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Leonkempen
I see that the New Zealand Chess Federation Calendar http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/calendar.html has more details for the Zonal including link to entry form.
Andrew Hardegen
Thanks for sharing this. The hospitality is very inviting -- I can't think of many other tournaments where the entry fee is inclusive of daily lunches, snacks and a welcome buffet dinner! The special rate accommodation seems good value as well.
I hope that I will be able to play.
From the entry form:
THE WINNERS OF THE 2019 GUAM ZONAL QUALIFY AND ENTITLED TO ADVANCE TO PLAY IN THE WORLD CUP AND THE WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP. LIKEWISE, DIRECT TITLE OF INTERNATIONAL MASTER (IM) TITLE FOR 1ST & FIDE MASTER (FM) TITLE FOR 2ND & 3RD PLACERS WILL BE CONFERRED.
These statements about direct titles are partly correct, but the award of these titles is conditional on the player concerned having already met the new rating bound requirements at some time or other. Failing this, the title takes effect once the player reaches the required rating.
In the event of a tie for 1st involving 3 or fewer players, the IM/WIM title is awarded to all =1st finishers. The title comes into effect once the individual player has met the rating bound requirements (2200 for IM, 2000 for WIM).
In the event of a tie for 1st involving more than 3 players, tiebreak scores are used to determine which 3 players get the IM/WIM titles. The title comes into effect once the individual player has met the rating bound requirements (2200 for IM, 2000 for WIM).
FM/WFM direct titles are also conferred to players who score at least 6.0/9 (under the proviso that all 9 games are played, i.e. no byes or forfeits), though these direct titles are also conditional on the appropriate rating bound being achieved (2100 for FM, 1900 for WFM).
IM/WIM norms are awarded to 2nd and 3rd placegetters. (No rating requirement, as these are norms and not direct titles.)
LOL more soft titles on the way :)
RiverHollow
Andrew, what about CM titles?
Andrew, what about CM titles?CM requires 50% from 9 games and the applicant needs a minimum rating of 2000.
In fact all the direct titles have minimum rating requirements as follows:
FM 2100
WIM 2000
WFM 1900
WCM 1800
For example you are below 2100 and get 6/9 you dont get FM until you reach 2100? , or you just don't get it at all unless you have the 2100 rating?
They are two separate conditions that both must be met. The order is not important.
After scoring 6/9 in the Zonal, you would get the title once your rating gets to 2100. If you have already reached 2100, then you would get the title on scoring 6/9 in the Zonal (even if your rating has since gone below 2100).
thank you very much Andrew
Wrong thread ;)
It's probably a bit early to construct entry lists but the (official) nominees for Australia (two in each category) are:
Open: GM Max Illingworth (2512) and IM James Morris (2494)
Women: WGM Julia Ryjanova (2330) and IM Irina Berezina (2112)
And the (unofficial) nominees for New Zealand (one in each category) are:
Open: CM John Duneas (2023)
Women: Vacant
SquishyDoggy
where are the entry list for Guam? do we have a definitive list closer to the date
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I have deleted a post by antichrist that may have caused confusion.
The Guam Chess Federation is a full and voting member of FIDE Zone 3.6 Oceania. See https://ratings.fide.com/fide_directory.phtml?country=GUM&list=948 It is also a full and voting member of FIDE.
I'm interested in playing in this tournament. Can someone please help me find the appropriate information? (Australian Chess Federation.)
Hi Becky,
See ACF Newsletter 31 October under "ACF Notices" https://us12.campaign-archive.com/?u=9dbd09164491bd3b5116f2b71&id=21b3c71bc7 as follows:
FIDE Zone 3.6 (Oceania) Championship & Women's Championship 2019
The nine-round FIDE Zone 3.6 (Oceania) and Zone 3.6 Women's Zonal Championships, to be played at the Pacific Star Resort in Tumon, Guam, provide the opportunity for qualification to the ensuing FIDE World Cup and World Championship events.
Australia's official nominees for the Women's championship are WGM Julia Ryjanova (Vic) and IM Irina Berezina (NSW).
Nominees for the Open championship are Australian Champion, GM Max Illingworth, and IM James Morris.
Entries from Australian players other than official ACF nominees will be accepted until 5 January 2019. For complete details, see https://www.fide.com/images/stories/FIDE_Calendar_2018/2019_Oceania_Zonal_entry_form.pdf
or phone 0499 996 559 or (03) 9787 7974.
Would probably help if there would be some kind of website (Standard for event of such calibre) that would list current entries via chess-results.com along with other relevant details :)
I observe that the first prize almost covers the flight there and back. Time to kickstart my Kickstarter fund. :P
List of Zonal entries*
Open: GM Max Illingworth (2501), IM James Morris (2485), CM Leon Kempen (1889)
Women: WGM Julia Ryjanova (2308), IM Irina Berezina (2109)
Open: CM John Duneas (2044), Tony Dowden (2044), CM Edward Rains (1999), CM Paul Spiller (1908)
Open: FM Stuart Fancy (1984), FM Shaun Press (1904)
Open: CM Cyril Moetel Jr (1877), Tito Cabunagan (1724), Paquito Springa Jr (1714), Roberto Hernandez (1708), Jeff Balbalosa (1694), Dennis Gonzales (1625), Gonzalo Escapatoria (1593), Remrel Dizon (1559), Eric Ksau Whipps (1336), Morton Sawaichi (unr)
Women: WFM Angie Parrado (1524), Bheng Mission (1436), Destiny Sisior (1432), Angelil Sisior (1414), Joan Gemota (1354)
Open: David Dabuae (1707), Andrew Gadeanang (1707)
Women: Vandella Gadeanang (unr)
Guam, Fiji, Solomon Islands
I will be happy to continually improve and update this list [updated once with CM Leon Kempen (AUS) added]. FIDE ratings have been taken from the Dec 2018 list. Please send any new info to: Tony.Dowden(at)usq.edu.au - Thanks :)
* Organiser Roger Orio advises that players from the above countries have been nominated, have entered or are expected to enter. Yes, traditionally one has entered when one had paid but given that a SWIFT/BIC number has not been provided for international transfer of funds and that cheques ('checks' in the USA) are virtually obsolete, it seems that the bar to entry into the Zonal is lower than one might normally expect (in my opinion only, this is not advice to rock up on the day and expect to enter!). For these reasons the definition of 'entry' is a broad one. Roger also suggests "most of the participants are likely to come from Guam", so in due course we can probably expect the Guam numbers to impress.
