<p>Maybe because there actually isn't any "bad guy" in this world from the start. Somebody becomes bad because of certain incidents happened to them in the past. Nobody is evil at the time when they are just born in this world.</p>

<p>If you cut the fillers and the battles in the Naruto or Naruto Shippuden, you will see the story of this anime actually is very deep, closely related to our everyday life. It always tries to unify people in some way.</p>

<p>You will surely remember how Nagato ended the chain of hatred, or how Zabuza kept his faith on Naruto. You will see there is no actual "villain" in Naruto. Every "villain" character (Madara, Sasuke, Obito, ...) has a good reason to behave like how they do.
When someone tries to do things the way they want, but couldn't make it, they try to help those who have the same goal like him/her. That's how they become good.</p>

<p>It's actually like how Sossli1 says in one of his videos on YouTube</p>

<p>"Those in need of a shoulder to cry on seek those who experienced it".</p>

CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-12T19:35:37.073Z
Not sure about your source of the last sentence.
nhahtdh
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-13T16:25:00.407Z
It's not that this video tells anything related to this question, but the quote i written is taken from here. here's the video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_7YB9PsP_4
Sayans25
CC BY-SA 4.0
2018-08-30T12:24:09.413Z
totally agree except that danzo was major  evil duck
libathos
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-12T18:37:08.043Z
2014-08-13T18:19:15.830Z
2014-08-13T18:19:15.830Z
Sayans25
<p>Based on what Sakata Gintoki said in Gintama anime, it is the pattern of Shonen Jump manga. See Fairy Tail and Bleach. In Fairy Tail, Gajeel was an enemy, alongside Juvia, but now, they are one of the main members. Same thing in Bleach. Ishida Uryuu was an enemy in the beginning, but then he turned into friend, although now he is posing as an enemy again. But that pretty much is like Vegeta in Dragon Ball, though.</p>

CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-14T18:06:48.837Z
While this is true they usually limit it to a few characters who are supposed to be antiheroes/rivals anyways. In Naruto I would say the equivalent to this would be Neji or Sai.
Quikstryke
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-16T21:57:29.810Z
This. Ever since the original Dragon Ball in the 80s (and maybe even earlier), Shounen Jump manga have been like this. In Dragon Ball, Oolong (the pig man), Tenshinhan, Chao-Tzu, Piccolo, Vegeta, Android 18 (Krillen's wife), and probably many others I'm forgetting are former villains or rivals of Goku.
Torisuda
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-12-06T03:02:41.537Z
@Torisuda With Goku, turning enemies/rivals into friends is sort of his main power.
RichF
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-12-06T04:27:43.907Z
@RichF Didn't Kakashi say that this was Naruto's main power too. IIRC it was his conversation with Chiyo and then later Shikaku with Inoichi.
Arcane
CC BY-SA 4.0
2019-07-20T19:29:40.600Z
Now I'm curious on which episode Gintoki said this in the anime...
Aki Tanaka
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-14T17:50:06.487Z
2014-08-14T17:50:06.487Z
絢瀬絵里
<blockquote>
  <p>"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the
  villain."</p>
</blockquote>

<p>-- Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight</p>

<p>The characters that you describe started out as heroes, then turned to villainy, and then were set straight by Naruto.  <a href="http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-either-die-a-hero-or-you-live-long-enough-to-see-yourself-become-the-villain" rel="nofollow noreferrer">KnowYourMeme</a> does a good job of explaining the background and has links for more reading.</p>

<p>The jist of the phenomenon is that heroes usually become such when they die (posthumously), while the same disregard for the norm will eventually lead someone against normalcy, thus becoming a villain.</p>

<p>This picture uses the quote and Naruto characters to take it full circle:</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/4P4hq.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/4P4hq.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

CC BY-SA 4.0
2018-07-04T13:50:26.927Z
2018-07-04T13:50:26.927Z
YetAnotherRandomUser
<p>It seems to be due to the inherent nature of each being to think and decide the way he wishes to pursue, more like when you are born you are in an equilibrium and when faced by circumstances and the emotional atmosphere around you, you learn from it and draw towards to one of the positive or negative sides.</p>

