<p>It could take a day to discover a planet, if the stars align (literally), and then probably less than a year to find all five planets.</p>
<p>On the 3rd of April 2020 you happen to look up and you notice that the evening star is right in the middle of the Seven sisters (you know the seven sisters because it does look rather special in the sky and the evening star is so bright, so this combination is quite noticeable.</p>
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<p>&quot;Has it always been in the seven sisters?&quot; you think to yourself, surely I'd have noticed... so next night you look again.</p>
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<p>To your surprise, it has moved noticeably over one night!</p>
<p>From now on you are actively looking for these special moving stars.  Over the summer of 2020 you notice two bright stars in the southern sky, and they are clearly further apart at the end of summer than they were at the start. Looking carefully over the summer reveals that they both moved relative to the constellations.
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<p>And then in the winter of 2020 into the spring of 2021 you watch as a bright red star move closer and closer to the &quot;V&quot; of the hyades.</p>
<p>Mercury is always hard to spot, but as soon as you do (perhaps in the mornings of July 2020) you know it moves, because it simply isn't in a place where a star is, it moves so fast that its motion is quite obvious.</p>
<p>With naked eye astronomy, there is no reason why you should not identify 5 planets with a year.</p>

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2021-12-30T11:39:12.223Z
The word planet, literally meaning *wandering [star]*
Valorum
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James K
<p>If you were using unaided observations and were unfamiliar with astronomy (and maybe just pen and paper for recording anything), how long should it take to notice that Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn move independently of the &quot;fixed stars&quot;? Would some planets be easier or harder to notice than others? I assume that Jupiter and Saturn would be somewhat difficult because they move so slowly and Mercury might be difficult to make observations of at all, but that is just my naive first impression.</p>

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2021-12-29T21:04:14.020Z
Should we assume that our hypothetical observer is just casually glancing at the sky (in which case they might never notice) or are they making careful observations and records with the intent to find any "wandering stars" (the planets move enough each day for a careful observer to notice almost immediately if they are actively looking) So the answer could be anything between "right away" and "never".
James K
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2021-12-29T21:17:13.050Z
It's also much easier to notice changes in relative terms, So if Jupiter is very close to Regulus one day, and you look next week it would obviously have moved. On the other hand if Jupiter happened to be far from any bright fixed stars, it would be much harder to casually notice movement.
James K
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2021-12-30T08:23:52.367Z
For my part, I really think I would have lived my whole life without realizing that the celestial sphere rotates, had I not been told. I think that this really comes down to the personality of the observer.
adam.baker
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2021-12-30T13:40:45.097Z
To @JamesK - I was thinking of someone who didn't have any astronomy knowledge, but had the time and curiosity to study the sky. I don't know enough about the state of mind of people, say, 10,000 years ago - so I tried to keep the question more general.
David Rouse
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2021-12-30T15:38:48.813Z
Not really a full answer, so adding as a comment. Aside from their motion, the planets should catch your eye pretty quickly on brightness alone. If you've ever looked up and seen a star and thought "that's a really bright star!", you were probably looking at a planet. The 5 planets visible to the naked eye all stand out purely due to their brightness. Take a look at the [list of objects by apparent brightness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude#List_of_apparent_magnitudes) and you'll see all five planets' mean brightness is brighter than almost every star in the sky.
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How long would it take to realize there are "star-like objects" (i.e. planets) that change position in respect to the "fixed stars"?
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# How long would it take to realize there are "star-like objects" (i.e. planets) that change position in respect to the "fixed stars"?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-12-29)

If you were using unaided observations and were unfamiliar with astronomy (and maybe just pen and paper for recording anything), how long should it take to notice that Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn move independently of the "fixed stars"? Would some planets be easier or harder to notice than others? I assume that Jupiter and Saturn would be somewhat difficult because they move so slowly and Mercury might be difficult to make observations of at all, but that is just my naive first impression.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Should we assume that our hypothetical observer is just casually glancing at the sky (in which case they might never notice) or are they making careful observations and records with the intent to find any "wandering stars" (the planets move enough each day for a careful observer to notice almost immediately if they are actively looking) So the answer could be anything between "right away" and "never".  
> **username_1**: It's also much easier to notice changes in relative terms, So if Jupiter is very close to Regulus one day, and you look next week it would obviously have moved. On the other hand if Jupiter happened to be far from any bright fixed stars, it would be much harder to casually notice movement.  
> **username_2**: For my part, I really think I would have lived my whole life without realizing that the celestial sphere rotates, had I not been told. I think that this really comes down to the personality of the observer.  
> **username_0**: To @JamesK - I was thinking of someone who didn't have any astronomy knowledge, but had the time and curiosity to study the sky. I don't know enough about the state of mind of people, say, 10,000 years ago - so I tried to keep the question more general.  
> **username_3**: Not really a full answer, so adding as a comment. Aside from their motion, the planets should catch your eye pretty quickly on brightness alone. If you've ever looked up and seen a star and thought "that's a really bright star!", you were probably looking at a planet. The 5 planets visible to the naked eye all stand out purely due to their brightness. Take a look at the [list of objects by apparent brightness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude#List_of_apparent_magnitudes) and you'll see all five planets' mean brightness is brighter than almost every star in the sky.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2021-12-29. Score: 13 | Accepted answer

It could take a day to discover a planet, if the stars align (literally), and then probably less than a year to find all five planets.

On the 3rd of April 2020 you happen to look up and you notice that the evening star is right in the middle of the Seven sisters (you know the seven sisters because it does look rather special in the sky and the evening star is so bright, so this combination is quite noticeable.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/wgsKp.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/wgsKp.png)

"Has it always been in the seven sisters?" you think to yourself, surely I'd have noticed... so next night you look again.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/GVZPX.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/GVZPX.png)

To your surprise, it has moved noticeably over one night!

From now on you are actively looking for these special moving stars. Over the summer of 2020 you notice two bright stars in the southern sky, and they are clearly further apart at the end of summer than they were at the start. Looking carefully over the summer reveals that they both moved relative to the constellations.
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/qyIsP.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/qyIsP.png)

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/bNBKD.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/bNBKD.png)

And then in the winter of 2020 into the spring of 2021 you watch as a bright red star move closer and closer to the "V" of the hyades.

Mercury is always hard to spot, but as soon as you do (perhaps in the mornings of July 2020) you know it moves, because it simply isn't in a place where a star is, it moves so fast that its motion is quite obvious.

With naked eye astronomy, there is no reason why you should not identify 5 planets with a year.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: The word planet, literally meaning *wandering [star]*  

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