as reported pieces and it was really exciting. like i just, it was like going to graduate school.

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the reason i ask is because then babel did it come out of nerve.

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i don't know the way that i look at tory bird.

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these young entrepreneurial couples versus the young literati and hip, the way that i act.

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regional law and learning about that and meeting all these families and talking to the district attorney and kind of just trying to figure things out. i really enjoy. and that's.

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let's say in defense of someone and then, they are a complicated person and the law is complicated and then they ended up back in jail,

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journalism or advocacy in general because i'm just, i'm too conflicted about things, everything

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meth labs. and they basically that the prosecutors were saying, well,

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i've heard from the family a little bit and i've heard that she just went home within the last few months.

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areas maybe are the ones that did get her in some trouble.

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it sounds like it has no relevance, but in terms of infectious diseases,

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if someone isn't honest about what's going on sure. and infecting someone and that can affect the child. but

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the truth is is that these issues are just so complicated as to what equals ethics.

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you know. yeah. all of these parts of it's fascinating and painful. so now that is in

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the country. and how does it get expressed since he's best known as being a fashion critic and stylist and.

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yeah, but i think like one thing that makes project runway a good show is that he is there in the workroom, actually looking at what people are doing and treating them with so much.

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with their art they want to do something important and he's going to help them if he can. well, and it's so.

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asks like tons and tons of questions. so if someone, and it's true of anyone.

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putting books together, because it feels a little like a crossword puzzle, i can look at a bunch of material and i feel like i can see what should go.

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great schools. i graduated there. but i really thought that's what i was going to do. and so i think the ghost writing for me feels a lot like translations.

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just like five different folders that are all going at the same time. because then.

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i did, i think three other books or four other books while i was doing this one. and then i was doing.

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lost stories. and then i also was teaching public affairs reporting at hofstra.

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i would transcribe it. and then the next day i would go interview somebody for the ghost writing book.

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because to me, you sound extremely organized.

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i wrote, "i'm going to show it to them before i publish it." and they're all super supportive and not controlling and so everybody usually is like it's great, just do it.

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i also meant... what i was trying to say was that even when one writes it, it doesn't mean that the ambivalence isn't still there.

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oh yeah. no, and i hope that's communicated in everything i write that i don't know what the hell...

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i mean, not so much there, cause my dad's...

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it's a wonderful microcosm that you can see, not just how new york is built, but how america was.

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in all of its glory and ugliness and beauty and defiance.

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was it hard? i mean, this is a very rigorous book comparatively.

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it being a center of commerce almost from the get-go. meaning when the dutch took over and the nature of building this grid.

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well, actually let's just start there. i mean, the fact that they sold it for $24. and i imagine they sold it for $24, thinking that it was just for hunting. ...

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the same ideas of property ownership. so i think they thought they were selling it for hunting purposes.

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you know, we hate them. they don't belong here.

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one thing that is sad is being able to remember these spaces because what happens is things get torn down and without...

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still there. and there are a lot of businesses in places that have been preserved.

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the same place manic panic was there, was a slave trader who lived there and there were... the tomb? is that the...

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yeah, exactly on the same block. i mean that's right there between second and third. so.

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and i see that today, even where people are saying, "well obviously nyu students are bad and all of us..."

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one thing that i like is just to see that no, it's always been really complicated and it's... there is no clear, good guy, bad guy dynamic.

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so much the idea of in modern-day, in hindsight, looking back that someone was escaping prostitutes and pirates by going to st. marks versus the st. mark's i knew.

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i love him. and i had always really liked his poetry. and then learning about him, i just... he really is like a saint. he really is the saint of the east village...

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is more moving the one before he paid for friend's surgeries.

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for lack of a better term, coming out of st. mark's, coming to st. marks, everything from not certain...

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place mid to late 1800s. and so you've had a lot of women

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would teach poor women how to cook for their husbands.

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sarah curry started the little missionary day nursery for the mothers who had to work.

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yeah, originally she was. she came to new york as a missionary. and then

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she was on the lower east side and these kids were running wild and one ran in front of a car and got killed. and she held the baby

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and basically said, "what is going on? what can we do about this?" and they said, "well, where are we going to leave him?" and she was like, "okay. well, i'm going to find a place." and she did.

