<p>Figured out what it's doing by comparing results for the site at <a href="https://meteostat.net/en/station/72528?t=2020-12-25/2021-01-08" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Buffalo Airport</a> with <a href="https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=buf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">NOAA NOWData</a>... for December 26th and 27th, 2020 it showed (after converting NOAA data from inches to mm):</p>
<div class="s-table-container">
<table class="s-table">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>date</th>
<th>MS Total Precip</th>
<th>MS Snow</th>
<th>NOAA Precip</th>
<th>NOAA New Snow</th>
<th>NOAA Snow Depth</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>26</td>
<td>37.6 mm</td>
<td>200 mm</td>
<td>37.592 mm</td>
<td>467.36 mm</td>
<td>203.2 mm</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>27</td>
<td>0 mm</td>
<td><strong>410 mm</strong></td>
<td>Trace</td>
<td>Trace</td>
<td>406.4 mm</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
</div>
<p>So the total precip is what I would expect, a liquid water equivalent, matching with the NWS value, which I'm familiar with using for many years.</p>
<p>The problem is your meteostat site is giving the snow DEPTH in the snow column... so a measure of how much snow is sitting on the ground (taken early in the day... an IOWA NWS site <a href="https://www.weather.gov/dvn/snowmeasure" rel="nofollow noreferrer">suggests at 7 AM</a>), not how much fell in the day, and you won't be able to calculate from it to get total snowfall (because melting or lack thereof and compacting mean you can't just count differences... as even on this date, the 470 mm only became 210 mm of extra snow depth)</p>
<p>I guess that's kind of the de facto data taken at stations, as measuring accumulation directly <a href="https://www.weather.gov/media/ffc/snow_measurement_guidelines.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">can only be reasonably done with more frequent measurements on a swept-clean snowboard</a>, which is contrary to station automation and probably only done on site at significant airports and weather offices?  So for most places, that's the best direct data you have :-(  The US NWS also produces <a href="https://water.weather.gov/precip/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">precipitation</a> and <a href="https://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/snowfall_v2/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">snow</a> map interpolations from radar and station data, but not sure such a dataset exists for other places in the world :-(  So not sure how hydrologists get snowfall data, without someone going out to these places and doing longterm data collection?  Must interpolate from nearby stations or use model data or such???</p>

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<p>I'm new in hydrology sciences and for my work, I have to differentiate solid precipitation time series and liquid precipitation from total precipitation time series. My data are from a meteorological station and the figure below is to illustrate the followings.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/6uOIA.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/6uOIA.png" alt="Data" /></a></p>
<p>Generally, we consider that 10 cm of snow = 1 cm of equivalent water. But, following a number of paramters, this ratio can be great or less. But let us suppose that the ratio snow/water = 100cm/1cm (which is probably wrong), despite this very disproportionate ratio, it is impossible to show that Total precipitation &gt;= Solid precipitation (snow) at dates where it snowed.</p>
<p>My questions are : What total precipitation means here? Isn't it the sum of solid and liquid precipitation? Why equivalent water of snow is always superior to total precipitation? Does total precipitation already take into account the water equivalent of snow?</p>
<p>Here is the link to the site where I got the data (you can enter an Airport name to get some data to see what is going on, if necessary): <a href="https://meteostat.net/en/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://meteostat.net/en/</a></p>

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Does total precipitation have different meanings?
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# Does total precipitation have different meanings?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-11-03)

I'm new in hydrology sciences and for my work, I have to differentiate solid precipitation time series and liquid precipitation from total precipitation time series. My data are from a meteorological station and the figure below is to illustrate the followings.

[![Data](https://i.sstatic.net/6uOIA.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/6uOIA.png)

Generally, we consider that 10 cm of snow = 1 cm of equivalent water. But, following a number of paramters, this ratio can be great or less. But let us suppose that the ratio snow/water = 100cm/1cm (which is probably wrong), despite this very disproportionate ratio, it is impossible to show that Total precipitation >= Solid precipitation (snow) at dates where it snowed.

My questions are : What total precipitation means here? Isn't it the sum of solid and liquid precipitation? Why equivalent water of snow is always superior to total precipitation? Does total precipitation already take into account the water equivalent of snow?

Here is the link to the site where I got the data (you can enter an Airport name to get some data to see what is going on, if necessary): <https://meteostat.net/en/>

**Tags:** meteorology, climate, hydrology


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### Answer by username_1 on 2021-11-04. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

Figured out what it's doing by comparing results for the site at [Buffalo Airport](https://meteostat.net/en/station/72528?t=2020-12-25/2021-01-08) with [NOAA NOWData](https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=buf)... for December 26th and 27th, 2020 it showed (after converting NOAA data from inches to mm):

| date | MS Total Precip | MS Snow | NOAA Precip | NOAA New Snow | NOAA Snow Depth |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| 26 | 37.6 mm | 200 mm | 37.592 mm | 467.36 mm | 203.2 mm |
| 27 | 0 mm | **410 mm** | Trace | Trace | 406.4 mm |

So the total precip is what I would expect, a liquid water equivalent, matching with the NWS value, which I'm familiar with using for many years.

The problem is your meteostat site is giving the snow DEPTH in the snow column... so a measure of how much snow is sitting on the ground (taken early in the day... an IOWA NWS site [suggests at 7 AM](https://www.weather.gov/dvn/snowmeasure)), not how much fell in the day, and you won't be able to calculate from it to get total snowfall (because melting or lack thereof and compacting mean you can't just count differences... as even on this date, the 470 mm only became 210 mm of extra snow depth)

I guess that's kind of the de facto data taken at stations, as measuring accumulation directly [can only be reasonably done with more frequent measurements on a swept-clean snowboard](https://www.weather.gov/media/ffc/snow_measurement_guidelines.pdf), which is contrary to station automation and probably only done on site at significant airports and weather offices? So for most places, that's the best direct data you have :-( The US NWS also produces [precipitation](https://water.weather.gov/precip/) and [snow](https://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/snowfall_v2/) map interpolations from radar and station data, but not sure such a dataset exists for other places in the world :-( So not sure how hydrologists get snowfall data, without someone going out to these places and doing longterm data collection? Must interpolate from nearby stations or use model data or such???


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