<p>I prefer 混=不分，to not differ. 混洞=朦胧，hazy. Note that 混 usually denotes the concept of <em>to mix something</em> in daily usage.</p>
<p>Here is the most relevant literature I can find. Excerpt from 中國道教大辭典 <a href="https://homeinmists.ilotus.org/DaoD/orgpage.php?v=2&amp;page=1056" rel="nofollow noreferrer">p1056</a>,</p>
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<p><strong>混洞太無元</strong></p>
<p>指天地未生前的一種狀態。《洞玄靈寳自然九天生神章經解義》：混洞太無元者，<strong>混以不分為義，洞以虛通為義</strong>，太以極大為義，無以真空爲義。此明大道之本體，渾淪洞徹先天地生，而實無形體之可即，故曰混沌太無也。</p>
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<p>where 混 denotes the meaning of 不分 / not differing, 洞 denotes the meaning of 虚通 / vaguely connecting. It is an unofficial translation since I can't find the English version of this book.</p>
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<p>这幽暗混洞才感觉到有些‘撑’</p>
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<p>IMO you can translate 混洞 into hazy as an adj. parallel with 幽暗, since 洞 contains the meaning of vague / hazy and 混 of confusing / ambiguous.</p>

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<p>I am working on a wiki for a Chinese web novel, and the author uses the term 混洞. I don't have a lot of context, because 混 is repeatedly used as a descriptor. For example, here's a sentence - 这幽暗混洞才感觉到有些‘撑’</p>
<p>People have been using machine translations, etc. and translating it as Chaos Hole, but I'm not quite confident that's the actual translation. Was hoping for some help here; for additional context, the author does use '混沌' repeatedly, which is another reason that I don't think he means chaos hole when he says 混洞. Thanks!</p>

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No, 混沌 is a specific noun that cannot be shortened in any form
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If you post a paragraph or 2 of this wiki text, or a link to it, I think it would be easier to give an answer. Wiki is really not very reliable!
Pedroski
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Thanks, I was thinking it shouldn't be shortened! Sorry, so I'm working on the wiki, but it's for a web novel...I'll paste a bit below (this is from Swallowed Star 2)

罗峰一念起，顿时体内开辟出一幽暗混洞，在开辟世界方面，罗峰经验已经非常丰富了。以‘混天分支’为根基，开辟更是简单。

大量能量涌入幽暗混洞内，形成一缕缕刀光，这无数刀光蕴含生命之源、生命灵性，不断汇聚凝练。

仅仅片刻，便是难以计数的刀光涌入其中，罗峰在无限空间的这一具身体的能量储备都消耗了三分之一，这幽暗混洞才感觉到有些‘撑’。

“成了。”

罗峰感应到，此刻在幽暗混洞内孕育出了一道无比凝练的‘刀光’。这一道刀光，罗峰仅仅看到都有些心惊肉跳。

无尽锋芒！
Bob Jones
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Is 混 ever used as shorthand for 混沌?
# Is 混 ever used as shorthand for 混沌?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2024-12-27)

I am working on a wiki for a Chinese web novel, and the author uses the term 混洞. I don't have a lot of context, because 混 is repeatedly used as a descriptor. For example, here's a sentence - 这幽暗混洞才感觉到有些‘撑’

People have been using machine translations, etc. and translating it as Chaos Hole, but I'm not quite confident that's the actual translation. Was hoping for some help here; for additional context, the author does use '混沌' repeatedly, which is another reason that I don't think he means chaos hole when he says 混洞. Thanks!

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> **username_1**: No, 混沌 is a specific noun that cannot be shortened in any form  
> **username_2**: If you post a paragraph or 2 of this wiki text, or a link to it, I think it would be easier to give an answer. Wiki is really not very reliable!  
> **username_0**: Thanks, I was thinking it shouldn't be shortened! Sorry, so I'm working on the wiki, but it's for a web novel...I'll paste a bit below (this is from Swallowed Star 2)  罗峰一念起，顿时体内开辟出一幽暗混洞，在开辟世界方面，罗峰经验已经非常丰富了。以‘混天分支’为根基，开辟更是简单。  大量能量涌入幽暗混洞内，形成一缕缕刀光，这无数刀光蕴含生命之源、生命灵性，不断汇聚凝练。  仅仅片刻，便是难以计数的刀光涌入其中，罗峰在无限空间的这一具身体的能量储备都消耗了三分之一，这幽暗混洞才感觉到有些‘撑’。  “成了。”  罗峰感应到，此刻在幽暗混洞内孕育出了一道无比凝练的‘刀光’。这一道刀光，罗峰仅仅看到都有些心惊肉跳。  无尽锋芒！  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2024-12-27. Score: 0

I prefer 混=不分，to not differ. 混洞=朦胧，hazy. Note that 混 usually denotes the concept of *to mix something* in daily usage.

Here is the most relevant literature I can find. Excerpt from 中國道教大辭典 [p1056](https://homeinmists.ilotus.org/DaoD/orgpage.php?v=2&page=1056),

> **混洞太無元**
>
> 指天地未生前的一種狀態。《洞玄靈寳自然九天生神章經解義》：混洞太無元者，**混以不分為義，洞以虛通為義**，太以極大為義，無以真空爲義。此明大道之本體，渾淪洞徹先天地生，而實無形體之可即，故曰混沌太無也。

where 混 denotes the meaning of 不分 / not differing, 洞 denotes the meaning of 虚通 / vaguely connecting. It is an unofficial translation since I can't find the English version of this book.

> 这幽暗混洞才感觉到有些‘撑’

IMO you can translate 混洞 into hazy as an adj. parallel with 幽暗, since 洞 contains the meaning of vague / hazy and 混 of confusing / ambiguous.


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