#ubuntu 2005-03-28
<Xappe> Slackman, the only problem is that I have get my father to learn linux if he want's go get the ibook back (i hope I can keep it for a long time, but you never know..)
<IrcUsr> thoreauputic_: makes sense, stupid question, sorry
<Xappe> Slackman, but I felt more comfortable with Hoary on it since my pc is running that too
<spades> is there anyway to scp a set of dirs from one pc to another?  im using scp * -r user@machine:path  and it returns 'folder name' is not a regular file
<thoreauputic_> IrcUsr: I believe you can set up a swap area on your hard drive ( haven't tried it myself)
<Slackman> Xappe: you could get KDE and make it look like OSX..i have seen someone do an EXACT replica visually of OSX with kde
<IrcUsr> when a version upgrade comes about, do you select just one "component" and all the software goes up to the new version, or do the changes filter through gradually?
<Xappe> spades, try lftp -u username sftp://
<mirco> spades: if you like to sync look for unison, it uses ssh proto for traffic enc
<Xappe> spades, then you can use the mirror command
<rotatorCuffen> which linux kernel is ubunti built on?
<Slackman> Xappe: aside from a few things i don't think hoary is that far off OSX in terms of "dumb user" being able to do everything
<thoreauputic_> rotatorCuffen: depends which version, and how up to date
<Xappe> Slackman, i don't like KDE, but I think i'll be the one using this ibook most of the time...my parets have other computers to play with
<rotatorCuffen> thoreauputic_ warty-release-install-i386.iso
<monteiro> how i put my monitor with 75 hertz ?
<rotatorCuffen> 4.10
<marcus__> Hello.. How do I unload the boot loader from my system?
<thoreauputic_> rotatorCuffen: warty uses the 2.6.8 kernel series
<rotatorCuffen> The_Nalf thx
<rotatorCuffen> thoreauputic_
<thoreauputic_> rotatorCuffen:  type uname -r to see
<rotatorCuffen> ok
<Xappe> Slackman, and I have to travel 300 km to return it ;)
<Natham> ok, i got it with nfs
<marcus__> Hello.. How do I unload the GRUB bootloader from my system?
<Natham> but, i mount it, and i cant acces with a user diferent of root
<thoreauputic_> here it's currently 2.6.8.1-4-386 , but there's a -5 as well
<Slackman> heh 300k is a long way to get a lappy :)
<thoreauputic_> or a 686  version for that matter ...
<keffoo> hm
<keffoo> flash in mozilla
<marcus__> Flash sucks. Your better without it.
<thoreauputic_> Natham: is the user uid the same on both machines?
<Natham> wait
<thoreauputic_> Natham: if the user uid is different, you won't be able to do better than read access
<Natham> but i even cant read
<thoreauputic_> Natham: probably your /etc/fstab is wrong
<nicedreams> I reformated and installed hoary preview and now gnome is acting up.  I can't launch quake3 or ETF and I can't play any type of sound file.  I installed fluxbox and I can do everything just fine.  Anyone having the same issues or have a fix?
<Natham> ok
<Natham> is the same uid
<Natham> 1000
<Natham> in both machines
<thoreauputic_> Natham: example line from here: alterego:/home /mnt/alterego nfs noauto,users,rw,hard,intr 0 0
<thoreauputic_> Natham: ^^^
<Natham> ok
<Xappe> Slackware, do you know how I get the ibook to turn off rather than suspend to disk when the battery level is critical?
<Xappe> *Slackman
<thoreauputic_> alterego is my laptop, this is my desktop (the /etc/fstab is from here)
<nicedreams> oh yea...and when in gnome, I can't download anything using firefox
<neighborlee> anyone know about when official hoary release will be ?
<Natham> thoreauputic_, i used the line in fstab and nothing happens
<thoreauputic_> April 6 I believe (Hoary)
<Natham> i cant read the unit
<nicedreams> screw it...i'll just reisntall ubuntu hoary
<thoreauputic_> Natham: NFS can be tricky - is portmap running?
<Natham> on both machines
<Natham> portmapper
<neighborlee> thoreauputic_, ok
<neighborlee> thoreauputic_, thx
<Natham> ok
<Natham> in the server, my user cant acces the directry
<dabi> is there any tool to edit partitions on ubuntu (with gui)
<bur[n] er> gparted
<apokryphos> dabi: gparted; qtparted
<Natham> ok i got it
<aurax> is hoary stable enough ?
<evilbutters> I need to know how to start Bittornado
<mirco> n8 all
<dabi> emn.. i cant remove webmin-proftpd
<evilbutters> I installed it through the Package Manager
<thoreauputic_> aurax: for what? *grin*
<aurax> desktops
<marcus__> Is it possible to uninstall the GRUB bootloader?
<aurax> warty was stable enough for desktops
<aurax> i wonder if i can install for my costumers hoary
<LeeColleton> when the seahorse-agent window appears it doesn't pop up above evolution.  Can I make it always on top?
<thoreauputic_> aurax: it goes "stable" in april
<dabi> OMG
<dabi> gparted
<dabi> ups
<dabi> fk..
<bur[n] er> ?
<thoreauputic_> Natham: edit  /etc/default/portmap
<neighborlee> aurax, I find it a mixed bag..but 'overall' yes IMO....so far mainly firefox seems to be on buggy side and when it 'went' it took gnome panel with it and i had to ctrl-alt-backspace and eventually found myself rebooting ( hard reboot) to fix it
<Natham> thoreauputic_, i made it
<Natham> thanx
<dabi> cant copy from synaptic terminal.. oh anyway.. i cant uninstall the fking webmin-proftpd
<evilbutters> can anyone tell me how to start Bittorent that came with Ubuntu
<aurax> will ubuntu hoary work well with intel's 915G chipsets too
<aurax> ?
<evilbutters> Warty Editio
<bur[n] er> evilbutters: one came with it?
<evilbutters> BitTorunado and Bittorent
<evilbutters> thats whats in the Package manager
<bur[n] er> oh... just do btdownloadgui ;)
<bur[n] er> btdownloadgui blah.torrent
<bur[n] er> or save yourself some headache with that app and get azureus instead
<dabi> i have webmin-proftpd as an broken package and cant uninstall it with synaptic.. what can i do?
<lewiz> Erm.  What is required to install Ubuntu?  I did a PXE install to my laptop but it didn't start installing the packages as normal on reboot.  Will apt-get ubuntu-desktop do the trick?
<bur[n] er> dabi: why can't you uninstall it?
<dabi> E: webmin-proftpd:  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
<dabi> bur[n] er: /etc/webmin/update.conf: No such file or directory dpkg: error while cleaning up:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: webmin-proftpd
<bur[n] er> dabi: u could force it
<bur[n] er> dpkg --force-help
<dabi> how?
<dabi> hmm im uninstalling it on synaptic.. how can i uninstall it from terminal?
<artafinde> Qn: How do I install tomboy on ubuntu? (I have installed mono)
<Xappe> dabi, sudo apt-get remove packagename
<carrarro> hello World!
<carrarro> I need some advice
<icebalm> oh no
<carrarro> I am trying to switch to Linux and I just finished downloading this UBUNTU version
<carrarro> I love it!
<icebalm> yeah it's pretty good huh?
<carrarro> the only problem is that I don't know how to configure my wireless card...
<Otheos> hello all
<carrarro> do you know how to get it to work?
<carrarro> hello
<dabi> i have to force uninstall webmin-proftpd from terminal, what command do i have to use?
<Quarupt> Howcome I had to do a dist-updrade?
<Otheos> I need some help, I'm hoping some one knows the answer
<icebalm> carrarro: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
<carrarro> thank you!
<icebalm> np
<Otheos> I built a box to run ubuntu on, I put a Highpoint RocketRaid 1640 card in it...got 4 200GB drives i want to put in a raid 5 container....
<icebalm> dabi: try: sudo dpkg -r --force webmin-proftpd
<dabi> dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `webmin-proftpd'
<icebalm> dabi: try: sudo dpkg -r --force-all webmin-proftpd
<dabi> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
<dabi>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
<dabi> Errors were encountered while processing:
<dabi>  webmin-proftpd
<dabi> damn..
<carrarro> hey Ice, thank you again... I have to go now. I'll see what I can do later with the wi-fi stuff
<Otheos> don't suppose anyone else has a rocketraid card????
<dabi> MUAH hehe i xiited on that fking webmin thing.. i made the damn bugging file my self and worked.. :P hhehe
<icebalm> wheee
<Otheos> icebalm,  may I ask you for some help...
<Quarupt> Is 2.4.10 a fairly new kernel?
<icebalm> Otheos: shoot
<thoreauputic_> Quarupt: no, it's ancient
<icebalm> Quarupt: 2.4.11 is latest
<icebalm> Quarupt: 2.6.11 I mean
<Otheos> I havea highpoint rocketraid controller i'm trying to use....
<thoreauputic_> icebalm: hmm 2.6.10?
<Quarupt> 2.6.10-4
<icebalm> Quarupt: 2.4 is bloody old
<thoreauputic_> yeah
<dazed|> is there a problem with the warty repo's?
<Quarupt> I meant 2.6.10-4
<thoreauputic_> Quarupt: yes, typo :)
<Natham> a edonkey client for ubuntu?
<thoreauputic_> I guess.....
<marcin_ant> hi could someone tell me how to change language settings in hoary?
<Otheos> when installing is doesn't see the volume it see sthe physical drives...
<icebalm> 2.6.10 is in the "sweet spot" I think, new enough to work well, old enough to have most binary drivers (ati/nvidia) work out of the tgz
<thoreauputic_> marcin_ant: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
<icebalm> Otheos: hrmm, software raid
<Otheos> hardware..
<Otheos> trying at least
<icebalm> not if it sees the drives
<Otheos> 4 SATA RAID 5 controller
<Otheos> maybe I missed a step
<icebalm> hardware raid never gives drive info to the OS, only the volume
<Quarupt> icebalm, you have any luck with ATI drivers?
<icebalm> Quarupt: yep
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: I did
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: and nothing - gnome still in english....
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: lang packages installed too of course
<thoreauputic_> marcin_ant:  heh - was about to suggest that ;)
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: yeah I know... but what now?
<thoreauputic_> I have no idea, sorry
<thoreauputic_> :(
<icebalm> Otheos: either there's no driver for it in linux, it's not being loaded, or some other thing with lvm, I don't know, I don't use raid
<Otheos> hmmm...
<Otheos> actually, I just realized my screw up..
<thoreauputic_> marcin_ant: unless you try a dpkg-reconfigure on your language pack, I guess
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: I'll try to reinstall lang packages
<Otheos> I had to upgrade the bios on the controller and to test I just put together JBOD not a RAID 5
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: ok
<Paralla1> how can I remove the speaker beep from hoary?
<icebalm> Quarupt: the fglrx binaries in ubuntu are old, I did I silly hack
<Paralla1> how can I remove the speaker beep from hoary like when I press TAB key on the console?
<dabi> heh i want to remove it too.. :P
<crimsun> console or gnome-terminal?
<AngryClip> Paralla1, dabi I think there is something on ubuntuguide.org about that
<Paralla1> everywhere
<Paralla1> gnome terminal
<jimmer_> hello all.
<dabi> never mind.. ill cut the speaker cable.. ;)
<icebalm> dabi: just unplug it :P
<thoreauputic_> Paralla1: in gnome-terminal edit profile and turn off the "bell"
<jimmer_> just installed hoary and it seems pretty nice so far. just one question... how do I get rid off all the GNOME junk and come up with a nice, clean X11 only install that supports hot swap etc. so that I can install GNUstep as my default desktop environment?
<psh1> hey all. is there a way of starting graphic apps on my X session from a terminal (ctrl+alt+F1 command line)?
<Quest-Master> psh1: I believe not
<[FiDO] > does anyone know of a program like daemon tools for linux
<thoreauputic_> psh1: not without starting X
<mjr> psh1, DISPLAY=:0 program
<[FiDO] > so you can mount image files
<mjr> assuming you have an X server running at :0
<jimmer_> [FiDO] , just use the loopback
<PacoBCN> why to use gnustep?
<psh1> mjr, ok cool. so is that an argument (with --) or just placed after any command?
<PacoBCN> I don't get it
<[FiDO] > just use the loopback what do you mean
<jimmer_> PacoBCN, because I prefer it to GNOME. simple ;)
<psh1> mjr, oh i see how it works :)
<thoreauputic_> PacoBCN: I guess he likes gnustep...
<mjr> psh1, that's sh syntax for "set DISPLAY environment variable for this program to :0"
<mjr> you can of course also set it beforehand
<PacoBCN> I understood that
<[FiDO] > jimmer can you give me an example
<jimmer_> [FiDO] , mount /file.iso /mntpoint -o loop
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: why Ubuntu then? you must have known it was a GNOME distro?
<lewiz> Hmm... where is the default keyboard layout set?  I can change it per-user with System->Preferences but how can I change it for the whole system?
<[FiDO] > that's wicked I get ya
<psh1> mjr, thanks for that.
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, coz I thought I'd try a new distro. Then heard the GNOME was at 2.10 and hoary was outthere with 2.10 support. Now I;ve tried it for a few days and I find it annoying. Maybe I should just go with stock Debian and setup the rest by hand.
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, been running SuSE for like forever, but don;t ike the new Novell reality.
<Valdez> There once was this site where you could order a free chart over the whole OSI model. But now I can't find it through google or anything. Anyone that knows what im talking about? :)
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: yes, i was thinking debian sarge or sid might be a better way to go
<icebalm> Valdez: yeah I have one, it was from hp if memory serves
<thoreauputic_> for you I mean
<icebalm> or lucent
<icebalm> or something
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, actually i was thinking to go with linux from scratch, but can't be bothered to be compiling for a whole day ;)
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, also considered gentoo, but same reason not to do it.
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: heheh - stick with debian :)
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: much quicker
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, on the otherhand as I;ve been running a linux of some sort or another since kernel 1.0.8 and the SLS floppy distro, I suppose I should be rolling my own... but I;m just a little tired of all the compiling and fixing and stuff.
<dazed|> i have a question...my nautilus only picks up the local shared files when i goto network:/// but when my laptop is on windows it picks up the laptop but when its on ubu they cant find eachother
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: BTW what's your beef with Novell? ( just curious...)
<[FiDO] > jimmer: the image file I'm trying to play is actually a movie is there a way to mount it so it will play
<[FiDO] > its a dvd .img file
<Reformed> Anyone notice problems with the industrial theme in hoary?
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: found bug
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: in /etc/environment I had
<Reformed> It doesn't seem to display in my theme window.  I've dpkg --purge'd it and reinstalled with no luck.
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: LANGUAGE="en_PL:en.......
<pr1mate> does any1 use wine in ubuntu (sry, UbU newbie)
<odie5533> Does Ubuntu have support for scanners
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, well, for one i don't like the new corporate attitude. Also don;t like the fact that the dirsto get's more and more 'Enterprise'. Enterprise computing is boring on the desktop. Just run Orifice and a calender thing.
<NeoChaosX> is there anybody else who's enabled a mixer device to get software mixing, but notice that SDL games are now out of sync?
<jimmer_> odie5533, yes.
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: ok now after relogin I have polish interface....
<odie5533> How do I add one?
<jimmer_> odie5533, check out xsane
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: it was "fresh" installation so definetly hoary bug
<odie5533> Ah, thankyou
<thoreauputic_> marcin_ant: have you reported it?
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic_: not yet
<LeeJunFan> Ok, I'm looking for a new distro, thinking ubuntu or kubuntu might be it. I take it ubuntu is much like debian in that it's basically raw linux (unlike debian it's actually kept updated), w/o a lot of spiffy add on bell and whistle crap, and little to no branding?
<HrdwrBoB> LeeJunFan: ubuntu has lots of bells and whistles, however they're standards based bells and generall issue whistles
<chillywilly> it also has some nice artwork :)
<thoreauputic_> LeeJunFan: if you want constant updates you need to track the development version
<Valdez> icebalm: in digital form ? Don't suppose you know where one would be able to acquire one.
<pr1mate> i need to use an exe (wine) how to, and is it as simple as adding a server to synaptic??
<icebalm> Valdez: no I have the actual poster, just, not here
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, I do webdev and design. I like to run a specific set of tools and apps. All of which i like to install to my specs. and taste. The modern distro's seem to be all about looking like MS Windows, not only wrt to UI and Look n Feel, but also wrt to mindset. Stoopid users and an overworked departmental sysadmin. Bleh. I like to be boss on my box.
<thoreauputic_> chillywilly: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar ! :)
<icebalm> Valdez: was looking for it, don't see it
<LeeJunFan> HrdwrBoB: well what I don't want is the kind of things mdk is doing to automate stuff in their own way instead of using standard available methods and helping to improve the community.
<Valdez> icebalm: thanks anyway :)
<signal> is there a way to use gentoo packages?  I know alien will let me use redhat ones...
<chillywilly> thoreauputic_: I dunno if I have that installed or not but I like this new default Human theme wallpaper
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, the drive for 'World Domination' seems to have moved the whole Linux world to forget about the Power User.
<icebalm> signal: yeah, download and compile the source
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: I like to run fluxbox partly for those reasons - it allows me to configure my own stuff
<chillywilly> thoreauputic_: looks bubbly and stuff
<LeeJunFan> thoreauputic_: not so sure I need daily updates :) but something that's more up to date than debian sure helps.
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, I;ve been running windowmaker since I switched from afterstep... in 1996 or so ;)
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: but when on this channel I run gnome to be able to answer ui questions better
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, maybe it was 1997/8 but it's been a while in any case ;)
<bur[n] er> flux ownz my heart
<bur[n] er> but gnome has my desktop :\
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: ah - a veteran then ;)
<keyhack> Where can I get WMV codecs?
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, popped my Unix cherry in 1992 on a large SunOS installation ;)
<bur[n] er> keyhack: w32codecs  need 3rd party repository... see ubuntuguide.org
<icebalm> keyhack: microsoft
<thoreauputic_> keyhack: see the restricted formats page on the ubuntulinux.org wiki
<NeoChaosX> keyhack: add the marillat repositories, then 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs'
<thoreauputic_> or ubuntuguide as bur[n] er suggests
<supos> but do realize that those are unfree (and thus Evil(TM))
<NeoChaosX> well, anybody else have my SDL audio sync problem?
<icebalm> NeoChaosX: no, I have my SDL audio sync problem, you have yours
<tombs> hi
<NeoChaosX> icebalm: very funny. :P
<icebalm> NeoChaosX: did you lose it? are you looking to get it back?
<icebalm> NeoChaosX: lots of problems come in and out of here man, there's no way we can keep track of them, you should be more careful
<NeoChaosX> I know
<NeoChaosX> I'll need to pay attention next time
<odie5533> Anyone know how to enable my scanner?
<altava> hi there everybody, how do change OSS to ALSA as master sound driver on Vaio laptop?
<NeoChaosX> run gstreamer-properties
<NeoChaosX> then select alsa
<mjr> odie5533, see http://www.sane-project.org/ for help (firstly, to check if it's supported at all)
<mjr> odie5533, the software should be available as ubuntu packages, but see there for docs and support info
<NeoChaosX> altava: although ESD > ALSA if you want sound mixing
<altava> >NeoChaos I've remove gstreamer, use xine-ui instead..
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, are you a ubuntu developer?
<NeoChaosX> altava: ....you removed the gstreamer package? How is that possible?
<NeoChaosX> Or do you mean just totem-gstreamer?
<altava> apt-get remove totem-gstreamer ; install xine-ui (universe)
<NeoChaosX> Oh
<NeoChaosX> altava: No, you just removed the gstreamer version of Totem
<odie5533> Is there anything I can do if it is not supported?
<NeoChaosX> gstreamer-properties is a completely different program
<altava> ok ;)
<thoreauputic_> jimmer_: no, just an ordinary luser ;)
<quarupt> luser
<quarupt> lmao
<keyhack> Anyone know why Firefox refuses to let me save/open a JPG file? This was working before I upgraded
<quarupt> Havent heard that in a while
<quarupt> Hello fellow netlanders
<keyhack> I mean MPG, not JPG
<edlang> daniels: hey, are you busy at the moment?
<odie5533> How do I enable my scanner I think I need to mount it
<odie5533> It is support by SANE
<jimmer_> thoreauputic_, any developer type bods around here? I have one or two 'issues' that I'd like to discuss, rather than simply file bug reports about.
<mjr> odie5533, you don't mount scanners
<icebalm> NeoChaosX: real soundcards have no need for esd
<odie5533> How do I use it then?
<mjr> (however, I don't have experience with setting them up)
<quarupt> jimmer_, try #Ubuntu-devel
<jimmer_> quarupt, thnx.
<quarupt> np
<icebalm> apparently we're not good enough for jimmer_
<NeoChaosX> icebalm: From my conversations and experience, ALSA sounds really scratchy when doing sound mixing
<altava> >NeoChaos No luck with gstreamer-properties, in fact, sound is Ok with OSS but with a very low level...
<NeoChaosX> Huh
<icebalm> NeoChaosX: real soundcards don't need software to do mixing
<altava> Tried alsactrl without success...
<NeoChaosX> You weren't able to select the ALSA driver in the program?
<NeoChaosX> icebalm: I have on-board sound. I have no choice. :(
<jimmer_> icebalm, wow... chill dude. But if you really must know... ;)
<icebalm> NeoChaosX: you can choose to replace it
<altava> Yeah.. Alsa selected = no changes :(
<quarupt> iceaxe18, any soundcard needs "software" to even function
<NeoChaosX> laptop
<icebalm> quarupt: any hardware needs software to function
<edlang> by the power of greyskull, someone confirm for me that daniels's email address is daniels@fooishbar.org
<sic|> anyone know if it is possible to import your bookmarks from firefox in windows to firefox in ubuntu?
<CoffeeMan> yes
<HrdwrBoB> edlang: that is correct
<quarupt> iceaxe18, exactly
<CoffeeMan> in winders, export yo bookmarks to bookmarks.html
<CoffeeMan> then in linux
<CoffeeMan> import that file
<thoreauputic> sic|: it's jus an html file
<mario__> hi
<mario__> from spain
<icebalm> quarupt: however, it's like using a trident video card these days
<sic|> I exported the bookmarks to bookmarks.html but when I got import it there are no selections to even browse to look for it
<icebalm> jimmer_: I'm just yanking your chain heh
<daniels> edlang: daniel@fooishbar.org
<daniels> edlang: what's up?
<lobezno> if I erase libgstreamer apt remove many other packages like gnome-panel
<lobezno> why?
<mario__> i think this distro is really goo
<mario__> d
<jimmer_> icebalm, of course you were ;)
<mario__> but i founded a problem with it
<mario__> it's about battery management
<thoreauputic> sic|: just copy the file across and put it in the .mozilla/firefox/default or wherever it lives
<sic|> thoreauputic, tried that...didn't work...brb
<lobezno> if I erase libgstreamer apt remove many other packages like gnome-panel
<MacPlusG3> daniels: saw your blog dude :) don't you love all this online FS stuff :)
<icebalm> lobezno: welcome to the world of dependancies
<lobezno> icebalm, and where is the dependancie?
<daniels> MacPlusG3: yeah, it's awesome
<icebalm> lobezno: the packages apt would remove depend on the package you're trying to remove
<MacPlusG3> daniels: oath. i really wish my desktop was LVM.... i wonder if there's a neat way to convert it....
<daniels> MacPlusG3: i dunno.  i just thought making /home lvm from the start couldn't hurt :)
<MacPlusG3> daniels: i had enough trouble getting debian and raid to behave together (about 15months ago now though)
<MacPlusG3> daniels: i think you've got the original XFS design team to thank for the near-instant online growfs though
<ferris> is there a file-sharing program that i can access kazaa with? or is there a program like kazaa for ubuntu?
<daniels> MacPlusG3: yeah, that was awesome
<daniels> it just happened
<MacPlusG3> daniels: the algorithm is *really* simple too. you write the few blocks needed for an allocation group, then just add the allocation group to the FS and start allocating space there.
<MacPlusG3> daniels: the algorithm for shrinking is a lot nastier. hence it's NYI :)
<daniels> MacPlusG3: yeah, I figured that was something to do with it :)
<DarthFrog> Ubuntu is now supported by LinuxQuestions.org.
<DarthFrog> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/t301683.html
<MacPlusG3> daniels: there's been a bunch of perf tweaks go in recently for XFS too. so newer kernels should rock even more :)
<jimmer_> DarthFrog, 'Support' sucks. people need to learn to read manpages and FAQ's ;)
<DarthFrog> jimmer_: That doesn't work for everyone.  Choice is good.
<MacPlusG3> daniels: and the stack bashers are getting fixed up.... although in some areas it's pretty tricky it seems. just is the case with large codebases :(
<dazed|> hey how can i make gkrellm start with the start of gnome?
<usual> what would a cool domain name be
<DarthFrog> dazed|: It's in the configuration of gkrellm.
<usual> daniels, whatever my issues were with X being laggy are gone
<jimmer_> DarthFrog, well to be honest, now that i've been living in the US for two weeks, I'm beginning to understand how 'Support' became a marketable commodity.
<dazed|> under the general menu?? i thought it was but i cant seem to find it?
<DarthFrog> jimmer_: There is no shortage of folks who either won't or can't think for themselves.
* foreach can't wait till hoary is released officially
<dazed|> darthfrog: i cant seem to find where its at?
<thoreauputic> dazed|: just leave it open and save your gnome session when you log out
<jimmer_> DarthFrog, so i've discovered. Back in EUrope we have our fair share of walking lobotomies, but I've been really impressed by the sheer numbers here in NYC ;)
<DarthFrog> dazed|: I'm not on my Ubuntu computer right now, sorry I can't look it up.
<dazed|> ahh smart thinking thoreauputic
<dazed|> its ok
* jimmer_ thinks it's time to get back to setting up his Linux reality.
<DarthFrog> jimmer_: There's likely no greater fraction of them there (I'm in Burnaby, BC) than back home.  But the sheer # of people there means the absolute # will be higher. :-)
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: maybe they're more vocal in NYC ;-)
<sic|> thoreauputic, fixed...I was putting the bookmarks.html in the wrong dir
<xero1> hey.  does anybody know how to get debian packages in ubuntu's synaptic ?
<jimmer_> DarthFrog, thoreauputic: all very true ;)
<thoreauputic> sic|: ah, yes, that would make it hard to find ;-)
<DarthFrog> thoreauputic: From what I noticed when I visited NYC in the 80's, everything is more vocal or noisier in NYC. :-)
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: exactly :)
<sic|> thoreauputic, well I was looking in the actual mozilla-firefox locations instead of in my home...derrrr!
<farruinn> xero1: that's not a recommended activity...
<thoreauputic> sic|: heh ;-)
<farruinn> xero1: I think if you search ubuntulinux.org for "breaking my ubuntu" you might turn something up
<jimmer_> thoreauputic, DarthFrog: it's also more expensive than anywere else in the US ;)
<Xappe> jimmer_, thas why they call it the apple?
<DarthFrog> jimmer_: And you will find the summer unbearably humid.
<Xappe> *thats
<daniels> edlang: ah, just got your mail
<xero1> :-(
<jimmer_> DarthFrog, ah I'm making my escape at the end of May ;)
<daniels> MacPlusG3: heh, ah well.  sweet.
<farruinn> anyone know if there is a way to make just gnome-terminal not use anti-aliasing?
<daniels> usual: cool
<mjr> farruinn, that's a good question actually, and I don't know
<farruinn> I think it would make my terminal look better...
<xero1> farruinn: then where do u suggest i get programs from? the ubuntu library doesnt look nearly as sophisticated as debians
<wanama> hi to all!
<jimmer_> farruinn, have you considered selecting a larger fontsize and/or using it in bold...
<farruinn> xero1: sophisticated I dont know what you mean by that, but enable universe and multiverse if you're not finding what you're looking for
<wanama> i'm a new ubuntu lover....
<wanama> hey!!! i'm expecting a warm a sweet wlcome!!!
<xero1> farruinn: oh... ok that might be my problem then :-P.  how do i do that?
<farruinn> jimmer_: that's a possibility but I'd rather just have un anti-aliased fonts
<jimmer_> farruinn, each to his own ;)
<farruinn> xero1: take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org, iirc they have instructions for that there
<farruinn> failing that searching www.ubuntulinux.org will guarantee something
<farruinn> jimmer_: thanks for the thought =)
<Dulath> Howdy
<xero1> farruinn: thank you
<jimmer_> I'm out of here, nice talking to y'all ;)
<Dulath> Quick question: How long  does/should  it take approximately to rewrite the Live-CD when you shutdown with a 32 speed recorder?
* thoreauputic falls over in the rush to welcome wanama
<rizla> hello folks
<FLeiXiuS> Hello ;-)
<trans_err> hello rizla
<Dulath> Anyone?
<rizla> can someone help me whit some little problems?
<trans_err> rizla just ask
<rizla> i use mozilla firefox 1.0..
<thoreauputic> Dulath: I never timed it
<edlang> daniels: replied, bug reported
<thoreauputic> Dulath: why do you need to know?
<trans_err> rizla just ask the question
<signal> I'm about to engage myself in trying to get some gentoo users modified version of the tv-out branch of GATOS for ati- tvout support... before i do this, can anyone think of anything dumb i might have left out of my xorg.conf that might help me get the stupid thing to work just using atitvout?
<Dulath> Because it seems to be taking an inordinately long time.
<daniels> edlang: rad, ta
<thoreauputic> Dulath: like how long? hours?
<Dulath> 10 minutes.
<signal> *engage myself in trying to get said version to compile, -just to clarify
<rizla> i have to set the browser so that when i click with the middle button, it open the link in a new tab
<rizla> (i'm sorry for my english :-)
<trans_err> rizla it should automatically do that
<thoreauputic> Dulath: you sure it's running at 32x ?
<Dulath> Pretty sure.
<rizla> no, it doesn't
<thoreauputic> Dulath: check the burner setup, if you're using one and not nautilus
<trans_err> rizla make sure your mouse is working properly, right drivers, et al
<trans_err> brb
<thoreauputic> don't know what speed nautilus would use
<Dulath> Well, I have two burners hooked up.
<rizla> my mouse works properly, the scroll works
<rizla> but when i press it, nothing happen
<farruinn> rizla: how are you using it?  Are you trying to drag stuff around on the panel?
<farruinn> (unlocked items of course)
* farruinn is assuming rizla is talking about the middle mouse button
<signal> <sigh> alright then... this is going to be one of them "learning experiences"
<StoffBox-Steve> my question for today :) >> Is there a Console Command to open the CDRom drive ?
<HrdwrBoB> 'eject'
<farruinn> eject /dev/hd*
<StoffBox-Steve> hmm so simple :D
<StoffBox-Steve> and a command to close it ?
<rizla> the mouse works correctly but the middle button isn't detected...
<FLeiXiuS> rizla: which mouse?
<rizla> (pherhaps)
<rizla> logitec, scroll
<FLeiXiuS> logitech what?
<rizla> i don't know
<mjr> StoffBox-Steve, eject -t
<StoffBox-Steve> great thx mjr :D
<FLeiXiuS> rizla: perhaps you should figure that out
<rizla> sorry, i don't understand
<Quarupted> ANyone know a good tutorial for shell scripting something fairly updated?
<CompotatoJ> Quarupted, it is _really_ simple, you don't even need a tutorial
<pvh> I'm looking for a "free disk space" applet for my panel. Anyone know of one?
<CompotatoJ> Just google linux shell script tutorial
<Quarupted> CompotatoJ, what ya mean?
<Quarupted> i have trust me found millions of em
<wongy> The system monitor has one, look at the resources tab
<dazed|> hey i have an ubuntu laptop and pc both on the same network but when i goto network:/// in nautilus it only picks up their own networks and not the others what do i need to do???
<CompotatoJ> Quarupted, Ok, well then, you should be fine. :D
<thoreauputic> Quarupted: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html  << but it's 5 years old (I don't think bash changes much)
<farruinn> dazed|: I think they'll only show up if you enable filesharing
<pvh> Quarupted: Unless you really need to use BASH scripting, I'd recommend you learn a different language instead.
<wongy> Hi all!  I'm looking at moving my laptop from Debian Testing to the next Ubuntu release.  I'm having trouble finding a package listing to see what versions will change if I do.  Can anyone help?
<pvh> Quarupted: Bash scripts, to make a long story short, suck. :)
<shmoolik> y i can't c movies on totem .... ( he load the movie file but i only hear sound !!! i don't c picture )
<dazed|> farruinn: they both have shared folders enabled ... and it picks up the shared folders of the computer thats sharing them but not the others
<xero1> farruinn: yay i got it.  thanks again!
<pvh> Quarupted: The only advantage they have is that they are bone-easy for simple things.
<pvh> Quarupted: The "Ubuntu way" is Python, which is new and sexy and full of cool toys.
<thoreauputic> pvh: A bit of script writing can only help one's linux knowledge...
<shmoolik> how can i get cosecks ?
<pvh> thoreauputic: True enough, but better to learn something generally applicable, I figure.
<ferris> dazed, are they using the same name for the workgroup?
<thoreauputic> pvh: or both :)
<yoko-omo> anyone know how to auto-complete a word with open office?
<yoko-omo> or where I can find that in the menus?
<pvh> thoreauputic: Heh, yeah. You aren't a real programmer unless you know a dozen languages reasonably well, right?
<dazed|> ferris: im pretty sure they are both on workgroup
<dazed|> it picks up windows networks fine
<dazed|> but not linux networks
<pvh> dazed|: Do you have anything shared? Is that shared thing browsable?
<dazed|> pvh: yes
<dazed|> on both computers
<thoreauputic> pvh: I'm not a programmer, so i won't comment - my biggest effort so far is a glorified kitchentimer in bash with an Xdialog GUI ;)
<pvh> thoreauputic: Not a bad start.
<dud> I recon I have intimate knowledge of 5-10 languages, and familiarity with about 20 others :o
<thoreauputic> pvh: It's goodfor timing pizza ;)
<ferris> the first thing you need to do is set the network workgroups to the same name
<pvh> thoreauputic: My stove is new enough that the clock hasn't broken in it yet.
<dazed|> ferris: they are
<pvh> dazed|: Can you browse them by IP?
<dazed|> i havent tried pvh
<dazed|> let me boot up in ubuntu on laptop real quick and ill tell you] 
<thoreauputic> pvh: haha - I reinvented the wheel ;) But it was a good exercise, and my stove has no timer :)
<pvh> thoreauputic: You gotta build a few wheels before you start building racecars. There was this guy who rebuilt some wheel or other who turned out pretty famous.
<altava> <troll> Shell is power, learn it before any other language</troll>
<pvh> altava: PySH
<dazed|> ferris: on the ubuntu on laptop is hoary and it wont let me 'enable windows networking' there is no option so the laptop has no workgroup
<pvh> dazed|: "apt-get install smbd samba"
<pvh> dazed|: See the ubuntuguide for more details.
<thoreauputic> altava: that wasn't a troll ( you needed to leave the tags out ) ;-)
<altava> Can do almost averything with shell...
<pvh> Can do almost anything with Visual Basic, too
<dazed|> pvh: ahh thats what i forgot...thought i got everything i needed u just reminded me i have it on my pc but not the lap
<pvh> dazed|: Glad to help.
<thoreauputic> the knoppix hard drive installer by Fabian Franz is a shell script...
<dud> an OS that restricts your abilities thourough CLI would be pretty useless IMHO
<dud> sorta like win xp :o
* mjr just generated some LaTeX tables today from raw data with a quick sh script
<pvh> dud: PySH
<mjr> ...but boy, was it _ugly_ :)
<pvh> dud: It's a really cool idea.
<altava> Typical Ubuntu PB: USB keys, Win$ part. : OK with shell work..
<pvh> dud: Instead of dragging programming into your shell, it drags your shell into programming.
<dud> hmmk
<dazed|> pvh no luck in finding smbd samba
<dud> i dunno... for all the good and fantastic stuff about python, i still cant reason with the syntax
<Paralla1> hi, my sound is working fine with xmms, but on doom3 it becomes very distorted and with artifacts, how can i fix that?
<dud> it reminds me of something like locomotive basic on the amstrad cpc
<pvh> dud: What do you prefer?
<dud> for scripting I usually resort to perl, tcl... possibly php for web applications
<pvh> dazed|: Uh... "sudo apt-get install smbd samba" doesn't work? Are your repositories not there?
<dud> but I mainly use perl nowadays
<pvh> dud: I also mainly use perl.
* Quest-Master doesn't like Perl much
<Krause> heya guys :)
<dazed|> no there there
<dazed|> it doesnt find anything
<pvh> dud: But I have to admit, the Perl way of doing OO is heinous.
<Quest-Master> I almost only use Python and PHP nowadays.
<dazed|> their* there
<dud> pvh, true... but I have high hopes for perl6 in terms of OO
<thoreauputic> no such package as smbd AFAIK
<pvh> dazed|: they're there
<thoreauputic> samba yes
<wongy> Okay, i dug around a bit more and found a link to an unofficial package search page (http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/) pretty useful
<dazed|> lol
<thoreauputic> smbfs perhaps?
<pvh> dud: Yeah, me too. Or I was. I've given up hope.
<dazed|> smbfs is there
<Paralla1> My sound is working fine with xmms, but on doom3 it becomes very distorted and with artifacts, how can i fix that?
<pvh> dazed|: My typo.
<wongy> anyone here use gnome-pilot-conduits and evolution in Hoary?
<Krause> i have a quick question :)  i installed Ubuntu on a labtop, with /etc in its own logical partition, and when it loads it cant find the inittab file (which is in /etc) any way around it besids not making /etc its own mount point?
<Anubis> Warning - your system does not have an ftp user, and thus anonymous FTP is probably not configured.
<pvh> dazed|: The ubuntuguide will explain how to do it.
<dazed|> ohh ok lol i thought i was going crazy :/
<altava> About samba: apt-get install smb-client ... About network : /etc/samba/smb.conf WORKGROUP=win_namr ;)
<dud> pvh, well... it doesnt matter too much for me to be honest. as long as I'm able to deliver solutions that works well for customers :)
<mjr> Krause, putting /etc on its own filesystem is a bad idea
<signal> I'm trying to compile a gentoo package of the ATI.2 driver, and its the path to X.Org's tree... can anyone explain what the heck is going on here?
<dud> I'll use any frikkin language that suites the task really
<Krause> ahh ok, point taken then :)
<pvh> dud: Yeah, it just doesn't scale well.
<Krause> it works when i dont do that :D
<Krause> thanks :) ill set it up without doin that now, soon as this new Hoary install cd which i just saw was released in preview finishes burning :)
<dud> Krause, /etc contains fstab, which is the file the boot process looks up for checking which partitions to mount and how to mount them
<msh_> away afk
<shmoolik> does someone here knows from were i can get w32codecs*.deb ?
<dud> and of course, it cant read a partition without having mounted it
<Krause> yea i kinda thought that was the problem, but then how does /boot know what partition / is on?
<virtuald> what's the /srv dir for?
<Krause> cause ive made /boot and / seperate before and it worked fine
<dud> the boot process knows thourgh the bootloader where root is
<dud> through
<Krause> ahhhh
<altava> Krause: man grub..
<Krause> so as long as etc is in root it is set
<dud> yeah
<dazed|> in my Network Settings i cannot select 'enable windows networking' there is no option?
<dud> I have to say... ubuntu doesnt quite have the excellent windows shares integration of eg. xandros and mepis yet ;/
<altava> dazed: I repeat : /etc/samba/smb.conf do Workroup=same_name_that_your_win$'s one
<Krause> oh before i go (thanks again guys :) ) is 500mb too small for a /tmp partition? its a 10 gig HD and i dont wanna allocate too much if its not needed
<dud> Krause, do you intend to have this computer very public and accessible?
<Krause> no
<dud> prone to hacking?
<orko> do you still need to append="mem=2048MB" for 2.6 kernels? (server has 2GB, but only sees 1)
<zenrox> Krause, do a /boot ,/ and a /home and swap
<dud> if so there is really no need for so many partitions
<Krause> naa, but i still like seperating the /tmp just incase :)
<dazed|> atlava: i cant find where it says "Workgroup" in that file...or should i add it if so where?
<thoreauputic> Krause: do you burn CDs ? If so, you will need to redefine the /tmp dir for your burner
<dphase> why do you like seperating it
<zenrox> Krause,  no need to
<dphase> there really is no need
<Krause> ahh
<mjr> Krause, you might consider mounting /tmp as tmpfs (and using a single fs for all the rest ;)
<mjr> plus swap
<dazed|> wait i found it
<Krause> for some reason when i was learning linux little over a year ago, most guides and info stressed making multiple partitions
<dazed|> and its set on workgroup
<Krause> so i guess it is a bad habit i got
<zenrox> Krause, only onee needed ar / , and a swap and ,/home
<altava> dazed: line 27 in "global settings"...
<Paralla1> My sound is working fine with xmms, but on doom3 it becomes very distorted and with artifacts, does anyone know whats wrong?
<Krause> any bonus to having /boot in its own?
<thoreauputic> Krause: no, not any more
<zenrox> nope
<Krause> what was the bonus, i rember reading it in the past, but been so long i forgot
<thoreauputic> Krause: used to be with the 1024 cyclinder BIOS limit
<Krause> ahhh
<thoreauputic> *cylinder
<trans_err> where do i blacklist modules?
<altava> /etc/hotplugs/blacklist
<thoreauputic> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
<dazed|> is it because they both have the same server names...could that be why???
<altava> Sorry hotplug..
<altava> dazed: change it
<Krause> hmm, so if i just do /  and /home and swap, should i place the swap at the beginning before / ?  (usually i put it after /boot, for drive read speed)
<dazed|> altava: how do i change it never had to before?
<zenrox> Krause,  dont matter
<thoreauputic> Krause: I really don't think it matters
<altava> dazed: /etc/hostname
<thoreauputic> dazed|: hostname
<Krause> ahh ok :)
<gratuit> does anyone know of a qt theme that uses the current gtk theme to do it's drawing, i.e. make all kde apps look like gtk apps? I know there is a gtk theme that looks like kde.....
<zenrox> Krause,  mine is in the middle and no slow does
<dazed|> ohhh ok
<zenrox> downs
<thoreauputic> Krause: a lot of these recommendations are from a time when hardware was a lot less forgiving and powerful
<dazed|> thoreaputic: once i change the host name do ihave to restart x cuz nothing is launching now
<altava> Nobody's care bout my sound prob...: ALSA vs OSS ?
<zenrox> yep and thay stuck around
<Quest-Master> I use ALSA mostly, altava
<thoreauputic> dazed|: yes
<Quest-Master> Except when playing MIDI
<Krause> ahh ok then thanks :) seems i got allot of oldschool habits i need to shake outta my head :)
<thoreauputic> dazed|: in fact you have to log out
<altava> Wanna fired oss how do I ?..
<Paralla1> when i try to install wine it says that It can't be authenticated !!! How do I install it then ???
<zenrox> Paralla1, irnore that error
<Paralla1> zenrox: but how do I do it then ?
<zenrox> err ignore
<zenrox> let it install any way
<altava> OSS = low level sound ; alsa was Ok, gstreamer-properties don't work...
<dazed|> my hostname has been changed successfully i have checked it but when i bring up network:/// its still showing the old hostname
<dazed|> do i ahve to un/reshare my folders?
<Paralla1> apt-get install wine
<Paralla1> It gives me the error and good bye
<thoreauputic> Paralla1: if that's apt-get it just means you are getting the package from an outside repository
<pvh> Can anyone direct me to a DVD burning troubleshooter?
<altava> dazed:/etc/init.d/networking restart
<zenrox> Paralla1, just do a sudo apt-get install wine
<Paralla1> thats what I'm doing
<zenrox> Paralla1, then try snyaptic
<Paralla1> ok got it now, thanxs
<zenrox> n/p
<usual> sup Quarupt
<Quarupt> NM
<dazed|> still not bringing up the shared folders...ohhhh welll
<Quarupt> testing the AMD64-Live image
<usual> k
<usual> Quarupt, what would a cool domain name be
<pvh> usual: "ACoolDomainName.com"
<Quarupt> lol, Mine is Quarupted
<Quarupt> lol
<Quarupt> I dunno
<usual> k
<pvh> usual: "notquiteusual.com"
<usual> ahh
<altava> My problem : OSS work but at very low level , Alsa was fine but disapeared under OSS after a new instal. Avance logic AC 97 snd card + intel82801. (Don't know bout snd settings..)
<zenrox> usual,  nottheusualwebpage.org
<pvh> usual: "UnusuallyUsual"
<thoreauputic> totallyirrelevant.org
<technomajian> "betyoudneverguessthisone.net"
<usual> cool
<usual> thanks guys
<usual> don't wanna go off topic too long
<pvh> that'll be $9.95 for my marketing services
<usual> had some issues with a dick op in debian before
<zenrox> lol
<usual> pvh, bill me :)
<pvh> usual: ubuntu is a nice distribution
<usual> yes it is
<thoreauputic> pvh: gee, you're cheap *grin*
<pvh> thoreauputic: That was my bill for about five seconds of time.
<zenrox> good mix of cli and gui
<usual> has anyone replaced metacity with something and still managed to keep a "human" theme
* technomajian offers technical services in exchange for pecan pie.  That'll be 1 pie, usual.
<thoreauputic> pvh: hehe
<Dekkard> ..thinking of sneaking an ubuntu install onto my mums old hp desktop..but she has no broadband..updating woudl be a bear...
<usual> 1 slice he
<Quarupt> whats Metacity?
<Quarupt> A theme?
<usual> the window manager in gnome
<Dekkard> metacity is the file browser
<Dekkard> oops window manager
<Dekkard> the heir of sawfish i think
<Quinn_Storm> quick question, trying to set up KDE on ubuntu, but there is some kind of problem with the konq-plugins package...the version provided is older than the general kde install, and conflicts with kdelibs and such.  any thoughts?
<Quarupt> Quinn_Storm,  just use kubuntu-desktop
<pvh> Dekkard: One work around for lowbandwidth would be to burn the necessary updates to a CD from time to time and take them over to your Dear Old Mum
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: thank you muchly
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: that's kde3.4 right?
<Dekkard> not a bad idea pvh
* pvh tips his hat
<Quarupt> Quinn_Storm, yessir
<Dekkard> maybe lod them onto a thumb drive...
<pvh> Dekkard: Even better
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: thanks, aptgetting right now.  saw kde3.4 on /. today and couldn't wait to try it out, heh
<Dekkard> hmmm
<dud> pvh, is that an evil hat coloured red? :o
<Quarupt> Quinn_Storm, Yea I have been running it for a few feeks now, its beautiful
<pvh> dud: Not for several years now
<dud> pvh, I hope not hehe :P
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: I'm glad for ubuntu b/c debian core still isn't ready to move up to xorg, heh
<dud> your face would be white then....
<Quarupt> SID is using Xorg
<Xappe> sid viscious?
<Xappe> :)
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: it wasn't the last time I apt-get updated to the current sid (a few moments ago)...maybe I need to look into the packages more deeply
<jdub> Quarupt: sid doesn't have xorg.
<Quarupt> Oh maybe i did that myself
<Quarupt> my bad
<crimsun> heh, Sid most definitely uses XFree86 :-)
<freex> hello to all
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: probably, heh, I thought about that but I'd rather use ubuntu than wait for it to compile
<dud> has anyone used the agnula/demudi distro for recording btw?
<freex> i've just installed warty in my PC, and when i click on synapse nothing comes out?
<dud> this isnt really the place to ask(TM), but I'll ask anyway as it is debian based hehe ;o
<Quinn_Storm> dud: never heard of those...what are they?
<Quarupt> Debian doesnt even have a package for Xorg? you have to compile it?
<dud> Quinn_Storm, specialized audio distros
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: yep, no xorg package that I know of outside of ubuntu on debian-based...maybe someone else knows something I don't?
<Quinn_Storm> dud: I see, cool
<dud> tending to low latency and stability basically for audio professionals
<Quinn_Storm> I do want to say though that outside of debian-based, I've never seen a linux/*nix distro where there were (i386) binary packages for /everything/ and where 99.999% or so of packages "just work"
<Quinn_Storm> oh, quick question, I usually pick gdm, but what's everyone's favorite between gdm/kdm?
<dud> Quinn_Storm, its the power of apt :)
<geneo93> crimsun:  are you busy
<crimsun> geneo93: sorting some packages, but otherwise not terribly so. What's up?
<dud> I rather like xdm, the old-school user that I am
<Quinn_Storm> dud: apt and a lot of people working to make sure the whole thing works, heh, including those in ubuntu and the debian team themselves...lol, xdm is nice but it isn't pretty, heh
<freex> i've just installed warty in my PC, and when i click on synapse nothing comes out?
<crimsun> I'm rather fond of xdm, too.
<dud> thruth be told, I use gdm on my ubuntu though
<dud> just for ease and showing off to my mates :P
<Quinn_Storm> I think I'll stick with gdm myself...though eventually I'll have to try kdm
<geneo93> well i was using dun for ubuntu and i now hooked up lan it says its connected but i cant get any response but here in mandrake its fine
<thoreauputic> unsupported xorg packages for debian sid>>  http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909
<dud> freex, try writing eject on the command line if you want something to come out of your pc :O
<geneo93> any ideas crimsun
<Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: I think that repository is gone actually
<crimsun> geneo93: "dun"?
<geneo93> dial up
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: dial-up networking, probably
<Quinn_Storm> it's a windows term
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: ah, someone should tell the dpkg bot in #debian :)
<dud> one gotta love debian... the seldom time that a new release happens, its the biggest thing on the net
<dud> because its so darn rare hehe
<DarthFrog> For 15 minutes, anyway.
<Quinn_Storm> dud: lol, yeah, when sarge finally goes gold debian torrents will complete in moments
<dud> I remember when woody replaced potatoe... talk about buzz hehe :D
<dud> back then slashdot just went crazy hehe
<DarthFrog> Wonder how long it will take to get etch out after sarge.
<dud> 3 years I'd recon....
<Quinn_Storm> Well it depends on wether they really do drop official support for extra architectures
<altava> Does anyone knows about a good webcam for ubuntu? No settings required..
<dud> but they have talked about limiting the supported archs to speed up the release time.....
<dud> altava, most webcams are supported now
<DarthFrog> Quinn_Storm: Right.  Fewer official architectures should mean a shorter devel cycle, one hopes.
<altava> philips toucam:((
<Quinn_Storm> yay! ugly keramik default gone in favor of plastik! (just got it up and running)
<gaatmx> Sid=unstable & Sarge=testing???
<dud> then again... debian IS debian
<geneo93> funny thing comes up in network-sdmin though says mshome.net instead of mshome and when i change it the box evaporats
<DarthFrog> gaatmx: Yes.
<DarthFrog> gaatmx: Sid will always be unstable. :-)
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: that's a good decision
<crimsun> geneo93: can you resolve your fully-qualified hostname?
<Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: KDE 3.4 is nice and shiny
<geneo93> i was using dhcp
<gaatmx> DarthFrog.- Therefore, SID IS more "edge-bleeding"??
<thoreauputic> keramik looked like a refugee design from a 70s commune
<Riddell> Quinn_Storm: any specific shiny bit you like?
<geneo93> it says ubuntu
<Quinn_Storm> Riddell: not sure yet, -just- installed it, heh, but its -pretty-!
<DarthFrog> gaatmx: Well, when you're on the cutting edge, you might bleed! :-)
<dud> kde just has too much buttons and .... well, stuff
* DarthFrog likes keramik. :-)
* Riddell has spent all day removing buttons and stuff from kubuntu
<Riddell> does ubuntu have a menu entry for running the file manager as root?
<geneo93> kde does a lot more though
* DarthFrog likes buttons and stuff.
<dud> I havent still encountered an unsolvable problem using gnome
<raptor9k> what package would i find the libgnutls.so.10 file in?
<dud> double negative :o
<crimsun> geneo93: ok, I'll rephrase: can you resolve the ip address assigned to your primary network interface (usually eth0)?
<altava> Riddell: ?? chmod -ao name_of_prog
<crimsun> libgnutls10: /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.10
<crimsun> ^^ raptor9k
<geneo93> i'll see bbiab crimsun
<raptor9k> i'm receiving an error when NetworkManagerInfo tries to start, says the file is missing
<Riddell> altava: that's not what I'm asking, I'm asking if by default ubuntu has a menu entry to run nautilus as super user
<DarthFrog> Riddell: Are you removing capabilities from KDE or just re-organising their presentation?
<Riddell> DarthFrog: just reorganising things, menus and panel etc
<dud> I don't believe it has that menu entry Riddell
<DarthFrog> Riddell: Phew!
<Riddell> dud: cool, thanks
<dud> at least not hoary as far as I can see
<mdz> Riddell: no, Ubuntu doesn't have such a menu option
<mdz> and I consider the idea vaguely evil
<mhz> drasko ??
<lobezno> how can I watch divx with gstreamer?
<dud> but then again, I've just had two quite massively huge glasses of wine :/
<NetwrkMonkey> how do i get usb headset/headphones to work in ubuntu?
<NetwrkMonkey> the system sees them
<NetwrkMonkey> i see them in the volume control
<altava> lobezno:apt-get install w32codecs or something like that (need marillat)
<NetwrkMonkey> but not sure how to switch the audio from the main speakers to the headphones
<freex> dud: thanks for that very useful answer, does it have a service already?
<raptor9k> crimsun, thanks that seems to have fixed it
<lobezno> altava, but with xine I can see divx
<DarthFrog> mdz: Vaguely evil? Hmm. Why?
<dud> freex, hmm? does what have a service?
<wasabi_> What should I use for frequency scaling on a laptop (ppc)?
<wasabi_> I want it to scale down when it's on battery automaticayll
<freex> dud: writing eject
<mdz> DarthFrog: because I can't think of a use case for it, and it's a dangerous thing to expose in the desktop
<dud>  writing eject ejects your cdrom
<Nox> How do I use enlightenment under gnome?
<dud> unless its busy that is
<altava> lobezno:xine only here;) but I've heard bout smthing for gstreamer...
<freex> dud: hehehe good one.
<geneo93> crimsun:  seems to work now got a 192.168.0.255
<dud> I'm the good one in the good, the bad and the ubly
<dud> ugly
<freex> dud: but am talking about synapse not my cdrom
<crimsun> geneo93: ah, you're NATed
<freex> havent you notice that?
<freex> "good one"
<geneo93> yup i'm in ubuntu
<DarthFrog> geneo93: 0.255?  Are you sure that's not your brodcast address?
<dud> freex, synaptic? try loading it from a terminal to catch any quit error messages
<geneo93> thats in the ifconfig
<DarthFrog> s/broadcast/brodcast/
<freex> dud: how will i do that?
<crimsun> geneo93: ok, and you're having problems with...?
<freex> <<< new in ubuntu and in linux
<dud> not terribly normal for a NAT router to deliver out a 0.255 adress....
<Dulath> When burning the Live CD, I don't want to close/finalize the CD, right?
<DarthFrog> freex: Welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)
<dud> freex, click on the Applications on the top of your screen, then System Tools, and Terminal
<marcus__> Hello.. How do I open up the Universal list for packages through apt-get?
<d27654> What's the preferred method of diddling with services in Ubuntu?  Just edit the file?  I'm a redhat "chkconfig" convert. :)
<geneo93> crimsun:  scanner epson 1250 prefection photo
<freex> okay, how will i invoke synapse from there?
<dud> then just write synaptic freex
<geneo93> use plustek module
<dud> synaptic not synapse
<crimsun> geneo93: I'm not one for scanners, apologies.
<freex> okay thanks dud
<Dulath> Anyone?
<geneo93> and sane only find my capture card
<dud> Dulath, both would work... whatever lifts your skirt
<geneo93> crimsun:  thats ok
<Dulath> How can it rewrite to a closed CD-R?
<DarthFrog> Lifts your skirt???  LOL!
<dud> you cant rewrite unless its a cd-rw not cd-r
<DarthFrog> Dulath: You can't.
<Dulath> Oh, that's helpful to know.
<dud> as in ReWrite
<Dulath> I suppose I could have figured that out myself
<marcus__> Hello.. How do I open up the Universal list for packages through apt-get?
<marcus__> Or.. How may I access jigdo within Ubuntu?
<d27654> well crap, it uses inetd instead of xinetd by default?
<dud> heh, the questions never stops in #ubuntu for sure :o
<dud> marcus__, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
* technomajian is still downloading Ubuntu for the first time to try it out, so all he can ask is "Mom, are we there yet?  Mom, are we there yet?  Mom?"
<marrrrkkk> how can i install ubuntu from but starting the pc from a Dos floppy?
<dud> marrrrkkk, start your pc from a linux boot floppy or a linux cdrom
<marrrrkkk> the pc does not boot from cd
<marrrrkkk> and the  image on ubuntu cd gave me an error
<thoreauputic> marrrrkkk: from windows, writing a boot floppy for a linux install involves using the rawrite program
<marrrrkkk> yes i did that
<geneo93> marrrrkkk:  does the f12 key give you boot options
<neom> http://fun.drno.de/flash/howto_turn_windows_into_linux.swf
<marrrrkkk> no when i start it it give me an error
<marrrrkkk> somone told me a bout a utility linld to start up the kernel - but i do not know how to use it
<geneo93> marrrrkkk:  how old is that thing
<thoreauputic> neom: heh - funny but hardly accurate :)
<cef> so how stable in the new evo, anyone?
<marrrrkkk> pentium one 1.8gb
<geneo93> how much ram
<marrrrkkk> 64
<geneo93> not enough for gui
<Xappe> not enough for gnome you mean
<Xappe> i'm sure he can run like fluxbox or something
<geneo93> not enough for much of anything really todays world
<marrrrkkk> i want tu install a basic system
<Xappe> it would be a nice router/firewall
<geneo93> smoothwall or the like
<marrrrkkk> just for browsing and connecting to an windows 2000 internet gateway
<geneo93> hehe i'm connected to an xp box atm getting sp2
<Xappe> geneo93, i would go for shorewall
<geneo93> not mine thank god
<Xappe> hehe
<dud> marrrrkkk, not to be evil and promote other distributions here... but you might want to consider something like slackware?
<dud> ubuntu is very stream-lined towards modern computers...
<geneo93> Xappe:  smoothwall has lots of nice features
<marrrrkkk> which version of slackware?
<dud> marrrrkkk, the newest I'd suppose
<geneo93> marrrrkkk:  you could try damn small linux on that thing
<marrrrkkk> somone else suggeted me vector linux
<sean_> all my windows disapear insted of dropping into the panel,what did I do?
<marrrrkkk> ok
<dud> vector linux is mainly for asian users
<d27654> Did they build the kernel without items like the ham radio packet radio, etc?
<sean_> anyone?
<geneo93> dsl is 50 mb
<thoreauputic> dud: where did you get that idea? Vecor is Canadian!
<thoreauputic> *vector
<thoreauputic> Vector is Slack based (nice distro)
<sean_> opps fixed it
<sean_> i am stuptid
<Xappe> geneo93, well, shorewall is total rock 'n' roll
<Xappe> ;)
<geneo93> hehe maybe they have asians in canada
<sean_> and I cant spell
<dud> Sorry thoreauputic, I was thinking turbo linux :o
<dud> dunno why hhe
<dud> heh*
<Fackamato> How do I check the size of a directory and all the files and subdirs in it?
<thoreauputic> dud: ah i see
<thoreauputic> du -H
<thoreauputic> or du -h
<geneo93> conectiva is spanish
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: if it's a big directory I'd redirect the output to a file
<Fackamato> thanks
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: du -h > directoryinfo   or something
<dud> well, time for me to hit the crib :)
<dud> cheers people
<Fackamato> nn dud
<thoreauputic> see you dud :)
<Fackamato> I wish gnome's nautilus had that, rightclick a dir, properties, and get the size info ;(
<thoreauputic> Fackamato:  Edit > Preferences > Display
<miketech> Hi
<miketech> we are currently testing the hoary live cd
<miketech> now we wanna restart the networking devices, but we don't have root access, because we don't know the password :)
<miketech> what is the root password for the hoary live cd?
<geneo93> miketech:  you have a mouse in your pocket
<crimsun> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
<miketech> ah ok
<miip> is the 5.04 preview unstable or sofe to use?
<miip> safe
<kain> I use it and I'm happy with it
<d27654> I use it, love it
<miip> ok thanks
<crimsun> it's certainly safe, but Hoary has been updated quite a bit since its release
<Fackamato> I use it, loev it
<geneo93> here too
<DarthFrog> miip: Don't put it on a production server.  It's a great desktop, though.
<thoreauputic> miip: just sacrifice your first-born and you should be fine ;-)
<Fackamato> thoreauputic: I can't find "directory size" there
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: just realised the "size" option for directories in Nautilus just tells you the number of files in the directory - pretty useless
<mhz> ping drasko ??
<Fackamato> thoreauputic: :>
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: it does show file sizes though - just select the top option as "size"
<deville_75> hi i need help with the sound on my computer
<crimsun> deville_75: shoot.
<mhz> hey, deville_75
<deville_75> my sound isnt working, and i dont kno how to install drivers
<crimsun> deville_75: what sound card?
<mhz> did you try your sound as root?
* stephen- was just going to ask the same question as deville_75
<deville_75> well im not sure, i went to device manager but its old so it doesnt have a name
<deville_75> sound as root?
<crimsun> deville_75: do you know if it's ISA or PCI?
<deville_75> most likely PCI
<stephen-> Mine's pci, sound blaster.. something or other, any idea where I can get drivers?
<crimsun> deville_75: paste the output of ,,lspci -v'' onto http://pastebin.ca
<mhz> deville_75: basically, I am starting with very usual problems, like user has no permission for sound
<deville_75> ok
<crimsun> stephen-: _which_ soundblaster pci card?
<stephen-> crimsun, I really don't know, I always used some 3rd party drivers on windows because I didn't know what kind
<mhz> deville_75: if sound works when you are logged as root, then your card is ok and you only gotta let user access sound group
<stephen-> crimsun, It's a sound blaster audigy or something, I don't know the model
<geneo93> hell i got an old vibra 16 that works
<pablo928> I'm trying to install java....can anyone help me?
<deville_75> oh
<crimsun> stephen-: please follow the same instructions I gave deville_75
<deville_75> how do i do that?
<stephen-> crimsun, I'm on it :)
<dazed_> pablo928: goto www.ubuntuguide.org
<deville_75> crimsun: ive pasted it, do i jus press enter?
<crimsun> pablo928: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<dazed_> they have an amazing walk through for java
<mhz> deville_75: are you talking to me?
<deville_75> ya
<deville_75> mhz:how do i do that,
<pablo928> dazed: I've tried that, but I'm still having problems
<mhz> deville_75: ah, ok :)
<deville_75> hehe
<dazed_> wpablo928:hat kind of problems
<dazed_> pablo928: what kind of problems*
<mhz> deville_75: first, in a terminal, log in as usual... and then write: groups
<crimsun> whoever just posted to pastebin.ca: you need to paste the output of that command, not just the command :-)
<geneo93> crimsun:  ya know my java dir has jre 1.5 instead of j2re 1.5
<stephen-> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/7601
<mhz> deville_75: if the output says audio, cdrom, etc...
<deville_75> im new to Linux, howdo i log in Terminal
<mhz> deville_75: ah... good point
<pablo928> I pasted all the commands from the guide and when I get to cd browse_to _your _download _folder sit says no such file
<LifeEscalade> hey every1
<mhz> deville_75: are you using Gnome?
<crimsun> stephen-: you actually have 2 cards: your onboard Intel AC97 and the Audigy
<deville_75> ya
<stephen-> crimsun, Yeah I know; I want to use the audigy obviously
<dazed_> pablo928: 'brows_to_your_download_folder' is just an example you actually have to put the folder where you downloaded it to not those words
<mhz> deville_75: then there's gotta be an icon that looks like a black screen of a monitor
<crimsun> stephen-: cat /proc/asound/modules
<deville_75> its in applications, it says root terminal, thers also terminal
<deville_75> which one?
<mhz> terminal
<dazed_> pablo928: say you download to your desktop it would look like 'cd /home/<usr name>/Desktop'
<stephen-> crimsun, Can I paste those two lines in here?
<pablo928> I tried cd home and still no such file
* stephen- hasn't had a chance to read channel rules yet
<Otheos> hey all
<Otheos> help please
<crimsun> stephen-: sure
<mhz> deville_75: if you use root terminal, means that you become the super user and therefore you MUST know what you do and the password for his log
<dazed_> pablo928: try cd /home
<stephen-> crimsun 0 snd_intel8x0  1 snd_emu10k1
<LifeEscalade> Im new to linux and i was wondering if anyone could help me out a little bit with the commands and how I install programs
<deville_75> ya i kno the password, ive been in it before
<pablo928> Thanks dazed, I'll try that.
<mhz> deville_75: instead, Terminal means you access as the user currently logged
<deville_75> ok...so i should use the current one?
<mhz> better
<deville_75> ok
<dazed_> pablo928: but make sure u change to the directory where u downloaded java to or else it wont work
<Otheos> anyone ever use a raid card with ubuntu...
<deville_75> then wut
<mhz> deville_75: once in terminal, you 'll see something like $
<deville_75> yup
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Ok heres a good question.....How do I downgrade my 7167 nvidia drivers to the 6629 ??
<thoreauputic> deville_75: you don't ever really *need8 to use the root terminal ( I don't)
<deville_75> oh
<mhz> after that $ just write the word (or command) group
<crimsun> stephen-: ok, so what I advise you do is tell alsa that you prefer all other sound cards over the onboard Intel AC97
<mhz> after that $ just write the word (or command) groups
<deville_75> ok
<crimsun> stephen-: are you on Hoary?
<deville_75> it says command not foun
<deville_75> found*
<mhz> deville_75: groups ??
<deville_75> ther
<stephen-> crimsun, no, not the preview release one.. the other, I haven't had a chance to download the iso's yet
<LifeEscalade> does anyone here know how to install programs onto linux?
<pablo928> I've got it now dazed thanks alot.
<d27654> ubuntuguide is a bit out of date?  apt-get install acroread (and acroread-plugin) no workie
<mhz> deville_75: hmmmmmm strange very is
<crimsun> stephen-: warty?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Ok heres a good question.....How do I downgrade my 7167 nvidia drivers to the 6629 ??
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Anybody?
<stephen-> crimsun, yes thats it.
<thenuke> pablo928: try synaptic
<sic|> whats the trick to make xine or any other player see my dvd burner/player?
<crimsun> Butters|XGH|Snip: erm, how did you end up with 1.0-7167?
<thenuke> pablo928: you find it from the menus
<Butters|XGH|Snip> crimsun, lol I installed and patched them
<thoreauputic> LifeEscalade: no, not one of the 372 people here knows ;)
<crimsun> stephen-: hmm, there's a different approach for Warty
<crimsun> stephen-: type this in a terminal: echo "snd-emu10k1" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
<stephen-> crimsun, snd-emu10k1
<DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Oh, I think one or two of us might have a glimmering. :-)
<marrrrkkk> is sbm.bin the boot image for the booting diskette?
<thoreauputic> LifeEscalade: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
<crimsun> stephen-: excellent. Now when you next reboot, your Audigy will be the first card (card0)
<LifeEscalade> thank you thoreauputic
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: ;-)
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I think I'm screwed
<stephen-> crimsun, Thanks! :) bbiab
<DarthFrog> Butters|XGH|Snip: Then relax and enjoy it!
<Butters|XGH|Snip> DarthFrog, But I have to have Nvidia 3D to enjoy it ;P
<geneo93> yeah dont fight it you might get hurt
<Butters|XGH|Snip> nobody knows how to downgrade nvidia drivers?
<DarthFrog> Butters|XGH|Snip: I'm afraid you're going to have to wait a while.
<geneo93> Butters|XGH|Snip:  if you have nvidias installer you can remove driver
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  why not stick with 7176 driver
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol the driver keeps crashing on me I guess
<zenrox> how so
<Butters|XGH|Snip> it completely locks up my 2.6.11 kernel
<zenrox> have you modprobe that driver
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I get the nvidia splash and everything when I boot
<zenrox> might try downgrading you kernel
<Butters|XGH|Snip> wait oh damn.... I guess I do need to modprobe it huh?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I thought a reboot would do that too though
<marrrrkkk> how do i make a booting diskette for launching the installation of ubuntu?
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  as long as nvidia is added to /etc/modules
<LifeEscalade> does anyone know if I can play counter strike on ubuntu?
<Fackamato> LifeEscalade: err of course
<LifeEscalade> and if so, how would I go about installing it?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, yeah its in there already
<crimsun> LifeEscalade: using Cedega or Wine, yes
<Fackamato> get cedega
<Fackamato> then google a howto
<Butters|XGH|Snip> LMAO I've been playing CS all night
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol till my nvidia drivers crashed on me
<LifeEscalade> I take it cedega is a win emu?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> its not an emu
<LifeEscalade> X.x
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator
<Butters|XGH|Snip> )
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  i jsut rebotted when thay quit worken
<zenrox> for me
<Butters|XGH|Snip> ah so your screwed to huh?
<zenrox> no
<zenrox> i jsut reboot and thay work
<Xappe> but cedega is not free. it's like $20 a month
<Butters|XGH|Snip> LMAO not $20
<Xappe> you can get a free version, cvscedega though
<crimsun> $5/mo
<Butters|XGH|Snip> try $5...its $15 to sign up but that pays for 3 months worth of updates
<Xappe> oops
<Xappe> :D
<speel> Xappe, dude torrent that biznatch
<LifeEscalade> is wine free?
<geneo93> crimsun:  is that codeweavers wine
<crimsun> wine is free
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Wine is free but its not as good as Cedega/Point2Play
<dazed_> what do i need to fix this error 'ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.'
<crimsun> geneo93: no, transgaming's winex/cedega
<cef> also: once installed you can keep using it, but you get no updates
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I play Source on Cedega
<zenrox> dazed_,  enable your nvidia driver
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I normally get about 80fps
<LifeEscalade> well my pc isnt good enough for source... my pc is soo old it doesnt have an agp 4x port
<Butters|XGH|Snip> on Source
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol on 1.6 I get about 200fps
<LifeEscalade> -_-
<zenrox> whare do you get the source to CS
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol hell glxgears outputted 15,000 for me
<LifeEscalade> oh how i wish
<Fackamato> Butters|XGH|Snip: what graphics card do you have?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Geforce 6800 GT OC
<Fackamato> nice
<Fackamato> give me that ;P
<LifeEscalade> Source is a new edition of Counterstrike
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol my friend hooked me up...only broke me $300
<Fackamato> source is counter-strike based on the source engine (the engine that HL2 uses)
<Butters|XGH|Snip> he works at BestBuy ;D
<miip> no source is a 3d engine
<Fackamato> err i must be tired or something
<ChrisC_> sorry if this is a FAQ but I couldn't find anything ... so, I'll bite:  what's SABDFL stand for?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, So you think a reboot will fix it?
<LifeEscalade> Well, all I want to know is the in's and out's of using a linux system
<Fackamato> son of a bitch, dig fucking longer ?;P
<dazed_> zenrox: how do i enable my nvidia driver...and/or get my nvidia driver
<dazed_> do i dl standard windows nvidia drivers?
<ChrisC_> My guess is South African B____ D____ Fearless Leader
<kain> Mark Shuttleworth
<DoppelGanger> gives dazed_ genius award
<ChrisC_> kain: that I know
<kain> really dunno what that means
<zenrox> dazed_,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvidia driver install
<Butters|XGH|Snip> ok I'm rebooting again...hope it fixes it
<dazed_> thanks DoppleGanger...cant all be such a wizz as you ^-
<ChrisC_> South African Born D____ Fearless Leader
<dazed_> btw what is a doppleganger...a human overlay after one goes back in time?
<DoppelGanger> dazed_: google
<LifeEscalade> lol
<miip> if you clone yourself twice, the clones are doppelgngers ;)
<Xappe> ohoh, I can buy a 300 GB Maxtor for something like $130
<dazed_> ahhh ok
<Xappe> a "dont ask any questions" deal
<Xappe> *don't
<Otheos> hi folks
<NetwrkMonkey> i got my headphones sorted out
<geneo93> but why
<NetwrkMonkey> mmm these headphones rock
<Xappe> I stepped on mine. they're totally broken
<tritium> B.D. = Benevolent Dictator
<marrrrkkk> when im installing it giving me the error cannot open root device
<cef> note that a doppleganger basically refers to something that looks (or behaves) exactly the same as something else, but in reality may be something different
<ChrisC_> S.A. = Secret Acronym :)
<d27654> eth1 connects to my neighbor's hub again I'm gonna shoot it
<ChrisC_> Secret Acronym Best Disguised From Lusers !
<thoreauputic> ChrisC_: South African Boss D -- Fearless Leader ?
<IkoN> why is it that when i run the update manager i have to use the normal user password  instead of root's ?
<rever> Hi I am trying to install msttcorefonts. I added mutliverse and did sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts. It gives me this....
<thoreauputic> ChrisC_: I like yours better :)
<IkoN> if i use root's password i get a "wrong" pass error
<rever> Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<rever> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<rever> is only available from another source
<rever> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
<ChrisC_> South African Boss Determined to Force Linux !
<stuNNed> IkoN: because that is the way sudo acts, check your /etc/sudoers file you'll see your name in there :)
<ChrisC_> This is fun :)
<zenrox> IkoN,  casue thare ant spost to be a root
<DarthFrog> ChrisC_: What's the URL?
<IkoN> hrm, but sudo passwd root allowed me to the change the pass, cant i make a 'root' ?
<DarthFrog> IkoN: You probably did.
<IkoN> i dont want to run an account with full admin rights
<IkoN> wtf, esp be on IRC with it..
<IkoN> thats ghetto security
<thoreauputic> IkoN: the apps use gksudo, front end for sudo
<ChrisC_> DarthFrog: there was an email annoucement today by Jeff Waugh regarding the naming of Ubuntu 5.10, and he kept referring to SABDFL
<Xappe> IkoN, what's the difference...they could get your root pass as easily as your sudo pass
<DarthFrog> ChrisC_: Have you seen that email on any of the news sites?
<thoreauputic> IkoN: you aren't running as root except for the command prefixed with "sudo"
<Xappe> if you're paranoid
<sic|> problem: Xine disappears when telling it to play a dvd, any suggestions?
<IkoN> if you dont use secure password's they can get (not saying any box isnt hackable) but using an account with admin rights is like saying.. 'hey heres my box, IP, and main account.. HACK ME PLEASE'
<ChrisC_> DarthFrog: hmmm, no, and no google hits either ...
<Xappe> another problem: firefox dies when telling it to browse...
<thoreauputic> IkoN: youhaven't understood how sudo works
<stuNNed> IkoN: it doesn't have admin rights unless you enter a password, just like 'su -' to root.
<IkoN> i understand how it works..
<IkoN> su - account here
<DarthFrog> ChrisC_: Nothing on www.ubuntu.com
<IkoN> account here being root
<IkoN> then a password is needed
<IkoN> but still, i shouldnt have access (as a normal user) to be able to run things such as an update manager
<stuNNed> IkoN: either way you need a password, actually sudo is more secure than su to root
<kain> ChrisC_, just look at the team leader of ubuntu's desktop team: Gill Bates.
<IkoN> and have the time it asks for MY password to run things "as root"
* IkoN cougsh *some security*
<stuNNed> IkoN: you *can't* run it unless you enter the password, if you don't like it, take your name out of the /etc/sudoers file and create a normal root account.
<thoreauputic> IkoN: only the first user has sudo rights by default - others have to be added with visudo
<IkoN> coughs even.
<sic|> problem: Xine disappears when telling it to play a dvd, any suggestions?
<tritium> IkoN, you might benefit from reading: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<IkoN> my name isnt in that file
<IkoN>  User privilege specification
<IkoN> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
<IkoN> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
<IkoN> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
<MoonWitch> issue : USB Wireless network adapter won't work (netgear ma111)
<IkoN> and i removed myself from that group after i made another account.
<Otheos> how does one modify the install to use specific controller drivers?
<sic|> ran it in console and got like 12 crashes
<sic|> libdvdnav errors
<EsK> is it possible to add more reps
<zenrox> sic|,  might help to apt-get install libdvdcss
<sic|> zenrox, thanks...I appreciate the help..will do
<LifeEscalade> hey i have a question
<zenrox> sic|,  also read www.ubuntuguide.org
<LifeEscalade> i downloaded all the files i needed to instal wine, applied it and what do i have to do to get it to work??
<zenrox> LifeEscalade,  wine file.exe
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, well I'm screwed worse than I thought
<Xappe> hmm, drinking beer and doing laundry...this *is* life
<LifeEscalade> where would i find it??
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  reinstall the drivers
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
<d27654> bash: /usr/bin/acroread: Permission denied  ... lame
<calc> use evince
<sic|> zenrox, well doesn't look like libdvdcss is available through apt-get...going to go read the guide..tried searching the wiki to no avail..thanks
<Butters|XGH|Snip> nah I didn't get a splash screen this time but I got an error from X
<DarthFrog> ChrisC_: Did that email come on the Ubuntu Annouce list?
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  ya reinstall the drivers
<Butters|XGH|Snip> something about /etc/X11R6/libfb.a or somethings
<calc> cool another person from houston :)
<ChrisC_> DarthFrog: yup, sent Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:26:10 +1100
<Dromio> Hi
<geneo93> skj you need to add multi universe repository
<Dromio> Yup
<ChrisC_> do the math :)
<zenrox> LifeEscalade,  just like i told you on how to run it
<zenrox> LifeEscalade,  in a terminal
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, aight ... lol can I install the 6629 drivers?? Will it over write the 7167 ones if I do that?
<DarthFrog> KDE 3.4 has been released, officially.
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  use the 7176 binary installer
<ChrisC_> ha!  looking at the email's header's, the announce list is hosted on africaninspace.com
<geneo93> yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<DarthFrog> http://lwn.net/Articles/127921/
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol you can keep kde
<Otheos> could someone help me install ubuntu?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I always had problems with kde
<Dromio> Finally got hoary64 running :)
<Xappe> Otheos, what's the problem?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, so your saying don't patch it?
<IkoN> is kubuntu installable?
<Otheos> I'm trying to install using a raid controller...
<Otheos> I'm clueless as to how to use the drivers.
<Xappe> ok, never used raid
<DarthFrog> IkoN: Yes.  I'm running it.
<Deimos-> if I install ubuntu on a system that has lilo, and keep lilo instead of grub, should that cause Xserv to have problems?
<Dromio> Anyone know of a good desktop calendar program?  My wife loved Rainlender on XP, she needs a suitable replacement.
<geneo93> IkoN:  yes
<thoreauputic> IkoN: kubuntu-desktop IIRC
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  its just every time you update ubuntu you got to reinstall the drivers
<Turbo_> hey folks, does anyone inhere have ubuntu running on an imac G3 ?
<Deimos-> alos, lilo uses framebuffer
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, oh well that sucks
<Otheos> how do I tell the install to load the drivers..
<DarthFrog> IkoN: Or go to the Kubuntu channel and get the URL for the ISO.
<Xappe> Turbo_, no, but ibook g3
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  yep
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, ok so I shouldn't patch the drivers this time?
<Turbo_> Xappe: not good enough ;)
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip, just run the installer
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rgr
* msh_ is away; sleep/school/work
<zenrox> like you did before
<Butters|XGH|Snip> be back in a few
<EsK> its possible to get KDE for ubuntu right
<Turbo_> noone with an imac G3 ?
<zenrox> EsK,  yes
<EsK> alright
<zenrox> its called kubuntu
<EsK> whats kubuntu?
<geneo93> EsK:  if you want kde just do apt-get install kde
<zenrox> kde ubuntu
<EsK> alright
<zenrox> ubuntu with out gnome
<DarthFrog> geneo93: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<zenrox> yep DarthFrog is right
<EsK> i got this message
<EsK> ares@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install kde
<geneo93> my gnome wont work any more so i'm stuck with kde for now
<EsK> Password:
<EsK> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
<zenrox> esk run that
<EsK> when i do that i get logged out
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  that dont remove gnome
<zenrox> esk do it now
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, ok man I got it done again
<DarthFrog> geneo93: Und zo?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I went with the stock nvidia driver...I didn't patch it this time either
<zenrox> esk run it like sudo dpkg --configure -a
<geneo93> and it has oo also with emacs yuk
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  so it works now
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, if I don't add the patches I only get about 12,000fps in glxgears
<DarthFrog> geneo93: Just because someone prefers KDE (yes, please) doesn't mean that Gnome needs to be removed. :-)
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  sound about right
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  i just used kde
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox,  lol if I patch it I get 15,000
<DarthFrog> geneo93: And that removed Gnome?   Boo, hiss!
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  quit patchen it it breaks it
<geneo93> no
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol I noticed
<zenrox> lol
<Butters|XGH|Snip> zenrox, last question...did they fix the max memory amount on the 7167 driver?  The 6629 only used 42megs...I have a 256meg card
<geneo93> i didn't say it did but i dont have use for oo and emacs
<thoreauputic> geneo93: so uninstall them
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  read the changelog on nvidias site
<Butters|XGH|Snip> yeah I did but I didn't see it mentioned ....unless I just overlooked it
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip, i have a fx5200 pci 128mbs and it uses all of it
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i did first thing before updating
<LifeEscalade> hey zenrox i type wine file.exe into the terminal and it comes back wine: cannot find 'file.exe'
<zenrox> Butters|XGH|Snip,  even with the 6629
<Xappe> gnome is a beauty: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot3.png
<geneo93> duh
<zenrox> LifeEscalade,  wine /the/location/of/the/file/you/want/to/run.exe
<geneo93> LifeEscalade:  you need wine(nameof file).exe
<LifeEscalade> ah
<dazed_> does anyone know about using nvclock i need to ask a question or 2?
<geneo93> dazed dont use it unless you know wtf your doing
<DarthFrog> Xappe: Nice desktop!
<dazed_> well i knew what i was doing on windows but i was also walked through with the app
<EsK> alright something is wrong with my repositories
<Xappe> DarthFrog, yes, i'm quite satisfied :)
<danboid> hi!
<danboid> Is KDE 3.4 FINAL in hoary (kubuntu) already?
<DarthFrog> danboid: It's being worked upon.
<Amaranth> danboid: #kubuntu
<geneo93> danboid:  it was just released today
<FR500> hello
<DarthFrog> danboid: It's being Ubuntu-fied. :-)
<danboid> amaranth: just tried that channel, no response
<FR500> what are the settings in grub to enable hibernation?
<EsK> alright i got a message when i ran synaptic package manager, saying "Could not download all repository indexes"
<LifeEscalade> hey zenrox, i tried to get flashfxp to install onto my desktop but i get Access fiolation at address 401bbddb. write of address 0020007e
<LifeEscalade> what can I do to fix that
<FR500> i used grubconf to add a bootsplash image and now hibernation doesn't work
<geneo93> EsK:  keep doing it
<zenrox> LifeEscalade,  some stuff wont install on linux like that
<danboid> Going off what I've been seeing so far, it won't be long then 'til 3.4 final gets approved. Next couple of days you think?
<EsK> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
<LifeEscalade> do you know of any ftp programs that will??
<deville_75> hello
<thoreauputic> danboid: did you happen to read the /topic in #kubuntu ?
<deville_75> i g2g
<zenrox> LifeEscalade,  none
<deville_75> ill come back tommorow
<deville_75> for help
<zenrox> LifeEscalade, use gftp
<FR500> LifeEscalade, what do you need?
<geneo93> EsK:  do it a few times more
<LifeEscalade> i need to get to my xbox to get all of my cs files
<FR500> anyone here haves a laptop and hoary?
<LifeEscalade> and i can only access them with an ftp server
<FR500> need help to reenable hibernation
<zenrox> EsK,  it will eventuly get it
<EsK> okay
<zenrox> LifeEscalade,  just use gftp
<EsK> it also said could not lock file
<LifeEscalade> k
<EsK> or wait
<FR500> LifeEscalade, try ftp in a terminal
<danboid> thoreauputic: they might've meant the rc1, which was still labelled 3.4.0, was in, not final
<EsK> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
<EsK> E: Unable to lock the list directory
<mike_douglas> is there a way to change the background color of TTY?
<mike_douglas> and the font
<zenrox> esk run that command in sudo in the terminal
<EsK> i did
<geneo93> esk reboot or apt-get -f install
<EsK> and it logs me out
<EsK> so i just put in
<EsK> apt-get -f install
<zenrox> esk with a sudo first
<geneo93> sudo
<EsK> yes
<EsK> i kno
<zenrox> yep
<EsK> i still get that same damn message
<EsK> dpkg was interrupted
<geneo93> reboot then
<zenrox> yep
<FR500> hmmmm, i'm being ignored today :(
<elmaya> hello..how can i get wlanctl-ng
<EsK> still, i always reboot and it still says the same exact d*** thing
<LifeEscalade> now that ive downloaded gftp, how do i install and run it??
<FR500> LifeEscalade, do you have synaptic?
<LifeEscalade> yea
<FR500> ok
<IkoN> synaptic = your friend
<FR500> find it there and install it
<thoreauputic> LifeEscalade: have you looked inn your menu?
<elmaya> nevermind
<FR500> LifeEscalade, try sudo apt-get install gftp
<thoreauputic> LifeEscalade: if you installed it with synaptic, it's already installed and probably in the internet menu
<LifeEscalade> thanx for the help, i just got it installed with synaptic
<FR500> thoreauputic, can your computer hibernate succefully?
<stuNNed> mine can hibernate successfully if stop mysql and unload nonfree linuxant driver modules
<FR500> stuNNed, hoary?
<stuNNed> yep
<stuNNed> hoary
<thoreauputic> FR500: I haven't tried it - this one is up 24/7
<FR500> can u send me your menu.lst (grub config file)
<FR500> thoreauputic, thanks anyway
<stuNNed> FR500: and my bios acpi support is worse at best, even not that great in windows
<adamh> Hrm. Should I switch to Ubuntu on my main desktop? It's scary....
<FR500> stuNNed, it worked fine earlier, i messed up with grubconf and now it doesnt work
<thoreauputic> adamh: what's scaring you about ubuntu?
<FR500> stuNNed, so if you send that file for me, i probably can fix it
<FR500> thoreauputic, i'm scared because unbound doesnt work :p
<FR500> *Gunbound
<adamh> thoreauputic: Oh, well, I absolutely adore it... but my desktop machine is my lifeblood. I've got all my data on it and I think I'm going to forget to back some up :)
<thoreauputic> adamh: I see - a big leap of faith :)
<adamh> Does Evolution 2.2 play nice with Courier-IMAP? :)
<FR500> adamh, install in a separate partition and migrate your data prograssively
<adamh> thoreauputic: exactly :)
<EsK> okay this is FUCKING pissing me off, i reboot and i still get message when i apt-get and i cant use synaptic
<stuNNed> FR500: it's well commented actually, set the settings like you want then run update-grub, make sure you don't have anything like acpi=off in your kernel line or any other part of the menu.lst
<madstop> better yet, adamh, add a hard drive and install there
<adamh> FR500: Hrm, maybe, maybe...
<dazed_> rick james in chapelle yes!
<jvaquino> hello
<Fackamato> EsK: ok
<Fackamato> EsK: what message.........
<adamh> Heh. I prefer just the one :)
<FR500> adamh, or make an image with norton ghost, it will only take some dvds i guess
<jvaquino> help with ldap?
<adamh> FR500: lol, 120 gig? Yeah, "some" :P
<FR500> stuNNed, let me see, if i can't fix it ill bother u again
<EsK> Could not download all repository indexes
<EsK> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
<EsK> and this one
<geneo93> iles you needed
<EsK> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
<kaskote> hi, i'm geting some carrier error in a network card... but can't fount wath is that?.. some can help me ?
<jvaquino> anyone install plone with ldap on ubuntu?
<d27654> EsK, dpkg isn't done installing from another time.. run that command and it'll finish
<thoreauputic> EsK: maybe the repo is temporarily down - can you ping  the URL ?
<benkorkor> need some help with OOO, can anyone help?
<adamh> Okay, well. I think I'm fed up of jhbuilding all of GNOME whenever I want to hack at stuff. Are there any other GNOME devs here who've made the switch?
<EsK> i dont know how
<EsK> and when i run that command i get logged out and shyt
<jvaquino> thought i'd give it a try
<jvaquino> anyone?
<thoreauputic> adamh: maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel
<adamh> thoreauputic: Good idea, thanks :)
<FR500> stuNNed, it's supposed to have a line on where to hibernate somewhere
<madstop> *sympathizes with Esk because he's been getting lots of similar messages and has no clue...
<EsK> im a newbie at ubuntu, im used to fedora
<thoreauputic> EsK: look in /etc/apt/sources.list for the URL , then do ` ping <URL here> `
<stuNNed> FR500: grep acpi=off /boot/grub/menu.lst
<geneo93> EsK:  apt-get -f install dont give you any thing
<benkorkor> ooo is withholding a file that i need to access. i don't want to kill the process because i would lose my file since ooo doesn't autosave by default.
<jvaquino> anyone: ever install plone with ldap auth on ubuntu? had it working in other distros, but problems now....guess i should check in plone nodes...
<EsK> nope same message talking about running the command
<FR500> stuNNed, doesnt have the line
<FR500> stuNNed, no output
<geneo93> EsK:  what was the last thing you install
<EsK> i dont know
<EsK> how do i check
<EsK> is it possible
<geneo93> look at apt log
<EsK> ok
<EsK> its in /etc/apt right
<geneo93> no var/log
<EsK> ohh
<geneo93> maybe install log
<iMac> alguien que hable espaol
<iMac> ?
<benkorkor> does open office create a temp file of the file i'm working on?
<FR500> iMac, i do
<iMac> mmmm
<iMac> I
<iMac> FR500, i do
<FR500> iMac, hola
<iMac> do you speak spanish
<FR500> si
<iMac> ok
<iMac> hablemos tonces...
<FR500> iMac, ok
<FR500> iMac, de que?
<iMac> Linux?
<FR500> ok
<iMac> en k plataformas te encuentras
<EsK> okay i dont know, and im looking at the aptitude log, cuz it was the closet to apt log, and i dont know which one was the last
<FR500> x86
<iMac> PPC
<iMac> mmmm ubuntu?
<FR500> cool
<FR500> si
<FR500> hace rato
<iMac> mmmm mi equippo
<iMac> lo hizo revivir
<iMac> tengo iMac G3
<iMac> lo dejo como pentium 4
<FR500> si es super buen os
<geneo93> EsK:  find /*apt*
<iMac> hey de que parte eres
<FR500> Ecuador
<iMac> chile
<FR500> ahh
<iMac> hey sabes algo de c
<Yomic> Is python already installed in WW-Ubuntu? If not can somebody help me get started?
<FR500> iMac, hace rato que no he programado
<thoreauputic> Yomic: /usr/bin/python
<iMac> mmm  te acuerdas sobre las librerias de color
<Yomic> :))
<Yomic> Thanks
<FR500> iMac, nop
<iMac> aparte de la conio.h
<iMac> mmmm
<iMac> ok
<FR500> ah eso
<FR500> algo
<EsK> i quit for the night, im gonna go lay down
<Yomic> Is it the latest version (2.4?)
<iMac> PPC
<iMac> ?
<Yomic> Dang, it
<Yomic> it's 2.3 :/
<iMac> what use PPC
<thoreauputic> Yomic: ask in #ubuntu-devel what the version is in Hoary
<sic|> could I please speak with someone who has successfully installed a dvd burner and can also watch dvds on it...someone with a little time to help...I am not sure but I think my fstab is wrong amongst other things...doing this in pm would be nice
<Yomic> I'm on Warty.
<sabmoc> greetings all
<geneo93> Yomic:  hoary has 2.4
<adamh> sic|: I've got a DVD burner. I can watch DVDs (just "apt-get install totem-xine") and burn CDs, but I've never tried burning DVDs.
<adamh> I imagine it would Just Work...
<sabmoc> just installed ubuntu, and I didnt get asked for a root password during the install. what is the default, or how do I set that up
<Yomic> sudo passwd
<kain> sabmoc, this is the default
<freex> sabmoc: type. sudo passwd root
<sabmoc> thanks x3
<icebalm> odd default
<freex> sabmoc: can i ask u question?
<kain> sabmoc, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=root
<sabmoc> hmm, that worked not well at all
<iMac> what program use burn CD Linux Ubuntu?
<sabmoc> kain, thanks, thats the stuff!
<kain> sabmoc, np
<sabmoc> great default
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<sabmoc> thoreauputic: :)
<JDahl> iMac, program many burn CD linux exists... maybe k3b or gnome-baker?
<kain> iMac, if you are in gnome put a blank cd and nautilus should appear to burn a cd, otherwise use something like k3b
<kain> btw I still can't find gnome-baker in ubuntu repos
<iMac> kain, ... i ma use PPC
<thoreauputic> kain: because they aren't there :)
<kain> thoreauputic, I see :)
<sabmoc> what about neroLinux
<geneo93> gcombust is my fav
<kain> sabmoc, haven't tried it yet, there's a review k3b vs nerolinux somewhere
<sabmoc> NeroLinux, brought to you by the Nero burning Rom company
<thoreauputic> kain: gnomebaker >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
<kain> http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=86
<kain> here we go
<Kirsch> hey guys, got a really good stumper for ya, i have a Dell Inspiron 6000 on my desk, we're trying to install Ubuntu, now the CD-Rom gets detected in warty (4.1) but not the HD (the HD is SATA, haven't looked up the specifics yet) but Hoary doesn't (the Preview Release out now) but Array 6 has problems booting up (detected both), any ideas?
<kain> thanks thoreauputic
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: why bother with nero when linux has good, free-as-in-freedom CD burning apps?
<sabmoc> kain: yes, it wasnt too fair to nero i think, this is like version 0.01 of nero linux, and they were expecting a HIG, GTK2 app, which it wanst. meh, I have no doubt its a decent app.
<kain> I agree, still wonder why it's still gtk1
<adamh> sabmoc: Well, there already *are* HIG, GTK2 burning apps out there.
<thoreauputic> graveman, gnomebaker
<adamh> Why pay money for something when you can get better for free?
<adamh> (REAL freedom)
<kain> and that's right adamh
<zenrox> adamh, its just good to see companies start maken programs of linux
<sabmoc> thoreauputic: because competition is good, because I like it when non-free companys recognize linux as a real platform worth supporting.
<adamh> But I bet it'll still be profitable to Ahead Software. They know all the stuff we know, they know what's wrong with their software, but they've analyzed and decided it'll make money
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: I agree it's good to see the wind changing: but I doubt that the nerolinux app is any better
<kain> this is good for average user that thinks "I have nero on windows, linux does have it blablabla stuff"
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: I'm not opposed to commercial linux apps
<Yomic> How do I update python to version 2.4?
<sabmoc> Gnome would not be as good if kde never existed to compete with (imho) competition is good. Recognition is also good.
<icebalm> commercial linux apps are ok, as long as I have a free alternative
<geneo93> Yomic:  update to hoary
<icebalm> and by free I mean Free
<sabmoc> icebalm: well said
<Yomic> geneo93: When are they distributing the CDs?
<benkorkor> what's the default install path for openoffice in hoary preview?
<thoreauputic> It *is* good in that windows users are familiar with the brand
<geneo93> Yomic:  dunno april or may
<Yomic> Why the delay? Bug testing?
<kain> if I'm not wrong they have a schedule: a release every 6 months or so
<geneo93> well yeah its just beta now but really stable
<thoreauputic> Yomic: it's a pretty big operation distributing the CDs
<Yomic> Eh, I guess I'll wait; just in case.
<geneo93> i case of what you die
<thoreauputic> Yomic: if they ship CDs in April, i guess we'd get them by June :)
<geneo93> hehe
<Yomic> In case of last minute patches.
<Yomic> They can be a hassel
<geneo93> took 3 weeks for mine
<Yomic> Same here.
<benkorkor> what's the default install path for openoffice in hoary preview? anyone?
<thoreauputic> Yomic: if you visit #ubuntu-devel, you'll see they are flat out getting hoary ready
<geneo93> Yomic:  your connected to the internet all new stuff needs patches and so on
<Yomic> True.
<geneo93> geez just update now and you'll have lees later
<thoreauputic> benkorkor: I'd expect the executable to be in /usr/bin
<Yomic> I just don't want to be bothered to download another OS and burn it; unless they have an update function or something :P
<thoreauputic> benkorkor: type `which openoffice` to check
<icebalm> Yomic: apt-get dist-upgrade
<Yomic> :D
<kain> benkorkor, are u trying to install oo from repos or by hand?
<Yomic> Woot.
<thoreauputic> Yomic: updting in debian style distros is trivial
<geneo93> Yomic:  just change to repositories in synaptic to hoary
<Quinn_Storm> is there any repository I could use (like sid in real debian) to stay on the devel release?
<Quarupt> if the Acrhive Manger wont open a rar, and either will ark, Ark says unrar isnt in my PATH?
<Fackamato> Quarupt: apt-get install unrar
<Quinn_Storm> Quarupt: apt-get install unrar
<Fackamato> smurf
<kain> mm
<kain> I installed unrar, but Archive Manager still can't open .rar files
<geneo93> Quinn_Storm:  its not stable
<sabmoc> wow, keyboard layout in gnome 2.10 is sweeeet...
<madstop> I hope someone can help. No matter what I do, I can't get Realplayer installed in hoary, amd64
<thoreauputic> Quarupt: enable multiverse and install unrar-nonfree
<Yomic> Realplayer < *
<madstop> I followed instructions on ubuntuguide.org to no avail
<geneo93> kain:  unrar (file)
<thoreauputic> Quarupt: known issue
<kain> geneo93, thanks for pointing me out this :P
<Quinn_Storm> actually isn't unrar free? I thought rar was the non-free one
<madstop> Realplayer seemed to install correctly, I logged out and in , it appears in menus, won't open, won't work in firefox
<thoreauputic> apt-cache search says unrar-nonfree
<madstop> rebooting won't help (tried this before)
<Quarupt> thoreauputic, could only find package unrar not unrar-free
<kain> ii  unrar          0.0.1-1        Unarchiver for .rar files
<kain> I have this
<speel> ahh gnome just crashed ;(
<Yomic> :o
<thoreauputic> Quarupt: it's in multiverse
<benkorkor> kain: that's the path to the executable
<Fackamato> I have unrar, and in a terminal unrar works (I can unpack archives), but the "archiver" doesn't recognize .rar-files, what to do?
<madstop> Yomic, I don't know what that means
<kain> Fackamato, same issue
<thoreauputic> <thoreauputic> Quarupt: enable multiverse and install unrar-nonfree
<benkorkor> kain: am specifically looking for the foler where it autosaves files
<Quarupt> i just told you there is no package by that name
<benkorkor> kain: *folder
<Quarupt> I have universe and Multiverse
<Quarupt> I allways have had them
<kain> benkorkor, as far I know it autosaves files in the same dir where they are.. I can be wrong
<thoreauputic> Quarupt: yes there is - i just found it
<Quarupt> i installed unrar but it doesnt work
<Yomic> :o <--- emoticon of suprise (that GNOME crashed)
<BiteMeBill> Quarupt: It's in the multiverse.  I just looked.  Version 3.4.3-1
<thoreauputic> unless hoary has removed it
<BiteMeBill> thoreauputic: it's still there.
<kain> multiverse.. dunno about this before
<Yomic> So in the reposetories, I just change all the wartys to hoarys, right?
<thoreauputic> kain: non-free packages
<kain> ok, will look into it, thanks
<Quarupt> does unrar-nonfree replace unrar if i allready had it installed?
<Fackamato> thoreauputic: i'm using unrar non-free :/
<BiteMeBill> Quarupt: It looks like you need to uninstall unrar Dependencies shows a conflict with unrar..  But also says that it replaces it.
<geneo93> i have two versions of unrar
<thoreauputic> some people on the mailing list found the "non-free" worked for them - I don't know more than that
<thoreauputic> I never need it, so....
<kain> well, let's find this out
<geneo93> ok the little cant do rar3.0 format
<geneo93> thats the 1.0xxxxx version
<kain> unrar-nonfree just installed and it still not works with archive manager
<kain> can't open archive
<kain> ii  unrar-nonfree  3.4.3-1        Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
<geneo93> i think you need to do it in terminal
<kain> that's not a problem
<geneo93> works for me
<kain> just wondering how to integrate it with archive manager
<kain> not a real issue for myself
<geneo93> i dont think you can
<benkorkor> kain: the autosave/backup folder is hidden in "home." thx.
<madstop> Does anyone have Realplayer working in hoary?
<kain> benkorkor, np
<kain> madstop, personally I don't use it, but there is some instructions on the wiki
<kain> have you alredy checked?
<stuNNed> what's better spdif out or optical out?
<zerovertex> what do i need to get xmms to play mp3 streams????
<zerovertex> in hoary
<madstop> I've googled, and I've only seen complaints about the problem, but no answers yet, just conflicting advice
<kain> madstop, let me see
<thoreauputic> zerovertex: gstreamer0.8-mad , probably
<madstop> I'll keep looking, and experiment. Thanks.
<kain> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<moominski> hey im new can any1 help me out
<kain> madstop and zerovertex, both for mp3 and realplayer
<thoreauputic> moominski: not unless you ask a question :)
<moominski> just installed ubuntu and need a little help if ya can plz
<madstop> thank you kain.  That's the page whose instructions I followed, to no avail
<thoreauputic> moominski: be specific
<kain> madstop, try installing xmms-mad or consider using rhythmbox
<madstop> from researching wikis, it appears there may be a conflict that prevents Realplayer from showing, even if it's running.  A hoary issue only I think.  I'll check my settings and report back
<boomstickz> hey does anyone know how to get windows media player movies to play in something like mplayer, xine or totem?
<moominski> well i aint got a clue hw to install my nvidia drivers or anything for that matter sorry but in new to this and i really wanna learn it
<madstop> kain, I'm talking about internet radio here, requiring realplayer.  But thanks
<kain> sorry madstop, I meant zerovertex
<kain> sorry
<madstop> I'm not mad, don't stop, it's all good, kain!
<kain> ehe
<thoreauputic> moominski:   www.ubuntuguide.org
<madstop> let me check my system monitor...
<Fackamato> moominski: get the kernel headers for your kernel version, then download the nvidia drivers off the nvidia site and install them
<kain> boomstickz, get totem based on xine-libs and install w32codecs adding the marillat repos in ubuntu
<moominski> dude im such a noob i need some1 to hold my hand sry for brin a pain
<kain> boomstickz, there's a good walthrough in documentation
<jack|h> is there a way i can make ubuntu use hardware mixing instead of esd?
<boomstickz> alright thanks
<thoreauputic> moominski: no you don't - read the excellent guide I gave you a link to
<thoreauputic> moominski: it will walk you through everything you need to know
<moominski> ahhh sweet as dude thanks a million
<dazed_> moominski: just start at the top and work your way down to what you need to know its a very helpful guide it almost hold your hand for you :)
<madstop> all right, tried opening realplay in terminal
<madstop> got this :
<madstop> (realplay.bin:2360): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
<madstop> and
<sic|> anyone know how to install libdvdcss2 apt-get didn't find it and its not in synaptic
<madstop> (realplay.bin:2360): Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers
<kain> sic|, probably you must add universe repository
<qnr> Hi, bye - just wondering if someone was here :)
<madstop> and a helluva lot more stuff like that
<moominski> nice 1 seems to be very confusing at the moment but im gonna stick with it
<thoreauputic> sic|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<kain> madstop, I find a thread on ubuntuforums, but there ain't a solution
<kain> "I have recently installed Ubuntu Hoary on an AMD x86_64 machine and am having exactly the same problem as gratefulfrog, with the same error message."
<BiteMeBill> Who was trying to use unrar-nonfree and couldn't?
<madstop> exactly, kain.  I can't believe it.  I'm lost without bbc radio 4, dammit.  Back to windows till I can resolve this.  Or back to warty.
<kain> BiteMeBill, the problem was that it doesn't integrate with archive manager
<kain> unrar or unrar-nonfree
<kain> madstop, this is sad
<BiteMeBill> kain: just used it on a rar and it worked fine.
<kain> BiteMeBill, maybe I will try some other archive
<madstop> I'm amazed I haven't seen this issue raised on this channel before, I've been reading everything here about hoary
<kain> madstop, are you sure that you can't listen bbc with rhythmbox?
<BiteMeBill> kain; $ unrar e <filename>
<kain> BiteMeBill, yes, the 'issue' is that archive manager when opening .rar files says that he cannot handle the format
<thoreauputic> madstop: a while ago, the Beeb were running trials on ogg streaming, but they stopped :/ Crazy people...
<madstop> I don't know kain, I can try opening the url in there, but I think I need the firefox realplay plugin... hmmm
<BiteMeBill> kain: has he tried to run it in terminal or is he trying to run it in a gui?
<madstop> just thought of something-- maybe I can try copying the realplayer folders from warty on my other computer to this one...
<kain> BiteMeBill, for me that's not a problem unrar a file in a terminal, I don't need to, just wondering why archive manager doesn't handle rar files properly even if unrar or unrar-nonfree is installed
<kain> ark do it
<bl4cks4ils> hey, how can i get my external monitor working on my pwoerbook? i've heard some talk about m3mirror.
<BiteMeBill> kain: Oh ok.
<madstop> think that might work...?
<thoreauputic> madstop: the only other possibility is trying helix player
<thoreauputic> that's what the realplay app is based on
<zenrox> kain,  some of the rars out thare are compressed with a newer ver of it and arnt backward compitable
<moominski> where do i actually type commands??
<BiteMeBill> Thought the person having questions about it screen name started with a q or something like that.
<kain> zenrox, yes, I figured it out
<zenrox> lol
<madstop> thanks thoreauputic , kain.  I will, but this strikes me as impracticable, since, unfortunately many radio sites force realplay based applets on us
<thoreauputic> moominski: in the terminal - right click the desktop and choose it, or look in the menu under system tools
<geneo93> madstop:  boycot them then
<tyler> Anyone know why I cant see items i've downloaded o my desktop?
<WebMaven_> Does anyone here know how to add fonts to Hoary?
<kain> tyler, if you use firefox 1.0.1 on hoary, this is a know issue
<madstop> I'm gonna look for the bug reports on this.  hey, monopolies suck, but realplay compatibility should be a done deal with any distro.  Ubuntu has to fix this.
<WebMaven_> The help docs are wrong, or at least, don't work.
<madstop> Tyler -- I have the same problem!  been driving me nuts
<madstop> you can only find those items with file search
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: in gnome, you can just dump ttf fonts in ~/.fonts
<tyler> Damn, they had it licked in warthog
<thoreauputic> as far as I know
<tyler> I downloaded a cool prog to solve the menu editing problem
<tyler> Someone on here gave it to me atually
<Yomic> In updating to hoary I encountered two 404 errors:
<Yomic> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
<Yomic> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, the docs say to use Nautilus to go to fonts:///
<Fackamato> http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload7/_busting2.gif
<zenrox> Yomic, you dont need thoes any more
<Yomic> Okay :)
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: well, i'm just telling you what worked for me on warty
<kain> Fackamato, lol
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, but when I do, I can't paste the new fonts I copied from a CD.
<WebMaven_> Hmm.
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: your mileage may vary, but it's worth a try
<madstop> Are they really going to be ready with a stable release by April?
<WebMaven_> so ./fonts in my home folder?
<zenrox> madstop,  yep
<zenrox> WebMaven_,  yep
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: you should be able to write to .fonts in your home directory
<zenrox> actualy ~/.fonts
<thoreauputic> zenrox:  correct
<Quarupt> Is cable enough bandwidth to run a like 30 user ircd?
<zenrox> Quarupt,  dont know
<Quarupt> or maybe my ISP would get pissed
<zenrox> Quarupt,  isp will kill you
<Hayden> how can i check what version of linux i have, the kernel etc from command line?
<jack|h> Hayden: uname -a
<zenrox> Hayden,  uname -r
<thoreauputic> Hayden: kernel:   uname -r
<thoreauputic> or auname -a
<thoreauputic> bah uname -a
<zenrox> bolth work the same
<Hayden> ok thanks
<thoreauputic> -a gives other information as well
<thoreauputic> Hayden: for release version,  cat /etc/issue
<Hayden> ok thanks
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, apparently, the attempts I made to paste into fonts:/// actually worked, but they went into ~./fonts. Wierd behaviour.
<geneo93> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, thanks.
<Yomic> Where should I to find information on upgrading my Linux partition without deleting my current one?
<geneo93> Yomic:  you have to fix broken first
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: it's just a GUI way of doing the same thing
<kain> x.org 6.8.2-5 in repos
<Quinn_Storm> kain: -5? odd, I just upgraded to -4 from repos like two hours ago
<kain> me too
<kain> :D
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: BTW, if you put your dots and slashes in the wrong order as above, things will get confusing very fast *grin*
<Quinn_Storm> wow, enormous upgrade just hit repos
<kain> about 46 megs
<kain> for me
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: they just finished syncing
<Quinn_Storm> hope they get the rest of kde fixed so I can install the kde package without the kde-addons glitch
<DarthFrog> Yomic: Well, you could make a copy of your Ubuntu partition and then upgrade the copy.
<thebluecow> Does anyone happen to know why my login screen is displayed in with a virtual resolution, where it uses a bigger res than the actual screen size?
<johann> Im trying to add an applet and I have to according to the docs right-click and select add applet but the only thing I can see is add to panel?
<Yomic> Make a copy where? To a CD?
<WW> Hello, world.
<kain> johann, add to panel -> select applet
<thebluecow> Hola.
<DarthFrog> Yomic: No, to a new partition.
<WW> Does anyone know if there are plans to fix menu editing in hoary before the final release?
<johann> kain, I figured that I should find it there...but its not in the list...Im trying to install the gtkwifi
<thoreauputic> johann: click add to panel >> choose from the dialogue
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  he has a hung package and cabt do anything
<kain> johann, I don't have it either
<thoreauputic> johann: you click on the +
<DarthFrog> Yomic: Ah, you have to fix  the hung package first.  Making a copy won't help you.
<johann> thoreauputic, what do you mean by +, where?
<thoreauputic> johann: are you using hoary?
<moominski> how do i creat a launcher
<johann> thoreauputic, no..warty
<kain> well, time to restart X
<madstop> ok, update regarding Realplayer situation:  the problem may only affect hoary amd64.  Hoary on i386, no problem
<thoreauputic> moominski: right click the desktop, choose create launcher
<madstop> Good thing I have an extra computer
<thoreauputic> johann: I'm using warty, and clicking on "add to panel" brings up a list of applets
<LeeColleton> I have a support question regarding the Gimp and printing.  I can print to file and then print with the lp command, but when I try to print directly to the printer in Gimp, I get no output.
<madstop> I can run the 32 bit version of hoary without a problem on amd64, right?
