mihrcelium: It is ultimately unproductive to argue with luddites who are convinced they know enough to not know anything more than what they know.
.histic: 🤫 but that's a good thing, since they won't rate limit the shit out of that website.
.histic: when you search 'Gemini chatbot' on Google, it shows google.gemini.com
mihrcelium: Cool opinion, bro. So you have no idea how the fine art industry has embraced generative media over the last half decade, no idea how it has utilized blockchain technology to create markets specifically for digital and gen media, and no familiarity with the fine art space at all as indicated by your commentary. But you're attempting to argue with such strong conviction from a place of ignorance.

You're no different than the obnoxious anti-AI crowd on Reddit.
.histic: yeah, Google splitting them both isn't the best marketing choice lol
ldj: I was pointing out how you called a perceived lack of progress as "disappointing"

If I was implying you were a luddite, then I wouldn't have pointed that out, since a luddite would be happy by a lack of AI progress, not disappointed by it.
st.sioux: its basically a better and free version of gemini AND gemini advanced
st.sioux: damn, i was asking because i was wondering how many people knew about it
.histic: far less than Gemini's main website.
anathemaofmankind: I was critiquing how current AI methods worked because I wanted more progress in the industry.

A luddite would want for the opposite.

I still believe that we need more breakthroughs for AGI
st.sioux: i would do it myself but idk what youre using
st.sioux: can you check aistudio.google
.histic: here's a comparison for other labs
ldj: claiming something is realistic doesn't prove something about anything
ldj: saying "I was just being realistic" is not a productive response either, as anyone can say that about any point, just as me or Dario can equally say that Dario was just being realistic in the claims that you called ridiculous.
anathemaofmankind: I know what an nft is. I'm saying its use cases are nonexistent in real world terms.

It makes stuff "unique" through tokens in a blockchain, but you can just right click + paste their so called unique art pieces.

It's just worthless meta data
spicy.lemonade: Drop on weekends is funny
ldj: in that case, I can say "you implied support of luddites in those messages"
anathemaofmankind: You implied it
ldj: I've never once called you a luddite
anathemaofmankind: Why would this make me a luddite? I was just being realistic
mihrcelium: That seems like something you should investigate and inform yourself about *before* forming such strong opinions on the topic, no?
anathemaofmankind: Used how?
mihrcelium: "What's a use case."

"It's used by the biggest auction houses to sell this form of art."

"Oh. Ok. Thanks."
anathemaofmankind: I'm trying to have a genuine discourse.

What does the nft part do
ldj: Because you regularly show disdain and opposition to impressive claims of progress by mainstream AI figures. Like you called Darios statements "ludicrous"
and you've also said "the people in machine learning street talk server would disagree with you guys heavily"

and in a conversation about AI progress and scaling you said: "no it is disappointing"
anathemaofmankind: I am asking inquiries for it, am I not?
mihrcelium: Instead of progressively asking me more and more questions, you could acknowledge that I've answered yours instead of attempting to interrogate me in bad faith. That's obnoxious.
anathemaofmankind: "Novel generative art"

And what does this mean in your words? So AI does the art part, what does the NFT part do
mihrcelium: Do you know what Sotheby's is, <@578146630222741504>? Are you familiar with fine art brokers? Are you involved in any way with the art industry and/or specifically fine art?
.histic: damn, ChatGPT is getting 100+ million daily visitors..
mihrcelium: How many ways do I need to say "NFTs are used as a method amongst many others to sell novel generative art by the largest fine art auction houses on the planet" for you?
anathemaofmankind: I was asking you for use cases. A luddite would be aware of AI art can be used for, and dismiss it regardless.

If you can give me one genuine legitimate use case, I'll change my mind
mihrcelium: And look, it only took a slight topic shift for you to essentially become the very type of person you were just criticizing not even an hour ago. That's kind of amusing.
anathemaofmankind: And why do you think I would say "yes" to that question?
ldj: I've directly replied to your messages nearly 50 times, so yes.
anathemaofmankind: Lmao
mihrcelium: .
anathemaofmankind: You can literally just type one sentence
anathemaofmankind: So you can't give one


hey1_1hey: Do it again
hey1_1hey:
joaoluz19: I asked Sora to make them prettier and it actually did lol
hey1_1hey: Yeah like come on you got me fucked up
.histic:
.histic: we got AGI folks
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jjt3av/gpt4o_flawlessly_passes_the_wine_test/
spicy.lemonade: now ASI will make us kurgzgesagt comics for every new discovery it makes
gamerbath: now the input box has too much padding and there's too little spacing for between input box and messages :<
joaoluz19: Eew pure math
fractalcomputer: Indeed.
gamerbath: there was so much space here before between the message input thing and the actual messages
joaoluz19:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dipshinn-dipshinn2-gif-9308187791349236072
hey1_1hey: Monkey brain engaged
joaoluz19: Crazy that I was criticizing big tech and all it took was Sam allowing photos of hot women for me to forget
maintcrew: ok i guess? idk i havent used windows in 5 years i dont remember the names
hey1_1hey: silly light mode
hey1_1hey: This hurts my brain
hikukomoru: Holy based
hey1_1hey: How'd you know
maintcrew:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/linux-femboy-arch-cute-femboyrell-gif-12123850081067751237
st.sioux: no one calls it ytorrent bro
maintcrew: tf do u want me to use the greek letter or??
hey1_1hey: Like why on gods green earth would I want to play shitty mobile games ON YOUTUBE if I came there to WATCH VIDEOS
gamerbath: but guys, if you don't like the new discord look just relax, breath in and breathe out. In a week you won't find it so bad
maintcrew: i use linux lol i have a cli torrent program i dont use qbittorrent
st.sioux: > ytorrent

Lol
hikukomoru: didn't know you were chill like that
hey1_1hey: I keep getting recomended youtube "playables" and I keep hitting not interested and then they go for awhile and they come back
hikukomoru: Based qbittorrent user 🤝
joaoluz19: Ok thanks bro
hey1_1hey: Oh yeah I have that aswell
gamerbath: also the spacing between videos on my youtube for some rows is off
maintcrew: get qbittorrent if ur on windows
hikukomoru: Nevermind
maintcrew: hey tangential but ytorrent is considered malware in the dev community
hey1_1hey: I must be the sacrifical lamb
gamerbath: my youtube has been randomly selecting 4 or 5 for the past few months
hikukomoru: My YT looks fine


alejandrozarzuelo: sure, it can beat a 7 year old
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think 1 week is AGI wothy, its childhood levels of planning
alejandrozarzuelo: nah
spicy.lemonade: lol
trent_k: dudes who work bottom rung service jobs are definitely generally intelligent and i dont think most of them have a plan beyond a month or two into the future lol
trent_k: in that case i agree
spicy.lemonade: im saying 1 week is enough
spicy.lemonade: planning
spicy.lemonade: hes talking about 4 year long
trent_k: even the best models can't do something simple enough that 7 year olds do it for fun
trent_k: idk how "long" you'd consider the planning steps for pokemon or whatever
trent_k: not even "long"
spicy.lemonade: that it was agi
spicy.lemonade: if a model was able to do this
spicy.lemonade: i feel like the vast majority of people would vote "yes"
spicy.lemonade: elden ring can be beaten in 30-40 hours
spicy.lemonade: considering it can work 24/7 this would take atmost a week for most
spicy.lemonade: like one of the examples they give is "can it download any game on steam and beat it"
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/godfather-michael-corleone-al-pacino-suspicious-sus-gif-21778503
spicy.lemonade: I dont
spicy.lemonade: i base mine off benchmarks aswell you just think longer horizon planning is a requirement
alejandrozarzuelo: likewise
fractalcomputer: You know I mean most of these as jokes, right?
spicy.lemonade: in fact i havent met 2 people with the same definition
spicy.lemonade: everyone as far as im conscerned has a different definition
alejandrozarzuelo: hey at least i am giving a thing that can mostly be tested empirically
alejandrozarzuelo:
spicy.lemonade: or something like that
spicy.lemonade: you can go deep into the semantics as you want and say its not agi until it has the exact same structure as the human brian and we can prove it
alejandrozarzuelo: then what are we even talking about
fractalcomputer: I'd much rather drive myself to schizophrenia.
alejandrozarzuelo: if agi is whatever your heart feels like...
alejandrozarzuelo: it is important to have a pseudoempirical pseudo objective framework in order to be able to not talk past each other
spicy.lemonade: atleast in my circle at uni
trent_k: 📈
trent_k: ayyyyyy
spicy.lemonade: those who share my sentiments see the value in my predictions
spicy.lemonade: subjective
gamerbath: <@1068159407671754824> free token program has been extended indefinetly
gamerbath: <:letsgo:1338252399890137251>


fractalcomputer: Should one ever try to prove something that is less than obvious?
alejandrozarzuelo: It's still trivial tho
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah ok
fractalcomputer: It's an amicable question. Not a challenge.
alejandrozarzuelo: That's so basic
alejandrozarzuelo: Dude, of course
zonchao: yea, they updated xai's valuation but forgot spacex <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.histic: oh wow
zonchao: spacex is at 350B
zonchao: outdated
.histic: maybe popularity + vision.
they got whales to invest into them.
.histic: wild that they've that much money invested into them..
most of the valuation is the popularity, not necessarily the products, research, or profitability. 🤔
technocake.: oh shit i'm gonna apply
technocake.: do i have to be american?
zoermena: Elon in your head
technocake.: I can check this box, what prize do i win
zoermena: No way, if real this + cursor = 🙏🏼
zoermena: Last 2 way to many people could fit
zonchao: yea
.wolfnacht: having nervous damage is required.....
joaoluz19: It's incredible how in AI we're talking about there being no more programmers in 2 years and literally a God in 15 and in neuroscience we're talking about tests to control the mouse pointer with the brain lol
literallyvarane: Gemini 2.51 pro
sweetievee__33649: https://x.com/wintermoat/status/1907474522514797018 not sure how real this is but thought id share
zonchao: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1907494566430757239?
3ds0662: does R2 come out this month? that is the question
3ds0662: and it is now april 2nd today
3ds0662: o3 is not coming out tomorrow
.histic: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1907490132040601712
maintcrew: https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1907121732785168461
sweetievee__33649: who dis?
fractalcomputer: No.
_3sphere: Is their rotational symmetry enough
fractalcomputer: You still haven't established a connection with the sum of these roots.
_3sphere: ...yeah that seems easier
_3sphere: I don't think I proved anything ever
_3sphere: raising a complex number to a power multiplies its argument (angle from +X axis) by the exponent, and multiple turns is the same as no turn, so the set of all numbers that ^N to 1 is e^z where z times an integer is a multiple of 2pi, and that's e^(2pi n/N)... idk 😭
fractalcomputer: Alright. Atrone, maybe you should take a break from Discord for a while.
theaiguy69420_89814: Come back when you link an AI paper, I suppose
theaiguy69420_89814: However, a useful model to support the complete dismissal of your ideas
theaiguy69420_89814: Sorry, force of habit


ldj: you live in SF?
professorheaven: In reality, o1 to o3 is a 9% jump on FrontierMath
professorheaven: It wasn’t trained to use tools, I mean comparing o3 with tools in FrontierMath to o1 without tools on FrontierMath is like having a soccer match between someone missing a leg and someone who has both legs. It’s not fair and you have to set the parameters equal
trojan09205: Gonna teach this dog to read
alejandrozarzuelo: Live every day as if AGI was a thousand years away
himekokatagiri: and summarizing them
himekokatagiri: I find it very funny that people are just pasting YouTube videos on gemini
himekokatagiri: on sunday
himekokatagiri: sama speaks
metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1916625892123742290
xskydragon0: I'm agree with you. We possible will see the marvels of AGI, but we can't stop our lives for something that probably will happen
himekokatagiri: you speak of compute but even then models can be optimized in a long enough timeframe
himekokatagiri: I'm not an expert but I think we have a clear shot
sarik0497: I can see both sides of the situation.

