<blockquote>
  <p>"Latina women have to work until Nov. 20 in order to earn what a white man would have earned in the year before"</p>
</blockquote>

<p>The sentence itself is kind of hard to follow. The biggest problem is it doesn't state "<em>from what time</em>" they have to work until Nov. 20. Therefore, the concept of "Latina women's 23 months income  = white men's 12 months income" isn't expressed very clear</p>

<p>The following sentence would state things more clearly</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>"Latina women have to work until next year's Nov. 20,  to earn as much as a white male earned in this year"</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Google Translate result: “拉丁女性必須工作到明年11月20日，才能獲得與(今年)白人男性相同的收入”</p>

<p>grammatically refined:  “拉丁女性必須工作到明年11月20日，才能獲得與白人男性相同的(今年)收入”</p>

<p><em>When Google Translate gives you a comprehensible translation, you know the original sentence is also comprehensible in general</em> </p>

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Tang Ho
<p>Forget machine translations, get a Chinese boy/girlfriend!</p>

<p>Take:</p>

<p>"Latina women have to work until Nov. 20 in order to earn what a white man would have earned in the year before."</p>

<p>Put it into clear English:</p>

<p>"Women have to work 11 months longer in order to earn what a white man earns in 12 months."</p>

<p>女性需要比白人男性多做11个月，才能挣到白人男性12个月所挣到的。</p>

<p>If want to put 拉蒂纳 in front, that's fine!</p>

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＋1 for your first suggestion! :)
米凯乐
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Pedroski
<p><strong>TL;DR</strong>: Here's my version, where I've tried to stay faithful to the original:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>为了赚到白人男性一年赚的钱，拉美女人必须工作到第二年10月20号<br>
  In order to earn the money earned by a white man in a year, Latin-American women must work until October 20 the following year</p>
</blockquote>

<p>The major structural change is putting 为了 = "in order to" at the start.  This approximately breaks up as follows:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>In order to [为了] earn [赚到] white man [白人男性] in one year [一年] earned money [赚的钱]，Latin-American [拉美] women [女人] must [必须] work [工作] until [到] the next year [第二年] October [10月] 20-th [20号]  </p>
</blockquote>

<p>I spoke with my Chinese teacher about this thread, she said it needs to be 赚到 instead of just 赚 at the start of my sentence [I corrected that].  Also she said 工作到第二年10月20号 could simplify to 工作一年10个月 ("work for one year and 10 months") or 工作22个月 ("work for 22 months"), simply ignoring the 20 days.  We had a long discussion about what "Latina woman" means, but couldn't figure it out precisely.  She felt that 拉蒂纳 was never used.  She also mentioned that 明年 ("next year") in 明年11月20日 suggests the statement is true for a fixed year, so it's likely more appropriate to use 第二年 ("the following year") here.</p>

<p>I explain all the changes below.</p>

<hr>

<h3>Part 1</h3>

<blockquote>
  <p>拉丁裔的女人<br>
  Latin-descended women</p>
</blockquote>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8B%89%E4%B8%81" rel="nofollow noreferrer">拉丁</a> = Latin  (correct)</p></li>
<li><p>裔的女人 breaks apart into</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E8%A3%94" rel="nofollow noreferrer">裔</a> = descendant</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%9A%84" rel="nofollow noreferrer">的</a> is a particle (no meaning in English, but necessary for Chinese grammar)</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%A5%B3%E4%BA%BA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">女人</a> = woman</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p>Curiously, "Latina women" (literally 拉丁女人) was translated into "Latin-descended women".  But let's drop the "descendant" stuff.</p>

<p>So we have <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8B%89%E4%B8%81%E5%A5%B3%E4%BA%BA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">拉丁女人</a> = Latin woman.</p>

