<p>I don't know specifically about Chinese, but one thing all researchers into historical phonology can use to help them is rhyme. Where two words in a poem or song no longer rhyme where clearly they were meant to when authored, it is an indication of sound change, either in the past, or between dialects.</p>

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<p>The pronunciation of characters was glossed using the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanqie" rel="noreferrer"><em>Fanqie</em> (反切) system</a>, which uses two existing characters whose pronunciations are known to determine the pronunciation of the unknown character.</p>

<p>Suppose that I wanted to know the pronunciation of「東」. Looking this character up, I'd see that it was phonologically glossed in dictionaries as <strong>德紅切</strong>, which means to take the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllable#Onset" rel="noreferrer">onset</a> (basically the initial consonant) of the first character, in this case「德」, and the "final" (which really is everything after the onset) of the second character, in this case「紅」. In Pinyin,「東」is <code>dong</code>, and reconstructing this syllable with the <em>fanqie</em> system we'd get the initial of「德」(Pinyin <strong>d</strong>e) and everything after the onset of「紅」(Pinyin h<strong>ong</strong>) to get <strong>dong</strong>.</p>

<p>Note, <em>fanqie</em> dictionaries were compiled by scholars in consideration of all the varieties of Chinese, not favouring any particular topolect, which means that they work equally well for all these varieties. In addition, they also work for Sinoxenic pronunciations of Chinese-originated vocabulary in Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese. This is possible because the two characters used to construct the pronunciation are not phonetic symbols like alphabet letters, but have their own unique pronunciation in all the varieties of Chinese (as well as Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese, due to centuries bordering on millenia of cultural and language diffusion across East Asia). The caveat is that the phonology guide is a good approximation but not always an exact match, as the sound evolution of the different varieties of Chinese from the ancestral language is not always consistent everywhere.</p>

<p>This requires the reader to be somewhat literate already, of course - but then again, which dictionary in any language doesn't?</p>

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<p>Demonstration that it is a good approximation for other languages which have used Chinese characters:</p>

<p>東, 德紅切:</p>

<ul>
<li>Japanese: 東 (tō), 德 (<strong>t</strong>oku) 紅 (k<strong>ō</strong>)</li>
<li>Korean: 東 (dong), 德 (<strong>d</strong>eok) 紅 (h<strong>ong</strong>)</li>
<li>Vietnamese: 東 (đông), 德 (<strong>đ</strong>ức) 紅 (h<strong>ồng</strong>)</li>
</ul>

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Doesn't the final need to carry the correct tone? Would 德紅 not be dóng? That must have been the pronunciation during the Sui dynasty at the time《切韻》came out but it's a bit misleading now.
Mou某
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@user3306356 that's why the system is an approximation, being an exact match for some Chinese topolects for some characters but not others; the Vietnamese tone doesn't match either. In Early Middle Chinese 東 and 紅 matched in their tones with both being *level tone* (平聲), but they don't match anymore in Mandarin. They don't seem to match in any of the other major Chinese varieties either. This may have something to do with the tone register difference (東 is 陰平 while 紅 is 陽平).
dROOOze
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Yeah, sorry I was just treating it as a modern day example and got confused.
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<p>Nowadays a Chinese person seeing a character for the first time can look it up in a dictionary (it doesn't matter how) and get the phonetic or Pinyin transliteration, so that the pronunciation is obvious.</p>

<p>How did people get the correct pronunciation of unknown Chinese characters without Latin or phonetic alphabets? I mean, I would expect the language to be "self-contained", so to say, without resorting to external alphabets.</p>

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How did Chinese people know in the past the pronunciation of words?
# How did Chinese people know in the past the pronunciation of words?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-03-05)

Nowadays a Chinese person seeing a character for the first time can look it up in a dictionary (it doesn't matter how) and get the phonetic or Pinyin transliteration, so that the pronunciation is obvious.

How did people get the correct pronunciation of unknown Chinese characters without Latin or phonetic alphabets? I mean, I would expect the language to be "self-contained", so to say, without resorting to external alphabets.

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-03-05. Score: 10 | Accepted answer

The pronunciation of characters was glossed using the [*Fanqie* (反切) system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanqie), which uses two existing characters whose pronunciations are known to determine the pronunciation of the unknown character.

Suppose that I wanted to know the pronunciation of「東」. Looking this character up, I'd see that it was phonologically glossed in dictionaries as **德紅切**, which means to take the [onset](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllable#Onset) (basically the initial consonant) of the first character, in this case「德」, and the "final" (which really is everything after the onset) of the second character, in this case「紅」. In Pinyin,「東」is `dong`, and reconstructing this syllable with the *fanqie* system we'd get the initial of「德」(Pinyin **d**e) and everything after the onset of「紅」(Pinyin h**ong**) to get **dong**.

Note, *fanqie* dictionaries were compiled by scholars in consideration of all the varieties of Chinese, not favouring any particular topolect, which means that they work equally well for all these varieties. In addition, they also work for Sinoxenic pronunciations of Chinese-originated vocabulary in Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese. This is possible because the two characters used to construct the pronunciation are not phonetic symbols like alphabet letters, but have their own unique pronunciation in all the varieties of Chinese (as well as Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese, due to centuries bordering on millenia of cultural and language diffusion across East Asia). The caveat is that the phonology guide is a good approximation but not always an exact match, as the sound evolution of the different varieties of Chinese from the ancestral language is not always consistent everywhere.

This requires the reader to be somewhat literate already, of course - but then again, which dictionary in any language doesn't?

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Demonstration that it is a good approximation for other languages which have used Chinese characters:

東, 德紅切:

* Japanese: 東 (tō), 德 (**t**oku) 紅 (k**ō**)
* Korean: 東 (dong), 德 (**d**eok) 紅 (h**ong**)
* Vietnamese: 東 (đông), 德 (**đ**ức) 紅 (h**ồng**)

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Doesn't the final need to carry the correct tone? Would 德紅 not be dóng? That must have been the pronunciation during the Sui dynasty at the time《切韻》came out but it's a bit misleading now.  
> **username_2**: @user3306356 that's why the system is an approximation, being an exact match for some Chinese topolects for some characters but not others; the Vietnamese tone doesn't match either. In Early Middle Chinese 東 and 紅 matched in their tones with both being *level tone* (平聲), but they don't match anymore in Mandarin. They don't seem to match in any of the other major Chinese varieties either. This may have something to do with the tone register difference (東 is 陰平 while 紅 is 陽平).  
> **username_3**: Yeah, sorry I was just treating it as a modern day example and got confused.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2018-03-05. Score: -1

I don't know specifically about Chinese, but one thing all researchers into historical phonology can use to help them is rhyme. Where two words in a poem or song no longer rhyme where clearly they were meant to when authored, it is an indication of sound change, either in the past, or between dialects.


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