<p>You are missing the <em>average</em> cost curve in the same diagram. 
Basic algebra gives us the following.  </p>

<p>Let's find the minimum of the $AC = C/Q$. We have</p>

<p>$$\frac {\partial AC}{\partial Q} = \frac {MC\cdot Q - C}{Q^2}$$</p>

<p>For this to be equal to zero, we must have $MC \cdot Q = C \implies MC = AC$. So when $AC$ is at its minimum, it equals $MC$. But we also want the second order condition, and we want the second derivative to be positive, <em>evaluated at the critical point</em>.</p>

<p>$$\frac {\partial^2 AC}{\partial Q^2} &lt;0 \implies ...MC'\cdot Q^3-2MC\cdot Q^2 + 2QC &gt;0$$</p>

<p>At the critical point $MC = AC = C/Q$. Inserting this we get the condition </p>

<p>$$MC'\cdot Q^3-2(C/Q)\cdot Q^2 + 2QC &gt;0 \implies MC'&gt;0$$</p>

<p>So at the point where $MC = AC$ we want MC to be <em>rising</em>. But this implies that it will cross the $AC$ curve from <em>below</em>. In turn this implies that for quantities lower than this point, marginal cost curve will be below the average cost curve, which means that if this left part of $MC$ curve was a supply curve the firm would have losses.  </p>

<p>Therefore the supply curve is only an upwards-sloping part of the marginal cost curve. You can now superimpose the $AC$ curve that is consistent with all these.</p>

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<p>I'll offer a less algebraic alternative to Alecos's answer. In short, yes and no.</p>
<h3>The &quot;no&quot; part</h3>
<p>Normally the MC and AC curves would look like the following, with MC intersecting AC from below AC's minimum point. Suppose price <span class="math-container">$P_0$</span> were below this point. Then the firm would sell at a quantity below <span class="math-container">$Q_1$</span>. But what does this imply for the firm's profit? On average, the firm would make <span class="math-container">$P_0$</span> per unit sold, but the cost per unit must be higher than <span class="math-container">$P_0$</span>, i.e. at <span class="math-container">$AC_0$</span> if the firm is selling at <span class="math-container">$Q_0$</span>. This means the firm would be making a loss (negative profit) and no profit maximizing firm would try to operate at this point; they'd be better off shutting down and get zero profit instead.</p>
<p>Therefore, a firm's supply curve should be the fraction of its MC curve that's above the AC curve, which is always upward sloping. The quantity <span class="math-container">$Q_1$</span> where a firm would start producing is sometimes referred to as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_efficient_scale" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><em>minimum efficient scale</em></a> of production.</p>
<h3>The &quot;yes&quot; part</h3>
<p>In your demand-supply diagram, the supply curve starts from the origin. Imagine this is just as having the red-dash line in the following diagram &quot;approximating&quot; the part of the MC curve that is below AC --- filling the gap, so to speak.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/oEJdx.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/oEJdx.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>

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(+1). Starting the supply curve at the origin, implies the non-existence of fixed costs. I don't believe that there exist markets where production can start without some fixed costs, which then tells us that a supply curve, and hence a market exists only above a strictly positive quantity.
Alecos Papadopoulos
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@AlecosPapadopoulos: I agree that's the case when fixed costs are non-sunk. For sunk fixed costs, well, they should not feature in a firm's decision. So it's WLOG to have supply curve starting at origin. At any rate, the part of the supply curve between the origin and the AC-MC intersection is just an approximation; there's room for a little hand-waving.
Herr K.
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@HerrK. But why can't I just sell based off the average cost and not the MC? That way there's no change of making a loss.
Andy
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@MainManAndy: MC reflects the cost of additional units produced, and thus setting price equal to MC more accurately captures the increase in costs of production. Moreover, a firm's objective is to maximize profit, not to avoid losses. Pricing based on AC is inconsistent with this profit motive.
Herr K.
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This is not immediately related but I would like to ask if decreasing the MC benefits the monopolist or oligopolist. Decreasing MC means to shift the MC curve downwards in the firms diagram, such that MC intersects MR at a greater quantity such that the firm has to charge a lower price and produce a larger quantity. In my opinion, it does not and would depend on the PED of the demand for the firm's goods. If the demand is price-inelastic, a decrease in price would lead to a less than proportionate increase in quantity demanded. Hence, total revenue would fall.
Tan Yong Boon
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@TanYongBoon: I think you should post what you asked as a proper question, not as a comment.
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Herr K.
<p>My class IB has just discussed allocative efficiency and hence consumer and producer supply. They explained the concepts with a diagram like this:
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/KHOo8.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/KHOo8.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

<p>It all made perfect sense to me until it was mentioned that the supply curve can also be seen as a marginal cost curve. If this is the case, I don't understand why it is only sloping upwards. I know that marginal cost curves (at least at short-term) look something like... <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/5wQEF.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/5wQEF.png" alt="This"></a>
But the curve in the first diagram is different.</p>

