st.sioux: I think if my family knew I was not religious they would disown me
zoermena: I grew up with a religious family that didn’t practice what they preached, made me distance from it.
.wolfnacht: are you in a bad mood today ?
.wolfnacht: Yes
.wolfnacht: i believe that religions are still the most effective way to control the masses. Back when they didn't had media. Religion was the media.
fractalcomputer: Your opinion has been taken into account and promptly dismissed.
alejandrozarzuelo: no, the reason why i am acussing you is because the conversation came from nowhere and is not related to the topic of the singularity

if you chose to ask that question in a cosmovision sense related to the technological advances we see, well it would be another matter
fractalcomputer: Which I find bizarre, since these are very innocent and amiable questions and I can't honestly see a reason why Alejandro would take issue with it.
fractalcomputer: Alejandro is accusing me of hypocrisy for asking after the philosophical opinions of people here on theism.
trent_k: Lige after death, the nature of good and evil, how a god would act and how we'd like it to act, etc, it's a lot of repurposed religious questions in here all the time
trent_k: I think the singularity takes the place of a lot of things people here would otherwise believe religiously and so no
fractalcomputer: <@1068159407671754824>, am I being hypocritical?
alejandrozarzuelo: no place is perfect
alejandrozarzuelo: thats simply an opinion of mine
alejandrozarzuelo: I do like the server, saying that you are a hypocrite dosnt change that fact
fractalcomputer: You can kindly leave the server if this server is not up to your standards.
trent_k: The singularity is an idea that has a lot of religious themes
alejandrozarzuelo: because discussing religion is not something that a general channel on a singularity server is concerned about

how interesting the conversation is is debatable, particularly with your interactions, but thats less of an issue when its on the channels that are not dedicated to talking about the singularity
trent_k: Well it's a pretty big part of how you see the world, right? It makes sense to be interested in it
fractalcomputer: And in what sense do you think they do not belong *on top of being* unwarranted?
alejandrozarzuelo: I know, i was just giving my opinion
alejandrozarzuelo: in the sense that you are adamant on keeping the general channels focused, which I agree, but you start conversations that dont belong here, on top of being unwarranted
fractalcomputer: In what sense?
alejandrozarzuelo: I am just calling you a hypocrite, thats all
fractalcomputer: I don't recall appointing you as a backseat moderator.
alejandrozarzuelo: no, but you are weirdly inquisitive and you ask when the situation is not appropiate

not to say that, furthermore these questions do not belong to this channel even if they were warranted
fractalcomputer: Are you saying I should not be interested in the way other people think?
alejandrozarzuelo: which is the more annoying when you do it in the general channels
alejandrozarzuelo: you ask people about their religious ideas out of nowhere and out of context
alejandrozarzuelo: just an observation
alejandrozarzuelo: <@749514473303179358> you seem weirdly interested in people's religion
_3sphere: True
fractalcomputer: Yes, but you're doing it an impromptu manner.
_3sphere: I didn't mean it like general relativity being *the* definitive philosophical explanation, just that you generally can deconstruct "time" a lot
fractalcomputer: I mean, it's always very dangerous to draw philosophical or physical statements from mathematical heuristics.
fractalcomputer: Okay?
_3sphere: Manifold
fractalcomputer: I'm not sure how you've drawn that conclusion from the mathematical interpretation of the universe as a hypercone in a very specific setting in relativistic physics.
_3sphere: My point was that spacetime is a specific way you can visualize the concept of "there *is* no before"
_3sphere: I see it as a kind of model similar to the other mental ones we have


zoermena: KEEP AT IT COOL
maintcrew: stop taking tablets caffeine is meant to be enjoyed NERD
wellmeaningalien: damn bro ur gonna get like a heart attack with that
hey1_1hey: Is there an addy dealer in wales 👉 👈
futurist_wizard: Yeah I would've converted to femboyism at that height, im a foot taller than you
.wolfnacht: Now i want to start again, maybe it'll fix my worse adhd
wellmeaningalien: never ever
wellmeaningalien: nope
wellmeaningalien: maybe get strattera + a non stimulant
hey1_1hey: Talk about it, I take these 200mg caffine tablets when I need to work or I will litterly just start thinking about the most random shit when working to the point I cant concentrate
maintcrew: u never drank in ur life?!?
wellmeaningalien: soon man but tbh im more thinking strattera and shit
zoermena: 5'4
maintcrew: hop on the addis chat
hikukomoru: Brother look around
There's nothing more embarassing you can say
futurist_wizard: How tall are you
wellmeaningalien: im definitely not strong minded im straight edge but thats because ive never picked up a bottle of alcohol yet
.wolfnacht: i used to smoke marlboro reds. like 7-8 a day until i stopped 2 months ago
zoermena: Not worth it, I've already taken the role of femboy.
futurist_wizard: But it does work
wellmeaningalien: yeeah and also i need adhd meds that work SO FUCKING BAD!!!
oooooooooog: just get a spine extension
maintcrew: heroin true and real but i havent met a singular strong minded person thats addicted to alcohol
futurist_wizard: It'd be embarrassing to even say
wellmeaningalien: damn alright thats good
wellmeaningalien: need cognitive behavioral therapy so hard tho
futurist_wizard: Oh yeah height its a wrap
hey1_1hey: Oh thats complete bull shit. I never felt anxiety what so ever
wellmeaningalien: thats literally what psychotherapy is supposed to do but public psychiatry is expensive and private psychologists are fucking expensive
hey1_1hey: Knowing me I would get addicted after taking one. I am a lil bitch to stimulants
hikukomoru: ?
zoermena: I haven't looked into the specifics but the only thing that I know is impossible to change is height which as many of you know is a non issue.
oooooooooog: if ur actually a neet just get addicted to benadryl that way you're more motivated to get a job
a1c4p0ne: lol
maintcrew: u just want a brain recalibration😭
futurist_wizard: I've only known 1 strategy that have used myself for improving looks, it sounds so fucking retarded but i swear it works
wellmeaningalien: bro ur editing the image too much ur giving gemini a seizure
st.sioux: try getting addicted to heroin or alcohol and quitting
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: I am just being slandered at this point 😭


zonchao: https://x.com/Rothmus/status/1913020501519192574?
trojan09205: <@1316552597829586955> have you seen syndecoche NY
zonchao: yea it has always been shady
trojan09205: I saw it for the first time. Was surprised to see rami malek in there. Joaquin is just such a good actor. And PSH is ridiculously good
hikukomoru: Ranaldo!!!
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-siuuu-ronaldo-the-goat-sewy-gif-17616218981871012597
st.sioux: i used to watch that movie a lot idk why i found it comforting
trojan09205: Its called “The Master” with joaquin phoenix and philip seymour hoffman
trojan09205: I just saw a fantastic movie. Like fucking beast mode good
trojan09205: Its a pretty reasonable take. I am happy im as far away from the Hollywood casting world as possible lol cause those decisions are pretty trash usually
a1c4p0ne: More sui
futurist_wizard: Ronaldos retired, no more sui
hikukomoru: You can look like that now
Grow out your hair and buy a suit
Done
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
futurist_wizard: When i build a memory of a character i like for it to remain the same aesthetic
trojan09205: Alan Rickman was such a good actor as snape. Character arc was epic
trojan09205: Thank you brother ❤
futurist_wizard: I do not like recasts
zoermena: Also I hope things work out <@379982824591065108>
trojan09205: I saw some reddit post saying they cast a black guy as snape in some new series. I just found the comments hilarious
hikukomoru: So you want to look like snape then I see
zoermena: I dont know to be honest
himekokatagiri: they never look right lol
zoermena: Always
himekokatagiri: welcome back snape
hikukomoru: 4o right?
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/tati-linda-gif-20724572
hikukomoru: Looks like an old man
trojan09205: Snape?
hikukomoru: Oh god
trojan09205: The JLO movie
trojan09205: Also the movie anaconda scared the shit out of me
futurist_wizard: I have vague memories of it because the ride traumatized me
st.sioux: shit was scary af
trojan09205: Jaws made me scared of the ocean kind of til today lol
st.sioux: i cried
zoermena: I tried
futurist_wizard: When i was a little kid i was one of the last people to go on the jaws ride
trojan09205: Half the people love it the other half are like WTF did i just get on
trojan09205: Lol this reminds me of this king kong ride at universal


hikukomoru: "brian" 🥀
alejandrozarzuelo: yes
archon.e: direct stream of information to your brian. would boost my IQ by 20 points
hikukomoru: Are you talking about Brasil
alejandrozarzuelo: that is all
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
alejandrozarzuelo: btw, i am very familiar with demography, so i know quite a bit about that since i read a lot of papers and research about it
archon.e: I really wish we can just know things without googling
zonchao: they invaded us /s (maybe 👀 )
fractalcomputer: God forbid men *know* things in this day and age where information is *freely* available *on demand* **at all times**.
fractalcomputer: That is called general acculturation.
archon.e: let people  be people
alejandrozarzuelo: im not autistic
archon.e: please no name calling
hikukomoru: It's the autism
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: how can you "lose" 10 million people
archon.e: Yeah, here they are delaying census due to stupid political reasons
zonchao: I think <@688807313015963693> and <@749514473303179358> know the most random shit about everything
alejandrozarzuelo: brazil had 10 MILLION less people than they expected
fuhulootogan: they know best
fuhulootogan: obviously the elites will provide for us!!
alejandrozarzuelo: as I said, UN estimations are always very on the higher side and in the case of india there has not been a census since 2011, the number is likely significantly smaller

simply because a lot of people were never born
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676
archon.e: ffs
archon.e: thats liek the population of an entire country
zonchao: it will be the billionaires + govt that will give us UBI, unless they fumble hard, but with all the tech leadership around the govt, I doubt it.
archon.e: now we are 50 million ahead
archon.e: 2 years ago india overtook china
hikukomoru: Stop thinking about sex you horndog
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, the indian population depends on what assumptions you make on fertility rates

the UN always overestimates population and fertility rates

last year brazil realized that since the last census 10 years ago there were 10m less people than they projected they would have
archon.e:
inferno0879: giving everyone in the world ubi might create mega inflation but idk normal laws of economics might not apply
ailoveyoom: Power bottom?
ailoveyoom: What does this mean
zonchao: thats a lot of people, cooked.
fuhulootogan: top down?
st.sioux: its actually 1.443
zonchao: wtf
archon.e: It’s crazy


spicy.lemonade:
oooooooooog: is the second one the new one?
oooooooooog: ohhh
oooooooooog: it sucks?!?!?
zonchao: <@937125337748348999> https://x.com/Big_Picture_89/status/1905337181096607863? 💀
zonchao: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
spicy.lemonade: https://fxtwitter.com/mrjonfinger/status/1905272058646299040
wellmeaningalien: using gemini 2.5 pro rn its amazesauce
wellmeaningalien: i forgot this image was pre 4o image gen and i was gonna say nice generation
technocake.: thats pretty spooky
technocake.: tried 3 times on this last prompt, blocked
technocake.:
.histic: https://x.com/ldjconfirmed/status/1905452990271533452
777agical: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
777agical:
.histic: <@449241957810569228> you'll like this https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1905450296286884176
.histic: Area 51
zoermena: Look for diets/recipes tailored to you and your goals
st.sioux: its like how much energy ai uses compared to humans in a similar task, like 1 image genrated vs 1 drawing made by some furry
technocake.: does anyone know where he works?
.histic: i've no clue what that means tbh, but word-for-word?
zoermena: It’s been a heavy week in AI
st.sioux: Comparative energy analysis of AI-generated output vs. traditional human labor and industry alternatives
.histic: probably
hikukomoru: 🥀
technocake.: busy with work, life?
hikukomoru: I think I scared him
zoermena: At this point there’s not a lot of use case for pro beyond more deep research
.histic: i wonder what happend to lisan.
he barely talks here.
technocake.: some on here are shelling out 200 a month for pro
hikukomoru: I'm not a paypig so no
.histic: do you've 4o img access?
hikukomoru:
.histic: i'm bored af, i just want to use my 10 deep research uses for random stuff
memlaswaif: I have only met like 3 chinese dude online all of them speak broken english
st.sioux: for what? like an app or something?
joaoluz19: It's over
technocake.: but there are enough chinese people that there are loads who do
hikukomoru: a small minorty
.histic: <@1316552597829586955> give me an idea to use deep research 4


