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Three Minnesota Babies Were Born Alive in Botched Abortions: Here's What Happened to Them
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US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor
KJohnson said: ↑
Be careful, you're making far too much sense and it might actually permeate the average sociopath mind which would probably cause them to self destruct. Hmm....if only.
Can't help but notice is the same side that likes children taking hormones and being transgender, etc.
US Conservative, Jul 11, 2019
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Bowerbird said: ↑
Really? Then illegal babies are not worth saving? Are "black" babies with less just because they are no longer inside the womb?
I'm just saying we have a heavier burden than most developed countries.
Texas Republican, Jul 11, 2019
Daniel Light said: ↑
If all you got is bombastic hyperbole and idiotic bumper-sticker logic, why do you bother posting? Nobody is going to take you seriously.
You know I was over at democrat underground today and guess what they think?
They think republicans pointing out how far left they have gone is a ploy-and to prove it they are going to move further left.
Mass delusion.
jay runner Well-Known Member
Yep repulicans sure do care about the living
Mississippi has little public debt, low taxes, and more people working than ever before.
In 1988 you could put the elected Mississippi republicans in a phone booth. It won't never be like that again.
jay runner, Jul 11, 2019
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By not making laws more explicit referring to only allowed in cases when the baby is severely deformed and/or brain dead per se, wonder how many women just decide they don't want the baby after something changes in their lives?
For example women trying to get revenge against the father bc they found out he cheated and they know he wanted the child? I can definitely see some doing that. Or how about the couple deciding to divorce and neither wanting to take on the responsibility?
Changes in living arrangements or loss of job could come into play. In other words there could be a multitude of reasons that could make women change their minds even when a perfectly health baby is involved. So no, women should not be allowed to make that decision.
And correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding doctors can detect most or all physical problems in the 1st or second trimester while the child is still in the womb?
I mean think about it....Planned Parenthood is NOT doing this to help women. It's purely a money making - MONEY LAUNDERING operation.
The dems give them free reign to make money on abortions and the sale of body parts while also receiving funds by tax payers. To keep this very lucrative operation going, they kick back to the democrats with campaign contributions. So, its simply a version of money laundering.
Too much hogwash to refute it all but how about you show proof that Planned Parenthood made a profit selling human parts....
I know, you can't because it never happened...
Then show proof that Planned Parenthood, despite multiple audits proving they didn't use taxes for abortions, used taxes for abortions.
Why do you hate an entity that provides birth control so there will be less unwanted pregnancies/??? That seems stupid..
FoxHastings, Jul 11, 2019
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If your only rebuttal is a blog, people are going to take you EVEN LESS seriously than they already do.
Daniel Light, Jul 11, 2019
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By the end of Trumps second term, this won't really be an issue, at least at the federal level.
Then dems in each state can explain why they support infanticide.
Derideo_Te Well-Known Member
Texas Republican said: ↑
The stats are skewed by our black underclass that refuses to join mainstream society and our 22+ million illegals.
The FACTS that you don't want to face is that the WHITE UNDERCLASS is way bigger and there are MORE illegitimate white babies than blacks which means they MUST be the PRIMARY cause for infant mortality.
http://www.aei.org/publication/the-coming-white-underclass/
The real news of that study is that the proportion of single mothers with less than a high school education jumped to 48 percent from 35 percent in a single decade.
These numbers are dominated by whites. Breaking down the numbers by race (using data not available in the published version), women with college degrees contribute only 4 percent of white illegitimate babies, while women with a high school education or less contribute 82 percent. Women with family incomes of $75,000 or more contribute 1 percent of white illegitimate babies, while women with family incomes under $20,000 contribute 69 percent.
The National Longitudinal Study of Youth, a Labor Department study that has tracked more than 10,000 youths since 1979, shows an even more dramatic picture. For white women below the poverty line in the year prior to giving birth, 44 percent of births have been illegitimate, compared with only 6 percent for women above the poverty line. White illegitimacy is overwhelmingly a lower-class phenomenon.
This brings us to the emergence of a white underclass. In raw numbers, European-American whites are the ethnic group with the most people in poverty, most illegitimate children, most women on welfare, most unemployed men, and most arrests for serious crimes,
That was from 1993. It hasn't improved since then.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2012/10/66-americas-growing-underclass/3618/
The 66%: America's Growing Underclass
For almost two-thirds of us, the American Dream is a virtual impossibility.
Income and wealth inequality have risen to record levels in the United States. Even as cities have become the new social and economic organizing units of our increasingly spiky world, their inequalities are approaching levels found in Third World nations.
