<p>It is indeed true that we are contemplating the use of a star: namely, our Sun, as a telescope. The concept is called the Solar Gravitational Lens (SGL). See here for our very latest manuscript, which also contains references to our earlier work: <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.08442" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.08442</a></p>
<p>The tremendous light amplification and angular resolution of such a gravitational lens telescope arises from the fact that its light collecting area is effectively the Einstein ring that is seen around the lensing object. The diameter of the Einstein ring determines its angular resolution; its diameter and thickness together determine the light amplification. When using the Sun as a hypothetical telescope, in conjunction with a modest (~1 m aperture) observing telescope, light amplification is of <span class="math-container">${\cal O}(10^9)$</span> and angular resolution is below a nanoarcsecond, though deviations from spherical symmetry in the solar gravitational field tame these numbers somewhat.</p>
<p>These numbers are determined solely by the size of the Einstein ring, i.e., the radius of the Sun (since the Einstein ring has to appear around the Sun; the Sun itself is opaque.) What the mass of the Sun determines is how far away from the Sun images can form. Obviously, the more massive an object is, the more it deflects light, so the sooner light rays can meet. For the Sun, the earliest point where initially parallel light rays passing on opposite sides of the Sun intersect is about 550 astronomical units from the Sun. For a more massive object, this could happen sooner. Or conversely, at a given distance, the Einstein ring seen around a more massive object will have larger radius, corresponding to more light collected and higher angular resolution.</p>
<p>However, the fact that to reach, e.g., Sgr A* at the center of the Milky Way requires travel over several kiloparsecs kind of negates any practical advantage that an SMBH might offer as a practical gravitational lens telescope. Any civilization possessing the technology to travel across the Milky Way (assuming such technology even exists within the realm of physics) probably has other, more practical means at their disposal to make astronomical observations of the deep sky.</p>

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Assuming a civilization got to Sgr A* tho, how much would they see with the help of Sgr A* gravitationally lensing? Could the light rays converge before the event horizon as well?
Hash
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I am not sure what you mean by "before the event horizon". They could use Sgr A* as a gravitational lens. The size of the Einstein ring due to a distant source would be much larger than around the Sun when viewed from the same distance, and correspondingly, the angular resolution and light amplification will also be proportionately bigger (proportional to mass). Getting too close to Sgr A*, the first order approximation of the lens would no longer be accurate, so they'd need to have a better mathematical representation for successful image reconstruction.
Viktor Toth
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what  I mean is that,can the point where the light rays meet to give a perfectly focused image be at such a small distance from Sgr A* , that it would be somewhere inside the Event Horizon? Since you said for more massive objects the earliest point of convergence happens sooner
Hash
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That's not the way it works. There is a radius (3/2 times the Schwarzschild radius) that is called the photon sphere: photons at this radius can make full orbits around the black hole. Light rays passing this close or closer can produce chaotic complexity, multiple images, caustics, etc.
Viktor Toth
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2021-04-22T19:36:15.167Z
I see now. Thank you very much for clarifying all my doubts!
Hash
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Viktor Toth
<p>I have heard of various proposals that use the massive gravity of stars to sort of focus light at and observe with a suitable telescope placed at such a distance, and I am assuming here that bigger the star in terms of mass, the more focusing and the better images the telescope sees</p>
<p>Assuming a hypothetical civilization, or perhaps humanity developed such a telescope, could they bring it feasibly close enough to a supermassive black hole at the center of say, our galaxy to observe insanely far away celestial bodies and bodies close by with incredible detail?</p>
<p>Typically, uptil what distance could we comfortably resolve details of say, the color and clouds of exoplanets, and view stars with this? A few hundred thousand light years atleast?</p>

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2021-04-19T18:01:16.657Z
Perhaps this belongs on WorldBuilding SE?
WarpPrime
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2021-04-19T18:42:03.763Z
I don't think this should be sent to Worldbuilding; it's a speculative idea but not related to building a world.
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Hypothetically, could a civilization in a solar system near a supermassive blackhole use the blackhole as a huge gravity lens telescope?
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# Hypothetically, could a civilization in a solar system near a supermassive blackhole use the blackhole as a huge gravity lens telescope?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-04-19)

