<p>This is a big one, so I'll split it into parts based on the questions you asked:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>1) Earth has roughly a distance of 1 AU to the sun, Saturn between 9 and 10. Sun's gravity would therefore have a much stronger influence on these rings. Would it already be enough to distort the rings (e.g. even leading to the sun "stealing" parts of it) or would the rings still have a ring shape?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Sun would not have too much of an influence because the rings are all individually gravitationally bound to the earth (similar to the moon, and you don't see moon being affected by the sun, gravitationally; the rings will be much closer to the earth and hence even less affected).</p>

<p>The moon, on the other hand, would distort a few rings due to orbital resonances (similar to Titan Ringlets: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Colombo_Gap_and_Titan_Ringlet" rel="noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Colombo_Gap_and_Titan_Ringlet</a> and resonant gaps in asteroid belts due to Jovian planets: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkwood_gap" rel="noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkwood_gap</a>), and its effect would be much more pronounced because it is closer to the earth than Titan is to Saturn, though limited to a few resonant regions. There will also be ripples if the plane of the moon is different from the plane of the rings (<a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/11/saturns-rings-do-the-wave/#.U7VjpvmSw08" rel="noreferrer">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/11/saturns-rings-do-the-wave/#.U7VjpvmSw08</a>).</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>2) How well would the objects in such rings be visible from earth? The
  Saturn rings are mostly dust and ice as far as I know, but there are
  surely some larger objects. Depending on material and size some object
  would probably be visible to the naked eye, right? Is there (probably
  yes) a formula to calculate what materials and sizes are required to
  achieve this?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Most matter in Saturn's ring is particles up to a few metres in size (<a href="http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/FAQSaturn/#q6" rel="noreferrer">http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/FAQSaturn/#q6</a>). Resolution of the human eye is about 1' (<a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/2398/is-the-moon-only-60-pixels">Is the moon only 60 pixels?</a>), which means at a distance of around 1 to 1.5 Earth radii (given by Roche limit of the earth; this is where the rings will be), the eye can resolve things above a couple of kilometres in size. However, Saturn also has Shepherd moons, which are a few tens of kilometers in size. Such moons, if present, would be visible to naked eye. Also, the gaps would be visible clearly, since they are often big enough.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>3) Would those rings not be constantly raining particles down on
  earth? Would there be a much higher risk of dangerous impacts for the
  earth's population?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>There would be collisions/interactions in the rings (I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong) which would send particles earthwards. However, the particles which will get thrown will be the lighter, smaller ones (conservation of momentum etc.), and usually small meteoroids are fairly harmless. They will also be slower than the usual meteoroids that enter the earth at above 20 km/s, since the orbital motion of the earth doesn't add up in this case. I am a little unsure about the consequences of them being slower, but anyway, smaller meteoroids should technically be fairly harmless. (Also I couldn't find decent references other than: <a href="http://science.howstuffworks.com/question486.htm" rel="noreferrer">http://science.howstuffworks.com/question486.htm</a>)</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>4) Are the colours used in the video precise? Don't they depend on the
  angle? What influence would our atmosphere have onto them?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I believe so. This section shows true colour images of the rings from two different angles, and there doesn't seem to be a significant change in the colouration: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Subdivisions_and_structures_within_the_rings" rel="noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Subdivisions_and_structures_within_the_rings</a>. The atmosphere will probably affect the rings closer to the horizon, with redder colouration similar to sunrise/sunset and moonrise/moonset.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>5) Would those rings have the same orbital inclination or would theirs
  differ from earth's to an extent where the difference becomes visible?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Depends largely on the formation history. This FAQ question here discusses this fairly well: <a href="http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/FAQSaturn/#q14" rel="noreferrer">http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/FAQSaturn/#q14</a></p>

<blockquote>
  <p>6) What shadow would these rings cause on earth? Would they be dense
  enough to "shade out" complete stretchs of land?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>There will be shadow similar to that due to clouds, since the rings are not too thick or dense. In many of the Cassini photos, you can see through the rings, so it is likely that the sunlight would still pass through, but would be dimmed (it would be interesting to see by what factor; I cannot say for sure with my knowledge). Also, remember that the earth will still be rotating but the ring system will be dynamically static, so there will be extended periods of darkness during the day for some regions at different times of the year.</p>

