<p>With an 8-digit PIN, the number of possible PIN combinations is 10^8 (100,000,000), ranging from <code>00000000</code> to <code>99999999</code>.</p>

<p>So you chance of just guessing the PIN correctly within three tries is about 1 in 33,333,333. So it is of course possible, but <strong>extremely</strong> unlikely.</p>

<p>Note that an attacker could perhaps increase their chances by eliminating some possibilities (eg, assume nobody would just choose 00000000 as their unlock PIN), and/or by making a more educated guess based on knowledge of the victim (eg their birthday is 19 Jan 1980, so try the PIN 19011980).</p>

<p>Entropy is often described in terms of bits. To find the total entropy, take the binary logarithm of the total number of combinations. This turns out to be 26.575 bits of entropy.</p>

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chytrik
<p>ledger has a  max. 8 number pin for unlocking it as far I know. </p>

<p>I am very interested, can someone say if (given any method/resources) it is in any scenario (except luck) possible to guess this 8 number pin within 3 tries? Because as i understand after 3rd try, the device resets. </p>

<p>Is this too hard or possible?</p>

<p>And if you know, could you calculate (or tell me how) the entropy for this case (8 random numbers, 3 tries)? </p>

<p>thanks</p>

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Ledger 8 pin number how hard in terms of entropy is it to guess?
johnsmiththelird
# Ledger 8 pin number how hard in terms of entropy is it to guess?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-01-15)

ledger has a max. 8 number pin for unlocking it as far I know.

I am very interested, can someone say if (given any method/resources) it is in any scenario (except luck) possible to guess this 8 number pin within 3 tries? Because as i understand after 3rd try, the device resets.

Is this too hard or possible?

And if you know, could you calculate (or tell me how) the entropy for this case (8 random numbers, 3 tries)?

thanks

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### Answer by username_1 on 2020-01-15. Score: 2

With an 8-digit PIN, the number of possible PIN combinations is 10^8 (100,000,000), ranging from `00000000` to `99999999`.

So you chance of just guessing the PIN correctly within three tries is about 1 in 33,333,333. So it is of course possible, but **extremely** unlikely.

Note that an attacker could perhaps increase their chances by eliminating some possibilities (eg, assume nobody would just choose 00000000 as their unlock PIN), and/or by making a more educated guess based on knowledge of the victim (eg their birthday is 19 Jan 1980, so try the PIN 19011980).

Entropy is often described in terms of bits. To find the total entropy, take the binary logarithm of the total number of combinations. This turns out to be 26.575 bits of entropy.


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