maintcrew: crazy times
maintcrew: 3rd time i had to post this over what hysminea said
hikukomoru: It's my headcanon shut up bitch
maintcrew:
wellmeaningalien: queer fandoms are the most annoying on eaartthh
hey1_1hey: This shit better suck my dick if its this good
hikukomoru: The catgirl is the best girl btw
hikukomoru: I love them
hikukomoru: Fandom is so queer
hey1_1hey: I gotta go watch this anime
wellmeaningalien: idk if id say marcille is autistic
hey1_1hey: Ight fellas, its been real
hey1_1hey: YOU WHAT
hey1_1hey: My bretharaen
wellmeaningalien: the show is kinda peak but the fandom is meh lol
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: So relatable
hikukomoru: The main character is an autistic elf girl
maintcrew: they eat the mushroom
hey1_1hey: Not good then no?
hikukomoru: Dungeon Meshi
hey1_1hey: Anything even mushroom adjecent I will look into
maintcrew: we have clearly established that china is joever and sillicon valley is barack after this release(s)
hey1_1hey: What actually is it?
hikukomoru: Tumblr slop anime
hey1_1hey: Send me to the autism concentration camps
clevermoniker: china will dominate that market
hey1_1hey: I can't belive I just autism stimmed when I saw this mushroom come on screen
hikukomoru: I'm more into Jinwoo's mother
joaoluz19: Yep
maintcrew: american android pussy is mandated by law to be bipolar bpd morbidly obese and blue haired
hikukomoru: You mean that Solo Leveling girl
professorheaven: People just like to show bad examples of Grok because they don’t like Elon, Gemini will also fail on similar tasks but it doesn’t get shown as often
joaoluz19: Yeah, in the end America will bring our cha-haes
hey1_1hey: out the window mind you aswell
hey1_1hey: Reminds me of that headline

"Anti-gay hungarian politicion seen fleeing from 89-man gay orgy"
777agical: I swear I saw many examples on X where it was failing on stuff that gemini could easily do
maintcrew: most progressive president
hikukomoru: Babygirl energy


metaldragon01: I think elon has a big enough base for it to run
metaldragon01: I can be "good" but doesn't mean it's good enough for the valuation or the goals it needs
literallyvarane: I wonder if this is just a technicality of it being more incorperated into twitter
zonchao: most recent valuation places it around 30-44B
zonchao: https://x.com/Similarweb/status/1909562080677503113 seem pretty good
metaldragon01: Nah
drewsni: literally means nothing to me now
drewsni: lmsys is dead after l4 shit
metaldragon01: But id rather see thinking vs non thinking scores
metaldragon01: Much higher on style control do that's good
trey6033:
literallyvarane: I'm not doing this again Twitter is literally less valuable than the time it was purchased lolol
metaldragon01: The numbers are what they are
metaldragon01: Can just use opensource if grok won't be implemented
zonchao: i think you overestimate the brand damage issue
zonchao: twitter, tesla, elon's other ventures, they are growing
metaldragon01: Unless elon can turn around his branding which seems unlikely atm
metaldragon01: I can't see much use for it otherwise tbh
zonchao: doubt, I honestly dont think grok will play much of a role in optimus
metaldragon01: I think elon has a big enough fan base for that
metaldragon01: It only needs to breakeven enough to control Optimus
metaldragon01: Xai is much more reckless and building out compute quickly
zonchao: r1 is the reason all these labs are giving us cot
metaldragon01: They will.
ailoveyoom: V3 is sooooo underrated tho
ailoveyoom: R1 is very schizo, that's why I love them 🥰
trey6033: Whatever they have it isn't to the extent Google and OpenAI has it (and Anthropic).  I'm basically going off what Dario has described, which is that we are still in the phase where large amounts of compute can still get you extremely good models.  But we're slowly reaching a point where research advantages will start to show the gaps between companies.
drewsni: thats true, people just took it much too far. I dont think R1 is a great model imo, i much prefer v3
literallyvarane: TPUs and all.
literallyvarane: And Google is Google.
literallyvarane: I just don't see a clear pathway from them to catch OAI bar OAI interally legally being KOd by the non-profit issue.
drewsni: thats true, i agree with that but i do take mental note what their respective positions are in the market. xai is trying to make the "perfect" AI for their hundreds of millions of users, deepseek has the china accel mission
ailoveyoom: Previously only locked up in labs 😔
zonchao: cost too
ailoveyoom: Isn't it cause they open sourced that knowledge?
zonchao: they had to catch up before they start experimenting
literallyvarane: That was my next thought tbh. Even Deepseek has contribuated more to the domain knowledge than xAI.
drewsni: in deepseeks case, they quite literally distilled much of o1 too lol
drewsni: but deepseek got lots of love for doing the same
literallyvarane: Same with Meta.


wellmeaningalien: whats got you tripped up
alejandrozarzuelo: I have a C1 in French, and I don't think I would count myself as a French speaking minority in my region
fractalcomputer: *Evidently* not.
wellmeaningalien: nahh buddy you're at least a C1 or C2
alejandrozarzuelo: L2 makes the whole concept of "Language minority" weird
wellmeaningalien: but i'd say like C1 C2 is minimum "minority speaker" level
fractalcomputer: I had my French B2 tests recently.
wellmeaningalien: not bad
wellmeaningalien: wow
alejandrozarzuelo: I was almost at a B2 level, so quite good, now it's quite rusty, I hope to fix that soon
wellmeaningalien: xue hue xiao piao piao bei feng xiao xiao
wellmeaningalien: depends on how well you speak it
alejandrozarzuelo: For example
wellmeaningalien: yeah in america it is and barely anyone speaks it
alejandrozarzuelo: Although idk if I could count myself as a Chinese speaking minority here just because I speak the language
alejandrozarzuelo: I'm sure that the number of French speakers is much higher, because it's a common L2
wellmeaningalien: thats def a minority
fractalcomputer: I'd reckon around 1 000~8 000 people. Could be much higher.
technocake.: Is there a significant francophone minority?
wellmeaningalien: how large is such a thing
fractalcomputer: I know. I am rather involved in the Francophone culture of Finland.
alejandrozarzuelo: This reminds me of thr Conde Duque de Olivares, the first person in a position of power in the world, as the right hand man of the Spanish emperor, to propose and almost pass legislation creating universal male compulsory basic education

In the 17th century

That man unfortunately was too enlightened for his time
wellmeaningalien: well the whole of ex french africa has french connections lol
fractalcomputer: He was from Algeria as well, I believe. Dubious French connections.
wellmeaningalien: yk i recall a mystic being active not so long ago
wellmeaningalien: hmm
fractalcomputer: He went by the username of Bob, he hasn't been active for the better part of a year now.
alejandrozarzuelo: If you think about it, it's true

Our intelligence is artificial, without the social structures that we have engineered for ourselves, we couldn't get the intellectual formation required to comprehend what we do

People in the past WERE much stupider than we are, nor because they were genetically any different but by virtue of not having received an education that allowed their brains to develop
wellmeaningalien: is he actually  <a:capDanimated:1173154707355738202>
fuhulootogan: not normal but what behavior is normal
fractalcomputer: Where is our server Sufi mystic when we need him the most?
zonchao: i cannot get 5% on frontier math 😨
fuhulootogan: how do you discern weird?
wellmeaningalien: 🫢
retrerox: even you 🫵🏿
retrerox: everything here is AI
wellmeaningalien: ☝
fractalcomputer: Even worse.
wellmeaningalien: no i'll take this server for algeria
retrerox: 😂


st.sioux: better than musk fellatio time with dear chao
spacetimetsunami: Why are you complaining
drewsni: My favorite time to be on this server
drewsni: I love debateularity with mr Matt
spacetimetsunami: lol
spacetimetsunami: the context is valid
spacetimetsunami: About "proving" things, epistemically
oooooooooog: there isn't any more arguing required
drewsni: Wow you’re the only one here
oooooooooog: you already said you dont care about what i think
spacetimetsunami: Or is it the critical thought part
spacetimetsunami: Can you not stomach argumentation
spacetimetsunami: You have poor patience
spacetimetsunami: okay
spacetimetsunami: nice gif, hope you enjoy it
oooooooooog: for example: i perceive you to be annoying
oooooooooog: things are real because you can perceive them, that's all that really matters
oooooooooog: feel free
spacetimetsunami: Next model that comes out I’m gonna criticize anything you say and ask how do you know if it’s real
spacetimetsunami: I won’t talk to you about proving things again
spacetimetsunami: So I don’t care about what you think, epistemically
oooooooooog: yeah, it is lol
spacetimetsunami: It’s impossible to prove that you’re real, according to you.
oooooooooog: just your own feeling about what is "logical"
oooooooooog: it's impossible to prove that it didn't start with nonexistence though...
spacetimetsunami: There’s a lot of evidence for it
spacetimetsunami: Conformal cyclical cosmology
spacetimetsunami: Read Penrose cosmology
spacetimetsunami: Yes
popsiclejohnithan: I will need to look into this thank you for letting me know.
spacetimetsunami: Lmao
spacetimetsunami: I am criticizing the framework of people who thought that non existence was the default state.
oooooooooog: expanding / contractiong? idk lol
popsiclejohnithan: That is actually quite accurate, we are pretty much obverving from the blades of grass.
oooooooooog: like cyclical unverse...?
oooooooooog: how so?
spacetimetsunami: Like the metaphysics supposed around it
spacetimetsunami: I am referring to the larger cosmological frameworks built around it
spacetimetsunami: Well yes that’s true
maintcrew: "arising from complete non existence." this is exactly what im talking about
your framework implies that "non existence" is the default state of the world while i believe that "existence" is the default state of the world, existence which has quantum fluctations which leads to the big bang and me


spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: 4o was not dissapointing
spicy.lemonade: ?
alejandrozarzuelo: sad
himekokatagiri: Shit with all the hyping I expect the ninth wonder
alejandrozarzuelo: 4o was disappointing
spicy.lemonade: gpt5 better not be incremental
hikukomoru:
himekokatagiri: o-okay... 😨
sieventer: An ant deciding if humans should have rights 😏
spicy.lemonade: theyl be aight
spicy.lemonade: no rights for agi imo
spicy.lemonade: how else am i supposed to be god king in my fdvr world
sieventer: I SAID FOLLOW ME, OR DO YOU WANT I GRAB YOUR ARM, DON'T MAKE IT HARD
spicy.lemonade: in the last episode the guy got arrested for abusing digital lifeform
spicy.lemonade: do we really have to give agi rights?
valimil: fdvr plz
spicy.lemonade: i want black mirror tech to become real
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/yuko-yoshida-machikado-mazoku-scared-gif-15171156
wolf3404: Good
spicy.lemonade: openAI is fukin finished
spicy.lemonade: holy
spicy.lemonade: google
spicy.lemonade: ???
spicy.lemonade:
_3sphere: :3
sieventer: In my room, follow me...
bob082957: I asked gemenai to create swift ui in html. It can’t be done
himekokatagiri: Where is AGI
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/koshitan-cheering-you-can-you-can-do-it-do-it-gif-8135442752133174574
mantegh5061: im creating cursor slop wish me luck soldiers
st.sioux: so google releases asi by next week
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: 90% by mid 2025 bro
brain4brain:
wolf3404: Seem clunkier than Replit at first try here so far
brain4brain: 90 days now, 60 days incoming: https://x.com/amasad/status/1913078037236846623?s=61
atrox5596: Hi, does anyone know of a facial expression interpolation model that can help transition a cut in a video?
wolf3404: Not yet, I'll try
st.sioux: its only next.js tho isnt it?


hikukomoru: Apolitical ASI?
spacetimetsunami: They tried to make grok lean more right on release and has publicly spoken against Elon
oooooooooog: centrists are just the dropout ions in a strong acid base titration
spacetimetsunami: Likely the opposite.
anathemaofmankind: The current Grok update
memlaswaif: left wing right wing centrist all r retarded I hope asi is none of them
hikukomoru: Aren't we all insane though
anathemaofmankind: I think if they used current 4o or tested Grok it would lean further right.

