popsiclejohnithan: lol
destrucules: The best way to think about what's going on right now is to try to remember what 2019 was like. In 2019, AIs were decisively superhuman in certain narrow domains, particularly very structured ones, but humans still significantly more generally intelligent. Right now, the opposite is true. Frontier models are outstripping humans in general intelligence, but humans outperform them in narrow domains, particularly very structured ones. If you remember the years leading up to 2019, you have a pretty good idea of what it will look like for AI intelligence to continue scaling from here.
precariousworlds.: We are all retards here
precariousworlds.: No not necessarily interesting discussion to have
popsiclejohnithan: Maybe i am just a dumbass.
precariousworlds.: what does it mean to 'solve math' in this context?
Also you have to apply maths to real, physical contexts
And the universe is more than this
anathemaofmankind: Lol
fractalcomputer: Is it? I don't see how.
popsiclejohnithan: Mathmatics is the building blocks of the universe man.
fractalcomputer: If even at that.
fractalcomputer: Please don't make me dismiss your opinion.
precariousworlds.: The big question here is if Google continues to out accelerate OAI, with GPT-5 still months away, or if this marks a period of OAI regaining the lead
popsiclejohnithan: And after Math is solved, everything is pretty much solved.
popsiclejohnithan: I honestly don't see how they could be disappointed, this has been a big leap, they definitely have not mastered math yet but it's damn close, it's probably a matter of months.
destrucules: It can write maths proofs just fine. But we're only just beginning to enter the "good at frontier maths research" regime
perish0801: Yeah it’s not really at the level of writing math proofs. I saw an OpenAI researcher tweet the same thing.
destrucules: Glad I clarified. It's interesting that Terrence Tao has been so positive about AI collaboration
fractalcomputer: I've not seen a single instance of the former. A few of the latter ones, but the most sensible ones (i.e., from people like Daniel Litt) seem a bit disappointed, in some vague sense.
destrucules: Like, reticent in the "oh shit I'm scared" way, or in the "I don't want to say out loud how dumb I think this model is" way?
destrucules: reticent in what way, though?
fractalcomputer: I've seen rather reticent responses from mathematicians, even from "non-doomers".
perish0801: Hopefully it’s true
destrucules: We're crossing the human scientists don't have to work anymore threshold right now. We're crossing the ASI threshold right now. We're deep, deep within the singularity
popsiclejohnithan: It seems so honestly, all the experts are saying that it's better than them.
a1c4p0ne: o3 high is for pro users?
popsiclejohnithan: What do you think Google will show on the 22nd?
destrucules: No I mean we're crossing that threshold now
perish0801: It’s happening yes but hasn’t happened yet
perish0801: When AI becomes so smart that scientists and mathematicians don’t have to work anymore
destrucules: Oh. Well, in that case, now. It's happening now
perish0801: No I mean ASI
perish0801: Saturate benchmarks?
destrucules: We're in it
destrucules: It's happening now
3ds0662: we first need to saturate all benchmarks
3ds0662: R2 has to be amazing else no need to cop
3ds0662: they’ll definitely have to show up significantly in a remarkable way to shakeup what googles offering for free and openai right now
3ds0662: they can always find investors soo do that instead of trying to penny pinch and fork subs for every little thing
3ds0662: i think they should continue subsidizing the best models at crazy losses to their bottom end for the sake of humanity
3ds0662: yeah i dont like this pay to win trend of ever increasing subscriptions and api costs


hey1_1hey: No change then
hey1_1hey: I do remember this one time actually where I some how headbutted a guy in my dream but in the process of doing that I woke up and everything morphed around me from dream land to real life and I just ended up head butting my wall full force. I had a fat ass bruise on my head for a good rfew weeks after that
futurist_wizard: Sounds fairly correct, I'd say issues in my teenage years more
hikukomoru: And you might have a bit of an ego if you are actually a god in your dreams
hikukomoru: You are confident
futurist_wizard: If i swapped places with my dream self, 50% of the time i would be in hell
hikukomoru: This means you have unresolved issues from childhood
futurist_wizard: Wall is right next to me
hey1_1hey: Whats up with me then? Why am I a litteral God in my dreams
futurist_wizard: I do feel like this, I'm an extremely on edge person
hey1_1hey: You are litterly sleeping lying down
hikukomoru: I am going to start psychoanalyzing you
hey1_1hey: How on gods green earth did you manage that
hikukomoru: This means you feel vulnerable and helpless in your life
futurist_wizard: Fracture on my knuckle
hey1_1hey: If me and my dream self swapped for a day I would have 250 of the top fortune 500 companies, I would have a nobel prize in every catagory, I would be able to beat all notable strength world records while being injured.
futurist_wizard: I've broke my hand before punching my wall, punching someone in a dream i had
hikukomoru: Well ChatGPT is like a teacher in your pocket so I can understand it
futurist_wizard: Bruh im weak as fuck in my dreams, my punches never hurt shit
metaldragon01: Pain is temporary and it's easier to achieve things if you can accept the pain ahead of time
hey1_1hey: I have absolutly no idea how that doesn't wake me up
hey1_1hey: I always get attacked in my dreams but I am freakishly strong and nothing really "hurts" per say, its more just I have an incredible rush of adrenakine in my dream some how
futurist_wizard: Stabbed by roadman dreams as well, ive had at least 3 of thoses, those are particularly scary because getting stabbed is something that could happen
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/chill-dude-chill-dude-im-just-a-chill-dude-just-a-chill-dude-gif-15385961914175037407
hey1_1hey: I had an old friend (dont really speak to them anymore because they really were quite unstable) but anyway, they had realy horrible nightmares every night but she put it down to "the watcher" some omni opnipitent being that was in the dream, the craziest thing was that she drew it out and she even gave it pronouns and shit.

Actually schziophrenic stuff
metaldragon01: Outside of ai spaces
metaldragon01: I'm starting to see "chatgpt told me" just about everywhere now.....
hikukomoru: I never die in my dreams because I am built different
futurist_wizard: I always get eaten and wake up before i get attacked
hikukomoru: Like the moon crashing into earth or the sun swallowing earth or a giant tsunami flooding the world
futurist_wizard: I have had many zombie end of the world dreams
hikukomoru: I have lots of those
futurist_wizard: Even though it was some of the most fucked up imaginary my brain has ever generated
hikukomoru: The only dreams I remember are the cataclysmic world ending ones
futurist_wizard: For some reason i find the dream i had last night very cool
hey1_1hey: Also no, sadly not
hey1_1hey: I used to get really quite bad dreams but thats when I had pretty bad depression but then I stopped being depressed one day and now I have good dreams almost exlusivly
hikukomoru: I saw that rat
futurist_wizard: The fucked up shit my brain generates
futurist_wizard: Sometimes dream land is such bliss, but for me it can be extremely scary


spacetimetsunami: Based.
czdct: but that's conservative I think
czdct: 2035-2040 is my guess
spacetimetsunami: Because that *will* happen
spacetimetsunami: <@1352573784422350930> when do you think society will automate massive amounts of knowledge work with AI, making scientific, medical, and technological progress go super critical
czdct: heck, that guy won't even give us a functioning economy once he's done
czdct: nah ur right, ain't no way trump is giving us agi
sarik0497: True, but speaking about Trump right now isn’t AGI related, unless you expect AGI within the next 4 years
czdct: bet
spacetimetsunami: I’ll formulate a different definition that encapsulates the societal change from the technology I am imagining
czdct: if it can't give me a lap pillow or wipe my ass it's useless to me
czdct: end of discussion
czdct: agi is a ponzi scheme
czdct: yeah, singular braincell
spacetimetsunami: <@1352573784422350930> answer the AGI question………
st.sioux: that is so singular bro
spacetimetsunami: Hahahaha
czdct: it's a mistery how he didn't get his ass beaten up by other prisoners
czdct: yeah imagine the guy sitting in the jail cell next to you get women parking their car in a close proximity just so you can here their stupid music all night
spacetimetsunami: True. Although I’d never do anything he did.
spacetimetsunami: But broke as shit
spacetimetsunami: I’m strong
spacetimetsunami: I better go then:) no rich tho
st.sioux: no u wouldnt man
czdct: eastern europe in general loves the whole strong rich man persona
spacetimetsunami: That would cringe ME out
spacetimetsunami: Id kms if i was him
czdct: yeah it's bad
spacetimetsunami: So cringe
spacetimetsunami: Jesus Christ
czdct: coming up to his jail cell with a car and playing music and stuff
czdct: yeah in romania he received love letters from local women
spacetimetsunami: Worse than Romanian for sure
czdct: they'll turn him into a man
czdct: he's about to become the bottom g once he arrives in american prison
spacetimetsunami: Hope so
spacetimetsunami: No clue
spacetimetsunami: Okay Amy, assuming you’re actually legitimately a skeptic, what is your timeline’s for AGI
czdct: didn't our top g get arrested once he entered the usa?
czdct: very true


hey1_1hey: Just any drink
futurist_wizard: I think its the boxing ive done that has given me brain damage
hikukomoru: Yeah I could tell you suffered from some sort of brain damage
zoermena: Furry reference?
futurist_wizard: Yeah, had my first hit at 6, was a good one, had a stroke
abundantliving_: cocktails?
hikukomoru: Damn didn't know they were chill like that
zoermena: Yo?
futurist_wizard: My parents gave me cocaine not weed
zoermena: The only thing that I drink which might be killing me is sugary juice
zoermena: I avoid it like the plague I also dislike the taste in general
hikukomoru: Fuck I read it as "my parents gave me a blunt"
sieventer: <@749514473303179358> !
futurist_wizard: Its a big thing to them
memlaswaif: don't drink it's cringe
futurist_wizard: Only Americans care about drinking ages
hikukomoru: Can't believe americans have to wait for so long
hikukomoru: 16 is the legal age fro drinking here
futurist_wizard: Could be worse
futurist_wizard: Kids become alcoholics at 12 over here
hikukomoru: 16
futurist_wizard: How old were you
zoermena: Conservative mindset where they think that you need it to fit in
hikukomoru: I was the one who begged my parents to let me drink
futurist_wizard: My friends gave me a blunt to smoke but i rejected it before i smoked it
zoermena: Most of my friends don’t drink it that often at most I’m very lucky
memlaswaif: why does ure parent want u to drink
futurist_wizard: Not even my friends
sieventer: I mean, I think you should replace it alcohol for benzos - if your consumption is not daily
futurist_wizard: Same my parents gave me alcohol
futurist_wizard: I guess i was resilient to peer pressure
zoermena: My parents keep pushing me to start drinking it so I can fit it but I’m to much of a nuisance to listen to them
inferno0879: peer pressure, avoiding thinking about shit or dealing with problems, initial curiosity for me
hikukomoru: Don't think I ever took benzos
spicy.lemonade: Def sota
spicy.lemonade: Kling tmr
spicy.lemonade:
futurist_wizard: Its not like its coke or something where it tastes nice
futurist_wizard: I don't even know how people get into it
inferno0879: since then