I have heard of various proposals that use the massive gravity of stars to sort of focus light at and observe with a suitable telescope placed at such a distance, and I am assuming here that bigger the star in terms of mass, the more focusing and the better images the telescope sees

Assuming a hypothetical civilization, or perhaps humanity developed such a telescope, could they bring it feasibly close enough to a supermassive black hole at the center of say, our galaxy to observe insanely far away celestial bodies and bodies close by with incredible detail?

Typically, uptil what distance could we comfortably resolve details of say, the color and clouds of exoplanets, and view stars with this? A few hundred thousand light years atleast?

**Tags:** telescope, supermassive-black-hole

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Perhaps this belongs on WorldBuilding SE?  
> **username_2**: I don't think this should be sent to Worldbuilding; it's a speculative idea but not related to building a world.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2021-04-20. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

It is indeed true that we are contemplating the use of a star: namely, our Sun, as a telescope. The concept is called the Solar Gravitational Lens (SGL). See here for our very latest manuscript, which also contains references to our earlier work: <https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.08442>

The tremendous light amplification and angular resolution of such a gravitational lens telescope arises from the fact that its light collecting area is effectively the Einstein ring that is seen around the lensing object. The diameter of the Einstein ring determines its angular resolution; its diameter and thickness together determine the light amplification. When using the Sun as a hypothetical telescope, in conjunction with a modest (~1 m aperture) observing telescope, light amplification is of ${\cal O}(10^9)$ and angular resolution is below a nanoarcsecond, though deviations from spherical symmetry in the solar gravitational field tame these numbers somewhat.

These numbers are determined solely by the size of the Einstein ring, i.e., the radius of the Sun (since the Einstein ring has to appear around the Sun; the Sun itself is opaque.) What the mass of the Sun determines is how far away from the Sun images can form. Obviously, the more massive an object is, the more it deflects light, so the sooner light rays can meet. For the Sun, the earliest point where initially parallel light rays passing on opposite sides of the Sun intersect is about 550 astronomical units from the Sun. For a more massive object, this could happen sooner. Or conversely, at a given distance, the Einstein ring seen around a more massive object will have larger radius, corresponding to more light collected and higher angular resolution.

However, the fact that to reach, e.g., Sgr A\* at the center of the Milky Way requires travel over several kiloparsecs kind of negates any practical advantage that an SMBH might offer as a practical gravitational lens telescope. Any civilization possessing the technology to travel across the Milky Way (assuming such technology even exists within the realm of physics) probably has other, more practical means at their disposal to make astronomical observations of the deep sky.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Assuming a civilization got to Sgr A* tho, how much would they see with the help of Sgr A* gravitationally lensing? Could the light rays converge before the event horizon as well?  
> **username_3**: I am not sure what you mean by "before the event horizon". They could use Sgr A* as a gravitational lens. The size of the Einstein ring due to a distant source would be much larger than around the Sun when viewed from the same distance, and correspondingly, the angular resolution and light amplification will also be proportionately bigger (proportional to mass). Getting too close to Sgr A*, the first order approximation of the lens would no longer be accurate, so they'd need to have a better mathematical representation for successful image reconstruction.  
> **username_0**: what  I mean is that,can the point where the light rays meet to give a perfectly focused image be at such a small distance from Sgr A* , that it would be somewhere inside the Event Horizon? Since you said for more massive objects the earliest point of convergence happens sooner  
> **username_3**: That's not the way it works. There is a radius (3/2 times the Schwarzschild radius) that is called the photon sphere: photons at this radius can make full orbits around the black hole. Light rays passing this close or closer can produce chaotic complexity, multiple images, caustics, etc.  
> **username_0**: I see now. Thank you very much for clarifying all my doubts!  

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