<p>Yes, there is.</p>

<p>People who trade currencies (or commodities, for that matter) broadly belong to two groups - those who actually need to convert one thing to another; and those who hope to buy low and sell high for profit.</p>

<p>In Bitcoin's case, typical examples of the first group are an individual who receives his salary in USD, and converts the USD for BTC to use it; and a business which receives payment in Bitcoin, and converts to USD to pay its suppliers. In both cases, economic value is created by enjoying Bitcoin's advantages; and in both cases, trading BTC/USD was needed to allow activity that would be impossible or less efficient without trading.</p>

<p>The second group is simply people who trade BTC/USD for profit, and often come out with the same currency with which they went in. To be successful, they need to buy low and sell high - and if they manage to do that, they are actually providing a service to the first group. Since buying drives the price up and selling drives the price down, buying low and selling high keeps the price stable at some midrange. This makes the price more stable, and reduces slippage costs, thus making the usage of the currency more efficient. So they are also creating economic value by making it easier to use the currency for commerce.</p>

<p>This is true even over long periods of time. A Hodler who buys a bitcoin for $1, and only sells decades later when the price is $1M, is helping the economy by giving the currency a push when it is nascent and underappreciated, and only realizing her gains once Bitcoin has reached its potential.</p>

<p>Of course, a dumb or unlucky trader can buy high and sell low; in this case, he is actually adding volatility to the price, and creating economic harm. But he will also take a loss himself if he does that. As long as the trader is making a profit, she is creating economic value.</p>

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2019-08-11T11:26:13.060Z
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Meni Rosenfeld
<p>No there is no economic value, exactly like when trading any other currency.</p>

<p>There lies some kind of value in declaring trust in a currency, or the legal entity that stays behind a currency. However, with bitcoin the trust is shared among the participants. So with, investing, you declare your trust in the existing participants. But besides that trust, there is no value.</p>

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2017-11-16T21:39:20.073Z
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nulldev
<p>When you have a medium to transfer money without any intermediary, which is deflationary, secure and kinda anonymous, the demand for it is obviously gonna go up. </p>

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2017-11-16T20:44:47.987Z
Until something better comes along, or its usefulness otherwise decreases, in which case the demand will go down...
Highly Irregular
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user64799
<p>When you invest in a stock, you're helping the company to raise capital.</p>

<p>It seems like trading crypto currency is nothing more than putting money into a pool (market cap) and trying to predict when other people will put more money into the pool. No economic productivity happens here except for money changing hands. Is there actual any value in trading coins or is it just money changing hands?</p>

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2017-11-16T16:14:41.747Z
When I buy a share of stock, I typically buy it from someone else, not from the company.  Unless the company itself is the one selling me the shares (as in an IPO), they don't see a dime from the trade. Trading stock generally does not help the company raise capital.
Nuclear Hoagie
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Is there actual economic value in trading crypto currency?
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# Is there actual economic value in trading crypto currency?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-11-16)

When you invest in a stock, you're helping the company to raise capital.

It seems like trading crypto currency is nothing more than putting money into a pool (market cap) and trying to predict when other people will put more money into the pool. No economic productivity happens here except for money changing hands. Is there actual any value in trading coins or is it just money changing hands?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: When I buy a share of stock, I typically buy it from someone else, not from the company.  Unless the company itself is the one selling me the shares (as in an IPO), they don't see a dime from the trade. Trading stock generally does not help the company raise capital.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2019-08-11. Score: 1

Yes, there is.

People who trade currencies (or commodities, for that matter) broadly belong to two groups - those who actually need to convert one thing to another; and those who hope to buy low and sell high for profit.

In Bitcoin's case, typical examples of the first group are an individual who receives his salary in USD, and converts the USD for BTC to use it; and a business which receives payment in Bitcoin, and converts to USD to pay its suppliers. In both cases, economic value is created by enjoying Bitcoin's advantages; and in both cases, trading BTC/USD was needed to allow activity that would be impossible or less efficient without trading.

The second group is simply people who trade BTC/USD for profit, and often come out with the same currency with which they went in. To be successful, they need to buy low and sell high - and if they manage to do that, they are actually providing a service to the first group. Since buying drives the price up and selling drives the price down, buying low and selling high keeps the price stable at some midrange. This makes the price more stable, and reduces slippage costs, thus making the usage of the currency more efficient. So they are also creating economic value by making it easier to use the currency for commerce.

This is true even over long periods of time. A Hodler who buys a bitcoin for $1, and only sells decades later when the price is $1M, is helping the economy by giving the currency a push when it is nascent and underappreciated, and only realizing her gains once Bitcoin has reached its potential.

Of course, a dumb or unlucky trader can buy high and sell low; in this case, he is actually adding volatility to the price, and creating economic harm. But he will also take a loss himself if he does that. As long as the trader is making a profit, she is creating economic value.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2017-11-16. Score: 0

No there is no economic value, exactly like when trading any other currency.

There lies some kind of value in declaring trust in a currency, or the legal entity that stays behind a currency. However, with bitcoin the trust is shared among the participants. So with, investing, you declare your trust in the existing participants. But besides that trust, there is no value.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2017-11-16. Score: 0

When you have a medium to transfer money without any intermediary, which is deflationary, secure and kinda anonymous, the demand for it is obviously gonna go up.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: Until something better comes along, or its usefulness otherwise decreases, in which case the demand will go down...  

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