Queen invented hiphop....
The Fairy King
19.03.2004 19:05 ...with Another One Bites The Dust?
well they claim it in the Killer Queen documentary...
is this true? Cuz if so...i want to ask them...
WHY GOD WHYYYYYY ;) maybe we wouldn't have fuckers like Nelly n 50 cent and other shite....
19.03.2004 21:32 Thats quite blatently not true. Hip Hop obviously came out of rap, which began in Jamaica with DJs "rapping" over records they were spinning, mainly reggae (surprisingly enough).
Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach
19.03.2004 21:46 Before Queen no music existed at all. Apart from Smile mucking about.
That was a broadcast by the Stepford Party.
20.03.2004 00:37 Hehe... nice one Arch.
Iam the one
20.03.2004 01:37 What the fuck who cares about hip hop??
20.03.2004 03:18 Lots of old people need hip ops, so they probably care a great deal.
Josuè
20.03.2004 05:11 Yes, they invented Hip Hop and all the kind of magic, sorry, music that nowadays exist.
20.03.2004 12:02 "who cares about hip hop??"
Uhmm... most teenagers in the US. It has become their culture. For anyone who listens to music more than casually, I think their intelligence is in most cases directly proportional to the music they listen to. So with that theory, look at this generation of kids who listen to rap music and cast your vote.
siljeoen
20.03.2004 15:15 -so sad...
20.03.2004 15:17 Go, go, go go shorty its your birthday, we're gonna party like its yer birthday.
Daburcor?
20.03.2004 15:19 "Hip-hop, a - hipt ta thu hibby to tha hip-hip-hop and ya don't stop-a-rocking..."
They should've called themselves "The Apple Dumpling Gang". ;)
Dances With Freddie
20.03.2004 16:01 ""Hip-hop, a - hipt ta thu hibby to tha hip-hip-hop and ya don't stop-a-rocking...""
LMAO, it's so.......so sick! LOL
20.03.2004 16:04 Well, I'm glad I could... uhhh... Sicken you? Okaaaaay...
20.03.2004 16:06 you made me laugh, that's for sure. thanks :)
20.03.2004 16:09 Well, good! Giving a laugh is better than being sickening I should think! :D
20.03.2004 16:11 agreed. :)
23.03.2004 04:44 If "Nelly n 50 cent and other shite...." would play something like Another One Bites The Dust continueing the saint work of Queen, I'd call them GODS. hehehe ;*
23.03.2004 04:56 i'd call them cunts :P
23.03.2004 05:01 hehehe :)
dufffff
hahahaaaaa
Azmandaman
23.03.2004 05:04 Queens' versatility no doubt tasted and created the most funky urban tunes that there ever was... and to the focused minded yeah they probably invented hip hop in their eyes... but the rock gods went down this ally to really get the attention of all you music lovers in the world thats it.
Queen invented hip hop is just as lame as No Doubt invented reggae and ska lol!
but one thing for sure they have in common is they used those riddims and made sucess!!
Queen is a rockers delight of a band I think! cos their catalogue is not strictly rock.... and for all of you music store lovers it aint strictly pop!
iGSM
23.03.2004 06:35 Yes, although I did say that other day
'Fuck these fucking bastards! I'll kill the man who invented hip-hop!'...then I realised my one true purpose on Earth...to kill John Deacon...and Freddie Mercury....again!
Trisonic77
24.03.2004 16:58 Actually I think Brian May invented rap with wwry. Think about it it has only a simple backbeat most of the way through and Freddie is more talking than singing. This predates aobtd by 3 years. Think about that shit , it is mind blowing ..... wooooo.
Mr.Jingles
24.03.2004 17:37 That's about as dumb saying that The Police invented reggae. 'Another One Bites The Dust' is not even hip-hop, but a funk song.
Hip hop already existed before 'Another One Bites The Dust'. Sugar Gang Hill had perhaps the first hip-hop Top 40 hit with 'Rapper's Delight' in 1979. The genre already existed as an underground cult form of music. The only reason why hip-hop didn't become popular instantly was because it was too overshadowed by disco. Once disco died hip-hop had it's way open to those who were tired of disco (pretty much everyone) and become popular as a new experimental form of funk.
Shane Jazz
24.03.2004 17:44 I keep reading in snobby album review guides that Queen stole the bass riff from Chic's Good Times..It is similar, but do you think it's a rip off? The bass player from Chic actually said in an interview once that John Deacon was in the studio hangin' with them around that time.
Antici...pation
24.03.2004 17:56 " "who cares about hip hop??"
