  We have developed particle detectors based on fused silica (quartz) Cherenkov
radiators read out with micro-channel plate photomultipliers (MCP-PMTs) or
silicon photomultipliers (SiPMs) for high precision timing (Sigma(t) about
10-15 ps). One application is to measure the times of small angle protons from
exclusive reactions, e.g. p + p - p + H + p, at the Large Hadron Collider, LHC.
They may also be used to measure directional particle fluxes close to external
or stored beams. The detectors have small areas (square cm), but need to be
active very close (a few mm) to the intense LHC beam, and so must be radiation
hard and nearly edgeless. We present results of tests of detectors with quartz
bars inclined at the Cherenkov angle, and with bars in the form of an "L" (with
a 90 degree corner). We also describe a possible design for a fast timing
hodoscope with elements of a few square mm.