spicy.lemonade: depends if they drop
_3sphere: Also, a crude head transplant has already been done on animals, it... worked a bit?
a1c4p0ne: Will 2.5 remain king after this week?
_3sphere: But the anti-aging needed to keep the brain going is also helpful for the rest of the body
spicy.lemonade: im sure the cartel has tested this
_3sphere: yeah
spicy.lemonade: for brainvat to work we need first successful procedure of keeping a human alive with brain alone
_3sphere: Then moved to whatever is used to do black hole-powered bases
st.sioux: until someone makes malware for your brain and makes you experience 1 million years of suffering in 10 milliseconds
_3sphere: This should be buried deep in a planet in a very stable orbit and low chance of strong impacts
spicy.lemonade: 60 years?
_3sphere: No, you'd die in an accident with the timelines we're dealing with here
spicy.lemonade: everything else robot
spicy.lemonade: brain vat around very good protection skin. carbon fiber or something lol
_3sphere: It'd be like legacy software but 1000x worse, but ASI should be able to handle it
_3sphere: lots of bespoke custom viruses and nanobots to keep it running
spicy.lemonade: true
spicy.lemonade: hmm
_3sphere: A brain in a vat could probably work indefinitely too tbf
spicy.lemonade: everyone will walk around with a fusion powerd heart
dean_martin: I want a lifespan to rival the Roman Empire
ailoveyoom: The key to surviving unknowable eldritch horrors is to thirst after them
spicy.lemonade: yeah
_3sphere: Computers won't work without a power supply
spicy.lemonade: we can atmost extend our lives until biology cant take it
dean_martin: This really thermals my dynamic
spicy.lemonade: if its not
spicy.lemonade: i think it possible for us to live forever if we figure out that consciousness is some type of data we can transfer
fractalcomputer: I need whiskey.
darkstar0818: thermodynamics, isn't that caused by global warming?
_3sphere: Entropy-chan scrambling poor Mich's atoms
abundantliving_: I was watching Black mirror S07E01 , and it triggered panick
ailoveyoom: Entropy is the final boss and I'm not sure I want to defeat her 🥵 🛐
dean_martin: I would like to live like abnormally long like hundreds or thousands of years, but I, like every person does here and elsewhere, knows that is the standard to die at like 80ish, these are just things you realize at 14
fractalcomputer: You think these people understand anything about cosmological physics? Let alone thermodynamics?
zoermena: Do you believe the leaks of the information on regards of the drops coming this week, any thoughts? 🎤
_3sphere: Not even in 1e100 years when there are no more usable energy sources?
ldj: Agents are already here, you have Claude computer use, and OpenAI browser use etc.
It's just a matter of the models getting better from here, more training compute scale, alongside continued progress of algorithmic efficiency improvements.
realelonmuskx: fuck humans. they need to go extinct. dumb ass irrational monkeys in floating rock clueless af. this has no cure. dumb ass social constructs im sick. money, borders, religion, laws, marraige, work, success/failure, goverments, calendars, age milestones, needs, biological needs, futility, regret, pressure, hunger, death, suffering, peer pressure, names, surnames, language all bs to distract yourself from the fact that you are an useless sentient meatbag ina  adrift floating rock. everyone is winfging it. f this shit. reproduction is a scam. f humans
darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/PptP.gif


brain4brain: Need more data
.0xunkn0wn:
.0xunkn0wn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFFh7v0ymA
.0xunkn0wn: and blackwell ultra
.0xunkn0wn: ya seen the new rubin chips?
.0xunkn0wn: guys
.0xunkn0wn: oh shit
rayanquitplayin: 1st
.wolfnacht: Okay, the user.....
But wait....
Hmm,....
Alternatively.....
Or......
In conclusion....
Wait there's more,.....
Finally,.....
brain4brain: I love pantheon so much
rayanquitplayin: Search just searches the internet and reasoning shows it’s thinking right?
brain4brain: If it’s hard topic enable search and reasoning, this one seems easy probably doesn’t need to
brain4brain: Help me choose the best one
rayanquitplayin: I like to get my information from different sources, but you right, you can ask anything to ChatGPT
rayanquitplayin: Bet
brain4brain: Also watch 3blue1brown, very good video on LLM
brain4brain: What should have been done since the beginning
rayanquitplayin: I’ll ask ChatGPT
brain4brain: Kind of, probably
rayanquitplayin: Are LLM vectors that same vectors studied in pre-calculus?
brain4brain: LLM vector is just a bunch of number values that is large enough to be emergent to a sort of semantic understanding, I think
brain4brain: Depends on what vector you’re talking about
brain4brain: Also do you guys think LLM generate new content or just regurgitate stuff
rayanquitplayin: I didn’t realize vectors take up physical space
_3sphere: Where they had it just go ............ and some thinking went on in the residual stream while generating the dots
_3sphere: "Inefficient" token use can actually be good for thinking, as shown by the thinking dots paper
alejandrozarzuelo: cats and dogs dont dream of LEV
brain4brain: Another is that sometimes Gemini generated something in Indian right before coming back to English token and I don’t know why
brain4brain: Absolutely
brain4brain: I accidentally lucid dreamed many time, usually from fearing too much then realizing it was a dream and tried to escape by swimming in the air upward, but another time I accidentally did it, this time I use it wisely for something 😈

Only lasted a few seconds though, when prophetic headset comes out and proven definitely buying
rayanquitplayin: Cats have 9 lives
ailoveyoom: As a dog, can confirm 🐕🦺
_3sphere: I will add that cats are definitely aware of their bodies too 🐱
frittata: Anyway how does this relate to AI
frittata: I will take no questions at this time
frittata: Cats and dogs are definitely self aware on a low level <:bruh:1303825143344267305> I can only imagine those of you that think otherwise have never had one, or have never paid attention to it if you have
rayanquitplayin: What does this mean? Humans do this with their brain?
alejandrozarzuelo: very similar in the sense that it couldnt be any other way
st.sioux: imma store some information in his vector
rayanquitplayin: Tbh I think AI thought is inherently better


rayanquitplayin: A humans ability to reason or an AI’s ability to reason?
fractalcomputer: Huh.
fractalcomputer: As in what? What are you asking me to elaborate?
fractalcomputer: Overall the notion of reasoning as pursued in modern research is incredibly mistaken.
rayanquitplayin: What y’all talkin’ about? I swear y’all are having the most complicated conversation of all-time
fractalcomputer: Well obviously these things are going to work *if* they are going to work; not much to say there.
rayanquitplayin: Visually it’s pretty solid
rayanquitplayin: Coke ran a fully AI created ad
oimrqs: Human-made work structure takes more time than expected to adapt, too much friction
st.sioux: I think that it could be done by now, it's just a matter of someone being willing to design and implement the architecture for the software
darkstar0818: All of my positivity on the topic turned into dark amusement when I realized it would be a civilization right out of idiocracy that will usher in the sing.
rayanquitplayin: I didn’t think about marketing being automated by AI but that makes a lot of sense
fractalcomputer: I mean, to give an example, let's consider the birth of Galois theory in the last two centuries or so—I would think that no one would have intuitively expected that the easiest way to prove that there does not exist a radical-based formula for solving polynomials of degree five or higher is to study mathematical formalisations of symmetry.
rayanquitplayin: Yeah for sure
st.sioux: and with 4o native image gen even content creation like informative graphics or simple ads could be automatically generated
st.sioux: I believe marketing (or specially online marketing) is going to get automated pretty soon... if you look at most posts they already sound kind of robotic and play it super safe, social media managers tend to stick to the same tone and structure across the board and thats something AI can emulate really well
fractalcomputer: Most revolutions in pure mathematics have come from finding the right perspective on things; the right abstraction to make thinking about complex structures and objects intuitive. Sure, connections between different areas of mathematics has always been needed; but in that respects models have been performing hitherto extraordinarily poorly if it were only about exposure to data.
rayanquitplayin: Industries where AI is being combined with the historic industry
fractalcomputer: I am trying to be positive here.
rayanquitplayin: Industries like sub-industries of tech, visual art, music, finance
fractalcomputer: And in what sense do you think that is applicable to mathematical research?
darkstar0818: interesting is not the word I would use.
st.sioux: What do you mean adjacent?
rayanquitplayin: Which adjacent industries do you guys think will get an AI boost?
destrucules: Please don't send people unwanted dick pics. Should be common sense. Idk why I gotta spell that out
rayanquitplayin: There are so many opportunities in AI
rayanquitplayin: I think AI has to be met with other industries like software & robotics for example to find new knowledge
fractalcomputer: Mathematics does not rest on "world-knowledge."
st.sioux: in a sense competitive programming is just solving puzzles
st.sioux: i believe the imo benchmarks are comparable to competitive programming, they're good at proving that the model is good at solving stuff that requires algorithmic thinking but not much beyond that
fractalcomputer: IMO problems are all rather narrow in a reasoning sense. They're more like extremely elaborate puzzles with a few common strategies to solve them—only understanding the nature of the problem indicates any sort of talent in mathematical research.
rayanquitplayin: You can get high-level AI intel on anything
rayanquitplayin: But I lowkey like the responses, it keeps everything high-level
rayanquitplayin: Yeah ChatGPT responds like a bot
trent_k: Does anyone at a pre-IMO level have anything meaningful to contribute to the field though? I don't see any issue with just using benchmarks to benchmark
st.sioux: stop talking about penises
trent_k: Anything under 9 inches
fractalcomputer: The one thing I absolutely hate about the recent trends in artificial intelligence is the generic responses of all these models; even within maths, the answer is always the desired one, with no onboard baggage or new, unique insights. Sure, doing IMO problems is interesting—but why should any of that matter if no new knowledge comes out?
rayanquitplayin: 🧠 🧠
trent_k: They're gonna think it's a child penis


