<p>I don't see why this question would be down voted. I think that the most we could determine is that the conditions for life are present on a Planet. The only way to know for certain would be to actually go there . However we could perhaps detect certain gases that could only be emitted from living organisms and this would be be some proof.</p>

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Peter U
<p>Artificial construction (processed pure metals), if we can see it.
Truthfully it's a wishy washy subject, if you're a biologist and you wanna name a species? You need either a body or a fossil.
One method astronomers put forth as a means to detect civilizations was to find the infrared signatures produced by an energy consuming society.</p>

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LazyReader
<p>Lots of frontier science lectures to watch on nearby topics here:
<a href="https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/seminars/" rel="noreferrer">https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/seminars/</a></p>

<p>Your very question seems to be the hottest topic in astronomy today.</p>

<p>My impression is that if oxygen gas and methane were on the same exoplanet, then it certainly must be living biological processing creating that there. Nothing else could explain the coexistence of the two. And even if one of those two gasses could occur abiologically, and a range of exoplanets with one of them would be found, statistically one could deduce a frequency of planets which must have life, because the abiotic processes could only explain a certain maximum part of them.</p>

<p>It is a pitty that most exoplanets are in size between Venus and Neptune, which are at the same time the least explored planets in our Solar system. When a sub-Neptune or a super-Venus has its atmosphere examined for the first time, we won't have as good references as we could've had.</p>

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Hot topic perhaps, but certainly one of the least scientificly conducted ones.
AtmosphericPrisonEscape
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+1 It is a subject where astronomers can help exo-biologists (no sillier than many other university departments) but it would be nice if the time and resources were spent on the current problems in astronomy.
C. Towne Springer
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I don't understand. Isn't searching for life an important scientific pursuit and basically the reason for all the nasa missions to mars?
math_lover
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@JoshuaBenabou Of course it is! It is what motivates most young astronomers today. It is the base of the design of the big spaceflight and telescope missions. It is what made the president about 20 years ago hold a press conference about what might've been evidence of ancient life on Mars, caught in a meteorite. Some who research extragalactic plasma might not care, but the search for extraterrestrial life is de facto THE mission of astronomy in our day. Foolish or not, that's how it is. 50 years ago a test pilot on the Moon was cool. Today no one cares. Just find life!
LocalFluff
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Right, so what in the world is C. Towne Springer saying? How is exo-biology a silly university department in the same way that ethics or philosophy is a silly department?
math_lover
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@JoshuaBenabou Well, it is pretty silly, actually. An obvious fad which will fade away. But it's exciting while it lasts!
LocalFluff
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What is silly? Exobiology? You just said yourself it is one of the primary goal of astronomy today, not to mention what of the most important scientific questions. Why is there any reason to believe looking for life should stop until we find it? I don't think NASA would spend billions of dollars on sending rovers to Mars and others spending billions to build telescopes to study exoplanets if people did not think we would find life eventually, or at least find habitable planets.
math_lover
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LocalFluff
<p>There are several ways we are coming closer to answering the question "is there life elsewhere in the universe?". One is by first understanding very well the origin life on our own planet. Another is by trying to look for radio signals from extraterrestrial civilizations. Another is to try to search for habitable exoplanets, and eventually examine the habitable ones in detail via direct imaging. Another is too look for evidence of life or life that existed in the past right in our own solar system (for exmaple on Mars, Titan, Europa, etc). </p>

<p>1) Have I missed any other astronomy-related approaches to answering this question?</p>

<p>2) Short of radio contact from an ET civilization, or a visit by aliens, or the discovery of life/past-life in our solar system, what would give conclusive evidence of alien life in the galaxy? </p>

<p>For example:</p>

<p>In 20 or so years when we develop the technology to directly image exoplanets, we will be able to determine their chemical composition and characterize their structure. If astronmers who study exoplanets found what they are looking for -evidence of oxygen and other biomarker gases - this might be highly suggestive of life, but not conclusive evidence. What kinds of observations of an exoplanets could enable us to say with ceartainty "there is life on this planet"? Short of telescopic observations of truly unbelievable detail, I cannot think of a way that we can look at a planet and say "yes there is life on it, or no there is not" other than perhaps if seeing lights on the dark side of the planet. </p>

<p>Edit: Actually, I forgot the obvious scenario where there are trees/grass on the exoplanet.  But I don't think the plant life is required to be a different color from the rest of the terrain, and a planet with aliens does not have to have plant life. So we might not be able to detect life visually.</p>

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What astronomical observations would give conclusive proof of alien life?
math_lover
# What astronomical observations would give conclusive proof of alien life?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-02-11)

There are several ways we are coming closer to answering the question "is there life elsewhere in the universe?". One is by first understanding very well the origin life on our own planet. Another is by trying to look for radio signals from extraterrestrial civilizations. Another is to try to search for habitable exoplanets, and eventually examine the habitable ones in detail via direct imaging. Another is too look for evidence of life or life that existed in the past right in our own solar system (for exmaple on Mars, Titan, Europa, etc).

