<blockquote>
  <p><strong><a href="http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/words/12585/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">无奈</a></strong>' 
  is a compound word, commonly used in day-to-day conversation in modern Chinese. </p>
  
  <p>It made up of '无'(no) and 奈(dealing with)</p>
  
  <p>Meaning:</p>
  
  <p><em>(1) cannot help it; to have no alternative; to have no choice</em></p>
</blockquote>

<p>~</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><a href="http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/characters/1693/" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><strong>奈</strong></a> is a classical (archaic) term for '处理'; '应付'(deal with)</p>
  
  <p>Meaning:</p>
  
  <p><em>(1) <strong>deal with</strong>; <strong>cope with</em></strong></p>
</blockquote>

<p>Examples of 奈 in sentences:</p>

<ol>
<li><p><strong>奈</strong>之若何 (<strong>deal with</strong> it like how?)</p></li>
<li><p><strong>奈</strong>他不何 (can't <strong>deal with</strong> him whatsoever)</p></li>
</ol>

<blockquote>
  <p><strong>'有奈' is not a term. It doesn't exist.</strong></p>
  
  <p>Some compound word just can't be changed to the opposite by simply replace 「無」 with 「有」</p>
  
  <p>For example:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li><p>The opposite of  「無聊」 is not 「有聊」. It is 「有趣」 or 「有意思」</p></li>
  <li><p>The opposite of  「無稽」 is not 「有稽」. It is 「有根據」</p></li>
  <li><p>The opposite of  「無奈」 is not 「有奈」. It is 「即極」, 「自願」 or 「主動」</p></li>
  </ul>
</blockquote>

<p>~</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><em>Last but not least, what is the meaning to "无可奈何"?</em></p>
</blockquote>

<p>无可(no way to)奈(deal with)何(whatsoever)</p>

<p>"无可奈何" means: "there is no alternative whatsoever; nothing can be done about it"</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>How to use 无奈 and <strong>有奈</strong>?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>It can only be used in tongue in cheek manner for humor --it is kind of funny to think why can't we use 「有奈」 for the opposite term of「無奈」or 「有聊」 for the opposite term of 「無聊」</p>

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<p>I don't think there's either 有奈 or 有耐 in at least modern mainland Chinese.</p>

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<p>《說文解字》似乎並無「奈」之條目。<br>
It seems that 《說文解字》 does not have the entry of 奈.</p>

<p>「奈」由「柰」衍生而來，可能是新造字，也可能是誤寫。「柰」的本義是「果名」，借用為「柰何」，猶言「如何」。後來，分成「柰」表「果名」，而「奈」則專用在「奈何」之類的字詞。<br>
奈 was derived from 柰. It might be a new word, or due to miswriting. The original meaning of 柰 is the name of a fruit. 柰 is then borrowed and used in 柰何, which means 如何 (how; what; what way). Later, in most cases, 柰 represents the fruit name, and 奈 is dedicated in 奈何 and the like words.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>《古汉语常用字字典》</p>
  
  <p>奈 nài<br>
  ① &lt;副> 无奈。 (however; how can one help; how to handle it)<br>
  ② &lt;动> 通“耐”。禁得起；受得住。 (to stand; to bear; to endure)<br>
  ③ &lt;动> 处置；对付。 (to deal with)</p>
</blockquote>

<p>According to this, the 奈 of 无奈 is an adverb, and means "how to handle it" or "with means". Then, 无奈 means "not to know how to handle it" or "without methods".</p>

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  <p>《汉语大词典》</p>
  
  <p>无奈，亦作“无柰”。<br>
  ① 谓无可奈何。 (cannot help it; to have no alternative; to have no choic)<br>
  ② 犹无比。 (incomparable; matchless)<br>
  ③ 犹可惜。 (unfortunately; It's a pity.)</p>
</blockquote>

<p>无奈 may mean 无可奈何 or others. That is why we have two phrases instead of only 无奈. We also prefer different words/phrases to prevent repeats.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>《汉语大词典》</p>
  
  <p>奈何<br>
  ① 怎么，为何。 (why)<br>
  ② 怎么样；怎么办。 (how; how to do)<br>
  ③ 犹言办法。 (method; means; way)<br>
  ④ 谓采取手段、办法整治对方。 (to adopt means or methods to handle others; to do something to others)</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Depending on the context, 奈何 may be an adverb (① and ②), a noun (③) or a verb (④).</p>

<p>If 无可奈何 is a brief term of 不知道该怎么办或不知道如何处理 (do not know how to handle it)，奈何 is ② an adverb phrase.</p>

<p>If 无可奈何 is a brief term of 没有可以用的办法 (there is no way to use it), 奈何 is ③ a noun.</p>

<p>If 无可奈何 is a brief term of 没有办法可以奈何得了他／它 (there is no way to treat him/it...), 奈何 is ④ a verb phrase.</p>

