's see if this works better. A: Good job! Q: (L) I notice your hitting to the side tonight. Okay, somebody get me that piece of paper that's by the printer. Okay, we have some questions that somebody on the forum was asking. It says: "Wal Thornhill has suggested that Earth, Mars and Venus were moons of Saturn when it was a Red Dwarf star, prior to capture by Sol (our sun), and were contained within its chromosphere. When captured by Sol, Saturn lost its chromosphere and the three large moons were disrupted by the electrical interaction and ended up being "blasted" into orbits around Sol instead of Saturn. Was Saturn a former Red Dwarf?" A: No, it was a product of accretion. It may become one someday, but so far in the future that it is not important. Q: (L) Okay, well. If Saturn was not a former Red Dwarf, then Earth was probably not a moon in Saturn's chromosphere. So, let me just ask the next question here: "Was Earth a moon in Saturn's chromosphere?" A: No. Q: (L) "Where there civilizations present during that period?" A: Irrelevant. Q: (L) "Are the scars on Mars' surface a result of Saturn's entry into the solar system?" A: No, as has been described, Mars interacted with Venus, the newcomer. Q: (L) Well, that takes care of that. So these guys with their electric universe business kind of seem to have a little problem, and I wonder what their main problem is? A: Too much electricity and not enough astronomy. Q: (L) So, are you saying that they have kind of gone way elaborate with their electrical theories and haven't taken into account... I mean, I don't understand. A: There is some validity to certain astronomical models. Q: (Pierre) The electric universe supporters threw out the baby with the bath-water, and they rejected ALL astronomical theories, but some of them are valid. A: Accretion does occur around most stars. Q: (L) So, you're talking about the accretion disk theory of planetary formation? A: Yes. But other bodies can arrive whole. Plus, Thornhill and pals neglect a companion star. Q: (L) Anything else anybody wants to ask about that before we change topics? Everybody here is waiting for the change of topic... Okay, I've been going over all of the early sessions, and I noticed that I had a particular obsession with the topic of Jesus during the first year at the very least, 1994, because of my particular religious upbringing and background and so forth. And I had a lot of energy invested in - not just a lot of energy, but a lot of emotion - so, I'm reading back over these previous answers we received on the topic of Jesus, and I would like to ask if, in fact, Julius Caesar is Jesus, or was the model for Jesus, why were you giving me answers that sometimes could have been applied to Caesar, but other times could not? A: You would not have been able to receive. When you ask a question with strong prejudice, we cannot violate your will to believe. Q: (L) I think we asked about Caesar... Didn't we also ask if there was somebody also in Palestine who was... (Perceval) Was there even a real person that played any part in the creation of the Jesus Story. (L) And what did they say at that time? (Perceval) There was someone. (Pierre) An unknown person. (L) So, was there someone, because on one occasion I asked about what Jesus looked like, and you gave a description which obviously... And I think I prefaced it "Jesus of Nazareth" or "Jesus in Palestine"... I mean, I put all kinds of qualifiers around my questions at the time. (Perceval) And the answer you got was... (L) Yeah, what I got was GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out. I mean, what do you expect? But was that description... [laughs] I don't even know why I need to ask! Was that individual related in some way to the story, the one that was described who was a carpenter? A: A stoic philosopher of local fame now long forgotten except for minor contribution to the Jesus legend. Q: (L) So, a person who is really wrapped up in a belief about Jesus could be asking questions about Jesus, this guy who was in this particular area and did whatever, and the answers could come up about that individual, but in the larger scheme of things, the real model was Caesar? A: Yes Q: (L) Okay. The other question is: You once talked about Jesus being in a state of hyperconsciousness, the soul-replicating thing and people talking to him, and so on and so forth. Does that have anything to do with Caesar? A: Indeed it does! Q: (L) Okay, so... Hmm. (Perceval) Can I asked a question? (L) Yeah. (Perceval) Was Caesar... What I kind of wanted to ask is: Was Caesar of the kind of quality of soul that people kind of ascribe to Jesus in a certain sense, even though that's a myth? Was he a highly-evolved soul of kind of higher density or higher level, or higher nature? A: That should come through even highly charged prejudicial tales. Q: (L) Let me come back to that. I'm not quite ready for that yet. I want to ask one other question. When I asked the question about Jesus or something, and there was something about three days in a comatose state, 96 hours of clear-channel meditation, emergence, prophesying to his followers, and then ascending into a mother ship? WHERE did that come from?? A: You and Frank mostly. Q: (Andromeda) Did anything similar to that happen? (L) You want to know did anything similar to that take place with anybody, at any time? A: No Q: (L) So, Frank was onto the UFOs, and I was pretty determined that something remarkable must have happened. So between the two of us and our extremely strong invested beliefs, I don't see how anything else could have come through. (Perceval) That story about Jesus coming to the cave, or being placed in a cave... That comes straight from your biblical... (L) My biblical training! And the UFO, Frank was all about UFOs! [laughter] (Perceval) Trance meditation, you were fairly into that at the time. (L) So, it occurs to me that in terms of many of the transcripts, probably the best information is when we didn't have any beliefs or assumptions about anything at all. We were just asking out of pure curiosity. A: Yes Q: (L) Okay, well, I'm going to try to avoid having any beliefs or assumptions here about Caesar. [laughter] (Mr. Scott) Try to ignore all the Caesar busts we have all over the house! (Pierre) What about...? (Mr. Scott) I was talking to the C's. [laughter] (L) I would like to ask questions about Caesar's life. (Perceval) Did Caesar exist? Let's start from the bottom! [laughter] (L) Did Caesar really exist? A: Yes Q: (L) Alright! [laughter] Did Caesar exist pretty much as he has been depicted in the historical accounts, i.e. Cicero, and Sallust, and Suetonius, and the other guys, the historians and so forth? A: Prejudicial and inability to recognize one of his caliber. Q: (L) Well that's an answer you expect to get from me! I mean... (Atriedes) Caliber, huh? (L) Okay, well, let me... Okay, now... Caesar himself apparently penned The Gallic Wars. Textual studies do suggest that there has been SOME modification, but not a whole lot. It's very difficult to write in Caesar's style. Caesar's style is said to be the most impeccable and glorious writing that has ever been produced in the Latin language... (Perceval) Can I ask an impartial question? [laughter] (L) Yes? (Perceval) Did Caesar write the Gallic Wars? A: Yes. (Perceval) Alright. Well, we've gotta get these basic concepts down first! Q: (L) So anyhow, as I was saying, he wrote The Gallic Wars. In The Gallic Wars, it's really a conundrum, because you see this incredible shining spirit on the one hand, and then you read of these incredible acts of barbarity on the other hand. But the thing is, the only reports that we know of about most of what's in The