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Majst0r Cruise Ship Veteran Registered Offline Country: Croatia Company: Private Hire Agency: Private Occupation: ETO at Private M/Y, ex IT Specialist, ex Automation Engineer Ship: Private 70m M/Y Posts: 576 First of all, I want to greet the employees of the recruiting agency “Uspinjača Posao d.o.o.” who are reading this. You know who you are. I was yesterday for the first time in the agency. Here it is on the list of legal entities: mmpi.hr I went there to get the Certificate of Employment, which we all need for the visa application. During the ‘handover’ of the document I learned that their ‘services’ costs €200, for which I can not get receipt, but I need to give cash as the biggest sucker. I said that I signed the statement and sent to the employer stating that I should not pay the mediator. “It has nothing to do with this.”, was inspired response for fools. When I said that it is illegal under Art. 14 and 15 of the Rules of mediation in maritime employment and I want a bill that says “fee for mediation in employment” if they want me to pay. They said that I’ll get neither the bill nor the invoice and that I don’t really have to pay, but they insinuated that it would be better if I pay and accompany the words, “If you understand what I mean.” I do not understand, explain to me in writing, please (and sign it). Their attempt to extort money from me was accompanied by gems like: “We are not a broker, we are agency, and thus rules do not apply to us” (brilliant interpretation of the law – probably because of such excellent legal minds they had already been relieved of license for work) or “We did you a favor (which they are well paid for by the employer) and we expect you to (illegally) pay us, and we will not issue a receipt. The next day, an attempt to communicate with self-proclaimed “manager” has also miserably failed. The man who has never studied logic, should not try to use it as a tool in negotiations, but avoid it in every possible way, as it is noticeable. Who find this interesting should read this article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy “Every bill that we issue to you, You are legally obliged to pay!” (I was offered a bill with some items on it that had nothing to do with mediation, and the statement was incorrect also) “I’m doing this for 20 years,” “You think you are bigger than us?” (perhaps he meant the genitals? I do not know what kind of measures and criteria he referred to), “You just hold on to your principles” (principles? Gentleman probably meant to say “law” – which I, as a citizen of the Republic of Croatia do hold on to, and urge all who read this to do the same, and do not knowingly participate in illegal acts of tax evasion, among others). “You write on the Internet whatever you want” – I will. Well, dear readers. That’s how things are in Croatia. My advice to everyone is: do not pay them anything, they are paid by your employer, plus, it is illegal. If they want to charge you with something off their ‘price list’, tell them to first publish that list on their website. As long as you pay them in cash without a receipt, they will continue to do it, because police can do nothing without evidence. Source text: Uspinjača Posao d.o.o. Were you extorted or blackmailed in order to get your Letter of Employment? Recruiting agency / Cruise Line Hiring Partner tried or succeeded in taking money from you? Let us know in your comments.
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Ponajprije, želim pozdraviti zaposlenike poduzeća Uspinjača Posao d.o.o. koji ovo čitaju. Znate tko ste. Moram se pohvaliti da sam jučer prvi put bio u agenciji. Evo je i na popisu: mmpi.hr-popis pravnih osoba Naime, došao sam po Certificate of Employment koji mi treba za aplikaciju za vizu. Prilikom 'primopredaje' dokumenta saznao sam da njihova 'usluga' košta 200€, a za koju ne mogu dobiti račun već trebam dati gotovinu kao najveća naivčina. Rekao sam da sam potpisao izjavu i poslao poslodavcu u kojoj stoji da ne smijem ništa platiti posredniku. "Nema to veze s ovim.", bio je nadahnuti odgovor za budale. Kad sam rekao da je to protuzakonito po čl. 14. i 15. Pravilnika o posredovanju pri zapošljavanju pomoraca i da hoću račun na kojem piše "Naknada za posredovanje u zapošljavanju" ako misle da im platim. Rekli su da niti račun niti potvrdu niti uplatnicu neću dobiti te da ja to zapravo ne moram platiti, ali su insinuirali da bi bilo bolje da ja to platim te popratili riječima "Ako razumijete što želim reći." - ne razumijem, objasnite mi pismeno, molim Vas (i potpišite). Argumentirano sa draguljima poput: "Mi nismo posrednik, mi smo agencija pa se taj pravilnik ne odnosi na nas" (briljantno tumačenje zakona - najvjerovatnije zbog takvih vrsnih pravnih umova im je već i bila oduzeta dopusnica za rad) ili "Mi smo Vama učinili uslugu (koju će im itekako dobro platiti poslodavac) pa od Vas očekujemo i da nam to (protuzakonito) i platite, a mi Vam nećemo izdati račun." Sljedeći dan, pokušaj sporazumijevanja sa smozvanim "managerom" je također neslavno završio. Čovjek koji nikad nije studirao niti proučavao logiku, ne treba ju pokušavati koristiti kao alat u pregovaranju, već izbjegavati na svaki mogući način jer se primjeti. Kome je to zanimljivo neka pročita ovaj članak na wikipediji: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy "Svaki račun koji Vam ja izdam Vi ste po zakonu dužni platiti!" (ponuđen mi je račun sa nekakvim stavkama koje ne bi imale veze sa posredovanjem, a ni izjava nije točna), "Ja ovo radim 20 godina", "Vi mislite da ste Vi veći od nas" (možda je mislio na genitalije? stvarno ne znam o kakvoj mjeri i kriterijima se radi), "samo se Vi držite Vaših principa" (principa? gospodin je najvjerovatnije htio reći "Zakona" - kojih se ja kao građanin RH i držim i pozivam sve koji ovo čitaju da se i oni njih drže i ne sudjeluju svjesno u protuzakonitim radnjama utaje poreza, između ostalog). "Pišite Vi po Internetu što god želite" - hoću. Eto, dragi čitatelji. Tako to izgleda u RH. Moj savjet svima je: ne plaćajte im ništa, plaćaju im to vaši poslodavci, a i protuzakonito je. Ako vam hoće naplatiti nešto po 'cjeniku', recite im da cjenik prvo objave na internet stranice. Ako im je to malo, neka traže drugi posao i prouče izraz "poslovni rizik". Dok im god budete plaćali gotovinom bez računa do tad će to i raditi jer naše službe tu ne mogu ništa bez nekih dokaza. Mirno more.