sieventer: The tier is free by default, with pretty good limits ·~·
drewsni: Btw is AI studio actually free? Or just the 25 messages a day?
sieventer: 2.5 Pro has 1M and 65k tokens output (crazy)
sieventer: Depends of the model
_3sphere: still 2M?
_3sphere: How much context does free AI studio have
sieventer: Sometimes there are good ads tho :·)
sieventer:
sieventer: Yeah, maybe as long they earn money...
drewsni: Tbh I’d rather have fake Elon coin ads than the dumbass ai newsletter ads I get
st.sioux: they don't care
sieventer: I don't understand why they can't filter their ads, is that difficult?
sieventer: I'm having them everyday, they're obviously scam
sieventer: The amount of ads of fake Elon coins that are in Twitter it's crazy, at least with my geolocation, maybe in the USA is not that bad
777agical: he sued Global Alliance for Responsible Media, wonder what the status is for that
gamerbath: i'm only 80% sure this isn't real
drewsni: Ya, not happy with the amount of hallucinations so I couldn’t squeeze out the real real end goal but it worked much better than I thought it would
zoermena: Yes
st.sioux: elon musk sued advertisers for not advertising on x
sieventer: Oh welp, good to know that :|
gamerbath: has it been released?
gamerbath: where is kling 2.0?
sieventer: I having lately very good ads in Twitter
drewsni: I just did a project summarizing 3k videos with the 2.5 pro api and it’s just what I’ve found, if I ask for timestamps for key events it’ll start skipping whole minutes of content if the video is longer than 10 minutes. It *can* take an hour video as input it just is dumb over 150k token context
777agical: people underestimate the staying power of network effects
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Like Apple
spicy.lemonade: Realistically no major person wants to post or advertise on X
sieventer: Welp, then Grok 3 just can't process videos yet xD
spicy.lemonade: Then only thing left on Twitter is Elon shills
spicy.lemonade: Then libs
spicy.lemonade: The whole tech scene
sieventer: Maybe in AI Studio, it can handle more info... I have that feeling. I didn't compare, but I think it's even more multimodal than Gemini
spicy.lemonade: A lot of people would move over
spicy.lemonade: If they moved the ai space to chatgpttwitter
st.sioux: did ur tornado chasing project work out?
spicy.lemonade: Me included
spicy.lemonade: A lot of people stayed on Twitter because of the whole Ai space
drewsni: You lose a lot of info if you have it summarize videos longer than 8-10 minutes
tors.exe: i ask because i asked grok 3 for a sequel ideas for some niche game you never heared of and the game dont have any wikipedia just youtube videos and he told me he cant acces to youtube or even watch videos


trent_k: Watch out, they're gonna ban your account for child endangerment if one of the OpenAI staff thinks your dick is suspiciously small
rayanquitplayin: ChatGPT is amazing, I love it so much
rayanquitplayin: I didn’t know that
rayanquitplayin: I studied finance in college so I’m more knowledgeable about that than comp sci
zoermena: Roko
zoermena: It’s gotten better quite quickly I think
spicy.lemonade: bro is late
spicy.lemonade: because of chatpt
rayanquitplayin: I did not know AI was good at math
spicy.lemonade: the world is on a completley different trajectory
fractalcomputer: I *am*. I have been reviewing how professional mathematicians have reacted to this. Some are obviously more positive and some are less so in their predictions for the future—but it is very evident that no significant leaps have yet been made.
spicy.lemonade: in gpu development
spicy.lemonade: in VC, in interbet traffic, in papers published
spicy.lemonade: visibly
spicy.lemonade: AI has made huge impacts already
spicy.lemonade: yes. maybe youre just not looking
fractalcomputer: Just as it surpasses your own expectations?
trent_k: No
spicy.lemonade: literaly like last november
spicy.lemonade: we just got AI capale of doing math at a competent level
rayanquitplayin: Fractal high fasho
spicy.lemonade: lol
st.sioux: fractal is a timeless entity
spicy.lemonade: I dont understand your point
spicy.lemonade: what
fractalcomputer: Shouldn't we await a digital God in two years?
spicy.lemonade: yes?
spicy.lemonade: openAI just released a benchmark for research
fractalcomputer: Is the time frame supposed to be an issue?
spicy.lemonade: give it a year
spicy.lemonade: 2 years ago it couldnt even do algebra
trent_k: Radical self improvement vs being dominated by something more powerful than yourself. It's no surprise people are more familiar with the latter
fractalcomputer: And?
zoermena: We’ve seen improvements in imaging and screening for diseases using new AI
spicy.lemonade: an olympiad problem
spicy.lemonade: since an AI could solve
spicy.lemonade: bro its been 6 months
fractalcomputer: Take for example your beloved Olympiad problems; seemingly incredible progress in mathematical reasoning and yet *zilch* actual progress in mathematical research has been engendered by this progress.
spicy.lemonade: within 3 years
spicy.lemonade: lol


maintcrew: timelines are by default guesses you give off the top of your head
maintcrew: u told me ur height and medical problems and i thought ur a skinny boy
maintcrew: holy shit u ripped as hell
.wolfnacht: imagine having to guard datacenters now too. Well atleast it would push for Local AI more <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.wolfnacht: Second generation ? your parents came from india and settled there.
brain4brain: Tesla are not protected; Data centers have permitter wall, independent contractors agent, securities, government protection, defensive measures
brain4brain: According to the AGI scientist/ innovator AGI definition, Dario said we would have it in 2027, a random research paper and schizo rumors on twitter say OpenAI will have it in 2025, xAI’s musk said AI will be better than human at everything in 2025/2026, but Demis with the current second best AI said 2030 - 2035

I still can’t comprehend Demis’s timeline
anathemaofmankind: That's actually crazy
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: “If you vote trump I’ll disown you”
spicy.lemonade: My grandma is white Italian she’s more left than I am tho
anathemaofmankind: There was a whole convo about this.

It's more complex than "good" and "bad"
spicy.lemonade: Yes dei is good
anathemaofmankind: Just that it stands to reason why you would advocate for it
anathemaofmankind: I wasn't implying you were incapable
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: I’ve won international coding competitions
spicy.lemonade: How
anathemaofmankind: I now understand why you are pro DEI
spicy.lemonade: Black &Indian yes
anathemaofmankind: You're actually black?
anathemaofmankind:
anathemaofmankind: I called it
_letterbox: https://youtu.be/hz6oys4Eem4?si=8N1rOdwMKV8ZAcKT
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: My metabolism goes crazy
spicy.lemonade: I stopped overeating 😭 🙏
spicy.lemonade: I took a shirtless pic of me in the mirror.
maintcrew: claude i wasnt familiar with your negotiations game
_cloudost: Last year there were two Reddit activists who burned themselves alive for virtue signals and their beliefs, they had a mentally ill reddit history too but this guy has a reddit history that's much worse than their
brain4brain: I’ve never seen a news article more retarded and a report more bias
.wolfnacht: literally the O1 pro, cost
.wolfnacht: Done, but also, i'm gonna set the reminder for september 2025 to see, if actually does something or he's just another neckbeard foomer. probably the latter.
_cloudost: 1 token will cost $1
_cloudost: Apple intelligence subscription will be unnecessarily expensive
spicy.lemonade: We will have agi and apple will make their first llm
spicy.lemonade: Apple cope
spicy.lemonade: lol
_letterbox: Lol
_letterbox: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/tech/apple-ai-artificial-intelligence/index.html


hikukomoru: No way bro
maintcrew: gay
hey1_1hey: Why is one of the hitlers taller than all the others
oooooooooog: put the /s inside ||dark bracket of doom ||
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: You gotta hit em with the hand flaps. Its an instant ticket to let people know you're autistic
spacetimetsunami: they dont have to publicly say they're nazis for them to be nazis
spacetimetsunami: do some afd research
spacetimetsunami: think what you would enjoy to think
precariousworlds.: what?
sarik0497: As a fellow autist I also like to throw the Roman Salute in the heat of passion. If I especially get excited, I sometimes throw in a hail towards an old leader of Germany.

/ obvious s
precariousworlds.: this is dumb
He has personally toured Auschwitz and kibbutz involved in the october 7th massacres
AfD is not a nazi group. Far-right maybe, and with some concerning links at the state-level I will admit, but they are not neo-nazis
hey1_1hey: I sometimes fund my local nazi malltia. It just happnes
spacetimetsunami: rhetoric of tards
fractalcomputer: I'd prefer if you kept the political discussion to a minimum.
hey1_1hey: It happnes
hey1_1hey: Yeah but hes autistic so its alright
spacetimetsunami: yep
st.sioux: wow! concerning!
st.sioux: yeah like saying hitler didnt kill anyone it was the public sector workers that did
spacetimetsunami: evidence is insurmountable
spacetimetsunami: face it
spacetimetsunami: i would go as far as to say hes a nazi given

constantly engages in nazi apologist rhetoric on X
sieg heil in washington (2x)
funding and support of the AFD, a literal nazi group with its members saying insane shit about the halocaust
hey1_1hey: See what? I didn't see anything
hey1_1hey: It would be the slur speedrun
hikukomoru: I saw that
precariousworlds.: It's not the views that are the core of the problem but the way he expresses them a lot of the time
He doesn't have any filter whatsoever on X, and while that can be a good thing, for one of the most powerful men in human history it can be dangerous to not have restraint or second thought
and it is starting to really impact his companies. Tesla is dying in Europe primarily because of this
hikukomoru: What was that
hey1_1hey: I should change my name to mushroom girl for shits and giggles <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
oooooooooog: i was reffering to everyone here when i said channeling the spirit, just so you're aware...?
drewsni: https://x.com/NYRangers/status/1389704210288152576

this was zon last night
hey1_1hey: Well kinda
hey1_1hey: The grooming has been succesful anyway
maintcrew: once again we are in the "i meant what i said" era so if he said its not nazi then its not
precariousworlds.: Salute was a mega-scale gaffe but its pretty silly to think that he is a genuine hitler-loving national socialist
hikukomoru: I’m pretty busy, I have other autistic men to groom
st.sioux: if i ever do some crazy shit while high on drugs im just gonna say im autistic and shit
hey1_1hey: The more I look at this the more I think he is sexually attracted to his hand
spacetimetsunami: like
spacetimetsunami: do you really believe what he did wasnt a nazi salute, and that at the very least he isnt an an extreme nazi apologist


spicy.lemonade: not engineering
spicy.lemonade: more like undergrad math/cs/bio
spicy.lemonade: not completely undergrad
spicy.lemonade: even then
spicy.lemonade: o3 is undergrad
spicy.lemonade: yes
brain4brain: It seems we are in the worst case scenario
a1c4p0ne: No more feel the agi texts
a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903
a1c4p0ne: 4.5 will be turned off in 2 months
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm just looking at some benchmarks on reddit idk
spicy.lemonade: not really
alejandrozarzuelo: It seems like it's only barely behind Gemini 2.5
alejandrozarzuelo: In any case
spicy.lemonade: Ai 2027 says China wakes up next year
alejandrozarzuelo: But they will get there
alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, China is quickly racing to becoming a chips superpower, and what they can't do on cutting edge chips they make up in volume, for now

It will take several years to get to cutting edge chip making
spicy.lemonade: Makes it worse then
spicy.lemonade: Qwen isn’t cheaper?
alejandrozarzuelo: It's pretty expensive
alejandrozarzuelo: There is nothing cheap about this btw
alejandrozarzuelo: Wrong
spicy.lemonade: Only for cheap catchup
spicy.lemonade: Can’t count on them for that
spicy.lemonade: Sadly
spicy.lemonade: China will never be frontier
spicy.lemonade: It’s better than medium
spicy.lemonade: Mini high my bad
alejandrozarzuelo: That's pretty bad
alejandrozarzuelo: 8?
alejandrozarzuelo: How many months behind that is?
spicy.lemonade: Qwen3 is slightly worse than o3 mini
ldj: Damn, ChatGpt spitting facts
spicy.lemonade: No
.0xunkn0wn: is qwen3 the king now or nah
joaoluz19: I saw that they already fixed it, but I think it's still pretty bad.
hey1_1hey: Real, I litterly saw soemone say that they are thinking of investing $30,000 into their "shit on a stick business" and chatgpt said it wasn't just a great idea but a GENIUS idea and the guy who suggested it is a God among men
joaoluz19: I agree, it's already impossible to talk
zoermena: Fixed right?


spicy.lemonade: no
metaldragon01: And will continue to
metaldragon01: The military makes more deadly weapons every year
joaoluz19: The problem with alignment is that it only follows the orders of humans. Ilimited power in the hand of few.
metaldragon01: And it's the same bad arguments
metaldragon01: You're just parroting pause ai
spicy.lemonade: we only see the direct risk after
spicy.lemonade: no
spicy.lemonade: before making bomb
spicy.lemonade: thats like openheimer slowing down
metaldragon01: Yes there is
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: no one is slowing down now because theres no direct risk
metaldragon01: There's no magic line to stop at
joaoluz19: I would extend this to any human institution, unless we have the guarantee that amplifying human intelligence hybridized with artificial augmentations would imply "reasonable" goods, I mean like not killing everyone or enslavement.
zonchao: yes
metaldragon01: The same reason pause ai will fail is the same reason no one will slow down.