<LeeColleton> the Gimp appears to run this command: lp -s -dPSC-1210 -oraw
<johann> thoreauputic, yes :) that I agree on, mine does that also...the applet that I want to display just isint there...altough I installed it
<thoreauputic> johann: the "add to panel" icon is a + on mine
<DarthFrog> madstop: Yes, you should be able to.
<thoreauputic> johann: ah, I see :)
<kain> xorg 6.8.2-5 updates nv driver
<thoreauputic> johann: which applet?
<kain> too bad I have i915 :(
<Quinn_Storm> I've got an old matrox...I hope they come out with acceleration for the translucency stuff in the mga driver someday
<madstop> I made downgrade this thing, just for the freakin' realplayer.  Maybe the helix player nightly builds will work some magic...
<johann> thoreauputic, gtkwifi.....and I can run it gtk run-in-window...and it works fine...I just want the applet to work as well :)
<geneo93> Quinn_Storm:  dont hold your breath
<kain> as johann request, there is a gnome applet to monitor wifi status?
<madstop> "I may" I meant
<ian__> anyone have a thinkpad t23?
<Elsidox> Anyone here use cedega? Im having audio issues. The onlyw ay i can get sound to work is if I disable it in gnome first.
<WebMaven_> Next problem: I can't get an external screen to work on this laptop.
<LeeColleton> nevermind.  if I just change the printer command to "lp" it works
<WebMaven_> When I push the dual screen button, all I get is garbage on one or more of the screens.
<thoreauputic> johann: I would add a custom launcher with the command in it, I guess ( "custom application launcher")
<johann> thoreauputic, ok..I'll try that
<WebMaven_> to set it right, I need to do ctrl-alt-F1 (which gets me a terminal on both)  and then ctrl-alt-f7 (which then gives me a GUI back on the laptop).
<WebMaven_> in case it matters, the external monitor is an LCD.
<DakPowers> I just installed Ubuntu... And I love it.
<dazed_> how can install a plugin for firefox to play video files INSIDE the page instead of opening a player???
<geneo93> WebMaven_: hoary or warty
<WebMaven_> So, does anyone have any idea how I can get an external monitor to work?
<WebMaven_> Hoary.
<geneo93> xorgconfig
<ian__> DakPowers: right on!
<geneo93> i terminal on lcd
<WebMaven_> does that need to be sudo'd?
<geneo93> no
<DakPowers> Now to get ndiswrapper working...
<WebMaven_> DakPowers, I got that working yesterday.
<WebMaven_> geneo93, OK, I guess I'll have to make note of all my hardware.
<ian__> is ACPI compiled into the default kernel?
<geneo93> WebMaven_:  just look at the xorgconfig file in ect
<Elsidox> is there an ifolder deb?
<WebMaven_> OK, thanks.
<DakPowers> Did you?
<DakPowers> On Warty, WebMaven_?
<DakPowers> Or Hoary?
* DakPowers is a Linux newbie
<DakPowers> This is my second distro and I'm liking it a lot better
<ian__> DakPowers: what was your first?
<DakPowers> Mandrake 10
<DakPowers> I just like this because it gives me a challenge
<WebMaven_> next problem: I added two extra launchers to the top panel, (one for 'Internet' and one for 'System Tools'), but the appropriate icons don't show up, just the Gnome foot icon.
<ian__> DakPowers: a challenge?
<WebMaven_> DakPowers, on Hoary.
<DakPowers> Well, not a challenge... But I work as a PC tech and I know as much about Windows as I'll ever need to... This is something different to learn
* madstop places 32bit hoary laptop directly behind gorgeous 64bit widescreen hoary laptop to pretend that realplayer audio is coming from new machine...
<DakPowers> lol
<f00f> lol
<WebMaven_> DakPowers, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
<geneo93> DakPowers:  not hard to learn how crappy windows is
<dazed_> how come when i try to view a media file in firefox it opens it up in an external player...???
<moominski> wots the difference betweenwarty warthog and Hoary Hedgehog??
<DakPowers> Funny names
<geneo93> hoary is lots better
<moominski> lol
<Hayden> moominski, they are different versions of Ubuntu, Hoary is the latest version in preview release (beta)
<DakPowers> Is it? What's different? I just installed Warty
<dazed_> moominski: hoary is the newest version of ubuntu...its only a preview
<moominski> so i shud switch
<moominski> ??
<dazed_> moominski: get a feel for ubuntu first before u switch to a beta version
<DakPowers> Good advice.
<WebMaven_> DakPowers, the one thing that page doesn't say, is that you need to point ndiswrapper at a *.inf file, but the other files still need to be in the same directory as the *.inf file.
<moominski> ok np dude
<geneo93> DakPowers:  open synaptic and update your repositories to hoary
<Hayden> dazed_: i found hoary was easier to use than warty
<dizzie> Morning all :)
<WebMaven_> No one has any advice for the launcher icons, huh?
<DakPowers> Synaptic... Synaptic... Synaptic...
<geneo93> WebMaven_:  check the properties and make sure there not hidden
<dazed_> Hayden: i find it no different it matters of ease...but this is moominski's first hours of ubuntu (even linux i believe) so i think he should stick with warty before he runs into problems on hoary
<madstop> gnome in hoary seems a lot more stable; the menus make more sense, better all around.  32 bits  version anyway.  Amd64 hoary has me teed off, though it's fast!
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: jsut click the empty icon box on the launcher dialog, and choose one you like...
<Hayden> dazed_: yep
<WebMaven_> geneo93, there is no access to properties for these launchers.
<dazed_> so who wants to help me now!!! lol...
<geneo93> WebMaven_:  or right click next to where you put thenm on another icon and move ot
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: you choose icons from the "creation" dialogue
<dazed_> i installed the multimedia plugin for firefox..and it still opens external media players when a web page has media to display how can i get to open inpage ???
<DakPowers> This may be the dumbest question ever, but is there a console or command line to type in?
<WebMaven_> right clicking on them only give the following: Help, Remove from Panel, Move, Lock to Panel
<geneo93> mine were stuck behind the gnome foot
<thoreauputic> DakPowers: right click the desktop, choose terminal
<madstop> thoreauputic, WebMaven_ , the fact is, gnome's icon handling is not the most convenient.  Often icons chosen in dialogs turn out to be different, older and ugly
<geneo93> WebMaven_:  move it then
<thoreauputic> DakPowers: gnome termianl is in the menu as well
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, it does not work for creating launchers from Application groups.
<thoreauputic> application groups??
<WebMaven_> geneo93, I'm unsure what you're suggesting.
<DakPowers> What? It won't accept my root password... Did I ever set one in installation?
<dazed_> so anyone know about opening multimedia inpage?
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, here is what I did:
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: OK I get it
<Hayden> DakPowers: you don't set a root password when installing Ubuntu
<WebMaven_> right click on panel, select 'Add to Panel'
<geneo93> WebMaven_:  move a few other icons and see if your apear
<WebMaven_> click on 'Application Launcher'
<Hayden> DakPowers: you use the 'sudo' command e.g. sudo apt-get update
<WebMaven_> click on 'Forward' button
<Hayden> then it will ask your your user password
<WebMaven_> click on the 'Internet' app group icon.
<WebMaven_> click on 'Add'
<Quinn_Storm> I set a root password when I installed my system...su works but gksu / kdesu don't work (I always laugh at kdesu btw, "k that is", I think (japanese-ish))
<dazed_> how come whenever i try to goto a site with media to be displayed it opens an external player someone please help me fix!?
<WebMaven_> This creates a launcher that is a dropdown of all 'Internet' apps.
<DakPowers> I must have updated already.
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: yep i follow
<WebMaven_> But, it does not use the 'Internet' icon, just a 'foot' icn.
<madstop> I don't suppose there's any chance in hell the developers would add realplayer to the distro, at least to universe, configured already for use with firefox?
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: hmm... annoying
<madstop> I know it's proprietary, but it requires no license fees, should be standard equipment
<dazed_> anyone!?? please!?
<WebMaven_> In Warty this did have the extra step for specifying the icon etc. but not in Hoary.
<WebMaven_> madstop, no, only free software in the base distribution.
<DakPowers> Ok, I'm gonna start trying this :-/
<geneo93> maybe properties can change it
<Fitzz> I am trying to use hoary preview live cd to run on a laptop with an integrated intel graphics card, but it boots up to a blank screen, is this a known bug?
<madstop> "as in free speech" I assume, WebMaven?
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: I get the impression the Gnome developers really don't want us to change their stuff ( maybe a bit paranoid, but... hey)
<WebMaven_> Madkiss, yep.
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, what do you mean?
<sabmoc> this is going to sound weird..
<kain> Fitzz, I have i915 graphic card based on intel 855GM, no problem here
<kain> I'm using hoary btw, not live cds
<Fitzz> I am using the live cd
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: gnome has become less and less configurable with each new release
<Fitzz> everything goes fine
<madstop> heh, hitting the tabkey, right WebMaven_ ... Madkiss?  I like it
<kain> did you have same hardware?
<Fitzz> then it tries going into gdm and goes blank
<Fitzz> I am not sure what intel chip it is
<Fitzz> its not my laptop
<sabmoc> The resolution of my screen goes back to a really bad default every time I login to GNOME. Do I need to set it globaly as root or ...something?
<DakPowers> Downloading ndiswrapper packages now...
<geneo93> Fitzz:  maybe you can change some things when it starts booting
<Fitzz> I cant get to a console
<Fitzz> the screen just goes blank
<WebMaven_> madstop, yeah. Hmm, older versions of XChat whould ask which you meant.
<Fitzz> and I cant do anything
<kain> boot params
<geneo93> hit f1 at boot
<Fitzz> yea
<Fitzz> I did that
<Fackamato> o;
<Fitzz> what should I set the parms to?
<Fitzz> I turned off acpi
<Fitzz> and did the vga=771 thing
<madstop> gnome, kde, Republicans, Democrats... what a world, what choices
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, are you an Ubuntu developer?
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: no
<geneo93> vesa try that
<jason> anyone else notice broken xorg
<Fitzz> how can I set taht?
<Fackamato> jason: how do you mean broken?
<Fackamato> mine works :)
<geneo93> just type it in
<madstop> If I had the brains and patience, I'd use black/flux/widowmaker/unlightenment whatever
<jason> I just updated and it crashes
<geneo93> linux vesa
<WebMaven_> thoreauputic, OK. Have you confirmed the bug on your machine?
<Fitzz> just type "live vesa
<Fitzz> ?
<Hayden> can't you install ubuntu without Xserver installed?
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: on warty? I haven't tried it yet - hang on
<kain> Hayden, yes, pass 'server' param at install time
<Hayden> ok
<Fitzz> thats all I need to do to set it to default to vesa driver?
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: I'm not on hoary
<Fitzz> is there a way I can set the res at boot?
<Hayden> kain: and from there you can install fluxbox or anything else
<WebMaven_> Can someone on Hoary verify a Gnome bug for me?
<geneo93> can you scan
<kain> Hayden, sure, with apt you can do whatever you want
<madstop> thoreauputic, is that by choice, or just so you can help the new warty users more easily?
<kain> WebMaven_, tell me
<thoreauputic> WebMaven_: on warty, as you say, the icon is the correct one
<WebMaven_> kain these are the steps:
<geneo93> Fitzz:  do a scan
<WebMaven_> right click on panel, select 'Add to Panel'
<madstop> (btw, thoreauputic , we've talked before, with me as error_29)
<Fitzz> how do I scan?
<WebMaven_> click on 'Application Launcher'
<Fackamato> hm, how can I turn off the auto updatedb
<Fackamato> it runs updatedb sometimes
<Fackamato> I don't want it to do that :P
<WebMaven_> click on 'Forward' button
<DakPowers> Is there no way to access Windows files?
<geneo93> just type it in
<WebMaven_> click on the 'Internet' app group icon.
<Fitzz> ohh
<Fitzz> haha
<Fitzz> alright
<WebMaven_> click on 'Add'
<Fitzz> sorry, I dont know boot parms
<zenrox> DakPowers, read www.ubuntuguide.org
<thoreauputic> madstop: I run warty because I'm on dialup, basically -also it's working well for me, so why change :)
<Fackamato> and my crontabs are empty
<WebMaven_> This creates a launcher that is a dropdown of all 'Internet' apps.
<kain> WebMaven_, yes
<WebMaven_> But, it does not use the 'Internet' icon, just a 'foot' icon.
<Fitzz> thanks for the help
<kain> yes, you're right
<Fitzz> I will go play with the laptop now
<madstop> dialup!
<DakPowers> Thanks
<WebMaven_> kain, thank you for verifying the bug.
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: it normaly runs updatedb in the middle of the night...
<madstop> we should pass a hat and get you cable
<geneo93> f1 f2 f3 Fitzz give you parms
<kain> WebMaven_, np.
<thoreauputic> madstop: dsl soon, I hope :)
<madstop> man, some of these screensavers are cpu intensive! overkill.
<zenrox> i am upgrading my dsl to 1.5/386k
<infidel> i just installed ubuntu onto an older laptop and i have distortion at the bottom of my screen, anyone know what could cause this?
<thoreauputic> madstop: why the nick change? Hiding ? *grin*
<kain> WebMaven_, please confirm a bug for me
<madstop> nope, thoreauputic, but I had, or tried to have, xchat running on two laptops at once, and my router or something wouldn't let me log in,
<zenrox> infidel,  wate for the updates and that will be fixed
<madstop> so I was trying everything...
<madstop> server errors, thought maybe the name error29 was a jinx
<kain> Gnome: right click on the panel -> add -> hardware monitor... crash
<Fackamato> thoreauputic: perhaps, it just ran now (06:30), I'd like to disable that :>
<Borg^Queen> Hello people
<geneo91> damn dun
<infidel> zenrox, how do i update anyway?
<moominski> any1 no how i boot into windows
<zenrox> infidel,  sudo apt-get update
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: it runs as a daily cron job, as root I guess
<zenrox> infidel, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<Borg^Queen> moominski:  Do you have grub or another boot loader installed?
<infidel> zenrox, thanks
<moominski> grub
<Borg^Queen> Is windows listed as a boot option?
<moominski> no it just boots into ubuntu
<dazed_> moominski: did you say yes when installing ubu to adding grub to ur master boot record...
<Borg^Queen> You need to add it to the list.
<geneo91> hehe
<moominski> im not sure
<thoreauputic> madstop: do you have secondary nicks in your xchat servers dialogue? like madstop_ or error_29_ with an underscore or similar?
<geneo91> good by windows
<moominski> i dont no im a noob at this
<dazed_> moominski: you did partition out a portion for windows and a portion for ubuntu before you installed correct?
<Borg^Queen> uh oh
<moominski> i let it partition itself
<thoreauputic> oops
<dazed_> well...then i think you erased your windows drive
<geneo91> oh boy
<moominski> lol omg
<thoreauputic> bye bye windows...
<Borg^Queen> Chow windows,
<jari> is it possible unmount media in Hoary/GNOME 2.10? There is only eject ..
<Borg^Queen> Adios,
<geneo91> i love it
<moominski> is there no way to get back
<dazed_> moominski: i did the same thing aswell but worst thing about it ...i did partition out my windows
<thoreauputic> jari: should unmount automatically I think, when you eject
<zenrox> moominski,  nope
<Borg^Queen> moominski: you need to reinstall windows and then ubu, making sure you don't erase windows
<dazed_> moominski: it completely formatted your hard drive and erased everythign and fresh installed ubuntu
<thoreauputic> moominski: you just took the big leap into linux
<dazed_> is there anyway to install windows after linux?
<moominski> omg i had so much
<dazed_> or does it have to be before?
<zenrox> dazed_,  before
<jari> thoreauputic: yes it does, but I want to leave media inside but unmount it.
<dazed_> so theres NO WAY whatsover? lol
<Borg^Queen> You have to install  windows BEFORE you install lunix
<zenrox> nope
<Agrajag> zenrox: please don't give people wrong advice
<Administrator> for the love of god someone explain to me how /etc/X11/X works... i'm trying to get the tvout on a dell inspiron 8000 to work, a feat that few are having success with and those that do seem to be documenting it poorly.  Apparently having a modified xorg.conf that replaces all DRIVER "ati" to "vesa" allows you to use the atitvout program to switch between screens, but the only way i've found to get this to work is to run X -xf86config -
<Administrator> depth 24 -auth /var/gdm/:1.Xauth vt8 &, which gives me what a grey screen with a window in the middle and a cursor in the shape of an X in tvout, which is better than nothing... can anyone tell me if there are options i can tweak to get this to work?
<moominski> tell me im not the only 1 that has did thi
<Borg^Queen> whoa
<Administrator> oops, sorry about the nick
<dazed_> damn thats a downer...im too wrapped up in my ubu to customized to start over...so new hd specifically windows here i come
<Agrajag> dazed_: Do you have a free partition to install windows?
<thoreauputic> Administrator: for the love of God don't flood the channel !
<britt_radiofree> what folder do I drop stuff in for gnome-user-share?
<Administrator> i didn't realize i hadn't changed it on this comp yet
<dazed_> Agrajag: i could make one
<Administrator> sorry
<Agrajag> dazed_: then do it, and install windows on that, and then reinstall grub from a livecd
<kain> windows can be installed after linux, just be sure you have a first primary partition
<kain> sometimes windows rewrite mbr, so you must rerun grub or lilo
<dazed_> agrajag: thats what i was thinking could be done
<Wilcox> Hello
<Wilcox> How is everyone???
<dazed_> ill do that this summer
<dazed_> lol
<britt_radiofree> anyone?
<dazed_> i dont need windows ...plus i got a laptop with nix and dows
<Borg^Queen> if he installed windows on another drive, it will not rewrite the BR on the linux drive/
<dazed_> so im good
<Borg^Queen> Hello Wilcox q
<dazed_> Borg^Queen: your right
<error_29> kain-- you mean that first primary should be reserved for windows?  or linux needs to be in there?
<dazed_> but you could choose which drive to boot from
<kain> error_29, I mean that windows install itself in the first primary partition
<Borg^Queen> dazed_: let me guess, games?
<jason> weird it just broke my xorg.conf
<dazed_> Borg^Queen: you got it
<Borg^Queen> Addict lol
<dazed_> lol
<geneo91> windows asks where you want it
<zenrox> i have tones of native linux games
<error_29> I thought winxp gave you a choice of partition to install to...
<dazed_> geno91: what do you mean?
<Borg^Queen> take a small drive and install it, run a completely separate drive for Windows.
<kain> geneo91, yes, but as far as I know he wants a primary partition
<Borg^Queen> zenrox: Descent?
<geneo91> just the mbr would get wiped so you need to reinstall grub is all
<dazed_> yeah
<zenrox> Borg^Queen,  nope
<zenrox> nwn gold + hotu
<Borg^Queen> If you install win on a sep drive, the mbr on the nix drive will remain untouched. You can then manually add the win drive as a boot option.
* error_29 is glad he kept windows on new laptop, so he can listen to radio, grumbles...
<Borg^Queen> nwn?
<geneo91> kain:  it would be the primary for windows
<geneo91> kain:  no matter where it is on the drive
<zenrox> Borg^Queen,  never winter nights
<dazed_> Borg^Queen: if they are 2 completely seperate drives then you have to choose which drive to boot from and they would be completely sepearte mbr's
<kain> forget me if I'm wrong, but can you install windows on an extended partition?
<sabmoc> im just amazed and amazed
<sabmoc> amazed and fscking amazed
<Borg^Queen> Aye but if you tell grub where it is, it will include it. man grub
<dazed_> sabmoc: at what?
<dazed_> Borg^Queen: can grub really do that?
<dazed_> i did not know
<geneo91> kain:  windows can see only one primary
<sabmoc> dazed_ ubuntu guide
<Borg^Queen> kain:  yes you can but with a lot of problems
<geneo91> its own
<kain> and that's the point, sorry for my english but I can't do any better to explain
<Borg^Queen> kain:  you're doing fine
<kain> thanks
<Borg^Queen> :)
<infidel> how come when i installed ubuntu it didn't ask me for a root password but when i try to su - it won't let me
<sabmoc> dazed_ its like everything I've ever wanted, now if only it had some instructions for my wife ;) kekeke
<Borg^Queen> dazed_: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/Kernel-Build-HOWTO/en/x594.html
<geneo91> kain:  i have some big drives here with 4 primaries on them
<zenrox> infidel,  read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki and search for sudo
<ShredWheat> Does wine have an ESD sound driver?
<thoreauputic> infidel: because you don't use su, you use sudo with your user password
<Borg^Queen> dazed_: http://desktops.linux.com/howtos/Multiboot-with-GRUB.shtml
<geneo91> infidel:  man sudo in terminal
<infidel> ok thnks
<dazed_> Borq^Queen: the amazing things that can be done with grub make it ultimately incredibly easy to dual boot the WRONG way lol :)
<thoreauputic> infidel: you didn't read the screen that explains this in the installer, did you?
<Borg^Queen> I was very impressed with ubuntu's website. It's message
<geneo91> dazed i have 7 oses on this box
<Borg^Queen> dazed_: you said a mouth full
<Borg^Queen> geneo91: you crazy man
<geneo91> no i just do a lot of testing
<dazed_> hehe
<Borg^Queen> What have you tested?
<dazed_> geno91: i know you listed em all the other day :)
<geneo91> just about every major linux distro there is
<Borg^Queen> list them again
<Borg^Queen> lol whoa
<Borg^Queen> My goodness. And which do you like best?
<geneo91> well i added a new cooker version of mandrake 10.2 yesterday
<pepsi> join #c
<pepsi> er
<zenrox> geneo91,  have thay got there act together yet
<geneo91> some of the kde3.4 stuff is backported to kde 3.3.2
<Borg^Queen> geneo91: what do you think of Mandrake?
<geneo91> its not as good as it used to be
<aspuru> Does nvidia work again in hoary preview? (I just updated a bunch of packages!)
<raydogg> How come when i right click on a mp3, it crashes the window I was viewing the mp3 with
<raydogg> but other files don't cause this
<zenrox> aspuru, should
<aspuru> thanks zenrox
<geneo91> raydogg:  you need decoder
<Borg^Queen> geneo91: not as good as it used to be?
<geneo91> Borg^Queen:  yeah used to be cutting edge but to many slackers working there now
<raydogg> geneo91, I installed xmms and it plays them fine if i drag them from the window
<aspuru> wish me luck! rebooting
<aspuru> :)
<raydogg> i am trying to change the file associationg
<raydogg> -g
<jeorb> sorry for a lame question but google seems to be failing me -- where can I find a package list for ubuntu universe?  (i'm contemplating switiching from gentoo)
<Borg^Queen> slackers as in the OS or slackers as in layabouts?
<geneo91> raydogg:  maybe you need to choose mine types for it
<Borg^Queen> jeorb: good question
<geneo91> or tell it what player to use a default
<farruinn> Hey folks, I just finished modifying the default beep-media-player skin to match the Human Theme: http://www2.potsdam.edu/sprang31/HumanSkin.png and HumanSkin.tar.gz
<farruinn> jeorb: do a google for ubuntu packages, check the first hit
<geneo91> farruinn:  do jpg please
<farruinn> one sec
<jeorb> farruin: wow, I was so close (was searching for "ubuntu universe packages") thanks!
<farruinn> jeorb: no problem =)
<raydogg> geneo91, mine types ?
<geneo91> mp3
<Borg^Queen> geneo91: why jpgs?
<geneo91> i used to using so many oses i get confused
<geneo91> Borg^Queen: low bandwidth here
<Borg^Queen> lol
<Borg^Queen> Ah ok
<raydogg> geneo91, what file are the file associations stored in, maybe i can change it manually ?
<farruinn> ok, HumanSkin.jpg is there now
<Borg^Queen> raydogg: what gui are you using?
<raydogg> gnome?
<Borg^Queen> rats
<raydogg> why ?
<geneo91> 28800 and getting sp2 for a custommers box
<farruinn> geneo91: heh, the png is actually smaller...
<Borg^Queen> KDE, you have imediate control over file assiociation
<raydogg> I dont' really like kde that much
<raydogg> i used to use it
<Borg^Queen> GASP!
* Borg^Queen passes out
<geneo91> farruinn:  how'd you manage that
<raydogg> i dont' think its as mature as gnome
<farruinn> geneo91: just went with gimp defaults....
<Borg^Queen> Have you used it?
<raydogg> yeah
<geneo91> ahh thats why
<raydogg> I used to use it exclusively
<Borg^Queen> Aye, I use both current versions.
<raydogg> I wish adobe would port photoshop to linux
<Borg^Queen> Gnome and KDE.
<Borg^Queen> Yuck
<raydogg> thats one app that i think there will never be a oss equivalent
<GammaRay> raydogg: why?
<Borg^Queen> The gimp is getting there
<raydogg> because i deal with alot of psds
<raydogg> and gimp doesn't open them correctly
<Borg^Queen> In some ways it's better
<geneo91> gimp is going to be better than photoshop one day
<GammaRay> becasue of the file format? pfft
<raydogg> maybe one day...
<Borg^Queen> Not yet
<raydogg> well, pfft all you want
<raydogg> but i have no choice
<raydogg> i have to keep windows/photoshop around
<Borg^Queen> raydogg:  you can't open psd files?
<raydogg> or vmware/windows/photoshop
<raydogg> yeah, gimp opens them
<raydogg> but not correctly
<jeorb> photoshop works well in wine (if your already used to photoshop it beats learning the gimp interface)
<Borg^Queen> Odd I've never had a problem
<raydogg> Wine makes windows apps look like poop
<raydogg> and it is buggy
<GammaRay> well that's different from "thats one app that i think there will never be a oss equivalent"
<farruinn> gimp will only get better if more peopple use it
<raydogg> GammaRay, maybe I was being a little overdramatic :-)
<Borg^Queen> lol
<Hayden> can you export documents from the gimp in psd?
<geneo91> raydogg:  is that gimp 2.2 you have
<raydogg> yeah
<Borg^Queen> Hayden: I don't think so
* GammaRay tries to think of a win app he would like to see ported
<jeorb> yes and no -- you lose some transparency in the layers and layer effects are lost
<Hayden> ok
<kain> GammaRay, surely internet explorer
<kain> rofl
<raydogg> Well, how about FlashFXP :-)
<Borg^Queen> GammaRay: Descent
<geneo91> tell the ppl at gimp .org
<raydogg> geneo91, I'm sure they'll listen to me tons
<Borg^Queen> kain: that's just mean
<GammaRay> GoLive is pretty good.. dunno about that new editor that uses the mozilla toolkit
<geneo91> raydogg:  they listen to everyone
<Copons> Hi i was wondering, how can burn a vcd?
<Borg^Queen> GammaRay: NuView?
<GammaRay> that's the one...
<Borg^Queen> Copons: K3b
<Borg^Queen> GammaRay: it bites
<Borg^Queen> Mozilla's is better
<geneo91> raydogg:  look at there bug list for that and see if their aware of the problem
<GammaRay> Borg^Queen: huh?
<Borg^Queen> Its bad
<kain> I would like to see dc++ in linux.. dcgui-qt is not so good
<GammaRay> Borg^Queen: woah I thought you said "mozilla is better"
<Borg^Queen> I did.
<GammaRay> (the browser)
<Borg^Queen> The editor in mozilla is better than the revamped nuview editor
<Borg^Queen> Copons: you can also use dvdstyler to do it.
<jeorb> nvu is a long way from being done so don't pick on it too much yet ;)
<DakPowers> Oh my gosh! So close!
<Borg^Queen> Or kavi2vcd
<Borg^Queen> jeorb: ok ok
<Copons> Borg^Queen, can it burns vcd with a ,avi file?
<farruinn> geneo91: the screenshot I made is 31K, the .tar.gz is 37K
<DakPowers> I've got my ndiswrapper installed, the driver installed... Is there some sort of a wireless tool that you can use to configure stuff?
<Borg^Queen> copilot: nope, you need to convert them to vcd format. Get avidemux2 for that.
<geneo91> farruinn:  i'll look
<Borg^Queen> Make sure you have ALL it's deps
<geneo91> farruinn:  that skin will work with xmms also???????
<farruinn> geneo91: I just thought it was interesting that the whole thing is only slightly larger than the screenshot
<farruinn> geneo91: it should
<farruinn> I haven't tried it
<xoxoxo> hello. anybody pls tell me how can i update for security fixes in ubuntu (only security fixes, not other updates)?
<geneo91> yeah i think so to a regular winamp 1 skin
<Borg^Queen> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/
<geneo91> or 2 sorry
<farruinn> xoxoxo: just comment out all the lines except the security ones in /etc/apt/sources.list
<Borg^Queen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/
<farruinn> geneo91: this is the first time I've ever done anything like this
<DakPowers> Is there a tool in Ubuntu that lets you choose which wlan to connect to and what not?
<farruinn> or even used gimp tbh...
<bluefoxicy> how the fuck does bittorrent work anyway
<bluefoxicy> files have random chunks of other files in them
<geneo91> farruinn:  looks good i have a BeOS skin i use most of the time
<bluefoxicy> except
<bluefoxicy> when it finishes
<bluefoxicy> everything's right.
<bluefoxicy> bittorrent down ocremix, play one file, you hear chunks from like 10 files
<DakPowers> Blue, you're downloading chunks from other people... And uploading chunks TO other people
<farruinn> geneo91: yeah, I don't know if I'll actually be using it much, I have a nice one that matches my enlightenment theme
<bluefoxicy> when the torrent's done, the files are correct
<DakPowers> Yep
<bluefoxicy> DakPowers: Into hundreds or thousands of files at once
<farruinn> but I thought there should be a brown skin to match human, I couldn't find any
<bluefoxicy> DakPowers:  it's not like it makes 1 big file
<visor> hey people im not trying to troll but how do you see the default (clearlooks) theme in ubuntu, do you like it?
<DakPowers> bluefoxicy, I know, I'm just sayin', that's how it works
<bluefoxicy> it makes like, 01_-_Mario2.mp3 02_-_Sonic3.mp3 03_-_Mario.mp3 and 01_-_Mario2.mp3 will have chunks of the other two until the torrent finishes
<geneo91> farruinn:  i have kde here with pipe cross so i dont think it would match to well
<bluefoxicy> what the hell does it do
<bluefoxicy> reorganize everything crossfile at the end
<farruinn> geneo91: lol, probably not
<xoxoxo> Borg^Queen: i cannot find any help on my question at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/ ?
<bluefoxicy> for like 900 hours
<geneo91> farruinn:  my daughters fav colors
<tritium> xoxoxo, assuming you have Warty, you need these 2 lines in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
<tritium> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
<bluefoxicy> DakPowers:  I could see it downloading chunks of file X into file X, Y into Y, Z into Z; but not X Y and Z into X and Z Y and X into Y and so on
<raptor9k> anyone here successfully running NetworkManager in Hoary? Having some trouble getting the NetworkManagerInfo working
<Borg^Queen> <farruinn> xoxoxo: just comment out all the lines except the security ones in /etc/apt/sources.list
<bluefoxicy> DakPowers:  extrude for 1000 files and grab random sets of 5-10 to associate with random files
<xoxoxo> tritium: yes, then ?
<xoxoxo> Borg^Queen: that is not the good solution, rite?
<farruinn> xoxoxo: just disable anything that doesn't say security in the repositories window in synaptic
<tritium> xoxoxo, update and upgrade as usual
<geneo91> raptor9k:  use network-admin in terminal
<Borg^Queen> xoxoxo: everyone is giving you the instructions you need. Filter out the rest of us and read what they are telling you carefully.
<signal> is here a way to start an x terminal using a different configuration file than you did for the one that you get when you boot?
<bluefoxicy> DakPowers:  It works werid, I wanna know htf it manages to do that without filesystem damage or massive restructuring at the end
<xoxoxo> comments out lines, then upgrade? i expect there are some command line option, so i dont need to touch source.list all the time
<signal> i'm trying now and it seems to not be loading a window manager
<tritium> xoxoxo, you only edit sources.list once
<xoxoxo> Borg^Queen: i see the answers, but i think there are better way.
<farruinn> signal: a window manager or a display manager?
<Borg^Queen> xoxoxo: it would seem they have a great deal of experience with Ubu, I would take their advice.
<geneo91> tritium:  not so
<raptor9k> geneo91: I know its there but I was really hoping to get NetworkManager working...
<tritium> geneo91, ?
<xoxoxo> tritium: then after updating, i must modify the sources.list again (to back to normal)? then everytime i need to upgrade for security fixes, i must again modify sources.list??? too bad i guess.
<Borg^Queen> xoxoxo: at worst, it will do until you find a better way.
<tritium> xoxoxo, no, you'll always want security updates, won't you?
<xoxoxo> i meant that is a solution, but that doesnt scale
<geneo91> tritium:  i've done mine 3-4 times now
<tritium> geneo91, why?
<xoxoxo> tritium: but what if i need to install a new software?
<geneo91> why because things change everyday
<tritium> geneo91, not repositories
<dazed_> raptor9k: what kinda network trouble you having im having some myself?
<xoxoxo> Borg^Queen: ok i see, but i wonder if there is another way.
<geneo91> yes some do
<tritium> geneo91, not official ones
<Borg^Queen> xoxoxo: There maybe, and in time we will find it.
<signal> farriunn: a guess a display manager, i'm getting a grey screen with an X cursor
<xoxoxo> ok, anyway i appreciate your helps. thanks
<geneo91> well i use some others aswell man!!!!!!!!!!
<Borg^Queen> xoxoxo: save a copy of the original file as a reference
<dazed_> can anyone help me with my network trouble...i have 2 ubuntu systems (laptop-hoary, pc-warty) each system can pick up their own systems shared folders but not the other systems shared folders....anyone have any ideas!?!?!?!?!?
<tritium> geneo91, what I said is correct for official repos
<farruinn> signal: did this happen randomly or did you just install?
<raptor9k> well I'm mostly having trouble getting the applet NetworkManagerInfo to work correctly.  The network stuff is fine, I just want an easier way to manage wireless networks
<dazed_> oh raptor9k ok
<tritium> geneo91, don't correct me if you have a special case that's an exception
<geneo91> tritium:  what if he wants the other updates next week
<dazed_> anyone have any ideas for me?
<raptor9k> i set up NetworkManager according the the wiki entry on the ubuntu site using the ubuntu packages but I can't get the applet to show up in the notification box
<geneo91> case closed
<tritium> geneo91, he asked for "only security fixes"
<geneo91> but you said you only do it once
<farruinn> raptor9k: the _applet_ would just sit on the panel wouldn't it? The notification area is its own applet...
<jeorb> dazed_:is this with samba or something else?
<tritium> that's right
<signal> farruin: When I boot theres no problem... i'm trying to be able to have different terminals have different properties so i can do things like watch dvds and enable 3d support
<agentdunken> hi
<tritium> geneo91, you don't have to be editing your sources.list all the time
<dazed_> jeorb: i believe its with samba
<dazed_> thats what i have installed
<raptor9k> well the aplet should show up inside the notification area aplet hehe
<geneo91> i do
<agentdunken> hi is there a way to install gnoppix onto your hd?
<farruinn> signal: ah, I see. You're using gdm flexiserver?
<dazed_> i just want to do some file sharing between the 2 computers
<tritium> geneo91, then you're an exception to the rule
<farruinn> raptor9k: I see =) (I dont have a laptop)
<agentdunken> is there any way to install gnoppix onto your hd?
<geneo91> tritium:  i use some rpms as well
<agentdunken> is there any way to install gnoppix ontoy uor hd
<raptor9k> I think that's how it goes.  Its the part of the bar down by the clock where battery status and stuff is shwon
<farruinn> agentdunken: you'll need the install cd
<raptor9k> shown*
<agentdunken> where do you get the install cd
<farruinn> agentdunken: www.ubuntulinux.org
<jeorb> dazed_:what did you do so far to set it up?
<dazed_> any ideas jeorb?
<signal> farruin: umm...no, but it sounds like I should be. isn't there some way to just pass startx or X a .conf file to read?
<bluefoxicy> ok
<dazed_> ok well...
<bluefoxicy> it's rearranging shit while it goes
<bluefoxicy> so what the hell
<bluefoxicy> bt-insert-sort or something
<agentdunken> thx
<geneo91> well i need sleep
<geneo91> nite all
<farruinn> signal: if all you want to do is have different sessions open (gnome, fluxbox, xfce, etc) flexiserver will work
<dazed_> jeorb: i have my pc set up comfortably i believe ( i installed samba smbfs and samba client and i can browse windows networks (when there is one))
<farruinn> signal: at least that's the extent I've used it for
<Borg^Queen> geneo91: night
<dazed_> jeorb: i installed the same packages on the laptop and its just not bringing up the other systems shared folders in the 'network:///'
<farruinn> signal: iirc you have Applications>System Tools>New Login with the default install...
<jeorb> dazed_: did you happen to give them the same network name?
<dazed_> jeorb: i did at first...but then i changed it, but wierd thing is...the old network name (which is same as pc) is still being brought up on the laptop
<Borg^Queen> Well people. My question is. I'm starting a lug for noobs in my area. Would ubu, be a good starting point for them?
<raptor9k> anyone notice that gdm-restart doesn't work...for some reason the - isn't recognized as a printable character :/
<jeorb> daded
<geneo91> tritium:  btw i use plf for somethings
<farruinn> raptor9k: try /etc/init.d/gdm restart
<tritium> geneo91, and?
<raptor9k> hmm
<agentdunken> ok
<jeorb> dazed_: i had that happen once too...lemme think back...
<farruinn> Borg^Queen: when someone wants to try linux for the first time I hand them an ubuntu cd
<Borg^Queen> ok
<dazed_> jeorb: preciate it :)
<signal> farruinn: thanks.
<Borg^Queen> My next question. I deal with churchs that have NO net connection. When I need to give them updates, I do it via CDs. How hard would it be to do that with ubu?
<ells> tritium: what is up mike
<tritium> ells, Hey Steve
<dazed_> jeorb: if it helps the window title is a lil strange to me it says 'initial-laptop on initial-laptop' sounds like its on its own server if i could get it on a general server?
<ells> tritium: my computer is working.I went ahead and upgraded and am using rhythmbox
<tritium> ells, how do you like it?
<goodoldunclemike> ? i just installed ubuntu 4.10...and during install i did not see anywhere where it asked me to create a root password..so how do i install stuff now..where i need root access
<tritium> goodoldunclemike, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Quarupt> whats the command to run a .pl (python) script?
<ells> tritium: not bad mike, kind of reminds me of iTunes
<goodoldunclemike> ok thanks
<jeorb> dazed_: open a root terminal, type everything between the quotes "mount -t smbfs //COMPUTERNAME/SHARENAME" changing COMPUTERNAME and SHARENAME as needed -- this will tell us if samba is configured and working
<tritium> ells, that's the idea
<ells> tritium: that is good, I use iTunes
<ells> will eventually go to that for my iPod
<Quarupt> Anyone execute a python script?
<farruinn> Quarupt: python script.pl
<lukewarm> Quarupt, .pl is perl, not python
<ikaro> moin
<farruinn> oop
<tritium> ells, does the iPod support in rhythmbox work for you?
<dazed_> jeorb: it gave me an error hold on let me bring up xchat on the laptop
<Quarupt> oh my bad
<farruinn> Quarupt: if it *is* python just 'python name.py' :D
<ells> tritium: havent tried yet, if you hold on I will let you know real quick
<jeorb> dazed_: i realized i cut down my example too far :P
<Quarupt> okay but its perl
<dazed_> i know
<tritium> ells, ok.  I don't have an iPod, so I have no idea...
<jeorb> dazed_: 'mkdir /mnt/smb'
<dazed_> ... add /mountfolder
<Quarupt> so how to execute a perl script?
<ells> tritium: we shall see real quick
<dazed_> jeorb: it gave me an smbfs error though
<jeorb> dazed_: exactly
<lukewarm> Quarupt, take a wild guess
<jeorb> dazed_: what was the error?
<Quarupt> perl file.pl?
<dazed_> jeorb: im loading up xchat on the laptop so i can paste it one sec
<jeorb> ok
<raptor9k> lol
<raptor9k> restarted the machine and the applet is there now
<dazed__> jeorb: this is the error '16957: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
<dazed__> SMB connection failed
<farruinn> Quarupt: I *think* you can ./file.pl
<jeorb> dazed_: then your samba is setup to require a password and possibly a user
<dazed_> how do i change that...i installed only basic packages and didnt configure anything
<raptor9k> brb testing wireless
<jeorb> dazed_:lemme see if I can find the gnomish way to do it (i'm a kde user)
<dazed_> alright thanks jeorb
<ells> tritium: will have too look into it, I have mp4 on my ipod, so i think I will need additional codecs
<Quarupt> this script wants to know the location of my GCC program, how do i find it?
<dazed_> also when i try to mount my laptops shared folder onto my pc it gives me a failed to connect error
<tritium> ells, cool.  I'll be curious to know your results
<dazed_> actually it gives me same error
<ells> tritium: will let you know
<tritium> ells, cool, thanks
<Quarupt> Can someone please tell me where GCC is kept by default?
<Fackamato> Quarupt: whereis gcc
<farruinn> Quarupt: it's not installed by default, you'll need build-essential
<LordGrunt> hi
<Fackamato> hi
<rattboi> can someone help me either figure out how to do hardware sound mixing or use the ALSA software mixer as default, so I can have more than one app using sound?
<LordGrunt> is it possible to hav esupermount with latest kernel on hoary?
<jeorb> dazed_:I'm having trouble finding info on configuring samba from Gnome.  You might want to try from the command line.
<DakPowers> Ayeeee... I can't boot up Ubuntu. It stops on clock synchronization for 2 minutes or more
<Quarupt> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running
<Quarupt> kernel?
<dazed_> thats fine what do i need to do???
<dazed_> jeorb: thats fine what do i need to do???**
<jeorb> dazed_: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19967
<rattboi> DakPowers, press ctrl+C
<rattboi> DakPowers, do you have ethernet on?
<DakPowers> Seriously? That's all I'm missing? Geez... lol
<LordGrunt> Quarupt: need to download it forst
<DakPowers> Yes, but still nothing
<Quarupt> LordGrunt, I think i have Kernel Headers
<DakPowers> So Ctrl+C will skip that step?
<rattboi> it'll kill the script, so yeah
<LordGrunt> Quarupt: /usr/src/?
<andreiz> hello. how do i find out the dependencies of a binary ? i need that in order to create a config file (Depends section) for a deb package
<DakPowers> Awesome... brb, hopefully :-/
<DakPowers> Thanks, by the way
<rattboi> might be ctrl+x
<rattboi> but I think it's ctrl+c
<DakPowers> Alright, I'll give it a try. Thanks, rattboi
<LordGrunt> hmm, about the supermount again, pls?
<jeorb> dazed_: I think I found something even better -- try installing gnosamba, it looks perfect
<rattboi> isn't supermount a Mandrake thing?
<LordGrunt> mdk only?
<adamh> I've got two sound cards on my system (nvidia's built-in one and my emu10k1). The speakers are plugged into the second, and so I get no sound. How do I select an alternate sound card?
<dazed_> jeorb: ill give it a shot...is it in apt-get?
<rattboi> jeorb, do you like Homestarrunner?
<LordGrunt> rattboi: you think there is anyway to get such feature in ubuntu?
<rattboi> LordGrunt, what is your problem exactly?
<jeorb> dazed_:i believe so, there is a debian package for it
<rattboi> most of my mounts already automount
<technomajian> Wow, folks, you got another happy ubuntu user.  lol, this is awesome.
<LordGrunt> rattboi: cd's wont mount automatically, neither they unmount
<dazed_> jeorb: could u direct me to the debian package cuz im not seeing it in my apt-cache
<rattboi> LordGrunt, are you running warty?
<LordGrunt> hoary
<rattboi> LordGrunt, strange
<rattboi> it's working here
<LordGrunt> do you have in fstab a line for cd?
<andreiz> please help. how do i find out the dependencies of a binary ? i need that in order to create a config file (Depends section) for a deb package..
<LordGrunt> rattboi: cause it wasnt present when just installed
<LordGrunt> needed to add it myself
<Quarupt> Can anyone please tell me in which dir are the kernel headers stored?
<technomajian> Got a couple of questions to throw into the fray, though.  I'd like to get rid of OpenOffice -- want to install 1.1.4 -- but in order to remove the package using Synaptic, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop as well.  How do I get around that?  Do I need to get around that?
<Fackamato> Quarupt:  /usr/src
<adamh> technomajian: You remove ubuntu-desktop
<Fackamato> you have to make a symlink to /usr/src/linux yourself
<adamh> technomajian: ubuntu-desktop doesn't actually have any files. It's just a bunch of dependencies.
<technomajian> Oh, oh, okay.  Thanks.
<LordGrunt> technomajian: ubuntu-desktop is preety useless ;)
<adamh> technomajian: Unfortunately, when you dist-upgrade you may miss out on nice stuff. For example, when I switched from Warty to Hoary I missed out on Gamin and things got quite broken :)
<technomajian> I'm a little gunshy in that regard ever since I removed a Mandrake package and hosed my system.  lol.
<technomajian> Ick.
<adamh> Quarupt: /usr/src/linux-headers-xxxxx
<dazed_> jeorb: i found the package...should i install gnosamba on both systems???
<adamh> Quarupt: You've gotta have the linux-headers-xxxx package installed first :)
<Quarupt> it is
<adamh> So, nobody here has had problems with multiple sound cards?
<technomajian> If I uninstalled it for now, and then upgraded to Hoary later, and at that point reinstalled ubuntu-desktop, would it require me to reinstall the old OpenOffice as well?
<adamh> technomajian: Yes.
<technomajian> Okay.
<Quarupt> this script is asking for my C header files thta match my running kernel?
<technomajian> Nuts.  Guess I've got a decision to make.  hmm ...
<adamh> technomajian: What *I* ended up doing for a while was just typing in "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", typing "N" when it asked me, and then apt-get installing the ones from the list which I found important.
<adamh> Quarupt: The script ought to be able to find them automatically. But they're in /usr/src/linux-headers-xxxx... where xxxx is "type ls to find out" :)
<Quarupt> hrm all thats there is a dir called RPM
<tritium> Quarupt, did you install the headers already?
<technomajian> Ah, okay.  What's the rationale for the ubuntu-desktop package in the first place, then?  Not trying to be lippy, just sort of curious about it.
<farruinn> technomajian: it's an easy way to make sure all of the "necessary" packages are installed by default
<LordGrunt> rattboi: k, i have noticed that cd spins a bit when inserted. then, spins a bit more when entering /media/ but /media/cdrom doesnt contain anything
<technomajian> Ah, okay.
<adamh> technomajian: Erm... kinda hard to explain. It's like saying "What's the rationale for the 'gnome' package" :)
<technomajian> Heh, good point.
<Quarupt> tritium, I guess not, my problem is that i am running a 386 kernel but im using a AMD64 proc, so i should still get the headers that match my kernel right?
<technomajian> Thanks for the answers, folks.  As I said, I am EXTREMELY impressed with this distro!!
<adamh> technomajian: I think everybody who uses it is :)
<tritium> Quarupt, yes.  Get linux-headers-`uname -r`
* adamh just installed it on his desktop a couple of hours ago :)
<Quarupt> okay cool
<_4strO> yo
* adamh gives up on his soundcard problem and blacklists the nvidia sound driver in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d. Icky workaround :(
<LordGrunt> yep, except some minor thins...
* technomajian has it running on a Toshiba laptop.  Took him 15 minutes to get his wlan card working.  Took him 4 hours to do it in SuSE.
<dazed_> jeorb: tons of dependencies for that package hehe
<adamh> technomajian: Heh, mine worked as soon as I installed :P
<adamh> ...and then it died. MEH.
* adamh hates defective hardware :(
<adamh> Ah well, sweepytime
* tritium celebrates with technomajian 
<LordGrunt> so, anyone could know why my automount is not working?
<technomajian> Well, from a little Googling, I've discovered that my card has historically been a little pain in the butt.  Linksys WPC11 v.4.
<pastyhermit> if I run Hoary
<pastyhermit> it will update until Hoary becomes stable right?
<dazed_> sudo apt-get install gdk-imlib1 && sudo apt-get install libart2 && sudo apt-get install libdb2 && sudo apt-get install libgnome32 && sudo apt-get install libgnomesupport0 && sudo apt-get install libgnomeui32 && sudo apt-get install xlib6g
<deFrysk> pastyhermit, yes
<pastyhermit> so if I keep updating hoary when it comes stable I will have the exact same isntall?
<deFrysk> pastyhermit, yes
<pastyhermit> sweet
<pastyhermit> Hoary + XFCE here we come :D
<dazed_> http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/gnosamba
<pastyhermit> mm when the new NVIDIA card comes I will get composite too :D
<DakPowers> I'm having wlan trouble now... But I've got further than I ever have before, sooo
<pastyhermit> later dudes
<pastyhermit> oh one more question
<pastyhermit> if I want a pretty bare-bones install I should just do a "server" install and upgrade and install stuff from there right?
<farruinn> sure, just make sure you get an xserver
<pastyhermit> xserver?
<pastyhermit> Whats that :P
<farruinn> if you get xfce it should probably pull in what you need
<pastyhermit> farruinn: yeah I figured as much
<jasoncohen> this guy on mandrdake is insisting that ubuntu has no root user. I think he is an idiot and doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. can someone clear up the situation?
<jeorb> dazed_: sorry I kinda disappeared, real life called me away...i'll be gone for the rest of the night...good luck!
<pastyhermit> alright, later dudes
<jasoncohen> on #mandrake
<SmokingFire> on #mythtv-users
<jasoncohen> my mistake
<jasoncohen> #mythtv-users, correct
<dazed_> jeorb: thanks for the help have a good one
<SmokingFire> And I said its disabled by default
<technomajian> jasoncohen:  that confused me too for a bit, but I eventually figured it out ... lol
<jasoncohen> heh
<jasoncohen> so, what's the answer?
<SmokingFire> So anyone can confirm me or jason?
<jasoncohen> clearly the "first account" has system rights
<jasoncohen> as root would
<technomajian> Well, I just RTFM and all was a-okay.  ;-)
<jasoncohen> and as such it seems it is root with a different name
<SmokingFire> but technomajian is the the root account disabled by default or not?
<tritium> jasoncohen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<jasoncohen> how could it be disabled? Some account must have root privileges- call it whatever you want
<technomajian> It is disabled by default, and you have to sudo everything.  However, enabling it is trivial if you really want to.
<jasoncohen> technomajian: so you can't login as root directly, you have to sudo to get root privileges?
<DakPowers> Alright... I've read the support documents, Installed ndiswrapper, got the right driver going, LED on the wireless card is on, just now I can't connect to my wlan... Am I doing something wrong?
<technomajian> Out of the box, yes, that is what I've found.  But again, if you want to be able to log in as root, you can set it up to do that by doing a sudo passwd root, and assigning root a password.
<technomajian> What card do you have, DakPowers?
<DakPowers> Dell Truemobile 1300
<technomajian> Eek, okay.  Well, hmm ... did you run modprobe ndiswrapper?
<DakPowers> I receive signal and everything, I just can't connect to anything
<DakPowers> Yes
<technomajian> Oh, okay.  I take it you've got the ESSID set up and all?
<DakPowers> Yeah, but it still won't connect :-/
<technomajian> Okay, did you check your default gateway? I had that problem with my card.
<pastyhermit> what tool says no root in ubuntu
<DakPowers> Here's the newbie question... Is the MAC address the same in Linux as it is in Windows?
<HrdwrBoB> pastyhermit: the majority of the developers
<pastyhermit> lol
<technomajian> Theoretically, yes.  The MAC address should never change.
<pastyhermit> why then can I type 'sudo passwd'
<HrdwrBoB> 'sudo' is generally a better idea
<pastyhermit> then su
<DakPowers> Because I have my router set up only to send to my MAC addresses
<pepsi> why do so many people complain about not having root?
<pastyhermit> lol
<HrdwrBoB> pastyhermit: you're free to do whatever you like
<HrdwrBoB> that's the way linux works :
<HrdwrBoB> :)
<pastyhermit> so there is a root user
<pastyhermit> :D
<pepsi> make one
<HrdwrBoB> of course there is
<pastyhermit> so ...
<HrdwrBoB> however we recommend you don't use it per se
<HrdwrBoB> only via sudo
<pastyhermit> why do 'developers say there is none
<HrdwrBoB> which is the way the ubuntu tools work
<pepsi> sudo -s
<pastyhermit> developers implies they have intellegence
<technomajian> DakPowers, brb.  gonna look at something.
<DakPowers> Alrighty, I appreciate it
<HrdwrBoB> because it's a lot easier than explaining the entire concept to someone who does not understand
<pastyhermit> HrdwrBoB: this is true :D
<HrdwrBoB> if you know enough to know there's a root account, go for your life, do what you want
<pastyhermit> just say 'Administration or System Password'
<HrdwrBoB> there's no need for a seperate password
<pastyhermit> :D
<HrdwrBoB> using sudo you simply use your password
<pastyhermit> well for some there is :D
<HrdwrBoB> those that want to do it that way are welcome to
<pastyhermit> sweet :D
<HrdwrBoB> as a sysadmin I find sudo is very useful in logging what goes on by whom and when
<HrdwrBoB> even things I've done
<pastyhermit> I guess for the desktops let the users do whayt they want
<technomajian> DakPowers, you might want to get one of these more serious gurus to tell you what command line ditty to use to check to see what your system thinks the MAC address is.  I'm not very good with the command line thing.  The MAC address shouldn't change, but I've seen it happen on ethernet cards before, so it may be possible with a wlan too.
<HrdwrBoB> from a laypersons POV, sudo is generally a better idea
<HrdwrBoB> because there is only one password
<farruinn> and from a desktop distro pov
<technomajian> DakPowers, can you talk to the router?
<DakPowers> Let me see.
<DakPowers> Yes, I can, while I'm plugged in
<DakPowers> Should I try while unplugged?
<technomajian> Try using your wlan card.
<DakPowers> If I discon, you'll know why... brb
<technomajian> k.
<DakPowers> Nothing.
<DakPowers> :-/
<technomajian> hmm.  k, looking.
<Quarupt> Massage the BEAST
<Quarupt> oops
<technomajian> Well, I'm out on a limb here because I'm only been using Ubuntu for a couple of hours, but if you've got your ESSID and WEP key info right ... I don't know.  It's not the problem I thought it was if you can't talk to the router.
<jsgotangco> bbl
<DakPowers> lol
<DakPowers> Darn
<technomajian> Don't feel bad, I had a hell of a time getting my system set up the first time I tried.
<technomajian> Perhaps you could tweak something on the router side of things?
<DakPowers> Yeah, I've been trying for 2 days now over 2 distros
<LordGrunt> another problem, my mplayer plays avi's almost like slideshow, this is not normal thing, i used to plays tons of movies on my prev system, mdk
<LordGrunt> all with great performance
<DakPowers> Here's the thing, though... I'll connect to the router and look at the active users. Plug in the card, and a MAC address shows up. So the card/computer are acknowledging each other, but just not talking to each other.
<technomajian> Yeah, hawke, I feel that way at times too.
<technomajian> Try pinging your router.
<technomajian> Remember, I'm just kind of a high-tier newbie myself.  Way I see it, you poke enough screws with the screwdriver, something'll go squeak.
<DakPowers> lol
<DakPowers> Nothing when I ping it :-/
<technomajian> Okay, I'm all out of ideas, I think.  Maybe someone else can jump in?  I honestly don't know from here ... :-(
<jnoon> anyone know how to disable beep on the whole system? ie. not just in terminal, and not just in firefox, but just remove the thing completely?
<DakPowers> I so appreciate the help, though :)
<technomajian> You're welcome.  I wish I could have done more.
<Fackamato> anyone tried f1 2002 in cedega?
<farruinn> jnoon: have you looked at the Sound preferences? You can disable "sounds for events"
<jnoon> farruinn, thanks.  looks like it worked!  would there be any benefit to ... dont know how to explain this correctly... to disable it at the startup level, so it isnt even loaded at boot, so it couldnt function no matter what options were checked?
<farruinn> I don't think there would be a benefit...
<technomajian> Well, all, I need to get to bed.  See you folks later.  Again, thanks for your help!
<knoppix> anybody have time for a hardware question?
<knoppix> just replaced my mobo
<knoppix> and now i can't boot into X
<Fackamato> what mainboard did you have before, and which one are you using now?
<knoppix> but i was able to boot into knoppix just fine
<knoppix> ECS KT600A now
<farruinn> the BusID has probably changed for your graphics card
<knoppix> oh ok
<knoppix> so how do i workaround?
<knoppix> change something in XF86Config-4?
<farruinn> I'd back up your XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf first then run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
<Fackamato> or just search for "busid" in your X config and compare with lspci
<Fackamato> save yoruself some time
<farruinn> there's a better solution
<turf> where could i edit my eth0, can't find its path /etc/sysconfig?
<knoppix> thanks!
<farruinn> hm, what I have in my xorg.conf and what lspci return is different
<farruinn> looks like one is hex and the other decimal, is that true for everyone or just macs?
<Anubis> http://www.linuxmagazine.com/content/view/45/115/
<Quarupt> Ubuntu was on Slashdot today
<sonojacker> Hello friends.  Does anyone know about an acpi problem at recent hoary updates?
<wm_eddie> Synaptic said this: Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
<sonojacker> don't worry, that's grub
<wm_eddie> is there some official splash image for Ubuntu?
<wm_eddie> ah
<wm_eddie> ok
<sonojacker> I don't think so
<sonojacker> but you can apt-get a package
<tritium> Quarupt, you never got back to me about linux-headers
<wm_eddie> I'll just leave things the way they are.
* wm_eddie goes back to homework.
<sonojacker> try apt-get install grub-splashimages
<sonojacker> tritium, hello.  Do you know something about kernel bugs at version 2.6.10-5?
<yoko-omo> can anyone explain to me why www.milwaukeebrewers.com crashes mozilla firefox in hoary?
<tritium> sonojacker, no, the last problems were in 2.6.10-4 (build 26) that I'm aware of
<Fackamato> yoko-omo: It diesn't crash mine
<medwards_> Has anyone started to look at unionfs for the livecd?
<yoko-omo> :/
<yoko-omo> greeat
<sonojacker> I see tritium.... is just that after today's upgrades, I don't have acpi support
<yoko-omo> well, now i wonder just how I fucked it up
<sonojacker> kernel's log shows successful acpi loading
<tritium> sonojacker, hmm, that's the first I've heard of any problems with it.  Sorry.
<calvin> hey, so whoever had the tip about my busid changing with my mobo replacement was right
<calvin> did the trick
<calvin> on to bigger and better things...my monitor resolution resets everytime i reboot.  has been happening ever since i bought my nifty new 17" LCD.
<calvin> it defaults back to 1024x768
<calvin> instead of 1280x1024
* tritium pokes Quarupt
<calvin> no biggie, but kind of a pain
<sonojacker> OK.  Thx tritium.  I will try to find out what happened.  Its a pitty, since mine is a laptop...
<tritium> sonojacker, yes, I'm sorry that happened to you
<sonojacker> r u a kernel developer tritium?
<sonojacker> for ubuntu i mean
<Fackamato> calvin:
<sonojacker> mantainer
<tritium> sonojacker, no, not even close :)
<sonojacker> hehe ok
<jesse_> YES.
<Fackamato> calvin: about the resolution, could you upload your X configuration somewhere
<sonojacker> I had never meet a kernel mantainer... they are mytic hah
<sonojacker> mythic
<csj> hello, I have apt-get install ubuntu-artwork and I use the clearlooks gtk theme, but how com I dont have the progressbar appear?
<tritium> sonojacker, I just like to see people have a good ubuntu experience, that's all
<sonojacker> that's so kind tritium! A real FLOSS attitude. congrats.
<tritium> sonojacker, :)
<csj> and I have check that the gconf seetiong "/desktop/gnome/interface/enable_animations" is true
<calvin> just noticed something in my XF86Config file
<Fackamato> How do I choose which gtk theme to use?
<csj> s/seetiong/setting
<calvin> let me see if this fixes it...
<tritium> sonojacker, but now it's bed time.  Take care!  See you around...
<yoko-omo> ...
<yoko-omo> this is annoying
<yoko-omo> I don't understand why firefox is crashing
<kalis> is there anyone in here who knows how to get ISO8859-1 folder/file names in SMB mounted shares to look as supposed?
<sonojacker> see ya tritium good luck
<sonojacker> people, does anyone have via chipsets in here?
<deFrysk> sonojacker, yes
<kalis> i have codepage=850 and iocharset=iso8859-1 in my fstab, but i still says "invalid encoding" for all iso8859-1 specifics
<sonojacker> do you work in Hoary deFrysk?
<deFrysk> in hoary yup
<sonojacker> did you applied today's updates deFrysk?
<deFrysk> yes
* deFrysk is a good boy ;p
<sonojacker> deFrysk, and everything all rite right?
<deFrysk> sonojacker, no glitches here
<sonojacker> I see... I have a problem with ACPI and my K8 scaling.
<deFrysk> koffee
<IrcUsr> does ubuntu play encrypted DVDs out of the box?
<medwards_> Anyone here ever tried generating a LiveCD from scratch (i. e., not starting from a previous LiveCD)?
<sonojacker> Anyone with scaling frequency scaling problems after today's updates?  Sad things like the GNOME Frequency app showing nothing?
<sonojacker> No IrcUsr
<ia1> anyone know the name of that app that lets you display in a browser the web traffic sniffed?
<IrcUsr> sonojacker: i don't see decss plugin in packages either, will i just have to do it manually?
<sonojacker> Google for Christian Marillat's packages for Debian IrcUsr
<sonojacker> apt-get the libcss stuff at his profane repositories IrcUsr
<sonojacker> (profane and necessary to impress your girlfriend and migrate her computer to linux)
<sonojacker> (btw, that was not sexist, just a real life story)
<ia1> sonojacker: how'd you impress her?
<medwards_> After going through remastering Kanotix and Knoppix CDs, I would sure rather have a reproducible process that starts with debootstrap or the equivalent.
<aeolist> argh
<aeolist> hi, does anybody know how i can turn off the automount in ubuntu?
<sonojacker> with a mix of GNOME simpleness, Muine, Tomboy, totem-xine showing a DVD and... presenting all this with tenderness heh
<sonojacker> sorry guys for talking about off topics
<Fackamato> aeolist: try removing "user" in /etc/fstab
<ia1> sonojacker: nicely done.  should get her involved in the scene.  needs more women.
<aeolist> it's not like that fackamato
<aeolist> i am trying to partition my usb hard disk
<aeolist> and it can't finish, because ubuntu mounts the first partition, before the format of the second partition is completed
<sonojacker> totally agree ia1
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<ian__> sonojacker: with gnome being all sexy-easy I think the time has come.  we're getting artist folk already (eg. http://actsofvolition.com)
<NeoCicak> hello
<NeoCicak> i have a usb bluetooth adapter...
<NeoCicak> how do i know if it works in ubuntu??
<sonojacker> true ian_, that's the plateau for a cultural something.  Ubuntu people pushed the concept even farther.
<deucehaus> can someone recommend a cheap videocard that will do dvds and mpeg/avi out of the box?  3d doesn't matter, but i'd also like dvi
<NeoCicak> helloooo
<NeoCicak> anyone can answer my question?
<aeolist> jesus man, be patient
<aeolist> if it works in linux it works in ubuntu
<aeolist> try searching some general linux forums
<aeolist> in general, linux supports 99% of hardware that's more than a month old
<eyequeue> NeoCicak:  i don't have one
<eyequeue> NeoCicak:  so i can't say from personal experience
<eyequeue> NeoCicak:  but since no one else appears to know either, mi'll tell you what i would do in that situation
<eyequeue> NeoCicak:  i would d/l the live cd, and see if my hardware worked with that first, before i did an install to disk
<sonojacker> Hey VIA chipset people.  I found the VIA chipset thingy: agpgart: Unsupported Via chipset (device id: 3188), you might want to try agp_try_unsupported=1.
<aeolist> good thinking eyequeue
<sonojacker> that's part of my kernel's log
<NeoCicak> i already have ubuntu installed :)
<eyequeue> heh, okay
<aeolist> why worry then
<aeolist> bluetooth has existed for more than 2-3 years
<aeolist> right?
<eyequeue> poke around in google with your model, + linux, and see what driver it uses
<eyequeue> then for "foo" you want to do a "modprobe foo" and it should work
<eyequeue> from the commandline, as root, so "sudo modprobe foo" in a terminal as your user account
<sonojacker> So, VIA chipsets are not part of the kernel, but that does not matter at all.
<sonojacker> At least this VIA chipset.  Nothing to worry about.
<aeolist> dont worry, just panic
<eyequeue> aeolist:  lol, 42
<sonojacker> haha
<sonojacker> the only panic should take me because of VIA!! not because of a kernel problem I mean.
<turf> guys where can i edit my lan?
<turf> i cant find the path of my eth
<eyequeue> turf look at /etc/network/interfaces
<turf> eyequeue:got it thanks!
<eyequeue> np
<toromei> hello
<toromei> i was wondering if someone could help me with my little problem...
<toromei> i installed ubuntu, and now my computer is stuck in an infinite reboot loop :S
<aeolist> how come?
<eyequeue> how far does it get before looping?
<toromei> no idea... it said it was going to reboot and complete the install, but...
<eyequeue> hmm, something obviously got messed
<eyequeue> if it was me, i'd start over and see if it happened the next time
<eyequeue> but it's possible the kernel has some problem with your hardware
<toromei> ram, drives, raid, and then lists hardware info and says something but it resets too fast for me to read it
<eyequeue> though i would think it would have happened with the installer kernel too
<toromei> 'stage 1.5' is the last bit of text that shows up
<aeolist> poor grub installation?
<eyequeue> okay, that sounds like grub
<eyequeue> yeah
<toromei> yeah, it does say grus
<toromei> er, grub
<eyequeue> GRand Unified Bootloader btw
<toromei> it said that i should install it to the mbr, but that appears to be not such a good thing in this case
<aeolist> if i were you, i would use my vast windows experience: format/reinstall
<toromei> lol
<toromei> well, i was trying to dual boot
<eyequeue> lol, that's what i'd do too, but i wouldn't call it the same, heheh
<aeolist> well
<aeolist> in order to dual boot
<aeolist> first install windows
<aeolist> then ubuntu (and do let it use the mbr)
<eyequeue> don't erase your ms partition
<toromei> does it mater that im running off of a raid sontroller?
<aeolist> grub automatically detects windows
<eyequeue> but do erase the ubuntu and swap partitions
<toromei> yeah, xp is already installed
<eyequeue> raid
<aeolist> and then make a grub boot disk through ubuntu, in case windows decides to clean your mbr
<aeolist> that is not the best of ways, but it works
<eyequeue> yeah, there's a strong possibility that is the cause
<aeolist> and it's easy
<eyequeue> though i know nothing about raid to help you
<toromei> ive never had trouble with it before, but maybe ubuntu doesnt have the proper driver for the controller
<Fackamato> woah
<Fackamato> the composite extension is NICE
<IrcUsr> what happens with xorg DRI modules between kernel upgrades?
<eyequeue> toromei:  if no one has a more concrete solution, i'd do a search for raid at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
<aeolist> it's hardware raid right?
<toromei> is there a way for me to repair the mbr with the install cd?
<toromei> yes
<aeolist> then
<aeolist> you can press f1 f2 etc
<aeolist> in the first installation thingy
<aeolist> let me see if it mentions raid
<aeolist> you are in luck, i am was just about to install ubuntu on the second pc
<turf> eyequeue: what is the equivalent command of service network restart in ubuntu?
<aeolist> nope
<aeolist> nothing there
<IrcUsr> is there anything in debian that is _not_ in ubuntu?
<eyequeue> turf:  since i odn't know that command, i'm not sure.  what should it accomplish?
<eyequeue> turf:  oh nm, i got it in context of what you asked before:  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
<eyequeue> IrcUsr:  yes and no
<Thom_Holwerda> does anybode know if there is a solution to te "no damage extension" bug when using ati drivers with xcompmgr?
<eyequeue> IrcUsr:  official ubuntu comtains less, but if you add extra repositories your probably about the same
<turf> eyequeue: i edit interface and want to make that change work
<IrcUsr> eyequeue: OK, so the base OS is much the same with the desktop bolted on?
<eyequeue> turf:  for eth0?
<turf> eyequeue: yes
<eyequeue> turf:  i would just do this: sudo ifdown eth0 (which will probably say it wasn't up) then sudo ifup eth0
<jkp> hello all -
<jkp> do any of you have experience using SVN or a VCS to manage a whole OS distro?
<eyequeue> IrcUsr:  with specific exceptions of course, yes, ubuntu is based on debian, so very similar in many ways
<sabmoc> Im having trouble with the 5.04 preview, after my first update and restart X.org will not restart.
<toromei> i found some stuff on raid, but as im a linux newbie, its rather obtuse for me
<aeolist> what kind of trouble sabmoc?
<turf> eyequeue: got it, another question where do i edit gateway i'll be using?
<jkp> if so, i would love to hear how its done - what kind of things i need to look into , how permissions are handled by the repo for example
<jkp> and many other questions
<sabmoc> aeolist: the X.org server will not run after I restart it.
<eyequeue> turf:  the gw setting in ifconfig?  you can add "gateway" line in the eth0 stanza of that file, iirc
<aeolist> what error message does it return?
<eyequeue> turf:  type "man 5 interfaces" to get the exact syntax
<sabmoc> aeolist: it claims not to be able to find GLcore or something like that.
<turf> eyequeue:ok
<sabmoc> aeolist: Im on an athalon thunderbird with an nvidia geforce card
<aeolist> yeah
<aeolist> xm
<kalis> Damn xcompmgr and Nvidia really dont work well together switching workspaces ;)
<sabmoc> aeolist: do you think it would help if I try to install the nvidia drivers? so far I have just been using the nv driver and it has been borking on me.
<aeolist> xm xm
<sabmoc> xm?
<aeolist> you should try to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<sabmoc> ah
<aeolist> xm =hm = thinking (i do dat from time to time)
<sabmoc> heh
<sabmoc> sec
<toromei> how can i make device mapper setup raid devices for boot?
<sabmoc> another weird thing, when I restart and X.org bunks up, it flashs a few times and then an ncurses display pops up asking if i want to see the errors, but even the ncurses display is really messed up.
<toromei> or...i probably cant, because itd have to boot off of that drive...
<sabmoc> lots of weird characters all over the place
<aeolist> sabmoc, what have you done?
<kalis> sabmoc: I am using the nvidia drivers, and it really dont work well with rdesktop windows. But unless you use a lot of rdesktop connections, i think its a good idea to use it instead of the nv driver.
<aeolist> O_o
<sabmoc> the funny part is, earlier today, the first time I installed, it worked fine
<kalis> sabmoc: It screwed up the xorg.conf file. Set defaultdepth to 24 instead of 1
<kalis> it did the same for me with todays update.
<sabmoc> kalis: excelent
<sabmoc> kalis: thats actually good news
<aeolist> yeah, that should do the trick
<sabmoc> kalis: did you install the nvidia driver just with something like `sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx; sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings; sudo nvidia-glx-config enable;` ?
<sabmoc> whats the best way to install them?
<kalis> on the command line it would have looked something like that ;) i used synaptic and ubuntu-upate for it. And then added nvidia to /etc/modules and nvidia in xorg.conf
<sabmoc> ok, ill try it with synaptic
<kalis> sabmoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia/view?searchterm=nvidia
<kalis> thats a good thing to know also...
<sabmoc> hmm
<sabmoc> ok, if this doesnt work I think i'll reinstall and try that
<sabmoc> I wish people would put dates on there wiki shit, I really have no idea when that was written.
<sabmoc> or by whom
<schasi> Jup would be cool
<sabmoc> who(?)
<schasi> whom was right
<sabmoc> thanks
<sabmoc> uh, in my synaptic summary it shows three packages will be unchanged, linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386 ubuntu-desktop  ..are those important, or could they be realated to xorg being unhappy?
<sabmoc> I take it those are the kernel image and modules.
<kanga> hello
<kanga> need help please
<sabmoc> whats wrong kanga?
<dwa_> ask away kanga
<sabmoc> where is the xorg config file located and what is it called, Im only used to xfree86 still
<kanga> ive got cd live tried to load from cd boots into dos like A:/
<kanga> then what do u do ?
<dwa_> sabmoc : /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<sabmoc> dwa_: thank you
<sabmoc> that makes a lot of sence
<dwa_> kanga is this your first try with linux?
<kanga> yep
<sabmoc> wow
<sabmoc> welcome to the club :)
<kanga> i tjought it would boot straight from cd
<kanga> and tahnk you
<schasi> It should normally
<kanga> can i get step by step instructions somewhere?
<toromei> how do i put the bootloader on a floppy?
<toromei> dev/?
<kanga> ps i dont have a floppy
<aeolist> there is a howto
<sabmoc> kanga: I thought the live cd's are only ment to live in memory, it sounds like you are trying to install something. Are you trying to install with a live cd?
<kanga> where is that please
<kanga> was told to change boot device to cd and then start pc and linux would but fron there
<aeolist> i meant
<kanga> boot
<aeolist> toromei: there is a how to for that
<aeolist> kanga, it should boot after you make a couple of choices
<MyNameIsChris> For some reason Ubuntu has difficulty getting audio of a cd, cdparanoia. For example, cdparanoia creates a terrible wav even at 1X. My drive has worked fine in other distros
<aeolist> what's your problem exactly?
<MyNameIsChris> Everyone knows what I meant to type
<MyNameIsChris> Multiple output errors in cd paranoia resulting in lousy rips. DVD audio is also awful as if playback
<kanga> ive got cd live tried to load from cd boots into dos like A:/
<kanga> then what do i do
<iRob> i'm getting 7700KB/sec FTP download speeds from a direct connected FTP machine running a full-duplex gigabit ethernet both ends.  Does this seem right speed or are there some things I should be tweaking?
<sabmoc> iRob: sounds good to me
<[Rain] > im confused why my wireless usb adapter works with ndiswrapper even though ndiswrapper -l says "hardware not present"
<iRob> sabmoc: really?  cool...
<kanga> aeolist:
<scizzo> morning
<sabmoc> iRob: yeah well 7mb/ps is pretty fast I think
<sabmoc> i dont know..
<aeolist> yes kanga
<[Rain] > network speed is limited by the speed of the harddrive/cpu
<kanga> d/l and burnt to cdrw is that possibly the problem?
<aeolist> no
<aeolist> look
<sabmoc> no kanga
<aeolist> you dl and burn the live thinkgy
<aeolist> go to bios, first boot device = cdrom
<kanga> yes as iso with nero
<kanga> ok did that
<aeolist> restart the puter with the live cd in
<aeolist> ubuntu will ask a couple of things
<aeolist> and ta-da
<kanga> did that and booted to dos
<kanga> candera-dos and the A:/
<sabmoc> kanga: what he is trying to say... maybe the disk is not booting because your computer BIOS is not set up properly.
<kanga> has worked wit couple of reformats
<sabmoc> kanga: check your computer BIOS and make sure that CDROM is the first boot, understand?
<kanga> yes ive got that
<kanga> it boots into dos from there
<DeadZed> what command I use for checking part size and space left ??
<kanga> loike this A;/
<sabmoc> no, this is linux, there is not dos.
<scizzo> kanga: make sure that you don't have a floppy inside also
<kanga> dont have a floppy drive
<sabmoc> kanga: can you show me the link where you found the live cd from?
<sabmoc> show me the webpage
<DeadZed>  what command I use for checking part size and space left ??
<kanga> i think www,ubuntulinux.org
<kanga> mirror in ireland heanet
<sabmoc> DeadZed: df -h
<DeadZed> :)
<DeadZed> nice
<sabmoc> but which file, maybe you downloaded the wrong arch
<kanga> file is called warty-release-live-i386.iso
<DeadZed> sabmoc did you know that off of your head or you looked it up
<sabmoc> hmm
<sabmoc> DeadZed: I remember that one
<kanga> sabmoc: is that the right one?
<aeolist> deadzed, it's really common
<sabmoc> kanga: almost, one moment
<jamin_l> hey guys
<[Rain] > take the cd out of your computer, and kick it across the room, then you booted it
<kanga> aeolist where id\s that how to
<kanga> oops is
<sabmoc> kanga: are you trying to install linux, or do you just want to use a live disk to see what it looks like?
<kanga> use live disc please
<jamin_l> i'm getting random system freezes with Hoary. Posted /var/log/syslog to http://members.shaw.ca/c_nikkel/syslog.txt if anyone can assist
<sabmoc> kanga: then I think you are out of luck.
<kanga> why swabmoc?
<kanga> sabmoc
<DeadZed> jamin_l I've noticed A LOT of bugs in Hoary :(
<sabmoc> kanga: you have the correct disk, and all you should have to do is put in cdrom, and boot and BOOM, linux.
<jamin_l> DeadZed, what problems have you encountered?
<DeadZed> uhhh
<sabmoc> kanga: perhaps the disk image is corrupt. have you tried to download the file again and burn a new disk?
<kanga> could the burning have gone wrong i can see all the files on the disc via windows
<sabmoc> kanga: that is good, if you can see the files that means you burned it properly.
<kanga> so back to bios settings the
<scizzo> jamin_l: ummm...how does the harddrive feel_
<scizzo> ?
<jamin_l> feel?
<kanga> ill ate all boot devices to cd then
<DeadZed> jamin_l Totem, Synaptic crash, hotplug makes ubuntu freeze, ubuntu freezes with no reason etc
<sabmoc> kanga: yes, double check your bios, cdrom must be the first boot device.
<kanga> can it also be 2 and 3
<scizzo> DeadZed: Totem and Synaptic?
<sabmoc> kanga: and if that does not work then make a new disk
<DeadZed> jamin_l other than that ubuntu seems to be on the right track :)
<Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone have any idea why kdesu and gksu don't work under ubuntu (hoary, up-to-date)?  I can su without troubles, but kdesu and gksu never accept my root password.
<scizzo> DeadZed: I have no problem with them here
<DeadZed> dunno then
<DeadZed> I had
<DeadZed> Synaptic didnt work at all .. been using apt-get
<jamin_l> scizzo, I'm not sure what you mean by: "how does the harddrive feel"
<sabmoc> kanga: no, cdrom should be #1, and harddrive should be #2, nothing else matters.
<sabmoc> it feels sexy
<[Rain] > i hope hoary is more friendly with detecting/drivers for my hardware
<scizzo> Mar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 1173752
<scizzo> Mar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: hda: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
<[Rain] > put cd rom and nothing else, just for testing sake
<scizzo> Mar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: hda: command error: error=0x54
<scizzo> Mar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100
<scizzo> etc
<scizzo> doesn't seem happy enough
<kanga> thanks for your help guys see u later
<jamin_l> well when we installed it we gave it coordinates for Heads, sectors, cylinders
<sabmoc> bye kanga hope you figure it out
<kanga> cheers
<jamin_l> i know that's 16,63,158816
<scizzo> jamin_l: hmmm
<sabmoc> now who is going to help me fix my problem :(
<Quinn_Storm> any thoughts on my gksu/kdesu problem?
<jamin_l> we have this as a double-boot machine with Windows
<scizzo> jamin_l: eek...you resized the disk?
<scizzo> jamin_l: partition I mean?
<jamin_l> only with the Ubuntu install
<jamin_l> when it asks to partition space
<scizzo> jamin_l: I mean did you take space from a partition that already has a filesystem?
<jamin_l> no
<scizzo> ok
<scizzo> just askin
<scizzo> :)
<jamin_l> i did a full install at the beginning
<jamin_l> set aside space for Windows
<sabmoc> is it still necessary to place nvidia on the /etc/modules file?
<jamin_l> then left the remaining space for Ubuntu and all the partitions it likes
<sabmoc> jamin_l: partitions are a waste, just make 3 partitions, / /swap and my personal favorite /backup
<DeadZed> Has anyone tried Win4Lin on Ubuntu (or Debian generally) , ... what does it entail to install it? How big is it ? does it run fine?
<jamin_l> sabmoc, yes that's what i meant
<scizzo> sabmoc: why not 4 ? /home also?
<jamin_l> i believe ours is /, /swap, /home
<sabmoc> scizzo: whats the point? just use /backup
<Quinn_Storm> anyone heard anything about why kdesu and gksu and such don't work?  su works fine...
<scizzo> sabmoc: just format the / and /swap and home will still be ther
<sabmoc> that way you can have as much in your home dir as you want, fill the whole disk with mp3 and movies in your home dir.
<sabmoc> scizzo: use /backup when you format /
<[Rain] > how well does ubuntu perform without a swap?
<kain> other xorg upgrade on hoary
<kain> 6.8.2-5.1
<scizzo> sabmoc: no thanks...I want to restrict the use of /home a little
<jamin_l> [Rain] , I think it requires /swap
<jamin_l> at least a 500MB that is
<sabmoc> scizzo: well it works for me, i just compress stuff, put in on /backup then reformat root and all is well.
<[Rain] > in the ubuntu installer it says a swap is optional
<sabmoc> scizzo: im only on a single user system so I dont need to do that
<jamin_l> I think you usually need/want a /swap
<sabmoc> jamin_l: if you have 2gb or more of ram you dont need swap
<jamin_l> scizzo, any other ideas with the random system freezes?
<sabmoc> jamin_l: but then again, it all depends what you do with it. If its a maya workstation then yeah, you need swap. haha
<scizzo> jamin_l: sorry....I am not sure...
<sabmoc> jamin_l: is this a workstation or laptop
<jamin_l> left a message on ubuntuforums too so hopefully i'll get something there.... and it's a desktop...
<sabmoc> jamin_l: new or old?
<jamin_l> relatively new, but not bleeding edge
<DeadZed> sabmoc what were you telling earlier .. that it's possible to re-install linux without touching /home ?
<jamin_l> Athlon XP 1800+, 1.5GHz
<sabmoc> jamin_l: have you tried disabling apci ?
<jamin_l> got 768MB RAM
<jamin_l> what is APCI & how is it disabled
<sabmoc> DeadZed: yes, thats a strategy some find very useful
<DeadZed> I thought all Os-s overwrite everything if you do re-install
<slept> I used to use modconf wit debian, is there something similar in ubunt ?
<scizzo> DeadZed: not really
<scizzo> DeadZed: depends on how you set things up
<sabmoc> slept: i think modconf is the same on all distros, I could be wrong
<DeadZed> Some linuxes give option to keep /home I think but not all
<scizzo> DeadZed: for example sabmoc copies the /home/user to /backup and compress it to that dir....copies it back into place when new install is done
<slept> can't find it with apt :-(
<scizzo> DeadZed: as for me...I create a 4 gig partition that is /home and have it as a seperate partition all the time...
<jnoon> can someone tell me how to start a gdesklet or whatever these things are? i downloaded it, ran the Install_...bin, but I dont know what im supposed to do from here. probably a real dumb question
<sabmoc> jamin_l: I cant remember the boot parameter, but its something like `linux apci=false`
<jamin_l> sabmoc, are you meaning ACPI? or APCI?
<sabmoc> slept: I think its possible named something like kernel-utils, not sure
<scizzo> DeadZed: when install tells you what you want to do with the partitions just tell it to leave the /home partition alone and do the rest
<DeadZed> some give that option yes
<sabmoc> jamin_l: yes power control, sorry got the abreviation wrong :(
<scizzo> DeadZed: you can do it with most systems
<DeadZed> does ubuntu haev option of not touching /home
<scizzo> DeadZed: yes
<selinium_> HELP! i just installed the 3D Desktop via Symantic, and now my system wont boot.
<DeadZed> :)
<sabmoc> DeadZed: only if you make /home a partition
<DeadZed> ehh
<DeadZed> its not a separate part
<jamin_l> ok thanks for the info guys...
<sabmoc> DeadZed: then it wont work
<Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone have any idea why kdesu and gksu don't work under ubuntu (hoary, up-to-date)?  I can su without troubles, but kdesu and gksu never accept my root password.
<jamin_l> i'm gonna head to bed... almost 2 am here
<njan> Quinn_Storm, because ubuntu doesn't have a root user
<DeadZed> I think Xandros give you oprtion of not touching /home when you reinstall
<scizzo> DeadZed: if it is part of / then no it won't leave it alone
<njan> Quinn_Storm, you want gkduso
<njan> Quinn_Storm, *gksudo
<Quinn_Storm> njan: mine -does- have a root user
<scizzo> DeadZed: like I said before creating a partition will help with that
<Quinn_Storm> njan: I can su without trouble, entering my root password and such
<scizzo> DeadZed: that is because it is its own partition
<njan> Quinn_Storm, then you've got a hacked ubuntu which people in here won't be able to adequately support for you, because it's not a standard ubuntu system :)
<scizzo> /dev/hda4             6,5G  2,2G  4,0G  35% /home
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: no idea, sorry. ubuntu uses sudo more frequently than su so maybe it has something to do with that.
<scizzo> for example
<Quinn_Storm> njan: I did no hacking, just installed from the hoary cd
<[Rain] > im going to try the hoary preview with no swap, and monitor the usage of it
<Quinn_Storm> sabmoc: I've gone over the docs, and root is unlocked and such, and I can't find anything in /etc/pam.d that seems wrong...
<DeadZed> Quinn_Storm Whats the difference between su, sudo and all those others
<Quinn_Storm> DeadZed: sudo lets you run something as root by entering your password, su lets you switch user to root by entering the root password...essentially.  it is more complicated than that but that's a basic overview
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: well I just installed ubuntu today so Im really clueless when it comes to the distro quirks, but maybe kde just hasnt got the bugs worked out yet, I think they just started adding it a little while ago.
<sabmoc> i could be wrong, but I think ubuntu was gnome only until only a few weeks ago
<Quinn_Storm> sabmoc: unfortunately its not a kde bug, gksu doesn't work either
<sabmoc> yeah..
<scizzo> DeadZed: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.2
<scizzo> DeadZed: that is actually a good explanation of how to use partition tables
<Riddell> Quinn_Storm: tried entering your user password into kdesu?
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: have you tried just using `su`?
<scizzo> DeadZed: you can restrict access with sudo also....
<slept> Quinn_Storm: What do you need it for ? You can use a xterm and then start things with sudo.
<selinium_> Can anyone help, i just installed 3D desktop via Synaptic and now my PC wont boot fully, saying cannot start X. Is there a way I can just uninstall 3D desktop?
<membreya> hey there guys, whats the easiest way to find out what port a webpage is being served on ?
<selinium_> I can get a command prompt.
<Quinn_Storm> Riddell: yes I have, doesn't work
<Quinn_Storm> slept: kcontrol modules that want to run as root, for example
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: but you can log in with root? thats strange
<scizzo> DeadZed: if you have a person login in to the system you can tell that person to have sudo rights instead of giving a root password to do some of the stuff on the machine...for example you brother or something wants to run apt-get update or something...then you can tell sudo that $user has right to apt-get update but nothing else
<Quinn_Storm> besides I'm not in /etc/sudoers anyway (again I stress I didn't do anything strange to this install, just installed from the hoary CD)
<Quinn_Storm> sabmoc: yes I can log in with root, and su to root
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: so.. you can `su` to root, you can open an app with `sudo` but you cant open an app with `gksu` when you give the root password. Does it give any errors?
<Quinn_Storm> sabmoc: I can't open anything with `sudo` b/c I'm not in /etc/sudoers
<sabmoc> guh?
<Quinn_Storm> sabmoc: I'm not in sudoers, I can't sudo...and apparently its a kde problem...either that or they fixed gksu when I wasn't looking...last time I tried it it wouldn't work, but it works now, just tried it to make sure
<scizzo> Quinn_Storm: visudo
<membreya> hey there guys, whats the easiest way to find out what port a webpage is being served on ?
<Quinn_Storm> scizzo: I don't -WANT- to be in my /etc/sudoers, I want to use su
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: your not supposed to in sudoers, only root is.
<Quinn_Storm> sabmoc: point is, sudo doesn't work for any regular user on this system and thats the way I want it
<membreya> or can say secure webpages ONLY be served from port 443?
<sabmoc> membreya: i thought secure pages are supposed to port 81
* scizzo does not understand what is wrong with sudo?
<scizzo> I don't get it why people are complaining about it...
<membreya> 81/443
<membreya> ms standard for https AFAIK is 443
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: ok, here is how sudo works, if you know this you can slap me. `sudo gedit`
<sabmoc> THEN
<sabmoc> you enter the USERS password, NOT root
<sabmoc> am i going to be slaped?
<[Rain] > there is no root account alltogether correct?
<sabmoc> there is root
<scizzo> sabmoc: he seems to know how sudo work...he wants to use su
* Quinn_Storm slaps sabmoc
<sabmoc> ouch :)
<scizzo> sabmoc: changing everything to su instead of sudo
<sabmoc> well it was the only thing i could think of
<MorphDK> how do I get framebuffer? i'm running Kubuntu
<scizzo> still I don't understand why people are complaining about sudo
<membreya> sabmoc: for example the page I wanted to find out info on ...WAS on port 443 :)
<sabmoc> stupid sudo!!
<scizzo> if people would put some time to learn how sudo works....then maybe you would understand why it is good
<sabmoc> membreya: google for ports and find whats supposed to be on port 443
<Myrtti> sudo is good, sudo is lovely
<Quinn_Storm> scizzo: I know how sudo works, and in my situation its bad, its easier for someone to crack my user password than my root password, and I want my user password to only compromise my user
<Myrtti> no root passwords to hack
<Tomcat_> Quinn_Storm: If you need root, maybe sudo passwd will help? o_O
* sabmoc wants to have sudo's baby
* sabmoc hopes it is a boy
* sabmoc is tired
<Quinn_Storm> Tomcat_: my root account is already enabled, gksu and su work, kdesu doesn't
<membreya> sabmoc: http://grc.com/port_443.htm :)
<scizzo> Quinn_Storm: if they are well in the system....then they will have access anyway...trust me
<Myrtti> add on top, no stupid user logs in in GDM and fucks the whole system by installing everything there
<Myrtti> I've done it a million times
<Myrtti> and wondered why my stuff didn't work
<sabmoc> everthing everywhere? surely you exaggerate!
<selinium_> Hi all , i have just installed 3D Desktop on Ubuntu via Synaptic. Now my PC fails during boot with failed to start X. Is there a way i can uninstall 3D desktop and get my machine working again? :)
<sabmoc> you people are so distracting, i have work to do
<Myrtti> nobody told me that logging in as root in GDM and installing stuff there was a bad thing
<membreya> when doing a command from a terminal, such as wget..how would I capture it's output ?
<Myrtti> my SO told me to RTFM
<Myrtti> \o/ men are excellent tech helps
<Myrtti> ... not
<scizzo> Myrtti: so pretty much you did a sudo passwd root ?
<membreya> you learnt didn't you Myrtti ?
<Myrtti> membreya: only at the third time
<scizzo> Myrtti: logged in as root and started to use root as a normal user?
<membreya> oh yay, another 50Mb of updates :D
<ssam> sudo apt-get remove 3ddesktop
<selinium_> Myrtti: Are you just here to slag of men?
<Myrtti> no, I just installed stuff there
<sabmoc> ok, im going to reboot, if I dont come back it means that my system is screwed and none of you are any help and i hate you all.. if I come back please ignore this comment.
<Myrtti> and tried to use as normal user
<ompaul> sabmoc, okay
<selinium_> sabmoc: LOL
<slept> selinium_ : boot single user mode (without x)
<Myrtti> selinium_: no.
<selinium_> slept: Ok, how? (newbie) :)
<lunitik> slept: instead of that... tell ubuntu users to boot into 'rescue mode'  ;)
<Myrtti> I'm sure there are good men who can do customer service and good men that don't answer to every idiotic question by RTFM
<Myrtti> this channel is a good example
<lunitik> selinium_: when the boot prompt asks... hit ESC... choose 'rescue'
* kain is away: prot
<membreya> Myrtti: I do internet banking support :P
<ompaul> membreya, ahh yeah but, the internet is broken and it is all your fault
<lunitik> slept: ps, there is a huge difference between single user... and not having X start...
<selinium_> lunitik: I can boot in rescue mode, but this just brings me to a prompt. Being pretty new to linux and without a nice gui i'm lost. What do i do?
<Myrtti> but if every customer care person treats customers as idiots and not worth their most precious time and help, then they need their attitudes fixed and start to think of better career planning
<lunitik> selinium_: I wasn't following along... what are you trying to do?
<lunitik> Myrtti: saying RTFM is actually giving a decent amount of respect... it assumes you are capable of understanding...
<selinium_> lunitik: i have just installed 3D Desktop on Ubuntu via Synaptic. Now my PC fails during boot with failed to start X. Is there a way i can uninstall 3D desktop and get my machine working again? :)
<membreya> lunitik: ..it's teaching them to find the answer :)
<lunitik> Myrtti: I guide people through such things because I don't think they will grasp a manual
<slept> selinum_ : log in and then sudo apt-get remove 3D...
<munki> selinium_: boot into rescue mode? and apt-get remove 3d.. ?
<lunitik> selinium_: bah... go to rescue mode... dpkg -P 3ddesktop ... restart
<Myrtti> lunitik: I've noticed that most helps, manpages and guides are written in such a way, that about half of the stuff is too hard to understand
<dwa_> ha jan
<lunitik> munki: remove doesn't get rid of everything... leaves things a mess
<membreya> when doing a command from a terminal, such as wget..how would I capture it's output ?
<Myrtti> especially, if written in non-native language
<munki> selinium_: and If you really wan't to use Linux, then your really got to know your bash
<sabmoc> i win
<sabmoc> woOt!
* lunitik ignores sabmoc statement
<sabmoc> lunitik: haha
<slept> membreya: you can | it into other programs or > it into a file
<munki> lunitik : it removes those packages you have got with apt-get, and also the user folders
<sabmoc> now that I have conquered ubuntu, i must go conquer my bed. goodnight folks.
<selinium_> munki: I do need to get a book, but I also have a missed deadline! l promise to get some practise in after that!
<Myrtti> and the most frustrating part is that you get a RTFM to a simple question, like "how do you install software to this Linux system" and the person surely knows the answer and knows the answer is simple, just answers RTFM
<lunitik> munki: it gets rid of no config files etc though... apt-get remove --purge would even be better...
<lunitik> munki: and I do not believe it removes user files... but I can't be asked to go check
<munki> selinium_: Ya ya :) it's your own problem, just an advice from me
<munki> lunitik: it does here.. so .. no problem
<lunitik> munki: garentee it doesn't... but whatever
<slept> is there a document containing the differences to debian ?
<lunitik> munki: go install kde... run it... remove it... ls ~/.kde
<ompaul> membreya, some programs where you get high volume output and you want to capture it at the same time can be run as follows: sudo tcpdump -l | tee > some logfile
<munki> lunitik: no i won't .. why are you hangin' on me.. Was just helping the poor guy
<ompaul> membreya, meant to say run and see output at the same time
<munki> lunitik: get off my shoulder
<selinium_> munki: I have only just discovered linux, I wish i had discovered it 10 years ago, now i have wasted all that time learning windows junk!
<lunitik> munki: because I dislike incorrect answers... because I get harped about them enough to not let it slide for others.
<munki> lunitik: it's not an incorrect answer, it will get him to boot again
<lunitik> selinium_: you really don't wish you found it 10 years ago though... 10 years ago... you'd never have gotten it installed... and we were stuck with TWM
<ompaul> selinium_, you can repent at the alter of gnu :)
<membreya> ompaul: I tried doing a > to a file name and it gave me a 0 byte file :|
<Myrtti> lunitik: not even that far
<munki> ompaul : lol ! ^^
<selinium_> munki && lunitik: No worries, I will 'dpkg -P 3ddesktop' i can let you know what is left if you want?
<lunitik> selinium_: 3ddesktop adds things to your home?
<munki> selinium_ don't have to.. dpkg -P removes the most..
<selinium_> lunitik: If i had founf it 10 years ago, i would be pretty good a bash by now!
<Myrtti> I managed to f**k everything up just two years ago, with the lack of decent hardware detection and the impossibility of configuring X on some distros
<slept> does this channel have bots (apt), or do the bots belog to the server
<lunitik> slept: no.. the ops don't like them I think
<selinium_> lunitik: sorry 'sudo dpkg ...' yes?
<lunitik> slept: ChanServ belongs to the server..
<lunitik> selinium_: doesn't matter... rescue mode is root only
<selinium_> lunitik: of course
* selinium_ flails his own back
<jacques_> hey guys, how is the hoary beta doing? is an update a good idea at this stage?
<lunitik> selinium_: seems like somewhat of a security flaw to me... local exploits are way too easy in Ubuntu without a grub password.
<slept> what are ops ?
<lunitik> slept: people in charge
<Zotnix> People who have the power.
<ssam> array cd 7 should have been out yesterday
<ssam> if something is holding it back then an upgrade is not a good idea
<membreya> ssam: that would explain the 100Mb+ of updates I've had in the last 2 days :)
<ssam> they might be waiting for something critical to be fixed
<lunitik> membreya: eh... array cd's are just daily's that happen to come out the day the schedule says there is supposed to be an array
<ssam> but then software is rarely on thime
<selinium_> lunitik && munki : Hopefully I will be back in 5. Wish me luck! Otherwise I'll be back in 10 (It takes about that long for windows to boot!)  and thank you for all your help!
<membreya> english lunitik :P
<munki> np :) good luck..
<ssam> they say array cds should be free of show stoppers
<lunitik> membreya: pretty sure it was?
<membreya> paraphrasing here lunitik but ...array cd's are released as a daily update the day that the schedule states a new array is due?
<lunitik> membreya: basically, there is nothing special that goes into an Array CD ... they are just Daily snapshots that happen to fall on a day that an array is due
<flawd> Hi. I'm contemplating switching to Ubuntu. Some questions: 1) Is it possible to upgrade the system when a new ubuntu version is released over the net or do I have to download the isos? 2) Is there or will there be i686 optimation?
<lunitik> membreya: yes
<ompaul> membreya, programname options | tee foolog   <<< that works sorry I think I left my brain in bed
<Myrtti> flawd: 1) yes, can be upgraded on net without isos
<membreya> flawd: yes there is already i686 opts..and you can dist-upgrade it to upgrade to a new release :)
<slept> looking for something like modconf or modconf itself or is there a reason for not having modconf in ubuntu ?
<ssam> but for example if there was a  bad kernel, then i think they would hold back the array cd for a day or two to fix it, more people test arrays than nightlies
<flawd> membreya, Is this somehting that will be continually grow?
<flawd> medwards_, I mean is it a future goal to provide much more i686 optimated packages?
<slept> flawd: just replace  warthy with hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
<lunitik> membreya: so... http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/  <-- these are better to download, provided the report.html doesn't say something is b0rked on your arch...
<flawd> membreya, I meant you and not medwards_ sorry
<flawd> slept, ty
<flawd> Myrtti, ty
<Myrtti> flawd: np
<jacques_> does an upgrade complete without messing anything up? who's tried it?
<membreya> ompaul..still no good..bugger it, I will just drag and select all the text and copy it by hand :P
<lunitik> jacques_: yes
<Myrtti> jacques_: _o/
<lunitik> Myrtti: cuteness
<slept> jacques_: worked fine
<jacques_> what about shadows in x.org in combination with nvidia-opengl ?
<Myrtti> every named release is a stable, frozen state of certain software development stage
<membreya> jacques_: mouse shadows?
<lunitik> jacques_: there is a doc on the forums that tells how to enable that...
<Myrtti> upgrading is just upgrading
<jacques_> no, the xorg org window shadows..
<Myrtti> sure there can be problems, but usually no
<lunitik> membreya: no... stuff with composite
<jacques_> exactly
<Myrtti> especially since the official release of hoary as stable is so close by.
<flawd> Would it be correct to describe Ubuntu as an "out of the box" desktop version of Debian? Isn't it the equivalent of let's say Mandrake but with the stability and structure of Debian?
<membreya> Myrtti: ...and then it's grumpy :D
<ssam> quick look in the dev forum, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20412 , could that not hold back an array
<ompaul> membreya, what program are you using?
<membreya> ompaul: wget
<Myrtti> membreya: I actually think I'll freeze my upgrading until 2 mnths before grumpy release
<Myrtti> let the software mature a bit more
<lunitik> flawd: its basically Sid with bug fixes and xorg...
<jacques_> is the bootprocess faster in hoary ? should be i guess
<membreya> awwww where's your spirit of adventure Myrtti ?
<lunitik> jacques_: yes... there was work on that ...
* flawd nods to lunitik 
<ssam> there are shadow instructions in the wiki search for dropshadows
<Myrtti> membreya: I'm looking in to the future and foresee that after hoary release I have better things to do than beta testing
<lunitik> flawd: actually... Sid doesn't have Gnome 2.10 yet either..
<flawd> lunitik, Do you think the i696 optimized debs will grow? Do you know if this is a goal of Ubuntu?
<lunitik> flawd: or the 'update-notification' and 'update-manager'  packages
<flawd> lunitik, icewm here heh
<flawd> need to save juice
<membreya> flawd: if you can't find a package..compile it yourself...
<lunitik> flawd: right now... its just libc-686 that is providing binary optimizations
<membreya> tho that seems impossible with flash / realplayer on amd64 >:(
<flawd> membreya, It is possible to compile all packs from  a -src deb?
<Myrtti> flawd: if the hardware is coming more used, then optimized packets are more on demand and so the amount of them too
<spacey> flawd, just download the src debs and rebuild them
<spacey> very easy
<Myrtti> as always, it's only about the demand
<lunitik> flawd: sure... they are provided just like in Debian... via deb-src listings in sources.list
<flawd> I am asking as the choice is between arch and ubuntu as it is now
<flawd> lunitik, it was ages ago I tried debian so I did not recall
<spacey> apt-get source <packagename>
<flawd> spacey, that is neat.
<spacey> to download it i think
<lunitik> flawd: Ubuntu has a better packaging policy... any joe shmoe can build a package and upload for arch... often things are broken
<flawd> yeah I liked apt when I used it
<lunitik> flawd: not even related to what I meant, but ok
<flawd> I actually switched to libranet before turning to mandrake out of laziness. I never wanted to abandon Debian really as Im a GNU/FSF minded person
<ompaul> membreya, what is the command you are issuing?
<lunitik> flawd: there are actually steps involved in being certified to maintain a package in Debian... for arch, nothing...
<membreya> ompaul: wget :P
<flawd> Ubuntu seems to give me a good desktop while still being in Debian world... I think I'm going to try it
<Myrtti> flawd: that is an excellent reason
<ompaul> wget what?
<flawd> lunitik, :)
<membreya> flawd: I highly recommend downloading the ubuntu-calendar package :D
<ompaul> fake the url ifyou have to
<Myrtti> I use Ubuntu for the very same reason
<Myrtti> membreya: where are the dudes?
<flawd> membreya, is it a sortof "whats happening in ubuntu world" thingie?
<Myrtti> me want dude pictures
<flawd> heh
<flawd> or just a calendar
<membreya> ompaul: wget https://www.anz.com/wholesale/bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 -d | tee test
<Myrtti> just a wallpaper
<lunitik> flawd: its umm... nude people
<flawd> Myrtti, nod
<Myrtti> with chicks
<cocol> is it possible to install kdm3.4?
<flawd> lunitik, I've heard it's called PORN
<flawd> :)
<lunitik> cocol: yes... its in hoary.
<Myrtti> I want dudes, or chocolate
<membreya> Myrtti: there's a pic with dudes....there's 2 in fact!
<Myrtti> :-o
<ompaul> membreya, okay I have to eat - breakfast is served I will look at it when I get back
<cocol> ok tks
<flawd> thank you guys
<membreya> k k ompaul :)
<flawd> you've been most friendly and helpfull
* flawd tips hat
<lunitik> flawd: nah... its like artistic and stuff... they go out of there way to ensure it doesn't turn any one on   :(
<membreya> flawd: helpful is what the ubuntu community is :)
<Myrtti> yeah, one another good reason to use Ubuntu
<Myrtti> the community *is* helpful
<flawd> lunitik, umm.. yeah... All the movies and pics containing "nude people" I watch is umm...artistic and tasty. *crosses fingers*
* lunitik notes he hates it when there is smoke coming from his ash tray and he can't figure out what butt is responsible   :(
<membreya> lunitik: that's why you have to empty them once in a while :)
<membreya> mmm smokes :D
<Myrtti> lunitik: try a glass jar with lid and put water in it the halfway
<lunitik> membreya: ohh... I knew that  :P
<_axel> nvidia no longer broken?
<Myrtti> that's what my mom does
<flawd> of I go
<flawd> again thanks
<Myrtti> a little hole in the middle to drop the butts in
<lunitik> flawd: good luck  :)
<flawd> thank you
<membreya> i use one of the ashtrays with the pushy down things that seals in the butts :)
<Myrtti> on the lid
<flawd> I will no doubt be back later
<slept> _axel : last night it worked
<lunitik> membreya: such technical terminology  :)
<membreya> shudup :P
<_axel> slept: with ubuntu packages?
* lunitik didn't see the : there for a sec... that sounded wrong
<membreya> Myrtti: ubuntu calendar january & october :)
<membreya> got dudes
* membreya scrubs his eyes clean 
<Myrtti> I'll write that down
<lunitik> 'slept with ubuntu packages'  == bad mental images
<Myrtti> the backlog would lose it by the time I get home
<omniscient> membreya, is that package new?
<membreya> omniscient: ubuntu calendar? considering it has calendars back in october :P
<membreya> Myrtti: naw ...worst case, I will send you the .deb :)
<omniscient> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-calender
<omniscient> :(
<lunitik> omniscient: no... that was the result of that dude bitching that the old wallpapers was unprofessional  :/
<lunitik> s/was/were
<membreya> omniscient: spell is right :P calendar
<omniscient> ah i see :)
<slept> _axel: yes. did you install nvidia glx, and all that things ? If it doesn't work it's easy to compile things yourself ( in debian it was)
<_axel> yeah, i compiled them myself
<Myrtti> membreya: that would be fine too :->
<_axel> but i was wondering if now it'll work with stock ubuntu packages
<slept> _axel: does it work ?
<membreya> what kernel _axel ?
<_axel> 2.6.10-4
<Quinn_Storm> btw for anyone who cares I figured it out, the kubuntu team patched kdesu to use sudo...I enabled sudo for my user, tried that...sudo and kdesu "work" but kdesu doesn't work where I needed it to, that is it won't launch kcontrol applets ("administrator mode" button)
<lunitik> _axel: should be working with that yes
<_axel> yes it IS working
<_axel> ;)
<_axel> but what im asking is, is everything fixed in 2.6.10-5?
<Myrtti> _axel: worked this morning
<membreya> the reserved binaries just don't work in 2.6.11-1 AFAIK
<_axel> i mean will i be able to apt-get nvidia-bla and forget about it? or will i have to recompile nvidia-kernel-source from sid again
<omniscient> ok so what does this calandar thing do :|
<Myrtti> omniscient: it's just a new wallpaper each month
<membreya> Myrtti: ...show some respect "sexy calendars" ..except oct and jan :|
<lunitik> Quinn_Storm: you can run the kcmshell parts individually via kdesu to get around that temporarily...
<omniscient> do i have to set the wallpaper though? my current one hasnt change
<omniscient> d
<lunitik> omniscient: yes
<membreya> omniscient: you may need to browse to /usr/share/backgrounds
<Quinn_Storm> lunitik: what I'll do for now is just run kcontrol as root if I need it
<lunitik> membreya: he just needs to right click the desktop and choose "Change Background"
<membreya> lunitik: mine didn't automatically populate :|
<omniscient> cool
<omniscient> nudiness
<omniscient> nude is always good i guess
<lunitik> membreya: it should have
<membreya> lol
<omniscient> when applied to the right situation
<membreya> lunitik: i know, it did on my previous install before i fried it :|
<Myrtti> I actually have one wallpaper that has a nude woman
<omniscient> i have multiple
<Myrtti> though my SO started to whine about it
<omniscient> so?
<membreya> Myrtti: ..something you're not telling us ? :P
<membreya> significant other
<membreya> omniscient:
<omniscient> ah
<Myrtti> "why can you keep a nude woman on your wallpaper, but whine about if I have one?" :-P
<Myrtti> I said mine is art
<Myrtti> your is sex
<membreya> lol
<membreya> art...sex...same diff
<Myrtti> lemme search that pic for you...
<lunitik> flawd: that was quick
<membreya> wb flawd :P
<membreya> woohoo Myrtti :D
<flawd> I forgot a q; is there a dvd image of Ubuntu or only cd?
<flawd> heh
<lunitik> flawd: yes
<membreya> flawd: ...burn it to a dvd? :P
<flawd> thank you for the wb
<lunitik> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/
<flawd> I'll just stay here while downloading
<flawd> thanks
<lunitik> flawd: ^^
<flawd> (I'll install on the other pc first)
<membreya> flawd: you tend to find there's a group of regulars here :)
<ompaul> membreya, run this >> more bankmain.asp\?AFFID\=01025
<flawd> I have a feeling you'll have one more soon
<membreya> ompaul: im tired, gimme the exact syntax
<flawd> http://www.jesperjacobsson.com is me
<lunitik> flawd: will glad to have ya  :)
<membreya> hmmm what's the diff between the cd and the dvd? :| extra packages? a hell of a lot more
<membreya> or just iso size? :P
<flawd> back to the downloading and reading about ubuntu
<flawd> bbl
<flawd> ty
* lunitik forgot a 'be' in there someplace
<phanter> hello there. I installed ubuntu this week and I am impressed. Good distro (and love the part that it is derived from Debian)
<ompaul> membreya, I ran what you showed me last - the wget command line with url and tee and I then typed that more command
<membreya> aaah :)
<lunitik> membreya: DVD contains all of main... CD contains basically what ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base depend on
<ompaul> more  bankmain.asp\?AFFID\=01025
<membreya> danke ompaul
<membreya> thanks lunitik :)
<phanter> anyway, I would like to use xmms, but when I try to play a mp3 with it it just crashes. Anybody knows why it crashes and what to do about it?
<ompaul> membreya, your command line is foobarred :)
<membreya> bite me ompaul :P I'm an ms dude..takes me a while to learn
<lunitik> phanter: apt-get install xmms-mad
<membreya> after 5 years away from linux, I was surprised I remembered ls
<slept> panther: start it in a terminal, then you can see error messages
<phanter> lunitik: I already did, but that does not solve it... :(
<lunitik> phanter: you restarted XMMS since?
<spacey> membreya, then i'm suprised i still know "dir"
* blight wonders where I might find a svn package for ubuntu?
<lunitik> phanter: nvidia drivers by chance?
<membreya> spacey: dir works in linux :P
<lunitik> blight: check out baz ...
<spacey> membreya, well i aint using it ;p
<phanter> nope ati drivers
<snader> phanter: when you run from console, does it output anything?
<j^> why does gnome-dev depend on libdb3-dev and not on libdb4.2-dev?
