<p>The answer depends upon several things:</p>
<ul>
<li>the features of the dress you are altering, such as, sleeveless vs sleeved, types of sleeves if present, gathered vs fitted waist, presence of side seam fasteners or pockets, etc...</li>
<li>the fabric the dress is made of</li>
<li>how much you are altering the dress</li>
<li>how persnickety you yourself are about things like seam finishes and drape of the finished product (as noted by @SueC and @Stefan in the comments above)</li>
</ul>
<p>In the first youtube video you site, the front and back pieces of the bodice and skirt are each one continuous piece of fabric, so reducing the circumferences of the body and sleeves a small amount by simply stitching along the side seams and underarm seams (what my Mom calls “taking in the seams”) would probably work “well enough”. However, Kurtis are made of woven fabric, and the sleeves are quite fitted, making alterations of anything more than a small amount potentially unforgiving; one would need to proceed with caution, the explanation of which will take up most of the rest of this answer...</p>
<p>So yes, this scenario could possibly apply to your alteration of a dress with a gathered skirt, from the standpoint of re-fitting the basically-tubular shapes of bodice and skirt in a relatively straightforward manner. That is, and here’s the tricky part, “unless” your dress has sleeves, is made of a woven fabric, and / or there will be a large amount of fabric left in the new seam allowance, in which cases the ability of the shoulder seam to lay nicely and articulate normally could be hindered.</p>
<p>This is because the armscye is one of the most complex places to alter on a torso garment (dress, shirt, jacket...), as both the size and shape of the wearer, and motions of the arm and shoulder in actions such as reaching forward or overhead, are involved.  I would consider this an advanced skill in the alteration realm.</p>
<p>Certainly this depends on the dress you are altering.  If it is sleeveless, and / or made of a knit fabric, you will possibly have less of an issue altering at the armscye.  But even on a sleeveless dress, it is easy for an armscye to become too small or too gaping during the alteration process.</p>
<p>The second and third videos you site demonstrate cutting the too-large dresses apart first at the waist, then at the side seams, then reassembling them to a smaller size. In the second video, the dress has to be trimmed down extensively at the sides because the original dress had pleats, as well as being 10 sizes too large. A sheath dress such as her finished product is meant to fit just right, conforming to the figure, so cutting away a great amount of material is necessary, which obviously leaves raw edges for seaming... She wisely uses a pencil skirt that she likes the fit of as a pattern for cutting away the sides of the skirt, which also allows her to confirm that the amount she takes off of the side seams of the bodice is correct, since the two circumferences apparently match.</p>
<p>The lady who alters down a thrift shop dress basically cuts all the pieces apart, which is somewhat like starting from where you would when cutting out a pattern on new fabric. The difference being that from there, she needs a method to know how much to take in, and where, which she doesn’t explain. She had to either use her own measurements, taking positive ease into consideration, or she used a dress she likes the fit of as a pattern, or she used an actual sewing pattern. That dress is of knit fabric, so I assume she is using a serger or a stretchy stitch on a regular sewing machine; both methods would lend a lot of forgiveness to the fit, if the reduction method she uses is less than perfect. Also note, it is a sleeveless dress, which obviates most of the potential complications of fitting the articulation of the shoulder joint.</p>
<p>So, the fourth video seems to express your question most directly. Wouldn’t she have saved time and effort by merely “taking in the seams”? Possibly yes, but in my experience, I don’t think so.  Notice that at 3:09, she trims the armscye.  She feels this is necessary as evidenced by her statement there that she determined how much to trim “from the shoulder seam” (while the cut she makes actually affects both the armscye and shoulder seams) by measuring “across from one shoulder to another”.  She did shorten the length of the shoulder seam, which makes it a smaller size, BUT although she states that this action has not changed the size of the armhole, it actually has: it is now larger and deeper, which counterintuitively makes it less articulating. This website, <a href="https://parisiangentleman.co.uk/academy/the-armscye-height-secret-a-crucial-detail/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Parisian Gentleman”</a>, explains this phenomenon well:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>...if the armscye fits close to the armpit, then movement of the arms will not be restricted and the front of the jacket will not move when your arms move. Conversely, an armscye positioned too low, leaving too much space between the armpit and the bottom of the armscye will cause a small sartorial catastrophe which includes discomfort, strain on the mid part of the jacket when the arms move and riding up of the back of the jacket when seated at a table with arms forward.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I have made this mistake myself, and believe me, it is very uncomfortable, you feel like your upper arms are tied to your torso!</p>
<p>So again, could you take your dress and merely “take in the seams”? Very possibly, <em>depending</em> upon these many factors, chief among which is that pesky armscye. The gal in the last video certainly could have made all of her changes, except the alteration of the armscye, by merely “taking in the seams”.</p>
<p>One simple strategy to test your theory that cutting apart the seams doesn’t always seem necessary, would be to <em>baste</em> the seams you intend to take in, about 1/16th inch <em>outside of</em> (that is, closer to the edge from) where you want the seams to go. (This way the basting can be easily removed later, as it will not be sewn over, OR you could perhaps choose to leave it in...) When you try the basting-altered garment on, move your arms forward and upward, in reaching motions, to test the armscye fit. One caveat: the seam allowance in the armscye area might be pulling things tightly even though the seam is placed correctly, in which case some very strategic and careful notch placement would be in order, which might also require you to finish that section of the seam...</p>
<p>The last “depends upon” factor to mention is, your personal standards and preferences for finishing seams. In some situations this is strictly personal preference, but sometimes the way a seam is finished does affect the outcome of the garment so strongly that the finished garment is either the best thing you ever wore, or it is never worn again after trying it on. This is because things like waving or puckers in the seam allowance, or, pulling or twisting of the garment around constricted areas like the waist or arms, can occur to a surprisingly severe degree, simply due to an improperly finished seam. It has to do with the behavior of fabric that is stitched.</p>
<p>Understanding this personality quirk, which is different among each of the fabrics you will sew with, comes with study and experience. The best place to start is what you are doing: follow your instincts and try things. It sounds like you are experimenting with some interesting seam finishes (although I have never heard of a “weft seam”, except with hand-woven fabrics?) There are many ways to any given result in sewing, and no single right way to do anything. Go forth and try what your mind is suggesting, and see how it works out!</p>
<p>Since I have talked about a couple of important and specific sewing skill sets, here are some links for further study:</p>
<p><strong>Fitting Armscyes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://fashion-incubator.com/how-to-re-shape-armholes/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“How to Re-Shape Armholes}, at Fashion Incubator</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.thedailysew.com/2016/01/how-to-adjust-the-bodice-and-sleeve-pattern-when-armholes-are-too-large/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“How to Adjust the Bodice and Sleeve Pattern When Armholes are Too Large”, at The Daily Sew</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.sempstress.org/measurement/measuring-the-armscye-frontback-armscye/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Armscye, Front &amp; Back”, at Sempstress</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mybluprint.com/article/armhole-adjustments" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Armhole Adjustments You Might Never Have Considered”, at Bluprint</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.threadsmagazine.com/2008/11/02/to-get-the-right-armhole-fit-the-bodice" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“To Get The Right Armhole, Fit The Bodice”, at Threads Magazine</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>How Seam Finishes May Affect The Finished Garment:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://sewingprofessionals.com/resources/media/asdp/documents/2019-asdp-standards-of-quality.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Standards of Quality”, at Sewing Professionals</a>: This excellent article describes standards for Seam Finishes on page 3:</li>
</ul>
<blockquote>
<p>SEAM FINISHES - A seam finish is any technique that is used to make a seam neat, to prevent the seam allowance edges from raveling and/or fraying, to prevent seam allowances from rolling, to prevent stretching and rippling in some seam allowances, and to give the inside of the garment a more pleasing appearance. Examples of seam finishes are pinked, overcast, Hong Kong, turned and stitched, and serged.</p>
<ol>
<li>The seam finish is appropriate to the garment fabric, the garment design, the intended use of the garment, its quality, and garment care.</li>
<li>The finish is applied securely so that it remains in place during normal wear and care.</li>
<li>The finish does not add bulk to the seam.</li>
<li>The selected finish prevents the fabric from raveling, rolling, or
stretching and contributes to the overall neatness of the garment.</li>
<li>The finishes’ binding or thread color is appropriate to the fashion fabric, unless used for decorative purposes.</li>
</ol>
</blockquote>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://emilyhallman.com/2018/11/17/pretty-on-the-inside/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Pretty on the Inside”, at Emily Hallman Designs</a></li>
<li><a href="https://weallsew.com/seam-finishes-3-ways/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Seam Finishes 3 Ways”, at We All Sew</a></li>
<li><a href="https://doitbetteryourself.club/blog/the-best-techniques-to-finish-your-raw-seams/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“The Best Techniques to Finish Your Raw Seams”, at DIBY Club</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www2.ca.uky.edu/agcomm/pubs/fcs2/fcs2304/fcs2304.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Seam Finishes”, at The University of Kentucky College of Agriculture, Food and Environment</a></li>
<li><a href="http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2388&amp;context=extensionhist" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Seam Finishes”, at The University of Nebraska Extension</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.coats.com/en/Information-Hub/Finding-the-Best-Seam-Type" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“Seam Types, Bulletin 17”, at Coats</a></li>
</ul>

