<p>Since diagnoses merely represent what a doctor is thinking, how can a mental patient know the difference between de facto "reality" and what decisions a doctor is planning?</p>

<p>We know planning is not real but a mental patient can't say that a decision from a doctor is not reality, even though a decision from a doctor is not anything that has a physical existence.</p>

<p>So if the doctor decides a 5150 or likewise, I'm not asking about the legal processes but how you could convince that a diagnosis is not just a model. </p>

<p>What is a mutual indicator for every sz or psychosis? IF there is no common indicator, how can it be a diagnosis or a condition? What is absolutely impossible with e.g. schizophrenia that is possible with no schizophrenia?</p>

<p>Since paranoid schizophrenia could be just a person who is worried, which doesn't exclude anything does it. </p>

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2013-03-27T00:06:04.060Z
Perhaps this is tad to philosophical, but could you give an example where we *can* separate a human construct from an 'actual state'?
zergylord
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2013-03-28T03:53:34.853Z
I'm not sure I get this at all.  Can you perhaps make it a bit more scientific?  As it stands it's a bit frantic.
Chuck Sherrington
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2013-03-31T19:34:33.290Z
Basically if you don't have a test and you don't have a simulation etc, how is it a scientific result
Niklas Rosencrantz
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How to tell a diagnosis from an actual state?
Niklas Rosencrantz
# How to tell a diagnosis from an actual state?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2013-03-21)

Since diagnoses merely represent what a doctor is thinking, how can a mental patient know the difference between de facto "reality" and what decisions a doctor is planning?

We know planning is not real but a mental patient can't say that a decision from a doctor is not reality, even though a decision from a doctor is not anything that has a physical existence.

So if the doctor decides a 5150 or likewise, I'm not asking about the legal processes but how you could convince that a diagnosis is not just a model.

What is a mutual indicator for every sz or psychosis? IF there is no common indicator, how can it be a diagnosis or a condition? What is absolutely impossible with e.g. schizophrenia that is possible with no schizophrenia?

Since paranoid schizophrenia could be just a person who is worried, which doesn't exclude anything does it.

**Tags:** abnormal-psychology, cognitive-modeling, psychiatry, schizophrenia, psychosis

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Perhaps this is tad to philosophical, but could you give an example where we *can* separate a human construct from an 'actual state'?  
> **username_2**: I'm not sure I get this at all.  Can you perhaps make it a bit more scientific?  As it stands it's a bit frantic.  
> **username_0**: Basically if you don't have a test and you don't have a simulation etc, how is it a scientific result  

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