have phonics are not being taught in classrooms. and therefore, kids are missing those basic building blocks for... that they need for reading.

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and i just found that report-

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ludicrous. i remember at the time and that there was a... she's quite good, the cis-

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and for about seven-

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or eight years, by that stage in new south wales, we had-

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mandated. and prior to that mandating...

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i don't even think it's an issue. is it called a straw man? when you have a debate about something that isn't actually happening-

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new south wales, i mean, obviously that we are continually improved our-

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practices. the other part of the argument that i hear, which is really frustrating is that it's-

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in companies that are making a hell of a lot of money out of selling phonics, schemes, and phonics programs. now i'm backing him. for example, i...

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using exclusively a whole language approach was abandoned and that you think that was a good thing. and i supposed this goes to what's stewart-

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and with the whole debate around phonics instruction-

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is necessary. and teachers about the relationship between characters and sounds and blending them together to be able to pronounce words on the-

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while it may be nice and easy to think, well, if i can teach kids to pronounce these five phonic sounds today-

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they've learned something valuable, but if the students don't see a broader purpose in the context of their learning-

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but it's always been my understanding that the issues in the education debate-

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in general, but particularly when it comes to literacy is the tendency to swing-

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wrong rather than-


a very attractive view to government...

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and to the newspapers. it's much easier to-

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think that things are simple and that we can solve them.

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there really effective and desirable practices-

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really come up with your own-

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a system that is increasingly focused on-

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when we're in a political climate. i think.

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the debate, as you mentioned is frequently about the cost of education and...

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ideas that are simple.

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it's look at what they're doing in... with cape york communities where these direct instruction, books or programs have been imported from overseas.

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you can find information at educationnation.com.au.

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corinne will be there with denniel beck-

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talking to an empty room. so-

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for example, you must do direct-

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instructional research. there's this research there's that-

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to generate solutions for their own workplaces in terms of helping their teachers to be confident in making-

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the kits for their students. so, we're actually planning to use a coaching model to guide that discussion, and we'll see where it goes. really, john's been working on that.

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[inaudible 00:00:12] trying to help people to-

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... come up with a plan for how they can-

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... things i'm doing there and would love it if people-

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headlining event, i guess, of a debate between kevin donnelly and david zinger, two people who are pretty much at the opposite ends of the-

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... spectrum when it comes to education and social education policy. so that we'll be-

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... essential to throw out some interesting ideas for consideration as well. so you can find more information about that event-

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i heard you're going to be doing something at another event happening elsewhere in australia.

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i'm just a bit-


i just don't understand why everything has to happen the first half of the year-

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... in melbourne, it's going to be held at brighton grammar school and it's on a saturday. it's been put on a-

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... saturday so that hopefully teachers can come along. the idea of the event is to bring academics-

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who you know from the-


buckingham, who i mentioned earlier in this podcast will be there as well. now i'm-

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... going to be speaking down at that event and i haven't actually worked out quite what it will be on-

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it may well be a similar thing to the education nation one. i'm also running a panel-

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.. and finally at the end of june 28th and 29th of-

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... last year. and it was one of the most interesting events that i attended because-

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... you know, maybe growing up in a very disadvantaged community-

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... or have been marginalized for some reasons. so that's going to be the 28th and 29th of june. it's at-

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well, i wasn't able to make last year's event so i'm hoping i'll-

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yeah, happy can make it [inaudible 00:02:21].and one final thing to put into the announcements. we didn't really get a chance to talk-

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... on monday. the day after this episode goes online with the budget due a little more than two weeks away. and at this point in time where it currently stands, the-

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[inaudible 00:02:38] so while we're usually pretty good at wearing our opinions on our sleeves on this podcast, just be aware that if-

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... you have a particularly strong belief in the gronski education model, as we both profess to-

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... that the narrow window of time remaining, if you wish to call an mp or to state your opinion on this particular matter before, before the budget-

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literacy is a bridge from misery to hope. it is a tool for daily life in modern society-

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... particularly for girls and women, it is an agent of-

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... family health and nutrition. for everyone, everywhere, literacy is-

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that's all for this episode. and until next time, this has been the teacher's education review.we'll see you next time.

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you are listening to eon.

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you may remember that in november of 2018-

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... of the world and of the future that they are going to inhabit.

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... thousand and 17 brought a lump of coal into parliament and suggested that those people arguing-

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... boule, he doesn't specifically say that they shouldn't participate in the protests, but march-

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... [inaudible 00:03:51] perhaps is more important than the climate change issue that the students want to protest as part of these events. now, whether that is a genuine argument-

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... or not is something only mr. tian could actually tell us. i have-

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... patient in democratic processes.

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now the australian curriculum has as part of its suite of hsie subjects, civics and-

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here in new south wales, where we like to do our own thing with curriculum that is slightly different from the rest of the country. we-

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... have civics and citizenship as-

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... meant to be embedded into all subjects as a sort of focal point that comes up in every subject, in every classroom at a different point in time as-

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... is potentially participating in these student protests. generally from what we saw in the media last year it is-

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... students in the later years of high school who make up the bulk of the protest participants. and so given that age group-

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... in these protests, and this is from the year-

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...eight civics and citizenship core.

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civics and citizenship content at this level involves two strands, civics and citizenship, knowledge and-

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the skills at this year level is provided by the following key questions. what are the freedoms-

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... their freedoms, freedom of assembly, freedom of expression, freedom to voice a dissenting opinion-

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... [inaudible 00:05:23] a political ideology. this curriculum is expressly-

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... calling for students to be taught the mechanisms of politics as part of being an engaged citizen in australia. and if you teach students what the mechanisms are-

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... freedom of speech, association, assembly, religion, and movement.

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now i did say that here in new south wales, we have our own-

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... take on that part of the australian curriculum. and from the new south wales curriculum website, civics and citizenship is identified as one of those-

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... cross-curricular priorities, which after going through-

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... [inaudible 00:06:02] that says civics and citizenship content is incorporated across all new south wales syllabuses and includes principles and concepts underpinning-

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... democracy, rights and responsibilities of citizens, global citizenship, and the influence of global events in australian democracy.

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so again, we have a list of expect-

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so my point at the end of all this is whether or not you agree with the issue that the students are choosing to take action over if you adhere to-

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... the required outcomes of australian curriculum or the curriculum here in new south wales-

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in this interview, we discuss some of the issues that face teachers engaging in social media. but also the-

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... idea of who speaks for teachers in social media and the ways in which representations of teachers are.

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... similar and different to those of the traditional media networks.

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joining me now from queensland is stewart riddle. stewart, thanks for time.

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... which is educational research and its impact on education kind of-

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... personal experience that i had myself a few years-

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... and what ended up happening was i got caught up in this-

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... offense to the fact that i was referring to myself as a teacher when-

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... i was not employed as a school teacher, and i was working-

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this idea of what it is that we do-

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... we can or cannot say. and so that was kind of the ulterior mighty for the book, from my perspective.

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yeah. i actually remember when that happened and it certainly-

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we often hail social media and the internet as being about the democratization of information, but it's also allowed-

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... in the real world, but also very visible-

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... thought that i'd agree with them. but in-

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... social media that you have these-

S-OW1 SH-AH0-L M-IY1 D-IY0 AH0 DH-AE1 T-Y-UW1 HH-AE1-V DH-IY1-Z


i think it was around 2013, 2014 that the pew research center in america did a study on particularly, they were looking at sort of the american-

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... political divide, but just the behavior of people on twitter and found that even though twitter is sort of a public and open platform, that everything-

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... you put into it before that the idea of democratization of information might be a bit more of a superficial reading than a reality. and in fact-

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... we still create these highly concentrated echo chambers-

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... professional networking and identity building. there's an extraordinary amount of policing of behavior that goes on on twitter-

P-R-AH0 F-EH1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L N-EH1 T-W-ER2 K-IH0 NG-AH0-N D-AY0 D-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IY0 B-IH1-L D-IH0-NG DH-EH1-R Z-AE1 N-IH0-K-S T-R-AO1-R D-AH0 N-EH2 R-IY0 AH0 M-AW1-N T-AH1-V P-AH0 L-IY1 S-IH0 NG-AH1-V B-IH0 HH-EY1 V-Y-ER0 DH-AE1-T G-OW1 Z-AA1 N-AA1-N T-W-IH1 T-ER0


... publicly make statements about social issues on twitter.yeah.

P-AH1 B-L-IH0 K-L-IY0 M-EY1-K-S T-EY1 T-M-AH0-N-T S-AH0 B-AW1-T S-OW1 SH-AH0 L-IH1 SH-UW0 Z-AA1-N T-W-IH0 T-IH1 R-IY0 AH0


and who's listening. and for what kind of, what kind of outcomes do you get from speaking or communicating through the-

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... social media because, the first thing i'd like to clarify is-

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... when we talk about teacher voice, obviously it's a construct that exists to be able to discuss it as a-

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... particularly before social media came along, where do you see teacher voice located?so i guess if you go back to-

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... to them in a particular kind of like-

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that's simplifying it too much, but anyway.

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if you look at the literature on it-

IH1 F-Y-UW1 L-UH1 K-AE1-T DH-AH0 L-IH1 T-ER0 AH0 CH-ER0 AA1 N-IH1-T


... despite the fact that folks have been kind of-

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... encouraging this supporting of teachers-

EH0-N K-ER1 IH0 JH-IH0-NG DH-IH1-S S-AH0 P-AO1-R T-IH0 NG-AH1-V T-IY1 CH-ER0-Z


...years. very rarely will you see actual teachers being talked to. you see a lot of teachers being talked about.

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and there are two really notable outliers that don't connect in to the rest of twitter. one-

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...vocation, and the fact that there was not one teacher or teacher body represented in the discussion panel having this conversation.

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...teachers are represented in public conversation and policymaking. i think they're being left out as much, if not more, than ever before.

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so, that was part of the problem that we were interested in, in that particular chapter that we wrote was, well, who is it that actually gets to speak to the teachers? and how's that-

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...that's-


...is john hattie. now, we all know about john hattie, through his visible learning stuff, blah, blah, blah. don't want to talk about that. what i-

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...remember anyway. but he's a guy who does not have- or he has a-

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...kinds of stuff happening in that show. yet, it was almost like this big hattie-athon.

