<p>From a modern perspective, the type of pillow you chose (especially if both choices are roller pillows) is mostly based on your personal preference and working style. Traditionally different styles of pillows were used in different regions, but there isn't one best or worst type of pillow. There are also modern flat pillows with moving parts that act like a roller pillow by sliding the center part up.</p>
<p>The pillow <strong>must</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Be wide enough for your lace pattern.</li>
<li>Be stiff enough that any pin you put in stays where you put it.</li>
<li>In case of tape lace the lace pattern must be long enough to fit once around the pillow (it can be longer, but cannot be shorter).</li>
</ul>
<p>The pillow <strong>should</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Rest at a height that is comfortable for you to work in.</li>
<li>Be stable enough that it doesn't roll when you don't want it to.</li>
<li>Ideally be big enough (in width and circumference) that all bobbins can rest on it in an orderly way.</li>
</ul>
<p>The pillow in the first picture has the advantage that you can rest your arms on it while you work and that the bobbins lay vertically. If you work with a whole lot of bobbins, they can rest on the sides as well as the bottom. With the pillow style shown in your second picture the bobbins hang down vertically. When using that with a lot of bobbins, they bunch up and in the worst case they tangle.</p>
<p>Compare these two:</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/j4S5F.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/j4S5F.jpg" alt="enter image description here" /></a> <a href="http://blog.kirsten-koester.de/2006/11/01/mein-selbstgebautes-kloppelkissen/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">image source</a><br />
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/PdFiA.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/PdFiA.jpg" alt="enter image description here" /></a> <a href="https://www.annaberg-buchholz.de/de/meldungen/2021/05/annaberger-kloeppelwettbewerb-2021-wird-ausgelobt.php" rel="nofollow noreferrer">image source</a></p>
<p>But these are extreme cases. While working with only a few bobbins, there shouldn't be much of a difference.</p>
<p>I think modern flat sliding pillows are the most versatile for a beginner because you can do flat works like doilies or lace collars on them as well as lace tapes. And they are smaller than most alternatives to stow away or take with you on a trip.</p>
<p>Both styles of pillows in your pictures are traditional forms (in different regions) and have been used for centuries, so you can expect them to have worked well for centuries. The big rolls may also be easier to DIY (again: people have been doing this for centuries).</p>
<p>I'd say in most cases the width of the lace is the deciding factor when choosing one of the traditional pillow styles. For narrow lace tapes or small doilies both work fine. But for wider patterns (like a wide collar, stole or curtain) you need a wider roll. At a certain size it just gets more practical to work with one big roll instead of a smaller roll inserted into a wider pillow.</p>

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I appreciate the advice, but I was actually wondering (and asked) about which traditional forms each one went with, not what pillow is best for a modern user
kuwaly
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@kuwaly I'm afraid that makes the question much too broad. If you scroll down to the bottom of [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbin_lace), you'll see a huge selection of bobbin lace styles (that only includes the most prominent ones) and most links (or the names) tell you where the lace came from. Analyzing all (or at least most) of them could fill an entire book, which makes it too broad a topic to be covered here. And in my limited experience people would use the pillow they have for any style they could manage on it. So it depends more on the region than the technique.
Elmy
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@kuwaly And these pillows are not two entirely distinct things. One developed over time from the other, as you might see in this [picture from wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbin_lace#/media/File:Museu_Etnol%C3%B2gic_del_Castell_de_Guadalest,_boixets.JPG). People gradually improved and adapted their pillow styles over generations, but they didn't stop making one type of lace on a certain pillow. In general, narrow pillows were used in regions known for lace tapes and big pillows in regions known for wide lace fabrics, but the lace type is less of a deciding factor.
Elmy
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Elmy
<p>There are, from what I can find, two main kind of bobbin lace roller pillows (photos are illustrative, from various listings):</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/2aimf.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/2aimf.png" alt="bobbin lace roller pillow with small roller and domed pillow" /></a></p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/NoRNb.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/NoRNb.jpg" alt="bobbin lace roller pillow with large roller on stand" /></a></p>
<p>Are there specific styles of lace (tape lace vs straight lace or different regional styles such as Bucks Point vs Russian) that are used on each type of roller pillow?</p>
<p>I've seem videos with people doing straight lace on the first style and tape lace on the second style, but there are so few videos that I can't tell if that's reflective of how they should be used or just happenstance.</p>

