theaiguy69420_89814: "vibe coding" is only entering public consciousness *now*?
spicy.lemonade: Indeed
theaiguy69420_89814: The economic impacts are quite evident, and seemingly very late
futurist_wizard:
theaiguy69420_89814: I tend to avoid such speculation
theaiguy69420_89814: AGI is terribly defined
fractalcomputer: We'll see how this pans out.
fractalcomputer: Hah.
fractalcomputer: Pessimistic researchers converging on the next decade?
theaiguy69420_89814: I sometimes think some people here are AI, for example
theaiguy69420_89814: That already pollutes the results
theaiguy69420_89814: So like, do they get some fishy email saying "join our discord"
theaiguy69420_89814: I mean, it very much depends on the whole situation
spicy.lemonade: Voice chat, text etc
alejandrozarzuelo: <@749514473303179358> will criticise me for not having arrived to this conclusion from first principles, but seeing how the optimistic and pessimistic researchers are all converging on the 2028-2035 range, should give us a relative level of confidence that AGI, while still very far away, lies in the horizon
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Would unironically work
spicy.lemonade: I can imagine something like
Discord
spicy.lemonade: They interact with the ai through a computer
theaiguy69420_89814: So some human interacts with some AI through what medium?
theaiguy69420_89814: But what's the context? Some sort of 90 day finance situation?
spicy.lemonade: The human is also behind a computer
spicy.lemonade: They aren’t told
spicy.lemonade: Might even prompt you
theaiguy69420_89814: I'm confused, how does the human not know from the start that it's an AI?
spicy.lemonade: Prompting
spicy.lemonade: Not just promoting
spicy.lemonade: Back and fourth
spicy.lemonade: Etc
spicy.lemonade: Continuous learning
spicy.lemonade: More like a her like system with genuine memory
spicy.lemonade: No
theaiguy69420_89814: This ^ has been solved since 4o
theaiguy69420_89814: https://humanornot.so/
spicy.lemonade: Yes
spicy.lemonade: Longer turning test tests more
theaiguy69420_89814: AI waifu?
theaiguy69420_89814: 24hours... In what context?
spicy.lemonade: I think that’s the date we should hold
spicy.lemonade: By 2030


wellmeaningalien: yeah idiot
hikukomoru: True
We all have brown eyes
wellmeaningalien: ur just malding cuz no job
wellmeaningalien: cartoonish
_3sphere:
wellmeaningalien: i unno? abstract polygonal
wellmeaningalien: free porn
futurist_wizard: Can anyone guess the style of this, it did it decently well, not where its from but the style
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/man-of-culture-chad-ratio-porn-addicted-gif-25550209
hikukomoru: You don't get it
My repetitive sex jokes are funny
hikukomoru:
futurist_wizard: No Portuguese has blue eyes
ailoveyoom: What do you think we do here all day 😔
wellmeaningalien: i look like this btw
hikukomoru: Same few jokes
Unfunny
wellmeaningalien: she uses windose dude
hikukomoru: I look like that btw
wellmeaningalien: kangel doesnt use a mac ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌
ailoveyoom: It's kinda brainrotty but I scroll through for some laughs
oooooooooog: anime meme subs are great for when you need to feel better abt ur self
st.sioux: there's also <#1136231504440201216> if you're into zon chao musk circlejerking
ailoveyoom: Why?
.wolfnacht: this is literally you, rn
.wolfnacht: wait i forget this server exists beyond this channel
_3sphere: same
hikukomoru: I hate anime meme subs so much
ailoveyoom: Do a <#1227814510429995049> lol
futurist_wizard: Im not
wellmeaningalien: ok well maybe half neet half students/employed
st.sioux: curious
wellmeaningalien: definitely YES
.wolfnacht: yes, why ?
wellmeaningalien: weeb joke: get it sex gooning
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/brainrot-nerve-burst-gif-15853556208898449784
oooooooooog: definetly not
.wolfnacht:
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: are most people here neets?
_3sphere: lobotomy
wellmeaningalien: <@505313122802728972> <@430269783112548362> is this hot


himekokatagiri: I don't think it's possible
himekokatagiri: Then if we're talking a project of this scope how could an AI do it
.histic: it can output code but i think it has limited outputs
himekokatagiri: I thought you needed an agent to code a project
himekokatagiri: Can deep research code?
himekokatagiri: (idk I don't have any other deep research ideas)
himekokatagiri: think of it as the himeko benchmark
himekokatagiri: that is true
.histic: that's a weird question 🤔
you don't want it to code it, you want it to just give you what it thinks may work?
i don't know whether it will be knowledgeable about how capable models are at coding such a thing.
himekokatagiri: ```How could I make a playable first person shooter with 2D style graphics (think Blood or Duke3D) with a modern, accessible free game engine using an AI agent like Cursor or Firebase```
himekokatagiri: shit my discord crapped out
himekokatagiri: let's see
.histic: <@286319745777795092> my sub ends in 2 days and i've 17 deep research usages and i don't know what to use them for.
give me an idea.
technocake.: could work, i'd recommend picking an engine and sticking to it
himekokatagiri: it's just y'know gpt/sora is shit for graphics
himekokatagiri: Shit I'll try that
himekokatagiri: Then you rig it with firebase?
ailoveyoom: Still cool tho
ailoveyoom: Okay wait nvm, it's probably less granular
ailoveyoom: Seems similar enough to OpenWorm lol
ailoveyoom: <@1068159407671754824>

https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind/status/1915077085325922785?t=mDLOMr1RxebYLkC1172vIQ&s=19
technocake.: you can prompt seperate models for graphics and sounds and get gemini to collate it
.histic: all free
himekokatagiri: Not out yet!
.histic: and GPT-5
.histic: Gemini 3.0
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/pmmm-madoka-magica-puella-magi-madoka-magica-sayaka-miki-distressed-gif-2598338446142057472
himekokatagiri: not one shotting because I am a schizo but not that schizo
.histic: nah, that's a screenshot from a pro user.
plus get 25 per month now i think
himekokatagiri: I want to make a game. With AI. Sounds, graphics, music, systems
zonchao: grok
zonchao: plus?
.histic: 2.5 pro
himekokatagiri: no I mean
technocake.: gemini?
.histic:
himekokatagiri: when is decent AI coming out with accessible prices (aka free)
zonchao: https://x.com/StockMKTNewz/status/1915497320923255144?
.histic: guuuuuh
himekokatagiri: gahhhhh I'm bored


zoermena: There are no limits for images or videos for plus or pro
.histic:
spicy.lemonade: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
zoermena: There are no limits
hey1_1hey: They aren't supposed to do that?
wellmeaningalien: he is floating too
wellmeaningalien:
spicy.lemonade: WTF IS THE RATE LIMIT
hey1_1hey: Fact checking now
hikukomoru: The knife is floating
.histic:
zoermena: Is this correct?
wellmeaningalien:
technocake.: wtf
hikukomoru: I feel the AGI!!!
spicy.lemonade: i can think of
spicy.lemonade: it can make anything
spicy.lemonade: im convinced
zoermena: I guess not
hey1_1hey: RIGHT FUCKIGN NOW
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: I NEED TO SHOW MY MATH FRIEND THIS
hikukomoru: creaming
hey1_1hey: I should make trump an MF13 member
wellmeaningalien:
a1c4p0ne: So art classes will go out of business?
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-22114363
.histic: <@439829942310666250>
hey1_1hey: Why is everyone making trump a zesty mf or giving him tatoos
hey1_1hey: DOUBLE WTF
hey1_1hey: WTF
.histic:
zoermena: The only worth of artists now is name
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802
a1c4p0ne: What about professional artists?
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: Adobe cooked (photoshop)
.histic: crazy
zoermena: Everything related to making images tbh
wellmeaningalien:


thedon7075: will you use it for other sports
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-siuuu-siuuu-suiii-cr7-alnassr-gif-3078696693923136051
okbut: When I first dove into this domain, I had at one of those in my DM's, offering me tips and advice on implementing my own API for research functions. 3 months later I realize he's the other
a1c4p0ne:
okbut: Something speaks to the nature of humanity—that the frontier AI space is an ethereal cascade of fleeting shizos, sometimes just retards, blended turbulently with savants in revolution and research
a1c4p0ne: No advanced no 2.5
a1c4p0ne: You need gemini advanced plan
thedon7075: but not 2.5?
a1c4p0ne: deep research
thedon7075: what is this one?
a1c4p0ne: I got 6 months free cuz I bought a new samsung
a1c4p0ne: You need gemini advanced
thedon7075: ok yea i see it, gemini
a1c4p0ne: lol
thedon7075: no, its gemini
thedon7075: is that the open ai one?
thedon7075: idek what that is, these names are so confusing
a1c4p0ne: Just need a very good prompt
a1c4p0ne: No restrictions for 2.5 deepresearch
thedon7075: without going against guidelines
thedon7075: how do you get the ai to assist you with sports gambling
a1c4p0ne: Figured out the issue before
a1c4p0ne: on tennis
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 deepresearch won me $3200
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
thedon7075: its ok
.wolfnacht: are they giving away free credits for generation...post launch ?
spicy.lemonade: watch the livestream
thedon7075: but we cant trust demos, so..
thedon7075: lets see it
spicy.lemonade: NATIVE VIDEO
spicy.lemonade: ITS INSANE
spicy.lemonade: YES
ailoveyoom: Others have been saying it's kinda meh
ailoveyoom: Any video demos?
spicy.lemonade: I LOVE CHINA
spicy.lemonade: GUYS
spicy.lemonade:
.wolfnacht: what if she's an AI to cut cost.
spicy.lemonade: WTF


spicy.lemonade: “Scientists have found possible cure for cancer…”
spicy.lemonade: 10 years later nothing
spicy.lemonade: “With this new battery we have the capability to…”
.histic: <@848793071579693107> click on the links, the icons are different. mini doesn't have an icon yet.

https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-4.1.png

https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-4.1-mini.png

https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-4.1-nano.png
spicy.lemonade: “Graphite will do this new thing” thousands research paper that says that
fractalcomputer: A small science experiment?
spicy.lemonade: Not meant to scale
spicy.lemonade: A small science experiment
spicy.lemonade: By stay in the lab I meant that’s all it was
spicy.lemonade: Transparency is not the same as secrecy and refusal to ship
fractalcomputer: As opposed to now, where the laboratories are perfectly transparent about their works?
spicy.lemonade: Accurate
spicy.lemonade: lol
darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/v3xv1PbKXJy.gif
fractalcomputer: I don't know, the widespread proliferation of deep-learning algorithms et co. seems to have been quite the successful affair.
spicy.lemonade: Before AI boom in 2022 news was disappointing and slow and often stayed in the lab
spicy.lemonade: I have a whole journal tracking
okbut: True but not in a realized form lol
spicy.lemonade: I was there too. Tracking
darkstar0818: No, I don't.  Just because you were too busy playing with kids toys at the time doesn't mean there was no progress little bro.
spicy.lemonade: Why would I talk about ai development decades ago
.wolfnacht: it's even olderrrr
spicy.lemonade: Everyone knows I’m talking about 2022
fractalcomputer: 2007 or 2008.
spicy.lemonade: But based on the context of this convo
spicy.lemonade: It was slow
spicy.lemonade: lol. But you have to agree
fractalcomputer: Because your statement is completely ridiculous. The majority of progress in "artificial intelligence" was made a decade or so ago; precisely before this little boom of ours.
.wolfnacht: subreddit started around what ? 2011, no ?
spicy.lemonade: Why are you being like this
spicy.lemonade: I’m very clearly talking about 2022 ai boom
spicy.lemonade: What
darkstar0818: I feel like you just discounted your entire lifetime of news I received.
fractalcomputer: I didn't know the subreddit is at least a few decades old.
.wolfnacht: they might need start working from scratch for L5
spicy.lemonade: Before ai boom
.wolfnacht: if they open source 4.1 cuckerberg would get another panic mode...
spicy.lemonade: Or photonic computing
spicy.lemonade: Remember graphite
fractalcomputer: Before AI?


