<p>There is actualy very little water vapour absorption in the optical part of the spectrum (350 - 750 nm). If &quot;optical&quot; is extended (as it often is) to include that part of the spectrum where silicon-based CCD detectors are useful (330 - 1000 nm) then there is some water vapour absorption at the long wavelength end of the spectrum.</p>
<p>In the range 350-750 nm, the water vapour absorption appears in the form of discrete &quot;telluric&quot; absorption lines. There are actually quite straightforard to remove by preparing a calibration spectrum in the form of a continuum source (usually a hot B-star or white dwarf), which has few if any intrinsic narrow absorption lines. The lines that are visible in the calibration spectrum and their strength can be scaled for the airmass of any other observation and multiplied out.</p>
<p>i.e. Water vapour absorption is generally NOT the reason that optical observatories are at high(ish) altitudes. The high altitude is to minimise the amount of atmospheric turbulence that blurs the stellar images.</p>
<p>The reasoning is different if the observatory is to perform observations at infrared wavelengths. Here, the water vapour column over the telescope is very important, especially for observations at wavelengths greater than 2 microns. For that reason, the world's best ground-based infrared observatories are at the highest and driest sites - basically on top of Mauna Kea in Hawai'i. The lower temperature at high altitudes also helps with reducing some thermal emission background at infrared wavelengths.</p>

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<p><strong>Yes, water vapour interferes even stronger with astronomical observations than <span class="math-container">$\rm CO_2$</span>.</strong>  </p>

<p>In the optical, water easily forms droplets which scatter light. But also in the gaseous phase water has strong absorption bands, some of those reach into the optical, while most of those however lie in the infrared, making water a greenhouse gas at the same time.<br>
Let's have a look at the absorption spectrum of various gaseous species in the atmosphere:  </p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/S8A8C.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/S8A8C.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

<p>Here we see with data what would otherwise take too many words to explain. Take note that the observable spectrum for humans is at the wavelengths <span class="math-container">$\rm \lambda = 0.4-0.8 \mu m$</span>. The many absorbtion bands of water make clear why this interferes with astronomical observations:<br>
In the same way that outgoing thermal radiation from Earth is stopped at going into space, also infrared coming from space is absorbed in the atmosphere and thus not reaching telescopes.  </p>

<p>To deal with this there is a number of ways to cope:</p>

<ol>
<li>Go high up above all the water vapour, to a dry place like Chile. Or a dry place like space. Then the absorption spectrum looks much more benevolent, and that's part of the reason we have all the major observatories in Chile, Mauna Kea, etc.</li>
<li>Try to observe in one of the absorption bands, but <em>fly</em> above all the water vapour. This is what the two airborne-based observatories <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_Observatory_for_Infrared_Astronomy" rel="noreferrer">SOFIA</a> and its predecessor do/did.</li>
<li>Observe through the infrared-'windows' that let light pass through, from the ground. This is a bit exotic science wise nowadays - AFAIK this is a method mostly used in history, as today it is hard to justify building a massive telescope when most of your prospective signal gets absorbed. This was employed at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Wilson_Observatory" rel="noreferrer">Mt. Wilson Observatory</a>, but also many others.</li>
</ol>

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What is the source of your figure?  It is a very handy reference to keep around.
Dave
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@Dave: Yes, it is actually an amazing figure. Similar things I've seen in climate/meteorology books, but this specific one seems to be made by a wikipedia user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmospheric_Transmission.png . One can look at the figure record for this user: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dragons_flight/Images , it seems the user took HITRAN line-data and smoothed it out for presentation purposes.
AtmosphericPrisonEscape
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AtmosphericPrisonEscape
<p>I would like to ask; how does Water Vapour in the atmosphere interfere with astronomical observations? Is it in the same manner as Carbon dioxide?  </p>

<p><em>What brought this to mind</em> is the following: A member of Monash University staff claimed recently in a newspaper in Australia that both CO2 and H2O absorbed heat and hence their presence needed to be reduced for astronimical observations. Hence the siting of optical observatories on mountain tops where the absolute amount of water vapour in the atmosphere is reduced by the relatively low temperatures there.</p>

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Hi Peter. Your first two sentences are on-topic, but it would be good if you could add a link to the news article. However, your last sentence is off-topic here and belongs instead on [earthscience.se]. You can [edit] your post to delete it. FWIW, H20 is the **most potent GHG** as it strongly absorbs infra-red, but I'm not sure why that's important.
Chappo Hasn't Forgotten
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@Chappo I've made a small edit, how does that look? btw your point about H2O being a GHG is good to know!
uhoh
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@AtmosphericPrisonEscape This is not the place for a discussion on GHGs, so I've deleted my second comment, in case that's the "but" you were referring to. Or do you mean the "but" in my first comment?
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@Chappo: It was the second comment I was refering to.
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Impact of Atmospheric Water vapour on Optical Observations
Peter Nicholls Phd
# Impact of Atmospheric Water vapour on Optical Observations

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-11-28)

I would like to ask; how does Water Vapour in the atmosphere interfere with astronomical observations? Is it in the same manner as Carbon dioxide?

