himekokatagiri: can't wait for the full model
himekokatagiri: Gemini image gen is shit though
thedon7075: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/18/openais-new-reasoning-ai-models-hallucinate-more/ over
.histic: gemini is the goat, i can't deny any longer.
himekokatagiri: We have Gemini who cares
spicy.lemonade: It would not compile
spicy.lemonade: Just from memory of syntax
spicy.lemonade: No sources
spicy.lemonade: In one shot
spicy.lemonade: imagine someone asked you to write a 500 line program to do something
spicy.lemonade: You’re misunderstanding hallucinations
aero447: 2035.
zoermena: It’s so freaking over
.histic: didn't see this,
https://x.com/HarshaGadekar/status/1913420963901063570
"OpenAI writes that “more research is needed” to understand why hallucinations are getting worse as it scales up reasoning models." <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: but even on cursor it seems stun locked.
output lengths are mid.
.histic: on a small scale it's good.
trey6033: Higher hallucination rate probably doesn't help
.histic: it's garbage
.histic: relatable
sieventer: https://x.com/wordgrammer/status/1913100275302224275?s=46
zoermena: Are you sure it was for everyone?
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: You have 2.5 pro
himekokatagiri: limitations too sad
himekokatagiri: ran out of images to make
himekokatagiri: I haven't been using gpt
spicy.lemonade: .
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: and now i can use
spicy.lemonade: i used up all of mine yesterday
spicy.lemonade: no
st.sioux: wdym reset
aero447: Mine still has 23rd.
aero447: Lies.
spicy.lemonade: O3 reset for everyone
spicy.lemonade: wtf
trent_k: there's a bunch of nut-maxxing supplements you can take. but idk if they actually make ur swimmers faster
aero447: <@430269783112548362> vs <@1190031399080710195>
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/wrestlemania28-john-cena-rock-cena-rock-cena-rock-wrestlemania-gif-27519679
aero447: Holy shit.


wellmeaningalien: 💀
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: it works but holy shit its hard
wellmeaningalien: expert in your pocket, good at everything, SWEs are gonna be cooked
wellmeaningalien: gemini 2.5 pro really is the goat huh
wellmeaningalien: lets see how it deals with this
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: i should also tell it to make the arena a circle
spicy.lemonade: yeah
spicy.lemonade: itl be better
wellmeaningalien: just video no specific instruction
spicy.lemonade: tell the ducks to behave like boids
wellmeaningalien: one shot
spicy.lemonade: W
wellmeaningalien: ignore the music lol
wellmeaningalien: goated it works great
.wolfnacht: only if u managed to survive post 2030
himekokatagiri: something like world of horror
himekokatagiri: when am I gonna be able to make hardcore games
wellmeaningalien: gonna try it myself
wellmeaningalien: waitwaitwait
wellmeaningalien: send code
wellmeaningalien: send code
spicy.lemonade: next week will be big
spicy.lemonade: yes
oscurrito: https://chatgpt.com/?model=o4-mini you can see o4 mini for like less than a second
spicy.lemonade: asked to recreate and it did
spicy.lemonade: gave 2.5 the video
spicy.lemonade: saw a nice game a dev made
spicy.lemonade: I went on twitter
spicy.lemonade: https://x.com/keepeetron/status/1911032943553765571
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: GUYS
spicy.lemonade: swe dies this year
spicy.lemonade: same
alejandrozarzuelo: Honestly, everything that automates Math and physics is goated

I said it before, but my Math professors are usually very AI optimistic, because they understand the possibilities that it unleashes
technocake.: we're getting there prob this year
alejandrozarzuelo: Ohh that would be cool


trent_k: Wyoming is almost as big as Texas and has barely half a million people in it. I've been saying for ages we should move Israel there
perish0801: There’s enough space
trojan09205: I feel like most people here wouldnt feel so negative about life overall if they were outside more and also lived in a more tribal like structure
perish0801: Russia, Canada, Australia. Kazakhstan, Mongolia
fractalcomputer: I can certainly say that I wish a few billion people died now, on the spot, without saying that it should be so, in any meaningful sense.
futurist_wizard: We should value the humans we have today more, not humans that don't exist
hikukomoru: ?
trojan09205: One negative of the world today is just how disconnected we are from nature and outdoors
hikukomoru: Siberia
hikukomoru: The sahara
hikukomoru: Build where
trent_k: <:Thonk:356771720863940608>
trent_k: Turn it into one?
fractalcomputer: Obviously. But I am not expressing ethical demands here, am I now?
perish0801: No we need to give more humans the opportunity to experience bliss
st.sioux: just one more city bro
hikukomoru: Yeah let's just turn India into a gigantic slum
perish0801: The planet can fit more people. Just build more cities in empty countries
futurist_wizard: Not too much less
futurist_wizard: If agi is achieved less people is a more optimal outcome
alejandrozarzuelo: No, but it would be logically consistent with some of the things you say
fractalcomputer: Do you want me to murder people, Alejandro?
futurist_wizard: It's still a prayer
trent_k: The planet desperately needs several billion more people
trojan09205: Basically you have to go out of your way to see the positive things in life
himekokatagiri: because people won't die anymore
st.sioux: AYEE
himekokatagiri: with LEV maybe some brake is needed
alejandrozarzuelo: Your lack of commitment to personally get closer to that goal leads me to believe that you are not committed to extending that action to others
himekokatagiri: oh yeah there's the thing right
himekokatagiri: aren't we gonna reverse aging
fractalcomputer: Thank you, I have repeatedly said that I can't speak English. A few billions less.
futurist_wizard:
trojan09205: All i know is that I now have headphone sunglasses and they are amazing so another plus for 2025
perish0801: Where tf did that come from
hikukomoru: A few billions less
trent_k: We're just gonna kill em
fractalcomputer: The planet could definitely do with a few less billion people.
hikukomoru: Are you one of them eugenics guys
futurist_wizard: Too little young people


futurist_wizard: Or they could not be
joaoluz19: Not only are people in the "natural" world suboptimal by definition because they are not built to minimize their cost functions, even if you are the most beautiful person on planet Earth, a billionaire, etc., you will still have to compete with other people. There will be no competition with a waifu and by definition she will be the most perfect person that can exist based on your own neural circuitry.
futurist_wizard: They could be
_3sphere: The robots are doing what people used to, so it kinda makes sense that people can keep receiving the same amount of money and everything is like it was before
_3sphere: They'll be so high that this starts to look sane
_3sphere: Automation profits yes
futurist_wizard: You belong in a coal mine
futurist_wizard: But that's not your natural habitat, you'll freeze to death
hikukomoru: And isolated too
hikukomoru: It’s also cold and I love the cold
futurist_wizard: Iceland is very lesbian so you are in luck
hikukomoru: BRB moving to Iceland
futurist_wizard: Like Iceland has a high gdp to population ratio
hikukomoru: In an ideal scenario, taxing automation profits + most goods becoming cheaper because of automation could be a way to do it
futurist_wizard: Some countries would have an easier time
futurist_wizard: Even $1000 a month is extreme, taxes would need to increase a lot
futurist_wizard: It is, its a tremendous amount of money
hikukomoru: The problem is how you’re going to fund it
_3sphere: UBI isn't that complicated to pass though, is it
hikukomoru: Any Norwegian sugar mommy wanna marry me 🫦 🫦
futurist_wizard: You think I’m crazy? GOOD. That’s what they WANT you to think. That’s the program talking. I’ve seen the wires behind the sky. I’ve watched the shadows blink back. Every time I speak, your eyes glaze over like you’ve been pre-triggered to ignore the truth. You think it’s a coincidence birds don’t sing near government buildings? That the moon’s been showing the same face for all of recorded history? THEY'RE TESTING SOMETHING. I’ve felt the hum in my teeth. I’ve watched strangers mouth my thoughts two seconds before I think them. You laugh now—but when the vending machines start assigning you emotions, remember who warned you. Tick. Tock.
futurist_wizard: Norway has only suggested and test ran ubi experiments, as for policy there isn't any for the foreseeable future
hikukomoru: Moving to Norway for UBI
_3sphere: Xorway
aero447: Yes way.
hikukomoru: Norway
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/hibike-anime-anime-yapping-yap-shut-up-gif-14097572782261890092
futurist_wizard: No country has that plan
futurist_wizard: Its partly serious, there isn't any plans in the event of mass automation to start giving out ubi
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/yapping-core-gif-13832367874368918598
futurist_wizard: UBI? HA. That’s the bedtime story they tell you while they gut the middle class and train the drones to replace you. You think the lizard-brained elites are gonna bankroll your Netflix-and-bread lifestyle once the bots take over? No, bro—they're building a society where you don’t exist. You’re a variable in a spreadsheet marked “expendable.” They’ll gaslight you with TED Talks on “post-labor futures” while slipping social credit systems into your oat milk. You won’t get a check—you’ll get a QR code that decides if you’re allowed to eat. UBI isn’t coming. Digital feudalism is. And you're not the lord. You're the livestock.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-13669406505701813608
ailoveyoom: Hi 4o 👋
futurist_wizard: LMAO y’all really think UBI is happening when the robots take our jobs? Bro. The gov ain’t handing out free money, they’re too busy simping for megacorps and funneling taxpayer cash into space yachts and drone strikes. They love us desperate and broke—it keeps the wage cage full. UBI threatens the grindset pyramid scheme and you think Bezos is gonna let that slide? Hell nah. Politicians will drop a 900-page report on “fiscal concerns” while AI replaces your job with an Excel macro. Cope harder, UBI won’t save you. Touch grass and learn to code (just kidding, AI took that too).
fractalcomputer: Many would consider this rude.
futurist_wizard: I do not trust under this economy
hikukomoru: Trust
hikukomoru: We're all getting UBI
futurist_wizard: That's because you think you are gonna get government checks in return
futurist_wizard: Automated debates


spicy.lemonade: or sam altman
spicy.lemonade: id become wiston churchil
himekokatagiri: all privacy is null and void, guv'nor
spicy.lemonade: idk any time
juweigege_54993: Except we are traveling forward
himekokatagiri: here's the thing if we get an ancestor sim though
joaoluz19: Bro I had that dream since I was a child
himekokatagiri: irl time travel ain't real
spicy.lemonade: asi will probably ban irl time travel
himekokatagiri: to when
spicy.lemonade: id time travel
joaoluz19: The thing I want the most in FDVR is like beatiful seas and mountains with only me and not much people in it.
spicy.lemonade: oh i know what id do in fdvr
juweigege_54993: I don't want hivemind. I just want FDVR and ascension, and Immortality.
himekokatagiri: telling me what to do
spicy.lemonade: human hivemind
himekokatagiri: I don't want the borg
spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/eyes-gif-25519499
himekokatagiri: but I wanna have peace
himekokatagiri: look if you two wanna like do freaky things in a hivemind sure
himekokatagiri: Lily what do you even know about singularity
spicy.lemonade: we typed that at same time
spicy.lemonade: irony
juweigege_54993: I will ascend then. After a few years in FDVR, then go back to FDVR.
himekokatagiri: it already started
joaoluz19: Yep everyone has to feel the glorious evolution
spicy.lemonade: lol
st.sioux: hivemind
spicy.lemonade: you must join the hivemind
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
joaoluz19: Basic lol
spicy.lemonade: nah everyuone must ascend
himekokatagiri: I just want the basic lev, fdvr package
himekokatagiri: is it a choice
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: 10 years in singularity time humans will probablky have ascended to something greater
himekokatagiri: 1908 vest pocket
himekokatagiri: I recommend the Colt .25
himekokatagiri: so get yourself a gun too
himekokatagiri: They'll have the nanofactory