spicy.lemonade: I also need a fake thermometer
spicy.lemonade: But got up throwing up
spicy.lemonade: To feel better
spicy.lemonade: So I took a nap before midterm
spicy.lemonade: And it made me nauseous
spicy.lemonade: Across the past 2 days to keep up with work
spicy.lemonade: I drank too much coffee
spicy.lemonade: Ok here’s the plan
spicy.lemonade: Lmaoo
st.sioux: rip your grandma
spicy.lemonade: Grok
spicy.lemonade: I asked from
precariousworlds.: say it was my fault ill take the fall for u 🫡 🫡 🫡
spicy.lemonade: Hm I need to think of a plan
spicy.lemonade: Say I got food poisoning
spicy.lemonade: Time to lie
spicy.lemonade: No no
futurist_wizard: Its over
spicy.lemonade: HOW TF DID I SET 5 ALARMS AND STILL SLEEP THROUGH ALL
spicy.lemonade: SLEPT THROUGH ALARM
spicy.lemonade: I MISSED A MIDTERM
st.sioux: every time ive asked it something it does some random unrelated thing
st.sioux: am i tripping or does quasar alpha suck turbo ass
.wolfnacht: i think this had to be a limited thing ? maybe selected countries only
.wolfnacht: google's soo unfair
.histic: switch gmails
_cloudost: Nothing ever happens..
_cloudost: Nope
st.sioux: stress
.wolfnacht: <@590577270926868480>  got the access ?
.histic: in coding it's balls though.
.histic: interesting...
.histic: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> never trust a verge writer, only the information articles.
wellmeaningalien: yeah he just expects it to be called like that
.histic: wait, rly?
wellmeaningalien: btw apparently the 4.1 name is just something the verge article writer made up
futurist_wizard: There has to be a science to this
futurist_wizard: Why are all ai ceos balding
bob082957: AGI on M3 Ultra 512 GB by Learning Cultural transfer to speak. I don’t understand there exist techniques to learn rl language. I mean put hassabis with m3 ultra in one room and AGI come out
futurist_wizard: The real me


wolf3404: https://fxtwitter.com/LiquidAI_/status/1915569534238429332
spicy.lemonade: it made trenches
spicy.lemonade: ww1
spicy.lemonade: wtf
spicy.lemonade: gpt 4.1
spicy.lemonade: thats genius
spicy.lemonade: prompt: upsidedown city
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k: It's a beautiful day outside. The sun is shining and the birds are chirping. Today I'm going to make ao3 users mad
trent_k: How are you all today
trent_k: Ng
trent_k: Ni
trent_k: R
trent_k: Mo
trent_k: D
trent_k: Oo
trent_k: G
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: posted 2020
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: https://web.archive.org/web/20200316032354/https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615189/what-ai-still-cant-do/
spicy.lemonade: goated post from 2022
a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: Good at doxxing too
a1c4p0ne: Its insane at finding products and shops
spicy.lemonade: we have those today
spicy.lemonade: that could be a coding agent
spicy.lemonade: that is not agi
aero447: Reality-based, the reality in this schizo's mind.
aero447: 😂
aero447: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1k73493/realitybased_futurology/
aero447: Does anyone else love reading /r/Futurology for the lols?
brain4brain: That is AGI
spicy.lemonade: not agi tho
spicy.lemonade: "in 2025, we may see the first AI agents “join the workforce” and materially change the output of companies."
spicy.lemonade: in his january blog he said
spicy.lemonade: strange
spicy.lemonade: i dont recal him saying that
brain4brain: He said AGI 2025 multiple other time, and besides he wasn’t joking


hey1_1hey: They are comfy alright
fractalcomputer: Femineity is the word. Feminine is the adjective.
hikukomoru: I just wear jeans
hey1_1hey: I wonder if the most femenine person in this server is man or women <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hikukomoru: He wears skirts and everything
futurist_wizard: Yeah you probably do
hey1_1hey: Bluds british
hey1_1hey: So I think I win
hey1_1hey: Well I have more femenineness than you
zoermena:
hikukomoru: My black guy is the OG one
I win
hey1_1hey: Me neither 🤝
futurist_wizard: Im not black
hey1_1hey: Is that the same for irl?
futurist_wizard: I get the rare pokiblack card
hey1_1hey: This is gonna be news I can already feel it
futurist_wizard: My one is more attractive than the rest of yours
hey1_1hey: This is litterly just the AIs self-portrait
hikukomoru: Why is he everyone
hey1_1hey: Reninds me of that better call saul meme
zoermena: What the heck
zoermena: Ok
hey1_1hey: Except for me of course 💪
hey1_1hey: Everyone is everything but white
hikukomoru: The AI uprising isn't going to be killer robots like terminator
It's going to be that single Black Guy with glasses
drewsni: ok but if it actually looks like me im not posting it
futurist_wizard: What the cunt
zoermena: According to GPT we need a lasik surgery.
hey1_1hey: Thanks chatgpt
hey1_1hey: It knows I am 18 and yet gave me the look of a 25 year old autistic software engineer
zoermena: Still glasses.
.histic: i became an Indian
hey1_1hey: The luddies were right
hey1_1hey: This is litterly the AI uprising
hey1_1hey: Wait
zoermena: Ask chat gpt to make an image of what it thinks you look like now!
hey1_1hey: This guy isn't real
hey1_1hey:
hikukomoru: They're multiplying
hikukomoru: Oh my god


joaoluz19: I also find it quite nonsensical that many people are desperate to have extraordinary success before the singularity. I see how Jesus said: "My kingdom is not of this world." People get very neurotic about such a poor world.
hikukomoru: He was released from the gulag
hey1_1hey: Oh welcome back from the... "Incident"
hikukomoru: Benevolent dictator ASI mommy 😳
joaoluz19: Samantha is not enough
joaoluz19: Now what these studies have shown and what I have been expecting for some time is that we do indeed need things like FDVR or biological manufacturing.
zoermena: I see.
ailoveyoom: Hope the AI takes over humanity instead 🥺
futurist_wizard: Don't know how we stop malicious actors
joaoluz19: Saying that I wouldn't feel like a loser for having a Samantha. Almost all relationships I know are dysfunctional and there is a lot of room for improvement in that area. I think the appeal to nature suppresses all the blessing that waifus can bring and all this seen from a neurological point of view
zoermena: More useful too
hey1_1hey: My toaster is smarter than some people I know so its already on its way
futurist_wizard: The toaster will be smarter than all of humanity
okbut: Why? It's so much more efficient to overrule the wait times
futurist_wizard: It'll likely be like the internet, just an abundance of intelligence
hey1_1hey: Prob gonna be OS
futurist_wizard: Don't think anyone will control it
hikukomoru: Source?
i_like_over_9000_turtles: I mean they have organ farms for VIPs I am not sure about that...
_3sphere: Maybe they'll see the light and realize that they can easily make utopia for everyone 🥺
hey1_1hey: I gotta accelerate faster then my lord
zoermena: Are you saying it’s the opposite because you’ve been in relationships or that you feel like a loser because you’ve been in one before the singularity?
hikukomoru: China controlling AGI would be a better outcome than Musk and Trump ngl
futurist_wizard: Sexuality is destroyed
futurist_wizard: You get turned into gpus
joaoluz19: I've been in relationships and I know a lot of people who have been and are in relationships, for me it's the opposite.
hey1_1hey: Does everyone turn straight afterwards or smth 😭 ?
okbut: Yeah considering LLMs are focused on improvements in text-based response I wonder if voice should have a totally independent approach
futurist_wizard: One year before singularity
i_like_over_9000_turtles: Is anyone else scared about the direction we are headed?  It looks like we have a CCP controlled singularity vs a Nazi controlled singularity on the other.  Is there any possible way it doesn't turn out dystopian?
hikukomoru: I love when chat is gay
joaoluz19: I think diminishing returns will also apply to future improvements, but we will see more studies of this type as well. For me, I think this was the first one so far.
okbut: I love Teslur
okbut: Didn't he Tesla with a hard R?
_3sphere: "Today" misleadingly implies it's a noteworthy or unusual thing
futurist_wizard: Chat today
hey1_1hey: Complete lies
zoermena: I also don’t want to get into a relationship for that sake though.
darkstar0818: You do not.
hikukomoru: I make fun of everyone equally


himekokatagiri: shit I dunno
spacetimetsunami: o4 mini and o3 arent autonomous agents. They’ve met and exceeded expectations in many ways. I am satisfied.
spacetimetsunami: This is a good way to think about it
destrucules: More than that, though, is the paradigm change a property of the model itself, or a property of the economy?
st.sioux: it wont be like flipping a switch
destrucules: What do you envision as the paradigm change "AGI" should bring about?
hikukomoru: Oh uh yeah
Brockman said "AGI is here" during the stream
destrucules: It's been like a day
himekokatagiri: where's the paradigm change
destrucules: Wdym nothing to show for it?
himekokatagiri: the o4 one
himekokatagiri: uh... in that presentation?
hikukomoru: When
himekokatagiri: OpenAI
hikukomoru: Who proclaimed AGI
himekokatagiri: with nothing to show for it
himekokatagiri: why did they proclaim AGI
himekokatagiri: it's looking pretty grim ngl
ailoveyoom: Sleep is All You Need 🗣
spacetimetsunami: https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.13171

this is fucking crazy and was published like yesterday
st.sioux: those two humble billionaires 🥹
gamerbath: wasn't he supposed to open source grok 2 after releasing grok 3?
wolf3404: https://fxtwitter.com/LiorOnAI/status/1913277094978535707
destrucules: I told y'all 🤣
theaiguy69420_89814: I have no idea
theaiguy69420_89814: You tell me lmao
st.sioux: why dont they
theaiguy69420_89814: Indian devs don't use GitHub lmao
theaiguy69420_89814: Oh, this is really bloody useful. Lots of freelance clients just send me zips of code lol
st.sioux: yea i saw it
zoermena: Im thinking of just getting a very mid but decent tablet to download all brain rot and perhaps malware driven content that can’t be linked to me so that I never get hacked.
gamerbath: you can find it at the bottom of covid.gov, no need for download
sieventer: Trump will hack your PC <:catcry:1187466366006087862>
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: its made by the gov
st.sioux: zero days wont be caught by virustotal
ailoveyoom: Scan it then lol
ailoveyoom: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/
sieventer: -XD
sieventer: Cult's vibes


hikukomoru: I was joking boo 😘
trent_k: i cant rectify in my head how the tech is so cool but the people are so god awful lame
clevermoniker: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226> 👍
hey1_1hey: I mean apart from being weird loser virgins
777agical:
.histic:
hey1_1hey: Whats wrong with them
joaoluz19:
hikukomoru: I hate csbros so much it's unreal 💔
hey1_1hey: Well I mean he has a husband/boyfriend (cant remember)
.histic: https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/1904596899623313603
wellmeaningalien: bro hes married to a dude
hey1_1hey: I am dying over here
777agical: maybe it's already doing that in the background?
hey1_1hey: Can someon get hitler and stalin to kiss please
jonvi_1: Uh weird joke lol there’s no punchline but ok
hikukomoru: WHAT???? REALLY???
spicy.lemonade: yeah
spicy.lemonade: the diagrams and figures it could draw
hikukomoru: Good taste brother, it's one of my favourite animse 👍
777agical: some leaks pointed to that right?
hey1_1hey: NO SHOT REALLY?!?!?! Yes obv hes gay
trent_k: i hate computer ppl. i am computer ppl tho so its hard
spicy.lemonade: broooo
spicy.lemonade: image, math image math
777agical: i still dont have access <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
jonvi_1: Lol
spicy.lemonade: imagine reasoning with this
jonvi_1: He’s gay
hey1_1hey: His tweet that is, twas a joke
joaoluz19: We are so back it's a joke
wellmeaningalien: coming soon
jonvi_1: ???
hikukomoru: I won't be satisfied until every single person in r/csmajors is out of a job
joaoluz19:
hey1_1hey: Hes so based
wellmeaningalien: sorry
wellmeaningalien: im from openai but i didnt tell yall
drewsni: WTF I LOVE SAMA AGAIN
hey1_1hey: Brother forgot its public


wellmeaningalien: i dont think copilot will be any more useful than chatgpt <@88481490228228096> ur right
wellmeaningalien: im on the stream rn
spicy.lemonade: qwen dropping monday
wellmeaningalien: my brain went like 2nd quarter of 2025 😭
wellmeaningalien: wait
wellmeaningalien: 😼
wellmeaningalien: we're somewhat getting closer
wellmeaningalien: oh shit
ldj: 2nd half starts in July
ldj: No we’re not <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: but lemme guess its like barely doing shit
wellmeaningalien: if they can get it working in a coherent easy to use package thats the biggest achievement tho
wellmeaningalien: lol
drewsni: literally
drewsni: theyre repackaging oai features dont bother
wellmeaningalien: damn i gotta hop on this stream
wellmeaningalien: wym
wellmeaningalien: we're in the 2nd half of 2025 😼
drewsni: it just gave hints
drewsni: i dont think so
wellmeaningalien: like a computer using agent?
drewsni: BRO its using photoshop to adjust the saturation instead of a 10 line python script wtf
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJFGDSkfGJI
ldj: My bad didn’t see the bottom part of the tweet earlier some how, yea I think it’s fair to say this is a delay by atleast a month or 2 compared to what they might’ve been trying to aim for originally.

