Cpn-related research: Member-posted
ozone therapy, antibacterial ???
Anyone know anything about ozone therapy ? Just found some info about this on the web since i have a place that does this in my city.Not sure if its worth trying though.....http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19455984 This study was done by injecting i think, but the place near me does some kind of sauna and then sprays you with ozone....Supposed to be antibacterial. Is it dangerous ?
Norman Yarvin
7 Sep 2011 12:10 pm
Ozone is antibacterial.
Ozone is antibacterial. It's also antiviral, antifungal, anti-insect, and just generally inimical to life, including yours. There would be no "spraying" people with ozone — it's a gas, not a liquid. (Rocketry people were at one point trying to liquify ozone, and use it as an oxidizer; but that proved too crazy even for them. The liquid, you see, has an annoying tendency to explode with little or no provocation.)
There is much political fooferaw in the US, at the moment, as to whether the present ozone limit of 100 parts per billion is okay, or whether it should be reduced (at great cost) to 70 parts per billion. That's billion with a 'b'; it's really a very unfriendly substance: a highly reactive oxidizer which tries to oxidize everything it touches. It's probably too reactive to make it into you, and instead would just expend itself chewing on the surface of your lungs.
Thank you Norman, that
Thank you Norman, that doesnt sound very pleasant ! hehe
Treating PPMS with Azithromycin, Minocycline, Rifampin.
Numerous MD's offer it as a
Numerous MD's offer it as a treatment. You can review it on Wikipedia Ozone Therapy. There is much debate about the uses. I just started researching it as a way to build up the immune system. I am also reviewing UV Blood Radiation. Dr. Rowen is a big proponent and I get his newsletter. There are several MD's in Texas that offer that also. I ordered a couple of books and will take a couple of months to research it.So far it looks somewhat expensive but if you have a way to get it by the drink perhaps not so bad. The first Houston doctor I contacted wants 250/per IV session. There is concern about colapsed veins after a number of uses. That does not sound too good!All the Best, Fresh Air
Diagnosed with CP, Lyme, EBV, HHV-6 on 6/28/11. Started on NAC & Mino 2x daily. Started zith MWF 7/30/11. Continue to use Buhner Protocol for Lyme. CD57 at 59.
The quacks, er, "numerous
The quacks, er, "numerous MDs" who offer it as a treatment may be charging big money for it, but really ozone is cheap. You can buy or easily make an ozone generator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone#Laboratory_production
As for intravenous use, usually you wouldn't want to inject yourself with anything you'd made up yourself; but ozone is reactive enough that your solution will be sterile; so you'd only have to worry about chemical contamination, not microbiological contamination. (Well, that's assuming your machine works; if it doesn't, you'd again have to worry about microbes.) Even for a pure solution of ozone, though, collapsed veins sound like a real danger, what with ozone's proclivity to oxidize anything and everything it touches.
As for buying ozone in a bottle, the problem with that is that it tends to decay to ordinary oxygen. (Or, for that matter, expend itself chewing on the inside of the bottle).
Plus, oxygen in all its
Plus, oxygen in all its forms and wherever it ends up is very explosive: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/hse8.pdf http://www.ozoneapplications.com/info/ozone_msds.htm ..........................Sarah A Journey through Light and Shadow
Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent. Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.
Oxygen is highly explosive
Oxygen is highly explosive only when compressed in a cylinder. Oxygen which we breath isn't explosive at all. And ozone is the most unstable compound both in gas and a liquid form. Actually in liquid form there is only gas form which tends to release into the air. Ozone and it's active part free radical of oxygen O. is harmful to body. We eat supplements (antioxidants)to eliminate the effect of free radicals and are we going to increase much the amount of free radicals in our body? The radicals of oxygen that cause oxidation. It doesn't matter what way we are trying to get ozone into body.
MS for more than 30 years, WP since July 08, break Jan 09-March 09. NAC 2x600mg, Doxy 2x100mg, Roxi 2x150mg, Entizol in pulzes, LDN, supplements.Since May 2013 without abx.
