<p>There's a very rich literature about these things: on one hand, there is the pure general relativity of light bending due to an oblate planet (a quadrupolar effect), and on the other hand there is the observational effort to detect such light bending in our solar system. I think the first was addressed, more or less, in my answer to one of your previous questions:
<a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/43300/has-gaia-learned-anything-about-general-relativity-looking-near-jupiter-gerry/44365?noredirect=1#comment94031_44365">Has GAIA learned anything about General Relativity looking near Jupiter?</a></p>
<p>The question here pertains to previous observational efforts:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Question: Is GAIA the only game in town for looking at quadrupole gravitational deflection of light? Is there some other method with similar sensitivity, using either Jupiter or the Sun which is less oblate but much more massive? Radio perhaps, somehow?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Short answer: Yes, Gaia is the only game in town currently, although there is a tradition of ground-based observations trying to observe the monopolar contribution to light bending of Jupiter (and I suspect that future ground based telescopes might be able to). Also, there was a competitor, in a sense, to Gaia, known as the Space Interferometry Mission (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Interferometry_Mission" rel="nofollow noreferrer">SIM</a>) but it was canceled in NASA's Astro2010 Decadal Report.</p>
<p><strong>LONG ANSWER:</strong></p>
<p>For &quot;recent/modern&quot; astrometric observations of light bending with the Sun, one can dig into the weeds a bit:</p>
<p>Detection of light deflection around the Sun and the Earth was accomplished by <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992A&amp;A...258...18L/abstract" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Hipparcos</a> (1992), see r.f. section 3.2.5. of <a href="https://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&amp;recordOId=2158517&amp;fileOId=2158518" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this</a> study by Lindl (2011), discussed more down below, which details the theory behind astrometry of light deflection via Jupiter with Gaia. The light bending observed by Hipparcos was due to the monopole moment, not the quadrupole moment, of the lens. These successes bolstered proposals to observe the quadrupolar contribution of light deflection.</p>
<p>On the second page of <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010IAUS..261..286H" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this</a> paper by Heinkelmann and Schuh (2009), where <span class="math-container">$\gamma$</span> is the parameterized post-Newtonian parameter that is unity for classical general relativity, they state:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Up to now several groups have determined the <span class="math-container">$\gamma$</span> parameter using the geodetic VLBI observations... All of those tests focus on the effects imposed by the Sun. However, there were also several efforts to observe Jupiter’s deflection. Treuhaft &amp; Lowe (1991) tried to find the deflection by Jupiter experimentally using a single long baseline DSN experiment during a near-occultation event, which was proposed by Schuhet al.(1988). A comparable near-occultation happened in 2002 and was investigated by several groups,e.g. by Fomalont &amp; Kopeikin (2003).</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I'm pretty sure they're referring to the monopole deflection of Jupiter here, as corraborated in a paper by <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008IAUS..248..391K/abstract" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Kopeikin &amp; Makarov (2008)</a>, and not the quadrupolar deflection - an early theoretical model of which was explored by Crosta et al. 2006.</p>
<p>Now, some history of observing the quadrupolar contribution to light bending of Jupiter:</p>
<p>The Kopeikin &amp; Makarov (2008) paper speculated that SIM, or possibly <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Kilometre_Array" rel="nofollow noreferrer">SKA</a>, was the best prospect for measuring light bending of Jupiter, and barely mentioned Gaia.</p>
<p>The seminal work by <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2003AJ....125.1580K/abstract" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Klioner (2003)</a> presented a self-consistent relativistic model (at the 0.1 <span class="math-container">$\mu$</span>as-level) for observing the quadrupolar light bending of Jupiter, in anticipation of Gaia and SIM, and showed that such light bending would be strongest for Jupiter (excluding the sun!), ie. see the second column of table 1 titled, &quot;Various Gravitational Effects on Light Propagation&quot;. This model forms the <a href="https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2010/01/aa12691-09/aa12691-09.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">base</a> of the relativistic model of Gaia (known as GREM).</p>
<p>This and subsequent works motivated the study by <a href="https://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&amp;recordOId=2158517&amp;fileOId=2158518" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Lind (2011)</a> concerning this topic, where they implement the model of Crosta et al. (2006) for simulated data. From their conclusion:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The framework that we have obtained will ... give a first estimation of Gaia’s capacity to detect quadrupole light deflection by Jupiter. This we can answer in the affirmative, Gaia and AGIS will allow to detect this effect to at least 6<span class="math-container">$\sigma$</span> level, when assuming nominal astrometric performance.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Prior to and after the launch of Gaia in 2013, the prospects for its ability to probe fundamental physics and relativity theory was highly anticipated, for example <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014EAS....67...49K/abstract" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly, (phew!) for a more complete authoritative source for current and upcoming microarcsecond astrometry observations is <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.11712" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this</a> review. Their section 6 discusses current and upcoming ground, such as the ESO's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_Large_Telescope" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Extremely Large Telescope</a>, and space based projects, such as NASA's James Webb Space Telescope and the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope and of course the ESA's Gaia.
In section 3, they state:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>In particular the scanning law of Gaia has been optimized such that observations of bright stars near Jupiter are made a number of times during the mission.These data will allow an attempt at measuring the quadrupole moment of light deflection by Jupiter. How Gaia astrometry can be used in these and other tests of fundamental physics is discussed by Klioner (2014).  Such tests will probably only be done in later phases of Gaia data processing operations, when the other parameter sets in the astrometric solution are sufficiently well known and understood</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So these kinds of nuggets for observing general relativistic light bending with Jupiter might not arrive for a few years. But I'll certainly be keeping my ears to the ground ;)</p>

