<p>Looks like CampBX will have it coming as well, see their <a href="https://campbx.com/faq.php" rel="nofollow">FAQ for more info.</a></p>

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2011-08-31T10:45:36.020Z
They wrote in the bitcointalk forums that they were waiting until they reached a certain volume level (at least 1000 coins/day) to enable this feature.
nmat
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2011-08-31T06:54:09.303Z
2011-08-31T06:54:09.303Z
tysat
<p>[Bitcoinica has closed]</p>

<p>You can do short selling and margin trading on <a href="https://www.bitcoinica.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.bitcoinica.com</a>. The initial deposit is very low. In fact, I was able to start trading immediately by depositing $5 in the form of MtGox USD redeemable code. You are then given some kind of loan so that you'll get a Tradeable Balance that is 5 times the amount of your deposit. You should keep an eye on your Net Value and watch out for a margin call. See "What's your Margin Call Policy?" in their <a href="https://www.bitcoinica.com/pages/faq" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a>. </p>

<p>Bitcoinica is more like a forex brokerage than your usual bitcoin exchange. Besides accepting orders from the users, they also trade with the other exchanges, primarily Mt Gox.</p>

<p>EDIT: Bitcoinica now supports deposit and withrawal of bitcoins.</p>

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2011-09-10T18:41:59.827Z
Anyone who's thinking of using Bitcoinica should be cautious.  [This discussion](http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2973301) about it is worth reading.
xyz
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2011-09-10T11:39:45.340Z
2013-03-20T05:08:02.207Z
2013-03-20T05:08:02.207Z
bastabob
<p>The short answer is "yes", (eg <a href="http://mpex.co/">http://mpex.co/</a>). The long answer is "not really, and for some really fundamental reasons". Here's the long answer.</p>

<p>The various schemes that have been implemented or discussed for selling short BTC face the problem of credit risk. The short seller of an asset faces the possibility of arbitrarily large losses (the long side can only lose his investment). Ditto for the seller of an option (put or call). </p>

<p>The financial system deals with this by requiring the short to post initial margin, and top it up with variation margin if he loses money. If he fails to do that, or if the market moves so quickly that he can't, the broker who lent him the stock assumes the risk and tries to close out the position (possibly at a loss to the broker). The mechanism is slightly different with futures and options on futures, but the point is the same: someone takes on the risk of the trader holding a position that can suffer arbitrarily large losses (short seller, short options position, etc) to make sure that the other side of the trade is made whole. If your long put position, for example, fails to provide the payoff profile when the market crashes because the guy who sold you the put went bankrupt.. well, the contract hasn't really fulfilled its function.</p>

<p>The mechanism for doing this is financial intermediaries--brokers, exchanges, clearing houses--and <em>legal recourse</em>. The intermediary has a claim on the short's assets beyond his margin and can sue him. The long has a claim on the intermediary's assets, and if the intermediary fails, well, the taxpayer steps in and makes him whole (e.g., Treasury's bailout of AIG's short CDS positions vis-a-vis the major wall st. investment banks). What gives these contracts liquidity is the belief that the payoff logic will be honored regardless of the credit risk of the counter-parties. </p>

<p>But legal recourse is antithetical to the whole bitcoin philosophy, so I would argue that those trying to re-create these inherently leveraged contracts of the financial system in bitcoin land are trying to square the circle. Now you might say, "we can re-create the same without law and intermediaries, the short's counter-party takes the risk", but that would miss the point. A call option that only pays the long intrinsic value up to the short's margin is no longer a call option but something else; a stock loan market that leaves the guy lending btc to the short-seller with a loss because btc rallied hard and the short walked away from the trade is no longer stock loan but a highly risky trade. Call it what you will, but these contract's cannot really serve the same function in bitcoin land that they serve in the regulated financial system. Perhaps that is a feature, not a bug ;)</p>

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2013-04-10T10:14:46.430Z
2013-04-10T10:14:46.430Z
paralogical
<p>[HelloBitcoin has closed]</p>

<p>The first exchange to offer buying on margin or shorting is: <a href="http://www.HelloBitcoin.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.HelloBitcoin.com</a> </p>

<p>The requirements for shorting is the same as with stocks, a $2K balance.</p>

<p>They do not yet have enough orders and the spreads between the bids and asks are wide yet.</p>

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2011-09-01T22:37:52.940Z
2013-03-20T05:08:23.377Z
2013-03-20T05:08:23.377Z
Stephen Gornick
<p>[MtGox is shut down]</p>

