<p>One advantage of Mandarin is that (due to the massive number of speakers) it will be useful beyond the one week that you will be in Taiwan.</p>

<p>Something else you might want to consider is learning a bit of both. With Hokkien being a dialect, progress you make with one may also extend to the other.</p>

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It's a language, not a dialect. Taiwanese is more distant from Mandarin linguistically than English is from Portuguese.
Mark Wilbur
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I would say that just because it's called a "dialect", it's unlikely to help you much, especially at the "several weeks" level. Cross-dialect transfer is much more prominent in highly formal vocabulary once you have a strong understanding of phonetic correspondences.
Stumpy Joe Pete
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For a beginner, I would say that just the fact that some of the characters are shared (even though Hokkien has some of its own) will provide a lot of help with learning one once you already know some of the other.
James
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If you're "weeks" into it, you're probably just going to learn high-frequency casual spoken stuff. And that tends to differ between the Chinese languages much more than formal stuff (which usually has the same characters, and at that point you'll probably understand the phonetic correspondences better).
Stumpy Joe Pete
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James
<p>For a week?  I'm really interested in Chinese but I'd say don't even bother unless you plan on continuing after the trip.  If you must, get yourself a phrasebook with tape or CD.  There's got to be an app for that too.  Have a good trip!</p>

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Spoken Mandarin  and Hokkien or Fujien are virtually two different languages. Both require more than a few weeks to be proficient at, even at the fundamental level. There are actually some variance in Hokkien as spoken by Hokkien people in Fujien province, Taiwan, Singapore and Penang, (Malaysia) owing to historical separation and local linguistic influences.
Wayne Cheah
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user3131341
<p>If you're only going one week, just learn some Mandarin.</p>

<p>The advantages of learning Mandarin is that there are a lot of free resources, cheap and useful phrase books, and most people you will run into will understand Mandarin.</p>

<p>I've been studying Minnanhua (spoken in Fujian and pretty much mutually intelligible with Taiwanese) for about a year and I struggle with a couple of main obstacles:</p>

<ul>
<li>The pronunciation is tough for English speakers. Lots of labial and glottal nonsense. I haven't counted the differences.</li>
<li>Pinyin is tough to figure out and there are two camps, there is a Xiamen University pinyin which favors consonants, and Peh-oe-ji, which was invented by missionaries in Taiwan.</li>
<li>There are more tones than Mandarin. Also some tones rules are not clearly expressed (some tones are based on pronunciation, for example if it ends in &lt;-n>; &lt;-m>, &lt;-ng> then the word is tone 1)</li>
<li>Native speakers won't let me practice, they will often switch to Mandarin.</li>
</ul>

<p>Have a good trip.</p>

<p>Also you can check out:</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%CC%8Dh-%C5%8De-j%C4%AB">Peh-oe-ji</a></p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkien_dialect">Hokkien</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.learnhokkien.com/lesson_01.htm">Learn Hokkien</a></p>

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Pe̍h-ōe-jī isn't common in Taiwan. They uesed Mandarin word to write Hokkien there.
Clay Hsu
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It sounds like Fujian is quite a bit different! In my experience in Taiwan, natives used to switch from Mandarin to English when speaking with me until my accent was very good and I was able to comfortably handle a Mandarin-language workplace.

With Taiwanese, people are often thrilled I can speak any at all and are very happy to help me practice or learn a phrase.
Mark Wilbur
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+1 for useful information, and also being unbiased enough to not just advocate the dialect that you're currently learning.
Golden Cuy
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tao
<p>I'm planning on visiting Taiwan as a tourist for about one week next year. Both <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Taiwan" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> and <a href="http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Taiwan#Talk" rel="nofollow">Wikivoyage</a> say that Mandarin Chinese and Taiwanese Hokkien are common languages there.</p>

<p>What advantages and disadvantages do the two languages have? Is one language easier than the other for a lazy person who only wants to learn a few phrases? Are both of them tonal? How many sounds that don't exist in English are there in the two languages? Does Mandarin Chinese have more learning resources in English-speaking countries like Australia?</p>

<p>(In my case, I'm a native speaker of English, and speak enough Japanese to get around as a tourist in Japan and have a little bit of a conversation)</p>

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@hippietrail what does the tag "Taiwanese" mean?
Golden Cuy
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@AndrewGrimm: Exactly. It's a poorly thought out tag that was here before I arrived. I started [a meta topic about it](http://meta.chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/327) but nobody joined in yet. In this case though I thought it must be intended to mean "The Taiwanese language" apart from Mandarin, which is more adequately called Hokkien. On it's own "Taiwanese" is just too ambiguous I think.
hippietrail
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@hippietrail I think it means "something that related to Taiwan" as in American/British/etc.
Pete C.
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It's not a "dialect", Stan. It's a language. In fact, it's much closer to classical Chinese than Mandarin is. Tang poetry more often rhymes in Taiwanese/Hokkien than in Mandarin.
Mark Wilbur
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2013-06-21T10:21:33.490Z
I suggest you learn Mandarin Chinese. Hokkien is a dialect, mainly used in Taiwan and Fujian Province -- as Hokkien is very different from Mandarin Chinese, most Chinese people don't understand it. But if you know Madarin, you can easily travel around whole China without language barrier. Furthermore, of course, learning resources of Mandarin are much more than Hokkien. BTW, you know Japanese, that's good, because many Taiwanese know Japanese too.
Stan
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Difference between learning Mandarin Chinese and Taiwanese Hokkien for visiting Taiwan
# Difference between learning Mandarin Chinese and Taiwanese Hokkien for visiting Taiwan

(Asked by: username_0 on 2013-06-21)

I'm planning on visiting Taiwan as a tourist for about one week next year. Both [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Taiwan) and [Wikivoyage](http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Taiwan#Talk) say that Mandarin Chinese and Taiwanese Hokkien are common languages there.

