... mobile phones in all schools, allowing students only in their senior years to have access to mobile devices in schools.

M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N Z-IH0 N-AO1-L-S K-UW1-L Z-AH0 L-AW1 IH0-NG-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T S-OW1 N-L-IY0 IH0-N DH-EH1-R S-IY1 N-Y-ER0 Y-IH1-R-Z T-UW1 HH-AE1 V-AE1-K S-EH2-S T-UW1 M-OW1 B-AH0-L D-IH0 V-AY1 S-AH0 Z-IH0-N-S K-UW1-L-Z


... 2018, the government held a review into mobile devices.

T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 EY0 T-IY1-N DH-AH0 G-AH1 V-ER0 M-AH0-N-T HH-EH1-L D-AH0 R-IY2 V-Y-UW1 IH0-N T-UW1 M-OW1 B-AH0-L D-IH0 V-AY1 S-AH0-Z


... other measures to restrict and minimize potential distractions and bullying issues to do with mobile phones. and then this year-

AH1 DH-ER0 M-EH1 ZH-ER0-Z T-UW1 R-IY0-S T-R-IH1-K T-AH0-N D-M-IH1 N-AH0 M-AY2-Z P-AH0 T-EH1-N SH-AH0-L D-IH0-S T-R-AE1-K SH-AH0-N Z-AH0-N-D B-UH1 L-IY0 IH0 NG-IH1 SH-UW0-Z T-UW1 D-UW1 W-IH1 DH-M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N Z-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-N DH-IH1 S-Y-IH1-R


... in 2019, the victorian state government have announced they're going to have a statewide ban-

IH0-N T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 N-AY1-N T-IY1-N DH-AH0 V-IH0-K T-AO1 R-IY0 AH0-N-S T-EY1-T G-AH1 V-ER0 M-AH0-N-T HH-AE1 V-AH0 N-AW1-N-S-T TH-EH1-R G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 HH-AE1 V-AH0-S T-EY1 T-W-AY2-D B-AE1-N


now these policies are not without controversy themselves.

N-AW1 DH-IY1-Z P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 Z-AA1-R N-AA1 T-W-IH0 TH-AW1-T K-AA1-N T-R-AH0 V-ER2 S-IY0 DH-EH0-M S-EH1-L-V-Z


there are people with strong arguments on both sides for and against policies of banning. one of the major arguments that gets presented against a policy of banning mobile phones-

DH-EH1 R-AA1-R P-IY1 P-AH0 L-W-IH1-DH-S T-R-AO1 NG-AA1-R G-Y-AH0 M-AH0-N-T S-AA1-N B-OW1-TH S-AY1-D-Z F-AO1 R-AH0-N D-AH0 G-EH1-N-S-T P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 Z-AH1-V B-AE1 N-IH0 NG-W-AH1 N-AH1-V DH-AH0 M-EY1 JH-ER0 AA1-R G-Y-AH0 M-AH0-N-T-S DH-AE1-T G-EH1-T-S P-R-IY0 Z-EH1-N T-AH0 D-AH0 G-EH1-N-S T-AH0 P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 AH1-V B-AE1 N-IH0-NG M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N-Z


... genie that's been led out of the bottle. it's-

JH-IY1 N-IY0 TH-AE1-T-S B-IH1 N-L-EH1 D-AW1 T-AH1-V DH-AH0 B-AA1 T-AH0 L-IH1-T-S


... and that maybe the best approach is to educate-

AH0-N-D DH-AE1 T-M-EY1 B-IY0 DH-AH0 B-EH1-S T-AH0 P-R-OW1 CH-IH1-Z T-UW1 EH1 JH-AH0 K-EY2-T


... students in its appropriate use. not necessarily just ban access to it in the place where they are supposed to be doing most of their-

S-T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T S-IH0 N-IH1-T S-AH0 P-R-OW1 P-R-IY0 AH0 T-Y-UW1 S-N-AA1 T-N-EH2 S-AH0 S-EH1 R-AH0 L-IY0 JH-AH1-S-T B-AE1 N-AE1-K S-EH2-S T-UW1 IH1 T-IH0-N DH-AH0 P-L-EY1 S-W-EH1-R DH-EY1 AA1-R S-AH0 P-OW1-Z-D T-UW1 B-IY1 D-UW1 IH0-NG M-OW1-S T-AH1-V DH-EH1-R


... learning and social development. on the other hand, schools-

L-ER1 N-IH0 NG-AH0-N-D S-OW1 SH-AH0-L D-IH0 V-EH1 L-AH0 P-M-AH0-N T-AA1-N DH-AH0 AH1 DH-ER0 HH-AE1-N-D-S K-UW1-L-Z


... among students, but also between adults and students and even in some cases between teachers and students.

AH0 M-AH1-NG-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T-S B-AH1 T-AO1-L S-OW0 B-IH0 T-W-IY1 N-AH0 D-AH1-L-T S-AH0-N-D-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T S-AH0-N D-IY1 V-IH0 N-IH0-N S-AH1-M K-EY1 S-AH0-Z B-IH0 T-W-IY1-N T-IY1 CH-ER0 Z-AH0-N-D-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T-S


now here in australia, one of the leading voices in favor of banning mobile phones in schools is-

N-AW1 HH-IY1 R-IH0 N-AO0-S T-R-EY1 L-Y-AH0 W-AH1 N-AH1-V DH-AH0 L-IY1 D-IH0-NG V-OY1 S-AH0 Z-IH0-N F-EY1 V-ER0 AH1-V B-AE1 N-IH0-NG M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N Z-IH0-N-S K-UW1-L Z-IH1-Z


so i took the opportunity to speak with dr. carr-gregg-

S-OW1 AY1 T-UH1-K DH-AH0 AA2 P-ER0 T-UW1 N-AH0 T-IY0 T-UW1-S P-IY1 K-W-IH1-DH D-R-AY1-V K-AA1-R G-R-IH0-JH


... as the main drivers behind a policy ban.