<p>MtGox has Options <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1T8r8ctblE8J:https://mtgox.com/%20%22options%22%20site:mtgox.com&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;source=www.google.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer">listed</a> as Coming Soon, that might be a <a href="http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/05/shortvsput.asp#axzz1WaKqRwrG" rel="nofollow noreferrer">substitute</a> for short.</p>

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2011-08-31T06:29:58.543Z
2018-08-31T19:46:23.127Z
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Serith
<p>I doubt such put options will ever become a very liquid and deep market, because <em>if they were</em>, someone could in theory sell puts to go <a href="https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4254/could-bitcoin-be-destroyed-if-an-entity-cornered-the-market/8632#8632">destroy the market value via volatility manipulation</a> or buy the <a href="https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/8606/would-bitcoin-be-destroyed-if-a-wealthy-organization-obtained-a-cpu-majority-for/8633#8633">necessary Proof-of-Work control</a>, both with the intention to destroy the value and interest in Bitcoin, and then collect profits on the put options.</p>

<p>Otherwise, and if they did not add incredible instability in the form of risk (see my comments under David's Schwartz's answer), then they could be helpful in smoothing out the volatility of the value of Bitcoins. Because some longs would hedge their positions as they got nervous at nosebleed levels, and this provides liquidity if a crash occurs, because they take profits on the puts and repurchase coins at a lower price, possibly hedging those new purchases with new puts.</p>

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2013-03-23T21:34:12.693Z
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2017-04-13T12:47:33.660Z
Shelby Moore III
<p><a href="https://coinut.com" rel="nofollow">Coinut</a> is now offering Bitcoin PUT options settled by Bitcoins. You can trade either binary or vanilla options. It is now the only functioning Bitcoin options exchange. </p>

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2015-03-06T04:35:06.223Z
2015-03-06T04:35:06.223Z
Wang Xinxi
<p>BitShrub.com is a "Bitcoin Option Market"  [BitShrub has closed down]</p>

<p>The Calls and Puts can be sold or bought with other traders. The Option model is similar to traditional options, but with pricing in Bitcoin relative to the underlying fiat currency the option is written on.</p>

<p>The PUT option mechanics is explained here <a href="https://secure.bitshrub.com/support/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://secure.bitshrub.com/support/</a></p>

<p>You can also go short by selling a Call option, but the risk graph is very different when compared to buying a Put Option.</p>

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2014-01-13T16:25:06.200Z
2018-08-31T19:49:24.623Z
2018-08-31T19:49:24.623Z
Garno5440
<p>MPEX has the <a href="http://mpex.co" rel="nofollow">MPOE</a> (options exchange) in which CALLs may be written or bought, and PUTs which may be sold or bought.  There is a barrier to entry in the one-time exchange registration fee.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.icbit.se" rel="nofollow">ICBit</a> offers trading of futures contracts, but those are not CALL or PUT options.</p>

<p><a href="http://coinsetter.com" rel="nofollow">CoinSetter</a> might be the first U.S. exchange to offer options when it launches (expected Spring 2013).</p>

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2013-03-20T05:12:40.910Z
2013-03-22T00:33:01.600Z
2013-03-22T00:33:01.600Z
Stephen Gornick
<p>Not only will Bitcoins soon be able to be sold short through several exchanges, but once that service is available, Bitcoin banks that pay interest will be possible.</p>

<p>A Bitcoin bank could pay interest on Bitcoin deposits by converting the Bitcoins into the least inflationary national currency available, investing those funds in loans or businesses, and using the profits to buy back more Bitcoins later to pay back depositors.</p>

<p>However, this plan has one flaw -- what if the price of Bitcoins goes way up, beyond the interest you can collect. You would then take a loss when you purchased back Bitcoins to pay back your depositors.</p>

<p>Normally, you would offset this risk by holding Bitcoins. But that would defeat the entire point of investing them. So you need some way to make money and risk money as if you were holding Bitcoins without actually holding any bitcoins. How can you do that?</p>

<p>And the answer is, you offset the risk that Bitcoins will go up in value by <em>selling</em> shorts. Selling shorts is like holding Bitcoins without having to actually hold them, allowing you to make money if they go up and lose money if they go down just like someone holding Bitcoins would. If Bitcoins go down, you lose on the shorts but make it up by making extra profits when you buy back Bitcoins to pay depositors. If Bitcoins go up, you lose when you buy back Bitcoins, but make it up on the shorts.</p>

<p>With the right combination of shorts, currencies, and investments, this should make the risk associated with interest-bearing bank accounts denominated in Bitcoins no greater than the risk with other currencies. (And if you sell the shorts directly to investors, you can make a profit on them as well, taking the commissions.)</p>