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he was being talked about at great length.

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but he wasn't involved in that conversation at all. he wasn't there.

B-AH1-T HH-IY1 W-AO1-S T-IH0-N V-AA1-L-V D-IH0-N DH-AE1-T K-AA2-N V-ER0 S-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AE1 T-AO1-L HH-IY1 W-AO1-S-T DH-EH1-R


he was not part of it. despite the fact-

HH-IY1 W-AA1 Z-N-AA1-T P-AA1-R T-AH1 V-IH1-T D-IH0-S P-AY1-T DH-AH0 F-AE1-K-T


ken robinson in the uk, who also is not-

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especially when he's speaking publicly.

AH0-S P-EH1 SH-L-IY0 W-EH1-N HH-IY1-Z-S P-IY1 K-IH0-NG P-AH1 B-L-IH0 K-L-IY0


...have a lockdown a lot more, whereas twitter is a much more outwardly facing platform.

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we don't have a very good understanding of just how problematic it can actually be.right.

W-IY1 D-AA1-N-T HH-AE1 V-AH0 V-EH1 R-IY0 G-UH1 D-AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N D-IH0 NG-AH1-V JH-AH1-S-T HH-AW1 P-R-AA2 B-L-AH0 M-AE1 T-IH0 K-IH1-T K-AE1 N-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 B-EH1 R-AY0-T


and so, this thing is kind of like-

AH0-N-D S-OW1 DH-IH1-S TH-IH1 NG-IH1-Z K-AY1-N D-AH1 V-L-AY1-K


...relationship that academia has had with journal publication for some time. the old-

R-IY0 L-EY1 SH-AH0-N SH-IH2-P DH-AE1 T-AE2 K-AH0 D-IY1 M-IY0 AH0 HH-AE1-Z HH-AE1 D-W-IH1-DH JH-ER1 N-AH0-L P-AH2 B-L-IH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N F-AO1-R S-AH1-M T-AY1-M DH-AH0 OW1-L-D


...publish or perish mantra.

P-AH1 B-L-IH0 SH-AO1-R P-EH1 R-IH0 SH-M-AE1-N T-R-AH0


crazy things like naplan happen. we have all-

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...20,000 times, blah, blah, blah. where that becomes a perverse-

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but in this particular instance-

B-AH1 T-IH0-N DH-IH1-S P-ER0 T-IH1 K-Y-AH0 L-ER0 IH1-N-S T-AH0-N-S


...be still one of the top australian research papers that's being shared online. and so-

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you don't then need to say, of course all these people-

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the intention is to try and get that attention. and i could name education bloggers who do the exact same thing.

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...selection bias that's basically been haunting us for centuries.

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...the idea of teacher voice. do you feel as though ultimately-

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...teacher contributions to education discussion about a positive effect, or are they still largely just screaming into a void?that's a hard one to give a single answer to.

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the political context.

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and anyway. i just realized i started doing a political rant. i'm going to stop.

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but there's also quite a number of large professional associations who also speak on behalf of teachers who are notably absent.

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the only, i think here in new south wales, the only-

DH-AH0 OW1 N-L-IY0 AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K HH-IY1 R-IH0-N N-UW1 S-AW1 TH-W-EY1-L-Z DH-AH0 OW1 N-L-IY0


...as his main foil.


and of course exaggerating slightly.

AH0-N D-AH1-V K-AO1-R S-IH0-G Z-AE1 JH-ER0 EY2 T-IH0-NG S-L-AY1 T-L-IY0


teachers do have a voice within these discourses.

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are fairly low key in how they use twitter, in terms of their teacher identity. and so, i guess i should probably-

AA1-R F-EH1-R L-IY0 L-OW1 K-IY1 IH0-N HH-AW1 DH-EY1 Y-UW1-Z T-W-IH1 T-ER0 IH0-N T-ER1-M Z-AH1-V DH-EH1-R T-IY1 CH-ER0 AY0 D-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IY0 AH0-N-D S-OW1 AY1 G-EH1 S-AY1 SH-UH1-D P-R-AA1 B-AH0 B-L-IY0


...do a whole caveat to everything i've been speaking about.

D-UW1 AH0 HH-OW1-L K-EY1 V-IY0 AE2-T T-UW1 EH1 V-R-IY0 TH-IH2 NG-AY1-V B-IH1-N-S P-IY1 K-IH0 NG-AH0 B-AW1-T


i'm the position making and side-taking that happens in a very-

IH1-M DH-AH0 P-AH0 Z-IH1 SH-AH0-N M-EY1 K-IH0 NG-AH0-N-D S-AY1-D T-EY2 K-IH0-NG DH-AE1-T HH-AE1 P-AH0-N Z-IH0 N-AH0 V-EH1 R-IY0


...talk about problems. and certainly i would say me personally-

T-AO1 K-AH0 B-AW1-T P-R-AA1 B-L-AH0-M Z-AH0-N-D S-ER1 T-AH0 N-L-IY0 AY1 W-UH1-D S-EY1 M-IY1 P-ER1 S-AH0 N-AH0 L-IY0


yeah. i just wanted to make it clear. i'm talking-

Y-AE1 AY1 JH-AH1-S T-W-AA1-N T-AH0-D T-UW1 M-EY1 K-IH1-T K-L-IH1 R-IH1-M T-AO1 K-IH0-NG


...ranted nonstop about twitter being a dangerous and-

R-AE1-N T-AH0 D-N-AA2-N-S T-AA1 P-AH0 B-AW1-T T-W-IH1 T-ER0 B-IY1 IH0 NG-AH0 D-EY1-N JH-ER0 AH0 S-AH0-N-D


...other folk. i do think it has the potential for it.

AH1 DH-ER0 F-OW1 K-AY1 D-UW1 TH-IH1-NG K-IH1-T HH-AE1-Z DH-AH0 P-AH0 T-EH1-N SH-AH0-L F-AO1 R-IH1-T


i think we need to be much more nuanced in our understanding of how twitter-

AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-W-IY1 N-IY1-D T-UW1 B-IY1 M-AH1 CH-M-AO1-R N-UW1 AA0-N-S T-IH0 N-AW1 ER0 AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N D-IH0 NG-AH1-V HH-AW1 T-W-IH1 T-ER0


...both constrains and enables us as-

B-OW1-TH K-AH0-N-S T-R-EY1-N Z-AH0-N D-EH0 N-EY1 B-AH0-L Z-AH1 S-AE1-Z


...all weeks, we have released two tter live-

AO1 L-W-IY1-K S-W-IY1 HH-AE1 V-R-IY0 L-IY1-S-T T-UW1 T-ER1 L-AY1-V


...episodes. one of which was a recording of teach meet in-

EH1 P-AH0 S-OW2-D Z-W-AH1 N-AH1 V-W-IH1 CH-W-AA1 Z-AH0 R-AH0 K-AO1-R D-IH0 NG-AH1-V T-IY1 CH-M-IY1 T-IH0-N


...gauge, the event we held as part-

G-EY1-JH DH-AH0 IH0 V-EH1-N T-W-IY1 HH-EH1-L D-AE1-Z P-AA1-R-T


...was held in brisbane. there's been a lot going on in the-

W-AA1-Z HH-EH1-L D-IH0-N B-R-IH1-Z B-EY2-N DH-EH1-R-Z B-IH1 N-AH0 L-AA1-T G-OW1 IH0 NG-AA1 N-IH0-N DH-AH0


yeah. look, it was a really interesting way of running a conference. very-

Y-AE1 L-UH1 K-IH1 T-W-AA1 Z-AH0 R-IH1 L-IY0 IH1-N T-R-AH0-S T-IH0 NG-W-EY1 AH1 V-R-AH1 N-IH0 NG-AH0 K-AA1-N F-ER0 AH0-N-S V-EH1 R-IY0


...democratic, i suppose is the word. so, usually when you attend a conference-

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...there's a lineup of well-known and lesser-known keynote speakers that you might go and see-

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...are presenting to you. but education-

AA1-R P-R-IH0 Z-EH1-N T-IH0-NG T-UW1 Y-UW1 B-AH1 T-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N


...somehow she was on a program a few episodes ago.

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she kept talking about how it would be harnessing the collective genius in the room. and i wasn't really sure what any of that meant.

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i almost, as-


...in their contexts, and some of them are-

IH0-N DH-EH1-R K-AA1-N T-EH2-K-S-T S-AH0-N-D S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-EH1 M-AA1-R


...what they did to try and include and involve parents more in the education of their children at a primary school she was working in.

W-AH1-T DH-EY1 D-IH1-D T-UW1 T-R-AY1 AH0-N D-IH0-N K-L-UW1 D-AH0-N D-IH0-N V-AA1-L-V P-EH1 R-AH0-N-T S-M-AO1 R-IH0-N DH-AH0 EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH1-V DH-EH1-R CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0 N-AE1 T-AH0 P-R-AY1 M-EH2 R-IY0-S K-UW1-L SH-IY1 W-AA1 Z-W-ER1 K-IH0 NG-IH0-N


large scale projects. so, stacy quincy is a principal in new south wales, was talking about-

L-AA1-R-JH-S K-EY1-L P-R-AA1 JH-EH0-K-T-S S-OW1-S T-EY1 S-IY0 K-W-IH1-N S-IY0 IH1 Z-AH0 P-R-IH1-N S-AH0 P-AH0 L-IH0-N N-UW1 S-AW1 TH-W-EY1-L Z-W-AA1-Z T-AO1 K-IH0 NG-AH0 B-AW1-T


...the mentoring of new scheme teachers in her own school, but then also-

DH-AH0 M-EH1-N T-ER0 IH0 NG-AH1 V-N-UW1-S K-IY1-M T-IY1 CH-ER0 Z-IH0-N HH-ER0 OW1-N-S K-UW1-L B-AH1-T DH-EH1 N-AO1-L S-OW0


...bringing that good practice across the system. so, she had a whole systems focus and... yeah. so, there was a real diversity of presentations.

