Josh and I immediately started on a rebuttal parody, one that is also in a “smoke filled back room”, but the smoke isn’t tobacco smoke. We think our parody is also better researched than Mr. Brodner’s who seems to have only popular memes without references, and also failed to note that none of the people in that parody of his smoke cigarettes. Though, I do drink coffee.

Off topic question: can someone point me to an illustration of the role of water vapor in the IPCC’s models? I glanced at a graph, and didn’t understand where all the increased water vapor was going to come from.

In Brodner’s parody, which seems to have it’s roots in Stalinist cartoon art of the 1940’s, there is a farcical attempt at a sublimal message tying in scepticism with tobacco use. Lewandowsky must have been consulted on the psychology of that. Any statistical information I’ve seen shows that Big Carbon subsidises Alarmist, “research” to a far greater extent than scepticism, but the lies about sceptic funding just keep coming. I’ll hit Josh’s tip box next, but can we have a full-size poster from Josh, please?

When you look at and size up the Alarmist mad-hatters, it has to be said their main protagonists, wouldn’t discomfort much or anybody. In fact, it is a wonder that this bunch of chinless dorks managed to propel the scam [MM CO2 emissions=runaway warming] as far as it got.

Indeed, it lends gravity to the received idea that and in the wrong hands – sow a seed and with a massive propaganda assault……can be powerful ‘medication’ for the masses – and that the herd mentality is still a default set deep in the human psyche.

I think the motto – title for “Al and the boys” should simply read: “those damned liars”.

New York Times – 1996AL GORE
“Throughout most of my life, I’ve raised tobacco,”……..”I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I’ve hoed it. I’ve chopped it. I’ve shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it.”

A few day back I left comments on his page and they were still under moderation until yesterday evening. As plazaeme has noted he has eliminated the page from that specific url. He must have got a lot of blowback. I sent him a tonne of quotes from climate scientists saying there was a temp standstill, contrary to his assertion. I also sent him Al Gore’s tobacco involvement.

…Climate Change is settled science. It is all over the world, in your face every day. My job is to keep making pictures to keep this on the table. Very soon, as they become more and more isolated deniers will flip and say that they have been for climate control measures all along. Just tell the truth. Tell it. Every. Day….

One thing I noticed with Brodner’s work was the fact that he has twelve portrayals of skeptics, which could be simply a coincidence, but I suspect it is a biblical reference. Given the quasi-religious nature of the Climatist cabal, perhaps that was a bit of psychological projection on his part.

Far too kind to Lewandowsky, he looks a lot more like a slimeball on the video I saw than in the caricature. Just sayin’. There’s no reason to judge from appearances, he may be a really nice, decent guy in real life…. or maybe not, like I said, can’t judge from appearances.

Better to judge people by their actions, errr … well, doesn’t get any better does it?

Anthony,you seem to have a burr under your saddle about smoking. Smoking is a reference to Mad Men (P.S. It’s not “MAD MEN”). It is, after all, a parody and reference to that TV series where nearly everyone smokes and drinks.

Something of an American-centric view of climate change in both Josh’s AND the original cartoon.

Britain has been the world leader in climate change madness since the 1980’s, is actually signed up to Kyoto (which America isn’t) and has its own legally binding Climate change act-which America doesn’t.

Our mad heroes need to be celebrated as well;

Phil Jones. Julia Slingo. George Monbiot/The Guardian. The entire British parliament who voted with 6 abstentions to the climate change act, with special reference to David (husky) Cameron and Tim Yeo.

Brodner and Cook, cartoonists for the alarmist brigade. Josh and Fenbeagle cartoonists for the realists. That is just as unfair as pitting piltdown Mann against McIntyre. You have to feel really sorry for them when this is all the damp powder that is left in their pistols. (Or do you?)

The red text block refers to |This cartoon parodies the article in “This American Life” ….| That’s wrong. This American Life is a National Public Radio program with Ira Glass (to be precise, NPR doesn’t produce it, “This American Life is produced by WBEZ Chicago and distributed by Public Radio International.”), and referenced by Brodner for a show titled “495: Hot In My Backyard” at http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/495/hot-in-my-backyard

Brodner’s cartoon was done in hopes of getting it published at THE AMERICAN PROSPECT. The cartoon exists at Brodner’s blog and various skeptical site who ar having fun with it, I don’t see it at http://prospect.org/ yet.

“Indeed, it lends gravity to the received idea that and in the wrong hands – sow a seed and with a massive propaganda assault……can be powerful ‘medication’ for the masses – and that the herd mentality is still a default set deep in the human psyche.”

I think this is a bit strong, certainly in America. Polls show that the majority are not buying carbon alarmism despite the trillions spent on the extravaganza, the 97% of the MSM on board with the end-of-the-world cult, 100% of the universities and public schools and 97% of the journals and institutions vilifying The Building Block of Life. I’m in awe of the resilience of this “I’m from Missouri” folk. For our global readers:

“I glanced at a graph, and didn’t understand where all the increased water vapor was going to come from”. From the ocean I believe …..
(heh-heh)

“Is it just me, or did Josh make Trenberth look a bit like Watts?”

