<p>The maximum possible radius of a planet is probably unknown to date because current observation techniques not only will give us a biased view of the distribution of planet radii but it is also difficult to tell planets and brown dwarfs apart.</p>

<p>However <a href="http://www.exoplanet.eu/diagrams/" rel="noreferrer">current data</a> suggest a limit of roughly 2 Jupiter radii.</p>

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I was asking about the physical limits, not the normal formation (which produces gas giants).
JDługosz
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<p>Puffy planets tend to be Jupiter or Saturn like, probably lower mass than Jupiter, perhaps lower metalicity but the most important factor is heat.  Either close to the sun or recently formed.   Heat expands gas planets.  You're correct that as you add more mass the planet of Jupiter mass tends not to grow larger, but if there's enough internal heat, gas giant planets can get a bit larger than Jupiter.   Planets as much as 2 Jupiter Radii have been observed (though there's some inaccuracy in those estimates), but growing larger than Jupiter is largely a factor of high temperature.</p>

<p>Rocky worlds will never grow as large as Jupiter.  The greater mass will prevent it, and past a certain mass, a rocky world is unlikely to remain what we consider rocky.  Above a certain mass it holds onto hydrogen which is the most abundant gas in the universe, and that would give the massive rocky world an appearance more like a gas giant.   </p>

<p>But to answer your question in theory, if you had a rocky world with Jupiter mass and a negligible atmosphere, it could never get close to Jupiter diameter.  The mass crushes the inside of the planet.  Mercury for example is made of denser material than the earth.  Higher Iron content, but it's less dense than the Earth because the Earth's mass crushes its rocky mantle and metallic core.  When you start to get a Jupiter-mass rocky world, the crushing becomes significant and you could never build a rocky world close to as big as Jupiter.  As with hydrogen, it would reach a certain maximum size, then it would begin to get smaller under the crush of gravity.   Even so called "non compactible" material, does compact at the pressure inside large planets.   Iron has a density of 7.874 g/cm<sup>3</sup> and slightly less than that at high temperature, but the Earth's metallic core has a density of 12.6&ndash;13.0, and that's primarily due to crushing.  When you've reached Jupiter mass, the crushing and density is significantly greater.</p>

<p>At about the mass of the sun the planet would be smaller than the Earth, and it would basically resemble a white dwarf star, and no longer be distinguishable as a rocky world.   </p>

<p>I can add a few links to back this up if needed and if someone wants to run the math or give an answer with more detail, feel free.</p>

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I think this is bascally correct. A giant planet is supported by degeneracy pressure at its core, which depends on density and how many electrons there are per atomic mass unit. "Rocky material" has fewer than hydrogen, therefore rocky Jupiter's (they would still be gas/fluid) will be a little smaller.
ProfRob
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@RobJeffries  Some very bad math, if we assume twice as much mass per electron, basically twice the density, then it comes out to a radius of roughly 80%, however, the smaller radius with equal mass corresponds to 59% greater gravity, so 59% greater crushing, which increases as it grows smaller.   A very rough estimate, I think you're looking at a maximum size of 70%-75% of the radius, intuitively I would think the higher concentration of Iron and significantly lower hydrogen would shrink the planet more than that, but I think that's about the ceiling in this theoretical.
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I don't understand your point. In a (ideal) completely degenerate situation, for a fixed mass, the radius depends on $\mu_e^{-5/3}$, where $\mu_e$ is the number of mass units per electron. For pure hydrogen $\mu_e=1$, pure iron has $\mu_e=2.15$. But gas giants aren't pure hydrogen and rocky material isn't pure iron.
ProfRob
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I guess the point is only that 2 to the -3/5 is pretty significant.   That works out to about 66% of the radius.  I guess it depends on what you consider "a little smaller".  Probably silly to work it out more accurately and/or debate semantics of "a little".  Obviously a rocky Jupiter wouldn't happen as it would naturally collect hydrogen and have a fair percentage of gas around it, but the question was on the size of a rocky Jupiter.   70% of the radius seems a fair ballpark estimate unless I'm missing something.
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<p>I know that normal planets don't get any larger than Jupiter (or 2 Jupiter radii if hot), as adding more gas just increases density, not radius, until you reach the point of being a brown dwarf star.</p>

<p>That compressability, I suppose, is a property of the overall average material that forms star systems, as beyond a critical size it accretes the ambiant gas as well as dust in the cloud.  That is, it's mostly hydrogen and a quarter helium with a bit of other stuff.</p>

<p>But what about a body made of other stuff, such as rock or metal? Without worrying about planetary formation processes, just that atoms are piled together and feel self gravity. Perhaps it needs to be grown slowly so it has time to cool before adding more. Otherwise, no special techniques: just what would happen if material of suitable composition was heaped together?</p>

<p>I suspect that normal ideas of minerals would not exist under that kind of pressure, even if carefully allowed to cool. But can elements other than H and He still compress their volume in the same way, or would a rocky world be able to reach sizes of <em>millions</em> of miles?</p>

<p>What about more exotic cases, like the "puffy" planet I heard of that has the density of styrofoam?</p>

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How large (that is, radius) could a planet be?
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# How large (that is, radius) could a planet be?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-06-01)

I know that normal planets don't get any larger than Jupiter (or 2 Jupiter radii if hot), as adding more gas just increases density, not radius, until you reach the point of being a brown dwarf star.