Gallic Wars is what Caesar "wrote". So, let me ask... (Pierre) Did he exaggerate the number of casualties to impress the people in Rome? A: Not only! Others added to this later to increase the horror factor. Notice that his closest friend was a Gaul from Spain. Also notice the extraordinary honor in which he was held in Gaul for centuries after his death. Also notice the very fact that the legend of a great soul come down to earth! Q: (L) What was the last sentence? [Review of answer and wonky last sentence] Was that last sentence incomplete? A: Yes ...formed around him within days of his death!! Q: (Atriedes) I have a question. Is Caesar also the inspiration for the Arthurian legend? A: Yes. Q: (Atriedes) And was him pulling the sword from the stone a reference to his sword, Crocea Mors? (L) His what? (Atriedes) Was the sword in the stone story a reference to Caesar's sword, Crocea Mors - the Yellow Death? Because it was made in Bronze... (L) That was Caesar's sword? (Atriedes) Yes. (L) Says who? (Atriedes) We sat down and read it together! There's a myth from Nennius about his sword getting stuck in his shield. The Yellow Death was its name. A: Close. Q: (L) So, I'd say it's close, but Nennius did something to it. (Atriedes) Well, of course he did something to it. (L) Okay, um... (Perceval) Did Caesar himself ever kill anyone? A: Many, certainly. Q: (Perceval) So, given the times around then being very war-like, with a lot of fighting and death going on in general... and with some kind of a Great Soul at the time coming down and... it doesn't necessarily have to be a peacemaker kissing people's feet like Jesus... But is there some thing like what we would understand as a prohibition against killing other people as a requirement for being "spiritually evolved" A: That idea is for the most part an exaggerated human philosophical construct. Q: (L) So the idea that... (Perceval) That to be good, thou shalt not kill... (Atriedes) But which religion does that come from? The most killingest religion on the planet! (Perceval) It does seem to... Killing another human being for a normal human being does seem to be quite a traumatic thing. (Atriedes) It's socially inculcated. (Perceval) I doubt it. I mean, for soldiers, they come back with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, they're trained to kill, and they want to kill themselves afterwards, ya know? They can't handle the fact that they... (Pierre) Maybe the difference is that Caesar was aware of the very fundamental reason why he was killing... A: Caesar intended to eliminate or vastly reduce killing. He knew what he was up against. Q: (L) Okay, for example... Okay, let me ask this: There is a speech alleged to have been Caesar's that is reproduced in Sallust's... The War with Catiline. Sallust reproduces this speech, supposedly Caesar's, at the Catilinarian Conspiracy debates. Now, how close is that speech to what Caesar said on the occasion? A: 80 percent. Q: (L) Because in that speech, Caesar is completely against even the death penalty. It's among the conundrums that you face when you read something like that, his words, and I mean he was risking his life giving this speech! He was surrounded by armed men, under the command of Cicero, who was bound and determined to execute those people. And yet Caesar stood up against the entire hostile senate, and advocated against the death penalty. And it's even commented that people drew their swords and wanted to kill him at that time. And in fact it's very similar to a story about Jesus in the bible, that people drew their swords and wanted to kill him, but he escaped from the mob and they didn't see him leave. So, it's really kind of an odd thing. So, for somebody to accuse Caesar of being this murdering psychopath is like, it's very difficult. And then supposedly these body counts in Gaul, and these horrible cruel events, and it just doesn't reconcile. Okay. Now you mentioned in previous sessions when we asked about Jesus, and I think probably the closest clue - and this is just my take on it - to the fact that we weren't talking about Jesus of Nazareth when you said that there were three Roman women who had children with Jesus. So, were these three Roman women actually having children with Julius Caesar? A: Yes Q: (L) And they were like mistresses or something? A: Yes Q: (L) Were those the only three? A: No, but others had no long term relationship. Also understand that "Roman" does not necessarily mean "from or in Rome" or even Italy. Many Gauls were "Roman". Q: (L) So, are you saying that these women could have been actually Gaulish Romans? Maybe I'm making an assumption... A: Yes. Q: (L) Yes to my question, or yes to my assumption? [laughter] A: Both. Q: (Atriedes) I have a question. Two questions. Well, I have more, actually. But I wanted to ask: Did Cato really commit suicide in the way described, or was that story mainly manufactured to make him look good and he just hung himself? A: Cato was a severely personality disordered individual who went totally mad, thus it was possible for him to savage his own body to spite Caesar. Consider the story of Judas Iscariot hanging himself and his bowels spilling out when his body fell to the ground; a reflection and memory of Cato and his opposition to Caesar. Q: (Atriedes) Okay, so.. Next question: These are of historical significance... So, there are to my knowledge two main stories of the death of Cicero. One is that he honorably stuck out his head and allowed the soldiers that were sent to kill him to cut off his head. The other is that he basically tried to buy them off and it took three strikes to cut off his head because the soldier was so untrained. I would like it clarified as to which one of these stories is the correct one, or if it was another. A: The latter is closest to what happened. All you can learn about Cicero from his own writings suggests he did not have a courageous bone in his body. Q: (Atriedes) Was Caesar really kidnapped by Cilician pirates? A: No. Q: (Atriedes) So then did he actually crucify any pirates? A: No. Q: (Pierre) Is the Cilician pirate story a transformation of something real that happened? A: Caesar was on another kind of adventure of the scientific kind. Q: (Pierre) Can you elaborate on this "scientific kind" of adventure? A: Short travels with his teacher, Posidonius. Q: (Atriedes) Did Caesar have a purse? (L) Did he have a what? Did Caesar have a purse? (Atriedes) Name of the Rose? Never mind... I do have a real question though. For 18 years, Caesar tried a politically expedient way to fix the problems of Rome. At a certain point he decided this wasn't going to happen, and he decided to get himself an army. He was like 42 or something at this point. (L) He tried for 18 years to do it the peaceful way. (Atriedes) So, all of a sudden he gets it into his head that he's going to take over an army, in like this Bronze Age, yeah? What was the age for Rome at that time? (Pierre) After the Bronze Age. (Atriedes) Iron Age. (L) I don't understand what you're saying. (Atriedes) So like where did he learn how to manage an army. Did he go find somebody to learn from, or was he just so great that he figured it all out on his own? A: Obviously, at that time, there was no one to learn from. However, Caesar did have a good model in some respects in his uncle Marius whom he loved and honored greatly. Do not underestimate the extraordinary intelligence and insight of Caesar. Q: (L) So he just kind of winged it. Well, there is the story of him making a mistake and losing sleep all night long over it, and blaming himself for the failure. He learned from every mistake he ever made, and he didn't make many. I would like to know did Sulla