<p>Hanyu Pinyin is generally used for Standard Chinese. If you want to represent /uɛ/ in something consistent with Hanyu Pinyin, you could use <em>uê</em>. The Wikipedia article was using Sichuanese Pinyin, which may not be compatible with Hanyu Pinyin.</p>

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I'm just concerned about that the diacritic above the e (ê) will be misconstrued as a tonality marker.
Mou某
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2016-04-26T05:56:29.823Z
It could be, but according to Hanyu Pinyin, ê does represent /ɛ/. Then the same would go for the umlaut on ü, which represents /y/.
justinrleung
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Hokkienese fifth tone (陽平) uses `^` as its tone marker. /y/ for instance in Mandarin is only ü in certain places but u in others like yu 玉.
Mou某
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I see what you mean, but POJ or Tâi-lô is quite incompatible with Pinyin. Also, _ê_ is also used in the Hakka romanization scheme (Guangdong Dept of Education) for /ɛ/.
justinrleung
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justinrleung
<p><strong>ue</strong> and <strong>üe</strong> are pronounced differently.<br/><br/><strong>ue</strong> is not used in Mandarin. Only <strong>üe</strong> is used.</p>

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<p>Edit: </p>

<p>The questioner was actually asking about using Hanyu Pinyin to transcribe Sichuanese. Hanyu Pinyin was designed as a tool to teach the speaking of mandarin, but it is still possible to capture words in Sichuanese using the closest possible combinations. I see no problem with doing so since this is probably the best you can get. But since it is still an approximation, if you stick to it methodologically your pronunciation will sound a little off to native speakers.</p>

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@user3306356 Sorry could you please elaborate your question a little more? I thought you were asking whether or not "ue" in Sichuanese Mandarin equates "ue" in Mandarin. But "ue" is simply not used in Mandarin, hence my answer.
Cosmos Gu
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I'm not bothered about mandarin, I'm just asking if “ue” would be acceptable as Sichuanese pinyin.
Mou某
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@user3306356 I see. Hanyu Pinyin was designed as a tool to teach the speaking of mandarin. It is possible to capture words in Sichuanese using the closest possible combinations, but it is still an approximation. I see no problem with using Hanyu Pinyin to transcribe Sichuanese since this is probably the best you can get. But if you stick to it methodologically, your pronunciation will sound a little off to native speakers.
Cosmos Gu
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@user3306356 I edited my answer to address your actual question (the same thing I said in my comment, albeit rephrased).
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Cosmos Gu
<p>The final <code>ue</code> can be found in some Chinese dialects/topolects. It seems to also be written properly as <code>uɛ</code> if I'm not mistaken.</p>
<p>The Wikipedia page for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuanese_Mandarin" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Sichuanese Mandarin</a> lists an example:</p>
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<p>uɛ</p>
<p><strong>ue</strong></p>
<p><strong>国</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Which I would understand could be written, in full, as <code>gue</code> without any sort of tone markings.</p>
<p>Does <code>ue</code>/<code>uɛ</code> just equate to pinyin <code>ue</code>?</p>

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@倪阔乐 Isn't Mandarin's ue [y̯ø] not technically -üe [y̯ø] (as wiki mentions), like ü [y] after j, q, x, or y where it is just simply written as u because there is no u [u] sound to be mixed up with.
Mou某
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You should clarify by pinyin do you mean Mandarin pinyin or Sichuan pinyin.
NS.X.
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The pronouciation of **u** (used for finals only) is the same as **w** (used for initials only) in mandarin pinyin system, also **i** is same as **y**, etc. The purpose is to make it easier to distinguish the each syllable.
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Can the dialectical final "ue" be written in pinyin "ue"?
# Can the dialectical final "ue" be written in pinyin "ue"?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-11-20)

The final `ue` can be found in some Chinese dialects/topolects. It seems to also be written properly as `uɛ` if I'm not mistaken.

The Wikipedia page for [Sichuanese Mandarin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuanese_Mandarin) lists an example:

> uɛ
>
> **ue**
>
> **国**

Which I would understand could be written, in full, as `gue` without any sort of tone markings.

Does `ue`/`uɛ` just equate to pinyin `ue`?

**Tags:** pinyin, topolect

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: @倪阔乐 Isn't Mandarin's ue [y̯ø] not technically -üe [y̯ø] (as wiki mentions), like ü [y] after j, q, x, or y where it is just simply written as u because there is no u [u] sound to be mixed up with.  
> **username_1**: You should clarify by pinyin do you mean Mandarin pinyin or Sichuan pinyin.  
> **username_2**: The pronouciation of **u** (used for finals only) is the same as **w** (used for initials only) in mandarin pinyin system, also **i** is same as **y**, etc. The purpose is to make it easier to distinguish the each syllable.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2016-04-25. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Hanyu Pinyin is generally used for Standard Chinese. If you want to represent /uɛ/ in something consistent with Hanyu Pinyin, you could use *uê*. The Wikipedia article was using Sichuanese Pinyin, which may not be compatible with Hanyu Pinyin.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I'm just concerned about that the diacritic above the e (ê) will be misconstrued as a tonality marker.  
> **username_3**: It could be, but according to Hanyu Pinyin, ê does represent /ɛ/. Then the same would go for the umlaut on ü, which represents /y/.  
> **username_0**: Hokkienese fifth tone (陽平) uses `^` as its tone marker. /y/ for instance in Mandarin is only ü in certain places but u in others like yu 玉.  
> **username_3**: I see what you mean, but POJ or Tâi-lô is quite incompatible with Pinyin. Also, _ê_ is also used in the Hakka romanization scheme (Guangdong Dept of Education) for /ɛ/.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2016-04-23. Score: 0

**ue** and **üe** are pronounced differently.  
  
**ue** is not used in Mandarin. Only **üe** is used.

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Edit:

The questioner was actually asking about using Hanyu Pinyin to transcribe Sichuanese. Hanyu Pinyin was designed as a tool to teach the speaking of mandarin, but it is still possible to capture words in Sichuanese using the closest possible combinations. I see no problem with doing so since this is probably the best you can get. But since it is still an approximation, if you stick to it methodologically your pronunciation will sound a little off to native speakers.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: @user3306356 Sorry could you please elaborate your question a little more? I thought you were asking whether or not "ue" in Sichuanese Mandarin equates "ue" in Mandarin. But "ue" is simply not used in Mandarin, hence my answer.  
> **username_0**: I'm not bothered about mandarin, I'm just asking if “ue” would be acceptable as Sichuanese pinyin.  
> **username_4**: @user3306356 I see. Hanyu Pinyin was designed as a tool to teach the speaking of mandarin. It is possible to capture words in Sichuanese using the closest possible combinations, but it is still an approximation. I see no problem with using Hanyu Pinyin to transcribe Sichuanese since this is probably the best you can get. But if you stick to it methodologically, your pronunciation will sound a little off to native speakers.  
> **username_4**: @user3306356 I edited my answer to address your actual question (the same thing I said in my comment, albeit rephrased).  

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