<p>With looking at the possibility of calmness during stress and trauma, you only have to look at the situation with rape victims and soldiers witnessing severe traumatic events who dissociate (Ellert, et al. 2011)(Waller, et al. 2001) during the event.</p>

<p>Dissociation is a psychological defence mechanism (Cardeña, 1994) which helps the person to get through the situation with as little harm as possible.  Think about it like throwing a switch on conscious awareness.</p>

<p>Whilst some define dissociation as a combination of 2 distinct psychological mechanisms (Brown, 2006), the psychobiological mechanism of dissociation is little understood; but, when someone is dissociated from the event, the detachment of conscious awareness from the event can make the person appear very calm.</p>

<h2>References</h2>

<p>Brown, R. J. (2006). Different types of “dissociation” have different psychological mechanisms. <em>Journal of Trauma &amp; Dissociation</em>, 7(4), 7-28.<br>DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1300/J229v07n04_02" rel="nofollow noreferrer">10.1300/J229v07n04_02</a></p>

<p>Cardeña, E. (1994) The domain of dissociation. In: <em>Dissociation: Clinical and theoretical aspects</em>, Edited by: Lynn, S. J. and Rhue, J. W. 5–31. New York, NY: Guildford Press.</p>

<p>Ellert R. S. Nijenhuis PhD &amp; Onno van der Hart PhD (2011) Dissociation in Trauma: A New Definition and Comparison with Previous Formulations, <em>Journal of Trauma &amp; Dissociation</em>, 12(4), 416-445.<br>DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/15299732.2011.570592" rel="nofollow noreferrer">10.1080/15299732.2011.570592</a></p>

<p>Waller, G., Hamilton, K., Elliott, P., Lewendon, J., Stopa, L., Waters, A., ... &amp; Hargreaves, I. (2001). Somatoform dissociation, psychological dissociation, and specific forms of trauma. <em>Journal of Trauma &amp; Dissociation</em>, 1(4), 81-98.<br>DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1300/J229v01n04_05" rel="nofollow noreferrer">10.1300/J229v01n04_05</a></p>

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Is there an example picture of people in numb and in calm? Based on a relationship with a person with BPD, I can say when a person is numb and when they are calm. The rape victims and soldiers have no choice to enduring it, but the monk lit the fire himself. I think calmness can only happen when one know how to deal with the situation every well.
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@Ooker - The monk set light to himself as a protest because he felt there was no other way to convey such a strong message.  As far as he believed, he had no choice, just like you mention about rape victims and soldiers
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Very good point. I think you should add this to the other answer. As for the picture, I just think out that I can Google Images them. I say that because I think numbness and calmness have different facial expressions.
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<p>In the question <a href="https://psychology.stackexchange.com/q/15730/12937">How do certain individuals, like Quang Duc, develop the ability to remain calm when enduring significant nociceptive pain?</a>, one answer says that it was the high level of cortisol that numbing his pain. But that's numb, not <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calmness" rel="nofollow noreferrer">calm</a>. I don't think calmness can happen during stressful situations.</p>

<p>So to check that answer, can calmness happens during the fight-flight response?</p>

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Can calmness happen during the fight-flight response?
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# Can calmness happen during the fight-flight response?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-05-20)

In the question [How do certain individuals, like Quang Duc, develop the ability to remain calm when enduring significant nociceptive pain?](https://psychology.stackexchange.com/q/15730/12937), one answer says that it was the high level of cortisol that numbing his pain. But that's numb, not [calm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calmness). I don't think calmness can happen during stressful situations.

So to check that answer, can calmness happens during the fight-flight response?

**Tags:** cognitive-psychology, cognitive-neuroscience, emotion, stress, meditation


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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2018-05-21. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

With looking at the possibility of calmness during stress and trauma, you only have to look at the situation with rape victims and soldiers witnessing severe traumatic events who dissociate (Ellert, et al. 2011)(Waller, et al. 2001) during the event.

Dissociation is a psychological defence mechanism (Cardeña, 1994) which helps the person to get through the situation with as little harm as possible. Think about it like throwing a switch on conscious awareness.

Whilst some define dissociation as a combination of 2 distinct psychological mechanisms (Brown, 2006), the psychobiological mechanism of dissociation is little understood; but, when someone is dissociated from the event, the detachment of conscious awareness from the event can make the person appear very calm.

## References

Brown, R. J. (2006). Different types of “dissociation” have different psychological mechanisms. *Journal of Trauma & Dissociation*, 7(4), 7-28.  
DOI: [10.1300/J229v07n04\_02](https://doi.org/10.1300/J229v07n04_02)

Cardeña, E. (1994) The domain of dissociation. In: *Dissociation: Clinical and theoretical aspects*, Edited by: Lynn, S. J. and Rhue, J. W. 5–31. New York, NY: Guildford Press.

Ellert R. S. Nijenhuis PhD & Onno van der Hart PhD (2011) Dissociation in Trauma: A New Definition and Comparison with Previous Formulations, *Journal of Trauma & Dissociation*, 12(4), 416-445.  
DOI: [10.1080/15299732.2011.570592](https://doi.org/10.1080/15299732.2011.570592)

Waller, G., Hamilton, K., Elliott, P., Lewendon, J., Stopa, L., Waters, A., ... & Hargreaves, I. (2001). Somatoform dissociation, psychological dissociation, and specific forms of trauma. *Journal of Trauma & Dissociation*, 1(4), 81-98.  
DOI: [10.1300/J229v01n04\_05](https://doi.org/10.1300/J229v01n04_05)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Is there an example picture of people in numb and in calm? Based on a relationship with a person with BPD, I can say when a person is numb and when they are calm. The rape victims and soldiers have no choice to enduring it, but the monk lit the fire himself. I think calmness can only happen when one know how to deal with the situation every well.  
> **username_1**: @username_0 - The monk set light to himself as a protest because he felt there was no other way to convey such a strong message.  As far as he believed, he had no choice, just like you mention about rape victims and soldiers  
> **username_0**: Very good point. I think you should add this to the other answer. As for the picture, I just think out that I can Google Images them. I say that because I think numbness and calmness have different facial expressions.  

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