piano, converting the instruments into a kind of tuned percussion instrument by inserting objects in the strings.

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downtown, when there's so many, thousands, tens, thousands of [crosstalk 00:02:58].

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then after the 25th anniversary, it's easily tripled.

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i used to get me really upset, but i decided one day i wanted to make a positive experience there. so i decided to charge people a joke who parked in my driveway.

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speaker 9: did she tell you that i cried on the phone. no cause it was really [crosstalk 00:03:14].

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speaker 10: no, i haven't managed to do that. but i was, quite pleased to be [crosstalk 00:03:20].

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i was a sneezing nose, for a tv campaign.

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but did she ask them to cross the whole of bbc, obviously, but local radio has.

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speaker 12: [inaudible] here from another bbc local radio station, radio, oxford. thanks for coming down.

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speaker 13: three trails a day you're churning them out pretty fastly. it would be pretty creative. think on your feet, get it done. and you can do some really good stuff, thinking that close to the [crosstalk 00:03:38].

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speaker 14: [inaudible] we have an extra for one month, hopefully be back there next year as well.

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on to the mans comment before handing back to the original newsreader after this unnecessary jingle.

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anna cools, cooks up soap in her small exquisitely scented house in portland, lents neighborhood. she works up in the finished attic.

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he mimics something we could see in the natural world or was he doing

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career? why is that?


vision in mind as a painter, but

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cold and quantitative comparison between what the person has found in their attic and what an established pollock is.

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this one for the love of, who let big haunt into the historic lighthouse at cape meares.

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when i was on the road that summer, it was great. and it was a very powerful experience, that i was trying to hit every single park i could, before the sun went down and i ran out of light.

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their production schedule, is this everyone working on the same episode at the same time, all of the lighting people, the costumers, the makeup, or some of them sort of working ahead.

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is that, i mean, how do you live now? are you, do you live out in the country?

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i have my zombie survival plans in store. i'm going straight to costco.

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honestly you should probably go ahead and do it.

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i don't think anybody in this orchestra has ever missed one note. i'm serious. very politic peter. very good.

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because ill listen to something like that. sort of indie rock stuff, but not a lot of super duper concerts.

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like so many different kinds of concert with like a classical concerts or one with carols and guest conductors.

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28: so now we're going to move on to some more performing. so let me invite [inaudible] vogler and michael roberts to the stage.

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founding support for state of wonder

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is provided by the paul g. allen family foundation. additional funding by the us bank foundation and chuck and nancy thompson. also, funding for arts and culture programming on opb as provided by the robert d and marcia h randall charitable trust and the oregon arts commission.

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april baer: state of wonder for saturday, the 7th of march 2015, good afternoon. i'm april baer. today, some new visual art that tries to address urban decay without [inaudible]

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also writer geronimo johnson talks about his dizzying new satirical novel. it's about what happens when performance art goes horribly wrong.

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my friend we've seen that happen once or twice i haven't we, but first we're going to kick things off today with a couple of stone, cold women, amazing creators working in completely different fields.

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first up, kim gordon, her autobiography girl in a band is, making waves this week. gordon is the co founder of the massively influential indie rock band, sonic youth.

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she's in a weird place right now. the band went nuclear in 2011. when gordon's longtime husband and band mate thurston moore had an affair and they broke up.

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gordon came to pals in beaverton this week to talk about her new book. we wanted to get a sense of why gordon is so, beloved by the fans.

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opb producer, john salvador chased down. a few of the faithful will hear in gordon for a minute, but first let's listen to what john sent us.

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i first became aware of kim gordon through a magazine article about sonic youth. and

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so i was very malleable to musical influence and some kid down the hallway was playing daydream nation.

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and i first heard her voice. i thought this is unexpected.

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and i'm like, i know this person. i know who she is. i hang out with her. she has a very distinct southern california accent.

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i was already like rolling my eyes about kim gordon's outfit and i was like she doesn't play bass anymore. but then they played death valley 69,

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all the guitars that were playing, i had just seen previous bands played because they were just borrowing them. and the only tuning that they remember where the first tunings and there were all e

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so it was, they basically just played the first five years of sonic youth. and she was so mad that she fell and her heel broke.

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and then she grabbed that heel and threw it and just started throwing her shoes on her base, just going crazy.

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and every judgemental thing i had about, posh, kim gordon just went out and i was like, she's a mother [inaudible] badass.

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it is messed up. you shouldn't have put your entire identity, on a band or on a creative project, or because [crosstalk] there

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is a very visceral physical thing, like your movements can affect the sound of the guitar. and i related to

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that in a way that, because i always like to do dance. i kind of related to that on a certain level that i hadn't expected.

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there were times, when it felt really great to be surrounded by the sound and music, not knowing what was going to happen.

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that is the question, which people in my line of work, the fiction writers. get asked probably the most.

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address of that mail order company. that is that they want to write or more likely what they want is to

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be a writer because they know writers are rich and famous. and they know that there are secrets that writers know like that

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but alas. writers really don't have secrets except maybe the well kept secret that about 99% of us are neither or rich nor famous.