B-R-IH1 NG-IH0-NG DH-AE1-T G-UH1-D P-R-AE1-K T-AH0 S-AH0 K-R-AO1-S DH-AH0 S-IH1-S T-AH0-M S-OW1 SH-IY1 HH-AE1 D-AH0 HH-OW1-L S-IH1-S T-AH0-M-Z F-OW1 K-AH0 S-AH0-N D-Y-AE1 S-OW1 DH-EH1 R-W-AA1 Z-AH0 R-IY1-L D-IH0 V-ER1 S-AH0 T-IY0 AH1-V P-R-EH2 Z-AH0-N T-EY1 SH-AH0-N-Z


so, they wanted to really-

S-OW1 DH-EY1 W-AA1-N T-AH0-D T-UW1 R-IH1 L-IY0


...of students, i think some year 12 students, who were able to give a perspective from their experience as a student. so, i thought it was really cleverly done the way that they-

AH1-V-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T S-AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K S-AH1 M-Y-IH1-R T-W-EH1-L-V-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T-S HH-UW1 W-ER0 EY1 B-AH0-L T-UW1 G-IH1 V-AH0 P-ER0-S P-EH1-K T-IH0-V F-R-AH1-M DH-EH1 R-IH0-K-S P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-N S-AE1 Z-AH0-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T S-OW1 AY1 TH-AO1 T-IH1 T-W-AA1 Z-R-IH1 L-IY0 K-L-EH1 V-ER0 L-IY0 D-AH1-N DH-AH0 W-EY1 DH-AE1-T DH-EY1


...gathered such a range of perspectives to really add value to the different types of projects that people were working on.

G-AE1 DH-ER0-D S-AH1 CH-AH0 R-EY1-N JH-AH1-V P-ER0-S P-EH1-K T-IH0-V-Z T-UW1 R-IH1 L-IY0 AE1-D V-AE1 L-Y-UW0 T-UW1 DH-AH0 D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N-T T-AY1-P S-AH1-V P-R-AA1 JH-EH0-K-T-S DH-AE1-T P-IY1 P-AH0 L-W-ER0 W-ER1 K-IH0 NG-AA1-N


hearing how other people are...

HH-IY1 R-IH0-NG HH-AW1 AH1 DH-ER0 P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AA1-R


and so, everyone in that room probably would have been exposed to some ideas that resonated with their content.

AH0-N-D S-OW1 EH1 V-R-IY0 W-AH2 N-IH0-N DH-AE1 T-R-UW1-M P-R-AA1 B-AH0 B-L-IY0 W-UH1-D HH-AE1-V B-IH1 N-IH0-K-S P-OW1-Z-D T-UW1 S-AH1 M-AY0 D-IY1 AH0-Z DH-AE1 T-R-EH1 Z-AH0 N-EY2 T-IH0 D-W-IH1-DH DH-EH1-R K-AA1-N T-EH0-N-T


and then there's others that don't...

AH0-N-D DH-EH1-N DH-EH1-R Z-AH1 DH-ER0-Z DH-AE1-T D-AA1-N-T


...not being terribly well and spending most of the day in the hotel room. but-

N-AA1-T B-IY1 IH0-NG T-EH1 R-AH0 B-L-IY0 W-EH1 L-AH0-N-D-S P-EH1-N D-IH0-NG M-OW1-S T-AH1-V DH-AH0 D-EY1 IH0-N DH-AH0 HH-OW0 T-EH1-L R-UW1-M B-AH1-T


they had... there they were doing a number of workshops-

DH-EY1 HH-AE1-D DH-EH1-R DH-EY1 W-ER0 D-UW1 IH0 NG-AH0 N-AH1-M B-ER0 AH1 V-W-ER1-K SH-AA2-P-S


...refine their ideas. and one part of that that i liked was that they included this panel of experts, who were high school students, so that they could pitch the-

R-AH0 F-AY1-N DH-EH1 R-AY0 D-IY1 AH0 Z-AH0-N D-W-AH1-N P-AA1-R T-AH1-V DH-AE1-T DH-AE1 T-AY1 L-AY1-K T-W-AA1-Z DH-AE1-T DH-EY1 IH0-N K-L-UW1 D-AH0-D DH-IH1-S P-AE1 N-AH0 L-AH1 V-EH1-K-S P-ER0-T-S HH-UW1 W-ER0 HH-AY1-S K-UW1-L-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T-S S-OW1 DH-AE1-T DH-EY1 K-UH1-D P-IH1-CH DH-AH0


so, it sounds like it's a conference model really based around harnessing that networking element that people often say is that the biggest benefit of large events? would you say that was-

S-OW1 IH1-T S-AW1-N-D Z-L-AY1 K-IH1-T S-AH0 K-AA1-N F-ER0 AH0-N S-M-AA1 D-AH0-L R-IH1 L-IY0 B-EY1-S T-ER0 AW1-N-D HH-AA1-R N-AH0 S-IH0-NG DH-AE1 T-N-EH1 T-W-ER2 K-IH0 NG-EH1 L-AH0 M-AH0-N-T DH-AE1-T P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AO1 F-AH0-N S-EY1 IH1-Z DH-AE1-T DH-AH0 B-IH1 G-AH0-S-T B-EH1 N-AH0 F-IH0 T-AH1 V-L-AA1-R JH-IH0 V-EH1-N-T S-W-UH1 D-Y-UW1 S-EY1 DH-AE1 T-W-AA1-Z


so, i'm very interested in the idea of more explicitly incorporating that collaboration and networking into conference events.

S-OW1 IH1-M V-EH1 R-IY0 IH1-N T-R-AH0-S T-AH0 D-IH0-N DH-AH0 AY0 D-IY1 AH0 AH1 V-M-AO1 R-IH0-K-S P-L-IH1 S-AH0 T-L-IY0 IH0-N K-AO1-R P-ER0 EY2 T-IH0-NG DH-AE1-T K-AH0 L-AE2 B-ER0 EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N D-N-EH1 T-W-ER2 K-IH0 NG-IH0-N T-UW1 K-AA1-N F-ER0 AH0-N S-IH0 V-EH1-N-T-S


kevin, you've got some big changes coming up. can you tell us what's been happening for you in the last few weeks?

K-EH1 V-IH0 N-Y-UW1-V G-AA1-T S-AH1-M B-IH1-G CH-EY1-N JH-AH0-Z K-AH1 M-IH0 NG-AH1-P K-AE1 N-Y-UW1 T-EH1 L-AH1 S-W-AH0-T-S B-IH1-N HH-AE1 P-AH0 N-IH0-NG F-AO1 R-Y-UW1 IH0-N DH-AH0 L-AE1-S-T F-Y-UW1 W-IY1-K-S


replaces their old media officer and the person that used to be in charge of publications.

R-IH0 P-L-EY1 S-IH0-Z DH-EH1 R-OW1-L D-M-IY1 D-IY0 AH0 AO1 F-AH0 S-ER0 AH0-N-D DH-AH0 P-ER1 S-AH0-N DH-AE1 T-Y-UW1-S-T T-UW1 B-IY1 IH0-N CH-AA1-R JH-AH1-V P-AH2 B-L-IH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N-Z


to put yourself out there in front of a group of 300 odd representatives of the teaching profession and-

T-UW1 P-UH1 T-Y-ER0 S-EH1-L F-AW1-T DH-EH1 R-IH0-N F-R-AH1-N T-AH1 V-AH0 G-R-UW1 P-AH1-V TH-R-IY1 HH-AH1-N D-R-AH0 D-AA1 D-R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IH0-V Z-AH1-V DH-AH0 T-IY1 CH-IH0-NG P-R-AH0 F-EH1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N-D


...done, and well-deserved.thank you.what does the role of-

D-AH1 N-AH0-N D-W-EH2-L D-AH0 S-EH1-R-K SH-AH0 N-Y-UW1 W-AA0-T D-AH1-Z DH-AH0 R-OW1 L-AH1-V


...for getting press releases out, and whenever we choose to have any kind of statement going out to the public.

F-AO1-R G-EH1 T-IH0-NG P-R-EH1 S-R-IH0 L-IY1 S-IH0 Z-AW1 T-AH0-N D-W-EH0 N-EH1 V-ER0 W-IY1 CH-UW1-Z T-UW1 HH-AE1 V-EH1 N-IY0 K-AY1-N D-AH1-V-S T-EY1 T-M-AH0-N-T G-OW1 IH0 NG-AW1-T T-UW1 DH-AH0 P-AH1 B-L-IH0-K


so, it'll be a bit of a learning curve. and i think part of the role will be-

S-OW1 IH1 T-AH0-L B-IY1 AH0 B-IH1 T-AH1 V-AH0 L-ER1 N-IH0-NG K-ER1 V-AH0-N D-AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K P-AA1-R T-AH1-V DH-AH0 R-OW1 L-W-IH1-L B-IY1


i think part of the role will be figuring out exactly how all these duties will go together in a new role, but i'll be very much looking-

AY1 TH-IH1-NG-K P-AA1-R T-AH1-V DH-AH0 R-OW1 L-W-IH1-L B-IY1 F-IH1 G-Y-ER0 IH0 NG-AW1 T-IH0-G Z-AE1-K T-L-IY0 HH-AW1 AO1-L DH-IY1-Z D-UW1 T-IY0 Z-W-IH1-L G-OW1 T-AH0 G-EH1 DH-ER0 IH0 N-AH0 N-UW1 R-OW1-L B-AH1 T-IH1-L B-IY1 V-EH1 R-IY0 M-AH1 CH-L-UH1 K-IH0-NG


something that i've done a little bit of, but not as much as-

S-AH1-M TH-IH0-NG DH-AE1 T-AY1-V D-AH1 N-AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L B-IH1 T-AH1-V B-AH1 T-N-AA1 T-AE1 Z-M-AH1 CH-AE1-Z


...i possibly would've liked before i got into teaching, and something i'm very excited to be getting into.cameron, it's just since like an amazing opportunity as well-

AY1 P-AA1 S-AH0 B-L-IY0 W-UH1-D-L V-L-AY1-K-T B-IH0 F-AO1 R-AY1 G-AA1 T-IH0-N T-UW1 T-IY1 CH-IH0 NG-AH0-N-D S-AH1-M TH-IH0 NG-IH1-M V-EH1 R-IY0 IH0-K S-AY1 T-AH0-D T-UW1 B-IY1 G-EH1 T-IH0 NG-IH0-N T-AH0 K-AO1-R M-AH0 N-IH1-T-S JH-AH1-S-T S-IH1-N S-L-AY1 K-AE1 N-AH0 M-EY1 Z-IH0 NG-AA2 P-ER0 T-UW1 N-AH0 T-IY0 AE1 Z-W-EH1-L


