UNFCCC wants 'immunity' from prosecution prior to Rio+20
Emblem of the United Nations.
Oh, this can't be good. Dr. Tim Ball writes in with:
"What is going on here? It suggests they are feeling pressure for liability for their activities?"
From Fox News: U.N. Climate Organization Wants Immunities Against Charges of Conflict of Interest, Exceeding Mandate, Among Others
The organization responsible for managing a global cap-and-trade system worth billions of dollars for carbon emissions projects around the world is trying to get sweeping legal immunities for its actions, even as it plans to expand its activities dramatically in the wake of the United Nations' Rio + 20 summit on sustainable development, which starts June 20.
Despite its name, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, or UNFCCC, legal experts ruled in 2006 that it was not to be part of the U.N. system of organizations that has enjoyed diplomatic and legal immunities since the end of World War II. Now, it is scrambling to figure out how to get them. A meeting of a UNFCCC subsidiary in Bonn last month agreed to forward a new draft treaty covering the issue to another meeting in November.
Internal UNFCCC documents, examined by Fox News, show that among other things, top officials hope to use those immunities to avoid challenges in the future based on such things as:
–possible conflicts of interest in their duties,
–breaches of confidentiality in their work,
–violations of the due process rights of those affected by UNFCCC actions,
–making decisions or actions that are beyond the legal mandate of the organization or its subsidiaries.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/12/un-climate-organization-wants-immunities-against-charges-conflict-interest/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xaeHBzTK
Tags: Bonn, climate change, Fox News Channel, UNFCCC, United Nations, United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development, United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, World War II
Revkin on the Gergis et al 'on hold' affair
Siberian smoke tracked to North America
Bob Diaz
Trust me:
(1) Be in charge of lots of money.
(2) Get 'immunity'.
(3) Profit!!!
What go go wrong here? ;-))
profitup10
Why do those that lie and cheat always want to be protected from their own actions or in actions?
P.F.
Seems UNFCCC wants to achieve Tyranny.
That kind of document could be considered as evidence for a conspiracy to commit high crimes. Some enterprising young district attorney should probably start looking into more of the kind right away.
Bill Tuttle
Despite its name, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, or UNFCCC, legal experts ruled in 2006 that it was not to be part of the U.N. system of organizations that has enjoyed diplomatic and legal immunities since the end of World War II. Now, it is scrambling to figure out how to get them.
Kojo Annan served at least one useful purpose, it seems…
richard verney
Disgraceful.
One of the major problems with government is the lack of accountability. Politicians, quasi politicians and the civil service should be held responsible and accountable for their actions and if negligent they should be liable to suit. This would raise standards of decision making and tend to curb excesses.
There is a practical problem in that these people would not have the financial wherewithal to make good the damage that their actions inflict.
Dominic Allkins
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. That's what we're always told by TPTB.
If they're looking for immunity it suggests to me that they have something to hide.
Pittzer
It's good to be the king.
Yes. The politically connected class that would like to live their lives at our expense while dictating what we can or must not do wants immunity for doing whatever it takes.
If you listen to the broadcast of Jorgen Sanders' recent report on what the world will look like in 2052, he justifies calling it a forecast and refuses to accede to suggestions it can only be a possible scenario. He then states that he can be so arrogant (his words) because there are already processes in place to keep international political, social, and economic decisions on his desired path.
That no further treaties are needed. Immunity is consistent with that declaration that all these machinations are in place and just going to autopilot. Just a lot of jetting around and meeting with fellow planning parasites in his world.
Who will acknowledge point blank they know nothing about their area of designated responsibility and then announce what the sought plans should be.
Pull the funding is the only answer.
Is it possible there is corruption in the UN, similar to what we saw with the Iraqi Oil for Food Program? Having lost their immunity, the officials are now scrambling?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/14/un-cap-and-trade-system-good-for-china-and-india-but-who-else/
UN cap-and-trade system: Good for China and India, but who else?
The United Nations-administered cap and trade system to reduce planetary greenhouse gases through investment in "green" projects in developing countries has directed most of its billions of dollars in investments to China and India, two of the world's most notorious polluters.