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Daddy Kropotkin
<p>From Gerry Gilmore (2018) <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.09463" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Gaia: 3-dimensional census of the Milky Way Galaxy</a></p>
<blockquote>
<p>4.4 Fundamental physics</p>
<p>Relativistic effects are highly significant for Gaia measurement accuracy, with
tests of General Relativity being a significant driver from the very start of the project.
This established tight constraints on the mission. For example, sufficient modelling of
Newtonian aberration requires that the spacecraft orbit (Lissajous orbit around L2) is
quantified with a velocity accuracy of 1 mm/s. Finite light velocity effects lead to
position-dependent propagation delays in the field of view which must be accounted for.
<strong>Monopole light deflection (the famous 1.75arcsec solar limb effect first verified by
Eddington &amp; Dyson in 1919) exceed the microarcsec level all-sky for the Sun, and up to
90 deg from Jupiter, significantly complicating the computational effort. Quadrupole
light bending is 240µas at the Jupiter limb, and is 1µas at 8 Jupiter radii. This allows a
special Gaia experiment – to quantify light bending by Jupiter, this test involving an
oblate rotating mass moving in a deeper (Solar) potential.</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.04153" rel="nofollow noreferrer">The Gaia mission</a>
(also <a href="https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2016/11/aa29272-16.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>):</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Another possible experiment is to explore light bending of star images close to the limb of Jupiter <strong>to measure the quadrupole moment of the gravitational field of the giant planet.</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Of course it's easier for an existing visible light space telescope to look near Jupiter than near the Sun, and in general stars aren't particularly strong radio point sources.</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/32606/7982">How far have individual stars been seen by radio telescopes?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/36366/7982">Do stars have &quot;radio photospheres&quot;? Are they different from their optical photospheres?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/36708/7982">https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/36708/7982</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Question:</strong> Is GAIA the only game in town for looking at quadrupole gravitational deflection of light? Is there some other method with similar sensitivity, using either Jupiter or the Sun which is less oblate but much more massive? Radio perhaps, somehow?</p>

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companion question: [Has GAIA learned anything about General Relativity looking near Jupiter? (Gerry Gilmore: “oblate rotating mass moving in a deeper (Solar) potential”)](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/43300/7982) note: I've added the `gravitational-lensing` tag because this question meets the tag's definition.
uhoh
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Think the constraints from millisecond pulsar timing in the radio might be tighter than the 1uas floor of Gaia. Look at the [TEMPO2 system paper](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006MNRAS.369..655H/abstract) for details of the planetary light bending effects considered.
astrosnapper
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@astrosnapper oh that's really interesting, but I will have to dig in to understand. Figure 6 totally confuses me because I would expect only a delay when there was a close approach of Jupiter to the pulsar. Instead there is a wiggly increase for years before maximum and years afterward, which means I don't understand what's going on at all... yet. That's when I'm happiest. :-)
uhoh
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@astrosnapper I've added a bounty...
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Is GAIA the only game in town for looking at quadrupole gravitational deflection of light?
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# Is GAIA the only game in town for looking at quadrupole gravitational deflection of light?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-04-07)

