<p>There's nothing special happening to determine the velocity: Several pictures are taken, e.g. each Jovian day and the distance some features in the clouds have moved is calculated. For that, image pixels need to be first converted to longitude and latitude - the apparent position of the spot on the visible face of Jupiter varies from image to image and so does the viewing angle.</p>
<p>The rest of the paper deals with how to convert from absolute wind speeds to the value they are interested in: How fast does the storm rotate. There is a global movement of clouds in the area that needs to be subtracted. In addition the size and shape of the storm varies over the years. This means cartesian velocity is not the right measure, but they need to convert to speed of rotation (radians per second). They show two different approaches to combine all data of a measurement into a single number:</p>
<p>First, they fit the best ellipse to the main band of the storm, then calculate the average speed along that ellipse.</p>
<p>Second, they find the center of the storm and search radially in every direction for the fastest clouds.</p>
<p>As to be expected, both methods give different results, but they seem to agree that the storm speeds up.</p>

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<p>Space.com's <a href="https://www.space.com/jupiter-great-red-spot-wind-speeds-increase" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Jupiter's winds of change show increased storm speeds in Great Red Spot</a> and Hubblesite.org's <a href="https://hubblesite.org/contents/news-releases/2021/news-2021-055" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Hubble Shows Winds in Jupiter's Great Red Spot are Speeding Up</a> both link to the recent open access Geophysical Research Letter <a href="https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL093982" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Evolution of the Horizontal Winds in Jupiter's Great Red Spot From One Jovian Year of HST/WFC3 Maps</a> which probably contains the answer to my question or cites works that do.</p>
<p>However, it looks like a pretty complicated analysis of the images that is producing a velocity field, the article is pretty challenging to read.</p>
<p>Is it in any way akin to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_flow" rel="nofollow noreferrer">optical flow</a>?  Is there a simple way to understand the basic idea of how it works?</p>
<p><strong>Question:</strong>  How does the Hubble Space Telescope measure the speed of the wind inside Jupiter's Great Red Spot?</p>
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<p>Figure 2: Great Red Spot velocity field data for the 2020.72 epoch, which is based on data from the OPAL program (Simon et al., 2015). The mean zonal wind field has been subtracted from the 2D velocity fields. (a) Color composite map, with a blue ring indicating the best-fit symmetric ellipse of high-speed winds. (b) Wind speed, after subtraction of the mean zonal wind profile. (c) Velocity vectors (104 vectors drawn from the full set of 5.9 × 106 vectors). (d) Relative vorticity, showing the “hollow” core. (e) Northward velocities along an east-west profile through the center of the ellipse. Individual north-south vector components within ±0.25° of the east-west line are shown in light red, with the mean profile shown in blue. A parameterized fit to the profile is shown in light grey. (f) As panel E, for eastward velocities along a north-south profile through the center.</p>
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the answer seems to be a simple "take two pictures and run some feature detection software to see how things moved in between". The rest is just how to extract a global "speed of the red eye" value to compare across years.
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@asdfex Great, *go for it!* :-)
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How does the Hubble Space Telescope measure the speed of the wind inside Jupiter's Great Red Spot?
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# How does the Hubble Space Telescope measure the speed of the wind inside Jupiter's Great Red Spot?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-09-28)

Space.com's [Jupiter's winds of change show increased storm speeds in Great Red Spot](https://www.space.com/jupiter-great-red-spot-wind-speeds-increase) and Hubblesite.org's [Hubble Shows Winds in Jupiter's Great Red Spot are Speeding Up](https://hubblesite.org/contents/news-releases/2021/news-2021-055) both link to the recent open access Geophysical Research Letter [Evolution of the Horizontal Winds in Jupiter's Great Red Spot From One Jovian Year of HST/WFC3 Maps](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL093982) which probably contains the answer to my question or cites works that do.

However, it looks like a pretty complicated analysis of the images that is producing a velocity field, the article is pretty challenging to read.

Is it in any way akin to [optical flow](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_flow)? Is there a simple way to understand the basic idea of how it works?

**Question:** How does the Hubble Space Telescope measure the speed of the wind inside Jupiter's Great Red Spot?

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[![Figure 2: Great Red Spot velocity field data for the 2020.72 epoch, which is based on data from the OPAL program (Simon et al., 2015). The mean zonal wind field has been subtracted from the 2D velocity fields.](https://i.sstatic.net/0hPEp.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/0hPEp.jpg)

> Figure 2: Great Red Spot velocity field data for the 2020.72 epoch, which is based on data from the OPAL program (Simon et al., 2015). The mean zonal wind field has been subtracted from the 2D velocity fields. (a) Color composite map, with a blue ring indicating the best-fit symmetric ellipse of high-speed winds. (b) Wind speed, after subtraction of the mean zonal wind profile. (c) Velocity vectors (104 vectors drawn from the full set of 5.9 × 106 vectors). (d) Relative vorticity, showing the “hollow” core. (e) Northward velocities along an east-west profile through the center of the ellipse. Individual north-south vector components within ±0.25° of the east-west line are shown in light red, with the mean profile shown in blue. A parameterized fit to the profile is shown in light grey. (f) As panel E, for eastward velocities along a north-south profile through the center.

**Tags:** observational-astronomy, data-analysis, planetary-atmosphere, hubble-telescope, planetary-science

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: the answer seems to be a simple "take two pictures and run some feature detection software to see how things moved in between". The rest is just how to extract a global "speed of the red eye" value to compare across years.  
> **username_0**: @username_1 Great, *go for it!* :-)  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2022-07-17. Score: 3

There's nothing special happening to determine the velocity: Several pictures are taken, e.g. each Jovian day and the distance some features in the clouds have moved is calculated. For that, image pixels need to be first converted to longitude and latitude - the apparent position of the spot on the visible face of Jupiter varies from image to image and so does the viewing angle.

The rest of the paper deals with how to convert from absolute wind speeds to the value they are interested in: How fast does the storm rotate. There is a global movement of clouds in the area that needs to be subtracted. In addition the size and shape of the storm varies over the years. This means cartesian velocity is not the right measure, but they need to convert to speed of rotation (radians per second). They show two different approaches to combine all data of a measurement into a single number:

First, they fit the best ellipse to the main band of the storm, then calculate the average speed along that ellipse.

Second, they find the center of the storm and search radially in every direction for the fastest clouds.

As to be expected, both methods give different results, but they seem to agree that the storm speeds up.


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