I think it’s still releasing in 2nd half of 2025 most likely though.
spicy.lemonade: damn
spicy.lemonade: lol i remmber cleverbot
wellmeaningalien: cleverbot videos anyone lol
wellmeaningalien: i remember when IBM watson being able to answer trivia questions were impressive
spicy.lemonade: "omg it remembers my name"
spicy.lemonade: remember before 2022 where a computer answering your questions and talking to you dynamicaly was impressive. like it wasnt preprogrammed answers. even then preprogrammed answers we seen as impressive
wellmeaningalien: im sure they were using a shit model for google search. gemini 2.5 pro sweeps the floor
drewsni: but still
drewsni: obv not the same product as google search
drewsni: google search grounding is really good now tbf
wellmeaningalien: yeah lol
wellmeaningalien: i mean if it's not a hallucinating mess like google search then i'm sure it'll be hella useful for a lot of people
spicy.lemonade: man
drewsni: the point is to not ask "insane" questions for every deep research, but instead to use it for every question
drewsni: but i guess youre right
wellmeaningalien: i mean this is for the everyday user


hey1_1hey: Who knows
hey1_1hey: Or maybe its just automatic and it doesn't have time to think
hey1_1hey: ChatGPT must be on its toes constantly
hey1_1hey: I'll be able to generate really mean things about Komoru in 7 hours and they can't do the same back to me because they are silly and don't have it yet 🤌
drewsni: I almost got it this time…
drewsni:
wellmeaningalien: i have native image gen bro
.histic:
hey1_1hey: UK 💪
Crumbiling but has native image gen
.histic: OpenAI said EU people should get it by 2028
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/only-one-there-can-only-be-one-funny-car-mean-cat-cat-attack-gif-12213614
hikukomoru: I don't have native image gen
hey1_1hey: I need to have 2 sets of keyboards with 2 discords open to type all the jokes that come into my head
hey1_1hey: Stole my joke
hey1_1hey: "Yes miss, I have a question. What does the conventianal explosive mean? Hmm... I am not sure I understand can I talk to you after class about it"
ailoveyoom: *Bottom student
hikukomoru: After class tutoring 😳
hey1_1hey: You'd see me there, I'd be her top student
hikukomoru: I would take every single one of that lady's classes
hey1_1hey: I didn't know I could find something so interesting
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: You got a boring part of a video you're making? Just ask 4o to make a infomgraphic with a really hot anime lady in it explaining why it works
hey1_1hey: This would unironcailly boost watch time
fractalcomputer: Nuclear physics should be exciting enough even without some anime-esque lady standing there, doing nothing.
.histic: my bad
fractalcomputer: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.
.histic:
.histic: using 4o img gen on sora.com is far better.
you get two outputs instead of one.
there doesn't seem to be bad rate limits & it refuses less.
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: At least some of them do, not sure for everyone
metaldragon01: Yes
hey1_1hey: For no particular reason of course
hey1_1hey: I am so locked in to learning about nucelar fission its crazy
.histic:
hey1_1hey: It made my pfp have big booba when I asked it to imrpove the image <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: I sure do
.histic: claude is down
hikukomoru: Do free users have native image gen already
drewsni: Or any other option really
metaldragon01: They really should let people gift subs tbh


hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634> <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
sweetievee__33649: thats just the internet not even recently either lmao
drewsni: this was the message from their 30 year old moderator btw
.wolfnacht: imagine "digitally" being tied to a pole and getting burned alive by witchhunters online.
sweetievee__33649: https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440
zonchao: 🤡
drewsni: its probably just my bubble of a city (you know the one), but im not exaggerating when i say its 90% of a group of 20 or so people
hikukomoru: I'm in a few ERP servers and a lot of people there absolutely hate AI images even though they use chatbots all the time
sweetievee__33649: its palpable
sweetievee__33649: 💀 oh the irony
zonchao: https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/s/joBoaqeemy this is a repost of the ai post.... there was a lot of fighting in the comments... then another dude asked ai to make a drawing of the ai post 😭 and for a second everyone thought it wasn't ai <:LOL:1187460826572005436>  https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/s/LrKsnXng8L
drewsni: even have a "hall of fame" for its posts
.wolfnacht: it'll revive again..to that peak. thanks to AI, we'll revive old internet too.
drewsni: funniest part is they love their AI bot
hikukomoru: Omg I love this song
Old Disney was so peak
sweetievee__33649: im saving this send to people lol
hikukomoru:
ailoveyoom: I guess I've sort just of fallen for the whole passionate artists thing, didn't know a decent chunk of them were just lazy bums
drewsni: like i said, bums
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/savages-pocahontas-gif-5458002
sweetievee__33649: we need to kill all ai artists
sweetievee__33649: just a photo of some dude and then you are being told to kill yourself by multiple people
hikukomoru: You posted AI? Literally Hitler
drewsni: me to commision someone to make that image in the literal 60 seconds its relevant?
drewsni: dont know what they expect
drewsni: nope
sweetievee__33649: thats not even that bad 🥀
drewsni: this is what i posted as a joke because the driver didnt win
zonchao: 💀💀
sweetievee__33649: what was even the image
drewsni:
hikukomoru: They told drewsny to kill himself
zonchao: missed it
drewsni: Did you see my screenshot of the nascar discord?
sweetievee__33649: alteast have a cool autistic interest
hikukomoru: Sub for car autists
sweetievee__33649: oh thats worse that i thought
zonchao: formula 1 dank memes
sweetievee__33649: whats that sub reddit about
drewsni: LETS GO


diogenesfuckdishcord: a baby born in like 2020 will never be smarter than frontier AI models
spicy.lemonade: or younger
spicy.lemonade: imagine beingf 18 during agi
brain4brain: What are your opinion on whether or not do you think google’s co-scientist is truly creative? Or is this in-capable of making something truly new

https://x.com/googleai/status/1892214154372518031?s=61
rayanquitplayin: That’s what I’m sayin, 25 is young
sarik0497: Pff, youngsters complaining about 25 being “old”
spicy.lemonade: thats the rajectory of the asteroid
abundantliving_: why the fuck
a1c4p0ne: quality going down
a1c4p0ne: I guess the people in r/ClaudeAI was right
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: your life just started at 25
spicy.lemonade: old??? thats perfect age. id be 23/24
rayanquitplayin: At 25 you still have hella time to do stuff
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/vince-carter-its-over-done-finished-its-finish-gif-17214651
spicy.lemonade: gets it even more wrong
spicy.lemonade:
.wolfnacht: idk, is there a sauce ?
.wolfnacht: i'd be pretty old by 2030....imagine being 25 and getting hands on AGI 😭
brain4brain: Wasn’t the benchmark for that 100% saturated
brain4brain: Is Google AI the same as Google DeepMind
.wolfnacht: i mean the ability to recall the the past events in from the existing context. [the needle in haystack thing]
a1c4p0ne: I know but lets see if it gets it right lol
brain4brain: ChatGPT rate limit is my enemy 😔
spicy.lemonade: it shouldnt need extended thinking😭
rayanquitplayin: What a time to be alive
.wolfnacht: it's all gonna be a utopia fast, past 2030s
brain4brain: Generation length doesn’t really matter with long context window
a1c4p0ne: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
a1c4p0ne: try it with extended thinking
rayanquitplayin: High school with the existence of AI seems like utopia
.wolfnacht: 2023: ~~beyond 8k~~
2024: ~~beyond 16k~~
2025: beyond 32k tokens the models are still a meme.
clevermoniker: i don't think it is that conclusive yet
brain4brain: I doubt OpenAI will implement it though
brain4brain: Yes
brain4brain: Made from two data point over 10 months
brain4brain: After the METR paper, I would like to propose my own AI Moore’s law, AI capabilities increase by 20x every 10 months <:caught:1285810336682999858>
hikukomoru: Are you talking abt Titans
brain4brain: Didn’t we already have the new architecture that enables long term memory? Better agency and less resilience/ hallucinations can be achieved from scaling up
.wolfnacht: i wish i had LLM's back when i was in high school...i would be a completely different person. It would explain it everything to me, and i won't be needing to found countless yt videos or make sense out of texts in books.


spicy.lemonade: Call same model for all npcs
spicy.lemonade: Just store one small model in game
ailoveyoom: Curious
ailoveyoom: How?
anathemaofmankind: Wdym. A lot of people online hate AI.

Just look at at the Balatro drama and some posts in gaming subreddits
spicy.lemonade: Should be very feasible
maintcrew: 3b brainlet should be enough for a npc right
ailoveyoom: A local model hosted on each player's computer? Accesibility go brr.

The game company hosts their own model? Their money goes brr
ailoveyoom: Idk how feasible this'd be tho
joaoluz19: Really? didn't know, I'll take a look
joaoluz19: naaah, it's not possible
st.sioux: elder scrolls 6
st.sioux: horizon 6, silent hill f are the only big games i think
anathemaofmankind: I feel like it would get backlash because of luddite presence in the gaming sphere
joaoluz19: There are no announcements for 2026, right?
joaoluz19: Sad not to see AAA games with LLM's/voice it would be so epic
st.sioux: with tts
st.sioux: i want someone to use LLMs for NPCs but everyones a coward
spicy.lemonade: They probably use LLMs rn
st.sioux: gta v was
sarik0497: Hell, even that has AI help making things
anathemaofmankind: So does that mean it can write me a graphic sex scene
sarik0497: Wanna hear a crazy thought? GTA 6 will be the last game Rockstar Games likely make entirely by humans.
anathemaofmankind: "Whatever you ask"
spicy.lemonade: “Gpt 5 will do whatever you ask just short of coming up with new science”
spicy.lemonade: Lines up with what Sam said
spicy.lemonade: Gpt 6 will be the first to do frontier research according to this<:ez:1136267305521774634>
abundantliving_: even applied for invite code , but been days , seems like they give invite codes to only influencers and content creators
abundantliving_: not used , just seen videos and people using it .
zonchao: heard it's mega mid
zonchao: have you used manus?
abundantliving_: thse make a big problem for agents to interact with web
abundantliving_: yes , stupid websites with popups and ads and my god the cookie prompts
abundantliving_: with a good enough agentic framework, we can use test time compute to reason longer to get better results for decision making ,
abundantliving_: with same sonnet 3.5 if Manus people are able to create manus. they must have used some clever way to achive this.
abundantliving_: If with Sonnet 3.5 Manus can achive some 68 or whatever on GAIA benchmark. I feel now models are also needed to be good , but how agentic capabilities are orchestrated. that matters more .
3ds0662: They fail on a lot of visual tests still
3ds0662: Agents won’t move from where they are now if the models multimodal understanding does not increase
anathemaofmankind: I guess I'm into anthropomorphic animals now
abundantliving_: lol