*What brought this to mind* is the following: A member of Monash University staff claimed recently in a newspaper in Australia that both CO2 and H2O absorbed heat and hence their presence needed to be reduced for astronimical observations. Hence the siting of optical observatories on mountain tops where the absolute amount of water vapour in the atmosphere is reduced by the relatively low temperatures there.

**Tags:** observational-astronomy, observatory, weather, atmospheric-effects, climate

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Hi Peter. Your first two sentences are on-topic, but it would be good if you could add a link to the news article. However, your last sentence is off-topic here and belongs instead on [earthscience.se]. You can [edit] your post to delete it. FWIW, H20 is the **most potent GHG** as it strongly absorbs infra-red, but I'm not sure why that's important.  
> **username_2**: @Chappo I've made a small edit, how does that look? btw your point about H2O being a GHG is good to know!  
> **username_1**: @username_3 This is not the place for a discussion on GHGs, so I've deleted my second comment, in case that's the "but" you were referring to. Or do you mean the "but" in my first comment?  
> **username_3**: @Chappo: It was the second comment I was refering to.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2023-10-25. Score: 6

There is actualy very little water vapour absorption in the optical part of the spectrum (350 - 750 nm). If "optical" is extended (as it often is) to include that part of the spectrum where silicon-based CCD detectors are useful (330 - 1000 nm) then there is some water vapour absorption at the long wavelength end of the spectrum.

In the range 350-750 nm, the water vapour absorption appears in the form of discrete "telluric" absorption lines. There are actually quite straightforard to remove by preparing a calibration spectrum in the form of a continuum source (usually a hot B-star or white dwarf), which has few if any intrinsic narrow absorption lines. The lines that are visible in the calibration spectrum and their strength can be scaled for the airmass of any other observation and multiplied out.

i.e. Water vapour absorption is generally NOT the reason that optical observatories are at high(ish) altitudes. The high altitude is to minimise the amount of atmospheric turbulence that blurs the stellar images.

The reasoning is different if the observatory is to perform observations at infrared wavelengths. Here, the water vapour column over the telescope is very important, especially for observations at wavelengths greater than 2 microns. For that reason, the world's best ground-based infrared observatories are at the highest and driest sites - basically on top of Mauna Kea in Hawai'i. The lower temperature at high altitudes also helps with reducing some thermal emission background at infrared wavelengths.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2018-11-28. Score: 5

**Yes, water vapour interferes even stronger with astronomical observations than $\rm CO\_2$.**

In the optical, water easily forms droplets which scatter light. But also in the gaseous phase water has strong absorption bands, some of those reach into the optical, while most of those however lie in the infrared, making water a greenhouse gas at the same time.  
Let's have a look at the absorption spectrum of various gaseous species in the atmosphere:

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/S8A8C.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/S8A8C.png)

Here we see with data what would otherwise take too many words to explain. Take note that the observable spectrum for humans is at the wavelengths $\rm \lambda = 0.4-0.8 \mu m$. The many absorbtion bands of water make clear why this interferes with astronomical observations:  
In the same way that outgoing thermal radiation from Earth is stopped at going into space, also infrared coming from space is absorbed in the atmosphere and thus not reaching telescopes.

To deal with this there is a number of ways to cope:

1. Go high up above all the water vapour, to a dry place like Chile. Or a dry place like space. Then the absorption spectrum looks much more benevolent, and that's part of the reason we have all the major observatories in Chile, Mauna Kea, etc.
2. Try to observe in one of the absorption bands, but *fly* above all the water vapour. This is what the two airborne-based observatories [SOFIA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_Observatory_for_Infrared_Astronomy) and its predecessor do/did.
3. Observe through the infrared-'windows' that let light pass through, from the ground. This is a bit exotic science wise nowadays - AFAIK this is a method mostly used in history, as today it is hard to justify building a massive telescope when most of your prospective signal gets absorbed. This was employed at [Mt. Wilson Observatory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Wilson_Observatory), but also many others.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: What is the source of your figure?  It is a very handy reference to keep around.  
> **username_3**: @username_5: Yes, it is actually an amazing figure. Similar things I've seen in climate/meteorology books, but this specific one seems to be made by a wikipedia user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmospheric_Transmission.png . One can look at the figure record for this user: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dragons_flight/Images , it seems the user took HITRAN line-data and smoothed it out for presentation purposes.  

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