<p>The laser guide stars are indeed outside the science field of view. In the setup for the Wide Field Mode of the MUSE instrument, there is a mirror with a large hole in the middle: the light for the instrument goes through the hole, while the light from the adjacent part of the sky, where the laser guide stars appear (and also the natural star that's used as the &quot;tip-tilt&quot; reference in the Wide Field Mode) is reflected off to the side to the adaptive-optics system (&quot;GALACSI&quot;).</p>
<p>Here's a figure (from the <a href="https://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/paranal/instruments/muse/inst.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">MUSE Instrument Description web page</a>) showing the possible positions of laser-guide stars (LGS), and the tip-tilt star (TTS) for MUSE's Wide Field Mode (the TTS can be any reasonably bright star within the GALACSI field; it doesn't have to be in the upper right). The green square is the science field of view; the gray annulus is the part that gets reflected to the adaptive-optics system:</p>
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<p>The alternate Narrow Field Mode allows for proper AO correction down to (in principle) the diffraction limit of the telescope. In this case, all the light goes through the central aperture, and then a special dichroic mirror reflects the laser wavelengths to part of GALACSI, while another dichroic reflects all the near-infrared light to a different part of GALACSI, where the TTS star's light (here called the on-axis guide star = OGS) is analyzed; the parts of the optical light not reflected by the sodium-wavelengths dichroic go to the actual science instrument.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/uNEsT.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/uNEsT.jpg" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
<p>(See <a href="https://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/develop/ao/sys/galacsi.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a> for more details.)</p>
<p>But, yes, scattered light from the laser guide stars is a concern. I believe that the Narrow Field Mode deals with thus using the aforementioned sodium-wavelength dichroic; for the Wide Field Mode, there is a narrow-band filter in the science instrument to block light from the laser. Both approaches <em>do</em> exclude light from astronomical sources with the same wavelengths, so you have to plan your observing accordingly. (E.g., if you really want to observe those wavelengths, then you can't use the laser guide stars.)</p>
<p>The figure below (from the MUSE user manual) shows the instrument throughput in the Wide Field Mode as a function of wavelength. The blue and red curves show sub-modes using the laser guide stars (&quot;AO&quot; = adaptive optics), and the fact that they go to zero for wavelengths of <span class="math-container">$\sim 5700-6000$</span> Angstroms is due to the filter being used for those modes.</p>
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Great answer.  Given that the targeting field of views (FOV) are different for wavefront sensing and the images, will this difference greatly degrades the AO performance?  I guess probably not, maybe the measured peripheral wavefronts are used for computing the central-FOV wavefronts for AO correction.
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@WDC Yes, the AO performance in the Narrow Field Mode (note that I've updated my answer to talk about that as well) is nearly ideal, while the Wide Field Mode is only a modest improvement over the uncorrected, natural seeing.
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<p>From amateur searching of the info, I can find no mention of the configuration of the lasers when they work. From <a href="https://cdn.eso.org/images/screen/eso1613d.jpg" rel="noreferrer">these</a> <a href="https://cdn.eso.org/images/screen/eso1613a.jpg" rel="noreferrer">pictures</a>, I imagine that those 4 lasers are just outside of the 4 corners of the telescope field of view. Since the lasers leave such strong reflections on the equipment, how do they keep those lights from messing with the result images? Also I think the artificial stars may somehow affect the final picture too, even if they're not in the FoV, simply because they're so bright.</p>
<p>Maybe the scientists do it by simply filtering out the wavelength of the laser in their results? But that way they won't be able to see any sodium lights in the faraway stars, either.</p>

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How do they keep lights from guided lasers in adaptive optics from interfering with the image?
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# How do they keep lights from guided lasers in adaptive optics from interfering with the image?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-02-11)

From amateur searching of the info, I can find no mention of the configuration of the lasers when they work. From [these](https://cdn.eso.org/images/screen/eso1613d.jpg) [pictures](https://cdn.eso.org/images/screen/eso1613a.jpg), I imagine that those 4 lasers are just outside of the 4 corners of the telescope field of view. Since the lasers leave such strong reflections on the equipment, how do they keep those lights from messing with the result images? Also I think the artificial stars may somehow affect the final picture too, even if they're not in the FoV, simply because they're so bright.

Maybe the scientists do it by simply filtering out the wavelength of the laser in their results? But that way they won't be able to see any sodium lights in the faraway stars, either.

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### Answer by username_1 on 2021-02-11. Score: 6 | Accepted answer

The laser guide stars are indeed outside the science field of view. In the setup for the Wide Field Mode of the MUSE instrument, there is a mirror with a large hole in the middle: the light for the instrument goes through the hole, while the light from the adjacent part of the sky, where the laser guide stars appear (and also the natural star that's used as the "tip-tilt" reference in the Wide Field Mode) is reflected off to the side to the adaptive-optics system ("GALACSI").

Here's a figure (from the [MUSE Instrument Description web page](https://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/paranal/instruments/muse/inst.html)) showing the possible positions of laser-guide stars (LGS), and the tip-tilt star (TTS) for MUSE's Wide Field Mode (the TTS can be any reasonably bright star within the GALACSI field; it doesn't have to be in the upper right). The green square is the science field of view; the gray annulus is the part that gets reflected to the adaptive-optics system:

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/X4fDV.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/X4fDV.jpg)

The alternate Narrow Field Mode allows for proper AO correction down to (in principle) the diffraction limit of the telescope. In this case, all the light goes through the central aperture, and then a special dichroic mirror reflects the laser wavelengths to part of GALACSI, while another dichroic reflects all the near-infrared light to a different part of GALACSI, where the TTS star's light (here called the on-axis guide star = OGS) is analyzed; the parts of the optical light not reflected by the sodium-wavelengths dichroic go to the actual science instrument.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/uNEsT.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/uNEsT.jpg)

(See [here](https://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/develop/ao/sys/galacsi.html) for more details.)

But, yes, scattered light from the laser guide stars is a concern. I believe that the Narrow Field Mode deals with thus using the aforementioned sodium-wavelength dichroic; for the Wide Field Mode, there is a narrow-band filter in the science instrument to block light from the laser. Both approaches *do* exclude light from astronomical sources with the same wavelengths, so you have to plan your observing accordingly. (E.g., if you really want to observe those wavelengths, then you can't use the laser guide stars.)

The figure below (from the MUSE user manual) shows the instrument throughput in the Wide Field Mode as a function of wavelength. The blue and red curves show sub-modes using the laser guide stars ("AO" = adaptive optics), and the fact that they go to zero for wavelengths of $\sim 5700-6000$ Angstroms is due to the filter being used for those modes.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/HP9q4.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/HP9q4.png)

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: Great answer.  Given that the targeting field of views (FOV) are different for wavefront sensing and the images, will this difference greatly degrades the AO performance?  I guess probably not, maybe the measured peripheral wavefronts are used for computing the central-FOV wavefronts for AO correction.  
> **username_1**: @username_2 Yes, the AO performance in the Narrow Field Mode (note that I've updated my answer to talk about that as well) is nearly ideal, while the Wide Field Mode is only a modest improvement over the uncorrected, natural seeing.  

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