<p>Here is a list of character:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chise.org/ids-find?components=%26A-CDP-8CF0%3B" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.chise.org/ids-find?components=%26A-CDP-8CF0%3B</a></p>
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<p>With some search I found this website <a href="http://www.chise.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.chise.org/</a>.</p>
<p>I'll quote some of its intoduction here:</p>
<blockquote>
<h1>For freedom of character representation</h1>
<p>The CHISE (CHaracter Information Service Environment) project is an open source research and development project aiming at realizing a next-generation character processing environment that is not restricted by general-purpose coded character sets by directly using various knowledge of characters. We attempt to realize a free and advanced character processing environment and conduct research and development as follows:</p>
<ul>
<li>Research on architecture</li>
<li>Development of foundation system / application</li>
<li>Development of character ontology and other datasets related about characters</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>It's basically in Japanese but the characters in Japanese and Chinese have the same origin.</p>
<p>It has a <a href="http://www.chise.org/ids-find" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Chise IDS find</a>, which can look up characters with a certain component. But for components that cannot be represented by Unicode, you have to find the ID of the component first.</p>
<p>So for your particular case, “益” can be looked up in the &quot;CHISE-wiki character finder&quot; on the main page, and then you get a <a href="http://www.chise.org/est/view/character/%E7%9B%8A" rel="nofollow noreferrer">detailed breakdown of &quot;益&quot;</a>. In the break down, you can find the component you are interested in. By clicking the component, you will be directed to a page of the component. And at the bottom of that page, there is such a button says &quot;を含む漢字を探す (search) &quot;. It is in Japanese and it means &quot;find characters containing ...&quot;. By clicking search, you will get to the page on the top of this post, a list of characters that contains the component.</p>

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fefe
<p>The top part of 「益」 is just a 「氺」 (水) rotated 90 degrees.</p>
<p><kbd><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_dynasty" rel="nofollow noreferrer">秦</a><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_and_wooden_slips" rel="nofollow noreferrer">簡</a><br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/6SMzW.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/6SMzW.png" alt="" /></a><br>12.47<br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuihudi_Qin_bamboo_texts" rel="nofollow noreferrer">睡虎地秦簡</a></kbd><kbd><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_seal_script" rel="nofollow noreferrer">篆</a><br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/cjUyS.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/cjUyS.png" alt="" /></a><br><a href="https://ctext.org/library.pl?if=gb&amp;file=77390&amp;page=36" rel="nofollow noreferrer">皿部</a><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuowen_Jiezi" rel="nofollow noreferrer">說文解字</a></kbd><kbd><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#Eastern_Han" rel="nofollow noreferrer">東漢</a><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_script" rel="nofollow noreferrer">隸</a><br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/eQMS8.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/eQMS8.png" alt="" /></a><br>華山廟碑<br>　</kbd><kbd><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_script" rel="nofollow noreferrer">楷</a><br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/hu9Wx.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/hu9Wx.png" alt="" /></a><br><br>　</kbd></p>
<p><kbd>秦<br>簡<br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/S9ija.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/S9ija.png" alt="" /></a><br>25.46<br>睡虎地秦簡</kbd><kbd><br>篆<br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/eI1ef.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/eI1ef.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a><br><a href="https://ctext.org/library.pl?if=gb&amp;file=77391&amp;page=104" rel="nofollow noreferrer">水部</a><br>說文解字</kbd><kbd>東漢<br>隸<br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/M59mR.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/M59mR.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a><br>郙閣頌<br>　</kbd><kbd><br>楷<br><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/tvS7W.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/tvS7W.png" alt="" /></a><br><br>　</kbd></p>
<p>This makes the top part of 「益」 just a variant of 「水」. Predictably, the character 「㳑」 is the variant with more standard components, although this character itself is not standard.</p>
<hr />
<p>Normally, a search for a list like the one in the question would also incorporate everything containing 「水」, just like a search for everything containing 「水」 would normally include everything containing 「氵」.</p>
<p>If you only want characters containing an arbitrary component 「Ｘ」, in general, I would advise against going through an ideographic description sequence decomposition database like CHISE or Pleco's component search containing 「Ｘ」, at least not without some due diligence checking later. The results which turn up are very misleading if you're not careful. For example, the search for 「⿱䒑八」 in CHISE literally turns up everything which</p>
<ul>
<li>contains regular script strokes which look like 「䒑」, an abbreviation for many things including 「艹」, on top of</li>
<li>a bunch of regular script strokes which look like 「八」</li>
</ul>
<p>「水」, written sideways or not, does <strong>not</strong> contain 「䒑」 and/or 「八」. There are other  characters which contain the stroke sequence 「⿱䒑八」 like 「」, which is an abbreviation/corruption of 「檐」.</p>
<hr />
<p>A cursory glance at some of the CHISE results shows that the number of encoded characters containing sideways 「水」 is quite limited. Apart from everything containing 「益」, that database lists</p>
<ul>
<li><p>「」 (variant of 「滅」 where the 「水」 is shifted to the bottom and rotated sideways)</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/lG8wv.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/lG8wv.png" alt="" /></a></p>
</li>
<li><p>A few characters containing 「」 (variant of 「涉」 where the 「水」 is shifted below 「止」 and rotated sideways)</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/I7H3G.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/I7H3G.png" alt="" /></a></p>
<ul>
<li><p>「」 (variant of 「瀕」)</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/4ik6Z.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/4ik6Z.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
</li>
<li><p>「」</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/bto1f.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/bto1f.png" alt="" /></a></p>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>

