<p>Mark Manson from the article <a href="https://markmanson.net/fuck-your-feelings" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="Fuck Your Feelings">Fuck Your Feelings</a> introduces this table of what he calls &quot;meta-feelings&quot;:</p>
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<td><strong>Feeling Bad About Feeling Bad (Self-Loathing)</strong><ul><li>Excessive self-criticism</li><li>Anxious/Neurotic behavior</li><li>Suppression of emotions</li><li>Engage in a lot of fake niceness/politeness</li><li>Feeling as though something is wrong with you</li></ul></td>
<td><strong>Feeling Bad About Feeling Good (Guilt)</strong><ul><li>Chronic guilt and feeling as though you <a href="https://markmanson.net/how-to-be-happy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">don’t deserve happiness</a></li><li>Constant comparison of yourself to others</li><li>Feeling as though something <em>should</em> be wrong, even if everything is great</li><li>Unnecessary criticism and negativity</li></ul></td>
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<td><strong>Feeling Good About Feeling Bad (Self-Righteousness)</strong><ul><li>Moral indignation</li><li>Condescension towards others</li><li>Feeling as though you deserve something others don’t</li><li>Seeking out a constant sense of powerlessness and victimization</li></ul></td>
<td><strong>Feeling Good About Feeling Good (Ego/Narcissism)</strong><ul><li>Self-congratulatory</li><li>Chronically overestimate yourself; a delusionally-positive self-perception</li><li>Unable to handle failure or rejection</li><li>Avoids confrontation or discomfort</li><li>Constant state of self-absorption</li></ul></td>
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<p>Is this chart based on any theory? At first it seems like to be the same with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-emotion" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="Meta-emotion - Wikipedia">meta-emotion</a>, but reading that I feel like meta-emotion is more about parenting style, and focusing more on feeling bad about feelings (the top quadrants).</p>
<p>Here are the <a href="https://advice.theshineapp.com/articles/how-to-deal-with-your-meta-emotions-aka-feeling-bad-about-your-feelings/" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="How to Deal With Your ‘Meta-Emotions’—aka Feeling Bad About Your Feelings | Shine">four types</a> of meta-emotions (<a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/emo0000488" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Bailen et al. 2019</a>):</p>
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<p>Meta-emotions can be classified into four types: negative-negative (e.g., feeling embarrassed about feeling sad), negative-positive (e.g., feeling guilty about feeling happy), <strong>positive-positive (e.g., feeling hopeful about feeling relieved), and positive-negative (e.g., feeling pleased about feeling angry)</strong></p>
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<p>The positive-negative and positive-positive emotions in meta-emotion doesn't seem to match with the bottom row of the table (self-righteousness and ego/narcissism). The chart also reminds me more about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_emotions" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="Moral emotions - Wikipedia">moral emotions</a>.</p>
<h2>References</h2>
<p>Bailen, N. H., Wu, H., &amp; Thompson, R. J. (2019). Meta-emotions in daily life: Associations with emotional awareness and depression. <em>Emotion, 19</em>(5), 776–787. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1037/emo0000488" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.1037/emo0000488</a></p>

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I haven't read the articles yet, but why do you say that the *positive-negative* and *positive-positive* emotions do not match the bottom row of the table?  *feeling hopeful about feeling relieved* and *feeling pleased about feeling angry* are only examples.  Looking at the table though, I would question some of the entries made by Mark Manson.  For example *Feeling as though you deserve something others don’t* when you are feeling a negative-negative emotion?
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I also haven't read Bailen et al due to paywall; the quote from [this article](https://advice.theshineapp.com/articles/how-to-deal-with-your-meta-emotions-aka-feeling-bad-about-your-feelings/) is the only one I have. The positive-positive and positive-negative quadrants in meta-emotion theory seem to be healthy mental states, while the counterparts quadrants in Mark Manson's chart are not that healthy. "Feeling as though you deserve something others don’t" is a positive-negative emotion, not a negative-negative emotion
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Is Mark Manson's meta-feeling table based on any theory?
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# Is Mark Manson's meta-feeling table based on any theory?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-05-18)

Mark Manson from the article [Fuck Your Feelings](https://markmanson.net/fuck-your-feelings "Fuck Your Feelings") introduces this table of what he calls "meta-feelings":

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| **Feeling Bad About Feeling Bad (Self-Loathing)**  * Excessive self-criticism * Anxious/Neurotic behavior * Suppression of emotions * Engage in a lot of fake niceness/politeness * Feeling as though something is wrong with you | **Feeling Bad About Feeling Good (Guilt)**  * Chronic guilt and feeling as though you [don’t deserve happiness](https://markmanson.net/how-to-be-happy) * Constant comparison of yourself to others * Feeling as though something *should* be wrong, even if everything is great * Unnecessary criticism and negativity |
| **Feeling Good About Feeling Bad (Self-Righteousness)**  * Moral indignation * Condescension towards others * Feeling as though you deserve something others don’t * Seeking out a constant sense of powerlessness and victimization | **Feeling Good About Feeling Good (Ego/Narcissism)**  * Self-congratulatory * Chronically overestimate yourself; a delusionally-positive self-perception * Unable to handle failure or rejection * Avoids confrontation or discomfort * Constant state of self-absorption |

Is this chart based on any theory? At first it seems like to be the same with [meta-emotion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-emotion "Meta-emotion - Wikipedia"), but reading that I feel like meta-emotion is more about parenting style, and focusing more on feeling bad about feelings (the top quadrants).

Here are the [four types](https://advice.theshineapp.com/articles/how-to-deal-with-your-meta-emotions-aka-feeling-bad-about-your-feelings/ "How to Deal With Your ‘Meta-Emotions’—aka Feeling Bad About Your Feelings | Shine") of meta-emotions ([Bailen et al. 2019](https://doi.org/10.1037/emo0000488)):

> Meta-emotions can be classified into four types: negative-negative (e.g., feeling embarrassed about feeling sad), negative-positive (e.g., feeling guilty about feeling happy), **positive-positive (e.g., feeling hopeful about feeling relieved), and positive-negative (e.g., feeling pleased about feeling angry)**

The positive-negative and positive-positive emotions in meta-emotion doesn't seem to match with the bottom row of the table (self-righteousness and ego/narcissism). The chart also reminds me more about [moral emotions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_emotions "Moral emotions - Wikipedia").

## References

Bailen, N. H., Wu, H., & Thompson, R. J. (2019). Meta-emotions in daily life: Associations with emotional awareness and depression. *Emotion, 19*(5), 776–787. <https://doi.org/10.1037/emo0000488>

**Tags:** emotion, terminology, metacognition

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I haven't read the articles yet, but why do you say that the *positive-negative* and *positive-positive* emotions do not match the bottom row of the table?  *feeling hopeful about feeling relieved* and *feeling pleased about feeling angry* are only examples.  Looking at the table though, I would question some of the entries made by Mark Manson.  For example *Feeling as though you deserve something others don’t* when you are feeling a negative-negative emotion?  
> **username_0**: I also haven't read Bailen et al due to paywall; the quote from [this article](https://advice.theshineapp.com/articles/how-to-deal-with-your-meta-emotions-aka-feeling-bad-about-your-feelings/) is the only one I have. The positive-positive and positive-negative quadrants in meta-emotion theory seem to be healthy mental states, while the counterparts quadrants in Mark Manson's chart are not that healthy. "Feeling as though you deserve something others don’t" is a positive-negative emotion, not a negative-negative emotion  

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