<p>Most of your assumptions are correct.</p>
<p>However, right ascension and declination are an <em>equatorial</em> system, while (heliocentric or geocentric) longitude and latitude are an <em>ecliptic</em> system. The reference planes <strong>do not</strong> coincide, even though the main reference point, the vernal equinox, does—this is because that point is where the ecliptic crosses the equator from south to north, so both planes coincide there and at the automnal equinox.</p>
<p>This means too that stars’ declinations <strong>do not</strong> coincide with latitudes. A conversion is needed between the two:</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$ \displaystyle \tan \lambda = \frac { \sin \alpha \cos \epsilon + \tan \delta \sin \epsilon } { \cos \alpha } $</span></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$ \displaystyle \sin \beta = \sin \delta \cos \epsilon - \cos \delta \sin \epsilon \sin \alpha $</span></p>
<p>and in the reverse,</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$ \displaystyle \tan \alpha = \frac { \sin \lambda \cos \epsilon - \tan \beta \sin \epsilon } { \cos \lambda } $</span></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$ \displaystyle \sin \delta = \sin \beta \cos \epsilon + \cos \beta \sin \epsilon \sin \lambda $</span></p>
<p>where ε is the obliquity of Earth on its orbit (approx. 23° 27′), α and δ are the right ascension and declination, and λ and β are the longitude and latitude.</p>
<p>Your assumption that stars are so distant that it doesn’t matter whether their position is measured with respect to the Sun or with respect to the Earth (although technically, it’s with respect to the Sun, as we average out positions measured throughout the year, which are affected by aberration and—barely—by parallax), so these formulas are OK for the stars, but you would need to convert <em>heliocentric</em> λ and β to <em>geocentric</em> λ and β should you need to convert planetary positions.</p>

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This is really helpful, merci beaucoup.
DavidBriz
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Pierre Paquette
<p>This is my first ever online question, so please bear with me:</p>
<p>I’m working on an A1-sized map of at least 100 of the largest solar system bodies (henceforth just called <em>‘planets’,</em> ignorning the IAU definition), including moons, spacecraft and the nearest stars. This is just a hobby, and I’ve got no academic experience.</p>
<p>I’ve got the planets’ heliocentric longitudes, latitudes and distances from JPL <em>Horizons</em>, and the stars’ right ascensions, declinations and distances from Wikipedia (unless there are better sources?). I’d like to check that I’m plotting hours right ascension correctly onto my map, which uses degrees longitude for direction. I’ve attached a rough sketch, depicted looking <em>‘down’</em> from above the ecliptic.  I always put 0° longitude on the left so that Pluto is towards the top.
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/krxma.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/krxma.jpg" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Are these assumptions correct?</strong></p>
<p>— that 0h right ascension is the same direction as 0° longitude?</p>
<p>— that hours of right ascension increase anti-clockwise in the same direction as degrees longitude?
— that 6h right ascension is the same direction as 90° longitude, 12h = 180° and 18h = 270°?</p>
<p>— if these are correct, are my star directions correct, so that Barnard’s Star would be at the top of the page in the vague direction of Pluto, and Alpha Centauri is roughly the same direction from the Sun as Earth is in June?</p>
<p>— the planets’ locations are heliocentric, but presumably star coordinates are geocentric, but as we’re so close to our Sun in astronomical terms, would it make much difference, or is there a source of heliocentric coordinates for stars?</p>
<p>— I’ve assumed that stars’ degrees declination are the same direction as planets’ degrees latitude, so that if a star’s declination is +45°, is that the same latitudinal direction as a planet which is 45° above the ecliptic?</p>
<p>I’m plotting each planets’ location over the period of my lifetime, to get a better understanding of what’s around us, and how it changes over time. The distance scale will be quasi-logarithmic, and will be enlargened around planets to show some moons.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/KnHPP.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/KnHPP.jpg" alt="enter image description here" /></a>
The final map will therefore be a cross between the map on the left <em>(Reddit/dawierha),</em> showing planets with moons and trojans, and the map on the right <em>(Wikipedia/Voyager 1),</em> showing planets and spacecraft over a period of decades. I’ve never found a map which shows more than a few dozen planets with logarithmic scales, and/or which shows planets with moons, and/or which shows locations over time.
Sorry this question is so long, but I’ve edited it down as much as I can! Thank you.</p>
<p>PS: One more excellent map that I found is this one from <a href="https://eleanorlutz.com/mapping-18000-asteroids" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://eleanorlutz.com/mapping-18000-asteroids</a> — I think it's very beautiful, probably the best that I've found so far:
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/gOs9U.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/gOs9U.jpg" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>

