<p>Any time you have a large cloud, different parts of it will randomly be moving in different directions. If you pick any line through the middle to consider, slightly more particles might be moving (say) clockwise than counterclockwise around that line, just by chance. And there has to be some axis where that random difference is the largest.</p>
<p>Over time, the gas and dust may start to contract under its own gravity. Like a spinning skater pulling in their arms, the rotation will speed up, and there will be collisions so that over time there will be a consistent rotation in a certain direction, just arising from the original random motions.</p>
<p>Instead of <em>producing</em> the gravity, it kind of does the opposite thing. The objects really want to move in straight lines, and gravity is the only thing that keeps pulling their paths around the middle. If there were no motion, the objects would just fall straight down towards the middle, so in that sense, the rotation is acting against the gravity. Explanations of the formation of the solar system mention the rotation of the initial cloud because it was the precursor to the revolution of the planets about the sun, along with the rotations of the planets and of the sun itself. It is not because the rotation somehow creates the gravity.</p>
<p>When you spin an object, things inside it swing out towards the edge. That's really just their momentum carrying them in a straight line until (say) the wall of the can gets in the way. But if you're in a spinning room and the wall is constantly keeping you from flying off in a straight line, it kind of feels like gravity is pushing you against the wall. But it's not gravity, just the wall pushing inward on you and steering you in a circle. The inward force of the wall is called centripetal, and the outward force that you perceive is technically not a true force, but it is a meaningful concept called centrifugal force. But, again, it is a very different thing from gravity.</p>

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Mark Foskey
<p>All my life I was taught in school that we have gravity because the earth spins.  Now I know that is not true.  Online academics were baffled why anyone thought so. I can only say that's what they said in school.</p>
<p>But if gravity is more mass and everything in the universe has some gravitational &quot;pull&quot;, then why do astronomers always use spinning and whirling dust and gas as a way to explain stellar evolution?  They make it sound like the spinning around created the gravity to form the mass and the bigger it got the more it spun and made more gravity.</p>

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Spinning a spaceship generates centrifugal force which produces "gravity" for objects inside although it's just centrifugal force. Sorry about the confusion. Also, check this link: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/39893/what-makes-protoplanetary-disks-start-rotating-initial-energy-needed-to-rotate
WarpPrime
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2020-12-04T10:51:38.350Z
Never heard before that rotation generale gravity I doubt you got that from any school. Except for artificial kind of like in centrifuges, as you mentioned it the last sentences. In short, matter collapsing under gravitational attraction combined with density fluctuations and conservation of momentum causes dust and gas to swirl and rotate.
Alchimista
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@Alchimista I was there.  They taught it.
johnny
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Why was it downvoted?
johnny
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"why do astronomer's always use spinning and whirling dust and gas as a way to explain stellar evolution?": what "astronomers" do such a thing? You're asking us why some unidentified third party gives a wildly incorrect explanation. Either they don't know what they're talking about, or you misunderstood them.
Christopher James Huff
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2020-12-05T00:40:52.927Z
"always seeing spinning spaceships and artificial gravity": where are you seeing these? No such spacecraft have ever been built. There is some concept art of spacecraft using centrifuges to imitate gravity, and there are fictional depictions, some of which have gotten the physics involved completely wrong.
Christopher James Huff
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2020-12-05T08:15:22.660Z
My mother (born 1940) also learned in school that “gravity exists because the Earth spins,” or alternatively that “if the Earth were to stop spinning, we’d all fly off of it.” I’m surprised they still teach that in schools, though—but I can’t presume of @johnny’s age…
Pierre Paquette
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2020-12-05T08:48:24.507Z
@PierrePaquette most likely it was "if gravity stops we'll fly because of earth spinning". The point I was making it is not that I don't believe OP or you, but not to confuse "school" with school programme or individual teacher. Of course everithing is possibile. Probably they still teach the "other" bulge of tide as due to rotation, which can be true but not in the way they said. But the example brought in by OP and you really sound unbelievable :)
Alchimista
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2020-12-05T19:31:27.753Z
@Alchimista I perfectly agree that it does sound unbelievable, but do bear in mind that education was not always provided by people who were at the cutting edge of scientific knowledge… ;-)
Pierre Paquette
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2020-12-08T14:18:59.873Z
In the country, rural USA, that is what they taught us, unbelievable to you or not.
johnny
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If rotation has nothing to do with gravity, why do astronomers always link swirling dust and gas to stellar evolution?
johnny
# If rotation has nothing to do with gravity, why do astronomers always link swirling dust and gas to stellar evolution?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-12-03)

All my life I was taught in school that we have gravity because the earth spins. Now I know that is not true. Online academics were baffled why anyone thought so. I can only say that's what they said in school.

