<p>It is quite clear from the film (and the awful soundtrack) that a <em>total</em> eclipse was observed. The Sun's corona and prominences <em>cannot</em> be seen during an annular eclipse. Nor is there a sudden fading or drastic brightening at the beginning and end of an annular eclipse.</p>

<p>The accompanying article talks about "totality" and removing safety glasses to look at the Sun during totality, and that the period of totality was 1 min 53 seconds; the (frankly, annoying) narrator shouts the word "totality" about 23 times.</p>

<p>The eclipse was observed towards the end period of totality (what I mean by that is the shadow is tracking west to east across the Earth's surface. That means the Sun was above the western horizon as seen by the plane, and at 5:35pm, would be 10 degrees above the horizon. That means that in order to observe this event the plane must have been closer to the moon than a point on the surface of the Earth where totality would have been observed at the same time. That means the period of totality would have been slightly longer and the moon would have had a slightly larger angular size as seen from the plane. </p>

<p>If I had the exact latitude and longitude I could tell you just how much longer the eclipse was. Messing about with Stellarium, I can get a reasonable match of the eclipse time at W157 58 35, N31 22 00. At 10,000m the eclipse is total and lasts about 70s. At sealevel at the same latitude it lasts maybe a few seconds longer (it's difficult to be sure). But the sea level region of totality observed at the same time would have been somewhat further east (but still along the path where totality was observed), where the period of totality would have been shorter. </p>

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I'll give you credit for being quantitative :) is this the beginning of another [Astronomer joke](http://meta.astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/323/astronomy-jokes/330#330)?
uhoh
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@uhoh I only said about about - it may have been more - I muted it.
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ProfRob
<p>In this <a href="http://earthsky.org/space/incredible-solar-eclipse-footage-from-flight" rel="nofollow noreferrer">article</a> about the <a href="http://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airlines/news/eclipse-flight/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AS870 flight</a> that flew through the umbra of the March 8-9 2016 solar eclipse, there is a link to a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMvTZaqMDx8" rel="nofollow noreferrer">YouTube video</a> showing the eclipse recored by a handheld camera in the cabin. </p>

<p>Of course this is personal video and not recorded for analysis, but the images - especially during the zoomed part - remind me of an annular eclipse, rather than a total eclipse. Below are some screenshots - the weak Fresnel reflections in the cabin window act a bit like attenuators (ND filters) and give less saturated, though distorted views. Basically they all look like donuts.</p>

<p>My first thinking was that if it was a total eclipse on the ground, it couldn't be annular at 35,000 feet closer to the moon. But thinking and looking again, the sun is near the horizon, and the plane at about 150 West longitude is not necessarily closer to the sun than observers on the ground were in Indonesia circa 120 East.</p>

<p>My question is - is that just corona, or is the plane farther away enough from the moon at this time and location to make the eclipse annular? </p>

<p>It may be helpful to read about <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/849/7982">hybrid eclipses</a>.</p>

<p><strong>note:</strong> I'm looking for a quantitative answer, not an opinion.</p>

<p><em>There is another version of the video on YouTube with more views, but the narrative doesn't hold a candle to double rainbow guy <a href="https://youtu.be/OQSNhk5ICTI?t=24" rel="nofollow noreferrer">original</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">musical version</a>.</em></p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/etrea.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/etrea.png" alt="Alaska Airlines 870 Eclipse 1"></a>
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/CwIdT.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/CwIdT.png" alt="Alaska Airlines 870 Eclipse 2"></a></p>

<p>Here is a screenshot of a typical AS870 flight from flightradar24.com, pretty much between 152 and 158 degrees west.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/3gcbt.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/3gcbt.png" alt="screen shot from flightradar24.com"></a></p>

<p>This is from the second link in the top line - the Alaska Airlines <a href="http://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airlines/news/eclipse-flight/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">blog entry</a> for the flight.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/iWIc7.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/iWIc7.jpg" alt="Alaska Airlines Blog image of AS870 eclipse path"></a></p>