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Welcome to astronomy SE, and thank you for the nice question!
B--rian
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I suspect you have some confusion between ecliptic and equatorial coordinate systems. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_coordinate_system
PM 2Ring
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@PM thanks for the feedback; I believe the main difference is that equatorial coordinates are geocentric, but ecliptic are heliocentric. I hope that as our nearest stars are 260,000 – 500,000 AU away, using geocentric coordinates to find the direction from the Sun shouldn’t make much difference for a map only for my personal use (but obviously no good for navigation!). I’ve found this source of galactic coordinates (which I think have a different 0° point), but I haven’t found a source of ecliptic coordinates:
http://www.icc.dur.ac.uk/~tt/Lectures/Galaxies/LocalGroup/Back/50lys.html
DavidBriz
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Traditionally, both systems were geocentric, but you can also have heliocentric versions of either system. The main difference is that the horizontal plane of the equatorial system is the celestial equator, but the horizontal plane of the ecliptic system is the ecliptic plane, i.e., the orbital plane of the Earth.
PM 2Ring
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@PM 2Ring thank you; so presumably that difference would only create discrepancies in latitude/declination. As my map is mostly 2D, that's acceptable.
DavidBriz
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If it is a 2D representation, I don't understand why you are bothered with declination and latitude (your last bullet question)? My initial interpretation of your question is indeed that you want to approximately equate (correlate?) two angular measurements, (a) RA, defined in the Equatorial plane and (b) Celestial Longitude, defined in the Ecliptic plane. In essence, my interpretation of your question is: if I know by how much to turn in one plane, am I very far off if I turn in the other plane by the same angle?
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Is this how stars’ right ascensions correlate to planets’ longitudes on a 2d map?
DavidBriz
# Is this how stars’ right ascensions correlate to planets’ longitudes on a 2d map?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-06-02)

This is my first ever online question, so please bear with me:

I’m working on an A1-sized map of at least 100 of the largest solar system bodies (henceforth just called *‘planets’,* ignorning the IAU definition), including moons, spacecraft and the nearest stars. This is just a hobby, and I’ve got no academic experience.

I’ve got the planets’ heliocentric longitudes, latitudes and distances from JPL *Horizons*, and the stars’ right ascensions, declinations and distances from Wikipedia (unless there are better sources?). I’d like to check that I’m plotting hours right ascension correctly onto my map, which uses degrees longitude for direction. I’ve attached a rough sketch, depicted looking *‘down’* from above the ecliptic. I always put 0° longitude on the left so that Pluto is towards the top.
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/krxma.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/krxma.jpg)

**Are these assumptions correct?**

— that 0h right ascension is the same direction as 0° longitude?

— that hours of right ascension increase anti-clockwise in the same direction as degrees longitude?
— that 6h right ascension is the same direction as 90° longitude, 12h = 180° and 18h = 270°?

— if these are correct, are my star directions correct, so that Barnard’s Star would be at the top of the page in the vague direction of Pluto, and Alpha Centauri is roughly the same direction from the Sun as Earth is in June?

— the planets’ locations are heliocentric, but presumably star coordinates are geocentric, but as we’re so close to our Sun in astronomical terms, would it make much difference, or is there a source of heliocentric coordinates for stars?

— I’ve assumed that stars’ degrees declination are the same direction as planets’ degrees latitude, so that if a star’s declination is +45°, is that the same latitudinal direction as a planet which is 45° above the ecliptic?

