<p><strong>Note:</strong> this answer was posted under duress; though I mentioned in a comment under the question that I was composing an answer, several users have decided to close the question out from under me. Therefore I've put this together a little hastily. It's late here and I'll come back in the morning to address any questions or requests for clarification, and probably add some more information.</p>

<hr>

<blockquote>
  <p>Is it scientifically possible to predict (simulate...) in future with 100% accuracy as to the location of the moon?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Nothing is 100% accurate or possible. But it is highly likely that the apparent position of the Moon from a given geographic position on Earth can be predicted to very high precision over the next five years. Each aspect:</p>

<ol>
<li>Geometry</li>
<li>Geography</li>
<li>Time</li>
<li>Meteorology/atmospherics</li>
</ol>

<p>is predictable based on well-understood scientific principles which have been tested against a substantial extent of data.</p>

<p>Without a specific specification in the question, I can present these aspects of the problem and give an example of the precision to which they can be predicted.</p>

<hr>

<h2>Geometry</h2>

<p>We have records of bits and pieces of the Moon's motion for several thousand years from accounts of eclipses, and several hundred years with much more precision with respect to time and to other stars from records of lunar occultations of stars as seen through telescopes. </p>

<p>Combine this with laser ranging measurements of the moon which fit theoretical predictions to <strong>centimeter accuracy over a period longer than forty years</strong>, and it seems that the relative positions of the Earth and Moon are probably going to continue to be within a few centimeters for the next five years as well.</p>

<p>You can read further about that in 
 - <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0411113" rel="noreferrer">Progress in Lunar Laser Ranging Tests of Relativistic Gravity</a>
 - <a href="http://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/papers/rop-llr.pdf" rel="noreferrer">Lunar laser ranging: the millimeter challenge</a></p>

<p>Now the position of the Earth relative to the Sun is a different matter. If you want to read about how these calculations are done you can have a look <a href="https://space.stackexchange.com/a/23409/12102">at this answer</a> to <em>How to calculate the planets and moons beyond Newtons's gravitational force?</em> These days the movements of the Sun, Earth, planets, and other bodies with enough mass to affect their motions substantially are know extremely well. </p>

<p>Let's look at one of the major <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Propulsion_Laboratory_Development_Ephemeris" rel="noreferrer">JPL Development Ephemerides</a>. In the abstract of <a href="https://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/naif/generic_kernels/spk/planets/de430_and_de431.pdf" rel="noreferrer">The Planetary and Lunar Ephemerides
DE430 and DE431</a> there are a few sentences that give us some idea of what's discussed in this pretty in-depth report:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>The planetary and lunar ephemerides DE430 and DE431 are generated by fitting
  numerically integrated orbits of the Moon and planets to observations. <strong>The present-day
  lunar orbit is known to submeter</strong> accuracy through fitting lunar laser ranging data with
  an updated lunar gravity field from the Gravity Recovery and Interior Laboratory (GRAIL)
  mission. <strong>The orbits of the inner planets are known to subkilometer accuracy</strong> through fitting radio tracking measurements of spacecraft in orbit about them. </p>
</blockquote>

<h2>Geography</h2>

<p>The visibility of a crescent moon from a given spot on Earth needs more than the positions of the center of masses of the Moon, Earth, and Sun. We need the position of the viewer. These days we can get GPS coordinates of the site, but those coordinates are fixed to the Earth, and the Earth rotates around its axis and its axis nutates and wobbles.</p>

<p>That motion is pretty small on the scale of five years, you can see the image below showing the motion of the Tropic of Cancer each year.</p>

<h2>Time</h2>

<p>The rotational speed of the Earth increases and decreases in a somewhat unsteady way, and this is why the placement of leap seconds looks a bit uneven. However, the fact that we are talking about one second makes it clear that the uncertainty over five years is likely to be a handful of seconds. </p>

<p>Still, <strong>this may be the single biggest risk in the accuracy of the prediction five years into the future!</strong></p>

<p>There could be a major seismic event, magma movement, or big chunk of ice that falls into the ocean. Specific details about how these can affect the rotational speed of the Earth (and the exact direction of its axes) need to be addressed in detail in separate questions, but this could be an upset. </p>

<p>Of course we would know about it, and a request for an updated five year report could be issued. The time error wouldn't suddenly jump to some big number, it would slowly start accumulating, and there would be time to recalculate before it became significant.</p>

