<p>Neither of these are abstract, but the second one is definitely moreso than the first.</p>

<p>The first has clearly defined objects and flow; it simply looks like a stylized art piece.  The second one, though it has clearly defined objects, lacks flow and is more open to interpretation.  It has some abstract elements, but overall, it is not.</p>

<p>Keep in mind that the term "abstract" is used to define art that does not resemble any other visual references in the world.  It is a bunch of baloney that leaves the viewer to be the one to interpret it.</p>

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<p>In the first one I can clearly distinguish what resembles a sea, boats with people in them rowing, and the planet Saturn. In the second one I can distinguish what resembles a shutter, a disc and other gadgets, plants, drops, etc. Assuming that abstract art does not refer to the visual world, it doesn’t seem that either could be classified as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_art" rel="nofollow noreferrer">abstract</a>.</p>

<p>They clearly are different poster styles, though. I'm not an art historian but the second one seems to me more like a first-half or middle 20th century style poster, whereas the first one seems more like a 21st century style poster or a digital painting.</p>

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<p>&quot;<em>Abstract in an artistic meaning</em>&quot; is still pretty vague, as some of the answers here demonstrate through their divergence. There are two major interpretations of the term 'abstract':</p>
<ul>
<li>One is a sequence of art movements and their derivative styles - from post-impressionism to cubism - that is known as <strong>abstract art</strong>, synonymous to and/or an increasingly prominent characteristic of modern art.<br />
In this sense, abstraction is image-making devoid of any direct or obvious analogy to the (visually) perceivable world.</li>
<li>The second is <strong>the process of abstraction</strong> (which is not unique to the visual arts), where abstraction is a representational simplification of what can be perceived (with any of our senses, really). This simplification can be due to technical or artistic reasons. Every work of art is abstracted to some degree, as pure representation is impossible.<sup>*</sup></li>
</ul>
<p>Obviously, the term 'abstraction' can refer to both meanings, and the term for the disposition prevalent in the arts in the first half of the 20th century is directly derived from the meaning of the word in that second, broader sense.</p>
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<p>As for your questions:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Would it make sense to state that one of these picture is more abstract, in an artistic meaning, than the other one, and, if so, which one could be deemed more abstract?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Per my delineation I'd say both are abstracted, but, unlike the first, the second one can be regarded as an abstract image, and here is why:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>Nº 1, 'Titan', is a stylized version of what can be viewed as a probable scene: on Titan, one of Saturn's moons, floating on a sea of &quot;ammonia-rich liquid water&quot;<sup>1</sup>, against a rising or setting Saturn, we see several boats with occupants on the horizon.<br />
All components are plausibly connected, on scale, with a uniform and physically plausible colouring scheme, and in uniform lighting. In that sense, this image is realistic. The only abstraction here is the stylization, in this case a diminishing of details (to improve the atmosphere and overall impression).</p>
</li>
<li><p>Nº 2, 'Mars', lacks all of these properties. It is a composition of elements related through association, not through a potential 'mise-en-scene', like poster nº 1. Furthermore, the distinct elements are themselves abstracted to such a level that they become icons - symbols that signify not a specific object, but the concept of a generic object (e.g. <em>the</em> spacecraft consist of but two polygons, <em>the</em> astronaut's profile's a single line).</p>
</li>
</ul>
<blockquote>
<p>What would be the best categories to use to distinguish these two styles?</p>
</blockquote>
<ul>
<li><p>Nº 1 is narrative in character, it's dramatic, romantic, and epic. I'd say the closest you can get to naming the style of this design, is by pointing out the emphasis it places on capturing a cinematic atmosphere; I think it is intended to imitate a <strong>film poster</strong>. The big title and the catchphrase at the bottom corroborate this.<br />
The artistic style is even harder to place - its abstraction (e.g. the painterly flow of the reflections in the water) seems independent of what it tries to communicate. It's <strong>realistic illustration</strong>, but difficult to narrow down more.</p>
</li>
<li><p>Nº 2 is as flat as possible, the only depth cue is the overlap in the elements which are configured purely for compositional purposes. I think this poster's style can be considered '<strong>flat design</strong>' (see <a href="https://crafts.stackexchange.com/questions/8262/whats-the-name-of-this-cartoon-style">here</a> for a related Q&amp;A).<br />
According to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_design" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Wikipedia</a>, flat design</p>
<blockquote>
<p>&quot;<em>is a style of interface design emphasizing minimalist use of simple elements, typography and flat colors.</em><br />
[..] <em>It is easier to quickly convey information while still looking visually appealing and approachable.</em>&quot;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Where poster Nº 1 is a movie poster, this seems to be more of <strong>an ad or an informational poster</strong>. It invites the observer to &quot;<em>visit the historic sites</em>&quot; on Mars. Of course, in that sense it is also narrative, suggesting Mars has been colonized for a significant amount of time, so it can even be regarded as a 'fictional prop'.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><sup>* The only <em>possible</em> exception I can think of now is photography, but that's for another time and place.<br />
1 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)</a>
</sup></p>

