coreymb said:
That was a surprisingly good game. Wasnt expecting much from the packers with all the injuries they have.
Packers are a good team with a lot of experience, that's the difference. Cards are a young team that saw some success with a mixed schedule (good/bad teams). Not saying it was an easy Packers win but even without Adams on a short week give me the experienced team any time.
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I thought they would keep it close due to what you are saying, but not win. Too many injuries on a short week. Not just adams, but other wrs, missing best cb(which is huge as gb as horrid cbs), make shift o line, d line etc. Now it looks like their best TE will be out.
Hopkins missing most of the game obviously helped the packers a lot.
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They pressured Murray all game, always seemed to be in the backfield. I think Zona's center was out too (and that Watt loss on short notice couldn't have come at a worse time). Will be interesting to see how they respond against San Fran in 10 days.
How odd...
2 rookie QB's get their first ever start as somewhat large'ish underdogs (White for the Jets at +11.5 vs. the Bengals, Rush for the 'Boys at +4 vs. the Vikings) and both win outright.
Jameis Winston tears his ACL and Trevor Siemien of all people comes in and takes down Thom Brady and the Bucs with no problem.
Gamblers all across America once again light their couches on fire.
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That was quite a show
Giants almost pulled it off.
NFL Public Betting Trends - Latest Bet and Money Percentages for Week 8
See the public betting trends for each week of the NFL season, including bet percentages (ticket percentage) and money percentages (percent of handle).
www.sportsbettingdime.com
Chefs had about 78% of the handle on them at -9.5
Over 52 had about 73% of the handle.
Once again, about 75% of America is lighting their couches on fire in anger.
(not me though, I took the Giants +10.5 )
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Las Vegas Raiders second-year wide receiver Henry Ruggs III was charged with a DUI resulting in death after being involved in a serious car accident in Las Vegas early Tuesday, according to law enforcement.
The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department released a statement confirming that Ruggs, 22, was driving the Chevrolet Corvette that was involved in a crash near the intersection of South Rainbow Boulevard and South Spring Valley Parkway just before 3:40 a.m.
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Someone bet 1K to win 100k plus, that White would throw the most yards this week. Amazing
thedarkwingduck2k11 said:
Yeah he's done. What an idiot.
What do you guys think of Aaron Rodgers lying he had the Covid vaccination? I have no stance in this COVID vaccination controversy, but I do have a bit of a problem with the NFL not taking any disciplinary action yet. Are they still weighing on what's the right course of action to take, or just completely ignoring this?
It seems to be more complicated than "he lied"
I guess he told the NFL the truth (if you believe them) and there was a whole deal where they brought an arbitration lawyer in and heard Rodgers "immunized" defense
Arbitrator said "immunization" isn't vaccination and he needed to be considered unvaccinated.
The NFLs position is that it's up to the individual teams to enforce the vaccination policy.
Basically, the NFL is trying to throw the Packers under the bus.
The reason why they can't do that though, is because you have hours and hours of footage of a non-masked Rodgers giving post-game interviews to reporters.
Green Bay is going to point the finger right back at the NFL and say they knew and did nothing.
Right now, I think the two sides are trying to figure out how both of them can walk away from this without other players/teams feeling like the league isn't incompetent.
TLDR: It's quite a mess.
I think when you are making $30M a year and are the leader of a team and play in a league that mandates vaccinations or daily testing, you really need to follow the f---ing rules. I can't stand these privileged assholes that don't realize exactly how privileged they are. For $30M a year you can shoot bleach into my veins, I wouldn't care. Rodgers is completely selfish and is all about me me me. (Just look at his off season drama). A complete failure of leadership. If you are going to make the choice to not vaccinate, then follow the damn mask rules. Not that he still wouldn't have gotten covid but he wouldn't have looked like such a selfish a--hole and he would have potentially protected his teammates. His best receiver was out just last week with covid.
Same with that coach from WSU. That guy threw away $15M in guaranteed money. I don't care if he already made $6M and should be able to live on that forever, walking away from $15M for a selfish decision that not only effects you, your team, and future generations of your family make you a moron. 99% of the people getting vaccinated are A-OK. So let's throw all that away for the 1% chance I have some reaction. Idiot.
These people that throw away million dollar livelihoods over this issue boggle my mind.
As for the NFL, they are a f---ing joke. Between the Washington investigation and the Gruden mess and then ignoring this issue, they have no credibility.
