<p>Madoka only had 1 wish, to erase all witches no matter where they are. 1 and 2 are the extent of the wish, 3 is her reason for her wish, 4 is her determination and 5 is just her telling the Incubator to grant her wish.</p>

<p>in the new universe, witches still exists, they will always exists so long as there are magical Girls, however thanks to the Law of Cycles Madoka will arrive and save the Magical Girl before they transform so on the outside it looks like they don't exists and all that happens is the Magical Girl is claimed by the Law of Cycles.</p>

<p>As for your comment about the Magical Girls not smiling:</p>

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  <p>as we later clearly see that magical girls are not constantly smiling</p>
</blockquote>

<p>this is because they know they'll become witches but after Madoka assures them they won't, that she'll stop it before it happens, they begin to smile.</p>

<hr>

<p>With Homura, she didn't become a witch when the Incubators first kidnapped her. Her Soul Gem was progressing to that point and the Incubators would have observed and theorized at what point the Law of Cycles will occur and thanks to Homura explaining the original system, know there's a stage after this. They created the Isolation Field that blocks out all external influence.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Kyubey places Homura's Soul Gem in an Isolation Field - a space that blocks out all external influence, including the Law of Cycles. However, the Isolation Field prevents Homura from being born as a witch, meaning that Madoka's wish is not invalidated. (Although not directly stated, it's implied that by creating a space where the Law of Cycles cannot enter, Kyubey blocks Madoka's omniscience.) Ultimately, a witch barrier forms inside Homura's Soul Gem. Kyubey allows the barrier to draw in victims, including Mami, Kyoko, and Madoka's family. Kyubey believes that this will eventually cause the Law of Cycles to materialize in the barrier. Kyubey's goal is to observe the Law of Cycles, which would ultimately allow him to interfere with and control it. </p>
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<p>Source - <a href="http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Madoka_Kaname#Madoka_in_The_Rebellion_Story" rel="nofollow">Madoka Kaname - Madoka in The Rebellion Story</a></p>

<p>Now remember the Incubators are incredibly advanced and through Homura they are aware of the existence of the Law of Cycles but just don't understand it, just like how they don't understand how Magical Girls exist in the first place (yet can still create them).</p>

<p>Now when Homura transforms into Homulily the Law of Cycles (Madoka) has already been trapped in the Isolation Field but the Incubators are unable to do anything in terms of manipulating Madoka as she gave up her memories and powers to Sayaka and Nagisa. For the time Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa were in Homura's Labyrinth, the law of Cycles was missing from the universe.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>However, Madoka is aware of Kyubey's plan. She enters Homura's barrier with Sayaka and Nagisa Momoe (the magical girl who became Charlotte) ... Madoka entrusts them with her memories and powers in order to fool Kyubey, and allows Homura's barrier to alter her memories and suppress her powers.</p>
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<p>and it's only after the field is destroyed does the Law of Cycles return and Madoka descends down to claim Homura.</p>

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<p>Now for Homura splitting Madoka, after being released from the Isolation Field Madoka is still in her human form (though she looks like her goddess form). This is demonstrated by the fact Mami and Kyoko can see her when in the past when Sayaka was claimed by the Madoka, Mami only assumed she was taken and they didn't even know about her. This is most likely due to the fact she is still just recovering her original form, having given up all her powers to Nagisa and Sayaka. In this form Homura could interfere with the Law of Cycles and stop her from purifying her soul gem which now fills with something else.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>As she comes down to take Homura's Soul Gem into the Law of Cycles, Homura grabs Madoka's hands before her Soul Gem can be purified. Homura's Soul Gem turns black, and then fills with a new color. (It's unclear if this color was something that had already existed in Homura's Soul Gem, or if it is the result of Homura grabbing Madoka and interfering with the Law of Cycles). Homura's actions causes reality to crack. Madoka is then separated from Ultimate Madoka (it is unclear if Homura deliberately caused this, or if it is the result of Homura's interference). The colors inside Homura's Soul Gem explode outward. The cracks perpetuate throughout reality, followed by the colors of Homura's Soul Gem, which engulfs the universe. </p>
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<p>Homura then ascends to becomes a new goddess/demon and rewrites the universe with new laws to facilitate her existence and how own control over the universe (as we see where she can suppress Sayaka's powers and memories), particularity allowing Madoka's existence as a person before she became the Law of Cycles. It's not made clear how the Law of Cycles is working now but we can assume it's fundamentally broken as Sayaka asks Homura if she is planning on destroying the universe. We know that if Madoka remembers who she is she'll return to be the Law of Cycles (which Homura actively tries to stop) but regardless Homura is not a witch so even if the Law of Cycles was working she would be immune.</p>