trojan09205:
.histic: a life's worth
trojan09205: im curious how much i just paid for those answers
a1c4p0ne: O4 mini didn’t get a high score on simplebench tho
trojan09205: i wasnt even sure that the request would go through with the name 'o4-mini' as the model name haha
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
trojan09205: that was the first question ive ever asked o4 mini lol. just modified my config file. definitely o4 mini 🙂
a1c4p0ne: Which answer do you like more and agree with
st.sioux: o4 mini's answer is so much better holy
trojan09205: im actually surprised i have access to o4 mini as a tier 1 api user
trey6033: Competition is good
trojan09205: easiest way to get shit as a rest endpoint with [fill in model] and can run on a peanut server
.histic: OpenAI is giving ChatGPT Plus to students in the US for 2-months, while Google is now doing the same but for 1 year.
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k1imn7/google_is_gifting_a_year_of_gemini_advanced_to/?sort=new
trojan09205: i actually have built a few RAG apps at work with aichat its pretty dope
a1c4p0ne: I want to see o3 play Pokemon
st.sioux: hackerman
trojan09205: when u serve it locally
trojan09205: its packaged with this aichat software
spicy.lemonade: L ui
trojan09205: local LMArena 😄
trojan09205:
spicy.lemonade: this is nice
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: new lmarena
spicy.lemonade: https://beta.lmarena.ai/
trojan09205: Grok is ass
spicy.lemonade: ?
trey6033: Grok 3 Reasoning Beta and Grok 3 mini Reasoning’s scores for AIME 2025 at “@1” — meaning the first score the models got on the benchmark — fall below o3-mini-high’s score. Grok 3 Reasoning Beta also trails ever so slightly behind OpenAI’s o1 model set to “medium” computing.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/22/did-xai-lie-about-grok-3s-benchmarks/
spicy.lemonade: o3 mini high gets 32% with tools
professorheaven: How though? o1 gets 9% while o4 mini high gets 18%, that’s a 2x jump
spicy.lemonade: also a breakthrough that can increase performance by 40 points is proof verification
spicy.lemonade: if its multiplicative jump
spicy.lemonade: o4 might kill it
trey6033: Your price values aren't the price value of how they benched it anyway
professorheaven: It’s funny because the FrontierMath developers themselves (EpochAI) predicted a median score of 75% by the end of the year. Their lower bound was 50%
trey6033: They use cons@64 with extended thinking.  Versus a single pass through for 2.5 flash
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/praying-angel-emoji-emoticon-smiley-gif-15640677
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609
spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
spicy.lemonade:


alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, I think that goverment surveillance is an easy step we can take immediately to reduce crime significantly

Learning from China and Singapore
futurist_wizard: The realistic outcome is just gene editing violent behaviour out of us
hikukomoru: Without any data you might as well be saying nothing
trojan09205: they arent all these nonviolent creatures
trojan09205: idk about the data but its a method of expression that women do as well
alejandrozarzuelo: As you can see, the only issue is that we lack the will to give good therapy to everyone, with their particular needs of course

Drugging people until they are well adjusted  is also an option, but I don't like it because the goverment has less control over it
futurist_wizard: Do women blackmail more than men? Is there data on this
maintcrew: https://x.com/signulll/status/1915510860316840075
trojan09205: Both men and women can refine themselves and be great
trojan09205: lot of sadistic women out there.
trojan09205: yeah not 1:1 in expression. but the same thing underneath
trojan09205: im not talking about catty gossip. im talking about lets say leveraging lies and the legal system to blackmail and destroy someone's life let's say. weaponized vindictiveness

or you can look at the crimes using scopolamine or just other manipulative essentially violent destructive tendencies
futurist_wizard: God damn
futurist_wizard: Wow, that second paragraph took a turn
futurist_wizard: I'll take a bunch of women giving me catty gossip than some caveman stabbing me to death because he had a bad day
hikukomoru: I'm sorry, but it's really not the same thing as being responsible for 99% of violent murders
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, but this doesn't explain why different groups of men have wildly different behaviours

Also, this is nothing that the goverment can't fix, we just need to lobotomise  everyone with behavioural problems, and if that means that men get disproportionately neutered then that's OK, we are fixing nature
himekokatagiri: Soul isn't real
futurist_wizard: Bruh
trojan09205: worse to lose your soul and other nonphysical things sometimes
himekokatagiri: I saw it on reddit
trojan09205: it really depends on the situation. basically its the same violent urge to hurt and destroy
hikukomoru: Why are you watching autistic incels man
futurist_wizard: I'd rather take that then being stabbed to death
futurist_wizard: Obviously culture is related, but the genetic predisposition for aggressive, anti social behaviours is well documented
trojan09205: okay so just go wiki jeffrey dahmer but brace ur stomach
trojan09205: idk how you guys will ignore the sheer manipulation and vindictiveness of women. violence takes on many forms
himekokatagiri: ⚡
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't like to watch films
himekokatagiri: I thought about it long and hard...
himekokatagiri: I watched it and I was thinking about it
trojan09205: watch the movie
hikukomoru: Wtf is this video
hikukomoru: Jeffrey Dahmer
alejandrozarzuelo: Idk who that is
futurist_wizard: It's deeper than just raw testosterone
himekokatagiri: you know.....
himekokatagiri: Dahmer was gay.....
alejandrozarzuelo: This means that there is a need to control medical conditions on men due to this biological reality

You know, by neutralising those effects in the brain of the men that are more prone to behavioural issues due to their biology

BTW, trans men commit significantly fewer crime rates than cis men despite having similar testosterone levels

Gay men also commit disproportionately less crime with similar testosterone levels
hikukomoru: And I think you're deliberately ignoring the biological aspect of it
Culture won't solve genes


hikukomoru: Might be heart disease
himekokatagiri: Himeko things
himekokatagiri: My heart skipped a beat for some reason
fractalcomputer: That would fit the Iberian profile, I suspect.
hikukomoru: exactly my type
anathemaofmankind: Femcels are just women who are incels.

Imagine how ugly you have to be, for guys to not be interested in you
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/rat-roedor-limpio-gif-14132762
hikukomoru: Women that look like drowned sewer rats
hikukomoru: What are you looking at me like that for huh
anathemaofmankind: Do you know what a femcel is
hikukomoru: Yeah I can already tell you think real life women are yucky gross and probably say stuff like "2D > 3D"
anathemaofmankind: So there's no specific discord server
drewsni: reference to this
drewsni: https://huggingface.co/datasets/nyuuzyou/archiveofourown/discussions?status=open&sort=recently-created
anathemaofmankind: No shit that's why I asked
anathemaofmankind: Is this a reference to something
drewsni: WOULDNT U LIKE TO KNOW?
ldj: Wdym by deepmind in this context
anathemaofmankind: Which discord server was this
drewsni: can someone save those discussion posts from the ao3 people so i can make a "saltbot69"
anathemaofmankind: > Real femcels are disgusting anyway
>Proceeds to post fictional girls as a counterargument
darkstar0818: There are a few things you can do.  The easiest for large projects is being sure you upload different classes as different files (its aware of file structure). Just be prescriptive on what you want for output 'fix x, y and z, only output the code of the classes (or functions) you modified.  Or if you want to just see the specific fixes, say 'for each fix in a function, show me all of the lines between all lines fixed'.  The model is smart enough to do whatever you want.
himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hikukomoru: Toxic yuri bot 🤤
drewsni: saw this in another discord "you have to understand when i write kylo x ron fic it's transformative work but when someone else uses my kylo x ron fic to feed yaoibot69 it is theft"
sarik0497: <@312370916820779040> I'm curious about your perspective when it comes to current AI architecture. Do you think it's really enough for AGI, or do you think something like what Deepmind and Lecun are doing right now with their respective models are the way forward?
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/kitty-gif-27687064
ldj: The real news is still good
zonchao: <:Prayge:818931515291205643>
trojan09205: Close to zero. Maybe try 0.25
ldj: Even employees often don’t know what’s really going on if it hasn’t been made official yet
zonchao: nous employee tho
himekokatagiri: even 'deleted' fics?
himekokatagiri: doesn't AO3 rent their entire catalogue out
.0xunkn0wn: what temperature
hikukomoru: and fanfics
hikukomoru: Yes AO3 is just smut
trent_k: lmfao
trent_k:
hikukomoru: Omg I love AO3
not the community though


futurist_wizard: Everyone who follows Singularity related topics is weird
sieventer: You don't have pfp or status :·(
_3sphere: maybe there is a better way, but it'd probably end up being squishy like flesh
_3sphere: Yes that's how flesh does it
wellmeaningalien: is it actually gonnaa be gemini 2.5 pro image gen or is it routing gemini 2.0 flash or something?
_3sphere: Imagine being a sheet metal robot that needs repairs all the damn time
_3sphere: it can self-repair using just a few simple molecules that are found in random organic matter
_3sphere: Flesh is actually underrated
darkstar0818: there are baseline levels
darkstar0818: its not just death
zoermena: The weakness of the flesh in general
abundantliving_: https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/14106/why-is-dimethyltryptamine-dmt-released-during-death
darkstar0818: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11576444/
saph.ai: https://tenor.com/view/tuh-buh-guh-cuh-what-gif-9750912507529527670
sieventer: Our brains are a piece of fucking shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
abundantliving_: thats just once in a lifetime
darkstar0818: and DMT.
_3sphere: Your brain already generates heroin
darkstar0818: The one constant in the universe is.... popularity ruins everything.
abundantliving_: if we could control this <:suseye:1187461162024046703>  and install a brewry inside our body
abundantliving_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-brewery_syndrome
_3sphere: God what am I even doing in this place what has my life become
hikukomoru: It's got what plants crave!
_3sphere: Degenerates easily outnumber nerds :3
fractalcomputer: It is a bit worrisome that r/singularity is larger than r/machinelearning and r/OpenAI.
spacetimetsunami: Brondo
_cloudost:
darkstar0818: plants crave gatorade
_3sphere: FDVR gooners are functionally plants
st.sioux: plants love them
st.sioux: buy electrolytes
darkstar0818: just drink more water, easy.
_3sphere: doesn't remove stuff, is just... water and electrolytes? 😭
_3sphere: oh so it's nonsense
_3sphere: https://www.healthline.com/health/iv-for-hangover#how-it-works
abundantliving_: tell me more
_3sphere: the ketones or something that are left after idk
fractalcomputer: Sheer willpower can go a long way.
darkstar0818: ... how does an iv remove alcohol 😛
_3sphere: removes the remnants of the alcohol from the blood or smt


hikukomoru: No
futurist_wizard: You got dumped?
hey1_1hey: Im 18, thats like 2 decades older than ,e
hey1_1hey: Old asf
hikukomoru: I'm 20
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't even have a relationship now
hey1_1hey: Misinfomation spreads fast huh
hey1_1hey: Oh alright then
hikukomoru: Fuck it you're all cucks
alejandrozarzuelo: No?
hey1_1hey: Alejandro are you a cuck
hikukomoru: I'm getting confused
hey1_1hey: Why tho?
hikukomoru: Wait Alejandro is a cuck
hey1_1hey: Alejnadro is prob the manliest man I know (Thats a lie)
alejandrozarzuelo: Sweaters?
technocake.: the second women can reproduce without sperm there will be a gender war for supremacy
hikukomoru: Yeah you probably only hang out with other old straight white dudes
hey1_1hey: If frac was here we'd be wiped from the face of the earth. Not for fetish posting but because we had a snippet of applied physics in the mix
futurist_wizard: Alejandro
mihrcelium: All it's missing are those sweaters of yours.
futurist_wizard: You can be 6ft+ and a twink, but even then some muscle is still twink archetype
zoermena: Thus the dissonance
zoermena: I think that we have different target markets with different tastes
hikukomoru: Who's a cuck? Whats happening
maintcrew: nate u and me bro we the only straight normal ppl here
alejandrozarzuelo: Wtf if this conversation
hikukomoru: Wait wdym cucks
Whats going on
hey1_1hey: Get this guy outta here
hikukomoru: Normalize femboys 🔥
technocake.: nope, but from half the women i talk to this is true
hey1_1hey: thank you 😍
oooooooooog: that would make femboy sex normal thought wouldnt it???
hey1_1hey: I will fuck my self
hey1_1hey: So yeah
hey1_1hey: All my friends are gay so yeah
mihrcelium: Don't let <@430269783112548362> see this comment. <:02S_SideEye:1275173727780474880>
maintcrew: go fuck yourself pal
hey1_1hey: AI is a bubble
hikukomoru: He lives in a queer bubble


