every morning, i come to your presence-

EH1 V-ER0 IY0 M-AO1-R N-IH0 NG-AY1 K-AH1-M T-UW1 Y-AO1-R P-R-EH1 Z-AH0-N-S


... and i behold you as in a mirror now those-

AH0-N D-AY1 B-IH0 HH-OW1-L D-Y-UW1 AE1 Z-IH0 N-AH0 M-IH1 R-ER0 N-AW1 DH-OW1-Z


... are really important words to stay on those for a minute, because we don't only look at jesus.

AA1-R R-IH1 L-IY0 IH0-M P-AO1-R T-AH0-N T-W-ER1-D-Z T-UW1-S T-EY1 AA1-N DH-OW1-Z F-AO1 R-AH0 M-IH1 N-AH0-T B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-W-IY1 D-AA1-N T-OW1 N-L-IY0 L-UH1 K-AE1-T JH-IY1 Z-AH0-S


what he showed me was-


... opportunities. now i knew this with my brain. you know that you can know things with your brain and not be walking in revelation, right?yeah. yeah.

AA2 P-ER0 T-UW1 N-AH0 T-IY0 Z-N-AW1 AY1 N-UW1 DH-IH1 S-W-IH1 DH-M-AY1 B-R-EY1 N-Y-UW1 N-OW1 DH-AE1 T-Y-UW1 K-AE1-N N-OW1 TH-IH1-NG Z-W-IH1 DH-Y-AO1-R B-R-EY1 N-AH0-N D-N-AA1-T B-IY1 W-AO1 K-IH0 NG-IH0 N-R-EH2 V-AH0 L-EY1 SH-AH0 N-R-IY0 T-AY1 HH-IY0 Y-AE1


but my heart was being dealt with by the lord.

B-AH1 T-M-AY1 HH-AA1-R T-W-AA1-Z B-IY1 IH0-NG D-EH1-L T-W-IH1-DH B-AY1 DH-AH0 L-AO1-R-D


and he said, when you look at jesus in the gospels-

AH0-N-D HH-IY1 S-EH1 D-W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 L-UH1 K-AE1-T JH-IY1 Z-AH0 S-IH0-N DH-AH0 G-AA1-S P-AH0-L-Z


... are manifestation of him in all of the ages of eternity.

AA1-R M-AE2 N-AH0 F-EH0-S T-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH1-V HH-IH1 M-IH0 N-AO1 L-AH1-V DH-AH0 EY1 JH-AH0 Z-AH1 V-IH0 T-ER1 N-AH0 T-IY0


this whole figure of beholding as with unveiled face, as in a mirror, the glory of the lord and being transformed, okay. being transformed, what? into that same image.

DH-IH1-S HH-OW1-L F-IH1 G-Y-ER0 AH1-V B-IH0 HH-OW1-L D-IH0 NG-AE1 Z-W-IH1 DH-AH0-N V-EY1-L-D F-EY1 S-AE1 Z-IH0 N-AH0 M-IH1 R-ER0 DH-AH0 G-L-AO1 R-IY0 AH1-V DH-AH0 L-AO1-R D-AH0-N-D B-IY1 IH0-NG T-R-AE0-N-S F-AO1-R-M D-OW2 K-EY1 B-IY1 IH0-NG T-R-AE0-N-S F-AO1-R-M D-W-AH1 T-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AE1-T S-EY1 M-IH1 M-AH0-JH


man, how low we think sometimes.

M-AE1-N HH-AW1 L-OW1 W-IY1 TH-IH1-NG-K S-AH0-M T-AY1-M-Z


being transformed into that same image-

B-IY1 IH0-NG T-R-AE0-N-S F-AO1-R-M D-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AE1-T S-EY1 M-IH1 M-AH0-JH


... possessing the fullness and attributes, which make god, god did not think this equality with god was a thing-

P-AH0 Z-EH1 S-IH0-NG DH-AH0 F-UH1-L N-AH0 S-AH0-N D-AH0 T-R-IH1 B-Y-UW2-T S-W-IH1 CH-M-EY1-K G-AA1-D G-AA1-D D-IH1 D-N-AA1-T TH-IH1-NG-K DH-IH1 S-IH0 K-W-AA1 L-AH0 T-IY0 W-IH1-DH G-AA1 D-W-AA1 Z-AH0 TH-IH1-NG


so right there. the bible bears out that jesus, he took off. when he came to earth, he took off-

S-OW1 R-AY1-T DH-EH1-R DH-AH0 B-AY1 B-AH0-L B-EH1-R Z-AW1-T DH-AE1-T JH-IY1 Z-AH0-S HH-IY1 T-UH1 K-AO1 F-W-EH1-N HH-IY1 K-EY1-M T-UW1 ER1-TH HH-IY1 T-UH1 K-AO1-F


... walking. okay? but there's principle.

W-AO1 K-IH0 NG-OW2 K-EY1 B-AH1-T DH-EH1-R-Z P-R-IH1-N S-AH0 P-AH0-L


it doesn't point back to his earth walk.

IH1-T D-OW1 S-AH0-N-T P-OY1-N-T B-AE1-K T-UW1 HH-IH1 Z-ER1 TH-W-AO1-K


it says, as he is now-


... strength. and when i saw him, i fell at his feet as dead.

S-T-R-EH1-NG-K TH-AH0-N D-W-EH1 N-AY1 S-AO1 HH-IH1 M-AY1 F-EH1 L-AE1-T HH-IH1-Z F-IY1 T-AE1-Z D-EH1-D


for i am the first and the last. i am he.

F-AO1 R-AY1 AE1-M DH-AH0 F-ER1-S T-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 L-AE1-S T-AY1 AE1-M HH-IY1


now we read these things and i just want you to sailor-

N-AW1 W-IY1 R-EH1-D DH-IY1-Z TH-IH1-NG Z-AH0-N D-AY1 JH-AH1-S T-W-AA1-N T-Y-UW1 T-UW1 S-EY1 L-ER0


shines like the sun.


with it's brightness.


and you might say, well-


and i am persuaded at this. and i think, a lot of most...

AH0-N D-AY1 AE1-M P-ER0 S-W-EY1 D-AH0 D-AE1-T DH-IH1 S-AH0-N D-AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1 V-M-OW1-S-T


god chose somebody who had never even seen jesus in the flesh.

G-AA1-D CH-OW1-Z S-AH1-M B-AA2 D-IY0 HH-UW1 HH-AE1 D-N-EH1 V-ER0 IY1 V-IH0-N S-IY1-N JH-IY1 Z-AH0 S-IH0-N DH-AH0 F-L-EH1-SH


that glory is in you.

DH-AE1-T G-L-AO1 R-IY0 IH1 Z-IH0 N-Y-UW1


three, he says this, god-

TH-R-IY1 HH-IY1 S-EH1-Z DH-IH1-S G-AA1-D


... i have to realize who he is.

AY1 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 R-IY1 L-AY2-Z HH-UW1 HH-IY1 IH1-Z


i'm working on my ability to grasp to a greater degree-

IH1 M-W-ER1 K-IH0 NG-AA1-N M-AY1 AH0 B-IH1 L-AH0 T-IY0 T-UW1 G-R-AE1-S-P T-UW1 AH0 G-R-EY1 T-ER0 D-IH0 G-R-IY1


but these things are so big and so huge that sometimes it just, it's hard to wrap your mind around.

B-AH1-T DH-IY1-Z TH-IH1-NG Z-AA1-R S-OW1 B-IH1 G-AH0-N-D S-OW1 HH-Y-UW1-JH DH-AE1-T S-AH0-M T-AY1-M Z-IH1-T JH-AH1-S T-IH1-T-S HH-AA1-R-D T-UW1 R-AE1 P-Y-AO1-R M-AY1-N D-ER0 AW1-N-D


it's like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. and the city this first 16.

IH1-T S-L-AY1 K-AH0 M-OW1-S-T P-R-EH1 SH-AH0-S-S T-OW1 N-L-AY1 K-AH0 JH-AE1-S P-ER0-S T-OW1-N K-L-IH1 R-AE1-Z K-R-IH1-S T-AH0 L-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 S-IH1 T-IY0 DH-IH1-S F-ER1-S-T S-IH0-K-S T-IY1-N


this is real. this is a real place.

DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-R-IY1-L DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-AH0 R-IY1-L P-L-EY1-S


... takes and once we understand the super long thing, we're not being on furlongs.

T-EY1-K S-AH0-N D-W-AH1-N S-W-IY1 AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N-D DH-AH0 S-UW1 P-ER0 L-AO1-NG TH-IH1 NG-W-ER0 N-AA1-T B-IY1 IH0 NG-AA1-N F-ER1 L-AO2-NG-Z


light that shines in the face of jesus.

L-AY1-T DH-AE1-T SH-AY1-N Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 F-EY1 S-AH1-V JH-IY1 Z-AH0-S


so you're still earthen. you're still going to make mistakes.

S-OW1 Y-UH1-R-S T-IH1 L-ER1 TH-AH0 N-Y-UH1-R-S T-IH1-L G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 M-EY1 K-M-IH0-S T-EY1-K-S


i'm wonderful. do you know what i'm saying?right. right.and i'm not knocking that, if it aligns with the word and it worked for you do it, but...

IH1 M-W-AH1-N D-ER0 F-AH0-L D-UW1 Y-UW1 N-OW1 W-AH1 T-IH1-M S-EY1 IH0 N-R-AY2 T-R-AY1 T-AH0-N D-IH1-M N-AA1 T-N-AA1 K-IH0-NG DH-AE1 T-IH1 F-IH1 T-AH0 L-AY1-N Z-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 W-ER1 D-AH0-N D-IH1 T-W-ER1-K-T F-AO1 R-Y-UW1 D-UW1 IH1-T B-AH1-T


i am smart. and what happens oh,

AY1 AE1-M S-M-AA1-R T-AH0-N D-W-AH1-T HH-AE1 P-AH0-N Z-OW1


to pray [inaudible 00:00:23] ephesians 1 prayer and ephesians 3 prayer. every day deliberately i'm praying to

T-UW1 P-R-EY1 IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z Z-IH1 R-OW0 M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 TH-R-IY1 S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-IH0 F-IY1 ZH-AH0-N Z-W-AH1-N P-R-EH1 R-AH0-N D-IH0 F-IY1 ZH-AH0-N-Z TH-R-IY1 P-R-EH1 R-EH1 V-ER0 IY0 D-EY1 D-IH0 L-IH1 B-ER0 AH0 T-L-IY0 AY1 AE1-M P-R-EY1 IH0-NG T-UW1


christianity, that's what paul talked about the simplicity that's in christ.