This is actually the root of the entire climate debate. They are paternal twins separated at age 5 in a nasty divorce case. Kevin has always blamed the weather. They have been arguing ever since. Soon to be a Lifetime movie.

For some reason my comment wasn’t deleted, even though I stated Bastardi was a good forecaster, but Hansen wasn’t. It is likely because I ended with some noncommittal sugar:

“I expect you’ll get a lot of hits on your site now. Congratulations on stirring things up.”

After ten years of getting the mud slung at them, I think Skeptics have every right to sling some back. It is good fun, and likely healthy, as long as it doesn’t go over the top and get vicious (and involve videos of blowing people up, as Alarmist “humor” has done.)

However after a while mud-slinging gets old, and once steam has been blown off it is likely better to smooth the ruffled feathers and get back to the Truth. Get back to the scientific facts, the actual history of past weather events that were worse, and the mistakes in their arithmetic. Not only is it the civilized path to greater understanding, but you personally learn more and more about this wonderful world we live in.

Well said tonyb!! They should all be shown up for the ignorant arrogant fools they are. Even the EU is slowly coming round to shale gas, the need for cheap energy to get economies moving again, to promote evil wicked “growth” & even more evil still, “wealth”!!!!

This comment is awaiting moderation at his site. I hope he thinks about it.

Steve,

Harpo is actually quite right. For years, I was very alarmed about climate change and concerned that we weren’t doing enough. It wasn’t until I was challenged by my father, a retired engineer, who had taken an interest in Steve McIntyre’s work and my inability to counter his arguments that I started taking a serious interest in the subject. Once I started to dig for myself and examine seriously the reasonable objections serious scientific skeptics were saying that I began to realize that the case for alarmism is extremely weak. You mention that the ‘science is settled’. The science is NEVER settled – otherwise it would stop! Climate change has happened, is happening, and will always continue to happen – whether we influence it or not. Saying the ‘science is settled’ is shutting down reasonable and rational debate over an enormously complex subject, characterised by the depth of our ignorance, not our knowledge.

If you don’t want to listen to those who you regard as ‘mad deniers’ – why don’t you at least listen to the balanced, reasonable, fully justified and supported views of tenured climate scientists such as Richard LIndzen, or Judith Curry or Roy Spencer or John Christy. These aren’t mad crackpots, but publishing and serious climate scientists who essentially caution against over-confidence, confirmation bias, and group-think that has blighted climate science for the past decade and a half.

I urge you to at least examine what they say, and understand their objections before committing yourself to an opposing viewpoint without ever fully understanding what you are opposing.

What? No mad women on either side? This is not politically correct, eh?

True, but “climate science” as practiced by “The Team” IS politically correct. And that’s why it isn’t science. (Just look at the bozos in Josh’s rendition–every one of them are crooked activists who are out of control–much like our government.)

“Al Gore: My fellow Earthicans, as I discuss in my book Earth in the Balance and the much more popular Harry Potter and the Balance of Earth, we need to defend our planet against pollution. As well as dark wizards. “

I’m afraid Josh got it wrong on the “Most influential tree in the world” reference for Mann. That was Briffa’s claim to infamy with his Yamal reconstruction. There’s probably little doubt that Mann may have had a hand in it, but the reference is misplaced.

Very funny, I still don’t get the obscure “Mad Men” reference. But still, Josh’s work has more of a good natured feel to it, Steve Brodner’s work is good too but has a darker feel to it, the intention of demonizing his caricatures comes across very well. :)

I like that sketch. Nicely executed loose watercolor. I can see why you would want a copy. It’s too bad he’s not open to the skeptics, he’d probably make some good money selling prints to the skeptical community. But I suppose he’d think it was filthy carbon money and wouldn’t want to touch it. :roll eyes:

Just looked at “Brodner’s Bicycle”:
“The evidence is overwhelming (see this video) … that our carbon addiction is trapping heat and destroying the Earth as we knew it.”
Epic Fail? the embedded video is by Piers Corbyn and says the opposite :-)
“Harpo” is currently being nice to him while sneaking a few suggestions in. Waiting to see if Harpo’s and my comments get deleted. If they are, then that will leave only Steve himself and one +1 type comment from 5 June.
Talking to himself over a period of 6 days is going to look a bit odd …
Or maybe he’s fallen off his bicycle and can’t do any editing ?

Stephen Rasey – I was about to leave an almost identical comment. They could all be around a table full of money, with green shades on counting money with totals of grants (maybe with grants from oil companies listed separately) and/or energy business ventures listed above their heads. Gore would, of course, have huge piles already stacked behind him.