actually say, when he released Caesar from his proscription, that “you can have him, there are 40 Mariuses in him”? A: Something like that. Q: (Perceval) [Something about souls coming to Earth...] ...that Caesar had a great mission, perhaps? Or he saw the planet at the time, humanity at the time, and I'm assuming that... Was it a failure, or maybe it was not a matter of success or failure. What was his mission, or what were the tangible results of his mission? I mean, from what we understand, Rome went to hell after he died, and then got destroyed, if that timeline is actually correct. But, what did he achieve? A: He balanced karma and created a template that was not available until his time. Mercy had never been demonstrated in such a way before. The problem, as always, is the STS domination of your realm. But Caesar did not fail. By his death he was glorified and remembered for over 2000 years even if only under a fake legend. Q: (Perceval) That's as good as it gets. You get a phony name and a religion... (L) That's as good as it gets. (Atriedes) Not entirely. People know he existed even after 2000 years... A: Aren't YOU asking about him NOW?? Q: (Perceval) Yeah, but in terms of the average person on the street, they just know a name, that he was a "crazy dictator", and... A: Butterfly wings can move things faster when powered by the Wave. Q: (Pierre) What does it mean? Does it mean... (Mr. Scott) You keep flapping our wings, and when the wave comes, it gets... amplified or something. (Pierre) Yeah, but the wings, what is it? Is it what the C's said about this template 2000 years ago about mercy that will amplified by the wave? A: You and others who have realized the truth. Q: (L) How long has Carotta been working on his thing? (Perceval) Long time. 82, I think. (L) So he started working along that line about the same time I started doing all my meditating and all that kind of business. And then there's Gary Courtney. So, I mean, three people in the last how many years? 30 years? 40 years? Three people in the last 30 years who came to the same realization out of 2000 years that I don't think there's anybody else... Is there anybody else who's even made the suggestion in the last 2000 years? (PoB) Yes. There were German guys. They kind of were diverted... (L) Did they ever come right out and say, "Jesus was Caesar"? (PoB) Yes. (L) Do you know about their work and what they did? (PoB) I read about it. (L) And when was this? (PoB) Uh... 1950's, or maybe 40's or somewhere. (L) Okay, so it's been just in the last 60 or 70 years. (PoB) The beginnings were in the 19th century, and it was later developed if I remember correctly. (L) Okay, so let's expand it to the last hundred years. (Atriedes) I think that that's fantastic. (L) Out of 2000 years... (Data) There's Mommsen and the other guy. (L) Did Mommsen suggest Caesar was Jesus? He said he was the greatest man who ever lived, there's no question about that; but he didn’t suggest he was Jesus. (Kniall) Alexander Hamilton made that comment to someone. (L) Yeah, so there clearly was a circle of intellectuals that... (Atriedes) To be fair, yeah, the Jesus myth is based on Caesar, but I mean and it's such a perversion. It's such a watered down perversion of it at that... (L) Yeah but you can understand if you study myths, how the myths get twisted that way. (Atriedes) Totally, totally. But at this point... (Perceval) I'm not sure though. They say that at this time, he came and taught virtues, and things like mercy that didn't exist in that way, it was a pretty bad time. (L) It was a BRUTAL time to be alive, I mean... Jesus! (Perceval) It's just that today it seems like small potatoes because we're more "enlightened". (Atriedes) I'm not critiquing that. I'm talking about the details and the riding in on the ass and all that... (L) But it's really funny that even in the Jesus story, you see so many actual elements of Caesar's life as actually recorded historically before the Jesus myth began, before the New Testament documents were produced... I mean, even... What's been kind of running through my mind for awhile is they say - and of course this was Antias writing the apology for Brutus and his gang for the assassination - that they had to assassinate him because he wanted to become a king. And what was Jesus accused of in the story? "You say you are King of the Jews." (PoB) I have a question. Was the religion of Christianity and the invention of Jesus, was it originally made to help people in the Schumacher sense, because people need religion, and then corrupted later on? Or from the very beginning it was evil at the core? A: Christianity was a series of developments over a very long period of time and thus your question does not approach any possibility of being answered as you have asked it. Q: (L) I think that the final putting together of Christianity was... (Perceval) More recent. (L) Way more recently, like the 9th or 10th century. I mean, everything that was going on before then was just a variety of Caesar myths and Caesar worship. (Perceval) The initial development of Christianity, was it done or made in its initial form - its first development, let's say after Caesar - was that in a response to the deification of Caesar by the people, and his values? A: Yes. Q: (Chu) If it was glorified, then... (Perceval) So that was the start of it. A: Carotta is very close in his analysis of how language issues affected the transmission and distortions. If there are any villains it would be the Flavians and the Carolingians. Q: (Pierre) So Carotta was right. The Flavians creating the Christian myth... And then the Carolingians after the collapse of the empire recreating the 2.0 version of Christianity. (Perceval) Is the time scale that we have for the kind of Dark Ages, fall of Rome, is that more or less correct...? (L) What do you mean? You mean is our time line... (Perceval) In terms of our timeline, from the fall of Rome back to Caesar's death... from the cosmic disaster, those 500 years or whatever it is... A: There were years added so often that it will take some hard work to sort it out! Q: (L) Am I right in my idea that we can date the segments of the timeline by Halley's Comet? Is Halley's Comet regular enough back into those times that it can be relied on? A: Yes Q: (L) So, when they have Halley's Comet coming at these vastly expanded periods, then those are the periods where years have been added? A: Yes. Q: (L) And in some cases they're added, and in some cases they're subtracted. It's very strange. Like they can add 10, and then subtract 5. Overall there's a definite, I think that... I think that enough has been added that we're off by 200 or... (Pierre) Maybe you can ask this question. Caesar was born roughly 2,114 years ago according to our official calendars. In reality, how many years ago was Caesar born? {Difference of 479 years} Q: [General oo-ing and ah-ing] (Perceval) The whole thing went so horribly wrong, we were thinking how did it last another 400 or 500 years? (L) It didn't. (Perceval) Yeah, it didn't. It lasted maybe 100. (Pierre) Or, there was a collapse in 400 or 500 AD, and most of the added chunks are between 400-500 AD, and 1000 AD, as Fomenko suggests. A: Check the artifacts. In some cases there were multiple "emperors" at the same time rather than sequential. Q: (L) And there are even some alleged emperors who have no artifacts. They're just written down in the Historia Augusta, but nobody has ever found a single coin to attest to their existence! (Atriedes) So, after Caesar died, things threw into chaos, and a bunch of despots popped up claiming control. Shortly thereafter, it fell... (L) Well, there was Augustus, and there was that short