Uhmm... most teenagers in the US. It has become their culture. For anyone who listens to music more than casually, I think their intelligence is in most cases directly proportional to the music they listen to. So with that theory, look at this generation of kids who listen to rap music and cast your vote."
uh not I, I DONT listen to hip hop, and I promised myself I wouldn't, ... Its stupid shit...
goinback
25.03.2004 09:21 Rap can be traced back to the Rolling Stones' "Shattered" too.
So is most of the Top 40 in other parts of the world all hip-hop/rap too (like here in the US)? Do you all think it's going to start evening-out more so that EVERYTHING isn't hip-hop like it is now?!?
I used to like hip-hop...in 1984....
25.03.2004 09:25 'Uhmm... most teenagers in the US. It has become their culture. For anyone who listens to music more than casually, I think their intelligence is in most cases directly proportional to the music they listen to. So with that theory, look at this generation of kids who listen to rap music and cast your vote.'
Bravo Bob. Well said.
Rap, Hip-hop, and other types of that 'music' lead to other things as well. But I won't get into that here.
25.03.2004 09:51 Turns you into a right wanker I tells ya.
I hate those doof doof boys you hear at the lights heaving it up with their pimp dog homeslice G, mix-o-matic!
Mind you I usually murder them and eat their skull later on.
25.03.2004 10:15 Hip hop and rap is one of the "music styles" that should not be called Music IMHO.And sadly there is sooo much hip hop these days...
Long gone melody and harmonic progressions that characterized the good quality music once upon a time.Now its all about someone talking as fast as he can rapping as many lyrics as he can and a chorus that has "something"that is suppesed to be a catchy melody line so that people can remember the song...in this category lies Eminem and so many more...
I have been studying music for 15years,I have heard so many musical styles and I appreciate the ones who really have something to give.
Once more IMHO hip hop and rap should not be called music but maybe "poetry with a musical texture".
Queen were nothing like hip hop.
They were musicians.
Queen4ever
25.03.2004 23:10 well,it's all about the words in the lyrics of a song. What kind of message it's sending to people, that's all. I like all kinds of music, but I sway more to rock.
25.03.2004 23:44 I like music with chords in it :)
27.03.2004 02:34 "Queen were nothing like hip hop.
They were musicians."
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen!!!
27.03.2004 04:45 Yo hiphop is music ya narrow n' focused minders... my ex band did alot of hip hop and ska stuff live and in the end its all about the musical riddims baby not the generator...
before we get technical about who has the best musical generator a guy with a guitar or a group with a karaoke machine and a scrartch decks.
as long as they make the beats bounce its music.... som of you might aswell say clappin your hands is not musical as it requiers little musical technology to make the sound, instead of freely hassling over technologied Djs. lol!
any thing else not music???? I hate pop.... but hey only to an extent cos if I look in any music megastores around the world Queen is degraded into the pop section!
27.03.2004 12:13 Whatever man.... Rap and hip-hop are not music!
I've spent my entire life listening to classical and rock music, educating myself to be the best musician I can be; words can barely describe how incredibly insulted I feel every time I hear that a rap song has gone to #1. What has that rapper done in his life? Commit two murders, do a hell of a lot of drugs, and freestyle a bunch of words (mostly manufactured ghetto language) and get a hit song? And no, I'm not being stereotypical. Just look at the bios of of today's rap "stars".
And look at the videos... making women out to be objects, and trying to show that life is all about playing basketball and going to clubs to pick up girls... not to mention spreading the message that the sluttiest-looking girls are the ones the rapper will want.
Garbage. Pure, grade A garbage. It's ruining our society, and the creative potential of our young generation. I fear for the future of the next generation of kids.
27.03.2004 12:45 You are preaching to the chior my friend. That was the best post I have read. Are reading my mind....again? LOL your great Bob.
Hank H.
27.03.2004 14:00 Guitar Hero, it's possible to make intelligent hip-hop and you should know that as a person who is interested in music in general.
"words can barely describe how incredibly insulted I feel every time I hear that a rap song has gone to #1. words can barely describe how incredibly insulted I feel every time I hear that a rap song has gone to #1."
I don't understand how anyone could ever feel insulted by a song that goes to #1. If you do, there must be a lot of other things that insult you in the same sense…
Also, I think you generalize way too much, as well as you exaggerate. Of course I agree about "the" videos, though I don't give a fuck for the videos the are played on MTV. What other videos there have an intelligent message? It's a waste of time to watch most of them, not only hip-hop.
"What has that rapper done in his life? Commit two murders, do a hell of a lot of drugs, and freestyle a bunch of words (mostly manufactured ghetto language) and get a hit song?"