<Myrtti> membreya: I think I've shown this picture a million times
<phanter> yes I did restart it and the console does not give me any error messages :(
<lunitik> blight: baz (bazaar) is a svn implementation being developed by Canonical/Ubuntu  :)
<snader> hm
<membreya> make it 1,000,001 Myrtti :)
<Myrtti> I have to tell you before I show you the url, that I love red roses.
<j^> that way its not possible to install gnome-dev and libapr0-dev
<Myrtti> see http://irssi.org/themes/roses.png
<membreya> Myrtti: you have a significant other...you don't need roses :P
<Myrtti> now, the picture
<membreya> aaaargh!
<Myrtti> http://www.photoimpactonline.com/photos.htm
<Quinn_Storm> heh, apparently the repository is still busy syncing, just ran an apt-get update and dist-upgrade and it showed a bunch of updates to kde
<membreya> my eyes!
<membreya> Myrtti: ...bella...you're console is all screwed up..the characters aren't even right!
<membreya> oh how can your SO complain about that pic :|
<Myrtti> membreya: that shot was made on XP
<Faithful> I am starting out... should I get hoary or warty?
<membreya> Faithful: wait until after april 6 (or 8) and get hoary final
<Myrtti> membreya: I thought about that too
<lunitik> blight: ps... its handy to know the tools that are at your disposal... a simply 'apt-cache search svn' would have returned many packages... including 'subversion'
<Faithful> membreya: can't wait... installing now
<Myrtti> membreya: but is that art, or porn?
<Myrtti> or erotica?
<membreya> Myrtti: very much art...and very much cool :)
<Myrtti> indeed
<lunitik> blight: but yeah... bazaar is supposedly a lot more sane...
<blight> lunitik: yeah thanks :-)
<Faithful> so hoary is just about there?
<Myrtti> It takes a while to realize she's naked
<flawd> phanter, have you got the correct sound output module selected?
<blight> lunitik: I search for svn using synaptic
<lunitik> Faithful: next month
<Faithful> It will be upgradeable I gather
* membreya goes back with galeon to zoom in on the pic
<queuetue> Faithful, I've been running hoary for weekjs, and *zero* complaints.
<lunitik> Faithful: it already is
<blight> lunitik: all I got was libsvn :-) doh I see subversion there now
<Faithful> It's still testing / not stable
<phanter> the soundcard is working so I think so...
<flawd> phanter, if not xmms might crash
<lunitik> blight: subversion-tools seems useful too... but seriously... check out bazaar
<Faithful> next month it will be stable
<flawd> phanter, well you still might not
<blight> lunitik: will do just found out about it
<flawd> phanter, go into the settings for xmss and change to output sound module
<freefall> anybody help?My ubuntu hoary has no sound when i play games
<flawd> if you use alsa select that, if oss select that
<flawd> etc
<lunitik> freefall: sound works otherwise?
<lunitik> freefall: is the game using esd?
<freefall> i am not sure about that
<membreya> i don't get sound in my games, but I'm using the nvsound module :)
<flawd> bbl got to do stuff
<phanter> flawd: oke... which one will I need. I use esd.
<flawd> phanter, I dont know if there is a xmms-esd deb
<Faithful> what is the most conveneint way of installing hoary ... Is there a net install disk?
<ompaul> membreya, I suggest you look at this >  wget -o log https://www.anz.com/wholesale/bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 < this outputs a file (a) log and a file which is the last part of the url in this case (b) bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 you can use the command less bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 or more bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025  cat bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 | more {or less} :) and see in case (a) what happened (b) what data you actually sucked
<flawd> if there is then install that
<membreya> ouch ompaul
<slept> panther: eSound
<flawd> because esd is most likely blocking the soudcard for xmms
<ompaul> membreya, break it up it is lots of little things
<flawd> so you need to tell xmms to either use esd for output or kill esd when using xmms
<flawd> heh
<ompaul> membreya, it is not hard it just looks it
<flawd> bbl as said hope this gives you a pointer
<phanter> HEY that was the trick, thank you guys !
<flawd> np
<phanter> (m/v?)
<flawd> glad to be able to help on my first day here
<membreya> ompaul: ... I understand it ..thankyou :)
<membreya> you'll fit in flawd ..just give a smart ass comment once in a while :P
<flawd-afk> ;)
<ompaul> membreya, grand, and a happy paddy's day whats left of it
<slept> has anyone tried reiserfs 4 ?
* ompaul runs away from slept 
<freefall> so what problem may it be?
* ompaul cowers in a corner and quivers
<Myrtti> now now ompaul
<Myrtti> it's not there to get you
<flawd-afk> membreya, I believe "smart ass" should be "smartass" (how about that? lol)
<Myrtti> have a cookie
<membreya> slept: I'm only running 3.6..sorry :(
<ompaul> thanks Myrtti
<lunitik> slept: linus says its not stable... so I'm not using it
<djp> dar, rdiff-backup, partition image or all three? any advice as to a decent back-up solution for a standalone pc running ubuntu highly appreciated...
* membreya smacks flawd-afk ...how about THAT!
<Myrtti> Linus <3
<flawd-afk> ouch. perfect
<phanter> Is it possible to start some programs (like gaim and skype) together with Gnome (after login)?
<njan> slept, I've tried reiser4
<flawd-afk> just doing as you said sir
<njan> slept, I tried it, it broke, I fixed it, it broke again, wash and repeat, I reformatted with ext3 :)
<Myrtti> now look you guys, I've tried to get off the keyboard for an hour now
<membreya> Myrtti: aren't you breaking it ?
<freefall> lunitik: can you tell me what problem it may be
<lunitik> phanter: yes... start them and log out with 'save current session' or use the session tool...
<Myrtti> nope
<membreya> njan: ..why not just use reiserfs 3.6?
<Faithful> so I gather hoary is in the last stages of dev before release?
<Myrtti> Faithful: yes
<lunitik> freefall: the game probably isn't using ESD like I said./
<lunitik> Faithful: yes
<Faithful> membreya: njan reiserfs ick
<ompaul> reiser fs a little over a year ago lost me 10 gigs of newly restored data - so I had to build the box from scratch and have stayed away from it since
<freefall> lunitik:so just disable esd?
<lunitik> ompaul: that'll do it
<njan> membreya, after reiserfs4 broke that many times I didn't want to any more..
<Faithful> ompaul: yup
<ompaul> lunitik, it did
<lunitik> freefall: that would work... but is easier said than done.. (esd respawns cuz it hates you)
<membreya> what's your beef with reiser Faithful ?
<phanter> lunitik: what is the sessiontool (cannot find it with google)?
<_axel> gnome-session-properties
<slept> I came from debian yesterday and I was kind of surpriesed of all that nu stuff reiser4 gnome2.10 ...
<Faithful> membreya:  It's like driving a Ferari without using sythetic oil
<Myrtti> well, on the other hand, it was snowing really heavily a moment ago, so I could say I was waiting for a better weather
<freefall> lunitik:any tips or some internet urls?
<lunitik> phanter: Computer > Preferences > Sessions
<lunitik> phanter: or System > Preferences > Session
<lunitik> phanter: but I'm gonna guess you're using warty..
<membreya> from what I read Faithful ...it's good for how I use it (40gb of music vids) :P
<membreya> i understand it's not so good on small files
<phanter> lunitik: I am using Hoary hedgehog
<jsgotangco> well that hoary update seemed to fix xorg
<jsgotangco> the first update killed x
<lunitik> phanter: ok... then the system line
<lunitik> phanter: or System > Preferences > Session
<phanter> I found it (man I should learn how to read :>)
<jsgotangco> is anyone here using ratpoison?
<lunitik> jsgotangco: hahahhahahahahhaha
<lunitik> hell no
<jsgotangco> errr
<membreya> poster on the mailing list I see jsgotangco :)
<jsgotangco> yes
<lunitik> ratpoison is perhaps the most outdated wm I have ever seen
<phanter> jsgotangco: had the same problem but a dpkg-reconfigure did the trick to fix it
<jsgotangco> lunitik: it works..i use it in my slack box
<membreya> i don't understand people's need to change wm's :|
<jsgotangco> well..
<jsgotangco> i like gnome 2.10 though
<lunitik> membreya: other than metacity sucks?
<jsgotangco> i just want ratpoison running as well
<membreya> i hate the fact that gnome 2.10 doesn't let you edit menu items easily
<Er_eR> howdi happy unbuntu guru's..... i'm an amateur to the world of linux and need some basic advice.............
<jsgotangco> true
<membreya> just ask Er_eR :)
<lunitik> membreya: I mean, it does its job I guess... but not the worlds most featureful wm...
<membreya> lunitik: but then you have the metacars..and the metapeople....ooo i can't wait till they discover metaspacetravel
<jsgotangco> lol
<lunitik> membreya: umm.... metacity is the name of gnome's wm...
<membreya> </end sarcasm>
<membreya> i know lunitik :)
<jsgotangco> well i'm going home first its like 7pm already ill catch you guys later
<membreya> I was being facetious
<Quinn_Storm> so....that's the end end sarcasm tag?
<Er_eR> i've got the latest version on cd and cant even install it... i have an IBM and dont know how to get it to boot from cd...
<jsgotangco> its good to have xorg running again *grin*
<Er_eR> pathetic i know...
<username> I've just installed k3b but it doesn't show up.
<membreya> check your bios Er_eR
<Er_eR> looked through it...
<Er_eR> no option to boot from cd...
<Quinn_Storm> membreya: so....that's the end end sarcasm tag?
<Er_eR> its crazy
<membreya> username: tried doing it from the terminal?
<Er_eR> can i use xp DOS
<username> membreya, no
<Er_eR> ???
<membreya> Quinn_Storm: nope..just the close sarcasm tag
<Quinn_Storm> membreya: that would be </sarcasm>
<Faithful> Isn't 18 months security support on a given release a little short?
<Sav> Er_eR, you sure your CDrom is corectly installed?
<Quinn_Storm> membreya: </end sarcasm> is close end sarcasm
<Er_eR> ya!
<membreya> Quinn_Storm: ...my bad..haven't coded html in about 7 years :P
<membreya> I'm rusty
<Sav> Er_eR, no you cant use XP Dos
<membreya> Er_eR: how did you install XP ? from bootdisk ?
<lunitik> Er_eR: I find it hard to believe you have XP on a machine that can't boot from CD...
<Er_eR> is it possiblwe to run windows and linux one the one system?>
<Myrtti> yes
<lunitik> Er_eR: yes
<username> Quinn_Storm, that would be the end of an element called 'end', with a non-valid extra bit of text wedged in there that reads 'sarcasm'.
<membreya> Er_eR: yes indeed..just make sure you partition enough space
<membreya> omg username ..scary :P
<Quinn_Storm> username: yeah...which makes no sense
<deFrysk> 
<membreya> leave me alone you guys :P
<lunitik> deFrysk: clever
<membreya> 
<Er_eR> like 30 gig ... but how do i select the OS of choice when i switch on?
<lunitik> membreya: html is easy ... even you could understand it  :P
<username> and it can't be an attribute, because all attributes must have values, and those values must be quoted, and anyway, there wouldn't be an attribute or value in the closing tag of an element.
<membreya> Er_eR: grub..the bootloader will install and it gives you the option of os's
<membreya> lunitik: ...harsh
<mlh> jdub, is it bendy or breezy!?
<lunitik> membreya: and I was being sarcastic about that being clever
* membreya pulls the knife from his back
<ompaul> Er_eR, do you know anyone who uses Linux?
<lunitik> membreya: haha... kidding  :P
<Myrtti> html is easy
* ompaul throws a bucket of salt into the wound :)
<lunitik> Myrtti: I just said that...
<Myrtti> I taught it to ten years old kids last year
<mlh> (says bendy on UbuntuDownUnder page)
<Er_eR> no... all windows corporatised freaks
* membreya declares open season on himself
<Myrtti> *valid* XHTML
<Myrtti> even
<Burgundavia> mlh: wiki is outdated
<Er_eR> is it possible to run one OS within the other?
<Burgundavia> Er_eR: yes
<Burgundavia> Er_eR: there are several methods
<membreya> Er_eR: yes, vmware or something similar
<Er_eR> are these options built within ubuntu?>
<lunitik> Er_eR: no
<garrut> does anyone else have problems with vmware crashing in hoary?
<username> okay, I've just typed k3b from the terminal. Several oceans of warnings streamed by, then it started. Then it said I have to use k3b setup (which is normal for the first time), but it won't accept my password.
<lunitik> username: why are you using k3b?
<Er_eR> is ubuntu a better from of linux....?
<Er_eR> form
<selinium_> munki && lunitik: Still no joy, I think it may have something to do with me tinkering last night actually. with the XF86Config-4 file. how do i re-install the x free stuff?
<lunitik> Er_eR: stupid question
<username> lunitik, I'm burning a dvd of stuff
<Er_eR> so yes???
<membreya> Er_eR: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
<username> lunitik, that's what it does. It burns cds and dvds
<lunitik> username: gnome's tools can't do it?
<username> lunitik, I've no idea
<lunitik> username: just drag them to the window that pops up...
<Er_eR> is it the best??
<lunitik> Er_eR: stupid question again
<username> lunitik, a window hasn't popped up
<Er_eR> am i on or off track....?
<Myrtti> k3b is a KDE based applilcation, and thus it can't be expected to work perfectly on Gnome.
<selinium_> Er_eR: You are going to get a yes from this forum aren't you!
<membreya> lunitik: ..no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid comments by me
<Er_eR> i'm so himbo to this world....
<Myrtti> even more so if KDE isn't fully installed
<membreya> selinium_: this is a forum?
<username> so k3b won't ever show up in the menus?
<membreya> Myrtti: ..I've run k3b..with a crap load of errors..but it worked :P
<lunitik> membreya: "is Ubuntu the best Linux" being asked in #ubuntu isn't a stupid question?  ;)
<Er_eR> if biest permits...
* selinium_ hangs his head in shame
<membreya> ok lunitik ....time for me to get nasty
<marcin_ant> hi all
<Er_eR> bias
<lunitik> username: log out and back in... if its not there... then no...
<marcin_ant> is any Skype user here?
<username> lunitik, ok
<membreya> "lunitik's mum to lunitik's dad: shouldn't you wear a condom" ..now THAT was a stupid question
<lunitik> username: although I thought they were using the same backend for menu's in gnome and kde
<membreya> and one she should have followed her gut feeling on :P
<ompaul> Er_eR, well none of us here would be biased towards ubuntu  :)
<Er_eR> thanks for the point mem...
<selinium_> Er_eR: if you want an objective view try #linux but we think Ubuntu is the best!
<selinium_> marcin_ant: yep
<ompaul> marcin_ant, I use it
<marcin_ant> I followed instructions on ubuntuguide and installed from package on skype.com but it doesn't work
<lunitik> membreya: haha... damn dude... wouldn't be the worst advice ever though...
<marcin_ant> no sound
<marcin_ant> doesn't connect
<marcin_ant> selinium_: and it is fully usable on your desktop?
<diego> hello... someone knows where can i get drivers for my hp deskjet printer? or my creative webcam
<slept> I'm not sure of ubuntu being the the best it still has to prove it's powers to me, but for now I Really like it
<slept> diego cups is great for hd
<selinium_> diego: google.com/linux
<slept> sorry hp
<diego> thnks
<Myrtti> awwww I love tux
<Myrtti> such a cute animal
<lunitik> diego: as for webcam... just plug it in...
<diego> but it doesn't work
<selinium_> marcin_ant: It works fine for me?
<lunitik> diego: gah... then fire up gthumb and 'file > import photos' ... shouldn't need to load any drivers
<zooko> Greetings, people of #ubuntu!
<selinium_> marcin_ant: Try to reinstall it through synaptic
<zooko> I upgraded my hoary system and alsa broke.  Now things that attempt alsa hang.
<zooko> But some other kind of sound -- the one that the desktop uses to make beautiful boops and wheeps -- still works.
<lunitik> zooko: /etc/init.d/alsa restart
<selinium_> lunitik: can you tell me what package i need to re install to get the X thingy working again?
<diego> ok thks bte
<Er_eR> grub... is this on the ubuntu cd...?
<zooko> lunitik: thanks for the suggestion -- I'll try that.
<lunitik> selinium_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<lunitik> Er_eR: yes
<membreya> hmmm apart from ipchains..what's a recommended firewall? :P
<zooko> I have another problem that has been around since i went from warty to hoary -- my mouse cursor crawls around the screen even when I'm not moving the mouse.
<lunitik> Er_eR: stop asking silly questions
<marcin_ant> ompaul, selinium_ : you use gnome or kde?
<Er_eR> cool... thanks
<membreya> play nice lunitik
<selinium_> marcin_ant: gnome
<StoffBox-Steve> Hoary preview is released! <<< Final out? :D
<zooko> after alsa restart it still hangs.
<Er_eR> understand... i'm lookin' in from the outside...
<marcin_ant> selinium_: hoary?
<selinium_> marcin_ant: indeed
<lunitik> Er_eR: no excuse for not reading docs...
<Er_eR> its another language...
<zooko> strace says it hangs after
<zooko> ioctl(3, 0x40045532, 0xbfffef64)        = 0
<zooko> open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", O_RDWR
<selinium_> Er_eR: what language?
<lunitik> selinium_: I think he's being figurative
* zooko studies the list of sound kernel modules.
<Er_eR> unsure..
<zooko> Hm.  I remember warty had this problem with discover loading the wrong kernel module for my cmipci sound card...
<membreya> wow lunitik ..a word with more than one syllable... I'm so proud :P
* zooko googles for that.
<selinium_> lunitik: Hmm... how to make yourself look dumb in one easy move! Doh!
<lunitik> membreya: 4 of em even  8-)
<lunitik> selinium_: heh... its cool... its hard to notice such things through text  :P
<membreya> selinium_: ..don't lower yourself to lunitik's level, he'll win every time :P
<slept> I can't drag and drop files from samba shares into the xmms playlist, for other files it works great. Any idea ?
<selinium_> lunitik: So you use the dpkg rather than apt-get. I assume that is because the discussion had earlier with munki?
<lunitik> slept: XMMS doesn't support dnd
<lunitik> selinium_: for local files... umm, yeah
<cocol> hi
<SlackShrike> hi
<cocol> how i make a root passwd?
<slept> luntik: I use dit for more than a year that way - so what happend the last night ?
<selinium_> lunitik: Thanks for your help. back in a mo on ubuntu hopefully!
<membreya> cocol: sudo passwd root
<lunitik> cocol: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
<cocol> ok many thanks
<membreya> stop saying RTFM lunitik
<membreya> Myrtti talked to us about that :P
<lunitik> membreya: do not state how to make a root password... its not a supported thing...
<lunitik> membreya: point them at the wiki, or don't say anything.
* membreya holds out his arm to lunitik ...bite me :P
<Myrtti> membreya: giving a good url is different
* lunitik chews membreya's arm off
<Myrtti> just saying use the google or rtfm or man sudo isn't nice
<membreya> wouldn't it be "man passwd" ?
* selinium_ chuckles as he leaves.
<Myrtti> membreya: what ever
<membreya> i wonder when the equal opportunity freaks are going to come in and demand that "man" be renamed to "person" :|
<lunitik> membreya: pretty sure most realize 'man' is short for 'manual'... and we have it covered anyways... 'info'
<optika> hi all, I've just attempted a warty -> hoary upgrade (using the preview CD as the only source), and "apt-get dist-upgrade" died after a while with "Input/Output" errors. I'm using XFS, and xfs_check says that the filesystem is still OK. Any suggestions?
<slept> is anyone using an ubuntu samba client ?
<lunitik> optika: never seen that... sorry
<username> nope. looks like k3b doesn't show up in menus.
<Seveas> slept, I use smbfs
<Fackamato> nn
<cocol> take it cool guys
<slept> seveas : does it work can you play audio files ?
<membreya> optika: crc errors on the cd?
<Seveas> slept, yes
<username> k3b setup is still rejecting my (correct) password. How can this be?
<membreya> lunitik: ..again I was being facetious
<optika> membreya: the CD checks out fine with the "verify CD" option when I boot from it. Lemme check the md5sum quickly...
<Seveas> slept, when I use smbmout it works like a charm
<Burgundavia> username: which password are you entering?
<username> Burgundavia, my root password
<test> I've checked faq and website, but can't see this.  I installed ubuntu and it didn't ask for a root password.  when I booted up I didn't know the password.  so I booted in single mode, set new password, now loaded up fine.  However...
<Seveas> username, use your own password
<Burgundavia> username: is uses sudo, so use yours
<Burgundavia> s/is/it
<username> Seveas, same password
<Seveas> username, ok
<Seveas> username, do you use su or sudo?
<test> when I use the updater program icon thingy on my gnome desktop, the password I enter for root it doesn't accept.
<username> Seveas, neither
<lunitik> test: type your user passwd
<Seveas> test, you need your own password for that
<Seveas> test, in Ubuntu everything is sudo
<Seveas> you do not need a root account
<test> that sounds really insecure...
<Seveas> test, no
<username> I think I do need a root account - k3bsetup is asking me for the root account's password
<Seveas> it's as secure as having a root account
<Seveas> username, run k3bsetup via sudo
<username> Seveas, ok
<test> I don't understand this :)
<Lightboy> see im having a similar problem
<lunitik> test: it's not... external people would need to know what users have root privs... whereas they can just aim john at root on the box if root is activated
<Seveas> test, go to the ubuntu wiki and find the RootSudo page
<lunitik> test: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
<Seveas> lunitik, that's a very old url
<lunitik> Seveas: it works  :/
<Seveas> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Lightboy> sudo sudo -s su su - s and su - wont accept my password at all
<username> nothing's happening
<test> At any rate, this update program doesn't work with my password or the root one.  The error is: Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root:
<test>  Child terminated with 1 status
<lunitik> Seveas: redirects to that  :/
<lunitik> Seveas: but is less typing...
<Seveas> Lightboy, if you type sudo -s and type your password, you should get a shell
<lunitik> Seveas: sudo -i
<Seveas> or try sudo su -
<username> I just type "sudo k3bsetup" into the 'Run Application' menu?
<username> nothing appears to be happening when I do that
<Seveas> username, if you do that, you need gksudo
<Seveas> sudo is for command line
<optika> membreya:
<optika> russell@zaebos:~$ md5sum /dev/hda
<optika> error processing /dev/hda: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
<slept> username : use  xterm and then sudo ...
<username> xterm?
<Lightboy> yeah
<optika> membreya: looks like bum CD :-/ thanks for jogging my brain :)
<Lightboy> all i want to do is add some repo's to my sources.list
<Seveas> gnome-terminal you mean, not xterm :)
<membreya> np :)
<slept> a text-mode-terminal for x
<lunitik> Lightboy: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list and throw them in there...
<username> I just typed "xterm sudo k3bsetup" into the 'Run Application' menu and nothing happened
<ompaul> marcin_ant, gnome - sorry in a meeting there for a min or 4
<lunitik> slept: should recommend gnome-terminal  :/
<Seveas> username, you type in: gnome-terminal
<Seveas> and in the terminal you type sudo k3bsetup
<username> ah, this is getting too complicated.
<wland> hi
<username> I'll do it on the other machine
<Seveas> lunitik, don't recommend vi, but gksudo gedit :)
<lunitik> Seveas: true
<zooko> Hm.  I'm confounded.  The sound kernel mods look right, as far as I can tell, and the Ubuntu desktop makes pretty boops and beeps, but if I do anything that tries to play through alsa, that thing locks up.
<Lightboy> i tried emacs and vi and gedit
<slept> Where can I find the list of things I should not recommend ?
<Seveas> vim is nice, very nice even, but not too good for newbies :)
* lunitik has seen n00b's try to navigate vi... its rather humorous
* ompaul remembers a static ip  I had years ago - vivivi-ppp.somedomain :)
<Lightboy> it still wont accept my password
<username> hang on, that last combination of programming worked.
<slept> zooko: maybe you are using oss
<lunitik> Lightboy: type YOUR password... not roots  :/
<test> quick question - apt-get install what will install kde?  I tried just kde, no luck.
<zooko> Well, I guess I'll do a dist-upgrade.
<Seveas> slept: creating a root account, things that can confuse newbies, non-standard programs if there is a standard alternative :)
<zooko> It seems like "dist-upgrade" suggests new packages twice a day.
<username> Now I've got k3bsetup, but for some stupid reason it drops off the bottom of the screen - there's no reason for it to be so big, there isn't enough information on the window to warrant that.
<zooko> Is this because Hoary is being rapidly patches in preparation for its release?
<Quinn_Storm> test: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop I think
<Seveas> zooko, yes
<Lightboy> i am typing my password.. there is no other user on my comp.. so my password is the only one
<Seveas> zooko, dist-upgrade for warty gives about 1 package per week :)
<kanga> have got the live cs at last
<kanga> cd
<test> thanks
<kanga> nero burnt it wriong
<username> as a result, there's no possible way of clicking any 'ok' button I presume must be there, below the bottom edge of the monitor.
<lunitik> Seveas: you should upgrade.
<Seveas> lunitik, why???
<kanga> burn as iso
<Quinn_Storm> username: you can move it by holding down alt while clicking on the window
<username> ok
<slept> seveas: I don't understand why they want to create one ? If I thing that I need to be root I just sudo su
<Seveas> hoary is for testing, my machine is a production machine...
<zooko> lsmod does tell me about some "oss" modules...
<username> Quinn_Storm, no, it's not able to move up any further than it already is.
<Seveas> slept, that's the correct way, but so many people never heard of sudo
<test> Quinn_Storm, I get errors like package not installable, etc.
<lunitik> Seveas: no Xfree86... new gnome, and more importantly gtk+ with auto complete as you type... better menu's...
<Quinn_Storm> username: if you click on the middle of the window while holding alt you can move the window
<Seveas> that's why sudo should always be recommended first
<test> anyway, going to try some stuff.  might be back later
<username> Quinn_Storm, the middle? really?
<zooko> Seveas: also, if you upgrade you can help me debug the audio configuration!  ;-)
<Quinn_Storm> username: yeah, its a great underused linux feature
<Seveas> lunitik, plus the instabilities of a dev. system
<lunitik> Seveas: although "better menu's" refers to layout, not functionality (can't edit them)
<username> Quinn_Storm, no - it doesn't move up any further than it already is.
<Quinn_Storm> username: strange, I can move all my windows off the top of the screen if I want
<Lightboy> lunitic: i am typing my password.. there is no other user on my comp.. so my password is the only one
<username> Quinn_Storm, I can't
<Quinn_Storm> username: well I don't know what to say
<lunitik> Seveas: gah... I've seen two "instabilities" with hoary... neither rendered system useless... just caused me to want to hit things
<Quinn_Storm> lunitik: lol
<username> Quinn_Storm, it jitters side to side as I try, but as it's already at the top (and falling off the bottom) it doesn't move any further up.
<Seveas> lunitik, that's good for you, but if I had been hit by the inotify bug or others, i would have lost hours of wirk time
<Seveas> this is my main work machine
<Quinn_Storm> username: very strange. never seen that happen before
<slept> lightboy: capslock ???
<bdr> username: metacity won't let you move the title bar off the top of the screen. If you alt+middle click on a window, you can resize it to fit on the screen
<username> This is an appalling example of braindead user interface design. The window has only a few items of information, and yet it seems to be defaulted to taller than a screen, for no reason whatsoever, and offer no way of resizing (not that I should require resizing it - it should be the correct size in the first place).
<Quinn_Storm> why  would he be using k3b under metacity?
<graungaard> can i have a console as background on my desktop?
<Lightboy> slept: nup password is typed exactly right
<lunitik> Quinn_Storm: I tried to point him in the direction of Nautilus' tools... but he seemed to ignore me  *shrug*
<lunitik> graungaard: not that I know of... wish there was a gdesklet for that  :(
<username> bdr, aha - that helps - I alt-middle-clicked toward the bottom end and moved up, and it indeed has reduced the height. Still a bad default.
<graungaard> ok, thx anyway :(
<username> All this faffing about just to press an 'ok' button. Ridiculous.
<Quinn_Storm> lunitik: I see...well I'm a kde person myself so I understand using k3b but...using it under gnome is just kinda...well it hurts my brain
<lunitik> graungaard: he just wanted to burn files to a DVD... would be easy to just use Nautilus... but nooo
<membreya> ...or gnomebaker :)
<bdr> nautilus burner always produced coasters for me, don't know why
<Zotnix> graveman!
<lunitik> Quinn_Storm: haha... same here kinda... minus the kde person part  :P
<username> there's no dvd burning tools in gnome
<lunitik> membreya: bah... why install more tools when the ones you have do what you want?
<membreya> Zotnix: graveman + amd64
<Zotnix> I have to run graveman in root (or any cd burning app) in root to burn.
<lunitik> username: nautilus will do it...
<username> lunitik, I see no such program as 'nautilus'.
<membreya> don't tell me ..there's a 64 bit package now ..wooo :)
<lunitik> username: the file manager  :/
<membreya> lol
* lunitik hates calling nautilus a file manager...
<Zotnix> Dunno membreya
<Zotnix> I use a i686 processor.
<membreya> Zotnix: ..there IS ...woohoo :)
<Zotnix> arch
<Zotnix> membreya, awesome
<lunitik> But its better than saying "the desktop shell" and getting wierd ass looks  :(
<membreya> pleb Zotnix :P
<username> lunitik, the file manager? where's that? I see no program called 'the file manager' either.
<username> lunitik, the 'search for files'?
<Zotnix> pleb means? (I forgot.. I've seen it before)
<bdr> username: nautilus is the program which draws all the desktop icons and directory windows
<lunitik> username: Applications > System Tools > File Browser
<membreya> lunitik: ..my main gripe with gnome is it's "clean up by name" damn it it's sorting!
<mman> hi all
<username> lunitik, there's no 'File Browser' under 'system tools'
<lunitik> username: I dunno where it is in warty  :/
<mman> anyone willing to help me with hoary remastering?
<membreya> applications > system tools > file browser
<username> lunitik, then I've no idea what you're talking about,
<lunitik> username: shitty
<username> lunitik, ?
<lunitik> membreya: I said that...
<bdr> lunitik: isn't it confusing that nautilus is set to not draw any desktop icons in warty? Makes finding the file browser kind of tricky for new users
<lunitik> mman: define 'hoary remastering'.
<membreya> that's where it is then lunitik
<slept> mman: create new iso ?
<username> well, anyway. There were no dvd burning tools, and the only one I've heard of in linux is k3b.
<lunitik> bdr: its not set that way... its set to not have home, start here, and trash on the destoo
<lunitik> desktop
<lunitik> bdr: easy to get them back
<mman> lunitik: need to add some .debs to filesystem.cloop (this I could do), need to add another user and place some files on their desktops
<membreya> username: from a terminal type nautilus burn:///
<bdr> lunitik: ah, must have remembered it wrong.
<username> membreya, why does everything seem to still have to run from a terminal?
<lunitik> mman: ahh... LiveCD stuff should go to mdz ... but I don't think he is around  :(
<membreya> username: cos we're not in windows?
<lunitik> bdr: everything put into ~/Desktop goes onto the desktop...
<username> membreya, I've never been in windows.
<membreya> username: if you REALLY want to be pedantic...create a launcher for it to make you feel better
<username> membreya, I'm not sure what windows has to do with this conversation.
<lunitik> username: no matter what, thats how Windows programs run too... its how all programs are ran... you're just used to having a pretty interface hiding that from you
<membreya> username: are you being particularly difficult or is this how you are naturally?
<mman> lunitik: not good, anyway, I've successfully remastered several old morphixes, but it seems that hoary is quite different, maybe some pointers to where the `ubuntu` user comes from will help me...
<username> membreya, no, what would make me feel better would be seeing the icon for it.
<username> membreya, I'd ask the same of you.
<username> membreya, you're antagonistic and prone to irrelevance
<membreya> I'm sorry..giving you helpful tips is being difficult..I shall cessate
<username> membreya, do that.
<Lightboy> ok i mananged to get into the file but it still wont let me change and save it
<Seveas> mman, the hoary liveCD is a casper system, you can find more info about it on the ubuntu wiki
<bdr> hey, this isn't #debian, no need to be so defensive guys
<lunitik> Lightboy: because you don't have perms... gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
<PgL|Chacal`wrk> yooo
<membreya> Lightboy: running it as sudo /
<mman> Seveas: Ah, never heard about casper, but going to check...
<username> this 'nautilus' program doesn't seem to have any options regarding what type of dvd I want to burn.
<lunitik> username: because it will figure it out based on files being burned.
<Lightboy> yeah i tried sudo and su
<username> lunitik, really?
<lunitik> username: has in my experience (regular files, iso, and audio have all worked)
<Lightboy> it wont accept my password so i tried a few other things
<username> so it knows that I'm about to burn a dvd video
<optika> hrm, next question, I can't seem to get DMA going on my CD-ROM drive -- this was the case with Warty and I just lived with it. It makes it impossible to write CDs. I'm not even sure where to start diagnosis :-/
<Lightboy> i also went into System>administration>users and groups and changed it there
<Lightboy> just to make sure
<Lightboy> but it didnt help
<membreya> optika: do a sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/ (cdrom name)
<optika> membreya: it doesn't like that :(
<slept> Lightboy: 1. open terminal 2. sudo nano /etc... (your user passwd)
<lunitik> username: it knows after you click "write image"  :/
<optika> root@zaebos:~# hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
<optika> /dev/hda:
<optika>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
<optika>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
<optika>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
<membreya> aaah optika ..same boat as me :) you have SATA harddrives?
<slept> no #flood ?
<optika> membreya: yeah, is there some sort of conflict in kernelspace with the two?
<lunitik> slept: sure, but no one uses it  :/
<membreya> optika: ...check on the archives for the mailing list :)
<membreya> maining in march / feb
<optika> ah, cool, ta.
<lunitik> slept: most here make you click on a pastebin link or just flood here  :/
<mman> Seveas: Thanx, found the info I need in a wiki
<optika> membreya: can you give me the executive summary? "Is there a way to fix it"?
<membreya> maining = mainly...too tired
<membreya> optika: ..mixed results
<optika> ah, k :) Will read up and try out then :)
* optika starts to suspect dodgy hardware ... second dud CD
<username> lunitik, ok. Usually there's a load of technical things it has to do, rearranging and making folders with special names, etc.
<membreya> I personally can't but that's because I'm as dumb as a door bell
* optika offs to meetings
<optika> thanks for the help membreya  :)
<lunitik> username: with relation to what exactly?
<membreya> lunitik: he's referring to taking an mpeg2 video and creating a DVD ...something which AFAIK nautilus does not handle.. I know the tool to do it ..but since I'm not helpful
<username> lunitik, no idea. It's just that whenever one burns a dvd video, there's more to it than simply putting the files on a dvd. The burning software has to do something special with regards to where it all goes, otherwise the dvd player won't see them.
<bdr> has anyone got a version of xemacs working in metacity? The version in hoary still has the infinite-loop resize bug...
<username> doesn't matter - I'm using k3b, which works.
<lunitik> membreya, username: it worked for me, and my DVD player is old and rather picky...
<BleSS> how can i know if a script has been called by other or does it has been executed from command line directly?
<lunitik> membreya: and you stated your solution... graveman...  :/
<zooko>  Huh-oh.  In the attempt to fix my "things hang when trying to use sound" problem, I installed libsdl1.2debian-alsa to replace libsdl1.2debian-oss.
<zooko> But in the installation process, it HANGS.  :-(
<zooko> bdr: I use xemacs in hoary with whatever the default desktop thingie is.
<zooko> Darn.  Now my synaptic is hung, trying to install libsdl1.2debian-alsa.  :-(  :-(
<bdr> zooko: whenever i maximise it, it just gets stuck in an infinite loop using 100% cpu
<membreya> lunitik: no, I was just talking about graveman and how when I first started with ubuntu (about 5 weeks ago) a 64bit port didn't exist
<zooko> EErrr.  Maybe it wasn't hung?
<username> lunitik, no, I've found that out the hard way in the past. All the 'VIDEO--' and 'VTS--' files won't work as a dvd video if you just stick them on a dvd and burn it as is.
<zooko> I clicked the "close" button and it closed the terminal thingie and now it says that everything worked.
<zooko> So I guess I just thought it hung because it stopped without writing a "I finished happily" message.  Oops.
<membreya> bdr..what infinate loop thing?
<ompaul> zooko, activity / time = new stuff per unit of time and is as long as  $piece of string  :)
<zooko> bdr: I'm doing this IRC chat through xemacs.  :-)
<sirukin> hmm
<zooko> ompaul: I have no idea what you are talking about!
<Lightboy> hey.. how do i get ntfs support goin
<bdr> memb : it just sits there redrawing the *scratch* tab constantly and doesn't respond to clicking on close. I can type in it
<ompaul> zooko, it can take time for stuff to happen
<zooko> bdr: 21.4.17.  I *think* I'm using the normal version not the gnome version.
<zooko> I'm using the nomule version.
<bdr> zooko: in metacity?
<Lightboy> like.. i know on fedora i just used an rpm then changed my mtab and fstab files
<zooko> bdr: I dunno.  What's metacity?  :-)
<membreya> bdr: I just installed it ..loaded it, unloaded it ..works fine
<sirukin> running hoary preview now
<sirukin> nice
<lunitik> bdr: you using hoary? cuz everyone that is saying its working is...
<zooko> Alas, changing the libsdl from oss to alsa didn't fix my bug.
<username> there we go. K3b has burned it. Job done.
<membreya> bdr: sudo apt-get install xemacs21
<bdr> using hoary
<bdr> "xemacs21 is already the newest version."
<membreya> hmmm, worked for me :|
<bdr> zooko: metacity is the window manager
<bdr> membreya: even maximised?
<zooko> metacity is the name of a process running on my system, soi it must be the wm I'm using here.
<membreya> ok so DON'T run it maximased..my eyes hurt
<slept> lightboy: its a kernel module, writing is still not recomended  you can modprobe it and then mount the partition
<zooko> my xemacs is currently maximized.
<zooko> brb
<membreya> maximised even
<membreya> gah!
<Lightboy> writing it??
<Lightboy> yeah no i dont need to write to this partition i just need to read from it
<zooko> bdr: i just switched to xemacs21-nomule, and I got the same bug you have.
<zooko> So I switched back to xemacs21-gnome-nomule, and now I'm happily using xemacs to IRC again.
<zooko> So, can anyone help me make my sound work?
<bdr> I just googled and it's a known bug, but they can't decide whose fault it is
<bdr> zooko:thanks, will go install xemacs-gnome
<zooko> bdr: try "sudo debfoster xemacs21-nomule- xemacs21-gnome-nomule"
<zooko> sigh.  I guess I'll dist-upgrade, reboot, and then give up and do something else with my time.
<sirukin> updating hoary with the update manager
<sirukin> nice addition
<bdr> hoary is looking to be a *really* good release
<slept> lightboy : modprobe  /lib/modules/"your kernel( use uname -r if you don't know))"/kernel/fs/ntfs/ntfs.ko and then mount -t ntfs  if that works you can
<sirukin> I agree
<deFrysk> http://johanvrt.tomaatnet.nl/mygnome2.10.png aint it fun ;)
<membreya> any way to find the port that a transparent proxy is running on ?
<LinuxJones> Nvidia drivers are still broken in Hoary :(
<bdr> LinuxJones: 7167 working fine here - what's the prob?
<snader> hm?
<snader> what's broken about htem
<sirukin> I havent even gotten round to that yet
<LinuxJones> bdr, I upgraded to the latest K7 kernel yesterday and nvidia are broken I had to go back to 2.6.10-4-k7
<snader> #define "broken"
<membreya> LinuxJones: if you're running 2.6.11 you need to download and run the nvidia drivers
<bdr> uname -a: Linux arthurdent 2.6.10-5-k7 #1
<LinuxJones> bdr, mmmm
<bdr> I just installed linux-headers and ran the 7167 installer
<bdr> dammit, now they're borken. glx is gone. I had five glxgears windows running ten minutes ago
<LinuxJones> bdr, what happens when Ubuntu release their drivers and you upgrade ?
<LinuxJones> bdr, if they update the kernel you have to do it all over again
<slept> bdr : compile your own nvidia-kernel it's not hard to do
<alex> ineed to compile the battery status. do i have to compile the hole kernel
<bdr> LJ: I know, I'm used to that by now.
<bdr> slept: this is with a self-compiled NVIDIA driver
<bdr> will go and fix it
<LinuxJones> So is Hoary frozen as of right now ?
<no0tic> hi!
<no0tic> is the frequency scaling system changed in the latest hoary kernel release? (/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0 is empty now)
<bdr> fixed. "GLX is not supported with the Composite extension". Composite just isn't supported more like
<Lightboy> it didnt find the ntfs module
<alex> the module speedstep-centrino dosnt get load with the new kernel
<sirukin> 
<Hayden> does anyone know how to convert a string to an int in c
<Hayden> if i may ask that in here :)
<alex> write (int) stringname
<mjr> Hayden, strtol
<Lightboy> slept: it didnt find the ntfs module
<Hayden> mjr, i thought so: i found this on a website... what does base mean long strtol(const char *nptr, char **endptr, int base);
<mjr> Hayden, it means, well, the base in which the number is to be interpreted
<mjr> you probably want base 10
<Hayden> ok thats what i thought too :)
<no0tic> => also powernow isn't supported in the new kernel
<slept> Lightboy: what kernel do you use
<slept> Lightboy : just modprobe ntfs
<Hayden> mjr, im noob to c, how do i declare a long int?
<SiRrUs> good morning
<slept> Lightboy: or  insmod with full path
<Lightboy> slept: i modprobed it
<selinium_> lunitix, still no joy. have you got any ideas on how to sort this?
<slept> Lightboy : now just mount the partition
<mjr> Hayden, "long" or "long int"
<Lightboy> slept: 2.6.10-4-amd64-generic on the amd64 latest release candidate
<Hayden> ok thanks
<fallow> hello :)
<Lightboy> slept: jon@lightboy:~$ modprobe ntfs
<Lightboy> FATAL: Error inserting ntfs (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-amd64-generic/kernel/fs/ntfs/ntfs.ko): Operation not permitted
<bdr> hayden: I found this tutorial quite useful back when I was learning: http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/CE.html
<slept> lightboy: sudo ...
<membreya> no0tic: I'm using an amd64 desktop, and powernowd is working fine for me ..my 2.2GHz CPU is almost constantly at 1GHz
<Lightboy> slept: sudo doesnt work from before still
<no0tic> membreya: I'm using a k7 cpu
<no0tic> membreya: on the 2.6.10-5 kernel
<membreya> I'm using  2.6.11-1-amd64-k8
<membreya> no0tic: what does dmesg say ?
<SiRrUs> membreya have you been using that one for long?
<membreya> erm, about 3 or 4 days SiRrUs
<slept> lightboy: are you in /etc/sudoers, if not use  visudo . You can't change kernel things without sudo or su
<membreya> I lie SiRrUs ...been running this build since the 11th :)
<Hayden> what build is that
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<SiRrUs> membreya and its working ok for you
<no0tic> membreya: Access to /proc/cpufreq is deprecated and will be removed from (new) 2.6. kernels soon after 2005-01-01
<membreya> SiRrUs: it's working jim dandy :) only thing I had to do differently was to compile nvidia
<membreya> and I compiled nforce :D
<SiRrUs> nice
<SiRrUs> da_bon_bon hello
<selinium_> can anyone help? cant start ubuntu.  cannot start x server. how can i sort this out? also i am chatting thru my p900 phon. it takes a long while 2 reply
<da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: hiya
<da_bon_bon> selinium_: whats the error message ?
<da_bon_bon> selinium_: p900 can irc ?
<flawd-afk> selinium_, can not start ubuntu? error?
<bdr> the p900 - the one *without* a keyboard. I admire your patience
<ulas2> hey
<membreya> no0tic: do you have powernowd installed?
<selinium_> p900 irc = Quirc
<ulas2> how do i update to hoary using apt-get update?
<no0tic> membreya: until kernel update it was working...
<ulas2> i mean without using synaptic
<ulas2> i made the changes to sources.list and ready to go....
<deFrysk> ulas2, apt-get dist-upgrade
<deFrysk> apt-get update first
<ulas2> deFrysk, you are the man...
<membreya> no0tic: do a sudo apt-get install powernowd
<ulas2> thankx
<no0tic> membreya: it is installed...
<SiRrUs> brb
<slept> ulas2: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace warthy with hoary
<da_bon_bon> hey, is there some rescue cd that has gparted on it ?
<Xappe> selinium_, but you get to console? if that's the case you could use irssi for irc til' you solve the x problem
<Lightboy> brb
<slept> da_bon_bon : knoppix
<membreya> no0tic: do a dmesg |grep proc ...does it mention powernow in there?
<sirukin> peachy, downloading nvidia drivers from nvidia.com now
<sirukin> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7167/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run
<no0tic> membreya: no
<selinium_> da_bon_bon>  the error jut says that . i could read the log but i dont know how to in terminal
<bdr> selinium : less /var/log/Xorg.0.log should give you the X error
<membreya> no0tic: lsmod |grep power ...anything about powernow?
<Micksa> I don't suppose anyone here has successfully compiled the linux-wlan-ng drivers in ubuntu?
<no0tic> membreya: no
<flawd> selinium_, you might want to connect to this irc server through an irc client like bitchx or ircii from terminal on your computer so you dont have to chat with the phone. apt-get bitchx
<flawd> or something
<selinium_> Xappe: thanxs for the irssi thing!
<bdr> selinium: bit easier that way
<flawd> selinium_, :) thought it was easier than phone
<flawd> heh
<Xappe> selinium_, no problem. irssi is all good :)
<bdr> I got a p910 it still takes me forecver to type on it
<selinium_> Indeed, but at least I konw i can do it now, both ways!
<flawd> Xappe, oh you gave that tip too
<da_bon_bon> bdr: well, luck y. i got a nokia 3410 :)
<lowndes05> ne1 tried to compile the Java 5 source on an iBook running the latest preview ?
<no0tic> membreya: ideas?
<bdr> selinium: you know that you can have two console windows open: one in IRC and one at the console prompt
<bdr> selinium: just use ctrl-alt-F1 and ctrl-alt-f2 to switch between them
<membreya> trying to find something no0tic ..and powernowd is definately installed? you don't have cpufreqd?
<selinium_> Anyway, has any body got any ideas on how i can get Xserver to work? I must admit i did tinker with it last night. And also install 3ddesktop then all stopped working
<no0tic> membreya: sure :)
<selinium_> bdr: cheers for that one!
<bdr> selinium: we'd need some error messages to go by in order to help you ;)
<flawd> selinium_, so what windowmanager are you running?
<flawd> selinium_, does it work to fire up kde for instance with "kde" rather than "startx"?
<flawd> or gnome
<flawd> (heh Im helping and I have never even tried ubuntu yet lol)
<Xappe> selinium_, have you tried a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on hoary)
<da_bon_bon> flawd: that wont work
<flawd> da_bon_bon, fireing up "kde" works here even if I have another default wm
<flawd> on mandrake
<flawd> thought it might be a wm issue
<selinium_> Right, first things first, I have only been using linux for a month, Ubuntu is my first install.
<flawd> since he tinkered with it last night with the 3d wm
<da_bon_bon> flawd: if X server isnt running and u say "startkde" it will give an error - no running x server
<selinium_> not tried kde yet, didn't konw how
<flawd> da_bon_bon, oh ok.
<Xappe> selinium_, what exactly did you do last noght? ;)
<selinium_> brbphone
<slept> selinium: just start xinit in a terminal , it will give you an error message
<flawd> wb membreya
<membreya_> danke :)
<membreya_> freaked out ..rebooted ..my harddrive was thrashing..to the point of getting to the grub menu took about 15 seconds :|
<Hayden> how do i print a long int using printf in c?
<membreya> no0tic: ..I can't anything definitive :(
<no0tic> membreya: thanks anyway
<membreya> maybe ask daniels if he's around :)
<flawd> Jack?
<selinium_> back, right, tinkered with the config file a la ubuntuguide.org. it didn't cause any problems. Then this morning i installed 3ddesktop, that it when the problems started.
<motuline> If i shutdown firewall with firestarter.. why I cant send any files with xchat.. I cant send them when firewall is on neither when firewall is off
<membreya> i still say you don't have powernowd installed :P
<selinium_> Also how do i page up in irssi?
<membreya> motuline: are you on a network or are you connected directly to the net?
<da_bon_bon> so, any rescue cd thats got a partiton editor ?
<motuline> network.. well.. im connected to the hub and hub is connected to internet
<bdr> selinium_: I remember installing 3ddesktop in Warty and not having any trouble with it
<jason> selinium_: page up
<bdr> selinium_:possibly a coincidence. if you type "xinit" at the console, what error do you get?
<selinium_> jason: cheers, i just worked that out! :)
<jason> :)
<selinium_> bdr: one moment...
<zooko> Hm.  So hoary has buffer overflows in libxpm and xlibs that have already been fixed in warty?
<bdr> zooko; really? I guess the devs have a lot of work at the moment
<membreya> motuline: is it a hub / switch / router?
<zooko> I'm not sure I understand the security advisories.
<motuline> hub
<zooko> oh well
<motuline> send worked in other distros when i turned off firewall
<selinium_> Fatl io error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server (:0.0) after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining
<membreya> hrm
<membreya> how are you stopping firestarter?
<Xappe> motuline, why not just open the right ports?
<selinium_> bdr: Fatal io error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server (:0.0) after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining
<Xappe> oh, send you say
<slept> selinum_ : are you root / using sudo ?
<SlackShrike> where i can download the kernel of the live-cd ?
<bdr> selinium_: anything before that? if you look at the log: "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" are there any more errors?
<selinium_> slept, at the moments
<motuline> Xappe: what port xchat uses?
<slept> selinum_ : start xinit as normal user
<selinium_> slept i am using sudo
<Xappe> motuline, that I don't know
<motuline> I don't neither
<slept> selinum_ : so don't use it just xinit
<bdr> motuline: grep irc /etc/services
<selinium_> bdr: How do i look at the log? from the command line?
<motuline> add rule with firestarter?
<Xappe> motuline, think you can set the send port yourself in the settings
<bdr> motuline: says 194 on my system
<bdr> selinium_: yes, just type "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" at the command line and you will get the log file up and can use the cursor keys to navigate it
<slept> selinium_ : less /var/log ...
<selinium_> bdr slept: cheers, i am learnign sooo much today!
<slept> to slow
<selinium_> :)
<motuline> add rule and then i put 194 port to it?
<Xappe> i use shorewall so I don't know how to do it in Firestarter
<Xappe> but in shorewall it's something like: ALLOW fw net tcp port
<motuline> now i found where i can put port
<Burgundavia> wtf is "performant"
<zooko> Hm.  By the time I apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ; reboot then there are new packages available so I have to do it all over again.
<slept> selinium_ : are you useing xfree or xorg ?
<SiRrUs> good morning Burgundavia
<zooko> Sadly, none of them have yet fixed my "hang on attempt to play sound through alsa" problem.
<Burgundavia> SiRrUs: hello
<Burgundavia> oops, wrong chan
<SiRrUs> :)
<selinium_> slept: I hae no idea!
<no0tic> where can I file a bug for linux-image?
<bdr> slept: oops, you're right, selinium_ is probably running warty. I forgot
<selinium_> bdr: nope, i'm on hoary
<bdr> selinium_: oh, ok
<zooko> So what does the desktopguithingie use to make its beeps and boops?
<zooko> Because those sounds are working, but xmms, mplayer, aplay all hang.
<flawd> I got an athlon 1095 Mhz. Is this "k6" or "k7" or what?
<SiRrUs> zooko set your xmms to use esd
<bdr> zooko: I think it uses esd
<Jesterace> yea esd is what I use
<zooko> It's frustrating, because alsa was working until I upgraded hoary yesterday.
<bdr> esd has such a high latency
<jason> can anyone verify a bug for me?
<zooko> It's too bad there's no feature to downgrade all packages to where they were 24 hours ago.
<slept> selinium : cat /etc/apt/sources.list , what can you see warty or hoary ?
<selinium_> bdr slept: there are a few errors, firstly wanrings that the framebuffers do'nt exist. open/dev/fb0-7: No such file or directory
<zooko> I guess I should file a bug.
<SiRrUs> zooko
<bdr> zooko: alsa will still be working, it's just that esd locks the device for its own use
<SiRrUs> you can file a bug or do as several of us have suggested
<bdr> selinium_: I think you can ignore the fb errors
<selinium_> bdr slept: NV(0) failed to open framebuffer. Screens found but none have usable config
<membreya> flawd: k7 I believe
<jason> in a gnome terminal the command: sudo apt-cache search (string) | less
<jason> breaks xterm
<zooko> bdr: so upgrading hoary yesterday caused esd to start locking the device?
<zooko> Because this was all working yesterday.
<bdr> selinium_: you're using an nvidia card? did you install the nvidia drivers?
<flawd> membreya, how can I tell for sure?
<zooko> Thanks for the idea -- I'll try stopping esd and then see what happens.
<slept> selinium_ : #   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
<slept> #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
<slept> #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
<zooko> So, why are there so many different sound systems?  arts/esd/polypaudio/alsa/oss.  That's a lot.
<selinium_> bdr slept: should i try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and use the nvidia drivers instead of NV driver, which hoary chose for me. It all worked before this morning on NV
* zooko tries to figure out how to stop esd.
<slept> selinium_: good idea
<LinuxJones> selinium_, you upgraded to the 2.6.10-5 kernel with Nvidia ?
<bdr> zooko: possibly it replaced the config file. If you install libesd-alsa0 you can make esd use alsa and then get dmix working
<selinium_> slept: will do, sorry, i dont touch te so by the time i look back at te screen.... :)
<membreya> flawd: k7 is athlon :)
<zooko> bdr: interesting!  I'll try that, thanks.
<flawd> ok
<bdr> oops, it's nearly half one. I should really be working. bye
<zooko> bye!
<zooko> thanks for the help.
<motuline> Xappe: I try to send something to you..
<motuline> k?
<membreya> can anyone recommend a WYSIWYG HTML editor?
<zooko> Nope, after installing libesd-alsa0 I still have the problem of aplay locking up when I try to play a .au file.  :-(
<andrew> hello
<zooko> oh, and I forgot to list jack in the list of competing/interoperating/whatever audio systems.
<membreya> what are people's experiences with amaya?
<selinium_> slept bdr: I get a permission denied when i try to md5sum
<andrew> hey when installing gphoto i get this
<andrew>  Library requirements (libgphoto2 >= 2.1.2) not met
<da_bon_bon> can ubuntus repos be used to install kde 3.4 on any other debian based distro /?
<membreya> andrew: so install libgphoto2
<andrew> yah
<andrew> i got the gcc to complie it
<andrew> but it cant find the libary or something
<andrew> on the site for it they if it happens do this
<andrew> alice@host:~$ PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig
<andrew>                 alice@host:~$ export PKG_CONFIG_PATH
<zooko> Okay, I configured xmms to use esound and now I'm happy.
<zooko> Thanks, bdr.
<andrew> did it but nothing happend
<andrew> da-bon i have kde 3.4 on ubuntu it works nicely
<selinium_> are you still about slept?
<slept> selinium_: less /etc/X11/xorg.conf there is the description you need, you have to do these things with sudo
<selinium_> cheers slept!
<Insom> cheers all
<selinium_> slept: it sayds no such file or directory!
<Insom> can anyone tell me when can i expect the next ubuntu relese?
<selinium_> slept: i was here earlier and ran the dpkg-reconfigure from root. Have i caused porblems?
<andrew> next monuth
<andrew> early next monuth
<flawd> my motherboards inbuildt soundcard sucks so I'm digging through my old pci soundcards (good to collect old pc trash!). Which is best of these?: Soundblaster awe 64, Soundblaster 16 model ct2960 or Soundblaster (sbv16s) model ct2800? I would think awe 64 right?
<sirukin> openssh 4.0
<stuNNed> flawd: probly the awe 64 i would guess
<flawd> yeah
<NetwrkMonkey> how can i find out what keycode a certain button is generating in xwin?
<NetwrkMonkey> know about xev for mice actions but...
<LinuxJones> Anybody know of a good in-depth tutorial explaining the interaction of dbus+hal+hotplug/discover  ??
<EsK> do yall ever sleep
<slept> selinium: no . you can reconfigure as often as you want, you just have to get things right
<LinuxJones> EsK, How do you like Ubuntu so far ??
<Jesterace> oops firefox crashed
<EsK> its alright, i had a major problem with dpkg last night, but i dont know if its gonna work yet so let me update all this shyt and ill get back with you :)
<LinuxJones> EsK, stick with apt or synaptic front ends
<sirukin> hmm
<EsK> no i kno, when i use apt-get, i get the message, dpkg was interrupted
<andrew> i get this error when complialing gphoto
<Jesterace> hello LinuxJones
<andrew> Library requirements (libgphoto2 >= 2.1.1) not met
<EsK> and it gives me a command to use and when i use that command it logs me off
<LinuxJones> Jesterace, hi pal :)
<Jesterace> LinuxJones, how goes it today?
<LinuxJones> Jesterace, not too bad a day, a few days off of work so I am relaxing a bit
<LinuxJones> EsK, what's the command ?
<EsK> dpkg --configure -a
<JoeyPeters> Hello, I have a problem, the "Add or remove applications" program hangs when I load it :(
<Jesterace> LinuxJones, that's good, i'm relaxing as well while I put up a server
<LinuxJones> EsK, try apt-get -f install
<JoeyPeters> Is there a terminal alternative?
<LinuxJones> Jesterace, webserver ?
<Jesterace> yeah
<EsK> i still get the same message, dpkg was interrupted
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, you mean synaptic ?
<LinuxJones> EsK, try apt-get clean
<JoeyPeters> I'm not sure, I've just installed the preview
<EsK> alright i did so, whats next?
<JoeyPeters> ah, synaptic works, thanks
<slept> esk : apt-get --fix-missing
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, ok there is a gui front end called synaptic which you can use to add/remove/update your software.
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, hit alt + F2 then type synaptic (enter your user password)
<JoeyPeters> Nice.
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, you'll want to hit the reload button to update the packages list on the repos
<EsK> alright, it showed me a list of commands and options
<JoeyPeters> Does it install so swiftly?
<EsK> JoeyPeters, yes
<JoeyPeters> I just downloaded gcc in a second and installed, this can't be right.
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, do you have a high speed internet connection ?
<JoeyPeters> Yes.
<JoeyPeters> Sweet.
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, if you want to compile something you will need to search & install  build-essential
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, using gcc that is
<JoeyPeters> Okay, thanks for the help.
<selinium_> slept: I back on ubuntu!
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, if your just starting with Ubuntu I would have a look @ www.ubuntuguide.org
<JoeyPeters> I've used other linux distros
<selinium_> slept: thanks for all your help!
<sirukin> any of 'em based on debian?
<LinuxJones> JoeyPeters, Ubuntu has some unique ways of doing things, that are different form say Redhat or Mandrake
<JoeyPeters> Oh, okay
<flawd> anyone know if you can connect the cdrom to the aux1 connector on a soundblaster card? the cable I have have a plug that only fits to the aux1 connector. the cdin connector has a plug that looks like the one that needs to be connected to the cdrom
<deFrysk> flawd, yes
<deFrysk> you can
<flawd> good
<deFrysk> make sure to unmute it in alsamixer
<flawd> yeah
<ac^> hello
<slept> selinium: everything works fine?
<EsK> okay, linuxjones, i used that apt-get clean, and im sure it cleaned but im not sure what the apt-get --fix-missing command does, is it supposed to show something other than commands and options?
<kanga> hello i need somehelp please
<kanga> im loading live cd
<zooko> Greetings, people of #ubuntu!
<EsK> kanga, whats the problem
<selinium_> slept: seems to, i switched off framebuffering in the config and used the nvidia setting instead of NV
<Myrtti> umph. Back from the cittee
<kanga> it gives me an optio about coumns and rows and a number
<kanga> what option do i use?
<kanga> columns and rows
<zooko> Dear #ubuntu: my mouse cursor is crawling all around the screen.
<sirukin> haha
<zooko> This makes it hard to use the mouse, because I have to keep dragging it back into place just before I click on a button.
<sirukin> dear zooko: get that cat away from your computer!
<LinuxJones> EsK, it tries to fix any problems that may confuse the dpkg
<zooko> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg several times.
* zooko smiles.
<zooko> I just uninstalled gpm, but that didn't fix it.
<flawd> damnit. i forgot it was an ISA card
<flawd> grr
<kanga> esk: are you with me
<garrut> clean your mouse
<zooko> It's an optical mouse.
<kanga> i can see it
<zooko> And the cursor crawls all the way across the screen over a period of 10 minutes or so.
<garrut> oh, that's right, you never have to clean the optical ones
* zooko looks at the bottom of his mouse.
<zooko> Ohhh.
<zooko> When I move it off of the bright white paper onto the wood desktop, it stops crawling.
<zooko> :-)
<kanga> i used 7 and the font was big do i go smaller number or larger number or let it scan?
<garrut> hmm
<rizla> hello folks
<LinuxJones> rizla, hi
<EsK> well it still gives me that message when i try to do anything with apt-get or synaptic
<rizla> can somebody help me with installing my printer?
<wdh> zooko, sounds logical.. optical mice do not like white paper :)
<wdh> at least most of them
<zooko> Darn it.  Now it is doing it again.  Hm.
<zooko> Maybe it is because of the desk shaking when I type.
* zooko tries moving the keyboard off the desk temporarily.
<LinuxJones> rizla, what kind of printer do you have ?
<flawd> how annoying.
<flawd> no isa slot
<flawd> hah
<rizla> epson stylus c46
<flawd> figures
<LinuxJones> rizla, install cupsys-driver-gimpprint
<LinuxJones> rizla, do you know how to do that ?
<rizla> can i find it with apt-get?
<LinuxJones> rizla, yeah
<zooko> No, moving the kdb off the desk didn't fix it.  Maybe it's a hardware problem in the optical mouse.
<rizla> ok, i'll try. and then?
<flawd> badar
<EsK> if im not able to get synaptic or apt-get to work, im prolly just gonna re-install ubuntu
<flawd> woops
<LinuxJones> rizla, yeah
<LinuxJones> rizla, it might be in the universe repo if you can't find it in main
<rizla> no, i've just correctly installed it
<slept> esk : dselect update
<rizla> but nothing has changed..
<deFrysk> EsK, apt-get -f install
<deFrysk> try that
<EsK> doesnt work
<deFrysk> EsK, whats the prob ?
<deFrysk> missed the conf
<deFrysk> ersation
<LinuxJones> rizla, close the printers config and reload it
<EsK> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
<EsK> i run the command and get logged off
<rizla> LinuxJones, my printer doesn't compare in the list f model when i'm selecting the driver..
<rizla> LinuxJones, wait just a moment.. it's working!!!!
<EsK> atta boy
<rizla> LinuxJones, great!thanks a lot!
<LinuxJones> rizla, sometimes you can use the closest print driver to the actual printer that you have
<ac^> i've updated some software and installed nvidia drivers but i couldn't find a way to force a higher refresh rate :/ any help for a newbie? :)
<LinuxJones> rizla, no problem :)
<rizla> LinuxJones, i think i'll call you many times in future :-). thanks again. bye
<membreya> is there any way to tell the ICP port and standard port for a transparent proxy (I want to piggy back on my ISP's proxy with my squid)
<LinuxJones> rizla, bye
<no0tic> if I save a file in the desktop it doesn't appear on it, I have to open the desktop directory via nautilus, and, as it reread he directory, the file shows up on Desktop too
<EsK> alright im re-installing ubuntu, ill be back in like, 25 min
<LinuxJones> no0tic, yeah I have noticed that as well
<no0tic> LinuxJones: there's something we can do?
<membreya> no0tic: when you save a file, have you tried pressing CTRL+R?
<no0tic> membreya: no
<LinuxJones> no0tic, are you running Hoary ?
<kalis> no0tic, that is a "feature" ;) it has to do with the fact that the stock hoary kernel lacks inotify support which is needed by gamin for reading the filesystem for changed files.
<no0tic> medwards_: I'll try
<no0tic> LinuxJones: yes
<membreya> thanks for the fyi kalis :)
<no0tic> kalis: what a cool feature! :)
<membreya> they couldn't fix  the inotify bug so they just disabled it by default?
<kalis> naah! Really annoying ;) i have one more annoyance! I cant open files on my SMBFS shares with iso8859-1 specific names... also a feature ;)
<no0tic> kalis: I noticed inotify was removed some days ago, it produced problems with hotplug, if I remember...
<kalis> membreya, inotify keeps crashing gam-server i think.
<membreya> kalis: ..that was the bug :)
<kalis> any Swedes in here (or iso8859-1 compliant human being ;) ?
<membreya> that's the one no0tic :) caused everyone that kept up to date with their updates headaches for a few days
<dizzie> Afternoon all :)
<membreya> morning dizzie (1.20am here)
<dizzie> kalis, i use 8859-15, will that do :)
<dizzie> membreya, 15:20 here in lil Denmark :)
<kalis> dizzie, might do! Do you have any smbfs shares mounted?
<membreya> give back our princess dizzie :P
<miweit00> hi, any german here? I have problems installing ubuntu.
<kanga> dizzie 16:20here in sa
<kalis> dizzie, i cant get my damn smbfs shares to display ??? at all.
<dizzie> Never used it, so not much help :(
<Amaranth> does anyone know how to make bluefish actually use spaces for tabs?
<Amaranth> the setting in edit->preferences doesn't seem to do anythingh
<membreya> how do you tell the iso standard used? :|
<kanga> hi kotatsu
<kalis> membreya, in fstab? for me (Swedish) codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1
* kotatsu waves.
<kanga> me got my live cd to work nero burnit wrong must tell it to burn as iso
<membreya> aaah, mine doesn't have codepage or iocharset :|
<kanga> going home to try it leaving work now
<kalis> it _should_ help out, but not for my w2k fileserver with lots of folders and files with strange names.
<miweit00> how can i set a "root-Filesystem" on the installation?
<AnguS> hi there
<AnguS> i currently have a debian 3.1 sarge system... is it possible to 'upgrade' to ubuntu 5.0 hoary?
<dizzie> I wouldnt try that
<kotatsu> AnguS: only way to find out is to try it
<kotatsu> AnguS: no guarantees on a system that doesn't crash afterwards ;)
<kotatsu> theoretically, I suppose it "should" work
<kanga> happy St Patricks Dau
* kanga gives out Pints OF guinness
<skora> good choice.
<membreya> blah
<membreya> i don't trust black beer
<AnguS> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
<AnguS> nice :)
<skora> btw, when i try to type in the cmd: sudo cd /acertaindir
<kanga> im off then to get a real pint
<dizzie> Share!
<kanga> cheers all thanks for the help!!
<dizzie> :o
<skora> it says that cd: command not found
<membreya> skora, you can't sudo cd
<kanga> :O
<membreya> if you WANT, do a sudo -s
<skora> k
<skora> i have to copy a tar to a rooted dir.
<skora> [configuring shorewall] 
<dizzie> sudo cp <file> /destdir ?
<membreya> i prefer my method dizzie :P
<dizzie> i do : su -
<skora> i already copied the file there, then i have to untar it.
<dizzie> ;)
<skora> im just following the directions of the how-to on the forums..
* skora shrugs
<membreya> dizzie: wouldn't su require you to have root?
<dizzie> yip, i did a sudo passwd root, as i like to login as root from time to time
<dizzie> But thats me ;)
<membreya> shhh dizzie ...don't publish it :P
<xamdm> hm, i just do i sudo su, so root works without passwd ;-)
* dizzie hangs his head in shame
<membreya> linux 20,000,000 ways to do the same thing :|
<dizzie> The thing i like about linux
<dizzie> ;o
<skora> allright ! got it set up
<slept> dizzie: why don't you just use sudo su ???
<membreya> slept: if you're doing that, why not just do a sudo -s ?
<membreya> or as I prefer, sudo -s -H
<xamdm> membreya, ;-)
<lok> I ve just tried to install fglrx drivers on a x86_64 architecture by apt-get.... the driver is on 32bits it's normal ? now my kernel haven't the powernow and none of the other reinstalled generic kernel enable it why?
<lok> and of course the driver can't works
<dizzie> slept, same reason for why i keep my DocumentRoot in /usr/www ... because i can :)
<dizzie> Old FreeBSD habbit i recon :)
<skora> I think there's a package that ubuntu is neglecting...that or I don't know how to find it in apt-get
<skora> wxpython
<Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/menueditor.png :D
* Amaranth shows off
<Amaranth> wxwidgets is a joke and a half
<Myrtti> skora: apt-cache search wxpython, but you prolly new that already
<Myrtti> s/new/knew
<dizzie> Nice one Amaranth ;)
<LinuxJones> skora, you coded that in mono ?
<LinuxJones> skora, sorry that was for someone else
<Amaranth> LinuxJones: I think you meant me and no. I just like the editor.
<Amaranth> It's Python.
<Amaranth> only catch is the save button doesn't actually do anything yet :P
<LinuxJones> Is that a new one ?
<Amaranth> new one?
<jon1012> Amaranth: very nice menu editor :) gnome 2.10 needed one :D
<skora> ahha...i needed pythoncard and im getting now. thank you myrtti
<Myrtti> skora: np :-)
<Amaranth> you shouldn't need pythoncard, just libwxgtk2.5.3-python
<membreya> Amaranth: ...fix the save button and I'll done 0.000001 cents :P
<Amaranth> that's in hoary, dunno the version in warty
<ac^> i'd liked to use higher refresh rates than the system provides by default but i can't seem to find a way to force better rates, any useful links or something?
<Amaranth> membreya: Yeah, I can't make it align anywhere but in the center.
<Amaranth> ac^: It detects what you monitor and video card can handle automatically so it should have what you need.
<ac^> it does not :/
<Amaranth> ac^: warty or hoary?
<ac^> warty
<skora> libwxgtk was automatically included anyways w/ pythoncard, as a dependency...ahh the bliss of apt-get
<Amaranth> heh, i haven't used xfree86 in so long i forgot the name of the config file
* skora has left RPM hell
<Amaranth> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
<Amaranth> if that exists you need to edit it
<membreya> silly warty....hoary at least automatically links the files :P
<ac^> hmm.. not working or i'm just too noob for this
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, what's the command to run it ?
<BiteMeBill> ac^: give it time noobness goes away.
<Amaranth> LinuxJones: Nothing, you don't have it.
<Amaranth> LinuxJones: I'm writing it.
<ac^> i managed to find this http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, heh will it be ready by the end of the day :)
<skora> i have a question about the synaptic manager...there's some packages that have an updated version, though 'woody' is tacked on at the end, which i know is for debian.
<Amaranth> LinuxJones: If you enjoy filing bug reports.
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, :D
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, looks great man
<skora> is it a big deal if i use those versions.
<skora> in updates ?
<Amaranth> end of the day is 8 hours away i should be able to make the save button work by then :P
<skora> one of them, i.e. libasound2, current version is ubuntu, though it asks to install a woody.
<skora> hehe.
<AnguS> if i do upgrade my sarge to hoary, is there a way to find out if i have any package leftovers which were not upgraded to hoary bcause they are newer in sarge?
<AnguS> in case of security issues it would suck if i had such packages on my system
<AnguS> which are not upgraded anymore...
<Myrtti> you did what?
<Burgundavia> AnguS: hoary has mostly newer stuff than sarge
<Amaranth> i'd suggest not trying to upgrade from sarge to hoary if you can't answer that
<skora> yeah, thats going from debian to ubuntu
<skora> 2 diff. distros ?
<gangalino> anyone able to record data DVDs w/ Warty?
<gangalino> I'm trying to sort thru the dvdrwtools mess
<sirukin> k3b?
<gangalino> does it have the dvdrwtools installed and setup for use?
<gangalino> I'm in the process of trying to download k3b now
<skora> apt-get install k3b
<LinuxJones> gangalino, graveman or gnomebaker is very good
<AnguS> Burgundavia: ok, i will now upgrade my pc, and if there are no problems i'll go on with my server :D
<EsK> im bad
<EsK> back*
<AnguS> i'm sick and tired of debians slowness in development, debian makes me feel old
<Amaranth> maybe you should use debian unstable?
<LinuxJones> AnguS, they are talking about dropping a bunch of architectures and concentrating on  a few
<EsK> which ones are they thinkin about dropping?
<gangalino> LinuxJones: I'm having problems getting gnomebaker confiugred for dvd-burning though
<IrcUsr> has anyone here been through a major version upgrade?
<EsK> i386+?
<AnguS> i386? gh
<AnguS> nice :D
<EsK> ;)
<gangalino> LinuxJones: I supposedly have to install dvdrwtools ?
<AnguS> well, wish me luck ;)
<Super400> hi all
<AnguS> see you later i hope hehe
<Amaranth> all but x86, amd64, ppc, and ia64, iirc
<EsK> sweet
<Amaranth> "dropping" is the wrong word
<Super400> ubuntu convert here :) so far , so good
<EsK> whats the right word then
<LinuxJones> EsK, the ones that only a few are using as an example >> http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/Debian/2005-03-04-18-13_ftp.se_download_numbers.html
<Amaranth> they're just making it not a requirement to build on those archs before getting into unstable/testing/whatever
<LinuxJones> gangalino, yeah you need that jsut install graveman
<Amaranth> and not holding up releases because of problems with those archs
<LinuxJones> gangalino, it should install them as a dependency (I believe)
<EsK> okay so they're keeping the x86's?
<KudDa> need help ... my ubuntu installation stuck on something bout ISO-8859-1 ... any idea?
<Amaranth> duh, that's the most use platform :P
<Amaranth> and this is debian talk, not ubuntu
<EsK> oh, i didnt know...
<Super400> What's the word on getting G 2.10 up and running on hoary
<Amaranth> Super400: Err, it's been in hoary since the day it released
<EsK> i want KDE, and it isnt on the ubuntu guide
<LinuxJones> EsK, there is kubuntu
<EsK> i think thats the reason my apt-get n stuff was messing up
<Amaranth> kubuntu either already has KDE 3.4 or has a RC of it
<EsK> cuz i tried to get that
<deFrysk> EsK,  kde3.4 is in hoary repo
<Dakko> omg...I just saw the default screensaver for the first time
<Amaranth> no default
<Amaranth> it's random
<Dakko> Oh
<deFrysk> Amaranth, I have kde4.3 on it
<Dakko> Well it's the cow jumping up and down... Hilarious
<deFrysk> 3.4
<EsK> im going to need to get the universal repo, where is it again, like /etc/apt or something
<deFrysk> sorry
<echnaton> hi i compiled my kernel yesterday! but now i get following error: "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
* Amaranth laughs
<Amaranth> why did you compile your own kernel?
<echnaton> fun
<ac^> btw, what firewall do you gues suggest for a beginner?
<echnaton> HARDWARE firewall
<echnaton> ^^
<Amaranth> what he said
<echnaton> HARDWARE firewall
<EsK> i need to fart
<echnaton> lol
<Amaranth> hey, an IPv6 user
<Super400> Amaranth: I just installed the latest hoary preview ... will it include 2.10 ?
<BiteMeBill> EsK: /etc/apt/sources.list
<ac^> no money for a hw one atm
<EsK> i thought IPv6 had problems in it or osmehting
<Amaranth> Super400: Yeah, it has 2.10 afaik.
<EsK> thats what i heard
<BiteMeBill> ac^: use an old system and install a firewall disro.
<Amaranth> EsK: Chicken and egg problem. Servers won't support IPv6 unless clients need it and clients won't support it unless servers require it.
<echnaton> is there an download server for ubuntu deb files?
<EsK> yeah i knew there was something, i just didnt know which
<Amaranth> you can go to http://archive.ubuntu.com
<gangalino> what's the syntax for apt to resolve dependencies?
<EsK> i'd like my 1280x1024 resolution back instead of the fugly 1024x768
<LinuxJones> gangalino, it does it automatically
<gangalino> not me
<Jesterace> EsK, did you upgrade to hoary?
<EsK> yessum
<LinuxJones> gangalino, your trying to install a sigle .deb that you downloaded
<gangalino> I tried a dpkg -i actually
<StoffBox-Steve> hmm ubuntuguide.org is out of date :( >> how to install Multimedia Plug-in for Mozilla Firefox (Non-Pentium 4)? << when i edit the "mozpluggerrc" the file has a new layout :( can someone say me > need the file and edit ? or can i leave it as it is
<EsK> yeah stoff, it doesnt work
<Amaranth> gangalino: that don't resolve dependencies, that's what apt does
<gangalino> yes, found graveman.deb on freshmeat
<gangalino> OK, so where do I find the apt package for graveman?
<membreya> gangalino: graveman should be in your repo's
<Jesterace> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and scroll down in it untill you find screen modes and put "1280x1024" before "1024x768", you'll have to sudo to have permission to edit it
<LinuxJones> gangalino, dpkg doesn't do dependency checking for .debs you download (what package are you trying to install?)
<membreya> gangalino: sudo apt-get install graveman
<EsK> alrighty then
<pagefault_> I was wondering if anyone knew how to restart vino-server from remote, it seems to have crashed on me and I have no way to restart it
<gangalino> Reading Package Lists... Done
<gangalino> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<gangalino> E: Couldn't find package graveman
<Xappe> gangalino, are you on warty?
<gangalino> I have universe, 6 or 7 repos
<gangalino> yes, WARty
<Xappe> don't think warty repos has graveman
<LinuxJones> gangalino, apt-get update first
<Amaranth> is there a backport?
<echnaton> where can i find nice ubuntu wallpaper?
<Amaranth> echnaton: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar :D
<zooko> So, um, how do I print?
<marcin_ant> hi
<Amaranth> zooko: File->Print in most apps...
<zooko> I just plugged in my new laser printer.  lpr says lpr: error - no default destination available.
<Amaranth> zooko: cups?
<zooko> I ran the postscript viewer and loaded a .ps and chose file->print and it said something like "couldn't run the print command"!.
<action099> echnaton, apt-cache search ubuntu-calendar with the month, e.g. ubuntu-calendar-march i mean
<zooko> I ran "cups" and it said "command not found".
<Amaranth> zooko: hoary?
<echnaton> Amarath: I made it! And where are the wallpaper?
<zooko> I googled "ubuntu print".
<zooko> Yes, hoary.
<Amaranth> zooko: System->Administration->Printing
<Amaranth> add your printer in there
<zooko> Thanks!
<marcin_ant> I got desktop with 3 nic's eth0 - internet, eth1 - lan  with routing configured and I bought wireless nic - wlan0 for desktop to enable internet on my laptop...
<marcin_ant> could someone help me and tell how to configure wlan0
<wanama> hi to all guys!!!
<wanama> a little question
<Amaranth> can one wireless card talk directly to another one?
<Amaranth> i thought you needed a wireless router
<marcin_ant> that it could behave as access point for my laptop?
<gangalino> graveman is already the newest version.
<gangalino> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
<gangalino> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
<wanama> does anyone have a working configuration with evolution/gmail account?
<mina_linux_Tux> hello may i ask what is the default root password for the ubuntu live CD
<echnaton> how to set a root pwd ?
<echnaton> sudo..?
<membreya> is there any way to totally remove ipv6 on ubuntu ?
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: it was a question to me?
<Amaranth> echnaton: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<wanama> i'v tryied a lot of ways but i cant' get the pop server working
<minigamer> greetings people
<Amaranth> marcin_ant: yeah, i don't think you can do that
<LinuxJones> membreya, you can prevent it from loading the ipv6 module
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: I'm sure I can
<mina_linux_Tux> hello may i ask what is the default root password for the ubuntu live CD
<wanama> the smtp goes well....
<wanama> but not the pop
<membreya> LinuxJones: just blacklist it ?
<Amaranth> marcin_ant: They why are you here asking about it? :P
<minigamer> does anyone know about the ppc live cd?
<raydogg> how do you add items to the menu ?
<zooko> So system->Administration->Printing opens a window with an icon of a printer named "New Printer".
<zooko> When I try to "add a printer" I get an error msg:
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: because I got simmilar configuration working on windows
<Xappe> mina_linux_Tux, there is no pure root. but the password you need on ubuntu live is: ubuntu
* Amaranth 's brain shuts down
<raydogg> I used to be able to right click to add an item to the menu, but now that option doesn't exist
<wanama> please someone give me an answer
<zooko> Failed to run-- '--' 'gnome-cups-add': Child terminated with 1 status
<LinuxJones> membreya, no
<mina_linux_Tux> Xappe: is there a way to saving work on the live CD ?
<echnaton> wanama: when never answers nobody knows
<wanama> the only thread i'v found is this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6850.html
<echnaton> ..it
<LinuxJones> membreya, I am looking for the file you have to modify
<Xappe> mina_linux_Tux, how do you mean? like documents?
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: I configured wlan0 with static IP - 192.168.1.1 and configured dhcp3 server
<membreya> wanama: with your gmail, have you the pop server to be on a secure connection (so it uses port 995)
<zooko> Maybe
<zooko> i should remove this printer that's already here...
<minigamer> can anyone help with the PowerPC hoary preview live CD?
<wanama> yes i've done
<Amaranth> minigamer: nope, never used it
<StarScreem> minigamer: whats up?
<zooko> No, I can't remove it.  Hm.
<lok> does someone tell me HOW I have downloaded a 32 bit driver for a 86_64 ?????
<wanama> the configuration is well done
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: so I thought that it should be "visible" for my laptop as available network - but it isn't
<Xappe> minigamer, what's the problem?
<wanama> i've wrote pop.gmail.com:995
<Amaranth> marcin_ant: I've never hooked two computers together without a router/hub so I can't help you.
<wanama> and alway secure connection
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: ok, but...
<Amaranth> lok: ATI doesn't have an AMD64 driver available yet?
<mina_linux_Tux> Xappe: i mean write a sheel script how can i save it on the Live Cd , can i save it on my normal Disks .. ?
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: you configured clients on wireless lan - right?
<Amaranth> no
<minigamer> ive been testing the various array alpha releases and found that the PPC live cd defaults to 640*480 which cannot be changed, and I wanted to know if this has been fixed in the preview release?
<wanama> anyone has a working configuration with gmail/evolution?
<lok> Amaranth, yes and this is why I ask what does 32bit driver can be downloaded by apt-get
<membreya> i hate evolution, use thunderbird
<LinuxJones> membreya, I think it's /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ....change >> net-pf-10 ipv6 to net-pf-10 off # ipv6
<wanama> i'm using hoary 5.04 preview
<Amaranth> i had a friend bring a windows xp laptop over once that worked with the router my dsl provider gave me
<Amaranth> thats about it
<mina_linux_Tux> Xappe: what is the directories that i can use under root to save work in it ?
<EsK> hey i have a problem here
<Amaranth> lok: file a bug
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: ehhh ok - thanks
<robodex> hey.... small question, is the hoary PR based on GNOME 2.10?
<Xappe> mina_linux_Tux, don't know how that works. I do know that with Knoppix you can use a part of your hdd for saving data and settings...but I don't know how to accompish that...
<wanama> i would use evolution instead....just to know if this is a known bug...
<wanama> :)
<minigamer> i think its the ATI board in the mac mini
<Amaranth> robodex: I'm 99% sure it is.
<Amaranth> tlg: !
<marcin_ant> Amaranth: I'll switch to windows again and'll try to understand why it works there
<minigamer> any ideas anyone?
<mina_linux_Tux> Xappe: what does that means (sucks rocks rules and pwnage)
<tlg> Amaranth: :)
<StarScreem> minigamer: it doesn't default to 640 on mine
<robodex> thanks. I'm installing it currently, but I was just curious. cya
<zooko> Hm.  Any other suggestions about configuring my new laser printer?
<StarScreem> minigamer: i'm 1024
<zooko> Maybe I'll dist-uprade and reboot.  :-)
<minigamer> strange...
<Xappe> mina_linux_Tux, well...
<minigamer> is that the livecd?
<EsK> alright, i re-installed ubuntu about 10 min ago, and i was updating my computer, using the lil thing in my system tray (the one that says u have so-in-so new updates, and when that was done, it logged me out, and i put in my login info, and it didnt load gnome, it just stayed a brown screen, so now, im not able to log into gnome and im in the failsafe terminal
<Myrtti> EsK: how did you update it
<Myrtti> the lil thing does only upgrade
<EsK> yeah
<Myrtti> not dist-upgrade
<Myrtti> so there might be unmet dependencies
<mina_linux_Tux> Xappe: so .. ? any ideas about what i'm aksing about ?
<EsK> well i need something because i hate the failsafe terminal
<zooko> No, no new packages available for upgrade.
<Myrtti> which might result in the behaviour you're having atm
<zooko> sigh
<EsK> not upgrade
<EsK> updates
<EsK> or stuff on my comp
<Xappe> mina_linux_Tux, nope...
<Myrtti> EsK: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<EsK> hold on
<endzyme> hey anyone around
<Myrtti> no
<endzyme> ok
<mina_linux_Tux> doe anyone know ... what does that means (sucks rocks rules and pwnage) pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee :) ?
<Myrtti> :-)
<endzyme> so why arnt there half as many packages in ubuntu repositories as debians?
<mina_linux_Tux> can anyone know answer me please
<aeolist> what are you asking mina?
* zooko hopelessly tries rebooting as a way to get his new laser printer configured.
<Myrtti> endzyme: because they haven't been transformed to fit Ubuntu yet
<endzyme> ?
<endzyme> meaning
<wanama> anyone with my same gmail evolution/gmail problem?
<Myrtti> some debian packages might work straight out-of-box in Ubuntu
<Myrtti> but not all
<Myrtti> so they need to be readjusted
<Myrtti> that's why there isn't as much packages
<Myrtti> and besides, some of the stuff is ... well..
<endzyme> on the ubuntu site they say that the packages are almost identical and they hold many of the,m
<Myrtti> how can I phrase this nicely...
<endzyme> but i cant even find VLC or some kind of real player
<Myrtti> that's because of restricted formats
<back_east> wanama: What's the question?
<Myrtti> the real player thhh...
<endzyme> proprietary stuff?
<Myrtti> yeah
<endzyme> yeah thats what i thought
<endzyme> :-?
<Myrtti> so you need to fix your repositrories
<Myrtti> sorry, I'm getting dizzy
<endzyme> ?
<endzyme> adding deb sources?
<Myrtti> hold on, maybe someone else acn help you wihle I put my head between my knees
<back_east> wanama: I'm using gmail with evolution with no problems
<membreya_> just me, or has preferences and administration swapped places in the system menu of gnome ?
<endzyme> you sick?
<Chipzz> membreya_: it has
<Chipzz> membreya_: read the changelog, maybe? :)
<Myrtti> endzyme: bad salad
<Myrtti> I regret that hamburger already
<Myrtti> or did at the restaurant
<membreya_> change...what now ? :P
<endzyme> delicious
<endzyme> Since Myrtti is dying can anyone else help me with my package problem
<flawd-afk> if I have my /home on a separate partition, and when I install ubuntu mount it as /home and then create a user like foo and have a /home/foo allready, will ubuntu overwrire /home/foo when creating the new user?
<endzyme> that sounded odd
<EsK> alright what was that command
<Chipzz> membreya_: zless /usr/share/doc/gnome-panel/changelog.Debian.gz
<EsK> you told me to put
<Myrtti> membreya_: help him with universe/multiverse thing
<Myrtti> dist-upgrade
<AnguS> haha
* Chipzz enlightens membreya_ about the virtues of documentation :)
* wland re all
<EsK> E: Not locked
<EsK> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
<EsK> E: Unable to lock the list directory
<EsK> fujck this im going back to fedora
<AnguS> my sarge is fucked up, dist-ugprade didnt work very well
<EsK> later
<mina_linux_Tux> Can i use Ubuntu live CD to save my work .. i'm mean can i save and after rebooting it still remaining .. ?
<endzyme> well i gots to get going soon so anyone have any feedback on the package issue
<Myrtti> ok, no more dizzy
<endzyme> lol
<flawd-afk> will ubuntu overwrite users in /home when I install and make a user that allready has a homedir in /home?
<endzyme> if you format
<endzyme> also it probably will have an issue if you try to create the same user
<flawd-afk> endzyme, and otherwise not? I have my home dir on a separate parition and want to mount it. but I need to recreate the user
<Nox> If I install enlightenment.. How can I use it?
<petemc> flawd-afk: you have an option to keep existing data on a partition during the install
<endzyme> just cp it somewhere else with a rescue disk
<endzyme> then mv it back
<flawd-afk> yeah I guess I have to
<endzyme> safest way
<Myrtti> endzyme: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<zooko> Has anyone here installed a printer on Hoary?
<endzyme> ty Myrtti
<endzyme> g2g pce
<BiteMeBill> zooko: I think I'm getting the same problem as you..  CUPS server could not be contacted.
<zooko> Maybe my printer isn't supported?  But it is a funny error message for that -- child exited with status 1.
<zooko>  6328 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -F
<BiteMeBill> zooko: I normally get the child 1 error when I give a bad sudo password.
<AnguS> damn
<zooko> Okay, so the first time I try add-printer and give my password, it does nothing, and then on all subsequent times it gives me that error.
<wanama> anyone got a solution for thi issue? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6850.html
<gub> Is there an apt autocompletion for zsh ?
<zooko> Until I restart the cupsd, in which case the next time I do it it does nothing, and then every time after that it gives me that error.
<wanama> i'm still trying bt no success
<Myrtti> AnguS: it is one of the Bad Ideas to switch form Debian to Ubuntu just with apt-get dist-upgrade
<rob> I got Ubuntu on my laptop frot he first time ever! woohoo
<wanama> gmail/evolution with hoary preview
<AnguS> Myrtti: well, it says so on the ubuntu faq pages
<Myrtti> I wonder who has written it there
<AnguS> Myrtti: how would you upgrade
<zooko> Hm.  If I do "sudo gnome-cups-add" on the cmdline, then it prints out ** (gnome-cups-add:7798): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030
<zooko> but then it opens a printer add wizard!
<membreya_> *sigh* ..stupid cpan and stupid perl..not letting me install a module >:(
<Myrtti> download iso, leave /home intact when partitioning and clean slate install
<zooko> Is there somewhere I should be rporting this?
<Myrtti> but that's just me
<AnguS> i can't afford that work on the server :P
<Myrtti> :-/
<AnguS> but, it doesnt have kde, dnome, x and shit, so perhpas i won't have much problems
<AnguS> my pc now has hehe
<AnguS> i just wanted to test the upgrade =)
<zooko> Okay, now i've added a printer, but the ps viewer still says /./...  okay, now the ps viewer has crashed.
<AnguS> what a nice idea :D
* zooko sighs.
<BiteMeBill> zooko: I just ran the sudo gnome-cups-add and got the printer connnection gui
<rob> yo dudes anyone have a laptop here with ubuntu installed>
<rob> ?
<zooko> BiteMeBill: same here.
<rob> Cause I have a trackpad mouse that I would like to adjust when it clicks
<zooko> but now the postscript viewer says "Unable to print:    ".
<zooko> then when i quit the app it crashes.
<Exposure`> hi
<zooko> then the gnome bug buddy asks me a bunch of questions whose answers i do not know, so i quit it and don't bother to send a bug report, so this bug will not get fixed.
* zooko is become grumpy.
<BiteMeBill> zooko: trying to print a test page.
<zooko> Oh well.  lpr works.  :-)
<Exposure`> i'm new to ubuntu, the default hoary glibc contains NPTL doesn't it?
<zooko> So much for this newfangled point-and-drool stuff.
<rob> zooko why not just tell them you have no idea
<AnguS> ok i'm at a point where even apt-get -f install gives errors and doesn't work... what can i try now to fix this?
<zooko> rob: it was a selectbox type thing.  Ihad to choose one of three apps that is a post script viewer, to report a bug against that app.
<zooko> but i don't know which of the three was the one i was using.
<jbailey> Exposure`: For i386, amd64 and ia64, yes.  For ppc, no.
<zooko> and it irritates me that bugbuddy asked me to spend my time figuring it out instead of figuring it out itself.
<Exposure`> jbailey: ok thought so. I need glibc without NPTL
<BiteMeBill> zooko: grrr..  For some reason it's telling me that my printer is stopped.
<membreya_> IPTables::IPv4 won't compile on my PC .. I have a script that automatically imports a set of firewall instructions to ipchains using peerguardian block lists (blocks the people that want to hurt p2p) :(
<rob> zooko: they should have a "no-clue-newb" box :-)
<Exposure`> is there an easy way to do that without breaking all binaries?
<zooko> I guess I'll learn how to print every-other-page with lpr...
<jbailey> Exposure`: Why?
<Exposure`> jbailey: cause i need to run a program which doesn't work with nptl glibc
<rob> vidalinux is not as cool as hoary.
<Exposure`> and i don't have the source of that specific program
<EsK> I AM FUCKING GREAT
<EsK> :p
<EsK> i think i might've fixed it
<jbailey> Exposure`: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 will do the trick you need, but I'd expect that hack to go away after Hoary and Sarge release - it's very much worth the effort to fix the broken program.
<membreya_> weren't you going back to Fedora EsK ?
<sirukin> rad
<EsK> i tried once more and i might've fixed it
<BiteMeBill> zooko: This is strange.  I'm using an HP Laserjet 5 network printer and it won't let me use the hp jetdirect but cups did connect to the printer.
<Exposure`> jbailey: ah thanks.. The program in question is commercial so they have to fix it on their own, i got a copy from school.
<EsK> i had to run rescue mode and run the command dpkg --configure -a
<jbailey> Exposure`: Ugh, is it errno madness?
<jbailey> Exposure`: Do poke them, though.  It's not only going to be Ubuntu/Debian giving them grief.  Many other distros are starting to care less about linuxthreads stuff now.
<membreya_> should i post my question about IPTables::IPv4 in the amd64 forum?
<CarlK> is this still the image that should be used for testing? rsync -azv  --include="*/" --include="*.bz2" --exclude="*" rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 /home/carl/linux/kernel
<HiddenWolf> Is there a way to turn all filenames in a directory to lowercase?
<wanama> anyone has a gmail account working with evolution on hoary preview?
<CarlK> HiddenWolf - what fs type?
<Exposure`> jbailey: according to a teacher i spoke to today there is a newer version but school isn't allowed to pass that one on to its students
<Exposure`> jbailey: but LD_ASSUME_KERNEL works like a charm, thanks a lot mate :)
<rob> nope but i have to set it up today wanama (my roommate needs help doing tit
<hansi_> hey
<jbailey> Exposure`: np.
<HiddenWolf> carlk: xfs
<CarlK> HiddenWolf - rats.  if it was one of the MS ones, there are mount options that mess with case
<CarlK> HiddenWolf, but hang on, I think I have a one line script too
<CarlK> HiddenWolf - this UPPER's them, I thin you can figure out how to flip it
<CarlK> for file in *; do mv "$file" "${file}.temp.smallcaps"; mv "${file}.temp.smallcaps" "$(echo "$file" | tr a-z A-Z)"; done
<HiddenWolf> carlk: thanks
<CarlK> it does it in 2 steps, because on the dumb MS ones that don't respect case, it errors if you do: mv X x
<EsK> if i want kubuntu, do i just go to terminal and put in sudo apt-get install kubuntu?
<wanama> rob: let me know if u have success....i can get the smtp working but not the pop ....
<CarlK> comes back with soem dumb error, so I do: mv X X.temp.small; mv X.temp.small x
<EsK> there is instructions for gmail pop on the gmail site
<arturaz> hi. i just installed hoary and i can't boot it up. grub loads stage 1.5 then spews error 18
<asaf> how can i play APE file in ubuntu (hoary)??
<IrcUsr> does the upgrade from "warty" to "hoary" work well? did anyone have any problems?
<CarlK> arturaz - anythng odd about your config?
<fagun> problem: checking bzlib.h usability... no
<fagun> checking bzlib.h presence... no
<fagun> checking for bzlib.h... no
<fagun> configure: error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package
<CarlK> IrcUsr - I hear it goes smooth
<arturaz> CarlK, nop. just i noticed that fedora's grub worked well, and debian's not :)
<Jesterace> IrcUsr, it goes smooth for me i've done it a few times the only thing that goes on is usually have to reconfigure your X settings since it switches from Xfree to Xorg
<gilbs72> will there be a live-cd? :)
<IrcUsr> Jesterace: that's good, i have a very non-standard X config anyway so i would expect that, the main reason why i'm considering changing to ubuntu is for the 6 monthly releases
<CarlK> arturaz, so one IDE, ext2 or3, menu in /boot/grub/grub.conf (i think that is hoary's default)
<CarlK> gilbs72 - will?  I think there is (or must have missed something)
<Hansiman> there is a live-cd
<Hansiman> I use it at school
<gilbs72> ok thanks... will try it out
<fagun> how do i get this pack: configure: error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package..
<IrcUsr> what is the memory footprint of a plain desktop in x86?
<lobezno> $ ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libXx*
<lobezno> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86dga.so.1    /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86misc.so.1    /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1
<lobezno> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86dga.so.1.0  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86misc.so.1.1  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1.0
<lobezno> why there s not libXxf86vm.so ?
<Xappe> hmm, is this annoying "desktop does not refresh" a gnome bug or an ubuntu bug?
<lobezno> there should be that file like a link to /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1.0
<mjr> Xappe, if I'd have to guess, an X.org bug, possibly with your spesific video driver
<lobezno> and maybe the reason cause I cant compile xserver
<Xappe> mjr, hmm. not a gnome 2.10.0 bug then?
<mjr> Xappe, that's of course possible, but my a priori guess would be otherwise
<Xappe> mjr, i have that bug (i have fglrx), and a friend has the same bug with a nvidia card...
<sophief> nvidia sucks
<Hansiman> I have driver problems with my radeon card
<Hansiman> not that I've tried a lot of things...I just started using linux a few days ago
<AnguS> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
<AnguS> are such errors normal?
<AnguS> in apt-get
<fagun> problem: doing this command: sudo ./configure --enable-debug=full, and error is: onfigure: error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package, any idea?
<sophief> Hansiman which one you got ?
<Hansiman> 9700
<sophief> oh
<sophief> Hansiman got 9000 and 9200, they work perfectly
<Hansiman> pretty much everything 3d laggs
<Hansiman> I can't play tuxracer :p
<mjr> Xappe, ok, so now it's beginning to sound like a gnome bug. But I don't have it :)
<gratuit> Hansiman: yeah, I've had much better luck with nvidia cards/drivers
<Hansiman> ^^ but I don't have the money anyway to get a new card :p
<harvest> hey ppl
<sophief> Hansiman see on ati homepage
<mjr> Hansiman, 9700 doesn't have a free 3d driver, so you'd have to install ati's proprietary driver to get 3d working
<Hansiman> I did....I wasn't sure which xfree version I had
<SiRrUs> hello harvest
<harvest> anyone knows if i can install ubuntu from the Gnome 2.10 live cd?
<Xappe> mjr, i did not have it before (and I never save files on the desktop anyway), but when my friend told me about it I tested to save a screenshot and it wont even appear in nautilus if I don't do a reload in the desktop folder
<sophief> Hansiman http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html
<SiRrUs> harvest sorry no clue
<Hansiman> how do I find out which XFree86 version I have?
<mjr> Xappe, well, I recommend reporting it to either ubuntu's or gnome's bugzilla
<mjr> with spesifics on triggerinbg
<Usiu> Why gimp doesnt work, python-nautilus cause segfault ??
<sophief> Hansiman http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html
<sirukin> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<sirukin> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
<sirukin> I get that when I try to run xmms after apt-get'ing it
<lok> anybody know how in installing the fglrx package, I ve lost the powernow on all kernel that I install with apt-get ?
<monteiro> sirukin : install the package libmikmod
<Xappe> mjr, seems to be a gamin bug
<sirukin> monteiro, thanks
<monteiro> sirukin : np
<Hansiman> how do I install the driver from an .rpm package?
<fagun> problem: doing this command: sudo ./configure --enable-debug=full, and error is: configure: error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package,      any idea? where do i get dzlib dev ?
<deFrysk> fagun, apt-get install dzlib-dev ?
<monteiro> how i put my sound blaster audigy working with 5.1 , anyone knows ?
<deFrysk> bzlib-dev
<philauge> hi
<fagun> no pack finded :/
<kremer> is there any sort of remote login package installed by default on warty?  I installed a box and left it just sitting figuring I'd finish what I need to remotely, and now I'm at work with no physical access to the box and it has no ssh! ack!
<sophief> Hansiman use a rpm distro
<jason> kremer: none by default
<sophief> Hansiman or find a *.deb packages
<kremer> drat.  thanks jason
<flawd-afk> how do I change the X resolution in Ubuntu. I selected wrong at install
<jason> xorgconfig
<jason> sudo xorgconfig
<monteiro> flawd-afk : you've that option on gnome
<maximau1> fwiw, alien can convert and install .rpm packages to .deb on ubuntu.
<flawd-afk> no I can only select 1024x768
<flawd-afk> and what is the root password? I never got to chose one
<flawd-afk> lol
<SiRrUs> flawd-afk there is no root password
<SiRrUs> use sudo
<monteiro> flawd-afk : you can edit xorg.conf or make xorgconfig in root :)
<flawd-afk> no rootpasword?
<SiRrUs> and the pword you gave flawd-afk
<flawd-afk> I didnt give a root password. there was no such dialof
<flawd-afk> dialog
<SiRrUs> flawd-afk does this user have a pword????????
<flawd-afk> I only got to enter ONE user and that was a regular user
<flawd-afk> that user has a password of course
<SiRrUs> and as I have said there is no root pword use sudo
<SiRrUs> flawd-afk perfect
<flawd-afk> SiRrUs, so how do I login as root? I cant?
<kremer> flawd-afk: and that user is capable of sudoing
<LBM> k3b doesn't seem to support burning mp3 as music (in hoary)
<SiRrUs> flawd-afk use sudo
<LBM> any idea which component i need to install?
<kremer> to "login as root" you would log in as your normal user and use "sudo su -"
<hawke_> or better, "sudo -i"
<flawd-afk> ok
<flawd-afk> ty
<Karno> Hey, I heard you can quick boot Hoary, is this true folks?
<flawd-afk> This seems abit weird
<flawd-afk> why not have it like normal with a root user with a password? why is the rootpassword the userpassword?
<hawke_> Karno: Define "quick boot"...
* flawd-afk is confused
<kremer> flawd-afk: I believe it's just an added security precaution
<hawke_> flawd-afk: That's not the root password.
<hawke_> flawd-afk: The idea is to reduce the number of password, for one thing.
<nvashi2> ah maybe cause peole mess stuff up more as rot
<Karno> hawke_: I dunno, I just heard you could "quick boot". I suppose it means to boot Ubuntu quicker.
<Karno> That's all I heard.
<hawke_> flawd-afk: also, "sudo" logs its actions.
<nvashi2> rot -> root
<flawd-afk> so will everything get messedup if I change the rootpassword with passwd?
<hawke_> flawd-afk: Nope.
<flawd-afk> Because I dont like root having same pass as the user
<nvashi2> well it really won't matter
<nvashi2> you will not be logging in as root
<flawd-afk> now it feels like it should
<flawd-afk> yeah well I was abit freaked when I couldnt su to root.
<Anubis> All Yahoo! Services to Support Mozilla Firefox
<Anubis> Wednesday March 16th, 2005
<nvashi2> sweet
<flawd-afk> its fixed and all is good now
<SiRrUs> :)
<Karno> Anybody have the Hoary preview yet?
<Karno> It's awesome.
<SiRrUs> :) yep last week
<Karno> SiRrUs: Isn't it awesome?
<SiRrUs> yeah i like it
<SiRrUs> everything seems to work as well :)
<Karno> How many Windows users does it take to screw in a light bulb?
<EsK> not really
<SiRrUs> EsK ?
<EsK> when i got the universal repo's. all hell broke out
<Karno> One, but it takes him 50 tries.
<SiRrUs> :)
<Karno> Yeah, I'd rather just use the repo's that come with it.
<SiRrUs> EsK mine were ok
<Karno> None of that testing stuff for me this time.
<EsK> got all the errors, and i did exactly what they did to get them, now i get these "failed" messages n shit
<EsK> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
<EsK> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
<SiRrUs> EsK that kinda sucks must be soemthing that is entered wrong
<EsK> thats what i get when i start synaptic
<Karno> Nobody laughed at my Windows user joke.
<EsK> lol
<EsK> thats cute
<SiRrUs> EsK have you reloaded
<EsK> yeah and it gives me a new message
<EsK> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
<EsK> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
<EsK> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
<EsK> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
<Karno> Whoa
<SiRrUs> you probably shouldnt be pasting that in here
<EsK> oh well
<SiRrUs> and why not just # that one out
<EsK> idk, i just did what he ubuntu guide told me to do
<Karno> The one for Warty?
<EsK> i have hoary
<Karno> There's a guide for Hoary now?
<SiRrUs> :) but the guide you read was for warty
<EsK> hell idk
<flawd-afk> how do I install my geoforce card?
<flawd-afk> I did apt-get install nvidia* to see packs
<Fackamato> get the binaries from nvidia.com
<SiRrUs> wgy not just go into synaptic repositories and update them there
<flawd-afk> ok
<Karno> flawd-afk: Goto ubuntuguide.org
<Karno> it tells you how to improve the performance on the card too.
<EsK> i need a coke
<EsK> brb
<SiRrUs> EsK  why not just go into synaptic repositories and update them there
<Karno> That's a good idea.
<EsK> thats what i get from synaptic
<flawd-afk> thanks
<Karno> I notice that the games I used to play on Windows don't run at a playable level on Linux.
<Karno> it's weird.
<zenrox> Karno, are you using wine or cedga
<Karno> zenrox: Now, they've been ported to Linux.
<kqj> what games ?
<zenrox> you have a nvidia card
<Karno> Unreal 2k4 and, Enemy Territory
<Karno> Yeah, Nvidia.
<zenrox> have you installed the driver
<Karno> Yeah
<zenrox> hmm thoes games run fine for me
<zenrox> and my card = fx5200 pci 128mbs
<Karno> It's very strange.
<Karno> Enemy Territory runs, but no sound. And I can't join a game.
<EsK> anyone wanna donate me some more RAM
<Karno> And Unreal 2k4 runs very slowly.
<SiRrUs> zenrox same as mine
<kqj> i run different games, but they also play smooth with nvidia on linux
<zenrox> SiRrUs, you using the 7176 driver
<ssam> esk i got a 128mb sodimm
<EsK> <--pc2100 i believe
<SiRrUs> zenrox same card as yours was what i was saying
<zenrox> pci preformance is fixed in the 7176 driver
<EsK> wait
<EsK> is it pc2100?
<ssam> sodimm is laptop ram
<zenrox> esk its the speed of the ram
<EsK> fack
<EsK> i dont need laptop RAM
<EsK> i want a gig, but i only have 768
<ssam> why do they make ram specs so confuzling
<bluefoxicy> what's confusing about ram
<ssam> anyway 640k is enough for anyone
<bluefoxicy> 16x64
<zenrox> lol
<SiRrUs> ;)
<EsK> 2.5 gigahertz processor with 768 megs of ram is good right?
<zenrox> ya
<bluefoxicy> 16 million, 64 bit density, 128 megs
<zenrox> i am 2.0ghz 516mbs
<bluefoxicy> EsK:  depends on the processor.
<ssam> the pc100s and ddr and 144pin vs 200 pin, sodimm dimm etc
<Amaranth> 1.2Ghz 512MB of PC100 RAM
<bluefoxicy> EsK:  I bet I have a 1.8GHz that'll double or more that
<Karno> I'm 1.1GHz with 196MBs
<EsK> idk
<EsK> how do i check
* bluefoxicy is sitting on an amd64 here >:)
<Amaranth> i'm old school
<Amaranth> :P
<zenrox> Karno, that be why your games are slow you dont have enuf ram
<Karno> Old school is the true school man.
<Karno> zenrox: But they work fine on Windows.
<zenrox> theoes games = ram hogs in linux
<ssam> G4 1ghz and 768 here
<Amaranth> the only game i play would probably work on a p120 so i have more then enough power
<Karno> I'd think Windows would slow the games down, and Linux would speed them up.
<bluefoxicy> Karno:  it's definitely ram
<SiRrUs> this is mine  RAM Usage: 118/1036M
<zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-5-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 2000.295 MHz Bogomips: 3964.92 Mem: 265/504M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 74.25G Free: 25.46G Procs: 88 Uptime: 1 day 17 hrs 38 mins 34 secs Load: 1.53 1.76 1.63  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 1.52G Out: 151.18M
<zenrox> then i am done
<Karno> bluefoxicy: But they work fine on Windows, I don't get it.
<ssam> and supertux is smooooooth
<Amaranth> eek
<bluefoxicy> Karno:  I haven't looked into the architectural differences
<SiRrUs> hmmm
<flawd-afk> #
<flawd-afk> nautilus applications:///System
<Amaranth> zenrox: how did you do that?
<zenrox> Amaranth,  its a script
<flawd-afk> says no such dir
<zenrox> for xchat
<EsK> lemme have that script
<EsK> or w/e
<Amaranth> zenrox: yeah, like moo for mIRC
<Karno> I'm going to just start playing MUDs again.
<zenrox> ya but with out the dll
<bluefoxicy> Karno:  you want at least 256 absolute bare minimum for usability, 512 is the minimum for comfort though.
<SiRrUs> this one is ok to
<Karno> bluefoxicy: With games?
<SiRrUs> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-686, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
<bluefoxicy> like, I could run winxp on a 333mhz celeron with 256M of ram and load openoffice.  It'd crank a bit but it'd be fine.  512 and it'd go easy, no problems
<bluefoxicy> Karno:  no, just computing in general
<EsK> i want that script zenrox
<Karno> bluefoxicy: I'm comfortable with 128MBs man.
<dazed_> is it st. patty's day today?
<Karno> I just found more RAM in another computer and slapped it in.
<EsK> it has be the same kind of ram, or w/e doesnt it
<bluefoxicy> Karno:  you should try and get a bit more ;) 256 should help
<dazed_> its sad i realize that its st. patrick's day just cuz i went to google lol
<bluefoxicy> EsK:  same pinout, lowest speed is used
<flawd-afk> nautilus applications:///System < no such dir?
<Karno> I don't need all that RAM! Haha.
<bluefoxicy> is ubuntu.com down again?
<sirukin> hmmm
<zenrox> bluefoxicy, no
<sirukin> ubuntulinux.com
<zenrox> www.ubuntulinux.org
<Karno> lol
<zenrox> Amaranth, accept
<Karno> Anybody else watching DS9 right now?
<zenrox> i wish
<Amaranth> zenrox: can't
<zenrox> why not
<Amaranth> zenrox: I don't want it that bad anyway
<SiRrUs> lol
<zenrox> oh
<Amaranth> because i don't even see a DCC here
<zenrox> Amaranth, you can get it from xchat.org too
<Amaranth> meh
<zenrox> and the script does work with iirc
<EsK> -p
<zenrox> esk yes
<raydogg> how come they only have mysql 4.0.* on the repository instead of 4.1.*
<EsK> idk
<EsK> how do i put it in
<flawd-afk> how do I edit the gnome-menu?
