I hope that NATO will do nothing concerning Syria and UN.I highly recommend to read the meeting "The situation in the Middle East" recordhttp://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N11/529/74/PDF/N1152974.pdf?OpenElement It demonstrates the position of different countries and has more information that the entire thread fro the moment. BRICS decided to oppose any resolution that even remotely may permit military intervention. They bring the Libyan example in. They suggest to give Syrian government time for reforms, that are already claimed and to respect its sovereignty. There are armed radical gangs that they fight with. US and EU: Syrian government is hopeless, it is killing people, we cannot wait, we must "take coherent measures". Actually that means nothing but military intervention, what else you can do to remove Assad from power. The speeches are so different, it is like they discuss different matters. US and UK annoyance is obvious. It is like "why do we have to have this UN SC voting, why cannot we just go and remove Assad from power. No veto can stop justice."

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

It must be scary.

I see, thank you for clearing that up. So Assad never said this?

Of course he did, geyzer is an incompetent propagandist.

There is no reason to use snipers against protesters. The protesters must see the treat and the direction where to go. The only result of the snipers work: dead body afterwards to accuse "bloody regime".What do you do with protesters as a dictator? There are several options, used also in the civilized countries. Then your agents find the most active protesters in the crowd and do a visit to them later. Snipers serve for nothing.

your conjecture and speculation is airtight, the snipers must be CIA plants

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

It must be scary.

I see, thank you for clearing that up. So Assad never said this?

Of course he did, geyzer is an incompetent propagandist.

atleast he is coming up with some sources, biased or not. you have nothing in your hands so how come he is the incompetent propagandist while you are not?

Because it's up to GeyzeR to prove his conspiracies and not up to DeepElemBlues to disprove them.

The problem with you, guys, is that you do not look for truth, but you just push the agenda of those who in power, over all topics.Once a doubt of Assad message has popped up, it was easy to find Syrian, Russian and TURKISH FM denial.But you, I guess intentionally, keep protecting this piece of anti-Syrian propaganda, aimed to demonize Syrian government, to prepare public opinion for military invasion as the only viable way to remove Assad from power, that is the goal, and it is not a secret or conspiracy, read the UN SC press release, of US, Israel and EU.I do not know how bad Assad is, I did not follow Syria closely, but in this particular episode I can see lie and I step up against it.

And then you call me "an incompetent propagandist" after all.Why are you doing this??

Well, he loves terrible dictators that massacre their populations even more than just terrible dictators. Also, when NATO supports them in their crimes like in Bahrein that just spoils it a bit for him.

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

It must be scary.

I see, thank you for clearing that up. So Assad never said this?

Of course he did, geyzer is an incompetent propagandist.

atleast he is coming up with some sources, biased or not. you have nothing in your hands so how come he is the incompetent propagandist while you are not?

Because it's up to GeyzeR to prove his conspiracies and not up to DeepElemBlues to disprove them.

then why are you even trying to prove otherwise without any facts or productive criticism? You know when you quote others and try to make some debate, you have to answer in the same or higher level structure. If he is providing proofs and sources which are backing his facts up, you have to do the same rather than insulting your opponent and run for the easy way.

So far you have only tried to bring up 1 fact and that is Assad being a dictator. Unfortunately i have to correct you on that one also that he isnt a dictator. I invite you to make some research on how Syrian politics work. They have elections, they have a parliament and political parties and a constitution, everything you might find in a proper democracy. So i dont know why are you calling the guy a dictator? Get some sense.

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

It must be scary.

I see, thank you for clearing that up. So Assad never said this?

Of course he did, geyzer is an incompetent propagandist.

atleast he is coming up with some sources, biased or not. you have nothing in your hands so how come he is the incompetent propagandist while you are not?

Because it's up to GeyzeR to prove his conspiracies and not up to DeepElemBlues to disprove them.

then why are you even trying to prove otherwise without any facts or productive criticism? You know when you quote others and try to make some debate, you have to answer in the same or higher level structure. If he is providing proofs and sources which are backing his facts up, you have to do the same rather than insulting your opponent and run for the easy way.

So far you have only tried to bring up 1 fact and that is Assad being a dictator. Unfortunately i have to correct you on that one also that he isnt a dictator. I invite you to make some research on how Syrian politics work. They have elections, they have a parliament and political parties and a constitution, everything you might find in a proper democracy. So i dont know why are you calling the guy a dictator? Get some sense.