<p>How an eclipse could possibly appear annular from a plane over one place on the planet while appearing total on the ground at another place on the planet 5,000 kilometers away (note, these occur at different times - the shadow is moving relative to earth and the earth is rotating):</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/P6ERZ.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/P6ERZ.png" alt="eclipse geometry"></a></p>

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The pixels around the moon are still bright enough to be saturated. There's a lot of (Mie)-scattered light in the Earth's atmosphere (caused by aerosols) close to the Sun. I doubt that the white-light scattering of the corona is bright enough to be seen. You're only going to get an opinion unless you know a lot more about the camera, how the film was taken, what the illumination levels were etc. etc.
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2016-03-18T13:55:33.453Z
@RobJeffries read it again - my question is about the geometry of the sun, earth, and moon and plane. "*...is that just corona, or is the plane farther away enough from the moon at this time and location to make the eclipse annular?*" If the plane were close enough for totality, it would be the corona, if the eclipse were annular, it would not be (just) the corona.
uhoh
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2016-03-18T14:45:20.860Z
For a **quantitative** answer as stated, we really need quantitative data about the camera exposure, possible atmospheric conditions, exact aircraft location, etc. About all I can see from the picture is that the plane is probably well within the region of totality (as seen from the dark "wedge" over much of the sky) so we're not seeing an annular eclipse.
Andy
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2016-03-18T16:21:46.413Z
No the geometry is not significantly changed by flying 10km above the Earth's surface compared with the 400,000 km that the Moon is from Earth. And even if it were (I don't see how the plane can be further away from the moon than a point of totality at the surface of the Earth) it would likely be changed in the opposite direction to make the eclipse "more total".
ProfRob
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2016-03-18T16:41:35.693Z
OK @RobJeffries I have drawn you a sketch of how it can. The earth is round, and since the angle is oblique, being in a plane does not necessarily put you closer to the moon. You can also read about hybrid eclipses [here](http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/848/7982) and [here](http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/849/7982.)
uhoh
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2016-03-18T16:45:35.867Z
I understand what a hybrid eclipse is. This wasn't one. The blue track shows the path of totality.
ProfRob
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Why does the eclipse in this video look annular?
uhoh
# Why does the eclipse in this video look annular?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-03-18)

In this [article](http://earthsky.org/space/incredible-solar-eclipse-footage-from-flight) about the [AS870 flight](http://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airlines/news/eclipse-flight/) that flew through the umbra of the March 8-9 2016 solar eclipse, there is a link to a [YouTube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMvTZaqMDx8) showing the eclipse recored by a handheld camera in the cabin.

Of course this is personal video and not recorded for analysis, but the images - especially during the zoomed part - remind me of an annular eclipse, rather than a total eclipse. Below are some screenshots - the weak Fresnel reflections in the cabin window act a bit like attenuators (ND filters) and give less saturated, though distorted views. Basically they all look like donuts.

My first thinking was that if it was a total eclipse on the ground, it couldn't be annular at 35,000 feet closer to the moon. But thinking and looking again, the sun is near the horizon, and the plane at about 150 West longitude is not necessarily closer to the sun than observers on the ground were in Indonesia circa 120 East.

My question is - is that just corona, or is the plane farther away enough from the moon at this time and location to make the eclipse annular?

It may be helpful to read about [hybrid eclipses](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/849/7982).

**note:** I'm looking for a quantitative answer, not an opinion.

*There is another version of the video on YouTube with more views, but the narrative doesn't hold a candle to double rainbow guy [original](https://youtu.be/OQSNhk5ICTI?t=24) and [musical version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA).*

[![Alaska Airlines 870 Eclipse 1](https://i.sstatic.net/etrea.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/etrea.png)
[![Alaska Airlines 870 Eclipse 2](https://i.sstatic.net/CwIdT.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/CwIdT.png)

Here is a screenshot of a typical AS870 flight from flightradar24.com, pretty much between 152 and 158 degrees west.

