<p>The redshift that is referred to is not a Doppler redshift, but a cosmological redshift. The difference is that the former is caused by the source moving through space, while the latter is caused by the "stretching" of the wavelength of the light as it travels through space.</p>

<p>The cosmological redshift happens gradually along its journey, and hence it is a measure of the distance to the source. But since traveling through space takes time, it is also a measure of the <em>lookback time</em> to the source — that is, the time that has passed since its emission. This notion of the term can thus be used as a timeline for phenomena in the Universe, and perhaps somewhat confusingly, it is sometimes used this way even when referring to local phenomena.</p>

<p>For instance, Earth was formed 4.54 billion years ("Gyr") ago. If some unrelated galaxy emitted light at the same time, and if that light reaches us today, then that galaxy must be at a particular distance$^\dagger$. During its journey it has been redshifted to $z \simeq 0.42$. Thus we may say that Earth was formed at redshift $0.42$.</p>

<p>Similarly, stars (in the Milky Way or elsewhere) that are said to have formed at redshift $z=10$ and $z=15$, can also be said to have formed 13.3 Gyr and 13.5 Gyr ago, respectively.</p>

<p>In the figure below, I plotted the relation between cosmological redshift and lookback time (assuming a <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.01589" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Planck 2015</a> cosmology). Now hug each other, Rob and NotSoSN.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/DnKjt.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/DnKjt.png" alt="t_z"></a></p>

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<p>$^\dagger$<sub>5.4 billion lightyears, actually. Not just 4.54 billion lightyears, because space has expanded in the meantime.</sub></p>

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Not to forget that redshift (and blueshift) can also be used to calculate the spin of a star.
Tanenthor
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@Tanenthor: That effect is just a regular Doppler shift.
pela
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pela
<p>In multiple articles I have seen the age of a star, within the milky way, referred to as its redshift (typically denoted by $z$). I know that $z$ can be calculated as $z=\frac{\lambda_{obsv} - \lambda_{emit}}{\lambda_{emit}}$ but what I can't find is how this is then used to calculate the age of a star within our galaxy? What characteristic does the redshift show us (spin, velocity, temperature, etc.) and how is this used mathematically to calculate age? Or is it just a method to determine where it falls on the HR diagram?</p>

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2016-05-09T05:46:02.580Z
Can you give some references?
pela
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I'm afraid this is all nonsense. Redshift is not used to find the age of a star and I doubt that you read that (in any reputable source).
ProfRob
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2016-05-09T06:40:38.620Z
It is possible that the z you refer to is metallicity. This is correlated loosely with stellar age.
ProfRob
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@RobJeffries, redshift allows us to adjust the absorption/emission spectrum to the "correct" place, which allows us to find composition, which we can compare to the mass, size, and luminosity of the star in order to estimate age, right?
Pulchritude
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http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1958Obs....78..137S
Pulchritude
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@Pulchritude, correcting for Doppler shift (which for stars in the Milky Way can mean a redshift *or* a blueshift) is a very minor issue; in any case, the question is clearly referring to cosmological redshift. I suspect Rob Jeffries is right, and the question has confused metallicity ("Z") with redshift ("z").
Peter Erwin
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@RobJeffries http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26560034 "The typical redshift of formation for stars in the bulge with $[Fe/H]<-1$ is $z \approx 10$...half of them have binding energies $E<-1 \times 10^{-4} km^{2}s^{-2}$, which is consistent with a formation redshift of $z>-15$..." While there is reference to metallicity, the author(s) here are clearly using redshift in a manner to reference age. I know how metallicity can be used to estimate age, but here they repeatedly reference a redshift value that correlates to age.
NotSoSN
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@RobJeffries Please don't confuse your lack of understanding of my question for a lack knowledge or integrity on my part. If you want references, ask, but it is completely unnecessary, rude, and insulting to make such remarks. If you can't answer, don't respond, if you need more info, ask, but don't ever speak to someone you don't know in a professional setting in a disrespectful manner, it only serves to show your own ignorance.
NotSoSN
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2016-05-09T12:57:14.347Z
@NotSoSN My comment was accurate. Your sources did not say what you claim in your question. I was going to answer your question, since you provided some context and revealed what the question is actually about. Now I won't bother. Cheerio.
ProfRob
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And BTW, calling someone ignorant is what is insulting. Saying that what they have written is nonsense isn't. Grow up. PS. This very much *isn't* a professional setting.
ProfRob
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@RobJeffries If you can't answer my question without being condescending I'm more than happy to find answers elsewhere. If my question was poorly phrased based on a misunderstanding of the reference it would be a simple task to point that out. A little respect and courtesy goes a long way.
NotSoSN
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2016-05-09T19:38:04.207Z
Ditto, in spades.
ProfRob
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Redshift to calculate age of stars
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# Redshift to calculate age of stars

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-05-08)

In multiple articles I have seen the age of a star, within the milky way, referred to as its redshift (typically denoted by $z$). I know that $z$ can be calculated as $z=\frac{\lambda\_{obsv} - \lambda\_{emit}}{\lambda\_{emit}}$ but what I can't find is how this is then used to calculate the age of a star within our galaxy? What characteristic does the redshift show us (spin, velocity, temperature, etc.) and how is this used mathematically to calculate age? Or is it just a method to determine where it falls on the HR diagram?