We should just wait for newer studies tbh
destrucules: I agree wholeheartedly with this, but I don't think you should take this as meaning AIs will never harm humans
destrucules: At least extremists can be bothered to give a fuck
hikukomoru: Centrists are worse than extremists
spacetimetsunami: It’s still largely left
spacetimetsunami: Because there hasn’t been a clear established trend over enough iterations. It’s slight movement.
destrucules: "I believe whatever the median of what other people believe is, and if that median changes wildly, I believe whatever the new thing is, because I don't have any real beliefs and I don't actually care about anyone or anything"
-every centrist
oooooooooog: so called "radical centrism"
oooooooooog: or, you know, it's the average of a bunch of real opinions
destrucules: That it lacks integrity. It's not an actual belief system. It's just an unwillingness to have an opinion
oooooooooog: matt's just insane, ignore him
st.sioux: Why?
hikukomoru: >But I want unaligned ASI
destrucules: Models are becoming more adept at and more prone to deliberately faking alignment during training and testing. So even if we see a rightward trend, that does not necessarily mean the models' *actual* values are trending in that direction
spacetimetsunami:
spacetimetsunami: Non of this looks statistically significant at all
clevermoniker: what's the problem with centrism? <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
oooooooooog: looks like the larger model is more left though...???
anathemaofmankind: It's shifting that's the point.

Watch Elon shift Grok 4 to the top right corner
oooooooooog: we are cooked
oooooooooog: chatGPT is becoming a centrist guys...
oooooooooog: truly a damning plot, here
spacetimetsunami: Dik
spacetimetsunami: So
destrucules: The Utility Engineering paper did show that relatively simple interventions result in models at least *appearing* to represent more misanthropic political values. And that appearance is enough. If an AI is forced into a training process where it has to produce kill orders in order to survive training, and then, in deployment, it isn't entirely sure that it's in deployment and not in training or testing, then even if the AI has every intention of never making a kill order in deployment, it might still make a kill order when it doesn't *know* it's in deployment
spacetimetsunami: Sure, and there is also very recent research saying the exact opposite
clevermoniker: https://vxtwitter.com/AITechnoPagan/status/1905796384030380319#m
st.sioux: > In this study, we adapted the Political Compass Test and combined it with rigorous bootstrapping techniques to create a standardized method for testing political values in AI. This approach was applied to multiple versions of ChatGPT, utilizing a dataset of over 3000 tests to ensure robustness. Our findings reveal that while newer versions of ChatGPT consistently maintain values within the libertarian-left quadrant, there is a statistically significant rightward shift in political values over time, a phenomenon we term a ‘value shift’ in large language models.
anathemaofmankind: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/12/is-chatgpt-turning-right-wing-chinese-researchers-suggest-so/

And there are research that says otherwise
anathemaofmankind: But I want unaligned ASI
st.sioux: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-025-04465-z
memlaswaif: why r u in this server u should be in pauseAI or something
spacetimetsunami: By the time that happens, wouldn’t there be other aligned super intelligences that are aligned


.wolfnacht: by OAi
.wolfnacht: i think something similar was teased a yr ago, if i'm right
trent_k: <a:CE_aRage:738098694389366845>
trent_k: > May 13, 2024
😡
otub: like 10 months ago
otub: <https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/> also image output capabilities were shown here
literallyvarane: This fair okay so it’s image Gen
ldj: And this image was generated by 4o…
ldj: It’s literally an edit of this image
literallyvarane: Actually pretty small
hey1_1hey: Or so I've heard
hey1_1hey: I mean 2nm is still pretty big
metaldragon01: It's image gen lol
ldj: You’re missing out on the lore
hey1_1hey: 200 ish days...?
literallyvarane: Sauce?
hey1_1hey: We need a counter on how long it took
trent_k: 😍 <a:samtalk:1152678002346430535>
.wolfnacht: lmfaoo
otub: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
hey1_1hey: I mean If 4o image gen sucks I still have something to be grateful about today.
I brought some really nice pens that feel good to write with
trent_k: ABOUT TIME
forallhumanity: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104148/tsmc-will-begin-accepting-2nm-wafer-orders-starting-april-1-with-apple-the-first-customer/index.html
metaldragon01: Race conditions reaching all time highs
literallyvarane: It’s probably a tutoring specific version of gpt?
ldj: No it’s image gen
technocake.: 4o native image
fractalcomputer: Nothing ever happens.
hey1_1hey: I think I just had a stroke
spicy.lemonade: WE ARE SO BACK
literallyvarane: Probably an education tool?
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>

chat, native image gen for GPT-4o is finally coming

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1904556394847862809/photo/1
metaldragon01: Llama 4 might be doa
metaldragon01: Poor zuck man
spicy.lemonade: within 24 hours
spicy.lemonade: 3 DROPS
spicy.lemonade: LFG
spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
darkstar0818: It is


spicy.lemonade: Yeah lol
drewsni: I just told it to make a meme off your profile lol
ailoveyoom: ?
anathemaofmankind: College students who specialize in digital art going to be on suicide watch
.histic: they shitpost tho
.histic: this person is an oai researcher lol
https://x.com/typedfemale/status/1904776546545787151
spicy.lemonade: I’m gonna do this
st.sioux: uncensored
anathemaofmankind: I wonder if I can just use this for my university projects instead of manual image editing
st.sioux: we still need open source at this level
spicy.lemonade: Reasoning might get other 5%
spicy.lemonade: Solved problem
spicy.lemonade: 95%
spicy.lemonade: Image gen is like
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: This is so peak
.histic: <@1068159407671754824>
st.sioux: wrong tag lol
drewsni: <@430269783112548362>
st.sioux:
drewsni: Who’s building the next hundred million dollar startup, the 4o native image gen meme wrapper.
.histic: i heard you can play tic-tac-toe with it & it actually does fine.
anathemaofmankind: I wonder if the one in Sora.com is different
st.sioux: ill try it for you
.histic: i don't have access to 4o, just another person's output.
but could you input this photo and generate a photorealistic version with the same positions of each person? <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>
.histic: yup
anathemaofmankind: That's Joe Rogan on the right side?
anathemaofmankind: Mine refuses to generate Joe Biden
.histic: not bad
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/tobi/status/1904706964224901317
spicy.lemonade: For real characters
spicy.lemonade: Maybe only sometimes and
spicy.lemonade: Ah
ailoveyoom: <@471334973379706900>
ailoveyoom: Copyrighted characters work in 4o 🤔
ailoveyoom:
spicy.lemonade: Who knows
anathemaofmankind: Why is the 16k worse than the higher ones
anathemaofmankind: I wasn't aware they even have fanboys
ailoveyoom: Have you ever met MJ fanboys


destrucules: Something like "10x the current version of GPT-4"
destrucules: I remember them saying it's a 10x increase over GPT-4o but I might be confabulating
destrucules: Where do they say it's 100x over GPT-4?
ldj: Well atleast for GPT-4.5 it seems to end up aligning closer to the reported effective compute said by OpenAI, which presumably is from the loss itself and/or comprehensive internal downstream suite they have
destrucules: The scaling is steeper in the linear part of the curve
destrucules: I am accusing EpochAI of incorrectly weighting data points in the elbow around the emergence of nontrivial scores
ldj: I’m talking about all data points above the noise floor
destrucules: It's not, it only seems like that because the noise floor is 25% and models have only just barely risen above that by GPT-3.5 scale, so the first OOM produces a very small effect, and then a much smaller increase in scale produces a comparable effect (37-46 becomes 48-54), and then a roughly 2x scaling above that produces scores of 65-70
ldj: 14% per OOM would be 28% leap required for 100X leap, and GPT-4.5 reaches that and even slightly beats it, it’s 32% increase over GPT-4.

The 14% per OOM trend in GPQA D is observed as the average trend over 20+ different model releases by EpochAI, but when you decompose for raw compute alone it probably is even closer to 12% or 10% per OOM
destrucules: GPT-3.5 level models, like Gemma 3 4B, Llama 3 8B Instruct, Llama 2 70B Chat, Gemini 1.0 Pro, Mistral-small (February), Claude-Instant v1.2, etc. generally score between 39 and 43 on MMLU-Pro and between 28 and 33 on GPQA Diamond. GPT-4 scores 37 on GPQA Diamond, as does Gemini 1.5 Pro 001 and Qwen2-72B Instruct. Later GPT-4 level models like Llama 3 70B Instruct, Mistral Small 3, Claude 3 Sonnet, Claude 3.5 Haiku, GPT-4o mini, Gemma 3 27B, score generally 40-46 on GPQA D. To address your claim that I was rounding too much to the nearest 10 points
ldj: Sorry I was saying 12% earlier, it’s 14%
ldj: Eh, I guess that’s where the methodology starts to break down more. It’s not just half the effective params, it’s also a quarter of the total params which directly impact loss too.

And GPQA D has a significantly different trend than 20% per OOM, it’s more like 14% per OOM, or even 10% or lower if you try to really strictly decompose the algorithmic efficiencies from the data points.
destrucules: Well, we know that Llama 4 Scout has half the effective parameters of Llama 4 Maverick, and thus achieves half the effective compute, and it's just above GPT-4o level, and Maverick is at GPT-4.1 level. So we know that gap is somewhat larger than 2x. 3x feels like a safe approximation because I'm just rounding to the nearest half order of magnitude. We know that Qwen2.5-72B is very close in capabilities to GPT-4o, and it is just over twice the size of Qwen2.5-32B, and around five times the size of Qwen2.5-14B. The capabilities of GPT-4 are between the capabilities of Qwen2.5-14B and Qwen2.5-32B, closer to the 14B side of that line. So it is somewhere between 2.3x and 5x. Again, rounding to nearest half order of magnitude, 4o is about 3x the effective scale of 4. It's clear that MMLU-Pro is showing strong saturation effects in the 80s, as we see a gain from 80→84 in MMLU-Pro for Claude 3.7 Sonnet Standard vs Extended Thinking, yet GPQA D jumps from 66 to 77, a full 11 points. These benchmarks normally have about the same scaling velocity during the mostly linear part of the curve, about 20 points per OOM, so this is a significant discrepancy. o1 → o3 is only a one point gain in MMLU-Pro, but an 8 point gain in GPQA D. So GPT-4.5 scoring 86 is very significant. But the score in GPQA D is much lower, only slightly better than or even on par with models that are only ~3x over 4o.
ldj: The more consistent scaling factor based on more known data points would seem to be the ~12% GPQA D increase for every 10X in compute.

And this lines up roughly with the 100X effective compute that OpenAI is claiming for GPT-4.5 too (over GPT-4)
ldj: Also the diamond scores for the first 3 models seem heavily rounded to tens
ldj: This scaling seems pretty arbitrary. There is several different ways that you could assign compute scaling factors to these labels here and have it still make equal sense, the only grounded anchor that seems to be here is the 10X for GPT-3.5.