<p>Now I should point out that we don't know the full extent of Homura's actions as one of the things Homura did was force the Incubators to manage all the curses. We can not be sure if they have the opportunity or were even able to create new magical girls. Since witches come from Magical Girls, if the Incubators can not make any more then there's no more witches thus leading the Law of Cycles to no longer be needed.</p>

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While this is definitely the best explanation I've heard on the matter (hence +1), the problem is the part where you say that "the Law of Cycles was missing from the universe". How exactly is this possible? Noone, not even Madoka herself, has the power to prevent the wish from taking effect - as I pointed out, even her doing it with her own hands is no longer a choice she can make. The only way the events were possible was if, when Madoka enters the barrier, Homura is not yet a witch, and noone (including Homura) becomes a witch at a later point - yet we clearly see that Homulily is one later.
Callid
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@Callid I think your believing Madoka has no will of her own, that she is just a mindless cog now which can only purify soul gems, this isn't the case since she chose to have Sayaka and Nagisa by her side, she chose to give up her powers to them (thus technically no longer making her the Law of Cycles), she chose to enter the isolation field rather than ignore Homura who had no risk of becoming a witch outside the field, she went to the isolation field to save Homura first, the purification of her soul gem was second to her.
Memor-X
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(Cont.) if it was as you said and not even Madoka can stop herself then she wouldn't have been able to strip away her powers as she did. As for Homura being a witch she was in a grey zone, she wasn't a witch when the labyrinth first created and Madoka first entered and she only truly becomes a witch when she curses her own existence when the Incubators reveal their plan and how Homura has helped them which at this point Madoka is now powerless are trapped in the field and what happened to Homura in her soul gem was isolated just in there
Memor-X
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(Cont.) when everyone escapes Homura is back to being a magical girl but is at the point where Madoka will purify her soul gem. Is there anything else I need to explain or still confuses you?
Memor-X
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I don't think she is "a mindless cog" - she can do anything she wants, in fact, *as long as it doesn't interfere with the things she has set down in her wish*. So, she can give away her memories, enter barriers, and so on, as long as that doesn't prevent the "erasure" of a witch. How exactly this works out here isn't clear - either she should have been unable to give up her memories, or, when Homura does become a witch, she would have gotten them back, or acted involuntarily (or, if we allow that the inside of her soul gem is not part of any universe, something else could have prevented it).
Callid
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If this means that, as you said, she should have been unable to strip away her powers, then my question becomes: How could she strip away her powers? As I pointed out, the phrasing of her wish is "will", not "can" - she has wished herself (and everything else) to be unable to interfere, and so even if she wants to, she cannot; she is bound by her own wish. If she had wanted to be able to make a choice, she would have needed to phrase her wish differently (e.g. "I want to *be able to* erase..."), which she - wisely, IMO - didn't (this would also have foiled QB's plan; *nothing* can interfere).
Callid
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It's even pointed out in the anime that it is involuntarily - "It means you *must* fight without pause throughout all timelines, past and future, for eternity. (...) Death would be a kinder fate. You'll be firmly implanted in this universe as a concept - a principle that destroys witches." - i.e., Madoka **becomes** the Law of the Circle. The anime even seems to imply willlessness, but seeing as the wish does not place any limitations on her, I see no reason why she, provided she has the time, can't do other things as well. It's just that the Law comes first.
Callid
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@Callid actually I don't recall at any point in Madoka's wish about preventing herself or anything else from interfering, she just wished to erase witches before they are born. Point 4 of you question, as I said in my answer, is just her expressing her determination to carry out her desire, her wish is just "to erase all witches before they are born" and like every other magical girl her powers are based off her wish.
Memor-X
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The thing is, she phrases her wish in an absolute way. If there was a witch (any single witch, anywhere) that was not erased before being born, her wish would not have been granted (completely). Hence, all witches ***must*** be erased before they are born, as her wish *was* granted. Therefore, nothing can (successfully) interfere with the erasure of witches, as preventing any single witch from being erased would mean her wish was not granted. Hence, even she herself cannot interfere - if she was able to successfully not erase a witch, it would mean her wish would not have come true.
Callid
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@Callid remember that not every witch was erased *before they were born*, the cause of the paradox which forced the universe to be recreated with Madoka as the Law of Cycles was Madoka destroying herself in her witch from which was born (Homura despairs seeing it before Madoka comes and assures that if her wish was granted even her own witch can be destroyed no matter how power it is).
Memor-X
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(Cont.) ofcause that was in the old universe, in the recreated universes we aren't too sure what other laws may have been created along with Madoka and Homura ascension (while it is understandable how Homura remember's Madoka how does Madoka's little bother remember her when no one else is able to), i can not find any official statements from the writers and while a squeal could give light into Homura's universe and Madoka's current state i kinda don't want to see one given Gen Urobuchi's track record and Homura and Madoka can live happily together (in my opinion)
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Memor-X
<p>It seems to me that, no matter how you look at it, the events of the Rebellion movie are impossible due to Madoka's wish. Her wish-speech can roughly be split into five distinct parts (significant differences between Meguca's and Doki's translation marked):</p>