AE1-Z DH-AH0 M-EY1-N D-R-AY1 V-ER0-Z B-IH0 HH-AY1-N D-AH0 P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 B-AE1-N


... carr-greg, thank you very much for your time.

K-AA1-R G-R-IH0-G TH-AE1-NG K-Y-UW1 V-EH1 R-IY0 M-AH1-CH F-AO1 R-Y-AO1-R T-AY1-M


... which recommended a ban of mobile phones in primary schools. and also recently the victorian government have announced a complete ban in primary and high schools of mobile phones-

W-IH1 CH-R-EH2 K-AH0 M-EH1-N D-AH0 D-AH0 B-AE1 N-AH1 V-M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N Z-IH0-N P-R-AY1 M-EH2 R-IY0-S K-UW1-L Z-AH0-N D-AO1-L S-OW0 R-IY1 S-AH0-N T-L-IY0 DH-AH0 V-IH0-K T-AO1 R-IY0 AH0-N G-AH1 V-ER0 M-AH0-N-T HH-AE1 V-AH0 N-AW1-N-S T-AH0 K-AH0-M P-L-IY1-T B-AE1 N-IH0-N P-R-AY1 M-EH2 R-IY0 AH0-N-D HH-AY1-S K-UW1-L Z-AH1 V-M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N-Z


... which you spoken in favor of.

W-IH1 CH-Y-UW1-S P-OW1 K-AH0 N-IH0-N F-EY1 V-ER0 AH1-V


why do you think a ban is the most appropriate policy for dealing with technology in schools?

W-AY1 D-UW1 Y-UW1 TH-IH1-NG K-AH0 B-AE1 N-IH1-Z DH-AH0 M-OW1-S T-AH0 P-R-OW1 P-R-IY0 AH0-T P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 F-AO1-R D-IY1 L-IH0 NG-W-IH1-DH T-EH0 K-N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0 IH0-N-S K-UW1-L-Z


... their talking about taking away access to the internet by laptops or tablet devices, or chromebooks.

DH-EH1-R T-AO1 K-IH0 NG-AH0 B-AW1-T T-EY1 K-IH0 NG-AH0 W-EY1 AE1-K S-EH2-S T-UW1 DH-AH0 IH1-N T-ER0 N-EH2-T B-AY1 L-AE1-P T-AA2-P S-AO1-R T-AE1 B-L-AH0-T D-IH0 V-AY1 S-AH0 Z-AO1-R K-R-OW1-M B-UH2-K-S


so it's not really about-

S-OW1 IH1-T S-N-AA1 T-R-IH1 L-IY0 AH0 B-AW1-T


it is clear from new south wales court-

IH1 T-IH1-Z K-L-IH1-R F-R-AH1-M N-UW1 S-AW1 TH-W-EY1-L-Z K-AO1-R-T


they report better academic results.

DH-EY1 R-IY0 P-AO1-R-T B-EH1 T-ER0 AE2 K-AH0 D-EH1 M-IH0 K-R-IH0 Z-AH1-L-T-S


i am perfectly entitled to-

AY1 AE1-M P-ER1 F-AH0-K T-L-IY0 EH0-N T-AY1 T-AH0-L-D T-UW1


... do with young people and accessing mobile phones. why is the most-

D-UW1 W-IH1 DH-Y-AH1-NG P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AH0-N D-AE1-K S-EH2 S-IH0-NG M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N Z-W-AY1 IH1-Z DH-AH0 M-OW1-S-T


... to have medical or psychological problems who need their mobile phones to have that. there's a lot of flexibility in this policy. it is wrong to-

T-UW1 HH-AE1 V-M-EH1 D-AH0 K-AH0 L-AO1-R S-AY2 K-AH0 L-AA1 JH-IH0 K-AH0-L P-R-AA1 B-L-AH0-M-Z HH-UW1 N-IY1-D DH-EH1-R M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N-Z T-UW1 HH-AE1-V DH-AE1-T DH-EH1-R Z-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1-V F-L-EH2-K S-AH0 B-IH1 L-AH0 T-IY0 IH0-N DH-IH1-S P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 IH1 T-IH1 Z-R-AO1-NG T-UW1


well, you've also tapped into another thing i've seen raised in response to these policies of bans in schools, and that is that there is this issue of it sort of-

W-EH1 L-Y-UW1 V-AO1-L S-OW0 T-AE1-P T-IH0-N T-UW1 AH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 TH-IH1 NG-AY1-V S-IY1 N-R-EY1-Z D-IH0 N-R-IH0-S P-AA1-N-S T-UW1 DH-IY1-Z P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 Z-AH1-V B-AE1-N Z-IH0-N-S K-UW1-L Z-AH0-N-D DH-AE1 T-IH1-Z DH-AE1-T DH-EH1 R-IH1-Z DH-IH1 S-IH1 SH-UW0 AH1 V-IH1-T S-AO1-R T-AH1-V


... having a disproportionate effect for people in different socioeconomic groupings within society.

