<p>If we disregard the existing historic translation <code>Demon City</code>, and want to come up with a more, perhaps "modern" English translation to convey what early 20th century Shanghai was like, then what about: <code>Sin City</code>. It is still used to describe historic Shanghai, as seen in these examples: </p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Sin City Shanghai | For a short time in the beginning of the 20th century this city ... Shanghai was THE island of wickedness on the Chinese continent.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="http://travel-alphabet.com/sin-city-shanghai/" rel="nofollow">http://travel-alphabet.com/sin-city-shanghai/</a></p>

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  <p>Sin cities in which you can pursue vice and debauchery have existed throughout history, from Rome’s ..., to Shanghai where you could float for days in opium dens high on sex and drugs.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="http://www.askmen.com/top_10/travel/top-10-sin-cities.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.askmen.com/top_10/travel/top-10-sin-cities.html</a></p>

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2015-09-24T02:27:31.417Z
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clarity123
<p>Why not "Mordor"... I have always believed this is the only correct transl(iter)ation.</p>

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2015-09-23T18:58:48.407Z
Good idea, but when 帝都 and 魔都 come up together, which word would you choose for 帝都?
Stan
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2015-09-24T02:27:25.223Z
Interesting choice, but since Mordor and 魔都 are unrelated etymologically and also have very different meanings, this would be a poor translation. They only sound similar, coincidentally.
congusbongus
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2015-09-23T18:42:26.727Z
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Siyi Deng
<p>Strictly on its own and without any contextual reference, 魔都, can only mean "Devil / Evil City" and calling it a "Metropolis" makes no semantic difference.   </p>

<p>Since the author 村松梢風, Muramatsu Shōfu, is Japanese, then the Japanese translation for 魔都 should carry the intended meaning; and as I found out, 魔都 is "Mazu" which means "Magic City"</p>

<p>But WiKi says, "In his 1924 novel Mato (“Demon City”, 1924), he portrayed the dichotomy of Shanghai – a modern, beautiful, civilized façade, hiding a darker side populated by all manner of criminals and vice"</p>

<p>So there you have it. Pick the one meaning that suits your idea of Shanghai, now and in 1924, assuming you were alive in Shanghai then.</p>

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Wayne Cheah
<p>Demon city definitely is not a good interpretation of Shanghai. I believe “Magic city” or “Enchanting city” is better.</p>

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Chinwen Lin
<p>I would use <code>Shanghai (the Magic City)</code> or whatever name I like to translate in the parenthesis. Simply use a nickname is too much for English speaking audience and very likely they won’t understand what you’re talking about. </p>

<p>Personally I like Modern City or Magic City. </p>

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sylvia
<p>I know it is referring to Shanghai, and Baidu has a handy explanation of its origins <a href="http://baike.baidu.com/subview/1353406/10221125.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>, but how would you translate it? "The Mystic Capital"? "The Devilish Capital"? 
In the theme of 帝都 to describe Beijing as the "The Imperial capital" etc.</p>

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The Magic Capital
xenophōn
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I think **the magical metropolis** would be better when I view this question again now.
xenophōn
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How would you translate 魔都 in English?
# How would you translate 魔都 in English?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-09-19)

I know it is referring to Shanghai, and Baidu has a handy explanation of its origins [here](http://baike.baidu.com/subview/1353406/10221125.htm), but how would you translate it? "The Mystic Capital"? "The Devilish Capital"?
In the theme of 帝都 to describe Beijing as the "The Imperial capital" etc.

**Tags:** translation, vocabulary

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The Magic Capital  
> **username_1**: I think **the magical metropolis** would be better when I view this question again now.  

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## 5 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2015-09-24. Score: 2

If we disregard the existing historic translation `Demon City`, and want to come up with a more, perhaps "modern" English translation to convey what early 20th century Shanghai was like, then what about: `Sin City`. It is still used to describe historic Shanghai, as seen in these examples:

> Sin City Shanghai | For a short time in the beginning of the 20th century this city ... Shanghai was THE island of wickedness on the Chinese continent.

<http://travel-alphabet.com/sin-city-shanghai/>

> Sin cities in which you can pursue vice and debauchery have existed throughout history, from Rome’s ..., to Shanghai where you could float for days in opium dens high on sex and drugs.

<http://www.askmen.com/top_10/travel/top-10-sin-cities.html>


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### Answer by username_3 on 2015-09-23. Score: 1

Why not "Mordor"... I have always believed this is the only correct transl(iter)ation.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: Good idea, but when 帝都 and 魔都 come up together, which word would you choose for 帝都?  
> **username_5**: Interesting choice, but since Mordor and 魔都 are unrelated etymologically and also have very different meanings, this would be a poor translation. They only sound similar, coincidentally.  

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### Answer by username_6 on 2019-12-15. Score: 0

Strictly on its own and without any contextual reference, 魔都, can only mean "Devil / Evil City" and calling it a "Metropolis" makes no semantic difference.

Since the author 村松梢風, Muramatsu Shōfu, is Japanese, then the Japanese translation for 魔都 should carry the intended meaning; and as I found out, 魔都 is "Mazu" which means "Magic City"

But WiKi says, "In his 1924 novel Mato (“Demon City”, 1924), he portrayed the dichotomy of Shanghai – a modern, beautiful, civilized façade, hiding a darker side populated by all manner of criminals and vice"

So there you have it. Pick the one meaning that suits your idea of Shanghai, now and in 1924, assuming you were alive in Shanghai then.


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### Answer by username_7 on 2019-12-14. Score: 0

Demon city definitely is not a good interpretation of Shanghai. I believe “Magic city” or “Enchanting city” is better.


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### Answer by username_8 on 2019-12-15. Score: 0

I would use `Shanghai (the Magic City)` or whatever name I like to translate in the parenthesis. Simply use a nickname is too much for English speaking audience and very likely they won’t understand what you’re talking about.

Personally I like Modern City or Magic City.


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