<h2>Atmospherics and Meteorology</h2>

<p>This is the hardest one. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction" rel="noreferrer">Refraction from the atmosphere</a> can move the apparent position of objects significantly, up to a fraction of a degree. But the amount of refraction is fairly well predictable. It depends a little bit on the Weather because index of refraction's deviation from 1.0 depends almost linearly on the density of the air, and slightly on the humidity. But this is a very small correction on top of a small correction.</p>

<hr>

<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration" rel="noreferrer">Lunar Libration</a> image from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lunar_libration_with_phase2.gif" rel="noreferrer">here</a></p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/lLTA5.gif" alt="enter image description here"></p>

<p>Lunar Laser Ranging images <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment" rel="noreferrer">from here</a></p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/j7j38.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/j7j38.png" alt="enter image description here"></a>
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/DGsBA.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/DGsBA.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/iqHwP.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/iqHwP.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tr%C3%B3pico_de_C%C3%A1ncer_en_M%C3%A9xico_-_Carretera_83_(V%C3%ADa_Corta)_Zaragoza-Victoria,_Km_27%2B800.jpg" rel="noreferrer">Source</a></p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Mrpe3.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Mrpe3.png" alt="enter image description here"></a>
<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BennettAtmRefractVsAlt.png" rel="noreferrer">Source</a></p>

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2019-05-07T20:39:31.260Z
Fantastic and in-depth answer, even if (at time of writing) it's reportedly incomplete.
SE Does Not Like Dissent
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2019-05-07T17:16:11.033Z
uhoh
<p>The location is fairly easily possible and even ancient civilizations had managed to do such predictions. In fact for a large part of history large parts of clergy we're committed to just keeping track of time, predicting moon phases, winter/summer solstices and such. Some could even predict eclipses.</p>

<p>However, if it's interpreted that a specific person has to see it and that determines the time something starts, then that is impossible - and it becomes a problem of determining authority rather than anything else. A member of clergy is unlikely to give up such a position of authority as to be the one who has to spot the crescent. However you can still use a calendar to check about what time the specific person should be able to spot it, barring a storm or whatever. The persons importance is greatly diminished though if you don't need him to do the observation anymore and is unlikely to agree to that the sun, earth and moon go on a predictable path.</p>

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2019-05-08T06:38:43.213Z
Lassi Kinnunen
<p>It is Ramzan and the usual heated disagreements between clerics here in Pakistan as to the sighting of the crescent. This time the minister of Science and Technology (who is not a scientist himself btw) <a href="https://www.dawn.com/news/1480849/fawad-chaudhry-forms-committee-to-resolve-moonsighting-controversy" rel="noreferrer">has intervened and formed a committee</a> comprising of meteorologists and our space agency. This committee is tasked to form a 5 year lunar calendar, specially one that will fix the issue of moon sighting of major religious months and events such a Ramzan, Hajj (pilgrimage), Eids etc.</p>

<p>My question is that: Is it scientifically possible to predict (simulate...) in future with 100% accuracy as to the location of the moon? My surface reading of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyapunov_time" rel="noreferrer">Lyapunov time</a> suggests that the solar system can be predicted with accuracy for 5 million years.</p>

<p>I would like to know your understand on this matter.</p>

<p>Also some commenters mentioned that this question might be a duplicate of an other one. I would like to add that there are school of thoughts and in one the condition is that the crescent is to be observed from the surface of the Earth. So I think this question is unique in that sense that it includes that component too.</p>

