<p>I recently found the answer to this question in an old book called <a href="https://www.elsevier.com/books/lectures-on-microeconomic-theory/malinvaud/978-0-444-87650-8?countrycode=US&format=print&utm_source=google_ads&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=canadashopping&gclid=Cj0KCQiA88X_BRDUARIsACVMYD84bXr1KlQtJHj21Mf4NTBmIrtYPFN4MKlV0MMVIbV2r9RE1JKyJQEaAo54EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds" rel="nofollow noreferrer"> Lectures on Microeconomic Theory</a> (Revised Edition) by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Malinvaud" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Edmond Malinvaud</a>. <strong>It turns out that the rate of profit is synonymous with the rate of return on capital/ interest rate</strong>. The derivation is quite remarkable. There are two main points where it is mentioned in the text, namely on page 274 and page 292 in the text.</p>
<p>The reason why the term &quot;rate of profit&quot; it has dropped out of the mainstream economist's lexicon is because, on its own. it appears to carry little diagnostic meaning on its own and simply exists for the use of its derivative which is synonymous with something that we can derive more easily through just our firms production technology.</p>
<p>Bottom line: We can get the same key result of the rate of profit with a simpler structure (a production function).</p>
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+1 for finding this remarkable derivation, although this argument was already mentioned in paragraph 3 of my answer where I mentioned that the rate of profit and rate of return on capital are used synonymously
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<p>I think it has to do with declining interest in Marxian economics. In the past the Marxian economics, especially the one in Sraffian tradition had much wider appeal.  The rate of profit was an important metric in Marxian economics, since Marxian economics makes several important predictions about the rate of profit in 'capitalist' economies (e.g. the  tendency of the rate of profit to fall (TRPF) hypothesis - see Marx Capital, Volume III).</p>
<p>If you look at the historical papers that discuss the rate of profit, they are very often connected to the TRPF hypothesis (although not necessarily from Marxian angle). In fact, if you just put rate of profit into <a href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=rate%20of%20profit&amp;hl=en&amp;as_sdt=0,5" rel="nofollow noreferrer">google scholar</a> now more than 1/3 of the searches relate either to Marxian economics of TRPF hypothesis. If you do the same with <a href="https://link.springer.com/search?facet-eisbn=978-1-349-95121-5&amp;facet-content-type=ReferenceWorkEntry&amp;query=rate%20of%20profit" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Palgrave dictionary of economics</a> almost half of the results on first page are connected to Marxian economics or TRPF hypothesis. I realize this alone is not rigorous proof but it is at least bit suggestive.</p>
<p>In addition, I would challenge the idea that the rate of profit 'dropped from mainstream economics'. Rate of profit is often used synonymously with rate of return on capital (see Feldstein, Summers &amp; Wachter, 1977). This is so because existence of profit is often (at least partially) attributed to the fact that firms typically own their capital, and indeed if you look at papers that try to measure rate of profit often they look at returns on assets as well such as the Feldstein et al paper above.</p>
<p>You will find rate of return capital to be mentioned far more often in the mainstream literature, and textbooks as well. Thus it is possible that the rate of profit was just abandoned due to the Marxist connotations.</p>

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<p>I've been taking some time to read up on the history of economic thought and am wondering why the rate of profit (which was a measure heavily discussed up to the 1970s) seems to disappear out of economics education all together.</p>
<p>I have my own ideas for why it dropped out of economics education but am wondering if there is a reason why this metric is no longer discussed (for the most part) in mainstream economics.</p>

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# Why is the rate of profit not important?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-12-31)

I've been taking some time to read up on the history of economic thought and am wondering why the rate of profit (which was a measure heavily discussed up to the 1970s) seems to disappear out of economics education all together.

I have my own ideas for why it dropped out of economics education but am wondering if there is a reason why this metric is no longer discussed (for the most part) in mainstream economics.

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### Answer by username_1 on 2020-12-31. Score: 7 | Accepted answer

I think it has to do with declining interest in Marxian economics. In the past the Marxian economics, especially the one in Sraffian tradition had much wider appeal. The rate of profit was an important metric in Marxian economics, since Marxian economics makes several important predictions about the rate of profit in 'capitalist' economies (e.g. the tendency of the rate of profit to fall (TRPF) hypothesis - see Marx Capital, Volume III).

If you look at the historical papers that discuss the rate of profit, they are very often connected to the TRPF hypothesis (although not necessarily from Marxian angle). In fact, if you just put rate of profit into [google scholar](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=rate%20of%20profit&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5) now more than 1/3 of the searches relate either to Marxian economics of TRPF hypothesis. If you do the same with [Palgrave dictionary of economics](https://link.springer.com/search?facet-eisbn=978-1-349-95121-5&facet-content-type=ReferenceWorkEntry&query=rate%20of%20profit) almost half of the results on first page are connected to Marxian economics or TRPF hypothesis. I realize this alone is not rigorous proof but it is at least bit suggestive.

In addition, I would challenge the idea that the rate of profit 'dropped from mainstream economics'. Rate of profit is often used synonymously with rate of return on capital (see Feldstein, Summers & Wachter, 1977). This is so because existence of profit is often (at least partially) attributed to the fact that firms typically own their capital, and indeed if you look at papers that try to measure rate of profit often they look at returns on assets as well such as the Feldstein et al paper above.

You will find rate of return capital to be mentioned far more often in the mainstream literature, and textbooks as well. Thus it is possible that the rate of profit was just abandoned due to the Marxist connotations.


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### Answer by username_0 on 2021-01-03. Score: 2

I recently found the answer to this question in an old book called  [Lectures on Microeconomic Theory](https://www.elsevier.com/books/lectures-on-microeconomic-theory/malinvaud/978-0-444-87650-8?countrycode=US&format=print&utm_source=google_ads&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=canadashopping&gclid=Cj0KCQiA88X_BRDUARIsACVMYD84bXr1KlQtJHj21Mf4NTBmIrtYPFN4MKlV0MMVIbV2r9RE1JKyJQEaAo54EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds) (Revised Edition) by [Edmond Malinvaud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Malinvaud). **It turns out that the rate of profit is synonymous with the rate of return on capital/ interest rate**. The derivation is quite remarkable. There are two main points where it is mentioned in the text, namely on page 274 and page 292 in the text.

The reason why the term "rate of profit" it has dropped out of the mainstream economist's lexicon is because, on its own. it appears to carry little diagnostic meaning on its own and simply exists for the use of its derivative which is synonymous with something that we can derive more easily through just our firms production technology.

Bottom line: We can get the same key result of the rate of profit with a simpler structure (a production function).

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/yAjoK.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/yAjoK.png)

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/HrMDU.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/HrMDU.png)

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: +1 for finding this remarkable derivation, although this argument was already mentioned in paragraph 3 of my answer where I mentioned that the rate of profit and rate of return on capital are used synonymously  

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