Wow...

It doesn't matter how many people you piss over does it? Who cares about Syrians right? What's a few people into the grinding wheels of a totalitarian regime as long as you can feel alternative by defending a mass murderder and a dictator...

It's one topic after the other where in the world is TL finding all these dictator lovers...

What's next? You gonna jump to the defence of Robert Mugabe? Zimbabwe has elections so surely it's a democracy right? We are talking about human lives, you can't even empathise with that? You need to hate the west so much that you are willing to make light of these people and their struggle?

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

It must be scary.

I see, thank you for clearing that up. So Assad never said this?

Of course he did, geyzer is an incompetent propagandist.

atleast he is coming up with some sources, biased or not. you have nothing in your hands so how come he is the incompetent propagandist while you are not?

Because it's up to GeyzeR to prove his conspiracies and not up to DeepElemBlues to disprove them.

then why are you even trying to prove otherwise without any facts or productive criticism? You know when you quote others and try to make some debate, you have to answer in the same or higher level structure. If he is providing proofs and sources which are backing his facts up, you have to do the same rather than insulting your opponent and run for the easy way.

So far you have only tried to bring up 1 fact and that is Assad being a dictator. Unfortunately i have to correct you on that one also that he isnt a dictator. I invite you to make some research on how Syrian politics work. They have elections, they have a parliament and political parties and a constitution, everything you might find in a proper democracy. So i dont know why are you calling the guy a dictator? Get some sense.

I guess 98% of the vote seems legitimate. And pursuing and punishing political opponents and reformists is a staple of democratic states, isn't it?

The only legal political parties are the Baath Party and its several small coalition partners in the ruling National Progressive Front (NPF). Independent candidates, who are heavily vetted and closely allied with the regime, are permitted to contest about a third of the People’s Council seats, meaning two-thirds are reserved for the NPF.

Your case is just looking stronger and stronger.

Now that you've been set straight I'll adress the other part of your post. We're disproving his sources, telling him and everyone else why they're not to be trusted, and pointiong out the logical shortcomings in his and his sources conclusions. Every now and again we will provide a source (either because it makes arguing easier or because of false claims were made which can easily be disproven), however this isn't a requirement for discussing his sources.

I'll give you an analogy. Say you wanted to debate that the earth is the center of our solar system. You're going against all credible sources while saying this, so it is up to you to present your case as to why you are right and everyone and everything else is wrong. It is not, however, up to everyone else to disprove you, although in a good scientific discussion they will if you have anything of worth in your argument. Alternatively they will reform their views, should they be proven incorrect, ie. that the earth really is the center of our solar system and what was previously thought true is proven false. GeyzeR is going against the norm (always, it seems), and thus it is up to him to prove why he's right and everyone else is wrong.

On October 10 2011 00:21 HellRoxYa wrote:It didn't occur to you that Assad might just be a terrible dictator, just like his father was?

By passing to a "terrible dictator" argument I assume that we finally agree that Assad message was a hoax. There is a UN commission about to start working in Syria, it will try to find out how terrible dictator he is. Still you do not start propaganda full of lie, and then a war with potential tens of thousands fatalities, destroyed infrastructure and miserable life for population for many years to come. We have the terrible example of Iraq, still someone is OK with Iraq #2. 8 years have passed, but still long way to the living standards during terrible dictator times. Why people if oil rich country, having all help of the West and so called democracy are still miserable?Because nobody really cares about these people, Iraqi or Syrians. If some of you say that I like dictators, then I may say that you like war, bombardments, killing people, put a whole nation into misery. Libya was very weak from the military point of few. Such long resistance was a surprise to everybody. We have 60.000 killed. Syria is much much stronger and prepared. We do not know what Russia is going to in case of invasion, they may help Syria secretly. The consequences of such invasion may be huge, terrible. We must look for the way to avoid it at all costs.

Hey, newflash, noone has been arguing for an invasion of Syria. You, on the other hand, keep defending Assad's regime, making excuses (including in your last post by bringing up figures from the war in Libya, which by the way I proved incorrect in the Libya thread so you might want to stop using it. The HIGH figure is only 30 000) for him and his crimes.