From Gerry Gilmore (2018) [Gaia: 3-dimensional census of the Milky Way Galaxy](https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.09463)

> 4.4 Fundamental physics
>
> Relativistic effects are highly significant for Gaia measurement accuracy, with
> tests of General Relativity being a significant driver from the very start of the project.
> This established tight constraints on the mission. For example, sufficient modelling of
> Newtonian aberration requires that the spacecraft orbit (Lissajous orbit around L2) is
> quantified with a velocity accuracy of 1 mm/s. Finite light velocity effects lead to
> position-dependent propagation delays in the field of view which must be accounted for.
> **Monopole light deflection (the famous 1.75arcsec solar limb effect first verified by
> Eddington & Dyson in 1919) exceed the microarcsec level all-sky for the Sun, and up to
> 90 deg from Jupiter, significantly complicating the computational effort. Quadrupole
> light bending is 240µas at the Jupiter limb, and is 1µas at 8 Jupiter radii. This allows a
> special Gaia experiment – to quantify light bending by Jupiter, this test involving an
> oblate rotating mass moving in a deeper (Solar) potential.**

[The Gaia mission](https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.04153)
(also [here](https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2016/11/aa29272-16.pdf)):

> Another possible experiment is to explore light bending of star images close to the limb of Jupiter **to measure the quadrupole moment of the gravitational field of the giant planet.**

Of course it's easier for an existing visible light space telescope to look near Jupiter than near the Sun, and in general stars aren't particularly strong radio point sources.

* [How far have individual stars been seen by radio telescopes?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/32606/7982)
* [Do stars have "radio photospheres"? Are they different from their optical photospheres?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/36366/7982)
* <https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/36708/7982>

**Question:** Is GAIA the only game in town for looking at quadrupole gravitational deflection of light? Is there some other method with similar sensitivity, using either Jupiter or the Sun which is less oblate but much more massive? Radio perhaps, somehow?

**Tags:** the-sun, radio-astronomy, jupiter, gravitational-lensing, gaia

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: companion question: [Has GAIA learned anything about General Relativity looking near Jupiter? (Gerry Gilmore: “oblate rotating mass moving in a deeper (Solar) potential”)](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/43300/7982) note: I've added the `gravitational-lensing` tag because this question meets the tag's definition.  
> **username_1**: Think the constraints from millisecond pulsar timing in the radio might be tighter than the 1uas floor of Gaia. Look at the [TEMPO2 system paper](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006MNRAS.369..655H/abstract) for details of the planetary light bending effects considered.  
> **username_0**: @username_1 oh that's really interesting, but I will have to dig in to understand. Figure 6 totally confuses me because I would expect only a delay when there was a close approach of Jupiter to the pulsar. Instead there is a wiggly increase for years before maximum and years afterward, which means I don't understand what's going on at all... yet. That's when I'm happiest. :-)  
> **username_0**: @username_1 I've added a bounty...  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2021-06-21. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

There's a very rich literature about these things: on one hand, there is the pure general relativity of light bending due to an oblate planet (a quadrupolar effect), and on the other hand there is the observational effort to detect such light bending in our solar system. I think the first was addressed, more or less, in my answer to one of your previous questions:
[Has GAIA learned anything about General Relativity looking near Jupiter?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/43300/has-gaia-learned-anything-about-general-relativity-looking-near-jupiter-gerry/44365?noredirect=1#comment94031_44365)

The question here pertains to previous observational efforts:

> Question: Is GAIA the only game in town for looking at quadrupole gravitational deflection of light? Is there some other method with similar sensitivity, using either Jupiter or the Sun which is less oblate but much more massive? Radio perhaps, somehow?