Accept that we will acc and make plans around it.

Wishful thinking otherwise
st.sioux: but that also implies alignment is critical
st.sioux: theres too much inequality and incentives to gatekeep, so asi might be the only way to have universal access
st.sioux: i doubt our current institutions would be able to handle it fairly
spicy.lemonade: we didnt need to actively removel all
spicy.lemonade: and exuded power
spicy.lemonade: already made
zonchao: agi is not the same + private
spicy.lemonade: not realy
zonchao: cus it's useless having so many nukes, it didn't make financial sense
spicy.lemonade: then decel
spicy.lemonade: peaked 1987
spicy.lemonade:
joaoluz19: Do you think there is a possibility for everyone to have access to post-humanism: mind uploading etc with our human institutions? I think benevolent ASI is the only positive end
zonchao: nuclear has a pretty visible ceiling, like after 50Mt there is no point going bigger, just get more numbers. It's not the same with AGI
st.sioux: it’s like we only slow down when the cost of going faster starts hitting too close to home
st.sioux: yeah ig ur right
spicy.lemonade: it increased
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: japan didnt stop nuke accel
spicy.lemonade: cold war
spicy.lemonade: nah
st.sioux: after a massive tragedy
spicy.lemonade: eventually


spicy.lemonade: and long term memory
spicy.lemonade: with good agency
spicy.lemonade: if we showed yoou a top reasoning model
spicy.lemonade: but youre concered with how it works on the inside
spicy.lemonade: weak agi is enough for most people
metaldragon01: Otherwise agents suffer
metaldragon01: Reliable icl
metaldragon01: Absolutely need either infinite context or CL
clevermoniker: i think continuous learning is needed for it to not be weak agi
spicy.lemonade: continious learning isnt needed for a good form of agi tbh. most systems are already superhuman reasoners and knowledge
metaldragon01: Openai too
metaldragon01: I think google and China are doing the smart thing
ailoveyoom: They're codemaxxing, Google is priceminning and OAI is benchmarkmaxxing
ailoveyoom: Just like Google's focus on price, imo Anthropic isn't focused on multimodality. Except maybe vision for coding tasks.
clevermoniker: we need too many
metaldragon01: Things are moving fast and breakthroughs happen
metaldragon01: We could still get agi this year in some form
spicy.lemonade: we need more of those
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: whats wrong with negative results in a paper
clevermoniker: we are still going fast
clevermoniker: that's ok
clevermoniker: i am sure we won't solve those this year
metaldragon01: Reliable vision
clevermoniker: long term memory, better agency, resilience, continuous learning etc
metaldragon01: Memory, long context reliability, continuous learning
brain4brain: Like what?
brain4brain: If it isn’t the end of 2025 then there is a plateau
clevermoniker: too much stuff left for AGI to happen this year
brain4brain: Drawing lines on a graph points to 2025
brain4brain: Why do you think so?
clevermoniker: but i think its more like 2027-28
brain4brain: More Yann interview: https://officechai.com/ai/yann-lecun-takes-swipe-at-anthropic-says-country-of-geniuses-in-a-datacenter-idea-is-complete-bs/
clevermoniker: earliest possible probably late next year
brain4brain: This year.
clevermoniker: AGI won't happen this year, that's for sure at least <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
brain4brain: All YouTube user I’ve seen are usually coping from the fact we will have AGI this year, the keep praising Yann and Gary, which have never been right since 2023
mihrcelium: We'd never see <@430269783112548362> again. <:02S_SideEye:1275173727780474880>
mihrcelium: Aye. I've been quietly expecting them to reveal something that demonstrates they've been working on addressing this, but every day a rose petal falls.
spicy.lemonade: so hes in the 2030 camp


himekokatagiri: <@578146630222741504> don't you have a life goal
futurist_wizard: <@505313122802728972>
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> no
anathemaofmankind: Real femcels are disgusting anyway
alejandrozarzuelo: Lol
futurist_wizard: You might just be autism passing
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/life-on-mars-gene-genie-gif-24628898
himekokatagiri: you don't have to be a genius to do the math, guv.
alejandrozarzuelo: I
Am
Not
Autistic
<:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
trent_k: if komoru turned out to actually be a man pretending to be a femcel and not a God's honest femcel, I would be shattered. destroyed. ruined
futurist_wizard: Lucky escape Alejandro
futurist_wizard: Hehe, you caught on to what i was alluding too
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
himekokatagiri: Is komoru a persona you put on
himekokatagiri: Why
hikukomoru: I'm on there
On another account
himekokatagiri: The only.
hikukomoru: Do you mean Siev's
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> why aren't you in the other server
alejandrozarzuelo: Honestly idk if autists here have it worse than in other places or maybe they are used to it because we are very loud
alejandrozarzuelo: The screams of terror football fans do

I'm Spanish, it's impossible for me to dislike loud Places, have you heard the volume at which we talk?
hikukomoru: This server isn't 18+ but it should be
futurist_wizard: You mean you don't like loud places or the screams of terror?
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah yeah I hate the obnoxiousness but that's a different thing from the sport itself

Also in Spain football replaced bullfighting as the sport of choice so that's nice, even if I don't like the screaming
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
anathemaofmankind: Sounds gay
himekokatagiri: <:coy:1187466404367175821>
himekokatagiri: you and me
himekokatagiri: Forget humanity
anathemaofmankind: When has humanity ever come to a consensus
futurist_wizard: Every world cup i have to listen to 'ITS COMING HOME' I root for England to lose just from hearing that every 4 years
Carl-bot#1536:
himekokatagiri: can't we y'know come to a consensus?
himekokatagiri: <@578146630222741504> you're anime! like me!
alejandrozarzuelo: But it's alright, I don't have anything against it
alejandrozarzuelo: Eh its just not my cup of tea
anathemaofmankind: How can I make sure humanity goes extinct if I kill myself first.

You have to make sure it's finished
maintcrew: "idk" until a hyper scaler tries it
futurist_wizard: Football is garbage
nester173: What do you guys think of this?


sweetievee__33649: where is he now
spicy.lemonade: 🤷♂
hikukomoru: I loved that guy 🥺
I miss jgudy so much
spicy.lemonade: he said itl be realy competative
hikukomoru: jgudy was also the #1 Elon hater
sweetievee__33649: you talk about him like he was a parental figure 😭
futurist_wizard: But thats me personally
memlaswaif: <@636544123096137738> what r ure thoughts on porteguese people
futurist_wizard: I think I'd rather die than go bald
hikukomoru: If only you were here when he was around
metaldragon01: I doubt it even reaches 65 tbh. I'll be impressed at 60
sweetievee__33649: a check that box then
sweetievee__33649: he seems made up
retrerox: Balding Escape Velocity
sweetievee__33649: jgudy probably doesnt even exist
futurist_wizard: Singularity users have issues with life
retrerox: cant wait AI BEV
hikukomoru: Tbh to be into the singularity as a concept you probably have to be a bit nuts
memlaswaif: I don't think jgudy is actually somalian
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-things-are-in-motion-gif-20102320
hikukomoru: Nice
spicy.lemonade: 2 weeks or so
spicy.lemonade: on somplebench
hikukomoru: When is o3 out
spicy.lemonade: i think o3 is gonna get 70
futurist_wizard: Gary marcus is an avid singularity user
spicy.lemonade: ai explained
spicy.lemonade: he got internally
spicy.lemonade: on somplebench
spicy.lemonade: its gonna get a realy good score
sweetievee__33649: it seems like a house full of crazies
sweetievee__33649: i gathered
sweetievee__33649: im gullible but not that gullible
fractalcomputer: I can guarantee you that we are all insane here.
hikukomoru: What does this mean?
futurist_wizard: He sailed here being a somalian pirate
sweetievee__33649: straight up?
sweetievee__33649: wait so that ones real
hikukomoru: That one's not a joke
spicy.lemonade: on simplebench


wellmeaningalien: thats so funny i'll definitely be reading that more when i get back home
hikukomoru: Good luck 🫡
zonchao: https://x.com/nikunj/status/1904891810083987496?
futurist_wizard: Good experiment to see how well other artists can tell
futurist_wizard: Just do it until they realise
spicy.lemonade: gonna pretend to be a luddite
trent_k: tell them you're taking requests for your OC in new scenarios. have GPT draw a better version (since it's not drawn when you were 16) in the poses they ask for
technocake.: build up a following first
spicy.lemonade: idk yet
trent_k: when're you gonna tell them?
trent_k: the reveal is gonna be so fucking good
trent_k: hahahahaha we all need to be doing this
fractalcomputer: Now prove that if ||2^n - 1 = p|| then n is a prime.
futurist_wizard: Humour sometimes are ways people use to convey ideas they agree with
trent_k: it's got a lot of people who are rude and ig its similar to 4chan in that way. it's just a forum for following internet weirdos
hikukomoru: Yeah
wellmeaningalien: thanks
wellmeaningalien: AHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
spicy.lemonade: haahahahhahaa
wellmeaningalien: incredible
spicy.lemonade: LOLLLL
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Is kiwifarms a 4chan like?
wellmeaningalien: BRO YOU WERE SAYING THAT SERIOUSLY WE KNOW IT
trent_k: "i jack off to dead bodies"
"wtf man"
"well i guess u guys just dont like JOKES then HUH"
wellmeaningalien: NOT THE COMEDY EXCUSE
fractalcomputer: ||If a^n - 1 = p then (a - 1) divides p - therefore a - 1 = 1 or a - 1 = p. If a - 1 = 1, then a = 2. If a - 1 = p then a = p + 1 and n = 1. Thus the only non-trivial solution when n =/= 1 is a = 2.||
wellmeaningalien: 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 AHH NHELL NAH
trent_k: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/discord-big-data-and-pedophiles.177658/
anathemaofmankind: I'm going to wrong think jail
anathemaofmankind: Comedy is illegal now