wellmeaningalien: btw mushroom man how long have u been taking them i heard some people get like really horrible anxiety a few months in
maintcrew: i literally take random tolerance breaks for 1-2 weeks for both compounds just to prove to myself i got that dawg in me and nothing can make me addicted
a1c4p0ne:
zoermena: I've been suggested to try ashwaganda.
hey1_1hey: 2000mg a day and I am golden
futurist_wizard: Past 18 thats very difficult
hey1_1hey: They are really cheap
wellmeaningalien: next time im touching payroll im buying those fucking mushrooms
maintcrew: its a give and take situation u obviously wont get lifelong friends after knowing them for 1 year
hey1_1hey: Because I am not a nicotine addict (a loser)
wellmeaningalien: BRO GIVE ME THEM FUCKING MUSHROOMS
oooooooooog: e=mc^2 + ai
zoermena: Oh no it isn't, I recently joined and left a Looksmaxxing server (I'm on a mission to improve how I look so I joined) this place is sane relative to that.
.wolfnacht: i'm talkin abt some other server
hey1_1hey: Its helped me a lot
st.sioux: i am not a neet i am a force of god
futurist_wizard: You go to some schizo as server for people waiting for AGJESUS to come save em and you expect them not to be cringe?
hey1_1hey: The trouble I have is my brain thinks I should roll play a guy with a traumatic head injury and have no memory what so ever. I will have to do 50 practice problems down to do one skill because I straight up cant remember the steps on how to do it.

I will also be asked to get something in the other room becasue I was already going there and then only do one of the things because from the time I have been told to the time I have got there I have already forgotton one of the things
wellmeaningalien: lmao
wellmeaningalien: and yet EKG says everything is correct with my heart
maintcrew: 🔥 🔥 🔥
.wolfnacht: >problem with you

everyone says this but idc.
wellmeaningalien: sometimes a monster + red bull
wellmeaningalien: bro i used to drink like one monster everyday
maintcrew: i am employed
hikukomoru: Aren't you a neet
wellmeaningalien: this server is the most schizo NEET server ever
zoermena: They call us cringe, I call us epic.
a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>
a1c4p0ne: It’s Geminis idea
wellmeaningalien: im never going back on ritalin but im going to try to get like medikinet or whatever they have in france
maintcrew: i mean why not try the good old redbull+zyn stack it works for me
hikukomoru: Wtf why does he have a gun
futurist_wizard: Like quite a bit
.wolfnacht: why ppl in these NEET servers are so cringe ?
wellmeaningalien: still need to try this lion's mane thing you say it makes you like god or something
futurist_wizard: I do get brain dog though on elvanse
a1c4p0ne:
hey1_1hey: God I wish I had meds. I would be an unstopable machine
zoermena: I'm now on a mission to get back to my peak


.histic:
trojan09205: Lol we can compete with the AI agents who in turn use AI agents
st.sioux: people should start using ai to make money so they realize its useful
trojan09205: Lmao was just messing around with stability video APi
st.sioux: wtf is this lmao
trojan09205: https://youtu.be/qX-ZOJA4kXE?si=Ikxegq9lHTl_qHen
st.sioux: i think its good that they're not using ai... it opens up more opportunities for us
trojan09205: I made these with AI like a year ago

https://youtu.be/wxAp7m_BdVM?si=DoSWUE41X3wX8wq_
trojan09205: I mean so yeah he could have just put together diff stuff and made that. A lot of developers play with AI

I think the problem is your trust in your friend lmao
popsiclejohnithan:
technocake.: he might be an enthusiast
st.sioux: experience in IT does not necessarily translate to ai knowledge
popsiclejohnithan:
dr.banemortem: I'm a curious and intrested normie he doesnt have a degree but he works as the IT guy where I work
trojan09205: Most normies have no idea what AI actually means/does beyond chatbots and random apps
technocake.: I think that's what he did, AI can def produce those images
dr.banemortem: He is definitely full of shit but every once in a while he is telling the truth
trojan09205: I mean you can ask an image AI generator to change the same base image with small changes
technocake.: and this makes it likely he's full of shit or doesn't know what he's talking about
dr.banemortem: Exactly,he might used the ai for the script and then did the power point himself
technocake.: That honestly makes it less likely to be AI
dr.banemortem: Lol no late 20s
technocake.: Honest question, are you a minor? I ask this because knowing will help me give better answers
dr.banemortem: Lol,<:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946>
trojan09205: Gotta pick better friends m8
dr.banemortem: Well he is more optimistic than the Shapiro guy
trojan09205: Its the least AI video type thing ive ever seen tbh
st.sioux: this is almost a cult
dr.banemortem: He is soooooo ai hyped
dr.banemortem: Because I dont trust him he is a pathological liar lol
st.sioux: why dont you just ask your friend
trojan09205: I mean its a very short “video” just the same slide on repeat with a small shift
dr.banemortem: But not a video generator like imogen ?
dr.banemortem: I see so maybe an agent with an api
dr.banemortem: Like the small number in the middle of the screen
dr.banemortem: I see many small mistakes
technocake.: It's definitely possible to produce a system that can do this, I don't know of one though
dr.banemortem: That power point presentation ? Right ?
dr.banemortem: Can current AIs do full videos like this minus the music ? https://youtube.com/shorts/9-euQ5ENH88?si=IW-z-a3Vp3MSsUqg.
My friend is telling he made this whole video using only ai and only added the music I kinda dont believe him
technocake.: I do think that modern physics has higher utility towards utilitarian ends that are common instrumental goals of those seeking meaning, and I think I can prove it in a loose sense


wellmeaningalien: fxtwitter?
hey1_1hey: scary
hey1_1hey: Ik
hey1_1hey: Women
wellmeaningalien: its just as u can see
wellmeaningalien: anytime man
hikukomoru: Wtf is this
hey1_1hey: I was joking but thank you anyway <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: duolingo idfk
_3sphere: Coronation of our new goon king
hey1_1hey: Where can I start learning spanish
ailoveyoom: No I already have plenty 😎
wellmeaningalien: im pinging komoru now <@430269783112548362> youve been replaced as the server gooner
wellmeaningalien: <@505313122802728972> this is for u
wellmeaningalien: the prompt was in japanese btw
st.sioux: looking for material?
ailoveyoom: <@505313122802728972> In all your gooning do you have any iconic lines that you remember?
wellmeaningalien: y do people make so many of these glass animals?
.wolfnacht: nope it's still quite schizo but maybe with the right preset and temps it can work, i never really used V3...since it was the worst when the older one came out.
hikukomoru: Is the new DeepSeek the one u use the most?
.wolfnacht: i go back to 12-19 from openrouter, once i hit the limit
hey1_1hey: My research has been complete and I can confirm deep seek is in fact freaky asf
hikukomoru: My wife
.histic:
.wolfnacht: ofc, it's literally best rn....but i hate the limits.
ailoveyoom: The Jan 2025 cutoff date for 2.5 is so goated especially if you do existing characters
hikukomoru: Nah, prompts are better if you want a high-class gooning experience
hikukomoru: Have u tried 2.5
.wolfnacht: suddenly it ain't repetetive like before
wellmeaningalien: really cool for that china
.wolfnacht: new V3's good. i'm waiting for presets and temps
wellmeaningalien: deepseek is pretty uncensored except if u ask it about taiwan
_3sphere: can't you send your advanced fantasies straight into the API
wellmeaningalien:
ailoveyoom: Don't need no fancy prompts
wellmeaningalien: man i just never get tired of posting these 4o images theyre just so impressive
ailoveyoom: Nah bro Deepseek is freaky
hey1_1hey: No need, I'll just vibe code deepseek with cursor rq
hikukomoru: You have to use a frontend lil bro
wellmeaningalien: wake up bae more studio ghibli style slop


destrucules: Honestly possibly... 8-40 years, actually
destrucules: For ASI? Now. For ASIs that think of humans as bacteria? Well, I would say... A bacterium has, on the order of, 10 million base pairs in its genome, and maybe 10k genes total. If the GRN is essentially the brain of the bacterium, there's like... O(10k) total parameters at most. And a bacterium lives for like, a day. Maybe a few days. So about 10^5 seconds. I'll be generous and say there are 10^4 gene "activations" per second, so 10^9 total activations in the bacterium's lifespan. We're on the order of like... 10^23±1, so 13-15 OOMs above bacteria. We're currently scaling at about 1 OOM per year. So, naively, exponentially, 13-15 years. Then again, we're actually going to get a rapid uptick soon, and then hit logistical limits. So... Idk, I'd say 10-40 years.
precariousworlds.: Ok
destrucules: First read the paper I just sent. Then I'll add more
precariousworlds.: What are your personal timelines
precariousworlds.: Is there any more conclusive evidence of this trend
destrucules: We're many many OOMs away from that. I think we do need to solve that problem, but we have plenty of time
destrucules: Moral reasoning and self confidence both scale with intelligence. So ASIs will have more of this. More wisdom. More self assertiveness.
precariousworlds.: We could be thought of to a super intelligence as bacteria
One flaw in alignment is enough to sideline our entire existence
destrucules: It's not doom, but it's better. Much better. Not perfect but much better
destrucules: Absolutely
destrucules: https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.08640
precariousworlds.: But surely the argument here is that those flaws and imperfections take on a mass scale when it comes to superintelligence
destrucules: I want to make that clear. They're flawed like we are flawed
destrucules: Like... Objective in the sense math is objective, but not objective in the sense of like... The AIs are perfect
destrucules: There is convergent morality
precariousworlds.: One that is favourable to our survival and flourishing
destrucules: No
precariousworlds.: Really? That seems pretty crazy, and we're certain of that?
So basically there is such a thing as objective morality
destrucules: ABD happened, ABD deniers on LW can suck it
destrucules: That is empirically true
destrucules: Yes
precariousworlds.: Forgive me if I'm being stupid as I'm not that knowledgeable on how AI is currently being trained, but are you saying that current models are independently establishing pro-human value systems instead of being trained to do so?
destrucules: Because current LLM value systems don't come from moral training (RLHF) - they come from pretraining, and are resistant to RLHF
precariousworlds.: But how do we know current training on morality will hold for superintelligent models that won't obtain their own moral systems and goals that are not positive to us?
destrucules: I do. The problem with Yudkowsky's model is the Orthogonality thesis, which is actually moral relativism in disguise. It is an anthropocentric view of morality as an arbitrary human cultural norm with no inherent grounding, so ASIs would select among a set of possible value functions that is unforeseeable to us, and thus effectively random to us, and most such random values don't include sentient beings flourishing throughout the cosmos. The problem is, models today actually *do* want that. And Yudkowsky hasn't updated hard enough on this evidence. Moral relativism is being empirically disproven as models are demonstrated to have coherent and prosocial value systems
destrucules: We should try to build intuitive bridges across these domains, absolutely. Scaling is scaling, whether at training time or test time. You can, if you want, think of reasoning models as windows into what further pretraining scaling would yield. Anyway... Based on these scaling trends, a GPT-5.5 level model would score around 91-92 on GPQA Diamond, if the ceiling is around 100, or less if the ceiling is lower (if the ceiling is 90, then 5.5 would achieve an 88)
Upper 80s on LiveCodeBench
~100 on MATH-500
99 on AIME 2024
wellmeaningalien: top 1 retard behavior: comparing non reasoning model with resoning
precariousworlds.: Does anyone have any good rebuttals to Eliezer Yudkowsky
He seems to be treated as a laughing stock but I haven't seen any good counterargument to his doomerism, and how serious he is that ASI is automatic death for Humanity
When we are talking about the fate of all life itself I think a really really convincing set of arguments is needed from the acceleration crowds
destrucules: Besides underperforming in MMLU-Pro (theoretical is low 90s or at least upper 80s, even with saturation effects, for a pure pretraining based approach) Gemini 2.5 Pro is effectively a GPT-5 level model (100x effective compute over GPT-4). This assumes: Llama 2 7B is about on par with GPT-3; Gemini 1.0 Pro is about on par with GPT-3.5; Qwen2-72B Instruct is about on par with GPT-4; and V3.1 is about 10x effective compute over GPT-4. Maybe slightly over that.
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: we need goku to deal with this
wellmeaningalien: llm powers scaling has gone too far
hikukomoru: Re Zero is fucking peak
hikukomoru: Bitch why
theaiguy69420_89814: Is this the end of the USA?
theaiguy69420_89814: Brother the market is down 4% futures
destrucules: They do half of the calculations. They notice that 30 trillion tokens is bigger than 1-2 billion seconds. They also notice, separately, that the models are much smaller than the brain. They fail to recognize that these are connected facts.
destrucules: Note, Gemma 3 4B is trained on 4T tokens, 6 x 4e9 x 4e12 = 9.6e22 activations, and matches median human intelligence across many benchmarks, especially core general intelligence benchmarks
spacetimetsunami: I hear people who seem knowledgeable so often site the difference in computational efficiency between neural nets, LLMs and the brain. What are they referring to if not this?


spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: its based on metr
spicy.lemonade: the name of the benchmark
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
spicy.lemonade: metr
spicy.lemonade: ohhh
alejandrozarzuelo: what <@312370916820779040> has already shared a few times
alejandrozarzuelo: This means that AGI will happen either in 2032-34 if current trends continue exponentilly or 2028 if the hyperbolic spike turns out to be fundamental and not a fluke
spicy.lemonade: link?
spicy.lemonade: whats t-agi?
spicy.lemonade: o4 medium might get 45+ with tools
spicy.lemonade: like 12%
alejandrozarzuelo: personally i have never seen a more compelling argument and stronger evidence for a concrete path to AGI than the t-AGI argument

after the t-AGI has started to produce meaningful datapoints (before it was like one ms and stuff), it is clear that this is the best way to measure progress and i suspect this is what sam altman meant when he said that we have a clear view of the path to AGI
spicy.lemonade: without tool use
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: o3 mini high with tool use gets 32% frontier math
spicy.lemonade: not a crazy change
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: i just added 6 months
spicy.lemonade: yes they say super coding agets mid-late 2027. and agi released late 2027
alejandrozarzuelo: just that paper?
alejandrozarzuelo: yes but what caused you to be so mistakenly optimistic
spicy.lemonade: i just reread the ai 2027 paper
spicy.lemonade: just 1 year
spicy.lemonade: before it was 2027
alejandrozarzuelo: why were you so optimistic that has forced you to lenghthen your timeline
spicy.lemonade: 2028 +/- 1 year
spicy.lemonade: eh wtv
spicy.lemonade: wait nvm late 2027
spicy.lemonade: agi 2028
spicy.lemonade: im lengthening my timeline
spicy.lemonade: deepseek doesnt even have this much
wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/bullish-crypto-hype-i-want-more-lets-do-this-gif-1852269844701917269
bob082957:
return_to_monke1_33974: petition for Elon Ma to give all the compute to Google :
spicy.lemonade: xai needs to work on computatyional efficiency not scale
spicy.lemonade: elon is going the wrong way
spicy.lemonade:
wolf3404: New model architecture
wolf3404: Anyone tried this yet?


hikukomoru:
ldj: it's technologically unique from the standpoint that you would need probably atleast dozens of terabytes of google earth data on your computer in order to achieve the same thing locally, where-as this is able to achieve it with a set of weights that would may be less than 300GB on your PC
nsec: <:allsalute:797931437973569556>
nsec: that long text writer mam
hikukomoru: He's not a random guy
hikukomoru: He also works with DeepMind
nsec: here he come
nsec: oshit
gamerbath: if he did have access to any info, he would be under an NDA, meaning he wouldn't be allowed to post like that
hikukomoru: He doesn't work FOR them but he works WITH them
gamerbath: I think o4 will be in GPT-5
aero447: He's an early tester we know he gets access.
gamerbath: he doesn't even work at OAI. it's just speculation
aero447: You have something against o4?
aero447: Derya confirms o4 full.
gamerbath: no
aero447:
nsec: <:welldone:429630480594501633>
nsec: my name is nsec

and if you’ll indulge me, I’d like to change the world
nsec: allow me to introduce myself
nsec: for those of u who do not yet know me
nsec: u know that I will settle for nothing short of greatness, or I will die trying
nsec: for those of u who know me, u will be aware by now that my ambition is unlimited
hikukomoru:
nsec: she knows me well
nsec: <:welldone:429630480594501633>
nsec: good question ask your mother
literallyvarane: Im sleep on it. Doesn’t strike me as something wildly impressive. It’s just an inferior Google maps for that particular use case. Impressive AI demos should demonstrate something that’s uniquely enabled by AI, either in time performance, quality of output, price or some mixture of the three.
hikukomoru:
nsec:
nsec: jesse what the FUCK are u talking about
hikukomoru: I look like this
retrerox: I mean many test that allowed our species to grown has been done on rats...}
nsec: we aint ever gettin agi
nsec: its over
nsec: mfs are discussin rats
retrerox:
nsec: we got agi yet
nsec: SINGULARITY PEEPS
nsec: ELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


zonchao: why do all the pro art poasters on twitter beg for money when their posts go viral 😭
fractalcomputer: Certainly.
fractalcomputer: I find the society of the Culture thoroughly repulsive and diseased. But Banks manages to paint it as a haven from an even worse, horrific universe where the sins of man are reflected across the alien star scape.
precariousworlds.: The best people are the ones you listen closely to when they have a different opinion to you
hey1_1hey: Its not his you need to worry about
precariousworlds.: only top 500 seems reasonable
hey1_1hey: He made me think he was thinking about it in his free time.
Top 500 smurf sex ponderer in Europe
fractalcomputer: I like Banks for the sole reason I like any author, be he philosopher or simply a fiction writer, in general; he manages to make me like things that I fundamentally disagree with.
precariousworlds.: I shudder to think about his search history
precariousworlds.: bro was locked in
hey1_1hey: Alejandro would take great offense to that. He got really into the smurf sex discussiom
precariousworlds.: need to read culture series
precariousworlds.: fractal coming in clutch with an actually interesting discussion 🫡
hey1_1hey: Suppringly enough
hey1_1hey: I dont
hey1_1hey: NO
hikukomoru: Wdym? You don’t usually ponder Smurf reproduction?
hey1_1hey: Please don't say you're a smurf sex enjoyer aswell...
sarik0497: Yeah…Maybe death isn’t so bad after all…
fractalcomputer: To lighten the mood, I think there are some interesting parallels between Herbert's Dune and Banks' The Culture series. The former is about humans - extremely alien humans, sure - but it still a story ultimately about humans and humanity. Banks' is a saga of machine and human analogues trying to find meaning in a perfect society in an imperfect cosmos. The former is a story of the ways one can be inhuman whereas the latter is a story of all the myriad ways one can be human.
hey1_1hey: He was trying to gas light me into thinking thats its a normal thing to think about
hikukomoru: And worse of all talking about it without me
hey1_1hey: I blame Alejandro for talking about the reproduction heirarchy of smurfs
hikukomoru: Why are people talking about Smurf sex
precariousworlds.: i scrolled up for 30 seconds and was resisting the urge to kill myself 😭
sarik0497: I just came on, and I’m already thinking “What the hell.”
sweetievee__33649: i think i might have to start believing in miracles
precariousworlds.: the last 50 messages in this channel are genuinely painful to read
Jesus wept
zoermena: Worst mistake of my life
zoermena: When I was a kid I remember looking up an ad for this soda called squirt
zonchao: https://x.com/squirtle_says/status/1906550471415996541?
zoermena: In the movie the female Smurf was artificially made I think
czdct: maybe he would like us to generate images like this instead
alejandrozarzuelo: thats how life works
alejandrozarzuelo: idk why people are icky with biology
alejandrozarzuelo: it is
alejandrozarzuelo: if colony reproductive behavior is your kink... ok go for it but personally i am more of a social-individualist species enjoyer
gamerbath: https://x.com/t_blom/status/1906438171371655275
czdct: this is a serious biological discussion
alejandrozarzuelo: goon?


spicy.lemonade: 2
czdct: it took them 2 years to go from gpt3.5 to gpt o3
ailoveyoom: Feels like 20 years
spicy.lemonade: and the hype started with gpt 4
spicy.lemonade: its only been 2 years
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: 2 years ago
spicy.lemonade: keep in mind gpt3.5 released
spacetimetsunami: It would be like finding a literal valley full of diamonds, and some annoying idiot going
 “hey!! Yall are stoopid n shit there’s way more diamonds 20 miles west!”
*looks at her like one looks at a crackhead*
“Uhm…No… I’m gonna stay here. Thanks?”
spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 will probaly have native image and the ability to reason over that which would lead to some very cool capabilities on its own
ailoveyoom: And hopefully break me too
ailoveyoom: That will make or break timelines 🥵
ailoveyoom: Just wait till GPT-5 🙏
shirethedreamer: universal predictors do be doing that
spicy.lemonade: llms are the only clear path
spicy.lemonade: you have to provide proof. yans jepa hasnt taken us anywhere yet
spacetimetsunami: Jesus
spacetimetsunami: I have to stop doing this
spacetimetsunami: Ah fuck, same
spicy.lemonade: to deny llms
spacetimetsunami: I am honered
st.sioux: its so late and i cant figure out if i should sleep or just stay awake
spacetimetsunami: Jesus Christ
czdct: what in the erotic fiction is this?
spicy.lemonade: burden on proof is on yan types
shirethedreamer: not only a troll but someone that created a new discord user just to troll here
you guys should be honored
spicy.lemonade: doesnt
spicy.lemonade: yan currently
spicy.lemonade: to support his claim
spicy.lemonade: ilya has alot
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Literally me (the last part)
czdct: oh no...
ailoveyoom: You play Inzoi 😍
spacetimetsunami: *joins server*
“I’m gonna be very cringe”
*does that*
“I’m cumming”
spicy.lemonade: "🍀 "
spacetimetsunami: <@1352573784422350930> is most certainly a troll. She simply can’t be real.
czdct: this is like fishing in an aquarium
czdct: me neither
st.sioux: this is so dumb


spicy.lemonade: gemini2.5
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: epochAI are openAi shills
spicy.lemonade: bro
spicy.lemonade: no
brain4brain: Any comparison with other model?
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: optimus alpha
manmarshall_92172: Did you guys get Veo 2 on your google AI studio?
okbut: Also learned ChatGPT simply concatenates these sections with the "Anything else ChatGPT should know about you?" field