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Laurent R.
<p>So far, I have seen tutorials where kurtas (these are long Indian dress-like shirts worn with palazzi, skirts or leggings) have been altered by sewing along the seam.</p>
<p>Take, for example, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=230&amp;v=szCynXS9FwA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this video</a>.<br />
Note that the pattern is straight (don't worry about the language barrier, the marking action starts around 3:50).</p>
<p>However, I see tutorials to alter bodices attached to skirts where it is cut at the seams, like <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNN1U1WpymE" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>.<br />
The lady goes from size 18 to size 8 and alters the dress.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=65&amp;v=huRAJJ_IxzA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">In this video</a>, the lady gets a dress from a thrift store and explains where to cut (she doesn't demonstrate it, though) - it starts at 1:05.</p>
<p><strong>Is there a way to alter a bodice attached to a gathered skirt WITHOUT cutting the seams?</strong></p>
<p>I am asking because I have seen tutorials to alter kurtas that involve cutting seams <strong>which I don't believe is necessary</strong>. Instead, I would have stitched along the seams.<br />
In <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=86&amp;v=6xgshbHnxwM" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this video</a> this action starts at 1:26 - I would have simply marked off the excess area behind the seams and then sown it.</p>
<p>By the way, I create seams with left-over fabric by cutting it open. On one shirt I altered I created weft seams. On another shirt, I created clean seams.</p>
<p>The lady in <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5gvlzwhP0Q" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this video</a> has a straight-forward tutorial on seams.</p>