I don't know if you've been keeping up with the news, but more and more data is coming out showing that the vaccines might not be a "completely safe and effective" as the government had been touting.
Specifically, there's a really weird spike in blood clots requiring treatment (and sometimes proving fatal) amongst populations of people who typically shouldn't be experiencing them (45 and under crowd).
No definitive proof one way or another that it has anything to do with the vaccines, but there is mounting evidence.
Such as this:
Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine recipients almost 4X as likely to get blood clots: Study
The study also noted that women aged 30-49 showed the highest risk levels among all recipients counted.
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Johnson & Johnson COVID Vaccine Recipients Almost 4X as Likely to Get Blood Clots: Study​
A new study conducted in one county in Minnesota has found an increased likelihood that citizens who received the Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 vaccine were more likely to develop blood clots.
The study by the Mayo Clinic found that recipients of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, officially designated "Janssen," in Olmsted County, Minnesota, were about 3.7 times more likely to develop a certain variety of cerebral blood clots. Case numbers taken from February 28 to May 7, 2021, were compared to pre-pandemic levels of the blood clots from January 1, 2001, through December 31, 2015.
Census data from 2020 showed that 162,847 people live in Olmsted County.
Previous studies on this issue, the Mayo Clinic study notes, have yielded inconclusive results. Despite the concerning data, it was noted that the number of recipients to develop blood clots was still statistically rare and "considered in the context of the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing COVID-19."
The study noted that the risk of developing the blood clots was found to be noticeably higher in women. Female recipients of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine observed in the study were around 5.1 times more likely to have the side effect compared to pre-pandemic numbers. Out of every demographic defined for the study, the risk was found to be the highest in women aged 40-49, followed by women aged 30-39.
It was further stressed, however, that "the absolute [side effect] risk was still low."
"It was surprising that it is predominantly women (especially 30- to 49-year-old women) who are at a higher risk for [cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST)] in the first 15 days after the administration of Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine," Dr. Aneel A. Ashrani, leader of the study, told Healio.
"We do not have a good explanation for it but speculate that they may have additional/concomitant CVST risk factors, (eg, oral contraceptive pill use) or may have a predisposition to autoantibody production that may have led to vaccine-associated thrombocytopenia with thrombosis," he said.
In April, the rollout of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was paused after six cases of CVST were reported among recipients. Though it was a small number of cases, top health agencies advocated for the pause while the situation was assessed.
The issue was also observed in the AstraZeneca vaccine. A handful of patients, including BBC presenter Lisa Shaw and British fashion model Stephanie DuBois, died from blood clots after receiving AstraZeneca shots.
The Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine has also been linked to a potential increased risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) after reports emerged in July that around 100 people who received the single-dose vaccine developed the condition. GBS is an autoimmune disease that causes the immune system to target the nervous system. It can lead to muscle weakness or, in some cases, paralysis.
"Reports of adverse events following use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine under emergency use authorization suggest an increased risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome during the 42 days following vaccination," the FDA said in a fact sheet on Emergency Use Authorization.
My point isn't that vaccines are going to kill everyone... or even that they are going to kill more people than COVID.
It's only that if you're a world class athlete (love or hate him, Aaron Rodgers is)... your risk of dying or having serious compliations from COVID is pretty much 0%.
Your risk of getting a serious side effect from a vaccine might be under 1%, or it might end up being much higher as we still learn the long-term effects, but why even take that risk?
If your only answer is, "For $30 million dollars!"
Well... sure, for you and I that's a no-brainer.
For someone like Aaron Rodgers who is financially set for life though? What's another $30 million to him?
There is a point where money stops being meaningful in peoples lives. I would assume Aaron Rodgers crossed that threshold some time ago. You still need to fight for every penny if you're an NFL player, but you're going it more for the NFLPA and the benefit of other players (and to try to stick it to owners) than you are for your future financial security. I'm sure for Rodgers, he's also doing it out of principal/ego related reasons. Why should someone he views as inferior from a talent perspective be compensated more than he is?
Oh, and I agree... he should have been wearing a mask/following the rules, even if he didn't agree with them.
My point isn't that vaccines are going to kill everyone.
It's only that if you're a world class athlete... your risk of dying from COVID is pretty much 0%.
