<p>Money is only inflationary in so far as it's moving around. So for there to be an inflationary or deflationary signal, that means that either the amount of money moving around has changed, or its velocity has changed.</p>

<p>And what does it mean to have money "moving around"? It means that it's being used to buy goods or services. And that's how it affects prices - because it affects demand.</p>

<p>So, yes, to elucidate: it's as you say- <em>"if the millionaire wouldn't have destroyed the money but spent it, he could have bought a lot of goods with it, and the sellers of those goods could have bought still more goods with that profit and so on. As now those goods are no longer being bought, the sellers have to slightly reduce prices, so their goods aren't wasted in their warehouses. This means prices will drop a little, and this is how the economy "feels" the difference"</em></p>

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Great point, but your answer does not elaborate on the (admittedly basic) mechanism of inflation which seems to be at the core of this question.
Giskard
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I know all this, so this answer basically just reformulates my question with different words. Still, it helped me to clear it up a little bit. So, is it like if the millionaire wouldn't have destroyed the money but spent it, he could have bought a lot of goods with it, and the sellers of those goods could have bought still more goods with that profit and so on. As now those goods are no longer being bought, the sellers have to slightly reduce prices, so their goods aren't wasted in their warehouses. This means prices will drop a little, and this is how the economy "feels" the difference?
vsz
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If it's that, please indicate it in your question. Or was my line of thinking only valid centuries ago, before fractional reserve banking, and now financial institutions somehow measure the flow of money and take some action if they see that the amount is changing?
vsz
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410 gone
<p>Money is no different from any other commodity in this regard. How does the economy "detect" that the quantity of oranges has changed to determine (in conjunction with the demand for oranges) the equilibrium price of oranges? In general equilibrium models the classic theoretical model was the tâtonnement or Walrasian auction.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>A Walrasian auction, introduced by Léon Walras, is a type of
  simultaneous auction where each agent calculates its demand for the
  good at every possible price and submits this to an auctioneer. The
  price is then set so that the total demand across all agents equals
  the total amount of the good. Thus, a Walrasian auction perfectly
  matches the supply and the demand.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walrasian_auction" rel="nofollow">Walrasian auction</a> </p>

<p>While Walrasian auctions are helpful for theoretical models and do exist in the real world(see for example <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378426616300504" rel="nofollow">the Tokyo's Grain Exchange</a>), they are not the dominant mechanism for setting price changes. Competition among intermediaries seems vastly more common. In oranges, it might be the actions of wholesalers that attempting to pay the best price for farmer's inventories or supermarkets attempting to pay the best price for wholesaler inventories. If someone grows oranges for private consumption and never buys or sells any oranges then that production never gets detected and is not reflected in the price of oranges. </p>

<p>With money it is more complex but fundamentally similar. Banks bid for money by setting the interest rate to attract funds. Firms bid for capital by offering to pay an interest rate to banks. Households decide how much money to hold and how much to invest or spend instead. If a miser has a billion in cash and burns it without telling anyone the market may indeed never find out. </p>

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I like this answer, but money as a commodity seems like an odd analogy. It affects the sale of all other commodities (including itself?)
Kitsune Cavalry
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BKay
<p>Your question reminds me of how in Zimbabwe, locals like to literally launder money (wash bills) to extend the lifetime of small denomination bills. Tyler Cowen's blog <em>Marginal Revolution</em> made a <a href="http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/07/laundering-money-literally.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">brief post about it as well referencing the article</a>. The phenomenon of <a href="https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2014/acs-presspac-january-8-2014/laundering-money-literally-could-save-billions-of-dollars.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">literally washing and cleaning money</a> has been known for quite some time now.</p>
<p>Any change in the money velocity in this sense, whether increasing or decreasing the physical money base, can be expected to have the same effect of an expansionary or contractionary monetary policy, just on a smaller scale. The Fed and the Treasury obviously can't literally keep track of how much money is in circulation, so when they destroy old bills and make new bills, they probably will only adjust their printing in large imprecise chunks. Smaller changes in money supply can be adjusted for with interest rates or other monetary policy, presumably.</p>

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the link is a 404.
EmmanuelMess
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@EmmanuelMess I've restructured the answer and removed the dead link, thanks.
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Kitsune Cavalry
<p>To the question "how does the economy as a whole detect if money is removed from it?", i would answer: "with great difficulties and intermediate modifications, which, in the end, call the tune".
To deal with money, be it in macro or micro terms, is mandatory to avoid neglecting the difference between stocks and flows. That is: it has to be identified "existing" (or out-of-bank-system) and circulating money, both connected (of course) by a velocity.</p>

