<p><strong>Short Answer:</strong> Choose a minimum and maximum radii <span class="math-container">$r$</span> in AU for your habitable zone on Earth, and translate it into an orbital period <span class="math-container">$p$</span> in days around Eradani with equivalent stellar energy with this formula <span class="math-container">$p \approx 193r^{3/2}$</span>. A planet in orbit around Eradani with a period of one year would get almost as much energy as Mars gets from our Sun.</p>
<p><strong>Long Answer:</strong> For a planet with a circular orbit around the Sun with a given radius <span class="math-container">$r_s$</span>, the planet needs to be in an orbit <span class="math-container">$r_e \approx 0.6r_s$</span> from Eradani to get the same amount of energy.  That means for an Eradani planet to get the same energy as Earth gets from the Sun, it would need to be at 0.6 AU instead of 1 AU.</p>
<p>In our solar system, we know that a planet at 0.6 AU will have a velocity dictated by the Vis-Viva equation for a circular orbit or <span class="math-container">$v_s = \sqrt{\mu_s/r}$</span>. Here, <span class="math-container">$\mu_s \approx 1.327e11km^3s^2$</span> is the Sun's gravitational constant.  Then for <span class="math-container">$r=0.6$</span>, <span class="math-container">$$v_s \approx\sqrt{\frac{1.327e11}{r*1.5e8}} \approx38.4km/s$$</span></p>
<p>with a corresponding orbital period around the sun of</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$p_s=2\pi r/v \approx \frac{2*\pi*0.6*1.5e8}{38.4}\frac{1}{86400} \approx 170d$$</span>
Eradani's gravitational constant <span class="math-container">$\mu_e = 0.78\mu_s$</span>, so at 0.6 AU around Eradani, a planet will only have a velocity of <span class="math-container">$v_e \approx  \sqrt{0.78}v_s \approx 0.88v_s \approx 33.9km/s$</span> with corresponding orbital period <span class="math-container">$p_e \approx p_s/0.88 \approx 193d .$</span>  In other words, a planet in orbit around Eradani receiving the same energy as Earth would have an orbital radius of 0.6 AU and a period of 193 days.</p>
<p>We can substitute the Vis Viva equation into the equation for period to get a single equation relating an orbital radius around the Sun to a orbital period with equivalent stellar energy on Eradani:
<span class="math-container">$$p_e=\frac{2\pi r_e \sqrt{r_e}}{\sqrt{\mu_e}} \approx \frac{2\pi (0.6r_s)^{3/2}}{\sqrt{0.78\mu_s}} \approx 193r_s^{3/2}$$</span></p>
<p>From the above equation and <span class="math-container">$r_e \approx 0.6r_s$</span>, we can calculate the orbits and periods giving us the same energy from Eradani as we get from the Sun.  Below is a table mapping energy equivalent orbital radii and periods for Venus, Earth, and Mars.</p>
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<table class="s-table">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>Sun Radius (AU)</th>
<th>Eradani Radius (AU)</th>
<th>Eradani Orbital Period (days)</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>0.72 (Venus)</td>
<td>0.432</td>
<td>118</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>1 (Earth)</td>
<td>0.6</td>
<td>193</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>1.5 (Mars)</td>
<td>0.9</td>
<td>355</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</div>
<p>A planet getting the same energy from Eradani as Mars gets from our Sun would have a comparable orbital period as Earth.</p>

