<p>From what I understand from the Q and comments is the following scenario:</p>
<ul>
<li>The graph is solely for informative purposes only;</li>
<li>The model uses single-epoch data from many scalp electrodes at once;</li>
<li>Single-epoch waveforms are to noisy too be of any value in a graph;</li>
</ul>
<p>Thus, the data in your recordings that were fed in your AI don't lend themselves for visualization, because of the low signal-to-noise ratio. Hence you need averaging of epochs to make sense out of it for us human readers. In this situation I reckon it doesn't matter too much what you show in your sample data; whatever looks best. Assuming you'll bunch up multiple epochs and multiple electrodes from one or a few locations, make sure to:</p>
<ul>
<li>Check whether your ensemble-averaged waveform shows a feasible P300 representative for the P300 values that are being fed into the model;</li>
<li>Mention which electrodes were averaged, with how many epochs and under what conditions so as to make sure the reader understands where the waveforms come from.</li>
</ul>

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AliceD
<p>I have a dataset in which we expect to evoke P300 peaks in an oddball setting. My part of the project considers building a machine learning model to classify whether a participant saw a relevant stimulus (eliciting a P300) or a distractor. The model works, so that's good. However, I wanted to include a figure showcasing the data for one subject.</p>
<ul>
<li>Is it OK to display the evoked response (so averaged across all trials), but also averaged across all electrodes? This would mean I have essentially only two curves on the plot, one for &quot;target&quot; and one for &quot;distractor&quot;.</li>
<li>Another option is to only use the occipital electrodes to make the plot, as we expect the subject to have visual activation.</li>
</ul>

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Welcome. So I understand it is solely for informative purposes? The model apparently used single-epoch data from many scalp electrodes at once? In that case I reckon it doesn't matter too much what you show in your sample data; whatever looks best.
AliceD
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Indeed, it is solely for informative purposes. The model uses all electrodes at once as you said. Thanks!
Smamorti7
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2023-09-22T13:32:41.857Z
In addition to the good suggestions by AliceD, you might also check how well your procedure would perform if you first averaged across channels, the way you're planning to display the data. :)
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Averaging across electrodes in P300 to make a figure
Smamorti7
# Averaging across electrodes in P300 to make a figure

(Asked by: username_0 on 2023-09-20)

I have a dataset in which we expect to evoke P300 peaks in an oddball setting. My part of the project considers building a machine learning model to classify whether a participant saw a relevant stimulus (eliciting a P300) or a distractor. The model works, so that's good. However, I wanted to include a figure showcasing the data for one subject.

* Is it OK to display the evoked response (so averaged across all trials), but also averaged across all electrodes? This would mean I have essentially only two curves on the plot, one for "target" and one for "distractor".
* Another option is to only use the occipital electrodes to make the plot, as we expect the subject to have visual activation.

**Tags:** neuroscience, methodology, neurophysiology, eeg, p300

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Welcome. So I understand it is solely for informative purposes? The model apparently used single-epoch data from many scalp electrodes at once? In that case I reckon it doesn't matter too much what you show in your sample data; whatever looks best.  
> **username_0**: Indeed, it is solely for informative purposes. The model uses all electrodes at once as you said. Thanks!  
> **username_2**: In addition to the good suggestions by username_1, you might also check how well your procedure would perform if you first averaged across channels, the way you're planning to display the data. :)  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2023-09-22. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

From what I understand from the Q and comments is the following scenario:

* The graph is solely for informative purposes only;
* The model uses single-epoch data from many scalp electrodes at once;
* Single-epoch waveforms are to noisy too be of any value in a graph;

Thus, the data in your recordings that were fed in your AI don't lend themselves for visualization, because of the low signal-to-noise ratio. Hence you need averaging of epochs to make sense out of it for us human readers. In this situation I reckon it doesn't matter too much what you show in your sample data; whatever looks best. Assuming you'll bunch up multiple epochs and multiple electrodes from one or a few locations, make sure to:

* Check whether your ensemble-averaged waveform shows a feasible P300 representative for the P300 values that are being fed into the model;
* Mention which electrodes were averaged, with how many epochs and under what conditions so as to make sure the reader understands where the waveforms come from.


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