thanks again to rachel boyle, who is a graduate scholar in residence here at the newberry. and thank you.

TH-AE1-NG-K S-AH0 G-EH1-N T-UW1 R-EY1 CH-AH0-L B-OY1-L HH-UW1 IH1 Z-AH0 G-R-AE1 JH-AH0 W-AH0-T-S K-AA1 L-ER0 IH0 N-R-EH1 Z-IH0 D-AH0-N-S HH-IY1 R-AE1-T DH-AH0 N-UW1 B-EH2 R-IY0 AH0-N-D TH-AE1-NG K-Y-UW1


back to the beginning. how old is chocolate?

B-AE1-K T-UW1 DH-AH0 B-IH0 G-IH1 N-IH0-NG HH-AW1 OW1-L D-IH1-Z CH-AO1 K-L-AH0-T


heavily in religious ceremonies, royal ceremony...

HH-EH1 V-AH0 L-IY0 IH0 N-R-IH0 L-IH1 JH-AH0-S S-EH1 R-AH0 M-OW2 N-IY0 Z-R-OY1 AH0-L S-EH1 R-AH0 M-OW2 N-IY0


how chocolate moved geographically?

HH-AW1 CH-AO1 K-L-AH0 T-M-UW1-V-D JH-IY2 AH0 G-R-AE1 F-IH0 K-AH0 L-IY0


it's brought chocolate or cacao beans and sugar together. how did chocolate evolve from there?

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good and it's come into today's culture as more of a solid treat.

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how culture can be reflected in how societies use and enjoy chocolate?

HH-AW1 K-AH1-L CH-ER0 K-AE1-N B-IY1 R-AH0 F-L-EH1-K T-AH0 D-IH0-N HH-AW1 S-AH0 S-AY1 AH0 T-IY0 Z-Y-UW1 Z-AH0-N D-EH0-N JH-OY1 CH-AO1 K-L-AH0-T


chocolate come into st. valentine's day gift giving.

CH-AO1 K-L-AH0-T K-AH1 M-IH0-N T-UW1-S T-R-IY1-T V-AE1 L-AH0-N T-AY2-N-Z D-EY1 G-IH1-F-T G-IH1 V-IH0-NG


this ancient treat has stood the test of time.

DH-IH1 S-EY1-N CH-AH0-N-T T-R-IY1-T HH-AE1-Z-S T-UH1-D DH-AH0 T-EH1-S T-AH1-V T-AY1-M


most simply because it tastes very good.

M-OW1-S-T S-IH1-M P-L-IY0 B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-IH1-T T-EY1-S-T-S V-EH1 R-IY0 G-UH1-D


agreed.but it really is so adaptable and can become something...

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...interesting to just about every culture. that you can make it...

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...a very expensive luxury item. it can be a cheap mass produced item. that's great for little memento.

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adaptable. and i think that's why ultimately it has stood the test of time.thank you for taking the time to speak with us. i have one...

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...final question and i think it might be the most important question of all.

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in the conservation services department here at the newberry. can you tell us a little bit about what that department does and what its general responsibilities are?

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so it's kind of a chance to talk with the staff about, or to kind of get everyone on board with, hey...

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...there are bugs around here. don't contribute to the problem, contribute to the solution.

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and so, what else do you use that more in depth data that you guys collect internally? what sorts of things can you use that for?

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we can see where we are in the building.

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there i guess, certain trends we'll notice. for example, the stacks...

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...seems to have consistently the lowest of the three sections.

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i mentioned earlier, however, when we do have pests...

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...they're always in the northwest corner.

TH-EH1 R-AO1 L-W-EY2 Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 N-AO2-R TH-W-EH1-S-T K-AO1-R N-ER0


it's funny because say we put a trap underneath the vending machines and sometimes, well, sometimes the trap is taken away. we don't know why.

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but bugs have carried it off.when it's there, there aren't...

B-AH1-T B-AH1-G-Z HH-AE1-V K-AE1 R-IY0 D-IH1 T-AO1 F-W-AH0 N-IH1-T-S DH-EH1-R DH-EH1 R-AA1 R-AH0-N-T


yeah. i was trying to, again for us, it's easy. when i first...

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...started working here, i remember kind of being like, "what do you mean i can't eat my breakfast at my desk and eat my lunch?"

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right. but some time aside, go hang out with people.

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i mean, you can kind of see a change in the types of pests to. for example, i brought this stinkbug with me.

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well, it's a dead specimen, but there's an actual, stinkbug in a small glass container in my hand now.i don't think...

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the day someone gave me one, we came home and there were two on my screen door. i felt like it was an omen.

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the stinkbugs have arrived. so...

DH-AH0-S T-IH1-NG-K B-AH0-G-Z HH-AE1 V-ER0 AY1-V-D S-OW1


obviously you guys go around and collect things from traps, but you just mentioned, you said...

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...we've seen five in the past couple of months. so do you get calls? is there a bug tip...

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...line working with like, "i see a dead bug on my desk, can someone please come retrieve this?"

L-AY1 N-W-ER1 K-IH0 NG-W-IH1 DH-L-AY1 K-AY1 S-IY1 AH0 D-EH1-D B-AH1 G-AA1-N M-AY1 D-EH1-S-K K-AE1-N S-AH1 M-W-AH2-N P-L-IY1-Z K-AH1 M-R-IH0 T-R-IY1-V DH-IH1-S


washing your hands after lunch and by the way, there's a bug under my desk. can you swing by?

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yeah,i have been called out to clean up spiderwebs a couple of times.

Y-IY1 HH-IY0 HH-AE1-V B-IH1-N K-AO1-L D-AW1-T T-UW1 K-L-IY1 N-AH1-P-S P-IH1 D-ER0 B-EH2-R Z-AH0 K-AH1 P-AH0 L-AH1-V T-AY1-M-Z


...got really cold like we did. so when we go and get the traps, i'm curious.

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it's always a little treat to see what have the past three months left for us.

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so i have to compliment you on your writing of the quarterly pest report. your work is particularly rye.

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i mean...thank you....it's an email that everyone gets that's about bugs. that like counts...

AY1 M-EH1-N TH-AE0-NG K-Y-UW1-T S-AE1 N-IY0 M-EY1-L DH-AE1 T-EH1 V-R-IY0 W-AH2-N G-EH1-T-S TH-AE1-T S-AH0 B-AW1-T B-AH1-G-Z DH-AE1 T-L-AY1-K K-AW1-N-T-S


...there are. and so it can be very dry reading, but ever since...

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...you've taken it over, i've been like, "oh, i actually am looking forward to reading...

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...this." so do you have any sort of philosophy...

DH-IH1-S S-OW1 D-UW1 Y-UW1 HH-AE1 V-EH1 N-IY0 S-AO1-R T-AH1-V F-AH0 L-AA1 S-AH0 F-IY0


...a little?right. i think it kind of becomes a shared enterprise when we can all laugh together.yeah.yeah.i like that. so...

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...a personal question for you. do you view bugs as your enemies.

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so, if i can, i will try and take it outside. there might've been one or two times and i was like, i'm too tired. i'm just, i'm going to step on this spider.

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what stands out as maybe some of the more weird things that you've seen?

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so it wasn't that it was like smashed in the book, but it's actually part of the paper.that's what....

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and what about like the grossest thing that you've ever seen?

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most, yeah. most of this area. and then like with ants...

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in what area? was it like a food part or was it in the stacks?

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[inaudible 00:07:06] link that we carry.okay.so...

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we're starting in the basement, going down.that was really interesting.so now we're walking into the stacks.

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peeling off a film that covers up the adhesive. and we do that at the very last minute, just because it's actually very sticky.

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it looks like one booklouse.a tiny little speck of a bug.in this yeah.

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this is southeast, it's the southeast corner. yeah, usually one or two is to be expected.

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they're also called psocid and they feed on mold.

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and so, they can pose a threat to the material itself.

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and we do see quite a lot of them around the building.

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now that i can look at it in the light. i think that's what that is. and i'm seeing another one.

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and even now, do you have sort of like...

AH0-N D-IY1 V-IH0-N N-AW1 D-UW1 Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V S-AO1-R T-AH1 V-L-AY1-K


...like little guides that look like picture guides that you can match with and things, or how did you learn how to identify them all?

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it's like it has a little key and then you try to guess what's on there.

IH1-T S-L-AY1 K-IH1-T HH-AE1 Z-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L K-IY1 AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-Y-UW1 T-R-AY1 T-UW1 G-EH1 S-W-AH0-T S-AA1-N DH-EH1-R


they're just labeled. and so when we have tour groups come through, we set them out and people say, "oh, that's what a silverfish looks like." most people know what they look like.

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well, i see one thing. looks like some type of maybe like a carpet beetle or something.

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or oftentimes, this has had a lot of ants on it in warmer months. so it's actually pretty empty.

AO1 R-AO1 F-AH0-N T-AY2-M-Z DH-IH1-S HH-AE1-Z HH-AE1 D-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1 V-AE1-N-T S-AA1 N-IH1 T-IH0 N-W-AO1-R M-ER0 M-AH1-N-TH-S S-OW1 IH1-T S-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 P-R-IH1 T-IY0 EH1-M-P T-IY0


you mean talking about the stairwell?yeah.they catch more, we catch more in the stairwell.

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just by the nature of how the building is structured. it does tend to be more moisture down here.right, yeah.we like to see a pretty much empty trap like this one.

JH-AH1-S-T B-AY1 DH-AH0 N-EY1 CH-ER0 AH1-V HH-AW1 DH-AH0 B-IH1-L D-IH0 NG-IH1-Z-S T-R-AH1-K CH-ER0 D-IH1-T D-AH1-Z T-EH1-N-D T-UW1 B-IY1 M-AO1-R M-OY1-S CH-ER0 D-AW1-N HH-EH1 R-ER0 AY2 T-Y-IY1 W-AA0 L-AY1-K T-UW1 S-IY1 AH0 P-R-IH1 T-IY0 M-AH1 CH-EH1-M-P T-IY0 T-R-AE1 P-L-AY1-K DH-IH1 S-W-AH1-N


you came to the newberry awhile ago because you found something from your family in our collection. so, can you tell me about what that was and how you found it?yeah.