What advantages and disadvantages do the two languages have? Is one language easier than the other for a lazy person who only wants to learn a few phrases? Are both of them tonal? How many sounds that don't exist in English are there in the two languages? Does Mandarin Chinese have more learning resources in English-speaking countries like Australia?

(In my case, I'm a native speaker of English, and speak enough Japanese to get around as a tourist in Japan and have a little bit of a conversation)

**Tags:** mandarin, topolect, learning, hokkien, taiwanese

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: I suggest you learn Mandarin Chinese. Hokkien is a dialect, mainly used in Taiwan and Fujian Province -- as Hokkien is very different from Mandarin Chinese, most Chinese people don't understand it. But if you know Madarin, you can easily travel around whole China without language barrier. Furthermore, of course, learning resources of Mandarin are much more than Hokkien. BTW, you know Japanese, that's good, because many Taiwanese know Japanese too.  
> **username_0**: @username_1 what does the tag "Taiwanese" mean?  
> **username_1**: @AndrewGrimm: Exactly. It's a poorly thought out tag that was here before I arrived. I started [a meta topic about it](http://meta.chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/327) but nobody joined in yet. In this case though I thought it must be intended to mean "The Taiwanese language" apart from Mandarin, which is more adequately called Hokkien. On it's own "Taiwanese" is just too ambiguous I think.  
> **username_2**: @username_1 I think it means "something that related to Taiwan" as in American/British/etc.  
> **username_3**: It's not a "dialect", username_4. It's a language. In fact, it's much closer to classical Chinese than Mandarin is. Tang poetry more often rhymes in Taiwanese/Hokkien than in Mandarin.  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_9 on 2013-06-21. Score: 13 | Accepted answer

If you're only going one week, just learn some Mandarin.

The advantages of learning Mandarin is that there are a lot of free resources, cheap and useful phrase books, and most people you will run into will understand Mandarin.

I've been studying Minnanhua (spoken in Fujian and pretty much mutually intelligible with Taiwanese) for about a year and I struggle with a couple of main obstacles:

* The pronunciation is tough for English speakers. Lots of labial and glottal nonsense. I haven't counted the differences.
* Pinyin is tough to figure out and there are two camps, there is a Xiamen University pinyin which favors consonants, and Peh-oe-ji, which was invented by missionaries in Taiwan.
* There are more tones than Mandarin. Also some tones rules are not clearly expressed (some tones are based on pronunciation, for example if it ends in <-n>; <-m>, <-ng> then the word is tone 1)
* Native speakers won't let me practice, they will often switch to Mandarin.

Have a good trip.

Also you can check out:

[Peh-oe-ji](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%CC%8Dh-%C5%8De-j%C4%AB)

[Hokkien](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkien_dialect)

[Learn Hokkien](http://www.learnhokkien.com/lesson_01.htm)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: +1 for useful information, and also being unbiased enough to not just advocate the dialect that you're currently learning.  
> **username_10**: Pe̍h-ōe-jī isn't common in Taiwan. They uesed Mandarin word to write Hokkien there.  
> **username_3**: It sounds like Fujian is quite a bit different! In my experience in Taiwan, natives used to switch from Mandarin to English when speaking with me until my accent was very good and I was able to comfortably handle a Mandarin-language workplace.  With Taiwanese, people are often thrilled I can speak any at all and are very happy to help me practice or learn a phrase.  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2013-06-22. Score: 0

One advantage of Mandarin is that (due to the massive number of speakers) it will be useful beyond the one week that you will be in Taiwan.

Something else you might want to consider is learning a bit of both. With Hokkien being a dialect, progress you make with one may also extend to the other.

> **Comments:**
> **username_6**: I would say that just because it's called a "dialect", it's unlikely to help you much, especially at the "several weeks" level. Cross-dialect transfer is much more prominent in highly formal vocabulary once you have a strong understanding of phonetic correspondences.  
> **username_5**: For a beginner, I would say that just the fact that some of the characters are shared (even though Hokkien has some of its own) will provide a lot of help with learning one once you already know some of the other.  
> **username_6**: If you're "weeks" into it, you're probably just going to learn high-frequency casual spoken stuff. And that tends to differ between the Chinese languages much more than formal stuff (which usually has the same characters, and at that point you'll probably understand the phonetic correspondences better).  
> **username_3**: It's a language, not a dialect. Taiwanese is more distant from Mandarin linguistically than English is from Portuguese.  

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### Answer by username_7 on 2017-03-31. Score: -1

For a week? I'm really interested in Chinese but I'd say don't even bother unless you plan on continuing after the trip. If you must, get yourself a phrasebook with tape or CD. There's got to be an app for that too. Have a good trip!

> **Comments:**
> **username_8**: Spoken Mandarin  and Hokkien or Fujien are virtually two different languages. Both require more than a few weeks to be proficient at, even at the fundamental level. There are actually some variance in Hokkien as spoken by Hokkien people in Fujien province, Taiwan, Singapore and Penang, (Malaysia) owing to historical separation and local linguistic influences.  

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