<dazed_> flawd-afk...i get the same error of missing directory on Hoary but not on warty...what are u on?
<flawd-afk> Hoary
<flawd-afk> :P
<SiRrUs> flawd-afk dont think you can if your using gnome 2.10
<dazed_> i think its a hoary thing then...
<zenrox> esk click window then scripts and then find that script and click open
<flawd-afk> ok
<zenrox> then to run it you trpe /sys -p
<zenrox> type even
<brrrt> hello all !
<Karno> Hello
<EsK> i kno that
<EsK> like how do i put it all in here
<EsK> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz 2486.640 MHz Bogomips: 4931.58 Mem: 595/757M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 35.17G Free: 31.65G Procs: 78 Uptime: 1 hr 20 mins 47 secs Load: 0.02 0.14 0.16  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1024x768 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 117.42M Out: 3.39M
<brrrt> could anyone tell me what graphics card i need to use tv-out and monitor at the same time ??
<zenrox> brrrt,  nvidia cards
<brrrt> because my nvidia geforce is switsching to blach when i activate tv-out
<brrrt> i mean black#
<zenrox> EsK, why not use linux-686 kernel
<EsK> i couldnt find it
<zenrox> insted of the 386
<zenrox> EsK,  do a sudo apt-get install linux-686
<brrrt> zxy: my monitor gets black when i activate my tv-out
<brrrt> zenrox: my monitor gets black when i activate my tv-out
<zenrox> brrrt,  check out #nvidia
<brrrt> ah
<zenrox> thay will help you
<SiRrUs> EsK 2.6.10-5-686 seems to be pretty good
<EsK> wait wait wait
<brrrt> zenrox: thx!
<zenrox> brrrt,  n/p
<dazed||lap> hey wahts the easiest way to check your ram...i have forgotten how much i have?
<EsK> whcih display manger should i use, im installing kubuntu
<EsK> gdm or kdm
<zenrox> dazed||lap, open system montor
<zenrox> kdm
<dazed||lap> esk: kubuntu installs kde
<dazed||lap> and ubuntu installs gnome
<SiRrUs> dazed||lap top will show you
<EsK> well its asking me which default display manager to use
<zenrox> esk kdm
<EsK> okay ty
<zenrox> kde display manger
<EsK> didnt know
<zenrox> gdm= gnome display manger
<boris> hello! how do i update all the packages installed from 4.10 to the current packages?
<EsK> apt-get
<Chester> hola
<EsK> or like
<EsK> synaptic
<Chester> hi
<EsK> somethign
<zzyber> where can i read more about release 5.04?
<Chester> i have a big problem
<zenrox> boris,  sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<Chester> where is the file lilo.conf??
<zenrox> Chester, in /boot
<brrrt> in /etc
<deFrysk> Chester, ubuntu uses grub
<Hansiman> how do I install a driver I downloaded from ati.com that's in an rpm package?
<EsK> cant
<deFrysk> Hansiman, use alien
<EsK> wrong window
<zenrox> Hansiman,  read the wiki page on restricted formats
<deFrysk> get fakeroot and alien
<Chester> i am usin a livecd
<Hansiman> and how do I open alien?
<deFrysk> Chester, a cd is read only ;)
<deFrysk> good luck installing something on a cd
<brrrt> Hansiman: in a shell type: alien yourdriver.rpm
<brrrt> Hansiman: if you dont have alien installed type: apt-get install alien
<IRCsloth> anyone here using KDE in Ubuntu?
<deFrysk> brrrt, hes on a live cd
<Chester> but i want save my system of a mistake
<deFrysk> IRCsloth, I used it with kdm
<Chester> rebuilded a lilo
<deFrysk> works fine
* IRCsloth finds gnome slow on his P4 2.4 with 1GB ram
<deFrysk> IRCsloth, kde is no faster
<bluefoxicy>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
<bluefoxicy> 26252 bluefox   25   0  6264 4984  856 R 39.8  0.6   6:10.65 gam_server
<bluefoxicy>  7675 bluefox   25   0 19452 8888 6384 S 39.2  1.1  71:45.15 gnome-settings-
<IRCsloth> yeah
<Hansiman> ok, alien created a .deb thingy...what do I do with it?
<bluefoxicy> constantly, nonstop
<brrrt> i find gnome quite fast on  a athlon 1.4ghz
<bluefoxicy> why is this crap eating 100% of my CPU
<deFrysk> Hansiman, dpkg -i blah.deb
<deFrysk> as sudo
<sapphire> hi folks
<Chester> what server speak spanish?
<zenrox> #esubuntu
<IRCsloth> brrrt: gnome is ok, it annoys me that it uses so much ram though
<zenrox> ??
<IRCsloth> XFCE here I come :-)
<dazed||lap> IRCsloth: if u have a decent bit of ram...itshouldnt even matter
<deFrysk> IRCsloth, much ram ?
<zenrox> IRCsloth, linux handels ram differently that wein
<Hansiman> it's locked by another process
<dazed||lap> its not like its a hog
<zenrox> win
<brrrt> IRCsloth: fluxbox uses less ram i think
<dazed||lap> fluxbox is the ultimate
<dazed||lap> lol
<deFrysk> linux uses ram to keep the speed up
<brrrt> IRCsloth: i have "only" ~700MB RAm
<deFrysk> windows has no ram policy whatsoever
<dazed||lap> fluxbox does use next to nothing
<zenrox> linux = fill ram up then use swap /\ win = fill swap up then ram
<dazed||lap> i only have 512 on the laptop it runs fine
<dazed||lap> and im on gnome
<deFrysk> zenrox, way to keep thins slow
<deFrysk> things
<Hansiman> that .deb thing is locked by another process...how do I unlock it?
<brrrt> yes linux kernels memory managment is "AAA"
<dazed||lap> i got 1.24 on the pc and i run fluxbox
<IRCsloth> yeah, gnome runs ok but I'm a picky whore... I want things to fly
<IRCsloth> :-)
<deFrysk> Hansiman, shut down synaptic
<fagun> ok i have cedega and wc3 cd what now? :D
<raydogg> how come they only have mysql 4.0.* on the repository instead of 4.1.*
<sapphire> i have a question about getting connect tothe internet,  one of my computers crashed and now i can only use windows,  i have to write down what instrustions someone can give me, please help if youcan
<zenrox> deFrysk,  but i dont even touch my swap witch is 1/2 of my 516mbs of ram
<dazed||lap> IRCsloth if ur really picky about ram usage fluxbox is the way to go i love it and it uses hardly nothing
<deFrysk> zenrox, that is very good
<fagun> sapphire:  pppeconf ?
<Hansiman> well...it almost worked
<IRCsloth> yeah, fluxbox is a PITA though :-)
<Hansiman> now I got an error
<dazed||lap> PITA?
<PacoBCN> Gnome/Ubuntu bug reported: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=97574#post97574
<PacoBCN> anyone else?
<IRCsloth> Pain in the ass
<deFrysk> Pain in the Ass
<dazed||lap> ahhh
<IRCsloth> :-)
<deFrysk> tss :/
<dazed||lap> yeah...but once u get it configged its the easiest thing to use
<IRCsloth> true
<Hansiman> "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)"
<dazed||lap> even when i was on windows i was running a blackbox shell for windows..so i was used to the hassles of fluxbox so when i got on it on linux it was next to nothing to get set up :)
<IRCsloth> anyway, I guess I have some work ahead of me :-)
<EsK> i got kubuntu successfully installed:)
<dazed||lap> good job esk :)!
<Riddell> EsK: using what?
<deFrysk> EsK, good for you
<prego> Weird: my firefox and mozilla and epiphany and galeon at Hoary did display the "ubuntu" default page (/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home) with crappy fonts despite my effors on defining bitstream-vera fonts for everything. Then I install msttcorefonts and it displays smoothly now; eventhoug I have not been able to find a font type specification in the document.
<boris> we torno dopo
<EsK> what do you mean riddell
<Riddell> EsK: how did you install it?
<deFrysk> Riddell, iso
<EsK> synaptic
<dazed||lap> kdm or gdm
<deFrysk> of course
<Riddell> EsK: ok
<zzyber> where can i read more about whats new in release 5.04?
<deFrysk> zzyber, its not officially out yet
<brrrt> Hansiman: have you checked out : http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/
<dazed||lap> time to check hoary updates
<SiRrUs> zzyber take a look at the channel topic
<deFrysk> zzyber, you can read that at about april 6
<brrrt> you will have to exit X in order to install videocard drivers, aik
<kama> hello
<IRCsloth> any fluxbox user know what theme this is : http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/ikaro_fluxbox2.jpg
<zzyber> deFrysk, but there is a preview release now, there must be some "whats new" information also ............or doesnt it?
<deFrysk> zzyber, true
<zzyber> SiRrUs, yes im downloading it but i want to read about it
<brrrt> IRCsloth: checkout: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/themes.php
<deFrysk> zzyber, topic
<IRCsloth> thanks brrrt
<SiRrUs> :) as I said topic
<robodex> hey... I'm having a problem with the Hoary preview... whenever I try ctrl+alt+backspace (to restart X) it doesn't reload
<deFrysk> zzyber, and what SiRrUs said
<deFrysk> robodex, gdm , gnome ?
<SiRrUs> robodex did you install the preview freshor update to it?
<brrrt> robodex: maybe its deaktivated in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<dazed||lap> whose good with network problems in here?? espescially between two ubuntu systems???
<robodex> this is a fresh install from the PR CD, and I installed all updated (although it did the same thing before updating)
<brrrt> robodex: # Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><BS> server abort sequence
<brrrt> # This allows clients to receive this key event.
<brrrt> #    Option "DontZap"
<brrrt> #
<zzyber> deFrysk, yes the topic i telling that a preview release at releases.ubuntu.com/hoary but where is there some information about the release?
<deFrysk> zzyber, as I said ...
<robodex> that'll make it so it'll restart the x server?
<deFrysk> wait till about april 6
<brrrt> robodex: is this line is uncommented...
<robodex> lemme check
<dazed||lap> anyone good with network situations in here?
<nubbe> Is there any good ftp-server with a good gui?
<brrrt> robodex: to restart you need to: /etc/init.d/gdm restart   if gdm is your display manager
<robodex> DontZap isn't even in my xorg.conf...
<robodex> brrrt: in warty I was able to just do ctrl+alt+backspace, though
<brrrt> robodex: then ctrl-alt-bs should work :(
<numb> what's the packet with the mp3 decoder?
<SiRrUs> zzyber the topic says www.ubuntulinux.org I think there is a link there that will explain more
<mdz> robodex: you mean that ctrl+alt+backspace does nothing, or it stops X and it doesn't start againA?
<mdz> s/againA/again/
<robodex> it stops x and won't start again
<mdz> robodex: ok, there is a bug open about that
<nubbe> my X only restarts occasionally
<robodex> ah, so the only solution atm is not to do that?
<mdz> robodex: well, most of the time (and for most users) it works, but sometimes it doesn't restart
<mdz> robodex: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7753
<deFrysk> numb, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<zzyber> SiRrUs, yes a link to the download but i found some information at http://lwn.net/Articles/127141/
<mdz> robodex: you can add yourself to the CC list for the bug, and add any information you might have which could help us diagnose the problem
<robodex> k, I will do that
<numb> deFrysk, tnx
<fagun> how do i update my radeon9800 drivers?
<fagun> query please :)
<robodex> hmm. apparantly it doesn't do it from kdm
<brrrt> fagun: check out: http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/
<nubbe> no gui ftp-servers then?
<deFrysk> robodex, use kdm on kde and gdm on gnome
<Hansiman> how do I know which of 4.1, 4.2, or 4.3 I need of the XFree version?
<Hansiman> I checked that check.sh thing, but it never said anything else than 4.X
<mdz> Hansiman: ubuntu 4.10 (warty) uses xfree86 4.3.0
<Hansiman> ok
<EsK> alright, im trying to change my resolution to 1280x1024, and im editing my xorg.conf, and where am i supposed to put "1280x1024" at, there are like 5 places where u could put it
<Hansiman> but that rage3d site only made me more confused on installing the driver
<Jesterace> EsK,  what color depth are you going to run it at?
<Jesterace> i add it to all 5 just for good measures
<robodex> brb
<EsK> it says the defualt depth is 24
<EsK> what depth should i run it as
<deFrysk> 24
<EsK> alright
<Jesterace> 24
<deFrysk> probably
<deFrysk> if not sure use 16
<EsK> alright
<deFrysk> and make a backup of the original
<deFrysk> just in case
<ompaul> deFrysk, that would be the hole hawg mentality :)
<sirukin> when can I/we/blah expect the xchat 2.4.2 version to be available?
<sirukin> that is unless someone cares to offer me a repository that has it
<deFrysk> ompaul, translate to dutch please ;p
<ompaul> http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html
<Myrtti> <irssifan>Who needs xchat anyway?!</irssifan>
<ompaul> deFrysk, that was for you :)
<ompaul> deFrysk, and in English as well
<deFrysk> sirukin, get the rpm, alien it and install it
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<ompaul> Myrtti, the answer to "Who needs xchat anyway" == !"irssifan"
<Myrtti> ompaul: BS :->
<sirukin> mmm
<robodex> hmm. now for a really silly question. how do I enable shadows and such in gnome? ;)
<sirukin> A smaller tool is dangerous too, but for a completely different reason: it tries to do what you tell it to, and fails in some way that is unpredictable and almost always undesirable.
<sirukin> HERE HERE!
<Hansiman> can anyone explain to me a litte closer on how to install the Radeon9700 driver?
<Hansiman> I've only used linux for a few days, so I don't know much about it
<EsK> sweet
<zzyber> how can i see what version of ubuntu im running?
<EsK> about
<dazed||lap> can anyone help me config my network between to ubu systems?
<EsK> is there anyway to change the defualt font for kde
<ompaul> EsK, > cat /etc/issue  <  that does the trick
<EsK> what are you talking about
<ompaul> EsK,  that was for zzyber :(
<zzyber> ompaul, okey thx
<EsK> oh, i was jw cuz u had the EsK thing before it
<dazed||lap> anyone hep me set up network?
<Myrtti> dazed||lap: what kind of help do you need?
<Myrtti> pretty hard to help if I don't know even can I help
<dazed||lap> well...i have 2 ubu systems (laptop-hoary, and PC - warty) and they cant seem to find eachother they find their own shared folders but not eachothers
<EsK> any way to change the default font for kde?
<haribo> Aloha
<deFrysk> EsK, kcontrol
<deFrysk> appearance and themes
<dazed||lap> they are on the same work group and seperate hostnames...and the PC can pick up the laptops shared folders when laptop boots in windows
<deFrysk> fonts
<Myrtti> dazed||lap: how are you sharing the files
<dazed||lap> samba
<Myrtti> wrong answer
<Myrtti> there is a better way of doing it
<dazed||lap> what do u suggest?
<robodex> again, how do I enable shadows and such in gnome?
<Dreamer3> ok, is there some reason that ubuntu's sed doesn't support -i?
* Dreamer3 sighs.
<zzyber> ompaul, im running Development Branch "Hoary Hedgehog". Is that the same as the 5.04 preview release?
<optika> Dreamer3: er, my install seems to support it.
<Dreamer3> optika: warty?
<optika> Dreamer3: hrm, maybe not ... I'm halfway through an upgrade :)
<Dreamer3> optika: i see
<Dreamer3> this is really annoying
<Myrtti> dazed||lap: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/
<ompaul> zzyber, hoary has developed beyond that point
<Dreamer3> i don't know a faster way to change a bunch of files
<ompaul> zzyber, have you kept up to date with updates?
<Myrtti> dazed||lap: "You don't need Samba to share directories between two Linux computers. You can use NFS."
<zzyber> ompaul, yes
<johso> Does anyone have a Radeon card with working 3D acceleration and mplayer working?
<ompaul> zzyber, then I would figure you at that point and beyond it
<dazed||lap> Myrtti: ok ill check out that link...i only did what was told on ubuntuguide.org thanks
<optika> Dreamer3: for f in * ; do sed ... < "$f" > mooooo ; mv mooooo "$f" ; done
<Myrtti> dazed||lap: np
<optika> Dreamer3:  *shrug*
<Myrtti> dazed||lap: HIH
<dazed||lap> is amazing!
<johso> 'cause since I got my 3d acceleration working, mplayer lags or does not go fullscreen...
<dazed||lap> have u seen them live?
<ompaul> zzyber, when you track development models they do that - (change that is)
<zzyber> ompaul, probably hmm, i was hoping for a new "fresh" release with openoffice 2.0
<ompaul> zzyber, I have not done that to any of the boxes I deal with
<dazed||lap> Myrtti: on that link it doesnt say how to use NFS lol..just that you can use it any ideas?
<ompaul> zzyber, I will do it now and when done as long as it works I will tell you what I did
<Dreamer3> optika: thanks, i didn't use it as is, but a variation... perfect
<Dreamer3> optika: you don't have to < into sed because it takes the filename as a parameter, though what you typed might not hurt
<optika> ah, right.
<ompaul> zzyber, the box I will do that on is in use - should be free in 15/20 mins
<Myrtti> none, but search will help you, nevertheless. I've never needed nfs, our home LAN has always consisted on atleast one Windows based machine
<dazed||lap> i think i need nfs-common cuz when i goto shared folder properties it only has the option of sharing 'smb'
<EfaistOs> i added the universe to have the pkgs from debian ... but what version of debian pkg i have ? woody, sarge or sid ?
<Myrtti> EfaistOs: say what?
<EfaistOs> i need gtkpod which is in version 0.88 in unstable of debian ...
<Myrtti> universe to have the packages from debian?
<optika> Dreamer3: what version of sed is it that you have? This is intriguing me :)
<Dreamer3> optika: i dunno, one sec
<EsK> back
<EfaistOs> Myrtti, i added universe in my sources.list
<EfaistOs> to have access to debian pkg ...
<Hansiman> can anyone explain to me a litte closer on how to install the Radeon9700 driver?
<Myrtti> ok, that's a new way of doing it
<psai_> are there gui dvdripper available in hoary
<EfaistOs> Myrtti, so ?
<Myrtti> no, nothing
<EsK> can someone buy me a better video card
<sirukin> google for Open Graphics
<monteiro> where can i get w32codecs.deb ?
<numb> deFrysk, i've tried that, but when i'm trying to install it, it says that it's missing libmad0 and libid3tag
<zenrox> monteiro, add the repos marlette @ www.ubuntuguide.org
<hawke_> monteiro: marillat
<ompaul> monteiro,  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
<deFrysk> numb, dig you get the universe repo ?
<zenrox> just like thay said
<monteiro> ompaul , hawke_ , zenrox : when i put the repository it says wrong keys :(
<zenrox> monteiro,  ignore that
<zenrox> monteiro,  at least thats what i do
<numb> and i can't install them, i've download them but i can't install, i do ./configure , and when i'm gona do "make" it appears an error
<deFrysk> numb did you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats properly ?
<zenrox> numb,  got all the dev packages for that program
<da_bon_bon> tritium: hiya
<monteiro> zenrox : ok, yks :)
<tritium> hi da_bon_bon
<neighborlee> anyone else seeing spotty X crashes in hoary...i've seen it with firefox ( although now much less since I use firefox from mozilla's site) and now just last night with xchat running.  I realize this is 'hoary' but wanted to make sure it wasn't me somewhow and my hardware ( doubt it as XP does not seem to display this behavior)
<zenrox> neighborlee,  its hoary devel it will be fixed soon
<ompaul> deFrysk, wrt patents have you seen this > http://www.kde.ie/patents/briefing  <
* ompaul wonders if there is a #ubuntu-europe :)
<myk> does anybody in here use fceultra for NES emulation?
<neighborlee> zenrox, ok thx I def. .suspected as much...np I just wanted to be sure ;-))
<neighborlee> zenrox, i'm happy to be part of the development cycle ;-))
<zenrox> lol
<neighborlee> muahaha-ahah
<KudDa> need help ... just install ubuntu ... but my mouse don't work
<neighborlee> KudDa, what kind of mouse
<KudDa> serial
<KudDa> how to configure mouse port?
<deFrysk> ompaul, unfortunately we have a bunch of dodo' s in the E.P.
<neighborlee> KudDa, I wonder if its a weird non supported one as typically ubuntu has great HD recongition...that or somehow it just didn't grab it right during install...try to reconfig maybe at: system > prefs> mouse ?
<neighborlee> HD/HW
<KudDa> i tried, the only thing i can configure is clicking option
<ompaul> deFrysk,  given that they can read English just point them to it say that the Irish are educating their MEPs and you would not like them to do something that would have them so ashamed they could not look a software developer in the face again ...
<zenrox> KudDa, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86
<zenrox> manualy type in the port the mouse is at
<ompaul> deFrysk, or sysadmin etc
<deFrysk> ompaul, read this ? http://swpat.ffii.org/
<ompaul> deFrysk, for the last couple of years
<deFrysk> its time to start a patent office I guess :s
<deFrysk> i have to go , see ya
<Fl-i-nT> hi all
<ompaul> hello one
<KudDa> how to edit xfree86?
<Fl-i-nT> i jsut got the CD's and installed ubuntu *x-mandrake suer*
<KudDa> i'm working with no mouse here
<Fl-i-nT> KudDa, how do you manage that lol
<ompaul> KudDa, in a terminal (ctrl-alt-F1 or F2) you will type cd /etc
<ompaul> then you will look type sudo nano  XF86Config-4
<LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, how you like it so far ?
* ompaul reads Fl-i-nT's comment again and figures out that suer is user Doh!
<KudDa> ok ... i'll try
<Fl-i-nT> LinuxJones, urm i dont know as i am 14 and new to linux i only stayed on mandrake 10.1 fro like 4 days i am as newbi as you get lol anyway the first thing i realized is that the installation was more textbase than the visual way in mandrake
<ompaul> KudDa, good luck
<ompaul> luck == opportunity and preparation
<ompaul> KudDa, take your time - and back up any file you intend to edit
<[-Soultrance-] > somebody save me ! lol
<mastertet> Hello, if I install hoary preview, when the final version of hoary comes out, will I be able to update just by using apt-get or will I have to reinstall the final version?
<KudDa> ok
<ompaul> [-Soultrance-] , from what death by breaking windows?
<[-Soultrance-] > I installed the nvidia drivers, no problems, but couldn't increase me res like I wanted, so I was told to apt-get xserver-xorg
<[-Soultrance-] > that was all fine and dandy untill I rebooted, then gnome wouldn't load
<EfaistOs> I have a little problem with gtkpod ... i plug my shuffle and when it tries to write some files on /media/Q98 it says that I can't write on it ... how to change that ?
<ompaul> mastertet, you will just edit the lines in sources.list and you will at one with hoary
<[-Soultrance-] > I've run md5sum on both my xorg.conf and xf86conf files
<[-Soultrance-] > and run dpkg-reconfigure on both to no avail
<[-Soultrance-] > I'm in hoary btw
<ompaul> gawd I was close
<mastertet> ompaul: I have to edit source.list even if I install hoary preview?
<[-Soultrance-] > I was told to find .xinit and edit it to include the full path to gnome-session, but I couldn't find .xinit to edit, lol
<[-Soultrance-] > nor could I find .xinitrc, which was also suggested
<ompaul> mastertet, does your preview file say please edit me whenever they release the final version?
<IrcUsr> is there an opportunity to apply changes to xorgconfig during the installation?
<[-Soultrance-] > if I run startx I get the grey screen and terminal window
<[-Soultrance-] > but I can't run GDM
<ompaul> IrcUsr, not that I remember from the last few I did (warty and hoary)
<LinuxJones> [-Soultrance-] , did you have a working XF86Config-4 file in Warty ?
<[-Soultrance-] > yep
<[-Soultrance-] > when I installed xorg it stopped working, lol
<Dakko> If I upgrade from Warty to Hoary, will I have to re-install ndiswrapper and its drivers/configuration?
<gub> how can i get the completion for apt make ... with zsh ?
<goxy> im stuck with intel 536ep help me
<LinuxJones> [-Soultrance-] , make a backup of the xorg.cfg and rename the XF86Config-4 file to the xorg config file
<mastertet> ompaul: I'm asking cause Ubuntu is presently not installed, I run gentoo at the moment and I'm not in love with the time it takes to compile everything...
<goxy> i compile the module intel536.ko
<goxy> inser it but
<goxy> modem not works
<[-Soultrance-] > I think I have modified both since I started jones
<[-Soultrance-] > like a tool
<ompaul> mastertet, well apt-get is just so much more "more"
<mastertet> :)
<LinuxJones> [-Soultrance-] , well it's worth a try :)
<ompaul> mastertet, I actually doubt it
<[-Soultrance-] > I don't think there are any problems with those files I just don't think if can find gnome when it tried to
<[-Soultrance-] > *tries
<neighborlee> hey all where the heck do I change my monitor value in xorg.conf ( or elsewhere?) so I can actually get the refresh rate my monitor can actually do.is it a dpkg-reconfig option ? LOL
<mastertet> Is it true that the boot time is very small in hoary? That is one of the things I dislike with Debian... I have a laptop and I reboot all the time...
<goxy> anyone help me to instal intel 536ep
<LinuxJones> [-Soultrance-] , sudo killall gdm the /etc/init.d/gdm start
<goxy> please
<neighborlee> atm i have only have 60HZ but monitor can do at least 85 in 1280x1024 ....
<LinuxJones> [-Soultrance-] , if it works then under session select gnome as the session type
<KudDa> i'm lossss
<ompaul> KudDa, not you are not
<neighborlee> mastertet, much faster yes..;-)
<mastertet> :)
<ompaul> KudDa, now tell us why you think that you are :)
<apokryphos> neighborlee: neighborlee just do a sudo dpok-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<[-Soultrance-] > hmm, okay jones
<[-Soultrance-] > will give it a shot
<flawd-afk> mmmk, when downloading a file with firefox it just doesnt get saved
<flawd-afk> it says it does but it does not exist in destination
<flawd-afk> whatever destination I chose
<flawd-afk> weird
<IrcUsr> goxy: have you done modprobe intel536?
<neighborlee> apokryphos, I tried that but I dont recall monitor offerings...hmff I'll try it again ;-) THX
<LinuxJones> [-Soultrance-] , if it still fails do as I said earlier and rename XF86Config-4
<KudDa> i tried sudo nano XF86Config-4... nothing to edit
<apokryphos> neighborlee: with xorg, they're certainly there.
<LinuxJones> KudDa, are you running Hoary ?
<ompaul> that machine is now ready
<LinuxJones> KudDa, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<neighborlee> apokryphos, yeah I somehow missed it apparantly lol
<mastertet> Any problem with Hoary that I should be aware of before installing it?
<goxy> @irc usr
<apokryphos> neighborlee: you might have not selected the "Medium" option
<KudDa> i dono ... got this cd that said version 4.10 x86 ed
<goxy> yes i insert modules
<mpq> I found a bug with a help file
<JeanJean> If you want to install a new version of ubuntu do you really have to install it again or can you do it like gentoo with the portage
<goxy> module
<mpq> I'm not sure how to explain it
<goxy> and make links
<LinuxJones> KudDa, do cat /etc/issue it will tell you what version your running.
<Niterider> what does apt-getting linux-k7 supposed to achieve...more speed or something else?
<IrcUsr> goxy: is it displayed in lsmod?
<goxy> yes
<apokryphos> Niterider: a CPU specific kernel
<mjb> JeanJean: theoratically you could just change the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary but I heard that would eventualy give some problems
<Niterider> k
<mjb> JeanJean: a new install is certainly 'cleaner'
<JeanJean> ha ok
<goxy> and i make node
<JeanJean> i used gentoo before but i'm sick of compiling every thing
<goxy> and links
<apokryphos> mjb: whoever said that was.....well, lying
<Niterider> on my 1.2 doron i did that, doesn't really seem any faster, that's why i was wondering
<mastertet> JeanJean: same here :)
<KudDa> ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog
<IrcUsr> mjb: really, problems? that was the main reason i was going to start using ubuntu, easy upgrade
<goxy> but with network-admin
<JeanJean> i gonna install ubuntu hoary write now
<LinuxJones> KudDa, you on high speed internet conenction ?
<goxy> nothing happens when i try to connect
<apokryphos> mjb: more likely speaking in ignorance.
<KudDa> 512k
<apokryphos> mjb: an apt upgrade is perfectly fine
<Niterider> should i have tried the i686 one instead
<LinuxJones> KudDa, ok sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
<mjb> apokryphos: I tried it myself a few months ago and ran into some problems, so I had no reason not to believe it
<JeanJean> masrzeret: is ubuntu faster than gentoo ?
<mjb> however it might well be that there has been some cleanup since that time
<apokryphos> mjb: the vast majority of people on here have done it that way. That's a reason.
<sirukin> mastertet, no
<Kamion> mjb: upgrading to a development branch might well have issues, but stable->stable upgrades are totally supported and should be fine
<mjb> Kamion: he talked about installing a new version, which would be hoary
<LinuxJones> Kamion, I havn't seen you in irc in months :)
<KudDa> can u write that again ... i can't scrool :P
<mastertet> jeanJean: I tried Ubuntu warty a few weeks ago, now I'm under gentoo... I don't see any difference!!! I think that the compile everything for more speed thing is overated a lot
<LinuxJones> KudDa, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
<apokryphos> KudDa: heh, why not?
<Kamion> LinuxJones: haven't had much time for #ubuntu ...
<mjb> apokryphos: I'm sorry to have given false information, I wasn't aware that there has been progress in the upgrade process from warty to hoary
<Kamion> mjb: sure, hoary'll be stable soon though
<Niterider> or more to the point, would i see better performance by apt-getting the i686 instead??
<LinuxJones> Kamion, I thought you were one of the developers ?
<Kamion> mjb: and we'd appreciate feedback about upgrade problems so we can fix them
<apokryphos> mjb: there is constant progress; it's in developement :).
<Kamion> LinuxJones: yup
<Kamion> LinuxJones: this ain't the development coordination channel though :)
<KudDa> i can connect to the internet ... but i can't get my mouse to work ... :P ... something wrong with me
<mjb> Kamion: I'm using it right now and I can't complain about hoary at all, it's great work
<LinuxJones> Kamion, ahhh things are coming along great you guys are doing an awesome job !!
<apokryphos> Needless to say ;-)
<mastertet> Can anyone execute sudo ... with their passwd to mess with the config or only the original user setup throw the installation?
<neighborlee> apokryphos, i'm a tad surpirsed there is no GUI to perform this functionality frankly..oh well you take what ya get sometimes <wink>
<Kamion> Niterider: you may well not notice huge performance differences with your usage patterns; if not, I wouldn't worry about it if I were you :)
<IrcUsr> mastertet: i think i read somewhere the first user is the sudoer
<apokryphos> neighborlee: well, yeah; partly because it's not really needed (it does the job, right?). Though mainly I'd imagine because it's really meant to only be done once...
<Kamion> mastertet: in warty, only the initial user or anyone you explicitly add to /etc/sudoers
<mastertet> thanks Kamion
<Kamion> mastertet: if you installed hoary from scratch or updated sudoers to match the new scheme, anyone in the 'admin' group
<KudDa> it said my ubuntu is the newest version ....
<Kamion> mastertet: which is only the initial user by default, so same effect
<mastertet> ok
<LinuxJones> KudDa, the file naming is case sensitive
<neighborlee> apokryphos, sorry I can't give you the former arguement but the later one is easier to say yes to...still other 'easy to use' distros have this functionality built in..dunno about fedora but I know mdk does..( no flames please I realize mdk is typically targeted at NOOB's but still <wink)
<dabi> hmm cant use GParted.. when i strat it first it asks root psw. then it starts loading and closes it self without any warning..
<LinuxJones> KudDa, nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
<apokryphos> neighborlee: you disagree with me that a GUI front-end for it is not needed?
<keffo> sja
<keffo> ops
<spiral> hi
<apokryphos> neighborlee: Mandrake isn't too bad; it's just not Ubuntu. :)
<onEnterFrame> hi guys I have a question
<neighborlee> apokryphos, yes I disagree strongly
<neighborlee> apokryphos, no excuse LOL
<onEnterFrame> I am using my desktop now but I am installing ubuntu on my laptop (yep, right now)
<onEnterFrame> so anyways
<apokryphos> neighborlee: Then it's unsubstantiated. ;-)
<onEnterFrame> my question is about partitioning
<neighborlee> apokryphos, sorry ubuntu is targeted at ease of use so I can' t buy your arguement sorry <wink>
<KudDa> ok... i'm getting somewhere....
<neighborlee> kewl!
<onEnterFrame> ok hang on, am I in the right place to ask questions?
<johso> can  anyone help me with a mplayer prob?
<KudDa> the protocol said "imPS/2"
<apokryphos> neighborlee: I didn't know ease-of-use was a bad thing. :P
<IrcUsr> onEnterFrame: seems OK
<ompaul> onEnterFrame, you do need to get the question :)
<KudDa> how to change to serial port
<LinuxJones> KudDa, tab completion works best when using a terminal ie.. nano /etc/X(tab)/XF(tab)  will fill in the blanks for you :)
<neighborlee> onEnterFrame, depends
<onEnterFrame> hehe thanks... i'll go on
<Niterider> ok...thanks Kamion
<neighborlee> onEnterFrame, just kidding..of course feel free to ask awy ;-0
<queuetue> Are there any good "hardening ubuntu" docs out there?  Although I'm pretty confident in my firewalls and password policies, I'm always worried that I wouldn't even spot a clever rootkit...
<neighborlee> apokryphos, heh
<ompaul> Need to get 147MB of archives.
<ompaul> ohh well
<onEnterFrame> ok so I decided to format the whole thing - I created 2 partitions, 1 formated (NTFS) and 1 non formatted
<johso> guess not
<DoppleGanger> security + ubuntu = oxymoron
<KudDa> can u type that again ...
<onEnterFrame> and installed windows on the formatted NTFS
<goxy> help me with intel 536ep i compile module insert into kernel make links but system cant see it
<Fl-i-nT> Anyone familiar with evolution ?
<goxy> help me with intel 536ep i compile module insert into kernel make links but system cant see it
<onEnterFrame> and I'm currently installing ubuntu on the non formatted one
<DoppleGanger> go goxy
<onEnterFrame> so i came to the point where it asks you to configure your partitions
<ompaul> KudDa, just for your special request: that
<DoppleGanger> ask again
<LinuxJones> queuetue, you can use chkrootkit + aide and run them as a cron job every now and then
<apokryphos> DoppleGanger: I think you mean juxtaposition. Oxymoron would be "secure ubuntu" (by your understanding); oxymoron deals with contrary signification.
<onEnterFrame> and it only shows my deskdrive (the whole thing, with no partitions specified or shown)
<onEnterFrame> and I can't do that cause I already have data on the second partition, and obviously setting a new one will delete everything
<onEnterFrame> more like, configuring a new partition(s)
<DoppleGanger> goxy: sero ackta gamit
<DoppleGanger> never without my permission
<onEnterFrame> I don't have RAID either, so this option is not for me
<goxy> this thing dont works
<onEnterFrame> and the second option, well I'm not sure what it does
<goxy> i insert module make links make node make connection
<Fl-i-nT> I need help on Evolution because my dad email is john@cideo.co.uk andm ine is flint@cideo.co.uk but i get his emails and mine how can i get only mine?
<goxy> i insert module make links make node make connection and nothing happens
<CaKeY> anyone know when nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167  will be available?
<keffo> how do i get icons on my desky? just re-installed
<bestadvocate> hey anyone know where I can find my wireless driver on windows?  I need to use Ndiswrapper
<onEnterFrame> do you guys think I should reboot and abort the installation, and just try it out once again?
<bestadvocate> where does windos store them.
<EeYoRe> hello all any south africans in da room?
<onEnterFrame> are you asking me, bestadvocate? I don't quite get your question.
<dabi> is it possible to change xscrensaver login screen ? :)
<bestadvocate> just wondering if anyone knows where the installed windows drivers get put.
<apokryphos> dabi: Yes. Search for gdm/kdm themes
<bestadvocate> (i just installed on my laptop
<onEnterFrame> so where are the gurus? :D
<apokryphos> dabi: (depending on which login manager you're using)
<dabi> does gdm include xscreensaver?
<dabi> gdm
<apokryphos> whoops, didn't notice the "screensaver" part.
<dabi> lol
<apokryphos> dabi: sorry :). I don't know how you would change that, nope.
<dabi> heh
<dabi> hate orange.. :P tseh..
<onEnterFrame> ahem lol
<onEnterFrame> Hrm :*( too bad no one's helping me succeed with my first linux installation
<onEnterFrame> haha
<onEnterFrame> i guess i'll just abort it and go back to windows, and figure it out later
<josue> Hello,
<josue> anyone knows what happened to Mplayer?
<apokryphos> onEnterFrame: whatever blows your hair back.
<Kamion> onEnterFrame: hmm
<apokryphos> josue: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
<Kamion> onEnterFrame: sounds like a parted bug, but I don't know what would be causing it
<Kamion> onEnterFrame: might be worth you trying a hoary snapshot, if you wouldn't mind; we have a rather newer version of parted there
<flawd-afk> can I add a trash icon to the desktop?
<josue> apokryphos, yes, but what exactly did the violated?
<bestadvocate> flawd-afk good question
<neighborlee> apokryphos, it did not ask about the  monitor
<ompaul> flawd-afk, when it is on the bottom right hand corner of the screen I do not know
<[-Soultrance-] > okay, killall gdm resulted in: no gdm - /etc/init.d/gdm start did nothing
<Jesterace> since gnome 2.10
<Jesterace> it was in the bottom right hand corner :P
<apokryphos> neighborlee: did you select the "Medium" option out of High/Low/Medium
<Jesterace> i like it there
<[-Soultrance-] > evem tried apt-get gdm just for the hell of it and it said no such thing
<onEnterFrame> Kamion, I'll try hoary then.. thanks for your reply..
<neighborlee> apokryphos, I got no such option
<Kamion> onEnterFrame: sorry I can't give you anything more specific
<neighborlee> apokryphos, only keyboard/video/mouse stuff
<Kamion> but it does smell of C/H/S problems to me
<[-Soultrance-] > Now I have no clue what to do, lol
<apokryphos> neighborlee: ok, hold on.
<Kamion> [-Soultrance-] : syntax is "apt-get install gdm", not "apt-get gdm"
<bestadvocate> flawd-afk : read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.1393795212
<Madiba> hello all can i bother a boffin please
<[-Soultrance-] > ug
<[-Soultrance-] > duh
<ompaul> [-Soultrance-] , that would be "sudo apt-get install foo" where the package you want is the value of foo
<[-Soultrance-] > foo ?
<ompaul> [-Soultrance-] , foo is a random file name
<[-Soultrance-] > oh okay
<sic|work> g'day
<Madiba> gday sic
<Fl-i-nT> Does gdesklets work on ubuntu?!?
<[-Soultrance-] > hmm, okay, I go back and try again
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: yest you must install univers packages
<apokryphos> neighborlee: after writing all settings to the file... all options from thereon are monitor-related
<khermans> is there System Restore in Ubuntu? lol...I want to go back to previous version of xorg since it b0rked my sys
<Madiba> can i ask for some advice please?
<DoppleGanger> ha ha
<ompaul> [-Soultrance-] , hence I can give it a value :), emm "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" can help sometimes
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, univers what are they?
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: you must enable universe packages.  Its one of those i believe. I had it installed for a week.  (it was more annoying than useful)  Universe is the Repository in Synaptic
<DoppleGanger> galaxies
<ompaul> Madiba, you can always ask
<neighborlee> apokryphos, Idont get it then...after it wrote DRI settings it exited on me..am I missing something ? ;(
<bestadvocate> FlinT are you running Warty or Hoary?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, sorry, but i dont understand any of those things you just mentioned
<apokryphos> neighborlee: I don't really have any idea then... are you definitely running xorg? Got all the xorg stuff?
<khermans> Anyone that is running Hoary want to update to latest xxerver-xorg package and see if it borks your system?
<ompaul> Madiba, and you most likely will get an answer unless no person in the channel knows the answer (or simular)
<Fl-i-nT> what was the online sources url again?
<sic|work> ok, I have this problem at work and at home so I know its not a hardware problem.  I get I/O errors copying from a read only NTFS partition to my unbuntu partition.  at home I ended up putting the drive on a windows box and xferring the data over the network..all 96Gb blah!...at work I have mounted the windows NTFS partition on my dual boot setup....both home and work I am copying from one dir in my home to another dir in my home.
<neighborlee> apokryphos, unless its a hoary issue..running preview release atm
<sic|work> both yield the same I/O error
<Kamion> khermans: I just released Array CD 7 with that xserver-xorg, and it passed the tests we threw at it
<bestadvocate> Flint start synaptic.  its the "Package manager" in System-Administration
<apokryphos> neighborlee: I very much doubt it; I update about every week or so.
<khermans> Kamion: it screwed my system
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, ok yes done this
<Madiba> ompaul thank you
<neighborlee> apokryphos, im lost then...weird
<bestadvocate> one of the menus should have "repostories"
<khermans> Kamion: it seems thty also just issues a quick fix because the package is 6.8.2-5.1
<ompaul> Madiba, well what is your question, just jump right in and ask :)
<khermans> the .1 makes me think it was a bug in initial release
<Madiba> can i set up my internet connection in linux if im only running the live cd and if i can how do i do it?
<khermans> Madiba: you have a local LAN?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, on the left if so it aint there
<Kamion> khermans: sure, it was a quick patch because -4 and -5 broke the live CD in various ways
* DoppleGanger wonders what Madiba means by linux
<Kamion> khermans: please file a bug with more detail than "it screwed my system" :-)
<Madiba> na ompaul just a dail up here t home
<Kamion> khermans: which version broke for you?
<DoppleGanger> Kamion: it screwed my system badly
<khermans> the one with 5.1
<DoppleGanger> hows that
<Madiba> lol @doppel
<ompaul> Madiba, that depends on how you are connected to the outside world, how do you do that?
<Kamion> DoppleGanger: same question to you, and please elaborate
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: this page describes it better than I do http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
<khermans> it was just released within the last 24 hours
<DoppleGanger> Kamion: tht was  a joke
<ompaul> DoppleGanger, ubuntu? ...
<Kamion> khermans: so in what way did it break?
* apokryphos will be back in a few
<khermans> Kamion: xorg is saying no screens found
<gardion> have any you found you had problems with sound when upgrading from linux 2.6.8 to linux 2.6.10?  I was able to get the sound to finally work but I can't use the mic now.
<DoppleGanger> it no longer plays pr0n he he
<DoppleGanger> ha ha sounds fine to me then khermans
<khermans> Kamion: but this is not correct since it worked fine before i updated
<Kamion> khermans: ok, please file a bug with /var/log/Xorg.0.log or whatever it is
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, thanx ill tell you if i manage lol
<robertj_> I must be missing something obvious, i do an apt-cache search xvidcap and nothing turns up but googling for Ubuntu xvidcap shows a bunch of packages in repos
<khermans> Kamion: ok i will do that, but can you tell me how to revert back in the mean time?
<flawd-afk> wine gives no hits in synaptic
<ompaul> Madiba, okay you can providing you are not running a win modem (even that is possible but would drive a new user around the bend to have to do it every day :))
<tritium> khermans, I looked at ell's xorg.conf last night, and fixed it.  Out of curiosity, can you please:  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep DefaultDepth
<Kamion> khermans: reverting is complicated; I'd rather Daniel had incentive to fix it as soon as possible ;)
<DoppleGanger> configuring X can be tough eheh with a no screen found error
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: dont know if I'll still be round, good luck
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, whats is the url for urpmi becuase i guess i need online sources first hey!
<Madiba> ompaul im using a smartlink modem is that a winmodem
<DoppleGanger> Fl-i-nT: urpmi
<DoppleGanger> = mandrake
<flawd-afk> can i not install wine with ubuntu?
<khermans> tritium: yes, that was the issue
<tritium> khermans, was it "1"?
<khermans> tritium: the error was in fact DefautlDepth of 1 not valid
<DoppleGanger> flawd-afk: why install wine when its much better to drink it
<Fl-i-nT> DoppleGanger, i mean to set up online sources
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: urpmi? whats that?
<flawd-afk> DoppleGanger, seriously. I get no hits on wine when I search on it
<khermans> Kamion: is there no System Restore in Ubuntu ;-P
<tritium> khermans, okay, I've seen that before.
<yonatan> anyone know how i can make 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 2 1 3 4 5" persistent after reboot? (my left mouse button died, so i'm using the wheel instead)
<tritium> khermans, change DefaultDepth to "24"
<flawd-afk> in synaptic
<ompaul> Madiba, you can - but the trouble factor would be very high to do it as something temporary - have you any linux experiance
<DoppleGanger> flawd-afk: search chateau bordoux
<khermans> tritium: well, ok -- i checked my config already but i will look again -- why did this change
<tritium> Kamion, I've seen this twice now, where the DefaultDepth somehow gets set to "1" in their xorg.conf
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, oh sorry it was a thing in mandrake where there was online sources and you could download and install a package from the internet by typing urpmi <package name here>
<Kamion> yes, it broke recently
<flawd-afk> DoppleGanger, right. so is wine available for ubuntu?
<tritium> khermans, I don't know.  I havent' experienced it personally.
<tritium> haven't
<Fl-i-nT> DoppleGanger, so there isnt anything equivelant to urpmi on ubuntu?
<DoppleGanger> yes flawd-afk check other repositories
<DoppleGanger> Fl-i-nT: apt
<khermans> tritium: hehe, im so dumb i didnt notice that the first time i checked the config -- i saw that all my settings were fine and overlooked defaultdepth
<Fl-i-nT> DoppleGanger, ok ok go slowly i am new lol
<tritium> khermans, try it now
<Kamion> khermans: I'm fairly sure it was caused by the upgrade to 6.8.2-5, not by 6.8.2-5.1
<Fl-i-nT> DoppleGanger, how do i set those online sources?:
<Kamion> this is one of the reasons we took -5.1 for Array CD 7
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: it says on that page I sent you
<flawd-afk> oh ok
<ompaul> Madiba, can you get an external serial modem?
<DoppleGanger> check ubuntu website or ask an ubuntu user
<KudDa> i'm back
<khermans> tritium: yes works fine now thanks man
<KudDa> still need help
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: if you like command line installs then look at the second example.
<khermans> Kamion: yes, that's correct
<tritium> khermans, sure :)
<khermans> Kamion: i went from -5, which broke it, to -5.1 -- which was still borked
<khermans> Kamion: so it seems -5 changed my config
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, do i only activate universe or all the others too?
<billy-420> what would be the next best thing to Totem for playing .avi movies?
<tritium> Fl-i-nT, you'll get more packages to choose from if you include multiverse as well
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: leave the default ones on.
<KudDa> my XF86Config-4 said that my mouse is at protocol "inPS/2" ... i wanna change to serial port... what i suppose to replace it with ?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, i only had the CD-ROM as defualt that it
* ompaul looks at wireless link jumping up and down like a soccer supporter with their team in the cup final and the team playing like on the edge of the penalty box and getting nowhere
<khermans> Seriously though guys, i think it wouldnt be hard to write even a simple script that performs System Restore functions?!?  Is there not something that does this already
<barryhoyle> sorry ompaul got cut
<Kamion> khermans: yeah, -5.1 probably didn't fix it up because -5.1 was just a last-minute revert, not anything clever
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, i forgot to mention i only have 56k so does that matter?
<barryhoyle> you were saying
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: EEEK
<ompaul> barryhoyle, not a problem
<Kamion> khermans: you can downgrade, it's just a question of where you get the old packages from ...
<ompaul> barryhoyle, what did you last see?
<Kamion> and it's actually extremely hard to do right
<barryhoyle> winmodem
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, ok i think thats bad hey!
<khermans> Kamion: aren't they still in ubuntu source tree?
<Kamion> khermans: they're not referenced by the Packages index files any more
<robodex> hey, I'm having a REALLY weird problem when loading xmms...
<mikep> *test
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: i dont know. Never tried it.
<barryhoyle> how do find out if modem is a winmodem?
<robodex> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
<KudDa> my XF86Config-4 said that my mouse is at protocol "imPS/2" ... i wanna change to serial port... what i suppose to replace it with ?
<Kamion> khermans: they might still happen to be lying around; there's a stay of execution on deletion
<ompaul>  you can with a winmodem - but the trouble factor would be very high to do it as something temporary - have you any linux experiance - can you get a serial modem even as a loaner?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, so why the EEEK
<ompaul> barryhoyle, you use google :-)
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: I was immagining upgraing a whole cd online via 56k :)
<barryhoyle> ok ill look brb
<mikep> ord
<crimsun> robodex: you need both libesd0 and libmikmod2 installed if you're using the binary-only Nvidia driver
<khermans> Kamion: you know i love ubuntu, but sometimes i want packages outside of uni/multi even -- and i wish i had access to the Gentoo source tree that would install into Ubuntu and solve dependencies
<robodex> crimsun: thanks, I'll try that
<bestadvocate> Flint: gdesklets is only a couple megabites if you restrict the update to that it shouldent take that long.
<khermans> i hate having to go outside and resolve things myself...
<KudDa> please ... anybody ....?
<KudDa> my XF86Config-4 said that my mouse is at protocol "imPS/2" ... i wanna change to serial port... what i suppose to replace it with ?
<crimsun> KudDa: "auto"
<khermans> that way you could have ANY package that was out there...virtually
<ompaul> KudDa, well I would check google after trying "serial" as it might just work out of the box
<robodex> k that fixed it
<ompaul> KudDa, as crimsun said
<robodex> now to see if I can get sound working in amarok...
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, hopefully i will get broadband in around a years time lol
<KudDa> ok... i'll try auto
<barryhoyle> ompaul this is heavy stuff dont know if i can do this
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, what is the latest version of ubuntu?
<ompaul> barryhoyle, do you have any friends who use linux?
<Madiba> no im a lone soldier here im looking for some linux guys in south africa
<ompaul> Madiba, that question stands - and it is still valid :)
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nt Hoary is the unreleased latest version Warty is the latest (and only) official version
<Madiba> no i dont
<Fl-i-nT> so which one do i have lol
<Fl-i-nT> WArty i guess right?
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: i would guess warty.
<ompaul> Madiba, can you tell me if you can get a serial modem?
<factotum> if I have a CD full of ttf fonts, and want to install them to use in X and GIMP, things like that, do I move them to the /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType dir like it says in my xconfig?
<bur[n] er> can anyone tell me what that whole .blah:8080 proxy site is?  i wanna read an article that is taking forever :\
<Madiba> ompaul i could get one at work ,yes
<bur[n] er> factotum: you can just do "nautilus fonts:///" and drag n drop
<cheeby> hello.  I am using the ubuntu LiveCD to check an existing system.  are there any disk utilities on the LiveCD?
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: simple way to check: what does it say right next to the "Applications" button?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, and is there any upgrades for warty or the next upgrade is Hoary
<cheeby> this live CD is pretty impressive.
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, nothing
<ompaul> if you can borrow one and attach it to the serial port on the back of the machine there is a tool on the system -> administration  menu called networking it can detect the modem automagically
<Madiba> lol @automagically
<bur[n] er> cheeby: hoary live or warty live?
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: it doesnt say "Computer"
<bur[n] er> i couldn't get hoary to a gui
<Madiba> will it then install drivers
<cheeby> Bur[n] er, hoary.
<gardion> Has anybody using a mic with ac97 audio and a linux 2.6.10 kernel?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, well yes it does say that
<bur[n] er> i am hoping livecd and install cd merge at some point soon!
<bestadvocate> Flint: well you have warty (in hoary it says Places)
<Kamion> bur[n] er: not enough space, sorry
<Kamion> bur[n] er: the DVD includes both, though
<ompaul> Madiba, it would be good for that to remove the other modem from the machine to lessen the chances of confusion - in fact if it is not a win modem those commands  may just work with it - if they fail go for the serial
<KudDa> nop... still can't use my mouse... any more ideal
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, is there warty v1.1 v1.2 and so on or it goes Warty hoary and so on
<bestadvocate> Flint: there are security updates for Warty (i am not sure how many) and Hoary is the next official version of Ubuntu
<Madiba> ok ill try thanks ompaul where are u ill try see u tomorrow
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: no, warty has had security updates, but no point releases as such
<crimsun> KudDa: warty, I presume/
<KudDa> yes
<ompaul> Madiba, the idea is that you do not need drivers - and where would you install the drivers? onto a floppy or burn the settings onto a cdrom - that is a whole new level of pain for a new user
<bestadvocate> Flint: what you said seccond, warty hoary then perky penguin whatever
<kpdog9> can anyone offer advice on disabling the bells in bash?
<Madiba> ompaul.thaks point taken ill see u tomorrow perhaps
<ompaul> Madiba, well you can give it a shot with your existing modem but I do not hold out much hope
<Kamion> kpdog9: put 'set bell-style none' in ~/.inputrc
<bestadvocate> Flint: hoary isnt due for release for something around a month i guess
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, Kamion thanks
<ompaul> KudDa, have you restarted X since you put in that new line?
<Kamion> bestadvocate: there is no need to guess; the release schedule is public, on the wiki
<ompaul> Madiba, have fun
<kpdog9> thanks Kamion
<Madiba> thanks all cheers
<Madiba> tell any south africanbs to look out for Madiba
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, any ideas how big it is to downlaod or will be?
<bestadvocate> Kamion: im too lazy for that thanks though :)
<Kamion> 6 April
<keffo> guys, i guess some of you install some more fonts etc. what packages do you install then? or do you guys change any settings etc..
<ompaul> KudDa, ctrl+alt+backspace restarts x
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: Not really : you can always cancel the download if its too large
<DaSkreech> Is there a way to fine tune screen alignment in Ubuntu?
<sirukin> crap
<sirukin> I can't watch an avi
<sirukin> and apt-get does not work for mplayer
<robodex> has anyone had any success with getting amarok working? the arts plugin gives me no sound while the gstreamer plugin crashes the program...
<ompaul> emm I said my wireless was flakey  641B/s 1d 13h49m10s
<Fl-i-nT> But how big are they usually around 1000mb?
<sirukin> robodex, I was just going to start on that myself
<bestadvocate> so april 6th is the day I have to change the name in my repositories ;)?
<optika> DaSkreech: xvidtune is an old and crusty app that should be able to do that ... I'm not sure if it's the sort of thing you're looking for?
<ompaul> it jumped to 53kbs andn was down in a jiffy
<DaSkreech> Possibly I'll look at it
<KudDa> yup... i restart the whole pc
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: warty would max out at 100 megs if I guessed. but could probloby be cut down to like 10 megs
<ompaul> bestadvocate,  well check the website first eh?
<KudDa> i tried changing the "imPS/2" to "serial" and my X crash
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, WHAT! Geez  then i could downlaod it over a weekend lol geez this is much better than mandrake i mean for mandrake 10.0 to 10.1 it was like 1600mb big thing
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: same size as any other CD image, pretty much, if you're downloading that
<kpdog9> Kamion - don't mean to sound dumb but .inputrc is nowhere to be found should I just create it?
<Kamion> bestadvocate: er, no ...
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: CD images are about 600-650MB
<KudDa> when i change to "auto" i can load x but still can't use my mouse
<Kamion> kpdog9: yes, create it
<bestadvocate> Kamion: i dont really know I havent used warty ever.
<kpdog9> ty
<bestadvocate> Kamion: he still has the CD why would he need to upgrade the whole thing?
<robodex> AHHHH shit I just realized why my computer was giving me so much grief
<Kamion> bestadvocate: most packages have changed
<LinuxJones> KudDa, I think your mouse needs an upgrade
<jacques> do the provided nvidia drivers work in hoary? with x.org?
<robodex> I somehow changed all my reps to "warty" back from "hoary" >_<!
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: are you talking about upgrading to Hoary?
<Kamion> bestadvocate: for an upgrade over the net, I'd guesstimate 400MB
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, yes when it comes out
<KudDa> 1 thing i don't understand ... when i load live cd, the mouse is ok ...
<Kamion> depending on how much you have installed
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: ok then what Kamion said
<ubuntu> is there an incompatibility with some USB flash drives under Warty?
<Fl-i-nT> 400mb
<robodex> ok now I feel like a dumbass, this is probably why I was having so many problems...
<ubuntu> I have two, an 8MB that works well under both Warty and Hoary, and a 512 that only works under Hoary.
<LinuxJones> KudDa, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SerialMouseHowto
<ompaul> KudDa, this may help http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ch06_01.html
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: would be more if you net install other applications
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, can i install bit by bit like 50 megs here 25 there another 150 here take it over a 2 weeks on off downlaoding or will that not work
<ompaul> LinuxJones, that is better than mine :)
<LinuxJones> ompaul, :)
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: you can use the "just download" option in synaptic and then keep downloading bit by bit.  Or install packages one by one by hand rather than hitting the "upgrade" button
<amiroff> hello guys! does anyone know what kde in hoary keeps updating every day?
<ubuntu> Also, what is the simplest way to upgrade from Warty to Hoary?
<Riddell> amiroff: pardon?
<DarthFrog> amiroff: Almost everything!
<ompaul> LinuxJones, I do not know if you were ever exposed to this on TV " KC Jones" about some guy who 'saved the west' every week - he was a train driver, well confession time every time I see your nick the theme tune comes to mind ....
<altava> ubuntu: apt-get dist-upgrade
* ompaul admits to being sad
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, geez have you ever used mandrake before?>
<blackstar> anyone know the shortcut for switching to different windows 1 thru 4
<ompaul> as in sad git
<Xappe> ubuntu, changing the sources.lst and do a dist-upgrade
<LinuxJones> amiroff, Hoary is a development version (lots of changes) it will become stable in early april then packages will be frozen for the most part from day-day
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: once back in the day of 9.2
<amiroff> sorry, mistype, why kde in hoary keeps updating every day?
<apokryphos> amiroff: because work is being done on it :)
<DarthFrog> amiroff: Because it's still a development version.
<ubuntu> altava, Xappe, thanks.
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: it was my prefered distro. till they droped enlightenment
<altava> ubuntu: ;)
<DarthFrog> amiroff: The Ubuntu KDE team is very active.
<ompaul> who was asking about versions of X Chat eariler
<csj> ubuntu, hi, are you using liveCD now?
<amiroff> DarthFrog: yeah, that is what I did not expect
<DaSkreech> optika: I should be able to get that off Synaptic
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: then I spent some time Doing whatever Distowatch.com suggested
<helio7> hey all; i'm a teacher in a school here trying to get a linux box (ubuntu) to print to a Epson that's usb connected to a Windows XP box sitting next to it.  Samba is installed, and I can browse files on the Windows box, but I get the error "Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR:  Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" help please.
<amiroff> DarthFrog: because kubuntu wiki was so silent
<ubuntu> I'd still like to know why one of my USB drives isn't being automounted under Warty. Seems a silly reason to upgrade.
<optika> DaSkreech: it should be installed with X
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, kool ok now i have marked gdesklets for install ow what?
<apokryphos> ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: hit apply?
<robodex> yay!!!!!!!!! I got sound working in ubuntu using the xine plugin
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, thanks i jsut found out how
<Riddell> amiroff: it keeps updating because we have many chances to make, see the changelogs or hoary-changes for what's updated
<DaSkreech> optika: So it comes with Warty?
<Fl-i-nT> oops you got there before me lol
<optika> DaSkreech: it should, yes.
<kresten> Hi everybody! Does any of you guys (or gals) know how to install new desktop themes?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, do you run gdesklets?
<apokryphos> amiroff: a lot of work has been done on it recently... more sections now.
<DaSkreech> Ok Second question does Warty have ntfs support?
<DarthFrog> Riddell: where can one see hoary-changes?
<ompaul> ubuntu, no it is not a silly reason, if the software you use is stable and it does not do something you _need_ then there is a great chance you need to consider a more bleeding edge version
<blackstar> i'd like to install desktop themes too
<amiroff> Riddell: ok, thanks for info
<helio7> Ok let me ask my Ubuntu--> Windows Printing network/samba question this way: Under HOST: on the printer properties:Connection tab I should put the Windows' name of the computer right?  for some reason I'm getting errors
<Riddell> DarthFrog: lists.ubuntu.com
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, ok i did that then i donwlaoded it then a screen appeared terminal like and it said summit about changing something then it told me to close that window now?
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: *shrug* type gdesklets in consul or something?  maybe there is a button in Applications for it?
<DarthFrog> Riddell: Thanks.
<amiroff> apokryphos: well, the funny point here is that while other KDE distros don't have 3.4 we, "Gnome" people have it already running here :)
<bur[n] er> kresten: blackstar:  gnome-look.org  download a theme... open desktop preferences -> theme, and drag drop the .tar.gz files you downloaded
<bur[n] er> then... reload the "theme" program
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: is it done installing?
<bur[n] er> and you can select them using "theme details"
<Riddell> amiroff: ubuntu is no longer just gnome people
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, do you use gdesklets?
<amiroff> Riddell: absolutely, wery glad to hear that
<gardion> I guess the question is when are the kubuntu people going to release a version?
<gardion> of kde
<bur[n] er> amiroff: is there a kubuntu live cd?  i'm tempted to try it, but i don't wanna install :)
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: did but not anymore
<apokryphos> amiroff: kind of, but like R notes.. it's changing; kubuntu is part of ubuntu. Fedora has rc1 in repos... another distro has full 3.4 too now, I think. Can't recall which.
<gabb> Anyone experienced problems with Multiboot using WinXP/OBSD/Ubuntu on one disk ?
<kresten> bur[n] er: "reload"? Close then open?
<ubuntu> ompaul, but this should actually be working under Warty as well. Seems like a bug, not a missing feature.
<DarthFrog> Riddell: When Hoary is released, will the user have the option to choose either Gnome or KDE while installing?
<Riddell> gardion: give us a few hours and we'll see
<bur[n] er> kresten: yes
<apokryphos> bur[n] er: there is
<alexsmith> How do you edit Gnome's menus?
<bur[n] er> and it works? ;)
<bur[n] er> alexsmith: /usr/share/applications/
<amiroff> bur[n] er: yeas there is, but I just apt-getted kde from Hoary preview
<alexsmith> Thanks, bur[n] er.
<bestadvocate> alexsmith: if you figure that out give me a call
<apokryphos> bur[n] er: it should do, yes. You can post problems in #kubuntu if you have any
<kresten> bur[n] er: ok, thanks
<jacques> any idea why my gdesklets are playing up after upgrading ??
<helio7> anyone ever get the NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED error message when trying to print to a Windows Networked Printer from Ubuntu???
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, ok so when i clikced i nthe menu for gdeskelts it seemed like it was opening at the bottom bar but then disappeared
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: gdesklets should be running in the upper corner next to the volume
<ompaul> ubuntu, why not do the obvious and try the usb key with a live edition of hoary and see if it works
<jacques> sure is. but the displays i "need" don't work
<bestadvocate> does anyone know how to make desktop icons go away from mounted drives?
<jacques> i run sawfish. and now it also can't remember the position of certain desklets
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, well i am blind becuase it iant there
<ompaul> ubuntu, then see if you can make the fix in warty
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: maybe it crashed?
<DaSkreech> Does Warty Ship with NTFS read support?
<Xappe> yes
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, how can i find out if it crashed i tryed opening it agian but nothing happened
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: i dont really know.  I come from windows, when in doubt-restart-
<DaSkreech> Xappe: Was that at me?
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, yeah always restart
<LinuxJones> helio7, aren't you supposed to have a driver for your printer in the Linux box ?
<Xappe> DaSkreech, yep
<altava> helio7: your printer's not share... Right click > share on the win$ box...
<Fl-i-nT> bestadvocate, i am a windows user too lo
<bestadvocate> Fl-i-nT: i doubt its going to fix anything here though
<ompaul> bestadvocate, that is not the way in GNU/linux ubuntu or the bsd world
<helio7> LinuxJones: Yes I'm pretty sure that driver is up and ready...
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, do you have xperience with gdesklets?
<bestadvocate> ompaul: i know :) sometimes it works anyway though :))
<DaSkreech> Xappe: Should it auto mount drives that exist then?
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, not that I know of
<jacques> anybot got a segmentation fault with xmms?
<helio7> ok LinuxJones I added location to the general tab as smb://pcname and now I got a new error message: DEBUG: 1 %%EndFont does that make any sense to you?? or anyone?
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, what does it do
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, shame
<Fl-i-nT> does anyone know a channel with gdesklets fan club is or summit like it lol
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, the programme or what does it do when i open it?
<altava> helio7: smbclient -L win$_IP
<thoreauputic> jacques: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, I am looking on google for info atm back in a mo
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, o good luck lo
<helio7> altava: Connection to win failed
<ompaul> gDesklets provides an advanced architecture for desktop applets -- tiny displays sitting on your desktop in a symbiotic relationship of eye candy and usefulness
<altava> helio7: network setting?...
<LinuxJones> helio7, have a peek here scroll down to almost the bottomg of the page >> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
<jacques> libmikmod2 is already installed
<jacques> worked fine before updateing ;-)
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, yep i couldnt of explained it better
<thoreauputic> jacques: OK, worth a try ;-)  I remembered that was an issue for some people
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT,  I can now say I do not, however I am very interested
<helio7> LinuxJones: ok thank you will do got to go pick up my students from lunch will check back when they're gone for the day (= altava ty also; brb
<jacques> yeah i had that with warty
<LinuxJones> helio7, :)
<flawd-afk> xmms says libmikmod.so.2 doesnt exist
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, it is a very very slick and nice piece of eyecandy but i like it alot
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, --> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=241 <-- will be first I think
<thoreauputic> flawd-afk: see above .. sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, do you know what superkaramba it if so its the same thing
<flawd-afk> oh
<flawd-afk> sorry about that
<nmoore> i have a strange problem in my new install, the menus do not contain any entries, i'd like to logout but i can't find a keyboard shortcut. any ideas?
<flawd-afk> i didnt know it was just answered
<thoreauputic> flawd-afk: :-)
<m-onkey> nmoore, CTRL+ALT+Backspace
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, looks like it is trying to be the same thing for kde as gdesktop
<thoreauputic> m-onkey: well, i guess he logged out  ... hehe
<m-onkey> :) yeah
<Fl-i-nT> yeah superkaramba is for KDE and gdesklets for Gnome they are different but have the similar look lol
<flawd-afk> what soundmodule should I use for xmms with gnome?
<Alessio> smurfix, query when you can..
<thoreauputic> flawd-afk: I think you mean xmms won't play mp3 - am I right?
<flawd-afk> yep
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, go here if you want to know more #gdesklets on GIMPnet
<kpdog9> where's the command line tool to change the GUI resolution
<flawd-afk> it wants me to check that soundcard isnt blocked. using alsa
<flawd-afk> as sound output module
<yq> hi
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, ahh sure I can read the faq and get on with my life :-) {being the typical lazy paddy}
<ompaul> or sysadmin
<flawd-afk> esound worked
<flawd-afk> i didnt know gnome used esound
<thoreauputic> flawd-afk: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed? also mpg321 or mpg123 isn't a bad idea
<ompaul> yq hello
<yq> could someone halp me with DMA for DVD drive?
<flawd-afk> thoreauputic, well esound module worked. why does gnome use esound?
<flawd-afk> isnt that enlightemnent thingie?
<yq> i cannot turn it on
<thoreauputic> flawd-afk: I don't know, frankly :)
<flawd-afk> :)
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul, what do you mean  ahh sure I can read the faq and get on with my life
<yq> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
<yq> /dev/hda:
<yq>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
<yq>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
<yq>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
<kpdog9> What command line tool do I use to change screen resolution?
<meister_> hi
<thoreauputic> flawd-afk: yeah, enlightened sound daemon or something
<yq> this is what i get
<farruinn> kpdog9: the X resolution?
<optika> yq: do you have SATA hard drives?
<kpdog9> yes
<gangalino> anyone know the apt syntax for dvd+rw-tools?
<yq> optika: yes
<meister_> how can i get Xfce 4.2.1 for hoary?
<kpdog9> I know it for mandrake but it doesn't look to be the same
<apokryphos> gangalino: several programs out there... k3b is good.
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, I can read what is on the web site (faq) and I don't think I will have any issues with it, so I will continue to live happily in #ubuntu - I tend to only be in one channel maybe two at a time
<yq> optika: 1 sata drive and 1 dma dvd
<optika> yq: I have the same problem, someone told me earlier that there was a discussion about the problem on some Ubuntu mailing list, but I've been unable to find it.
<jacques> k3b in hoary won't burn audio-cds from mp3s. is this normal?
<thoreauputic> yq , sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda   perhaps ( you need root privileges)
<yq> hey i know about sudo
<yq> :)
<optika> yq: apparently there is a solution out there somewhere, but it might not always work.
<farruinn> kpdog9: I don't know if this answers your question, but you can edit your X configuration file or  just use ctrl+alt+[plus|minus] 
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul why dont you give them a try and see lo;
<gangalino> apokyphos: my k3b installation is complaining about missing dvd+rw-tools
<yq> optika: i'm afraid of something...
<thoreauputic> yq, OK - just covering the obvious bases ;)
<gangalino> so I'm trying to install that pkg
<yq> optika:...its kernel compile options
<fagun> hello
<fagun> how to update my radeon drivers?
<kpdog9> farriunn: I need it from the command line it's set to high in X-Windows
<amiroff> meister_: just add os-cillation sources, they work good for me here
<Fl-i-nT> ompaul can i PM you?
<yq> optika: CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y :/
<ompaul> Fl-i-nT, you can
<optika> yq:  *chuckle* I think it might be ... some friends of mine have managed to get it working right on a Gentoo system with a custom kernel
<yq> therapeutic, np :)
<ompaul> the question is may you and you may :)
<optika>  (on the same hardware as me)
<yq> great
<ompaul> now that is worth a lol
<yq> compiling kernel :/
<yq> i'm not very educated in linux
<optika> yq: tell you what, if you find the discussion thread that the guy was referring to earlier, I'll read it and compile you a kernel ;)
<farruinn> kpdog9: then edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf
<meister_> amiroff thx
<yq> optika: lol, but thanks anyway
<farruinn> kpdog9: warty has xfree hoary has xorg
<farruinn> kpdog9: don't forget it could be a refresh frequency that's out of range
<kpdog9> farruinn: ahh xorg.conf hmmm why isn't it named XF86Config anymore?
<yq> but this is strange - it would mean that everyone using ubuntu with non-custom kernel would get no dmd for cd-drives :|
<optika> yq: it's a pain in the ass not being able to use CD drive properly  :(
<optika> yq: everyone with SATA hard drives and IDE CD drives, I believe.
<yq> optika: yeah, i can't even listen to music when dvd is working
<amiroff> meister_: np, did you find the sources?
<optika> yq: although, it may only affect a specific chipset ... what chipset you got?
<farruinn> kpdog9: because xorg and xfree are different xservers =) Warty is the only Ubuntu release that will use xfree
<yq> optika: nForce3
<spades> anyone else on warty having their autologin spaz out? my autologin goes and nothing but a black screen(color set as bg while autoload stuff goes) is there and nautilus and the other startups dont work, i have to control+alt+backspace to relogin and then it loads.
<kpdog9> farruinn: ahh I see, which one is better, I'm used to xfree never heard of xorg
<AndyR> spades, im not seeing that here
<Xappe> on my ibook, how can I make the fans start earlier (like when the hddtemp reaches a certain value or something)?
<SiRrUs> good afternoon guys
<farruinn> kpdog9: xorg is a fork from xfree.  I don't know the details but you can read about it at x.org
<spades> bleh, guess i'll disable autologin
<kpdog9> farruinn: thanks for all you'
<kpdog9> help
<farruinn> of course :)
<larsrohdin> is there a command to see if im using xfree86 or xorg?
<thoreauputic> X -version
<larsrohdin> ok, thanks
<thoreauputic> upper case X , of course...
<thoreauputic> thor|coffee
<thoreauputic> haha
<yq> hmmm, so ok, anyone here can help newbie to compile a kernel? :] 
<maxchee> After yesterday's hoary upgrade, my screen is now in black and white with dithering. Can anyone help?
<spades> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto/view?searchterm=kernel
<jacques> how do you change the computer's name to something else?
<yq> wow, wiki topic
<yq> thanx spades
<spades> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto  is the one i used
<spades> it gave me 2.6.8.1-5-686
<DarthFrog> jacques: http://ubuntuguide.org/
<maxchee> how do you downgrade from hoary to warty
<farruinn> jacques: see the network preference(/system settings?) tool
<maxchee> The instructions on the wiki didn't help....
<inphlict> Anyone here?
<flawd-afk> can I add a link on my desktop to nautilus that opens a directory?
<yq> hmmm I will need newer, since I upgraded to HOary
<thor|coffee> maxchee: you don't. or at least , not without great difficulty
<spades> flawd-afk: use command nautilus:///folder
<speedy2782> I am not sure what I need to do to access my shared folder from a windows computer. I have set a shared folder and I when I try to access it from a windows computer it asks for user///pass. I enter the one to login into my ubuntu and no juice. What am I forgetting. I have samba and fmbfs
<inphlict> Is there anyway I can import files form my ntsf system to linux?
<flawd-afk> spades, yeah but then I wont have the same icon as my homefolder icon
<maxchee> thor|coffee: then is there at least a way to downgrade xorg
<flawd-afk> I have to specify it mannually which sucks
<speedy2782> and, better yet, how do I find the windows shared files on the network
<speedy2782> from ubuntu
<Solatis> hmmm when I install apache and libapache2-mod-php4, it should configure automatically right ?
<maxchee> thor|coffee: I believe yesterday's xorg update is the cause of my display problem
<Solatis> as in, when I restarted my apache2 server, .php files are being offered as download rather than executed as such
<Solatis> (it's a clean warty install)
<thor|coffee> maxchee: I think you can just do sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
<inphlict> Also when i try to listen to radio using Music Player
<inphlict> I get "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
<maxchee> thor|coffee: will that work with hoary?
<thor|coffee> maxchee: I may be wrong - see what apt says if you try it ;)
<maxchee> thx
<speedy2782> any help? with the network issues?
* P3L|C4N0 saludos
<ohgood> is it possible to boot the install iso as a live with grub parameters ?
<HiddenWolf> ohgood: nope, don't count on it
<flawd-afk> this sucks
<farruinn> ohgood: you can drop into a shell but you will have no X
<maxchee> thor|afk: is that all I need?
<flawd-afk> I click to add a starter on my gnome desktop and it doesnt appear
<farruinn> ohgood: the dvd will(does?) contain both live and install
<tiM`> lo
<ohgood> aight, no biggie, just wondered
<HiddenWolf> farruinn: the dvd is buggy, it'll install all of the dvd, last I checked.
<altava> ohgood: no, but yu can browse in it: mount -o loop /your.iso  /your_rep
<farruinn> HiddenWolf: still a work in progress apparently, but I'm glad they're working on it =)
<HiddenWolf> flawd: if you're running hoary, it's a bug in gamin, and it'll only appear once you reload the desktop from a term
<ohgood> altava: shrug, just wondered if it was dual-purpose, but not specified to prevent confusion.. no biggie
<HiddenWolf> farruin: they sure are, but for now, you get the entire contents of main on your hdd if you install from dvd
<ohgood> by the way, reiserfs is supported default, no ?
<flawd-afk> I have not reloaded it from a term what I know
<flawd-afk> however one does that
<larsrohdin> how to disable smileys in Gaim?
* ohgood is making room for ubuntu next to gentoo, hopefully this will replace MCE in about 20 minutes
<chillywilly> ow
<inphlict> So does anyone know how I can listen to streams?
<tiM`> does ubuntu do iptables the same way that debian does?
<inphlict> I get an error "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
<HiddenWolf> ohgood: why are you running gentoo?
<inphlict> when I try to play radio
<tiM`> because i can't find /etc/init.d/iptables
<HiddenWolf> inplict: enable universe and install gstreamer-mad
<ohgood> HiddenWolf: i like it. i use suse and gentoo. just about to experiment with ubuntu.
<inphlict> Sorry to ask but how would I do this and where do I find gstreamer?
<Fackamato> tiM`: install them
<larsrohdin> found it.... nevermind
<tiM`> Fackamato, istall what?
<tiM`> iptables is installed
<chillywilly> what's wrong with gamin?
<HiddenWolf> inphlict: www.ubuntuguide.org / check there how to enable extra repostories in synaptic, then search for the package gstreamer-mad, and install it
<HiddenWolf> chillywilly: in come cases, it won't update correctly
<inphlict> okay thanks
<flawd-afk> HiddenWolf, how does one "reload the desktop from a term" because I have not done that on purpouse
<flawd-afk> HiddenWolf, reloading gnome and it should work?
<Fackamato> tiM`: do whereis iptables
<chillywilly> HiddenWolf: I notied if I save something to my desktop or if I connect to a server it will not refresh and show the files nor show me the "volume"
<tiM`> iptables is in sbin (where i'd expect it to be)
<Fackamato> what's wrong then
<HiddenWolf> flawd-afk, just logging out, altho there is an easier way
<tiM`> but in std debian, there is usually a script in /etc/init.d/ that sets up iptables
<Fackamato> ah
<tiM`> using install/remove/clear
<HiddenWolf> chillywilly: gamin is buggy, these are known and will hopefully be fixed
<tiM`> trying to work out if i should be able to do it 'the debian way'
<chillywilly> HiddenWolf: why throw away fam? At least it worked ;P
<tiM`> or whether I need to do it manually
<flawd-afk> what is that HiddenWolf ?
<chillywilly> HiddenWolf: it seemed to go away at home when I last did a dist-upgrade
<HiddenWolf> chillywilly: apperantly not for the majority, gamin seems to have a few advantages
<HiddenWolf> flawd-afk; no clue atm
<HiddenWolf> chillywilly: I haven't followed -devel, I'd have no idea
<Timbo> is there a file that is executed on boot up other than /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh?
<Timbo> i want to do something on every boot
<Timbo> but if i put it in there
<chillywilly> bah, T1s are slow ;)
<Timbo> then it may get overwritten by an upgrade
* chillywilly needs that 6MBit download he has at home
<erpel> Timbo can't you do that with a cronjob
<tiM`> Timbo, the files in /etc/rcX.d/ are executed at boot
<crb> I'm having trouble finding mention of Ubuntu's security update schedule on the website.
<Timbo> erpel: uh i could, but that would be silly
<Timbo> tiM`: hmm ok
<crb> How long is each release 'supported'?
<Seveas> crb, there is no schedule for that, updates are being made available whenever there are updates
<Seveas> crb, for 18 moths after the release
<Seveas> crb, and that definitely is mentioned several times
<davidcc6> mako_: hi :D
<crb> Seveas: I'll keep looking, but it's not where I looked to start with
<ohgood> vaijr2002: no fair, i'm still burning
<[-Soultrance-] > okay, lol, new problem. I managed to get GDM working and I can now get to the login screen, but when I log in, it goes through but instead of kicking into GNOME it just stays at a blank black screen. I've left it for a few mins and it just sticks to that. Suggestions? Ideas ?
<davidcc6> mako_: man, do you have problems?
<Seveas> crb, it is even on the frontpage of ubuntulinux.org!
<crb> I find it on the releases page now I search for '18 months'. :)
<Burgundavia> crb: Ubuntu doesn't follow the m$ policy of the 2nd tuesday for releasing security updates
<crb> Burgundavia: I know, I was asking about the 18 months of support
<Seveas> crb: on the releases page: third paragraph, first sentence!
<crb> Jumping right into the security pages didn't tell me this. :)
<mako_> davidcc6: yes.. my computer is full of water
* crb writes 'don't just follow bookmarks' on the board 100 times
<mako_> (win 33
<davidcc6> mako_: omg... he dont survive??
<crb> (The releases page still refers to 5.10 as Grumpy Groundhog, btw)
<Seveas> crb, yes more people have complained about that
<[-Soultrance-] > anyone know what I can do ?
<Seveas> canonical people tend to be busy :)
<teejay_> I'm havin a weird problem with firefox with hoary it won't download
<teejay_> as soon as I try to download a file the download window just disappears
<teejay_> it seemed to happen right after I did an update
<Seveas> teejay_, and you can't bring it back using tools->downloads or <ctrl> + Y
<Seveas> ?
<teejay_> when I do nothing is there
<Seveas> hmm
<Seveas> and it isn;t downloaded i presume?
<teejay_> no it isn't
<Seveas> teejay_, please search the bugzilla to see if this bug has been reported, otherwise, please report it
<teejay_> alright thnx
<SiRrUs> quiet afternoon it seems
* Seveas start making noise
<SiRrUs> na thats ok I am happy hoary is performing very well
<WouterX> hi
<SiRrUs> hello
<anthony> hey i was wondering if there was anyway i could burn a cd from ubuntu
<SiRrUs> anthony yep
<SiRrUs> graveman works good
<anthony> k ill google it
<WouterX> did anyone get 3d acceleration for an ATI radeon working in hoary?
<SiRrUs> anthony what are you using hoary or warty
<sick-headache> hi
<SiRrUs> hello
<sick-headache> I need help from a Ubuntu guru!
<SiRrUs> its kinda quiet in here today just ask your question maybe someone can help
<mdke> anyone reporting problems with the new xorg packages?
<keyhack> does anyone know of an online resource that shows up how to hook up an external monitor to your laptop, and use the monitor as a second desktop/display (not display the laptops screen)
<ermo> sick-headache, help with curing your headache?
<sick-headache> I have a Amilio A cy26 laptop, but cant make the touchpad work in it
<mdke> guys, Folletto2 reports this and similar errors when starting xorg:Skipping " /usr/X11R6/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o" No symbols found
<mdke> anyone have an idea?
<WouterX> mdke: i have a problem with xorg
<mdke> WouterX, similar?
<WouterX> i can't get 3d accelation working
<mdke> WouterX, after the recent update?
<SiRrUs> mdke my xorg is working ok
<mdke> SiRrUs, hmm ok thanks for the feedback
<mdke> does anyone have any suggestions for combatting that error?
<farruinn> reinstall xserver-xorg perhaps, that's the file it belongs to
<farruinn> er package the file belongs to that is
<Seveas> mdke, are you sure you are using the correct driver?
<mdke> Seveas, its not my system, but he says it was working before the update
<mdke> farruinn, yeah maybe will help
<Seveas> if so, follow farruinns advice: apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
<HrdwrBoB> mdke: if he has used the nvidia installer... don't :)
<Seveas> mdke, sometimes updates break stuff in a testing version
<mdke> Seveas, i am aware of that ;)
<mdke> Seveas, i just wanted to check to see if the problem is caused by a bug or by an error on the users part
<WouterX> does anyone know how to get ATI Radeon drivers working properly on hoary
<mdke> WouterX, i've seen a guide on it in the wiki
<mdke> BinaryDriverHowTo or something similar
<WouterX> the guide that said: "apt-get install and it should work" ?
<WouterX> well... it didn't
<farruinn> WouterX: you'll have to change your driver in your xorg.conf I'm pretty sure
<mdke> WouterX, i think it has some more tips
<mdke> yes
<farruinn> make sure you follow all of the directions
<mdke> to fglrx or whatever
<WouterX> i've seen the guide, it only mentioned adjusting xf86config-4
<WouterX> that file is empty, since i'm using x.org
<mdke> WouterX, you need to do the same in xorg.conf
<WouterX> oh...
<WouterX> haven't tried that
<mdke> WouterX, and the package to install is different too
<WouterX> i know
<farruinn> perhaps someone should update the wiki
<mdke> farruinn, yeah i'll take a look
<farruinn> thanks, I have a mac so it's not really applicable to me so I don't really know the details
<Lemonzest> is there a change log for array 7?
<WouterX> mdke,do you mean this guide: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<mdke> WouterX, yes i do
<WouterX> ok
<WouterX> i changed it
<WouterX> wil a restart of xserver do
<WouterX> +l
<WouterX> or do i have to reboot
<farruinn> just restart xorg I think
<inphlict> How would I access my ntsf drive
<csj> hello, I want to take a screenshot ,but it said cant find gnome-screenshot, and which package which I install?
<inphlict> I just want to listen to some music from there
<inphlict> csj: click system > screenshot
<cowbud> csj: install gnome-utils
<Seveas> inphlict, mont it :)
<inphlict> I'm a noob
<inphlict> how do I do this :)
<Seveas> hehe
<csj> cowbud: ok, I go install now, thank you
<Seveas> one sec, i'll PM you some detailed instructions
<inphlict> Thank you :)
<WouterX> it worked
<WouterX> i have 3d acceleration :D
<det> Can I make xorg upgrades not comepletely overwrite my debconf options (specificly, I have to input my monitor refresh rates every time xorg is upgraded)
<mdke> WouterX, cool
<mdke> WouterX, you didn't need to reboot???
<WouterX> someone should add it to the wiki :)
<mdke> WouterX, have done already
<cowbud> nah ubuntu should automatically setup fstabs for other drives
<cowbud> fstab entries that is..
<WouterX> mdke, no; restaring xserver was sufficient
<WouterX> +t
<farruinn> det: you could make a backup copy of xorg.conf but if you dpkg-reconfigure debconf I think it will give you some pertinent options
<mdke> WouterX, just editing the wiki now
<det> farruinn, That is what I do each time xorg is upgraded
<WouterX> from 90 to 1300 fps in glxgears :)
<det> farruinn, the xserver-xorg package overwrites the debconf settings each upgrade
<det> farruinn, I will file a bug report
<farruinn> det: are you sure your debconf settings are correct for what you want to do?
<farruinn> I think there is a settings about overwriting config files, it should ask if you want to keep yours or use the newer one
<mdke> WouterX, good news
<det> farruinn, I have no problem with overwriting my debconf generated config file
<det> farruinn, The problem is that each xserver-xorg upgrade forgets my previous debconf settings
<det> farruinn, and generates a default config
<fonsken> is there something special i should do to make xmms work?
<farruinn> are you getting some sort of error?
<fonsken> when i try to play an mp3, its hanging...
<mdke> fonsken, you need to install an mp3 decoder
<djp> ok, looking forv some advice from the evenig (uk time anyway) ubunutu crowd. what is a recommended way of backing up a standalone pc under ubuntu?
<scizzo> fonsken: thats because you need libmad
<mdke> fonsken, check out the RestrictedFormats wiki
<fonsken> thanks
<Blissex> djp: there is nothing Ubuntu specific in backups...
<fonsken> i'll do that
<mdke> djp, i haven't tried with ubuntu yet but mondorescue is excellent
<mdke> djp, last time i tried under hoary it didn't work, but i am about to try it again
<kotatsu> djp: tar is the usual way to back things up. what are you trying to save? everything or just your personal settings?
<djp> i was looking to use day, rdiff-backup and partition image. would this be a good way to go?
<kotatsu> personally, I simply rsync my desktop to my laptop and vice versa a couple times a week
<mdke> kotatsu, your home directory?
<mdke> i do that :)
<kotatsu> yes
<breogan> hi
<kotatsu> really no reason for me to back up anything else, I try to keep everything centralized in $HOME
<mdke> kotatsu, sys admin?
<djp> kotatsu: looking to use partition image to back up my system partitions, then store them on cd, use dar to to perform scheduled backups and rdiff-backup t6o keep a mirror of my main working directory inbetween schedulded backups.
<mdke> djp, not sure about that method. Mondo is very easy tho i have to say. and you can backup to cd, nfs, anything basically
<kotatsu> I even install programs into ~/System/Applications now and symlink them out instead of using opt... that way programs travel with me too
<mdke> ah
<kotatsu> mdke: yah, but I'm talking about my personal machines
<mdke> kotatsu, sure but things like /etc?
<oclv> man, that was the least painfull linux install in 6 months <blinks> good job ubuntu folks
<oclv> too bad i couldn't save my old partitions <shrug> moving on :)
<kotatsu> mdke: such as? I don't edit much in etc on personal machines
<yq> hi again
<yq> now what is abi file?
<kotatsu> mdke: at work of course I do full backups of servers though
<DarthFrog> oclv: And now you'll never need re-install again.
<yq> i'm compiling a kernel now ang i get
<yq> # Check for the previous kernel's abi file; now a requirement for
<yq> # builds!
<raa1> hi, how easy it will be upgrade from warty to hoary, without breaking anything? will it be as simple as apt-get upgrade ?
<oclv> DarthFrog, hehe, i haven't needed a reinstall in some time, i like to try new linuxes often though :)
<echnaton> iam looking for that pictures as a wallpaper http://www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg
<DarthFrog> ohgood: You and me both.
<gardion> anyone know if there are any plans to add clustering?  (openmosix).
<kotatsu> djp: sounds fine to me =) if you've done it on another linux distro it's probably possible on ubuntu
<kotatsu> djp: I haven't used rdiff-backup so I'm not sure what it's all about, but have you looked at rsync?
<DarthFrog> rdiff-backup uses rsync.
<DarthFrog> There's also rbackup.
<kotatsu> reading the description for it atm... not sure I understand what advantage it offers
<kotatsu> does it preserve diffs like a shadow copy thing would?
<kotatsu> so you can roll back to a point in time?
<Blissex> kotatsu: it is a shadow copy thing...
<kotatsu> currently installing it and playing with it =P
<kotatsu> might switch over to this if it's not a disc space hog
<Blissex> kotatsu: but not that it only does ''shadow'' snapshots in ''pull'', not ''push'' mode.
<kotatsu> Blissex: elaborate?
<mw5300> Hello
<Blissex> kotatsu: ahhhh, but I was really thinking of this one instead: http://www.rsnapshot.org/
<runedude> hi everyone, got a question, how can I uninstall X completely?
<Blissex> runedude: yes.
<runedude> I have a build of ubuntu, but I dont want X (it's gonna be a server)
<Blissex> runedude: just uninstall all the X related packages.
<runedude> oh btw, Blissex , I know you :)
<runedude> you helped me get my mouse working on debian? :)
<bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/paste/results/5nQYxt76.html
<kotatsu> waaah
<helio7> does anyone know why http://localhost:631/printers won't take my normal username/passwd ?
<yq> argggg
<kotatsu> Blissex: you're going to have to make me betray rsync =P
<runedude> Blissex: is there like a main core x process tho?
* kotatsu mourns.
<Blissex> runedude: perhaps I sort of remember the whining :-)
<yq> i shouldn't have bumped the wersion number of mu kernel :)
<runedude> like maybe apt-get remove x ?
<MindZEye> Does anyone know how to get my /etc/init.d/kdm back?  I've tried reinstalling kdm, but it isn't reinstalled when I do that.
<runedude> or somethign that will remove it all?
<Blissex> runedude: are your sort of more familiar with 'aptitude'>
<Blissex> runedude: are your sort of more familiar with 'aptitude'?
<runedude> heh
<Blissex> runedude: or 'synaptic'?
<runedude> good idea
<runedude> i like apt more :|
<runedude> like apt-get cache etc.
<Blissex> runedude: there are two/three reasons fro using 'aptitude' or s'synaptic; here..
<raa1> hi everyone, I'm wondering if I should install ubuntu now or wait until hoary is released.
<ohgood> hmm, is there a source list for apt, i just tried apt-get install mplayer, and it returned no results
<runedude> yeah
<runedude> package lists
<Blissex> runedude: they do the cache thing too a lot better.
<runedude> ok
<raa1> Is it easy to upgrade without braking anything
<runedude> ill try that, atm, upgrading ram :)
<mw5300> raal: Install it now, you can easily upgrade when hoary comes out
<neighborlee> ohgood, yeah you need a certain repository is all: ubuntuguide.org will show you
<farruinn> raa1: you could install warty for the time being then upgrade once hoary is released
<Blissex> runedude: package lists, by topic, e.g. X, and lists of just installed packages, and the ability to see fboth forward and reverse dependencies.
<chickenman> hey every one
<helio7> no clues as to why my CUPS webgui is rejecting my username/password? http://localhost:631/printers won't let me log in )=
<ohgood> neighborlee, this is me tipping my hat, quietly :)
<Blissex> runedude: so you can get the ''umbrella'' X virtual package, see all its dependendencies, and just uninstall all those.
<neighborlee> ohgood, ic that <G>
<mw5300> helio7: It might be disabled. Maybe try the gnome one?
<raa1> farruinn: will it be as easy as apt-get upgrade?
<farruinn> raa1: yup =)
<farruinn> well, dist-upgrade probably
<disposable> why do i have the /.dev directory? what's it for? isn't the /dev enough?
<helio7> mw5300: I'm trying to follow the directiosn at the bottom of this page https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba that someone suggested earlier for my problem of not being able to print from an Ubuntu box to a Windows Printer... (classroom computers)
<thenuke> disposable: never heard of /.dev =)
<farruinn> disposable: that was asked on ubuntu-devel a while ago, I can't remember the reasoning though...
<farruinn> disposable: iirc, you should leave it there for upgrade purposes though
<disposable> farruinn: i'll try to rename it and boot
<raa1> farruinn: Kewl, thanx...here I go w/ warty
<bluefoxicy> I have an idea
<bluefoxicy> cdrecord should instead of being like
<bluefoxicy> "Oh hey fuck the burn failed maybe you should try driveropts=burnfree"
<bluefoxicy> Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE FORCESPEED
<bluefoxicy> It most obviously knows the drive supports burnfree
<sankito> i have ubuntu running on my laptop, and i've had it hooked up to an external monitor for about a week and it's been working fine. i just restarted and now it's not sending a signal to the monitor. any ideas?
<bluefoxicy> so perhaps like
<chickenman> any one know how to install wine and geting it setup i keep geting an error about missing packages and i can't find them with the package manager ?
<bluefoxicy> patch cdrecord
<bluefoxicy> so that it ALWAYS uses burnfree if it's there unless it's disabled
<mw5300> helio7: If you go to printer managment in gnome, and the select "samba" it should work.
<chickenman> any one know how to install wine and geting it setup i keep geting an error about missing packages and i can't find them with the package manager ? help me please!
<refluxx> anyone know of a respo that has qemu with the accel allready compiled?
<sankito> did you add universe to your synaptic package manager?
<Seveas> sankito, you shoul only plugin the monitor after gdm started
<Seveas> sankito, at least that's my experience :)
<chickenman> yep i added universe and multiverse
<helio7> mw5300: do you think I need to enter all this in the main tab of the printer in the gnome config gui (guest@smb://langston_6/epson) ?
<runedude> Blissex:
<runedude> I tried aptitude
<chickenman> still can't find the packages i need i need the setup program
<sankito> i'm plugging it in now and nothing is happening. i guess i'll restart again and wait until gdm is running
<Seveas> chickenman, you might try the .deb file from winehq.org
<runedude> Blissex: tried aptitude, wouldnt let me remove it tho ?
<Seveas> it comes with wine-utils
<chickenman> ok ill go on winehq
<ohgood> yay-hay :) i'll have this thing freevo'd up in no time :)
<csj> hello, I have install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg and I use totem-gstreamer to play *.avi file, and I can see video but no audio ,could someone give me some  suggestion?
<chickenman> how do i change the apache2 folder where the html and other files are stored?
<mw5300> helio7: i'm not exactly sure, as i am not at my ubuntu box right now, but i think so.
<helio7> ok gotta go to a meeting thanks for the support; later all
<chickenman> im making a theme tune for ubuntu :P
<runedude> Blissex: how can I first terminate X, tried killing its process , just boots again
<zenrox> runedude, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop  then start to start it back up
<Blissex> runedude: switch runlevel to runelvel 2
<Blissex> runedude: or stop 'gdm' as zenrox says, but I suspect runlevel 2 is mote right.
<zenrox> bolth do the same
<runedude> ok
<runedude> root@deadram:/home/deadram # runlevel 2
<runedude> unknown
<zenrox> runedude,  do the gdm one
<zenrox> its easer
<netsniper> anyone having CPU frequency scaling issues with the new hoary updates?
<runedude> aha
<runedude> gotcha!
<goldfish_> hi guys, just wondering can u use mozilla thunderbird with ubuntu?
<netsniper> i mean the ones from the past few days or so
<netsniper> goldfish_, yes
<goldfish_> cool
<goldfish_> do i use alien with the .rpm on their site?
<mw5300> goldfish_: its in synaptic, in universial
<goldfish_> ah right
<goldfish_> cool
<goldfish_> thanks
<netsniper> goldfish_, sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
<goldfish_> way easier :) lovely
<markblaine> I need help installing... all I get is a blue screen after I boot.
<runedude> now if I can do that on startup, zenrox
<chickenman> i don't understand all the way the hard drive is layed out where do all the things i install go ?
<runedude> :|
<netsniper> chickenman, /
<goldfish_> mw5300: nvidia card?
<goldfish_> sorry
<goldfish_> mistab :/
<sankito> i am still unable to get my external monitor to work with my laptop, another note.... when my monitor quit working, my sd card reader also quit working
<netsniper> chickenman, actually, everythig is different -- mostly to /usr/bin
<goldfish_> markblaine: nvidia card?
<zenrox> runedude,  dont know how to do that at start up
<sankito> anyone know what the problem could be?
<runedude> zenrox: hmm, fstab?
<runedude> nvm
<runedude> lol
<runedude> oh well
<markblaine> I don't know.. its an older PII laptop
<runedude> ill make a command to run that
<runedude> and its ok
<runedude> thanks zenrox :D
<chickenman> mmmm well it's sometimes so hard to fings
<thoreauputic> chickenman: mostly in /usr/bin,  config files to /etc
<netsniper> nvidia sucks now -- 6629 doesnt support widescreen laptops and 6111 doesnt support kernels >= 2.6.9!!!!
<elcuco> hi, my gdm kb layout is not english, how do i change it to english?
<goldfish_> my nvidia works fine !
<mw5300> gtg....
<farruinn> How can I make the cron.daily/apt job download new upgrades but not install them?
<bruce_> I have problems with samba... I did like in the hwo to :http://www.elyps.de/guide.html#sharepublicfolderLesen Siewritesecurityshare ... I see the files but can't open them...
<netsniper> goldfish_, in widescreen?
<farruinn> And then e-mail me with a list of upgradable packages...
<netsniper> bruce_, you might need more permissions
<thoreauputic> chickenman: to find an executable's location, usually just typing `which nameofexecutable` will give you an answer
<goldfish_> netsniper: 1680 x 1050, 15.4 " widescreen
<netsniper> goldfish_, but are you using the official nvidia driver?
<netsniper> goldfish_, nv or nvidia?
<goldfish_> the ones i got from apt-get
<goldfish_> ermm..
<goldfish_> nvidia
<netsniper> do this
<netsniper> gep -i nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<chickenman> where the c dive on wine i can't find the folder
<netsniper> grep -i nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<bruce_> netsniper i did chmod 777
<netsniper> chickenman, ~/.wine ?
<goldfish_> i'm not using xorg
<sankito> anyone know where to configure external monitors for laptops and why mine would just quit working for no reason?
<netsniper> goldfish_, oh...hehe im on hoary
<sankito> i didn't change anything
<goldfish_> ah right
<goldfish_> sorry, im still on warty
<goldfish_> i haven't tried upgrading yet :)
<thoreauputic> chickenman: to see hidden "dot files" in the file manager, type ctrl-h
<chickenman> ahhh well i don't know that thanks
<netsniper> bruce_, you check this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
<linuxn00b> hi i have a problem i entered in consol this command /sbin/init3 and after i restart the comp it gives me this msg:: enter the run level:" what should i do?
<linuxn00b> ?
<linuxn00b> anyone
<netsniper> try 3
<linuxn00b> telinit 3 ?
<bruce_> netsniper that's what i did...
<netsniper> ahh..
<linuxn00b> thx
<netsniper> are you running a server yourself or trying to access the files on another machine?
<thoreauputic> umm - debian style distros don't use runlevel 3 by default - the default is 2
<netsniper> i mean, which platform is running the SMB services
<netsniper> thoreauputic, really
<netsniper> ?
<thoreauputic> netsniper: realy
<bruce_> im trying to access the files on another machine...
<netsniper> thoreauputic, weird
<thoreauputic> type "runlevel" in X and you will see 2
<netsniper> bruce_, what is the error?
<netsniper> bruce_, try in nautilus "smb:///"
<thoreauputic> runlevels 2-5 are configurable
<bruce_> I have ubuntu on my desktop and try to acces files with my laptop... i see the files but cant open them... no rights...
<andrew> got root
<refluxx> anyone know of a respo that has qemu with kqemu compiled?
<andrew> bruce do you have root
* djp is about to enjoy a bit of dirty harry!
<netsniper> i mean, are you accessing the files from a windows machine or the ubuntu machine?
<chickenman> i better go to bed see you all later
<bruce_> yes i have root
<djp> nighty nighty all you cheeky ubuntu users, you!
<bruce_> Im accessing from a windows machine...
<netsniper> ahh..
<bruce_> files are on ubuntu with samba... second machine with windows... see the files but can't open...
<bruce_> strange....
<netsniper> bruce_, you allowd all users read/write with no auth?
<DavidH86> hmmm has anyone had trobule with kubuntu and installing
<bruce_> netsniper: yes...
<DavidH86> i keep getting a complaint about no kernel modules
<thoreauputic> DavidH86: there's a #kubuntu, in case you want to ask there
<IRCsloth> anyone know of a good RSS reader?
<andrew> david do how are you installing are you upgrading
<netsniper> IRCsloth, you use firefox?
<thoreauputic> IRCsloth: liferea
<DavidH86> i am doing a fresh install
<tullinga> Im trying to install the linux-wlan-ng driver, but I do not understand the following error "Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux] : /usr/src/linux
<tullinga> Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!
<tullinga>     See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.
<tullinga> Configuration failed
<tullinga> make: *** [config]  Error 1"
<netsniper> IRCsloth, try Sage
<IRCsloth> I don't like the one in Thunderbird or Sage.
<netsniper> heh
<andrew> i think the only kubunut is a live cd
<thoreauputic> liferea is OK - similar to straw
<IRCsloth> i find the one in thunderbird buggy
<DavidH86> there is a install cd available
<Nox> I can't get hdparm to set DMA mode on my ATA/133 device.. Any ideas?    it says "Permission denied."
<IRCsloth> i looked at straw but it's developement is pretty stale
<andrew> any one here install gphoto on ubuntu
<thoreauputic> Nox: did you use sudo?
<Nox> I'm root.
<netsniper> bruce_, there must be a permission error with the share
<Nox>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
<thoreauputic> IRCsloth: did you try lierea ?
<IRCsloth> cool, I'll check out liferea
<thoreauputic> *liferea
<thoreauputic> IRCsloth: it's in the repos
<Nox> I found some things about the chipset not being compiled into the kernel (module) online.. Seems like a kernel bug wasn't sure if there was a solution?
<bruce_> if i did the sudo chomod 777 /home.... have i to restart a kind of service?
<IRCsloth> cool, thnx
<netsniper> bruce_, i would restart samba
<bruce_> i did several times...
<netsniper> bruce_, but also snoop around in the samba config
<bruce_> snoop???
<zenrox> testparm first then restart smb
<andrew> any one here compile gphoto before
<tullinga> anybody with experience about installing the linux-wlan-ng drivers?
<netsniper> bruce_, yea, see if any options in there yer missing
<noobietux> hi everybody
<noobietux> May I ask a dumb question ?
<HrdwrBoB> yes
<DavidH86> dang no one is in #kubuntu
<HrdwrBoB> you won't be the first
<HrdwrBoB> or the last
<tsume_> question, what kernel are you people to?
<tsume_> stable. and if theres an unstable branch...
<noobietux> is it posible to install ubuntu with KDE ?
<goldfish_> yep
<goldfish_> noobietux: called kubuntu, they have a channel, #kubuntu
<Fackamato> <-
<Fackamato> Linux fackamato 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Mar 15 15:49:06 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
<noobietux> :)
<bruce_> ist this correct: guest account = nobody
<thoreauputic> DavidH86: yes, there are at least 27 in #kubuntu
<DavidH86> goldfish: there is no one in there that is responinding
<DavidH86> lol
<sirukin> hmm
<goldfish_> I wouldn't know :)
<goldfish_> ah right
<goldfish_> lol
<Morpeus> noobietux: apt-get install kdebase
<DavidH86> lol
<thoreauputic> DavidH86: patience, waiting 4 minutes is not long
<DavidH86> lol
<tsume_> Fackamato: you are running stable?
<bruce_> why can I see all the files, the details and preview of the files, but can't open them?
<tsume_> Fackamato: or did you build your own?
<thoreauputic> DavidH86: i once waited an hour in a channel before someone answered me ;-)
<DavidH86> hmm
<DavidH86> i dont have that much time lol
<DavidH86> got places to be lol
<noobietux> thanx man,  i am starting to download an  hoary iso , hope i'll like it ;)
<thoreauputic> *shrug*
<martin> ello, can everybody help me to find out what tuchpad-driver i'm using?
<noobietux> a m'a donner envie de jouer  Far Cry
<DavidH86> i have the hooray install cd but it wont install :(
<noobietux> oups wrong chan sorry
<martin> i'm using a synaptics touchpad and every time i "touch" it with my hand the mouse is moving.. under windows, i can switch the pad off but in ubuntu there's a bug or smthing
<martin> can everybody help me?
<tsume_> martin: the mouse _should_ move when you touch it fyi
<thoreauputic> martin, all 421 of us at once ? ;-)
<Morpeus> hm your lucky, i cant even make my touchpad work
<martin> no, not the mouse, the touchpad
<IRCsloth> thoreauputic: liferea seems to work great, thanks!
<tsume_> the mouse pad is _supposed_ to make the pointer move
<Fl-i-nT> what does the command cat do within a directory?
<andrew> any one complie gphoto before?
<thoreauputic> IRCsloth: no worries - enjoy ! :)
<crb> Has anyone played with the kickstart support in Hoary?
<martin> sorry, i mean the touchpad IN the laptop and NOT THE mouse with the mousepad
<crb> I am in the process of my first KS install.  Looking good.
<[-Soultrance-] > hey folks, I need a hand. ANy time I do an apt-get update or upgrade I get this: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
<[-Soultrance-] > Extracting templates from packages: 87%W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) - on almost everything
<[-Soultrance-] > ack, fuck, sorry
<[-Soultrance-] > any idea why it's giving me these messages and does it really matter?
<Fackamato> How do I check my xorg version?
<[-Soultrance-] > issue ?
<Trisixity> hey you're all on ubuntu cause I'm new here
<thoreauputic> [-Soultrance-] : is your /etc/apt/sources.list correct?
<[-Soultrance-] > I'm pretty sure it is
<Trisixity> how's ubuntu? you like it
<thoreauputic> Fackamato:  X -version
<[-Soultrance-] > I checked it against the one on the ubuntu site and it matches up
<thoreauputic> Trisixity:  no , we all hate it - that's why we're here : to bitch about it ;-)
<Trisixity> now now don't be to sarcastic
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: it was a joke :)
<Trisixity> yeah yeah
<thoreauputic> notice the ;-)
<Trisixity> I did
<Trisixity> I'm on the live cd now
<tsume_> I'm trying to decide if ubuntu is for me.
<Trisixity> Why do you use ubuntu thor?
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: seriously, it rocks
<tsume_> can anyone give me a few answers to a couple questions
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: it works ?
<Trisixity> yeah
<tsume_> what if your stable kernel?
<Morpeus> its easy to set up, except for my #%"!#&E# touchpad
<tsume_> does it include ipw2200, or at least a deb source?
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: I like the philosophy, and it's debian based
<tsume_> Morpeus: you need to use the synaptics driver for X
<Trisixity> okay
<Fackamato> thoreauputic: thanks
<Trisixity> I'm used to SuSe
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: you're welcome
<Fackamato> :>
<DavidH86> :(
<farruinn> Trisixity: dpkg is a beautiful thing
<Morpeus> tsume_: i have installed it, but it doesnt load
<Trisixity> but I kinda had it with it, had too much problems with YAST
<Trisixity> I mean, the SUSE o/s is good, but YAST2 stinks
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: the main thing to learn is apt/synaptic, if you're use to YAST etc
<tsume_> what is the current kernel?
<Morpeus> 2.6
<Trisixity> well I can always compile from source, that's not a problem
<tsume_> and do you have binaries for wireless tools
<tsume_> kwifimanager? etc
<tsume_> and..
<tsume_> what version is gnome at in the ubuntu db?
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: well, compiling is rarely necessary with debian distros
<Morpeus> i use kde
<Trisixity> okay, it is on SuSe!
<farruinn> tsume_: in warty, 2.8, in hoary 2.10
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: if it is, apt has tools for that too, with dpkg
<m-foxela> #kubuntu-devel
<tsume_> farruinn: is hoary workable?
<Trisixity> Okay, I never used a debian based distro, so I just have to find it all out
<[-Soultrance-1> okay, I determined that if there is an error in my sources.list file it is in the Hoary-update section, but I can't see how since i copied it directly from the Ubuntu website
<farruinn> tsume_: I'm using it atm, I haven't run into any major problems
<tsume_> farruinn: is it for sombody who likes to take some time for upgrading?
<[-Soultrance-1> I get this error: ese problems
<[-Soultrance-1> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
<[-Soultrance-1> ggodden@lionel2:~ $
<[-Soultrance-1> ggodden@lionel2:~ $
<Trisixity> In my school I learned to work on Suse, and I always kinda stayed at Suse
<tsume_> farruinn: I'm a BSD user fyi
<[-Soultrance-1> shit, sorry again, lol
<tsume_> farruinn: I don't like taking weeks, but just some time
<thoreauputic> Trisixity:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
<farruinn> tsume_: upgrades don't take long
<Trisixity> tnx thor
<farruinn> tsume_: and if you go with the current stable release there are virtually no upgrades
<Seveas> [-Soultrance-1, that cannot be the complete error
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: more than you'll ever need to know about apt ;)
<mak> hey all, I'm tryign to get vncconfig going on warty and its giving me 'error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'. anyone know what i need?
<tsume_> farruinn: they do have upgrades for hoary which are easy?
<farruinn> tsume_: one command =)
<tsume_> farruinn: what is your kernel version?
<tsume_> farruinn: what..
<tsume_> farruinn: one command and thats it?
<kent> seb128, it seems to work for me with that version from the archive. Should I set it to fixed in bugzilla? There is no "closed" option, just the "reslove bug, changing resolution to [fixed] "
<farruinn> I'm currently running 2.6.10 but 2.6.11 is available
<[-Soultrance-1> sev: thats what it gives me when I do apt-get update
<farruinn> tsume_: 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
<[-Soultrance-1> lemme check my terminal again
<Jogariga> hello I'm thinking of installing ubuntu. Which release do you recommend?
<seb128> kent: yep, fixed it fine, thanks
<Fackamato> Jogariga: hoary
<tsume_> farruinn: you can get a deb source for the kernel?
<Jogariga> Fackamato: is that 5.06? the preview release?
