<p>To hire graduate students! In addition to paying for your own salary, travel, guests you'd like to have visit the university, and so on.</p>

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Jamie Morgenstern
<p><strong>[Adding to <a href="https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/4131/why-would-a-tcs-researcher-need-funding/4134#4134">Jukka's answer</a>]</strong> You need to somehow support your life. If your family isn't paying your costs (which is the case for all students in our research lab), you need to somehow earn a living. Either you have to work (which usually prevents one from concentrating on research), or you use the funds.</p>

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  <p>A friend of mine was once asked to promise not to work during his graduate studies. "I can't eat papers when I'm hungry," he replied! ;)</p>
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"I can't eat papers when I'm hungry." is going to be my T-shirt quote! +1
Pratik Deoghare
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Sadeq Dousti
<p>I have a scholaship, but that only covers the tuition fee and living costs. My university doesn't give me money to go to conferences (registration, hotel, aeroplane tickets), paying for journal access, buy books, etc. Those things require a heck of a lot of money, and research grants give you that. Normally the costs of printer, paper, pencils, etc are covered by the university.</p>

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(I think you meant "heck of a lot" not "lot of a heck" :))
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Marcos Villagra
<p>It is possible for a financially secure professor to get the mindset of "money doesn't matter", and indeed beyond a certain subsistence level, it is irrelevant. I will comment, that most of us aspiring researchers would indeed prefer a research job to a non-research one paying twice as much - beyond the minimum living costs and odd luxuries.</p>

<p>I will note that the renowned Topologist and Fields Medal winner, Stephen Smale once commented that he did his best research on "the beaches of Rio". The ensuing controversy cased him to lose his NSA funding temporarily, but I believe his point is valid. Security, travel and some degree of comfort/diversion does benefit the best minds.Not that 99% of us would be comparable to Stephen Smale of course, even with a million dollars.</p>

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Amir
<p>To pay your own salary (and the travel costs of some conference trips).</p>

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And grad students.
Peter Shor 
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Pay your own salary?? what?
Pratik Deoghare
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@TheMachineCharmer: It is *much* easier to find a job (or keep your job) at a university if you have a grant that covers the costs! Once you get a permanent position as professor, you can stop worrying about it (but, as Peter Shor pointed out, then you will need to worry about finding funding for your grad students...).
Jukka Suomela
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...even if tenured, the group as a whole can get the boot; this can happen (particularly when finances are tight).
Eamon Nerbonne
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Jukka Suomela
<p>As a young professor, I wondered the same thing! The short answer is that the ability to secure funding is more or less a requirement for promotion and tenure. This may not seem fair at first (it didn't to me!), but the university has expenses and needs the overhead. Anyway, this is the game I signed up to play, and the rules are quite explicit up-front. As I gained experience and students, the answer became much clearer. It's mainly to support students! That's where the vast bulk of my funding is spent. The rest gets eaten up by travel, equipment, hosting, etc.</p>

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When you say hosting, do you mean (i) hosting a website / webservice, or (ii) hosting conferences, or (iii) hosting visiting researchers, and then do you have the freedom to invite whomever and offer them room and board, or (iv) something else, or (v) all of the above?
Lieuwe Vinkhuijzen
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I mostly meant (iii), and fortunately, YES. I don't imagine (i) requires all that much funding. On the other hand, (ii) is sufficiently expensive to typically require a separate grant dedicated to each such event.
Aryeh
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<p><em>This is purely US-centric: other countries have different funding models. This is also from the perspective of an academic with a Ph.D, rather than a graduate student</em> </p>

<p>As Jamie and Peter point out, the primary purpose of funding is to support graduate students. A secondary purpose is to support yourself during the summer. It's not widely known, but most US-based academics aren't paid for the 3 months of summer, and use grant money as salary for those months (I'll not discuss the limitations of NSF vs DARPA etc etc). </p>

<p>So you say, "I don't need students, I'll just work with colleagues". Great ! but then you need money to visit them. Without grant money, you have to wait your turn for whatever meager departmental funds might be available for travel (usually minimal). </p>

<p>So you then say "Fine ! I'll use skype and email to collaborate". Great ! but then you need to travel to a conference to give a talk. How do you fund that ?</p>

<p>So you say "Fine ! I'll just publish in journals and on the arxiv, and the brilliance of my research will shine through". Um, yeah....</p>