K-R-IH2-S CH-IY0 AE1 N-IH0 T-IY0 TH-AE1-T S-W-AH1-T P-AO1-L T-AO1-K T-AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 S-IH0-M P-L-IH1 S-AH0 T-IY0 TH-AE1-T S-IH0-N K-R-AY1-S-T


what belongs to me.


so there's no power outage?

S-OW1 DH-EH1-R Z-N-OW1 P-AW1 ER0 AW1 T-AH0-JH


in simple faith. i love this, it says "beware lest anyone cheats you through philosophy and empty..."

IH0-N S-IH1-M P-AH0-L F-EY1 TH-AY1 L-AH1-V DH-IH1 S-IH1-T S-EH1-Z B-IH0 W-EH1-R L-EH1-S T-EH1 N-IY0 W-AH2-N CH-IY1-T S-Y-UW1 TH-R-UW1 F-AH0 L-AA1 S-AH0 F-IY0 AH0-N D-EH1-M-P T-IY0


i didn't want steps or rules or philosophies.

AY1 D-IH1 D-AH0-N T-W-AA1-N-T-S T-EH1-P S-AO1-R R-UW1-L Z-AO1-R F-AH0 L-AA1 S-AH0 F-IY0-Z


but i press on to lay hold up and grasp for my own that which christ jesus...

B-AH1 T-AY1 P-R-EH1 S-AA1-N T-UW1 L-EY1 HH-OW1-L D-AH1 P-AH0-N-D G-R-AE1-S-P F-AO1-R M-AY1 OW1-N DH-AE1 T-W-IH1-CH K-R-AY1-S-T JH-IY1 Z-AH0-S


i've just totally lost my appetite for it. thank god.

AY1-V JH-AH1-S-T T-OW1 T-AH0 L-IY0 L-AO1-S T-M-AY1 AE1 P-AH0 T-AY2-T F-AO1 R-IH1-T TH-AE1-NG-K G-AA1-D


everybody say evil day. so, be forewarned.

EH1 V-R-IY0 B-AA2 D-IY0 S-EY1 IY1 V-AH0-L D-EY1 S-OW1 B-IY1 F-AO0 R-W-AO1-R-N-D


warfare. but when he says finally, this is really important fact for us to note.

W-AO1-R F-EH2-R B-AH1 T-W-EH1-N HH-IY1 S-EH1-Z F-AY1 N-AH0 L-IY0 DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-R-IH1 L-IY0 IH0-M P-AO1-R T-AH0-N-T F-AE1-K-T F-AO1 R-AH1-S T-UW1 N-OW1-T


we feel like it's one of the most complete well-balanced single book teachings in the new testament.

W-IY1 F-IY1-L L-AY1 K-IH1-T S-W-AH1 N-AH1-V DH-AH0 M-OW1-S-T K-AH0-M P-L-IY1 T-W-EH1-L B-AH0 N-AA1-L-D-S S-IH1-NG G-AH0-L B-UH1-K T-IY1 CH-IH0-NG Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 N-UW1 T-EH1-S T-AH0 M-AH0-N-T


so paul starts out with that and he tells us about the wealth and how we've inherited it and how it belongs to us completely

S-OW1 P-AO1-L-S T-AA1-R-T S-AW1 T-W-IH1-DH DH-AE1 T-AH0-N-D HH-IY1 T-EH1-L Z-AH1 S-AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 W-EH1-L TH-AH0-N-D HH-AW1 W-IY1 V-IH0-N HH-EH1 R-AH0 T-IH0 D-IH1 T-AH0-N-D HH-AW1 IH1-T B-IH0 L-AO1-NG-Z T-UW1 AH1-S K-AH0-M P-L-IY1 T-L-IY0


through christ, not through our own efforts.

TH-R-UW1 K-R-AY1-S T-N-AA1-T TH-R-UW1 AW1 ER0 OW1 N-EH1 F-ER0-T-S


ephesians, you see goes from

IH0 F-IY1 ZH-AH0-N Z-Y-UW1 S-IY1 G-OW1-Z F-R-AH1-M


of the believer.i am exceedingly concerned that they understand the wealth and the walk first.

AH1-V DH-AH0 B-EH2 L-IY0 V-EH1 R-IY0 AE1 M-IH0-K S-IY1 D-IH0 NG-L-IY0 K-AH0-N S-ER1-N-D DH-AE1-T DH-EY1 AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N-D DH-AH0 W-EH1-L TH-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 W-AO1-K F-ER1-S-T


then this is not going to be a surprise to you, but how many of you all have

DH-EH1-N DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-N-AA1-T G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 B-IY1 AH0 S-ER0 P-R-AY1-Z T-UW1 Y-UW1 B-AH1-T HH-AW1 M-EH1 N-IY0 AH1 V-Y-UW1 AO1-L HH-AE1-V


right? i mean that he is all about that. he's all about that. and then you come and then you hear pastor mac.

R-AY1 T-AY1 M-IY1-N DH-AE1-T HH-IY1 IH1 Z-AO1 L-AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AE1-T HH-IY1 Z-AO1 L-AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AE1 T-AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-Y-UW1 K-AH1 M-AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-Y-UW1 HH-IY1-R P-AE1-S T-ER0 M-AE1-K


what's pastor mac all about?

W-AH0-T-S P-AE1-S T-ER0 M-AE1 K-AO1 L-AH0 B-AW1-T


the walk. pastor mac, i'm not saying

DH-AH0 W-AO1-K P-AE1-S T-ER0 M-AE1 K-IH1-M N-AA1-T S-EY1 IH0-NG


and i think the person that

AH0-N D-AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K DH-AH0 P-ER1 S-AH0-N DH-AE1-T


his message we understand that. the faith message,

HH-IH1 Z-M-EH1 S-AH0 JH-W-IY1 AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N-D DH-AE1-T DH-AH0 F-EY1 TH-M-EH1 S-AH0-JH


we've been really strong on the faith and understanding believe we receive. we're getting stronger in the grace because we're getting an emphasis like that.

W-IY1-V B-IH1 N-R-IH1 L-IY0-S T-R-AO1 NG-AA1-N DH-AH0 F-EY1 TH-AH0-N D-AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N D-IH0-NG B-IH0 L-IY1 V-W-IY1 R-AH0 S-IY1 V-W-ER0 G-EH1 T-IH0-NG-S T-R-AO1 NG-ER0 IH0-N DH-AH0 G-R-EY1-S B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-W-ER0 G-EH1 T-IH0 NG-AE1 N-EH1-M F-AH0 S-AH0 S-L-AY1-K DH-AE1-T


the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

DH-AH0 TH-IY1-F K-AH1-M-Z T-UW1-S T-IY1-L K-IH1 L-AH0-N-D D-IH0-S T-R-OY1


i mean, we don't even have to come up with analogies. god gave us,

AY1 M-IY1 N-W-IY1 D-AA1-N T-IY1 V-IH0-N HH-AE1-V T-UW1 K-AH1 M-AH1 P-W-IH1 DH-AH0 N-AE1 L-AH0 JH-IY0-Z G-AA1-D G-EY1 V-AH1-S


one and the old testament with the israelites, with the promised land. and if you look in hebrews 3. we.

W-AH1 N-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 OW1-L-D T-EH1-S T-AH0 M-AH0-N T-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 IH1 Z-R-AH0 L-AY2-T S-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 P-R-AA1 M-AH0-S T-L-AE1-N D-AH0-N D-IH1 F-Y-UW1 L-UH1 K-IH0-N HH-EH1 B-R-AH0-S TH-R-IY1 W-IY1


won't tonight, but just if you need any confirmation that the new testament does confirm that the promised land is a picture

W-OW1-N-T T-AH0 N-AY1-T B-AH1-T JH-AH1-S T-IH1 F-Y-UW1 N-IY1 D-EH1 N-IY0 K-AA2-N F-ER0 M-EY1 SH-AH0-N DH-AE1-T DH-AH0 N-UW1 T-EH1-S T-AH0 M-AH0-N-T D-AH1-Z K-AH0-N F-ER1-M DH-AE1-T DH-AH0 P-R-AA1 M-AH0-S T-L-AE1-N D-IH1 Z-AH0 P-IH1-K CH-ER0


that the spirit-filled christian life,

DH-AE1-T DH-AH0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-F T-AH0-L D-IH0-NG K-R-IH1-S CH-AH0 N-L-AY1-F


and their land when he destroyed them, the lord will give them over to you

AH0-N-D DH-EH1-R L-AE1-N D-W-EH1-N HH-IY1 D-IH0-S T-R-OY1-D DH-EH1-M DH-AH0 L-AO1-R D-W-IH1-L G-IH1-V DH-EH1 M-OW1 V-ER0 T-UW1 Y-UW1


according to every commandment which i've commanded again, you see that same the

AH0 K-AO1-R D-IH0-NG T-UW1 EH1 V-ER0 IY0 K-AH0 M-AE1-N D-M-AH0-N T-W-IH1 CH-AY1-V K-AH0 M-AE1-N D-AH0 D-AH0 G-EH1 N-Y-UW1 S-IY1 DH-AE1-T S-EY1-M DH-AH0


what does that tell you?


want to read you this really quick, because this is fun. remember?

W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 R-EH1 D-Y-UW1 DH-IH1 S-R-IH1 L-IY0 K-W-IH1-K B-IH0 K-AO1-Z DH-IH1 S-IH1-Z F-AH1 N-R-IH0 M-EH1-M B-ER0


and all his people and his life.

AH0-N D-AO1-L HH-IH1-Z P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AH0-N-D HH-IH1 Z-L-AY1-F


and we look again at what ephesians 6:10 says, "finally, my brethren..."

AH0-N D-W-IY1 L-UH1 K-AH0 G-EH1 N-AE1 T-W-AH1 T-IH0 F-IY1 ZH-AH0-N-Z S-IH1-K-S T-EH1-N S-EH1-Z F-AY1 N-AH0 L-IY0 M-AY1 B-R-EH1 DH-R-AH0-N


that's then amplified. and, this is the whole key.

TH-AE1-T-S DH-EH1 N-AE1-M P-L-AH0 F-AY2 D-AH0-N-D DH-IH1 S-IH1-Z DH-AH0 HH-OW1-L K-IY1


it's not the steps that do it.

IH1-T S-N-AA1-T DH-AH0-S T-EH1-P-S DH-AE1-T D-UW1 IH1-T


it says "we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers". and my dominion and all that.

IH1-T S-EH1 Z-W-IY1 R-EH1 S-AH0-L N-AA1 T-AH0 G-EH1-N-S-T F-L-EH1 SH-AH0-N-D B-L-AH1-D B-AH1 T-AH0 G-EH1-N-S-T P-R-IH2-N S-IH0 P-AE1 L-IH0 T-IY0 Z-AH0-N-D P-AW1 ER0 Z-AH0-N D-M-AY1 D-AH0 M-IH1 N-Y-AH0 N-AH0-N D-AO1-L DH-AE1-T


this wrestle thing, this wrestle, now i can't even.