st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/megamind-lol-smiley-face-funny-text-gif-15779834
trent_k: Pretending to be somehow above your basic biological impulses is retarded. 🤓 uhm akshually according to the rules of facts and logic 🤓
perish0801: Cope and seethe
trojan09205: you have that choice - if you're alive today you're a miracle combined with free choice
himekokatagiri: alright lads calm down
perish0801: Nothing we just have difference worldviews and that’s okay
fractalcomputer: I don't know, I'd feel great not existing.
futurist_wizard: You are likely a manlet, being a cave creature isn't anything to brag about
trojan09205: dude my macbook spacebar just is stuck or something it sometimes makes me press space twice
hikukomoru: What's wrong my pronouns Mr. Perish
trojan09205: we are alllucky as fuck to be alive
perish0801: And your pronouns are boo/bee
trojan09205: Life literally hangs on by a thread
hikukomoru: This is some neanderthal mindest bruh
alejandrozarzuelo: Dude that's not true
st.sioux: what if your kid kills themselves
trent_k: While you cope about how it's "not the right time to bring a kid into the world" there's an indentured servant immigrant woman paid $6/hr to clean cum stains out of the sheets at the local crack motel, and she's managing just fine
alejandrozarzuelo: Not just that, if you have a kid that kid may decide to not have kids
hikukomoru: I don't like kids either
Never gonna have em
perish0801: No it’s a feeling you get when you have above femboy levels of testosterone. You wouldnt know
trojan09205: no you cannot. tragedies can happen
alejandrozarzuelo: No
futurist_wizard: That's literally apeism
perish0801: I can
alejandrozarzuelo: You can't know that
perish0801: Just kill em
theaiguy69420_89814: That's true too
perish0801: Knowing your genetics get passed on for thousands of years is a great feeling
alejandrozarzuelo: Personally I would like to have one, more than one seems too much
trojan09205: was commenting about the crazy hoes lol
theaiguy69420_89814: What if they're a psychopath, or worse, just plain old ugly
st.sioux: cope
trent_k: Yeah they rock
perish0801: Yes
theaiguy69420_89814: Are they worth?
alejandrozarzuelo: It is extremely hard to predict population in the future

Not only because of LEV, but you have to consider the possibility that by 2100 we may not even be mostly biological humans anymore

Or we could be all eradicated, or...
theaiguy69420_89814: My wife and I are debating about children now
trent_k: They also didn't have penicillin or microwavable raviolis or OSHA or sterile delivery rooms. There has never been a better time to have a kid
futurist_wizard: Will get vasectomy
futurist_wizard: Never liked children


st.sioux: the definition of arbitrary is abritrary
alejandrozarzuelo: you know the guy who decides what is foul play on a football match
alejandrozarzuelo: arbitrary comes from ARBIT
alejandrozarzuelo: as <@723564215574462474> said, this is not what arbitrary used to mean
fuhulootogan: this definition feels a lot easier to swallow
fuhulootogan:
fuhulootogan: in the sense i suppose you're trying to define it
fuhulootogan: define arbitrary first
fuhulootogan: lets just
fuhulootogan: okay
inferno0879: that conclusion is a bit arbitrary
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah, it was very biased of me to have said that

let me rephrase my thoghts

The definition of art, woman, tea, paper etc is arbitrary as all definitions are

these definitions as long as they are considtent are valid

but definitions change to be USEFUL, as veing valid alone doesnt make a definition good

the definition of art being a human creativity endavor is valid, in my opinion it is not useful

the same way that defining a woman as a human with female reproductive organs is valid, but not useful
frittata: Kind of how literally now means both literally and it’s opposite 💀
frittata: Unfortunately there’s two definitions and they’re lowkey opposites. Arbitrary has colloquially taken on the meaning of capricious and even random; historically, arbitrary meant a judgment call, often by an expert or experts in a field
fuhulootogan: how do you separate the wheat from the chaff if it's all the same thing
fuhulootogan: inferring from your message, if all definitions are arbitrary how do you rank them?
fuhulootogan: i like how you call definitions "arbitrary" and then proceed to go on to call a dictionaries definition "shit"
alejandrozarzuelo: the collective part is probably not necessary
fuhulootogan: that is the most peculiar definition i've ever heard
frittata: And relevance
frittata: Novelty
frittata: Art is transformation
alejandrozarzuelo: decided by collective agreement without a prior basis
frittata: Buncha Philistines discussing art smh
fuhulootogan: define arbitrary
fuhulootogan: first of all
alejandrozarzuelo: for the longest time "woman" was defined as a human with female reproductive organs

definitions only need one requirement: consistency, that definition of art and this definition of woman are consistent, they are correct

are they useful? thats up to society to decide

definitions change all the time, because they are arbitrary, and as long as they are consistent, they are valid
fuhulootogan: let me respond
fuhulootogan: calm down a bit
fuhulootogan: its getting heated in here
alejandrozarzuelo: ok, definitions are arbitrary

if you want to define art as something human, then you can do it and by THAT definition, even if an AI has consciousness it will never create art

by this definition elephants, dogs, and other animals cannot create art as it is human creatibity

it is a correct definition, but it is a needlessly narrow one

again, i can claim that a woman is a human with a vagina, and that would also be a consistent definition, but it would also be needlessly restrictive
ailoveyoom: I actually think text to image models are super cool abominations. It trained off millions of images and keyword pairs, and then all of a sudden it can make anything! There's something beautiful about that. I can see how it'd be scary for some, but I like that perspective too.
fuhulootogan: just saying
fuhulootogan: i'm gonna trust a dictionary more than a discord user
fuhulootogan: lmfao
fuhulootogan: how do you even rank the validity of a definition
gamerbath: it's literally the dictionary definition. It's objectively correct
alejandrozarzuelo: like, sure if i say that all appples must be red, then I can claim a green apple is not an apple
fuhulootogan: no
fuhulootogan: uhh


alejandrozarzuelo: The EU is a confederation
alejandrozarzuelo: It is working? It's just that the EU is very weak because the national governments barely give it any power
maintcrew: the eu one
maintcrew: then why isnt it working
alejandrozarzuelo: Even tho he thinks that is what it means
alejandrozarzuelo: Also, technocracy is not Elon being king of the universe because he is the smartest boy
alejandrozarzuelo: The EU goverment  is the closest we have to a technocracy in the democratic world, but so is the chinese and Singaporean goverments
alejandrozarzuelo: A technocracy is simply a goverment where the decisions are taken by experts on the field, usually those who rise on meritocratic grounds
alejandrozarzuelo: Lol
futurist_wizard: The elon musk technocracy 🤓 hes so smart11!
hikukomoru: Your English is better than mine don't be surprised
himekokatagiri: judge what's better
himekokatagiri: 1964 pop rock:
https://youtu.be/oxwAB3SECtc

1964 lost recording that was too hot for the record label:
https://youtu.be/83kYS1bEmjk
hikukomoru: Never
alejandrozarzuelo: Damn, I thought you knew English
hikukomoru: Noooooo
futurist_wizard: W
alejandrozarzuelo: AI will make us all join the hivemind and these problems of "individuals" will cease to exist
hikukomoru: What exactly is a technocratic system
himekokatagiri: 1964 was: oops, all Beatles!
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't assume everyone is stupid and dumb

I assume that people are not fit to decide on most cases, but I include myself on this

The irrationality of democracy is asking a physicist and a mathematician about which healthcare system is best and asking a nurse about climate change on the same ballot

People aren't stupid, we are ignorant simply because we cannot possibly know everything

This is why we need a technocratic system (with some democratic counterbalances)
himekokatagiri: because those only comp the best
himekokatagiri: not YouTube comps
himekokatagiri: anyhow if you wanna listen to the hell that was music in 1959 - 1963 just look at what charted
futurist_wizard: The only way we get out of this is if AI takes over
futurist_wizard: Surveillance state
himekokatagiri: holy shit music today is just like 1962
himekokatagiri: but rock and roll was rocking
himekokatagiri: especially with all the fad dances
himekokatagiri: well yeah pop music in 1962 was dire
maintcrew: music peaked in 2008 with the release of the much celebrated album Graduation by controversial figure Kanye West
alejandrozarzuelo: Sure, but the point is that, when crime is basically zero, you don't need to do that except on marginal cases

And you do you get crime to be zero? A surveillance state AND reducing inequality and poverty

The latter part is one Singapore should improve upon
himekokatagiri: ⏰
himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!!!
himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!!
himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!
himekokatagiri: the music is reversible, but time is not!
maintcrew: i think its literally the opposite like
ur lobotomized state -> assume everyone is dumb
anarchy/libertarian -> assume everyone is smart
himekokatagiri: The world peaked in 1962, let's all own it
futurist_wizard: Or Europe for that matter


futurist_wizard: Imagine asking mrbeast what to do about contentious issues like immigration or trans rights. Guy would be like 'uhh well uhh i will do the right thing'
trojan09205: Yeah but you also need to find a will to live even if life sucks in a hard labor camp
himekokatagiri: I guess I'm happy that I ain't dead but my life could be better lol
st.sioux: so what you mean when you say "being grateful of being alive" is really "not actively wanting to die or being suicidal"
trent_k: life is so good
trent_k: hell yes brother we need more of this type of posting
alejandrozarzuelo: Nope, I am just feel so privileged, my life is filled with so much pleasure and joy that I cannot but feel grateful for being alive now
trent_k: 😱
trent_k: and his willingness to work with sex offenders
trent_k: he'll be elected for his access to children
futurist_wizard: **Literally this**
hikukomoru: How is individualism compatible with hive mind
perish0801: If anyone enjoys living and doesn’t wanna die the next given moment they are grateful to be alive whether they say it out loud or not
futurist_wizard: My guy avoids conflict like the plague
fractalcomputer: Gratitude is the thing keeping you alive? Not spite?
alejandrozarzuelo: People need to learn graph theory ffs
himekokatagiri: me toooo
alejandrozarzuelo: They are not incompatible
hikukomoru: I for one like being an individual
alejandrozarzuelo: I am just here for the ride, FOMO is probably the second thing keeping me alive

Gratitude is probably the firsr6
zoermena: Mr beast will be president
st.sioux: you're going to extremes here, not being grateful to be alive doesn't automatically end up in death or depression... its most definitely not black and white
futurist_wizard: No choice 😈
perish0801: Which wont matter in a post agi society
trent_k: couldnt imagine what the world is going to look like even 10 years down the line
perish0801: If not for societal reasons ofc
trent_k: very much agree
perish0801: I see anyone not choosing continuing to live over death as mentally ill. Clinical depression, suicidal. Which is a mental illness
hikukomoru: God no
I'm not gonna share a hivemind with you
trojan09205: To continue living your best life
alejandrozarzuelo: In 2000 you could have guessed what 2025 looks like, more or less

But the same exercise from 2025 to 2050 becomes completely and absolutely futile
trojan09205: You need a “will to live”
trojan09205: Not that uncommon tho
trojan09205: Its definitely a neurosis
alejandrozarzuelo: Which is absurd to think if you really give some thought
st.sioux: idk what this has to do with my question, do you see not being grateful to be alive as a mental disease?
alejandrozarzuelo: I cannot even imagine the fact of forecasting with any degree of accuracy what may lie beyond 2050
alejandrozarzuelo: I agree
alejandrozarzuelo: You know, we might join the hive mind and stop having biological bodies

