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  <p>the correct interpretation should be 使衆人誇贊[游者] (cause everyone to praise [the traveller]). </p>
</blockquote>

<p>imo, such interpretation is <strong>incorrect</strong>.</p>

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  <p>越無車﹒有游者得車於晉楚之郊﹒輻朽而輪敗﹒輗折而轅毀﹒無所可用﹒然以其鄉之未嘗有也﹒舟載以歸而誇諸人﹒觀者聞其誇而信之﹒以為車固若是﹒效而為之者相屬</p>
</blockquote>

<p>the text, in brief, should be interpreted as:</p>

<p>a wanderer (游者) brought [a broken carriage] by boat, back to his village (舟載以歸); and (而) exaggerate (誇) [the goodness of the carriage] to his villagers (諸人). onlookers (觀者) heard (聞) his exaggeration (其誇) and (而) believed it (信之)</p>

<p>classical / literary chinese is another paradigm. using grammar to analyse is, imo, unachievable. it’s like using newton physic to solve the “schrödinger's cat” case.</p>

<p>have fun :)</p>

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<p>@水巷孑蠻 There's one point you didn't make clear.</p>

<p>諸乃兼詞“之於”也。</p>

<p>例：</p>

<p>投諸渤海之尾。——《列子•湯問》，篇名擬《愚公移山》</p>

<p>Dump them at the edge of Bo Sea.</p>

<p>So here it should be explained as:</p>

<p>舟載（之）以歸而誇諸［之於］人</p>

<p>Transport it back home by boat and boast it before others.</p>

<p>用小船運載破車回鄉，並對眾人誇讚它。</p>

<p>EDIT:</p>

<p>Your link to baidu translates the sentence as “在眾人面前誇口”. How come you think it is 使動用法？</p>

<p>使動/意動/為動 are three common patterns of verb usages.</p>

<p>Now we talk about 使動. 使動 basically means 使（賓語）...（make the object do sth）. So the subject makes it happen, and the object actually fulfill the verb (in fact, often it isn't a true verb. It is 使動 that makes it a verb, so this is also a case of 活用作動詞)</p>

<p>外連橫而<strong>鬥</strong>諸侯——賈誼《過秦論》</p>

<p>fight the vassals <strong>incorrect</strong></p>

<p>make the vassals fight (each other)</p>

<p>How can you tell between fight and make fight? Emmm, you cannot, I mean, barely from this sole sentence. The context makes it clear. Oh if you know what is 連橫, you can also deduce the correct meaning. So cultural knowledge is important.</p>

<p>吳見申叔，夫子所謂<strong>生</strong>死而<strong>肉</strong>骨也——《左傳•襄公二十二年》</p>

<p>make the dead alive again/ make flesh back to the bones</p>

<p>This one is relatively easy to recognize. Note that 肉 is a noun.</p>

<p>是以君子<strong>遠</strong>庖廚——《孟子•梁惠王上》</p>

<p>make the cook stay afar</p>

<p>The adjective 使動 has more influence till today that it almost can be treated as a verb itself instead of 使動 or 活用作動詞.</p>

<p>In this case, we can also regard it as "keep afar".</p>

<p>The other two usages 意動/為動 are also interesting and frequent in Classical Chinese.</p>

<p>意動：</p>

<p>A famous example is:</p>

<p><strong>鼎</strong>鐺<strong>玉</strong>石，<strong>金</strong>塊<strong>珠</strong>礫——《阿房宮賦》</p>

<p>用鼎作鐺，擲玉同石，揮金似塊，棄珠如礫。（修辭譯法，直譯當為“<strong>以</strong>鼎<strong>為</strong>鐺，以玉為石，以金為塊，以珠為礫”）</p>

<p>為動：</p>

<p>等死，<strong>死</strong>國可乎——《史記•陳涉世家》</p>

<p>同樣是死，<strong>為</strong>國<strong>而死</strong>怎麽樣</p>

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諸 = 之於, well, not always. sometime it’s used as “all, every, various “ eg “夷狄之有君，不如諸 (various) 夏之亡也“. actually, i agreed with you that the 諸 in the quoted text could be treated as 之於.
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@水巷孑蠻 I didn't say it is the only case. But here it is the case. (●°u°●)​ 」
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be calm :) classical texts are fuzzy, it’s always possible to interpret in slightly different ways, and, such interpretations are valid.
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@水巷孑蠻 這種情況省略賓語未嘗有也。。。所以╮(￣▽￣)╭應當確定是兼詞。
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<p>How do you identify phrases using 使動用法 in Classical Chinese? <br>
Take this excerpt for example (<a href="https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E8%B6%8A%E8%BD%A6" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Baidu article here)</a>: <br></p>

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  <p>然以其鄉之未嘗有也，舟載以歸而誇諸人。（明·方孝孺《遜志齋集》）<br></p>
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<p>My initial interpretation of <code>誇諸人</code> was 誇贊衆人 (praise everyone/the audience). <br>
However, I was later taught that the correct interpretation should be 使衆人誇贊[游者] (cause everyone to praise [the traveller]). <br></p>

