Tiers within the T14: what are yours?
Hi, everybody! Another personal ranking quiz inspired by the discussions on TLS. No doubt the T14 law schools are the best in America, but they are not necessarily on the same level in terms of (international) reputation, academic quality and career prospects. Indeed, there are tiers within that group. What are yours LLM-wise?
This ranking aims to reflect the overall prestige and academic quality, regardless of outstanding reputation in a particular field or preferences for academic career, Biglaw/private practice, government/IO jobs.
Some of you may disagree, and I would like to hear your arguments and see your rankings as well. Admittedly, it could be misleading to measure qualitative criteria, as law schools rise and fall in the rankings over a period of time. To quote Brian Leiter: "Circa 1960, for example, it would have been common to think of Yale, Harvard, and Columbia as clearly the top three law schools, with Penn, Michigan, and perhaps Chicago just a notch below. Stanford rose to prominence during the 1950s and 1960s, and Chicago's competitive position improved significantly with the rise of law-and-economics in the 1970s, where it was the primary innovator. NYU and Georgetown both became far more prominent schools starting in the 1970s as well. Columbia slipped out of the "top 3" during the 1960s, Penn slipped out of "the top five" by the 1970s, and Michigan did the same in the 1990s" (http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2009job_teaching.shtml ).
I also believe that this ranking applies nationally and internationally.
[quote]Hi, everybody! Another personal ranking quiz inspired by the discussions on TLS. No doubt the T14 law schools are the best in America, but they are not necessarily on the same level in terms of (international) reputation, academic quality and career prospects. Indeed, there are tiers within that group. What are yours LLM-wise?
I'm sorry, but CLS doesn't belong to tier-1. HYS are in a different league. Graduate admission standards in HYS are much, much higher than CLS.
1. Harvard, Yale and Stanford.
2. Columbia, Penn, NYU and Chicago.
Also within group 4 I would also include UCLA, USC and Boston, and within the group 5 Texas, Vandy and Washington St. Louis.
I do not take in account the academics, since In my opinion the rankings have a good approach to this (JD programs).
It depends what country you're coming from. I would say that the first post is more accurate outside of the US where employers are less up to date with moves in US university rankings.
Yes but its a clear cut fact that Columbia is not in the same league with HYS.
Also Upenn isn't in the same league with CCN. Although it is a very very slight difference, But still there's a difference.