<p>I think you answered your own question in the comments, but I'll answer here to provide a definitive answer.</p>
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<p>the speaker says the sound horizon is about 500 thousand light-years.</p>
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<p>You're missing out on the crucial part of that phrase which is &quot;<em>At the recombination</em>, it was around five hundred thousand light years&quot;. That was more than 13 billions years ago though, and the universe has continued to expand since then.</p>
<p>After that initial shell got frozen in at the period of recombination at a radius of around 500,000 light years (0.15 Mpc), the universe expanded and that shell is now, in the present day, roughly 1000 times larger at 500 million light years (150 Mpc).</p>
<p>This statement is corroborated by sources such as <a href="http://www.astro.ucla.edu/%7Ewright/BAO-cosmology.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this one</a> from the UCLA which states:</p>
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<p>so at recombination the shell has a radius of about 450,000 light years. This expands after recombination to a current size of 500 million light years.</p>
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<p>However, this seems to be a disconnect with the diagram in the video which shows a wave traveling out and freezing at 150 Mpc. For reference, the video's source is from <a href="https://adh-sj.info/bao_cmb.php#about" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Adam Hincks website</a>. A similar visual can be seen on <a href="https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/%7Edeisenst/acousticpeak/acoustic_physics.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Daniel Eisenstein's website</a> (one of the major players in the field of BAO).</p>
<p>The explanation is that these diagrams are <em>illustrative only</em> and are not making an effort to properly model all the physics involved in generating a BAO and then having that BAO expand due to an expanding universe. Instead, they're merely trying to explain the physics involved. Importantly, they only simulate the creation of the wave and not the subsequent expansion of the wave due to the expansion of the universe. The numbers used and physical setup has been carefully constructed to be as pedagogical as possible.</p>
<p>I do think it is a slight disservice to create a simulation which shows acoustic waves being created with a radius of 150 Mpc simply because that is the size of the wave today. Such an event is not physically possible as the matter would have to be traveling faster than the speed of light in order to reach that size by recombination. Suffice to say, the graphics should not be taken at face value, but merely as instructive tools on the process.</p>

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<p>At <code>06:30</code> in the nice video <em>Sound Waves from the Beginning of Time</em>
about the baryon acoustic oscillations (BAO), the speaker says the sound horizon is about <span class="math-container">$500$</span> thousand light-years. But, according to the figure to his right, the bump (peak) of the baryon overdensity (mass) indicates that before recombination, the position where the sound reaches is <span class="math-container">$150$</span> Mpc, which equals <span class="math-container">$500$</span> million light-years rather than <span class="math-container">$500$</span> thousand light-years. Was that a slip of the tongue of the speaker?</p>
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Actually, I realize that because the recombination happens at $z \approx 1100$, that's a factor of $1000$ difference. So, in terms of the scale at recombination, the sound horizon is $500$ thousand light-years, but in term of the scale at present, the scale is $500$ million light-years instead. Is that right?
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Interesting question; *great video too!* I hope you don't mind me adding the video and quote. If so I can roll back or you can.
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Is the sound horizon 500 thousand light years or 500 million light years?
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# Is the sound horizon 500 thousand light years or 500 million light years?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-09-25)

At `06:30` in the nice video *Sound Waves from the Beginning of Time*
about the baryon acoustic oscillations (BAO), the speaker says the sound horizon is about $500$ thousand light-years. But, according to the figure to his right, the bump (peak) of the baryon overdensity (mass) indicates that before recombination, the position where the sound reaches is $150$ Mpc, which equals $500$ million light-years rather than $500$ thousand light-years. Was that a slip of the tongue of the speaker?

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**Tags:** astrophysics, cosmology, cosmic-microwave-background, sound

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Actually, I realize that because the recombination happens at $z \approx 1100$, that's a factor of $1000$ difference. So, in terms of the scale at recombination, the sound horizon is $500$ thousand light-years, but in term of the scale at present, the scale is $500$ million light-years instead. Is that right?  
> **username_1**: Interesting question; *great video too!* I hope you don't mind me adding the video and quote. If so I can roll back or you can.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2021-10-06. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

I think you answered your own question in the comments, but I'll answer here to provide a definitive answer.

> the speaker says the sound horizon is about 500 thousand light-years.

You're missing out on the crucial part of that phrase which is "*At the recombination*, it was around five hundred thousand light years". That was more than 13 billions years ago though, and the universe has continued to expand since then.

After that initial shell got frozen in at the period of recombination at a radius of around 500,000 light years (0.15 Mpc), the universe expanded and that shell is now, in the present day, roughly 1000 times larger at 500 million light years (150 Mpc).

This statement is corroborated by sources such as [this one](http://www.astro.ucla.edu/%7Ewright/BAO-cosmology.html) from the UCLA which states:

> so at recombination the shell has a radius of about 450,000 light years. This expands after recombination to a current size of 500 million light years.

However, this seems to be a disconnect with the diagram in the video which shows a wave traveling out and freezing at 150 Mpc. For reference, the video's source is from [Adam Hincks website](https://adh-sj.info/bao_cmb.php#about). A similar visual can be seen on [Daniel Eisenstein's website](https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/%7Edeisenst/acousticpeak/acoustic_physics.html) (one of the major players in the field of BAO).

The explanation is that these diagrams are *illustrative only* and are not making an effort to properly model all the physics involved in generating a BAO and then having that BAO expand due to an expanding universe. Instead, they're merely trying to explain the physics involved. Importantly, they only simulate the creation of the wave and not the subsequent expansion of the wave due to the expansion of the universe. The numbers used and physical setup has been carefully constructed to be as pedagogical as possible.

I do think it is a slight disservice to create a simulation which shows acoustic waves being created with a radius of 150 Mpc simply because that is the size of the wave today. Such an event is not physically possible as the matter would have to be traveling faster than the speed of light in order to reach that size by recombination. Suffice to say, the graphics should not be taken at face value, but merely as instructive tools on the process.


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