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One issue I can think of with just sewing along existing seams is, the leftover fabric. If you're making substantial changes, you'll have a lot of leftover fabric behind your seams (inside the garment) that will then be in the way. It can affect the fit & flow of the garment. Would you be removing that extra fabric after sewing?
SueC
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Hello @SueC I will be turning left-over fabric into seams. I added this info to the original question.
Marium
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I think the point is that a small amount of leftover seam might be ok, but start leaving large seams inside and you will see the edges, which might look odd. If the material is thick and opaque then possibly no problem with appearance. With a thinner more translucent fabric you might even see the leftover fabric inside the outer layer, which in my opinion looks odd.
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Yes @Stefan, so far I have used thick, opaque fabric and it worked well. In future may have to trim the left over fabric to size before making invisible seam, such as clean seam.
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How to alter dress where bodice is joined to gathered skirt without cutting garment at seams
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# How to alter dress where bodice is joined to gathered skirt without cutting garment at seams

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-09-19)

So far, I have seen tutorials where kurtas (these are long Indian dress-like shirts worn with palazzi, skirts or leggings) have been altered by sewing along the seam.

Take, for example, [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=230&v=szCynXS9FwA).  
Note that the pattern is straight (don't worry about the language barrier, the marking action starts around 3:50).

However, I see tutorials to alter bodices attached to skirts where it is cut at the seams, like [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNN1U1WpymE).  
The lady goes from size 18 to size 8 and alters the dress.

[In this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=65&v=huRAJJ_IxzA), the lady gets a dress from a thrift store and explains where to cut (she doesn't demonstrate it, though) - it starts at 1:05.

**Is there a way to alter a bodice attached to a gathered skirt WITHOUT cutting the seams?**

I am asking because I have seen tutorials to alter kurtas that involve cutting seams **which I don't believe is necessary**. Instead, I would have stitched along the seams.  
In [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=86&v=6xgshbHnxwM) this action starts at 1:26 - I would have simply marked off the excess area behind the seams and then sown it.

By the way, I create seams with left-over fabric by cutting it open. On one shirt I altered I created weft seams. On another shirt, I created clean seams.

The lady in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5gvlzwhP0Q) has a straight-forward tutorial on seams.

