<p>Your translation is precise.</p>
<p>In my opinion, 了 here emphasises that the affair 职务没了 HAS occurred. Consider the following variation.</p>
<p>没有职务，王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。</p>
<p>I would say that's also OK.</p>
<p>没有职务了——王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。</p>
<p>This is also good. “没有职务了” sounds like a speech from 王建男, so I prefer to use a 破折号（——）.</p>
<p>Last but not least, I agree with Romanazzi that 了 can be used in conjunction with 没 - a view as a native speaker without grammar knowledge.</p>

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<p>The difference is the &quot;simple present tense&quot; vs the &quot;past tense&quot;. Also, the meaning differs:</p>
<p>没有了职务 - lost one's duty for work.</p>
<p>没有职务 - one has no assigned duty of work.</p>

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<p>没有了职务，王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。</p>
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<p>As @dan said in the comment, here 没 is not the negation of 了, but of the verb 有.</p>
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<p>we don't use 了 in conjunction with 没</p>
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<p>That is true (with only a few exceptions) if the structure of the sentence is 没(有)+Verb. But in our case, 有 is the verb and the structure is Verb+Noun.</p>
<p>More examples:</p>
<p>一时吓得他<strong>没有了</strong>主意。<br />
扬声器<strong>没有了</strong>声音。</p>

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<p><strong>没有了职务</strong>，王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。<br />
<sub>HSK6上 Standard Course, chapter 14, page 136 (<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/NwGJr.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer">original</a>)</sub></p>
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<p>This violates the rule of thumb: we don't use 了 in conjunction with 没 (see e.g. <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/36046/a-verb-negated-with-%E6%B2%A1-%E6%B2%A1%E6%9C%89-cannot-be-suffixed-with-%E4%BA%86-is-this-true">A verb negated with 没 / 没有 cannot be suffixed with 了. Is this true?</a>).  It appears to be some kind of exceptional usage.  It means something in the ballpark of:</p>
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<p>Now that he doesn't have a job, it's like Wang Jiannan has been released from his state of bondage, completely relaxed.</p>
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<p>I'm wondering if there's a grammar rule or some explanation behind this 了 usage.</p>
<p><strong>Question</strong>: How is 了 being used in 没有了职务?</p>

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This example reminds me of the phrases like xxx没有了 or 没有了xxx. E. g. 饭没有了。没有了你，我该怎么办。It's just a completion 了, denoting something has been done or gone. Perhaps the previous discussion is focusing on A 'VERB' negated with 没/没有. In this case, we don't have the verb. That's the difference I guess. as in 我今天没吃早饭， where we have a verb 吃.
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How is 了 being used in 没有了职务?
# How is 了 being used in 没有了职务?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-07-21)

> **没有了职务**，王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。  
> HSK6上 Standard Course, chapter 14, page 136 ([original](https://i.sstatic.net/NwGJr.jpg))

This violates the rule of thumb: we don't use 了 in conjunction with 没 (see e.g. [A verb negated with 没 / 没有 cannot be suffixed with 了. Is this true?](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/36046/a-verb-negated-with-%E6%B2%A1-%E6%B2%A1%E6%9C%89-cannot-be-suffixed-with-%E4%BA%86-is-this-true)). It appears to be some kind of exceptional usage. It means something in the ballpark of:

> Now that he doesn't have a job, it's like Wang Jiannan has been released from his state of bondage, completely relaxed.

I'm wondering if there's a grammar rule or some explanation behind this 了 usage.

**Question**: How is 了 being used in 没有了职务?

**Tags:** grammar, particles

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: This example reminds me of the phrases like xxx没有了 or 没有了xxx. E. g. 饭没有了。没有了你，我该怎么办。It's just a completion 了, denoting something has been done or gone. Perhaps the previous discussion is focusing on A 'VERB' negated with 没/没有. In this case, we don't have the verb. That's the difference I guess. as in 我今天没吃早饭， where we have a verb 吃.  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2021-07-21. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Your translation is precise.

In my opinion, 了 here emphasises that the affair 职务没了 HAS occurred. Consider the following variation.

没有职务，王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。

I would say that's also OK.

没有职务了——王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。

This is also good. “没有职务了” sounds like a speech from 王建男, so I prefer to use a 破折号（——）.

Last but not least, I agree with Romanazzi that 了 can be used in conjunction with 没 - a view as a native speaker without grammar knowledge.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2021-07-21. Score: 1

The difference is the "simple present tense" vs the "past tense". Also, the meaning differs:

没有了职务 - lost one's duty for work.

没有职务 - one has no assigned duty of work.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2021-07-21. Score: 1

> 没有了职务，王建男像是从捆绑状态中被释放出来，一身轻松。

As @username_1 said in the comment, here 没 is not the negation of 了, but of the verb 有.

> we don't use 了 in conjunction with 没

That is true (with only a few exceptions) if the structure of the sentence is 没(有)+Verb. But in our case, 有 is the verb and the structure is Verb+Noun.

More examples:

一时吓得他**没有了**主意。  
扬声器**没有了**声音。


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