period of things... he put things on a certain track, and that gave time for some things to develop. But I would say that after Caesar's death and before Augustus even managed to gain control, that there was some serious cataclysmic activity. I would say that Battle of Actium was a very suspicious event. (Perceval) So you would say that those years that were added were between Caesar and the fall. (L) There were some, yeah... (Perceval) In that case, like in terms of Mike Bailey's tree ring growth thing, they mentioned in a previous session about most of Western Europe being set on fire by a fireball in 560... (L) There were multiple events during this period. (Perceval) But just for the dating of it, you'd think that was 1400 or 1500 years ago, or was it shorter? Was it closer to us? (L) I think that was far more recent in our terms. (Pierre) 5 centuries were added. We can ask: Out of those 5 centuries, how many were added before the collapse, and how many were added after the collapse? (L) Let's come back to that after we've done a little more work on it. I think that their not going to hand us that one. (Pierre) But from what they say, I think it's mostly before. (Perceval) Makes sense. (L) I think there was at least 100 years added before the collapse. I would say that the actual... or more. (Pierre) You can almost fit everything because... (L) I would say it's almost 200 years added before the collapse. (Pierre) You can fit... there are 4 centuries that were added. Between Caesar's death, 44BC, and the collapse in 540 AD, you have more than 5 centuries [??? Very hard to hear Pierre here...]. (Chu) But according to Fomenko it was later. (L) Yeah, because he wasn't understanding that they were recreating history after a collapse. So I mean, I think we can trace it as far as 410, and I think a whole lot of stuff would just duplicate it after that. Well, we'll come back to that, because now I want to ask the $64,000 question! Now, did Caesar ever reincarnate since that particular lifetime? A: No. Q: (L) So he's still in that state of like hyperconsciousness where people can contact him and communicate with him? (Perceval) Does he answer Jesus' e-mail? [laughter] Does he answer Jesus' prayers? A: Yes when the packets arrive! Q: (Chu) Is he in another density, or...? Q: (L) Okay, so... Would it be possible for us to communicate directly with Caesar? A: Yes. Can you, you know, arrange the communication relay here? [laughter] (Atriedes) Can you patch us through to Caesar on a trunk line, please? A: We will step aside. Q: (L) I hope Caesar can communicate in English. Ave Caesar! [tape ends, pause for loading another tape] Please hold! (Atriedes) I can't believe you put our Lord and Savior on hold! [laughter] (L) Okay, we're back, Caesar. Let's try again. Let's get ourselves together here... Since time doesn't exist up there, nothing happened. I guess we ought to ask a question. Gaius Julius Caesar, are you there? A: Yes. Q: (L) Did I pronounce your name correctly? A: No. Q: [laughter] (L) Um, well I'm sorry, I don't know how to pronounce it. A: Pick up high Latin style for clue. [letters come much more slowly] Q: (L) I don't want to waste time talking about whether I pronounced your name right! Will it help if I pronounce your name right? A: No. Q: (L) So I won't waste time and energy on that. Okay, what questions does anyone have for Caesar? (Pierre) The morning, on the Ides of March, did you know you were going to be assassinated? A: Yes. Q: (L) Did you have epilepsy? A: No. Q: (L) Did you have dizzy spells, for... on a few occasions in the years before your death? A: Yes. Q: (L) Did these indicate some illness that you knew was going to lead to some possible long, lingering and miserable death? A: Yes. Q: (L) If you knew you were going to be assassinated, did you know by whom? A: No. Q: (L) Was it a surprise? A: Yes. Q: (Pierre) Did you say the words that historians report when you died? A: Very close but earlier in the interaction. Q: (Pierre) So it means that before the assassination there was some kind of confrontation... (L) No, I think the assassination was the interaction. Earlier in the interaction... He didn't say them as he died. Is that correct? You saw that Brutus was involved, and you said something to him, and then the attack commenced. Is that closer? A: Yes. Q: (L) Alright, you've got Caesar. Ask him! (Atriedes) Is it true that Marius was your model as a military leader, or were you influenced by Alexander the Great or Scipio? A: All and other influences of a nonmilitary nature. Q: (Atriedes) So, when you took on the army, was it with the foreknowledge that it was highly probably that you would have to use them in a civil war? A: No. That is what broke my heart and health. Rome could have been the shining city on the hill, light of the world. Q: (Atriedes) If it's not too personal, um... What was the skinny on the Clodius Bona Dea thing? Did that really happen, or was it a cover story... if it's not too personal? A: It was a series of maneuvers to gain the loyalty of Clodius. Q: (L) So I'm assuming that your wife at the time was expendable? A: She was a friend of Cicero and a partisan of his party. Q: (L) Was that through Cicero's wife and his wife's sister? A: Yes. Q: (L) Okay. What else? (Pierre) Is he planning to reincarnate? A: Only in a new world. Q: (L) You mean like after a transition to 4th density? A: Yes. Q: (L) Caesar, did you ever have a close friend? A: Several but they did not want power. Q: (L) And thus, since they did not want power, they were not recorded in history. (Chu) But you weren't lonely? A: Yes I was. Q: (Atriedes) If you could give 3 pieces of advice to the world, what would they be? A: I was wrong to think I could change the masses by example. Humans are fickle and self-centered for the most part. Thus, if you wish to really effect changes, it can only be done by early education, and even then it is fragile and will not last. In the end you must be true to your own nature and fear nothing. If you do that you may make a difference after you are gone. That is not exactly what you are looking for, but there are no 3 pieces of advice that serve all events. Q: (L) Were you satisfied with how Augustus handled things after your death? A: A vile boy who manipulated everyone and everything. Q: (Atriedes) Do you mind if your memory and image is used in a religion? A: As long as it is with understanding of the truth. What is religion anyway but that which binds people together as is showed with my army. Q: (Atriedes) Is the bust over there a correct likeness of you? A: When I was younger. Q: (L) "Younger" as in how old? Q: (Atriedes) Did you have any vices? A: None that controlled me. Q: (Alana) I want to know what inspired you, and kept you going despite the times? What was like your belief, faith...? A: I was most inspired by Posidonius and the ideas of the Stoics of the ancient times. What drove me was love and pity. Q: (L) Love and pity for who? A: Humanity Q: (L) Pity, why? A: They are lost. Q: (L) Anything else? (Andromeda) Is today really your birthday? A: Yes. Q: (Everyone) HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! A: Ave People of Cassiopaea, farewell! Goodbye. Q: (Ark) Now, when... When this Caesar thing started, I felt a physical sensation. First, like the right half of my head tingling like with electricity, and I could feel like my hair is moving. Several times I was checking, you know? Is it moving or not? I couldn't find anything. But then, okay. Then here at this place (touches temple) again I was feeling it's moving. It's moving! I didn't want to say anything. And then, at some point we were talking, and my glasses got bent. They were okay at the beginning. I didn't do anything. Then I had to fix them because they fell down. That never happened before. (Andromeda) Hmm. (L) So Caesar must have been connecting through you. END OF SESSION