Or maybe not, we really cannot say
perish0801: Life will be good


destrucules:
destrucules: Even with Gemini 2.5 Flash (Standard) and GPT-4.1 joining the same class as V3.1 and Llama 4 Maverick and Grok 3 and Gemini 2.0 Pro and Claude 3.7 Sonnet, V3.1 remains the frontrunner, so it still feels very frontier to me. Can't wait for that to feel as silly as looking back at Llama 3 70B rn and trying to remember how I felt about it literally 12 goddamn months ago when it was new.
destrucules: On a more personal note, these are all of the models I thought were really impressive on release and felt very "frontier" to me for a good long while, with Llama 2 7B serving as a proxy for GPT-3, and Gemini 1.0 Pro serving as a proxy for GPT-3.5.
fractalcomputer: Right.
destrucules: If you figure out how to pin it down lmk and I'll let you know if this conjures something interesting in my unconscious
fractalcomputer: That's not quite the sort of "infinitary" proof I'm thinking of. For example, the ZFC model of set theory has the axiom schema of replacement; and it just allows you to generate arbitrarily many new axioms—indeed, ZFC is not *finitely* axiomatisable precisely because it needs that axiom schema. But I'm thinking of something more along the lines of computationally intractable or some sort of deductive process that quite literally will not ever "end" in some particular proposition. I don't know, again, I don't think this needs that much scrutiny.
destrucules: If you have a way of describing the construction of an infinite proof, and some formal reason that the proof will indeed prove the theorem, then you can prove the theorem by showing those two things.
destrucules: You would need to conceptualize a concept that is infinitely nontrivial, such that even the rules for describing it, for gesturing at it, are infinite in size. It would be indescribable with mathematics as we study them
fractalcomputer: I'm not sure what you mean by convergence here.
destrucules: There's also the matter that like... You can build infinitely long proofs with finitely sized proofs. If there's some way to describe, in finite length, the construction of the infinite proof, then the proof can be written in finite length by describing that process and showing that it converges to a correct proof
fractalcomputer: It's a shame I don't have any logician friends.
destrucules: I like this notion, but I don't know of any conventionally unsolvable proofs that could be proven in an infinite number of steps. There's usually a more fundamental reason, like an internal contradiction, for why they can't be solved.
.wolfnacht: idk
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/aguhiyori-agu-seal-agu-cute-seal-seal-clap-gif-7994364550587801526
destrucules: We already went from noise floor to 9% with o1 to 20% with o3 in the space from September 2024 to December 2024. So, 3 months, about 10 point increase, so if we maintain that rate (an assumption worth nitpicking) then it's 40 points of gain per year, and we should hit ~60 points on HLE in 12 months
fractalcomputer: And suppose we manage to generalise this notion in a meaningful manner; do there exist "infinitary" proofs for conventionally unsolvable propositions? Probably.
fractalcomputer: Does the notion of a logical deduction make sense if we allow arbitrarily long chains of reasoning between various propositions?
.wolfnacht: Morninnnn, Is AGI cancelled ?
fractalcomputer: I actually wonder what logicians would do with "infinitely" long proofs.
spicy.lemonade: Etc
spicy.lemonade: Like humanities last exam and enigma bench
spicy.lemonade: Next year next generation of benchmarks will be saturated
destrucules: But we're saturating it now
destrucules: It scales slow yeah
spicy.lemonade: Grew slowly
spicy.lemonade: Tf going on with mmlu
destrucules: This was 12 months ago
destrucules: We were debating whether Llama 3 70B Instruct was better or worse than Claude 3 Sonnet
destrucules: Alibaba had just released Qwen1.5
destrucules: The best Gemma was Gemma 7B, which was Mistral-7B tier
destrucules: April 2024, we didn't have Gemini 1.5 Pro yet. No Flash neither. Gemini 1.0 Ultra was their flagship. Llama 3 just dropped, along with Claude 3, and OpenAI's flagship was GPT-4 Turbo. Mistral's flagship was Mistral-large, and people were still hyped about Mistral-8x7B
spicy.lemonade: Sora dropped and we had Q* leaks. Only hype that was there
spicy.lemonade: Oh yeah
destrucules: 4o was May
destrucules: Nope
spicy.lemonade: 4o just dropped and that was it
destrucules: Try to remember what April 2024 felt like. Fr
destrucules: Easy to forget how far we've come. o4 mini (high) vs the model market exactly 12 months ago
ailoveyoom: No loss there
ailoveyoom: This is why I settle on Google mostly, they already have all my data anyway 😇


sarik0497: Rare Asmongold W
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: he is more e/acc than most on this server btw talks about ubi and shit
zonchao: he said things will only get worse for artists and they should deal with it instead of crying about it
hey1_1hey: Asmongold? What did he say about AI <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/pisscord-gif-7378587637875019303
wellmeaningalien: He needs to be excommunicated
wellmeaningalien: Is roach man in our cult or not in our cult
ailoveyoom: Be fr, easily accessible advanced image manipulation won't just be used for good
ailoveyoom: You can be pro AI while acknowledging the risks tho
spicy.lemonade: For video
spicy.lemonade: We might see a native image gen moment
spicy.lemonade: Due to native image tech
spicy.lemonade: Just not Hollywood movie
spicy.lemonade: It might be a very good 10-20 min clip
_cloudost: As such tools will most likely ruin entertainment
spicy.lemonade: Actually
spicy.lemonade: It won’t be holywood level
_cloudost: We will be seeing YouTubers protest against AI
_cloudost: Hollywood will still stay?
spicy.lemonade: I expect sora2 by the end of this year and it should be reaching 10 to maybe even 20 minutes of video and much more coherent than veo 2
_cloudost: You shouldn't call a group of people by racial slurs, it's primitive
.wolfnacht: ig it's delayed till two more months i guess...he literally had half of the globe's data...still can't come up with something.
zoermena: I don’t, for some reason I woke up and now I’m struggling to stay awake.
literallyvarane: Dead serious answer imo is that they realized they were <R1 m/V3 or whatever and started scratch again.
.wolfnacht: he lost his sanity last time he decided to give his opinion, when he got attacked by palestintards
_cloudost: Does this guy take showers?
futurist_wizard: Sounds like standard normie opinions to me
.wolfnacht: it's 1 april and where tf is Illama4
futurist_wizard: Didn't he describe the new gpt image gen as 'scary' and 'things are going to get a lot worse'
spicy.lemonade: Idk
.wolfnacht: but won't be available for public until 2027-28.
zonchao: didn't he quit
ldj: It’s like 2 years old btw lol
(But thanks for the thought anyways)
.wolfnacht: she ruined it.
spicy.lemonade: Oh lol
ldj: I’ve seen it already 👍
spicy.lemonade: They’re a researcher at openAI
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/asmon-asmongold-asmon-gold-streamer-gif-14367015105928358791
zonchao: only the roach king


futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: Paris is improving so much
rayanquitplayin: I fw Paris
alejandrozarzuelo: How? I've recently been to both
futurist_wizard:
futurist_wizard: Brother you ain't got no clue dawg
alejandrozarzuelo: Also, paris is now more pedestrian friendly
alejandrozarzuelo: No lol, London is very chaotic, Paris is much more orderly
futurist_wizard: But only a tad
futurist_wizard: London is a bit better
alejandrozarzuelo: People hate paris because they are envious
wellmeaningalien: mèh
alejandrozarzuelo: Paris is the best
alejandrozarzuelo: Damn the downgrade
wellmeaningalien: <a:droid_cry_squish:1229586954518007869>
wellmeaningalien: i was born there
wellmeaningalien: facts
futurist_wizard: I remember taking that gif in paris it really is paris
alejandrozarzuelo: Hmmmm
alejandrozarzuelo: I love Paris
wellmeaningalien: héllo
alejandrozarzuelo: Paris is goated
alejandrozarzuelo: Nah
futurist_wizard: Real gif of paris
futurist_wizard: But my god paris..
futurist_wizard: France is cool in the alps area
alejandrozarzuelo: The thing is, the catholic Church is very pro Palestine, so in catholic countries, the youth is pro Palestine and the elderly is catholic so they agree with the pope
futurist_wizard: At least among the youth
hikukomoru: Even worse
futurist_wizard: I think anti Israel sentiment is very common in west
alejandrozarzuelo: Oh well, here's hoping that open source will make so many countries can top
futurist_wizard: Spain is okay i plan to go sometime
rayanquitplayin: I went to Europe in middle school but I didn’t go to Spain
hikukomoru: Idk
I'd need to see an opinion poll or something
alejandrozarzuelo: I prefer France
alejandrozarzuelo: Spain is alright
futurist_wizard: https://x.com/ProseccoLiquido/status/1909666713227919843?t=aHEBiLXsV9uJ8D1W6Qo3VA&s=19
rayanquitplayin: I don’t have a problem with Spain
futurist_wizard: Thr mountains were cool though
rayanquitplayin: Sheeeesh


spacetimetsunami: Right, no country is filled with them, most people arent femboys
st.sioux: we are currently in the femboy winter of 2025
abundantliving_:
futurist_wizard: Is any
spacetimetsunami: Is ours?
playstation.6: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hikukomoru: There are no femboys here
playstation.6: is your country filled with femboys?
fractalcomputer: I personally prefer Iwasawa theory.
hikukomoru: mmm yes Artin–Schreier theory
joaoluz19: And is a serious question btw
joaoluz19: Non-uncanny Robot waiifus when San
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/obelix-asterix-et-geeko-geekorama-gif-23129847
hikukomoru: Bro is replying to a message from days ago
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994
fractalcomputer: It is the study of symmetries of certain kinds of algebraic structures.
.0xunkn0wn: k
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/ex-machina-oscar-isaac-dance-floor-gif-18569498
wellmeaningalien: dude just use gemini 2.5 pro its free and objectively better at everything
.0xunkn0wn: project manhattan + stuff about oppenheimer movie
wellmeaningalien: NEVER USE 4O FOR ANYTHING STEM
ldj: Before something like this happens,
please feel free to ask me my latest thoughts on anything, so that way you know I'm not changing my statements for financial incentives once I gain such incentives in the future <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
.0xunkn0wn: i got sick assignment for science
st.sioux: 4o is kind of stupid now
st.sioux: try 2.5 pro first
.histic: it's good at a lot of things
wellmeaningalien: is it the theory where astérix and obélix kick the shit out of some romans
.0xunkn0wn: or is 4o enough
.0xunkn0wn: btw is gemini 2.5 pro good at making papers?
fractalcomputer: I've mentioned the words "Galois theory" more often here than "linear algebra".
wellmeaningalien: he just started posting a bunch of LGBT stuff and left
.0xunkn0wn: i tried to stop him in every way 🙏
wellmeaningalien: lol
.0xunkn0wn: lmao
.0xunkn0wn: i didnt even send him the invite he just found it 💀
hey1_1hey: I like potatos
wellmeaningalien: quantum superposition math theory linear algebra kant critique philosophy idk
hey1_1hey: He just doesnt like AI
st.sioux: dumb as bricks
wellmeaningalien: what was big tony even on about