<hr>

<p>无奈我爱你 cannot be accepted as "I can't help to love you".</p>

<p>"I can't help to love you" means 我不能帮着爱你.</p>

<p>"I can't help loving you" means 我不能不爱着你, 我没有办法停止爱你 or 我禁不住地爱着你.</p>

<p>无奈我爱你 may mean 没有办法（改变），我就是爱你 ((there is) no way (to change), I just love you).</p>

<hr>

<p>Although it is not so common, we can still use 有奈. 有奈 is intentionally used as the antonym of 無奈. Thus, they are often used together. Otherwise, many people do not know what 有奈 means.</p>

<p>「<a href="https://read01.com/OmAA6.html" rel="noreferrer">有奈無奈，赤腳跑到五寨</a>」是清朝 康熙年間，雲南 鶴麗鎮 總兵 郝偉（1653—1718）的發跡故事 (the story of 郝偉)。</p>

<p>「<a href="http://www.360doc.com/content/14/0307/08/9613109_358411947.shtml" rel="noreferrer">变无奈为有奈，化奈何为何奈</a>」是一篇文章的標題 (the title of an article)。</p>

<p>「<a href="http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/ch/news/2860094" rel="noreferrer">因為無奈 台灣現在能有奈嗎？</a>」是一則新聞的標題 (a news title)。</p>

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「有奈無奈」; 「变无奈为有奈」; 「因為無奈...能有奈」 are tongue in cheek phrases--   just like 無聊變有聊-- it is kind of funny to think why can't we use 有聊  for the opposite term  of 無聊,
Tang Ho
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Haha! This reminds me of Japanese word 'muda' (無駄), which originally means "no horse", and later becomes "useless".
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<p>The hardest part of Chinese is that one Chinese word has so many definitions. Now take that countless possibilities and combine them into a component word, and the meaning will be impossible to comprehend. First of all, what exactly do 无奈 and 有奈 mean?</p>

<p>To my understanding, 无奈 can be translated into "helpless" or "nothing anyone can do", and I believe 奈 is a verb here, which has a meaning of "deal with", so 无奈 can be translated into "No deal with" or "can't deal with", which is sort of like "helpless". For example, 奈何天 simple means "how to deal with God" or "can't deal with God" (天 has the meaning of God in Chinese). 无奈我爱你 can be accepted as "I can't help to love you"? Correct me if I am wrong.</p>

<p>Then what about 有奈？ Google didn't show a lot of example for it. I think 有耐 can be considered "being very capable" or "helpful"</p>

<p>Last but not least, what is the meaning to "无可奈何"? Again, I believe it's also interpreted simply as "helpless", but why added 可 and 何， when 无奈 does the job just fine？</p>

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Because the word is interchange with people in a vast geographical area, evolve over many years and still in use today. So you cannot mix them freely.  无奈 is not helpless. .
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# 无奈我爱你，How to use 无奈 and 有奈?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-06-19)

The hardest part of Chinese is that one Chinese word has so many definitions. Now take that countless possibilities and combine them into a component word, and the meaning will be impossible to comprehend. First of all, what exactly do 无奈 and 有奈 mean?

To my understanding, 无奈 can be translated into "helpless" or "nothing anyone can do", and I believe 奈 is a verb here, which has a meaning of "deal with", so 无奈 can be translated into "No deal with" or "can't deal with", which is sort of like "helpless". For example, 奈何天 simple means "how to deal with God" or "can't deal with God" (天 has the meaning of God in Chinese). 无奈我爱你 can be accepted as "I can't help to love you"? Correct me if I am wrong.

Then what about 有奈？ Google didn't show a lot of example for it. I think 有耐 can be considered "being very capable" or "helpful"

Last but not least, what is the meaning to "无可奈何"? Again, I believe it's also interpreted simply as "helpless", but why added 可 and 何， when 无奈 does the job just fine？

**Tags:** word-choice, word

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Because the word is interchange with people in a vast geographical area, evolve over many years and still in use today. So you cannot mix them freely.  无奈 is not helpless. .  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2017-06-22. Score: 11 | Accepted answer

《說文解字》似乎並無「奈」之條目。  
It seems that 《說文解字》 does not have the entry of 奈.

「奈」由「柰」衍生而來，可能是新造字，也可能是誤寫。「柰」的本義是「果名」，借用為「柰何」，猶言「如何」。後來，分成「柰」表「果名」，而「奈」則專用在「奈何」之類的字詞。  
奈 was derived from 柰. It might be a new word, or due to miswriting. The original meaning of 柰 is the name of a fruit. 柰 is then borrowed and used in 柰何, which means 如何 (how; what; what way). Later, in most cases, 柰 represents the fruit name, and 奈 is dedicated in 奈何 and the like words.

