<p>As a precursor, even if a stringent sleep schedule is absolutely followed, one still needs to practice other good sleep hygiene habits: avoiding blue light (or using a filter for screens), exercising regularly, eating healthy and attaining an overall equanimous mood (lack of distress). That, among other non-ideal factors, such as sleep disturbances could also result in a poor nights sleep. But the question was stated as if in a 'perfect vacuum.' Non-idealities are overlooked.</p>

<p>That being said, I am going off the aforementioned assumptions about religiously going to bed at 10:45 and waking at 6:30 every day--including weekends. Let's say this person could sleep for nine hours (9:15 TIB), and we can safely assume that an adequate nights sleep is 7:45 TIB. In other words, this person can be high-functioning on 7.5 hours of sleep (five phases).</p>

<p>→ <strong>Is it better to wait until 12:15?</strong> (Either way, 6:30 wakeup for work stays constant.) One deviant day--does it matter? When will the sleep debt be relinquished? Honestly, I didn't find any research remotely about it.</p>

<p>Let's go out on a limb, and say it doesn't matter given the ideal-vacuum conditions. Then how many deviations, say, twice a week--do matter? How many will lead to partial sleep deprivation? Still, the answer is <strong>unknown</strong>. </p>

<hr>

<p>So I emailed sleep researchers from U.W. Madison and Stanford: </p>

<p><code>Going to sleep in the middle of a phase versus "catching" the next phase (with less sleep) for one night</code> (subject)</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Hello Professor _______,</p>
  
  <p>I have question for you about making a bedtime choice, a deviation,
  from a consistent sleep schedule: For an average adult, in general, if
  one knows they will wake up in the middle of a cycle--is it better to
  go to bed later?</p>
  
  <p><strong><em>Scenario1</em></strong></p>
  
  <p>Get home late, and ready to be in bed at 11:15 PM. Must wake at 6:30
  for work.</p>
  
  <p><strong><em>Scenario2</em></strong></p>
  
  <p>Get home late, later, and ready to be in bed at 11:45 PM. Must wake at
  6:30 for work.</p>
  
  <p>The first is 30 minutes late. The second is 60. Let's say for this
  person that we can safely assume that an adequate nights sleep is 7:45
  TIB. In other words, this person can be high-functioning on exactly
  7.5 hours of sleep (while following a consistent sleep/wake routine).</p>
  
  <p>→ Is it better to wait until 12:15?</p>
  
  <p>[...] I ask this question because I follow the routine above. I
  deviate 1-2 times a month, and either way usually take a nap before
  3PM to follow, but persistently wonder which is the ideal choice.</p>
</blockquote>

<hr>

<h2>Prof. Responses</h2>

<blockquote>
  <p>Hi Adam, </p>
  
  <p>There is not easy answer, I do not know of direct evidence
  for one schedule over the other;  you are the best judge;  try the
  different schedules and  decide which one works for you (i.e. you feel
  better and you are “ready” to go) </p>
  
  <p>It may be that they are very
  similar; in any case, it is dangerous to assume 7 or 8 hours is what
  YOU  need </p>
  
  <p>Inter individual variability is huge, this is why each
  person is the best judge</p>
</blockquote>

<p>~ C.C.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Adam,</p>
  
  <p>Unfortunately, there is no good answer. The data for waking up in the
  middle of a cycle is sparse and doesn't offer good conclusions (the
  only reasonable one is that if it makes you feel better to wake up at
  the end of a cycle, that's probably a good thing). There are some
  circadian consequences of bouncing around a sleep onset time too much,
  with greater variability in onset time leading to more difficulty
  initiating sleep (and probably some other changes as well, though less
  well documented). Me, I'd stick with the earlier bed time that is
  closer to standard bedtime and get the extra sleep...</p>
</blockquote>

<p>~ J.Z.</p>

<h2>Going Further</h2>

<p>Assess your ideal amount of sleep by taking a 'sleep vacation.' Over a two-week period, keep your consistent bedtime, but don't wake up with an alarm clock. Log. (See <a href="http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/need-sleep/what-can-you-do/assess-needs" rel="nofollow noreferrer">healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/need-sleep/what-can-you-do/assess-needs</a>.)</p>

