<p>畀 and 被 are not related.  In Old Chinese (F. K. Li's system) 畀 was pjidh, and 被 was bjiarx/h, phonetically quite different. </p>

<p>被 (the qusheng reading) was, and still is, a coverlet, etymologically related to the verb 'to cover' (the shangsheng reading). How 'cover' became a marker of passivity in a sentence is a long story; when something is laid on you, it's never you that does the laying, and the fact that it's an action external to you gives it a very passive feeling. </p>

<p>畀 originally meant 'give' in the sense of to 'bestow'; it came to be a passive marker is a very different fashion from 被; in fact, in most southern dialects, passive is marked by co-verb like structures with the meaning of 'give'; this is a regional feature, though the actual word differs from dialect to dialect; in the Minnan dialect, for example, it is 'ho', and its usage is very similar to 畀 in Yue dialects.</p>

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Do you have any sources? I was always under the impression that the use of 被 as a passive marker in modern Chinese was a simply a phonetic loan (假借字) and not actually related to its original meaning of 'to cover'.
Claw
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Peyraube, Alain. “History of the Passive Constructions in Chinese Until the 10th Century.” Journal of Chinese Linguistics 17.2 (1988): 335–372.
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<p>畀 and 被's modern pronunciations are quite similar.</p>
<p>Although 畀 can mean “give” like the Mandarin 给 it also can work like 被:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>佢畀人睇見</p>
<p>他被人家看見</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Do Cantonese 畀 and Mandarin 被 have any historical connection?</p>

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他給人家看見 is perfectly valid, too.
Stan
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I think you're referring to 俾, not 畀.  One of the meaning of 俾 is identical to 被, as suggested by your example.  But there are no historical connection between these two.
Alex
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@Alex While I've seen the prescription that `bei2` should be written 俾 when used as a passive marker and 畀 when used to mean 'to give', it's not clear that they are actually distinct words, because there is a continuum of meaning between the two. Take the following examples: 我畀啲嘢你做 "I give you things to do" > 我搵啲嘢畀你做 "I find things for you (i.e., to give to you) to do" > 啲嘢畀你做 "Things are given to you to do" or "Things are to be done by you" > 啲嘢畀你做咗 "Things were done by you"
Claw
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@Claw 畀 means "giving" as you mentioned in your example which is commonly used in Guangzhou, which it does not fit into the OP's example.  Here's a reference: http://hkcanton.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=144906.  俾 and 畀's usage are often mixed in Hong Kong's media.
Alex
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@Alex My examples showed how the meaning of "to give" very fluidly morphs into the passive construction by the last two examples, which parallel the structure of the sentence given by the OP. This is why I raised the question of whether 俾 and 畀 are really distinct words in the first place.
Claw
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@Claw I will see if i understand you correctly here~  (i googled passive construction and i think i've a clue).  Of all example given, 畀 is used as "given", "giving", "to give", which is centered in the meaning of "gives".  It only parallel OP's sentence if 畀 has similar meaning as 被, which is not correct.  However, if 俾 is used, it will then parallel to your examples.
Alex
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@Alex  "畀" and "俾" is a confusing pair.  "佢畀人睇見" means "someone saw/watched him/his action"; while "佢俾人睇見" means "he allows someone to see/watch him/his action".
Henry HO
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@HenryHO Let's say these words should be pair up this way:  佢畀人睇見 ~ 他给人家看見, and 佢俾人睇見 ~ 他被人家看見.
Alex
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@Alex I am not sure how "給" is interpreted in Mandarin.  But in Cantonese, I dun find any use case that "俾" mean "被".
Henry HO
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@HenryHO it could depends on the region you're using Cantonese.  I found that Guangzhou, ShenZhen and HongKong have different usage on many words / meanings.
Alex
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I born, grew and live in HK.  HK people, including the Gov. and the mass media, pay little attention to written Cantonese, not to say Guangzhou and ShenZhen.  We can rely only on online resources and verify the said characters with ancient dictionaries.
Henry HO
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Do Cantonese 畀 and Mandarin 被 have any historical connection?
# Do Cantonese 畀 and Mandarin 被 have any historical connection?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-10-07)

畀 and 被's modern pronunciations are quite similar.