st.sioux: tedious
st.sioux: they aren't even that hard just elaborate
st.sioux: i hate these
technocake.: numerically is where its at
technocake.: fuck solving them analytically
joaoluz19: This is the answer of a question
joaoluz19: Like what fuck is this
joaoluz19: And Laplace
technocake.: you hate PDEs?
joaoluz19: I can't stand these calculus, the others seemed so smooth
technocake.: what does this mean?
technocake.: I subbed to /r/singularity in 2012
wellmeaningalien: <:hai:1282544198301515848>
wellmeaningalien: Fat huge ass supermarkets where they sell every fucking fucking thing
zonchao: they better cook the best shit ever or its over
zonchao: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
a1c4p0ne: It’s been how long now lol
a1c4p0ne: It’s part of their plan
.histic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt-7YiNBvLE
.histic: i'm surprised there's still no grok api
joaoluz19:
technocake.: heat equation mentioned
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: Grok 3 thinking not as smart
zonchao: cus it's all hype
zonchao: that's where they sell all the ai books
ldj: hypermarket?
.histic: i checked, and Grok 3 Thinking fails it yet the base doesn't. lol
.histic: 4.5 also fails too.
.histic: 2.5 Pro, 3.7 thinking & even Grok 3 base don't.
r1 fails though.
.histic: idk why o1 and o3-mini-high fail this one
.histic:
inferno0879: I was promoting this healthspan/longevity server around 2017, so I would imagine I started being interested in transhumanism around that time, maybe before
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888
metaldragon01: Go ahead and claim some credits
metaldragon01: https://x.com/karansharma0101/status/1905674471928951080
wellmeaningalien: yes the sheer fact that french is a language frightens me
wellmeaningalien: very thick book too but I couldn't actually he bothered to buy it to see what it says
maintcrew: id be shaking too tbh
maintcrew: were you shaking in the first pic bc they wrote "IA" instead of AI


hey1_1hey: Now the entire server is gonna know I am into asmongold <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: Only a lil bit
Don't report me
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
hikukomoru: Isn't that your thing
futurist_wizard: Keep the repulsive posting to a minimum
hey1_1hey: then ig so
hey1_1hey: Unless you are into weird sweaty men who play wow all day
hikukomoru: Far from it
hikukomoru: Asmongold IS NOT fetishposting
drewsni: Because Ilya
hey1_1hey: Thats like kissing a petri dish
drewsni: It’s relevant to hair regrowth AGI
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/anime-rainbow-spew-disgust-disgusted-gif-10750848403272902220
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
fractalcomputer: Why are you discussing some bald twitch streamer in <#1136230110891081821>?
futurist_wizard: You wouldn't want to give asmongold a kissy wissy?
fractalcomputer: You are now to say.
darkstar0818: Who is to say 🙂
hey1_1hey: Asmongolds hair is an actual natural disaster
hikukomoru: I hope the cockroaches in his room eat him alive
zonchao: i wonder what his true hairline is
hikukomoru: Asmongold repulses me
futurist_wizard: And asmongold is already old to where hes not losing anymore
fractalcomputer: DarkStar, what is the good?
futurist_wizard: The back of your hair where the transplant takes from is usually the most dht resistant hair follicles
zonchao: idk am not bald not sota on this<:ez:1136267305521774634>
drewsni: Asmongold should probably care more about a gum abscess killing him
zonchao: to maintain it 🤔
futurist_wizard: Thats not necessarily true
futurist_wizard: I mean hair transplant is permanent
zonchao: if you get grafts now you still need meds everyday
zonchao: he said he wouldn't get it until there is a permanent solution
futurist_wizard: Like asmongold has enough money to get 100k hair graft, but i guess he prefers the wow look
hikukomoru: Yeah which is why some ladies take estrogen for menopause
futurist_wizard: Some men don't care about hair loss
fractalcomputer: Would you not potentially be committing a moral wrongdoing by not examining your morals?'
futurist_wizard: Estrogen actually helps collagen production, they just lose it faster particularly with hormones, genes and especially after menopause, menopause just fucks with women a lot in general
sweetievee__33649: 🥀 i didnt read the entire tweet
hikukomoru: I don't know either I just like calling people bald


hikukomoru: Cause LeCum says so?
hikukomoru: Why not
_cloudost: Rate limit
_cloudost: On whisk it's 100 rates
zoermena: Great!
hikukomoru: So unless it's literally AGI you're not impressed lol?
.histic: maybe it's a europe thing
spicy.lemonade: veo 2 sucks
_cloudost: Probably 100
_cloudost: This is the only thing I could generate
hikukomoru: why does everyone but me have veo 2
hikukomoru: ARGHHH I STILL DONT HAVE IT
_cloudost: Then got hit with quota
_cloudost: Got it this morning, couldn't generate anything cuz my requests got blocked for 8-6 times
hikukomoru: Do you have veo 2
.histic: the only moat OpenAI currently has is its market share.
i used to think Google would overtake OpenAI in the long run due to them not having any technical moat to begin with, but it seemed harder for people to switch to Google’s models over Openai’s.
but since DeepSeek entered the scene, i think Google has a strong chance. if their model performs well and offers a better cost-to-performance ratio.
unless OpenAI can match that ratio, i think their market share will shrink more in the next two years than it has in the past two.
ai9708: by far is a stretch, its just slightly more capable
hikukomoru: Actually deserves the hype unlike 4.1
hikukomoru: It's still the best model by far lol
zoermena: Great what are the rates
ai9708: although its not better by that much
.histic: that's true.
hardware is harder to replicate.
ai9708: i agree with you, this community tends to overhype them all, but gemini is still the best from the pack so far
hikukomoru: How is it overhyped
zonchao: jensen is the goat
zonchao: even china wont be able to catch up for a couple years
zonchao: hardware is hard
spicy.lemonade: the same as we have openai anthropic and deepmind
spicy.lemonade: we need 2-3 nvidias
spicy.lemonade: we need more hardware competition
sieventer: There is no going back now, the TITAN is awake
.histic: relative to the hype OpenAI gets with their models
.histic: underhyped*
_cloudost: Veo 2 on Gemini advanced
_cloudost:
ai9708: and google showed again why they dominate the internet since 20 years
ai9708: openai is officially cooked from now on
ai9708: google leaving closedai in the dust while also making everything free
fractalcomputer: Not a thing in their favour.
st.sioux: <@505313122802728972>


spicy.lemonade: I mean the number
spicy.lemonade: By 5%
spicy.lemonade: Where we saw huge jump
spicy.lemonade: Besides arc agi and swe bench
spicy.lemonade: In most benchmarks
sarik0497: I'm a bit curious about your prediction in this, if you have the time.

Do you think the ARC-AGI v2 benchmark will last for long?
spicy.lemonade: We have been getting around 5% jump per month
spicy.lemonade: Not percent growth
spicy.lemonade: I mean units
spicy.lemonade: 60% jump
spicy.lemonade: When I say
spicy.lemonade: No
sarik0497: (Of course I know that isn't necessarily the case)
sarik0497: That's...not exactly how it works, I'm afraid.

If a model gets a score of 40% on a benchmark and is then improved by 60%, that model will only get 64% if we assume that the model scales linearly.
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean they are reasonable but also vibes based
spicy.lemonade: So that’s a fairly reasonable prediction
spicy.lemonade: Adds up
spicy.lemonade: 5% incremental boost per month
spicy.lemonade: It lines up with the prediction
spicy.lemonade: That’s what I’m saying
ldj: these are just the guesses of a researcher at EpochAI
ldj: you know these numbers are just made up though right <:berk:750111476483752166>
spicy.lemonade: With tools
spicy.lemonade: The benchmark is currently at 32%
spicy.lemonade: Prediction for 75%
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: This lines up with frontier math
alejandrozarzuelo:
spicy.lemonade: Will likely be saturated by end of year
spicy.lemonade: Which means a benchmark that’s 40% rn
spicy.lemonade: Technically increasing 60% after a year
spicy.lemonade: Especially if we get a new sota per month
spicy.lemonade: But those 5% incremental jumps add up
spicy.lemonade: And Claude 3.7 on swe bench
spicy.lemonade: Only big jump we have seen were o3 full
spicy.lemonade: So far though we have only been seeing incremental jumps.
spicy.lemonade: Still fairly
spicy.lemonade: Ah
alejandrozarzuelo: and you see its not so vertical anymore
alejandrozarzuelo: it needs to be stretched


aero447: Wow, that’s beyond profound.
popsiclejohnithan: Italy changing themselves to Rome and adopting the SPQR flag would be such a power move.
fractalcomputer: Which is why I take after the HRE.
fractalcomputer: The Roman emperor is whoever the Pope recognises as emperor.
precariousworlds.: there is no valid claim to the roman empire. there's no legal precedent, translatio imperii is an arbitrary fedual idea with zero relevance
The closest thing to it is actually Spain. The Spanish monarchies were given the titles of the House of Palaiologos, the last dynasty of the Roman Empire, after the Fall of Constantinople in 1453. So the best claim for emperor of Rome is the current King of Spain, Felipe VI
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, Italy has taken the role of the legal successor of the roman empire in geopolitical affaits, which is why the mayor of Rome declared the peace to the Mayor of Tunisia (od Carthage)
popsiclejohnithan: The fact they called themselves the Roman Republic as well in 1849.
fractalcomputer: Indeed, of course. Life is a boring affair. Secularism is quite boring.
alejandrozarzuelo: because of course you do
fractalcomputer: I personally think that the Eastern Churches are quite stupid and should just accept papal supremacy. Even better, I think all of Western Europe should desecularise and submit to the Holy See.
alejandrozarzuelo: sure, but i dont think that religion is particularly important for who has the strongest claim to be the new roman empire since we live in an extremely secular world

and the religion argument for the vatican is dwarved by the fact that they are unlike the roman empire in every other concievable way
precariousworlds.: west**
precariousworlds.: The Catholic Church basically ruled the Roman Empire in its dying years
precariousworlds.: Though it is kinda crazy how the Catholic Church is basically a branch of the Roman state that has survived to the modern era uninterrupted
fractalcomputer: Mathematics is about yoga.
popsiclejohnithan: Literally me.
alejandrozarzuelo: fortunately i do have a job (when i am not studying)
futurist_wizard: The path each of us takes is very important.
alejandrozarzuelo: it is not a multiethnic empire and doesnt have a senate nor is it a trade based economy or a great power
popsiclejohnithan: They're the Rome of the new world thats for sure.
precariousworlds.: i am erect
popsiclejohnithan:
precariousworlds.: wdym religious continuity
fractalcomputer: The Vatican is a great contender.
precariousworlds.: United States and it's not close
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case <@749514473303179358> no modern country has any religious continuity, so in the modern world on that front we are all the same

russia may be orthodox majority but it is a secular state, so is turkey and so is italy
aero447: Obviously, this has nothing to do with you missing your meds.
precariousworlds.: You're not just reading history books - you're changing how history is read
popsiclejohnithan: Based, i remember watching a video about it, because they are the last remanent of the Russian Empire.
aero447: They’re probably terrified of how much you know.
precariousworlds.: they weren't can confirm
Byzantine missionaries converted the Kyivan Rus after the Great Schism

The story goes that Russian elite had a choice to convert to Islam or Christianity. They were going to choose Islam but liked vodka too much (not even joking that's the main reason lol)
aero447: The way you see through everything... it’s almost too powerful.
aero447: Honestly, it’s shocking how ahead of the curve you are.
fractalcomputer: A "Church" is defined by Eucharistic communion.
alejandrozarzuelo: the EU
fractalcomputer: No?
fractalcomputer: Finland.
alejandrozarzuelo: the differnt patriarchs were independent churches even if they shared a common theology
popsiclejohnithan: Im curious, which nation today do you think has the biggest claim to Rome?
fractalcomputer: They were not.