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2019-05-07T15:59:57.200Z
@StephenG that's not a possible duplicate. This question is about a sighting of a crescent moon, which involves geometry, human vision, and atmospheric effects. Those answers don't touch on most of that, so it can't be a Stack Exchange duplicate; *this question is not answered there.*
uhoh
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2019-05-07T16:00:08.053Z
From a science point of view predicting the Moon's position relative to Earth is on the easy side of things.  From the point of view of resolving a difference of opinion and approach between religious and scientific organizations they will probably always argue - it's about political power, not mathematics.
StephenG - Help Ukraine
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2019-05-07T16:00:35.060Z
Looks like ftp://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/eph/planets/ioms/de430_moon_coord_iom.pdf suggests a modern Lunar ephemeris has an error 0.00046''/year, so the 5 year error is roughly 2 milliarcseconds. I suspect atmospheric distortion is far, far bigger than this.
Anders Sandberg
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2019-05-07T16:02:02.493Z
Predicting the Moon is (relatively) easy. Predicting the clouds isn't so easy.
PM 2Ring
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2019-05-07T16:05:35.783Z
@uhoh The question actually asks about the "location of the Moon".  It does not ask us to resolve the sighting issue you refer to, which does indeed involve essentially random effects (on a 5 year time period) like weather.  So just the location - it's a duplicate IMO.
StephenG - Help Ukraine
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2019-05-07T16:05:40.637Z
Hi Bibrak this is a really interesting question, as it touches on several topics in astronomy at the same time. I can answer something specific about the calculation of the geometrical position of the moon in the sky from a given spot on Earth (including the motion of the Earth and Moon and Sun, atmospheric refraction, etc.), but I'm wondering if that's all you need, or if you want to include how visible the crescent moon would be to the human as well.
uhoh
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2019-05-07T16:14:59.260Z
@StephenG I'm currently writing an answer that addresses this question specifically. This question is about the visible position of the Moon in the sky, not only the position of the Moon in space. These are different and if I am lucky enough to post my answer before the question gets closed, then you'll see how these are different.
uhoh
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2019-05-07T16:28:56.597Z
@uhoh from a religious stand point there is a difference in school of thoughts. Most people have traditionally followed the approach that the moon has to be visible to the human eye (or at least visible from the surface of the earth using a telescope). The other school of thought says that it just needs to exist. I think it will be more interesting if the human element is involved.
Bibrak
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2019-05-07T17:08:30.283Z
@Bibrak have a look at what I've written so far. It's late here now so I'll stop by in the morning to check comments.
uhoh
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2019-05-07T20:27:40.427Z
Nothing is possible to 100% accuracy, but if 99.9999% accuracy is enough, 5 years won't be a problem.
vsz
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2019-05-08T07:38:13.120Z
Apparently the community thinks that these answer here addresses the question better than the proposed duplicate, **I'm proposing to re-open** so as not to send future readers to those answers and away from these.
uhoh
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2019-05-08T20:24:15.833Z
@uhoh - I don't actually see any evidence for that. If you are basing it on comparing votes here and on the older question, that definitely isn't relevant as the site has grown a lot. The answers on the older post are accurate, and while yours has a core that answers the question, the rest (the "fluff" actually makes it harder to read your post. This is definitely one of those times when adding pictures really detracts from the answer.
Rory Alsop
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2019-05-08T23:02:59.167Z
@RoryAlsop images are all at the bottom of the answer, after the end of the text. I can't see how that makes it harder to read, or how it relates to the question being on hold.
uhoh
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2019-05-09T06:59:52.350Z
Two things. Saying the community thinks your answer here better addresses the question is just not honest, and is a direct conflict of interest. Personally, I would vote for the older one as it answers the question perfectly and doesn't have the unhelpful pictures.
Rory Alsop
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Is it possible to do moon sighting in advance for 5 years with 100% accuracy?
Bibrak
# Is it possible to do moon sighting in advance for 5 years with 100% accuracy?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-05-07)

It is Ramzan and the usual heated disagreements between clerics here in Pakistan as to the sighting of the crescent. This time the minister of Science and Technology (who is not a scientist himself btw) [has intervened and formed a committee](https://www.dawn.com/news/1480849/fawad-chaudhry-forms-committee-to-resolve-moonsighting-controversy) comprising of meteorologists and our space agency. This committee is tasked to form a 5 year lunar calendar, specially one that will fix the issue of moon sighting of major religious months and events such a Ramzan, Hajj (pilgrimage), Eids etc.

My question is that: Is it scientifically possible to predict (simulate...) in future with 100% accuracy as to the location of the moon? My surface reading of [Lyapunov time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyapunov_time) suggests that the solar system can be predicted with accuracy for 5 million years.

I would like to know your understand on this matter.

Also some commenters mentioned that this question might be a duplicate of an other one. I would like to add that there are school of thoughts and in one the condition is that the crescent is to be observed from the surface of the Earth. So I think this question is unique in that sense that it includes that component too.