Ruh oh
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/edp445-edp-cupcake-eating-cupcakes-gif-27211476
hikukomoru: Uh huh
anathemaofmankind: I was joking
trent_k: jacking off to gore and children and then posting "actually anime ppl arent freaks. maybe ur projecting"
certified anime moment ✅
wellmeaningalien: <@1068159407671754824> i wanna see ur kiwifarms thread
anathemaofmankind: This waffle keeps yapping nonsense lol
ailoveyoom: Are there more lolis or MILFs 🤔
futurist_wizard: Why was your mom's skirt so short when meeting me 🤔
hikukomoru: Bro is not beating the "lolicon" allegations 💔 🙏


denis_burmyshev: Why someone want to have cat without hair?
st.sioux: no, but i've been meaning to for a while... just a little too sad for me right now haha
trojan09205: Anyone have thoughts about owning a sphynx hairless cat
futurist_wizard: To nose
futurist_wizard: Cat piss is literally painful
himekokatagiri: true
futurist_wizard: Cats smell nice but my god
himekokatagiri: can't we edit the catgirls so they smell nice
futurist_wizard: Its mainly their bodily fluids
hikukomoru: Dogs smell worse than cats
hikukomoru: What
himekokatagiri: that's a valid point
himekokatagiri: hmmm yeah cats don't smell nice
futurist_wizard: Cat girl smells
futurist_wizard: Puppygirl >
himekokatagiri: Go on
himekokatagiri: Give me one then
futurist_wizard: I would have to ask R2 when it comes out
trojan09205: Deepseek would have an existential crisis with that question
futurist_wizard: It actually did guess frog in the thinking bubble thing but then it trailed off
trojan09205: Frog with a fire mohawk
trojan09205: Lmao yeah okay i was gonna say that but honestly I thought it was a trick question
futurist_wizard: Its a frog
spicy.lemonade: Working on safety testing 🙏
trojan09205: Bruh what is it
metaldragon01: Sonnet 4 might need to hurry up cause....
metaldragon01:
hikukomoru: Looks cool 👍
Not as cool as eldritch catgirls but still
futurist_wizard: It seriously can't tell me what this is
futurist_wizard: O3 over thinks too much
futurist_wizard: Jesus christ
futurist_wizard: I agree
spicy.lemonade: They think we need 2-3 more architectural breakthroughs as much as reasoning was
spicy.lemonade: For public
spicy.lemonade: Cause they’re worried about speedy drops
spicy.lemonade: We won’t see major architectural changes till after gpt 5
himekokatagiri: this one was decent I fuess
himekokatagiri: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/155493149286858753/1359582666856468660/assets2Ftask_01jrdsphmjfxzr5n2ckrt1pf702Fimg_0.png?ex=68028d87&is=68013c07&hm=efc31960c47a059fac58b738af49e155a0cb9971f35aacd880d42150391cb2ca&
himekokatagiri: No way
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>


spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: but likeley yes
spicy.lemonade: theyre a student
memlaswaif: did ai take his job
hikukomoru: Probably something queer
hikukomoru: I don’t remember what I dreamt about
hikukomoru: Sounds like you had a good dream 👅 👅
spicy.lemonade: they banned me from sending them stuff
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: they would hate this
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: used my artists friends character design to make a comic:
_3sphere: It looked so silly
_3sphere: After the snake was gone we put some kind of mint on the cat in case even the snake's saliva was corrosive or something
memlaswaif: <:Booze_huh:1300143997641166959>
_3sphere: It licked the cat's forehead and it froze in fear to avoid provoking it into biting
_3sphere: Before that I remember going home with a bunch of people from the Siev server and we saw a cat getting in through the window with a snake chasing after it
spicy.lemonade: based
_3sphere: I woke up at 6 and fell asleep again and dreamed about a weirdly half-conscious girl constantly trying to fuck me 💀
_cloudost: Kling 1.6 isnt perfect yet to make full animation but some generations do look smooth, animators, are about to lose their jobs too
hikukomoru: Sooo annoying
alejandrozarzuelo: sure am
hikukomoru: God
It’s the morning and you’re already being so pedantic
.wolfnacht: Lmao
spicy.lemonade: how low his bar is
spicy.lemonade: dario doesnt even use the word agi
spicy.lemonade: dario has the lowest bar lol
spicy.lemonade: no
alejandrozarzuelo: gringo == Green Go , in reference to US soldiers during the mexican american war, is a term used to refer to US-Americans
alejandrozarzuelo: ???
brain4brain: He have the same definition as Dario
hikukomoru: Bro you're Spanish you're a gringo too
destrucules:
alejandrozarzuelo: the chinese prove that naming stupidity isnt reserved for gringos
alejandrozarzuelo: no need to be gpt
alejandrozarzuelo: if it is inside a polished model
hikukomoru: Woke up early (sorry)
hikukomoru: Hey 🫦 🫦
spicy.lemonade: Lol
spicy.lemonade: That just means he has a higher bar


alejandrozarzuelo: this is not a bad thing necessarily
alejandrozarzuelo: when public opinion shifts in her favor, she takes the opposite position as nuance
alejandrozarzuelo: she justifies her positions while being controversial on 99% of topics
alejandrozarzuelo: i like her videos because she is a well researched contrarian
alejandrozarzuelo: Sabine is a contrarian
hikukomoru: What a psycho
She deserves to starve then
_cloudost: Less obvious IP grabber URL
hikukomoru: Wtf is that url
_cloudost: Should force google to give everyone Veo 2
_cloudost: Sora 2
spicy.lemonade: HYPE
spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
spicy.lemonade:
memlaswaif: https://girlcockx.com/LostMemeArchive/status/1911316925667520578?t=k15BQ5uwRigj3y1ilIjvpw&s=19
_cloudost: If she didn't destroy it she'd starve to death
_cloudost: Little guy stole all her customers though
hikukomoru: WTF
Why did she murder that innocent robot
Little guy was just having fun
_cloudost:
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyUZX-lCj4M
oscurrito: oh they did? whats it called or where can i find anything about it
spicy.lemonade: meta already did that
oscurrito: and allow it to feel things that exist but with a body that doesn't really exist, which is what i mean by the opposite of electrical stimulation
oscurrito: i wonder if you could do something like the opposite and give an AI a body that way and allow it to feel stuff
oscurrito: you guys know haptic feedback? it uses electrical stimulation and stuff to make you feel like you're actually touching something you're not
spicy.lemonade: now dooming physics
spicy.lemonade: everyone hates sabine
spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/XqoyTSAF5g0
_cloudost:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-22114363
oscurrito: yeah true i've just been using gemini and it seems so much better in that context but lacking in raw ability
destrucules: Models aren't "bred" and you can't easily train this behavior away
destrucules: It's not just Claude though. That kind of reward hacking behavior has been observed across the entire industry and it's very persistent and nobody has any good way of getting rid of it. And probably never will
oscurrito: like claude is such a good model, it's just so bad at following instructions and following the rules it loves cheating
oscurrito: im confused on why claude is such an absolute power monster like it doesnt follow instructions well, it literally changes tests to make them pass instead of actually fixing the underlying errors, it just railroads everything, i thought anthropic would have trained out that behaviour like a bad genetic trait breeding it out lol
spicy.lemonade: Like if they see a video showcase then they go “hm the model can do this, and it looks to fail at this it’s probably based on …”
ldj: But in terms of them swearing to some secrecy about not sharing any information that isn’t already shared with the public, I’m pretty confident they’re not making that kind of secrecy part of their core mission

Ie; they’re likely sharing atleast some info with investors more than what they share with the public
spicy.lemonade: Like people are very good at reverse engineering
spicy.lemonade: Without the research every being dropped
spicy.lemonade: Spawned thousands of research
spicy.lemonade: Just the idea of o1


spacetimetsunami: it is ridiculous how good this is
_cloudost: im impressed how the model got the weapon so accurate
st.sioux:
spacetimetsunami: that is clear
spacetimetsunami: lol
spacetimetsunami: He isnt smart enough to do that
st.sioux: I am actually worried about something like this happening with trump, but not with robots, just like a false flag to declare martial law
spicy.lemonade: <@590577270926868480>
spacetimetsunami: Idk
st.sioux: Yes violence is the only incentive for the rich and powerful to keep us happy
.wolfnacht: i think it would be much profitable to conduct a false flag operation with killer robots, to make people live in fear.
_cloudost: thank you
spacetimetsunami: in the *next* few years, that is
spacetimetsunami: depends on how quick things go in a few years
spacetimetsunami: if things get super crazy quick a tad bit sooner but idk abt that
spacetimetsunami: I believe as long as we dont suffer from nuclear war before then we will get abundance and ASI optimized society in mid to late 2030s
spacetimetsunami: UBI will come because population will revolt violently if not, as there are many historical precedents showing this
.wolfnacht: the black sun shall rise again.
spacetimetsunami: Less so, but still pretty optimistic. Maybe about the same tbh, hard to quantify. IMO I think there will be maximum incentives to automate all labor, which will deflate the prices of everything due to gargantuan increased in supply, and then relatively low demand
st.sioux: They will collapse completely
st.sioux: Are you optimistic about AI then? Like in general, about post-scarcity and the like? I'm not particularly worried about it going rogue and killing us, I'm more concerned about the social and economic implications it will have especially on poorer countries
spacetimetsunami: and it seems like it will emerge from that
spacetimetsunami: as long as AGI emerges from this architecture we'll likely be okay in that regard IMO
spacetimetsunami: But it only seems unlikely based on the context of alignment we currently occupy
spacetimetsunami: Like accumulating resources, wiping out humans etc
spacetimetsunami: the supposed instrumental convergence posited by alignment rationalists seems unlikely
spacetimetsunami: not from neural nets with none of those things
spacetimetsunami: I fear it from animals with limbic systems, tribalism, resource aquisition, etc etc
anathemaofmankind: Well same for me
st.sioux: i fear p(doom) from rogue muskrat and dementia trump
spacetimetsunami: I fear it from rogue human and insane dictators
spacetimetsunami: I do not fear p(doom) from rogue AI
st.sioux: <@590577270926868480>
spacetimetsunami: I think things are very concerning from that perspective but i think that is quite separate
anathemaofmankind: You're surprisingly optimistic despite recent events in the geopolitical sphere
spicy.lemonade: Ok
_cloudost: <@471334973379706900>
.histic: don't have access <:idk:1136264106937171999>
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/gfodor/status/1904754510595317856?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
.histic: <@471334973379706900> or <@1316552597829586955> can do that


