<p>(I'm a native Chinese speaker from Mainland China. People from other Chinese-speaking regions or countries may feel different from me.)</p>

<p><strong><code>雖然 x 但是 y</code> sounds fine to me for all your examples.</strong> </p>

<p>However, to me the turn embedded in <code>儘管 x 但是 y</code> sounds a little bit stronger than that in <code>雖然 x 但是 y</code>. That's why when the conditions are very extreme, <code>儘管 x 但是 y</code> sounds more natural to me.</p>

<p><strong>I think neither <code>即使 x 還是 y</code> nor <code>即使 x 仍然 y</code> is appropriate for your examples.</strong></p>

<p>A critical difference between a. <code>儘管 x 但是 y</code>, <code>雖然 x 但是 y</code> and b. <code>即使 x 還是 y</code>, <code>即使 x 仍然 y</code>:</p>

<p>For group a, x is a statement that the speaker believes to be true, while for group b, x is only a supposition (usually an extreme one).</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>e.g.</p>
  
  <p><strong>儘管</strong>我們安裝了最好的安防系統，賊還是<strong>進來了</strong>。</p>
  
  <p>→ The speaker believes that the system has been installed and some
  thief or thieves have found a way inside.</p>
  
  <p><strong>即使</strong>我們安裝了最好的安防系統，賊還是<strong>會進來的</strong>。</p>
  
  <p>→ The speaker makes a supposition that (EVEN IF) we installed the best
  security system, and he shows that he believes that still some thief
  or thieves will find a way inside.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><strong>Since for group b, x is only a supposition, the sentence below will sound weird:</strong></p>

<blockquote>
  <p><strong>即使</strong>我們安裝了最好的安防系統，賊還是<strong>進來了</strong>。</p>
  
  <p>→ The speaker makes <strong>a supposition</strong> that (EVEN IF) we installed the
  best security system, and he shows that he believes that some thief or
  thieves <strong>have already</strong> found a way inside.</p>
</blockquote>

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<p>I am aware of 雖然 being used as although, however, I am not sure if it is appropriate for the following example situations.</p>

<p><strong>English examples:</strong></p>

<p><em>Even though</em> he wore a helmet, he <em>still</em> suffered a serious concussion.</p>

<p><em>Even though</em> she got everything she wanted for her birthday, she <em>still</em> acted like a brat.</p>

<p><em>Even though</em> we installed the best security system, the thieves <em>still</em> found a way inside.</p>

<p><strong>Form:</strong></p>

<p><em>Even though</em> [condition x which would usually prevent result y], [subject] <em>still</em> [result y].</p>

<p>Can "雖然 x 但是 y" be used when the conditions are extreme like this?</p>

<p>If not, what form would you recommend?</p>

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Seem fine to me, why do you think they aren't appropriate?
congusbongus
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I just consulted with a native speaker, they said 雖然 was not appropriate and recommended "即使 x 還是 y", for my example situations, "即使 x 仍然 y", for: "Even though his girlfriend doesn't love him, he still loves her," and also something with 儘管, however I'm not sure I understood the nuance of the explanation due to the fact that it was in Chinese.
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searching web with e。g。＂翻译 even though 。。。still
＂besides google translate （which does not provide example sentences） yields plenty of example sentences，in fact results ２ －－ ８ all have example sentences (often more than 1) including ＂still＂
user6065
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Those works,all  statements are totally right.
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Even though x still y sentence pattern
# Even though x still y sentence pattern

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-10-02)

I am aware of 雖然 being used as although, however, I am not sure if it is appropriate for the following example situations.

**English examples:**

*Even though* he wore a helmet, he *still* suffered a serious concussion.

*Even though* she got everything she wanted for her birthday, she *still* acted like a brat.

*Even though* we installed the best security system, the thieves *still* found a way inside.

**Form:**

*Even though* [condition x which would usually prevent result y], [subject] *still* [result y].

Can "雖然 x 但是 y" be used when the conditions are extreme like this?

If not, what form would you recommend?

**Tags:** grammar, word-choice

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Seem fine to me, why do you think they aren't appropriate?  
> **username_0**: I just consulted with a native speaker, they said 雖然 was not appropriate and recommended "即使 x 還是 y", for my example situations, "即使 x 仍然 y", for: "Even though his girlfriend doesn't love him, he still loves her," and also something with 儘管, however I'm not sure I understood the nuance of the explanation due to the fact that it was in Chinese.  
> **username_2**: searching web with e。g。＂翻译 even though 。。。still ＂besides google translate （which does not provide example sentences） yields plenty of example sentences，in fact results ２ －－ ８ all have example sentences (often more than 1) including ＂still＂  
> **username_3**: Those works,all  statements are totally right.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2014-10-06. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

(I'm a native Chinese speaker from Mainland China. People from other Chinese-speaking regions or countries may feel different from me.)

**`雖然 x 但是 y` sounds fine to me for all your examples.**

However, to me the turn embedded in `儘管 x 但是 y` sounds a little bit stronger than that in `雖然 x 但是 y`. That's why when the conditions are very extreme, `儘管 x 但是 y` sounds more natural to me.

**I think neither `即使 x 還是 y` nor `即使 x 仍然 y` is appropriate for your examples.**

A critical difference between a. `儘管 x 但是 y`, `雖然 x 但是 y` and b. `即使 x 還是 y`, `即使 x 仍然 y`:

For group a, x is a statement that the speaker believes to be true, while for group b, x is only a supposition (usually an extreme one).

> e.g.
>
> **儘管**我們安裝了最好的安防系統，賊還是**進來了**。
>
> → The speaker believes that the system has been installed and some
> thief or thieves have found a way inside.
>
> **即使**我們安裝了最好的安防系統，賊還是**會進來的**。
>
> → The speaker makes a supposition that (EVEN IF) we installed the best
> security system, and he shows that he believes that still some thief
> or thieves will find a way inside.

**Since for group b, x is only a supposition, the sentence below will sound weird:**

> **即使**我們安裝了最好的安防系統，賊還是**進來了**。
>
> → The speaker makes **a supposition** that (EVEN IF) we installed the
> best security system, and he shows that he believes that some thief or
> thieves **have already** found a way inside.


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