**Tags:** sewing, alterations, seams

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: One issue I can think of with just sewing along existing seams is, the leftover fabric. If you're making substantial changes, you'll have a lot of leftover fabric behind your seams (inside the garment) that will then be in the way. It can affect the fit & flow of the garment. Would you be removing that extra fabric after sewing?  
> **username_0**: Hello @username_1 I will be turning left-over fabric into seams. I added this info to the original question.  
> **username_2**: I think the point is that a small amount of leftover seam might be ok, but start leaving large seams inside and you will see the edges, which might look odd. If the material is thick and opaque then possibly no problem with appearance. With a thinner more translucent fabric you might even see the leftover fabric inside the outer layer, which in my opinion looks odd.  
> **username_0**: Yes @username_2, so far I have used thick, opaque fabric and it worked well. In future may have to trim the left over fabric to size before making invisible seam, such as clean seam.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2019-11-17. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

The answer depends upon several things:

* the features of the dress you are altering, such as, sleeveless vs sleeved, types of sleeves if present, gathered vs fitted waist, presence of side seam fasteners or pockets, etc...
* the fabric the dress is made of
* how much you are altering the dress
* how persnickety you yourself are about things like seam finishes and drape of the finished product (as noted by @username_1 and @username_2 in the comments above)

In the first youtube video you site, the front and back pieces of the bodice and skirt are each one continuous piece of fabric, so reducing the circumferences of the body and sleeves a small amount by simply stitching along the side seams and underarm seams (what my Mom calls “taking in the seams”) would probably work “well enough”. However, Kurtis are made of woven fabric, and the sleeves are quite fitted, making alterations of anything more than a small amount potentially unforgiving; one would need to proceed with caution, the explanation of which will take up most of the rest of this answer...

So yes, this scenario could possibly apply to your alteration of a dress with a gathered skirt, from the standpoint of re-fitting the basically-tubular shapes of bodice and skirt in a relatively straightforward manner. That is, and here’s the tricky part, “unless” your dress has sleeves, is made of a woven fabric, and / or there will be a large amount of fabric left in the new seam allowance, in which cases the ability of the shoulder seam to lay nicely and articulate normally could be hindered.

This is because the armscye is one of the most complex places to alter on a torso garment (dress, shirt, jacket...), as both the size and shape of the wearer, and motions of the arm and shoulder in actions such as reaching forward or overhead, are involved. I would consider this an advanced skill in the alteration realm.

Certainly this depends on the dress you are altering. If it is sleeveless, and / or made of a knit fabric, you will possibly have less of an issue altering at the armscye. But even on a sleeveless dress, it is easy for an armscye to become too small or too gaping during the alteration process.

The second and third videos you site demonstrate cutting the too-large dresses apart first at the waist, then at the side seams, then reassembling them to a smaller size. In the second video, the dress has to be trimmed down extensively at the sides because the original dress had pleats, as well as being 10 sizes too large. A sheath dress such as her finished product is meant to fit just right, conforming to the figure, so cutting away a great amount of material is necessary, which obviously leaves raw edges for seaming... She wisely uses a pencil skirt that she likes the fit of as a pattern for cutting away the sides of the skirt, which also allows her to confirm that the amount she takes off of the side seams of the bodice is correct, since the two circumferences apparently match.

The lady who alters down a thrift shop dress basically cuts all the pieces apart, which is somewhat like starting from where you would when cutting out a pattern on new fabric. The difference being that from there, she needs a method to know how much to take in, and where, which she doesn’t explain. She had to either use her own measurements, taking positive ease into consideration, or she used a dress she likes the fit of as a pattern, or she used an actual sewing pattern. That dress is of knit fabric, so I assume she is using a serger or a stretchy stitch on a regular sewing machine; both methods would lend a lot of forgiveness to the fit, if the reduction method she uses is less than perfect. Also note, it is a sleeveless dress, which obviates most of the potential complications of fitting the articulation of the shoulder joint.

So, the fourth video seems to express your question most directly. Wouldn’t she have saved time and effort by merely “taking in the seams”? Possibly yes, but in my experience, I don’t think so. Notice that at 3:09, she trims the armscye. She feels this is necessary as evidenced by her statement there that she determined how much to trim “from the shoulder seam” (while the cut she makes actually affects both the armscye and shoulder seams) by measuring “across from one shoulder to another”. She did shorten the length of the shoulder seam, which makes it a smaller size, BUT although she states that this action has not changed the size of the armhole, it actually has: it is now larger and deeper, which counterintuitively makes it less articulating. This website, [“Parisian Gentleman”](https://parisiangentleman.co.uk/academy/the-armscye-height-secret-a-crucial-detail/), explains this phenomenon well:

> ...if the armscye fits close to the armpit, then movement of the arms will not be restricted and the front of the jacket will not move when your arms move. Conversely, an armscye positioned too low, leaving too much space between the armpit and the bottom of the armscye will cause a small sartorial catastrophe which includes discomfort, strain on the mid part of the jacket when the arms move and riding up of the back of the jacket when seated at a table with arms forward.

I have made this mistake myself, and believe me, it is very uncomfortable, you feel like your upper arms are tied to your torso!