1) Have I missed any other astronomy-related approaches to answering this question?

2) Short of radio contact from an ET civilization, or a visit by aliens, or the discovery of life/past-life in our solar system, what would give conclusive evidence of alien life in the galaxy?

For example:

In 20 or so years when we develop the technology to directly image exoplanets, we will be able to determine their chemical composition and characterize their structure. If astronmers who study exoplanets found what they are looking for -evidence of oxygen and other biomarker gases - this might be highly suggestive of life, but not conclusive evidence. What kinds of observations of an exoplanets could enable us to say with ceartainty "there is life on this planet"? Short of telescopic observations of truly unbelievable detail, I cannot think of a way that we can look at a planet and say "yes there is life on it, or no there is not" other than perhaps if seeing lights on the dark side of the planet.

Edit: Actually, I forgot the obvious scenario where there are trees/grass on the exoplanet. But I don't think the plant life is required to be a different color from the rest of the terrain, and a planet with aliens does not have to have plant life. So we might not be able to detect life visually.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/113476/discussion-on-question-by-joshua-benabou-what-astronomical-observations-would-gi).  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2015-02-11. Score: 7 | Accepted answer

Lots of frontier science lectures to watch on nearby topics here:
<https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/seminars/>

Your very question seems to be the hottest topic in astronomy today.

My impression is that if oxygen gas and methane were on the same exoplanet, then it certainly must be living biological processing creating that there. Nothing else could explain the coexistence of the two. And even if one of those two gasses could occur abiologically, and a range of exoplanets with one of them would be found, statistically one could deduce a frequency of planets which must have life, because the abiotic processes could only explain a certain maximum part of them.

It is a pitty that most exoplanets are in size between Venus and Neptune, which are at the same time the least explored planets in our Solar system. When a sub-Neptune or a super-Venus has its atmosphere examined for the first time, we won't have as good references as we could've had.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: Hot topic perhaps, but certainly one of the least scientificly conducted ones.  
> **username_6**: +1 It is a subject where astronomers can help exo-biologists (no sillier than many other university departments) but it would be nice if the time and resources were spent on the current problems in astronomy.  
> **username_0**: I don't understand. Isn't searching for life an important scientific pursuit and basically the reason for all the nasa missions to mars?  
> **username_4**: @JoshuaBenabou Of course it is! It is what motivates most young astronomers today. It is the base of the design of the big spaceflight and telescope missions. It is what made the president about 20 years ago hold a press conference about what might've been evidence of ancient life on Mars, caught in a meteorite. Some who research extragalactic plasma might not care, but the search for extraterrestrial life is de facto THE mission of astronomy in our day. Foolish or not, that's how it is. 50 years ago a test pilot on the Moon was cool. Today no one cares. Just find life!  
> **username_0**: Right, so what in the world is username_6 saying? How is exo-biology a silly university department in the same way that ethics or philosophy is a silly department?  
> **username_4**: @JoshuaBenabou Well, it is pretty silly, actually. An obvious fad which will fade away. But it's exciting while it lasts!  
> **username_0**: What is silly? Exobiology? You just said yourself it is one of the primary goal of astronomy today, not to mention what of the most important scientific questions. Why is there any reason to believe looking for life should stop until we find it? I don't think NASA would spend billions of dollars on sending rovers to Mars and others spending billions to build telescopes to study exoplanets if people did not think we would find life eventually, or at least find habitable planets.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2015-02-11. Score: 0

I don't see why this question would be down voted. I think that the most we could determine is that the conditions for life are present on a Planet. The only way to know for certain would be to actually go there . However we could perhaps detect certain gases that could only be emitted from living organisms and this would be be some proof.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2020-09-28. Score: 0

Artificial construction (processed pure metals), if we can see it.
Truthfully it's a wishy washy subject, if you're a biologist and you wanna name a species? You need either a body or a fossil.
One method astronomers put forth as a means to detect civilizations was to find the infrared signatures produced by an energy consuming society.


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