And I don't know why Assad couldn't or wouldn't have said that. Why would it be a hoax? Do you think an invasion is more likely when Assad promises to retaliate? Noone wants to be retaliated on, and that means that if anything his statement is a deterrent to any invasion. I guess you think it will serve as some sort of provocation, which doesn't make any sense at all.

On October 10 2011 07:23 HellRoxYa wrote:You, on the other hand, keep defending Assad's regime, making excuses (including in your last post by bringing up figures from the war in Libya, which by the way I proved incorrect in the Libya thread so you might want to stop using it. The HIGH figure is only 30 000) for him and his crimes.

And I don't know why Assad couldn't or wouldn't have said that. Why would it be a hoax? Do you think an invasion is more likely when Assad promises to retaliate? Noone wants to be retaliated on, and that means that if anything his statement is a deterrent to any invasion. I guess you think it will serve as some sort of provocation, which doesn't make any sense at all.

It is hard to tell the exact number of causalities. In Iraq, for example, the numbers are between 114 and 1000 thousands. 30.000 is the number of just from one side.Anyway, what is the acceptable number of causalities for a regime change?

==Why would it be a hoax?==Just because Syrian, Russian and Turkish FM denied it. Why you have to come back to this obvious topic again and again? Is it the first rime a newspaper makes up a story?

What is your proposal to stabilize the situation in Syria without invasion? How do you stop that dictator?If you are against invasion, then you are sided with BRICKS and me and against US and EU.

The decision to invade is already taken by US. Now you need to show to the public how bad Assad is.I do not care about Assad, I do not like that we start wars, kill people and ruin countries.And I also, personally, do not like lie.

At this moment it does not matter what he does or says. US must negotiate with BRICKS (offer something in return for giving Syria to western control) or find a way around. I am curious to know if Russia has at least a bit of independence left.

We are in a very crucial historical moment now. The western economies and currencies are about to collapse, the word is changing right in front of our eyes. West is losing its superpower, don't you see it?

On October 10 2011 07:23 HellRoxYa wrote:You, on the other hand, keep defending Assad's regime, making excuses (including in your last post by bringing up figures from the war in Libya, which by the way I proved incorrect in the Libya thread so you might want to stop using it. The HIGH figure is only 30 000) for him and his crimes.

And I don't know why Assad couldn't or wouldn't have said that. Why would it be a hoax? Do you think an invasion is more likely when Assad promises to retaliate? Noone wants to be retaliated on, and that means that if anything his statement is a deterrent to any invasion. I guess you think it will serve as some sort of provocation, which doesn't make any sense at all.

It is hard to tell the exact number of causalities. In Iraq, for example, the numbers are between 114 and 1000 thousands. 30.000 is the number of just from one side.Anyway, what is the acceptable number of causalities for a regime change?

30 000 is the HIGHEST estimate of any official estimate, and that's the one claimed by the rebels, you know, the ones who want the highest possible deaths to make Gaddafi look as bad as possible. You're just throwing random numbers out there.

On October 10 2011 09:27 HellRoxYa wrote:30 000 is the HIGHEST estimate of any official estimate, and that's the one claimed by the rebels, you know, the ones who want the highest possible deaths to make Gaddafi look as bad as possible. You're just throwing random numbers out there.

You made a logical mistake. The war started by the rebels and NATO made it last so long and refused peace talks, proposed by Gaddafi, China, Russia and AU.The more causalities, the worse NATO looks. And as in any similar conflict, If NATO begins invasion in Syria, all the war causalities to be blamed on NATO.At this moment, the causalities can be blamed on Assad.But who can you blame 120 security forces troops killed? Peaceful demonstrators?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jisr_al-Shughur

The situation in Syria a bit different from other countries. Syrian government uses army, heavy weapons and they have serious fights with many causalities among military. The so called peaceful demonstrators are very well armed.

I'm sorry, you must be confused. It's in the rebels interest that as many as possible have died during their fight against Gaddafi. Why? Because they put the blame on Gaddafi (whether that's correct or not is completely irrelevant). That means that they're more likely to put out a higher number than a lower one. They also had the highest number of any of the ones listed, quite a lot higher than the second claim. And a world away from your 60 000 figure.

