Skyhook Db Br 187 First Picture?
Discussion in 'PC Discussion' started by jolojonasgames, Oct 5, 2021.
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So, in the TSW community discord the picture below was shared. It's a bit grainy, but is apparently the first shot of Skyhook's upcoming DB BR 187 for Schnellfahrstrecke Köln - Aachen.
A picture of the real deal, from a similar angle, to help you guys compare .
Please share your thoughts on it below, but note that I haven't been able to find an official source for it anywhere, it is unknown to me whetere this is authentic.
I do personally think it feels like it's a little tall (just like on the loco on cane creek, there seems to be a lot of distance between the bogies and the loco), but that might also be the angle. Outside of that the loco looks pretty good to me .
jolojonasgames, Oct 5, 2021
A bit of a missed opportunity for it to be DB red again. Could've gone with some private company and add a bit of variety (of course depending on licensing). Also, the DB version probably won't have the Last-Mile engine. Otherwise seems fine. Will definitely need more pictures to be able to judge more.
Monder, Oct 5, 2021
BjornGroen02NL Well-Known Member
If this would be the final product, it looks okay given how grainy the image is. Whether it's too tall or ot remains to be seen, It does look like it's a little too tall though it could be the angle of the picture. One thing to point out is the visual appearance of the wheels though - it looks like they are donuts without anything in it. Might be me, but it looks like they only have a sort of brownish outline without anything in it.
I don't mind this loco having the standard DB livery, though having another private company in game would spice up the current color palette on the German routes a bit. Let's at least hope it brings some new services and substitutes nicely on other routes
BjornGroen02NL, Oct 5, 2021
BjornGroen02NL said: ↑
I don't know about the wheels. They definetely have a bright outline, but the blackness inside could just be an unfortunate shadow. We will have to see more pictures if we want to judge it properly I think.
RobSkip Well-Known Member
Hard to tell from that image, but if they get it wrong there's zero excuse. The drawings are freely available online.
RobSkip, Oct 5, 2021
Does the db br 187 run passenger services?
tallboy7648, Oct 6, 2021
No, but it does have a sister loco which does, the BR 147.
CK95, Oct 6, 2021
Is it just me or are all locos pretty generic these days, American freight locos, almost all German locos and all British emus. Ah, for the good old days when trains had their own individual looks and personalities.
Crosstie, Oct 6, 2021
Depends on your prospective, the ACS 64 is obviously very different to the AC4400, the 187 for example is quite different to the 101, and a 323 is quite different to an electrostar.
There are a lot of trains out there now that you could say are very similar, but then you could say that about any time period really, what's new and modern at the time is usually what everyone is going for, Germany did it with a lot of their locos, the US did, and the UK did with various trains too.
It's easy to take say a class 37 and class 31 and say look how different these are, but then you can do exactly the same now with a class 68 and a class 70.
Hiro Protagonist Active Member
I think it's more a case that there are "families" now moreso than the old days - many small slight differences between variants but the same overall styling. Locos/trains are being designed as more modular/customisable to cut down on development costs, so new customers can essentially pick from a catalogue which options/versions they need
ie "all British EMUs" sounds like it is aimed at the Electrostars, but whilst it is a very large family and all the members look very similar to each other, they are still quite obviously different to Networkers or Desiros.
Hiro Protagonist, Oct 6, 2021
Not really to do with the screenshot, but I like the ribs on the 187. It adds some character and depth. Anyone know if they have a purpose?
JellyScrub, Oct 6, 2021
JellyScrub said: ↑
Make it cheaper to build.
You know, I was thinking that livery designer on this would be great with all the private operators that use the 187 .
RailPool will be my first.
I'm sure many repaints of that loco will be available to download in the weeks following the release. But I don't want to promise anything. I just already have some ideas..
matinakbary, Oct 6, 2021
I am interested in overall quality and functionality (working systems). I'm curious to see how much Skyhook has done.
The picture is nice.
breblimator, Oct 6, 2021
agreed, I was just looking at this thinking I've got one, maybe 3 that look similar to that
chieflongshin, Oct 6, 2021
breblimator said: ↑
I'm curious to see how much Skyhook has done.
Their TS DLCS were pretty decent, so let's hope for some good stuff. It's their very first loco DLC for TSW, isn't it?
I think they had their part in some other TSW trains (info on their website)
Ribbed construction is usually sturdier. Many locos have them inside though. Here the whole side should allow for easy ads being places on the locos as you can take panels and simply slide them inside the rails on the side.
mclitke Well-Known Member
But in all respect, I feel like this is more of an "old days were better" comment, where memories are a bit deceiving. For example, we have 3 versions of the class 37 in the game, all of them with different class names and there were lots more that used the same design. Probably people would say that these might look alike, but are pretty much completely different vehicles. And the same happens essentially right now with the British EMUs.
And personally, I find it easier based on looks to differentiate a german class 101,146, 143 and 187 from each other than a class 37, class 45 and class 40, which are locos from the good old diesel times.
mclitke, Oct 6, 2021
Agreed. Cane Creek's scenery was stunning, the locos unfortunately less so. I sincerely hope Skyhook has learned from that and that the 187 will turn out well.
