<p>Funny I should come across this topic tonight, as I'm reading a book right now about the science behind making coffee as a commodity, a beverage and an art form.</p>

<p>One particular sentence from the book came to mind to help answer this question of your. It reads, "while acidity in many food items is often tied to sour flavors, acidity in coffee relates to the many levels of nuanced flavors that give the cup dimension."</p>

<p>The book goes further into detail on the different phenols, lipids, alkaloids, malic acids, acetic acids, quinic acids, etc. react during the Maillard Reaction (roasting, baking &amp; other cooking processes) that the bean will go through. But that statement above really helped me make sense of a lot of coffee statements that use the word "acidity" a lot. </p>

<p>For anyone interested to check out the book, it's called "How to Make Coffee: The Science Behind the Bean", by Lani Kingston (2016), and I picked it up at the SFMoMa Museum Store yesterday. A fair bit of minutia, but an interesting &amp; informative read nonetheless. </p>

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farankoshan
<p>Note:  I leave out a lot of the details of espresso shot extraction and just mention the major points of troubleshooting so don't flame me =p</p>

<p>Acidity is always tricky when you talk coffee because there are differences between perceived acidity and actual acidity.  Most coffees are slightly more acidic than milk, and they are in a very tight pH range.  When I talk to customers and try to describe acidity, I typically describe a spectrum where on one end, you have acidity, and the other end you have bitterness.  </p>

<p>If you use identical beans, you will typically get the exact same amount of acids in your cup of coffee.  These acids are primarily Citric and Malic acids and they extract at relatively low temperatures compared to the other compounds in coffee which is to say, you can't use water temperature to change acid extraction without brewing at such a low temperature as to basically not brew coffee.  The caveat to that is cold brew methods which essentially trade heat for time and are known for being very low acidity.</p>

<p>You mention better flavor and less bitterness in your espresso.  This indicates to me that rather than being concerned about acid extraction, we need to look on the other end of the spectrum and look at over extraction.  If you think about a coffee ground like a sponge filled with flavors, the first thing to come out is the acids.  This is why when you brew weak coffee it is thin, and tastes acidic.  The longer you squeeze the sponge so to speak, the more compounds come out, the last being the melanoidins that contribute body to the coffee.  Just like too much acid in weak coffee, if you extract too much out of the ground you will start getting bitter flavors.</p>

<p>The first thing is determining if the flavor defect is in fact acidity, or bitterness.  The biggest identifier for me is if it is overbearing acidity, I can feel it on the sides of my tongue (that's the sour receptors).  If instead you are dealing with bitterness, or charry flavor that is going to require the exact opposite to fix it.</p>

<p>Here is a post where I was troubleshooting a particularly difficult espresso shot that gives a lot of the detailed mechanics of how to pull a shot, and what might be going wrong.  <a href="https://coffee.stackexchange.com/questions/3518/what-is-going-wrong-with-this-espresso-shot">Coffee SE Espresso Thread</a></p>

<p>Lets say your problem is bitter espresso shots.  The first thing to check is if your beans are overroasted.  Presuming your input beans are good, and presuming the machine is functioning as intended.. let's go through how to troubleshoot.  Bitterness means overextraction which could be caused by a large number of factors, the top being too many grounds, coffee ground too fine, tamp technique, or even inserting the portafilter into the machine too early.  First thing is first, time your shot.  You should get roughly 2 fl oz of extract (2 shot glasses) in between 25-30 seconds.  Is it taking longer than this?  If so, this could be contributing to bitterness.  To remedy, reduce the amount of grounds in your portafilter, or grinder more coarse, both of which will speed up the extraction.  An additional complication, is if you tamp the grounds using too heavy a tamp, you can cause the extraction to run slow.  </p>

<p>On the flip side, if you decide the espresso is too acidic, you do exactly the opposite, namely, tighten the grind, make sure you are applying enough pressure during the tamp, or even add a gram or two of grounds.</p>

<p>This is a reasonably simplified solution to troubleshooting espresso, but I hope it gives some insight into acidity vs bitterness, how to begin troubleshooting espresso shots etc.</p>

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<p>I'm not sure if I have understood the question clearly. I will give it a try.</p>

<p>For espresso making, the temperature is not directly controlled by the barista, but by the espresso machine. So, you should not worry about the temperature that much.</p>

<p>In manual pour-overs or decoction-based brewing methods such as Turkish, temperature may be of interest.</p>

<p>However, I still do not know in what temperatures the acids are extracted; I know the average percentage of extracted acids in Robusta and Arabica beans from a study by Martin et al.</p>

<ul>
<li><p>Average Tannic acid in an Arabica bean is 5.9 % where in a Robusta bean it is around 7.7 %.</p></li>
<li><p>Average Chloregenic acid in an Arabica bean is around 3.6 % where in a Robusta bean it is around 4.4 %.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>In general, South American Arabica's have even less acidity according to the study.</p>

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@InstantCoffeeJedi, as I mentioned, it is by Martin et al. More formally: Martı́n, Marı́a J., Fernando Pablos, and A. Gustavo González. "Discrimination between arabica and robusta green coffee varieties according to their chemical composition." Talanta 46, no. 6 (1998): 1259-1264.
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<p>I don't know what acids extract with what temperature. For example, in 93 °C what acids hurt and what acids extract. I want to know for better flavor and less bitterness in my espresso, what can I do?</p>

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bitterness is not acidity, generally - the opposite, if anything. That is, acids generally taste sour and bases generally taste bitter.
Ecnerwal
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Could you please clear what does ‘hurt’ mean in this context?
MTSan
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Hey friends. For example you think u want to have lactic acid in my espresso. I want to know with what temperature i can do that. 92? 93 ?
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What acids are there in coffee?
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# What acids are there in coffee?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-08-25)

I don't know what acids extract with what temperature. For example, in 93 °C what acids hurt and what acids extract. I want to know for better flavor and less bitterness in my espresso, what can I do?

