<p>The problem is the use of
把:</p>
<p>When you use 把 before a noun, the chair is standing 在上面.</p>
<p>So, he is not indicated to stand 在上面.</p>
<p>If you would like to indicate that he stands,  you should put the 站 after him (he).</p>

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see_you cu
<p>把 means to have something done or to let/make.</p>
<p>For example, 把手洗了 = 洗手, meaning to have your hands washed or to wash your hand.</p>
<p>Here 把椅子站在上面，it could only mean let/make the chair stand up there, instead of stand on the chair. The difference here is that stand is an intransitive verb, and the noun following it could only be a subject instead of an object while the verb wash is a transitive verb, and you could express it in both ways.</p>

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Juliet
<p>x他把椅子站在上面</p>
<p>✔️他坐在椅子下面</p>
<p>✔️他站在椅子上面</p>
<p>✔️他把椅子放好,站在上面</p>
<p>.....</p>

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RiverRay
<p>Let's make the lines of the story:</p>
<ul>
<li>他想敲碎這面鏡子,可是這鏡子太高了,&quot;所以他找了<strong>ㄧ把</strong>椅子站在上面...&quot;. The last phrase can also be constructed as &quot;所以他站在<strong>ㄧ把</strong>找來的椅子上面...&quot;.</li>
</ul>
<p>Note that both contain the expression in your thought - &quot;he stood on the chair&quot;. And, in both, 把 is used as a &quot;measure word(量词)&quot;, similar to &quot;ㄧ張&quot;, &quot;ㄧ個&quot;.....</p>
<p>Now, let's see what 把 means/does in the pattern of 他把...</p>
<ul>
<li><p>他<strong>把事情</strong>搞砸了 = He failed <strong>the thing</strong>.</p>
</li>
<li><p>他<strong>把我</strong>搞糊塗了 = He confused <strong>me</strong>, or He <strong>made me</strong> confusing.</p>
</li>
<li><p>他<strong>把椅子</strong>放在鏡子前 = He placed <strong>the chair</strong> in front of the mirror, ...</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>In the examples above, 把 always associates with an action (搞 and 放 respectively) that causes/triggers an effect (砸了,糊塗了,在..前) on the object (事情,我,椅子) following it. The full sentence of the last example can be:</p>
<ul>
<li>他<strong>把椅子</strong>放在鏡子前,然後站在<strong>那把椅子</strong>上面. This includes both the pattern &quot;他把&quot; and the measure word &quot;那(一)把&quot;, as described in the beginning.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>What is wrong with 他把椅子站在上面?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Grammatically no mistake</strong>, but it does not reflect the thought you wanted to express - &quot;He stood on the chair&quot;. Instead, it vaguely says &quot;He placed the chair on top&quot; (on top of what?), which can be improved by adding an object after 在 - &quot;他把椅子站在<strong>桌子</strong>上面&quot;, or adding an action - &quot;他把椅子<strong>放好</strong>站在上面 (He stably placed the chair and stood on it).</p>

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how is the 量词 meaning of 把 related to the OP's question? why do not you also add the meaning of 把 (bà) in your comments as well? It makes no sense to just search the web/dict and list whatever you know/find out. Please answer to the point of the question.
ALife
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r13
<p>What is the &quot;problem&quot; with using 把 in the context of the comic?</p>
<p>(A)  他站在椅子上面:-</p>
<p>他 --- He</p>
<p>站在 --- stood on</p>
<p>椅子上面 --- on the chair.</p>
<p>(B)  他把椅子站在上面:-</p>
<p>他 --- He</p>
<p>把 --- let / put</p>
<p>椅子 --- the chair</p>
<p>站在上面 --- (to) stand up there.</p>
<p>Explanation:-</p>
<p>Both sentences are grammatically correct following the &quot;SVO&quot; structure but differ radically in meaning, (though (B) is structurally awkward)</p>
<p>In 他站在椅子上面:-</p>
<p>他 --- He (Subject)</p>
<p>站在 --- stood on (Verb)</p>
<p>椅子上面 --- on the chair (Object)</p>
<p>In 他把椅子站在上面:-</p>
<p>他 --- He (Subject)</p>
<p>把椅子站在 --- let / put the chair (to) stand (Verb)</p>
<p>上面 --- up there (Object)</p>
<p>Therefore the semantic confusion revolves around exactly &quot;who&quot; or &quot;what&quot; is doing the &quot;standing&quot;; the &quot;He&quot; or the &quot;Chair&quot;?</p>
<p>Finally, with regards to 上面, there is a semantic shift between the two sentences. In (A), it means &quot;on the&quot;, in (B), it means &quot;up there&quot;</p>