<p>If you're a junior academic, not getting funding can also affect your ability to retain your job itself. Funding is a major income source for most American universities. </p>

<p>None of this is ideal. But that's how the system is currently structured, dating back to Vannevar Bush, the founding of the NSF, and the mutation of the university into a research-generating enterprise. </p>

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Aha! Got it! In its full(almost full) depth and breadth :-)
Pratik Deoghare
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“So you say ‘I don't need students’.”  Sorry, but if you work at a research university and you want tenure, you need students.  Even if you can argue that your research per se doesn't require funding, having no (or even very few) students raises serious red flags with tenure committees.  But once you have students, you need to feed them.
Jeffε
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too true. I wrote this partly from the (imagined) perspective of a tenured professor, but you're absolutely right that having no students is a major red flag.
Suresh Venkat
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@Jeffε: I think this is university-dependent. Having *no* students is probably a red flag everywhere, but at some places you can have very few students and still get tenure just fine. Also, many depts are set up where students can be funded for some number of semesters by TA-ships instead of RA-ships from grants.
Joshua Grochow
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The UK system has long decoupled funding for research grants and student training. Normally it is NOT allowed to cost a PhD student on a research grant: https://epsrc.ukri.org/newsevents/news/projectstudentships/ "No research proposals will be accepted with project students on them after the 31 January 2011". This model removes a lot of pressure on securing grants for the sake of feeding your students, and allows you to focus on what your research work really needs.
Mahdi Cheraghchi
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@JoshuaGrochow I think we're in violent agreement.
Jeffε
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Suresh Venkat
<p>I was reading <a href="https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/1562/why-go-to-theoretical-computer-science-research/1582#1582">this</a>. It says</p>

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  <p>... You won't find yourself as starving for funding like Pure Mathematics. (You'll still always find yourself starving for funding.)...</p>
</blockquote>

<p><strike>Why do pure mathematicians need funding?(Ooops its mathoverflow  question)</strike></p>

<p>Why would someone doing theoretical research need funding?</p>

<p>I think tools of trade are papers, pencils, a laptop with good internet connection and a printer(?). </p>

<p>Please enlighten me! :-)</p>

<soft-question><career>
Why would a TCS researcher need funding?
Pratik Deoghare
# Why would a TCS researcher need funding?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2011-01-05)

I was reading [this](https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/1562/why-go-to-theoretical-computer-science-research/1582#1582). It says

> ... You won't find yourself as starving for funding like Pure Mathematics. (You'll still always find yourself starving for funding.)...

Why do pure mathematicians need funding?(Ooops its mathoverflow question)

Why would someone doing theoretical research need funding?

I think tools of trade are papers, pencils, a laptop with good internet connection and a printer(?).

Please enlighten me! :-)

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## 7 answers

### Answer by username_11 on 2011-01-05. Score: 68 | Accepted answer

*This is purely US-centric: other countries have different funding models. This is also from the perspective of an academic with a Ph.D, rather than a graduate student*

As Jamie and Peter point out, the primary purpose of funding is to support graduate students. A secondary purpose is to support yourself during the summer. It's not widely known, but most US-based academics aren't paid for the 3 months of summer, and use grant money as salary for those months (I'll not discuss the limitations of NSF vs DARPA etc etc).

So you say, "I don't need students, I'll just work with colleagues". Great ! but then you need money to visit them. Without grant money, you have to wait your turn for whatever meager departmental funds might be available for travel (usually minimal).

So you then say "Fine ! I'll use skype and email to collaborate". Great ! but then you need to travel to a conference to give a talk. How do you fund that ?

So you say "Fine ! I'll just publish in journals and on the arxiv, and the brilliance of my research will shine through". Um, yeah....

If you're a junior academic, not getting funding can also affect your ability to retain your job itself. Funding is a major income source for most American universities.