...for you, and also i think it's going to really help us with our-

F-AO1 R-Y-UW1 AH0-N D-AO1-L S-OW0 AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-IH1-T-S G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 R-IH1 L-IY0 HH-EH1-L P-AH1 S-W-IH1 DH-AW1 ER0


...podcast too, because you'll just be a little bit closer to some of the information that we're often trying to get through newspapers and other sources.yes. and i'll, i guess-

P-OW1-D K-AE2-S-T T-UW1 B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-Y-UW1-L JH-AH1-S-T B-IY1 AH0 L-IH1 T-AH0-L B-IH1-T K-L-OW1 S-ER0 T-UW1 S-AH1 M-AH1-V DH-AH0 IH2-N F-ER0 M-EY1 SH-AH0-N DH-AE1 T-W-ER0 AO1 F-AH0-N T-R-AY1 IH0-NG T-UW1 G-EH1-T TH-R-UW1 N-UW1-Z P-EY2 P-ER0 Z-AH0-N D-AH1 DH-ER0 S-AO1-R S-AH0 S-IY0 Z-AH0-N D-IH1 L-AY1 G-EH1-S


...especially as we expect that there, and i would say hopefully will, be some significant changes to the federal education agenda-

AH0-S P-EH1 SH-L-IY0 AE1 Z-W-IY1 IH0-K-S P-EH1-K-T DH-AE1-T DH-EH1 R-AH0-N D-AY1 W-UH1-D S-EY1 HH-OW1-P F-AH0 L-IY0 W-IH1-L B-IY1 S-AH1-M S-AH0 G-N-IH1 F-IH0 K-AH0-N-T CH-EY1-N JH-AH0-Z T-UW1 DH-AH0 F-EH1 D-ER0 AH0 L-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0 JH-EH1-N D-AH0


...over the coming weeks and months. and now for those listening, who may not be aware, on monday the-

OW1 V-ER0 DH-AH0 K-AH1 M-IH0 NG-W-IY1-K S-AH0-N D-M-AH1-N-TH S-AH0-N D-N-AW1 F-AO1-R DH-OW1 Z-L-IH1 S-AH0 N-IH0-NG HH-UW1 M-EY1 N-AA1-T B-IY1 AH0 W-EH1 R-AA1-N M-AH1-N D-IY0 DH-AH0


... so we are going to have to wait and see if this has any impact on-

S-OW1 W-IY1 AA1-R G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 HH-AE1-V T-UW1 W-EY1 T-AH0-N-D S-IY1 IH1-F DH-IH1-S HH-AE1 Z-EH1 N-IY0 IH1-M P-AE0-K T-AA1-N


... time of this recording, there seems to be a strong expectation-

T-AY1 M-AH1-V DH-IH1 S-R-AH0 K-AO1-R D-IH0-NG DH-EH1-R S-IY1-M-Z T-UW1 B-IY1 AH0-S T-R-AO1 NG-EH2-K-S P-EH0-K T-EY1 SH-AH0-N


... most likely that he'll be the new-

M-OW1-S T-L-AY1 K-L-IY0 DH-AE1-T HH-EH1-L B-IY1 DH-AH0 N-UW1


... portfolio, although there's been some speculation that it could go to someone in birmingham.

P-AO0-R-T F-OW1 L-IY0 OW2 AO2-L DH-OW1 DH-EH1-R-Z B-IH1-N S-AH1-M-S P-EH2 K-Y-AH0 L-EY1 SH-AH0-N DH-AE1 T-IH1-T K-UH1-D G-OW1 T-UW1 S-AH1 M-W-AH2 N-IH0-N B-ER1 M-IH0-NG HH-AE2-M


he served as the assistant minister for education and training under christopher pyne.

HH-IY1 S-ER1-V D-AE1-Z DH-AH0 AH0 S-IH1-S T-AH0-N T-M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 F-AO1 R-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N-D T-R-EY1 N-IH0 NG-AH1-N D-ER0 K-R-IH1-S T-AH0 F-ER0 P-AY1-N


however, on september 16th, the australian reported that fee deregulation was one of the policies expected to be dumped by the turnbull government. with barney glover, the chairman of-

HH-AW2 EH1 V-ER0 AA1-N DH-AH0 S-IH0-K-S T-IY1-N TH-AH1-V S-EH0-P T-EH1-M B-ER0 DH-AH0 AO0-S T-R-EY1 L-Y-AH0 N-R-IY2 P-AO1-R T-AH0-D DH-AE1-T F-IY1 D-IY0 R-EH2 G-Y-AH0 L-EY1 SH-AH0 N-W-AA1 Z-W-AH1 N-AH1-V DH-AH0 P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 Z-IH0-K-S P-EH1-K T-AH0-D T-UW1 B-IY1 D-AH1-M-P-T B-AY1 DH-AH0 T-ER1-N B-UH2-L G-AH1 V-ER0 M-AH0-N T-W-IH1-DH B-AA1-R N-IY0 G-L-AH1 V-ER0 DH-AH0 CH-EH1-R M-AH0 N-AH1-V


... universities australia quoted as saying that it was unlikely a new education minister would promulgate the same legislation.

Y-UW2 N-AH0 V-ER1 S-AH0 T-IY0 Z-AO0-S T-R-EY1 L-Y-AH0 K-W-OW1 T-AH0 D-AE1-Z S-EY1 IH0-NG DH-AE1 T-IH1 T-W-AA1 Z-AH0 N-L-AY1 K-L-IY0 AH0 N-UW1 EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 W-UH1-D P-R-OW0 M-AH1-L G-EY0-T DH-AH0 S-EY1 M-L-EH2 JH-AH0 S-L-EY1 SH-AH0-N


... the sydney morning herald reported that new south wales education minister adrian piccoli had stated his intention to immediately begin lobbying the new prime minister to commit to the final two years-

DH-AH0 S-IH1 D-N-IY0 M-AO1-R N-IH0-NG HH-EH1 R-AH0-L D-R-IY2 P-AO1-R T-AH0-D DH-AE1 T-N-UW1 S-AW1 TH-W-EY1-L Z-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 EY1 D-R-IY0 AH0-N P-IY0 K-OW1 L-IY0 HH-AE1-D-S T-EY1 T-AH0-D HH-IH1 Z-IH0-N T-EH1-N CH-AH0-N T-UW1 IH0 M-IY1 D-IY0 AH0 T-L-IY0 B-IH0 G-IH1 N-L-AA1 B-IY0 IH0-NG DH-AH0 N-UW1 P-R-AY1-M M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 T-UW1 K-AH0 M-IH1-T T-UW1 DH-AH0 F-AY1 N-AH0-L T-UW1 Y-IH1-R-Z


... minister piccoli, a nationals member, reinforced the message that regional and rural schools were among those that would gain the greatest benefit from a needs-based funding model.

M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 P-IY0 K-OW1 L-IY0 AH0 N-AE1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L Z-M-EH1-M B-ER0 R-IY2 IH0-N F-AO1-R-S-T DH-AH0 M-EH1 S-AH0-JH DH-AE1 T-R-IY1 JH-AH0 N-AH0 L-AH0-N D-R-UH1 R-AH0-L-S K-UW1-L Z-W-ER0 AH0 M-AH1-NG DH-OW1-Z DH-AE1 T-W-UH1-D G-EY1-N DH-AH0 G-R-EY1 T-AH0-S-T B-EH1 N-AH0 F-IH0-T F-R-AH1 M-AH0 N-IY1-D-Z B-EY2-S-T F-AH1-N D-IH0-NG M-AA1 D-AH0-L


so when turnbull made his first speeches as prime minister, well, prime minister elect at that point-

S-OW1 W-EH1-N T-ER1-N B-UH2-L M-EY1-D HH-IH1-Z F-ER1-S-T-S P-IY1 CH-AH0 Z-AE1-Z P-R-AY1-M M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 W-EH1-L P-R-AY1-M M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 IH0 L-EH1-K T-AE1-T DH-AE1-T P-OY1-N-T


... very dangerous thing, i suppose, because it can only lead to disappointment. so i guess-

V-EH1 R-IY0 D-EY1-N JH-ER0 AH0-S TH-IH1 NG-AY1 S-AH0 P-OW1-Z B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-IH1-T K-AE1 N-OW1 N-L-IY0 L-EH1-D T-UW1 D-IH2 S-AH0 P-OY1-N T-M-AH0-N-T S-OW1 AY1 G-EH1-S


... still probably be some time before all of the various policy decisions are either-

S-T-IH1-L P-R-AA1 B-AH0 B-L-IY0 B-IY1 S-AH1-M T-AY1-M B-IH0 F-AO1 R-AO1 L-AH1-V DH-AH0 V-EH1 R-IY0 AH0-S P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 D-IH0 S-IH1 ZH-AH0-N Z-AA1 R-IY1 DH-ER0


... confirmed or retracted.

K-AH0-N F-ER1-M D-AO1-R R-IY0 T-R-AE1-K T-AH0-D


the person who has been rumored to be the replacement minister for education.

DH-AH0 P-ER1 S-AH0-N HH-UW1 HH-AE1-Z B-IH1 N-R-UW1 M-ER0-D T-UW1 B-IY1 DH-AH0 R-IH0 P-L-EY1 S-M-AH0-N T-M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 F-AO1 R-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N


... places. so i'd be quite-

P-L-EY1 S-AH0-Z S-OW1 IH1-D B-IY1 K-W-AY1-T


well, that might be a suitable time then-

W-EH1-L DH-AE1 T-M-AY1-T B-IY1 AH0 S-UW1 T-AH0 B-AH0-L T-AY1-M DH-EH1-N


... teachers federation have all passed motions-

T-IY1 CH-ER0-Z F-EH2 D-ER0 EY1 SH-AH0-N HH-AE1 V-AO1-L P-AE1-S T-M-OW1 SH-AH0-N-Z


... and distancing themselves-

AH0-N-D D-IH1-S T-AH0-N S-IH0-NG DH-EH0-M S-EH1-L-V-Z


... of new appointments, many of whom are quite controversial because they don't necessarily come-

AH1 V-N-UW1 AH0 P-OY1-N T-M-AH0-N-T S-M-EH1 N-IY0 AH1-V HH-UW1 M-AA1-R K-W-AY1-T K-AA2-N T-R-AH0 V-ER1 SH-AH0-L B-IH0 K-AO1-Z DH-EY1 D-AA1-N T-N-EH2 S-AH0 S-EH1 R-AH0 L-IY0 K-AH1-M


... from what you might call strong educational backgrounds.