Y-UW1 K-EY1-M T-UW1 DH-AH0 N-UW1 B-EH2 R-IY0 AH0 W-AY1 L-AH0 G-OW1 B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-Y-UW1 F-AW1-N-D S-AH1-M TH-IH0-NG F-R-AH1 M-Y-AO1-R F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0 IH0 N-AW1 ER0 K-AH0 L-EH1-K SH-AH0-N S-OW1 K-AE1 N-Y-UW1 T-EH1-L M-IY1 AH0 B-AW1 T-W-AH1-T DH-AE1 T-W-AA1 Z-AH0-N-D HH-AW1 Y-UW1 F-AW1-N D-IH1 T-IY0 AH0


all right. so you got to see your grandmother's stories from her perspective.yeah.

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and for being young and excited and you know, all those things of like going to disney world when you're that age.yeah.

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how did your grandmother come into the cruz family?

HH-AW1 D-IH1 D-Y-AO1-R G-R-AE1-N D-M-AH2 DH-ER0 K-AH1 M-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AH0 K-R-UW1-Z F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0


what kind of stories did your grandmother tell you when you were growing up?

W-AH1-T K-AY1-N D-AH1-V-S T-AO1 R-IY0-Z D-IH1 D-Y-AO1-R G-R-AE1-N D-M-AH2 DH-ER0 T-EH1 L-Y-UW1 W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 W-ER0 G-R-OW1 IH0 NG-AH1-P


yeah, because it connects it to a very real event. [crosstalk 00:00:21] it's major in history. what kind of stuff did she teach you about your own family history?

Y-AE1 B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-IH1-T K-AH0 N-EH1-K-T S-IH1-T T-UW1 AH0 V-EH1 R-IY0 R-IY1 L-IH0 V-EH1-N-T K-R-AO1-S T-AO1-K Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z Z-IH1 R-OW0 M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 W-AH1-N S-EH1 K-AH0-N D-IH1-T S-M-EY1 JH-ER0 IH0-N HH-IH1-S T-ER0 IY0 W-AH1-T K-AY1-N D-AH1-V-S T-AH1-F D-IH1-D SH-IY1 T-IY1 CH-Y-UW1 AH0 B-AW1 T-Y-AO1 R-OW1-N F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0 HH-IH1-S T-ER0 IY0


they came in through virginia, and then went to kentucky, [crosstalk 00:00:38] and then made it to iowa, and then finally to illinois.okay.

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so when did your family end up in chicago?

S-OW1 W-EH1-N D-IH1 D-Y-AO1-R F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0 EH1-N D-AH1 P-IH0-N SH-AH0 K-AA1 G-OW2


my grandfather was the first one to leave.

M-AY1 G-R-AE1-N-D F-AA2 DH-ER0 W-AA1-Z DH-AH0 F-ER1-S T-W-AH1-N T-UW1 L-IY1-V


he came, or my great-grandfather, i'm sorry, [crosstalk 00:00:59] was the first to leave.

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leave fairfield?yes. and he-

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...did, i don't know what the actual title is, and i learned about it here, but promptly forgot it.that's all right.

D-IH1 D-AY1 D-AA1-N T-N-OW1 W-AH1-T DH-AH0 AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0-L T-AY1 T-AH0 L-IH1 Z-AH0-N D-AY1 L-ER1 N-IH0 D-AH0 B-AW1 T-IH1-T HH-IY1-R B-AH1-T P-R-AA1-M-P T-L-IY0 F-ER0 G-AA1 T-IH1-T HH-AE2-T S-AO1-L R-AY1-T


[crosstalk 00:01:14]but it sounds like your family's history is also very entwined with chicago's history?definitely.so is that part of why you stayed in chicago?

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you know, i don't know. a lot of times it reads like it was for school. i don't think it was because, who has a two year assignment-

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...foresight, but she seems-

F-AO1-R S-AY2-T B-AH1-T SH-IY1 S-IY1-M-Z


it sounds like it was very fun.

IH1-T S-AW1-N-D Z-L-AY1 K-IH1 T-W-AA1-Z V-EH1 R-IY0 F-AH1-N


...and is comparing the second year to the first year. every story-

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...every page has like a little momento or a picture from the fair. all of that was just really cool to connect.what were-

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...some other connections that your family had with chicago and the historical moments in chicago?

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how does that family history play into the way you interact with chicago, and how does it determine part of your identity?well-

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...the biggest evangelist for this city, and i kind of-

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i'm a big person who wants to go see the old thing that we never made it to, the elks memorial up on the north side, things like that.

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i think it just made me much more curious about-

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i love all that nerdy stuff, all the details-

AY1 L-AH1 V-AO1-L DH-AE1 T-N-ER1 D-IY0-S T-AH1 F-AO1-L DH-AH0 D-IH0 T-EY1-L-Z


everything has a story here. i love looking around the city and finding the stories.

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it's also interesting to see how these major events in chicago's history have a personal [crosstalk 00:03:04] story behind them.yes.

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is there anything else that you wanted to touch on about your family or-

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tongue is responding to oates' story, [crosstalk 00:03:18] okay.

T-AH1 NG-IH1 Z-R-IH0-S P-AA1-N D-IH0-NG T-UW1 OW1-T-S-S T-AO1 R-IY0 K-R-AO1-S T-AO1-K Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z TH-R-IY1 M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N D-EY0 T-IY1-N S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-OW2 K-EY1


[inaudible 00:03:19] foreign agent. they were also-

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...jesuits especially there on the continent. you'd have the inquisition. they were seen as foreign agents in a lot of ways.

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there was a lot of catholic, there was a lot of anti-

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...catholic sentiment and oates plays right into this. so what he does, is he writes-

K-AE1 TH-L-IH0-K S-EH1-N T-AH0 M-AH0-N T-AH0-N D-OW1-T-S P-L-EY1 Z-R-AY1 T-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-IH1-S S-OW1 W-AH1-T HH-IY1 D-AH1 Z-IH1-Z HH-IY1 R-AY1-T-S


...the manuscript detailing these plots and there are 43 accusations.

DH-AH0 M-AE1 N-Y-AH0-S K-R-IH2-P-T D-IH0 T-EY1 L-IH0-NG DH-IY1-Z P-L-AA1-T S-AH0-N-D DH-EH1 R-AA1-R F-AO1-R T-IY0 TH-R-IY1 AE2 K-Y-AH0 Z-EY1 SH-AH0-N-Z


israel tongue takes the manuscript and hides it in a wall in the house where he's living and pretends to find it.

IH1 Z-R-IY0 AH0-L T-AH1-NG T-EY1-K-S DH-AH0 M-AE1 N-Y-AH0-S K-R-IH2-P T-AH0-N-D HH-AY1-D Z-IH1 T-IH0 N-AH0 W-AO1 L-IH0-N DH-AH0 HH-AW1 S-W-EH1-R HH-IY1 Z-L-IH1 V-IH0 NG-AH0-N-D P-R-IY0 T-EH1-N-D-Z T-UW1 F-AY1-N D-IH1-T


they start showing it to people. it's a little crazy-

DH-EY1-S T-AA1-R-T SH-OW1 IH0 NG-IH1-T T-UW1 P-IY1 P-AH0 L-IH1-T S-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L K-R-EY1 Z-IY0


...even for people in power. charles the second was like, you're... [inaudible 00:04:08] the king was like, you're crazy. [crosstalk 00:04:09]

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right.they're such good liars that they convinced some friends of theirs to bring their accusations to a westminster magistrate-

R-AY1-T HH-AY1 ER0 S-AH1-CH G-UH1 D-L-AY1 ER0-Z DH-AE1-T DH-EY1 K-AH0-N V-IH1-N-S-T S-AH1-M F-R-EH1-N-D Z-AH1-V DH-EH1-R-Z T-UW1 B-R-IH1-NG DH-EH1 R-AE2 K-Y-AH0 Z-EY1 SH-AH0-N-Z T-UW1 AH0 W-EH2-S T-M-IH1-N-S T-ER0 M-AE1 JH-AH0-S T-R-EY2-T


...named sir edmund barry godfrey. and even he is like, whatever, this is kind of weird.

N-EY1-M-D S-ER1 EH1 D-M-AH0-N-D B-AE1 R-IY0 G-AA1-D F-R-IY0 AH0-N D-IY1 V-IH0-N HH-IY1 IH1 Z-L-AY1 K-W-AH2 T-EH1 V-ER0 DH-IH1 S-IH1-Z K-AY1-N D-AH1 V-W-IH1-R-D


i'll take your deposition though. two months later, he is mysteriously murdered.

IH1-L T-EY1 K-Y-AO1-R D-EH2 P-AH0 Z-IH1 SH-AH0-N DH-OW1 T-UW1 M-AH1-N-TH S-L-EY1 T-ER0 HH-IY1 IH1 Z-M-IH2-S T-IH1 R-IY0 AH0 S-L-IY0 M-ER1 D-ER0-D


he's actually found run through with a sword [crosstalk 00:04:38] and oates and tongue say, it's the catholics.

HH-IY1 Z-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 F-AW1-N D-R-AH1-N TH-R-UW1 W-IH1 DH-AH0 S-AO1-R-D K-R-AO1-S T-AO1-K Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z F-AO1-R M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D TH-ER1 D-IY0 EY1-T S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-AH0-N D-OW1-T S-AH0-N-D T-AH1-NG S-EY1 IH1-T-S DH-AH0 K-AE1 TH-L-IH0-K-S


they have no evidence whatsoever. when oates is asked for evidence-

DH-EY1 HH-AE1 V-N-OW1 EH1 V-AH0 D-AH0-N S-W-AH2-T S-OW0 EH1 V-ER0 W-EH1 N-OW1-T S-IH1 Z-AE1-S-K-T F-AO1 R-EH1 V-AH0 D-AH0-N-S


...he's like, i don't know. i know it's true, i was there.