<ol>
<li>I want to [erase/eliminate] all witches before they are [even] born.</li>
<li>[I will erase] every single witch in every universe, past and future, with my own hands.</li>
<li>(I don't care what you call it. All those magical girls who held onto their hopes and fought against witches - I don't want [to see them cry / them to cry]. I want them to remain smiling until the end.)</li>
<li>I will destroy any rule [or law] that stands in my way; I will rewrite them all. This is my [desire/prayer], my wish.</li>
<li>(Now, grant me this, Incubator!)</li>
</ol>

<p>The pars in brackets are most likely not part of the actual wish, as we later clearly see that magical girls are not constantly smiling, not to mention that that would be a very weird wish to make for Madoka. So, only #1, #2 and #4 are the actual wish.</p>

<hr>

<p>Now, in Rebellion, Kyubee apparently manages to create a barrier that shuts out Madoka and causes Homura to turn into a witch in her own world / soul gem. However, this contradicts the wish, as Madoka does not allow for any exceptions to be made. Even if we were to argue that a barrier is not a rule, and hence not subject to #5 (even though the fact that Madoka is barred from entering would be a rule), #1 has no limits whatsoever, and should prevent Homura from turning into a witch. Possibly, we can grant that this may happen not through Madoka's own hands (as we might say that Homura's world is not part of any universe and hence #2 does not apply), but turning into a witch is still impossible - her wish isn't "I want to eliminate all witches <em>outside of barriers</em> before their are born", after all.</p>

<p>Furthermore, Homura "splitting" Madoka into Madoka and the Law of the Circle is another such impossibility. #2 says that Madoka - and not the Law of the Circle - will (not can, <em>will</em> - she herself has no choice in the matter anymore) do it with her own hands (provided it happens within a universe). In fact, you might argue that, after the split, the Law will <em>not</em> do it, as it was Madoka, the human, who made the wish, and so, if Madoka, the goddess, and Madoka, the human, are no longer the same entity, it's the latter who has to do it (whether she lacks the power or memory to do so is once again irrelevant - the universe would be changed so she can do it anyway).</p>

<p>Effectively, the problem is the universal definition of her wish - it has no limitations, and several universal quantifiers, and hence can not really be circumvented.</p>

<p>There are even further issues, but they depend on how exactly you interpret the terms "rule" and "universe".</p>

