<p>First the good new, the angular extent, or distance between two points, is constant regardless of the coordinate system used to define the locations.</p>
<p>The bad news is that the computation is more complicated than just taking the difference of coordinates or applying the Pythagorean formula.</p>
<p>We will start with the celestial coordinate system first and then discuss application to other coordinate systems.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/7aR48.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/7aR48.png" alt="Celestial coordinate system" /></a><br/>
Image from <a href="https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/skills/a-guide-to-celestial-coordinates/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">A guide to celestial coordinates</a><br/></p>
<p>Celestial coordinates are a form of spherical coordinates where the axis are right ascension (the equivalent of longitude) and declination (angle from the celestial equator).</p>
<p>After performing some spherical trigonometry the expression for <a href="http://astrophysicsformulas.com/astronomy-formulas-astrophysics-formulas/angular-distance-between-two-points-on-a-sphere/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Angular Distance Between Two Points on a Sphere</a> is found to be:
<span class="math-container">$$\Psi = \arccos\left(\sin\theta_1\sin\theta_2 + \cos\theta_1cos\theta_2\cos(\phi_1-\phi_2)\right)$$</span>
where <span class="math-container">$\Psi$</span> is the angular separation, <span class="math-container">$\phi_1$</span> and <span class="math-container">$\phi_2$</span> are the right ascensions of the first and second direction, and <span class="math-container">$\theta_1$</span> and <span class="math-container">$\theta_2$</span> are the declinations of the first and second direction.</p>
<p>This same expression can be applied to any spherical coordinate system, regardless of the location of the poles.  You will need to be careful to identify the equivalent of the right declinations and declination, and also be aware of if angles are measured from the equator or the poles.</p>

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<p>If I want to measure the beam-width of a radio telescope sweeping through a ~ puntual object (the Sun) with a ~ constant flux output when measured:</p>
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<p>The value measured sweeping in one frame of reference (and coordinate system), will be the same if it's measured using another frame, right?</p>
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<p>If I point to the Sun and sweep in alt-az, I suspect that measurement will be at least roughly similar to a measurement w.r.t e.g., a star on the plane of the Milky Way (using l,b). This because the same principle should be applied for a radio (or any other signal) emitter: a measured angle difference <span class="math-container">$\Delta \theta$</span> should be the same in another frame.</p>
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<p>What puzzles me is to think that an arbitrary frame could scale any measured quantity but I'm not sure at all.</p>
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<p>This could be seen in stellarium as:</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/EPEPC.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/EPEPC.png" alt="gal. and altaz frames" /></a></p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/psqj7.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/psqj7.png" alt="zooming in" /></a></p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/WJaIc.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/WJaIc.png" alt="diferences of angles match each other" /></a></p>
<p>I apologize if this is a weird, vague or naive question.</p>

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These are different, but related: [What was the field of view of the Ohio State University Radio Observatory of Wow! signal fame?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/35091/7982) and [Radio telescope targeting](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/14525) and [How is the field of view of a radio telescope determined?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/36776)
uhoh
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Are you asking about the difference between the lines of constant angle in the different coordinate systems and how they relate to true angular extent?  If that's the case I think an answer can be written.
GrapefruitIsAwesome
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@GrapefruitIsAwesome I'm asking about the difference between measuring an angular or distance related quantity for an object in different frame of references. For instance, distance and angle measurements for different alt. values will depend on cos(alt) but on the other hand, if I measure a property of an antenna, it should not depend on the frame I chose. Sweeping the sun to find the radiation pattern in azimuth or altitude coordinates should yield the same if sweeping longitude or latitude, right?
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About coordinate systems and angle differences
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# About coordinate systems and angle differences

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-01-19)

If I want to measure the beam-width of a radio telescope sweeping through a ~ puntual object (the Sun) with a ~ constant flux output when measured:

> The value measured sweeping in one frame of reference (and coordinate system), will be the same if it's measured using another frame, right?

If I point to the Sun and sweep in alt-az, I suspect that measurement will be at least roughly similar to a measurement w.r.t e.g., a star on the plane of the Milky Way (using l,b). This because the same principle should be applied for a radio (or any other signal) emitter: a measured angle difference $\Delta \theta$ should be the same in another frame.

> What puzzles me is to think that an arbitrary frame could scale any measured quantity but I'm not sure at all.

**EDIT**

This could be seen in stellarium as:

[![gal. and altaz frames](https://i.sstatic.net/EPEPC.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/EPEPC.png)

[![zooming in](https://i.sstatic.net/psqj7.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/psqj7.png)

[![diferences of angles match each other](https://i.sstatic.net/WJaIc.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/WJaIc.png)

I apologize if this is a weird, vague or naive question.

**Tags:** observational-astronomy, radio-astronomy, positional-astronomy

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: These are different, but related: [What was the field of view of the Ohio State University Radio Observatory of Wow! signal fame?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/35091/7982) and [Radio telescope targeting](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/14525) and [How is the field of view of a radio telescope determined?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/36776)  
> **username_2**: Are you asking about the difference between the lines of constant angle in the different coordinate systems and how they relate to true angular extent?  If that's the case I think an answer can be written.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 I'm asking about the difference between measuring an angular or distance related quantity for an object in different frame of references. For instance, distance and angle measurements for different alt. values will depend on cos(alt) but on the other hand, if I measure a property of an antenna, it should not depend on the frame I chose. Sweeping the sun to find the radiation pattern in azimuth or altitude coordinates should yield the same if sweeping longitude or latitude, right?  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2022-02-19. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

First the good new, the angular extent, or distance between two points, is constant regardless of the coordinate system used to define the locations.

The bad news is that the computation is more complicated than just taking the difference of coordinates or applying the Pythagorean formula.

We will start with the celestial coordinate system first and then discuss application to other coordinate systems.

[![Celestial coordinate system](https://i.sstatic.net/7aR48.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/7aR48.png)  
Image from [A guide to celestial coordinates](https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/skills/a-guide-to-celestial-coordinates/)

Celestial coordinates are a form of spherical coordinates where the axis are right ascension (the equivalent of longitude) and declination (angle from the celestial equator).

After performing some spherical trigonometry the expression for [Angular Distance Between Two Points on a Sphere](http://astrophysicsformulas.com/astronomy-formulas-astrophysics-formulas/angular-distance-between-two-points-on-a-sphere/) is found to be:
$$\Psi = \arccos\left(\sin\theta\_1\sin\theta\_2 + \cos\theta\_1cos\theta\_2\cos(\phi\_1-\phi\_2)\right)$$
where $\Psi$ is the angular separation, $\phi\_1$ and $\phi\_2$ are the right ascensions of the first and second direction, and $\theta\_1$ and $\theta\_2$ are the declinations of the first and second direction.

This same expression can be applied to any spherical coordinate system, regardless of the location of the poles. You will need to be careful to identify the equivalent of the right declinations and declination, and also be aware of if angles are measured from the equator or the poles.


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