<p>It is entirely possible that this is part of the reason the exchanges are considering selling shorts. Not only would they pocket the commissions, but they could safely convert a fraction of the many, many Bitcoins they're holding into interest-bearing accounts denominated in national currencies, pocketing the interest.</p>

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2013-03-23T21:21:32.547Z
@DavidSchwartz incorrect. Jürgen Strobel is correct. If coins go up and the short seller can't pay, the bank can't repurchase the coins, the customer has to default on any of his obligations and along the dominoes chain. And then add leverage and it really becomes "weapons of mass destruction" as Warren Buffett said. Promising a futures contract (even in the form of interest) always adds risk. Most people can't grasp that [even insurance is always more risky](http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Demise%20of%20Finance,%20Rise%20of%20Knowledge.html#StoringIdleSavings).
Shelby Moore III
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2013-03-23T21:27:00.570Z
@DavidSchwartz also the put is sold by the short to the long, so the long bank is paying cash, not receiving cash. The seller of the put has an obligation to buy the asset at the higher price.
Shelby Moore III
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2011-09-23T20:32:57.890Z
I doubt there is a "right" combination to short sell and avoid the inherent risk. It doesn't matter how you try to hide it behind complicated constructs. A lesson which should be well learned nowadays.
Jürgen Strobel
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2011-10-19T12:48:02.427Z
@JürgenStrobel.  Options don't need to increase risk they can be used to reduce risk.  David isn't indicating there is a free lunch.  If you use options to hedge your posistion then you are immune to falling bitcoin prices but you also don't gain on rising bitcoin prices.  While options CAN be used to increase profits, leverage, and risk they can also be used conservatively to minimize profits, leverage, and risk. In essence you are trading potential upside profit for reduced downside losses.   Very viable strategy and done everyday to hedge posistions.
DeathAndTaxes
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2011-10-19T13:30:55.153Z
I agree this would allow the exchanges to sell some risk to investors, but the risk doesn't go away completely, because can they collect from all investors? This is exactly the pyramid game working fine a long time, but causing the whole building to fall when enough investors fall causing a cascade of uncollectable debt.
Jürgen Strobel
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2011-10-19T17:11:07.913Z
They can collect from all investors because the investors buy the options for cash in the first place. Zero risk is not possible, but you can bring the risk low enough that the profits on both sides make it worth doing. (That's why banks borrow money and use it to make loans.)
David Schwartz
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2011-08-31T10:36:37.040Z
Interesting. Do you know if there any legal limitations on this?
nmat
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2011-08-31T10:41:47.517Z
There are none that I know of, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were any number of laws intended to regulate different things that this sort of arrangement could be argued to violate. (Whenever someone says "There ought to be a law!", I always reply, "There's probably at least 10.")
David Schwartz
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2011-08-31T10:07:52.920Z
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David Schwartz
<p>Borrowing an asset and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_%28finance%29">"selling it short"</a> facilitates finding the appropriate price for the asset, allowing people to bet that the asset is overpriced (e.g. in a "bubble").  Can bitcoins be sold short?  Where and how?</p>

<p><em>Update</em> (from Serith's answer): how about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_option">put options</a>, which are similar?</p>

<exchanges><options>
Can bitcoins be "sold short"?  Or are there "put" options?
nealmcb
# Can bitcoins be "sold short"?  Or are there "put" options?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2011-08-31)

Borrowing an asset and ["selling it short"](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_%28finance%29) facilitates finding the appropriate price for the asset, allowing people to bet that the asset is overpriced (e.g. in a "bubble"). Can bitcoins be sold short? Where and how?

*Update* (from username_7's answer): how about [put options](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_option), which are similar?

**Tags:** exchanges, options


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## 10 answers

### Answer by username_11 on 2011-08-31. Score: 18 | Accepted answer

Not only will Bitcoins soon be able to be sold short through several exchanges, but once that service is available, Bitcoin banks that pay interest will be possible.

A Bitcoin bank could pay interest on Bitcoin deposits by converting the Bitcoins into the least inflationary national currency available, investing those funds in loans or businesses, and using the profits to buy back more Bitcoins later to pay back depositors.

However, this plan has one flaw -- what if the price of Bitcoins goes way up, beyond the interest you can collect. You would then take a loss when you purchased back Bitcoins to pay back your depositors.

Normally, you would offset this risk by holding Bitcoins. But that would defeat the entire point of investing them. So you need some way to make money and risk money as if you were holding Bitcoins without actually holding any bitcoins. How can you do that?

