<p>Note that you as the conlang designer control both ends of the chain: The final wordform and the etymology. So you can play with both parts until the result meets your wishes.</p>
<p>So you can start with the wordform <em>Amrar</em> and search for an etymology, splitting it up as <em>Am-rar</em> and find some meanings for <em>Am</em> and <em>rar</em>, say <em>am</em> is short for <em>amon</em> &quot;hill, mountain&quot; and <em>rar</em> is &quot;roar, load noise&quot;, making your mighty dragon a &quot;mountain-roar(er)&quot;. Tolkien used this approach a lot. The backside of this approach is that the conlang becomes difficult to maintain.</p>
<p>EDIT: Going the other way, starting with <em>arán</em> and <em>kile</em>, you can vary the order of the two stems, Maybe <em>Kilarán</em> sounds better than <em>Aránkil</em>?  It is your decision. You can also throw in some sounds between the two stems, say <em>Aránskil</em> with an inserted s, you can insert a vowel, say a, to yield <em>Aranakil</em>, you can assimilate the n to the k giving <em>Arángkil</em>.</p>
<p>Starting with roots from your conlang, there are still a lot of creative possibilites to combine them in compounds: Inserting a <em>Fugenelement</em> (example from German <em>Herz-ens-sache</em> &quot;affair of the heart&quot;, from <em>Herz</em> &quot;heart&quot; and <em>Sache</em> &quot;thing, affair&quot;, <em>ens</em> being the <em>Fugenelement</em> without meaning), applying some assimilations or dissimilations, dropping syllables from long words (syncope), ...).</p>

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<p>So, draconic in the setting is used to name places, people, and communication in general. I skipped through most of the phonotactics as I'm using the Hungarian template. So as I filled out entries in my Swadesh list, I ran a small experiment:</p>

<p>arán (sun) + kile (feather) = Oh, f@ck me! <strong>How am I supposed to combine two words, this incompatible, into a pair of names?</strong></p>

<p>More precisely, I had a name, <em>Amrar</em> (pronounce: Ámrár), created before through a different method and without having a whole conlang in mind. Compared to <em>Aránkile</em> (which I  modified into <em>Áranki/Árenkil</em>, a male and a female form) its soft m, loud and clear á, and grizzly r does a good job of giving off the vibes you'd expect from a golden dragon, regal, powerful, intimidating but still kind. This worked when I was going for vibes, even if it had no meaning or roots in a language at the end. However, I feel like I'm writing myself into a corner with this vocabulary.</p>

<p>I don't want my language to sound like it was generated on vulgarlang.com. I have to maintain my control over the "loudness" curve of each word, their length and which phoneme I use, based on their place of articulation. <strong>What should I do to balance the "sounds like an orc/elf/typical politician" with the "names have a meaning"?</strong></p>

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Not an answer, but what pops into my head is the way consonants change by being misheard or mispronounced by children then repeated. K becomes hard G, L becomes R, some letters get left out etc..
Jiminy Cricket.
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I don't really understand what your issue actually is.  Arankile seems perfectly fine as a combined form. Can you clarify what it is you're looking for: what makes those words incompatible; what is it you're actually trying to do?
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For an "Elvish" sound, look at this question and its answers: https://conlang.stackexchange.com/questions/589/what-are-the-common-features-of-elvish-conlangs?rq=1
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How to make names in a conlang?
# How to make names in a conlang?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-05-24)

So, draconic in the setting is used to name places, people, and communication in general. I skipped through most of the phonotactics as I'm using the Hungarian template. So as I filled out entries in my Swadesh list, I ran a small experiment:

arán (sun) + kile (feather) = Oh, f@ck me! **How am I supposed to combine two words, this incompatible, into a pair of names?**

More precisely, I had a name, *Amrar* (pronounce: Ámrár), created before through a different method and without having a whole conlang in mind. Compared to *Aránkile* (which I modified into *Áranki/Árenkil*, a male and a female form) its soft m, loud and clear á, and grizzly r does a good job of giving off the vibes you'd expect from a golden dragon, regal, powerful, intimidating but still kind. This worked when I was going for vibes, even if it had no meaning or roots in a language at the end. However, I feel like I'm writing myself into a corner with this vocabulary.

I don't want my language to sound like it was generated on vulgarlang.com. I have to maintain my control over the "loudness" curve of each word, their length and which phoneme I use, based on their place of articulation. **What should I do to balance the "sounds like an orc/elf/typical politician" with the "names have a meaning"?**

**Tags:** conlang-creation, history, names

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Not an answer, but what pops into my head is the way consonants change by being misheard or mispronounced by children then repeated. K becomes hard G, L becomes R, some letters get left out etc..  
> **username_2**: I don't really understand what your issue actually is.  Arankile seems perfectly fine as a combined form. Can you clarify what it is you're looking for: what makes those words incompatible; what is it you're actually trying to do?  
> **username_3**: For an "Elvish" sound, look at this question and its answers: https://conlang.stackexchange.com/questions/589/what-are-the-common-features-of-elvish-conlangs?rq=1  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2020-05-27. Score: 6

Note that you as the conlang designer control both ends of the chain: The final wordform and the etymology. So you can play with both parts until the result meets your wishes.

So you can start with the wordform *Amrar* and search for an etymology, splitting it up as *Am-rar* and find some meanings for *Am* and *rar*, say *am* is short for *amon* "hill, mountain" and *rar* is "roar, load noise", making your mighty dragon a "mountain-roar(er)". Tolkien used this approach a lot. The backside of this approach is that the conlang becomes difficult to maintain.

EDIT: Going the other way, starting with *arán* and *kile*, you can vary the order of the two stems, Maybe *Kilarán* sounds better than *Aránkil*? It is your decision. You can also throw in some sounds between the two stems, say *Aránskil* with an inserted s, you can insert a vowel, say a, to yield *Aranakil*, you can assimilate the n to the k giving *Arángkil*.

Starting with roots from your conlang, there are still a lot of creative possibilites to combine them in compounds: Inserting a *Fugenelement* (example from German *Herz-ens-sache* "affair of the heart", from *Herz* "heart" and *Sache* "thing, affair", *ens* being the *Fugenelement* without meaning), applying some assimilations or dissimilations, dropping syllables from long words (syncope), ...).


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