Hopefully, the nominated Players will not play each other in a round robin due to lack of numbers.
For now..it looks like Illingworth and Morris will not have any other ''opposition'' over 2050 :).
If not so many entries will be received...may be it will send a clear message to the organisers :). Or else, it will be Pallau/Guam open championship :)
Don't forget me please! (Rebecca Stones) (: I emailed Roger Orio.
Sure :)
List of Zonal entries - Updated Dec 2 (in bold)
Women: WGM Julia Ryjanova (2308), IM Irina Berezina (2109), Rebecca Stones (1792)
Open: CM John Duneas (2044), Tony Dowden (2044), CM Paul Spiller (1908)
Women: WFM Vyanla Punsalan (1952)
I will be happy to continually update this list. FIDE ratings have been taken from the Dec 2018 list. Please send any new info to: Tony.Dowden(at)usq.edu.au - Thanks :)
Most could be Filipino working there. They have brilliant players who are jobless at home.
List of Zonal entries - Updated Dec 4 (new names bolded)
Open: Don Fakarii (unr), Anthony Maelasi (unr)
Guam, Fiji
I will be happy to continually update/correct this list. FIDE ratings have been taken from the Dec 2018 list. Please send any new info to: Tony.Dowden(at)usq.edu.au - Thanks :)
Open: CM Elmer Prudente (2015), Peter Mafnas (2011), Enofre D Manuel (1943), Rudolph P Soriano (1812), Elias Tirador (1804), CM Rogelio L Orio (1791), Malcolm Mcfarland (1781), Almer Santos (1665), Leon Ryan (1410), Benny Pinaula (1329)
I'm happy to continually update this list. FIDE ratings are from the Dec 2018 list. Please send any new info to: Tony.Dowden(at)usq.edu.au - Thanks :)
Open: GM Max Illingworth* (2501), IM James Morris* (2485), Angelito Camer (2083), CM Leon Kempen (1889)
Women: WGM Julia Ryjanova* (2308), IM Irina Berezina* (2109), Rebecca Stones (1792)
Open: CM John Duneas* (2044), Tony Dowden (2044), CM Paul Spiller (1908)
Women: WFM Vyanla Punsalan* (1952)
Open: CM Elmer Prudente (2015), Peter Mafnas (2011), Enofre D Manuel (1943), Rudolph P Soriano (1812), Elias Tirador (1804), CM Rogelio L Orio (1791), Malcolm Mcfarland (1781), Almer Santos (1665), Radcliffe Paras (1653), Gefferson Batula (1569), Leon Ryan (1410), Benny Pinaula (1329), Gavino A. Estur (unr)
Women: Olga Szekely (1708), Grace C. Estur (unr)
Open: FM Stuart Fancy* (1984), FM Shaun Press (1904)
The asterisked players are the official nominees from the relevant federations. Please send any updates (including additional official nominees) to: Tony.Dowden(at)usq.edu.au - Thanks :)
Thanks Tony for your fine efforts on these updates.
At present in the Open there could be quite a lot of not terribly highly rated players scoring 6/9 and bagging a direct FM title conditional on at some stage being/having been 2100+. Will be interesting to see if it stays that way or if the pointy end strengthens.
You are welcome KB but I'm actually only relaying info that Rogelio ('Roger') Orio from Guam is kindly feeding me.
You make an interesting observation about the possible proliferation of FM titles but I don't think that many of the current entrants are in your 'quite a lot' category. Although a number have touched 2100 in the past (Camer, Kempen, Duneas, Dowden, Spiller, Fancy, Press and maybe one or two others), it is questionable how many of these are capable of scoring 6/7 and obtaining an FM title (assuming they lose against Max and James). Moreover, another couple of entries by, say two strong 2300-ish FMs, would make it an extremely difficult ask. That said, I for one intend to give it a go!
You make an interesting observation about the possible proliferation of FM titles but I don't think that many of the current entrants are in your 'quite a lot' category. Although a number have touched 2100 in the past (Camer, Kempen, Duneas, Dowden, Spiller, Fancy, Press and maybe one or two others), it is questionable how many of these are capable of scoring 6/7 and obtaining an FM title (assuming they lose against Max and James).
I'm not certain they'll necessarily play both Max and James - could be a path involving getting 5/8 then winning in round 9 having played only one of them. It will be interesting to see if it works like that should the field stay broadly like it is.
Interestingly both Fancy and Press are FMs already, but unlike most low-rated FMs in Oceania, they are Olympiad-FMs rather than Zonal-FMs.
I think all this could be expected when awarding the zonal to Guam....
Yes KB, you are right about alternative pathways to 5/8 then a less fearsome opponent in the last round and - as I remembered much later after posting - Press and Fancy are already FMs!
Posts moved
Posts discussing the location of the Zonal have been moved here:
http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?16724-2019-Oceania-Zonal-Location-(sf-2017)
I might move some of them back but for the time being any further replies to #30 are to be posted to that thread not this one.
Garvinator
With the Open field so far looking like a contest between Max Illingworth and James Morris and then a large rating drop off to third, I am a bit surprised that another genuine chance for 1st has not thrown their name in the field to give it a go. There would not be that many Oceania Zonals that you could play in with a chance to go to the World Cup where it is so far effectively a two horse race.
Adamski
Good to see you are playing, Tony D, and thanks for the regular field updates. Best wishes for the tournament!
