<p>The brightness of light received from a light source (or an object that reflects light) is inversely proportional to the square of the distance.</p>
<p>So if an astronomical object A which reflects light from the Sun back to Earth orbits at a distance of two AU from the Sun and an idental astronomic object B orbits at twice that distance, or at 4 AU, how much light will Earth get from the two objects at their oppositions?</p>
<p>Since object B is twice as far away from the Sun as object A, it's surface receives one quarter as much light from the Sun as object A.  Since object B will be three tiems as far from Earth at opposition as object A will be at opposition, its reflected light will be one ninth as bright.  So together, those two factors will make the light that Earth gets from object at its opposition one thirty sixth, or 0.02777, as bright as the light that Earth gets from object A at its opposition.</p>
<p>So the farther away from the Sun an astronomical object is, the less bright its reflected light will be as seen from Earth.</p>
<p>And if an object C has a higher albedo, or is more reflective than object D of the same size, it will seem brighter at the same distance.</p>
<p>The brighter a solar system object is as seen from Earth, the sooner it will be noticed and discovered.  The dimmer a solar system object is as seen from Earth, the longer it can remain undiscovered.</p>
<p>Thus the undiscovered objects in the solar system should be the ones which appear fainter as seen from Earth.</p>
<p>They may be fainter and dimmer as seen from Earth because their albedo is lower than objects at the same distance.  Or maybe because they are much smaller than other objects with the same albedo and distance.  Or maybe they are very large objects with high albedos but are very faint because they are very far away.</p>
<p>Over time, astronomers discover dimmer and dimmer objects in the solar system, objects which have darker surfaces, or are smaller, or are much farther from the Sun.</p>
<p>So the largest solar system objects likely to be discovered in the future are likely to be very far fromt he Sun and the Earth and thus appear many times dimmer than objects of equal size in the inner solar system.</p>
<p>You may have heard of the hypothetical Planet Vulcan, inside the orbit of Mercury, once used to explain certain problems with the orbit of Mercury.  It is no known that Vulcan could not possibly exist.  It would have been discovered long ago if it did exist.</p>
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<p>None of these claims has ever been substantiated after more than forty years of observation. It has been surmised that some of these objects—and other alleged intra-Mercurial objects—may exist, being nothing more than previously unknown comets or small asteroids. No vulcanoid asteroids have been found, and searches have ruled out any such asteroids larger than about 6 km (3.7 mi).[4] Neither SOHO nor STEREO has detected a planet inside the orbit of Mercury.[4][23]</p>
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(hypothetical_planet)%5B1%5D" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(hypothetical_planet)[1]</a></p>
<p>The largest solar system objects discovered in recent times have all been beyond the orbit of Neptune, and have been rather small.  Only a few of the largest ones have been large enough to classify as dwarf planets, and they are all smaller than Eerth's moon.</p>
<p>It is possible that there may be one or more as yet undiscovered planets in the outer solar system.  But since there are limits on how bright those planets could be and remain undiscovered, there are limits on how large and/or close they could be.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>As of 2016 the following observations severely constrain the mass and distance of any possible additional Solar System planet:</p>
<p>An analysis of mid-infrared observations with the WISE telescope have ruled out the possibility of a Saturn-sized object (95 Earth masses) out to 10,000 AU, and a Jupiter-sized or larger object out to 26,000 AU.[6] WISE has continued to take more data since then, and NASA has invited the public to help search this data for evidence of planets beyond these limits, via the Backyard Worlds: Planet 9 citizen science project.[96]</p>
<p>Using modern data on the anomalous precession of the perihelia of Saturn, Earth, and Mars, Lorenzo Iorio concluded that any unknown planet with a mass of 0.7 times that of Earth must be farther than 350–400 AU; one with a mass of 2 times that of Earth, farther than 496–570 AU; and finally one with a mass of 15 times that of Earth, farther than 970–1,111 AU.[97] Moreover, Iorio stated that the modern ephemerides of the Solar System outer planets has provided even tighter constraints: no celestial body with a mass of 15 times that of Earth can exist closer than 1,100–1,300 AU.[98] However, work by another group of astronomers using a more comprehensive model of the Solar System found that Iorio's conclusion was only partially correct. Their analysis of Cassini data on Saturn's orbital residuals found that observations were inconsistent with a planetary body with the orbit and mass similar to those of Batygin and Brown's Planet Nine having a true anomaly of −130° to −110° or −65° to 85°. Furthermore, the analysis found that Saturn's orbit is slightly better explained if such a body is located at a true anomaly of 117.8°+11°
−10°. At this location, it would be approximately 630 AU from the Sun.[99]</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_beyond_Neptune%5B2%5D" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_beyond_Neptune[2]</a></p>
<p>New moons of the four giant planets are still being discovered, but the recent discoveries are all of tiny objects, less than 10 kilometers in diameter.</p>