I’m plotting each planets’ location over the period of my lifetime, to get a better understanding of what’s around us, and how it changes over time. The distance scale will be quasi-logarithmic, and will be enlargened around planets to show some moons.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/KnHPP.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/KnHPP.jpg)
The final map will therefore be a cross between the map on the left *(Reddit/dawierha),* showing planets with moons and trojans, and the map on the right *(Wikipedia/Voyager 1),* showing planets and spacecraft over a period of decades. I’ve never found a map which shows more than a few dozen planets with logarithmic scales, and/or which shows planets with moons, and/or which shows locations over time.
Sorry this question is so long, but I’ve edited it down as much as I can! Thank you.

PS: One more excellent map that I found is this one from <https://eleanorlutz.com/mapping-18000-asteroids> — I think it's very beautiful, probably the best that I've found so far:
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/gOs9U.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/gOs9U.jpg)

**Tags:** planet, solar-system, coordinate, right-ascension, star-maps

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Welcome to astronomy SE, and thank you for the nice question!  
> **username_2**: I suspect you have some confusion between ecliptic and equatorial coordinate systems. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_coordinate_system  
> **username_0**: @PM thanks for the feedback; I believe the main difference is that equatorial coordinates are geocentric, but ecliptic are heliocentric. I hope that as our nearest stars are 260,000 – 500,000 AU away, using geocentric coordinates to find the direction from the Sun shouldn’t make much difference for a map only for my personal use (but obviously no good for navigation!). I’ve found this source of galactic coordinates (which I think have a different 0° point), but I haven’t found a source of ecliptic coordinates: http://www.icc.dur.ac.uk/~tt/Lectures/Galaxies/LocalGroup/Back/50lys.html  
> **username_2**: Traditionally, both systems were geocentric, but you can also have heliocentric versions of either system. The main difference is that the horizontal plane of the equatorial system is the celestial equator, but the horizontal plane of the ecliptic system is the ecliptic plane, i.e., the orbital plane of the Earth.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 thank you; so presumably that difference would only create discrepancies in latitude/declination. As my map is mostly 2D, that's acceptable.  
> **username_3**: If it is a 2D representation, I don't understand why you are bothered with declination and latitude (your last bullet question)? My initial interpretation of your question is indeed that you want to approximately equate (correlate?) two angular measurements, (a) RA, defined in the Equatorial plane and (b) Celestial Longitude, defined in the Ecliptic plane. In essence, my interpretation of your question is: if I know by how much to turn in one plane, am I very far off if I turn in the other plane by the same angle?  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2021-06-02. Score: 5 | Accepted answer

Most of your assumptions are correct.

However, right ascension and declination are an *equatorial* system, while (heliocentric or geocentric) longitude and latitude are an *ecliptic* system. The reference planes **do not** coincide, even though the main reference point, the vernal equinox, does—this is because that point is where the ecliptic crosses the equator from south to north, so both planes coincide there and at the automnal equinox.

This means too that stars’ declinations **do not** coincide with latitudes. A conversion is needed between the two:

$ \displaystyle \tan \lambda = \frac { \sin \alpha \cos \epsilon + \tan \delta \sin \epsilon } { \cos \alpha } $

and

$ \displaystyle \sin \beta = \sin \delta \cos \epsilon - \cos \delta \sin \epsilon \sin \alpha $

and in the reverse,

$ \displaystyle \tan \alpha = \frac { \sin \lambda \cos \epsilon - \tan \beta \sin \epsilon } { \cos \lambda } $

and

$ \displaystyle \sin \delta = \sin \beta \cos \epsilon + \cos \beta \sin \epsilon \sin \lambda $

where ε is the obliquity of Earth on its orbit (approx. 23° 27′), α and δ are the right ascension and declination, and λ and β are the longitude and latitude.

Your assumption that stars are so distant that it doesn’t matter whether their position is measured with respect to the Sun or with respect to the Earth (although technically, it’s with respect to the Sun, as we average out positions measured throughout the year, which are affected by aberration and—barely—by parallax), so these formulas are OK for the stars, but you would need to convert *heliocentric* λ and β to *geocentric* λ and β should you need to convert planetary positions.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: This is really helpful, merci beaucoup.  

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