F-R-AH1 M-W-AH1 T-Y-UW1 M-AY1-T K-AO1-L-S T-R-AO1 NG-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L B-AE1-K G-R-AW2-N-D-Z


... who actually represents public education in any way is michelle bruniges who is-

HH-UW1 AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N-T-S P-AH1 B-L-IH0 K-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-IH0 N-EH1 N-IY0 W-EY1 IH1 Z-M-IH0 SH-EH1-L B-R-UW1 N-IH0-G-Z HH-UW1 IH1-Z


the chair is a great proponent of direct-

DH-AH0 CH-EH1 R-IH1 Z-AH0 G-R-EY1-T P-R-AH0 P-OW1 N-AH0-N T-AH1-V D-ER0 EH1-K-T


... instruction. the commercial scripted direct instruction courses that get rolled out around the place and-

IH0-N-S T-R-AH1-K SH-AH0-N DH-AH0 K-AH0 M-ER1 SH-AH0-L-S K-R-IH1-P T-IH0-D D-ER0 EH1-K T-IH0-N-S T-R-AH1-K SH-AH0-N K-AO1-R S-AH0-Z DH-AE1-T G-EH1 T-R-OW1-L D-AW1 T-ER0 AW1-N-D DH-AH0 P-L-EY1 S-AH0-N-D


... of academic research, a lot of evidence around the place, a lot of teacher testimony that would tell you that those approaches are not going to be the most effective. so-

AH1 V-AE2 K-AH0 D-EH1 M-IH0 K-R-IY0 S-ER1 CH-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1 V-EH1 V-AH0 D-AH0-N S-ER0 AW1-N-D DH-AH0 P-L-EY1 S-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH1-V T-IY1 CH-ER0 T-EH1-S T-AH0 M-OW2 N-IY0 DH-AE1 T-W-UH1-D T-EH1 L-Y-UW1 DH-AE1-T DH-OW1 Z-AH0 P-R-OW1 CH-AH0 Z-AA1-R N-AA1-T G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 B-IY1 DH-AH0 M-OW1-S T-IH0 F-EH1-K T-IH0-V S-OW1


we've got john fleming, we've got trevor fletcher-

W-IY1-V G-AA1-T JH-AA1-N F-L-EH1 M-IH0 NG-W-IY1-V G-AA1-T T-R-EH1 V-ER0 F-L-EH1 CH-ER0


... who we know from the south-

HH-UW1 W-IY1 N-OW1 F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 S-AW1-TH


what was he? was he the deputy director general?

W-AH1 T-W-AA1-Z HH-IY1 W-AA1-Z HH-IY1 DH-AH0 D-EH1 P-Y-AH0 T-IY0 D-ER0 EH1-K T-ER0 JH-EH1 N-ER0 AH0-L


very confrontational relationship with principals. and he is also now-

V-EH1 R-IY0 K-AA2-N F-R-AH0-N T-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L R-IY0 L-EY1 SH-AH0-N SH-IH2 P-W-IH1-DH P-R-IH1-N S-AH0 P-AH0-L Z-AH0-N-D HH-IY1 IH1 Z-AO1-L S-OW0 N-AW1


... who was a former catholic education director, i think. i can't remember his exact-

HH-UW1 W-AA1 Z-AH0 F-AO1-R M-ER0 K-AE1 TH-L-IH0 K-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N D-ER0 EH1-K T-ER0 AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-AY1 K-AE1-N T-R-IH0 M-EH1-M B-ER0 HH-IH1 Z-IH0-G Z-AE1-K-T


... deputy director of the melbourne catholic education office, and a 2008 article on him that i found showed me that amongst the catholic education sector, he-

D-EH1 P-Y-AH0 T-IY0 D-ER0 EH1-K T-ER0 AH1-V DH-AH0 M-EH1-L B-ER0-N K-AE1 TH-L-IH0 K-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AO1 F-AH0 S-AH0-N D-AH0 T-UW1 TH-AW1 Z-AH0-N D-EY1 T-AA1-R T-AH0 K-AH0 L-AA1-N HH-IH1-M DH-AE1 T-AY1 F-AW1-N-D SH-OW1 D-M-IY1 DH-AE1 T-AH0 M-AH1-NG-S-T DH-AH0 K-AE1 TH-L-IH0 K-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N S-EH1-K T-ER0 HH-IY1


... his appointment was very alarming when he was put in to be their deputy.

HH-IH1 Z-AH0 P-OY1-N T-M-AH0-N T-W-AA1-Z V-EH1 R-IY0 AH0 L-AA1-R M-IH0 NG-W-EH1-N HH-IY1 W-AA1-Z P-UH1 T-IH0-N T-UW1 B-IY1 DH-EH1-R D-EH1 P-Y-AH0 T-IY0


he also didn't understand the church relationships and church policy with schools.

HH-IY1 AO1-L S-OW0 D-IH1 D-AH0-N T-AH2-N D-ER0-S T-AE1-N-D DH-AH0 CH-ER1 CH-R-IY0 L-EY1 SH-AH0-N SH-IH2-P S-AH0-N-D CH-ER1-CH P-AA1 L-AH0 S-IY0 W-IH1-DH-S K-UW1-L-Z


and he was strongly identified with the liberal party. he is a former-

AH0-N-D HH-IY1 W-AA1-Z-S T-R-AO1 NG-L-IY0 AY0 D-EH1-N T-AH0 F-AY2 D-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 L-IH1 B-ER0 AH0-L P-AA1-R T-IY0 HH-IY1 IH1 Z-AH0 F-AO1-R M-ER0


... of public education on a budget paper that came out a few years ago.

AH1-V P-AH1 B-L-IH0 K-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AA1 N-AH0 B-AH1 JH-IH0-T P-EY1 P-ER0 DH-AE1-T K-EY1 M-AW1 T-AH0 F-Y-UW1 Y-IH1-R Z-AH0 G-OW1


... which the green paper has the-

W-IH1-CH DH-AH0 G-R-IY1-N P-EY1 P-ER0 HH-AE1-Z DH-AH0


... parents, and possibly charge them to send their children to public schools. that was one of-

P-EH1 R-AH0-N-T S-AH0-N-D P-AA1 S-AH0 B-L-IY0 CH-AA1-R-JH DH-EH1-M T-UW1 S-EH1-N-D DH-EH1-R CH-IH1-L D-R-AH0-N T-UW1 P-AH1 B-L-IH0-K-S K-UW1-L-Z DH-AE1 T-W-AA1 Z-W-AH1 N-AH1-V


... the suggestions in the paper that she came up with. and she's also constantly writing articles, talking about-

DH-AH0 S-AH0-G JH-EH1-S CH-AH0-N Z-IH0-N DH-AH0 P-EY1 P-ER0 DH-AE1-T SH-IY1 K-EY1 M-AH1 P-W-IH1 DH-AH0-N-D SH-EH1 S-AO1-L S-OW0 K-AA1-N-S T-AH0-N T-L-IY0 R-AY1 T-IH0 NG-AA1-R T-AH0 K-AH0-L-Z T-AO1 K-IH0 NG-AH0 B-AW1-T


but it is to me quite troubling because they seem to be-

B-AH1 T-IH1 T-IH1-Z T-UW1 M-IY1 K-W-AY1-T T-R-AH1 B-AH0 L-IH0-NG B-IH0 K-AO1-Z DH-EY1 S-IY1-M T-UW1 B-IY1


... to be i think a number of them-

T-UW1 B-IY1 AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-AH0 N-AH1-M B-ER0 AH1-V DH-EH1-M


... concerned with what they may come out with in future, but i certainly haven't seen them coming out with a whole lot of materials that are promoting their very-

K-AH0-N S-ER1-N D-W-IH1 DH-W-AH1-T DH-EY1 M-EY1 K-AH1 M-AW1 T-W-IH1 DH-IH0-N F-Y-UW1 CH-ER0 B-AH1 T-AY1 S-ER1 T-AH0 N-L-IY0 HH-AE1 V-AH0-N-T S-IY1-N DH-EH1-M K-AH1 M-IH0 NG-AW1 T-W-IH1 DH-AH0 HH-OW1-L L-AA1 T-AH1 V-M-AH0 T-IH1 R-IY0 AH0-L-Z DH-AE1 T-AA1-R P-R-AH0 M-OW1 T-IH0-NG DH-EH1-R V-EH1 R-IY0


no, though i suppose the biggest immediate-

N-OW1 DH-OW1 AY1 S-AH0 P-OW1-Z DH-AH0 B-IH1 G-AH0-S T-IH0 M-IY1 D-IY0 AH0-T


... and i suppose any future drafts or changes to those standards, we would need to be wary of.