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<p>The planet Vulcan, in <em>Star Trek</em>, is one of the most famous fictional planets.</p>
<p>The length of a Vulcan year comes up in my answer at:</p>
<p><a href="https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/240373/how-old-was-spock-in-star-trek-while-he-was-serving-on-the-enterprise/240425#240425">How old was Spock in Star Trek while he was serving on the Enterprise?</a></p>
<p>So what would be the length of a Vulcan year be if Vulcan orbited 40 Eridani A, which is a very common opinion among <em>star Trek</em> fans?</p>
<p>40 Eridani A is less luminous than the Sun, so to receive as much heat and light from 40 Eridani A as Earth gets from the Sun, a planet would have to orbit closer to 40 Eridani A than Earth orbits the sun.</p>
<p>A planetary orbit with a shorter semi-major axis would naturally have a shorter circumference.  Thus the total distance such a planet traveled in one orbit would be less than the distance traveled by Earth in one orbit.</p>
<p>If the 40 Eridani A planet orbited 40 Eridani A at the same speed as Earth orbits the Sun, its orbital period or year would shorter than Earth's year. But since 40 Eridani A  is less massive than the Sun, the required orbital speed would be less than that of a planet orbiting the Sun at the same distance, and thus the year would be longer than the year of a planet orbiting the Sun at that distance.</p>
<p>So what is the range in possible year lengths of a planet (with a thin atmosphere, but enough oxygen to be  breathable for humans) orbiting 40 Eridani A within the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A?</p>
<p>To calculate the size of the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A, one should just multiply the inner and outer edges of Sun's habitable zone by the luminosity of 40 Eridani A compared to the Sun's luminosity, I think.  Unfortunately, there is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone#Solar_System_estimates" rel="nofollow noreferrer">considerable controversy about the inner and outer limits of the Sun's habitable zone</a>.</p>
<p>In the episode &quot;Amok Time&quot;:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>KIRK: It's lovely. I wish the breeze were cooler.</p>
<p>MCCOY: Yeah. Hot as Vulcan. Now I understand what that phrase means.</p>
<p>KIRK: The atmosphere is thinner than Earth.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So Vulcan should probably receive more radiation from its star than Earth gets from the Sun to be so hot.</p>
<p>But possibly a lot of the heat on Vulcan comes from inside the planet, due to tidal heating from interactions with other objects in its star system.  The gravity of Jupiter and the other Galilean moons causes Io to have the most intense volcanism in the Solar System, for example.</p>
<p>In the animated episode &quot;Yesterday&quot;, another world is seen on the horizon of Vulcan.  In most editions of <em>Star Trek: The Motion Picture</em>, two worlds are seen in the sky in a scene presumably on Vulcan.</p>
<p>In &quot;The Man Trap&quot;, Uhura talks with Spock:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>UHURA: No, you have an answer. I'm an illogical woman who's beginning to feel too much a part of that communications console. Why don't you tell me I'm an attractive young lady, or ask me if I've ever been in love? Tell me how your planet Vulcan looks on a lazy evening when the moon is full.</p>
<p>SPOCK: Vulcan has no moon, Miss Uhura.</p>
<p>UHURA: I'm not surprised, Mister Spock.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So if Vulcan has no moon, maybe it is part of a double planet with another planet.  Or maybe Vulcan is a moon of a very large planet.  Or maybe Vulcan occasionally passes close to another planet in the system, close enough for that planet (or planets) to appear as a disc in the sky of Vulcan.</p>
<p>One of those possibilities might possibly produce sufficient tidal heating for Vulcan to be at least as hot as Earth while being far enough from 40 Eridani A to have a year approximately one Earth year long.</p>
<p>Some of the planets in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRAPPIST-1#Planetary_system" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><em>Trappist-1</em> system</a> are in the habitable zone, and they orbit so close to each other that some of them sometimes appear larger than the full Moon of Earth in the skies of other planets.</p>
<p>And if Vulcan periodically passes close to an outer or inner planet and the tidal heating produced by those close encounters is important for Vulcan temperatures, perhaps the hot season in Vulcan is when it is near that other planet, and the colder seasons are when Vulcan is farther from it.  So possibly the Vulcan &quot;year&quot; is actually the synodic period of Vulcan with that other planet, which could be longer than the orbital period of Vulcan around 40 Eridani A.</p>
<p>A planet seems to have been discovered orbiting 40 Eridani A in 2018, several times as massive as Earth and so close to 40 Eridani A that it would be hotter than Mercury.  That can not be Vulcan (which is fictional after all), but might limit the possible orbits of a planet in the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A.</p>
<p>So I wonder if anyone can calculate the possible range of year lengths of a habitable planet in the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A, or possibly orbiting outside the habitable zone but kept warm by tidal heating?</p>

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It's common to crudely define habitable zone as no atmosphere and planetary mean equilibrium temperature between 0°C and 100°C (liquid water - yes one can be more elaborate, but, heck, it's an estimate). Calculate those distances and then apply Kepler's law based on the known(?) mass of the host star and the just-calculated distance.
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There's some room for flexibility and no distinct boundary of the habitable zone and as a result, no distinct boundary for year lengths.   As a rule, the smaller star means shorter years within the habitable zone.  The distance to star, while maintaining roughly equal heat per area decreases faster than the mass of the star. as a result, orbital speed actually goes up while the distance or circumference goes down leading to measurably shorter years on average, even at .84 solar masses, the estimate of 40 Eridani A.   Maybe you could work around that with enough greenhouse gas.
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The period of revolution of a body around another one depends on its distance to it and the mass of the main body. So your question is very open-ended…
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What would be the year length of a habitable planet of 40 Eridani A?
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# What would be the year length of a habitable planet of 40 Eridani A?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-12-15)

The planet Vulcan, in *Star Trek*, is one of the most famous fictional planets.

