<p>Bitcoin transactions are traceable, public and are recorded permanently. Although, there are some ways to minimize that, by not reusing addresses and have multiple wallets for different purposes. But even that is not foolproof because there are analysis services that can group addresses through data crunching.</p>

<p>Now imagine you get coins from someone that got them from someone, etc. Nothing wrong with that right? Unless, those coins are part of a bunch that were hacked from an exchange or traced back to a payment for some illegal activity.  And some exchanges start blacklisting them.</p>

<p>A mixing service tries to remove that linkability/traceability.</p>

<p>IMO you would be better off just using a crypto currency with unlinkability and untraceability built into the protocol in way of a mixer.</p>

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To expand on this, it is possible that markets may form that trade those bitcoins with "bad history" at a discount. Thus, different bitcoins could have different value, based on their origin. There was already a company buying directly from miners (and thus clean history) and selling them at a premium to the normal bitcoin rate. From there, it becomes difficult consider bitcoin to be a currency, as it behaves more like a non fungible barter token (ie, I sell you this item for 4 oxen, but not this ox here, it looks anemic). The point of currencym fungibility, is lost with the ability to trace.
user36303
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2016-06-21T14:30:08.540Z
For the record, US dollars aren't 100% fungible either.  Anyone who has ever tried to put a crumpled bill in a vending machine knows this firsthand.  In the financial world, underwriters for FHA loans look into where down payment money comes from, and will reject money from certain sources (for example, financial aid).
Jestin
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2016-06-21T15:34:14.613Z
Saying one would be better off using a different currency is irrelevant to the question, and not likely to be useful advice anyway since more often than not the market dictates the currency that must be used.
Carey Gregory
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2016-06-21T15:36:19.717Z
@Carey, I agree.  That's my only real misgiving with this answer.  It feels both irrelevant and like poor advice.
Jestin
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2016-06-21T16:59:38.703Z
The idea was hoping on and off the alternative crypto currency instead of using the mixers. Not instead of Bitcoin. Of course you should also be careful doing that to avoid amount or timing correlations, for example.
Papa Lazzarou
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Papa Lazzarou
<p>What is the difference if I'm using bitcoins that were given me by somebody I sold product to, or by some mixing bitcoin service?</p>

<p>After all, aren't I using those bitcoin at the same place and ordering what I want with the same name and address?</p>

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What is bitcoin mixing/laundering for?
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# What is bitcoin mixing/laundering for?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-06-21)

What is the difference if I'm using bitcoins that were given me by somebody I sold product to, or by some mixing bitcoin service?

After all, aren't I using those bitcoin at the same place and ordering what I want with the same name and address?

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### Answer by username_1 on 2016-06-21. Score: 7

Bitcoin transactions are traceable, public and are recorded permanently. Although, there are some ways to minimize that, by not reusing addresses and have multiple wallets for different purposes. But even that is not foolproof because there are analysis services that can group addresses through data crunching.

Now imagine you get coins from someone that got them from someone, etc. Nothing wrong with that right? Unless, those coins are part of a bunch that were hacked from an exchange or traced back to a payment for some illegal activity. And some exchanges start blacklisting them.

A mixing service tries to remove that linkability/traceability.

IMO you would be better off just using a crypto currency with unlinkability and untraceability built into the protocol in way of a mixer.

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: To expand on this, it is possible that markets may form that trade those bitcoins with "bad history" at a discount. Thus, different bitcoins could have different value, based on their origin. There was already a company buying directly from miners (and thus clean history) and selling them at a premium to the normal bitcoin rate. From there, it becomes difficult consider bitcoin to be a currency, as it behaves more like a non fungible barter token (ie, I sell you this item for 4 oxen, but not this ox here, it looks anemic). The point of currencym fungibility, is lost with the ability to trace.  
> **username_3**: For the record, US dollars aren't 100% fungible either.  Anyone who has ever tried to put a crumpled bill in a vending machine knows this firsthand.  In the financial world, underwriters for FHA loans look into where down payment money comes from, and will reject money from certain sources (for example, financial aid).  
> **username_4**: Saying one would be better off using a different currency is irrelevant to the question, and not likely to be useful advice anyway since more often than not the market dictates the currency that must be used.  
> **username_3**: @username_4, I agree.  That's my only real misgiving with this answer.  It feels both irrelevant and like poor advice.  
> **username_1**: The idea was hoping on and off the alternative crypto currency instead of using the mixers. Not instead of Bitcoin. Of course you should also be careful doing that to avoid amount or timing correlations, for example.  

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