But if gravity is more mass and everything in the universe has some gravitational "pull", then why do astronomers always use spinning and whirling dust and gas as a way to explain stellar evolution? They make it sound like the spinning around created the gravity to form the mass and the bigger it got the more it spun and made more gravity.

**Tags:** cosmology, stellar-evolution

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Spinning a spaceship generates centrifugal force which produces "gravity" for objects inside although it's just centrifugal force. Sorry about the confusion. Also, check this link: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/39893/what-makes-protoplanetary-disks-start-rotating-initial-energy-needed-to-rotate  
> **username_2**: Never heard before that rotation generale gravity I doubt you got that from any school. Except for artificial kind of like in centrifuges, as you mentioned it the last sentences. In short, matter collapsing under gravitational attraction combined with density fluctuations and conservation of momentum causes dust and gas to swirl and rotate.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 I was there.  They taught it.  
> **username_0**: Why was it downvoted?  
> **username_3**: "why do astronomer's always use spinning and whirling dust and gas as a way to explain stellar evolution?": what "astronomers" do such a thing? You're asking us why some unidentified third party gives a wildly incorrect explanation. Either they don't know what they're talking about, or you misunderstood them.  
> **username_3**: "always seeing spinning spaceships and artificial gravity": where are you seeing these? No such spacecraft have ever been built. There is some concept art of spacecraft using centrifuges to imitate gravity, and there are fictional depictions, some of which have gotten the physics involved completely wrong.  
> **username_4**: My mother (born 1940) also learned in school that “gravity exists because the Earth spins,” or alternatively that “if the Earth were to stop spinning, we’d all fly off of it.” I’m surprised they still teach that in schools, though—but I can’t presume of @username_0’s age…  
> **username_2**: @username_4 most likely it was "if gravity stops we'll fly because of earth spinning". The point I was making it is not that I don't believe OP or you, but not to confuse "school" with school programme or individual teacher. Of course everithing is possibile. Probably they still teach the "other" bulge of tide as due to rotation, which can be true but not in the way they said. But the example brought in by OP and you really sound unbelievable :)  
> **username_4**: @username_2 I perfectly agree that it does sound unbelievable, but do bear in mind that education was not always provided by people who were at the cutting edge of scientific knowledge… ;-)  
> **username_0**: In the country, rural USA, that is what they taught us, unbelievable to you or not.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_5 on 2020-12-05. Score: 5 | Accepted answer

Any time you have a large cloud, different parts of it will randomly be moving in different directions. If you pick any line through the middle to consider, slightly more particles might be moving (say) clockwise than counterclockwise around that line, just by chance. And there has to be some axis where that random difference is the largest.

Over time, the gas and dust may start to contract under its own gravity. Like a spinning skater pulling in their arms, the rotation will speed up, and there will be collisions so that over time there will be a consistent rotation in a certain direction, just arising from the original random motions.

Instead of *producing* the gravity, it kind of does the opposite thing. The objects really want to move in straight lines, and gravity is the only thing that keeps pulling their paths around the middle. If there were no motion, the objects would just fall straight down towards the middle, so in that sense, the rotation is acting against the gravity. Explanations of the formation of the solar system mention the rotation of the initial cloud because it was the precursor to the revolution of the planets about the sun, along with the rotations of the planets and of the sun itself. It is not because the rotation somehow creates the gravity.

When you spin an object, things inside it swing out towards the edge. That's really just their momentum carrying them in a straight line until (say) the wall of the can gets in the way. But if you're in a spinning room and the wall is constantly keeping you from flying off in a straight line, it kind of feels like gravity is pushing you against the wall. But it's not gravity, just the wall pushing inward on you and steering you in a circle. The inward force of the wall is called centripetal, and the outward force that you perceive is technically not a true force, but it is a meaningful concept called centrifugal force. But, again, it is a very different thing from gravity.


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