<DarthFrog> Jogariga: Hoary is new & shiny and is in the pre-release stage.  Warty is the current stable version.  Both are good.
<thoreauputic> tsume_: a number of kernels in fact
<farruinn> tsume_: yes, with apt
<tsume_> farruinn: I need some distro which likes upgrading, some breakage(not always), which I can rely on for updated software
<Jogariga> thanks
<tsume_> farruinn: hoary is what I'm looking for?
<farruinn> tsume_: hoary should be good for you then
<farruinn> yeah =)
<tsume_> hmm
<tsume_> I don't like Mandrake's Cooker.. doesn't run very well *grin*U
<KurtKocaine> I'm waiting for my cd in the mail :(
<KurtKocaine> I can't wait
<tsume_> infact it doesn't even get past the .'s for loading the kernel :)
<mak> hey all, I'm tryign to get vncconfig going on warty and its giving me 'error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'. anyone know what i need?
<thoreauputic> tsume_: you should track the development releases if you like to upgrade
<farruinn> tsume_: I've only ever used debian based distros, I can't imagine using anything else
<Trisixity> I ordered a post-packahe of ubuntu like a month ago, I got it today, so I think I', gonna install it  on one of my pc's see how it works
<tsume_> thoreauputic: well I like binaries
<Trisixity> I just don't really like the name.....don't know why
<tsume_> thoreauputic: and upgrading, but I don't like upgrading.. and source :(
<Trisixity> in dutch, it just doesn't sound right
<thoreauputic> tsume_: debs are binary packages
<farruinn> tsume_: there are more binaries for hoary than warty
<tsume_> hmm okay :)
<warty2> hey folks, I was wondering if there is any way to launch a hard disk install from the Live CD ?
<tsume_> I'll have to try
<farruinn> warty2: sorry, that probably won't ever happen, just not enough space
<tandy> hey guys if ideleted the files in /var/cache/apt  is there someway i can fix that so i can run apt update again lol
<tsume_> because my Toshiba M35-S456 has this Intel 2200G wireless card
<thoreauputic> Trisixity: it's Zulu, I think - "Humanity to others" is a rough translation
<Trisixity> yes I got that thor
<tsume_> and it doesn't work on the distros which have a junk backport system because the wireless/kernel are too old
<Trisixity> tnx for mentioning
<Trisixity> But it just sounds icky
<warty2> farruinn, is there nothing I can download now and put right onto the harddisk that would do it?
<farruinn> warty2: you could download the install cd, but you can't install from the livecd
<warty2> i have no way of burning another CD you see
<farruinn> you can order one for free
<Trisixity> you can order it warty
<Trisixity> you get it for free
<warty2> blimey
<Trisixity> there's not even a shippingcost
<farruinn> order a few and share them with your friends
<apokryphos> anyone know the command to reconfigure dhcp?
<hoschi> got 3 left now ;o)
<KurtKocaine> How long does it usually take to ship?
<Trisixity> 4 weeks
<bruce_> no one can help me with my samba troubles... damn what is it...
<tandy> anyone have any suggestions what I can do
<KurtKocaine> thanks
<hoschi> 2-3 weeks in my case .. ger
<nubbe> ipconfig for linux, what is the cmd?
<Trisixity> okey, well I live in Holland
<farruinn> KurtKocaine: it really depends on where you live and whatnot
<thoreauputic> KurtKocaine: can take longer
<KurtKocaine> I ordered 10 so I can pass them around at school
<warty2> is there nothing I can do thats a little quicker, I know debian can be installed from another distro by downloading debootstrap
<Trisixity> don't know where you live Kurt
<tandy> nubbe : ifconfig
<nubbe> aha, thanks
<KurtKocaine> I live in Vegas
<Trisixity> ok
<farruinn> warty2: others may have found a way, but I don't now how.  Check google maybe
<warty2> I really need to install out of a running OS as there is no installer i've come across that can detect my net settings
<bruce_> why do i see the files but can't open them
<warty2> but ubuntu does it perfectly
<HillTop> In the Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide, there is this "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache",  What are they doing here? Is this to undo installations?    http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#backuprestoredownloadedrepositoriescache
<farruinn> warty2: you should try the array cd then and report it if it doesn't work
<sailorwolf> hi all
<tandy> Hilltop:ahh thanks
<tandy> no wait that wont work
<tandy> i deleted the files
<HillTop> tandy, It is just a moment of luck I saw that - I had not seen your post. :) So is my guess correct?
<xerox> Is it true that almost every debian .deb is good for ubuntu too?
<farruinn> xerox: generally it will work but there are no guarantees
<KurtKocaine> Anyway, I'll be back once school is out, later all
<HiddenWolf> xerox: it's own-risk work. :P
<farruinn> xerox: you are better off adding a deb-src line for debian in your sources.list and porting it to ubuntu
<hawke_> farruinn: of course, that means "yes" since there's no guarantee that a debian package will work in debian, or that an ubuntu package will work in Ubuntu.
<oclv> hrm, kinda caught a hang at installing nvidia-module.. the faq says it works, but i may have missed something..
<farruinn> hawke_: heh, good point, what I was trying to say is that it's not recommended
<hawke_> farruinn: I know. :-D
<oclv> also, i _thought_ it was using Xorg, <blink> is it not ?
<xerox> farruinn: can you explain to me how to do a .deb out of sources? Or point me to some detailed documentation about it? It would be *very* nice to know.
<farruinn> xerox: sure, one sec
<xerox> farruinn: great.
<thoreauputic> xerox: apt-get build-dep ; dpkg-buildpackage   ( or just use checkinstall as a quick and dirty way)
* xerox checkouts cvs version
<garrut> where can i order ubuntu cd's?
<farruinn> xerox: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
<goldfish_> looked at the website garrut
<goldfish_> ?
<garrut> never mind, i found it...
<garrut> :)
<farruinn> xerox: if you're using a source package from debian it will be apt-get build-dep ; apt-get source -b package
<farruinn> xerox: you'll probably have to specify the version so that apt will get the source from debian and not ubuntu
<medwards_> Looks like Azureus is in debian contrib.  Anyone try it on ubuntu?
<xerox> farruinn: I try with cvs sources.
<goldfish_> yeah
<kent> medwards_, i have run azureus on ubuntu. (with sun java). It works nice
<kent> soon the unix time is 1111111111  :)
<xerox> kent: how did you install sun java in ubuntu?
<optika> kent: ooh, how soon?
<medwards_> kent: sjackman's deb, or the official jar?
<Rocha> Hello
<kent> xerox, I just downloaded the package from suns site. They have an rpm-package and a archive, i used to archive.
<Rocha> Will mono 1.1.4 be released for hoary?
<thoreauputic> xerox: there's a section on java install at htt://ubuntuguide.org
<bruce_> ok now new strange message: i opend a second samba folder... and i did exactly same config like folder one... but folder one is readable... folder 2 not...
<thoreauputic> oops  http://ubuntuguide.org
<medwards_> kent: I've had better experiences with recent java-package (make-jpkg) conversion to deb.
<bruce_> thoreauputic i did like this guide is telling...
<ohgood> So, just gave up on NVidia module, unless someone has a link to a working howto... :(
<thoreauputic> bruce_: sorry that was more for xerox
<bruce_> aha
<optika> ohgood: I believe I got it working
<bruce_> easy
<bruce_> ok cu
<optika> ohgood: what you battling with?
<xerox> thoreauputic: do I need to build the sources before dpkg-buildpackage?
<Tuxadermist> They straighten out the Nvidia driver working ?
<ohgood> optika, i'd like to use the nvidia patch, and have a nice 1280x1024 resolution.. but it doesn't seem to work.
<Fackamato> ohgood: what kernel are you running
<ohgood> 2.6.10-4 default
<thoreauputic> xerox: no, you use apt-get source, apt-get build-dep o get dependencies
<optika> ohgood: "the nvidia patch"? I'm using the nvidia binary drivers, and it's working v. nicely
<thoreauputic> *to
<Fackamato> do you have the 2.6.10-4 headers?
<ohgood> Fackamato, well, probly not.
<Fackamato> get them
<thoreauputic> xerox: it's all in the apt howto
<optika>  (or was before I upgraded to Hoary, and I'll only sit down in front of that machine for the first time since I upgraded tomorrow)
<farruinn> xerox: that link I gave you goes to the apt howto, it's a great resource
<ohgood> Fackamato, i don't see a 2.6.10 source listed
<thoreauputic> xerox: dpkg-buildpackage builds the deb for you
<xerox> Hm, why apt-get source ? Is it ok with CVS checkouted version?
<Fackamato> ohgood: headers, not source
<farruinn> xerox: you don't need to do apt-get source if you're using cvs
<farruinn> xerox: apt-get source will get source packages from a repository
<ohgood> Fackamato, ok, no 2.6.10 headers either, it stops at 2.6.7, so far as i can tell
<xerox> Okay, one more thing, INSTALL says it has to be compiled with "sh make.sh" rather than then usual "sh configure; make; make install", is that a problem?
<Fackamato> xerox: those are commands
<Fackamato> sh make.sh runs the bash script make.sh
<Fackamato> sh configure runs the configure script
<Fackamato> those are different files
<bajone> hi
<xerox> Fackamato: I know, I don't know if dpkg handles this, for compilation.
* ohgood wonders where to find kernel-headers for 2.6.10 in ubuntu...
<bajone> I have a question
<Tuxadermist> I am gonna assume last weeks nvidia driver breakage has been corrected ...
<sergiolib> hello
<bajone> where I can find other ubuntu install cd-s?
<thoreauputic> ohgood: apt-cache search linux-headers | grep $(uname -r)
<sergiolib> i got a problem
<xerox> dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
<xerox> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package
<xerox> :(
<sergiolib> can't install skype
<farruinn> xerox: is there a debian directory?
<ohgood> thoreauputic, there are none for 2.6.10
<farruinn> xerox: if there isn't you'll have to use checkinstall
<xerox> farruinn: there isn't
<farruinn> xerox: ok, then that source isn't "debianized", you'll have to apt-get checkinstall and use that
<thoreauputic> ohgood: you have all repositories enabled?
<bajone> can be done a full ubuntu install, or only a lite 1 cd install?
<inphlict> Can someone help me pls?
<inphlict> I installed xmms and it doesn't run my mp3s
<ohgood> thoreauputic, everything from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<inphlict> it froze
<xerox> I think I'll try the .deb before, thank you all very much for the help.
<Rocha> inphlict, don't use xmms, use rhythmbox
<andrewski> inphlict: or mpd. :)
<Rocha> inphlict, install gstreamer-mad from synaptic
<farruinn> Rocha: that doesn't answer his question
<thoreauputic> inphlict: you may be missing libmikmod2
<inphlict> music works for the other player I have here
<inphlict> the default one with ubuntu
<andrewski> inphlict: did you try running xmms in a terminal to see what output it gives?  it might have some useful output.
<Rocha> farruinn, if he uses rhythmbox, gstreamer-mad will help i think :|
<thoreauputic> inphlict: run it from a terminal and see what errors you get
<Rocha> farruinn, it helped me
<ohgood> thoreauputic,  is there an all-inclusive list somewhere ?
<inphlict> how do I run it from terminal i'm a noob
<inphlict> whats the command
<MobyTurbo> bajone, it's one CD, but it's very carefully selected to give a full desktop environment. You can get additional packages that aren't on CD with synaptic or apt via the net. Even most of a Debian sid snapshot, which is the largest distro there is.
<keffo> asd
<thoreauputic> inphlict: xmms , funnily enough ;)
<inphlict> xmms
<andrewski> inphlict: and you can paste the output to #paste
<inphlict> does nothing
<xerox> Okay, it doesn't work, it depends on debian-specific packages.
<inphlict> when I type xmss I can no output in terminal
<thoreauputic> inphlict: what does  `which xmms` say ?
<keffo> xmms <-
<keffo> ;P
<xerox> Do you suggest checkinstall? thoreauputic referred at it as "quick and dirty" :( ?
<inphlict> sorry I wrote it right in the terminal
<ohgood> anyone have a sources.list for linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386 ?
<farruinn> xerox: yeah, if you want the cvs version just use that
<inphlict> /usr/bin/xmms
<farruinn> xerox: it's easier than debianizing the source yourself
<inphlict> is what I get with why xmms in terminal
<thoreauputic> xerox: works well - makes a deb and installs it
<andrewski> inphlict: well, does xmms start up when you run it?
<inphlict> yes it starts
<xerox> Okay, let me try.
<inphlict> when i try to load a mp3
<inphlict> and play it
<inphlict> it freezes and I can't close it
<andrewski> inphlict: ok, try playing an mp3 and get it to freeze; at that point, there should be some output.
<inphlict> in fact it's open now and I cannot close it
<andrewski> hmm, no output?
<inphlict> nope
<inphlict> it's just frozen on desktop
<thoreauputic> inphlict:  ctrl-c in the terminal
<inphlict> i didn't run it from terminal
<thoreauputic> to close it
<andrewski> inphlict: why not? :)
<inphlict> doesn't close
<inphlict> because this was before I came here :)
<inphlict> I run it from menu
<inphlict> and it froze
<inphlict> i came here
<inphlict> because I cannot close it
<farruinn> inphlict: go to a terminal and do 'killall xmms' :)
<thoreauputic> type xkill in a terminal, and zap it with the mouse, then
<farruinn> that should get the nasty buggers
<MobyTurbo> inphlict, run xkill and click on it
<inphlict> thanks
<thoreauputic> farruinn: yeah, that's easier
<inphlict> killall xmms worked
<ohgood> so, no one has 2.6.10 headers, or a nice HOWTO for nvidia 3d ?
<farruinn> will xkill get all the threads?
<inphlict> okay now what
<thoreauputic> farruinn: probably not
<farruinn> try running xmms from the terminal now inphlict
<MobyTurbo> no need to run it in a terminal, just type alt-F2 to run xkill or other non-menued X programs
<HaRDaWaY> hello
<inphlict> okay
<inphlict> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<inphlict> this is what I get
<inphlict> when I run it
<thoreauputic> MobyTurbo: we're trying to debug
<andrewski> MobyTurbo: we need output.
<MobyTurbo> oh, OK. nm
<inphlict> the mp3s I try to open are mounted from a ntsf system
<inphlict> but they work with the default player
<thoreauputic> inphlict: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
<inphlict> k 1 sec
<farruinn> this bug is documented, right? Someone is fixing it?
<andrewski> farruinn: which bug?
<thoreauputic> farruinn: it's a warty bug - it's fixed in hoary I think
<ohgood> apparently it wants XF86, for nvidia setup, but i'm using Xorg, is there any work around for nvidia kernel patch ?
<farruinn> andrewski: xmms should depend on libmikmod2, apparently it doesn't
<farruinn> thoreauputic: I see
<andrewski> farruinn: ah.
<andrewski> ohgood: hoary?
<inphlict> okay installed all the stuff
<mdke> does xmms have a shuffle albums feature?
<inphlict> but when I ran it again
<Rocha> farruinn, do you know if mono 1.1.4 will be included in ubuntu hoary?
<inphlict> it froze once more
<ohgood> andrew, let me chcek...
<mazzabr> ow. no sond here
<inphlict> no error or anything
<farruinn> Rocha: no idea, sorry :/
<inphlict> just froze
<mazzabr> dont'know what is happening
<mak> is there a way to not redraw the contents of a window while dragging it?
<mazzabr> can somebody help me please.
<andrewski> ohgood: you could just look in /etc/apt/sources.list.
<ohgood> andrew, well, i just 'cat /etc/debian_version'       hell i really don't know what it is
<ohgood> andrew, says 3.1, but not hoary or warty or whatever
<jacques> is it actually possible to get x.org working with the provided nvidia drivers from hoary? or aren't they ready yet?
<andrewski> ohgood: whatever your online sources is the one you're using; if you don't know, it's probably warty.
<inphlict> does anyone know?
<mazzabr> i've already tried to set volume using alsamixer. but it still have nbo sound.
<andrewski> jacques: i'm running nvidia/xorg.
<KurtKocaine> I have one more question, is the cd I ordered in the mail a live cd?
<andrewski> inphlict: did you install libmikmod2?
<ohgood> andrew, i allowed all the sources, but still wont install kernel headers
<inphlict> yes I did
<thoreauputic> ohgood: cat /etc/issue
<mazzabr> btw in windows it works normaly
<andrewski> ohgood: are you trying to manually install the latest driver?
<inphlict> I get no error when I run it in terminal
<inphlict> but it still freezes
<jacques> andrewski: i have to run on the nv driver. can't get it too start otherwise
<ohgood> thenuke, hoary, then
<jacques> only updated today, mind you.
<andrewski> inphlict: i thought you said "libmikmod.so.2 not found"???
<elcuco> what plugin can i install for vieweing vidoe on firefox?
<farruinn> mak: there is a setting in Configuration Editor
<inphlict> yes before
<inphlict> I installed it
<ohgood> andrew, just following the wiki howto for nvidia, it fails at the  vidia-glx-config enable
<inphlict> just now when u told me to
<andrewski> inphlict: and it still freezes?
<garrut> elcucu: mplayerplug-in
<inphlict> yes
<mak> does this work in warty?
<inphlict> and when it does I dont get any error or anything
<inphlict> just freezes
<andrewski> ohgood: hmm, i never used any wiki.
<ohgood> andrew, how did you install ?
<farruinn> mak: yeah, open Configuration Editor and browse to apps>metacity>general
<andrewski> inphlict: well, i dunno then.  i don't use xmms because i don't like it. :P
<andrewski> ohgood: synaptic.
<inphlict> thnx anyway
<KurtKocaine> no answer? :(
<andrewski> inphlict: but, i might suggest you try another player; there are many with merit over xmms.
<farruinn> mak: there is a setting for "reduced resources"
<mazzabr> damit hail!!
<lunitik> inphlict: you should give Rhythmbox a shot... actually very nice.
<inphlict> alright
<Rocha> Ubuntu has a mailing list?
<xerox> I used checkinstall, "dpkg -L package" should show me what it installed, right?
<mak> i'm having trouble finding this configuration editor, sorry
<apokryphos> Rocha: several, yes. Check the site.
<Shaquile> Hey
<inphlict> I will try Rhythmbox
<farruinn> Rocha: lists.ubuntu.com if you'd like to sign up
<inphlict> thnx
<Rocha> apokryphos, ok, thx
<ohgood> andrewski, says it cannot install nvidia-dev
<Shaquile> Were can I see if Ubuntu supports my Aureal Vortex soundcard?
<lunitik> inphlict: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad to make it more useful to you however (will allow it to play mp3 files...)
<andrewski> ohgood: why do you need nvidia-dev?
<ohgood> andrewski, i would like nice 3d stuffs
<farruinn> mak: Applications>System menu I think
<andrewski> ohgood: like what?
* Twiggy slaps ohgood 
<ohgood> hey Twiggy
<thoreauputic> xerox: try apt-cache policy packagename
<elcuco> garrut, is it on some ubuntu repository?
<ohgood> andrew, celestia, others
<garrut> i'm running a dualhead setup with nvidia's twinview here, no problems at all
<mak> ok. thanks, found it
<KurtKocaine> Is the cd you order through the website a live cd? I can't find it anywhere on the website.
#ubuntu 2005-03-29
<lunitik> inphlict: has a tray applet that displays song title etc... and you can change songs via right click on that... there is also a "Mini Mode" (I think its called) that is very minimalistic...
<andrewski> ohgood: ok.  you don't need nvidia-dev for those...
<mazzabr> ok, I'll ask again.
<inphlict> sounds great
<xerox> thoreauputic: hm, it says installed, but I didn't even see it compiling. The only installed things seems to be the docs.
<ohgood> andrewski,  ok, well, it does require 3d, does it not ?
<mazzabr> I can't rear any sound here. I tried to set volume using alsamixer, but still no sound.
<ohgood> andrewski, also, games, etc, i "just want 3d"
<keffo> where the hell do i get my sidepanel in nautilus? ;P
<xerox> thoreauputic: maybe it's because the "non-standard-GNU" way to build? make.sh instead of configure&make?
<andrewski> ohgood: yes, but you don't need the development files for those. :)
<thoreauputic> xerox: did you get the quaetions from checkinstall?
<KurtKocaine> ehh, nevermind, I'll ask again later tonight.
<mazzabr> sound works ok on windows.
<xerox> thoreauputic: I did
<andrewski> ohgood: you have multiverse repository added?
<ohgood> andrew, well, iv'e installed nvidia-glx, and it errs at vidia-glx-config enable
<odysseus> i cant get gftp installed becaue of dependency error messages. i followed starter guide 4.10. what can i do ?
<HiddenWolf> Is there a good tool to monitor the state of s.m.a.r.t harddrives?
<ohgood> andrewski, multiverse ? i have no idea
<inphlict> How do I remove xmms from panel now, i uninstalled it but it didn't remove it
<andrewski> ohgood: ok, h/o a sec.
<thoreauputic> xerox: hmm - I've only used it with the standard ./configure; make ; checkinstall  mantra
<munki> inphlict : right-click -> remove ?
<inphlict> no such option
<ohgood> andrewski, i have everything allowable in sources.list, i haven't found more repos anywhere else
<andrewski> inphlict: you need to update the menu.
<inphlict> how do I do that?
<andrewski> ohgood: well, is multiverse in there?
<xerox> farruinn: is it that difficult to debianize some sources?
<munki> inphlict: from the menu, or from the panel ?
<xerox> thoreauputic: what can I do?
<inphlict> from the foot panel
<ohgood> andrewski, i see no mention of multiverse
<andrewski> ohgood: ok.
<inphlict> under sound & audio
<inphlict> sorry sounds & video
<inphlict> I'm using horay btw
<farruinn> xerox: it'd probably be more difficult to debianize the cvs source than to just get the source package from debian
<ohgood> andrew, hmm, so warty and hoary are releases then ?
<thoreauputic> xerox: did you do the first two steps ( configure, make) before checkinstall?
<keffo> anyone knows where my sidepanel in nautilus wnet?
<andrewski> ohgood: ubuntuguide.org has a nice and quick howto on the subject.  yes, they are.
<inphlict> any idea?
<andrewski> ohgood: i'd hit up that howto quickly if i were you.  post back when you're done.
<ohgood> andrewski, ty sir.
<Rocha> keffo, nautilus in gnome 2.[6-10]  uses spatial mode by default
<xerox> thoreauputic: there are not configure & make steps. But if you mean "build the package" I can try.
<andrewski> ohgood: i'll help you when you come back; i don't mean to dismiss you. ;P
<Tuxadermist> ehehe
<Tuxadermist> Your Fired would work too
<thoreauputic> xerox: checkinstall just puts the bits in the right places after you compile
<gangalino> what can I do about this? -usb 3-1: control timeout on ep0in
<thoreauputic> xerox: man checkinstall to see
<ohgood> andrewski, a good slap in the right direction is all i require :) Normally
<xerox> thoreauputic: ok, let me try building it.
<garrut> has anyone had any problems with X crashing when running vmware?
<andrewski> ohgood: IIRC, there's some good nvidia stuff thereon too.
<majortool> i can't get my laptop touchpad to work and i have psaux as a synaptic touchpad listed in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... is there anything else i have to do?
<goodoldunclemike> ? When mounting vfat..can i use the same commands as redhat
<majortool> mount -t vfat source destination
<ohgood> andrewski, mmm, ok , new sources are listed, but still no kernel headers to be found for 2.6.10.x
<goodoldunclemike> ok thanks
<andrewski> ohgood: i repeat: why do you need kernel headers?
<goodoldunclemike> 1 more?....can kde be installed
<ohgood> andrewski, nvidia stuffs ?
<onEnterFrame> Yay! Ubuntu is such a great distro, I look forward to horay! Anyways, here comes another problem: I installed ubuntu using my external dvd/cdr hooked up in one of the USB ports.. anyways, I can't access the CD while I'm on the GUI, anyone knows what's up?
<thoreauputic> ohgood: I repeat  *linux-headers* in ubuntu
<keffo> tbh, how do i get my sidepanel in nautilus?
<majortool> goodoldunclemike, i just installed ubuntu today and i don't know much about debian but i think its something like apt-get install kde
<neighborlee> does ubuntu use nptl ?
<ohgood> thoreauputic, sorry, i'm used to saying kernel
<andrewski> ohgood: install nvidia-kernel-command and nvidia-glx.  then you have only to properly configure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you're all set.
<thoreauputic> ohgood: but *search* for linux-headers
<ohgood> andrewski, i have it installed, and i've set xorg.conf to 'nvidia' but it's a no-go
<ohgood> thoreauputic, done, no such 2.6.10's found
<neighborlee> ohgood, did you run: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
<goodoldunclemike> ok thanks....
<ohgood> neighborlee, yes, it fails, it wants XFREE86
<blizah> does ubuntu have the abilty to see my SATA RAID windows hard drives?
<farruinn> goodoldunclemike: did you install hoary or warty?
<andrewski> ohgood: all i'm saying is that i have nvidia/x.org with no linux-headers installed....
<andrewski> GLX too. :)
<majortool> i can't get my laptop touchpad to work and i have psaux as a synaptic touchpad listed in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... is there anything else i have to do?, bout to roll my own kernel
<thoreauputic> ohgood: weird - they must have chaged the name *yet again*
<kyc> hi
<kyc> i was wondering if i can install a hardcopy of ubuntu with the liveCD?
<onEnterFrame> so anyone know what's up?
<ohgood> andrewski, oh, not saying ya don't - - ;) just saying it refuses here, and wants xf86 <shrug>
<inphlict> what do I need to do so I can play mp3s?
<neighborlee> ohgood, odd mine works fine and i'm using hoary ;-)
<thoreauputic> kyc: short answer : no
<blizah> anyone know this answer?
<kyc> thoreauputic ynot? it works with knoppix
<inphlict> I get an error about not having a plugin in Rhythmbox
<goodoldunclemike> warty
<ohgood> neighborlee, i'll message the 3 line flood to you if i may ?
<neighborlee> ohgood, sure
<onEnterFrame> Yeah I'm wondering if I can access the CD one way or the other
<thoreauputic> kyc: because knoppix has an installer script
<inphlict> Does anyone know?
<kyc> so i'll have to download both versions? livecd and hardcopy?
<goodoldunclemike> what is there a difference in the 2
<kyc> i want the livecd to test it out
<neighborlee> inphlict, your playing a non supported format
<ohgood> are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is
<ohgood> installed correctly.
<inphlict> there must be a way
<inphlict> to play mp3s with it
<farruinn> goodoldunclemike: hoary is the development release.  You'll have to enable universe to install kde in warty.
<inphlict> how would I do it?
<onEnterFrame> what about me? Why is the CD not working here? Even the installation CD isn't
<ohgood> shoot, i'm not used to xchat, sorry if i flooded folks
<thoreauputic> inphlict: if you sudo apt-get install gsreamer0.8-mad , you can play them with rhythmbox (music player)
<andrewski> ohgood: and that i've never run nvidia-glx-config :P
<andrewski> ohgood: are you sure you have xorg.conf set up to load GLX?
<onEnterFrame> "Unable to mount the selected volume"
<inphlict> thnx i'll try that
<blizah> anyone? (is it possible to get my ubuntu to see my windows discs that are SATA RAID
<alberto> hi
<ohgood> andrewski, yes
<kyc> wtf do you recommend warty or hoary? is hoary stable enough?
<goodoldunclemike> hoary is better then
<alberto> is here any ubuntu ppc maintainer?
<inphlict> I get E: Couldn't find package gsreamer0.8-mad
<kyc> sorry by wtf i meant btw...
<kyc> :P
<onEnterFrame> lol guys anyone knows the answer?
<keffo> Hm, anyone do have this bug.. when you should do 'open with' you cant box the radiobox?
<keffo> hm
<thoreauputic> inphlict: enable universe in synaptic >> settings >> repositories (in fact tick all the boxes there)
<inphlict> there is no settings there
<blizah> anyone?
<thoreauputic> inphlict: and do please read http://ubuntuguide.org and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<farruinn> alberto: I don't think there is any one person in charge of ppc
<inphlict> okay
<thoreauputic> inphlict: yes there are settings ther
<alberto> |2@ahm
<inphlict> i see it now sorry I'm a complete noob
<alberto> farruinn: I dont understand that phrase
<aeolist> hi all
<andrewski> ohgood: i'd take a look then at your xorg log...
<thoreauputic> inphlict: that's OK - just tick all the boxes
<farruinn> alberto: I'm assuming you mean a maintainer for the ppc installer or something?
<thoreauputic> inphlict: you might need to highlight the entries
<inphlict> 1 see 4 boxes
<kyc> is hoarty stable enough that it'd work well as a development platform?
<inphlict> Show disbaled software sources
<inphlict> Automatically check for software updates
<inphlict> am I in the right section?
<farruinn> kyc: probably, you can always just install the preview release and not do upgrades
<inphlict> I'm using horay
<andrew> any one know a good site to add to my apt sourses
<kyc> i program using SDL and OpenGL
<aeolist> how can i reconfigure my network settings with dpkg-reconfigure
<aeolist> ?
<kyc> farruinn, why would i not do upgrades? aren't they supposed to be stability patches?
<thoreauputic> inphlict: the other way is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
<inphlict> I see
<farruinn> kyc: heh, not in a development release
<alberto> why you assume that?
<thoreauputic> inphlict: just read the guides I gave you above
<alberto> ah, because #macosx
<alberto> ok
<thoreauputic> inphlict: ubuntuguide.org is very good
<Sauvaget> hi, upgraded to ubuntu. whenever i try to startx with x.org it says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" it should be installed. any idea why this is happening?
<blizah> can i get ubuntu to see my windows disc's that are on a SATA RAID?  (my ubuntu (warty) is on an ide drive)
<farruinn> kyc: upgrades probably cause the most instability. I think you could just do security upgrades though
<inphlict> i'll try :o
<alberto> then you know my problem?
<farruinn> alberto: I caught the tail end of the conversation
<kyc> farruinn ok thanks, then perhaps i should just use warty for now. i can always upgrade to hoarty when it's finalized
<kyc> are there any major advantages to using x.org and the latest gnome?
<kyc> i'm running an inspiron 1150 if that helps
<thoreauputic> inphlict: IRC is not the quickest way to learn - people have divided attentions - reading is better to begin getting the idea
<thoreauputic> inphlict: also search/browse the ubuntulinux site
<desrt> kyc; no real user-noticeable positives to using xorg unless you use composite (which you probably don't want to)
<desrt> the newest gnome has some new functionality and bug fixes, though
<oclv> at this point, i'm about ready to reboot, remove the harddrive that matters, and allow shells. i'm giving up on nvidia-glx
<blizah> anyone know this answer..ive been looking and am having trouble
<thoreauputic> inphlict: don't forget to hit the reload button after updating your repositories
<kyc> desrt, is composite just a desktop toy more or less?
<farruinn> blizah: have you posted to the mailing list or forums?
<inphlict> oky doky
<thoreauputic> kyc: more or less, yeah
<inphlict> it says I need to delete tree
<blizah> farruinn not as of yet..guess thats the next step :D
<inphlict> nvm
<garrut> i turned it on yesterday and to my surprise didn't even turn it off again, it works great
<thoreauputic> inphlict: lurk here and you'll gradually pick up some clues, as well
<dazed||lap> 83 updates for hoary today :/
<xerox> thoreauputic: it installed only doc again.
<xerox> :(
<thoreauputic> xerox: :(
<ohgood> is anyone using hoary with nvidia 3d, and if so , could you point me to the HOWTO you used ?
<inphlict> I plant too
<inphlict> plan*
<garrut> works fin with me
<andrewski> ohgood: could you join #paste and paste your xorg.conf?
<garrut> i just read the readme
<ohgood> andrewski: sure
<xerox> thoreauputic: maybe I should try the deb-src thing now, do you know how to do it?
<knucks> was the problem w/ the nvidia drivers fixed?
<knucks> if so, link to information?
<thoreauputic> xerox: I don't know - if you're using cvs you might need to read about debian packaging (I'm just a user, not a dev or an advanced debian person)
<knucks> on hoary
<kyc> ok so i'll install warty. i'll be maybe to update to hoary at a later time just by using the update manager right?
<kyc> maybe=able, bad typing today :P
<xerox> thoreauputic: debian unstable hasn't cvs HEAD, just a more recent version than ubuntu's one. Do you know how can I grab it?
<desrt> kyc; more or less
<desrt> kyc; it gives alpha transparancy
<neighborlee> knucks, what kind of problem are you having..I use hoary but see no issues right now
<thoreauputic> xerox: someone in #ubuntu-devel might be able to point you in the right direction
<kyc> desrt: there's that more or less again, o wow you take awhile to respond haha.
<knucks> neighborlee: there were problems with the nvidia driver..no screens were found
<neighborlee> knucks, geF4TI4200 with current nvidia-glx
<xerox> thoreauputic: thank you very much.
<neighborlee> knucks, odd
<desrt> kyc; i'm multitasking
<knucks> right now ive been in gnome safe-mode the past 5days because of it
<inphlict> I can play mp3s with totem
<knucks> i cannot load in normal
<neighborlee> knucks, hmm after fresh install ?
<inphlict> but I can't with anything else
<kyc> so the update manager will take care of release updates?
<knucks> i just get windows but no interface ("Applications, Places, System, icons, etc.)
<neighborlee> kyc, yes
<kyc> cool thanks a lot, hoping to really get into this distro
<neighborlee> kyc, ;-)
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, I'm not using Hoary, I'm using Warty, but I remember having problems with my TNT2 and the next-to-most-recent two nvidia drivers. I'd recommend downloading the latest nvidia driver package and installing it outside of the package system until it is sorted out.
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, www.nvidia.com/linux
<thoreauputic> inphlict: have you added your mp3 s to the music library ? ( right click folder in the file manager, add to music..) They should play with the music player (rhythmbox)
<inphlict> yeah it wont let me add them
<inphlict> it says there is a plugin error
<ohgood> bah i'll just rm -rf / and start over tomorrow this is pointless.
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: ok, you won the 'last try'   then i'm blatting it
<neighborlee> ohgood, aaaaac
<inphlict> I get. "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file."
<neighborlee> ohgood, make sure you grab kernel headers > symlink it to /usr/src/linux and then run the nvidia file and change that /etc/x11 file
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, yes, you'll need the proper kernel headers to install nvidia's installer. Also you'll need to exit X.
<alberto>  how can I eject cd in osx
<alberto> without icon
<thoreauputic> inphlict: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
<alberto> ups
<inphlict> I'll try it thnx
<inphlict> problem with sources
<inphlict> sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
<jaims> :list
<inphlict> E: Malformed line 24 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
<inphlict> E: The list of sources could not be read.
<inphlict> how do I edit the file manually or check the error
<andrewski> ohgood: there's no data in your xorg.conf... are you pasting it correctly?
<blablablek> hi
<Nermal> *pie of rage*
<farruinn> inphlict: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list will allow you to edit it manually
<blablablek> whz does the cd always spin up, even when idle in ubuntu live 5.04
<ohgood> i'll pastebin it
<ohgood> neighborlee: i can't get headers for 2.6.10, they aren't available
<neighborlee> would a OP please PM me for a sec..nothing wrong I just need to ask something ;-))
<ohgood> yes, i know about nvidia and kernel headers
<ohgood> apt doesn't find any
<ohgood> http://www.pastebin.com/259361     my xorg.conf
<ohgood> andrewski: http://www.pastebin.com/259361 should be it
<neighborlee> ohgood, yes they are ;-)
<neighborlee> ohgood, check again ;-=)
<andrewski> ohgood: Load    "GLcore" in Section "Module"
<garrut> ohgood: driver should be nvidia...
<andrewski> neighborlee: i don't think ohgood was talking to you. :P
<neighborlee> andrewski, bah I was just trying to help...take it away ole master
<ohgood> this is the current USABLE xorg.conf, with nvidia it just fails to load X
<ohgood> if i load glx and nvidia, xorg putzes out
<andrewski> ohgood: well, you're not loading GL, i'm jus' sayin'.
<ohgood> andrewski: if it do, it fails
<plex0r> hey i need help...i accidentally changed my screen resoloution to WAY to big...how can i change it in the complete terminal screen?
<andrewski> ohgood: yes, but i'm just trying to help you get it working. :P
<plex0r> whats the command line to edit my x config?
<ohgood> andrewski: i cannot run nvidia-glx-config enable      as it wants XF86
<andrewski> ohgood: you don't need to.  please understand that.
<plex0r> anyone?
<neighborlee> plex0r, what are you trying to do
<garrut> ohgood, it's pretty much the same as mine, except for some twinview options i use
<pvh> plex0r: You can probably use Ctrl-Alt-+/-
<ohgood> andrewski: well, i have no 3d, glxgears fails, and i can't load X with nvidia stuffs.. . so
<garrut> which version do you use?
<andrewski> ohgood: well, you're not loading GL.  do you understand me?
<ohgood> yes
<plex0r> pvh- that doesnt work
<ohgood> andrewski: when i do load gl, X will _not_ start
<burbuja> hellos!
<plex0r> neighborlee: i need to change my screen res back down to normal...but i cant get on the gui cuz its too oversized
<andrewski> ohgood: but why don't you add it and paste the error so we could debug???
<garrut> ohgood, which version drivers do you use?
<ohgood> andrewski: sigh, ok
<ohgood> garrut: 6111
<neighborlee> plex0r,Ctrl-Alt-F1 and edit manually if need be
<plex0r> yeah...how do i edit manually
<garrut> try 7167
<plex0r> whats the command neighborlee
<garrut> those work fine with me
<andrewski> garrut: there are reported problems with those in ubuntu....
<ohgood> garrut: don't they require kernel headers though ?
<tritium> ohgood, I recommend you stick with what's available in ubuntu, not 7167
<neighborlee> plex0r, i'm going to PM you
<burbuja> mako_ eyy i see you again ;)
<andrewski> ohgood: yes, there's a reason 7167 is not in the repositories yet. :)
* aeolist has a question
<garrut> well seeing these don't work for ohgood...
<garrut> why don't try newer ones
<andrewski> garrut: yes, but why?  we don't have an error.
<keffo> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=97969
<garrut> no problems here
<ohgood> 6111 is what the HOWTO suggested, i complied, it refuses kernel headers...
<tritium> garrut, because the version number is not likely to be the problem, and so he can keep his software under package management
<aeolist> the kernel that ships with ubuntu is totally generic, but runs 100% of times... does anybody know where i can get the .config file from?
<tritium> ohgood, oh, you compiled your own?  Why?
<inphlict> /etc/apt/sources.list where can I find the default file?
<tritium> aeolist, /boot
<andrewski> tritium: no, he 'complied'... with the HOWTO
<inphlict> I messed mine up I think
<tritium> andrewski, okay...
<ohgood> tritium: no. this is a default install, <2 hours old
<HrdwrBoB> aeolist: it's entirely modular, and you can just install the 686 kernel package
<andrewski> if i understand correctly... :)
<tritium> ohgood, good
<Rain`> im a bit confused, how do I delete/copy files as root in the file browser (so I dont get permission denied all the time), and not having to use terminal
<andrewski> ohgood: oh, good. :P
<farruinn> inphlict: you're using hoary?
<andrewski> ohgood: so, ready for the additions?
<tritium> ohgood, there was a recent bug with xorg that changed "DefaultDepth" to "1".  Can you check that you don't have this problem?
<mfraase> greetings... I need help with a faulty cursor display with hoary (this is my first linux install, so be gentle)
<inphlict> yes
<inphlict> I am using it
<andrewski> tritium: http://www.pastebin.com/259361
<tritium> andrewski, thanks
<farruinn> inphlict: I'll /msg you mine
<aeolist> ook
<ohgood> tritium: default is '1'
<tritium> ohgood, change it to 24
<inphlict> thnx
<andrewski> ohgood: it looks to be 24 in your paste... ???
<ohgood> oh , i see, my mistake
<andrewski> ohgood: so, can you make some changes to your xorg.conf?
<_CarlosH_> hi
<ohgood> andrewski: what would you like ?
<_CarlosH_> what is ubuntu?
<andrewski> ohgood: Load    "GLcore" in Section "Module"
<andrewski> _CarlosH_: ubuntulinux.org
<ohgood> andrewski: anything else ?
<andrewski> ohgood: yup.
<mfraase> again, can anyone help me with a faulty cursor display with hoary?
<andrewski> ohgood: under the first Section "Device", switch nv to nvidia.
<crb> Site error
<crb> This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:
<crb> Error Type
<crb>     Fault
<keffo> please help, http://www.pastebin.com/259363
<crb> trying to sign up on the ubuntu website
<_CarlosH_> andrewski thanks
<tritium> andrewski, he doesn't want to load GLcore
<ohgood> andrewski: done
<goodoldunclemike> ? does hoary have the root disable like warty does
<andrewski> tritium: why not?
<farruinn> goodoldunclemike: yes
<tritium> andrewski, /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
<[Rain] > how do I open a terminal window at the location im at in the file browser
<ohgood> andrewski: shall i post the errors somewhere now ?
<andrewski> ohgood: h/o a sec.
<womble> What's the Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org ?
<goodoldunclemike> k thanks
<tritium> andrewski, Load "glx", don't load "GLcore" or "dri"
<farruinn> womble: first hit on a google search for "ubuntu packages"
<crb> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<andrewski> tritium: oh, no kidding.  why the heck does GL work for me then? :P
<speel> what if you have glcore and dri and everything is fine?
<farruinn> crb: yup that one :)
<andrewski> ohgood: so yeah, just switch the driver then.
<tritium> andrewski, well, glx is supposed to load GLcore
<andrewski> speel: yeah, really. :)
<HillTop> I'm trying to install Web Authoring System (Nvu) using http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#nvu  and step 4: Download nvu-0.70-pc-linux2.4.23-gnu.tar.bz2 wokred but the file showed up as nvu-0.70-pc-linux2.4.23-gnu.tar.bz2.tar  !! What of the extra .tar?? The next command fails. sudo tar jxvf nvu-0.70-pc-linux2.4.23-gnu.tar.bz2 -C /opt/
<ohgood> andrewski: done
<andrewski> ohgood: you catch all that?
<lunitik> womble: currently isn't an official one.. although there is 'http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/'
<andrewski> ohgood: ok, first paste your updated xorg.conf please, so we can see it.
* lunitik doesn't really get why thats not on the main site yet... but yeah
<sander__> Will Hoary's default kernel be 2.6.10 or 2.6.11?
<mfraase> I installed hoary preview and the cursor works but appears as a ~64x64 block that looks like TV static. Can anyone help me install basic cursors?
<keffo> please help, http://www.pastebin.com/259363
<ohgood> andrewski: ok- http://www.pastebin.com/259370
<andrewski> keffo: i didn't understand that. :)
<lunitik> keffo: apt-get install fontconfig on its own and see what it says.
<thoreauputic_> HillTop: what happens if you rename the file by simply removing the trailing .tar?
<andrewski> ohgood: no, tritium said that you need to take out the GLcore line (sorry) and the dri line too.
<andrewski> ohgood: does that make sense?
<ohgood> andrewski: sure
<keffo> lunitik, exactly the same
<andrewski> ohgood: yeah, sorry about the confusion.
<lunitik> thoreauputic: linux could care less that the file is appended with a .tar
<HillTop> thoreauputic, I guess I could try that.
<lunitik> keffo: libfontconfig1?
<thoreauputic_> lunitik: good point
<ohgood> andrewski: i'm adding im' sure ;)
<andrewski> ohgood: ok, paste when you're done. :)
<keffo> lunitik, same same
<ohgood> andrewski: http://www.pastebin.com/259371
<HillTop> thoreauputic, OK, unpacked a ton of stuff, :)   Thanks
<lunitik> HillTop: what does it say when it fails?
<garrut> that should do it ohgood
<andrewski> ohgood: ok, now try starting X.  let me know if it fails.
<ohgood> aight, brb
<lunitik> keffo: you're sure? doesn't make sense.
<keffo> im sure
<keffo> quite
<thoreauputic_> HillTop: lunitik is right though - the problem was you were trying to unpack it with a file name it didn't recognise because it didn't exist
<lunitik> actually... never mind... libfontconfig1 depends fontconfig  :/
<HillTop> thoreauputic, The error was no such file. Now it has unpacked.  Thanks  :)
<thoreauputic_> HillTop: yes, looking at the command you used - it didn't refer to any "existing" file
<farruinn> HillTop: tab completion is lovely: just start typing the name of the file, hit tab and it will fill in the rest
<ohgood> heh, now, even with the default (original xorg.conf) it fails. neat.
<lunitik> farruinn, HillTop: enless the string matches several possibilities... in which case, hit tab again, and review to see how many more chars must be typed...
<andrewski> ohgood: when loading the nvidia driver?
<marcin_ant> hi all
<lunitik> (hitting tab again lists all files that match current string)
<marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to browse my own samba shares with nautilus?
<HillTop> thoreauputic, But now the rest of the script is broken. But s/.60/.70/  fixed it. Looks like it is installed -- already bugging me about how I like it. :)
<lunitik> marcin_ant: easier said than done... gnome-vfs smb support sucks
<tsume_> oh the iso is so huge :(
<mfraase> Could someone please tell me how to install a basic cursor set in hoary?
<lunitik> mfraase: apt-get install gcursor is as good a start as any
<HillTop> lunitik, thanks. I didn't think about upgrades and new versions, so the script was not upto date.
<ohgood> well, unless someone wants those xorg.conf's, i'll just rm -rf / and start over tomorrow.
<mfraase> lunitik: got it, installed it, it's asking for source directories (I'm a newbie in case that's already not obvious)
<marcin_ant> lunitik: thanks ;) I just thougt so... :(
* lunitik chuckles @ multiplayer notepad
<error_29> How do I change color depth?  all I can find in the menus is screen resolution.
<thoreauputic> HillTop: tab completion takes care of name changes for you, generally
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, rather than rm -rf / and reinstalling like Windows, simply change ubuntu to use the "nv" driver until you get the 3D driver worked out.
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: it doesn't load X.
<lunitik> mfraase: dpkg -L gcursors ... look for things stating /usr/share/somethingtodowithacursor
<lunitik> ogra: *poke*
<bdr> mfraase: create a directory called .icons in your home directory then extract the cursor theme into it. Make a sub directory called default inside the .icons directory and put the index.theme file from the cursor theme in there
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, even the 2D driver?
<lunitik> ogra: gcursor help needed if you're not busy  :)
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: i cp'd the original xorg.conf back and it won't load x.
<ogra> lunitik, nope
<ogra> lunitik, whatsup
<lunitik> ogra: *points at mfraase*
<marcin_ant> lunitik: so what is the best way to _browse_ windows shares in ubuntu?
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, you're sure it uses the nv driver?
<[Rain] > I cant get "gksudo nautilus" to come up in tree mode, but just "nautilus" does come up in tree mode, whats goin on?
<lunitik> marcin_ant: I usually use firefox ... smb://servername/ ... when it decided to work... else smbmount
<lunitik> ogra: lunitik: got it, installed it, it's asking for source directories (I'm a newbie in case that's already not obvious)
<ogra> mfraase, just drag and drop the tar.gz you have on the gcursor win
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: the default xorg.conf is set to 'nv', yes. no, the ddriver isn't installed correctly, i'll assume since the HOWTO's instructions failed, also, kernel-rouces for 2.6.10.x aren't available in apt.
<lunitik> ogra: ignore me... I thought you were having trouble finding what he needed  :)
<ogra> mfraase, (the tar.gz with the cursor theme you downloaded anywhere)
<HillTop> thoreauputic, I guess I don't know what I'm doing :)    I'm stuck on step 6:  File Browser: Office
<HillTop> File Menu -> Create Launcher
<armando> Yay!
<ogra> mfraase, or if you are fine with what is there, just select the theme you like
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, rm -rf / isn't likely to make things progress quicker.
<armando> Hy everyone! Im a new Ubuntu user :)
<marcin_ant> lunitik: ok I didn't know that ffox supports smb but then what is the name of my own serwer?
<marcin_ant> lunitik: smb:///localhost doesn't work
<armando> Need some help though configuring a broadcom wireless network card on a laptop.
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: if you know of a sources.list that includes 2.6.10 headers, i'll bite, otherwise...
<ogra> mfraase, note that you need to log out and in again to make it active
<thoreauputic> HillTop: are you using hoary?
<lunitik> marcin_ant: haha... well... you can use 'smb://localhost/' or 'smb://ipaddr/'
<mfraase> ogra, lunitik, I got it to work by copying the *.theme file to ~/.icons/default/ so long as that doesn't screw anything else up, I'm satisfied. But this is a bug in the preview distribution
<bdr> armando: what's the problem with it?
<andrewski> ohgood: you don't need headers!
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, unfortunately I'm running warty, I value stability, so I can't give you much x.org advice.
<Dakko> If I upgrade from Warty to Hoary, will I have to re-configure ndiswrapper and its drivers/configuration?
<ohgood> andrewski: it's starting to look like it does.
<lunitik> mfraase: you're telling the right person then... he's the maintainer  :)
<armando> bdr: its not detecting it as a wireless card.  Its under the device list at the bottom but says its unknown.
<thoreauputic> HillTop:  cat /etc/issue to see if you have warty or hoary
<HillTop> thoreauputic, Warty. And I found a window under other stuff: named Office with what I needed next.  So onward....  :)
* andrewski runs glxgears and says no to ohgood.
<ohgood> andrewski: fair enough.
<ogra> mfraase, its the same that gcursor does pon drag n drop....
<ogra> s/pon/on
<bdr> armando: is that using ndiswrapper and the windows driver? That's all I know how to do...
<andrewski> ohgood: i've only said it a handful of times....
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, you only need headers if you're installing the nvidia.com driver.
<ogra> mfraase, so you made it right then ;)
<ohgood> andrewski: i've heard you.
<armando> bdr: ok, im on a major learning curve.  Ive heard of that but how do I install/use ndiswrapper?
<lunitik> marcin_ant: I didn't say smb:///localhost
<ogra> mfraase, i'll look at it, if there is really a bug, thanks for reporting :)
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, what chipset does your card have?
<thoreauputic> HillTop: I personally think putting an HTML editor under "Office" is a little odd, but what would I know ? ;-)
<lunitik> marcin_ant: two '/''s
<marcin_ant> lunitik: ok ok but smb://localhost/ failed too
<mfraase> ogra, lunitik: thanks for the help... ogra: it worked fine with warty but broken with two hoary installs on two different Sony laptops
<bdr> armando: Probably best to google for the wireless card's chipset first to see if it has native Linux support
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: gforce 2 MX or so
<armando> bdr: no good what i found out on the wiki? I believe it doesnt from the wireless cards supported list.
<lunitik> marcin_ant: IP?
<jogariga> i just installed ubuntu, but i need some other packages. How can i get them with apt-get?
<marcin_ant> lunitik: firewall.... propably....
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: this is the howto i followed. it fails at 'nvidia-glx-config enable' http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, TNT and MX cards had some problems with the previous two versions of nvidia's drivers. Try the latest from nvidia.com if you can get headers or source.
<lunitik> jogariga: apt-cache search what_you're_looking_for ... apt-get install what_you_want
<mfraase> ogra: basic hoary preview install results in what looks like a 64x64 pixel block that looks like television static for a cursor. It tracks properly, and the upper left corner works, but it's painful. (thanks again)
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: lol- i can't get the headers though!
<ogra> mfraase, you mean gcursor ? or the theme itself ? the latter is a known bug
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, that assumes of course that the nvidia driver in Hoary is not the buggy one. I don't know if it is.
<bdr> armando: if it doesn't, apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils and follow the instructions here : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation
<jogariga> lunitik: it says that it doesn't find it
<thoreauputic> jogariga: you'll probably want to enable the universe repository as well
<lunitik> jogariga: what are you looking for?
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, can you get the source? The source is the same as the headers, except more other stuff. :-)
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: it's 6111. i'm using 6629 (gentoo) now, with no errors.
<jogariga> lunitik: ethereal
<mfraase> ogra: No, I installed gcursor to try to resolve the problem but it turned out I was too stupid to use it.
<ogra> mfraase, ah, that sounds more like a X server issue, you could try to set the HWCursor option in your xorg.conf
<andrewski> ohgood: do you have linux-restricted modules installed?
<ohgood> MobyTurbo: did you see the howto i posted ?
<lunitik> jogariga: in /etc/apt/sources.list ... uncomment the universe line... then apt-get install ethereal
<armando> bdr: thanx :) I will try that :)
<mfraase> ogra: it's working with the manually copied *.theme file so I don't want to upset the applecart.
<jogariga> lunitik: thanks
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, I've seen that howto and use it myself, but I'm on Warty so my versions are different than yours.
<ohgood> andrewski: i have no idea, i ddin't install anything myself.
<lunitik> jogariga: gah... prior to apt-get install ... apt-get update
<HillTop> thoreauputic, OpenOffice has an editor, so I guess it is there to compete head to head.   But I can't get Nvu to launch - past the make profile. Oh well.
<andrewski> ohgood: well, i think you may have to.  that's necessary for nvidia to run.  (i'm reading that howto you posted, but didn't think to mention that before.)
<ogra> mfraase, ok, but it rather sounds like a HWCursor issue :)
<blizah> anyone familiar with dmraid?
<ogra> mfraase, but if it works now, leave it  ;)
<andrewski> ohgood: on the other hand, you could still post the error you're getting when X won't load.  that would help debug this much faster. :P
<[Rain] > will it be possible to upgrade from the hoary preview release to the hoary final release?
<ohgood> andrewski: let me mount ubuntu's / ...
<andrewski> ohgood: ok.
<HillTop> thoreauputic, I gotta restart GNOME.  brb
<nathan2> ok, i accidentally grabbed the livecd my friend had instead of the installer for hoary....is there a way to dump it on the hard drive?
<bdr> [Rain] : yes. I upgraded from warty preview -> final fine
<lunitik> [Rain] : yes... with a simple 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
<thoreauputic> HillTop: try launching it from a terminal to see any errors
<[Rain] > ok cool, cuz I didnt want to put too much effort into my preview if that wasnt the case
<thoreauputic> HillTop: if it's in /opt you might need the full path
<nathan2> i remember knoppix made it easy to install on the hard drive...
* lunitik loves his 'alias apt-get='sudo apt-get'' line... he fucks up so much less  :)
* andrewski loves using root.
<lunitik> [Rain] : second apt-get should be sudo apt-get again
<HillTop> thoreauputic, It starts with the make profile thingy window - it is confuusing, I made a directory to put it in but then nothing.  brb
<ohgood> andrewski: http://68.32.245.96/~oclv/misc/
<MobyTurbo> ohgood, I remember on Debian sid I had to get nivida.com's drivers, and the bug list for nvidia.com's latest says it fixed bugs with older GPUs, such as TNT2 and GF MX that had previously had problems.
<andrewski> ohgood: what the heck is that parse error on line 1?
<ohgood> andrewski: got me
<andrewski> ohgood: what's on line 1 in your file?
<jogariga> lunitik: yes it worked thanks
<Fackamato> keffo: spamma probs
<jogariga> lunitik: can i upgrade firefox to 1.0.1 with apt-get?
<ohgood> andrewski: you mean xorg.conf or... ?
<lunitik> jogariga: if you're using hoary... yes
<andrewski> ohgood: yes, xorg.conf.  what's the first line?
<DoppelGanger> # hehe
<ohgood> andrewski: refresh, ~oclv/misc/xorg.conf
<lunitik> ohgood: why is that there?
* lunitik is dum
<andrewski> ohgood: hmm, i have no idea what that means, but that's the error causing it not to load.
<lunitik> as proven... grr... dumb
<andrewski> lol
<Dakko> If I upgrade from Warty to Hoary, will I have to re-configure ndiswrapper and its drivers/configuration?
<andrewski> ohgood: that's the default xorg.conf?
<ohgood> andrewski: yes
<andrewski> ohgood: strange.
<Quest-Master> Dakko: Most likely not.. I can't confirm though
<ohgood> lunitik: why is what / where ?
<Dakko> That's been the most excruciating experience of Linux so far :) Don't want to do it again soon :)
<jogariga> lunitik: how do i do it?
<lunitik> ohgood: never mind
<ohgood> ok
<bdr> Dakko:Probably nothing more than an ndiswrapper -e, ndiswrapper -i. You probably should install ndiswrapper 1.1 anyway, it's got loads of bugfixes apparently
<nathan2> can anyone tell me how to install hoary on my hard drive with a hoary livecd?  or if it's even possible?
<andrewski> ohgood: i'd join #xorg and ask about that.  once you get X working default, that howto should be fine for setting up nvidia/glx, but you shouldn't need to run nvidia-glx. :)
<lunitik> jogariga: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox for individual... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade for everything else too
<andrewski> ohgood: i actually have to go now; good luck!
<ohgood> andrewski: aye. me too
<andrewski> ohgood: l8r
<ohgood> thanks for the effoert andrewski
<runedude> how do I close X with gdm again?
<madstop> My question is the reverse of jogariga's -- what's the best way, in hoary, to replace the upgraded(and buggy) firefox with firefox 1.0?
<HillTop> thoreauputic, OK this Nvu is going to take some thinking to get going. It is all just the profile thing. :(
<runedude> it's like in /etc/gdm or something
<runedude> I forgot :|
<thoreauputic> HillTop: I wonder if it's a version problem - mine installed without issues
<keffo> hm /etc/init.d/gdm stop / start
<blizah> YAYAYAYAYA you can get ubuntu to see your SATA RAID windows device
<blizah> wooohoo
<blizah> sry bout that
<marcin_ant> lunitik: ok - I got it now - my firewall was blocking
<marcin_ant> lunitik: but another problem
<runedude> thanks keffo
<bdr> madstop: I just downloaded the installer from mozilla.org and put it in /usr/local/firefox. Works great, and the font rendering is far better than the ubuntu version
<runedude> thanks
<runedude> bye
<marcin_ant> lunitik: I can see shared folder but cannot browse it at all
<thoreauputic> HillTop: mine is version 0.80
<marcin_ant> lunitik: maybe you know what to do with this problem?
<HillTop> thoreauputic, It is installed and launches. I got the icon and all. I just don't know what to put for profile. I say make one and none gets made.  I have version 0.70
<madstop> Thanks bdr!  the ubuntu version is pulling a vanishing act on my downloads, and I don't trust it...
<HillTop> thoreauputic, I have used Nvu on a livecxd and like it, but I can't even get to a help screen. :(   I have a visitor, so will be off line for about a hour or so.  Thanks
<raveneye> Hi, does anyone knows if there's a problem with sound preview in Hoary?
<thoreauputic> HillTop: do you have firefox or mozilla open? try closing them
<bdr> madstop: the ubuntu version makes Slashdot look seriously ugly, too. even worse than normal
<thoreauputic> HillTop: OK
<bdr> raveneye: I have never,ever,ever been able to make sound preview work on any GNOME distro.
<blizah> how would i get a program dmraid to load on startup and set up the drive mounting (that dmraid detects) on startup?
<blizah> ive made a bash file do it...
<raveneye> bdr, it *was* working in warty...
<bdr> grr, latest fontconfig hoary upgrade won't install
<bdr> raveneye: Really? How did you make it work?
<raveneye> worked out of the box
<raveneye> bdr, got sox installed?
<bdr> raveneye: I must be cursed I guess. Stuff always seems to break around me.
<raveneye> check if you got sox
<bdr> "sox is already the newest version."
<thoreauputic> bdr: for sound preview of mp3 and wav, install sox
<thoreauputic> oops sorry
<raveneye> thoreauputic, i have. doesnt work
<GFXstyLER> hi
<raveneye> in warty when you hovered over a *mp3
<GFXstyLER> has already someone got 3d for ati radeon mobility 9600 to work?
<raveneye> you got a subthread sox working that did the trick
<GFXstyLER> i know that 3d works for ati 9800 cards etc, but i want to know if it works for radeon mobility 9600 too
<thoreauputic> raveneye: I have warty - preview works on mp3 and wav, but not ogg for some inscrutable reason
<raveneye> now i get a "zombie" nautilus sub thread
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Is there anyway to fix my sound??  I updated yesterday and now it sounds all fake...I can't tell where people are in CS now because I can hear everything all over the map
<raveneye> thoreauputic, lucky you
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I wasn't doing that till I updated
<salgado> I've just built the at76c503a-source package, using make-kpkg modules_image but am getting a "version magic '2.6.8.1 686 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8.1-5-k7 preempt K7 gcc-3.3'" when trying to load the module. what can I do to build the module with the correct version magic?
* madstop is ready to throw a laptop out a window and hope it lands on a hoary old garden gnome and kills it.  
* madstop 's X server is about to become his ex server.
<GFXstyLER> LOL
* GFXstyLER is laughing his a$$ off
<kyc> woo i'm running hoary right now, runs and looks great
<kyc> so smooth and fast
* madstop tries not to resent the fact that warty hates him, gnome hates him, ubuntu hates him and penguins think his head is an ice-floe in an outhouse.
<kyc> can i assume the install version of hoarty runs the same as the livecd?
<GFXstyLER> i would use it immediately but i need 3d because iam a 3d app developer ... damn why i got a notebook with ati graphics card :/
<armando> ok, downloading the drivers now with help from bdr :)
<farruinn> is anyone else having trouble logging into the ubuntu wiki?
<GFXstyLER> kyc: yes it should nearly be the same
<bdr> kyc: apparently not if your name is madstop
<armando> bdr: got ndiswrapper installed and found the drivers needed for the card I have with the PCI id.
<kyc> gfxstyler: i'm running ati and am also a graphics developer. works fine on my laptop
<madstop> I meant to say hoary, not warty.
<Errejo> what's the easiest way to uninstall something that I installed using apt-get ?
<farruinn> Errejo: apt-get remove
<GFXstyLER> kyc: you got ati radeon mobility 9600 ? w00t!?
<thoreauputic> Errejo: sudo apt-get remove <package>
<bdr> armando: it's working ok - you're typing over wireless?
<Errejo> thanks farruinn !
<GFXstyLER> Errejo: apt-get remove blabla ?
<kyc> gfxstyler: think so, i have an inspiron 1150
<Errejo> guess I should have figured that one myself :D
<thoreauputic> GFXstyLER: the blabla package should never be removed! *g*
<armando> bdr: not yet. Have it pluged in.
<armando> bdr: but was able to follow the instructions from ndiswrapper.  Now downloading the drivers.
<madstop> kyc, 64bit hoary is extremely fast.  Installs fast too.
<farruinn> This is weird, I've reset my password twice for the wiki but it still won't let me sign in
<armando> bdr: but once I download em and open the file, do I need to make apermanent directory for it or can I expand it on the desktop and then delete?
<bdr> armando: you can just put it in a temp directory: "ndiswrapper -i" on the driver .inf file will copy it to /etc/ndiswrapper automatically for you
<gfxstyler> kyc: r u sure that u got an ati ? i cannot find anything on the net about it :)
<kyc> madstop: well i only have x86 :P
<kyc> gfxstyler: i'm sure it's an ati, look up dell inspiron 1150
<armando> bdr: ok thanx :)
<kyc> gfxstyler: i haven't tried any 3d with it yet, looking for it now. wonder if it has bzflag preinstalled
<gfxstyler> kyc: try blender
<gfxstyler> if it runs slow as hell, u dont got 3d :D
<kyc> gfxstyler: good point :) is the blender install easy for linux?
<HrdwrBoB> glxinfo
<madstop> hoary's running great (though with annoying quirks) on my amd64, but it managed to break my other, older laptop.  Back to warty for that machine
<HrdwrBoB> glxgears
<HrdwrBoB> are the standard tests
<gfxstyler> kyc: apt-get install blender or something like this (i did a search for blender in synaptic and got it)
<kyc> glxgears runs smooth as pie
<kyc> smoother in fact :P
<gfxstyler> kyc: how many fps?
<kyc> gfxstyler: doesn't say but it rotates like one of those paper windmills (but really fast, like those toy things)
<madstop> What does "FATAL: Module We're a laptop" mean?
<bdr> kyc: it will give the FPS in the terminal window you typed glxgears in
<kyc> o wait it does say, i forgot to look at the console window: min 500 fps, max 2000 fps
<gfxstyler> kyc: it even does without 3d acceleration :)
<kyc> well do you know of any better benchmarks? other than installing blender, i'm lazy hehe
<gfxstyler> kyc: thats not that fast, my other computer with nvidia gets 6000-8000 :D but the hell with it, im downloading hoary now
<ssam> ooo distrowatch says array cd 7 is out
<gfxstyler> kyc: the best benchmark for me: tuxracer *lol*
<kyc> gfxstyler: hehe well it's not installed
<gfxstyler> kyc: if fglrxinfo does not show up with "mesa" then everything is alright
<crschmidt> I accidentally blew away the firefox theme that comes with ubuntu
<crschmidt> is it on the website anywhere?
<kyc> gfxstyler: is that a command? fglrxinfo commant not found
<thenuke> it is in the repositories
<thenuke> apt-get
<armando> bdr: how do I check the system log?
<thenuke> synaptci
<thenuke> synaptic
<thenuke> is used to install software in to ubuntu
<gfxstyler> kyc: if u install the ati fglrx drivers then u have this command
<gfxstyler> kyc: i found out that if u have hoary and install the ati fglrx driver everything runs much smoother (user interfaces, etc)
<kyc> gfxstyler: no i just loaded up the cd a few minutes ago. do i find it thorugh apt-get?
<gfxstyler> kyc: yes but i have to tell u that if u do anything wrong with that u can trash your x-server (and thats bad), i trashed mine for 5 times already *lol*
<armando> Can anyone tell me where I can see the system log?
<gfxstyler> armando: do you mean dmesg ?
<bdr> armando: tail -n X /var/log/syslog, where X is the number of lines you want to see
<armando> gfxstyler: yup thats what I need :)
<kyc> gfxstyler: http://www.bafsoft.com/hosted/grandmachina/projects/chronoDoll.0.1.1.zip
<kyc> gfxstyler: that's my openGL physics demo, it runs fine for me
<sic|> anyone know of an app that will look at two directories and compare the contents and give you a report...like dircmp command?
<gfxstyler> kyc: i guess u have 3d then :D runs fine for me too
<kyc> gfxstyler: hehe cool, are you on windows right now? you ran my app pretty quickly
<gfxstyler> kyc: yes iam... very funny to kick these little boys around *lol*
<kyc> gfxstyler: hehe it's weird in ubuntu my demo feels and looks a lot better than on windows :P
<madstop> I can't understand why the screenshot applet keeps trying to force me to save to the desktop, or in "file system"  Damned stupid design.
<gfxstyler> madstop: i can't understand why i cannot do a screenshot with [print]  at all
<LinuxJones> gfxstyler, PrintScrn doesn't work for you ?
<ollie> is anyone using a sound blaster audigy 2 with hoary?  I've seen people both saying it works and others saying not.
<josue> is there a light email client? evolution, and thunderbird take too much ram.
<ollie> would like to know before I go buy one ;-)
<ssam> madstop, is that the new save file dialog`
<gfxstyler> LinuxJones: if i press the [print]  button on my keyboard it does not do anything if you meant that
<josue> Also, that can be minimized to a tray icon.
<ssam> you should be able to fold down a traditional view
<madstop> yeah, that would be nice.   Kde has a great screenshot applet; don't know if that works with [print]  either though
<kyc> one thing though, fonts don't look as smooth in linux, do i need to turn on smoothing in the options?
<LinuxJones> gfxstyler, maybe you don't have the correct keyboard selected ?
<madstop> yes, ssam, the save file dialog-- it's a pain in the neck!  useless
<gfxstyler> kyc: u can set font smoothing in the options somewhere
<ssam> kyc you should be able to turn it on
<ssam> in the fonts control panel
<kyc> ssam i see it thanks
<gfxstyler> kyc: i have subpixel highlighting activated for lcd, looks DAMN good
<ssam> in the save box, click browser other folders
<kyc> gfxstyler: holy crap, it does look good
<sic|> so no one knows of a dircmp type app?
<ssam> kyc :-)
<ssam> if you put drop shadows on its almost as cool as mac os x
<gfxstyler> ssam: but they only work with nvidia cards
<farruinn> sic|: midnight commander maybe if I understand you right
<majortool> whats the name of the init config file?
<farruinn> sic|: the package is mc
<ssam> mine work on an ati radeon 9000 64mb, with the open souce driver
<sic|> farruinn, I cp'ed a dir and got some i/o errors and wanted to compare to see what is missing
<gfxstyler> ssam: but the performance should be low
<sic|> farruinn, drive is going bad...  :(
<madstop> I'm about fed up with gnome.  may go to kde, visual overkill and all.  It's just better thought out than gnome.
<blizah> hrm i havent done anything to ubuntu..but my sound has stopped working
<gfxstyler> madstop: for kde u may have a look at "kubuntu"
<blizah> or at least my headphones..
<farruinn> sic|: oh, the quick way to do that is 'ls /original/directory > original ; ls /new/direcotory > new ; diff original new'
<gfxstyler> madstop: or try xfce 4.2 (i like it more than gnome, kde or anything else)
<madstop> damn, I just realized though, I think I may have killed xorg on my other laptop with kubuntu, though.  Anyway, that was the last thing I installed before it went kerplooey...
<zeff> has anyone else's mouse slowed to a crawl since upgrading X on warty?
<sic|> farruinn, probelm is it is 108Gb worth of files
<gfxstyler> blizah: what ubuntu do u use? hoary?
<blizah> warty
<gfxstyler> blizah: i had this problem only on hoary (polypaudio sucks!)
<madstop> Yes, gfxstyler, xfce 4.2 is excellent!  Nice design
<farruinn> sic|: hm, well maybe 'ls /dirA | wc -l' and compare that to 'ls /dirB | wc -l'
<riddley> I'm using the AMD64 port of Hoary and my fonts are completely nuts with QT apps... any pointers?
<farruinn> sic|: that will tell you the number of lines of output from ls in both cases, if it's the same you're fine
<mdke> someone has changed my password at ubuntulinux.org. How can this be?
<farruinn> mdke: is it telling you to reset your password as well?
<pcybill> mdke: same here as well
<mdke> farruinn, it is suggesting it yes
<mdke> omg
<mdke> we have the worst website of any distro
<pcybill> lol
<farruinn> must be something up with the server
<pcybill> agree with farruinn
<mdke> yeah guess so
<ssam> no, try an get any info out of the yellowdog linux site
<mdke> lol
<gfxstyler> mdke: i like the ubuntu website :) fast and simple
<mdke> gfxstyler, but it doesn't work
<gfxstyler> mdke: well i didnt know that, sorry
<mdke> gfxstyler, you frequently get "page not found" after logging in on the wiki, and there are caching problems too
<majortool> does anyone know the name of the init config file
<Nobuyuki`> hoy ubuntu people
<mdke> hi Nobuyuki`
<chapter3> hey all, i'm trying to install the mplayerplug-in, and it says it requires the mozilla-devel package, but i can't find that package to install
<pcybill> hoy Nobuyuki
<Nobuyuki`> first time trying a linux distro since I was a kid, actually installing it now on a 10 year old computer
<mdke> Nobuyuki`, cool
<usual> fontconfig broken in hoary?
<farruinn> Nobuyuki`: _10_ years old?
<Nobuyuki`> farruinn:  that is correct
<Nobuyuki`> if I remember right the CD drive I took out of it (busted servo on the caddy) said manufactured feb 1995
<mdke> you're gonna put ubuntu on it?
<mdke> crazy but cool
<Nobuyuki`> yeah, well I'm trying
<gfxstyler> mdke: lol
<Nobuyuki`> the only kink I have on it right now is that it didn't detect the ISA NIC
<Nobuyuki`> and I came in here wondering:  does ubuntu support ISA at all?
<kenvandine> ISA?
<kenvandine> yikes
<kyc> btw to automount my partitions i can just edit the startup script right?
<thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: IIRC there's a package called isapnp or isapnp-tools
<pcybill> everyone is googling right now Nobuyuki be just a sec lol
<Nobuyuki`> I googled it up and although I found a few forum posts on the 'net there was no conclusive answer which is why I'm asking you guys
<mjg59> What do you mean by support ISA?
<gfxstyler> kyc: u could write them to the fstab
<chapter3> hey all, i'm trying to install the mplayerplug-in, and it says it requires the mozilla-devel package, but i can't find that package to install
<gfxstyler> chapter: do a look for mozilla in synaptic
<Nobuyuki`> thoreauputic:  I'm on that page right now.  I'm wondering if the tools will help me!  There's a tool specifically for the exact card I'm using so I'm excited and crossing my fingers
<mjg59> There's no hardware autodetection for ISA, but should be for PNP cards
<thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: apt-cache search says the package is "isapnptools"
<usual> fontconfig broken in hoary?
<kyc> omfg....ubuntu is a godsend, it works with my wacom tablet!!!
<thierry> I think my ubuntu is not working with the UTF-8 charset... how can I check that and maybe fix it
<thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: whether it helps you I don't know...
<mdke> thierry, dpkg-reconfigure locales
<mdke> thierry, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
<Nobuyuki`> mjg59:  thanks for that info.  once the OS loads up I'll attempt to install the tools for ISA NIC's, and I'll tell you guys how it turns out (or if I get stuck) XD
<mjg59> With 2.6 kernels, you shouldn't use isapnptools
<mjg59> The kernel will set the cards up automatically
<armando_> ANybody know a good WiFi SSID locator for ubuntu?
<thoreauputic> mjg59: ah, interesting
<Nobuyuki`> well, the installer didn't detect the ISA NIC so I'm wondering if I should try those tools anyway
<Nobuyuki`> here's the page I came up with:  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/net/nictools-nopci
<gfxstyler> kyc: thats nice to hear since i thought about getting a wacom tablet in the future too
<kyc> gfxstyler: yep :) there's no pressure sensitivity right now but i might be able to conifgure gimp for that. it's not too important anyway
<pinPoint> how good is ubuntu
<pinPoint> is it recent and supports most hardware
<pinPoint> like my Dell laptop wireless nic
<[Rain] > blah hoary has locked up 3 times for me today
<gfxstyler> how much time would it take to install & configure ubuntu completely? i only have 1 day
<kyc> pinpoint: yep, it's supporting my wacom tablet when knoppix, fedora, and mandrake failed to do so
<gfxstyler> pinPoint: good is relative
<housetier> thierry you can "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" and select as many locales as you want, then make one the default
<kyc> bbl, thanks for the help guys
<pinPoint> kyc: sounds promising since mdk is whining over my nic
<gfxstyler> pinPoint: for myself ubuntu is the best distro ever
<usual> will fontconfig being broken break anything else?
<mdke> website is back dudes
<pinPoint> linux?
<madstop> is it my imagination, or is the universe repository kind of outdated for a lot of apps?
<neighborlee> anyone here good with chanserv commands..I really could use help identifying as a contact on a channel ( yes its my own channel)...thx anyone ;-)))
<ollie> perhaps a silly question, but if I install or remove a sound card, should hoary pick it up and do the right thing? or do I need to configure it?
<armando> anyone able to help me to set up wifi radar in ubuntu, please? :)
<gfxstyler> madstop: the universe repository has no support thats why
<madstop> reason I ask gsxstyler, is because only an older version of xfce is in there.
<PacoBCN> 109 updates right now, and this morning other 90
<PacoBCN> wow
<housetier> thierry as for xchat use "/charset utf-8" for now, and also have a look at this: http://xchat.org/encoding/
<gfxstyler> madstop: yes you have to get it somewhere else
<riddley> what's the package that asks you if you have an LCD or a normal monitor (for font rendering)
<gfxstyler> madstop: need a link?
<madstop> yes please gfxstyler
<ssam> riddley, try the font control panel in gnome
<[Rain] > what is the different between synaptic update manager and ubuntu update manager?
<PacoBCN> why so many updates today?
<madstop> I used the older xfce briefly with warty, and I liked it.  But I ended up trashing that install.
<mdke> PacoBCN, because the devs are flair :)
<gfxstyler> madstop: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=36
<PacoBCN> hehe
<thoreauputic> PacoBCN: I think array 7 is out
<madstop> Thanks gfxstyler !
<riddley> ssam: that's not what I mean...
<DarthFrog> PacoBCN: Getting cloes to release time and the developers are active. :-)
<PacoBCN> I just wish I had more computers to install Ubuntu agaun
<PacoBCN> again
<PacoBCN> :D
<mdke> PacoBCN, steal them!
<ssam> you should break into people house in the night and install it
<riddley> I'm using the AMD64 port of Hoary and my fonts are completely nuts with QT apps... any pointers?
<gfxstyler> PacoBGN: i for myself really like updates :D its like getting candy
<mdke> ssam, wicked id
<mdke> *ea
<PacoBCN> mdke, all the ones I have are stolen
<PacoBCN> :D
<ssam> gasp, its true, irc is full of criminals
<mdke> lol
<mdke> yep
<mdke> i read that somewhere...
<PacoBCN> gfxstyler, yes, for me it's like "well, I don't know what, but it will work better"
<[Rain] > what is the different between synaptic update manager and ubuntu update manager?
<PacoBCN> :D
<ssam> slashdot?
<gfxstyler> PacoBGN: lol
<mdke> lol
<ssam> [rain]  not much
<ssam> they should both do the same thing
<[Rain] > they should just merge them into one update tool then
<PacoBCN> many updates but still I get killed in Enemy Territory :D
<mdke> [Rain] , one has greater flexibility
<ssam> the update tool just does updates
<mdke> gotta love the add/remove programs tool
<GammaRay> does the shipped kernel in warty have ufs2 support?
<ssam> its very easy to use and you cant bork your system with it
<mdke> one in the eye for windows users, to find out that it is actually possible to ADD programs with that tool
<madstop> is "ubuntu update manager" the thing that shows an icon in the notification area?  That's pretty cool.  I like.
<ssam> lol
* armando sighs.
<mdke> windows -> control panel -> add/remove programs >.<
<armando> Anyone able to help me with my wireless card? It doesnt seem to link up to any network :(
<mdke> what type?
<GammaRay> and if it did... would the ufs "sub partitions" be seen as extended partitions? or what?
<gfxstyler> armando: mine doesnt too .. its like its dead and gets no signal
<mdke> lol
<armando> gfxstyler: yup :(
<mdke> there he goes
<mdke> armando, what type card?
<[Rain] > too me an entire day to get my wireless usb adapter to work
<PacoBCN> I went to have dinner tonight and I realized that half of the people sittin in my table (6) are Ubuntu users :D
<mdke> i took 2 weeks on a usb adsl modem once
<kerframil> usual: I'm having that problem too
<armando> its a broadcom laptop wireless card.
<mdke> PacoBCN, cool
<mdke> armando, do you know the chipset?
<PacoBCN> mdke, yes, and I didn't count my gfriend who uses my laptop :D
<mdke> armando, lspci
<mdke> PacoBCN, you obviously go to geek dinner parties
<usual> kerframil, I'm sure it's no big deal and will be fixed fast, but I am curious if I should logout of X, does fontconfig have any bindings to x?
<ssam> my girlfriend runs ubuntu
<armando> mdke: Yup, located a bunch of drivers for it and loaded wdiswrapper.
<mdke> usual, kerframil, known problem i believe
<kerframil> mdke: no doubt
<ssam> (the ultimate geek brag)
<kerframil> usual: it shouldn'
<GFXstyLER> damn windows
<kerframil> usual: sorry
<cef> armando: what sort of networks? I've not been able to get mine to connect to anything encrypted, or anything in the 802.11a range yet
<[Rain] > ssam, I think the fact that you have a girlfriend is more impressive
<usual> np
<armando> mdke: Yes, it is encrypted.
<mdke> hmm
<kerframil> usual: I daresay it's a bug in the post-install script but I'm not intimately familiar with Debian's package system yet - hard to say
<PacoBCN> mdke, at all, just normal people
<mdke> armando, with ndis shouldn't be a problem
<armando> cef: It is encrypted.
<mdke> PacoBCN, i want your friends
<ssam> no, the fact that she still lets me mess with her laptop
<PacoBCN> mdke, but I recommended Ubuntu since it was warty beta
<bluefoxicy> anyone know how to make an opencd?
<armando> mdke: what if its an encrypted network? how do I know its looking for a network in the first place?
<riddley> any ubuntu devs in here?
<cef> armando: yeah.. I'm not sure what to suggest there. in the same boat
<mdke> riddley, they have their own channel
<mdke> they are special
<LinuxJones> riddley, #ubuntu-devel
<gfxstyler> they are aliens
<madstop> man, every time hoary updates, I hold my breath -- seem to be getting more and more error messages
<cef> armando: actually, scratch that, I've got an atheros chipset, not broadcom
<mdke> gfxstyler, aliens who are a force for good tho ;)
<PacoBCN> I saw many updates of "hal" lately
<ssam> mark shutleworth is from space
<armando> cef: ok :)
<cef> armando: but same symptoms
<riddley> thanks
<gfxstyler> mdke: yes u are right hehe
<kerframil> usual: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7815
<usual> ty
<pcybill> ssam: that would explain a great many things =)
<thoreauputic> mdke: from a small planet near alpha-centauri ?
<gfxstyler> madstop: everytime i updated it ran better than before
<Nobuyuki`> so far, running on the seat of my pants.... not sure whether or not this 2gb hd will be enough room for the packages and swap XD
<mdke> thoreauputic, :)
<mdke> Nobuyuki`, heh
<mdke> Nobuyuki`, how much ram?
<ssam> who needs swap?
<Nobuyuki`> 48mb
<mdke> hmm
<gfxstyler> lol
<mdke> he does
<ssam> oh, you need swap
<farruinn> it let you run the installer?
* mdke points
<madstop> is there some reason why ubuntu doesn't want me to save to my home folder????  I'm getting tired of dragging stuff off the desktop!
<Nobuyuki`> yeah right now it's extracting the packages on the first bootup
<farruinn> Nobuyuki`: warty or hoary?
<Nobuyuki`> hoary
<mdke> madstop, yes that is annoying, i'm sure there is a solution
<gfxstyler> madstop: you have to set this in the firefox settings
<mdke> oh yeah in firefox sure
<ssam> its the new save box in gnome
<gfxstyler> madstop: extras/settings/downloads
<ssam> its a pain
<mdke> ssam, heh
<armando> took of security
<armando> see if that lets me connect.
<cef> Nobuyuki`: well it should be.. when I installed ubuntu on my machine (and while it was installing) I was checking the disk free in the spare terminal, and it never seemed to go over 1.7 GB
<madstop> gfxstyler, actually I'm still referring to screenshots, not firefox.  Firefox I can handle (and that's a bug that will get fixed) The save file dialog in gnome though, just cludgy and annoying
<ssam> i am sure gnome will start making a one button mouse soon
<mdke> armando, were you following a howto or something?
<armando> mdke: for ndiswrapper yes.
<mdke> madstop, yeah screenshots default to desktop too :(
<armando> mdke: but after that im not sure what to do aside from downloading the radar to locate the server.
<PacoBCN> be careful, there are dependenc problems in last updates
<cef> Nobuyuki`: but then again, df most likely doesn't show up programs using temp space
<gfxstyler> madstop: oh, didnt know this, i wiped out ubuntu a week ago ... but now i wipe out windows in a few minutes hehe
<ssam> madstop can you click browse for other folders, in the save box
<madstop> like many dialogs in gnome; everything seems designed to waste as much of the user's time as possible.  Adding or moving applets on the panels, likewise inefficient
<armando> mdke: but thats going to have its own set of problems considering I have absolutely no idea what Im doing.
<thoreauputic> ssam: haha - yeah and a dialogue that pops up and says "You seem to be trying to configure GNOME - this is not a Good Idea (tm)"
<mdke> madstop, i agree. Also once you save a screenshot to home, it doesn't remember your settings
<mdke> armando, are there no native drivers for your card?
<madstop> Exactly, mdke.
<ssam> and "you want to edit menus, eh. dont"
<mdke> ssam, that is not intentional i believe ;)
<mdke> madstop, lets browse in gconf
<ssam> i know, i love gnome
<thoreauputic> install imagemagick and do ' import -window root `
<ssam> and i love its mac os classic feel
* ssam is mac junky
<armando> mdke: i think so, but used the first one that supported the pci id that I found.
<madstop> heh, gconfig, yeah, that's user friendly to browse through!  That damn thing is one of the reasons I take a lot of screenshots!
<cef> editing menus tends to break on major version updates.. which should only happen when moving from release to release.. since hoary is still not final, this can technically happen every second day
<mdke> madstop, just trying to work around...
<riddley> what's the kde equivalent of gnome-control-center ?
<cef> price you pay for running bleeding edge
<mdke> cef, ?
<ssam> kontrol-kenter?
<mdke> cef, what is?
<riddley> kcontrol
<thoreauputic> Knome?
<cef> mdke: editing menus vanishing
<madstop> sorry mdke, I thought you were comparing the usability, not suggesting a way to change defaults!  my bad
<cef> mdke: edited even
<mdke> cef, no it isn't, that is not planned for the 2.10 release
<mdke> cef, editing menus is permanently off the menu until 2.12
<cef> mdke: ahh ok.. well, that'
<mdke> iirc
<ssam> someone in the forums (punkass?) has made a python menu adder
<mdke> oh
<mdke> tell him to post it in the relevant bug and maybe they'll get it in intime for hoary
<cef> mdke: ahh ok.. well, that's just my opinion anyway.. based on the way it happens in other dists too
<thoreauputic> I suggest all error messages should be identical, and read "Havoc doesn't want you messing with GNOME" *grin*
<madstop> mdke, I know there's a way to better control screenshots via the terminal, but I forgot the commands
<ssam> and in theory you can now have a generic menu editor for all desktops
<cef> mdke: and I don't just mean in gnome, kde does it like that too
<mdke> cef, i agree that in development systems things can go wrong. But this isn't an example ;) and they were complaining about some features in gnome, rather than bugs ;)
<mdke> but all in all it is pretty good let's face it
<cef> mdke: I currently triple-boot this machine.. ubuntu, debian, XP (spit!)
<mdke> whoa
<mdke> how come?
<PacoBCN> weird problems upgrading Hoary:
<PacoBCN> E: fontconfig:  el subproceso post-installation script devolvi el cdigo de salida de error 10
<PacoBCN> E: libfontconfig1:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
<PacoBCN> E: xbase-clients:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
<PacoBCN> E: x-window-system-core:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
<PacoBCN> E: xterm:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
<mdke> PacoBCN, yes
<PacoBCN> mdke, did it happen to you too?
<PacoBCN> Now I'm affraid of restarting X
<mdke> haven't tried yet
<JDigital> how do i shot web
<mdke> PacoBCN, heh
<usual> shot web?
<mdke> PacoBCN, this is a good time to go to bed and update in the morning
<PacoBCN> kill the internet?
<madstop> yeah, I'm seeing a lot of those messages too, though no en el idioma de Cervantes...
<cef> mdke: had to tell ubuntu's grub to use the debian kernel images via the symlinks (/vmlinuz et al), so that kernel upgrades on debian don't require so much work, and of course removing grub from debian so it doesn't overwrite the boot setup
<PacoBCN> mdke, probably you're right but I wanted to kill some nazis with Enemy Territory
<PacoBCN> :S
<mdke> PacoBCN, hmm
<cef> mdke: XP? cos of work.. debian, cos I do stuff in debian that I'm not sure ubuntu is ready for yet.. and anyway, it's good to look at how the other side works
<mdke> k
<cef> mdke: which is why in debian I'm using primarily using KDE.. *grin*
<mdke> ah i c
<mdke> well you could test kubuntu on the other partition
<madstop> A lot of awesome open source apps are available in Windows these days.  It's for them that I keep using it.
<mdke> hmm
<armando> think I found it!
<cef> mdke: true.. mebbe in the future.. currently, I'
<JDigital> hahah, ##1111111111 is sure filling up
<cef> mdke: true.. mebbe in the future.. currently, I'll stick with this setup
<mdke> my problem with windows is that i've lost my system restore cds and its getting harder and harder to install illegal versions
<thoreauputic> madstop: open source apps available for Win and not Linux ? Such as?
<jacques> i get a segmentation fault on all multimedia apps. any suggestions?
<mdke> illegal makes me feel dirty
<GFXstyLER_> mdke: illegal is dirty
<cef> mdke: well this is on a toshiba, so I got XP Pro installed on it by default
<GFXstyLER_> :)
<cef> thoreauputic: OpenOffice?
<mdke> gfxstyler, yeah you're right
<madstop> not - easily, for me - available in ubuntu, thoreauputic .  I'm too dumb for wine, not every developer, believe it or not, is working in *nix.
<cef> thoreauputic: oh woops.. missed the'not'
<thoreauputic> cef: :)
<mdke> madstop, ;)
<madstop> Keynote (tranglos software), WxWikiserver, BSPlayer (freeware, not open),
<madstop> Foobar2000 (linux audio players are a joke compared to that)
<cef> thoreauputic: I need XP for work.. tends to be hard to support or develop applications for windows in non-windows environments
<thoreauputic> madstop: I'm just curious as to which open source apps are availab;e only for windows...
<spiraloid> has anyone had any difficulty using a custom xfce install after upgrading to hoary preview? will I need to compile/install again?
<madstop> I just listed some
<thoreauputic> cef: sure
<Nobuyuki`> thoreauputic:  check /vb/ section of planet source code ;D
<thoreauputic> ah - vb - i see :)
<kerframil> thoreauputic: there are a few here and there, CDex springs to mind (which is rather good as it goes)
<cef> thoreauputic: I'm actually going to try running XP under some sort of emulator.. I've already set up XP to support different hardware profiles, so that if I run it under some sort of virtual machine, I won't screw up the drivers when I run it natively
<madstop> I held off trying linux for quite a while, because hey, open office runs fine in windows, you can even get gimp in windows
<Nobuyuki`> I do my programming almost exclusively in vb cause it's easy and fast to get what I want done... however if there were such a basic variant that worked well on all modern OS's I'd jump on it
<nvashi2> what are the best gnome based wed design tools -graphics creators/editors/viewers, html/php/xml/java editors [wysiwyg optional, prefer to code] 
<armando> Ok, found some new drivers for the wireless card to see if thats it. How can I uninstall the current ones from ndiswapper and install the new ones?
<gfxstyler_> basic? nah i go for c++ :D
<cef> Nobuyuki`: well VB is going away anyway.. you'll need to use vb.net at least
<Nobuyuki`> cpp takes too long for me to do anything with it... I have this problem with being lazy and having a short attention span
<Nobuyuki`> also, I hate vb.net
<LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, there is always Python
<cef> Nobuyuki`: looked at delphi/kylix?
<Nobuyuki`> no user deserves to download a 24mb runtime file you didn't tell them about beforehand to use your '60kb' .NET app
<madstop> and, forgetting the obvious superiority of the basic linux operating system to windows, the fact is in many ways WinXp is a much less aggravating desktop manager than gnome.
<Nobuyuki`> I looked at delphi, it looks nice but the syntax is pretty old
<madstop> at least when tweaked with non-microsoft products
<Nobuyuki`> right now my eye's on a thing called PureBasic, which recompiles to ASM on the platforms available to it (currently:  Windows, Linux, AmigaOS)
<spiraloid> that's why i use xfce :)
<cef> Nobuyuki`: interesting
<neighborlee> Nobuyuki: hmmmm nice
<Nobuyuki`> problem is it's not free
<cef> Nobuyuki`: doh!
<Nobuyuki`> still cheaper than VB was XD
<Nobuyuki`> like, 39 bucks
<cef> ok.. time for lunch, bbk
<cef> $39 isn't too bad.. USD I'm guessing
<neighborlee> Nobuyuki`: be nice if they ever port blitz3d to linux...
<Nobuyuki`> blitz pisses me off for a number of reasons
<Nobuyuki`> I used to be a beta tester before the first windows version of blitz was released
<Nobuyuki`> the one most nagging thing about blitz is that its community is unfriendly
<JDigital> 1111110893
<Nobuyuki`> a lot of people are out to make a profit on their crap and so therefore if you want some tools to make your life easier programming the thing you either get a response of "be grateful for what sibly [the main programmer]  gives you" or "buy my tool"
<farruinn> is there a way to change the "default" gtk+ theme so I don't have to run gnome-settings-daemon in other windowmanagers?
* gfxstyler is getting something to drink
<farruinn> I don't understand why,but I run gnome-settings-daemon & from a terminal but when I close the terminal it kills the daemon
<Nobuyuki`> dudes.  this thing's taking forever to unpack
<thoreauputic> I listened to an interview with Mark Shuttleworth on lugradio - I like his attitude to the community, and his emphasis on excellence rather than profit as his goal
<farruinn> I think a .deb is just a .tar.gz...
<thoreauputic> farruinn: you killed the parent process?
<spiraloid> what does it mean when apt reports that a package is being 'held back'?
<madstop> Uh, what's the name of that program you use to change convert other distro's packages to .deb ?
<calc> alien
<thoreauputic> spiraloid: it means it needs a new package as a dependency that it can't find, usually
<mdke> thoreauputic, presumably he would want to make some money out of the project?
<thoreauputic> madstop: alien
<madstop> ah, that's it, thanks thoreauputic
<farruinn> thoreauputic: shouldn't the & make it run in the background though?
<spiraloid> strange.. i'm just going through an apt -s dist-upgrade, and it reports x-window-system-core as one of those (the other is ntfstools).. will that be a problem?
<inphlict> I'm having trouble with getting mplayer, I have no sound with it
<spiraloid> I'm preparing to upgrade to hoary preview
<inphlict> Anyone know any fixes
<thoreauputic> mdke: yes, but not necessarily right away (he's filthy rich anyway ;) )
<inphlict> I have hoary preview
<LinuxJones> farruinn, that should be make & :)
<mdke> thoreauputic, link pls?
<mdke> to radio cast
<gfxstyler> hnphlict: i may know why
<inphlict> tell me pls :)
<thoreauputic> mdke: for lugradio?
<mdke> google?
<thoreauputic> mdke: hang on a tic
<gfxstyler> inphlict: in gnome system monitor is there a process called "polypaudio" running?
<mdke> thoreauputic, i'll find it hopefully
<gfxstyler> inphlict: i had that process too, after i killed the polypaudio process i had my sound back :)
<HillTop> thoreauputic	I'm back. :)    I start Nvu and the choose user profile window comes up. I can't get beyond it. I made a profile for myself but Start Nvu seems to do nothing.
<inphlict> gfxstyler: No
<JDigital> Happy 1111111111 everyone!
<inphlict> Nothing like that is running
<gfxstyler> inphlict: oh then im sorry for that
<inphlict> :(
<madstop> dependency problems... fontconfig is not configured yet... blah blah blah.
<mdke> thoreauputic, found it
<inphlict> I read something about system hijacking sound when it first turns on
<^thehatsrule^> whoa... lotsa ppl here
<HillTop> thoreauputic	In fact when I try it again the profile I made is gone.
<inphlict> I get an error about sound being used in mplayer
<^thehatsrule^> i have a question, in the ubuntu installation, can you select which to install?
<thenuke> inphlict: :( so you system must be hijacked then?
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: how is that meant?
<pcybill> HillTop: run this command and try again to run.  sudo chown -R username .nvu
<inphlict> I have no idea I'm a noob
<thoreauputic> mdke: episode 7
<^thehatsrule^> or does it install everything on the cd at once?
<inphlict> but thats what I read from the forum :(
<^thehatsrule^> i mean like packages :P
<thenuke> inphlict: well, I wonder why you don thave sound :)
<crb> you can do a base only install with 'server' at the boot prompt
<thenuke> what are you trying to play?
<crb> and then apt-get the stuff you want
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: no not really
<HillTop> pcybill -- where username is my user?
<pcybill> aye
<thenuke> do you have codecs for what ever media you are trying to play
<mdke> thoreauputic, cool thanks
<farruinn> ^thehatsrule^: I think if you do custom it will put you into aptitude at the end
<mdke> thoreauputic, that looks like it has loads of awesome stuff
<^thehatsrule^> oh, so its too much of a hassle to do i guess?
<mdke> thoreauputic, also an interview on kubuntu
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: you would have to install in expert mode, there you can select if you want additional packages installed or not
<farruinn> ^thehatsrule^: you're probably better off installing everything then apt-get removing what you don't want as you use the system
<^thehatsrule^> whoa, thenuke you use ubuntu? :P
<thenuke> ^thehatsrule^: atm, no
<thoreauputic> mdke: yeah, it's interesting - if you can follow the htread with all of them talking over each other *grin*
<^thehatsrule^> ah... so it would be expert on boot
<mdke> thoreauputic, really...
<mdke> thoreauputic, i will listen with interest
<thenuke> ^thehatsrule^: why do you ask thing like that
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: but you want to have an x-server, right? so i would say that you better install everything and remove the stuff you dont like later
<thoreauputic> mdke: yeah, the guys who run the show like to talk all at once - but the Shuttleworth interview is good
<^thehatsrule^> cause, i dont have much space left, after partitioning
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: how much space is that?
<goxy> how make intel 536ep work on ubuntu
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Is there anyway to get file-roller to unrar .rar files?
<^thehatsrule^> 2gb
<^thehatsrule^> approx?
<Riddell> mdke: what's this about an interview on kubuntu?
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: i guess that should be enough, but not sure
<madstop> I could have sworn that gnome in warty used to remember where I would put my windows; in hoary, terminal always opens where I don't want it...
<^thehatsrule^> mmmk
<JDigital> How do I run quake on lunix
<JDigital> and Malice
<mdke> Riddell, thoreauputic showed me lugradio, they have an interview on kubuntu
<^thehatsrule^> and also what i think is weird... is that ubuntu is giving out free cds?!
<JDigital> because I just found that I have original copies of both
<Riddell> mdke: with whom?
<madstop> hell, even windows manages to remember where I want my windows...
<goxy> i make intel536.ko module insert it make links to dev.modem but modem not works any sugestions
<mdke> Riddell, with jeff waugh
<pe7er> happy 11111111111111 *
<Riddell> mdke: right
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: not weird, clever - the user base is buiding fast
<gfxstyler> yes and i like it hehe
<^thehatsrule^> i just may order a cd just because of having it :/
<^thehatsrule^> lol... they need a phone number?
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: why dont you share the cds?
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: the idea is to order a few and give them to friends
<^thehatsrule^> oh i see..
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Is there anyway to get file-roller to unrar .rar files?   Anybody ????
<^thehatsrule^> is the phone # neccessary?
<DarthFrog> ^thehatsrule^: You do know that Mark Shuttleworth, the driving force behind Ubuntu, got $500 million from Verisign, for the sale of Thawte Consulting?  This is how he chooses to spend it.   That, and going up in the space shuttle. :-)
<^thehatsrule^> file-roller?
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: probably not
<^thehatsrule^> hm..
<^thehatsrule^> well.. ill install it on school systems haha
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I want a gui based unrar program... I can do it on the terminal now
<^thehatsrule^> if it works how i like it
<^thehatsrule^> use a file manager Butters|XGH|Snip?
<^thehatsrule^> add a custom command, like unrar -x %f i assume?
<[Rain] > ok so wow, that was the 4th time hoary has locked up today
<Butters|XGH|Snip> ^thehatsrule^, hmm I can add commands to file-roller?
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: the problem is specific to rar - unrar
<^thehatsrule^> ive never used file-roller hehe
<thoreauputic> Butters|XGH|Snip: you can add scripts to Nautilus
<gfxstyler> is ubuntu able to unrar password secured files?
<^thehatsrule^> why dont you use like emelfm?
<madstop> Does anyone know if there's any kind of *nix emulator that one can run in a window in WindowsXp?
<^thehatsrule^> wait, did you get the one at www.rarlabs.com or is this one different?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I'd rather just use what I already have really....theres gotta be a simple way to do it
* gfxstyler is burning the new array7 cd now
<madstop> just for learning *nix commands, etc
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: probably because it's gtk 1.2 and looks kind of odd (nice file manager though)
<[Rain] > madstop: qemu
<^thehatsrule^> well theres a gtk2 version of emelfm as well
<thoreauputic> madstop: cygwin
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol qemu....took me a while to get running
<[Rain] > yea its sorta slow but it works well
<gfxstyler> if i cannot get ubuntu hoary up and running within 1 day my girlfriend will kick the hell outta me :/
<^thehatsrule^> vmware is your best bet :)
<Butters|XGH|Snip> yeah can ubuntu use the accelerator thing they have out?
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: ah Ok - didn't know that - thanks
<Butters|XGH|Snip> vmware costs to much... qemu = free
<^thehatsrule^> well, vmware beta 5 is free right now
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol right now
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<^thehatsrule^> its been for a while
<^thehatsrule^> so dunno
<madstop> googling qemu; thanks [Rain] .  thoreauputic , I tried cygwin before; kind of resource heavy, and I'm not looking for a gui, just a terminal, with an editor maybe
<MobyTurbo> of course, you could be like me and be microsoft-free so you don't need to worry about running things in vmware.
<^thehatsrule^> cygwin is developed by redhat... its fine for a terminal and editor
<Butters|XGH|Snip> QEMU -    http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/index.html
<Butters|XGH|Snip> [Rain] , does the accelerator work on ubuntu?
<MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, vi and emacs have regular Windows versions too.
<madstop> ok, I'll check into QEMU, and cygwin -- I do remember I loved cygwin's download system, very easy
<HillTop> pcybill	-- thank you.
<^thehatsrule^> lol, well madstop wants it :P
<MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, I used to use gvim when running Windows.
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Qemu was pretty simple...I just figured out I'm a major dumbass when it comes to very easy things
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I can't figure out stuff that doesn't make me think
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
<rever> Can someone help  me I installed Call of Duty and when I try to start it. i get that I don't have opengl loaded. How can I load this?
<goxy> i make intel536.ko module insert it make links to dev.modem but modem not works any sugestions
<gfxstyler> anyone got a ov511 cam working on ubuntu ?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
<thoreauputic> Butters|XGH|Snip: I fail anything labeled "child-proof"  ;-)
<goxy> i make intel536.ko module insert it make links to dev.modem but modem not works any sugestions
<Butters|XGH|Snip> LOL
<Butters|XGH|Snip> COD won't run without Cedega/Point2Play
<^thehatsrule^> why not?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> oh and 3D drivers
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
<rever> I have cedega installed
<Butters|XGH|Snip> what version?
<^thehatsrule^> isnt it quake3 based?
<rever> 4.3
<gfxstyler> isnt COD quake3 engine?
<MobyTurbo> rever, what kind of video card do you have?
<^thehatsrule^> hah
<thoreauputic> goxy: /dev/modem probably doesn't exist - you might need a symlink from /dev/ttyS0 or similar
<gfxstyler> lol i cannot get 3d to run on my notebook with ubuntu anyways
<rever> MobyTurbo, 6600GT I did the recomplile instuctions on the forum to get nvidia driver buit
<Butters|XGH|Snip> if COD is on the Q3 engine they've modified the hell out of it...because Q3 looks nothing like COD at all...COD is smooth
<^thehatsrule^> q3 is smooth
<MobyTurbo> rever, do you get the nvidia logo and is glxgears fast?
<^thehatsrule^> 1998-1999
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, I have a 6800 GT and I had that problem
<gfxstyler> no u can recognize q3 when you play COD
<crb> Update: Kickstart works well in Hoary preview, but the %packages section seems to not work.
<crb> Anyone know if it's meant to?
<^thehatsrule^> its like mohaa
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, don't rcompile the drivers with any of the patches
<thoreauputic> goxy: like  sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
<madstop> thanks for the info on emulators folks.  I'm one of these weirdos who learns best with a tv on for background noise, and my Windows box is my tv :)
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, I followed the instructions on Ubuntus website. thread 12823
<Gato> hello
<Butters|XGH|Snip> oh so your using the 6629
<MobyTurbo> madstop, you can use a TV tuner card in Linux too. tvtime+libdscaler is the way I prefer.
<rever> MobyTurbo, Yeap glxgears flies for me.
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, what speed you getting on glx?
<gfxstyler> is there some equalizer for ubuntu ?
<MobyTurbo> rever, I don't know then - I've never messed with cedega.
<Gato> who can help me????
<gfxstyler> like on windows i can use soundman.exe
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol ask your question
<^thehatsrule^> kmix alsamix gfxstyler?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I play all my games on Point2Play/Cedega
<crb> gfxstyler: theres one on the panel, else try alsamixer ?
<MobyTurbo> gfxstyler, ceck out the context menu for the volume control in the upper right
<MobyTurbo> check*
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<madstop> MobyTurbo, I was under the impression that ATI all-in-wonder cards were not usable in linux...
<gfxstyler> yes thats volume control but no equalizer lol
<MobyTurbo> madstop, I have a Happauge card.
<^thehatsrule^> it is usable
<madstop> and like a moron, I keep buying ATI
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, how many fps you getting with glxgears?
<gfxstyler> ati + linux = sucks! screw it! i hate ati i wish i would never bought that crap!
<Butters|XGH|Snip> LOL I said that when I bought my 9600
<Butters|XGH|Snip> look where I am no....lol.... 6800 GT OC
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, Well I was able to run it now it gives and error about glx
<MobyTurbo> madstop, the lowest price Happauge tv card is $50, and it works well in Linux - better with tvtime+libdscaler than the windows software that comes with  it!
<madstop> next project for Mr Shuttleworth:  buy ATI!
<MobyTurbo> Hauppauge*
<rever> I am going to reboot.
<gfxstyler> my nvidia works without any troubles ... lol but ati .. omg
* thoreauputic considers writing a script to filter out all occurrences of LOL/lol on IRC...
<DarthFrog> madstop: Much cheaper just to buy a enw Nvidia card. :-)
<Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
<Gato> i have a problem, when to switch on the computer show that : modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp(/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-5-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permitted
<Gato> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp(/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-5-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko): Operation not permitted
<Butters|XGH|Snip> I got my 6800 GT OC for $300
<Gato> what is this????
<Butters|XGH|Snip> new in the box too
<LinuxJones> Gato, you can ignore those
<Butters|XGH|Snip> PCI X ???
<gfxstyler> the problem is that i cannot change my ati card because i would have to buy a new notebook
<MobyTurbo> there are cheap nvidia cards too.
<MobyTurbo> gfxstyler, bummer
<^thehatsrule^> ived tried ati with linux long ago...
<^thehatsrule^> on my 8mb card
<gfxstyler> lol
<^thehatsrule^> worked tho... dri with 3d sort-of worked
<^thehatsrule^> much slower... for some reason
<Fackamato> xine doesn't show my subtitles
<Fackamato> mplayer does, but screws the picture
<Fackamato> kaffeine doesn't help, and totem sucks
<Fackamato> ;(
<zerovertex> ... i wish there were a ubuntuguide.org for ppc.
<madstop> I was amazed years ago to actually get the ati video tuner working in BeOs, with somebody's patch.  amazing.  ugly, but worked.
<zerovertex> half of that stuff works for ppc... the other half... don't
<goxy> i make it its a link to node /dev/536ep
<madstop> Fackamoto, that's why some genius needs to port Bsplayer from windows to linux
<goxy> this way works on fedora
<goxy> and mdk
<goxy> but for ubuntu not
<goxy> i cant see what is diference
<MobyTurbo> old ATI Rage Pro 128 cards probably had the best 2D Linux acceleration ever, but of course nowadays videocard makers concentrate on 3D accel.
<tjs> where is the package msttcorefonts? I have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe restricted   as my source
* gfxstyler is going to install hoary on another computer now
<tjs> but I cant find it
<kapputu> fuck windows
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<gfxstyler> i hope grub does not make any troubles because of the mbr, then i neither have linux nor windows
<LinuxJones> tjs, add multiverse
<tjs> LinuxJones, cheers :)
<_case> is anyone else having issues with eterm on an ibook ?
<tjs> kapputu, dont cut your knob fucking windows dude
<tjs> all that glass..
<gfxstyler> lol
<regeya> !
<kapputu> tjs that was an order to u
<regeya> settle down!
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, I get 7200 give or take 100
<gfxstyler> lool
<kapputu> read carefully
<^thehatsrule^> oh crap
<^thehatsrule^> theres already another version comoing out in april?
<madstop> Linuxers should really get over the childish "fuck windows" stuff.  It gets old.
<Gato> LinuxJones, i have other problem: when I see a movie and try listen music in xmms. the xmms send the message : "pleace check that: your sound card is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected and no other program is blocking the soundcard
<gfxstyler> yes hoary is coming out in april
<regeya> indeed
<^thehatsrule^> windows sitll will always have its uses :P
<kapputu> madstop: I just had a stupid problem with windows and I said that in frustration
<goxy> right now this modem works on fedora core 3
<regeya> indeed madstop
<neighborlee> ^thehatsrule^: damn if I know what they are
<^thehatsrule^> dang... i just dont know if i should order like 3 cds now
<farruinn> Gato: make sure you're using esd for output
<neighborlee> ^thehatsrule^: heh
<farruinn> Gato: or Esound as xmms calls it
<LinuxJones> Gato, your probably using OSS and not alsa
<goxy> but in ubuntu it doesnt
<madstop> well, kapputu, if you'd said, fuck Gates, I'd have agreed with you
<goxy> what to so
<Gato> i use alsa
<regeya> there are uses for windows...fortunately I don't have any need for it
<^thehatsrule^> heh
<neighborlee> regeya: the few I have im trying to RID myself of LOL
<^thehatsrule^> i like oss
<LinuxJones> Gato, ok run gstreamer-properties and select alsa as the output sink device
<gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: you can update anytime to it via apt-get dist-upgrade , so u dont have to set up a new system then
<madstop> (except when Gates has his "cure diseases in the 3rd world" hat on... ;-)
<kapputu> madstop: a mad , gay rapist wouldn't touch him
<Gato> ok
<regeya> I won't say Gates is all bad.  When's the last time Linus or RMS gave a few bil to charity?
<kh4nh> hi guys, what's diffrent between GUI and graphical frontend
<^thehatsrule^> yes, but some places where im at dont get good inet
<neighborlee> regeya: the nasty hurdle atm is msaccess which I started using years ago for invoicing business needs and now I must find way out LOL
<HrdwrBoB> regeya: when was the last time they had 10 billion ;)
<LinuxJones> Gato, make that default sink "Output"
<gfxstyler> kh4nh: there is no
<regeya> heh
<kapputu> regeya: when was the last time that Linux had a BSOD
<_case> jesus christ
<gfxstyler> LOL
<_case> what is this
<_case> #15yrolds-for-ire
<Butters|XGH|Snip> LOL
<madstop> if Gates hadn't had this asinine concept of "intellectual property (read: steal what was free, dumb it down, and lock it up) he could have achieved incredible things
<thoreauputic> regeya: they might have - you just didn't hear because they don't trumpet it to the world with a PR megaphone
<kapputu> _case: even though u meant hire, ire is just fine in this ase
<_case> shut up about what platform is better than the next, it's like a pissing contest, it gets so old
<inphlict_> Hey can someone help me with mplayer pls
<Gato> how????