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dROOOze
<p>Further to <a href="https://chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/40116/what-semantic-notions-underlie-wet-moist-and-profit">this question</a>. According to &quot;Outlier Dictionary of Chinese Characters&quot; (which I have as a (paid-for) add-on in the <a href="https://www.pleco.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Pleco app</a>), in the character 益, the <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png" alt="flowing water component" /></a> component (top part of character, first 5 strokes) means &quot;flowing water&quot;.</p>
<p>How can I get a list of all the characters (simplified and traditional) that contain the same <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png" alt="flowing water component" /></a> &quot;flowing water&quot; component?</p>
<p>Pleco provides this list for most components, but it doesn't do it for this particular component.</p>
<p>A subsidiary question: does this component have a name in 中文? How would it be referred to in 中文?</p>

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It’s just 水 turned sideways. Asking for a specific name is missing the point - modern names and radicals and such have very little to do with the character components and their function.
dROOOze
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fefe
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@fefe: I wonder if you could turn that into an answer?  It looks a lot like a good reference to include in an answer to me.
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@Becky李蓓 I just came up with website through some search. It is the first time that I found the website. Currently, I don't know what I can add beside the link ... Maybe some introduction to the site? To be honest, I haven't read the homepage of the site yet ...
fefe
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How can I get a list of all the characters containing the "flowing water" component that is in 益?
# How can I get a list of all the characters containing the "flowing water" component that is in 益?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-07-20)

Further to [this question](https://chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/40116/what-semantic-notions-underlie-wet-moist-and-profit). According to "Outlier Dictionary of Chinese Characters" (which I have as a (paid-for) add-on in the [Pleco app](https://www.pleco.com/)), in the character 益, the [![flowing water component](https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png) component (top part of character, first 5 strokes) means "flowing water".

How can I get a list of all the characters (simplified and traditional) that contain the same [![flowing water component](https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/xotOv.png) "flowing water" component?

Pleco provides this list for most components, but it doesn't do it for this particular component.

A subsidiary question: does this component have a name in 中文? How would it be referred to in 中文?

**Tags:** characters, character-components

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: It’s just 水 turned sideways. Asking for a specific name is missing the point - modern names and radicals and such have very little to do with the character components and their function.  
> **username_2**: http://www.chise.org/ids-find?components=%26A-CDP-8CF0%3B  
> **username_3**: @username_2: I wonder if you could turn that into an answer?  It looks a lot like a good reference to include in an answer to me.  
> **username_2**: @username_3 I just came up with website through some search. It is the first time that I found the website. Currently, I don't know what I can add beside the link ... Maybe some introduction to the site? To be honest, I haven't read the homepage of the site yet ...  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2020-07-21. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Here is a list of character:

<http://www.chise.org/ids-find?components=%26A-CDP-8CF0%3B>

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With some search I found this website <http://www.chise.org/>.

