<p>You should not tamp the coffee in a Moka. These pots don't like excessive pressure, which tamping would produce due to increased density. This is also why the water should not cover the steam valve. In the worst case they can literally explode!</p>

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I think that the last part of this answer is a bit imprecise. The valve still works and opens in some specified pressure range even when covered in water. *However* when it opens while being covered by water, instead of emitting steam to the outside world, a stream of boiling hot water would shoots out of the valve. This is *way more dangerous than the steam* to nearby human tissue (and other stuff in your kitchen).
DCTLib
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Ivan Kapitonov
<p>The general idea is that tamping with moka pots is unnecessary/harmful/dangerous because of the excessive pressure this will cause (see Ivan's answer: <a href="https://coffee.stackexchange.com/a/489">https://coffee.stackexchange.com/a/489</a>). </p>

<p>However, we usually compact the ground coffee a bit with a spoon by slightly tapping on the grounds while making sure that there is a flat surface. This tends to give a richer flavour if, for whatever reason, you do not fill the basket to the top. (E.g. if you want to prepare a smaller serving and you don't have a smaller pot.) This is not traditional tamping, but somewhat similar.</p>

<p>My hypothesis is that the reason for the  improvement in flavor seems to be the longer extraction time: If the basket is only half full, I mostly tend to get underextracted, somewhat sour-ish coffee. Compacting the grounds a bit results in more resistance to the hot water and, thus, a longer contact time. (Not sure if that hypothesis is correct, but the result is easy to reproduce for me.)</p>

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Interesting! Do you have any hypothesis as to why it improves flavour? Is it something about the fashion steam goes through the grounds? Welcome to Coffee SE :-)
Ivan Kapitonov
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@IvanKapitonov Thanks! Actually I have a hypothesis that sounds kind of logical to me, so I added that to the answer. :-)
anderas
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makes sense -- will try tomorrow!
Ivan Kapitonov
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yeah, I guess it worked. I've got quite sour beans now though, so will keep experimenting.
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anderas
<p>I have used several types of Moka pots in the 25 years since I learned about them, and I can confirm that with tamping, my Moka pots have never exploded, or even triggered the pressure release valve once, even after a decade or more of use.</p>
<p>Unlike espresso machines, a Moka pot lifts the grinds with the water, rather than pressing them down into the basket they were tamped into, so maybe that is why tamping doesn't seem to make a huge difference in pressure/time.</p>
<p>I suspect the pressure valve on a moka pot may just be there for emergencies, like if a child in your household innocently plugs the stem of your moka pot with something!</p>
<p>Still, I do tamp my moka pot, because it seems to make slightly better coffee, when I've experimented. Possibly it just increases consistency. However it will probably depend on the specific coffee you are using and what flavour profile you like. I highly recommend some careful experiments with tamping, grind, and amount of coffee to find what you like best.</p>
<p>Actually, on the internet you will find this advice universally for moka pots, which all seems clearly wrong to me:</p>
<ul>
<li>do not tamp</li>
<li>do not use espresso grind</li>
<li>those are not safe because the pressure will be too high, you will explode your pot</li>
<li>put hot water in your pot (not cold) or you will burn your coffee</li>
</ul>
<p>For tamping, I followed what I learned from normal Italian family usage in Canada (not my family, but 3 friends' families who were from Italy) when I was a young adult in the 90's. All of them tamped with a spoon, and all of them used standard Lavazza ground coffee, which is an espresso grind, according to Lavazza.</p>
<p>From personal experience, I find I get the best results (for my taste and coffee blend) with my burr grinder set to nearly its finest setting, and tamping firmly.</p>
<p>(The &quot;using cold water causes a burned coffee taste&quot; advice, repeated over and over in online articles, just doesn't make any sense. Sorry, that has to be pure internet echo-chamber nonsense.)</p>

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I think the confusion comes from the espresso grind and using Lavazza ground coffee as well as the word tamp. Seeing that tamped espresso grounds need at least 8 bar of pressure to get some liquid through, I don't think those tamped grounds are really espresso grinds. For comparison, moka pot safety valves should kick in at or below two bar of pressure. When people advice not to tamp, I think they have more forceful tamp in mind also, the way you'd see with a real espresso puck and a tamper. What you're describing sounds more like compressing or compacting which does indeed make sense.
JJJ
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2023-06-09T17:26:06.360Z
I updated my response. JJJ's remarks started me thinking, and so now I note that pressure from the moka pot is in reverse to the tamping force (the water lifts up). I also spent several months experimenting with variables to see if I would really find tamping helps, and I think it does, perhaps mainly by increasing consistency of extraction. (That is the justification for tamping espresso given here: https://www.baristahustle.com/blog/how-hard-should-you-tamp/)
Neil B.
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Neil B.
<p>I have found that with tamping down the coffee produces a stronger extraction. Theory being - whether right or wrong - that the water picks up more coffee and at a slower rate. Experimenting without tamping produced a gushing and diluted extraction, which was no good for my use. Also only taking the first couple of tablespoonfuls maximum, because any further extraction will, again be too weak.</p>

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Alan Rowe
<p>Can I just add the coffee powder to the basket and let the the water vapour do the work or should I make use of a tamp same as with a professional Espresso machine?  </p>

<brewing-process><espresso><moka>
Do I need to use a tamp if using a Moka pot stove top espresso maker?
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# Do I need to use a tamp if using a Moka pot stove top espresso maker?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-02-16)

Can I just add the coffee powder to the basket and let the the water vapour do the work or should I make use of a tamp same as with a professional Espresso machine?