HH-IY1 Z-L-AY1 K-AY1 D-AA1-N T-N-OW1 AY1 N-OW1 IH1-T-S T-R-UW1 AY1 W-AA1-Z DH-EH1-R


i heard them. these catholics, they're so talkative-

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he eventually gets sent to the privy council-

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...the king's cabinet. and they still don't really believe him-

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...but he's managed to hit on a couple of people who were prominent catholics who did really want to see catholicism restored.

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and they were not part of the plot because there was no plot.right.

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but if there had been a plot, they might've been part of it, which they weren't because there was no plot.right.so-

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meanwhile, the accusations have been printed, the deposition-

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...errors with his wife. he has tons of illegitimate children-

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there would have been some existing anxiety over who would replace him?

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so a major part of his methodology was playing on existing prejudices against-

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okay.by the time of the popish plot, people sort of, there's a bit of a shift-

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...but one of the ways that we know so much about the popish plot is people started collecting all of this stuff in the same way-

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...and there is tons and tons and tons of it. and the newberry is really lucky in there's a man with a fantastic name of narcissist-

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luttrell, who was a member of parliament. he was obsessed with writing diaries and things like that. he sent his servants out every day to collect everything related-

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...everything that was published, and not just the popish plot, [crosstalk 00:06:32] but by the early 1680's-

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...people started, it became immediately collectible to-

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i don't even know if that answered your question, but-

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so print culture plays a huge role in creating titus oates, [crosstalk 00:06:52] but it also plays a role in his undoing, right?

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yeah, absolutely. so i think that what i noticed-

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i have a background in education. when i would work with students, what i noticed was that there was a big gap in terms of native literature.

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there's some young adult books, and then you have this sort of jump that moves into adult literature in terms of native adult literature. there wasn't really anything-

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...there's this set that's really like sort of the scaffolding years, which is really where graphic novels and comic books comes in-

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in terms of that space within western mass literature-

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...even in the stuff that students have available and that native communities have available-

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...in terms of creating stories that filled that gap, that used images in a very creative way, in a very progressive way-

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...rangers and pirates and whatnot, and that's really what i set out to do when we established the company.that's great.

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great. thank you. i think that seems like it's probably a pretty good place to stop unless you had anything else you wanted [crosstalk 00:08:10] us to touch on?

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...is a great way to sum it up, lee francis the fourth. thank you very much for joining us.

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i pray about the humanities and the humans behind them. i'm alex teller, director of editorial services at the newberry. in this episode-but for african american-

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yeah, because i lecture around, and so what i do is, i instruct people on how to research. [crosstalk 00:08:35].

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and that's one of the big things that i do, is teach people how to research. so-

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...one of the major problems and challenges in african-american genealogy, genealogy is it's simple to start off-

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it's very easy, and we'll talk about that in a minute, but when you get to the advanced stages-

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...you run into some serious challenges.

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one of those challenges is identifying who the former slave owner was that owned your ancestors. in order to do that-

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unfortunately, it's not passed down from generation to generation through old history, or through any documented evidence that you have in your family.

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and what you'll find when you start to sit down and recollect and think about your family-

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...immediate, as well as extended, that you know a lot more about your family history-

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...then you realize. you just haven't thought about it in detail and haven't chronicled it. so that's the first step.

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second step is to identify all your living relatives, be they're in the town where you live or spread across the country, across the world-

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when i taught, i taught genealogy at chicago state university and on the first day i had my students write out a list of all their living family members-

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prioritize that list by age and then go out and interview each and every one of those people. record-

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the newberry library records on the internet, records and archives and county courthouses. those things are going to be there-

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when we're long dead and gone but our relatives will not. so i always tell people to put the highest priority on your living relatives.

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interview them, hopefully by videotape, if not videotape, at least audio tape. also keep notes and you have two objectives.

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the first is to get their life story.

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just like you did your life story. your second objective is to get everything they remember about their ancestors and when you're interviewing people-

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it's going to take multiple times to interview them.

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i've interviewed people for four, six, eight and more hours.

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if a person is 50, 60, 70, 80 years old-

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you have to peel apart their memory in layers.

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but it's very, very fruitful because you'll find a lot of information again-

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it's not in a book or a library. the third step-

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is to go into a person's house and you want to look at what i call-

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the family papers. so those are things like the family bible, old newspaper clippings, obituary-

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obituaries, funeral programs, old letters, postcards, discharged certificates.

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yearbooks, photograph albums, all kinds of things like that.

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they all have a little bit in piece of the family history again that you're not going to find anywhere else.

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find those things, scan them, make copies of it, ex-

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extract the genealogical information and put it into their genealogy program.

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once you do that, then you have enough information to go to the family cemetery and that's where the ancestors are buried.

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sometimes that's in a town where you're living now.

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after you get the information from the cemeteries, then you want to get information from funeral homes which are kind of related to cemeteries-

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they have a tendency to bury other family members in that cemetery. so you can often pick up additional ancestors from both of those.

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the next step from there is you have enough information to go to the census.

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researching in...


in order to increase your opportunities of success. a lot of people when they start-

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they just go to the internet and they go to google and they put their names in but they don't have enough information in really searching google.

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they don't have enough information to search online.

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the resources i talked about are not online.

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but what they'll do is, they'll give you names, they'll give you dates, they give you locations.

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they'll give you events, they'll give you nicknames and middle names.

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all those different kinds of things that again, will increase your success.

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then you're ready to look at census records. those available now online at ancestry.com.

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they're available at familysearch.org which is the mormon website. there available book indexes like newberry library-at the new-

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but many of the census records. and it often instructs people with the-

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plus there's indexes here like the soundex index.

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so you look at census records and census records will take you back pretty far.

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then you can look at things like... well even before you look at census records, you should really look at death certificates.

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the birth certificates and the marriage records. and from there, then you can go to census records and then all the other esoteric types of records.

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where would you find those pension application files?

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yes. it's always easier to research males than females.okay.one, females don't have military records.right.

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they wouldn't have been eligible for pensions with the same kind of bureaucratic.right.

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let me explain the methodology that i've been using.of course.i know that was one of your questions.yeah.

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however, one of the ones i haven't been able to find... another one only had seven names on it.

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and all those enslaved people were blind and there were separate schedules for what we call a delinquent schedules.

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for those that had disabilities.okay.what i don't know and i want to go check it out to see if all the enslaved people that had disabilities, if they were missing by name on the disability schedule-

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what we refer to as the delinquent schedule? so i still have yet to go and do that.

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the one that i had was from twiggs county, georgia. they were all blind.

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so, i then went out to see which one of these have already been published.

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i was aware that the one from 1850 for bowie county, maryland was published. in fact, it was actually published by a colleague of mine here in chicago.

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but i wanted to start at 1860 because it was closer to 1870 and i figured it'd be a higher probability of finding him in 1870.

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because 1850 is 20 years distant and those people might not have survived. so i found one that was published from hampshire county, west virginia.

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that was published in the journal of the afro-american historical and genealogical society. so since that was published-

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fester as much evidence as you can and say-exactly.most likely based on this evidence, it could be this person but there's a chance that it's not based on x, y and z.

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i was just going to ask if there is anybody who has kind of done kind of an over-under on what is an average for a third-

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right because that'll help other researchers. in fact, there's two other ones... for two different counties. the one only has seven, i might as well publish that-

R-AY1-T B-IH0 K-AO1-Z TH-AE1 T-AH0-L HH-EH1-L P-AH1 DH-ER0 R-IY1 S-ER0 CH-ER0 Z-IH0-N F-AE1-K-T DH-EH1-R-Z T-UW1 AH1 DH-ER0 W-AH1-N-Z F-AO1-R T-UW1 D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N-T K-AW1-N T-IY0-Z DH-AH0 W-AH1 N-OW1 N-L-IY0 HH-AE1-Z S-EH1 V-AH0 N-AY1 M-AY1 T-AE1 Z-W-EH1-L P-AH1 B-L-IH0-SH DH-AE1-T


and then we look forward to when your intermediate book comes out to have on our shelves to help everybody with all of that too. so, awesome.yes, exactly.thank you very much tony.

AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-W-IY1 L-UH1-K F-AO1 R-W-ER0-D T-UW1 W-EH1 N-Y-AO1 R-IH2-N T-ER0 M-IY1 D-IY0 IH0-T B-UH1-K K-AH1-M Z-AW1-T T-UW1 HH-AE1 V-AA1 N-AW1 ER0 SH-EH1-L-V-Z T-UW1 HH-EH1-L P-EH1 V-R-IY0 B-AA2 D-IY0 W-IH1 DH-AO1 L-AH1-V DH-AE1-T T-UW1 S-OW1 AH0 S-IY1 M-OW2-V Z-IH0-G Z-AE1-K T-IH0 K-L-AE2-N CH-Y-UW1 V-EH1 R-IY0 M-AH1-CH T-OW1 N-IY0


in the dark, in the staircase, i'm actually having my-

IH0-N DH-AH0 D-AA1-R K-IH0-N DH-AH0-S T-EH1-R K-EY2 S-IH1 M-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 HH-AE1 V-IH0-NG M-AY1


[inaudible 00:06:59] what are you doing?

IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z S-IH1-K S-M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D F-IH1-F T-IY0 N-AY1-N S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-W-AH1 T-AA1 R-Y-UW1 D-UW1 IH0-NG


you're listening to someone living through a war.

Y-UH1-R L-IH1 S-AH0 N-IH0-NG T-UW1 S-AH1 M-W-AH2 N-L-IH1 V-IH0-NG TH-R-UW1 AH0 W-AO1-R


she lives in yemen's capital, sanaa. and right now she is trying real hard to keep her two year-old-boy entertained.

SH-IY1 L-IH1-V Z-IH0 N-Y-EH1 M-AH0-N-Z K-AE1 P-AH0 T-AH0-L S-AH0 N-AA1 AH0-N D-R-AY1 T-N-AW1 SH-IY1 IH1-Z T-R-AY1 IH0 NG-R-IY1-L HH-AA1-R-D T-UW1 K-IY1-P HH-ER0 T-UW1 Y-IH1 R-OW0-L D-OW0 EH2-N T-ER0 T-EY1-N-D


oh, it's almost midday. i am going to lunch.hello.

