Hi, my name is Christopher Anatra.
You may know me as the Quantum Businessman.
I'm very happy and excited to be sitting down
with
Cynthia Sue Larson.  
We are in Ketchum, Idaho, at the West Coast
Mandela Effect Conference 2019.
This is really a very special time,
talking about Mandela Effects,
and all different types of things
that affect our reality
and our consciousness.
So, I have some questions for Cynthia.
First of all, Cynthia,
tell the audience a little bit about yourself.
Oh, yes.  I've got a degree from U.C.
Berkeley in physics,
and I've organized conferences,
Foundations of Mind conferences,
having to do with consciousness
and quantum physics.
And that's my primary area of interest.
I also write books on the subject.
The most recent book was called
Quantum Jumps.
So consciousness, and quantum physics.
OK.
So, this is a topic I want to ask you about.
I don't know how many people you've spoken
about this openly about, but I am really curious
about time travel.
First of all, what would you tell our audience
about time travel in general.
What advice would you give?
Is it possible?
It is possible.
And actually, it is intrinsic to quantum physics
itself
that there is definitely a retrocausal quality
to all of quantum physics.
What that means is,
often in regular layman's terms
we think of cause and effect.
And we tend to think
of an arrow of time,
where the cause must precede
the effect, therefore the cause happens earlier
in time,
but that's a subjective experience.
So if you actually ask any physicist, "What
is time?"
You may think we know what it is.
You may think there is an absolute definition.
But that turns out to not exactly be the case.
And there's even a discrepancy between the
present moment, between physics and psychology,
for example.
So, there's a lot of open territory
ripe for exploration in the fields of consciousness,
quantum physics, and this whole idea of time
and time travel.
But implicitly, we are all time travelers.
Because we are all moving through time.
We don't tend to think of it;
we think that we are the same person we were
just a minute ago.
But is that really true?
And I say it's not really true.
You are absolutely correct!
OK, that's awesome.
So, from my understanding,
the way we experience time,
it's described as "linear time."
How would you describe linear time?
Well, when you look at linear time, then you
have compressed three dimensions into two
dimensions.
One thing we know about space-time is that
you have got to have at least four dimensions.
So we're not looking at lines at all when
we are talking about time.
That would be a simplification, if you will.
However, it is a word that people use, because
it's simple, so it's easy for people to think
of a time line.
However, as I'm saying, that's not really
what's happening.
OK.
Space and time go together; you've heard of
the curvature of space-time, that Albert Einstein
showed.
You might remember some of the imagery, where
gravitational places, like the Earth or the
Sun or something of great mass can create
kind of a depression, if you will, in the
space-time, the curvature of space-time.
So we are aware of this, and we put it into
our three dimensional way of thinking, but
actually it is four dimensions, at least.
Very interesting.
So, from what you said, and from your book
about reality shifting, let me ask you a basic
question about time travel.
Let's say I'm running late for an appointment,
which often happens.
And it's going to take me 45 minutes to get
there, and I know I'm going to be at least
20 minutes late, based upon the way things
are going.
Is there something I could do to help solve
that issue?
Yes.
Yes!
This may be a surprise.
For you in particular, yes.
In general, it's possible.
It's a case-by-case situation, so a lot of
people might say, "I've tried it, and nothing
happened."
OK.
But, that would simply be a matter of alignment
of all of themselves, so this is a matter
of...
Because when we look at ourselves, who are
we?
And if you've got the intention, "I'm running
late," that's great.
But in order to experience the kind of time
shift you are talking about, which is time
travel, the compression of time in a sense
going farther in less time than should be
possible, and this turns out to be something
a lot of people have done and are doing.
And the way to do it is to recognize first
of all, I need to be there in a short amount
of time, but I don't have that much time.
OK, so the need is the first thing--the need
has to be there.
You have to really feel it.
It can't be a fake need like, "They're expecting
me," or "I'm supposed to be there."
That's not real need.
OK.
You may think that doesn't matter, but oh
yes, it does.
This is where anybody who's had mind-matter
interactive retrocausal effects would be someone
who is very focused, who understands the importance
of bringing that feeling of absolute need
together with just this beautiful peaceful
sense of love, and complete focus of intention
on what you're visualizing.
Like I need to be there, I see it, I need
to be on time.
I'm going to show up on time.
And just feeling this love and a sense of
real need, it can't be anything less than
that.
Very interesting.
I'm going to have to practice that.
I know a lot of times I feel that time slips
by.
I'll look at the clock, it'll be one o'clock.
I'll do something, and then it's three o'clock!
I often experience losses of time.
How would you explain what's happening there?
Well, this is a normal human experience, unfortunately!
But it's fun.
What's happening, the good news is you probably
are enjoying what you're doing, so there's
some good news there.
And often we get into a meditative state of
mind, and the more you enjoy what's happening,
then the faster time can seem to go.
Time is very subjective, and even in physics
experiments, we haven't yet found any way
to factor that out, and remove that quality.
We set our clocks based on, to some degree,
subjective time.