HH-AE1 V-IH0 NG-AH0 D-IH2-S P-R-AH0 P-AO1-R SH-AH0 N-IH0 T-IH0 F-EH1-K-T F-AO1-R P-IY1 P-AH0 L-IH0-N D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N-T S-OW0 S-IY2 OW2 EH2 K-AH0 N-AA1 M-IH0-K G-R-UW1 P-IH0-NG Z-W-IH0 DH-IH1-N S-AH0 S-AY1 AH0 T-IY0


my understanding is also that that was one of the issues-

M-AY1 AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N D-IH0 NG-IH1 Z-AO1-L S-OW0 DH-AE1-T DH-AE1 T-W-AA1 Z-W-AH1 N-AH1-V DH-AH0 IH1 SH-UW0-Z


how does the policy account for some of those socioeconomic differences, even just to use the example you raised before, not all schools-

HH-AW1 D-AH1-Z DH-AH0 P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 AH0 K-AW1-N-T F-AO1-R S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-OW1-Z S-OW0 S-IY2 OW2 EH2 K-AH0 N-AA1 M-IH0-K D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N S-IH0 Z-IY1 V-IH0-N JH-AH1-S-T T-UW1 Y-UW1-Z DH-AH0 IH0-G Z-AE1-M P-AH0 L-Y-UW1 R-EY1-Z-D B-IH0 F-AO1-R N-AA1 T-AO1-L-S K-UW1-L-Z


... communities might even be able to have individual student lockers for phones at schools to help enforce the ban.

K-AH0 M-Y-UW1 N-AH0 T-IY0 Z-M-AY1 T-IY1 V-IH0-N B-IY1 EY1 B-AH0-L T-UW1 HH-AE1 V-IH2-N D-AH0 V-IH1 JH-AH0 W-AH0-L-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N T-L-AA1 K-ER0-Z F-AO1-R F-OW1-N Z-AE1-T-S K-UW1-L-Z T-UW1 HH-EH1-L P-EH0-N F-AO1-R-S DH-AH0 B-AE1-N


yeah. i may not raise that with the minister of education in victoria. and i said that you're got to expect kids to-

Y-AE1 AY1 M-EY1 N-AA1 T-R-EY1-Z DH-AE1 T-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 AH1 V-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-IH0-N V-IH0-K T-AO1 R-IY0 AH0 AH0-N D-AY1 S-EH1-D DH-AE1 T-Y-UH1-R G-AA1-T T-UW1 IH0-K-S P-EH1-K-T K-IH1-D-Z T-UW1


... put their phones in lockers, you have to provide schools with lockers.

P-UH1-T DH-EH1-R F-OW1-N Z-IH0 N-L-AA1 K-ER0 Z-Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 P-R-AH0 V-AY1-D-S K-UW1-L Z-W-IH1 DH-L-AA1 K-ER0-Z


so there's an infrastructure spend there. you can't have your cake and eat it.

S-OW1 DH-EH1-R Z-AE1 N-IH2-N F-R-AH0-S T-R-AH1-K CH-ER0-S P-EH1-N-D DH-EH1 R-Y-UW1 K-AE1-N-T HH-AE1 V-Y-AO1-R K-EY1 K-AH0-N D-IY1 T-IH1-T


local store owners a dollar a day to store their phones and the kids were walking out of the school and making phone calls.

L-OW1 K-AH0-L-S T-AO1 R-OW1 N-ER0 Z-AH0 D-AA1 L-ER0 AH0 D-EY1 T-UW1-S T-AO1-R DH-EH1-R F-OW1-N Z-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 K-IH1-D Z-W-ER0 W-AO1 K-IH0 NG-AW1 T-AH1-V DH-AH0-S K-UW1 L-AH0-N D-M-EY1 K-IH0-NG F-OW1-N K-AO1-L-Z


some victorian schools have adopted this policy. the problem we have is that there isn't a good-

S-AH1-M V-IH0-K T-AO1 R-IY0 AH0-N-S K-UW1-L-Z HH-AE1 V-AH0 D-AA1-P T-AH0-D DH-IH1-S P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 DH-AH0 P-R-AA1 B-L-AH0 M-W-IY1 HH-AE1 V-IH1-Z DH-AE1-T DH-EH1 R-IH1 S-AH0-N T-AH0 G-UH1-D


... evidence base for any of these four models of secondary school use, which is why in my report to the new south wales-

EH1 V-AH0 D-AH0-N-S B-EY1-S F-AO1 R-EH1 N-IY0 AH1-V DH-IY1-Z F-AO1-R M-AA1 D-AH0-L Z-AH1-V S-EH1 K-AH0-N D-EH2 R-IY0-S K-UW1 L-Y-UW1 S-W-IH1 CH-IH1 Z-W-AY1 IH0-N M-AY1 R-IY0 P-AO1-R-T T-UW1 DH-AH0 N-UW1 S-AW1 TH-W-EY1-L-Z


so how distinct is cyber bullying from some of the traditional forms that still caused problems in school communities?

S-OW1 HH-AW1 D-IH0-S T-IH1-NG-K T-IH1-Z S-AY1 B-ER0 B-UH1 L-IY0 IH0-NG F-R-AH1-M S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-AH0 T-R-AH0 D-IH1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L F-AO1-R-M-Z DH-AE1-T-S T-IH1-L K-AA1-Z-D P-R-AA1 B-L-AH0-M Z-IH0-N-S K-UW1-L K-AH0 M-Y-UW1 N-AH0 T-IY0-Z


... 24/7. it doesn't go away. it's got a multiplier effect. a lot more people see it, and they're a witness to it.

T-W-EH1-N T-IY0 F-AO1-R S-EH1 V-AH0-N-TH S-IH1-T D-OW1 S-AH0-N-T G-OW1 AH0 W-EY1 IH1-T-S G-AA1 T-AH0 M-AH1-L T-AH0 P-L-AY2 ER0 IH0 F-EH1-K T-AH0 L-AA1 T-M-AO1-R P-IY1 P-AH0-L S-IY1 IH1 T-AH0-N-D TH-EH1 R-AH0 W-IH1 T-N-AH0-S T-UW1 IH1-T


... time period. what would you see as the metrics for success of a school ban policy?