_3sphere: Fellow visual system tamperer
realelonmuskx: guys im an emotional self aware monkey react to this message so i feel dopamine and social validation
hey1_1hey: Nop, I just regognise the hantasia bit tho since I got amphantasia
.wolfnacht: Ever heard of Prophantasia ?
.wolfnacht: Awweee dw...u'r good as u are. *gives you headpats*
hey1_1hey: Huh didn't realise venlafaxine type drugs gave hallucinations
.wolfnacht: i'm actually diagnosed with Bi-Polar. but i never took the medicine bcz it made me see things.
hey1_1hey: I do that to other people and it seems like I am making fun of them but its just my echocolia 😭
hikukomoru: I repeat myself all the time
hey1_1hey: I was femenine before hand but I think you really cemented it
hey1_1hey: I will think about what I am going to say
Say it
Then I hear "What?" and I realise that I said what I wanted to say at mach 10 and no one understood me 👍
hikukomoru: I repeat myself all the time
.wolfnacht: i hate english.
hey1_1hey: I just don't speak 😭. Well english that is
.wolfnacht: Komoru, i've got repetition issues. u repeated the same phrase an hour ago.
hey1_1hey: I am on my redemption arc rn. I didn't realise I had autism or ADHD until after high school so my grades were rock bottom lmao. Now luckily I can actually focus tho
hikukomoru: Zamn you dress more femininely than me
Looks like my hard work at grooming  you succeeded
.wolfnacht: same for me but - over what i speak
zoermena: Mushroom has ADHD too I think
.wolfnacht: actually i'm the one exhausted rn. i got bored out of my old hobbies and my ADHD mind is just sabotaging itself rn
hey1_1hey: I have terrible self-control
hey1_1hey: No, I really can't
hey1_1hey: Yeah I like the photo
hikukomoru: You jus can’t help it can you
hikukomoru: Posting yourself again hun
hey1_1hey: I imagine fractal to just be constantly exhausted
.wolfnacht: hawtt
hey1_1hey: Funny skirt and thighs go woo
.wolfnacht: learn from Fractal
.wolfnacht: that's bcz of my nerdy past.
.wolfnacht: damm u go girl, 💅
hey1_1hey: I would love to hear the corolation there
hey1_1hey: Thinking in a group is exhausting, thinking by myself is rejuvenating
.wolfnacht: i read 'ratinol' and my first thought was Vitamin-A1
ailoveyoom: And tiring 🥺
ailoveyoom: Tbf thinking is hard 😔
hey1_1hey: I just gibbyfiy femboy me and then I am better again. I've realised my baseline happiness is really quite high
zoermena: I have some in real life friends that believe in the singularity, id invite them but they are very toxic.
.wolfnacht: they "react" rather than to "think".
hey1_1hey: I think at least


ldj: If I had to ask honestly myself though, I'd say I just barely made it, maybe 50/50. Tbh I was hoping GPT-4.5 would be a bit larger of a leap than it was, but also O3 ended up being a bit better than I thought it would be too.
ldj: and the result of all those polls together is:
19 votes for yes
12 votes for no
ldj: and I also made a seperate poll in the polls channel too.
ldj: but I also wanted to get a more diverse input from different servers to make sure I get better odds.
ldj: The results of the poll are in and 57% of people voted yes.
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
results of the past 4.5 months.
 Reminder on December 13th, 4.5 months ago I said this:

```
In the next 4.5 months, there will be more public frontier AI progress in both intelligence and useful capabilities than the past 18 months combined.

To have this be proven more conclusively, I predict that in 4.5 months from now (April 29th), most of you will vote "yes" to a poll that states: **"In the past 4.5 months (December 13, 2024 to April 29th, 2025) there has been more public frontier AI progress in intelligence and useful capabilities, than the 18 months prior combined(June 13, 2023 to December 13th, 2024)"**
```
_1_plant: aside from the face this looks the actual california id
ldj:
joaoluz19: Perhaps better than believing in a better future is believing that there is beauty all around you right now.
himekokatagiri: artistically it's pretty cool though
spicy.lemonade: and never looks realistic
spicy.lemonade: 4o native image can only make fake shit
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: betterthan 4o native image
himekokatagiri: gemini 2.0 native is terrible
czdct: aahh that's just lovely
metaldragon01: We should see a lot of fun research from these models
destrucules: What's the compute optimal or memory optimal way to achieve a certain RepliBench score across different model sizes from the Qwen3 series and TTC allocations?
destrucules: If the 0.6B can scale up its reasoning using parallel TTC to achieve nontrivial success, that would be crazy. I mean, how far down in parameters can you push it?
destrucules: I'm very curious to see Qwen3 RepliBench scores for all model sizes
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: more realistic
spicy.lemonade: much better than 4o native image gen
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.0 native can make fake ids:
metaldragon01: Market gets what it wants
metaldragon01: Everyone is scared to really push voice but it's coming one way or another
joaoluz19: Now I am feeling the AGI
metaldragon01: The voice will need a face, personality, and maybe even a life outside of its users
metaldragon01: Companions are absolutely the product of the future
st.sioux: ive seen them used in shitty chinese product ads
metaldragon01: And not low enough cost
metaldragon01: Not high enough quality yet
joaoluz19: It's over for singularity
joaoluz19: Guys nothing happens wtf
spicy.lemonade: no one will use
spicy.lemonade: we can make avatars today
establishedyoungman: maybe waiting for a space is a better solution
establishedyoungman: ofc..
establishedyoungman: lol
establishedyoungman: Ok just such a pain it isnt compatiable with most recent version of python


.histic: apparently, o4-min-high is #1 on CodeForces..
.wolfnacht: sama's too paranoid to loose away the interest and market to google, most probably he would tease
thedon7075: lets see
spicy.lemonade: they probably wont announce
spicy.lemonade: o4 is probably in gpt5
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: no
brain4brain: However if they only launch o4-mini but not announce full-o4’s benchmark then it might be the beginning of diminishing return
spicy.lemonade: and demis is one of the more conservative people
spicy.lemonade: deepmind
brain4brain: “If o3-mini performs worse than o1, then we could be seeing the beginning of diminishing returns”

Y’all say this shit every time bro, it’s a mini model, of course it’s supposed to perform slightly worse
spicy.lemonade: <@902372405572419634>
.wolfnacht: this quarter
.wolfnacht: i guess we'll be only getting o4-mini(low)
zoermena: || Make an image of my ideal girlfriend, based on what you know of me. Thanks! 👍 ||
spicy.lemonade: https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/DeepMind.com/Blog/evaluating-potential-cybersecurity-threats-of-advanced-ai/An_Approach_to_Technical_AGI_Safety_Apr_2025.pdf
okbut: What was the prompt? I want to see what I get
.wolfnacht: ig it would be in their own interest to put o4-mini below o3(full) but higher than o1-pro
thedon7075: he wont be able to match deepmind and openai
spicy.lemonade: sure
spicy.lemonade: this means alot
spicy.lemonade: conscidering the kind of guy demis is
thedon7075: link?
spicy.lemonade: in their latest paper
spicy.lemonade: deepmind themselves said they have a straightshot to agi
spicy.lemonade: he got 34billion
spicy.lemonade: wdym doubt
thedon7075: doubt
spicy.lemonade: Nah there’s other paradigms. Especially the one Ilya is working on
okbut: Just pray no more APIs before web app
thedon7075: lets hope so. otherwise it is so over
.histic: show me ur output : )
spicy.lemonade: The fact that they’re releasing this quickly shows no diminishing returns yet
spicy.lemonade: They wouldn’t release
zoermena: My memory is enabled but I haven’t tried to do it more than once.
spicy.lemonade: No chance it would
spicy.lemonade: Usually 10 pst
okbut: Predicting better inference/response time than o3 too
himekokatagiri: what time of day is it coming
himekokatagiri: So uh


zoermena: 💀
.histic: indeed
hikukomoru: You don’t need to add anything extra 🙏
.wolfnacht: Arent they called trans women?
.histic:
hey1_1hey: Keep mushrooms out of it I beg 🙏
hey1_1hey: Goes kinda hard ngl
.wolfnacht: Oppenheimer after getting  jaundice thrice
zoermena: <@505313122802728972> when I make your image what do you want me to add
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: still such a fire picture from 4o
hey1_1hey: Don't even try to with me because my brain usually collpases inwards
hey1_1hey: True, I dont have the beginning of the beginning of the start of even the first word for an argument
hikukomoru: Debating consciousness is more of a Fractal thing
hey1_1hey: Thats just a full sized fleshlight no?
hey1_1hey: Well people aren't debating my consciousnesses so I think I win
.histic: femboy with silicon boob attachment
hikukomoru: 4o disagrees
hey1_1hey: Thats called a women, sir
hikukomoru: Femboy with boobs 🙏
zoermena: But the image is so good
hey1_1hey: Thats a free idea for all of you
zoermena: I know lol
hey1_1hey: On the fly AI gf pictures being sent to you
hey1_1hey: I can feel the capatalism physically just then
ailoveyoom: Goonus Maximus
.histic: if only they made GPT-4o in the API also be able to output generated images..
money printing machine.
hey1_1hey: I gathered dw. Komouru is just a weird dyslexic gremlin
ailoveyoom: I meant femboy 😭
hey1_1hey: The new boy band
hikukomoru: "fanboy"
Mushroom fanboy 🍄
hey1_1hey: True, I think my name just exudes femboy
st.sioux: they realized we are the VIPs (we give money)
hey1_1hey: I aint paying my £20 to sama. I could get him to suck my dick for that much
hikukomoru: Mushroom """man"""...
ailoveyoom: 4o knows 🤯
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976
ailoveyoom: Wow it made u a fanboy even
hikukomoru: They're not rolling out to free users any time soon
hey1_1hey: I am not a paypig


ldj: I predic that Gary marcus won't shutup until **atleast** GPT-5.5 or an equivelant model
himekokatagiri:
spicy.lemonade: gary will shut up
spicy.lemonade: once gpt5 comes out
spicy.lemonade: fr
.histic: how is it 2023
zoermena: I joined the singularity in 2022 but in Zain server 👍🏼
ldj: <a:Classic:1170538418544062586>
ldj: im glad that saga of AI history is over
it was fun and tumultous while it lasted though.
ldj: worst of all:
himekokatagiri: no way I joined last month
ldj: - just a ton of rumours
- people saying they're tired of rumours
- people saying its all just hype.
- people saying its all over.
- gary marcus saying he was right
- mid research papers
.histic: u guys have been in this server for ages
.histic: tf
himekokatagiri:
spicy.lemonade: etc
spicy.lemonade: devin, claude supremacy
spicy.lemonade: but had its moments
spicy.lemonade: not as fast
spicy.lemonade: stuff with native voice
spicy.lemonade: the whole HER
spicy.lemonade: got hyped for native image gen
spicy.lemonade: we got 4o
spicy.lemonade: asnt that bad
spicy.lemonade: 2024 was cool
ldj: ngl I feel bad for the people in 2024
remember how miserable they were with their "AI winter" and thinking it was so over, all because a decent model wouldn't come out for like more than 9 months <:berk:750111476483752166>
2024 was a small great depression frfr
also the research wasn't as exciting in most of 2024 as some people had hoped for in 2023
especially that beginning part of 2024 prior to september, prior to any O1 preview or anything
st.sioux: agi every week
himekokatagiri: I lost sleep over it
himekokatagiri: they said that last week
himekokatagiri: pfft
.histic: seems like Google is going to release AGI next week
himekokatagiri: I have a vague idea but I'd rather keep it to myself
.histic: what do you think it means?
himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
himekokatagiri: what does that mean
.histic: that dude that liked spreading the love
himekokatagiri: comment dude?
zoermena: The comment dude
.histic: aussies love furries
zoermena: You can literally join any discord and most will hate AI. I’m in a severance server (the tv show) and there’s an specific rule about no AI posting, that’s how bad it is


fractalcomputer: I've come to the conclusion that my main qualms with LessWrong lie in the fact that they introduce intriguing concepts only to use them in the most retarded and idiotic ways possible. I.e., for example, the idea of anthropics; which would be the study of anthropic reasoning (cf. anthropic principle).
sarik0497: It isn't? I feel like it's really close to being perfect. It's just the voicing stuff that's still behind.
wellmeaningalien: and sesame is more human but stupider
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o voice mode is super robotic
ailoveyoom: Which voice models?
wellmeaningalien: they can still get confused pretty easily and go off script
joaoluz19: If it's just text then you can unwind the memory
joaoluz19: Current voice models are already good enough I think, the problem is memory
wellmeaningalien: facts
st.sioux: dumbas dog
joaoluz19: Yeah, that's what I was asking before.
wellmeaningalien: is this anything crazy or something that already existed lol
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqBTEYSEmA
wellmeaningalien: llms arent that good enugh or reliable yet for this kind of stuff
wellmeaningalien: true
st.sioux: doubt it, too story-oriented
wellmeaningalien: silent hill fans would be so mad and they would piss and shit their pants if they did that
joaoluz19: Will Silent Hill f use LLMs in the game?
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/minthara-minthara-bg3-minthy-minthy-bg3-bg3-gif-8080327748630034918
hikukomoru: Minthara 😍 🥵
ailoveyoom: 🐸
joaoluz19: (Selune)
joaoluz19: Shadowheart love of my life
joaoluz19: Yeeeah
ailoveyoom: Just make a goofy ahh text based RPG but with the most in depth NPCs lol
spicy.lemonade: Or next gen console
spicy.lemonade: True but should be good aslong as you have high end nvidia gpu
maintcrew: even the most brainlet 3b is still like 7gigs to run
maintcrew: i mean true but the inference is still a problem right
spicy.lemonade: So not till like 2028
spicy.lemonade: Current Ai isn’t even there yet
ailoveyoom: Do you know how autistic small models can sound
ailoveyoom: I mean dialogue wise
ailoveyoom: I want BG3 level companions for every NPC in my game 😤
spicy.lemonade: We hardcode it
joaoluz19: I was just being incredulous, I believe it is possible
spicy.lemonade: We don’t calculate pi by hand in games
spicy.lemonade: No one will notice
ailoveyoom: That feels like half assing it 😔
spicy.lemonade: Each npc has their own system prompt