anathemaofmankind: It's going to be great
anathemaofmankind: So far it's looking like the future's gonna slowly cascade into misery
anathemaofmankind: We either go extinct or in dystopian hellscape
aero447: Same with combat sports bid farewell to UFC, boxing etc because you're waifu can crush Ali and Tyson together with an arm behind their backs.
aero447: They are an OOM beyond humans, if we have catgirls it's OVER for the Olympics.
aero447: Human visual reaction time: ~200-250 milliseconds (ms).
Human auditory reaction time: ~150-170 ms.
Human touch reaction time: ~130-150 ms.
Cat reaction time: Estimates vary, but generally considered much faster, maybe in the 20-70 ms range.
aero447: Has anyone concluded that their beloved catgirl waifu completely wrecks human competitive sports?
aero447: Guys.
.wolfnacht: I need R1 (new) or R2
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/mao-deepseek-hop-on-deepseek-smoking-china-gif-6881475073174756191
.histic: https://x.com/btibor91/status/1914941343081906372
drewsni: I mean yeah that’s a dumb statement to make since even flash can do that well, pro 2.5 will routinely spit out 2500 loc scrips and refactor, plus others at the same time
spicy.lemonade: it always ages badly
spicy.lemonade: why do people keep making these statement
juweigege_54993: Or ASI.
juweigege_54993: Xi Jinping.
joaoluz19: The machine God
spicy.lemonade: whoever controls ASI
juweigege_54993: I will return to Base reality after a few years in FDVR, so I should be the Queen.
spicy.lemonade: ceo or US president of the time
spicy.lemonade: probably some ceo
spicy.lemonade: realistically
spicy.lemonade: me
joaoluz19: I like the idea of completely letting go of fear, stress and anxiety rather than what the external world would be like.
.histic: i think i'll try to blow up a planet just for fun
.histic: who will be the ruler of base reality?
juweigege_54993: It shouldn't be. It should be free and let people be in the matrix forever.
spicy.lemonade: soon itl be millions
himekokatagiri: alright need some sleep chat went way too speculative
himekokatagiri: she's amazing
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/suzuha-best-girl-eco-anime-steins-gif-26014842
juweigege_54993: I hope it's real.
spicy.lemonade: thats what US is built off of
himekokatagiri: look suzuha is awesome
spicy.lemonade: self determination
himekokatagiri: I'm not that obsessed
spicy.lemonade: freedom to choose your own path
spicy.lemonade: liberal part means
.histic: yeah, it will predict or know your obsession with suzuha.
it will be fed ur slop.
it's over.
spicy.lemonade: liberal democracy is broad term


himekokatagiri: isn't that what usually happens
ebbenflos_25799: it seems so, the mods really are being lazy huh
himekokatagiri: I'm surprised reddit power mods didn't take the sub over
zonchao: mods dgaf<:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: the sub is a lost cause, don't bother
himekokatagiri: I don't like backseat moderating
ebbenflos_25799: Has to be, all my other ones get shadowbanned
himekokatagiri: 🤷♂ is your account new
ebbenflos_25799: Fractal cant see my messages
ebbenflos_25799: i tried messaging the mods to take it down but im just perpetually shadow banned from reddit
himekokatagiri: they're trying to communicate to a very specific kind of person
himekokatagiri: that thread isn't for us
ebbenflos_25799: and all the comments are just the same old tired "Putin, Musk, The Chinese will eat us whole, Empires only last 250 years, Rebel rebel" type bullshit
himekokatagiri: honestly I'm more concerned if the americans run the world economy to the ground
ebbenflos_25799: true..
himekokatagiri: you can spin it against the US admin
himekokatagiri: hits all the keywords
himekokatagiri: it kinda isn't
ebbenflos_25799: honestly im hoping so, but thats still pretty odd, its weird they're going after this reddit thread.
himekokatagiri: anthropology would be fascinated
himekokatagiri: all that
himekokatagiri: future historians
himekokatagiri: I think we should archive this shit man
himekokatagiri: they're all bots pay no heed
ebbenflos_25799: the thread is getting pretty bad, i think it should be locked
ebbenflos_25799:
himekokatagiri: idk how the Americans do it
himekokatagiri: can't it be done via telework
himekokatagiri: 🚬
ebbenflos_25799: Hello, this thread is getting out of hand, people are using it to talk about conspiracies and spreading weird political propaganda, its honestly just becoming a nuisance https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/6CF0tUVGEr
a1c4p0ne: Try to get it to an hour or more
.histic: still going lol
.histic: this is a weird glitch with o3
drewsni: tables for dayz
drewsni: So they distilled o3 into 4o?
brain4brain: <@1152183706849644615> Can’t get to your main Gary Marcus account on twitter, so here’s the discord version

Get reading, Gary
brain4brain: He is an 2025er
zoermena: Aero should read this
clevermoniker: haha, nice
zoermena: Elon is correct that 2029 will be a pivotal year just as every year after 2027 until the universe dies or hopefully we discover other realities so forever


himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660
himekokatagiri: reddit duh
fuhulootogan: guess
himekokatagiri: How did you find this discord
fuhulootogan: dunno
wellmeaningalien: lets be frank ppl gonna be showing gore and scat
himekokatagiri: <@1212375743863066645> do you believe in the singularity
fuhulootogan: what would be the point of engineering yourself to have an IQ of 2 billion when AI has all your needs covered for you
joaoluz19: The smartest human being on the post-human horizon is just the smartest termite
joaoluz19: Fellas worrying about IQ when it's 2 decades before everyone has an IQ of 2 billion
.wolfnacht: nah, cutie...u'r smart
.wolfnacht: Grok added workspace mode.
joaoluz19: Worse, you become a propagandist
fuhulootogan: mental ads?
joaoluz19: Bro first episode of black mirror is literally this
.wolfnacht: also why sonnet on bedrock always stays down ? i checked last week it was still red.
fuhulootogan: mocking me about what
.wolfnacht: >Grok 3's API

i would have become a Ayylon supporter if grok-3 api prices weren't like claude.
technocake.: I was mocking you actually
fuhulootogan: how do you figure out if someone is a polymath just from "textbook teenage edgelord"
technocake.: no I knew because you are a textbook teenage edgelord
fuhulootogan: thats how you knew?
fuhulootogan: oh wow
technocake.: you should ask them
technocake.: and even more strange things beyond that?
technocake.: would your parents like it if I told them you were in a server that promoted not just trans and gay lifestyles but also furry ones?
fuhulootogan: how did you guess
technocake.: wow, a real polymath!
fuhulootogan: i've seen the cover for inglorious bastards but not the movie
technocake.: oh sorry you might not have seen that film, because you are a minor
technocake.:
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/wojak-brainlet-microwave-smoke-dumb-gif-3026155548321433372
spacetimetsunami: ACCELERATE GO GO GO GO GO
spacetimetsunami: they need to hurry up with super good agents
spacetimetsunami: yeah to an extent i see that as likely, like with an intelligence explosion i think this happens
technocake.: nobody will be able to go up against superintelligence
technocake.: I think that the coming wave will sweep past the significance of government and world gov pretty quickly
spacetimetsunami: so idrk
spacetimetsunami: but im talking about things without a meaningful amount of technical knowledge in the topic
spacetimetsunami: although he is fucking shit up pretty quick so who knows


joaoluz19: by the state of consciousness you have when knowing things beyond our capacity
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc0StUPq61k
joaoluz19: For personal use off course
wellmeaningalien: lol this one's invasive
wellmeaningalien: oh nvm they do showcase it
wellmeaningalien: fuck this video is ass
wellmeaningalien: thats the whole field of non invasive brain computer interfaces
wellmeaningalien: neuralink is just a more precise version of TMS but i think transcranial stimulation using magnets has also been used in BCIs
fuhulootogan: make it like neuralink
fuhulootogan: how do you
fuhulootogan: now
wellmeaningalien: but if you could identify the neuronal pathways that correspond to suicidal ideation, death, depression, exasperation, violence, what have you
wellmeaningalien: and so with TMS you get those pathways working again
wellmeaningalien: the thing with depression is i think some parts of the brains are inactive and stimulation deprived
fuhulootogan: genius plan
fuhulootogan: instead of fighting depression you reverse it make it more severe and make them suicidal
wellmeaningalien: indeed so
fuhulootogan: this
wellmeaningalien: because what you do with transcranial stimulation is poke a charged probe to draw electric current thru ur brain. and magneticism is the same but at a distance thru magnetic fields
wellmeaningalien: effectively another form of transcranial stimulation
wellmeaningalien: it's already used for getting reads for medical purposes and even might have applications for medical treatment
fuhulootogan: sounds freaky af
wellmeaningalien: i think reading neurons firing has gotten way way more precise too
wellmeaningalien: magnetic cranial stimulation and reading
fuhulootogan: elaborate
wellmeaningalien: not quite so far most approaches are magnetic based
otub: cant avoid eventual nanotech <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
fuhulootogan: organic bluetooth?
wellmeaningalien: did u know there are also non invasive technologies that can do the same as neuralink
fuhulootogan: i don't want technology inside of my neurocranium
wellmeaningalien: u activate the right combination of memories and thought patterns and u make them super suicidal
wellmeaningalien: that was a joke but if you can make an llm think only of the golden gate bridge you could make someone think only about suicide
wellmeaningalien: i think they could
otub: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711008358815236147/1214255997074415766/invert.gif
fuhulootogan: emm i'm not sure
wellmeaningalien: they could make you kill yourself like the death note
wellmeaningalien: cyberpsychosis
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/edgerunners-cyberpsychosis-sandevistan-cyberpunk-gif-27165868
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/losing-my-mind-insane-crazy-cat-deep-fried-gif-17402418435549323051
fuhulootogan: imagine neuralink users getting hacked


anathemaofmankind: This convo makes me want to study math so the terms don't fly over my head.