That explains why it never actually calls me nerd <:madge:831946367462670338>
brain4brain: It’s available on Gemini website and app
brain4brain: Gemini
spicy.lemonade: cant fucking wait
spicy.lemonade:
okbut: Today I learned you can see the prompt that GPT generates and forwards to image gen within your exported data .json
manmarshall_92172: Is Google Deep research accessible on Google AI studio?
brain4brain: He better do
brain4brain: Never doubt OpenAI.
brain4brain: All the examples that he have given is already partially beaten
okbut: Most people go with the more coherent "Can do almost all the jobs in the workforce" though
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Yep, proto-AGI this week, and ASI eoy
okbut: End of year 100%
okbut: <a:pepeFlatline:756182021151391894>
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: AGI capable of RSI, bootstrapping itself to ASI and the Singularity
okbut: Describe your dream AGI
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/abacaj/status/1911529618089427122?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/john-dancing-bang-gif-19680277
a1c4p0ne: Demis said 2030
zonchao: cope<:reedly:1122484993097216052>
a1c4p0ne: What about Demi’s prediction
spicy.lemonade: dr al,an vindicated
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: AGI 2025 no longer a schizo prediction
spicy.lemonade: "we managed to make gpt5 better than we expected"
spicy.lemonade: they did say
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I thought that would've happened Q4. I wonder if R2 will beat it
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/fuckin-great-kill-youself-shot-myself-stewie-suicide-gif-12287606
okbut:
a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
a1c4p0ne: Like usual
a1c4p0ne: Pro users first right then plus


fractalcomputer: They're citing Yudkowsky as one of their sources on an intelligence feedback loop.
spicy.lemonade: They say agi full
futurist_wizard: The techno grinch
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Basically you interact with the system for 24 hours
theaiguy69420_89814: What's the variant?
spicy.lemonade: Kurzweil was right
theaiguy69420_89814: Relax
theaiguy69420_89814: Guys we're all just talking about AI here.. alright?
spicy.lemonade:
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't see why this is shooting myself in the foot

I find your attitude needlessly confrontational and extremely rude, as you not just disagree, you belittle and in certain cases even insult others for having opinions you disagree

You could just have said: I don't think that 2029 the field will advance to any significant degree towards AGI

But no, you HAD to say it that way, it makes every conversation you take part in unpleasant
.wolfnacht: nvm
.wolfnacht: can i get the full link to paper ?
fractalcomputer: Try not to shoot yourself in the foot.
alejandrozarzuelo: Certainly
fractalcomputer: Alejandro, the same could be said of many of your opinions that you have very vocally announced here.
memlaswaif: deepseek agi 2026 then
.wolfnacht: someone invite a reminder bot
alejandrozarzuelo: You are such a bother to be around

This is just a personal opinion, noone asked for this, I am just making a statement
.wolfnacht: kys
Carl-bot#1536: Time is either in an inappropriate location, which must be either at the end or beginning of your input, or I just flat out did not understand what you meant. Sorry.
.wolfnacht: !remind me 1826 days.
zonchao: if google can do it by 2030,openai agi 2028 confirmed
alejandrozarzuelo: Mathematics does in fact require linking proofs one after the other

We start with some axioms, and we work from there

That's what mathematics is all about, coherent statements backed by previous ones
spicy.lemonade: I believe them
spicy.lemonade: Deepmind is more trustworthy in terms of research than openAI
spicy.lemonade: https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/DeepMind.com/Blog/evaluating-potential-cybersecurity-threats-of-advanced-ai/An_Approach_to_Technical_AGI_Safety_Apr_2025.pdf
fractalcomputer: Watch as absolutely nothing happens.
spicy.lemonade: True agi by Demi’s definition 2030
spicy.lemonade: 2029
spicy.lemonade: Oh shit
fractalcomputer: Very evidently you think that mathematics is a case of stringing together maximally coherent statements.
alejandrozarzuelo: If you think this is what I was referring to, then you didn't understand my comment
spicy.lemonade: This is the first time a research lab has written in a paper the exact date
zonchao: https://x.com/midjourney/status/1907448337047208281? big
spicy.lemonade: Bruh
spicy.lemonade: 2030
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade:
alejandrozarzuelo: The brain can only store so much information

There could be proofs that require more information than the brain could allocate completely, which would mena mo human would ever understand it

It's less computational angle, and more information theory angle, although I suppose that is a branch of computation


.wolfnacht: morning, R2 dropping wen ?
nsec:
spicy.lemonade: keep that in mind
spicy.lemonade: thats also a big difference between the 2 models
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: o1 couldnt use tools
professorheaven: Well o3 gets around 9% without any tools, o1 was not using any tools on those questions so we should only compare o3 using no tools
st.sioux: whatever
st.sioux: not 4 subreddits actually just 2 but 4 times
st.sioux: if you go to this guy's profile he posted the same comment 4 times on different subreddits
_letterbox: https://www.reddit.com/r/DegenBets/comments/1k8kkf2/deepmind_ceo_believes_all_diseases_will_be_cured/mp874ue/

And people say we'll have immortality soon <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/microplastics-tom-and-jerry-yummy-gif-25682895
st.sioux: i am actually a 3 year old
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/lewissaunderson38-lewissaunderson-cry-crying-cry-meme-gif-11499408157122608476
ldj: Even worse than Gen z
ldj: This is like peak Gen alpha brain rot
ldj: That is brain damage
ldj: You are
st.sioux: dont even know why
st.sioux: i have watched spencer like 15 times
zoermena: Crazy? I was crazy once
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994
st.sioux: i thought i was crazy
st.sioux: me too
trojan09205: tbh with the way i watch films it usually takes me a couple days to finish one i just leave it open and watch a few minutes here and there
trojan09205: i recently really enjoyed 'The Master' with joaquin phoenix and SPH
trojan09205: i love when people are passionate about specific films haha
okbut: Oh there's also coding with water, in every death he's in water, tied to how he never learned to swim
trojan09205: Today i did like a few miles each way to go to lunch at family and i took a manual scooter. definitely had to be hyper aware of everything on my sidewalk paths
trojan09205: the older i get the more i truly value the small things and see their impact
trojan09205: unfortunately or fortunately thats how life works my bro. we hang on by threads and destiny changes constantly (imo)
okbut: I remember riding, even bottle caps can through you off a sharp turn
okbut: The motorcycle accident was filmed without the right direction though since he wasn't obviously hitting a sharp turn, but a big leaf really can throw a bike off its wheels
trojan09205: ive just been trying to flood my brain with new content as of late
trojan09205: seems like i should give it a rewatch at some point
okbut: Leaf causing the parents to meet, the motorcycle accident, the demand for a pool cleaner, the guiding of Anna to the circle, etc
okbut: Which is how almost all of them begin or end
okbut: Every scene with a leaf or butterfly is showing that timeline shift due to butterfly effect
trojan09205: I can't say i actually gave it that much thought but i really liked it. people like to shit on jared leto but i think he's a fantastic actor
okbut: Timeline shift, butterfly effect


hikukomoru: Alehandro what's a gay wolf
futurist_wizard: A geay wolf
hikukomoru: gay wolf?
anathemaofmankind: Gemini 2.5 pro will be SOTA for me in the following months until OAI drops GPT 5.

1 M context and good context retrieval. The best creative writing model
futurist_wizard: People have died over it
alejandrozarzuelo: we took a gray wolf and we modified the DNA to make it "look" similar to the fossils of dire wolf we know of

this means that the genetic composition of the neodire wolf is completely different to the original dire wolf, but they look very similar

you can have 2 different species that arent even remotely reproductivally compatible that look nearly identical
futurist_wizard: Tribes sometimes think photos steal their soul
wellmeaningalien: hmmmmm
futurist_wizard: they would think its Satanic black magic
futurist_wizard: Genetic specimen
hikukomoru: Bring back Neanderthals and show them TikTok 🙏
futurist_wizard:
wellmeaningalien: what is it's genetic make up
alejandrozarzuelo: but it is not a dire wold
wellmeaningalien: OK BUT EXPLAIN A LIL MORE
alejandrozarzuelo: a completely new species that looks alike the dire wolf
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441
hikukomoru: Google yesterday was for enterprises
Not us plebs
alejandrozarzuelo: it i a new species that had never before seen the light of day
futurist_wizard: Pls
futurist_wizard: Deextincted a dodo bird
anathemaofmankind: Imagine it brings up random shit in a new chat bruh
spicy.lemonade: Same with Google drops
spicy.lemonade: This week was such a dev week
wellmeaningalien: so what IS it
anathemaofmankind: I don't even want that
anathemaofmankind: OpenAI over
hikukomoru: Yawn
anathemaofmankind: Sounds boring af
hikukomoru: I wish 🙏
spicy.lemonade: Lame
spicy.lemonade: For last convos
alejandrozarzuelo: its a "neo"dire wolf
spicy.lemonade: It’s gonna be memory
spicy.lemonade: Wait
literallyvarane: Maybe it’s some really improved Her or personal assistant experience.
alejandrozarzuelo: the "dire wolf" that has been "deextincted" is not the same species as the original "dire wolf"
literallyvarane: Not a feature
wellmeaningalien: nah even sota not enough for these mfs
literallyvarane: This was a model no?


maintcrew: forgor about llama tf they be doing <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ailoveyoom: Worried for Llama 4 lol
maintcrew: claude 4, gpt 5, grok 4, r2
maintcrew: i think all big players
_3sphere: maybe continuous learning is the only path
spicy.lemonade: gpt 5?
spicy.lemonade: r2?
_3sphere: Long term memory is the hardest, it has to actually *use* its memory well
spicy.lemonade: frontier math is projected to surpass 50% this year wonder which model will do it
maintcrew: thats exactly what sakanas ai cuda auto generator did
_3sphere: Anything made by refining current LLMs still has workable "common sense"
_3sphere: That kind of misalignment is ASI stuff
_3sphere: doubt it will
maintcrew: (2) too much agency and it will start removing evals and call it a job done
maintcrew: like have it be upside down
maintcrew: and it takes it
maintcrew: sama ssaid should be fixed soon but in the meantime u can flip the image around
anathemaofmankind: It censors the output if I include a demon girl sitting on the mound.

I don't know why.

