<p>This is an interesting topics. I will throw in my 2 cents too :D</p>
<h1>Company Names</h1>
<p>Many big companies hire PR/Advertising firm to conduct research to create localized name or brand name. Though many times they will end up with phonetic translation, some will get nice semi-phonetic, some of them get lucky with phonetic and poetic.</p>
<h2>Famous Semi-Phonetic</h2>
<blockquote>
<p><strong>Coca-Cola 可口可樂 / 可口可乐</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<pre><code>可口 Taste Good / Delicious
可樂 可以快樂 / 可以帶來快樂 Can Be Happy / Can Bring Happiness
</code></pre>
<p>It is a very good semi-phonetic name for a drink.</p>
<blockquote>
<p><strong>Marlboro 萬寶路 / 万宝路</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<pre><code>萬寶 Thousands of treasures
路   Road
</code></pre>
<p>Road to thousands of treasures. Who wouldn't want it?!</p>
<h2>Famous Poetic</h2>
<blockquote>
<p><strong>Revlon 露華濃 / 露华浓</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>The origin is a very famous poem 清平調(poem) by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Bai" rel="noreferrer">李白 Li Bai</a></p>
<blockquote>
<p>雲想衣裳花想容 春風拂檻 <strong>露華濃</strong> 若非羣玉山頭見 會向瑤臺月下逢</p>
<p>云想衣裳花想容 春风拂槛 <strong>露华浓</strong> 若非群玉山头见 会向瑶台月下逢</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The poem is often used to praise the beauty of ladies. Perfect fit for cosmetic!</p>
<p>PS: It is too difficult for me to translate 清平調, I will provide 2 links here (<a href="http://www.musicated.com/syh/tangpoems.htm#LiBai02" rel="noreferrer">1</a>)(<a href="http://my.opera.com/transient/blog/2010/11/23/317" rel="noreferrer">2</a>).</p>
<h2>Pure Phonetic</h2>
<p>Too many, but I will give this one example</p>
<blockquote>
<p><strong>Dior 迪奥</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is a pure phonetic translation. If you reverse the order, it becomes 奥迪, which is Audi (the car manufacture).</p>

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奥迪/迪奥 reminds me of 拉菲 (Lafite, the famous wine/winery) / 菲拉格幕 (Ferragamo).
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John Siu
<p>May be irrelevant but there are many western companies that do not need to transliterate their names in Hong Kong such as Dior or Revlon. In standard everyday conversation and even in newspapers, their English names are used to reference their products and not the transliterated name. In fact, I think many people in HK would do a double take if you referenced 迪奥 instead of just "Dior"</p>

<p>News Article Sample Links</p>

<p><a href="https://metrohk.com.hk/?cmd=detail&amp;id=196040" rel="nofollow">REVLON</a></p>

<p><a href="http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/supplement/columnist/%E9%84%A7%E9%81%94%E6%99%BA/art/20140107/18581405" rel="nofollow">Dior</a></p>

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dom0d0mod
<p>You're right, most foreign words are transliterated differently in Mandarin and in Cantonese. Sometimes there are even different standards in different Mandarin speaking regions. It's an interesting idea to use characters that have similar pronunciations in both dialects to unify the transliteration but it's not what has already happened. </p>

<p>A few examples of different transliteration in Mandarin and Cantonese:</p>

<ul>
<li>Beckham: 贝克汉(姆) (Mandarin: Bèikèhàn[mú]), 碧咸 (Cantonese: Bīkhàahm)</li>
<li>Hollywood: 好莱坞 (Mandarin: Hǎoláiwù), 荷里活 (Cantonese: Hòhléihwuht)</li>
<li>Titanic: 泰坦尼克 (Mandarin: Tàitǎnníkè), 铁达尼 (Cantonese: Titdaahtnèih)</li>
</ul>

<p>The standards used by mainland China to transliterate English names into Mandarin can be found here: </p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3aTranscription_into_Chinese">英语姓名译名手册</a> (rules)</li>
<li><a href="http://wenku.baidu.com/view/1a1feee9856a561252d36f3d.html">常见英美姓名音译表</a> (list)</li>
</ul>

<p>I was unable to find a good reference for its Cantonese counterpart though.</p>

<p>Related reading: </p>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_into_Chinese_characters">Transcription into Chinese characters</a> (wikipedia)</p></li>
<li><p><a href="http://learning.sohu.com/20121227/n361754673.shtml">两岸四地外国专名翻译异同趣谈</a></p></li>
</ul>

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Note also that in some cases, like company names [eg 迪士尼 Disney, pronounced dik6 si6 nei4], the Mandarin transliteration is used in Canto. Which makes the words barely recognizable. Plenty of HK street names with Mandarin transliterations too.
dda
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@dda. Yes indeed. Consider 道琼斯 (Dow Jones), which is *dou6 king4 si1* in Cantonese.
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NS.X.
<p>If I understand correctly, Cantonese sounds very different from Mandarin, despite being written in the same way (omitting some small differences, which are irrelevant for the question).</p>

<p>If it is the case, how can foreign words be transliterated into Chinese on a phonetic basis, so that both Cantonese and Mandarin would read them similarly?</p>

<p>For example, suppose there is a Western company "Blablawabla" and I am writing Chinese text, where this company is referred to. Is it the case, that I would have to choose different representations for "Blablawabla", depending on whether the text will be read by Mandarin or Cantonese speakers? Or are there some "standard" characters that are pronounced very similarly in Mandarin and Cantonese and I have to be aware of them when transliterating? Or am I misunderstanding the idea completely?</p>

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How does foreign word transliteration work in the context of Cantonese vs Mandarin?
# How does foreign word transliteration work in the context of Cantonese vs Mandarin?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2013-01-02)

If I understand correctly, Cantonese sounds very different from Mandarin, despite being written in the same way (omitting some small differences, which are irrelevant for the question).