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How come the events of Rebellion are possible, with Madoka's wish?
# How come the events of Rebellion are possible, with Madoka's wish?
Posted by: username_0 on 2014-12-23
It seems to me that, no matter how you look at it, the events of the Rebellion movie are impossible due to Madoka's wish. Her wish-speech can roughly be split into five distinct parts (significant differences between Meguca's and Doki's translation marked):

1. I want to [erase/eliminate] all witches before they are [even] born.
2. [I will erase] every single witch in every universe, past and future, with my own hands.
3. (I don't care what you call it. All those magical girls who held onto their hopes and fought against witches - I don't want [to see them cry / them to cry]. I want them to remain smiling until the end.)
4. I will destroy any rule [or law] that stands in my way; I will rewrite them all. This is my [desire/prayer], my wish.
5. (Now, grant me this, Incubator!)

The pars in brackets are most likely not part of the actual wish, as we later clearly see that magical girls are not constantly smiling, not to mention that that would be a very weird wish to make for Madoka. So, only #1, #2 and #4 are the actual wish.

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Now, in Rebellion, Kyubee apparently manages to create a barrier that shuts out Madoka and causes Homura to turn into a witch in her own world / soul gem. However, this contradicts the wish, as Madoka does not allow for any exceptions to be made. Even if we were to argue that a barrier is not a rule, and hence not subject to #5 (even though the fact that Madoka is barred from entering would be a rule), #1 has no limits whatsoever, and should prevent Homura from turning into a witch. Possibly, we can grant that this may happen not through Madoka's own hands (as we might say that Homura's world is not part of any universe and hence #2 does not apply), but turning into a witch is still impossible - her wish isn't "I want to eliminate all witches *outside of barriers* before their are born", after all.

Furthermore, Homura "splitting" Madoka into Madoka and the Law of the Circle is another such impossibility. #2 says that Madoka - and not the Law of the Circle - will (not can, *will* - she herself has no choice in the matter anymore) do it with her own hands (provided it happens within a universe). In fact, you might argue that, after the split, the Law will *not* do it, as it was Madoka, the human, who made the wish, and so, if Madoka, the goddess, and Madoka, the human, are no longer the same entity, it's the latter who has to do it (whether she lacks the power or memory to do so is once again irrelevant - the universe would be changed so she can do it anyway).

Effectively, the problem is the universal definition of her wish - it has no limitations, and several universal quantifiers, and hence can not really be circumvented.

There are even further issues, but they depend on how exactly you interpret the terms "rule" and "universe".
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### Answer by username_1 on 2014-12-24. Score: 5
Madoka only had 1 wish, to erase all witches no matter where they are. 1 and 2 are the extent of the wish, 3 is her reason for her wish, 4 is her determination and 5 is just her telling the Incubator to grant her wish.

in the new universe, witches still exists, they will always exists so long as there are magical Girls, however thanks to the Law of Cycles Madoka will arrive and save the Magical Girl before they transform so on the outside it looks like they don't exists and all that happens is the Magical Girl is claimed by the Law of Cycles.

As for your comment about the Magical Girls not smiling:

> as we later clearly see that magical girls are not constantly smiling

this is because they know they'll become witches but after Madoka assures them they won't, that she'll stop it before it happens, they begin to smile.

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With Homura, she didn't become a witch when the Incubators first kidnapped her. Her Soul Gem was progressing to that point and the Incubators would have observed and theorized at what point the Law of Cycles will occur and thanks to Homura explaining the original system, know there's a stage after this. They created the Isolation Field that blocks out all external influence.

> Kyubey places Homura's Soul Gem in an Isolation Field - a space that blocks out all external influence, including the Law of Cycles. However, the Isolation Field prevents Homura from being born as a witch, meaning that Madoka's wish is not invalidated. (Although not directly stated, it's implied that by creating a space where the Law of Cycles cannot enter, Kyubey blocks Madoka's omniscience.) Ultimately, a witch barrier forms inside Homura's Soul Gem. Kyubey allows the barrier to draw in victims, including Mami, Kyoko, and Madoka's family. Kyubey believes that this will eventually cause the Law of Cycles to materialize in the barrier. Kyubey's goal is to observe the Law of Cycles, which would ultimately allow him to interfere with and control it.

