<p>The word collapse is not appropriate in the case of a <em>hanging glacier</em> such as the one you mention in your question. A hanging glacier is a glacier that terminates at a cliff edge. Since glacier ice is constantly moving towards the cliff, the terminus will occasionally lose sufficient support and detach from the glacier causing an <em>ice avalanche</em>. As long as the glacier feeds ice to the cliff edge ice avalanches will continue to occur. How often will largely depend on the ice velocity moving ice towards the cliff edge. This is thus a natural behaviour and not a collapse, or at least not named collapse in glaciology.</p>
<p>The word collapse is not a scientific term and does not have a unique definition in glaciology. In the case of an ice shelf that suddenly breaks apart such as the Larsen B (Rott et al. 1996) the term collapse has been used in articles. In this case the event was sudden and the entire ice shelf broke up and was lost during a few months. At the same time collapse is commonly used to describe other phenomena such as the loss of an ice sheet or part of an ice sheet (for example, Brendryen et al., 2020). Such a process is much slower than the ice shelf collapse, perhaps lasting many hundreds or thousands of years. But the word is used because it describes an irreversible event or development.</p>
<p>So coming back to the hanging glacier, its avalanches is an ongoing process and the word collapse gives the wrong impression. The glacier is not collapsing. Given climate warming the glacier will likely decrease in size and the avalanching change, possibly stop depending on the bedrock morphology on which the glacier sits. If the climate warming causes the glacier to completely melt away, then that could be considered a collapse of that glacier. But when you read different scientific articles on glaciers you will see the word used in many different ways so a tricky word to use in a good and consistent way.</p>
<p>References</p>
<p>Helmut Rott, Pedro Skvarca, Thomas Nagler, 1996 <a href="https://doi.org/10.1126/science.271.5250.788" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Rapid Collapse of Northern Larsen Ice Shelf, Antarctica</a>. Science, 271 (5250) 788-792</p>
<p>Brendryen, J., Haflidason, H., Yokoyama, Y. et al. 2020 <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41561-020-0567-4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Eurasian Ice Sheet collapse was a major source of Meltwater Pulse 1A 14,600 years ago</a>. Nat. Geosci. 13, 363–368.</p>

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<p>If an ice shelf collapses, the backpressure disappears. The glaciers that fed into the ice shelf speed up, flowing more quickly out to sea. Glaciers and ice sheets rest on land, so once they flow into the ocean, they contribute to sea-level rise.</p>
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<p>(source: <a href="https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/iceshelves.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">NSIDC</a>)</p>

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<p>Glacier collapse means that the temperature of the Earth is gradually increasing due to global warming, due to which the glaciers are also melting slowly, in the last 100 years, the temperature of the Earth has increased by about 1 °.  By the end of this century, the temperature will increase by 5 °.  And only about 20% of the polar ice will survive.</p>

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"And only about 20% of the polar ice will survive my profile" ???  *So it's your profile* that's causing global warming?
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<p>It means that large parts might break off and cause an ice avalanche or series of avalanches which would go crashing down the valley, killing or destroying anything which got in its way.</p>