Over at the Midwesterner, Richard Longworth alerts us to this growing crisis:
Leave Manhattan and the Loop, head east from Seattle or north from the Bos-wash Corridor, hit the interstates through the Midwest and the South, plunge into the empty and echoing hearts of Detroit or Cleveland or the arid reaches of the Great Plains, and another America emerges. …
This is the land of double-wides and dollar stores, of closed mills and mines, of bankrupt towns, of casinos paying minimum wage to laid-off auto workers, of once-vibrant cities -- from Newton in Iowa to Rockford in Illinois, to Terre Haute and Muncie in Indiana to Mansfield and Lima in Ohio, and onto Syracuse and Buffalo in New York -- all created to serve industries or corporations that have gone away. ...
This includes inner-city blacks stranded in their ghettoes, a million Hispanic immigrants scrambling for a toehold, and many of the city's whites, high school grads or even college grads tending bars or stocking shelves at Target. Not that they're unemployed: many of these people have jobs, sometimes two or three jobs. They used to be middle class. If they owned a home, it's foreclosed now. Their kids won't go to college.
America's stark class divides are a product of its ongoing economic transformation.
The math is terrifying. Add the ranks of the unemployed, the displaced, and the disconnected to these tens of millions of low-wage service workers, and the population of post-industrialism's left-behinds surges to as many as two-thirds of all Americans. This is a much larger, and perhaps more permanent, version of the economic, social, and cultural underclass that Michael Harringtonlong ago dubbed "the other America." In fact, it is our majority.
Yes, it's that many and it's that bad.
Worse yet, the ranks of the 66 percent are a product of the very structure of post-industrial capitalism.
That was 2012. Let's take a look at 2016.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-original-underclass/492731/
The Original Underclass
Poor white Americans' current crisis shouldn't have caught the rest of the country as off guard as it has.
Today, less privileged white Americans are considered to be in crisis, and the language of sociologists and pathologists predominates. Charles Murray's Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960–2010 was published in 2012, and Robert D. Putnam's Our Kids: The American Dream in Crisis came out last year. From opposite ends of the ideological spectrum, they made the case that social breakdown among low-income whites was starting to mimic trends that had begun decades earlier among African Americans: Rates of out-of-wedlock births and male joblessness were rising sharply. Then came the stories about a surge in opiate addiction among white Americans, alongside shocking reports of rising mortality rates (including by suicide) among middle-aged whites.
Writing for National Review in March, the conservative provocateur Kevin Williamson shoveled scorn on the low-income white Republican voters who, as he saw it, were most responsible for the rise of Trump:
Nothing happened to them. There wasn't some awful disaster. There wasn't a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence—and the incomprehensible malice—of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain't what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.
The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs … The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump's speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin.​
Analysis on the left has been less gratuitously nasty but similarly harsh in its insinuation. Several prominent liberals have theorized that what's driving rising mortality and drug and alcohol abuse among white Americans is, quite simply, despair over the loss of their perch in the country's pecking order. "So what is happening?" asked Josh Marshall on his "Talking Points Memo" blog in December. "Let's put this clearly," he said in wrapping up his analysis of the dismal health data. "The stressor at work here is the perceived and real loss of the social and economic advantages of being white."
The barely veiled implication, whichever version you consider, is that the people undergoing these travails deserve relatively little sympathy—that they maybe, kinda had this reckoning coming. Either they are layabouts drenched in self-pity or they are sad cases consumed with racial status anxiety and animus toward the nonwhites passing them on the ladder. Both interpretations are, in their own ways, strikingly ungenerous toward a huge number of fellow Americans.
So when it comes to being an UNDERCLASS there really is no distinction between blacks and whites except that there are WAY MORE whites than blacks who are members of the underclass.
Derideo_Te, Jul 12, 2019
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Actually you are wrong because detecting certain physical deformities incompatible with life only start to show up on sonograms in the late 2nd and 3rd trimesters. The imaging is just not accurate enough given how small the fetus is for early detection. Yes, there is ongoing research to improve these images but they are still in the development phase and a long way from general availability.
That DEBUNKED bovine excrement about "selling body parts" was exposed as being made up crap by the extremist anti-abortionist who ended up becoming a convicted criminal.
KJohnson Well-Known Member
I'm sure that's not what Texas meant. He's usually very level headed and not a racist radical. So please stop already with the trying to spin his text to fit your "Gotcha" narrative.
KJohnson, Jul 12, 2019
Derideo_Te said: ↑
Ok IF that's true and they can't find problems until the 3rd trimester, legislation needs to address that as to where the line is drawn. No child should die just bc of Down syndrome. Nor should the parents be saddled with that problem which could ruin their lives, I get that. So how about they become wards of the state? But whatever, we simply can't have babies who may even be perfectly healthy murdered on the table after botched abortions.
