<p>This one about forgetting the help which you once relied on to succeed. More readings: <a href="http://pedia.cloud.edu.tw/Entry/Detail/?title=%E5%BE%97%E9%AD%9A%E5%BF%98%E7%AD%8C" rel="nofollow">教育百科</a> <a href="https://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1510090107723" rel="nofollow">奇摩知識</a> </p>

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  <p>筌者所以在魚，得魚而忘筌；蹄者所以在兔，得兔而忘蹄；言者所以在意，得意而忘言。
  《莊子·外物》</p>
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<p>If you are interested in fable prose as well, 《中山狼傳》is a pretty good one. As a matter of fact, 《紅樓夢》once quotes 《中山狼傳》to describe ungratefulness. More readings: <a href="http://www.shiciwang.org/18752.html" rel="nofollow">詩詞網</a> <a href="http://baike.baidu.com/view/1282198.htm" rel="nofollow">百度百科</a> <a href="http://www.baike.com/wiki/%E3%80%8A%E4%B8%AD%E5%B1%B1%E7%8B%BC%E4%BC%A0%E3%80%8B" rel="nofollow">互動百科</a> <a href="https://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1005040908753" rel="nofollow">奇摩知識</a></p>

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  <p>子系中山狼，得志便猖狂。金閨花柳質，一載赴黃粱。《紅樓夢》</p>
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i've never seen that first quote be used in reference to ungratefulness - i thought it was a philosophical meditation concerning the relationship between words and ideas (i.e., words are mere tools to convey ideas ; these words can be discarded/forgotten once they've served their purpose).  Can you provide an example of use where it implies "ungratefulness"?
Master Sparkles
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2015-06-23T20:21:01.927Z
You are right, the very original meaning is not about ungratefulness. But the phrase 得魚忘筌 which is from this quote now mostly refer to ungratefulness. See the 教育部成語典 http://dict.idioms.moe.edu.tw/cgi-bin/cydic/gsweb.cgi?ccd=uwKnZg&o=e0&sec=sec1&op=v&view=0-1&fmt=11 "亦用來比喻人在達到目的成功後就忘掉賴以成功的手段或憑藉物，有背義忘恩之意。"
leo4jc
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I had no idea it could be used that way!  Thank you for the clarification.
Master Sparkles
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leo4jc
<p>Looking for poems about ungratefulness.</p>

<p>Found some recommendations on 百度知道 under the question: <a href="http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/536331948.html?device=mobile&amp;ssid=0&amp;from=844b&amp;uid=0&amp;pu=usm@0,sz@1320_2001,ta@iphone_1_8.1_3_600&amp;bd_page_type=1&amp;baiduid=B0DC14BD4CFD809A8478494C15B38C6D&amp;tj=www_normal_1_0_10_title" rel="nofollow">关于自己忘恩负义的诗词</a>; especially the poem《氓》- wondering what else is out there.</p>

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<li>What poems are there about ungratefulness?</li>
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2015-06-23T19:50:31.590Z
ctext.org might be useful - can search in 全唐詩 for phrases like "忘恩"?  Or are you asking about bits of poems that achieved 成語 status?
Master Sparkles
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Poems About Ungratefulness
# Poems About Ungratefulness

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-06-23)

Looking for poems about ungratefulness.

Found some recommendations on 百度知道 under the question: [关于自己忘恩负义的诗词](http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/536331948.html?device=mobile&ssid=0&from=844b&uid=0&pu=usm@0,sz@1320_2001,ta@iphone_1_8.1_3_600&bd_page_type=1&baiduid=B0DC14BD4CFD809A8478494C15B38C6D&tj=www_normal_1_0_10_title); especially the poem《氓》- wondering what else is out there.

* What poems are there about ungratefulness?

**Tags:** word-requests

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: ctext.org might be useful - can search in 全唐詩 for phrases like "忘恩"?  Or are you asking about bits of poems that achieved 成語 status?  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2015-06-23. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

This one about forgetting the help which you once relied on to succeed. More readings: [教育百科](http://pedia.cloud.edu.tw/Entry/Detail/?title=%E5%BE%97%E9%AD%9A%E5%BF%98%E7%AD%8C) [奇摩知識](https://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1510090107723)

> 筌者所以在魚，得魚而忘筌；蹄者所以在兔，得兔而忘蹄；言者所以在意，得意而忘言。
> 《莊子·外物》

If you are interested in fable prose as well, 《中山狼傳》is a pretty good one. As a matter of fact, 《紅樓夢》once quotes 《中山狼傳》to describe ungratefulness. More readings: [詩詞網](http://www.shiciwang.org/18752.html) [百度百科](http://baike.baidu.com/view/1282198.htm) [互動百科](http://www.baike.com/wiki/%E3%80%8A%E4%B8%AD%E5%B1%B1%E7%8B%BC%E4%BC%A0%E3%80%8B) [奇摩知識](https://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1005040908753)

> 子系中山狼，得志便猖狂。金閨花柳質，一載赴黃粱。《紅樓夢》

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: i've never seen that first quote be used in reference to ungratefulness - i thought it was a philosophical meditation concerning the relationship between words and ideas (i.e., words are mere tools to convey ideas ; these words can be discarded/forgotten once they've served their purpose).  Can you provide an example of use where it implies "ungratefulness"?  
> **username_2**: You are right, the very original meaning is not about ungratefulness. But the phrase 得魚忘筌 which is from this quote now mostly refer to ungratefulness. See the 教育部成語典 http://dict.idioms.moe.edu.tw/cgi-bin/cydic/gsweb.cgi?ccd=uwKnZg&o=e0&sec=sec1&op=v&view=0-1&fmt=11 "亦用來比喻人在達到目的成功後就忘掉賴以成功的手段或憑藉物，有背義忘恩之意。"  
> **username_1**: I had no idea it could be used that way!  Thank you for the clarification.  

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