<p>I'm not sure what the focus is on Sgr A*? Only the stars that are very close to the Galactic center can be said to be &quot;orbiting Sgr A*&quot;, the rest of the stars in the Galaxy orbit in the the entire Galactic potential, to which Sgr A* is a minor contributor.</p>
<p>The stars near Sgr A* have a wide variety of orbital eccentricities. This is shown clearly in the picture below (credit: Cmglee, Wikimedia commons).</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/LCips.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/LCips.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
<p>Stars in the Galaxy at large also show a variety of orbital eccentricities in their non-Keplerian orbits. The orbits are non-Keplerian because they are not orbiting a point-like source of gravity and the orbits do not form closed shapes.</p>
<p>Many, in fact most, of the stars near the Sun are in the Galactic disc population and have roughly circular orbits, confined close to the plane of the Galaxy. About 1% of nearby stars are part of the old halo population which have a wide dispersion of eccentricities and orbital inclinations.</p>
<p>The Sun is currently in a mildly &quot;elliptical orbit&quot; (it is not a closed ellipse as discussed above and it wobbles above and below the Galactic plane), since its motion is not entirely tangential to the Galactic centre - it has components of 5-10 km/s towards the Galactic centre and upwards out of the Galactic plane, compared with a tangential orbital velocity of around 240 km/s. See <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/12311/2531">https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/12311/2531</a> and <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/822/how-far-is-the-earth-sun-above-below-the-galactic-plane-and-is-it-heading-towar?rq=1">How far is the Earth/Sun above/below the galactic plane, and is it heading toward/away from it?</a></p>

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What's a non-Keplerian orbit? I thought every orbit is "closed", what would such non-Keplerian orbits look like? Also, do you know the scale for your above diagram, how long e.g. is a light-year or parsec there?
John
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2020-10-31T11:35:48.107Z
Or does "at the same scale" mean the orbit of Sedna is as big as it would fit into the diagram since it is around the black hole in the galactic center so it's hard to believe.
John
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2020-10-31T13:34:03.310Z
@John the diagram has a scale. The orbit of Pluto is a little bit less than one small graph paper square across, so I guess one small graph paper square is about 120 au. Non-Keplerian means it isn't an ellipse. Not a closed orbit means it doesn't return to the same point.
ProfRob
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2020-10-31T18:14:55.893Z
"doesn't return to the same point" Is this due to gravitational influence with other stars over the course of the orbit?
John
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2020-10-31T18:32:08.013Z
@John stable ellipses are the solution to orbits around a spherically-symmetric mass.  The galactic distribution of mass is not spherically-symmetric.
BowlOfRed
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2020-11-01T01:14:15.503Z
@John "What's a 'non-Keplerian' orbit? What are some examples, and can some still be closed?" is an *excellent question* and can have several interesting answers that belong in a new post rather than just in some comments. Please consider asking something like that separately!
uhoh
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2020-11-01T06:54:46.083Z
@uhoh But my question is kind of answered already, just like the one about precipitation on Mars. You can still ask these questions as a post if you wanna.
John
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2020-11-03T01:36:50.980Z
@John done! [What are “non-Keplerian” orbits? What are some familiar examples in our solar system, and can some still be closed?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/39652/7982)
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ProfRob
<p>Do all stars in orbit around Sagittarius A have approximately circular orbits or are there stars that orbit the Milky Way center very elliptically, like being in the Milky Way's outer rim at apoapsis and in the core worlds close to Sagittarius A at periapsis? Do we know what orbital eccentricity the Sun (respectively the Sun-Jupiter barycenter) has?</p>

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2020-10-31T07:18:17.060Z
There are several Sag A* orbit animations here: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~ghezgroup/gc/animations.html
PM 2Ring
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2020-10-31T07:33:28.047Z
@PM2Ring The green one has an extremely elliptical orbit.
John
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Forms of stellar orbits around the galactic center
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# Forms of stellar orbits around the galactic center

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-10-31)

Do all stars in orbit around Sagittarius A have approximately circular orbits or are there stars that orbit the Milky Way center very elliptically, like being in the Milky Way's outer rim at apoapsis and in the core worlds close to Sagittarius A at periapsis? Do we know what orbital eccentricity the Sun (respectively the Sun-Jupiter barycenter) has?

**Tags:** galaxy, milky-way, orbital-elements, sagittarius-a

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: There are several Sag A* orbit animations here: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~ghezgroup/gc/animations.html  
> **username_0**: @PM2Ring The green one has an extremely elliptical orbit.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2020-10-31. Score: 14 | Accepted answer

I'm not sure what the focus is on Sgr A\*? Only the stars that are very close to the Galactic center can be said to be "orbiting Sgr A\*", the rest of the stars in the Galaxy orbit in the the entire Galactic potential, to which Sgr A\* is a minor contributor.

The stars near Sgr A\* have a wide variety of orbital eccentricities. This is shown clearly in the picture below (credit: Cmglee, Wikimedia commons).

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/LCips.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/LCips.png)

Stars in the Galaxy at large also show a variety of orbital eccentricities in their non-Keplerian orbits. The orbits are non-Keplerian because they are not orbiting a point-like source of gravity and the orbits do not form closed shapes.

Many, in fact most, of the stars near the Sun are in the Galactic disc population and have roughly circular orbits, confined close to the plane of the Galaxy. About 1% of nearby stars are part of the old halo population which have a wide dispersion of eccentricities and orbital inclinations.

The Sun is currently in a mildly "elliptical orbit" (it is not a closed ellipse as discussed above and it wobbles above and below the Galactic plane), since its motion is not entirely tangential to the Galactic centre - it has components of 5-10 km/s towards the Galactic centre and upwards out of the Galactic plane, compared with a tangential orbital velocity of around 240 km/s. See <https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/12311/2531> and [How far is the Earth/Sun above/below the galactic plane, and is it heading toward/away from it?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/822/how-far-is-the-earth-sun-above-below-the-galactic-plane-and-is-it-heading-towar?rq=1)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: What's a non-Keplerian orbit? I thought every orbit is "closed", what would such non-Keplerian orbits look like? Also, do you know the scale for your above diagram, how long e.g. is a light-year or parsec there?  
> **username_0**: Or does "at the same scale" mean the orbit of Sedna is as big as it would fit into the diagram since it is around the black hole in the galactic center so it's hard to believe.  
> **username_2**: @username_0 the diagram has a scale. The orbit of Pluto is a little bit less than one small graph paper square across, so I guess one small graph paper square is about 120 au. Non-Keplerian means it isn't an ellipse. Not a closed orbit means it doesn't return to the same point.  
> **username_0**: "doesn't return to the same point" Is this due to gravitational influence with other stars over the course of the orbit?  
> **username_3**: @username_0 stable ellipses are the solution to orbits around a spherically-symmetric mass.  The galactic distribution of mass is not spherically-symmetric.  
> **username_4**: @username_0 "What's a 'non-Keplerian' orbit? What are some examples, and can some still be closed?" is an *excellent question* and can have several interesting answers that belong in a new post rather than just in some comments. Please consider asking something like that separately!  
> **username_0**: @username_4 But my question is kind of answered already, just like the one about precipitation on Mars. You can still ask these questions as a post if you wanna.  
> **username_4**: @username_0 done! [What are “non-Keplerian” orbits? What are some familiar examples in our solar system, and can some still be closed?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/39652/7982)  

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