<p>Satellites already cause problems for telescopes, but not by obstructing their view. Actually the light reflected from satellites is a bigger problem, and for observations of radio waves, their communications are the really big problem.</p>
<p>In terms of reflected light, you might remember the controversy around the &quot;<a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/22/17144208/rocket-lab-humanity-star-satellite-new-zealand-astronomy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Humanity Star</a>&quot; being too bright. The same applies to starlink, which this image shows really well:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.noirlab.edu/public/images/iotw1946a/" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/6S6g8.jpg" alt="Starlink Satellites Imaged from CTIO" /></a></p>
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<p>Credit: CTIO/NOIRLab/NSF/AURA/DECam DELVE Survey</p>
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<p>Radio wave observations are important because they allow astronomers to look the furthest back in time towards the big bang, when everything was strongly red-shifted. They are also used for measuring pulsars, and for SETI. Satellites only use discrete frequencies for communications (broadened by doppler shifting) but there are already so many communications, and signal strength is so much stronger than what we receive from distant galaxies that removing the noise is a topic of active research. Due to the long wavelengths, radio wave antennae have to be quite large, so these telescopes are usually earth based - there are not many radio wave telescopes &quot;above&quot; LEO orbit which would give us an untainted view.</p>
<p>While researching this, I read that variations in the brightness of a star are important for detecting exoplanets, and satellites blocking that light momentarily could disturb the measurement. I would have expected that the timescales for the satellite and the planet to be blocking the light would be different enough that you could filter that out - but it would be an additional noise source for what is already a very sensitive measurement.</p>

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Your last paragraph appears to be truncated.
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<p>Satellites, even in geostationary orbits, move with respect to the background stars and make &quot;trails&quot; on telescopic images that are tracked at the sidereal rate.</p>
<p>Removal of these can be as straightforward as taking the median of a set of exposures.</p>
<p>What I mean by this, is that in a sequence of exposures, the satellite trail will pollute different pixels in each exposure. Therefore if you take a sequence of exposures, tracked to keep stellar positions identical, then take the pixel-by-pixel median of the sequence of frames, the presence of the satellite will be removed. i.e. Each x,y pixel in your stacked image is formed by taking the median of the values of that pixel (scaled by the exposure time if necessary) in each image. It is essentially the same procedure by which cosmic ray strikes are removed.</p>

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<p>As we send up more and more satellites, it stands to reason that our view of the universe becomes more and more obscured. I would certainly expect for example that a large telescope such as the LSST would be able to see the International Space Station, and since the ISS is not transparent, it wouldn't be able to observe the patch of the sky beyond it.</p>
<p>How do current telescopes currently deal with satellites obstructing their view? Do they simply not observe where the satellite is? If we send up more and more satellites, does it mean that telescopes will have to focus on narrower and narrower fields of view to avoid the swarm?</p>

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Does this answer your question? [How Will Starlink Affect Observational Astronomy?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/34613/how-will-starlink-affect-observational-astronomy)
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@usernumber not really, since a key part of this question is how current telescopes deal with satellites obstructing their view, which is not covered in the linked question.
Allure
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Aren't satellites a pretty small issue compared to, say, birds? There are more birds than satellites, and birds are bigger in terms of angular size.
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@tobyink there are ways to keep birds away from airfields (https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/11760/what-are-the-ways-to-keep-the-birds-away-from-airfields) so presumably there are also ways to keep them away from telescopes.
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@Allure but as far as I know there are no special measures taken. Birds are not common in the Atacama. However, they are in La Palma. On the other hand I know aircraft are kept clear of both sites.
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@tobyink Birds are not luminous. Their only effect would be to *very* briefly obscure a piece of the field of view. The effect would be completely negligible.
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How do satellites impede current telescopes?
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# How do satellites impede current telescopes?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-08-31)

As we send up more and more satellites, it stands to reason that our view of the universe becomes more and more obscured. I would certainly expect for example that a large telescope such as the LSST would be able to see the International Space Station, and since the ISS is not transparent, it wouldn't be able to observe the patch of the sky beyond it.

How do current telescopes currently deal with satellites obstructing their view? Do they simply not observe where the satellite is? If we send up more and more satellites, does it mean that telescopes will have to focus on narrower and narrower fields of view to avoid the swarm?

**Tags:** observational-astronomy, telescope, artificial-satellite

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Does this answer your question? [How Will Starlink Affect Observational Astronomy?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/34613/how-will-starlink-affect-observational-astronomy)  
> **username_0**: @username_1 not really, since a key part of this question is how current telescopes deal with satellites obstructing their view, which is not covered in the linked question.  
> **username_2**: Aren't satellites a pretty small issue compared to, say, birds? There are more birds than satellites, and birds are bigger in terms of angular size.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 there are ways to keep birds away from airfields (https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/11760/what-are-the-ways-to-keep-the-birds-away-from-airfields) so presumably there are also ways to keep them away from telescopes.  
> **username_3**: @username_0 but as far as I know there are no special measures taken. Birds are not common in the Atacama. However, they are in La Palma. On the other hand I know aircraft are kept clear of both sites.  
> **username_3**: @username_2 Birds are not luminous. Their only effect would be to *very* briefly obscure a piece of the field of view. The effect would be completely negligible.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2020-08-31. Score: 16 | Accepted answer

Satellites, even in geostationary orbits, move with respect to the background stars and make "trails" on telescopic images that are tracked at the sidereal rate.

Removal of these can be as straightforward as taking the median of a set of exposures.

What I mean by this, is that in a sequence of exposures, the satellite trail will pollute different pixels in each exposure. Therefore if you take a sequence of exposures, tracked to keep stellar positions identical, then take the pixel-by-pixel median of the sequence of frames, the presence of the satellite will be removed. i.e. Each x,y pixel in your stacked image is formed by taking the median of the values of that pixel (scaled by the exposure time if necessary) in each image. It is essentially the same procedure by which cosmic ray strikes are removed.

> **Comments:**
> **username_6**: Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/112565/discussion-on-answer-by-rob-jeffries-how-do-satellites-impede-current-telescopes).  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2020-08-31. Score: 4

Satellites already cause problems for telescopes, but not by obstructing their view. Actually the light reflected from satellites is a bigger problem, and for observations of radio waves, their communications are the really big problem.

In terms of reflected light, you might remember the controversy around the "[Humanity Star](https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/22/17144208/rocket-lab-humanity-star-satellite-new-zealand-astronomy)" being too bright. The same applies to starlink, which this image shows really well:

[![Starlink Satellites Imaged from CTIO](https://i.sstatic.net/6S6g8.jpg)](https://www.noirlab.edu/public/images/iotw1946a/)

> Credit: CTIO/NOIRLab/NSF/AURA/DECam DELVE Survey

Radio wave observations are important because they allow astronomers to look the furthest back in time towards the big bang, when everything was strongly red-shifted. They are also used for measuring pulsars, and for SETI. Satellites only use discrete frequencies for communications (broadened by doppler shifting) but there are already so many communications, and signal strength is so much stronger than what we receive from distant galaxies that removing the noise is a topic of active research. Due to the long wavelengths, radio wave antennae have to be quite large, so these telescopes are usually earth based - there are not many radio wave telescopes "above" LEO orbit which would give us an untainted view.

While researching this, I read that variations in the brightness of a star are important for detecting exoplanets, and satellites blocking that light momentarily could disturb the measurement. I would have expected that the timescales for the satellite and the planet to be blocking the light would be different enough that you could filter that out - but it would be an additional noise source for what is already a very sensitive measurement.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: Your last paragraph appears to be truncated.  

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