OW1 IH1-T S-AO1-L M-OW2-S T-M-IH1-D D-EY2 AY1 AE1-M G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 L-AH1-NG CH-EH0 L-OW0


i wanted to get a better impression of who these two are. so i asked their boss, nadine.so sakena is a...

AY1 W-AA1-N T-AH0-D T-UW1 G-EH1 T-AH0 B-EH1 T-ER0 IH0-M P-R-EH1 SH-AH0 N-AH1-V HH-UW1 DH-IY1-Z T-UW1 AA1-R S-OW1 AY1 AE1-S-K-T DH-EH1-R B-AA1 S-N-AA0 D-IY1-N S-OW0 S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 IH1 Z-AH0


sakena is definitely a ray of sunshine.

S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 IH1-Z D-EH1 F-AH0 N-AH0 T-L-IY0 AH0 R-EY1 AH1-V S-AH1-N SH-AY2-N


she was so excited when she learned that she was pregnant.

SH-IY1 W-AA1-Z S-OW1 IH0-K S-AY1 T-AH0 D-W-EH1-N SH-IY1 L-ER1 N-IH0-D DH-AE1-T SH-IY1 W-AA1-Z P-R-EH1 G-N-AH0-N-T


she threw a party for her family and bought a bunch of books about all the things that pregnant women need to do to take care of themselves.

SH-IY1 TH-R-UW1 AH0 P-AA1-R T-IY0 F-AO1-R HH-ER0 F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0 AH0-N-D B-AA1 T-AH0 B-AH1-N CH-AH1-V B-UH1-K S-AH0 B-AW1 T-AO1-L DH-AH0 TH-IH1-NG-Z DH-AE1-T P-R-EH1 G-N-AH0-N T-W-IH1 M-AH0-N N-IY1-D T-UW1 D-UW1 T-UW1 T-EY1-K K-EH1 R-AH1-V DH-EH0-M S-EH1-L-V-Z


what to eat, how to stay fit, what music to listen to.

W-AH1-T T-UW1 IY1-T HH-AW1 T-UW1-S T-EY1 F-IH1 T-W-AH1 T-M-Y-UW1 Z-IH0-K T-UW1 L-IH1 S-AH0-N T-UW1


in the end, sakena gave birth to elias. he's now two and he's the light of her life.

IH0-N DH-AH0 EH1-N-D S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 G-EY1-V B-ER1-TH T-UW1 AH0 L-AY1 AH0-S HH-IY1 Z-N-AW1 T-UW1 AH0-N-D HH-IY1-Z DH-AH0 L-AY1 T-AH1-V HH-ER0 L-AY1-F


is facing the world's largest humanitarian crisis.

IH1-Z F-EY1 S-IH0-NG DH-AH0 W-ER1-L-D Z-L-AA1-R JH-AH0-S-T HH-Y-UW2 M-AE2 N-AH0 T-EH1 R-IY0 AH0-N K-R-AY1 S-AH0-S


to nearly 21 million people in need of emergency aid or protection-

T-UW1 N-IH1-R L-IY0 T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 W-AH1-N M-IH1 L-Y-AH0-N P-IY1 P-AH0 L-IH0-N N-IY1 D-AH1 V-IH0 M-ER1 JH-AH0-N S-IY0 EY1 D-AO1-R P-R-AH0 T-EH1-K SH-AH0-N


eritrea outbreak. about 130 children die every day in yemen, almost entirely of preventable causes like starvation and disease.

EH2 R-IH0 T-R-IY1 AH0 AW1-T B-R-EY2 K-AH0 B-AW1 T-W-AH1-N HH-AH1-N D-R-AH0 D-AH0-N-D TH-ER1 D-IY0 CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0-N D-AY1 EH1 V-ER0 IY0 D-EY1 IH0 N-Y-EH1 M-AH0 N-AO1-L M-OW2-S T-IH0-N T-AY1 ER0 L-IY0 AH1-V P-R-IH0 V-EH1-N T-AH0 B-AH0-L K-AA1 Z-AH0 Z-L-AY1-K-S T-AA0-R V-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N-D D-IH0 Z-IY1-Z


yemenis, just like people in other arab countries, called for change.

Y-EH1 M-AH0 N-IY0-Z JH-AH1-S T-L-AY1-K P-IY1 P-AH0 L-IH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 AE1 R-AH0-B K-AH1-N T-R-IY0-Z K-AO1-L-D F-AO1-R CH-EY1-N-JH


they're fighting together with forces that are loyal to former president saleh. and on the other side, you have forces loyal to the new hadi government.

TH-EH1-R F-AY1 T-IH0-NG T-AH0 G-EH1 DH-ER0 W-IH1-DH F-AO1-R S-IH0-Z DH-AE1 T-AA1-R L-OY1 AH0-L T-UW1 F-AO1-R M-ER0 P-R-EH1 Z-AH0 D-EH2-N-T S-AA1 L-EH0 HH-AH0-N D-AA1-N DH-AH0 AH1 DH-ER0 S-AY1 D-Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V F-AO1-R S-IH0 Z-L-OY1 AH0-L T-UW1 DH-AH0 N-UW1 HH-AA1 D-IY0 G-AH1 V-ER0 M-AH0-N-T


the houthis have long unresolved grievances in yemen.

DH-AH0 HH-AW1 TH-IY0-Z HH-AE1 V-L-AO1 NG-AH0 N-R-IH0 Z-AA1-L-V-D G-R-IY1 V-AH0-N S-AH0 Z-IH0 N-Y-EH1 M-AH0-N


they accuse iran of backing the houthis but tehran denies any involvement.

DH-EY1 AH0 K-Y-UW1 Z-IH0 R-AA1 N-AH1-V B-AE1 K-IH0-NG DH-AH0 HH-AW1 TH-IY0-Z B-AH1-T T-EY2 R-AA1-N D-IH0 N-AY1 Z-EH1 N-IY0 IH0-N V-AA1-L V-M-AH0-N-T


ali abdullah saleh has plunged yemen into even more uncertainty.

AA1 L-IY0 AE2-B D-AH1 L-AH0 S-AA1 L-EH0-HH HH-AE1-Z P-L-AH1-N-JH D-Y-EH1 M-AH0 N-IH0-N T-UW1 IY1 V-IH0-N M-AO1 R-AH0-N S-ER1 T-AH0-N T-IY0


and now houthis are firing missiles at the saudis, who in return are bombing yemen with a vengeance.

AH0-N D-N-AW1 HH-AW1 TH-IY0 Z-AA1-R F-AY1 R-IH0-NG M-IH1 S-AH0-L Z-AE1-T DH-AH0 S-AO1 D-IY0-Z HH-UW1 IH0 N-R-IH0 T-ER1 N-AA1-R B-AA1 M-IH0 NG-Y-EH1 M-AH0 N-W-IH1 DH-AH0 V-EH1-N JH-AH0-N-S


sakena used to bring her little one to nursery.

S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 Y-UW1-Z-D T-UW1 B-R-IH1-NG HH-ER0 L-IH1 T-AH0 L-W-AH1-N T-UW1 N-ER1 S-ER0 IY0


so she leaves him with her parents. and after a quick breakfast, she heads down to heat up her car.hello.

S-OW1 SH-IY1 L-IY1-V-Z HH-IH1 M-W-IH1-DH HH-ER0 P-EH1 R-AH0-N-T S-AH0-N D-AE1-F T-ER0 AH0 K-W-IH1-K B-R-EH1-K F-AH0-S-T SH-IY1 HH-EH1-D-Z D-AW1-N T-UW1 HH-IY1 T-AH1-P HH-ER0 K-AA2-R HH-EH1 L-OW0


sakena's drive to work is actually pretty long. she used to live just five minutes away but now it's half an hour past.

S-EY1 K-AH0 N-AH0-S D-R-AY1-V T-UW1 W-ER1 K-IH1 Z-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 P-R-IH1 T-IY0 L-AO1-NG SH-IY1 Y-UW1-S-T T-UW1 L-AY1-V JH-AH1-S-T F-AY1 V-M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0 W-EY1 B-AH1 T-N-AW1 IH1-T-S HH-AE1 F-AE1 N-AW1 ER0 P-AE1-S-T


she's already had to evacuate twice. and now she lives with her brother-

SH-EH1 S-AO0-L R-EH1 D-IY0 HH-AE1-D T-UW1 IH0 V-AE1 K-Y-AH0 EY2-T T-W-AY1 S-AH0-N D-N-AW1 SH-IY1 L-IH1-V Z-W-IH1-DH HH-ER0 B-R-AH1 DH-ER0


his wife, their baby, both of her parents and her son in an area that's a little bit safer.

HH-IH1 Z-W-AY1-F DH-EH1-R B-EY1 B-IY0 B-OW1 TH-AH1-V HH-ER0 P-EH1 R-AH0-N-T S-AH0-N-D HH-ER0 S-AH1 N-IH0 N-AE1 N-EH1 R-IY0 AH0 TH-AE1-T S-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L B-IH1-T S-EY1 F-ER0


she's what ngos would call an internally displaced person. there are-

SH-EH1 S-W-AH1-T G-OW1 Z-W-UH1-D K-AO1 L-AE1 N-IH0-N T-ER1 N-AH0 L-IY0 D-IH0-S P-L-EY1-S-T P-ER1 S-AH0-N DH-EH1 R-AA1-R


but we don't really see the usual pictures of people living in un tents. and there's a reason for that.

B-AH1 T-W-IY1 D-AA1-N T-R-IH1 L-IY0 S-IY1 DH-AH0 Y-UW1 ZH-AH0 W-AH0-L P-IH1-K CH-ER0 Z-AH1-V P-IY1 P-AH0-L L-IH1 V-IH0 NG-IH0 N-AH1-N T-EH1-N-T S-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-R Z-AH0 R-IY1 Z-AH0-N F-AO1-R DH-AE1-T


that's indeed a sad reality. but until that time comes the streets-

TH-AE1-T S-IH0-N D-IY1 D-AH0 S-AE1 D-R-IY0 AE1 L-AH0 T-IY0 B-AH1 T-AH0-N T-IH1-L DH-AE1-T T-AY1-M K-AH1-M-Z DH-AH0-S T-R-IY1-T-S


to save fuel, people are finding work-

T-UW1 S-EY1-V F-Y-UW1 AH0-L P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AA1-R F-AY1-N D-IH0 NG-W-ER1-K


... around us and annas voice messages to me have this recurring theme of saving fuel. there's this one time when sakena things she can use a weekend day to run a bank errand.

