<p>This is basically a repeat of Aristarchus’ experiment of trying to figure out the distance between the Earth and the Moon from a lunar eclipse. See for example <a href="https://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Shipprc2.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Shipprc2.htm</a></p>
<p>So, we know that Iapetus orbits Saturn in 79.3215 days, at an average distance of 3,560,820 km. Saturn’s diameter is 116,464 km, and it orbits the Sun at an average distance of 1,433,530,000 km. The Sun’s diameter is 1,392,684 km.</p>
<p>Using this data, you can now use the formulas given on Wikipedia <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Sizes_and_Distances_(Aristarchus)#Lunar_eclipse" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Sizes_and_Distances_(Aristarchus)#Lunar_eclipse</a> to calculate the size of Saturn’s shadow at Iapetus’s distance. Knowing how long Iapetus spends in it is then only a matter of dividing the size of Saturn’s shadow by the circumference of its orbit, then multiplying by Iapetus’s orbital period.</p>
<p>I’ll let you do the math. We’re here to <em>help find the answers</em>, not <em>give all the answers</em>. ;-)</p>

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Pierre Paquette
<p>Most moons orbit in the equatorial planes of the planets they orbit.  Earth's moon is a big exception.</p>
<p>Because of the varying tilt angles of planets, some satellite systems are too far out out the planes between their planets and their stars, and so never pass into the shadows of their planets and never get eclipsed by their planets.  Other planets have axial tilts such that their moons in equatorial orbits can sometimes be eclipsed by their planets.</p>
<p>Here is a link to a table of the axial tilts of the planets in our solar system.  The eaxial tilt of a planet can be as little as 0.00 degress or as much as 90.00 degrees.  The examples in our solar system vary from as little as 0.03 degress (Mercury) to as much as 82.83 degrees (Uranus),</p>
<p>Amateur astronomers often view the 4 Galilean moons of Jupiter, and do things like timing when they are eclisped by jupiter.  So the moons of Jupiter are often eclipsed.  But Jupiter has an axial tilt of only 3.13 degrees.</p>
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<p>If viewed from Mars's surface near its equator, full Phobos looks about one-third as big as a full moon on Earth. It has an angular diameter of between 8' (rising) and 12' (overhead). Due to its close orbit, it would look smaller when the observer is further away from the Martian equator and is below the horizon and thus invisible when viewed from Mars's polar ice caps. Deimos looks more like a bright star or planet for an observer on Mars, only slightly bigger than Venus looks from Earth; it has an angular diameter of about 2'. The Sun's angular diameter as seen from Mars, by contrast, is about 21'. Thus there are no total solar eclipses on Mars, as the moons are far too small to completely cover the Sun. On the other hand, total lunar eclipses of Phobos happen almost every night.[25]</p>
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Mars#:%7E:text=Thus%20there%20are%20no%20total%20solar%20eclipses%20on,appear%20very%20different%20from%20that%20of%20Earth%27s%20Moon.%5B1%5D" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Mars#:~:text=Thus%20there%20are%20no%20total%20solar%20eclipses%20on,appear%20very%20different%20from%20that%20of%20Earth%27s%20Moon.[1]</a></p>
<p>Mars has an axial tilt of 25.19 degrees.</p>
<p>So moons orbiting in the equatorial plane of a planet can be eclisped by the planet if they are close enough to the planet and if the planet has an axial tilt of 25.19 degress or less, and possibly even if the planet has a larger axial tilt.</p>
<p>PS the worldbuilding stack exachange is a good place to ask questions about creating fictional worlds.</p>
<p><a href="https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions%5B2%5D">https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions[2]</a></p>

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M. A. Golding
<p>I'm writing a story that takes place on the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus_(moon)" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Saturn moon Iapetus</a>and I was thinking that especially since Iapetus only has an inclination of about 17 degrees from the ecliptic, wouldn't there be a point during its orbital period where it orbits &quot;behind&quot; Saturn — that is to say, Saturn is directly between Iapetus and the Sun — and doesn't get any direct sunlight?
Is that correct or am I missing a detail here?</p>
<p>If it is true that moons like Iapetus experience these periods of no sunlight, how difficult would it be to calculate roughly how long this period would be using the inclination and the orbital period?</p>

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Welcome to astronomy SE! The question is pretty much on topic, but I took the liberty to slightly edit your question so that it is easier to read. Concerning the maths - you are at the right place, that's why I added the tag [tag:celestrial-mechanics].
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Do moons experience periods of no sunlight when orbiting "behind" their planet?
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# Do moons experience periods of no sunlight when orbiting "behind" their planet?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-03-03)

I'm writing a story that takes place on the [Saturn moon Iapetus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus_(moon))and I was thinking that especially since Iapetus only has an inclination of about 17 degrees from the ecliptic, wouldn't there be a point during its orbital period where it orbits "behind" Saturn — that is to say, Saturn is directly between Iapetus and the Sun — and doesn't get any direct sunlight?
Is that correct or am I missing a detail here?

