<p>first of all</p>
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<p>a two-person push hands sequence</p>
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<p>the mentioned verse is of sparring (散手), <strong>not</strong> push hand (推手)</p>
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<p>甲 is the left man, grey cloth; 乙 is the right one, white cloth</p>
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<p>乙被掤・乘勢含胸拔背・向右轉腰坐腿・右手刁住甲右腕・向右往後勾提・至甲勢已背時・右手按甲右腕・同時左手按擊甲右肩</p>
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<p>[乙’s ] right hand stick with 甲’s right wrist (右手刁住甲右腕)</p>
<p>towards 乙’s right and aft [向右往後], connected [hand and wrists] (勾), slightly upward (提); till (至) the moment that 甲’s posture (勢) shows his back (背)</p>
<p>the hidden message is: 乙’s wrist, arm moves according to the turning of waist and shifting centre of gravity (轉腰坐腿)</p>
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<p>as &quot;Face to the right and shift back, drawing out the force from #1's back until none is left.&quot;</p>
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<p>Does my translation of &quot;勾提“ make sense in this context</p>
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<p>nice try  well, i’m sorry to say, no.</p>
<p>btw, here’s a wordpress page, you may find helpful info:</p>
<p><a href="https://brennantranslation.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/taiji-two-person-sparring-set-taiji-san-shou-dui-da/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://brennantranslation.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/taiji-two-person-sparring-set-taiji-san-shou-dui-da/</a></p>
<p>have fun :)</p>

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2020-07-17T03:56:23.753Z
Thanks for the advice and the link! This'll really help with my translation!
Coleman Gailloreto
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水巷孑蠻
<p>I'm translating a two-person push hands sequence from a Yang-Style Taiji Quan manual.</p>
<p>In the description of the 62nd form, &quot;Right Cloud Hands&quot; (右云手)， there's a sentence that reads: &quot;向右往后勾提。至甲势已背时。”</p>
<p>“甲” in this context translates to &quot;Martial Artist #1&quot;, one of the participants in this two-person push hands form.  My current translation of this sentence reads as &quot;Face to the right and shift back, drawing out the force from #1's back until none is left.&quot;</p>
<p>Does my translation of &quot;勾提“ make sense in this context, and does my translation generally fit the principles of this Tai Chi form?</p>

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2020-07-16T03:25:49.187Z
Literal meanings: 勾= hook; 提= lift -- 勾提 = hook and lift
Tang Ho
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2020-07-16T12:26:06.417Z
I have no answer, but I found this, another curriculum: 乙在甲右掌扑来时，右拳变掌，前臂内旋，从甲右臂外向上、向右划弧（拇指向），采拿甲的右腕，并向右侧拨引，同时向右转捶，左手立掌向前按甲的右上臂。眼注视甲的面部。此时乙面向西，甲面向东北。
T-Pioneer
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So what the total form of this Taiji?  24 ? 42? 85? 103?   My suggestion is : don't translate by words, but by its meaning ( 不要直译, 要意译) .  Because "向右往后勾提。至甲势已背时" is not easy to understand for chinese native speakers and I search this but got not result, in baidu.com, which is a better search engine than google.
Siwei
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Is my interpretation of "向右往后勾提。至甲势已背时" correct in the context of Tai Chi?
# Is my interpretation of "向右往后勾提。至甲势已背时" correct in the context of Tai Chi?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-07-16)

I'm translating a two-person push hands sequence from a Yang-Style Taiji Quan manual.

In the description of the 62nd form, "Right Cloud Hands" (右云手)， there's a sentence that reads: "向右往后勾提。至甲势已背时。”

“甲” in this context translates to "Martial Artist #1", one of the participants in this two-person push hands form. My current translation of this sentence reads as "Face to the right and shift back, drawing out the force from #1's back until none is left."

Does my translation of "勾提“ make sense in this context, and does my translation generally fit the principles of this Tai Chi form?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Literal meanings: 勾= hook; 提= lift -- 勾提 = hook and lift  
> **username_2**: I have no answer, but I found this, another curriculum: 乙在甲右掌扑来时，右拳变掌，前臂内旋，从甲右臂外向上、向右划弧（拇指向），采拿甲的右腕，并向右侧拨引，同时向右转捶，左手立掌向前按甲的右上臂。眼注视甲的面部。此时乙面向西，甲面向东北。  
> **username_3**: So what the total form of this Taiji?  24 ? 42? 85? 103?   My suggestion is : don't translate by words, but by its meaning ( 不要直译, 要意译) .  Because "向右往后勾提。至甲势已背时" is not easy to understand for chinese native speakers and I search this but got not result, in baidu.com, which is a better search engine than google.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2020-07-16. Score: 4

first of all

> a two-person push hands sequence

the mentioned verse is of sparring (散手), **not** push hand (推手)

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/1Wc4d.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/1Wc4d.jpg)

甲 is the left man, grey cloth; 乙 is the right one, white cloth

> 乙被掤・乘勢含胸拔背・向右轉腰坐腿・右手刁住甲右腕・向右往後勾提・至甲勢已背時・右手按甲右腕・同時左手按擊甲右肩

[乙’s ] right hand stick with 甲’s right wrist (右手刁住甲右腕)

towards 乙’s right and aft [向右往後], connected [hand and wrists] (勾), slightly upward (提); till (至) the moment that 甲’s posture (勢) shows his back (背)

the hidden message is: 乙’s wrist, arm moves according to the turning of waist and shifting centre of gravity (轉腰坐腿)

> as "Face to the right and shift back, drawing out the force from #1's back until none is left."

> Does my translation of "勾提“ make sense in this context

nice try well, i’m sorry to say, no.

btw, here’s a wordpress page, you may find helpful info:

<https://brennantranslation.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/taiji-two-person-sparring-set-taiji-san-shou-dui-da/>

have fun :)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks for the advice and the link! This'll really help with my translation!  

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