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Wayne Cheah
<p>把 is a disposive marker. It marks the object that's to be disposed of. You need a verb that can dispose of objects</p>
<p>Example:</p>
<p>把椅子燒掉 = take the chair and burn it (the verb 'burn' can dispose of the object 'chair') [O]</p>
<p>把椅子打碎 = take the chair and break it (the verb 'break' can dispose of the object 'chair')[O]</p>
<p>把椅子站 = take the chair and stand (the verb 'stand' can't dispose of the object 'chair')[X]</p>
<blockquote>
<p>他把椅子站在上面 is ungrammatical</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>他把椅子放在上面 is grammatical because the verb 'put' can dispose of the object 'chair'</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>他把椅子(拉出來)站在上面 would be grammatical because the verb 'pull out' can dispose of the object 'chair'</p>
</blockquote>

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This seems like pretty fundamental information about 把, it's a pity it's not widely shared with students. Just wondering, do you have a reference for this very helpful information?
goPlayerJuggler
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@goPlayerJuggler [把](https://cantoneseplus.com/character/420)  [3] [國] [prep] used before a direct object and a verb to convey the sense of disposal
Tang Ho
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Tang Ho
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/RbXD6.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/RbXD6m.jpg" alt="a comic I'm describing in Chinese; in panel 3 a boy stands on a chair" /></a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yesterday I was practicing with an iTalki teacher, and in describing the above comic I said:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>他把椅子站在上面。</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I meant &quot;he stood on the chair&quot;.  The tutor said that's not correct, and I should say</p>
<blockquote>
<p>他站在椅子上面。</p>
</blockquote>
<p>He wasn't able to give me a precise explanation on the spot, but I asked him if I could say words to the effect of</p>
<blockquote>
<p>他把椅子拖进来，然后站在上面。</p>
</blockquote>
<p>And he said that was okay.  (I'm not completely sure I remember it correctly.)</p>
<p><strong>Question</strong>: What is wrong with 他把椅子站在上面?</p>
<p>(PS. This is not the same question as <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/q/16434/8099;">Why is &quot;他在椅子上坐&quot; wrong?</a> here I use 把 grammar, while this similar question does not.)</p>

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Considering: 他把椅子拖进来，然后(他)站在(椅子)上面。
dan
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说的人多了就正确了。说的人少了就错误了。
bronze man
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What is wrong with 他把椅子站在上面?
# What is wrong with 他把椅子站在上面?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-07-01)

> [![a comic I'm describing in Chinese; in panel 3 a boy stands on a chair](https://i.sstatic.net/RbXD6m.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/RbXD6.jpg)

Yesterday I was practicing with an iTalki teacher, and in describing the above comic I said:

> 他把椅子站在上面。

I meant "he stood on the chair". The tutor said that's not correct, and I should say

> 他站在椅子上面。

He wasn't able to give me a precise explanation on the spot, but I asked him if I could say words to the effect of

> 他把椅子拖进来，然后站在上面。

And he said that was okay. (I'm not completely sure I remember it correctly.)

**Question**: What is wrong with 他把椅子站在上面?

(PS. This is not the same question as [Why is "他在椅子上坐" wrong?](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/q/16434/8099;) here I use 把 grammar, while this similar question does not.)

**Tags:** grammar

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Considering: 他把椅子拖进来，然后(他)站在(椅子)上面。  
> **username_2**: 说的人多了就正确了。说的人少了就错误了。  

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## 6 answers

### Answer by username_9 on 2022-07-01. Score: 8 | Accepted answer

把 is a disposive marker. It marks the object that's to be disposed of. You need a verb that can dispose of objects

Example:

把椅子燒掉 = take the chair and burn it (the verb 'burn' can dispose of the object 'chair') [O]

把椅子打碎 = take the chair and break it (the verb 'break' can dispose of the object 'chair')[O]

把椅子站 = take the chair and stand (the verb 'stand' can't dispose of the object 'chair')[X]

