  Let $\mathcal{I}$ be a meager ideal on $\mathbf{N}$. We show that if $x$ is a
sequence with values in a separable metric space then the set of subsequences
[resp. permutations] of $x$ which preserve the set of $\mathcal{I}$-cluster
points of $x$ is topologically large if and only if every ordinary limit point
of $x$ is also an $\mathcal{I}$-cluster point of $x$. The analogue statement
fails for all maximal ideals. This extends the main results in [Topology Appl.
\textbf{263} (2019), 221--229]. As an application, if $x$ is a sequence with
values in a first countable compact space which is $\mathcal{I}$-convergent to
$\ell$, then the set of subsequences [resp. permutations] which are
$\mathcal{I}$-convergent to $\ell$ is topologically large if and only if $x$ is
convergent to $\ell$ in the ordinary sense. Analogous results hold for
$\mathcal{I}$-limit points, provided $\mathcal{I}$ is an analytic P-ideal.