And the answer is, you offset the risk that Bitcoins will go up in value by *selling* shorts. Selling shorts is like holding Bitcoins without having to actually hold them, allowing you to make money if they go up and lose money if they go down just like someone holding Bitcoins would. If Bitcoins go down, you lose on the shorts but make it up by making extra profits when you buy back Bitcoins to pay depositors. If Bitcoins go up, you lose when you buy back Bitcoins, but make it up on the shorts.

With the right combination of shorts, currencies, and investments, this should make the risk associated with interest-bearing bank accounts denominated in Bitcoins no greater than the risk with other currencies. (And if you sell the shorts directly to investors, you can make a profit on them as well, taking the commissions.)

It is entirely possible that this is part of the reason the exchanges are considering selling shorts. Not only would they pocket the commissions, but they could safely convert a fraction of the many, many Bitcoins they're holding into interest-bearing accounts denominated in national currencies, pocketing the interest.

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: Interesting. Do you know if there any legal limitations on this?  
> **username_11**: There are none that I know of, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were any number of laws intended to regulate different things that this sort of arrangement could be argued to violate. (Whenever someone says "There ought to be a law!", I always reply, "There's probably at least 10.")  
> **username_12**: I doubt there is a "right" combination to short sell and avoid the inherent risk. It doesn't matter how you try to hide it behind complicated constructs. A lesson which should be well learned nowadays.  
> **username_13**: @username_12.  Options don't need to increase risk they can be used to reduce risk.  username_11 isn't indicating there is a free lunch.  If you use options to hedge your posistion then you are immune to falling bitcoin prices but you also don't gain on rising bitcoin prices.  While options CAN be used to increase profits, leverage, and risk they can also be used conservatively to minimize profits, leverage, and risk. In essence you are trading potential upside profit for reduced downside losses.   Very viable strategy and done everyday to hedge posistions.  
> **username_12**: I agree this would allow the exchanges to sell some risk to investors, but the risk doesn't go away completely, because can they collect from all investors? This is exactly the pyramid game working fine a long time, but causing the whole building to fall when enough investors fall causing a cascade of uncollectable debt.  
> **username_11**: They can collect from all investors because the investors buy the options for cash in the first place. Zero risk is not possible, but you can bring the risk low enough that the profits on both sides make it worth doing. (That's why banks borrow money and use it to make loans.)  
> **username_8**: @username_11 incorrect. username_12 username_12 is correct. If coins go up and the short seller can't pay, the bank can't repurchase the coins, the customer has to default on any of his obligations and along the dominoes chain. And then add leverage and it really becomes "weapons of mass destruction" as Warren Buffett said. Promising a futures contract (even in the form of interest) always adds risk. Most people can't grasp that [even insurance is always more risky](http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/username_8/Demise%20of%20Finance,%20Rise%20of%20Knowledge.html#StoringIdleSavings).  
> **username_8**: @username_11 also the put is sold by the short to the long, so the long bank is paying cash, not receiving cash. The seller of the put has an obligation to buy the asset at the higher price.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2011-08-31. Score: 6

Looks like CampBX will have it coming as well, see their [FAQ for more info.](https://campbx.com/faq.php)

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: They wrote in the bitcointalk forums that they were waiting until they reached a certain volume level (at least 1000 coins/day) to enable this feature.  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2011-09-10. Score: 5

[Bitcoinica has closed]

You can do short selling and margin trading on <https://www.bitcoinica.com>. The initial deposit is very low. In fact, I was able to start trading immediately by depositing $5 in the form of MtGox USD redeemable code. You are then given some kind of loan so that you'll get a Tradeable Balance that is 5 times the amount of your deposit. You should keep an eye on your Net Value and watch out for a margin call. See "What's your Margin Call Policy?" in their [FAQ](https://www.bitcoinica.com/pages/faq).

Bitcoinica is more like a forex brokerage than your usual bitcoin exchange. Besides accepting orders from the users, they also trade with the other exchanges, primarily Mt Gox.

EDIT: Bitcoinica now supports deposit and withrawal of bitcoins.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: Anyone who's thinking of using Bitcoinica should be cautious.  [This discussion](http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2973301) about it is worth reading.  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2013-04-10. Score: 4

The short answer is "yes", (eg <http://mpex.co/>). The long answer is "not really, and for some really fundamental reasons". Here's the long answer.

The various schemes that have been implemented or discussed for selling short BTC face the problem of credit risk. The short seller of an asset faces the possibility of arbitrarily large losses (the long side can only lose his investment). Ditto for the seller of an option (put or call).

