<p>It's a little hard to know how to answer your question, partly because you're using "nucleus" in a confusing fashion. So let me try answering what <em>might</em> be your general question, which is "how do stars move in the region spanned by the bar?"</p>

<p>("Nucleus" is generally used to refer to the inner few hundred parsecs -- or even, these days, just the inner ten parsecs or so. Since bars extend to anywhere from several hundred parsecs to as much as ten thousand parsecs in radius, they are usually well outside the "nucleus". [I am deliberately ignoring so-called "nuclear bars" -- which are generally only a few hundred parsecs in size -- in order to keep things simple ;-)])</p>

<p>Stars in a disk galaxy generally all orbit in the same direction and in the same plane. Some of the orbits are close to circular, while others are more elongated. These elongated orbits <em>precess</em> -- that is, the axis of the apparent ellipse rotates with time, so the star traces out a rosette. In a barred galaxy, there are a lot of stars which are on elongated orbits which are <em>aligned</em>, and which precess at the same rate. Thus, they maintain a common oval region that is dense with stars (the "bar") which rotates as a whole at a more-or-less constant speed (even as the stars making up the bar are doing their own individual orbits at different speeds). The combined gravity of all these stars in an oval configuration is what keeps the whole thing synchronized and consistent, although there are some stars on more chaotic orbits.</p>

<p>There <em>is</em> a kind of magic radius called "corotation". This is where an imaginary star in a circular orbit would go once round the center of the galaxy in the same time that the bar as a whole make one complete turn. Stars <em>inside</em> corotation go once around <em>faster</em> than the bar turns, while stars outside this radius would go once round slower than the bar. Stars orbiting inside the corotation radius can form part of the bar (and generally <em>have</em> to be part of the bar if they're not on some very chaotic orbit). Stars outside corotation <em>cannot</em> be part of the bar; their orbits will actually tend to be elongated perpendicular to the bar, though as you get further away from the bar, its gravitational influence becomes less and less important, so that stars further out can have orbits that are pretty much circular.</p>

<p>There is good evidence -- both theoretical and observational -- that bars cannot extend further out than the corotation radius, and that bars in fact tend to extend about 3/4 or 4/5 of the way to corotation (with the stars further out but still inside corotation probably having very chaotic orbits).</p>

CC BY-SA 3.0
2017-06-21T09:25:07.923Z
2017-06-21T09:25:07.923Z
Peter Erwin
<p>Think of what happens since the beginning. At first, at very large scale, you have a region of space a little more dense than what is around it, and it starts attracting more and more gas, forming a cloud. Gas falls in, in a spiral movement, giving an overall spin to the thing.</p>

<p>In the meantime, stars form, most of them have a movement that follows the one of the initial gas cloud. However, gravity does its work and bring more and more stars to the core. They gather little by little in the "galactic plane" - I just learned this is due to <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/1145/2153">angular momentum conservation</a> - could be similar thing that makes planets a little flatter at the poles.</p>

<p>I don't understand exactly how the arms and the bar form, but the thing is you have this globally revolving stars population, and more and more of them coming towards the galactic center under the effect of gravity ; <a href="https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/25706/density-of-stars-near-the-center-of-the-milky-way">here</a> is explained for our own galaxy, within 100 parsec from the Galactic center there is a stellar density about a 100 times higher as the one experienced in the vicinity of our sun)</p>

<p>The <strong>stars revolving far from the center will keep the overall rotating around the center</strong> movement because they stay roughly unperturbed by each other - everything can change there if a merger with a bigger or similar-sized galaxy, and it can become an elliptical and erratically moving structure in this case.</p>

<p>On the other hand, a densely packed <strong>core</strong> means there are more and more chances for the stars to do close fly-by and change there course erratically. This also happens in star clusters. This explain why in the center, <strong>there is no clear overall movement as the one you observe on the galactic arms</strong>.</p>

CC BY-SA 3.0
2017-06-08T13:30:31.557Z
I'd say that, arguably, only your last paragraph is pertinent to the question.
zephyr
CC BY-SA 3.0
2017-06-07T14:35:00.617Z
2017-06-08T06:15:33.920Z
2017-06-08T06:15:33.920Z
J. Chomel
<p>I'm looking for visualizations that show the movement of stars in barred galaxies but not having much luck. I've found many that simulate spiral galaxy arms in general, but none that include a bar or a nucleus.</p>

<p>I'm trying to word my question in a way that is not dependent on my own assumptions, but some of my assumptions are:</p>

<ol>
<li>the area that includes the bar is the nucleus.</li>
<li>the nucleus and the bulge are not necessarily the same thing. (Bars within the nucleus is a result of gravity waves. Bulge is an artifact of how the galaxy was formed.)</li>
<li>the edge boundary of the nucleus is a gravitational "tipping point".</li>
<li>stars are not crossing this boundary (ie: they either belong to the nucleus or to the arms, not both).</li>
</ol>

<p><strong>What is the movement of stars within the nucleus of a barred spiral galaxy</strong>, and how do their galactic orbits differ from stars outside the nucleus?</p>

CC BY-SA 3.0
2017-06-06T20:35:56.813Z
The stars in a nucleus of spiral galaxies are said to be "pressure supported" because they move about randomly (that is their orientation, inclinations, ellipticities, etc. are all random). This type of motion is similar to what you see in elliptical galaxies which are also pressure supported. Try looking for visuals of elliptical galaxies for an idea. [Reference for further reading](http://gtn.sonoma.edu/resources/normal_galaxies/spiral.php).
zephyr
CC BY-SA 3.0
2017-06-06T21:53:47.443Z
@zephyr : Perhaps you'd convert your comment to an answer.
StephenG - Help Ukraine
CC BY-SA 3.0
2017-06-06T21:59:43.750Z
@StephenG I might at some point, but for now I don't have the time. Feel free to turn my comment into an answer yourself.
zephyr
CC BY-SA 3.0
2017-06-07T04:26:06.590Z
@zephyr : I do not think I have the knowledge required to expand your comment, but thanks for the suggestion.
StephenG - Help Ukraine
<galaxy-center>
What is the movement of stars within the nucleus of a barred spiral galaxy
wetcircuit
# What is the movement of stars within the nucleus of a barred spiral galaxy

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-06-06)

I'm looking for visualizations that show the movement of stars in barred galaxies but not having much luck. I've found many that simulate spiral galaxy arms in general, but none that include a bar or a nucleus.