ER0 AW1-N D-AH1 S-AH0-N D-AE1 N-AH0-Z V-OY1 S-M-EH1 S-AH0 JH-AH0-Z T-UW1 M-IY1 HH-AE1-V DH-IH1 S-R-IH0 K-ER1 IH0-NG TH-IY1 M-AH1-V S-EY1 V-IH0-NG F-Y-UW1 AH0-L DH-EH1-R-Z DH-IH1 S-W-AH1-N T-AY1 M-W-EH1-N S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 TH-IH1-NG-Z SH-IY1 K-AE1 N-Y-UW1 Z-AH0 W-IY1 K-EH2-N-D D-EY1 T-UW1 R-AH1 N-AH0 B-AE1-NG K-EH1 R-AH0-N-D


at the end of the day annas and sakena get home exhausted. but for sakena this is the best part of her day, when she gets to see her little one.

AE1-T DH-AH0 EH1-N D-AH1-V DH-AH0 D-EY1 AE1 N-AH0 Z-AH0-N-D S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 G-EH1-T HH-OW1 M-IH0-G Z-AO1-S T-AH0-D B-AH1-T F-AO1-R S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 DH-IH1 S-IH1-Z DH-AH0 B-EH1-S-T P-AA1-R T-AH1-V HH-ER0 D-EY1 W-EH1-N SH-IY1 G-EH1-T-S T-UW1 S-IY1 HH-ER0 L-IH1 T-AH0 L-W-AH1-N


sakena thinks about ilias all the time. she rushes to him when he's upset and gets emotional whenever she imagines his future-

S-AA0 K-EY1 N-AH0 TH-IH1-NG-K S-AH0 B-AW1 T-IH1 L-IY0 AH0 Z-AO1-L DH-AH0 T-AY1-M SH-IY1 R-AH1 SH-AH0-Z T-UW1 HH-IH1 M-W-EH1-N HH-IY1 Z-AH0-P S-EH1 T-AH0-N-D G-EH1-T S-IH0 M-OW1 SH-AH0 N-AH0 L-W-EH0 N-EH1 V-ER0 SH-IY1 IH0 M-AE1 JH-AH0-N-Z HH-IH1-Z F-Y-UW1 CH-ER0


... just like any other mum or so you'd think. war does unthinkable things to people, even mothers.

JH-AH1-S T-L-AY1 K-EH1 N-IY0 AH1 DH-ER0 M-AH1 M-AO1-R S-OW1 Y-AH1-D TH-IH1-NG K-W-AO1-R D-AH1 Z-AH0-N TH-IH1-NG K-AH0 B-AH0-L TH-IH1-NG-Z T-UW1 P-IY1 P-AH0 L-IY1 V-IH0-N M-AH1 DH-ER0-Z


here's an instance when nadine visited some charity recipients in a nutrition clinic. and there-

HH-IH1-R Z-AE1 N-IH1-N-S T-AH0-N S-W-EH1-N N-AH0 D-IY1-N V-IH1 Z-AH0 T-AH0-D S-AH1-M CH-EH1 R-IH0 T-IY0 R-IH0 S-IH1 P-IY0 AH0-N-T S-IH0 N-AH0 N-UW0 T-R-IH1 SH-AH0-N K-L-IH1 N-IH0 K-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-R


... children like fatma and her mother, is a challenge. because of the saudi led blockade-

CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0 N-L-AY1-K F-AA1 T-M-AH0 AH0-N-D HH-ER0 M-AH1 DH-ER0 IH1 Z-AH0 CH-AE1 L-AH0-N-JH B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-AH1-V DH-AH0 S-AO1 D-IY0 L-EH1-D B-L-AA2 K-EY1-D


... both annas and sakina consider themselves lucky in a way. lucky to be alive-

B-OW1 TH-AE1 N-AH0 Z-AH0-N-D S-AH0 K-IY1 N-AH0 K-AH0-N S-IH1 D-ER0 DH-EH0-M S-EH1-L-V Z-L-AH1 K-IY0 IH0 N-AH0 W-EY1 L-AH1 K-IY0 T-UW1 B-IY1 AH0 L-AY1-V


... lucky to have paying jobs, lucky to be able to take care of their families and loved ones.

L-AH1 K-IY0 T-UW1 HH-AE1-V P-EY1 IH0-NG JH-AA1-B Z-L-AH1 K-IY0 T-UW1 B-IY1 EY1 B-AH0-L T-UW1 T-EY1-K K-EH1 R-AH1-V DH-EH1-R F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0 Z-AH0-N D-L-AH1-V D-W-AH1-N-Z


it's difficult for yemenis to get visas.

IH1-T-S D-IH1 F-AH0 K-AH0-L-T F-AO1 R-Y-EH1 M-AH0 N-IY0-Z T-UW1 G-EH1-T V-IY1 Z-AH0-Z


let me come closer. i'll tell you what it is in a minute.

L-EH1 T-M-IY1 K-AH1-M K-L-OW1 S-ER0 IH1-L T-EH1 L-Y-UW1 W-AH1 T-IH1 T-IH1 Z-IH0 N-AH0 M-IH1 N-AH0-T


the plane is still screaming in the sky and-

DH-AH0 P-L-EY1 N-IH1-Z-S T-IH1-L-S K-R-IY1 M-IH0 NG-IH0-N DH-AH0-S K-AY1 AH0-N-D


if you were looking at a map, you would look sort of at the tip of the appalachian region in kentucky.that's my-

IH1 F-Y-UW1 W-ER0 L-UH1 K-IH0 NG-AE1 T-AH0 M-AE1 P-Y-UW1 W-UH1 D-L-UH1-K S-AO1-R T-AH1 V-AE1-T DH-AH0 T-IH1 P-AH1-V DH-AH0 AE2 P-AH0 L-EY1 CH-AH0 N-R-IY1 JH-AH0 N-IH0-N K-EH1-N T-AH0 K-W-AH0-T S-M-AY1


but despite that and despite its size, like i said, it's only 87 people. boonville got pretty famous just before the 2016 presidential election.

B-AH1-T D-IH0-S P-AY1-T DH-AE1 T-AH0-N-D D-IH0-S P-AY1 T-IH1-T-S S-AY1 Z-L-AY1 K-AY1 S-EH1 D-IH1-T S-OW1 N-L-IY0 EY1 T-IY0 S-EH1 V-AH0-N P-IY1 P-AH0-L B-UW1-N V-IH0-L G-AA1-T P-R-IH1 T-IY0 F-EY1 M-AH0-S JH-AH1-S-T B-IH0 F-AO1-R DH-AH0 T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 S-IH0-K-S T-IY1-N P-R-EH2 Z-AH0 D-EH1-N CH-AH0 L-IH0 L-EH1-K SH-AH0-N


... versus just another reporter who wants to do poverty porn but there's something else, right? another thought that-

V-ER1 S-AH0-S JH-AH1-S T-AH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 R-IH0 P-AO1-R T-ER0 HH-UW1 W-AA1-N-T-S T-UW1 D-UW1 P-AA1 V-ER0 T-IY0 P-AO1-R-N B-AH1-T DH-EH1-R-Z S-AH1-M TH-IH0 NG-EH1-L S-R-AY1 T-AH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 TH-AO1-T DH-AE1-T


i think that in some ways i can relate to boonville in some ways-

AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K DH-AE1 T-IH0-N S-AH1 M-W-EY1 Z-AY1 K-AE1 N-R-IH0 L-EY1-T T-UW1 B-UW1-N V-IH0 L-IH0-N S-AH1 M-W-EY1-Z


and i think that that experience-

AH0-N D-AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K DH-AE1-T DH-AE1 T-IH0-K-S P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-N-S


... the experience of having lived in trailer park at one point, lived in government housing at another.

DH-AH0 IH0-K-S P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-N S-AH1-V HH-AE1 V-IH0 NG-L-AY1-V D-IH0-N T-R-EY1 L-ER0 P-AA1-R K-AE1 T-W-AH1-N P-OY1-N T-L-AY1-V D-IH0-N G-AH1 V-ER0 M-AH0-N-T HH-AW1 Z-IH0 NG-AE1 T-AH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0


that experience informed my approach to boonville.

DH-AE1 T-IH0-K-S P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-N S-IH0-N F-AO1-R-M D-M-AY1 AH0 P-R-OW1-CH T-UW1 B-UW1-N V-IH0-L


i wouldn't say that, for instance, i felt the same way that they feel or something like that.

AY1 W-UH1 D-L-AH0-N-T S-EY1 DH-AE1-T F-AO1 R-IH1-N-S T-AH0-N S-AY1 F-EH1-L-T DH-AH0 S-EY1 M-W-EY1 DH-AE1-T DH-EY1 F-IY1 L-AO1-R S-AH1-M TH-IH0 NG-L-AY1-K DH-AE1-T


but i would say that it did kind of give me some guiding principles and maybe informed the way that i spoke to folks, the kind of questions-

B-AH1 T-AY1 W-UH1-D S-EY1 DH-AE1 T-IH1-T D-IH1-D K-AY1-N D-AH1-V G-IH1 V-M-IY1 S-AH1-M G-AY1 D-IH0-NG P-R-IH1-N S-AH0 P-AH0-L Z-AH0-N D-M-EY1 B-IY0 IH0-N F-AO1-R-M-D DH-AH0 W-EY1 DH-AE1 T-AY1-S P-OW1-K T-UW1 F-OW1-K-S DH-AH0 K-AY1-N D-AH1-V K-W-EH1-S CH-AH0-N-Z


... that i asked and the way that i approached the story at large.