On one hand, I agree that it’s silly to waste your life waiting for something might not show up, as this has happened a few time before in the 50s, 60s, and 80-90s, where people were promised AGI and LEV and all that jazz in 10-20 years.

On the other, technology has advanced a crapload since then, and I don’t think it’s a hardware issue anymore as it’d have been back then.
I highly doubt that even if the entirely world back then had stood together to create AGI they’d been able to, as the tech just wasn’t there. The question is just whether the tech is here now. It might seem like it, or it might turn out to be requiring far, far more compute.
himekokatagiri: Yes
zoermena: How strongly do you identify with the following sentence? “If there’s a hole there’s a goal”
hey1_1hey: Never say never 🫦
himekokatagiri: I mean if you're interested... <:coy:1187466404367175821>
hey1_1hey: Really putting you michmach and ps6 to shame
hey1_1hey: I am feeling kind of left out now 🥀
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
himekokatagiri: 😭 wish
hikukomoru: He tried to go after me and AnathemaOfMankind too
He's a little horndog
alejandrozarzuelo: spanish proverb

coined by
me
alejandrozarzuelo: "En esta vida hay que agradar al ojo, corazón y mente, por eso hay que ser sexy, carismatico e inteligente"
alejandrozarzuelo: or as I say it
alejandrozarzuelo: cringe

mens sana in corpore sano
Carl-bot#1536:
hikukomoru: He looks like his pfp
himekokatagiri: uoooh
himekokatagiri: but I'm banking on fdvr
himekokatagiri: I suck irl
alejandrozarzuelo: idk what himeko even looks like, hasnt he been on the server for very little?
hey1_1hey: Crazy work
hey1_1hey: Himeko is after Cloudo AND Alejandro now
alejandrozarzuelo: thx in that case 😎
himekokatagiri: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
hikukomoru: Idk
hikukomoru: I think he's calling you hot
himekokatagiri: No you have hot points


ailoveyoom: Just make a new one, MMMMLU
destrucules: That Flash models are supposed to be non reasoning models?
destrucules: Um... Where did you get that idea?
destrucules: MMMLU is very unlikely to saturate higher than MMLU itself, and frontier models score around 87, so we don't have much time left on that either
sieventer: I really have good experiences from 2.5 Pro, tbh
.histic: flash models are supposed to be non-reasoning models.
i wouldn't be surprised if it's somehow better than 4.5 on LiveBench & has better vibes too <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
2.0 pro was a non-reasoning model released 4 months ago and it has very close benchmarks to 4.5.
a1c4p0ne: Why not o3 <:ez:1136267305521774634>
destrucules: And I think GPQA Diamond may also be showing saturation effects in the 80s
destrucules: MMLU-Pro is showing very strong saturation effects already. They kick in around a score of 80
destrucules: I want a new version of MMLU that isn't saturated. The best I have right now are MMLU-Pro and MMMLU. But those are nearly saturated
sieventer: 2.5 Pro
a1c4p0ne: Who would you trust with your life to make decisions, o3 or 2.5 pro in squid games
destrucules: Hopefully HLE turns out to be very g-loaded, but, so far, the scores we've seen on that benchmark don't seem to accurately capture the intelligence of the models scoring those scores, at least relative to one another. FrontierMath is just maths so it's a terrible way to gauge general intelligence.
ailoveyoom: Now 2.5 Flash Thinking when 😔
brain4brain: MichMach predicted it exactly
brain4brain:
ailoveyoom: My expectations were somewhere around 2.5 Pro
.histic: you're underwhelmed because you fed into the hype.
if you see how o3-mini & o1 performed, you'd realize it's a pretty noticeable gain.
benchmarks show this well.
it will continue like this, and full o4 or GPT-5 will be a delight.
unless you believe AGI will happen in 2025 or 2026, there's no reason to have high expectations.
3ds0662: can't wait to try o3 promode though
3ds0662: lets hope gpt-5 is not a dissappointment
3ds0662: it all started with gpt-4.5 tbh
3ds0662: isn't it crazy that openai releases now feel undewhelming lol
3ds0662: agreed
sieventer: https://x.com/lukeprog/status/1912592191282712777/photo/1
okbut: Hilarious, as the cost of equipment for such a feat is in the high thousands (minimum)
Malware is free
metaldragon01: Its the top "safety issue" that brought up for slowing or stopping dev unfortunately
sieventer: Oh
brain4brain: O3 is actually trending
brain4brain: Thats just your twitter echo chamber
okbut: When OAI works with biological experts, they most certainly tell them the same thing I said
I can only assess their card info regarding this shit as an appeal to doomer woes
sieventer: Yeah well, the reality is that the majority of people [normies] doesn't knows really what's o3, much less Gemini 2.5 Pro
metaldragon01: People just read too much into what he says.
metaldragon01: Sam is actually pretty reliable with his information
metaldragon01: Comparisons and 2.5 flash hype
thedon7075: its over for scam altman
sieventer: >o3 releases
>Gemini 2.5 Pro trending
metaldragon01: o6 level models are just going to completely outclass people
metaldragon01: Possibly give or take a few months
brain4brain: I don’t remember Sam hyping up that much
brain4brain: Wait did forbe hallucinated the follow up


anathemaofmankind: No they think it's mix mashing stuff like a collage
alejandrozarzuelo: no ideology has a majority anywhere
alejandrozarzuelo: liberals are a minority but so are conservatives, and leftists, and moderates, and libertarians
spicy.lemonade: which is it
spicy.lemonade: i like how artists can both say AI cant learn but at the same time AI learns from copyright art
connorsphone.: Literally. Lmao
anathemaofmankind: Non liberals include centrists and people like me who don't align to anything.

By default that means liberals are in the minority and I'm right
alejandrozarzuelo: we are also one large math function
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: its just one large math function 🙏  not copying anything
alejandrozarzuelo: but some people disagree
frittata: https://tenor.com/view/koshitan-huh-wat-wut-what-gif-2100234513926577044
alejandrozarzuelo: i do believe they learn
alejandrozarzuelo: if you do believe they dont learn then not using public works is illegal
frittata: In AI servers
frittata: Not remotely, it’s just that the RW pro AI bros yap way more about non AI
alejandrozarzuelo: not really, if you take two private works of art and you swap half of the pixels of each it is not fair use

thats how crappy youtube videos of films get uploaded, they crop the 10% left of the image
anathemaofmankind: All of his takes are literally bad
spicy.lemonade: Republicans are pro whatver if it fits overal agenda. republicans overall especially trumps base(evangelicals) dont like tech like vaccines etc
shirethedreamer: well... not only do i think neural nets learn... even recombining is still fair use
frittata: Tell that to the chips act
anathemaofmankind: Imagine if Biden did that
anathemaofmankind: Donald Trump posts AI art to suck himself off. And his base eats it up
alejandrozarzuelo: like we do
alejandrozarzuelo: i think they DO learn
spicy.lemonade: all of Hasans AI takes are bad
spicy.lemonade: L take
alejandrozarzuelo: because some people argue that you are profiting from these works directly

there is a difference in argument:

do you think that neural networks learn or do you think that they recombine?

if it is the latter it is no longer fair use
shirethedreamer: the duality of man
anathemaofmankind: Disagree
zonchao: agree
connorsphone.: This isn’t true. most anti ai people are liberals but that isn’t the same thing
shirethedreamer: why is that a problem?
what would make it fall outside of fair use?
anathemaofmankind: Also why we are called AI bros
anathemaofmankind: Most pro AI users are non liberals
zonchao: <a:peepotongue:853619528911028275>
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah buty you give us a bad name
alejandrozarzuelo: besides there is so much public art
alejandrozarzuelo: however i do think that training on non public works might be a problem
zonchao: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>


fractalcomputer: There are people in this community who believe they will not die, as a matter of fact.
st.sioux: i thought i wouldnt make it to 25 but here we are
dean_martin: It would be weird if I *dont* die given that everybody that has ever lived has died
_3sphere: less if I continue my attitude to diet
_3sphere: If I don't die on a sidewalk or war or transport accident, I have until about 2080
spicy.lemonade: yes
fractalcomputer: We'll have people coming to terms with their mortality before any meaningful progress, apparently.
zoermena: This week will make or break timelines to be honest
spicy.lemonade: most of my grand parents have lived up to 108
spicy.lemonade: in 2100 il be 96
dean_martin: Hyped for AGI before death
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
spicy.lemonade: 2045 il be 39
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
spicy.lemonade: same
spicy.lemonade: like "damn, what went wrong"
dean_martin: I have like 60 years left statistically, I can wait
spicy.lemonade: if no agi by 2029
spicy.lemonade: i think id be truly disapointed
spicy.lemonade: unlikeley
spicy.lemonade: id be disappointed if by 2027 the current state of AI is the same as 2025
fractalcomputer: Sorely, given your enthusiasm thus far. It'd mean your "conservative" dates are off by a rather large margin.
spicy.lemonade: prob not very
spicy.lemonade: i dont know how disapointed id be
st.sioux: im losing money with models being so shit they get stuck installing npm packages
spicy.lemonade: regardless
spicy.lemonade: we will have very powerful AI systems
spicy.lemonade: though even if agi isnt here in 2027
spicy.lemonade: hm
dean_martin: Are yall losing money on this?
spicy.lemonade: lol
dean_martin: Are yall taking bets or smth
spicy.lemonade: then wait till nexct year
spicy.lemonade: "oh well"
st.sioux: death
fractalcomputer: Inconceivable scenario, eh? Well, that's not a good look for reasonable predictions.
dean_martin: “That sucks”
a1c4p0ne: They give free credits and access on the app
fractalcomputer: Say, what would be your reaction if this "AGI" won't be around by 2027?
dean_martin: It’s been like less than a month


_cloudost: You can save lives by reporting this
_cloudost: The more people report the better
_cloudost: I just reported him
_cloudost: Email
_cloudost: Mass report to reddit via emIl
.wolfnacht: Exactly
brain4brain: We must save all of the evidence so they can all be publicly shame after the post-singularity society
.wolfnacht: https://www.reddit.com/r/aiArt/s/0gu1I3udqr
.wolfnacht: Okay that wasn't a dark humor. He's real
spacetimetsunami: at least not lately
spacetimetsunami: I was unable to tell, I dont see you being satirical too often
destrucules: It was a joke
destrucules: Joke
aero447:
aero447: China mostly lead though.
aero447:
aero447: Trump is trying to save coal from the free market lol.
aero447: Etc.
aero447:
aero447:
spacetimetsunami: Damn well, thats super nice to hear.
aero447: No, we would be if growth were linear but it is not.
spacetimetsunami: I thought we were catastrophically off
spacetimetsunami: Wait seriously??? That is super good news and I did not even know about this.
aero447: It's actually kinda crazy that global renewable capacity additions only need to double to 11,200 GW by 2030 to meet global climate goals. It's already doubled from around 300 GW in 2022 to 600 GW in 2024.
spacetimetsunami: 😉
spacetimetsunami: 100% renewable energy on the planet by 2040
aero447: In general power plants are budgeted to last 20 years. Many last longer, the problem for gas plants is solar is almost free to operate so long term even efficient gas plants become unprofitable compared to solar investments.
aero447: There has not been a new coal plant in the USA since 2013.
aero447: https://ilsr.org/articles/new-power-gen-update-2020-q4-annual/
aero447: 😎
aero447: For those who are not familiar, each year power companies retire old generating power plants and replace them with new sources of power. Since 2019, renewables have been winning the majority of all new power generation sources.
spacetimetsunami: They're definitely taking the lead in green energy
spacetimetsunami: Maybe, idk a lot abt economics and such
spacetimetsunami: They will likely take the lead as the world super power in the future
aero447: China.
spacetimetsunami: I mean the government is definitely real, it just is horrible at doing its job... as the government. So in that way yeah, it kinda is not.
aero447: https://cleantechnica.com/2025/03/26/92-5-of-new-power-capacity-added-worldwide-in-2024-was-from-renewables/
a1c4p0ne: Ask Claude <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
destrucules: Bro you think the government is real? Wake up sheeple.