Indeed, China and India together have gotten more than 70 percent of the more than 4,100 projects so far registered for the system, while most developing nations, aside from a handful, have gotten hardly any at all, according to the system's own accounts.
Perhaps they can do an IPO like Facebook and not sweat the small stuff.
"UNFCCC also hopes to manage a mammoth Green Climate Fund, intended to help mobilize as much as $100 billion a year for projects to lower global greenhouse gases."
Connect the dots. They want to manage a $100 billion a year fund an have immunity from prosecution. Is there a better recipe for corruption?
ferd – I'm sure if there's ever any proof it'll be a long time in coming, but I'm still convinced that the Western Kyoto bunch agreed to look the other way at China and India gaming Kyoto up, down, and sideways as the price for their signing on the dotted line. We've already seen this with the credit-for-destroying-newly-manufactured-CFCs situation
The Kyoto miscreants were desperate to get those two on board.
What's the difference between an UNFCCC official and a mosquito? One is a blood sucking parasite and the other is an insect.
aharris
Hmmm, we take your money and do whatever we want and are immune to all forms of legitimate grievance? Sounds legit.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine…
I started a joke…
To me, these two are the scariest. Whose rights are they planning on violating? This in opposition to the very bones of the US Constitution. And we've got an administration that loves the UN.
stpaulchuck
So I buy into several investments related to CAGW, then I raise scare stories night and day that stampede people into those same investments driving up the prices. Later I quietly sell off at a HUGE profit. Then the whole scam craters.
Now I play my immunity card. [must be nice]
Pointman
It would be nice to live in a world, where you can exercise authority without any responsability …
Interesting. If organizations such as Defra on the UK take their policy guidance directly from UNFCCC, it would seem that anyone in the UK who has suffered a loss as a result of these policies could sue the UNFCCC.
King George used to think he could boss the colonies around–we now see how that all turned out.
These people are no different: They are indeed liable for their deeds; actions have consequences–especially if they use our money.
Elite jerks.
BTW, considering the UN wants control of the internet… Sites like this that are highly critical of UN organizations need to remain as visible as possible, and watch our backs.
Actually what they are asking for, in essence, is a grant of legal authority.
johnmcguire
Why are we still enduring the UN, Obama, the Clintons, the Bushs, the EPA, and the global warming scam? Is it because we in no way other than the human form resemble our forefathers who fought and died and perservered to create this great nation? This whole nation has been corrupted and is being destroyed from within. As individuals we must begin making a stand by protesting every move made by these agencies and people who wish to control every part of our lives.
Previously there was Oil for Food, presently the UNFCCC Cap and Trade and other AGW schemes. There is no difference. The stated public description of any such program is irrelevant, it is the actual goals and intentions that matter.
* Wealth is involuntarily transferred from individuals to the bureaucracy and redistributed to others. The UN as middleman skims its cut.
* Power is diminished from individuals and strengthened in a central bureaucracy.
It is nothing more than International Socialism, the root principle of Communism, no matter how they dress it up or disguise it.
People watch the Godfather or the Sopranos and think they understand what organized crime is. Man are they wrong. The United Nations is the penultimate crime syndicate involving everything from racketeering to rape. It is without peer. The Mafia is small potatoes.
The greatest gift we could give to the future generations would be the complete destruction of the United Nations and the detention of every person involved for questioning under waterboarding. There needs to be a massive effort to determine the various money trails for all the grand schemes through the last 60 years, with every penny accounted for.
Cool! Sort of like a confession in advance, with details!
BTW, the Fox report has a "reversed-sense" sentence,
But the lack of immunity is not keeping the UNFCCC from scaling back its ambitions." .
S/b "is not making UNFCC scale back" or "is not keeping the UNFCCC from scaling up its ambitions"
Aidan Donnelly
RockyRoad says:
First: King George had little say in things – Britain was and is governed by the House of Commons.
Second: The British had a world war to fight and a population uneasy about continuing to war against their relatives. So accepting the loss of the colonies due to the intervention of the French Army and Navy was considered the least costly option.