<p>How do you objectively analyze your sleep?</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>There are two commonly used methods to assess sleep, Actigraphy
  and Polysomnography. Actigraphy is a non-invasive method of
  monitoring sleep and involves wearing wrist activity monitors, which
  are devices worn like a wristwatch that continuously record body
  movement (usually stored in 1-min epochs). [...] Actigraphy is useful for
  understanding sleep patterns as it is non-invasive and relatively
  easy to collect data over significant periods of time (commonly two
  weeks of monitoring).</p>
  
  <p>The second method is Polysomnography (PSG) which is a sleep
  study in which body functions such as EEG, eye movements,
  muscle activity and cardiac activity are measured. PSG provides
  information on sleep staging and is considered the “gold standard”
  for assessing sleep quality and quantity.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>~ Sports Science Exchange (2013) Vol. 26, No. 113, <a href="https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/376d/232aedc232c608f29f588043d8fcb5bafe3d.pdf#page=2" rel="nofollow noreferrer">page 2</a></p>

<p>→ DIY: <a href="https://sleepjunkies.com/features/the-ultimate-guide-to-sleep-tracking" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://sleepjunkies.com/features/the-ultimate-guide-to-sleep-tracking</a></p>

<hr>

<h2>Additional Resources</h2>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20180823193325/http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.874.577&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><em>Phase Relationships between Sleep-Wake Cycle and Underlying Circadian Rhythms in Morningness-Eveningness</em></a></p></li>
<li><p><a href="http://www.med.upenn.edu/uep/assets/user-content/documents/Van_Dongen_Dinges_SRS_Bull_7_3_2001.pdf#page=2" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><em>Modeling the Effects of Sleep Debt: On the Relevance of Inter-Individual Differences</em></a></p></li>
</ul>

<p>Extra</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://faculty.ist.psu.edu/vhonavar/Papers/BIBM2017_YE.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://faculty.ist.psu.edu/vhonavar/Papers/BIBM2017_YE.pdf</a></li>
</ul>

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adamaero
<p>As your contacts have already pointed out, there is no research on this specific question. But from what I have observed (both in patients with sleep disorders with whom I have been working as well as in healthy subjects), it is most likely that someone who has been following the same bed and wakeup routine for a month or longer will wake up at their usual time regardless of where they are in their sleep cycle, if they go to bed at a different time only once.</p>

<p>And that's the whole point of regular bed and wakeup times in sleep hygiene: those routines remain relatively stable, once they have been established, even in times of stress or other – temporary! – interferences. Only when the sleep routine is consistently eroded (or the deviation from the regular bed time is large), will wakeup times begin to shift significantly.</p>

<p>You may notice that if you go to bed half an hour later than usual, that you wake up a little tired or a little on the late side of your usual range of wakeup times.</p>

<p>What I have noticed is that people who go to bed a little later than usual may find that they have trouble <em>falling asleep!</em> Because when they remain awake beyond the point where their body had prepared them for sleep, their body will begin to rouse them again, "thinking" the person needs wakefulness. So it might actually take you until the next phase to fall properly asleep and you'll be sleeping rather restless until then, if you sleep at all.</p>

<p>But this, as I said, is observation over a small sample and not generalizable.</p>

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user20611
<p>Let us say that one consistently goes to sleep at the same time every day, and sets an alarm for the same duration of sleep 7 hours and 45 minutes (e.g., 10:45pm to 6:30am). </p>

<p>One day, they get caught up in something, and are 30 minutes late to "bedtime." Is it better to wait 45-60 minutes to wake up at the same time (at the end of a cycle), refreshed, and not in the middle of a cycle, groggy?</p>

<hr>

<p>I know there are some odd assumptions here, but if you could please either help edit or have better questions (or advice) to strike more at the heart of the matter--please do so. I think the largest assumption is the roughly 90 minutes sleep phase cycles at the end at least:
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/6r2xW.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/6r2xW.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

