<p>In the journal Nature, "<a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-03036-4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Geoengineer polar glaciers to slow sea-level rise</a>"  professor of climate change John C. Moore and three colleagues (a geoscientist, an applications scientist, and a glaciologist) propose exploring three more feasible methods, arguing:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Without coastal protection, the global cost of damages could reach
  US$50 trillion a year. Sea walls and flood defences cost tens of
  billions of dollars a year to construct and maintain.</p>
  
  <p>At this price, geoengineering is competitive.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>The proposals are:</p>

<ol>
<li>Block warm water: Build 100-meter high berms to protect the outlets of key glaciers </li>
<li>Support ice shelves: Similar to No. 1, but buttressing key Antarctic ice shelves at the sea end to keep them from collapsing.</li>
<li>Dry subglacial streams: Divert the water currently trickling through and then lubricating the bottoms of glaciers, reducing melting and helping lock them into place.</li>
</ol>

<p>Any project would require a massive industrial infrastructure in an inhospitable environment supported by billions of dollars in planning, development, and operation.</p>

<p>Moving ice mass inland by pumping, as you propose, would also require a method to melt ice in a sub-zero environment, capture and store the meltwater, and then transport the meltwater tens or hundreds of miles uphill across a frozen landscape.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/KIUh9.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/KIUh9.png" alt="cross-section of Antarctica"></a>
(Cross-section from <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259089264_Exploration_of_Antarctic_Subglacial_Aquatic_Environments_Environmental_and_Scientific_Stewardship" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Exploration of Antarctic Subglacial Aquatic Environments: Environmental and Scientific Stewardship</a>)</p>

<p>As for pumping seawater into low-lying land areas to counter sea-level rise, <a href="https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/10830/hypothetically-would-digging-a-big-trench-from-the-ocean-and-flooding-desert-ar/10832#10832">that's also infeasible</a>: It would require a constant pumped flow equivalent to some of the world's largest rivers, and even then some of that effort would be undone by evaporation.</p>

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jeffronicus
<p>The problem is that "inland" is <em>uphill</em> from the sea. If you can cause gravity to make water flow uphill, you can solve many more problems than just sea-level rise.</p>

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<p>I don't think what you suggest could be done economically. A much better way of reducing sea level would be to siphon the ocean into the numerous low lying areas of the world which are below mean sea level, for example, the Aral sea in Uzbekistan, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Eyre" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Lake Eyre</a> (<em>Kati Thanda, indigenous name</em>)  in Australia, the Fayum Depression in Egypt, and there ore many others.</p>

<p>The place to start would be the Aral sea, which has virtually dried out, creating all sorts of economic problems for the people in the area. Water could be siphoned from the Black Sea into the Caspian Sea, which is also well below mean sea level. From there it could be siphoned into the Aral which is even further below mean sea level.</p>

<p>This would restore the waterborne transport system of the Aral, restore the fisheries, put an end to the windblown salt which is contaminating agricultural land in the area, and probably alter the climate for the better, as well as making a start on reducing mean sea level. You wouldn't even need pumps, because the siphon principle that water always finds its own level is enough to move the water. When we have refilled the Aral, we could start on some other low lying land area, perhaps Lake Eyre.</p>

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Michael Walsby
<p>I just read this article by scientist who propose making giant snow machines to basically move the eroding ice shelf further inland. It’s been described as pretty much cost prohibitive (despite saving the coasts from rising water levels??) and would be on the same level of effort as putting a base on the moon.</p>

<p>Here’s the link: <a href="https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaaw4132" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaaw4132</a></p>

<p>So instead of doing that, why not drill a large hole straight down into one end of a section of the ice shelf (closest to land but still a thick part of ice) and insert a large tap and then use large fresnel lens to melt a slope in the ice and funnel the melted ice into the hole and out the spout to be diverted further inland which would eventually refreeze later?</p>

<p>You would just have to melt the section of the ice shelf at a graded slope so that gravity does all the work. If you look at how water towers work and then consider the thickness of the ice shelf, you could calculate amount of water pressure and will see that it would suffice to move large quantities of water at a very fast pace.</p>

<p>Just a thot</p>

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A better way to prevent ice shelf from melting and raising ocean levels?
Stevan White
# A better way to prevent ice shelf from melting and raising ocean levels?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-07-22)

I just read this article by scientist who propose making giant snow machines to basically move the eroding ice shelf further inland. It’s been described as pretty much cost prohibitive (despite saving the coasts from rising water levels??) and would be on the same level of effort as putting a base on the moon.