<p>Generally, we speak of "supply" of money as the size of aggregate-bank-system balance sheet. That is, the stock of out-there "existing" money.
What "the economy" "perceives", on the contrary, is the flow of money going to buy goods, services, and assets (neither to mix up, nor to neglect, the latter!)</p>

<p>Money does not appear, but is created, what is a slight and important difference, because it has a counterpart. Also, money cannot desappear, but is "cancelated", against a counterpart.</p>

<p>In your rich person example, the burnt notes are not distinguishable from hoarded ones for "the economy" (because it's a secret), thus counting as existing ("supplied") money, but not circulating. Central Bank, or in general the issuer of the notes, when making periodical inventories of "existing" notes (i ignore the procedure and frecuency of this), will note the lost ones, and will cancel the liability in its balance sheet (writting down a profit, that in macro terms cancels the lost of your millioner).</p>

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escaiguolquer
<p>It is well known that there is a strong connection between introducing more money into an economy and inflation, as well as removing money and deflation.</p>

<p>However, how does the economy as a whole "detect" if money is removed from it?</p>

<p>A similar question would be how it detects whether the supply of money is increased, but that I could understand and explain better as printing new money is regulated, so the government and banks know about the increase and act accordingly. (yes, I know, printing money is not the only way to produce it, but I would guess creating new debt is also regulated or measured in some way)</p>

<p>I could also explain extreme cases, where the amount of money created or destroyed makes up a significant portion of the total amount. If suddenly such a large amount of money appeared, people would start to buy more things, and as the supply of things to buy is not enough, people will pay more money for it to be able to get it by out-bidding others, so prices increase, and we have inflation. Or if a significant portion of the money supply is destroyed, there is an abundance of things to buy, but not enough money to buy things, so prices will have to be lowered otherwise nobody would buy anything, so we have deflation.</p>

<p>However, by what mechanisms does it happen that small (but not negligibly small) amounts of change in the money supply cause small amounts of inflation or deflation?</p>

<p>For example, if one very rich person would sell off some property in cash or take cash out of bank accounts, and just burn or bury that cash without telling anyone, how would the economy "know" it and by what mechanisms would it cause deflation? The amount in this example is not enough for people to consciously realize that money is missing from the economy so they could adapt their spending habits accordingly.</p>

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I believe the mechanisms in this paper will answer your question: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2103.05556.pdf
Mick
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How does the economy "detect" if money is removed from circulation?
vsz
# How does the economy "detect" if money is removed from circulation?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-09-08)

It is well known that there is a strong connection between introducing more money into an economy and inflation, as well as removing money and deflation.

However, how does the economy as a whole "detect" if money is removed from it?

A similar question would be how it detects whether the supply of money is increased, but that I could understand and explain better as printing new money is regulated, so the government and banks know about the increase and act accordingly. (yes, I know, printing money is not the only way to produce it, but I would guess creating new debt is also regulated or measured in some way)

I could also explain extreme cases, where the amount of money created or destroyed makes up a significant portion of the total amount. If suddenly such a large amount of money appeared, people would start to buy more things, and as the supply of things to buy is not enough, people will pay more money for it to be able to get it by out-bidding others, so prices increase, and we have inflation. Or if a significant portion of the money supply is destroyed, there is an abundance of things to buy, but not enough money to buy things, so prices will have to be lowered otherwise nobody would buy anything, so we have deflation.

However, by what mechanisms does it happen that small (but not negligibly small) amounts of change in the money supply cause small amounts of inflation or deflation?

For example, if one very rich person would sell off some property in cash or take cash out of bank accounts, and just burn or bury that cash without telling anyone, how would the economy "know" it and by what mechanisms would it cause deflation? The amount in this example is not enough for people to consciously realize that money is missing from the economy so they could adapt their spending habits accordingly.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I believe the mechanisms in this paper will answer your question: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2103.05556.pdf  

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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2016-09-08. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Money is only inflationary in so far as it's moving around. So for there to be an inflationary or deflationary signal, that means that either the amount of money moving around has changed, or its velocity has changed.

And what does it mean to have money "moving around"? It means that it's being used to buy goods or services. And that's how it affects prices - because it affects demand.