Afitz
I'd say its probably to do with costs...those two were selected as the Australian representatives which I would imagine means their accommodation is covered. Over the course of a zonal that's a pretty reasonable saving!
Thanks Jono :) My two kids are grown up now (the elder one has left home and the younger one graduated with a uni degree last weekend) so I've decided to be more active again. I've never played in a zonal before and this time it didn't clash with my uni teaching duties, so I decided to enter! The updates are courtesy of organiser Roger Orio who is sending me details as they become available.
Yes it would be pretty difficult to do it in the hope of winning as a purely professional decision. If you won the Zonal but were eliminated in the first round of the World Cup (as every Australian has been excepting one who won on forfeit) then the prizemoney for both would not have much change left out of it after two lots of travel costs and one of accommodation.
A little birdy says that there is only one horse...
Yes, James Morris said he couldn't play a week ago. I'm not sure what is going on with any possible replacement.
List of Zonal entries - Updated Dec 22
Open: GM Max Illingworth* (2501), Angelito Camer (2083), CM Leon Kempen (1889)
Open: CM Elmer Prudente (2015), Peter Mafnas (2011), Enofre D Manuel (1943), Rudolph P Soriano (1812), Elias Tirador (1804), CM Rogelio L Orio (1791), Malcolm Mcfarland (1781), Felix Lacno (1711), Almer Santos (1665), Radcliffe Paras (1653), Gefferson Batula (1569), Leon Ryan (1410), Benny Pinaula (1329), Gavino A. Estur (unr), Lester Sison (unr)
The asterisked players are official nominees from their federations. IM James Morris (AUS) and CM Edward Rains (NZL) have been removed from earlier lists. Send updates to: Tony.Dowden(at)usq.edu.au - Thanks :)
3 Australians entered so far...
When is the latest day to entry? If you decide you can't go after you paid the entry later nearer to the date, do you get a partial, a full refund or none...
The entry form clearly states that entries close on 5th Jan 5 2019, however it also states that late entries might be accepted if a late fee is paid. If you need any special arrangement concerning payment of your entry fee I suggest you email the organiser Rogelio Orio at siasbinay(at)gmail.com
List of Zonal entries - Updated Jan 3 (ratings adjustments)
Open: CM Elmer Prudente (2015), Peter Mafnas (2011), Enofre D Manuel (1943), Rudolph P Soriano (1812), Elias Tirador (1804), Malcolm Mcfarland (1781), CM Rogelio L Orio (1775), Felix Lacno (1711), Almer Santos (1665), Radcliffe Paras (1653), Gefferson Batula (1569), Leon Ryan (1410), Benny Pinaula (1329), Gavino A. Estur (unr), Lester Sison (unr)
Open: CM Cyril Montel Jr (1877), Tito Cabunagan (1717), Paquito Suringa Jr (1716), Jeff Balbalosa (1714), Roberto Hernandez (1707), Dennis Gonzales (1622), Gonzalo Escapatoria (1588), Remrel Dizon (1482), Eric Ksau Whipps (1336), Morton Sawaichi (1206)
Women: WFM Angie Parrado (1554), Angelil Sisior (1439), Destiny Sisior (1431), Baby Edna Mission (1389), Joan Gemota (1283)
Well, everyone seems to believe the new Australian Open Champion, Temur Kuybokarov, is playing this Zonal. I don't see his name on the above list of players...so I assume Tony will confirm it with his next update :)
There are still issues with clearing him to play relating to him being in the post-transfer window in which it appears that according to FIDE rules he can't play without fees being paid to FIDE and (unless waived) his old federation.
… according to FIDE rules he can't play without fees being paid to FIDE ...
every time I read something about international transfer fees paid to FIDE I think of the most recent …
The deal is worth at least $340 million over four years, according to Forbes sources. The tally includes a $140 million (€120 million) transfer fee owed to Real and a net annual salary for Ronaldo of roughly $35 million (€30 million).Jul 10, 2018
Well since FIFA gets nothing out of such deals, FIDE has one over the soccer mob! :P
Yes Max, I received advice from the organisers last night that Temur Kuybokarov has entered the Zonal. (I wonder: have the 'issues' Kevin mentioned been cleared up and has Australia endorsed him as one of its two official representatives in the Open section?) I'll update the field in the weekend - when I've finished competing in the George Trundle Qualifiers event and I'm back in QLD on my familiar desk-top :)
Yes Max, I received advice from the organisers last night that Temur Kuybokarov has entered the Zonal. (I wonder: have the 'issues' Kevin mentioned been cleared up and has Australia endorsed him as one of its two official representatives in the Open section?)
No-one has told me anything about the problems being cleared up, and I think it's highly likely I would have been told as Gary Wastell (ACF President) is contacting his former federation, and even if agreement is reached there is still a permission form to be sent to FIDE and a charge to be paid to FIDE. Unless of course FIDE decides to do something completely different that nobody has told me about. On 22/12 I advised the organisers as follows:
Unless we advise that these fees and formalities have been completed, Australia cannot and does not approve any entry from Temur Kuybokarov in the Oceania Zonal as we will be charged a fine by FIDE if he represents us in this time, even if not playing as an official entry.
I have not emailed the organisers since.
........and I am sure with the new FIDE administration, which they promised to reduce fees would waiver this fee, especially if we take into account it is a Zonal and the FIDE President is all about development, in particular with Zone 3.6
I know the new administration is intending to halve FIDE fees subject to approval of the General Assembly later this year. I haven't heard anything about whether this applies to the Compensation Fee which is a fee paid by one federation to another, and is the major problem in this instance.
