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<p>【即使】jíshǐ ..... 也可以是与既成事实相反的事情。</p>
</blockquote>
<ol>
<li><p>即使 (despite)</p>
</li>
<li><p>action: 每日坐</p>
</li>
<li><p><em>(仍) still</em></p>
</li>
<li><p>result: 离劳动不遥远</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>We expect the result of <strong>sit every day</strong> to be <strong>far away from labor</strong></p>
<p>Despite the action '每日坐',  which should yield the result of 离劳动遥远, we got the opposite result of '离劳动不遥远'</p>
<p>[即使] 我们每日坐在教室里 (仍) 离劳动不遥远 = [虽然] 我们每日坐在教室里 (卻) 离劳动不遥远</p>

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Tang Ho
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<p>作为学生，我们每日坐在教室里学习，但即使这样，“劳动”离我们也并不遥远。</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Colloquially, your sentence is ok.  However it's not a good writing.  即使 is usually used when the condition is opposite to the fact.  E. g.  即使他在，我也会这么说。(it implies <em><strong>he is actually not here</strong></em>) If he is truly there, we would say: 虽然他在场，但我还是这么说了。</p>
<p>So your sentence can be improved like this:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>作为学生，虽然我们每日坐在教室里学习，但“劳动”离我们并不遥远。</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Compare this two sentences:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>即使我付出了真心，他也不在乎。// imply I didn't 付出了真心.</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>虽然我付出了真心，但他也不在乎。// imply I did 付出了真心.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Hope this could help.</p>

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dan
<p>I'm a Chinese native, but even though I can't figure out the differences between <code>虽然</code> and <code>即使</code> clearly.<br />
Here're definitions of these two words in <em>现代汉语词典 (Modern Chinese Dictionary)</em> (Edition VI).</p>
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<p><strong>【虽然】suīrán</strong><br />
<em>连词.</em> 用在上半句，下半句往往有“可是、但是”与它呼应，表示承认甲事为事实，但乙事不因为甲事而成立。<br />
<em>Conj.</em> Used in the first half of the sentence, the second half of the sentence often has &quot;but&quot; to correspond it, expressing the recognition that matter A is a fact, but matter B is not established by matter A.</p>
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<p><strong>【即使】jíshǐ</strong><br />
<em>连词.</em> 表示假设的让步。<code>注意</code>“即使”所表示的条件，可以是<strong>尚未实现</strong>的事情，也可以是与既成<strong>事实相反</strong>的事情。<br />
<em>Conj.</em> Represents a concession of assumptions. <code>Note</code> The condition of &quot;即使&quot; can be something that has <strong>not yet been realized</strong>, or it can be the <strong>opposite of a fact</strong>.</p>
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<p>However, I was writing a composition for school and came across the following expression:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>作为学生，我们<em>每日坐在教室里学习</em>，但<strong>即使</strong>这样，“劳动”离我们也并不遥远。<br />
As students, we <em>study in the classrooms every day</em>. (but) <strong>Even though</strong>, &quot;labour&quot; isn't far from us.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I am suspecious about whether I used <code>即使</code> correctly. <em>每日坐在教室里学习 (study in the classrooms every day)</em> is a fact, so according to dictionary definition, I ought to use <code>虽然</code>, but <code>即使</code> is widely spoken and I feel it's right, judging from the <em>feeling for language</em> (<em>语感</em>, I'm not sure if I got the right translation). So what exactly should I use in this sentence?</p>

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虽然 is for the indicative mood. 即使 is for the subjunctive mood.
Victor
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Confusions about 虽然 and 即使
# Confusions about 虽然 and 即使

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-11-22)

I'm a Chinese native, but even though I can't figure out the differences between `虽然` and `即使` clearly.  
Here're definitions of these two words in *现代汉语词典 (Modern Chinese Dictionary)* (Edition VI).

> **【虽然】suīrán**  
> *连词.* 用在上半句，下半句往往有“可是、但是”与它呼应，表示承认甲事为事实，但乙事不因为甲事而成立。  
> *Conj.* Used in the first half of the sentence, the second half of the sentence often has "but" to correspond it, expressing the recognition that matter A is a fact, but matter B is not established by matter A.

> **【即使】jíshǐ**  
> *连词.* 表示假设的让步。`注意`“即使”所表示的条件，可以是**尚未实现**的事情，也可以是与既成**事实相反**的事情。  
> *Conj.* Represents a concession of assumptions. `Note` The condition of "即使" can be something that has **not yet been realized**, or it can be the **opposite of a fact**.

However, I was writing a composition for school and came across the following expression:

> 作为学生，我们*每日坐在教室里学习*，但**即使**这样，“劳动”离我们也并不遥远。  
> As students, we *study in the classrooms every day*. (but) **Even though**, "labour" isn't far from us.

I am suspecious about whether I used `即使` correctly. *每日坐在教室里学习 (study in the classrooms every day)* is a fact, so according to dictionary definition, I ought to use `虽然`, but `即使` is widely spoken and I feel it's right, judging from the *feeling for language* (*语感*, I'm not sure if I got the right translation). So what exactly should I use in this sentence?

**Tags:** word-choice, usage, word

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: 虽然 is for the indicative mood. 即使 is for the subjunctive mood.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2020-11-22. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

> 作为学生，我们每日坐在教室里学习，但即使这样，“劳动”离我们也并不遥远。

Colloquially, your sentence is ok. However it's not a good writing. 即使 is usually used when the condition is opposite to the fact. E. g. 即使他在，我也会这么说。(it implies ***he is actually not here***) If he is truly there, we would say: 虽然他在场，但我还是这么说了。

So your sentence can be improved like this:

> 作为学生，虽然我们每日坐在教室里学习，但“劳动”离我们并不遥远。

Compare this two sentences:

> 即使我付出了真心，他也不在乎。// imply I didn't 付出了真心.

> 虽然我付出了真心，但他也不在乎。// imply I did 付出了真心.

Hope this could help.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2020-11-22. Score: 1

> 【即使】jíshǐ ..... 也可以是与既成事实相反的事情。

1. 即使 (despite)
2. action: 每日坐
3. *(仍) still*
4. result: 离劳动不遥远

We expect the result of **sit every day** to be **far away from labor**

Despite the action '每日坐', which should yield the result of 离劳动遥远, we got the opposite result of '离劳动不遥远'

[即使] 我们每日坐在教室里 (仍) 离劳动不遥远 = [虽然] 我们每日坐在教室里 (卻) 离劳动不遥远


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