You describe a minority and pass sentence about a genre. You only think of the commercially oriented pseudo-rappers. There is a lot more out there to discover which sounds fab IMHO.
"It's ruining our society, and the creative potential of our young generation."
Completely wrong. It's a development in music, you know, and a highly creative as well. It has created a whole branche of culture (I know that for some narrow minded people the term culture is reserved to the so-called high-art), and far more people, rich or poor, can take part, because almost everyone can do it. You are very much mistaken if you measure the structure of new popular music like rap with the standards of tonal (art) music, because it was invented to overcome those old traditions, it has different purposes, different content. And it is not necessarily simple at all, for sure not simpler than the mainstream of rock music – which obviously does not insult you.
27.03.2004 14:15 I think the problem is hip-hop is the ONLY thing most kids hear today.
27.03.2004 15:04 -so sad....
27.03.2004 16:48 "What other videos there have an intelligent message? It's a waste of time to watch most of them, not only hip-hop."
It's not only the videos with the 'message'. It's the so called music. First of all, most of the music on radio today is full of blatant sexuality, or sexual innuendos. Most of it is not that intelligent to begin with. You have all this 'black crap' music that is nothing but empty meaningless garble, and the young people are eating up. Not only the music, but the 'artists' are delivering a message as well with the clothes and attitudes. And they are getting into the heads of the kids in our society, and getting them to want to be something they are not. And that simply, is black. What is wrong with being who and what you are? You have kids, white kids from all walks of life dressing like the heros they admire with baggy pants, huge chains, and even adopting the disgusting 'talk'. That goes for our lovely white performers as well. Christina, Brittany, and the list goes on, showing kids that it's ok to dress, talk and act like whores. Where does it come from? Guess. The 'rap-hip-hop' stuff. That is an insult to our kids.
"You describe a minority and pass sentence about a genre. You only think of the commercially oriented pseudo-rappers. There is a lot more out there to discover which sounds fab IMHO."
What's the minority? You see the trials on tv (pimp ditty or whatever his name is...) other rappers involved in drug sales, gang activity, and the list goes on. Again influencing the kids of today, and don't forget. They are the adults of tomorrow. In that case it scares the crap out of me. I have a 10 year old girl.
"It's a development in music, you know, and a highly creative as well. "
Horsefeathers. You said anyone can do it. That means it takes little or no talent to do it. No musical knowledge, because most if not all of it is sampled from some one elses music that has talent (or at least some).
"It has created a whole branche of culture..."
Yes. And that branch should be trimmed from the tree.
jasen101
27.03.2004 20:05 Love Hip Hop...hey they're making more money than Dream Theater.
28.03.2004 00:01 Matt: the only answer to your post is my previous post. Sorry, you didn't understand a word of what I said, to explain it I would have to repeat. Maybe I'll do that later, after I got some sleep (it's early morning).
"In that case it scares the crap out of me. I have a 10 year old girl."
I am scared by your post, especially ragarding you have a young daughter, since she is the daughter of a person with heavily racist and unbelievably narrow-minded thoughts in his head. I am really shocked by your attitude, but than again it's not news to me. We will never agree, it seems, although I still feel the need to try to make you THINK before you post - and not post contradictions all the time, like:
"It's the so called music. First of all, most of the music on radio today is full of blatant sexuality, or sexual innuendos."
Is it the MUSIC? Or the sexuality of the LYRICS or ATTITUDE? Didn't you say rap isn't music in the first place?
Pimp Diddy and his friends ARE the minority. Hip Hop is not only what you see on MTV, it is everything BUT what you see on television. You are simply to lazy to walk into a well sorted record shop and find out what music there is, you assume that what the PR and management of Pimp Diddy offers you via MTV is everything there is regarding hip hop. How pathetic. Of course that's crap. What you hear on the radio and on tv is 1% of contemporary music, the problem is, this 1% is everything you know.
""It has created a whole branche of culture..."
Yes. And that branch should be trimmed from the tree."
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and even less an idea what culture I was talking about.
When rock'n'roll was "invented", there were a lot of short-sighted people like you with exactly the same arguments; same goes for early Jazz, as well as for every new development in so called "classical" music. But above all, your words remind me of the vocabulary the Nazis used in Germany, 70 years ago, with all that completely stupid "Entartete Musik" drivel. I thought, we had learnt that lesson long ago. You don't.
28.03.2004 00:08 "I hate those doof doof boys you hear at the lights heaving it up with their pimp dog homeslice G, mix-o-matic!
Mind you I usually murder them and eat their skull later on."
I'm one of those doof doof boys, except instead of Two Quarters and Nelson or whatever their names are, I blast the latest by Tito Puente and The All-Star Mexicali Latin Ensemble. You want to turn heads? Blast something with a great, muted trumpet line, and there you be.