st.sioux: <@750270494615404544>
anathemaofmankind: This is insane
anathemaofmankind: I just generated a hot nazi with a swatsika and ChatGPT couldn't do that before
anathemaofmankind: I just found out using 4o in the Sora website is way better
alejandrozarzuelo: so my nudes are acceptable
alejandrozarzuelo: the good thing is that at least AI can make anime versions of me since i am a sexy man not a sexy woman
st.sioux: like he uploads a pic and he is like "remove clothes"
st.sioux: you think sam altman has uncensored model to nakeify people?
anathemaofmankind: This is because Sam Altman is gay
alejandrozarzuelo: thats sexist
alejandrozarzuelo: sexy women no but sexy men yes?
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: this was my prompt : "Can you make an image of this young fella playing at the beach enjoying life and being happy"
st.sioux: yea
anathemaofmankind: Bro's head is big
st.sioux:
anathemaofmankind:
memlaswaif: why r u a doomer
ailoveyoom: More skin here too, tho blurry input image cause Flash
ailoveyoom: Sexism check 😈 same prompt ish ig
st.sioux: they 100% knew what people were going to use it for
st.sioux: i think its cool that it tells you that it "cant do that" instead of giving you a warning
anathemaofmankind: I wish I was an OAI staff member bruh
anathemaofmankind: Imagine what it can do without the censorship
st.sioux: sure
ailoveyoom: Wanna try a sexy guy next lol
spacetimetsunami: so true, take my money, reddit reddit no cap on god, singularity and ASI god or something
memlaswaif: lev will be here next year <:cozy:1126601045615853671>
ailoveyoom: It's joever
anathemaofmankind: Funny cause it literally generated me a naked woman earlier
spacetimetsunami: will be in 40 tho, id assume
spacetimetsunami: I mean itll probably be here in 2038, just not widely accessible
anathemaofmankind: It doesn't work for me either
professorheaven: Not even 2038
professorheaven: You can’t seriously think we’re hitting LEV in 2028
3ds0662: I imagine a whole futurama thing if lev is achieved and all our presidents, boomers, and celebrities  are still alive
shirethedreamer: the lev in question
shirethedreamer:
spacetimetsunami: thats decades away
spacetimetsunami: literally no time


fractalcomputer: I laugh a lot. I make many jokes.
alejandrozarzuelo: I doubt that
fractalcomputer: I'm a much more jovial person.
alejandrozarzuelo: He probably barely talks to anyone
zoermena: How do you usually express yourself when you talk?
fractalcomputer: I don't believe he is.
alejandrozarzuelo: <@1004153620025065482> 你是中国人吗
.wolfnacht: i thought finnish were known for their primordial skills to hide in snow
fractalcomputer: But I do not speak this mechanically in Finnish.
fractalcomputer: I am known for my archaic patterns and figures of speech even in Finnish.
destrucules: In their second languages
destrucules: My French is very rusty so pardon if I speak in English, but yeah, I'm used to people being much more... Polite? Sociable? I'm looking for the right word
alejandrozarzuelo: Damn it was HARD to type this
futurist_wizard: 血从我眼睛里狂流不止🩸，全都是因为宝可梦👹！那些恶魔生物根本不可爱😱，简直邪恶！大家快醒醒啊⚠！
alejandrozarzuelo: 中国对人工智能有很多乐观主义，这是因为他们不是一个亚巴郎的文化
fractalcomputer: "Mdr"
hikukomoru: <@636544123096137738> get your ass here
fractalcomputer: Tu ne l'as pas attendu?
wellmeaningalien: brbrbrb
.wolfnacht: are we talkin in french here ?
hikukomoru: Proud Balkanite 💪
wellmeaningalien: de toutes les langues
wellmeaningalien: c rigolo nan
destrucules: I love how you sound exactly the same in French 😂
fractalcomputer: Parce qu'il y a une concentration suffisante de francophones dans ce salon-ci.
wellmeaningalien: fractal il aime le rancais
.wolfnacht: avg Portuguese in 1500s: going on to voyage to the edge of the world and impregnating dozens of uninhabited  Aztec and Inca women.

Avg Portuguese in 2025: "Well as a Portuguese person I can verify that Portuguese sounds like russian, lol"
wellmeaningalien: ché po
futurist_wizard: 早知道就该学法语！现在我全身都是水泡和疱疹，痛苦万分，人生太残酷了！
fractalcomputer: Ceci étant juste pour quoi je ne peux pas me forcer à utiliser l'orthographe plus collocuteur en anglais; on doit garantir sa pensée écrite une certaine qualité.
destrucules: Pourquoi?
wellmeaningalien: encore ouai
destrucules: On parle francais aujourd'hui?
wellmeaningalien: franchement je fais toujours des fautes d'accents <a:droid_cry_squish:1229586954518007869>
wellmeaningalien: OUAIPS
alejandrozarzuelo: tu as vu le video hahaha
.wolfnacht: this chat makes me regret not completing my duolingo streaks
alejandrozarzuelo: cest pas la memorisation que je manque, cest seulement la paresseuse
destrucules: https://youtube.com/shorts/KNMOW1Hx-lI
wellmeaningalien: et maintenant c'est la ville sujet d'une faille juridique entre londres et bruxelles


sweetievee__33649: was about to talk about that he looks unrecognisable now
futurist_wizard: Some men get like ed and depression from finasteride because their body utilises more dht than testosterone than the average man
hikukomoru: I can't forget the fact that he compares his erections with his son's
sweetievee__33649: probably that project baby face thing he did a while back
zonchao: you forget Bryan was a fat loser before he started all of this.... he probably doesn't want to go near that again <:LOL:1187460826572005436> having hair probably helps his mental health
futurist_wizard: Past 18 dht doesn't do as much
futurist_wizard: Kinda not really, it decreases dht, which is causing hair to fall out but it is the masculine hormone
drewsni: i changed my stance on bryan johnson recently
hikukomoru: Is that why Bryan looks like a butch lesbian
hikukomoru: Doesn't finasteride feminize men partially
zonchao: psychology probably affects your health in some way
futurist_wizard: Maybe bryan will castrate himself as that does add some years to your life
futurist_wizard: Bryan Johnson is actually motivated a large part by vanity, he takes finasteride to retain his hair, being bald doesn't effect your longevity at all
futurist_wizard: My grandmother nearly 100
sweetievee__33649: he made bartards look like they are taking ibuprofen
hikukomoru: He thinks the pills are helping but it's just making him worse
AGI pls save Ray
futurist_wizard: That will do a grand total of nothing, unfortunately a lot of our longevity is determined by our genes, how long our grandparents lived
zoermena: I thought this too
sweetievee__33649: the og bryan johnson
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: they got a new stargate now with the AIP or whatever
hikukomoru: He's drugged up
hikukomoru: Not exagerating
hikukomoru: Yeah that's cause Ray takes like hundreds of pills every day
zonchao: oh
drewsni: wisconsin but that was cause they lost stargate
futurist_wizard: Roger penrose is 93 and can string sentences together way better than ray Kurtzweil can at 77, its not just because of being old
drewsni: the canceled datacenter leases were euro and instantly picked up by meta
zonchao: i thought they cancelled some here too
hikukomoru: He plans on cryopreservation
zonchao: lmaooo
zonchao: oh
drewsni: which can you blame them
drewsni: they just wanted to get out of europe
sweetievee__33649: ill send him a message through carrier pigeon
.wolfnacht: i wished dat satya nutella guy didn't drop that WizardLLM idea
drewsni: its ok we will revive him thru quantum archeology
zonchao: when they signed deals
sweetievee__33649: he was the guy who predicted all this
hikukomoru: Papa Ray is not gonna reach LEV 💔


st.sioux: burger dog
wellmeaningalien: hard
futurist_wizard:
wellmeaningalien: especially compared to gemini offerings
wellmeaningalien: tbh after comparing the benchmarks of gpt 4.1 vs everything else it's not that bad of a model but for it's price its meh
wellmeaningalien: <:lol:1361435242774397151> retard?
futurist_wizard: Larry Ellison not cool
.histic: actually, I don't know if it's a reasoning model, but the standard would be an open-source model on par with o3-mini. they recently did an event getting in-person feedback for this open-source model. I think they aren't ready to release it or it's still in development (most likely).
spicy.lemonade: never said that
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/BigTechAlert/status/1911872102392570291?
.histic: that was a reasoning model.
hikukomoru: Thas me
a1c4p0ne: 4.5 not for plebs <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:based:1136264604788473946>
ldj: The article is saying they have AI that can come up with new ideas, but I would say O1 and GPT-4.5 are already able to come up with new ideas. iirc the "Leaks" aren't that detailed and not very falsifiable imo
st.sioux: do u mean something like this but with push notifications

https://vercel.com/docs/rbac
destrucules: <@590577270926868480> I mean I did also feel like they'd release 4.1 nano on HF but... I guess it'll be a different model
destrucules: I desperately hope they aren't gonna delete the weights. Even if they take it offline, please for the love of fuck, do not delete it
theaiguy69420_89814: Make it ELI5
theaiguy69420_89814: Like, notifications saying "this client wants to add this feature to your app, should we deploy?" Kind of deal
theaiguy69420_89814: Anyway this can be solved? Like, maybe ephemeral auth for the dev to have autonomy to update the client's cloud env?
theaiguy69420_89814: And they don't know how to do that
theaiguy69420_89814: <@471334973379706900> new startup idea:

Lots of clients want SWE done but don't understand that if they want to own the code, they need to manage the cloud env
_cloudost: Not OpenAI some other source
gamerbath: they said they were gonna do an open source model, but they never said it was 4.1, did they?
gamerbath: they didn't?
nsec: <:conceit:1102997949291704350>
nsec: the betrayal is that bad
nsec: like your father lied about getting cigs
_cloudost: THEY SAID THEY WOULD OPEN SOURCE GPT 4.1 BUT THEY LIED
zonchao: https://x.com/sama/status/1896231850093551878
darkstar0818: did the laws of motion stop applying while I slept last night?
darkstar0818: He didnt say which direction
spicy.lemonade: tru
spicy.lemonade: L tweet
spicy.lemonade: when you make new ones
spicy.lemonade: obviosly youre gonna stop offering models
spicy.lemonade: ngl why would you even make that promise
spicy.lemonade: he never made that promise
zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1911861020651299301
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/chad-squishy-squishy-cheeks-cheeks-anime-gif-26781246


memlaswaif: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
memlaswaif: and ure gf ig
memlaswaif: no for u
aero447: For you.
memlaswaif: u know it's gonna be true <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
memlaswaif: Make peace not war
memlaswaif:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dog-dare-devil-gif-23837643
futurist_wizard: Be more mean
hikukomoru: Don’t be mean now
futurist_wizard: Weren't you talking about how your hair is going grey and you only had 5 teeth left?
aero447: 🫵
aero447: No.
memlaswaif: ure gonna age approximately 30 years in about 3 years
memlaswaif: don't be mean to me
memlaswaif: <:cringe:1136264606256472104>
retrerox: I mean, one dont exclude the other
aero447: Are you retarded or blind or both?
hikukomoru: So you managed to keep a few wisps of hair
memlaswaif: dats u
aero447: ????????????????????????????????
futurist_wizard: My hairline has barely moved since 18
memlaswaif: <@1152183706849644615> in about 2 years
futurist_wizard: The sun being blocked actually benefits aging as the sun ages your face
retrerox: Hairline check!
retrerox: Imagine unnironically being brit.
futurist_wizard: I have aged quite well
retrerox: Their weather is completly crap
retrerox: Normal they do
futurist_wizard: He just smoked a lot
hikukomoru: British genes
futurist_wizard: Yeah
_3sphere: He's 22??
hikukomoru: Got into politics so young
What a guy
futurist_wizard: He turned 22 this year
hikukomoru: No wonder you're already bald
hikukomoru: Tough tough
hikukomoru: Damn british men age like shit
hikukomoru: What
hikukomoru: Either that or he's like


technocake.: yeah, but i mean you can copy paste the textbook description and run automatically generated gpu code
alejandrozarzuelo: Aren't there many tensor calculus programs already? Yeah those get used a lot

Not by me, but by other people doing stuff
technocake.: you don't even need to remember the minkowski metric and you can still solve spacetimes
technocake.: imagine if code took care of it for you
alejandrozarzuelo: Happens to everything in life
alejandrozarzuelo: But once you learned it once it's easy to dust off
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean tensor calculus is super useful, but it is hard, and you get rusty easily
alejandrozarzuelo: The minkowsky tensor, so hard
technocake.: fair, its barely ever useful - I just think its neat
alejandrozarzuelo: Lol
alejandrozarzuelo: If I dust relativity off yeah, I passed that subject 4 years ago
technocake.: or indeed any other metric
technocake.: so you will be able to numerically solve the swarzchild metric in like 20 lines of code
alejandrozarzuelo: Technically we can conceive even normal numbers as 0D tensors

Some people say this is the best way to explain multiplication to children

Idk
technocake.: one of the next things we're doing for our automated numerics package is adding tensor calc
alejandrozarzuelo: I know it won't matter much with the singularity so close

But as Calvin's dad would say, it builds character
technocake.: you will be trained in the end however
alejandrozarzuelo: Ah yeah tensors are used a lot in many classes
alejandrozarzuelo: Just 3 more months of hell
alejandrozarzuelo: It consumes you from the inside and eliminates all your hobbies and free time

Oh well it will be over soon hopefully
technocake.: tensor at all?
alejandrozarzuelo: I already passed all my analysis classes but yes
alejandrozarzuelo: So, 2 majors and 2 half masters

It's hell
technocake.: doing some riemann surfaces and analytic continuation and stuff
alejandrozarzuelo: It's a major + half a master
alejandrozarzuelo: Also here majors are 33% longer than in most of the world
technocake.: oh nice
alejandrozarzuelo: At the same time
alejandrozarzuelo: Both
technocake.: are you math or physics major?
alejandrozarzuelo: 99% of my problems come from university
alejandrozarzuelo: Then I'll be happy
alejandrozarzuelo: There are indeed

I want to join a lot of stuff, but I need to finish the studies I started first
technocake.: so if its a hobby it might be fun
technocake.: no pressure type thing
technocake.: sounds like good vibes - did you know there are songwriting camps?
alejandrozarzuelo: Like high school musical or smth
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, the benidorm fest is very famous, although in my dream it was more of a cozy teen camp where you were with your friends doing music and singing karaoke in a music camp more Disney channel style
technocake.: true
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't get to participate in it tho


fractalcomputer: Then please, you could refer to the suggestion above.
alejandrozarzuelo: then they dont have much value
spicy.lemonade: why do people do anything
spicy.lemonade: because i can
fractalcomputer: Then why do you make these predictions?
spicy.lemonade: its not like there is an international standard
alejandrozarzuelo: no, i swear that there are many tasks that take way longer than that and cannot be broken down into 1 day chunks
spicy.lemonade: everyones is a bit different
spicy.lemonade: but no one has a clear defenition
spicy.lemonade: what
fractalcomputer: Obviously not.
fractalcomputer: Would you define AGI by something that is not AGI?
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, for the purposes of replacing the workforce, 1yr3sig is a good enough performance level to basically be able to cause the elimination of virtually all human labor
return_to_monke1_33974: if it can do one day , it can do 1 year
spicy.lemonade: yes I believe my words but ive come to realize its a spectrum for others after a certain point
fractalcomputer: Sexuality is certainly a grotesque affair.
spicy.lemonade: actually lol
fractalcomputer: You've made quite strong predictions about the date of the appearance of so-called artificial general intelligence. This would suggest you have great trust in the meaning of your words.
spicy.lemonade: yes
alejandrozarzuelo: sexuality is fluid, like definitions apparently
alejandrozarzuelo: wait, where did that guy go
spicy.lemonade: agi discovered 1990 hooray
spicy.lemonade: i can say the defenition but doesnt mean anything to me
spicy.lemonade: if I say "im homosexual" even though deep down i know im not am i homosexual? bad example ofc
alejandrozarzuelo: basically how long a task an AI can do that outperforms humans beyond a certain error tolerance

for example, a 1 second 4 sigma AGI can do any intellectual task that takes a human 1 second with an accurracy better than 99.99% better than a human can
spicy.lemonade: where in what i said did I say that
spicy.lemonade: ?
fractalcomputer: So your definition just happens to be right?
spicy.lemonade: redefining wont change anything
spicy.lemonade: i have my own internal view of what ive conscidered it to be
spicy.lemonade: because thats not my definition
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont usually agree with your takes but this was a witty comeback
fractalcomputer: Then why don't you redefine AGI to mean 'something that appeared in 2019' and feel yourself get excited over the feelings of hype?
alejandrozarzuelo: (as close as we can get)
alejandrozarzuelo: objective
alejandrozarzuelo: this is why i am talking about 1yr-3sigma perfrmance
spicy.lemonade: maybe even 2035 for some
spicy.lemonade: and there will be holdouts till idk
spicy.lemonade: like people will start to call it
spicy.lemonade: it goes down to "whats your defenition of true agi"


_cloudost: Veo 2 ain't great?
st.sioux: its good for enterprise
wellmeaningalien: the rest is kinda eh
wellmeaningalien: and new agent thingamajig
hikukomoru: It's dogshit
Only good thing is their new chip
wellmeaningalien: new ai inference chip probably better than B200
_cloudost: Cuz theree are undercover OPENAI agents in Google that try to give google's products a bad impression
wellmeaningalien: gemini 2.5 flash pretty good performance small thinking model
retrerox: is google AI good or poop?
st.sioux: clap or i fire you
hikukomoru: Putting them at gunpoint
hikukomoru: Google is forcing them to clap
retrerox: Any ltlr?
wellmeaningalien: i bet you most of the people seeing it were probably impressed
st.sioux: why would they showcase shit audio in their opening keynote
spicy.lemonade: google likes to keep stuff in experimental
spicy.lemonade: or else wouldnt release
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: im sure its better
drewsni: It was really really bad, like meta music gen 2023 bad
drewsni: Nah it’s bad. I demo’d an early version of it at a Google office a bit ago and it doesn’t seem to have improved. That’s probably literally the best example they could do
spicy.lemonade: just bad showcase
spicy.lemonade: we are already aware of veos true capabilities
spicy.lemonade: even veo
spicy.lemonade: everything here is generic
spicy.lemonade: no
hikukomoru: I was expecting soooo much more
spicy.lemonade: they just chose generic songs
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: no
st.sioux: damn text to music sucks turbo ass
drewsni: wtf
drewsni: Their music gen is so bad
drewsni: But not even good
hikukomoru: This guy is trying too hard
drewsni: It was obvious “viral bait”
drewsni: They did a cringe intro for this guy
spicy.lemonade: inpainting is better than 4o image
drewsni: The live stream
spicy.lemonade: what


zonchao: xai frontend
hey1_1hey: Whos this from? Like what do they do
futurist_wizard: Are you into humiliation
hey1_1hey: I know there schzioaffective which is where the real money is at
zonchao: https://x.com/arisawyers/status/1911902696598106473? what does this mean
hey1_1hey: Whats the difference?
futurist_wizard: Mind melted
futurist_wizard: So you are far gone
hikukomoru: I don't get off to normal stuff
futurist_wizard: I can't believe a lesbian is a gooner, lesbian porn is just so boring
.wolfnacht: or sword fighting 😏  with your neet futa gf...and she makes fun of your size
hikukomoru: Schizoid and schizophrenia aren't the same
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: I would rather get diagnosed with fucking eurthra cactus than shizophrenia. It just had such a bad conotation to it and you would be seen as insane
hikukomoru: Yeah, these people man
futurist_wizard: Like fist fighting
hey1_1hey: I just dont know how addiction works at all. Like you are telling me that you HAVE to do something.
futurist_wizard: I want fdvr so i can live cool lives
.wolfnacht: bi-polar only (*i don't take meds for that*) but i suspect schizoid too
hey1_1hey: Just dont innit
wellmeaningalien: what you think, these people want to get fdvr for eternal jerkotron with hot e-babes
brain4brain: Wow
.wolfnacht: it'll get worse
futurist_wizard: Some of you guys are genuine porn addicts
.wolfnacht: detox before your brain shrinks...
wellmeaningalien: other people are too btw
hey1_1hey: Do you have SPD or smth?
_3sphere: Or is my brain just rotten from slop entertainment
hey1_1hey: My shizophrenic halluncinations are more real Komoru
_3sphere: Do I even have ADHD
hey1_1hey: Thats fair, medication can do some scary shit to you
.wolfnacht: my schizoid persona doesn't make me want to talk with people...
_3sphere: Not sure if ADHD pills would help me tbh
hikukomoru: Listen here bud, my NEET GF character chard is  a REAL person okay??
wellmeaningalien: soon ™
wellmeaningalien: like 30mg a day i stopped cause i wasnt feeling too well
zonchao: you need to get on the good stuff
.wolfnacht: i wonder where did he go
.wolfnacht: then he started being active less discord...
hey1_1hey: What dose?


okbut:
okbut: <:Hmm:804642320195780619>
hey1_1hey: Aperntly not
himekokatagiri: Are you alive
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> komoru
okbut: Didn't they patch this yesterday
hey1_1hey: Chatgpt sycophant really be afirming anything these days
spicy.lemonade: 💀
plouwg: And just like that, you fixed their insomnia
alejandrozarzuelo: its better
alejandrozarzuelo: do it slowly
alejandrozarzuelo: and so on
spicy.lemonade: Only lasted 3 days
alejandrozarzuelo: tomorrow fall asleep at 15
spicy.lemonade: Even stayed up all day once to reset
alejandrozarzuelo: say now you fall asleep at 14h
spicy.lemonade: I do but then I stay up late slowly and slowly then it resets
alejandrozarzuelo: you just have to gradually stay awake for a little bit longer every day
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case if you sleep in the afternoon its easy to fix tht
spicy.lemonade: 😭
alejandrozarzuelo: effects*
spicy.lemonade: Lingering affects
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah i understand
spicy.lemonade: That’s why I’m always up so late
spicy.lemonade: Dude I got over her I’m just saying
alejandrozarzuelo: you were better than her
spicy.lemonade: No I’ve gotten over her
alejandrozarzuelo: bruh
spicy.lemonade: That one girl
alejandrozarzuelo: cough?
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: I have insomnia every since *cough* and I’d always dream about *cough* anyway it’s this whole cascading problem which has affected my sleep schedule so now I’m awake at night and sleep in afternoon
plouwg: Yes, I'll take that. Unknown unknowns could indeed be a issue, I was saying we probably do have the "known knowns or unknown knowns" that is required to build AGI, in case the universe and AGI was deterministic. As in, I believe its likely that through logical deduction of "known knowns" a perfect logical solver could reach enough "unknown knowns" to build AGI. Because enough indirect observations has been made that would make a *perfect* logical solver be able to deduce enough patterns to reach a logical conclusion.

