<p>I am a member of <a href="https://astropeiler.de" rel="noreferrer">Astropeiler Stockert e.V.</a>, and we are fortunate enough to be able to approach this problem coming from the "large side" :-) We have a 25m, 10m and 3m telescopes as well as an interferometer made from two 1m satellite dishes available. All these dishes can be used to do interesting things, but you'll need to match the instrument to your target (and, in a hobbyist setting, often also the target to your instrument).</p>

<p>First of all, you should think about what frequency band you want to work on. 21cm (1420 MHz) is the classical hydrogen line, which lends itself well for mapping neutral hydrogen in the spiral arms of our galaxy. You can expect comparatively strong signals in a quiet frequency band there. Lower frequencies (and large bandwidths) are interesting for pulsars, higher frequencies give access to more interesting phenomena but will require a lot of work on the high frequency side. So my recommendation would be to start out with 21cm.</p>

<p>Secondly, what to look for? In general, the following areas of observation are easily accessible for amateurs:</p>

<ul>
<li>continuum emission of the Milky Way, perhaps up to creating maps</li>
<li>spectral measurements of selected, "bright" (as in "intense radio sources") objects</li>
<li>Pulsars</li>
</ul>

<p>Let's look at them in detail:</p>

<p><em>Continuum measurements</em> are easily done using dishes of any size, but I'd start from 3m upwards to get more interesting results. Calibration of the backend receiver is not trivial, and you should plan a bit of time for it.</p>

<p><em>Spectral measurements</em> also benefit from larger collecting areas, but you'll also need to set up a suitable backend. They are, however, possible from 3m upwards if you are happy with a bit of mapping of intra-galactic velocities.</p>

<p><em>Pulsars</em> require a lot of collecting area and bandwidth, so they are mostly the domain of large instruments. We are currently <a href="https://www.eucara.nl/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/05-Pulsare_V2.pdf" rel="noreferrer">observing</a> several dozens of the brightest pulsars on our 25m dish. The 10m might be sufficient for some of the very brightest. And while there is a <a href="https://www.eucara.nl/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/03-AmateurPulsaDetect.pdf" rel="noreferrer">report of pulsar measurements using a 3m dish and an RTLSDR frontend</a>, this is a feat that requires experience and dedication. So, I'd recommend this only for 8m and above dishes.</p>

<p><em>Interferometry</em> with 2x1m dishes (20 GHz) is rather interesting, but very involved in terms of analysis. Two receiving systems help mitigate local fluctuations, and with that setup, we can observe sources down to 2 Jy (with a looong integration time). This setup will give you access to one or two handful of interesting targets like M1, W51 or Cyg A. </p>

<p>Finally, I'd like to recommend the <a href="https://www.eucara.nl/wp/" rel="noreferrer">EUCARA</a> conference <a href="https://astropeiler.de/european-conference-amateur-radio-astronomy-eucara" rel="noreferrer">series</a> (European Conference on Amateur Radio Astronomy) and the <a href="http://www.radio-astronomy.org/" rel="noreferrer">SARA</a> group as great starting points. They have conference presentations available online that show what other amateurs are doing. </p>

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I wish I could upvote this post multiple times :-)
B--rian
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jstarek
<p>I've recently become interested in the idea of building my own small-scale radio telescope. A quick online search finds a few instructions on how to build this using a satellite dish. These suggest a dish of radius of around 1 metre, but the only objects that you seem to be able to detect are the Sun, the Earth, the Moon (possibly) and communications satellites.</p>

<p>This sounds like it would be become boring fairly quickly, and I would like to observe some deep-sky objects. Some example objects that I fancy observing (depending on how strong their signals are) are Betelgeuse/Sirius, the Crab Nebula and the Andromeda Galaxy.</p>

<p>N.B. I am quite satisfied with pointing the dish at an object and the signal strength increasing. I don't expect to get any kind of image.</p>

<p>Evidently, you cannot pick these up using a metre-wide dish, so what is the minimum size required to pick up these objects (noting that I can't exactly build Arecibo in my back garden)?</p>

<p>In case it matters, I live in a rural area, ~5 miles from the nearest town.</p>

<p><sub>I originally emailed Jodrell Bank this question but they ignored me :P</sub></p>

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2017-07-27T20:03:10.137Z
I don't know the answer, but these folks at the British Astronomical Association should do.  https://britastro.org/section_front/24
Dr Chuck
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2017-07-28T00:31:26.537Z
There's a comment relating to resolving power of a radio telescope in [this answer to a related question](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/11236/10196).
StephenG - Help Ukraine
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2017-07-28T04:15:24.963Z
In my estimation, a homemade telescope would most likely not be able to detect these objects.  They're simply too weak to see without special equipment.

Keep in mind that even if you live in a rural area, there might still be radio frequency interference (RFI).  Your cell phone will easily outshine any celestial object you hope to look at.