List of Zonal entries - Updated Jan 13
Open: GM Max Illingworth* (2501), Angelito Camer (2083), CM Leon Kempen (1889), CM Aurel-John Buciu (1756), Viney Kumar (1633), Michael Buciu (unr)
Open: CM John Duneas* (2044), Tony Dowden (2044), CM Hilton Bennett (1943), CM Paul Spiller (1908), Johnson Li (unr)
Open: CM Elmer Prudente (2015), Enofre D Manuel (1943), Rudolph P Soriano (1812), Elias Tirador (1804), Malcolm Mcfarland (1781), CM Rogelio L Orio (1775), Felix Lacno (1711), Almer Santos (1665), Radcliffe Paras (1653), Gefferson Batula (1569), Leon Ryan (1410), Benny Pinaula (1329), Rodrigo Bumagat (unr), Gavino A. Estur (unr), Melchor Manibusan (unr), Lester Sison (unr)
Women: Olga Szekely (1708), Ruth Baptista (1601), Grace C. Estur (unr)
Open: Tito Cabunagan (1717), Dennis Gonzales (1622), Ksau Anthony Whipps (1519), Remrel Dizon (1482), Mohammad Manik Hossain (1480), Reece Reklai (1345), Eric Ksau Whipps (1336)
Women: WFM Angie Parrado (1554), Angelil Sisior (1439), Destiny Sisior (1431)
Notes: 1. The Palau contingent has had some withdrawals, 2. As per recent posts it is unclear whether IM (and GM-elect) Temur Kuybokarov is eligible, so I haven't added him at this stage, 3. I am also unsure if Marco Corpuz (Philippines or maybe Guam?) is eligible.
Notes: 1. The Palau contingent has had some withdrawals, 2. As per recent posts it is unclear whether IM (and GM-elect) Temur Kuybokarov is eligible, so I haven't added him at this stage. 3. I am also unsure if Marco Corpuz (Philippines or Guam?) is eligible.
Max better make no surprise blunders...or else we will have an U2100 representing us in World cup :)
Regarding Kuybokarov I understand he's just being considered as an entry provisionally while attempts are made to resolve the post-transfer and other issues in time. (I suspect they won't be.)
And that person will progress as far as most of our previous representatives.
I confirm he will not enter the Zonal tournament at all.
This appears authoritative. May I ask on what basis?
Directly from the family.
Open: CM Elmer Prudente (2015), Enofre D Manuel (1943), Rudolph P Soriano (1812), Elias Tirador (1804), Malcolm Mcfarland (1781), CM Rogelio L Orio (1775), Felix Lacno (1711), Almer Santos (1665), Radcliffe Paras (1653), Gefferson Batula (1569), Leon Ryan (1410), Benny Pinaula (1329), Rodrigo Bumagat (unr), Marco Corpuz (unr), Gavino A. Estur (unr), Melchor Manibusan (unr), Lester Sison (unr)
Is anyone taking advantage of the second Australian spot for free entry/accomm?
This is shaping up to be bigger than Ben Hur - one mighty celebration of a game universally loved by nations big and small, morally lead by giants Australia and New Zealand and uniting in fellowship the denizens of a region exceeding a third of the surface of the earth.
Constituting a zone known as Oceania with representative rights leading to the World Cup, it enjoys a status that some would savagely (like a savage) jeopardize by overzealous self-interest in wishing to confine it only to tournaments in the first two-mentioned nations and still be regarded a zonal heir.
More power to the hosts Guam Echécs and the organizers who have beavered away to make it all happen.
This is shaping out to be the weakest zonal in history of Fide with only 1 player rated above 2100!
That's how they found out who the club champion was - by letting the weakest player like me play.
Do you need immunization and vaccination for going to Guam?
No need for any vaccines for Guam. Just follow the advice of US.
List of Zonal entries - Updated Feb 1 (rating adjustments)
Open: Tony Dowden (2097), Johnson Li (2092), CM John Duneas* (2086), CM Paul Spiller (1908), CM Hilton Bennett (1904)
List of Zonal entries - Updated Feb 4
Open: Tony Dowden (2097), CM John Duneas* (2086), CM Paul Spiller (1908), CM Hilton Bennett (1904)
Notes: Organiser CM Rogelio Orio advised today that Johnson Li (NZL) has withdrawn and, as has been previously confirmed via other avenues here on ChessChat, IM Temur Kuybokarov (AUS) has withdrawn. He also said he'd write at the end of the week and send me a finalised list of players, as he has been waiting for a few late registrations from Guam players to be completed.
To the best of my knowledge, Irina Berezina withdrew quite a long time ago.
Thanks KB :) Perhaps Rogelio forgot to inform me about the women's event in his update. I'll follow this up with him.
I have done this again with some recent posts. Anyone wishing to discuss moderation of this thread or the other one may do so in the Help and Feedback section only.
I was expecting to receive confirmation of final entry lists for both the Open and Women's Zonal in Guam over the weekend but no news yet, sorry.
Cheers, Tony :)
List of Zonal entries - Final update
Open: GM Max Illingworth* (2501), Angelito Camer (2083), CM Clive Ng (2051), CM Leon Kempen (1883), CM Aurel-John Buciu (1758), Viney Kumar (1633)
Women: WGM Julia Ryjanova* (2289), Rebecca Stones (1822)
Open: Tony Dowden (2097), CM John Duneas* (2086), CM Paul Spiller (1908)
Open: CM Elmer Prudente (2015), Enofre Manuel (1943), Rudolph Soriano (1812), Elias Tirador (1804), Malcolm Mcfarland (1781), CM Rogelio Orio (1775), Felix Lacno (1711), Almer Santos (1665), Radcliffe Paras (1653), Leon Ryan (1410), Gavino Estur (unr), Melchor Manibusan (unr), James Morton (unr), Cyle Sarmiento (unr), Brian Sison (unr), Lester Sison (unr), Gian Sosa (unr), Marion Tuazon (unr)
Women: Olga Szekely (1708), Myra Ollett (1454), Grace C. Estur (unr)
Open: Tito Cabunagan (1717), Dennis Gonzales (1622), Ksau Anthony Whipps (1519), Remrel Dizon (1482), Mohammad Manik Hossain (1480), Reece Reklai (1345)
Women: WFM Angelica Parrado (1554), Angelil Sisior (1439), Destiny Sisior (1431), Kayah Whipps 1083
Notes: Team Guam has swollen in size to 18 players in the Open division, although eight of these are unrated. CM Clive Ng (AUS) is a notable late entry in the Open. The three players from Nauru remain 'subject to confirmation'.