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Are different bobbin roller pillows specific to different styles of bobbin lace?
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# Are different bobbin roller pillows specific to different styles of bobbin lace?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-08-22)

There are, from what I can find, two main kind of bobbin lace roller pillows (photos are illustrative, from various listings):

[![bobbin lace roller pillow with small roller and domed pillow](https://i.sstatic.net/2aimf.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/2aimf.png)

[![bobbin lace roller pillow with large roller on stand](https://i.sstatic.net/NoRNb.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/NoRNb.jpg)

Are there specific styles of lace (tape lace vs straight lace or different regional styles such as Bucks Point vs Russian) that are used on each type of roller pillow?

I've seem videos with people doing straight lace on the first style and tape lace on the second style, but there are so few videos that I can't tell if that's reflective of how they should be used or just happenstance.

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### Answer by username_1 on 2022-08-22. Score: 3

From a modern perspective, the type of pillow you chose (especially if both choices are roller pillows) is mostly based on your personal preference and working style. Traditionally different styles of pillows were used in different regions, but there isn't one best or worst type of pillow. There are also modern flat pillows with moving parts that act like a roller pillow by sliding the center part up.

The pillow **must**:

* Be wide enough for your lace pattern.
* Be stiff enough that any pin you put in stays where you put it.
* In case of tape lace the lace pattern must be long enough to fit once around the pillow (it can be longer, but cannot be shorter).

The pillow **should**:

* Rest at a height that is comfortable for you to work in.
* Be stable enough that it doesn't roll when you don't want it to.
* Ideally be big enough (in width and circumference) that all bobbins can rest on it in an orderly way.

The pillow in the first picture has the advantage that you can rest your arms on it while you work and that the bobbins lay vertically. If you work with a whole lot of bobbins, they can rest on the sides as well as the bottom. With the pillow style shown in your second picture the bobbins hang down vertically. When using that with a lot of bobbins, they bunch up and in the worst case they tangle.

Compare these two:

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/j4S5F.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/j4S5F.jpg) [image source](http://blog.kirsten-koester.de/2006/11/01/mein-selbstgebautes-kloppelkissen/)  
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/PdFiA.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/PdFiA.jpg) [image source](https://www.annaberg-buchholz.de/de/meldungen/2021/05/annaberger-kloeppelwettbewerb-2021-wird-ausgelobt.php)

But these are extreme cases. While working with only a few bobbins, there shouldn't be much of a difference.

I think modern flat sliding pillows are the most versatile for a beginner because you can do flat works like doilies or lace collars on them as well as lace tapes. And they are smaller than most alternatives to stow away or take with you on a trip.

Both styles of pillows in your pictures are traditional forms (in different regions) and have been used for centuries, so you can expect them to have worked well for centuries. The big rolls may also be easier to DIY (again: people have been doing this for centuries).

I'd say in most cases the width of the lace is the deciding factor when choosing one of the traditional pillow styles. For narrow lace tapes or small doilies both work fine. But for wider patterns (like a wide collar, stole or curtain) you need a wider roll. At a certain size it just gets more practical to work with one big roll instead of a smaller roll inserted into a wider pillow.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I appreciate the advice, but I was actually wondering (and asked) about which traditional forms each one went with, not what pillow is best for a modern user  
> **username_1**: @username_0 I'm afraid that makes the question much too broad. If you scroll down to the bottom of [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbin_lace), you'll see a huge selection of bobbin lace styles (that only includes the most prominent ones) and most links (or the names) tell you where the lace came from. Analyzing all (or at least most) of them could fill an entire book, which makes it too broad a topic to be covered here. And in my limited experience people would use the pillow they have for any style they could manage on it. So it depends more on the region than the technique.  
> **username_1**: @username_0 And these pillows are not two entirely distinct things. One developed over time from the other, as you might see in this [picture from wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbin_lace#/media/File:Museu_Etnol%C3%B2gic_del_Castell_de_Guadalest,_boixets.JPG). People gradually improved and adapted their pillow styles over generations, but they didn't stop making one type of lace on a certain pillow. In general, narrow pillows were used in regions known for lace tapes and big pillows in regions known for wide lace fabrics, but the lace type is less of a deciding factor.  

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