<p>Balsa wood is likely to provide the best strength versus weight ratio of any building material you'll find. Peter Sripol recently posted a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3PU0b8-lks" rel="nofollow noreferrer">YouTube video</a> of his construction, a rigid airship. Pipe cleaners contain a metal spine adding too much weight, in my opinion.</p>
<p>You may want to consider to use thin lines for suspending the gondola. Spectra fishing line is made of the same material as the plastic bags and is notoriously strong. Extending from that line of thought, you could use either balsa struts (hobby shop sourced) or suspend the gondola with strips of plastic from the bags.</p>
<p>Peter attempted to use helium but found it lacked the necessary lifting power. It appears that he used aircraft modeling tissue to keep the weight down, but I suspect your idea of using super thin plastic is a good one.</p>
<p>I have ordinary <a href="https://www.walmart.com/ip/Color-Scents-Small-Trash-Bags-4-Gallon-80-Bags-Twist-Tie-Lavender-Scent/339479948" rel="nofollow noreferrer">small trash bags</a> purchased from a big box store. Only yesterday, I measured the thickness of the plastic at 0.0007 inches, 0.0178 mm which may be the thinnest stuff one could find. The bags are relatively large when slit down one side and the bottom, easier to use than a grocery bag, which I now measured at 0.0008 inches thick. At US$4.48 for a box of 80, it's low cost and readily available. If you require a larger contiguous surface area, the same manufacturer offers an 8 gallon size, but I cannot attest to the thickness of that product. There are no specifications for thickness in the product listing. My figures come from direct measurement with a micrometer capable of reading to one ten-thousandth of an inch.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/TkiY8.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/TkiY8.png" alt="bag of bags" /></a></p>
<p>Home Depot lists 0.7 mil (0.0007 inches) drop cloth but I know that the material is not as durable as the trash bags from WM.</p>
<p>Peter Sripol eventually used hydrogen to get the necessary buoyancy for his vessel and typical of Peter, he ignited the craft during its (obviously) last flight. Hydrogen does not explode, but it will burn as it gains access to oxygen. An explosion would require a suitable mix of oxygen and hydrogen, but your dirigible would/should be inflated with only the one component.</p>
<p>EDIT: I did a quick search for black plastic drop cloth and found I was wrong about the thickness. There's some four mill stuff out there. I suggest black if you don't have an objection, as you'll get solar heating benefit as well. There are also those <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JzdERxpzes" rel="nofollow noreferrer">solar balloons</a> that work on the same principle. Inflate, expose to sunlight, watch them float away!</p>

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good idea on the fishing line, that seems like a lighter option. I'll check out my local hobby lobby and see if I some balsa wood.
Ceramicmrno0b
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<p>I'm toying around with the idea of making an RC lighter-than-air craft, probably a Zeppelin or Blimp shaped one. I'm pretty sure I'll just use a candle or two to get the lift so it isn't a Hydrogen bomb waiting to go off. Anyway, I've figured that I'll probably wrap it with those thin meat bags at any grocery store or tissue paper to keep most of the air in, and use <s>pipe cleaners</s> fishing line to attach a small box with a candle or two as well as the propulsion system, which will be the circuitry and motors I ripped from a leaky RC boat. With this stuff adding onto the weight, I need a lightweight material to use as the frame.</p>
<p>The material needs to be lightweight, cheap, and preferably purchased from a hardware store like Lowe's or a craft store like Hobby Lobby, Joans, or Michael's, but ordering online is okay.</p>

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2020-09-17T17:39:34.193Z
If you're going to use a candle for heat, use something other than a plastic bag for the skin.  The air inside gets very hot and plastic bags quickly melt through.  Even in the "tall" orientation so the plastic is far above the flame (I used to make mini hot air balloons from large plastic bags), you'll be lucky to get a few minutes of air time.  If you're going to go through the work of building an aircraft, use a skin that will take the heat.  Tissue paper will last a lot longer than plastic bags, especially if you treat it (think of the Japanese "paper bag" candle balloons).
fixer1234
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@fixer1234, okay, tissue paper was another thing I was thinking of, I'll probably use that then.
Ceramicmrno0b
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2020-09-17T21:48:16.257Z
An important thing to remember about airships is that lift goes up as the cube of size, while mass goes up as the square.  This hits you *hard* when making a small airship: it needs to be a meter or two long just to lift its own weight.
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What material should I use for the frame of my lighter-than-air craft?
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# What material should I use for the frame of my lighter-than-air craft?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-09-17)