DH-AE1 T-AY1 AE1-S-K T-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 W-EY1 DH-AE1 T-AY1 AH0 P-R-OW1-CH-T DH-AH0-S T-AO1 R-IY0 AE1 T-L-AA1-R-JH


as you sort of are going down this hill towards boonville-

AE1 Z-Y-UW1 S-AO1-R T-AH1 V-AA1-R G-OW1 IH0-NG D-AW1-N DH-IH1-S HH-IH1-L T-AH0 W-AO1-R-D-Z B-UW1-N V-IH0-L


... in the morning time, there's inevitably... it seemed like every day.

IH0-N DH-AH0 M-AO1-R N-IH0-NG T-AY1-M DH-EH1-R Z-IH0 N-EH1 V-AH0 T-AH0 B-L-IY0 IH1-T S-IY1-M D-L-AY1 K-EH1 V-ER0 IY0 D-EY1


just intense cloud of mist in the morning, of fog.

JH-AH1-S T-IH0-N T-EH1-N-S K-L-AW1 D-AH1 V-M-IH1-S T-IH0-N DH-AH0 M-AO1-R N-IH0 NG-AH1-V F-AA1-G


you could imagine that there would be car accidents because of it. when you get into the town itself-

Y-UW1 K-UH1 D-IH0 M-AE1 JH-AH0-N DH-AE1-T DH-EH1 R-W-UH1-D B-IY1 K-AA1 R-AE1-K S-AH0 D-AH0-N-T-S B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-AH1 V-IH1 T-W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 G-EH1 T-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AH0 T-AW1 N-IH0-T S-EH1-L-F


... you'll pass a dollar general. a dollar general is a sort of discount store in the united states.

Y-UW1-L P-AE1 S-AH0 D-AA1 L-ER0 JH-EH1 N-ER0 AH0 L-AH0 D-AA1 L-ER0 JH-EH1 N-ER0 AH0 L-IH1 Z-AH0 S-AO1-R T-AH1-V D-IH1-S K-AW0-N-T-S T-AO1 R-IH0-N DH-AH0 Y-UW0 N-AY1 T-AH0-D-S T-EY1-T-S


you go over a little bridge and there's the town hall right there in the middle.

Y-UW1 G-OW1 OW1 V-ER0 AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L B-R-IH1 JH-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-R-Z DH-AH0 T-AW1-N HH-AO1-L R-AY1-T DH-EH1 R-IH0-N DH-AH0 M-IH1 D-AH0-L


it's very small. i mean, that serves as sort of the nucleus of the town.

IH1-T-S V-EH1 R-IY0 S-M-AO1 L-AY1 M-IY1-N DH-AE1-T S-ER1-V Z-AE1-Z S-AO1-R T-AH1-V DH-AH0 N-UW1 K-L-IY0 AH0 S-AH1-V DH-AH0 T-AW1-N


... the town hall. around that you have an old closed down barbershop, an old closed down cafe.

DH-AH0 T-AW1-N HH-AO1 L-ER0 AW1-N-D DH-AE1 T-Y-UW1 HH-AE1 V-AE1 N-OW1-L-D K-L-OW1-Z-D D-AW1-N B-AA1-R B-ER0 SH-AA2 P-AE1 N-OW1-L-D K-L-OW1-Z-D D-AW1-N K-AH0 F-EY1


there's many churches in the town and then there's an office for veterans and there's one cafe that's still open.

DH-EH1-R Z-M-EH1 N-IY0 CH-ER1 CH-AH0 Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 T-AW1 N-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-N DH-EH1-R Z-AE1 N-AO1 F-AH0-S F-AO1-R V-EH1 T-ER0 AH0-N Z-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-R Z-W-AH1-N K-AH0 F-EY1 TH-AE1-T-S-S T-IH1 L-OW1 P-AH0-N


old bus stop diner, sounds like something straight out of the movies like fargo or something.

OW1-L-D B-AH1-S-S T-AA1-P D-AY1 N-ER0 S-AW1-N-D Z-L-AY1-K S-AH1-M TH-IH0-NG-S T-R-EY1 T-AW1 T-AH1-V DH-AH0 M-UW1 V-IY0 Z-L-AY1-K F-AA1-R G-OW2 AO1-R S-AH1-M TH-IH0-NG


stepping into a place like this is a bit awkward for a stranger.

S-T-EH1 P-IH0 NG-IH0-N T-UW1 AH0 P-L-EY1 S-L-AY1-K DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-AH0 B-IH1 T-AA1 K-W-ER0-D F-AO1 R-AH0-S T-R-EY1-N JH-ER0


it's the kind of place where everybody knows everybody.

IH1-T-S DH-AH0 K-AY1-N D-AH1-V P-L-EY1 S-W-EH1 R-EH1 V-R-IY0 B-AA2 D-IY0 N-OW1 Z-EH1 V-R-IY0 B-AA2 D-IY0


the old bus stop diner is kind of the meeting place of everybody in town.

DH-AH0 OW1-L-D B-AH1-S-S T-AA1-P D-AY1 N-ER0 IH1-Z K-AY1-N D-AH1-V DH-AH0 M-IY1 T-IH0-NG P-L-EY1 S-AH1 V-EH1 V-R-IY0 B-AA2 D-IY0 IH0-N T-AW1-N


i mean, there's a bunch of old men sitting around, smoking cigarettes and just shouldn't-

AY1 M-IY1-N DH-EH1-R Z-AH0 B-AH1-N CH-AH1 V-OW1-L D-M-EH1-N S-IH1 T-IH0 NG-ER0 AW1-N-D S-M-OW1 K-IH0-NG S-IH2 G-ER0 EH1-T S-AH0-N-D JH-AH1-S-T SH-OW1-L T-AH0-N-T


[inaudible 00:04:33] some of them are telling jokes, some of them are just hanging out.

IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z F-AO1-R M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D TH-ER1 D-IY0 TH-R-IY1 S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D-Z S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-EH1 M-AA1-R T-EH1 L-IH0-NG JH-OW1-K-S S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-EH1 M-AA1-R JH-AH1-S-T HH-AE1 NG-IH0 NG-AW1-T


some of them are waiting to go to work, some of them don't have work.

S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-EH1 M-AA1 R-W-EY1 T-IH0-NG T-UW1 G-OW1 T-UW1 W-ER1-K S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-EH1-M D-AA1-N-T HH-AE1 V-W-ER1-K


it's a really interesting place. there's a lot of life in it.

IH1-T S-AH0 R-IH1 L-IY0 IH1-N T-R-AH0-S T-IH0-NG P-L-EY1-S DH-EH1-R Z-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1 V-L-AY1 F-IH0 N-IH1-T


[inaudible 00:04:49] is a 68 year old guy whose sort of done everything. he was a volunteer deputy sheriff at one point, i think in the '70s.

IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z F-AO1-R M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D F-AO1-R T-IY0 N-AY1-N S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-IH1 Z-AH0 S-IH1-K-S T-IY0 EY1 T-Y-IH1 R-OW1-L-D G-AY1 HH-UW1-Z S-AO1-R T-AH1-V D-AH1 N-EH1 V-R-IY0 TH-IH2-NG HH-IY1 W-AA1 Z-AH0 V-AA2 L-AH0-N T-IH1-R D-EH1 P-Y-AH0 T-IY0 SH-EH1 R-AH0 F-AE1 T-W-AH1-N P-OY1-N T-AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-IH0-N DH-AH0 S-EH1 V-AH0-N T-IY0-Z


he worked as a guard at the local school at some point. until today, he mows and does the landscaping at the local cemetery.

HH-IY1 W-ER1-K T-AE1 Z-AH0 G-AA1-R D-AE1-T DH-AH0 L-OW1 K-AH0-L-S K-UW1 L-AE1-T S-AH1-M P-OY1-N T-AH0-N T-IH1-L T-AH0 D-EY1 HH-IY1 M-AW1 Z-AH0-N-D D-AH1-Z DH-AH0 L-AE1-N-D-S K-EY2 P-IH0 NG-AE1-T DH-AH0 L-OW1 K-AH0-L S-EH1 M-AH0 T-EH2 R-IY0


most people there consider him sort of the town's oral historian because he knows the background of everybody's families-

M-OW1-S-T P-IY1 P-AH0-L DH-EH1-R K-AH0-N S-IH1 D-ER0 HH-IH1-M S-AO1-R T-AH1-V DH-AH0 T-AW1-N Z-AO1 R-AH0-L HH-IH0-S T-AO1 R-IY0 AH0-N B-IH0 K-AO1-Z HH-IY1 N-OW1-Z DH-AH0 B-AE1-K G-R-AW2-N D-AH1 V-EH1 V-R-IY0 B-AA2 D-IY0-Z F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0-Z


... to the old bus stop diner. he could point at them and then say the last five generations of their family's history right away off the top of his head.

T-UW1 DH-AH0 OW1-L-D B-AH1-S-S T-AA1-P D-AY1 N-ER0 HH-IY1 K-UH1-D P-OY1-N T-AE1-T DH-EH1 M-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-N S-EY1 DH-AH0 L-AE1-S-T F-AY1-V JH-EH2 N-ER0 EY1 SH-AH0-N Z-AH1-V DH-EH1-R F-AE1 M-AH0 L-AH0-S HH-IH1-S T-ER0 IY0 R-AY1 T-AH0 W-EY1 AO1-F DH-AH0 T-AA1 P-AH1-V HH-IH1-Z HH-EH1-D


there in boonville with his grandparents from a young age, they were very poor and very religious family, very conservative.

DH-EH1 R-IH0-N B-UW1-N V-IH0 L-W-IH1-DH HH-IH1-Z G-R-AE1-N-D P-EH2 R-AH0-N-T-S F-R-AH1 M-AH0 Y-AH1 NG-EY1-JH DH-EY1 W-ER0 V-EH1 R-IY0 P-UH1 R-AH0-N-D V-EH1 R-IY0 R-IH0 L-IH1 JH-AH0-S F-AE1 M-AH0 L-IY0 V-EH1 R-IY0 K-AH0-N S-ER1 V-AH0 T-IH0-V


didn't finish school. he had to start working for his-

D-IH1 D-AH0-N-T F-IH1 N-IH0-SH-S K-UW1-L HH-IY1 HH-AE1-D T-UW1-S T-AA1-R T-W-ER1 K-IH0-NG F-AO1-R HH-IH1-Z


and then he spent most of his life there.

