<p>No, it's just a modified <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salute" rel="nofollow">military salute</a> and the words themselves have no particular meaning or a translation that would make sense.</p>

<p>While a military salute can be used for acknowledgement when receiving orders, it is rather uncommon and makes the person doing so look retarded. Another use of a modified military salute may also be a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_cry" rel="nofollow">battle cry</a>. While there exist historic videos from Germany with masses chanting and doing the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute" rel="nofollow">Nazi salute</a>, flags hanging everywhere and despite fascist songs being sung in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht" rel="nofollow">Wehrmacht</a>, usage of symbols and memes resembling those that the Nazis used (and not being very original) are anything but an accurate take on this topic and rather use of artistic license. Producers often use their artistic license in that kind to demonize the enemy and depict dictatorships or fanatics. </p>

<p>I can't blame them, it still works very well and I found one of my teachers refusing to believe me when I told her that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwabacher" rel="nofollow">Schwabacher</a> typeface was abolished in Germany by the Nazis (thus finally putting an end to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua%E2%80%93Fraktur_dispute" rel="nofollow">Antiqua-Fraktur dispute</a>).</p>

<p>Similar uses of artistic license in Animes:</p>

<ul>
<li>"Sieg Zeon" in the Universal Century setting of the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise from Sunrise</li>
<li>"Gloria Augusta" in Last Exile -Fam the Silver Wing-</li>
<li>[...]</li>
</ul>

<p>So what happend here was that they took some well known phrase and replaced one half with something random to have something new and unique. The Dorssian flag is another example of that.</p>

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LiveWireBT
<p>Its quite easy:</p>

<p>Blitz<code>n</code>Degen
is a short form of
Blitz und/and Degen</p>

<p>bolt and sword (like epee)</p>

<p>It's to make something similar to the nazi "Blut und Ehre" (blood and honour), which is forbidden like the Hitler salute in Germany.</p>

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While "blitz" means "lightning," the word "blitzen" means "to flash."
кяαzєя
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Kyle
<p>The term "Blitzendegen" is used by the Dorssian military frequently (see <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=valhuf2Ct5o">here</a> for an example). It seems to be used as a salute, but it's also used in other context. The term seems to be from German, but its literal meaning in German is "lightning rapier" which doesn't make much sense.</p>

<p>What is the in-universe meaning of "blitzendegen", and when are Dorssian soldiers expected to use it?</p>

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2013-06-24T19:26:03.470Z
As a side note, "[degen](http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degen)" is "épée" in German, not "rapier." Either way it still makes no sense... maybe it's one of those an all-purpose battle cries?
кяαzєя
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@Krazer I'm just going by Google Translate for the meaning, but it could be wrong in this case. I do believe you that Google is mistaken here. As you say, it doesn't particularly make sense either way.
Logan M
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2013-06-25T06:47:38.100Z
well the point is meaningless as épée and rapier are both stab/slash-weapons
Vogel612
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`lightning sword` makes sense, IMO. It might be loosely interpreted as "swift attack".
nhahtdh
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"blitzen degen" sounds about as German as "[schwalbe fliegen](http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Schwalbefliegen)." In the actual language, the grammar just doesn't work, it sounds awkward.
кяαzєя
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What does "Blitzendegen" mean?
# What does "Blitzendegen" mean?
Posted by: username_0 on 2013-06-24
The term "Blitzendegen" is used by the Dorssian military frequently (see [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=valhuf2Ct5o) for an example). It seems to be used as a salute, but it's also used in other context. The term seems to be from German, but its literal meaning in German is "lightning rapier" which doesn't make much sense.

What is the in-universe meaning of "blitzendegen", and when are Dorssian soldiers expected to use it?
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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: As a side note, "[degen](http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degen)" is "épée" in German, not "rapier." Either way it still makes no sense... maybe it's one of those an all-purpose battle cries?  
> **username_0**: @Krazer I'm just going by Google Translate for the meaning, but it could be wrong in this case. I do believe you that Google is mistaken here. As you say, it doesn't particularly make sense either way.  
> **username_2**: well the point is meaningless as épée and rapier are both stab/slash-weapons  
> **username_3**: `lightning sword` makes sense, IMO. It might be loosely interpreted as "swift attack".  
> **username_1**: "blitzen degen" sounds about as German as "[schwalbe fliegen](http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Schwalbefliegen)." In the actual language, the grammar just doesn't work, it sounds awkward.  
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## 2 answers
### Answer by username_4 on 2013-10-23. Score: 2
No, it's just a modified [military salute](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salute) and the words themselves have no particular meaning or a translation that would make sense.

While a military salute can be used for acknowledgement when receiving orders, it is rather uncommon and makes the person doing so look retarded. Another use of a modified military salute may also be a [battle cry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_cry). While there exist historic videos from Germany with masses chanting and doing the [Nazi salute](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute), flags hanging everywhere and despite fascist songs being sung in the [Wehrmacht](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht), usage of symbols and memes resembling those that the Nazis used (and not being very original) are anything but an accurate take on this topic and rather use of artistic license. Producers often use their artistic license in that kind to demonize the enemy and depict dictatorships or fanatics.

I can't blame them, it still works very well and I found one of my teachers refusing to believe me when I told her that the [Schwabacher](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwabacher) typeface was abolished in Germany by the Nazis (thus finally putting an end to the [Antiqua-Fraktur dispute](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua%E2%80%93Fraktur_dispute)).

Similar uses of artistic license in Animes:

* "Sieg Zeon" in the Universal Century setting of the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise from Sunrise
* "Gloria Augusta" in Last Exile -Fam the Silver Wing-
* [...]

So what happend here was that they took some well known phrase and replaced one half with something random to have something new and unique. The Dorssian flag is another example of that.
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### Answer by username_5 on 2014-01-19. Score: 0
Its quite easy:

Blitz`n`Degen
is a short form of
Blitz und/and Degen

bolt and sword (like epee)

It's to make something similar to the nazi "Blut und Ehre" (blood and honour), which is forbidden like the Hitler salute in Germany.
> **Comments:**
> **username_1** (2014-05-08): While "blitz" means "lightning," the word "blitzen" means "to flash."  
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