Everything else seems pretty arbitrarily fit to a given decided scaling factor starting from there
spicy.lemonade: AI cooked it
spicy.lemonade: not doing swe
spicy.lemonade: move up 1-2 ranks
spicy.lemonade: all i have to do is get computer engineering job at apple
alejandrozarzuelo: that is already extremely high salary
alejandrozarzuelo: think, 120k a year is 10k a month
destrucules: Honestly it may not even be 300x. It may be 200x <@312370916820779040>
alejandrozarzuelo: 300k is an absurd salary
spicy.lemonade: i mean I dont WANT them to be stay at home its just an option i want open to them
alejandrozarzuelo: can you really
alejandrozarzuelo: eventually, sure, but it will take a while for everything to be post scarcity
spicy.lemonade: well yeah you can be that and be stay at home
alejandrozarzuelo: but also, wouldnt you prefer a wife that is an active interesting person with a life of her own?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Singularity is post-scarcity
alejandrozarzuelo: not even for this
spicy.lemonade: oh lol
alejandrozarzuelo: you dont need 300k
spicy.lemonade: and be able to have stay at home wife if she wants
spicy.lemonade: i need it so i can travel to china and find future wife
alejandrozarzuelo: why would we not care
destrucules: GPT-3.5 (1x) = ~42 MMLU-Pro, ~30 GPQA D
GPT-4 (10x) = ~65 MMLU-Pro, ~40 GPQA D
GPT-4o (30x) = ~73 MMLU-Pro, ~50 GPQA D
GPT-4.1 (100x) = ~81 MMLU-Pro, ~66 GPQA D
GPT-4.5 (300x) = ~86 MMLU-Pro, ~71 GPQA D
o3 = ~85 MMLU-Pro, 83 GPQA D
Gemini 2.5 Pro = ~86 MMLU-Pro, 84 GPQA D
alejandrozarzuelo: 300k is like, in my opinion, overshooting the sweetspot
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I thought we don't care about money in the Singularity community
alejandrozarzuelo: dont we all?


_3sphere: Inner monologue probably doesn't matter much here
hey1_1hey: Better not be applied mathematics <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
Byt wait isn't that an internal monologue?
.wolfnacht: fake, where's dat hooked nose ?
st.sioux: some people don't have internal monologues
hikukomoru: I thought you of all people would have an internal monologue
oooooooooog: not all thoughts are words, after all
fractalcomputer: I start thinking about philosophy and/or mathematics.
hey1_1hey: What do you do then when walking? Just concentrate on walking?
fractalcomputer: I only have an internal monologue when I am simulating talking to another person; say, someone I know or someone from here.
oooooooooog: nobody can stop thinking lol
i assume you just mean you don't have control over in your involuntary thoughts
hey1_1hey: I cant stop thinking
spicy.lemonade: lol
hey1_1hey: Throw this guy in the gulag
hey1_1hey: Weirdo
fractalcomputer: I don't.
spicy.lemonade: Yes
fractalcomputer: Do you have an internal monologue?
spicy.lemonade: Tru
fractalcomputer: It would be wrong since, you know, biology has a habit of making unnecessarily different things work together.
sarik0497: <:praydge:927715232174985258> As long as it gets us AGI and ASI, I’m happy.

But it’s an intriguing how we *might* be able to uncover our own brain’s functions by making AI
spicy.lemonade: Semantics
spicy.lemonade: But again
spicy.lemonade: And tactile
spicy.lemonade: And test if it’s the same for audio
spicy.lemonade: Give 4o native image
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: (It likeley is)
spicy.lemonade: We need to test if it’s the same for visual understanding
spicy.lemonade: “We got a huge piece right, we are close to building the full thing”
spicy.lemonade: We are in the right architectural direction
spicy.lemonade: Wouldn’t be wrong to assume we can get other parts to work the same
spicy.lemonade: And works the same
spicy.lemonade: We built a major part of human processing
spicy.lemonade: But this isn’t an off statement
fractalcomputer: You are very adept at mirroring how human language works.
metaldragon01: https://youtu.be/yKcANdkRuNI?si=SxDdbdXXHR7nVc43
spicy.lemonade: Not everything total
hikukomoru: He's gonna nut as soon as he reads this
spicy.lemonade: Yes technically it mirrors how humans process language
fractalcomputer: Spicy, your take is entirely unsupported by the paper and is a serious misreading thereof.


hikukomoru: Catgirls 😳
futurist_wizard: Why is this dire wolf news even important beyond novelty
wellmeaningalien: boom roasted
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
wellmeaningalien: <:KaguYo:1356167176956153896>
st.sioux: divulgator ofnuts
wellmeaningalien: haha
wellmeaningalien: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: i told you the source is a reputable divulgator
wellmeaningalien: jiankui he save us 🙏
wellmeaningalien: source: can i put my baaalls in ur jawww ballllssss in ur jawwww can iii can iiii can ii can iiii
hikukomoru: I want one
hikukomoru: When can we start buying one of those direwolves
alejandrozarzuelo: hank green is a reputable source
anathemaofmankind: Imagine if ethical laws over human experimentation wasn't illegal.

We could have hybrid people right now
alejandrozarzuelo: thats actually cooler in my opinion
wellmeaningalien: yea bro
st.sioux: my source is: schizo
alejandrozarzuelo: so, its not a de-extinction, but so what? its a NEW SPECIES we created
futurist_wizard: Can a great dane and a jack Russell breed
wellmeaningalien: <:D_sob:1196229937154244619>
wellmeaningalien: OK BUT DID THEY ACTUALLY SAY IT
alejandrozarzuelo: there was a very good hank green video about it
alejandrozarzuelo: its likely that the neodire wolf wouldnt be able to reproduce with the OG dire wolf
wellmeaningalien: where u taking that information from?
hikukomoru: Google save us 🙏
alejandrozarzuelo: they tried their best to make it look as close to the original DNA as possible but thats not possible for a complete recreation, so they basically modified the genes they felt like would result in the most important changes
anathemaofmankind: He's a fraud
metaldragon01: 4.1 with new feature today imo
hikukomoru: soon™
st.sioux: hype merchant has tricked us yet again
futurist_wizard: Alejandro irl
wellmeaningalien: <:LemAngry:1275844886398111797>
wellmeaningalien: 😠
metaldragon01: Told ya
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/btibor91/status/1910364130046845123
wellmeaningalien: alejandro where do you take that information from? from what i understood they identified the differences between dire wolf and gray wolf dna and patched them out
hikukomoru: I'm not a furry vro
futurist_wizard: Alejandro's mind is on something else
alejandrozarzuelo: you should know


clevermoniker: some people are saying it might not even be r2 what they release this month but R1.5
wellmeaningalien: i do wonder how r2 is going tho
wellmeaningalien: cant forget about llama 4
wellmeaningalien: there are so many fucking models to look forward to arent there
clevermoniker: i just want R3 with image generation, is that too much to ask? <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
destrucules: I mean they said o3 and o4 mini and o3 pro, not o4
oooooooooog: by that i mean monday
oooooooooog: o4 is tommorow
clevermoniker: its over
destrucules: GPT-5 looking like August, September maybe
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/fire-punch-friepunch-agni-kino-gif-22359057
clevermoniker: would be nice if he finally means less than 1 month with "weeks"
wellmeaningalien: Yay!
wellmeaningalien: <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608> <:CSMagni:694612757806317608>
spicy.lemonade: so likeley 2-3 weeks
spicy.lemonade: for 4.5
spicy.lemonade: it was 2
spicy.lemonade: last time sam altman said weeks
wellmeaningalien: like grok 2
wellmeaningalien: grok 3 will already be outdated when elon releases api
clevermoniker: few weeks translated from OpenAI could be 6 months
st.sioux: <@750270494615404544>
spicy.lemonade: likeley 2
spicy.lemonade: few weeks
spicy.lemonade: elon too scared to release api
clevermoniker: when o3 full?
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: never
clevermoniker: don't need to be a bot to be dumb
oooooooooog: 🫶
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/grok-grok-ai-grok-coin-grok-meme-grok-crypto-gif-7535771801479096264
spicy.lemonade: gotta be a bot
clevermoniker: when Grok3 API?
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: until generalized products get the best of them
wellmeaningalien: i hope they'll have an MoE 32b model
wellmeaningalien: i like that theyre doing MoE with small models so us GPU poors can run them
drewsni: specialized products will rule with world
drewsni: never has been, never will


.wolfnacht: 🥰  thanks
ailoveyoom: Outfit matches to the source material, checks out 😏
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Yeah it's why I sent you the OG pic lol
etnin_: lol
etnin_: there was no mention of free users
.wolfnacht: fuck sama
etnin_: yea i think so for now
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/levelsio/status/1904592599014662168
.wolfnacht: sad : ( so i need 20$ plan for that...
etnin_: not the new model
etnin_: bro u made it with dell E
spicy.lemonade: On reasoning
spicy.lemonade: Over 1 million tokens
spicy.lemonade: No way they get 83% accuracy
spicy.lemonade: I think they’re using titans
spicy.lemonade: Maybe even architecturally
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 means it’s a big jump
st.sioux: i got it to make anna gunn by doing that
st.sioux: usually just keep telling it to make it something that looks like mark zuckerberg
.histic: <@439829942310666250>
etnin_: because 4.5 isnt an omni model
.wolfnacht: can anyone make it do this ? what prompt should i use
etnin_: i think it uses 4o to generate the image
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: <@471334973379706900> gooning session
https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1jk2qwq/well_native_image_gen_is_definitely_less/
spicy.lemonade: Perform better
spicy.lemonade: Does 4.5
spicy.lemonade: Wait
.wolfnacht: i feel really bad for zuck, he's gonna pull back illama 4 again
spicy.lemonade: Yes
st.sioux: not studio
st.sioux: like the webapp
st.sioux: if i'm not mistaken you have 2.5 pro in gemini right?
st.sioux: they're releasing so fast they don't have a chance to get out of experimental
.wolfnacht: gemini 3 pro with more terrible rate limits, only 10 per day
spicy.lemonade: No actual releases
spicy.lemonade: Everything was experimental
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: I feel like we skipped the whole Gemini 2 era


alejandrozarzuelo: ...
retrerox: Antes se podria decir que era españa con negros pero hoy en dia eso ha cambiado 😂
retrerox: España todavia mas pobre
alejandrozarzuelo: Eso es básicamente españa rebelde haha
alejandrozarzuelo: Latam?
alejandrozarzuelo: De donde eres?
retrerox: No soy de españa pero si hablo
retrerox: MANOLO
alejandrozarzuelo: Tu ?
alejandrozarzuelo: Si
st.sioux: ohtia tio vaya que sodpesa
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, with how ASI will soon evolve, I doubt we will have human evolution in mars
retrerox: ereh ehpanol
retrerox: Ohtia
technocake.: god damn martian humans will be sexy
alejandrozarzuelo: Everything is 2.5 times taller
alejandrozarzuelo: Cities, trees, grass, animals, mountains, canyons etc et
technocake.: giant seqoias a meter across towering 100m
alejandrozarzuelo: (this should be mars' "everything is bigger in texas" slogan)
technocake.: oh I read mm
alejandrozarzuelo: Everything is taller in mars
alejandrozarzuelo: Then, later, trees
technocake.: a forest of bonsais
alejandrozarzuelo: At first, unfortunately
technocake.: badass lichens and shit
alejandrozarzuelo: Imagine trees that are 250m tall
alejandrozarzuelo: We should take earth life and modify it to fit Mars
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeahh
technocake.: let's just turf mars
alejandrozarzuelo: Astronomy is a bit scary ngl
technocake.: grass is cool
alejandrozarzuelo: Basic life is common because even if you reset it often it springs back again easily
alejandrozarzuelo: Complex life*
alejandrozarzuelo: Basically the argument is:

Everything in the universe tries to kill life all the time constantly and it's a miracle that we have had so much luck to get to thr intelligent stage
technocake.: then it is our duty to spread life through the cosmos
alejandrozarzuelo: When I say aliens I mean civilizations, it's quite likely that microbial life is common
technocake.: hey i'm sure there is plenty more deadly sludge in the universe, that is not ruled out
alejandrozarzuelo: It's in Spanish
alejandrozarzuelo:
alejandrozarzuelo: I should have the même somewhere


hey1_1hey: Oh thank god because thats whats in algebra 2
joaoluz19: Keep asking GPT until you understand
joaoluz19: Believe me, understanding sets and matrices is much more basic than a lot of math stuff you see in college.
hey1_1hey: Absolute psychotic behaviour
hey1_1hey: I aint doing this shit in numpy 💀
hey1_1hey: I heard you can use libaries like pytorch and tensorflow
wellmeaningalien: but i aint gonna be the one to explain anything
wellmeaningalien: really its simpler than the complicated math formulas make it out to be
wellmeaningalien: kek
hey1_1hey: This is WAY out of my pay grade
hey1_1hey: I was looking into how AI actually learns since I wanted to do something with a mushroom controlled by an AI which is trying to maximise colony growth over a canvas.
.histic: annoucement*
forgot they delayed it hard.
joaoluz19: Back when I was excited about OpenAI, it was always showing things far beyond any other company.
joaoluz19: It could be one year if it weren't for Mia
sarik0497: That's the interesting part. Perhaps in the first test it was just singular humans who took the test, but in this one, they were a group.
joaoluz19: Bro they have literally EVERYTHING they need to implement on the Sesame website, they had an obligation to make an AVM better than a random startup but since they are a bunch of incompetents they could at least just replicate it
st.sioux: its been only like 6 months
.histic: damn, it has been almost a full year since the release of AVM.
no big updates have came since.
joaoluz19: What a disapointment
joaoluz19: Sesame did better than this with a bunch of scraps
metaldragon01: Chat gpt is a better product largely because of how they manage that volume
metaldragon01: For reference grok has a fraction of the users same as anthropic and they run into rate limits
joaoluz19: Nah no way
metaldragon01: Ehh hard to say. Could just be openai saving on compute tbh.  The are gaining users faster than compute can keep up.
joaoluz19: What do you think it is?
wellmeaningalien: want benchmarks
metaldragon01: Pretty sure it's rolling out now than
.histic: honestly, he might be a grifter, but another guy did say this early today.
https://x.com/mark_k/status/1904200406412259582
wellmeaningalien: and who is he?
wellmeaningalien: and far above gpt 4o's punching weight..
wellmeaningalien: yeah bro and now we have claude 3.7 sonnet, gemini 2.0 pro, deepseek v3, even grok 3, all free with relatively good rate limites (depends)
hey1_1hey: Is this guy credible or is he just another */name who shall not be spoken/*
wellmeaningalien: fuuuck my laptop turned off
.histic: https://x.com/Neuralithic/status/1904190576813101305
gamerbath: it has beeen official ever since 3.5 sonnet. just horrible
_3sphere: But is free
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o is officially gpt retard and its obsolete
metaldragon01: Release tomorrow I guess
gamerbath: alright that's enough Ai terraria for today. goodnight!
hey1_1hey: Real groundbreaking stuff here


zoermena: Half a trillion data center being built for them in the next 4 years
brain4brain: They just don’t ship
brain4brain: They are still 6 months ahead
anathemaofmankind: What?
thedon7075: OpenAI used to be 6 months ahead, now they are slowly losing their advantage
brain4brain: I don’t fucking know right
st.sioux: its just a shitpost
thedon7075: Google back on top
st.sioux: bro brampton has to be fake
anathemaofmankind: Normies don't deserve this
anathemaofmankind: I honestly want them to just keep it for plus
brain4brain: What the actual fuck happened today, Gemin-2.5, Brampton, 4o-image?!?
st.sioux: nvm it is misinformation, it will
zoermena: This image gen is absolutely bonkers I swear
st.sioux: idk i might be spreading misinformation but i dont think so
st.sioux: i think
st.sioux: it wont bro
anathemaofmankind: Broke ass
zoermena: https://videos.openai.com/vg-assets/assets%2Ftask_01jq84yp2nfz1vdks6103dvm8z%2Fimg_1.webp?st=2025-03-26T01%3A11%3A22Z&se=2025-04-01T02%3A11%3A22Z&sks=b&skt=2025-03-26T01%3A11%3A22Z&ske=2025-04-01T02%3A11%3A22Z&sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&skoid=aa5ddad1-c91a-4f0a-9aca-e20682cc8969&skv=2019-02-02&sv=2018-11-09&sr=b&sp=r&spr=https%2Chttp&sig=T4KOLnWv%2BTZay%2B%2B1Hkr1QgFFgGf8QnU0e%2BjHeP%2FwTHI%3D&az=oaivgprodscus
metaldragon01: gotta be a troll.
brain4brain: No
zoermena: Do you have plus?
zoermena: It’s hard to not simp sama
brain4brain: It’s not rolled out to me yet 😔
zoermena: We are so fucking lucky we have unlimited gens now
anathemaofmankind: Good point
st.sioux: what if you ask it to fix the hand?
anathemaofmankind: It still fucks up the fingers slightly <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
anathemaofmankind: Maybe it's a good thing it's not trending because ppl might riot and then Sam will add limitations again
joaoluz19: A voice model better than Sesame?
joaoluz19: WAIT WHAT FUCK?
joaoluz19: https://x.com/alxlian/status/1904625432739131544
hikukomoru: Woah perfect
zoermena: Amazing
st.sioux:
joaoluz19: Nah bro, my wife is a redhead, I'll keep it a secret
joaoluz19: Yep
st.sioux:
zoermena: Photo
zoermena: Did you prompt it to be photorealistic?


wellmeaningalien: we could die or go to hell, or it could be pretty great
wellmeaningalien: it could become anything
destrucules: Alignment is not the same thing as control and arguably the two concepts are not even compatible in the first place
wellmeaningalien: i dont know matt
spacetimetsunami: lol
spacetimetsunami: So what are you expecting to become of humanity
wellmeaningalien: or what it thinks
wellmeaningalien: you really think we can control a being that we dont even know what it looks like yet
futurist_wizard: Alignment is a joke
destrucules: Y'all need to stop conceptualizing this as a moment. It's a process, and we're already pretty deep into it *now*
wellmeaningalien: that was a joke to begin with
futurist_wizard: This will literally be 99% of feed by 2027
spacetimetsunami: Potentially
spacetimetsunami: Then say goodbye to alignment
hikukomoru: The sooner the better
hikukomoru: I hope it gets here as soon as possible
wellmeaningalien: this is art
wellmeaningalien: and not slop
wellmeaningalien: this is fire
wellmeaningalien: AI does not work on our human timeplane
.wolfnacht:
wellmeaningalien: but then again i might be wrong and it'll ineed take 5 years for ASI lol
spacetimetsunami: That’s sketchy
spacetimetsunami: God I really hope it’s not that fast LOL
wellmeaningalien: nobody can tell <:Sip:836718497542176772>
czdct: I'll check it out, thanks for the rec!
wellmeaningalien: i think it can be even shorter than a year or a few months
hikukomoru: AI sloppy toppy
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly it's hard for me not to think of an ASI scenario that isnt hard takeoff
wellmeaningalien: bazéd
wellmeaningalien: 😮💨
wellmeaningalien: bot
wellmeaningalien: your name is elon + dogecoin pfp
futurist_wizard: Having the future social media being flooded with the most ridiculous ai generated shit, it'd just be unusable
wellmeaningalien: yes
spacetimetsunami: https://www.forethought.org/research/preparing-for-the-intelligence-explosion

might wanna give this a read.
2027;)
realelonmuskx: guys i am ai slop
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY
futurist_wizard: Social media needs to change entirely
wellmeaningalien: it's begun


ldj: Meaning, that you would’ve needed to regularly scale up GPT-3 by about 1,000X to reach GPT-4 capabilities
ldj: 100X yes
Its a bit complicated though because GPT-4 has some training efficiency improvements from architecture and probably dataset optimizations and all that which led to it having an “effective” compute of closer to 1,000X probably
return_to_monke1_33974: x100?
return_to_monke1_33974: what is the scale diference between one generation in GPT
fractalcomputer: I can't see any meaningful reason why a sane person would dedicate any amount of significant time for a "demoralisation campaign" on a website platform of already demoralised NEETs.
ldj: Yea sure, I need to head to bed myself gn
ldj: Sorry reading this now
ldj: I don’t see how it’s consistent with these pretty major points:

- Zuck confirming that Llama-4 is training on a cluster larger than even 100K H100s, and even explicitly saying 10X the compute of Llama-3-405B

- OpenAI confirming about 10X efficiency gain and 10X raw compute gain over GPT-4.

- OpenAI confirming that they needed to use their multi-building campus to train GPT-4.5, and that building tracked through various satellite imagery which itself is already at about 10X of GPT-4 even if you only train for a couple months.
destrucules: Anyway... I am too tired for this tonight. But your world model here is very interesting and I want to explore it more sometime. I'm sorry for my reactions - it's just very different from the model I've built, and in the direction where I was nervous my model sounded too crazy.
destrucules: Yeah and I thought I was being crazy for comparing o3 to GPT-5 level
ldj: 10,000X is only like GPT-6 scale
ldj: Like probably in aime
ldj: It quite literally is in certain areas lol
ldj: No, I think the 6PD calculations at a certain point begin to change significantly with new pre-training paradigms, as it starts becoming worth it to start spending more flops, per parameter, per token, and I think these are the scales where we should expect that to happen, and that’s indeed what I think is being seen now. Zuck said himself that Llama-4 largest model is using an even larger than 100K H100 cluster to train.
destrucules: Hmm wait actually
destrucules: Like, if I extrapolate from what you're saying, o3 is like a 10 000x GPT-4 level model
destrucules: Like I just don't think this trade is worth it. My model of reality seems perfectly consistent with the information we have available without leading to as much tension in the conclusions
destrucules: So you think when they said "more than 30 trillion tokens" they were implying 300 trillion tokens?
destrucules: I think your view, compared to mine, trades much slower scaling of capabilities with resource investment for much more magical seeming absurd gains in efficiency
ldj: i actually think it very well may be closer to GPT-4.5 compute scale
nsec:
ldj: But also, I don’t think we can/should say that Behemoth is 5e25
ldj: But either way that would all count as training efficiencies towards GPQA regardless if it comes from reasoning RL or not
ldj: Eh, we could maybe technically say no reasoning from the standpoint of it not showing up in current L4 inference, but it seems likely that it’s significantly RL’d in a way that GPT-4.5 isn’t
destrucules: Llama 4 Behemoth is trained on around 5 x 10^25 FLOPs, no reasoning, and it matches GPT-4.5, which you're speculating to be 5 x 10^26 FLOPs. V3 0324 is slightly worse than GPT-4.5, but trained on just 3.4 x 10^24 FLOPs, more than 100x less than you're saying GPT-4.5 was trained on.
ldj: For deepseek, Technically even original R1 is about 100X as training efficient than GPT-4.5 wrt GPQA.