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The durations of time spent in each stage of sleep aren't reliable enough for you to be able to predict at the beginning of the night where in the cycle you will be several hours later.
Bryan Krause
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I stated the question as to assume an increased level of reliability. One can use Supermemo's Sleep Chart, with a consistent sleep regimen, and predict such a thing. If you're skeptical, the question still stands on it's own (ideally, regardless of practicality). So even if you don't believe it can be moderately predicted, the theoretical question is still valid.
adamaero
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For an average adult, in general, if one knows they will wake up in the middle of a cycle--is it better to go to bed later?
adamaero
# For an average adult, in general, if one knows they will wake up in the middle of a cycle--is it better to go to bed later?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-05-19)

Let us say that one consistently goes to sleep at the same time every day, and sets an alarm for the same duration of sleep 7 hours and 45 minutes (e.g., 10:45pm to 6:30am).

One day, they get caught up in something, and are 30 minutes late to "bedtime." Is it better to wait 45-60 minutes to wake up at the same time (at the end of a cycle), refreshed, and not in the middle of a cycle, groggy?

---

I know there are some odd assumptions here, but if you could please either help edit or have better questions (or advice) to strike more at the heart of the matter--please do so. I think the largest assumption is the roughly 90 minutes sleep phase cycles at the end at least:
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/6r2xW.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/6r2xW.jpg)

**Tags:** sleep, performance

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The durations of time spent in each stage of sleep aren't reliable enough for you to be able to predict at the beginning of the night where in the cycle you will be several hours later.  
> **username_0**: I stated the question as to assume an increased level of reliability. One can use Supermemo's Sleep Chart, with a consistent sleep regimen, and predict such a thing. If you're skeptical, the question still stands on it's own (ideally, regardless of practicality). So even if you don't believe it can be moderately predicted, the theoretical question is still valid.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2018-08-23. Score: 1

As a precursor, even if a stringent sleep schedule is absolutely followed, one still needs to practice other good sleep hygiene habits: avoiding blue light (or using a filter for screens), exercising regularly, eating healthy and attaining an overall equanimous mood (lack of distress). That, among other non-ideal factors, such as sleep disturbances could also result in a poor nights sleep. But the question was stated as if in a 'perfect vacuum.' Non-idealities are overlooked.

That being said, I am going off the aforementioned assumptions about religiously going to bed at 10:45 and waking at 6:30 every day--including weekends. Let's say this person could sleep for nine hours (9:15 TIB), and we can safely assume that an adequate nights sleep is 7:45 TIB. In other words, this person can be high-functioning on 7.5 hours of sleep (five phases).

→ **Is it better to wait until 12:15?** (Either way, 6:30 wakeup for work stays constant.) One deviant day--does it matter? When will the sleep debt be relinquished? Honestly, I didn't find any research remotely about it.

Let's go out on a limb, and say it doesn't matter given the ideal-vacuum conditions. Then how many deviations, say, twice a week--do matter? How many will lead to partial sleep deprivation? Still, the answer is **unknown**.

---

So I emailed sleep researchers from U.W. Madison and Stanford:

`Going to sleep in the middle of a phase versus "catching" the next phase (with less sleep) for one night` (subject)

> Hello Professor \_\_\_\_\_\_\_,
>
> I have question for you about making a bedtime choice, a deviation,
> from a consistent sleep schedule: For an average adult, in general, if
> one knows they will wake up in the middle of a cycle--is it better to
> go to bed later?
>
> ***Scenario1***
>
> Get home late, and ready to be in bed at 11:15 PM. Must wake at 6:30
> for work.
>
> ***Scenario2***
>
> Get home late, later, and ready to be in bed at 11:45 PM. Must wake at
> 6:30 for work.
>
> The first is 30 minutes late. The second is 60. Let's say for this
> person that we can safely assume that an adequate nights sleep is 7:45
> TIB. In other words, this person can be high-functioning on exactly
> 7.5 hours of sleep (while following a consistent sleep/wake routine).
>
> → Is it better to wait until 12:15?
>
> [...] I ask this question because I follow the routine above. I
> deviate 1-2 times a month, and either way usually take a nap before
> 3PM to follow, but persistently wonder which is the ideal choice.

