<p>I recently have calculated the total cost of an energy system that is based on wind power as the primary power source and hydrogen as the energy storage mechanism. The total system costs are approximately similar to a system based only on new nuclear power plants built according to current regulations in the current market conditions. All of this is somewhat roughly estimated, as we don't know how much electrolyzers, hydrogen storage solutions, and hydrogen to electricity conversion in turbines or fuel cells costs in very large scales.</p>

<p>However, hydrogen needs to be stored somewhere. Its energy density by weight is extremely high, but energy density by volume is very low, even when compressed or liquefied. There are several solutions:</p>

<ul>
<li>Liquid hydrogen. Unfortunately, the energy efficiency of liquid hydrogen is low. Also, even with thermally isolated containers, the hydrogen needs to gradually leak away.</li>
<li>Compressed hydrogen stored in pipelines. Unfortunately, hydrogen causes embrittlement of steel, possibly leading to hydrogen leaks.</li>
<li>Storage in old mines, old depleted oil/gas fields, etc. However, hydrogen could theoretically leak.</li>
</ul>

<p>All of these solutions have the possibility that hydrogen will leak away.</p>

<p>Therefore, my questions are:</p>

<ul>
<li>What are the environmental effects of hydrogen leaked to the atmosphere?</li>
<li>What is the atmospheric lifetime of hydrogen?</li>
<li>What is the global warming potential of hydrogen on timescales that matter (let's say 20 years or 100 years)?</li>
<li>What is the mechanism of removal from the atmosphere? Oxidation to water, or similar to helium: escaping to space?</li>
<li>Is the usage of hydrogen as an energy storage mechanism even justified based on the environmental effects, or are the effects so bad that it makes sense to continue burning of fossil fuels or reconsider nuclear energy?</li>
</ul>

CC BY-SA 4.0
2018-10-21T17:45:53.520Z
Welcome, sounds like you're putting in some diligence, good deal.  Suggest you limit each post to one question.  And ask one or two posts at first, see what kind of answers you get, then post the additional questions?  That's your best hopes of getting good answers I'd think, as each probably has quite a bit of details involved.
JeopardyTempest
CC BY-SA 4.0
2018-10-22T02:17:27.380Z
Hydrogen does not embrittle ordinary steels at ambient temperatures that is why it is routinely stored in high pressure steel tanks. When conditions cause 
 hydrogen embrittling of high strength steels the results are usually catastrophic, not leakage. It diffuses through steel easily above 400 F : many high pressure refinery units ( reformers, etc)  have been emitting hydrogen for many years . No affect I know of, but there may be more info someplace.
blacksmith37
CC BY-SA 4.0
2018-10-22T04:06:25.287Z
[Global Environmental Impacts of the Hydrogen Economy](https://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/~dstevens/Presentations/Papers/derwent_ijhr06.pdf).
Keith McClary
<atmosphere><climate-change><technology>
What are the environmental effects of leaking hydrogen from large-scale energy storage mechanisms?
juhist
# What are the environmental effects of leaking hydrogen from large-scale energy storage mechanisms?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-10-21)

I recently have calculated the total cost of an energy system that is based on wind power as the primary power source and hydrogen as the energy storage mechanism. The total system costs are approximately similar to a system based only on new nuclear power plants built according to current regulations in the current market conditions. All of this is somewhat roughly estimated, as we don't know how much electrolyzers, hydrogen storage solutions, and hydrogen to electricity conversion in turbines or fuel cells costs in very large scales.

However, hydrogen needs to be stored somewhere. Its energy density by weight is extremely high, but energy density by volume is very low, even when compressed or liquefied. There are several solutions:

* Liquid hydrogen. Unfortunately, the energy efficiency of liquid hydrogen is low. Also, even with thermally isolated containers, the hydrogen needs to gradually leak away.
* Compressed hydrogen stored in pipelines. Unfortunately, hydrogen causes embrittlement of steel, possibly leading to hydrogen leaks.
* Storage in old mines, old depleted oil/gas fields, etc. However, hydrogen could theoretically leak.

All of these solutions have the possibility that hydrogen will leak away.

Therefore, my questions are:

* What are the environmental effects of hydrogen leaked to the atmosphere?
* What is the atmospheric lifetime of hydrogen?
* What is the global warming potential of hydrogen on timescales that matter (let's say 20 years or 100 years)?
* What is the mechanism of removal from the atmosphere? Oxidation to water, or similar to helium: escaping to space?
* Is the usage of hydrogen as an energy storage mechanism even justified based on the environmental effects, or are the effects so bad that it makes sense to continue burning of fossil fuels or reconsider nuclear energy?

**Tags:** atmosphere, climate-change, technology

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Welcome, sounds like you're putting in some diligence, good deal.  Suggest you limit each post to one question.  And ask one or two posts at first, see what kind of answers you get, then post the additional questions?  That's your best hopes of getting good answers I'd think, as each probably has quite a bit of details involved.  
> **username_2**: Hydrogen does not embrittle ordinary steels at ambient temperatures that is why it is routinely stored in high pressure steel tanks. When conditions cause   hydrogen embrittling of high strength steels the results are usually catastrophic, not leakage. It diffuses through steel easily above 400 F : many high pressure refinery units ( reformers, etc)  have been emitting hydrogen for many years . No affect I know of, but there may be more info someplace.  
> **username_3**: [Global Environmental Impacts of the Hydrogen Economy](https://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/~dstevens/Presentations/Papers/derwent_ijhr06.pdf).  

---

## 0 answers