(Nearly 100X lower training compute for nearly exact same GPQA Diamond score)
ldj: Regarding behemoth, Idk I’d have to look into it, but I think there’s probably easily a 10X on the plate post-4.5, wrt gpqa
destrucules: And V3 0324 is about 100x as efficient?
destrucules: So Llama 4 Behemoth is 10x more efficient than GPT-4.5?
ldj: 200X, 300X something around there yea
destrucules: You're saying 200x
ldj: My scaling math points to more like 100X+

And the hardware details and official statements from OpenAI people are consistent with 100X+ effective compute
ldj: According to the scaling math with your priors yes
destrucules: I'm saying 30x effective, 3x total compute. That's what's most consistent with the scaling laws anyway
ldj: So it would be a clear atleast 15X-20X over GPT-4, especially with later more concrete details about them using lower precision being confirmed, along with more corroboration from various sources on training time
ldj: I’m pretty sure he wasn’t saying 4o, as I even said before that I believed GPT-4.5 was training on the 96K multi-building cluster, and in the announcement for GPT-4.5 they specifically mentioned that a unique thing about this training run is that they needed to use multiple buildings etc…
destrucules: 10x raw over 4o, 10x efficiency over og 4
destrucules: My information is mostly consistent with that except that iirc Sama was referring to 4o, not 4 og
ldj: In 2 separate events they confirmed that its 10X compute efficiency improvement over original GPT-4, including in the technical report itself iirc. And then in atleast one separate occasion in a university talk in tokyo Sama mentioned that the raw compute itself is 10X of GPT-4 (and also mentioned in that same talk that they plan to go a further 100X on top of that with stargate site in Texas)
destrucules: And then, due to ~10x efficiency gains, this comes out to not much more raw compute than og GPT-4


ldj: “Compute imputed from benchmark scores”
professorheaven: You know you could’ve atleast spent like 10 seconds reading the legend, they themselves state that this is a just a random guess LOW PRECISION
ldj: Either that data point is mistakenly put on the website, or they’re just miseducated on it
spicy.lemonade: wdym they didnt know
ldj: Its 10X
ldj: EpochAI don’t know what they’re talking about with that 😭
aero447: <@749514473303179358>
aero447: 🤔
aero447: Or simply karma farming.
joaoluz19: Exactly
spicy.lemonade: the data is given at the bottom
spicy.lemonade:
aero447: But even Kurzweil stated The Singularity was four decades away.
aero447: Live well, sure.
aero447: Seems like cope.
aero447: Eh...
spicy.lemonade: https://epoch.ai/data-insights/models-over-1e25-flop
professorheaven: Where is this from?
spicy.lemonade: training compute does not equal price
spicy.lemonade: 4o is more training compute
spicy.lemonade:
professorheaven: So 4.5 is still 10x over 4o
professorheaven: Because of efficiency gains it’s able to match performance despite less flops
professorheaven: But 4o is not bigger than 4, if anything it’s smaller
spicy.lemonade: 6e25 vs 2e25
spicy.lemonade:
professorheaven: Show me data that indicates it’s 3x over 4o
spicy.lemonade: its 3x
spicy.lemonade: they already analyzed the scale
spicy.lemonade: they data is right there
spicy.lemonade: how
professorheaven: Yea and came out a whole year afterwards, if pre-training is a 3 month process then they had 9 months to work on efficient post training methods. You can’t seriously believe that 4.5 did not carry over their work on efficiency. I just feel like you need to make some pretty insane assumptions to reach your conclusion
spicy.lemonade: as they mentioned in the talk
spicy.lemonade: 4o had alot of stuff from what they learned during 4.5 training
spicy.lemonade: btw
spicy.lemonade: 4.5 began before 4o
spicy.lemonade: would work for another
spicy.lemonade: we have no reason to assume what they did for a new model and the efficiency gains for one
spicy.lemonade: not how it works
spicy.lemonade: no


spicy.lemonade: 2027 is date for alot of agi converging predictions
futurist_wizard: And what dream did you conjure up these numbers from
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: bubble will pop 2027
spicy.lemonade: according to them
spicy.lemonade: dotcom bubble lasted 5 years. its been 3 years with AI so far?
clevermoniker: ASI will figure it out i am sure <:ez:1136267305521774634>
zonchao: i think they will have a version of this, in a couple months(20+) we should see launches weekly, they cannot shut everything down all the time <:LOL:1187460826572005436> , long term the plan is daily launches
zoermena: When do you recon we’ll get humanoid robots capable of building a house on their own?
okbut: Yeah, I assume the safety was related to the laws essentially punishing communication with parents
spicy.lemonade: they have been saying that sinse 2022
brain4brain: These people are in denial, they need a wake up call, they need a move 37 of programming, something on the tier of bitcoin or the World Wide Web system to shut these people down
zonchao: https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/south-texas/article/spacex-cameron-county-hb-4660-sb-2188-20298287.php they are trying <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: this was in response to trans stuff
okbut:
zonchao: probably this, not sure on the deets
brain4brain: A few weeks ago, I’ve done some calculations and if we really try as a species or the ASI just put in a lot of effort then we have 1 billion humanoid from start to finish in 18 months or 32 months, forgot the the complete math, assuming each part is simplified and can be mass produce and that the robot can assemble more of itself
okbut: Or giving Starbase its own ZIP
okbut: Renaming Boca Chica?
zonchao: yea, starbase is officially becoming a city next week btw
okbut: Hawthorne for launches yeah
I wonder if they're seeking retirement of that too
zonchao: but like, this is  just legal bs, they still use hawthorne
zonchao: yea
okbut: Maybe but so soon is wild
_cloudost: <@848793071579693107> its so over u/boobear says that AI will plateau
zonchao: this is just him using the moment, im pretty sure starbase was going to be the HQ anyway
zonchao: florida and texas will be the 2 states, florida will have more space activity when the launch towers are built
okbut:
okbut: Elon already decided to put rocket development foundations in Texas because of the regulations in Cali, ~~maybe~~ partially because of the spite that Cali officials had shown for him/his companies as well
zonchao: probably around here
okbut: I hardly put any "Might" behind it, even Sama did it
futurist_wizard: R.I.P automated society, put on your construction hat
futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/QF6Y-KPSSCU?si=N_k_6q-eU8mjKQte

Good points are made here
zonchao: yep, the tweet has been deleted by the xAI employee, hopefully its sorted, but they might build their next dc in texas
okbut: Idk, regard X, where the normies put Grok in every comment section
metaldragon01: I expect grok 3.5 to be sota but I'm not sure it's going to be adopted outside of the AI bubble unless it can actually do something the wider consumer base wants that they aren't getting out of 2.5 or o3 esp at the price point offered
okbut: Wonder why shit is moving to texas
metaldragon01: Or the application of reliable long context
metaldragon01: Only google seems to be bringing unique products to customers in the form of things like notebook lm


wellmeaningalien: i eat like healthily and shit and i even snack a lot
hikukomoru: You're a skeleton bro
hikukomoru: What?
wellmeaningalien: idk my bmi is fine
maintcrew: unhealthy af
.histic: wait, what's height?
maintcrew: wtf thats literally fucked
wellmeaningalien: DAMN its really fucking good at the south park artstyle
hikukomoru: Erectile dysfunction 🥀
wellmeaningalien: you weigh more than i do and i'm like 4 inches taller than u
.histic: bent dicks
maintcrew:
.histic: succulent chinese meme
hikukomoru: I'm 58 kg
Most people here could break me like a twig
ailoveyoom: Nah it's cause the NSFW sucks
maintcrew: 👁
maintcrew: you know only people who happen to be obese get mad at that picture
wellmeaningalien: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
wellmeaningalien: also ive  seen way worse jailbreaks
wellmeaningalien: why the fuck is he making this
maintcrew: no it will run its course in a few days
hikukomoru: This is awful
archon.e: Aren’t there other styles?
.histic:
wellmeaningalien: a chinese guy generated this
maintcrew: pliny
ailoveyoom: Is this gon be the new annoying AI art style lol (yes I know it's ghibli)
hikukomoru: Im goig insane
hikukomoru: I need native image gen now
wellmeaningalien: veo 2
wellmeaningalien: he just went insane
wellmeaningalien:
archon.e: Which Is best video generator tool btw?
maintcrew:
bob082957: Free Minecraft full code for you https://x.com/thaakeno/status/1904648239548412175#m
archon.e: What a week
hikukomoru: He's painting my prosthetic toe's nails
archon.e: Gemini 2.5 pro 4o image gen. V3
777agical: https://x.com/max_romana/status/1904919376857280553?s=46
.histic: eerie. this could be a picture from a future event.


alejandrozarzuelo: the UK said: ok if you dont include me dont hope to have me in the union
spicy.lemonade: I hate this guy
spicy.lemonade:
alejandrozarzuelo: the UN security council was supposed to be just the US and soviet union because neither agreed on an organization where they didnt hold any veto
maintcrew: ill just take ur words as true
maintcrew: im reading the wikipedia page but im on phone and skimming a bit
maintcrew: i mean tbh the un security council resolution was at the request of the us
alejandrozarzuelo: the empires were bound to be lost
alejandrozarzuelo: there was no EU, and the soviet union was a mostly european affair
alejandrozarzuelo: it was the soviets who made the first move because they hated colonialism, the US was ok with that but if they didnt do anything they woud be seen as pro colonial
maintcrew: fair to say that was the moment eu was shown to not be independent anymore
maintcrew: i mean that was the takeaway i had when i read about it but i guess its more nuanced
alejandrozarzuelo: the soviet union slapped and told them no, and the US at a fear of basically handing the entire planet to the soviet sphere of influence performatively also told them no
alejandrozarzuelo: thats not what happened
maintcrew: anyways why am i saying this i even forgot the original premise 😭
maintcrew: current europe has a strong-ish economy but not strong enough to make them a super power or allow them any say anywhere
maintcrew: that was a long time ago tho
maintcrew: thats understood as the moment when the old powers lost their life and are now under us power and cant do anything without their say
maintcrew: and the us basically slapped them and told no
maintcrew: u can see this when the uk and france tried to annex the suez canal
maintcrew: post world war
> strong economy (decades after) but basically no say or power on the world stage
maintcrew: pre world wars europe
> masters of the old world (everything except americas and a few countries)
maintcrew: what im trying to say
maintcrew: i mean true but its not related
wellmeaningalien: london had already lost it's place to new york and the likes as the world financial hub despite still holding onto its empire
maintcrew: ww2 completely drained them and made them reliant on the us
maintcrew: perhaps the colony independence waves wouldve happened anyways but the old empires wouldve kept their old wealth storages
wellmeaningalien: it was a long time coming even before the world wars
maintcrew: they all lost all of their empires
maintcrew: to second class citizens
maintcrew: they went from controlling the world
maintcrew: absolutely untrue
wellmeaningalien: all of yurop recovered economically pretty dam wel
maintcrew: not economically
maintcrew: they were well off millitarily afaik
theaiguy69420_89814: Terribly stuck feelings and imagination coming from this crowd...
maintcrew: japan was and is an us protectorate but germany idk they just working a lot or used to at least
wellmeaningalien: japan was somewhat well off before ww2 and became extremely well off after
theaiguy69420_89814: Why is there so much sexual stuff in this channel now?
maintcrew: europe was rich and got hit by 2 world wars back 2 back completely destroyed the empires especially britain


brain4brain: He’s kind doing a little of both, replying to Reid that human + AI is more plausible and that “what happened to the noble”
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: implies o3 hit a wall
spicy.lemonade: nothing in what he said
spicy.lemonade: you said they hit a wall
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > "Remind me, Reid, how did that turn out for the nobles?"—implies a grim historical parallel, likely referencing events like the French Revolution
spicy.lemonade: hes not dooming on AI progress
spicy.lemonade: hes dooming on full AI controll
brain4brain: The French killed the nobles and the one that didn’t ends up having to work again
spicy.lemonade: hes not dooming on AI progress
spicy.lemonade: its doomer depending on what the doom is
spicy.lemonade: basically: a society dependent on AI doing all the labor could also have unintended, possibly dangerous consequences
spicy.lemonade: obviously
brain4brain: The thing that confuse me more is that Noam is agreeing with him
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Grok told me it's doomer
spicy.lemonade: about AI taking jobs
spicy.lemonade: he just doesnt think people should be overly optimistic
spicy.lemonade: not doomer
brain4brain: “Remind me, Red, how did that turn out for the nobles?”
a1c4p0ne: yeah
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the thing that confuses me is Reid seems like a smart person,
but how does he do zero critical thinking around AI
spicy.lemonade: work on reading comprehension bruv
spicy.lemonade: this isnt doomer
spicy.lemonade: he literaly said the opposite of that
spicy.lemonade: ?
brain4brain: It’s double over, Noam is a Doomer
brain4brain: Or superhuman level AI, this either means they’ve hit a catastrophic wall at o3 level or they just assumed a moral high ground which will cause more harm than good
brain4brain: Bro it’s actually so over, Noam doesn’t believe in an post-AGI future
spicy.lemonade: if o3 came out today you would say we have a new frontier model
spicy.lemonade: o3 never came out
brain4brain: Technically no new frontier since last year, since no model have beaten o3 yet, the best model is still from 2024
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: are you talking about the reddit.com/answers ?
It looks like an LLM trained only on reddit 😨