I'm toying around with the idea of making an RC lighter-than-air craft, probably a Zeppelin or Blimp shaped one. I'm pretty sure I'll just use a candle or two to get the lift so it isn't a Hydrogen bomb waiting to go off. Anyway, I've figured that I'll probably wrap it with those thin meat bags at any grocery store or tissue paper to keep most of the air in, and use ~~pipe cleaners~~ fishing line to attach a small box with a candle or two as well as the propulsion system, which will be the circuitry and motors I ripped from a leaky RC boat. With this stuff adding onto the weight, I need a lightweight material to use as the frame.

The material needs to be lightweight, cheap, and preferably purchased from a hardware store like Lowe's or a craft store like Hobby Lobby, Joans, or Michael's, but ordering online is okay.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: If you're going to use a candle for heat, use something other than a plastic bag for the skin.  The air inside gets very hot and plastic bags quickly melt through.  Even in the "tall" orientation so the plastic is far above the flame (I used to make mini hot air balloons from large plastic bags), you'll be lucky to get a few minutes of air time.  If you're going to go through the work of building an aircraft, use a skin that will take the heat.  Tissue paper will last a lot longer than plastic bags, especially if you treat it (think of the Japanese "paper bag" candle balloons).  
> **username_0**: @username_1, okay, tissue paper was another thing I was thinking of, I'll probably use that then.  
> **username_2**: An important thing to remember about airships is that lift goes up as the cube of size, while mass goes up as the square.  This hits you *hard* when making a small airship: it needs to be a meter or two long just to lift its own weight.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2020-09-17. Score: 5 | Accepted answer

Balsa wood is likely to provide the best strength versus weight ratio of any building material you'll find. Peter Sripol recently posted a [YouTube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3PU0b8-lks) of his construction, a rigid airship. Pipe cleaners contain a metal spine adding too much weight, in my opinion.

You may want to consider to use thin lines for suspending the gondola. Spectra fishing line is made of the same material as the plastic bags and is notoriously strong. Extending from that line of thought, you could use either balsa struts (hobby shop sourced) or suspend the gondola with strips of plastic from the bags.

Peter attempted to use helium but found it lacked the necessary lifting power. It appears that he used aircraft modeling tissue to keep the weight down, but I suspect your idea of using super thin plastic is a good one.

I have ordinary [small trash bags](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Color-Scents-Small-Trash-Bags-4-Gallon-80-Bags-Twist-Tie-Lavender-Scent/339479948) purchased from a big box store. Only yesterday, I measured the thickness of the plastic at 0.0007 inches, 0.0178 mm which may be the thinnest stuff one could find. The bags are relatively large when slit down one side and the bottom, easier to use than a grocery bag, which I now measured at 0.0008 inches thick. At US$4.48 for a box of 80, it's low cost and readily available. If you require a larger contiguous surface area, the same manufacturer offers an 8 gallon size, but I cannot attest to the thickness of that product. There are no specifications for thickness in the product listing. My figures come from direct measurement with a micrometer capable of reading to one ten-thousandth of an inch.

[![bag of bags](https://i.sstatic.net/TkiY8.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/TkiY8.png)

Home Depot lists 0.7 mil (0.0007 inches) drop cloth but I know that the material is not as durable as the trash bags from WM.

Peter Sripol eventually used hydrogen to get the necessary buoyancy for his vessel and typical of Peter, he ignited the craft during its (obviously) last flight. Hydrogen does not explode, but it will burn as it gains access to oxygen. An explosion would require a suitable mix of oxygen and hydrogen, but your dirigible would/should be inflated with only the one component.

EDIT: I did a quick search for black plastic drop cloth and found I was wrong about the thickness. There's some four mill stuff out there. I suggest black if you don't have an objection, as you'll get solar heating benefit as well. There are also those [solar balloons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JzdERxpzes) that work on the same principle. Inflate, expose to sunlight, watch them float away!

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: good idea on the fishing line, that seems like a lighter option. I'll check out my local hobby lobby and see if I some balsa wood.  

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