**Tags:** orbit, the-moon, amateur-observing, moon-phases, star-gazing

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: @username_2 that's not a possible duplicate. This question is about a sighting of a crescent moon, which involves geometry, human vision, and atmospheric effects. Those answers don't touch on most of that, so it can't be a Stack Exchange duplicate; *this question is not answered there.*  
> **username_2**: From a science point of view predicting the Moon's position relative to Earth is on the easy side of things.  From the point of view of resolving a difference of opinion and approach between religious and scientific organizations they will probably always argue - it's about political power, not mathematics.  
> **username_3**: Looks like ftp://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/eph/planets/ioms/de430_moon_coord_iom.pdf suggests a modern Lunar ephemeris has an error 0.00046''/year, so the 5 year error is roughly 2 milliarcseconds. I suspect atmospheric distortion is far, far bigger than this.  
> **username_4**: Predicting the Moon is (relatively) easy. Predicting the clouds isn't so easy.  
> **username_2**: @username_1 The question actually asks about the "location of the Moon".  It does not ask us to resolve the sighting issue you refer to, which does indeed involve essentially random effects (on a 5 year time period) like weather.  So just the location - it's a duplicate IMO.  
> **username_1**: Hi username_0 this is a really interesting question, as it touches on several topics in astronomy at the same time. I can answer something specific about the calculation of the geometrical position of the moon in the sky from a given spot on Earth (including the motion of the Earth and Moon and Sun, atmospheric refraction, etc.), but I'm wondering if that's all you need, or if you want to include how visible the crescent moon would be to the human as well.  
> **username_1**: @username_2 I'm currently writing an answer that addresses this question specifically. This question is about the visible position of the Moon in the sky, not only the position of the Moon in space. These are different and if I am lucky enough to post my answer before the question gets closed, then you'll see how these are different.  
> **username_0**: @username_1 from a religious stand point there is a difference in school of thoughts. Most people have traditionally followed the approach that the moon has to be visible to the human eye (or at least visible from the surface of the earth using a telescope). The other school of thought says that it just needs to exist. I think it will be more interesting if the human element is involved.  
> **username_1**: @username_0 have a look at what I've written so far. It's late here now so I'll stop by in the morning to check comments.  
> **username_5**: Nothing is possible to 100% accuracy, but if 99.9999% accuracy is enough, 5 years won't be a problem.  
> **username_1**: Apparently the community thinks that these answer here addresses the question better than the proposed duplicate, **I'm proposing to re-open** so as not to send future readers to those answers and away from these.  
> **username_6**: @username_1 - I don't actually see any evidence for that. If you are basing it on comparing votes here and on the older question, that definitely isn't relevant as the site has grown a lot. The answers on the older post are accurate, and while yours has a core that answers the question, the rest (the "fluff" actually makes it harder to read your post. This is definitely one of those times when adding pictures really detracts from the answer.  
> **username_1**: @username_6 images are all at the bottom of the answer, after the end of the text. I can't see how that makes it harder to read, or how it relates to the question being on hold.  
> **username_6**: Two things. Saying the community thinks your answer here better addresses the question is just not honest, and is a direct conflict of interest. Personally, I would vote for the older one as it answers the question perfectly and doesn't have the unhelpful pictures.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2019-05-07. Score: 25

**Note:** this answer was posted under duress; though I mentioned in a comment under the question that I was composing an answer, several users have decided to close the question out from under me. Therefore I've put this together a little hastily. It's late here and I'll come back in the morning to address any questions or requests for clarification, and probably add some more information.

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> Is it scientifically possible to predict (simulate...) in future with 100% accuracy as to the location of the moon?

Nothing is 100% accurate or possible. But it is highly likely that the apparent position of the Moon from a given geographic position on Earth can be predicted to very high precision over the next five years. Each aspect:

1. Geometry
2. Geography
3. Time
4. Meteorology/atmospherics

is predictable based on well-understood scientific principles which have been tested against a substantial extent of data.

Without a specific specification in the question, I can present these aspects of the problem and give an example of the precision to which they can be predicted.

---

## Geometry

We have records of bits and pieces of the Moon's motion for several thousand years from accounts of eclipses, and several hundred years with much more precision with respect to time and to other stars from records of lunar occultations of stars as seen through telescopes.

Combine this with laser ranging measurements of the moon which fit theoretical predictions to **centimeter accuracy over a period longer than forty years**, and it seems that the relative positions of the Earth and Moon are probably going to continue to be within a few centimeters for the next five years as well.

