<p>If you don't have to have that precise value, then the angular speed of the sun is simply this:</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$\frac{360°}{24\text{ h}}$$</span></p>
<p>We can simplify this to SI units (we won't be using radians here, for simplicity):</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$\frac{360°}{24\text{ h}}=\frac{360°}{24\text{ h}}\times \frac{1\text{ h}}{3600\text{ s}}=\frac{1}{240}\frac{°}{s}$$</span></p>
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<p>Let's suppose, that the angular speed of the sun is not constant on Earth. What would happen? The time between two <em>same</em> noons would be different. That would mean, that Earth would rotate with different angular rate on different points. We know that this isn't true, so the supposition is false. (But the Sun <em>does</em> rotate on different latitudes with different angular rates, so the angular speed of some star, looking from the Sun, depends on your location. Of course, this is theoretical and nobody has tried that yet.)</p>
<p>The angular speed doesn't depend on the latitude, but it depends on the current distance between the Sun and the Earth. For that you need true anomaly <span class="math-container">$\nu$</span>, which is given by Kepler equation, which is transcedent (it can't be solved with finite steps = you have to use computer). Why does it depend on the current distance? If the Earth would not circle around the Sun and it would be stationary, the day would last for around 23 h 56 min. But it does circle around the Sun, thus the some point on the Earth has to wait a little more, to reach the culmination of the Sun, so it lasts for 24 h. The angular speed around the Sun is through the year changing, so the true day deviates from the mean day by a really tiny amount (i think that around 30 s).</p>

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Thank you. But this simple one I knew) I looked for the precise one, considering the location, proportional to the equator. Basically, I'm looking to calculate the astronomical twilight (which is different from place to place)
Reckless Glacier
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2021-02-21T08:03:47.047Z
Note that the angular speed of the Sun doesn't change with the latitude, but it changes with the position of the Earth around the Sun (the date). More correct formula would differ from mine for about 1%, I believe.
User123
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2021-02-21T08:04:52.447Z
You can also give us your source of this precise formula, but unless you are doing some programming project with display of the Sun or length of the day, the more precise formula isn't really that useful.
User123
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Right now the problem is "what angle" is it exactly whose rate of change is being discussed.  As long as everybody talks about it but it's not carefully defined, it's going to be hard to resolve this.
uhoh
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2021-02-21T08:16:32.000Z
@uhoh I believe that the angular speed of the Sun on the celestial sphere. It could be hardly anything else, because he said: I know it takes 0.25 degrees/min ...
User123
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That's one possibility but the question might be asking about the instantaneous great circle speed of the subsolar point which would explain the "based on my position". ThT would vary by several percent.
uhoh
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What uhoh said. It's tricky keeping things straight when youre discussing circular motions. ;) The Sun's speed on the celestial sphere is a little under 1° per day. But the celestial sphere rotates through 360° in one sidereal day.
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@RecklessGlacier You can calculate the various twilights from sunrise / sunset time. You can approximate those times for any latitude using the script I linked here: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/39685/16685 But the Sun position formula used in that code isn't very accurate. It's ok for general trends, but not for accurately computing sunrise time for a specific year. The script here: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/40243/16685 uses a much better formula for the Sun's ecliptic longitude.
PM 2Ring
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User123
<p>Since you said in a comment that you want to calculate astronomical twilight, here some links that may help.</p>
<p>Some general info</p>
<p><a href="https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/astronomical-twilight/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/astronomical-twilight/</a></p>
<p>Online Tool</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dehilster.info/astronomy/astronomical_twilight.php" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.dehilster.info/astronomy/astronomical_twilight.php</a></p>
<p>Answer on Physics- Stackexchange</p>
<p><a href="https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/32796/calculating-the-time-of-dawn">https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/32796/calculating-the-time-of-dawn</a></p>
<p>Some more involved calculations with programming instructions</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stargazing.net/kepler/sunrise.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.stargazing.net/kepler/sunrise.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://gandraxa.com/length_of_day.xml" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://gandraxa.com/length_of_day.xml</a></p>
<p>(the second one does not deal with astronomical twilight (only civil and nautical) but could probably be easily modified).</p>
<p>No guarantee that either of these are useful. I just googled them and never used them.</p>

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Thomas
<p>Is there a formula for how to calculate the angular rate at which the Sun apparently moves around the Earth?
I know it takes 0.25 degrees/min, but as I understand it depends on other parameters as well (such as how close a certain place to the equator, months of the year etc.), but I'm looking for a formula that makes it easy to calculate based on my location proportional to the equator and different time of the year (unless if I'm mistaken and it's constant)</p>