DH-IH1 S-R-EH1 S-AH0-L TH-IH1-NG DH-IH1 S-R-EH1 S-AH0-L N-AW1 AY1 K-AE1-N T-IY1 V-IH0-N


wrong. i wish, it's good to stay strong.

R-AO1 NG-AY1 W-IH1 SH-IH1-T-S G-UH1-D T-UW1-S T-EY1-S T-R-AO1-NG


i mean i don't know what's going to happen all day long. i want to start out strong, so when the devil comes.

AY1 M-IY1 N-AY1 D-AA1-N T-N-OW1 W-AH0-T-S G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 HH-AE1 P-AH0 N-AO1-L D-EY1 L-AO1 NG-AY1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1-S T-AA1-R T-AW1-T-S T-R-AO1-NG S-OW1 W-EH1-N DH-AH0 D-EH1 V-AH0-L K-AH1-M-Z


it just became more impossible than ever. do you know what i'm saying?

IH1-T JH-AH1-S-T B-IH0 K-EY1-M M-AO1 R-IH0-M P-AA1 S-AH0 B-AH0-L DH-AE1 N-EH1 V-ER0 D-UW1 Y-UW1 N-OW1 W-AH1 T-IH1-M S-EY1 IH0-NG


dealing drugs, like going crazy. i mean

D-IY1 L-IH0-NG D-R-AH1-G Z-L-AY1-K G-OW1 IH0-NG K-R-EY1 Z-IY0 AY1 M-IY1-N


gotten strong in the lord. and i have got that armor on. let's just talk about the armor.

G-AA1 T-AH0-N-S T-R-AO1 NG-IH0-N DH-AH0 L-AO1-R D-AH0-N D-AY1 HH-AE1-V G-AA1-T DH-AE1 T-AA1-R M-ER0 AA1 N-L-EH1-T-S JH-AH1-S-T T-AO1 K-AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 AA1-R M-ER0


every single day, i don't think of it as like putting on the

EH1 V-ER0 IY0 S-IH1-NG G-AH0-L D-EY1 AY1 D-AA1-N-T TH-IH1-NG K-AH1 V-IH1 T-AE1 Z-L-AY1-K P-AH1 T-IH0 NG-AA1-N DH-AH0


entire message. so, we're working this entire, the spirit of the message of god into us,

IH0-N T-AY1 ER0 M-EH1 S-AH0-JH S-OW1 W-ER0 W-ER1 K-IH0-NG DH-IH1 S-IH0-N T-AY1 ER0 DH-AH0-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-AH1-V DH-AH0 M-EH1 S-AH0 JH-AH1-V G-AA1 D-IH0-N T-UW1 AH1-S


in a situation, and suddenly, because i know that story,

IH0 N-AH0 S-IH2 CH-UW0 EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N-D S-AH1 D-AH0 N-L-IY0 B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-AY1 N-OW1 DH-AE1-T-S T-AO1 R-IY0


that's how i appreciate this. that i'm holy and blameless and clean before you? i'm perfect before you? not because i earned it, but because jesus [inaudible 00:05:03] gave it to me as a gift, do you ever get tired of hearing that?

TH-AE1-T-S HH-AW1 AY1 AH0 P-R-IY1 SH-IY0 EY2-T DH-IH1-S DH-AE1 T-AY1 AE1-M HH-OW1 L-IY0 AH0-N-D B-L-EY1 M-L-AH0 S-AH0-N-D K-L-IY1-N B-IH0 F-AO1 R-Y-UW1 AY1 AE1-M P-ER1 F-IH2-K-T B-IH0 F-AO1 R-Y-UW1 N-AA1-T B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-AY1 ER1-N D-IH1-T B-AH1-T B-IH0 K-AO1-Z JH-IY1 Z-AH0 S-IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z F-AY1 V-M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D TH-R-IY1 S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D-Z G-EY1 V-IH1-T T-UW1 M-IY1 AE1 Z-AH0 G-IH1-F-T D-UW1 Y-UW1 EH1 V-ER0 G-EH1-T T-AY1 ER0 D-AH1-V HH-IY1 R-IH0-NG DH-AE1-T


so i walk in his presence and i walk in that power.

S-OW1 AY1 W-AO1 K-IH0-N HH-IH1-Z P-R-EH1 Z-AH0-N S-AH0-N D-AY1 W-AO1 K-IH0-N DH-AE1-T P-AW1 ER0


every time we go over it with strength, it strengthens us. we get stronger,

EH1 V-ER0 IY0 T-AY1 M-W-IY1 G-OW1 OW1 V-ER0 IH1 T-W-IH1-DH-S T-R-EH1-NG-K TH-IH1-T-S T-R-EH1-NG TH-AH0-N Z-AH1 S-W-IY1 G-EH1-T-S T-R-AO1 NG-ER0


for example, the word of god in

F-AO1 R-IH0-G Z-AE1-M P-AH0-L DH-AH0 W-ER1 D-AH1-V G-AA1 D-IH0-N


well you didn't deserve it. this thing, you didn't do this right, and if you hadn't done that, if you'd

W-EH1 L-Y-UW1 D-IH1 D-AH0-N-T D-IH0 Z-ER1 V-IH1-T DH-IH1-S TH-IH1 NG-Y-UW1 D-IH1 D-AH0-N-T D-UW1 DH-IH1 S-R-AY1 T-AH0-N D-IH1 F-Y-UW1 HH-AE1 D-AH0-N-T D-AH1-N DH-AE1 T-IH1 F-Y-AH1-D


we'll take our faith and go.

W-EH1-L T-EY1 K-AW1 ER0 F-EY1 TH-AH0-N-D G-OW1


get out of here fiery dart.

G-EH1 T-AW1 T-AH1-V HH-IY1-R F-AY1 ER0 IY0 D-AA1-R-T


but that's not what that requires. it requires righteousness, and that is by grace through faith and bless god i have it.

B-AH1-T TH-AE1-T S-N-AA1 T-W-AH1-T DH-AE1 T-R-IY0 K-W-AY1 ER0 Z-IH1 T-R-IY0 K-W-AY1 ER0 Z-R-AY1 CH-AH0 S-N-AH0 S-AH0-N-D DH-AE1 T-IH1-Z B-AY1 G-R-EY1-S TH-R-UW1 F-EY1 TH-AH0-N-D B-L-EH1-S G-AA1 D-AY1 HH-AE1 V-IH1-T


and so then all that's leading up to, and see lot of times we read the armor [inaudible 00:05:52], like god, i'm all dressed up.

AH0-N-D S-OW1 DH-EH1 N-AO1-L TH-AE1-T S-L-IY1 D-IH0 NG-AH1-P T-UW1 AH0-N-D S-IY1 L-AA1 T-AH1-V T-AY1-M Z-W-IY1 R-EH1-D DH-AH0 AA1-R M-ER0 IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z F-AY1 V-M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D F-IH1-F T-IY0 T-UW1 S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-L-AY1-K G-AA1 D-AY1 AE1 M-AO1-L D-R-EH1-S T-AH1-P


and nowhere to go. all dressed up because it does not end with, take the shield of faith.

AH0-N D-N-OW1 W-EH2-R T-UW1 G-OW1 AO1-L D-R-EH1-S T-AH1-P B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-IH1-T D-AH1 Z-N-AA1 T-EH1-N D-W-IH1-DH T-EY1-K DH-AH0 SH-IY1-L D-AH1-V F-EY1-TH


watchful to this end. okay. watching over what needs to be prayed for.

W-AA1-CH F-AH0-L T-UW1 DH-IH1 S-EH1-N D-OW2 K-EY1 W-AA1 CH-IH0 NG-OW1 V-ER0 W-AH1 T-N-IY1-D-Z T-UW1 B-IY1 P-R-EY1-D F-AO1-R


not all moms are in this situation

N-AA1 T-AO1-L M-AA1-M Z-AA1 R-IH0-N DH-IH1-S S-IH2 CH-UW0 EY1 SH-AH0-N


so i kept standing on the word.

S-OW1 AY1 K-EH1-P-T-S T-AE1-N D-IH0 NG-AA1-N DH-AH0 W-ER1-D


that when you get all your armor on and when we learn to more,

DH-AE1 T-W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 G-EH1 T-AO1 L-Y-AO1 R-AA1-R M-ER0 AA1 N-AH0-N D-W-EH1 N-W-IY1 L-ER1-N T-UW1 M-AO1-R


will not do it for you, but when you really commit yourself to something and when you get the attitude, like the israelites did about aug.

W-IH1-L N-AA1-T D-UW1 IH1-T F-AO1 R-Y-UW1 B-AH1 T-W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 R-IH1 L-IY0 K-AH0 M-IH1 T-Y-ER0 S-EH1-L-F T-UW1 S-AH1-M TH-IH0 NG-AH0-N D-W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 G-EH1-T DH-AH0 AE1 T-AH0 T-UW2 D-L-AY1-K DH-AH0 IH1 Z-R-AH0 L-AY2-T-S D-IH1 D-AH0 B-AW1 T-AO1 G-AH0-S-T


and i'm coming home, driving from taking my daughter to school one day.

AH0-N D-IH1-M K-AH1 M-IH0-NG HH-OW1-M D-R-AY1 V-IH0-NG F-R-AH1-M T-EY1 K-IH0-NG M-AY1 D-AO1 T-ER0 T-UW1-S K-UW1 L-W-AH1-N D-EY1


i'm saying, but it was time. it was time to deal with that thing.

IH1-M S-EY1 IH0-NG B-AH1 T-IH1 T-W-AA1-Z T-AY1 M-IH1 T-W-AA1-Z T-AY1-M T-UW1 D-IY1 L-W-IH1-DH DH-AE1-T TH-IH1-NG


i was like velvet on the inside

AY1 W-AA1 Z-L-AY1-K V-EH1-L V-AH0 T-AA1-N DH-AH0 IH0-N S-AY1-D


it was the reality in my spirit.

IH1 T-W-AA1-Z DH-AH0 R-IY0 AE1 L-AH0 T-IY0 IH0-N M-AY1-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T


i get a call first thing in the morning. this is my

AY1 G-EH1 T-AH0 K-AO1-L F-ER1-S-T TH-IH1 NG-IH0-N DH-AH0 M-AO1-R N-IH0-NG DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-M-AY1


the lord, the glory of god was in the room.