<regeya> kapputu: I've had a kernel-panic since the last time I saw a BSOD.  it's a sore subject. ;-)
<kh4nh> i just install mlDonkey and mlDonkey-gui, after that i couldn't fire up mlDonkey-gui
<_case> kapputu, no i ment ire
<regeya> kapputu: in case you hadn't noticed, v2.6 is the development kernel
<inphlict_> I have no sound and I get audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
<Fackamato> mplayer, xine, totem
<kapputu> _case: ire for hire?
<Fackamato> what other media players are there
<Fackamato> vlc
<inphlict_> any idea?
<_case> kapputu, stop trolling you mediocre little guybrush
<gfxstyler> totem,xine,mplayer,vlc
<LinuxJones> Gato, run gstreamer-properties and select alsa from the dropdown box
<madstop> different platforms do different stuff, and sometimes if you throw out the sucky platform, you're throwing out the ingenius workarounds too.
<gfxstyler> caffeine or something like that too
<kapputu> _case: you need a lil humor in life
<regeya> _case: /ignore works well
<armando> Can anyone help me get my wireless card working? I cant seem to make it find the hub :(
<_case> kapputu, i have lots.
<regeya> _case: my calculator is better than yours
<farruinn> let's all remember this is an ubuntu support channel pleaes
<farruinn> please*
<madstop> God bless open office, Gimp and others for saying, hey, you use Windows, ok, you can get some cool open stuff too
<kapputu> armando: what card is it?
<inphlict_> Does anyone know why I have no sound in mplayer
<inphlict_> I'm a complete noob
<thoreauputic> guys, go to #ubuntu-offtopic for flamewars
<armando> kapputu: Broadcom card on a compaq presario 2500 series laptop.
<_case> aaah sweet silence
<gfxstyler> see u guys in ~40-60 minutes :D , bye
<inphlict_> audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
<inphlict_> is the error I get when I open a file
<inphlict_> video looks good and runs fine but no sound ;(
<LinuxJones> Gato, ok hit alt+F2 then start typing gstreamer-properties (it will auto-complete)
<Fackamato> vlc works but the subtitles look like shit
<armando> kapputu: got ndiswrapper to locate the card with the drivers I downloaded. It just wont locate any servers :(
<Fackamato> like 320x200 resolution when i'm fullscreen
<Fackamato> armando: dns
<kapputu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16591
<inphlict_> I tried using ALSA already
<inphlict_> no help
<Gato> and what more???
<farruinn> inphlict_: you need to tell it to use Esound or esd
<armando> kapputu: thanx, I'll check it out now :)
<inphlict_> Yes ESD doesn't worth either :(
<inphlict_> I tried all of them
<pinPoint> can this program be found for ubuntu
<pinPoint> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
<inphlict_> only ESD works for sound on system
<inphlict_> everything else doesn't
<LinuxJones> Gato, the dropdown box that appears in the Output section what does it say ?
<inphlict_> but I still can't get sound in mplayer
<inphlict_> I have sound everywhere else
<thoreauputic> pinPoint: yes
<inphlict_> including the other player on my system
<madstop> yes, pinPoint, but I'm not sure which repository
<kh4nh> anyone using mldonkey-gui,
<farruinn> pinPoint: vlc is in universe
<inphlict_> I tried searching for the error and found some stuff but I can't get anything out of it
<inphlict_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2743.html
<farruinn> kh4nh: dpkg -L mldonkey-gui | grep bin will tell you the commands it installs
<inphlict_> any ideas?
<madstop> pinPoint, there's some kind of gnome front end for it too, but I think the original video lan gui is better
<Gato> output alsa
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, How do I load drivers from nvidia website.
<madstop> (and by the way thoreauputic -- videolan runs much better in windows! ;-)
<kh4nh> farruinn: got it, thanks
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, This is the kenrel I am running that I compiled... 2.6.10-6600gt-2
<LinuxJones> Gato, did you select alsa or was it there already ?
<thoreauputic> madstop: heh - I have it in mac OS-X (runs well)
* thoreauputic gives madstop the Penguin Award for Windows Advocacy ;)
<Gato> i selected now
<regeya> hehe
<Gato> i have reboot???
<inphlict_> I GOT SOUND IN MPLAYER? How can I make permenate. I did "killall esd"
<inphlict_> any ideas?
<LinuxJones> Gato, nope click the test button right below
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, All you do is download the drivers depending on your Processor type
<LinuxJones> Gato, if sound works your all set up
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, for me it was simple you download the file... sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run
<rever> I downloaded the nvidia driver from nvidia site. When I try an run it it fails
<pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip, rever: NEVER use the nvidia installer.
<Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, why would you never use it?
<Gato> ok
<pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip, rever: It'll cut your /usr filesystem to spaghetti as it craps proprietary GL libs everywhere.   It will make your life hell later.
<Gato> wait
<Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, I don't have any problems at all with it
<kapputu> is there like an extension in Firefox that would allow me to switch between windows with a single key?
<kapputu> between tabs rather
<Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, I've been doing it this way for a while too
<Gato> Error al construir pipeline de prueba para 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
<madstop> heh, that's right thoreauputic , I keep forgetting you're ac-dc mac/linux :-)
<mindframe> does ubuntu maintain its own set of packages for apt?
<rever> Ok I have another issue trying to play AA I get no sound. This is the error: open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
<Amaranth> yes
<mindframe> Amaranth: where can i get a list or a search utility?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, what kind of card is it?
<inphlict_> rever I have the same problem :(
<inphlict_> I get it in mplayer
<rever> Man never ran into so many issues on my other linux box. I guess debian is much different
<farruinn> mindframe: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ is good
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, I had that problem with my Audigy
<mindframe> farruinn: thx
<inphlict_> how do u fix this problem guys?
<farruinn> mindframe: it's not "official" but seems to stay up to date
<Amaranth> mindframe: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<inphlict_> I did killall esd
* madstop reminds thoreauputic he's not defending windows, he's just suggesting that linux users should set themselves higher goals than hey, we're better than those guys who suck
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, It is an onboard ASUS Nvidia
<inphlict_> and it worked but u need to do it all the time
<zenwhen> my audigy is a wonderful wonderful piece of hardware... in linux
<thoreauputic> madstop: well, I run mac-on-linux mostly - I can run videolan and windows media in it ( I like the irony of running wmp on mac, in linux ;-)  )
<Gato> linuxJones, that says  Error al construir pipeline de prueba para 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, thats funny...my onboard VIA AC97 did the same thing......I bought a CT4760 off Ebay for $5
<billy-420> is there a cd ripper that will let me choose the bitrate at which it burns?
<Arrogance> has anyone else noticed a problem with Firefox saving files when you've configured it to ask you every time?
<Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, works like a champ the first time around on everything and it was dirt cheap....sounds better than my Audigy too
<rever> inphlict, That worked killall esd
<kapputu> madstop: that was a good statement, shows that you don't have to bash someone to prove you are strong
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, the killall esd works. That is odd
<madstop> now, thoreauputic , that's way way way more windows-loving than I could handle -- jesus, windows media??  me, I use ogg etc... ;-)
<LinuxJones> Gato, then your not using alsa modules for sound
<Butters|XGH|Snip> Aight guys I gotta get....I gotta work tomorrow
<pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip: You don't have to listen to me, nevertheless, I strongly suggest you use the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev packages from Debian Unstable
<inphlict_> someone just hacked cnn.com and put a pic of bush and a monkey
<rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, Thanks for all the help
<inphlict_> joking :D
<thoreauputic> madstop: I have nothing against windows as such ( apart from its appalling security record) - I *do* object to the company that distributes it, on moral grounds mainly
<kapputu> the firefox channel is empty
<Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, thats a good idea....because I have a Geforce 6800 GT and those drivers don't have much support for such a new card...thats why I use the ones from Nvidia's site
<sander__> Is anyone using OpenOffice.org 2 here? If so is the spell checker working?
<thoreauputic> madstop: as it happens, I use ogg mostly too - I only use windows media if nothing else is available
<mindframe> is hoary considered "testing" or "unstable" at the moment?
<rever> Ok so I got AA to work video and sound. Cannot get CoD to work but that isn't most likely cvscedge issue
<pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip: I have no idea what you're talking about.  nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev are the same version as the one's on nvidia's site.  And it's fine to compile the kernel module yourself.  Just don't allow it to install it's own GL libs.
<pipeline> mindframe: Try "experimental"
<farruinn> mindframe: development release is usually what it's called
<madstop> I agree thoreauputic -- I just don't like being cast as "the guy in Gate's corner" when all I'm doing is defending the work that developer's have put into making windows more bearable.  And thank you, kapputu ;-).  I'll drop it; gotta be boring for others!
<kapputu> madstop: I think you misunderstood me
<jba> hey guys, is there a way to stop grub's autobuilding menu.lst from adding the savedefault attribute to all the linux options
<Gato> linxJones, that says Error al construir pipeline de prueba para 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
<jba> i'm trying to get my system to simply boot to windows all the time
<rever> See you all tomorrow
<madstop> no kapputu, I meant thank you, as in thank you
<LinuxJones> Gato, go back into gstreamer-properties and set back to what was there before. Probably esd or oss
<Gato> esd
<pipeline> Gato: You don't have the right plugins for gstreamer installed.
<kapputu> madstop: gotcha
<thoreauputic> jba, allthe time?
<kapputu> madstop: now help me
<Gato>  i don't now???
<madstop> help you how, kapputu?
<Gato> i don't know??
<madstop> I'm the most helpless person on here
<majortool> anyone know where i can find documentation on changing the xdm?
<Gato> how can know????
* thoreauputic comforts madstop in his helplessness...
<LinuxJones> gato, select esd and then test if it doesn't work select oss
<thoreauputic> ;-)
<regeya> Gato seems to be lost
<mindframe> does ubuntu install default with kde or gnome?  will i be able to negate either of those and choose fluxbox?
<LinuxJones> majortool, dpkg-reconfigure xdm
<kapputu> thoreauputic: good to see u again
<thoreauputic> Gato likes question marks ... a lot
<Gato> look, i do the test
<majortool> LinuxJones, that will allow me to install an ?dm of my own choosing
<majortool> ?
<kapputu> thoreauputic: help with firefox?
<regeya> you do the test gato...you do the test
<madstop> kapputu, what did you need help with?
<Gato> working but not i listen the sound
<LinuxJones> majortool, it should list all display managers and let you select which one to use
<thoreauputic> kapputu: I wasn't aware I'd been away?
<regeya> gato, is anyone available to translate for you?  I'm not joking or making fun of you
<majortool> LinuxJones, awesome
<pipeline> mindframe: Ubuntu will always install gnome.  The releases are synchronized to gnome.  Gnome makes up the only supported desktop.  It's a gnome distribution.
<Gato> i am chilien
<kapputu> thoreauputic: you werent, I was
<Gato> not english
<LinuxJones> majortool, I know it used to work for kdm and gdm so I am assuming it will work with xdm :)
<Gato> understand me
<LinuxJones> Gato, so your sound is back ?
<thoreauputic> kapputu: ah, I see :)
<majortool> LinuxJones, i just want to be able to switch to windowmanager ... any advice?
<madstop> that's kind of discouraging to hear, pipeline, though I guess I realized that already
<farruinn> thor|afk: this interview with Jess waugh is hilarious
<kapputu> majortool: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<Gato> i am seeying a movie
<usual> 596KBps
<kapputu> thor|afk: where is that interview?
<usual> sweet
<majortool> kapputu, i want window maker not kde
<[Rain] > wow no my downloads wont start in firefox, the problems never end
<kapputu> no experience with that
<farruinn> kapputu: just google for lugradio
<thor|afk> sorry guys - afk means away from keyboard - back soon
<LinuxJones> majortool, man gnome-wm
<mindframe> pipeline: i guess ill try it out.  ive never used gnome.  is it bloated and lame like kde?
<pipeline> mindframe: It's less bloated and about equally lame.  It's at least less pathetic than fluxbox.
<geneo93> anyone know the cut off date for hoary
<madstop> [Rain] , I think this version of firefox is buggy.  I just installed mozilla and epiphany.  Firefox is trying my patience
<mindframe> pipeline: heh thx
<LinuxJones> majortool, you want to run windowmaker ?
<Quest-Master> Epiphany is pretty awesome now. Galeon as well.
<[Rain] > unbuntu is driving me freakin nuts
<LinuxJones> majortool, sorry I didn't understand. If you have it already installed you can select it from the session option in the gdm login screen
<pipeline> I don't understand why people are so shocked to find out that a gnome-centric distribution is *gasp* gnome-centric.
<majortool> LinuxJones, it doesn't list it there
<geneo93> [Rain] :  you use beos before
<[Rain] > no i havent used beos
<majortool> LinuxJones, i checked through the gdm config ... there's nothing about sessions that i can find that is not gnome specific
<regeya> hehehe
<madstop> not shocked, it's a complement to ubuntu -- it deserves a better desktop
<majortool> LinuxJones, how do i get a better package list?
<mindframe> pipeline: i wasnt shocked because i didnt know it was a gnome-centric distro
* regeya is using kubuntu and is shocked to learn that it's not gnome-centric
<LinuxJones> majortool, it should add it when you install wm
<pipeline> regeya: As Kubuntu is not Ubuntu, that's kind of a bizarre thing to say.
<pipeline> regeya: Never mind, I misread.
<regeya> hehehe
<regeya> kubuntu is indeed ubuntu, and it is not.
<usual> is kubuntu using 3.4?
<madstop> I'm looking forward to other distros stealing like mad from ubuntu; it's raised the bar
<regeya> yes
<majortool> LinuxJones, let me check again ill be back in a bit
<pipeline> It should be in the topic.  "Ubuntu is not Debian.  Gnome is the supported desktop, but you can install other things"
<geneo93> usual:  yes
<pipeline> madstop: Ubuntu is a fork of Debian.  Where do you think all the packages came from?
<usual> is anyone using kubuntu?
<regeya> agreed pipeline, that's the beauty of it.
<pipeline> madstop: Even the installer is from Debian.
<madstop> pipeline, what are you complaining about?
<regeya> I guess I'm not "anyone"
* regeya winks
<pipeline> madstop: It has in no way raised the bar.
<Riddell> usual: kubuntu won't exist for another half an hour or so
<madstop> I know it's based on Debian.  So what?
<usual> Riddell, ?
<regeya> huh?
* regeya is confused
<Riddell> usual: it's top secret and unannounced so far
<thor|afk> pipeline: stop it - it's pointless and negative
<maximaus> usual, nothing's stopping you from apt-getting KDE.
<nikarul> usual:  I just installed kubuntu.  So far I like it.
<regeya> I'm using a top secret distro?
<madstop> pipeline, ubuntu has gotten the best press I've ever seen for a linux distro
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<regeya> ubuntu deserves good press
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<regeya> Riddell!
<Riddell> err, that was stupid of me
<pipeline> madstop: Their marketing is indeed second to none.  Redhat was never interested in the kind of media push Canonical has put in place.
<[Rain] > html files wont even open in firefox now, wtf
<maximaus> What's the difference between kubuntu and just regular ubuntu w/ KDE added?
<usual> Riddell, I am downloading the kubuntu liveCD from daily-current
<Riddell> appologies, that's what happens after working 36 solid hours on kubuntu
<usual> maximaus, not sure
<pipeline> maximaus: Kubuntu releases will hopefully be synced to KDE instead of Gnome.
<LinuxJones> maximaus, nothing
<usual> Riddell, are you a kubuntu dev member?
<maximaus> LOL
<Riddell> maximaus: nothing much, a kubuntu-default-settings package tidies some things up
<Riddell> usual: yes
<regeya> I don't know that there is one, maximaus, but it starts out kde-centric and has very very little in the way of gnome stuff
<maximaus> I've got KDE installed here, though I don't use it--seems just dandy though.
<regeya> it's different
<maximaus> Will hotplug be sorted within KDE then?
<usual> I will try the live CD before I install anything
<Riddell> maximaus: you mean HAL?  yes that works
<stuNNed> is wvdial deprecated?
<usual> stuNNed, modems are depreciated
<usual> heh
<maximaus> cool! I have friends that are KDE fans, they'll be happy. :)
* regeya glares at usual
<LinuxJones> night all
<usual> regeya, i know i know
<geneo93> usual:  live cd is morphix
<usual> geneo93, still??
<Riddell> maximaus: "friends" eh, sure sure
<thoreauputic> geneo93: not the hoary latest ones
<maximaus> LOL,
<usual> man
<usual> 604KBps
<usual> sweeeet
<maximaus> I'm more of a Blackbox user, but logging into KDE is fun every now and then.
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  whats it using knoppix
<madstop> me, I just want to arrange a "transporter accident" for gnome and kde, and come out with the best of them both.
<usual> i heard 3.4 increased speed over 50%
<mindframe> maximaus: i find kde to be way too much like windows.  i like fluxbox myself
<maximaus> madstop: agreed
<thoreauputic> geneo93: no, I think it's being done by Ubuntu devs
<madstop> I used to love using the kicker in gnome; but the current kicker, I couldn't get to work as well in gnome
<maximaus> mindframe: yeah I agree, but there's a few KDE apps that I really like and sometimes I use them under KDE so that they may frolic in their original habitat. :P
<aeruder> anyone else got lots of problems with Xorg 6.8.2 and BadMatch errors?
<maximaus> madstop: what do you like better about kicker vs. gnome-panel?
<aeruder> gnustep doesn't run at all... and macromedia flash plugin hoses firefox (with a BadMatch error)
<madstop> kde is way ahead of gnome in a lot of little applets
<madstop> maximaus, for one thing, kicker doesn't "eat the space" -- if you hide it, other windows can use that space
<aeruder> all kinds of apps have BadMatch errors... really not sure what is going on
<madstop> hiding gnome panels is pointless
<mindframe> maximaus: just curious... what apps are those?
<madstop> better applets, the mixer that fits in kicker, muuuuuch better than gnome mixer
<maximaus> I'm a secret kaudioextracter user
<[Rain] > where can I edit my path variables in ubuntu?
<Centy> .bashrc ?
<madstop> the screenshot applet in kde, fantastic.  the one in gnome is lame
<thoreauputic> madstop: making hideable panels on the vertical doesn't eat space in gnome - I have one here
<regeya> kaudiocreator > *
<madstop> true, thoreauputic , but they're ugly.
<thoreauputic> agreed re screenshot applet
<[Rain] > I tried finding it, and even searched for bashrc and it came up with nothing
<maximaus> regeya: that's the one. :P
<thoreauputic> madstop: mine is transparent :)
<madstop> and anyway, adding stuff to the panels is a pain, and the applets just aren't as good as kde's
<maximaus> mine is made of silk so fine it looks transparent.
<pinPoint> is ubuntu created by rich ppl or something? :)
<madstop> thoreauputic, you can see the icons sticking out-- what the hell, who cares?
<geneo93> kde need manager though so you can assign keys for aphlets
<maximaus> pinPoint: Mark Shuttleworth certainly has some bucks.
<stuNNed> usual: whatever, not everybody can afford/want/can have broadband
<madstop> thoreauputic, the transparency point reminds me of an annoyance with gnome:  some panel elements stick out like sore thumbs
<usual> who wouldn't want it
<Wass|> Hi, does ubuntu contain gnome 2.10 now ?
<thoreauputic> madstop: I like fluxbox , anyway, so there, too :P
* maximaus is a 56Ker
<madstop> and can't be made transparent, and many icons don't work with it
<thoreauputic> madstop: all of these things are true, indeed
<madstop> anyway, in warty, I was using a (very small) version of kicker as an extra panel in gnome, and it was awesome
<Centy> [Rain] : Try "ls -la ~ | less"
<thoreauputic> madstop: try that in windows!!  heheh
<Hayden> is it possible to access a windows partition from linux
<madstop> uggg. thoreauputic ...
<thoreauputic> Hayden: yes
<Hayden> or to change a partition to a filesystem which cna be read by both
<regeya> c'mon guys
<maximaus> I'm currently using fbpanel under Blackbox--it's a very efficient setup. :D
<Hayden> thoreauputic: is it very hard to do?
<stuNNed> maximaus: do you use wvdial? i'm having better luck with setting up the connection in network-admin...
<geneo93> Hayden:  yes
<usual> oh cool, the NYS DMV site says ubuntu is avalible as a custom plate
<usual> i wonder if I should
<madstop> yes Hayden --good instructions here:  www.ubuntuguide.org
<maximaus> stuNNed: I used pppconfig
<regeya> LINUX, WINDOWS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALL SUCK
<Hayden> ok thanks guys
<thoreauputic> Hayden: no, you just need a line in /etc/fstab
<Centy> Hayden: FAT32 (vfat) is the only common read/write format to both windows and Linux.
<regeya> my monitor is doing something very odd
<pipeline> Centy, Hayden: untrue
<thoreauputic> regeya: TECHNOLOGY sucks!!
<jsgotangco> use a yellow pad!
<jsgotangco> hehe
<maximaus> stuNNed: then I just told the "modem-lights" applet to "pon provider" etc...
<pipeline> Centy, Hayden: Both linux and windows are perfectly able to read/write ext2 and ext3.
<madstop> so's your keyboard regeya...
<Centy> ok - FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 and limited support for NTFS.
<stuNNed> maximaus: wvdial's modem options were making the modem hang up randomly
* regeya tells his monitor, "degauss thyself" and lo, the monitor *was* degaussed.
<Centy> ext2/3 on windows isn't "native" to the OS.
<pipeline> Centy: I don't know whether you heard me, but Windows can read and write ext2 and ext3 just fine.
<usual> minicom is what I used to use back int he day to test modems
<pipeline> Centy: Technically, as windows NT is a microkernel, NO filesystem is "native" to the OS.
<maximaus> stuNNed: do you have "call-waiting"
<madstop> I've had no problems reading writing anything to and from windows
<pipeline> Centy: Let's not spread disinformation, eh? FAT32 is not a good filesystem and not a legitimate choice for sharing with windows.
<unkwn> i just did a apt-get upgrade and it faulted saying fontconfig couldn't be configured because libfontconfig1 wasn't configured and then that libfontconfig1 wasn't configured because fontconfig wasn't installed/configured
<usual> Riddell, are the kubuntu kde packages pulled from sid or are they not associated with debian at all?
<Hayden> madstop, Centy: atm i have 2 partitions both used for windows, both formated in the NTFS. do i have to change either of the file systems to access them in ubuntu?
<geneo93> unkwn:  apt-get -f install
<Centy> pipeline: why not?  Yes it's a sucky FS, but if it's just used to transfer files (as opposed to long term storage) is it worth starting a holy war about?
<Riddell> usual: we make them based on the debian ones
<Riddell> everyone ready?
<madstop> No, Hayden.
<Riddell> ...
<pipeline> Centy: Waste of hard drive space.
<Hayden> ok
<usual> Riddell, ok, for some reason I didn't think debian was up to 3.4
<unkwn> geneo93:  same error, already tried
<pipeline> Hayden: Linux can -read- NTFS just fine
<Hayden> ok
<Riddell> usual: it's not :)
<usual> DRUM ROLL
<thoreauputic> pipeline: do try to be *slightly* less abrasive
<Centy> Hayden: you can read your NTFS partitions in Linux without a problem.  Writing to them can be problematic.
<Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/
<Riddell> ta da!
<Hayden> pipeline: i'd like to write to the partition also
<regeya> pipeline:  fat32 is the mp3 of filesystems.  yeah, it sucks, but it's damn near ubiquitous and supported by damn near everything.  chill.
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<pipeline> Hayden: That is technically possible, but not very practical.
<ShredWheat> Where can I set environment variables so they are used in all programs (not just launched from terminal) ?
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<usual> Riddell, nice site :)
<madstop> But Hayden, I think you may need to be cautious about writing to them... I never let linux try to write anything to a windows system partition, anyway
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<pipeline> regeya: I do not like your analogy.  FAT32 is more like the layer 1 reference encoder of filesystems.  MP3 actually doesn't suck very much at all at reasonable bitrates.
<maximaus> pipeline: then why does my XP install not "see" my linux install? I can read it just fine using "explore2fs" btw.
<madstop> but others know more about this than I
<unkwn> --force-yes
<HrdwrBoB> the reasons for not using mp3 are not technical
<HrdwrBoB> they are legal
<farruinn> unkwn: did taht work? Someone had a solution on ubuntu-users
<pipeline> maximaus: You need to install either EXT2IFS (free, works on NT4/5/5.1) or Paragon ext2 (30$, all versions of NT IIRC)
<HrdwrBoB> (primarily I mean)
<usual> Riddell, Thank you
<unkwn> nope, didn't work
<Centy> HrdwrBoB: roll on ogg
<mdz> HrdwrBoB: entirely
<regeya> Riddell, excellent site
<Hayden> ok installing linux again
<madstop> I think there might be a setting somewhere in windows administration where you can "unhide" non -windows partitions
<maximaus> pipeline: by NT you include XP right?
<pipeline> maximaus: EXT2IFS is OK, but has no write support and certain functions don't work. (For instance, 16 bit apps can't read off the ext2 filesystem)
<regeya> pipeline, whether you like my analogy or not, the rest is dead-on right.
<pipeline> maximaus: XP is NT 5.1, a point release against 2000.
<HrdwrBoB> mdz: well yeah, if it weren't for the legality ogg would not exist
<SysFail> evening
<pipeline> regeya: FAT32 is categorically unacceptable to me.
<HrdwrBoB> pipeline: that's unfortunate
<pipeline> HrdwrBoB: I would be careful before buying into OGG patent claims.
<regeya> pipeline, find me a filesystem other than fat32 that's used in windows, linux, os x, cameras, etc.
<HrdwrBoB> pipeline: buying into who's in the what now?
<Centy> pipeline, I made the comment about ogg
<madstop> I use ntfs for windows system, fat32 for sharing.  No problems.  And anyway, I do most of my sharing through my lan, anyway
<unkwn> farruinn:  link to the solution?
<farruinn> unkwn: see if this helps: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659
<unkwn> ahh
<unkwn> thanks
<HrdwrBoB> mp3 is patented and the patent is enforced
<pipeline> regeya: Cameras use vFAT and FAT12 almost exclusively.  Their filesystem needs are very different from that of a PC.
<pipeline> regeya: And in answer to your question, I would have to say UFS.
<SysFail> speaking of mp3....anybody find that mp3 addon for K3B????
<SysFail> i cant burn cds for my car
<pipeline> HrdwrBoB, Centy: Ogg's claims of being patent-free are dubious at best.
<Centy> FAT12 on a camera?  I think you mean FAT16
<pipeline> Centy: Who needs more than 16M in a filesystem? ;)
<Centy> My 8Mpix camera for one :P
<regeya> UFS???!?
<maximaus> SysFail: isn't the package called k3b-mp3?
<regeya> bwahahaha
<HrdwrBoB> pipeline: yes, but so far no-one's been sued for using or distributing it
<regeya> vorbis isn't patent-free
<kapputu> which is a better p2p client? Limewire or gnutella?
<SysFail> yes it is...but it isnt in synaptic
<SysFail> i checked
<SysFail> and i cant find the deb for it
<Centy> Any FAT?? system on flash RAM is B-A-D...it has a bad tendancy to hammer the same "sectors" all the time leading to early failure.
<maximaus> I can burn mp3's just fine with k3b here, but damned if I can remember why. :P
<spiraloid> kapputu, i prefer limewire
<SysFail> cause you added some package
<SysFail> but I dont know which
<SysFail> i finally burned it with graveman
<SysFail> worked great
<maximaus> maybe it just needs mpg123 or something that simple?
<usual> burning kubuntu to a cd-rw is slower than a debian stable release
<unkwn> farruinn:  worked perfectly, thanks!
<SysFail> hmmm maybe it needs lame
<farruinn> unkwn: cool =)
<SysFail> just thought of that
<farruinn> unkwn: for some reason I didn't have the problem, so I'm glad it worked
<farruinn> usual: yeah, but ubuntu is only one disc..
<madstop> so are there ANY non-patent encumbered high quality lossy formats?
<usual> fabbione, yeah, i am just mad that my cd-rw disc is 4x
<HrdwrBoB> madstop: use ogg.
<SysFail> ubuntu rules man...i have installed nothing less than 20 other distros
<madstop> I thought people here just said ogg (vorbis) WAS patent-encoumbered
<dizzie> why is fontconfig broken :( ... I cant upgrade my system, and --fix-broken doesnt work
<regeya> it is, but people ignore that
<unkwn> dizzie:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659
<regeya> but it's not okay to ignore mp3's patent encumberment
<madstop> so I guess the answer to my question is no...
<regeya> despite the fact that fraunhofer(sp?) has said they won't chase down free software people...eh
<regeya> I don't care either way
<regeya> I don't see anyone suing me for using either one
<regeya> and the only suits I see are for people trading several metric tons of tunes, not for using mp3
<bluefoxicy> wtf is the program
<bluefoxicy> it lets you
<pipeline> Centy: Modern flash cards handle that problem nicely.  Hence the using a primitive filesystem in order to not defeat the algorithms built into the card.
<bluefoxicy> you know
<bluefoxicy> set up UI stuff for gtk?
<bluefoxicy> g. . .something. . .
<pipeline> kapputu: Limewire and gnutella are both very nice and connect to the same network.
<madstop> Someone should just work out a scheme to put a little surcharge on all hardware to pay off all license holders for media codecs etc and be done with it
<Centy> pipeline: news to me.  Ever done low-level analysis of flash cards with FAT file systems?  I have.
<bluefoxicy> glade
<pipeline> madstop: Heh, beginning textbooks in multimedia compression are riddled with patent-encumbered algorithms.  It would almost be impossible to come up with something better than run-length encoding that isn't patent-encumbered in some way.
<kapputu> gnutella crashed well
<pipeline> Centy: I have not, but it's a bullet point on some packaging.
<dizzie> lol ok, good old hacking :)
<Centy> pipeline: OK - you keep believing everything you read on packaging :P heheh :)
<pipeline> Centy: Heh, flash memories aren't my field :P
<Centy> Mine either - it's called a 4th year thesis :P
<madstop> ten cents on every blank cdr, ten bucks on every recorder, or every hard drive -give it to the patent holders, and let everybody use it all
<Centy> It was wrapped up in a broader look at a lot of removable media and storage systems, file systems etc.
<dysangelium> hello
<thoreauputic> Fact: Both Xiph.Org and AOL have conducted or commissioned patent searches by qualified patent attorneys who have determined that Ogg Vorbis is not infringing on any patents.
<thoreauputic> http://www.vorbis.com/ot/20021229.html
<Centy> Beat me to it thoreauputic :P
<stuNNed> maximaus-gone: yes
<thoreauputic> took one google search and less than a minute ;)
<stuNNed> maximaus-gone: sorry got disc
<madstop> fu**ing firefox crashed on me just because a page was looking for shockwave...
<calc> good reason not to use that proprietary ad serving pos
<thoreauputic> madstop: back to lynx then ;P
<kapputu> yeah it's all text anyway
<dizzie> 4:39am, coffee anyone? :)
<thoreauputic> i quite like dillo for searching the web ( it's fast and light)
<madstop> thoreauputic, you're an ogg duck
<dysangelium> how do i setup modpython to work with apache2
<dysangelium> ?
<thoreauputic> ogg duck?
<Centy> thoreauputic: I was digging around the vorbis site.... <shrug>
<thoreauputic> I'm badly lagged here...
<johnf1911> anyone else having probles with grip + vorbis in whoary?
<johnf1911> grip can rip when I'm not encoding, but once i encode to vorbis it stops ripping
<spiraloid> nice setting?
<johnf1911> spiraloid: an interesting idea, let me check
<madstop> thoreauputic, odd duck.. ;-)
<madstop> odd,ogg
<madstop> ugh
<madstop> tried to be punny
<thoreauputic> madstop: this coming from you? (kidding)
<thoreauputic> but yes, I am indeed an odd duck ;-)
<madstop> thoreauputic, you would love foobar2000
<kain> hi, anoyone has trouble with the latest fontconfig upgrade in hoary?
<farruinn> johnf1911: I believe there's a setting for that
<johnf1911> 006: Could not read any data from drive
<kain> dpkg exits with a status code: 10
<farruinn> kain: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659 seems to be helping people...
<kain> ok, thanks
<madstop> yes, kain, upgrades keep throwing up errors regarding fontconfig.   I have no clue.
<johnf1911> farruinn: i have this same problem on sid as well
<kain> hey madstop :)
<johnf1911> and on two different machines
<kain> let's try the hack
<madstop> what's the font config supposed to do?  It keeps telling me it's not configured; my fonts look great, for linux anyway
<thoreauputic> madstop: hmm - windows only? not interested if so ( running windows gives me high blood pressure and fits)
<dizzie> lol
<farruinn> heh, I'm so useless on windows, I can never find what I'm looking for
<kain> the hack worked out
<Centy> Windows has a bad habit of giving my firewall a headache....
<madstop> I'm hoping you know some genius hacker who can port foobar2000 to linux; linux deserves better media players
<SysFail> kaffeine is nice
<farruinn> johnf1911: make sure that under Config>Rip>options you don't have "Delay encoding until disc is ripped" set
<thoreauputic> madstop: what do you think of amarok? Looks pretty good to me
<dizzie> SysFail: as in coffee? :) ... :D
<madstop> google foobar2000, thoreauputic .
<SysFail> hahah
<dizzie> :)
<P229> madstop, SysFail: forget the media players, what's needed is a decent soundserver
<johnf1911> farruinn: you misunderstand me, the ripp bar says 0% and never advances, eventually it spits out 006: Could not read any data from drive in the term that started grip
<SysFail> as in media player
<SysFail> i use it for everything
<geneo93> farruinn:  dont you have to set up dirs for grip
<dampjam> It's trying to upgrade hoary but messed up on fontconfig, now a bunch of dependencies are failing
<dampjam> how do I force it to remove / reinstall fontconfig?
<DavidH86>  so there is no default root password then why does using no password not work
<madstop> yes, P229, you're right
<thoreauputic> madstop: I did - then I noticed it seems to be for windows
<johnf1911> geneo93: if your talking for input and output it creates dirs necessary to fufil paths
<Quest-Master> DavidH86: Use your main user's password
<P229> DavidH86: it's probably set to some random string
<johnf1911> s/input/wav s/output/encoded files/
<maximoose> stuNNed, I was off for a sec. on the modem thing, sometimes having call waiting can lock your modem if someone tries to call you when you're online.
<madstop> thoreauputic, you're a broken record!
<P229> DavidH86: ubuntu is designed so that you should never use root, only sudo
<geneo93> johnf1911:  haven't used it for a long time
<spiraloid> if you need a root shell, use sudo -s -H
<kain> some hours ago on hoary there were an xorg upgrade, 6.8.2-5.1, after restarting X it tells me that the depth is incorrect (plus another little error), I switched my depth to 24 again and all is fine, have you experienced similar issues?
<DavidH86> dang it
<DavidH86> lol
<DavidH86> i like to screw tings up in root
<DavidH86> and what do you mean sudo
<P229> DavidH86: man sudo will say it best
<spiraloid> the program sudo
<dizzie> kain: tried a xorg -configure ?
<ghostdad> Im running hoary and can not get either the free rar or the unfree unrar to work.  Is anyone else having these issues?
<madstop> kain, i don't even know how to set the color depth on this thing; can't understand why that isn't in the menu along with resolution
<thoreauputic> madstop: I'm a brok...I'm a brok... I'm <click.> broke
<dampjam> How can I fix fontconfig?
<kain> dizzie, no, just to be curious, I entered my xorg.conf and reverted 24 depth
<DavidH86> hmmm
<DavidH86> cool
<DavidH86> lol
<dizzie> ahh ok
<mdz> wow, the kubuntu preview isn't on distrowatch yet
<kain> dampjam, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659
<mdz> they're lagging tonight ;-)
<DavidH86> well that is kinda nice
<madstop> thoreauputic, floppies, dial-up, windows 3.1, 78 rpm records, get with the new century, dude! ; )
<Llamabutcher> has anyone used ndiswrapper to get a wireless card working in ubuntu?
<P229> mdz: distrowatch lags quite frequently
<mdz> P229: they have been amazingly fast at processing our announcements in the past
<thoreauputic> madstop: hey, I'm a Quaker - what do you expect?
<dizzie> kain, i tried a "overkill" 1892x1440x24 :O ... will not advice that :)
<kain> ghg
<spiraloid> quakers rule
* Riddell rules
<P229> mdz: "in the past" ;)
<DavidH86> hmmm
<DavidH86> no sshd
<madstop> Wallpaper looks like crap on my desktop; fonts look great
<inphlict> Can someone address my problem
<inphlict> read it here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20667
<mdz> P229: including last week's preview release of Ubuntu ;-)
<ghostdad> Are there any known issues with unrar in hoary.  All of my archives fail to decompress from the command line as well as in file roller?
<Riddell> thoreauputic: you're a Quaker?
<gfxstyler> hey, im back
<SysFail> so use rar
<madstop> hey gfxstyler , how'd the install go?
<hone> thoreauputic: quaker meaning, play quake or pa quake style?
<ghostdad> Ive installed rar however I get a command not found.
<thoreauputic> Riddell: well, i'm a Quaker attender, to be accurate
<P229> mdz: /me shrugs
<geneo93> ghostdad:  why are you using rar to begin with
<gfxstyler> madstop: flawless, but a little longer then expected, i thought i first upgrade the kernel etc before coming back to #ubuntu
<Riddell> thoreauputic: cool, which meeting?
<dizzie> QW rocks my world :)
* f1shhead ponders linux + x on 4 meg of ram for use as a vnc terminal
<madstop> Quaker, ah, that's why thoreauputic is such a Friend (er, get it?  never mind)
<ghostdad> geneo93 Ive also had issues with unrar
<spiraloid> lol
<dizzie> f1shhead: its doable
<SysFail> worked fine for me
<johnf1911> madstop: there getting weaker
<thoreauputic> hone: the quakers originated in England, and local quakers are more aligned with London meeting etc
<DavidH86> hmmmm
<hone> thoreauputic: yeah I know
<gfxstyler> now have to copy 33gb backups ... thats gonna take a while :)
<inphlict> Which quakers are u talking about?
<thoreauputic> Riddell: Kiama  (Australia)
<inphlict> people who play quake or non religious peeps
<spiraloid> neither :P
<DavidH86> nto true
<Riddell> thoreauputic: do you know any of Sarah Davies, Pete Wild or other Pete?
<dizzie> inphlict: so? :)
<madstop> johnf1911, sorry??
<DavidH86> i knbow some die hard religious people that play quake
<inphlict> so what?
<thoreauputic> no, although Sarah Davies rings a bell
<kain> wtf
<inphlict> dizzie: so?
<johnf1911> madstop: the punnage; s/there/they're/
<madstop> Richard Nixon was a Quaker, he fragged a couple whole countries
<dizzie> inphlict: reply to your quakecomment :)
<Riddell> thoreauputic: ah well, that's all the quakers I know in australia, pleased to meet you anyway (I'm from Edinburgh meeting mostly)
<thoreauputic> madstop: he was nominally a quaker, yes
<inphlict> which comment
<Riddell> madstop: we excommunicated him
<inphlict> on the forum or here?
<dysangelium> can someone help me out?
<thoreauputic> Riddell: greetings, Friend :)
<dizzie> inphlict: .... people who play quake
<inphlict> yes
<inphlict> I play quake
<madstop> There's a meeting house near me.  Thinking of dropping in sometime
<dizzie> same :)
<dizzie> hence i answered "so ? :)"
<inphlict> I played it for a loooonnnnggg time
<thoreauputic> Riddell: you can't really be excommunicated from the Society of Friends ;)
<inphlict> since original quake test
* kain still plays ut '99
<dizzie> I played since uhm when it was released, and i still play :)
<madstop> There have got to be more churches etc per square inch in my neighborhood than just about anywhere in the US
<dysangelium> how do i setup modpython to work with apache2? (both have been apt-geted already)
<inphlict> acctually I started with wolf3d
* dizzie hugs cedega
<dizzie> ahh i started with wolf on a 386 :)
<kain> i915 is too bad supported to using cedega
<kain> :(
<madstop> I'm a lapsed Unitarian, myself
<kain> 2538 frames in 5.0 seconds = 507.600 FPS
<kain> sik
<thoreauputic> madstop: is it possible to be a "lapsed" unitarian ? ;)
<madstop> in my case.
<dizzie> kain, i cant get nwn or daoc to work with cedega, but there is no way i gonna have dualboot just for playing games :)
<kain> dizzie, nwn has a linux client
<madstop> danged Universalists messed it up!  Pagans! ;-)
<dizzie> Quake is fine :)
* f1shhead ponders just using win95b instead of linux since it's only to drive a vnc terminal, nothing else
<andrewski> how can i link the hdc to cdrom so that it stays on boot?
<dizzie> kain, which works with both expansions too ?
<inphlict> I still have quake, quake2 & quake3 on my windows xp boot installed
<thoreauputic> madstop: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
<inphlict> have u guys heard of quake 2 evolved?
<dizzie> inphlict: do you play QW by any chance?
<madstop> We've got them around here too...
<kain> dizzie, I really dunno, I have nwn original with no expansion, installed, tested and it worked out fine (after a superpatch for ati cards :P)
<kain> I bet there are linux clients out for nwn expansions
<inphlict> not anymore but I used to play qw & tf
<inphlict> I just have quake installed
<madstop> They're handling security at JFK, thoreauputic
<inphlict> I'm acctually from quake3world.com/forums
<jsgotangco> has anyone configured bluetooth with hoary
<dizzie> kain: will check, and inphlict: :(
<thoreauputic> rofl !
<pinPoint> im installing ubuntu on mi lappy now... :)
<pinPoint> first time!
<chillywilly> ooboontooo
<madstop> I tried Cube the other day, in windows.  Seems cool.  I'm not a gamer though
<inphlict> is cube that game engine?
<DavidH86> no one anwers my quesiton
<DavidH86> does ubuntu come installed with sshd
<inphlict> check this http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2299
<dizzie> Q3 is nice, i get 180fps :)
<HrdwrBoB> DavidH86: no
<inphlict> unreal 3 screens
<zenrox> DavidH86,  no
<inphlict> I get 500
<HrdwrBoB> DavidH86: it comes with ssh, sshd is not installed by default
<DavidH86> lol
<DavidH86> ok
<madstop> you can apparently edit Cube while you play it.
<HrdwrBoB> it is however on the CD
<DavidH86> thats all i neded
<gfxstyler> unreal 3 engine rocks with that parralax or offset bumpmapping :)
<pinPoint> im suprised its on 533MB
<pinPoint> thats it. no more
<thoreauputic> madstop: http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/comedy/python/spanish.html
<pinPoint> only
<inphlict> my blog I deal a lot of games
<inphlict> http://phase0.blogspot.com/
<P229> DavidH86: generally, Ubuntu won't have server daemons... since it's a desktop oriented distro
<Chriffer> I knew if I sat around long enough I would see an answer to the fontconfig issue, good work
<madstop> I've got enough python on this computer, thank you thoreauputic -- <gr>
<dizzie> :)
<chillywilly> python rules
<madstop> Fawlty Towers, thoreauputic !
<thoreauputic> madstop: heh - I have Monty Python Live at Drury Lane in .ogg (of course...)
<zenrox> lol
<madstop> lol
<thoreauputic> madstop: I know nothing...I'm from Barcelona
<zenrox> "Idont like spam"
<dizzie> spam, isnt that ham in a can ? :)
<kain> inphlict, I checked out the link, but those screenshot aren't from unreal 3, there is a technology that takes his name
<kain> :D
<andrewski> did y'all know the programming language Python was named after a certain British comedy troupe?
<madstop> just remember not to say anything about the war.  I mentioned it once, but I think they didn't notice...
<thoreauputic> dizzie: I thought it was something to do with Vikings??
<dizzie> thoreauputic: What vikings? :)
<madstop> John Cleese was the funniest bastard alive.
<inphlict> kain: my bad
<madstop> Well, he's still alive, actually
<andrewski> madstop: was?
<andrewski> :P
<Centy> John Cleese is still alive and kicking
<regeya> no longer funny ,sorry
<regeya> there *was* a memo...
<DavidH86> one more question where on that disc is sshd
<andrewski> regeya: did you get that memo?
<andrewski> regeya: (i'm quoting office space, btw.)
<zenrox> DavidH86, enable univers repo
<thoreauputic> DavidH86: sudo apt-get install ssh
<regeya> heh
<Llamabutcher> has anyone used ndiswrapper to get a wireless laptop card work in ubuntu?
<DavidH86> ok
* regeya gets his tps reports ready
<zenrox> DavidH86,  read www.ubuntuguide.org to keep newbie questions to a min
<madstop> alright, gotta boot to windows now, cause I need to look at a shock-infected web site, for work
<madstop> later
<dizzie> good luck :)
<andrewski> hey regeya, what's happening?  listen, i'm gonna need you to redo those tps reports.  see, we're now putting another cover on them....
<regeya> heh..."shock-infected"
<dizzie> hehe
<thoreauputic> madstop: hope you get better
<dizzie> windows is a shock :)
<thoreauputic> ;)
<thoreauputic> indeed
<DavidH86> says it couldnt find packages for sshd
<regeya> too much coffee for me this week...can feel the effects
<andrewski> DavidH86: you can ask all the questions you want here, but we may refer you to ubuntuguide.org. ;)
<madstop> (I'm holding out for svg to take over from shockwave)
<thoreauputic> DavidH86: ssh
<dizzie> DavidH86: apt-get install ssh
<DavidH86> nevermind
<DavidH86> lol
<regeya> feeling depressed, edgy, and now a headache is coming on...must boost seratonin level somehow...hm.
<thoreauputic> regeya: ice cream is full of serotonin ;)
<andrewski> anyone know their way around udev?
<regeya> heh
<dizzie> Give icecream !
<regeya> shoot, I forgot to pick up some guiness on the way home!
<dizzie> :<
<regeya> and it's st. pat's day and everything :-/
<andrewski> cp /usr/local/icecream /home/andrewski
<dizzie> ;)
<dizzie> cat /dev/icecream >> dizzie
<dizzie> :)
<thoreauputic> dpkg-reconfigure waistline
<andrewski> thoreauputic: lol
<Centy> "C|N>K" was the daddy of them all :P
<andrewski> Centy: what's that?
<dizzie> I like this, fully installed and upgraded system = 334MB in use ;)
<andrewski> dizzie: 334MB HD space?
<dizzie> yip
<andrewski> wow.
<dizzie> newly installed server :)
<Centy> C=coffee, N=nose, K=keyboard
<andrewski> ah, server.  i.e. no X, etc?
<dizzie> Hoary ofc :)
<andrewski> Centy: ah, lol.
<Centy> ;)
<inphlict> Is it possible to run photoshop in linux?
<gfxstyler> yes
<dizzie> andrewski: nope, now i just need sshd+proftpd+apache2+php5+mysql+psybnc :)
<gfxstyler> with wine
<regeya> yes.
<andrewski> inphlict: why not use gimp?
<inphlict> is wine free?
<gfxstyler> yes its free
<regeya> or if you're using a mac, with mol
<inphlict> I'm very good with photoshop
<gfxstyler> but i suggest gimp
<inphlict> I'm not used to gimp
<gfxstyler> it does not take long, i switched from photoshop too
<dizzie> gimp can use photoshop plugins :)
<andrewski> inphlict: it's very similar and much easier to use in linux.  wine can be a pain.
<dizzie> I love gimp :o
<Centy> gimp (unfortunately) doesn
<inphlict> I know everything there is to know about photoshop
<gfxstyler> but another problem: why isnt my sound working (only esd works)
<Centy> doesn't support cradle-to-grave colour managment
<inphlict> photoshop 5.0
<inphlict> and I dont think I can make the switch
<inphlict> so used to it
<regeya> ooh, a moldy oldy
<inphlict> I cant even switch to CS
<inphlict> because I'm so used to it
<regeya> I'm refusing to go 7->cs
<andrewski> inphlict: you could use older versions of gimp?
<HrdwrBoB> photoshop on windows is very different
<regeya> inphlict: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ps55
<HrdwrBoB> photoshop on mac is not all that different to GIMP
<dizzie> i was devoted to photoshop cs, but i hated windows so much... linux is nice and gimp vs photoshop is just a matter of time
<farruinn> HrdwrBoB: I agree
<regeya> I beg your pardon HrdwrBoB
<inphlict> cool
<farruinn> with the windows part
<inphlict> This is what I do with photoshop http://phase0.host-dot.com
<HrdwrBoB> regeya: yes?
<inphlict> and this is mostly photoshop http://www.phase0.info
<geneo93> gimp.org
<dizzie> bleh no php5 in ubuntu :(
<regeya> Wait..I haven't used CS hardly any at all...so I may be saying something stupid when I say "GIMP will be like Mac Photoshop when the Adobe people smoke enough crack to think putting Colors->Levels under "Layer" is a good idea"
<biatche> at this point -- would you use hoary preview 7 or warty still?
<sl64> is there a way to create a ubuntu boot disk in ubuntu?
<regeya> use Mac Photoshop (7) all the time, and I find gimp and photoshop to be fairly dissimilar
<andrewski> biatche: i've been using hoary for a few months.
<gfxstyler> hmmm
<HrdwrBoB> regeya: yes, however the overall UI is not entirely dissimilar
<gfxstyler> totem sound seems to work too
<HrdwrBoB> windows photoshop has a hideous MDI
<gfxstyler> damn xmms
<regeya> adobe could take the gimp approach and go for the no-mdi model
<sl64> Does anyone know if there is a way to make a boot diskette in ubuntu?
<inphlict> lol just found my old windows pic
<inphlict> http://www.customize.org/view/30486
<regeya> to be fair, I use gimp all the time and find it to be great for a lot of things
<brad> do people know the update to fontconfig is broken?
<andrewski> regeya: doesn't gimp have MDI?
<gfxstyler> wtf is that ?? i hate xmms -.-
<inphlict> who are u talking to?
<brad> anyone who will listen...
<inphlict> cool
<andrewski> gfxstyler: inphlict's screenshot?  that was windows....
<inphlict> I said it was windows
<andrewski> who's everyone talking to?! ^_^
<gfxstyler> andrewski: iam talking to myself :D
<dizzie> brad, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=98157
<andrewski> 0_o rather.
<sl64> did anyone see my question? :(
<andrewski> sl64: no idea.
<regeya> and it rawks, btw
<HillTop> Is ubuntu thinking of using UnionFS in Hoary so the livecd can has persistent memory on the USB drive? See http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/6654 about KNOPPIX 3.8.
<sl64> ill post again
<brad> thanks dizzie!
<brad> much appreciated
<regeya> yay
<andrewski> sl64: i have no idea as to your question.
<sl64> i just need to know if there is a way I can make a boot diskette for ubuntu
<sl64> my boot loader is acting real gay
<gfxstyler> lol
<regeya> does it remodel your house for you?
<thoreauputic> sl64: the command is ` mkboot`  IIRC
<regeya> if so send it my wayu
<regeya> if it also cooks, bonus points
<andrewski> poor taste
<thoreauputic> sl64: from the man page:  mkboot - makes a bootdisk
<sl64> cool, thanks :D
<sl64> also, i have one more thing to ask
<sl64> i was really stupid and I installed grub onto my hda2 partition (my xp one)... and now, i can't boot to xp because it loops the boot loaders
<sl64> can I just restore the MBR and that will go away? or is it on the partition itself?
<thoreauputic> the mbr is never on a partition
<Quest-Master> sl64: You can restore the MBR
<Quest-Master> Or, well GRUB at least
<sl64> where does grub install itself if you selected it to be on /dev/hda2?
<sl64> mbr or the actual partiton?
<Centy> sl64, the boot sector
<dizzie> yay let alone gentoo, my server is running ubuntu now :)
<brad> thanks folks, fixed fontconfig, by the way ubuntu rocks, really appreciate the hard work everyone does, goodnight!
<sl64> so how would I remove it from the boot sector?
<dizzie> nn brad :)
<Quest-Master> sl64: Are you trying to go back to Windows?
<Centy> sl64: oops - I meant the parition
<sl64> yeah to take my crap off and move it to ubuntu.. and i can't mount my ntfs drive
<thoreauputic> sl64: you don't need to, if you reinstall grub on the MBR
<sl64> i have it on both 0_o
* dizzie does a ritual gentoo cd bashing
<Centy> Boot sector is easy - just boot the WinXP installer to rescue mode and run through it from there.
<Quest-Master> Yes
<Quest-Master> Go to the Windows XP Recovery console
<sl64> i don't have the xp disk, all I have is a recovery partition
<Quest-Master> Type in fixmbr and fixboot
<Quest-Master> sl64: There might be a recovery console in there.
<sl64> can't get to it :(
<sl64> i tried
<sl64> it won't boot to the recovery console because that bootloader is blocking it
<Quest-Master> :(!
<Centy> You should be able to D/L a recover console boot disk from somewhere....
* gfxstyler is testing wlan, brb 
<sl64> i hope so
<sl64> lol
<sl64> any suggestions where?
<Quest-Master> You can, actually.
<Quest-Master> sl64: Can you boot into Windows?
<sl64> nope
<Quest-Master> Oh.
<thoreauputic> sl64: you can even install grub on a floppy
<sl64> yeah
<biatche> is latest hoary considered desktop stable / production use?
<thoreauputic> sl64: it can find your root/boot sectors
<geneo93> bootdisk.com
<P229> sl64: unless you have some way of booting from the recovery partition or booting from some disk that came with your computer, your windows installation is toast
<thoreauputic> biatche: no
<dizzie> biatche: both imo
<Nobuyuki`> woot, the thing finally uncompressed
<Nobuyuki`> booted right into a black screen
<thoreauputic> dizzie: no way
<thoreauputic> dizzie: production? current hoary?
<thoreauputic> :(
<dizzie> thoreauputic: well :)
<sl64> maybe i can corrupt grub.conf and it won't display the boot loader?
<sl64> maybe i can disable it somehow so it boots straight thru?
<P229> sl64: uh, no
<sl64> meh
<P229> sl64: do you remember if you installed the bootloader onto the MBR or the first sector of your boot partition?
<sl64> at first i installed it on the MBR..
<sl64> the 2nd time I installed it to my xp partition (really dumb)
<thoreauputic> sl64: use a live CD to get at your stuff- much easier
<P229> sl64: quite :)
<sl64> roflmao
<sl64> ill try fdisk /mbr
<sl64> will that do anything?
<WhiteRabbit> reformat the mbr it will
<sl64> ok
<geneo93> yes then you'll be hung in nowhere land
<thoreauputic> sl64: not unless you have a DOS floppy with the right stuff on it
<WhiteRabbit> make sure to have a media to install something back onto the mbr & know what your doin before hand though
<biatche> grrr.... how long will i have to wait for hoary final :/
<sl64> what do I need to restore the mbr?
<thoreauputic> biatche: April 6
<biatche> i have three options now... to install gentoo (what i usually use), hoary, or centos
<sl64> i have fdisk
<WhiteRabbit> google bootdisk top link
<geneo93> s164 bootdisk.com
<sl64> ok
<geneo93> 6-7 floppys for xp
<WhiteRabbit> win98 = 1
<sl64> Windows XP Fresh Install Bootdisk?
<geneo93> no
<WhiteRabbit> sl64, do you happen to own a copy of win98?
<sl64> yeh on a cd
<gfxstyler> how can i install .ttf fonts in ubuntu?
<WhiteRabbit> sl64, grab the win98 boot disk then
<sl64> i have it
<sl64> well, here is what happened
<thoreauputic> gfxstyler: dump them in ~/.fonts
<sl64> i have a windows xp boot disk
<WhiteRabbit> read up on reinstalling grub
<sl64> but it does nothing... heres why:
<gfxstyler> thoreauputic: thx
<WhiteRabbit> sl64, a floppy boot disk.
<sl64> my recovery partition made a virtual drive or something, so whenever it looks for c: it goes to this virtual drive.. and when my xp boot disk is looking for system files (hal.dll, etc..) it cant find em
<WhiteRabbit> sl64, be careful you scare me!
<P229> if the windows bootloader is overwritten, he's not going to be able to ever boot back into that windows installation
<WhiteRabbit> sl64, mybe you should read up on reinstalling grub before blasting any mbrs away.
<sl64> will reinstalling grub get rid of that 2nd bootloader though?
<P229> sl64: no
<sl64> ok then..
<sl64> any way to directly edit the boot sector in dos?
<sl64> or repair it or something?
<P229> sl64: theoretically, yes
<P229> sl64: practically, no
<thoreauputic> sl64: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
<geneo93> s164 if you installed grub there first time there is nothing left to repair
<P229> sl64: please list all your partitions and what's on them
<thoreauputic> sl64: that article tells you how to manipulate the mbr and install grub
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  he installed grub to ntfs partition though
<P229> and the MBR
<geneo93> hehe
<dizzie> Hrm work in 2 hrs and 20 min. Guess sleep isnt an option :()
<gfxstyler> rofl
<geneo93> double you chances of never booting windows again
<P229> sl64: get a Linux livecd and backup any documents, etc., from your windows installation, because I'm just about 100% certain you won't be able to ever boot that windows installation again
<gfxstyler> if someone wants me to never boot windows again please ask god for 3d support @ ati radeon mobility 9600
<sl64> i can't really access my windows partiton from a boot disk because that virtual drive is in the way
<Centy> Tell it to ATi, not god.
<gilbs72> hello. need help. how do i log on as 'root' (graphical)?  need to change folder permissions for users.  ..don't wanna bother everyone with newbie questions.  a good link will do.  advanced thanks!
<odie5533> Is Ubuntu slow for anyone?
<gfxstyler> Centy: yes u are right
<pinPoint> ouchie!
<odie5533> Ubuntu is slower than windows and SuSe for me =/
<regeya> odie5533: for 486 users.
* P229 finds it very strange that Centy used capitalization for ATi but not for God
<pinPoint> i just pulled my lappy power supply cable
<odie5533> I have a 2.6gHz AMD
<pinPoint> while installing
* regeya finds everything strange
<Centy> P229, you read into things too much :P
<geneo93> God dont exist man
<sl64> and P229:   hda1 has my recovery partition (FAT32), hda2 has my wxp installation w/ grub (NTFS), hda3 has my linux root, hda4 is a extended vfat (automatically made), and hda5 is my swap
<P229> sl64: Knoppix will let you mount your NTFS partitions and read data from them
<regeya> ATi means more to kids than Jesus
<sl64> one sec, ill check that
<P229> Centy: :-D
* gfxstyler finds it strange that you find things like that strange that no other would need to find strange because that would be really ...strange :D
<sl64> i tried mounting them, but no luck (hopefully when I try again it will work)
<DarthFrog> I find gfxstyler strange.
<WhiteRabbit> regeya, some us still belive that the one is above all logic
<sl64> it always returned "wrong fs type, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, or too many mounted devices"
<gfxstyler> lol
<regeya> WhiteRabbit: I was paraphrasing John Lennon, but I happen to agree
<geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  i he did why all the bs
<Centy> sl64: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/<FOO>
<geneo93> i* if
<Centy> sl64: where <FOO> is a mount point (ie, empty directory)
<odie5533> I installed windows XP after installing Ubuntu, and now when I load grub, it won't load ubuntu, any ideas?
<sl64> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
<sl64>        or too many mounted file systems
<P229> sl64: if you're lucky, there will be a boot information on /dev/hda1 (your recovery partition). use fdisk to toggle the boot flag on, then reboot
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, the greater the struggle the greater the cause. :)
<geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  thats bs
<netsniper> anyone know how to delete all the files created in the last 20 minutes
<Rene_S> carefully ?
<Xenguy> netsniper: find + xargs rm
<pinPoint> thats a lousy answer
<netsniper> i tried --> for i in `find . -ctime -20`; do rm $i; done
<netsniper> Xenguy, ahh thanks man
<netsniper> i have seen xargs vefore but never used it
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, Life is a tragedy for those who feel, And a comedy for those who think.
<netsniper> it is lousy?
<Xenguy> netsniper: just an idea, you'll need to read man pages and debug :-)
<netsniper> pinPoint, whats lous?
<pinPoint> netsniper: no Rene_S answer
<netsniper> oh ok lol
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, Im sorry you feel that way.
<Rene_S> Its humour, get off my back
<geneo93> why WhiteRabbit
<geneo93> i'm fine with it
<sl64> im going to go and see if i can still access my windows xp partition
<sl64> with a boot disk
<sl64> or if there is that virtual drive in the way still
<sl64> cya
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, thats all that matters is what you think now even though 10 years from now you willl go wtf was I thinking on a decade scale. as know one has the exact thought process for more than a 10 year span at any giving time.
<geneo93> hehe he has no more windows
* gfxstyler is installing xfce 4.2 now
<sabmoc> any way to install an rpm in ubuntu?
<geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  i'm 57 yrs old and dont expect to live another 10 yrs
<Xenguy> sabmoc: Try to avoid that (is there a specific app you want?)
<geneo93> sabmoc:  alien
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: sudo apt-get install alien ;  alien <rpm>
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, so your are but a leaf on the river of life & already you think you see the water fall ahead you say, you say.
<Xenguy> geneo93: are you ill, or just pessimistic? :-)
<sabmoc> thanks for alien
<P229> nihilistic, I'm thinking
<P229> :-P
<geneo93> well i have major problems
<technomajian> Greetings, all.
<gfxstyler> hey technomajian
<Xenguy> geneo93: most problems are workable (thankfully things chance :-)
<geneo93> Xenguy:  lots of things going wrong
<Xenguy> s/chance/change/
<geneo93> mind going south for one
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, Things are only as bad as the beholders mind precives them.
<geneo93> arteries pluged for 2
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, the mind can kill with sickness so there forth the mind can heal sickness.
<Xenguy> geneo93: that sucks :-(  Sure yer not just psyching yourself out?
<geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  you sure wouldn't want what i have to endur
<Xenguy> geneo93: for the arteries - *red* wine (seriously)
<geneo93> Xenguy:  no its not that at all docs opinion
<P229> mmm... red wine
<sabmoc> im very afraid
<sabmoc> 71 packages need to be updated :(
<sabmoc> eeee
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, I promiss you what ever it is someone else has had it way worse than you.
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: sounds normal...
<crimsun> sabmoc: sudo apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
<Xenguy> geneo93: doctors need to be taken with a large grain of salt (in most cases)
<geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  yeah someone burried
<geneo93> hehe
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, being burried is a joy & time for a family party at your parting. :)
<Xenguy> WhiteRabbit: I agree that the body will try to heal itself whenever possible
<thoreauputic> Xenguy: nah, large grains of salt are bad for blood pressure ;)
<sabmoc> crimsun: thank you
<Xenguy> thoreauputic: heh
<R0bNyc> I thought PReview was going to be the last ubuntu, but now we have again Array 7
<kanga> morning sabmov you there?
<kanga> sabmoc
<sabmoc> kanga: hi
<crimsun> R0bNyc: arrays are milestones
<sabmoc> kanga: how is the install?
<R0bNyc> meaning?
<WhiteRabbit> geneo93, those who are earthed are without pain in the sense you feel & see it.
<crimsun> R0bNyc: meaning all milestones lead to a release
<kanga> sabmoc: hi i got it right had to reburn the cd as an iso it worked when i tried it
<R0bNyc> crimsun: oh
<R0bNyc> so if I havent gotten it should I get preview or array 7 now
<geneo93> crimsun:  do you know the cut off point for hoary or date
<crimsun> R0bNyc: array 7
<R0bNyc> hopefully milestones comes with the nice ubuntu wallpaper
<crimsun> geneo93: RC is 30 March
<sabmoc> kanga: cool
<kanga> thanks for the help;)
<geneo93> cool thanks crimsun
<sabmoc> no problem, so what do you think?
<onEnterFrame> Hey guys - anyone knows why external CD drives don't work on ubuntu after using it to install ubuntu itself?
<crimsun> what sort of external cdrom?
<kanga> well i still need to do a lot of learning i already use firefox
<onEnterFrame> USB CD-ROM
<onEnterFrame> it detects it as CD-ROM 1
<onEnterFrame> but
<gardion> anyon know how to get quicktime to work in firefox?
<onEnterFrame> it shows me a message about "unable to mount drive"
<technomajian> When I try to use Synaptic, I'm getting an error from the libtool install saying that there's no C compiler.  I know there is, I just built mplayer with it.  :-/
<fabbione> morning
<technomajian> wha?  that's ood.
<technomajian> It was installed.
<technomajian> ?
<R0bNyc> so Kubuntu is a seperate distro from Ubuntu now?
<Hmmmm> hey guys
<onEnterFrame> I looked up ubuntuforums, and some other fella posted the same message . . .but it doesn't detect any CD
<Hmmmm> can someone suggest some good repositories for ubuntu?
<Hmmmm> im on warty
<lunitik> R0bNyc: not really... I forget the terminology we are using though...
<[Rain] > ack sorry folks, im going back to windows until hoary final comes out, my computer froze 5 times and my wireless internet crapped out 6 times (only to be fixed by 2 restarts each time), not to mention the endless configuring I have to do
<sabmoc> crimsun: can you give me a quick example of using apt-listbugs? Why does man never come with examples?
<crimsun> R0bNyc: yes, it is (always has been afaik)
<onEnterFrame> so, any idea why the CD isn't working?
<R0bNyc> thanks
<crimsun> sabmoc: both apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are invoked when you apt-get {dist-}upgrade
<R0bNyc> not interested in it lol bigger than 650mb
<sl64> ok, well... it seems that on my xp partition it is ready to boot into recovery console... is there any way i can jump-start the recovery console on from dos?
<R0bNyc> I'll just kde when I install ubuntu anyways, so that means if IM on kde I'll have togo to kubuntu for support on kde?
<crimsun> sabmoc: immediately prior to unpacking and setting up updated packages, both will run
<sabmoc> crimsun: synaptic?
<crimsun> sabmoc: try it with apt-get
* sabmoc is trying to be modern and hip
<Hmmmm> sabmoc, any idea when gnome 2.10 will be apt-gettable on warty? or do we have to wait for hoary?
<hone> Hmmmm: probably hoary
<hone> Hmmmm: it's coming out april 6
<crimsun> Hmmmm: warty will not receive package updates unless they're security errata
<sabmoc> Hmmmm: yep, what crimsun said. Hoary has gnome2.10 already and its nice.
<Fackamato> Hmmmm: no reason to use warty when there's hoary :>
<sabmoc> Fackamato: enless daily upgrades scare the bejebus out of you.
<Fackamato> :P
<geneo93> Fackamato:  get used to it
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: warty works quite nicely for me, thank you - I'll upgrade when my CDs arrive ;-)
<sabmoc> crimsun: is dist-upgrade for upgrading from say.. warty to hoary, and just upgrade for regular use, or what is the deal?
<Fackamato> geneo93: ?
<Hmmmm> so if i use hoary beta i get gnome 2.10?
<geneo93> linux is moving at a real fast pace now
<crimsun> sabmoc: it's useful whenever dependencies need to be resolved by adding new or removing old packages
<Hmmmm> im moving to amd 64
<sabmoc> thoreauputic: your lucky, i wish I could use warty. but my usb printer/scanner/thing didnt like warty. Hoary is excelent, but I hate upgrading.. :P
<Hmmmm> so i think i'll do a fresh install of hoary n april 7th
<sl64> what makes a boot diskette boot? is it the boot.ini file?
<crimsun> sabmoc: have a little faith in your distro. ;-P
<sabmoc> crimsun: haha
<Hmmmm> Fackamato, know of any good irc channels for linux security?
<pest> is ape 7th the release???
<Fackamato> Hmmmm: #security ? :P
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: now if I could just get my old parallel port Canon scanner working ... *sigh*
<Fackamato> linux is as secure as can be when you have no daemons
<Hmmmm> Fackamato, thanks
<EkSoN> where mount /deb ubunti live hoary?
<EkSoN> where mount /deb ubuntu live hoary?
<Fackamato> even better, run iptables and block every incoming and outcoming traffic except port 80 outwards
<lunitik> Fackamato: outcoming huh?  :P
<sapphari> i have been trying to get my linux connected to the internet, i have tried things,  and nothing is working,  should i try again,  or reinstall ubuntu?
<crimsun> sapphari: wired ethernet or wireless?
<Fackamato> lunitik: i'm tired p:
<sabmoc> thoreauputic: those can be pretty tricky sometimes :) but usb is where the cool stuff is happening if you can afford a new printer
<onEnterFrame> ha my messages always gets ignored here
<pest> anyone got cd burning to work on a laptop w/ combo drive???
<crimsun> onEnterFrame: just be patient, please
<sapphari> ethernet etho i think
<Fackamato> sapphari: huh? give us some info, we can't guess what you have tried nor what error you get nor what setup you'rte using
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: I intend to get a new scanner - my printer works fine though
<sabmoc> pest what do you mean combo drive?
<pest> dvd/cd-rw
<jsgotangco> dvd/cd writer
<pest> si
<sapphari> i have tried sudo pppoeconf
<Fackamato> pppoeconf, aha, so you're connecting your computer directly to your adsl modem which is using pppoe
<sapphari> i guess
<sapphari> i am new to all this
<sapphari> very new
<Fackamato> to use linux
<Fackamato> you really have to know
<geneo93> sapphari:  hve you tried network-admin
<Fackamato> where the cables go from, and to
<sabmoc> thoreauputic: I have an epson cx6400, printer/scanner with a usb flash card slot, all three work out of the box with hoary. Its nice to just pop the flash card from my camera into the printer and have an icon pop up on the desktop :) very sexy.
<pest> sapphari... do mii-tool and see what it says
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: sounds cool, indeed :)
<sapphari> that is the thing,  ihave to reboot to linux to try things
<sapphari> cause the other pc crashed
<sapphari> i hate windows
<crimsun> onEnterFrame: if you've already booted into Linux, please lsmod|grep ^sd_mod
<sapphari> i had this one networked through the other pc
* gfxstyler needs some sleep
<gfxstyler> see u guys
<pest> then i dont think you should be using pppoe
<pest> sapp... why arent you using a router???
<sapphari> i basically need to write down what i need to do
<sapphari> i was
<Fackamato> don't I reconnect fast?
<Fackamato> :P
<pest> then dont use pppoe
<sapphari> but i am not connected to the router now
<pest> use mii-tool to check for connection, then use dhclient to get an address and the rest should be history
<pest> what are you connected to???
<rempresent> a-hoi-hoi, I have a question about tarballs
<pest> tar -cvf
<sapphari> straight connection now
<pest> straight to what>??
<sapphari> to dial up
<rempresent> pest  are you talking to me
<pest> eww..........
<pest> sure
<Myrtti> tar -zcvf package-in-need-of-unpacking.tar.gz
<sapphari> i use the router when i am connected to the other pc
<pest> wtf?
<pest> why
<sapphari> i don't know what else to do
<sapphari> if the other pc is crashed
<pest> what is your layout?
<rempresent> yeah, i untarred the package, but when i go to do a ./configure, my terminal says that there is no such directory
<pest> from the www in
<pest> sapp?
<sapphari> i told you i was very new
<Myrtti> rempresent: you are in the directory you unpacked?
<Myrtti> before you try ./configure?
<rempresent> yep
<rempresent> yep
<Myrtti> what are you trying to configure?
<Myrtti> or install
<rempresent> still gives me that error
<rempresent> i am trying to azureus to work, and mozilla thunderbird
<geneo93> ok maybe there not a config file
<Myrtti> rempresent: using warty?
<rempresent> yep
<Myrtti> I figured, since thunderbird is available in apt in hoary
<Myrtti> not sure about azureus
<pest> sapp.... what is your network setup from the internet in?
<rempresent> yeah, they only offer bittorrnado, i haven't messed with that much
<geneo93> azaureus has a jar file to start it
<pest> your network blueprint
<rempresent> yeah
<Fackamato> why use source
<rempresent> do i need to get java dependencies for that to work
<Fackamato> apt is there for a reason
<rempresent> aparently apt can't find either thunderbird or azureus
<Myrtti> azureus isn't in hoary either
<Myrtti> rempresent: not in warty, no, not thunderbird
<Myrtti> but in hoary it is
<rempresent> alright... that tells me wha
<crimsun> can't be due to Java issues, but there's a faint glimmer wrt jvm-dependent packages
<rempresent> am i out of luck or do i need to compile source
<geneo93> i have azureus in heree but not from src
<Myrtti> that if you would move up to the hoary which is due to be stable in a month, you'd get thunderbird with apt
<sabmoc> does xorg support those sexy mouse pointers like xfree86?
<crimsun> sabmoc: yes
<rempresent> ok, i am fine with the gnome desktop, but it is slow, is kubuntu an good option?
<sabmoc> crimsun: it is setup the same way?
<Myrtti> rempresent: do not fix what isn't broken
<crimsun> sabmoc: different environments offer differing methods, but essentially, yes
<sabmoc> rempresent: I've always found kde slower than gnome, but maybe thats just my biased subconscious favouritism when it comes to gnome.
<rempresent> got it
<rempresent> thanks
<rempresent> i am out, for the night, peace
<geneo93> crimsun:  i asked you about java yesterday did you find out if thats a sun problem or ubuntu
<crimsun> geneo93: err, refresh my memory please
<geneo93> well in the java dir it has jre1.5 instead of j2re1.5
<crimsun> geneo93: that's not even an issue; just adjust your $PATH and symlinks accordingly
* sabmoc has a morbid fear of upgrading anything on his system except artwork.
<geneo93> k well i followed al the things so maybe i didn't notice to after
<crimsun> geneo93: does ,,java -version'' work correctly, though?
<geneo93> wonder how much google spent on the st. pattys day art
<geneo93> gij (GNU libgcj) version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
<HillTop> Anyone else have trouble with this link   http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39185092,00.htm      It blows away Firefox in Warty -- repeats anytime I click to it. But I can save the web page to hard disc and it read/edits in Nvu without trouble.
<DavidH86> so can anyone tell me why it is that i can run a program if i set it as a exec   but if i dotn then it say permission denied
<DarthFrog> HillTop: Loads fine.
<Myrtti> executable?
<DarthFrog> HillTop: In Hoary, that is.
<DavidH86> yesd
<Myrtti> DavidH86: that's what it's supposed to do
<DavidH86> ok
<Jeezis> HillTop: loads fine on Hoary
<DavidH86> its the unreal tournament 2k4 server
<HillTop> Thanks DarthFrog.   But what about Warty anyone?  I just burned a new Hoary live CD :)   But Warty is on the hard disk. :/  Guess I'll read the article in Nvu. Sure nice to have more than one browser!
<Myrtti> DavidH86: executable is a permission. You need to give the programs you want to run certain permissions
<DavidH86> but ti starts then liek stops
<DavidH86> so i dont know why
<crimsun> geneo93: ok, so do you have the sun jre in your $PATH?
<DarthFrog> HillTop: It's very easy to upgrade an installed system from Warty to Hoary.
<Myrtti> mmmmm chocolate
<DarthFrog> HillTop: But you probably know that. :-)
<pest> anyone got cd burning to work on a laptop w/ combo drive???
<Jeezis> pest: yeah
<Jeezis> pest: works fine on my sager 9860-s using hoary
<pest> i cant get it to work, getting it to play DVDs was a pain too
<Jeezis> pest: hmmm, havent tried playing dvds yet, but it burned cds fine
<pest> it plays DVDs now, but has never burnt cd's
<Jeezis> pest: does it give you any errors?
<pest> i tried gcombust, k3b, gnome-baker
<HillTop> Thanks DarthFrog.   I'm checking out Warty -- learning. And in April I'll upgrade.  I read that upgrades to Hoary while in preview might be risky.  I did do an total refresh of the system today, so it up to date Warty.  Why would Firefox Hoary be better than current Warty Firefox?
<sevas_26> hello crew
<pest> something about it being the wrong size
<Jeezis> pest: hmmm
<pest> illegal mode
<pest> error 255
<DarthFrog> HillTop: Different support libraries, perhaps.  And upgrading to Hoary is almost risk-free. :-)
<bored> How can I get MPlayer to work with eSound ??
<sevas_26> guy's  I wanna install ubuntu ontop my old suse , but I don't want to change my /home
<sevas_26> there's some way to do that ???
<pest> secvas, did you partition as a seperate /home
<DarthFrog> HillTop: Mind you, it's very much my impression that Ubuntu is a truly excellent Linux distribution, good for newbies and experts alike.  I've been running Linux since 1993 and feel right at home in Ubuntu.
<Myrtti> HillTop: because hoary firefox is 1.0.1 and warty firefox is 0.9.3
<DavidH86> grr why does the exec start   then stops and goes back to command promp
<Jeezis> pest: whats the make and model of your machine?
<sevas_26> [pest]  no
<pest> enpower 740
<HillTop> DarthFrog.  If I update to Hoary, will the extra programs I installed: Nvu, Acrobat Reader, etc. be OK or will their library connections be broken? :/    Oh!! Thanks Myrtti, that would explain that. :)
<sabmoc> crimsun: Wow, no breakage; apt-listbugs is very reasuring, thanks again.
<DarthFrog> HillTop: They'll be fine.
<bored> How can I get MPlayer to work with eSound ??
<markybob> anyone know of an openoffice.org 2.0 beta repository for ubuntu?
<sabmoc> markybob: I think its in multiverse
<crimsun> bored: mpalyer -ao esd
<crimsun> bored: mplayer^
<markybob> sabmoc, can you point me to where i can read about that?  i'm a debian user, just trying out ubuntu
<Myrtti> HillTop: don't know about that
<bored> thanks crimsun, how can I do this in gmplayer if I cant see ESD in the config ?
<DarthFrog> markybob: It's in universe.  openoffice.org2
<crimsun> markybob: 1.9.76 is in hoary/main
<spreda> join #slug
<markybob> oh ok.  thanks.
<deFrysk> markybob, its somewjere :D
<DarthFrog> crimsun: The beta for OO.o 2 is in main?  Wow.
<sevas_26> [pest]  are u there ??
<pest> yup
<sevas_26> ahh,
<pest> enpower 740
<sabmoc> markybob: I just read moments ago on ubuntu wiki about feature planning for hoary and it listed Ooo2 as pending in multiverse, more than that I cant tell you.
<sabmoc> yeah, what crimsun said.. kekeke
<pest> sevas, if you did'nt partition your home seperately, you may be in for a hard life lesson
<gardion> anybody got sound to work with mplayer?
<sevas_26> [pest]  there is some way to keep  ?home
<gardion> I can see pictures but not sound.
<pinPoint> this os looks nice
* pinPoint likes  the sounds
<sevas_26> >>/home
<pinPoint> heheh
<bored> gardion same question here, cant get esd in it :@
<gardion> I wanted to add mplayer so I could watch quicktime
<raghu> any one has manual to refer about NAS
<pest> anybody<gardion> anybody got sound to work with mplayer?..........turn off the sound system, and only use one a/v prog at a time
<crimsun> gardion: you turned _off_ the sound system?
<pest> sevas, you could always build a fileserver to pull everything onto and back from
<bored> crimsun it works thank u!
<crimsun> bored: np
<gardion> how do you turn off the sound?
<pest> hang on.......
<crimsun> gardion: oh, sorry, I misread pest's response.
<sevas_26> [pest]  u mind,  ftp server
<crimsun> gardion: did you try mplayer -ao esd ?
<bored> gardion system > pref > sound > disable
<pest> desktop preferences>>sound
<gardion> let me try that.  mplayer -ao esd first
<pest> sevas, yup, i got one just for shizzle like this
<sevas_26> or make a new partition n back it up,  right ??
<pest> you certainly could if ya got space
<sevas_26> yeah, I have  enough
<pest> qtparted
<sevas_26> [pest]  manpart ??
<pest> learn it live it love it
<sevas_26> ok
<sevas_26> fdisk , no ??
<pest> sure
<pest> its all about pref's
<sevas_26> I newby :/
<pest> then use qtparted
<thoreauputic> sevas_26: why are the nicks you address showing as [nick]  ? Makes it look like you are quoting someone.. ?
<sevas_26> taking notes
<siimo> hi can i FTP install ubuntu ?
<siimo> hoary
<pest> sevas, get linux complete by sybex books
<pinPoint> its very hairy... erh hoary
<siimo> or even a 100MB netinstall iso like debian?
<siimo> i dont need more than half the stuff on the full iso
<crimsun> siimo: then do a minimal install in expert mode from the iso.
<sevas_26> [pest]  sybex ?
<pest> its dated, but it'll teach you all that there is to know for $19.99
<pest> 2002
<Jeezis> siimo: get the full iso and do expert install
<Jeezis> choose the packages you want
<pest> yea, sybex books
<siimo> crimsun, i remember seeing a 4 or 5 MB boot.iso before
<siimo> not exist anymore?
<edlang> hang on. are you guys somewhat arguing about an irc script?
<sevas_26> ok, thanks for the info
<pest> amazon for $2.47 US
<sevas_26> :)
<gardion> I still can't hear sound with mplayer after turning the sound off.
<gardion> what multimedia framework should gstreamer be using?
<pest> congrats on dumping suse by the way, she can be an evil bitch with all those deps
<sevas_26> yes
<sevas_26> [pest]  is  driving me crazy somethimes
<Myrtti> I remember back when I first tried Linux
<pest> foshizzle
<Myrtti> Red Hat 8 or 7
<Myrtti> dependency hell
<Myrtti> <3
<Myrtti> mmmm more chocolate
<crimsun> gardion: if you turned off the sound system, then just use mplayer -ao alsa
<deFrysk> Myrtti, never had probs with rh7
<sevas_26> try ubuntu frst in a old  P3 500Mz n' rock's
<deFrysk> <--broadband
<sevas_26> now  I want ubuntu  in this one
<crimsun> siimo: I don't see one at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/
<pest> gardion, try www.ubuntuguide.org has a walkthrough on getting sound issues worked out
<Myrtti> deFrysk: I had newbie problems, that I admit
<deFrysk> Myrtti, ok ;)
<Myrtti> but I remember what it was like trying to search for such and such software
<pinPoint> hello, how can I install my wireless nic
<Myrtti> could've been 6
<Jeezis> pinPoint: ndiswrapper
<Myrtti> *sigh*
<deFrysk> Myrtti, in my early days i had a hard time to let go of the m$ way thinking
<pest> >>>DUMB QUESTION OF THE NIGHT<<<  can you iqc on multiple servers at once, not just channels??? never used irc before...
<Myrtti> pest: yes
<Jeezis> pest: yup
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: then trying to understand all the different architectures, and which version etc - I remember too :)
<Myrtti> or wait
<sevas_26> defrisk   :-P
<Myrtti> pest: depends fully on your client :-)
<pest> i wonder what is going on then
<Jeezis> pest: well, what client are you using
<pest> x-chat
<Jeezis> lol, Myrtti
<thoreauputic> pest: make a new server tab
<sevas_26> I leaving >> thank u guy's again 4 all the info
<pest> it cut me offa colug when i came here
<Myrtti> Jeezis: it's not that far away when mIRC could connect only to one server at the time
<deFrysk> I think at first we all had 'how do i install winamp.exe ?' feelings
<sevas_26> thank u [pest] 
<Myrtti> I think I used it then
<deFrysk> ;p
<pest> no worries, sevas
<pest> where you at by the way, sevas
<pest> ?
<Myrtti> Aberdeeb
* sevas_26 is back
<Myrtti> Aberdeen, even
<Myrtti> ;-)
<sevas_26> yes
<pinPoint> Jeezis: oh boi, i was afraid of that. i was just fighting the whole day with mdk10.1
<sevas_26> close enough
<pinPoint> i switched now im back again
<Jeezis> pinPoint: yeah, i used mdk 10.0 & 10.1, i think you'll like a debian based distro a lot better
<pest> pin... you think your fighting, try getting kismet to jive w/ an intel 2100
<sevas_26> aberdeen , maryland
<pinPoint> whats that
<pest> sevas, fun...kerrycountry
<pinPoint> Jeezis: does that mean it will be easier
<pest> kismet and intel 2100 dont like eachother
<sevas_26> LOL
<thoreauputic> sevas_26: hah - here I was imagining you in Scotland !
<pinPoint> because on mdk i could not get wlan0 to up
<Jeezis> neither do ati x800 mobile and x
<pinPoint> it was installed though
<sevas_26> no fun, just cool winter
<Jeezis> they dont like each other at all
<pest> i wish that bastard would have been more like edwards
<Myrtti> you know what I just realized
<Myrtti> I have to reinstall the whole shebang today or tomorrow
<pest> or 1280x800 lcd's from noname in korea
<Myrtti> I'm getting a new CPU and mobo
<deFrysk> my updatewatch insists on seeing two (more) updates , its beginning to act like rhd's up2date hehe
<Jeezis> Myrtti, i was just laughing earlier b/c we were saying the same things
<Jeezis> at the same time
<Myrtti> Jeezis: sync :-)
<pest> ive got my dang X11config file burnt to cd cause i know damn well that nothing else works
<sevas_26> gotta sleep,  bye
<Myrtti> no, but seriously, I love my irssi over mIRC
<pest> peace
<pest> sevas
<Myrtti> I can't understand what kept me on mIRC for such a long time
<geneo91> crimsun:  everything is in order for java
<crimsun> geneo91: ok
<pest> who needs java
<crimsun> I do, for one. :-)
<geneo91> azureus does
<pest> poo
<geneo91> pest:  must be one of those beos users
<Jeezis> right now i have to use default settings for xorg, gnome wouldnt even recognise that i had an ati card
<pest> i need not your java crapplet
<hayden> theres alot of updates after installing from the preview release disc
<Jeezis> luckily kde 3.4 does, i just need to get fgxlr to recognise it
<crimsun> eh, Java has its uses.
<Myrtti> I'd need it, I need to rehearse java coding
<lunitik> hayden: well... it is about 3 days old...
<Myrtti> though I loaned my Java book to a friend of mine
<Jeezis> crimsun, yes it does
<crimsun> it, like any computer programming language, is not a catch-all
<geneo91> jython
<Jeezis> its nice to have the security of running on a virtual machine tho
<hayden> lunitik, 3 days and 175MB of updates :)
<crimsun> If I were to discard, I'd leave my students in a fairly bad position to interview for industry positions.
<lunitik> hayden: busy bunch  :P
<hayden> yea
<crimsun> discard Java, rather
<pest> i only diss java cause its a royal bitch on linux
<yoyo|bot> +mono
<Jeezis> pest: thats why you need to dual-boot ;)
* lunitik pokes fontconfig ...
<pest> and i F'ing hate programming'
<pinPoint> how come I cant do su on my terminals
<pinPoint> this is different
<Jeezis> its us lazy peoples way of resolving certain issues
<pest> dual boot, hell no!
<crimsun> pinPoint: you need to set a root password...
<pinPoint> and the setup never asked me for a root pass
<schasi> pest: Why is java such a bitch?
<crimsun> pinPoint: first, have you ensured that sudo and gksudo are inadequate?
<thoreauputic> pinPoint: use  sudo <command> with your user pass
<pinPoint> huh?
<Jeezis> pinPoint: sudo root passwd <password>
<Myrtti> pest: some of us are masochistic enough to consider it a future career
<Myrtti> programming, I mean
<pest> windows dosent touch my network, it the principal of it all, (and i like to be one of those uppity linux purists)
<Myrtti> though this EU software patent issue gives that future plan a ugly looking vertex
<Jeezis> pest: hehehe, i just have winblows for gaming
<schasi> pest: There have just been some windws-sent-packets that went into your network
<crimsun> pest: so you use completely open hardware, from the bios upward?
<Myrtti> Jeezis: I actually play games more on Linux than I ever did in Windows
<pest> someday........
<pest> oh, and fuck the EU
<pest> (by the way)
<Jeezis> Myrtti: yes, i just havent gotten my 3d to work yet
<schasi> Jeezis: sudo ROOT passwd <password> ?
<crimsun> language, please. Remember the CoC.
<yoyo|bot> +world
<schasi> whats the root for? i did it without it
<pest> ok sorry, fudge the goddarned EU!
<Jeezis> schasi: i couldnt remember if you needed it or not
<schasi> or changed it, sudo passwd root
<sic|> anyone know of a really good mixer that will kick ass for things like TeamSpeak?
<pinPoint> Jeezis: thats so complicated
<pinPoint> all i did was
<pinPoint> passwd
<pinPoint> that all
<pinPoint> thats*
<crimsun> sic|: please be more precise regarding "mixer"
<pinPoint> got that habit from my bsd box
<pest> yea 3d sucks if ya got funky hardware
<Jeezis> pinPoint: you use linux! why make anything simple! ;)
<pest> fo reel
<pinPoint> all that typing
<sic|> crimsun: sound card mixer...  ex. alsa, OSS
<pinPoint> man, i dont commute that far
<pinPoint> lol
<pest> i only hate java causi i suck at proggramming
<Jeezis> pest: i have an ati x800 pro mobility...and i also have to make alsa like my sound card
<sic|> crimsun: can't get TeamSpeak to work right...people can barely hear me
<crimsun> sic|: Are you referring to a gui mixer control, like the Volume Control or alsamixergui?
<micmur> Hey crimsun
<crimsun> hi.
<pest> alsa here, with an ati radeon mobility 9600 1280x800
<sic|> crimsun: yes
<crimsun> sic|: and the ALSA mixer option in Volume Control isn't cutting it?
<pinPoint> Jeezis: tell me, i dont have to install a new kernel do I?
<pinPoint> for ndiswrapper
<crimsun> Jeezis: which sound card?
<pest> anyone from denver???
<sic|> crimsun: nope...people can barely hear me and I have it turned all the way up
<Jeezis> crimsun: realtek
<crimsun> Jeezis: could you be more precise? realtek only describes the ac97, not the actual controller
<Jeezis> pinPoint: i wouldnt think so, they have a repository for it i believe
<Jeezis> crimsun: sure just a sec
<micmur> Any reason why, when I installed Array 7, I would be getting errors in sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg
<micmur> fontconfig file?
<Sion_Barzhad> i have downloaded a .wmv file, It plays the audio, but no visual. How do I get it too work. I can see an image of the clip on the file Thumbnail
<crimsun> micmur: there's a thread on u-u about it :-)
<pinS> this line here
<micmur> k
<pinS> ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version> /lib/modules/VERSION/build
<farruinn> micmur: this is while installing array 7?
<micmur> Post-install
<Myrtti> Sion_Barzhad: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<Jeezis> crimsun: realtek hd audio with 5.1 sound
<Sion_Barzhad> I can run other wmvs
<Sion_Barzhad> just not his one
<crimsun> pinS: _bad_ idea.  Instead, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<Sion_Barzhad> i alreayd have the codecs
<pinS> what
<pinS> thats on the ndiswrapper manual
<micmur> I just installed the linux-686 image and I'm getting that as an error
<pinS> whats that stuff you typed
<crimsun> pinS: do not manually create the symlink, use the appropriate linux-headers-foo package
<pinS> sudo apt-get install linux*??
<pinS> gosh!! that looks close to programming
<crimsun> pinS: no, what I typed above: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<pinS> it doesnt get simpler than that huh
<Sion_Barzhad> TAHNK YOU ASSHOLES FOR HELPING
<pinS> that right there looks like a function itself
<pinS> lol
<Myrtti> that was quite constructive
<Myrtti> I might say
<Jeezis> that it was
<crimsun> yes, he waited a whole 3 minutes.
<bluefoxicy> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SUIDFiles
<crimsun> thank goodness for patience, eh?
<thoreauputic> wow, a 2 minute patience fuse...
<pinS> its good compared to a grenade ;)
<pest> let microsoft have him!
<sic|> well, linux in any distro is FAR from ready for the end user...so people get really frustrated...doesn't excuse his behavior though
<Myrtti> I prolly shouldn't have tried to help him at all
<Jeezis> oh well, now he will never be able to play his poor wmv file
<Myrtti> maybe he would've had better fuse then
<lithiumfox> yaw
<pest> (wmv is pretty much just for porno anyways)...
<sabmoc> crimsun: apt-listbugs also works with synaptic, but you have to toggle the "terminal view" or it will sit there and wait for you to hit enter to continue with installation.
<Jeezis> pest: exactly ;)
<crimsun> Jeezis: please be more specific, preferrably the line from lspci -v
<pest> and it sucks that mosta the time they dont work!!!
<geneo91> the way i figure i have the rest of my life to figure this out
<mdz> micmur: bug #7819, just recently fixed
<Myrtti> I actually might need wmv support to look at a news recording at a Finnish television station
<pinS> crimsun, so that gets it and installs what exactly
<lithiumfox> alot of stuff uses wmv streaming other then porn
<micmur> Looking at the u-u forum
<Myrtti> they sent us email that they are doing a piece on our website and the stuff it informs about
<pinS> why dont i need to create link
<micmur> Problems solved
<lithiumfox> i think real has more porn usage
<micmur> Thanks crimsun
<sabmoc> Myrtti: *cough, porn, cough*
<pest> I'm getting to the point that im planning on using only FREE-FREE software, and thatll have to include codecs
<Myrtti> sabmoc: quite the opposite, I might say
<sabmoc> Myrtti: only joking :)
<micmur> crimsun: When you have a few, lemme know
<Myrtti> sabmoc: I know
<crimsun> pinS: installing that package installs the necessary files and creates the proper symlink
<pinS> Setting up linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386 (2.6.10-25.2) ...
<pinS> Errors were encountered while processing:
<Jeezis> crimsun: sorry, i'm in windoze now...downloading half life 2
<crimsun> pinS: you should be using 2.6.10-5-foo
<Myrtti> I'm just having a bad morning and I'm trying to get it back on the right tracks with tiny little easter eggs
<Jeezis> i mean...>_>
<pinS> ??
<Myrtti> chocolate mmmmm
<pinS> i just installed this for the first time tonight
<pinS> i have no idea of what you speak off
<pinS> of*
<crimsun> pinS: there're many fixes for the kernel that are in an updated kernel package
<pinS> ok...
<zenrox> and pinS  whats your cpu
<pinS> 2.66ghz
<zenrox> 386 bprobly ant needed
<zenrox> celron
<zenrox> ??
<crimsun> sic|: have you tried manually adjusting the necessary sliders in alsamixer (running in a Terminal)?
<pinS> pentium
<zenrox> pinS, get the linux-2.6.10-5-686 kernel
<pinS> how
<zenrox> stay away from the 386
<siimo> hi does warty use udev ?
<crimsun> siimo: yes
<pinS> zenrox, i typed this sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<pinS> and it did its thing
<siimo> so i can actually dist-upgradr to hoary without too much problems if i just do a expert base install of warty
<zenrox> pinS,  do a sudo apt-get install linux-686
<gardion> any of you had trouble with the cd player?
<crimsun> siimo: certainly
<hayden> how can i check how much free space i have on my drives?
<gardion> with the cd player playing cds.
<crimsun> hayden: df -h
<hayden> thanks agian
<crimsun> hayden: or the GNOME System Monitor
<hayden> ok
<pinS> you guys dont mind helping me do you?
<zenrox> pinS,  nope
<pinS> im alittle lost on the new OS
<Myrtti> pinS: that's what we're here to do
<pinS> ok :)
<zenrox> yep
<Myrtti> and get some help in our problems, if they exist
<zenrox> we came for help but stayed for frendships
<thoreauputic> pinS: this is a help channel :)
<pinS> Setting up linux-restricted-modules-686 (2.6.10-7) ...
<pinS> Setting up linux-686 (2.6.10-7) ...
<pinS> Errors were encountered while processing:
<pinS> eek!
<Myrtti> I sometimes feel like the token woman or mascot, because I really don't think I can help people that much
<zenrox> pinS,  open snyaptic
<siimo> personally id install my own kernel
<zenrox> and do a search for linux
<pinS> synaptic?
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: I think you underestimate yourself
<zenrox> ya
<pinS> ??
<crimsun> Myrtti: just help when you can, and that's sufficient.
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: it keeps me not feeling superiour and giving those RTFM answers
<pinS> wrong password!
<pinS> ouch!
<zenrox> i love RTFMing
<zenrox> pinS,  type in you user pass
<pinS> i typed the root one
<zenrox> dont
<pinS> thats what it wants
<zenrox> user pass
<pinS> dont? o_O
<zenrox> dont type the root
<Myrtti> synaptic tries to launch it self as sudo synaptic
<zenrox> it is gksudo front end to sudo
<Myrtti> and needs your password for it
<pinS> ok synaptic is up
<zenrox> just like that Myrtti
<pinS> i did search on linux
<zenrox> yep
<pinS> there's a list
<hayden> why is Music Player installed by default instead of xmms?
<zenrox> and look for linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
<crimsun> hayden: because Rhythmbox integrates with GNOME well.
<hayden> ok
<zenrox> also get the restrested modules of the same kernel  number
<hayden> do i need to install something extra to play mp3s with it?
<Myrtti> yes
<crimsun> hayden: gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
<hayden> ok thanks
<crimsun> hayden: please see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
<pinS> zenrox, just one of them
<pinS> the other is SMP
<Myrtti> I think I'll put a replaces-line on my irssi with wuo/RF
<zenrox> pins you sont need smp
<zenrox> sont=dont
<Myrtti> or wRF
<Myrtti> yeah, that would be better acronym for it...
<Quinn_Storm> hey, is there any way to clear up the authentication errors with marrilat?
<Fackamato> nn
<pinS> mark for removal or reinstallation?
<zenrox> pins get the restrected modules  too
<Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: just ignore them
<Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: okay, just wondering if there was a better answer
<zenrox> reinstallation
<Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: could be, but prolly not worth the hassle
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: thanks
<Myrtti> *applause*
<pinS> zenrox, should i remove 386
<pinS> mark it up
<pinS> modules
<crimsun> I don't even remember when I wrote those instructions
<zenrox> pinS, whate till your in the 686 one first
<crimsun> couple months ago?
<pinS> k
<zenrox> pinS,  you cant remover the one your using
<pinS> apply?
<pinS> got modules-686
<zenrox> yep
<zenrox> that will work
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: you're in good form today - must be the chocolate ! :)
<Quinn_Storm> okay now all I need to do is find the key for the blackdown releases, heh
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: look at the error and simply retrieve the ascii-armoured key manually then import, or ... Lotsa ways. :-)
<pinS> its done?
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: yes, but I feel sad for those kids that come here on Sunday, I've eaten their candies
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: found a site on it
<pinS> i didnt see it do anything
<pinS> i clicked apply, it wanted to download then poof
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: haha - oh dear! Taking candy from children! tut tut ;)
<pest> im audi like a saudi
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: there we go, that fixed it, the instructions are actually on the blackdown site ^-^
<Quinn_Storm> I like the auth system, just wish it were more integrated.  its a great addition to apt though
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: it _is_ integrated :-)
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: notice how all the repos for which you got auth errors are external and unsupported :-)
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: Finnish tradition of dressing up as easter witch, coming with willow twigs that are in bloom and with colourful paper glued in to them. They whisk the air in front of you, "hexing" good will, health and good crops for next year
<pinS> zenrox, i think they're installed already
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: and get candies, boiled eggs or money as a reward
<pinS> it didnt even download them
<Myrtti> kind of Halloween trick-or-treating
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: sounds a good tradition :)
<Myrtti> I guess I'll have to go and buy more candy...
<geneo91> pinS:  maybe its in apt cache
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: it may be integrated into ubuntu but not into apt quite tightly enough
<Myrtti> though I assume not that many kids end up here
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: you'll show us pictures of the wich outfit, I hope?
<pinS> E: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
<pinS> E: yelp:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
<thoreauputic> *witch
<Myrtti> I actually might have old pictures
<pinS> ??
<pinS> zenrox, done
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: I think you misunderstand: the authentication is part of apt itself.
<zenrox> pinS,  reboot in to newer kernel
<thoreauputic> pinS: do you have universe enabled?
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: that's one of the biggest advantages of the 0.6 branch of apt
<pinS> universe?
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: no I do understand, what I am saying is that the instructions for adding repositories & keys should be more clear thats all (and thats on the people who make apt not ubuntu or anything)
<pinS> lol, i dont know, what is it?
<pinS> how do i boot into the newer kernel?
<thoreauputic> pinS: go to synaptic >> settings >> repositories , and tick all the boxes
<Myrtti> reboot the whole machine
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: well, I certainly agree that it's worth of addition to README.Debian if not already present, but the act of adding keys for external, _un_supported repositories should be manual
<zenrox> pinS,  reboot pc  it will load newer kernel automatickly
<pinS> thoreauputic, tick all boxes?
<pinS> nothing there except for a list
<pinS> not checkboxes
<thoreauputic> pinS: that was for enabling universe :)
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: oh of course it should be manual, but the method should be made clear, perhaps in the error message, like "the repository couldn't be authenticated.  If you're sure its correct, here's how to get and add its key"
<pinS> under settings button you mean?
<thoreauputic> pinS: yes - might be different in hoary
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: I feel that's more the job of a README entry; please see the deity mailing list and/or the apt BTS entries on bugs.debian.org/apt
<crimsun> Quinn_Storm: filter for "experimental"
<pinS> thoreauputic, the sources and binaries?
<thoreauputic> pinS: settings >> repositories
<Quinn_Storm> crimsun: I'll look into that
<thoreauputic> pinS: yes, the sources can be useful when you know a bit more
<thoreauputic> pinS: the binaries are enough for most things though
<pinS> brb rebooting
<pinPoint> here we go
<pinS> back
<pinS> ok so now what
<pinS> ndiswrapper thing
<sic|> does anyone here use TeamSpeak and if so how did you get the headset working in ubuntu?
<pinS> zenrox, so that link was made
<pinS> ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version> /lib/modules/VERSION/build
<crimsun> sic|: did you answer my earliest question?
<crimsun> s/earliest/earlier/
<sic|> crimsun, I haven't tried it in a terminal
<sic|> crimsun don't know how
<thoreauputic> pinS: BTW - don't forget to hit the reload button in synaptic to update universe
<pinS> i rebooted already
<pinS> ouch it found so many errors
<thoreauputic> pinS: rebooting won't update your repositories :)
<pinS> i already did before reboot
<topyli> woke up this morning and X was dead
<thoreauputic> pinS: OK then
<topyli> should i start a-fixin' or go back to bed
<pinS> bed
<topyli> da-da-daa
<crimsun> sic|: use the left and right arrows to move between sliders; use 'm' to unmute; use the up and down arrows to adjust the slider levels; use the space bar to select; use F3/F4 to toggle between playback/capture views
<micmur> crimsun: you still here?
<pinS> bed sounds more delicious
<micmur> I need help when you can give it
<topyli> pinS: better than fiddling with X? you're weird :)
<crimsun> micmur: shoot.
<micmur> Well, I put the Soundblaster Live 24-bit card
<micmur> in
<micmur> And I'm trying to follow the instructions on the Alsa page
<micmur> But I think I'm lost
<pinS> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/arinda/downloads/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
<pinS> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build;
<crimsun> micmur: what have you done so far?
<pinS> i still need to link this stuff
<micmur> cd /usr/src
<micmur>         mkdir alsa
<micmur>         cd alsa
<pinS> i did all that stuff for nothing
<crimsun> micmur: /join #alsa
<crimsun> micmur: I'll walk you through it
<micmur> And I've downloaded the alsa-driver-1.0.8.tar.bz2 file
<micmur> k
<sic|> crimsun: problem is I don't know what command to invoke the command line mixer
<crimsun> sic|: ,,alsamixer''
<topyli> according to the log, X can't find mga_hal module. has this been broken in yesterdays upgrades or something?
<crimsun> topyli: ensure that the matrox module exists in the correct X11 dir
<topyli> crimsun: hmm. where should it be?
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: as I have a matrox card, I know that mga_hal is part of the matrox closed-source driver, and it shouldn't be there normally unless you've installed this driver
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: so its normal for x not to find it
<pinS> hey, ahh look at my errros http://rafb.net/paste/results/juOeqY93.html
<crimsun> topyli: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ if I remember correctly
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: i haven't. i haven't needed the proprietary drivers for  quite some time
<crimsun> topyli: or ../drivers/
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: okay then, mga_hal should not be there, and it should show the no mga_hall error, just as mine does
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: mga_hal is not there, i don't even want it
<thoreauputic> pinS: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<topyli> crimsun: not there
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: exactly.
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/easter.html
<crimsun> topyli: and shouldn't be unless you installed it
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: you don't need to worry about the error saying it isn't there
<thoreauputic> pinS: it can't find a compiler - (gcc)
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: looking now :)
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: but X refuses to start. there must be another reason then
<sic|> crimsun: no different...and I need sleep...gnite and thanks for the help
<crimsun> pinS: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<crimsun> sic|: np
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: yeah, not sure what the reason is but it isn't mga_hal
<crimsun> sic|: check back tomorrow afternoon/evening
<pinS> k
<net01> i just install ubuntu... why i cant read from floppy ?
<sic|> crimsun, ok thanks....makes me cringe that windows uses this sound card more effectively...nite
<pinS> damn
<pinS> more errors
<net01> can any 1 help ?
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: crimsun: there's another error. given depth (1) not supported by this driver. hmm. 1 is not quite the depth i'm after :)
<pinS> i think something to do with mirrors
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: ah - nice: but boy, looks cold for Easter :)
<crimsun> topyli: looks like you need to check your X Window System conffile
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: check your file, look for DefaultDepth, make sure it says 24 (assuming you want full truecolor)
<maven_> hi
<maven_> does someone on?
<crimsun> net01: lsmod|grep ^floppy
<pinS> http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Ox9N225.html
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: spring comes in May Day in here, you should've seen the snowing yesterday
<maven_> i want to upgrade my ubuntu,but the site is too slow,does some site on china?
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: yeah, Finland... of course. Here it only ever snows in the mountains
<pinS> firefox is really causing some nasty errors all over
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: i'll check. could the upgrades change the file? there's no backup
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: not sure, they shouldn't have changed it
<topyli> i need a smoke
<maven_> topyli:i like smoke too
<crimsun> maven_: try us.archive.ubuntu.com, then
<maven_> topyli:which brand ?
<maven_> thanks for crimsun
<topyli> maven_: roll-your-owns. pall mall mostly
<pinS> *** WARNING:  Kernel is compiled with 4K stack size option (CONFIG_4KSTACKS); many Windows drivers will not work with this option enabled. Disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS option, recompile and install kernel
<pinS> what!!!???? o_O
<crimsun> maven_: bu shei
<net01> tried the lsmod|grep ^floppy ... it said floppy       54996  0
<net01> but still can't read
<Myrtti> aaahhh, I should do my Cisco module quiz today
<crimsun> net01: is the floppy diskette inserted and mounted?
<Myrtti> dammit
<net01> when i try to mount ... it said unable to mount ... detail : could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: default depth is indeed 1. very strange. let's see
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: well, change it to 24, that should fix it up for you...that is very strange indeed
<maven_> ?
<crimsun> maven_: (no need to thank me)
<pinS> modprobe ndiswrapper
<pinS> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: it works! thanks. i'd count that as a bug
<crimsun> pinS: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
<memcmememe> greetings Ubuntu users
<pinS> o_O
<memcmememe> I have an announcement to make
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: yeah, I didn't hit it myself but that sounds like a bug
<pinS> youre joking right
<net01> the floppy i try to read created with windows
<crimsun> pinS: paste the output from that command.
<thoreauputic> pinS: copy paste it :)
<memcmememe> jk
<Quinn_Storm> pinS: actually that command looks valid to me
<memcmememe> seriously though, I am a longtime windows user who is fed up
<memcmememe> will ubuntu be able to replace xp
<crimsun> net01: on Hoary?
<memcmememe> I cannot stand having this bastard crash whenever I bloody get online from a wi fi spot
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: i downgraded x first thing. let me upgrade again and see if it changes the file again
<maven_> does someone use oracle on ubuntu
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: ok
<net01> warty warthog
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: Be able to replace XP?  Depends upon what you want it to do.
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: probably depends on whether your wifi is well supported in linux
<memcmememe> I want to be able to do word processing, edit text documents, basic xul development, and play my music, and surf the web and irc
<crimsun> net01: sudo mount /dev/fd0
<memcmememe> thats it
<pinS> crimsun, i know this is funny but xchat wont copy
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: Welcome home. :-)
<Myrtti> memcmememe: can be done, but is fully dependable on what thoreauputic said
<crimsun> pinS: highlight and select with the primary button, then paste with the middle
<net01> it said : mount: you must specify the filesystem type ... how to specify filesystem ?
<pinS> nope
<pinS> not going
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: experiment failed. now it didn't update xorg.conf because "file has been customized", ie. i just edited it :)
<memcmememe> sweet
<pinS> 2.6.10-28
<pinS> there
<memcmememe> I am downloading it now
<memcmememe> on my other box
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: heh, well at least your X should work
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: do you know your hardware well? check it for compatibility
<memcmememe> where is the list?
<net01> i tried : sudo mount /dev/fd0
<memcmememe> Its a sempron 2800 plus with an asus board
<net01> it said : mount: you must specify the filesystem type ... how to specify filesystem ?
<maven_> topyli : roll-your-owns
<thoreauputic> net01: try  mount -t vfat /dev/fd0
<memcmememe> pretty basic configuration
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: gdm won't work though. "initscript failed" :(
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: that sucks...try reinstalling gdm...dpkg --purge --force-all gdm and then apt-get install gdm
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: and the wifi card?
<memcmememe> not puting it on the notebook yet
<memcmememe> I always test os's on this old sempron
<pinS> Quinn_Storm, 2.6.10-28
<crimsun> pinS: and you're getting an invalid format error? what does dmesg|tail tell you?
<crimsun> net01: -t vfat
<pinS> ndiswrapper: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
<pinS> ndiswrapper: version magic '2.6.10-4 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10-5-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3'
<hayden> how can i install gcursors (to get the ubuntu cursors back)
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: that worked, thanks again. this morning is not so bad after all :)
<thoreauputic> hayden: sudo apt-get install gcursors
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: hehe, yeah, well it wasn't a big deal to me, glad I could help
<crimsun> pinS: huh?  uname -r, please
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: quitting irssi, i'll be back from flashy $X_APPLICATION
<memcmememe> I heard about a program called KDE can you run that in Ubuntu?
<crimsun> memcmememe: Kubuntu
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: I'm running it right now.
<pinS> 2.6.10-5-686
<maven_> what?
<maven_> bu shei????
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: KDE isn't a program as such, it's a desktop environment.
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: it's a desktop environment
<crimsun> maven_: (loosely, no need to thank me)
<memcmememe> where can I find Kubuntu?
<^KrOmE^> Does kubuntu look as clean as the gnome release?
<hayden> thoreauputic, cant find cursors, i've done apt-get update and have universe sources listed
<DarthFrog> ^KrOmE^: Only you can judge that.  I like KDE.
<maven_> crimsun: where are you from?
<crimsun> maven_: USA.
<hayden> gcursors*
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: install the kde-desktop.
<Quinn_Storm> ^KrOmE^: I have to agree with DarthFrog on that one...I liek kde and the kubuntu art seems quite nice
<thoreauputic> hayden: what does apt-cache search gcursors say?