Thanks for the update Tony. Are the players from Solomon Islands not coming or left off the update in error? A bit disappointing if that country no longer represented. Comparing the lists I see also Michael Buciu (AUS) and Benny Pinaula (GUM) no longer listed.
May be Max can make it more interesting by giving other participants a simul :). Will still comfortably score 90%!
11 women, 9 rounds. That is always a horrid number. If it stays at 11 players, something will need to be worked out.
You are welcome Leon :) The two players from the Solomons and Michael Buciu were not included in the list Rogelio sent me. I wouldn't be surprised if the players from Nauru didn't make it either. Benny Pinuala and one or two others from Guam have withdrawn but have been replaced by a few more players. See you soon!
The maths is indeed awkward but the player from Nauru has not confirmed her entry, so at this late stage might be a no show, which would allow a ten-player round robin to be played.
Popular Kiwi player, and many times Olympiad Captain, CM Hilton Bennett is a late withdrawal :(
simdeaf
Max on a hiding to nothing. Win all the games is the bare minimum. Anything less than that..... and all the players drawn against Max super motivated for some big game hunting. Good luck to Max!
Capablanca-Fan
Over 400 points above the next. This would indicate that the most probable score is over 10/11 if he played with all players like that, but with many players over 1000 points lower, 11/11 seems to be most likely. I still wish all the best to Tony Dowden when they meet.
I doubt whether Max can get over 9 points in a 9 round tournament!
Only 9? Is that all? Well, 8.5/9 then.
... I still wish all the best to Tony Dowden when they meet. Thanks Jono :)
Whatever you do, never underestimate Dr. Tony Dowden!
if he wins, we will get to see Dowden-Carlsen in the first round of the world cup!
Nah, he's easy!
It seems the women's world championship has changed (or is currently changing). Does anyone know what's next for the top woman player?
I believe last time Kathryn Hardegen ended up playing vs. now world champion Ju Wenjun, which I think would have been an awesome experience!
Read her interview in the relevant thread here, she has quite a few interesting things to say!
This thread (http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?5069-An-interview-Added-WFM-Kathryn-Hardegen/page45)?
I suspect they will keep the knockout tournament which the Zonal winner goes to but downgrade its status so that, like the open World Cup, it serves as a qualifier for the Candidates tournament for the World Champs and not as the World Champs itself. However FIDE have not yet confirmed anything (to my knowledge) for cycles beyond the current one.
CM Cyril Montel Jr (1877) from Palau has been accepted as a late entry. The three Nauru players (one of whom is named in the line up for the Women's event) remain unconfirmed.
I know you are enjoying having a few laughs Michael but I don't foresee any scenario in which I would want to compete in the World Cup.
Well if not for Max, you would be the main favourite!
My flight leaves today (from Tehran), and takes two nights to get to Guam.
I'm at the airport now... I had to explain where Guam is! But my luggage is checked in and tagged to Guam. I'm still not 100% sure they'll let me into Guam. I don't believe I've forgotten anything, but I guess we'll find out.
In the first round of the last World Cup Magnus played a 2250ish player so it wouldn't be so astonishing.
If going on February ratings after my good Aussie Open result I might be up there on paper but in an "if not Max" scenario any of the players in the 2000-2100 bracket are serious contenders. And at 58 I think I'm older than most.
I thought I already indicated I wouldn't go to the World Cup. Why would I want take that experience away from one of Australia's young GMs? (Admittedly I'm assuming Oceania would select the strongest available player rather than a lower place-getter from the Zonal.)
(Admittedly I'm assuming Oceania would select the strongest available player rather than a lower place-getter from the Zonal.)
If the same World Cup regulations as in 2017 are followed, Oceania would not select anyone - it is (almost) automatically a lower place-getter:
Continental and Zonal qualifiers will be replaced from their respective events, except that in the Zonal Tournament, the replacement must have scored 50% or more in the Zonal event. Otherwise the place passes to the Continental Championship.
That is how Kathryn Hardegen came to be the Oceania representative in the last Women's World Champs after Layla Timergazi, who won the last Women's Zonal, withdrew. The replacement position cascades down the finisher list from the Zonal.
Oh dear :( Well, me winning the event is a very unlikely scenario!
Hypothetically if you did finish ahead of Max and then stood aside, surely he could take the spot.
oops sorry no! I meant the An Interview thread! However, Becky as a mathematician went the tangential way and located it easily! :)
Hi from Guam! Made it! It's something like 4am in the morning now.
Good Luck Becky!
Any live games?
Thanks Narelle!! It's nice having some supporters! Haha!
I don't know what the pairings are yet, but the first game is tomorrow morning. I'm a bit concerned about how prepared everyone will be for this tournament.
Links to Vega tournament webpages for both Open and Womens are published in Oceania Zonal section of New Zealand Chess News Calendar (https://newzealandchess.nz/calendar.html) and Results (https://newzealandchess.nz/2019/results.html) webpages.
Just click on the relevant buttons.
Pairings are available on the Vega webpages.
Womens round robin pairings for every round are published in the Schedule under the Tables menu.
There are some half-point byes showing in the first round. Are half-point byes allowed in Zonal events?
1.2 These Rules apply to the following levels of competition.
L1: Official FIDE events as defined by the FIDE Events Commission (D.IV.01.1) or FIDE
World Championship and Olympiad Commission (D.I, D.II)
L2: Competitions where FIDE titles and title norms can be earned
L3: FIDE Rated Competitions
L4: All other competitions
Rules that apply to specific types of competitions shall have the competition level indicated.