None of this is ideal. But that's how the system is currently structured, dating back to Vannevar Bush, the founding of the NSF, and the mutation of the university into a research-generating enterprise.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Aha! Got it! In its full(almost full) depth and breadth :-)  
> **username_12**: “So you say ‘I don't need students’.”  Sorry, but if you work at a research university and you want tenure, you need students.  Even if you can argue that your research per se doesn't require funding, having no (or even very few) students raises serious red flags with tenure committees.  But once you have students, you need to feed them.  
> **username_11**: too true. I wrote this partly from the (imagined) perspective of a tenured professor, but you're absolutely right that having no students is a major red flag.  
> **username_4**: @username_12: I think this is university-dependent. Having *no* students is probably a red flag everywhere, but at some places you can have very few students and still get tenure just fine. Also, many depts are set up where students can be funded for some number of semesters by TA-ships instead of RA-ships from grants.  
> **username_13**: The UK system has long decoupled funding for research grants and student training. Normally it is NOT allowed to cost a PhD student on a research grant: https://epsrc.ukri.org/newsevents/news/projectstudentships/ "No research proposals will be accepted with project students on them after the 31 January 2011". This model removes a lot of pressure on securing grants for the sake of feeding your students, and allows you to focus on what your research work really needs.  
> **username_12**: @JoshuaGrochow I think we're in violent agreement.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2011-01-05. Score: 19

To hire graduate students! In addition to paying for your own salary, travel, guests you'd like to have visit the university, and so on.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2011-01-05. Score: 16

**[Adding to [Jukka's answer](https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/4131/why-would-a-tcs-researcher-need-funding/4134#4134)]** You need to somehow support your life. If your family isn't paying your costs (which is the case for all students in our research lab), you need to somehow earn a living. Either you have to work (which usually prevents one from concentrating on research), or you use the funds.

> A friend of mine was once asked to promise not to work during his graduate studies. "I can't eat papers when I'm hungry," he replied! ;)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: "I can't eat papers when I'm hungry." is going to be my T-shirt quote! +1  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2011-01-05. Score: 10

I have a scholaship, but that only covers the tuition fee and living costs. My university doesn't give me money to go to conferences (registration, hotel, aeroplane tickets), paying for journal access, buy books, etc. Those things require a heck of a lot of money, and research grants give you that. Normally the costs of printer, paper, pencils, etc are covered by the university.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: (I think you meant "heck of a lot" not "lot of a heck" :))  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2011-07-08. Score: 10

It is possible for a financially secure professor to get the mindset of "money doesn't matter", and indeed beyond a certain subsistence level, it is irrelevant. I will comment, that most of us aspiring researchers would indeed prefer a research job to a non-research one paying twice as much - beyond the minimum living costs and odd luxuries.

I will note that the renowned Topologist and Fields Medal winner, Stephen Smale once commented that he did his best research on "the beaches of Rio". The ensuing controversy cased him to lose his NSA funding temporarily, but I believe his point is valid. Security, travel and some degree of comfort/diversion does benefit the best minds.Not that 99% of us would be comparable to Stephen Smale of course, even with a million dollars.


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### Answer by username_6 on 2011-01-05. Score: 8

To pay your own salary (and the travel costs of some conference trips).

> **Comments:**
> **username_7**: And grad students.  
> **username_0**: Pay your own salary?? what?  
> **username_6**: @TheMachineCharmer: It is *much* easier to find a job (or keep your job) at a university if you have a grant that covers the costs! Once you get a permanent position as professor, you can stop worrying about it (but, as username_7pointed out, then you will need to worry about finding funding for your grad students...).  
> **username_8**: ...even if tenured, the group as a whole can get the boot; this can happen (particularly when finances are tight).  

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### Answer by username_9 on 2020-05-26. Score: 3

As a young professor, I wondered the same thing! The short answer is that the ability to secure funding is more or less a requirement for promotion and tenure. This may not seem fair at first (it didn't to me!), but the university has expenses and needs the overhead. Anyway, this is the game I signed up to play, and the rules are quite explicit up-front. As I gained experience and students, the answer became much clearer. It's mainly to support students! That's where the vast bulk of my funding is spent. The rest gets eaten up by travel, equipment, hosting, etc.

> **Comments:**
> **username_10**: When you say hosting, do you mean (i) hosting a website / webservice, or (ii) hosting conferences, or (iii) hosting visiting researchers, and then do you have the freedom to invite whomever and offer them room and board, or (iv) something else, or (v) all of the above?  
> **username_9**: I mostly meant (iii), and fortunately, YES. I don't imagine (i) requires all that much funding. On the other hand, (ii) is sufficiently expensive to typically require a separate grant dedicated to each such event.  

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