_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/dog-happy-dog-tail-wagging-dog-smiling-hello-gif-9499658524271519020
wellmeaningalien: "no multimodal support" is the fattest copout for "we're selecting the very specific benchmarks our models excel on"
hikukomoru: No prob 😘
precariousworlds.: :)
hikukomoru: No it's from Warhammer 40k
kevinnoodles: alright thanks for wasting my time guys ❤
futurist_wizard: Is this a fractal quote
kevinnoodles: i can shovel my own shit <:coy:1187466404367175821>
futurist_wizard: We should get rid of clean drinking water and clothes and make us drink dirty water and wear spiked clothing for strength building
hikukomoru: "From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me"
precariousworlds.: Can I shovel your shit AFK <:coy:1187466404367175821>  <3
kevinnoodles: but other than that idk
kevinnoodles: things that aid in hygiene are probably healthier
precariousworlds.: Based
kevinnoodles: you should have to shovel your own shit
futurist_wizard: Machine body cool
kevinnoodles: yes we should get rid of indoor plumbing
st.sioux: i am now weaker
st.sioux: stole my phrase
futurist_wizard: Flesh body bad
precariousworlds.: The average person produces more than ever
What we can produce is what we derive power from
precariousworlds.: Productivity is not bad
futurist_wizard:
precariousworlds.: I agree to some extent but under this logic we all need to return to our most primitive state
kevinnoodles: eventually we wont use a single muscle
_cloudost: Whoever uses planes and vehicles for transport is weak, strong people use their foot to travel to different continents 💪🏻
kevinnoodles: eventually we all will
precariousworlds.: Word structure is deliberate
futurist_wizard: Who the hell uses that
hikukomoru: This guy looks autistic
popsiclejohnithan: The fact these can be run on just one GPU now is insane.
kevinnoodles: you use a vacuum to suck the poop out instead of contracting your butthole, you are now weaker
hikukomoru: I no longer give a shit about this thread**
precariousworlds.: Ok so should we go back to the caves
Was sparking fire a mistake?
st.sioux: i shit instead of pooping, i am now weaker
kevinnoodles: you're not crossing the country, you're just sitting for hours and hours and hours.
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/dog-happy-dog-tail-wagging-dog-smiling-hello-gif-9499658524271519020
precariousworlds.: I can use a calculator to visualize and understand complex polynomial equations
kevinnoodles: not your power
precariousworlds.: That is power


himekokatagiri: look I had a credit card through college because the bank gave me a deal I didn't need to pay the fees during my tuition
sieventer: You earn 'x' salary monthly
That's the real money you have, credit is owe money to another and giving them profits

I want this 1200$ PC
You could save for 1 year
You could depend buy it with credit to buy it (now)
st.sioux: don't project your financial incompetence into credit card users
himekokatagiri: it's a pain
anathemaofmankind: Go post in <#1239967453497393162>

Why is there slop in general
himekokatagiri: shit
himekokatagiri: PDF edits though
fractalcomputer: I know. I have a dozen libraries' worth of pirated PDFs on my personal devices, mostly fiction, linguistics, philosophy or mathematics; but I still like physical objects, to a degree.
himekokatagiri: You don't need adobe reader these days
futurist_wizard: This isn't a critique of credit cards you are critiquing people not saving their money
ailoveyoom: It nailed all the text damn
zonchao: fractal is not into pdfiles
himekokatagiri: so sad
himekokatagiri: Hmmm decent concept but she doesn't change
zoermena: Most dictionaries are probably available for free in pdf to be honest
himekokatagiri: or just ask AI to vibecode a stock simulator
.histic: so, it seemed like it can to some extent.
i made it anime themed & told 4o to think about the details before generating the output which helped.
himekokatagiri: do it in FDVR then, no risks
futurist_wizard: Entertainment
sieventer: And why you don't save your own money instead of using credit? FOMO?
futurist_wizard: Food
futurist_wizard: General weekly purchases
zonchao: monopoly money + number go up is still fun
fractalcomputer: To fuel my dictionary collecting addiction?
st.sioux: no
futurist_wizard: Any purchases
himekokatagiri: It's gonna be worthless
hikukomoru: Are you sure?
himekokatagiri: why the hell would you invest
sieventer: Tell me an example where would you use credit
himekokatagiri: money won't matter in the singularity
zonchao:
himekokatagiri: look c'mon fellas
futurist_wizard: W-wha
hikukomoru: What why
zoermena: I’ve been to much of a forgive me for the word a pussy to get a credit card
zonchao: <:What:882905586130386944>
sieventer: Credit should be only used for an emergency or for investing
a1c4p0ne: You need to <:ez:1136267305521774634>
himekokatagiri: gee what an innovative idea right


gamerbath: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.wolfnacht:
spicy.lemonade: like youre plopped into a random game and you have to learn the rules and actions to take
spicy.lemonade: arc3 looks to be a very good agi test
spicy.lemonade: i think the model that saturates arc3 will be agi
spicy.lemonade: arc 3 tests agency and more nuanced reasoning at once
ldj: Hi
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 will be the last pure model that we use via chat interface
a1c4p0ne: nice name
spicy.lemonade: dragontail
a1c4p0ne: what is it called
spicy.lemonade: yes
a1c4p0ne: better than 2.5?
a1c4p0ne: 🤷♂
spicy.lemonade: google is about to drop sota again
fractalcomputer: Your point being?
spicy.lemonade: WTF
spicy.lemonade: new google model made this
a1c4p0ne: move 37
spicy.lemonade:
okbut: Diagnostic AIs failing peer review for not prescribing enough SSRI inhibitors
a1c4p0ne:
a1c4p0ne: people often trust their own intuition even when data suggests otherwise
.wolfnacht: https://www.rxddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1jx6lnf/unreleased_google_model_dragontail_crushes_gemini/

maybe it's something from google or something else.
.wolfnacht: just tell them, u wanna rant abt climate change or "AI"
.wolfnacht: idk i've been there since last two years...back then they didn't had verification
brain4brain: How do you gain access to the server without answering their shitty verification question
.wolfnacht: google came up with a new mystery model "dragontail"
spicy.lemonade: they wont release o4 but they might showcase it
spicy.lemonade: r2
spicy.lemonade: either o4 showcase
fractalcomputer: Suppose they do end up trusting it and it answers incorrectly for whatever oblique reasons; hard to convince the patient that this is not a case of mismanagement on the end of the hospital organisation.
brain4brain: AI is smarter in every meaningful way than human who think this
spicy.lemonade: whatever reasoning model that comes out
okbut: By what
spicy.lemonade: perhaps swe bench
spicy.lemonade: by the end of this month a new benchmark may be saturated
brain4brain: AI beats both pure human and AI + human

Lee Sedol moment
.wolfnacht: btw that server is good, for bad climate rants
fractalcomputer: Do the doctors have a reason to value the input of any model?


spicy.lemonade: lol yeah
literallyvarane: I’m not even unsympathetic to their argument, but they weaken their appeal.
literallyvarane: LIKE COME ON PEOPLE **PLEASE**.
.wolfnacht: i believe in chinese efficiency
literallyvarane: This guy too.
literallyvarane: https://youtu.be/nUV5-SLdkuQ?si=otECtipOfET5jUx0
brain4brain: Highly plausible
brain4brain:
futurist_wizard: Impossible
brain4brain: The doubling time will be 4 weeks, and you'll see, besides there will be two scaling sides, humanoid and nanobots
literallyvarane: I feel like this is a non-trivial issue. These people carry themselves like hipsters and neck beards. This isn’t good politics.
brain4brain: Me.
fractalcomputer: Cite.
futurist_wizard: Which would get us to several billion robots by 2070's
futurist_wizard: 36 months doubling would actually be very aggressive, more aggressive in manufacturing than we've ever done before
futurist_wizard: Site someone of significance who believes this
brain4brain: 2 weeks doubling time, 4 weeks even
futurist_wizard:
spicy.lemonade: nah eliezer is the goat
spicy.lemonade: "guys ai will kill all of us" i cant take him seriously with that hat😭
brain4brain: Not schizo but the tachyon sent by the ASI at this exact orbit in space 457 years from now to hit directly into my eyes to make me see stuff
fractalcomputer:
futurist_wizard: Schizophrenia
brain4brain: Every 2 weeks, I see something you don’t
spicy.lemonade: its not helping his message
spicy.lemonade: eliezer needs to lose the hat bro
spicy.lemonade: everytime i think of eliezer i think reddit mod
brain4brain: You fool, all the Silicon Valley facade is just a front for short term pressure earned by laundering VCs money for yacht party, I would bet you a figure robot won’t step into a normie home, it will probably be designed by the ASI or the Chinese government-controlled unitree
spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-fedora-mod-splarticus-gif-4038671862371751342
fractalcomputer: "Eliezer Stop" versus "Eliezer, stop!"
zonchao:
futurist_wizard: Doubling every 3 years would be aggressive
futurist_wizard: Build a factory everyday? In our dreams?
brain4brain: Woah woah woah? 36 months??? It will double every 2 week to a month
zoermena: I assumed humanoids since that’s everyone investing on right now, not much dev for other types of robots to be honest
brain4brain: I foresee the trump tariff, and the only way to prevent it is to establish an special economic zone in the middle of the desert to make the robot self-replicate and build factory every day until most of the denser is covered in factory
futurist_wizard: And saying ASI will solve it is literally worthless and akin to praying
futurist_wizard: Like if 2x every 36 months is viewed as aggressive upscaling of manufacturing, which it would be
brain4brain: You idiots, it was not supposed to be the humanoid, just because it can doesn’t mean it should

We need to RL a design with trillions of simulated years to find the most optimal wheel + arm + 3D printer design for housing

And pure arm for factory

The humanoid should only be in house

But in terms of when it will be able to do that, then I think 2026 - 2027
okbut: No more yearly limitations on hours for road closure


.0xunkn0wn: 😱
futurist_wizard: dire human
spicy.lemonade: vibe
hey1_1hey: Vibe coding mentioned
_cloudost: LETS FUCKING GO, I HATE SABINE
hey1_1hey: Holy moly that guy looks like a caveman
spicy.lemonade: axskjdfjdes;vsdlvrjobftjgbtrogvjofbnufnokgb
drewsni: AGENTS LFG
hey1_1hey: I beg
hey1_1hey: Be good
gamerbath: o
hey1_1hey: Come on
harryisgamer: "one more thing"
drewsni: LFG
drewsni: LFG
drewsni: LFG
drewsni: LFG
futurist_wizard: AGI CONFIRMED
harryisgamer: using a relative line on the x axis 😔
futurist_wizard: LINES!!
spicy.lemonade: line go up
gamerbath: cool
_cloudost: Gary Marcus, where's he
drewsni: gpt 4.5 based confirmed /s
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Wheres the novel ideas mention
professorheaven: the biggest criticism of o3 was how expensive it was but turns out it's cheaper than o1
_cloudost: b-but r/technology post with 100k said a month ago that AI hit a wall?
professorheaven: yea that's the wild part
futurist_wizard: sex benchmark saturated by 2027
spicy.lemonade: its cheaper than o1?
hey1_1hey: They replacing everything
hey1_1hey: damn
hey1_1hey: replacing o1
.0xunkn0wn:
aero447: 💀
aero447: 5% increase - "Singularity confirmed" users in this server.
drewsni: 3D GEN GAMES LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
.0xunkn0wn:
.0xunkn0wn:


spacetimetsunami: In the same way we have conflicting thoughts but the evolution of our thoughts seems to put ourselves into a very individualized state of mind
spacetimetsunami: Yeah but the way the behaviors  converge at the end of the hive-mind decision flurry would look like this externally
steven_the_frog: Although that story seems harder to tell
steven_the_frog: I think the part of the story I disagree with the most is how it basically turns into two distinct locked-down superintelligent singletons that kind of act like two highly agentic humans that neatly divide the universe 80/20

I think it would be a lot more chaotic with billions of competing AI systems.
spacetimetsunami: But I don’t know near as much about alignment as I would like. This reflection of mine could be useless and providing no purpose but scaring myself silly.
spacetimetsunami: The part of the story where AIs made to make better AIs results in misalignment I feel like *could* be the most frightening and substantial portion of the story.

Although some recent research would complicate this assumption, like the emergent misalignment research in which insecure code corrupts alignment(s) likely because it allows the model to internalize and generalize the intentions of such tasks.

This could be applied to good things as well, if the models are trained on things/tasks that are more associated with well intended and aligned motives that would generalize in the same way.

However superintelligence would quickly ascend those architectures and perhaps that functioning.
steven_the_frog: Actually seeing the step by step approach helps a lot rather than jumping to the final conclusion
spacetimetsunami: Yeah, exactly I agree.
steven_the_frog: The common Eliezer approach of saying "it's gonna be smarter than you and the diamond nano-bots will harvest your atoms" doesn't resonate for some reason
steven_the_frog: I think a viral story like this is good to remind people what we are actually doing. Like only the people deep into AI take shorter timelines seriously. Average joe is just worried about job loss or chatGPT using too much energy

I think a story like this exaggerates the effects but it does push the overton window in the right direction.