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<p>CNN's <a href="https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/mont-blanc-glacier-collapse-intl-scli/index.html" rel="noreferrer">Mont Blanc glacier could <strong>collapse</strong> at any moment, Italy warns</a> says:</p>
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<p>A staggering 250,000 cubic meters (8.8 million cubic feet) of ice could break away from the Planpincieux glacier on the Grandes Jorasses mountain in the Mont Blanc massif, experts at the Valle d'Aosta regional government and the Fondazione Montagna Sicura (Safe Mountain Foundation) <a href="http://www.comune.courmayeur.ao.it/comune/news_scheda.php?acc=&amp;nId=1263" rel="noreferrer">reported</a> in an analysis published this week.</p>
<p>While it's impossible to predict the exact timing of the <strong>collapse</strong>, observations in August and September showed that the glacier was shifting at a speed of 50 to 60 centimeters (20 to 24 inches) a day, experts said.</p>
<p>&quot;These phenomena once again show that the mountain is going through a phase of strong change due to climatic factors, therefore it is particularly vulnerable,&quot; Stefano Miserocchi, mayor of nearby Courmayeur, <a href="http://www.comune.courmayeur.ao.it/comune/news_scheda.php?acc=&amp;nId=1263" rel="noreferrer">said in a statement</a>. &quot;In this case, it's a temperate glacier particularly sensitive to high temperatures.&quot;As a precautionary measure, Miserocchi ordered the closure of roads in the Val Ferret valley and the evacuation of mountain huts in the Rochefort area.</p>
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<p>The caption of the image in the link (shown below) is labeled Figure 22, so presumably it's from some much larger report.</p>
<p>I'm curious about the choice of the word &quot;collapse&quot;. What is it exactly that the glacier might do? Will it collapse in the same way that a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souffl%C3%A9#In_popular_culture" rel="noreferrer">Soufflé collapses</a>, or is this more like an avalanche, or does the whole glacier just start sliding much faster, like several meters per day instead of several tens of centimeters currently?</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Qukpq.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Qukpq.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>

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It says right there in the legend of the picture you linked ;-)
Erik
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@Erik I'm not sure that's an authoritative and exhaustive explanation. However if you are, then you're welcome to post that caption as the answer and we'll see what others think.
uhoh
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IMHO it's simply the ambiguity of the italian word *crolli*, the misuse of the word *collosare* (en: collapse) in other news reports and the following mistranslation(s). Only the word *crolli* (from *crollare*) is used in the official statement which may mean collapse **or** fall.
klanomath
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@klanomath that sounds like a good, albeit anticlimactic explanation, thanks!
uhoh
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BTW: the safety plan is presumably an extension of a similar plan for the nearby Whymper hanging glacier made by the Suisse based "WSL-Institut für Schnee- und Lawinenforschung SLF": [PDF-link](http://arc.lib.montana.edu/snow-science/objects/ISSW_O-055.pdf). I haven't been able to find the newer doc containing above *Fig. 22* though.
klanomath
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What does "glacier collapse" mean?
uhoh
# What does "glacier collapse" mean?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-09-26)

CNN's [Mont Blanc glacier could **collapse** at any moment, Italy warns](https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/mont-blanc-glacier-collapse-intl-scli/index.html) says:

> A staggering 250,000 cubic meters (8.8 million cubic feet) of ice could break away from the Planpincieux glacier on the Grandes Jorasses mountain in the Mont Blanc massif, experts at the Valle d'Aosta regional government and the Fondazione Montagna Sicura (Safe Mountain Foundation) [reported](http://www.comune.courmayeur.ao.it/comune/news_scheda.php?acc=&nId=1263) in an analysis published this week.
>
> While it's impossible to predict the exact timing of the **collapse**, observations in August and September showed that the glacier was shifting at a speed of 50 to 60 centimeters (20 to 24 inches) a day, experts said.
>
> "These phenomena once again show that the mountain is going through a phase of strong change due to climatic factors, therefore it is particularly vulnerable," Stefano Miserocchi, mayor of nearby Courmayeur, [said in a statement](http://www.comune.courmayeur.ao.it/comune/news_scheda.php?acc=&nId=1263). "In this case, it's a temperate glacier particularly sensitive to high temperatures."As a precautionary measure, Miserocchi ordered the closure of roads in the Val Ferret valley and the evacuation of mountain huts in the Rochefort area.

The caption of the image in the link (shown below) is labeled Figure 22, so presumably it's from some much larger report.

I'm curious about the choice of the word "collapse". What is it exactly that the glacier might do? Will it collapse in the same way that a [Soufflé collapses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souffl%C3%A9#In_popular_culture), or is this more like an avalanche, or does the whole glacier just start sliding much faster, like several meters per day instead of several tens of centimeters currently?

