<p>One fix to attempt before taking the machine into the shop is <strong>replacing the needle</strong>. A slightly bent needle can appear to be sewing correctly, but once you start going at speed it almost inevitably creates one of those nasty tangles.</p>

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Erica
<p>Any time I've had that problem, the bobbin was inserted in the holder the wrong way. What seemed like the right way was the wrong way.</p>

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Lois
<p>Another thing you might check is for knotted threads jamming the bobbin area. This happened to me after having consistent birdnesting on my piece, after checking the tension and upon removing the bobbin to check it and noticing the gigantic mess.</p>

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annag
<blockquote>
  <p>I've checked that my feed dogs are up, that the tension is on, that my
  bobbin is in the correct way, and that the upper thread is correctly
  threaded. Is there any other issues I should investigate before
  getting my machine looked at?</p>
</blockquote>

<p>So as to not be redundant, since you've checked most of the stuff that would go wrong first I suggest the following:</p>

<p>Needle point is important, be sure when sewing wovens you are using a needle with a sharp point (knits use ball point). The size of the needle is crucial. 
The weight of the thread may be too thick for this woven fabric. </p>

<p>The bobbin tension with this thread could be part of the issue. Try a different thread in the bobbin and topstitch with the thicker thread. Sometimes that's a good workaround for thread thickness. Different machines have the option to adjust the tension on bobbin casings.</p>

<p>Clean the bobbin holder and the entire bobbin area - no lint whatsoever. Test the machine with this thread and needle using muslin. Is this happening with other woven fabrics and other thread? If so, the timing is probably off. A tune up would be a good way to go.</p>

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Not The Face
<p>It will take some trial &amp; error, you need more top tension.  Period.
I don't usually mess with bobbin tension.  Only let a machine expert do that!</p>

<p>Each type of fabric may need different,  I usually take a couple 2" strips of the fabric and sample run, until it is the way I want it! </p>

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Joel Huebner
<p>Read your manual... but my manual for my 1892 and 1926 Singer machines, each a different model.  Say but one thing.  <strong>Too much thread tension.</strong> </p>

<p>Bobbin tension is one thing that hardly ever need attention.</p>

<p>Both manuals showing graphics much like your photo. </p>

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Joel Huebner
<p>The best solution I have found, other than comments read here, is through a UTube video called '5 quilting tips I wish I knew', by National Quilting Circle.  It's not about quilting, but it's about the machine, tension, thread, etc.  I am not affiliated with this group, but the information changed things for me in a good way.  I love my machines now.  PS  -use the cup for the cross wound thread and use the sewing machine bar, if you don't have one, buy one, it's worth it!  You'll know what I mean after you watch the video.  :-)</p>

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Milo Franks, welcome! Please make sure that you always post answers where the actual information is *in the answer*, not somewhere else. The [tour] and [help], especially [answer], will get you started in the right direction. If you have more questions, the community is here.
Stephie
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Milo, just to add to Stephie's comment, in addition to better explaining the "how-to" in your answer, it would be great if you could add a link to that video if it's publicly available online.  You seem pretty impressed with it, so it sounds like others could also benefit from watching it.  Thanks.
fixer1234
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Milo Franks
<p>Are you absolutely sure the upper thread is threaded correctly, especially through the tension control knob? (I would go ahead and re-thread the machine, since it's cheap to do.)</p>

<p>Other things to make sure of (most of which you've already done, but just for completeness' sake):</p>

<ul>
<li>The presser foot is fully down (on many machines, the tension isn't engaged unless the foot is down)</li>
<li>The tension control knob is set correctly.</li>
<li>The bobbin is inserted correctly</li>
<li>The bobbin thread is wound in the correct direction</li>
<li>The bobbin thread is raised correctly (with the presser foot up, pull on the bobbin thread: it should unspool freely with very little resistance)</li>
<li>The needle is sharp and straight</li>
<li>The feed dogs are engaged/the bobbin winder is not turned on</li>
</ul>