This decision should not be left to the mother to decide who may be a cold hearted btch that just doesn't want to be bothered. Someone needs to fight for these babies who can't fight for themselves.
As it now is whoever decides decides, but the fact is that abortion makes the black race weaker and the other races stronger.
jay runner said: ↑
How does that work?
Do you think black women having the same rights as white women make them weaker?
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There are NO "babies" who are "perfectly healthy murdered on the table after botch abortions". That is just the bovine excrement that those opposed to Women's rights spout because they want to INFLAME emotions. Instead there are some exceptionally rare instances where women, in consultation with their doctors, choose an alternative abortion procedure. This option is chosen because the woman WANTED to have a child and has become attached to her fetus even though it has ZERO chances of survival even using heroic measures in an NICU. She knows this so she arranges for the abortion to be done in such a manner that will give her the opportunity to hold it while it dies.
This COMPASSIONATE approach to an abortion is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you erroneously alleged regarding being "murdered on the table" and "cold hearted btch".
That those opposed to Women's rights use this kind of DISHONEST RHETORIC instead of providing the FACTS exposes just how WEAK and EMPTY their position actually is on this matter.
Abortions are intensely PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS made by women who are actually making a decision as to what is best for their EXISTING children in 50% of all cases. The FRACTION of LATE TERM abortions are for women who WANT to have a child but who are UNFORTUNATE enough to be those whose fetus does NOT develop normally.
So there are NO "babies who can't fight for themselves". That too is another load of bovine excrement. No medical doctor would RISK their own LICENSE in order to abort a "healthy 3rd term fetus".
Now if you REALLY want to REDUCE abortions by 40% I recommend that you start demanding that Long Acting Reversible Contraceptives (LARC's) be made available to every women who wants one. Yes, they are more expensive but they are way more EFFECTIVE and the additional expense would go a very long way towards achieving the goal of reducing abortions.
Why does NO ONE who is opposed to abortion talking about doing something SANE and REASONABLE like that?
Moonglow Well-Known Member
View attachment 90688 View attachment 90687 This is why democrats are pushing late term abortions. The older the fetus, the more money that's paid for the parts. This while they pretend to care about illegal children separated or put in cages.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019/july/three-minnesota-babies-were-born-alive-in-botched-abortions-heres-what-happened-to-them?amp?espv=1
Damn capitalism..!!
Moonglow, Jul 12, 2019
TurnerAshby Well-Known Member
Only half true, yes true they don't care about Americans but they love illegals bc they plan to use their votes in 2020.
OMG you bigot, Democrats aren't for open borders or 3rd trimester abortions even though many of our leaders have either explicitly said so or hem hawed around it. I bet you listen to breitfart ugh!
TurnerAshby, Jul 12, 2019
"Abortions are intensely PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS made by women who are actually making a decision as to what is best for their EXISTING children in 50% of all cases. The FRACTION of LATE TERM abortions are for women who WANT to have a child but who are UNFORTUNATE enough to be those whose fetus does NOT develop normally."
How do you know who the woman is prioritizing when making the decision to have an abortion? What you write makes it seem as though every woman is mother Theresa
How long have women had access to birth control?
Why is it that it's 2019 and there is still no birth control for men and little funding for research?
Seems strange to me
BS....the fact that there are no restrictions placed on abortions all the way up to and including after the mother gives birth leaves that door open and up to the mother so even if dems claim this, knowing there are women capable of anything, it's obviously BS.
And who trusts dems to tell the truth about anything when there's money and power involved? I truly believe they would have no problem harvesting baby parts. Makes sense. So just bc you or any other democrat fighting for abortions claims it isn't true, since you have skin in the game, I say BS.
Normally one might run to websites to get those answers but that's changed.
These days to make rational decisions knowing there is so much fake news everywhere, one has to consider past history of individuals or party affiliation and facilitate their own common sense to try and reach the truth. Historically, especially since the Obama admin, the democratic party has proven themselves to lack all integrity and be beyond corrupt capable of anything if it means gaining money and power.
TurnerAshby said: ↑
Thank you for establishing that you have never bothered to acquaint yourself with any of the relevant FACTS prior to commenting on the topic.
https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion
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It's a mental illness. Obviously when considering what they're agreeing to, such as open borders, abolishing DHS, ICE, and border patrol, while claiming they want to give everyone invading, healthcare, free college, and all other gov programs, anyone on board with this needs a lobotomy bc they're obviously insane.
Cognitive dissonance does not alter factual reality!
You cannot PROVE any of your BOGUS allegations above.
Unless you/they have a machine to read minds there is no way to know
So according to you women always lie when answering anonymous surveys?