  The ASCA and BeppoSAX spectra of the Circinus Galaxy and NGC 1068 are
analysed and compared with photoionization models based on cloudy. In the case
of Circinus, a single, mildly ionized reflector can account for the line
spectrum, while in NGC 1068 at least three different reflectors (with different
ionization states) are needed. We suggest that the reflector in Circinus, and
the low ionized one in NGC1068 are the inner and visible part of the material
responsible for the X-ray absorption. With this assumption, we estimate for the
inner radius of the absorber a value of 0.2 pc for Circinus and of a few
parsecs for NGC 1068.