Although 畀 can mean “give” like the Mandarin 给 it also can work like 被:

> 佢畀人睇見
>
> 他被人家看見

Do Cantonese 畀 and Mandarin 被 have any historical connection?

**Tags:** mandarin, cantonese

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: 他給人家看見 is perfectly valid, too.  
> **username_2**: I think you're referring to 俾, not 畀.  One of the meaning of 俾 is identical to 被, as suggested by your example.  But there are no historical connection between these two.  
> **username_3**: @username_2 While I've seen the prescription that `bei2` should be written 俾 when used as a passive marker and 畀 when used to mean 'to give', it's not clear that they are actually distinct words, because there is a continuum of meaning between the two. Take the following examples: 我畀啲嘢你做 "I give you things to do" > 我搵啲嘢畀你做 "I find things for you (i.e., to give to you) to do" > 啲嘢畀你做 "Things are given to you to do" or "Things are to be done by you" > 啲嘢畀你做咗 "Things were done by you"  
> **username_2**: @username_3 畀 means "giving" as you mentioned in your example which is commonly used in Guangzhou, which it does not fit into the OP's example.  Here's a reference: http://hkcanton.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=144906.  俾 and 畀's usage are often mixed in Hong Kong's media.  
> **username_3**: @username_2 My examples showed how the meaning of "to give" very fluidly morphs into the passive construction by the last two examples, which parallel the structure of the sentence given by the OP. This is why I raised the question of whether 俾 and 畀 are really distinct words in the first place.  
> **username_2**: @username_3 I will see if i understand you correctly here~  (i googled passive construction and i think i've a clue).  Of all example given, 畀 is used as "given", "giving", "to give", which is centered in the meaning of "gives".  It only parallel OP's sentence if 畀 has similar meaning as 被, which is not correct.  However, if 俾 is used, it will then parallel to your examples.  
> **username_4**: @username_2  "畀" and "俾" is a confusing pair.  "佢畀人睇見" means "someone saw/watched him/his action"; while "佢俾人睇見" means "he allows someone to see/watch him/his action".  
> **username_2**: @HenryHO Let's say these words should be pair up this way:  佢畀人睇見 ~ 他给人家看見, and 佢俾人睇見 ~ 他被人家看見.  
> **username_4**: @username_2 I am not sure how "給" is interpreted in Mandarin.  But in Cantonese, I dun find any use case that "俾" mean "被".  
> **username_2**: @HenryHO it could depends on the region you're using Cantonese.  I found that Guangzhou, ShenZhen and HongKong have different usage on many words / meanings.  
> **username_4**: I born, grew and live in HK.  HK people, including the Gov. and the mass media, pay little attention to written Cantonese, not to say Guangzhou and ShenZhen.  We can rely only on online resources and verify the said characters with ancient dictionaries.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_5 on 2015-10-07. Score: 5 | Accepted answer

畀 and 被 are not related. In Old Chinese (F. K. Li's system) 畀 was pjidh, and 被 was bjiarx/h, phonetically quite different.

被 (the qusheng reading) was, and still is, a coverlet, etymologically related to the verb 'to cover' (the shangsheng reading). How 'cover' became a marker of passivity in a sentence is a long story; when something is laid on you, it's never you that does the laying, and the fact that it's an action external to you gives it a very passive feeling.

畀 originally meant 'give' in the sense of to 'bestow'; it came to be a passive marker is a very different fashion from 被; in fact, in most southern dialects, passive is marked by co-verb like structures with the meaning of 'give'; this is a regional feature, though the actual word differs from dialect to dialect; in the Minnan dialect, for example, it is 'ho', and its usage is very similar to 畀 in Yue dialects.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Do you have any sources? I was always under the impression that the use of 被 as a passive marker in modern Chinese was a simply a phonetic loan (假借字) and not actually related to its original meaning of 'to cover'.  
> **username_5**: Peyraube, Alain. “History of the Passive Constructions in Chinese Until the 10th Century.” Journal of Chinese Linguistics 17.2 (1988): 335–372.  

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