I'm trying to word my question in a way that is not dependent on my own assumptions, but some of my assumptions are:

1. the area that includes the bar is the nucleus.
2. the nucleus and the bulge are not necessarily the same thing. (Bars within the nucleus is a result of gravity waves. Bulge is an artifact of how the galaxy was formed.)
3. the edge boundary of the nucleus is a gravitational "tipping point".
4. stars are not crossing this boundary (ie: they either belong to the nucleus or to the arms, not both).

**What is the movement of stars within the nucleus of a barred spiral galaxy**, and how do their galactic orbits differ from stars outside the nucleus?

**Tags:** galaxy-center

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The stars in a nucleus of spiral galaxies are said to be "pressure supported" because they move about randomly (that is their orientation, inclinations, ellipticities, etc. are all random). This type of motion is similar to what you see in elliptical galaxies which are also pressure supported. Try looking for visuals of elliptical galaxies for an idea. [Reference for further reading](http://gtn.sonoma.edu/resources/normal_galaxies/spiral.php).  
> **username_2**: @username_1 : Perhaps you'd convert your comment to an answer.  
> **username_1**: @username_2 I might at some point, but for now I don't have the time. Feel free to turn my comment into an answer yourself.  
> **username_2**: @username_1 : I do not think I have the knowledge required to expand your comment, but thanks for the suggestion.  

---

## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2017-06-21. Score: 2

It's a little hard to know how to answer your question, partly because you're using "nucleus" in a confusing fashion. So let me try answering what *might* be your general question, which is "how do stars move in the region spanned by the bar?"

("Nucleus" is generally used to refer to the inner few hundred parsecs -- or even, these days, just the inner ten parsecs or so. Since bars extend to anywhere from several hundred parsecs to as much as ten thousand parsecs in radius, they are usually well outside the "nucleus". [I am deliberately ignoring so-called "nuclear bars" -- which are generally only a few hundred parsecs in size -- in order to keep things simple ;-)])

Stars in a disk galaxy generally all orbit in the same direction and in the same plane. Some of the orbits are close to circular, while others are more elongated. These elongated orbits *precess* -- that is, the axis of the apparent ellipse rotates with time, so the star traces out a rosette. In a barred galaxy, there are a lot of stars which are on elongated orbits which are *aligned*, and which precess at the same rate. Thus, they maintain a common oval region that is dense with stars (the "bar") which rotates as a whole at a more-or-less constant speed (even as the stars making up the bar are doing their own individual orbits at different speeds). The combined gravity of all these stars in an oval configuration is what keeps the whole thing synchronized and consistent, although there are some stars on more chaotic orbits.

There *is* a kind of magic radius called "corotation". This is where an imaginary star in a circular orbit would go once round the center of the galaxy in the same time that the bar as a whole make one complete turn. Stars *inside* corotation go once around *faster* than the bar turns, while stars outside this radius would go once round slower than the bar. Stars orbiting inside the corotation radius can form part of the bar (and generally *have* to be part of the bar if they're not on some very chaotic orbit). Stars outside corotation *cannot* be part of the bar; their orbits will actually tend to be elongated perpendicular to the bar, though as you get further away from the bar, its gravitational influence becomes less and less important, so that stars further out can have orbits that are pretty much circular.

There is good evidence -- both theoretical and observational -- that bars cannot extend further out than the corotation radius, and that bars in fact tend to extend about 3/4 or 4/5 of the way to corotation (with the stars further out but still inside corotation probably having very chaotic orbits).


---

### Answer by username_4 on 2017-06-07. Score: 0

Think of what happens since the beginning. At first, at very large scale, you have a region of space a little more dense than what is around it, and it starts attracting more and more gas, forming a cloud. Gas falls in, in a spiral movement, giving an overall spin to the thing.

In the meantime, stars form, most of them have a movement that follows the one of the initial gas cloud. However, gravity does its work and bring more and more stars to the core. They gather little by little in the "galactic plane" - I just learned this is due to [angular momentum conservation](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/1145/2153) - could be similar thing that makes planets a little flatter at the poles.

I don't understand exactly how the arms and the bar form, but the thing is you have this globally revolving stars population, and more and more of them coming towards the galactic center under the effect of gravity ; [here](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/25706/density-of-stars-near-the-center-of-the-milky-way) is explained for our own galaxy, within 100 parsec from the Galactic center there is a stellar density about a 100 times higher as the one experienced in the vicinity of our sun)

The **stars revolving far from the center will keep the overall rotating around the center** movement because they stay roughly unperturbed by each other - everything can change there if a merger with a bigger or similar-sized galaxy, and it can become an elliptical and erratically moving structure in this case.

On the other hand, a densely packed **core** means there are more and more chances for the stars to do close fly-by and change there course erratically. This also happens in star clusters. This explain why in the center, **there is no clear overall movement as the one you observe on the galactic arms**.

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I'd say that, arguably, only your last paragraph is pertinent to the question.  

---