28.03.2004 00:20 This concerns me:
"You have kids, white kids from all walks of life dressing like the heros they admire with baggy pants, huge chains, and even adopting the disgusting 'talk'. That goes for our lovely white performers as well. "
The essence of that whole paragraph, with this bit highlighted for added emphasis, is that blacks should stick to black things and whites to white things. How else can you interpret the idea that "'black crap' music" somehow taints "our lovely white performers"? As Hank alludes to, that type of terminology has been used in the past to do evil things.
28.03.2004 03:01 "Guitar Hero, it's possible to make intelligent hip-hop and you should know that as a person who is interested in music in general."
I was talking strictly from a commercial point of view. I'm sure there is indeed more intelligent hip-hop out of the mainstream, but it's just a genre that doesn't connect with me.
"I don't understand how anyone could ever feel insulted by a song that goes to #1. If you do, there must be a lot of other things that insult you in the same sense…"
It's just speaking from a creative perspective. There is far better music out there that is barely recognized. Just listen to the radio... it's completely full of garbage, all day long. Of course, people without high musical intellect (which are the majority) haven't noticed the steady decline in the quality of popular music. Anyone who is musically educated and can notice (and chooses to notice) such things, does.
"Also, I think you generalize way too much, as well as you exaggerate. Of course I agree about "the" videos, though I don't give a fuck for the videos the are played on MTV. What other videos there have an intelligent message? It's a waste of time to watch most of them, not only hip-hop."
Nah, I don't generalize. Again, just turn on the radio, and if it's a station playing modern commercial music, I'm very sure it will be an uncreative song that sounds just like the last one. And I fully realize that hip-hop isn't the only genre putting out crap, both musically and visually. With the exception of death metal, no other genre gives such negative messages like rap/hip-hop. Unless you're okay with murder, gangs, and making women out to be objects. Where else on MTV will you see this stuff being waved around? Better than that, in what other art form are these messages so strongly displayed?
I know I'm not a rap expert. But I do know that the rappers who get the most attention are naturally those who are in the public eye, and they are the ones that are creating the stereotypes. Again, the girls, clubs, basketball, violence, etc etc...
"It's a development in music, you know, and a highly creative as well. It has created a whole branche of culture (I know that for some narrow minded people the term culture is reserved to the so-called high-art), and far more people, rich or poor, can take part, because almost everyone can do it."
It's very nice when you put it that way, yes. But look at it from this perspective: most commercial rap and hip-hop music display little means of intelligence. The following goes for anyone who listens to music more than casually: a huge chunk of their overall intelligence is directly proportional to the quality of music they listen to, and how they appreciate it. Music *is* culture. If someone can happily listen to bland 4-chorded (or less :P) pop music on their spare time, and justify that it is enough to satisfy their musical needs, chances are the person is a bland person. Go ahead, tell me I'm judgemental. But it's the truth. Never in my life had I spoken with one fully intelligent person who is a hardcore fan of one of the following artists:
Dido, Celine Dion, Nickelback, Our Lady Peace, System Of A Down, 50 Cent, P Diddy, Nelly, the list goes on...
I have however, talked to brilliant people who are fans and analysts of the following artists:
The Beatles, Queen, Rush, Genesis, Yes, Dream Theater, Tool, Frank Zappa, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Oscar Peterson, Al DiMeola, and this list goes on as well...
"You are very much mistaken if you measure the structure of new popular music like rap with the standards of tonal (art) music, because it was invented to overcome those old traditions, it has different purposes, different content. And it is not necessarily simple at all, for sure not
28.03.2004 08:33 We have a different opinion about what makes up the rap-genre. I am not speaking about P Diddy, 50 cent and all similar folks on MTV that I don't know the names of. I certainly don't want to speak in favour of them.
The music and culture that I was talking about doesn't get much airplay, if any at all. Still I said it's the majority, because I think what you get to know when you look at the charts is only a small percentage of the genre, and this small percentage is in the public eye and therefore seems to be the majority.
Hip hop is a club culture which certainly doesn't harm the society, the so-called underground culture with hundreds of small labels who put out hundreds of singles every week, those people are highly creative although they are no new John Coltranes, John Lennons or Freddie Mercurys and never wanted to be. And nothing of all this music ever makes it to MTV. MTV, however, does harm the society.