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I mean simply to my location proprtional to the equator.
Reckless Glacier
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2021-02-21T07:25:16.347Z
it moves over Earth from East to West once a day, so the rotation speed is constant as hence is the speed of the apparent movement of the Sun. What varies over the year is the maximum height of the Sun over the horizon.
planetmaker
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2021-02-21T08:12:04.660Z
@planetmaker if I stand 1 meter from the south pole and run around it you could say my angular speed was 1 rad/sec about Earth's axis, but my great circle angular speed drawn fro the center of the Earth would be only $1.6 \times 10^{-7}$ rad/sec.
uhoh
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Is there a formula to calculate the angular speed at which the Sun apparently moves around the Earth?
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# Is there a formula to calculate the angular speed at which the Sun apparently moves around the Earth?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-02-21)

Is there a formula for how to calculate the angular rate at which the Sun apparently moves around the Earth?
I know it takes 0.25 degrees/min, but as I understand it depends on other parameters as well (such as how close a certain place to the equator, months of the year etc.), but I'm looking for a formula that makes it easy to calculate based on my location proportional to the equator and different time of the year (unless if I'm mistaken and it's constant)

**Tags:** astrophysics

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I mean simply to my location proprtional to the equator.  
> **username_1**: it moves over Earth from East to West once a day, so the rotation speed is constant as hence is the speed of the apparent movement of the Sun. What varies over the year is the maximum height of the Sun over the horizon.  
> **username_2**: @username_1 if I stand 1 meter from the south pole and run around it you could say my angular speed was 1 rad/sec about Earth's axis, but my great circle angular speed drawn fro the center of the Earth would be only $1.6 \times 10^{-7}$ rad/sec.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2021-02-21. Score: 1

If you don't have to have that precise value, then the angular speed of the sun is simply this:

$$\frac{360°}{24\text{ h}}$$

We can simplify this to SI units (we won't be using radians here, for simplicity):

$$\frac{360°}{24\text{ h}}=\frac{360°}{24\text{ h}}\times \frac{1\text{ h}}{3600\text{ s}}=\frac{1}{240}\frac{°}{s}$$

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Let's suppose, that the angular speed of the sun is not constant on Earth. What would happen? The time between two *same* noons would be different. That would mean, that Earth would rotate with different angular rate on different points. We know that this isn't true, so the supposition is false. (But the Sun *does* rotate on different latitudes with different angular rates, so the angular speed of some star, looking from the Sun, depends on your location. Of course, this is theoretical and nobody has tried that yet.)

The angular speed doesn't depend on the latitude, but it depends on the current distance between the Sun and the Earth. For that you need true anomaly $\nu$, which is given by Kepler equation, which is transcedent (it can't be solved with finite steps = you have to use computer). Why does it depend on the current distance? If the Earth would not circle around the Sun and it would be stationary, the day would last for around 23 h 56 min. But it does circle around the Sun, thus the some point on the Earth has to wait a little more, to reach the culmination of the Sun, so it lasts for 24 h. The angular speed around the Sun is through the year changing, so the true day deviates from the mean day by a really tiny amount (i think that around 30 s).

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thank you. But this simple one I knew) I looked for the precise one, considering the location, proportional to the equator. Basically, I'm looking to calculate the astronomical twilight (which is different from place to place)  
> **username_3**: Note that the angular speed of the Sun doesn't change with the latitude, but it changes with the position of the Earth around the Sun (the date). More correct formula would differ from mine for about 1%, I believe.  
> **username_3**: You can also give us your source of this precise formula, but unless you are doing some programming project with display of the Sun or length of the day, the more precise formula isn't really that useful.  
> **username_2**: Right now the problem is "what angle" is it exactly whose rate of change is being discussed.  As long as everybody talks about it but it's not carefully defined, it's going to be hard to resolve this.  
> **username_3**: @username_2 I believe that the angular speed of the Sun on the celestial sphere. It could be hardly anything else, because he said: I know it takes 0.25 degrees/min ...  
> **username_2**: That's one possibility but the question might be asking about the instantaneous great circle speed of the subsolar point which would explain the "based on my position". ThT would vary by several percent.  
> **username_4**: What username_2 said. It's tricky keeping things straight when youre discussing circular motions. ;) The Sun's speed on the celestial sphere is a little under 1° per day. But the celestial sphere rotates through 360° in one sidereal day.  
> **username_4**: @RecklessGlacier You can calculate the various twilights from sunrise / sunset time. You can approximate those times for any latitude using the script I linked here: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/39685/16685 But the Sun position formula used in that code isn't very accurate. It's ok for general trends, but not for accurately computing sunrise time for a specific year. The script here: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/40243/16685 uses a much better formula for the Sun's ecliptic longitude.  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2021-02-21. Score: 1

Since you said in a comment that you want to calculate astronomical twilight, here some links that may help.

Some general info

<https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/astronomical-twilight/>

Online Tool

<http://www.dehilster.info/astronomy/astronomical_twilight.php>

Answer on Physics- Stackexchange

<https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/32796/calculating-the-time-of-dawn>

Some more involved calculations with programming instructions

<http://www.stargazing.net/kepler/sunrise.html>

<http://gandraxa.com/length_of_day.xml>

(the second one does not deal with astronomical twilight (only civil and nautical) but could probably be easily modified).

No guarantee that either of these are useful. I just googled them and never used them.


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