<p>You often hear the phrase: <em>Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light</em>. Which is of course wrong. Public knowledge of physics is filled with somewhat true, but slightly wrong statements from physics. Something just seems to get garbled when taken from the real theories and converted into something the average bystander could understand. A more correct statement would be: <em>Information cannot travel through spacetime faster than the speed of light</em>.</p>

<p>Note the two important parts this: <em>Information</em> and <em>through spacetime</em>. This allows for plenty of cases where something can actually travel faster than light. For example, a galaxy may recede from us at speeds greater than light (and many are) because those galaxies are not travelling <em>through</em> spacetime. Rather spacetime itself is expanding and that can expand as fast as it pleases. Special relativity doesn't limit the expansion speed of spacetime itself, only information traveling through spacetime.</p>

<p>Another example is the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox" rel="nofollow noreferrer">EPR paradox</a> by which particles may be quantum entangled and somehow "communicate" over vast distances instantly to achieve the same quantum state at the same time. Clearly if the particles are actually communicating with each other, they'd have to do so at speeds faster than the speed of light. The key in this case is that no <em>information</em> can be transferred between the two particles. That is, they can seemingly know about each others' state via FTL communication but this fact does not allow one to transmit information back and forth (e.g., sending ones and zeros to transmit a message). Since no information can be exchanged FTL this is not a violation of SR.</p>

<p><sub>FWIW, I'm not sure if you're being facetious concerning your "loud explosion" comment, but the Big Bang most certainly wasn't an explosion.</sub></p>

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  <p>It was a loud explosion</p>
</blockquote>

<p>First, we have to clarify what the Big Bang was. The name is a misnomer, as it was neither loud nor an explosion. All we know is that the Universe is currently expanding — that is, space is literally being created between all matter. We have plenty of answers here explaining this more intuitively, such as <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/13999/how-does-the-concept-of-a-universe-with-no-center-work/14002#14002">mine</a> (which also answers your question about its implications on special relativity).</p>

<p>Anyway, if we were to look further back in time, we'd expect there to be less and less space between matter. Our equations tell us that at 13.8 billion years in the past, the amount of space in the Universe should have been zero.</p>

<p>This is a problem. In general relativity, you can't have a metric with zero space. Thus, we know general relativity is incomplete. It cannot explain what happened at the moment of the Big Bang.</p>

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  <p>[the] universe came to existence</p>
</blockquote>

<p>No such claim is made. All we know is that <em>something</em> must have happened back then. Our current physical models do not accurately represent the extremely early Universe.</p>

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  <p>Hence my question is that everything is traveling faster than the speed of light?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>The expansion of the Universe is not happening at the same rate as it was back then. It is slow enough that everything within our Hubble sphere is receding at a lower velocity.</p>

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Time axis came into existence at the big bang too. It probably participated in the general "inflation at greater than the speed of light" as well. It's quite easy to hurt yourself thinking about the expansion of a time axis. Did a millisecond become a million years, or what? That sort of thing. Best to leave our everyday mammalian impressions of space-time behind, and just stick with the math.
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@WayfaringStranger I made a point to be wary of saying anything was "created" at the Big Bang. That is near the point where our physical theories fail to describe the universe. We don't know what it truly was.
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@SirCumference Yes, you did. I just wanted to point out that it's not only space we're talking about here, but space-time. Lotta people space off the bit after the hyphen when they think about the big bang.
Wayfaring Stranger
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Everything is receding at v < c within the Hubble sphere, and always has been, _by definition_. But there's really nothing special about the Hubble sphere, and the remaining ~97% of the observable Universe recedes at v > c.
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@pela I think you misunderstood what I meant. I said that the entire universe clearly cannot be receding at $c$, since the entire Hubble sphere comprises non-superluminal galaxies.
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Okay, I see. I still think that sentence gives the impression that "everything is not receding at $c$ because expansion is slower now than during inflation", though. But during inflation it was exactly the same as today, except that the Hubble sphere was much, much smaller. Some parts recede at v < c, some parts recede at v > c, and it has always been like that. But maybe it's just me…
pela
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I understand your last statement as pela did and it seems quite detrimental to your, otherwise nice, answer...
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Sir Cumference
<p>I do not fully understand how space and time do what they do. </p>

<p>But I'm sure that "<em>universe expanding faster than speed of light</em>" doesn't mean that <strong><em>locally, something</em></strong> (i.e. any bit of information) is moving faster than light. It means to me that particles that already are too far away to exchange any information are <em>becoming increasingly separated by "space"</em> at a rate that can be arbitrarily big.</p>

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<p>So the story goes like this:</p>

<p>A long time ago, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe" rel="nofollow noreferrer">13.799±0.021 billion years</a> to be exact, something happened. It was a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang" rel="nofollow noreferrer">big bang, <strike>loud explosion</a></strike> and universe came to existence. It grew and grew, and now we know that the observable universe is about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe" rel="nofollow noreferrer">93 billion light years</a> in diameter. So it means that</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>objects that were once close ... are now up to around 45.7 billion
  light years away rather than up to 13.799 billion light years away ...</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Hence my question is that everything is traveling faster than the speed of light?</p>

<p>If it is, then what does it mean in terms of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity" rel="nofollow noreferrer">special relativity</a>?</p>

<hr>

<p>I did read:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/1948/698">Is the universe expanding faster than speed of light?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/1860/698">How fast is the universe expanding?</a></li>
</ul>

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What I think I know is since space-time can be stretched, light just takes longer to travel between us and a galaxy far, far away. So next logical question is what does it stretch into? I'm not sure it wasn't mentioned in the textbook!
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How can the universe be expanding faster than speed of light?
Farhan
# How can the universe be expanding faster than speed of light?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-10-12)

So the story goes like this:

A long time ago, [13.799±0.021 billion years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe) to be exact, something happened. It was a [big bang, loud explosion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang) and universe came to existence. It grew and grew, and now we know that the observable universe is about [93 billion light years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe) in diameter. So it means that

> objects that were once close ... are now up to around 45.7 billion
> light years away rather than up to 13.799 billion light years away ...