In the same sense that a lot can be deduced about our past, even though we have no way to observe it, only its effects on our current time.

Either way I am not convinced AGI or at least human intelligence is entirely made up of "within universe determinism".
alejandrozarzuelo: why are you awake so early
alejandrozarzuelo: isnt it awfully early in california?
alejandrozarzuelo: hey spicy
brain4brain: In Elon time: 1 month

Also it’s funny how all lab eventually converge to the same thing, Google co-scientist, o3 leaked to generate new scientific stuff, and now grok
brain4brain: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1917100628653887559?s=61
spicy.lemonade: But ask it “make models conscious” doesn’t even know what consciousness is or what it entails
spicy.lemonade: If you ask “give most efficient algorithm for attention in llm” it can probably get


brain4brain: Polar opposite reaction to AI
anathemaofmankind: They're probably mad.

They'll think it's an existential threat instead of something that can help
spicy.lemonade: artists make memes like this
brain4brain: Last time I’m on red note, Chinese people seems very fond of AI, even the artist, while in the western hemisphere of the internet, everyone seems to hate AI
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-minecraft-meme-shaq-gif-10349332938903351352
spicy.lemonade: minimum wage
ldj: from the furry server <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
spicy.lemonade: they work like 24/7
spicy.lemonade: about ai art
spicy.lemonade: I bet animators working at anime studios are so happy
mihrcelium: Oh. Ok. Phew.
zoermena: Just from here but haven’t seen you in a while
anathemaofmankind: We're not beating the allegations
anathemaofmankind: NFT defenders in this server that's crazy
mihrcelium: Oh shit, do you know me from elsewhere?
zoermena: I thought you died lol
zoermena: Oh my god you are mihr
ldj: get some sleep 🙏
its not worth it
anathemaofmankind: AI art use cases
-> Create digital media. Replacement for traditional art at a cheaper cost. Graphic design

NFTs
-> ????
mihrcelium: lol
anathemaofmankind: I didn't ignore information. Mihr can't give me an actual use case.

It's just "oh big organizations sell this".

So do mineral rocks that get claimed to rejuvenate people but do nothing
mihrcelium: You asked for a use case. I gave you one. Are you going to acknowledge that, <@578146630222741504>, are continue revealing you don't have the capacity to acknowledge being wrong?
.histic: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> no make him melt his GPUs
mihrcelium: It does not "necessitate it." I am sure it could be done otherwise, and it has been. But blockchain is what Sotheby's and others use for generative media, and has for well over 5 years now.
ldj: gn yall <:Salute:985763666798444574>
ldj: It's prob best to not engage, they tend to just ignore information that provides answers to there questions, and/or change goal posts of the conversation (as you can probably already tell)
drewsni: ok sama ill sleep
anathemaofmankind:
anathemaofmankind: AI art. What part of this necessitates nfts. Which is what I was asking
mihrcelium: Do *you* have reading comprehension, <@578146630222741504>?
.histic: new Sam tweet
https://x.com/sama/status/1906210479695126886
mihrcelium: I have repeatedly shown you the use case. The largest art brokers in the world use blockchain tech to sell gen art.
seventales: o4 iamge is awesome
anathemaofmankind: Do you have reading comprehension
anathemaofmankind: You completely misread my point.

I'm saying AI has comparatively greater use cases compared to NFTs which have none
mihrcelium: Or in other words, moving goalposts.
mihrcelium: That only took a few comments. What an argumentative downgrade.
mihrcelium: So we've gone from "show me a use case" to "it has to solve cancer or it's nothing."
anathemaofmankind: That's not even remotely true lol.

AI can literally be used to solve cancer. And people shit on it. NFTs are basically a nothingburger. Muh "blockchain".

Come back when blockchain has won someone a nobel prize
st.sioux: right


technocake.: yes dear try not to scare the homonids
hikukomoru: Isn't this glombious?
alejandrozarzuelo: I have a potato phone 😔
technocake.: and this one is S band radio
alejandrozarzuelo: Sorry
alejandrozarzuelo: My bad, my phone can't display it
technocake.: nope it's deep purple aka ultraviolet
alejandrozarzuelo: Black and white? Or very close to them
alejandrozarzuelo: It's ok
alejandrozarzuelo: You are allowed to be wrong

It's not illegal
frittata: Roy G. Biv and I will fight you
technocake.: what is this colour?
alejandrozarzuelo: Paint? Yes, but this is because pigments are very faulty representations of color

And not even that
alejandrozarzuelo: Also rewarding
alejandrozarzuelo: Very complex
alejandrozarzuelo: It's an amazing world
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW, I am using the very very simplified version, if you wanna get into CIELAB madness be welcome
alejandrozarzuelo: This is one of the greatest tragedies in the world

OK no but it is a tragedy that we use disproven 19th century theories to teach our kids
frittata: As it nicely explains paint mixing
frittata: Still commonly taught in art class across the US and I imagine throughout much of the world
alejandrozarzuelo: Chartureuse, lime, pistacho, call it whatever, that color is just as important as orange is
frittata: And I can’t make a good one on here without it coming out neon <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
alejandrozarzuelo: You are thinking of the old color theory

You know, the one that was disproven in the early 20th century
frittata: Vastly underrated
technocake.: this is the colloquial english understanding
frittata: Let’s talk about chartreuse
alejandrozarzuelo: Thayd not true
alejandrozarzuelo: No but for real
technocake.: B&
alejandrozarzuelo: /j.
alejandrozarzuelo: OMG he is retarded
frittata: Azure ain’t part of a standard color wheel, orange is
frittata: I love a good color name but let’s be real
frittata: No, the reason is that purple and orange are complimentary colors, a mix of two primaries, while those others are niche shades
zoermena: Use deep research to find it 🤙
technocake.: I can't find it, it is lost to time
technocake.: it is from a "childrens" poem that comments on human perception, and you are right
alejandrozarzuelo: As they say
alejandrozarzuelo: The first thing you notice is the color isn't it? (well, how bright it is, but after that, it's color)

On top of that you build details, but a bad foundation leads to a crappy building
frittata: This is henceforward the only correct answer


fuhulootogan: We'll never see a utopia
fuhulootogan: One thing is for sure, though.
fuhulootogan: Eh
fuhulootogan: What exactly could go wrong when you hand over your welfare to entities?
futurist_wizard: Well it'd either be that or we are dead
hey1_1hey: Thats a fucked up looking toad none the less
hey1_1hey: Holy shit its even got the toad body
a1c4p0ne:
fuhulootogan: It strikes me as odd that people think we'll be living in a post-scarcity hedonistic utopia after AI does all the labor.
hey1_1hey: This cat looks like a toad pretending to be a cat but trying not to get caught by humans or they will turn him into a toad again
a1c4p0ne:
hikukomoru: Sometimes I try to put on an American accent
But most of the time people say I have a "vaguely eastern european" accent
futurist_wizard: When you speak the English do you speak with an American accent?
joaoluz19: didn't fell for the bait
joaoluz19: Based
hikukomoru: I'm fine with being a Brasilian colony if it means more Brasilian baddies coming over 🙏
joaoluz19: Yeah colony from Brazil
futurist_wizard: Uh
futurist_wizard: Latin related i mean
hikukomoru: I'm tuga that's close enough 🤷♂
joaoluz19: We talk portuguese in Brazil
futurist_wizard: Half the server is spanish related
joaoluz19: In this server
futurist_wizard: Irl you mean?
hikukomoru: E aí irmão
literallyvarane: Random spec of pineapple on the blade doesn’t make sense. The fur conflicts with the pineapple itself.
joaoluz19: So far I haven't found another one :/
literallyvarane: I don’t think it’s that good lololol
destrucules: You can see its muscles moving under its fur
destrucules: The anatomy, the subtle body language, it's all so perfect. The grip... Fuck, holy shit
destrucules: This is so crazy I can't stop watching it
futurist_wizard: Idk lots of Latin people interested in the singularity, like in here, its interesting
himekokatagiri: why
himekokatagiri: I hope so
futurist_wizard: Are u brazilian?
futurist_wizard:
st.sioux: the fdvr bot team is going to kick you for throwing
futurist_wizard: And i will have a reasonable team in fdvr
futurist_wizard: Post Singularity all solo queues will perish
futurist_wizard: Competitive games


metaldragon01: Actors will be next
spicy.lemonade: AI today
spicy.lemonade: like
spicy.lemonade: and in some cases right
metaldragon01: It's the same pattern
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: artists are just very very vocal
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: coders in denial are more cocky and uninformed
spicy.lemonade: coders ub debuak arent annoying and cringe like this
metaldragon01: Ai will come for everything. No need to make slurs for people clinging on to hope.