**Tags:** stellar-evolution, redshift, age, hr-diagram

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Can you give some references?  
> **username_2**: I'm afraid this is all nonsense. Redshift is not used to find the age of a star and I doubt that you read that (in any reputable source).  
> **username_2**: It is possible that the z you refer to is metallicity. This is correlated loosely with stellar age.  
> **username_3**: @RobJeffries, redshift allows us to adjust the absorption/emission spectrum to the "correct" place, which allows us to find composition, which we can compare to the mass, size, and luminosity of the star in order to estimate age, right?  
> **username_3**: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1958Obs....78..137S  
> **username_4**: @username_3, correcting for Doppler shift (which for stars in the Milky Way can mean a redshift *or* a blueshift) is a very minor issue; in any case, the question is clearly referring to cosmological redshift. I suspect Rob Jeffries is right, and the question has confused metallicity ("Z") with redshift ("z").  
> **username_0**: @RobJeffries http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26560034 "The typical redshift of formation for stars in the bulge with $[Fe/H]<-1$ is $z \approx 10$...half of them have binding energies $E<-1 \times 10^{-4} km^{2}s^{-2}$, which is consistent with a formation redshift of $z>-15$..." While there is reference to metallicity, the author(s) here are clearly using redshift in a manner to reference age. I know how metallicity can be used to estimate age, but here they repeatedly reference a redshift value that correlates to age.  
> **username_0**: @RobJeffries Please don't confuse your lack of understanding of my question for a lack knowledge or integrity on my part. If you want references, ask, but it is completely unnecessary, rude, and insulting to make such remarks. If you can't answer, don't respond, if you need more info, ask, but don't ever speak to someone you don't know in a professional setting in a disrespectful manner, it only serves to show your own ignorance.  
> **username_2**: @username_0 My comment was accurate. Your sources did not say what you claim in your question. I was going to answer your question, since you provided some context and revealed what the question is actually about. Now I won't bother. Cheerio.  
> **username_2**: And BTW, calling someone ignorant is what is insulting. Saying that what they have written is nonsense isn't. Grow up. PS. This very much *isn't* a professional setting.  
> **username_0**: @RobJeffries If you can't answer my question without being condescending I'm more than happy to find answers elsewhere. If my question was poorly phrased based on a misunderstanding of the reference it would be a simple task to point that out. A little respect and courtesy goes a long way.  
> **username_2**: Ditto, in spades.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2016-05-09. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

The redshift that is referred to is not a Doppler redshift, but a cosmological redshift. The difference is that the former is caused by the source moving through space, while the latter is caused by the "stretching" of the wavelength of the light as it travels through space.

The cosmological redshift happens gradually along its journey, and hence it is a measure of the distance to the source. But since traveling through space takes time, it is also a measure of the *lookback time* to the source — that is, the time that has passed since its emission. This notion of the term can thus be used as a timeline for phenomena in the Universe, and perhaps somewhat confusingly, it is sometimes used this way even when referring to local phenomena.

For instance, Earth was formed 4.54 billion years ("Gyr") ago. If some unrelated galaxy emitted light at the same time, and if that light reaches us today, then that galaxy must be at a particular distance$^\dagger$. During its journey it has been redshifted to $z \simeq 0.42$. Thus we may say that Earth was formed at redshift $0.42$.

Similarly, stars (in the Milky Way or elsewhere) that are said to have formed at redshift $z=10$ and $z=15$, can also be said to have formed 13.3 Gyr and 13.5 Gyr ago, respectively.

In the figure below, I plotted the relation between cosmological redshift and lookback time (assuming a [Planck 2015](http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.01589) cosmology). Now hug each other, Rob and username_0.

[![t_z](https://i.sstatic.net/DnKjt.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/DnKjt.png)

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$^\dagger$5.4 billion lightyears, actually. Not just 4.54 billion lightyears, because space has expanded in the meantime.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: Not to forget that redshift (and blueshift) can also be used to calculate the spin of a star.  
> **username_1**: @username_5: That effect is just a regular Doppler shift.  

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