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  <p>Is it ever meaningful to use FPKM values for analyzing across samples?</p>
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<p>One should never use FPKMs for anything important. They can occasionally be useful for plotting, but even in that case one needs to construct the FPKMs from properly normalized data and not use the original definition.</p>

<p>It's becoming ever rarer to see people using FPKMs these days, thankfully.</p>

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2018-07-03T19:06:09.093Z
Thanks, I also saw your response here https://www.biostars.org/p/317417/ as the answer to my followup.
jaslibra
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2018-07-10T12:39:56.350Z
So what is a proper alternative? TMM?
LinuxBlanket
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@LinuxBlanket TMM or another robust normalization method, yes.
Devon Ryan
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2018-06-30T07:24:54.093Z
Devon Ryan
<p>Perhaps my understanding is wildly misguided, but I'm seriously confused about why people are still interested using FPKM values for cross sample gene expression analysis. My understanding is, that for some gene ${ i }$, its $FPKM$ is calculated as follows:</p>

<p>$$ FPKM_i \propto \frac{ \mathrm{fragments\ mapping \ to\ gene \ }i } { \sum_j \mathrm{ fragments\ mapping\ to \ gene\  } j } \bigg/ 
\mathrm{effective\_length}(i) $$</p>

<p>For comparing gene expression within a single sample, this doesn't seem too harmful to me. In fact, this seems like a good idea.  </p>

<p>However, the use of $FPKM$ or even the famous $log_2(FPKM+1)$ in a similarity analysis seems to me plain wrong. True differences in RNA abundances of a couple of genes would significantly impact the FPKM values of the other genes leaving  perhaps confused about the true differences between the samples. </p>

<p>Am I missing something here? Is it ever meaningful to use FPKM values for analyzing across samples?</p>

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Why is FPKM still used for gene expression studies?
# Why is FPKM still used for gene expression studies?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-06-29)

Perhaps my understanding is wildly misguided, but I'm seriously confused about why people are still interested using FPKM values for cross sample gene expression analysis. My understanding is, that for some gene ${ i }$, its $FPKM$ is calculated as follows:

$$ FPKM\_i \propto \frac{ \mathrm{fragments\ mapping \ to\ gene \ }i } { \sum\_j \mathrm{ fragments\ mapping\ to \ gene\ } j } \bigg/
\mathrm{effective\\_length}(i) $$

For comparing gene expression within a single sample, this doesn't seem too harmful to me. In fact, this seems like a good idea.

However, the use of $FPKM$ or even the famous $log\_2(FPKM+1)$ in a similarity analysis seems to me plain wrong. True differences in RNA abundances of a couple of genes would significantly impact the FPKM values of the other genes leaving perhaps confused about the true differences between the samples.

Am I missing something here? Is it ever meaningful to use FPKM values for analyzing across samples?

**Tags:** rna-seq, fpkm

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2018-06-30. Score: 1

> Is it ever meaningful to use FPKM values for analyzing across samples?

One should never use FPKMs for anything important. They can occasionally be useful for plotting, but even in that case one needs to construct the FPKMs from properly normalized data and not use the original definition.

It's becoming ever rarer to see people using FPKMs these days, thankfully.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks, I also saw your response here https://www.biostars.org/p/317417/ as the answer to my followup.  
> **username_2**: So what is a proper alternative? TMM?  
> **username_1**: @LinuxBlanket TMM or another robust normalization method, yes.  

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