<p>You can use <a href="http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/VizieR-3?-source=VIII/1A&amp;-out.max=500&amp;-out.form=ascii" rel="nofollow noreferrer">VizieR</a> to retrieve the whole catalogue (3C and revised 3C). </p>

<p><strong>VizieR</strong> is an online astronomical catalogue that allows you to access a quite comprehensive list of catalogues (16,929, <a href="http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/vizier//index.gml" rel="nofollow noreferrer">as of today</a>); you can easily query and extract all kind of data from this online tool.</p>

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2018-01-09T13:47:57.667Z
Thanks for that, I had the feeling that VizieR (or SIMBAD, for that matter) were somewhat "secondary sources". But you're right, that's possibly the most practical approach to getting all the data.
jstarek
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2018-01-09T14:53:26.880Z
Well, all CDS services were designed to simplify astronomers' life, trying to gather as much data as possible in one place... and if you want to work with heterogenous data (coming from different catalogues, in different wavelengths and so on) I don't know anything more practical. On top of that, you can query easily VizieR with libraries as [astropy](https://astroquery.readthedocs.io/en/v0.1-0/vizier.html), now widely used in the community.
MBR
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MBR
<p>You should use 3CRR. It contains a few sources of large angular diameter that were missed in the original surveys.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Cambridge_Catalogue_of_Radio_Sources#3CRR" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Cambridge_Catalogue_of_Radio_Sources#3CRR</a></li>
<li><a href="https://3crr.extragalactic.info/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://3crr.extragalactic.info/</a></li>
</ul>

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Tony Willis
<p>In radio astronomy, many common objects are refered to by their designation from the 3rd Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources, e.g. <a href="http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=3C%20353" rel="nofollow noreferrer">3C 353</a>. </p>

<p>For hobbyist purposes, I would like to create a catalogue for Cartes du Ciel that shows the location of the 3C objects. However, the catalogue exists in three versions, 3C from 1959 being the original, and <a href="http://simbad.harvard.edu/simbad/sim-ref?querymethod=bib&amp;simbo=on&amp;submit=submit%20bibcode&amp;bibcode=1959MmRAS..68...37E" rel="nofollow noreferrer">3CR</a> (1962) and <a href="http://3crr.extragalactic.info/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">3CRR</a> (1983) updating the original. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/facilities/surveys/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Later surveys</a> at different frequency bands used similar designations, e.g. 4C, 5C and so on.</p>

<p>Looking at the databases linked above, however, it seems that both only list the updates to the original catalogue (e.g. 3C 353 is listed in neither of them). Is there a digitized, comprehensive catalogue of all 3C objects? Or, even better, is there an archive where I could combine entries from several C surveys based on, say, 21cm flux?</p>

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BTW: I do realize that there are many more modern catalogues available, but I am especially interested in 3C because its designations are so widely used.
jstarek
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2018-01-02T02:17:11.517Z
That page is telling you that 3C 353 is also known as 2C 1473, 3CR 353, 4C -00.67, etc, etc, etc.  So, it exists in about 40 different catalogs with different names.
eshaya
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Is there a complete edition of the Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources (esp. 3C) available digitally?
jstarek
# Is there a complete edition of the Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources (esp. 3C) available digitally?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-12-18)

In radio astronomy, many common objects are refered to by their designation from the 3rd Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources, e.g. [3C 353](http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=3C%20353).

For hobbyist purposes, I would like to create a catalogue for Cartes du Ciel that shows the location of the 3C objects. However, the catalogue exists in three versions, 3C from 1959 being the original, and [3CR](http://simbad.harvard.edu/simbad/sim-ref?querymethod=bib&simbo=on&submit=submit%20bibcode&bibcode=1959MmRAS..68...37E) (1962) and [3CRR](http://3crr.extragalactic.info/) (1983) updating the original.

[Later surveys](http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/facilities/surveys/) at different frequency bands used similar designations, e.g. 4C, 5C and so on.

Looking at the databases linked above, however, it seems that both only list the updates to the original catalogue (e.g. 3C 353 is listed in neither of them). Is there a digitized, comprehensive catalogue of all 3C objects? Or, even better, is there an archive where I could combine entries from several C surveys based on, say, 21cm flux?

**Tags:** radio-astronomy, star-catalogues

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: BTW: I do realize that there are many more modern catalogues available, but I am especially interested in 3C because its designations are so widely used.  
> **username_1**: That page is telling you that 3C 353 is also known as 2C 1473, 3CR 353, 4C -00.67, etc, etc, etc.  So, it exists in about 40 different catalogs with different names.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-01-09. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

You can use [VizieR](http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/VizieR-3?-source=VIII/1A&-out.max=500&-out.form=ascii) to retrieve the whole catalogue (3C and revised 3C).

**VizieR** is an online astronomical catalogue that allows you to access a quite comprehensive list of catalogues (16,929, [as of today](http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/vizier//index.gml)); you can easily query and extract all kind of data from this online tool.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks for that, I had the feeling that VizieR (or SIMBAD, for that matter) were somewhat "secondary sources". But you're right, that's possibly the most practical approach to getting all the data.  
> **username_2**: Well, all CDS services were designed to simplify astronomers' life, trying to gather as much data as possible in one place... and if you want to work with heterogenous data (coming from different catalogues, in different wavelengths and so on) I don't know anything more practical. On top of that, you can query easily VizieR with libraries as [astropy](https://astroquery.readthedocs.io/en/v0.1-0/vizier.html), now widely used in the community.  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2019-05-23. Score: 3

You should use 3CRR. It contains a few sources of large angular diameter that were missed in the original surveys.

* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Cambridge_Catalogue_of_Radio_Sources#3CRR>
* <https://3crr.extragalactic.info/>


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