About the "steady decline in the quality of popular music", I partly agree, but I don't think popular music has EVER been of high musical quality, as well as I don't think everything today is rubbish. I fully agree about the artists you mention, and I agree that rap is musically limited compared to them, but that's not the point. There are a lot of artists who make every effort to create new sounds all the time, with new musical equipment and who truly love what they produce no matter how much they sell of it and who therefore deserve my respect. If I only choose my music by the complexity of it's structure, and only listen to the best stuff I find in that respect, after discovering Bach I wouldn't be allowed to listen to anything else any more. I prefer to listen to different music in different situations, and I can have great fun spending an evening dancing to a hip hop DJ who really knows his business.
Once again, you can't measure rap in terms of melodic music, because it doesn't have the same pattern of harmonies, scales, and doesn't have virtuosos and so on.
By the way, Matt, in the 1920s, Josephine Baker dressed like a whore as well... if she dressed at all. Maybe she is to blame for hip hop and all the terrible things it brings with it?
The 'white performers' comment was to be taken sarcasticly. They are just as bad as the blacks with what they promote and perform. Since race is an issue when we talk about rap or hip hop, lets take it a step further. Emnem is the same way. Lyrics with very hateful things in it, drug use in it, the defimantion of women in it.
The ponit is, not only is rap music a farse it is a way to get into the minds of our young ones. Saying it's cool to be a wife beater, or woman beater. It's ok to kill your 'brother' for the profit of another. It's cool to be a gang banger and get to 'pop a cap' in someone's ass. It's cool to roll up the blunts and sip your gin and juice (while driving). I know much more about this than you guys realise. Don't treat me like a Nazi, or even insinuate that I am one. I am for protecting childern. Above all, MY child. I don't have a problem with black people in general, or any other skin color. It's the ones that suck everything from our youth. Telling them it's cool to be like them. When even you guys no it's not. And by being like them I mean the many points I mentioned above.
And yes GH I understand what you are saying. However, I feel that sex in music has gone way overboard, and has become really mainstream. It's normal to turn on the radio and hear someone say 'I'm you genie in a bottle...rub me the right way' and 'I'm a dirty girl...' and so on. This is affecting our children. And it seems a million times more harmful than the radio when I was a child.
And as for spending time in a record store to find out more about rap or hip hop. Well let me think....um....no.
I wouldn't give away 5 minutes of my time to investigate some thing I hate as much as that. I used to watch Behind the Music. And sure I saw things about people, white, black, and Queen (Legends) for that matter, and I find it interesting to learn that way. I have seen the 2Pac, Snoop Dogg, (I can't remember the heavy set guys name the one who died) and many others. They come from the projects, and the hate and violence oozes from them. And you can hear it in the music. Some worse than others. And they kill each other. Nice roll models huh. We had people talking about violence in music as a way to protest things in the world. Now you have Cop Killer, and many other hating whites songs. You call me what you want. It's cool. I know what I know, and I sure as hell don't need a lesson. Especially from 'kids' on this board. Whenever I say anything about being proud your white, or of your heritage, I am labled a biggot, or a 'Nazi'. Well I am proud of where I come from. And I can honestly say I hate no one. What is wrong with being proud of what you are? Blacks can be. Mexicans, Spanish can be. It's not 'PC' to be proud if you white any more. And not in some KKK way either. Everything black is being force-fed to our youngsters, and I for one am tired of it.
Whatever. Understand, or don't. I really don't care.
28.03.2004 08:57 One more piont:
Here are some wonderful musicians and singers.
The Isley Brothers. The Nevils. Kool And The Gang. Robert Cray. Earth Wind and Fire. So many that you never asked about or thought about. I know music. And a lot of it. So don't even try to throw the race card at me.
28.03.2004 09:14 I obviously hit you to the quick.
Naming some black artists you like doesn't change the vocabulary you used before and doesn't change the attitude you displayed many times.
The fact that you feel the need to prove there are black people you like speaks books.
It goes without saying that there are talented people everywhere and of every race and I didn't even have the slightest idea that anyone could ever question that or feel the need to prove that he realizes it, because it's so fucking self-evident.
28.03.2004 09:22 "I obviously hit you to the quick.
It goes without saying that there are talented people everywhere and of every race and I didn't even have the slightest idea that anyone could ever question that or feel the need to prove that he realizes it, because it's so fucking self-evident."
No Hankie, nothing you said 'hit me to the quick'. It was your Nazi comment that pissed me off. We obviously come from different places, and you are still a youngster. You'll figure it out for yourself someday when your 10 year old daughter comes home from school trying her best to use Ebonics at the dinner table. Now. Fuck you, and fuck off. You know nothing of me, where I come from, what I've been through and what I believe, so dissagree. It's cool. Big deal. This was a stupid topic to begin with. I gave my opinion (there still is free speech right?) and you can't handle it you little bleeding heart you. So just go about your life, and leave me alone.
