<p>Short selling is essentially an agreement between you and Bitcoinica where Bitcoinica pays you if the BTC/USD price decreases, and you pay them if the price increases, in an amount equal to the price difference multiplied by the number of bitcoins you sold short.</p>

<p>Presumably you trust Bitcoinica to hold up its end of the deal, but they don't know you and don't trust you, so they require you to make a deposit which they deem more than enough to be able to cover your obligations. It may happen that when the price changes they are no longer confident your deposit is enough; they will then do a forced liquidation, settling the agreement up to this point and only allowing you to make a smaller agreement going forward.</p>

<p>The deposit can be in either BTC or USD. If you have BTC, however, you may want to consider first selling the BTC (which is functionally equivalent to taking a short position), which may be done cheaper than in Bitcoinica, and then short-sell on Bitcoinica.</p>

<p>An alternative view of short-selling is that you borrow bitcoins from Bitcoinica, offering a deposit as collateral, and then selling them. With Bitcoinica out of the picture for now, short-selling can be done by literally finding someone to borrow bitcoins from.</p>

<p>You can also learn more about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_%28finance%29">Margin trading</a> in general on Wikipedia.</p>

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2017-12-08T19:29:58.030Z
After reading this answer, it's not entirely clear to me whether short-selling is actually possible. It looks like something similar but not identical happened here, but I'm a little fuzzy on the matter.
Mast
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2012-05-15T20:22:49.793Z
Technically, this isn't short selling bitcoins though as Bitcoinica's BTC/USD positions are contract-for-difference bets and not actual bitcoins.

You aren't technically borrowing and then selling bitcoins when you have a short BTC/USD position on Bitcoinica.
Stephen Gornick
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2012-05-15T20:31:07.147Z
@Meni if you already have the Bitcoins you want to short, you don't need a third party: you simply sell them, and buy them back when you see fit. The whole point of short-selling is selling something you don't have.
o0'.
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2012-05-15T21:03:45.093Z
Another form of going short is to buy PUT options.  See MPEx: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx
Stephen Gornick
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2012-05-16T06:34:19.340Z
@Lohoris: I already said that. The question wasn't whether he should take a short position on Bitcoinica with a BTC deposit, but whether he can.
Meni Rosenfeld
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2012-05-17T19:56:23.653Z
@Lohoris: At bitcoinica you could short sell with leverage. You could sell a multiple of your margin, regardless if margin is held in BTC or USD.
Jürgen Strobel
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2012-05-15T19:10:35.367Z
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2012-05-15T19:19:23.837Z
Meni Rosenfeld
<p>Bitcoinica does (or did) offer short selling, but the question is how?</p>

<p>If I fund my account with 100 BTC and I want to short BTC, can I do that, or do I need USD to do that?</p>

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How exactly does short selling with Bitcoins work?
Shamoon
# How exactly does short selling with Bitcoins work?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2012-05-15)

Bitcoinica does (or did) offer short selling, but the question is how?

If I fund my account with 100 BTC and I want to short BTC, can I do that, or do I need USD to do that?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2012-05-15. Score: 6 | Accepted answer

Short selling is essentially an agreement between you and Bitcoinica where Bitcoinica pays you if the BTC/USD price decreases, and you pay them if the price increases, in an amount equal to the price difference multiplied by the number of bitcoins you sold short.

Presumably you trust Bitcoinica to hold up its end of the deal, but they don't know you and don't trust you, so they require you to make a deposit which they deem more than enough to be able to cover your obligations. It may happen that when the price changes they are no longer confident your deposit is enough; they will then do a forced liquidation, settling the agreement up to this point and only allowing you to make a smaller agreement going forward.

The deposit can be in either BTC or USD. If you have BTC, however, you may want to consider first selling the BTC (which is functionally equivalent to taking a short position), which may be done cheaper than in Bitcoinica, and then short-sell on Bitcoinica.

An alternative view of short-selling is that you borrow bitcoins from Bitcoinica, offering a deposit as collateral, and then selling them. With Bitcoinica out of the picture for now, short-selling can be done by literally finding someone to borrow bitcoins from.

You can also learn more about [Margin trading](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_%28finance%29) in general on Wikipedia.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Technically, this isn't short selling bitcoins though as Bitcoinica's BTC/USD positions are contract-for-difference bets and not actual bitcoins.  You aren't technically borrowing and then selling bitcoins when you have a short BTC/USD position on Bitcoinica.  
> **username_4**: @username_1 if you already have the Bitcoins you want to short, you don't need a third party: you simply sell them, and buy them back when you see fit. The whole point of short-selling is selling something you don't have.  
> **username_3**: Another form of going short is to buy PUT options.  See MPEx: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx  
> **username_1**: @Lohoris: I already said that. The question wasn't whether he should take a short position on Bitcoinica with a BTC deposit, but whether he can.  
> **username_5**: @Lohoris: At bitcoinica you could short sell with leverage. You could sell a multiple of your margin, regardless if margin is held in BTC or USD.  
> **username_2**: After reading this answer, it's not entirely clear to me whether short-selling is actually possible. It looks like something similar but not identical happened here, but I'm a little fuzzy on the matter.  

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