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but i... it was fascinating to read about this and she's around where...

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and i'm sure that book is wonderful too.

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that is some, some disastrous plane.

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we're like, "man, i thought i was going to be so fucking angry." we're just like, "oh."

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all of the women who came forward were treated was pretty disgusting.

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maybe if we'd had an expert witness, come in to explain that this is a very normal behavior of victims of sexual assault.

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there is a reason that 99% of the women

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i know who have experienced sexual assault who have been raped have not gone to the police. [inaudible 00:04:22]

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finding themselves here. do you know what i mean? it wasn't him. it wasn't ghomeshi. he never once had to get on the stand and answer for anything. and i mean, i understand his [inaudible 00:04:30]

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is not meant to protect women. i mean,

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i feel hopeless. i feel like in my lifetime,

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because it's hard to put yourself in that state and it's hard to deal with that. and it's hard to just know that you're fighting against the system that is fucking

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broken. it's broken. no, you know what? it's not broken. it was built this way. it's not by accident.

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that this verdict came out like this. it's not by accident that in toronto right now-

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i'm just going to turn the recorder off, because i'll just yell for hours about this-

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but that's the first time i've had really regular hours, maybe ever.

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i was like, "alex, we are very similar people."

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there should be a lesson in grade one that's like, "bitch, enjoy it because your boat to get stuck in the fucking capitalist cog." you know what i mean? you're about to get stuck in the system.

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question that i have about the dumb thing that i just said about my-

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now. the same premise that we were taught as kids is considered no longer important or it's something that only overly sensitive-

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yeah. now you've learned that might be hurtful to some people, so you're more careful with how you use that word or you stop using that-

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it's all there tenfold, so it's not really that shocking. and i don't think-

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and do you think... does it sort of terrify you because you have a book-

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you got shelved by. it's called, i can't believe it's not better. great book title.

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just in case anyone was wondering, it's a extreme ruse.

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but yeah. i think it's like i fake confidence because i'm always so... i'm so embarrassed.

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and your tongue, if you stick it out, but that's the only part of your own face that you ever get to see.

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mm-hmm (affirmative).and that's something that i think is hard to explain.

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combating other kinds of sexism that to me are more important.

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i don't think that i'm opting into that because i feel pressure from-

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but i also think that... again, denying that would be denying my love of attractive and pretty and beautiful things.

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that people agree is kind of cool and looks good. and then you don't have to deal with the lower half of your face at all.

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yes. jia tolentino wrote a very long and well-researched and interesting and nuanced piece for jezebel.

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but because the line between personal and professional is so, so blurred and she talks about music and creative writing in particular-

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men in positions of power have a bad track record, shall we say?

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yeah.up to and beyond what constitutes abuse.yeah.or assault. and that's-

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you know i heard some things about this guy, or i dated this guy, and he was a piece of shit in these ways. and it's not even necessarily other women being like, "well, that guy sexually assaulted me" or "that guy raped me" or whatever.

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but it's like, "just look out for that guy because i've gotten some weird vibes and he did some sort of exploitative shit to me" and like-

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that kind of stuff happens within what almost seems more like a community.yes.

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i think there are fewer of those kinds of people around.

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and again, what is the burden of proof? and if there is one who is it on?

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one of the uk newspapers was saying that somewhere, this is bad.

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whether than the woman having to prove herself that she said no.that's very interesting.and i shouldn't say the man, the-rapist?

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if i came to the cops and was like, "i was robbed".

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they'd be like, "oh shit, let's help you." but if i was like, "someone assaulted me." they'd be like-

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"why are you doing this?" and so people are less inclined even in the legal system, like-

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the legal system doesn't know how to handle it at all.

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i'm certainly very hopeful that things will be significantly better in the next decade.

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they just say, you really asked a large number of men.

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yeah, i've done that. so where is the disconnect here?

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they are called l7. they play punk music. they are a feminist punk band.

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they played a show in toronto recently at that show something happened that i think happens a lot.

