<p>Galaxies move though space independently of the orientation of their axis of rotation. That this is true can be appreciated from the fact that their direction through space is <em>relative</em>; that is, in the reference frame of an observer that is passing the galaxy in its plane, it <em>is</em> moving like a frisbee, whereas in the reference frame of an observer who is moving along its axis of rotation, it is moving like an American football:</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/em8ud.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/em8ud.jpg" alt="refframes"></a></p>

<p>Galaxies form by accreting gas which often lies in filaments of gas, and this is thought to have a tendency to align their spins with the filaments. Higher-mass galaxies grow by mergers along filaments, which should align their spins perpendicular to the filament. I'm unsure if it has actually been confirmed observationally, but it is seen in simulations (e.g. <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019ApJ...876...52K/abstract" rel="noreferrer">Krolewski et al. 2019</a>). Thus, a merger between a massive and a low-mass galaxy will have a tendency to make them meet with their spins at right angles of each other. But this alignment is only in a broad, statistical sense, and mergers at all angles do indeed occur.</p>

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2020-01-25T05:47:18.603Z
let's say there's a hypothetical 'stable' point in space where we can stay @ 1 place and watch all the spirals, near & far. What'd we see? The movements would be chaotic, right? Also, your sketch displays a drill-like motion of a spiral. In actuality, wouldn't that motion very rare? How about galaxies moving like a coin being tossed?
longtry
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2020-01-26T19:54:53.450Z
@longtry On large scales, all galaxies recede from each other, due to the expansion of the Universe, in an ordered fashion. On top of this, all galaxies have a so-called peculiar velocity of a few 100 to 1000 km/s. Only on small scales are these velocities correlated, on larger scales you’re right that they “chaotic”. But galaxies don’t tumble through space like a flipped coin. They do indeed keep their orientation, due to conservation of angular momentum (except when they collide).
pela
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2020-01-28T03:28:24.963Z
Ah, I kind of somewhat understand the picture. So, after forming the disc, those spirals will move in a straight line if undisturbed by any other nearby galaxies, right?
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2020-01-28T11:15:47.540Z
@longtry In principle yes, but in general I wouldn't say "straight", because there's usually other galaxies close enough that — although they don't immediately merge — they affect each other's trajectories. So in general, a galaxy's trajectory is somewhat curved. But that doesn't change the fact that its axis of rotation will always point in the same direction (until it _does_ smash into another galaxy). I guess a (rather poor) analogy is to  think of a drone flying up and down and right and left, without changing its orientation.
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pela
<p>Kind of like a shower thought just occurred to me. We've all seen lots of animation about <em>spiral</em> galaxies, how they crash... in virtually all of them, I recall they move in a frisbee way, that is their velocity vector is on the same plane as their disc. That sounds wrong... right? What keeps them from tumbling in a random direction in space? Why can't they move like an American football? Or a tossed coin? You know, all the stars within can still go around merrily, but nothing is keeping the whole spiral from moving in a chaotic way.</p>

<p>Before you say that I'm completely wrong to even speculate that, think of our neighbor Andromeda. Fact: its angle to us is not completely edge-on, perhaps 25deg. Fact: many scientists @NASA &amp; other great institutions made high-confident predictions that we're on a head-on crash course with it. Just those 2 facts mean Andromeda OR Milky Way can't be moving along its own plane (or both, lol).</p>

<p>EDIT: when I said galaxies I meant spirals in particular. Also, I think the question above can be rephrased as: in the case of us &amp; Andromeda, what will we see during the next 4.5Gy? Will we see our sister galaxy tumbling while coming toward us, i.e. its angle changes, its appearance dramatically transforms, not just getting bigger in apparent size?</p>

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How do galaxies move in space?
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# How do galaxies move in space?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-01-24)

Kind of like a shower thought just occurred to me. We've all seen lots of animation about *spiral* galaxies, how they crash... in virtually all of them, I recall they move in a frisbee way, that is their velocity vector is on the same plane as their disc. That sounds wrong... right? What keeps them from tumbling in a random direction in space? Why can't they move like an American football? Or a tossed coin? You know, all the stars within can still go around merrily, but nothing is keeping the whole spiral from moving in a chaotic way.

Before you say that I'm completely wrong to even speculate that, think of our neighbor Andromeda. Fact: its angle to us is not completely edge-on, perhaps 25deg. Fact: many scientists @NASA & other great institutions made high-confident predictions that we're on a head-on crash course with it. Just those 2 facts mean Andromeda OR Milky Way can't be moving along its own plane (or both, lol).

EDIT: when I said galaxies I meant spirals in particular. Also, I think the question above can be rephrased as: in the case of us & Andromeda, what will we see during the next 4.5Gy? Will we see our sister galaxy tumbling while coming toward us, i.e. its angle changes, its appearance dramatically transforms, not just getting bigger in apparent size?

**Tags:** galaxy, milky-way, galactic-dynamics, movement


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### Answer by username_1 on 2020-01-24. Score: 5

Galaxies move though space independently of the orientation of their axis of rotation. That this is true can be appreciated from the fact that their direction through space is *relative*; that is, in the reference frame of an observer that is passing the galaxy in its plane, it *is* moving like a frisbee, whereas in the reference frame of an observer who is moving along its axis of rotation, it is moving like an American football:

[![refframes](https://i.sstatic.net/em8ud.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/em8ud.jpg)

Galaxies form by accreting gas which often lies in filaments of gas, and this is thought to have a tendency to align their spins with the filaments. Higher-mass galaxies grow by mergers along filaments, which should align their spins perpendicular to the filament. I'm unsure if it has actually been confirmed observationally, but it is seen in simulations (e.g. [Krolewski et al. 2019](https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019ApJ...876...52K/abstract)). Thus, a merger between a massive and a low-mass galaxy will have a tendency to make them meet with their spins at right angles of each other. But this alignment is only in a broad, statistical sense, and mergers at all angles do indeed occur.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: let's say there's a hypothetical 'stable' point in space where we can stay @ 1 place and watch all the spirals, near & far. What'd we see? The movements would be chaotic, right? Also, your sketch displays a drill-like motion of a spiral. In actuality, wouldn't that motion very rare? How about galaxies moving like a coin being tossed?  
> **username_1**: @username_0 On large scales, all galaxies recede from each other, due to the expansion of the Universe, in an ordered fashion. On top of this, all galaxies have a so-called peculiar velocity of a few 100 to 1000 km/s. Only on small scales are these velocities correlated, on larger scales you’re right that they “chaotic”. But galaxies don’t tumble through space like a flipped coin. They do indeed keep their orientation, due to conservation of angular momentum (except when they collide).  
> **username_0**: Ah, I kind of somewhat understand the picture. So, after forming the disc, those spirals will move in a straight line if undisturbed by any other nearby galaxies, right?  
> **username_1**: @username_0 In principle yes, but in general I wouldn't say "straight", because there's usually other galaxies close enough that — although they don't immediately merge — they affect each other's trajectories. So in general, a galaxy's trajectory is somewhat curved. But that doesn't change the fact that its axis of rotation will always point in the same direction (until it _does_ smash into another galaxy). I guess a (rather poor) analogy is to  think of a drone flying up and down and right and left, without changing its orientation.  

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