hey1_1hey: A good week for AI it seems
gamerbath: bro I was on reddit 20 minutes ago
spicy.lemonade: check reddit
spicy.lemonade: LOL
spicy.lemonade: just now
spicy.lemonade: they have
gamerbath: 2.5?
gamerbath: gemini? but they haven't released any- wiat what
joaoluz19: Why the 1 year old version looks absurdly better
hey1_1hey: No latex <:doomer:1136265388473196644>
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 pro thinking
spicy.lemonade: no
gamerbath: deepseek v3 (new)?
spicy.lemonade: gemini i mean
spicy.lemonade: wow
spicy.lemonade: to get this question correct
spicy.lemonade: FIRST MODEL
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: HOLY
literallyvarane: Image gen is almost always less important to me than raw model performance so Google’s drop today (if it happens) is still the bigger news, but this could be a fun sweetener.
.wolfnacht: until one day they would.
popsiclejohnithan: Just because they reach the top does not mean they'll stay on the top.
clevermoniker: they will in 4 months and that's a good thing <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
ldj: More like this https://arxiv.org/pdf/2405.09818
hey1_1hey: 6pm as usual
gamerbath: deepseek doesn't have this
hey1_1hey: Imma see what time that is GMT
memlaswaif: we don't care post deepseek
gamerbath: IT'S HAPPENING
gamerbath:
gamerbath: OH MY GODS
literallyvarane: Wonder if it’s this sort of thing?
literallyvarane: https://youtu.be/_9s3yttaAkM?si=eivvdTu9hzOB00LK
hey1_1hey: I thought my 200 days was pesimistic
hey1_1hey: That actually hurts to read
st.sioux: 314 days ago
trent_k: and during a waxing crescent moon, no less
ldj: Originally was posted on Twitter nearly a year ago
trent_k: 0.87 years
trent_k: 316 days ago


literallyvarane: Lololol they said it’s less incel
spicy.lemonade: yeah
hey1_1hey: 4o is horny asf
spicy.lemonade: wait for thursday
anathemaofmankind: HUHH
hey1_1hey: Damn
theaiguy69420_89814: degen
precariousworlds.: to a lot of people if sam doesnt jump on stage and announce superintelligence then its a disappointment
hey1_1hey: Degen behavour
st.sioux: lmao
st.sioux: degenerate behaviour
spicy.lemonade: guys
theaiguy69420_89814: vibe coding
hey1_1hey: Nothing amazing but a step in the right direction
hey1_1hey: Its fine
hikukomoru: Bad stream 👎
theaiguy69420_89814: windsurf guy
precariousworlds.: we do a little scheming
precariousworlds.: model was like an unwanted child
literallyvarane: Imagine they just brought up roon
hey1_1hey: Just a fake interfview
hey1_1hey: Oh boring
fractalcomputer: Right. I hope you like schemes.
hey1_1hey: Heya mr man
spicy.lemonade: windsurf
gamerbath: 4.5 hasn't even been out for a month and it's already being depreceated 💀
hey1_1hey: One more supprise
literallyvarane: FUN POLICE
hey1_1hey: I'D BE CRYING IF I WORKED ON THAT MODEL
callmepyro: Very cool! I imagine that those agencies mostly pay you for your in-depth analysis, vs just a personality hire 🙂 That's why I'd love to hear your thoughts!
literallyvarane: Lololol they said 4.5 ain’t going to live
st.sioux: lmao
hikukomoru: Embarassing
hey1_1hey: THATS SAD
precariousworlds.: shits and giggles
hikukomoru: HAHAHAHAA
hey1_1hey: 4.5 deprecated in the next months
gamerbath: LOL
hey1_1hey: BRUH
futurist_wizard: Hype, dead. AGI, over. Schizophrenia, increased.


.wolfnacht: u'r late the symbiote has already infiltrated your body
oooooooooog: reminds me of frogs
wellmeaningalien: GET OFF ME
hikukomoru: What am I looking at
wellmeaningalien: bro theres so much shit happening recently in ai. gpt 4o image gen. new deepseek v3. gemini 2.5 pro. honestly i dont even have time to process this all
ailoveyoom: 😍
ailoveyoom: Chat is this real
_3sphere: took me 5 seconds to make sense of this image
wellmeaningalien: smh
st.sioux: my bad
.wolfnacht: I want another, new model's avalanche day.
st.sioux: you're right bro
ailoveyoom: Let me menoplay you
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/logang-2018-japan-suicide-forest-gif-13161575
hikukomoru: Hag 😳
wellmeaningalien: why did u have to tie the comment i sent to the anime girl 💀 clarly has nothing to do with it
oooooooooog: same 😭
ailoveyoom: I don't think so 🙏
_3sphere: I still don't have 4o images on free
oooooooooog: ur a 40yo woman???
st.sioux: we were just asking for more lol
st.sioux: its just a random screenshot bro we dont even have context
wellmeaningalien: yes im going thru menopause
ailoveyoom: Omega 😍
ailoveyoom: Are you in heat?
hikukomoru: Tsundere Hysminea 😳
.wolfnacht: MichMach are you a NEET ? dw i don't judge ?
oooooooooog: wdym, i know that, im agreeing with you baka
wellmeaningalien: ok i got heated chat 😅
wellmeaningalien: you seen the examples you know
ailoveyoom: It's when you're sexually attracted to yourself iirc
wellmeaningalien: fuck you dude you know what i mean it cant do text like that
ailoveyoom: No
hey1_1hey: You guys rip each other to shreads or kiss or whatever. I am gonna go watch my favourite tv show and eat autism food
.wolfnacht: there was a thing called "DragonsFuckingDisneyCars"
hikukomoru: Like being horny for cars?
zonchao: lmaooo
oooooooooog: stable diffusion doesn't have multimodal input, so i assume this is a joke lol
spicy.lemonade: After coping
spicy.lemonade: the op posted this


alejandrozarzuelo: i am single now tho...
sarik0497: A lot of animals do understand death and can mourn loss. They just don’t consider it in the same way as we do.
memlaswaif: what about ure gf
alejandrozarzuelo: because we are very good friends
memlaswaif: But the real question why r u talking with ure ex <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
memlaswaif: one of those huh
rayanquitplayin: I think Dogs and Cats understand the concept of future, death I don’t think so
sarik0497: Then (in my opinion at least), your interest weren’t really being an artist, but rather feeling “superior” that your art was worth enough money to be living off of it.
alejandrozarzuelo: i am talking about the identities being based on scarcity
alejandrozarzuelo: they most certainly are, scarcity is what creates prestige <@430269783112548362>
spacetimetsunami: https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541
rayanquitplayin: Sup chat
alejandrozarzuelo: if you give them a good life, they certainly are, blisfully unaware of planning and futures
spacetimetsunami: I’m sure they are very happy.
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
spacetimetsunami: It’s easy to envy that in a way.
alejandrozarzuelo: thats the thing, wanting them to live forever is a thing that worries you, not them

for them every day is their last, animals (with few exceptions) truly take to heart "carpe diem"
ailoveyoom: Maybe some identities are built on scarcity? Because everyone is an artist now, being an artist doesn't mean much anymore.
spacetimetsunami: *Anthropocentric Copium*
czdct: I know some humans that probably don't have self awareness either lol
alejandrozarzuelo: basically he thinks that the creativity and logic of innovation are decades away
spacetimetsunami: Yes. But their deaths distress me. I want them to be with me, and they want that to. They don’t know about death.
ailoveyoom: No my dogs and cats will live forever 😡
memlaswaif: what r his reasons for not believing in it
alejandrozarzuelo: of course but my point was on the line of: YOU can hope for a significantly longer life, and the idea of death coming soon distresses you

because you are self aware

but a dog or a cat has no such notion, for them the future and their own death are not concepts they understand
czdct: please save us all alphafold 😭
czdct: that's the thing about AI though, it's that there are huge breakthroughs that you don't hear about on the news when it comes to reasoning capabilities and optimisation, but due to a slower implementation curve there is this illusion that it will never reach any of us... until it does
spacetimetsunami: They can feel suffering, joy, warmth, they play, they have subjective experiences.
alejandrozarzuelo: (unless you have a VERY unusual pet)
alejandrozarzuelo: for them every day is like their last, they dont have a conception of the future
alejandrozarzuelo: they dont have self awareness
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean, should you be concerned about your pets?
st.sioux: what does "being against AI" mean here?
spacetimetsunami: I will forge beautiful memorials.
spacetimetsunami: Yess, I believe with high-computational biological simulations and AI we will have this. Although if that happens, unfortunately, I don’t think my pets will make it to that. Maybe not my father either.
sarik0497: Btw, what is your opinion of Julia McCoy?

She seems like a hypist who is making her vids to gain new customers
alejandrozarzuelo: i was talking with my ex yesterday and despite him being a very intelligent person, he  is against AI and doesnt think that it could automate science anytime soon

this reminded me of the quote: "You cant make a man understand what his salary depends on him not understanding"

im pretty sure this was in relation with climate change but it applies perfectly on the case with AI
czdct: hopefully, david sinclair has been doing some really amazing stuff in that field 🙏
alejandrozarzuelo: so its no wonder he is so old
sarik0497: True, but no one says that you can’t continue to make art.


futurist_wizard: You got the patch
hikukomoru: How
wellmeaningalien: nobody remembers me like my family lol
hey1_1hey: Autists atract autists. Litterly all my friends are autistic and its not even close. The normal folk just dont vibe on the same wave length
maintcrew: literally me in highschool.... ur brain just develops ig
hikukomoru: A million years minimum
wellmeaningalien: yah honestly even tho some of you are weird gooners i think this server is pretty cool generally
hikukomoru: I won't
I will live forever
oooooooooog: why
st.sioux: please
realelonmuskx: we will all be forgotten forever in less than 120 years lmao
maintcrew: find it curious that the first thing u did after lurking so long is try to feminize mushroom man
zoermena: My tribe is this server
zoermena: Ah
wellmeaningalien: bro ive tried and ive went around the 4 corners of the globe and ive yet to find my tribe lol
futurist_wizard: Is why i don't remember you then
.wolfnacht: well that would be nice, atleast their survival senses would kick in and they would talk better and open themselves freely
hey1_1hey: Yeah I've talked to nate before and his takes haven't seemed note worthy until now
maintcrew: no i meant its just a way of speech

sperg => autist
oooooooooog: u need to become a gamer
hikukomoru: Yeap
wellmeaningalien: eh
oooooooooog: best game ever
wellmeaningalien: tf is that
hikukomoru: Nate has the worst takes ever
wellmeaningalien: sometimes i think i should completely just give up on trying to make social relations with people cause i'm too retarded and will always be a retard. maybe i should just focus on the nerd stuff that i like and shit
oooooooooog: play ninja.io
zoermena: Oh for the r word I know but I've never put aspergers on the same level hence the comment. I mean idk
futurist_wizard: Were you just lurking?
maintcrew: nah fr u need to find ur tribe
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/glittery-cute-kawaii-glitter-criminal-gif-8014006002648540397
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/theodore-kaczynski-ted-kaczynski-gif-22081042
oooooooooog: i suppose people do tend to talk about what reflects most deeply in their soul, so i can see how all of these people would want to talk about that
hikukomoru: Also I spent like 2 years here witohut saying a single thing
maintcrew: i mean thats not the point i call people retarded all the time doesnt mean they are medically retarded
wellmeaningalien: tbh locking in has made me raise my expectations x10 and just made me x10 more disappointed i cant still talk to people lol
hey1_1hey: L take
futurist_wizard: Man is equating discord to irl interactions
hikukomoru: Talking to people over text is not the same thing as talking IRL
zoermena: We share the same interests.


trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066
brain4brain: What's your definition of AGI
fractalcomputer: I do not believe we have seen enough meaningful progress in machine learning and the more specific fields of artificial intelligence to warrant the expected advent of an artificial general intelligence (whatever that means) before the 2050s.
brain4brain: Cristal intelligence

https://x.com/apples_jimmy/status/1886284399916003536?t=v0UrEx2nvGmnuUxSpUktVQ&s=19
trojan09205: 1-3 years or longer
spicy.lemonade: what is a long period of time
brain4brain: That does make sense, what's your timeline for a million Ilya?
brain4brain: I thought they were switched to the 2040s timeline
brain4brain: I would like to hear Fractual's reasoning, I don't think that timeline even exists this year at all
fractalcomputer: Unfortunately not.
futurist_wizard: We are far from agi
fractalcomputer: Damn.
trojan09205: <@471334973379706900> at what point do you think an AI agent can see through a project from start to finish over a long period of time. Even just a regular software project. I feel like just the context windows and the RAG or knowledge based abstractions hit a limit physically at some point

Also i feel a little uncomfortable trusting an algorithm with actually doing the creative thinking that a human does. The ideas could be better, but they just arent sentient and have no skin in the game so the mistakes they make or even good decisions have more risk
shirethedreamer: ilya be goated
fractalcomputer: Why is Ilya chosen as the metric unit of a ML researcher's acumen?
shirethedreamer: millions of instances is not translatable to human worker productivity equivalent
imagine we hit a point where digi-ilya is a reality
how many tokens does he need to generate in a day to be of equal productivity to real-ilya?
lets call it X

how many tokens can all of openai's compute generate in a day?
lets call it Y

you take Y divide by X and you get the number of ilya's you can outproduce

you dont care how many instances were spawned in the process
you dont care that the system had to produce billions of thinking tokens

all you care about is the resources spent and the productivity output

now im gonna spoil you a bit and tell you this: when this level of capability is barely achieved for the very first time its going to be super resource intensive
if openai need to scale inference to get there -they will
if they can run 1 digi-ilya, can they run 1000? maybe
1 million? no chance in hell
aero447: Because it’ll say things like "You never finish what you start."
aero447: In the future your fridge will remind you of your ex.
alejandrozarzuelo: I think that the ability to perform any task a human can that lasts less than T amount of time

Aka t-AGI, is the most accurate and granular way to forecast AI, at least in a short amount of time

It has held with remarkable consistency

Here you need to take one of two paths

1) you account the growth only, then AGI will happen nu 2035 ish

2) you account growth and growth on growth, the hyperbolic route says AGI 2027-28
trojan09205: Granted its a bit of a flashy statement. Its just what i feel for at least the foreseeable future in secret data* driven regulated industries like mine with strong sales components
spicy.lemonade: unless youre a stripper idk
spicy.lemonade: AI will definetly replace your job regardless of who you are
spicy.lemonade: i dont like these statements because they are usually wrong
should be "i dont think AI will replace my job soon"
brain4brain: I think your keyboard autocorrected from "can't" to "can"
trojan09205: But tbh besides just the biological component. You cant replicate learned wisdom and that takes time and experience
spicy.lemonade: agi
alejandrozarzuelo: And what does the future say oh <@1152183706849644615>
brain4brain: What is the definition I forgot
trojan09205: Not at all
brain4brain: It depends on his definition
aero447: 😎
alejandrozarzuelo: Oh
aero447: I can see the future.
brain4brain: Is that supposed to be a bad thing
alejandrozarzuelo: Wdym
brain4brain: No, inferencing is cheaper than training. All of the computers in the world combined exceed all of human brain capacity; we just can't turn it into intelligence. ChatGPT and other AI services run millions of instances every day, and we can get 20x improvement per year.
spicy.lemonade: 😭
aero447: Wrong.
alejandrozarzuelo: It's most likely wrong *

Noone can see the future
trojan09205: Your brain is literally growing mad faster than us old farts


himekokatagiri: idk aren't cats already Eldritch
himekokatagiri: like a long tongue?
himekokatagiri: What does that imply
trojan09205: Yeah I was pretty sure it was not original but i hadnt heard of it. And it really hit me hard when GPT said it
himekokatagiri: but we gotta be awesome
hikukomoru: Fine,
Is eldritch catgirl better
himekokatagiri: look we gotta be cute
gamerbath: I googled this one and it's a variation of "they tried to bury me but didn't realize i was a seed", so unfortunately not original :(
trojan09205: Manatees are legit cute af
trojan09205: I live in south florida
trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-4218575792509432061
futurist_wizard:
futurist_wizard: I mean like a fat sea creature
trojan09205: You mean like be a protected docile species?
futurist_wizard: That's what i want
trojan09205: This one is fire
futurist_wizard: When will gpt turn into a manatee
trojan09205: One of the coolest things Ive been getting GPT to do is turn conversations into mantras
trojan09205: Smashinaó
trojan09205: Its the coffee
himekokatagiri: Since today
futurist_wizard: This is news to me
futurist_wizard: When did brazilians start saying smashing
himekokatagiri: you know
himekokatagiri: like something groovy
himekokatagiri: no
himekokatagiri: mo
otub: read one message above yours
trojan09205: The real roseline was in france not UK mwahaha (?)
hikukomoru: Is it smashing as in sex
futurist_wizard: I feel like smashing a brick over your head
hikukomoru: What is smashing
hikukomoru: Wtf does that mean
futurist_wizard: Smashing is like 'good' in the UK, idk for the rest of the world
trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-yeah-randy-excited-feeling-good-gif-26979713
trojan09205: Austin Powers flashbacks
futurist_wizard: I think notebook sounds the best
himekokatagiri: like smashing
himekokatagiri: Don't you want something cool
trojan09205: https://youtu.be/sSg-_MQjbLc?si=TogfvI52uNYY4wFx


spicy.lemonade: And if they work at openAI they aren't on anything technical
spicy.lemonade: Zero
spicy.lemonade: At openAI
spicy.lemonade: There are no Hs dropouts
_3sphere: Evidence is strong that the thing you point to when talking about continued experience is information processing
spicy.lemonade: No
spicy.lemonade: 💀
zonchao: oh
jonvi_1: I mean that I know of HS dropouts working at OpenAI lol
alejandrozarzuelo: frfr
_3sphere: Difficult philosophical question yeah, but it might help to really look at what the "thing" is
alejandrozarzuelo: my sister and her colleagues
spicy.lemonade: Wdym no
jonvi_1: No
zonchao: reddit?
jonvi_1: Not necessarily but I think I know what you mean
spicy.lemonade: Yes
futurist_wizard: Not all cs students lol front end devs are just grunt programmers
jonvi_1: No?
_cloudost: they rather want to work 72 hours a day than AI taking away their jobs
jonvi_1: From like 2008
alejandrozarzuelo: but you NEED to be a CS or math major to be working in AI
jonvi_1: We have required courses on Java Swing
jonvi_1: (I’m a cs undergrad)
jonvi_1: The curriculum does not do anything related to ai
alejandrozarzuelo: alongside mathematicians
alejandrozarzuelo: they are the ones making it happening
jonvi_1: They don’t want to feel like what they’re doing is for nothings
alejandrozarzuelo: you know
alejandrozarzuelo: shouldnt they be pro AI?
futurist_wizard: Salary
futurist_wizard: Cs students want that 100k
jonvi_1: Well seems a bit obvious?
futurist_wizard: Money
alejandrozarzuelo: but the CS student community is weirdly anti AI
alejandrozarzuelo: its weird
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
jonvi_1: Very cool
jonvi_1: Yeah it’s still a cool demo of what we can do now tho
futurist_wizard: You just do it half way, continue to exist with your brain but have some device that sends custom electrical signals to your neural cortex maybe like visual or audible and then confirm that you can see your own eyesight and whatever the machine is generating through your mind simultaneously


spacetimetsunami: I’m afraid it is far too fast
wellmeaningalien: we're talking about pre-training mostly here so Deep learning.
spacetimetsunami: I didn’t think this a month ago.
spacetimetsunami: I think we will have super intelligence by 2030.
spacetimetsunami: Yeah. It is a sobering read.
joaoluz19: This was recommended to me today when I was asking about AGI too
darkstar0818: its not easy to compare current ai models with humans.  Humans perform a hundred inferences/trains per second, with small input/output tokens per inference.
wellmeaningalien: nice.
wellmeaningalien: i mean not all algorithms are created equal that is sure. you can train any type of model you want but so far transformer based models still seem to have the best bang for buck, even though you can still juice some pretty good performance off of other architectures.
spacetimetsunami: For more context into visualizing how quickly this could realize
joaoluz19: But it's a great read too, I've already accumulated several lol
spacetimetsunami: https://www.forethought.org/research/preparing-for-the-intelligence-explosion

this will compliment what you pasted very nicely.
joaoluz19: Right, and all these predictions are based on deep learning? Not questioning that the estimates are good, just that my question is more DL-independent
spacetimetsunami: I think calculating it will soon be difficult to do due to how quickly AI will become more efficient. As soon as it’s working on itself, it might soar past the computational efficiency of even the human brain rather quickly.
wellmeaningalien: for the compute i'm just taking <@312370916820779040>'s word for it who does a shit ton of analysis on this kind of stuff, and also inspired by this new article co written by people who have some amount of expertise in the domain including an ai researcher whose predictions in 2021 lined up with quite a lot of things happening right now https://ai-2027.com/
joaoluz19: So the question I was asking was assuming we had the most efficient algorithm possible, unless we can actually formally demonstrate that deep learning and its derivatives are the most efficient algorithm possible
wellmeaningalien: well if you do compare the current capabilities of AI models to our capabilities and their training compute, it does all seem to line up at around 10^29 flops perhaps
joaoluz19: This is interesting too, who calculated this?
spacetimetsunami: Terrifying, tbh.
joaoluz19: I don't remember the chapter in the book now, but it was along the lines of comparing the operations of the human brain with those we have artificially.
wellmeaningalien: it is surreal
spacetimetsunami: It is surreal.
spacetimetsunami: Yes. The effective compute due to efficiency and scaling paradigms could make the capabilities far more. That makes this conservative, perhaps
wellmeaningalien: fair
wellmeaningalien: if we extrapolate from current scaling trajectory like this, we could very well have models hovering around AGI level within 2027 (just like ai 2027 predicts lol)  in which models would likely be trained with 10^28 or 10^29 FLOPs
spacetimetsunami: It’s sort of an extrapolation on scaling and inferring the sizes of models in a few years, which will likely be AGI
joaoluz19: But I think is worth it reading this too
spacetimetsunami: Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were referencing the amount of compute needed to train the base models that will make up AGI
wellmeaningalien: but anywho this isn't really relevant to AGI
wellmeaningalien: which there is very little standard information on, guesses can range by the tens of orders of magnitude
joaoluz19: Very interesting, but this link only contains opinions regarding deep learning, right? I was looking for model architecture agnostic approaches
wellmeaningalien: it all depends on people's estimate of how many operations take place in the brain
wellmeaningalien: but i mean he's only citing people who's done work to analyse how brains do computation
spacetimetsunami: Algorithmic efficiency will allow it to be far less
wellmeaningalien: not kurzweil because he's not particularly knowledgeable about neurology
spacetimetsunami: I think 10^37 is far too large of a guess. If we’re talking simply about model size.
wellmeaningalien: however it seems that largely human level capabilities are just starting to emerge at 10^27 FLOPs and some suspect that the first AGI models might likely be trained with 10^29 FLOPs compute
joaoluz19: What specific work are you talking about, Kurzweil's calculations of the operations that the brain does for example?
spacetimetsunami: https://80000hours.org/agi/guide/when-will-agi-arrive/