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writers talk, writers blab, writers are wordy people.

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they teach writing workshops and they write writing books. and they yatter, yatter, yatter on talk, shows. writers tell all,

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if they could tell beginning writers where to get ideas from, they would.

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so, why did i want to answer this foolish question "where do you get your ideas from?" because

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as soon as you get beneath the foolish aspect of it, the question becomes very complicated and ultimately unanswerable.

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somebody asked willie nelson how he thought of his tunes? and willie said, "well, the air is full of tunes.

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i just reach up and pick one." now that is not a secret, but it is a sweet mystery.

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you wait in silence and you listen. you listen for the tune, or the vision, or the story. you're not grabbing.

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you're not pushing. you're just waiting and listening and being ready for it when it comes. this is an act of trust.

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then you do your best to let the idea, the tune, the vision, the story, to let it come through clear.

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that was ursula k. le guin talking about where her ideas come from. she delivered that talk for portland arts and lectures back in 2000. in just a minute, two guitarists from opposite sides of the pacific,

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with very little in common, make a record together. is this starting to sound like a buddy movie? yeah, we thought so too. hang on to hear more. you're with state of wonder on opb.

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you're with state of wonder on opb, i'm april baer.

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what can these two possibly have in common? a new album, as it turns out. it's called big bridges. we sat down this week with ohashi and neil to ask how their unlikely...

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kc, were you aware of the extent of takashi's career when you met him?

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just a word of explanation of a second or two, takashi. can you shed some light for american listeners about

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what the band means in japan? is it more like kiss or gwar or?

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i grew up with american music and i don't listen to most of the japanese music, at all or when i grew up, i listened to american rock

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and especially big green francis, right. eric smith in the seventies. and i decided to sing lots of roots music

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now of the finished mastered session,

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some real dreamy songs. the last song, endless blue, i disappear is just a really kind of open sounding, dreamy, beautiful song.

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hey, a little bit about the process of how you wrote these songs together

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to sing them, which is i've, i've done some co-writing over the years, but one of the tricks after you've been doing

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may sound like a ridiculous question you've been playing for so many years, you've played in front of thousands of people, but was there anything, a little frightening about working in a small group like that?

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yes, because all, all the notes are naked and no reason to text and not loud, but a very interesting challenge because

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yeah, so my name is mateo nakamura and originally i wanted to be a writer, but i happen to be a photographer. now i moved from japan

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1989. so when i came here, as i got introduced to photography, and then i got obsessed,

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i got more ambivalent about my own identity. who am i, you know, when i go home and i'm like a stranger to even to my

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own family in japan. and then when i come back to u.s. and then i'm still foreigner. and also i kind of got reflected on,

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what's it like to foster generation with japanese american people, who moved to this country

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during the 20th century and then experienced wwii, that kind of prompted me to photograph security.

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some of the photographs i went there, like almost 3:00 am in the morning, like in the middle of the night i went back and sometimes i just went there right before

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the sun rises because that's a really tranquil moment that i can really hear them.

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in the silence of the lonely room closes on the rustle of movement like hair every day, the small window opens motionless to silent air.

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still what's moving. it's very relaxed music until there's these noises that are a little bit shocking in context.

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it's so quiet. you're going along with drones on the cello and sometimes singing with it, like at one point.

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well, nancy ives, always great to talk to you. thank you for coming in.

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she's on stage with fear no music at the alberta rose theater on friday, march 13th for the program, [inaudible] at 75,

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the magazine is about women guitarists and bassists and their seventh issue release party promises to be very happening on the bill. one edna vasquez

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she's. it was very powerful and i felt that in my skin, it was so overwhelming in a good way

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that i just closed my eyes. and all of a sudden i was in some other place and i was just driven.

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and the other one it's because, you know, i came out to my mother and she just saw that us,

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that was going to be a huge thing in some, there are some places where you cannot be different, like gay

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or. of songs and singing for up to 13 hours at a time, she calls it training herself to be a live jukebox

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that strong, they respected that. and they treat that like a queen [inaudible]

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said, vasquez sang two of her solo songs.

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the book started on a cell phone. the voice that i wrote first was his nana's voice.

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and so that was written on my little, my little cell phone, my mobile phone. and at first the run was

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african american that lasted for about a week because i couldn't quite get the story to work around that idea. and also it was

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going to become another tale of racial becoming that i felt would be too close to my first novel. and when i decided that it

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would make more sense for him to be white, then the story opened up. so that was probably one of the most critical,

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well,first of all, i was thinking of a good bit about one new media artist in particular, mark tribe, up at brown who had tried to recreate some civil

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rights era speeches and he recorded them and then projected these images inside

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in a new media class. this project came up and while it was being discussed, the class broke into two camps.

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one group thought that he was being ironic, that he was in no way being serious. the other half thought that he was

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sincere. and what i found very interesting was this split. and it got me thinking more so about how we make sense of

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what's sincere and what's not, and what's real and what's not, and how we handle irony. and then for quite some time, i'd also had in mind, this question

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of, what would happen if you expanded the diversity of the cast of characters at a civil war reenactment,

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i definitely wanted it to sound like its own world so that you felt like you were in a real place.