T-AY1-M P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0 D-W-AH1 T-W-UH1 D-Y-UW1 S-IY1 AE1-Z DH-AH0 M-EH1 T-R-IH0-K-S F-AO1-R S-AH0-K S-EH1 S-AH1 V-AH0-S K-UW1-L B-AE1-N P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0


an improvement in academic performance, all of which we-

AE1 N-IH0-M P-R-UW1 V-M-AH0-N T-IH0 N-AE2 K-AH0 D-EH1 M-IH0-K P-ER0 F-AO1-R M-AH0-N S-AO1 L-AH1 V-W-IH1 CH-W-IY1


... jurisdictions and not others across australia?

JH-UH2 R-IH0-S D-IH1-K SH-AH0-N Z-AH0-N D-N-AA1 T-AH1 DH-ER0 Z-AH0 K-R-AO1 S-AO0-S T-R-EY1 L-Y-AH0


... for laws to change very, very quickly.

F-AO1-R L-AO1-Z T-UW1 CH-EY1-N-JH V-EH1 R-IY0 V-EH1 R-IY0 K-W-IH1 K-L-IY0


... technology. is there a need for some sort of transitional program to make sure that students get that education, or do you have a proposal-

T-EH0 K-N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0 IH1-Z DH-EH1 R-AH0 N-IY1-D F-AO1-R S-AH1-M S-AO1-R T-AH1-V T-R-AE0-N S-IH1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L P-R-OW1 G-R-AE2-M T-UW1 M-EY1-K SH-UH1-R DH-AE1-T-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T-S G-EH1-T DH-AE1 T-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AO1-R D-UW1 Y-UW1 HH-AE1 V-AH0 P-R-AH0 P-OW1 Z-AH0-L


... territories do it, and we need to get that across the country queensland-

T-EH1 R-AH0 T-AO2 R-IY0-Z D-UW1 IH1 T-AH0-N D-W-IY1 N-IY1-D T-UW1 G-EH1-T DH-AE1 T-AH0 K-R-AO1-S DH-AH0 K-AH1-N T-R-IY0 K-W-IY1-N Z-L-AE2-N-D


... as they go to cyber safety framework.

AE1-Z DH-EY1 G-OW1 T-UW1 S-AY1 B-ER0 S-EY1-F T-IY0 F-R-EY1 M-W-ER2-K


but you're absolutely correct. education will always be the most important underpinning of creating great cyber-

B-AH1 T-Y-UH1 R-AE2-B S-AH0 L-UW1 T-L-IY0 K-ER0 EH1-K T-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-W-IH1 L-AO1 L-W-EY2-Z B-IY1 DH-AH0 M-OW1-S T-IH0-M P-AO1-R T-AH0-N T-AH1-N D-ER0 P-IH2 N-IH0 NG-AH1-V K-R-IY0 EY1 T-IH0-NG G-R-EY1-T S-AY1 B-ER0


... focus on banning mobile phone devices, not.

F-OW1 K-AH0 S-AA1-N B-AE1 N-IH0-NG M-OW1 B-AH0-L F-OW1-N D-IH0 V-AY1 S-AH0 Z-N-AA1-T


he did sign some legal cases where schools have been held accountable-

HH-IY1 D-IH1-D S-AY1-N S-AH1 M-L-IY1 G-AH0-L K-EY1 S-AH0 Z-W-EH1-R-S K-UW1-L-Z HH-AE1-V B-IH1-N HH-EH1-L D-AH0 K-AW1-N T-AH0 B-AH0-L


... because the students were primarily in contact in that school context-

B-IH0 K-AO1-Z DH-AH0-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T S-W-ER0 P-R-AY0 M-EH1 R-AH0 L-IY0 IH0-N K-AA1-N T-AE2-K T-IH0-N DH-AE1-T-S K-UW1-L K-AA1-N T-EH0-K-S-T


... citizenship. however, it will be interesting to check out the course that dr. michael-

S-IH1 T-IH0 Z-AH0-N SH-IH2-P HH-AW2 EH1 V-ER0 IH1 T-W-IH1-L B-IY1 IH1-N T-R-AH0-S T-IH0-NG T-UW1 CH-EH1 K-AW1-T DH-AH0 K-AO1-R-S DH-AE1-T D-R-AY1 V-M-AY1 K-AH0-L


... technology in the course of both their education and their daily lives. with six months to go until the statewide-

T-EH0 K-N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0 IH0-N DH-AH0 K-AO1-R S-AH1-V B-OW1-TH DH-EH1 R-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N-D DH-EH1-R D-EY1 L-IY0 L-IH1-V Z-W-IH1-DH S-IH1-K S-M-AH1-N-TH-S T-UW1 G-OW1 AH0-N T-IH1-L DH-AH0-S T-EY1 T-W-AY2-D


... around this. interestingly enough, there hasn't been as much discussion in new south wales-

ER0 AW1-N-D DH-IH1 S-IH1-N T-ER0 EH2-S T-IH0 NG-L-IY0 IH0 N-AH1-F DH-EH1-R HH-AE1-S-N-T B-IH1 N-AE1 Z-M-AH1-CH D-IH0-S K-AH1 SH-AH0 N-IH0-N N-UW1 S-AW1 TH-W-EY1-L-Z


... partly because in primary schools, mobile-

P-AA1-R T-L-IY0 B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-IH0-N P-R-AY1 M-EH2 R-IY0-S K-UW1-L Z-M-OW1 B-AH0-L


once a ban is imposed upon high school students, we will probably-

W-AH1-N S-AH0 B-AE1 N-IH1 Z-IH0-M P-OW1-Z D-AH0 P-AA1-N HH-AY1-S K-UW1-L-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T S-W-IY1 W-IH1-L P-R-AA1 B-AH0 B-L-IY0


if you're in a school that either has attempted a policy of banning phones for high schools, or if you're in a school that's-