The financial system deals with this by requiring the short to post initial margin, and top it up with variation margin if he loses money. If he fails to do that, or if the market moves so quickly that he can't, the broker who lent him the stock assumes the risk and tries to close out the position (possibly at a loss to the broker). The mechanism is slightly different with futures and options on futures, but the point is the same: someone takes on the risk of the trader holding a position that can suffer arbitrarily large losses (short seller, short options position, etc) to make sure that the other side of the trade is made whole. If your long put position, for example, fails to provide the payoff profile when the market crashes because the guy who sold you the put went bankrupt.. well, the contract hasn't really fulfilled its function.

The mechanism for doing this is financial intermediaries--brokers, exchanges, clearing houses--and *legal recourse*. The intermediary has a claim on the short's assets beyond his margin and can sue him. The long has a claim on the intermediary's assets, and if the intermediary fails, well, the taxpayer steps in and makes him whole (e.g., Treasury's bailout of AIG's short CDS positions vis-a-vis the major wall st. investment banks). What gives these contracts liquidity is the belief that the payoff logic will be honored regardless of the credit risk of the counter-parties.

But legal recourse is antithetical to the whole bitcoin philosophy, so I would argue that those trying to re-create these inherently leveraged contracts of the financial system in bitcoin land are trying to square the circle. Now you might say, "we can re-create the same without law and intermediaries, the short's counter-party takes the risk", but that would miss the point. A call option that only pays the long intrinsic value up to the short's margin is no longer a call option but something else; a stock loan market that leaves the guy lending btc to the short-seller with a loss because btc rallied hard and the short walked away from the trade is no longer stock loan but a highly risky trade. Call it what you will, but these contract's cannot really serve the same function in bitcoin land that they serve in the regulated financial system. Perhaps that is a feature, not a bug ;)


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### Answer by username_6 on 2011-09-01. Score: 2

[HelloBitcoin has closed]

The first exchange to offer buying on margin or shorting is: <http://www.HelloBitcoin.com>

The requirements for shorting is the same as with stocks, a $2K balance.

They do not yet have enough orders and the spreads between the bids and asks are wide yet.


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### Answer by username_7 on 2011-08-31. Score: 1

[MtGox is shut down]

MtGox has Options [listed](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1T8r8ctblE8J:https://mtgox.com/%20%22options%22%20site:mtgox.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com) as Coming Soon, that might be a [substitute](http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/05/shortvsput.asp#axzz1WaKqRwrG) for short.


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### Answer by username_8 on 2013-03-23. Score: 1

I doubt such put options will ever become a very liquid and deep market, because *if they were*, someone could in theory sell puts to go [destroy the market value via volatility manipulation](https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4254/could-bitcoin-be-destroyed-if-an-entity-cornered-the-market/8632#8632) or buy the [necessary Proof-of-Work control](https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/8606/would-bitcoin-be-destroyed-if-a-wealthy-organization-obtained-a-cpu-majority-for/8633#8633), both with the intention to destroy the value and interest in Bitcoin, and then collect profits on the put options.

Otherwise, and if they did not add incredible instability in the form of risk (see my comments under username_11's username_11's answer), then they could be helpful in smoothing out the volatility of the value of Bitcoins. Because some longs would hedge their positions as they got nervous at nosebleed levels, and this provides liquidity if a crash occurs, because they take profits on the puts and repurchase coins at a lower price, possibly hedging those new purchases with new puts.


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### Answer by username_9 on 2015-03-06. Score: 1

[Coinut](https://coinut.com) is now offering Bitcoin PUT options settled by Bitcoins. You can trade either binary or vanilla options. It is now the only functioning Bitcoin options exchange.


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### Answer by username_10 on 2014-01-13. Score: 0

BitShrub.com is a "Bitcoin Option Market" [BitShrub has closed down]

The Calls and Puts can be sold or bought with other traders. The Option model is similar to traditional options, but with pricing in Bitcoin relative to the underlying fiat currency the option is written on.

The PUT option mechanics is explained here <https://secure.bitshrub.com/support/>

You can also go short by selling a Call option, but the risk graph is very different when compared to buying a Put Option.


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### Answer by username_6 on 2013-03-20. Score: -1

MPEX has the [MPOE](http://mpex.co) (options exchange) in which CALLs may be written or bought, and PUTs which may be sold or bought. There is a barrier to entry in the one-time exchange registration fee.

[ICBit](http://www.icbit.se) offers trading of futures contracts, but those are not CALL or PUT options.

[CoinSetter](http://coinsetter.com) might be the first U.S. exchange to offer options when it launches (expected Spring 2013).


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