<p>Is is an oversimplification of a real marginal cost diagram, or am I missing something?</p>

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Understanding the shape of a Marginal Cost Curve
Andy
# Understanding the shape of a Marginal Cost Curve

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-11-01)

My class IB has just discussed allocative efficiency and hence consumer and producer supply. They explained the concepts with a diagram like this:
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/KHOo8.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/KHOo8.png)

It all made perfect sense to me until it was mentioned that the supply curve can also be seen as a marginal cost curve. If this is the case, I don't understand why it is only sloping upwards. I know that marginal cost curves (at least at short-term) look something like... [![This](https://i.sstatic.net/5wQEF.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/5wQEF.png)
But the curve in the first diagram is different.

Is is an oversimplification of a real marginal cost diagram, or am I missing something?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2017-11-02. Score: 7 | Accepted answer

I'll offer a less algebraic alternative to Alecos's answer. In short, yes and no.

### The "no" part

Normally the MC and AC curves would look like the following, with MC intersecting AC from below AC's minimum point. Suppose price $P\_0$ were below this point. Then the firm would sell at a quantity below $Q\_1$. But what does this imply for the firm's profit? On average, the firm would make $P\_0$ per unit sold, but the cost per unit must be higher than $P\_0$, i.e. at $AC\_0$ if the firm is selling at $Q\_0$. This means the firm would be making a loss (negative profit) and no profit maximizing firm would try to operate at this point; they'd be better off shutting down and get zero profit instead.

Therefore, a firm's supply curve should be the fraction of its MC curve that's above the AC curve, which is always upward sloping. The quantity $Q\_1$ where a firm would start producing is sometimes referred to as the [*minimum efficient scale*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_efficient_scale) of production.

### The "yes" part

In your demand-supply diagram, the supply curve starts from the origin. Imagine this is just as having the red-dash line in the following diagram "approximating" the part of the MC curve that is below AC --- filling the gap, so to speak.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/oEJdx.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/oEJdx.png)

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: (+1). Starting the supply curve at the origin, implies the non-existence of fixed costs. I don't believe that there exist markets where production can start without some fixed costs, which then tells us that a supply curve, and hence a market exists only above a strictly positive quantity.  
> **username_2**: @AlecosPapadopoulos: I agree that's the case when fixed costs are non-sunk. For sunk fixed costs, well, they should not feature in a firm's decision. So it's WLOG to have supply curve starting at origin. At any rate, the part of the supply curve between the origin and the AC-MC intersection is just an approximation; there's room for a little hand-waving.  
> **username_0**: @HerrK. But why can't I just sell based off the average cost and not the MC? That way there's no change of making a loss.  
> **username_2**: @MainManusername_0: MC reflects the cost of additional units produced, and thus setting price equal to MC more accurately captures the increase in costs of production. Moreover, a firm's objective is to maximize profit, not to avoid losses. Pricing based on AC is inconsistent with this profit motive.  
> **username_3**: This is not immediately related but I would like to ask if decreasing the MC benefits the monopolist or oligopolist. Decreasing MC means to shift the MC curve downwards in the firms diagram, such that MC intersects MR at a greater quantity such that the firm has to charge a lower price and produce a larger quantity. In my opinion, it does not and would depend on the PED of the demand for the firm's goods. If the demand is price-inelastic, a decrease in price would lead to a less than proportionate increase in quantity demanded. Hence, total revenue would fall.  
> **username_2**: @TanYongBoon: I think you should post what you asked as a proper question, not as a comment.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2017-11-02. Score: 7

You are missing the *average* cost curve in the same diagram.
Basic algebra gives us the following.

Let's find the minimum of the $AC = C/Q$. We have

$$\frac {\partial AC}{\partial Q} = \frac {MC\cdot Q - C}{Q^2}$$

For this to be equal to zero, we must have $MC \cdot Q = C \implies MC = AC$. So when $AC$ is at its minimum, it equals $MC$. But we also want the second order condition, and we want the second derivative to be positive, *evaluated at the critical point*.

$$\frac {\partial^2 AC}{\partial Q^2} <0 \implies ...MC'\cdot Q^3-2MC\cdot Q^2 + 2QC >0$$

At the critical point $MC = AC = C/Q$. Inserting this we get the condition

$$MC'\cdot Q^3-2(C/Q)\cdot Q^2 + 2QC >0 \implies MC'>0$$

So at the point where $MC = AC$ we want MC to be *rising*. But this implies that it will cross the $AC$ curve from *below*. In turn this implies that for quantities lower than this point, marginal cost curve will be below the average cost curve, which means that if this left part of $MC$ curve was a supply curve the firm would have losses.

Therefore the supply curve is only an upwards-sloping part of the marginal cost curve. You can now superimpose the $AC$ curve that is consistent with all these.


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