<p>Also, something that helped an old finicky machine I used to have was to clean out the bobbin area - the accumulated fuzz seemed to make it more prone to tension issues, somehow.</p>

<p>If none of that helps, I'm afraid it's time to visit the repair shop.</p>

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2016-06-24T19:37:04.270Z
On some machines I've used there is also a tension adjustment screw for the bottom thread that occasionally needs tweaking.  Tell-tale is if your upper tension is slacked off and it's still pulling too much thread to the top, or if the thread breaks before it stops leaving a ball on the bottom.  (Assuming everything else is correct.)
Perkins
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2016-06-27T08:04:50.133Z
@Martha Thanks for advice. I've rethreaded and also cleared out a load of 'fuzz' in and around the bobbin area. I carried out a lot of test stitching and there is an appreciable difference. Seems like the fuzz was adding and releasing tension ( sort of intermittent stick/release) causing the bunching. There was quite a bit of fuzz, maybe the quality of the thread was to blame for level of accumulation. Answer duly accepted!
BeaglesEnd
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Martha
<p>I've recently started using a sewing machine to make simple cushion covers. But I've run into a consistent problem of bunching. Below is an example of what I'm experiencing:</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/GxBW5.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/GxBW5.jpg" alt="Thread bunching"></a></p>

<p>I've checked that my feed dogs are up, that the tension is on, that my bobbin is in the correct way, and that the upper thread is correctly threaded. Is there any other issues I should investigate before getting my machine looked at?</p>

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2016-06-24T12:28:06.153Z
Have you checked the tension of upper vs. lower thread?
Stephie
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2016-06-24T13:39:00.540Z
@Stephie Could you maybe add this as an answer and expand a little? Explain how this might affect the thread and any other symptoms.
BeaglesEnd
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2016-06-24T17:34:16.280Z
When using my machine, this would usually happen immediately after I switched to a new bobbin, so I'd sew a couple inches on scrap fabric and let the threads work it out on their own.
jackwise
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How can I stop my thread from bunching when using a sewing machine?
BeaglesEnd
# How can I stop my thread from bunching when using a sewing machine?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-06-24)

I've recently started using a sewing machine to make simple cushion covers. But I've run into a consistent problem of bunching. Below is an example of what I'm experiencing:

[![Thread bunching](https://i.sstatic.net/GxBW5.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/GxBW5.jpg)

I've checked that my feed dogs are up, that the tension is on, that my bobbin is in the correct way, and that the upper thread is correctly threaded. Is there any other issues I should investigate before getting my machine looked at?

**Tags:** sewing, sewing-machine

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Have you checked the tension of upper vs. lower thread?  
> **username_0**: @username_1 Could you maybe add this as an answer and expand a little? Explain how this might affect the thread and any other symptoms.  
> **username_2**: When using my machine, this would usually happen immediately after I switched to a new bobbin, so I'd sew a couple inches on scrap fabric and let the threads work it out on their own.  

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## 8 answers

### Answer by username_10 on 2016-06-24. Score: 14 | Accepted answer

Are you absolutely sure the upper thread is threaded correctly, especially through the tension control knob? (I would go ahead and re-thread the machine, since it's cheap to do.)

Other things to make sure of (most of which you've already done, but just for completeness' sake):

* The presser foot is fully down (on many machines, the tension isn't engaged unless the foot is down)
* The tension control knob is set correctly.
* The bobbin is inserted correctly
* The bobbin thread is wound in the correct direction
* The bobbin thread is raised correctly (with the presser foot up, pull on the bobbin thread: it should unspool freely with very little resistance)
* The needle is sharp and straight
* The feed dogs are engaged/the bobbin winder is not turned on

Also, something that helped an old finicky machine I used to have was to clean out the bobbin area - the accumulated fuzz seemed to make it more prone to tension issues, somehow.