IH1 F-Y-UH1 R-IH0 N-AH0-S K-UW1-L DH-AE1 T-IY1 DH-ER0 HH-AE1 Z-AH0 T-EH1-M-P T-AH0 D-AH0 P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 AH1-V B-AE1 N-IH0-NG F-OW1-N-Z F-AO1-R HH-AY1-S K-UW1-L Z-AO1 R-IH1 F-Y-UH1 R-IH0 N-AH0-S K-UW1-L TH-AE1-T-S


... taken another proactive approach to education and management of mobile devices for students-

T-EY1 K-AH0 N-AH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 P-R-OW1 AE1-K T-IH0 V-AH0 P-R-OW1-CH T-UW1 EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N D-M-AE1 N-AH0 JH-M-AH0-N T-AH1 V-M-OW1 B-AH0-L D-IH0 V-AY1 S-AH0-Z F-AO1-R-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T-S


... to carry on this discussion and look at the experiences of schools that have both attempted bans and also looked at other approaches to digital-

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... around australia, whether you are in the middle of your holidays or soon to be heading back to school, that you are taking the-

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... hopefully be back with us for our next episode in a fortnight's time. recently, i've been-

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i purchased myself note books. i've been-

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... today, but also something that i think a lot of people in schools can relate to. at the heart of functional stupidity is the idea-

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... of this strange paradox that institutions-

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... and obviously they're talking about businesses, but that institutions-

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... people and then often tell them to do routine work that does not ask them to engage the very intellect for which they were hired.

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... empowering and inspirational. and then you get into a school-

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... else. i found that a really a helpful guide for a bit of self-reflection, thinking-

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... necessarily in the workplace.

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maybe you need to be reconsidered for their actual impact as opposed to their perceived impact.

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as i said, however, that book-

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... a reasonable way through is called a beginner's guide to the mantle of the expert: a transformative approach to education-

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... that gives a very easy to understand and access guide to this teaching method.

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you could argue it has a slightly greater application towards-

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... early high school years, but it is a role-playing approach to teaching that puts children in the position of being an expert in a field and getting to role-play.

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i purchased myself, i'm not plugging other people's products for money or for free gear.

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but if you're looking for something interesting to provoke some new ideas in the classroom, i-

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think i can recommend that one quite safely because i'm finding it quite a riveting read myself.

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and it relates to recent reports of professor diane halpern's presentation to the australian psychological society congress.

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australia, we have a long history of single-sex education in parts of our education system.

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that are girls only or boys only. it's a practice that has different levels of integration-

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benefits, particularly for girls education. they were not consistent, and that they varied from location-

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overall, the practice did not show any significant benefits. but-

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co-educational comprehensive schools, that advantage, that educational improvement, was a factor of the fact that more affluent families tend to send-

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our most elite private schools are almost all single-sex schools.

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families that are affluent, that are wealthy, that have a higher level of education. and those are factors that are fairly well acknowledged now. i don't think this is-

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of your long-term educational outcome. while schools do play-

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big part, and teaching does play a big part in helping achieve that potential, we still have not yet-

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there are a lot of people who will have gone to an all boys school, or an all girls school, and have a particular identification-

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is a lot of sense of belonging often, in cultures-

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that are segregated because you have to justify the segregation. and in reading-

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rhetoric, which while valid though it may be in the personal context, isn't actually useful in evaluating a whole section or a whole-

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because this one report, or this one person, has said that there's no impact.

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is, it's an example of one of those practices in education that are implemented, sometimes unquestioningly.

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you would fight a wave of tradition and conservatism about the identity of the school-

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just as much as you may be fighting then against any actual academic arguments or social-

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tied up in the issue of single-sex education.

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of their failure to achieve the-

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but also the potential negative-

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do we still want live in a world where we separate and segregate by sex?

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and secondly, do we want to be in a society where tradition-

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it's a problem that we've seen crop up with a number of major educational practices. and-

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yet they were embraced. they were carried on, potentially out of a sense of tradition, and there are stories out there of-

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based on segregation. segregating students according to-

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styles because of the absence of the critical evaluation of the implementation of those practices.

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so again, to get back to the question of tolerating potentially negative, unintended consequences for the sake of tradition-

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it's an aspect of the education debate that doesn't come up-

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what message does that send to those students about their individual value?

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those prices are a bit ridiculous, but-

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the unintended consequences of what may be well intentioned, educational practices-

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sex education. if you have a transgender student in a single-sex school-

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does a single-sex school have a right to reject a student who identifies with the gender, but is not of the biological sex-

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more to the point, what social pressures does it potentially put on that young person who is uncertain of their gender?

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and again, regardless of whether a student is transgender or not-

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but as professor halpern says, also potentially a stereotypical view of gender.

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negative consequences being effectively evaluated and having those practices considered in that context.

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hip-hop, to engage kids from all walks of life. but it was primarily his work with kids at risk or-

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piqued my interest. and so i wanted to find out a little bit more about how he worked.

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because it takes place in a school, you'll hear some of the telltale sounds.

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the school bell goes off, i think, in the middle of it.

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but it just gives you a little bit of an insight as to some of the work that he's doing. not only in the states, but-

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and off campus, one of the ideas i had was i would catch up with people i found interesting who i-

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bumped into on my travels and not got around to doing it until now. sitting with me right now is dr. elliot-

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yeah, what brings you to australia?yeah, so-

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really is spread pedagogy and using hip-hop as a mental health, socio-emotional intervention, and really as a way to increase engagement-

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and deliver content, i think, in a more effective, engaging, dynamic, and interesting way.

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we're also trying to empower young people as autonomous creators and artists, really taking on that as an identity. and-

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trying to be as effective as they can in expressing themselves. so there's a lot-

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it's very much based on media-

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bias, portrayal, sensationalism, and lack of fact.

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and stop gang violence amongst warring gangs, where they're out of necessity to protect themselves and give themselves some kind of resources.