DH-AH0 L-AO1-R-D DH-AH0 G-L-AO1 R-IY0 AH1-V G-AA1 D-W-AA1 Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 R-UW1-M


so he came home, actually

S-OW1 HH-IY1 K-EY1-M HH-OW1 M-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0


come on we're going go wake him up,

K-AH1 M-AA1 N-W-ER0 G-OW1 IH0-NG G-OW1 W-EY1-K HH-IH1 M-AH1-P


how many of you want to plug into some power? praise the lord. so i want to ask you if you don't mind

HH-AW1 M-EH1 N-IY0 AH1 V-Y-UW1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 P-L-AH1 G-IH0-N T-UW1 S-AH1-M P-AW1 ER0 P-R-EY1-Z DH-AH0 L-AO1-R-D S-OW1 AY1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 AE1-S K-Y-UW1 IH1 F-Y-UW1 D-AA1-N T-M-AY1-N-D


and my church teaches


that if you are saved, if you're

DH-AE1 T-IH1 F-Y-UW1 AA1-R S-EY1-V D-IH1 F-Y-UH1-R


and for a little while, and then it's going to be kind of interactive, because we're going to look at that at the baptism of

AH0-N-D F-AO1 R-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0 L-W-AY1 L-AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-IH1-T-S G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 B-IY1 K-AY1-N D-AH1 V-IH2-N T-ER0 AE1-K T-IH0-V B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-W-ER0 G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 L-UH1 K-AE1-T DH-AE1 T-AE1-T DH-AH0 B-AE1-P T-IH0 Z-AH0 M-AH1-V


the power in my life, but they

DH-AH0 P-AW1 ER0 IH0-N M-AY1 L-AY1-F B-AH1-T DH-EY1


and they were teachers in that denomination. and they knew the scriptures.

AH0-N-D DH-EY1 W-ER0 T-IY1 CH-ER0 Z-IH0-N DH-AE1-T D-IH0 N-AO2 M-AH0 N-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N-D DH-EY1 N-UW1 DH-AH0-S K-R-IH1-P CH-ER0-Z


i got healed. and somebody could see that you got the baptism of the holy spirit. they could see that

AY1 G-AA1-T HH-IY1-L D-AH0-N-D S-AH1-M B-AA2 D-IY0 K-UH1-D S-IY1 DH-AE1 T-Y-UW1 G-AA1-T DH-AH0 B-AE1-P T-IH0 Z-AH0 M-AH1-V DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T DH-EY1 K-UH1-D S-IY1 DH-AE1-T


because what does faith come? does faith come from somebody else's experience?

B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-W-AH1-T D-AH1-Z F-EY1-TH K-AH1-M D-AH1-Z F-EY1-TH K-AH1-M F-R-AH1-M S-AH1-M B-AA2 D-IY0 EH1-L S-IH0 Z-IH0-K-S P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-N-S


caught it for like 35,

K-AA1 T-IH1-T F-AO1-R L-AY1-K TH-ER1 D-IY0 F-AY1-V


lot of people. and then i found this as denominational people more and more

L-AA1 T-AH1-V P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-AY1 F-AW1-N-D DH-IH1 S-AE1-Z D-IH0 N-AO2 M-AH0 N-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L P-IY1 P-AH0-L M-AO1 R-AH0-N D-M-AO1-R


things such as a gift of other tongues. yes, we let our missionaries to do it on the mission field. there's one

TH-IH1-NG-Z S-AH1 CH-AE1 Z-AH0 G-IH1-F T-AH1 V-AH1 DH-ER0 T-AH1-NG Z-Y-EH1 S-W-IY1 L-EH1 T-AW1 ER0 M-IH1 SH-AH0 N-EH2 R-IY0-Z T-UW1 D-UW1 IH1 T-AA1-N DH-AH0 M-IH1 SH-AH0-N F-IY1-L-D DH-EH1-R Z-W-AH1-N


but they struggle with, is it for all?

B-AH1-T DH-EY1-S T-R-AH1 G-AH0 L-W-IH1 DH-IH1 Z-IH1-T F-AO1 R-AO1-L


as to this, john answered

AE1-Z T-UW1 DH-IH1-S JH-AA1 N-AE1-N S-ER0-D


they are children of god. really interesting differentiation there.

DH-EY1 AA1-R CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0 N-AH1-V G-AA1 D-R-IH1 L-IY0 IH1-N T-R-AH0-S T-IH0-NG D-IH0 F-ER0 EH2-N SH-IY0 EY1 SH-AH0-N DH-EH1-R


going to have the witness of the spirit in them. and i brought

G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 HH-AE1-V DH-AH0 W-IH1 T-N-AH0 S-AH1-V DH-AH0-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-IH0-N DH-EH1 M-AH0-N D-AY1 B-R-AO1-T


i'm saying that this is, this glass would be us, would represent us. and i want you to think of the outside of it as being your body. okay.

IH1-M S-EY1 IH0-NG DH-AE1-T DH-IH1 S-IH1-Z DH-IH1-S G-L-AE1 S-W-UH1-D B-IY1 AH1 S-W-UH1 D-R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AH1 S-AH0-N D-AY1 W-AA1-N T-Y-UW1 T-UW1 TH-IH1-NG K-AH1-V DH-AH0 AW1-T S-AY1 D-AH1 V-IH1 T-AE1-Z B-IY1 IH0 NG-Y-AO1-R B-AA1 D-IY0 OW2 K-EY1


he's bearing witness in your spirit.

HH-IY1-Z B-EH1 R-IH0 NG-W-IH1 T-N-AH0 S-IH0 N-Y-AO1-R-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T


look on the word and see

L-UH1 K-AA1-N DH-AH0 W-ER1 D-AH0-N-D S-IY1


how the word shows us.


even though he wasn't having to repent of anything because he was the prototype.

IY1 V-IH0-N DH-OW1 HH-IY1 W-AO1-S-T HH-AE1 V-IH0-NG T-UW1 R-IH0 P-EH1-N T-AH1 V-EH1 N-IY0 TH-IH2-NG B-IH0 K-AO1-Z HH-IY1 W-AA1-Z DH-AH0 P-R-OW1 T-AH0 T-AY2-P


and he was setting the example. so he got baptized

AH0-N-D HH-IY1 W-AA1-Z S-EH1 T-IH0-NG DH-AH0 IH0-G Z-AE1-M P-AH0-L S-OW1 HH-IY1 G-AA1-T B-AE0-P T-AY1-Z-D


settled down on him like a dove does. settles on something. so we know is on him. so, and we know that, that's the terminology you used for the holy spirit

S-EH1 T-AH0-L-D D-AW1 N-AA1-N HH-IH1 M-L-AY1 K-AH0 D-AH1-V D-AH1-Z S-EH1 T-AH0-L Z-AA1-N S-AH1-M TH-IH0-NG S-OW1 W-IY1 N-OW1 IH1 Z-AA1-N HH-IH1-M S-OW1 AH0-N D-W-IY1 N-OW1 DH-AE1-T TH-AE1-T-S DH-AH0 T-ER2 M-IH0 N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0 Y-UW1 Y-UW1-S-T F-AO1-R DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T


he'll receive power when the holy ghost comes upon you. and yeah,

HH-EH1-L R-AH0 S-IY1-V P-AW1 ER0 W-EH1-N DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0 G-OW1-S-T K-AH1-M Z-AH0 P-AA1 N-Y-UW1 AH0-N D-Y-AE1


it sounds like two different things, because a feeling is inside, right?

IH1-T S-AW1-N-D Z-L-AY1-K T-UW1 D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N-T TH-IH1-NG-Z B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-AH0 F-IY1 L-IH0 NG-IH1 Z-IH0-N S-AY1 D-R-AY1-T


it's about 19. i just gave her-

IH1-T S-AH0 B-AW1 T-N-AY1-N T-IY1 N-AY1 JH-AH1-S-T G-EY1-V HH-ER0


...dead. and after that happened, then we read in john.

D-EH1 D-AH0-N D-AE1-F T-ER0 DH-AE1-T HH-AE1 P-AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-W-IY1 R-EH1 D-IH0-N JH-AA1-N


and when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them receive the holy spirit.

AH0-N D-W-EH1-N HH-IY1 HH-AE1-D S-EH1-D DH-IH1-S HH-IY1 B-R-IY1-DH D-AA1-N DH-EH1 M-AH0-N-D S-EH1-D T-UW1 DH-EH1 M-R-AH0 S-IY1-V DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T


in those days and they shall prophesize. and he now show signs and wonders in heaven above and signs in the earth beneath. and it's hard to not to read all those 'cause it's so good.

IH0-N DH-OW1-Z D-EY1 Z-AH0-N-D DH-EY1 SH-AE1-L P-R-AA1 F-AH0 S-AY2 Z-AH0-N-D HH-IY1 N-AW1 SH-OW1 S-AY1-N Z-AH0-N D-W-AH1-N D-ER0 Z-IH0-N HH-EH1 V-AH0 N-AH0 B-AH1 V-AH0-N-D S-AY1-N Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 ER1-TH B-IH0 N-IY1 TH-AH0-N D-IH1-T-S HH-AA1-R-D T-UW1 N-AA1-T T-UW1 R-EH1 D-AO1-L DH-OW1-Z K-AA1 Z-IH1-T-S S-OW1 G-UH1-D


and the road to damascus, y'all know that story? and he was on-

AH0-N-D DH-AH0 R-OW1-D T-UW1 D-AH0 M-AE1-S K-AH0 S-Y-AO1-L N-OW1 DH-AE1-T-S T-AO1 R-IY0 AH0-N-D HH-IY1 W-AA1 Z-AA1-N


it's actually cornelius and i forgot to put him in here at cornelius's house, but we'll just, you know that-

IH1-T S-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 K-AO0-R N-IY1 L-Y-AH0 S-AH0-N D-AY1 F-ER0 G-AA1-T T-UW1 P-UH1-T HH-IH1 M-IH0-N HH-IY1 R-AE1-T K-AO1-R N-AH0 L-AH0-S HH-AW1-S B-AH1 T-W-EH1-L JH-AH1-S T-Y-UW1 N-OW1 DH-AE1-T


nobody laid hands on him, nothing. which the holy spirit had to do it that way because-

N-OW1 B-AA2 D-IY2 L-EY1-D HH-AE1-N-D Z-AA1-N HH-IH1-M N-AH1 TH-IH0 NG-W-IH1-CH DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T HH-AE1-D T-UW1 D-UW1 IH1-T DH-AE1 T-W-EY1 B-IH0 K-AO1-Z


they weren't exactly believers at the time, they were disciples of john in ephesus. and so-

DH-EY1 W-EH1 R-AH0-N T-IH0-G Z-AE1-K T-L-IY0 B-AH0 L-IY1 V-ER0 Z-AE1-T DH-AH0 T-AY1-M DH-EY1 W-ER0 D-IH0 S-AY1 P-AH0-L Z-AH1-V JH-AA1 N-IH0 N-IH0 F-EH1 S-AH0 S-AH0 S-AH0-N-D S-OW1


when we got the baptism of the holy spirit and all we know that-

W-EH1 N-W-IY1 G-AA1-T DH-AH0 B-AE1-P T-IH0 Z-AH0 M-AH1-V DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-AH0-N D-AO1 L-W-IY1 N-OW1 DH-AE1-T


...power when the holy spirit comes upon you. so that word is a wonderful word.