<p>As we saw in DBZ, Vegeta came to destroy earth and was really persistent but then with the change of a heart decided to safeguard it and called it his home.</p>

CC BY-SA 4.0
2019-07-22T05:36:37.057Z
2019-07-22T05:36:37.057Z
Lalit Mehra
<p>It feels like the common thread is "I'm a major bad guy in Naruto, I lose/die, then I have a change of heart and want to help Naruto once bigger baddy shows up". When does a bad guy remain a bad guy? (e.g. - Zabuza, Gaara, Itachi, Nagato, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sasuke, Obito, and the demon fox who was supposed to be the incarnation of the world's Malice/Hatred). </p>

<p>Even Madara seems poised now for a return as a good guy since there's a bigger threat and he originally had good intentions when he was a kid.  </p>

<p>Is there a reason for this? Why aren't the bad guys more angry that they lost, and join up with new bad guy? Seems like they give up really easily and have no commitment to their goals.</p>

CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-11T21:13:59.710Z
I think it's more of a plot/moral story. Bad guys are just misguided good guys. And Naruto has the power to show them the right path. Naruto didn't invent this concept.
Madara's Ghost
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-11T22:12:28.850Z
If someone dies they can't really have a change of heart now can they?
Memor-X
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-12T00:31:30.790Z
bad guys are just good guys whose story has not been told
Darjeeling
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-12T04:30:30.767Z
Or maybe there are no such things as good guys or bad guys as the world (the real world and the Naruto Universe either) isn't just black and white. I won't consider Orochimaru good just because he supports Sasuke, and I won't consider Madara bad just because he fought some guys who were generally accepted as good.
ytg
CC BY-SA 3.0
2014-08-13T20:41:58.427Z
[This blog post](http://i.imgur.com/2qoefnm.png) from Mangastream may be relevant.
JNat
CC BY-SA 3.0
2015-01-16T07:22:31.073Z
Orochimaru turned good when? He is just helped his test subject because his other(kabuto) made him shocked.Itachi was never bad, Gaara was always like a troubled teen not evil from start. Nagato wants piece, his methods are wrong like tobi and mandara but he want ultimate good.
Ankit Sharma
CC BY-SA 3.0
2015-10-25T22:56:25.850Z
It's a common theme in shonen manga, that villains are reformed after seeing that the main character is right. This is done on purpose to kinda teach the lesson of not being evil.
typell
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-12-06T02:40:56.483Z
But Itachi was never a bad guy...
Anon
CC BY-SA 4.0
2019-07-22T10:27:58.967Z
Naruto's talk-no-jutsu is just that strong.
galacticninja
<naruto>
Why does every major bad guy end up being a good guy later?
# Why does every major bad guy end up being a good guy later?
Posted by: username_0 on 2014-08-11
It feels like the common thread is "I'm a major bad guy in Naruto, I lose/die, then I have a change of heart and want to help Naruto once bigger baddy shows up". When does a bad guy remain a bad guy? (e.g. - Zabuza, Gaara, Itachi, Nagato, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sasuke, Obito, and the demon fox who was supposed to be the incarnation of the world's Malice/Hatred).

Even Madara seems poised now for a return as a good guy since there's a bigger threat and he originally had good intentions when he was a kid.

Is there a reason for this? Why aren't the bad guys more angry that they lost, and join up with new bad guy? Seems like they give up really easily and have no commitment to their goals.
**Tags:** naruto
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I think it's more of a plot/moral story. Bad guys are just misguided good guys. And Naruto has the power to show them the right path. Naruto didn't invent this concept.  
> **username_2**: If someone dies they can't really have a change of heart now can they?  
> **username_3**: bad guys are just good guys whose story has not been told  
> **username_4**: Or maybe there are no such things as good guys or bad guys as the world (the real world and the Naruto Universe either) isn't just black and white. I won't consider Orochimaru good just because he supports Sasuke, and I won't consider Madara bad just because he fought some guys who were generally accepted as good.  
> **username_5**: [This blog post](http://i.imgur.com/2qoefnm.png) from Mangastream may be relevant.  
> **username_6**: Orochimaru turned good when? He is just helped his test subject because his other(kabuto) made him shocked.Itachi was never bad, Gaara was always like a troubled teen not evil from start. Nagato wants piece, his methods are wrong like tobi and mandara but he want ultimate good.  
> **username_7**: It's a common theme in shonen manga, that villains are reformed after seeing that the main character is right. This is done on purpose to kinda teach the lesson of not being evil.  
> **username_8**: But Itachi was never a bad guy...  
> **username_9**: Naruto's talk-no-jutsu is just that strong.  
---
## 4 answers
### Answer by username_10 on 2014-08-12. Score: 13
Maybe because there actually isn't any "bad guy" in this world from the start. Somebody becomes bad because of certain incidents happened to them in the past. Nobody is evil at the time when they are just born in this world.