While the body of work Josh has created over the years speaks for itself, I think that in this case Go_Home has produced what is a most interesting version of this theme.
I look forward o being able to purchase both.

As kadaka pointed out in the earlier thread, Brodner’s caricatures look more like famous people than the skeptics they’re intended to portray: “…Watts is Lech Walesa. Steve Milloy is Peter Lorre. And Joe Bastardi is Barrack Obama…” James Taylor and Fred Singer are Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson, respectively. For caricature, Brodner’s cartoon is largely a failure. And for a cartoonist, he has remarkably little sense of humor.

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I don’t think those are meant to be coffee cups.
PS The smoking thing. I smoke. The antismoking agenda in the US has gone way out of bounds. But I would never tell someone to start smoking. I would encourage anyone who does to quit. I know it’s tough.
I had quit for two years 20+ years ago. Without getting into details, I had a tough day and asked a friend for a cigarrette. I thought one after two years would only be one. He gave it to me. Now I smoke again. If you smoke and someone you know is trying to quit or has quit asks you for one, tell them to ask again in 15 minutes. Give them a chance to get over a moment of weakness and/or stupidity.

The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change ‘UNFCCC’ (UNFCCC consists of 154 nations including Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Sudan, Malaysia, Maldives, and so on) is the political body that writes the summary for each IPCC report. The purpose of each IPCC report (written by the nominated scientists by each UNFCCC member; are the nominated ‘scientists’ independent, opportunity for hidden agendas?) is to justify UNFCCC proposed world binding climate legislation. I.e The UNFCCC first determined a political agenda and then directed the IPCC to write reports to support that agenda.

At the IPCC’s 20th anniversary, its chairman gave a speech in which he publicly acknowledged that the IPCC’s primary purpose is not to help governments make wise climate change decisions based on the science. Rather in his words:

“The UNFCCC is our main customer, if I could label them as such, and our interaction with them enriches the relevance of our work…”

Reference: The Delinquent Teenager, IPCC Expose Donna Laframboise

The current climate change proposal is there will be a carbon tax on all manufactured goods for all countries. A portion of the carbon tax will be sent to the UNFCCC who will administrate its distribution to developing and third world countries. The plan is the carbon tax will gradually be increased and by some miracle a new source of energy will be discovered and/or there will be massive job loss in Western countries which will result in either political reform and the abandonment of the climate change scam and/or riots.

The UN bureaucrats, the developing countries, and third world country middle men and politicians all see the carbon tax money as a source of income and job security. The system is rigged to produce alarmist, fudged reports. The NGOs Greenpeace, World Wildlife federation play a central role in writing the IPCC report and then attend the yearly climate convention to give the impression that the citizens each country are aware of the legislation, want a massive loss of jobs, and support a reduction in living standards to solve a non problem. The estimated economic impact is also calculated by the IPCC.

The NGOs are left of each countries’ green parties and are anti development, anti people. As the EU countries such as Germany have minority governments the green party is given the department of environment as a prerequisite to form a coalition and hence gets to select the scientists for the IPCC report writing. i.e. The process starts with a conclusion and then the job of the IPCC is to bend the data to support the agenda.

The fact that there has been 16 years of no warming is therefore not a scientific issue for the IPCC. The issue is how to cover that fact up and then state all scientists speak with one voice: All Western countries must sign the proposed insane scam climate change agreement.

As a kid I wanted to be an artist (commercial) and drew cartoons (among other things). From a Library book I learned (at that time) ALL cartoon characters had 3 fingers. After entering an art contest in the 6th grade, and comparing the winning entry with my own, I switched to math & science courses.

Even this friendly comment is still awaiting moderation at Brodner’s Bicycle:

This is brilliant, Steve, and I hope I will one day be able to tell my grandchildren about it. Joe Bastardi, Robert Bryce and James Taylor look truly evil in your painting. The others could have used more work to reveal their satanic nature but I understand the stress of modern production deadlines. Francisco Goya faced similar pressures in his lifetime but I think he had way more time to finish his 1821-23 Witches’ Sabbath.
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Instead of water being a major factor in climate it is reduced to a “feedback” of CO2. It is not even shown in the IPCC chart of forcings except as a tiny amount in the stratosphere along with O3! link

…Water is an extremely important and also complicated greenhouse gas. Without the role of water vapor as a greenhouse gas, the earth would be uninhabitable. Water is not a driver or forcing in anthropogenic warming, however. Rather it is a feedback, and a rather complicated one at that. The amount of water vapor in the air changes in response to forcings….

And that boys and girls is how you take a trace gas and make it the 21st century boogyman.

Whilst I know that correlation is not causation, there does seem to be a strong correlation between facial hair and climate alarmism. Maybe it’s one of the criteria for the peer review process for journal articles.

Authors from a known institution? Check
Supports the current CO2 meme? Check
Is likely to generate more funding? Check
At least two authors have facial hair? Check