28.03.2004 09:41 LOL!
I somehow knew you would use that "hankie"-joke and all that name calling again when you run out of arguments (which always happens very quickly).
Note, it isn't so cool, because
1. my nick is not my real name
2. using a joke for the third time doesn't make it funnier
3. I am tempted to make some equally silly puns about your real name in my language, with the difference that you wouldn't understand them :-)) Now, who is mentally the youngster here?
28.03.2004 10:03 "1. my nick is not my real name"
I don't care.
"2. using a joke for the third time doesn't make it funnier"
It was the second time.
"3. I am tempted to make some equally silly puns about your real name in my language, with the difference that you wouldn't understand them :-))"
Oh please don't..you may hurt my feelings.
"I somehow knew you would use that "hankie"-joke and all that name calling again when you run out of arguments (which always happens very quickly)."
Oh dear Hank. I have plenty left if you really want to have a go. I just think I have said all there is for me to say on the subject, and repeating myself would be nothing more than a waste of my breath and time. My time is valuble. And since I care nothing of you or what you have to say, or what you may say about me, I won't waste my time on someone such as yourself. Wisdom falling on deaf ears.
28.03.2004 10:36 LMAO
Right now it's quite funny to waste my time watching you waste your time telling me you don't want to waste your time :-)
I should open a beer and wait for your next post.
28.03.2004 22:42 ""If I only choose my music by the complexity of it's structure, and only listen to the best stuff I find in that respect, after discovering Bach I wouldn't be allowed to listen to anything else any more. I prefer to listen to different music in different situations, and I can have great fun spending an evening dancing to a hip hop DJ who really knows his business."
Hank, this whole post was overall a very good read, and I pretty much agree with everything you said. I completely understand where you're coming from. However, it's just a difference in tastes between you and I, and what we get out of music as a whole. I highlighted this passage above, because for me personally, I listen to music to be challenged musically. I'm a musician, and most of the time I listen to music that makes me want to be a better musician and songwriter. That can hardly be accomplished while listening to today's top 40.
"but I don't think popular music has EVER been of high musical quality"
Uhmm.... let's review the charts in 1976: Bohemian Rhapsody and Hotel California. Charts in 2003 - 50 Cent and Blink 182. I rest my case.
"And yes GH I understand what you are saying. However, I feel that sex in music has gone way overboard, and has become really mainstream."
Let's go back to 1955, when Elvis was on the Ed Sullivan show. When he shook his hips the way he did, people cried out then just the way people cry out now when the newest Nelly video comes out. But I do agree that it has gone much too far, and this completely negative image of women and drugs must cool down.
The last paragraph of that long post (your third to last on page 2) was excellent, Matt. Right on the money.
"Right now it's quite funny to waste my time watching you waste your time telling me you don't want to waste your time :-)"
I think we realized the irony of the fact that it actually *needed* to be said. Otherwise, how would you know that was what he wanted to say? Hank, you're obviously a smart guy, so you shouldn't need to take cheap shots to prove your points.
29.03.2004 03:21 yo yo eeeaaazy now as far as hip hop and urban music goes the fullest flavoured and rooted of them all is not found in the charts you find them in the live acts such as the Roots, The Specials, Bigyard etc..
am a musician to... I was in my local military brass band for five years and now am out I play reggae and ska on my trumpets my god what a crime!! lol!
grade 8 pianist but still when people say am an expert or woteva it sounds bull!! am as amateur as the next star that dont know much about musical up bringing.
the thing is I been there and done some of that stuff and its been a pretty tough journey lookin back..
but at least I can blossom in my compositions... like sponge I still soak up new Ideas at the same time buying Cds of pass greats and legends, and all I can show to those listening to me in the present day is the combination of sound I can make out of all of flavoured vibe.
and Hip hop is inspiring... it inspired Queen, Elvis etc... when I say hip hop I mean urban music when I talk urban music I mean black music....
my band is solidly influenced to this vibe as the music is very basic in its structure and the notes each ensemble plays layers up to bring a new flavour which bounces... its just WOOOOHHOO COOL!!
anyways yes I love hip hop I love most taste yes the pop generating machine has made sell outs to this genre and other big genres such as swing jazz and blues dont mention the Covers of songs that hit number ones with a different name!
to all you people out their stay raw make raw find water from raw and no one can put you down when your flower grows.
cos raw flava what makes all of us unique
14.10.2005 17:36 so you guys don't like black people.
kidding.....maybe
Mercuryworks
Freddie's #1 Fan Forever
14.10.2005 22:43 I have to agree with Sir GH that there really is something wrong with popular music today. I can't even imagine what the cause of this problem is, but I don't think that it is the fault of black music in general.
