<p>I've found the answer to this is actually very interesting and (to me, at least) surprising — it is not just the light cone that shrinks, but the cosmic event horizon as well! To explain this, let us first look at a de Sitter universe. The scale factor $a$ of a de Sitter universe can be expressed as a function of time with:</p>

<p>$$a(t) = e^{kt}$$</p>

<p>where $k$ is some constant, depending on the specifics of our universe (in a de Sitter universe, $k = H$, the Hubble parameter). A universe dominated by phantom energy is actually pretty similar to a de Sitter universe, but the expansion rate gets exponentially faster. Thus, in a Big Rip universe $k$ is time dependent ($\dot{k} &gt; 0$), so the scale factor can be written as:</p>

<p>$$a(t) = e^{k(t)t}$$</p>

<p>Why is this relevant? Well, the comoving distance to the event horizon is actually inversely proportional to $a$ and $k$:</p>

<p>$$d_{eh}(t)\propto\frac{1}{a(t)k(t)}$$</p>

<p>In a de Sitter universe (and our own universe, assuming $w = -1$), $k$ is equal to the Hubble constant, so the event horizon’s distance will remain constant (in a de Sitter universe, the $\dot{H} = 0$ because the deceleration parameter $q=-1$). In a Rip universe, $k$ is time dependent; as $k$ increases, the distance to the horizon decreases.</p>

<p>From this formula, we can see that the event horizon’s distance is inversely proportional to the scale factor; thus, if $a(t)$ reaches infinity, the event horizon’s distance will reach zero. This means that the Big Rip can be defined as either the scale factor reaching infinity, or the observable universe’s diameter reaching zero — these two events happen at the same time.</p>

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In this case it seems that the edge of the "observable universe" is defined as the event horizon, however I've read that the edge of the observable universe is actually the particle horizon. Do you mind clarifying that?
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@curious_cosmo - for the difference between those horizons see the corresponding [spacetime diagrams](https://relativity.yukterez.net/o/bigrip.html).
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Sir Cumference
<p>As far as I know, the Big Rip occurs when the scale factor reaches infinity in a finite time. This will only happen in a universe dominated by phantom energy (i.e. a universe with an equation of state of $&lt; -1$). However, according to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip#Expansion" rel="noreferrer">Wikipedia</a>,</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>A universe dominated by phantom energy is an accelerating universe, expanding at an ever-increasing rate. However, this implies that the size of the observable universe is continually shrinking; the distance to the edge of the observable universe which is moving away at the speed of light from any point moves ever closer. When the size of the observable universe becomes smaller than any particular structure, no interaction by any of the fundamental forces can occur between the most remote parts of the structure. When these interactions become impossible, the structure is "ripped apart".</p>
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<p>On Wikipedia, there is a "[why]" tag, indicating that this wasn't explained very well.</p>

<p>This raises two questions. In a universe dominated by phantom energy, why would the observable universe not continue growing and approaching the cosmic event horizon? After all, its comoving distance is just $\int_0^t \frac{\mathrm{d}t}{a(t)}$, so shouldn't it just monotonically increase?</p>

<p>More confusingly, Wikipedia implied that the Big Rip occurs when the observable universe's radius becomes incredibly small and the fundamental forces can no longer hold any structure together, rather than when the scale factor reaches infinity. Am I right in assuming these are separate events, or do they occur at the same time?</p>

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Sigh...a downvote without an explanation? What part of this question was unclear?
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It may be someone saw "big rip" and assumed it was a bad question.   I think your asked a solid question and I agree with your conclusion that those are 2 separate events and the Wiki article is probably flawed.    Your question got me thinking about this and reading - so, thumbs up for that, even though I generally consider the big rip to be more of a science channel boogeyman than real science, but there's some real math behind it and that's what you focused on in your question.   Maybe try the physics board, some answers already there:   http://physics.stackexchange.com/search?q=big+rip
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@userLTK Thanks! Not sure what you mean by "science channel boogeyman", though, since it's actually a really interesting (and complicated) cosmological model and still a possibility for our own universe.
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It's something that some science channel shows like to talk about with ominous music in the background because it's "scary" and a good ending to a 60 minute show.   Gamma ray bursts vaporizing our planet is another one they like.   Not the channel itself, just some of the "universe" shows on the channel.
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How can the observable universe shrink in a Big Rip?
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# How can the observable universe shrink in a Big Rip?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-01-30)