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also, it needed to sound so different from berkeley as well. in berkeley, most of the activity takes place on the campus.

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so the academic dictionary basically is sort of the farm for that language in brecksville, the demands were a little bit different things actually had to be

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marquesha babers is a working poet based out of los angeles. these days she's using her writing to help other teams find their own voices

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this weekend, she is also in bend for the muse women's conference. we caught up with her before the conference kicked off. marquesha babers, welcome to state of wonder,

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will you tell us a little bit about where you grew up in watts?

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yeah, well, i grew up in a really bad part of watts. i've actually moved around so much during my childhood.

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like i was never stable, but everywhere i went, it seemed to always be the worst part of the neighborhood. you know

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how old were you when you started writing your own poems? i was nine years old when i started writing my own poems. i had went through something

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and i said, i had really nobody to talk to at the time. it was a really hard situation for me and i didn't know what else to do. so

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i started just writing about it. i just continued to write about it and write about it and write about it.

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i'm not trying to crack you open like a can opener, but can you tell us anything about what was going on that needed to work its way to the surface?

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we were homeless. we had been homeless for about seven years, and

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i had a bad experience with a guy. and i couldn't tell my mom about it because

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they were close. so i was afraid to tell my mom, and i couldn't talk to my brothers because i didn't think they would understand what had happened.

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so i was just... i had it just bottled up inside of me, and i didn't know who to turn to, who to talk to,

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or i didn't have a friend that could keep a secret.

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so that's what was


really my main focus at that time, was i needed to tell somebody, and the paper was the only person i could talk to. right.

R-IH1 L-IY0 M-AY1 M-EY1-N F-OW1 K-AH0 S-AE1-T DH-AE1-T T-AY1 M-W-AA1 Z-AY1 N-IY1 D-AH0-D T-UW1 T-EH1-L S-AH1-M B-AA2 D-IY0 AH0-N-D DH-AH0 P-EY1 P-ER0 W-AA1-Z DH-AH0 OW1 N-L-IY0 P-ER1 S-AH0 N-AY1 K-UH1-D T-AO1-K T-UW1 R-AY1-T


well, will you share with us a little bit about how did you start reading your poems to other people?

W-EH1 L-W-IH1 L-Y-UW1 SH-EH1 R-W-IH1 DH-AH1 S-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L B-IH1 T-AH0 B-AW1-T HH-AW1 D-IH1 D-Y-UW1-S T-AA1-R T-R-EH1 D-IH0 NG-Y-AO1-R P-OW1 AH0-M-Z T-UW1 AH1 DH-ER0 P-IY1 P-AH0-L


the first time i read a poem out loud to an audience was at church. my mom, she had found one of my books that i write in,

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and she read the poem herself. and she decided that she thought it would be, i guess, good therapy for me to

AH0-N-D SH-IY1 R-IY1-D DH-AH0 P-OW1 AH0-M HH-ER0 S-EH1-L F-AH0-N-D SH-IY1 D-IH0 S-AY1 D-IH0-D DH-AE1-T SH-IY1 TH-AO1 T-IH1 T-W-UH1-D B-IY1 AY1 G-EH1-S G-UH1-D TH-EH1 R-AH0 P-IY0 F-AO1-R M-IY1 T-UW1


perform it for the church, and get some help with what i was going through. and so she made me get up in front of the church. so i did.

P-ER0 F-AO1-R M-IH1-T F-AO1-R DH-AH0 CH-ER1 CH-AH0-N-D G-EH1-T S-AH1-M HH-EH1-L P-W-IH1 DH-W-AH1 T-AY1 W-AA1-Z G-OW1 IH0-NG TH-R-UW1 AH0-N-D S-OW1 SH-IY1 M-EY1 D-M-IY1 G-EH1 T-AH1 P-IH0-N F-R-AH1-N T-AH1-V DH-AH0 CH-ER1-CH S-OW1 AY1 D-IH1-D


how has your poetry changed as you've started to read it to people?

HH-AW1 HH-AE1 Z-Y-AO1-R P-OW1 AH0 T-R-IY0 CH-EY1-N-JH D-AE1 Z-Y-UW1-V-S T-AA1-R T-AH0-D T-UW1 R-EH1 D-IH1-T T-UW1 P-IY1 P-AH0-L


it went from, during that very sad time in my life, from being very sad-oriented poetry

IH1 T-W-EH1-N-T F-R-AH1-M D-UH1 R-IH0-NG DH-AE1-T V-EH1 R-IY0 S-AE1-D T-AY1 M-IH0-N M-AY1 L-AY1-F F-R-AH1-M B-IY1 IH0-NG V-EH1 R-IY0 S-AH0 D-AO1 R-IY0 AH0-N T-IH0-D P-OW1 AH0 T-R-IY0


to more uplifting, like, i've been there, and i'm here to help you, type poetry.

