Rachel May Johnson (which I've since discovered is Rachel May Johnston) - this is how I found this forum. A post at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,503076.20.html mentions the Johnston family from Ouyen and May (Rachel May).
Online records list a Wilfred Eric Harper who died in 1921 in Mildura aged 52. That's the first problem - 6 years difference in the age provided by my uncle vs. the online record - and it's a very important point as I'll explain shortly. I do know that my grandfather (Robert John Harper) and several of his siblings were born in Ouyen.
It says in the 'misc details' that his given names were 'Wilfred Ernest'.
1. He (Wilfred Ernest) enlisted from the Murray Bridge area which is just south of Mannum where my great grandfather was born. One conflicting issue is that my grandfather was born in Ouyen in 1913 so I'm not sure why Wilfred would be back in S.A. in 1915.
2. He enlisted at age 46 and was only away for 7 months from Sep 1915 to April 1916. That works if he actually died at age 52 rather than at age 46 and fits in with the birth dates of my grandfather and his siblings.
I'm not sure where Mabel Harper fits in but she does show as sharing the same address as Rachel May Harper in Ballarat according to electoral records. Charles, Leslie and Alan were definitely brothers and there's no suggestion of a Jack Thompson-esque arrangement in their household .
On return to Australia from the war great grandfather Harper was allocated a Soldier Settler block in Red Cliffs.
He died of stomach cancer on 04.12.1921, aged 46 years (some 13 years before I was born).
This left Grandmother Harper in all sorts of difficulties and unable to care for her children ( 8 ) and maintain the block at the same she had no choice but to put it up for sale..
She moved to Ballarat where she obtained a position as a cook at the Ballarat Orphanage (Victoria Street, Ballarat East) with accommodation made available at that institution for the children.
Later on in life she also worked for a time as a cook for the then Premier of Victoria, Sir Henry Bolte, and his shearers, on his property at Meredith.
She never remarried following the death of her husband, Will.
That raises the question of where Wilfred Eric Harper died. The only listing I could find for a Wilfred Eric Harper that died in 1921 is the one at Mildura.
I noticed that in previous posts, the BMD CD's have been mentioned. Do they have additional or more accurate info and is it worth purchasing them to try and figure out the answer to this mystery?
The Wilfred Eric HARPER that died 1921 in Mildura has these names as his parents are they correct?
I can't find a birth for a Wilfred Eric HARPER in SA in 1875.
There is a digitised WW1 service record that you need to read which will give you more information.
I wonder if there has been some name changes..
Thanks for the pointers - I'll check them out.
Yes, I became quite confused regarding Norah and Honorah (another spelling on some records). There's also a transcription from the grave of Samuel and Hanora.
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Gee you made the first one a good post, lots of info.
Have you purchased the Victorian death record? If not do so the Victorian records are second to none they will show any marriages and living or dead spuses same for children, well worth the money.
Thats the first step. Dont rely on DC for ages, it is or could be someone who may have not known the correct age. It very much depends on the closeness of the informant.
Once you have that a lot of your questions may be answered.
Also marriage cert for last of wives if more than one. It again will have direct from the horses mouth about ages and names.
RED FLAG.....You need to find the correct birth first by the looks of things.
Yep - that's the record my uncle mentioned. It's in the right place, with possibly the right wife but we're not sure he belongs to our family due to other sketchy info.
Death certificates are so often inaccurate. I would not base my research from information on death certs...need to look further.
Cross Reference See also: HARTSHORN Alan Vincent - same details.
Are you confusing the generations?
The informant was my great uncles wife and I believe Johnstone is an incorrect spelling of Johnston.
Armed with the confirmation that his father's name really was Wilfred Eric I then purchased the image for Wilfred Eric Harper. It confirmed that he had been from Red Cliffs (i.e. the soldier settler land), had died from 'Gastric Carcinoma'. It also lists his age as 52 (not 46 as we had believed) and lists my grandfather and all of his siblings and a Johnston as the wife. It's a hand written record of 'Deaths in the district of Mildura' and the wife's name looks kind of like 'Mab' which explains why that showed up in some of the online records at ancestry.
It's certainly confirmed that the Wilfred who is buried at Mildura cemetery is ours.
As my uncle mentioned, when Wilfred died, my great grandmother was left with eight children to care for. Their ages are also listed at the time he died. They were 9, 8, 7, 5, 4, 2 and twin girls who were under 2 years of age. It must have been such a tough time for her. They had married when he was 40, so had only been married for 12 years.
It does seem that Wilfred travelled around the eastern states a bit as the record says he was married in Tasmania (that may help in tracing my great grandmother's side of the family) and I know that one of his children was born in Wentworth, NSW.
The informant for Wilfred's death was 'Sydney Clarence Austin - Authorised Agent'.
Thanks again for that tip. I had been to the Vic BDM site but it hadn't even crossed my mind to purchase images.