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<p>After [...] a consonant, <em>iou, <strong>uei</strong>,</em> and <em>uen</em> are simplified as <em>iu, <strong>ui</strong>,</em> and <em>un</em>, which do not represent the actual pronunciation.</p>
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<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin#Letters" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin#Letters</a></li>
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<p>This spelling seems to have been inherited from the earlier <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinxua_Sin_Wenz#Finals" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Latinxua Sin Wenz</a>, itself following the use in Wade-Giles. Such simplifications were likely used since [wi] is an allophone of [wei]:</p>
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<p>In SC [wi] is a variant of [wəi]... SC does not make use of such contrasts as [wi] vs. [wəi], or [ji] vs. [i], which English does (consider <em>we</em> vs. <em>way</em>, and <em>yeast</em> vs. <em>east</em>).</p>
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<ul>
<li>A Phonology of Standard Chinese</li>
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<p>Then we also have sounds that are there but simply left out, such as -ui actually being pronounced -uei (水, 对, 贵) and -iu actually being pronounced -iou (六，休，牛).</p>
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<li><a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/42156/24946">Is pinyin an accurate pronunciation guide?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/q/993/24946">Why is it written LIU in Pinyin, when there&#39;s clearly an O sound?</a></li>
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<p>对 (duì) sounds to my ears more like /duei/. Similarly with 水 (shuǐ) /ʂuei/. Am I mishearing, or am I misunderstanding how Pinyin is supposed to be pronounced? Or is this a dialectal variant?</p>

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You are correct. If you know zhuyin and convert zhuyin of 水, 對, 劉 to pinyin, they should look like shuei, duei, liou. The rule of pinyin dictates e and o be dropped.
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Pronunciation of 对 and 水
# Pronunciation of 对 and 水

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-04-16)

对 (duì) sounds to my ears more like /duei/. Similarly with 水 (shuǐ) /ʂuei/. Am I mishearing, or am I misunderstanding how Pinyin is supposed to be pronounced? Or is this a dialectal variant?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: You are correct. If you know zhuyin and convert zhuyin of 水, 對, 劉 to pinyin, they should look like shuei, duei, liou. The rule of pinyin dictates e and o be dropped.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2021-04-16. Score: 0 | Accepted answer

> After [...] a consonant, *iou, **uei**,* and *uen* are simplified as *iu, **ui**,* and *un*, which do not represent the actual pronunciation.

* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin#Letters>

This spelling seems to have been inherited from the earlier [Latinxua Sin Wenz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinxua_Sin_Wenz#Finals), itself following the use in Wade-Giles. Such simplifications were likely used since [wi] is an allophone of [wei]:

> In SC [wi] is a variant of [wəi]... SC does not make use of such contrasts as [wi] vs. [wəi], or [ji] vs. [i], which English does (consider *we* vs. *way*, and *yeast* vs. *east*).

* A Phonology of Standard Chinese

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**Related questions:**

> Then we also have sounds that are there but simply left out, such as -ui actually being pronounced -uei (水, 对, 贵) and -iu actually being pronounced -iou (六，休，牛).

* [Is pinyin an accurate pronunciation guide?](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/42156/24946)
* [Why is it written LIU in Pinyin, when there's clearly an O sound?](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/q/993/24946)
* [Are there rules about the differences between pinyin spelling and pronunciation?](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/9645/24946)


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### Answer by username_2 on 2021-04-16. Score: 0

<https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%E6%B0%B4>

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Most pronunciation you can find here. if not, try to searh the word you want to search +  `发音`


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