Here’s the link: <https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaaw4132>

So instead of doing that, why not drill a large hole straight down into one end of a section of the ice shelf (closest to land but still a thick part of ice) and insert a large tap and then use large fresnel lens to melt a slope in the ice and funnel the melted ice into the hole and out the spout to be diverted further inland which would eventually refreeze later?

You would just have to melt the section of the ice shelf at a graded slope so that gravity does all the work. If you look at how water towers work and then consider the thickness of the ice shelf, you could calculate amount of water pressure and will see that it would suffice to move large quantities of water at a very fast pace.

Just a thot

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2019-08-22. Score: 1

In the journal Nature, "[Geoengineer polar glaciers to slow sea-level rise](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-03036-4)" professor of climate change John C. Moore and three colleagues (a geoscientist, an applications scientist, and a glaciologist) propose exploring three more feasible methods, arguing:

> Without coastal protection, the global cost of damages could reach
> US$50 trillion a year. Sea walls and flood defences cost tens of
> billions of dollars a year to construct and maintain.
>
> At this price, geoengineering is competitive.

The proposals are:

1. Block warm water: Build 100-meter high berms to protect the outlets of key glaciers
2. Support ice shelves: Similar to No. 1, but buttressing key Antarctic ice shelves at the sea end to keep them from collapsing.
3. Dry subglacial streams: Divert the water currently trickling through and then lubricating the bottoms of glaciers, reducing melting and helping lock them into place.

Any project would require a massive industrial infrastructure in an inhospitable environment supported by billions of dollars in planning, development, and operation.

Moving ice mass inland by pumping, as you propose, would also require a method to melt ice in a sub-zero environment, capture and store the meltwater, and then transport the meltwater tens or hundreds of miles uphill across a frozen landscape.

[![cross-section of Antarctica](https://i.sstatic.net/KIUh9.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/KIUh9.png)
(Cross-section from [Exploration of Antarctic Subglacial Aquatic Environments: Environmental and Scientific Stewardship](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259089264_Exploration_of_Antarctic_Subglacial_Aquatic_Environments_Environmental_and_Scientific_Stewardship))

As for pumping seawater into low-lying land areas to counter sea-level rise, [that's also infeasible](https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/10830/hypothetically-would-digging-a-big-trench-from-the-ocean-and-flooding-desert-ar/10832#10832): It would require a constant pumped flow equivalent to some of the world's largest rivers, and even then some of that effort would be undone by evaporation.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2019-07-22. Score: 1

The problem is that "inland" is *uphill* from the sea. If you can cause gravity to make water flow uphill, you can solve many more problems than just sea-level rise.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2019-07-22. Score: 0

I don't think what you suggest could be done economically. A much better way of reducing sea level would be to siphon the ocean into the numerous low lying areas of the world which are below mean sea level, for example, the Aral sea in Uzbekistan, [Lake Eyre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Eyre) (*Kati Thanda, indigenous name*) in Australia, the Fayum Depression in Egypt, and there ore many others.

The place to start would be the Aral sea, which has virtually dried out, creating all sorts of economic problems for the people in the area. Water could be siphoned from the Black Sea into the Caspian Sea, which is also well below mean sea level. From there it could be siphoned into the Aral which is even further below mean sea level.

This would restore the waterborne transport system of the Aral, restore the fisheries, put an end to the windblown salt which is contaminating agricultural land in the area, and probably alter the climate for the better, as well as making a start on reducing mean sea level. You wouldn't even need pumps, because the siphon principle that water always finds its own level is enough to move the water. When we have refilled the Aral, we could start on some other low lying land area, perhaps Lake Eyre.


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