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

It must be scary.

I see, thank you for clearing that up. So Assad never said this?

Of course he did, geyzer is an incompetent propagandist.

atleast he is coming up with some sources, biased or not. you have nothing in your hands so how come he is the incompetent propagandist while you are not?

Because it's up to GeyzeR to prove his conspiracies and not up to DeepElemBlues to disprove them.

then why are you even trying to prove otherwise without any facts or productive criticism? You know when you quote others and try to make some debate, you have to answer in the same or higher level structure. If he is providing proofs and sources which are backing his facts up, you have to do the same rather than insulting your opponent and run for the easy way.

So far you have only tried to bring up 1 fact and that is Assad being a dictator. Unfortunately i have to correct you on that one also that he isnt a dictator. I invite you to make some research on how Syrian politics work. They have elections, they have a parliament and political parties and a constitution, everything you might find in a proper democracy. So i dont know why are you calling the guy a dictator? Get some sense.

The only legal political parties are the Baath Party and its several small coalition partners in the ruling National Progressive Front (NPF). Independent candidates, who are heavily vetted and closely allied with the regime, are permitted to contest about a third of the People’s Council seats, meaning two-thirds are reserved for the NPF.

Your case is just looking stronger and stronger.

The source you have came up with is subjective and a true propoganda. The only punished parties and unions in Syria are the ones that are formed by Kurds, and Kurds in that region are very well known for their terrorist initiatives which is accepted by world wide.

I invite you to learn the "democracy" through all aspects within because you just look like another college kid who believes on whatever he sees on the internet.

I will explain the current democracy in Syria without being subjective;

Democracy in Syria is called; Socialist Democracy.

Socialist democracy is way different than liberal democracy or cosmopolitan or supranational or many other forms. Socialst democracy was born to oppose the liberal democracy and its ways. In communist states, if countries wanted to become a Socialist republic instead of other forms, they had to have a democracy since you cant have a republic state without having democracy. At the same time you cant have liberalism in communism and socialism so, many socialist countries that werent in USSR back in the time have went in this way. When the communism collapsed, remaining communists turned to socialism and the previous socialists changed their government types from Soviet Republic to various names and forms such as Socialist Republic, People's Republic etc..

Now, in democracy you need a parliament for the delegates that you support so they do what you want in that parliament if the majority agrees.

So in Syria there is a socialist parliament, it is called People's Council of Syria which has 250 seats and 2 sides which has the rights to pass a law or not; NPF and independents. Even though it looks like NPF is just an single party, in fact it isnt. NPF is a coaliton of socialist parties and unions that are the representitive delegates of the people! Parties within NPF still hold their seats seperately in the parliament. It is a coalition that have been formed for elections only. There are many examples of this around the world in many first world countries to third world ones.

NPF union have been formed so socialists can get into the parliament and remove the French puppets from the country and restore the Socialism through democracy and fight against liberalism but lets not discuss the Syrian history here.

Anyway, if you form your own Socialist union or a party today, you can get into the parliament as a normal citizen. Or if you are not a socialist then you can enter to the parliament as an Independent candidate at the elections.

This system is called Dominant-party system, which is still up in many other countries. The problem here is that you and some others calling Assad a dictator while there is not a single sign of dictatorship here. You are linking me a bias and illusional source about NPF which is trying to show that NPF is the only party and Syria is a Single party state. In democracies there is a huge difference between dominant party state and single party state!Syria is a dominant party state, write that down in your head!

Oh yes elections, last parlimantery elections they had was in 2007. From 250 seats NPF have won the majority with 169 seats while Independents hold 81. Which is around a 55% turnout, not 97% that you come up with.

They have a constitution which can be shaped by this parliament by voting or not, plus they even have a constitutional court other than their national high judiciary.

Their constitution is the main element of their government. They have adopted their true national constitution first in 60s, a decade after their INDEPENDENCE from French mandate. This constitution have been gone through very minor changes around 70s when NPF have been formed.

Those minor changes were about the change of government from Multi party state to dominant party state, a change that had to be done to make a socialist constitution instead of a liberal one.

Their president is Assad(leader of the socialist baath party, member of NPF coalition) while they have Vice president and a prime minister aswell.

There are no militarian elements in the government at all.