P-AW1 ER0 W-EH1-N DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T K-AH1-M Z-AH0 P-AA1 N-Y-UW1 S-OW1 DH-AE1 T-W-ER1 D-IH1 Z-AH0 W-AH1-N D-ER0 F-AH0 L-W-ER1-D


clothed upon him. you notice in our water, example that when we overflowed this water, that glass was clothed in water. wasn't it. see how-

K-L-OW1-DH D-AH0 P-AA1-N HH-IH1 M-Y-UW1 N-OW1 T-AH0 S-IH0 N-AW1 ER0 W-AO1 T-ER0 IH0-G Z-AE1-M P-AH0-L DH-AE1 T-W-EH1 N-W-IY1 OW2 V-ER0 F-L-OW1-D DH-IH1 S-W-AO1 T-ER0 DH-AE1-T G-L-AE1 S-W-AA1-Z K-L-OW1-DH D-IH0 N-W-AO1 T-ER0 W-AO1-S T-IH1-T S-IY1 HH-AW1


... had to share this with you. i'm just-

HH-AE1-D T-UW1 SH-EH1-R DH-IH1 S-W-IH1 DH-Y-UW1 IH1-M JH-AH1-S-T


sometimes spirit and soul are so close together that it's hard to know sometimes which word to use.

S-AH0-M T-AY1-M-Z-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-AH0-N-D S-OW1 L-AA1-R S-OW1 K-L-OW1-S T-AH0 G-EH1 DH-ER0 DH-AE1 T-IH1-T-S HH-AA1-R-D T-UW1 N-OW1 S-AH0-M T-AY1-M Z-W-IH1 CH-W-ER1-D T-UW1 Y-UW1-Z


so true. well, the picture is worth a thousand words and i just go, "oh wow."

S-OW1 T-R-UW1 W-EH1-L DH-AH0 P-IH1-K CH-ER0 IH1 Z-W-ER1 TH-AH0 TH-AW1 Z-AH0-N D-W-ER1-D Z-AH0-N D-AY1 JH-AH1-S-T G-OW1 OW1 W-AW1


a picture. but i didn't have that kind of sight before i was baptized with the holy spirit.

AH0 P-IH1-K CH-ER0 B-AH1 T-AY1 D-IH1 D-AH0-N-T HH-AE1-V DH-AE1-T K-AY1-N D-AH1-V S-AY1-T B-IH0 F-AO1 R-AY1 W-AA1-Z B-AE0-P T-AY1-Z D-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T


...hear his voice so clear in my soul.

HH-IY1-R HH-IH1-Z V-OY1-S S-OW1 K-L-IH1 R-IH0-N M-AY1 S-OW1-L


even though i live in just terrible-

IY1 V-IH0-N DH-OW1 AY1 L-AY1 V-IH0-N JH-AH1-S-T T-EH1 R-AH0 B-AH0-L


the spirit receive a debt, him-

DH-AH0-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-R-AH0 S-IY1 V-AH0 D-EH1-T HH-IH1-M


eat at my desk. and as i turned on the car, i heard a-

IY1 T-AE1 T-M-AY1 D-EH1-S K-AH0-N D-AE1 Z-AY1 T-ER1-N D-AA1-N DH-AH0 K-AA1 R-AY1 HH-ER1 D-AH0


and the fact that he would talk to me about the fork in my sac.

AH0-N-D DH-AH0 F-AE1-K-T DH-AE1-T HH-IY1 W-UH1-D T-AO1-K T-UW1 M-IY1 AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 F-AO1-R K-IH0-N M-AY1 S-AE1-K


that he was not just interested and making me super holy, which he is that.

DH-AE1-T HH-IY1 W-AA1 Z-N-AA1-T JH-AH1-S T-IH1-N T-R-AH0-S T-AH0 D-AH0-N D-M-EY1 K-IH0-NG M-IY1 S-UW1 P-ER0 HH-OW1 L-IY0 W-IH1-CH HH-IY1 IH1-Z DH-AE1-T


he will start with some things that don't matter.

HH-IY1 W-IH1-L-S T-AA1-R T-W-IH1-DH S-AH1-M TH-IH1-NG-Z DH-AE1-T D-AA1-N T-M-AE1 T-ER0


but you know, when god had fallen off his throne, it wouldn't hurt anything if i missed-

B-AH1 T-Y-UW1 N-OW1 W-EH1-N G-AA1-D HH-AE1-D F-AA1 L-AH0 N-AO1-F HH-IH1-Z TH-R-OW1 N-IH1 T-W-UH1 D-L-AH0-N-T HH-ER1 T-EH1 N-IY0 TH-IH2 NG-IH1 F-AY1 M-IH1-S-T


...anything by faith. and nobody had ever taught me that. but i knew-

EH1 N-IY0 TH-IH2-NG B-AY1 F-EY1 TH-AH0-N D-N-OW1 B-AA2 D-IY2 HH-AE1 D-EH1 V-ER0 T-AO1 T-M-IY1 DH-AE1-T B-AH1 T-AY1 N-UW1


and so i went to the lord and-

AH0-N-D S-OW1 AY1 W-EH1-N-T T-UW1 DH-AH0 L-AO1-R D-AH0-N-D


now, i've heard people say this since then.

N-AW1 AY1-V HH-ER1-D P-IY1 P-AH0-L S-EY1 DH-IH1-S S-IH1-N-S DH-EH1-N


it just crazy to me. i didn't know about-

IH1-T JH-AH1-S-T K-R-EY1 Z-IY0 T-UW1 M-IY1 AY1 D-IH1 D-AH0-N T-N-OW1 AH0 B-AW1-T


i had quit, but you want to know what kind of a good helper that he is? i just have-

AY1 HH-AE1-D K-W-IH1-T B-AH1 T-Y-UW1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 N-OW1 W-AH1-T K-AY1-N D-AH1 V-AH0 G-UH1-D HH-EH1-L P-ER0 DH-AE1-T HH-IY1 IH1 Z-AY1 JH-AH1-S-T HH-AE1-V


that if the spirit are giving me a rise christ from the dead dwells in you. he will-

DH-AE1 T-IH1-F DH-AH0-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-AA1-R G-IH1 V-IH0-NG M-IY1 AH0 R-AY1-Z K-R-AY1-S-T F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 D-EH1-D D-W-EH1-L Z-IH0 N-Y-UW1 HH-IY1 W-IH1-L


...with him. i thought about... i just have to tell you this really quick-

W-IH1-DH HH-IH1 M-AY1 TH-AO1 T-AH0 B-AW1 T-AY1 JH-AH1-S-T HH-AE1-V T-UW1 T-EH1 L-Y-UW1 DH-IH1 S-R-IH1 L-IY0 K-W-IH1-K


but i had a spirit of anger. some people are-

B-AH1 T-AY1 HH-AE1 D-AH0-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-AH1 V-AE1-NG G-ER0 S-AH1-M P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AA1-R


i was angry and couldn't explain it. but the holy spirit told me-

AY1 W-AA1 Z-AE1-NG G-R-IY0 AH0-N-D K-AW1-L D-AH0-N T-IH0-K-S P-L-EY1 N-IH1-T B-AH1-T DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T T-OW1-L D-M-IY1


...how to deal with that, how to resist it, how to you know and i-

HH-AW1 T-UW1 D-IY1 L-W-IH1-DH DH-AE1-T HH-AW1 T-UW1 R-IH0 Z-IH1-S T-IH1-T HH-AW1 T-UW1 Y-UW1 N-OW1 AH0-N D-AY1


he didn't have somebody lay hands on me.

HH-IY1 D-IH1 D-AH0-N-T HH-AE1-V S-AH1-M B-AA2 D-IY0 L-EY1 HH-AE1-N-D Z-AA1-N M-IY1


because we can be born again and even filled with the holy spirit and-

B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-W-IY1 K-AE1-N B-IY1 B-AO1-R N-AH0 G-EH1 N-AH0-N D-IY1 V-IH0-N F-IH1-L D-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0 T-AH0-N-D


but he said, "my little children,"

B-AH1-T HH-IY1 S-EH1 D-M-AY1 L-IH1 T-AH0-L CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0-N


then they were born again, baptized in the holy spirit that we're falling. they are falling so far short yet-

DH-EH1-N DH-EY1 W-ER0 B-AO1-R N-AH0 G-EH1-N B-AE0-P T-AY1-Z D-IH0-N DH-AH0 HH-OW1 L-IY0-S P-IH1 R-AH0-T DH-AE1 T-W-ER0 F-AA1 L-IH0-NG DH-EY1 AA1-R F-AA1 L-IH0-NG S-OW1 F-AA1-R SH-AO1-R T-Y-EH1-T


ans so if we are not thinking about it and we are not believing for it-

AE1-N-Z S-OW1 IH1 F-W-IY1 AA1-R N-AA1-T TH-IH1-NG K-IH0 NG-AH0 B-AW1 T-IH1 T-AH0-N D-W-IY1 AA1-R N-AA1-T B-IH0 L-IY1 V-IH0-NG F-AO1 R-IH1-T


we pray in other tongues. it's like we are tapping into that power. and that says in jude, that we pray and when we pray in other tongue-

W-IY1 P-R-EY1 IH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 T-AH1-NG Z-IH1-T S-L-AY1 K-W-IY1 AA1-R T-AE1 P-IH0 NG-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AE1-T P-AW1 ER0 AH0-N-D DH-AE1-T S-EH1 Z-IH0-N JH-UW1-D DH-AE1 T-W-IY1 P-R-EY1 AH0-N D-W-EH1 N-W-IY1 P-R-EY1 IH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 T-AH1-NG


...thing without a purpose. and he said, when-

TH-IH1 NG-W-IH0 TH-AW1 T-AH0 P-ER1 P-AH0 S-AH0-N-D HH-IY1 S-EH1 D-W-EH1-N


he says, she's assessed too.

HH-IY1 S-EH1-Z SH-EH1 S-AH0 S-EH1-S-T T-UW1


and we saw last week, i could pre-

AH0-N D-W-IY1 S-AO1 L-AE1-S T-W-IY1 K-AY1 K-UH1-D P-R-IY1


tonight, but we saw last week-

T-AH0 N-AY1-T B-AH1 T-W-IY1 S-AO1 L-AE1-S T-W-IY1-K


...we see him, the more ways we see him, the more often-

W-IY1 S-IY1 HH-IH1-M DH-AH0 M-AO1 R-W-EY1 Z-W-IY1 S-IY1 HH-IH1-M DH-AH0 M-AO1 R-AO1 F-AH0-N


beholding jesus is believing.