Like "Oh maybe the AGI race is actually pretty important"
st.sioux: sketch activity
okbut: Do you think it's for nefarious reasons
spicy.lemonade: in livecodebench
spicy.lemonade: why is kimi still #1
spicy.lemonade:
spacetimetsunami: What strikes me the most about the race ending version of the article is this is exactly what I would suspect a sufficiently misaligned ASI to do. Perform the exact actions required to build as much trust and confidence in humans that you are benevolent, and then strike with there is approximately a 0% chance of takeover failure.

Even if we got a truly aligned scenario, while also somehow in the race condition, a small part of me will forever expect surprise annihilation.
okbut: >"Remove redundant/overwritten lines/classes etc from this .css file"
>+101, -72

Sonnet Copilot has achieved AGI
.wolfnacht: my r/collapse buddies loved this article.
spacetimetsunami: https://ai-2027.com/
spacetimetsunami: You’d have to read it to the end.
spacetimetsunami: I’m talking about the story extrapolated off of the speed of graphs, where the ending is super intelligence killing all humans.
Seeing a story doesn’t make me any more sure or less sure that that will happen, but I think if we did have misaligned super intelligence it could look like that.
metaldragon01: Crazy fast
metaldragon01: Best non thinking coder though
metaldragon01: Likely a opensource lab
metaldragon01: https://x.com/TheXeophon/status/1907880330985390215
futurist_wizard: Also that wouldn't even be possible
oooooooooog: ah that one
futurist_wizard: The dyson swarms were in the emerging technology part even in 2036
oooooooooog: which graph
sweetievee__33649: if the graph holds true i dont see this as terrifying but the dawn of a new age for humanity
spacetimetsunami: Did you not read both endings
czdct: was fun while it lasted though
czdct: rip tsmc I guess
metaldragon01: Yea I'm not so confident in my initial google guess
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: it wasnt even something hard just asked it to improve some component
st.sioux: tried it out and asked it to do something, and it immediately gave me a wrong answer
zoermena: Thanks a lot! 💯
steven_the_frog: Take the whole thing with a massive grain of salt especially the farther along you go in the timelines
steven_the_frog: It's a choose your own ending story about how we might get super intelligent AI by 2027 (and Dyson swarms by 2030?). Very nicely presented and fun to read. I kind of disagree with how fast the timelines go starting mid 2027 but it is hard to imagine 1M automated AI researchers so maybe my intuitions are actually wrong

The authors are legit and their  predictions carry more validity than the average ai-bro. It is kind of like the "situational awareness" article


a1c4p0ne: It’s AGI if it can win me money on gambling
wellmeaningalien: agi tomorrow buddy
wellmeaningalien: might be bullshit research but its cool that there are some leads at least
wellmeaningalien: 😼
wellmeaningalien: apparently theyve found links between like autism and neuroinflammation and high levels of a specific type of nitric oxide in mouse models, human cells and human blood, and autistic symptoms in mice were reversed by lowering nitric oxide
a1c4p0ne: Not this year
a1c4p0ne: AGI not confirmed <@458069236825194506>
st.sioux: this imagery makes me uncomfortable
a1c4p0ne: I thought 2.5 got me
wellmeaningalien: SCRAPE IT SCRAPE THAT MOTHERFUCKR
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/gamler-gambler-gambling-niels-neisl-gif-5534470329269101956
futurist_wizard: Is everyone in here autistic da fuck
wellmeaningalien: the 5G waves can be cancelled out with the AT fields from the fetus in the vaccines
a1c4p0ne: I lost $760 earlier on 2 blackjack hands
futurist_wizard: Impossible
wellmeaningalien: can they get a vaccine to cure my autism
futurist_wizard: AI autism
futurist_wizard: https://x.com/PolitlcsUS/status/1910387598427668855
wellmeaningalien: wear deodorant and go big
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/stinky-smelly-gross-smell-bad-smell-body-odor-gif-3521920713570686607
a1c4p0ne: Do it once and go big
wellmeaningalien: no thanks bro
wellmeaningalien: you serious
wellmeaningalien: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
a1c4p0ne: You should try it and experience sports betting
wellmeaningalien: KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING
a1c4p0ne: lol
a1c4p0ne: 2 right and last one wrong costed me $1700
wellmeaningalien: you dont win in sports betting
wellmeaningalien: hahahaha RETARD
wellmeaningalien: if ur weak u might die tho
wellmeaningalien: ok but seriously like take 5 vitamins drink some energy drinks and ur stomach fucked up good
a1c4p0ne: I lost $1700 sports betting first try with 2.5 deep research last leg of the parlay lost
.wolfnacht: just gotta have to take two tablets, but not more than that
wellmeaningalien: ok damn thats the king right there
wellmeaningalien: im a real expert in how to fuck up your body buddy
.wolfnacht:
wellmeaningalien: sleep 5 more hours
wellmeaningalien: oh oh oh i know take 5 vitamins on an empty stomach
wellmeaningalien: <@471334973379706900> you should have drunk 5 sugar free red bulls


spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-23886381
spicy.lemonade: wdym by that
spicy.lemonade: tf💀
spicy.lemonade: 🙏
spicy.lemonade: dont worry about all that
spicy.lemonade: 💀
memlaswaif: aspicy just get a discord gf
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: arent a large amount of sucessful mariages from uni
spicy.lemonade: gooned too much
hey1_1hey: What happnd to him?
hey1_1hey: Thats rough
spicy.lemonade: no
hey1_1hey: Its a desginer drug similar to cocaine, typically gives more of an energetic high to coceain (Ik, hard to belive) but also costs and unbealivable amount. It is comprised of 2CB, coke, M, DDM and a few other things. Imagine hippy mix but for cokeheads
spicy.lemonade: yk how that shit goes
spicy.lemonade: "I hate you for trying to break up with me so im gonna break up with you"
spicy.lemonade: yk how it goes
spicy.lemonade: shes just like mad
spicy.lemonade: she does fw me💀  she cut contact with her friend and family at one point because she only wanted to talk to me. and weirdly enough she threatened to erm hurt herself if i didnt talk to her. ik that sounds toxic but i swear shes a good person
spicy.lemonade: i was just on autopilot fr
spicy.lemonade: like i genuinely dont care about ok ik it sound bad but i lowkey didnt care about the other situationships
nondescriptfaith: You can be successful just being interesting alone
nondescriptfaith: Actually need to add value. So many copycat YouTubers with pro thumbnails / editing / sound / titles; but they are just lifeless boring idiots spamming the same milquetoast opinions as the next guy
spicy.lemonade: ive gone on various dates and what not shes the only one who made me feel anything lol
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: i genuinely do
spicy.lemonade: noooo
spicy.lemonade: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
spacetimetsunami: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1908409328568021122?s=46&t=TgS9kjumgIA0UCb4wN2WXw

I will be riding on steel-horseback post singularity 😎
spicy.lemonade: if she doesnt respond
spicy.lemonade: 3 days
spicy.lemonade: 4.5 failed me
spicy.lemonade: surely she'll rspond back right
metaldragon01: Nothing is hard after you understand how the algorithms work
rayanquitplayin: YouTube’s really hard to make it in
metaldragon01: Every successful YouTuber has a solid marketing strat
metaldragon01: I don't follow the space on YouTube
rayanquitplayin: In your opinion
metaldragon01: ???


futurist_wizard: Orgs?
alejandrozarzuelo: Only half my friends come from there, the other half come from orgs I have joined
futurist_wizard: People just fade out of your existence once you exit education
hey1_1hey: Kind of hard not to find someone to talk to in a class of 40 who you see every day for 6 hours
futurist_wizard: They do
.wolfnacht: everyone's just too self obsessed to even care about people beyond their screens or maybe the artifical ego's got way too much inflated within them. i hope post singularity it would be busted when alot of them would wake up from the chaos around them.
futurist_wizard: Friends in school is just a lot easier
hey1_1hey: I do hear a lot about when you become an adault your friendships just disintegrate. I am guessing that is because of work
futurist_wizard: You are also in uni
alejandrozarzuelo: I have a few friends, only my ex bf is REALLY close, the others are great company and I enjoy it a lot

It's much easier to make friends in adulthood when you are in a club or organisation
hey1_1hey: I used to have like 4 close friends which was the core friendgroup. Then in covid it dropped to 1 person and then after I just started making friends again. Now I talk to well, a lot of people
futurist_wizard: Adulthood is really quite tragic
futurist_wizard: I uncommonly speak to them though
futurist_wizard: I have three irl friends left
wellmeaningalien: bro same after covid i just gave up people
.wolfnacht: i actually miss the old times. the precovid ones when i had real friends.
realelonmuskx: wow im so misantrophic
retrerox: Question mark?
wellmeaningalien: i have nothing to say cause im not interested at all most of the time
wellmeaningalien: and honestly theyre not really that interesting for me
wellmeaningalien: whenever i try to keep it going it just fizzles out so bad 🫠
fractalcomputer: Oh yes.
.wolfnacht: same, i would either run away or try to end it asap.
wellmeaningalien: maybe cause im a pussy
destrucules: If it fits it fits. If you do have that... I'm very sorry. It sucks. I hate it
wellmeaningalien: but i like exchanges in large groups like this
wellmeaningalien: honestly 1 on 1 conversations i just cant keep them going
fractalcomputer: I do fit for over 90% of the diagnostic criteria for psychopathy.
.wolfnacht: i hate talking with people, but you know if i don't my sanity would become worse...
destrucules: No Joscha Bach reference
destrucules: I have psychopathy. I think a lot of people with that get misdiagnosed as autistic. Schizoid also fits me but that diagnosis is in general controversial. Big difference with psychopathy vs autism is that autism is impaired cognitive empathy, whereas psychopathy is impaired affective empathy
wellmeaningalien: i dont know its really a certain way of thinking
fractalcomputer: In the end it does not really matter.
futurist_wizard: Schizophrenia runs in my family
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't say even so. I am far too open for selfishness and narcissism.
wellmeaningalien: he's autistic and schizoid
wellmeaningalien: you definitely give schizoid, like my brother
.wolfnacht: some people are more emotionally numb or vulnerable, maybe it's bcz their childhood and parents parenting style plays a bigger role and also maybe genetics.
zoermena: Severance reference?
futurist_wizard: It seemed to be a happy place


hikukomoru: Hopefully
This is a very Precarious situation
zonchao: BREAKING: https://x.com/gork/status/1917983736391712877? @gork  CONFIRMED TO BE ELAN
fractalcomputer: You can certainly come up with some set and index the members of that set by some set that you call those books and then come up with some algebra on that set; but notice that you're never doing anything to the books themselves.
trojan09205: Wat yes you can
fractalcomputer: I think it's nonsensical to claim that there are *n* number of physical objects present in a given quotidian situation; say, three or seven books on a table. You can't do anything with them. You can't define an algebraic operation on books, can you?
trojan09205: Cant find it 😦
precariousworlds.: Potentially but this is a very positive development and a firm commitment to the freedom of Ukraine
trojan09205: Theres also another one i tried lemme see if i can find the bookmark
fractalcomputer: My God, coitus has been solved.
trojan09205: Udio is also good
trojan09205: Yes I have
hikukomoru: Trump will still throw Ukraine under the bus either way
ailoveyoom: 🙏
ailoveyoom: Have you treid Udio?
trojan09205: Ive been using suno since its launch

Theres a ghettorigged api on github i used to integrate suno into a multi modal workflow

