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Over the years people questioned the visionaries of Medjugorje about Our Lady’s appearance, but the most successful inquirer by far was the author, Fr. Janko Bubalo, a Franciscan of the Hercegovinian province. He had followed the events associated with the apparitions from the beginning. For a number of years he heard confessions in Medjugorje and acquired an intimate knowledge of Medjugorje spirituality. One result of his interest is his book A Thousand Encounters with the Blessed Virgin Mary in Medjugorje (1985). It met with worldwide success and received a reward. In this book Vicka, the visionary, in answer to Fr. Bubalo’s questions, gives a detailed account of her encounters with Our Blessed Lady. It is true that Fr. Bubalo had interviews with the other visionaries, but in the end decided to publish only the conversations he had with Vicka, because it seemed to him that she answered his questions in the most comprehensive way. Besides, what the other visionaries had to say did not differ essentially from Vicka’s accounts. Time has passed and attempts at portraying Our Lady have multiplied. Many of those attempts have been contrary to what the visionaries have said. Janko, although up in years (born 1913), made another attempt. He sent a survey sheet to the visionaries in which he interrogates them about Our Lady's appearance. Most of the visionaries responded to Fr. Janko's attempt (Ivan Dragievi, Vicka Ivankovi, Marija Pavlovi Lunetti, Ivanka Ivankovi Elez, and Mirjana Dragievi Soldo). They testified to the survey number of their own answers by personal signatures at Humac in 1992. Jakov Olo did not fill out his survey sheet for justifiable reasons, but he agrees with what the others visionaries said and had nothing special to add. We now present the questions in full and the results of the visionaries' brief answers. As the first thing, tell me: how tall is the Madonna, that you regularly see? About 165 cm - Like me (Vicka ) 5 feet 5 inches] Does she look rather "slender", slim or… She looks rather slender. About how many kilograms do you think she weighs? About 60 kilograms (132 pounds). About how old do you think she is? From 18 to 20 years old. When she is with the Child Jesus does she look older? She looks as usual - she looks the same. When Our Lady is with you is she always standing or... Always standing. On what is she standing? On some little cloud. What color is that little cloud? The cloud is a whitish color. Have you ever seen her kneel? Never! (Vicka, Ivan, Ivanka ) Naturally your Madonna also has her own face. How does it look: round or rather long - oval? It's rather long - oval - normal. What color is her face? Normal - rather light - rosy checks What color is her brow? Normal - mainly like her face. What kind of lips does Our Lady have - rather thick or thin? Normal - beautiful - they are more thin. What color are they'? Reddish - natural color. Does Our Lady have any dimples, as we people usually have? Ordinarily she doesn't - perhaps a little, if she smiles (Mirjana). Is there some pleasant smile ordinarily noticeable on her countenance? Maybe - more like some indescribable gentleness - there's a smile visible as if somehow under her skin (Vicka). What is the color of Our Lady's eyes? Her eyes are wonderful! Clearly blue (all). Are they rather big or ? More normal - maybe a little bit bigger (Marija). How are her eye-lashes? Delicate - normal. What color are her eye-lashes? Normal - no special color. Are they thinner or ? Ordinary - normal. Of course, Our Lady also has a nose. What is it like: sharp or ? A nice, little nose (Mirjana) - normal, harmonizing with her face (Marija). And Our Lady's eyebrows? Her eyebrows are thin - normal - more of a black color. How is your Madonna dressed? She is clothed in a simple woman's dress. What color is her dress? Her dress is grey - maybe a little bluish-grey(Mirjana). Is the dress pulled in around the body or does it fall freely. It falls freely. How far down does her dress reach? All the way down to the little cloud on which she's standing - it blends into the cloud. How far up around the neck? Normally - up to the beginning of her neck. Is a part of Our Lady's neck visible? Her neck is visible, but nothing of her bosom How far do her sleeves reach'? Up to her palms Is Our Lady's dress hemmed with anything? not with anything. Is there anything pulled in or tied around Our Lady's waist? No, there's nothing. On the