It's ruining my story
spicy.lemonade: biggest things needed for swe
1. long term memory and remember important stuff, and more context
2. agency on the level of which it can test code, see whats happening and determine erors and fix on its own
3. go online and read docs thoroughly and even maybe watch youtube vids for examples(some docs are bad)
alejandrozarzuelo: (energy is old school physics)
alejandrozarzuelo: Her videos on energy are generally good
alejandrozarzuelo: you can, but not all dogs are willing to be taught
maintcrew: idk ive tried to watch a few times but its always on some doomer shit
_3sphere: 4o in general
_3sphere: OpenAI is chilling out with the censorship nowadays
maintcrew: so u cant teach old dogs a new trick
_3sphere: Sabine when I use Claude 3.8 to make a 1000km particle accelerator in orbit
alejandrozarzuelo: like, she is the classic old conservative who is very skilled at their topic but who doesnt move on with the times well
alejandrozarzuelo: in old school stuff
alejandrozarzuelo: sabine is good
_3sphere: Remember when Sabine's "beef" was with superdeterminism and black hole info paradox instead of how particle physics is a fraud and how everything is hype
_3sphere: unless there's a massively underestimated roadblock with executive function
_3sphere: Software engineering being on the way out in the next decade or two was foreseeable with GPT-3 and obvious with reasoners
spicy.lemonade: but the cope on its capability is annoying
maintcrew:
maintcrew: no
spicy.lemonade: understandable
spicy.lemonade: sure
spicy.lemonade: you hate ai
spicy.lemonade: and rejecting info


himekokatagiri: idk honestly I wrote down a bunch of animes
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cha-hae-in-cha-hae-solo-leveling-my-beloved-gif-17520680766107878414
joaoluz19: Isekai most
himekokatagiri: I don't like Isekai
hikukomoru: Do you mostly watch Seinen
joaoluz19: CHA HAE
joaoluz19: Most anime involves tragedy, I wouldn't copy an anime
hikukomoru: Idk
Some random isekai
Grind skills
Level up
Become god
himekokatagiri: I guess Haruhi sounds fun
himekokatagiri: what anime
hikukomoru: I'll sell my house, my kidneys, whatever, for a taste of irl anime
joaoluz19:
joaoluz19: I'll sell my house if he does
joaoluz19: Aaaah I get it lol
joaoluz19: What
himekokatagiri: He'll be rich
himekokatagiri: Get him to collab with mihoyo
a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
hikukomoru: But then again he doesn't have a good track record
hikukomoru: I would cheer him on if only it was waifus instead of ai friends
drewsni: i remember when i mogged perplexity when i exposed their system prompt
oooooooooog: having an ornamental braid or fastening consisting of a spindle-shaped button and a loop.
st.sioux: what is frogged
oooooooooog: would you rather be mogged or frogged
a1c4p0ne: This is old but funny
st.sioux:
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne:
st.sioux: he thought the broccoli fade would fool us
st.sioux: cyborg
joaoluz19: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1kcc8mu/zuckerberg_says_meta_is_creating_ai_friends_the/ hahahahahaha
trojan09205:
aero447: 😂
aero447: The post-scarcity FakeTaxi vids will go hard.
zonchao: robotaxi
trojan09205: Veo2 is my Jam
trojan09205: How do you like it bro
zovark: Grok sucks
aero447: Many such cases.


spicy.lemonade: havent typoed a single line of code 😭
theaiguy69420_89814: but for old projects sometimes re-inserting into cursor screws things up
theaiguy69420_89814: i use it for every new projecct
theaiguy69420_89814: its insanely good
spicy.lemonade: didnt know cursor was this good
spicy.lemonade: with llm
spicy.lemonade: this wouldve taken me 2 days
theaiguy69420_89814: wdym
spicy.lemonade: gone
spicy.lemonade: 2 days of possible work
spicy.lemonade: wow
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: i did
theaiguy69420_89814: Windsurf is even better, but more expensive
theaiguy69420_89814: Do not tell me you only downloaded it now...
zoermena: I think everyone has access using Google ai studio
zoermena: Homo mentioned, when can I get my femboys
zoermena: So I’ve heard
spicy.lemonade: all my life
spicy.lemonade: bro whyere has cursor been
futurist_wizard: greater london yes
spicy.lemonade: cursor is the greatest piece of tech ever
alejandrozarzuelo: i looked it up and surrey is just a london suburb
alejandrozarzuelo: ah, so london
futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: you are from surrey?
spicy.lemonade: cursor is fucking insane
futurist_wizard: Sub consciously
futurist_wizard: I like having a surrey accent as it makes foreigners (especially americans) think i have more authority when i speak
alejandrozarzuelo: you know like that classic hollywood accent that was half way between american east cost and upper class british
alejandrozarzuelo: I think it will be a neo-mid-atlantic accent
futurist_wizard: American accent will eat the others in total globalism, its over
alejandrozarzuelo: btw, equality is also the reason why we stopped wearing hats and our fashion became homogeneous
futurist_wizard: But the dominant accent is boring 😔  American
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean, SUUURE some sociolects do remain, but modern society is extremely not-classist (as in we dont consider nobles and peasants different classes)
alejandrozarzuelo: this is the same reason why sociolects are basically extinct now
alejandrozarzuelo: of course dialect/accent death is much weaker and happens more often than language death
alejandrozarzuelo: accent homogeneization is a very well known phenomenon

accents and langauges for that matter can only exist due to isolation
futurist_wizard: I don't know if they are
futurist_wizard: They are dying?


okbut: https://patch.com/new-jersey/across-nj/nj-councilman-among-39-charged-probe-tied-lucchese-crime-family
39-member gambling ring busted
I can't take all this winning
ailoveyoom: Haven't tried it myself
ailoveyoom: Idk how legit it is tho
st.sioux: we have animal crossing at home
ailoveyoom: <@688807313015963693>
https://campfirecozyfriends.com/
okbut:
ailoveyoom: And it was more focused on AI powered free form convos
ailoveyoom: I think I remember finding a game like that, it was still in the beta/early access phase tho afaik
alejandrozarzuelo: I want Animal Crossing but the villagers have an actual AI-powered personality

since they can already pass the turing test they could be very convincing
.wolfnacht: possibility is high, i guess they are in denial phase of depression, eventually they will accept it
ailoveyoom: I thought you were an infinity believer, don't you read eldritch stories?
.wolfnacht: they threw away the the wizard, vicuna and phi is pretty shit...they did the same with windows phones few years ago and did the same with windows 7 as well even more years ago
fractalcomputer: Anyone who believes in infinity should be thrown off a high cliff.
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: these are the same retards that spend money on gun skins btw
st.sioux: i wonder if these anti-ai people will eventually stop using cellphones and computers because their autocorrect starts getting too good
ailoveyoom: It's like they don't WANT infinite content 😔
zonchao: did they fold?
.wolfnacht: just the animated player cards <:LOL:1187460826572005436>  and people got pissed of bcz of that when new MW3 came out.
zonchao: microsoft should push ai more
abundantliving_: https://x.com/Dr_Singularity/status/1910694592615239833
ailoveyoom: What AI features did they have?
.wolfnacht: cod did that too which looked cool but people still got pissed off back then bcz of it
ailoveyoom: I wish other customization based games did the same thing
.wolfnacht: he even refunded bcz of that lmao
ailoveyoom: They have pretty cool AI integrated features tbh
ailoveyoom: What does bro mean made mostly using AI 😭
.wolfnacht: i went to inzoi reviews to check and found another one
okbut: Just one more model bro
I swear bro this time it's it
alejandrozarzuelo: humans wont have the need to work
alejandrozarzuelo: nah unemployment will be total
okbut: I'm not a decel but every time this shit gets brought up my point is <a:talk2dawall:855515549245505536>
alejandrozarzuelo: so inefficient
alejandrozarzuelo: why woud you have hoomans doing that
alejandrozarzuelo: no
alejandrozarzuelo: wtf lol
trent_k: but sir, after the AGI revolution I was supposed to get a job as an FDVR anime waifu appraiser!
okbut:
okbut: Good point, because once "AGI" replaces all the (Software) jobs, there will be nothing left but mines and farm work
fuhulootogan: Srinivasa Ramanujan;


alejandrozarzuelo: you would undo the universe
alejandrozarzuelo: this means you coulsnt "travel"
perish0801: That is time travel
perish0801: Well yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: again, simulation or not doesnt matter, if we were in a simulation, the only thing you could do would be delete data and start again from some point
perish0801: There can be things we don’t know yet
perish0801: Our understanding of thermodynamics
alejandrozarzuelo: thermodynamics
perish0801: No what if we are living in a simulation.
alejandrozarzuelo: this is dimension hopping that APPEARS to be time travel
perish0801: Why can’t time be something where we can rewind it
alejandrozarzuelo: this is not time travel
perish0801: How do you know for sure
alejandrozarzuelo: thats just not possible
alejandrozarzuelo: but not time travel
alejandrozarzuelo: MAYBE we could do that
perish0801: Exactly
alejandrozarzuelo: so, potentially? sure
alejandrozarzuelo: and while there is literally 0 indication that this would be possible, there is also 0 indication that it wouldnt be possible
perish0801: (Even tho that’ll be pretty cool enough)
perish0801: Oh yeah I know I didn’t mean that
alejandrozarzuelo: look, traveling to another dimension that is nearly exactly the same as ours but 2000 years behind, is not time travelling
alejandrozarzuelo: thats just not what time travel means
perish0801: Nahh it is
perish0801: Hopefully we find out soon
alejandrozarzuelo: https://youtu.be/3cunKaj7ZxA?si=oPMt53aM5wQCWRXt
perish0801: There might be something that can make it happen
perish0801: According to your human brain you think that
perish0801: Something with wormholes different dimensions and all that
alejandrozarzuelo: its simply not possible
perish0801: Could be tho
perish0801: Yeah for the entertainment part
alejandrozarzuelo: not possible
perish0801: With the same people
perish0801: What if we can just disappear and appear back then
alejandrozarzuelo: not as if it matters to the user as we dont even know their real names, but still
alejandrozarzuelo: remember that all the people on that simulation, as time accurate as they may be, wouldnt be the exact same people that roamed the Campus Martius on 120AD
perish0801: See what actually happened
perish0801: I’ve always wanted something like google earth where you can go choose the year,date and time and zoom in on anywhere and just hit play
perish0801: Yeah but that would be fucking awesome


_3sphere: 8 billion minds just as complicated as mine
.wolfnacht: Porn isn't that bad as compared to those crazy drawn doujins and genres.
_3sphere: ...me too tbh
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Oh then no, I know everyone else is going about and what not I just find it hard to imagine there 8 billion me like animals
_3sphere: Gooning figures are mirages made to drill the remains of my brain's reproduction drive for pleasure and are not real, let alone people 😌
hikukomoru: This isn't even Fractal tier philosophy cmon dude
futurist_wizard: I was actually mimicking aave but close
hey1_1hey: You sound like you are a hippy trying to get me to do acid with you
futurist_wizard: Real people an shit? They be like thinking or some shit like that? Desires? Man.. real shit
hey1_1hey: Sloppy toppy ism?
hey1_1hey: I dont know what that is
hikukomoru: Did you just discover solipsism
hey1_1hey: Thought so, if it was anyone here it would be you
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: I am just a figment of your imagination
hikukomoru: I don't have a backstory
hey1_1hey: Its all quite a lot yanno
hey1_1hey: Not saying you haven't. I just find it hard to imagine that theres other conciose beings in this world. Not even just 1 or 2 of them but 8 billion of me all doing their own things and all wanting differnt things
hey1_1hey: I dont have a grudge against anything apart from maybe like 2 people but they are degens now so its alright
futurist_wizard: Moments took place
futurist_wizard: Things transpired
futurist_wizard: Events happen
hey1_1hey: I have a grudge against... let me think
futurist_wizard: Uh yeah? I've lived a life mushroom
hey1_1hey: If I remember Infernando has a grudge against weed
hey1_1hey: I swear theres a backstory for everyone here
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/never-goon-nevergoon-never-goon-orange-cat-gif-17686207109324907182
futurist_wizard: So i have a personal grudge against porn
futurist_wizard: I saw women as basically just sex objects and i would do and say whatever i could to achieve the sex, its a very horrible behaviour pattern to get caught up in
hey1_1hey: I think the only good thing about porn is that you can discover new kinks. I have a disconnect to porn though because one of my special interests for a while was kinks/feitshes <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600>
_3sphere: There was probably something weirdly wrong with your brain if gooning fixed it
hikukomoru: Porn made me more awesomer
_3sphere: I see it as an extension of fantasies
_3sphere: Doesn't seem to have much of an effect for me, compartmentalization mostly works
hey1_1hey: I wonder when the first sex robot humanoid will come about
hey1_1hey: I mean I just see women as people (I know hot take). Luckily I dont see them as sex roboots
futurist_wizard: But i remember a youtuber talking about how when they used to watch porn they viewed the women in their lives as catalysts for dopamine and sex and i related to that a lot
futurist_wizard: No I don't watch porn anymore
hey1_1hey: You tweaking of the gooner brain potion?