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<p>Much has been said about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Russell's teapot</a>, and I accept as obvious that a teapot would be too small to be detectable in an orbit around the Sun by any reasonable method today, or by any method that can reasonably be expected to develop in the near future. But how small is &quot;too small&quot;? Is it possible that there are bodies the size of Phobos (or even the Moon) in the orbit around Uranus, for example?</p>
<p>If there is anything I know about the Solar System, it's that the gaps in the distances between planets are huge. How can we be sure that there are no large bodies inside those gaps? I guess our observations are mostly based on (the absence of) gravitational anomalies, but how precise are they? Is the &quot;limit of detectability&quot; smaller for orbits around Sun than for much larger orbits e.g. at Jupiter's distance?</p>

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I'm not sure about the specific limits but this XKCD gives a broad idea. https://xkcd.com/1633/
Barry Jenakuns
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This is a great question about current detectability limits of the various observational techniques! I've adjusted the wording a bit to better match the site's style, please check and feel free to edit further. You have added the `natural-satellites` tag, but Russell's teapot would orbit the Sun, not be a satellite of a planet. Do you think that tag should be removed? Since the detectability of moons might be special/different, partly because most planets have been visited by artificial spacecraft able to detect them close-up, maybe that's a different case and shouldn't be considered here?
uhoh
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Yes, I meant literally satellites, since I assumed it would be easier to "hide" a teapot in the orbit around Uranus than in the orbit around the Sun. But if you say it's the other way around, I believe you. (Though I'm not sure how is "visiting by artificial spacecraft" relevant... are you intending to say that we couldn't e.g. successfully launch Pioneer 10 without already knowing about all the Jovian moons?)
Veky
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Any Moon-sized objects around Uranus would likely have been discovered long ago. Triton's 2/3 the diameter of Earth's Moon, orbits Neptune, and has an 1846 discovery date less than a month after Neptune's discovery. All known moons of Uranus are smaller than that.
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Well, that reasoning seems to have an implicit assumption that if object A is larger than object B, and orbits the same body, then it will be discovered earlier. If I read the historic data right, it seems Uran's moons are just the counterexample: they were discovered "out of order". Is something like this impossible to happen today?
Veky
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Where is the Tesla Roadster in space: https://where-is-tesla-roadster.space/live Looks like it's currently slightly *outside* the orbit of Mars.
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@WayfaringStranger that's an ephemerical (ephemeral?) prediction; NASA JPL's [Horizons](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi). See [When was the last time that Starman/Roadster was seen?](https://space.stackexchange.com/q/29921/12102) and also [When will the telescope that last saw Starman/Roadster be able to see it again?](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/43575/12102) and also [Starman is out there, but we probably won’t see him again until 2047](https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/04/starman-is-out-there-but-we-probably-wont-see-him-again-until-2047/)
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@uhoh Yeah, you are right, but I thought it important to ref. the only real, man-made instantiation in the discussion. I'm still upset they did not put a teapot in the glove box.
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@WayfaringStranger I see what you mean, it's the only bit of authentic [space-art](https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/space-art) that's in a heliocentric orbit. Who knows though what's been *stashed* in the glovebox!
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Is a literal instance of Russell's teapot possible?
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# Is a literal instance of Russell's teapot possible?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-09-19)

Much has been said about [Russell's teapot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot), and I accept as obvious that a teapot would be too small to be detectable in an orbit around the Sun by any reasonable method today, or by any method that can reasonably be expected to develop in the near future. But how small is "too small"? Is it possible that there are bodies the size of Phobos (or even the Moon) in the orbit around Uranus, for example?