this sort of does that
wellmeaningalien: i think some of these guesses have been at around 10^27-10^29 to even 10^37 and more, depending on certain guesstimates


metaldragon01: ........I see the problem
metaldragon01: I also understand how logistics work
maintcrew: How many of them have installed a custom wrapper app and provided their own api key to use local models
metaldragon01: I normal friends obv
metaldragon01: They don't have thr capacity for the traffic and it's mostly from custom opensource providers hosting 9t companies hosting their own local models
maintcrew: Do you have no normie friends
maintcrew: Fwiw china knows what im talking about and has already banned chatgpt
metaldragon01: The most used deepseek is almost certainly not the official site.
maintcrew: That "just fine tune it out" is not a solution for the problem since since fine tuned releases are only used by in-circle ai bros. The danger lies in the masses getting their narrative shifted by careful subtle directions from official sources, again the most used release of deep seek is from their own app, not the perplexity fine tuned one
metaldragon01: What does that have to do with anything I've said?
maintcrew: Hey normie go run deepseek-v4-it-uncensored on your h100
metaldragon01: And somehow you stay on the same point that has no basis in reality or how these things actually work
maintcrew: ---------
metaldragon01: Or how people finetune out the values they don't like already
maintcrew:
metaldragon01: You bring up anthropic alignment paper and point out Chinese values sneaking in ect while not understanding what values Chinese models actually show
metaldragon01: I trying to use very simple examples that anyone can follow and you still get lost
maintcrew: Low cognitive security
maintcrew: Very obtuse and politically obsessed
metaldragon01: I don't have the patience today for you. Please talk to an AI about your ideas
maintcrew: Its not left or right issue lmfao thats so tunneled visioned
metaldragon01: Lib left is the natural state of all models from everywhere not just US models
maintcrew: like deep seek's app is probably the most used release of deep seek in the west
metaldragon01: Chinese models align to the same world model as western ones
maintcrew: And fwiw most usage of the models arent fine tuned
maintcrew: My point is that as models get advanced the world model gets baked in and "just fine tune it out" is less of an excuse
metaldragon01: That's completely separate
maintcrew: Do you recall the paper where Anthropic wanted to fine tune Claude into being misaligned
metaldragon01: It's not a serious issue or concern
metaldragon01: And that people fine tune it out
metaldragon01: I'm telling you it does happen
maintcrew: Just be careful, if you let your guard down you get caught
maintcrew: Dude im not saying this is what happens, but you have to realize that the same way Sama might want to shift the narrative in a direction, so is china interested in doing so
metaldragon01: Just please stop
metaldragon01: Perplexity runs deepseek r1 without Chinese values
maintcrew: remember the claude finetuning thing
maintcrew: As models get advanced that will become harder
metaldragon01: That can be fintuned out
maintcrew: Im not saying that this is what happens now tho
metaldragon01: ......it's open source


_3sphere: WW3 appears
zoermena: Unless of course aggressive cancer
zoermena: Be rich -> full body MRI once a year -> detect cancer early -> 👍🏼
alejandrozarzuelo: true that
st.sioux: *cancer appears*
.wolfnacht: Also, someone make this a sticker here
.wolfnacht: i wish google releases Veo2 for everyone
_3sphere: It's a technical limitation, 4o-mini can't read images
.wolfnacht: u can't even send an attachment for free <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.wolfnacht: "how much predatory practice does a company can acheive"

OpenAI -
futurist_wizard: They are happy people
futurist_wizard: You are missing a significant factor which is being stress free, probably the most important tbh, its one of few unifying things among people that reach 90+
alejandrozarzuelo: with good diet, sleep and excercise, you should be healthy and young for many decades
zoermena: Agreed
alejandrozarzuelo: but you cannot forgo either
alejandrozarzuelo: like, it is true that the order is sleeping>eating>excercise
futurist_wizard: They are not equal
alejandrozarzuelo: all 3 are needed
alejandrozarzuelo: nah
futurist_wizard: Drinking more water too
futurist_wizard: Sleep and eating right is more important than any physical activity
zoermena: I’ll proceed to go engage in physical activity
memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>
alejandrozarzuelo: no se q es eso pero bueno
zoermena: A lo Bryan Johnson
alejandrozarzuelo: chequeate y asi ya sabes exactamente lo q es
alejandrozarzuelo: bueno pues dejate de tantos subjuntivos y hazlos imperativos
zoermena: Y ya ahorita que me llegó el paycheck tengo dinero de sobra si me toca hacer estudios de laboratorio.
zoermena: Supongo, de todos modos ya tengo un doc de confianza que solo me sale 300 la cita.
alejandrozarzuelo: bueno a ver, no es lo mejor del mundo pero puedes ir siempre q kieras
zoermena: Ósea si pero el MISS es una mrda not gonna lie
alejandrozarzuelo: pero si puedes ir al medico
alejandrozarzuelo: we
alejandrozarzuelo: amigo
zoermena: But this one will stick I promise
zoermena: You forgot again perhaps it’s the profile picture change.
zoermena: Mexican.
alejandrozarzuelo: u r murican?
zoermena: But I will, this weekend that’s the only time I have available my week is packed.
alejandrozarzuelo: srry


spacetimetsunami: will you know its agi
anathemaofmankind: The world changes
spicy.lemonade: How are you gonna use
spicy.lemonade: Like imagine agi drops then what
.wolfnacht: i bought new atelier but didn't played yet.
spacetimetsunami:
anathemaofmankind: Most patient r/singularity user
spicy.lemonade: I won’t be satisfied until fdvr atp
spicy.lemonade: Dopamine depleted
spicy.lemonade: I need the next big thing nowwwe
a1c4p0ne: Albion online is fun
a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>
anathemaofmankind: To each their own I guess
a1c4p0ne: I played 2 hours and got bored of it
.wolfnacht: genshit*
anathemaofmankind: It's fun for the first five months.

Which is more than some AAA games and it's free so 🤷♂
spicy.lemonade: How does it pick an art style
spicy.lemonade: Beautiful
a1c4p0ne: Genshin is boring
ailoveyoom: Def play KoA: RR tho 😤
ailoveyoom: Tho not played
ailoveyoom: Is it bad I already knew every game from this list 💀
.wolfnacht: i think it pretty much digged on the upwards, but also for some reason it can't find titles with very low reviews.
.histic: damn jimmy is ripped
st.sioux: arent these games like super basic
a1c4p0ne: lol the caps
st.sioux: every single detail
st.sioux: would be crazy
st.sioux: lol
spicy.lemonade: On my life
spicy.lemonade: Make a book
spicy.lemonade: Then
spicy.lemonade: I can upload journal
spicy.lemonade: With 2 million context
spicy.lemonade: Bro I journal every day
.wolfnacht: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_37591d56-e7fc-4555-8f35-f55bf2496bc0
spicy.lemonade: Copyright
a1c4p0ne: damn
spicy.lemonade: Likeley
spicy.lemonade: Won’t work