AH0-N D-AY1 S-AH0 P-OW1 Z-EH1 N-IY0 F-Y-UW1 CH-ER0 D-R-AE1-F-T S-AO1-R CH-EY1-N JH-AH0-Z T-UW1 DH-OW1-Z-S T-AE1-N D-ER0-D Z-W-IY1 W-UH1 D-N-IY1-D T-UW1 B-IY1 W-EH1 R-IY0 AH1-V


we know that after this, after christopher pyne first became-

W-IY1 N-OW1 DH-AE1 T-AE1-F T-ER0 DH-IH1 S-AE1-F T-ER0 K-R-IH1-S T-AH0 F-ER0 P-AY1-N F-ER1-S-T B-IH0 K-EY1-M


... minister for education, they talked a lot about wanting to get rid of so-called lefty influence from the curriculum and from teaching, and the standards do talk about-

M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 F-AO1 R-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N DH-EY1 T-AO1-K T-AH0 L-AA1 T-AH0 B-AW1 T-W-AA1-N T-IH0-NG T-UW1 G-EH1 T-R-IH1 D-AH1-V S-OW1 K-AA1-L D-L-EH1-F T-IY0 IH1-N F-L-UW0 AH0-N-S F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 K-ER0 IH1 K-Y-AH0 L-AH0 M-AH0-N-D F-R-AH1-M T-IY1 CH-IH0 NG-AH0-N-D DH-AH0-S T-AE1-N D-ER0-D-Z D-UW1 T-AO1 K-AH0 B-AW1-T


... clarify. i don't have an issue with people who hold these particular views on education being-

K-L-EH1 R-AH0 F-AY2 AY1 D-AA1-N-T HH-AE1 V-AE1 N-IH1 SH-UW0 W-IH1-DH P-IY1 P-AH0-L HH-UW1 HH-OW1-L-D DH-IY1-Z P-ER0 T-IH1 K-Y-AH0 L-ER0 V-Y-UW1 Z-AA1 N-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N B-IY1 IH0-NG


... education. but the difficulty that i-

EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N B-AH1-T DH-AH0 D-IH1 F-AH0 K-AH0-L T-IY0 DH-AE1 T-AY1


... i have with the current board is that, as the unions are saying, it is not representative. it's not only not representative-

AY1 HH-AE1 V-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 K-ER1 AH0-N-T B-AO1-R D-IH1-Z DH-AE1 T-AE1-Z DH-AH0 Y-UW1 N-Y-AH0-N Z-AA1-R S-EY1 IH0 NG-IH1 T-IH1 Z-N-AA1 T-R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IH0 V-IH1-T S-N-AA1 T-OW1 N-L-IY0 N-AA1 T-R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IH0-V


... it denies any elected representatives from teachers and that's why the union representative from the ieu-

IH1-T D-IH0 N-AY1 Z-EH1 N-IY0 IH0 L-EH1-K T-AH0 D-R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IH0-V-Z F-R-AH1-M T-IY1 CH-ER0 Z-AH0-N-D TH-AE1-T S-W-AY1 DH-AH0 Y-UW1 N-Y-AH0 N-R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IH0-V F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 Y-UW1


... profession have had no voice in selecting-

P-R-AH0 F-EH1 SH-AH0-N HH-AE1-V HH-AE1 D-N-OW1 V-OY1 S-IH0-N S-AH0 L-EH1-K T-IH0-NG


... these people. so i think it's really important that we do have elected representatives on-

DH-IY1-Z P-IY1 P-AH0-L S-OW1 AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-IH1-T S-R-IH1 L-IY0 IH0-M P-AO1-R T-AH0-N-T DH-AE1 T-W-IY1 D-UW1 HH-AE1 V-IH0 L-EH1-K T-AH0 D-R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AH0 T-IH0-V Z-AA1-N


... board such as this, but also that the-

B-AO1-R-D S-AH1 CH-AE1-Z DH-IH1-S B-AH1 T-AO1-L S-OW0 DH-AE1-T DH-AH0


yes, but i think also-

Y-EH1-S B-AH1 T-AY1 TH-IH1-NG K-AO1-L S-OW0


... because it's just worth remembering that christopher pyne actually wrote to the aeu-

B-IH0 K-AO1 Z-IH1-T-S JH-AH1-S T-W-ER1 TH-R-IH0 M-EH1-M B-ER0 IH0-NG DH-AE1-T K-R-IH1-S T-AH0 F-ER0 P-AY1 N-AE1-K CH-AH0 W-AH0 L-IY0 R-OW1-T T-UW1 DH-AH0 Y-UW1


... cease any cooperation with aitsl and its work. and-

S-IY1 S-EH1 N-IY0 K-OW0 AA2 P-ER0 EY1 SH-AH0 N-W-IH1 DH-EY1-T S-AH0 L-AH0-N D-IH1-T S-W-ER1 K-AH0-N-D


... we can only hope that under the new structure, this is something that gets repaired rather than a divide that gets further-

W-IY1 K-AE1 N-OW1 N-L-IY0 HH-OW1-P DH-AE1 T-AH1-N D-ER0 DH-AH0 N-UW1-S T-R-AH1-K CH-ER0 DH-IH1 S-IH1-Z S-AH1-M TH-IH0-NG DH-AE1-T G-EH1-T S-R-IH0 P-EH1-R D-R-AE1 DH-ER0 DH-AE1 N-AH0 D-IH0 V-AY1-D DH-AE1-T G-EH1-T-S F-ER1 DH-ER0


... separated.cameron, i'd like to think there'd be a change, by-

S-EH2 P-ER0 AH0 T-M-AE1-K S-IH0 N-AA0 D-IH1 D-L-AY1-K T-UW1 TH-IH1-NG-K DH-EH1-R-D B-IY1 AH0 CH-EY1-N-JH B-AY1


... by the prime minister to represent aboriginal people of australia and while yes, the council.

B-AY1 DH-AH0 P-R-AY1-M M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 T-UW1 R-EH2 P-R-AH0 Z-EH1-N T-AE2 B-ER0 IH1 JH-AH0 N-AH0-L P-IY1 P-AH0 L-AH1 V-AO0-S T-R-EY1 L-Y-AH0 AH0-N D-W-AY1 L-Y-EH1-S DH-AH0 K-AW1-N S-AH0-L


so that just seems to be their mode of-

S-OW1 DH-AE1-T JH-AH1-S-T S-IY1-M-Z T-UW1 B-IY1 DH-EH1-R M-OW1 D-AH1-V


... operation.yes, well, i suppose this is what we wait to see about the new front bench and the new prime minister's approach to things. i mean-

AA2 P-ER0 EY1 SH-AH0-N Z-W-EH1 L-AY1 S-AH0 P-OW1-Z DH-IH1 S-IH1 Z-W-AH1 T-W-IY1 W-EY1-T T-UW1 S-IY1 AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 N-UW1 F-R-AH1-N-T B-EH1-N CH-AH0-N-D DH-AH0 N-UW1 P-R-AY1-M M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 Z-AH0 P-R-OW1-CH T-UW1 TH-IH1-NG Z-AY1 M-IY1-N


but, as with so many things in politics and education-

B-AH1 T-AE1 Z-W-IH1-DH S-OW1 M-EH1 N-IY0 TH-IH1-NG Z-IH0-N P-AA1 L-AH0 T-IH2-K S-AH0-N D-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N


... we will just have to watch this space.

W-IY1 W-IH1-L JH-AH1-S-T HH-AE1-V T-UW1 W-AA1-CH DH-IH1-S-S P-EY1-S


in the final story that we wanted to talk about for this episode-

IH0-N DH-AH0 F-AY1 N-AH0-L-S T-AO1 R-IY0 DH-AE1 T-W-IY1 W-AA1-N T-AH0-D T-UW1 T-AO1 K-AH0 B-AW1-T F-AO1-R DH-IH1 S-EH1 P-AH0 S-OW2-D


and that was relating to the proposed changes for the national curriculum. as most of our listeners would be aware-

AH0-N-D DH-AE1 T-W-AA1 Z-R-IH0 L-EY1 T-IH0-NG T-UW1 DH-AH0 P-R-AH0 P-OW1-Z-D CH-EY1-N JH-AH0-Z F-AO1-R DH-AH0 N-AE1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L K-ER0 IH1 K-Y-AH0 L-AH0 M-AE1 Z-M-OW1-S T-AH1 V-AW1 ER0 L-IH1 S-AH0 N-ER0 Z-W-UH1-D B-IY1 AH0 W-EH1-R


and on friday, the 18th of september, potentially minister pyne's last working day as education minister-

AH0-N D-AA1-N F-R-AY1 D-IY0 DH-AH0 EY0 T-IY1-N TH-AH1-V S-EH0-P T-EH1-M B-ER0 P-AH0 T-EH1-N SH-AH0 L-IY0 M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 P-AY1-N Z-L-AE1-S T-W-ER1 K-IH0-NG D-EY1 AE1 Z-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0


a press release came out from the minister's office-

AH0 P-R-EH1 S-R-IY0 L-IY1-S K-EY1 M-AW1-T F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 M-IH1 N-AH0-S T-ER0 Z-AO1 F-AH0-S


it again mentions in part-

IH1 T-AH0 G-EH1-N M-EH1-N SH-AH0-N Z-IH0-N P-AA1-R-T


this announcement has been made before any significant changes have happened, but of course-

DH-IH1 S-AH0 N-AW1-N S-M-AH0-N-T HH-AE1-Z B-IH1-N M-EY1-D B-IH0 F-AO1 R-EH1 N-IY0 S-AH0 G-N-IH1 F-IH0 K-AH0-N-T CH-EY1-N JH-AH0-Z HH-AE1-V HH-AE1 P-AH0-N-D B-AH1 T-AH1-V K-AO1-R-S


... the labor government, the national curriculum was developed through a hugely consultative process that took some time. so it will be interesting to see-

DH-AH0 L-EY1 B-ER0 G-AH1 V-ER0 M-AH0-N-T DH-AH0 N-AE1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L K-ER0 IH1 K-Y-AH0 L-AH0 M-W-AA1-Z D-IH0 V-EH1 L-AH0-P-T TH-R-UW1 AH0 HH-Y-UW1 JH-L-IY0 K-AH0-N S-AH1-L T-AH0 T-IH0-V P-R-AA1 S-EH2-S DH-AE1-T T-UH1-K S-AH1-M T-AY1-M S-OW1 IH1 T-W-IH1-L B-IY1 IH1-N T-R-AH0-S T-IH0-NG T-UW1 S-IY1


... into the teaching programs, especially things that are quite specific like coding.

IH0-N T-UW1 DH-AH0 T-IY1 CH-IH0-NG P-R-OW1 G-R-AE2-M Z-AH0-S P-EH1 SH-L-IY0 TH-IH1-NG-Z DH-AE1 T-AA1-R K-W-AY1-T-S P-AH0 S-IH1 F-IH0 K-L-AY1-K K-OW1 D-IH0-NG


... teachers yesterday when that news came out. really looking forward to getting a hold of it and being able to start implementing it with the schools.

