<p>There are many issues I have with your suggestion. How would you distinguish the radiation that your source would emit from other sources of radiation? Also how would you detect the radiation? Where would you place the radiation detector? A detector placed on the surface of the Earth would not detect any radiation from the Mantle because the Crust would absorb the radiation, due to its thickness.</p>

<p>Any device that would be placed in a pool of magma would most likely be melted by the heat of the magma. If the shell of the device managed to survive, the electronics and sensors would be damaged to the point of being inoperable.</p>

<p>If a device were to survive the heat how would the device send signals to the surface of the Earth? Extreme ultra low frequency radio might work, but the source signal would need to be very strong and I don't envisage that being possible for a device dropped into a volcano.</p>

<p>Getting a device to sink into magma would require the device to have a density higher than that of the magma.</p>

<p>Drilling very deep holes to conduct a seismological survey of mantle magma is not possible given that the deepest hole ever drilled was the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole" rel="nofollow">Kola Superdeep Borehole</a>, drilled by the Soviet Union during the 1970s and 1980s. Its final depth was 12 262 metres - one-third of the way through the Baltic continental crust. Drilling was terminated short of the 15 000 metre target due to the rock temperature being 180 degrees Celsius.</p>

<p>Using <a href="http://htthttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1474706506000465p://" rel="nofollow">electric potential variations</a> within magma to study magma within the mantle would not be possible because the technique requires an antenna to be place in a drilled hole.</p>

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2015-08-29T09:51:36.620Z
Another problem is that no one guarantees that there is a direct tube that goes directly down from the lava lake to the mantle.
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Fred
<p>Currently the most direct way of measuring mantle properties is using geophysics. For instance, magnetotellurics (MT) can be used to measure resitivity in the upper mantle at mid-ocean ridges:</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/QSKNE.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/QSKNE.jpg" alt=""></a></p>

<p>source: <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v495/n7442/fig_tab/nature11932_F2.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v495/n7442/fig_tab/nature11932_F2.html</a></p>

<p>or near volcanoes:</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/wTuz1.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/wTuz1.png" alt=""></a></p>

<p>source: <a href="http://plutons.science.oregonstate.edu/research/magnetotellurics" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://plutons.science.oregonstate.edu/research/magnetotellurics</a></p>

<p>If you left the MT tools in the ground for a long time, you could record time-lapse resitivity measurements if you regularly grabbed the data. The change in the shape of the resitivity over time could potentially correlate to mantle flow. <a href="http://geophysics.geoscienceworld.org/content/78/3/B121.abstract" rel="nofollow noreferrer">This paper</a> describes a time-lapse MT method used to monitor changes in conductivity of a geothermal system over time. </p>

<p>Passive seismic data (sourced from earthquakes) may also be used to measure properties of the mantle, but a detailed model of mantle flow would be very difficult to build from seismic for many reasons. </p>

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willow
<p>Can a device or radioactive tracer be inserted into a volcanic lava lake, sunk to the mantle, and study the flow of magma within the mantle?</p>

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Using current technology, is it possible to directly measure magma flow in the mantle?
Gstestso
# Using current technology, is it possible to directly measure magma flow in the mantle?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-08-28)

Can a device or radioactive tracer be inserted into a volcanic lava lake, sunk to the mantle, and study the flow of magma within the mantle?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2015-08-28. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

There are many issues I have with your suggestion. How would you distinguish the radiation that your source would emit from other sources of radiation? Also how would you detect the radiation? Where would you place the radiation detector? A detector placed on the surface of the Earth would not detect any radiation from the Mantle because the Crust would absorb the radiation, due to its thickness.

Any device that would be placed in a pool of magma would most likely be melted by the heat of the magma. If the shell of the device managed to survive, the electronics and sensors would be damaged to the point of being inoperable.

If a device were to survive the heat how would the device send signals to the surface of the Earth? Extreme ultra low frequency radio might work, but the source signal would need to be very strong and I don't envisage that being possible for a device dropped into a volcano.

Getting a device to sink into magma would require the device to have a density higher than that of the magma.

Drilling very deep holes to conduct a seismological survey of mantle magma is not possible given that the deepest hole ever drilled was the [Kola Superdeep Borehole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole), drilled by the Soviet Union during the 1970s and 1980s. Its final depth was 12 262 metres - one-third of the way through the Baltic continental crust. Drilling was terminated short of the 15 000 metre target due to the rock temperature being 180 degrees Celsius.

Using [electric potential variations](http://htthttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1474706506000465p://) within magma to study magma within the mantle would not be possible because the technique requires an antenna to be place in a drilled hole.

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: Another problem is that no one guarantees that there is a direct tube that goes directly down from the lava lake to the mantle.  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2015-08-28. Score: 3

Currently the most direct way of measuring mantle properties is using geophysics. For instance, magnetotellurics (MT) can be used to measure resitivity in the upper mantle at mid-ocean ridges:

[![](https://i.sstatic.net/QSKNE.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/QSKNE.jpg)

source: <http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v495/n7442/fig_tab/nature11932_F2.html>

or near volcanoes:

[![](https://i.sstatic.net/wTuz1.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/wTuz1.png)

source: <http://plutons.science.oregonstate.edu/research/magnetotellurics>

If you left the MT tools in the ground for a long time, you could record time-lapse resitivity measurements if you regularly grabbed the data. The change in the shape of the resitivity over time could potentially correlate to mantle flow. [This paper](http://geophysics.geoscienceworld.org/content/78/3/B121.abstract) describes a time-lapse MT method used to monitor changes in conductivity of a geothermal system over time.

Passive seismic data (sourced from earthquakes) may also be used to measure properties of the mantle, but a detailed model of mantle flow would be very difficult to build from seismic for many reasons.


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