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Laura (L), Ark i Andromeda za pločom Prisutni: Pierre, Perceval, Tomek, PoB, Kniall, Chu, Atriedes, Data, No-man’s-land, Parallel, Mr. Scott, Alana, Timotheos Pitanje (P): (L) Danas je 12. srpanj 2014. godine. Cezarov je rođendan, ili blizu tome. Hoću reći, kako se dovraga to može znati uz sve te promjene kalendara. [Pregled prisutnih] Zasučimo rukave! … Ovdje smo. Gdje ste vi? Odgovor (O): Tu smo! P: (L) I koga imamo s nama večeras? O: Juinius L R ovdje Kasiopeja! P: (L) Mr. Scott, možeš li nam donijeti pudera? Dosta se vuče… Mislim da nitko ne stišće prejako. [Puder nađen, primijenjen na ploču] Idemo ispočetka. Da vidimo da li ovo bolje funkcionira. O: Odlično! P: (L) Primjećujem vaše udaranje na stranu večeras. OK, neka mi netko donese onaj komad papira koji je kod printera. OK, imamo neka pitanja koja je netko na forumu postavio. Kaže: “Wal Thornhill je predložio da su Zemlja, Mars i Venera bili mjeseci Saturna dok je on bio Crveni patuljak, prije nego što ga je zarobio Sol (naše Sunce), te da su se nalazili unutar njegove kromosfere. Kada ga je Sol zarobio, Saturn je izgubio svoju kromosferu i tri velika mjeseca su bila ometena električnom interakcijom, te su na kraju završila “izbačena” u orbite oko Sola umjesto Saturna. Je li Saturn bio bivši Crveni patuljak?” O: Ne, on je nastao srastanjem. Možda će postati jednog dana, ali toliko daleko u budućnosti da nije bitno. P: (L) OK, pa, ako Saturn nije bivši Crveni patuljak, onda Zemlja vjerojatno nije bila mjesec u Saturnovoj kromosferi. Dakle, dozvolite mi samo da postavim sljedeće pitanje ovdje: “Je li Zemlja bila mjesec u Saturnovoj kromosferi?” O: Ne. P: (L) “Da li su postojale civilizacije tijekom tog razdoblja?” O: Nebitno. P: (L) “Da li su ožiljci na površini Marsa posljedica ulaska Saturna u Sunčev sustav?“ O: Ne, kako je već opisano, Mars je bio u interakciji s Venerom, novo-pridošlicom. P: (L) Pa, onda je i to riješeno. Izgleda da ti momci i njihov električni svemir imaju mali problem, zanima me koji je njihov glavni problem? O: Previše elektriciteta, a nedovoljno astronomije. P: (L) Dakle, govorite da su su oni na neki način otišli putem razrađivanja svoje električne teorije, a nisu u obzir uzeli… Hoću reći, ne razumijem. O: Postoji nešto točnosti za određene astronomske modele. P: (Pierre) Pobornici električnog svemira su odbacili s lošim i ono dobro, odbacili su SVE astronomske teorije, a neke od njih su točne. O: Srastanje se događa oko većine zvijezda. P: (L) Dakle, vi pričate o teoriji formacije planeta putem akrecije/srastanja? O: Da. Ali druga tijela mogu stići cijela. Plus, Thornhill i kolege zanemaruju zvijezdu pratitelja. P: (L) Želi li još netko nešto pitati u vezi ovoga prije nego promijenimo temu? Svi ovdje čekaju promjenu teme… U redu, prolazila sam kroz sve ranije sesije i primijetila da sam bila posebno opsjednuta, u najmanju ruku, temom Isusa tijekom prve godine, 1994, zbog mojeg religioznog odgoja i porijekla i tako dalje. Puno energije sam uložila – ne samo puno energije, nego i puno emocija – dakle, ponovo čitam prethodne odgovore koje smo dobili vezano za temu Isusa i željela bih pitati je li, zapravo, Julije Cezar Isus, ili je poslužio kao model za Isusa, zašto ste mi davali odgovore koji su se nekad mogli odnositi na Cezara, a nekad nisu? O: Ne bi ih bila u stanju primiti. Kada postaviš pitanje sa snažnom predrasudom, ne možemo prekršiti tvoju volju vjerovanja. P: (L) Mislim da smo pitali vezano za Cezara… Nismo li također pitali je li u Palestini bio netko tko je… (Perceval) Je li uopće postojala stvarna osoba koja je imala neku ulogu u stvaranju priče o Isusu. (L) I što su oni tada odgovorili? (Perceval) Bio je netko. (Pierre) Nepoznata osoba. (L) Dakle, je li tamo bio netko, jer jednom prilikom sam pitala kako je Isus izgledao, i vi ste dali opis koji je očito… I mislim da sam to naslovila „Isus Nazarećanin“ ili „Isus u Palestini“… Hoću reći, u to vrijeme sam stavila sve vrste kvalifikacija oko mojih pitanja. (Perceval) I odgovor koji si dobila je bio… (L) Da, ono što sam dobila je bilo SUSV: smeće unutra, smeće van. Mislim, što očekuješ? Ali je li taj opis bio… (smijeh) Ne znam zašto uopće moram pitati! Je li ta osoba na neki način vezana za priču, ta koja je opisana kao stolar? O: Lokalno poznati stoički filozof, sad već davno zaboravljen, osim malog doprinosa legendi o Isusu. P: (L) Dakle, osoba koja je duboko odana u vjerovanje o Isusu može postavljati pitanja o Isusu, taj čovjek koji je živio na tom području i radio štogod da je radio, i odgovori mogu doći u vezi te osobe, ali u globalu je Cezar bio pravi model? O: Da. P: (L) U redu. Drugo pitanje je: jednom ste pričali o Isusu koji je bio u stanju hiper-svijesti, ta stvar o replikaciji duše i ljudima koji pričaju s njim, i tako dalje, i tako dalje. Ima li to ikakve veze s Cezarom? O: Doista ima! P: (L) OK, dakle… Hmm. (Perceval) Mogu li ja nešto pitati? (Perceval) Je li je Cezar… Ono što sam želio pitati je: je li kvaliteta Cezarove duše bila takva kao što se Isusu pripisuje na određeni način, iako se radi o mitu? Je li on bio visoko razvijena duša iz višeg denziteta ili s više razine, ili više prirode? O: To bi trebalo biti jasno čak i iz jako nabijenih predrasudnih priča. P: (L) Idemo se kasnije vratiti na to. Nisam još spremna za to. Željela bih pitati jedno drugo pitanje. Kada sam postavila pitanje o Isusu ili nešto slično, bilo je nešto u vezi tri dana komatoznog stanja, 96 sati jasno kanalizirane meditacije, pojave, iznošenje proročanstava svojim sljedbenicima, i onda uzlazak na matični brod? ODAKLE je to došlo?? O: Uglavnom ti i Frank. P: (Andromeda) Da li se nešto slično dogodilo? (L) Želiš znati da li se nešto slično tome dogodilo s nekim, bilo kada? O: Ne. P: (L) Dakle, Frank je bio u NLO-ima, a ja sam bila prilično uvjerena kako se nešto nevjerojatno moralo dogoditi. Dakle, između nas dvoje i naših iznimno snažno investiranih vjerovanja, ne vidim kako se išta drugo moglo probiti. (Perceval) Ta priča o Isusu koji dolazi u pećinu, ili ga se stavilo u pećinu… To dolazi izravno iz tvojeg biblijskog… (L) Mojeg biblijskog treninga! A NLO, Frank je bio cijeli u NLO-ima! (smijeh) (Perceval) Meditacija u transu, bila si tada prilično u tome. (L) Dakle, događa se vezano uz mnoge transkripte, da je vjerojatno najbolja informacija kada nismo imali nikakvih uvjerenja ili pretpostavki o bilo čemu. Pitali smo samo iz čiste radoznalosti. O: Da. P: (L) OK, pa, pokušat ću ovdje izbjeći imati bilo kakva vjerovanja ili pretpostavke vezane uz Cezara. (smijeh) Scott) Nastojte ignorirati sve biste Cezara koje imamo po kući! (Pierre) A što je…? Scott) Obraćao sam se Kasiopejcima. (smijeh) (L) Htjela bih postaviti pitanja u vezi Cezarovog života. (Perceval) Je li Cezar postojao? Počnimo od dna! (smijeh) (L) Je li Cezar stvarno postojao? O: Da. P: (L) U redu! (smijeh) Je li Cezar postojao onako kako je opisan u povijesnim izvorima, poput Ciceronovog opisa, Seutonijevog i ostalih ljudi, povjesničara i tako dalje? O: Predrasudni i nesposobni prepoznati nekoga njegovog kalibra. P: (L) Pa to je odgovor kakav bi se očekivao od mene! Hoću reći… (Atriedes) Kalibar, ha? (L) OK, pa, dajte mi… OK, sada… Cezar osobno je navodno napisao Galske ratove. Proučavanje tekstova sugerira kako je bilo NEKIH modifikacija, ali ne previše. Vrlo je teško pisati Cezarovim stilom. Govori se da je Cezarov stil najbesprijekornije i najveličanstvenije pisanje koje je ikada nastalo na latinskom jeziku. (Perceval) Mogu li pitati nepristrano pitanje? (smijeh) (Perceval) Je