The length of a Vulcan year comes up in my answer at:

[How old was Spock in Star Trek while he was serving on the Enterprise?](https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/240373/how-old-was-spock-in-star-trek-while-he-was-serving-on-the-enterprise/240425#240425)

So what would be the length of a Vulcan year be if Vulcan orbited 40 Eridani A, which is a very common opinion among *star Trek* fans?

40 Eridani A is less luminous than the Sun, so to receive as much heat and light from 40 Eridani A as Earth gets from the Sun, a planet would have to orbit closer to 40 Eridani A than Earth orbits the sun.

A planetary orbit with a shorter semi-major axis would naturally have a shorter circumference. Thus the total distance such a planet traveled in one orbit would be less than the distance traveled by Earth in one orbit.

If the 40 Eridani A planet orbited 40 Eridani A at the same speed as Earth orbits the Sun, its orbital period or year would shorter than Earth's year. But since 40 Eridani A is less massive than the Sun, the required orbital speed would be less than that of a planet orbiting the Sun at the same distance, and thus the year would be longer than the year of a planet orbiting the Sun at that distance.

So what is the range in possible year lengths of a planet (with a thin atmosphere, but enough oxygen to be breathable for humans) orbiting 40 Eridani A within the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A?

To calculate the size of the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A, one should just multiply the inner and outer edges of Sun's habitable zone by the luminosity of 40 Eridani A compared to the Sun's luminosity, I think. Unfortunately, there is [considerable controversy about the inner and outer limits of the Sun's habitable zone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone#Solar_System_estimates).

In the episode "Amok Time":

> KIRK: It's lovely. I wish the breeze were cooler.
>
> MCCOY: Yeah. Hot as Vulcan. Now I understand what that phrase means.
>
> KIRK: The atmosphere is thinner than Earth.

So Vulcan should probably receive more radiation from its star than Earth gets from the Sun to be so hot.

But possibly a lot of the heat on Vulcan comes from inside the planet, due to tidal heating from interactions with other objects in its star system. The gravity of Jupiter and the other Galilean moons causes Io to have the most intense volcanism in the Solar System, for example.

In the animated episode "Yesterday", another world is seen on the horizon of Vulcan. In most editions of *Star Trek: The Motion Picture*, two worlds are seen in the sky in a scene presumably on Vulcan.

In "The Man Trap", Uhura talks with Spock:

> UHURA: No, you have an answer. I'm an illogical woman who's beginning to feel too much a part of that communications console. Why don't you tell me I'm an attractive young lady, or ask me if I've ever been in love? Tell me how your planet Vulcan looks on a lazy evening when the moon is full.
>
> SPOCK: Vulcan has no moon, Miss Uhura.
>
> UHURA: I'm not surprised, Mister Spock.

So if Vulcan has no moon, maybe it is part of a double planet with another planet. Or maybe Vulcan is a moon of a very large planet. Or maybe Vulcan occasionally passes close to another planet in the system, close enough for that planet (or planets) to appear as a disc in the sky of Vulcan.

One of those possibilities might possibly produce sufficient tidal heating for Vulcan to be at least as hot as Earth while being far enough from 40 Eridani A to have a year approximately one Earth year long.

Some of the planets in the [*Trappist-1* system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRAPPIST-1#Planetary_system) are in the habitable zone, and they orbit so close to each other that some of them sometimes appear larger than the full Moon of Earth in the skies of other planets.

And if Vulcan periodically passes close to an outer or inner planet and the tidal heating produced by those close encounters is important for Vulcan temperatures, perhaps the hot season in Vulcan is when it is near that other planet, and the colder seasons are when Vulcan is farther from it. So possibly the Vulcan "year" is actually the synodic period of Vulcan with that other planet, which could be longer than the orbital period of Vulcan around 40 Eridani A.