If none of that helps, I'm afraid it's time to visit the repair shop.

> **Comments:**
> **username_11**: On some machines I've used there is also a tension adjustment screw for the bottom thread that occasionally needs tweaking.  Tell-tale is if your upper tension is slacked off and it's still pulling too much thread to the top, or if the thread breaks before it stops leaving a ball on the bottom.  (Assuming everything else is correct.)  
> **username_0**: @username_10 Thanks for advice. I've rethreaded and also cleared out a load of 'fuzz' in and around the bobbin area. I carried out a lot of test stitching and there is an appreciable difference. Seems like the fuzz was adding and releasing tension ( sort of intermittent stick/release) causing the bunching. There was quite a bit of fuzz, maybe the quality of the thread was to blame for level of accumulation. Answer duly accepted!  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2016-06-24. Score: 6

One fix to attempt before taking the machine into the shop is **replacing the needle**. A slightly bent needle can appear to be sewing correctly, but once you start going at speed it almost inevitably creates one of those nasty tangles.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2016-06-24. Score: 6

Any time I've had that problem, the bobbin was inserted in the holder the wrong way. What seemed like the right way was the wrong way.


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### Answer by username_5 on 2016-06-24. Score: 5

Another thing you might check is for knotted threads jamming the bobbin area. This happened to me after having consistent birdnesting on my piece, after checking the tension and upon removing the bobbin to check it and noticing the gigantic mess.


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### Answer by username_6 on 2016-08-23. Score: 2

> I've checked that my feed dogs are up, that the tension is on, that my
> bobbin is in the correct way, and that the upper thread is correctly
> threaded. Is there any other issues I should investigate before
> getting my machine looked at?

So as to not be redundant, since you've checked most of the stuff that would go wrong first I suggest the following:

Needle point is important, be sure when sewing wovens you are using a needle with a sharp point (knits use ball point). The size of the needle is crucial.
The weight of the thread may be too thick for this woven fabric.

The bobbin tension with this thread could be part of the issue. Try a different thread in the bobbin and topstitch with the thicker thread. Sometimes that's a good workaround for thread thickness. Different machines have the option to adjust the tension on bobbin casings.

Clean the bobbin holder and the entire bobbin area - no lint whatsoever. Test the machine with this thread and needle using muslin. Is this happening with other woven fabrics and other thread? If so, the timing is probably off. A tune up would be a good way to go.


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### Answer by username_7 on 2016-09-09. Score: 0

It will take some trial & error, you need more top tension. Period.
I don't usually mess with bobbin tension. Only let a machine expert do that!

Each type of fabric may need different, I usually take a couple 2" strips of the fabric and sample run, until it is the way I want it!


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### Answer by username_7 on 2019-10-09. Score: 0

Read your manual... but my manual for my 1892 and 1926 Singer machines, each a different model. Say but one thing. **Too much thread tension.**

Bobbin tension is one thing that hardly ever need attention.

Both manuals showing graphics much like your photo.


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### Answer by username_8 on 2019-10-04. Score: -2

The best solution I have found, other than comments read here, is through a UTube video called '5 quilting tips I wish I knew', by National Quilting Circle. It's not about quilting, but it's about the machine, tension, thread, etc. I am not affiliated with this group, but the information changed things for me in a good way. I love my machines now. PS -use the cup for the cross wound thread and use the sewing machine bar, if you don't have one, buy one, it's worth it! You'll know what I mean after you watch the video. :-)

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: username_8 username_8, welcome! Please make sure that you always post answers where the actual information is *in the answer*, not somewhere else. The [tour] and [help], especially [answer], will get you started in the right direction. If you have more questions, the community is here.  
> **username_9**: username_8, just to add to username_1's comment, in addition to better explaining the "how-to" in your answer, it would be great if you could add a link to that video if it's publicly available online.  You seem pretty impressed with it, so it sounds like others could also benefit from watching it.  Thanks.  

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