<p>Hong Kong people speak <strong>colloquial Cantonese</strong>, and write  <strong>Standard written Chinese</strong>  (SWC)</p>
<p>Just like Cantonese, Mandarin is a dialect. Both terms refer to spoken words only. The different between <strong>colloquial Mandarin</strong> and SWC is very small</p>
<p>Let me give you some examples</p>
<p>First the one with more commonality between all form:</p>
<p>(Mandarin): 我是中國人</p>
<p>(SWC): 我是中國人</p>
<p>(Cantonese): 我係中國人</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>Then the more localized phrases</p>
<p>(Mandarin): 光說不練</p>
<p>(SWC): 祇說不做</p>
<p>(colloquial and written Cantonese): 淨係講唔去做/ 得把口</p>
<p>We use written Cantonese like &quot;得把口&quot; only in casual content like comic, gossip column or web chat. For official documents and formal text like news report or homework, we all use SWC</p>
<p>All Cantonese speakers acquired the ability to translate colloquial Cantonese to SWC in real time since childhood, and it had became a second nature to us.</p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>If you wrote '我是中國人' on paper, I can choose to read it:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>as SWC, and <strong>read</strong> '我是中國人'(ngo5 si6 zung1 gwok3 jan4)</p>
</li>
<li><p>as colloquial Cantonese and <strong>say</strong> '我係中國人'(ngo5 hai6 zung1 gwok3 jan4)</p>
</li>
<li><p>as colloquial Mandarin and <strong>say</strong> '我是中國人' (wo3 shi4  zhong1 guo2 ren2 ) <em>if I know Mandarin and choose to read it as Mandarin</em></p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>The fact is, Cantonese speech is the mix of colloquial Cantonese, classical written phrase (including frequent use of idioms) and Standard written Chinese</p>
<p>Example:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>你噉做仲唔係借題發揮?</p>
<p>你噉做仲唔係 (colloquial Cantonese)</p>
<p>借題發揮 (idiom)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Translate it to SWC or Mandarin would be &quot;你這樣做還不是借題發揮?&quot;</p>
<p>Japanese using Chinese characters (kanji) do have knowledge of the meaning of those character, but they don't need to know the original Chinese pinyin. They use their Japanese pronunciations to read those kanji instead</p>

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<p>Yes, Hong Kong Chinese-literate people write and have knowledge of Standard Chinese ("Mandarin") when writing documents and homework, in Traditional Chinese (as the standard characters) of course.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>No, ancient Japanese didn't work this way. Japanese people used Classical Chinese as the official writing standard, and either spoke some dialect of Middle Chinese when reciting it or (more commonly) translated it into Japanese before recitation.</p>
  
  <p>Only Japanese Buddhist monks had a tradition of reciting Chinese <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutra" rel="noreferrer"><em>Sutras</em></a> (<strong>經</strong>) in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji#On&#39;yomi_(Sino-Japanese_reading)" rel="noreferrer"><em>On'yomi</em></a> - the result is generally incomprehensible to both Chinese and Japanese people, as can be heard <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybBfNAweX1Y&amp;t=1m11s" rel="noreferrer">here</a>.</p>
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<p>The written language shared across all Chinese-using regions is called <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/%E7%8F%BE%E4%BB%A3%E6%A8%99%E6%BA%96%E6%BC%A2%E8%AA%9E" rel="noreferrer">現代標準漢語</a> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Chinese" rel="noreferrer">Modern Standard Chinese</a>; MSC). In its written form, the grammar and vocabulary is heavily based on a refined topolect originating in the area around the Beijing Imperial Court, commonly known as "Mandarin".</p>

<p>MSC is different from and doesn't use colloquialisms from spoken Northern Speech (北方話), which, like all other Chinese topolects, has its own quirks. If slang-heavy colloquial 北方話 is written, other regions wouldn't be able to understand it! The refined, standardised nature of written MSC means that the vocabulary and grammar are very accessible to Chinese-literate people, regardless of mother tongue.</p>

<p>MSC replaced <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese" rel="noreferrer">Classical Chinese</a> (文言) since the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Fourth_Movement" rel="noreferrer">May Fourth Movement</a>. Whereas before, 文言 was pronounced in the mother tongue of the person reciting it, now MSC is pronounced in the mother tongue. In practice, only Hong Kong and Macao recite MSC passages using non-Mandarin in a school setting, as they are the only regions where non-Mandarin (Cantonese) is the <em>de-facto</em> vernacular.</p>

<p>The May Fourth Movement affected <strong>the whole of China</strong>; even though Hong Kong was a British Colony, the Mainland was the official source of Chinese-language education. Educational materials were free-flowing into Hong Kong until 1949 when the Communists kicked the Nationalists out and the British subsequently restricted movement into Hong Kong. Thus, educational written Chinese in Hong Kong schools was based on MSC written materials from Mainland China until 1949, after which Hong Kong had to come up with its own educational materials - which were and are still based on MSC.</p>

<p>Please see <a href="https://www.zhihu.com/question/54414116?fbclid=IwAR3FJp_Ous1wfy0nU8izHLRtV3gEvbRu4hwTd5tsC79-1-jKJRQmuuIkdcQ" rel="noreferrer">香港百姓是從什麼時候開始習得官話白話文的書面表達能力的呢？ - 知乎</a> for a bit more history.</p>

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<p>As far as I know, people in Hong Kong speak Cantonese but use Mandarin when writing official documents or homework using Mandarin. 粤语白话字 is not allowed in such cases.</p>

<p>How does this work? Does this imply that to write language down in such cases need some knowledge of Mandarin(like grammar and character's semantics but not native pronunciation), like ancient Japanese people do?</p>

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How do non-Mandarin speakers type Standard Chinese Writing System?
# How do non-Mandarin speakers type Standard Chinese Writing System?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-11-11)

As far as I know, people in Hong Kong speak Cantonese but use Mandarin when writing official documents or homework using Mandarin. 粤语白话字 is not allowed in such cases.