B-IH0 HH-OW1-L D-IH0-NG JH-IY1 Z-AH0 S-IH1-Z B-IH0 L-IY1 V-IH0-NG


...then that, which he had for them manifested in their bodies.

DH-EH1-N DH-AE1 T-W-IH1-CH HH-IY1 HH-AE1-D F-AO1-R DH-EH1-M M-AE1 N-AH0 F-EH2-S T-AH0 D-IH0-N DH-EH1-R B-AA1 D-IY0-Z


i want to be changed even while i'm ministering. if we can get this, i will-

AY1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 B-IY1 CH-EY1-N-JH D-IY1 V-IH0 N-W-AY1 L-IH1-M M-IH1 N-IH0-S T-R-IH0 NG-IH1 F-W-IY1 K-AE1-N G-EH1-T DH-IH1 S-AY1 W-IH1-L


he said, "well, how do you see jesus when you look at him?" and i said, "i see him like he is in the gospels." and the lord said-

HH-IY1 S-EH1 D-W-EH1-L HH-AW1 D-UW1 Y-UW1 S-IY1 JH-IY1 Z-AH0 S-W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 L-UH1 K-AE1-T HH-IH1 M-AH0-N D-AY1 S-EH1 D-AY1 S-IY1 HH-IH1 M-L-AY1-K HH-IY1 IH1 Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 G-AA1-S P-AH0-L Z-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 L-AO1-R-D S-EH1-D


it's just it's like a blinding white light.

IH1-T-S JH-AH1-S T-IH1-T S-L-AY1 K-AH0 B-L-AY1-N D-IH0 NG-W-AY1 T-L-AY1-T


you're on the right side of him.

Y-UH1 R-AA1-N DH-AH0 R-AY1-T S-AY1 D-AH1-V HH-IH1-M


so if somebody is asking us-

S-OW1 IH1-F S-AH1-M B-AA2 D-IY0 IH1 Z-AE1-S K-IH0 NG-AH1-S


...him, i'm being changed into that same-

HH-IH1 M-IH1-M B-IY1 IH0-NG CH-EY1-N-JH D-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AE1-T S-EY1-M


some visitations of the lord-

S-AH1-M V-IH2 Z-AH0 T-EY1 SH-AH0-N Z-AH1-V DH-AH0 L-AO1-R-D


...kind of idea and the church that that would be unrealistic.

K-AY1-N D-AH1 V-AY0 D-IY1 AH0 AH0-N-D DH-AH0 CH-ER1-CH DH-AE1-T DH-AE1 T-W-UH1-D B-IY1 AH0 N-R-IY2 L-IH1-S T-IH0-K


and i'll tell you, that's one of the most dissatisfying things. i think in our current christian climate to some degree is that-

AH0-N D-IH1-L T-EH1 L-Y-UW1 TH-AE1-T S-W-AH1 N-AH1-V DH-AH0 M-OW1-S-T D-IH0 S-AE1 T-AH0-S F-AY2 IH0-NG TH-IH1-NG Z-AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-IH0 N-AW1 ER0 K-ER1 AH0-N-T K-R-IH1-S CH-AH0-N K-L-AY1 M-AH0-T T-UW1 S-AH1-M D-IH0 G-R-IY1 IH1-Z DH-AE1-T


one faith, one lord.


...to a just change, i would be happy. right?right.

T-UW1 AH0 JH-AH1-S-T CH-EY1-N JH-AY1 W-UH1-D B-IY1 HH-AE1 P-IY0 R-AY1 T-R-AY2-T


james once says, count it all joy-

JH-EY1-M Z-W-AH1-N-S S-EH1-Z K-AW1-N T-IH1 T-AO1-L JH-OY1


praise the lord. so let's look at scriptures because i've-

P-R-EY1-Z DH-AH0 L-AO1-R-D S-OW1 L-EH1-T S-L-UH1 K-AE1-T-S K-R-IH1-P CH-ER0-Z B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-AY1-V


and then that would see us at the restaurant, show it to you and out the waiter because the tea was cold or hot or whatever.

AH0-N-D DH-EH1-N DH-AE1 T-W-UH1-D S-IY1 AH1 S-AE1-T DH-AH0 R-EH1-S T-ER0 AA2-N-T SH-OW1 IH1-T T-UW1 Y-UW1 AH0-N D-AW1-T DH-AH0 W-EY1 T-ER0 B-IH0 K-AO1-Z DH-AH0 T-IY1 W-AA1-Z K-OW1-L D-AO1-R HH-AA1 T-AO1 R-W-AH2 T-EH1 V-ER0


...is who ministered power to them, ministered-

IH1-Z HH-UW1 M-IH1 N-IH0-S T-ER0-D P-AW1 ER0 T-UW1 DH-EH1-M M-IH1 N-IH0-S T-ER0-D


it's me and jesus and microsoft word. we can be changed and transformed. so let's read this script-

IH1-T S-M-IY1 AH0-N-D JH-IY1 Z-AH0 S-AH0-N D-M-AY1 K-R-OW2 S-AO1-F T-W-ER1 D-W-IY1 K-AE1-N B-IY1 CH-EY1-N-JH D-AH0-N-D T-R-AE0-N-S F-AO1-R-M-D S-OW1 L-EH1-T S-R-EH1-D DH-IH1-S-S K-R-IH1-P-T


...whole church to be transformed into the image of christ.

HH-OW1-L CH-ER1-CH T-UW1 B-IY1 T-R-AE0-N-S F-AO1-R-M D-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AH0 IH1 M-AH0 JH-AH1-V K-R-AY1-S-T


christ's own perfection. the measure of the stature of the fullness of christ and the completeness found in him.

K-R-IH1-S-T S-OW1-N P-ER0 F-EH1-K SH-AH0-N DH-AH0 M-EH1 ZH-ER0 AH1-V DH-AH0-S T-AE1 CH-ER0 AH1-V DH-AH0 F-UH1-L N-AH0 S-AH1-V K-R-AY1-S T-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 K-AH0-M P-L-IY1 T-N-AH0-S F-AW1-N D-IH0-N HH-IH1-M


you know, we read in colossians-

Y-UW1 N-OW1 W-IY1 R-EH1 D-IH0-N K-AH0 L-OW1 SH-AH0-N-Z


...they were born again. they were starting-

DH-EY1 W-ER0 B-AO1-R N-AH0 G-EH1-N DH-EY1 W-ER0-S T-AA1-R T-IH0-NG


..things i have to do or whatever. i'm telling you-

TH-IH1-NG Z-AY1 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 D-UW1 AO1 R-W-AH2 T-EH1 V-ER0 IH1-M T-EH1 L-IH0 NG-Y-UW1


...make it your calling to pursue and be transformed into the image of-

M-EY1 K-IH1 T-Y-AO1-R K-AO1 L-IH0-NG T-UW1 P-ER0 S-UW1 AH0-N-D B-IY1 T-R-AE0-N-S F-AO1-R-M D-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AH0 IH1 M-AH0 JH-AH1-V


his name is henry mclaughlin and he has been a partner with our ministry for years and a good friend of ours.

HH-IH1 Z-N-EY1 M-IH1-Z HH-EH1 N-R-IY0 M-AH0 G-L-AA1 K-L-AH0 N-AH0-N-D HH-IY1 HH-AE1-Z B-IH1 N-AH0 P-AA1-R T-N-ER0 W-IH1 DH-AW1 ER0 M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-R-IY0 F-AO1 R-Y-IH1-R Z-AH0-N D-AH0 G-UH1-D F-R-EH1-N D-AH1 V-AW1 ER0-Z


the other thing that i think sometimes-

DH-AH0 AH1 DH-ER0 TH-IH1-NG DH-AE1 T-AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K S-AH0-M T-AY1-M-Z


...and as long as we are endeavoring to move towards him, okay. i want you to imagine for a moment, a little toddler-

AH0-N D-AE1 Z-L-AO1 NG-AE1 Z-W-IY1 AA1 R-IH0-N D-EH1 V-ER0 IH0-NG T-UW1 M-UW1-V T-AH0 W-AO1-R-D-Z HH-IH1 M-OW2 K-EY1 AY1 W-AA1-N T-Y-UW1 T-UW1 IH0 M-AE1 JH-AH0-N F-AO1 R-AH0 M-OW1 M-AH0-N T-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L T-AA1 D-L-ER0


"come this way, come this way." but he turned his form and we mess up and he goes, "don't-

K-AH1-M DH-IH1 S-W-EY1 K-AH1-M DH-IH1 S-W-EY1 B-AH1-T HH-IY1 T-ER1-N-D HH-IH1-Z F-AO1-R M-AH0-N D-W-IY1 M-EH1 S-AH1 P-AH0-N-D HH-IY1 G-OW1-Z D-AA1-N-T


okay. when jesus either returns or we slip out of this body and we go to heaven.

OW2 K-EY1 W-EH1-N JH-IY1 Z-AH0 S-IY1 DH-ER0 R-IH0 T-ER1-N Z-AO1 R-W-IY1 S-L-IH1 P-AW1 T-AH1-V DH-IH1-S B-AA1 D-IY0 AH0-N D-W-IY1 G-OW1 T-UW1 HH-EH1 V-AH0-N


we will be like him.


guess what? all of us are going to be declared the winner.

G-EH1 S-W-AH1 T-AO1 L-AH1 V-AH1 S-AA1-R G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 B-IY1 D-IH0 K-L-EH1-R-D DH-AH0 W-IH1 N-ER0


if we were running the race.amen.

IH1 F-W-IY1 W-ER0 R-AH1 N-IH0-NG DH-AH0 R-EY1 S-M-IY2-N


he strengthens us. so that's the one aspect that we're looking at. but the second aspect that we're looking at-

HH-IY1-S T-R-EH1-NG TH-AH0-N Z-AH1-S S-OW1 TH-AE1-T-S DH-AH0 W-AH1 N-AE1-S P-EH2-K-T DH-AE1 T-W-ER0 L-UH1 K-IH0 NG-AE1-T B-AH1-T DH-AH0 S-EH1 K-AH0-N D-AE1-S P-EH2-K-T DH-AE1 T-W-ER0 L-UH1 K-IH0 NG-AE1-T


...and depth and height to know the love of christ-

AH0-N-D D-EH1-P TH-AH0-N-D HH-AY1-T T-UW1 N-OW1 DH-AH0 L-AH1 V-AH1-V K-R-AY1-S-T


that means no by experience.