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so i think that up until this point, that's a pretty normal thing. i've always had women warn me about men that they didn't think were safe.

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it's something we do for each other in private, what happens-

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and i will be on this podcast. but it also got me thinking about the ways in which comedy is sort of a crazy battle.

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you're either on the ground, you're an amateur comic and you're sort of fighting that sexism from the ground up. or you become incredibly famous and all anyone ever asks-

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who cares? you know what i mean? there's so much stuff missing, so much goes missing when-

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we talk to women because all you want is the aesthetics.

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we have fascinating inner lives. we have fascinating communities. and i just want to talk to women.

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that is what this podcast is going to be about. that is why i called it cavern of secrets.

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carly rae jepsen. but it's also a nod to-

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that is, i love knowing that when i was a-

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... freshman in high school, someone... a neighborhood mom didn't know, i lived in oak park, illinois, and thought i was dressed up as me.

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women are like you're, you're inspiring.

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but is it fun? it's so nice. i mean, i think that's cool. i feel inspired by-

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oh my god. a few weeks ago, i went to this thing in new york called teen art salon-

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... and it was all this work from... by teenagers. and i normally find artists for rookie because people are posting their stuff on instagram and tumblr and what not.

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but these were like-


... teenagers who really weren't trying to put themselves out there? and it was really special to see the stuff they had been making just for themselves, and then they were kind of begrudgingly like, "okay, you can-"

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"... use it." but i was like, "oh, wow."

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but yeah, the goal really is to be 15 years old and be able to just be alone and explore your ideas. and then a few days later-

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... i interviewed adrian [tomina 00:01:42] and he said that he's always trying to make-

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... cartooning feel the way it did when he was a teenager, when it... you just shut the world out and time disappears.

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it's funny, but it's super nice. i feel like there's a lot that can be learned from, i don't know, younger people.

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yeah. i agree.sorry. i just get excited when i talk about-no, i like their [crosstalk 00:02:10]. there's something to me about... i think there's something really-

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... disingenuous about the notion that art isn't anything, unless you make it for other people, or axiom or whatever that goes around.

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artist if no one ever sees it. and i think that's like incredibly disingenuous.

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i remember in... at some point in high school, i became aware that, "oh, maybe it-"

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"... is affecting me in some negative way that i am so accustomed to having an audience."

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and when he passed away, they found all of this stuff in his house where he had just created this really elaborate world through paintings and writing.

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while these stories of these children, the vivian girls, that's where the band gets their name.

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he is meant to service its readers, but there is, i always want there to be-

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you know, it's like, there are the pieces that are more instructive and concretely about whatever the reader's going through, and then there's stuff that's just like-

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... look at what this girl made. amazing. her sketchbook, so cute. not in much better words, but yeah, no, i mean,

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there's something that's always like really fascinated me about kafka on his death bed was like, "just burn it all-

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"... you just burn it." he's the best running... guy named max brod was there, and he was like, "you got to get rid of all of it."

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i think pop music is so interesting because it accounts for the listener and the listening experience.

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but we are, in this day and age, so accustomed to needing feedback or needing to be acknowledged for everything we do for it to feel like it happened, to generalize a lot-

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... but i've certainly like grown up on the internet, and-

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... it's not even just... if i've published it online, but-

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... just as a diary keeper, like if i've written it down or something. so like, if i didn't-

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... then i'm confused. but then i'm like, well, i can't spend half my day writing about the other half of the day.

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i read an interview with you recently where you were talking about sort of-

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yeah, i agree. it always bothers me. i think there's a list somewhere of like-

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... and i think it, it just bothers me because it's not, yeah. it makes-

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... feminism feel like, "are you with us or against us," and it does sort of boil it down to-

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it makes feminism seem like a buzzword, and not a really complicated movement set of.

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... beliefs-lived experience.yeah, some of that, people's lives. yeah.

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i think one of the things that i really like about rookie is that, the idea that it's a place for

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women to navigate, and especially young women, to navigate these kind of ideas.

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yeah. thank you. that makes me really happy to hear you say that because i feel like i...

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i definitely come from a world where i was a very political teenager.

