<p>Positive lightning is indeed very interesting. <a href="http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/lightning/positive.htm" rel="noreferrer">According to the National Weather Service</a>, the reason why it has a higher amperage and voltage is due to the due to the amount of air it must get through to reach the ground. Otherwise, it would never reach the ground.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Since it originates in the upper levels of a storm, <strong>the amount of air
  it must burn through to reach the ground usually much greater.
  Therefore, its electric field typically is much stronger than a
  negative strike.</strong> Its flash duration is longer, and its peak charge and
  potential can be ten times greater than a negative strike; as much as
  300,000 amperes and one billion volts!</p>
</blockquote>

<p>This would also account for the brightness of positive lightning and the extended duration, as a higher amperage &amp; voltage strike would appear brighter and take longer to dissipate.</p>

<p><a href="http://diaxiomtechnologies.com/what-creates-positive-lightning" rel="noreferrer">This page</a> talks about why positive lightning occurs. It says:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>"Positive lightning" is a simple process of completing an electrical
  circuit from the cloud to the ground and back to the cloud.  <strong>As
  negative lightning strikes the ground, the ground becomes negatively
  charged over a wide area.  As the storm moves over this area and past
  it, the H+ in the upper reaches of the cloud feels this potential
  difference from the ground and sends out a positive streamer which,
  for all intents, looks like normal negative lightning.  The ground
  sends up a negative streamer and once these two join, electrons from
  the ground flow upwards to the H+ in the top of the cloud. The ground
  then becomes neutral once again.  The ground will hold the negative
  charge of dozens of negative strikes, building up a huge potential,
  before positive lightning will occur.</strong>   This is why positive lightning
  is so powerful.</p>
  
  <p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/zCVLj.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></p>
</blockquote>

<p>Positive lightning is probably so rare because it takes so many negative strikes in order for enough energy to build up to cause a positive lightening strike.</p>

<p>There are quite a few interesting facts about positive lightning:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Some interesting properties of positive lightning:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li><p>Positive lightning can be the dominate type of cloud-to-ground during the winter months and in the dissipating stage of a
  thunderstorm.</p></li>
  <li><p>Positive lightning has been identified as a major source for the recently discovered sprites and elves. Sprites and elves are most
  likely lightning discharges but occur from 18-60 miles (30-95 km) in
  altitude, well above the parent thunderstorm.</p></li>
  <li><p>Positive lightning is usually composed of one stroke (negative lightning typically consists of two or more strokes)</p></li>
  </ul>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="https://www.nssl.noaa.gov/education/svrwx101/lightning/faq/" rel="noreferrer">Another NOAA site says</a> that positive lightning can strike "near the edge of a cloud", or even 10 miles away from the cloud! This means that a positive lighting strike <em>could</em> occur somewhere where the sky is blue, and it's not raining.  </p>

<p>In addition, there is also a type of lightning called "bipolar" lightning, which <em>changes</em> its polarity.</p>

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I would be quite cautious about trusting the second website that you link, unless you also have personal knowledge of the subject.
Semidiurnal Simon
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Speaking of the second link, it is broken as of Nov 8. Maybe edit?
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@Michael I can't find the second link in the Wayback Machine nor anywhere else... I also couldn't find a second source for this information. Perhaps I'm bad at searching, or perhaps this information isn't out there (and thus shouldn't be trusted).
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Please stop spreading misinformation
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<p>Why is 'positive' lightning rarer, brighter, higher charged, and longer lasting than 'negative' lightning?  Are there any other unique characteristics to positive lightning that sets it apart from more common negative lightning?</p>

<p><strong>Positive Lightning vs Negative Lightning</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Rarity: 1:10 - 1:20 (on average)</li>
<li>Charge: 10:1 (on average)</li>
</ul>

<p>(I'd imagine that brightness and duration are correlated to the charge).</p>

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Is it more correct to say 'electric current' than 'charge' in this case? thanks.
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What causes 'positive' lightning to be rarer, higher charged, and longer lasting than 'negative' lightning?
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# What causes 'positive' lightning to be rarer, higher charged, and longer lasting than 'negative' lightning?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-04-17)

Why is 'positive' lightning rarer, brighter, higher charged, and longer lasting than 'negative' lightning? Are there any other unique characteristics to positive lightning that sets it apart from more common negative lightning?