Source - [Madoka Kaname - Madoka in The Rebellion Story](http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Madoka_Kaname#Madoka_in_The_Rebellion_Story)

Now remember the Incubators are incredibly advanced and through Homura they are aware of the existence of the Law of Cycles but just don't understand it, just like how they don't understand how Magical Girls exist in the first place (yet can still create them).

Now when Homura transforms into Homulily the Law of Cycles (Madoka) has already been trapped in the Isolation Field but the Incubators are unable to do anything in terms of manipulating Madoka as she gave up her memories and powers to Sayaka and Nagisa. For the time Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa were in Homura's Labyrinth, the law of Cycles was missing from the universe.

> However, Madoka is aware of Kyubey's plan. She enters Homura's barrier with Sayaka and Nagisa Momoe (the magical girl who became Charlotte) ... Madoka entrusts them with her memories and powers in order to fool Kyubey, and allows Homura's barrier to alter her memories and suppress her powers.

and it's only after the field is destroyed does the Law of Cycles return and Madoka descends down to claim Homura.

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Now for Homura splitting Madoka, after being released from the Isolation Field Madoka is still in her human form (though she looks like her goddess form). This is demonstrated by the fact Mami and Kyoko can see her when in the past when Sayaka was claimed by the Madoka, Mami only assumed she was taken and they didn't even know about her. This is most likely due to the fact she is still just recovering her original form, having given up all her powers to Nagisa and Sayaka. In this form Homura could interfere with the Law of Cycles and stop her from purifying her soul gem which now fills with something else.

> As she comes down to take Homura's Soul Gem into the Law of Cycles, Homura grabs Madoka's hands before her Soul Gem can be purified. Homura's Soul Gem turns black, and then fills with a new color. (It's unclear if this color was something that had already existed in Homura's Soul Gem, or if it is the result of Homura grabbing Madoka and interfering with the Law of Cycles). Homura's actions causes reality to crack. Madoka is then separated from Ultimate Madoka (it is unclear if Homura deliberately caused this, or if it is the result of Homura's interference). The colors inside Homura's Soul Gem explode outward. The cracks perpetuate throughout reality, followed by the colors of Homura's Soul Gem, which engulfs the universe.

Homura then ascends to becomes a new goddess/demon and rewrites the universe with new laws to facilitate her existence and how own control over the universe (as we see where she can suppress Sayaka's powers and memories), particularity allowing Madoka's existence as a person before she became the Law of Cycles. It's not made clear how the Law of Cycles is working now but we can assume it's fundamentally broken as Sayaka asks Homura if she is planning on destroying the universe. We know that if Madoka remembers who she is she'll return to be the Law of Cycles (which Homura actively tries to stop) but regardless Homura is not a witch so even if the Law of Cycles was working she would be immune.

