<p>Here is a wild guess.  &quot;Billions and billons&quot; of stars orbit the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.  The graitational center of mass of the Milky Way Galaxy is occupied by a supermassive black hole with many other objects orbiting it closely.  That black hole might count as a &quot;world&quot; of sorts.</p>
<p>All of the billions of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy orbit around their common center of mass.  But since there is a super massive black hole in that center, perhaps formed from many stellar mass black holes which spiraled down into the center and merged together, someone could claim that all of those stars orbit around the super massive black hole.</p>
<p>And thus all the planets which orbit the stars that orbit the center of the galaxy, and all of the moons which orbit those planets which orbit those stars, could be considered to orbit around the black hole at the center of the galaxy.</p>
<p>And of course astronomers have now detected rogue planets in interstellar space, planets which don't orbit any star but only orbit the center of mass of the galaxy.  And of course, for every object of planetary mass, many objects of lower mass must have been formed.  So there should be many objects with masses in the range of moon masses orbiting around the center of the galaxy.</p>
<p>So if somone wrote poetically of the supermassive black hole as a &quot;world&quot; and of a million &quot;moons&quot; orbiting it, they would actually be using extreme understatement in the numbers of &quot;moons&quot;.  There should be hundreds of billions, even trillions, of astronomical objects directly orbiting the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and the super massive black hole in that center.</p>
<p>And the same should be true of countless billions of other large galaxies in the universe.</p>
<p>So I am not certain whether Sagan ment the many moon mass objects which should be directly orbiting the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and the supermassive blackhole there, or if Sagan ment Saturn with probably a lot more than a million ring particles.  A lot more than even the &quot;billions and billons&quot; Sagan often wrote and spoke of.  This source estimates there are 3 times 10 to the 16th power ring particles:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/YOSS_Act_5.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/YOSS_Act_5.pdf</a></p>
<p>Or maybe Sagan thought of something else which could be poetically described as a world with a million moons in that passage.</p>

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I mean, he's obviously talking about Saturn.
Jim421616
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<p>This is Saturn.</p>
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<p><strong>Where?</strong></p>
<p>[...] In 1973 we phoned him at his home in Ithaca, NY, for details. Come on where?</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>[Sagan speaks, verbatim] &quot;<em>A world with a million moons</em>. . . is Saturn. The Rings of Saturn are composed of snowballs which are certainly less than a meter across, perhaps ten centimeters across. There are millions of such snowballs making up the rings of Saturn.&quot;</p>
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<p><a href="https://space.nss.org/settlement/nasa/CoEvolutionBook/SPACE.HTML" rel="noreferrer">https://space.nss.org/settlement/nasa/CoEvolutionBook/SPACE.HTML</a></p>

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Great work finding that.
StephenG - Help Ukraine
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James K
<p>I recently read Carl Sagan's <em>The Cosmic Connection</em>. In it, he begins the seventh chapter with a series of claims to depict the universe as &quot;vast and awesome.&quot;</p>
<p>I'm particularly interested in the second claim that he makes, which he does not mention again.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I know of a world with a million moons.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Is anyone aware of which world he might be talking about?</p>

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Saturn comes to mind. All that ring material…
Jon Custer
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@JonCuster I can see where you're going with that, but in a later chapter (Chapter 15, _The Moons of Barsoom_) he mentions "Saturn's ten moons" explicitly, so I don't think that's what he was going for.
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@DreamlessOctober It seems likely he was waxing poetic with the "million moons" line, regardless of what he was referring to (or if, in fact, he was referring to any specific world at all, or just conjuring one up in his imagination).  While later he's being less poetic and more pedagogic. I'm still unsure what he might be doing or referring to either way, but it's something to keep in mind I think.
zibadawa timmy
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@zibadawatimmy I realize that's very possible, and the whole intro to that chapter is very clearly intended to stir up the imagination. However, later lines from that introduction are revisted in later chapters (specifically thinking about the sun "made of diamond" (white dwarfs) and "atomic nuclei a mile across" (neutron stars)). So I'm wondering/hoping that his other claims, even if exaggerated, might be in reference to something particular.
DreamlessOctober
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I suppose upon further thought, Saturn's rings and a healthy dose of poeticism may be the best answers to this question. Seeing as how Wikipedia's [list of exomoons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exomoon#List) has < 25 candidates today and he only wrote about Saturn having 10 moons, it's unlikey that there's anything else he could have known about. I'm still curious to see if anyone knows of any reference indicating what Sagan was writing about here (if anything), but realize that such a source might not exist.
DreamlessOctober
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The "moons" or particles in the rings of Saturn not only gravitationally interact with each other, their collective gravity has a measurable effect on the density of material in Jupiter. So although each particle is pretty small, they do, *collectively* have all the same trappings as larger, more solid and formed moons.
uhoh
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I’m voting to close this question because this is asking for an author's intent, not an actual astronomical phenomenon
Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft there are plenty of questions here asking for clarifications. Sagan is world renowned astrophysicist and science communicator and so the premise that they are communicating a well-recognized fact is probably beyond reproach. The answer is almost certainly ***Saturn's rings*** as discussed above and it's likely with a little review of Sagan's work that can be established. But closing the question blocks any user from having the opportunity to post a well-researched answer, so now there's a completely unnecessary race find Sagan's context before the question-closers shut this down.
uhoh
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@CarlWitthoft remember that a vote to close is in reality vote to prevent everybody else from answering. The only thing guaranteed about a question being closed is that everybody is now blocked from writing an answer post and from an opportunity to read other people's answers.
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Which world did Carl Sagan know of with a million moons?
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# Which world did Carl Sagan know of with a million moons?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-07-06)

I recently read Carl Sagan's *The Cosmic Connection*. In it, he begins the seventh chapter with a series of claims to depict the universe as "vast and awesome."