**Positive Lightning vs Negative Lightning**

* Rarity: 1:10 - 1:20 (on average)
* Charge: 10:1 (on average)

(I'd imagine that brightness and duration are correlated to the charge).

**Tags:** meteorology, convection, lightning, electromagnetism

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Is it more correct to say 'electric current' than 'charge' in this case? thanks.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2014-04-17. Score: 11 | Accepted answer

Positive lightning is indeed very interesting. [According to the National Weather Service](http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/lightning/positive.htm), the reason why it has a higher amperage and voltage is due to the due to the amount of air it must get through to reach the ground. Otherwise, it would never reach the ground.

> Since it originates in the upper levels of a storm, **the amount of air
> it must burn through to reach the ground usually much greater.
> Therefore, its electric field typically is much stronger than a
> negative strike.** Its flash duration is longer, and its peak charge and
> potential can be ten times greater than a negative strike; as much as
> 300,000 amperes and one billion volts!

This would also account for the brightness of positive lightning and the extended duration, as a higher amperage & voltage strike would appear brighter and take longer to dissipate.

[This page](http://diaxiomtechnologies.com/what-creates-positive-lightning) talks about why positive lightning occurs. It says:

> "Positive lightning" is a simple process of completing an electrical
> circuit from the cloud to the ground and back to the cloud. **As
> negative lightning strikes the ground, the ground becomes negatively
> charged over a wide area. As the storm moves over this area and past
> it, the H+ in the upper reaches of the cloud feels this potential
> difference from the ground and sends out a positive streamer which,
> for all intents, looks like normal negative lightning. The ground
> sends up a negative streamer and once these two join, electrons from
> the ground flow upwards to the H+ in the top of the cloud. The ground
> then becomes neutral once again. The ground will hold the negative
> charge of dozens of negative strikes, building up a huge potential,
> before positive lightning will occur.** This is why positive lightning
> is so powerful.
>
> ![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/zCVLj.jpg)

Positive lightning is probably so rare because it takes so many negative strikes in order for enough energy to build up to cause a positive lightening strike.

There are quite a few interesting facts about positive lightning:

> Some interesting properties of positive lightning:
>
> * Positive lightning can be the dominate type of cloud-to-ground during the winter months and in the dissipating stage of a
>   thunderstorm.
> * Positive lightning has been identified as a major source for the recently discovered sprites and elves. Sprites and elves are most
>   likely lightning discharges but occur from 18-60 miles (30-95 km) in
>   altitude, well above the parent thunderstorm.
> * Positive lightning is usually composed of one stroke (negative lightning typically consists of two or more strokes)

[Another NOAA site says](https://www.nssl.noaa.gov/education/svrwx101/lightning/faq/) that positive lightning can strike "near the edge of a cloud", or even 10 miles away from the cloud! This means that a positive lighting strike *could* occur somewhere where the sky is blue, and it's not raining.

In addition, there is also a type of lightning called "bipolar" lightning, which *changes* its polarity.

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: I would be quite cautious about trusting the second website that you link, unless you also have personal knowledge of the subject.  
> **username_3**: Speaking of the second link, it is broken as of Nov 8. Maybe edit?  
> **username_1**: @Michael I can't find the second link in the Wayback Machine nor anywhere else... I also couldn't find a second source for this information. Perhaps I'm bad at searching, or perhaps this information isn't out there (and thus shouldn't be trusted).  
> **username_4**: Please stop spreading misinformation  

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