**Tags:** espresso, espresso-machine, extraction, chemistry, acid

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: bitterness is not acidity, generally - the opposite, if anything. That is, acids generally taste sour and bases generally taste bitter.  
> **username_2**: Could you please clear what does ‘hurt’ mean in this context?  
> **username_0**: Hey friends. For example you think u want to have lactic acid in my espresso. I want to know with what temperature i can do that. 92? 93 ?  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2017-08-27. Score: 2

Funny I should come across this topic tonight, as I'm reading a book right now about the science behind making coffee as a commodity, a beverage and an art form.

One particular sentence from the book came to mind to help answer this question of your. It reads, "while acidity in many food items is often tied to sour flavors, acidity in coffee relates to the many levels of nuanced flavors that give the cup dimension."

The book goes further into detail on the different phenols, lipids, alkaloids, malic acids, acetic acids, quinic acids, etc. react during the Maillard Reaction (roasting, baking & other cooking processes) that the bean will go through. But that statement above really helped me make sense of a lot of coffee statements that use the word "acidity" a lot.

For anyone interested to check out the book, it's called "How to Make Coffee: The Science Behind the Bean", by Lani Kingston (2016), and I picked it up at the SFMoMa Museum Store yesterday. A fair bit of minutia, but an interesting & informative read nonetheless.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2017-08-25. Score: 2

Note: I leave out a lot of the details of espresso shot extraction and just mention the major points of troubleshooting so don't flame me =p

Acidity is always tricky when you talk coffee because there are differences between perceived acidity and actual acidity. Most coffees are slightly more acidic than milk, and they are in a very tight pH range. When I talk to customers and try to describe acidity, I typically describe a spectrum where on one end, you have acidity, and the other end you have bitterness.

If you use identical beans, you will typically get the exact same amount of acids in your cup of coffee. These acids are primarily Citric and Malic acids and they extract at relatively low temperatures compared to the other compounds in coffee which is to say, you can't use water temperature to change acid extraction without brewing at such a low temperature as to basically not brew coffee. The caveat to that is cold brew methods which essentially trade heat for time and are known for being very low acidity.

You mention better flavor and less bitterness in your espresso. This indicates to me that rather than being concerned about acid extraction, we need to look on the other end of the spectrum and look at over extraction. If you think about a coffee ground like a sponge filled with flavors, the first thing to come out is the acids. This is why when you brew weak coffee it is thin, and tastes acidic. The longer you squeeze the sponge so to speak, the more compounds come out, the last being the melanoidins that contribute body to the coffee. Just like too much acid in weak coffee, if you extract too much out of the ground you will start getting bitter flavors.

The first thing is determining if the flavor defect is in fact acidity, or bitterness. The biggest identifier for me is if it is overbearing acidity, I can feel it on the sides of my tongue (that's the sour receptors). If instead you are dealing with bitterness, or charry flavor that is going to require the exact opposite to fix it.

Here is a post where I was troubleshooting a particularly difficult espresso shot that gives a lot of the detailed mechanics of how to pull a shot, and what might be going wrong. [Coffee SE Espresso Thread](https://coffee.stackexchange.com/questions/3518/what-is-going-wrong-with-this-espresso-shot)

Lets say your problem is bitter espresso shots. The first thing to check is if your beans are overroasted. Presuming your input beans are good, and presuming the machine is functioning as intended.. let's go through how to troubleshoot. Bitterness means overextraction which could be caused by a large number of factors, the top being too many grounds, coffee ground too fine, tamp technique, or even inserting the portafilter into the machine too early. First thing is first, time your shot. You should get roughly 2 fl oz of extract (2 shot glasses) in between 25-30 seconds. Is it taking longer than this? If so, this could be contributing to bitterness. To remedy, reduce the amount of grounds in your portafilter, or grinder more coarse, both of which will speed up the extraction. An additional complication, is if you tamp the grounds using too heavy a tamp, you can cause the extraction to run slow.

On the flip side, if you decide the espresso is too acidic, you do exactly the opposite, namely, tighten the grind, make sure you are applying enough pressure during the tamp, or even add a gram or two of grounds.

This is a reasonably simplified solution to troubleshooting espresso, but I hope it gives some insight into acidity vs bitterness, how to begin troubleshooting espresso shots etc.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2017-08-28. Score: 1

I'm not sure if I have understood the question clearly. I will give it a try.

For espresso making, the temperature is not directly controlled by the barista, but by the espresso machine. So, you should not worry about the temperature that much.

In manual pour-overs or decoction-based brewing methods such as Turkish, temperature may be of interest.

However, I still do not know in what temperatures the acids are extracted; I know the average percentage of extracted acids in Robusta and Arabica beans from a study by Martin et al.

* Average Tannic acid in an Arabica bean is 5.9 % where in a Robusta bean it is around 7.7 %.
* Average Chloregenic acid in an Arabica bean is around 3.6 % where in a Robusta bean it is around 4.4 %.

In general, South American Arabica's have even less acidity according to the study.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: Source? 15 char  
> **username_2**: @InstantCoffeeJedi, as I mentioned, it is by Martin et al. More formally: Martı́n, Marı́a J., Fernando Pablos, and A. Gustavo González. "Discrimination between arabica and robusta green coffee varieties according to their chemical composition." Talanta 46, no. 6 (1998): 1259-1264.  

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