T-UW1 M-AO1 R-AH1 P-L-IH2-F T-IH0 NG-L-AY1 K-AY1-V B-IH1-N DH-EH1 R-AH0-N D-IH1-M HH-IY1-R T-UW1 HH-EH1-L P-Y-UW1 T-AY1-P P-OW1 AH0 T-R-IY0


will you read for us?


sure. this poem is called girl, and it's one of my newest poems.

SH-UH1-R DH-IH1-S P-OW1 AH0 M-IH1-Z K-AO1-L-D G-ER1 L-AH0-N D-IH1-T S-W-AH1 N-AH1 V-M-AY1 N-UW1 AH0-S-T P-OW1 AH0-M-Z


people only see me as that girl. that fat girl, just a little too black girl, always sitting in the back girl, that girl.

P-IY1 P-AH0 L-OW1 N-L-IY0 S-IY1 M-IY1 AE1-Z DH-AE1-T G-ER1-L DH-AE1-T F-AE1-T G-ER1-L JH-AH1-S T-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L T-UW1 B-L-AE1-K G-ER1 L-AO1 L-W-EY2-Z S-IH1 T-IH0 NG-IH0-N DH-AH0 B-AE1-K G-ER1-L DH-AE1-T G-ER1-L


people tell me you're weak girl. no one wants to hear you speak, girl. look at me, i'm not at your feet girl, stop crying, girl. it's not like you're dying, girl. no one will like you

P-IY1 P-AH0-L T-EH1-L M-IY1 Y-UH1 R-W-IY1-K G-ER1-L N-OW1 W-AH1 N-W-AA1-N-T-S T-UW1 HH-IY1 R-Y-UW1-S P-IY1-K G-ER1-L L-UH1 K-AE1 T-M-IY1 IH1-M N-AA1 T-AE1 T-Y-AO1-R F-IY1-T G-ER1-L-S T-AA1-P K-R-AY1 IH0-NG G-ER1 L-IH1-T S-N-AA1 T-L-AY1 K-Y-UH1-R D-AY1 IH0-NG G-ER1-L N-OW1 W-AH1 N-W-IH1-L L-AY1 K-Y-UW1


for who you are, and your career definitely won't go far. not with that hair, those clothes, those shoes, you really need to change

F-AO1-R HH-UW1 Y-UW1 AA1 R-AH0-N D-Y-AO1-R K-ER0 IH1-R D-EH1 F-AH0 N-AH0 T-L-IY0 W-OW1-N-T G-OW1 F-AA1-R N-AA1 T-W-IH1-DH DH-AE1-T HH-EH1-R DH-OW1-Z K-L-OW1-DH-Z DH-OW1-Z SH-UW1 Z-Y-UW1 R-IH1 L-IY0 N-IY1-D T-UW1 CH-EY1-N-JH


all of you, girl. sometimes i tell myself, "you know depression ain't cute, girl. and you just stop waiting and do what you have to do, girl.

AO1 L-AH1 V-Y-UW1 G-ER1-L S-AH0-M T-AY1-M Z-AY1 T-EH1-L M-AY2 S-EH1-L F-Y-UW1 N-OW1 D-IH0 P-R-EH1 SH-AH0 N-EY1-N-T K-Y-UW1-T G-ER1 L-AH0-N D-Y-UW1 JH-AH1-S-T-S T-AA1 P-W-EY1 T-IH0 NG-AH0-N-D D-UW1 W-AH1 T-Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 D-UW1 G-ER1-L


i mean, if you're going to end it, then do it already, girl. just make sure you keep your hand steady girl. you want to get it right girl, just wait til night girl then get the knife girl.

AY1 M-IY1 N-IH1 F-Y-UH1-R G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 EH1-N D-IH1-T DH-EH1-N D-UW1 IH1 T-AO0-L R-EH1 D-IY0 G-ER1-L JH-AH1-S T-M-EY1-K SH-UH1 R-Y-UW1 K-IY1 P-Y-AO1-R HH-AE1-N-D-S T-EH1 D-IY0 G-ER1 L-Y-UW1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 G-EH1 T-IH1 T-R-AY1-T G-ER1-L JH-AH1-S T-W-EY1-T T-IH1-L N-AY1-T G-ER1-L DH-EH1-N G-EH1-T DH-AH0 N-AY1-F G-ER1-L


it only takes one slice girl." look at you, too weak to take your own life girl. but god told me, "aren't you tired of waiting to die, girl?.