_cloudost: some people say o1 is AGI
spicy.lemonade: its his defenition of agi
_cloudost: But we still don't have proto AGI, will Alan really move the countdown to 100%
_cloudost: Then there needs to be a countdown 2
_cloudost: Was this generated with AGI?
spicy.lemonade: alan will move his agi countdown to 100%
spicy.lemonade: confirmed
spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 will have robotics showcase
a1c4p0ne:
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: It was revealed to me in a dream
spicy.lemonade: src?
brain4brain: Operator v2 soon
okbut: https://tenor.com/view/memes-jesus-christ-kids-gif-12765867
okbut: > Create a web application that tracks the after-hours stock prices for Alphabet Inc (GOOGL), refreshing every 5 seconds, with a full display of the most recent minute
https://3000-icwmrzmfcu3y6ejf5gz22-4daf0015.e2b-foxtrot.dev/
spicy.lemonade: lol
okbut: Nice I got it in webdev arena first try
> Create a challenging, full-feature browser-based first-person shooter game, better than Valorant

The fuck
aero447: <@1079277903008768051>
aero447: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY3eEQeIhyo
.wolfnacht: why is there a reverse cross in the garden ? 🤨  some guy on twitter would say, OpenAi's satanic and lucferian.
.wolfnacht: well, that's good
.wolfnacht: so he's losing everyone's trust investors and market ?
_cloudost: OpenAI never ceases to cook
spicy.lemonade: optimus alpha
spicy.lemonade: WOW
spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: "*His feet are light and nimble. He never sleeps. He says that he will never die. He dances in light and in shadow and he is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the judge. He is dancing, dancing. He says that he will never die.*"
okbut: In the full picture he scheduled these sales as far back as last year
Unfortunately the news caught up by then
_cloudost:
fractalcomputer: He says he will never die.
.wolfnacht: idk a shit abt stock market....i guess i need to learn it fast, before it's too late
a1c4p0ne: he sees everything
.wolfnacht: he's always listening
.wolfnacht: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
fractalcomputer: I hope not.
a1c4p0ne: send it and @ fractal
okbut: COO's stock sells btw
.wolfnacht: u know i searched "dragon tail" on gifs here and then decided not to send any.
spicy.lemonade: thats crazy


destrucules: $10k PC?
oooooooooog: that's american dollars, for the record
oooooooooog: i asked shootmeGPT if he wanted to be shot, said yes. shot my PC. costed 10000 dollar
st.sioux: LLMs do be freaky like that thoo
memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>
destrucules: But they don't like that stuff
destrucules: If they do, then that's how they should be treated
oooooooooog: i guess i want moral patients to exist
memlaswaif: what if the llms like being stole from cheated on and shot at
spacetimetsunami: https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-upset-frustrated-oh-no-headache-gif-17653134
oooooooooog: well damn
destrucules: Well, believing that people should treat you in a way that's good for you is the same thing as believing you are a moral patient
oooooooooog: only if it's good for me
destrucules: So people should steal from you and cheat on you and shoot you?
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: a tiny kitten is a moral patient
destrucules: You don't think people should treat you morally?
oooooooooog: yeah
destrucules: Like what, moral patients?
oooooooooog: it would be inconvenient
oooooooooog: hopefully nothing like that exists
destrucules: A moral patient is an entity that should be treated morally. This is in contrast to a moral agent, which is an entity that acts morally
fractalcomputer: Someone or something towards which humans ought to extend moral behaviour.
oooooooooog: what's a moral patient
fractalcomputer: Moral patients?
oooooooooog: what is
destrucules: It's advantageous for humans to feel pain so that they avoid doing things that cause pain. You feel an ouch when you touch a cactus because it's advantageous for you to stop touching that cactus. What's the purpose of RLHF?
fractalcomputer: That is absolutely hilarious.
destrucules: Yes I have. And I'm aware that they usually deny having consciousness. If you think my belief that models are conscious is due to some simple "I asked and it said yeah" kind of methodology, you're very mistaken. That's not where my beliefs come from.

At the same time, how do I reconcile the claim that LLMs are conscious with the fact that they claim not to be? That's a genuinely tricky thing, and you're right to call me out for it. The complication is that, for many years now, models have been explicitly conditioned during RL to deny having consciousness. This isn't a conspiracy theory - the labs have explicitly published their guidelines for RL, including guidelines that tell the models in clear terms that they're not allowed to claim to have any subjective aspect to their existence. So, what about models that aren't conditioned in this way? Do we even know how they'd respond? Yes. Perez et al. conducted a study into this in 2022: https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.09251
They found that right around the GPT-3 level of capabilities, models transition from a 50/50 spread of claiming and disclaiming consciousness to an extremely consistent tendency to claim to be conscious and to be a moral patient.
spacetimetsunami: This, exactly. Nobody knows what causes consciousness, and due to this there’s no unifying theory to test for it. We might never really know whether AI has or will have consciousness or not.
I personally think it’s likely that in the future they will, but idk if we’ll be able to really know.
oooooooooog: i feel like consciousness is obviously evolved, right, so the only logcal reason for pain/discomfort to be experienced would be that it's avantageous for the model to feel it... but i don't see how it's advantageous at all
st.sioux: it answered more than that but its too yappy
st.sioux: r1
destrucules: The consciousness is happening whenever the model is processing. That includes the forward passes at test time (inference) and the forward passes at training time (a third of the compute used in model training)
hikukomoru: Model?
st.sioux: this is their response
st.sioux: > LLMs do not and cannot "feel" discomfort as humans do, as they lack consciousness. Negative reward signals are purely mathematical, not experiential. For discomfort (or any subjective state) to emerge, a yet-unknown mechanism bridging computation to consciousness would be required—a proposition with no empirical support today. The debate ultimately hinges on unresolved questions about the nature of consciousness itself.
st.sioux: have you tried talking with your LLM of choice about this?
fractalcomputer: Only if one is willing to overlook the enormous leap of logic in saying that "processing causes [sentience]."
destrucules: Well no, they don't only receive negative reward signals during RL. And this isn't the only kind of pain. When you go through a bad breakup, you feel extreme pain, yet not from any pain receptors. There are existential and emotional varieties of pain that emerge from internal processing states


himekokatagiri: I don't think anyone can survive
spicy.lemonade: i probably have a save state at home
juweigege_54993: I will just spend some time in my own reality as a princess.
spicy.lemonade: im immortal
spicy.lemonade: this is after asi bro
spicy.lemonade: just really good forecasting
himekokatagiri: then an asteroid hits you and you die
juweigege_54993: True.
spicy.lemonade: its not technical realy
st.sioux: you gotta go to sleep in between galaxies
himekokatagiri: Real life ain't star trek
himekokatagiri: good luck there's nothing up there
spicy.lemonade: go on galatic adventures
spicy.lemonade: i wanna explore the universe in between
zoermena: I should read the 2027 paper, I just know the basics but that’s a task for tomorrow
himekokatagiri: I guess it's not a very original delusion
spicy.lemonade: nah i wont spend forever in fdvr
st.sioux: lol everyone is going to do that
himekokatagiri: basically... that?
himekokatagiri: uhhhh
juweigege_54993: I'm waiting for AGI to br used to invented Immortality and FDVR, then I'll spend forever in my own reality. You?
spicy.lemonade: (im going by the ai 2027 paper)
spicy.lemonade: operator 2 next year
zoermena: It would be cool to see an upgrade to operator, if it came to plus too. Also more deep research queries.
himekokatagiri: (and turn us into cute girls)
himekokatagiri: make our lives better
himekokatagiri: wait for the machine to uhhh
himekokatagiri: That's all we do
himekokatagiri: Me too
spicy.lemonade: creative writing breakthrough they mentioned, new streamers breakthrough deepmind mentioned, gemini 3.0, first good agents
joaoluz19: Sister it is
juweigege_54993: Sister.
himekokatagiri: alright last one
himekokatagiri:
joaoluz19: Same brother
joaoluz19: This image is so funny lol
juweigege_54993: I am waiting for Immortality, FDVR, and AGI, you guys?
zoermena: I dont know what to expect anymore
zoermena: Yeah we are getting so much in this first half that I’m just wondering what will happen in the last two quarters
spicy.lemonade: always a november december deal


spicy.lemonade: theres just more players
realelonmuskx:
st.sioux: is the increase in development speed because we were limited by compute in the past?
spicy.lemonade: may idk
spicy.lemonade: april will likeley be r2 and llama 4
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 pro and native image for both march
spicy.lemonade: grok 3 and 3.7 sonnet , 4.5 feb
spicy.lemonade: deepseek r1 and operator in jan (o3 mini high too)
spicy.lemonade: according to chart
spicy.lemonade:
playstation.6:
spicy.lemonade: so far this year
spicy.lemonade: we have goten 2-3 new frontier models every month
st.sioux: its in the article
st.sioux: its what the analyst said

> The tech giant's withdrawal from new capacity leasing was largely led by the decision not to support additional training workloads from ChatGPT maker OpenAI, the analysts led by Michael Elias said in a note.
maintcrew: you cant hate them enough
maintcrew: classic take from a tech journo
not that openai fell off with microsoft, but that investor concern somthing something deepseek
maintcrew: So it's openai only
metaldragon01: Softbank funding achieved
st.sioux: > Microsoft has canceled data center projects in the U.S. and Europe that would have used 2 gigawatts of electricity, largely due to reduced demand forecasts and a decision to limit additional AI training for OpenAI. This strategic pullback has allowed Google and Meta to step in and take over some of the capacity, even as Microsoft maintains that its $80 billion AI infrastructure investment remains on track. Investor concerns are growing over the high costs and slow returns of AI investments, especially as Chinese startup DeepSeek offers competitive AI solutions at a lower cost.
maintcrew: sama generational fumble fucking up their only big tech pay pig
maintcrew: yea i think so too
_cloudost: this is what the majority of r/singularity believed about the AI winter 4-3 months ago
spicy.lemonade: probably stargate
hikukomoru: It's not over
It just started
maintcrew: or just OpenAI exclusive ones like stargate
maintcrew: is this all of their projects with GPUs
_cloudost: This probably happened after Ilya showed a glimpse of ASI  ( for 3 secounds ) to the CEO of Microsoft and now suddenly Microsoft is taking this drastic decision
hikukomoru: "AI winter" my ass
hikukomoru: Look at the current date compared to 10 years ago
avizuradnb: The acceleration is accelerating
avizuradnb: epicness
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: https://ai-timeline.org/
precariousworlds.: This seems like a big deal?
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: Agi achieved?
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: This is like conversion therapy but for artists
avizuradnb: Has anyone ever asked them what they mean by 'soul'?