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i feel like i... i hope i'm learning and growing all the time. but yeah, even since rookie has started,

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i feel like the way that i think about my job at rookie has changed so much just from that feedback from readers, and also from seeing

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something. and someone's phone goes off, and people roll their eyes, and

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it's assumed that young people are on their phones all the time. it's always an older...

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and have come up with it, but my dad is like, "look at this tiny robot."

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but older people spend more time on their phones. yeah.

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and then when they're on their phones too, they never figured out how to turn off the noises that it makes when you...

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i'm bad for generalizing about boomers, and then my dad is like...

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or something? no, he's just a weirdo that i think the first time he ever saw a calculator...

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back in the day, they weren't incredibly affordable, but my dad sort of pieced one together. so he's always, he's actually...

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my mom, now she has an iphone and maybe it's more intuitive, but for a while,

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she had a slide phone, and she didn't know how to delete

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typos or characters she didn't mean to type. so i'd get a text that would be like, "hey," and then...

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my best friend taught her mom how to use emojis, and her mom is one of the smartest women...

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she's the kind of business woman that if you asked me what she did, i'd be like, "i don't know."

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turn her phone to me, and she'll just have a message from her mom that's like...

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i'm really fascinated by your transition from just talking about fashion, to wanting to talk about more...

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i am fascinated by fashion in terms of art, but i've always felt... especially in the last probably like five years,

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i began to feel like wildly alienated by fashion writing, and that whole world where i was just like,

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"and if my ankles look like this..."

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there's this idea around fashion writing

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that's teaching you how to dress for your body or showing you stuff that they're like, "this is cool, but you can't wear it."

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that because i was so young, it's like i wasn't expecting to be able to relate to any of it. so i would

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buy italian vogue, but skip everything until the photo editorials,

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and then i was just excited by it. and i felt so far removed from it,

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felt like i was supposed to look like that because i was prepubescent and androgynous. so

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they were just like dolls or aliens, and i felt like i could just be excited by the clothes and write about

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that. and then when i started...

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not make you


dislike yourself, and there were some fashion magazines that do that.

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but i was, i guess... i mean, with rookie,

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whenever we have fashion content, it's more like fun diys or stuff like that.

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i love to look at it and go, "oh my god." you put teenage lauren into that. do you know what i mean? it feels like i look at it, and i'm like, "oh

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i even nostalgically relate to this." when i was a teenager, seventeen magazine was definitely just skinny ladies in the bathing suits together.

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don't have stuff that's like... some of it is more about fashion as self-expression and a way of being super creative, and not worrying about

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wearing something flattering. i still also don't want girls to feel like they have to be...

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so that i look more put together, and my skin is even, or whatever. so there's stuff like that too,

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but yeah. and i


find that even in the past few years, i think because of sites, more feminist minded women sites,

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even magazines like cosmo or elle or a teen vogue have become more friendly to

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women who want more of

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both who don't want to have to choose between fashion and feminism.

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and i think that this sort of

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wave, or whatever we're going to call it, of feminism, where the idea that being

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interested in what you're wearing, and interested in what you look like is not mutually exclusive from being political.

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that makes a lot of sense to me. it's always made a lot of sense to me. i've always been a

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backlash, i mean, there is a backlash. but the idea that focusing on

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yourself is not feminism or focusing on aesthetics is not feminism.

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sometimes the things that speak to me stylistically are because there's some kind of pressure or standard

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i feel i need to meet as to how i look. but i think most of the things that resonate with me aesthetically

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are for other reasons, like [inaudible 00:00:57]

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i really love, or they remind me of a cartoonist

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that i was really into in high school or something. and again, even if it's not that.

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i remember one time in high school, a guy who i often debated with in english class was like...

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[laughter 00:01:19] i felt like it's not the

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age of the dinosaurs and i get to decide what's important to me. this is the world we live in now or your appearance

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[inaudible 00:01:30] completely. so if you can harness that in a way that makes you feel good, even if you are kind of

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playing the game and not just being a fashion weirdo.

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also, i think there's something subversive to what

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feminism is or where a woman belongs in society.

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what the fuck kind of binary's do you live your life by. the cognitive dissonance inherited there is mind blowing, right?