Lamplight, Oct 6, 2021
stijn.claessens Active Member
mclitke said: ↑
I think there is also less variety (in looks) because national trainbuilders have all been upsurped into big corporations. Belgian trains were different from Dutch, French, ...
stijn.claessens, Oct 6, 2021
Had it been Last Mile Diesel Engine then you can use this at Stolberg Düren Aachen Rothe Erde sidings that are un electrified. Wagon behind is Ruhr-Sieg Nord Roos-t 645
driverwoods#1787, Oct 6, 2021
rat7_mobile Active Member
From what I can see, it is the same locomotive as what we have in all the German train set, so far we have it in either red or black, and all they changed is the number at the front, It sometime say 101, 146, 185, and now 187
A new locomotive would be nice
rat7_mobile, Oct 6, 2021
Same really with the US: the "old days" were dominated by EMD E and F units, all very similar, and the minority of carbody diesels from Alco and Baldwin weren't all that different (certainly to laymen they all looked the same). And in Germany the Bundesbahn's electric traction was almost always the Standard Electric Locomotives, Einheitselektroloks (110/112/139/140/141/150), which were every bit as much a common-component family as the TRAXX family is.
solicitr, Oct 6, 2021
More screenshots were released today along with an October 14th release date for those that missed it:
Cameron's Gaming, Oct 6, 2021
Cameron's Gaming said: ↑
She is a beauty, can't wait to get my hands on this, I can see it quickly becoming my most used loco.
Factor41 Well-Known Member
I don't understand why it's got a frosted, matt finish, like the 425 on HRR, when all the photos of them IRL are bright, glossy red. Does the traffic red paint fade to a dull, flat pink like a 90s Fiat if they leave them out in the sun for a few days?
Factor41, Oct 6, 2021
Swisstrains Well-Known Member
Awesome look!
In my opinion one of the best looking freight locos currently to be seen in Germany. The only thing I don't like is that we won't get new freight wagons. The ones on the screenshots are the wagons from RSN; would have lived to see some open freight wagons like the Ea(n)os… But maybe some other day, 14th October is very nice btw.
What I would like to know is: Will it substitute to other routes? Or will we only be able to drive this one on SKA at the moment?
Swisstrains, Oct 6, 2021
Factor41 said: ↑
It might just be bloom?
Swisstrains said: ↑
From JD:
edit: 20 new services for SKA, 34 existing services will be playable, for a total of 54.
There will be 54 new services on Köln-Aachen
In terms of substitution, there will be substitution available on these routes:
Riesa-Dresden: 112 playable services
Hamburg-Lübeck: 25 playable services
München-Augsburg: 27 playable services
Hauptstrecke Rhein-Ruhr: 20 playable services
Rhein-Ruhr Osten: 13 playable services
Main Spessart Bahn: 193 playable services
Ruhr Sieg Nord: 57 playable services
I hope so. If it looks anything like the finish of the 425 when they show it on the stream, it's a hard no from me.
CK95 said: ↑
lovely! One question for JD: It substitutes on HMA, I guess only for PC?
Yes, and next gen consoles (PS5, Series S and Series X)
Since it's a substitution for freight it can only do so with the freight layer active so yeah, PS5/XSX/S & PC only for that one.
This is interesting, since it means it will be the first loco to substitute on the MDB banking services. All other freight loco's apart from the 185.2 only have 79 freight services on MSB and can't sub on the banking services. Double checked all the other routes, but there are no new services on any of those.
One thing I'd love to see is some light shunting on SKA. There are lots of currently unused yards which have huge potential, it'd be great to see the 187 take advantage of this.
redrev1917 Well-Known Member
Really looking forward to this and the extra services/substitutions which come with it. As long as it's fully rail driver ready, has AFB, PZB LZB and sifa and looks the part I'll be a happy man.
redrev1917, Oct 6, 2021
It'll look similar, if not identical, to those screenshots, because you can't turn off bloom without modding files.
No mods for me on PS5. That saves me a tenner anyway!
That substitution does sound good to me and will definetely be one of my biggest reasons to buy it. You're getting more bang for your buck, as you can play it in different areas with different challenges (keeping to time on SKA, steep gradients on MSB, low speeds on RSN, etc.), and it also adds variety to the AI trains you see on more routes now.
One additional question, will the services it adds to SKA be playable with different locos aswell?
I'm also curious to find out about the look of the cab and the presence of systems like LZB (and the correct functioning of it PZB).
I assume we'll see a preview stream soon and I'm looking forward to it .
No word on the services for SKA, but I don't see why they wouldn't have substitution enabled.
As for LZB/AFB & SIFA again I don't see why they all of a sudden wouldn't implement it these, and good luck to them if they haven't.
In Cab shots I want to see too, we have a good handful of screenshots there and non are of the cab which is abit of a shame, hopefully we can see this loco in action before release as I'm most anxious about sounds.
I'm only slightly concerned about LZB, as up until a few months ago DTG didn't include it in their rolling stock that did below 160 km/h, and this is a private studio so maybe they haven't. I do assume they will have though.
Also wondering about sound, guess we'll have to wait until a preview stream or until after release.
Ben132465798 Active Member
And I hope, that LZB will work in cab since I do drive without hud and know a few who do too
Ben132465798, Oct 6, 2021
Ben132465798 said: ↑
That's a good point actually, I'll change my stance to likely no LZB.
Lunar_Twisted Well-Known Member
I am definitely getting this DLC loco.
Lunar_Twisted, Oct 6, 2021
I highly doubt that they won't include LZB. The tech is there. When even BR 146.2 and 185.5 (?) has is, why shouldn't this one? I'm pretty confident about SHG. Again: they've done a great job in TS, great content for TSW as 2nd and 3rd party. So this one will probably be a save bet
Substitution = no new runs
What is the point then to substitution, once you have done the run with the real locomotive, the run is mark as done for the substitution, it make no sense to have the substitution locomotive
rat7_mobile said: ↑
20 new runs.
But I'll let you in on a secret here, we like trains, so we buy them for that.