If you cut the fillers and the battles in the Naruto or Naruto Shippuden, you will see the story of this anime actually is very deep, closely related to our everyday life. It always tries to unify people in some way.

You will surely remember how Nagato ended the chain of hatred, or how Zabuza kept his faith on Naruto. You will see there is no actual "villain" in Naruto. Every "villain" character (Madara, Sasuke, Obito, ...) has a good reason to behave like how they do.
When someone tries to do things the way they want, but couldn't make it, they try to help those who have the same goal like him/her. That's how they become good.

It's actually like how Sossli1 says in one of his videos on YouTube

"Those in need of a shoulder to cry on seek those who experienced it".
> **Comments:**
> **username_11** (2014-08-12): Not sure about your source of the last sentence.  
> **username_10** (2014-08-13): It's not that this video tells anything related to this question, but the quote i written is taken from here. here's the video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_7YB9PsP_4  
> **username_12** (2018-08-30): totally agree except that danzo was major  evil duck  
---
### Answer by username_13 on 2014-08-14. Score: 1
Based on what Sakata Gintoki said in Gintama anime, it is the pattern of Shonen Jump manga. See Fairy Tail and Bleach. In Fairy Tail, Gajeel was an enemy, alongside Juvia, but now, they are one of the main members. Same thing in Bleach. Ishida Uryuu was an enemy in the beginning, but then he turned into friend, although now he is posing as an enemy again. But that pretty much is like Vegeta in Dragon Ball, though.
> **Comments:**
> **username_0** (2014-08-14): While this is true they usually limit it to a few characters who are supposed to be antiheroes/rivals anyways. In Naruto I would say the equivalent to this would be Neji or Sai.  
> **username_14** (2014-08-16): This. Ever since the original Dragon Ball in the 80s (and maybe even earlier), Shounen Jump manga have been like this. In Dragon Ball, Oolong (the pig man), Tenshinhan, Chao-Tzu, Piccolo, Vegeta, Android 18 (Krillen's wife), and probably many others I'm forgetting are former villains or rivals of Goku.  
> **username_15** (2016-12-06): @Torisuda With Goku, turning enemies/rivals into friends is sort of his main power.  
> **username_16** (2016-12-06): @RichF Didn't Kakashi say that this was Naruto's main power too. IIRC it was his conversation with Chiyo and then later Shikaku with Inoichi.  
> **username_17** (2019-07-20): Now I'm curious on which episode Gintoki said this in the anime...  
---
### Answer by username_18 on 2018-07-04. Score: 0
> "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the
> villain."

-- Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight

The characters that you describe started out as heroes, then turned to villainy, and then were set straight by Naruto. [KnowYourMeme](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-either-die-a-hero-or-you-live-long-enough-to-see-yourself-become-the-villain) does a good job of explaining the background and has links for more reading.

The jist of the phenomenon is that heroes usually become such when they die (posthumously), while the same disregard for the norm will eventually lead someone against normalcy, thus becoming a villain.

This picture uses the quote and Naruto characters to take it full circle:

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/4P4hq.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/4P4hq.png)
---
### Answer by username_19 on 2019-07-22. Score: 0
It seems to be due to the inherent nature of each being to think and decide the way he wishes to pursue, more like when you are born you are in an equilibrium and when faced by circumstances and the emotional atmosphere around you, you learn from it and draw towards to one of the positive or negative sides.

As we saw in DBZ, Vegeta came to destroy earth and was really persistent but then with the change of a heart decided to safeguard it and called it his home.
---