I dont know what else to add to show that Syria is not led by a dictator and his rockets and ak47s. Please remove that picture from your head.

This is an average ratio but it is true if you compare it with the last elections, only 20% of the people in Syria are revolting for more human rights that they believe to deserve. Everyone believes that Syria needs to work on their human rights and improve it to the todays standarts. However only 20% of the population is revolting, other 25% percent of the opposition is still giving time to the government to complete their mission and then remove the State of Emergency when they are done. From the 55% of the supporters some want it to stay like this while some other NPF supporters want the State of Emergency to be removed for the stabilization but keep track of the national agenda and dont cancel the government mission, in other words keep the NPF in parliament. It is all too hectic but in democracies, everyone has a word to say and things to do.

We cant know what Syrian government have planned behind their closed doors regarding the human rights but people in Syria wants the long lasted State of Emergency to be removed. If the current State of Emergency in Syria was removed then they would have their standart human rights finally. Current State of Emergency in Syria has many ruff elements, such as major censorship of media, military police instead of a normal police because of reserve forces of military being mobilized around, special laws that last only during the state of emergency like similar ones to the U.S. Patriot Act, closed borders/embassies to the countries who they belive that can pose threat to Syrian nation again like Israel, Turkey have done etc.

As i have given the ratios of population, it is a Syrian internal thing and it must be sorted in a different manner since the revolters are revolting for more human rights. There is no point in Nato intervention on the 25 million populated region which only has almost one quarter of its population revolting while rest wants to cooperate with the government, there will be major casulties from both sides.

One quarter of the population in Syria is a quite huge number that is opposing the current state of emergency crap they have and this must be taken care of by the U.N. right away. But not with the Nato bombing which would result in a collapsed Syria, a country in ruins and blood, impose the imperialistic democracy and be under the western mandate again then work for a minimum wage decided by new shitty liberal democrats who will bring the whole unemployment crysis, stagnation and inflation to the new Syria, make it a slave of western powers in both economy and stability by giving its independence for a Nato protected plastic liberalism.

But i guess none of these facts will ever get into your head nor do i care. It is your decision to live like a pawn, watching your cnn, fox news and read your daily new york times instead of getting some academical-like education from respective books. I wont debate with you anymore, dont forget taking your tinfoil hat before leaving.

On topic; I totally support Russia and China's stance in this regarding the military intervention. None of those two support Syria just because they have their influence there more than the western countries and have more benefit but, they dont want a military intervention over a democratic state which would lead to way more innocent casulties, fall of an independent country into the strings of western imperialism. Not like they dont care, everybody in this world cares for innocent deaths, but being a spoiled kid in politics like America and Israel doing right now, refusing to communicate and not sorting the crysis with diplomatic panels and meetings, they decide to give a WARNING like they did back in with Cuba, Vietnam, Serbia, Iraq, this and that. Then start to threaten, cut the money and already make plans of an invasion. It is very sad but i dont wanna push my criticism more further. I just hope there wont be any military intervention by Nato in the area but some way of diplomatic approach and support to a diplomatic forum or whatever to sort this glitch of a democracy.

A little bit of support and a little bit of peaceful approach would sort anything like how Russia and China is supporting, not like i am fan of those countries but still it is the most civilized way of doing things. No need for a jingoism here, calm your jets. I invite everyone to tolerance and peace.

"State of emergency which was in force until 21 April 2011 when it was lifted during the 2011 Syrian uprising" (Wikipedia)Assad also started reforms and generally responded to the people demands quite good.He knows that the world is watching and behave.Gaddafi for example, also dismissed taxes in vain attempt to prevent uprising.But non of these action will help. Because the goal of the uprising is to remove power from "dictator" and give it to western puppets.

In opposite to what some says that we have to listen only to one side of the conflict, the others (Syrian, BRICS and other "weird" countries) cannot be trusted, I invite to read also the news directly from the Syrian news agencyhttp://www.sana.sy/index_eng.htmlUnfortunately, the situation in the world is that you cannot have just one source, one side view and believe it...

