<p>After trying to work it our for a while, I gave up and redid the pattern.</p>

<p>With the new configuration, I've come to the conclusion it means "3 treble on the space left between the first 2 stitches (which are a 3-chain), then chain 6". This and the following 2 instructions yield this result, which looks like the top of the leaves pictured in the guide:</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/WULI2.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/WULI2.jpg" alt="Semi-completed pattern"></a></p>

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You are right. 'Under' here means that to work the trebles you put your hook under the three chains which were made previously. There is no noun after the first '3', so the first noun of the sentence is meant, '11 trebles in 11 stitches, 3 trebles around the ch3 of previous row'
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<p>I've recently come across a nice library of antique Irish crochet patterns at a site called <a href="http://www.antiquepatternlibrary.org" rel="nofollow noreferrer">APL</a>. I'm having some trouble understanding their language (some of it seems to be different from what we use nowadays).</p>

<p>At <a href="https://www.antiquepatternlibrary.org/pub/PDF/6-AK003Crawford.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this</a> pattern, near the start of the leaf section it says the following:</p>

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  <p>[...] a treble in each of 11 trebles, 3 under 3 chain, chain 6</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I haven't found any modern resources that would explain what "3 under 3 chain" could mean. This "N  under X chain" pattern repeats later.</p>

<p>What would that be? Is there a modern equivalent of that stitch under modern terminology?</p>

<p>My hypotheses:</p>

<ul>
<li>It means "yarn under thrice and chain 3", but that would lead to an accumulation of loops across the pattern (it's used multiple times and it never uses such loops)</li>
<li>It means "skip three stitches on the level below the current one", but that has been previously labelled as "miss 3".</li>
<li>It means "three trebles, but with yarn under", but that would ignore the "chain" part of the instruction and not really make any difference.</li>
</ul>

<p>For context, here's what you get by following the pattern up until that point (with thicker yarn). "A treble in each of 11 trebles" is the last step executed.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/R5yxY.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/R5yxY.jpg" alt="One row of 15 treble stitches under another with 11."></a></p>

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Old crochet terminology: "3 under 3 chain"
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# Old crochet terminology: "3 under 3 chain"

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-06-08)

I've recently come across a nice library of antique Irish crochet patterns at a site called [APL](http://www.antiquepatternlibrary.org). I'm having some trouble understanding their language (some of it seems to be different from what we use nowadays).

At [this](https://www.antiquepatternlibrary.org/pub/PDF/6-AK003Crawford.pdf) pattern, near the start of the leaf section it says the following:

> [...] a treble in each of 11 trebles, 3 under 3 chain, chain 6

I haven't found any modern resources that would explain what "3 under 3 chain" could mean. This "N under X chain" pattern repeats later.

What would that be? Is there a modern equivalent of that stitch under modern terminology?

My hypotheses:

* It means "yarn under thrice and chain 3", but that would lead to an accumulation of loops across the pattern (it's used multiple times and it never uses such loops)
* It means "skip three stitches on the level below the current one", but that has been previously labelled as "miss 3".
* It means "three trebles, but with yarn under", but that would ignore the "chain" part of the instruction and not really make any difference.

For context, here's what you get by following the pattern up until that point (with thicker yarn). "A treble in each of 11 trebles" is the last step executed.

[![One row of 15 treble stitches under another with 11.](https://i.sstatic.net/R5yxY.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/R5yxY.jpg)

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2020-06-09. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

After trying to work it our for a while, I gave up and redid the pattern.

With the new configuration, I've come to the conclusion it means "3 treble on the space left between the first 2 stitches (which are a 3-chain), then chain 6". This and the following 2 instructions yield this result, which looks like the top of the leaves pictured in the guide:

[![Semi-completed pattern](https://i.sstatic.net/WULI2.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/WULI2.jpg)

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: You are right. 'Under' here means that to work the trebles you put your hook under the three chains which were made previously. There is no noun after the first '3', so the first noun of the sentence is meant, '11 trebles in 11 stitches, 3 trebles around the ch3 of previous row'  

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