As I look around at the players, big and small, I wonder who is going to stop them as they grind on with Agenda 21? , this is just another step along that road…
Gail Combs
stpaulchuck says:
Straight out of the Maurice Strong/ Al Gore play book. Al Gore hyped Molten Metal as a glowing example of an eco-company during the First Earth Day celebration. The stock prices soared…
FORBES Saving the planet with Maurice Strong 01.12.98
…..Strong is up to his eyeballs in Molten Metal Technology, a busted handler of hazardous waste notorious for its flaky technology and ties to presidential hopeful Al Gore (FORBES, Jan. 22, 1996 and Apr. 21, 1997). A big contributor to Gore's campaigns, Molten Metals has surfaced in the Senate hearings on corrupt campaign financing.
A member of Molten's board, Strong sold some shares at around $31 apiece a month prior to the stock's October 1996 collapse. Today the stock is at 13 cents a share and Strong is being sued by San Diego class-action shark Milberg Weiss…..
One might conclude that Molten Metal was the "test case" Obama, Maurice Strong, Al Gore key players cashing in on Chicago Climate Exchange
Oh, and do not forget good old Maurice Strong was named in UN oil-for-food report
He also had a big hand in the idea of UN sanctions NGOs to push the UN agendas
…The concept of accreditation was pioneered by the IUCN, which successfully lobbied the UN to adopt ECOSOC Resolution 1296, May 23, 1968, authorizing the participation of accredited NGOs. Maurice Strong defined the role NGOs play, originally in preparation for the first Earth Summit in 1972, of which he served as Secretary General. Strong, more than any other individual, shaped the role of NGOs in UN activity by serving on the boards of the IUCN, the WWF and currently as Chairman of the WRI. While concurrently serving on the board of the Rockefeller, and other foundations, and serving several administrative capacities with the UN… http://freedom.org/el-97/sep97/glob-sep97.htm
Incestuous bunch aren't they.
Just remember that Maurice Strong had to flee to China to avoid prosecution in the UN food for Oil Scam. Soros has been convicted of insider dealing in France and fined $3 million, fined another $2 million in his native Hungary. His "foundations have been accused of shielding spies and breaking currency laws" and his investing strategy has been targeted for harming several national currencies. So of course they want immunity for their disregard for the law. In their minds they are Globalists and above the petty laws of provincial nations. Their loyaltly afterall is to "The Cause" and not to any nation.
Taphonomic
For some strange reason, the phrase: "Not just no, but hell no", pops to mind.
KenB
It should be the UN itself pushing for multi nation legal accountability as that is the only way of ensuring that organisational corruption is minimized. Pushing to avoid FOI and other checks and balances, and slip shod application of their own IPCC internal "accountability" procedures already raises alarm, immunity would be the icing on the cake for harm by agenda.
techgm
Add to the such-things list (only have it read as things expressly prohibited):
•	Sponsoring, funding, and/or promulgating demonstrably false data and studies about the climate or about any human activity related to or affected by climate.
•	Using demonstrably false data and studies to justify its activities and budgets, to justify the expansion of the scope of its activities, and/or to justify the expansion of its authority.
Failure to comply may result in personal criminal liability with corresponding sentences that include imprisonment and/or personal fines.
Anoneumouse
Shevva
Hey when playing Global Monopoly who doesn't want a get out of jail free card for life with the added bonus of mandating that only UNFCCC houses and hotels can be used at inflated prices.
The UN, EU and Peoples Republic of China really do have a lot in common don't they. It's for your own good don't ya know.
The UN needs to be defunded to the point where it can concentrate on it's charter mission and nothing else. I also advocate relocating it to Nunavut from New York City.
"Oh, this can't be good."
… Oh, but it could be perfect. Disband the b*****ds. There you go, fellers, you're immune.
We can dream.
D. King
The UNFCCC appears to be channeling Nixon!
Peter Miller
But think of all the culture and enlightenment you lost because a few colonists became a bit snotty about a half-mad king and his benevolent rule. Now you drive on the wrong side of the road, don't understand cricket and rarely drink tea – I can understand why you feel so deprived.
