<p>i would suggest 叢 (u+53e2):</p>

<p><a href="http://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/cgi-bin/cbdic/gsweb.cgi?ccd=vZFQLg&amp;o=e0&amp;sec=sec1&amp;op=v&amp;view=0-2" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/cgi-bin/cbdic/gsweb.cgi?ccd=vZFQLg&amp;o=e0&amp;sec=sec1&amp;op=v&amp;view=0-2</a></p>

<p>eg 一叢莢蒾</p>

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<p>I usually wait for a week before cross-posting, but it's been 6 days, so I decided not to wait till tomorrow. Again, asked on Quora, no response, marked as needing editing.</p>

<p><strong>Question</strong></p>

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  <p>What classifier is best suited for the word 莢蒾, "guelder rose"? In particular, is there a better choice than the general-purpose 个?</p>
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<p>NOTE: I know "guelder rose" is actually 欧洲荚谜, but I used this in a song translation where I do not have enough syllables for that 4-syllable name, so I dropped Ōuzhōu, hoping the difference won't be excessive.</p>

<p><strong>NOTE 2</strong></p>

<p>While "guelder rose" suggests a flower and hence 朵, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viburnum_opulus" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this is 欧洲荚谜</a> (aka viburnum opulus) and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viburnum_dilatatum" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this is just 荚谜</a> (aka viburnum dilatatum). Both of these are more like bushes than flowers, so I feel 朵 would not be correct. One might argue that 一朵荚谜 would be a flower of viburnum dilatatum, but in the song I need this for I believe the whole plant is what is being referred to, not just the flower, so 朵 doesn't feel right to me.</p>

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2018-02-02T22:50:42.063Z
Rose? 朵? No? What else?
Mou某
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@user3306356 Given that we are talking about [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viburnum_opulus), which is rather a bush or plant than a flower, I wonder why it's "guelder rose" in English, and feel 朵 may not be the right answer, since it is for flowers.
MickG
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One may use 朵 to refer to the plant's flowers, but in the song I believe the whole plant is being referred to.
MickG
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@user3306356 added that as a NOTE to the question.
MickG
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2018-02-02T23:07:20.457Z
Then perhaps 株 or 簇
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Classifier choice for 荚谜
# Classifier choice for 荚谜

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-02-02)

**Cross-post notice**

I usually wait for a week before cross-posting, but it's been 6 days, so I decided not to wait till tomorrow. Again, asked on Quora, no response, marked as needing editing.

**Question**

> What classifier is best suited for the word 莢蒾, "guelder rose"? In particular, is there a better choice than the general-purpose 个?

NOTE: I know "guelder rose" is actually 欧洲荚谜, but I used this in a song translation where I do not have enough syllables for that 4-syllable name, so I dropped Ōuzhōu, hoping the difference won't be excessive.

**NOTE 2**

While "guelder rose" suggests a flower and hence 朵, [this is 欧洲荚谜](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viburnum_opulus) (aka viburnum opulus) and [this is just 荚谜](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viburnum_dilatatum) (aka viburnum dilatatum). Both of these are more like bushes than flowers, so I feel 朵 would not be correct. One might argue that 一朵荚谜 would be a flower of viburnum dilatatum, but in the song I need this for I believe the whole plant is what is being referred to, not just the flower, so 朵 doesn't feel right to me.

**Tags:** grammar, measure-word

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Rose? 朵? No? What else?  
> **username_0**: @user3306356 Given that we are talking about [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viburnum_opulus), which is rather a bush or plant than a flower, I wonder why it's "guelder rose" in English, and feel 朵 may not be the right answer, since it is for flowers.  
> **username_0**: One may use 朵 to refer to the plant's flowers, but in the song I believe the whole plant is being referred to.  
> **username_0**: @user3306356 added that as a NOTE to the question.  
> **username_1**: Then perhaps 株 or 簇  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-02-02. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

i would suggest 叢 (u+53e2):

<http://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/cgi-bin/cbdic/gsweb.cgi?ccd=vZFQLg&o=e0&sec=sec1&op=v&view=0-2>

eg 一叢莢蒾


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