I'm particularly interested in the second claim that he makes, which he does not mention again.

> I know of a world with a million moons.

Is anyone aware of which world he might be talking about?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Saturn comes to mind. All that ring material…  
> **username_0**: @JonCuster I can see where you're going with that, but in a later chapter (Chapter 15, _The Moons of Barsoom_) he mentions "Saturn's ten moons" explicitly, so I don't think that's what he was going for.  
> **username_2**: @username_0 It seems likely he was waxing poetic with the "million moons" line, regardless of what he was referring to (or if, in fact, he was referring to any specific world at all, or just conjuring one up in his imagination).  While later he's being less poetic and more pedagogic. I'm still unsure what he might be doing or referring to either way, but it's something to keep in mind I think.  
> **username_0**: @zibadawatimmy I realize that's very possible, and the whole intro to that chapter is very clearly intended to stir up the imagination. However, later lines from that introduction are revisted in later chapters (specifically thinking about the sun "made of diamond" (white dwarfs) and "atomic nuclei a mile across" (neutron stars)). So I'm wondering/hoping that his other claims, even if exaggerated, might be in reference to something particular.  
> **username_0**: I suppose upon further thought, Saturn's rings and a healthy dose of poeticism may be the best answers to this question. Seeing as how Wikipedia's [list of exomoons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exomoon#List) has < 25 candidates today and he only wrote about Saturn having 10 moons, it's unlikey that there's anything else he could have known about. I'm still curious to see if anyone knows of any reference indicating what Sagan was writing about here (if anything), but realize that such a source might not exist.  
> **username_3**: The "moons" or particles in the rings of Saturn not only gravitationally interact with each other, their collective gravity has a measurable effect on the density of material in Jupiter. So although each particle is pretty small, they do, *collectively* have all the same trappings as larger, more solid and formed moons.  
> **username_4**: I’m voting to close this question because this is asking for an author's intent, not an actual astronomical phenomenon  
> **username_3**: @CarlWitthoft there are plenty of questions here asking for clarifications. Sagan is world renowned astrophysicist and science communicator and so the premise that they are communicating a well-recognized fact is probably beyond reproach. The answer is almost certainly ***Saturn's rings*** as discussed above and it's likely with a little review of Sagan's work that can be established. But closing the question blocks any user from having the opportunity to post a well-researched answer, so now there's a completely unnecessary race find Sagan's context before the question-closers shut this down.  
> **username_3**: @CarlWitthoft remember that a vote to close is in reality vote to prevent everybody else from answering. The only thing guaranteed about a question being closed is that everybody is now blocked from writing an answer post and from an opportunity to read other people's answers.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_7 on 2022-07-06. Score: 6 | Accepted answer

This is Saturn.

> **Where?**
>
> [...] In 1973 we phoned him at his home in Ithaca, NY, for details. Come on where?
>
> [...]
>
> [Sagan speaks, verbatim] "*A world with a million moons*. . . is Saturn. The Rings of Saturn are composed of snowballs which are certainly less than a meter across, perhaps ten centimeters across. There are millions of such snowballs making up the rings of Saturn."

<https://space.nss.org/settlement/nasa/CoEvolutionBook/SPACE.HTML>

> **Comments:**
> **username_8**: Great work finding that.  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2022-07-06. Score: -2

Here is a wild guess. "Billions and billons" of stars orbit the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. The graitational center of mass of the Milky Way Galaxy is occupied by a supermassive black hole with many other objects orbiting it closely. That black hole might count as a "world" of sorts.

All of the billions of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy orbit around their common center of mass. But since there is a super massive black hole in that center, perhaps formed from many stellar mass black holes which spiraled down into the center and merged together, someone could claim that all of those stars orbit around the super massive black hole.

And thus all the planets which orbit the stars that orbit the center of the galaxy, and all of the moons which orbit those planets which orbit those stars, could be considered to orbit around the black hole at the center of the galaxy.

And of course astronomers have now detected rogue planets in interstellar space, planets which don't orbit any star but only orbit the center of mass of the galaxy. And of course, for every object of planetary mass, many objects of lower mass must have been formed. So there should be many objects with masses in the range of moon masses orbiting around the center of the galaxy.

So if somone wrote poetically of the supermassive black hole as a "world" and of a million "moons" orbiting it, they would actually be using extreme understatement in the numbers of "moons". There should be hundreds of billions, even trillions, of astronomical objects directly orbiting the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and the super massive black hole in that center.

And the same should be true of countless billions of other large galaxies in the universe.

So I am not certain whether Sagan ment the many moon mass objects which should be directly orbiting the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and the supermassive blackhole there, or if Sagan ment Saturn with probably a lot more than a million ring particles. A lot more than even the "billions and billons" Sagan often wrote and spoke of. This source estimates there are 3 times 10 to the 16th power ring particles:

<https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/YOSS_Act_5.pdf>

Or maybe Sagan thought of something else which could be poetically described as a world with a million moons in that passage.

> **Comments:**
> **username_6**: I mean, he's obviously talking about Saturn.  

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