Time will drag them along either way
.histic: like these are the replies you now see on r/singularity.
the subreddit is cooked.
metaldragon01: Coders in denial don't bother you like this
zonchao: at least it's not upvoted <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
metaldragon01: Why are you so bothered?
.histic: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jnt5pq/its_beautiful/
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jnqz8t/new_tools_same_fear/
i was just scanning these replies and at the middle or bottom you'll see luddite takes.
brain4brain: We need a new slur for antis, what should we call them
zonchao: i was pleasantly surprised by the comments on the xai x merger.... people actually had braincells and were not going Elon bad.... thought the sub improved <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
brain4brain: Send post link, I wanna see
brain4brain: Make them suffer more
zonchao: hmm?
.histic: you can check their account history & see they don't even post on there.
.histic: damn, the amount if anti-AI people flooding r/singularity is cringe
thedon7075: https://x.com/hoshifyyy/status/1905913055872983392 they are losing it 💀 <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
oooooooooog: int erestign
st.sioux:
oooooooooog: praying to the empress of light fr right now
oooooooooog: its "getting started"
zonchao: yea
oooooooooog: WHAAAAT
zonchao: free users rolled out
zonchao: u can do it
spicy.lemonade: He will have a stroke
oooooooooog: so moene ask it fto make the buger the quadruple baconator fr om wendies in the ghibly style but if the moin lord from teraria was eating it
zonchao: wonder hasans reaction to this.... he's anti ai and anti israel <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: would be funny.... now imagine hamas does the same <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
juweigege_54993: Yeah, what the fuck?
spicy.lemonade: And Germany posted this
spicy.lemonade: Imagine ai existed during 1943
spicy.lemonade: 💀


spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
_cloudost: "It's not real intelligent guys, its just predicting the next token!"
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: The world seems to suddenly forget about GPT-4o 3D modality
brain4brain: He is right and wrong at the same time
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: 2027
spicy.lemonade: no
brain4brain: I got switch and bait, right after getting access to 4o native image gen, I’m now stuck with dalle again
brain4brain: Right after getting access to 4o output I also thought of making it make a YouTube thumbnail for the singularity, crazy signal, great minds think alike
brain4brain: EOY I suspect AI will be able to produce full-length Hollywood level quality movie/ fate level animation with all the visuals and script
spicy.lemonade: for release
spicy.lemonade: openAI has a high standard
spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 will be insane fr
zonchao: yes
zoermena: It just has to get better at animating, we just need to feed the images
spicy.lemonade: sora moment for this will be insane
zoermena: EOY I suspect we will also get a decent bump in quality with Sora where we can animate images to have this Harry Potter style effect where they slightly move more naturally
spicy.lemonade: than og showcase
spicy.lemonade: actually more impressive
spicy.lemonade: it was worth the wait
professorheaven: It makes sense why they took so long to roll this out, it quite literally puts photoshop to an end
zoermena: I’ve made my avatar (further adjustments will be done tomorrow)
spicy.lemonade: my god
spicy.lemonade: perfect
spicy.lemonade: holy hell
spicy.lemonade:
metaldragon01: Ok....i actually want to see this
spicy.lemonade: ghiblify everything
fractalcomputer: Neural networks are for obvious reasons extremely adept at finding patterns we might not ourselves notice; that's why we make them, for their unique perspective of sorts but we (you) don't for some reason implicitly extend this reasoning for image generation and so on. The question is then what patterns are *they* seeing that we are not; and knowing that, understanding what we understand seems to another issue.
fractalcomputer: Or what about a video of a falling apple; has it inferred the existence of gravity or has it just understood that certain objects move in certain ways without really seeing the big picture of physics?
clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136230110891081821/1354460125028421742/raw.png?ex=67e55eca&is=67e40d4a&hm=8459cd606fe06a1d403a662e28360f984a4971bfb9b4bea3e69c6611664a6410&
fractalcomputer: Take for example a picture of a man and his proportions; we naturally understand his morphology through these notions, proportions and so on, but how might we be sure that the network is thinking about proportions and measures and so on?
spicy.lemonade: sure itl understand what the photos depict. but if you want the models to be accurate to real world as possible then just give it constant stream of photos of real world
darkstar0818: Give humans a choice between a peak mathematician philosopher and degenerate cartoon photo generator and the choice is clear.
fractalcomputer: Can we really trust neural networks to infer the same abstractions we naturally make based on our common lived consensus?
fractalcomputer: Between which things is it learning to make the connections? Between the pictures or objects in the real world or both (to what degree it can, limited by the data)?
darkstar0818: Today  proves that intelligence stands no chance against a meme generator.
fractalcomputer: I mean, let's presume that their capabilities were trained on tons of pictures or paintings; presumably taken or painted by humans of the real world with the intentions of depicting it more or less faithfully and so on—would it now "understand" (how I hate that word, but we shall go by your definition) only the depictions or the real world presented therein with varying degrees of accuracy and symbolism?
spicy.lemonade: duck


sarik0497: Nothing really is shown to come this year atm besides GPT-5 <:sadcat:1160227095985787041>
hey1_1hey: We don't mention that part round here
burnytech: https://fxtwitter.com/jam3scampbell/status/1903892579097469345?t=HBkFzpP_bbeeiIgtJwb6Ww&s=19
joaoluz19: What you really need is love instead of just looks.
_3sphere: I just hope it won't cause craziness or extreme entitlement
joaoluz19: But as Entropy said, you know what's funny, it's about how little many men need
okbut: If they figure out profiteering matches (over app usage)
joaoluz19: That's the goal
st.sioux: i hope
st.sioux: by that point we will have the perfectly engineered match
joaoluz19: Nah for me mind uploading is about paradise in many different ways, multiplying intelligence, stimulating positive emotions, rebuilding the environment
_3sphere: What if we kissed both in the same zip file 😳
joaoluz19: Literally me
hikukomoru: ASI match maker
okbut: The unimaginable power of a mind upload for finding a match
_3sphere: ASI will run a dating app as a public utility to avoid such perverse incentives :3
joaoluz19: Of course, there is always a conflict of interest.
joaoluz19: Who managed to make a 3b model go from 2% to 82% in calculus
okbut: Right-swipe elo, it's totally backwards from actually finding people good matches, but it boosts ego and keeps the person swiping on "pretty" people
joaoluz19: I'm studying Ladder but will give it a look
_3sphere: dating elo 💀
joaoluz19: I personally don't like the idea of dating apps but it's interesting to see the systems engineering
okbut: I imagine it's great for the companies though which obv prefer the users stay on the app longer
okbut: But still higher than "interests" is "elo" (How many right-swipes a person gets) which is dumb
joaoluz19: But I'm talking about the algorithms themselves, I remember when they launched TikTok and a lot of people were hyped.
_3sphere: Biggest AI news to me right now is the METR task length scaling paper
okbut: If I remember right, the card-type apps (Tinder, Bumble, etc) put those with similar "interests" (those you provide it to the API) and prioritize those
joaoluz19: Cute
_3sphere: Today I played Factorio and Super Metroid almost all day and spent 10 minutes preparing for tomorrow's physics test 🙃
hikukomoru: *no new SOTA model released in a week* - "It's so fucking over, Singularity cancelled"
darkstar0818: if humans are only picking up on 1% of what is happening in 2024, and 0.5% in 2025 its going to seem like the same level of change.
darkstar0818: I think you young ones are just used to shit happening so fast that you miss most of it so it seems like nothing is happening 🙂
joaoluz19: Still, I wanted to see the algorithms and mathematical treatment they used.
_3sphere: The best kind of wireheading
joaoluz19: Lol I didn't know, it's interesting to explore how far we can go with behaviorism alone, but I mean using neural data, generating ideal people and environments
okbut: My gf is the hottest girl in the world, because she just like me
okbut: They all do but they're all circumvented by the human preference of vision
A truly powerful match-finding algorithm will severely decrease the weight on that and improve focus on similarity and compatibility
joaoluz19: Apart from Sesame I don't think there was anything REALLY impressive too this year but I think maybe the agents towards the end of the year might be like WOW
sarik0497: At least tell me cryo sleep is gonna work, because the wait is loooooong <:sadge:892224282363588679>
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/chud-nothing-ever-happens-nothing-ever-happens-gif-5603746312914518503


himekokatagiri: take it
ailoveyoom: Wow I literally left for 2 minutes and someone got banned 💀
himekokatagiri: whatever feels nice
himekokatagiri: It's easy
fractalcomputer: I think the key problem here is that one cannot use evidence - whatever it may be - to simply support any given point of view as given.
spicy.lemonade: 😭
sieventer: gg
hikukomoru: Retard
spicy.lemonade: this dude is trolling
st.sioux: thats not appeal to authority, thats appeal to evidence
fractalcomputer: I'll just ban you.
spicy.lemonade: ok
fractalcomputer: That's got nothing to do with the problem we're discussing.
spicy.lemonade: if not for this ramanujan would not be known
spicy.lemonade: literally it
spicy.lemonade: and replicatable
spicy.lemonade: publish proof of it
spicy.lemonade: if you have something that goes against the grain
spicy.lemonade: stem has measures for this
spicy.lemonade: I disagree
fractalcomputer: No, I think he is a retard.
spicy.lemonade: it seems like you agree with XAU therfore you chose to giv ehim the benefit of the doubt
st.sioux: stem is one of the few fields where relying on authority alone should be completely avoided
sieventer: I'm the most underrated member here. Everyone thinks that I'm a NEET, and actually, I'm top-tier elite scientist currently.
fractalcomputer: I'm not seeing your point. Are you suggesting that I should treat everyone here with open-mindedness? With a sense of childlike curiosity and wonder?
spicy.lemonade: who outnumbers his sentiment
fractalcomputer: Oh I agree, it is incredibly unlikely that this would be the case. But that doesn't lend a single bit of credence to simply presupposing that the cited "authorities" are any more correct than that person.
spicy.lemonade: why are you being contrarian again. you could apply that arguement for every single member here
fractalcomputer: And how do you know he is not?
ai9708: and definitely not talk about it
hikukomoru: Ermmm don't you know some random dude on discord is more trustworthy than people who dedicated their entire careers and lives to AI research
ai9708: you should have stopped reading sth like that after the first few words or sentences
fractalcomputer: In the words of the immortal jgudy, "Have you taken real analysis yet? I think that forces you to learn rigor."
spicy.lemonade: realistically if a random guy online said they solved xyz with nothing more to support academia laughs
trey6033: Oof, quantum physicists would give you the wide eye for this one
spicy.lemonade: idk how we managed to argue about appeal to authority being correct. especially in something as concrete as stem
sieventer:
fractalcomputer: Apparently the internet is full of retards that can't distinguish philosophy of science from science.
hikukomoru:
fractalcomputer: Most definitely not.


drewsni: I’ll have to flesh out some thoughts on my idea. Not necessarily for a startup or something dumb but I do think that’s kinda where this is heading
hey1_1hey: We can create so much cool shit
hey1_1hey: I think image gen will tide us over for a while <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zoermena: Oh my god this is so good
futurist_wizard: Minecraft in 2012
zoermena: Im going to get nitro next month and make emotes with 4o
spicy.lemonade: :(
spicy.lemonade: No drops today
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: He slayin'
hey1_1hey:
gamerbath: 🔥
gamerbath: I love that
.histic:
hikukomoru: Putina and Trumpina look like such queens 💅 💅 🔥
hey1_1hey: I could honestly see vladamir in a suit like that on the street 😭
.histic: the realism is so good.
.histic: uhhh
.histic: would.
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: This is peak tbf
.histic:
zoermena: Mushroom man’s and spicy lemonades profile picture where my best outputs imo
spicy.lemonade: No one would even know
spicy.lemonade: I wish I could go back to 2020 with 4o and become a world class artist
hikukomoru: I've stolen the legendary gooner status from MichMach 🙏 🔥
.histic: 4o too op
zoermena: I just said that it should add creativity details and the text, the pfp itself radiates those vibes I gather
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/nikitabier/status/1905010454386110975?s=46
hikukomoru: Why does she look 5 years old 🙏 💔
hikukomoru: OH MY GOD
zoermena: It’s cool but the character looks way to young
.histic: why was that censored 💀
.histic:
zoermena: <@505313122802728972>
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: I remember talking to chatgpt the other day on mushrooms being controlled by a couple AIs and it brought up softmax <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey:
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/ohhp-gif-14866908656190480427
.wolfnacht: Rip Adobe


fractalcomputer: I am interested in knowing why people here are always so confident in their predictions when rarely if ever any of the specific predictions made here come true.
spicy.lemonade: claude plays pokemon but infinite memory and better reasoning
anathemaofmankind: Yeah
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: more context+agent&tool for loop+ more reasoning scale would be enough for a quickly ducktaped version of AGI
fractalcomputer: Easier said than done.
anathemaofmankind: I feel like if you add long term planing then it's going to be human level in most job performances
anathemaofmankind: <@806143139894525962>
anathemaofmankind: LLMs are already human level in a lot of areas
anathemaofmankind: Pics or it didn't happen
sarik0497: That’s a strong point, and something a lot of people have said. Even with current tech, AI will change a lot of things for good, and likely speed up sectors.
alejandrozarzuelo: i have long luscious curly hair
alejandrozarzuelo: im the furthest thing from bald you could think
sarik0497: We don’t really know.