But then I remember AI will make it pointless
fractalcomputer: And the end result is that we have a bunch of the brightest minds in mathematics and leading figures in their respective fields having a disagreement that no one else has the expertise to resolve.
spicy.lemonade: lol
fractalcomputer: And then Joshi, a respected American researcher has come along for the ride and claims to provide a modified *working* version of Mochizuki's theory; something that Mochizuki hasn't taken very kindly to.
fractalcomputer: But Scholze, the popular star of arithmetic geometry and p-adic geometry etc. thinks that there's a flaw at a central corollary; and has procured extensive resources to study IUTT, even going so far as to visit Mochizuki with several other researchers to talk it out; but Mochizuki's hostile (and frankly bizarre) conduct have driven Scholze and most of Western academia to conclude that IUTT is deeply flawed and unworkable.
fractalcomputer: The problem with Mochizuki is that he's an actual leading researcher in Anabelian Geometry; so people couldn't just dismiss his work as nonsense.
spicy.lemonade: just cant convey well
spicy.lemonade: it probably makes perfect sense in his mind
spicy.lemonade: I feel bad for him
fractalcomputer:
spicy.lemonade: wtf bro
spicy.lemonade: 😭
fractalcomputer: The comments are hilarious.
fractalcomputer: Mochizuki produced this "visualisation" of IUTT.
fractalcomputer: https://youtu.be/6HCz1tFqIcs?si=2kjqFDw0-HQChipu
spicy.lemonade: getting agi
spicy.lemonade: without us yet
spicy.lemonade: im saying that llms could still lead to big scientific breakthroughs
spicy.lemonade: just for this specific case
anathemaofmankind: You're still betting on llms for the future?
fractalcomputer: I disagree.
spicy.lemonade: i think a future llm based model could definetly formalize that
fractalcomputer: Interuniversal Teichmüller Theory.
spicy.lemonade: ah
fractalcomputer: Yes, it does. That's the big problem.
spicy.lemonade: might be thinking of the wrong person
spicy.lemonade: Mochizuki's solution involved some new field he invented
spicy.lemonade: though if i recal
spicy.lemonade: model could possibly make a concrete lean program for that
spicy.lemonade: loll
fractalcomputer: I'd much more like to have a proof verifier smart enough to get through that whole Scholze-Joshi-Mochizuki debacle.
memlaswaif: <:despair:1347430559365726279>
brain4brain: Exactly
spicy.lemonade: we will all see when gpt5 drops
memlaswaif: Whats the difference between roon and brain4brain
brain4brain: Real
spicy.lemonade: yann doesnt think o3 is llm
brain4brain: What else am I missing?
brain4brain: Everything he said up to this point is equivalent

>LLM won’t get us to AGI
>AGI in 10 years if lucky
>Current AI is stupid
spicy.lemonade: yann said not in 2 years but between 5 years


st.sioux: burgundy
st.sioux: its pantone 1815 c you degenerate swine
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes
frittata: Burgundy to me has more brown in it
hikukomoru: Can you tldr what you just wrote
wellmeaningalien: one ts

two ts

blue ts

red ts

fool me once, shame on ts

fool me twice..

pmo...
alejandrozarzuelo: Both are valid names if you think the value is low enough
alejandrozarzuelo: The same thing
alejandrozarzuelo: Wine or burgundy
frittata: I will allow wine also
alejandrozarzuelo: It wasn't that hard was it?
alejandrozarzuelo: SEE
alejandrozarzuelo: Let's take red as a reference

Is it bluer than pure red or greener?

It's bluer

Is it redder than magenta? Or bluer? It's redder

So we know it's between magenta and red

Is it redder than Rose? About the same? Or magentisher?

It's about the same or a bit redder

Is it saturated? What is the value?

It's saturated enough not to be a Gray, and it's value is low

If you think the value is low enough, then it's low value between magenta and red aka wine coloured

If you think it's not that low, you can call it either rose or crimson
frittata: Probs magenta tbh
frittata: I was being generous, it’s maroon or magenta
hikukomoru:
a1c4p0ne: Analyze*
wellmeaningalien: <:nerdbob:1282544269995020329> <:nerdass:998417173406040064>
wellmeaningalien: ok nerdjandro
wellmeaningalien: in my house we have a pink/maroon box and my mother always insists its brown
alejandrozarzuelo: Let's analyse this together

(I feel like I am talking to toddlers)
alejandrozarzuelo: Wtf you people don't know your chromatic vocabulary?
alejandrozarzuelo: No
wellmeaningalien: the furrification of this server
frittata: <:umidonotseeit:832825159576190986>
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/super-buu-stare-dragon-ball-majin-buu-dragonball-gif-14250919658481755660
wellmeaningalien: you too bene..
hikukomoru:
st.sioux: catgirl escape velocity
frittata: :3
wellmeaningalien: HNHEV
wellmeaningalien: my head fucking hurts when will AI get us to head not hurt escape velocity
zoermena: <:BlushFluent:865334807902027848>
hikukomoru: It's purplish of some sort
wellmeaningalien: ok mr blindman
frittata: Could be red could be purple could be maroon
hikukomoru: That's not red bruh
wellmeaningalien: "if it's germane to the chat" even without fractal we are not safe from big words
a1c4p0ne: No new models today or tmr
technocake.: check it out I am red now


trojan09205: "I’m not even close to running out btw lmao."

Homie is flexing
okbut: The amount of theatric code in Mr Nobody is also underlooked
All the color coding, the leaf, the train, the butterfly
Seamed perfectly into each scene to represent its impact
One of the underlooked ones is the butterfly flying through frame as the shoe salesman tests the integrity of the shoelace, which snapped when he tested it - because butterflies chew on cotton
trojan09205: 'Holy Mountain' as well a few weeks back
trojan09205: I also watched 'Enemy' which it recommended which was insane haha
trojan09205: I watched 'Only God Forgives' earlier and now im watching 'Beyond the Black Rainbow'
trojan09205: I have seen it- it's great
trojan09205: gpt 4o
okbut: Watch Mr. Nobody
Most underlooked movie in the world IMO
a1c4p0ne: Which model
okbut: They fund that one <:PepeSmug:539547968223576076>
trojan09205: chatGPT has been recommending some seriously fire and trippy films
spicy.lemonade: Is crazy
spicy.lemonade: The jump from o1 with 1-2% frontier math to o3 mini high getting 32% with tools
spicy.lemonade: Than 4o
spicy.lemonade: On longcontext understanding
spicy.lemonade: And o1 gets less
spicy.lemonade: O1 gets like 2% on arcagi😭
professorheaven: Then show o1
professorheaven: Please tell me how much 4 gets on all of those benchmarks?
spicy.lemonade: With o1
spicy.lemonade: Benchmarks we couldn’t even crack
spicy.lemonade: Frontier math
spicy.lemonade: Arc agi
spicy.lemonade: Like Long context understanding
spicy.lemonade: We can look at other benchmarks as well though
professorheaven: o1 got 75%
professorheaven: Original 4 couldn’t even crack 10% on AIME
professorheaven: Dude o3 is like an extra 20% max on stem benchmarks over o1, o1 is like an extra 50% on a bunch of stem benchmarks over original 4
spicy.lemonade: By 2.5 and other models like 3.7 thinking
spicy.lemonade: You guys are blinded
spicy.lemonade: It’s yes bro
.histic: couldn't be me
spicy.lemonade: Who voting no😭
ldj:
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/doodlestein/status/1915796841712468030?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
a1c4p0ne: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/s/y3yjryNKJr
playstation.6: I remember it like that
technocake.: cat is called norse?
playstation.6: its Norse man
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwu5K_eRN3E


fractalcomputer: So much in that excellent formula
zonchao: true
destrucules: By all means, get the bag, and by all means, express your opinion if you're in a position of power. But the people who *listen* need to be aware of the incentives
futurist_wizard: Using the polls to gauge the reaction
zonchao: nah get the bag 🤑
futurist_wizard: Maybe he's testing the waters on how much he'd be willing to reveal
destrucules: It's not even specifically directional. If you were financially entangled with AI, any timeline you give would be shaped by those incentives. Fast timelines if hype is needed; slow ones if you're trying to avoid regulation. It's not something you'd be able to help, as the structure of your position would demand this of you
destrucules: Personally, I feel like you should be concerned about all of the "no" votes. I mean, if you want blind followers, that's... You do you. But if your goal is to be taken seriously on the merits of your ideas, I think it's concerning that many of these people would not factor in the major financial incentives that shape the opinions you're *allowed* to express, within these hypotheticals. I find this very concerning, and I'm hoping you do too
alejandrozarzuelo: have you done the visualizator?
alejandrozarzuelo: <@312370916820779040>
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
destrucules: It will be able to do it if allowed/asked. Like... It may need resources. You may have to give it time, lab equipment, autonomy, etc.
.tenshine: let us dream bruh
st.sioux: lots of ifs there bro
.tenshine: If we can tweak dna, proteins and molecules without the need of sophisticated nanotechnology and "if" that's all that is needed to achieve aging reversal, i can picture it for early 30's
sarik0497: Yeah, but it still makes me wonder how long it'll be until such things are feasible. I know San's prediction for LEV is 80% confidence in maybe 2035
.tenshine: I'm not crazy about space flight this can wait, first thing first we need lifespan
.tenshine: You mean straight up anti aging because LEV is much more easy achievable
sarik0497: I'd have assumed that the insanely interesting stuff like LEV and space flight would require at least a lot of time or ASI <:Hmm:956951826933112842>
wellmeaningalien: Oh now there is no sound for we all live underground
.tenshine: I think most of us animals will look confused
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-walking-walking-back-virtual-insanity-walking-reversed-walking-reversed-gif-10372581163346915305
gamerbath: it will be exciting to see what deepseek will release in the future, now that their models are actually competitive with closed source
sarik0497: Like, how will 2030-35 look
wellmeaningalien: Who can tell what magic spells will be doing for us
wellmeaningalien: Will probably make test time compute scaling much more effective while being less costly
sarik0497: What I'm curious about, is how the world would potentially look like if AGI is achieved so sudden.
wellmeaningalien: Really good for optimizing compute n shid
wellmeaningalien: Tho the model optimization techniques that they came up with are really cool
gamerbath: yea
wellmeaningalien: r1 is cool but eh
.tenshine: you mean after deepseek <:ez:1136267305521774634>
wellmeaningalien: I give it 2026-2028. 2030 latest
wellmeaningalien: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301330473964011520/1328740062631825418/Tumblr_l_166799240918295.gif
gamerbath: I was uncertain but then after o1 and o3 it seems plausible AGI is happening within a year
sarik0497: Nowadays, I'm honestly not to sure myself. Unless GPT-5 is a smash hit, I think 28-32 is most likely.
gamerbath: 25 or 26 seem very likely to me, but out of all these options it's most likely going to happen by 2029....
agezes:
futurist_wizard: it was 2029
futurist_wizard: it wasn't before 2029


spicy.lemonade: THE INTERNATIONAL MATH OLYMPIAD
spacetimetsunami: This is really funny.
spicy.lemonade: lmaoo
spicy.lemonade: do you know what the imo is?
czdct: gotcha
czdct: you mean the data coming from multi billion dollar tech companies
shirethedreamer: there can be no proof other than just getting there
thats always the case
you either believe the trend lines or you dont and thats okay
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: what else
spicy.lemonade: llms achieve gold on international math olympiad, gold on physics olympiad, gold on coding olympiad, publkish research in iclr
czdct: if he does I would change my opinion
czdct: I say it's utter nosnense since he has no proof for it
spicy.lemonade: given all data is against you
czdct: the burden of proof isn't on me. ilya says that current llm's will reach agi without any explanation to how
spicy.lemonade: the burden of proof is on you atp
spicy.lemonade: this is useless
spicy.lemonade: and stop making blank statements
spicy.lemonade: support you claim
spicy.lemonade: im asking you questions
czdct: hyping up stuff and then starting a company
spicy.lemonade: youre making claims and youre not supporting them
spacetimetsunami: And those funds are gonna go to…not making AGI?
czdct: same thing happened with murati
czdct: literally creating hype to get funds for his company
spicy.lemonade: based on what
czdct: the whole notion ilya has that an LLM can reach agi is just utter nonsense
spicy.lemonade: which is?
spacetimetsunami: If someone tries for two seconds to make something written and doesn’t want it to be obviously AI, nobody would know
czdct: and even that it isn't really good at since people can instantly tell when something is written with ai
spicy.lemonade: gpt changed trajectory of technology
czdct: if your job requires a more than a bachelors degree I doubt that gpt will help you besides with writing emails
spacetimetsunami: Yeah. We’re now in an arms race to AGI - that’s what they’re literally fucking calling it
shirethedreamer: if by "nothing" you mean more and more complicated code being written by ai than was predicted for that time then yeah nothing happened
spicy.lemonade: clusters
spicy.lemonade: internet usage
spicy.lemonade: amount of data generated
spicy.lemonade: investment, usage
spicy.lemonade: look where the money is going
czdct: nor in anyone's around me
spicy.lemonade: it did


spicy.lemonade: in his last interview
fractalcomputer: Oh sure, about non-consequential advancements and publication dates.
spicy.lemonade: he shortened btw
anathemaofmankind: Compared him to Gary is just crazy
spicy.lemonade: before true agi
brain4brain: Are you a Gary agent?
spicy.lemonade: we could likeley have a model that solves a milenium problem
brain4brain: Citing Yann is like citing Gary
spicy.lemonade: dont think it matters much honestly lol
brain4brain: >Yann

Opinion rejected
brain4brain: ASI*
brain4brain:
spicy.lemonade: prob means agi 2027
anathemaofmankind: Yann says AGI in 5-10 years if everything goes great.