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Joachim
<ol>
<li><p>I would suggest that the second example is more abstracted since it is less naturalistic in appearance than the first,</p></li>
<li><p>but that, strictly speaking, neither constitutes the <a href="https://www.artspace.com/magazine/art_101/know-your-critics/what_did_clement_greenberg_do-52430" rel="nofollow noreferrer">“formally pure”</a> definition of abstract art (also known as Non-Objective) in the rubric of Clement Greenberg, the art critic whose writing on the subject was taken as gospel in the heyday of Abstract Expressionism. To summarize, anytime paint on canvas pretends to be anything other than paint on canvas it becomes representational, as opposed to abstract, art. </p></li>
<li><p>Now this would be a subjective take, but it seems clear to me that the second example is alluding to Russian <a href="http://www.theartstory.org/movement-constructivism.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Constructivism,</a> a graphical style, embraced in the propaganda of the early Bolsheviks, which proceeded from the precepts of <a href="http://www.theartstory.org/movement-suprematism.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Suprematism,</a> Kazimir Malevich’s school of idealized, geometric abstraction. In contrast, the first example strikes me as not so clearly defined, but the loose brushstrokes certainly suggest an affinity with the <em>plein air</em> (‘open air’) painting of the <a href="http://www.theartstory.org/movement-post-impressionism.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Post-Impressionists</a>—which is an umbrella term to encompass multiple styles in the wake of Impressionism.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>In short, the key distinction, in the given examples, is that both constitute abstracted representations of life, as opposed to formally abstract art.</p>

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<p>Neither are abstract, #1 is Impressionist and #2 is Cubist.</p>

<p>Impressionism a la Monet
Cubism a la Picasso</p>

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Not The Face
<p>Let's consider the two following illustrations from the <a href="https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galleries/visions-of-the-future" rel="nofollow noreferrer">NASA posters collection</a>:</p>
<div class="s-table-container">
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<th>N°1</th>
<th>N°2</th>
</tr>
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<td><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/u5686.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/u5686m.jpg" alt="Illustration n°1" /></a></td>
<td><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/9HAQW.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/hQ9Vpm.jpg" alt="Illustration n°2" /></a></td>
</tr>
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<td><sup>Click images for larger version</sup></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</div>
<p>My questions are:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Would it make sense to state that one of these picture is more abstract, in an artistic meaning, than the other one?</p>
</li>
<li><p>If so, which one would be deemed more abstract?</p>
</li>
<li><p>(Optional) If none of the above makes sense, what would be the best categories to use to distinguish these two styles?</p>
</li>
</ol>

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Welcome! Is this a questions that can be answered objectively? (Take our [tour] to understand why we don't do discussion or opinion-based questions.)
Erica
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@Erica (and others) I think it can be answered objectively: abstraction is a gradation, and there is a clear difference between the two images in regards to their abstraction. It is perhaps not a very informative question, that's why I tried to give a somewhat more extensive answer that reaches beyond its scope.
Joachim
<terminology><technique-identification>
Which of these pictures is more abstract?
Goujon
# Which of these pictures is more abstract?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-03-11)

Let's consider the two following illustrations from the [NASA posters collection](https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galleries/visions-of-the-future):

| N°1 | N°2 |
| --- | --- |
| [Illustration n°1](https://i.sstatic.net/u5686.jpg) | [Illustration n°2](https://i.sstatic.net/9HAQW.jpg) |
| Click images for larger version |  |

My questions are:

1. Would it make sense to state that one of these picture is more abstract, in an artistic meaning, than the other one?
2. If so, which one would be deemed more abstract?
3. (Optional) If none of the above makes sense, what would be the best categories to use to distinguish these two styles?

**Tags:** terminology, technique-identification

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Welcome! Is this a questions that can be answered objectively? (Take our [tour] to understand why we don't do discussion or opinion-based questions.)  
> **username_2**: @username_1 (and others) I think it can be answered objectively: abstraction is a gradation, and there is a clear difference between the two images in regards to their abstraction. It is perhaps not a very informative question, that's why I tried to give a somewhat more extensive answer that reaches beyond its scope.  

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## 5 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2018-03-12. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Neither of these are abstract, but the second one is definitely moreso than the first.

The first has clearly defined objects and flow; it simply looks like a stylized art piece. The second one, though it has clearly defined objects, lacks flow and is more open to interpretation. It has some abstract elements, but overall, it is not.

Keep in mind that the term "abstract" is used to define art that does not resemble any other visual references in the world. It is a bunch of baloney that leaves the viewer to be the one to interpret it.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2018-03-12. Score: 1

In the first one I can clearly distinguish what resembles a sea, boats with people in them rowing, and the planet Saturn. In the second one I can distinguish what resembles a shutter, a disc and other gadgets, plants, drops, etc. Assuming that abstract art does not refer to the visual world, it doesn’t seem that either could be classified as [abstract](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_art).

