<p>Here is the entry for 用勿着 in《<a href="http://www.shanghainese.info/download/wugniu/%C9%CF%BA%A3%B7%BD%D1%D4%D4%7E%B5%E4.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">上海方言词典</a>》on p. 304:</p>
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<p>Text:</p>
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<p>【用勿着】<br />
ɦyoŋ˨˧꜖ uə?˥꜒ za?˨˧꜒꜔<br />
⇨ ⟦得⟧ ßiɔ˥꜒ tə?˥꜒꜕</p>
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<p>Tone letter to number translation:</p>
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<p>ɦyoŋ²³⁻¹¹ uə?⁵⁵⁻⁵⁵ za?²³⁻⁵³</p>
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<p>Tone sandhi is usually represented by back-to-back tone letters. So it looks like the corrected tones are:</p>
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<p>ɦyoŋ¹¹ uə?⁵⁵ za?⁵³</p>
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<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, because I have no idea about Shanghainese tones.</p>
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<p>Here's an entry from a second dictionary <a href="http://www.shanghainese.info/download/wugniu/%A1%B6%C9%CF%BA%A3%BB%B0%B4%F3%B4%CA%B5%E4%A1%B7.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">上海话大辞典</a> p. 274</p>
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<p>Text:</p>
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<p>用勿着 ɦioŋ²² vo?⁵⁵ zᴀ?²¹</p>
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2020-06-13T10:14:51.107Z
Are the dictionaries you used more reliable than Wiktionary? I might use them.
Cookie Dough
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2020-06-13T11:18:07.370Z
I always recommend [Pleco](https://www.pleco.com). They have a lot of dictionaries for sale and a lot of free dictionaries that are quite top-notch.
Mou某
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2020-06-13T13:06:50.933Z
I think the first notation with tone sandhi is actually: ɦyoŋ¹¹² uə?⁵⁵ za?⁵³ and it looks like the "original" tones are ɦyoŋ¹³ uə?⁵⁵ za?¹³.
Mou某
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2020-06-13T15:39:08.180Z
Does Pleco work with Wu Chinese?
Cookie Dough
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2020-06-13T15:40:35.433Z
No, not at the moment. You can download those two PDFs I linked above though.
Mou某
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2020-06-13T15:41:09.610Z
Ah bon. Thanks for the help
Cookie Dough
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2020-07-20T22:23:28.410Z
2020-07-20T22:23:28.410Z
Mou某
<p>There isn't a pronunciation for it on Wiktionary, and I don't know whether it is a fossilised or an analysable phrase, so therefore I don't know whether or not right-prominent tone sandhi applies. My guess would be:</p>

<p>/ɦi̯ʊŋ²² v̻əʔ⁵⁵ t͡sa̱ʔ²¹/</p>

<p>if it is a fossilised expression and thus right-prominent tone sandhi doesn't apply. Please tell me if I am correct. Thanks</p>

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How do I pronounce 用勿着 in Shanghainese?
# How do I pronounce 用勿着 in Shanghainese?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-06-10)

There isn't a pronunciation for it on Wiktionary, and I don't know whether it is a fossilised or an analysable phrase, so therefore I don't know whether or not right-prominent tone sandhi applies. My guess would be:

/ɦi̯ʊŋ²² v̻əʔ⁵⁵ t͡sa̱ʔ²¹/

if it is a fossilised expression and thus right-prominent tone sandhi doesn't apply. Please tell me if I am correct. Thanks

**Tags:** pronunciation, phrase, tones, shanghainese, ipa


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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2020-06-10. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

Here is the entry for 用勿着 in《[上海方言词典](http://www.shanghainese.info/download/wugniu/%C9%CF%BA%A3%B7%BD%D1%D4%D4%7E%B5%E4.pdf)》on p. 304:

> [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/ifzFE.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/ifzFE.png)

Text:

> 【用勿着】  
> ɦyoŋ˨˧꜖ uə?˥꜒ za?˨˧꜒꜔  
> ⇨ ⟦得⟧ ßiɔ˥꜒ tə?˥꜒꜕

Tone letter to number translation:

> ɦyoŋ²³⁻¹¹ uə?⁵⁵⁻⁵⁵ za?²³⁻⁵³

Tone sandhi is usually represented by back-to-back tone letters. So it looks like the corrected tones are:

> ɦyoŋ¹¹ uə?⁵⁵ za?⁵³

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I have no idea about Shanghainese tones.

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Here's an entry from a second dictionary [上海话大辞典](http://www.shanghainese.info/download/wugniu/%A1%B6%C9%CF%BA%A3%BB%B0%B4%F3%B4%CA%B5%E4%A1%B7.pdf) p. 274

> [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/mYPuw.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/mYPuw.png)

Text:

> 用勿着 ɦioŋ²² vo?⁵⁵ zᴀ?²¹

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Are the dictionaries you used more reliable than Wiktionary? I might use them.  
> **username_1**: I always recommend [Pleco](https://www.pleco.com). They have a lot of dictionaries for sale and a lot of free dictionaries that are quite top-notch.  
> **username_1**: I think the first notation with tone sandhi is actually: ɦyoŋ¹¹² uə?⁵⁵ za?⁵³ and it looks like the "original" tones are ɦyoŋ¹³ uə?⁵⁵ za?¹³.  
> **username_0**: Does Pleco work with Wu Chinese?  
> **username_1**: No, not at the moment. You can download those two PDFs I linked above though.  
> **username_0**: Ah bon. Thanks for the help  

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