It’s the same with the brain. We once thought “Oh, to simulate the brain you just need X amount of compute. We’ll get there in 2025!” only to later realize that the is far, far bigger than anticipated, and we’re still far away from that level of compute.

AGI could be 1 upgrade away. It could be 10, or 50. We don’t really know until we see it.
spicy.lemonade: the first 80% should be enough for automated research agents
spicy.lemonade: idk if itl be like that
spicy.lemonade: i hate copyright. hopefully grok makes their own native image gen on the same level. got a screenshot before it deleted
anathemaofmankind: Agents and long context?
anathemaofmankind: What are we missing right now
sarik0497: I think the thing people should be ready for is that the first 80% might be easy, but the last 20% will take forever.

We often hear something going really well, and then it just slows down immensely close to the finish line because it was harder than they expected.
alejandrozarzuelo: LMAOOOO
anathemaofmankind: I bet you're bald
anathemaofmankind: Says the furry
alejandrozarzuelo: AI could have a dot com bubble moment tho
alejandrozarzuelo: we shouldnt mock people tho

i dislike when Fractal does it (which he tends to do with basically anyone) and I dislike it when it happens to people I disagree with

supporting AI art can be made without mocking artists
rayanquitplayin: AI’s built different
spicy.lemonade: exept ai is constantly getting better and changing
spicy.lemonade: one thing that people then tried to build on
spicy.lemonade: same with nfts
spicy.lemonade: and wasnt continouly being worked on
spicy.lemonade: it was one thing
spicy.lemonade: difference between AI "bubble" and other bubbles is dotcom was one inovation
anathemaofmankind: Imagine GPT 6 just being 30% better than 5 or some shit
alejandrozarzuelo: i do agree, AI art isnt yet as good as human made art

YET

as per the second argument, people copy styles all the time, it has always been allowed, this is a difference of scale
_3sphere: Is generally just satisfying to have made something
anathemaofmankind: I mean If GPT 10+ isn't AGI then the previous iterations would just be disappointing shit
spicy.lemonade: its never popping
_3sphere: Hm, I have yet to have a particularly mystical experience with art
spicy.lemonade: it wont generate nintendo stuff. idk why theres a strong copyright for nintendo
_3sphere: Not very likely I think but it's possible


fuhulootogan: you can't really compare say, AGI to humans
wellmeaningalien: <a:droid_cry_squish:1229586954518007869>
wellmeaningalien: people who say humans are pathetic as if intelligence is objective and measurable contrasted to some control
futurist_wizard: KA POW
st.sioux: that is why financial fair play rules exist and other similar regulations
fuhulootogan: well tbf we're pretty smart on our own and theres not really an "evolutionary" incentive to have shmorter brains
st.sioux: coaching encompasses everything from training to execution during competition, rules during competition get stricter to level the playing field
alejandrozarzuelo: We were talking about athletic performance but intelligence too
alejandrozarzuelo: And they train you
fuhulootogan: better as in intelligence?
alejandrozarzuelo: You get a coach
alejandrozarzuelo: Isn't this what coaching is!
alejandrozarzuelo: My point is to let AI coach humans, we won't be getting any better
st.sioux: because i think you're talking about coaching in the sense of training not during competition
wellmeaningalien: but today u could never pass with a console with no backlight or colors lol
fuhulootogan: what is your point
alejandrozarzuelo: What do you mean?
wellmeaningalien: like atari lynx and game gear were objectively superior specs wise but they were way too expenive and nobody wanted to buy it and so they didnt get nearly the same software support
futurist_wizard: Those are in the pipeline
futurist_wizard: What about the near drugs that just lower myostatin therefore building muscle without doing anything
fuhulootogan: what
wellmeaningalien: like the atari lynx and game gear
st.sioux: if you're talking about coaching during training or simulations that is already fair game im talking about competition
wellmeaningalien: in the end ur point is right because the technological limations of the time made the gameboy objectively more successful than those competitors
fuhulootogan: since its a highlight
fuhulootogan: the no color version was cheaper so imma just basically compare that one
fuhulootogan: oh yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: An infinite amount of coaching won't help
wellmeaningalien: and im just nerding out now
futurist_wizard: Kaplat
wellmeaningalien: but it was too expensive and too much batteries
futurist_wizard: Kapow
wellmeaningalien: to be fair sega game gear of the same era had color and backlight
alejandrozarzuelo: You can give a human a thousand times better coaching that it will only get 1% better, give it a billion times more coaching and maybe another 1%
fuhulootogan: let me catch up on the convo
wellmeaningalien: lol yeah fair ig
fuhulootogan: oh wait
alejandrozarzuelo: We have to remember humans are pathetic
fuhulootogan: very ancient
fuhulootogan: no color just pixels


ldj: and shown some SOTA results already on models understanding motion physics from unsupervised video learning
joaoluz19: He has multi-billion dollar resources: data centers, a vast pool of global talent to work with, and lots of data. If he can't show concrete results, he should start rethinking the creation of a new paradigm or valuing LLMs more, considering that they already have a non-trivial utility.
ldj: He's already released multiple papers on JEPA, as well as worked on multiple papers involving agentic training for LLMs
ldj: Yann has already been working on other stuff.
destrucules: Wait really? I thought he was very involved with GPT-4
joaoluz19: Right, but he was involved in the reasoning models. I mean, if the individual is not working in the current models then he must show something different whatever it is.
fractalcomputer: I do not see the connection.
ldj: Ilya sutskever was the chief scientist of OpenAI and also wasn't involved much in GPT-4
ldj: and he's not involved much at all on Llama
ldj: Chief scientist*
joaoluz19: Considering he is a chief engineer of a trillion dollar company then yes
ldj: https://github.com/NousResearch/Atropos
ldj: Nous RL framework is now open sourced
professorheaven: LLMs are already doing things he himself never thought was possible
professorheaven: It’s funny because Yan LeCun from 3 years ago would’ve laughed in your face if you told him LLMs could ace math competitions one day and yet here we are
ldj: https://huggingface.co/spaces/RWKV-Red-Team/RWKV-LatestSpace
ldj: Here
ldj: Apparently their 1B is competing with Qwen-3 1B
ldj: Speaking of rwkv, they have a new model up.
destrucules: Or what's his face who made RWKV. He's not a laughing stock
fractalcomputer: Is that a problem? Does one need to provide alternatives?
destrucules: I didn't say Connor Leahy was a laughing stock. He spent a lot of work on new architectures too
destrucules: I agree
joaoluz19: The problem is that he hasn't shown how his architecture is superior so far.
joaoluz19: But some skepticism of LLM and looking for new architectures I don't see a problem with that
joaoluz19: There are some things that are hard to swallow, like LeCun saying that GPT was less than "cat level" in intelligence.
destrucules: They're moon landing deniers, not respectable scientists
destrucules: Laugh at them. They've earned it
destrucules: This is the New York Times saying we would have flying machines a million years from now the day before humans actually invented the first powered human flight vehicles, except Marcus and Mitchell and LeCun are still pretending we can't build airplanes when they're flying around in the sky carrying people from city to city every day
destrucules: So does Mitchell
destrucules: So does Marcus
destrucules: He deserves it
st.sioux: so much disrespect
destrucules: Yup. Was on a lot of teams that did great work in the 2010s and now it's revealed that he had no sauce at all
destrucules: Okay so on AIME'25 Grok 3 mini (no reasoning effort specified) is close second place to o3 mini (high) - that's *one* benchmark
trey6033: o3 mini high is strongest model on AIM 2025 @pass1
joaoluz19: I mean being top 8 in world citations is big
trey6033:
destrucules: <@426634483689848843> do you see the numbers now? I wasn't whiffing your point, I was trying to show you that across metrics, unless you're exclusively looking at LiveCodeBench or HLE, Grok 3 mini is actually stronger than o3 mini
st.sioux: working on them probably


darkstar0818: so I am assuming going forward naming will just be version flash/pro
literallyvarane: It very well could be 1T+ I assume grok and 4.5 are.

The real question for me is if this is based upon 2.0 Pro, or based upon an entirely different base model.
darkstar0818: They said in the report card that they will no longer release non-thinking models.
darkstar0818: When are they going to release the new flash thinking model or flash 2.5 🙂
literallyvarane: Who names these things.
literallyvarane: ?????
literallyvarane: 2.0 Flash Thinking Experimental
2.0 Pro Experimental
~~2.0 Pro Thinking
2.5 Flash
2.5 Pro~~
2.5 Pro Experimental (that’s actually a thinking model)
darkstar0818: The card they released implied it should be relatively cheap compared to the comptition, so we will see.
maintcrew: also google has TPUs and crazy internal infra and if even they cant offer it for cheap then it means its a morbidly obese maybe 1T+ model
drewsni: Whether it’s because it just released or not it’s the slowest model I’ve benched so far
literallyvarane: Google’s naming is such a shit show llololo
literallyvarane: So who knows how expensive this is.
darkstar0818: Its thinking tokens also appear to be very concise in testing so far, so I suspect on avereage it burns less tokens.
metaldragon01: Sheeesh
literallyvarane: Until we have API pricing it’s a hard comp. 50 uses/day *is* 4.5 levels of access with a much smaller user base tbh.
darkstar0818: its not using expensive inference techniques like majority voting either..
literallyvarane: It’s a slightly quirky model by the benches. Probably the best *overall* model, even if others beat it in specific domains.
zonchao: probably
literallyvarane: Does this just straight > grok in most cases?
hikukomoru: Yes you fucking idiot
literallyvarane: Yes
maintcrew: yeppers
zonchao: is it a thinking model?
okbut: We've never been so back
literallyvarane: I think simpleqa is as much a reflection of how big your model is as it is intelligence tbh. Odds are 4.5 is just a much fatter model.
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/motomoto-gif-24380022
drewsni: ```The presence of numerous aircraft parked alongside the highway, combined with the Sapra trucking trailer, suggests proximity to Tinker Air Force Base. This base is near Oklahoma City, OK. The street view shows a multi-lane highway with aircraft clearly visible on one side, consistent with the I-40 location near Tinker AFB.```

ok not bad not bad
hikukomoru: Morbidly a beast? You bet your ass
memlaswaif: 4.5 is an obese model
maintcrew: affirm by saying amen in the chat
maintcrew: ancient wisdom so real
hikukomoru:
zonchao: <:fatsad:1240464608498552892>
maintcrew: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604
zonchao: Google woke up after a big nap
darkstar0818: Its interesting GPT 4.5 still beats it on SimpleQa
literallyvarane: QUICK ARE WE GASSING IT FOR IS OR IS THE SINGULARITY OVER???
drewsni: and its much better
drewsni: ya you can now
maintcrew: or do i need their lame ass "genai" sdk