Otherwise the rules shall apply to all levels of competitions.
8.3 Swisses
(4) In an L2, L3 or L4 tournament the rules may permit a player to take a half point bye in a
given round. It is only allowed if adequate notice has been given and is agreed to by the
arbiter.
Such permission might not be granted to a player who receives conditions, or who has been
given a free entry to the tournament. It is not permitted in the last round of a tournament.
I thought that since Zonals were L1 events, half-point byes were not allowed.
One BIG upset in Rd 1. GM Max Illingworth lost on the Black side of a c3 Sicilian. Rd 2 starts soon so more later.
Aged well as always Baron.
Now there is a greater chance of Dowden-Carlsen WC encounter :)
As someone who managed to lose to 1700 in allegro last Saturday, I am surely entitled to underestimate ability of people to lose to weaker players :). Where there is a will, there is a way :(.
On a serious note...yea it happens.
I count on my man. I did spend a few last weeks on training him.
And more importantly, if he gets a chance we will actually see him playing Magnus.
Some of the games are here now: http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/tournaments/misc/2019/wwwOceania%20Zonal/games.html Including Max's surprise loss in round 1.
Now there is a greater chance of Dowden-Carlsen WC encounter :)Unfortunately the second seed lost in Round 2, and with the third seed also dropping a half-point there are a few scenarios open.
Looks like the rumors about the death of the king are premature. I expect 8/9.
Yikes, this is the upset - from a position black was winning.
1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.Be2 e6 7.0-0 Nc6 8.h3 Bh5 9.Be3 cxd4 10.Nxd4 Bxe2 11.Qxe2 Be7 12.Rd1 0-0 13.Nd2 Nxd4 14.Bxd4 b5 15.Bxf6 gxf6 16.Nf3 Qc5 17.Nd4 a6 18.Rd3 Kh8 19.Rg3 Bd6 20.Rg4 f5 21.Rh4 Be7 22.Rh5 Rg8 23.Rd1 Rad8 24.Rd3 Bf6 25.Qd2 Qd5 26.Rf3 Rg6 27.Rg3 Qxa2 28.Rxg6 fxg6 29.Qh6 Qb1+ 30.Kh2 Be5+ 31.f4 Bxf4+ 32.Qxf4 gxh5 33.Qe5+ Kg8 34.Qxe6+ Kf8 35.Nxf5
I was watching the news... and the tournament was on TV!!
were you watching the news sideways Becky? :D Get back there and kick ass lady!
Pics at https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/11435-fide-president-arkady-dvorkovich-visited-guam.html
Some photos
https://twitter.com/FIDE_chess/status/1097489093481517057/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AChess__News&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fchess-news.ru%2F
Here's the tournament in the news: https://www.guampdn.com/videos/news/local/2019/02/18/chess-players-do-battle-2019-guam-oceania-zonal-chess-championships/2903031002/
Is there a website you can go to in order to see the results ?
It was mentioned indirectly in post 108.
Standings at:
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/tournaments/misc/2019/wwwOceania%20Zonal/standing.html
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/tournaments/misc/2019/wwwOceania%20Womens%20Zonal/standing.html
can click for pairings, etc.
Updates only after end of each round, not live.
Please assist with some confusion, which I freely admit could be all my doing and the advertising on the website is correct.
The tournament standings are showing that the tie break criteria is as follows:
Tie Break legend:
DirE: Direct Encounter
Mwns: Most Wins
MBlk: Most Blacks
Buc1: Buchholz Cut 1
BucT: Buchholz Total
SB: Sonneborn-Berger
But my reading of here: https://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=88&view=article says that the tie break should be:
12.	Qualification for the World Championship
12.1	Not later than one week after the end of the zonal tournament, the President of the Zone shall report the results to the FIDE General Secretariat.
12.2	If, in a particular Zone, no Zonal or Sub-zonal tournament has been held, this Zone will receive no place in the World Championship In special circumstances a decision will be taken by the Continental President who shall take a decision to nominate other players from the rest of the Continent using the rating list as the basis of his decision.
12.3	If, in any tournament, a play-off is necessary between players with equal scores, the provisions of D.I.01, Section 5.14 shall apply.
12.3.1 The play-off shall begin two days after the end of the Zonal or Sub-zonal tournament, at the same venue.
12.3.2 If two players are involved, they shall play a match of four games.
12.3.3 If three or more players are involved, a tournament will be held among them. The number or rounds in this tournament must be fixed so as to guarantee at least four games for each player.
12.3.4 If the play-off results in a further tie, the provisions of D.I.01, Sections 5.15 and 5.16 shall be applied.
Section 12 only ever applied to a tie for first place to determine the qualifier for the World Cup. It didn't apply to any other ties.
But I also don't believe it is current bearing in mind what happened in 2015 when Illingworth and McClymont played off on the final day. This is in contrast to ties in 2011 and 2013 in the Women's Zonal which were resolved later.
Indeed the entry form information has this:
TIE BREAK
In the case of a tie for the first place, a playoff match will be required to decide the title of the Zonal Champion. The playoff matches will begin at 2 pm on the day of the final round.
The 2015 entry information had:
In the case of more than two players tied for first, the title of Zonal Champion and the qualifying place for the 2015 World Cup will be decided by tiebreak.
Tiebreaks will be based on the FIDE recommended order for tiebreaks for individual Swiss tournaments where ratings are consistent. These are:
Direct encounter
The greater number of wins
The greater number of games with Black (unplayed games shall be counted as played with White)
AROC
Buchholz Cut 1
Sonneborn-Berger
Bob Gibbons
Only 1 player is on 3/3...very closely contested tournament :)
Yes it helps Max to get back to the top provided that he doesn't have more disasters. The rest of the field are evenly enough matched that they are very likely to keep dropping points in games between them.
After five rounds Max is back to equal first as part of a six-way tie.