[![screen shot from flightradar24.com](https://i.sstatic.net/3gcbt.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/3gcbt.png)

This is from the second link in the top line - the Alaska Airlines [blog entry](http://blog.alaskaair.com/alaska-airlines/news/eclipse-flight/) for the flight.

[![Alaska Airlines Blog image of AS870 eclipse path](https://i.sstatic.net/iWIc7.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/iWIc7.jpg)

How an eclipse could possibly appear annular from a plane over one place on the planet while appearing total on the ground at another place on the planet 5,000 kilometers away (note, these occur at different times - the shadow is moving relative to earth and the earth is rotating):

[![eclipse geometry](https://i.sstatic.net/P6ERZ.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/P6ERZ.png)

**Tags:** solar-eclipse

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The pixels around the moon are still bright enough to be saturated. There's a lot of (Mie)-scattered light in the Earth's atmosphere (caused by aerosols) close to the Sun. I doubt that the white-light scattering of the corona is bright enough to be seen. You're only going to get an opinion unless you know a lot more about the camera, how the film was taken, what the illumination levels were etc. etc.  
> **username_0**: @RobJeffries read it again - my question is about the geometry of the sun, earth, and moon and plane. "*...is that just corona, or is the plane farther away enough from the moon at this time and location to make the eclipse annular?*" If the plane were close enough for totality, it would be the corona, if the eclipse were annular, it would not be (just) the corona.  
> **username_2**: For a **quantitative** answer as stated, we really need quantitative data about the camera exposure, possible atmospheric conditions, exact aircraft location, etc. About all I can see from the picture is that the plane is probably well within the region of totality (as seen from the dark "wedge" over much of the sky) so we're not seeing an annular eclipse.  
> **username_1**: No the geometry is not significantly changed by flying 10km above the Earth's surface compared with the 400,000 km that the Moon is from Earth. And even if it were (I don't see how the plane can be further away from the moon than a point of totality at the surface of the Earth) it would likely be changed in the opposite direction to make the eclipse "more total".  
> **username_0**: OK @RobJeffries I have drawn you a sketch of how it can. The earth is round, and since the angle is oblique, being in a plane does not necessarily put you closer to the moon. You can also read about hybrid eclipses [here](http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/848/7982) and [here](http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/849/7982.)  
> **username_1**: I understand what a hybrid eclipse is. This wasn't one. The blue track shows the path of totality.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2016-03-18. Score: 3

It is quite clear from the film (and the awful soundtrack) that a *total* eclipse was observed. The Sun's corona and prominences *cannot* be seen during an annular eclipse. Nor is there a sudden fading or drastic brightening at the beginning and end of an annular eclipse.

The accompanying article talks about "totality" and removing safety glasses to look at the Sun during totality, and that the period of totality was 1 min 53 seconds; the (frankly, annoying) narrator shouts the word "totality" about 23 times.

The eclipse was observed towards the end period of totality (what I mean by that is the shadow is tracking west to east across the Earth's surface. That means the Sun was above the western horizon as seen by the plane, and at 5:35pm, would be 10 degrees above the horizon. That means that in order to observe this event the plane must have been closer to the moon than a point on the surface of the Earth where totality would have been observed at the same time. That means the period of totality would have been slightly longer and the moon would have had a slightly larger angular size as seen from the plane.

If I had the exact latitude and longitude I could tell you just how much longer the eclipse was. Messing about with Stellarium, I can get a reasonable match of the eclipse time at W157 58 35, N31 22 00. At 10,000m the eclipse is total and lasts about 70s. At sealevel at the same latitude it lasts maybe a few seconds longer (it's difficult to be sure). But the sea level region of totality observed at the same time would have been somewhat further east (but still along the path where totality was observed), where the period of totality would have been shorter.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I'll give you credit for being quantitative :) is this the beginning of another [Astronomer joke](http://meta.astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/323/astronomy-jokes/330#330)?  
> **username_1**: @username_0 I only said about about - it may have been more - I muted it.  

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