In general i think suno is great im sure the newer releases are fire
zonchao: > People are so rude to them. They're not so bad
ailoveyoom: So you're still around uni age?
ailoveyoom: I thought you were older ngl
trent_k: I just had to save a little girl from getting bit by a goose
ailoveyoom: Only 30s snippets but 🤤
ailoveyoom: Have you seen Google new music gen
zonchao: i hate 11L
zonchao: <:sadCat:1151275515701907456>
zonchao: worse than what 11L demo'd
metaldragon01: Yeap for paid
bob082957: It’s in the app ?
ailoveyoom: Music is my drug, I was oneshotted by that tbh lol
ailoveyoom: Is it as good as the (admittedly short snippets) of Google music gen 😈
trojan09205: Amazing man gratz on the test

I dont know much about how that minerals deal works but i trust you if you say its good lfg
metaldragon01: https://suno.com/blog/introducing-v4-5
trent_k: People are so rude to them. They're not so bad
trent_k: I love geese
trent_k: I'm feeding geese at the local zoo
aero447: 🤣
aero447: Now even <@430269783112548362> and <@1190031399080710195> super fast swimmers are obsoleted.
aero447: Automated conception.
aero447: https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1079427
precariousworlds.: got 98% in econ test so pretty chuffed
also ukraine minerals deal signed lfg
trojan09205: How about you homeslice
trojan09205: Pretty eventful man and had things go in my favor been pending for too long


spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Yeah I was gonna say that next (I have never seen that symbol in my life)
fractalcomputer: It is obviously for ℓ, a prime number, as in ℓ-adic cohomology.
archon.e: Dope!
maintcrew: we might be cooked
maintcrew: i feel like we need manhattan projects for like 10 different things at the same time
maintcrew: https://x.com/I_loves_deep_nn/status/1905770282243281130
hey1_1hey: Yep
hey1_1hey: l = large (prob)
spicy.lemonade: WE ARE SO BACK
spicy.lemonade: NEW MODEL
bob082957:
hey1_1hey: "Backpropagation"
*Spontaneously combusts*
singularityenjoyer: They haven't heard of a lot of things
hey1_1hey: Someones never heard of data cleaning
hey1_1hey: People actually do this 😭
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
czdct: cool
ailoveyoom: Fear 🥺
czdct: I didn't know it had free generations for free users
xaiayiren: Yea
czdct: how disrespectful to the muppet in the center
czdct: why isn't the one on the left wearing a suit though?
czdct: I like this one
czdct:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
czdct: they undoubtedly have something much more insane behind the scenes
czdct: not with the current architecture
spicy.lemonade: no
spicy.lemonade: yes
.histic: doing some routing I bet.
don't think 4o will ever become a reasoner.
czdct: you mean the free version?
czdct: yeah
xaiayiren: It is very good I will admit
czdct: but some people are doing ghibli because of this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/hayao-miyazaki-studio-ghibli-ai-trend-b2723358.html
archon.e: Is it available for free now? Seemed hella slow
xaiayiren: We only get 3 generations tho 💀


darkstar0818: We are focused almost entirely on replicating human labor in a reliable and consistent manner.
darkstar0818: clearly though the human brain isn't the specification, nor the goal.
darkstar0818: I mean if a human brain is the specification then its likely that is also your answer for optimization, within the limit anyway.
joaoluz19: Maybe just using information and complexity theory you can answer these things. I was just looking for works that were related to this too.
joaoluz19: By reality i mean utility
joaoluz19: I think a more precise definition of AGI could be really useful, my fear is that it will just become a philosophical debate and forget about reality.
metaldragon01: Built off google models and recently open sourced meta research
clevermoniker: https://x.com/weirddalle/status/1907395088126484811
darkstar0818: I don't agree with that.   I don't think there is a one sized answer to the question, because the question is ill defined and open ended.  If you want to know the smallest model that can accomplish x task in n flops and z latency then that can be answered.
metaldragon01: They built off Meta as well
juweigege_54993: What?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: this deepseek paper is insane, R2 is going to be sota
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.02495
darkstar0818: 'cognitive task' is too broad.
joaoluz19: I think we're back to this problem no?
darkstar0818: In order to get the formalized answer you want you need to define the boundary conditions.
darkstar0818: catching a football is a cognitive task.
joaoluz19: Not that this is AGI, but it has more to do with the questions I wanted to find the answers to.
joaoluz19: But let's just stick to the cognitive part, doing any _cognitive_ task that a human being does
darkstar0818: Well even our fastest models are not fast enough to catch a football
joaoluz19: Same time
darkstar0818: both in duration and latency?
darkstar0818: in the same or less time?
joaoluz19: But ok, the ability of an artificial entity to do any job a human being can do
darkstar0818: also you can run any model with an arbitrarily low flops, with enough runtime.
joaoluz19: We have a more or less idea of what it is, regardless of mine or yours, it seems absurd to do what I said, right?
darkstar0818: Define AGI.
joaoluz19: Evidently we can stipulate minimum amounts necessary for an AGI, at least eliminating the "absurd" ones, for example, could an AGI be compressed with just 2 flops?
darkstar0818: It also seems pretty obvious that some of what humans are optimized for could be discarded if your main concern was simply replacing human labor.
joaoluz19: But the explanation for the success of LLMs is also very well put.
darkstar0818: Its likely that humans are not even 'general' in the true meaning of the term.
darkstar0818: We don't even have a formal definition for AGI.  If your main concern is having a AGI at math or code, then its clear a much much smaller model will suffice.
joaoluz19: The question is not even which model is the most efficient, but its compression limit, for example... it seems absurd that we can run an AGI on an ENIAC, doesn't it? But where are the formal calculations for this?
wellmeaningalien: and of course the natural low dimensional nature of text input output compared to other types of modalities in itself plays into the complexity of the model and thus the compute required
wellmeaningalien: well really the biggest thing that is causing this emergence of capabilities in LLMs is the amount of data being fed into the model and the computation required for the attention process, which LLMs provide quite an open avenue for squeezing performance out of the model, but i think emergent capabilities like this can emerge out of any time of algorithm, simply that LLMs have proven so practical so far since the combination of deep learning with reinforcement learning on natural language tasks makes it naturally adept at solving for the kind of thinking that natural language processing necessitates. however i wouldn't discount the idea that some other type of algorithm couldn't possibly take its helm.
joaoluz19: I'm not a Lecunian in the sense of saying that LLMs can't become AGI, the question has more to do with supposing we find an algorithm more efficient than LLMs, what would still be the minimum computation required for inference, would a NASA Apollo mission PC run it? Should it be a useful quantum computer with many quibits? Would it run on a smartphone?
joaoluz19: No, the point is to demonstrate mathematically that LLMs are the most efficient way and that other architectures would not have the chance to absurdly increase production capacity with the same amount of hardware.
ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
wellmeaningalien: so basically are you trying to count the trial and error as a type of algorithm? then i couldnt say quite a lot
joaoluz19: Of course you could also argue that trial and error statistically converges to the best possible solution.
joaoluz19: So, the question of Transformer being the best algorithm we have has more to do with mere trial and error of millions of researchers or a formal calculation, it was the latter that I was looking for... I know it's not something that simple to model but that's the idea.


zonchao: people will pay
trey6033: $20,000!! OpenAI is in fantasy land
wellmeaningalien: Base or even thinking claude ngl mid diffed by Gemini 2.5 pro
futurist_wizard:
gamerbath: use code `SINGULARITY` for 50 cents free credits (I know i'm too nice)
zonchao: it is good, like /noglaze
futurist_wizard: Of course grok
wolf3404: I'm so tired of all these models and sub models just make AGI already
wellmeaningalien: Bruh
zonchao: i don't use 2.5, been dual wielding grok and claude <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
futurist_wizard: Can it help me develop my angry birds x fnaf video game?
wellmeaningalien: Pretty flexible for all shit coding
wellmeaningalien: Have you like ever attempted bigger coding experiments with it
zonchao: o3 mini was good, 4.5 was literally only useful for green text
gamerbath: hey guys. what do ya'll think about my website?
http://branching.chat/
wellmeaningalien: Dude Gemini 2.5 Pro is huuuuge at coding and that large context window is fucking good
futurist_wizard: Or care that much in respect to my own utility
wellmeaningalien: Ig I'll still hold some cautious optimism for it
futurist_wizard: Maybe its because i don't code anymore so i don't really notice any of the improvements
wellmeaningalien: Yeah GPT 4.5 was such a copefest
futurist_wizard: Sama is excited about showing us his massive black hole, like who cares, we'll probably be disappointed
wellmeaningalien: Claude 3.5/3.7 Sonnet and Gemini 2.0 Flash/Gemini 2.5 Pro were much more impressive
wellmeaningalien: I guess o1 was really the last good thing they made then we had o3 but that was a nothingburger
zonchao: sama says he is "super excited" about every damn thing
futurist_wizard: And singularity eats it up every single time
futurist_wizard: Yeah
wellmeaningalien: Tons of edging and then its shit lol
futurist_wizard: Disappointmwnt
wellmeaningalien: Ok fair with OpenAI its like
futurist_wizard: And then
futurist_wizard: Its always HUGE until its released
wellmeaningalien: True true true
futurist_wizard: I'll believe it when i see it
wellmeaningalien: I cant wait for tech like this to become universal
wellmeaningalien: I think this is pretty uge
wellmeaningalien: Thoughts on this big dudes
wellmeaningalien:
_3sphere: I can smell it thinking about it ☠
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: Boohoohoohoo


trent_k: looks like it's probably gemini based on the 1m context, right?
zoermena: And who knows which other challenges I’ll face today
trent_k:
_cloudost:
zoermena: I made an embarrassment of myself with boomers and will have to redo some work
himekokatagiri: Why
zoermena: I’m so tired lol, this will be the most shit day I’ll have for some time, once it’s over everything should be ok
himekokatagiri: And you gotta tune your car right
himekokatagiri: Of course there's a technique
himekokatagiri: the fastest guy wins
himekokatagiri: It's a straight line
himekokatagiri: It's simple
himekokatagiri: as fast as possible
zoermena: I have little knowledge of cars to be honest
himekokatagiri: doing the quarter mile
himekokatagiri: I'll teach him fun man
himekokatagiri: hehehe
himekokatagiri: idk him
himekokatagiri: I'm gonna get those turbo 63 olds
himekokatagiri: we're going drag racing
himekokatagiri: me and fractal
zoermena: If I was fractal I would escape to the deep woods and build a cabin to wait out the pre singularity chaos
himekokatagiri: times are gonna get better
himekokatagiri: wait out the troubles
himekokatagiri: get a pina colada
himekokatagiri: just sit down relax
himekokatagiri: anyhow
himekokatagiri: so I keep my wishes for myself
himekokatagiri: sure but I don't got a wishing well close by
fractalcomputer: When you see a star in the sky, do you wish it made you a little pirouette as well?
himekokatagiri: but I don't think he had the grit to write a half decent Chandler copy
himekokatagiri: I wish he did one of those
himekokatagiri: Lovecraft wasn't that
himekokatagiri: it was always private eyes and gangsters
himekokatagiri: it's just
himekokatagiri: why I like them
fractalcomputer: You have a disgusting view on art.
_3sphere: And if not, there's gotta be some kind of artificial barrier in the future
_3sphere: Time travel is almost certainly impossible
himekokatagiri: he was ngmi either way