<p>This is fine, but <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099">Pedroski's answer</a> suggests <a href="http://youdao.com/w/latina/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">拉蒂纳</a> = Latina instead, but I would not use this (e.g., search for <a href="http://image.baidu.com/search/index?tn=baiduimage&amp;word=%E6%8B%89%E8%92%82%E7%BA%B3" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><code>拉蒂纳</code></a> on Baidu Image search).  Since the OP's location is in the USA, I suggest <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8B%89%E7%BE%8E" rel="nofollow noreferrer">拉美</a> = Latin-American is the best choice here.  This varies on your audience.</p>

<p><a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099">Tang Ho's answer</a> gives 拉丁女性, where <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%A5%B3%E6%80%A7" rel="nofollow noreferrer">女性</a> = the female sex.  There's a subtle trade-off between 女性 and 女人 here (perhaps this distinction is suitable for another Chinese.SE question).</p>

<h3>Part 2</h3>

<blockquote>
  <p>需要工作<br>
  must work</p>
</blockquote>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81" rel="nofollow noreferrer">需要</a> = must</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099">Tang Ho's answer</a> gives <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%BF%85%E9%A1%BB" rel="nofollow noreferrer">必须</a> which also means "must", but meaning something like "necessarily must" (i.e., you can't just choose not to).  While 需要 is okay, 必须 seems more precise.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%B7%A5%E4%BD%9C" rel="nofollow noreferrer">工作</a> = work  (correct)</li>
</ul>

<h3>Part 3</h3>

<blockquote>
  <p>一年到十月的二十号<br>
  one year until October 20 [with a grammar error]</p>
</blockquote>

<ul>
<li><p>一年到十月的二十号 breaks apart into</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%80%E5%B9%B4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">一年</a> = one year</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%88%B0" rel="nofollow noreferrer">到</a> = until (in this context), which is correct but misplaced</li>
<li><p>十月的二十号 is close to meaning October 20-th, and breaks apart into</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%8D%81%E6%9C%88" rel="nofollow noreferrer">十月</a> = October</li>
<li>的 is the particle above; as far as I know, using it in dates is plain wrong, so delete this</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E4%BA%8C%E5%8D%81" rel="nofollow noreferrer">二十</a> = 20</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%8F%B7" rel="nofollow noreferrer">号</a> = number</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<p>This is not a good fit.  Chinese has the phrase <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E5%B9%B4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">第二年</a> = "the following year" which works well here, so</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>到第二年十月二十号<br>
  到第二年10月20号<br>
  until October 20 the following year</p>
</blockquote>

<h3>Part 4</h3>

<blockquote>
  <p>为了赚百男人赚的钱<br>
  for earn the money <s>hundred</s> white men earn</p>
</blockquote>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%BA%E4%BA%86" rel="nofollow noreferrer">为了</a> = for; in order to</li>
</ul>

<p>How 为了 is used feels wrong, but I can't pinpoint why.  Normally Chinese uses a preceding <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E6%98%AF" rel="nofollow noreferrer">是</a> = is, e.g.:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>结婚<strong>是为了</strong>生孩子<br>
  Marriage <strong>is for</strong> having children</p>
</blockquote>

<p>But this "for" is different, so we can't simply add a 是 to fix the problem.  The 为了 would probably sound better at the start though, e.g.:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><strong>为了</strong>您的安全，请系好安全带<br>
  <strong>For</strong> your safety, please fasten your seat belt.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Both <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099">Tang Ho's answer</a> and <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099">Pedroski's answer</a> use <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E6%89%8D" rel="nofollow noreferrer">才</a> = "only then" (in this context).  I'll instead opt for restructuring the sentence.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E8%B5%9A" rel="nofollow noreferrer">赚</a> = earn (correct)</li>
</ul>

<p>There's other options though, such as <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E8%8E%B7%E5%BE%97" rel="nofollow noreferrer">获得</a> as in <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099">Tang Ho's answer</a>, and <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8C%A3" rel="nofollow noreferrer">挣</a> as in <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099">Pedroski's answer</a>.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BE" rel="nofollow noreferrer">百</a> = hundred, a common mistake for <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD" rel="nofollow noreferrer">白</a> = white</li>
</ul>

