<p>What is the most successful method to automate circular rebalancing?</p>
<p>We have tried the Torq and the LNDG app but so far they both do not wotk for us so we are still performing manual circular rebalancing using RTL. Please can someone suggest a tutorial on how to use Torq and or LNDG or even another method?</p>
<p>Thank you. :)</p>
<p>Orange_Bonzo</p>

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2023-10-09T08:59:46.457Z
"circular rebalancing" these stuff really works?
vincenzopalazzo
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2023-10-09T10:04:09.107Z
Just In Time rebalancing makes sense if you don't hold on the HTLC for too long, it also makes it easier to reason about the benefit/risk of triggering a rebalance (since you only do so if it comes at a lower cost than what you'd get from forwarding the HTLC). It's not always possible though.
Antoine Poinsot
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2023-10-09T15:07:14.330Z
If you run lndmanagej by c-otto there are a bunch of tools and scripts for finding cheap offchain liquidity. But as antoine noted. JIT routing seems more reasonable
Rene Pickhardt
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2023-10-11T10:15:26.663Z
Hi Antoine,  Thank you for this information. Being somewhat of an adolescent newbie I am not familiar with "if you don't hold on the HTLC for too long" and also this "than what you'd get from forwarding the HTLC" We are using Umbrel and know what an HTLC is but do not know how it affeccts liquidity or how it can be used to gain more liquidity as oppsoed to a circular rebalance. Please forgive my ignorance as I have not seen this information on any of the websites I have studied or from forum posts I have received an answer too.  Thank you
Orange_Bitcoin
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2023-10-11T10:22:36.993Z
In answer to "vincenzopalazzo" Yes Vincenzo Circular Rebalancing really works and we use Ride The Lightning where 100k of sats at 125 PPM (Fee rate Rebalancing) almost always works especially if you have LNBig as one of the peers you are sourcing your sats from and the peer Nicehash also works and a few others too. When that does not work we sometimes use the percent type of rebalance in RTL where 0.25 percent mostly works and sometimes up to 500k of sats will go through successfully. Best of luck to you.
Orange_Bitcoin
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2023-10-11T10:30:26.367Z
Thank you Rene. We will try Carsten's lndmanagej script and see how that works. So is there any way to Automate the process of aquiring inbound liquidity that works and if not do you see any new tools being created in the future that will perform this function? Thank you for your input.
Orange_Bitcoin
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What is the most successful method to automate circular rebalancing?
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# What is the most successful method to automate circular rebalancing?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2023-10-09)

What is the most successful method to automate circular rebalancing?

We have tried the Torq and the LNDG app but so far they both do not wotk for us so we are still performing manual circular rebalancing using RTL. Please can someone suggest a tutorial on how to use Torq and or LNDG or even another method?

Thank you. :)

Orange\_Bonzo

**Tags:** lightning-network, network, nodes, lightning-network-daemon, lightning-routing

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: "circular rebalancing" these stuff really works?  
> **username_2**: Just In Time rebalancing makes sense if you don't hold on the HTLC for too long, it also makes it easier to reason about the benefit/risk of triggering a rebalance (since you only do so if it comes at a lower cost than what you'd get from forwarding the HTLC). It's not always possible though.  
> **username_3**: If you run lndmanagej by c-otto there are a bunch of tools and scripts for finding cheap offchain liquidity. But as username_2 noted. JIT routing seems more reasonable  
> **username_0**: Hi username_2,  Thank you for this information. Being somewhat of an adolescent newbie I am not familiar with "if you don't hold on the HTLC for too long" and also this "than what you'd get from forwarding the HTLC" We are using Umbrel and know what an HTLC is but do not know how it affeccts liquidity or how it can be used to gain more liquidity as oppsoed to a circular rebalance. Please forgive my ignorance as I have not seen this information on any of the websites I have studied or from forum posts I have received an answer too.  Thank you  
> **username_0**: In answer to "username_1" Yes Vincenzo Circular Rebalancing really works and we use Ride The Lightning where 100k of sats at 125 PPM (Fee rate Rebalancing) almost always works especially if you have LNBig as one of the peers you are sourcing your sats from and the peer Nicehash also works and a few others too. When that does not work we sometimes use the percent type of rebalance in RTL where 0.25 percent mostly works and sometimes up to 500k of sats will go through successfully. Best of luck to you.  
> **username_0**: Thank you username_3. We will try Carsten's lndmanagej script and see how that works. So is there any way to Automate the process of aquiring inbound liquidity that works and if not do you see any new tools being created in the future that will perform this function? Thank you for your input.  

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