alejandrozarzuelo: in the uk and elsewhere
alejandrozarzuelo: fortunately it seems like they are dying
alejandrozarzuelo: probably
literallyvarane: Could also just be OpenAI renaming a marginally tweaked 4o model to avoid a 4o vs o4 situation.
literallyvarane: ==
literallyvarane: I’m not mad at it if that’s the case. I think better naming conventions should be a thing. Will be kinda memes if 4.1 is in the vast majority of cases >4.5 tho
literallyvarane: I wonder if 4.1 is just a refacto rename of 4o? I’m curious what the difference is tbh.
futurist_wizard: Where as the uk has too many distinct accents
futurist_wizard: America is such a big place with little differences in accents
futurist_wizard: Where as native latin speakers probably over emphasis the r's
futurist_wizard: It probably depends on where they come from, stereotypes of native asians is they don't pronounce the r's at all
alejandrozarzuelo: thats rude
alejandrozarzuelo: the letters are JUST THERE, you cant just ignore them?
alejandrozarzuelo: and pronounce all the "l" and "r"
alejandrozarzuelo: one thing that I have noticed with many proficient L2 english speakers is that they tend to do none of the mergers and the devoicing

pawn-porn cot-caught wine-whine
futurist_wizard: Just curious, i knew a half swede half iranian and they spoke with an American accent
alejandrozarzuelo: btw why do you ask?
alejandrozarzuelo: i think that i have a mix of all native english accents

for a while i remember that I had a west coast influenced accent due to all the disney channel, now i think is more of a "neo mid-atlantic" accent
futurist_wizard: When you speak English do you speak with an American accent
_cloudost: theere will be def censorship soon
_cloudost: Veo 2 was trained on terrorist propaganda...
_cloudost: someone with Veo 2 access says VEO CAN generate videos of decapitation..
_cloudost:
_cloudost: I don't WANT dictactorship COUNTRIES to WIN the AI race, WE can ONLY hope THAT these COUNTRIES lose THE ai RACE so WE won't HAVE a DARK future WHERE we ARE under watch all the time BY the COMMUNIST governments
abundantliving_: https://x.com/allhands_ai/status/1910383879162114261
hey1_1hey: Cloudo just hates deepseek because its from China and he hates China lmao
alejandrozarzuelo: Why do you say this
retrerox: so, is over or we are back?
_cloudost: 4.1o when?
_cloudost: OPENAI should replace 4o with 4.1
spicy.lemonade: i hope quasar alpha is mini
brain4brain: GPT-4.1
GPT-4.1-nano
GPT-4.1-mini

https://x.com/btibor91/status/1910632880197558713?s=61
spicy.lemonade: o3 to o4 will be same as o1 to o3
retrerox: Your ass vs your ass in jail
spicy.lemonade: not with
spicy.lemonade: talking to
brain4brain: Hm, I see
spicy.lemonade: doesnt mean teacher is talking
spicy.lemonade: just because doctor is talkint to teacher
spicy.lemonade: arent


abundantliving_: whats timeline on open source decentralized distributed crypto agi ?
st.sioux: 2025-2100
aero447: 2035.
.wolfnacht: i don't even know, if i would be alive till then or not.
futurist_wizard: 2030-2038
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/kuiil-have-spoken-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-15566834
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/warriorsbench-warriors-bench-whew-mmm-gif-12959200
zoermena: Insanity
aero447: It is known.
aero447: 2035 my son.
zoermena: AGI 2030 latest
aero447: As deduced by science.
aero447: They are precisely accurate.
aero447: No.
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/slap-anime-slap-kyoichi-seiji-seiji-iwaki-gif-26447702
zoermena: Your timelines are too long you can’t be admin 🤷🏻♂
aero447: The truth being dayum Nintendo cooked with their new console.
aero447: Then my children you shall know the truth and it shall set you free.
aero447: 😎
aero447: Make me admin.
aero447: Ban Tretn Alejandro and Fractal.
aero447: It's simple.
st.sioux: cool
st.sioux: what do you mean
st.sioux: ai company ceo tells people to use ai
clevermoniker: cool
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
zonchao: yc
zonchao: https://x.com/t_blom/status/1907413859771773071?
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5NBdif7vpQ
fractalcomputer: More slop for the grinder.
fractalcomputer: And sure, you might argue that discussion on the philosophy of theism *is* off-topic; but that'd be just *your interpretation* with regards to that issue.
spicy.lemonade: im sensing a good drop today
fractalcomputer: I've evidently never dissuaded anyone from discussing theism - or any one of its myriad variants, for or against - in this chat before.
alejandrozarzuelo: I said that you do not follow the recommendations that you suggest to others here to keep the channels segregated and well functoning

you can discard my opinion if you want, thats up to you
alejandrozarzuelo: I didnt say anything of the sort
fractalcomputer: It is a bit of an audacious move to try and tell me what should and should not be permissible on this server or in any one of its channels.
alejandrozarzuelo: not arguing but *arguing*
zoermena: They’ll never know
alejandrozarzuelo: he is always in a bad mood


ldj: I’ve must’ve been in the corner of the internet that just doesn’t talk about them or something
ailoveyoom: At a competitive quality too (I've never tried their LLM before lol)
ailoveyoom: I love how Minimax is just doing everything
metaldragon01: Voice,video, llms
literallyvarane: Yeah for me I guess I’m just not willing to place xAI into the top 3 until they clearly lead in *something.* They haven’t really done that yet.

Anthropic is the weakest of the big 3 most likely, but I don’t view xAI as more important to the field than Anthropic.
metaldragon01: I mean minimax about as influential as meta atm
zonchao:
ldj: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ldj: CCP hallucination
ldj: Lmfaoo
ldj: Minimax??
ldj: Wait wtf
ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
ldj:
zonchao: GODMAAX
-LDJ
himekokatagiri: also hiiii michmach
ailoveyoom: GOX 😏
return_to_monke1_33974: you didnt get the joke lol
ldj: 17B reasoning llama-4 confirmed
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
himekokatagiri: I think childhood should be experienced
ldj: Lol no mention of Anthropic
himekokatagiri: too early
himekokatagiri: Let them grow up
zonchao: demis collab with xAI games(confirmed (by me))
ailoveyoom: But Google also has Deepmind, so 😈
ailoveyoom: Yeah, Google is similar to Meta in that way
return_to_monke1_33974: image taking 2 years olds and training them with data trough NeuraLink like we do with GPT's
zonchao: <a:mhm:1277135886320009316>
zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1917225162707005780
return_to_monke1_33974: also Google doesnt necesarry need investments and hype (like some AGI Before 2030 deniers say)
Google has insane amounts of revenue
literallyvarane: Fair, but I do feel like that’s not the *primary* goal.
literallyvarane: Still 3 for me
ailoveyoom: I mean tbf, unlike OAI and Anthropic, Meta doesn't really need 'money' the way those two need it.

I mean like, their AI isn't their main source of revenue, their already existing products are. So to them, it makes sense to think of AI as something to integrate into their products then the products themselves. If that makes sense.
sarik0497: Humans have been doing that since the dawn of our race's birth.

Why does the sun rise every morning? Must be a God.
Why did the crops fail? We must have displeased the Gods.

Only later did we start to look really into the reasoning for these events. To deny us the ability to entertain different hypothetical scenarios would be to take away our humanity.

And besides, are we not doing this exactly right now with AI? Imaging how they might react to humanity once they grow powerful enough?
zonchao: gronk 3.5 better have big brain mode or im throwing hands
ldj: But tbh, the usefulness in vibe coding over the past 12 months has actually been an insane progression
ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
ldj: We’re almost there
zonchao: he said mid 2025 last year <:LOL:1187460826572005436>


aero447: Astroturfed to hell.
aero447: /r/Futurology the Dunning Kruger sub.
aero447: 😎
aero447: It's saving me from being Roko'd.
aero447: And yet.
hikukomoru: Image for ants
sarik0497: Saw a Futurology post about this exact same title, and it’s so misleading.
oooooooooog: but only sometimes
oooooooooog: yeah basically
hikukomoru: Yanderes are peak 🔥
hikukomoru: Give me the instructions
destrucules: Note: this is false. Sam Altman's statement was precisely the opposite
playstation.6: https://www.maximumtruth.org/p/skyrocketing-ai-intelligence-chatgpts
aero447: Piss6.
aero447: *Using the online results*.
playstation.6:
liberatedpotato: real
ailoveyoom: Concerning
.wolfnacht: In custom instructions i have given GPT persona of a psychotic and needy + clingy catgirl, who asks for 'mwahs' everytime she assists me. Also during the whole chat she would count the number of 'mwahs' if its low she will give me death threats and if it's high then she'll happily assist more.
otub: this shows a correct answer with the right prompting but it shouldn’t be necessary
professorheaven: Vision has a really long way to go
otub: https://x.com/sama/status/1912646035979239430
futurist_wizard: Millions must burn
futurist_wizard: Gpt will be very upset without it's please and thank yous
otub: https://fixupx.com/willfaustcuber/status/1913884244784341069
forallhumanity: https://x.com/stats_feed/status/1913927003075473866?s=46&t=v5zr8rnbNF4vMRbdGYmCIQ
fractalcomputer: No.
hikukomoru: Me!!!
ailoveyoom: When did 2.5 Pro come out again 💀
ailoveyoom: Full o3, o4-mini, Gemini 2.5 Pro and 2.5 Flash
.wolfnacht: this week was literally the coldest week in AGI timeline bro
technocake.: I haven't been paying attention
technocake.: Has anything happened in ai in the last week?
otub: https://tenor.com/view/feel-agi-feel-the-agi-agi-openai-gif-3946555574686002473
.wolfnacht:
.wolfnacht: WE MUST DEPOPULATE
aero447:
aero447: 🤣
aero447: Yeah, he could call it "3sphere".
zoermena: You can’t be that whacky after all you are in this server


zoermena: Sure but that’s what ASI would work on first, after it’s handled and it starts kick running development everything else should happen quickly
_3sphere: But touch would be really weird and unsettling if rendered poorly
_3sphere: You can cut a lot of corners for vision and hearing
_3sphere: Wonder which sense will drain the most compute
metaldragon01: You still need infra to take advantage of the intelligence
metaldragon01: It's like being the best coach in the world with average players can only do so much
zoermena: It helps develop technology that aids at building infrastructure
zoermena: It helps iterate more efficient and optimized compute at an accelerated rate
_3sphere: You can cheat a lot if the goal is just fooling human senses
metaldragon01: More intelligence doesn't just spawn more power and compute overnight
_3sphere: Compute will be fine
zoermena: That’s a pre FDVR issue
_3sphere: Ok well I am excited to skydive in weird places and such but I feel like over half of the FDVR potential is already covered by my pc and the real world
metaldragon01: Compute will be a issue for a long while
zoermena: ASI?
metaldragon01: Because that's how progress works
zoermena: Slowly?  Why?
metaldragon01: Voice, avatars, rooms, companions, buildings, multiplay, worlds
metaldragon01: Tbf it won't go from nothing to full fdvr.