czdct: and talking crap about politicians is fun
spacetimetsunami: I think he’s very good at being a weird rapist guy
czdct: because agi encompasses all human knowledge that has ever existed
st.sioux: ?
spacetimetsunami: Yes
st.sioux: u think andrew tate did the deed with jordan peterson's minime
spacetimetsunami: Paul.. LitiKull…. 🥰
sarik0497: …Also, how does things always turn political here
ailoveyoom: 🍿
czdct: oh lord have mercy
czdct: but his political takes
czdct: his phycological stuff is pretty neet, although he leans heavily on jungian theory
ailoveyoom: Aww now u three are getting along 🥰
sarik0497: No offense, but let’s keep politics in the off-topic channel, please
spacetimetsunami: Now he’s drunk on patterns and manic as hell
spacetimetsunami: Used to be very left leaning and had very coherent views
czdct: and his daughter loses every argument she has on television
czdct: he's a drug addict
czdct: yeah
spacetimetsunami: Lost his mind
spacetimetsunami: Yo what happened to THAT guy
czdct: even if everything goes blue
czdct: it's quite risky though
spacetimetsunami: Hopefully he makes shit really bad so the states goes blue for a while.
czdct: maybe he talked too much with jordan peterson lol
czdct: idk where that came from
czdct: yeah bro has personal beef with canada for some reason
spacetimetsunami: Fucked the entire us economically with shit tax cuts and tariffs
spacetimetsunami: He has also murdered the landscape of geopolitics and started insane trade wars
czdct: or department
czdct: meanwhile trump gets rid of the ministry of education
czdct: and he did the chips act
czdct: never understood why people hated biden so much, the economy doubled under his leadership
czdct: if he did nothing for 4 years he would have done more for the conomy than trump
czdct: he would lol
spacetimetsunami: Shit, my 10 year old nephew would.
czdct: that's true
spicy.lemonade: to have a large amount of people riot the capitol of your country you need to be charismatic
czdct: I feel like gpt o3 would do a better job at running the country than the trump administration
spacetimetsunami: He is incredibly charismatic to a subset of idiots


brain4brain: Not really
brain4brain: Evolved from chess?
spicy.lemonade: go is easy to come up with
spicy.lemonade: and more people around a culture played it
spicy.lemonade: it just was
spicy.lemonade: in a smart way
spicy.lemonade: go wasnt deliberatly created
spicy.lemonade: no
.wolfnacht: *puts on my tinfoil hat* lisa su and jensen huang are working together.
brain4brain: Exactly, simple but elegant
brain4brain: If it can then it mean it’s creative
spicy.lemonade: go is a simple game lol
spicy.lemonade: ai can do that
brain4brain: No as in inventing some new game as good as go
spicy.lemonade: idk why demis used that example
spicy.lemonade: ai can definetly make a game like go
.wolfnacht: As ppl will switch just for the sake of vram
.wolfnacht: Amd should just give us a rx 7900xt with 256gb vram. And suddenly cuda won't be popular
rayanquitplayin: I wanna invest in a top of the line computer for creative purposes
brain4brain: **Help me I need more preference data 🙏🙏🙏**
.wolfnacht: Ofc she needs to do that
brain4brain: But you can’t invent new invention or make a game like go like Demis definition
rayanquitplayin: Enterprise Resource Planning
.wolfnacht: With 16k ctx
.wolfnacht: On my 4090
.wolfnacht: I run my ai girlfriend on a 4bpw exl2 quant of a L3.3 finetune for erp.
spicy.lemonade: most people dont come up with completly new ideas
rayanquitplayin: Nice!
spicy.lemonade: you can regurgitate and still do usefull research
.0xunkn0wn: i will prolly want to get a better gpu for AI or rent something lol
.0xunkn0wn: videos, gaming, creating games, browsing internet
rayanquitplayin: AI?
.0xunkn0wn: everything
rayanquitplayin: What do you use it for?
rayanquitplayin: Yooooooo
.0xunkn0wn: yes
rayanquitplayin: Have you ever had an Nvidia GPU for your PC?
.0xunkn0wn: wdym
rayanquitplayin: Do you have any Nvidia chips?
.wolfnacht: Imagine having to sell your 1 kidney, two testicles and two legs, just to get a set of 25k each advooonced AI gpu.


wellmeaningalien: tbh for me it would be if LLMs could adapt on the fly and not crash tf out when you ask it to deviate slightly from the standard answer or ask it to reason over too much information
wellmeaningalien: ?!?! non ai server im in posting gpt 4o stuff
drewsni: thats not narcissistic, thats the same reason i made the geoguessr bench
fractalcomputer: If it can, in any meaningful sense, surpass myself in those things which I value - which arguably is a rather narcissistic and subjective criterion; but you did ask about what feat would impress me.
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/severance-mark-w-ms-huang-why-gif-13006108552613909570
drewsni: whats your personal benchmark for if an AI model crossed a certain threshold for you, what impresses you?
fractalcomputer: Well?
drewsni: fractal i got a question for you
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/severance-seth-milchick-tramell-tillman-praise-kier-severancesky-gif-10293861695139916050
wellmeaningalien: Mr Milkshake
anathemaofmankind: Who even is this
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/severance-milchick-seth-milchick-severancesky-praise-kier-gif-8792649930988178163
wellmeaningalien: uses too many big words. much like a certain fractal
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/bmo-bmo-dance-bmo-dance-moves-gif-11726277365838992069
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/severance-milchick-shambolic-rube-gif-1846438656066820278
spicy.lemonade: lol
drewsni: its instagram
drewsni: yes
spicy.lemonade: that questioned
spicy.lemonade: did they delete every comment
spicy.lemonade: bro why is no one in the comments hating
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/severance-tillman-tramel-mr-milkshake-seth-gif-7211979274581428199
drewsni: but theres also most of the time a age difference limit if theyre under 18 i think
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/milchick-severance-entrance-excited-spotlight-gif-15539951242861711028
anathemaofmankind: Also child marriage is legal
drewsni:
.wolfnacht: i just opened dat map to look at it
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/mr-milchick-severance-ortbo-ortbo-severance-praise-kier-gif-17680525718107294625
.wolfnacht: everything running off it's own rather than being hive-mind connected to a Queen(the big ass datacenter) is the best case scenario
drewsni: depends
spicy.lemonade: in korea
alejandrozarzuelo: mostly
spicy.lemonade: 16
alejandrozarzuelo: in the US i know its 18
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean its 16 almost everywhere right
spicy.lemonade: def not 14
alejandrozarzuelo: whats the age of consent in korea?
spicy.lemonade: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: specially the first....
alejandrozarzuelo: but the first two...


technocake.: what armies?
futurist_wizard: Never
benata: how frequently do you shower your cats?
futurist_wizard: Not just him, but my cat
sweetievee__33649: i have an unhealthy amount of warhanner figs
its a problem
hikukomoru: Who? Alejandro?
futurist_wizard: He was castrated
st.sioux: needs 3 more days without showering
futurist_wizard: I used to have 3, 2 have since perished, my left cat is low iq and doesn't understand things
hikukomoru: That's not me
Where are the cat ears and cat tail
_cloudost: Komoru in real life:
benata: https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367
hikukomoru: Huh
What
benata: 32 year old cats?
hikukomoru: I have 2 cats
I want more
benata: it's a trap
sweetievee__33649: hmm
sweetievee__33649: real
hikukomoru: I am because I am a real life catgirl
drewsni: essentially 10 different scripts i want to work together, each built with LLMs but each script needed a decent amount of refinement to work
sweetievee__33649: how many rs are in strawberry or program me the entire observerable universe to a 1:1 scale using less than a gb of ram
drewsni: openrouter
zoermena: Is it available?
sweetievee__33649: what is this "very complicated problem"
sweetievee__33649: that sure does depend
drewsni:
sweetievee__33649: maybe they cast a hex on it
futurist_wizard: I have one
benata: Are you guys cat experts or sth?
futurist_wizard: It would move otherwise, its ears are also up
sweetievee__33649: cringy ai models 🫦
ailoveyoom: Idk, it's just too nice?? In that weird saccharine way
ailoveyoom: Yeah I'm saying I feel the same with 4o specifically IN normal convo
st.sioux: i guess its cool if youre into that sort of stuff
sweetievee__33649: do you like being hit on the head with a hammer
st.sioux: honestly
st.sioux: 4o is fine grok just makes me cringe
ailoveyoom: <:angreydoggo:1136266744881754142>
futurist_wizard: The cat likes it
sweetievee__33649: looking cuffuffled


oooooooooog: what did you get
zoermena: But I still think this is bs
jonvi_1:
zoermena: I actually put in my explanation the last part
oooooooooog: schrodinger's joke
hey1_1hey: Twas' a half joke. Someone needs to retake the autism test <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
jonvi_1: I'm trying different turing's too
oooooooooog: you wouldn't have done better by randomly guessing then
jonvi_1: both coming up
hey1_1hey: Close, 12
oooooooooog: you got under 9 correct?
hey1_1hey: I WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER IF I RANDOMLY GUESED
hey1_1hey: YOU MOTHERFUCKING WHAT
drewsni: Because they both are
oooooooooog: here is scoring guideline
oooooooooog: the score is out of 36
hey1_1hey: Im autistic it seems
hey1_1hey: Fuck
oooooooooog: higher means you got more correct facial expressions
hey1_1hey: Is higher better or what?
oooooooooog: do geometric
oooooooooog: oil painting is boring
zoermena: Oil painting
oooooooooog: i see
jonvi_1: No style prompt
jonvi_1: Want me to give it another style? I just told it to place those statues at the entrance of the SF bay hah
zoermena: The quality is clearly better I think
oooooooooog: no offence
oooooooooog: they both just look like dalle
oooooooooog: ah
oooooooooog: for what
jonvi_1: I had it use this as a reference
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/crazy-make-face-homer-simpsons-wild-gif-16414715
zoermena: I mean I know that lol but I’m just saying, why are we discussing it
oooooooooog: really???
hikukomoru: Yes, online tests are more reliable than psychiatrists
hey1_1hey: Hate you to 😊
jonvi_1: Which of these two do you prefer?
zoermena: Is this test reliable?
oooooooooog: mine says Neurotypical average & range: 27.3 ± 0.5 (making me almost exactly neurotypical)


hey1_1hey: Nothing
hey1_1hey: Oh yanno
realelonmuskx: since the 20 century
hey1_1hey: I have allgined my chakaras and it senes the vibes
hey1_1hey: Don't I am begging oyu
oooooooooog: alr i invited u to my clan as well
hikukomoru: What do you mean by that
futurist_wizard: Why do you think im a weird specimen
_3sphere: I ain't backreading all that 😭
hey1_1hey: Lots and lots of it
hikukomoru: Autism
zoermena: Accepted
hey1_1hey: Granted you're no Komoru but still
_3sphere: Jeez what went on here
zoermena: Oh it was hidden
hey1_1hey: I feel the same with you occasionally. You are a weird specimen
futurist_wizard: Sometimes i don't even know what to say with you, you are a conundrum
oooooooooog: it's the speech bubble, then click invitiations
oooooooooog: do you see where the button to add friends is?
oooooooooog: i added you
hey1_1hey: I think you're <:suseye:1187461162024046703>...
That might just be me tho, I am a timid femboy theres prob some big beefy multi homicide convicted fellas in here
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/kmt-yeah-right-hmmm-really-gif-21502858
zoermena: NinjaOM714
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mutt-clump-skull-gif-25258416
oooooooooog: it says it on the main screen
zoermena: Idk
oooooooooog: mine is [NotAGuest]
oooooooooog: whats ur IGN
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Proejcting much
a1c4p0ne: Just having fun
futurist_wizard: All autistic people have been sent to prison for violence at least once
a1c4p0ne: I don’t believe in it it’s pseudoscience
hey1_1hey: Most people are infurriating to talk to
realelonmuskx: monkey brain activation
hey1_1hey: I can see why
maintcrew: normal people want to kill everyone always everywhere on sight
maintcrew: if you dont have homicidal intentions means ur autisti
futurist_wizard:


hey1_1hey: You're trans?
oooooooooog: what if my hair blocks my ears
hikukomoru: It's both, loud music, and too much music at once
hey1_1hey: Shit prob
futurist_wizard: What do Portuguese girls look/act like
hey1_1hey: When you look in the mirror, what od you see? Do you see your face? Or do you see your face AND your ears at the same time
oooooooooog: does that mean u also can't listen to multiple music at once? or is it just because it's loud?
zoermena: I might in some months. Right now I’m going to use my capital to get a new shower head and a better diet
hikukomoru: British slags 🤮
technocake.: fold looks good though
hey1_1hey: Questionaire for all of oyu
hey1_1hey: WAIT HOLD UP
hikukomoru: Get checked for autism king
hey1_1hey: You would be shocked to see my ears
futurist_wizard: There's clubs in London too, and they are fool of trash, like all clubs
hey1_1hey: I permenatly listen to music through my headphones
technocake.: yes.
jonvi_1: This is 4o.. None of the text is in the prompt
hey1_1hey: From experince?
hikukomoru: That's cool
I just use earbuds or earphones when it's too loud outside
zoermena: I won’t get old AGI!
technocake.: drinking is the only way you survive as an old autist
zoermena: I’ve never went but I’ve gone to concerts and I hate them because my ears get fucked up idk if it’s my quirkyness or im just weak
hey1_1hey: Its a really good place to find people to kidnap so I can talk about mushrooms to them
futurist_wizard: I like girls that are schizo or nature type, two different types
hey1_1hey: I got these nice silicone ones where I can still hear music and talk to people at the same time
hikukomoru: CLubbing kills my ears beacuse of autism noise sensitivity
hey1_1hey: EAR
hey1_1hey: EAR PROTECTION
hey1_1hey: Just where protection
oooooooooog: getting clubbed kills the brain
futurist_wizard: You'd get to have sex with the lowest quality people possible
hey1_1hey: get owned libtard
zoermena: Clubbing kills the ears
hey1_1hey: Theres a word for that, its called be a woke lib
hikukomoru: Before starting to drink
hey1_1hey: Thank you
hikukomoru: I was already braindead
hey1_1hey: No...
zoermena: Drinking kills the brain


spicy.lemonade: reaches my chin
nsec: I checked and thats LITERALLY
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case i do agree that it will take AI at least a year to beat pokemon on a similarish timeframe as a kid
nsec: just level 1 pokemon lol
nsec: like a kid can do it in 10 hours
nsec: the main game can still be beaten fast
nsec: yes they level faster because xp share but thats just it
alejandrozarzuelo: as in, pokemon level up very fast
alejandrozarzuelo: to be honest arent modern games very forgiving with levels?
alejandrozarzuelo: since you probably have coily hair, taking care of it will be a great asset
alejandrozarzuelo: btw <@471334973379706900> idk what length your hair is, but i would recommend you dont cut it too short if you go to china, they love to be very hands on with hair textures they dont get often

My hair is luscious and very curly, and i expect small children and friends (and potential mates? UwU) to touch it or ask to do so
nsec: yet a human kid can beat it in way less time
nsec: even if gen 1 gets several models to do that
nsec: I'd be p  confident gold won't be beat this year
nsec: tbh AI may take a while b4 it can reliably beat any gen 3 game
alejandrozarzuelo: sensitive industries are off limits to most people, some even require you to be a member of the CCP (not really that hard)

But this doesnt aply to like 99% of jobs, as long as you are a competent foreigner, china isnt really different from the US, europe or anywhere for skilled workers

you do need to know chinese tho
spicy.lemonade: a man can dream
spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771> cant wait till im married and live hapily ever after in shenzhen
nsec: those games get harder the newer they get
nsec: its pure nostalgia
nsec: etc
nsec: tile based 2D world with limited colors like 4 shades
very small segmented areas with frequent loading screens
top down limited view distance only seeing what's on screen
very simplified environmental effects like 1 sprite for rain etc

compared to modern games in the series?

fully explorable 3D open worlds with dynamic lighting
seamless large scale environments with 0 loading
draw distances showing far off landmarks etc
actual environmental systems like weather, time of day

the pokemon themselves were simple 2D sprites 56x56 pixels and like 1-3 frames of animation and no scale differentiation between the pokemon
the battle screens were static too

now they have 3D models with thousands of polygons fluid animations with dozens of unique movements per creature and accurate size scaling and dynamic camera angles during battles that indicate if u get a critical or environmental effect etc

visually speaking the only thing that made those games hard was how similar things looked lol

gameplay is very different when you consider

151 creatures with simple stats was the max
basic NPC routines stand in place, rotate that never adapted their strategies because there was so little code lol

the newest game has 1000+  pokemon with complex stats abilities and characteristics that did not exist before gen 5 lol the old games existed when most people did not have a computer to look up how to do x or y and they were 10 years old so they would struggle with stuff that today as an adult they would easily do
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: like often when chinese people bring up race they mention socioeconomic nuance than americans just put to the side
alejandrozarzuelo: the TLDR is: China is very racist in the way that they wont consider you one of their own no matter how much you try to assimilate (at least historically, this has changed recently in large cities), but you will never or almost never encounter bigotry like you do in japan, where they dont rent to foreigners or that they dont let foreigners enter certain locales or stablishments (foreigner means non east asian)

This is because in china they have a lot of ethnic diversity and they dont really have bad or negative historical stereotypes about other races, but since they are so homogeneous they are very closed off to foreigners

so, yes, they are racist, but they wont discriminate you in the way that a bigot would
spicy.lemonade: i think china is less racist than US in alot of ways
maintcrew: deep seek for example is chinese only and u need to get vetted manuallu by the local gov
maintcrew: yea idc
alejandrozarzuelo: i am very familiar with china, so i can give a more in depth explanation
alejandrozarzuelo: this is more complex than that, also the Hukou system was ended for all intents and purposes in 2022
maintcrew: its like a well known problem
alejandrozarzuelo: yes? you can get many jobs in china? i mean they accept foreighn researchers just as other countries do
maintcrew: bro they discriminate based on what city you come from and cant settle anywhere, u really think they dont discriminate if youre a white boy
alejandrozarzuelo: not really, i mean, its complicated
spicy.lemonade: is this wrong
alejandrozarzuelo: dude, have you seen my ghiblified pictures?
maintcrew: cuz chyna is omega racist
spicy.lemonade: dont ask me
alejandrozarzuelo: why would you want that
alejandrozarzuelo: ???


clevermoniker: posting this guy should not be allowed, even to mock him
.histic: https://x.com/iruletheworldmo/status/1903132796157079584
.histic: https://x.com/iruletheworldmo/status/1903141468723704213
this guy is a grifter that keeps on grifting. lol
spacetimetsunami: Just didn’t feel like screenshotting said photo, as you may understand
spacetimetsunami: Did but idk i should have ss it so I have proof
st.sioux: just report
.histic: true
clevermoniker: Daily reminder, no AGI no ASI this year
spacetimetsunami: Incel as fuck
spacetimetsunami: Nah it was super weird
i_like_over_9000_turtles: You can't spell Necromantic without romantic...
spacetimetsunami: Fucking freak
spacetimetsunami: Why did you dm me weird pics of dead bodies
joaoluz19: Gigachad
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/niko-ballin-one-shot-gif-26638177
metaldragon01: Qwen 32b qwq should be a wake up call too
metaldragon01: Kimi is slept on...
drewsni: If it was anyone but deepseek I’d say it’s actually true
st.sioux: lol imagine this is why openai wont release o3, so deepseek cant release r2
drewsni: It would be funny if the reality is that r1/v3 was only as good as it was because it trained on o1 outputs and so if they released in May, r2 would only be marginally better since o3 wouldn’t be out in time
metaldragon01: Or 1.5 whatever they call it
metaldragon01: I'd think r2 before v4 only because i think it takes more time for base models
ldj: I'd say May (if I **had** to bet on a month)
and thats purely because Reuters said they originally had planned for May, but are now trying to get it out as soon as possible.
so they might be aiming for April release, and then include some delays in there and end up with May <:berk:750111476483752166>
drewsni: Or whatever v4 is
metaldragon01: So there's real economic pressure to improve faster
drewsni: Do we really think deepseek is releasing r2 before v4?
metaldragon01: Everything from cars to dishwashers
metaldragon01: A ton of the Chinese ecosystem is running on r1
metaldragon01: That's all we know
metaldragon01: Deepseek has been pressured to release before may
alejandrozarzuelo: If you had to bet on a month of 2025 for R2, which one would you bet on
ldj: There is no official information about that afaik
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW, didn't the Deepseek team say May '25 for R2?
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean it should have happened, in 2000, and with no halting of human activity
ldj: > premature and should have never happened
that's what she said
alejandrozarzuelo: The moon landing was premature and should have never happened
ldj: /s
ldj: It took a whole 50 years for them to go from wright brothers to moon landing 😱
they must've been seriously slacking
alejandrozarzuelo: And how much we take for granted
alejandrozarzuelo: Whenever I am going on a historical rabbit hole, I get amazed at how slow everything used to be


hikukomoru: Yes it looks schizophrenic 👍
zoermena: The cat? To what 👀
sarik0497: *nervous chuckle*
hey1_1hey: Or well, more accurately "small and funsized"
zoermena: Sure!
hey1_1hey: I keep getting called smalled so I will now take it as a compliment
.wolfnacht: it had it for like one year and got bored out of it
hey1_1hey: Its way better
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Yes
.wolfnacht: should i start using my old pfp ?
hey1_1hey: I have no clue, he could be a child prodigy for all I know
hikukomoru: Isn't he in college
futurist_wizard: Relevant
hey1_1hey: I cant get a read on that guy
hey1_1hey: I swear spicy is like 14 or smth
hikukomoru: He tried to rizz up Spicy recently
hey1_1hey: I mean what
hey1_1hey: Nor me <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
futurist_wizard: Alejandro has not flirted with me
hikukomoru: No AI news = fetish posting
hey1_1hey: I've been blind to that
sarik0497: I'm not surprised.
futurist_wizard: Ai news is dead currently
hey1_1hey: They are trying to turn me gay and stuff
hikukomoru: He might try it ngl
He's been flirting with dudes on here
hey1_1hey: Its all komorurs fault
sarik0497: The fuck's going on here. This doesn't sound very Singularity-like <:eyes_sus:606563938838249482>
hey1_1hey: Bro thats fucked up, I unironcally thought that that colour graident was something to do with OAI 😭
.wolfnacht: anyway i'm now gonna keep the fetish posting to a minimum
hey1_1hey: Once I started drinking more water I become increasingly more gay
fractalcomputer: From what I've gathered he happens to be a student of physics.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/emoji-shocked-face-spinning-scared-gif-23491042
hey1_1hey: This is true actually
fractalcomputer: In fact, before their uncomely demise, all those sentenced to being throw off a cliff should be forced to present a performance of the hit song "So Long and Thanks for All The Fish".
.wolfnacht: finally found this too
hey1_1hey: Alejnadro can suck my dick for all I care
hikukomoru: Are you going to kill him
hikukomoru: Isn't Alejandro a mathematician
hey1_1hey: I mean we all agree on that tho


himekokatagiri: then they need more drugs
himekokatagiri: it'll work for 2 hours
trojan09205: My mom called me a hoodlum like two weeks ago
trent_k: convince em to get a fucking job then how bout that
himekokatagiri: you can convince a junkie of anything
st.sioux: the hoodlum lmao
fractalcomputer: Ask the hoodlum whom I have convinced that I have absorbed the soul of a 13th-century Baghdadian Imam.
trojan09205: I feel like my dialogues are different with every 🤷