body of the Madonna that you see, is her femininity noticeable? Of course it's noticeable! But nothing specially (Vicka). Is there anything else on Our Lady besides this dress described? She has a veil on her head. What color is that veil? The veil is a white color. Pure white or ? Pure white. How much of her does the veil cover? It covers her head, shoulders and complete body from the back and from the sides. How far down does it reach? It reaches down to the little cloud, also like her dress. How far does it cover in front? It covers from the back and from the sides. Does the veil look firmer, thicker than Our Lady's dress? No it doesn't - it's similar to the dress. Is there any kind of jewelry on her? There is no kind of jewelry. Is it trimmed with anything at the ends? Not with anything. (her veil) Does Our Lady, have any kind of ornament at all? She has no kind. For example, on her head or around the head? Yes - she has a crown of stars on her head. Are there always stars around her head? Ordinarily there are - there always are (Vicka). For example, when she appears with Jesus? She's the same way. How many stars are there? There are twelve of them. What color are they? Golden - gold color Are they in any way connected with each other? They are connected with something - so that they can stay up (Vicka) Is a little bit of Our Lady's hair visible? A little bit of her hair is visible. Where do you see it? A little above her forehead - from under the veil - from the left side. What color is it? It’s black. Is either of Our Lady's ears ever visible'? No, they are never visible. How is that? Well, the veil covers her ears. What is Our Lady usually looking at during the apparition? Usually she is looking at us - sometimes at something else, at what she's showing. How does Our Lady hold her hands about her? Her hands are free, relaxed extended. When does she hold her hands folded? Almost never - maybe sometimes at the "Glory be." Does she ever move, gesture with her hands during the apparitions She does not gesture, except when she shows something. Which way are her palms turned when her hands are extended? Her palms are usually relaxed upwards - her fingers are relaxed the same way. Are her fingernails then also visible? They are partially visible. How are they - which color are they? Natural color - clean cut fingernails. Have you ever seen Our Lady's legs? No - never - her dress always covers them. Finally, is Our Lady really beautiful, as you have said? Well, really we haven't told you anything about that - her beauty cannot be described - it is not our kind of beauty - that is something ethereal -something heavenly - something that we'll only see in Paradise - and then only to a certain degree.
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Podroban opis lika Kraljice Mira, kako se ukazuje u Međugorju Mnogi su i na razne načine ispitivali vidioce o Gospinu izgledu, kao i općenito o onome što se događa u župi Međugorje. Najviše je u tome uspio fra Janko Bubalo, član Hercegovačke franjevačke provincije i književnik. Pratio je međugorska ukazanja od početka. Godinama je dolazio u Međugorje ispovijedati i tako stjecao iskustva o međugorskoj duhovnosti. Kao vidljivi ishod takvoga rada bila je njegova knjiga "Tisuću susreta s Gospom u Međugorju" (1985). Doživjela je svjetski uspjeh i bila nagrađena. U knjizi o svojim iskustvima govori vidjelica Vicka. No, uz ovaj razgovor fra Janko je razgovarao o istim stvarima i s drugim vidiocima. Na kraju je objavio samo razgovor s Vickom jer mu se činilo da je ona najsveobuhvatnije odgovorila na njegova pitanja. Svi ostali vidioci ni u čemu se bitnom nisu razlikovali od nje. O Gospinu liku, kako je posvjedočio, više je puta razgovarao sa svim vidiocima i ništa nije objavio što oni nisu odobrili. Vrijeme je protjecalo, množili su se pokušaji prikazivanja Gospina lika. Mnogi od tih pokušaja bili su oprečni onome što su vidioci govorili. Zato fra Janko, iako već u godinama (r. 1913.), pristupa drugom pokušaju. Svim vidiocima upućuje anketni listić u kojemu ih ispituje o Gospinu liku. Većina vidjelaca se odazvala fra Jankovu pokušaju (Ivan Dragićević, Vicka Ivanković, Marija Pavlović, Ivanka Ivanković i Mirjana Dragićević). Zbir svojih odgovora posvjedočili su svojim potpisima na Humcu, 23 srpnja 1992. Jakov Čolo nije ispunio ovaj anketni listić iz opravdanih razloga, ali se složio s onim što su drugi vidioci rekli i nije ima ništa posebno za nadodati. Donosimo sada cijela pitanja i ishod