  We discuss two experiments ICANOE and OPERA that have been proposed within
the context of long-baseline and atmospheric neutrino experiments in Europe.
The joint ICANOE/OPERA program aims at further improving our understanding of
the effect seen in atmospheric neutrinos. This program is based on (1) a
continuation of the observation of atmospheric neutrinos with the improved
technique of ICANOE/ICARUS (2) a sensitive numu->nue and numu->nutau appearance
program with the accelerator neutrinos coming from CERN (CNGS) from a distance
of 730 km.