If it is true that moons like Iapetus experience these periods of no sunlight, how difficult would it be to calculate roughly how long this period would be using the inclination and the orbital period?

**Tags:** orbit, natural-satellites, saturn, celestial-mechanics, eclipse-non-earth-related

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Related: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/39630/16685  
> **username_2**: Welcome to astronomy SE! The question is pretty much on topic, but I took the liberty to slightly edit your question so that it is easier to read. Concerning the maths - you are at the right place, that's why I added the tag [tag:celestrial-mechanics].  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2021-03-05. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

This is basically a repeat of Aristarchus’ experiment of trying to figure out the distance between the Earth and the Moon from a lunar eclipse. See for example <https://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Shipprc2.htm>

So, we know that Iapetus orbits Saturn in 79.3215 days, at an average distance of 3,560,820 km. Saturn’s diameter is 116,464 km, and it orbits the Sun at an average distance of 1,433,530,000 km. The Sun’s diameter is 1,392,684 km.

Using this data, you can now use the formulas given on Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Sizes_and_Distances_(Aristarchus)#Lunar_eclipse> to calculate the size of Saturn’s shadow at Iapetus’s distance. Knowing how long Iapetus spends in it is then only a matter of dividing the size of Saturn’s shadow by the circumference of its orbit, then multiplying by Iapetus’s orbital period.

I’ll let you do the math. We’re here to *help find the answers*, not *give all the answers*. ;-)


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### Answer by username_4 on 2021-03-07. Score: 1

Most moons orbit in the equatorial planes of the planets they orbit. Earth's moon is a big exception.

Because of the varying tilt angles of planets, some satellite systems are too far out out the planes between their planets and their stars, and so never pass into the shadows of their planets and never get eclipsed by their planets. Other planets have axial tilts such that their moons in equatorial orbits can sometimes be eclipsed by their planets.

Here is a link to a table of the axial tilts of the planets in our solar system. The eaxial tilt of a planet can be as little as 0.00 degress or as much as 90.00 degrees. The examples in our solar system vary from as little as 0.03 degress (Mercury) to as much as 82.83 degrees (Uranus),

Amateur astronomers often view the 4 Galilean moons of Jupiter, and do things like timing when they are eclisped by jupiter. So the moons of Jupiter are often eclipsed. But Jupiter has an axial tilt of only 3.13 degrees.

> If viewed from Mars's surface near its equator, full Phobos looks about one-third as big as a full moon on Earth. It has an angular diameter of between 8' (rising) and 12' (overhead). Due to its close orbit, it would look smaller when the observer is further away from the Martian equator and is below the horizon and thus invisible when viewed from Mars's polar ice caps. Deimos looks more like a bright star or planet for an observer on Mars, only slightly bigger than Venus looks from Earth; it has an angular diameter of about 2'. The Sun's angular diameter as seen from Mars, by contrast, is about 21'. Thus there are no total solar eclipses on Mars, as the moons are far too small to completely cover the Sun. On the other hand, total lunar eclipses of Phobos happen almost every night.[25]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons\_of\_Mars#:~:text=Thus%20there%20are%20no%20total%20solar%20eclipses%20on,appear%20very%20different%20from%20that%20of%20Earth%27s%20Moon.[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Mars#:%7E:text=Thus%20there%20are%20no%20total%20solar%20eclipses%20on,appear%20very%20different%20from%20that%20of%20Earth%27s%20Moon.%5B1%5D)

Mars has an axial tilt of 25.19 degrees.

So moons orbiting in the equatorial plane of a planet can be eclisped by the planet if they are close enough to the planet and if the planet has an axial tilt of 25.19 degress or less, and possibly even if the planet has a larger axial tilt.

PS the worldbuilding stack exachange is a good place to ask questions about creating fictional worlds.

[https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions[2]](https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions%5B2%5D)


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