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Disney Defenders Seem to Forget that Sony Actually Made Good Spider-Man Movies Before Disney
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When it was announced that Spider-Man was leaving the Marvel Cinematic Universe due to a split between Sony and Disney, many fans were quick to pick one side over the other.
While Sony definitely had its share of supporters, it seemed as if the vast majority of MCU fans, naturally, wanted Tom Holland's Peter Parker to stay under Disney's control… even if Disney was making some pretty unreasonable financial demands of Sony.
And what these fans seem to forget is that Sony's Spider-Man films really kicked off the current superhero movie craze with the Sam Raimi trilogy (along with the early X-Men movies). In fact, it could be argued that the Marvel Cinematic Universe wouldn't even exist at all without Sony's Spider-Man movies being such huge successes in the 2000s.
(Yeah, we'll just gloss over the Amazing Spider-Man reboot for now.)
Paramount wanted some of that superhero money, and the MCU was born. Disney only swooped in when it was clear there were big bucks to be made off other Marvel properties.
That's right. Disney didn't even create the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Mind blown, right?
Original Raimi Spider-Man Screenwriter David Koepp Says It's "Weird" for Fans to Want Spider-Man to Stay with Disney.
In a recent interview with Den of Geek, the screenwriter of the original Sam Raimi Spider-Man film, David Koepp, had some thoughts on the current situation with Sony and Disney.
Disney wants what it wants, and obviously it's used to acquiring and controlling. But I understand Sony's point of view better: 'But wait, it's ours. We own it. You can't just have half of it. You can't just take it.' So it's a tough situation. And I think certainly the last couple of Spider-Man movies have been terrific. But the animated film that they did without Disney's involvement was, you know, even more terrific. What's weird to me is those Marvel movie fans who are quick to spring to Disney's defense like they're a plucky underdog who needs to be defended.
Disney wants what they want, and they're rapidly buying up the entertainment landscape. Hollywood is looking more and more like, well, Disneyland.
Now that they've acquired Fox (and with it, the X-Men and the Fantastic Four) I have to admit that there's a bit of satisfaction in seeing them not be able to have that one Infinity Stone that would give them complete control over all of Marvel's characters.
And yes. Into the Spider-Verse was a damn fine movie, and Venom did much, much better than anyone could have predicted.
Speaking of "weird," Disney CEO Bob Iger stepped down from the Apple board of directors.
So Disney's CEO Bob Iger stepped down from the Apple board of directors last week, due to a conflict of interest as Apple has announced its own streaming service which will compete directly with Disney Plus.
Iger would've known about Apple's plans for a long time. But did he know about…
The rumor that Apple might buy Sony…
So there's this. A potential opportunity for Disney to get the rights to Spider-Man back in a round about way.
It's being rumored that Apple is gearing up for a major acquisition, and that acquisition might just be Sony.
It makes sense. Apple makes high end electronics, so does Sony. It would push Apple to the top of the video game market, and give them a ton of much-needed media for their Apple+ streaming service right out of the gate, as most other content is tied up with Disney, Warner and Universal — all of which have their own streaming apps on the way.
Will Spider-Man: Far From Home be Peter Parker's last foray into the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
But what happens to Spider-Man if Apple buy Sony?
Well, the word is that if Sony sells to anyone, the Spider-Man film rights revert back to Marvel. Which Disney owns. And bam, Spider-Man is back in the MCU.
So, is this Iger's own Endgame? Knowing that his friends over at Apple are going to make a play for Sony, and just biding his time?
It's completely possible.
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Maybe Spider-Man is better off sitting out Phase 4. Honestly, maybe Spider-Man is better off staying out of the MCU entirely so he can be the superhero he was always intended to be.
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mastergodai September 24, 2019 at 2:12 pm
while yes this is true you gotta admit the MCU spider-man Suit looks the best
Jake Marshall September 27, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Sam Raimi did good Spider-Man movies, not Sony. And when Sony tried to intervene and tell him how to do his job, that's when we got Spider-Man 3 and Emo Peter Parker.
Elvick October 4, 2019 at 12:52 am
This is such a cherry picking way of thinking. Movie turns out bad, Sony to blame. It's good, Sony had NOTHING to do with it! Because hiring people, and giving them the creative space to make something good is something they have no involvement in at all… oh right.
GC001 September 28, 2019 at 4:01 am
I think Gary @ Nerdrotic also made a good point that Sony might be using its share in Spider-Man to negotiate for a possible studio sale. There are rumblings Apple might buy out a studio or other production whether that's CBS or Sony. Having one of the larger superhero characters for feature options has to make Sony look better for a sale…
As far as Spider-Man movies go, I like the Raimi trilogy. I have not cared for what I've seen of the Spider-Man films since. (And yes, I include Into The Spider-Verse as well. You know which direction they'll go in after that film.) I HATED Amazing Spider-Man and didn't bother with the sequel. The trailer put me off of Homecoming which lived up to all the nonsense I saw in the teaser and I had no interest in the sequel. Yes, they've treated Spider-Man more like a sidekick (dependent on his mentor) in the MCU than an independent superhero. He was never a joiner of teams in the comics, Bendis' beliefs aside.
Spidey being relegated to Iron Man's sidekick/protege didn't sit well with me and was a fundamental change from the comics which you have to expect from Hollywood…
And the erosion of these characters continues at a pace and the general public isn't even aware of it. The industry that birthed these characters is on life support now and there's a collective "meh" when people hear that.
I'll be surprised if many of these characters have better brand awareness in 30 years than the Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, and Zorro do now. Those characters I just mentioned WERE the first wave of popular action/adventure mysterymen in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. I don't honestly think the Marvel and DC characters will fare much better. The best passes in film have been done with these superhero characters in the last 30 years (which ties about the screen longevity of the aforementioned Ranger, Hornet, and Zorro) and we're at the point of top saturation. People are just going to get sick of these characters if they're not there yet… Superheroes are being overdone just like the western films were.
Elvick October 4, 2019 at 1:03 am
The MCU films are fine, but they don't feel like Spider-Man films. Just sidestories of the MCU itself. I don't like Peter playing second fiddle in his own films, yet he always will when Disney has the control. They don't want to push solo characters, aside from "diverse" ones, they want to push the MCU. So you go see EVERY movie. Not just one character's films. Watch just the Spider-Man films and you'll be missing out on stuff because you didn't watch the other films that set up aspects of these films. And then you go watch those that explain things, and suddenly you have to watch more and more…
I am tired of connected universes. It's good in theory, but in practice it's just so tiring and annoying for solo characters who can stand alone like Spidey.
And people attacking Sony and pretending they never made any good films are crazy. And I'm sorry, but I'd rather watch Spider-Man 3 or The Amazing Spider-Man 2 than Iron Man 3 or Thor 2 (or Thor 1 tbh). Those are the only actually terrible films in the franchise; TAS is fine people are too hung up on hipster hair and a skateboard, yeah those are dumb, but the rest of it was great.
2 bad films out of 6 is not bad. 5 if you only count live action.
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