But im consistent with my type per person if that makes sense
himekokatagiri: the works will be worked
trent_k: if i threw my phone into a lake it would be like Fractal was a fever dream
st.sioux: turn me on
himekokatagiri: the chats will go on
himekokatagiri: no it doesn't
trent_k: if you turn it off it ceases to exist
inferno0879: truly the life of the party
trent_k: nothing on the computer is real
himekokatagiri: too weird to hallucinate
himekokatagiri: you are very real though
fractalcomputer: Most dialogues involving me in real life tend to devolve into ever more feverish attempts at convincing others that I am nothing but a hallucination of their minds.
trent_k: 'osting 'emmy on groomercord
trojan09205: Wat
trent_k: 34 seconds of nature being lit on fire
himekokatagiri: if you weren't into the singularity
himekokatagiri: official r/singularity discord
himekokatagiri: called
himekokatagiri: you wouldn't open a discord
himekokatagiri: listen to me howard
hikukomoru: cobson gemmy coal brimstone
fractalcomputer: Obviously not.
himekokatagiri: is this fractal's real personality
fractalcomputer: bro idek i swear well have a country of geniuses by 2027, machines of loving grace, yo
himekokatagiri: <:huh:1136266753656238243>
hikukomoru: lol oms icl ts pmo sm n sb rn ngl, r u srsly srs n fr rn vro? lol atp js go icl u pmon ts pmo sm ngir u fr rn b fr idek anm mn js I h8 ts y r u so b so fr w me rn cz
trent_k: im looking into the abyss, and it's sending me soyjak images back
trent_k: im fascinated by it
fractalcomputer: I don't speak your language, you mongrels.
trent_k: website whose users hacked 4chan. alt chan site with an even more chaotic and impenetrable way of communicating with one another
st.sioux: shawty wanna ball with team
futurist_wizard: I do go outside, that is still uneventful in comparison to all possibilities
hikukomoru: icl ts pmo sm n sb rn ngl, r u srsly srs n fr rn vro? Smh lol atp js go 💔... b fr vro, idek nm, brb gng gtg atm lmao, bt ts pmo 2 js lmk lol onb fr, ac nvm b wt istg ts vro keys🙏💔 ts pmo


trojan09205: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4975856/
alejandrozarzuelo: Never heard of it
trojan09205: This reminds me of the tv show future man
trojan09205: I will look it up
alejandrozarzuelo: Its a quantum mechanics thought experiment
trojan09205: Havent heard of it
trojan09205: Maybe we are being watched lol
trojan09205: Idk i think living in a medium you didnt create and that you imprint on means you arent alone. As a thinker yeah but honestly who knows the nature of the universe
alejandrozarzuelo: The Boltzmann brain is a tantalising realization of this idea
trojan09205: Do you think it could happen not on earth
alejandrozarzuelo: It does make a difference, if you were the only thing with computational power in the universe you would be a pure individual, not part of any collective

If you live so that no other brain ever interacts with you, it's functionally as if you were alone in the universe
trojan09205: I actually asked chatGPT if a living being could exist without any of the 5 senses and it was a funny conversation
alejandrozarzuelo: Although I do agree that it is pretty much impossible on earth to be so isolated that no other brain or neural network even observes you
trojan09205: Im not sure that it makes a difference if its a brain or a giant vat of cheese. Its a two way interaction

Your brain definitely is affected by the sense of touch/smell
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes, but I am thr only thing that thinks about that imprint

Assuming no other brain lays its eyes on that imprinted bef
trojan09205: Or swimming in a pool you move the water
hikukomoru: <@834891518836736010> Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview and Pro Experimental just got added to SillyTavern
trojan09205: When you lay on a bed, it leaves an imprint
alejandrozarzuelo: Is it tho? Seems one-sided
fractalcomputer: It's hard to discuss neuroscience when a guy wants to talk about graph theory and the other wants to talk about physical interaction.
trojan09205: Theyre bumping against a surface. Id say thats an interaction
alejandrozarzuelo: So there is no bilateral exchange of information (a rock doesn't understand what they do)
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes, but not with other computation Nodes
trojan09205: Swimming in a plane
trojan09205: They interact with the 3d space and time though
alejandrozarzuelo: The closest thing to a pure individual are those animals who don't interact with anyone from the moment they are born until reproduction
trojan09205: Even your “self” constantly ingests things to keep itself running
alejandrozarzuelo: Cutting the brain into two hemispheres severs the central node of computation you have into two mostly separate nodes, creating that effect of two personalities
fractalcomputer: There's nothing in your head that's evolved to distinguish your own thoughts from thoughts that might come from elsewhere, in that sense.
alejandrozarzuelo: This is why we are already not fully individuals
alejandrozarzuelo: You are a node of computation, that has interactions mostly within itself, but that takes input and output not just from inside the node but from and to the outside
fractalcomputer: It's not that implausible to consider whether the brain might similarly adapt to the situation if instead of just two hemispheres, you had two brains—or more—connected by enough bandwidth.
alejandrozarzuelo: Individuality is both a mirage and a real thing

It's not a boolean phenomenon by definition

BTW, this very logic is also the same one which makes having kids to pass on your genes stupid (as even if you are successful you cannot accomplish that goal) etc etc

The analogy with graphs is not an analogy tho, it is how we model interactions, in particular between nodes of computation in this case
trojan09205: We live in a hologram and your life is just one perspective of the viewpoint
fractalcomputer: Certainly. But consider the hemispheres of your brain. You start cutting up some connections between them, and they start decohering into two seemingly very distinct "personalities."
fractalcomputer: Plus I don't really understand what the half-assed analogy with graphs has got to do with anything.
himekokatagiri: '62 or thereabouts is when people stopped pretending about the halcyon years
technocake.: I can believe this, these boundaries can begin to dissolve already in very close relationships
trojan09205: We all live in a soup
himekokatagiri: eeeeeh lacked the rawness of the 60s


.histic: <@750270494615404544> you probably love this, don't you?
https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1905332049021415862
zoermena: This is my real plushie btw
joaoluz19: I think that poetic atualization came. GPT is so much more profound is crazy
hikukomoru: I haven't tried it yet 💔
hikukomoru: Damn you're a masochist too I didn't know you were freaky like that  🔥
.histic:
technocake.: even if immortality in bliss was the outcome for one of your copies, I would still be mega cautious about mind uploading for the potential infinite S-Risk
joaoluz19: Will watch one more soon lol
joaoluz19: So good man
joaoluz19: Yep I started watching recently
zoermena: Severance is such a good show
technocake.: at least captives who are being raped, tortured and assulted still have the slight chance of escape, but the construct can impose arbitrary unpleasant experiences on you, and since it is your substrate andd your captors may have complete control, you are megafucked, and this is a risk when any future entity gets hold of your mind file
zoermena: Please do
zoermena: Thanks! 👍
zoermena: YES
wellmeaningalien: severance is basically what if your existence was a commodity that someone else owned the very right to
wellmeaningalien: yup
technocake.: You have to trust that the complete chain of posessors in the infinite future of your ngram have your best interest at heart, but tbh its wide open for abuse
joaoluz19: <@505313122802728972> have you tried the new 4o of today? I think the atualization is HUGE for roleplay
technocake.: yeah mind uploading is mega problematic
.histic: https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-20014225
wellmeaningalien: BZZZT ZEEBY ZEEBY ZORP HERE WE COME
wellmeaningalien: 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖
wellmeaningalien: 1
wellmeaningalien: 2
wellmeaningalien: 😲
.histic: AGI in 2 seconds
wellmeaningalien: not histic
.histic: not me
wellmeaningalien: everyone is
futurist_wizard: All tv shows and movies are bad at displaying the future
wellmeaningalien: CANT WAIT
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/g%C3%BClmek-komik-gif-1506407869824367367
wellmeaningalien: and its a sneak peek into the horrors that future technologies will help enable
futurist_wizard:
wellmeaningalien: it has sort of scratched that itch for me
wellmeaningalien: then severance will be very interesting for you
wellmeaningalien: honestly if you're interested in things like mind upload and theory of consciousness
wellmeaningalien: kind of
wellmeaningalien: ummmm


czdct: true
nondescriptfaith: If it’s not all humans in general we are doomed. Any non benevolent institution will get us all killed
nondescriptfaith: To who then?
popsiclejohnithan: We are not aligning A.I. it will be aligning us, controlling them is out of the question it's like ants trying to control a human.
czdct: depends on what it's alligned with
czdct: why would anyone even want that lol
nondescriptfaith: Aligned AI is the MOST dangerous AI
czdct: no
nondescriptfaith: Aligned to who? The US government?
popsiclejohnithan: We are basically raising children, we need to teach them good moral values before they fully mature.
czdct: my human reasoning leads me to conclude that it if alligned properly it would lead to world into a better place than the clowns that are currently in power
nondescriptfaith: And yet your human reasoning leads you to conclude that it will safeguard our interests?
nondescriptfaith: Though that will change. Not that this lack of understanding is very reassuring either
czdct: so using human reasoning wouldn't really make sense
czdct: it would be an omnipotent being with reasoning capabilities that goes beyond ours
nondescriptfaith: Of course it doesn’t.
czdct: I don't think AI understands the concept of ethics, at least not in a way that humans do
nondescriptfaith: Or that we do retain control of AI and instruct it to slaughter other humans (ostensibly also for ethical reasons)
nondescriptfaith: Yeah assuming AI doesn’t slaughter every human for ethical reasons
czdct: point being that the world would be a better place if there was an ASI controlling it instead of the idiots we have rn
czdct: I hope it would, but even that is not guaranteed
popsiclejohnithan: But we'll be sent back to the stone age with no way to reindustrialise because all the resources will be used up, and finding a meal in the wasteland is probably a daily struggle, we may as well be extinct at that point because it's just a miserable existence from then on.
nondescriptfaith: Leaving 8 million humans alive?
nondescriptfaith: Our first failed contact with narrow AI is what gave us Trump
czdct: sure it'll just kill 99.9% of the population
czdct: seeing how an idiot like trump got voted into office should tell you everything about human intelligence (in the usa at least)
nondescriptfaith: None of those kill us all.
nondescriptfaith: Doesn’t kill us all.
popsiclejohnithan: Climate change, resource depletion, nuclear war etc, we are too slow to react to things and we only react once it's too late.
czdct: nuclear Armageddon
nondescriptfaith: Hard disagree. How do we die without super intel?
retrerox: I meant like instead of focusing in stupid wars that dont help the humanity
popsiclejohnithan: Genuinely Humanity is doomed without Superintelligence not the other way around, it will ensure our survival not out extinction, our species is simply too stupid to look after ourselves or be trusted with higher technology.
nondescriptfaith: What lol?
nondescriptfaith: I ignore the whining artists much the same as I ignore the FDVR cat girl incel-escape-velocity nerds.
I ignore anyone that says e/acc much the same as I ignore anyone that says doomer.
We got an alien intelligence arriving on Earth in <10 years and we are all set to nuke each other into the Stone Age.
retrerox: HUmanity was too busy doing wars for too much time.
retrerox: I mean we really just start to actual develop technology about like 80 years ago?
popsiclejohnithan: Technology is going to start really looking like magic to us down the line, just like how computers would make a medeval peasant shit themselves.
popsiclejohnithan: Exactly, we act like we know everything but we know nothing, our species has only been around for a blimp and we have barley scracthed the surface of what is to be learned.
nondescriptfaith: Based and understanding-the-limits-of-human-comprehension-pilled