IH1 T-OW1 N-L-IY0 T-EY1-K S-W-AH1-N S-L-AY1-S G-ER1-L L-UH1 K-AE1 T-Y-UW1 T-UW1 W-IY1-K T-UW1 T-EY1 K-Y-AO1 R-OW1 N-L-AY1-F G-ER1-L B-AH1-T G-AA1-D T-OW1-L D-M-IY1 AA1 R-AH0-N T-Y-UW1 T-AY1 ER0 D-AH1 V-W-EY1 T-IH0-NG T-UW1 D-AY1 G-ER1-L


all you have to do is try, girl. i gave you your life to live, girl. i gave your gift to give, girl. i am always here, girl. it's okay to shed a tear,

AO1 L-Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 D-UW1 IH1-Z T-R-AY1 G-ER1 L-AY1 G-EY1 V-Y-UW1 Y-AO1-R L-AY1-F T-UW1 L-AY1-V G-ER1 L-AY1 G-EY1 V-Y-AO1-R G-IH1-F-T T-UW1 G-IH1-V G-ER1 L-AY1 AE1 M-AO1 L-W-EY2-Z HH-IY1-R G-ER1 L-IH1-T S-OW2 K-EY1 T-UW1 SH-EH1 D-AH0 T-EH1-R


girl. you will be great girl. it is your fate girl. don't worry about the past girl. remember who was first shall be last. so you've been through the worst

G-ER1 L-Y-UW1 W-IH1-L B-IY1 G-R-EY1-T G-ER1 L-IH1 T-IH1 Z-Y-AO1-R F-EY1-T G-ER1-L D-AA1-N T-W-ER1 IY0 AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 P-AE1-S-T G-ER1-L R-IH0 M-EH1-M B-ER0 HH-UW1 W-AA1-Z F-ER1-S-T SH-AE1-L B-IY1 L-AE1-S-T S-OW1 Y-UW1-V B-IH1-N TH-R-UW1 DH-AH0 W-ER1-S-T


girl. now it's your time to be first girl." then god held out his hands. he said, "take this, girl. don't waste it, girl. you'll know when

G-ER1-L N-AW1 IH1-T S-Y-AO1-R T-AY1-M T-UW1 B-IY1 F-ER1-S-T G-ER1-L DH-EH1-N G-AA1-D HH-EH1-L D-AW1-T HH-IH1-Z HH-AE1-N-D-Z HH-IY1 S-EH1-D T-EY1-K DH-IH1-S G-ER1-L D-AA1-N T-W-EY1-S T-IH1-T G-ER1 L-Y-UW1-L N-OW1 W-EH1-N


to use it, girl. it's a miracle, girl. like you, you are a miracle ,girl."

T-UW1 Y-UW1 Z-IH1-T G-ER1 L-IH1-T S-AH0 M-IH1 R-AH0 K-AH0-L G-ER1-L L-AY1 K-Y-UW1 Y-UW1 AA1 R-AH0 M-IH1 R-AH0 K-AH0-L G-ER1-L


wow. thank you. would you tell me about the pivot in that poem? the point at which it turns from the negative voices

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in one's head, to messages of support and voices saying, "yes, you can do this."

IH0 N-W-AH1-N-Z HH-EH1-D T-UW1 M-EH1 S-AH0 JH-AH0 Z-AH1-V S-AH0 P-AO1-R T-AH0-N-D V-OY1 S-AH0-Z S-EY1 IH0 NG-Y-EH1 S-Y-UW1 K-AE1-N D-UW1 DH-IH1-S


i didn't want it to just be a negative poem, just to end on a negative note. i wanted to show that there is

AY1 D-IH1 D-AH0-N T-W-AA1-N T-IH1-T T-UW1 JH-AH1-S-T B-IY1 AH0 N-EH1 G-AH0 T-IH0-V P-OW1 AH0-M JH-AH1-S-T T-UW1 EH1-N D-AA1 N-AH0 N-EH1 G-AH0 T-IH0 V-N-OW1 T-AY1 W-AA1-N T-AH0-D T-UW1 SH-OW1 DH-AE1-T DH-EH1 R-IH1-Z


a possibility to overcome. you are worthy of... that you are special. you are beautiful no matter what anyone says.

AH0 P-AA2 S-AH0 B-IH1 L-AH0 T-IY0 T-UW1 OW1 V-ER0 K-AH2 M-Y-UW1 AA1 R-W-ER1 DH-IY0 AH1-V DH-AE1 T-Y-UW1 AA1-R-S P-EH1 SH-AH0 L-Y-UW1 AA1-R B-Y-UW1 T-AH0 F-AH0-L N-OW1 M-AE1 T-ER0 W-AH1 T-EH1 N-IY0 W-AH2-N S-EH1-Z


like, god created you, and only god can judge you. not even you can judge you like god can judge you. and that was the point of the poem.

L-AY1-K G-AA1-D K-R-IY0 EY1 T-AH0 D-Y-UW1 AH0-N D-OW1 N-L-IY0 G-AA1-D K-AE1-N JH-AH1 JH-Y-UW1 N-AA1 T-IY1 V-IH0 N-Y-UW1 K-AE1-N JH-AH1 JH-Y-UW1 L-AY1-K G-AA1-D K-AE1-N JH-AH1 JH-Y-UW1 AH0-N-D DH-AE1 T-W-AA1-Z DH-AH0 P-OY1-N T-AH1-V DH-AH0 P-OW1 AH0-M


marquesha babers. i want to thank you very much for taking some time to talk to us, and we're looking forward to seeing you in bend this weekend.