I'll quote some of its intoduction here:

> # For freedom of character representation
>
> The CHISE (CHaracter Information Service Environment) project is an open source research and development project aiming at realizing a next-generation character processing environment that is not restricted by general-purpose coded character sets by directly using various knowledge of characters. We attempt to realize a free and advanced character processing environment and conduct research and development as follows:
>
> * Research on architecture
> * Development of foundation system / application
> * Development of character ontology and other datasets related about characters

It's basically in Japanese but the characters in Japanese and Chinese have the same origin.

It has a [Chise IDS find](http://www.chise.org/ids-find), which can look up characters with a certain component. But for components that cannot be represented by Unicode, you have to find the ID of the component first.

So for your particular case, “益” can be looked up in the "CHISE-wiki character finder" on the main page, and then you get a [detailed breakdown of "益"](http://www.chise.org/est/view/character/%E7%9B%8A). In the break down, you can find the component you are interested in. By clicking the component, you will be directed to a page of the component. And at the bottom of that page, there is such a button says "を含む漢字を探す (search) ". It is in Japanese and it means "find characters containing ...". By clicking search, you will get to the page on the top of this post, a list of characters that contains the component.


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### Answer by username_1 on 2020-07-20. Score: 4

The top part of 「益」 is just a 「氺」 (水) rotated 90 degrees.

`秦  
簡  
![](https://i.sstatic.net/6SMzW.png)  
12.47  
睡虎地秦簡` `篆  
![](https://i.sstatic.net/cjUyS.png)  
皿部  
說文解字``東漢  
隸  
![](https://i.sstatic.net/eQMS8.png)  
華山廟碑` `楷  
![](https://i.sstatic.net/hu9Wx.png)`

`秦  
簡  
![](https://i.sstatic.net/S9ija.png)  
25.46  
睡虎地秦簡` `篆  
![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/eI1ef.png)  
水部  
說文解字``東漢  
隸  
![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/M59mR.png)  
郙閣頌` `楷  
![](https://i.sstatic.net/tvS7W.png)`

This makes the top part of 「益」 just a variant of 「水」. Predictably, the character 「㳑」 is the variant with more standard components, although this character itself is not standard.

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Normally, a search for a list like the one in the question would also incorporate everything containing 「水」, just like a search for everything containing 「水」 would normally include everything containing 「氵」.

If you only want characters containing an arbitrary component 「Ｘ」, in general, I would advise against going through an ideographic description sequence decomposition database like CHISE or Pleco's component search containing 「Ｘ」, at least not without some due diligence checking later. The results which turn up are very misleading if you're not careful. For example, the search for 「⿱䒑八」 in CHISE literally turns up everything which

* contains regular script strokes which look like 「䒑」, an abbreviation for many things including 「艹」, on top of
* a bunch of regular script strokes which look like 「八」

「水」, written sideways or not, does **not** contain 「䒑」 and/or 「八」. There are other characters which contain the stroke sequence 「⿱䒑八」 like 「」, which is an abbreviation/corruption of 「檐」.

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A cursory glance at some of the CHISE results shows that the number of encoded characters containing sideways 「水」 is quite limited. Apart from everything containing 「益」, that database lists

* 「」 (variant of 「滅」 where the 「水」 is shifted to the bottom and rotated sideways)

  [![](https://i.sstatic.net/lG8wv.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/lG8wv.png)
* A few characters containing 「」 (variant of 「涉」 where the 「水」 is shifted below 「止」 and rotated sideways)

  [![](https://i.sstatic.net/I7H3G.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/I7H3G.png)

  + 「」 (variant of 「瀕」)

    [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/4ik6Z.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/4ik6Z.png)
  + 「」

    [![](https://i.sstatic.net/bto1f.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/bto1f.png)


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