AH0-N-D DH-EH1-N HH-IY1-S P-EH1-N T-M-OW1-S T-AH1-V HH-IH1 Z-L-AY1-F DH-EH1-R


that could be a half hour, it could be more. folks who go to university have to drive.

DH-AE1-T K-UH1-D B-IY1 AH0 HH-AE1 F-AW1 ER0 IH1-T K-UH1-D B-IY1 M-AO1-R F-OW1-K-S HH-UW1 G-OW1 T-UW1 Y-UW2 N-AH0 V-ER1 S-AH0 T-IY0 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 D-R-AY1-V


i think the closest university is about an hour, an hour and a half away. for young people-

AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K DH-AH0 K-L-OW1 S-AH0-S T-Y-UW2 N-AH0 V-ER1 S-AH0 T-IY0 IH1 Z-AH0 B-AW1 T-AE1 N-AW1 ER0 AE1 N-AW1 ER0 AH0-N D-AH0 HH-AE1 F-AH0 W-EY1 F-AO1 R-Y-AH1-NG P-IY1 P-AH0-L


... it seems like there's not a lot to do. that's what i was told over and over again.

IH1-T S-IY1-M Z-L-AY1-K DH-EH1-R Z-N-AA1 T-AH0 L-AA1-T T-UW1 D-UW1 TH-AE1-T S-W-AH1 T-AY1 W-AA1-Z T-OW1-L D-OW1 V-ER0 AH0-N D-OW1 V-ER0 AH0 G-EH1-N


the cinema closed down many years ago, the drive-in movie theater closed down many years ago.

DH-AH0 S-IH1 N-AH0 M-AH0 K-L-OW1-Z-D D-AW1-N M-EH1 N-IY0 Y-IH1-R Z-AH0 G-OW1 DH-AH0 D-R-AY1 V-IH0-N M-UW1 V-IY0 TH-IY1 AH0 T-ER0 K-L-OW1-Z-D D-AW1-N M-EH1 N-IY0 Y-IH1-R Z-AH0 G-OW1


most of the restaurants and most of the grocery stores-

M-OW1-S T-AH1-V DH-AH0 R-EH1-S T-ER0 AA2-N-T S-AH0-N D-M-OW1-S T-AH1-V DH-AH0 G-R-OW1 S-ER0 IY0-S T-AO1-R-Z


... most of the hardware stores, all of this stuff closed down years ago.

M-OW1-S T-AH1-V DH-AH0 HH-AA1-R D-W-EH2-R-S T-AO1-R Z-AO1 L-AH1-V DH-IH1-S-S T-AH1-F K-L-OW1-Z-D D-AW1 N-Y-IH1-R Z-AH0 G-OW1


for instance, when walmart was opened up in a neighboring county-

F-AO1 R-IH1-N-S T-AH0-N S-W-EH1 N-W-AO1-L M-AA2-R T-W-AA1 Z-OW1 P-AH0-N D-AH1 P-IH0 N-AH0 N-EY1 B-ER0 IH0-NG K-AW1-N T-IY0


... they couldn't compete. life is immensely quiet.

DH-EY1 K-AW1-L D-AH0-N-T K-AH0-M P-IY1 T-L-AY1 F-IH1 Z-IH0 M-EH1-N S-L-IY0 K-W-AY1 AH0-T


you're not going to see tons of folks out because there's not many places to go.

Y-UH1-R N-AA1-T G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 S-IY1 T-AH1-N Z-AH1-V F-OW1-K S-AW1-T B-IH0 K-AO1-Z DH-EH1-R Z-N-AA1 T-M-EH1 N-IY0 P-L-EY1 S-AH0-Z T-UW1 G-OW1


we have food that we give to the senior citizens on the main back shelf back there and this-

W-IY1 HH-AE1-V F-UW1-D DH-AE1 T-W-IY1 G-IH1-V T-UW1 DH-AH0 S-IY1 N-Y-ER0 S-IH1 T-AH0 Z-AH0-N Z-AA1-N DH-AH0 M-EY1-N B-AE1-K SH-EH1-L-F B-AE1-K DH-EH1 R-AH0-N-D DH-IH1-S


... section is snacks for the children and to go in their food bags.

S-EH1-K SH-AH0 N-IH1-Z S-N-AE1-K-S F-AO1-R DH-AH0 CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0 N-AH0-N-D T-UW1 G-OW1 IH0-N DH-EH1-R F-UW1-D B-AE1-G-Z


bags would have rats where they'd been eaten on.

B-AE1-G Z-W-UH1-D HH-AE1 V-R-AE1-T S-W-EH1-R TH-IY1-D B-IH1 N-IY1 T-AH0 N-AA1-N


and then i found out i was getting contaminated from meth, from those that came with these bags.

AH0-N-D DH-EH1 N-AY1 F-AW1-N D-AW1 T-AY1 W-AA1-Z G-EH1 T-IH0-NG K-AH0-N T-AE1 M-AH0 N-EY2 T-AH0-D F-R-AH1-M M-EH1-TH F-R-AH1-M DH-OW1-Z DH-AE1-T K-EY1 M-W-IH1-DH DH-IY1-Z B-AE1-G-Z


everybody's is into their selves. they're not thinking about the children.

EH1 V-R-IY0 B-AA2 D-IY0 Z-IH1 Z-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-EH1-R S-EH1-L-V-Z TH-EH1-R N-AA1-T TH-IH1-NG K-IH0 NG-AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0-N


nobody really actually knows how many people live there.

N-OW1 B-AA2 D-IY2 R-IH1 L-IY0 AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 N-OW1-Z HH-AW1 M-EH1 N-IY0 P-IY1 P-AH0-L L-AY1-V DH-EH1-R


it's so densely populated and of course it's all technically illegal because nobody has papers for the land.

IH1-T-S S-OW1 D-EH1-N S-L-IY0 P-AA1 P-Y-AH0 L-EY2 T-AH0 D-AH0-N D-AH1-V K-AO1-R S-IH1-T S-AO1-L T-EH1 K-N-IH0 K-AH0 L-IY0 IH0 L-IY1 G-AH0-L B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-N-OW1 B-AA2 D-IY2 HH-AE1-Z P-EY1 P-ER0-Z F-AO1-R DH-AH0 L-AE1-N-D


and we're talking about it as kenya's biggest slum but sometimes when you're reading in articles about it or watching videos-

AH0-N D-W-ER0 T-AO1 K-IH0 NG-AH0 B-AW1 T-IH1 T-AE1-Z K-EH1 N-Y-AH0-Z B-IH1 G-AH0-S-T S-L-AH1-M B-AH1-T S-AH0-M T-AY1-M Z-W-EH1 N-Y-UH1-R R-EH1 D-IH0 NG-IH0 N-AA1-R T-AH0 K-AH0-L Z-AH0 B-AW1 T-IH1 T-AO1 R-W-AA1 CH-IH0-NG V-IH1 D-IY0 OW0-Z


... it's actually described as africa's biggest slum. you'll find wildly varying figures for its size.

IH1-T S-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 D-IH0-S K-R-AY1-B D-AE1 Z-AE1 F-R-AH0 K-AH0-Z B-IH1 G-AH0-S-T S-L-AH1 M-Y-UW1-L F-AY1-N D-W-AY1-L D-L-IY0 V-EH1 R-IY0 IH0-NG F-IH1 G-Y-ER0-Z F-AO1 R-IH1-T-S S-AY1-Z


sometimes it's as big as a million residents.wow.the most accurate study-

S-AH0-M T-AY1-M Z-IH1-T S-AE1-Z B-IH1 G-AE1 Z-AH0 M-IH1 L-Y-AH0 N-R-EH2 Z-AH0 D-AH1-S-T HH-AW2 TH-M-OW1-S T-AE1 K-Y-ER0 AH0-T-S T-AH1 D-IY0


... i could find, which was conducted by the french institute for research in africa-

AY1 K-UH1-D F-AY1-N D-W-IH1 CH-W-AA1-Z K-AH0-N D-AH1-K T-AH0-D B-AY1 DH-AH0 F-R-EH1-N CH-IH1-N-S T-AH0 T-UW2-T F-AO1-R R-IY0 S-ER1 CH-IH0 N-AE1 F-R-AH0 K-AH0


... they came to around 200,000 residents which i think is fairly accurate.

DH-EY1 K-EY1-M T-UW1 ER0 AW1-N-D T-UW1 HH-AH1-N D-R-AH0-D TH-AW1 Z-AH0-N D-R-EH1 Z-IH0 D-AH0-N-T S-W-IH1 CH-AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-IH1-Z F-EH1-R L-IY0 AE1 K-Y-ER0 AH0-T


it's huge but it's not a million people.

IH1-T-S HH-Y-UW1-JH B-AH1 T-IH1-T S-N-AA1 T-AH0 M-IH1 L-Y-AH0-N P-IY1 P-AH0-L


it's not that big. if our listeners want to see how densely populated it is, they can actually head over to google-

IH1-T S-N-AA1-T DH-AE1-T B-IH1 G-IH1 F-AW1 ER0 L-IH1 S-AH0 N-ER0 Z-W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 S-IY1 HH-AW1 D-EH1-N S-L-IY0 P-AA1 P-Y-AH0 L-EY2 T-AH0 D-IH1 T-IH1-Z DH-EY1 K-AE1 N-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 HH-EH1 D-OW1 V-ER0 T-UW1 G-UW1 G-AH0-L


... satellite view and look at kibera from the air. you can barely see any roads.

S-AE1 T-AH0 L-AY2-T V-Y-UW1 AH0-N D-L-UH1 K-AE1-T K-IH0 B-EH1 R-AH0 F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 EH1 R-Y-UW1 K-AE1-N B-EH1-R L-IY0 S-IY1 EH1 N-IY0 R-OW1-D-Z


they're mainly small alleyways of mud in between-

TH-EH1-R M-EY1 N-L-IY0 S-M-AO1 L-AE1 L-IY0 W-EY2 Z-AH1 V-M-AH1 D-IH0-N B-IH0 T-W-IY1-N


... these tightly packed homes which are themselves mostly made of mud.