M-AA0-R K-AA1 SH-AH0 B-EY1 B-ER0 Z-AY1 W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 TH-AE1-NG K-Y-UW1 V-EH1 R-IY0 M-AH1-CH F-AO1-R T-EY1 K-IH0-NG S-AH1-M T-AY1-M T-UW1 T-AO1-K T-UW1 AH1 S-AH0-N D-W-ER0 L-UH1 K-IH0-NG F-AO1 R-W-ER0-D T-UW1 S-IY1 IH0 NG-Y-UW1 IH0-N B-EH1-N-D DH-IH1 S-W-IY1 K-EH2-N-D


no problem, and thank you so much.

N-OW1 P-R-AA1 B-L-AH0 M-AH0-N-D TH-AE1-NG K-Y-UW1 S-OW1 M-AH1-CH


marquesha babers gave a speech at the muse women's conference in bend just this morning. you can catch her tomorrow at 1:00 pm at the conference for a workshop.

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huge black and white photographs line the walls of upfor gallery in portland this month. the images look pretty abstract at first,

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black backgrounds with irregular white shapes clustered across them. step a little closer, and you see these are little tableaus

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made by the visual artist, rodrigo valenzuela, and they've got quite a bit of detail. they capture structures he made for a show on view right now at seattle's frye museum, hedonic reversals.

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the white shapes definitely suggest buildings, but the forms are so rough-edged. are they under construction, or in a state of decay? we asked rodrigo valenzuela.

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they're like in this in between point, and they are open for interpretation for what the viewer wants it to be. some people look at them as a demolition. some other people-

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are these all images of works you developed for hedonic reversal?

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figure out the way that we look at ruins, so the aesthetic of ruins, without taking advantage of the pain that ruins have

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implicit in them. i didn't want to go and document ruins in detroit, for example, because i don't think it's fair for people that live in

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detroit [coming] this guy out of town, overstate the size in their pain. it is a social issue.

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i don't want to read too much into the places you've been living and working, but you have been in seattle and houston, two cities that have experienced explosive

AY1 D-AA1-N T-W-AA1-N-T T-UW1 R-EH1-D T-UW1 M-AH1 CH-IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AH0 P-L-EY1 S-AH0 Z-Y-UW1-V B-IH1 N-L-IH1 V-IH0 NG-AH0-N D-W-ER1 K-IH0-NG B-AH1 T-Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V B-IH1 N-IH0-N S-IY0 AE1 T-AH0 L-AH0-N-D HH-Y-UW1-S T-AH0-N T-UW1 S-IH1 T-IY0-Z DH-AE1-T HH-AE1 V-IH0-K-S P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-N-S T-IH0-K-S P-L-OW1 S-IH0-V


growth over the past two decades. was looking around those places very informative for what you've been working on?

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yeah, definitely both have... mostly seattle have big impact on this idea of the ruin, mostly in places that

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have a very recent history, or not a very large past. you know, traveling around south america to peru, and

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i travel around mexico, costa rica, [inaudible 00:06:39], i have gone through most of central america by bus, by ground. so i have seen how people

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understand that past. the ruins are there, and the ruins are present within a cosmopolitan city, or it's a source of knowledge of understanding themselves in the present.

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usa doesn't have too much of that, you know? the past, or the ruins, they just meaning economic collapse.

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tell us a little bit about your process for the images that are on view here now.

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i was thinking about the subject of the ruin. i mean, making these plaster molds and little tiny figures, like very solid, simple,

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plaster shapes, that i paint white. so they are very, very monochromatic structures that they aim to resemble a structure,

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or like a miniature. i photographed that. i go to the dark room, develop the film. i

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scan the film. i print it very large, to like human-size, like eight-by-eight feet. so this [inaudible] is structure with all the details and all the problems

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that they have in this miniature. slowly, they become the focal point, or the difference of texture, or the difference of

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quality, and all the difference in scale. they become very present when you have them in eight-by-eight feet. and then i paint two-by-fours,

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and i make it these big plastered shapes that i place against a wall. and then i rephotograph that, the images

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echoing themselves, and the [generated] time you can see the past, and you can see that they will have a future. if i keep playing this game or just [rephotograph]

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in every photo. among the many little jokes that valenzuela builds into his tableaus are price tags left on some of the pieces of wood that make up his towers, pieces of blackboard chalk

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with just the right [force] perspective to make you think they're spare marble columns. on some, his own ghostly footprint is left in powdery

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white dust. it's impossible to tell looking at these whether as ruins, they were something

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wonderful and graceful, or something functional.

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but we have that relationship with all the ruins. you know, when you may go to rome, and be very amazed for this room,

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and the beauty of the room, only the feelings that you get in the room. and if you do a little research, maybe the public bathroom from the roman... you think that this

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place have a bigger signifier than what they are. we are surrounded by like, banalities, and like, things that make our life, and make our culture.

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rodrigo valenzuela. his exhibition, hedonistic reversal, is on view at the frye museum in seattle and at upfor gallery in portland.