As far as I know, the Big Rip occurs when the scale factor reaches infinity in a finite time. This will only happen in a universe dominated by phantom energy (i.e. a universe with an equation of state of $< -1$). However, according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip#Expansion),

> A universe dominated by phantom energy is an accelerating universe, expanding at an ever-increasing rate. However, this implies that the size of the observable universe is continually shrinking; the distance to the edge of the observable universe which is moving away at the speed of light from any point moves ever closer. When the size of the observable universe becomes smaller than any particular structure, no interaction by any of the fundamental forces can occur between the most remote parts of the structure. When these interactions become impossible, the structure is "ripped apart".

On Wikipedia, there is a "[why]" tag, indicating that this wasn't explained very well.

This raises two questions. In a universe dominated by phantom energy, why would the observable universe not continue growing and approaching the cosmic event horizon? After all, its comoving distance is just $\int\_0^t \frac{\mathrm{d}t}{a(t)}$, so shouldn't it just monotonically increase?

More confusingly, Wikipedia implied that the Big Rip occurs when the observable universe's radius becomes incredibly small and the fundamental forces can no longer hold any structure together, rather than when the scale factor reaches infinity. Am I right in assuming these are separate events, or do they occur at the same time?

**Tags:** universe, cosmology, expansion, observable-universe, fate-of-universe

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Sigh...a downvote without an explanation? What part of this question was unclear?  
> **username_1**: It may be someone saw "big rip" and assumed it was a bad question.   I think your asked a solid question and I agree with your conclusion that those are 2 separate events and the Wiki article is probably flawed.    Your question got me thinking about this and reading - so, thumbs up for that, even though I generally consider the big rip to be more of a science channel boogeyman than real science, but there's some real math behind it and that's what you focused on in your question.   Maybe try the physics board, some answers already there:   http://physics.stackexchange.com/search?q=big+rip  
> **username_0**: @username_1 Thanks! Not sure what you mean by "science channel boogeyman", though, since it's actually a really interesting (and complicated) cosmological model and still a possibility for our own universe.  
> **username_1**: It's something that some science channel shows like to talk about with ominous music in the background because it's "scary" and a good ending to a 60 minute show.   Gamma ray bursts vaporizing our planet is another one they like.   Not the channel itself, just some of the "universe" shows on the channel.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2017-01-31. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

I've found the answer to this is actually very interesting and (to me, at least) surprising — it is not just the light cone that shrinks, but the cosmic event horizon as well! To explain this, let us first look at a de Sitter universe. The scale factor $a$ of a de Sitter universe can be expressed as a function of time with:

$$a(t) = e^{kt}$$

where $k$ is some constant, depending on the specifics of our universe (in a de Sitter universe, $k = H$, the Hubble parameter). A universe dominated by phantom energy is actually pretty similar to a de Sitter universe, but the expansion rate gets exponentially faster. Thus, in a Big Rip universe $k$ is time dependent ($\dot{k} > 0$), so the scale factor can be written as:

$$a(t) = e^{k(t)t}$$

Why is this relevant? Well, the comoving distance to the event horizon is actually inversely proportional to $a$ and $k$:

$$d\_{eh}(t)\propto\frac{1}{a(t)k(t)}$$

In a de Sitter universe (and our own universe, assuming $w = -1$), $k$ is equal to the Hubble constant, so the event horizon’s distance will remain constant (in a de Sitter universe, the $\dot{H} = 0$ because the deceleration parameter $q=-1$). In a Rip universe, $k$ is time dependent; as $k$ increases, the distance to the horizon decreases.

From this formula, we can see that the event horizon’s distance is inversely proportional to the scale factor; thus, if $a(t)$ reaches infinity, the event horizon’s distance will reach zero. This means that the Big Rip can be defined as either the scale factor reaching infinity, or the observable universe’s diameter reaching zero — these two events happen at the same time.

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: In this case it seems that the edge of the "observable universe" is defined as the event horizon, however I've read that the edge of the observable universe is actually the particle horizon. Do you mind clarifying that?  
> **username_3**: @username_2 - for the difference between those horizons see the corresponding [spacetime diagrams](https://relativity.username_3.net/o/bigrip.html).  

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