Impressive showing so far by a regular arbiter in NSW and ACT, and regular member of the PNG Olympiad team, Shaun Press. Shaun is in that tie for first.
In the women's, Becky has defeated Punsalan so now Ryjanova (who is still on 100%) has a one-point lead.
Also, tomorrow morning is Ryjanova vs. Punsalan, which would have a big influence on the final results. Probably Punsalan is prepared, but Ryjanova avoided my opening preparation (sort of... I still played it, but against a different white opening formation), and might do the same with Punsalan.
Realistically, Ryjanova is a solid player, and it's incredibly hard to create winning chances against her, especially as black. There's probably not much you can do to beat Ryjanova without years of training and becoming a player of comparable strength--she simply doesn't give you winning chances, patiently optimizing each move. I guess we'll see how it goes tomorrow... it should be an interesting game.
I have a feeling, prepared Punsalan will find it not easy against unprepaired Rjanova :)
A quick question is what titles and norms are up for grabs? I understand 6/9 gives an FM title. Is it true that silver and bronze give an IM norm? Does it have to be equal first, or any silver and bronze? Thanks.
http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=199&view=article under "sub-continental individual"
Silver and bronze do not have to be first equal but they do have to be top three after tiebreak. So if there is an outright first and a three way tie for second, then only two of those tied for second get the norm.
Note also that titles are conditional on rating: a player does not get the title unless/until they have reached a rating of 200 points below the normal level for the title (eg FM 2100).
Yes it helps Max to get back to the top provided that he doesn't have more disasters. The rest of the field are evenly enough matched that they are very likely to keep dropping points in games between them.Believe it or not, after 8 rounds GM Max leads by a full point. The cluster of players second equal includes Shaun Press, the 1700 chap who beat Max in round 1 Felix Lacno, and St George's Clive Ng. Last round only to come.
Equal first gives the IM (or WIM) title. It's likely these won't be awarded this time, with the most likely outcomes Max outright first in the open and Julia outright first in the women's.
6/9 for the FM or WFM title. I'm not following the open, but in the women's...
- I'm on 6.5/8 currently so I should get the WFM title.
- Olga Szekely is on 5/8 currently, and is playing a lower rated opponent tomorrow, so she could get the WFM title.
- Myra Ollet is on 5/8 too, but she plays Julia tomorrow, so she probably won't get it.
- Other players either already have the title, or are not in contention.
(Edit: Olga and Myra's titles have a rating condition, which slipped my mind when writing this.)
Vyanla has played tomorrow's game already, so her final score is 7/9, and she should come second or third and get a WIM norm. Assuming I haven't miscalculated, I'm also going to end up in second or third so I should get a WIM norm too.
[I was hoping to get the direct WIM title (I had a 2000+ rating previously), but it didn't go as I hoped. I needed to beat Olga and draw with Julia.... I tried!]
... in the women's...
- I'm on 6.5/8 currently so I should get the WFM title.Congratulations on a great performance, Becky!
Step by step! WFM first!
Thanks! I'm still youthful and impatient... (: WFM is okay, for now... we'll see what the future holds.
Believe it or not, after 8 rounds GM Max leads by a full point.
Helped by the propensity of others in this field to draw. He has even had a draw himself now, against Duneas.
Seven Six players are in contention for FM titles conditional on rating in the Open, but at most four will actually get them. Of these, Duneas (needs draw) and Dowden (needs win) would be eligible immediately.
I haven't tried to work out who can still get norms.
[edit: I believe Soriano will not get FM conditional on rating if he beats Dowden, as Soriano won on forfeit in round 1]
In the women's Punsalan already has qualified for a WIM norm and Becky already has qualified for a WFM title which she has cleared the rating requirement for and a WIM norm.
Szekely and Ollet can qualify for WFM conditional on rating if they win, which in Ollet's case is black vs Ryjanova, but it could be hard for either to get the rating requirement in the future.
I had a cute game to finish the tournament, so I though I'd share it. I'm white vs. Angelil Sisior (rating 1439).
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 e6 3. g3 b6 4. Bg2 Bb7 5. O-O Nf6 6. c4 c6 7. b3 Be7 8. Bb2 Nbd7 9. Nc3 O-O 10. Qc2 Qc7 11. Rac1 Rac8 12. e4 Ne8 13. cxd5 cxd5 14. e5 f5 15. exf6 Nexf6 16. Qe2 Rfe8 17. Qxe6+ Kh8 18. Ng5 Ba3 19. Nf7+ Kg8 20. Nh6+ Kh8 21. Qg8+ Nxg8 22. Nf7# 1-0
I arrived 20 minutes late... I was just enjoying breakfast and someone told me the games have started. I thought it started at 2pm, not 9am, so I would have lost by forfeit if I wasn't told. A bit embarrassed and disheveled, I came in and apologized, and started the game.
My opponent's moves indicate she had prepared an opening against me, and she easily equalized while blitzing moves. It was a bit unsettling being half an hour down on the clock in an equalized position. She played ...b6, which has been my style of play in this tournament--I think this was intended as a kind of in-game joke.
I played 12.e4 basically to ensure there's tactics on the board, and they arrived soon after.
16.Qe2 hits e6, which is practically undefendable... when learning tactics, we often study forks, skewers, mates, etc., but these "undefendable" pawns are often underappreciated. 18. Ng5 threatens smothered mate, but I wasn't expecting to play it--I'm really opening up the g2 bishop to hit d5 and the smothered mate gives me tempo. But I got to play out the mate, with a nice finish to the tournament. (And one of the first games to finish, despite my lateness.)
So I ended on 7.5/9, which is outright second. A rather enjoyable tournament, so thanks to the organizers!!
Outside my window right now is tropical storm Wutip, which might become a typhoon and result in flight changes for me and other participants. We'll see how that goes.