Quite an interesting development in Syria. Syria has become the scapegoat (because of its enmity towards Israel) for Israel's brutal and murderous foreign policies. Syria, however, was the last remaining supporter of the Palestinians. The Muslim world has turned their back on Palestine to gain, rather, peace and trade agreements with the United States and Israel. Yes, Syria suffers under a harsh totalitarian regime, but the timing of the protests are peculiar. Who will gain the most from this development? Simply, like always, the United States and Israel will. I foresee another "holy war," led by the United States under the facade of protecting Israel and the Syrian people, in order to obtain natural resources. Venezuela better be wary as well. U.S. military bases in Colombia suggests that the United States will be on the hunt shortly.

It must be scary.

I see, thank you for clearing that up. So Assad never said this?

Of course he did, geyzer is an incompetent propagandist.

atleast he is coming up with some sources, biased or not. you have nothing in your hands so how come he is the incompetent propagandist while you are not?

Because it's up to GeyzeR to prove his conspiracies and not up to DeepElemBlues to disprove them.

then why are you even trying to prove otherwise without any facts or productive criticism? You know when you quote others and try to make some debate, you have to answer in the same or higher level structure. If he is providing proofs and sources which are backing his facts up, you have to do the same rather than insulting your opponent and run for the easy way.

So far you have only tried to bring up 1 fact and that is Assad being a dictator. Unfortunately i have to correct you on that one also that he isnt a dictator. I invite you to make some research on how Syrian politics work. They have elections, they have a parliament and political parties and a constitution, everything you might find in a proper democracy. So i dont know why are you calling the guy a dictator? Get some sense.

I guess 98% of the vote seems legitimate. And pursuing and punishing political opponents and reformists is a staple of democratic states, isn't it?

The only legal political parties are the Baath Party and its several small coalition partners in the ruling National Progressive Front (NPF). Independent candidates, who are heavily vetted and closely allied with the regime, are permitted to contest about a third of the People’s Council seats, meaning two-thirds are reserved for the NPF.

Your case is just looking stronger and stronger.

The source you have came up with is subjective and a true propoganda. The only punished parties and unions in Syria are the ones that are formed by Kurds, and Kurds in that region are very well known for their terrorist initiatives which is accepted by world wide.

I invite you to learn the "democracy" through all aspects within because you just look like another college kid who believes on whatever he sees on the internet.

I will explain the current democracy in Syria without being subjective;

Democracy in Syria is called; Socialist Democracy.

Socialist democracy is way different than liberal democracy or cosmopolitan or supranational or many other forms. Socialst democracy was born to oppose the liberal democracy and its ways. In communist states, if countries wanted to become a Socialist republic instead of other forms, they had to have a democracy since you cant have a republic state without having democracy. At the same time you cant have liberalism in communism and socialism so, many socialist countries that werent in USSR back in the time have went in this way. When the communism collapsed, remaining communists turned to socialism and the previous socialists changed their government types from Soviet Republic to various names and forms such as Socialist Republic, People's Republic etc..

Now, in democracy you need a parliament for the delegates that you support so they do what you want in that parliament if the majority agrees.

So in Syria there is a socialist parliament, it is called People's Council of Syria which has 250 seats and 2 sides which has the rights to pass a law or not; NPF and independents. Even though it looks like NPF is just an single party, in fact it isnt. NPF is a coaliton of socialist parties and unions that are the representitive delegates of the people! Parties within NPF still hold their seats seperately in the parliament. It is a coalition that have been formed for elections only. There are many examples of this around the world in many first world countries to third world ones.

NPF union have been formed so socialists can get into the parliament and remove the French puppets from the country and restore the Socialism through democracy and fight against liberalism but lets not discuss the Syrian history here.

Anyway, if you form your own Socialist union or a party today, you can get into the parliament as a normal citizen. Or if you are not a socialist then you can enter to the parliament as an Independent candidate at the elections.

This system is called Dominant-party system, which is still up in many other countries. The problem here is that you and some others calling Assad a dictator while there is not a single sign of dictatorship here. You are linking me a bias and illusional source about NPF which is trying to show that NPF is the only party and Syria is a Single party state. In democracies there is a huge difference between dominant party state and single party state!Syria is a dominant party state, write that down in your head!

Oh yes elections, last parlimantery elections they had was in 2007. From 250 seats NPF have won the majority with 169 seats while Independents hold 81. Which is around a 55% turnout, not 97% that you come up with.

They have a constitution which can be shaped by this parliament by voting or not, plus they even have a constitutional court other than their national high judiciary.