How does this work? Does this imply that to write language down in such cases need some knowledge of Mandarin(like grammar and character's semantics but not native pronunciation), like ancient Japanese people do?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-11-11. Score: 5 | Accepted answer

Yes, Hong Kong Chinese-literate people write and have knowledge of Standard Chinese ("Mandarin") when writing documents and homework, in Traditional Chinese (as the standard characters) of course.

> No, ancient Japanese didn't work this way. Japanese people used Classical Chinese as the official writing standard, and either spoke some dialect of Middle Chinese when reciting it or (more commonly) translated it into Japanese before recitation.
>
> Only Japanese Buddhist monks had a tradition of reciting Chinese [*Sutras*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutra) (**經**) in [*On'yomi*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji#On'yomi_(Sino-Japanese_reading)) - the result is generally incomprehensible to both Chinese and Japanese people, as can be heard [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybBfNAweX1Y&t=1m11s).

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The written language shared across all Chinese-using regions is called [現代標準漢語](https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/%E7%8F%BE%E4%BB%A3%E6%A8%99%E6%BA%96%E6%BC%A2%E8%AA%9E) ([Modern Standard Chinese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Chinese); MSC). In its written form, the grammar and vocabulary is heavily based on a refined topolect originating in the area around the Beijing Imperial Court, commonly known as "Mandarin".

MSC is different from and doesn't use colloquialisms from spoken Northern Speech (北方話), which, like all other Chinese topolects, has its own quirks. If slang-heavy colloquial 北方話 is written, other regions wouldn't be able to understand it! The refined, standardised nature of written MSC means that the vocabulary and grammar are very accessible to Chinese-literate people, regardless of mother tongue.

MSC replaced [Classical Chinese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Chinese) (文言) since the [May Fourth Movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Fourth_Movement). Whereas before, 文言 was pronounced in the mother tongue of the person reciting it, now MSC is pronounced in the mother tongue. In practice, only Hong Kong and Macao recite MSC passages using non-Mandarin in a school setting, as they are the only regions where non-Mandarin (Cantonese) is the *de-facto* vernacular.

The May Fourth Movement affected **the whole of China**; even though Hong Kong was a British Colony, the Mainland was the official source of Chinese-language education. Educational materials were free-flowing into Hong Kong until 1949 when the Communists kicked the Nationalists out and the British subsequently restricted movement into Hong Kong. Thus, educational written Chinese in Hong Kong schools was based on MSC written materials from Mainland China until 1949, after which Hong Kong had to come up with its own educational materials - which were and are still based on MSC.

Please see [香港百姓是從什麼時候開始習得官話白話文的書面表達能力的呢？ - 知乎](https://www.zhihu.com/question/54414116?fbclid=IwAR3FJp_Ous1wfy0nU8izHLRtV3gEvbRu4hwTd5tsC79-1-jKJRQmuuIkdcQ) for a bit more history.


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### Answer by username_1 on 2018-11-11. Score: 4

Hong Kong people speak **colloquial Cantonese**, and write **Standard written Chinese** (SWC)

Just like Cantonese, Mandarin is a dialect. Both terms refer to spoken words only. The different between **colloquial Mandarin** and SWC is very small

Let me give you some examples

First the one with more commonality between all form:

(Mandarin): 我是中國人

(SWC): 我是中國人

(Cantonese): 我係中國人

~

Then the more localized phrases

(Mandarin): 光說不練

(SWC): 祇說不做

(colloquial and written Cantonese): 淨係講唔去做/ 得把口

We use written Cantonese like "得把口" only in casual content like comic, gossip column or web chat. For official documents and formal text like news report or homework, we all use SWC

All Cantonese speakers acquired the ability to translate colloquial Cantonese to SWC in real time since childhood, and it had became a second nature to us.

For example:

If you wrote '我是中國人' on paper, I can choose to read it:

1. as SWC, and **read** '我是中國人'(ngo5 si6 zung1 gwok3 jan4)
2. as colloquial Cantonese and **say** '我係中國人'(ngo5 hai6 zung1 gwok3 jan4)
3. as colloquial Mandarin and **say** '我是中國人' (wo3 shi4 zhong1 guo2 ren2 ) *if I know Mandarin and choose to read it as Mandarin*

The fact is, Cantonese speech is the mix of colloquial Cantonese, classical written phrase (including frequent use of idioms) and Standard written Chinese

Example:

> 你噉做仲唔係借題發揮?
>
> 你噉做仲唔係 (colloquial Cantonese)
>
> 借題發揮 (idiom)

Translate it to SWC or Mandarin would be "你這樣做還不是借題發揮?"

Japanese using Chinese characters (kanji) do have knowledge of the meaning of those character, but they don't need to know the original Chinese pinyin. They use their Japanese pronunciations to read those kanji instead


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