DH-AE1 T-M-IY1-N Z-N-OW1 B-AY1 IH0-K-S P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-N-S


now to him who is able to do exceedingly, abundantly. above all that, we ask her-

N-AW1 T-UW1 HH-IH1-M HH-UW1 IH1 Z-EY1 B-AH0-L T-UW1 D-UW1 IH0-K S-IY1 D-IH0 NG-L-IY0 AH0 B-AH1-N D-AH0-N T-L-IY0 AH0 B-AH1 V-AO1-L DH-AE1 T-W-IY1 AE1-S-K HH-ER0


...and this is what i want to-

AH0-N-D DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-W-AH1 T-AY1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1


...to drive home and to share with you about in this last 15 minutes or so that i have-

T-UW1 D-R-AY1-V HH-OW1 M-AH0-N-D T-UW1 SH-EH1 R-W-IH1 DH-Y-UW1 AH0 B-AW1 T-IH0-N DH-IH1 S-L-AE1-S-T F-IH0-F T-IY1-N M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AO1-R S-OW1 DH-AE1 T-AY1 HH-AE1-V


...into our heart, which causes our lives to be transformed.

IH0-N T-UW1 AW1 ER0 HH-AA1-R T-W-IH1-CH K-AA1 Z-AH0 Z-AW1 ER0 L-IH1-V-Z T-UW1 B-IY1 T-R-AE0-N-S F-AO1-R-M-D


that when he went away-

DH-AE1 T-W-EH1-N HH-IY1 W-EH1-N T-AH0 W-EY1


well, you know what i'm saying? that seems like a confusion of roles there.

W-EH1 L-Y-UW1 N-OW1 W-AH1 T-IH1-M S-EY1 IH0-NG DH-AE1-T S-IY1-M Z-L-AY1 K-AH0 K-AH0-N F-Y-UW1 ZH-AH0 N-AH1 V-R-OW1-L-Z DH-EH1-R


...will see me.


...he needs jesus to manifest into, to deal with her and help her in different ways than me. right?

HH-IY1 N-IY1-D-Z JH-IY1 Z-AH0-S T-UW1 M-AE1 N-AH0 F-EH2-S T-IH0-N T-UW1 T-UW1 D-IY1 L-W-IH1-DH HH-ER0 AH0-N-D HH-EH1-L-P HH-ER0 IH0-N D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N T-W-EY1-Z DH-AE1-N M-IY1 R-AY1-T


and so we're going speak to me, get-

AH0-N-D S-OW1 W-ER0 G-OW1 IH0-NG-S P-IY1-K T-UW1 M-IY1 G-EH1-T


but god is helping me, but that really doesn't annoy me. that they're a seer. it annoyed me because we're all seers.

B-AH1-T G-AA1 D-IH1-Z HH-EH1-L P-IH0-NG M-IY1 B-AH1-T DH-AE1 T-R-IH1 L-IY0 D-OW1 S-AH0-N T-AH0 N-OY1 M-IY1 DH-AE1-T TH-EH1 R-AH0 S-IY1 R-IH1 T-AH0 N-OY1 D-M-IY1 B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-W-ER0 AO1-L S-IY1-R-Z


god said, he said in that day, nobody i'll have to. i'll write my laws on your heart and everything. and nobody-

G-AA1-D S-EH1-D HH-IY1 S-EH1 D-IH0-N DH-AE1-T D-EY1 N-OW1 B-AA2 D-IY2 IH1-L HH-AE1-V T-UW1 IH1-L R-AY1 T-M-AY1 L-AO1 Z-AA1 N-Y-AO1-R HH-AA1-R T-AH0-N D-EH1 V-R-IY0 TH-IH2 NG-AH0-N D-N-OW1 B-AA2 D-IY2


...and see us there every day. my prayer time is an encounter with the master.amen.

AH0-N-D S-IY1 AH1-S DH-EH1 R-EH1 V-ER0 IY0 D-EY1 M-AY1 P-R-EH1-R T-AY1 M-IH1 Z-AE1 N-IH0-N K-AW1-N T-ER0 W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 M-AE1-S T-ER0 EY2 M-AH0-N


you know, we're like babies and a lot of spiritual things. and like i said-

Y-UW1 N-OW1 W-ER0 L-AY1-K B-EY1 B-IY0 Z-AH0-N D-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1-V-S P-IH1 R-IH0 CH-AH0 W-AH0-L TH-IH1-NG Z-AH0-N D-L-AY1 K-AY1 S-EH1-D


...pretty good self-esteem before god. and because we do have sweet times together and i was just worshiping him and suddenly i have my eyes closed.

P-R-IH1 T-IY0 G-UH1-D S-EH1-L-F S-EH1 T-AH0 M-IY0 B-IH0 F-AO1-R G-AA1 D-AH0-N-D B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-W-IY1 D-UW1 HH-AE1-V S-W-IY1-T T-AY1-M-Z T-AH0 G-EH1 DH-ER0 AH0-N D-AY1 W-AA1-Z JH-AH1-S T-W-ER1 SH-AH0 P-IH0-NG HH-IH1 M-AH0-N-D S-AH1 D-AH0 N-L-IY0 AY1 HH-AE1 V-M-AY1 AY1-Z K-L-OW1-Z-D


and he's saying you are so beautiful to me.

AH0-N-D HH-IY1-Z S-EY1 IH0 NG-Y-UW1 AA1-R S-OW1 B-Y-UW1 T-AH0 F-AH0-L T-UW1 M-IY1


you're everything i need.

Y-UH1 R-EH1 V-R-IY0 TH-IH2 NG-AY1 N-IY1-D


i was wracked with stops.

AY1 W-AA1 Z-R-AE1-K T-W-IH1-DH-S T-AA1-P-S


and then melted that morning.

AH0-N-D DH-EH1-N M-EH1-L T-AH0-D DH-AE1 T-M-AO1-R N-IH0-NG


so are you, and so are you.

S-OW1 AA1 R-Y-UW1 AH0-N-D S-OW1 AA1 R-Y-UW1


so i'm looking at the body of christ.

S-OW1 IH1 M-L-UH1 K-IH0 NG-AE1-T DH-AH0 B-AA1 D-IY0 AH1-V K-R-AY1-S-T


...nine, i think it is. it's either luke or matthew 9.

N-AY1 N-AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-IH1 T-IH1 Z-IH1-T S-IY1 DH-ER0 L-UW1 K-AO1-R M-AE1 TH-Y-UW0 N-AY1-N


...in the word, you can trust whatever the-

IH0-N DH-AH0 W-ER1 D-Y-UW1 K-AE1-N T-R-AH1-S T-W-AH2 T-EH1 V-ER0 DH-AH0


in feature, we talk to stewart riddle about the many elements involved in teaching literacy in schools.

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because we have one more week to go before the anzac day long weekend-

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and then i tried going and doing study before school and i was having a similar effect.

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pretty much devoted to...

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yeah, i don't know. i don't know either.

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i spent the last 10 years in that kind of sprint.

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extension on one assignment, simply because i was struggling to manage work and study at the same time.

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however, i've also been doing a bit of reading outside of my uni work, and having the opportunity to catch up on reading some blogs.

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...does listen quite regularly to our program, so-

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so the publication, or maybe he published it before that, the publication date was the 14th of april, but i came across it yesterday.

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which is quite a controversial...

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even though there are concerns about bringing in business principles into schools, for various reasons which i might go into in a moment.

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and so he's based his blog on, i think it's eric rees or eric ries has written a book called the lean startup...

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... which is basically a process of iterative change. and he linked to a number of different people who've written about iterative change in schools, which...

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... i think it's a really valuable practice. so often in...

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at a school level, maybe do...

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it's about processes like that. and he's...

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...talked about things like minimal, viable products and he...

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to meet the goal. i mean i...

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those principles particularly...

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possibly by a different name and with a different focus. i mean, the one area where maybe...

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...different from what we call formative assessment.

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to get a good understanding of what the process is. and there's a number of different models of it.

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perhaps in the way that we...

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do the assessment, although for a number of teachers formative...

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yeah. i understand what you mean. we've talked before about how...

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...interrogate their own practices once they're in place. i mean, i know...

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we've talked before about the tendency of schools to say things like, oh yeah, formative assessment, we did that five years ago or...

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...something you do. so, i can appreciate...

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...a matter of workplace culture, a matter of a workpla-

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...of business. but, really what i...

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my thoughts...


from that point of view, i agree with him. i think there's a lot of practices that we can look and learn from and see whether or not they'll work in our context, but my issue...

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...looking outside, looking at these practices. it's almost positioning the business world...

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...and we should be looking to business, so that...

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...idea of bringing business solutions into education...

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...is the way it sort of redefines...

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...he repeated the mantra about money, not really making a difference in education because you have to target it properly. and there's no point in throwing money at...

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...any effect size measurement on the difference that it makes for students who are working in a...

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...[inaudible 00:04:31] was talking about, was it...

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...they couldn't run the air conditioning during the day, cause it would blackout the school or something. so the kids...

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...consider what it would be like for those students, if they could actually be working in one of the schools which had working...

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...redefining the roles of what we do, we're redefining...

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their ability to engage in princi-

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...how much do they actually serve the purpose of formal education? and can you take that principle? can that principle...

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...still have the same benefit for schools if...

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...educational improvement that then you just look at success differently, but then...

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...those practices, do they necessarily translate in the same way? now...

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...that underlying assumption of the practice that somehow it might help minimize cost or maximize product...

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...it always has, but it's now seen more than ever in terms of budget and in terms of cost versus reward and the...

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...it was a good year. you have to consider educational out-

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...or are we by doing that importing that non-educational purpose into the system...

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...which, in many cases, and until somebody proves wrong to me, i'll happily...

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...to take an idea from a setting like business and find a way to make it work in education then...

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...were, and not just schools, but education sys-

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-tems were engaged in a much...

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so anyway, it's worth reading aaron's blog if you haven't had...

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...look at his blog before. his website is readwriterespond.com. and...

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...this particular article is called a lean education. but...

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...in relation to those ideas of short term gain, saving costs, you've just reminded me...

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...of another article, which i read yesterday.

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and i believe what has been happening...

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...is i think they've been turning the so-called failing schools into academies...

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...during their tenure, but the reports is they fell by an average of 6% after they...

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...says in the report that results would dip 9%...

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...if the superhead left after three or more years at the school...

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meanwhile, there was this huge...

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...expense because they then had to bring in consultants to save the school after the results crashed. so she a hundred...

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...schools having to pay more than £1,000,000 each.

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and that's outside the cost of the salary of the superhead...

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...percent and only started to increase three years later.

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and there was a large [depither 00:07:47] in place for longest...

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...after the patch was 9%.

