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C: So it's because of the money we make war? L.: Yes, sir! You and everyone else. It is able to steal in public positions that you live arming trouble. You can do whatever you want, but the people's money, that's in there, no one puts a hand! C: And you? What will you do? L.: Do you still ask? Now we, women, do we manage public money. C.: You will manage the Treasury? L.: What's weird about it? Not us who manage the assets of you in our homes? C.: But is not the same thing! L.: As it is not the same thing? C.: Public money are for war. L.: But to begin with it is not absolutely necessary to have wars. Now shall we, the women, who take care of the safety of you. C: But you have no right to do that! L.: But we have a duty to save it, my friend. C: But, where did you get that idea to meddle with war and peace? L.: In the beginning of the war, we, with the moderation own women, suffer all of you men (like you did nonsense!), Because you would not let us open the mouth. And you did not do anything to please us. We who knew you well, sometimes when we became aware of clumsy resolutions on important issues, our husbands would ask: "What did the Assembly decided today about peace?" "What do you have it?" Said my husband. "Shut up!" And I was silent. CLEONICE: Ah! But I do not shut up! L.: You took resolutions idiots and we could not even give advice. C: But how do you succeed with this disorder all that's there? L.: How do we do when we're embroidering. If the line entangles is because there is a node and then undo the knot. Similarly, we call that node undo and other war. First, we would use a hard line. Then it's so many people wanting to occupy public office which is as if to put a lot of lines while the eye of a needle only. That will not happen again! One needle enters the thin line. Line thicken wishing does not enter! But for each major efforts will have to cooperate with your line up and form a strong rope, work the goodwill of all, domestic and foreign. Moreover, with many lines can make fabrics to wear all the people! Do not you believe that I can give good advice to the city? Crime is not born a woman, and sex does not prevent me from having the best ideas that are out there. I can give the country other good things besides the children who have already given! And you? Do not give anything! (Adapted from Aristophanes (410 BC) 1996, pp. 37-51.). DEBATE Discuss with your colleagues about the arguments defended in these two dialogues.
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C: Dakle, to je zbog novca smo se zarati? L.: Da, gospodine! Ti i svi ostali. To je u mogućnosti da kradu na javnim mjestima kako živite naoružavanjem problema. To možete učiniti što god želite, ali Tuđi novac, to je tamo, nitko ne stavlja ruku! C: A ti? Što ćete učiniti? L.: Da li još uvijek pitati? Sada smo, žene, ne uspijevamo javni novac. C.: Vi će upravljati riznice? L.: Što je čudno o tome? Nije nas koji upravlja imovinom od vas u našim domovima? C.: Ali nije ista stvar! L.: Kao da nije ista stvar? C.: Javni novac se za rat. L.: No, za početak to nije apsolutno neophodno imati ratove. Sada ćemo mi, žene, koji se brinu o sigurnosti vama. C: Ali vi nemate pravo to učiniti! L.: Ali imamo dužnost da ga spasi, moj prijatelj. C: Ali, odakle ti ideja da se miješati u ratu i miru? L.: U početku rata, mi, uz moderiranje vlastite žene, pate svi ti ljudi (kao što si učinio glupost!), Jer se ne bi neka nam otvoriti usta. I da nije učinio ništa kako bi nam molim te. Mi koji vas je dobro znao, ponekad kad smo postali svjesni nespretnih rješenja o važnim pitanjima, naši muževi bi pitati: "Što je skupština odlučila je danas o miru?" "Što to ima?" Rekao je moj muž. "Umukni!" I sam je šutio. CLEONICE: Ah! Ali ja ne šuti! L.: Uzeli ste Rezolucije idioti i nismo ni mogli dati savjet. C: Ali kako ste uspjeli s ovim poremećajem sve što je tamo? L.: Kako nam je činiti kada smo vezenje. Ako su resorna entangles je zato što je čvor, a zatim poništite čvor. Isto tako, pozivamo da se čvor poništiti i drugi rat. Prvo, mi bi koristiti tvrdu liniju. Onda je toliko ljudi žele zauzeti javnu dužnost koja je, kao da mu puno linije dok ušicu igle samo. To se neće ponoviti! Jedna igla ulazi u tanku liniju. Line zgusnuti žele ne ulazi! No, za svaki velikih napora će morati surađivati s linije gore i formiraju jake uže, rade dobru volju svih, domaćih i stranih. Štoviše, s mnogo linija može napraviti tkanine nositi sve ljude! Zar ne vjeruju da mogu dati dobar savjet u grad? Zločin se ne rađa ženu, i seks ne me spriječiti da najbolje ideje koje su vani. Ja mogu dati zemlji druge dobre stvari, osim djece koja su već dao! A ti? Nemojte davati ništa! (preuzeto iz Aristofan (410 BC) 1996, str 37-51.). DEBATA Razgovarajte sa svojim kolegama o argumentima branio u ove dvije dijalozima.