Now I should point out that we don't know the full extent of Homura's actions as one of the things Homura did was force the Incubators to manage all the curses. We can not be sure if they have the opportunity or were even able to create new magical girls. Since witches come from Magical Girls, if the Incubators can not make any more then there's no more witches thus leading the Law of Cycles to no longer be needed.
> **Comments:**
> **username_0** (2014-12-24): While this is definitely the best explanation I've heard on the matter (hence +1), the problem is the part where you say that "the Law of Cycles was missing from the universe". How exactly is this possible? Noone, not even Madoka herself, has the power to prevent the wish from taking effect - as I pointed out, even her doing it with her own hands is no longer a choice she can make. The only way the events were possible was if, when Madoka enters the barrier, Homura is not yet a witch, and noone (including Homura) becomes a witch at a later point - yet we clearly see that Homulily is one later.  
> **username_1** (2014-12-24): @Callid I think your believing Madoka has no will of her own, that she is just a mindless cog now which can only purify soul gems, this isn't the case since she chose to have Sayaka and Nagisa by her side, she chose to give up her powers to them (thus technically no longer making her the Law of Cycles), she chose to enter the isolation field rather than ignore Homura who had no risk of becoming a witch outside the field, she went to the isolation field to save Homura first, the purification of her soul gem was second to her.  
> **username_1** (2014-12-24): (Cont.) if it was as you said and not even Madoka can stop herself then she wouldn't have been able to strip away her powers as she did. As for Homura being a witch she was in a grey zone, she wasn't a witch when the labyrinth first created and Madoka first entered and she only truly becomes a witch when she curses her own existence when the Incubators reveal their plan and how Homura has helped them which at this point Madoka is now powerless are trapped in the field and what happened to Homura in her soul gem was isolated just in there  
> **username_1** (2014-12-24): (Cont.) when everyone escapes Homura is back to being a magical girl but is at the point where Madoka will purify her soul gem. Is there anything else I need to explain or still confuses you?  
> **username_0** (2014-12-24): I don't think she is "a mindless cog" - she can do anything she wants, in fact, *as long as it doesn't interfere with the things she has set down in her wish*. So, she can give away her memories, enter barriers, and so on, as long as that doesn't prevent the "erasure" of a witch. How exactly this works out here isn't clear - either she should have been unable to give up her memories, or, when Homura does become a witch, she would have gotten them back, or acted involuntarily (or, if we allow that the inside of her soul gem is not part of any universe, something else could have prevented it).  
> **username_0** (2014-12-24): If this means that, as you said, she should have been unable to strip away her powers, then my question becomes: How could she strip away her powers? As I pointed out, the phrasing of her wish is "will", not "can" - she has wished herself (and everything else) to be unable to interfere, and so even if she wants to, she cannot; she is bound by her own wish. If she had wanted to be able to make a choice, she would have needed to phrase her wish differently (e.g. "I want to *be able to* erase..."), which she - wisely, IMO - didn't (this would also have foiled QB's plan; *nothing* can interfere).  
> **username_0** (2014-12-24): It's even pointed out in the anime that it is involuntarily - "It means you *must* fight without pause throughout all timelines, past and future, for eternity. (...) Death would be a kinder fate. You'll be firmly implanted in this universe as a concept - a principle that destroys witches." - i.e., Madoka **becomes** the Law of the Circle. The anime even seems to imply willlessness, but seeing as the wish does not place any limitations on her, I see no reason why she, provided she has the time, can't do other things as well. It's just that the Law comes first.  
> **username_1** (2014-12-25): @Callid actually I don't recall at any point in Madoka's wish about preventing herself or anything else from interfering, she just wished to erase witches before they are born. Point 4 of you question, as I said in my answer, is just her expressing her determination to carry out her desire, her wish is just "to erase all witches before they are born" and like every other magical girl her powers are based off her wish.  
> **username_0** (2014-12-25): The thing is, she phrases her wish in an absolute way. If there was a witch (any single witch, anywhere) that was not erased before being born, her wish would not have been granted (completely). Hence, all witches ***must*** be erased before they are born, as her wish *was* granted. Therefore, nothing can (successfully) interfere with the erasure of witches, as preventing any single witch from being erased would mean her wish was not granted. Hence, even she herself cannot interfere - if she was able to successfully not erase a witch, it would mean her wish would not have come true.  
> **username_1** (2014-12-28): @Callid remember that not every witch was erased *before they were born*, the cause of the paradox which forced the universe to be recreated with Madoka as the Law of Cycles was Madoka destroying herself in her witch from which was born (Homura despairs seeing it before Madoka comes and assures that if her wish was granted even her own witch can be destroyed no matter how power it is).  
> **username_1** (2014-12-28): (Cont.) ofcause that was in the old universe, in the recreated universes we aren't too sure what other laws may have been created along with Madoka and Homura ascension (while it is understandable how Homura remember's Madoka how does Madoka's little bother remember her when no one else is able to), i can not find any official statements from the writers and while a squeal could give light into Homura's universe and Madoka's current state i kinda don't want to see one given Gen Urobuchi's track record and Homura and Madoka can live happily together (in my opinion)  
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