I think that some of the best modern music that you can hear on the radio today is on the black/hip hop station. Although some of it is way too repetitive, I think that hip hop is at least pretty original. It also has a lot of really interesting syncopation in the rhythm. And Matt points out all of the wonderful bands that inspired hip hop: Earth, Wind and Fire, Isley Brothers, Parliament/Funkadelic, etc.
On the other hand, there seems to be something really wrong with a lot of WHITE MUSIC on the radio today. The best way to describe the problem, I think, is to say that it is just so BORING! In particular, some of the "serious" singer/songwriter people write songs with no melody or rhythm and these boring lyrics about "relationships". When I am forced to listen to this kind of music, I just want to scream. It is like this music is just there as background noise, but it does not inspire you or even make you want to dance to it.
I think that in the future we need to have bands that will combine elements of both hip hop and heavy metal. Wouldn't it be cool if there were more fantasy in music today? Could you imagine a band that would combine elements of Queen-type heavy metal + elements of, say, Parliament/Funkadelic or Earth, Wind and Fire? I couldn't even image how cool that would be and I have faith that black and white musicians could work together to create this. Aerosmith + Run DMC already showed that this will work.
14.10.2005 23:23 Another One Bites The Dust was #1 on R&B charts
AOBTD song info
Queenfred
15.10.2005 05:21 I have to agree with Sir GH that there really is something wrong with popular music today.
Fuck, you guys are obviously looking in the wrong places then. There are plenty of brilliant bands around and they're more than likely playing down the road at a small club right now. Forget the charts, they're fickle -instead, go out and see some bands that you've not heard of before.
Oh, and to add another cent- the New Zealand hip hop artist Scribe is really quite good.
Billy the Goat
15.10.2005 15:34 I think that Freddie was the biggest influence (I don't know if thats the right word) to SCATMAN!!
Listen to Freddies many solo songs etc.
epwchill
16.10.2005 08:49 ........Popular music does suck now. The only band ive heard in years that i really like is The Killers. To much complaining in music today. IMO of course.
SilverShoes
16.10.2005 11:21 I think it's interesting how people get credit for thiings they didn't invent. It's often said that Bohemian Rhapsody was the first music video, but that clearly isn't true. Apart from the fact that there were videos for Keep Yourself Alive and Liar, bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, and others made videos back in the 60's. And if you want to get technical about it, Spike Jones was making short films to go along with his music back in the 40's, so you could possibly consider those to be "videos" as well.
kdj2hot
Kohntarkosz wrote: I think it's interesting how people get credit for thiings they didn't invent. It's often said that Bohemian Rhapsody was the first music video, but that clearly isn't true. Apart from the fact that there were videos for Keep Yourself Alive and Liar, bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, and others made videos back in the 60's. And if you want to get technical about it, Spike Jones was making short films to go along with his music back in the 40's, so you could possibly consider those to be "videos" as well.
Do you know what video is? Those were films (not the Queen promotional spots they did like Liar) but Bohemian Rhapsody was fresh because it was on video and had a "loose" concept, a lot of people han't seen that before. Since I'm not privy to what all other artists were doing at the time I won't say it was the first but it was definitely groundbreaking at the time. Just because it wasn't the first doesn't mean it shouldnt be credited for being the grandfather of music videos because it really was the first one to gain national attention. Hope that last sentence makes sense to y'all.
16.10.2005 16:45 <<Do you know what video is? Those were films (not the Queen promotional spots they did like Liar) but Bohemian Rhapsody was fresh because it was on video>>
So what difference does it make whether it was shot on film or video? It's still a video, even if they didn't call them "music videos" yet.
<< and had a "loose" concept, a lot of people han't seen that before.>>
What concept? A concept implies that there's a storyline of some sort. Bohemian Rhapsody is basically a performance clip, apart from the bits where they assume the pose from the Queen II cover.
If you want to see something that was REALLY different, you should see the video The Beatles did for Strawberry Fields Forever.
<< Just because it wasn't the first doesn't mean it shouldnt be credited for being the grandfather of music videos because it really was the first one to gain national attention.>>
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "national attention" as the videos I mentioned before by The Who, The Beatles, etc were shown on TV shows like Top Of The Pops in the UK and American Bandstand in the US, so Bohemian Rhapsody, as good as it is, definitely wasn't the first to get "national attention".
16.10.2005 18:24 I think it might've started in Jamaica...
GreatKingSam
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: "who cares about hip hop??" Uhmm... most teenagers in the US. It has become their culture. For anyone who listens to music more than casually, I think their intelligence is in most cases directly proportional to the music they listen to. So with that theory, look at this generation of kids who listen to rap music and cast your vote.