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through battles. so it really is-

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to empower themselves. to give themselves a voice and-

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day, is a lack of community, and a lack of connection in relationships, and ability to relate. and hip-hop offers a vessel for that, where folks can connect. young people can connect. discover-

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from 7, 8, 9, 10, into pre-adolescence, adolescence.

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i wonder if you could just tell us just a little bit about how your work, engaging-

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those kids and some of the, whether you want to call it breakthroughs, or experiences that they have as a result of working with you guys.

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yeah, so i think about three dimensions.

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doing hip-hop, it's immediately familiar, culturally developmentally relevant. i've taught in five continents now.

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youth culture, hip-hop, electronic music-

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relationships, and through the process of making beats, making hip-hop, doing hip-hop.

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it's really in the context of the group and peer-supported and-

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media. and to have that as evidence of having done something and be able to share it through social media, through technology-

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come up with the design concept. we sent it to our-

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info@todaysfuturesound.org. you can go to our website, todays-

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sound. our youtube channel... we have a multitude of social media, has a ton of videos, and really shows what we do. so youtube.com/todaysfuturesound-

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and google us, whatever.

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so what's really been cool for me, is that as a result of getting to know elliot a bit more, i've managed to tee up a bit of a partnership-

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i guess, with some of his contacts to come and work with group of kids that i'm working with this year-

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on my travels. but i hope you got something from that. and until next time, take care, and take it easy.

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was off campus with dan hassler.

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i'm going to take a short break now and be back after this with our main feature, an interview with professor john fischetti.

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you can help us to promote and improve the show-

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our website at terpodcast.com, where you will find information on ways to contribute to the show. to help promote the show, leave us a rating and a review-

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process of assessment. and as with the earlier discussion, some of the many-

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considered punitive and a toxic approach.

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which is what experiences do they actually include and-

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what is it that makes them toxic?

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and preparing teachers. there's a group of folks that work for-

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every thursday in every school. they sit by the phone, and wait for it to ring, and know whether somebody's coming by next-

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just to see if all of the canned fruits and vegetables are lined up properly.

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it really becomes an anti-professional culture and mindset quite often-

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behave based on what's going to be inspected-

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level trade job than a profession. so it actually demeans the-

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lifeblood of what it means to be in a classroom. if you came to my class, one-off-

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it's hard to believe... was that the reality though? is that-

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[inaudible 00:00:36] then telling students what to do and badgering-

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approaches is it actually blames teachers for being in the most complex situations and reward teachers who happen to be, by the luck of where they got a job, in schools where kids-

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more than anything else. so for those working in situations that actually need help-

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it can create a much more rigid, direct instruction approach-

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so that's the component of it. that the intent is, we've got school struggling to get every kid to be successful and we can't afford that any longer in society. but it comes-

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top down approach. what are some of the systems that are doing teacher evaluation more effectively?well-

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there's a variety of approaches around the world and sometimes their success could be just-

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dumb luck. so remember, some of the models that are used that seemed to be failing and some succeeding, the countries themselves may not know. so finland has been touted for many years as a-

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for a few years, it's gone down a bit because it's hard-

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because they didn't get into the smartphone business, they-

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finland doesn't have national tests.

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taken sort of a retrograde approach, to say, "it's failed us now, let's go back-"

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"whatever basics were." they are actually going forward in a new way that doesn't seem to have the punitive nature to it at all.

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[inaudible 00:01:57] have pitfalls cause they're not perfect.

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keeping teachers fresh in content and pedagogy is the best payoff. so they haven't put in any penalties, they just continue-

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to invest in teachers new learning.

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and with some of the best results in the world.

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so as a contrast, that's a different... just a whole different philosophy of what the profession of teaching is and how we keep teachers fresh and excited every day to do what's right-

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lead teacher accreditation, as an example, and you can also become a highly accomplished teacher. those career-

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professionalize teaching. and also connect professional development, so they-

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not one-off sessions people go to and don't necessarily use. it really-

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gone through it yet, so you could see over the next several years that-

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evolving to a major force for keeping teachers professionally renewed, excited, and actually in the-

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is there much evidence to suggest it's actually going to have... or that that standards based approach would actually have a positive impact on teaching?

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it depends, i guess, on the view of whether you see investing in teachers is a better thing than investing in more ways to catch-

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them being bad. i think if... the philosophy we're just using of finland and canada is our business is to improve teaching, not to catch teachers. and it's a respect issue of professional-

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term, but i don't think we actually have the evidence that the other approach of a much more rigorous-

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on basic literacy and numeracy test, to determine whether teachers have succeeded or failed. those tests are one piece... a teacher's-

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responsibility. they are primarily reflections of the growing gap in society between the wealthy and the less wealthy, because wealthy parents have kids that do better on tests-

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very famously commented that student postcodes should not determine-

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meaning that working class families have an opportunity to have hope. and so their children see education as an-

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investment and the families know that education is an investment. most of the world now, if you look at the western influence-

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economy, particularly in australia, but in other places.

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the families that were in and have been in professions that have been automated are left with undereducated parents. so those parents themselves-

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are countries which have connected the economic revival of their country to the education revival.

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what tends to happen if it's not going that way, is we look for blame.

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it's one of the simplest solutions, where we get six to eight times on the dollar, for an investment. so high quality early childhood education for everybody starts to make that-

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but if you really look at other alternatives like shanghai-

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different philosophy. shanghai majors in testing. if you want to do well on test, shanghai schools would get-

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you ready. all they do is practice tests, practice tests some more, and take some tests and practice again. in the queue in the airport-

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mothers become the matriarchs of the family, their job is to tutor those kids so-

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well that all they do is practice.