Short answer: Yes, Gaia is the only game in town currently, although there is a tradition of ground-based observations trying to observe the monopolar contribution to light bending of Jupiter (and I suspect that future ground based telescopes might be able to). Also, there was a competitor, in a sense, to Gaia, known as the Space Interferometry Mission ([SIM](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Interferometry_Mission)) but it was canceled in NASA's Astro2010 Decadal Report.

**LONG ANSWER:**

For "recent/modern" astrometric observations of light bending with the Sun, one can dig into the weeds a bit:

Detection of light deflection around the Sun and the Earth was accomplished by [Hipparcos](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992A&A...258...18L/abstract) (1992), see r.f. section 3.2.5. of [this](https://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=2158517&fileOId=2158518) study by Lindl (2011), discussed more down below, which details the theory behind astrometry of light deflection via Jupiter with Gaia. The light bending observed by Hipparcos was due to the monopole moment, not the quadrupole moment, of the lens. These successes bolstered proposals to observe the quadrupolar contribution of light deflection.

On the second page of [this](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010IAUS..261..286H) paper by Heinkelmann and Schuh (2009), where $\gamma$ is the parameterized post-Newtonian parameter that is unity for classical general relativity, they state:

> Up to now several groups have determined the $\gamma$ parameter using the geodetic VLBI observations... All of those tests focus on the effects imposed by the Sun. However, there were also several efforts to observe Jupiter’s deflection. Treuhaft & Lowe (1991) tried to find the deflection by Jupiter experimentally using a single long baseline DSN experiment during a near-occultation event, which was proposed by Schuhet al.(1988). A comparable near-occultation happened in 2002 and was investigated by several groups,e.g. by Fomalont & Kopeikin (2003).

I'm pretty sure they're referring to the monopole deflection of Jupiter here, as corraborated in a paper by [Kopeikin & Makarov (2008)](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008IAUS..248..391K/abstract), and not the quadrupolar deflection - an early theoretical model of which was explored by Crosta et al. 2006.

Now, some history of observing the quadrupolar contribution to light bending of Jupiter:

The Kopeikin & Makarov (2008) paper speculated that SIM, or possibly [SKA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Kilometre_Array), was the best prospect for measuring light bending of Jupiter, and barely mentioned Gaia.

The seminal work by [Klioner (2003)](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2003AJ....125.1580K/abstract) presented a self-consistent relativistic model (at the 0.1 $\mu$as-level) for observing the quadrupolar light bending of Jupiter, in anticipation of Gaia and SIM, and showed that such light bending would be strongest for Jupiter (excluding the sun!), ie. see the second column of table 1 titled, "Various Gravitational Effects on Light Propagation". This model forms the [base](https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2010/01/aa12691-09/aa12691-09.html) of the relativistic model of Gaia (known as GREM).

This and subsequent works motivated the study by [Lind (2011)](https://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=2158517&fileOId=2158518) concerning this topic, where they implement the model of Crosta et al. (2006) for simulated data. From their conclusion:

> The framework that we have obtained will ... give a first estimation of Gaia’s capacity to detect quadrupole light deflection by Jupiter. This we can answer in the affirmative, Gaia and AGIS will allow to detect this effect to at least 6$\sigma$ level, when assuming nominal astrometric performance.

Prior to and after the launch of Gaia in 2013, the prospects for its ability to probe fundamental physics and relativity theory was highly anticipated, for example [here](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014EAS....67...49K/abstract).

Lastly, (phew!) for a more complete authoritative source for current and upcoming microarcsecond astrometry observations is [this](https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.11712) review. Their section 6 discusses current and upcoming ground, such as the ESO's [Extremely Large Telescope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_Large_Telescope), and space based projects, such as NASA's James Webb Space Telescope and the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope and of course the ESA's Gaia.
In section 3, they state:

> In particular the scanning law of Gaia has been optimized such that observations of bright stars near Jupiter are made a number of times during the mission.These data will allow an attempt at measuring the quadrupole moment of light deflection by Jupiter. How Gaia astrometry can be used in these and other tests of fundamental physics is discussed by Klioner (2014). Such tests will probably only be done in later phases of Gaia data processing operations, when the other parameter sets in the astrometric solution are sufficiently well known and understood

So these kinds of nuggets for observing general relativistic light bending with Jupiter might not arrive for a few years. But I'll certainly be keeping my ears to the ground ;)


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