I have got to page two of this topic and I cannot read on without the need to reply sharpish (and for the record, I am not picking on you Sir GH, it just so happens yours was the first post of it's kind).
I feel insulted by your "look at the state of people who listen to rap" generalisation. I listen to Queen, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Audioslave, Michael Jackson, The Beatles, The Foo's, Nirvana, Muse and many other "real" bands. However, I also listen to House Of Pain, Eminem, Dr Dre, The Game, 2Pac, Jay-Z and others. I can tell you now this does in no way affect my inteligence from a musical or general point of view.
What if I turned around and said "classical music is wank and it just makes people think they are better than others"? It's just as fair as what you're saying.
And all the comments about "they freestyle with made up ghetto words" and all the other clever analogies you all use are pointless. You all come across as so single minded, and hate all becuase of a minority (e.g. Ja Rule, Akon, Lil Bow-Wow and other such dire rap). For one, I can tell you there are far more complex lyrics and arrangements in a Tupac, Eminem or Dr Dre composition compared to Delilah, My Baby Does Me and other masterpieces by our favourite band who can do no wrong.
I just thing some of you are petty.
17.10.2005 07:37 Hip Hop emerged from various elements. Some linked with church performance and gospel, other with social and historical phenomena (stigmatization, construction of group identity and ethos).
I do not personnaly enjoy listenning to it, simply because i do not relate much to the values and the music involved, but the affirmation on this thread is definitely utter non-sense. Why not say Queen invented cocaine, or possibly hot water?
Bobby_brown
<font color=#C5150>The Fairy King</font> wrote: ...with Another One Bites The Dust? well they claim it in the Killer Queen documentary... is this true? Cuz if so...i want to ask them... WHY GOD WHYYYYYY ;) maybe we wouldn't have fuckers like Nelly n 50 cent and other shite....
Well, all i can say is that the first time i read about this was at the Freddie Mercury Box set book by a music expert (i'm too lazy to go check his name), but it gave me some food for thought!
It's not a question of like or dislike Hip-Hop, because in the USA this kind of style transcends music itself, it's a social movement, and to say that our John is responsible in some way for that i see it as a compliment for John and a big responsability on his shoulders. I mean, can you imagine being responsible for an ethnic (it started like that) movement!?
Of course John didn't invented Hip-Hop, but as you know, this kind of music started with samples of bass lines and a good DJ. So , the DJ picks a song and make that Hip-Hop, and one of the songs whose bass lines were heavily sampled was AOBTD by Queen and that as a fact it's incredible.
Really, you have to look back some 25 years and see what was going on on the La streets and NY streets to understand this kind of thing. People would go crazy in the streets because there were a lot DJ´s sampling everything they could, there would be Breack Dance, and so on.
That means that 50 Cent and Eminem should kiss John's ass, because he's the God of HIp-Hop or ...Whathever...
Ok, in a serious mood, if you think about it you find out that when you least expect you're starting something big just with a Bass line, it really runs out of control.
GreatKingSam wrote:
I have got to page two of this topic and I cannot read on without the need to reply sharpish (and for the record, I am not picking on you Sir GH, it just so happens yours was the first post of it's kind). I feel insulted by your "look at the state of people who listen to rap" generalisation. I listen to Queen, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Audioslave, Michael Jackson, The Beatles, The Foo's, Nirvana, Muse and many other "real" bands. However, I also listen to House Of Pain, Eminem, Dr Dre, The Game, 2Pac, Jay-Z and others. I can tell you now this does in no way affect my inteligence from a musical or general point of view. What if I turned around and said "classical music is wank and it just makes people think they are better than others"? It's just as fair as what you're saying. And all the comments about "they freestyle with made up ghetto words" and all the other clever analogies you all use are pointless. You all come across as so single minded, and hate all becuase of a minority (e.g. Ja Rule, Akon, Lil Bow-Wow and other such dire rap). For one, I can tell you there are far more complex lyrics and arrangements in a Tupac, Eminem or Dr Dre composition compared to Delilah, My Baby Does Me and other masterpieces by our favourite band who can do no wrong. I just thing some of you are petty.
balladoperarockcoda
09.04.2019 03:59 as a long time hip hop devotee;
I started listening to rap in 1982,i had seen melle mel and the furious five at the Manchester Apollo.
and I can definitely say they looked like a group striate out of the mineshaft.
being no older than 10 at the time I didn't take much notice.
but the macho strutting and peacock posture definitely had a big say on hip hop culture;
without a shadow of a doubt.