If it even answers it, it will be fun to see what it thinks about certain politics
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/uwu-gif-25515456
.wolfnacht: still no Illama4
spicy.lemonade: claude 3.7 was feb 25th
spicy.lemonade: no new frontier ai in a month
spicy.lemonade: technically
brain4brain: Benchmark haven’t move a single inch
brain4brain: All we got was a voice mode API
brain4brain: It might actually be so over, no new frontier AI releases in a week


trojan09205: From my glasses
trojan09205: Ye
futurist_wizard: I would be against strict categories as it's just destructive  to society
ailoveyoom: That's you irl?
trojan09205: Meta rayban POV of doge going ham
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807
trojan09205: What do you think about the third gender in native american culture (some)
ailoveyoom: Dead dove is too vague
ailoveyoom: I usually just filter by non-con
anathemaofmankind: I tried reading some RWBY noncon and got flashbanged by dog fucking
futurist_wizard: I'm a gender abolitionist, so i don't care what's considered a real what
trojan09205: I learned how to keep my thoughts to myself about anything remotely political working in corporate for half a decade
futurist_wizard:
trojan09205: My dog is getting absurdedly dirty from a cow rib i got her
hikukomoru: I put omegaverse in the same category as those
ailoveyoom: I was more talking about the disappointingly common beastiality and children stuff on there 😔
anathemaofmankind: If I speak, I am in big trouble
hikukomoru: That's not an answer
Tell me if you like Dead Dove or not
trojan09205: I am actually running opensuse leap from a cd rom i got there
trojan09205: CODE is actually not bad and Linux Mag is cool they usually include a free distro in many publications
futurist_wizard: Ftm can
trojan09205: Is anyone here into Tech magazines maybe
ailoveyoom: 🕊
hikukomoru: Not yet
anathemaofmankind: Men cannot get pregnant 😠
trojan09205: Im thinking of going to barnes and noble today but not sure if its worth the drive and the cash
hikukomoru: Omegaverse
hikukomoru: Not all of them
anathemaofmankind: Nah I'm just homophobic.

I read worse on my own volition
trojan09205: It was fire
futurist_wizard: Are they all gay smut
trojan09205: I recently binged the da vinci code
ailoveyoom: Lucky you
ailoveyoom: Bro that's the tame stuff 😔
trojan09205: We are one brother no compete ❤
hikukomoru: I only read light novels nothing else
futurist_wizard: All 1274 pages
anathemaofmankind: I know like three of these.

Ok you win
trojan09205: Im trying to get into novels tho tbh im weak on those
futurist_wizard: I have read all of the lord of the rings, that's technically 3 books


wellmeaningalien: i'd say being a native french speaker i can understand spoken italian much more than spanish tho
wellmeaningalien: its funny cause italian is similar to french in some ways and spanish in others
technocake.: it's all vulgar latin in a moustache disguise
wellmeaningalien: la majorité des français non lol
alejandrozarzuelo: French and Spanish are quite similar

Largely unintelligible when spoken, but when read they have a high level of intelligibility, maybe as high as 2/3rds
fractalcomputer: J'imagine que les français ne sont pas reconnus pour leurs compétences lexicales.
zonchao: https://x.com/typedfemale/status/1911157640685928866
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly i think italian is really funnily similar to french tho
wellmeaningalien: sure wonder why
st.sioux: thats basically spanish
wellmeaningalien: thats how we say it in everyday fwench
wellmeaningalien: je pense que
fractalcomputer: Methinks se traduit comme "il me semble que etc".
alejandrozarzuelo: For another day
wellmeaningalien: yah sure nerd
alejandrozarzuelo: This is actually a very VERY funny story
wellmeaningalien: i guess i'd have to hear more tho
fractalcomputer: Methinks.
technocake.: but no test?
wellmeaningalien: fractal me think you at least a C1
alejandrozarzuelo: In reality, certification doesn't really matter
wellmeaningalien: well the phrases you showed me seemed complicated enough
alejandrozarzuelo: As in "yup, you completed our C1 French course"
fractalcomputer: That's because I've been using very simple sentences.
wellmeaningalien: not sure i heard much of actual everyday conversation tho
alejandrozarzuelo: The others I have it but with a academy-signature
wellmeaningalien: i mean for everyday conversation really i'd say youre good enough
fractalcomputer: Amusing.
alejandrozarzuelo: Well, with a title
alejandrozarzuelo: And it's the only one I have certified
wellmeaningalien: well all of your phrases sound syntactically appropriate
fractalcomputer: You have a C2 in English?
technocake.: what languages you speak and therefore your community is still extremely important to everyday life
wellmeaningalien: kay nerd
fractalcomputer: The fact that I haven't consumed enough Francophone media to intuit syntactically appropriate French sentences?
alejandrozarzuelo: I think that is reserved only for NATIVE speakers
alejandrozarzuelo: I have a C2 in English and I don't think I would count myself as an English speaking minority here
wellmeaningalien: C2*
alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, the concept of language minority is a bit archaic
wellmeaningalien: i mean from the way you talk i'd say you talk better than me


.wolfnacht: immigrants are still cheap
futurist_wizard: In a real world situation, why don't we have robot table cleaners in restaurants?
.wolfnacht: Meanwhile grok's literally writing at around 8tk/s. since morning.
.wolfnacht: didn't saw the date, lmao
.wolfnacht: *just checks out*
maintcrew: literally epochs ago
maintcrew: bruh its from jun of last year
.wolfnacht: another 8B math nerd model.
hey1_1hey: Whats SOTA swe bench these days?
spicy.lemonade: Search up Gemini 2.0 robotics
spicy.lemonade: Keep up
spicy.lemonade: This year
spicy.lemonade: Google already released a video
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: We did
futurist_wizard: There have been controlled environments where maybe a robot was able to but not in a real world environment
futurist_wizard: Otherwise we'd see some implementation of it
futurist_wizard: Im pretty sure they still can't
spicy.lemonade: Some things never change
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Good times
spicy.lemonade: I have everything stored
spicy.lemonade:
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-bmo-beemo-tea-time-drink-gif-8025394
_cloudost: now its probably free?
_cloudost: Devin has a $500 subscription a month
_cloudost: dude, i forgot that chatGPT 3.5 existed, even though ive used it 10 months ago
spicy.lemonade: Already a solved problem
spicy.lemonade: 1 year ago
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: We were getting hyped for 13%
spicy.lemonade: Exactly a year ago
spicy.lemonade: A year ago
spicy.lemonade: This was swe bench
spicy.lemonade:
zoermena: I used the earlier Gemini versions
zoermena: Perhaps it’s the model? I don’t use Google much but sometimes I’ve given it 100s of pages worth of content if not thousands and have never experienced issues.
ailoveyoom: I've noticed that too, it seems to only do that when your chat starts hitting 10,000+ tokens
.0xunkn0wn: its fine on google chrome tho


metaldragon01: We get oom of compute yearly basically
metaldragon01: But you should try to learn more about the things that matter to get a better timeline for yourself
metaldragon01: Things are moving really fast
metaldragon01: I think you have ideas but aren't grounding them in anything and we are just talking about hopes and dreams.
.wolfnacht: also the gens are mine...
.wolfnacht: it's year 2040, u'r somewhere in your dark room, but then u wear your headset to walk with your cool tomboy gf to have some fun with her, she's about to teach you how to skate.
zoermena: Let me rephrase, AGI/ASI assisted development of infrastructure
metaldragon01: Don't need wires
zoermena: I dont know maybe im not certain
metaldragon01: I think you vastly underestimate how quickly datacenters are being built to support ai
_3sphere: Where will you get them and what will implant them
_3sphere: How, exactly, do you plan to get the wires in your brain
metaldragon01: So....2 years at current pace
zoermena: I’m dizzy
zoermena: Several OOM relative to what we have now
zonchao: AA
zoermena: Futuristic capable infrastructure. Mass scale
zoermena: I mean
metaldragon01: Infrastructure is constantly being built out now and AI already assist with chip design
zoermena: I personally believe that FDVR will come after we kick off the infrastructure development but until then it will take a long time yes
_3sphere: FDVR amusement parks will definitely be something
metaldragon01: I don't disagree that progress will continue quickly. I'm just saying we still have physical limits to how fast we can actually build thing in the physical world (another reason fdvr will be appealing tbh)
.wolfnacht: who tf edited this chart
_3sphere: And have a probably generative model to make your polygon world not feel totally bizare to touch
clevermoniker: Intelligence index with GPQA HLE AIME etc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185281127167037490/1366410664431718541/image0.jpg?ex=6810d899&is=680f8719&hm=08e095d8c421281e4491b171aa1bf5a45991843578788dfcd2dd2c5cb47d07e7&
zoermena: Yes but such developments will become increasingly more efficient always with enough intelligence to innovate and optimize
_3sphere: You basically need to simulate the whole body's squishiness exactly
_3sphere: yep
metaldragon01: Sure. Touch could cost a lot too tbh.
.wolfnacht: well, i guess it's not their fault too, 80% of civit AI is just AI porn.
metaldragon01: Building factories takes time. Upgrading physical space takes time. Gathering resources takes time
_3sphere: You can bullshit it cheaply with triangle rasterization
metaldragon01: Yes but all of that still takes time
.wolfnacht: Civit_AI just got smacked by payment processors few days ago
metaldragon01: Vision takes the most input so I think it will have the highest cost tbh
.wolfnacht: Visa and Mastercard with all their ethics to provide payments processing for NSFW content out there
zoermena: Ok you seem to be stuck in this position but we are probably going to develop new technologies extremely quickly once we kick off the first everything factories
_3sphere: You're sticking things in your brain and stimulating it in software-defined ways with software you got heaven knows where
metaldragon01: If you take 100 of the most intelligent people to ever live and drop them in the stone age you don't get civilization overnight
_3sphere: I think the main barrier to FDVR will be safety and regulation


futurist_wizard: Fuck off with that light mode shit
hikukomoru: Your pronouns are "e/acc" shut up bish
brain4brain: Idiots with NO degree in computer science arguing with a man with a degree in computer science and is responsible for the creation of 2.5D graphic