But I digress, the matter in hand is whether pointless, self-important, overpaid bureaucrats should have immunity from prosecution in what is likely to develop into a massive corruption scam. The answer is clearly "No", but did logic and 'doing the right thing' ever stop the bureaucrats at the UN from doing what was in their own best interests – once again, the answer is clearly "No.".
mizimi
In other words, we know we have already violated your rights and we've already stepped outside the boundaries of our commission and done things we know we were not mandated to do – and since you're probably going to find out and try to sue us……………we want immunity !
Pump in Billions and give them immunity from prosecution – what could possibly go wrong?
I think we can see exactly how one world government will operate. Anyone supporting Rio +20 should be dragged into the light of public accountability. Let them explain just why they signed their populations to measures that they know would never pass a ballot box.
Aidan Donnelly says:
…..As I look around at the players, big and small, I wonder who is going to stop them as they grind on with Agenda 21? , this is just another step along that road…
No one. It is already pretty much in place. link All they need to do is keep tightening the net. If anyone gets rowdy in the USA then we have the military of more than one nation ready to step in.
We lost the war when we allowed the power of FEMA to grow.
When we allowed Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 to be Repealed and the Patriot Act to be passed. The new Canada-U.S. military pact signed February 14 2008 doesn't help either.
US CIVIL ASSISTANCE PLAN – Commandement Canada
The purpose…is to provide a framework for the military of one nation to provide support to the military of the other in the performace of civil support operations (eg floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and effects of a terrorist attack)….
If ROE are required for CF personnel deployed in the United States to support the US forces engaged in Defense Support of Civil Authorities, the ROE will be requested by the Canadian Commander and Authorized in accordance with…
And there is more…
January 20, 2010 – President Obama establishes "Council of Governors"
The White House Office of the Press Secretary released a report on the White House web site titled "President Obama Signs Executive Order Establishing Council of Governors." According to the press release, "The President today [January 11, 2009] signed an Executive Order establishing a Council of Governors to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State Governments to protect our Nation against all types of hazards. When appointed, the Council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of the various States; homeland defense; civil support; synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities."
One recent move did backfire: Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations but that didn't stop them from spinning it. The Obama administrations Fast and Furious operation was fundamentally different than the Bush-era Operation Wide Receiver, but it should be an impetus for increased gun control, administration officials said in recent Senate Judiciary Committee hearings.
Given Head of Department of Homeland Security, Ms. Napolitano's compete disregard for the security at the Mexican border, one can assume external "terrorists" are not the target of these changes in US policy.
The terrorist threat to the U.S. homeland has continued to "evolve" and may now "be at its most heightened state" since the September 11, 2001, terror attacks…. "homegrown radicalization is a growing threat, and one we cannot ignore,"
Administration Will Cut Border Patrol Deployed on U.S-Mexico Border – September 24, 2009
Local Officials: Border Crime On The Rise – January 6, 2011
…Ms. Napolitano attempts to justify to lawmakers a 30 percent budget reduction for U.S. Customs and Border Protection…March 17, 2010
Obama administration scraps border fence
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2008/0401/p01s05-usgn.html
…the Secure Fence Act was enacted in 2006.
The law instructed the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to secure about one-third of the 1,950-mile border between US and Mexico with 700 miles of double-layered fencing – and additionally through cameras, motion sensors, and other types of barriers – by the end of the year to stem illegal immigration.
Bankrolled by a separate $1.2 billion homeland security bill, the Secure Fence Act would, President Bush said in 2006, "make our borders more secure."
The fence that has been built has been thanks to volunteers link
Is there a real threat?
Radical Islam makes inroads among Latin America's Native peoples – February 21, 2010
Officials have confirmed a book known for celebrating suicide bombers was found in the Arizona desert.
"We've found copies of the Koran, we have found prayer rugs, we have found a lot of stuff written in Arabic, so it's not just people from Mexico coming across that border,"
Now where is _Jim with his SNARK calling me a "Conspiracy Theorist" for stringing together a bunch of news stories???