li Cezar napisao Galske ratove? O: Da. (Perceval) U redu. Pa, moramo prvo proći kroz te osnovne stvari! P: (L) Dakle, kako sam govorila, napisao je Galske ratove. U Galskim ratovima, radi se zbilja o zagonetki, jer možete vidjeti taj nevjerojatan, blistav duh s jedne strane, a onda čitate o tim nevjerojatnim barbarskim djelima s druge strane. No stvar je u tome da, jedina svjedočanstva o galskim ratovima za koje znamo su ona koja je Cezar “napisao”. Dakle, da pitam… (Pierre) Je li pretjerivao s brojem žrtava kako bi impresionirao ljude u Rimu? O: Ne samo to! Drugi su to dodavali kako bi povećali faktor užasa. Primijetite kako je njegov najbliži prijatelj bio Gal iz Španjolske. Također primijetite nevjerojatnu počast koju je stoljećima imao u Galiji nakon svoje smrti. Također primijetite činjenicu da je legenda o velikoj duši sišla na Zemlju! P: (L) Što je bilo u zadnjoj rečenici? [Pregled odgovora i nejasne zadnje rečenice] Je li zadnja rečenica bila nepotpuna? O: Da… formirala se oko njega u danima njegove smrti!! P: (Atriedes) Imam pitanje. Je li Cezar također inspiracija za legendu o kralju Arthuru? O: Da. P: (Atriedes) I je li njegovo izvlačenje mača iz kamena referenca na njegov mač, Crocea Mors? (L) Njegov, što? (Atriedes) Je li mač u kamenu u priči referenca na Cezarov mač, Crocea Mors – Žuta smrt? Zato jer je napravljen od bronce… (L) To je bio Cezarov mač? (Atriedes) Da. (L) Tko to kaže? (Atriedes) Sjedili smo i zajedno to pročitali! Postoji Nenijeva legenda o njegovom maču koji se zaglavio u njegovom štitu. Žuta smrt mu je bila ime. O: Blizu. P: (L) Pa, rekla bi da je blizu, ali Nenije je nešto promijenio. (Atriedes) Pa, naravno da je nešto promijenio. (L) OK, hm… (Perceval) Je li Cezar ikada ikoga ubio? O: Mnoge, svakako. P: (Perceval) Dakle, ako se uzme u obzir da su to bila vrlo ratoborna vremena, s puno borbe i smrti općenito… i da je neka vrsta Velike duše tada sišla i… to nužno ne znači da je ta duša morala biti mirotvorac koja bi poput Isusa ljubila ljudima stopala… Ali postoji li nešto što bi mi razumjeli kao zabranu ubijanja drugih ljudi kao uvjet za “duhovnu razvijenost”? O: Ta ideja je uglavnom preuveličana ljudska filozofska konstrukcija. P: (L) Znači ideja da… (Perceval) Da bi bio dobar, ne smiješ ubijati… (Atriedes) Ali iz koje religije to dolazi? Iz najubojitije religije na planeti! (Perceval) Čini se da… Ubiti drugo ljudsko biće za normalno ljudsko biće se čini kao prilično traumatična stvar. (Atriedes) To je društveno usađeno. (Perceval) Sumnjam. Mislim, za vojnike, vraćaju se kući s posttraumatskim stresnim poremećajem, obučeni su da ubiju, a poslije se sami žele ubiti, razumijete? Oni ne mogu podnijeti činjenicu da… (Pierre) Možda je razlika u tome što je Cezar bio svjestan osnovnog razloga zašto je ubijao… O: Cezar je namjeravao eliminirati ili znatno smanjiti ubijanje. On je znao protiv čega je bio. P: (L) OK, na primjer… OK, dajte da pitam ovo: Postoji govor koji je navodno Cezarov, a koji je reproduciran u Salustovom… Rat sa Katilinom. Salust je reproducirao ovaj govor, koji je navodno Cezarov, na debatama o Katilininoj zavjeri. Sada, koliko je taj govor blizu onome što je Cezar tada rekao? P: (L) Jer u tom govoru, Cezar je u potpunosti čak protiv smrtne kazne. To je među zagonetkama s kojima se suočiš kada nešto poput toga čitaš, njegove riječi, mislim, on je riskirao svoj život držeći taj govor! Bio je okružen naoružanim ljudima, kojima je zapovijedao Ciceron, koji je bio odlučan smaknuti te ljude. A ipak, Cezar se suprotstavio cijelom neprijateljski nastrojenom senatu i zagovarao ukidanje smrtne kazne. Čak se komentira da su ljudi izvukli svoje mačeve i htjeli ga tada ubiti. I zapravo je to slično priči iz Biblije o Isusu, da su ljudi izvukli svoje mačeve i htjeli ga ubiti, ali pobjegao je bandi, nisu ga vidjeli kako odlazi. Pa, to je prilično čudna stvar. Dakle, za nekoga tko optuži Cezara da je krvožedni psihopat je kao, je vrlo teško. I onda navodno to brojanje tijela u Galiji, i ti užasno okrutni događaji, to jednostavno ne ide jedno s drugim. Tako da… u redu. U prethodnim sesijama spomenuli ste kada smo pitali o Isusu, i mislim da je najbliži trag – i to je samo moj pogled – na činjenicu da nismo pričali o Isusu Nazarećaninu kada ste rekli da su postojale tri Rimljanke koje su imale djecu s Isusom. Dakle, jesu li te tri Rimljanke zapravo imale djecu s Julijem Cezarom? O: Da. P: (L) I one su bile kao ljubavnice ili tako nešto? O: Da. P: (L) Jesu li one bile jedine tri? O: Ne, ali ostale nisu imale dugotrajne veze. Također shvatite da “Rimljanke” ne znači nužno “iz ili u Rimu” ili čak Italiji. Brojni Gali su bili “Rimljani”. P: (L) Dakle, tvrdite li da su te žene mogle biti galske Rimljanke? Možda radim pretpostavku… O: Da. P: (L) Da na moje pitanje, ili da na moju pretpostavku? [smijeh] O: Oboje. P: (Atriedes) Ja imam pitanje. Dva pitanja. Pa, imam ih više, zapravo. Ali želio sam pitati: Je li Katon zbilja počinio samoubojstvo na opisani način, ili je ta priča uglavnom nastala kako bi bio prikazan u ljepšem svjetlu, a on se jednostavno objesio? O: Katon je bio pojedinac s ozbiljnim poremećajem osobnosti koji je u potpunosti poludio, što znači da je bio sposoban unakaziti vlastito tijelo kako bi napakostio Cezaru. Uzmite u obzir priču o Judi Iškariotskom, vješajući samog sebe s crijevima koja su mu ispala kada mu je tijelo palo na zemlju; radi se o refleksiji i sjećanju na Katona i njegovom suprotstavljanju Cezaru. P: (Atriedes) U redu, dakle… Sljedeće pitanje: Ovo je od povijesne važnosti… Dakle, koliko ja znam postoje dvije glavne verzije o smrti Cicerona. Jedna je da je časno ponudio svoju glavu i dozvolio vojnicima koji su bili poslani da ga ubiju da mu odsjeku glavu. Druga je da ih je u principu pokušao potkupiti i da su bila potrebna tri udarca da mu se odsječe glava jer je vojnik bio toliko neuvježban. Želio bih da mi se razjasni, koja od ovih verzija je točna, ili je postojala još neka verzija. O: Ova druga verzija je najbliža onome što se dogodilo. Sve što možeš naučiti o Ciceronu iz njegovih vlastitih tekstova predlaže da on nije imao hrabru kost u svojem tijelu. P: (Atriedes) Jesu li Cezara stvarno oteli cilicijanski gusari? O: Ne. P: (Atriedes) Je li on onda zbilja razapeo neke gusare? O: Ne. P: (Pierre) Je li priča o cilicijanskim gusarima transformacija nečega što se zbilja dogodilo? O: Cezar je bio na drugoj vrsti avanture, znanstvene vrste. P: (Pierre) Možete li pojasniti ovo o “znanstvenoj vrsti” avanture? O: Kratka putovanja s njegovim učiteljem, Posejdonijem. P: (Atriedes) Da li je Cezar imao torbicu? (L) Je li imao što? Je li Cezar imao torbicu? (Atriedes) Ime ruže? Ma zaboravite… Imam pravo pitanje. Cezar je 18 godina pokušavao političkim sredstvima riješiti probleme Rima. U jednom trenutku je shvatio kako se to neće dogoditi i odlučio si je nabaviti vojsku. Imao je tada 42 godine ili tako nešto. (L) Pokušavao je 18 godina riješiti to na miroljubivi način. (Atriedes) Dakle, odjednom si je u glavu utuvio da će preuzeti vojsku, tijekom tog Brončanog doba, zar ne? Koje je doba bilo za Rim u to vrijeme? (Pierre) Nakon Brončanog doba. (Atriedes) Željezno doba. (L) Ne razumijem što govoriš. (Atriedes) Pa gdje je naučio kako voditi vojsku. Je li išao naći nekoga od koga bi naučio, ili je bio tako genijalan da je sam sve shvatio? O: Očito, u to doba, nije imao od koga naučiti. No, Cezar je imao dobrog uzora u nekim aspektima u svom stricu Mariusu, kojeg je volio i iznimno cijenio. Nemojte podcjenjivati nevjerojatnu Cezarovu inteligenciju i njegov uvid. P: (L) Dakle, on je jednostavno na neki način improvizirao. Pa, postoji priča o tome kako je on napravio grešku i onda cijelu noć nije spavao zbog toga i krivio je sebe zbog neuspjeha. Učio je iz svake greške