Hence my question is that everything is traveling faster than the speed of light?

If it is, then what does it mean in terms of [special relativity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity)?

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I did read:

* [Is the universe expanding faster than speed of light?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/1948/698)
* [How fast is the universe expanding?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/1860/698)

**Tags:** universe, light, big-bang-theory, expansion, observable-universe

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: What I think I know is since space-time can be stretched, light just takes longer to travel between us and a galaxy far, far away. So next logical question is what does it stretch into? I'm not sure it wasn't mentioned in the textbook!  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2017-10-12. Score: 5

You often hear the phrase: *Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light*. Which is of course wrong. Public knowledge of physics is filled with somewhat true, but slightly wrong statements from physics. Something just seems to get garbled when taken from the real theories and converted into something the average bystander could understand. A more correct statement would be: *Information cannot travel through spacetime faster than the speed of light*.

Note the two important parts this: *Information* and *through spacetime*. This allows for plenty of cases where something can actually travel faster than light. For example, a galaxy may recede from us at speeds greater than light (and many are) because those galaxies are not travelling *through* spacetime. Rather spacetime itself is expanding and that can expand as fast as it pleases. Special relativity doesn't limit the expansion speed of spacetime itself, only information traveling through spacetime.

Another example is the [EPR paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox) by which particles may be quantum entangled and somehow "communicate" over vast distances instantly to achieve the same quantum state at the same time. Clearly if the particles are actually communicating with each other, they'd have to do so at speeds faster than the speed of light. The key in this case is that no *information* can be transferred between the two particles. That is, they can seemingly know about each others' state via FTL communication but this fact does not allow one to transmit information back and forth (e.g., sending ones and zeros to transmit a message). Since no information can be exchanged FTL this is not a violation of SR.

FWIW, I'm not sure if you're being facetious concerning your "loud explosion" comment, but the Big Bang most certainly wasn't an explosion.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2017-10-12. Score: 5

> It was a loud explosion

First, we have to clarify what the Big Bang was. The name is a misnomer, as it was neither loud nor an explosion. All we know is that the Universe is currently expanding — that is, space is literally being created between all matter. We have plenty of answers here explaining this more intuitively, such as [mine](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/13999/how-does-the-concept-of-a-universe-with-no-center-work/14002#14002) (which also answers your question about its implications on special relativity).

Anyway, if we were to look further back in time, we'd expect there to be less and less space between matter. Our equations tell us that at 13.8 billion years in the past, the amount of space in the Universe should have been zero.

This is a problem. In general relativity, you can't have a metric with zero space. Thus, we know general relativity is incomplete. It cannot explain what happened at the moment of the Big Bang.

> [the] universe came to existence

No such claim is made. All we know is that *something* must have happened back then. Our current physical models do not accurately represent the extremely early Universe.

> Hence my question is that everything is traveling faster than the speed of light?

The expansion of the Universe is not happening at the same rate as it was back then. It is slow enough that everything within our Hubble sphere is receding at a lower velocity.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: Time axis came into existence at the big bang too. It probably participated in the general "inflation at greater than the speed of light" as well. It's quite easy to hurt yourself thinking about the expansion of a time axis. Did a millisecond become a million years, or what? That sort of thing. Best to leave our everyday mammalian impressions of space-time behind, and just stick with the math.  
> **username_3**: @WayfaringStranger I made a point to be wary of saying anything was "created" at the Big Bang. That is near the point where our physical theories fail to describe the universe. We don't know what it truly was.  
> **username_4**: @SirCumference Yes, you did. I just wanted to point out that it's not only space we're talking about here, but space-time. Lotta people space off the bit after the hyphen when they think about the big bang.  
> **username_5**: Everything is receding at v < c within the Hubble sphere, and always has been, _by definition_. But there's really nothing special about the Hubble sphere, and the remaining ~97% of the observable Universe recedes at v > c.  
> **username_3**: @username_5 I think you misunderstood what I meant. I said that the entire universe clearly cannot be receding at $c$, since the entire Hubble sphere comprises non-superluminal galaxies.  
> **username_5**: Okay, I see. I still think that sentence gives the impression that "everything is not receding at $c$ because expansion is slower now than during inflation", though. But during inflation it was exactly the same as today, except that the Hubble sphere was much, much smaller. Some parts recede at v < c, some parts recede at v > c, and it has always been like that. But maybe it's just me…  
> **username_6**: I understand your last statement as username_5 did and it seems quite detrimental to your, otherwise nice, answer...  

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### Answer by username_7 on 2017-10-13. Score: 1

I do not fully understand how space and time do what they do.

But I'm sure that "*universe expanding faster than speed of light*" doesn't mean that ***locally, something*** (i.e. any bit of information) is moving faster than light. It means to me that particles that already are too far away to exchange any information are *becoming increasingly separated by "space"* at a rate that can be arbitrarily big.


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