> 《古汉语常用字字典》
>
> 奈 nài  
> ① <副> 无奈。 (however; how can one help; how to handle it)  
> ② <动> 通“耐”。禁得起；受得住。 (to stand; to bear; to endure)  
> ③ <动> 处置；对付。 (to deal with)

According to this, the 奈 of 无奈 is an adverb, and means "how to handle it" or "with means". Then, 无奈 means "not to know how to handle it" or "without methods".

> 《汉语大词典》
>
> 无奈，亦作“无柰”。  
> ① 谓无可奈何。 (cannot help it; to have no alternative; to have no choic)  
> ② 犹无比。 (incomparable; matchless)  
> ③ 犹可惜。 (unfortunately; It's a pity.)

无奈 may mean 无可奈何 or others. That is why we have two phrases instead of only 无奈. We also prefer different words/phrases to prevent repeats.

> 《汉语大词典》
>
> 奈何  
> ① 怎么，为何。 (why)  
> ② 怎么样；怎么办。 (how; how to do)  
> ③ 犹言办法。 (method; means; way)  
> ④ 谓采取手段、办法整治对方。 (to adopt means or methods to handle others; to do something to others)

Depending on the context, 奈何 may be an adverb (① and ②), a noun (③) or a verb (④).

If 无可奈何 is a brief term of 不知道该怎么办或不知道如何处理 (do not know how to handle it)，奈何 is ② an adverb phrase.

If 无可奈何 is a brief term of 没有可以用的办法 (there is no way to use it), 奈何 is ③ a noun.

If 无可奈何 is a brief term of 没有办法可以奈何得了他／它 (there is no way to treat him/it...), 奈何 is ④ a verb phrase.

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无奈我爱你 cannot be accepted as "I can't help to love you".

"I can't help to love you" means 我不能帮着爱你.

"I can't help loving you" means 我不能不爱着你, 我没有办法停止爱你 or 我禁不住地爱着你.

无奈我爱你 may mean 没有办法（改变），我就是爱你 ((there is) no way (to change), I just love you).

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Although it is not so common, we can still use 有奈. 有奈 is intentionally used as the antonym of 無奈. Thus, they are often used together. Otherwise, many people do not know what 有奈 means.

「[有奈無奈，赤腳跑到五寨](https://read01.com/OmAA6.html)」是清朝 康熙年間，雲南 鶴麗鎮 總兵 郝偉（1653—1718）的發跡故事 (the story of 郝偉)。

「[变无奈为有奈，化奈何为何奈](http://www.360doc.com/content/14/0307/08/9613109_358411947.shtml)」是一篇文章的標題 (the title of an article)。

「[因為無奈 台灣現在能有奈嗎？](http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/ch/news/2860094)」是一則新聞的標題 (a news title)。

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: 「有奈無奈」; 「变无奈为有奈」; 「因為無奈...能有奈」 are tongue in cheek phrases--   just like 無聊變有聊-- it is kind of funny to think why can't we use 有聊  for the opposite term  of 無聊,  
> **username_5**: Haha! This reminds me of Japanese word 'muda' (無駄), which originally means "no horse", and later becomes "useless".  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2017-06-19. Score: 4

> **[无奈](http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/words/12585/)**'
> is a compound word, commonly used in day-to-day conversation in modern Chinese.
>
> It made up of '无'(no) and 奈(dealing with)
>
> Meaning:
>
> *(1) cannot help it; to have no alternative; to have no choice*

~

> [**奈**](http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/characters/1693/) is a classical (archaic) term for '处理'; '应付'(deal with)
>
> Meaning:
>
> *(1) **deal with**; **cope with***

Examples of 奈 in sentences:

1. **奈**之若何 (**deal with** it like how?)
2. **奈**他不何 (can't **deal with** him whatsoever)

> **'有奈' is not a term. It doesn't exist.**
>
> Some compound word just can't be changed to the opposite by simply replace 「無」 with 「有」
>
> For example:
>
> * The opposite of 「無聊」 is not 「有聊」. It is 「有趣」 or 「有意思」
> * The opposite of 「無稽」 is not 「有稽」. It is 「有根據」
> * The opposite of 「無奈」 is not 「有奈」. It is 「即極」, 「自願」 or 「主動」

~

> *Last but not least, what is the meaning to "无可奈何"?*

无可(no way to)奈(deal with)何(whatsoever)

"无可奈何" means: "there is no alternative whatsoever; nothing can be done about it"

> How to use 无奈 and **有奈**?

It can only be used in tongue in cheek manner for humor --it is kind of funny to think why can't we use 「有奈」 for the opposite term of「無奈」or 「有聊」 for the opposite term of 「無聊」


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### Answer by username_3 on 2017-06-19. Score: 1

I don't think there's either 有奈 or 有耐 in at least modern mainland Chinese.

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> **username_1**: This is not an answer and should be put under OP comment.  

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