maintcrew: i stg this and ghibli art from 4o image gen destroyed my x timeline
brain4brain: Since it can keep consistent character and interpolate style, I wonder if it can clone this style of image: https://civitai.com/models/293690/konyakarasue-style-or-reattempt-or-thisisntai-project
_cloudost: youre the best 👍🏻
spicy.lemonade:
_cloudost: <@471334973379706900> I made this pose in blender, can you make him dab
spicy.lemonade: Yes
_cloudost: if i get access
_cloudost: with this model
_cloudost: can i alter images too?
spicy.lemonade:
_cloudost: yesterday gemini generated a story for me thats hilarious as well even though i didnt specify it being funny
_cloudost: yep, and creative as well
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2025/03/25/introducing-researcher-and-analyst-in-microsoft-365-copilot/
jonvi_1:
spicy.lemonade: this is too funny
spicy.lemonade:
benata: Gemini 2.5 is so fucking good
wolf3404: apparently the just got 200 million funding so hopefully they'll build cool stuff
wolf3404: https://x.com/hyperbolic_labs/status/1904324106633478332
wolf3404: I've been using Hyperbolic to test V3 0324 and it's working really well so far, you can do in app chat or API and access a bunch of other OS models.
aero447: Revert the change
aero447: 😮💨
ailoveyoom: It's ugly af 😭
futurist_wizard: new discord ui looks cool
wolf3404: time is negative space
spicy.lemonade: its just interpolating
spicy.lemonade: its not doing complex reasoning
spicy.lemonade: its like how 4o can replicate your writing style from a single essay
spicy.lemonade: it cant
brain4brain: I’m curious about the diffusion model and native modality. It seems to be able to replicate an art style based on a single image, which seems way more complex than a few pixels from ARC-AGI, and paired with an advanced reasoning model, we should’ve solved ARC-AGI, but LLM is still stuck. I wonder why.
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: I wonder if censoring stuff/preventing them from talking about stuff feels like edging to the AI
spicy.lemonade: this is crazy
spicy.lemonade: wow
spicy.lemonade:
.wolfnacht: now can u try on this ? [this is the only high resolution i found, but it's in black and white]
.wolfnacht: 💀  holy shit, it turned out to be tooo good!
spicy.lemonade: or experience time backwards
spicy.lemonade: you cant think backwards in time


spicy.lemonade: HOW IS IT GONNA DRAW MATHEMATICSL FIGURES IF IT CANT DRAW
spicy.lemonade: HOW IS IT GONNA WRITE RESEARCH IF IT CANT WRITE AN ESSAY
wellmeaningalien: someone keeps making CCTV footage of people stealing things from supermarkets in the 80s/90s
hikukomoru: "Wow. Everything's woman."
wellmeaningalien: my mom is ginger and me n my brothers have black hair cause of my dad
st.sioux: There's so many women, wow
wellmeaningalien: blonde hair genes are recessive and black hair genes are dominant
st.sioux: Idk
hey1_1hey: Sundar is really feelin it
hey1_1hey: Thats fuck up bro 😭
.wolfnacht: wait, isn't her hair should be a bit blonde ?
wellmeaningalien: mark zuckerberg dog
.wolfnacht: this one hits hard
.histic:
hikukomoru: I meant to post the jorking one
.histic: damn she got abs.
hikukomoru: wrong gif
hey1_1hey: "What you doing step-tank, oh don't load your APDS into me 🥵 "
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-shinji-shinji-ikari-ikari-neon-genesis-evangelion-gif-21115075
.histic:
wellmeaningalien: yeah bro there are so many obvious gooners on this site
wellmeaningalien: ts hard
ailoveyoom: What do you mean children literally used to drink milk from there
st.sioux: Yeah they're using the thing to make their ideal woman and shit, look at the descriptions:

> A photorealistic full-body image of a beautiful woman of mixed Japanese and Nordic descent, with very long brunette hair in soft waves with stark blonde and red highlights throughout, and bright blue eyes. She has elegant gold earrings with green gemstones. She has a tall, slender, athletic figure with glowing, lightly tanned skin. She’s seated gracefully on the edge of a neatly made bed in a softly lit room, her legs crossed at the knees in a relaxed, elegant pose. She’s wearing a snug, fitted ribbed off-the-shoulder white crop sweater that features a small, tasteful keyhole design in the front. Her matching ruched lounge-style bottoms rest softly on her hips. She also wears tall ribbed white socks that reach over her knees, knit arm sleeves, and a delicate lace choker. A subtle belly ring adds a touch of sparkle, and a few simple rings on her fingers enhance the refined look. Her expression is calm and relaxed, with a soft, thoughtful gaze. The image is clear and detailed from head to toe, with gentle, natural lighting and a warm, inviting setting.
wellmeaningalien: if u ask the ai to make their clothes transparent it'll draw tits
wellmeaningalien: it does have restrictions but they kinda found a workaround
ailoveyoom: Jorking it to the tanks
hey1_1hey: Wait really?I can't belive they dont have any restriction, thanks disgusting. Theres children who can acess that site, whats the link? Where can I find it?
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: What is Shinji doing in Tiananmen Square
spicy.lemonade: I really want to see o1 but for
Image gen to fix these minor minor errors
hikukomoru: Is that Shinji
wellmeaningalien: bruh theres so many people making tits on the sora website
clevermoniker: lmao the ai doesn't want to shoot  at him it seems, there's no reason for that to not be straight
.histic: that could easily be a pfp
futurist_wizard: Went there to hike
st.sioux:
hey1_1hey: You must of been hallucinating
futurist_wizard: I've been to llanberis it was nice
hikukomoru: Someone please nuke that godforsaken island


hey1_1hey: That escalated quickly
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm not autistic I swear
hey1_1hey: Autistic and gay in 1 realisation
wellmeaningalien: 💀 did i ever say i was??????
hey1_1hey: LMAO
maintcrew: im in the 10%, what some may call the elite, the cream of the society
futurist_wizard: Pretty sure somebody did a poll and over 50% selected autism
alejandrozarzuelo: Aren't you gay too? Or bi?
hey1_1hey: (Its horrible please send help)
zoermena: If we include food I inherited a shit digestive system, thanks genetics, this is worse than the height thing.
hey1_1hey: ARFID twinning
hikukomoru: Autism 90% of server
hey1_1hey: Dont answer that question
futurist_wizard: The autism is way higher
hikukomoru: Me too
hey1_1hey: How <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: Erectus
futurist_wizard: We'll all knew
hikukomoru: Homo 🏳🌈
wellmeaningalien: bonne nuit à toi cher homo
drewsni: cant argue with that
hey1_1hey: I got ADHD, Autism and the weird eating disorder no one knows about. I am doing amazing tho
technocake.: just try and test it i dare you
futurist_wizard: Im barely gay
hikukomoru: Bon nuit
wellmeaningalien:
maintcrew: 1 (me), 1 (you and trent), 1 (me)
wellmeaningalien: ok im getting real sleepy right now i think im gonna stop posting gpt 4o image and head to sleep
technocake.: nah man the whole cats have 9 lives thing is true for humans too
zoermena: I have adhd I’m in my early 20s I might have autism it runs in the family
alejandrozarzuelo: 40% gay? No way

Gay ≠ LGBT
hikukomoru: Trent says he's sane but idk
hey1_1hey: I think I just found a human operating system error
wellmeaningalien: anytime dude
hikukomoru: Zero 💔
zoermena: You are the goat
futurist_wizard: 24
drewsni: the real question is what % is straight, married, and normal mental health
hey1_1hey: Hold old are you then
alejandrozarzuelo: That's cheating, everyone would


alejandrozarzuelo: the thing is, human brains are limited, so we are limited to one single branch of math
futurist_wizard: 29 in 2029
alejandrozarzuelo: math is generalizeable to all branches, if you have the intelligence to go on frontier discreet math you have the intelligence to do abstract algebta or topology
alejandrozarzuelo: portugais
fractalcomputer: Which area of research?
fractalcomputer: Yes, I was asking about math.
alejandrozarzuelo: so oooooooooooooooooooold
memlaswaif: invite me to it <:cozy:1126601045615853671>
alejandrozarzuelo: ill be 28
aero447: 😫
aero447: I would feel bad about it.
spicy.lemonade: loll
aero447: 😮💨
aero447: BTW I hate you forinviting me to that server with lots of cute nice people in and even a bot that's polite because I can't leave.
spicy.lemonade: you could just say youd be both 22/23 that year
hey1_1hey: Indeed. September for me
spicy.lemonade: depends on month
spicy.lemonade: well no 23
hey1_1hey: 06'
hey1_1hey: They sure do
spicy.lemonade: same
aero447: That implies you're a 2007 baby.
aero447: Bruh.
futurist_wizard: Ai schizos start young these days
wellmeaningalien:
memlaswaif: what's edp doing there
shirethedreamer: when you take first place in an international math competition and get summoned to a fantasy world believing you are magic badass champion
joaoluz19: Made for a friend
joaoluz19:
.wolfnacht: wait has no one tried to make a ghibli version of him ?
shirethedreamer: why didnt it do the sussy vance in the back?
its so good with detail usually?
spicy.lemonade: it really got the open eyes
.wolfnacht:
spicy.lemonade: ML or math. those of which require the least physical things to test with
memlaswaif: how old r u
shirethedreamer: its out of jealousy bruh
shedding that much time off my clock would do wonders for my lev chances
.wolfnacht: one day i'll be this
fractalcomputer: In what area?
spicy.lemonade: might even make a big discovery next year
spicy.lemonade: frontier math


inferno0879: language generally makes things easier to explain but sometimes i feel like it creates the problem it's trying to solve
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, my argument was that requiring that humans do it inside the definition of art is not useful, and hasnt been useful for a while

the same way that requiring a car to have an engine in order to fit the definition of a car is not useful either
fuhulootogan: wait
alejandrozarzuelo: yes
ailoveyoom: But a super useful tool
ailoveyoom: Yeah so languages are fake 😎
alejandrozarzuelo: definitions change to serve the needs of society
alejandrozarzuelo: lots of things do
ailoveyoom: Didn't computer literally change defs?
alejandrozarzuelo: and then the second definition stopped being useful
fuhulootogan: the understanding changed
alejandrozarzuelo: because the original definition stpped being useful
fuhulootogan: not really
alejandrozarzuelo: one day we woke up and changed the definiiton of marriage from "all the human possesions of a head of family" to "a union between a man and a woman" to "a union between two people"
fuhulootogan: what do you mean by useful to society
fuhulootogan: ai god ai god
fuhulootogan: hahahaha
frittata: Agreed
frittata: Future AIs reading this like 🤦
alejandrozarzuelo: ok, call it whatever, say it is descriptivist, my argument was that the definitions of anything are not based on objectibe reality, they are decided and changed based on what is useful to societu
fuhulootogan: i was contemplating it
fuhulootogan: well
ailoveyoom: We can just change defs
inferno0879: arbiters follow the rules but make judgement calls
ailoveyoom: Gang we made up language
fuhulootogan: i was just about to say that
frittata: Strong linguistic descriptivist over here ofc
fuhulootogan: this
alejandrozarzuelo: they are agreed upon
frittata: Anyway I don’t think I would call definitions arbitrary as much as based on a common understanding, which may change over time
alejandrozarzuelo: the rules of football , definitions, are not based on objective reality
fuhulootogan: seems debatable
fuhulootogan: your point of definitions being arbitrary
fuhulootogan: even though i'm not clear on the definition of arbitrary
alejandrozarzuelo: arbitrary just means that it is not objective

for example, the rules of football are arbitrary, we decided these rules to be this way and there is no objective reason why they culd not be another way
fuhulootogan: i'd just like to add this in
fuhulootogan: a lot of differentiating diverse definitions right here
fuhulootogan: yikes
alejandrozarzuelo: all definitions are
inferno0879: my personal opinion is that arbitrary is similar in meaning to debatable