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it says schools with sustainable leaders had slower growth, but avoided those cra-

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...some cases, you're going to get people who are effective leaders who are good at bringing people on board. let's...

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...i wonder how much of that effect is because you...

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...and when they leave, some of those things may stop that they were initiating. but from what you're describing out of that article, it does...

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...sound like there were a systemic or at least institutional changes made...

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...but recent evidence from statistic experts at education data lab suggests that some academies have a higher than expected...

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...obviously people want to have that verified.

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and we hear similar stories of charter school models in the us where they manage. they sort of...

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...create good results through really questionable strategies like this as well. from quite a...

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...they're not going to abandon their obligation to educate every child...

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..surely. and no government could walk away from that. but...

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...at an event where we heard from a former superintendent of new orleans...

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...in america... we heard from somebody who had had experience in the new orleans system.

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...yes, about how students from disadvantaged backgrounds were being...

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...forced to travel two to three hours to a school that went...

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...to reject students. so the nearest school these kids could get into...

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...the only school that was willing to take someone like them was so far away that they weren't a part of their local community. it's just the potential for long...

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...the details of the uk proposal beyond what i already know about the academies independently, but...

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it just strikes me as-

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one of those sweeping cost-cutting-driven-

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the government body, i'm not exactly sure how it exists legally.

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but they will still keep their school evaluation and assessment body-

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it helps establish school curriculum and programs across multiple schools, so it's-

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but, you know, there's also-

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have really-


behavior management policy, which, it's very-

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more extreme behaviors at all. you know, you see these pictures of kids-

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walking in a single line and they're not allowed to walk by people, absolutely no talking in the corridors. it's a-

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when we're talking about bringing business in, this is another example where i don't know how these people-

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has been fairly uniformly disastrous in terms of educational outcomes. and this, again, goes back to what i was saying earlier about the profit motive and the-

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possibly not being able to co-exist because to make a profit in a school-

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and i'm happy to be corrected-i think so.well no, i wouldn't be happy to be corrected on that, but i'm-

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willing to acknowledge i may be wrong. and-

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in the australian context-

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it's worth noting that we've had a bit of a brush with this discussion here in australia. i mean, we know that in western australia and queensland-

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to christopher pyne talking about the desire to make a large number of public schools-

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[inaudible 00:01:54] up is the term they like to use. they love to use language like "freeing"-

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to make them independent in some way, so this is not something that's alien to the australian context.no, no.it's happening here-

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now and given how contentious the debate around public education has been in australia for the last few years, i mean-

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arguably since the introduction of nap-

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on the lookout, we do have to be aware of these things coming, and we particularly need to pay attention to the successes and-

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they are starting to demonstrate, i believe, and i'm happy-

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to have come across all of the tales of genuine long-term educational improvement with-

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significant improvement everywhere that we have seen disadvantage addressed effectively has been a story of bringing schools, bringing peop-

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is greater accountability because-

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schools, so it's the governance of the school becomes more indepen-

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that need to demonstrate because they're no longer as closely attach-

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i think we should probably do an episode on this because i'd love to talk more-

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but i know we've got a few other things to cover in this episode, there's-

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a whole huge-


too, it might be really good to devote an episode to the topic.

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yeah, good idea. and hopefully, we can get some content on that in the very near future.

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we've bumped him back a little bit by default, but here he is n-

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studies which i find particularly interesting is called the australian covert bullying prevalence study, and that was conducted in 2009. one of-

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it's less than half, but it's close to-

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but what's even more interesting about this is the rate at which kids-

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that those 15% of boys who are, there's such a small percentage-

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who are seeking help. the late models and approach adapted from the work from a bloke called michael tunnicliffe and, in short, it stands for this. so, the l stands for-

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to actively listen. we need to make sure that adults are fully engaged.

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it's not a big deal to start with. we have-

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work with them. the t stands for-

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can deal with it rather than waiting to be given solutions. we need-

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encouragement not only that the kids, they've done well, first and foremost, in coming to seek help, encouraging them in terms of they can act-

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talk about things. how did things play out? did it work? did it not work?

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how might we further improve-

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[inaudible 00:04:57]. several of my colleagues got back to me and said, you know what? it's just like coaching. and, you know-

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i think there's a lot to that. a coaching model is one in which, whether you're working with adults or working with kids-

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go through in order to look at all the different options available to them. challenge their reality-

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challenge what's really happening, and then come up with various prospective solutions.

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the point of the coaching model or even the late model is that that's not then the end point. you make another appointment, another-

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strategy may well not end up working. and i think this model, whether it's working with kids, whether it's working with-

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grow model or the growth model of coaching, there's-

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lots and lots of resources and research out there that i think could really help you-

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build the capacity not only of the young people in your organizations, but also-

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it'll have passed by the next time, but until then-

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now, this is the point where we'd usually tell you that if you're-

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so here to tell us a little bit about his book, welcome back dan haesler.

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thanks cameron, thanks for having me.

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post, but some which i enjoyed writing and maybe people didn't enjoy reading as much, but i had to put them-

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it's a book that's kind of a collection of ideas.

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but, i actually, i got approached-

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realize was, the book i wanted to write wasn't the book that they wanted to publish. and that was quite an interesting process because-

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and obviously, if you're going to invest a lot of time in writing something, you want to make sure-

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controlling the conversation, i thought, "right, this is the book we want," and pitched it to-

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them, and slowly but surely, i felt like, again, it was being-

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not putting myself out there as an expert, rather taking the ideas that people have written about research, that people have done, blending that with my experience.

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i'm a fan of what dylan wiliam says when he talks about the idea that, you know what? everything works somewhere-

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but nothing works everywhere. and so, it's really about not taking a one-size-fits-all approach-

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and maybe being action researchers ourself, really understanding what it looks like in our context and whether or not-

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it does, in fact, have impact.

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fantastic. well, one other aspect of this publication though is all-

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you know, given that this is work that i've done over the last five years or so, it's not like i've dedicated six months of the last year-

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and work. again, you know, i'm not an expert in that field, so this is my first attempt to really try and help out in that regard.

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so what i'm doing is, all the profits, every single cent in profit from the sale of school of thought-

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they don't receive any government funding, they don't receive-

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kindle or amazon or through my website can make some small difference, then i'm-

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well, it certainly sounds like a worthwhile cause to support. and as you've already mentioned, your book is available in an ebook format and a paperback on your website, though i think you-

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a test as we haven't made a big enough deal of the name of the book for anybody who wants to buy it. it is, of course, school of-

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dan, thanks again for your time and for your contribution to the podcast, look forward to reading school of thought.thanks very much cameron, cheers.so we're now going to take-

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[inaudible 00:08:33]. with literacy and literacy instruction, continuing-

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what are we talking about when we actually mean literacy?

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well, i think, straight away, by asking for a basic definition-

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definition there that incorporates actual thinking skills and critical thinking skills that go on behind just the encoding and decoding of, you know-

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kind of communicative meaning. so-

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so, you indicated that this definition and this broader concept of literacy is potentially a little bit contentious-

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has this definition, has this understanding of literacy changed over ti-

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yeah, that's an interesting question. literacy itself-

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and there have been a number of kind of seminal book-

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what have you of reading where people-

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computer software, mobile phones-

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then anything that you do that works towards that end of some kind of communicative function-

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you've brought in this idea that literacy is primarily this communicative, social-

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meaning-making experience, but in order for people to be able to effectively communicate and engage in those literacy practices-

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i mean, it's my understanding that the sort of back-to-basics argument, we hear about literacy.

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and if you look at the curriculum, that's exactly what it's telling with-

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the argument kind of gets really blurry is what happens after that.

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and really effective kind of learning experiences for the children that they have in their classroom-

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then, which i like, but-


it's not particularly effective because it's not-

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targeted to the needs of the actual students that are being taught, that the context is taken-

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well, while i would definitely like to get back later on in this interview to discuss some of those direct instruction programs.

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identifying and improving a student's literacy skills.

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the talk for the next six months. and we still-

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really inadequate kind of superficial jump through, i would say the most important first step-

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is on the how of reading and writing, the nuts and bolts stuff.

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what are the actions strategies we're trying to do here? well, we were trying to-

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well, i just want to pick up on something you said there particular-

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exposure to primary literacy education is fairly-

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limited, but it seems as though skills in rse is something that i don't see coming into the discussion, all that much-

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but yet my understanding is that's a very foundational-

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i'm wondering, where does rse instruction fit in the bigger picture?

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shows the enormous importance of oral language development for-

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children in community context, the clients-

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a huge proportion of australian students that come-

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so, there is an assumption-

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what we call emergent literacy, which often includes things being able to recognize letters of the alphabet, being answered to some basic handwriting, that kind of stuff.

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that talked about, just how?

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paused a moment when you brought in the idea of having assumed or required levels of literacy before entering school, is-

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there potentially a problem with what we set as standard expectations of literacy, especially-

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i mean, yes. and at the same time, it's kind of-

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and i guess that's me, the issue becomes one-

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history and then learning and then everything...

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missed it. they've missed the cues as to what it is with that kid that isn't working.

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it's a pathology in which-

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are those students coming in with a lower than expected level of literacy? are those direct instruction programs? what-

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does it look like in the classroom?so, then-

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that's very different to an approach to teaching literacy or anything else-

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perhaps a worksheet or some tasks to do themselves.

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i mean, we often hear this talk about comparative stats and literacy rates and growth.

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so, they're actually-


opportunities to go off and try stuff out and...

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not only the need to teach...

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students' literacy skills, but are also then dealing with some of the broader pressures around the expectations of literacy instruction-

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i mean, what you're describing here as we-

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obstacles, what are the challenges that are then potentially preventing that from happening as effectively as it can?

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i mean, school teachers spend most of their day face to face in front of their classroom. they don't-

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what are their different kind of may-

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proceed call them interventions if you like, but to be able to plan really targeted curriculum experiences.

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which is often an impossible task, trying to...

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siphon through and work out. what's-

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what's the quality stuff and what's not.

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me at three, because who are currently doing a fairytale unit and i want to work on developing vocabulary or whatever it is.

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i'm not sure what the context is like in new south wales with [inaudible 00:05:15] but-

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that the problem is that we don't have...

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well, i suppose that goes back to what you said earlier about also not pathologizing the-

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game with better something to build on.

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and giving teachers the tools and the opportunity to be able to work-

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meaningfully within their context. that's, what's going to list all students in our schools.well, stewart, i think that sounds like a-

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i mean, has it always been that way to me-

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a couple of camps that i guess...

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[inaudible 00:05:57] involve as much explicit teaching of the building blocks of literacy. and so-

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rather than looking at what the... you get your practice and you're trained in a particular way, and you might have your beliefs so, that's how kids are going to-

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licit late, but what really, really-

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published her paper for the cis called why jayden-

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