If it is the case, how can foreign words be transliterated into Chinese on a phonetic basis, so that both Cantonese and Mandarin would read them similarly?

For example, suppose there is a Western company "Blablawabla" and I am writing Chinese text, where this company is referred to. Is it the case, that I would have to choose different representations for "Blablawabla", depending on whether the text will be read by Mandarin or Cantonese speakers? Or are there some "standard" characters that are pronounced very similarly in Mandarin and Cantonese and I have to be aware of them when transliterating? Or am I misunderstanding the idea completely?

**Tags:** mandarin, cantonese, names, place-names


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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2013-01-02. Score: 13 | Accepted answer

You're right, most foreign words are transliterated differently in Mandarin and in Cantonese. Sometimes there are even different standards in different Mandarin speaking regions. It's an interesting idea to use characters that have similar pronunciations in both dialects to unify the transliteration but it's not what has already happened.

A few examples of different transliteration in Mandarin and Cantonese:

* Beckham: 贝克汉(姆) (Mandarin: Bèikèhàn[mú]), 碧咸 (Cantonese: Bīkhàahm)
* Hollywood: 好莱坞 (Mandarin: Hǎoláiwù), 荷里活 (Cantonese: Hòhléihwuht)
* Titanic: 泰坦尼克 (Mandarin: Tàitǎnníkè), 铁达尼 (Cantonese: Titdaahtnèih)

The standards used by mainland China to transliterate English names into Mandarin can be found here:

* [英语姓名译名手册](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3aTranscription_into_Chinese) (rules)
* [常见英美姓名音译表](http://wenku.baidu.com/view/1a1feee9856a561252d36f3d.html) (list)

I was unable to find a good reference for its Cantonese counterpart though.

Related reading:

* [Transcription into Chinese characters](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_into_Chinese_characters) (wikipedia)
* [两岸四地外国专名翻译异同趣谈](http://learning.sohu.com/20121227/n361754673.shtml)

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: Note also that in some cases, like company names [eg 迪士尼 Disney, pronounced dik6 si6 nei4], the Mandarin transliteration is used in Canto. Which makes the words barely recognizable. Plenty of HK street names with Mandarin transliterations too.  
> **username_5**: @username_2. Yes indeed. Consider 道琼斯 (Dow Jones), which is *dou6 king4 si1* in Cantonese.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2013-01-03. Score: 7

This is an interesting topics. I will throw in my 2 cents too :D
Company Names
Many big companies hire PR/Advertising firm to conduct research to create localized name or brand name. Though many times they will end up with phonetic translation, some will get nice semi-phonetic, some of them get lucky with phonetic and poetic.
Famous Semi-Phonetic

Coca-Cola 可口可樂 / 可口可乐

可口 Taste Good / Delicious
可樂 可以快樂 / 可以帶來快樂 Can Be Happy / Can Bring Happiness

It is a very good semi-phonetic name for a drink.

Marlboro 萬寶路 / 万宝路

萬寶 Thousands of treasures
路   Road

Road to thousands of treasures. Who wouldn't want it?!
Famous Poetic

Revlon 露華濃 / 露华浓

The origin is a very famous poem 清平調(poem) by 李白 Li Bai

雲想衣裳花想容 春風拂檻 露華濃 若非羣玉山頭見 會向瑤臺月下逢
云想衣裳花想容 春风拂槛 露华浓 若非群玉山头见 会向瑶台月下逢

The poem is often used to praise the beauty of ladies. Perfect fit for cosmetic!
PS: It is too difficult for me to translate 清平調, I will provide 2 links here (1)(2).
Pure Phonetic
Too many, but I will give this one example

Dior 迪奥

This is a pure phonetic translation. If you reverse the order, it becomes 奥迪, which is Audi (the car manufacture).

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: 奥迪/迪奥 reminds me of 拉菲 (Lafite, the famous wine/winery) / 菲拉格幕 (Ferragamo).  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2014-02-01. Score: 1

May be irrelevant but there are many western companies that do not need to transliterate their names in Hong Kong such as Dior or Revlon. In standard everyday conversation and even in newspapers, their English names are used to reference their products and not the transliterated name. In fact, I think many people in HK would do a double take if you referenced 迪奥 instead of just "Dior"

News Article Sample Links

[REVLON](https://metrohk.com.hk/?cmd=detail&id=196040)

[Dior](http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/supplement/columnist/%E9%84%A7%E9%81%94%E6%99%BA/art/20140107/18581405)


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