Evita, our atmosphere
Evita, our atmosphere contains 21% oxygen. If the proportion becomes much more than that, fire or worse can easily ensue. That is why people using canisters of oxygen to breathe are discouraged from smoking whilst using oxygen ..........................Sarah A Journey through Light and Shadow
While oxygen systems pose
While oxygen systems pose explosion danger, it's always via the oxygen mixing with fuel; pure oxygen can't explode. Pure ozone, in contrast, does explode. Not that it's a real issue, here: the concentration of ozone that ozone machines produce, or that quacks might administer to you, aren't going to be anywhere near high enough to be explosive. But the explosiveness is due to the same high reactivity that makes ozone dangerous even in low concentrations.
Sarah and Norman you are
Sarah and Norman you are both right. No fire can be without oxygen and if there is no flammable matter and no ignition there is also no fire. The more oxygen the more fire and also an explosion may be there. The canyster of oxygen is dangerous when there is close any open fire. I used oxygen from the canyster as the therapy when I was last at the spa. It did nothing for me. I thought it would help me but there were no result. I think I walked even worse and I had dizziness immediately after the therapy and also later after the therapy there was no result, no improvement. But immediately after the swimming in the open air in mineral water I walked as a healthy one and also the stay for a few hours in the mountains helps me. So natural oxygen in the clean air is the best for me and I think for everyone.
Erin1894
Ozone Therapy Takes Many Forms
I have an Integrative Medicine Doctor (real MD, but also practices Chinese Medicine) and he's the one who finally diagnosed my CpN. It took a decade of seeing so many specialists who simply scratched their heads. Anyway, this doctor offers IV Ozone Therapy. I've done a lot of research on it and it looks extremely promising. The drawback? It's expensive. His machine is called a 10-Pass, meaning it draws your blood up into a small, hyperbaric chamber where it's mixed with ozone, then pumped back into your body - ten times per session. Logically, this is ten times as effective as getting a single IV dose of ozone, which I've done. The cost per session for the "single pass" was about $120. The cost per session for 10-Pass is $600. Great deal, right? Except the doctor recommended ten sessions (two per week for five weeks) for a total cost of $6,000. He said that CpN has to be attacked hard and fast. One or two sessions every now and then will only give the bacteria a chance to replicate so unless I can afford ten sessions in quick succession, he said I'd be wasting my time and money. If I had the money, I'd jump at it. But I've been sick so long that I'm currently on Disability.
So, I'm trying MMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement. Very controversial. Loads of people loving it and equal amounts of people saying it's quackery. But I consulted with my Integrative Medicine Doctor. He said he's heard of it and likes it. So, onward.
Also, important: Ozone is an oxidizer, which is a destroyer. For it to work, you can't take antioxidants or you'll be neutralizing its effect. But, as I understand it, ozone stays in your body for only an hour, so after your treatment (if you're going the ozone route), then take your antioxidants because you're going to need to clean up all those free radicals that oxidization creates. It's a delicate balance.
Also, enzymes and essential oils to dissolve the biofilm protecting the CpN. Again, lots of videos on YouTube on dissolving biofilms. CpN isn't the only bacteria that thrives in biofilm so don't necessarily do a search for CpN - search for biofilms.
Was just diagnosed with Cpn via a DNA blood panel. It's taken 10 years to get this diagnosis. Alternative medical doctor recommends IV ozone. Can't afford to try it. Anyone tried MMS?
In reply to Ozone Therapy Takes Many Forms by Erin1894
No matter how desperate I…
No matter how desperate I was, I would never use something which is essentially bleach. https://www.food.gov.uk/business-guidance/miracle-mineral-solution-and-…
Neuro symptoms & many health problems from 1989. NAC+all supps(04/11) CAP(05/11-10/17&01/20-)
Goodness, no: steer clear!
Goodness, no: Steer clear, and not just from MMS!
In reply to Goodness, no: steer clear! by Sarah
Actually Feeling Better
Well, I am trying it. It tastes like crap, but after a couple of weeks at a relatively low dose, I actually feel better. My brain fog is clearing up, my mood is better, and my body aches are diminishing. So I'm going to keep at it. I'll keep you posted.