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Feedback and beta-testing from non-Wikipedia projects
by Luiz Augusto
(sorry for my English and for the crossposting) I known that the FlaggedRevs extension is under a review stage and their development is devoted basically to the needs from the most known Wikimedia project. This is ok to me, no worries on it. But since more Wikimedia projects have users watching the development of this feature, I think that only two future official wikis for the public beta testing is insufficient. Wikisource, for example, have LabeledSectionTransclusion and ProofreadPage enabled on all of yours wikis. These extensions may have issues to work appropriately with FlaggedRevs. Enabling these two extensions at the same wiki devoted to the English Wikipedia beta-testing may generate some troubles with the en.wp users that don't known how and why Wikisource have these extensions, to exemplify with only one of the possible reactions. Not enabling these two extensions + FlaggedRevs at someplace may create false hopes. And I think that knowing that issues and waiting for someone with the required skills to fix them when get time to work on it is more proper instead of a community (a Wikisource wiki) gaining consensus to request FlaggedRevs getting enabled and finding that a new nice feature brokes another one. [[:m:User:555]]
Fwd: [Foundation-l] Implications of IMSLP case
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Klaus Graf <klausgraf(a)googlemail.com> Date: Oct 21, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Implications of IMSLP case To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Franz Liszt writes in his Myspace weblog: "A great blow has been dealt against the world of music and of our common cultural heritage. The International Music Score Library Project (IMSLP) was a wonderful site for sharing public domain music scores. They had an encyclopaedic collection of scores which anyone could download as a .pdf file. The site was entirely free and run by people dedicated to the art of music. Unfortunately the music publishers Universal Edition has threatened the site's creator with legal action if he does not "cease and desist" the site's activities. This has now happened. UE's threats appear to be based on rather spurious copyright grounds. The intention is not to protect artists' rights, but to stop people from accessing public domain materials. Most artists have struggled terribly in life and die broke and young. Having ignored the artists during their lifetimes, publishers are then able to exploit their genius posthumously. Take poor old Franz Schubert, for instance. UE's legal threat is a direct attack on our common musical heritage as well as on culture in general. I believe that these public domain works should be freely available to the public. For the most part, IMSLP made available sores by all the greats (including my humble self), most of whom have been long dead and are out of copyright. There is a current trend for all our common cultural heritage to be "privatized" and exploited by private corporations for the sole purpose of making money. The idea that the works of Shakespeare, Beethoven and Leonardo da Vinci (et al) should "belong" to anyone except the people of this planet (and beyond) is outrageous. Sadly, this trend is not restricted only to great works of art. Ancient buildings, national parks, libraries, museums, images of works art, and many aspects of our cultural heritage are all being devoured by private corporations in order to fuel the interests of a small minority of greedy individuals. Be that as it may, I do urge you to go to the IMSLP forum, register. learn the facts and offer support (if only by adding your voice). This is important because this is about freedom, our common cutural heritage - and about music! [...] The address is http://imslpforums.org " Source: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=113684180&b… The cease and desist letter mentions EU-protected composers but also composers like Gustav Mahler who is dead since 1911. There are two questions: First: Can WMF help to re-activate IMSLP by hosting e.g. Wikiscore (or so)? It is already possible to uload PD scores on Wikimedia Commons. See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sheet_music Second: Are there implications for WMF copyright policies? The CaD-letter mentions the fact that "that under Canadian law a judgement rendered in Europe is enforceable in Canada". If a Canadian user uploads works on Commons from an US server like Internet Archive (pre-1923-rule) which are PD in Canada (50 y pma) then this is allowed by the (inappropriate) rule of Commons. I have to quote the rule: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#Interaction_of_United_S… "If material that has been saved from a third-party website is uploaded to Commons, the copyright laws of the US, the country of residence of the uploader, and the country of location of the webservers of the website apply." It clearly lacks the COUNTRY OF ORIGIN in this (inappropriate) rule. If this country is a EU country the 70 year pma rule is in effect. Take a Bela Bartok score published before 1923 (or 1909). Bartok died in 1945, his works are protected in all EU countries until December 31, 2015. The score is PD in the US and Canada but the Canadian uploader can be sued by a Canadian lawyer because the work is not free in Europe. WMF cannot be sued for an US court in this case because the work is PD in the US. But should'nt we protect the uploader when he is uploading according our rules? Klaus Graf _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Gallica 2