If there is anything I know about the Solar System, it's that the gaps in the distances between planets are huge. How can we be sure that there are no large bodies inside those gaps? I guess our observations are mostly based on (the absence of) gravitational anomalies, but how precise are they? Is the "limit of detectability" smaller for orbits around Sun than for much larger orbits e.g. at Jupiter's distance?

**Tags:** observational-astronomy, gravity, asteroids, natural-satellites, size

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I'm not sure about the specific limits but this XKCD gives a broad idea. https://xkcd.com/1633/  
> **username_2**: This is a great question about current detectability limits of the various observational techniques! I've adjusted the wording a bit to better match the site's style, please check and feel free to edit further. You have added the `natural-satellites` tag, but Russell's teapot would orbit the Sun, not be a satellite of a planet. Do you think that tag should be removed? Since the detectability of moons might be special/different, partly because most planets have been visited by artificial spacecraft able to detect them close-up, maybe that's a different case and shouldn't be considered here?  
> **username_0**: Yes, I meant literally satellites, since I assumed it would be easier to "hide" a teapot in the orbit around Uranus than in the orbit around the Sun. But if you say it's the other way around, I believe you. (Though I'm not sure how is "visiting by artificial spacecraft" relevant... are you intending to say that we couldn't e.g. successfully launch Pioneer 10 without already knowing about all the Jovian moons?)  
> **username_3**: Any Moon-sized objects around Uranus would likely have been discovered long ago. Triton's 2/3 the diameter of Earth's Moon, orbits Neptune, and has an 1846 discovery date less than a month after Neptune's discovery. All known moons of Uranus are smaller than that.  
> **username_0**: Well, that reasoning seems to have an implicit assumption that if object A is larger than object B, and orbits the same body, then it will be discovered earlier. If I read the historic data right, it seems Uran's moons are just the counterexample: they were discovered "out of order". Is something like this impossible to happen today?  
> **username_4**: Where is the Tesla Roadster in space: https://where-is-tesla-roadster.space/live Looks like it's currently slightly *outside* the orbit of Mars.  
> **username_2**: @WayfaringStranger that's an ephemerical (ephemeral?) prediction; NASA JPL's [Horizons](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi). See [When was the last time that Starman/Roadster was seen?](https://space.stackexchange.com/q/29921/12102) and also [When will the telescope that last saw Starman/Roadster be able to see it again?](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/43575/12102) and also [Starman is out there, but we probably won’t see him again until 2047](https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/04/starman-is-out-there-but-we-probably-wont-see-him-again-until-2047/)  
> **username_4**: @username_2 Yeah, you are right, but I thought it important to ref. the only real, man-made instantiation in the discussion. I'm still upset they did not put a teapot in the glove box.  
> **username_2**: @WayfaringStranger I see what you mean, it's the only bit of authentic [space-art](https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/space-art) that's in a heliocentric orbit. Who knows though what's been *stashed* in the glovebox!  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2020-09-19. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

The brightness of light received from a light source (or an object that reflects light) is inversely proportional to the square of the distance.

So if an astronomical object A which reflects light from the Sun back to Earth orbits at a distance of two AU from the Sun and an idental astronomic object B orbits at twice that distance, or at 4 AU, how much light will Earth get from the two objects at their oppositions?

Since object B is twice as far away from the Sun as object A, it's surface receives one quarter as much light from the Sun as object A. Since object B will be three tiems as far from Earth at opposition as object A will be at opposition, its reflected light will be one ninth as bright. So together, those two factors will make the light that Earth gets from object at its opposition one thirty sixth, or 0.02777, as bright as the light that Earth gets from object A at its opposition.