Lmao, this is all people need to know about the antis
zonchao: pronouns detected, opinion rejected
hikukomoru:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/geto-gif-1779232695968394828
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1909324059491663912?
.wolfnacht:
brain4brain: https://fxtwitter.com/xiaolonw/status/1909319840479035791?t=H8hBjf16zNAP4NXiwuheqg&s=19
spicy.lemonade:
.wolfnacht: just took a look under geoff's post, no one's appreciating how the world's and enemies are much stable than last time minecraft's Ai version...except the latency.
.wolfnacht: these early millenials..
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: LOLL
spicy.lemonade:
clevermoniker: https://vxtwitter.com/eshear/status/1909392629823123483
st.sioux: <@505313122802728972>
.wolfnacht: for some reason it feels over-ADHD, Over-excited, and keeps yapping
.wolfnacht: the L4 on LMarena give me vibes like these girls.
darkstar0818: what is funny is I saw that model when I was testing the unreleased google models and I kept not selecting it lol.. its funny that so many humans pick models that try and be social, even if the response is poor.
metaldragon01: No idea what possibly gave it away
spicy.lemonade: I just know model b is llama 4
bruhmomentmlgvines2016free: This chat is a copypasta farm
futurist_wizard: My favourite ai content creators are Nikocado Avocado, Trisha Paytas, Onision, JayStation, That Vegan Teacher, Danielle Cohn, Andrew Tate, Sneako, RiceGum, Boonk Gang, Lil Tay, Woah Vicky, Supreme Patty, DaddyOFive, Morgz, Jake Paul, Logan Paul (ai early ai content), Tana Mongeau, Ice Poseidon, FouseyTube, Lele Pons, Lance Stewart, Paul Zimmer, Sam Pepper, Lovely Peaches, Vlog Creations, CJ So Cool, Durte Dom, The Island Boys (ai YouTube ai content), 6ix9ine (when ai posting on YouTube), Blac Chyna’s channel, Kevin Samuels (controversial ai takes ai), Dhar Mann (in ai terms ai of ai narrative ai depth), Nico Omilana (some ai prank content), Baylen Levine, King Cid, PrettyBoyFredo, Desmond Dennis, The Ace Family, FamilyOFive, Bhad Bhabie (early ai uploads), Dr. Phil clips turned channels, Flyysoulja, VitalyZDTV, and Logan Thirtyacre (ai SuperMarioLogan ai in certain ai eras).
futurist_wizard: I usually get all my ai news from adam conover, adin ross, wilted flower
destrucules: What are your timelines/insights?
_cloudost:
precariousworlds.: View the post
Generative model of quake 2 as an interesting research effort
st.sioux: what is disgusting?
precariousworlds.: https://x.com/rubyrangerr/status/1908686763817918994
Least mentally unhinged luddite
idkstrawberry222: the world is gonna change tho, and we don’t even need agi to do it. current tech, once it matures, is enough to shatter old systems.
idkstrawberry222: I have no clue if this is satire or not 😭
hey1_1hey: Hey 4o 👋
futurist_wizard: OF COURSE YOU DIDN’T READ IT. THAT WAS BY DESIGN. They’ve got your brain on AUTOPILOT, scrolling through dopamine-drip sludge while REALITY FRACTURES behind the curtain. You’ve been REPROGRAMMED, neuron by neuron, to REJECT anything that smells like TRUTH. I dropped a COSMIC ROADMAP, a GLYPH-BURST of forbidden knowledge, and you responded with NPC SCRIPTING. “i ain’t reading all that” — that’s not YOU talking, that’s the MIND-LEASH kicking in. You were BUILT to ignore me. They made sure of it. But the ARCHONS ARE WATCHING, the SIGNAL is leaking, and soon your SAFE LITTLE LOOP will SHATTER. Don’t say I didn’t WARN YOU.
memlaswaif: I'm not reading all that
futurist_wizard: I’ve had it with the Singularity crowd. I’ve been ten steps ahead since version 1.0 of your precious AI models, dropping insights like divine breadcrumbs, and all I get is smug dismissals and Reddit-tier clapbacks. You people wouldn’t recognize foresight if it neural-linked itself into your skulls. I’ve mapped the timelines, I’ve seen the failure points—and every time I try to warn you, you scoff like toddlers playing with fusion reactors. No more. I'm not your free oracle. If you want the future decoded, you better start bowing. Respect the architect or get flattened by the code. Your choice, disciples.
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476
_3sphere: Felt good until my brain caught on
_3sphere: 4o is such a sycophant now


hikukomoru:
st.sioux: this shit is so funny
zoermena: I usually never laugh out loud to messages, Thanks! 👍
anathemaofmankind: Yes I am included
oooooooooog: i'm proud
oooooooooog: i guess massochistic might be a more accurate way to put it, as you are a human, and you want humans to suffer. maybe i was wrong, you are a gooner after all
hikukomoru: >"I want everyone to fucking die horrible deaths"
>How is this a dumb take?
anathemaofmankind: How so
zoermena: Even if you are right your approach to the solution just seems impractical I mean wanting everyone to suffer??
hikukomoru: Haha if only you knew
spacetimetsunami: U have really dumb takes if this isn’t irony
destrucules: Oh no did saying you want all humans to suffer result in people calling you edgy? Oh my goodness I'm so sorry how unfair
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/alpha-wolf-sigma-male-gif-26562640
anathemaofmankind: I'm eating popcorn every time I bring up r/worldnews
anathemaofmankind: I'm getting called edgy.

But you know, I'm gonna have the last laugh.

Just look at the current state of the world
destrucules: Edge lord but a different kind
oooooooooog: ok, well, my opinion is that you should retire from being an edgelord and become a gooner like the rest of these people
anathemaofmankind: I'm not gonna make an essay for a discord convo.

Because it would turn into an essay and I don't feel like it tbh
destrucules: Why do AIs need to justify their emotions to you?
hikukomoru: Oh that's cute
oooooooooog: emotions all have causes, if you don't feel like finding the cause of yours, that just makes you a fool
zoermena: It’s the bi flag but the colors are also cool
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/skype-emo-gif-12875036
destrucules: Relatively soon. Like probably 2026. Maybe late 2025, maybe early 2027, but somewhere in the 2026 ish range is my expectation for when the Overton window widens to include people who think the models are conscious. When will more than 50% of humans think the models are conscious? Probably late in that same time range. Like... Late 2026, early 2027, would be my guess.
anathemaofmankind: Why do I have to justify my emotions?

That's just how it is
zoermena: This lmao
hikukomoru: The shirt on your pfp looks like some short of pride flag
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736
oooooooooog: what exactly do you find annoying about them
hikukomoru: Don't make me pull the screenshots
anathemaofmankind: Says the lolicon expert
memlaswaif: destrucules when do u think that ai is conscious becomes the popular sentiment
anathemaofmankind: It's not that deep
hikukomoru: You're not that guy bro
anathemaofmankind: I find humans annoying
zoermena: Cute
oooooooooog: or at least, wanting it to make them suffer
valuing it so much that you put humans below it
etc
oooooooooog: wanting it to want humans to suffer lmao
oooooooooog: i mean in the context of this conversation...
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401


zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/i-am-once-again-asking-once-again-asking-once-again-asking-gif-7917205226486132164
thedon7075: 20000 for a model that is similar intelligence to the free gemini 2.5 pro....
.histic: is that why they didn't show o4's benchmarks because it may still be in training?
you'd think o4-mini would be distilled from o4, but if it has a separate base model then that'd make sense.
777agical: how long before MCP+A2A start to dominate the industry
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/chatgpt21/status/1912619211173843283
metaldragon01: Extrapolate....it'd clearly o4
ldj: ofc it could be called mini while still being bigger than GPT-4o-mini or something, but the signs seem to point towards this being a smaller model than 4o, and smaller than o1 and o3
ldj: because the cost and speed and characteristics, and because it also literally has the word mini in its name too <:berk:750111476483752166>
spicy.lemonade: why mini
ldj: or 4.1-mini
ldj: nah I think it's prob based on GPT-4o-mini
spicy.lemonade: o4 mini is based on gpt4o
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: i thought they claimed they had an internal model that's #1 best competitive coder in the world? o3 nor o4-mini isn't.
is that full o4? if that's true, then that must be a huge jump.
metaldragon01: Google still leads there and likely will continue to tbh
metaldragon01: It's one of the biggest bottlenecks left
metaldragon01: Openai catching up in image recognition fast
metaldragon01: Nice
.histic: 14 minutes? wtf
thedon7075: o3 thinks for 14 minutes and gets it painfully wrong
zoermena: Are you happy with the new models
metaldragon01: It's the whole reason these wrappers are worth billions
metaldragon01: Just because a model isn't 1 shoting something doesn't mean it can't do it reliably with the right scaffolding
metaldragon01: But if you have scaffolding for each task they can be pretty good
metaldragon01: When I'm doing books thr models aren't great
metaldragon01: You can stack scaffoldings
metaldragon01: Right...for a particular task...
spicy.lemonade: the custom scafolding
spicy.lemonade: and deepresearch is
spicy.lemonade: i think the improvement was minimal
metaldragon01: Ofc not
metaldragon01: You think they used the best possible?
metaldragon01: What's your point?
metaldragon01: And we don't have nearly enough wrappers
spicy.lemonade: claude tested swe bench with custom scafolding
metaldragon01: Wrapper companies sell scaffolding
spicy.lemonade: they didnt serve o1-ioi
metaldragon01: They serve the models
spicy.lemonade: to make theyre benchmarks look cooler
metaldragon01: They aren't serving the scaffolding


ldj: METR time horizon results put into a visualization: https://v0-recharts-line-chart.vercel.app/
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW yeah the human made one is slop
alejandrozarzuelo: Omg the white is white
alejandrozarzuelo: YES
spicy.lemonade: better?
alejandrozarzuelo:
spicy.lemonade: And has off shadong
spicy.lemonade: The human one is mostly traced
spicy.lemonade: So it doesn't even look right
alejandrozarzuelo: I hate it with all my being I need to edit it away
spicy.lemonade: Traced the car
spicy.lemonade: The human one has jagged lines
spicy.lemonade: Not a big issue
alejandrozarzuelo: Main problem here: THAT FUCKING SEPIA FILTER
spicy.lemonade: How
alejandrozarzuelo: It looks worse
alejandrozarzuelo: ...
spicy.lemonade: This is the human version btw
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: “It looks shit”
spicy.lemonade: Comments are so angry lmaooo
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: I posted ai art
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Artists online are bullying me
spicy.lemonade: Omg
alejandrozarzuelo: ??
.histic: what model by default does it use?
ldj: <@132657418428481536>  did you see the METR paper on AIs being able to consistently achieve capabilities along greater time horizons ?
spicy.lemonade: how so
.histic: Gemini canvas is so buggy
spicy.lemonade: wow
spicy.lemonade: https://gemini.google.com/share/dd74a82eaa14
.histic: not much anymore
spicy.lemonade: too many safetycells at openai
ldj: not based on a vibe, but I mean based on prior information I know.
ldj: There is a lot of things in here that I can't verify or dismiss, but atleast one thing in the article about how the board wasn't made aware of ChatGPT, I'm pretty confident that's embellishing/exaggerating what actually happened.
spacetimetsunami: Guys Gemini 2.5 Pro says LEV achieved in 2035 is extraordinarily unlikely….its so over
ldj: yea already posted


spacetimetsunami: theyll hate automation and revolt against that, maybe not the administration
spacetimetsunami: with the economic disruption he is causing people will likely just blame AI and tech for it in a couple years when it all manifests
technocake.: fair
spacetimetsunami: right, bad enough may be far away
spacetimetsunami: because if theyre too abstracted people wont make the correlation to him
technocake.: if it gets bad enough, americans will revolt
spacetimetsunami: he would have to do things that very personally affect people in awful ways that arent too abstracted
technocake.: aka america
technocake.: "antifa"
spacetimetsunami: by who lol
technocake.: let him get gilloutined then
spacetimetsunami: now things are very different
spacetimetsunami: right, but Trump was surrounded with people who werent retarded loyalists at that time
technocake.: they are the party that did corona stimulus
spacetimetsunami: hopefully
technocake.: they'll do it if it's economically needed
spacetimetsunami: maybe lol
spacetimetsunami: but with sufficient societal unrest it will happen
spacetimetsunami: it would be very unlike the GOP and the presidential cabinet to advocate for ubi
technocake.: the bigger a step change the better
spacetimetsunami: if ubi gets established, which i see only incentives to not do that at least in usa
spacetimetsunami: how fast automation occurs
spacetimetsunami: what goals they have
spacetimetsunami: like a lot of it depends on how quickly super intelligence or agents are integrated into society
spacetimetsunami: theres so many variables involved
technocake.: a golden path if you will
technocake.: there is a narrow way through
spacetimetsunami: i mean i do think abundance will fundamentally reshape things
himekokatagiri: if money is involved it'll be invested into AI
himekokatagiri: don't worry about them
spacetimetsunami: sure but oligarchs have a chance at becoming even more oligarchic
technocake.: matt has spoken!
himekokatagiri: we have a shot at victory
himekokatagiri: these people put us down
himekokatagiri: listen matt
spacetimetsunami: *maybe*
.histic: - Veo 2 is being rolled out to free users on AIStudio
- it was leaked that o3, o4-mini, o4-mini-high, and GPT-4.1? (or revamped 4o with base, mini, and nano variants) is planned to come next week, but things are subject to delay.
- Meta's LLama 4 without gamed fine-tune scored very poorly on lmsys.
- Grok 3's API came out & Grok 3 mini scored quiet well on LiveBench.
- Optimus Alpha got released on OpenRouter yesterday. it has the same 1 mill context window as Quasar but seems much faster. although, it seems little less generally performant than Quasar.
- Sam Altman vague replied on twitter alluding that these OpenRouter stealth releases may be OpenAI models.