A planet seems to have been discovered orbiting 40 Eridani A in 2018, several times as massive as Earth and so close to 40 Eridani A that it would be hotter than Mercury. That can not be Vulcan (which is fictional after all), but might limit the possible orbits of a planet in the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A.

So I wonder if anyone can calculate the possible range of year lengths of a habitable planet in the habitable zone of 40 Eridani A, or possibly orbiting outside the habitable zone but kept warm by tidal heating?

**Tags:** orbit, planet, exoplanet

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: It's common to crudely define habitable zone as no atmosphere and planetary mean equilibrium temperature between 0°C and 100°C (liquid water - yes one can be more elaborate, but, heck, it's an estimate). Calculate those distances and then apply Kepler's law based on the known(?) mass of the host star and the just-calculated distance.  
> **username_2**: There's some room for flexibility and no distinct boundary of the habitable zone and as a result, no distinct boundary for year lengths.   As a rule, the smaller star means shorter years within the habitable zone.  The distance to star, while maintaining roughly equal heat per area decreases faster than the mass of the star. as a result, orbital speed actually goes up while the distance or circumference goes down leading to measurably shorter years on average, even at .84 solar masses, the estimate of 40 Eridani A.   Maybe you could work around that with enough greenhouse gas.  
> **username_3**: The period of revolution of a body around another one depends on its distance to it and the mass of the main body. So your question is very open-ended…  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2020-12-16. Score: 2

**Short Answer:** Choose a minimum and maximum radii $r$ in AU for your habitable zone on Earth, and translate it into an orbital period $p$ in days around Eradani with equivalent stellar energy with this formula $p \approx 193r^{3/2}$. A planet in orbit around Eradani with a period of one year would get almost as much energy as Mars gets from our Sun.

**Long Answer:** For a planet with a circular orbit around the Sun with a given radius $r\_s$, the planet needs to be in an orbit $r\_e \approx 0.6r\_s$ from Eradani to get the same amount of energy. That means for an Eradani planet to get the same energy as Earth gets from the Sun, it would need to be at 0.6 AU instead of 1 AU.

In our solar system, we know that a planet at 0.6 AU will have a velocity dictated by the Vis-Viva equation for a circular orbit or $v\_s = \sqrt{\mu\_s/r}$. Here, $\mu\_s \approx 1.327e11km^3s^2$ is the Sun's gravitational constant. Then for $r=0.6$, $$v\_s \approx\sqrt{\frac{1.327e11}{r\*1.5e8}} \approx38.4km/s$$

with a corresponding orbital period around the sun of

$$p\_s=2\pi r/v \approx \frac{2\*\pi\*0.6\*1.5e8}{38.4}\frac{1}{86400} \approx 170d$$
Eradani's gravitational constant $\mu\_e = 0.78\mu\_s$, so at 0.6 AU around Eradani, a planet will only have a velocity of $v\_e \approx \sqrt{0.78}v\_s \approx 0.88v\_s \approx 33.9km/s$ with corresponding orbital period $p\_e \approx p\_s/0.88 \approx 193d .$ In other words, a planet in orbit around Eradani receiving the same energy as Earth would have an orbital radius of 0.6 AU and a period of 193 days.

We can substitute the Vis Viva equation into the equation for period to get a single equation relating an orbital radius around the Sun to a orbital period with equivalent stellar energy on Eradani:
$$p\_e=\frac{2\pi r\_e \sqrt{r\_e}}{\sqrt{\mu\_e}} \approx \frac{2\pi (0.6r\_s)^{3/2}}{\sqrt{0.78\mu\_s}} \approx 193r\_s^{3/2}$$

From the above equation and $r\_e \approx 0.6r\_s$, we can calculate the orbits and periods giving us the same energy from Eradani as we get from the Sun. Below is a table mapping energy equivalent orbital radii and periods for Venus, Earth, and Mars.

| Sun Radius (AU) | Eradani Radius (AU) | Eradani Orbital Period (days) |
| --- | --- | --- |
| 0.72 (Venus) | 0.432 | 118 |
| 1 (Earth) | 0.6 | 193 |
| 1.5 (Mars) | 0.9 | 355 |

A planet getting the same energy from Eradani as Mars gets from our Sun would have a comparable orbital period as Earth.


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