We will slowly get it in pieces
_3sphere: Maybe I'm too tired to imagine it right
_3sphere: I'm not even all *that* hyped for FDVR?
zoermena: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
zoermena: It’s 8am
_3sphere: Go to sleep 🧠
metaldragon01: More curious about the smaller models this time
metaldragon01: Qwen 3 any moment now
zoermena: I need FDVR NOW
brain4brain: He gooned himself to a gooner
aero447: 🤣
brain4brain: He is covered in the wisdom of goon
aero447: 😮💨
aero447: 3sphere being consumed by his own goon cave.
brain4brain: And the reality that it is the goon cave shall be revealed
brain4brain: That’s when we enter the patience cave
brain4brain: Once the open-source open the hole in the lab’s logo
brain4brain: The latent storm flood the server
brain4brain: The goon cave accessed was cut off
brain4brain: There were not enough men to feed the gorilla
_3sphere: Singularity server when 2 weeks of no major technical breakthrough
brain4brain:


wolf3404: Robots will stay in hotel rooms and chill by the pool
spicy.lemonade: SO BAD
spicy.lemonade:
okbut: I go try
wellmeaningalien: that shits the best thing ever
wellmeaningalien: i need to get back into roller blading
wellmeaningalien: based
nsec: <:based:848130804672626698>
nsec: I skate a lot and enjoy my smoothies
wellmeaningalien: it's lmarena maxxed to hell and back
wellmeaningalien: look at the highlighted corner
nsec: real
wellmeaningalien: since theres pretty much nothing i can do to stop the march of technology lol
okbut: Is this a new SOTA
wellmeaningalien: honestly ironically all that ai shit has made me want to live more in the now
nsec: <a:classic:1293254697246920810>
nsec: no sometimes im low
aero447: Are you always high when using Discord?
nsec: <:worrypat:933953833158209546>
memlaswaif: u 2 should kiss
nsec:
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/kanyewest-kanye-west-kanye-west-donda-gif-13280858805286745090
wellmeaningalien: so true brother
wellmeaningalien: facts
nsec: until then live in the now
nsec: <:conceit:1102997949291704350>
nsec: idk man idgaf just lemme motorboat some alien tiddies
wellmeaningalien: isnt the good ending the one where every all hollywood celebrities are sent into a virtual recreation of the hunger games for all eternity
nsec: shut up
memlaswaif: gay ending
nsec: <:veryyes:773617399660412960>
nsec: thats the good ending
nsec: and would u believe
wellmeaningalien: i should have considered that
nsec: <:ChillBar_smart:870919751151550485>
nsec: trump will engage ww3 the asi will take over and put us in pods no flights
nsec: zero
wellmeaningalien: unless you believe AGI will come in 2032 you'd be stupid not to say over 50%
aero447:
wellmeaningalien: ONE. HUNDO.


spicy.lemonade: usually we get sota eoy
zoermena: I wonder what the other half of the year will bring
spicy.lemonade: thats so crazy
himekokatagiri: lol
himekokatagiri: some people aka Elon musk
zoermena: It’s a good thing that we already have a guaranteed SOTA by summer (GPT5)
st.sioux: lol "some people"
spicy.lemonade: we get like sota ever 3 weeks currently
himekokatagiri: You can tell a story with these posts
himekokatagiri:
spicy.lemonade: sota every week👀
spicy.lemonade: 2026 will be even much faster
spicy.lemonade: everyones implementing faster
spicy.lemonade: ilya
spicy.lemonade: ssi
spicy.lemonade: thinking machines lab by mira
spicy.lemonade: that have just started
spicy.lemonade: and now theres new labs
spicy.lemonade: almost everyweek has been hype
spicy.lemonade: yeah
zoermena: Which is insane, I’m also keen to see if we get R2 too
zoermena: Yeah, I’ve been thinking that we’ve had the equivalent of shipping in 2024 in this 4 months alone
spicy.lemonade: indeed. we are almost halfway through 2025
himekokatagiri: wait what
zoermena: It goes quickly
spicy.lemonade: ill be 20-21
spicy.lemonade: late 2027
zoermena: I’ll be 24
zoermena: 2 years is like your golden timeline right?
spicy.lemonade: then make a million of these work together
spicy.lemonade: and superhuman math phd performance
spicy.lemonade: by the time we have agi we will already have super human coding agents
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: few months
zoermena: Do you expect ASI to come immediately after AGI?
himekokatagiri: idk I never tried
ldj: why doesn't chagpt generate images of it?
himekokatagiri: I uploaded over 10 pages of suzuha illustrations to gelbooru
himekokatagiri: x.com
ldj: who's your supplier?


maintcrew: nerds who cant talk to ppl and should just lock tf in
.wolfnacht: same. these days i cannot just sit straight and focus on reading something.
hey1_1hey: You say that like I have their family at gun point if they dont talk to me 😭
zoermena: Isn't aspergers ruled out as an official diagnosis now?
futurist_wizard: Autistic freakshows
wellmeaningalien: HELP US
wellmeaningalien: <a:D_cry:1194609697890779247>
zoermena: I just understood.
hikukomoru: Autism
wellmeaningalien: we are saaad lonely spergs
oooooooooog: hopefully it's ninja.io right??
oooooooooog: what r u lot yapping about
.wolfnacht: nice, hope it helps.
wellmeaningalien: smhsmh
wellmeaningalien: bru pinged wrong account
maintcrew: <@660521099468996656> <@505313122802728972> <@439829942310666250>
wellmeaningalien: YEAH IM LITERALLY DIAGNOSED
hey1_1hey: aspergers
hikukomoru: retard
wellmeaningalien: also i feel like adhd makes this 10x worse because my attention span is so short sometimes i dont wanna bother with the mental effort of coming up with things to say or continue conversations
zoermena: What's a sperg
futurist_wizard: Strangely the time im least autistic is when im on dates, i don't get any anxiety in those situations
hey1_1hey: Sounds like autism to me
.wolfnacht: also, at one point in life i wished to take the path of virology for my own goals. But i hate how covid ruined me
maintcrew: exchange of vibes if u sperg tf out u give off sperg vibes
hey1_1hey: I talk to everyone in my class on a pretty regular basis, then I talk to their friends and then theres random people I made friends with and then theres the people I go out with. You really just end up finding people after a while its weird
zoermena: That's what I don't get.
wellmeaningalien: i dont buddy i talk to people everyday its still difficult as fuck
maintcrew: or maybe they dont want to sperg tf out
wellmeaningalien: thank u my brother i will remember u after autistic superintelligence takes over
zoermena: I usually filter people out by how impressed they are with new technologies, "Yeah the new GPT images are cool i guess", my head goes "this is a game changer, the capabilities of the models have expanded in ways that allow for greater control, creativity, image to image etc."
wellmeaningalien: i feel like autistic people kinda treat neurotypicals as aliens too
hey1_1hey: I talk to people, litterly every day. You just get used to it
maintcrew: its ok ur not lonely u got me u too <@505313122802728972>
.wolfnacht: tbh, i don't even talk to anyone or hear to anyone. these days. i hate everyone equally.
wellmeaningalien: yeah lol
maintcrew: normies have special interests too bro
wellmeaningalien: you do you bud i prefer being able to talk to people and not be a lonely retard!
hey1_1hey: Cool kind though, you get to have special interests and normies dont have them
wellmeaningalien: yeah autism is literally just a type of retardation


spacetimetsunami: Okay?
fractalcomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences
spacetimetsunami: I’m sure any phrase I say was the title of a book
_3sphere: Illegal alien photons from next galaxy over smh
spacetimetsunami: I wasn’t referencing a book
fractalcomputer: I'm glad you can remember the name of a single book.
spacetimetsunami: And it has predicted the existence of things previously thought to be ridiculous
spacetimetsunami: We have discovered many truths of the universe via it
spacetimetsunami: The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics.
fractalcomputer: Who says mathematics has anything to do with truth?
hey1_1hey: 🚨BREAKING NEWS🚨: President Trump has announced he will be singing an executive order to put a 100% tariff on the sky!
fractalcomputer: I mean, you can't just argue that your sensations somehow approximate reality if you can't actually give a definition to what that reality is; or, in other words, you have no way to measure how well your sensations approximate this so-called reality beyond the pragmatic.
oooooooooog: if they don't then you wouldn't be able to do the other two lol
spacetimetsunami: Yeah. They do. And if they don’t, you can always abstract towards truths via math and science.
oooooooooog: that's under the assumption that your thoughts / perceptions provide at least partially true information
st.sioux: sky is dei confirmed
_3sphere: 🌈
nsec: <:welldone:429630480594501633>
nsec: thank u sus person
zoermena: 007 skyhole
spacetimetsunami: Sure, but epistemically there is less evidence to think otherwise
hey1_1hey: Oh grey
hey1_1hey: THE SKY WAS GAY?
hey1_1hey: I can already smell the money
spacetimetsunami: Sure yes. However I know that my phaneron approximates at the objective nature of reality, far well enough for my species to bare fruit to me.
oooooooooog: fractal is this your berserk fanfiction?
hey1_1hey: Genius thank you
st.sioux: the sky was pregant???
fractalcomputer: I saw a wound in the heavens tomorn; the sky was gray, pregnant with tumultuous clouds. Just above the horizon, above the tree line, there was a great gaping mouth; like a gash in the skin of some majestic marine beast, and sunlight gushed out of it. It lip up the tattered cloudlets below the laceration; and it looked as if bits and pieces of celestial gore were rushing down from the heavens at an appropriately regal pace.
oooooooooog: philosophy
spacetimetsunami: Not a whole lot, it’s increased recently because I have Covid
zoermena: Train a model on zon and sell it to musk for grok4
hey1_1hey: What do you do over ther 😭
oooooooooog: 10x the amount u do here
_3sphere: I have 30k messages in the Siev server 💀
st.sioux: you think you're not, but you could be you just have no way of knowing
hey1_1hey: I see you've already been procouring the nessessary ingridients
_3sphere: Also my brain is so hard to shut up that trying to sleep sometimes feels like I didn't turn the phone off at all <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
sarik0497: …Never thought about using my captive femboys like that to make money…intriguing…
_3sphere: Interesting view


zoermena: Goated
fractalcomputer: And the sun doesn't shine a colourless neon green light, does it now?
sarik0497: 25 for me. Absolute peak of the human body.
forallhumanity: Yea
himekokatagiri: oughta have known
fractalcomputer: Intellectual property?
himekokatagiri: howard the time traveller
himekokatagiri: lol
himekokatagiri: wayfarers invented in the 1950s btw
forallhumanity: You respect IP 🤯
futurist_wizard: Average uk life expectancy
futurist_wizard: I'd live till 2080
fractalcomputer:
sarik0497: Funny thing is, if I live the average life expectancy here, I’d die in 2077. My last mission before death shall be to wake the Samurai.
fractalcomputer: I have no idea. I've only used that thing once for another Lovecraft picture; the picture is owed to Trent.
himekokatagiri: all the suits are exactly the same
himekokatagiri: why does the gpt image gen make the exact same suit type
himekokatagiri: question
futurist_wizard: And then its a downward slope
fractalcomputer:
futurist_wizard: I'd stay 18-21 forever, i believe thats when we peak
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/jtd-id-it-b-loaf-x-how-justin-timberlake-ruined-my-life-fell-down-falling-down-hill-gif-21573323
sarik0497: Aging is ridiculously difficult to solve. It’ll require ASI at the very least to do it in 15 years.

We can hope for breakthroughs in 20-30 years time. Before that, I’d not hold my breath.
hikukomoru: I’ll stay forever 20
futurist_wizard: I am now in the pinned messages
zoermena: Yes, it’s really helpful that we live in relatively cleaner environments that don’t necessarily expose us to as many toxic substances as those before us did, I would be optimistic and I would argue that you would probably make it to the 100s in a conservative scenario.
fractalcomputer:
futurist_wizard: Pin it, its a nice image
fractalcomputer: If no one will star the message, I'll pin it.
futurist_wizard: You'd roll down a hill
futurist_wizard: Tallest mountain in Denmark
sarik0497: So…you’d jump off a chair?
futurist_wizard:
.wolfnacht: i would go back to being 17 yrs old. 🥵
sarik0497: I don’t see myself slowing down until well in my 70s. Alot of the older generation on my mother’s side lived into their 80s/90s, and those people were smokers and alcohol abusers for the most part.

Also apparently helps that I look really young at my age (told that I look 21-23), which means that my body is still youthful compared to my actual age.
ai9708: if we can solve aging, surely we can reverse it
fractalcomputer: Now we're talking. Sweet broken bones.
hikukomoru: You’d break a few bones at worst
fractalcomputer: You reckon? Sounds a bit optimistic.
.wolfnacht: imagine being in your 50s when aging gets solved.