T-IY1 CH-ER0 Z-Y-EH1-S T-ER0 D-EY2 W-EH1-N DH-AE1 T-N-UW1-Z K-EY1 M-AW1 T-R-IH1 L-IY0 L-UH1 K-IH0-NG F-AO1 R-W-ER0-D T-UW1 G-EH1 T-IH0 NG-AH0 HH-OW1-L D-AH1 V-IH1 T-AH0-N-D B-IY1 IH0 NG-EY1 B-AH0-L T-UW1-S T-AA1-R T-IH1-M P-L-AH0 M-EH2-N T-IH0 NG-IH1 T-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0-S K-UW1-L-Z


yes, and technology and education-

Y-EH1 S-AH0-N-D T-EH0 K-N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0 AH0-N D-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N


... certainly is an area of endless-

S-ER1 T-AH0 N-L-IY0 IH1 Z-AE1 N-EH1 R-IY0 AH0 AH1 V-EH1-N D-L-AH0-S


... discussion and debate, and hopefully in a future and not too far away episode, we'll also be able to unpack that oacd report that-

D-IH0-S K-AH1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-N-D D-AH0 B-EY1 T-AH0-N-D HH-OW1-P F-AH0 L-IY0 IH0 N-AH0 F-Y-UW1 CH-ER0 AH0-N D-N-AA1-T T-UW1 F-AA1 R-AH0 W-EY1 EH1 P-AH0 S-OW2 D-W-EH1 L-AO1-L S-OW0 B-IY1 EY1 B-AH0-L T-UW1 AH0-N P-AE1-K DH-AE1 T-OW1-K T-R-IY0 P-AO1-R-T DH-AE1-T


... was published recently about the role of technology in education. but that is-

W-AA1-Z P-AH1 B-L-IH0-SH T-R-IY1 S-AH0-N T-L-IY0 AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 R-OW1 L-AH1-V T-EH0 K-N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0 IH0 N-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N B-AH1-T DH-AE1 T-IH1-Z


... for another episode. once again, when it comes to-

F-AO1 R-AH0 N-AH1 DH-ER0 EH1 P-AH0 S-OW2 D-W-AH1-N S-AH0 G-EH1 N-W-EH1 N-IH1-T K-AH1-M-Z T-UW1


... curriculum, it looks like we're back in the position of waiting to see what final documents are produced at a national level. and we will be looking to-

K-ER0 IH1 K-Y-AH0 L-AH0 M-IH1 T-L-UH1-K S-L-AY1 K-W-ER0 B-AE1 K-IH0-N DH-AH0 P-AH0 Z-IH1 SH-AH0 N-AH1 V-W-EY1 T-IH0-NG T-UW1 S-IY1 W-AH1-T F-AY1 N-AH0-L D-AA1 K-Y-AH0 M-AH0-N-T S-AA1-R P-R-AH0 D-UW1-S T-AE1 T-AH0 N-AE1 SH-AH0 N-AH0-L L-EH1 V-AH0 L-AH0-N D-W-IY1 W-IH1-L B-IY1 L-UH1 K-IH0-NG T-UW1


but for now are going to take a quick break and return with our main feature for this episode, an interview with bruce burnett and jo lampert from queensland university-

B-AH1-T F-AO1-R N-AW1 AA1-R G-OW1 IH0-NG T-UW1 T-EY1 K-AH0 K-W-IH1-K B-R-EY1 K-AH0-N D-R-IH0 T-ER1 N-W-IH1 DH-AW1 ER0 M-EY1-N F-IY1 CH-ER0 F-AO1-R DH-IH1 S-EH1 P-AH0 S-OW2 D-AE1 N-IH1-N T-ER0 V-Y-UW2 W-IH1-DH B-R-UW1-S B-ER0 N-EH1 T-AH0-N-D JH-OW1 L-AE1-M P-ER2-T F-R-AH1-M K-W-IY1-N Z-L-AE2-N D-Y-UW2 N-AH0 V-ER1 S-AH0 T-IY0


... a strategy we'd like to share as part of the teachers' brains trust, or if you would like to leave comments or feedback on one of our episodes, then please-

AH0-S T-R-AE1 T-AH0 JH-IY0 W-EH1 D-L-AY1-K T-UW1 SH-EH1 R-AE1-Z P-AA1-R T-AH1-V DH-AH0 T-IY1 CH-ER0-Z B-R-EY1-N-Z T-R-AH1-S T-AO1 R-IH1 F-Y-UW1 W-UH1 D-L-AY1-K T-UW1 L-IY1-V K-AA1 M-EH0-N-T S-AO1-R F-IY1-D B-AE2 K-AA1 N-W-AH1 N-AH1 V-AW1 ER0 EH1 P-AH0 S-OW2-D-Z DH-EH1-N P-L-IY1-Z


now please enjoy this episode's main feature.

N-AW1 P-L-IY1 Z-EH0-N JH-OY1 DH-IH1 S-EH1 P-AH0 S-OW2-D Z-M-EY1-N F-IY1 CH-ER0


... 2009, they have been coordinating the national exceptional teachers for disadvantaged schools program, which aims-

T-UW1 TH-AW1 Z-AH0-N D-N-AY1-N DH-EY1 HH-AE1-V B-IH1-N K-OW0 AO1-R D-AH0 N-EY2 T-IH0-NG DH-AH0 N-AE1 SH-AH0 N-AH0 L-IH0-K S-EH1-P SH-AH0 N-AH0-L T-IY1 CH-ER0-Z F-AO1-R D-IH0 S-AH0-D V-AE1-N T-IH0-JH-D-S K-UW1-L-Z P-R-OW1 G-R-AE2 M-W-IH1 CH-EY1-M-Z


... all parts of australian education, trialing strategies to better meet the needs of disadvantaged students.

AO1-L P-AA1-R-T S-AH1 V-AO0-S T-R-EY1 L-Y-AH0 N-EH2 JH-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N T-R-AY1 AH0 L-IH0-NG-S T-R-AE1 T-AH0 JH-IY0-Z T-UW1 B-EH1 T-ER0 M-IY1-T DH-AH0 N-IY1-D Z-AH1-V D-IH0 S-AH0-D V-AE1-N T-IH0-JH-D-S T-UW1 D-AH0-N-T-S


... burnett and joe lampitt from the queensland university of technology.

B-ER0 N-EH1 T-AH0-N-D JH-OW1 L-AE1-M P-IH0-T F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 K-W-IY1-N Z-L-AE2-N D-Y-UW2 N-AH0 V-ER1 S-AH0 T-IY0 AH1-V T-EH0 K-N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0


joining me now from the queensland university of technology are associate professor bruce burnett and-

JH-OY1 N-IH0-NG M-IY1 N-AW1 F-R-AH1-M DH-AH0 K-W-IY1-N Z-L-AE2-N D-Y-UW2 N-AH0 V-ER1 S-AH0 T-IY0 AH1-V T-EH0 K-N-AA1 L-AH0 JH-IY0 AA1 R-AH0 S-OW1 S-IY0 AH0-T P-R-AH0 F-EH1 S-ER0 B-R-UW1-S B-ER0 N-EH1 T-AH0-N-D


cameron, if we can, we're very careful to differentiate what we do from the whole discussion around-

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we're selecting them on their grades halfway through, so that means that the gpa we're talking about is how they've been doing in an education course. so that include-

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done on one plaque already, how well their-

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their tutors think they're doing in an education course. how well they're doing as future teach-

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teachers. so we are really not at all connected with how they-

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done when... to get into their education degree and-

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i see. so when you talk about giving them specialized training to work in disadvantaged schools, what exactly-

AY1 S-IY1 S-OW1 W-EH1 N-Y-UW1 T-AO1 K-AH0 B-AW1-T G-IH1 V-IH0-NG DH-EH1-M-S P-EH1 SH-AH0 L-AY2-Z-D T-R-EY1 N-IH0-NG T-UW1 W-ER1 K-IH0-N D-IH0 S-AH0-D V-AE1-N T-IH0-JH-D-S K-UW1-L Z-W-AH1 T-IH0-G Z-AE1-K T-L-IY0


i see as schools and for many of the-

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you were setting out to solve in the development of this particular teaching program.

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there were obvious, of course, as well. one-

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is an issue of distribution. so we know-

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there's a high achieving graduates in education faculties around the country, ended up teaching in leafy green suburbs or independent schools. so partly-

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wanted the best teachers, the most... the high achieving teachers to go to the schools that needed them-

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in 2011, we've had four graduating cohort-

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scenarios in either state... inner city state schools, or independent schools. now, that figure has dropped to around about 30%. so-

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or have you seen any impact in terms of the actual-

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our first graduates from the program are now in their third year of teaching.

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and we've conducted lots and lots of interviews with principals and school personnel, and they're doing exceptionally-

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good. there are some schools, for instance-

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previous to our graduates being in this school at all for-

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is the associated cost, in terms of especially when compared to what might be considered traditional teacher training pathways. how-

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... does this program compare in terms of what it costs to give teachers this specialized training?

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... is the area. but bruce can talk about some of the more new-

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... degree, so that stays the same and they just do that if they are into like-

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i see, and the other question, i suppose, that often goes along with the cost one is-

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... on student results comes up and while it may be too early to be able to talk about concrete evidence of student improvement, what sort of time-

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... frame you're looking at running this program before you can start to-

F-R-EY1 M-Y-UH1-R L-UH1 K-IH0 NG-AE1 T-R-AH1 N-IH0-NG DH-IH1-S P-R-OW1 G-R-AE2-M B-IH0 F-AO1 R-Y-UW1 K-AE1-N-S T-AA1-R-T T-UW1


... see whether or not that specialized training is having an impact.

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it's a student learning outcomes. they could determine in a range of different-

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... areas, but what we are seeing and it is too early to answer that, that we've only been able to do any-

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... student learning outcome movement in terms of the national benchmark tests, however-

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... in a range of different aspects-

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... they are doing it in such the way that they've been noticed. and there'd be-

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... no bit of a surprise to us that it's, that we've been able to attract the interest as well as the support across.