In addition, even if you are able to make a homemade telescope capable of observing these objects, you most likely won't get the pretty pictures you see online.  That takes lots of data calibration and special programs to reduce the data.
Phiteros
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see https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/483/jupiter-fm-what-are-practical-and-inexpensive-ways-for-the-amateur-detection-o
James K
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2017-07-28T09:54:25.297Z
@Phiteros I understand that, I was simply hoping that when I pointed the dish at one of these objects, there would be a noticeable change in signal strength
Beta Decay
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2017-07-29T04:10:51.870Z
You could try this: [How To Hear Radio Signals From Jupiter](http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Jupiter/JupiterRadio.html)
Mick
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A bit late for a comment, but I stil want to ask: You know https://hackaday.com/2019/10/22/a-miniature-radio-telescope-in-every-backyard/ ? Such a disk should also be able to detect [Jovian whistlers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_(radio)), i.e. lightning on Jupiter, I guess.
B--rian
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How big a dish do I need for radio astronomy?
Beta Decay
# How big a dish do I need for radio astronomy?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-07-27)

I've recently become interested in the idea of building my own small-scale radio telescope. A quick online search finds a few instructions on how to build this using a satellite dish. These suggest a dish of radius of around 1 metre, but the only objects that you seem to be able to detect are the Sun, the Earth, the Moon (possibly) and communications satellites.

This sounds like it would be become boring fairly quickly, and I would like to observe some deep-sky objects. Some example objects that I fancy observing (depending on how strong their signals are) are Betelgeuse/Sirius, the Crab Nebula and the Andromeda Galaxy.

N.B. I am quite satisfied with pointing the dish at an object and the signal strength increasing. I don't expect to get any kind of image.

Evidently, you cannot pick these up using a metre-wide dish, so what is the minimum size required to pick up these objects (noting that I can't exactly build Arecibo in my back garden)?

In case it matters, I live in a rural area, ~5 miles from the nearest town.

I originally emailed Jodrell Bank this question but they ignored me :P

**Tags:** amateur-observing, radio-astronomy

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I don't know the answer, but these folks at the British Astronomical Association should do.  https://britastro.org/section_front/24  
> **username_2**: There's a comment relating to resolving power of a radio telescope in [this answer to a related question](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/11236/10196).  
> **username_3**: In my estimation, a homemade telescope would most likely not be able to detect these objects.  They're simply too weak to see without special equipment.  Keep in mind that even if you live in a rural area, there might still be radio frequency interference (RFI).  Your cell phone will easily outshine any celestial object you hope to look at.  In addition, even if you are able to make a homemade telescope capable of observing these objects, you most likely won't get the pretty pictures you see online.  That takes lots of data calibration and special programs to reduce the data.  
> **username_4**: see https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/483/jupiter-fm-what-are-practical-and-inexpensive-ways-for-the-amateur-detection-o  
> **username_0**: @username_3 I understand that, I was simply hoping that when I pointed the dish at one of these objects, there would be a noticeable change in signal strength  
> **username_5**: You could try this: [How To Hear Radio Signals From Jupiter](http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Jupiter/JupiterRadio.html)  
> **username_6**: A bit late for a comment, but I stil want to ask: You know https://hackaday.com/2019/10/22/a-miniature-radio-telescope-in-every-backyard/ ? Such a disk should also be able to detect [Jovian whistlers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_(radio)), i.e. lightning on Jupiter, I guess.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_7 on 2017-12-18. Score: 17

I am a member of [Astropeiler Stockert e.V.](https://astropeiler.de), and we are fortunate enough to be able to approach this problem coming from the "large side" :-) We have a 25m, 10m and 3m telescopes as well as an interferometer made from two 1m satellite dishes available. All these dishes can be used to do interesting things, but you'll need to match the instrument to your target (and, in a hobbyist setting, often also the target to your instrument).

First of all, you should think about what frequency band you want to work on. 21cm (1420 MHz) is the classical hydrogen line, which lends itself well for mapping neutral hydrogen in the spiral arms of our galaxy. You can expect comparatively strong signals in a quiet frequency band there. Lower frequencies (and large bandwidths) are interesting for pulsars, higher frequencies give access to more interesting phenomena but will require a lot of work on the high frequency side. So my recommendation would be to start out with 21cm.

Secondly, what to look for? In general, the following areas of observation are easily accessible for amateurs:

* continuum emission of the Milky Way, perhaps up to creating maps
* spectral measurements of selected, "bright" (as in "intense radio sources") objects
* Pulsars

Let's look at them in detail:

*Continuum measurements* are easily done using dishes of any size, but I'd start from 3m upwards to get more interesting results. Calibration of the backend receiver is not trivial, and you should plan a bit of time for it.

*Spectral measurements* also benefit from larger collecting areas, but you'll also need to set up a suitable backend. They are, however, possible from 3m upwards if you are happy with a bit of mapping of intra-galactic velocities.

*Pulsars* require a lot of collecting area and bandwidth, so they are mostly the domain of large instruments. We are currently [observing](https://www.eucara.nl/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/05-Pulsare_V2.pdf) several dozens of the brightest pulsars on our 25m dish. The 10m might be sufficient for some of the very brightest. And while there is a [report of pulsar measurements using a 3m dish and an RTLSDR frontend](https://www.eucara.nl/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/03-AmateurPulsaDetect.pdf), this is a feat that requires experience and dedication. So, I'd recommend this only for 8m and above dishes.

*Interferometry* with 2x1m dishes (20 GHz) is rather interesting, but very involved in terms of analysis. Two receiving systems help mitigate local fluctuations, and with that setup, we can observe sources down to 2 Jy (with a looong integration time). This setup will give you access to one or two handful of interesting targets like M1, W51 or Cyg A.

Finally, I'd like to recommend the [EUCARA](https://www.eucara.nl/wp/) conference [series](https://astropeiler.de/european-conference-amateur-radio-astronomy-eucara) (European Conference on Amateur Radio Astronomy) and the [SARA](http://www.radio-astronomy.org/) group as great starting points. They have conference presentations available online that show what other amateurs are doing.

> **Comments:**
> **username_6**: I wish I could upvote this post multiple times :-)  

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