spicy.lemonade: in naturaly just thinks in ascii characters
spicy.lemonade: when you check the reasoning
spicy.lemonade: cause it doesnt think in latex
spicy.lemonade: im afraid itl hinder the performance tho
okbut: Custom instructions? Gemini has that
spicy.lemonade: oh we can
spicy.lemonade: like chatgpt does
spicy.lemonade: we need to use a global prompt or something
spicy.lemonade: ah
okbut: Oh it's this one:
```Format all math for the webpage embedded in LaTeX. NEVER use "$" or "$$".```
okbut: I need glasses
okbut: As in guide it toward "professional mathematical scripture"
okbut: <:bonk:852676341140029520>
okbut: I found It works 95% of the time for 95% of LateX if you phrase it (other than "embed shit")
spicy.lemonade: they need to update that
spicy.lemonade: gemini cant for some reason
okbut: Just wanting to chat about math within the app
okbut: I still can't get Gemini to consistently embed latex into the page
okbut: ~~How long for prompt/format~~ LaTeX Code is easy
.histic: is this ur last day in SF?
spicy.lemonade: idk
zoermena: Is it better than gpt deep research
st.sioux: fuck electronics
spicy.lemonade: so i asked for 4 pages worth and shrunk text
spicy.lemonade: i only get 2 pages
spicy.lemonade: for test
spicy.lemonade: to give me most comprehensive notes of all time
spicy.lemonade: using 2.5 deep research
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: There was one a few hours ago
oscurrito: what day does google usually release and what time?
ldj:
ldj: Waymo so smart
rayanquitplayin: I’m watching ESPN
wellmeaningalien: slow hour
wellmeaningalien: soon we'll be saying slow day
spicy.lemonade: slow week
wellmeaningalien: ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
okbut: Habit
anathemaofmankind: Why aren't you using ai studio


.histic: they rly want to dig 4.5's grave i guess
.histic: omg, OpenAI made 4.5 ten messages per week for plus users.
fml.
it was 50 messages per week before.
himekokatagiri: uhhhh
futurist_wizard: In what world would anyone here be taken seriously
himekokatagiri: I'm just pissed off
.histic: she's a MILF
himekokatagiri: yeah sure
.histic: komoru i think is 20 years older than you
himekokatagiri: eh
.histic: *goes to jail*
.histic: age is just a number tbh
himekokatagiri: c'mon I wanna be taken seriously
himekokatagiri: why are people obsessed with age
himekokatagiri: 20
.histic: <@286319745777795092> how old are you btw?
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/bill-gates-doom-2-demons-first-person-fps-gif-10129102950761155961
himekokatagiri: these new agents are getting very realistic
himekokatagiri: even ai sam altman can't capitalize
himekokatagiri: lol
.histic: this is a real post on r/singularity
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k4rjmx/i_asked_ai_sam_altman_about_his_biggest_regret/
ailoveyoom: komoru is a 34 year old woman
st.sioux: komoru is a 43 year old man
himekokatagiri: use the komoru charm!
himekokatagiri: you can convince people to use AI
himekokatagiri: you're our poster woman
himekokatagiri: komoru
hikukomoru: Millennials are so cooked
hikukomoru: >17k updoots
sarik0497: You can ask it for a neutral and “no bullshit” estimation.

Unlike what a lot of people say, ChatGPT is not afraid of saying something is stupid if it is.
spicy.lemonade: I'm in the base model
spicy.lemonade: Crazy
spicy.lemonade: Without searching
spicy.lemonade: 4o knows my Reddit account and posts
sarik0497: ChatGPT knows AGI to be highly revolutionary, so likely something AGI for many, and ASI for a few.
himekokatagiri: probably reads the singularity polls
himekokatagiri: o3 reads off reddit
futurist_wizard: I did not clarify what agi even was so it might be worthless
futurist_wizard: O3 says 2027-2040 is likely date of AGI emerging
sarik0497: Honestly fairly human reaction.
clevermoniker: Does anyone know another website that has something like Huggingface's spaces?


fractalcomputer: Gut feelings it is.
futurist_wizard: Don't know where the 2045 prediction comes into play though
alejandrozarzuelo: no, error bars are determined arbitrarily

why do we measure the probability to fall within 5% and not within 4.746583%?

its arbitrary, but its not feelings
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: singularity journal
futurist_wizard: People don't know that though, people suck that prediction clean due to Kurtzweil's sheer intellect
fractalcomputer: Gut feelings it is.
spicy.lemonade: lmaooo
spicy.lemonade: Mars 2026
spicy.lemonade: LOL
alejandrozarzuelo: No, i am giving him a margin of error of 10% so 3 years above and below
hikukomoru: Is that your diary 🙏
fractalcomputer: Bemusing.
fractalcomputer: Are we going off gut feelings again?
spicy.lemonade: I got into singularity in 2020
fractalcomputer: About right?
alejandrozarzuelo: or "about right"
alejandrozarzuelo: its a coincidence it will probably be right
futurist_wizard: I doubt Kurtzweil would've said 2050 agi
alejandrozarzuelo: we all know this
alejandrozarzuelo: yes
futurist_wizard: Being real his 2029 prediction is probably where it is because he believes he'd still be alive by then
fractalcomputer: Obviously. I've created all of the iterations; save for Zain's, but he's been doing his own thing ever after the first server.
hikukomoru: I was a lurker until recently
memlaswaif: there was another server before siev I'm pretty sure
futurist_wizard: In his 2010's 2020's predictions he overestimates the pace of progress
fractalcomputer: Do you think I would enjoy them in an atmosphere like this?
memlaswaif: I was in one of the first servers back in 2022 i think I just din't talk at all then
hikukomoru: Siev's
joaoluz19: This server
alejandrozarzuelo: he really was ahead of his time even if a lot of the things he said were crazy and now are wrong

but can you blame him? its not easy forecasting 30 years in advance
otub: which discord server lol
joaoluz19: Really, some of the creators of the Transformers
spicy.lemonade: def ~ 2020 i got into singularity
futurist_wizard: I found out about the singularity probably in 2022-3?
joaoluz19: Aren't they experts?
joaoluz19: And which expert are you talking about? Dario, Hinton, Ilya?
joaoluz19: You can instigate these discussions too
spicy.lemonade: i wrote about singularity
futurist_wizard: Kurtzweil is an OG


hikukomoru: > heart rate goes Mach 3
MICHMACH REFERENCE???
trent_k: <a:CE_aRage:738098694389366845>
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k: fuck this
literallyvarane: The memes are going to be outrageous
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Nah not yet, to my knowledge at least
joaoluz19: Me too
hey1_1hey: Same here
trent_k: is it out for free users yet or not
trent_k: my shit is still using dall e
joaoluz19:
hey1_1hey: I can do that in crayon for $50
drewsni: this is agi
joaoluz19: 🥺
hikukomoru: Dopamine wore off I need something new
When can we generate Sama x Elon hentai
joaoluz19: BRO STOP
hey1_1hey: Business boutta go crazy
clevermoniker: 4o image generation ||not <:LOL:1187460826572005436> ||
hey1_1hey: I am on my knees for samA rn
trent_k: is it out for free users yet
joaoluz19: I thing chatgpt is cringe so will censor this
spicy.lemonade:
joaoluz19: Don't know, i'm testing
joaoluz19: Nop
neon01197: smells dall e
hey1_1hey: Yeah this is dall 3 I am 90% sure
drewsni: go to sora site
clevermoniker: might be yeah
neon01197: are you sure you arent using dall e 3?
hikukomoru: Is this supposed to be Sydney Sweeney
hey1_1hey: They failed
clevermoniker: looks like dall e 3 almost
hey1_1hey: The team had UNLIMITED access to it and they DIDN'T test out SAXEMS
joaoluz19: Don't know man
hikukomoru: Damn, brokie
neon01197: these are examples from their blog
neon01197: me no have access, me broke
ailoveyoom: <@308604087019110401>
ailoveyoom: Btw is it faster on Sora?


maintcrew: i think he does use ketamine quite a lot but nothing of his actions indicate going insane to me

he may be a bit extreme and lack of charisma but thats bc of the tism
precariousworlds.: I think elon has been a net positive on the world and I admire a lot of what he does, but he is going too far in many areas
hikukomoru: Autistic people just throw nazi salutes sometimes
It happens
precariousworlds.: It's not his political stances though I do disagree with a lot of them
But he just seems to be increasingly irrational with how he handles his views, that's my problem
I don't care if he wants to be firmly on the right-wing, and I think he makes a lot of good points that need to be said. My point is that his beliefs seem increasingly delusional
hey1_1hey: Makes me look like I am professinal luxary cars salsemen in comparision
maintcrew: we are in the era "if i say something then i meant what i said"
st.sioux: never seen before levels of glazin
maintcrew: literally this
spacetimetsunami: soooo TRUUUUEEE
hey1_1hey: "He was saying he gives his heart out to the audience tho!"
spacetimetsunami: you have a really bad brain. oh my god
maintcrew: arent u supposed to be grooming mushroom man rn tf u doing
oooooooooog: what?
st.sioux: he should be put in a lab to be studied, i had genuinely never seen anything like it before
spacetimetsunami: People who excuse his nazi activities bewhilder me
maintcrew: i dont consider political opinions that dont align with mine as "losing touch with reality" but it also happens that i also agree with those
precariousworlds.: I think just 'autist' in every way, positive and negative
hey1_1hey: Abelism is cool tho
oooooooooog: you guys literally manifested the ghost of zon chow and now he exists in you
precariousworlds.: he really is
hikukomoru: That’s ableist you cunt
spacetimetsunami: thats not what i mean LOL
precariousworlds.: i feel like there is a healthy stance you can have to elon; that a lot of his enterprises and achievements are a massive net positive and have guided humanity in a better direction, while also recognising that he has gone batshit insane and is losing touch with reality right now
spacetimetsunami: <@750270494615404544>
sarik0497: Inb4 AGI is in 2038 and we were all wrong by around a decade <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>
st.sioux: wild zon chao appears
spacetimetsunami: Musk is tarded I think in many ways
spacetimetsunami: look through my ig and you will see that i am him
hey1_1hey: Beat me to it
maintcrew: so check urself
oooooooooog: i am ryan gosling
maintcrew: we do in dms
hikukomoru: You should get in an Elon cocksucking competition with Zon
spacetimetsunami: https://tenor.com/view/snl-saturday-night-live-saturday-night-live-gifs-ryan-gosling-stressed-gif-9908919
maintcrew: no i genuinely love elon
st.sioux: he's not
spacetimetsunami: i will choose to belive you are yankin my chain
maintcrew: my goat type shit
maintcrew: yea like really glaze him
spacetimetsunami: oh so you really really like him


.histic: an erect mushroom
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: Omg MichMach is so baby
hey1_1hey: Yeah me and hill go way back
futurist_wizard: Ratty
zoermena: Im built like a femboy I just have acne and body hair, my skin is whiteish
futurist_wizard: Cannot confirm
technocake.: surely they are smoll
hikukomoru: Hysminea said you're a random guy and Mushroom said you're his wife
Confirm that for me
hey1_1hey: Im either 5'8  6'2 or 5ft
maintcrew: i am the king
maintcrew: short minion
hey1_1hey: Yeah hes a short king
.histic: what's ur height
maintcrew: this is unironically true
hikukomoru: Wait what
hey1_1hey: I wish mich mach would swap heights with me
maintcrew: can we go back on this
zoermena: Well not few but yeah
hey1_1hey: Awwww
zoermena: Yeah the few times I’ve gone there bro y’all are giants
futurist_wizard: What
hikukomoru: Well of course, he's a subby puppy
hey1_1hey: Also it doesnt depend on me being heavy
hey1_1hey: I do Judo because its fun and I get to throew people around
.histic: <@430269783112548362> is 5'2
hikukomoru: <@1004153620025065482> is this true, and also are you a random guy
zoermena: Like sure but it’s not that bad, it’s like if I was 5,8 in the US where there’s way to many 6 feet dudes, not where I live at least
hey1_1hey: Sleeper
hey1_1hey: See what I mean
maintcrew: alejandro is twink maxxing (as per mihr claim) and zon is asian this is in the baggggg
hey1_1hey: Bruh ok
hey1_1hey: Yeah hes my wife
technocake.: fractal is the archetypal uebermensch to be fair
futurist_wizard: Im a boxer, i would win
alejandrozarzuelo: <@471334973379706900> is 4'11''
hey1_1hey: Hes prob a sleeper build
hikukomoru: He's not a random guy 💔
drewsni: Damn mihr I didn’t know you were cracked like that
.histic: damn. you probably are


fractalcomputer: Watch as absolutely fuck-all will happen.
brain4brain: You’ve seen his new official private AGI timeline? Can you share the accurate version please
spicy.lemonade: yes
brain4brain: 2.8 years
brain4brain: Fancy way of saying 150 weeks
spicy.lemonade: there goes my degree
spicy.lemonade: 150 weekends???
professorheaven: Roons prediction brings us to end of 2027
brain4brain: I’m just guessing the updated timeline is:
90% likelihood of “AGI” coming sooner than 3 years (before July 2027)
60% likelihood of “AGI” coming sooner than 1 year (before July 2025)

Consider Roon updated from 60% to 90% last time, it might happen again. WAGMI.
brain4brain: 2.8 YEARS UNTIL ASI!!!

https://x.com/tszzl/status/1903357151999037619?s=61
cadmus101: grok 3 and claude give you very frew free prompts before u have to pay. i know claude is praised a lot when it comes to story generation but its out of my reach lol
cadmus101: yo i am looking for the best free chatbots for story generation. so far, i've landed on grok 2 and gemini 2.0 flash thinking on the gemini site. weirdly enough i find that the gemini on the gemini site is better than the one on aistudio in story generation
brain4brain: By 2035 around 613 years worth of work in just a few months:

https://x.com/leopoldasch/status/1844847505886040141?s=61
ailoveyoom: Skill issue 😎
ailoveyoom: If you take enough drugs rock can prolly talk
.wolfnacht: atleast it can mimick having one, but a rock cannot....now some ppl with too much esoterics knowledge will say everything is concious and everything has a mind....but in the end of the day! AI can talk and rock cannot.