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they test really well. but they're left then without a level of broader skills that involve the curiosity to learn, the creativity and problem solving-

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digital age innovations and companies that are actually taking, or have taken-

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that are test results and they certainly lead the world in math scores-

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teenage suicide rate, the loneliness factor, they don't really have the creativity-

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yeah. we hear about it. the issues, particularly in america, where they have a very extensive testing regime-

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driving in shanghai. is there something about a high stakes testing-

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that's a pretty good test, there for which you practice, but very few of us will say, "sit down today, cameron,-

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just as in anything we want to do well. but when that becomes-

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because we burn kids out on the rigor so early, like an athlete that over-

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there's so many people that it still looks like they're successful because the quantity and density of the population-

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so obviously the somewhat narrow focus on-

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and teacher evaluation. where is the-

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room for... i mean, you mentioned in one of your articles on the conversation, the importance of soft skills, particularly in teaching. where is the-

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evaluation, or where's the acknowledgement of interpersonal skills or of critical thinking skills beyond what can be tested in-

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but who are really good corporate citizens in that respect. and open-minded, understand cultural-

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and numeracy, which are still important-

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but play just as a smaller component of what it means to be literate in today's society.

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there's a time when we only wanted about 30% of our young people-

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outsourced, they will. and so we really have a different reality of getting every child to get their mind as keen as it can be with the opportunity-

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that's organized to assume that we have to get every child to that level, not by lowering standards, but-

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not in an economic political or moral situation that that can be the standard we use is that one third, get a ticket to their future while the rest of-

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i suppose... you really are highlighting some of those societal links between educational achievement and what's going on economically and socially. and i mean, you say, i-

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totally agree with your idea that we can't just have a system that only gives one third of students a ticket to their future. but in that increasingly-

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automated, outsourced world. and as you were suggesting before that economic downturns seem to play a big part in educational downturns.

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and if you really look at what's ahead for australia, the cuts that are-

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in the world and... that can't be lessened, but the only way to fix that-

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nope, we're continuing to raise the bar, but everyone-

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is marked with only one third going to make the top third. well, okay. what if-

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the opportunity is there just to change our scheme of assessment to a mastery learning kind of approach. and if we did that, then at least we-

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create opportunity and not roadblocks and again, before the last 20 years or so, that was fine, we didn't need everyone to-

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a class. it was by friends on friday nights trying to figure out where each other was. bill gates dropped out of harvard in order to work with his friends to develop-

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amazing and innovative. so it doesn't have to be academic pursuits for postgraduate credits. it can just be getting people in situations where they're working together to solve-

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problems and create knowledge, and amazing things transform the economy.

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so i think that's the... where i would recommend is creating a scheme of mastery learning and creating opportunities for people to get together, to be very creative-

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who sat in desk and took tests.

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university for teachers. you've mentioned finland a couple of times as an example, and they have a very famous, famously high set of standards to meet for people to even get into-

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teacher candidates or teacher graduates. is there any evidence to suggest those are actually effective approaches to raising the quality of teaching in schools towards those goals?so-

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consider teaching, it's how we define what that best is.

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the trouble with hr, it's a system that was never intended to be used for-

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university admission. it was never used to determine what the quality of anything-

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that sense, it's not using something for what it's intended, which by definition means it's invalid.

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their act together don't have the hr that might be as high and could be amazing teachers. how do-

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- we know that day one of uni?

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how do we decide you're in and you're out based on an hr, which isn't designed to predict anything. so my concern with the entrance level re-

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-quirements is, obviously we want people who are strong in basic literacy and numeracy.

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children it doesn't mean they going to communicate well with children.

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and it doesn't mean that they're healthy in any respect. it could be they doubled down on their high school at the expense of their own life. so it's just more com-

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- plicated than saying coming in. "you're going to be amazing and brilliant." countries that don't have the same needs or the same growth.

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our concern is who's left out of that that actually would be great teachers? and what right do we have-

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- as a free society to tell them their dream is off at age 17 or 18.

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or going to use that badge of high quality.

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and that's fine i just think, i don't know day one-

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- who our best teachers are in this school. i know that-

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- there won't be enough people coming to teaching.

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is there a model for a better admissions process to get?

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children's learning. the best ideas about the learning sciences as i call them, are we really sequencing things in a -

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- red is valid. the approaches to bolt on tessa beginning or end actually won't change very much because i think it's not about the real issue of is actually the curriculum.

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it's a good way, but i would use it as an multiple options approach-

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- for time, but it also means you couldn't have a bad run somewhere in high school, or if you're a mid-career or mature age coming-

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- back, you couldn't really have a opportunity to show that if you've been out of school for awhile. so what if you have run your own-

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- school and had started your own business, had all this stuff, but you didn't know how to show that since your atar or your hsc or your other admissions requirements, weren't what they needed to be.

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what if you could show a university your portfolio, which showed not only literacy and numeracy, but really the other skills that are needed, your ability to write-

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- a research paper, your ability to present to an audience, your ability to understand and organize the finances-

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- from the online business you've started. we've got kids doing amazing things all around the country that are not really part of any tests.

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so we have our traditional measures. we have our grade point average measures, and we have a portfolio admissions process for those that think that that would be a great way to go. the arts are-

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- because you've taken. because really the ability to do well at the university in your first year is-

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- that say, show us, not just tell us-

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- that you can do the work at the university and they've been able to show tremendous success of those students doing-

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-made a moral decision to take them away from their dreams. and once we've done-

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- that means it'll be closed.

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a lot of details published about-

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i think it will continue to evolve very positively.

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the piece i'm worried about is the infiltration of this inspectorate model for schools and schools of education.

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you'll see that what it's done is actually stifled any form of creativity and innovation, it's-

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- almost ruined the excitement, enthusiasm for learning. so i think it's not a model we would want to do much with, and maybe we'll-

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-have billion or more to go, that money could be diverted to healthcare. and if we do that because we blame schools, we're not showing us out-

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- deserve those fundings rather than we need to give them those resources to be able to meet the needs of all children and then hold them accountable for whether they-

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- get the results. if we take it away before we give it to them-

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- you've seen what's happened in a lot of europe now.