<p>I will add more to this if something comes to mind. I hope this was helpful.</p>

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This was more than just helpful, great insights, thank you very much! I can't upvote yet with my reputation here, but I made it the accepted answer already. Thank you for your effort, it's really interesting.
Patric Hartmann
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I would be interested in an expansion on #6 (if that's appropriate). How would the rings affect the weather and temperature on Earth?
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<p>I came across this video recently where artists depicted what it would look like if Earth had rings like Saturn. <a href="http://www.wimp.com/earthrings/">http://www.wimp.com/earthrings/</a></p>

<p>Please note: The video contains already some information on what I ask here, but I can't assess its reliability, therefore I'd appreciate any scientific thoughts on it :)</p>

<p>1) Earth has roughly a distance of 1 AU to the sun, Saturn between 9 and 10. Sun's gravity would therefore have a much stronger influence on these rings. Would it already be enough to distort the rings (e.g. even leading to the sun "stealing" parts of it) or would the rings still have a ring shape?</p>

<p>2) How well would the objects in such rings be visible from earth? The Saturn rings are mostly dust and ice as far as I know, but there are surely some larger objects. Depending on material and size some object would probably be visible to the naked eye, right? Is there (probably yes) a formula to calculate what materials and sizes are required to achieve this?</p>

<p>3) Would those rings not be constantly raining particles down on earth? Would there be a much higher risk of dangerous impacts for the earth's population?</p>

<p>4) Are the colours used in the video precise? Don't they depend on the angle? What influence would our atmosphere have onto them?</p>

<p>5) Would those rings have the same orbital inclination or would theirs differ from earth's to an extent where the difference becomes visible?</p>

<p>6) What shadow would these rings cause on earth? Would they be dense enough to "shade out" complete stretchs of land?</p>

<p>I'm aware that these are hypothetical questions. But I find it, especially as an author of sci-fi and fantasy, nonetheless very interesting.</p>

<p>Thank you for your interest!</p>

<p>Pat</p>

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I tried looking in wayback machine to try to update the link in the question, but unfortunately I couldn't find the image (or video?) referred to. However, I found similar images on [this](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/281828/if-earth-had-rings) question. is any one of those the one referred to in the link in this question? (if so, perhaps the image could be included in the question, since it appears the link no longer leads to the initially intended image)
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"If earth had rings like Saturn": A few further thoughts on the consequences
Patric Hartmann
# "If earth had rings like Saturn": A few further thoughts on the consequences

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-07-03)

I came across this video recently where artists depicted what it would look like if Earth had rings like Saturn. <http://www.wimp.com/earthrings/>

Please note: The video contains already some information on what I ask here, but I can't assess its reliability, therefore I'd appreciate any scientific thoughts on it :)

1) Earth has roughly a distance of 1 AU to the sun, Saturn between 9 and 10. Sun's gravity would therefore have a much stronger influence on these rings. Would it already be enough to distort the rings (e.g. even leading to the sun "stealing" parts of it) or would the rings still have a ring shape?

2) How well would the objects in such rings be visible from earth? The Saturn rings are mostly dust and ice as far as I know, but there are surely some larger objects. Depending on material and size some object would probably be visible to the naked eye, right? Is there (probably yes) a formula to calculate what materials and sizes are required to achieve this?

3) Would those rings not be constantly raining particles down on earth? Would there be a much higher risk of dangerous impacts for the earth's population?

4) Are the colours used in the video precise? Don't they depend on the angle? What influence would our atmosphere have onto them?

5) Would those rings have the same orbital inclination or would theirs differ from earth's to an extent where the difference becomes visible?

6) What shadow would these rings cause on earth? Would they be dense enough to "shade out" complete stretchs of land?

I'm aware that these are hypothetical questions. But I find it, especially as an author of sci-fi and fantasy, nonetheless very interesting.

Thank you for your interest!

