Mark Drakeford
Mark Drakeford on restrictions in January and whether he has any regrets as First Minister
The First Minister has spoken about what to expect next year and his fears around Omicron
Ruth MosalskiPolitical Editor
First Minister Mark Drakeford (Image: PA)
First Minister Mark Drakeford has spoken out about coronavirus restrictions and his fears around the new Omicron variant in a new interview.
During the interview with Wales Online, he also discussed his time as First Minister, including what he has most loved and most regretted about the job as he reflects on the past year and looks ahead to 2022.
Mr Drakeford said that a full lockdown in January is currently unlikely, although he couldn't rule out tougher restrictions coming into force.
New rules came into effect across Wales on Boxing Day - you can read the full list of new rules here.
Further restrictions that could be brought in if the coronavirus situation in Wales does not improve include limits on the number of people in supermarkets and in queues at the checkouts.
Mr Drakeford described the "bleak" moment he knew how dangerous Omicron would be. He said there have been points in the last few weeks where the most strict restrictions for Christmas were being considered.
You can read the full interview below:
Can people be optimistic about 2022? There are long NHS waiting lists, school children not knowing if they're going back to school, inflation, job concerns...
"We have to have optimism about the future. Almost all the things you listed are in one way or another connected to the coronavirus experience and we're going to have a tough start to the new year with the new variant.
"The models on the whole show we will have a very sharp rise in cases in January but that the cases will come down rapidly as well and as we push past the impact of the new variant we will be able to get back on our feet across the range of those things.
"We will have to go on dealing with the impact on NHS lists and on children's education well into the future but Wales remains a place with very significant strength and very significant levels of social solidarity and we have to be optimistic about our collective ability to shape a future beyond Coronavirus that will be, as I've said many times, will be stronger, fairer and attends to the other great challenges of our time including climate change.
What would you write in your diary to recap 2021?
I don't keep a diary, if I was looking back at 2021 I would have recorded a year that was pretty difficult. From the Easter period onwards, we've had a lengthy period where the levels of protections needed has been pretty low and people have been able to go about their daily lives a lot closer to what they were used to.
Had it not been for the new Omicron variant we would have been looking at a pretty smooth passage into Christmas and the New Year. So it's been a mixed year. The Welsh economy has rebounded from lockdowns at the start of last year remarkably strongly. There are more people in work today than were in work in the month before the pandemic started altogether.
Falling levels of unemployment and unemployment levels below those across the UK. So it's a year with a shadow of coronavirus over it all but not without better spots as well.
On a personal level, what was the hardest point?
For me personally, I would say the hardest day was just before Christmas last year when we had to close schools a week earlier than we planned. For me, the reason it was the toughest decision was that I know for the many years I worked in Cardiff West that for some of our children, primary school-aged children, the only Christmas they get is in school. If there's a party, it's in school, if it's a Christmas dinner it's in school. Some children if they get a present at Christmas, they get it at school.
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What about the day you heard of Omicron?
Of course, that was a very bleak moment because if it hadn't been for that, we'd had a cabinet meeting the week before where the advice to us and our own assessment was that we had a pathway through Christmas and into the New Year that was pretty benign and then a week later we suddenly had to grapple with the fact there was this new and significant threat. And that was a bleak moment and that's for everybody because we really had hoped that was beginning to be behind us.
In January last year, you couldn't see anyone or really leave the house, should people prepare for that again?
Our plan is to reopen the Welsh economy after Christmas, shops reopening, hospitality reopening but where the levels of protections we build in are stronger than they needed to be in recent months. You'll be able to go shopping in the supermarket but the things you remember from earlier in the pandemic, the one way systems, the limits on numbers so shops don't get too crowded, proper arrangements at the checkout so people keep 2m apart from one another those will need to be reinstated to deal with Omicron but it won't stop those things from happening.
What's been the moment of being First Minister this year you've most enjoyed?
At the very start of the election campaign, at the beginning of April at that point, we weren't able to go knocking on people's doors. Things were getting better but not quite as good as that and I went to Porthcawl with our candidate and you know in a job I do you never know what it's going to be like. You arrive, you get out of the car and you don't know how people are feeling or what the reception will be like.
But actually, from that very first day I felt there was a sense of people feeling their mood was lifting, it was the first weekend after you could go back to the caravans for the first time in many months and as I went around Porthcawl I met person after person saying they were glad they lived in Wales and saying they felt they'd been kept safe and were really pleased they could be back walking on the beach being with our grandchildren and all of that. So if there was one moment in the year where I felt that people had turned a corner and the months ahead were better than the ones behind them.
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I don't imagine you sit and trawl the comments about yourself, but there are two camps. One is those people who say you've done the right thing and protected the country and the others who don't want restrictions and will come out and criticise you. Does that criticism get to you?
In a way you just can't let it, can you? We make the decisions we do in Welsh Government not because we're trying to please or displease people but simply on the basis of the best advice we can and if we don't make those decisions then the lives of everyone would be more difficult than they otherwise would be. Of course, I meet people who take a different view and they're completely entitled to do that but we never make the decisions in the end thinking is this popular or will it be unpopular, it's 'will this save peoples lives?'. And I could have chosen some other difficult decisions from the last year, such as when you meet the families of people who have lost loved ones who won't be with them this Christmas or New Year and those things leave a scar forever. I have those people in my mind.
Have you any regrets?
What I always say is that when I look back I can't find a decision where knowing what we knew at the time I would have made a different decision I can always find decisions where knowing what I know now I would have done things differently.
So yesterday, when we were making really difficult decisions about major sporting events, the Cheltenham Festival was in my mind.
I've often been asked if we were too slow back in March 2020 and you will remember the festival went ahead and many, many, people fell ill as a result of it and had we known then what we know now, I think we would have made a different decision. When I was thinking about the Welsh Grand National and whether it should go ahead than trying to learn the lessons of things we've faced in the past and make better decisions now.
What's the best Christmas present someone can buy you?
Oh my, what a very difficult decision. I have been asking people at home, there are some things I need for my allotment that need to be replaced. I managed to get an hour up there yesterday and it was wonderful. If those things come through, then I'll be up there.
I am the worst person for buying things before Christmas. There are days to go, what is Christmas Eve for it isn't buying Christmas presents.
Which is the board game or Christmas game Mark Drakeford is secretly very good at?
We will, I am certain, play Monopoly. For a socialist, I can make quite a good board game capitalist, so I'll be buying up lots of property and forcing others out of business.
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