DH-IY1-Z T-AY1 T-L-IY0 P-AE1-K-T HH-OW1-M Z-W-IH1 CH-AA1-R DH-EH0-M S-EH1-L-V Z-M-OW1-S T-L-IY0 M-EY1 D-AH1 V-M-AH1-D


you see hassan in kibera, i told you don't step on any plastic paper bag you see on the road.

Y-UW1 S-IY1 HH-AH0 S-AA1 N-IH0-N K-IH0 B-EH1 R-AH0 AY1 T-OW1-L D-Y-UW1 D-AA1-N-T-S T-EH1 P-AA1 N-EH1 N-IY0 P-L-AE1-S T-IH0-K P-EY1 P-ER0 B-AE1 G-Y-UW1 S-IY1 AA1-N DH-AH0 R-OW1-D


why?people here pooh on the paper bags at night and they tie it and throw it away-

W-AY1 P-OW2 P-AH0-L HH-IY1-R P-UW1 AA1-N DH-AH0 P-EY1 P-ER0 B-AE1-G Z-AE1 T-N-AY1 T-AH0-N-D DH-EY1 T-AY1 IH1 T-AH0-N-D TH-R-OW1 IH1 T-AH0 W-EY1


... with [inaudible 00:08:24].these are all full of-full of human shit my friend.he tried and tried and-

W-IH1 DH-IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0 Z-EY1 T-M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 F-AO1-R S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D-Z DH-IY1 Z-AA1 R-AO1-L F-UH1 L-AO1 F-AH0 L-AH1-V HH-Y-UW1 M-AH0-N SH-IH1 T-M-AY1 F-R-EH1-N-D T-R-AY1 D-AH0-N-D T-R-AY1 D-AH0-N-D


... somehow despite his best efforts, he always ended up saying this bad word and in the end we just gave up and used it as it was.

S-AH1-M HH-AW2 D-IH0-S P-AY1-T HH-IH1-Z B-EH1-S T-EH1 F-ER0-T-S HH-IY1 AO1 L-W-EY2 Z-EH1-N D-AH0 D-AH1-P S-EY1 IH0-NG DH-IH1-S B-AE1 D-W-ER1 D-AH0-N D-IH0-N DH-AH0 EH1-N D-W-IY1 JH-AH1-S-T G-EY1 V-AH1 P-AH0-N D-Y-UW1-S T-IH1 T-AE1 Z-IH1 T-W-AA1-Z


[inaudible 00:08:39] you'll see these long rubber pipes, sometimes, maybe 10 of them next to each other.

IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0 Z-EY1 T-M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D TH-ER1 D-IY0 N-AY1-N S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-Y-UW1-L S-IY1 DH-IY1 Z-L-AO1 NG-R-AH1 B-ER0 P-AY1-P-S S-AH0-M T-AY1-M Z-M-EY1 B-IY0 T-EH1 N-AH1-V DH-EH1-M N-EH1-K-S-T T-UW1 IY1 CH-AH1 DH-ER0


considering all of this hassan, what's the impact on the health of the people there?

K-AH0-N S-IH1 D-ER0 IH0 NG-AO1 L-AH1-V DH-IH1-S HH-AH0 S-AA1 N-W-AH0-T-S DH-AH0 IH1-M P-AE0-K T-AA1-N DH-AH0 HH-EH1-L TH-AH1-V DH-AH0 P-IY1 P-AH0-L DH-EH1-R


little projects that have sprung up around kibera to try and find ways to solve the problem. we met a youth group that built a batch of public-

L-IH1 T-AH0-L P-R-AA1 JH-EH0-K-T-S DH-AE1-T HH-AE1-V-S P-R-AH1 NG-AH1 P-ER0 AW1-N-D K-IH0 B-EH1 R-AH0 T-UW1 T-R-AY1 AH0-N-D F-AY1-N D-W-EY1-Z T-UW1 S-AA1-L-V DH-AH0 P-R-AA1 B-L-AH0 M-W-IY1 M-EH1 T-AH0 Y-UW1-TH G-R-UW1-P DH-AE1-T B-IH1-L T-AH0 B-AE1 CH-AH1-V P-AH1 B-L-IH0-K


... toilets and what they do is they charge locals-

T-OY1 L-AH0-T S-AH0-N D-W-AH1-T DH-EY1 D-UW1 IH1-Z DH-EY1 CH-AA1-R JH-L-OW1 K-AH0-L-Z


to use these bathrooms. number one or number two.okay.that keeps the waste off the streets and also gives these guys a source of income and employment.

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the guy we interviewed, one of the youth leaders, his name is hassan abdulkadir.

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he told us that a lot of his group had actually been involved in serious criminal activity.

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okay. that all helps a bit with the sanitation and the petty crime but what about the much bigger issue of people having access to clean water?

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but i imagine it's a bit problematic to get the water to the people and thus bypass the water cartels, right?

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the same ngo also runs another project.

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and that's where you met victoria, who was one of the main characters of the story.

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one of the first things she told us was that people would mock her in the beginning for attending the classes.

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they'd say things like, "oh, you're a mother, and you're going to school-

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... why are you wasting your time? just stay at home and look after your kids," and so on.

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but she ignored all these naysayers. she didn't let them bother her, and i personally really admired her for that.

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by the time we filmed her, she'd been studying for two years, and she absolutely loved it.

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[inaudible 00:00:52]. that's good.she really was an inspiration to both me and my al jazeera colleague, mohammed tayeb as we were filming her.

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this woman, who grew up in this slum, against all the odds,

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... she was fighting to change her life and give her kids also the best possible future.

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[inaudible 00:01:24].

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most of their stations in our country,

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but when there is like positive or negative, we promote their film or we are there for them, always.

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ask the question because you'll end up having a lot of enemies, but...

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with the police passing by, find a policeman, taking bribe, maybe ask, hey,

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what are you going to report?so...

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wow, so despite all this, they're still really popular. why is that?

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yeah, it's definitely again, got caught up in that, [crosstalk 00:01:59]but that...

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i was just a mayor. whenever it came...

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presedent and when i realized that it was running into millions...

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my police force. i do not need civilians to do it. and why should i commission somebody to kill another?

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when i can always use the police? just order them to get them. if i...

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when you rape my daughter, would you think even, wait, what do you think my...`

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anger can wait justice? of course not. i will kill you.

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are they finding the figures or those are actual hard...[crosstalk 00:02:52].i think...

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evidence?well, the hard evidence is according to the...

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it's only 1.6 million filipinos. so his critics are saying that, of course the duterte would just try to exaggerate the numbers because...

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he wants to justify his all out war on drugs.

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so for short, governments take their cues from the public, but that also goes the other way.

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governments also affect what people think is normal and acceptable behavior.

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house to taste attitude of shoot first and...

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maybe ask questions later, effecting the filipino society.

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i'm saying, wait, this isn't right. who's standing up to the president?

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now, have you guys approached david mayfield by, at all?

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[inaudible 00:03:47].

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i think we have deborah davis on. hi, deborah. we got you at last. congratulations on the documentary. it's explosive, eh?

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so you walked into a charity where they'd increase the casework.

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in the private rented sector where they have private landlords rather than social housing.and is that a bad thing? is that a good thing?well,

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do you think the government sees you as a friend or an enemy.

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well, i think one, it's part of your strategy it's then thinking through the skill set and the methodology you want for you. i mean, i have been really lucky to have been...

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traction on our website to join our mailing list as well.

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so people can find it. then i have one final question for you. do you drink tea? and if so, how do you like it?

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i love tea.


really good. thank you very much for sharing the really important critical information we have.

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for a very kind and generous introduction.

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i feel privileged to be speaking to someone with so much experience. so thank you for taking the time to talk to me.

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that's peaceful. so tell me a little bit about orphan denise. what do you do? what's the charity size?

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of course, i don't think that there is a specific stage that you need to think that now we are at a major gifts.

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that's maybe the wrong definition of major gifts,

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but here, someone comes who gives you 500. that becomes your major gift. that becomes your major donor. so maybe you need to find more of them.

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those who can give you 500 or maybe you need to find out about.

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that person was giving you 500, that can, he gives you 5,000, perhaps.

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do you think you need to know a lot of rich people to start major donor fundraising? do you have to have those connections already?

D-UW1 Y-UW1 TH-IH1-NG K-Y-UW1 N-IY1-D T-UW1 N-OW1 AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1 V-R-IH1-CH P-IY1 P-AH0-L T-UW1-S T-AA1-R T-M-EY1 JH-ER0 D-OW1 N-ER0 F-AH1-N D-R-EY2 S-IH0-NG D-UW1 Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 HH-AE1-V DH-OW1-Z K-AH0 N-EH1-K SH-AH0-N Z-AO0-L R-EH1 D-IY0


so your starting point would just be, look at everyone who's donating to you. and if there's any slightly larger than average gifts, they're worth investing in, with the timing?

S-OW1 Y-AO1-R-S T-AA1-R T-IH0-NG P-OY1-N T-W-UH1-D JH-AH1-S-T B-IY1 L-UH1 K-AE1 T-EH1 V-R-IY0 W-AH2-N HH-UW1-Z D-OW1 N-EY2 T-IH0-NG T-UW1 Y-UW1 AH0-N D-IH1-F DH-EH1-R Z-EH1 N-IY0 S-L-AY1 T-L-IY0 L-AA1-R JH-ER0 DH-AE1 N-AE1 V-ER0 IH0-JH G-IH1-F-T-S TH-EH1 R-W-ER1 TH-IH0-N V-EH1-S T-IH0 NG-IH0 N-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 T-AY1 M-IH0-NG


yeah. they might know someone who knows someone or...

Y-AE1 DH-EY1 M-AY1 T-N-OW1 S-AH1 M-W-AH2-N HH-UW1 N-OW1-Z S-AH1 M-W-AH2 N-AO1-R