Pat

**Tags:** earth, saturn

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I tried looking in wayback machine to try to update the link in the question, but unfortunately I couldn't find the image (or video?) referred to. However, I found similar images on [this](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/281828/if-earth-had-rings) question. is any one of those the one referred to in the link in this question? (if so, perhaps the image could be included in the question, since it appears the link no longer leads to the initially intended image)  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2014-07-03. Score: 15 | Accepted answer

This is a big one, so I'll split it into parts based on the questions you asked:

> 1) Earth has roughly a distance of 1 AU to the sun, Saturn between 9 and 10. Sun's gravity would therefore have a much stronger influence on these rings. Would it already be enough to distort the rings (e.g. even leading to the sun "stealing" parts of it) or would the rings still have a ring shape?

Sun would not have too much of an influence because the rings are all individually gravitationally bound to the earth (similar to the moon, and you don't see moon being affected by the sun, gravitationally; the rings will be much closer to the earth and hence even less affected).

The moon, on the other hand, would distort a few rings due to orbital resonances (similar to Titan Ringlets: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Colombo_Gap_and_Titan_Ringlet> and resonant gaps in asteroid belts due to Jovian planets: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkwood_gap>), and its effect would be much more pronounced because it is closer to the earth than Titan is to Saturn, though limited to a few resonant regions. There will also be ripples if the plane of the moon is different from the plane of the rings (<http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/11/saturns-rings-do-the-wave/#.U7VjpvmSw08>).

> 2) How well would the objects in such rings be visible from earth? The
> Saturn rings are mostly dust and ice as far as I know, but there are
> surely some larger objects. Depending on material and size some object
> would probably be visible to the naked eye, right? Is there (probably
> yes) a formula to calculate what materials and sizes are required to
> achieve this?

Most matter in Saturn's ring is particles up to a few metres in size (<http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/FAQSaturn/#q6>). Resolution of the human eye is about 1' ([Is the moon only 60 pixels?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/2398/is-the-moon-only-60-pixels)), which means at a distance of around 1 to 1.5 Earth radii (given by Roche limit of the earth; this is where the rings will be), the eye can resolve things above a couple of kilometres in size. However, Saturn also has Shepherd moons, which are a few tens of kilometers in size. Such moons, if present, would be visible to naked eye. Also, the gaps would be visible clearly, since they are often big enough.

> 3) Would those rings not be constantly raining particles down on
> earth? Would there be a much higher risk of dangerous impacts for the
> earth's population?

There would be collisions/interactions in the rings (I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong) which would send particles earthwards. However, the particles which will get thrown will be the lighter, smaller ones (conservation of momentum etc.), and usually small meteoroids are fairly harmless. They will also be slower than the usual meteoroids that enter the earth at above 20 km/s, since the orbital motion of the earth doesn't add up in this case. I am a little unsure about the consequences of them being slower, but anyway, smaller meteoroids should technically be fairly harmless. (Also I couldn't find decent references other than: <http://science.howstuffworks.com/question486.htm>)

> 4) Are the colours used in the video precise? Don't they depend on the
> angle? What influence would our atmosphere have onto them?

I believe so. This section shows true colour images of the rings from two different angles, and there doesn't seem to be a significant change in the colouration: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Subdivisions_and_structures_within_the_rings>. The atmosphere will probably affect the rings closer to the horizon, with redder colouration similar to sunrise/sunset and moonrise/moonset.

> 5) Would those rings have the same orbital inclination or would theirs
> differ from earth's to an extent where the difference becomes visible?

Depends largely on the formation history. This FAQ question here discusses this fairly well: <http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/FAQSaturn/#q14>

> 6) What shadow would these rings cause on earth? Would they be dense
> enough to "shade out" complete stretchs of land?

There will be shadow similar to that due to clouds, since the rings are not too thick or dense. In many of the Cassini photos, you can see through the rings, so it is likely that the sunlight would still pass through, but would be dimmed (it would be interesting to see by what factor; I cannot say for sure with my knowledge). Also, remember that the earth will still be rotating but the ring system will be dynamically static, so there will be extended periods of darkness during the day for some regions at different times of the year.

I will add more to this if something comes to mind. I hope this was helpful.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: This was more than just helpful, great insights, thank you very much! I can't upvote yet with my reputation here, but I made it the accepted answer already. Thank you for your effort, it's really interesting.  
> **username_3**: I would be interested in an expansion on #6 (if that's appropriate). How would the rings affect the weather and temperature on Earth?  

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