<p>It all depends on what you are trying to do. For some purposes 6H might correspond to an adequate vacuum  for others not. The density is not low enough to ignore its effects on a space craft (we are talking of $\approx 48$ km in the case of the Earth). Indeed $48$km is less than the altitude record for an unmanned balloon, though greater than the altitude records for air breathing aircraft.</p>

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Conrad Turner
<p>Given that by definition of scale height an atmosphere thins by a factor of <strong>1/e^x</strong> where <strong>x</strong> is elevation in terms of scale height multiples (See the table here: <a href="http://astro.unl.edu/naap/scaleheight/sh_bg1.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Definition of Scale Height</a>), can we assume that the atmosphere is effectively non-existent at the elevation of 6H?</p>

<p>Density at elevation 6H
1/e^6 = ~0.00248 would mean about 0.2% of density at surface level</p>

<p>I know there is no real physical boundary but what I'm looking for is what is the assumed standard for simplifying calculations. Or is it just a bad idea to try and do it this way?</p>

<p>*This is a followup to another question:
<a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/10279/how-can-you-determine-the-initial-volume-of-a-planets-atmosphere">How can you determine the initial volume of a planet's atmosphere?</a></p>

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2015-04-09T22:11:44.413Z
Everything you say is sensible. However, you need to provide a context as to whether 6 scale heights as opposed to some other number is appropriate. Also note that the scale height is not a fixed number. If the temperature or composition change, so does the scale height.
ProfRob
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I'm trying to avoid having to do any integration for the purpose of a simple model. i guess simple is a relative word :-). 6H seems like it's close enough to 0 density. At 7H i got 0.09%.  My assumption is that at some point the mass will be negligible with respect to surface pressure. Good point about the varying scale height, i want to create an intial set of conditions and be able to see how they are affected by introducing different tweaks, releasing gases into the atmosphere, changing the temperature etc.
Marcin
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Can you assume atmosphere height for the purpose of surface pressure calculation?
Marcin
# Can you assume atmosphere height for the purpose of surface pressure calculation?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-04-09)

Given that by definition of scale height an atmosphere thins by a factor of **1/e^x** where **x** is elevation in terms of scale height multiples (See the table here: [Definition of Scale Height](http://astro.unl.edu/naap/scaleheight/sh_bg1.html)), can we assume that the atmosphere is effectively non-existent at the elevation of 6H?

Density at elevation 6H
1/e^6 = ~0.00248 would mean about 0.2% of density at surface level

I know there is no real physical boundary but what I'm looking for is what is the assumed standard for simplifying calculations. Or is it just a bad idea to try and do it this way?

\*This is a followup to another question:
[How can you determine the initial volume of a planet's atmosphere?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/10279/how-can-you-determine-the-initial-volume-of-a-planets-atmosphere)

**Tags:** exoplanet, astrophysics, planetary-atmosphere

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Everything you say is sensible. However, you need to provide a context as to whether 6 scale heights as opposed to some other number is appropriate. Also note that the scale height is not a fixed number. If the temperature or composition change, so does the scale height.  
> **username_0**: I'm trying to avoid having to do any integration for the purpose of a simple model. i guess simple is a relative word :-). 6H seems like it's close enough to 0 density. At 7H i got 0.09%.  My assumption is that at some point the mass will be negligible with respect to surface pressure. Good point about the varying scale height, i want to create an intial set of conditions and be able to see how they are affected by introducing different tweaks, releasing gases into the atmosphere, changing the temperature etc.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2015-04-11. Score: 2

It all depends on what you are trying to do. For some purposes 6H might correspond to an adequate vacuum for others not. The density is not low enough to ignore its effects on a space craft (we are talking of $\approx 48$ km in the case of the Earth). Indeed $48$km is less than the altitude record for an unmanned balloon, though greater than the altitude records for air breathing aircraft.


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