So again, could you take your dress and merely “take in the seams”? Very possibly, *depending* upon these many factors, chief among which is that pesky armscye. The gal in the last video certainly could have made all of her changes, except the alteration of the armscye, by merely “taking in the seams”.

One simple strategy to test your theory that cutting apart the seams doesn’t always seem necessary, would be to *baste* the seams you intend to take in, about 1/16th inch *outside of* (that is, closer to the edge from) where you want the seams to go. (This way the basting can be easily removed later, as it will not be sewn over, OR you could perhaps choose to leave it in...) When you try the basting-altered garment on, move your arms forward and upward, in reaching motions, to test the armscye fit. One caveat: the seam allowance in the armscye area might be pulling things tightly even though the seam is placed correctly, in which case some very strategic and careful notch placement would be in order, which might also require you to finish that section of the seam...

The last “depends upon” factor to mention is, your personal standards and preferences for finishing seams. In some situations this is strictly personal preference, but sometimes the way a seam is finished does affect the outcome of the garment so strongly that the finished garment is either the best thing you ever wore, or it is never worn again after trying it on. This is because things like waving or puckers in the seam allowance, or, pulling or twisting of the garment around constricted areas like the waist or arms, can occur to a surprisingly severe degree, simply due to an improperly finished seam. It has to do with the behavior of fabric that is stitched.

Understanding this personality quirk, which is different among each of the fabrics you will sew with, comes with study and experience. The best place to start is what you are doing: follow your instincts and try things. It sounds like you are experimenting with some interesting seam finishes (although I have never heard of a “weft seam”, except with hand-woven fabrics?) There are many ways to any given result in sewing, and no single right way to do anything. Go forth and try what your mind is suggesting, and see how it works out!

Since I have talked about a couple of important and specific sewing skill sets, here are some links for further study:

**Fitting Armscyes:**

* [“How to Re-Shape Armholes}, at Fashion Incubator](https://fashion-incubator.com/how-to-re-shape-armholes/)
* [“How to Adjust the Bodice and Sleeve Pattern When Armholes are Too Large”, at The Daily Sew](https://www.thedailysew.com/2016/01/how-to-adjust-the-bodice-and-sleeve-pattern-when-armholes-are-too-large/)
* [“Armscye, Front & Back”, at Sempstress](http://www.sempstress.org/measurement/measuring-the-armscye-frontback-armscye/)
* [“Armhole Adjustments You Might Never Have Considered”, at Bluprint](https://www.mybluprint.com/article/armhole-adjustments)
* [“To Get The Right Armhole, Fit The Bodice”, at Threads Magazine](https://www.threadsmagazine.com/2008/11/02/to-get-the-right-armhole-fit-the-bodice)

**How Seam Finishes May Affect The Finished Garment:**

* [“Standards of Quality”, at Sewing Professionals](https://sewingprofessionals.com/resources/media/asdp/documents/2019-asdp-standards-of-quality.pdf): This excellent article describes standards for Seam Finishes on page 3:

> SEAM FINISHES - A seam finish is any technique that is used to make a seam neat, to prevent the seam allowance edges from raveling and/or fraying, to prevent seam allowances from rolling, to prevent stretching and rippling in some seam allowances, and to give the inside of the garment a more pleasing appearance. Examples of seam finishes are pinked, overcast, Hong Kong, turned and stitched, and serged.
>
> 1. The seam finish is appropriate to the garment fabric, the garment design, the intended use of the garment, its quality, and garment care.
> 2. The finish is applied securely so that it remains in place during normal wear and care.
> 3. The finish does not add bulk to the seam.
> 4. The selected finish prevents the fabric from raveling, rolling, or
>    stretching and contributes to the overall neatness of the garment.
> 5. The finishes’ binding or thread color is appropriate to the fashion fabric, unless used for decorative purposes.

* [“Pretty on the Inside”, at Emily Hallman Designs](http://emilyhallman.com/2018/11/17/pretty-on-the-inside/)
* [“Seam Finishes 3 Ways”, at We All Sew](https://weallsew.com/seam-finishes-3-ways/)
* [“The Best Techniques to Finish Your Raw Seams”, at DIBY Club](https://doitbetteryourself.club/blog/the-best-techniques-to-finish-your-raw-seams/)
* [“Seam Finishes”, at The University of Kentucky College of Agriculture, Food and Environment](http://www2.ca.uky.edu/agcomm/pubs/fcs2/fcs2304/fcs2304.pdf)
* [“Seam Finishes”, at The University of Nebraska Extension](http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2388&context=extensionhist)
* [“Seam Types, Bulletin 17”, at Coats](https://www.coats.com/en/Information-Hub/Finding-the-Best-Seam-Type)


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