<p>Is there a way or rule of thumb to identify where 使動用法 is present to avoid misinterpretations, or is it more down to yourself to guess which is more plausible? The example I used isn't the best, there surely are cases where both interpretations make sense in context.</p>

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How to identify 使動用法 in Classical Chinese?
# How to identify 使動用法 in Classical Chinese?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-03-18)

How do you identify phrases using 使動用法 in Classical Chinese?   
Take this excerpt for example ([Baidu article here)](https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E8%B6%8A%E8%BD%A6):

> 然以其鄉之未嘗有也，舟載以歸而誇諸人。（明·方孝孺《遜志齋集》）

My initial interpretation of `誇諸人` was 誇贊衆人 (praise everyone/the audience).   
However, I was later taught that the correct interpretation should be 使衆人誇贊[游者] (cause everyone to praise [the traveller]).

Is there a way or rule of thumb to identify where 使動用法 is present to avoid misinterpretations, or is it more down to yourself to guess which is more plausible? The example I used isn't the best, there surely are cases where both interpretations make sense in context.

**Tags:** classical-chinese


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### Answer by username_1 on 2020-03-18. Score: 5

> the correct interpretation should be 使衆人誇贊[游者] (cause everyone to praise [the traveller]).

imo, such interpretation is **incorrect**.

> 越無車﹒有游者得車於晉楚之郊﹒輻朽而輪敗﹒輗折而轅毀﹒無所可用﹒然以其鄉之未嘗有也﹒舟載以歸而誇諸人﹒觀者聞其誇而信之﹒以為車固若是﹒效而為之者相屬

the text, in brief, should be interpreted as:

a wanderer (游者) brought [a broken carriage] by boat, back to his village (舟載以歸); and (而) exaggerate (誇) [the goodness of the carriage] to his villagers (諸人). onlookers (觀者) heard (聞) his exaggeration (其誇) and (而) believed it (信之)

classical / literary chinese is another paradigm. using grammar to analyse is, imo, unachievable. it’s like using newton physic to solve the “schrödinger's cat” case.

have fun :)


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### Answer by username_2 on 2020-03-18. Score: 3

@username_1 There's one point you didn't make clear.

諸乃兼詞“之於”也。

例：

投諸渤海之尾。——《列子•湯問》，篇名擬《愚公移山》

Dump them at the edge of Bo Sea.

So here it should be explained as:

舟載（之）以歸而誇諸［之於］人

Transport it back home by boat and boast it before others.

用小船運載破車回鄉，並對眾人誇讚它。

EDIT:

Your link to baidu translates the sentence as “在眾人面前誇口”. How come you think it is 使動用法？

使動/意動/為動 are three common patterns of verb usages.

Now we talk about 使動. 使動 basically means 使（賓語）...（make the object do sth）. So the subject makes it happen, and the object actually fulfill the verb (in fact, often it isn't a true verb. It is 使動 that makes it a verb, so this is also a case of 活用作動詞)

外連橫而**鬥**諸侯——賈誼《過秦論》

fight the vassals **incorrect**

make the vassals fight (each other)

How can you tell between fight and make fight? Emmm, you cannot, I mean, barely from this sole sentence. The context makes it clear. Oh if you know what is 連橫, you can also deduce the correct meaning. So cultural knowledge is important.

吳見申叔，夫子所謂**生**死而**肉**骨也——《左傳•襄公二十二年》

make the dead alive again/ make flesh back to the bones

This one is relatively easy to recognize. Note that 肉 is a noun.

是以君子**遠**庖廚——《孟子•梁惠王上》

make the cook stay afar

The adjective 使動 has more influence till today that it almost can be treated as a verb itself instead of 使動 or 活用作動詞.

In this case, we can also regard it as "keep afar".

The other two usages 意動/為動 are also interesting and frequent in Classical Chinese.

意動：

A famous example is:

**鼎**鐺**玉**石，**金**塊**珠**礫——《阿房宮賦》

用鼎作鐺，擲玉同石，揮金似塊，棄珠如礫。（修辭譯法，直譯當為“**以**鼎**為**鐺，以玉為石，以金為塊，以珠為礫”）

為動：

等死，**死**國可乎——《史記•陳涉世家》

同樣是死，**為**國**而死**怎麽樣

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: 諸 = 之於, well, not always. sometime it’s used as “all, every, various “ eg “夷狄之有君，不如諸 (various) 夏之亡也“. actually, i agreed with you that the 諸 in the quoted text could be treated as 之於.  
> **username_2**: @username_1 I didn't say it is the only case. But here it is the case. (●°u°●)​ 」  
> **username_1**: be calm :) classical texts are fuzzy, it’s always possible to interpret in slightly different ways, and, such interpretations are valid.  
> **username_2**: @username_1 這種情況省略賓語未嘗有也。。。所以╮(￣▽￣)╭應當確定是兼詞。  

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