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i said to him, i think it's subversive. if you're a woman and you are

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really good looking and you go out to the bar with not a fucking lick of money in your pocket and you get drinks bought for you the whole night. that's feminism to me. yeah.

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also, i just don't


care. i don't know, people are doing different things in their personal lives all the time. i don't think that's where the major issues are.

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i'm definitely in favor of,

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and this is sort of a bit of a tangent from that, but i'm definitely in favor of the idea call out culture. but i think that

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being so invested in someone's personal life, that you'd be like, you let a man buy you

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a drink? how dare you? what kind of time do you have in your personal life that you would like police someone in that way? do you know what i mean?

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what we're saying about younger people having more and more access to information on the internet and more of an ability to have a voice is that i

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feel like as much as i have fatigue about

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celebrity feminism, people are a lot more aware and take those critiques more seriously. even if it is for branding reasons.

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i feel like you spent so much of your growing up online, i wonder,

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were you just, especially cause you were so young, it's easy to be very open about who you are. i wonder if you ever got to a

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point where you were almost like, "okay, i've given a lot of myself and now i have to cut it off and sort of just, i don't want to call it blanket [inaudible 00:00:03:45] ,

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but sort of putting up a veneer and being like, this is what you get to know about me and the rest i'm sort of keeping over here." i wonder if there was like a switch for you where

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you became aware of how much of yourself you were putting in public.

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it's always, it's something i think about a lot. i mean, when i started rookie,

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i started it from my bedroom and i didn't understand that, if i would email someone and ask them to do an interview

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for us, like a writer or actress or something, and then they would redirect it to their publicist. i was [inaudible 00:04:24]

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i


would come home from school and do it. it was my hobby and now it's my job. so now

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i go to the office and then when i go home, i don't check my email.

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but, i also find that when i write something, like my editor's letters,

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if something gets sort of personal, it feels like the exact right safe space to do that.

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i also don't feel like there's this huge demand of people who want to know the details of my personal life.

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i would love to... that's my next project.

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"oh, which details to share?" but it is more about like, "okay, how do i make sure that i still have a kind of a personal self that feels different from my work self?" but that's hard because at the same time it's like-

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... and maybe people who are super into school and excelling in their studies feel that way or something. but-

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for me, there's some of that where i'm like, "oh, i have-

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... i have a career self." but again, because it started from my bedroom and as always felt very personal-

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... it doesn't feel like... it's like, "yeah, i can try to put up the wall, but then i would be getting rid of the-

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... element that makes it special." when i moved into a new apartment this year-

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... i was like, "i'm not going to have a desk when i come home, no work."

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"i'm just going to have a couch, tv, cereal, just those three-

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... things in an empty apartment."

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but then at some point i... there was a nice ikea desk out on the street in front of my place. [crosstalk 00:01:29] and i was like, "yeah." it was free and i was like,-

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"it's who i am." i don't know. i can't. i have to write when i wake up.

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i can't get to the coffee shop first. i-

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... not all of it has to be shared.

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yeah.but i also feel like-

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i don't know. i just think... i'm writing something right now that i think is like a little book and it's really, really personal.

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i had a thing last week where it-

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i realized how much i wasn't including-

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... just cause i had created some division in my mind of like what was appropriate and what wasn't.mm-hmm (affirmative).and i was like, "what if i actually share-

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... exciting to me then-

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no, i think i understand that inclination.

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it's not that it's too personal because it's like, "not i was drunk-

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too personal." because i think it's embarrassing to admit to some of the ways in which i process the world, which is-

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... can be lonely or ugly or selfish.

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but then i was thinking about [miranda july 00:02:54]-

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... who i feel like she's someone whom i feel-

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... you could never, ever discussed because she would just like you more for putting it out there.

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talks and [inaudible 00:03:11]. i'm not a very-

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most people who know me would say that i'm emotionally closed off, but i won't get on stage and talk about some embarrassing shit. i will talk about it. and it's all very personal. in the moment-

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... it's so visceral. it feels so good to get it out-

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oh my god. i just let those people watch me process that.right.do i mean, and you get that sort of-

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... afterward sense of embarrassment, but that inclination to just-

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it's like get up and write something or say something that makes people relate to you, but also sort of maybe makes people-

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... think differently about something or... i don't know, i understand that so much.

