<p>What you may be missing is that no two telescope, filter and detector combinations are the same. A colour index defined by your method would be measured differently by different observers.</p>

<p>The solution is to define standards that  have defined magnitudes and colours that all observers can use to calibrate their observations.</p>

<p>In actual fact, the basic measurement is
<span class="math-container">$$ B-V = \alpha (b-v) + z + \beta X,$$</span>
where <span class="math-container">$b$</span> and <span class="math-container">$v$</span> are native measured magnitudes (-2.5 log the detected adu with a correction for exposure time) and <span class="math-container">$X$</span> is the airmass. The constants <span class="math-container">$\alpha$</span>, zeropoint <span class="math-container">$z$</span> and extinction coefficient <span class="math-container">$\beta$</span> are determined by observing a network of secondary standards with a range of colours at a range of airmasses.</p>

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Thank you for the elaboration. That's very helpful.
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<p>As an amateur astronomer for 60 years and always as interested in the science as in the observing, I thought I had a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals. But I'm distance-auditing a third-year course in the fundamentals of applied astronomy, and I found that I had a misconception about the color index. </p>

<p>I had assumed the CI was derived by measuring the star's own magnitude in each of, say, the <em>B</em> and <em>V</em> passbands, then subtracting to get the CI (e.g., by taking the ratio of flux intensities, expressed as a magnitude).</p>

<p>Not so! It's derived by measuring the star's magnitude <em>relative to standard zero points</em> (the magnitude of Vega at each of those wavelengths) that are <em>defined to be</em> magnitude 0 <em>for those wavelength</em>, then subtracting to get the CI.</p>

<p>My question is: Why measure two fluxes relative to a standard and then compare those two values, rather than simply measuring them relative to each other? Why <em>not</em> just measure the flux at each wavelength, take the ratio, express this as a magnitude, and use that as the CI? The relationships are the same either way, just with a different zero point (think 0K and -273°C). It seems like finding how far apart Cleveland and Chicago are by measuring the distance of each from NYC and subtracting, rather than just measuring the distance between them. I don't see that the convention accomplishes anything other than assigning a CI of 0 to "neutral" white stars. Or am I missing something?</p>

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# Basis of color index

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-04-20)

As an amateur astronomer for 60 years and always as interested in the science as in the observing, I thought I had a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals. But I'm distance-auditing a third-year course in the fundamentals of applied astronomy, and I found that I had a misconception about the color index.

I had assumed the CI was derived by measuring the star's own magnitude in each of, say, the *B* and *V* passbands, then subtracting to get the CI (e.g., by taking the ratio of flux intensities, expressed as a magnitude).

Not so! It's derived by measuring the star's magnitude *relative to standard zero points* (the magnitude of Vega at each of those wavelengths) that are *defined to be* magnitude 0 *for those wavelength*, then subtracting to get the CI.

My question is: Why measure two fluxes relative to a standard and then compare those two values, rather than simply measuring them relative to each other? Why *not* just measure the flux at each wavelength, take the ratio, express this as a magnitude, and use that as the CI? The relationships are the same either way, just with a different zero point (think 0K and -273°C). It seems like finding how far apart Cleveland and Chicago are by measuring the distance of each from NYC and subtracting, rather than just measuring the distance between them. I don't see that the convention accomplishes anything other than assigning a CI of 0 to "neutral" white stars. Or am I missing something?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2019-04-20. Score: 2

What you may be missing is that no two telescope, filter and detector combinations are the same. A colour index defined by your method would be measured differently by different observers.

The solution is to define standards that have defined magnitudes and colours that all observers can use to calibrate their observations.

In actual fact, the basic measurement is
$$ B-V = \alpha (b-v) + z + \beta X,$$
where $b$ and $v$ are native measured magnitudes (-2.5 log the detected adu with a correction for exposure time) and $X$ is the airmass. The constants $\alpha$, zeropoint $z$ and extinction coefficient $\beta$ are determined by observing a network of secondary standards with a range of colours at a range of airmasses.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thank you for the elaboration. That's very helpful.  

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