kratkih odgovora vidjelaca. Kao prvo, recite mi: koliko bi Gospa, koju vi obično vidite, mogla biti visoka? Oko 165 cm. - Ovako kao ja (Vicka). Izgleda li više "šlank", vitka ili...? Izgleda više vitka. Koliko bi joj se moglo dati kilograma? Oko 60 kilograma. Koliko bi joj se moglo dati godina? Od 18 do 20 godina. Kad je s Djetetom Isusom, izgleda li starija? Izgleda obično - jednako izgleda. Kad je Gospa s vama, stoji li uvijek ili... Uvijek stoji! Na čemu stoji? Na nekom oblačiću. Kakve je boje taj oblačak? Oblačak je bjelkaste boje. Jeste li je ikada vidjeli da kleči? Nikada! (Vicka, Ivan, Ivanka...) Naravno da vaša Gospa ima i svoje lice. Kakvo je ono: okruglasto ili više duguljasto - ovalno? Više je duguljasto - ovalno - normalno. Kakve je boje njezino lice? Normalno - više je bijelo - rumenkasto na jagodicama. Kakve je boje njezino čelo? Normalno - uglavnom bijelo kao i lice. Kakve su Gospine usnice - deblje ili tanje? Normalne - lijepe - više su tanje. Kakve su boje? Rumenkaste - naravne boje. Ima li Gospa neke rupice na licu, kao što ih obično mi ljudi imamo? Redovito nema - možda malo, ako se smije. (Mirjana) Primjećuje li se obično neki blagi smiješak na njezinu licu? Možda - više kao neka neopisiva blagost - smiješak se vidi kao nekako ispod kože. (Vicka) Kakve su boje Gospine oči? Oči su divne! Izrazito plave boje. Krupnije ili...? Normalne - možda malo krupnije. (Marija) Kakve su joj trepavice? Nježne - normalne. Kakve su boje njezine trepavice? Normalne - nisu posebne boje. Tanje ili... Obične - normalne. Naravno da Gospa ima i nos. Kakav je on: oštar ili...? Lijep, mali nosić (Mirjana) - normalan, harmoničan s licem. (Marija) A Gospine obrve? Obrve su tanušne - normalne - više crne boje. Kako je obučena vaša Gospa? Obučena je u jednostavnu žensku haljinu. Kakve je boje njezina haljina? Haljina je sive boje - možda malo plavkasto-sive boje. (Mirjana) 26.Je li haljina zategnuta oko tijela ili slobodno pada? Slobodno pada. Dokle joj haljina dopire prema dolje? Dolje do oblačića na kojemu stoji - gubi se u oblaku. Dokle oko vrata? Normalno - do početka vrata. Vidi li se dio Gospina vrata? Vidi se vrat, ali se ne vidi ništa od prsiju. Dokle dopire rukavima? Do šaka. Je li Gospina haljina ičim obrubljena? Nije ničim. Je li Gospa ičim u struku utegnuta - opasana? Nije ničim. Na Gospinu tijelu, koje vi vidite, opaža li se ženskost njezina tijela? Naravno da opaža! Ali ništa posebno. (Vicka) Ima li na Gospi još išta osim ove opisane haljine? Ima veo na glavi. Koje je boje taj veo? Veo je bijele boje. Potpuno bijel ili...? Potpuno bijel. Što joj veo pokriva? Pokriva joj glavu, ramena i cijelo tijelo s leđa i sa strana. Dokle on prema dolje dopire? Dopire dolje do oblačića, kao i haljina. Dokle je sprijeda pokriva? Pokriva je s leđa i sa strana. Izgleda li veo čvršći, deblji nego Gospina haljina? Ne izgleda - sličan je haljini. Ima li na njemu ikakva nakita? Nema nikakva nakita. Je li on ičim obrubljen po krajevima? Nije ničim. Ima li Gospa uopće ikakva nakita? Nema nikakva. Na primjer, na glavi ili oko glave? Da - ima na glavi krunu od zvijezda. Ima li uvijek zvijezde oko glave? Redovito ima - ima uvijek. (Vicka) Na primjer: kada se ukaže s Isusom? Isto tako. Koliko ima zvijezda? Ima ih dvanaest. Kakve su boje? Zlatne - zlatkaste boje. Jesu li i kako su povezane međusobno? Nečim su povezane - kako bi stajale. (Vicka) Vidi li se imalo Gospine kose? Vidi joj se malo kose. Gdje se vidi? Malo iznad čela - ispod vela - s lijeve strane. Kakve je boje? Crne boje. Vidi li se u Gospe ikada ijedno uho? Ne - ne vidi nikada. Kako to? Ma, uši joj pokriva veo. U što Gospa obično gleda za vrijeme ukazanja? Obično gleda u nas - nekada u nešto drugo, ono što pokazuje. Kako Gospa pritom drži svoje ruke? Ruke su slobodne, opušteno raširene. Kada drži sklopljene ruke? Gotovo nikada - možda nekada na "Slavaocu". Miče li, gestikulira rukama za vrijeme ukazanja? Ne gestikulira, osim ako što pokazuje. Kud su joj kod raširenih ruku okrenuti dlanovi? Dlanovi su joj redovito opušteni prema gore - prsti su isto opušteni. Vide li joj se tada i nokti? Vide djelomično. Kakvi su - koje su boje? Naravne boje - čisti snježni nokti. Jeste li ikada vidjeli Gospine noge? Ne - nikada - njih uvijek pokriva haljina. Na kraju, je li Gospa stvarno lijepa, kako ste govorili? Ma, ustvari mi ti nismo ništa o tomu kazali - njezina se ljepota ne da opisati - to nije ova naša ljepota - to je nešto rajsko - nešto nebesko - nešto što ćemo tek u raju vidjeti - i to samo donekle.