How about flipping this around? Prosecute them before they do anything. Just on general principles. Makes as much sense as giving immunity.
Don Keiller
That they want this immunity says it all.
They are corrupt and they know it.
Jason Calley
What?! Gambling in Casablanca?! I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
The "military-industrial complex" which Eisenhower warned against has now metastasized into a global governmental-financial-corporate complex. The default assumption should be that ALL people involved with its functions are criminals until shown to be otherwise.
Are we about to learn of a new scandal like Climategate ?
makes you wonder when you see them ask for immunity.
Research grant fraud, conspiracy and serious fraud are missing in the list.
Oh, HELL no!
Spot-on Brian. Clever, isn't it? Then they'll all be able to say it was in the smallprint – not their fault if nobody was actually looking. It's outrageous, but just watch the mainstream media all look the other way at the Rio Jamboree…
kim2ooo
They have been trying since at least 2010
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2010/sbi/eng/l09.pdf
All people are equal before the law, but some are more equal than others.
Charles S. Opalek, PE
It is way overdue to expose the IPCC, it's predecessor the UNFCCC, and it's founder, high-school drop-out and scam artist Maurice Strong, for the scoundrels that they are.
Gunga Din
"No controlling legal authority." Where have we heard that before?
No offense to our British friends but, didn't we "decentralize" from the 1700's British monarchy for the purpose of securing rights for the individual? Why are we "recentralizing" authority over us via the UN?
If the science is so clear and unambiguous then why worry. You are simply doing the right thing to avert disaster. Or do they know they are talking CRAP and future generations may take them to court for their crimes against humanity. I say crimes against humanity because if we did everything they suggest many millions will die (food for fuel anyone?).
It isn't just the science.
It's asking for immunity for UNCC schemces…i.e . carbon credits schemes…AND the Bankers who handle the funds. Think…. World Bank.
http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/tag/green-climate-fund-immunity-from-prosecution/
Given the UNFCCC this, makes as much sense as given Charles Manson control of a children's day care center . If your looking for truly epic scale corruption and incompetence, you have no difficulty finding it at the UN.
No offense to our British friends but, didn't we "decentralize" from the 1700′s British monarchy for the purpose of securing rights for the individual? Why are we "recentralizing" authority over us via the UN?
Because the British got it back in 1913 – you just didn't notice.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/The.History.of.the.Money.Changers.htm
ntesdorf
They want to be protected from the results of their actions, so we immediately know that they know that the result of their actions could, would and probably will be deleterious to a very big number of people in the World Population.
George E. Smith;
"""""…..UNFCCC wants 'immunity' from prosecution prior to Rio+20……""""""
I don't have a problem with granting them immunity from prosecution; it's easier that way anyhow; so Just hang them all, and forget about prosecuting them.
Someone can always claim to be immune from consequence.
But having that in fact is another matter – just ask Muammar Ghadaffi, Saddam Hussain, et al
"Father forgive us for we know exactly what we are doing."
Unelected, and immune from prosecution. It's the Divine Right of Kings all over again.
All other areas of business have a duty of care. If they cause loss they are held accountable through the Courts for it. Immunity should not be granted. In fact normal law should apply.
Larry Ledwick (hotrod )
Nuts!!
CRS, Dr.P.H.
They should just move their organization to Chicago. Then, they'd have nothing to worry about.
Merovign
No. With an extra helping of no, and no on top. Side dish of no. To drink? No.
H. R. : More like "Father, forgive me for what I am planning to do."
Kitler
Typical sociopathic behaviour.
Rhys Jaggar
Next they'll ask for immunity from a bullet.
Unfortunately, if they refuse challenge in a law court, they may die from the barrel of a gun.
Analysis of history, not an exhortation to action, you understand……
The Claw
Wunderbar !
Wer ist der UNFCCC eigentlich ?
Address …
UNFCCC secretariat
Haus Carstanjen
Martin-Luther-King-Strasse 8
Phone: (49-228) 815-1000
Fax: (49-228) 815-1999
Web: http://unfccc.int
Maybe a pre-emptive tribunal held in Kualar Lumpur might help! – sarcasm off 😉
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