What we're experiencing on the surface of
the planet Earth.
OK, that makes sense.
And I've heard people mention where they don't
know how they got to an appointment so quickly.
Or it was a certain time, and they know they
needed more time for something, and they were
able to get that time.
So what you are saying definitely, I've heard
that anecdotally, but it makes sense that
it could be possible.
You just have to have that need and the desire
there.
Absolutely.
And I've gotten dozens of reports that are
published on my website, RealityShifters.com,
over more than the last twenty years of people
that are quite credible to me that have experienced
this very thing.
OK.
So, let me ask you a difficult question.
So, let's say there was something that happened
in our past that we are not happy about, and
we want to be able to figure out a way to
go back and change that or do something different.
What would your advice be for that type of
a situation?
Well, my basic advice is, again, to start
with that sense of internal need, and love,
and focus.
And this is inner work.
There is no way to skip that step.
A lot of people write to me, and they get
the idea that they can change the past.
They want to do it.
They just want to push some magic button,
follow some magic recipe.
Just follow the basic steps.
They ask me, "What are the steps?"
Unfortunately, it's much more of a personal
practice of getting to a state of integrity
within oneself, which is really a spiritual
practice.
Absolutely.
So, I would recommend, it's going to sound
ironic, but accept what seems to be the case.
And even more ironic, find gratitude for what
appears to have already happened.
This is totally a spiritual practice.
That's a good point, to find gratitude.
Oh, yes.
For what's already happened.
Yes.
That's interesting.
Because I think a lot of people might be looking
for the technological answer.
Oh, yes!
Because we are used to having apps on our
phone, and you know, et cetera, so is there
an easy way I can press the button and technology
can send me back in time?
I don't think so.
I think there are technologies that are in
the works.
I'm sure there are.
But I don't know anything about those.
And I wouldn't recommend them, even if there
are, because I think that if we go back, we
haven't addressed the underlying issues.
Then wherever you go, there you are.
And even if you think I'm going to fix it
this time, there's probably a lot more than
just that one thing to work out.
That makes sense.
So that's really good advice, when it comes
to time travel, a spiritual practice is really
where it's at.
It's also the safest way to go, as well.
Can you imagine having technology and then
it fails?
That's not good!
You go to a time where it can't be replaced,
or whatever it is.
Absolutely the spiritual way is definitely
the way to do that.
Yes.
So, on another subject, what do you think
about this whole Mandela Effect conference?
Oh, I love it!
I've been waiting my whole career for this.
This is the best weekend of my life
I'm thrilled that there is so much interest,
so much enthusiasm, so many great speakers,
like yourself, who are bringing forward ideas
that I think are new for so many people, yet
at the same time, relevant.
Because this is truly a global phenomenon,
where people are noticing that the facts,
the histories, are not matching what they
remember.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I could tell just from talking with people
that were here that they are hungry for answers.
They can acknowledge that the Mandela Effect
is happening right in front of them.
It's not slowing down.
And it's not just the big things, it's the
small personal little Mandela Effects, too,
that make people think, hmm, what's going
on?
So it's all tied into us, how would you describe,
what do you think the purpose is of the Mandela
Effect?
I think, well I think you hit it on the head
in your talk, when you talked about a great
awakening, that we really are waking up to
the fact that we've been asleep.
But when you recognize that it is possible
to dream when you are asleep, that's the key.
Then you can become lucid.
You can become sentient.
You can become aware.
And that's, I think, what is happening with
these conversations, the great talks that
are happening, the invitation to ask questions.
Because when you ask those questions, you
do get answers.
And to share what each of us are experiencing
on our personal journeys has been an absolutely
fantastic, wonderful experience!
It has, it really has been a great experience.
And I want to thank you for helping to organize
this, and I'm looking forward to more Mandela
Effect conferences!
And anyone in the audience, if you are watching
this, and then if you are also going to be
watching any of the presentations, know that
it's not going to end here!
There are going to be other Mandela Effect
conferences happening across the country,
and probably across the world, as well, because
it's a world-wide phenomena.
One more thing, if people are making fun of
it, because a lot of people that are starting
to experience this, it's hard to talk to your
friends and family.
And there's a tendency sometimes that people
say, well, I know that's not true, because
I'm an expert in this field, and we've been
talking about why sometimes the experts are
not going to necessarily see the same changes
that we do.
And there's an explanation in physics for
that, as well.
Right.
I just want to say something funny.
I thought it was interesting at one of the
panel discussions, Shane was talking about,
I think it was his brother that was experiencing
Mandela Effects, but he was figuring out a
way to make money at it when he would go to
bars.
Like to ask someone, do beavers have orange
teeth?
Like I'll bet you fifty dollars that beavers
have orange teeth.
People will be like, no, and you can show
them.
So some people are using Mandela Effects to
that kind of advantage, which is not recommended!
Cynthia, I want to say thank you very much
for this little sit-down talk, and I'm looking
forward to many more!
Likewise!
Thank you.
Thank you so much
