<p>This would be very unstable in a human language. For an example of what happens when this vowel is missing, let's look at English's Great Vowel Shift. One of the first things to change was /i:/ becoming /aj/, leaving it without /i/. Within less than a hundred years, /e:/ had migrated to take its place. </p>

<p>In your specific case, I would expect /e/ -> /i/, /a/ -> /e/, and /o/ -> /ɒ/ in fairly short order.</p>

<p>This is because vowels like to spread out on the vowel chart and become more distinct to improve understanding. Because of the limitations of your mouth making it difficult to have highly fronted low vowels, the general rule is that you will have more high vowels than mid or low vowels. Your vowel system violates this universal (with more mid vowels than high vowels).</p>

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While this is a good point, it is assuming human biology, and of course not all conlangs are for humans.
curiousdannii
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@curiousdannii Fair point. I've edited my answer to clarify that it is only applicable for human languages, such being the only ones I know anything about.
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@Duncan For a three-vowel system /a e o/ I would expect it to go to /a i u/, but OP posited a _four-vowel_ system /a e o u/, which I am anticipating would go to /e i ɒ u/. I don't mention /u/ since nothing happens to it.
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<p>For a constructed language, this is definitely possible. It is not a natural choice but not completely unseen in natural languages, according to <a href="https://phoible.org/parameters" rel="noreferrer">PHOIBLE</a> 92% of the sampled languages contain the vowel /i/.</p>

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Sir Cornflakes
<p>A vowel system of /a e o u/ would certainly be unusual and unstable, and appears to be unattested, but lack of /i/ is certainly attested. Marshallese, for instance, has the thoroughly strange vowel inventory of /a ɜ ɘ ɨ/ (though [i] is present phonetically, as an allophone of /ɨ/). Kalam has a vowel system of /a e o/ (though [i] is again present phonetically, as an allophone of /j/). And, depending on which website you trust, Hixkaryana has either /a e ɨ o u/ or /æ e ɯ ɔ u/.</p>

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<p>you could, with conlangs you really can do anything. it doesn't need to make sense.</p>
<p>however you should probably ask yourself what your goal is with that.
if you're going for naturalism, /i/ is one of the most universal sounds crosslinguistically, a language without /i/ is practically unheard of... even languages that don't have an /i/ in the inventory will usually have it as an allophone of something.
of course, nothing is stopping you from making a naturalistic lang with no /i/ still... it would be a weird trait, but overall, hardly any real life language is 100% naturalistic, and they tend to have strange quirks. even if this one is one of a kind, if you are going for naturalism in other areas, it could probably be passable.</p>
<p>if you want to make an auxlang, then again, lack of /i/ would be strange given it is easy to pronounce, and seen in practically all languages.</p>
<p>if you want an artlang and you simply dont like the sound of /i/ then there's not much otherwise stopping you. the same if your language is for a non-human phonology.</p>

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helsy
<p>My vowel phonemic inventory would be just /a/, /e/, /o/ and /u/ with no /i/ sound. Is this possible or not?</p>

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Of course it's possible, how could it not be? If you mean would it be *natural*, you need to specifically ask that, it's not assumed on this site.
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Vowels behave like monopole magnets or strangers in a lift. If you put three strangers/magnets in the vowel chart, they will 'repel' and end up in the corners (Arabic has three vowels, in corners: /a i u/). This doesn't mean it's impossible: it could be "about to happen" (see Andrew Ray's answer) or a "stable equilibrium" could be reached without /i/ (Marshallese /a ɜ ɘ ɨ/, see bradrn's answer). Another rule about vowels is that they are slightly 'repelled' from the center.
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Four vowels, with no /i/ sound. Is it possible?
# Four vowels, with no /i/ sound. Is it possible?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-05-05)

My vowel phonemic inventory would be just /a/, /e/, /o/ and /u/ with no /i/ sound. Is this possible or not?

**Tags:** phonology, phonetics, vowels

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Of course it's possible, how could it not be? If you mean would it be *natural*, you need to specifically ask that, it's not assumed on this site.  
> **username_2**: Vowels behave like monopole magnets or strangers in a lift. If you put three strangers/magnets in the vowel chart, they will 'repel' and end up in the corners (Arabic has three vowels, in corners: /a i u/). This doesn't mean it's impossible: it could be "about to happen" (see Andrew Ray's answer) or a "stable equilibrium" could be reached without /i/ (Marshallese /a ɜ ɘ ɨ/, see username_5's answer). Another rule about vowels is that they are slightly 'repelled' from the center.  

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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2020-05-05. Score: 9

This would be very unstable in a human language. For an example of what happens when this vowel is missing, let's look at English's Great Vowel Shift. One of the first things to change was /i:/ becoming /aj/, leaving it without /i/. Within less than a hundred years, /e:/ had migrated to take its place.

In your specific case, I would expect /e/ -> /i/, /a/ -> /e/, and /o/ -> /ɒ/ in fairly short order.

This is because vowels like to spread out on the vowel chart and become more distinct to improve understanding. Because of the limitations of your mouth making it difficult to have highly fronted low vowels, the general rule is that you will have more high vowels than mid or low vowels. Your vowel system violates this universal (with more mid vowels than high vowels).

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: While this is a good point, it is assuming human biology, and of course not all conlangs are for humans.  
> **username_3**: @username_1 Fair point. I've edited my answer to clarify that it is only applicable for human languages, such being the only ones I know anything about.  
> **username_3**: @username_2 For a three-vowel system /a e o/ I would expect it to go to /a i u/, but OP posited a _four-vowel_ system /a e o u/, which I am anticipating would go to /e i ɒ u/. I don't mention /u/ since nothing happens to it.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2020-05-05. Score: 7

For a constructed language, this is definitely possible. It is not a natural choice but not completely unseen in natural languages, according to [PHOIBLE](https://phoible.org/parameters) 92% of the sampled languages contain the vowel /i/.


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### Answer by username_5 on 2020-12-12. Score: 2

A vowel system of /a e o u/ would certainly be unusual and unstable, and appears to be unattested, but lack of /i/ is certainly attested. Marshallese, for instance, has the thoroughly strange vowel inventory of /a ɜ ɘ ɨ/ (though [i] is present phonetically, as an allophone of /ɨ/). Kalam has a vowel system of /a e o/ (though [i] is again present phonetically, as an allophone of /j/). And, depending on which website you trust, Hixkaryana has either /a e ɨ o u/ or /æ e ɯ ɔ u/.


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### Answer by username_6 on 2020-12-17. Score: 1

you could, with conlangs you really can do anything. it doesn't need to make sense.

however you should probably ask yourself what your goal is with that.
if you're going for naturalism, /i/ is one of the most universal sounds crosslinguistically, a language without /i/ is practically unheard of... even languages that don't have an /i/ in the inventory will usually have it as an allophone of something.
of course, nothing is stopping you from making a naturalistic lang with no /i/ still... it would be a weird trait, but overall, hardly any real life language is 100% naturalistic, and they tend to have strange quirks. even if this one is one of a kind, if you are going for naturalism in other areas, it could probably be passable.

if you want to make an auxlang, then again, lack of /i/ would be strange given it is easy to pronounce, and seen in practically all languages.

if you want an artlang and you simply dont like the sound of /i/ then there's not much otherwise stopping you. the same if your language is for a non-human phonology.


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