<p>I think you are overlooking these factors:</p>

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<li>Iowa State University is at 42 degrees North latitude, so the Sun and celestial equator that they are showing in their figures are always to the south at the meridian. Naturally, observers in the southern hemisphere would see the sun and celestial equator to their north at the meridian.</li>
<li>The lines of right ascension go from pole-to-pole.</li>
<li>So the hour angle that the website is describing is the angle between the plane of the meridian and the plane of right ascension. This angle applies regardless of where you look in the sky: north, south, or overhead.</li>
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2017-10-03T17:31:24.347Z
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JohnHoltz
<p>The northern reference point is used in navigation.
The southern reference point is used in positional astronomy.
This is purely a convention, and as long as you know what reference point angles refer to, there should be no confusion.</p>

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2017-10-12T20:47:48.160Z
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Petoetje59
<p>The book “Foundations of Astrophysics” by Ryden and Peterson states that one measures azimuth in the horizontal coordinate system eastwards starting on the northernmost point of the horizon circle. Thus, east becomes 90 degrees, et cetera. Wikipedia and other sites back this up.</p>

<p>However, it seems as if the position of the vernal equinox is always given relative to the southern part of an observer’s celestial meridian. During the vernal equinox, the sun culminates in the south, setting the siderial time to 0h0min. Knowing the difference between the local siderial time and a star’s right ascension gives you the current position of a star, relative to the southern half of the celestial meridian.</p>

<p>This website describes this too: <a href="http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/NorthStar/Unit4/unit4_sub2.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/NorthStar/Unit4/unit4_sub2.htm</a></p>

<p>Did I miss something? We so explicitly defined azimuth as being relative to the most northern point on the meridian. Now we’re doing all our measurments relative to the south. I’m not complaining: stars culminate in the south, so this makes it easier. But where did we switch? And when must I switch? Did I make a mistake somewhere?</p>

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How to deal with the celestial meridian?
Heatherfield
# How to deal with the celestial meridian?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-10-01)

The book “Foundations of Astrophysics” by Ryden and Peterson states that one measures azimuth in the horizontal coordinate system eastwards starting on the northernmost point of the horizon circle. Thus, east becomes 90 degrees, et cetera. Wikipedia and other sites back this up.

However, it seems as if the position of the vernal equinox is always given relative to the southern part of an observer’s celestial meridian. During the vernal equinox, the sun culminates in the south, setting the siderial time to 0h0min. Knowing the difference between the local siderial time and a star’s right ascension gives you the current position of a star, relative to the southern half of the celestial meridian.

This website describes this too: <http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/NorthStar/Unit4/unit4_sub2.htm>

Did I miss something? We so explicitly defined azimuth as being relative to the most northern point on the meridian. Now we’re doing all our measurments relative to the south. I’m not complaining: stars culminate in the south, so this makes it easier. But where did we switch? And when must I switch? Did I make a mistake somewhere?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2017-10-03. Score: 1

I think you are overlooking these factors:

1. Iowa State University is at 42 degrees North latitude, so the Sun and celestial equator that they are showing in their figures are always to the south at the meridian. Naturally, observers in the southern hemisphere would see the sun and celestial equator to their north at the meridian.
2. The lines of right ascension go from pole-to-pole.
3. So the hour angle that the website is describing is the angle between the plane of the meridian and the plane of right ascension. This angle applies regardless of where you look in the sky: north, south, or overhead.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2017-10-12. Score: 0

The northern reference point is used in navigation.
The southern reference point is used in positional astronomy.
This is purely a convention, and as long as you know what reference point angles refer to, there should be no confusion.


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