Shaun Press's report indicates some very short draws in round 8:
http://chessexpress.blogspot.com/2019/02/2019-oceania-zonal-day-5.html
Yes, my flight is cancelled, and moved to Monday (the next day). I would guess they're all cancelled now. I don't know what I'll do for accommodation for the extra night.
GM Max Illingworth announces retirement right after the conclusion of the 2019 Oceania Zonal
I copy from his face book entry
Now that the 2019 Oceania Zonal has concluded, I announce my retirement from competitive classical tournaments (with the exception of the 2019 FIDE World Cup, which I just qualified for).
I already made this decision some months ago, but only recently decided that I would make it public. I have written about the reasons for my retirement in detail in a blog post on Chess.com, but for now, I would like to thank everyone for making my journey as a chess player a very pleasant and fulfilling one!
While I haven't enjoyed playing classical chess for a full year now, I'm more passionate and committed than ever to helping other enthusiastic chess players achieve their chess dreams through my coaching and my writing. I look forward to sharing more details about my vision of making chess improvement more accessible, directed and structured for aspiring players in the near future!
I should note that I am not necessarily retiring permanently from competitions - I will consider temporarily coming out of retirement if an organizer makes me a profitable offer to play a tournament!
All further discussion of Max's retirement announcement that is not specifically related to the Zonal should go here:
http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?17492-GM-Max-Illingworth-retires-from-competitive-chess!&p=446013#post446013
Specifically related to the Zonal, I was surprised Max would sacrifice ratings points with a quick draw against Duneas, but now it makes more sense!
So little birdy is bringing some big news from the recently concluded zonal. There are 3 new FM title holders (subject to 2100 rating).
One is local, one is from NZ and one is from Australia.
Both IM norms go to Australia. One goes to Shaun Press and the other one goes to the manager of Australian Kangaroos. :clap:
Congratulations Becky!
Results have just gone up, just as I was trying to work out if that was enough information to identify the FM-qualifiers.
So, unofficially I get:
Press (PNG) - IM norm
Ng (AUS) - IM norm, FM title for which I think he has not met the rating requirement yet (but not far off)
Duneas (NZL) - FM title for which he has met the rating requirement
Manuel Enofre Efren (Guam) - FM title for which he hasn't met the rating requirement yet, also hasn't met CM (as far as I can tell)
I have nine players qualifying for CM conditional on rating, of whom only Dowden has met the rating requirement.
In the Women's:
Stones (AUS) - WFM title and WIM norm, rating requirement for WFM met
Punsalan (NZ) - WIM norm
Szekely (Guam) - WFM title, rating requirement not yet met, not met for WCM either but close already eligible for WCM (see below)
Ollet (Guam) - WCM subject to rating, rating requirement not yet met.
AUSTRALIAN DIRECT TITLE WINNERS
The Australian Chess Federation pays for all FM/WFM and IM/WIM titles earned by players registered to AUS. The ACF does not pay for CM/WCM titles and will only claim these on receiving confirmation and payment.
The following is the process for Australian players who have qualified for titles, depending on case:
1. The player has qualified for FM/WFM or above and has met the rating requirement: You do not need to do anything to claim the title; the ACF will claim it for you once FIDE confirm it is available. If you wish to receive a certificate and pin from FIDE (when delivered) send your current postal address to k_bonham@iinet.net.au and update it if you move before receiving the certificate and pin.
2. The player has qualified for FM/WFM or above and has not yet met the rating requirement: When you meet the rating requirement, send your current postal address to k_bonham@iinet.net.au and update it if you move before receiving the FIDE certificate and pin. This will serve as a reminder to claim your title in case I have not already done so.
3. The player has qualified for CM/WCM, wants the title, and has met the rating requirement: Email k_bonham@iinet.net.au stating that you wish to claim the title and include your current postal address. You will be sent payment instructions once FIDE confirms the title. Update your postal address if you move before receiving the certificate and pin.
4. The player has qualified for CM/WCM, wants the title, and has not yet met the rating requirement: When you meet the rating requirement, email k_bonham@iinet.net.au stating that you wish to claim the title and include your current postal address. You will be sent payment instructions. Update your postal address if you move before receiving the certificate and pin.
5. The player has qualified for CM/WCM but does not want the title: No need to do anything but an email to k_bonham@iinet.net.au confirming you do not currently want the title would be appreciated. You can always claim it later.
Note 1: The delivery of FIDE certificates and pins is unreliable and slow. Please only query the non-receipt of your certificate and pin if not received by at least 15 months after the event.
Note 2: Please contact Dr Bonham by EMAIL ONLY regarding these matters. If you contact him by Chesschat message you will be asked to resend the message by email for records purposes.
Note 3: You do not need to claim norms; we will ask FIDE to add these to your player profile when confirmed.
More details will be posted on Chesschat.org in the event thread in the Oceania section, and if necessary in the ACF Newsletter.
Congrats to all title winners.
Dr Kevin Bonham
ACF FIDE Admin Officer
k_bonham@iinet.net.au
Random question: if I had forfeited the last round (which I nearly did by mistaking the start time), would that have precluded me from the WFM title? I would have come third on 6.5 points, but there might be some participation requirement which ordinarily doesn't arise.
It seems Clive Ng and John Duneas went searching for me, after quickly agreeing to a draw in their game. It's quite touching that people would do this for me.
I'm not completely sure about this. I know the points needed for the norm must all be scored over the board, so (for instance) 5/8 played plus a win on forfeit wouldn't have been enough. But I think if you have scored the points over the board you can get away with an unplayed game. This issue affects two of the Guam players who seem to have qualified for CM conditional on rating - they each have at least 4.5 from 8 games plus an unplayed game.
Szeleky gained the WCM title at Baku and did not realise that she had to apply for it.
As the bronze medal winner you would have got the WFM title even without playing the last game.
Shaun Press an IM …
No he just gets an IM norm.
http://chessexpress.blogspot.com/2019/02/2019-oceania-zonal-day-5.htmlGreat performance by Shaun in finishing second and still doing his regular blog!