<p>Another point here, <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD%E4%BA%BA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">白人</a> = "white person", while some people seem to use <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD%E7%94%B7%E4%BA%BA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">白男人</a> (along with other alternatives), it seems <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD%E4%BA%BA%E7%94%B7%E6%80%A7" rel="nofollow noreferrer">白人男性</a> = "white person male sex" is most appropriate, as used in both <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099">Tang Ho's answer</a> and <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099">Pedroski's answer</a>.</p>

<ul>
<li><p>男人赚的钱 breaks apart into</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%94%B7%E4%BA%BA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">男人</a> = man (correct)</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E8%B5%9A" rel="nofollow noreferrer">赚</a> = earn (correct, again)</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%9A%84" rel="nofollow noreferrer">的</a> is a particle (correct)</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E9%92%B1" rel="nofollow noreferrer">钱</a> = money (correct)</li>
</ul>

<p>Together it means "the money that a man earns".  All correct.  But there's no specified time period (we need to add <a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%80%E5%B9%B4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">一年</a> = one year).</p></li>
</ul>

<h3>Part 5</h3>

<blockquote>
  <p>在前的一年<br>
  previous year [with a grammar error]</p>
</blockquote>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E5%9C%A8%E5%89%8D" rel="nofollow noreferrer">在前</a> = prior to</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E7%9A%84" rel="nofollow noreferrer">的</a> is a grammar particle; it's not correct, but can be deleted</li>
<li><a href="http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%80%E5%B9%B4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">一年</a> = one year</li>
</ul>

<p>After deleting the 的, it's unconnected: like someone simply stuck the phrase "previous year" at the end of a sentence.</p>

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<p>I'm trying to write a piece about sexism, that specifically discusses the gender wage gap and how it's affected by race. The sentence I'm trying to say is</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Latina women have to work until Nov. 20 in order to earn what a white man would have earned in the year before.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I'm not sure if it makes sense though.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>拉丁裔的女人需要工作一年到十月的二十号为了赚百男人赚的钱在前的一年。</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Does this sound natural? I've tried putting pieces of it into various translation devices, and it gets the right translation each time, so I'm pretty sure it means what I want it to, if a little clunky, but I don't know how to check it otherwise. Does it work well or sound weird? </p>

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拉丁裔女人必须工作到11月20日，才能赚到白人男子前一年的收入。
vuluvsa
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You can translate twice, this is a technique in NLP.
Voyager
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1. 拉丁裔(的)女人**需要** / **必须**工作到(次年的)十月二十号，才能赚到白人前一年能(够)赚到的钱。2. 拉丁裔(的)女人**需要** / **必须**工作到(次年的)十月二十号，才能赚到和白人前一年一样(多)的钱。3. literally: 拉丁裔(的)女人**需要** / **必须**工作到(次年的)十月二十号**以便** / **才能**赚到白人前一年赚到的钱。
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Does 拉丁裔的女人需要工作一年到十月的二十号为了赚百男人赚的钱在前的一年 make sense?
# Does 拉丁裔的女人需要工作一年到十月的二十号为了赚百男人赚的钱在前的一年 make sense?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-02-20)

I'm trying to write a piece about sexism, that specifically discusses the gender wage gap and how it's affected by race. The sentence I'm trying to say is

> Latina women have to work until Nov. 20 in order to earn what a white man would have earned in the year before.

I'm not sure if it makes sense though.

> 拉丁裔的女人需要工作一年到十月的二十号为了赚百男人赚的钱在前的一年。

Does this sound natural? I've tried putting pieces of it into various translation devices, and it gets the right translation each time, so I'm pretty sure it means what I want it to, if a little clunky, but I don't know how to check it otherwise. Does it work well or sound weird?