They clearly are different poster styles, though. I'm not an art historian but the second one seems to me more like a first-half or middle 20th century style poster, whereas the first one seems more like a 21st century style poster or a digital painting.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2021-05-02. Score: 1

"*Abstract in an artistic meaning*" is still pretty vague, as some of the answers here demonstrate through their divergence. There are two major interpretations of the term 'abstract':

* One is a sequence of art movements and their derivative styles - from post-impressionism to cubism - that is known as **abstract art**, synonymous to and/or an increasingly prominent characteristic of modern art.  
  In this sense, abstraction is image-making devoid of any direct or obvious analogy to the (visually) perceivable world.
* The second is **the process of abstraction** (which is not unique to the visual arts), where abstraction is a representational simplification of what can be perceived (with any of our senses, really). This simplification can be due to technical or artistic reasons. Every work of art is abstracted to some degree, as pure representation is impossible.\*

Obviously, the term 'abstraction' can refer to both meanings, and the term for the disposition prevalent in the arts in the first half of the 20th century is directly derived from the meaning of the word in that second, broader sense.

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As for your questions:

> Would it make sense to state that one of these picture is more abstract, in an artistic meaning, than the other one, and, if so, which one could be deemed more abstract?

Per my delineation I'd say both are abstracted, but, unlike the first, the second one can be regarded as an abstract image, and here is why:

* Nº 1, 'Titan', is a stylized version of what can be viewed as a probable scene: on Titan, one of Saturn's moons, floating on a sea of "ammonia-rich liquid water"1, against a rising or setting Saturn, we see several boats with occupants on the horizon.  
  All components are plausibly connected, on scale, with a uniform and physically plausible colouring scheme, and in uniform lighting. In that sense, this image is realistic. The only abstraction here is the stylization, in this case a diminishing of details (to improve the atmosphere and overall impression).
* Nº 2, 'Mars', lacks all of these properties. It is a composition of elements related through association, not through a potential 'mise-en-scene', like poster nº 1. Furthermore, the distinct elements are themselves abstracted to such a level that they become icons - symbols that signify not a specific object, but the concept of a generic object (e.g. *the* spacecraft consist of but two polygons, *the* astronaut's profile's a single line).

> What would be the best categories to use to distinguish these two styles?

* Nº 1 is narrative in character, it's dramatic, romantic, and epic. I'd say the closest you can get to naming the style of this design, is by pointing out the emphasis it places on capturing a cinematic atmosphere; I think it is intended to imitate a **film poster**. The big title and the catchphrase at the bottom corroborate this.  
  The artistic style is even harder to place - its abstraction (e.g. the painterly flow of the reflections in the water) seems independent of what it tries to communicate. It's **realistic illustration**, but difficult to narrow down more.
* Nº 2 is as flat as possible, the only depth cue is the overlap in the elements which are configured purely for compositional purposes. I think this poster's style can be considered '**flat design**' (see [here](https://crafts.stackexchange.com/questions/8262/whats-the-name-of-this-cartoon-style) for a related Q&A).  
  According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_design), flat design

  > "*is a style of interface design emphasizing minimalist use of simple elements, typography and flat colors.*  
  > [..] *It is easier to quickly convey information while still looking visually appealing and approachable.*"

  Where poster Nº 1 is a movie poster, this seems to be more of **an ad or an informational poster**. It invites the observer to "*visit the historic sites*" on Mars. Of course, in that sense it is also narrative, suggesting Mars has been colonized for a significant amount of time, so it can even be regarded as a 'fictional prop'.

\* The only *possible* exception I can think of now is photography, but that's for another time and place.  
1 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)>


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### Answer by username_5 on 2018-03-13. Score: 1

1. I would suggest that the second example is more abstracted since it is less naturalistic in appearance than the first,
2. but that, strictly speaking, neither constitutes the [“formally pure”](https://www.artspace.com/magazine/art_101/know-your-critics/what_did_clement_greenberg_do-52430) definition of abstract art (also known as Non-Objective) in the rubric of Clement Greenberg, the art critic whose writing on the subject was taken as gospel in the heyday of Abstract Expressionism. To summarize, anytime paint on canvas pretends to be anything other than paint on canvas it becomes representational, as opposed to abstract, art.
3. Now this would be a subjective take, but it seems clear to me that the second example is alluding to Russian [Constructivism,](http://www.theartstory.org/movement-constructivism.htm) a graphical style, embraced in the propaganda of the early Bolsheviks, which proceeded from the precepts of [Suprematism,](http://www.theartstory.org/movement-suprematism.htm) Kazimir Malevich’s school of idealized, geometric abstraction. In contrast, the first example strikes me as not so clearly defined, but the loose brushstrokes certainly suggest an affinity with the *plein air* (‘open air’) painting of the [Post-Impressionists](http://www.theartstory.org/movement-post-impressionism.htm)—which is an umbrella term to encompass multiple styles in the wake of Impressionism.

In short, the key distinction, in the given examples, is that both constitute abstracted representations of life, as opposed to formally abstract art.

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### Answer by username_6 on 2018-03-12. Score: 1

Neither are abstract, #1 is Impressionist and #2 is Cubist.

Impressionism a la Monet
Cubism a la Picasso


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