So, yes, to elucidate: it's as you say- *"if the millionaire wouldn't have destroyed the money but spent it, he could have bought a lot of goods with it, and the sellers of those goods could have bought still more goods with that profit and so on. As now those goods are no longer being bought, the sellers have to slightly reduce prices, so their goods aren't wasted in their warehouses. This means prices will drop a little, and this is how the economy "feels" the difference"*

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Great point, but your answer does not elaborate on the (admittedly basic) mechanism of inflation which seems to be at the core of this question.  
> **username_0**: I know all this, so this answer basically just reformulates my question with different words. Still, it helped me to clear it up a little bit. So, is it like if the millionaire wouldn't have destroyed the money but spent it, he could have bought a lot of goods with it, and the sellers of those goods could have bought still more goods with that profit and so on. As now those goods are no longer being bought, the sellers have to slightly reduce prices, so their goods aren't wasted in their warehouses. This means prices will drop a little, and this is how the economy "feels" the difference?  
> **username_0**: If it's that, please indicate it in your question. Or was my line of thinking only valid centuries ago, before fractional reserve banking, and now financial institutions somehow measure the flow of money and take some action if they see that the amount is changing?  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2016-09-12. Score: 2

Money is no different from any other commodity in this regard. How does the economy "detect" that the quantity of oranges has changed to determine (in conjunction with the demand for oranges) the equilibrium price of oranges? In general equilibrium models the classic theoretical model was the tâtonnement or Walrasian auction.

> A Walrasian auction, introduced by Léon Walras, is a type of
> simultaneous auction where each agent calculates its demand for the
> good at every possible price and submits this to an auctioneer. The
> price is then set so that the total demand across all agents equals
> the total amount of the good. Thus, a Walrasian auction perfectly
> matches the supply and the demand.

[Walrasian auction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walrasian_auction)

While Walrasian auctions are helpful for theoretical models and do exist in the real world(see for example [the Tokyo's Grain Exchange](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378426616300504)), they are not the dominant mechanism for setting price changes. Competition among intermediaries seems vastly more common. In oranges, it might be the actions of wholesalers that attempting to pay the best price for farmer's inventories or supermarkets attempting to pay the best price for wholesaler inventories. If someone grows oranges for private consumption and never buys or sells any oranges then that production never gets detected and is not reflected in the price of oranges.

With money it is more complex but fundamentally similar. Banks bid for money by setting the interest rate to attract funds. Firms bid for capital by offering to pay an interest rate to banks. Households decide how much money to hold and how much to invest or spend instead. If a miser has a billion in cash and burns it without telling anyone the market may indeed never find out.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: I like this answer, but money as a commodity seems like an odd analogy. It affects the sale of all other commodities (including itself?)  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2016-09-12. Score: 1

Your question reminds me of how in Zimbabwe, locals like to literally launder money (wash bills) to extend the lifetime of small denomination bills. Tyler Cowen's blog *Marginal Revolution* made a [brief post about it as well referencing the article](http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/07/laundering-money-literally.html). The phenomenon of [literally washing and cleaning money](https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2014/acs-presspac-january-8-2014/laundering-money-literally-could-save-billions-of-dollars.html) has been known for quite some time now.

Any change in the money velocity in this sense, whether increasing or decreasing the physical money base, can be expected to have the same effect of an expansionary or contractionary monetary policy, just on a smaller scale. The Fed and the Treasury obviously can't literally keep track of how much money is in circulation, so when they destroy old bills and make new bills, they probably will only adjust their printing in large imprecise chunks. Smaller changes in money supply can be adjusted for with interest rates or other monetary policy, presumably.

> **Comments:**
> **username_6**: the link is a 404.  
> **username_5**: @username_6 I've restructured the answer and removed the dead link, thanks.  

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### Answer by username_7 on 2016-09-09. Score: 0

To the question "how does the economy as a whole detect if money is removed from it?", i would answer: "with great difficulties and intermediate modifications, which, in the end, call the tune".
To deal with money, be it in macro or micro terms, is mandatory to avoid neglecting the difference between stocks and flows. That is: it has to be identified "existing" (or out-of-bank-system) and circulating money, both connected (of course) by a velocity.

Generally, we speak of "supply" of money as the size of aggregate-bank-system balance sheet. That is, the stock of out-there "existing" money.
What "the economy" "perceives", on the contrary, is the flow of money going to buy goods, services, and assets (neither to mix up, nor to neglect, the latter!)

Money does not appear, but is created, what is a slight and important difference, because it has a counterpart. Also, money cannot desappear, but is "cancelated", against a counterpart.

In your rich person example, the burnt notes are not distinguishable from hoarded ones for "the economy" (because it's a secret), thus counting as existing ("supplied") money, but not circulating. Central Bank, or in general the issuer of the notes, when making periodical inventories of "existing" notes (i ignore the procedure and frecuency of this), will note the lost ones, and will cancel the liability in its balance sheet (writting down a profit, that in macro terms cancels the lost of your millioner).


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