<p>Your scheme of creating energy from the tidal forces in a pair of orbiting planets cannot work because of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">law of conservation of energy</a> (aka the 1st law of thermodynamics), which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. </p>

<p>It takes energy to set the 2 planets in orbit around each other, and any energy you obtain via tidal effects will reduce that store of orbital energy. In other words, the orbiting planets act as an energy storage system, they cannot create energy. </p>

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<p>Say, let's suppose the universe ends in an open universe, with the Universe expanding, but not going to such an extent that the big rip theory will take place. Obviously, the only things left would be stellar remnants and perhaps debris such as asteroids or comets in deep freeze. </p>

<p>Then suppose that many civilizations have teamed together to survive this end, and they have complicated technology, such as, but not limited to faster than light travel, star or planet manipulation, and the ability to create artificial black holes, artificial wormholes(assuming they exist), and many other things if they have the energy and resources to do so. </p>

<p>The distance between galaxies are super large at this point, probably several trillion parsecs. Now, suppose that this time is where white dwarfs have all burned out, and neutron stars have either died due to neutron decay(assuming this is possible), or swallowed by black holes. Now, we see that that the universe is made of loose rocks and debris with black holes scattered around trillions of parsecs.</p>

<p>Then, suppose a groups of living beings want to live on in such a universe. There are no other energy generation methods that will last, and last forever(ex. solar, wind, water, nuclear, putting asteroids in black holes and collecting the energy...). Thus, they use a simple energy/heat generation method, tidal forces. They make a binary planet system with the two planets close enough and rotating/orbiting around the barycenter fast enough with each other to generate heat via tidal forces. The tidal forces' generated heat power should power wind and water power via convection.</p>

<p>Now, we know that binary systems are not forever. They eventually spiral together. We can suppose that the living beings have thousands of engines that will activate and propel the planets away from each other so their previous orbit if the orbit spirals too in, powered by the heat energy from the tidal forces on each planet to avoid such thing from happening. </p>

<p>This model should be a feasible counter for such end of the universe. Now, is this model viable, or is there some kind of flaw in my thinking that will render such model null?</p>

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<p>If you need clarification, just ask and I will elaborate.</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Max0815</p>

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2019-02-27T00:27:09.017Z
The binary planet system is a way to store energy, it doesn't create energy.
PM 2Ring
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How though? Wouldn't tidal forces generate pull which happens to create energy?
Max0815
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2019-02-27T01:38:58.840Z
When tidal forces do their thing it "consumes" energy from the orbiting bodies. Eg, the tides that the Moon produces on Earth are gradually slowing down the speed that the Moon orbits, and the speed that the Earth spins.
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2019-02-27T01:39:50.093Z
@PM2Ring shoot. Really? Can you give me an article or something?
Max0815
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_heating This energy gained by the object comes from its gravitational energy
PM 2Ring
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@PM 2Ring... oh. Welp then can u reply an answer so I can mark this question as answered?
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To the one who downvoted. Why? Imagine if you were thinking how the universe would end, and suddenly realized that Io on Jupiter is manipulated by tidal heating, and excitedly asked this on ASE. You would be naturally excited. Realizing that this isn't true, I gladly accept. However, what part of this question deserves a downvote? Why? Just plain confused. Perhaps if you elaborate, and don't shrink away leaving a downvote unexplained, your downvote would be respected. Otherwise, you are just one of those people that downvote for fun.
Max0815
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2019-03-02T10:21:03.937Z
Why was this downvoted?
Max0815
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2019-03-03T03:44:14.453Z
People aren't required to explain their votes, but maybe the downvoter thought your question lacks evidence of prior research. Or maybe they thought that it's just not a useful question for this site.
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@PM2Ring I see what you mean.
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Possible scenarios for life in the death of open universe possible?
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# Possible scenarios for life in the death of open universe possible?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-02-26)

Say, let's suppose the universe ends in an open universe, with the Universe expanding, but not going to such an extent that the big rip theory will take place. Obviously, the only things left would be stellar remnants and perhaps debris such as asteroids or comets in deep freeze.

Then suppose that many civilizations have teamed together to survive this end, and they have complicated technology, such as, but not limited to faster than light travel, star or planet manipulation, and the ability to create artificial black holes, artificial wormholes(assuming they exist), and many other things if they have the energy and resources to do so.

The distance between galaxies are super large at this point, probably several trillion parsecs. Now, suppose that this time is where white dwarfs have all burned out, and neutron stars have either died due to neutron decay(assuming this is possible), or swallowed by black holes. Now, we see that that the universe is made of loose rocks and debris with black holes scattered around trillions of parsecs.

Then, suppose a groups of living beings want to live on in such a universe. There are no other energy generation methods that will last, and last forever(ex. solar, wind, water, nuclear, putting asteroids in black holes and collecting the energy...). Thus, they use a simple energy/heat generation method, tidal forces. They make a binary planet system with the two planets close enough and rotating/orbiting around the barycenter fast enough with each other to generate heat via tidal forces. The tidal forces' generated heat power should power wind and water power via convection.

Now, we know that binary systems are not forever. They eventually spiral together. We can suppose that the living beings have thousands of engines that will activate and propel the planets away from each other so their previous orbit if the orbit spirals too in, powered by the heat energy from the tidal forces on each planet to avoid such thing from happening.

This model should be a feasible counter for such end of the universe. Now, is this model viable, or is there some kind of flaw in my thinking that will render such model null?

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If you need clarification, just ask and I will elaborate.

Thanks!

username_0

**Tags:** fate-of-universe, theories

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The binary planet system is a way to store energy, it doesn't create energy.  
> **username_0**: How though? Wouldn't tidal forces generate pull which happens to create energy?  
> **username_1**: When tidal forces do their thing it "consumes" energy from the orbiting bodies. Eg, the tides that the Moon produces on Earth are gradually slowing down the speed that the Moon orbits, and the speed that the Earth spins.  
> **username_0**: @username_1 shoot. Really? Can you give me an article or something?  
> **username_1**: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_heating This energy gained by the object comes from its gravitational energy  
> **username_0**: @username_1... oh. Welp then can u reply an answer so I can mark this question as answered?  
> **username_0**: To the one who downvoted. Why? Imagine if you were thinking how the universe would end, and suddenly realized that Io on Jupiter is manipulated by tidal heating, and excitedly asked this on ASE. You would be naturally excited. Realizing that this isn't true, I gladly accept. However, what part of this question deserves a downvote? Why? Just plain confused. Perhaps if you elaborate, and don't shrink away leaving a downvote unexplained, your downvote would be respected. Otherwise, you are just one of those people that downvote for fun.  
> **username_0**: Why was this downvoted?  
> **username_1**: People aren't required to explain their votes, but maybe the downvoter thought your question lacks evidence of prior research. Or maybe they thought that it's just not a useful question for this site.  
> **username_0**: @username_1 I see what you mean.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2019-02-27. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Your scheme of creating energy from the tidal forces in a pair of orbiting planets cannot work because of the [law of conservation of energy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy) (aka the 1st law of thermodynamics), which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another.

It takes energy to set the 2 planets in orbit around each other, and any energy you obtain via tidal effects will reduce that store of orbital energy. In other words, the orbiting planets act as an energy storage system, they cannot create energy.


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