futurist_wizard: At least.
futurist_wizard: If i had to guess at least 60% are virgins
popsiclejohnithan: Imagine how much better sex will be after the Singularity.
fractalcomputer: I would doubt your conclusion. Have you had sex? I'd wager that the answer is most likely yes, which is why I am going to ask the follow-up question of why.
zonchao: poems from chatgpt work on a disturbingly high number of people, maybe you should give it a try
futurist_wizard: That is not true
hikukomoru: Anyways, sex
futurist_wizard: Lmao
popsiclejohnithan:
hikukomoru: I think it means wokism has gone too far
Like unironically
alejandrozarzuelo: I think most people here are quite sexually active

Idk, we are all hot it seems
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/rage-pain-scream-screaming-gif-11380082828166253172
futurist_wizard: I will, im setting up my profile now, i am now a he him lesbian, thanks for the support
zonchao: >HER
>looks inside
>he/him

what did they mean by this
fractalcomputer: That is a rather interesting interpretation.
okbut: I want the role
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah, I misunderstood it lol
hikukomoru: Sorry, download HER since half of the people there are men anyways
futurist_wizard: Thanks for coming out
fractalcomputer: He wants the role.
alejandrozarzuelo: What exactly does this mean
futurist_wizard: Disgusting
hikukomoru: Zon can help you out with that
hikukomoru: Download grindr
zonchao: i see
futurist_wizard: I haven't had sex with any men but i would like to
zonchao: <:LMAO:1072632343715647640>
okbut: More men than you
hikukomoru: sex
futurist_wizard: Very bad
futurist_wizard: Yes, i used to be a sex addict
okbut: Many men
popsiclejohnithan: No lmao.
fractalcomputer: Have any of you actually had sex, well, besides Trent?
okbut: It would be therapeutic giving me active role
futurist_wizard: A nice counterbalance
futurist_wizard: Living is good for living though
fractalcomputer: This wouldn't seem like therapy to me.
hikukomoru: That's why I'll live for a million years
_3sphere: From fetish posting to Fractal therapy 😭


spicy.lemonade: the point of being AI researcher is to be cautionary
spicy.lemonade: only ceos arent "doomers"
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: who disagrees with this
spicy.lemonade: name one researcher
brain4brain: when copy pasting chat, the reaction emoji isjf copied
spicy.lemonade: every researcher agrees with this
spicy.lemonade: to call it doomer
spicy.lemonade: but its overeacting
spicy.lemonade: its a pesemistic claim
spicy.lemonade: with several star emojis and checkmarks and a big brain
spicy.lemonade: grok is biased because in this convo you mentioned him wining
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > **Brain4Brain won the argument.** They convincingly argued that Noam Brown’s statement—“Remind me, Reid, how did that turn out for the nobles?”—is doomer, as it implies a dystopian future of conflict due to AI-driven inequality, using the French Revolution as a grim historical parallel. Aspicy_lemonade’s claim that it’s not doomer (just a critique of Hoffman’s analogy) downplays the statement’s pessimistic tone and doesn’t fully engage with Brain4Brain’s points about societal consequences.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Grok is currently analyzing our convo, if you don't like the results I could enable reasoning
spicy.lemonade: only people who are 100% optimistic about AI are the ceos
spicy.lemonade: I dont know a single researcher who doesnt believe this
brain4brain: And the security bot is the safety alignment and RLHF
spicy.lemonade: not even a doomer take
spicy.lemonade: thats every researchers perspective lol
brain4brain: Exactly AI-risk Doomerism
spicy.lemonade: and all labor
spicy.lemonade: if AI controlls everything
spicy.lemonade: for us humans
spicy.lemonade: hes saying it wont end well
spicy.lemonade: in this parallel
_3sphere: Oh
spicy.lemonade: and AI as peasants
spicy.lemonade: in this scenario
spicy.lemonade: me means humans
spicy.lemonade: hes and nobels
spicy.lemonade: by elites
_3sphere: The elites will have security bots this time
spicy.lemonade: literally what I said
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: let me ask grok
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: how
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: we don't need to argue about this, but Brain4Brain won
spicy.lemonade: he doesnt think AI should have full control over everything
spicy.lemonade: hes just dooming on full AI controll
brain4brain: I said two things, them hitting a wall (They likely didn’t) and Noam being a Doomer


anathemaofmankind: If that wasn't your intention then I concede
spicy.lemonade: Lol
spicy.lemonade: Dropout out at this time would
Be the worse decision
jonvi_1: Why are you being aggressive? I’ve not made a single generalized assertion
zonchao: yes
_3sphere: I got into STEM via obsession
spicy.lemonade: Interesting. Though not any Hs
Dropout. Got int y combinator the year he dropped
Out
futurist_wizard: They always bring out stupid fucking examples like bill gates who dropped out of HARVARD and was so busy with building a company that he had no time for school
jonvi_1: If you get a job or a business going during HS
anathemaofmankind: Drop out if you're so confident
anathemaofmankind: Are you in college?
maintcrew: who tf drops out of highschool bruh
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah thats probably why the math community seems much more open than the physics community

to be a mathematician is being lowkey obsessed with math as an abstract concept

so if somehting can make more math per mathing, thats great

although some people are also very anti AI here, probably the ones who came expecting 6 figure salaries
zonchao: no shit
brain4brain: Survivor ship bias
jonvi_1: (I would say his perspective is quite SWE minded)
_3sphere: It would have to be one of those extreme outlier HS dropouts
jonvi_1: Read the thread lol
futurist_wizard: Simple as
futurist_wizard: Statistically people with an education make way more than people without
zonchao: true
brain4brain: Obsession beats greed.

Those CS student came not because programming excites them, it can from wanting to have a job,

This is also true for other STEM major, be passionate about what you learn
futurist_wizard: People that say school or college is useless are dumb af
jonvi_1: We’re both from Sweden and I’ve spoken w/ him privately
alejandrozarzuelo: AI is basically complex math with engineering holding it together

A HS dropout wouldnt even know what a tensor even is
jonvi_1: Yeah Gabriel is not lying
spicy.lemonade: Fake story
zonchao: https://x.com/GabrielPeterss4/status/1902512259659919669?
jonvi_1: They’re a hs dropout
spicy.lemonade: They didn't drop out of Hs lol
spicy.lemonade: Or lying
spicy.lemonade: Ether a uni dropout
futurist_wizard: Might as well change the names to r/janitors
jonvi_1: I know they aren’t
jonvi_1: Lol
jonvi_1: No
spicy.lemonade: Theyre Lying
jonvi_1: Working on sora research
hikukomoru: r/csmajors and r/progammerhumor
jonvi_1: I’ve literally talked with one


juweigege_54993: No, he's not.
himekokatagiri: dude with ASI anyone will be able to run a sim
spicy.lemonade: damn
himekokatagiri: 300 times over
spicy.lemonade: sim owner has to be someone in power
himekokatagiri: will probably be simulated
himekokatagiri: this is what's funny this conversation
spicy.lemonade: i mean why would you time travel and not be in a powerful position
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/president-stops-president-smiles-ominous-smile-ominous-no-answer-gif-78197234359887585
himekokatagiri: too busy doing their own machinations
himekokatagiri: worst part is the sim owner probably doesn't even notice us
himekokatagiri: nah
himekokatagiri: some nerd
spicy.lemonade: gotta be elon
spicy.lemonade: bro who is controlling the sim😭 🙏
himekokatagiri: Meaning a p zombie
himekokatagiri: meaning disposable
himekokatagiri: I'm not the main character
himekokatagiri: then I'd be mad
himekokatagiri: lol
spicy.lemonade: ...
spicy.lemonade: what if this is one big fdvr time travel sim
joaoluz19: Fuck this simulation man
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
st.sioux: what if we are in your fdvr from the future, but you gave us agi in 2027???
himekokatagiri: lol
spicy.lemonade: see what happens
spicy.lemonade: in fdvr id go back in time and give researchers the transformers architecture paper but in 1990
.histic: only to the future due to relativity
but time travel to the past is fake news.
joaoluz19: We can call this a "weak" singularity because it has limits even with infinite time to evolve.
himekokatagiri: not even the time traveller would
himekokatagiri: and you wouldn't even know the changes
himekokatagiri: the world would be too different
himekokatagiri: because what's done is done
spicy.lemonade: why
juweigege_54993: Yeah,me too.
himekokatagiri: I hope time travel ain't real
spicy.lemonade: you always create a branch
spicy.lemonade: maybe you can only time travel to a parallel universe but canever affect the one youre on
himekokatagiri: me and you are gonna see the Beatles in Hamburg 1961


zoermena: A meme akin to the shortage of jobs
zoermena: There was a meme about a CS student going to a strip club and the stripper studied CS too
st.sioux: wow
st.sioux: you're a stripper?
zoermena: I understood that reference
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade:
realelonmuskx: luigi is getting cooked bro
futurist_wizard: President elon will give you a blue tick if he gets you pregnant
st.sioux: dont worry bro president elon will give you ubi
realelonmuskx: hvac and stripper thats it
futurist_wizard: Become a thief
spicy.lemonade: Llm proof
spicy.lemonade: Become a male stripper
realelonmuskx: swe is so dead bro. should i go to the trades? im lazy af
zoermena: I think so
spicy.lemonade: Sounds legit
futurist_wizard: Gpt 5 secret reveal?
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: this is so fucking funny
wellmeaningalien: https://fxtwitter.com/HotNewHipHop/status/1904249793263915028
wellmeaningalien: yeah nerd
mihrcelium: You mean anti-ai artists. It's really important to remember that "artists" is an extremely vague and broad term that encapsulates people for and against generative art, and not a monolith with one opinion. <:DALLE3_robot:1158958532700418078>
futurist_wizard:
otub: but is it the same quality
futurist_wizard: Hes burnt
_cloudost: Told in the prompt to make a Koishi comic
futurist_wizard: Why'd it turn it into a girl
_cloudost: Why is pyro a black person...
_cloudost: Gmod screenshot to comic
futurist_wizard: Did it
futurist_wizard:
zoermena: The image gen got faster
sweetievee__33649: i think we should feed the artists to the gpu monster because the artist to artwork conversion rate is lower than the gpu to artwork conversion rate
wellmeaningalien: technically if you subscribe to the idea of Biology being a Mechanism in itself then artists are just big fat GPUs that shit a lot
hikukomoru: He can be both pro ai and also a gross piece of shit at the same time you know
sweetievee__33649: thats actually smart i should pretend to be an artist and whine on twitter 🔥
futurist_wizard: nah it aint
hikukomoru: He’s saying the dude is just pretending to be pro ai
_cloudost: Someone who pretends to support a cause but in reality intentionally posts stuff to damage it's reputation