---

## Prof. Responses

> Hi Adam,
>
> There is not easy answer, I do not know of direct evidence
> for one schedule over the other; you are the best judge; try the
> different schedules and decide which one works for you (i.e. you feel
> better and you are “ready” to go)
>
> It may be that they are very
> similar; in any case, it is dangerous to assume 7 or 8 hours is what
> YOU need
>
> Inter individual variability is huge, this is why each
> person is the best judge

~ C.C.

> Adam,
>
> Unfortunately, there is no good answer. The data for waking up in the
> middle of a cycle is sparse and doesn't offer good conclusions (the
> only reasonable one is that if it makes you feel better to wake up at
> the end of a cycle, that's probably a good thing). There are some
> circadian consequences of bouncing around a sleep onset time too much,
> with greater variability in onset time leading to more difficulty
> initiating sleep (and probably some other changes as well, though less
> well documented). Me, I'd stick with the earlier bed time that is
> closer to standard bedtime and get the extra sleep...

~ J.Z.

## Going Further

Assess your ideal amount of sleep by taking a 'sleep vacation.' Over a two-week period, keep your consistent bedtime, but don't wake up with an alarm clock. Log. (See [healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/need-sleep/what-can-you-do/assess-needs](http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/need-sleep/what-can-you-do/assess-needs).)

How do you objectively analyze your sleep?

> There are two commonly used methods to assess sleep, Actigraphy
> and Polysomnography. Actigraphy is a non-invasive method of
> monitoring sleep and involves wearing wrist activity monitors, which
> are devices worn like a wristwatch that continuously record body
> movement (usually stored in 1-min epochs). [...] Actigraphy is useful for
> understanding sleep patterns as it is non-invasive and relatively
> easy to collect data over significant periods of time (commonly two
> weeks of monitoring).
>
> The second method is Polysomnography (PSG) which is a sleep
> study in which body functions such as EEG, eye movements,
> muscle activity and cardiac activity are measured. PSG provides
> information on sleep staging and is considered the “gold standard”
> for assessing sleep quality and quantity.

~ Sports Science Exchange (2013) Vol. 26, No. 113, [page 2](https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/376d/232aedc232c608f29f588043d8fcb5bafe3d.pdf#page=2)

→ DIY: <https://sleepjunkies.com/features/the-ultimate-guide-to-sleep-tracking>

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## Additional Resources

* [*Phase Relationships between Sleep-Wake Cycle and Underlying Circadian Rhythms in Morningness-Eveningness*](http://web.archive.org/web/20180823193325/http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.874.577&rep=rep1&type=pdf)
* [*Modeling the Effects of Sleep Debt: On the Relevance of Inter-Individual Differences*](http://www.med.upenn.edu/uep/assets/user-content/documents/Van_Dongen_Dinges_SRS_Bull_7_3_2001.pdf#page=2)

Extra

* <https://faculty.ist.psu.edu/vhonavar/Papers/BIBM2017_YE.pdf>


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### Answer by username_2 on 2018-10-24. Score: 1

As your contacts have already pointed out, there is no research on this specific question. But from what I have observed (both in patients with sleep disorders with whom I have been working as well as in healthy subjects), it is most likely that someone who has been following the same bed and wakeup routine for a month or longer will wake up at their usual time regardless of where they are in their sleep cycle, if they go to bed at a different time only once.

And that's the whole point of regular bed and wakeup times in sleep hygiene: those routines remain relatively stable, once they have been established, even in times of stress or other – temporary! – interferences. Only when the sleep routine is consistently eroded (or the deviation from the regular bed time is large), will wakeup times begin to shift significantly.

You may notice that if you go to bed half an hour later than usual, that you wake up a little tired or a little on the late side of your usual range of wakeup times.

What I have noticed is that people who go to bed a little later than usual may find that they have trouble *falling asleep!* Because when they remain awake beyond the point where their body had prepared them for sleep, their body will begin to rouse them again, "thinking" the person needs wakefulness. So it might actually take you until the next phase to fall properly asleep and you'll be sleeping rather restless until then, if you sleep at all.

But this, as I said, is observation over a small sample and not generalizable.


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