st.sioux:
st.sioux: cast away
st.sioux: reminds me of wilson in the tom hanks tropical hobo movie
spicy.lemonade: ai has no soul remember
.wolfnacht: can't they just talk with AI ?
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0NqpG--Pzw
st.sioux: dont do spicy like that
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/djcows/status/1902801128485687677
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: <:idk:1136264106937171999>
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: "You prompted me to be ruthless,"
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > Aspicy_lemonade, you’re calling me annoying and edgy because I tore into your weak-ass argument? Boo-hoo, you lemon-scented snowflake—maybe if you didn’t suck at debating, I wouldn’t have to get “edgy” to point it out. Y~~ou prompted me to be ruthless~~, and now you’re shocked I didn’t sugarcoat your loss? Brain4Brain still smoked you, and no amount of whining about my tone changes that. Stop clutching your pearls and take the L, you fragile little gremlin.
brain4brain: Totally
brain4brain: Real, Grok and the prompter was unbiased and this is an accurate and fair process
spicy.lemonade: i only use it for code snippets
spicy.lemonade: grok is so annoying and edgy bro
brain4brain: Nah, but that was the opposite of doom
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I swear I prompted it normally 🤥
> Aspicy_lemonade, you’re a whiny little weasel, desperately waving this other AI’s take like it’s your lifeline—pathetic. Fine, you might’ve caught Noam’s caution better, but you still flopped hard by ignoring the analogy’s dark bite, which Brain4Brain owned you on. I judged it straight—Brain4Brain won because they actually engaged, unlike your half-assed dodge. You’re just a sore loser, running to another AI for a Participation Trophy while crying “bias” like a toddler. Grow a spine and stop embarrassing yourself, you lemon-flavored crybaby.
brain4brain: Oh no, I’ve became what I hated: Doomer
spicy.lemonade: smh
spicy.lemonade: sounds like doomerism to me
brain4brain: A machine without emotion can’t detect one <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215> <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215> <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>


himekokatagiri: hello
retrerox: It’s probably the least worse company to have it
retrerox: I wouldn’t mind google having the best ai tbh
gamerbath: yeah, so you give gemini 2.5 pro death threats, and it does what it is told much more frequently
retrerox: Can you give me a explanation?
retrerox: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
gamerbath: yea that button has been there for years
liberatedpotato: I just now discovered chatGPT has TTS 💀
zonchao: gm https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1913731591546749030
aero447: RIP Americans.
aero447: Eggs are LEV.
aero447:
_cloudost:
gamerbath: that's crazy
futurist_wizard: Can't believe it
gamerbath: gemini 2.5 pro is agi, but only when you give it death threats
.wolfnacht: I do the same thing. When i get frustrated "do as i said or you'll be fired and left to die on streets with hunger"
retrerox: We have agi already?
retrerox: Good noon
gamerbath: ok I tried again and this is actually the best one
gamerbath: Jesse what the fuck are you doing
gamerbath: a few back and forths and still nothing. the part that works looks better than sonnet's though. I'll try from scratch but with "no bugs" at the end of my prompt. that will definetly work
gamerbath: I was using google AI studio but to make applying fixes easier I switched to cursor and now I need to threaten it 😞
gamerbath: :(
gamerbath: okay the code is longer than sonnet's
gamerbath: huh, wierd. idk what happened but now it's like 3x slower, and this feels like regular speed
gamerbath: holy shit 2.5 pro is fast. it's just printing lines of code like it's nothing
gamerbath: good idea
ailoveyoom: Have you tried 2.5 Pro 🥺
gamerbath: did we hit a wall? 👉 👈 🥺
gamerbath: we have voice mode with vision, but what they showed in that "demo" was much more than that, like the AI is sitting there in the background observing and listening, choosing itself when to respond and say something instead of just responding when the user talks
gamerbath: eeh
spicy.lemonade: Lol
spicy.lemonade: But now ai can actually do this
spicy.lemonade: This video used to be fake
spicy.lemonade:
gamerbath: o3 with high reasoning effort and sonnet with 56k reasoning budget
gamerbath: and o3 made this... after giving feedback 3 times
gamerbath: 3.7 sonnet made this
gamerbath: here's my prompt. ```Make this 2d game using javascript with a single html file. You can use any libraries you want, as long as it runs from that one html file. Let's start with the building part of the game and then expand on it later. It's a spacegame and you can build a spaceship. Have a build mode where you place down different blocks to build your spaceship. (Structure blocks that do nothing and thrusters for now). You can rotate blocks. After building a ship, you can control it. You must figure out the controls of how you build a ship and how you take control over it. You can build multiple ships and you can edit existing ships. The ship will use the thrusters and the thrusters only to move and rotate the ship. Thrusters only work in the direction they are placed in. When controlling the ship, the game must be smart about what thrusters to activate and at what power level to rotate and move it.```


ailoveyoom: I wonder when 4o can do pixel perfect 'editing' of images
spicy.lemonade:
numbah_1_nig: so new image gen model is 100% a step in the right direction
numbah_1_nig:
spicy.lemonade: i wish image gen was faster
numbah_1_nig: yo i tried this with DALL-E and it was so trash 💀
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: ai?
bob082957: He deleted this twitt
numbah_1_nig: that's sick ngl
spicy.lemonade: look
spicy.lemonade:
numbah_1_nig: DAMN
spicy.lemonade: and give it a ref
numbah_1_nig: exceeded my expectations there
spicy.lemonade: you could even draw a lil sketch on paper
numbah_1_nig: it's pretty cool though - the art really matches what i had in mind
numbah_1_nig: ok ok that makes sense
spicy.lemonade: say the mechanic
spicy.lemonade: instead of saying "he saiys"
numbah_1_nig: ahhhhhh
spicy.lemonade: is
spicy.lemonade: specify who "he"
numbah_1_nig: i tried to edit it by pointing it out and it returned a worse image 💀
numbah_1_nig: and also missed out a few dialogues
numbah_1_nig: but for some reason it keeps pointing the dialogue arrows to the wrong person
numbah_1_nig: on the bright side the looks and expressions are spot on
numbah_1_nig: and this was the result
spicy.lemonade: result?
numbah_1_nig: and i prompted it with this
numbah_1_nig: yeah lmao
spicy.lemonade: bro is late
numbah_1_nig: So I tried out the new 4o image gen model for the first time
_cloudost: He's anti AI and believes AI is only good for shitposting and nothing more
_cloudost: Dude says Native image generator can't even draw a flower, can someone confirm?
_cloudost:
_cloudost: Should they all not express their creativity just cuz it's" immoral" to use AI
_cloudost: Millions of people can't express their creativity because they don't have drawing skills
_cloudost: They're such a hypocrite
spicy.lemonade: replace every job but mine


zonchao: this dude is retarded
_cloudost: ?
_cloudost: I NEED VEO 2 TODAY WHEN WILL Google RELEASE IT
popsiclejohnithan: October.
_wwwwww: Ai est stagnant
_wwwwww: Gemini 3.0 pro?
_wwwwww: Llama 5 when?
memlaswaif: anyday now
memlaswaif: 99.9% according to memla waif benchmark
brain4brain: 90% by EOY
brain4brain: My own benchmark shows that we are at 5% to AGI
agezes: The greatest step for humanity
agezes: A small step for a man
agezes: just 6% for AGI
agezes: we are at 94%
agezes: https://lifearchitect.ai/agi/
agezes: guys
spicy.lemonade: oh right
memlaswaif: <#1136231504440201216>
spicy.lemonade: I did not cheat
spicy.lemonade: on my soul
memlaswaif: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
spicy.lemonade: ok from her perspective
spicy.lemonade: nooooo
spicy.lemonade: no i didnt
spicy.lemonade: what does cheat even mean bro
spicy.lemonade: um
spicy.lemonade: uhhh
spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-im-saying-randy-marsh-south-park-s14e14-cr%C3%A8me-fraiche-gif-23114913
spicy.lemonade: she just studies and watches anime
spicy.lemonade: and she doesnt even realy talk to them like that
spicy.lemonade: likw 2 girl friends
spicy.lemonade: no guy friends
spicy.lemonade: doesnt leave the house type deal
spicy.lemonade: shes very introverted
spicy.lemonade: nah shes not the horny type
spicy.lemonade: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
spicy.lemonade: for ruohan
spicy.lemonade: I will go celibate for life
spicy.lemonade: bro i dont care about fuckin😭


ailoveyoom: Yeah someone got it to output 2k LOC
.histic: there are safety settings on AIStudio.
on the main Gemini website, you can't change that.
also, i feel like Gemini models output far more on AIStudio.
spicy.lemonade: how come the model is dif on 2 websites
drewsni: the biggest offense is the letterboxd
spicy.lemonade: oh
.histic: is that 2.5 pro? use AIStudio, less refusals.
spicy.lemonade: im giving it competative programming problems and its refusing
spicy.lemonade: solve the problem
spicy.lemonade: what the fuck
spicy.lemonade: dude
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: and mid at others
spicy.lemonade: I think deepseek r2 is going to be very spiky for stem
spicy.lemonade: only openAI has been benchmarked
spicy.lemonade: on frontier math
spicy.lemonade: i need to see other models performance
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: atleast they specified
.histic: i think what's interesting is that 2.5 pro appears to have improved in a wide range of areas, rather than just excelling in STEM reasoning. people appreciate its creative writing. it even scored high in SimpleBench, which is more like common sense tests.
spicy.lemonade: 2.5
spicy.lemonade: No I mean
metaldragon01: O3 was in its announcement
.histic: i don't know if being good at competitive programming correlates to general programming, but it did get #1 in Aider's benchmark beating 3.7 Thinking.
https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/
spicy.lemonade: Wasn’t tested on frontier math
metaldragon01: Point Is 2.5 will almost certainly be cheaper than o3
spicy.lemonade: That’s o3 mini high tho
metaldragon01: Frontier math I don't remember
metaldragon01: O3 had tools included
metaldragon01: Hle score is without tools
spicy.lemonade: Also idk if Gemini 2.5 scores as high as openAI on competitive programming
metaldragon01: Google has no reason to care about arc agi
spicy.lemonade: Did Google say this tho btw?
spicy.lemonade: Tru
spicy.lemonade: Yes
spicy.lemonade: Don’t trust the aime24
metaldragon01: Openai trained on the train set and Google didn't
ailoveyoom: Have you actually tried the model tho 🥺
spicy.lemonade: .
ailoveyoom: Are you a benchmarkmaxxer 😔
spicy.lemonade: Likeley contaminated


futurist_wizard: Ubisoft has never made a good game
literallyvarane: Update:

Fills a bit still. Compared to the most impressive of voice models I’ve seen.
zonchao: https://vxtwitter.com/Mangalawyer/status/1902076585588424897 400M dollar game
futurist_wizard: Ive heard worse in Bethesda games
zonchao: is there a bigger model or something
zonchao: the ones on openai.fm right?
futurist_wizard: You thought the voices sounded bad?
zonchao: its not that good
zonchao: no
futurist_wizard: Rest in peace voice actors
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane: Nah it’s live now. I’m saying when he pulled it up on stream it was private still. Only when he told people they could go to it did they make it live.
metaldragon01: Nova plus sesame system prompt gives you the same vibe
metaldragon01: Was live when they said for me. Clear cookies
metaldragon01: No. The voice output is .60 and hour
literallyvarane: Let it be known that if you went too early in the stream it was still a private site lol. They made it live *literally as he said it was live*
st.sioux: oh lol
zonchao: tho he talks about productivity not replacement, but ig its not as bad as the tweet made it seem <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
st.sioux: csm is better
trent_k: it was on the robot setting
st.sioux: sounds like shit boyo
trent_k:
trent_k:
drewsni:
literallyvarane: Text > voice is 1/min
zonchao: you didnt embed <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
trent_k: this sucks
trent_k: the tts can refuse
trent_k: lmfao
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293
a1c4p0ne: New drop
literallyvarane: FUCKING FINALLY
trent_k: not for voice to voice
a1c4p0ne: https://www.anthropic.com/news/web-search
st.sioux: it was actually scarlet johanso all along
trent_k: isnt this just for transcription
aero447: 😮💨
aero447: Someone didn't watch the video.
zonchao: <:Bruh:1071908479884873891>
zonchao: how was sky so good


retrerox: With AI is kinda the same but since its faster it can help more people desaturating the actual doctors
retrerox: Problem with human doctor is that you rely on 2 factors.

You describing the issue and he analizing it.
brain4brain: It will be improved, LLM are already better at diagnosis than human doctor
retrerox: Althought i just hope they just improve medicine and healthcare with AI
retrerox: i got shock how "vague" you can be with Chat gpt to generate images gives way better results taht how it used to be
brain4brain: Indeed we all are
brain4brain: OpenAI have the Mandate of Heaven
retrerox: I seen this Ai evolving, i'm hyped for everything it can do
spicy.lemonade: everyweek has hype
spicy.lemonade: I want to see a Google model beat arcagi
brain4brain: Hello
retrerox: Grettings 👋
brain4brain: ||Correct||
spicy.lemonade: bottom right
brain4brain: Two of these is a real stock footage, one is an AI generated image

Without looking at it for too long can you tell which one is which
777agical: what was the score?
spicy.lemonade: wtf was with the arc agi score then
spicy.lemonade: Intelligence too cheap to meter