So AGI in 2030 - 2035
brain4brain: Next day I was proven wrong
spicy.lemonade: not really a few thousand days more like 1 thousand days
brain4brain: And I said that LLM is sample inefficient
brain4brain: A day before arc is cracked roon tweeted saying arc is a perception problem not the other problem or something
brain4brain: It have always been right
brain4brain: It lines up:

Sam Altman: few thousand days from ASI (1 year ago)
~~Goon~~ Roon: 150 weekends (today)
fractalcomputer: Many researchers larp as well.
fractalcomputer: "Public timelines" my fucking ass. Give reasons to believe whatever bullshit you have to peddle other than having some vague connections to the industry.
spicy.lemonade: exept maybe jimmy apple
spicy.lemonade: everyone else is a larper
brain4brain: (Before 2030)
spicy.lemonade: only ones you should believe are the actual researchers lol
brain4brain: ASI shall happen
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/paul-atreides-lisan-al-gaib-muad-dib-dune-2-part-2-gif-6652943365664618564
brain4brain: Something ever happen
fractalcomputer: Yeah, well I am a bit galled by this new culture of Twitter prophets.
brain4brain: It’s so over 😔
fractalcomputer: We don't have the boosts anymore.
brain4brain: - NYT, December 8th 1903
spicy.lemonade: imagine saying nothing ever happens during 1940, or 2000, or 2009
anathemaofmankind: Capitalism
brain4brain: What happen to this server
brain4brain: Why is all the emoji locked behind a paywall now
spicy.lemonade: something always happens youre just never watching
anathemaofmankind: Nothing ever happens
brain4brain: Believe in the ASI, Fractual.


literallyvarane: What the break even time on those machines?
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, it would be a food place where you get something super simple super quick for super cheap
theaiguy69420_89814: The bots would be fine tuned for specific menus
literallyvarane: How much you paying people to stock the machine? How much does the machine cost? How much does maintenance cost? How often?
theaiguy69420_89814: Neo and figure are getting good
theaiguy69420_89814: I think it's doable maybe in like 9mo
alejandrozarzuelo: that will take some time
alejandrozarzuelo: but to 0?
alejandrozarzuelo: you can probably cut it down to 10 right now with androids, and soon to 2
theaiguy69420_89814: At 24/7 places that's 200k/month
theaiguy69420_89814: That's 300$/hr in savings right there
theaiguy69420_89814: Think of your average McDonald's, right, there's like 20 employees, each getting paid some 15$/hr
alejandrozarzuelo: but 100% is still not possible
alejandrozarzuelo: 90% automation can be imlemented sure
literallyvarane: If Starbucks hasn’t done it it’s for a reason.
wolf3404: Bro robots can barely walk
alejandrozarzuelo: i feel like we arent there yet
theaiguy69420_89814: It would be open 24/7
theaiguy69420_89814: Can't a robot do that as well?
theaiguy69420_89814: You mean the cleaning of the robots?
theaiguy69420_89814: Robots can clean the machinery, no?
literallyvarane: Muh maintenance and cleanliness
literallyvarane: Not much cheaper probably
theaiguy69420_89814: I wonder how fast and cheap we could get a mcdouble
alejandrozarzuelo: "oh barely anything has happened in over 100 years because look, we used computers in 1880 and we still use them today"
theaiguy69420_89814: All humanoids
theaiguy69420_89814: How about a fast food joint with no human employees
theaiguy69420_89814: I was thinking about an AI startup idwa
wolf3404: exactly
alejandrozarzuelo: is wrong
alejandrozarzuelo: my point is that saying that nothing has happened in 100 years because we call the same thing two different products
literallyvarane: The point is that the second one exist at all.
literallyvarane: The point isn’t that it’s the closest possible comp lolol
alejandrozarzuelo: modern cars are not just more powerful, efficient, use different fuels and are faster

most importantly they are several orders of magnitude safer
literallyvarane: Feel like you’d get mad at the wright brothers vs space shuttle comp too lol
alejandrozarzuelo: they are called the same but they are fundamentally different concepts and products
alejandrozarzuelo: or the same way you can call papyrus and modern paper paper
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah no

you can call both of them cars the same way that you can call a rotary phone and a samsung galaxy phones
wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651
literallyvarane: Forest for the trees


futurist_wizard: My country was the greatest invaders of all time
okbut: The audacity of the other 7 billion to have internet
alejandrozarzuelo: In most other southern Chinese provinces it's quite common

Not so much in northern China
rayanquitplayin: Bro y’all are all international
hikukomoru: Biggest Spain hater and proud <:ez:1136267305521774634>
okbut: Lots of cultures have a day nap, it's an alloted time here in Taiwan
alejandrozarzuelo: I am a fennec UwU

I like hot dry climate
rayanquitplayin: Hater
futurist_wizard: I may visit spain or Portugal this year but i hate hot weather
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't like my climate
alejandrozarzuelo: True
hikukomoru: Damn
Imagine living in the hellhole that is Spain and then not even having a good climate to make up for it
alejandrozarzuelo: But it's quite common, I see plenty of people napping here when it's a nice sunny day
futurist_wizard: I usually take naps on top of people's cars
alejandrozarzuelo: I live in the not sunny part of Spain
alejandrozarzuelo: Sad thing, where I live there are not that many sunny days
alejandrozarzuelo: I also take naps on the city centre sometimes, but I prefer the park
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes, on sunny days yes
hikukomoru: Is this normal in spain
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes
futurist_wizard: The hardest working Spanish male
alejandrozarzuelo: Hardest working people in Spain be like:
alejandrozarzuelo: No, this is a very hard-working Spanish cleaner of course
futurist_wizard: Is this you when you were homeless?
spicy.lemonade: Google dropped a lot and also nothing at the same time
alejandrozarzuelo: Gotta respect the siesta
alejandrozarzuelo: People napping on the streets
hikukomoru: It's nice if you have money
Most of us are very poor by western standards
alejandrozarzuelo: Classical day in Spain
alejandrozarzuelo:
trent_k: basically different standardized tests for LLMs to measure their performance in various categories of tasks
theaiguy69420_89814: Portuguese people are hell scapes
alejandrozarzuelo: It is by US standards
futurist_wizard: I thought Portugal was meant to be quite a nice place
rayanquitplayin: What does the benchmark thing mean? (GPQA, LCB, MMLU-Pro)
hikukomoru: This is true
I hope to participate in the long Portuguese tradition of getting the fuck out of this country
futurist_wizard: I fought with a Portuguese kid in high school
hikukomoru: Because Portugal sucks
So tons of us move out
okbut:
okbut: Hope y'all are investing in Google after their latest partnership


theaiguy69420_89814: It's funny how my kinks are both male submission and race play
trent_k: but you can just write code to automaticallly call the API however you want, it's not very restricted
fractalcomputer: Overall sexuality is an activity devoid of any humanity.
trent_k: the intended use of the API is that your browser will use Javascript to call this API and use the data it returns to display the contents of the page on the website
hikukomoru: Elon needs to cure my autism ASAP
literallyvarane: Maybe I don’t know enough about how Roblox works to understand this lol. I still don’t know what api this is, or what the intended use of the API is
fractalcomputer: Some moralist could certainly see male submission as equally horrendous and abominable.
trent_k: after enough rounds of this search method, you end up with a pretty complete list of all the bad groups
trent_k: 4. return to step 1
trent_k: 3. sort the groups that haven't been manually scored by their suspected badness score in descending order, then start manually marking those groups as either fine or bad myself
trent_k: 2. generate a score wherein the badness score of a group that hasn't been manually rated is calculated as the number of known bad users divided by the number of total users
zonchao: https://x.com/business/status/1915099767752839357
hikukomoru: Not surprised right-wingers have the most fucked up fetishes
trent_k: 1. scrape all groups that 'bad' members are in
trent_k: manually identify some "bad" groups and mark them as flagged, and mark all their users as flagged
trent_k: then
trent_k: that's the seeding process
trent_k: 3. for every user, start scraping all the groups that they're in
trent_k: 2. scrape every member of the group via the API and store the user data
trent_k: 1. find a couple large groups on the website manually and save their group IDs
trent_k: the way the process worked for scraping was like this
fractalcomputer: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
literallyvarane: How are you seeing the avatar via api? What does the api provide?
trent_k: you dont hate roblox enough
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-tongue-malicious-devious-gif-24541958
fractalcomputer: What the fuck.
trent_k: so for race play you might see users with black skinned avatars and names like "14in_BULL_WANT_SNOBUNNY"
trent_k: roblox has some basic filtering of stuff ur not allowed to put in a group or username but they always find a way around it
trent_k: nor are the users' names
trent_k: the groups' names are really not very subtle
literallyvarane: What’s the API *actually* for?
fractalcomputer:
literallyvarane: But what info are they sharing that makes you think they’re doing race play etc etc. like what’s the identifying vector here?
gamerbath: 2030? more like 174 trillion <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1915119333493387753
trent_k: there's not a blog post or anything, but I posted about it a number of times on kiwi farms
theaiguy69420_89814: even <@1068159407671754824>
theaiguy69420_89814: <@266232329557639168> , might be helpful: https://www.cursor.com/changelog/0-49
trent_k: and rendered it into that network graph
trent_k: and then I scraped a few million roblox users' and groups' info


himekokatagiri: Biding time for the o3 reveal
literallyvarane: Hereby announcing myself as a marketing consultant. $150k/year starting fee.
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/satori-orientalzenzai-touhou-touhou-project-komeiji-gif-6435586850422462019
literallyvarane: Fire their marketing team.
literallyvarane: This clowns missed the chance to tweet at 9:56am.

