<p>The chemistry of lead is very different from that of uranium and thorium. There are key kinds of rock that could not possibly have been formed with even the smallest amount of primordial lead. The lithophilic nature of uranium and thorium means that those same kinds of rock could easily have readily accepted primordial uranium or thorium.</p>

<p>Any lead in those kinds of rocks must necessarily be the result of decay of uranium or thorium after the rock formed.</p>

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<p>The field of nuclear physics has established the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decay" rel="nofollow noreferrer">radioactive decay</a> series for radioactive elements (see <a href="https://www.boundless.com/physics/textbooks/boundless-physics-textbook/nuclear-physics-and-radioactivity-30/radioactivity-190/radioactive-decay-series-introduction-708-1301/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a> as well).</p>

<p>Unlike <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Uranium 238</a>, <a href="http://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclear-power-plant/nuclear-fuel/uranium/uranium-234/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Uranium 234</a> is not <a href="http://www.nuclear-power.net/glossary/primordial-matter/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">primordial nuclide</a>. It is a indirect decay product of Uranium 238.</p>

<p>By knowing what elements, and their isotopes, are present in rocks and how much of these isotopes are present, combined with the radioactive decay chain it is possible to determine the amount of Uranium 234 that was once present when the rocks formed.</p>

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This is the only correct answer, as the OP was asking about the U-Th series used for dating young carbonates, not U-Pb dating used in zircons.
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<p><strong>Lead and uranium have completely different electro-chemical properties</strong>. So as David mentioned it does not matter how much uranium the sample had (as long as it is enough to measure) what matters is whether it contained any lead when it formed. Uranium and lead do not form the same kinds of bonds with other elements, so what you do is look for a uranium based crystal or uranium incorporating crystal. Crystals have a very regular bonding pattern, so you know when the crystal formed it was uranium and not lead, becasue lead cannot form those types of bonds with the smale materials uranium can. So when you find lead locked in those crystals you know it is because when it crystallized it was uranium and later decayed into lead. </p>

<p>Most samples used are crystals for this reason. We pick materials that could not normally include lead, by doing this you can add up the total amount of lead and uranium and that will tell you how much uranium there was originally.    <strong>Zircon</strong> is especially common for this becasue it will readily incorporate uranium but strongly rejects lead, so even if there is lead present in the solution (molten rock) in will not be incorporated into the crystal, because it is actively repelled by the crystal surface, thus insuring any lead you find came after the crystal was already solid and the repulsion could not push it out. </p>

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<p>Concerning "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium%E2%80%93thorium_dating" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Uranium-series dating</a>", also known as "Uranium-thorium dating". 
 Uranium is present in deposits, "typically at levels of between a few parts per billion and few parts per million by weight", according to the wikipedia article on the subject.</p>

<p>As an example, with carbon dating, the amount of carbon-14 originally present in any given sample is consistent with the amount of carbon-14 created by the activity of sunlight in the atmosphere.</p>

<p>How do we know how much uranium-234 was in any given sample of rock when it was created/deposited?</p>

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You don't need to know how much uranium was present in a sample of rock when it formed. What you need to know is that (a) there couldn't have been any lead present when the rock was formed, (b) some lead exists now, and (c) that lead results from the decay chain of uranium (and also thorium) to lead.
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How do we know how much Uranium was in any given sample when it was deposited?
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# How do we know how much Uranium was in any given sample when it was deposited?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-08-15)

Concerning "[Uranium-series dating](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium%E2%80%93thorium_dating)", also known as "Uranium-thorium dating".
Uranium is present in deposits, "typically at levels of between a few parts per billion and few parts per million by weight", according to the wikipedia article on the subject.

As an example, with carbon dating, the amount of carbon-14 originally present in any given sample is consistent with the amount of carbon-14 created by the activity of sunlight in the atmosphere.

How do we know how much uranium-234 was in any given sample of rock when it was created/deposited?

**Tags:** geology, radioactivity, archaeology

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: You don't need to know how much uranium was present in a sample of rock when it formed. What you need to know is that (a) there couldn't have been any lead present when the rock was formed, (b) some lead exists now, and (c) that lead results from the decay chain of uranium (and also thorium) to lead.  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2017-08-16. Score: 1

The chemistry of lead is very different from that of uranium and thorium. There are key kinds of rock that could not possibly have been formed with even the smallest amount of primordial lead. The lithophilic nature of uranium and thorium means that those same kinds of rock could easily have readily accepted primordial uranium or thorium.

Any lead in those kinds of rocks must necessarily be the result of decay of uranium or thorium after the rock formed.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2017-08-16. Score: 1

The field of nuclear physics has established the [radioactive decay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decay) series for radioactive elements (see [here](https://www.boundless.com/physics/textbooks/boundless-physics-textbook/nuclear-physics-and-radioactivity-30/radioactivity-190/radioactive-decay-series-introduction-708-1301/) as well).

Unlike [Uranium 238](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238), [Uranium 234](http://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclear-power-plant/nuclear-fuel/uranium/uranium-234/) is not [primordial nuclide](http://www.nuclear-power.net/glossary/primordial-matter/). It is a indirect decay product of Uranium 238.

By knowing what elements, and their isotopes, are present in rocks and how much of these isotopes are present, combined with the radioactive decay chain it is possible to determine the amount of Uranium 234 that was once present when the rocks formed.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: This is the only correct answer, as the OP was asking about the U-Th series used for dating young carbonates, not U-Pb dating used in zircons.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2017-08-17. Score: 0

**Lead and uranium have completely different electro-chemical properties**. So as username_1 mentioned it does not matter how much uranium the sample had (as long as it is enough to measure) what matters is whether it contained any lead when it formed. Uranium and lead do not form the same kinds of bonds with other elements, so what you do is look for a uranium based crystal or uranium incorporating crystal. Crystals have a very regular bonding pattern, so you know when the crystal formed it was uranium and not lead, becasue lead cannot form those types of bonds with the smale materials uranium can. So when you find lead locked in those crystals you know it is because when it crystallized it was uranium and later decayed into lead.

Most samples used are crystals for this reason. We pick materials that could not normally include lead, by doing this you can add up the total amount of lead and uranium and that will tell you how much uranium there was originally. **Zircon** is especially common for this becasue it will readily incorporate uranium but strongly rejects lead, so even if there is lead present in the solution (molten rock) in will not be incorporated into the crystal, because it is actively repelled by the crystal surface, thus insuring any lead you find came after the crystal was already solid and the repulsion could not push it out.


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