There is a point where money stops being meaningful in peoples lives. I would assume Aaron Rodgers crossed that threshold some time ago. You still need to fight for every penny if you're an NFL player, but you're going it for the NFLPA and the benefit of other players (and to try to stick it to owners).
There is never a point where $30M becomes meaningless in someone's life. Ever. And if it does, then he should be donating that s--- to his favorite charity. If you choose a selfish decision over $30M, I have to question your intelligence no matter how rich you are. Aaron Rodgers is rich but he's not Jeff Bezos. How many hundred million dollar athletes do you see go broke 10 years after retirement? Plenty.
You asked 'Why take the risk 1% risk for $30M when he is already rich?' Because the alternative is risking getting Covid and all those lovely side effects. How did that work our for him? Not to mention this guy is the leader of his team as well. There is a responsibility with that and he needs to set the example. Even if he doesn't get the vaccine, he still needs to play by the rules. Instead he thought he was above the rules and now it will cost his team. So his brilliant decision was a fail-fail on both fronts - personally and team-wise.
If I had the opportunity to make $30M that I didn't need, I'd still do it because I could do a massive amount of good with it even if it meant putting myself at a very slight risk. But that's not what these guys are about. They are about me me me and have lost all perspective on exactly how much money $30M is.
I also feel this same way about these NBA players that take 'maintenance days' because they are asked to play 3 hours of basketball per week. World class athletes and 3 hours of basketball per week is too much for them. These athletes have forgotten exactly how privileged they are. They balk at things when 'normal' people would give their right arm to be in their position. I'll play 50 hours of basketball per week for $1M. Sign me up!
And a guy like Aaron Rodgers who travels from city to city, plays in front of 80,000 people every game, and has huge men looking to pile on him every game is at a considerably higher risk for covid than your average person just by the nature of the sport/business he is in. A total failure of logic from a supposed leader IMO.
Couple of things:
1) Rodgers had made over $263,000,000 in salary (his contract) alone. That doesn't include all the money he's made from commercials/endorsement deals.
2) Unlike a lot of athletes, Rodgers seems to have opportunities he can pursue after football. If Jeopardy! was considering him, most likely every broadcast network would want him in an on-air analyst role (if he wanted to pursue it)
3) Most athletes who go broke are the ones who don't make it past their rookie contact. While there are some athletes who have made over $100,000,000 who have gone broke... the majority of them didn't spend their way into poverty, they made horrificly bad investments and/or trusted the wrong people with their money. Rodgers doesn't seem to be in that group (who knows though).
Yea, Rodgers has never struck me as the "donate a shitload of money to charity" type.
He's pretty much always been about himself and his legacy.
I don't know why you'd expect him to act like you, when he's never acted like you. That seems... odd, on your part.
Not to mention this guy is the leader of his team as well. There is a responsibility with that and he needs to set the example. Even if he doesn't get the vaccine, he still needs to play by the rules. Instead he thought he was above the rules and now it will cost his team.
That I agree with.
Even if he didn't agree with the rules, he was hammering the checks and he should have been following the collectively bargained upon rules.
I fear I'm going to come to that same point in my career in the not too distant future. Most likely I'll opt to test myself weekly and send those tests to my corporation. I won't agree with it, but... they are paying me and I need the health insurance (for my wife), so I'll comply with the rules.. even though I think they are stupid.
I feel the same way every time I go to Target and I'm greeted with a "FACE MASKS REQUIRED" sign. I think masks are stupid, but it's state law here and they are trying not to get fined. I begrudgingly comply.
People... and this includes NBA players... typically test limits and attempt to do as little as possible to obtain as much as possible.
I don't know why anyone would be surprised about this. I work for a corporation where there are a lot of people who make $50,000-60,000 a year and do 1-2 hours of work a day while expecting/accepting payment for the 8 hours a day they are on the clock. Is that really any different from NBA players and their maintenance days?
My point is, I'm sure there are a lot of workers at Chipotle and Burger King who are making $24,000-38,000 a year who would sign up for 50 hours a week of sitting in a cubicle clicking on buttons in a process queue for $60,000 a year.
Can you name one athlete who has had serious complications from COVID though?
Eduardo Rodriguez from the Boston Red Sox took 2020 off due to myocarditis, but he came back and pitched this year perfectly fine.
The only other case of an athlete who had health complications that I know of, is the one where the player was vaccinated and collapsed on the field (happened in a soccer match recently) due to some previously diagnosed heart condition.