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i was just going to ask, what was happening in american theaters at that time, responding to the culture in a way that other art forms maybe weren't doing?

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[thana o'brien 00:00:09:41], you got involved in a later period, but do you remember seeing some of storefront's earlier productions? the first

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beauty and the beast, which i had told her the

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difficult question, because in some ways, many of us who were involved with-

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and was like, i think of it like brigadoon.

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video games can take months, even years to make, but with the right idea and enough coffee, you can do one in 48.

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this is a group that's been setting people like [inaudible] on the path.

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working with a partner she changed the code to make zelda the hero.

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also onsite there were several tables with small groups, people know each other and thought it might be fun to do-

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jonathan minimum is teamed up with software engineer, toby-

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in fact, when we visited, it seemed like at least a quarter of the people onsite were hanging out, doing work chatting.

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on one end of the room, a huge screen was alive with a space battle. a few people were playing the indy made game star citizen.

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sure. when foreign journalists came to mumbai to see whether-

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something that has always amazed me about your writing, which is what i see as a lack of a judge-

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so, the conflicts that makes such problems so generally intractable

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tends to come between the page and the reader, like so much marsh gas.

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exactly. but when you're talking about your audience, okay, let's say i'm trying to persuade somebody. i'm trying to persuade person a that politician b is bad, b for bad.

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they know that i'm not just reading out of my scripting. they know i'm not just reading out of my bias. right. and

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absolutely at times you have to be negative. how can't you be?

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some of us do. and some of us were the victims of that. there is absolutely no doubt.

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aren't you supposed to be silent and you know, keep your hands-

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impacted families and individuals in communities here within colorado, then i'm not doing my job.

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absolutely. and it was, michael, it was the democrat policies in detroit that took those companies down. so is it not incumbent upon us to point that out?

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okay. but what i mean is negative versus positive, is it okay to say the negative of the other side without, without the cheap shots, the personal stuff and all this.

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you guys, i don't want to judge or anything, but aren't you cold?

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peel me a grape. i'm not going to sing it. nobody worry, okay, this is not going to happen. you must be sitting in the pick on chris chair.

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bingo. bingo. that's exactly it. i'm here to speak the truth. and, and-

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my wife and i talked, she listens to, doesn't listen to the first 59 minutes. but that last minute she is tuned in.

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do you tell your manicurist, you are controlling me, stop it.

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we called out that hand. we made it plain. what they were doing

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enough to recall two senators enforced one more to step down.

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i'm just wondering if being a pool boy is a paying position?

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this is turning out to be a very strange show. and part of the thing too. i

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got to have integrity. we've got casper on the line. casper, welcome to grassroots radio, colorado. what are you, what are you doing?

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ah, shucks. well, what are you thinking?

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i don't, i think they'll probably be ready sometime late this year.

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and in a world of positivity in a world of rose colored glasses pointing out that we have an $18 trillion debt and it shouldn't go any higher for goodness sake. that's negativity.

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oh yeah. you bet we can talk about free college,

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which is a preferable-

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besides age, i'm going to make this hard for you.

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very very tall. and-


i totally put you on the side there. i'm so sorry. how about i

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describe, because i always do this. what, why they don't like us? because i think that's what unites them

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to politics. they look at republicans and conservatives and to them that were the same. so let's just call it that way. okay, because i'm talking from their perspective.

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we are people who disapprove of them and want to tell them how to live their lives.

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in other words, they believe we want to control their lives.

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and so when you're... amazing, isn't it? what a con and the reason is this. and i'm going to be speaking this sunday night down in parker. and i always explain this when i speak

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because people are like, why? why do young people think that we want to control their lives on the left does. here's why?

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because on about 95% of the issues, we on the right give freedom. we give liberty.

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but here's the problem on virtually all of that, virtually all of that, they don't own any of it.

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they don't own businesses. they don't create jobs, their healthcare, they're on their parents. they don't have, they don't deal with water rights, land rights, mineral rights.

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the only thing they own is their bodies. and that's the only thing they perceive us as trying to control is how, what they do with their bodies.

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by the way, you know me, i'm a social conservative. i don't say don't talk about that stuff. i say, offer and model it, don't force it.

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exactly. i love morality. can't get enough of this stuff. it's great. okay.

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you know, i like to think that christian morality is the morality that you wish you had the night before

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thing. it's something where you, you wake up the next day and you're like, oh, i'm glad i had that morality last night.

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that's morality. isn't that a neato thing. but here's the... but you don't, it doesn't matter if you're a christian or not. when we tell them what to do with their bodies,

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they take that very personally because to them, that's only, even though that's only 5% of the issues and really folks, it's only like 1%, but let's say it's five.

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even though that's only 5% of the issues, that's their 100%. as far as they're concerned, we on the right are controlling their entire lives. okay.

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and so that's why they see us that way. so we can say, well, wait a minute. everything else in life, we give you liberty. to them, they're like, i don't own any of that.

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so when you talk to a young person, it's very, very important that you first diffuse the idea that you want to control their lives.