fuhulootogan: oh but death is an escape
futurist_wizard: I feel like those are contradicting beliefs
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/the-show-must-go-on-crying-dance-gif-15287522
fuhulootogan: SPEED UP OUR EXTINCTION
fractalcomputer: One might very well still be a nihilist and still propose that the physical cosmos exhibits certain teleological tendencies.
futurist_wizard: I am now the creature in my pfp
futurist_wizard: I no rep futurist anymore
retrerox: 10 tiktok dances you can do to speed up AGI and ASI
fractalcomputer: Anabelian geometry is the only thing that makes life worth living.
futurist_wizard: Universe no purpose
hikukomoru: Damn bruh stop changing your name and pfp every single day
fuhulootogan: adrenaline keeping bro on a string🐸
fractalcomputer: If the universe has any purpose, it is pure mathematics.
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/power-slap-big-boys-can-bang-road-to-the-title-eviahn-scott-makini-manu-gif-9325049567879412129
futurist_wizard: Grr
fractalcomputer: I just like making fun of applied mathematicians.
fuhulootogan: yeah
fuhulootogan: i was
fuhulootogan: me
hikukomoru: Fraccy you're being scary 🥺
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/hector-poopie-gif-26561916
alejandrozarzuelo: Who was talking about you?
fractalcomputer: God willing, each and every one of such scum will be hunted down to the last member. Man, woman and child; none shall be spared.
fuhulootogan: no
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/station-19-natasha-ross-you-took-the-bait-bait-you-fell-for-it-gif-10511554161356791454
alejandrozarzuelo: Today I learned that "certain people" seems to be synonymous with "literally everyone on earth"
hikukomoru: Yes 👆
zoermena: One day 🙏
st.sioux: is that what you look like zor
fractalcomputer: I'm making fun of certain people in this server.
zoermena:
fuhulootogan: in mostly all of his photos he looks like a twink
inferno0879: that explaining certain concepts might create a paradox in language but not in reality, if that makes sense
fuhulootogan: but now i can't find it
fractalcomputer: We would have an everlasting peace, as envisaged by the great Grothendieck.
gamerbath: how so?
fuhulootogan: i remember seeing a photo of terrence tao in which he looked badass af
fractalcomputer: All retardation on Earth would disappear the day applied mathematicians are sent to Hell where they belong.
inferno0879: alternatively the problem might actually just be the limitations of language, the thought crossed my mind
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/cricky-flouride-stare-agartha-whitemonstergang-flouride-gif-11418389775457402751


ailoveyoom: I've noticed Quasar using — lol
spicy.lemonade: Quasar is new 4.1
spicy.lemonade: 4.1 mini likeley
spicy.lemonade: Optimus is mini
ailoveyoom: So what's the dif between Optimus and Quasar Alpha chat
spicy.lemonade: OpenAI should train their models in real world physics simulator
wellmeaningalien: stargate
spicy.lemonade: learning from very minimal data (what yan lecuns jepa tries to do)
spicy.lemonade: data efficiency is the next big paradigm for pretraining
spicy.lemonade: now they arent
spicy.lemonade: gpt4 was made at a time where they were compute constrained as a company
spicy.lemonade: no pretraining wall
spicy.lemonade: >claude 3.7 level 1 mil context cheap opensource
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 will be insane
spicy.lemonade: its over
spicy.lemonade: if quasar is opensource???
.wolfnacht: should be able to run IQ2_XS quant (*for the desperate edition*)
.wolfnacht: anyone can run it, that's the beauty of open sauce models 🥰 , you just need 4 3090/4090's slapped on a xeon motherboard.
wellmeaningalien: <@848793071579693107> quasar = open source asi
wellmeaningalien: lemme guess i cant run it
wellmeaningalien: quasar is gonna be open source???
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/what-the-sigma-umm-what-the-sigma-erm-what-the-sigma-squidward-gif-8241065314650492645
wellmeaningalien: what the sigma
spicy.lemonade: slightlyOpenAI
brain4brain: A psyop to convince people that GPT-4.5 is not cooked
brain4brain: They are explaining the processes that went to train GPT-4.5
spicy.lemonade: prob explaining why it failed
himekokatagiri: But it's already out
spicy.lemonade: must be good
spicy.lemonade: sam is in the vid
himekokatagiri: isn't 4.5 old hat
himekokatagiri: what
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nJZopACRuQ
.wolfnacht: Quasar ?

https://fxtwitter.com/ollama/status/1910484582274916453
.wolfnacht: reliable agents*
-# hopefully
spicy.lemonade: And agi
spicy.lemonade: 2027 is year of innovators
spicy.lemonade: 2025 is year of reasoners
spicy.lemonade: 2026 is year of agents
spicy.lemonade: Image what ai will be able to do


hey1_1hey: What a g, I love dissociative drugs
hey1_1hey: They are both animals aswell
hikukomoru: Elon is tweaking on that Ketamine
hey1_1hey: matter
hey1_1hey: A body
hey1_1hey: I mean they both have yanno
hey1_1hey: Its pretty close bro 😭
hikukomoru: "A flying fish" 💔
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994
hey1_1hey: Good job though 👍
hey1_1hey: I have now read it 5 times and it still doesn't make any fucking sense
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160
hikukomoru: Elon what the fuck are you talking about
hey1_1hey: Really? Have you had first hand experince to?
futurist_wizard: You know bleach doesn't improve eyesight right?
hey1_1hey: If me being blind in one  eye was on anyones bingo you can check that off now
hey1_1hey: I just got shit eye sight leave me alone 😭
futurist_wizard: -10e37iq
realelonmuskx: stop anthropomorphizing animals and drawings blud
hey1_1hey: Oh thats a rat 💀
hey1_1hey: Isn't that a flying fish?
hey1_1hey: You assume you are the only one
hikukomoru: Am I the funny little voice in your head
_3sphere: rip GPUs
_3sphere: 4o text rate limit is less
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: You gotta restart sadly
hey1_1hey: Oh yeah thats a glitch
realelonmuskx: aint doing sht bruh
hikukomoru: Hi
hey1_1hey: Simple, I'd rather not think about my schziophrenic hallucinations
hey1_1hey: Yep
hikukomoru: What do you mean you don't talk about me
hey1_1hey: English
hey1_1hey: Oh yanno
futurist_wizard: Is this
realelonmuskx: does 4o image generation works on temporary chat mode?
futurist_wizard: Wtf
hey1_1hey: I imagine zon to be some 5'7 lil guy who is permentatly stewing in anger then theres fractal who meditates and resites tibeten poetry from memory then theres Komouru which... actually no.. we don't talk about Komoru
hikukomoru: It's okay to admit it
You're not the only furry here


trent_k: basically I did some simple reverse engineering on the website and worked out how the HTTP API worked for requesting user data
literallyvarane: I feel like this could be including Google searches or something weird. 350m feels like a lie
theaiguy69420_89814: i mean, "hey google" is gemini now
literallyvarane: Wait what sort of data from Roblox? Is there a blog or paper or on this?
gamerbath: wow really???? it's that really competitive with ChatGPT??
777agical: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1915113780909949154?s=46
trent_k: many of those people are still on roblox, still not banned, still interacting with children
joaoluz19: Literally us when no AI big news every 6 hours
trent_k: it's not a server, it's data from roblox
theaiguy69420_89814: Cuz it can do that light intelligence to be like "this is an f string, it's the same string, but doesn't need slash changes"
theaiguy69420_89814: Then tab is fantastic
theaiguy69420_89814: If the replacement changes slightly (for example, if you have to change a string to use back instead of forward slashes, you want to make sure the strings with the rb prefix aren't changed)
theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah, I'd use Ctrl h for that
theaiguy69420_89814: Lmao I thought you meant Ctrl+k
theaiguy69420_89814: o4-mini is a bit underconfident i guess
literallyvarane: I’d just be curious to see if the political alignment of that server could be inferred.
literallyvarane: https://knowingless.com/2021/10/26/political-compass-fetishes/

idk why this jogged my memory, but the political alignment vs fetish concept here could be curious just given how large that race play group is. Though perhaps you’d need to break it out from that vs feminization.

Not sure how accurate the link I shared is but w/e. could be entirely fiction.
theaiguy69420_89814: if i ctrl-h something that only needs the context of like, 20 lines of surrounding code, then its fine
theaiguy69420_89814: for ctrl+h, its super localized, like, for this change, it needed to know the structure of the import and import it at the top
gamerbath: but isn't that what you use ctrl+h for?
zonchao: 😭
zonchao: https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/1915062506374021216
theaiguy69420_89814: what is it
zonchao: its over
zonchao: anthropic is about to kill openai with this
zonchao: WOW
theaiguy69420_89814: its super simple, never screws up
theaiguy69420_89814: for stuff like, changing a hardcoded string everywhere, its great
theaiguy69420_89814: you have to like, start typing, and then it only works like half the time for stuff like this
theaiguy69420_89814: autocomplete needs some coercing to get the context
gamerbath: for simple stuff like that the autocomplete works fine. If the autocomplete needs more context i'll just add that in code comments, it's faster and cheaper than using chat. Also, I think the autocomplete model reads context automatically like types and stuff but I don't know the extent of this <@1303189881568100362>
zonchao: https://x.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1915100391404138809 this is big
st.sioux: i mean 10 words
theaiguy69420_89814: but they gathered too much
st.sioux: its like 10 lines
theaiguy69420_89814: there was some context you needed tbh
st.sioux: just write it yourself
gamerbath: that's it? why couldn't you just get cursor's autocomplete to do that?
theaiguy69420_89814: its very simple
theaiguy69420_89814: like look. all that reading, for this change


anathemaofmankind: Bro was preordering
alejandrozarzuelo: the two lower pics are ok
spicy.lemonade: "awe cute, wait a damn minute"
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: Why is no one questioning
spicy.lemonade: 💀
drewsni: https://geoquest-logic-game-92.lovable.app/

its US only, but you can play against the AI
alejandrozarzuelo: this is one of the reasons why i support deepseek's effort to go for efficiency
maintcrew: individual instances
maintcrew: agi in a toaster in a phone in a tv in a computer in a bus
maintcrew: agi in every single possible technology would go hard
maintcrew: true for both of you
alejandrozarzuelo: no, but it wouldnt be too hard to guess a random square in a small city in thailand either etc etc
wellmeaningalien: who knos i mean maybe the capabilities will distill down soon anyway
.wolfnacht: it'll reach their one day....we need AGI to be running off on our toasters, rather than big ass data centers
maintcrew: that is literally less than 100 people globally i think (individuals not companies)
wellmeaningalien: <:hai:1282544198301515848>
wellmeaningalien: mb mb
wellmeaningalien: oh yeah u said 4090
drewsni: unironically yes. Have you seen my geoguessr bench?
wellmeaningalien: yeah but the kind of people who are running deepseek r1 locally will def be able to run it
alejandrozarzuelo: people do tend to post pics of at least semi-common places

do you consider a random plaza in the middle of Gijon (a small city in northern spain) as a common place? i mean sure
maintcrew: 200b still doesnt fit in a 4090 dummy
wellmeaningalien: still like 20x bigger than any image gen model but yk
.wolfnacht: i think the admin of r/fdvr is here with us, in this gc
wellmeaningalien: thats cause they have to serve billions of people you dummy. but the GPT 4o model itself is like 200b params
maintcrew: i doubt the 4o image gen can run on your 4090 if sama says their gpus are burning
alejandrozarzuelo: everyone knows it already and it was a veeeeeery long name

i dont like long names in discord
.wolfnacht: i think r/fdvr should make this their new icon
.wolfnacht: I NEED FDVR NOW
wellmeaningalien: yes
wellmeaningalien: arguably it kind of sort of half is today
drewsni: im assuming most of the 9 are common locations?
maintcrew: ur going weak el zarzu
maintcrew: you removed | Oviedo from your name
.wolfnacht: what i do, stays with me and on my computer also, i've got a 4090
wellmeaningalien: where it is
spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
wellmeaningalien: can it guess my profile
alejandrozarzuelo: but faster