So the farther away from the Sun an astronomical object is, the less bright its reflected light will be as seen from Earth.

And if an object C has a higher albedo, or is more reflective than object D of the same size, it will seem brighter at the same distance.

The brighter a solar system object is as seen from Earth, the sooner it will be noticed and discovered. The dimmer a solar system object is as seen from Earth, the longer it can remain undiscovered.

Thus the undiscovered objects in the solar system should be the ones which appear fainter as seen from Earth.

They may be fainter and dimmer as seen from Earth because their albedo is lower than objects at the same distance. Or maybe because they are much smaller than other objects with the same albedo and distance. Or maybe they are very large objects with high albedos but are very faint because they are very far away.

Over time, astronomers discover dimmer and dimmer objects in the solar system, objects which have darker surfaces, or are smaller, or are much farther from the Sun.

So the largest solar system objects likely to be discovered in the future are likely to be very far fromt he Sun and the Earth and thus appear many times dimmer than objects of equal size in the inner solar system.

You may have heard of the hypothetical Planet Vulcan, inside the orbit of Mercury, once used to explain certain problems with the orbit of Mercury. It is no known that Vulcan could not possibly exist. It would have been discovered long ago if it did exist.

> None of these claims has ever been substantiated after more than forty years of observation. It has been surmised that some of these objects—and other alleged intra-Mercurial objects—may exist, being nothing more than previously unknown comets or small asteroids. No vulcanoid asteroids have been found, and searches have ruled out any such asteroids larger than about 6 km (3.7 mi).[4] Neither SOHO nor STEREO has detected a planet inside the orbit of Mercury.[4][23]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan\_(hypothetical\_planet)[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(hypothetical_planet)%5B1%5D)

The largest solar system objects discovered in recent times have all been beyond the orbit of Neptune, and have been rather small. Only a few of the largest ones have been large enough to classify as dwarf planets, and they are all smaller than Eerth's moon.

It is possible that there may be one or more as yet undiscovered planets in the outer solar system. But since there are limits on how bright those planets could be and remain undiscovered, there are limits on how large and/or close they could be.

> As of 2016 the following observations severely constrain the mass and distance of any possible additional Solar System planet:
>
> An analysis of mid-infrared observations with the WISE telescope have ruled out the possibility of a Saturn-sized object (95 Earth masses) out to 10,000 AU, and a Jupiter-sized or larger object out to 26,000 AU.[6] WISE has continued to take more data since then, and NASA has invited the public to help search this data for evidence of planets beyond these limits, via the Backyard Worlds: Planet 9 citizen science project.[96]
>
> Using modern data on the anomalous precession of the perihelia of Saturn, Earth, and Mars, Lorenzo Iorio concluded that any unknown planet with a mass of 0.7 times that of Earth must be farther than 350–400 AU; one with a mass of 2 times that of Earth, farther than 496–570 AU; and finally one with a mass of 15 times that of Earth, farther than 970–1,111 AU.[97] Moreover, Iorio stated that the modern ephemerides of the Solar System outer planets has provided even tighter constraints: no celestial body with a mass of 15 times that of Earth can exist closer than 1,100–1,300 AU.[98] However, work by another group of astronomers using a more comprehensive model of the Solar System found that Iorio's conclusion was only partially correct. Their analysis of Cassini data on Saturn's orbital residuals found that observations were inconsistent with a planetary body with the orbit and mass similar to those of Batygin and Brown's Planet Nine having a true anomaly of −130° to −110° or −65° to 85°. Furthermore, the analysis found that Saturn's orbit is slightly better explained if such a body is located at a true anomaly of 117.8°+11°
> −10°. At this location, it would be approximately 630 AU from the Sun.[99]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets\_beyond\_Neptune[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_beyond_Neptune%5B2%5D)

New moons of the four giant planets are still being discovered, but the recent discoveries are all of tiny objects, less than 10 kilometers in diameter.


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