by Pierre Beaudouin
Vous pouvez tester la nouvelle version de Gallica http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ -- Pierre
Feedback and beta-testing from non-Wikipedia	projects
by Dovi Jacobs
Regarding the discussion of the Flagged Reviews extension, in my opinion it will be of huge benefit to Wikisource. Both blatant vandalism and more insidious damage to texts will largely irrelevant for any text that has a stable version, even *before* those edits are reviewed. There will no longer be a strong need to protect texts or sections of texts. This extension is a tool to make the efforts of expert editors more worthwhile (by letting them waste less of their time and efforts dealing with vandalism and ill-considered edits). It does not replace human expertise, but rather uses it more efficiently. As to whether it will interfere with other extensions that are live at Wikisource wikis, there has been no evidence that this is so, though of course it would be prudent to test things first. I have put a query in what seems to be the most appropriate place for a question of this sort, namely here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:FlaggedRevs#Compatibility_with… Dovi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Copyright issues and how we handle them
by Yann Forget
Hello, It seems there was some problem with the Rissian text. I copied that again from the discussion http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Emergency_evacuation I hope I did it right. Regards, Yann Birgitte SB a écrit : > The lack of copyright advice forcing us to rely on > ourselves (namely amateurs) being a problem is old > news. But this is situation where I believe amateur > copyright enforcer has gone too far. > > Contributors never like to hear that they misjudged > copyright and must remove their work. However we must > try to handle such issues with tact. At the extreme > end of this problem, I believe someone from the > foundation must intervene with those who claim false > authority. Such as an editor who believes he knows > better than others on copyright issues and implies he > has the approval of the Jimbo and the ability to see > that the foundation shuts down a project if the > contributors do not submit to his opinion. This is an > extreme case where action is needed. > > Background: The most distressing part of a Russian > copyright dispute regards rehabilitated prisoners, > including the men and women who died in Soviet Gulags. > A new Russian law, which becomes active Jan 1, 2008, > will apparently restore IP rights on their works for > 70 years + the date of their most recent postmortem > rehabilitation. As many of these authors, such Osip > Mandelstam have no heirs (the gulag authorities seems > to have failed to have prisoners create wills before > seeing to their early deaths) so everything will be > inherited by the Union of Russian Writers and the > Russian State which killed him in a concentration camp > in 1938. This is obviously distressing to ex-pat > contributors. They would like further opinions but are > instead threatened that further delay in deleting > these works will lead to the project being shut down. > > Alex Spade[1]: This information and other copyright > info comes from Alex Spade who delivers such > information as if he has authority on copyright > interpretations. He leads the contributors at ru.WS to > believe he is in communication with the WMF about this > matter and his rulings have WMF approval. Whether he > meant to foster such a belief or simply neglected to > correct it, I cannot say. From my time spent with > babelfish and the community discussion page of ru.WS > [2] I find the following examples to a fair > representation of his tone. He did give a breakdown > of why he believes the copyright issue exists, but was > not open to discussion or requests for further > opinions. Is it truly such an air-tight case? I am > not sure. However with restorations that apparently > go into effect *next* year, but are not valid now, I > would be looking for other opinions as well. Even if > his opinion tuns out to be correct, it cannot excuse > the way he is handling this issue. Translations by > Dmitrismirnov: «Уважаемые участники, и в особенности, администраторы русской Викитеки. Даже без грядущих изменений законодательства об АП в России, вы вообще соблюдать текущее то законодательство собираетесь? Или вы добиваетесь, чтобы фонд по чьей-нибуть заявке (ну, например, моей) закрыл проект, также: как в своё время француский викицитатник? Alex Spade 11:56, 8 сентября 2007 (UTC)» > Translation: "Respected participants and in particular > the administrators of the Russian Wikisourse, > Even without the future changes of the copyright law > in Russia, are you going to keep the current law? Or > you strive that the Wiki-fundation would shut project > by somebody's claim (for example, by mine), like it > was with the French Wiki-Quote sometime ago?" > > And later: Вижу, что всё сложно, и слишком много ограничений, которые разрушают всё лучшее, что есть в Викитеке. Jimbo должен знать о наших проблемах и понять наше недовольство. Надеюсь, Вы ему передадите это Dmitrismirnov 12:46, 17 сентября 2007 (UTC)] > Translation:[Dmitr Simirnov: I see that all this is > complicated, and there are too many limitations, which > destroy all best part of the Wikisourse. Jimbo must > know about our problems and understand our > dissatisfaction. I hope, you will