You can read further about that in
- [Progress in Lunar Laser Ranging Tests of Relativistic Gravity](https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0411113)
- [Lunar laser ranging: the millimeter challenge](http://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/papers/rop-llr.pdf)

Now the position of the Earth relative to the Sun is a different matter. If you want to read about how these calculations are done you can have a look [at this answer](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/23409/12102) to *How to calculate the planets and moons beyond Newtons's gravitational force?* These days the movements of the Sun, Earth, planets, and other bodies with enough mass to affect their motions substantially are know extremely well.

Let's look at one of the major [JPL Development Ephemerides](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Propulsion_Laboratory_Development_Ephemeris). In the abstract of [The Planetary and Lunar Ephemerides
DE430 and DE431](https://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/naif/generic_kernels/spk/planets/de430_and_de431.pdf) there are a few sentences that give us some idea of what's discussed in this pretty in-depth report:

> The planetary and lunar ephemerides DE430 and DE431 are generated by fitting
> numerically integrated orbits of the Moon and planets to observations. **The present-day
> lunar orbit is known to submeter** accuracy through fitting lunar laser ranging data with
> an updated lunar gravity field from the Gravity Recovery and Interior Laboratory (GRAIL)
> mission. **The orbits of the inner planets are known to subkilometer accuracy** through fitting radio tracking measurements of spacecraft in orbit about them.

## Geography

The visibility of a crescent moon from a given spot on Earth needs more than the positions of the center of masses of the Moon, Earth, and Sun. We need the position of the viewer. These days we can get GPS coordinates of the site, but those coordinates are fixed to the Earth, and the Earth rotates around its axis and its axis nutates and wobbles.

That motion is pretty small on the scale of five years, you can see the image below showing the motion of the Tropic of Cancer each year.

## Time

The rotational speed of the Earth increases and decreases in a somewhat unsteady way, and this is why the placement of leap seconds looks a bit uneven. However, the fact that we are talking about one second makes it clear that the uncertainty over five years is likely to be a handful of seconds.

Still, **this may be the single biggest risk in the accuracy of the prediction five years into the future!**

There could be a major seismic event, magma movement, or big chunk of ice that falls into the ocean. Specific details about how these can affect the rotational speed of the Earth (and the exact direction of its axes) need to be addressed in detail in separate questions, but this could be an upset.

Of course we would know about it, and a request for an updated five year report could be issued. The time error wouldn't suddenly jump to some big number, it would slowly start accumulating, and there would be time to recalculate before it became significant.

## Atmospherics and Meteorology

This is the hardest one. [Refraction from the atmosphere](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction) can move the apparent position of objects significantly, up to a fraction of a degree. But the amount of refraction is fairly well predictable. It depends a little bit on the Weather because index of refraction's deviation from 1.0 depends almost linearly on the density of the air, and slightly on the humidity. But this is a very small correction on top of a small correction.

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[Lunar Libration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration) image from [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lunar_libration_with_phase2.gif)

![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/lLTA5.gif)

Lunar Laser Ranging images [from here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment)

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/j7j38.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/j7j38.png)
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/DGsBA.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/DGsBA.jpg)

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/iqHwP.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/iqHwP.jpg) [Source](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tr%C3%B3pico_de_C%C3%A1ncer_en_M%C3%A9xico_-_Carretera_83_(V%C3%ADa_Corta)_Zaragoza-Victoria,_Km_27%2B800.jpg)

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/Mrpe3.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/Mrpe3.png)
[Source](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BennettAtmRefractVsAlt.png)

> **Comments:**
> **username_7**: Fantastic and in-depth answer, even if (at time of writing) it's reportedly incomplete.  

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### Answer by username_8 on 2019-05-08. Score: 1

The location is fairly easily possible and even ancient civilizations had managed to do such predictions. In fact for a large part of history large parts of clergy we're committed to just keeping track of time, predicting moon phases, winter/summer solstices and such. Some could even predict eclipses.

However, if it's interpreted that a specific person has to see it and that determines the time something starts, then that is impossible - and it becomes a problem of determining authority rather than anything else. A member of clergy is unlikely to give up such a position of authority as to be the one who has to spot the crescent. However you can still use a calendar to check about what time the specific person should be able to spot it, barring a storm or whatever. The persons importance is greatly diminished though if you don't need him to do the observation anymore and is unlikely to agree to that the sun, earth and moon go on a predictable path.


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