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you've seen what's happened in the us when they shifted and made education a problem rather than a solution and now the us leads the world in incarceration rather than graduate.

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education is not that side of ledger, education investment that pays back in the future. and if we-

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0-think we'll get better pay off later, but we're putting it on the cost side now, and that's going to cost us with this generation of kids.

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we can't afford one slacker and that's what's changed just in our lifetime.

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not, and in the past there might have been.

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right, that certainly gives an idea of what to pay attention to in the-

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- from the university of newcastle.

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qualifications in 2004 and-

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- virtually what practices are necessary to engage in positive student wellbeing and development.

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mini research project and presentation on student suicide and self-harm and standardized tests.

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- area of education and the importance of student wellbeing and education is something that has really driven me-

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- students, but also as a measure of assessing teacher achievement and teacher quality.

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so when we talk about teacher assessment, and when we talk about teacher evaluation, and again to pick up on this theme that has clearly been running now throughout this entire-

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that seem to make sense.

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we take a test, we do a test. of course,

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it helps us educational skills and achievement.

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for naplan. at no point, does a student sit down for hsc exam that asks the many questions about their wellbeing or about their stress and-

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- it becomes the unintended consequence.

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obviously i'm not giving the response to some great survey but-

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-the hard enough, or as a society.

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at the heart of it all. yeah, to tell a child in year three who feels stressed about a naplan test, because while they may not understand what educational assessment

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- ment or the intricacies of diagnostic testing in a school. all they know is that they're doing this thing called naplan.

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they've heard in the news they've they've heard their parents talking about, the school has made a big deal out of, and that they know is going to be reported publicly.

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it's not only that telling peak kids at that age or telling kids in that situation to harden up is not helpful. it's denied-

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results for example, or in-

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- educational practice and workplace culture that intersect to determine whether things-

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- have a positive or a negative effect, but -

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- any practices have now been demonstrated, i think fairly broadly through the examples of of off sted in the united kingdom, through teacher evaluations in america.

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personal statement, i don't believe it's fair to refer to them as unintended consequences.

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anybody, teacher, school, government can be really let off the hook.

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specterate stuff, investigations of teachers have been shown around the world to have a negative d profession.

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that we really no longer can consider those as unintended consequences. and again, to get back to the reason why i brought up stupidity parents.

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and as teachers.


so onto announcements for this episode, around australia-

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- we are a rapidly approaching. if you have not already reached the end of term three. so do wish-

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there are some great teach, meet events happening all around australia. we will be-

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- teach, meet futures in november, in sydney-

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- in the classroom. i'd also like to take a moment to say thank you to a few people.

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we have a get involved page on ttr podcast.com that's t e r pod-

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-contribution. you can even record a response to a question or a topic. we have the facility on our website for you to record from your computer or smartphone.

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and from that acknowledgement from talking about some of those pre-service teachers, we did get some-

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- very much to those people who took the time to comment. we have a couple of new people who've-

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- rated us on itunes, which has been very helpful.

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global education podcasts on the itunes charts rating.

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so again, thank you to everybody that's been downloading the show.

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it helps us pick up a bit more of an audience.

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again, thank you to everyone that's been listening, downloading and engaging.

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likewise, we always appreciate feedback on our website or-

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- any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse.

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or in a term that's probably easy to understand in relation to naplan and teacher assessment-

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- it says when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to become a good measure.

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but until then, this has been the teacher's education review.

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changing hemispheres. it's not like i'm leaving facebook or, or something catastrophic like that. i mean, if you do that-

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- from society on you. now speaking of catastro-

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- our in australia, so that's going to be interesting. could we have a liberal national xenophon alliance.

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look, nick xenaphon is doing well and has done in the past-

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...then he must stand for something, mustn't he? and the lnx alliance, what a thing that would be-

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...australia would just stagnate politically, if it hasn't already. nothing would ever get done, and i suspect sadly, that's how australian politics is going to continue for quite some time-

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...as well, it's looking more and more likely, and that's going to be curious. for example, this-

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...may to help the ireland situation, possibly scotland as well.

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and england left with boris-

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...gets worse and then the world's going mad...

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anyway, look, i don't know what he's going to do in this time, or you for that matter. the-

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...the balls radio listener, that 90 minutes of your week that you put aside for your sheer unadulterated listening pleasure-

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...east asia tribune. china bans-

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interracial marriage for females. no plans too strict-

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...and not enough women in china because of the one child policy favored-

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...the mums were having abortions or worse.

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the article says, i hasten to add, "for every girl below the age of 18 in-

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...boys." i think that's a load of old pig swill, isn't it? so-

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...they have this imbalance, the article says, and they're clearly worried that if chinese girls marry-

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...race, although the authorities have put a different-

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...shocking, isn't it? if it were true, but this comes from the east asia-

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...all, all on its own-


...but this year, as a result of the ever worsening-

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...la niña effect, yet it's going to take a turn for the worse-

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...all of this from that one same website, the east asia tribune. so-

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...interracial marriage been banned in china. no, i don't think so.

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let's put it that way on the program. normally of course we have what's the big idea with brian haverty, where we come up with-

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...radio, in brackets, perhaps for a little while. we're going to play towards the end of the-

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...ideas we've had on what's the big idea, five or ten of the really good ones-

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i had to laugh when you said mad max, because i knew that the first story was going to be about the son of the prime minister, that's key.yeah.but then only-

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...person in radio worldwide would call him mad max, just to start off, but that's you, and good on you-

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but he is a bit nerdy as well, isn't he really, so i think-

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he's only 21. you know, when are the drugs-

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...gonna start, the loose women. i mean, he-

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well anyway, there we are, i just wanted it to be known that there is a party animal-

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