**Tags:** translation, word-choice, writing-critique

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: 拉丁裔女人必须工作到11月20日，才能赚到白人男子前一年的收入。  
> **username_2**: You can translate twice, this is a technique in NLP.  
> **username_3**: 1. 拉丁裔(的)女人**需要** / **必须**工作到(次年的)十月二十号，才能赚到白人前一年能(够)赚到的钱。2. 拉丁裔(的)女人**需要** / **必须**工作到(次年的)十月二十号，才能赚到和白人前一年一样(多)的钱。3. literally: 拉丁裔(的)女人**需要** / **必须**工作到(次年的)十月二十号**以便** / **才能**赚到白人前一年赚到的钱。  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2019-02-20. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

> "Latina women have to work until Nov. 20 in order to earn what a white man would have earned in the year before"

The sentence itself is kind of hard to follow. The biggest problem is it doesn't state "*from what time*" they have to work until Nov. 20. Therefore, the concept of "Latina women's 23 months income = white men's 12 months income" isn't expressed very clear

The following sentence would state things more clearly

> "Latina women have to work until next year's Nov. 20, to earn as much as a white male earned in this year"

Google Translate result: “拉丁女性必須工作到明年11月20日，才能獲得與(今年)白人男性相同的收入”

grammatically refined: “拉丁女性必須工作到明年11月20日，才能獲得與白人男性相同的(今年)收入”

*When Google Translate gives you a comprehensible translation, you know the original sentence is also comprehensible in general*


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### Answer by username_5 on 2019-02-21. Score: 2

Forget machine translations, get a Chinese boy/girlfriend!

Take:

"Latina women have to work until Nov. 20 in order to earn what a white man would have earned in the year before."

Put it into clear English:

"Women have to work 11 months longer in order to earn what a white man earns in 12 months."

女性需要比白人男性多做11个月，才能挣到白人男性12个月所挣到的。

If want to put 拉蒂纳 in front, that's fine!

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: ＋1 for your first suggestion! :)  

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### Answer by username_6 on 2019-12-12. Score: 0

**TL;DR**: Here's my version, where I've tried to stay faithful to the original:

> 为了赚到白人男性一年赚的钱，拉美女人必须工作到第二年10月20号  
> In order to earn the money earned by a white man in a year, Latin-American women must work until October 20 the following year

The major structural change is putting 为了 = "in order to" at the start. This approximately breaks up as follows:

> In order to [为了] earn [赚到] white man [白人男性] in one year [一年] earned money [赚的钱]，Latin-American [拉美] women [女人] must [必须] work [工作] until [到] the next year [第二年] October [10月] 20-th [20号]

I spoke with my Chinese teacher about this thread, she said it needs to be 赚到 instead of just 赚 at the start of my sentence [I corrected that]. Also she said 工作到第二年10月20号 could simplify to 工作一年10个月 ("work for one year and 10 months") or 工作22个月 ("work for 22 months"), simply ignoring the 20 days. We had a long discussion about what "Latina woman" means, but couldn't figure it out precisely. She felt that 拉蒂纳 was never used. She also mentioned that 明年 ("next year") in 明年11月20日 suggests the statement is true for a fixed year, so it's likely more appropriate to use 第二年 ("the following year") here.

I explain all the changes below.

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### Part 1

> 拉丁裔的女人  
> Latin-descended women

* [拉丁](http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8B%89%E4%B8%81) = Latin (correct)
* 裔的女人 breaks apart into

  + [裔](http://youdao.com/w/%E8%A3%94) = descendant
  + [的](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%9A%84) is a particle (no meaning in English, but necessary for Chinese grammar)
  + [女人](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%A5%B3%E4%BA%BA) = woman

Curiously, "Latina women" (literally 拉丁女人) was translated into "Latin-descended women". But let's drop the "descendant" stuff.

So we have [拉丁女人](http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8B%89%E4%B8%81%E5%A5%B3%E4%BA%BA) = Latin woman.

This is fine, but [username_5's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099) suggests [拉蒂纳](http://youdao.com/w/latina/) = Latina instead, but I would not use this (e.g., search for [`拉蒂纳`](http://image.baidu.com/search/index?tn=baiduimage&word=%E6%8B%89%E8%92%82%E7%BA%B3) on Baidu Image search). Since the OP's location is in the USA, I suggest [拉美](http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8B%89%E7%BE%8E) = Latin-American is the best choice here. This varies on your audience.