[![](https://i.sstatic.net/Qukpq.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/Qukpq.jpg)

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: It says right there in the legend of the picture you linked ;-)  
> **username_0**: @username_1 I'm not sure that's an authoritative and exhaustive explanation. However if you are, then you're welcome to post that caption as the answer and we'll see what others think.  
> **username_2**: IMHO it's simply the ambiguity of the italian word *crolli*, the misuse of the word *collosare* (en: collapse) in other news reports and the following mistranslation(s). Only the word *crolli* (from *crollare*) is used in the official statement which may mean collapse **or** fall.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 that sounds like a good, albeit anticlimactic explanation, thanks!  
> **username_2**: BTW: the safety plan is presumably an extension of a similar plan for the nearby Whymper hanging glacier made by the Suisse based "WSL-Institut für Schnee- und Lawinenforschung SLF": [PDF-link](http://arc.lib.montana.edu/snow-science/objects/ISSW_O-055.pdf). I haven't been able to find the newer doc containing above *Fig. 22* though.  

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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2021-03-22. Score: 4

The word collapse is not appropriate in the case of a *hanging glacier* such as the one you mention in your question. A hanging glacier is a glacier that terminates at a cliff edge. Since glacier ice is constantly moving towards the cliff, the terminus will occasionally lose sufficient support and detach from the glacier causing an *ice avalanche*. As long as the glacier feeds ice to the cliff edge ice avalanches will continue to occur. How often will largely depend on the ice velocity moving ice towards the cliff edge. This is thus a natural behaviour and not a collapse, or at least not named collapse in glaciology.

The word collapse is not a scientific term and does not have a unique definition in glaciology. In the case of an ice shelf that suddenly breaks apart such as the Larsen B (Rott et al. 1996) the term collapse has been used in articles. In this case the event was sudden and the entire ice shelf broke up and was lost during a few months. At the same time collapse is commonly used to describe other phenomena such as the loss of an ice sheet or part of an ice sheet (for example, Brendryen et al., 2020). Such a process is much slower than the ice shelf collapse, perhaps lasting many hundreds or thousands of years. But the word is used because it describes an irreversible event or development.

So coming back to the hanging glacier, its avalanches is an ongoing process and the word collapse gives the wrong impression. The glacier is not collapsing. Given climate warming the glacier will likely decrease in size and the avalanching change, possibly stop depending on the bedrock morphology on which the glacier sits. If the climate warming causes the glacier to completely melt away, then that could be considered a collapse of that glacier. But when you read different scientific articles on glaciers you will see the word used in many different ways so a tricky word to use in a good and consistent way.

References

Helmut Rott, Pedro Skvarca, Thomas Nagler, 1996 [Rapid Collapse of Northern Larsen Ice Shelf, Antarctica](https://doi.org/10.1126/science.271.5250.788). Science, 271 (5250) 788-792

Brendryen, J., Haflidason, H., Yokoyama, Y. et al. 2020 [Eurasian Ice Sheet collapse was a major source of Meltwater Pulse 1A 14,600 years ago](https://doi.org/10.1038/s41561-020-0567-4). Nat. Geosci. 13, 363–368.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2021-03-18. Score: 2

> If an ice shelf collapses, the backpressure disappears. The glaciers that fed into the ice shelf speed up, flowing more quickly out to sea. Glaciers and ice sheets rest on land, so once they flow into the ocean, they contribute to sea-level rise.

(source: [NSIDC](https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/iceshelves.html))


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### Answer by username_5 on 2021-03-24. Score: -2

Glacier collapse means that the temperature of the Earth is gradually increasing due to global warming, due to which the glaciers are also melting slowly, in the last 100 years, the temperature of the Earth has increased by about 1 °. By the end of this century, the temperature will increase by 5 °. And only about 20% of the polar ice will survive.

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> **username_6**: Linking to your profile for no apparent reason should be avoided; see our [promotion policy.](/help/promotion)  
> **username_0**: "And only about 20% of the polar ice will survive my profile" ???  *So it's your profile* that's causing global warming?  

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### Answer by username_7 on 2019-09-26. Score: -3

It means that large parts might break off and cause an ice avalanche or series of avalanches which would go crashing down the valley, killing or destroying anything which got in its way.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: `-1` for unsupported/unsourced guess. I'm happy to reverse it if you can cite some supporting references or links, thanks!  

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