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yeah. i also think that likability and relate-ability are really boring and i-

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... appreciate people being really candid and grow-

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... monstrous people. and i guess that line is different for everyone. but-

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... watching someone process something... i think that's generous to do that. at the same time, there are some people where i'm like,-

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"i never in my life want to hear another mark maron monologue.oh my god.

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so it's up to the audience to decide. i don't know. but i feel like that feeling is-

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... it's probably annoying to keep talking about this thing that i haven't even finished yet.

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but it's sort of like there was a first version of it and i was like, "okay, perfect, lovely."

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i know what it is. this occurred to me that i could write whatever i wanted. and-

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i was like, "oh yeah, don't you want to learn about yourself? don't you want to..." it's so-

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i feel like one of the goals in art is to get to a place where you don't know what you look like.yes. oh my god.and you're just so-

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... in it.yeah.and you run the risk of losing your self-awareness, and looking-

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... insane or any number of things.

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but, that to me is like... i have a deeply ingrained-

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... stubbornness about authenticity, and not being a coward, and-

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... earnestness conquering over sincerity or over-

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... irony. something like this, it's become very important to me.yeah. i think that's great. i mean, i definitely-

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anyone younger than me is interested in sincerity and earnestness, because i find myself getting tripped up in that a lot.right, right.

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read the marc maron thing. i think-

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... that's fascinating. and i think the reason that probably you and i and lots of people who aren't straight-

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... white guys are tired of that and why we find it fascinating in ourselves-

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... people of color, or queer people or whatever, it's because it's not a story that's been told. i listen to marc maron, and i'm like, "buddy, call me."

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... and then you can stop whining about it.yeah.

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do you know what i mean?i know.i'm a 29 year old woman who can literally just fix your wife.

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my friend wrote something [inaudible 00:01:56] on her tumblr about maggie nelson and a-

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... a little blurb about her book by wayne koestenbaum, where he called her a trespasser, and he was talking about who has a right to trespass. and i do, i mean-

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yeah, there is a lot more space for me to put it all out there and be unlikable and whatnot. so, that has to be taken into consideration. but i do think that that is why-

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... when marc maron gets into it, i'm just like, "you've been given too much time to think about these things."

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he's my dad's age. like, you're dating women my age and you're like, "why isn't this working? why is my life in shambles?" and like, "oh my god." i mean, but i have [inaudible 00:02:38] like-

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my agent is so much like me and she's like, "i love that he exposes it."

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oh my gosh.maggie nelson [crosstalk 00:02:51] from that book.yes. that book is incredible.

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it's not her new book, but a review of her new book about the argonauts that my therapist sent me to be like-

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why don't... it's about her and writers-

W-AY1 D-AA1-N T-IH1-T S-AH0 B-AW1-T HH-ER0 AH0-N D-R-AY1 T-ER0-Z


i really liked bluets, because it doesn't lead with the juicy details of this relationship. but, i'm in a position where i'm like, "well-"

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... "if those details serve the ideas you're exploring, it feels like-"

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... to omit them out of a need.

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it's not like it's about him or just... i really don't want to publish something that's like, the juicy details that my-

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it's like, you can't... it's so hard to resist including everything, when it's illuminating the same bigger idea.yeah.

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and i think that, for me, bluets was a really brilliant sort of like meditation on... i mean, she's clearly speaking about something.yeah.but it felt-

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it felt more like she was talking about it from an angle of-

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perception and from an angle of loss. and i felt like-

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... yeah, like the relationship served as an illuminating thing for all of these other things that she wanted to cover in this obsession that she had and-

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i mean, it's so hard to write book blurbs. but i feel like boiling it down to being about a relationship is so-i know.it's such a naive reading of it.

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... in her writing.does it feel like-

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when you're doing stand up, the part of what helps with processing it and feel like-

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... you're able to share is like audience response or is it just kind of like happening, or? i mean-

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that's a kind of form that i have no insight into. i don't even know how you do that.

