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<p><strong>but is it safe to say my portfolio is lost if the developers don't restore the program</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>We can categorise wallets into two major types</p>
<ul>
<li>Custodial</li>
<li>Non-custodial</li>
</ul>
<p>A Custodial wallet is where some business controls the money in the wallet. they have the keys that control the money in the Bitcoin Blockchain, you don't. This is a bit like having an IOU instead of money. It is a bit like having an account at an unregulated bank rather than having cash in your pocket. The business is the custodian. If the custodian stops performing customers requests or goes out of business or stops responding to support messages, you have no recourse but to law. This is why it is important to research the business before giving it money.</p>
<p>A non-custodial wallet (sometimes called self-custodial) is where there is no  custodian, no business who holds money. You control your money directly yourself. You run software on your own device that holds the private-keys on that device and which has very little or preferably no dependence on the developer's website or other services. This is the way Bitcoin was originally designed to work. No trusted third parties between you and the other party to a transaction. This is usually regarded as safer. In this case if the wallet developer is no longer available or if the wallet app stops working you can just transfer your private-keys to a different software wallet and carry on without losing any money.</p>
<p>So in conclusion, if the app is non-custodial, if app stops working your money is still safe (so long as you made backups of wallet and keys or recovery-phrase/seed-phrase). If the app is custodial, your money may be in peril.</p>
<hr />
<p>Related</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/98743/13866">How to tell if a cryptocurrency exchange or trading platform is trustworthy?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/81240/13866">What kinds of wallets are there?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/103688/13866">I have lost my wallet, what can I do?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/105372/13866">if the hardware wallet company ledger goes out of business, what will happen to my crypto asset / private keys in ledger?</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<p>The above answer is intended to be a general answer for all questions of a similar nature. However we can look at a specific instance.</p>
<p>Example: &quot;Bitcoin Wallet&quot; app by Coinbox Inc.</p>
<ul>
<li>Website broken.</li>
<li>App not available for any of my devices.</li>
<li>Generally bad recent reviews in the app store.</li>
<li>app store ID is com.polehin.android. polehin.com redirects to coinbox.org. <a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216368.0" rel="nofollow noreferrer">polehin wallet has discussion suggesting deceptive/untrustworthy</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP_C4wZyikk" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Review on Youtube shows evidence of deceptive software</a>. App suggests it is non-custodial but isn't.</li>
<li>The only &quot;Coinbox Inc&quot; I found was a <a href="https://www.companiesofcanada.com/company/750976-6/coinbox-inc" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Canadian business dissolved for non-compliance</a>.</li>
</ul>
<p>If the Youtube review is correct, your money has been stolen.</p>

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RedGrittyBrick
<p>I do got a link for install the coinbox which was send by the support team of coinbox as l do encounter same problem quite a few years ago. The coinbox app is available in google play store but unfortunately searching cannot search for it. Reason unknown. Below is the link in google play store. Hope it helps.</p>
<p><a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.polehin.android" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.polehin.android</a></p>
<p>Below is the support page for coinbox
<a href="https://coinbox.org/support.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://coinbox.org/support.html</a></p>

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Maybe try directly with the APK:  https://www.apkmonk.com/app/com.polehin.android/ 
Of course never install from sources you don't fully trust.
Enrico
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2024-01-10T10:52:33.743Z
Jerry
<p>I've held some cash in an app called Coinbox, by Coinbox Inc. (1m+ users according to Google Play) and wanted to transfer it today. It seemed to have lost its functionality, so I uninstalled and reinstalled with the hope that would solve the problem.</p>
<p>Unfortunately now it has suddenly ceased to exist on Play and I have not had a response to my support ticket to the developers. I've also tried installing old apks of the app on my android phone and they don't connect or won't install.</p>
<p>I have my passphrase and QR of the account and even have some screenshot of when it was installed but is it safe to say my portfolio is lost if the developers don't restore the program or respond to my messages?</p>

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2021-08-31T11:15:31.207Z
See https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/108287/13866
RedGrittyBrick
<android>
Wallet app disappeared from app store, is my money gone?
Zda
# Wallet app disappeared from app store, is my money gone?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-08-31)

I've held some cash in an app called Coinbox, by Coinbox Inc. (1m+ users according to Google Play) and wanted to transfer it today. It seemed to have lost its functionality, so I uninstalled and reinstalled with the hope that would solve the problem.

Unfortunately now it has suddenly ceased to exist on Play and I have not had a response to my support ticket to the developers. I've also tried installing old apks of the app on my android phone and they don't connect or won't install.

I have my passphrase and QR of the account and even have some screenshot of when it was installed but is it safe to say my portfolio is lost if the developers don't restore the program or respond to my messages?

**Tags:** android

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: See https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/108287/13866  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2021-08-31. Score: 2

> **but is it safe to say my portfolio is lost if the developers don't restore the program**

We can categorise wallets into two major types

* Custodial
* Non-custodial

A Custodial wallet is where some business controls the money in the wallet. they have the keys that control the money in the Bitcoin Blockchain, you don't. This is a bit like having an IOU instead of money. It is a bit like having an account at an unregulated bank rather than having cash in your pocket. The business is the custodian. If the custodian stops performing customers requests or goes out of business or stops responding to support messages, you have no recourse but to law. This is why it is important to research the business before giving it money.

A non-custodial wallet (sometimes called self-custodial) is where there is no custodian, no business who holds money. You control your money directly yourself. You run software on your own device that holds the private-keys on that device and which has very little or preferably no dependence on the developer's website or other services. This is the way Bitcoin was originally designed to work. No trusted third parties between you and the other party to a transaction. This is usually regarded as safer. In this case if the wallet developer is no longer available or if the wallet app stops working you can just transfer your private-keys to a different software wallet and carry on without losing any money.

So in conclusion, if the app is non-custodial, if app stops working your money is still safe (so long as you made backups of wallet and keys or recovery-phrase/seed-phrase). If the app is custodial, your money may be in peril.

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Related

* [How to tell if a cryptocurrency exchange or trading platform is trustworthy?](https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/98743/13866)
* [What kinds of wallets are there?](https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/81240/13866)
* [I have lost my wallet, what can I do?](https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/103688/13866)
* [if the hardware wallet company ledger goes out of business, what will happen to my crypto asset / private keys in ledger?](https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/105372/13866)

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The above answer is intended to be a general answer for all questions of a similar nature. However we can look at a specific instance.

Example: "Bitcoin Wallet" app by Coinbox Inc.

* Website broken.
* App not available for any of my devices.
* Generally bad recent reviews in the app store.
* app store ID is com.polehin.android. polehin.com redirects to coinbox.org. [polehin wallet has discussion suggesting deceptive/untrustworthy](https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216368.0)
* [Review on Youtube shows evidence of deceptive software](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP_C4wZyikk). App suggests it is non-custodial but isn't.
* The only "Coinbox Inc" I found was a [Canadian business dissolved for non-compliance](https://www.companiesofcanada.com/company/750976-6/coinbox-inc).

If the Youtube review is correct, your money has been stolen.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2024-01-10. Score: 0

I do got a link for install the coinbox which was send by the support team of coinbox as l do encounter same problem quite a few years ago. The coinbox app is available in google play store but unfortunately searching cannot search for it. Reason unknown. Below is the link in google play store. Hope it helps.

<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.polehin.android>

Below is the support page for coinbox
<https://coinbox.org/support.html>

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Maybe try directly with the APK:  https://www.apkmonk.com/app/com.polehin.android/  Of course never install from sources you don't fully trust.  

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