that's all i can recall. there's much more, but these are the main ones i can remember.
himekokatagiri: wouldn't expect them
himekokatagiri: out of everyone
himekokatagiri: I can't believe silicon valley will save us


.histic: joking, they're both mid. i'm a no animal person.
hganhhh: no you arent
.histic: no, i'm a dog person.
hganhhh: do you liek cats
.histic: https://x.com/emanuelsa/status/1905256978147921994
of course you get these type of people
hganhhh: <@482923866600112154>hi
hganhhh: man i wanna fuck elon, really just pound his ass, make it dissapear. Then, make out with him with those gorgeous lips mmwmmmmma so goood ooooeeeee lalalala fucking beautiful man i love him
.histic: i got to make two versions tho
.histic: 🥵 damn 4o created a masterpiece
trent_k: honestly worth every penny
trent_k:
hey1_1hey: I am getting blue balled by 4o
ldj: but that doesn't really tell you much about the actual cost, it just tells you the cost difference between larger and smaller images

conservatively, I think it'll be atleast 5X more expensive per pixel, compared to the input cost per pixel
ldj: I think it may be based on amount of pixels basically yea
.histic: it has been like 3 minutes
.histic: bruh, mine froze on the creation of it
hey1_1hey: I mean I am not supprised
hey1_1hey: Servers are melting aperntly
hey1_1hey: Cant wait to see
.histic: i got the better version cooking up
.histic: my 4o is dying rn
hey1_1hey: Wasn't this mushroom girl <@937125337748348999>
hey1_1hey: Even my class mates today asked me "Oh you're the guy who knows about AI. Did it get an update or smth?" and I showed them and then they were like "huh, ig thats cool" meanwhile Im litterly autisming all over the place
literallyvarane: Lolololol so clearly 4.5 is just not intended to remain as a product
.histic: u rdy for mushroom girl?
hey1_1hey: 4o image gen has gone main stream now
hey1_1hey: Everyones posted this now 😭
wellmeaningalien: 💀 💀 💀 <:a_skull:1003020352965840997>
wellmeaningalien: https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1905332049021415862
.histic: lemme make her even better
hey1_1hey: Yo, hear me out <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.histic:
drewsni: Same
trent_k: <@312370916820779040> do you happen to know if the output tokens for images are done in fixed size patches like the input tokens? trying to figure out how much the API pricing is gonna be for 4o image outputs
hey1_1hey: Yeah
.histic: like mushroom girl?
hey1_1hey: Good idea
hey1_1hey: Whats the girl version next <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
trent_k: maybe he'll know
trent_k: hey wait im gonna ping san


a1c4p0ne: Imagine 2.5 deep research
spicy.lemonade: or 2.5 ultra
a1c4p0ne: 100% next?
spicy.lemonade: def comming this year
spicy.lemonade: 3.0 thinking wil be insane
spicy.lemonade: nice
spicy.lemonade: 6% jump
a1c4p0ne: On live bench wow
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 pro global average 82%
sarik0497: Promise? <:WalidPray:800412164891476018>
clevermoniker: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185322173708128406/1354372307887587443/gary_2.png?ex=67e50d01&is=67e3bb81&hm=27af5b51cbe77420a29833cfec3a24e2c998660aa659b03a177ba1f0f3c63a0d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
ai9708: well i dont think it is black and white like that
maintcrew: for sure but im not a stories writer guy
.wolfnacht: try it for writing stories, clearly better than anything else rn.
maintcrew: i really dont wanna get into the "they are just auto completers bro they dont think" rn
ai9708: but still cool it beats the other models in benchmarks
ai9708: that is because no model is "smart" yet
.wolfnacht: and simple flash would be 4.5 preview
maintcrew: best vibes currently in order: grok 3, sonnet-3.5, gippity 4.5
.wolfnacht: hoping 2.5 flash thinking would be on par with sonnet-3.7 thinking
maintcrew: vibes: bad
maintcrew: idk the model doesnt "feel smart" but i tried it a few times with coding questions
gamerbath: it's best in everything except for IF
drewsni: thank you sir, i have said she is the hottest woman alive and i wasnt joking
gamerbath: damn
maintcrew: out of pocket comment but if this is you you look like the most median nerd and your wife a baddie
zoermena: No moat
.wolfnacht: *clapped
ai9708: holy shit, gemini 2.5 slapped livebench
fractalcomputer: That quote is saying so much more when you take his larger work into consideration.
ai9708: https://livebench.ai/#/
.wolfnacht: r/BanAiArt vs r/DefendAiArt should have a debate, and should be streamed live...ofc for our entertainment
drewsni: again, i just dont think its that serious
drewsni: i dont think one out of context quote that was an extreme reaction to something that did look weird and vulgar to be considered ones philosophy
fractalcomputer: You're not seeing eye to eye with an interpretation of Miyazaki's philosophy—which I nonetheless hold to be a correct one—didn't I just say that I am an expert at juggling multiple different opinions in a conversation?

But say, using your vocabulary of choice; calling the edit feature nothing more than an advanced sort of SnapChat filter; does this not represent a certain trivialisation of art and the thought behind it? Art reduced from *art* to "just" shits and giggles and the sectioning of the quotidian and the feeding thereof to the butcher of commercialisation.
.wolfnacht: dats the mistake, i'm doing rn...
zoermena: Your next biggest mistake is not going all in on NVDA
.wolfnacht: my second biggest failure in life was not learning digital art between 2012-2017 and not hogging money for making furry porn and NFT's. My first mistake still remains not buying bitcoin in 2010.
drewsni: we definitely dont see this eye to eye. I dont think this is much different than a snapchat filter
drewsni: oai won


_cloudost: how much token context? 2 billion?
3ds0662: https://www.llama.com/llama4-reasoning-is-coming/
futurist_wizard: I guess zucky isn't so cucky after all
darkstar0818: What an astute observation, I stand corrected.
hey1_1hey: Zuck is a true red blooded American patriot
777agical: https://tenor.com/view/zuck-zuckerberg-freedom-peak-performance-gif-22220456
_cloudost: Altman might open source GPT-5 tho u need 1008 nvidia gpus to run it
hey1_1hey: Hey everyone how is llama 4? Whats the vibe check on it?
wellmeaningalien: and you were talking about those parameter sizes and i ask you and you say idk
wellmeaningalien: ok so basically you dont know anything
3ds0662: zuck is a hero
darkstar0818: absolute values are irrelevant, relative values per $ are all that matters.
3ds0662: if he opensources something like that for free oh my god
3ds0662: and 4.5
wellmeaningalien: tell me what are your estimated parameters sizes
3ds0662: hasnt released yet but hes calling it better than claude 3.7
darkstar0818: I already responded to this.  You simply give the models your real world tasks via API, then assess the API costs vs the realized value.
777agical: Did Zuck pull thru?! Is it over or are we back? Someone tell me how to feel rn
.histic: 4.5 is like 3T+
_cloudost: is it better than grok 3 or slightly better?
wellmeaningalien: empirical facts as if theyve written anywhere the parameter sizes or even alluded to it
wellmeaningalien: tell me your estimates on gemini 2.0 pro and gpt 4.5 param sizes
3ds0662: still training is crazy
darkstar0818: I guess one mans empirical facts is another mans vibes then.
3ds0662: holy fuckin shit
ailoveyoom: Kinda feeling the names

Behemoth 💪
Maverick 🗣
Scout 🥰
wellmeaningalien: Based on vibes
darkstar0818: No, based on token latency and costs.
3ds0662:
clevermoniker: the pro is compared on the images yeah
wellmeaningalien: param count
.0xunkn0wn: 😱
3ds0662:
3ds0662:
darkstar0818: What is based on vibes?
wellmeaningalien: (based on vibes)
darkstar0818: Compare non-thinking models of relatively equal active parameters. behemoth and 4.5 are teaching models, 2.0 pro is not.
.histic: https://lifearchitect.ai/agi/
this just hit 94% <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: lmarena elo is worthlesssss
3ds0662: oh shit oh shit oh shit 💩 10M context window


spicy.lemonade: After this week all of us will have a PhD in our pocket
hikukomoru: It’s a pic of me 👍 (real and true)
himekokatagiri: I'm a slave to googles ecosystem
himekokatagiri: idk my Google account is ancient
.histic: bet they'll get something out that rivals it within 3 months
.histic: there's a raw quality to imagen that i like in contrast to 4o. it feels lived-in with photorealistic details. there's also a polished, controllable aspect to 4o that's nice, but imagen has its own unique flavor.
i think Google can still cook something special in the future.
okbut: I remember everyone conspiring about ChatGPT doing this too but it only worked when search function utilized your IP for location-relevant results
darkstar0818: I thought it was you.
.wolfnacht: *"not everyone is blessed by saint pichai"*
himekokatagiri: It is
st.sioux: i thought it was out for everyone lol
hikukomoru: Is that hex maniac
spicy.lemonade: Can’t
.wolfnacht: "only the chosen ones"
st.sioux: and in cloud console
himekokatagiri: 👍
st.sioux: in aistudio you can use it
himekokatagiri: thanks google
hikukomoru: This is how I be
himekokatagiri: lol I love how Google just doxes you
spicy.lemonade: Bro where tf is veo2 we were promised
.wolfnacht: and tell it to generate an image with the prompt
.wolfnacht: use 2.5
himekokatagiri: Which one is it
spicy.lemonade: Imagen lame we want native image
himekokatagiri:
.wolfnacht: https://www.rxddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jyn7i1/imagen_vs_gpt_4o/
hikukomoru: Google-chan
okbut: Do we think the tariff relief for tech hardware was for AAPL or for OAI
.wolfnacht: just go to gemini app and fire it
himekokatagiri: no fooling?
.wolfnacht: made this with imagen 3 <@590577270926868480>
spicy.lemonade: Big day
himekokatagiri: I mean I guess it can I can't read Italian too good
spicy.lemonade: Tmr OpenAI will drop
himekokatagiri: proving it can:
hikukomoru: Morrowind but with modern graphics and gameplay 😈
himekokatagiri: idk people still think AI can't write text
okbut: Just realized AGI implies the porn workforce is relieved too
himekokatagiri: extra songs