That compressability, I suppose, is a property of the overall average material that forms star systems, as beyond a critical size it accretes the ambiant gas as well as dust in the cloud. That is, it's mostly hydrogen and a quarter helium with a bit of other stuff.

But what about a body made of other stuff, such as rock or metal? Without worrying about planetary formation processes, just that atoms are piled together and feel self gravity. Perhaps it needs to be grown slowly so it has time to cool before adding more. Otherwise, no special techniques: just what would happen if material of suitable composition was heaped together?

I suspect that normal ideas of minerals would not exist under that kind of pressure, even if carefully allowed to cool. But can elements other than H and He still compress their volume in the same way, or would a rocky world be able to reach sizes of *millions* of miles?

What about more exotic cases, like the "puffy" planet I heard of that has the density of styrofoam?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2016-06-01. Score: 11 | Accepted answer

Puffy planets tend to be Jupiter or Saturn like, probably lower mass than Jupiter, perhaps lower metalicity but the most important factor is heat. Either close to the sun or recently formed. Heat expands gas planets. You're correct that as you add more mass the planet of Jupiter mass tends not to grow larger, but if there's enough internal heat, gas giant planets can get a bit larger than Jupiter. Planets as much as 2 Jupiter Radii have been observed (though there's some inaccuracy in those estimates), but growing larger than Jupiter is largely a factor of high temperature.

Rocky worlds will never grow as large as Jupiter. The greater mass will prevent it, and past a certain mass, a rocky world is unlikely to remain what we consider rocky. Above a certain mass it holds onto hydrogen which is the most abundant gas in the universe, and that would give the massive rocky world an appearance more like a gas giant.

But to answer your question in theory, if you had a rocky world with Jupiter mass and a negligible atmosphere, it could never get close to Jupiter diameter. The mass crushes the inside of the planet. Mercury for example is made of denser material than the earth. Higher Iron content, but it's less dense than the Earth because the Earth's mass crushes its rocky mantle and metallic core. When you start to get a Jupiter-mass rocky world, the crushing becomes significant and you could never build a rocky world close to as big as Jupiter. As with hydrogen, it would reach a certain maximum size, then it would begin to get smaller under the crush of gravity. Even so called "non compactible" material, does compact at the pressure inside large planets. Iron has a density of 7.874 g/cm3 and slightly less than that at high temperature, but the Earth's metallic core has a density of 12.6–13.0, and that's primarily due to crushing. When you've reached Jupiter mass, the crushing and density is significantly greater.

At about the mass of the sun the planet would be smaller than the Earth, and it would basically resemble a white dwarf star, and no longer be distinguishable as a rocky world.

I can add a few links to back this up if needed and if someone wants to run the math or give an answer with more detail, feel free.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: I think this is bascally correct. A giant planet is supported by degeneracy pressure at its core, which depends on density and how many electrons there are per atomic mass unit. "Rocky material" has fewer than hydrogen, therefore rocky Jupiter's (they would still be gas/fluid) will be a little smaller.  
> **username_2**: @RobJeffries  Some very bad math, if we assume twice as much mass per electron, basically twice the density, then it comes out to a radius of roughly 80%, however, the smaller radius with equal mass corresponds to 59% greater gravity, so 59% greater crushing, which increases as it grows smaller.   A very rough estimate, I think you're looking at a maximum size of 70%-75% of the radius, intuitively I would think the higher concentration of Iron and significantly lower hydrogen would shrink the planet more than that, but I think that's about the ceiling in this theoretical.  
> **username_3**: I don't understand your point. In a (ideal) completely degenerate situation, for a fixed mass, the radius depends on $\mu_e^{-5/3}$, where $\mu_e$ is the number of mass units per electron. For pure hydrogen $\mu_e=1$, pure iron has $\mu_e=2.15$. But gas giants aren't pure hydrogen and rocky material isn't pure iron.  
> **username_2**: I guess the point is only that 2 to the -3/5 is pretty significant.   That works out to about 66% of the radius.  I guess it depends on what you consider "a little smaller".  Probably silly to work it out more accurately and/or debate semantics of "a little".  Obviously a rocky Jupiter wouldn't happen as it would naturally collect hydrogen and have a fair percentage of gas around it, but the question was on the size of a rocky Jupiter.   70% of the radius seems a fair ballpark estimate unless I'm missing something.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2016-06-01. Score: 5

The maximum possible radius of a planet is probably unknown to date because current observation techniques not only will give us a biased view of the distribution of planet radii but it is also difficult to tell planets and brown dwarfs apart.

However [current data](http://www.exoplanet.eu/diagrams/) suggest a limit of roughly 2 Jupiter radii.

[![The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia](https://i.sstatic.net/Xsudy.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/Xsudy.png)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I was asking about the physical limits, not the normal formation (which produces gas giants).  

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