<p>The following answer is based on my own experience learning music combined with general principles of cognitive psychology related to skill acquisition.</p>

<p>I think that learning music would help a person recall a melody, a beat, and music in general. Formal training would be particularly helpful, but informal training would also often have a similar result.</p>

<p>In particular, learning music teaches you how music is structured. This training teaches you a whole range of skills. You learn to isolate instruments. You learn about the structure of songs (e.g., bars, beats, sections, repetition). You learn about melody (e.g., scales, intervals, chords, progressions, etc.). You learn about rhythm. 
There is a theoretical aspect to this knowledge whereby you conceptually understand the ideas. However, there is also a large procedural component whereby you train your ear to identify different sequences, and you also learn to produce such sequences with a suitable instrument.</p>

<p>Learning to sing can be particularly helpful in training your ability to reproduce melody without the song present. Singing trains you to be able to reproduce intervals, scales, and so on without an external source.</p>

<p>All this declarative and procedural knowledge of music simplifies and enables the mental recall of music. For example, instead of seeing a pop-song as a 3 minute stream of sound, You start to see the simplicity of for example, 3 chords, and 2 major melodic elements. You see the similarities with other songs in terms of the chord progressions, scales, and rhythm. It's similar to the way that language becomes simpler once you appreciate the basic principles of vocabulary and grammar.</p>

<p>Beyond musical skill, actual repetition and spending time seriously thinking about the song should also help in the recall a that specific song.</p>

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I studied piano for 7 years and still have an inability to remember a song even though i know it well. There needs to be some research done on this
L. Cid
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Yes, this answer is probably helpful for people who don't actually have whatever this deficit is, but it's frustrating advice for people who do. I took weekly voice lessons for a year before giving up because, while I was learning vocal technique fine, I still couldn't *sing* any song I'd "learned" unless I was singing along with someone or e.g. my instructor was playing my notes on my piano (not the correct piano accompaniment of the song). I've tried various apps and programs for learning music, and I believe I *could* learn, but none start at a basic enough level to be useful.
Adair
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Jeromy Anglim
<p><strong>Background</strong>:
I have never been able to recall melodies to songs. I can play a song over and over again but the moment it stops, I cannot remember what it sounds like. I am referring to the music/beat/melody and not the lyrics. Even when I memorize the lyrics and try to sing a song out loud or even in my head, I simply cannot recall the music.</p>

<p>I like Adele but as I type this, I have no idea what her songs sound like. If I play one of her songs, I will recognize it. So it is not as if I have lost all memory of the song.</p>

<p>Over the years I have come up with certain tricks to remember some very rudimentary melodies. I know what Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, the happy birthday song, Jingle Bells sound like but it took work. For Jingle Bells, I would knock on a table as it played. And I was able to get the rhythm. The lyrics to Twinkle Twinkle and the birthday song flow like a poem and so the melody strives from that  (at least that's how it seems to me).</p>

<p>Even though I have no idea what my favorite songs sound like, I do know what emotions they evoke. When songs move me, it is as if something flows in me. I have heard stories from my mom about how I used to close my eyes and sway when listening to music. I learned not to do that in public after the teasing at school :)</p>

<p>I have tried to research this on my own and have come up with nothing. Any insight is greatly appreciated. </p>

<h3>Question</h3>

<p>What causes an inability (or difficulty) to recall a melody, music, or beat?</p>

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You have a very interesting symptom - I am not sure what causes it but if you live near a university with a department of cognitive psychology, they may well have someone who studies music perception. We are always looking out for participants with unusual phenomenology to characterise -- that is the only way we can learn more about the brain. What you describe does not sound like classic 'amusia', but may be a specific subtype or variant. Anyone in the family have it?
Sanjay Manohar
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No one else in my family shares this oddity. My mom still talks about how baffled she was that I could not learn any children's songs or Christmas carols.
Lv Pepper
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I am a student at a university with a good med school. I will look to see if they do any cognitive research. Thanks
Lv Pepper
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I have quite the opposite syndrom - I can recall even long classical pieces but I cannot visualize a face, not even of a family member. I do recognize faces easily, though.
Suzana
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I just found this while searching for an answer to this very problem. I've been trying to learn to play guitar, however, I can't remember the melody to songs I'm trying to learn. So, to make chord changes according to the lyrics is useless because I can't sing the song. I don't remember the rhythm either. Therefore, I'm struggling trying to learn to play. My husband thinks I'm just being lazy about learning to memorize and sing the songs. I can sing along while the song is playing, sing the lyrics which I do kind of memorize, but once the song is turned off I will loose the melody completely.
Michelle Joseph-Long MJL Fine 
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Perhaps this could be helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusia
Yves Junqueira
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Perhaps relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music-related_memory
Yves Junqueira
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I do not have an answer, but, I experience precisely the same. The moment a piece of music starts I will remember it but I can seldom reproduce it. This has been all my sixty-year life. For decades it puzzled me, somewhat embarrassed me, sometimes infuriated me, especially when I had just listened over and over. I started playing the guitar in my early teens and all I ever wanted to be able to do was reproduce songs/music. There was no formal music education, I happen to fall in love with the instrument, got an old beat up one and that was it for the rest of my life. But, what good was it? I c
Mr Nothing
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What causes an inability to recall a melody, beat, or music?
Lv Pepper
# What causes an inability to recall a melody, beat, or music?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-08-23)

**Background**:
I have never been able to recall melodies to songs. I can play a song over and over again but the moment it stops, I cannot remember what it sounds like. I am referring to the music/beat/melody and not the lyrics. Even when I memorize the lyrics and try to sing a song out loud or even in my head, I simply cannot recall the music.