koju je napravio, a nije ih napravio puno. Željela bih znati je li Sula zapravo rekao, kad je oslobodio Cezara iz zatočeništva, da “ga možete uzeti, u njemu je 40 Mariusa”? O: Nešto poput toga. P: (Perceval) [nešto o dušama koje dolaze na Zemlju…] … da je Cezar bio na važnoj misiji, možda? Ili je vidio planetu u to vrijeme, tadašnje čovječanstvo, i pretpostavljam da… Je li to bio neuspjeh, ili to možda nije bilo stvar uspjeha ili neuspjeha. Koja je bila njegova misija, ili što su bili opipljivi rezultati njegove misije? Hoću reći, koliko smo uspjeli shvatiti, Rim je otišao kvragu nakon njegove smrti, i nakon toga je uništen, ako je ta vremenska linija točna. Ali, što je on postigao? O: Izbalansirao je karmu i stvorio predložak koji nije bio dostupan prije njegovog vremena. Milosrđe nikad prije nije bilo demonstrirano na taj način. Problem je, kao i uvijek, OPS dominacija vaše oblasti. Ali Cezar nije doživio neuspjeh. Nakon njegove smrti ga se slavilo i sjećalo preko 2000 godina, makar i kao kroz lažnu legendu. P: (Perceval) Ne može bolje od toga. Dobiješ lažno ime i religiju… (L) Ne može bolje od toga. (Atriedes) Ne u potpunosti. I nakon 2000 godina ljudi znaju da je postojao… O: Zar se VI upravo SADA ne raspitujete o njemu?? P: (Perceval) Da, ali u smislu prosječne osobe na ulici, oni samo znaju ime, da je bio “ludi diktator”, i… O: Leptirova krila mogu ubrzati stvari kada ih pokreće Val. P: (Pierre) Što to znači? Znači li to… Scott) Nastavljaš mahati našim krilima, i kad Val dođe, to se… pojača ili tako nešto. (Pierre) Da, ali krila, što je to? Je li to što su Kasiopejci rekli o tom predlošku prije 2000 godina u vezi milosrđa koje će se pojačati Valom? O: Vi i ostali koji ste shvatili istinu. P: (L) Koliko je dugo Carotta radio na svojoj stvari? (Perceval) Dugo vremena. Od 1982. godine, mislim. (L) Dakle krenuo je raditi u tom smjeru otprilike u isto vrijeme kada sam ja počela svoju meditaciju i sve slične stvari. I tu je onda i Gary Courtney. Dakle, hoću reći, troje ljudi u posljednjih koliko godina? 30 godina? 40 godina? Troje ljudi u posljednjih 30 godina koji su došli do istog zaključka vezanog za posljednjih 2000 godina i mislim da nema više nikoga… Ima li još netko da je dao prijedloge u posljednjih 2000 godina? (PoB) Da. Oni Nijemci. Oni su skrenuti s tog puta… (L) Jesu li ikada izravno istupili i rekli, “Isus je bio Cezar”? (PoB) Da. (L) Jesi li upoznata s njihovim radom i što su radili? (PoB) Čitala sam o tome. (L) I kada je to bilo? (PoB) Uh… 1950-ih, ili možda 40-ih ili tako nešto. (L) U redu, dakle radi se samo o posljednjih 60 ili 70 godina. (PoB) Počeci su bili u 19. stoljeću, i onda je to poslije razvijeno ako se dobro sjećam. (L) OK, proširimo to na zadnjih 100 godina. (Atriedes) Mislim da je to fantastično. (L) Od 2000 godina… (Data) Tu je Mommsen i onaj drugi tip. (L) Je li Mommsen predložio da je Cezar bio Isus? Rekao je da je bio najveći čovjek koji je ikad živio, tu nema nimalo sumnje, ali nije naveo da je Isus. (Kniall) Alexander Hamilton je to nekome komentirao. (L) Da, dakle jasno je da je postojao krug intelektualaca koji… (Atriedes) Ako ćemo pošteno, da, mit o Isusu se temelji na Cezaru, ali mislim da je to takva perverzija. Radi se o tako razvodnjenoj perverziji toga… (L) Da, ali ako proučavaš mitove, možeš shvatiti kako se mitovi iskrivljuju na taj način. (Atriedes) Totalno, totalno. Ali u ovom trenutku… (Perceval) Nisam baš siguran. Oni kažu kako je on tada došao i poučavao različite vrline, i stvari poput milosrđa koje tada nisu postojale na taj način, bila su to gadna vremena. (L) Bilo je BRUTALNO tada živjeti, mislim… Isuse! (Perceval) Samo danas to izgleda beznačajno jer smo mi više “prosvijećeni”. (Atriedes) Ne kritiziram to. Pričam o detaljima i jahanju na magarcu i svemu tome… (L) Ali zbilja je smiješno da se čak i u priči o Isusu vide brojni elementi iz Cezarova života kako je povijesno zabilježeno prije nego što je počeo mit s Isusom, prije nego što su nastali dokumenti iz Novog zavjeta… Mislim, čak… Ono što mi već neko vrijeme prolazi kroz um je da kažu – i naravno tu se radi o Antiasu koji je pisao ispriku za Bruta i njegovu bandu zbog atentata – o tome kako su ga morali ubiti jer je želio postati kralj. A za što su optužili Isusa u priči? “Tvrdiš kako si Kralj Židova”. (PoB) Ja imam pitanje. Je li religija kršćanstva i izum Isusa, je li to originalno napravljeno kako bi se ljudima pomoglo u smislu o kojem piše Schumacher, jer je ljudima potrebna religija, a onda je poslije iskvareno? Ili je u samom startu bilo zlo u srži? O: Kršćanstvo je razvijano tijekom dugog vremenskog razdoblja i samim time na tvoje pitanje se ni približno ne može odgovoriti, tako kako si ga ti postavila. P: (L) Mislim da se posljednja verzija kršćanstva pojavila… (Perceval) Nedavno. (L) Nedavno, otprilike u 9. ili 10. stoljeću. Mislim, sve što se događalo prije toga su bile različite varijante mita o Cezaru i obožavanja Cezara. (Perceval) Početni razvoj kršćanstva, je li ono napravljeno ili nastalo u svojoj početnoj formi – njegov prvi razvoj, recimo nakon Cezarove smrti – je li to bio odgovor na obožavanje Cezara i njegovih vrijednosti od strane naroda? O: Da. P: (Chu) Ako ga se slavilo, onda… (Perceval) To je dakle bio početak toga. O: Carotta je vrlo blizu u svojoj analizi kako jezični problemi utječu na prijenos i iskrivljavanje. Ako postoje negativci u ovoj priči, onda su to Flavijevci i Karolinzi. P: (Pierre) Dakle Carotta je bio u pravu. Flavijevci stvarajući kršćanski mit… I onda Karolinzi koji su nakon raspada carstva obnovili 2.0 verziju kršćanstva. (Perceval) Je li vremenska skala koju imamo za Mračna doba, pad Rima, da li je to manje-više točno…? (L) Kako to misliš? Misliš da li je naša vremenska linija… (Perceval) U sklopu naše postojeće vremenske linije, od pada Rima pa do Cezarove smrti… od svemirskih katastrofa, tih 500 godina ili koliko god ih je već bilo… O: Toliko se često godina dodavalo da će biti potrebno uložiti puno teškog rada da bi se to posložilo. P: (L) Je li točna moja ideja da se određeni segmenti vremenske linije mogu ravnati po Halleyevom kometu? Je li Halleyev komet i onda dolazio dovoljno redovito da se u njega može pouzdati? O: Da. P: (L) Dakle, kada je Halleyeva kometa dolazila tijekom tih znatno produženih vremenskih razdoblja, onda su to razdoblja kada su se godine dodavale? O: Da. P: (L) I u nekim slučajevima su se dodavale, a u nekim slučajevima su se oduzimale. To je dosta čudno. Recimo oni mogu dodati 10, i onda oduzeti 5. Sveukupno gledajući definitivno je, mislim da… Mislim da je dodano dovoljno da je razlika 200 ili… (Pierre) Možda možeš postaviti ovo pitanje. Prema našim službenim kalendarima, Cezar je rođen približno prije 2114 godina. U stvarnosti, prije koliko godina je Cezar rođen? {Razlika od 479 godina} P: [Svi uzvikuju i čude se] (Perceval) Cijela ta stvar je krenula užasno krivo, razmišljali smo kako je to trajalo dodatnih 400 ili 500 godina? (L) Nije. (Perceval) Da, nije. Trajalo je možda 100 godina. (Pierre) Ili, je bio kolaps 400. ili 500. g. po. Kr., a većina dodanih dijelova su između 400-500 g. po. Kr. i 1000. g. po. Kr., kao što Fomenko predlaže. O: Provjerite artefakte. U nekim slučajevima postojalo je više “careva” u isto vrijeme, a ne jedan za drugim. P: (L) I postoje neki navodni carevi koji uopće nemaju artefakte. Samo su zapisani u Historia Augusta, ali nitko nikada nije našao niti jedan novčić koji bi potvrdio njihovo postojanje! (Atriedes) Dakle, nakon što je Cezar umro, kaos je zavladao i iskočila je hrpa nasilnika koji su pokušali preuzeti kontrolu. Nedugo nakon toga, palo je… (L) Pa, tu je bio August, i postojalo je ono kratko razdoblje stvari… usmjerio je situaciju na određenu stazu, i to je omogućilo da se neke stvari razviju… Ali