**Tags:** brewing-process, espresso, moka


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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2015-02-16. Score: 14 | Accepted answer

You should not tamp the coffee in a Moka. These pots don't like excessive pressure, which tamping would produce due to increased density. This is also why the water should not cover the steam valve. In the worst case they can literally explode!

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: I think that the last part of this answer is a bit imprecise. The valve still works and opens in some specified pressure range even when covered in water. *However* when it opens while being covered by water, instead of emitting steam to the outside world, a stream of boiling hot water would shoots out of the valve. This is *way more dangerous than the steam* to nearby human tissue (and other stuff in your kitchen).  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2015-10-26. Score: 4

The general idea is that tamping with moka pots is unnecessary/harmful/dangerous because of the excessive pressure this will cause (see Ivan's answer: <https://coffee.stackexchange.com/a/489>).

However, we usually compact the ground coffee a bit with a spoon by slightly tapping on the grounds while making sure that there is a flat surface. This tends to give a richer flavour if, for whatever reason, you do not fill the basket to the top. (E.g. if you want to prepare a smaller serving and you don't have a smaller pot.) This is not traditional tamping, but somewhat similar.

My hypothesis is that the reason for the improvement in flavor seems to be the longer extraction time: If the basket is only half full, I mostly tend to get underextracted, somewhat sour-ish coffee. Compacting the grounds a bit results in more resistance to the hot water and, thus, a longer contact time. (Not sure if that hypothesis is correct, but the result is easy to reproduce for me.)

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Interesting! Do you have any hypothesis as to why it improves flavour? Is it something about the fashion steam goes through the grounds? Welcome to Coffee SE :-)  
> **username_3**: @IvanKapitonov Thanks! Actually I have a hypothesis that sounds kind of logical to me, so I added that to the answer. :-)  
> **username_1**: makes sense -- will try tomorrow!  
> **username_1**: yeah, I guess it worked. I've got quite sour beans now though, so will keep experimenting.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2023-02-20. Score: 0

I have used several types of Moka pots in the 25 years since I learned about them, and I can confirm that with tamping, my Moka pots have never exploded, or even triggered the pressure release valve once, even after a decade or more of use.

Unlike espresso machines, a Moka pot lifts the grinds with the water, rather than pressing them down into the basket they were tamped into, so maybe that is why tamping doesn't seem to make a huge difference in pressure/time.

I suspect the pressure valve on a moka pot may just be there for emergencies, like if a child in your household innocently plugs the stem of your moka pot with something!

Still, I do tamp my moka pot, because it seems to make slightly better coffee, when I've experimented. Possibly it just increases consistency. However it will probably depend on the specific coffee you are using and what flavour profile you like. I highly recommend some careful experiments with tamping, grind, and amount of coffee to find what you like best.

Actually, on the internet you will find this advice universally for moka pots, which all seems clearly wrong to me:

* do not tamp
* do not use espresso grind
* those are not safe because the pressure will be too high, you will explode your pot
* put hot water in your pot (not cold) or you will burn your coffee

For tamping, I followed what I learned from normal Italian family usage in Canada (not my family, but 3 friends' families who were from Italy) when I was a young adult in the 90's. All of them tamped with a spoon, and all of them used standard Lavazza ground coffee, which is an espresso grind, according to Lavazza.

From personal experience, I find I get the best results (for my taste and coffee blend) with my burr grinder set to nearly its finest setting, and tamping firmly.

(The "using cold water causes a burned coffee taste" advice, repeated over and over in online articles, just doesn't make any sense. Sorry, that has to be pure internet echo-chamber nonsense.)

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: I think the confusion comes from the espresso grind and using Lavazza ground coffee as well as the word tamp. Seeing that tamped espresso grounds need at least 8 bar of pressure to get some liquid through, I don't think those tamped grounds are really espresso grinds. For comparison, moka pot safety valves should kick in at or below two bar of pressure. When people advice not to tamp, I think they have more forceful tamp in mind also, the way you'd see with a real espresso puck and a tamper. What you're describing sounds more like compressing or compacting which does indeed make sense.  
> **username_4**: I updated my response. username_5's remarks started me thinking, and so now I note that pressure from the moka pot is in reverse to the tamping force (the water lifts up). I also spent several months experimenting with variables to see if I would really find tamping helps, and I think it does, perhaps mainly by increasing consistency of extraction. (That is the justification for tamping espresso given here: https://www.baristahustle.com/blog/how-hard-should-you-tamp/)  

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### Answer by username_6 on 2023-07-21. Score: 0

I have found that with tamping down the coffee produces a stronger extraction. Theory being - whether right or wrong - that the water picks up more coffee and at a slower rate. Experimenting without tamping produced a gushing and diluted extraction, which was no good for my use. Also only taking the first couple of tablespoonfuls maximum, because any further extraction will, again be too weak.


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