I like Adele but as I type this, I have no idea what her songs sound like. If I play one of her songs, I will recognize it. So it is not as if I have lost all memory of the song.

Over the years I have come up with certain tricks to remember some very rudimentary melodies. I know what Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, the happy birthday song, Jingle Bells sound like but it took work. For Jingle Bells, I would knock on a table as it played. And I was able to get the rhythm. The lyrics to Twinkle Twinkle and the birthday song flow like a poem and so the melody strives from that (at least that's how it seems to me).

Even though I have no idea what my favorite songs sound like, I do know what emotions they evoke. When songs move me, it is as if something flows in me. I have heard stories from my mom about how I used to close my eyes and sway when listening to music. I learned not to do that in public after the teasing at school :)

I have tried to research this on my own and have come up with nothing. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

### Question

What causes an inability (or difficulty) to recall a melody, music, or beat?

**Tags:** memory, music

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: You have a very interesting symptom - I am not sure what causes it but if you live near a university with a department of cognitive psychology, they may well have someone who studies music perception. We are always looking out for participants with unusual phenomenology to characterise -- that is the only way we can learn more about the brain. What you describe does not sound like classic 'amusia', but may be a specific subtype or variant. Anyone in the family have it?  
> **username_0**: No one else in my family shares this oddity. My mom still talks about how baffled she was that I could not learn any children's songs or Christmas carols.  
> **username_0**: I am a student at a university with a good med school. I will look to see if they do any cognitive research. Thanks  
> **username_2**: I have quite the opposite syndrom - I can recall even long classical pieces but I cannot visualize a face, not even of a family member. I do recognize faces easily, though.  
> **username_3**: I just found this while searching for an answer to this very problem. I've been trying to learn to play guitar, however, I can't remember the melody to songs I'm trying to learn. So, to make chord changes according to the lyrics is useless because I can't sing the song. I don't remember the rhythm either. Therefore, I'm struggling trying to learn to play. My husband thinks I'm just being lazy about learning to memorize and sing the songs. I can sing along while the song is playing, sing the lyrics which I do kind of memorize, but once the song is turned off I will loose the melody completely.  
> **username_4**: Perhaps this could be helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusia  
> **username_4**: Perhaps relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music-related_memory  
> **username_5**: I do not have an answer, but, I experience precisely the same. The moment a piece of music starts I will remember it but I can seldom reproduce it. This has been all my sixty-year life. For decades it puzzled me, somewhat embarrassed me, sometimes infuriated me, especially when I had just listened over and over. I started playing the guitar in my early teens and all I ever wanted to be able to do was reproduce songs/music. There was no formal music education, I happen to fall in love with the instrument, got an old beat up one and that was it for the rest of my life. But, what good was it? I c  

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### Answer by username_6 on 2014-08-24. Score: 4

The following answer is based on my own experience learning music combined with general principles of cognitive psychology related to skill acquisition.

I think that learning music would help a person recall a melody, a beat, and music in general. Formal training would be particularly helpful, but informal training would also often have a similar result.

In particular, learning music teaches you how music is structured. This training teaches you a whole range of skills. You learn to isolate instruments. You learn about the structure of songs (e.g., bars, beats, sections, repetition). You learn about melody (e.g., scales, intervals, chords, progressions, etc.). You learn about rhythm.
There is a theoretical aspect to this knowledge whereby you conceptually understand the ideas. However, there is also a large procedural component whereby you train your ear to identify different sequences, and you also learn to produce such sequences with a suitable instrument.

Learning to sing can be particularly helpful in training your ability to reproduce melody without the song present. Singing trains you to be able to reproduce intervals, scales, and so on without an external source.

All this declarative and procedural knowledge of music simplifies and enables the mental recall of music. For example, instead of seeing a pop-song as a 3 minute stream of sound, You start to see the simplicity of for example, 3 chords, and 2 major melodic elements. You see the similarities with other songs in terms of the chord progressions, scales, and rhythm. It's similar to the way that language becomes simpler once you appreciate the basic principles of vocabulary and grammar.

Beyond musical skill, actual repetition and spending time seriously thinking about the song should also help in the recall a that specific song.

> **Comments:**
> **username_7**: I studied piano for 7 years and still have an inability to remember a song even though i know it well. There needs to be some research done on this  
> **username_8**: Yes, this answer is probably helpful for people who don't actually have whatever this deficit is, but it's frustrating advice for people who do. I took weekly voice lessons for a year before giving up because, while I was learning vocal technique fine, I still couldn't *sing* any song I'd "learned" unless I was singing along with someone or e.g. my instructor was playing my notes on my piano (not the correct piano accompaniment of the song). I've tried various apps and programs for learning music, and I believe I *could* learn, but none start at a basic enough level to be useful.  

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