[username_4 Ho's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099) gives 拉丁女性, where [女性](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%A5%B3%E6%80%A7) = the female sex. There's a subtle trade-off between 女性 and 女人 here (perhaps this distinction is suitable for another Chinese.SE question).

### Part 2

> 需要工作  
> must work

* [需要](http://youdao.com/w/%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81) = must

[username_4 Ho's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099) gives [必须](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%BF%85%E9%A1%BB) which also means "must", but meaning something like "necessarily must" (i.e., you can't just choose not to). While 需要 is okay, 必须 seems more precise.

* [工作](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%B7%A5%E4%BD%9C) = work (correct)

### Part 3

> 一年到十月的二十号  
> one year until October 20 [with a grammar error]

* 一年到十月的二十号 breaks apart into

  + [一年](http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%80%E5%B9%B4) = one year
  + [到](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%88%B0) = until (in this context), which is correct but misplaced
  + 十月的二十号 is close to meaning October 20-th, and breaks apart into

    - [十月](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%8D%81%E6%9C%88) = October
    - 的 is the particle above; as far as I know, using it in dates is plain wrong, so delete this
    - [二十](http://youdao.com/w/%E4%BA%8C%E5%8D%81) = 20
    - [号](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%8F%B7) = number

This is not a good fit. Chinese has the phrase [第二年](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E5%B9%B4) = "the following year" which works well here, so

> 到第二年十月二十号  
> 到第二年10月20号  
> until October 20 the following year

### Part 4

> 为了赚百男人赚的钱  
> for earn the money ~~hundred~~ white men earn

* [为了](http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%BA%E4%BA%86) = for; in order to

How 为了 is used feels wrong, but I can't pinpoint why. Normally Chinese uses a preceding [是](http://youdao.com/w/%E6%98%AF) = is, e.g.:

> 结婚**是为了**生孩子  
> Marriage **is for** having children

But this "for" is different, so we can't simply add a 是 to fix the problem. The 为了 would probably sound better at the start though, e.g.:

> **为了**您的安全，请系好安全带  
> **For** your safety, please fasten your seat belt.

Both [username_4 Ho's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099) and [username_5's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099) use [才](http://youdao.com/w/%E6%89%8D) = "only then" (in this context). I'll instead opt for restructuring the sentence.

* [赚](http://youdao.com/w/%E8%B5%9A) = earn (correct)

There's other options though, such as [获得](http://youdao.com/w/%E8%8E%B7%E5%BE%97) as in [username_4 Ho's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099), and [挣](http://youdao.com/w/%E6%8C%A3) as in [username_5's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099).

* [百](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BE) = hundred, a common mistake for [白](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD) = white

Another point here, [白人](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD%E4%BA%BA) = "white person", while some people seem to use [白男人](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD%E7%94%B7%E4%BA%BA) (along with other alternatives), it seems [白人男性](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%99%BD%E4%BA%BA%E7%94%B7%E6%80%A7) = "white person male sex" is most appropriate, as used in both [username_4 Ho's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32973/8099) and [username_5's answer](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/a/32979/8099).

* 男人赚的钱 breaks apart into

  + [男人](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%94%B7%E4%BA%BA) = man (correct)
  + [赚](http://youdao.com/w/%E8%B5%9A) = earn (correct, again)
  + [的](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%9A%84) is a particle (correct)
  + [钱](http://youdao.com/w/%E9%92%B1) = money (correct)

  Together it means "the money that a man earns". All correct. But there's no specified time period (we need to add [一年](http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%80%E5%B9%B4) = one year).

### Part 5

> 在前的一年  
> previous year [with a grammar error]

* [在前](http://youdao.com/w/%E5%9C%A8%E5%89%8D) = prior to
* [的](http://youdao.com/w/%E7%9A%84) is a grammar particle; it's not correct, but can be deleted
* [一年](http://youdao.com/w/%E4%B8%80%E5%B9%B4) = one year

After deleting the 的, it's unconnected: like someone simply stuck the phrase "previous year" at the end of a sentence.


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