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the combination of a performative aspect and a storytelling aspect is fun.

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i like to go to people. i like to be on stage. and for me it's like-

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i mean, i'm in my own head to a point. most writers i know are-

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she does in that sense is writing. before we went on she was like, "i'm so nervous".

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why? you're like one of the best conversationalist-

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i don't know. it's not... for whatever reason, your dna, the world, how you grow up, it builds you in this way-

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where you enjoy that and nothing about... you don't have to be like henry darger toiling away, and he was making paintings. that's also kind of sad and-

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well, because it feels like, i feel like it's sort of the same.

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it must be the same if you're a writer. i remember when i started doing comedy.

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the idea of... what was more scary than getting on stage? was telling people that i was a comedian.

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and i feel like lots of people i know who are writers are... unless they've been doing it for a long ass time, their first inclination is not to say "i'm a writer".

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i know. i think imposter syndrome is just really built into-

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sort of creative fields where-

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you kind of, if you're waiting for some kind of confirmation that you do-

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like my friend was talking about why she feels like she can't be an artist. and i was like, "you do it though."

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but, i think once the question of identity comes into it, that's where the fear creeps in.

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yeah. and i think, yeah, i mean, i think-

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we have an idea for a reality show and it's called "two young women fix your life".

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you can also find us on our website. it's cavernofsecrets.-

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we are at cavern of secrets. and if i can just jump back-

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so if you could give us a rating on itunes that would be very lovely.

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too skinny. i've been, not that i don't know if there's any such thing as too skinny. i'm trying really not to-

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but i think what's really fills me with anxiety about working out again-

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probably doesn't need an introduction. but i'm going to give it to her anyway.

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yeah. i think i listened to it recently and i was like, "oh yeah. that sounds like it was made-"

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you know he's written some poppy songs this year, but i really love him on that drake record.

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yeah. yeah. he's great.yeah.sort of slightly before that he had put out that house of balloons mix tape which was-very long, right?yeah. and had everyone in toronto.

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yeah. i feel like justin trudeau is hella corny as well.

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i would say. and right before the election-

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i somehow got kept getting put on the liberal party of canada mailing lists.

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yeah. i hate the disingenuousness of signing it like, "from justin trudeau" i was like, "bitch, i know you didn't write this email." cue, please.

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she was like, what a luxury to complain about, an 11-week election cycle. she's like, "i'm sick. i'm sick of it. i'm done".yeah. we've had-

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not at all. and she's always pairing up with interesting people. she just did-

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but she also knows how to not take herself too seriously. it's a nice balance.

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for this ability to let people know how sort of the kinship you felt with them. i think that still existed. that sense of-

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i think really fosters that and really makes that more pronounced where i do get a sense that people feel a connection and that's-

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hopefully is insightful, and self-aware that people think like, "well-

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if i would be living the sort of creative life that i live now, and i was like-

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i thought that was my place in the dichotomy.

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but i think it's interesting when you grow older and the lines are so blurred.

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first, by the ways that they've been fans and the ways that they've professed their fandom. that's an exciting time.

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and i guess i do ask questions, but that would be where my next question is-

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to wrap. i think about someone like... even someone like makonnen or someone earlier than that, like soulja boy, who took-

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before, the art was ready, but does that matter? does it matter if your process,

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what makes you an artist, what gets into the canon, all of that stuff is... i think it needs to be re-evaluated anyways.

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when that is coming to me, mediated through the same screen as some [inaudible 00:00:22].

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is that more than a scullery made in a whole year? fuck yeah it is.

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all they're getting into. they're just like the kardashians. yes. they've all had so much...

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apparently the reason they ate them almost to extinction is because they're so good. in his diaries, he wrote that they taste better than beef,

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chicken, lamb, marrow, butter. they tastes better than butter? do you know what i mean?

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i got to eat this. we need some fresh water and some of this delicious turtle. so, humans are the worse.

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you would just think any of us could end up with this turtle, like a tortoise.

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oh man, who doesn't? well, who is the one michelangelo that painted the ceiling.

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pacific northwest as a character. and i wonder if that was intentional or if it just is. historically...

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