communicate this to > him. Dmitrismirnov 12:46, 17 Он об это и так знает, но лицензию GFDL никто менять не будет - видимо решили жить под не самой удачной лицензией, чем нарваться на необходимость перелицензирования миллионов страниц и изображений, созданных миллионами участников. Alex Spade 19:41, 17 сентября 2007 (UTC) > Translation: [Alex Spade: He knows about this > definitely. But nobody will change the license GFDL – > so they probably decided to live with not the most > successful license, which is better than to change of > millions of pages and images, created by million > participants. Alex Spade 19:41, 17 > &#1089;&#1077;&#1085;&#1090;&#1103;&#1073;&#1088;&#1103; > 2007 (UTC)] > > > Such heavy-handiness and false authority shown here > are damage to the reputation of WMF. Dmitrismirnov > [3] is not only a notable composer and therefore has > real-world appreciation of IP rights, but he also is a > valued Wikimedian as a literary translator. He is > truly creating free works we would not otherwise have > in the world by releasing his translations under the > GFDL. We all create free work in some way, but I have > a special appreciation for those who participate in > the more skilled endeavors. And it especially offends > me to see what I feel to be deception used to close > this discussion possibly driving away a contributor I > value. > > Birgitte SB > > [1]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alex_Spade > [2]http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%… > [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Nikolayevich_Smirnov_%28composer%29 -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.wikipedia.org/ | Encyclopédie libre http://fr.wikisource.org/ | Bibliothèque libre http://wikilivres.info | Documents libres
PDF generation on the toolserver
Hello, That might be particularly interesting for Wikisource. Yann From: Magnus Manske Date: 13 Oct 2007 09:16 Subject: [Wikipedia-l] PDF generation on the toolserver On a note by [[User:Korrigan]], I have adapted (rather, rewritten) the PDF Export extension for the toolserver. You can now get a single or multiple Wiki(m|p)edia pages as a PDF, by entering/linking to an URL. As the extension, I am using HTMLDOC, so the output is as good (or as bad) as that package. Don't blame me. I shall demonstrate using our new meme overlord, [[Horse-ripping]], and the related article [[Zoosadism]] from en.wikipedia: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/pdf.php?title=Horse-ripping|Zoosadism Additional parameters (add them to the URL): &language=XX (XX being the language code; en is default) &project=wikibooks (default:wikipedia) &nogfdl (3 pages of GFDL are appended by default; add this parameter to prevent that) I haven't figured out how to make HTMLDOC generate a TOC. Maybe tomorrow. Cheers, Magnus -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.wikipedia.org/ | Encyclopédie libre http://fr.wikisource.org/ | Bibliothèque libre http://wikilivres.info | Documents libres
Bengali wikisource has reached 100 pages
by Belayet Hossain
Dear all, Within 1 week of site creation Bengali wikisource has reached 100 pages on October 2nd, 2007. The 100th pages is http:bn.wikisource.org/wiki/বর্ষশেষ<http://bn.wikisource.org/wiki/%25E0%25A6%25AC%25E0%25A6%25B0%25E0%25A7%258D…> Regards -- Belayet Hossain
by Marc Galli
Bonjour, J'ai fait ce que j'ai pu avec les informations que j'ai trouvées (c'est-à-dire presque rien). C'est du bricolage, et je ne connais pas grand chose à Linux. Sous Windows, je n'ai pas trouvé de procédure pratique, mais ça marche. Si quelqu'un veut rédiger une page d'aide complète, qu'il n'hésite pas à nous faire partager ses connaissances... Marc Hello, Rama Rama a écrit : >/ I have more or less translated the page. />/ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Creating_a_DjVu_file />/ />/ I am surprised that this page is focused on MS-Windows and proprietary />/ software. It addresses trivial questions of opening and saving file in />/ different format to convert them in a very typical Microsoft way : />/ />/ "Tiff files from Gallica can be opened in FineReader (even after the />/ evaluation period is over). By exporting the pages into tiff (same />/ format), it is possible to crop the margins with XnView." />/ />/ We might want to write something more rational. / This page was written mostly by Marc for Windows users. Actually I am still a beginner on creating DJVU files on Linux and/or with free software. Of course, that information needs to be added. Regards, Yann
Re: [Wikisource-l] [Commons-l] DJVU
Hello, Rama Rama a écrit : > I have more or less translated the page. > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Creating_a_DjVu_file > > I am surprised that this page is focused on MS-Windows and proprietary > software. It addresses trivial questions of opening and saving file in > different format to convert them in a very typical Microsoft way : > > "Tiff files from Gallica can be opened in FineReader (even after the > evaluation period is over). By exporting the pages into tiff (same > format), it is possible to crop the margins with XnView." > > We might want to write something more rational. This page was written mostly by Marc for Windows users. Actually I am still a beginner on creating DJVU files on Linux and/or with free software. Of course, that information needs to be added. Regards, Yann -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.wikipedia.org/ | Encyclopédie libre http://fr.wikisource.org/ | Bibliothèque libre http://wikilivres.info | Documents libres