Their constitution is the main element of their government. They have adopted their true national constitution first in 60s, a decade after their INDEPENDENCE from French mandate. This constitution have been gone through very minor changes around 70s when NPF have been formed.

Those minor changes were about the change of government from Multi party state to dominant party state, a change that had to be done to make a socialist constitution instead of a liberal one.

Their president is Assad(leader of the socialist baath party, member of NPF coalition) while they have Vice president and a prime minister aswell.

There are no militarian elements in the government at all.

I dont know what else to add to show that Syria is not led by a dictator and his rockets and ak47s. Please remove that picture from your head.

This is an average ratio but it is true if you compare it with the last elections, only 20% of the people in Syria are revolting for more human rights that they believe to deserve. Everyone believes that Syria needs to work on their human rights and improve it to the todays standarts. However only 20% of the population is revolting, other 25% percent of the opposition is still giving time to the government to complete their mission and then remove the State of Emergency when they are done. From the 55% of the supporters some want it to stay like this while some other NPF supporters want the State of Emergency to be removed for the stabilization but keep track of the national agenda and dont cancel the government mission, in other words keep the NPF in parliament. It is all too hectic but in democracies, everyone has a word to say and things to do.

We cant know what Syrian government have planned behind their closed doors regarding the human rights but people in Syria wants the long lasted State of Emergency to be removed. If the current State of Emergency in Syria was removed then they would have their standart human rights finally. Current State of Emergency in Syria has many ruff elements, such as major censorship of media, military police instead of a normal police because of reserve forces of military being mobilized around, special laws that last only during the state of emergency like similar ones to the U.S. Patriot Act, closed borders/embassies to the countries who they belive that can pose threat to Syrian nation again like Israel, Turkey have done etc.

As i have given the ratios of population, it is a Syrian internal thing and it must be sorted in a different manner since the revolters are revolting for more human rights. There is no point in Nato intervention on the 25 million populated region which only has almost one quarter of its population revolting while rest wants to cooperate with the government, there will be major casulties from both sides.

One quarter of the population in Syria is a quite huge number that is opposing the current state of emergency crap they have and this must be taken care of by the U.N. right away. But not with the Nato bombing which would result in a collapsed Syria, a country in ruins and blood, impose the imperialistic democracy and be under the western mandate again then work for a minimum wage decided by new shitty liberal democrats who will bring the whole unemployment crysis, stagnation and inflation to the new Syria, make it a slave of western powers in both economy and stability by giving its independence for a Nato protected plastic liberalism.

But i guess none of these facts will ever get into your head nor do i care. It is your decision to live like a pawn, watching your cnn, fox news and read your daily new york times instead of getting some academical-like education from respective books. I wont debate with you anymore, dont forget taking your tinfoil hat before leaving.

On topic; I totally support Russia and China's stance in this regarding the military intervention. None of those two support Syria just because they have their influence there more than the western countries and have more benefit but, they dont want a military intervention over a democratic state which would lead to way more innocent casulties, fall of an independent country into the strings of western imperialism. Not like they dont care, everybody in this world cares for innocent deaths, but being a spoiled kid in politics like America and Israel doing right now, refusing to communicate and not sorting the crysis with diplomatic panels and meetings, they decide to give a WARNING like they did back in with Cuba, Vietnam, Serbia, Iraq, this and that. Then start to threaten, cut the money and already make plans of an invasion. It is very sad but i dont wanna push my criticism more further. I just hope there wont be any military intervention by Nato in the area but some way of diplomatic approach and support to a diplomatic forum or whatever to sort this glitch of a democracy.

A little bit of support and a little bit of peaceful approach would sort anything like how Russia and China is supporting, not like i am fan of those countries but still it is the most civilized way of doing things. No need for a jingoism here, calm your jets. I invite everyone to tolerance and peace.

Look, if the country doesn't follow democratic principles, and it doesn't (even if it's to support a "socialist democracy", which per your description isn't a democracy) then it isn't a democracy. I'm sorry that you're buying all of their smokescreens. That's why they even bother having parliment and voting and so on - because it vents some issues, the "right ones", and helps subdue the people and project a more favorable view to the rest of the world. Maybe you'd like to argue that China is democratic next.