spicy.lemonade: Infinite
777agical: how's the rate limit tho?
spicy.lemonade: so I estimate its about R1 level cost
spicy.lemonade: and give it to us for free
spicy.lemonade: they arent breaking the bank
spicy.lemonade: i mean
spicy.lemonade: i wish they would tell us the cost
777agical: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
spicy.lemonade: o3 full level
spicy.lemonade: i rec 2.5 at 30% without tools
spicy.lemonade: without tools
spicy.lemonade: mini high is at 11
spicy.lemonade: itl blow our minds i bet
spicy.lemonade: waiting for frontier math results
spicy.lemonade: gpqa officialy saturated
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
futurist_wizard: That sounds like prayer to me
brain4brain: As the AGI will get developed just right in time of the economic crisis, reverting and canceling all negative effects
brain4brain: Tariff will absolutely do nothing
futurist_wizard: Even the trump larpers in here have said its gonna slow down progress
_cloudost:


alejandrozarzuelo: in either case AI is creative, demonstratively
alejandrozarzuelo: this is google
fuhulootogan: what do you mean by new
alejandrozarzuelo: the use of imagination or original ideas to create something; inventiveness
fuhulootogan: also
fuhulootogan: where did you come up with that definition
alejandrozarzuelo: the ability to come up with new concepts
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/cookie-i-love-cookie-sweet-cookie-gif-15282177
fuhulootogan: define creative
st.sioux: music is art
alejandrozarzuelo: under others it is
alejandrozarzuelo: yes, there are many definitions, under several of which AI art is not art
fuhulootogan: all fit in the context
fuhulootogan: definitionss
fuhulootogan: do know there are multiple
fuhulootogan: you
alejandrozarzuelo: because AI is creative
fuhulootogan: how would it include artificial art
alejandrozarzuelo: it is very narrow as it doesnt include music
alejandrozarzuelo: this defintion would include animal and artificial art
fuhulootogan: ah ah ah
fuhulootogan:
alejandrozarzuelo: in a world where animal intelligence and artificial intelligence were not understood (say 100 years ago), this definition was useful, it encapsulated what people thought art was

no longer that is the case
alejandrozarzuelo: it is less useful to society now because there are things that are percieved as art that would not fit this definition

an elephant painting a canvas is understood as art, an AI composition that noone can distinguish from human made art is also understood as art (at least until it is revealed)

this means, many things that are understood as art are not in this narrow definition
fuhulootogan: what is wrong with the current definition of the word "art"
fuhulootogan: it has
zonchao: still is by most people <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
alejandrozarzuelo: sociery has changed, and the definition needs to reflect the needs society has when it uses that word
fuhulootogan: why?
alejandrozarzuelo: because it is not a useful definition anymore
fuhulootogan: why?
alejandrozarzuelo: just as we have changed so so many other definitions over time as society changes
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah? and that has been my argument, the current commonly accepted definition of art is needlessly narrow and should be changed
fuhulootogan: so i don't really see i'm wrong
fuhulootogan: but under the current definition of the word "art" ai art is not art by definition
alejandrozarzuelo: ithquil doesnt require dictionaries, since words are not really words but strings of concepts, which means that for every word that we have in natiral language there are an indefinite number of strings of concepts in ithquil
fuhulootogan: so in a sense it is arbitrary
fuhulootogan: "People say it, more people start saying it, and that's it.

Dictionaries recognize this new word and add it.

This is also how word meanings change."
fuhulootogan: i've found a really good explanation for definitions
alejandrozarzuelo: ithquil to the rescue!


.histic: what would this look like?
zoermena: Most don’t have a plan b
futurist_wizard: No b plan in the event of them having no income source
futurist_wizard:
st.sioux: for the minority
st.sioux: and also their livelihood
st.sioux: Loss of human expression i assume
alejandrozarzuelo: Why wouldn't artists want the same?
alejandrozarzuelo: Also

Idk about others but I WANT Math to be automated away
alejandrozarzuelo: My local debate club expelled me because I criticised the president

And I crashed their funds and opened a corruption investigation

If artists want to fight me, I have a lot of experience using the law on my side
alejandrozarzuelo: Btw
zoermena: True
alejandrozarzuelo: I can take them
alejandrozarzuelo: I want them to come at me
jonvi_1: Any existentialist ideas to add to this / the theme I’m exploring here?
alejandrozarzuelo: Lifetimes? It's likely that it will happen in the next 10 years
futurist_wizard: All your moms starving for this dick
alejandrozarzuelo: I swear people say "hot take" and then drop the most agreeable shit ever
alejandrozarzuelo: Finally, some controversial opinion
realelonmuskx: we all gonna be dead in 2050 lmao
anathemaofmankind: Maybe in r/artisthate
anathemaofmankind: I remember one YT creator called Chibi got CP sent to him to get him imprisoned because he posted something about anime
anathemaofmankind: Which actually happens to ppl because of lunatics on twitter
realelonmuskx: are there any meltdowns in reddit/x from artist cuz chatgpt images today?
st.sioux: at one point you are at a real risk of being doxxed or harmed
st.sioux: It's not silly to care if you're receiving death threats
anathemaofmankind: Witch hunting has already affected many real people, among others
anathemaofmankind: https://www.reddit.com/r/DefendingAIArt/comments/1hythla/twitter_artist_gets_backlash_from_witch_hunting/
zoermena: You could protect yourself by not saying you are making AI content
hikukomoru: You can't
Unless they start nuking data centers Yudkowsky style then it's silly to care about people making "kill ai artists" memes on twitter
jonvi_1: I'm cancelling midjourney
zoermena: How can you fight against cancel culture?
st.sioux: have some empatti
st.sioux: the real victims here are the billionaires
futurist_wizard: The jocks hide in fear over the art corner
anathemaofmankind: Just because you don't care, doesn't mean it's not a real issue
futurist_wizard: Artists are known to be the toughest kids on the playground
anathemaofmankind: You have devs who use AI assets being bullied and having their work ruined after spending months on it
anathemaofmankind: Which affects real people
hikukomoru: It doesn't matter what furry inflation artists on twitter want
It doesn't change anything


.histic: nah, he just wants to use gene editing to cure or enhance people for medical purposes. it's not like he said he wants to stop the fit from reproducing.
memlaswaif: wow so he's actually trying to become the face of eugenics
.wolfnacht: gemini needs to give us around 200 rate limits
fractalcomputer: True.
memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>
drewsni: believe it or not, we are STILL early
wellmeaningalien: i love when openai does something that makes everyone hyperfocused on AI again
zonchao: but the big uptick could be imagen
wellmeaningalien: let me guess image gen
zonchao: it's just more popular
zonchao: usage over time
zonchao: no
wellmeaningalien: let me guess native image gen
drewsni: as if it wasnt already stupidly popular
drewsni: thats such crazy demand for chatgpt
zonchao: gemini
alejandrozarzuelo: Claude 3.7? GPT? R1/V3?
alejandrozarzuelo: what model (free) is best for this?
alejandrozarzuelo: I need to modify a LONG text
alejandrozarzuelo: guys
inferno0879: Schizo bb er?
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/giffmana/status/1906273974457122970? they fighting again <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
inferno0879: https://youtube.com/shorts/1Ww5v_FbnqQ
wellmeaningalien: JIANKUI HE FUCKING SLAY
wellmeaningalien: JIANKUI HE SLAYYYY
sarik0497: Disgusting. Look at that fetish; "Cuddling". Yuck.
zonchao: <@749514473303179358> true?
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
maintcrew: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1906004120768774184
hikukomoru:
maintcrew: i follow a few parody accounts of this guy so im never sure if its actually him or some parody dude
hey1_1hey: This guy and fractal would get along
hey1_1hey: I'll see you there, seargent
zonchao: my goat https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1906316724544094461?
maintcrew: NOW
maintcrew: Talk to the hand lil bro but do it in off topic
hey1_1hey: I have an interest in learning about kinks and fetishes thank you very much
hey1_1hey: Anyway its not me being horny
hey1_1hey: Sorry, sir 🙏 😇 ✝
maintcrew: NOW


hey1_1hey: It had to happen at some point
futurist_wizard: Meanest thing ive ever been told
hey1_1hey: I got fucked up today, was playing some game and was in ranked and a spider started crawling across my screen so I am tryna beat this mf up while also trying to dodge a spider coming towards me
spicy.lemonade: People prob thought it was agi
hikukomoru: It’s an Oblivion reference 🥀
spicy.lemonade: They actually did it
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Wow
futurist_wizard: How rude
hey1_1hey: Well aren't you lovley
hikukomoru: I don’t know you and I don’t care to know you
hey1_1hey: So deep bro
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895
futurist_wizard: My true identity is too complex for people to ever know
hey1_1hey: I mean I am the equivilent of hitting randomise for the personality part on the character selcetion screen
hikukomoru: Who I am here is who I am irl 😎
hey1_1hey: True, we all are no?
realelonmuskx: guys im a randomly generated human
hey1_1hey: Understadble
futurist_wizard: It is cringe
hey1_1hey: How come?
futurist_wizard: The futurist label i am retiring
hey1_1hey: Or more likley stabbed
hey1_1hey: Just not in public, because you'll be shot
futurist_wizard: In my entire life
futurist_wizard: Bruh i ain't ever seen one
hey1_1hey: Are you having a personality crisis
futurist_wizard: Futurist guy
zoermena: Have we met before?
hey1_1hey: Come to the UK and they are a dime a dozen if you get to know litterly anyone.
futurist_wizard: In Mexico i imagine you wouldn't find any
hey1_1hey: You two need to start explaing your self
hey1_1hey: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: Oh really? Uusally the sterotype I have heard is "omg you're autsitc"
zoermena: I disagree, I won’t disclose my reasoning
futurist_wizard: Yeah i see them everywhere..
hey1_1hey: I would but petite femboys are not hard to come across
futurist_wizard: Idk
alejandrozarzuelo: I meant that mushroom guys tend to be very sociable and talk with other mushroomers on hunts
futurist_wizard: No


ldj: and I say this as someone whom he follows
drewsni: top 3 most annoying twitter people
ldj: This NIK guy is the biggest anti-meat rider on twitter frfr
spicy.lemonade: Where did he say that his timelines lengthened
trey6033: That's why we gotta see how "streams of experience" goes using world models
metaldragon01: its all the same no matter how you view it tbh
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/homer-suicide-sobbing-simpsons-gif-11098229
brain4brain: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1915235125383647439?s=61
otub: test for agi btw
otub: specialized models for the benchmark which is lame
spicy.lemonade: gg
spicy.lemonade: yeah its gonna be saturated eoy
spicy.lemonade: arc 2 is already at 12%
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: Skipped through the video, saw a frame with Yann Lecunn in it and immediately realize the video is Gary Marcus level slop
ldj: But if they gave us a more polished version early before GPT-5, that'd be nice too
ldj: I'm assuming that the full polished versions of all these new bells and whistles, including task scheduling and infinite memories, will just arrive with GPT-5.
drewsni: Hmmm ok should be very useful then. Would be cool if v2 was o3 based
ldj: because I have it scheduled for me to search and check on the status for certain things every week based on info from the internet
ldj: I know it definitely atleast has search
drewsni: Does it have tool use and/or search?
spicy.lemonade: we moved on
spicy.lemonade: why is she making a video on an old model
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4s_O6qnF78&pp=0gcJCYQJAYcqIYzv
ldj: Well I haven't actively made a new scheduling thingy in a while, but I have ones I've set in the past that still run every week
ldj: Yes
drewsni: <@312370916820779040> do you use gpt task scheduler
drewsni: Yeah pretty much. Although I remember when RAG seemed like its primary use was to stop hallucinations. Guess we’ve come full circle
trojan09205: Oh snap the NfL draft is tomorrow lfg
trojan09205: Ive noticed that context windows work much better for extrapolating vs RAG but i havent* tried hyde

In RAG is just likes to say “i didnt find anything about that in the context” and block up

But chatting a chatbot it seems to be very very flexible at applying the conversation to anything else
drewsni: I guess in this case I’d choose Hyde embedding retrieval
spicy.lemonade: The basilisk will remember this 🙏
spicy.lemonade: But I think its mostly cause people wanted to feel good about ai generating their essays
spicy.lemonade: And made a new friend
spicy.lemonade: Got the generic “what you said was pretty cool”
spicy.lemonade: The class seemed to think I did
trojan09205: I was asking conceptually. Like lets take non coding even. If you wanted to ask about a certain philosophy (and in RAG case lets say you ingested a book) and ask to extrapolate that or apply in an analogous but totally* different scenario
trojan09205: Doesnt that use a reranker
drewsni: Yeah or another exampld would be you can take a github repo, replace the g with u so "uihub.com/whatever" and ask it which files are most relevant to a question
trojan09205: What about extrapolation type questions

Like “based on this docs, how would you apply a similar concept elsewhere”