> 他把椅子站在上面 is ungrammatical

> 他把椅子放在上面 is grammatical because the verb 'put' can dispose of the object 'chair'

> 他把椅子(拉出來)站在上面 would be grammatical because the verb 'pull out' can dispose of the object 'chair'

> **Comments:**
> **username_10**: This seems like pretty fundamental information about 把, it's a pity it's not widely shared with students. Just wondering, do you have a reference for this very helpful information?  
> **username_9**: @username_10 [把](https://cantoneseplus.com/character/420)  [3] [國] [prep] used before a direct object and a verb to convey the sense of disposal  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2022-07-01. Score: 2

The problem is the use of
把:

When you use 把 before a noun, the chair is standing 在上面.

So, he is not indicated to stand 在上面.

If you would like to indicate that he stands, you should put the 站 after him (he).


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### Answer by username_4 on 2022-07-12. Score: 2

把 means to have something done or to let/make.

For example, 把手洗了 = 洗手, meaning to have your hands washed or to wash your hand.

Here 把椅子站在上面，it could only mean let/make the chair stand up there, instead of stand on the chair. The difference here is that stand is an intransitive verb, and the noun following it could only be a subject instead of an object while the verb wash is a transitive verb, and you could express it in both ways.


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### Answer by username_5 on 2022-07-07. Score: 1

x他把椅子站在上面

✔️他坐在椅子下面

✔️他站在椅子上面

✔️他把椅子放好,站在上面

.....


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### Answer by username_6 on 2022-07-01. Score: 0

Let's make the lines of the story:

* 他想敲碎這面鏡子,可是這鏡子太高了,"所以他找了**ㄧ把**椅子站在上面...". The last phrase can also be constructed as "所以他站在**ㄧ把**找來的椅子上面...".

Note that both contain the expression in your thought - "he stood on the chair". And, in both, 把 is used as a "measure word(量词)", similar to "ㄧ張", "ㄧ個".....

Now, let's see what 把 means/does in the pattern of 他把...

* 他**把事情**搞砸了 = He failed **the thing**.
* 他**把我**搞糊塗了 = He confused **me**, or He **made me** confusing.
* 他**把椅子**放在鏡子前 = He placed **the chair** in front of the mirror, ...

In the examples above, 把 always associates with an action (搞 and 放 respectively) that causes/triggers an effect (砸了,糊塗了,在..前) on the object (事情,我,椅子) following it. The full sentence of the last example can be:

* 他**把椅子**放在鏡子前,然後站在**那把椅子**上面. This includes both the pattern "他把" and the measure word "那(一)把", as described in the beginning.

**What is wrong with 他把椅子站在上面?**

**Grammatically no mistake**, but it does not reflect the thought you wanted to express - "He stood on the chair". Instead, it vaguely says "He placed the chair on top" (on top of what?), which can be improved by adding an object after 在 - "他把椅子站在**桌子**上面", or adding an action - "他把椅子**放好**站在上面 (He stably placed the chair and stood on it).

> **Comments:**
> **username_7**: how is the 量词 meaning of 把 related to the OP's question? why do not you also add the meaning of 把 (bà) in your comments as well? It makes no sense to just search the web/dict and list whatever you know/find out. Please answer to the point of the question.  

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### Answer by username_8 on 2022-07-01. Score: 0

What is the "problem" with using 把 in the context of the comic?

(A) 他站在椅子上面:-

他 --- He

站在 --- stood on

椅子上面 --- on the chair.

(B) 他把椅子站在上面:-

他 --- He

把 --- let / put

椅子 --- the chair

站在上面 --- (to) stand up there.

Explanation:-

Both sentences are grammatically correct following the "SVO" structure but differ radically in meaning, (though (B) is structurally awkward)

In 他站在椅子上面:-

他 --- He (Subject)

站在 --- stood on (Verb)

椅子上面 --- on the chair (Object)

In 他把椅子站在上面:-

他 --- He (Subject)

把椅子站在 --- let / put the chair (to) stand (Verb)

上面 --- up there (Object)

Therefore the semantic confusion revolves around exactly "who" or "what" is doing the "standing"; the "He" or the "Chair"?

Finally, with regards to 上面, there is a semantic shift between the two sentences. In (A), it means "on the", in (B), it means "up there"


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