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then you can launch into any kind of issues. and i definitely want to get into free college here after the break. but

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you know, the first thing you want to do is connect with them and show them that you believe in them, the reason you want things this way, the reason you believe in conservative ideals

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is because you want them unleashed. not because you want them leashed.

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i like that. okay. so how do you... can we talk about how you do that in two minutes?

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a little bit. i mean, you know the first thing... for a few quick pointers, number one, listen. no one's ever controlled anyone by listening to them and we don't do that.

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it is, but we on the right are so good at talking points. we know so much. we do. everybody who's listening right now has lists of talking points and guess what? they're good.

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okay. and we get so excited about that and we want to reel them off. folks first, listen to them,

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ask them what they think. why do you like that? and don't freak out when they say, i think free college is a great idea.

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i think a $15 minimum wage is a great idea, because the second thing after listening is find the area of that that is commendable

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or where they don't want to be controlled for instance, free college. well i would lead and say

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i think it's great. you obviously want to better yourself and you can't afford it right now. you see that that's a way you could afford it. and you could get, you could go further in life and do better things with your life.

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i think that's great. then you get into, but here's why it wouldn't work.

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okay. and then you're able to tell them what the downsides are.

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right. just like the last hour, lead with the positive. and you're not hiding the negative. you're being honest and upfront about it.

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but you want to take into account that they think you want to control their lives. that's why you have to first open the door before you go in the house.

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and that doorway is a doorway of above the mantle says, you want to control me, stay out. so you have to show, i don't want to control you. let me in.

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and you do that by listening. you do that by finding that piece that they are embracing that says i don't want to be controlled in whatever liberal policy it is.

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you can even do it by challenging them. hey, i don't want to, i want to control my own life. not yours. can you say the same?

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i love doing that with young people. i want to control my own life. not yours. can you say the same? oh sure. i can. okay, good. why don't we apply that together to any issue we talk about

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we're... this is chris cook and i've got andy [inaudible] in the party of choice in studio with me. we're talking about millennials. how do we message to millennials?

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remember you can always share your thoughts with me on facebook. and we're probably not going to take any calls during this hour, but you can always get to me with facebook. facebook.com/grassroots radio, colorado.

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this is grassroots radio, colorado on klz 560.

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i do know you run after chocolate, so-

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great. and then just... she's gotten me into mall.

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she just drags it behind her. it's dirty. i don't care. i'm like-

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it's chocolate this is good. so before we go on the party of choice,

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where can folks find you, find out more about the party of choice, how to learn more about these messaging points,

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because this is not the only thing you talk about millennials. you talk about how to have these conversations with lots of different people on lots of different issues. yeah.

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we are at thepartyofchoice.com. that's the party of... www.thepartyofchoice.com. and we're also on facebook, twitter...

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by the way, if you have any questions, if you want to know how to approach a subject, you got somebody who you're really not sure how to approach a certain issue with...

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shoot us an email. shoot us a question on facebook. we love it. and we also have other people who are part of our team who will take that...

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oh yeah, it won't just be me. you don't want to be limited to my mind. trust me.

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that's a very limiting thing.it's a very strange place. i can tell you that.

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all right. so we're talking about millennials. let's talk about the free college tuition plans.

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about a week ago, obama announced this proposal to make community college free for everyone...

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as long as you're enrolled half time...

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and to some people that sounds like a great idea.

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to me, it sounds like a parasitic idea. and the first thing that comes to my mind is...

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if our k through 12 system is so broken, how about we fix that instead of remediating it by giving two more years of schooling away?

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chris, that's crazy talk. don't you understand? remember, i'm a child of the left. i was raised by the left. if something isn't working, do more of it.

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if eating fattening foods is not helping your diet...

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double it. eat more fattening food. and by the way, everybody out there, yes, you can take that advice. trust me, it works. it's fantastic. don't don't take that advice.

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we won't talk about cuba because i still think that there is a saying that success is sort of like wrestling a gorilla.

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you don't stop when you get tired, you stop when the gorilla gets tired.

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so, there is a good thing about persistence and following through with something, but...

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but...free is not going to do us what we need...

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here in this country.okay. yeah. and the first thing, once again, i probably wouldn't lead by telling them, "you're a parasite."

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and in all my talking points, just weave in, "by the way, you're a parasite. now, parasite, can i call you parasite?"

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"i just want you to know you're not really a parasite, you're an aspiring parasite because you're very young. but you're learning."

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"you're a larva. okay, larva." okay, here's what i would tell them...

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"i want you to know, with free college, i would never do that to you."

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and they probably cock their head and look at you like a dog whistle just went off.

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exactly. and then i look at them and say, "look, let me ask you this." and you be the high schooler, chris.

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okay.okay. oh my god.like totally. oh my god.

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oh my gosh. okay, chris, i just lost chris. okay.

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yeah. they're afraid. they're backing up for... let me ask you this. why do you get a high school degree or a ged? why do you get that?

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because you want to prove that you have enough perseverance to actually make it through school.

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