“Livestream on o3 hours and o4m”
thedon7075: finally we get to see if o3 is real or hype
literallyvarane: I’m generally of this opinion, but Altman said o3 has gotten stronger since the preview so *maybe* it’s >2.5? We’ll see.
zonchao: no
himekokatagiri: maybe
himekokatagiri: Better image gen
zonchao: new model big number
mtj8920: Why people so excited about o3? Gemini 2.5 pro exp beats it in GPQA and AIME, and is free with unlimited uses. o3 uses a lot more compute than o1, so it might be even more expensive than o1, which is already waaay more expensive than 2.5.
o4-mini is more interesting, because it shows which trajectory we're heading to and progress.
.0xunkn0wn: let's gooo
metaldragon01: Hasn't been Thursday for a bit
zonchao: new rule ig
zonchao: fr?
metaldragon01: Last big release was Wednesday too I think
zonchao: they are breaking the thursday rule this is unacceptable
metaldragon01: The unknown unknowns are the problem
metaldragon01: Every model o4 and up will obviously be dangerous in ways that are hard to measure. It's going to be a tricky dance.
abundantliving_: They released some blog post for access restrictions on future models. I couldn't read
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> as Google's strongest soldier what's your opinion
zonchao: o4 mini tomorrow 🤔
zonchao: yes mini
metaldragon01: Full o4 likely won't get access outside of products due to safety for a while
ldj: It seems they only plan to release o3 full and o4-mini, and maybe O3 pro this month but not O4. Might have to wait another 3 or 4 months before O4 drops.
zoermena: <@471334973379706900> HYPE
metaldragon01: Expect o3 mini to o1 pro dynamic imo
hey1_1hey: o3 was already 2700 elo out of a max of 3k on code forces
metaldragon01: they wouldn't release full o3 at a higher price if o4 mini at a lower price was better
hey1_1hey: Remember that tweet where they said they imrpvoed o3 by quite a bit <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: Yeah prob
zonchao: hmm
metaldragon01: Likely both today
zonchao: tomorrow is o4 ig?
hey1_1hey: True, I kept seeing rumors on twitter and I was thinking there was no chance
metaldragon01: Looks like the smoke has fire afterall
hey1_1hey: <@1280414635836837992> actually beat me to it <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ldj: Damn barely beat me to it
hey1_1hey: That would be amazing, I dont see why they wouldn't honestly. Theeres been leaks of the cover art of o4-mini among other thins


spacetimetsunami: Do you like type o negative
fractalcomputer: You should play classical music or throat singing at a maximal volume.
spicy.lemonade: I’m right next door
spicy.lemonade: I’m serious
st.sioux: someone took over spicy
spicy.lemonade: No way
st.sioux: wtf
spicy.lemonade: Guy must have a 12 inches
spicy.lemonade: Whole fooor can hear
spicy.lemonade: Bunch of people came next to door
spicy.lemonade: Loll
spicy.lemonade: The guy is going crazy
st.sioux: 👁👁
fractalcomputer: She better keep the fetish posting to a minimum.
spicy.lemonade: She’s so loud
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: The girl next door is loud as hell
777agical: AI is THE art <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.wolfnacht: also, i don't know the history of these pony fetish. How did it break captured the minds of neckbeards on internet ?
fractalcomputer: Huh.
hey1_1hey: Fuck art, Make machines
.wolfnacht: AI can produce slop too, but also masterpieces. Human especially the `modern artists` can only produce slop. Since their moral bias and narrative conditioned mind will act against greater goals.
hikukomoru: Art make machines fuck*
st.sioux: crazy
st.sioux: how does it take like 3 messages to go from some shitty art to gooning again (replied to wrong person)
hey1_1hey: It sounds coherrent but it really isn;t
hey1_1hey: Or even art make fuck machines
hikukomoru: Or maybe you can read it as: Fuck, machines make art
hey1_1hey: Thats a fire quote
.wolfnacht: the question is why aren't we burning down "pony fuckers" ?
hey1_1hey: Hey one is better than the other thats all I'm saying
precariousworlds.: lol
fractalcomputer: It seems humans can produce slop just as well.
hikukomoru: Fuck machines, make art? Or - Fuck machines make art?
precariousworlds.: Ahahahahah
hey1_1hey: God it actually hurts looking at it
hey1_1hey: Oh my god ow
hey1_1hey: AHHHHHHHHH
precariousworlds.: Found the funniest yet
The my little pony 💀💀💀
.wolfnacht: i see


oooooooooog: the only winning move is not to play 🗣 🔥
fractalcomputer: Neumann invented game theory for that.
fractalcomputer: Pure, distilled retardation called "Us vs. Them mentality".
oooooooooog: just sounds like a discount philosopher
oooooooooog: how can someone even specialize in ethics
spicy.lemonade: idk, i just said it it will be smartest in every field
oooooooooog: i feel like i did
oooooooooog: did i aleady ask what  an ethicist is
fractalcomputer: ASI is when all the ethicists get thrown off high cliffs.
st.sioux: peer reviewed cope
oooooooooog: varifieble in under an hour depending on the length
oooooooooog: easy definition
oooooooooog: ASI is when it can make me a good fanfiction
fractalcomputer: That is called "shitty science."
oooooooooog: it's not a gut feeling if i surgically removed my gastrointestinal tract, is it?
st.sioux: that's all anyone really has until the future unfolds
fractalcomputer: And who would be the smartest human in history? Let alone in each conceivable field of human competence?
fractalcomputer: Most of the people here say these things based on nothing but gut feelings.
spicy.lemonade: agi but smartest human in history at eveything
retrerox: Thats why the key is multiple companies doing AI so they have a race to develop and be the 1st one to share it.
spicy.lemonade: china wouldnt
spicy.lemonade: anthropic said they wont
spicy.lemonade: openAI likeley wont give us asi acess
spicy.lemonade: even if opensource we wont be able to run on our feeble gpus
spicy.lemonade: agi max
retrerox: I think i shouldn't read this discord that much, it gives me anxiety 😵💫
spicy.lemonade: public doesnt need asi lol
oooooooooog: why did my son delete all of his messages
oooooooooog: i am pround of you son
metaldragon01: Advancement anywhere can be applied everywhere
metaldragon01: AI is a general purpose tech
spicy.lemonade: thats not the same
oooooooooog: nuclear war, meteor impact, von Neumann replicating probe invasion
metaldragon01: Sure...that's gonna happen
metaldragon01: Tell the military they can't use the latest version of AI and need to bear China
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: literally just remove access from leaders gpus
spicy.lemonade: wdym sure
metaldragon01: Ok sure keep thinking that
spicy.lemonade: slow


spicy.lemonade: Sam is always exited about these quality of life shit
hikukomoru: MikuGPT
spicy.lemonade: That ads up
spicy.lemonade: Yes
hikukomoru: Can I finally turn ChatGPT into a cute anime girl
spicy.lemonade: Ohhhhh
futurist_wizard: Even as a kid i was like.. thats it?
spicy.lemonade: Hmmmm
spicy.lemonade: Avatar?
futurist_wizard: Avatar was so mid
hikukomoru: Avatars 😲
metaldragon01: Face to the voice
himekokatagiri: what's an avatar
metaldragon01: Avatars let's gooo?
futurist_wizard: It is a use case but a rarely utilized one
anathemaofmankind: Do you think necessary species will go extinct in our lifetimes. Doubt
spicy.lemonade: Reasoning over image?
spicy.lemonade: The feature is visual
futurist_wizard: Well we have surely better ways of doing that
spicy.lemonade:
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/steaming-stressed-stress-girl-anime-gif-9411558708912965904
alejandrozarzuelo: like everyone?
hikukomoru: No 🫦 🫦
alejandrozarzuelo: people who want to live in an ecosystem?
himekokatagiri: what's wrong with anime
futurist_wizard:
himekokatagiri: personal space komoru chan
futurist_wizard:
anathemaofmankind: Who cares
hikukomoru: That's all that matters
hikukomoru: They're cute
alejandrozarzuelo: basically, these techniques will be useful to de-extinct species in the future so that ecosystems dont die
himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hikukomoru: Kiss Fractal
himekokatagiri: how can I trust someone that doesn't have an anime girl pfp
wellmeaningalien: because its effectively the first species that was brought back from extinction thru gene editing
himekokatagiri: clearly only the purple people here are trustworthy
forallhumanity: This is fake
alejandrozarzuelo: they explain it on their video
himekokatagiri: How can I get the purple role


spicy.lemonade: oh shit
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: deep research
spicy.lemonade: gonna try openAI deepresearch
spicy.lemonade: lol
ldj: /s.
ldj: 😔
ldj: Yes, it looks like the AIs are taking my job faster than I thought
fractalcomputer: Grok is being used to predict release dates now..?
spicy.lemonade: llama 4 late april
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: eleven labs q4
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 mid 2025
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: deeper research predicts drops
spicy.lemonade: R2 could drop any day
spicy.lemonade: Anything can happen
spicy.lemonade: Can’t wait for what’s in store next week
spicy.lemonade: will next week be a big week
spicy.lemonade: could basically walk it through creating your favoirte artists song
ailoveyoom: I want native voice to direct the vocals of the AI singers 🥺
spicy.lemonade: less posibilities
spicy.lemonade: and generate song
spicy.lemonade: native sounds & music would be easy to copyright
spicy.lemonade: but still not comparable to where image gen is today
spicy.lemonade: maybe dalle 3
mihrcelium: btsrsly, Suno v4 is definitely not dalle2 level any more. And you know how critical I was of it months back.
mihrcelium: How dare you.
spicy.lemonade: in terms of all this
spicy.lemonade: because suno is dalle 2 level
mihrcelium: OAI has more resources than Suno, and Suno is surviving despite the legal challenges.
spicy.lemonade: probably hard to stop copyright
ailoveyoom: They're also more protective of their IPs 🤔
ailoveyoom: I think more so than art/video
ailoveyoom: Music is a legal minefield, many powerful entities there
mihrcelium: Also surprised 11L haven't launched their model either. Their demo was, what, a year ago?
mihrcelium: I'm surprised OAI haven't launched anything in the gen music sphere.
spicy.lemonade: waiting on veo 3
mihrcelium: I auto-subbed to pro for Sora because I fell for the hype. 😦


zonchao: https://x.com/goodside/status/1905047891103678760?
hikukomoru: You care too much about random internet stranger's opinions
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-anime-gif-23820490
futurist_wizard: Its a empty shoe
maintcrew: few ppl have the dawg to be a professional hater, a lot of ppl just hate cuz its ugly
hikukomoru: So
maintcrew: ppl who hate ai just hate that it used to look ugly
maintcrew: hes on ozempic nowadays so not applicable anymore
anathemaofmankind: Aren't you a leftist
hikukomoru: There an extra hidden foot there
anathemaofmankind: This reminds of that area with bayle
futurist_wizard:
spacetimetsunami: Precisely
futurist_wizard:
zonchao: the only acceptable argument is that it's really good and it'll put them out of jobs, everything else is virtue signalling
spacetimetsunami: “AI is plagiarizing artists!!!”

Motherfucker if that’s plagiarism, then so is artists taking inspiration from other art. Just admit your huge stupid cope.
fractalcomputer: The gods who are only worshipped by the benthic dwellers commune with me in my dreams. They told me that a machine can never have a soul.
hikukomoru: My favourite Skyrim enemy the Drawyr 🙏
anathemaofmankind: Your indifference is inspiring to me.

I will start to act like this whenever someone else experiences harassment over other stuff
hikukomoru: "ermmm AI bad because no soul"
spicy.lemonade:
spacetimetsunami: It’s so funny
spacetimetsunami: Everyone sucks at making arguments abt why they hate it tho
futurist_wizard: I think its pretty good
futurist_wizard: He gave the character cat ears
hikukomoru: >Reddit hates AI
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-dont-ask-dont-care-dont-care-didnt-ask-we-dont-care-meme-gif-25334356
anathemaofmankind: That's so ass
futurist_wizard: Bruh
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: it's funny cus the only reason reddits making money is cus of ai
anathemaofmankind: Yeah even celebrities shitting on it
hikukomoru: Not anymore
futurist_wizard: Everyone hates ai
zonchao: they hate ai
zonchao: do you use reddit<:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: Singularity cancelled 🙏
hikukomoru: Waow some random guy on xitter said something
It's so over AI bros
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-15559601663074157456
futurist_wizard: