<p>The evidence is not only in Earth's climate but Earth's magnetic field too. For more evidence you can search for yourself too. Of cource there is the complete physical mechanism described, not just correlations. And the mathematical documentation is overwhelming.
Pela: there is no such thing as self-tidal force, the only tidal forces to the Sun are those from the planets orbiting. That's why they play a key role.Self forces sum to zero, eliminate each other to zero.</p>

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It is probably better if you edit your previous answer, rather than add a new one.  SE sites are not really set up for discussion, but for answering questions.  Your paper does not really present evidence regarding the Earth's magnetic field, and as I have already pointed out there are existing explanations for Earth's climate where the physical mechanism is plausible and indeed directly observable.  Pela has explained why the tidal forces of the planets are too small to plausibly effect the solar corona, if you have a counter argument, then I would recommend you present it as clearly as pos.
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<p>The gravitational effect of the planets on the Sun can be calculated very accurately. The acceleration of a planet of mass $M$ at a distance from the Sun of $r$ is
$$a = \frac{G M}{r^2}.$$
If you plug in the numbers, you'll find that the largest effect comes from Jupiter due to its enormous mass. The gravitational acceleration of Jupiter on the Sun is $2\times10^{-7}$ m/s$^2$. Even if all planets were aligned so to add up all their gravitational accelerations, the total would only be $2.8\times10^{-7}$ m/s$^2$.</p>

<p>However, the <em>acceleration</em> is not what is important; rather it is the <em>tidal forces</em>, which are proportional to $1/r^3$ instead on $1/r^2$. The tidal acceleration felt over a distance $\Delta r$ at the surface of the Sun is
$$a_{\mathrm{tidal}} \simeq \frac{2GM}{r^3} \Delta r.$$
Now I didn't really bother to read the paper in detail, but the guy doesn't seem to write what exactly in the Sun's atmosphere should be affected by the planets. But even if we say that it's all of Sun's corona, which has a thickness of $\Delta r \sim 10^6$ km, <strong>the combined effect of all eight planets standing on a line would be roughly $\mathbf{10^{-9}}$ m/s$\mathbf{^2}$</strong>, a minor effect compared to the difference in the Sun's own gravitational field over the same distance, which is 11 orders of magnitude higher.</p>

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<p>Dimitris (see below) argues that the syzygies of the Earth and Venus and those of Mercury, Earth and Jupiter distort the Sun's corona, which in some way affects climate on the scale of hundreds of years.  Is there any evidence to support the idea that the planets do have such an effect on the sun, <strong><em>other than</em></strong> the correlation noted by Dimitris?</p>

<p>Planetary orbits’ effect to the Northern Hemisphere climate, from solar corona
formation to the Earth climate.</p>

<p>Poulos Dimitris</p>

<p>Abstract
The four planets that influence the most the solar surface through tidal forcing seem to affect the Earth climate. A simple two cosine model with periods 251 years, of the seasonality of the Earth – Venus syzygies, and 265.4 years, of the combined syzygies of Jupiter and Mercury with Earth when Earth is in synod with Venus, fits well the Northern Hemisphere temperatures of the last 1000 years as reconstructed by Jones et al (1998). Later reconstructions that give too much emphasis on multy-centenial variation are due to increased error. The physical mechanism proposed is that planetary gravitational forces derange the Solar Corona that in turn deranges the planetary geomagnetic field causing
temperature variations. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.itia.ntua.gr/getfile/1486/1/documents/PoulosPaper.pdf" rel="noreferrer">http://www.itia.ntua.gr/getfile/1486/1/documents/PoulosPaper.pdf</a></p>

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Does the orbital variation in planetary gravity affect the Sun's corona
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# Does the orbital variation in planetary gravity affect the Sun's corona

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-02-19)

Dimitris (see below) argues that the syzygies of the Earth and Venus and those of Mercury, Earth and Jupiter distort the Sun's corona, which in some way affects climate on the scale of hundreds of years. Is there any evidence to support the idea that the planets do have such an effect on the sun, ***other than*** the correlation noted by Dimitris?

Planetary orbits’ effect to the Northern Hemisphere climate, from solar corona
formation to the Earth climate.

Poulos Dimitris

Abstract
The four planets that influence the most the solar surface through tidal forcing seem to affect the Earth climate. A simple two cosine model with periods 251 years, of the seasonality of the Earth – Venus syzygies, and 265.4 years, of the combined syzygies of Jupiter and Mercury with Earth when Earth is in synod with Venus, fits well the Northern Hemisphere temperatures of the last 1000 years as reconstructed by Jones et al (1998). Later reconstructions that give too much emphasis on multy-centenial variation are due to increased error. The physical mechanism proposed is that planetary gravitational forces derange the Solar Corona that in turn deranges the planetary geomagnetic field causing
temperature variations.

<http://www.itia.ntua.gr/getfile/1486/1/documents/PoulosPaper.pdf>

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2015-02-19. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

The gravitational effect of the planets on the Sun can be calculated very accurately. The acceleration of a planet of mass $M$ at a distance from the Sun of $r$ is
$$a = \frac{G M}{r^2}.$$
If you plug in the numbers, you'll find that the largest effect comes from Jupiter due to its enormous mass. The gravitational acceleration of Jupiter on the Sun is $2\times10^{-7}$ m/s$^2$. Even if all planets were aligned so to add up all their gravitational accelerations, the total would only be $2.8\times10^{-7}$ m/s$^2$.

However, the *acceleration* is not what is important; rather it is the *tidal forces*, which are proportional to $1/r^3$ instead on $1/r^2$. The tidal acceleration felt over a distance $\Delta r$ at the surface of the Sun is
$$a\_{\mathrm{tidal}} \simeq \frac{2GM}{r^3} \Delta r.$$
Now I didn't really bother to read the paper in detail, but the guy doesn't seem to write what exactly in the Sun's atmosphere should be affected by the planets. But even if we say that it's all of Sun's corona, which has a thickness of $\Delta r \sim 10^6$ km, **the combined effect of all eight planets standing on a line would be roughly $\mathbf{10^{-9}}$ m/s$\mathbf{^2}$**, a minor effect compared to the difference in the Sun's own gravitational field over the same distance, which is 11 orders of magnitude higher.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2015-03-02. Score: 0

The evidence is not only in Earth's climate but Earth's magnetic field too. For more evidence you can search for yourself too. Of cource there is the complete physical mechanism described, not just correlations. And the mathematical documentation is overwhelming.
Pela: there is no such thing as self-tidal force, the only tidal forces to the Sun are those from the planets orbiting. That's why they play a key role.Self forces sum to zero, eliminate each other to zero.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: It is probably better if you edit your previous answer, rather than add a new one.  SE sites are not really set up for discussion, but for answering questions.  Your paper does not really present evidence regarding the Earth's magnetic field, and as I have already pointed out there are existing explanations for Earth's climate where the physical mechanism is plausible and indeed directly observable.  Pela has explained why the tidal forces of the planets are too small to plausibly effect the solar corona, if you have a counter argument, then I would recommend you present it as clearly as pos.  
> **username_1**: Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/39070/discussion-on-answer-by-dimitris-poulos-does-the-orbital-variation-in-planetary).  

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