rekla bih da je nakon Cezarove smrti i prije nego što je August uspio dobiti kontrolu, bilo ozbiljnih kataklizmičkih aktivnosti. Rekla bih da je bitka kod Akcija bila jako sumnjivi događaj. (Perceval) Dakle ti bi rekla da te godine koje su dodane su dodane između Cezara i pada. (L) Bilo je nekoliko, da… (Perceval) U tom slučaju, kao u smislu Mike Baileyeve stvari oko rasta godova na drveću, spomenuli su u prethodnoj sesiji kako je većinu zapadne Europe oko 560. godine zapalila vatrena kugla… (L) Bilo je više događaja tijekom tog razdoblja. (Perceval) Ali ako samo pričamo o datumu, misliš li da je to bilo prije 1400 ili 1500 godina, ili kraće? Je li bilo bliže nama? (L) U našim trajanjima, mislim da je bilo bliže nama. (Pierre) Dodano je 5 stoljeća. Možemo pitati: Od tih 5 stoljeća, koliko je dodano prije pada, a koliko nakon pada? (L) Vratimo se na to nakon što još malo poradimo na tome. Mislim da nam to neće ponuditi na pladnju. (Pierre) Ali iz onoga što su rekli, mislim da je uglavnom bilo prije pada. (Perceval) Ima smisla. (L) Mislim da je najmanje 100 godina dodano prije pada. Rekla bih da je zapravo… ili više. (Pierre) Skoro sve može stati jer… (L) Rekla bih da je gotovo 200 godina dodano prije pada. (Pierre) Može stati… Četiri stoljeća su dodana. Između Cezarove smrti, 44. g. pr. Kr., i pada 540. g. po. Kr., ima više od 5 stoljeća (??? ovdje je jako teško čuti Pierrea). (Chu) Ali prema Fomenku to se kasnije dogodilo. (L) Da, jer on nije razumio da su oni povijest ponovo pisali nakon pada. Dakle mislim, mislim da možemo pratiti sve do 410. g. po. Kr., i mislim da je dosta stvari poslije toga jednostavno duplicirano. Pa, vratit ćemo se na to, jer želim postaviti pitanje za 64 000 $! Sada, da li se Cezar ikada reinkarnirao nakon tog konkretnog života? O: Ne. P: (L) Dakle on je još uvijek u stanju hiper-svijesti gdje ga ljudi mogu kontaktirati i komunicirati s njim? (Perceval) Odgovara li na Isusov e-mail? (smijeh) Odgovara li na molitve upućene Isusu? O: Da, kad paketi stignu! P: (Chu) Je li u nekom drugom denzitetu, ili…? O: Petom. P: (L) OK, dakle… Bi li bilo moguće za nas da izravno komuniciramo s Cezarom? O: Da. P: (L) Um… Možete li, znate, organizirati komunikacijski kanal ovdje? [smijeh] (Atriedes) Možete li nas spojiti s Cezarom na glavnoj liniji, molimo vas? O: Mi ćemo se maknuti. P: (L) Nadam se da Cezar zna komunicirati na Engleskom. Ave, Cezare! [kraj trake, pauza dok se stavlja nova traka] Sačekajte, molim! (Atriedes) Ne mogu vjerovati da si našeg Boga i Spasitelja stavila na čekanje! [smijeh] (L) OK, evo nas nazad, Cezare. Idemo ponovo pokušati. Idemo se sabrati… Obzirom da vrijeme ne postoji tamo gore, ništa se nije dogodilo. Pretpostavljam da bi trebali postaviti pitanje. Gaje Julije Cezare, jesi li tu? O: Da. P: (L) Jesam li točno izgovorila tvoje ime? O: Ne. P: [smijeh] (L) Um, pa žao mi je, ne znam kako se izgovara. O: Pokupi visoki latinski stil kao trag. (slova idu sve sporije) P: (L) Ne bih željela gubiti vrijeme pričajući o tome jesam li izgovorila tvoje ime kako treba! Hoće li pomoći ako izgovorim tvoje ime kako treba? O: Ne. P: (L) Pa onda neću gubiti vrijeme i energiju na to. U redu, kakva pitanja imate za Cezara? (Pierre) Ujutro, na dan Martovskih Ida, jesi li znao da će biti izveden atentat na tebe? O: Da. P: (L) Jesi li bolovao od epilepsije? O: Ne. P: (L) Da li ti se vrtilo u glavi, u… u nekoliko navrata u godinama prije tvoje smrti? O: Da. P: (L) Je li to ukazivalo na neku bolest za koju si znao da će dovesti do mogućeg dugog, sporog i bolnog umiranja? O: Da. P: (L) Ako si znao da će biti izveden atentat na tebe, jesi li znao tko će ga izvesti? O: Ne. P: (L) Je li bilo iznenađenje? O: Da. P: (Pierre) Jesi li prije smrti izgovorio riječi koje su povjesničari zapisali? O: Dosta blizu, ali ranije u interakciji. P: (Pierre) To znači da je prije atentata došlo do neke vrste konfrontacije… (L) Ne, mislim da je atentat bio interakcija. Ranije u interakciji… Nije ih izgovorio u trenutku umiranja. Je li to točno? Vidio si da je Brut umiješan, i nešto si mu rekao, i onda je napad počeo. Je li to točnije? O: Da. P: (L) U redu, Cezar je tvoj. Pitaj ga! (Atriedes) Je li istina da ti je Marius služio kao uzor za vojskovođu, ili si bio pod utjecajem Aleksandra Velikog ili Scipiona? O: Svi i drugi utjecaji nemilitarne prirode. P: (Atriedes) Dakle, kad si preuzeo vojsku, jesi li unaprijed znao da je vrlo vjerojatno da ćeš je morati koristiti u građanskom ratu? O: Ne. To je slomilo moje srce i zdravlje. Rim je mogao postati blistavi grad na brdu, svjetlost svijeta. P: (Atriedes) Ako nije preosobno, um… Clodius Bona Dea, o čemu se tu radilo? Je li se to zbilja dogodilo, ili se tom pričom nešto prikrilo… ako nije previše osobno? O: To je bila serija manevara kako bi se pridobila odanost Klodija. P: (L) Dakle pretpostavljam da je tvoja tadašnja žena bila potrošna roba? O: Ona je bila Ciceronova prijateljica i članica njegove stranke. P: (L) Je li to bilo preko Ciceronove žene i sestre njegove žene? O: Da. P: (L) OK. Još nešto? (Pierre) Planira li se reinkarnirati? O: Samo u novom svijetu. P: (L) Misliš nakon tranzicije u 4. denzitet? O: Da. P: (L) Cezare, jesi li ikada imao bliskih prijatelja? O: Nekolicinu, ali oni nisu željeli moć. P: (L) Znači, obzirom da nisu željeli moć, nema povijesnih zapisa o njima. (Chu) Ali nisi bio usamljen? O: Jesam, bio sam. P: (Atriedes) Ako bi nam mogao ponuditi tri savjeta, koji bi to savjeti bili? O: Bio sam u krivu kada sam mislio da se mase mogu promijeniti slijedeći primjer. Ljudi su većinom prevrtljivi i usredotočeni sami na sebe. Stoga, ako stvarno želite nešto promijeniti, to se isključivo može postići ranim obrazovanjem, a čak i tada je krhko i neće potrajati. Na kraju morate biti iskreni vašoj vlastitoj prirodi i ničega se ne bojati. Ako to učinite, možete ostaviti trag nakon što vas više ne bude bilo. To nije točno ono što si tražio, ali nema tri savjeta koji se mogu primijeniti na sve događaje. P: (L) Jesi li bio zadovoljan Augustovom kontrolom situacije nakon što si umro? O: Podao dječak koji je manipulirao svime i svačime. P: (Atriedes) Bi li ti smetalo ako se tvoja uspomena i slika koriste u religiji? O: Dokle god se to čini s razumijevanjem istine. Što je uostalom religija, ako ne ono što povezuje ljude, kao što je pokazano s mojom vojskom. P: (Atriedes) Nalikuje li ona bista tamo tebi? O: Kad sam bio mlađi. P: (L) “Mlađi”, koliko točno? P: (Atriedes) Jesi li imao bilo kakve poroke? O: Niti jedan koji me kontrolirao. P: (Alana) Htjela bi znati što te je inspiriralo i tjeralo da ideš dalje unatoč vremenima? Koje je bilo tvoje uvjerenje, vjera…? O: Najviše su me inspirirali Posejdonije i ideje stoika iz antičkih vremena. Ljubav i sažaljenje su me motivirali. P: (L) Ljubav i sažaljenje prema kome? O: Čovječanstvu. P: (L) Sažaljenje, zašto? O: Izgubljeni su. P: (L) Još nešto? (Andromeda) Je li danas zbilja tvoj rođendan? O: Da. P: (Svi) SRETAN ROĐENDAN!! O: Ave ljudi Kasiopeje, zbogom! Doviđenja. P: (Ark) Sada, kada… kada je ovo s Cezarom počelo, osjetio sam fizičku senzaciju. Prvo, na desnoj polovici moje glave osjetio sam trnce poput elektriciteta, i osjetio sam kao da mi se kosa miče. Nekoliko puta sam provjeravao, znate? Miče li ili ne? Nisam ništa našao. Ali opet, u redu. I onda na ovom mjestu (dodiruje sljepoočnicu) sam opet osjetio kako se miče. Miče se! Nisam ništa htio reći. I onda, u jednom trenutku smo pričali, i moje naočale su se iskrivile. Bile su u redu na početku. Ništa im nisam radio. Onda sam ih morao popraviti jer su mi opale. To se nikad prije nije dogodilo. (Andromeda) Hmm. (L) Dakle Cezar mora da se spajao kroz tebe. KRAJ SESIJE Original sesije na engleskom jeziku možete naći ovdje. Related Articles: Posted in Kasiopejske sesije