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we don't have a goal, an end goal, i've been offered in every-

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... patient. for example, we're very comfortable with where it's sitting at the moment and-

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fair enough. but to ask the question of growth from a slightly different perspective, then i mean-

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... if over a long enough period of time, you're able to demonstrate that these targeted specialized instruction is as effective as you hope it might be, or even-

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that's a good question and we get asked that quite regularly. so in some respects, we would-

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... always like to remain boutique and specialized because it is quite labor intensive. part of the reason we think-

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... our program works is because we work really closely with our students.

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so there are two answers to that in a way.

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there are clearly, a resource implications in saying-

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... but it, there are many other great teachers that go through the system, but to this particular program-

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... from a lot of other programs, is it around, it's purely by the level of performance that these particular students are displaying-

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... we helped to facilitate the process of enabling them to secure [inaudible 00:05:04] women-

W-IY1 HH-EH1-L-P-T T-UW1 F-AH0 S-IH1 L-AH0 T-EY2-T DH-AH0 P-R-AA1 S-EH2 S-AH1 V-EH0 N-EY1 B-AH0 L-IH0-NG DH-EH1-M T-UW1 S-IH0 K-Y-UH1 R-IH0 N-AO1 D-AH0 B-AH0-L Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z F-AY1 V-M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D F-AO1-R S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D Z-W-IH1 M-AH0-N


... yet we know from historical data, that-

Y-EH1 T-W-IY1 N-OW1 F-R-AH1-M HH-IH0-S T-AO1 R-IH0 K-AH0-L D-EY1 T-AH0 DH-AE1-T


... much of the rivalry.

M-AH1 CH-AH1-V DH-AH0 R-AY1 V-AH0-L R-IY0


... in terms of employment opportunity is in fact in those-

IH0-N T-ER1-M Z-AH1 V-EH0-M P-L-OY1 M-AH0-N T-AA2 P-ER0 T-UW1 N-AH0 T-IY0 IH1 Z-IH0-N F-AE1-K T-IH0-N DH-OW1-Z


... at university or during practicum. so-

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... it's perfect.another implication of the bigger isn't necessarily better question then is-

IH1-T-S P-ER0 F-EH1-K T-AH0 N-AO2-R T-IH2-M P-L-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0 N-AH1-V DH-AH0 B-IH1 G-ER0 IH1 S-AH0-N T-N-EH2 S-AH0 S-EH1 R-AH0 L-IY0 B-EH1 T-ER0 K-W-EH1-S CH-AH0-N DH-EH1 N-IH1-Z


... the processes that been, and also tied to that. how do you-

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... did the program? we ran the program under the [inaudible 00:05:37] within an existing bachelor of education pro-

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... there were no real resource implications.

DH-EH1 R-W-ER0 N-OW1 R-IY1-L R-IY1 S-AO0-R S-IH2-M P-L-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N-Z


the state, these particular stuff that in, across these different u-

DH-AH0-S T-EY1-T DH-IY1-Z P-ER0 T-IH1 K-Y-AH0 L-ER0-S T-AH1-F DH-AE1 T-IH0 N-AH0 K-R-AO1-S DH-IY1-Z D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N T-Y-UW1


... there are clearly implications down the track for how long that funding can cont-

DH-EH1 R-AA1-R K-L-IH1-R L-IY0 IH2-M P-L-AH0 K-EY1 SH-AH0-N-Z D-AW1-N DH-AH0 T-R-AE1-K F-AO1-R HH-AW1 L-AO1-NG DH-AE1-T F-AH1-N D-IH0-NG K-AE1-N K-AA1-N-T


... -inue, but we would hope that each of the institutions in some way, and i'll be different ways, each of them are very different models that same core model, but they're recommending-

IH0 N-Y-UW1 B-AH1 T-W-IY1 W-UH1-D HH-OW1-P DH-AE1 T-IY1 CH-AH1-V DH-AH0 IH2-N-S T-IH0 T-UW1 SH-AH0-N Z-IH0-N S-AH1 M-W-EY1 AH0-N D-IH1-L B-IY1 D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N T-W-EY1 Z-IY1 CH-AH1-V DH-EH1 M-AA1-R V-EH1 R-IY0 D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N T-M-AA1 D-AH0-L-Z DH-AE1-T S-EY1-M K-AO1-R M-AA1 D-AH0-L B-AH1-T TH-EH1-R R-EH2 K-AH0 M-EH1-N D-IH0-NG


... in different ways. each of those institutions, we hope that-

IH0-N D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N T-W-EY1 Z-IY1 CH-AH1-V DH-OW1 Z-IH2-N-S T-IH0 T-UW1 SH-AH0-N Z-W-IY1 HH-OW1-P DH-AE1-T


... they will either secure funding from other sources or even better still-

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how have you found that process in different states in australia, whenever you ge-

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so they will... we are exploring as we speak now-

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client who they wish in other states that is much more constrained, in your own new south wales case-

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... where there was a lower cs school schooling section, they actively channel if you like those graduates to where they were needed and that enabled-

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i think that we would hate to see it disappear and become another thing that was tried and then disappeared after a couple of-

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... years, sustainability really is the most important issue-

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... and if everyone agrees, it's a really cruci-

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... i suppose, what we would like to see most is for that to become, as we've been saying, all along core business within faculty is for us, it's one of our, our passi-

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... is it's the only kind of teacher education we've been wanting to do when-

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what we do know also as a consequence of working in this area for a number of years is how much international excit-

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... schools as crucial, for instance, as literacy is a part of it, every education faculty or maths or science-

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... or whatever it is. we think that, that, you know-

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... that in the end, that probably is our goal is to make sure that-

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... these couple of years. for those who might be interested in learning a bit more is there any-

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connected to our faculty.so professor-

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... professor [olempath 00:07:59] thank you very much for your time and best of luck with the future of the program.

P-R-AH0 F-EH1 S-ER0 OW1 L-AH0-M P-AE2-TH Z-IH1 R-OW0 AW1 ER0-Z S-EH1 V-AH0-N M-IH1 N-AH0-T S-AH0-N-D F-IH1-F T-IY0 N-AY1-N S-EH1 K-AH0-N-D-Z TH-AE1-NG K-Y-UW1 V-EH1 R-IY0 M-AH1-CH F-AO1 R-Y-AO1-R T-AY1 M-AH0-N-D B-EH1-S T-AH1 V-L-AH1 K-W-IH1-DH DH-AH0 F-Y-UW1 CH-ER0 AH1-V DH-AH0 P-R-OW1 G-R-AE2-M


but in this particular program-

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... teaching, but it also seems to have a genuine chance of making a difference for the students with the greatest need.

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they were basing it on how those students were progressing once they were sort of midway through their teacher education-

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... that you have to have a particularly high a chart to enter a teacher-

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... opinion and so i'm interested that there selecting people-

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... the thing.yeah, absolutely [korean 00:08:41] and further to that. i think the other thing about this program-

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... conventional teacher training programs that we see in australia is that what they're doing here is really recognizing that-

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... disadvantaged schools are schools with disadvantaged students have particular needs that need very high intensity, contextually, appropriate training-

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... to be able to thrive and to be able to support students straight away-

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... rest of their cohort. but then those students will end up in vastly different contexts and as bruce-

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... and joe were saying in that interview, what they are finding is they are able to get students who come from more traditionally affluent well-off, leafy green kind of parts of queensland-

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... to actually find a place and feel engaged, working in these disadvan-

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... saying that it has similar success as-

S-EY1 IH0-NG DH-AE1 T-IH1-T HH-AE1-Z S-IH1 M-AH0 L-ER0 S-AH0-K S-EH1 S-AE1-Z


... as it has been some time since i recorded that interview, i had some issues with the audio that took a bit of time to fix up-

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... but for anybody who'd like to know more about the program, please-

B-AH1-T F-AO1 R-EH1 N-IY0 B-AH0 D-IY0 HH-AA1 D-L-AY1-K T-UW1 N-OW1 M-AO1 R-AH0 B-AW1-T DH-AH0 P-R-OW1 G-R-AE2-M P-L-IY1-Z


please make sure you check out the links-

P-L-IY1 Z-M-EY1-K SH-UH1 R-Y-UW1 CH-EH1 K-AW1-T DH-AH0 L-IH1-NG-K-S


... long-term project and results are very hard to quantify in a short period of time, but it does-

L-AO1-NG T-ER2-M P-R-AA1 JH-EH0-K T-AH0-N D-R-IH0 Z-AH1-L-T S-AA1-R V-EH1 R-IY0 HH-AA1-R-D T-UW1 K-W-AA1-N T-IH0 F-AY2 IH0 N-AH0 SH-AO1-R-T P-IH1 R-IY0 AH0 D-AH1-V T-AY1-M B-AH1 T-IH1-T D-AH1-Z


well, that brings us to the end of this episode. a reminder that if you'd like to keep up to date on all of the latest stories in education, you can follow our twitter feed on at-

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... all the top stories in education from around the country. or you can always visit our news aggregate page at bit dot l-

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... and queensland who are starting their holidays this weekend. hope-

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... you have a safe and restful break and to everybody else, enjoy the last week of term before you take your spring holiday break.as always-

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... we end each episode with a quote and today's comes from abigail adams, who said-

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"learning is not attained by chance, it must be-

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... thoughtful with ardor and attended to with diligence."

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mobile phones in schools have been a somewhat controversial issue ever-

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... jurisdictions and with different outcomes, depending on who you talk to and what you're using as your metrics for success.

JH-UH2 R-IH0-S D-IH1-K SH-AH0-N Z-AH0-N D-W-IH1-DH D-IH1 F-ER0 AH0-N T-AW1-T K-AH2-M-Z D-IH0 P-EH1-N D-IH0 NG-AA1-N HH-UW1 Y-UW1 T-AO1-K T-UW1 AH0-N D-W-AH1 T-Y-UH1 R-Y-UW1 Z-IH0 NG-AE1 Z-Y-AO1-R M-EH1 T-R-IH0-K-S F-AO1-R S-AH0-K S-EH1-S


the city of new york became one of the first district to implement-

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... a widespread policy of banning mobile phones in schools, and that was in 2005-

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... which is nearly two years before the first iphone-

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... even hit the markets. now that ban lasted approximately 10 years before it was ended for a number of reasons.

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