<^KrOmE^> Darth, I prefer KDE, but have left Ubuntu as standard
<topyli> ahh. eye candy
<hayden> nothin
<thoreauputic> hayden: on hoary, right?
<^KrOmE^> Have they cleaned it up, removed all the superfluous crud?
<memcmememe> to do that do I download kde
<net01> tried -t vfat ... it's open usage help...
<geneo93> crimsun:  where abouts
<hayden> yea
<memcmememe> or can I use ubuntu to get it
<DarthFrog> ^KrOmE^: KDE 3.4 is really, really nice.
<memcmememe> I am confused
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: hehe, welcome back to the graphical world, fellow matrox user.  btw, is your composite/translucency as slow as mine? (I turned it off, too slow to use)
<crimsun> geneo93: NC.
<^KrOmE^> Sweet
<memcmememe> I heard there was a technology called application getter ro something
<geneo93> ahh cool ohio here
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: you use the package manager (synaptic)
<crimsun> net01: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
<maven_> crimsun_:AMerican???
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: i have never thought about composite. is it enabled on hoary xorg by default?
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: Install Ubuntu.  The default desktop environment there is Gnome.  Try it for a while before thinking about KDE.  You might find you prefer Gnome.
<crimsun> maven_: Chinese-American
<maven_> chinese?
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: I think you may have to enable it seperately...I don't remember, lol, I started with slackware so I'm always mucking with the config files...so I don't know if I added that or not
<Riddell> Kubuntu screenshots http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=286&slide=1
<geneo93> crimsun:  i'm just a mutt
<crimsun> man, I was just going to pull up Riddell's link
<pinS> whenever you're ready, uname -r returned 2.6.10-5-686
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: Have a look at the Kubuntu screenshots.  That's KDE on Ubuntu.
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: i never thought matrox users would go for translucency. aren't we supposed to be boring people? =)
<crimsun> pinS: apparently your ndiswrapper kernel module was compiled against another set of kernel headers
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: lol, well I'm just a using-what-I-have person
<maven_> so glad to meet you
<topyli> hehe
<crimsun> pinS: and that set doesn't match what you're running
<crimsun> maven_: same
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  have you had problems with kong crashing systen when browsing local files
<pinS> geesh!
<pinS> so now what
<pinS> man man man!
<maven_> have your back to chinese recently?
<DarthFrog> geneo93: Nope. But I haven't done much of that.  I tend to spend most of my time at the command line for that kind of stuff.
<maven_> CHINA
<crimsun> maven_: no. Hopefully within 10 years.
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  i have some other systems mounted
<net01> ok got it ... emm ... how to unmout it ?
<maven_> crimsun_:I c,welcome you back
<crimsun> net01: sudo umount /mnt
<DarthFrog> geneo93: Should make no difference.
<geneo93> net01:  umount
<maven_> welcome u back
<DarthFrog> geneo93: Why do you think it matters?
<gerardo> hey guy
<pinS> so im screwed for now
<gerardo> what is the password of root?
<geneo93> i dunno i have lots of files to copy over from them
<DarthFrog> gerardo: There isn't one and you don't need one.
<crimsun> pinS: ls /usr/src|grep $(uname -r)
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  i have 4 diff distros on here
<pinS> crimsun, nothing happened
<gerardo> DarthFrog, what?
<gerardo> i was installed ubuntu system
<thoreauputic> gerardo: use `sudo <yourcommandhere>` and your user passwd
<DarthFrog> gerardo: The first user for whom you made an account has sudo rights, using that password.
<gerardo> so, in ubuntu root it's not usualy?
<thoreauputic> gerardo: sudo is used instead
<crimsun> pinS: no wonder it's failing then.  The correct kernel headers are not installed.
<pinS> o_O
<crimsun> pinS: you have a working Internet connection, correct?
<pinS> yes
<pinS> im on it right now ;)
<crimsun> pinS: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<net01> thank ... u'all been great help .... gonna see what this baby can do ...
<thoreauputic> crimsun: I think he installed headers before upgrading the kernel
<crimsun> thoreauputic: ah...
<maven_> crimsun_:what's your job?
<memcmememe> my monitor has windows drivers
<crimsun> maven_: I'm a professor
<memcmememe> will I be able to configure it in Linux
<memcmememe> if its not running at 85hz it get really bitchy
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: most likely it will be configured automatically
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  not if its home built
<pinS> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/SyAIsM14.html
<pinS> very nasty
<DyGyTyL> greetings fellow ubuntu users..:D
<maven_> good job
<thoreauputic> geneo93: home-built monitor? are you serious?
<maven_> which university
<crimsun> pinS: please put your /etc/apt/sources.list onto rafb.net
<crimsun> maven_: ncat.edu
<Quinn_Storm> my monitor is a bargain bin reject that doesn't do above 1024x768@60...but it only cost me $30+shipping
<geneo93> j/k thoreauputic
<maven_> i want to study on USA
<thoreauputic> geneo93: :)
<pinS> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/EDPHl413.html
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i was thinking back in the day of heath kits
<gardion> anyone know why the media frameworks is esd instead of something like alsa?
<gardion> at least alsa doesn't seem to work as well for me.
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i'm an old timer
<crimsun> pinS: comment out lines 9 and 10, then sudo apt-get update
<thoreauputic> geneo93: heh - well then he could config everything with patch cords and use punch cards to program his box ;-)
<memcmememe> awesome
<gerardo> i don't can't logging with root?
<crimsun> gerardo: use your normal account
<maven_> crimsun_:I want to study for you
<geneo93> tabulator cards you speak of
<thoreauputic> gerardo: sudo -s
<pinS> crimsun, done
<thoreauputic> gerardo: with your user password
<pinS> run that install again?
<hayden> anyone know of a mac like dock (object dock in windows)?
<gerardo> ok, but is imposible logging with user thoreauputic ?
<crimsun> pinS: sure.
<gerardo> with root*
<geneo93> wonder what punches it would take for sudo
<pinS> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
<thoreauputic> gerardo: you should *not* ever log in to gnome as root
<DarthFrog> gerardo: www.ubuntuguide.org
<maven_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
<gerardo> oks
<gerardo> brb
<crimsun> pinS: good. now, ls /usr/src|grep $(uname -r)
<maven_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
<maven_> that's enough
<pinS> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686
<maven_> what's your name mean?
<crimsun> pinS: ok. and, dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3} '
<pinS> wow
<pinS> you write this yourself
<pinS> thats scary
<crimsun> it won't be long before you will be doing similarly
<pinS> 2.6.10.3-8
<thoreauputic> that's another update needed
<crimsun> pinS: modinfo ndiswrapper|grep ^vermagic
<pinS> vermagic:       2.6.10-4 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3
<crimsun> pinS: did you compile ndiswrapper from source yourself?
<pinS> yeah, just did make and make install thats it
<crimsun> pinS: ack, that's what did it
<pinS> got the code of sourceforge
<geneo93> hmmm
<pinS> ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
<crimsun> pinS: sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
<pinS> k
<maven_> exit
<hayden> how can i tell if 3d games will work with the video drivers installed by ubuntu?
<DarthFrog> By trying them?
<pinS> done. :)
<geneo93> hehe
<DarthFrog> Or running "glxinfo | less" and seeing if Direct Rendering is enabled.
<memcmememe> is anyone here from outside NA?
<geneo93> whats NA
<DarthFrog> North America.  :-)
<crimsun> pinS: now, modinfo ndiswrapper|grep ^vermagic
<thoreauputic> hayden: if you run `glxgears` in a terminal, you'll get some idea of your fps ( but that's just a test)
<hayden> ok
<geneo93> well ofcourse silly
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: lots of us
<hayden> 145fps?
<DyGyTyL> semi-new to ubuntu in general, but was wondering if these files in /etc/apt are part of the 5.04 release? in 4.10 i used to only have my sources.list in there..i presume these extra files are for the new ubuntu update manager software?
<mjr> hayden, sounds like software rendering, but see that glxinfo
<hayden> it said direct rendering was enabled?
<crimsun> DyGyTyL: the new apt version (from 0.6 branch) has authentication of packages
<geneo93> wow thats slow
<DarthFrog> hayden: What video card?
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: the US is just an insignificant little country plonked between asia and europe  ;-)
<crimsun> DyGyTyL: yes, those extra conffiles are part of apt
<pinS> vermagic:       2.6.10-4 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3
<hayden> ati radeon 320m igp
<pinS> SMP means?
<DyGyTyL> oh that explains the word "trust" in there, thanks..:D
<hayden> integrated, uses some ram for vram
<DarthFrog> hayden: Don't know that card but 145 fps is dog-slow.
<crimsun> pinS: hmph, it didn't reinstall the correct ndiswrapper, so you'll have to compile it from ndiswrapper-source; sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-source
<DarthFrog> pinS: Symmetric Multi-Processing
<omniscient> i get 180fps on my laptop
<geneo93> pinS:  more than one proc
<hayden> DarthFrog, it is integrated graphics
<mjr> basically anything newer than radeon 9250 from ATI needs proprietary drivers for 3d
<mjr> (thanks, ati)
<Quinn_Storm> I get ~400 on my ancient matrox g450 so...
<DarthFrog> hayden: You won't be happy playing 3D games.
<hayden> i know
<pinS> i have one proc
<pinS> its my lappy
<crimsun> pinS: then please read /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/README.Debian
<hayden> won't be playing games like ut2k4
<DarthFrog> hayden: Frozen Bubble is a great game, though.  Very addictive.
<Myrtti> very addictive
<Myrtti> and tuxracer
<DyGyTyL> i got this cedega that supposedly runs games even world of warcraft, but it wouldn't work with my mtg apprentice..haven't tested anything else yet
<geneo93> 4903 frames in 5.0 seconds = 980.600 FPS
<memcmememe> LOL
<memcmememe> I am in the USA right now actually
<geneo93> so am i
<memcmememe> but I am in the most liberal city in the country so sometimes I feel more like I am in Denmark than the USA
<DyGyTyL> seattle?:P
<memcmememe> Portland
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: of course, the French *know* that the centre of the known universe is Paris ;)
<memcmememe> where are you DyGyTyL
<mjr> WoW actually runs in the free Wine too nowadays (at least patched; I don't know if the relevant pbuffer patches made it into the main tree yet, but I think so)
<Rattboi> memcmememe, I got friends in Portland
<memcmememe> sweet
<DyGyTyL> just north of you in seattle, the sea's in your IP were throwing me off i guess:P
<Rattboi> I lived there when I was 3
<memcmememe> LOL
<memcmememe> yeah
<memcmememe> I use Verizon
<memcmememe> and their big hub is Seattle for the entire west coast
<memcmememe> I got SEA even when I was in Sacremento
<memcmememe> LOL
<cowbud> memcmememe: yah so liberal 36 passed
<memcmememe> Not in Portland it didn't
<memcmememe> thats because I live in a Red neck state
<memcmememe> but Portland voted tremendiously against it
<matt_> Hi
<memcmememe> hi Matt_
<matt_> How do you uninstall umbunto
<DyGyTyL> why would u wanna do that :(
<topyli> matt_: install cd, boot, press enter a few times
<DarthFrog> matt_: cd / && rm -rf *
<memcmememe> <cowbud> 36 was a tragedy, an apalling tragedy.  But hey, atleast we can elect a governor :)
<matt_> It wont let me have sound
<Myrtti> DarthFrog: you should be spanked for that answer
<memcmememe> in less than 3 tries that is :)
<topyli> DarthFrog: that's not funny
<Myrtti> do death
<pinS> crimsun, i used "module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper
<pinS> thats it?
<pinS> im done
<matt_> itr wont boot from the cd
<Myrtti> s/do/to
* DarthFrog hangs his head in shame, grinning mischeviously.
<topyli> DarthFrog: one day you'll type that into the wrong terminal, and poetic justice will prevail :)
<crimsun> pinS: if it works, yes. I apologise, but I need to get going since I have class in a few hours.
<DarthFrog> topyli: Been there, done that. :-)
<pinS> alright
<pinS> thank you for your help
<pinS> much appreciated
<Myrtti> DarthFrog: then you should know better
<cowbud> memcmememe: hah ;)
<matt_> so how can i reformat an entire drive
<crimsun> pinS: np, g'luck.
<matt_> with umbuntu
<DarthFrog> Myrtti: he asked how to uninstall Ubuntu. That will most definitely uninstall Ubuntu.
<topyli> matt_: you'll have to fix the boot sequence in the bios. it's probably set to boot from the hard disk first
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: I've seen people innocently follow advice like that - it was rather horrible
<Myrtti> DarthFrog: sure, in a wrong way
<matt_> This bios blows tho
<topyli> matt_: arrgh. you're UNinstalling? sorry
<matt_> its an abm from 1991
<matt_> ibm
<thoreauputic> matt_: 1991 ? You have a passion for archaeology?
<DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Hey, will it not uninstall Ubuntu?  Wasn't that his goal?
<topyli> matt_: will you be installing windows in stead? you can do it all in the windows installer
<memcmememe> I took 6 hours of ARCH my Freshman year
<matt_> it was 50 bucks
<matt_> so how do i wipe m entire system driver
<pinS> help
<pinS> modprobe ndiswrapper
<pinS> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
<Myrtti> DarthFrog: there is a way of doing things the _right_ way and the _wrong_ way
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: of course - but other people sometimes typ stuff to see what it does, and *poof*
<matt_> i wanna keep umbuntu
<matt_> i just want to reformat
<Myrtti> Ubuntu's supposed to be the humane Linux distro, so we're supposed to give the _humane_, _right_ answers
<memcmememe> cheers
<Amaranth> hey, any hoary users need a menu editor? :)
<topyli> matt_: then just reinstall. but why would you reinstall? you'll end up with the same system :)
* Amaranth spams http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor.png
<Amaranth> :D
<topyli> matt_: try and fix the current installation instead
<DyGyTyL> i'm having trouble with 5.04 and thinking of going back to 4.10 :\
<DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Umm, that would be a rather foolish thing to do, when the question was "How do I uninstall Ubuntu?".  If they blindly followed my suggestion, well, they shouldn't be surprised that they don't have an Ubuntu installation anymore.
<matt_> i want to reformat the whole drive and it wont boot from cd
<Myrtti> ffs
<optika> DyGyTyL: downgrading isn't a whole load of fun
<DarthFrog> matt_: You want to blow away everything on that drive?
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: hmm - well you just broke one of the oldest IRC taboos in existence, anyway
<matt_> yep
<DarthFrog> thoreauputic: What taboo is that?
<topyli> Amaranth: that's pretty. does it work too?
<Myrtti> giving newbies lame advice
<DyGyTyL> i was wondering if anyone else had issues with the new ubuntu upgrade manager and running apt-get updates/upgrades somehow my packages got nerfed
<DarthFrog> matt_: How many partitions are on that drive?
<Amaranth> topyli: It can edit current entries and add new ones. I don't have deleting working yet.
<matt_> 1
<Myrtti> DyGyTyL: can happen if you use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
<DarthFrog> Myrtti: I suppose I was guilty of that. :-)
<memcmememe> anyone here from the PacNW?
<DarthFrog> matt_: And what do you want to do with that drive afterwards?
<memcmememe> PM me if you are
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: I'm in BC.
<Amaranth> topyli: Not bad for 2 days of coding, eh?
<topyli> Amaranth: are you aware of the competition? there's another editor too, you should join forces
<matt_> make it 2 partitions and have an xp/umbutu dual boot setup
<Amaranth> topyli: you mean the one in GNOME CVS?
<memcmememe> <DarthFrog Victoria area or Vancouver?
<Myrtti> DarthFrog: in a channel full of newbies, one should try to keep the lame advice as their own knowledge. Newbies tend to try every advice given, so lame ones can cause serious amount of troubles
<topyli> Amaranth: no, i found it on the ubuntu forums. somebody's unofficial python experiment
<Myrtti> and bork their systems BAR
<matt_> Its the umbuntu help channel k thx
<Amaranth> topyli: Oh, I saw that. It doesn't work.
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: well put
<DarthFrog> matt_: Use cfdisk to delete the Ubuntu partition and create a partition for XP, reboot, install XP in the new partition, then install Ubuntu.
<DarthFrog> memcmememe: Vancouver.
<Amaranth> topyli: Mine started as an extension of that one, actually. Then I more or less rewrote it completely.
<matt_> how do i use cfdisk
<topyli> Amaranth: ok. i haven't tried it. you have a .deb so i'm going to try it :)
<memcmememe> i was up there last week dude, I love Vancouver but I hate air canada Jazz
<DarthFrog> matt_: Run it from a command line session.
<Amaranth> hehe
<matt_> Could you tell me the syntax please
<Amaranth> after you install it it'll show up in the system tools menu (if you logout and back in) or you can run menu-editor from a terminal
<matt_> And will ubuntu let me delete the partition its running on
<DarthFrog> matt_: the syntax is "cfdisk <drive>"
<Amaranth> topyli: you need to use gksudo or sudo to be able to edit the global menus, just running menu-editor will only edit your local ones
<matt_> Whats the name of the system drive
<DarthFrog> matt_: the syntax is "cfdisk (drive)"
<ficusplanet> Amaranth, You can just run "killall gnome-panel" to reload the menus.
<DarthFrog> Bloody kopete not letting me use angle brackets.
<Amaranth> ficusplanet: Yeah, that's what I do.
<DarthFrog> matt_: Once cfdisk is running, you'll be able to figure it out.
<matt_> great thanks
<Quinn_Storm> ficusplanet, Amaranth : actually killall -SIGUSR1 works better, makes gnome-panel reload without dying
<matt_> ill probably be back
<DarthFrog> matt_: Beware though, cfdisk is very powerfull.
<Amaranth> ficusplanet: Well, with the force quit panel button. But it makes GAIM quit and makes the rhythmbox notification area icon not work.
<ficusplanet> Amaranth, Oh, never noticed that.  I don't use Gaim or rhythmbox.
* DarthFrog suggests that any newbies here forget they ever heard about "cd / && rm -rf". :-)  If you were to actually do that, as root, you would delete every file on your system.  If you were to do it as a non-privileged user (which you should be running as!), nothing would happen.
<Myrtti> and mentioning that command is everytime as bad as possible
<topyli> Amaranth: on starting menu-editor, not a single error in the terminal. something's not right ;)
<Myrtti> you should forget it too, DarthFrog, atleast on this channel
<Amaranth> topyli: I supress errors. :)
<topyli> heh
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: he was trying to redeem himself :) I guess he gets points for effort ;)
<DarthFrog> Myrtti: knowledge is good.
<pinS> bbl
* pinPoint sleep, later
<[Chameleon] > I just booted the Ubuntu Gnome 2.10 LiveCD and the screensaver is password protected.
<optika> argh. kernel package won't install properly because it can't configure the package properly. It says that it can't detect what SCSI module I'm using. Where do I go from here (trying to install linux-image-2.6.10-5-386)
* [Chameleon]  tried "password", "ubuntu" and one or two others to no avail.
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: yes, but repeating it just makes newbies remember that all the better ;-)
<[Chameleon] > anybody know what the screensaver password is on the Ubuntu Gnome 2.10 LiveCD??
<Quinn_Storm> [Chameleon] : this may be dumb of me, but have you tried a blank password?
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: I agree that knowledge is good - maybe IRC isn't a very good medium for transmitting that kind of knowledge
<DarthFrog> thoreauputic: I rather gather that you and Myrtti are in agreement with that.
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: if you were looking over someone's shoulder, maybe
<matt_> Uh..
<matt_> So what command line do I type that at?
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: OK - we'll drop it now that you've been flamed thoroughly ;-)
<[Chameleon] > Quinn_Storm: yes, I did
<DarthFrog> LOL
<Quinn_Storm> [Chameleon] : sorry then, I can't help
<DarthFrog> matt_: You have to be in a root shell.
<Amaranth> topyli: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
<DarthFrog> matt_: It's a system administration task, so you have to be root to do it.
<matt_> How do I access the root shell
<Amaranth> [Chameleon] : ubuntu
<topyli> Amaranth: my menu entry didn't show up in the menu. perhaps only in the next session?
* DarthFrog douses his smoldering underpants.
<[Chameleon] > Amaranth: as I said, I tried that.
<Amaranth> topyli: Same as all the other menu entries, you need to restart the panel.
* thoreauputic hands DarthFrog some lotion and ice
<DarthFrog> matt_: One of the menu options should be to run a root terminal.
<matt_> And when I type cfdisk <disk> what do I put for <disk> cause ive tried c: and #c and astuff
<Amaranth> topyli: It's a bitch, I know. Nothing I can do about it.
<topyli> yeah
<geneo93> [Chameleon] :  have you tried the reset button
<[Chameleon] > geneo93: LOL... well, no... I was hoping to avoid that.
<jsgotangco> wow
<DarthFrog> matt_: You know you don't even have to do that.  Just install XP, let it blow away the current partition and let it make its partition of the size you want.  But install XP before Linux.
<jsgotangco> now this is fullscreen
<jsgotangco> hehehe
* jsgotangco now using ratpoision
<matt_> i cant install xps
<jsgotangco> it feels unnatural
<matt_> umbuntu wont let it run
<[Chameleon] > geneo93: anyway, MEPIS is downloading very quickly, so I'll probably just try that if I have to reboot. I'm trying to recover my Pastor's laptop HD data before he sends it back to Dell for repair.
<matt_> just tell me how to cfdisk the system drive
<DarthFrog> matt_: Can't you boot from CD?
<geneo93> [Chameleon] :  just make sure you set the screensaver to a safe level after
<matt_> no
<matt_> thats the problem
<DarthFrog> matt_: then how were you going to install XP?
<matt_> it wont even reinstall umbumtu from the cd
<[Chameleon] > geneo93: I'll probably just burn MEPIS over this CD-RW.
<memcmememe> guys
<matt_> cause it reads the cd
<memcmememe> I am leaving now to install ubuntu
<matt_> but it doesnt autorun it
<memcmememe> I will be back on shortly
<memcmememe> I hope
<memcmememe> wish me luck
<optika> hi all, when trying to install a new kernel package, configuring it fails because mkinitrd "Cannot determine SCSI module". Any suggestions?
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: welcome to the world of open source :)
<optika> I have a SATA system, so there is some scsi-esque stuff going on.
<thoreauputic> memcmememe: good luck!
<memcmememe> thanks
<memcmememe> disk inserted
<memcmememe> good bye
<DarthFrog> matt_: Well, I don't understand why you can't boot XP from CD.  And I'm a bit concerned that if you do manage to blow away your Ubuntu partition that you will have a useless computer if you can't boot from CD.
<DarthFrog> matt_: using cfdisk won't remove grub from the MBR and will still try to boot Ubuntu.  But Ubuntu won't be there anymore.
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  cant he put an entry in for cdrom in grub
<DarthFrog> geneo93: If the CD is in the drive, it should boot before grub runs.  If it doesn't, well, why not?
<DyGyTyL> either bios settings or his master boot record i would think
<Quinn_Storm> mbr wouldn't mess up cd boot
<geneo93> well its safer that way just in case
<DarthFrog> geneo93: And what would the entry be in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
<geneo93> mine would be hdc
<geneo93> oh that lilo i use
<DarthFrog> yeah, that's the drive.  Now, what's the root & kernel options?
<rapha> DarthFrog: you can boot Windows, also XP, from CD. Just takes a little work, but it's possible.
<Quinn_Storm> shouldn't take any work if its a real non-pirated copy :-P
<DyGyTyL> i know when there was a time back around debian 2.0 when i was afraid and wanted to go back to windows debian was still in control of bootup until i did a fdisk /MBR before i could get anywhere
<DarthFrog> rapha: But that's the point.  He couldn't boot from CD, for some reason.  Yet, he managed to install Ubunutu, presumably from CD.
<rapha> Quinn_Storm: DarthFrog: Oh sorry then, I thought you were talking about a Windows live CD
<rapha> But in that case it may very well have been through a GRUB menu. And you can also start Linux installations from within DOS or Windows.
<Mannemarak> Hi all
<DarthFrog> rapha: True.  But he wanted to blow away his Ubuntu installation, taking up the whole disk, then re-install XP and Ubuntu.
<DarthFrog> rapha: So he could have just booted from the XP CD and done his partitioning there.
<Amaranth> topyli: So, what do you think?
<DarthFrog> rapha: Except he said he couldn't boot from CD.
<topyli> Amaranth: so far i think there's no LyX entry in my menu :(
<Myrtti> oh the time... soon my Cisco class starts...
<rapha> DarthFrog: I agree only in part. XP can't create partitions of type 82 or 83. But then, you can change the types lateron.
<Myrtti> pain and misery awaits
<topyli> which is what i made, first as root, then tried again as topyli
<rapha> DarthFrog: And what did he do now?
<geneo93> how could you install xp on a vintage 1991 ibm box anyway
<Amaranth> topyli: Did you restart gnome-panel? (kill it)
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: pkill -10 gnome-panel
<DarthFrog> rapha: If he can install XP first, the installation of Ubuntu in the unpartitioned space later on will fix all problems.
<topyli> Amaranth: yes. i also started another X session to see if it would show there but no
<rapha> Agreed
<DarthFrog> rapha: He's off to try cfdisk to blow away his Ubuntu partition.
<rapha> Oh
<Amaranth> topyli: You named it LyX?
<rapha> Well, shouldn't have a problem there :)
<topyli> Amaranth: it shows in the menu editor it self. yes, LyX
<Amaranth> topyli: Can you email /usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop to alleykat@gmail.com ?
<DarthFrog> rapha: if he can figure out how to get a root terminal. :-)
<rapha> Lol
<asaf> how can i play APE file in ubuntu (hoary)??
<topyli> Amaranth: let me find it
<rapha> geneo93: Did they tell you about `sudo su` yet?
<geneo93> rapha:  i dont use it
<rapha> Erm
<rapha> Why not?
<geneo93> used to su
<johnnybezak> hey guys general question relating to x: is x fast enough over a lan (with ethernet) to run fps games?
<topyli> Amaranth: one lyx.desktop coming up!
<DarthFrog> johnnybezak: No.
<rapha> Got GigaBit ethernet, johnnybezak?
<johnnybezak> rapha: don't know
<DarthFrog> Not even with gig ethernet.
<rapha> geneo93: Stop. You can't ask for help and then not accept the help offerings because you're not "used to using that".
<Memcmeme> I am installing Ubuntu
<johnnybezak> DarthFrog: ok cool thanks man
<Memcmeme> I am nmy other system now
<gabb> Hey guys, can I tell ubuntu to install XFCE instead if Gnome during install ?
<DarthFrog> johnnybezak: If you had it, you'd know.
<Memcmeme> I am confused though
<Memcmeme> is this OS legal?
<rapha> johnnybezak: Well, if you don't know you probably have megabit ethernet, not gigabit.
<johnnybezak> DarthFrog: k
<Memcmeme> it didn't have a copyright notice of any kind
<rapha> Doom I might work.
<topyli> Memcmeme: lol. it's free, you can do what you want
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme: hehe - this is open source, dude
<DarthFrog> rapha: But Doom 1 isn't a 3d game. :-)
<rapha> Although I doubt it, because that still needs 25 pictures a second.
<Memcmeme> Is it legal?
<DarthFrog> Tho' it is a FPS.
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme: free as in speech
<rapha> DarthFrog: How is Doom 1 not a 3D game?
<Memcmeme> I am not judging anyone, I just want to know that I am not breaking the law using it
<gabb> lol
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  that depends where you live
<topyli> Memcmeme: as far as it is legal to write code and give your own code for other people to use and develop
<gabb> No, you are not Memcmeme. You should read up on GPL and alike licenses used.
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
<kalis> Memcmeme, you are probably breaking murphys law using it ;)
<DarthFrog> Is it?  I forgot.  I though Quake was the first one in that genre.  Hmm, no, Wolfie was 3d.
<Memcmeme> OK sweet
<Memcmeme> good
<rapha> Memcmeme: Well, the standard Ubuntu installation is most definately legal.
<thoreauputic> geneo93: OK - point taken :)
<Memcmeme> its installing hella quick
<gabb> Soooo guys: how to specifiy XFCE as my WM instead of gnome during install ??
<gabb> I don't want the bloated gnome at all.
<DarthFrog> rapha: You could probably do Doom1 over ethernet.
<rapha> Memcmeme: But you can get some software from third-party repositories that is at best controversial. And that's why they didn't include it.
<johnnybezak> gabb: why not wait for the install to finish
<topyli> DarthFrog: wolfenstein was even called wofenstine 3d
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme: read that link to gnu.org :)
<johnnybezak> gabb: then you don't have to use it
<Memcmeme> ok
<johnnybezak> gabb: if it takes up too much hdd
<rapha> DarthFrog: would be fun to set up some fat boxen that serves some ten copies of it to a couple of thin clients :)
<jsgotangco> gnome isnt THAT bloated
<johnnybezak> gabb: then remove it once you've finsihed install
<DarthFrog> gabb: Do  a server install, then add XfCE in afterwards.
<Amaranth> topyli: Did you send it?
<topyli> yes
<rapha> jsgotangco: What makes you think Gnome was bloated at all?
<gabb> Ah, that's it - thanks DarthFrog.
<Memcmeme> so my gloss of this so far is that the idea here is to have a system that is created by a community thats only restriction is that you cannot restrict use?
<DarthFrog> rapha: with todays hardware acceleration, it would be ... fast. :-)
<jsgotangco> I wasn't the one who said it was bloated
<geneo93> hey you guys remember when SCO wanted money for us to use linux
<topyli> Amaranth: doesn't show in your inbox?
<rapha> jsgotangco: Oh, my apologies then.
<Amaranth> topyli: nope. alleykat@gmail.com, right?
<jsgotangco> gabb I don't want the bloated gnome at all.
<gabb> ?
<rapha> geneo93: SCO? Who's that? Never heard of 'em...
<DarthFrog> Memcmeme: Have you read the Ubuntu manifesto?
<Memcmeme> nope
<jsgotangco> i'll bbl
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme: if you redistribute, you must do it under the GPL license - which ensures evryone can use it freely
<topyli> Amaranth: yes. sent 08:36 UTC
<geneo93> SCO is the one who owns unix
<DarthFrog> Memcmeme: Go to http://www.ubuntu.com and please do read it.
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme: also known as "copyleft"
<rapha> Hahahah!
<gabb> SCO owns nothing.
<rapha> Owns Unix, how sweet.
<Amaranth> topyli: try sending it to amaranth@phphacking.com
<Amaranth> topyli: gmail is funny sometimes
<topyli> Amaranth: the day before yesterday a gmail user got my mail after 6 hours or so
<mjr> geneo93, SCO has the Unix business, it's contested if it owns the OS itself, btw :)
<topyli> hold on, i'll send it to phphacking
<DarthFrog> thoreauputic: True, but Ubuntu is about so much more than the GPL.  It is truly beautiful.
<Amaranth> yeah, i won't be up then :P
<DyGyTyL> i noticed to become an ubuntu member..either registration is down or..ubuntu rejects gmail accounts
<thoreauputic> DarthFrog: of course - Im just firing off a few summaries :)
<kalis> haha... blender and nvidia driver dont get along to well ;)
<Memcmeme> indeed
<geneo93> yes i know it clains to own it but others say diff
<topyli> Amaranth: ok let's see what happens now
<Memcmeme> its philosophy is certainly different than Microsofts
<Memcmeme> or even apples
* Amaranth twiddles his thumbs
<Amaranth> got it
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme:  ubuntu = humanity to others (approximate translation)
<topyli> Amaranth: that's snappier :)
<Memcmeme> yeah I read that
<DarthFrog> Memcmeme: And the fact that Ubuntu itself is superlative, is a rather nice icing.
<Memcmeme> I like this OS
<Memcmeme> based on principle
<Memcmeme> i am looking forward to the installation completing
<thoreauputic> Memcmeme: exactly :)
<geneo93> Memcmeme:  human
<Memcmeme> OK my system just finished installing
<Memcmeme> does it have an IRC client
<Memcmeme> i want switch to that system
<DyGyTyL> xchat by default
<Memcmeme> ok
<Memcmeme> be back guys :)
<goldfish_> irssi!
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i've been using mandrake for 5 yrs and this is a relief
<rapha> GRAAAH!
<thoreauputic> goldfish_: heh - irssi is a bit steep for a complete newb :)
<DarthFrog> rapha: Would that be the Galway GRAAAH's?  Or the Alsation branch? :-)
<goldfish_> :)
<topyli> geneo93: i guess i got away from mandrake soon enough, because i have good memories. recently the users complain more than before
<thoreauputic> geneo93: yeah, I used mandrake for a while - it's OK
<geneo93> topyli:  they lost all their good cevelopers
<geneo93> developers
<topyli> hmm
<Juippis> Mandrake was my second distro I tried :)
<memcmeme> it works
<thoreauputic> I tried 10.1 just to see what it was like - uninstalled it a day later
<topyli> geneo93: iirc they used to have a good gnome team
<geneo93> yeah when they went into bankruptsy
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: welcome back!
<memcmeme> I am confused, I have onboard sound, I have to install drivers for it to work, but I have sound now
<memcmeme> how is that possible?
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i have a copy of cooker on here
<Juippis> thoreauputic: yes, in my opinion 9.2 is the best
<gabb> ALSA/OSS drivers
<gabb> Work with almost every soundcard or sound chip.
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: the drivers are installed from kernel modules
<memcmeme> that is impressive indeed
<memcmeme> WTF
<memcmeme> I have an office application
<memcmeme> I didn't install one
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: if they are there for your hardware, they "just work"
<gabb> Yea, OOe.
<gabb> *OOo
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: oh yes... *big grin*
<memcmeme> this is like Christmas
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: yay!!
<gabb> Your suprise tells me you've been a windows user till now.
<memcmeme> yeah
<DyGyTyL> nice to know another has been converted to ubuntu:D
<topyli> memcmeme: just go to work. everything should be there and Just Work :)
<gabb> Wait till you find the update-manager who'll serve you the latest updates for the entire system (for free).
<memcmeme> I tried something called apt-get install synaptic
<memcmeme> and it seems to be working
<DyGyTyL> should be installed already..
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: when you configure your package manager, you will have *thousands* of programs to choose from
<thoreauputic> that's synaptic
<memcmeme> how do I get to synaptic
<memcmeme> its not installed
<memcmeme> now
<memcmeme> installed
<memcmeme> that is
<memcmeme> but I don't know where it is
<Hmmmm> memcmeme, have u configured apt-get
<Hmmmm> ?
<geneo93> yeah it is
<memcmeme> no
<memcmeme> how do I do that?
<thoreauputic> computer >> system config >> package manager
<topyli> memcmeme: system - administration - synaptic in the menu
<DyGyTyL> systems\administration on the title bar, should see synaptics
<Hmmmm> memcmeme, do a "whereis apt-get"
<geneo93> dont mess with it yet
<thoreauputic> use the GUI at first
<topyli> memcmeme: sorry, you have a different menu from mine
<DyGyTyL> you running 4.10 still topyli?
<topyli> DyGyTyL: no, but i think memcmeme is
<memcmeme> it says I have 3165 packages to choose from
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
<geneo93> mem you have to add some repositories yet
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you should add the "universe" repositories under settings > repositories
<memcmeme> how do I add them
<memcmeme> neverind
<memcmeme> it just a click away
<memcmeme> God that was easy
<Amaranth> topyli: odd, i can't make it show up either
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you can select them (tick the boxes)
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: now reload
<topyli> Amaranth: yeah. yet the file looks ok
<memcmeme> doing so
<geneo93> then click on mark all updates
<thoreauputic> you sshould then see about 13 000 packages or more
<memcmeme> HOLY Sh!T
<DyGyTyL> hehe:P
<memcmeme> it says 14478 packages
<Amaranth> oh
<Amaranth> i know why
<thoreauputic> haha - it's fune seeing someone discover Ubuntu :)
<memcmeme> I tried Linux a long while back
<memcmeme> and I hated it
<memcmeme> it was a pain in the but
<memcmeme> but this is great
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: all free in both senses of the word
<memcmeme> the one I tried was called Mepiss or something
<memcmeme> and it kept crashing
* topyli awaits Amaranth's secret
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i would like to see the expression on his face
<topyli> :)
<thoreauputic> geneo93: indeed
<goldfish_> hey guys, just wanting to try out xfce, just searched synaptic, and i see xfce and xfce4, which one should i choose?
<farruinn> xfce4
<memcmeme> I can't get over the fact that my monitor just works
<memcmeme> again on windows
<geneo93> memcmeme:  you have warty or hoary
<memcmeme> it came out all screwy until I installed the drivers
<memcmeme> hoary
<acorbi> Hi all: anyone knows why packages semantic and eieio are *newer* in warty than in hoary?
<geneo93> cool you love it
<memcmeme> its donwlaoding a LOT of stuff
<memcmeme> is it like doing a total update of all of the packages?
<memcmeme> on my system?
<goldfish_> farruinn: thanks
<topyli> memcmeme: hoary isn't quite ready yet. there are lots of updates every day now
<djp> hi everynoe
<Amaranth> maybe i don't know why
<topyli> heh
<djp> and everyone!
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you will need a few "non-free" packages for sound etc, probably for mp3 and such: non-free doesn't mean they cost money of course...
<geneo93> memcmeme:  its going to update some each day so you have to keep doing the update for awhile
<memcmeme> how do I get those nonfree packages?
<memcmeme> should I tick multiverse?
<topyli> yes
<memcmeme> will do when it finishes downloading the other stuff
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<Micksa> if I attempt to run a prog that needs my password (sudo I presume) and I get the password wrong and it doesn't let me re-type, pretending I've already typed the (wrong) password, how do I fix that?
<djp> memcmeme: check out http://ubuntuguide.org for easy to follow advice on setting up ubuntu
<memcmeme> ok
<memcmeme> sorry to bother you with all of these questions :(
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: that's why we're here :)
<Amaranth> topyli: Got it. :)
<topyli> memcmeme: when we get tired of newbies, we just go away for a while :)
<Amaranth> topyli: I need to make one more change then I'm going to upload a new deb.
<memcmeme> I like the desktop colors they are very earthy
<memcmeme> they remind me of Zambia
<Micksa> ah, I see
<gabb> Heh, this is not MSDN - you're more than welcome asking questions. We just advice you to read solutions (articles and documents) that describe your problem better than we can.
<topyli> Amaranth: great. the editor does look good, keep a-hacking' :)
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: be aware that hoary is still in development - things can break. it will become the official release in April
<memcmeme> IT HAS AIM!
<memcmeme> only it doesn't have those damn adds
<thoreauputic> yup, and msn and jabber and ...
<Amaranth> topyli: new deb and source uploaded
<Quinn_Storm> memcmeme: well its gaim, but gaim is better ^-^
<memcmeme> I would say so, I like it better already, no popups
<geneo93> hehe
<memcmeme> no bloody video apearing without my asking in the corner of th box
<Amaranth> topyli: the lyx entry won't show up in the editor anymore either, you'll need to delete it and create a new one
* topyli goes to fetch Amaranth's package
<DyGyTyL> gaim rocks, i noticed things before..where it tells you if someone has you blocked or if they dont have you on their list..hehe
<memcmeme> this is peaceful
<memcmeme> I can already feel my stress level decreasing
<topyli> Amaranth: ok. i'll remove it by hand first
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: heh- I haven't seen a popup for over a year, as far as I can remember
<djp> i want to install the following package from source, http://www.ghostwhitecrab.com/generator/. what packages need to be installed on my system in order to do this? When I try to compile the source I receive the message, no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH.
<xiglet> what's the difference between array7 and preview? does array7 have gnome 2.10?
<goldfish_> djp: get a c compiler
<gabb> You'll need GCC or CC.
<DyGyTyL> ubuntu doesnt have gcc or cc by default
<goldfish_> djp: apt-get install gcc
<gabb> But GCC is in base iirc.
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i quit using windows in 1999 when se came out
<Quinn_Storm> ubuntu doesn't install dev stuff by default
<memcmeme> this xchat program is great
<goldfish_> hehe
<djp> goldfish_: cheers
<memcmeme> its so much nicer than chatzilla
<goldfish_> i prefer my terminal based irc clients :)
<zenrox> memcmeme,  wait till you find the scripts
<Amaranth> djp: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<gabb> gcc is installed per default in hoary, at least for me. Maybe it's missing libc-dev and alike.
<thoreauputic> no sudo apt-get install build-essential to get all compiling stuff
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: :)
<djp> Amaranth: what is the build-essential package?
<Amaranth> djp: Just what it sounds like, the essentials for building things from source.
<thoreauputic> djp: it's a "meta-package" that installs the tools
<Amaranth> topyli: I _just_ got your email in gmail. :P
<topyli> heh
<DyGyTyL> i've been boggling back and forth trying to fix these broken packages..it happened sometime either apt-get updating/upgrading before ubuntu's new update manager..(i tend to stay away from synaptics so it wasnt that). but i've been unable to fix em and was wondering if anyone else had trouble with em, lsb, lsb-cxx, lsb-graphics, python2.3-glade2, python-gtk2 :/ i don't really depend on python all that much
<memcmeme> will I have to restard when my update finishes?
<DyGyTyL> wow spam sry:P
<memcmeme> *restart
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: no
<memcmeme> ok
<kalis> memcmeme, nope! No reboots necessary here! It's not windows or OSX!
<memcmeme> then i will stay on
<kalis> ;)
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you don't have to - but the kernel will be newer
<memcmeme> :)
<zenrox> memcmeme,  only reboot when a kerl is being updated
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: the new kernel would kick in on next reboot
<zenrox> kernel
<memcmeme> sweet
<memcmeme> is it possible to get nvidia drivers with apt?
<optika> memcmeme: yes
<memcmeme> becuase it looks like I can install UT2K4 on linux
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: rebooting is rarely necessary or desirable in linux
<djp> Amaranth: thanks
<Amaranth> topyli: working now? :)
<zenrox> memcmeme, read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvida drivers
<kalis> i think it is very odd that OSX cant load for example LDAP auth into the kernel without a reboot... it's a FreeBSD kernel under the hood for crying out loud!
<guotie> so many people ,hahah
<guotie> are there chinese ?
<thoreauputic> guotie: probably
<topyli> Amaranth: hold on. i tried to clean up real good first
<Quinn_Storm> kalis: actually its mach, not freebsd, the userland is bsd-ish but the kernel is nothing like bsd
<Amaranth> topyli: o_O
<guotie> mm
<Amaranth> After I get a few more people using this and add delete support I'm going to talk to the motu about getting it included.
<Amaranth> Probably today or tomorrow.
<memcmeme> this is just nice :)
<kalis> Quinn_Storm, hmm! isnt the darwin kernel is a derative from FreeBSD kernel?
<natxo> hi all
<Amaranth> today meaning after i wake up today :P
<Quinn_Storm> kalis: not that I know of no
<topyli> Amaranth: you just put lyx on my menu. works nice. thanks! just what we need
<guotie> hi
<optika> FreeBSD and mach derivative.
<memcmeme> LOL
<zenrox> Amaranth,  what program
<zenrox> ??
<guotie> i have just update
<memcmeme> there is a thingy in the corner that lets my switch desktops
<Quinn_Storm> the userland is FreeBSD derivative, not the kernel
<flawd> when hoary stable is released, there wont be any problems upgrading my hoary preview to it right?
<Amaranth> zenrox: http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
<zenrox> sweet
<zenrox> goine to get it now
<guotie> the preview version can do
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you can have more than 4 if you wish
<Quinn_Storm> flawd: I don't see why there would be
<gabb> Heh - you'll spend some time now memcmeme finding nice features that are common for linux/bsd users, but new to a former windows user. :)
<flawd> Quinn_Storm, Thought there might be a different "tree" or something. Something that differs
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: the win world has no idea what it's missing out on ;)
<gabb> You can also drag&drop windows from desktop to another desktop by pulling it to the edges.
<Quinn_Storm> flawd: not with a debian-based distro
<flawd> Good.
<flawd> ty
<micmur> Hi all
<flawd> I think the preview is quite buggy but also quite stable for a preview release.
<kalis> Stupid apple, they say on their site that the tiger kernel is based on mach and freebsd. ;)
<micmur> Anybody here install mplayer and the mozilla plugins on your system?
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  you must be a democrate also
<Amaranth> kalis: And that's bad why?
<DyGyTyL> flawd: agreed...
<deFrysk> micmur, yes
<kalis> Amaranth, if the kernel aint based on freebsd, why should they say it?
<Amaranth> it is
<micmur> I get picture but no sound when I go to Quicktime trailers...
<thoreauputic> geneo93: no, I'm a kind of soft hearted anarchist ;-)
<micmur> Do I have to do something?
<gabb> The internals/core are mach.
<kalis> MMkay!
<flawd> btw, how can I edit the program menues in gnome?
<deFrysk> micmur, never tried it with qtime
<johnnybezak> flawd: apparently you can't with 2.10
<deFrysk> micmur, can I have a link ?
<Amaranth> flawd: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.1-1_i386.deb <--install that
<flawd> johnnybezak, umm, that is truly weird if so
<Amaranth> flawd: If you're using hoary.
<memcmeme> you will never take my ubuntu from me alive!
<flawd> I am
<kalis> johnnybezak, you can, with a little XML file hacking you can alter the menu files.
<micmur> http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/waroftheworlds/large_1.html
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: haha :D
<geneo93> memcmeme:  its frree for life
<johnnybezak> kalis: ok some text file? i just read there was no menu editor
<memcmeme> I'd pay
<micmur> Picture is great
<flawd> Amaranth, is that something that will be included in hoary soon?
<micmur> Just no sound right now
<micmur> No idea what to do
<Amaranth> flawd: I hope so.
<deFrysk> micmur, loading
<micmur> k
<geneo93> memcmeme:  you can donate
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: and you will never *need * to reinstall again, if you stay up to date with upgrades :)
<flawd> Amaranth, is it safe to install "out of ubuntu"-debs?
<deFrysk> micmur, works fine here
<memcmeme> nice
<Amaranth> flawd: Yeah, I made that.
<memcmeme> I am glad I have broadband though
<deFrysk> micmur, are you in gnome ?
<micmur> I just went through the whole how-to on the forums and now I can't hear
<micmur> Yes
<memcmeme> this would be monsteriously horrible on dialup
<memcmeme> this update would have take weeks
<flawd> Amaranth, well hmm... ok. thanks
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: I'm surviving on dialup :)
<deFrysk> micmur, are you in hoary ?
<topyli> flawd: i just tried it and it works
<ubuntu> hi
<geneo93> memcmeme:  days here
<micmur> Yep
<memcmeme> ahh
<ubuntu> i just under kubuntu ...
<memcmeme> 15 minutes here
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: on dialup the stable branch is a better alternative
<flawd> topyli, nice
<memcmeme> I would imagine
<ubuntu> i would like to know if theres a way to save  the config on a usb key for a live cd use ?
<deFrysk> micmur, set the soundoutput to esd in /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf
<topyli> ubuntu: is kubuntu kde "humanized"?
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  i live on the edge
<micmur> ah
<deFrysk> micmur, like ao=esd
<micmur> Going now
<thoreauputic> geneo93: by all means, if you like to :)
<ubuntu> so for the config save ?
<geneo93> i have alot of patience i guess
<johnnybezak> ubutnu: what config do you want to save
<DyGyTyL> i've had trouble with my debs list in 5.04 i want to paste this maybe someone can pinpoint what actually went wrong. this is one of many debs that went haywire on a 5.04 update
<DyGyTyL> W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org sarge/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
<thoreauputic> geneo93: I just finished an 83 MB security update on Warty
<thoreauputic> geneo93: that's big enough for me...
<geneo93> thoreauputic:  all my files are backed up on more than one drive so it no biggy
<topyli> DyGyTyL: why the sarge updates?
<natxo> DyGyTyL i have the same error but with nerim.net repo
<memcmeme> I am going to try to install the Nvidia drivers following that little guide
<thoreauputic> DyGyTyL: why are you using debian repos?
<ubuntu> every livecd have a tool to save config ...and retrieve it when rebooting the live cd
<DyGyTyL> my friend gave me his sources.list which has like an assload of sources
<geneo93> 612 upgraded, 21 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
<ubuntu> oops
<geneo93> Need to get 297MB/415MB of archives.
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic: this is because upgrade system is stupid - I really don't understand why I need to reinstall whole package while only few files changed
<thoreauputic> DyGyTyL: this is a *very* bad move...
<DyGyTyL> worked fine in 4.10, ..:\
<topyli> DyGyTyL: throw it away :)
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic: in this way you have to download 83MB
<micmur> deFrysk: Did it and still no sound
<marcin_ant> thoreauputic: while you propably could 10% of it
<thoreauputic> marcin_ant: yes, an rsync syatem would be nicer
<micmur> vo=x11,			# To specify default video driver (see -vo help for
<micmur> 			# list)
<micmur> ao=esd,		# To specify default audio driver (see -ao help for
<micmur> 			# list)
<thoreauputic> *system
<topyli> DyGyTyL: first, hoary is more in sync with unstable than sarge. second, you'll end up with a bastard hybrid debian/ubuntu system that will surely break
<deFrysk> micmur, did u use the packages as stated in the wiki pages for restrikted formats for hoary ?
<ubuntu> so o can't see any tool for the config save ..
<micmur> I just followed these instructions...http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&page=4&pp=10&highlight=install+mplayer
<DyGyTyL> good thing i backed up my old sources.list, just hope it's not too late
<geneo93> DyGyTyL:  apt-get clean
<DyGyTyL> *nod*
<deFrysk> micmur,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats read about the needed packages and repos for hoeary to get the correct packages
<deFrysk> hoary that is
<memcmeme> I want to test out my nvidia drivers
<memcmeme> is there a quick OpenGL app I can get?
<natxo> memcmeme glxgears
<DyGyTyL> is an apt-get dist-upgrade the same thing as using the 5.04  ubuntu update manager?
<geneo93> glxgears
<geneo93> yes
<deFrysk> micmur, your seem at first glance needed for warty
<natxo> or try neverball, tuxracer...
<geneo93> well guys gnite
<thoreauputic> nite geneo93
<DyGyTyL> l8r geneo
<memcmeme> whats a good dvd codex for linux?
<jamin_l> Quick question if I may... if I apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, will it add all of the KDE apps to my Gnome Applications menu?
* gabb has to install WinXP on a laptop right and can't stand the "You need to reboot now" messages anymore. God, how I DID NOT missed Windows ...
<deFrysk> jamin_l, big part of it for sure
<gabb> memcmeme, install VLC (VideoLAN Client), it has all the codecs you need shipped with it iirc.
<topyli> jamin_l: i doubt it
<deFrysk> topyli, dont doubt it
<topyli> heh, ok then
<deFrysk> ;p
<kalis> I might be quite stupid! But how do i get folders to appear in the "Places" menu?
<kalis> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/images/panel-menus-places-cut.png
<Rattboi> kalis:I don't think you do
<Rattboi> oh, maybe you do
<Rattboi> :P
<jamin_l> Hmmm... I'd rather not have that happen.  It did that installing the vanilla KDE packages from Universe, and aside from broken packages causing trouble, that led me to uninstall the whole thing.
<kalis> Thats what i thought, im not stupid after all ;)
<thoreauputic> kalis: if they are in /etc/fstab, they should appear
<thoreauputic> kalis: ah sorry - misunderstood you
<jamin_l> kalis... this is probably not the official way, but if you're in an "open File" dialog and you drag a folder to the side, it'll appear there and in the Places menu
<memcmeme> ok
<memcmeme> I am downlaoding them
<Rattboi> the gnome menus seem to be really screwy atm, I assume mostly because of Freedesktop spec stuff
<memcmeme> how do I get kubuntu?
<Rattboi> memcmeme, download it :P
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: did you read the restricted formats page I linked ?
<Rattboi> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/
<memcmeme> yes
<DyGyTyL> on ubuntu 4.10, ...i nabbed bits and pieces of kde to implement some parts of xandros into my ubuntu it didn't merge gnome + kde..but if u only snatched a few parts of kde then tried to boot in kde u might be in trouble:p
<deFrysk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/hoary-install-i386.iso
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: I believe you can add kde by installing kubuntu-desktop
<kalis> jamin_l, Cool! That solves the mystery! I now have everything i need in the "places" menu!
<jamin_l> kalis, glad Icould help
<natxo> kalis: in a gtkfileselector you can "add favourites" and then you can see them in "places"
<memcmeme> where the heck did VLC go?
<memcmeme> I installed it
<topyli> memcmeme: it probably won't show up in the menu
<Rattboi> memcmeme, like I said, gnome menus are kinda funny atm, sometimes I need to restart gnome to get stuff to show up
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: try typing `vlc` ina terminal
<Rattboi> what thoreauputic said
<Rattboi> was so nice when you could do "applications:///" in nautilus
<memcmeme> go it
<memcmeme> got it
<memcmeme> how do I link that command to the menu?
<Alessio> sorry who can i ask for add a forum to this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums/document_view ??
<thoreauputic> memcmeme:  to put it in the background, you can start apps with for example,  vlc &
<Rattboi> is Kubuntu KDE + Gnome, or just KDE?
<Rattboi> memcmeme, it's probably already there
<natxo> memcmeme go to the file propierties menu, and browse "open with"
<thoreauputic> the & allows you to keep using the terminal
<Rattboi> just need to restart gnome
<xiglet> what is the difference between hoary array7 and preview?
<johnnybezak> Rattboi: why can't you type applications:/// now?
<thoreauputic> johnnybezak: gnome menu editing is broken atm
<micmur> deFrysk:Changed ao to esd and still no sound
<thoreauputic> in hoary
<memcmeme> Ok
<topyli> Alessio: you want to add a language?
<memcmeme> I will do that when kubuntu is done downlaoding
<dabi> hmm when i try to uninstall webmin from synaptic during the uninstall sript it just closes it self.. and wont remove, what command removes it in console?
<memcmeme> I will be back in like ten or fifteen minutes guys
<micmur> deFrysk: Even went to the wikipage
<Rattboi> johnnybezak, it seems that gnome menu editing got removed when they standardized to freedesktop menu spec
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you can make a laucher (short cut ico)
<thoreauputic> *icon
<Rattboi> seems like it'd be smarter to make sure it's fully working before implementing it, but whatever
<DyGyTyL> apt-get remove webmin ?
<DM_Rado> hi everyone
<flawd> hi
<thoreauputic> Amaranth has written a menu-editor
<dabi> dpkg: error processing webmin (--remove):
<dabi>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
<dabi>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
<dabi> Errors were encountered while processing:
<dabi>  webmin
<dabi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
<Amaranth> :)
<natxo> dabi dpkg --purge webmin && apt-get install webmin
* Amaranth is writing a menu editor
<thoreauputic> dabi: next time, use #flood or apastebin, please
<Amaranth> damn python-xdg
<DM_Rado> i have an acer travelmate 730 series, i cannot install ubuntu
<dabi> srry
<Amaranth> current version works, next version will work better
<dabi> damn wont work..
<DM_Rado> is this normal?
<flawd> DM_Rado, what is the error?
<thoreauputic> well, eating time... later all
<natxo> dabi dpkg --purge webmin
<flawd> later thoreauputic
<natxo> and then, try to re-instal
<dabi> naxto: error processing webmin (--purge)
<natxo> what error?
<DyGyTyL> hmm, maybe dpkg -P webmin then apt-get install webmin
<dabi> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
<dabi>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
<micmur> Anybody else know how to configure sound in mplayer so I can play Quicktime trailers?
<MyNameIsChris> Will apt-get install php4 work with a custom build of apache?
<natxo> dpkg --purge --force-all webmin
<dabi> naxto: dpkg: error while cleaning up:
<dabi>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 126
<natxo> shit, you need to edit postinst script
<dabi> omg
<natxo> edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin.postinst
<natxo> and add "exit 0" after #!/bin/sh
* gabb smells a hack ;)
* natxo smells dirty postinst script
<natxo> its the only way, really?
* lok smells that a return 0 isn't a hack or a dirty add-on to a script
<DM_Rado> i have an acer travelmate 730 series, i cannot install ubuntu, can some one help
<dabi> hm.. where do i add exit 0?
<dabi> theres exit 0 at end of the file..
<natxo> dabi before #!/bin/sh
<natxo> 2nd line
<lok> s/return/exit/
<dabi> oh
<MyNameIsChris> DM_Rado, what is the problem?
<dabi> done..
<natxo> dabi, try to dpkg --purge again
<DM_Rado> there are alot of errors  when installing
<dabi> same error :S
<natxo> aagh
<Alessio> topyli, yes italian
<dabi> fking webmin.. only get me problems..
<natxo> dabi, move the postinst file to /tmp and create new with only:
<natxo> #!/bin/sh
<natxo> exit 0
<lok> have you try to force install a older version then remove it?
<Alessio> topyli, italian forum is up yet, i want ask a link..
<DM_Rado> failed configuring network
<dabi> natxo: so that the file contains only #! /bin/sh and exit 0
<dabi> ?
<natxo> ya
<dabi> STILL the same prob..
<dabi> omfg
<natxo> chmod +x the file
<flawd> heh. the update thingie says there are 2 updates but when trying to update it says there is nothing to update
<dabi> mn done..
<dabi> damn...
<deFrysk> flawd, same here
<natxo> what happened?
<dabi> same error..
<natxo> shit
<flawd> deFrysk, oh well. some de-sync or something
<flawd> nothing majorly disturbing
<natxo> paste again the error
<dabi> (Reading database ... 98850 files and directories currently installed.)
<dabi> Removing webmin ...
<dabi> Stopping Webmin server in /home/toni/Desktop/webmin-1.180.tar_FILES/webmin-1.180/etc/webmin/stop: line 4: kill: (6789) - No such process
<dabi> invoke-rc.d: initscript webmin, action "stop" failed.
<dabi> dpkg: error processing webmin (--purge):
<dabi>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
<dabi> Errors were encountered while processing:
<dabi>  webmin
<dabi> ups
<natxo> uhmm.....
<natxo> and with --force-all ?
<Shaquile> Do you have any idea where I can find Kubuntu?
<deFrysk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/hoary-install-i386.iso
<topyli> Alessio: i'm not sure who's responsible for the web pages. jdub probably
<Shaquile> deFrysk: Thanks!
<DyGyTyL> dabi: did you install webmin from apt?
<memcmeme> I can't get it to play DVD
<topyli> Amaranth: actually, the menu entries seem to get updated every time i click save in the editor. haven't killed gnome-panel yet
<kalis> is there anyone else than me that finds Evolution a bit annoying with all its evolution-data-server, exchange-that and exchange-this? ;)
<memcmeme> I need something called libdvdcss
<Amaranth> topyli: really?!?
<memcmeme> but I can't apt it
<topyli> Amaranth: yeah, i don't know what's wrong :)
<deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<Myrtti> memcmeme: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
<Myrtti> deFrysk: sync \o/
<deFrysk> :D
<topyli> Amaranth: it works instantly
<Amaranth> not here
<topyli> when i add entries as root
<Amaranth> it'll show up right away in the editor
<mattb> hi, is there a way to make the gnome Music Player use ALSA rather than ESD?
<Amaranth> but not in the panel
<topyli> hmm
<Amaranth> oh, now it works :)
<Amaranth> i forgot to give the first entry a category
<memcmeme> yeah
<Amaranth> sweetness
<memcmeme> i read it
<memcmeme> it says libdvdcss2
<memcmeme> I can't apt it
<topyli> Amaranth: your editor must be seriously buggy. gnome-menus don't work like they used to =)
<membreya> wooo another 25Mb of updates today...that makes about 150Mb in the last 3 days :P
<Amaranth> heh
<dwa_> sounds like fun if you're on a 56k line :)
<membreya> dwa_: cable :)
<topyli> Amaranth: one thing it needs is to go to /usr/share/pixmaps for icons
<dwa_> hehe i'm on a 3mbit line here
<dwa_> but back in the day... ;)
<deFrysk> memcmeme, you need the marrilat repo
<membreya> too slow for my liking dwa_ :P adsl even beats that :P
<natxo> dwa_ can you borrow me some mbits? :P
<natxo> i only have 512kbits
<deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<dwa_> hehe
<dwa_> this is a adsl line membreya
<dwa_> natxo i'd be glad to
<membreya> ok ok ..."full" adsl beats it :P
<dwa_> when are you going to pick it up?
<memcmeme> it doesn't say how to get the marrilat repo
<dwa_> true true :)
<membreya> can't wait till adsl2 hits the market :)
<dwa_> me 2
<flawd> 512kbps works
<dwa_> it's going to be rolled out this year here in the netherlands
<membreya> sweeeeet :)
<MyNameIsChris> Hmm, php4 has apache as a dependency but where does it put it, more importantly. apachectl
<membreya> flawd: 512kbps ...works for email :)
<deFrysk> memcmeme, yust this time : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
<flawd> or wait I think my isp upgraded it
<natxo> time to have some food
<flawd> I download at max 200-230 KB / sec
<flawd> that must be more than 512 kbps
<dwa_> yep
<membreya> thats much faster than 512 flawd lol :P
<tanek_> 2Mbit
<petemc> thats nearly 2 meg
<dwa_> i'm doing 350 kB / s
<flawd> weird
<membreya> 512 = 60kB/s or so
<flawd> well I wont complain!
<tanek_> bit/8 = byte :P
<membreya> I only download at about 1.5Mb/s :(
<tanek_> let people do their own maths :P
<flawd> poor you medwards_
<memcmeme> how do I point synaptic at it?
<flawd> membreya
<membreya> tanek_: don't forget start/stop packets..so it = 10 :)
<tanek_> :D
<deFrysk> memcmeme, just add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list
<memcmeme> I am brand new
<memcmeme> I have no idea what that is
<membreya> then again ..according to harddrive manufacturers..1gb = 1000 Mb :|
<tanek_> :(
<deFrysk> memcmeme, know how to use nano ?
<tanek_> use gedit
<flawd> lol yeah I checked the ISP's site out and they upgraded to 2 mbps
<deFrysk> tanek_, yah
<memcmeme> nope
<DyGyTyL> memcmeme has to be root to edit their sources.list, dont think they have established root yet
<deFrysk> memcmeme, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
<memcmeme> ok
<memcmeme> I am in synaptic
<deFrysk> memcmeme, and add the line
<memcmeme> and I clicked on repository
<memcmeme> edit
<membreya> just me or is AUC painfully slow ?
<memcmeme> custom
<memcmeme> and it says apt line
<tanek_> gaaah, why oh why can't i get cedega to play warcraft 3, says no cd... 4.3 does have the fix for this copy-protection :(
<memcmeme> what the apt line for marrilet
<memcmeme> ?
<deFrysk> memcmeme, close synaptic for now and do as I told please
<memcmeme> ok
<deFrysk> add the marrilat line with gedit
<deFrysk> memcmeme,  then save and close gedit
<deFrysk> memcmeme, apt-get update
<memcmeme> got it
<deFrysk> as sudo of course
<flawd> tanek_, no cd when install?
<deFrysk> tham sudo apt-get install <blah>
<deFrysk> then
<tanek_> flawd: w00t?
<flawd> tanek_, does cedega complain about no cd at install or running game?
<tanek_> running game
<memcmeme> thank god
<flawd> tanek_, I guess a no-cd crack would work
<tanek_> not when i want to go on battle.net
<flawd> but backup the original exe
<flawd> ok
<flawd> how annoying
<deFrysk> memcmeme, </end-godmode>
<tanek_> very
<DyGyTyL> what flag(s) do you use when you run warcraft with cedega?
<flawd> good luck
<tanek_> DyGyTyL: none
<memcmeme> it worked
<memcmeme> this is a good codec
<flawd> throw in a -monitor-cd-eject or whatever for the sake of it lol
<dizzie> Whats new in array-7 Worth upgrading? o_O
<deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
<NeO[Stage] > does so can tell me where to ask a question about GNU time ?
<DM_Rado> when onstalling the base system, i get a debootstrap error 'Couldn't retrieve iproute' what is going on?
<memcmeme> nice
<edulix> when I suspend my laptop, after I restart it, only see a lot of vertical bars, and a small square of vertical bars that I can move with my mouse
<edulix> it's an inspiron BTW
<edulix> ah and hibernate works nicely
<flawd> tried to install kernel-image-2.6-k7 but it says it is not installable
<NealZheimer> if someody have an clue about why this ( http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=3980 ) doesn't give the wanted result, I'll be thankfull
<flawd> why can i not install it?
<kent> NealZheimer, it does not work for me either. the manual says "time -f" should work, but it does not. Time sees it as a program to run :(
<NealZheimer> arf
<NealZheimer> it's too bad...
<kent> NealZheimer, it seems that time  has a bug with arguments in Hoary. Every argument is treated as a program to run :(
<kent> NealZheimer, i added a bug about it to bugzilla.
<JustOneIt> Hi! ;)
<NealZheimer> ok :)
<JustOneIt> is it possible to reinstall mplayer from sources?
<NealZheimer> so I'll have to parse the standard output by myself... :)
<dwa_> what do you mean JustOneIt ?
<odyssey> does anyone know if tables created in openoffice and saved to a microsoft word format are correctly displayed when opended in microsoft word?
<edulix> hey it's softsusp2 what hoary uses ?
<NealZheimer> odyssey : make one up and I'll tell you...
<dwa_> JustOneIt : do you currently have a .deb installed?
<memcmeme> this is so nice
<dabi> What os should i pick in the install of webmin? Debian?
<gabb> Is there a wiki or howto entry about switching from gnome to xfce ?
<runedude> hi everyone. Just installed cpanel via the layer1 install, and I was wondering, what's next? I tried to login to port 2082, and it says somethings not found like /frontend/default/index.html
<runedude> and dabi yes, debian as a choice for the webmin install works for me >:)
<dabi> runedude: ver?
<runedude> dabi: if you got the latest ubuntu, its the latest debian stuff too
<runedude> 3.1 ?
<runedude> or 3.0 ?
<dabi> ok ty
<JustOneIt> dwa_: dunno... :( i'm just a newbie in ubuntu
<flawd> the gnome panel resources applet says 89% of memory is used with 58% cache. Can I somehow free that ram without rebooting or something
<runedude> flawd: x takes alot of memory usage, so well, the only way to stop it, and x is /etc/init.d/gdm stop
<dwa_> JustOneIt you can follow the howto on ubuntuforums.org
<odyssey> NealZheimer, thanks, but i had better not risk it on this report im writing will experiment some other time
<NealZheimer> as U wish
<Dazed> How can I set up a dual boot with Ubuntu
<flawd> runedude, well it got that eaten up when I installed packs with synaptic
<runedude> Dazed: install the bootloader? hehe
<dwa_> JustOneIt : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850&highlight=mplayer+howto
<runedude> flawd: make sure all synaptic processes are out :: ps aux | grep synaptic
<Dazed> Ive got xp installed now, and i have an empty 5 gig partition on another drive for ubuntu, but i want to be able to choose between operting systems at the startup
<runedude> Dazed: you could do eh, your bios settings
<dwa_> if you install ubuntu, it will automatically dual boot
<Dazed> Eh this bios is shit
<dwa_> just make sure not to delete your windows partition
<Dazed> Are you sure it wont just take over and hold xp hostage?
<flawd> no pid
<dwa_> no Dazed
<runedude> flawd: hm, try to do ps aux and see anything that is memory hogging
<Dazed> k im gonna try it now
<runedude> like 1+%
<dwa_> and if it does, you can come back here and kick our asses :)
<dwa_> 2 late :)
<runedude> i wish it did take over xp stuff :P That'd teach them for using ms
<dwa_> hehe
<flawd> just small thingies taking like <5% each
<membreya> anyone here running galeon?
<dwa_> no, why?
<dwa_> i thought galeon was already dead
<membreya> no way
<membreya> but mine keeps locking my PC ..at least I think it does, it seems to be the culprit
<flawd> btw I installed k3b and konqueror and I had to install other kde thingies it depended on, now kjournald, khelper, kacpid, khubd etc etc is running. i dont need that running
<runedude> yes
<runedude> kill -9 those processes
<runedude> if they dont stop, just restart x
<flawd> runedude, yeah but how can I disable them from starting?
<deFrysk> flawd, try graveman in stead of k3b
<flawd> I just want them fired up whenever I use the kdeap that needs them
<dwa_> or, if you've got a valid nero at home, try nerolinux
<dwa_> haven't tried it yet
<dwa_> is it any good?
<deFrysk> dwa_, no way
<flawd> yeah Ill just uninstall the kdecrap
<flawd> bah
<flawd> brb
<deFrysk> its crap
<dwa_> gtk 1 :)
<dwa_> blegh..
<deFrysk> dwa_, no re write
<deFrysk> either
<dwa_> i mean why the hell did they use gtk 1?
<deFrysk> dwa_, its free
<runedude> flawd: best thing to do, is to remove them or something I guess
<dwa_> so is gtk 2
<dwa_> gnome 2.* is using gtk 2.*
<dwa_> and not 1
<deFrysk> true
<runedude> cya later guys
<deFrysk> maybe they use debian stable ;)
<dwa_> i've never seen graveman before
<dwa_> looks promising
<flawd> yeah I am about to runedude
<deFrysk> dwa_, yup and qt free
<thoreauputic> gtk1 is lgpl - so it's easier for commercial closed source apps
<deFrysk> thoreauputic, i see
<dwa_> ah OK
<thoreauputic> flawd: be careful - some of those K's refer to the kernel
<dwa_> kjournald is not kde related :)
<flawd> yeah I noticed
<flawd> klogd for instance
<thoreauputic>  kacpid
<thoreauputic> acpi daemon
<flawd> nod
<dwa_> i've tried the e17 cvs build yesterday
<tirno> hi
<dwa_> 1 word: WOW
<dwa_> hi tirno
<tirno> I'm on a laptop
<dwa_> me 2
<tirno> acer travelmate thingy
<dwa_> compaq evo
<tirno> I'm trying to configure the mouse
<dwa_> the mouse or the touchpad?
<flawd> btw anyone know how to try the xorg dropshadow thing?
<tirno> both
<tirno> touchpad really
<dwa_> what's your problem then?
<shmoolik> hello
<tirno> There's almost nothing in computer->desktop prefernces -> mouse
<kalis> what does: "E: console-data:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
<kalis> " mean when i get it in synaptic? its a bit cryptic ;)
<dwa_> flawd : you have to enable composite in your xorg.conf
<tirno> In particular, I'd like to activate a middle button
<dwa_> on your touchpad?
<tirno> yep
<flawd> ok
<tirno> It has a left/button
<dwa_> mm.. mine was enabled by default
<shmoolik> does any one here knows were i can find w32codecs*.deb?
<tirno> and a joystick thingy in the middle
<gabb> No one in here changed from gnome to XFCE ?
<tirno> I want one of the directions of the joystick thingy to act as middle button
<dwa_> can't help you there
<dwa_> i'm sorry
<tirno> a bunch of things in my touchpad were activated by default. Like tap-to-click and the scrolling on the right-hand side of the touchpad
<tirno> Do I have to find a driver
<deFrysk> shmoolik,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<tirno> or is it already there, hidden somewhere?
<dwa_> the driver is already installed
<dwa_> a synaptic touchpad i think
<tirno> yep
<shmoolik> deFrysk,  checking it now thanks
<dwa_> there is a config utility i think
<dwa_> tirno : what happens if you press the right-hand corner of your touchpad?
<dwa_> that's my middle mouse button
<shmoolik> deFrysk,  yeah i gone though this page befor ... it didn't helped me much =\
<runedude> hi, im back, got another question. when I try to su, it says invalid password, but I know this is the right password.. whats up? :|
<tirno> it's my right button
<dwa_> tirno : try this: apt-get install qsynaptics
<deFrysk> shmoolik, add : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main  to your sources.list
<thoreauputic> shmoolik: if you ebable the repositories there, you will be able to get w32codecs
<dwa_> i mean the upper right hand corner
<tirno> couldn't find package
<psik0> hello
<tirno> aaaah!
<tirno> upper-right corner is good
<psik0> how i can get all back to warty without reinstalling ?
<shmoolik> thoreauputic,  i have ebable the repositories as they sagested .....
<gabb> Is there something wrong with sudo under Ubuntu? All the sudo-linked apps can't authenticate it seems. Saying wrong password, which is impossible.
<tirno> but there must be a config file for this somewhere?
<dwa_> probably
<shmoolik> deFrysk,  i m afrade to add this source ....  r u sure it safe ?
<runedude> anyone know why when I try to su, it says invalid password, but I know this is the right password.. whats up? :|
<thoreauputic> psik0: with much breakage, cursing and probable lack of success
<kalis> My apt error is due to the fact that console-data seems to be broken. Anyone else has that problem?
<dwa_> tirno what apt repositories do you have enabled?
<gabb> If you find the reason, tell me runedude. I'm on the same problem atm. :/
<runedude> :| ok
<thoreauputic> runedude: use sudo
<runedude> thoreauputic: i want a root login tho
<shmoolik> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo did some one tryed it ?
<psik0> thoreauputic my sources.list file is only with warty, but i can get back my system from hoary
<membreya> ello thoreauputic :)
<thoreauputic> sudo -s
<runedude> not just a program running as root
<dwa_> tirno maybe you can try if ksynaptics is available to you
<thoreauputic> membreya: hi ther :)
<flawd> dwa_, ok xorg log now says composite is enabled. I still have no dtopshadow
<runedude> br
<runedude> b/
<thoreauputic> hehe *there
<dwa_> flawd you have to install xcompmgr
<gabb> thoreauputic, sudo as well as su don't work here. Is this a known problem with a default install ?
<dwa_> and transset
<psik0> runedude you can login as root editing /etc/passwd
<thoreauputic> gabb: sudo should work with your first user's password
<psik0> opss
<flawd> dwa_, xorg log also says glx doesnt work with composite. does this mean I wont be able to use opengl games and screensavers? glxgears doesnt work now
<flawd> ok dwa
<thoreauputic> psik0: that's not the right way to enable root
<shmoolik> flawd,  try this page http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Tranparency#Enabling_shadows_and_real_transparency
<dwa_> i'm not sure flawd haven't tried that yet
<membreya> thoreauputic: I have to stop using galeon :'(((
<dwa_> composite sucks on my laptop
<gabb> Damn, you're right thoreauputic. This is weird .. ain't sudo expecting the root pw usually ?
<flawd> ty
<thoreauputic> gabb: of course not :)
<gabb> Or is the first account automatically added to wheel/staff/adm ?
<tirno> dwa_: nm, gotta go
<psik0> thoreauputic what is ?
<thoreauputic> gabb: no wheel group as such in linux
<thoreauputic> psik0: sudo passwd root
<gabb> Ah right, that's a bsd-only thing.
<gabb> Nevermind them, I probably just confused systems. Thanks thoreauputic.
<psik0> dont wanna be a sudoer ...
<farruinn> gabb: in hoary the first user is added to the admin group with has sudo powers
<thoreauputic> membreya: what 's the galeon problem?
<membreya> thoreauputic: It's causing hard locks of my system :(
<gabb> That's what I meant farruinn - just bad wording on my end.
<psik0> thoreauputic but that enables root really?
<thoreauputic> psik0: you werne't paying attention - I just told you how to create a root account
<psik0> ok
<farruinn> gabb: just fyi, warty doesn't do it that way
<flawd> ok i have dropshadow effect working which is cool to have tried, but boy is it slow on my geforce 4 mx 440 lol
<flawd> not usable
<thoreauputic> psik0: but in fact it's completely pointless, since you can get a root shell any time by typing sudo -s
<gabb> Well, realizing that hoarty has no xfce4.2 backports I should have chosen warty I guess farruinn.
<psik0> ok
<dwa_> flawd : welcome to my world :)
<flawd> heh
<psik0> dont you have problems with hoary ?
<dwa_> it's slow as hell on my ati 9000
<psik0> i have no sound since i updated
<farruinn> dwa_: what are you complaining about, I have a rage 128 ;)
<dwa_> hehe :)
<thoreauputic> membreya: it's only a galeon thing?
<dwa_> i've got a radeon 9500 in my desktop pc and it's slow there too
<dwa_> but hey, ati sucks ass in linux
<membreya> membreya: yup, either running it in the background or using it directly...it's either that or imwheel ...gotta reboot to full test, but I don't get any locks using firefox (as much as I hate it!)
<membreya> brb will reboot to test the imwheel theory
<dwa_> why do you hate firefox membreya ?
<membreya> dwa_: cos it has nothing on galeon :)
<Quinn_Storm> btw what's imwheel?
<membreya> Quinn_Storm: imwheel allows me to use the buttons on the side of my mouse
<membreya> (for forward and back when browsing)
<Quinn_Storm> membreya: I see, cool...I want to get one of the original intellimouse explorers before they shrunk them...I liked those, nice big hefty mice, heh
<flawd> I tried to send an email to ATI to ask them to make better drivers but they did not provide any easy way to contact them on their site
<dwa_> lol @ flawd
<flawd> I did however write to intel and asked them to support the FSF freebios thing
<flawd> dwa_, what?
<dwa_> your mail to ati: it's pointless
<dwa_> the linux community is begging for better drivers for years now
<flawd> dwa_, of course one email is pointless
<crschmid1> Every 6 hours, my hoary machine gives up its DHCP lease and gets a new one, with a different IP.
<flawd> dwa_, the sum of all pointless emails makes a point
<JeanJean> does anyone now wich is the fastest linux: gentoo or hoary ?
<crschmid1> I have /etc/newtork/interfaces set to be static
<crschmid1> JeanJean: gentoo sucks, regardless of whether it's faster
<dwa_> gentoo doesn't suck
<thoreauputic> JeanJean: Vector Linux :P
<dwa_> it's great
<JeanJean> i'm sickof compiling things
<gabb> Is the xorg dropshadow that power/cpu-consuming? I have a FireGL T2 in my laptop, would it suffice?
<Myrtti> JeanJean: gentoo is faster, but only because of that constat compiling
<crschmid1> dwa_: "Gentoo sucks" is obviously a personal opinion. After using it for 18 months, it is my personal opinion that it does suck.
<Quinn_Storm> gabb: it depends more on what the drivers for the card are like
<Myrtti> sure it's configured to fit your needs
<Myrtti> but configuring is hard
<flawd> dwa_, I think that as a part of the linux community, any linux user can contribute by sending such emails. They don't care about one email but if everyone does it they will care
<dwa_> i hope so flawd
<Quinn_Storm> flawd: yep, thats the power of an unruly mob, hehe ^-^
<dwa_> i agree crschmid1 : personally i think gentoo is great
<flawd> intel said they would pass it on for review but they never gave a reply other than that heh
<dwa_> i learned a lot about linux using gentoo
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: I saw a test done in Australia where a gentoo guru and a slack guru both set up identical boxen - guess what was faster?
<flawd> i dont care for a response I just made my point
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: prolly slack
<flawd> another linux user who sent it in
<Myrtti> since you're asking
<flawd> all I can do and I did it
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: you guessed correctly :)
<dwa_> :)
<Myrtti> I'm a genious, I knew that :->
<crschmid1> Anyway.
<flawd> Quinn_Storm, heh. yeah *hands out the hayforks*
<shmoolik> okay i must say that this guide  done the job of the codecs problem with out adding unstable debz ( "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo" )
<johnnybezak> thank crap firefox has an update
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: so did we all ;-)
<johnnybezak> last version was unstable alicious
<Quinn_Storm> I haven't exactly had speed problems on my (k)ubuntu install so
<flawd> (is that an english word? hayfork? tried a direct translation)
<crschmid1> Why does my machine release its IP every 6 hours and fetch a new one, even though it's set to be static?
<Quinn_Storm> I think you want pitchfork
<Quinn_Storm> but I get what you mean
<flawd> good enough
<JeanJean> thoreaupu: what about vector vs ubuntu ?
<thoreauputic> crschmid1: talk to your ISP
<dwa_> count me in flawd
<thoreauputic> JeanJean: don't know
* flawd hands out some testosterone boosting pills also
<kalis> Oooh! Im so happy, they are buying pizza for everybody at work today ;)
<thoreauputic> JeanJean: does it really matter so much?
<kqj> crschmid1, why you run dhcp if it's static ? stop it ? (if it's a daemon like suse, i don't have a ubuntu installed right now)
<JeanJean> I just want i new system
<flawd> yay kalis
* Quinn_Storm passes on those....doesn't exactly want any extra testosterone in her body
<JeanJean> stable and fast OS
<dwa_> kalis ...
<kqj> i eat pizza every day ...
<Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: _o/ \o_
<thoreauputic> JeanJean: the differences are minuscule and insignificant
<flawd> Quinn_Storm, heh. you could grow a sexy beard to summer
<JeanJean> and not to compiling stuff
<Myrtti> me too
<topyli> kalis: probably means you'll all be sacked this afternoon :)
<JeanJean> ok thx
* Quinn_Storm meeps!
<kqj> no other kind of food-seller near my workplace :(
<thoreauputic> JeanJean: if you want fast, use lean and mean apps
<crschmid1> thoreauputic: The lease is coming from the router, which sends 7 day leases, and the other debian box behind the router doesn't have the same problem.
<flawd> topyli, hah
<flawd> wb membreya
<crschmid1> thoreauputic: besides which, if /etc/network/interfaces is set to be static, why the hell is it asking for a DHCP lease anyway?
<topyli> pessimism rules
<thoreauputic> crschmid1: I see
<rizla> hello folks
<rizla> anybody can help me?
<flawd> I want one of those dispair calendars
<kalis> topyli, yeah probably ;) we are going on a holliday cruise also this weekend ;) so i think we are pretty safe
<motuline> why ubuntu freezes when I run 3d apps..
<crschmid1> kqj: There's nothing running in ps -AH that says dhcp
<flawd> rizla, state the problem please
<motuline> I can run them about 10minutes and then my computer freezes
<topyli> kalis: sounds pretty bad ;)
<crschmid1> ah, dhclient
<rizla> i have a .ppt file, it's 71 pagg long..
<kalis> topyli, hehe!
<kqj> crschmid1, wait, i boot my test machine with ubuntu (mine is hoary,  yours ?)
<crschmid1> kqj: got it
<rizla> i'd like to print 3-4 pagg per pag
<crschmid1> kqj: good thought, no idea why I didn't think of that before
<rizla> (im sorry for my english..
<rizla> I hope you understand me..
<flawd> rizla, you want 3-4 copies of the total 71 page document?
<dwa_> rizla no problem, we've got a lot of non-natives here
<Quinn_Storm> no, rizla wants to print 3-4 pages of the document per physical page
<flawd> non-natives heh
<dwa_> :)
<rizla> Quinn_Storm,  You're right
<flawd> scaled down so 3-4 pages fits on one printed out page?
<Quinn_Storm> exactly
<rizla> yes
<flawd> oh
<kqj> rizla, print passing trough kdeprint (if you're using cups), it shows you all the options in a nice gui
<crschmidt> alright. hopefully that will fix the issues.
<rizla> i use gnome. is it the same?
<kqj> install kdeprint, it worked for me
<dwa_> why don't you use epiphany crschmidt ?
<rizla> ok, i'll try. tanx a lot
<xiglet> what is the difference between ubuntu hoary array-7 and hoary preview?
<kqj> the in the "print command" of your apps set kdeprint (basically this is the idea, it will nedd some tweaking)
<thoreauputic> xiglet: array 7 is the more recent
<rizla> ok. thank you kgj
<crschmidt> dwa_: wtf is epiphany?
<thoreauputic> epiphany-browser ?
<johnnybezak> the gnome browser
<crschmidt> Does it have support for Firefox extensions?
<dwa_> it's based on firefox
<dwa_> but with better gnome integration
<crschmidt> You didn't answer my questoin :)
<Quinn_Storm> no it doesn't
<crschmidt> THe last time I tried epiphany, it didn't support extensions.
<Quinn_Storm> it still doesn't
<thoreauputic> dwa_: it's less configurable than firefox, though
<dwa_> yes
<crschmidt> Since I have 3 I wrote myself and a dozen others I use daily, I have no desire for firefox
<crschmidt> er,
<crschmidt> epiphany
<crschmidt> Plus, why would I switch from Firefox anyway?
<crschmidt> And I don't use gnome.
<kqj> mh, so it's based on firefox, with better gnome integration and no firefox integration ! ;)
<thoreauputic> dwa_: i think you have your answer... ;-)
<dwa_> hehe :)
<dwa_> so why are you using galeon then?
<crschmidt> ... I'm not?
<crschmidt> I think you got me confused with someone else or something.
<thoreauputic> dwa_: cut it out :)
<johnnybezak> i used epiphany recently cos firefox was being a prick
<crschmidt> I use Firefox in evilwm
<DyGyTyL> omfg
<thoreauputic> dwa_: membreya was using galeon
<DyGyTyL> you use evilwm?! i didn't know there were others out there :D
<crschmidt> DyGyTyL: yep
<dwa_> oooooh sorry crschmidt
<DyGyTyL> you rock:P
<crschmidt> DyGyTyL: my ex roomate introduced me to it
<crschmidt> DyGyTyL: he wrote the window snapping code for it
<DyGyTyL> wow, sweet..i've been using that for eons as far back as i can remember
<thoreauputic> membreya: wb :)
<membreya> sorry guys, had to figure out my imwheelrc file to work with firefox :)
<flawd> why is the gnome notes always ontop of the other windows?
<membreya> and it appears...galeon is the culprit :(
<membreya> danke thoreauputic :)
* crschmidt has no scrollwheel
<topyli> am i dreaming or is hoary gnome becoming more unstable? gnome-terminal and evolution at least are crashing more than appropriate
<crschmidt> or even a second button
<membreya> with galeon, it tended to be when I clicked a link or scrolled down :|
<crschmidt> just one giant clear button
<thoreauputic> membreya: pas de quoi, monsieur
<crschmidt> (my normal wireless mouse batteries died, so I'm using the optical apple mouse i nabbed from my mac mini)
<topyli> flawd: in 2.10 that's what they do
<flawd> topyli, that sucks
<membreya> you called me WHAT thoreauputic ?!
<topyli> flawd: i guess, if you don't want it that way :)
<farruinn> crschmidt: you know that f12 and f11 are mapped to buttons 2 and 3, right?
<thoreauputic> membreya: hehe - babelfish  <<
<flawd> I think generally 2.10 is worse than earlier versions this far
<membreya> thoreauputic: babelfish = "not what"
<membreya> flawd: no problems here
<flawd> topyli, I want the option to have them eithr on top or not, not that someone decides that its best that the eventual notes I want shall always cover my current application so I can not see some important thing on it
<crschmidt> farruinn: they don't seem to be in gnome-terminal
<thoreauputic> membreya: it's a french way of saying "think nothing of it" when thanked ( danke in german, yes?)
<Lightboy> hey is there a way of updating my kernel just using apt?
<Myrtti> yes
<Lightboy> how?
<topyli> flawd: they probably think you want to hide them or show them. that's why there's an extra item in the notes applet menu
<membreya> thoreauputic: yes indeed :)
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: apt-cache search linux-image
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: choose one for your cpu type
<topyli> flawd: or they want everyone to migrate to tomboy :)
<flawd> topyli, umm what extra menuitem? there is no "Hide notes" or something here
<membreya> omg thoreauputic ..I've FINALLY found a etymological answer to the phrase mollydooker!
<shmoolik> okay i get this error when i aptget update GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
<shmoolik> should i b worryed?
<dwa_> no shmoolik
<thoreauputic> membreya: do tell :)
<topyli> flawd: left click the applet. there's "new note" and "hide/show"
<dwa_> it's OK
<flawd> ah
<dwa_> but you can get rid of it
<shmoolik> dwa_,  okay thanks
<Lightboy> thoreauputic: will this download a whole image
<shmoolik> how can i rid of it ?
<flawd> leftclicking
<flawd> :)
<topyli> heh
<gabb> Is there a way to make apt ignore the missing public key for the os-works.com site (XFCE4.2) ?
<topyli> ancient craft
<Lightboy> coz i hav just put on hoary hedge hog like 2 days ago
<flawd> leftclicking menues always feels odd to me
<dwa_> shmoolik : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: when you apt-get the appropriate one, it will install a new kernel for you
<flawd> for applets and things
<Lightboy> righto
<topyli> flawd: speaking of tomboy, installing it will take 41.9 M of disk space on my box. hmm.
<shmoolik> dwa_,  thanks
<membreya> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-mol2.htm <-- next time someone calls me mollydooker, I'm going to smack them one
<spacey> anyone with amd64 here?
<membreya> spacey: yup
<flawd> topyli, never heard of it
<flawd> is it a notes app on steroids?
<topyli> flawd: yeah, wiki steroids
<spacey> is it correct that the openoffice.org2 packages are broken?
<thoreauputic> membreya: looking now
<spacey> for amd64
<membreya> yep spacey
<flawd> topyli, need to check it out
<topyli> flawd: jdub called it the "ultimate sticky wiki" :)
<membreya> it won't let you install the -core for OO.o2
<topyli> never was very stable here
<spacey> also tomboy isn't available for amd64 it seems
<flawd> for 40 megs it has to ROCK
<flawd> or i'll sue heh
<Lightboy> so do i just go apt-get linux-image-2.6.11-1-amd64-generic
<spacey> membreya, yeah
<topyli> spacey: might be a mono problem
<topyli> more generally
<spacey> topyli, ah yes, mono didn't work for amd64 i remember
<spacey> someone said that
<membreya> Lightboy: get amd64-k8
<flawd> oh well bbl. have a nice day all
<membreya> cya flawd :)
<dwa_> ciao flawd-afk
<Lightboy> so not generic then
<thoreauputic> membreya: haha - a bit homphobic, are we ;-)
<thoreauputic> *homophobic
<thoreauputic> re: mollydooker
<Lightboy> membreya: i get the following error when i type in apt-get linux-image-2.6.11-1-amd68-k8
<topyli> flawd-afk: tomboy is probably 100K but you need mono which is big
<Lightboy> e:invalid operation linux-image02.6.11-1-amd64-k8
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: apt-get install *
<kqj> apt-get install ?
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: and amd68 ??
<membreya> you lookin at me funny thoreauputic ?! >:(
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: I assume it's atypo
<scandium> does anybody know if bittorrent downloads bit by bit or what it can get? e.g. can I start a download with bittorrent and finish it with wget?
<Lightboy> yeah
<membreya> thoreauputic: I work at a call centre.... :|
<membreya> scandium: it gets what it can
* thoreauputic caresses mambreya suggestively
<thoreauputic> *grin*
<scandium> trying to download array7 via bt but it's awfully slow :)
<membreya> you can tell it to get the first bits first IF it can
<kresten> Hi there! I can't apply iconschemes downloaded from gnome-look.org... Can anybody help me?
<Lightboy> cheer
<ermo> my nautilus has started 'hanging' as soon as it touches my $home (nfs) it just starts allocating memory
<Lightboy> s
<StoffBox-Steve> someone here i have a prob with a USB harddrive
<thoreauputic> kresten: dump them in ~/.icons
* membreya glares at thoreauputic 
<flawd-afk> topyli, launching tomboy the cursor is just blinking for 2 min then it exits saying "all done ciao!" and nothing appears in the notification area
<flawd-afk> great app *sarcasm*
<StoffBox-Steve> i see the harddrive, and can access the data but i cant write new stuff od the disk :( someone an idea why ?
* thoreauputic puts on a nonchalent air and looks away whistling 
<flawd-afk> well worth the 40 megs :)
<topyli> flawd-afk: it's an applet
<kqj> StoffBox-Steve, maybe is mounted readonly
<flawd-afk> topyli, man tomboy said launching tomboy with no options would put it in notification area
<thoreauputic> hmm s/nonchalent/nonchalant
<Guest> hi
<StoffBox-Steve> is was auotmatic mouten ... who to i change that kqj ?
* membreya sasheys towards thoreauputic 
<sakarya> hi all..
<topyli> flawd-afk: ah. well, i just load the applet and it sits there
<topyli> as long as it doesn't crash
<kqj> <StoffBox-Steve> ... I don't know ;P I never let stuff automounts itself...
<kqj> try unmount and manually mount it
<flawd-afk> topyli, well, perhaps a restart of gnome will let me add it to panel
<topyli> flawd-afk: just kill the panel and let it respawn
<ermo> would anyone know why (or help me find out) why my nautilus has suddenly gone berserk, gobbing up tons of VM while being utterly unresponsive?
<flawd-afk> wtf am I doing? I need to do real life stuff
<flawd-afk> bbl lol
<virtuald> how do i restart polypaudio after it crashed without restarting gnome?
<kqj> <StoffBox-Steve> cat /etc/mtab to see how is mounted
<Rattboi> aoss polypaudio ?
<Rattboi> depends on how you're doing stuff
<Rattboi> could just be "polypaudio" at terminal will work
* topyli looks for "real life" in gnome-dictionary
<crimsun> polypaudio has alsa sources and sinks
<crimsun> it's futile to wrap the daemon with aoss
<StoffBox-Steve> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) << @ hqj is that the usbdrive ... i access it over media:/sda1
<virtuald> Rattboi: will it works but it insists on running in the foreground
<crimsun> virtuald: that was a change adopted fairly recently before polypaudio was reverted to esd for the release
<virtuald> ok
<chickenman> hey every one
<crimsun> virtuald: it should be enough to open a terminal emulator and execute ,,polypaudio'' in it
<virtuald> mkay
<thoreauputic> heh - the man himself just paid a visit to #kubuntu :)
<thoreauputic> a quick one, to be sure...
<keffo> hm, gnome uses 'metacity' as standard rigth?
<keffo> is there any good app for adding those themes
<keffo> or most likley good to use the 'theme' in system-tag
<keffo> tab
<StoffBox-Steve> ok how to mount the usb drive with wirte access ?
<Myrtti> wirte?
<thoreauputic> keffo: you can just drag and drop themes onto the theme dialogue
<keffo> okok
<keffo> thats good to hear
<keffo> but whats the main difference between metacity and GTK?
<keffo> currently im surinf at www.gnome-look.org
<thoreauputic> keffo: it *usually* works ;-)
<keffo> ;P
<keffo> brb, poop
<shmoolik> does some one knows if there is any package for adobe acrobat 7 ?
<Myrtti> shmoolik: why do you need especially Adobe Acrobat?
<Myrtti> cause there really is not that much need for it
<crimsun> shmoolik: yes, there exists acroread, but I highly recommend evince as an alternative.
<shmoolik> Myrtti,  yeah i tryed the othere pdf reads... and they not as good as
<chickenman> acrobat = slow and rubbish
<shmoolik> yeah i really liked evince but it allways get stuck on my machine i don't know y  =\
<kaouete> hi
<thoreauputic> chickenman: that was my experience with acroread too - the new one may be quicker I believe
<kaouete> when installing a hoary, what package is crating the xorg.conf ? xserver-xorg ? (i want to be sure :)
<shmoolik> thoreauputic,  yeah it is!!!
<chickenman> acroread is great :)
<membreya> well ..system just locked with firefox as well :\ ..going to try not using squid :| ...this is annoying it's not a hard lock per se..but once it freezes, it takes about 2 minutes to draw one line from irc
<thoreauputic> shmoolik: the old one used to go to 100% cpu and slow my box to a crawl, so I ditched it (this is a couple of years ago though)
<StoffBox-Steve> how to i change the access mode of mount drive ?
<keffo> thoreauputic, check www.gnome-look.org, whats the difference between metacity and gtk1/2 ?
<keffo> whats best to use. mh
<keffo> i dunno?
<keffo> ;P
<thoreauputic> keffo: metacity is the window manager
<thoreauputic> keffo: gtk is the widget set
<shmoolik> thoreauputic,  i m sorry for ya man =\ but that is the case with me when i m trying to lunch evince
<thoreauputic> metacity themes are for window frames etc
* chickenman eats a banana :P
<no0tic> hi membreya
<membreya> nope, still got a lockup :|
<membreya> hi no0tic :)
<membreya> how goes the k7?
<shmoolik> thoreauputic,  i read about it an finly i thought that i have found the altimant PDF reader ther is =\
<no0tic> membreya: I filed a bug for the scaling problem
<shmoolik> i still do .... but not  on my machine
<no0tic> membreya: and someone else added the same problem for k8 arch
<UglyP> Hello ladies and gents. I have a quick question here, regarding apt-get and the synaptic package manager. I have glib 2.4.7 installed, and currently there is no update available in the repository. When ever i run the config it finishes, but it dosen't update my glib, as its still recognised as 2.4.7. Does anyone know anything about this and how I can get around? Any help would be appreciated! :D
<no0tic> membreya: there's a work-around though
<thoreauputic> UglyP: you have some special need for glib newer than 2.4.7 ?
<crimsun> I'm not sure I understand what UglyP is asking.
<UglyP> (Im a newbie so bear with me!) I want to run gdesklets, but apparently I have to upgrade a whole lot of libraries to run the newest version :(
<membreya> gah
<crimsun> UglyP: try the Array-7 Hoary milestone
<membreya> i keep locking up going to a particular site
<UglyP> whats that? (sorry but ive only been using linux a few days)
* thoreauputic has trouble understanding the attraction of gdesklets
<crimsun> UglyP: Hoary is the next stable release of Ubuntu - out in a few weeks
<thoreauputic> but then, I like fluxbox so...
<kaouete> hehe
<crimsun> enjoying 0.9.11?
<UglyP> Can I upgrade to that using APT?
<Chipzz> UglyP: are you trying to compile gdesklets?
<thoreauputic> crimsun: I have 0.9.12 :)
<crimsun> UglyP: absolutely :)
<crimsun> thoreauputic: heh, it's not even packaged for Sid yet
<kaouete> Chipzz: why dont you just do apt-get install gdeskelts ?
<crimsun> rather, not in pool
<Chipzz> kaouete: I'm not trying to install gdesklets
<thoreauputic> crimsun: I compiled it and did a deb with checkinstall :)
<UglyP> yeah..and failing miserably.
<Chipzz> kaouete: UglyP is
<kaouete> Chipzz: right :)
<kaouete> forget me ^^
<crimsun> thoreauputic: uupdate(1) would have been better =)
<UglyP> kaouete: I have done that, but gdesklets wouldnt run!
<kaouete> UglyP: why dont you just install gdesklets with apt ?
<UglyP> see above :D
<kaouete> hhhm, how can it be possible ?
<thoreauputic> crimsun: uupdate(1) ?
<crimsun> thoreauputic: yes, part of the 'devscripts' package.
<thoreauputic> ah !
* thoreauputic looks for devscripts in apt-cache
<Elsidox> is there a way to edit the menus in gnome?
<crimsun> Elsidox: in Warty, yes. in Hoary, no, not currently.
<Elsidox> crimsun, damnit. Whys that? =)
<crimsun> Elsidox: various upstream decisions
<thoreauputic> crimsun: devscripts looks a bit intimidating for a non-programmer ;)
<crimsun> thoreauputic: well, use whatever works for you, of course :-)
<memcmeme> how do you run a binary shell script?
<thoreauputic> crimsun: :)
<memcmeme> ut2004-lnx-demo3334.run
<memcmeme> that is the file name
<Elsidox> crimsun, I dont know what you mean by upstream decisions but thanks for your time. :)
<crimsun> memcmeme: sh ut2004-lnx-demo3334.run
<memcmeme> thanks
<thoreauputic> Elsidox: it's out of their hands - gnome decisions I guess
<crimsun> Elsidox: developers decided that the functionality was worth removing
<membreya> ok this is driving me crazy!
<thoreauputic> crimsun: wish I'd been a fly on the wall at *that* meeting :/
<memcmeme> this is screwed up
<thoreauputic> membreya: any bug reports for galeon on amd64?
<memcmeme> it says no such file or directory
<memcmeme> and I am looking at the bugger on my desktop
<membreya> thoreauputic: it seems to be both firefox and galeon freezing...stopping squid makes no difference
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: try sh <nameoffile>
<memcmeme> thats what I have been doing
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: from the directory
<membreya> the only thing I can find is that after 3 or 4 of these freezes, my harddrive runs incredibly slow until it gets back into gdm (ie grub takes about 5 seconds to even load the menu)
<thoreauputic> cd Desktop ?
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: ^^
<ermo> crimsun, come again: menu-editing was *removed*?
<memcmeme> it won't let me cd /desktop
<membreya> thoreauputic: I have top running in the background now to see if anything is stealing the CPU
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: capital D
<memcmeme> /home/kevin # cd /desktop
<memcmeme> bash: cd: /desktop: No such file or directory
<memcmeme> root@T1000:/home/kevin #
<crimsun> ermo: Hoary.
<membreya> memcmeme: it's cd Desktop ...case sensitive
<membreya> needs to be a capital D
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: *nix is case sensitive
<memcmeme> no good
<ermo> crimsun, ... but ... huh?!? (I'm on hoary atm)
<memcmeme> still says no such file or directory
<chickenman> cd /root/Desktop ?
<Myrtti> ls -la
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: what does pwd say ?
<crimsun> ermo: I'm referring to applications:///
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: type  pwd
<membreya> memcmeme: ...if you can't even use cd, I think you're going to get lost very quickly
<thoreauputic> and tell us the output
<thoreauputic> membreya: he's absolutely new
<memcmeme> I am using the bloody thing
<memcmeme> I navigated from /
<memcmeme> to home
<ermo> crimsun, so, I won't be able to customize my menu anymore?
<StoffBox-Steve> ok guys plz help .... i have a USb-drive on /media/sdb1 - /dev/sdb1/ .... but i can only read it... how to i change the access so i can write data to the usb drive ?
<memcmeme> then from home it wotn let me enter anything else
<memcmeme> ls shows that it exists
<ermo> crimsun, or is there another way?
<memcmeme> but the damn thing says it does't when I type cd /Desktop
<ermo> crimsun, (hope you don't mind me asking)
<membreya> memcmeme: no / on the Desktop
<crimsun> ermo: you can use .desktop files
<membreya> from the home directory it's just cd Desktop
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: cd /home/username
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: /home belongs to root
<memcmeme> ok that worked
<memcmeme> why no / for desktop?
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you want *your* home dir
<UglyP> what are your thoughts on hoary? is it worth upgrading to before it becomes a stable release?
<membreya> memcmeme: because /Desktop would imply that it's in the root filesystem
<crimsun> UglyP: in my experience, yes
<memcmeme> oh ok
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: when you are in the dir , you just type the name of the dir
<chickenman> cd /    then cd /home/Desktop
<Myrtti> UglyP: quite usable at this stage already
<UglyP> im about to take the plunge, just doing some research first!
<Myrtti> chickenman: whhaaaa
<chickenman> :|
<ermo> crimsun, ah ok. Now it makes sense.
<memcmeme> thank you :)
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: in your home dir,  /Desktop would be a subdirectory
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: Desktop/
<memcmeme> ok
<mjt> ./Desktop ;)
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: oops - yes
<StoffBox-Steve> noone can help me ? ... arg the guys behind me ... there kill me ..... .
<memcmeme> well its installing now :)
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: your genius is showing again ;-)
<keffo> thoreauputic, what do you mean with widgit?
<keffo> get
<thoreauputic> or my stupidity, or both....
<keffo> *
<thoreauputic> keffo: umm- the pretty bits in the windows ;-)
<keffo> oh ok
<keffo> ;Pthen
<keffo> hehe
<Myrtti> thoreauputic: no, my nitpicking skills
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: important for an aspiring programmer :)
<Myrtti> yes, I think so too :->
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: you debugged my error ;-)
<chickenman> C++ = pwn :P
<shmoolik> can some one help to configure my printer?
* thoreauputic runs screaming at the mention of "printer"
<shmoolik> i can't print the test page =\
<chickenman> shmoolik / whats your printer ?
<shmoolik> HP DeskJet 815C
<shmoolik> i have cofigured all that on the printer wizzard
<chickenman> open printing on the system config menu
<chickenman> all of it you sure you entered it all right ?
<matt_> I have win xp installed on my system drive, and ubuntu installed on the slave, but the slave cant see the master and vice versa, and i want to partition the larger disk with a media drive that both OS's can see
<shmoolik> chickenman,  done
<shmoolik> chickenman,  yeah
<chickenman> ok hang on
<matt_> Is that possible
<shmoolik> exapt from the usb port
<chickenman> is your printer on there ?
<Burgundavia> keffo: you got the fix for libfontconfig1 yet?
<keffo> thoreauputic, whats the dir for GDM-styles?
<keffo> Burgundavia, nope
<keffo> still same errors etc
<shmoolik> chickenman,  yeah *
<chickenman> you using USB to plug it in ?
<keffo> guess ill have to wait for next update
<shmoolik> yeah double checked
<chickenman> USB not good with linux
<farruinn> keffo: when was the last time you updated?
<farruinn> keffo: I think a fix has been uploaded
<crimsun> [certain usb devices?] 
<keffo> oh ok
<keffo> farruinn, u had the asme problem?
<shmoolik> =\ but all my thingys r connected throgh USB
<thoreauputic> keffo: type `locate gdm | grep -i themes
<keffo> thank you
<farruinn> keffo: no, but I *just* upgraded
<matt_> can anyone help me?
<chickenman> mmmm well i won't know what to do i don't plug in my printer with USB
<keffo> looks like there are some update
<Burgundavia> keffo: update your machine now
<keffo> im doing it
<keffo> ;p
<matt_> I have win xp installed on my system drive, and ubuntu installed on the slave, but the slave cant see the master and vice versa, and i want to partition the larger disk with a media drive that both OS's can see
<topyli> what was the esd.conf hack to make it play nicely with non-esd games?
<farruinn> matt_: winxp won't mount the ubuntu drive (there may be some freeware that allows you to)
<farruinn> matt_: you can mount the windows drive though
<farruinn> in ubuntu
<keffo> hm, im curious if this works.
<topyli> matt_: use fat32
<keffo> im listening to the sound of a digging HDD, trying to guess.. is it working or not
<keffo> ;P
<matt_> I cant partition the ubuntu drie and format it as like.. ntfs?
<keffo> Burgundavia, wanna bet some moneys? ;p
<Myrtti> matt_: not with XP
<keffo> AND ubuntu did it again, this fucking rocks to be honest.
<keffo> bugfixes just a couple of hours later
<keffo> works fine now
<keffo> ;p
<topyli> matt_: no, make a different partition, format it fat32 and both systems can use it
<keffo> thanks for telling me to be patient
<keffo> ;P
<farruinn> matt_: linux can only read from ntfs, no write
<matt_> Can i make it on the ubuntu drive?
<matt_> XCause its the larger one
<shmoolik> chickenman,  okay thanks man
<keffo> hm, i dont need postfix as long as im not running any mailserver or so?
<matt_> it wouldnt let me install to a partition
<thoreauputic> keffo: you need it for local stuff
<keffo> okok
<matt_> it wanted the whole drive
<keffo> there should be a list of everything unecessary ;p
<Hayden> what rocks
<farruinn> keffo: heh, that's why they made the ubuntu-desktop package
<Hayden> wtf
<keffo> ubuntu etc
<keffo> ;P;P
<UglyP> Anybody else wanna help me with something else haha. I have changed the instances of "warty" to hoary" in the sources list of APT, but am recieving the following error: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] /dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CDs
<UglyP> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] /dists/unstable/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CDs
<UglyP> Reading Package Lists... Done
<UglyP> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
<thoreauputic> Hayden: the speed of fixes
<UglyP> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
<UglyP> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
<UglyP> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
<Hayden> ahh ok
<UglyP> p.s sorry for the flood :(
<keffo> you shouldnt use CD ;P
<membreya> UglyP: ...#flood next time
<UglyP> sorry guys
<thoreauputic> UglyP: #flood or a pastebin
<Hayden> ban him !!! :)
<membreya> burn the witch!
<memcmeme> whats going on?
<thoreauputic> Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
<matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
<memcmeme> **looks aroudn confused**
<UglyP> I suppose its something to do with the deb cdrom: line at the top of the sources list (how astute of me) but i still dont know what to to do haha.
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you aren't meant to paste in the channel like that :)
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: hence the humour and warnings to UglyP
<memcmeme> where do you past?
<matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
<djp> anyone know hwy i am getting messages when apt-get update tries to upgrade libslp1?
<membreya> memcmeme: you paste in #flood
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: in #flood or a pastebin URL
<membreya> so you tell people to look in #flood
<Myrtti> djp: what kind of messages
<memcmeme> ahh
<membreya> thoreauputic: ...complete newy remember..let's not get into pastebin :)
<keffo> Burgundavia, hm, i installed unrar-nonfree to open newer .rar-archives.. whats the easiest way to get my system to recognize to open .rar files with unrar
<djp> message is debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
<thoreauputic> membreya: right :)
<matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
<djp> debconf: (TERM is not set, so the dialog frontend is not usable.)
<UglyP> do u want me to paste it into flood now? would appreciate the help :D
<djp> debconf: (This frontend requires a controlling tty.)
<membreya> UglyP: you have a 30minute help ban :P
<chickenman> LOL
<UglyP> Oh poo.
<UglyP> Haha
<djp> that is basically the main bulk of the message
<thoreauputic> UglyP: and a pair of burning underpants
<thoreauputic> ;)
<membreya> hehe
<UglyP> WHO TOLD YOU?!
<farruinn> djp: you might try 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf'
<UglyP> :D
<farruinn> djp: choose something other than "dialog"
<qball> is it correct that the latest hoary kernel (686) doesnt have inotify?
<thoreauputic> qball: yes
<djp> farruinn: what is it best to choose?
<membreya> qball: ..they couldn't fix the problem with gam-serv so they just disabled it by default :P
<thoreauputic> qball: it caused untold havoc ;)
<membreya> you can still compile it yourself though
<qball> grrrr
<farruinn> djp: I can't remember what the options are specifically, ncurses/text or something like that
<qball> I am lazy
<qball> don't want to compile myself.
<membreya> too bad, so sad then qball :)
<qball> can't it be a module?
<da_bon_bon> membreya: what does qball want ?
<farruinn> qball: you don't give matches to children do you?
<chickenman> :D
<qball> farruinn: why not? the might wanna light a candle
<Myrtti> da_bon_bon: inotify
<membreya> da_bon_bon: ..he wants inotify to come as a default again with the kernel
<djp> farruinn: the choices on offer to me are Dialog, Readline, Gnome, KDE, Editor and Noninteractive
<thoreauputic> qball: only with adult supervision ;-)
<farruinn> djp: readline then
<membreya> ...I suppose so he can laugh at the 90% of the people that were getting lockups
<farruinn> djp: that should be the safest
<djp> farruinn: thanks. what has that actually done/cured?
<da_bon_bon> membreya: whats the use ? it crashes my system
<membreya> da_bon_bon: ..that's the point of disabling it :P
<thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: so we were trying to explain...
<da_bon_bon> qball: then why do u wanna enable it ?
<farruinn> djp: it's the interface debconf uses when it's configuring packages.  Readline shouldn't cause problems because it's just text
<thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I assume he needs it
<chickenman> chickenman.zapto.org :P
<memcmeme> I still cannot get over these sound drivers!
<crimsun> bad? good?
<matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
<farruinn> matt_: yes but it will require reinstalling ubuntu
<memcmeme> Amazing, I had to install a bunch of MB drivers then the audio drivers on windows, with a Fu<ing reboot between each section using Windows
<membreya> matt_: yes, but you will need to go to drive manager in XP to enable access to it (ie allocate a drive letter in windows)
<memcmeme> and these generic drivers work as well as the complex ones
<djp> farruinn: it is now asking me what priority I should set, critical high, medium or low. which is the best to choose?
<djp> farruinn: it has defaulted to high
<farruinn> djp: medium is fine but it's your preference really
<chickenman> critical ;)
<djp> farruinn: ok
<farruinn> that'd just be a pain :)
<matt_> okay last time i tried to install ubuntu on a partition it said there was no root file system spexcified or something and the only thing that made it install was the guided partition of the whole disk... what do i do to kewep the partitions
<thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: actually some open source drivers are*better*
<thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: highly motivated coders
<Myrtti> hifi purists
* membreya is happy with his ac97 sound card :P
<thor|caffeine-in> Myrtti: yes, a lot of the audio coders would be hi-fi types, I'm sure
<memcmeme> sweet
<memcmeme> what does one do with a .bin file?
<thor|caffeine-in> Myrtti: scratching their itch :)
* qball is not happy with his sound card.
<qball> stupid non hw-mixing laptop cards
<thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: what is the file?
<membreya> got a nice set of logitech speakers...and I bought my gf a set of altec lansing speakers (I don't see the point of having a 5.1 speaker set on a PC when my room is 17ft long :P)
<memcmeme> RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
<thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: did you read the instructions? ;-)
<thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: first you make it executable
<keffo> asd
<cosimo> Hi! ;)
<matt_> okay last time i tried to install ubuntu on a partition it said there was no root file system spexcified or something and the only thing that made it install was the guided partition of the whole disk... what do i do to kewep the partitions
<shmoolik> how can i know through which USB my printer is connected?
<thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: chmod +x <filename>      (use tab complete on the name)
<qball> shmoolik: why do you need to know
<shmoolik> i want to connect my printer
<shmoolik> and Ubuntu printer wizrad ask me that ...
<chickenman> get a printer that don't use USB
<memcmeme> done
<djp> farruinn: just noticed that when an update is being reported using apt-get it always has to fall back to teletype. Readline has this message debconf: (This frontend requires a controlling tty. How do i set it to Teletype? is that the Editor choice?
<qball> hmmm I uses gnome-cups-manager never had problems.
<shmoolik> HEHE chickenman  its nor pasable ... i need to print to day =\
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: to run it from the directory, type  ./<filename>
<qball> isnt it /deb/usb/lp0 or something.. or /dev/usblp0
<thoreauputic> dot slash
<matt_> Okay. Let me make it a YES OR NO question. Is it possible to partition the drive Ubuntu is on without blowing it away?
<memcmeme> oh
<membreya> matt_: yes it is
<johnnybezak> hey guys i want a terminal to load and show a greeting then stay there, when i type gnome-terminal -e welcomescript it just loads then dissapears how do i make it stay there?
<shmoolik> qball,  i don't  know .... i m not that good on linux =\
<memcmeme> the instruction popped up in a different window when I clicked on them
<chickenman> shmoolik / can you plug you printer in any other way ?
<memcmeme> so I did not see them
<memcmeme> thanks
<shmoolik> chickenman,  no
<matt_> Ok. How?
<farruinn> djp: are  you running it from a normal terminal?
<membreya> matt_: did you allocate free space for it before you tried to install ?
<qball> shmoolik: doesnt the wizard give a hint?
<matt_> I did try to install to a partition
<matt_> but it said no root file system
<shmoolik> qball,  no =\
<membreya> matt_: you're not listening to my question :P
<shmoolik> i can only pick one from 12
<edulix> hi !
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you're aware firefox will open links in a tab if you middle click them, right ?
<qball> aaah how are they called
<djp> farruinn: i receive that message in the report that i get in my mbox. i am using an automatic update as recommended here http://ubuntuguide.org/#autoupdate
<matt_> Can you rephrase the question?
<qball> USB printer 1
<shmoolik> USB Printer #num
<edulix> is it needed to fsck my filesystems eevery boot ?
<qball> just take the first one
<shmoolik> i have
<farruinn> djp: oooh... in that case I would choose "noninteractive"
<qball> that should work.
<shmoolik> and it does not even print mt the test page =\ qball
<memcmeme> no
<membreya> matt_: before you installed linux (ubuntu), in windows did you use something like partition magic to allocate some free space by resizing your existing partitions?
<thoreauputic> edulix: no
<qball> hmmm
<djp> farruinn: ok, thanks
<qball> shmoolik: does dmesg report anything?
<memcmeme> ok
<memcmeme> there is not a realplayer folder on my desktop
<memcmeme> that I cannot move or get rid of
<matt_> Yes.  I did. But Ubuntu blew that partition away
<matt_> because it said it had no root file system and oculd not install
<membreya> membreya: sudo rm -rf Desktop/<folder name>
<shmoolik> qball,  wait a sec ... now i can c on USB Printer 1 (deskjet )
<matt_> so I gave it the whole drive
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: oh - you installed directly from desktop?
<membreya> hmmm nfi then matt :| mine has always worked fine
<memcmeme> yeah
<matt_> I have 2 physical drives
<Myrtti> that's true, btw. The partition thingie is quite hard to use
<chickenman> chickenman.zapto.org :P
<memcmeme> how do I move it
<shmoolik> qball,  how can i c the dmesg ?
<Myrtti> I managed to bork up my partitions serveral times
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: hmm - for future referene, it's better to download to a dir in your home directory
<membreya> memcmeme: : sudo rm -rf Desktop/<folder name> (if you want to delete it)
<qball> shmoolik: type dmesg
<chickenman> memcmeme / login as root
<edulix> thoreauputic: I've seen that checkfs.sh fsck my filesystems every boot. should/can I disable it ?
<membreya> shmoolik: dmesg? :)
<thoreauputic> membreya: it contains a binary I'd say
<memcmeme> I tried that
<memcmeme> it wont let me
<matt_> Does that no answer the question?
<thoreauputic> edulix: that's very odd
<chickenman> memcmeme / theres a way that lets you login as root but i've fogot it
<shmoolik> the only thingy about a USB is this massage usbcore: registered new driver usblp
<qball> shmoolik: what does lpq say
<memcmeme> I have a root terminal open
<membreya> chickenman / memcmeme : sudo -s
<shmoolik> DeskJet-815C is ready and printing
<shmoolik> Rank    Owner   Job     File(s)                         Total Size
<shmoolik> active  shmooli 20      Test Page                       153600 bytes
<Madiba> hello iners
<Madiba> liners'
<membreya> if you are logged in as root..you are god and nothing will stop you removing a directory...you can even remove ALL your files
<shmoolik> DAMN sorry aboout this flood*
<matt_> Do you think you could simply direct me to a useful website for partitioning ubuntu's drive?
<keffo> nanana
<qball> smurfslay: hmmm so cups thinks it printing.
<Madiba> ] any south africans in here
<shmoolik> matt_,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
<shmoolik> matt_,  GL
<qball> what does http://localhost:631/printers/
<memcmeme> Ok
<qball> say (first go to the printer
<qball> )
<memcmeme> got rid of it
<edulix> thoreauputic: it fsck only when doesn't exist /fastboot right ?
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: your realplay probably won't play now
<Madiba> can any one give a newbie some advice please
<shmoolik> "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..."....
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: that folder contained the binary
<qball> shmoolik: hmmm it thinks that not printer is connected.
<shmoolik> qball,  DAMN ... then it is a USB problem
<memcmeme> thats fine
<memcmeme> I will re download it
<chickenman> shmoolik / go buy a printer without USB ;)
<memcmeme> How do I tell the Mozilla download manager not to point at the desktop?
<qball> maybe other people have more exp. with usb printer problems.. it alway's "just worked" for me.
<membreya> memcmeme: http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
<memcmeme> I went to preferennces download
<shmoolik> qball,  on Device URI: usb:/dev/usb/lp5  <==
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: you're using mozilla or firefox?
<memcmeme> mozilla
<chickenman> i got mozilla
<matt_> What is GL?
<shmoolik> then its on the fifth USB does not it?
<chickenman> hang on
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: I'll have to look
<shmoolik> GoodLuck*
<matt_> This is multimedia codecs
<qball> smurfslay: change that to 0 .
<thoreauputic> chickenman: you can find the pref for him?
<chickenman> shmoolik / edit-pref then
<qball> because it just be wrong..  btw..  If I open gnome-cups-manager and do add printer it autodetects my printer.
<qball> it just might be wrong.
<chickenman> downloads
<Madiba> any help in here
<chickenman> oooops not that
<qball> sorry smurfslay  ment shmoolik
<thoreauputic> Madiba: just ask
<Madiba> ok ta
<shmoolik> qball,  haha
<shmoolik> it works!!!
<memcmeme> well I solved part of the problem of real player
<Madiba> i can only run live cd in safe mode if i run ubuntu or ubuntu expert mode it loads and then i just get a black screen why?
<qball> stupid autocomplete.. it should do what I want, not what I type.
<shmoolik> i have updated Ubuntu !!! and it works
<memcmeme> I found it in the reps
<shmoolik> WOW what a beauty !!
<qball> anybody here with laptop + ati vid card + ati drivers and stanby
<farruinn> shmoolik: congrats :) hoary?
<shmoolik> yeah
<matt_> DUDE this isn't partitioning software
<shmoolik> DAMN every thingy else work too!!!
<qball> tranceConscious had alot to ask/tell
<shmoolik> thanks ppl for all  your help !!! really
<Myrtti> shmoolik: that's what we're here for
<Madiba> i can only run live cd in safe mode if i run ubuntu or ubuntu expert mode it loads and then i just get a black screen why?
<thoreauputic> Madiba: possibly your vid card isn't recognised?
<deFrysk> Madiba, cuz yur not an expurt ;p
<shmoolik> =\ I just hop that one day i can help and not need to get help :D
<thoreauputic> shmoolik: you will :)
<thoreauputic> shmoolik: everything you learn can be passed on
<Madiba> yeah could be it asks me about configuring the vid card
<chickenman> i've been using linux for 4 days :D
<Madiba> thoreauptic ive got geforc4 mx
<Myrtti> shmoolik: stay on the channel, you're now our expert on that problem
<qball> hmmm I should be working on gtodo
<aff> Hey is it possible to install ubuntu (hoary) onto a raid0 system=
<memcmeme> any thoughts on how to make Mozilla send townloads to anywhere but the desktop?
<Myrtti> if someone else comes in with the same problem, you know what to do
<deFrysk> chickenman, so still looking at the light at the end of the tunnel ;)
<chickenman> memcmeme / use firefox
<johnnybezak> memcmeme: i think thats in prefs
<Madiba> thoreauptic:any ideas
<thoreauputic> Madiba: sorry, I know little about vid cards - maybe someone else will know
<memcmeme> ok
<Madiba> thanks anyway
<SiRrUs> good morning people
<matt_> Ok. Let me ask this then. How do I install to a partition?
<Madiba> ok peeps see u later
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: if you can wait a minute I'll fire up mozilla and look
<Bandit> yo SiRrUs
<johnnybezak> have any of you guys used mythtv?
<chickenman> memcmeme / i didn't see any think in the prefs for you to set where the downloads are saved
<deFrysk> its in the prfs I'm sure
<deFrysk> in the downloads section
<Asycas> anyone got this problem b4: i tried starting the installation with the hoary cd, but everytime i try to boot the installation, the comp always says 'loading the kernel..... ok' or something and then just reboots =/
<chickenman> i look it's not there
<deFrysk> however I no longer use mozilla , just firefox
<Myrtti> Asycas: burn another CD
<deFrysk> mozilla is a closed chapter
<Myrtti> the one you're using might be broken
<Myrtti> error in data transmit etc
<Asycas> i already tried installing with the save CD on another comp - it worked beautifully...
<Asycas> *same cd
<Myrtti> hmmm...
<deFrysk> Asycas, if you hava another player on the cd , try the other one
<Asycas> player??
<Burgundavia> keffo: why use utf8 because it can handle non-latin chars easier
<deFrysk> cdrom player
<Myrtti> another CD-ROM drive
<keffo> okok
<Asycas> oh i don't...
<deFrysk> apologies for my mickey mouse lingo
<johnnybezak> any of you guys know where i can get some nice fonts? (free ones :P)
<chickenman> johnnybezak / use apt-get
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: I get a dialog that has a file chooser
<deFrysk> johnnybezak, http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: in which I can choose which dir to download to
<thoreauputic> when I click on the download link
<Asycas> any ideas on the installtion cd thing? i've got a compaq presario pc from hp, if that's any help...
<johnnybezak> deFrysk: thanks
<mastertet> HI, I install Hoary yesterday and I like it a lot. During the install, I created a /store partition. I can't right in it, someone knows what I should write in /etc/fstab to be able of writting in this partition?
<njan> umask=0
<njan> under options
<njan> that'll mount it so regular users can access it
<mastertet> ok, it work with ext3
<mastertet> ?
<njan> /dev/hda57      /store          ext3    umask=0,defaults        0       0
<njan> something like that, mastertet
<mastertet> thanks
<njan> where /dev/hda57 is whatever your partition is
<njan> but it will mean that anyone else logged onto your system can read/write that partition too
<memcmeme> is there a way of playing MS Media formats on linux?
<flawd-afk> anyone who uses cedega and has got cd switching to work?
<deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: that's covered in the howto on http://ubuntuguide.org
<Gaaruto> memcmeme, yes, download w32codecs
<thoreauputic> or the link deFrysk says, as well
<flawd-afk> it wont find the cd
<edulix> re
<Asycas> anyone got this problem b4: i tried starting the installation with the hoary cd, but everytime i try to boot the installation, the comp always says 'loading the kernel..... ok' or something and then just reboots =/
<flawd-afk> second cd
<flawd-afk> i am using -monitor-cdrom-eject
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: did you sort the mozilla download issue?
<memcmeme> yes
<memcmeme> i switched to firefox
<kqj> <Asycas> probably something wrong with modules/drivers, for example ny distro blocks there after having changed graphic card
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: OK, not a bad plan :)
<memcmeme> ok I found the codecs
<Asycas> kqj: does warty work then?
<memcmeme> which player do they work with?
<mertas> hey all :)
<Gaaruto> memcmeme, all !
<edulix> is it possible to use hibernate as a complete replacement for halt/boot/reboot ? I'd like to be able to say: halt, and it haltes ith saving. boot, and it boots last saved "session" etc
<deFrysk> memcmeme, mplayer an xine
<deFrysk> and
<farruinn> vlc
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: if you add the repos in those howtos, you can use synaptic to install
<kqj> maybe, (fedora installed on the pc i was speaking of)
<edulix> what I basically want is to boot everytime with the same hibernated session
<memcmeme> I am installing it now
<Asycas> kqj: you mean fedora had that problem?
<edulix> not every time with a different one that besides must be saved and takes time :P
<memcmeme> I don't have mplayer
<memcmeme> will it work with kafiene?
<Gaaruto> do you have xine ?
<memcmeme> nope
<Gaaruto> install it (xine-ui)
<edulix> memcmeme: I use kaffeine to play wmv9 etc
<kqj> no, i mean something goes wrong with the linux kernel itself, so it just hangs (in my case probably nvidia drivers, don't exactly now)
<deFrysk> not sure what engine kaffeine uses
<edulix> (in kubuntu)
<Gaaruto> it a graeat player
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: kaffeine is a KDE app - you might ask the guys in #kubuntu about it
<memcmeme> well here is the ting
<deFrysk> is there a #kubuntu ?
<memcmeme> I can't find a pure xine
<deFrysk> wow !
<memcmeme> there are like 30 different xines
<memcmeme> gxine
<deFrysk> that  'l weed the kde peeps out here ;p
<Gaaruto> type xine-ui
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: gxine is the gnome interface
<Gaaruto> sudo apt-get xine-ui
<Asycas> kqj: but mine reboots =/ like it never tried loading anything
<memcmeme> I clicked on that
<memcmeme> but don't I need the player
<memcmeme> not just the ui?
<Gaaruto> but you must have the repository in sources.list
<thoreauputic> Gaaruto: we've covered that
<memcmeme> I have the reps
<kqj> Asycas: mh, rebooting is strange, i must admit
<memcmeme> I found xine ui
<memcmeme> installing
<mastertet> umask=0 doesn't work for ext3: EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0"
<memcmeme> installed
<deFrysk> Asycas, does the bios allow installing other osses ?
<Asycas> kqj: it's frustrating.... it works on another laptop i tried installing on though
<thoreauputic> mastertet: you don't need it for ext3
<memcmeme> kickass, xine looks great :)
<memcmeme> will it plug into firefox and mozilla?
<johnnybezak> firefox is about as stable as mental asylum atm
<Asycas> kqj: i tried installing debian before, but then gave up because there was a problem with loadking xwindows. the os got installed, though, and i could run programs, etc
<mastertet> thoreauputic, what should I put in option so regular user can access my /store partition?
<Gaaruto> the best way it to install mozilla-mplayer pluggin
<Gaaruto> just the plugin
<deFrysk> Asycas, get a more recent version of hoary burned and try again I would say :|
<Myrtti> johnnybezak: :-o
<Asycas> lol i just finished my hoary download today... but i'll check, cause i got it off bittorrent
<kqj> Asycas: with xwindows you mean X ? the graphic server ?
<Myrtti> I've not yet had it crashing even once
<thoreauputic> mastertet: make it owned by a group, add users to the group
<deFrysk> Asycas, darn :S
<johnnybezak> its soooo bad
<johnnybezak> when i open a new tab
<johnnybezak> cpu goes through the roof
<johnnybezak> then sometimes it just locks up
<johnnybezak> agh
<Asycas> umm yes - i was pretty i used the correct driver - i810, but SOMEHOW it could find any screens or something like that
<chickenman> can some one tell me how to install shockwave on firefox ??
<memcmeme> type in shockwave in synaptic
<chickenman> k
<Asycas> maybe i should custom build my pcs instead of getting them from thos control freak pc manufacturers... >.<
<kqj> Asycas: haven't you another graphic card to try the install ?
<Asycas> i'd have to buy one ^^'
<flawd-afk> anyone using cedega?
<thoreauputic> mastertet: eg add a group called 'share", and add users to that group
<kqj> (yes anyway compaq pcs usually quite sucks)
<Asycas> i'd call them 'idiot-proof' pcs - plug it in, yay it works!! but that's not good for pple like us who like to do other advanced stuff to them
<Myagy> can anyone please tell me how can i set up a default route for a VPN tunnel ?( i want to route internet through a pptp tunnel )
<mastertet> thoreauputic, is there an admin tool to do this in Ubuntu?
<Seveas> Good afternoon everyone
<thoreauputic> mastertet: system config >> users and groups
<SiRrUs> hello
<Asycas> lol after seeing the nice brown ubuntu gui on another comp i installed on, windows gui looks yucky =P
<Seveas> lol Asycas :)
<Asycas> i feel childish on the xp gui ;)
<thoreauputic> mastertet: you can then change properties on the directory by using the right click context menu
<Seveas> The XP gui is somewhat childish
<qball> Asycas: teletubby land
<deFrysk> -somewhat
<thoreauputic> mastertet: on the dir itself
<mastertet> ok
<Asycas> RIGHT :)
<deFrysk> chilish = retarded
<deFrysk> childish
<deFrysk> <Seveas> The XP gui is retarded
<Asycas> microsoft tries to pamper you into believing windows is SAFE (note the oxymoron)
<deFrysk> thats better :)
<memcmeme> sweet it can play quicktime as well :)
<NormD> hrm...I'm not sure I'd call it "teletubby" land...more like "Land Of The Raging Spyware"...: )
<membreya> hrm ...top is saying swap is 0k total ...and doing a mount says there's no swap partition :|
<Asycas> lol =P
<thoreauputic> NormD: Little Billy's Playground
<membreya> any ideas thoreauputic ?
<thoreauputic> membreya: umm - what does swapon -a do?
<chickenman> i can't find any shockwave in the synaptic package manager :(
<Asycas> hehe... although they say windows is for beginners, i'd rather recommend linux for beginners, then at least if they mess up and download a virus, they won't get infected so easily
<Asycas> windows lulls you into a 'false sense of security'
<membreya> membreya@diab:~$ sudo swapon -a
<membreya> swapon: /dev/sda6: Device or resource busy
<Seveas> Asycas: a system is as secure as it's weakest linl
<Seveas> link*
<deFrysk> windows lulls you into a 'false sense of sanity'
<membreya> sda6 is a reiserfs partition
<Seveas> in windows, the weakest link is a number of bugs, in linux it is the user
<chickenman> help please !!
<Asycas> lol  that's kinda correct
<Seveas> so for stupid users, maybe winxp is better :)
<membreya> maybe that's why I'm getting lockups :) my memory free says 12Mb :|
<thoreauputic> membreya: do you have gkrellm or a monitoring gui you can look at?
<Asycas> but if you're not root in linux, there's only so much damage u can do...
<Seveas> true, Asycas
<NormD> I would never have thought of any distro a couple years ago for 'beginners'...but now I'm considering either Ubuntu or Mepis for my 80+year-old aunt...
<Seveas> but someone who owns a computer wants to be root to :)
<membreya> like system monitor thoreauputic ?
<chickenman> LOL
<mastertet> thoreauputic, I can't change permission since I'm root own the dir...
<thoreauputic> membreya: i don't think linux swap should be a file system as such - it shiold be type 82
<Asycas> hmm... i'd never let anyone who goes around using root all the time OWN a computer
<Seveas> thoreauputic: you're right
<Seveas> the swap must have no filesystem
<chickenman> can some one help me i need shockwave on firefox or mozilla ?
<ohgood> Would anyone like to point me to the 'official' Documentation for installation of nvidia drivers for hoary ?
<membreya> should I use sda3 (my rootfs) as my swap as well ?
<Seveas> Asycas: good point
<thoreauputic> mastertet: time for the command line and sudo then: look at the chmod and chown commands
<Seveas> and that's why i love sudo :)
<Asycas> YES =D
<chickenman> can some one help me i need shockwave on firefox or mozilla ?
<Asycas> well, since i don't think my problem can be solved anytime soon... i'll log off and play with my other ubuntu system now
<Asycas> see ya
<petemc> add a marillat source and install flashplugin
<mastertet> thoreauputic, got it, sudo nautilus --no-desktop :)
<PacoBCN> nice to see last night's upgrade isue was solved
<Seveas> chickenman: maybe flashplayer-mozilla can handle shockwave too, but i'm not sure
<deFrysk> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19553
<deFrysk> and read
<Seveas> chickenman: but you need to add a marillat repository for that one
<larsrohdin> how can i see what desktop resolution im using?
<deFrysk> system prefs sceenresolution
<scandium> larsrohdin, "xdpyinfo | grep dimensions" should work
<deFrysk> +r
<farruinn> larsrohdin: System>Preferences>Screen resolution
<chickenman> na i got flashplayer installed still can't get shockwave \ marillat repository ??
<larsrohdin> scandium, worked. Thanks!
<membreya> looking at my dmesg, I have the error message of Unable to find swap-space signature
<ohgood> what does ubuntu use for screen resolution/adjustment ?
<thoreauputic> membreya: mkswap is the command to make a swap partition I think
<deFrysk> mkswap /dev/hdax
<deFrysk> then swapon /dev/hdax
<deFrysk> I think
<ohgood> correct
<thoreauputic> deFrysk: looks right
<deFrysk> old gentoo way hehe
<membreya> thoreauputic: was just doing that ..am RTFM'ing :)
<membreya> deFrysk: SATA ..it's dev/sdax :P
<thoreauputic> membreya: you notice I didn't have to tell you to do that ;-)
<deFrysk> ooh
<deFrysk> membreya, sdax it is hehe
<membreya> :P
<thoreauputic> membreya: a refreshing change ;)
<membreya> :P
<thoreauputic> *grin*
<membreya> should I need to reboot to activate the swap space?
<ohgood> membreya, you typed 'swapon', it's on
<deFrysk> membreya, swapon /dev/sdblah
<thoreauputic> membreya: no, just swapon
<ohgood> membreya, check with 'free'         if it's done
<LinuxJones> I see the regulars are here AS USUAL !!
<membreya> membreya@diab:~$ sudo swapon /dev/sda6
<membreya> swapon: /dev/sda6: Device or resource busy
<Myrtti> as usual
<membreya> :|
<Myrtti> llo LinuxJones
<membreya> maybe because it's the partition I store squid on ?
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: that's the definition, isn't it?
<membreya> lol thoreauputic :)
<ohgood> membreya use mount , see if it's already mounted
<LinuxJones> maybe you guys just never leave :)
<Myrtti> no, we keep screen irssi on all the time
<farruinn> LinuxJones: I haven't left since the last time you were on :)
<Myrtti> live on coke and pizza
<farruinn> Myrtti: aye
<LinuxJones> farruinn, good man yourself :)
<NormD> thoreauputic: sadly, I suspect we're in a refreshing lull now...while linuxes are close to "just working" goodness, and a bit before the hordes fleeing MS arrive...
<Myrtti> never sleep
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: sleep is overrated ;)
<Gaaruto> lol Myrtti
<membreya> ohgood: it's mounted as my /media/downloads directory
<Myrtti> I'm too much a nerd to not know this stuff :-)
<thoreauputic> NormD: you clearly weren't here yesterday ;-)
<ohgood> membreya, this is something you want to check _befor_ killing a filesystem ;)
<kqj> membreya, you can't have a file system partition used as swap, nor the contrary, you must create a partition to be used as swap
<LinuxJones> thoreauputic, my old PC is too loud, to sleep with it on
<membreya> ohgood: I've used the same partition before when I had it as a fat32
* membreya goes to fdisk -l 
<membreya> I have a feeling my fstab is outdated :P
<NormD> thoreauputic: *laugh* how true...I was still fighting with my wireless card in ubuntu 5.01 and mepis...: )
<Myrtti> LinuxJones: some of us have shell accounts on servers that reside perhaps in another city even :-)
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: heheh - i keep forgetting the xmms alarm is set for 7AM :)
<ohgood> membreya, doesn't matter what it's been used as.
<membreya> aaaah /dev/sda5 not 6 :P
<LinuxJones> heh
<ohgood> membreya, use fdisk -l             for re-familiarization with partitions
<membreya> ohgood: :P
<membreya> woohooo! :D
<membreya> fixed :)
<thoreauputic> ohgood: he's way ahead of you ;-)
* membreya edits his fstab
<ohgood> what's with all the ':P" ? try to heelp someone.... mmm
<deFrysk> ohgood, ;p
<membreya> i like my tongue sticking out :|
<thoreauputic> ohgood: he has a warped sense of humour - pay no attention ;-)
<membreya> if I could, I would do a ALT+0222 :)
<membreya> narcissistic bugger thoreauputic :P
* gilbs72 has joined the wonderful world of ubuntu linux users
<Gaaruto> hi gilbs72
<Gaaruto> :)
<Seveas> hello :D
<thoreauputic> membreya: I have a serious character disorder - that's why we understand each other :P
<Seveas> Welcome to the real world, it suck, you're gonna love it :)
<gilbs72> <-- newbie  :)
<gilbs72> hello everyone
<Gaaruto> lol Seveas
<membreya> ouch .. I'm down to 6Mb of phsyical memory left .. I think I need to get another 512 :P thankfully with my swap though, I now have 256Mb available :)
<Seveas> (c) Courteney Cox Arquette as Monica Geller in Friends :)
<gilbs72> pardon the slow response. still trying to figure things out
<Gaaruto> where is it taken ?
<thoreauputic> gilbs72: welcome, O traveller to the gates of HAdes!
<membreya> thoreauputic: I prefer to think of linux as pergatory
<membreya> erm
<membreya> purgatory even
<membreya> damn ...4 hours sleep a night :()
<Seveas> that's a lot
<thoreauputic> membreya: I'm not a lapsed Catholic so I don't have a pergatory :P
<Gaaruto> ah yes ! Friends !!!
<Gaaruto> lol
<NormD> "gates of hades" ?  huh?  I thought Linux was the Promised Land! /parts to join #BillGatesNeverLandRanch...
<StarScreem> membreya: so whats heavan then...?
<gilbs72> thanks for the welcome... will lurk in the shadows and see what new things i pick up
<thoreauputic> hmm..membreya's lousy spelling is rubbing off on me...
<thoreauputic> gilbs72: beware - everything is very hot down here...
<membreya> heaven is linux fully configured and running everything how you want it to the point that you never need to configure anything ever again...the holy grail if you will
* Seveas has bought a 30-dvd box with all friends seasons last month
<Seveas> it's sooo much fun :)
<prego> How do I force nautilus to "recompute" a thumbnail for a pdf file?
<thoreauputic> membreya: what is your....favourite colour?
<membreya> some might say windows is heaven, they do say after all ..ignorance is bliss
<membreya> thoreauputic: purple :D
<Seveas> membreya: windows is only blue sky
<Seveas> linux is heaven :)
<NormD> membreya:  never happen.  there's always security patching, and occasional gnome/kde eyecandy updates...
<hayden> i've got a problem with firefox, when i try to dload something i push save but then the file doesnt download
<thoreauputic> membreya: 'tis folly to be wise....
<membreya> NormD: hence why I said, holy grail :)
<thoreauputic> hayden: bug in hoary firefox
<hayden> yea
<hayden> no way of fixing it easily?
<Seveas> hayden: bug is known, check the bugzilla to see if there are workarounds
<hayden> ok
<oclv> Hmm, how does one adjust Xorg stuffs in ubunutu ? Does it have a way of resizing/relocating screens ?
<hayden> is there a download manager with a gui i can install
<Seveas> yes there is
<Seveas> but i forgot the name :S
<farruinn> firefox downloads work for me...
<thoreauputic> hayden: yes, e.g. downloader for X
<ohgood> i'll assume it's a gnome-tool of some type
<Gaaruto> d4x
<Gaaruto> no ?
<thoreauputic> hayden: don't know the package name
<prego> hayden, d4x would do. gwget2 probably also
<prego> thoreauputic, is d4x, as Gaaruto says
<Seveas> hayden: try prozilla
<hayden> hmm ok
<thoreauputic> prego: yup, thanks
<Seveas> it's not gui though...
<prego> Seveas, with no gui, wget is quite fine
<Seveas> wget rocks :)
<Myrtti> wget kicks ass
<ohgood> no clues to screen adjustment with hoary ?
<flawd-afk> is quakeforge available for ubuntu?
<Seveas> ohgood: sure, system -> preferences -> screen resolution (oslt)
* thoreauputic listens to the chorus of heavenly praise to wget
<membreya> had another lockup :|
<Gaaruto> wget power *
* membreya loves wget
<Seveas> flawd-afk: i do not see it in synaptic...
<ohgood> Seveas: i'm looking for a way to resize and reposition..
<thoreauputic> what about curl ?
* thoreauputic runs
<Seveas> ah ok
<farruinn> thoreauputic: I use curl
<flawd-afk> Seveas, me neither
<Seveas> ohgood: edit your X config manually
<membreya> isn't that a winter olympic sport thoreauputic ?
<membreya> oh wait, that's curling
<flawd-afk> Im so frustrated with cedega right now
<ohgood> Seveas: t adjust position ? :|
<flawd-afk> it worked fine on mandrake
<flawd-afk> on ubuntu it wont find the second cd
<thoreauputic> membreya: yeah, with penguins shoving rocks along the ice ;)
<Seveas> flawd-afk: run alien on the mandrake tgz and see if that works
<membreya> crack-attack time!
<Seveas> lol
<flawd-afk> oh
<flawd-afk> ill try that thanks
* ohgood really doesn't know how to offset positions with xorg.conf, never had to befor..
<jeetsen> Hi folks!
<hayden> how do i dload a file with curl
<farruinn> hayden: curl url -o file
<hayden> thanks
<farruinn> iirc, it's been a while
<shmoolik> for some resone i can't print with Evince
<Seveas> wget url
<shmoolik> how can i check y .. ?
* thoreauputic decides memcmeme has either died and gone to Linux heaven, or is having second thoughts about the sanity of the channel
<Seveas> hmm
<ohgood> BAH! xvidtune to the rescue
<Seveas> kacpid locks up my system
<prego> Seveas, sometimes, wget --passive url
<hayden> im trying to dload a file, but the address for it isnt straight forward it is ->http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/files.php?func=gd_downloadfile&gd_filename=starterbar-desklet-0.31.2.tar.bz2&gd_fileid=577
<hayden> would that url work with wget?
<prego> hayden, probably not, not sure though
<ohgood> that's the index.html matey
<scandium> hayden, if it doesn't work because of ? etc. use " " around the whole url
<Tomcat_> wget is good for most things...
<Tomcat_> Yeah scandium... the shell might take some stuff.
<prego> hayden, you might use epiphany, also
<hayden> o
<hayden> k
<esher> how to update to preview if i use 5.04 develop ?
<farruinn> maybe the firefox bug is x86 specific because I can certainly download on ppc...
<hayden> ok
<farruinn> esher: you are using the preview release =)
<M_Fatih> hi al.. i'm a gentoo user, i want to use ubuntu. i have questions, how can i contorl & add/remove my initscripts, how can i change runlevels this scripts..
<ohgood> hayden: works fine here, cp directly to your address bar in FF
<esher> a ok, nice :)
<prego> hayden, besides, it has worked for me with wget; wget "url you pasted"
<hayden> yep me too
<Lin> Hi all!
<Lin> Which package I have install  to allow Rhythmbox play mp3 files?
<farruinn> M_Fatih: ubuntu doesn't really do the runlevel thing. IIRC runlevels 2-6 or something are identical
<farruinn> Lin: gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
<membreya> tired of crack-attack now :)
<farruinn> M_Fatih: I'll admit though, I know virtually nothing about runlevels
<farruinn> probably because I've always used some form of Debian ;)
<M_Fatih> what do i do? use a gtk based runlevel tool?
<WZot> Lin: You should check this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs :)
<keffo> Lin, use xmms instead.. thats my opinion
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: what do you want to do? debian runlevels are different
<Lin> Second: I found a bug in S.O discovery in installation, my windows was found 2 times, giving a warning when trying to install lilo (normal users will be scared) . Grub didn't works very well anyway, it didn't erase my previos lilo version giving LI 9999999 error.
<Lin> WZot,  thank you, I will read.
<farruinn> Lin, keffo: beep-media-player is a nice gtk2 player based on xmms , you might like it
<Gaaruto> keffo, i prefere amarok (but it need kdelib...)
<keffo> ohgood, ill check
<M_Fatih> thoreauputic, how? can you post a link for debian's runlevel management?
<Lin> keffo, I'm just testing a plain user installation. Trying do deploy ubuntu in some companies.
<keffo> okok
<Lin> fabbione, there is in repositories?
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: just say what you are trying to do - runlevels may not be the answer at all
<farruinn> Lin: you have to have universe enabled, check out the ubuntuguide.org
<ikaro> hellas
<Lin> fabbione, ok.. universe is on..
<Lin> sorry.. farruinn  :-D
<fabbione> Lin ?
<fabbione> ah ok
<fabbione> ehe
<M_Fatih> hmm. i want to add a initscript to runlevel 5
<M_Fatih> how can i do it? or disable
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: manipulation of runlevels is hardly ever needed in debian
<Lin> add should be done with update-rc.d program
<WZot> Lin: ubuntuguide.org has a lot of information on what you need to get your system to be a multimedia computer :) Also tells you how to get stuff like Java etc working.
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: read about update-rc,d
<M_Fatih> hah. i want to this... :)
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: scripts are in /etc/init.d
<Lin> M_Fatih, then.. do it! :-D
<M_Fatih> i know
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: update-rc,d is easy to use
<Lin> Someone know about those errors above?
<M_Fatih> ok. i need this.. in gentoo i do it with rc-update..
<Lin> (I'm using hoary testing installation)
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: similar, probably (I don't know gentoo)
* ohgood perks up
<Lin> There is another problem. After dpkg-reconfigure locales, and add my locales, when gnome started it says pt_BR locales didn't exist, rolling back to defaults POSIX/C.
<thoreauputic> Lin, you have your languge pack installed?
<Lin> thoreauputic, only en-us..
<thoreauputic> *language
<Lin> thoreauputic, this is a new ubuntu package isn't it?
<thoreauputic> Lin, well, how will pt_BR show up if it isn't installed ?
<thoreauputic> Lin, in hoary I believe, yes
<mdke> does anyone know of an easy document which will help me set up procmail for use with evolution?
<Lin> there is no language to pt_br
<mdke> i don't know the first thing about email
<farruinn> mdke: why do you need to use procmail with evolution?
<Lin> there is only pt.. hmmm
<Lin> I will try
<mdke> farruinn, i am considering the possibility of subscribing to the wiki and there are a lot of emails coming in
<scizzo> mdke: if you use evolution you can do filters in the application
<mdke> scizzo, yeah i do that currently
<mdke> scizzo, someone gave me a script for making stats out of the wiki subscription emails, and he said that I should use procmail
<Lin> Another think, hoady didn't intall nvidia-glx drivers, but my video card is a nvidia driver, is this right?
<scizzo> Lin: nvidia drivers are non-free
<scizzo> Lin: you need to install from universe... or something simular
<Lin> scizzo, ok, same policy as debian?
<scizzo> Lin: the Wiki has most answers....
<Lin> scizzo, I will stop to ask and read right now. Thank you for all help!
<thoreauputic> Lin,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<scizzo> Lin: might be good to check the wiki out anyway
<scizzo> :)
<Lin> thoreauputic, It's already running, I just want to know why this is isn't installed by default! :-D
<mdke> scizzo, do you have any suggestions for me, as I said I don't understand much about email
<memcmeme> These Nvidia drivers are outsanding
<memcmeme> I am getting a better framerate in UT2k4 on the same hardware
<Lin> memcmeme,  UT2k4 runs better in linux..
<memcmeme> wierd
<thoreauputic> memcmeme: why weird?
<Lin> away
<memcmeme> you would think with Direct 3d XP would have an advante but it doesn't
<shmoolik> DAMN I love my UbuntuLinux http://img91.exs.cx/img91/4566/screenshot1cd.jpg
<shmoolik> all though i can't print ps with it :)
<scizzo> mdke: read others that has setup procmail...the problem you have is that you might need to setup smtp, fetchmail and procmail
<Lin> Ubuntu team made changes in synaptic? Cause it is amazing!
<M_Fatih> i love console apps, can you suggest package to install for my ubuntu?.. (ubuntu spesific tools)
<mdke> scizzo, :( sounds difficult
<scizzo> mdke: _but_ maybe evolution can filter all mails through procmail
<Lin> Another tip, put pppoe support in instalattion :-) adsl user will love it.
<prego> shmoolik, why can't you print ps with it??
<kickrocks> i just got 10 ubuntu install / live cd's in the mail
<kickrocks> bill never did that
<kickrocks> thanks
<scizzo> mdke: what I don't understand is that if you are only using evolution...then why can't you use the system they have for filters?
<shmoolik> prego,  i don't know
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: mostly similar to debian tools - apt-get, dpkg etc
<shmoolik> now i neeed to study i will find out latter
<prego> shmoolik, did you try directly from command line? (lpr file.ps) or (lpr -Pprinter_name file.ps) ?
<shmoolik> no .... i think i will try now
<shmoolik> thanks
<mdke> scizzo, perhaps the problem is my lack of understanding how these systems work
<scizzo> mdke: what exactly do you want to do?
<electricwheels> Good Morning all
<scizzo> mdke: maybe that would help a lot...
<thoreauputic> shmoolik: awww! cute kitten! :D
<shmoolik> thanks
<mdke> scizzo, ok
<dwa_> good morning electricwheels
<dwa_> although it's 3pm here
<dwa_> :)
<membreya> thoreauputic: .. i have bad news for you buddy
<shmoolik> bash: plr: command not found
<shmoolik> prego,  look up
<smckay> Anyone have info on running a Microtek scanner under Ubuntu?  Ive seen mention of a microtek kernel driver, but haven't found it.
<mdke> scizzo, i access my email in a webinterface when at school, and with evolution at home, and I don't leave them on the remote server. I want to subscribe to the wiki, but I know that I will get hundreds of emails at a time, and really the only thing that interests me is to use the scripts that I have been given which can make stats out of the emails which arrive
<prego> shmoolik, lpr
<shmoolik> damn it works
<Myrtti> subscribe to wiki?
<membreya> thoreauputic: that kitten is from winxp :P
<electricwheels> I have a problem and I was wondering if anyone can help me?  I have installed Ubuntu with windows xp  and I can't get the bootloader to start windows.  It starts ubuntu no problem but with windows I get and error unknown operating system.
<shmoolik> yeah my bad :))
<thoreauputic> membreya: oh?
<shmoolik> damn man thanks!!!!!!
<prego> shmoolik, :-))
<mastertet> When I plug my usbdisk, I get 2 popup windows (usbdisk and usbdisk-1). Only usbdisk-1 contains data. How can I solve this issue?
<thoreauputic> membreya: haha - I don't care - it's still cute :)
<ohgood> electricwheels: your grub.conf is pointing to the wrong place. or other things
<dwa_> is windows xp in your grub menu.lst electricwheels ?
<M_Fatih> thanks all, i like ubuntu, i change my linux distro.. :) gentoo to ubuntu..
<mdke> M_Fatih, :)
<scizzo> mdke: ???????
<scizzo> mdke: stats out of e-mail?
<thoreauputic> M_Fatih: welcome :)
<mdke> yes
<mastertet> M_Fatih, me too, gentoo to ubuntu :)
<ohgood> anyone have a HOWTO for freevo installation ?
<M_Fatih> :)
<scizzo> mdke: what stats?
<flawd-afk> trying to compile quakeforge. says /lib/cpp fails sanity check
<electricwheels> when ubuntu installed itself is found windows and setup the loader and I haven't changed anything.
<mdke> scizzo, the wiki subscriptions tell you who is doing what to which pages, and it makes stats out of that
* thoreauputic thinks Ubuntu is becoming a recovery clinic for gentoobies *g*
<mdke> heh
<mdke> and vice versa
<ohgood> electricwheels: paste your grub.conf to pastebin
<flawd-afk> nevermind
<ohgood> menu.lst, whatever
<electricwheels> how do I go about that.
<scizzo> mdke: okej...look...what you can do is to filter them out into different folders if that is what you are looking for...
<ohgood> electricwheels: highlight it, and cp it to pastebin.com
<scizzo> mdke: if not...then I don't know what you are talking about and how you are actually thinking about all this
<electricwheels> where will i find the grub.conf
<mdke> scizzo, ok don't worry
<ohgood> electricwheels: in /boot/grub/
<scizzo> electricwheels: /boot/grub/
<mdke> scizzo, sorry if I wasn't able to be clear
<electricwheels> there is no grub.conf in the /boot/grub
<ohgood> menu.lst then
<NetwrkMonkey> mmm hmmm
<thoreauputic> electricwheels: menu.lst
<dwa_> who wants some coffee?
<electricwheels> that is there
<optika> hi all, perhaps someone will be able to help me (again). Just upgraded Warty -> Hoary, and I'm getting the following error dialogue when starting gnome-theme-manager:
<optika> "The default theme schemas could not be found on your system.  This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly."
<thoreauputic> dwa_: yes, please :)
<membreya> wow....just ran mutt...funky :P
<optika> any suggestions? I've tried forcing a reinstall of gnome-themes, capplets, capplets-data and more.
<mdke> oh btw, does anyone use pop3 access with gmail? is it working ok?
<thoreauputic> membreya: look at the man page under Bugs ;)
<membreya> mdke: working fine for me
<dwa_> thoreauputic : are you in holland?
<mdke> membreya, cool thanks
<membreya> lol thoreauputic :P
<thoreauputic> dwa_: New Holland - Australia - does that count ? *grin*
<electricwheels> can give me the syntax for what it is that you want me to do with menu.lst and pastebin.com
<sunboy> Hello
<dwa_> hehe.. :)
<membreya> mdke: just sent myself a test email to gmail and it worked fine
<farruinn> optika: metacity is installed?
<ohgood> Anyone know a way to force installation of freevo, and it's deps ?
<mastertet> Someone knows how to solve the usbstick bug in hoary?
<optika> farruinn: indeed
<membreya> using thunderbird to get my 4 email accounts (one is local mail so it doesn't count :P)
<optika> farruinn: I've tried reinstalling it too
<farruinn> optika: then nuke your ~/.gconf
<mdke> membreya, ty
<optika> erk, k.
* optika tries
* optika likes his .gconf :(
<sunboy> I'm using Kubuntu 5.04 LiveCD. At bootup it assigning an IP via DHCP (but this network uses static IPs). I was wondering where I could configure my network settings (IP, gateway, nameserver, etc)
<membreya> optika: mv it to a different file name and see if it works
<ohgood> optika: so just rename it for a trial
<membreya> rather than nuking it :)
<optika> russell@zaebos ~ $ mv .gconf dot-gconf
<optika>  :) Umm, it does the same thing :(
<thoreauputic> optika: you logged out and in, right?
<thoreauputic> not in that time...
<optika> thoreauputic: I just killall'd gconfd-2
<membreya> russell...zaebos...what sort of system / user names are those? :|
<Lin> Downloading 262 megs :-/ will lasts 2 hours :-(
<amiroff> can someone please advine a program to record what I listen to ?
<membreya> Lin: 262..2 hours..ouch :(
<Lin> gnome-sound-record
<dwa_> lin: about 10 mins. here :)
<thoreauputic> optika: OK :)
<Lin> dwa_, can I borrow your net bandwith? ;-)
<ohgood> amiroff: do you mean streaming media ?
<optika> membreya: zaebos is a prince of hell, so named because my machine ended up getting the same IP address as a machine that used to be called lucifer (my machine naming scheme is "starts with z")
<optika> membreya: and russell is my name ;)
<dwa_> sure Lin , just come here, bring your laptop
<thoreauputic> heh - 262MB would take me nearly a day !
<dwa_> and i'll give you a cup of coffee
<Lin> dwa_, sure! where you live?
<dwa_> the netherlands
<DexterF> hi
<electricwheels> I'm sorry I have to take off right now.. I'll be back a little later bye for now and thank you for trying to help me.
<Lin> dwa_, Wow! Coffe! I will go right now!
<membreya> machine...naming scheme :| when I had my p4 laptop .. i just called it diab-laptop ...guess I'm unimaginative
<dwa_> were do you live Lin ?
<DexterF> I consider switching distros, and tho I had debian in mind there's a bunch of nonos with debian.
<Lin> dwa_, near of you.. Brazil
<dwa_> lol
<dwa_> we'll come to brazil then :)
<membreya> just across antarctica :)
<amiroff> ohgood: yes, I'd like to record radios, while listening to them
<garrut> dwa_ can i come too?
<dwa_> sure garrut
<garrut> sweet
<ohgood> amiroff: streamripper
<dwa_> where do you live?
<DexterF> so - is ubuntu just debian with some extra tools, can I just install debian packages on it, does it have the same dep tracking? or is it different altogether?
<Lin> dwa_, Coming to brazil, please contact me!
<garrut> i'm sitting next to you
<Lin> dwa_, I live in Rio de Janeiro
<dwa_> cooool
<thoreauputic> amiroff: streamripper
<dwa_> ok garrut
<dwa_> let's get some coffee
<thoreauputic> ohgood: oops sorry ;)
<garrut> good idea
<Lin> dwa_, are you coming to brazil?
<ohgood> thoreauputic: np (:
<Lin> dwa_, really?
<amiroff> thoreauputic: already tried that, does not play simultaneously
<dwa_> maybe some other day :)
<dwa_> no Lin, the bank won't let me
<Lin> dwa_, ok! :-D
<farruinn> optika: oh, make sure you have gtk2-engines-clealooks installed maybe
<thoreauputic> amiroff: it does - with streamtuner
<farruinn> optika: did you do a dist-upgrade?
<thoreauputic> amiroff: you can start it from streamtuner
<ohgood> amiroff: bandwidth is a crippling thing, for streaming media and ripping
<Lin> dwa_, here is hot! Very hot.. o my god.. I will die.. It's too hot. I can't live out of servers room! ;-D
<dwa_> hehe Lin
<dwa_> it's pretty cold out here
<amiroff> thoreauputic: now getting streamtuner :)
<thoreauputic> amiroff: streamtuner is nice for shoutcast especially
<amiroff> ohgood: under windows, I just play winamp and record from What You Hear specified as input with Creative sound recorder
<Lin> back to the work! :-D dwa_ I can just imagine.. But I prefer cold than hot.
<thoreauputic> amiroff: it has an index to the yellow pages
<ohgood> amiroff: sorry, don't remember many wincrap-apps. streamripper will do what you desire though.
<dwa_> Lin me 2 :)
<thoreauputic> ohgood: streamripper is a nice app
<nmoore> will there be any ill effects if I remove some services from runlevels that are not used?
<amiroff> ohgood: I hope so :) thanks
<amiroff> thoreauputic: getting excited already
<nmoore> what i mean is services that i don't use from runlevels
<ohgood> aye thoreauputic, the tuner was an epiphany point for me too
<optika> farruinn: yes, I did a dist-upgrade, but the CD I did it from was very broken :( so things are quite inconsistent :(
<optika> farruinn: seems clearlooks is installed
<farruinn> what about ubuntu-desktop?
<optika> it's installed and at latest version
<goxy> anybody help me make intel 536ep
<memcmeme> Hey guys, whats a good Linux P2P client that is Apt- get able?
<munki> what app. can I unrar rar (3.0 ver) files with ?
<munki> unrar can't !
<ohgood> munki: rar e filename.rar
<membreya> memcmeme: sudo apt-get install amule
<thoreauputic> munki: try unrar-nonfree from multiverse
<farruinn> optika: have you installed any themes manually?
<hayden> how can i make keyboard shortcut to windows+d that shows the desktop?
<memcmeme> what category will that apear under in the menu?
<robodex> hello
<dwa_> garrut
<kotatsu> hayden: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
<kounavi_le_kok> hello, i have recently installed ubuntu hoary on  my powerbook G4 (15",1G, alu), and though everything seems to work just fine, the sound is rather distorted and at a very low volume. Have you got any ideas about how to solve that or where to ask?
<kotatsu> hayden: by default ctrl + alt + d shows the desktop
<hayden> ok thanks, ill just use that
<kbitty> where is some great themes for ubuntu suse?
<amiroff> thoreauputic: I just tried streamtuner but it uses xmms for playing, thus double bandwidth when recording :(
<kbitty> like there is for suse and other distrobutions
<hayden> kbitty: check www.gnome-look.org or www.kde-look.org
<NetwrkMonkey> knibbutz
<HavoK> hi there
<thoreauputic> amiroff: how much quality do you need? I'm on dialup and I rip and listen, but on lower quality streams
<flawd-afk> anyone that uses cedega?
<thoreauputic> amiroff: I guess it depends how picky you are about sound
<amiroff> thoreauputic: well, at least 96 kbs, it works great if I close xmms, but with  xmms also playing, no way, I have adsl 256k
<thoreauputic> amiroff: yes, I guess abot 64k would be the limit for you
<thoreauputic> *about
<amiroff> thoreauputic: well, at least I've found a great app, it records directly to mp3 which I like very much
<thoreauputic> amiroff: it also labels the mp3s , which is nice
<amiroff> thoreauputic: thanks for your advice :) I really apreciate it
<thoreauputic> amiroff: no worries :)
<prego> cedega?
<optika> farruinn: I've installed some manually, yes
<thoreauputic> amiroff: BTW I found even whenthe playback goes, the ripping still seems to work OK
<amiroff> thoreauputic: doesn't it depend on the bandwidth?
<optika> farruinn: argh, I managed to nuke my old .gconf after all :-/
<thoreauputic> amiroff: I assume the ripping takes precedence, in other words
<farruinn> aplsin: it's possible those are causing problems...
<farruinn> aplsin: sorry :(
<farruinn> oop optika ^^^
<thoreauputic> amiroff: I got worried when it started to rebuffer on xmms, but the ripped track sounded fine
<optika> hrm, which is evolution's nice new imap code? "IMAP" or "IMAP4rev1" ?
<amiroff> thoreauputic: hey , I cannot believe it, it even records to different song  files! WOW!!!!!!
<DarkGable> are the howto doc on the website up to date... i've just install ubuntu... and i dont wanna have to do it again, because of out-dated doc  ??
<robodex> is it normal to have 15-20 updates to hoary a day?
<hayden> robodex, yea about that
<amiroff> thoreauputic: I was so fed up cutting the 1 hour sets by hand on windows!!! this one really rules!
<kotatsu> optika: rev1
<robodex> rofl just making sure
<optika> kotatsu: ta
<robodex> I've got 32 updates today, after installing 200 yesterday...
<hayden> robodex, i installed hoary from the preview release iso, and i had to dload 175MB of updates
<hayden> yea
<kotatsu> robodex: I have 129 updates and 5 new packages I'm installing atm =) it's been like this throughout hoary
<robodex> just making sure
<kotatsu> surprisingly, my machine breaks less now than when I was using Debian sid
<robodex> I'm just glad hoary has an update manager now
<robodex> hmm. now for a really good question. is evolution better than thunderbird as an email client?
<amiroff> thoreauputic: I owe you some beer on a vacation to Istanbul man!
<kalis> Hmm! I cant add my CD repo again. "Another synaptic is running
<kalis> There is another synaptic running in interactive mode. Please close it first. "
<kotatsu> robodex: better in what way? it's a personal preference
<kalis> and i have no other synaptic process running.
<kotatsu> robodex: I prefer evo, I know people who prefer thunderbird
<flawd> <amiroff> thoreauputic: I owe you some beer on a vacation to Istanbul man!
<kotatsu> robodex: I even ran balsa for a while... between thunderbird and balsa I'd use balsa, but I like evo more than either
<robodex> well I've never used evo so I uninstalled it, but I've used thunderbird on windoze since it was 0.1
<kotatsu> robodex: evo is a PIM, thunderbird is just a mail reader
<robodex> one thing I've found that's bad on thunderbird is the fact that if you get a LOT of spam it gets confused and filters stuff that isn't spam
<gfxstyler> hi there
<robodex> but skips stuff that is
<gfxstyler> can i install kde without any ... troubles ?
<kotatsu> robodex: you have to train the filter - make sure you mark stuff as "not spam"
<Gaaruto> hi gfxstyler
<Gaaruto> sure
<Gaaruto> you can
<gfxstyler> thanks :)
<niciqy> does Ubuntu comes with gcc?
<kotatsu> robodex I don't get much spam but I know one person who uses both evo and thunderbird and *much* prefers thunderbird's spam filter
<gfxstyler> would be bad if i trash my ubuntu one day before holidays
<kotatsu> niciqy: if you install it
<farruinn> niciqy: of course :) sudo apt-get install build-essential will get  you going
<niciqy> ok
<dabi> hmm i overclocked my cpu from 2800 to 3000 mhz and added more voltage and my ubuntu stop working... i restored it and now works fine.. w.t.h? i have goot cooler on it and should be fine..
<goxy> anybody help me make work intel 536ep
<robodex> kotatsu: I get well over 400 spams a day, so even with marking stuff as not spam I still get alot of stuff I shouldn't be getting
<kotatsu> dabi: that's overclocking for you
<thoreauputic_> amiroff: sorry, cut off by ISP
<amiroff> thoreauputic: np :)
<niciqy> woohoo install now!!
<amiroff> flawd: thanks :)
<dabi> kotatsu: ? well.. "overclocking" i only changed the bios settings..
<kotatsu> dabi: and?
<kotatsu> dabi: the whole point of running cpus at their recommended speed is stability
<thoreauputic> amiroff: did you try a 64k stream?
<HavoK> i'm trying to use amarok with mysql, so i'm creating a database for it. But I can't log on because I don't know the password,, any idea/suggestion?
<gfxstyler> and can i remove all gnome apps from ubuntu and swap them with kde apps ?
<kotatsu> dabi: if you can squeeze a few extra MHz out great, but it's not unexpected that it makes your system unstable
<Lin> gfxstyler, ubuntu is build over gnome. You can install kde and run it anyway
<farruinn> gfxstyler: sounds like you could have used the kubuntu preview cd that just came out
<Lin> I really prefer Gnome interface
<Lin> Kde has good applications, but the worse interface.
<gfxstyler> farruinn: yes i was somehow stupid :D
<farruinn> gfxstyler: not that, the timing was just bad :)
<niciqy> is there a way to set my $PATH to the java folder instead of exporting PATH everytime i open a new terminal?? I tried adding the PATH into .bash_profile but it doesnt work!!
<gfxstyler> farruinn: i guess i keep gnome and kde both
<kotatsu> niciqy: did you install java using java-package?
<niciqy> kotatsu
<niciqy> kotatsu: yes
<robodex> arg... how can I import the gpg keys for the debian unstable rep?
<amiroff> thoreauputic: I am currently recording 128k stream without a hitch
<amiroff> thoreauputic: and later adding all completed songs to my playlist, that is all I wanted
<kotatsu> niciqy: it should just work - typing "java" at a prompt doesn't run it?
<thoreauputic> amiroff: cool
<kotatsu> niciqy: or are you talking about an additional folder you want in your classpath?
<niciqy> kotatsu: no, i need to set the PATH to the folder i installed it to
<alex__> how can i compile a kernel just like ubuntus standard kernel. the only change i have to do it patching the kernel with one patch. i need the same modules
<kotatsu> $ type java
<kotatsu> java is /usr/bin/java
<gfxstyler> should i install the ubuntu kde or install the official kde from their website ?
<amiroff> thoreauputic: I thought it would record as one file and I would get the songs I don't want, that's why I wanted to be able to listen at the same time
<kotatsu> niciqy: unless you did something odd to your alternatives you should have a java symlink sitting in /usr/bin
<kbitty> how do i make python daemon mode/
<kbitty> ?
<niciqy> kotatsu: its not in /usr/bin
<kotatsu> hmmm
<amiroff> thoreauputic: but since it rips records to many songs, no problem :))
<brrrt> hello, i need help for downloading ubuntu with bittorrent on a debian woody machine (in the shell)
<thoreauputic> amiroff: ah I see - but it's smart and finds the files and labels them!
<kotatsu> dpkg -l | grep sun - that reports that the j2sdk is installed?
<niciqy> kotatsu: how do I add the folder into my classpath then?
<thoreauputic> amiroff: all done by the cli streamripper - nice, isn't it?
<kotatsu> -cp
<kotatsu> or set $CLASSPATH
<kotatsu> note that if you add it to ~/.bash_profile that's only for login shells... add it to ~/.bashrc if you want it everywhere (.bashrc is sourced by .bash_profile by default)
<gfxstyler> see you later
<niciqy> kotatsu: I will try
<amiroff> thoreauputic: well, I must say, this is one of my killer linux apps now !
<thoreauputic> amiroff: yes, mine too :)
<niciqy> kotatsu: yes, its workING!!!!!
<kotatsu> niciqy: cool
<electricwheels> Good morning again.
<ohgood> hmm, had to upgrade first, but now apparently nvidia-patch works fine.. wonder if that was the only problem.
<electricwheels> I'm back to see what I can get accomplished with my grub problem I still can't get grub to load my windows xp and when I had to leave I was being told to cp /boot/grub/menu.lst to pastebin.com can we please continue from there.
<ohgood> electricwheels: did you past it somewhere ?
<electricwheels> no I haven't done that
<suifur> any of you guys have any experience in setting up a WG511 Netgear wireless card (prism54 chipset)? I've never set up wireless on linux in my life, and I'm terrible w/ it in Windows. I'm doing it in Ubuntu and the card was detected but I can't seem to get it to assign itself its own dhcp and when I set it static i still get nothing as far as a connection. I've taken off WEP/WPA for now to see if I can even just get the laptop to connect but still no
<suifur> thing.
<ohgood> electricwheels: paste it to pastebin, then we can help
<bretzel> Hi there :-) -- mmm reading here about nvidia but I logged late, is there a fix for that kernel in the ubuntu preview ?
<electricwheels> so I go to a terminal and do the command cp menu.lst pastebin.com ?
<membreya> suifur: set your SSID?
<ohgood> electricwheels: no.
<suifur> membreya: yup, the network has been working with another laptop already and now I want to add this one
<dirk_> arhg what a bad distro
<ohgood> electricwheels: cp /boot/grub/menu.lst ~/                 then open it with a text editor, and cp the contents to pastebin
<suifur> dirk_: we don't need any trolls here
<dwa_> why dirk_ ?
* ohgood ignores the idiot...
<yongjian> ok, has anybody have problem on they display resolution after upgrade from yesterday? Mine was on 1600x1200 and now, it can only up to 1280x1024. This is really pissing me off
<yongjian> Please help
<dirk_> no I know, but  loggin in is know a trouble
<dirk_> know = now
<kotatsu> yongjian: using hoary or warty?
<yongjian> hoary
<dirk_> pfff hoary i think
<nmoore> yongjian: there's a tool in gnome for resolution, or you might need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<thoreauputic> dirk_:  cat /etc/issue
<yongjian> I did
<kotatsu> yongjian: can you provide a link to your Xorg log and config file?
<yongjian> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
<dirk_> ? thoreauputic
* msh_ is away; work :<
<yongjian> ya, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20425
<membreya> dirk_: /cat /proc/version :P
<thoreauputic> dirk_: that command will say whether you have warty or hoary
<yongjian> I posted on ubuntu forum but nobody seems to know anything
<dirk_> inux version 2.6.10-4-386 (buildd@mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8 ubuntu2)) #1 Thu Mar 10 03:25:00 GMT 2005
<yongjian> Linux version 2.6.10-4-386 (buildd@mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Sat Mar 12 11:09:25 GMT 2005
<garrut> is 1600x1200 in your x.org yongjian?
<thoreauputic> membreya: who's the sadist now?
<yongjian> yes
<membreya> :)
<yongjian> YES
<dirk_> the only thing i like is x.orhg
<thoreauputic> dirk_: well, then install linspire
<ohgood> lol
<kotatsu> yongjian: the xorg.conf file you posted to that thread only goes up to 1280x1024
<dirk_> nope, too much resources
<yongjian> haha...well I like ubuntu so I will try to fix it
<ohgood> wb electricwheels
<dwa_> what is it you don't like then dirk_ ?
<M_Fatih> 1600x1200.. huh.. :)
<thoreauputic> dirk_: we're getting the impression you're low on resources, indeed
<yongjian> you should see that virtual size 1600x1200
<ohgood> thoreauputic: lol - again :)
<electricwheels> thnks
<dirk_> not impressed of loggin in as root, when you're a user
<ohgood> electricwheels: got it pasted somewhere ?
<kotatsu> dirk_: whatcha mean? sudo?
<thoreauputic> dirk_: you should *never* login as root  - you should use sudo or sudo -s
<ohgood> dirk_: i thought it was odd there was no root passwd setup during install, it's not hard to fix though ;)
<dirk_> yeah or loggin in Konsole as root
<Jesterace> has anyone built e17 on ubuntu?
<dirk_> loggin in as root is stupid
<thoreauputic> dirk_: really done your homework, haven't you?
<dirk_> not with ubuntu
<dwa_> Jesterace i did
<dwa_> i used .debs
<Jesterace> ahh
<thoreauputic> dirk_: obviously read the FAQ and all the install screens...
<dirk_> that's the reason i going back to sid
<ohgood> dirk_: what's wrong with logging in as root?
<suifur> membreya: http://pastebin.ca/7700  <--- there's what that section of my /etc/network/interfaces looks like
<yongjian>                Modes           "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
<electricwheels> I have it save in file in my home folder
<yongjian> This setting is in the xorg.conf file
<kotatsu> yongjian: that's different from your xorg file from the thread you linked
<ohgood> electricwheels: ok, open it with an editor, or your filer, and paste the contents to pastbin.com
<yongjian> that is the Xorg.0.log file
* thoreauputic just *loves* people who criticise from a position of abysmal ignorance
<membreya> suifur: any particular reason you have the channel #'d out?
* ohgood high fives thoreauputic 
<suifur> membreya: no not really
<membreya> thoreauputic: but thats the basis of all religion :P
<membreya> suifur: uncomment it and make sure it's set to the correct channel
<thoreauputic> membreya: not mine :)
<dirk_> the prob is that it not handles like debian
<suifur> membreya: ok, it's done, gonna try and start it
<membreya> worshiping yourself does not count as a religion thoreauputic
<kotatsu> dirk_: so? just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad
<thoreauputic> dirk_: then install debian, idiot
<kotatsu> dirk_: enable root if you need it (took me 2 seconds)
<SandBender> has anyone had crash issues when using hoary with the linuxant drivers?
<dirk_> for you maybe
<ohgood> electricwheels: maybe you're having trouble, here's a sample of mine: http://www.pastebin.com/259697   notice the examples of wincrap boot titles
<Jesterace> man i love bluecurve
<kotatsu> dirk_: ubuntu is debian, just configured for normal people to use out of the box
<SandBender> driverwrapper rather
<kotatsu> dirk_: you can always change settings later
<Jesterace> hehe my ubuntu almost looks like fedora heh
<electricwheels> thanks
<membreya> want a real headache dirk_ ...try gentoo
<ohgood> Jesterace: lol, the kernel, or what ? hmm
<deFrysk> Jesterace, geez
<suifur> membreya: still nothing
<Jesterace> ohgood, naw i have the bluecurve metacity theme :P
<membreya> heathen Jesterace
<deFrysk> Jesterace,  now make it boot as slow as fedora
<domtar> lol
<membreya> suifur: how are you bringing the interface up and down ?
<kotatsu> dirk_: so what are you trying to change, exactly? just want to have the root account active? or login to gnome as root? what?
<thoreauputic> membreya: your comment on my religion - umm - I will take as light hearted...
<ohgood> Jesterace: gui sstuffs don't count, i can make my gentoo 'look like' wincrap Longhorn if i wish ;)
<membreya> thoreauputic: it was very much light hearted and I intended no offence :)
<suifur> well i was using the network-admin tool, and I have also been trying ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0
<conner> yongjian: are those modes listed in the "Depth" section that corresponds to the depth you're using?
<thoreauputic> membreya: OK no worries :)
<ohgood> electricwheels: that help any ?
<vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
<vaijr2002> quick question
<ohgood> slow answer ;)
<Jesterace> hehe and i could make xp look like gnome if i wanted to :P
<thoreauputic> ohgood: haha
<fr500> hello, i'm doing a script to restore something from the previous day, how do i get yesterday's date?
<vaijr2002> to mount a partition....i make the directory, and then mount it, then edit fstab to make sure its there?
<ohgood> Jesterace: but that's no fun, and less productive ;)
<electricwheels> I'm not sure as to how I'm supposed to paste my file to pastebin.com that part I'm confused about.
<kotatsu> fr500: $ man date
<alex__> how can i compile a kernel just like ubuntus standard kernel. the only change i have to do it patching the kernel with one patch. i need the same modules
<membreya> suifur: what does dmesg say?
<ohgood> vaijr2002: don't go editing fstab while it's mounted, thought we coverd this ;)
<Jesterace> whoah
<kotatsu> fr500: I'm not sure on the exact syntax you're looking for though... you can format it in a lot of different ways
<vaijr2002> ok
<Jesterace> just got a crap load of ubuntu discs in the mail
<Jesterace> :D
<dirk_> is sudo really safe?
<Echylo> omg
<Echylo> 192 updates
<ohgood> electricwheels: don't worry, just look at mine:  http://www.pastebin.com/259697
<Echylo> are they getting crazy :p
<membreya> been off the net for a while Echylo ? :)
<vaijr2002> so make the dir like mkdir /mnt       /windows?
<membreya> Echylo: array7 :)
<Jesterace> wow
<Echylo> ow :)
<ohgood> vaijr2002: i like to mount stuffs to /mnt/      so i always know where they are... and they're farther from /
<Echylo> yea been off 2 days
<Jesterace> i have like 5 official ubuntu x86 discs :P
<CarlK_> is the rsync server having trouble?
<yongjian> ok the last two posts are mine. I've got my Xorg.0.log file and xorg.conf file all there. Here is the link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=98577#post98577
<vaijr2002> so that was right
<suifur> membreya: it says "eth0: mgmt tx queue is still full" over and over
<robodex> anyone know how to get compositing working in xfce? I compiled it with the compositor, but it's not working, even with compositing enabled in my xorg.conf
<fr500> kotatsu, i have this command: cat /tmp/filename_$(date +%m-%d-%Y)
<CarlK_> I am not getting any responce with $ rsync -avP cdimage.ubuntulinux.org::cdimage/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso ./hoary-live-i386.iso
<vaijr2002> mkdir /mnt /windows
<robodex> (I'm running hoary)
<niciqy> I am using virtual PC to run my Ubuntu, is there anyway to mount one of my NTFS to Ubuntu so I can share file between windows and linux?
<fr500> kotatsu, i need yesterday's date instead
<ohgood> vaijr2002: no
<vaijr2002> eeek
<ohgood> vaijr2002: you aren't thinking in full paths
<vaijr2002> hmm
<ohgood> vaijr2002: if you mkdir /mnt/         it will err
<Mitario> hi everyone
<ohgood> vaijr2002: you HAVE TO use FULL PATHS when making dir's... ie     mkdir /mnt/whatever
<dirk_> hallo Mitario
<Mitario> is it possible to install ubuntu on an external usb-ide disk?
<dirk_> als het boot van usb wel
<vaijr2002> so mkdir /mnt/windows?
<selinium_> thoreauputic: hi there again! wht is the -s flag for in the sudo thang?
<ohgood> vaijr2002: now you're getting it
<Mitario> dirk_ engels ;-)
<vaijr2002> then mount the partition to that dir
<ohgood> vaijr2002: i you choose
<ohgood> s/i/if
<dirk_> yeah what ever
<Mitario> i have a q-tech usb-ide thingy, but the installer did not recognize it
<Mitario> what modules do i need to load?
<vaijr2002> like mount /dev/hdb /mnt/windows?
<niciqy> ...................................
<dirk_> tried debian?
<ohgood> vaijr2002: NO!
<gfxstyler> back
<vaijr2002> damn
<kotatsu> yongjian: your refresh and sync values look low... my home panel runs at 60/81
<Mitario> dirk_ for what?
<yongjian> conner: that's actually the problem. The mode is starting from 1600x1200 but I can only get that size which bigger than my screen
<gfxstyler> all apps look weird with kde, why is this ?
<ohgood> vaijr2002: you have to start understanding PARTITIONS nad MOUNTPOINTS
<kotatsu> yongjian: try commenting out the "horizsync" and "vertrefresh" lines and restarting X
<ohgood> vaijr2002: mounting a device to a partition is your misconceptiong
<vaijr2002> hmm
<yongjian> kotatsu: well that's dpkg-reconfigure figured out
<kotatsu> yongjian: comment 'em out =)
<yongjian> Tried, it gives me 640x480
<kotatsu> yongjian: oh
<Tuxicity> niciqy, u can read NTFS in Linux, but you cant write to it
<kotatsu> well then raise the upper limits
<ohgood> vaijr2002: we've been over this for 2 weeks, either start taking notes (GET A NOTEBOOK) or giveup :)
<vaijr2002> ok so its mount /hdb /mnt/windows?
<vaijr2002> lol
<kotatsu> yongjian: probably on your horizsync
<thoreauputic> selinium_: sorry, afk
<yongjian> kotatsu: what size of your monitor?
<kotatsu> 1280x1024
<vaijr2002> grrr why cant i just say mount /hdb /mnt/windows
<ohgood> vaijr2002: i've told you, more than needed.. now start taking notes.
<membreya> suifur: you speak german ? :)
<yongjian> I was able to go to 1600x1200. I have 2001FP
<LinuxJones> gfxstyler, maybe your fonts need adjusting or a new theme maybe ?
<CarlK_> you can write to ntfs with captive-ntfs, just not wiht the linux-ntfs code
<thoreauputic> selinium_: the -s flag in sudo gives you a root shell with your usual environment, path etc
<niciqy> Tuxicity: so it impossible to share file between windows and linux??
<Xappe> vaijr2002, /devhdb
<electricwheels> in your example it has rootnoverify and In mine it just has root
<Xappe> vaijr2002, /dev/hdb
<electricwheels> does that make a difference
<vaijr2002> hmm
<ohgood> electricwheels: yes, it should
<kotatsu> yongjian: yes, try raising your horizsync to see if it lets you get that res back
<Tuxicity> niciqy, no sorry, CarlK_ is right, you can use Captive-NTFS
<thoreauputic> niciqy: you can share files
<robodex> anyone know how to get compositing working in xfce? I compiled it with the compositor, but it's not working, even with compositing enabled in my xorg.conf
<ohgood> electricwheels: you need to make sure it's pointing to the correct partition, also.
<yongjian> ok, then what should I put in?
<vaijr2002> grrr
<vaijr2002> lol
<optika> Tuxicity, niciqy: the other way to do it (since you're using vmware) is to share the folder out on your windows box, and connect to it using the linux virtual machine.
<ohgood> vaijr2002: where is your notebook ?
<electricwheels> as far as I know it is hd0,0
<yongjian> kotatsu: Like what you have?
<vaijr2002> is there a partitiion manager in ubuntu
<vaijr2002> i dont kow
<vaijr2002> know
<ohgood> electricwheels: that would be harddrive 0, partition 1
<yongjian> 60-81, do you think that would do? I can try that
<ohgood> vaijr2002: where is your notebook ?
<kotatsu> yongjian: actually here's the problem: (WW) (1600x1200,DELL 2001FP) mode clock 160.833MHz exceeds DDC maximum 160MHz
<electricwheels> I'll give you the error that I get when I try to start windows from the loader
<ohgood> vaijr2002: you have a learning problem. write things down to help you.
<vaijr2002> ok got one open
<vaijr2002> i am
<kotatsu> just try upping your horizsync limit to like 90 or something
<kotatsu> then restart X
<kotatsu> not sure if that'll make a difference, I'm not a display guru
<vaijr2002> so i mkdir /mnt /windows ?
<selinium_> thoreauputic: cheers fot that!
<niciqy> optika: sorry i didnt get it. Linux is in the virtual PC, windows is what I am using. I got no idea how to share
<ohgood> vaijr2002: mount /dev/hda* /mnt/DATA           with * being hte partition number, and /mnt/DATA the mount opint you've createed already
<kotatsu> but that line I pasted above is your problem
<_Demian_> vaijr2002, http://ubuntuguide.org/#qtparted
<ohgood> vaijr2002: this is the end of the mount lesson.
<HcE> How can I change desktops with the wheel on my mouse in Gnome?
<HcE> should I set something up?
<yongjian> kotatsu: ok but I will give it a try.
<kotatsu> I don't know if upping the horizsync increases your video card frequency
<thoreauputic> HcE: you can't
<electricwheels> root  (hd0,0)     filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7  savedefault   makeactive   chainloader +1
<optika> niciqy: first, you need to make sure that networking between the virtual pc and the windows install is working
<optika> niciqy: then, share out the folder from your windows box as you normally would
<HcE> thoreauputic: ah, so broken... :( I was giving a shot converting from Openbox
<optika> niciqy: then, connect to it from the linux virtual pc.
<ohgood> electricwheels: as root, do: fdisk -l           and see if you are pointing to the correct partition
<garrut> HcE, just hold your mousepointer over the workspace switcher and scroll
<yongjian> kotatsu, I will try that and will be right back
<thoreauputic> HcE: i wish you could too - I use it in fluxbox
<electricwheels> ok
<Xappe> hmm, why do I get "NOT AUTHENTICATED" in synaptic when trying to do a regular dist-upgrade? haven't happened since december at least...
<niciqy> optika: and how do I connect from linux?
<ohgood> electricwheels: so you want your xp partition, that is /dev/hda1, right ?
<thoreauputic> garrut: doesn't seem to work on warty ?
<vaijr2002> ok gonna go read a bit
<optika> niciqy: as you would connect to any normal smb share.
<vaijr2002> ohgood ya gonna stick with ubuntu?
<garrut> oh, i've got hoary, it works here
<optika> niciqy: Umm, you probably need to install samba.
<ohgood> vaijr2002: till i get the hang of things, then tar up root, and get back to work
<kotatsu> niciqy: install smbfs and mount it, or browse to smb://(computer) in samba
<vaijr2002> so ya going back to gentoo?
<[FiDO] > can anyone help me with a dvd problem with hoary
<thoreauputic> garrut: ah, good to know for when I upgrade
<electricwheels> that is what is being told to me from the fdisk -l my windows boot partition is hda1
<ohgood> vaijr2002: i never left gentoo, suse, or debian
<vaijr2002> lol ok
<vaijr2002> so i can use .deb packages with ubuntu?
<ohgood> electricwheels: ok, so i'll message you a typical setup...
<[FiDO] > i can play dvds but for some reason they run choppy
<electricwheels> ok thankls
<[FiDO] > I think I have all the necessary packages installed
<niciqy> kotatsu: and where i get smbfs??
<HcE> garrut: my mouse wheel dosn't work like that there, maybe I need to set an option somewhere?
<LinuxJones> [FiDO] , maybe DMA is not set on your DVD/CD drive ?
<kotatsu> $ apt-get install smbfs
<[FiDO] > how do I fix that
<ohgood> electricwheels: that should be all you need
<thoreauputic> vaijr2002: just use ubuntu debs - else things can break
<vaijr2002> okies
<kotatsu> [FiDO] : does sudo hdparm /dev/(cdrom drive) report DMA as on?
<vaijr2002> brb gonna go mess up my partition table lol
<[FiDO] > I'll try that thanks
<kotatsu> yongjian: any luck?
<electricwheels> thanks I'll give that try and see what happens and get back to you and let you know ... thanks ever so much for the help//
<ohgood> vaijr2002: you're going to cockup if you start with parted
<thoreauputic> HcE: are you using hoary?
<LinuxJones> [FiDO] , you can check by running sudo hdparm /dev/hdx (replace x with the device pointed to in ls -al /dev/cdrom)
<ohgood> vaijr2002: use your notes, mount stuffs normally. it's _easy_
<yongjian> kotatsu, I changed to 90 and no luck. still the same
<kotatsu> yongjian: is your monitor supposed to run at 60 or 75 hz?
<yongjian> kotatsu: now i am thinking if the xorg is having problem
<HcE> thoreauputic: Warty
<Smiler_> anyone know where the #evolution channel is hosted?
<thoreauputic> HcE: garrut is on hoary
<HcE> ok
<thoreauputic> HcE: sounds like a new thing
<yongjian> I am not sure, I could not find TECH spec for the DELL 2001FP for the official support refresh rate
<kotatsu> yongjian: many panels are supposed to run at 60, you might lower your vertical refresh
<yongjian> I just did dpkg-reconfigure and it detected for me
<sabmoc> I would like to write a quick how-to for changing the default mouse cursor for xorg/ubuntu how can I find out if the wiki already has one, or if not, where should I put it?
<niciqy> kotatsu: okie i installed it, then??
<kotatsu> or try disabling DDC (Option "NoDDC" "true")
<kotatsu> niciqy: just mount it as normal using the mount command: $ mount -t smbfs //computer/share /path/to/mount/dir
<yongjian> kotatsu: where should add that Option?
<DyGyTyL> there is one already..been reading through xorg docs all morning and still haven't been able to find my prob:P
<kotatsu> yongjian: under your device section
<yongjian> ok, let me try
<wnaLinux> does anyone in here know how to change the default window manager from gdm to fvwm
<ohgood> wnaLinux: gdm is the login manager
<wnaLinux> oh
<thoreauputic> wnaLinux: the window manager is metacity, actually
<ohgood> wnaLinux: you can change WM's from gdm, if you like
<yongjian> kotatsu: ok I just added. I will restart X again and see how that works and then see if we have to adjust the vertical refresh
<wnaLinux> so how do I change it from metacity to fvwm
<ohgood> no
<LinuxJones> [FiDO] , it's not set by default probably because your cdrom device is not recognized before hdparm settings are applied
<thoreauputic> ohgood: he might want to change the underlying wm for gnome?
<ohgood> wnaLinux: if you want to use fvwm exclusively, (no gnome) then just login to fvwm, from gdm
<yongjian> kotatsu: It is just weird, it was working before... :((
<inphlict> Hello0
<yongjian> BRB
<ohgood> thoreauputic: agreed, unspecified
<thoreauputic> wnaLinux: you want it under gnome?
<inphlict> I installed mplayer using this guide
<inphlict> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
<wnaLinux> yeah
<inphlict> how can i remove mplayer?
<ohgood> wnaLinux: disreguard my post
<LinuxJones> [FiDO] , :)
<deFrysk> apt-get remove mplayer
<deFrysk> sudo
<Jesterace> heh grumpygroundhog
<Jesterace> any of that work yet? :P
<Echylo> are the ubuntu servers slow?
<wnaLinux> so how do I change it from metacity to fvwm
<wnaLinux> under gnome
<deFrysk> Echylo, not realy no
<inphlict> deFrysk: that doesn't remove it
<Echylo> hmm
<LinuxJones> Hi Jesterace
* Echylo slaps his pc
<thoreauputic> wnaLinux: not sure how that's done - possibly gnome-session-properties
<inphlict> it says the package is not insatlled
<Jesterace> lo LinuxJones
<Jesterace> heh i got tons of ubuntu pressed cds in the mail today :P
<deFrysk> apt-get remove mplayer-<arch>
<inphlict> I followed the guide so it did some custom crap
<thoreauputic> wnaLinux: but that's a guess, frankly
<inphlict> I get "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'"
<inphlict> with the command u gave me
<deFrysk> inphlict, geez you compiled it
<inphlict> yes I did
<ohgood> why ?
<inphlict> i'm a noob
<kotatsu> yongjian: not sure what else to tell you =\ hopefully someone will respond to your post with the answer
<inphlict> I wanted to try it
<deFrysk> noobs dont compile
<inphlict> I followed that guide and compiled it
<Tuxicity> ahahaha
<kotatsu> yongjian: display settings are really hard to troubleshoot without being in front of the screen, sometimes
<inphlict> how can I remove it?
<wnaLinux> so uhh you dont know how to do it?
<inphlict> nope :(
<thoreauputic> inphlict: there is sometimes a "make uninstall" script in the build directory
<inphlict> I'm very new to linux
<inphlict> let me check
<thoreauputic> wnaLinux: I don't, no - someone does for sure - have you googled ?
<deFrysk> inphlict, go to the folders where you installed it from and do make uninstall blah
<deFrysk> inphlict, and hope for the best
<inphlict> how do I do make uninstall?
<inphlict> and why hope for the best?
<deFrysk> sudo make uninstall
<deFrysk> inphlict, success is not guaranteed
<thoreauputic> inphlict: because such a script is not always included
<ells> anyone know the difference between hoary ubuntu and kubuntu hoary, just curious
<ohgood> hmm, hoary mplayer howto's anyone ?
<malte`> ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu uses kde
<deFrysk> ohgood wikipages restricted formats
<thoreauputic> ells: kubuntu has kde as a base
<ells> malte' thanks
<ells> thoreauputic, thanks
<Tuxicity> ells, explained kubuntu.org.uk FAQ
<ohgood> deFrysk: come again ?
<[FiDO] > LinuxJones: I changed the hdparm.conf file to enable dma
<ells> Tuxicity, thanks
<ells> has anyone ever had to use the debian irc line
<deFrysk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<[FiDO] > that should make it so it will be automatically enabled at boot right
<ells> those folks are like ultra rude
<inphlict> I get make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
<LinuxJones> [FiDO] , ok you should be fine now :)
<malte`> they go like "RTFM" every time
<niciqy> does Ubuntu has gvim?
<thoreauputic> ells: heh - thay have a reputation ;)
<[FiDO] > thanks dude
<LinuxJones> [FiDO] , :)
<Seveas> niciqy, gtkvim
<ells> thoreauputic, I almost had to curse one jerk off out
<ohgood> deFrysk: oh, ty sir, missed that link at first
<ells> I have debian on my desktop and ubuntu on my laptop
<Seveas> niciqy, apt-get install vim-gtk :)
<yongjian> kotatsu: YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!
<thoreauputic> ells: good place to lurk, but don't mention ubuntu
<deFrysk> yongjian, no i am ;p
<LinuxJones> ells, stay in #ubuntu a better class of people reside here :)
<yongjian> It is the DDC stuff that caused this problem
<thoreauputic> ells: some of them are very knowledgable
<ells> thoreauputic, tell me bout it, i mention that I have ubuntu on my laptop and that my wireless would not work on debian and they freaked out
<yongjian> well, whoever figured might be the "DDC" issue is rock
<ells> I agree that ubuntu are better folks
<kotatsu> yongjian: it's working now?
<thoreauputic> ells: but some of them are...er..immature
<yongjian> kotatsu: YES. It is back to 1600x1200
<yongjian> The DDC is the killer
<deFrysk> ells its the irc way of talking
<Seveas> ells, is your wireless working already?
<robodex> anyone know how to get compositing working in xfce? I compiled it with the compositor, but it's not working, even with compositing enabled in my xorg.conf
<kotatsu> yongjian: awesome hehe, I've had problems with DDC myself in the past, although they seem to have gone away now
<thoreauputic> ells: well, stick with #ubuntu
<deFrysk> ells, get used to it
<ells> thoreauputic, I agree, one guy is from Australia and has to be like 12 years old
<ells> deFrysk, should not have to
<yongjian> kotatsu: This is a bug
<ells> deFrysk, we are trying to spread linux
<thoreauputic> ells: heh - i'm from Australia too :)
<CarlK_> can someone try the rsync command for "Or, for live CD" on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu - I am getting errors
<LinuxJones> ells, there are alot of good people there but a few elitist man-page-memorizing-zobies with big egos will let you know how great they are :)
<niciqy>  Seveas: apt-get install vim-gtk :) == error
<ells> thoreauputic, nothing personal, he was just immature
<thoreauputic> ells: I know :)
<ells> LinuxJones, I agree
<Seveas> niciqy, don't copy the smily
<Seveas> just:
<deFrysk> ells, agree but we are also volunteers here and sometimes need to blow off some irc steam
<Seveas> apt-get install vim-gtk
<robodex> too many updates aaaaaa! I just updated and already I have 9 more packages to update
<yongjian> I got a while to confim it is the DDC issue cause I commented out something else but later I figured out that is the issue
<ells> LinuxJones, One guy was rude and said he was trying to help
<ells> LinuxJones, I told him, really, how so
<yongjian> kotatsu: Thank you so much for helping!
<kotatsu> yongjian: you're welcome, glad it's working for ya now
<yongjian> It is much better now...
<ells> deFrysk, ,agreed, but this is a community of friends, or it should be
<thoreauputic> ells: forget #debian, we all know what it's like: it makes an amusing spectator blood sport
<LinuxJones> ells, I stopped going into that channel like 2 years ago because of that foolishness
<kotatsu> thoreauputic: want to hold hands and skip, friend?
<inphlict> sweet
<ells> thoreauputic: I agree, if ubuntu would work on my desktop it would be onhere
<inphlict> I did it!
<deFrysk> ells, again its irc culture
<LinuxJones> ells, what's wrong ?
<ells> thoreauputic: something to do with the framebuffer
<niciqy>  Seveas: no such package. its change to vim-gnome vim
<ells> LinuxJones, locks up at begin install
<ells> LinuxJones, Sis chipset
<ells> on board video,  yaknow
<thoreauputic> kotatsu: I'm not really thehand holding type - more the tree hugging type ;-)
* ohgood gets confused with apt/synaptic stuffs for installing something as simple as mplayer... shakes head
<ells> thoreaputic, good call
<kotatsu> bah, suck
<kotatsu> that's no fun
<larsrohdin> im using gdm... how can i change the picture too my account?
<LinuxJones> ells, it just freezes ?
<ells> LinuxJones, yeap
<ells> LinuxJones, hopefully, hoary will take instead
<ells> LinuxJones,  doesnt make sense
<LinuxJones> ells, can you change to another virtual terminal or it's a hard freeze ?
<optika> farruinn: er, just in case you care, reinstalling libgnome did the trick wrt those gnome-theme problems :)
<monteiro> anyone knows how i download the characters that is missing on my characters map ?
<ells> LinuxJones, not sure totally what ya mean, but it locks up tighter than a drum
<kotatsu> I thought mplayer was in ubuntu already... mplayer-custom or something
<inphlict> whats the command to del files from terminal
<ells> LinuxJones, no cursor nothing
<Seveas> kotatsu, it's in the marillat repos
<optika> inphlict: rm
<inphlict> thnx
<apokryphos> inphlict: man rm
<LinuxJones> ells, so if you do ctrl+alt+F3 it won't change to a new terminal ?
<ells> LinuxJones, honestly did not try that
<ells> LinuxJones, I can see the screen that asks which language
<niciqy> kotatsu: still cant get the Samba thing to work
<ells> LinuxJones, bu that is it
<ells> LinuxJones, maybe I will try it again today
<ells> LinuxJones, is hoary good enough now to do a fresh install with it
<LinuxJones> ells, sometimes a bad cd burn can do that can yo check the md5sum of your downloaded .iso file against the md5sum of the .iso on the ftp server ?
<ells> LinuxJones,  this is a real ubuntu cd, from them
<LinuxJones> ells, ahhh
<inphlict> how do I get out of the man rm thing with out closing the terminal?
<goldfish_> inphlict: q
<ells> LinuxJones
<ells> LinuxJones: sorry, do you think hoary is good enough to do a fresh install,ya think
<LinuxJones> ells, you weren't messing about with your bios settings by any chance. I installed Ubuntu on my nephew's computer and after resetting the system bios it installed just fine
<ells> LinuxJones,  not me personally, but it is freshly built
<ells> LinuxJones,I built it just for linux
<ells> LinuxJones, as a semi-file server
<ells> 120 gig
<LinuxJones> ells, If it is a new mobo I would check for a bios update. Maybe there were some probles that needed addressing.
<vaijr2002> weeeeeeeeeeeeee i did it. mounted my two win partitions and didnt goof up my fstab woot woot
<ells> LinuxJones: maybe I will try to install hoary directly instead of warty
<oclv> is there a known issue with xmms and hoary i've missed somewhere ?
<EsK> sup
<LinuxJones> ells, new things are being fixed all the time :)
<Xappe> oclv, what's the problem?
<ells> LinuxJones, I agree
<thoreauputic> ells: hoary goes "stable"  in a few weeks anyway
<oclv> Xappe: lib errors, can't find/use stuffs for xmms
<ells> LinuxJones, I really like ubuntu
<ells> thoreauputic, cool
<ells> thoreauputic, ubuntu for life
<LinuxJones> ells, is it a 64 bit system you built ?
<Xappe> oclv, hmm...never heard of that. my xmms is fine
<ells> thoreauputic, very nice and user friendly
<ells> LinuxJones, unfortunately not, but it is amd
<LinuxJones> oclv, libmikmod it can't find ??
<oclv> Xappe: ok, how did you isntall it ?
<ells> LinuxJones, ,the Cebron?
<thoreauputic> ells: yes, it fixed my sound problems automagicaly :)
<Xappe> oclv, apt-get install xmms
<ells> thoreauputic: nice
<LinuxJones> ells, I wouldn't run anything but AMD on a pc :)
<ells> thoreauputic: using ubuntu, my wireless worked out the box on my laptop
<oclv> Xappe: apt says i hve the latest
<ells> LinuxJones, agree
<niciqy> kotatsu: i got an error: error connecting (operation already in progress)
<ells> LinuxJones, my laptop though is a 17 in toshiba
<Jesterace> i should put the ubuntu live cd in my gf's laptop and see what happens
<Xappe> oclv, weird
<LinuxJones> oclv, apt-get update && apt-get install libmikmod2
<ells> LinuxJones, Intel 3.0 gig
<thoreauputic> oclv: try sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
<LinuxJones> ells, 17" laptop *drools*
<oclv> LinuxJones: where might i have found this nugget ?
<ells> LinuxJones, it was from the pops for college
<LinuxJones> oclv, it's in one of the apt- repositories
<oclv>  (same error btw)
<ells> LinuxJones, I am an old student
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: ah sorry - didn't see your answer
<LinuxJones> ells, I am old AND dim-whitted :)
<EsK> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 Mem: 485/757M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 35.17G Free: 31.20G Procs: 104 Uptime: 20 hrs 34 mins 41 secs Load: 0.94 0.45 0.35  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1280x1024 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 69.81M Out: 2.99M
<ells> LinuxJones, I am in the army, bout to grad. on 28th
<oclv> i don't suppose there is some other hidden thing i need for xmms ?
<LinuxJones> ells, great
<ells> LinuxJones, I am out in Colorado
<ells> LinuxJones, thanks
<Xappe> oclv, shouldn't be
<thoreauputic> EsK: erm - what was the sysinfo in aid of?
<Xappe> oclv, have you tried beep media player?
<ells> LinuxJones, I will have a BS in bs, naw, jk,  I will have BS in Project Man.
<EsK> idk
<niciqy> why is samba giving me time out error?
<EsK> had to make my entrance
<LinuxJones> ells, the only place in the state I want to visit is Colorado Too much John Denver on the radio as a kid I guess :D
<oclv> Xappe: hehe, beep hasn't cut the mustard in some time, or i would just get it. :(
<kotatsu> niciqy: when you try to mount it or browse to it?
<ells> LinuxJones, nice place
<_Demian_> does anyone know where to get a good c compiler?
<EsK> gcc
<thoreauputic> EsK: in some channels, would have been followed by a quick exit :)
<vaijr2002> now lets see if i can install mplayer lol
<EsK> oh well
<kotatsu> _Demian_: $ apt-get install gcc
<niciqy> kotatsu: mount
<EsK> lots of IPs ;)
<_Demian_> kotatsu, thnx
<thoreauputic> _Demian_: no, sudo apt-get install build-essential
<kotatsu> niciqy: try using nautilus to browse to the share
<ells> LinuxJones, did you say you are from Australia
<Xappe> oclv, that's because mustard doesn't need any cutting. just use a spoon...
<LinuxJones> ells, Eastern Canada
<thoreauputic> _Demian_: you'll need more than gcc
<oclv> Oh well, maybe i'll try hoary again when the _next_ unstable version is released. no more time to play now. good job so far folks, and good luck.
<kotatsu> niciqy: Places --> Network Servers --> Windows Network
<_Demian_> it worked
<oclv> Xappe: hehe, agreed.
<ells> LinuxJones, ,nice
<_Demian_> as far as I can tell :)
<inphlict> Hey, can someone please address this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20756
<oclv> ba bye
<ells> LinuxJones, cold, most of the year, right
<LinuxJones> ells, Spring is just around the corner...thank god
<_Demian_> thoreauputic, thnx
<ells> LinuxJones, yeap
<ells> LinuxJones, kind of nice today here
<EsK> they need to update the ubuntu guide
<LinuxJones> ells, actually we only got about 4 feet of snow all year and rather mild to boot :)
<ells> LinuxJones, do you have the exact url do a fresh hoary download
<Xappe> here we had a nice day, but now it's all snowy :/
<ells> LinuxJone, nice
<LinuxJones> ells, www.archive.ubuntulinux.org
<ells> LinuxJones, thanks
<ells> LinuxJones, you sure, it didnt come up
<niciqy> where is places???
<SpOoKySpOoKy> hello
<Xappe> but the weather seems quite nice downtown: http://www.uu.se/carpediem/ :)
<flawd> anyone here who uses cedega and has been able to install a game with more than one cd?
<SpOoKySpOoKy> anybody who would like to help me?
<SpOoKySpOoKy> I'm running the live cd
<CarlK_> SpOoKySpOoKy - yes, type some things
<SpOoKySpOoKy> so
<LinuxJones> Xappe, where is that Spain ?
<Xappe> sweden
<LinuxJones> Xappe, ahh
<niciqy> kotatsu: what places?
<SpOoKySpOoKy> I'd like to run with vga 800x600 but the monitor has blinking
<SpOoKySpOoKy> the leds
<SpOoKySpOoKy> how can I set the 800x600 in lower resolution for the live cd
<SpOoKySpOoKy> ?
<ells> LinuxJones,  found it thanks
<EsK> i need like, 20 bucks, can anyone donate to the EsK cancer survival center?
<LinuxJones> ells, great
<ells> LinuxJones, I am gonna try Hoary today
<EsK> ells, great
<ells> LinuxJones, on the.........DESKTOP
<EsK> <---desktop
<ells> Esk, I tried ubuntu warty before on it, a nd it locked up
<Xappe> *damdamdamdam* <-- jaws music
<EsK> oh
<EsK> ok
<ells> Esk, will try Hoary and see the diff.
<EsK> koool
<EsK> cool*
<EsK> alright
<ells> Esk, no prob
<EsK> dont mess up anything or you'd have to reinstall like me
<ells> Esk, ,i have done that enough times
<LinuxJones> ells, I hope it works for you. If you have the same problem with Hoary I would first reset bios, check again then look for a bios update
<EsK> yeah
<ells> LinuxJones: cool
<EsK> who runs kubuntu in here
<niciqy> kotatsu: what Places????
<goldfish_> EsK: try in #kubuntu
<ells> LinuxJones: someone told me that Linux doesnt like Sis, not sure if true
<EsK> i mean
<EsK> okay w/e
<ells> Esk: why not just go straight ubuntu
<EsK> ma
<thoreauputic> ells: I have sis onboard
<LinuxJones> ells, mmm I don't know for sure
<EsK> i like em both
<ells> thoreauputic, really
<thoreauputic> ells: I think as always "it depends"
<ells> thoreauputic, works fine?
<ells> thoreauputic, okay
<kotatsu> niciqy: click on your "places" menu at the top of the screen
<thoreauputic> ells: had a lot of sound problems with sis, but ubuntu resolved them
<ells> thoreauputic, the board is winfast or something
<EsK> is there any environments other than kde n gnome on ubuntu
<ells> thoreauputic: on board sound
<thoreauputic> ells Asus board here
<ells> thoreauputic: winfast K7S
<thoreauputic> ells: my sound is onboard si7012
<kotatsu> EsK: yes, to varying degrees... you can replace your window manager only, or use something like xfce to replace most of your desktop
<ells> thoreauputic: okay
<EsK> oh
<ells> thoreauputic: now problems but the video deal
<EsK> i need to shit
<EsK> brb
<ells> thoreauputic: something bout trying to enable the frame buffer
<niciqy> kotatsu: there is just a panel with Applications and Computer
<sig> anyone using gmplayer?
<vaijr2002> weeeee got me email done too woot this is easier than suse or gentoo lol
<niciqy> kotatsu: no "places"
<Xappe> sig, now and then, yes
<vaijr2002> now the only things i cant do is get this one stupid program working right verlihub
<thoreauputic> ells: you could try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure --plow xserver-xfree86 and say no to the framebuffer
<sig> Xappe: hmm
<vaijr2002> thanks for the link Xappe
<thoreauputic> ells: might work, worth a try
<ells> thoreauputic: that is at the very beginning: it locks up at the screen where it asks the language
<Xappe> vaijr2002, what link?
<ells> thoreauputic: hopefully, Hoary will solve my issues
<thoreauputic> ells: hmm - you can run commands in another tty if you can get to one
<vaijr2002> http://ubuntuguide.org/#qtparted
<ells> thoreauputic: no movement at all including mouse and or cursor
<Xappe> vaijr2002, hmm, that was not me?
<vaijr2002> oh ok hehe
<ells> thoreauputic: kind of like Fort Knox
<vaijr2002> well thanks whom every did lol
<thoreauputic> ells: urghh - bad news :(
<vaijr2002> really helpfull
<vaijr2002> i need a smart person though to help me get this program working
<vaijr2002> its verlihub direct connect hub program
<ells> thoreauputic: I am optimistic, I am on it right now, , Debian works on it, hopefully Hoary will
<vaijr2002> thats the only thing i cant get working
<ells> thoreauputic: warty just doesnt
<thoreauputic> ells: ah, yes that sounds positive
<ells> thoreauputic: even if it doesnt, i am done with the debian irc
<DyGyTyL> if an app requires the X Windows System libraries and headers, what pkg would that fall under? :/
<goldfish> is #debian that bad?
<vaijr2002> brb
<ells> goldfish: yes
<EsK> igh back
<goldfish> hehe
<thoreauputic> ells: hehe - yes I can understand that: I learnt a lot in there though, so it isn't all bad :)
<ells> goldfish: they are rude
<goldfish> ah right
<warthawg> man, ubuntu hoary preview gets a failing grade on the install
<goldfish> I'm a n00b, luckily i came in here and not there :)
<ells> thoreauputic: I could see that
<apokryphos> goldfish: ventured in there a couple of times. Asked an apt problem, but they were... let's say: unhappy, that I used Ubuntu ;-). The heat conjured up could be felt miles away
<sig> warthawg: why?
<LinuxJones> warthawg, what's wrong ?
<ells> goldfish, yes you are, these guys r friendly and good at what they do
<apokryphos> I think many are a little sour about such issues
<warthawg> sig LinuxJones   it offers me one choice for partitioning, wipe everything out and take it over
<thoreauputic> goldfish: keep very quiet for a month or so if you  venture into #debian, is my advice
<LinuxJones> warthawg, what ?
<sig> warthawg: why not upgrade with apt?
<warthawg> LinuxJones:  i can't keep existing partitions, they don't appear
<LinuxJones> warthawg, that's not right
<goldfish> thoreauputic: hehe, think i'll stay out :)
<ells> thoreauputic, truly, those guys are not altogether nice folks
<warthawg> LinuxJones:  you're dmn right it's not :)
<ells> goldfish, they are like sharks
<petemc> ells: you cant tar everyone with the same brush
<goldfish> lol
<thoreauputic> goldfish: it's a real pity, because some of them really know their stuff
<ells> petemc, ,truly
<ells> petemc, have been in there a dozen or so times
<LinuxJones> warthawg, did you look at the help screen F1 I think
<goldfish> shame
<ells> petemc, someone is being rude to someone
<thoreauputic> petemc: that's true - some people in #debian are excellent
<warthawg> linuxjones  i'll try F1
<ells> petemc, there should be some respect amongst the community , ya know
<Xappe> petemc, you can tar everybody with the right command though :)
<petemc> ells: this is true, but put 700 people together and you'll get that in almost any situation
<ells> Xappe , that works
<LinuxJones> warthawg, I upgraded from Warty but find it hard to believe you can't keep your partitions...waht kind of hard drive do you have ?
<ells> petemc: hardly ever in here
<thoreauputic> ells: I think petemc has done some time in #debian :)
<ells> thoreauputic: it is all good,  I just wont go in thre again
<warthawg> LinuxJones  IBM t40 laptop
<EsK> debian is a pain in the ass to install
<ells> petemc: all is good,  just have had bad experiences in there
<LinuxJones> warthawg, that an ide drive ?
<petemc> ells: fair enough :)
<thoreauputic> EsK: not now, with the d-i installer
<ells> petemc: what r u running
<apokryphos> hehe. I just checked now... not a pretty site
<petemc> ubuntu on my laptop, debian on my servers
<thoreauputic> EsK: the debian installer is the same as the ubuntu installer now, BTW
<niciqy> kotatsu: there is just a panel with Applications and Computer, non "places"!!!
<DyGyTyL> dselect rocked back in the day..heh, aint got nothin on synaptics now though
<ells> petemc: ubuntu on my desktop and debian on my desktop
<ells> petemc: switch that
<petemc> :)
<warthawg> LinuxJones:  yes, IDE
<EsK> not really
<EsK> cuz it was diff
<ells> petemc; I mean on my laptop ubuntu, and debian on my desktop
<EsK> well the one i had
<EsK> it was alot diff than ubuntu
<warthawg> there is a parameter for the thinkpad floppy, but that's the only thing i see
<foreach> Has anyone in here successfully gone from warty to hoary? I'm still on warty, and wondering if the bugs are going to kill me
<thoreauputic> EsK: the sarge installer, or woody? (the older one?)
<kasper> whats difference between Ubuntu Linux 5.04 : The Hoary Hedgehog Release and 4.10?
<ells> foreach, yes, took some work
<thoreauputic> foreach: probably most people here are on hoary
<goldfish> kasper: 5.04 is the new version
<ells> kasper, have seen better network tools at least fo wireless
<foreach> ells - 'course. Then again, am I better off waiting until the official release? It is right around the corner
<Usiu> Why The Fuck I can get Gimp workin on hoary ??
<goldfish> i'm still on warty
<kasper> is it worth me upgrading to 4.10
<kasper> lol
<EsK> probably woody, idk, it was alot of stuff on it
<goldfish> afriad to try to upgrade :)
<ells> foreach, if you can live without the tools, probably
<kasper> so downgrading it would be
<goldfish> kasper: emm...
<ells> goldfish, not hard
<goldfish> kasper: why ? :)
<foreach> ells - tools?
<kasper> so why does it have 4.10 new version everywhere?
<kasper> e.g. forum
<kasper> main site
<ells> foreach, network tools
<thoreauputic> EsK: the woody installer was , er, challenging at times ;)
<Usiu> I need it !!
<EsK> yeah
<goldfish> kasper: well, hoary is not been released as stable yet.
<ells> foreach, use them on my laptop for wireless
<ells> foreach, they are awesome
<goldfish> kasper: couple of weeks, but most ppl are running it.
<kasper> so hoary mean not stable
<Usiu> WHY The Fuck I nautilus with python-nautilus segfaults !!
<DyGyTyL> now that i've successfully converted to 5.04 (almost anyway) i can't live without the new utils:P
<goldfish> kasper: it's close to stable i think
<goldfish> kasper: due to be released in april
<kasper> Warty Warthog 4.10 is stable?
<foreach> ells - heh. I'll do some more reading before I make the switch
<goldfish> kasper: yep
<Xappe> april 6th or something like that
<kasper> cool
<goldfish> kasper: 5.04 is close to stable
<goldfish> alot of ppl in here run it
<ells> foreach, ,be my guest, it works pretty good though
<thoreauputic> Usiu: take ten deep breaths...
<kasper> when i try to add kde in its gui synaptic
<kasper> it has errors with adding kde-addons and konq plugin
<vaijr2002> when i do a make install do i have to do sudo make install?
<thoreauputic> vaijr2002: why are you compiling?
<vaijr2002> yes
<goldfish> lol
<thoreauputic> haha
<EsK> can someone donate me some CD-Rs
<LinuxJones> good answer
<niciqy> seriously need enlightenment on "Places --> Network Servers --> Windows Network"
<vaijr2002> i have to do sudo right?
<ankit> my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
<LinuxJones> vaijr2002, what are you trying to compile ?
<vaijr2002> verlihub
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: there was no comma between why and are ;-)
<vaijr2002> it was tar.gz i extracted it went to dir, and did ./configure, then did make
<kasper> does ubuntu update to kde3.3?
<kasper> and does it run stable?
<apokryphos> kasper: ubuntu hoary now has 3.4
<Terrasque> how does ubuntu run with kde?
<ankit> my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
<Rene_S> kasper: seems to run quite well
<LinuxJones> thoreauputic, me vocabularie good :)
<kasper> 5.4?
<apokryphos> Terrasque: what do you mean, "how"?
<goldfish> how well probably
<apokryphos> Terrasque: if you mean quality-wise -- it runs very well.
<ankit> what do I do???
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: heh :)
<kasper> fuckin cool
<ankit> my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
<ankit>  what do I do?
<kasper> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18201
<kasper> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16448
<kasper> i love kde
<kasper> i run it on my suse
<ankit> hmmm...cant anyone help me puhleeeze ::my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
<ankit> ::what do i do?
<kasper> i hate gnome
<kasper> ugly
<vaijr2002> wierd no errors this time hehe
<vaijr2002> brb
<apokryphos> kasper: kubuntu users neither of those :)
<Terrasque> apokryphos: like, will I lose any functions compared to running gnome? (since gnome is default, I'm assuming that gnome gets more focus)
<EsK> i kno theres a bug in kde when u get it with fedora
<kasper> i know but their nice
<EsK> i dont get the message with gnome
<thoreauputic> kasper: /join #kubuntu :)
<apokryphos> Terrasque: the kubunut team is making sure that isn't the case.
<kasper> thanx thoreauputic
<vaijr2002> what is the extension of an executable file in linux
<Terrasque> apokryphos: kubuntu and ubuntu is just two frontends for the same system?
<vaijr2002> in win its exe
<Terrasque> vaijr2002: chmod u+x
<Bubbling_Zombie> there's none
<thoreauputic> vaijr2002: not applicable
<Xappe> vaijr2002, no extensions
<apokryphos> Terrasque: kind of. See www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/kubuntu
<Terrasque> k
<vaijr2002> ok well i found where it installed/compiled to
<vaijr2002> but the icon wont execute
* Terrasque is testing latest hoary install now :-) Can't wait till its final
<thoreauputic> vaijr2002: what's the app? and the command?
<vaijr2002> its verlihub
<vaijr2002> and i dont know what ya mean by command
<niciqy> When trying to enable Windows networking to access windows files in
<niciqy> Network settings it tells me I do not have SMB support installed.
<niciqy> What do I do now?
<thoreauputic> vaijr2002: what command is issued to execute it from a terminal?
<Terrasque> althru, met a weird bug in the install part (was in warty too). ethernet card is borked under install (but works perfectly fine if you reboot after the installation is done)
<vaijr2002> dunno lol
<Usiu> thoreauputic, Gimp is the most critical software for me!
<vaijr2002> aint read that far yet lol
<EsK> my gimp locks up on xsane
<thoreauputic> Usiu: um... that's nice: why are you telling me though?
<vaijr2002> i figured it out
<Terrasque> thoreauputic: maybe he wanted you to know
<thoreauputic> Terrasque: I guess so...
<Terrasque> apokryphos: one quick question. If I do an ubuntu install and apt-gets kde, will there be any big differences between that and kubuntu?
<apokryphos> Terrasque: join #kubuntu ;-)
<LinuxJones> Terrasque, jsut install kubuntu-desktop and once you login to KDE your in kubuntu
<Terrasque> LinuxJones: great :-)
<thoreauputic> hehe - Usiu just vented his spleen about gimp in #ubuntu-motu
<LinuxJones> Terrasque, that was easy :)
<joskulj> hi. I just installed Hoary and I have 2 quite minor questions
<apokryphos> Also, as an extra note... if you don't want all the things provided with kubuntu-desktop (it pulls in OpenOffice and a lot more things), then you can just gof or kde-core and kubuntu-default-settings
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah go that route
<Terrasque> apokryphos: I'm just trying to figure out how many cd's I'll need ;-)
<alec> joskulj, just ask
<apokryphos> Terrasque: for what?
<Terrasque> apokryphos: for ubuntu/kubuntu. If I can apt-get the difference, I don't need two cd's
<apokryphos> Terrasque: that's right. You never need to download more than one ISO in your life with [k] ubuntu
<niciqy> where can I get GTK?
<joskulj> alec: ok: when I mount my usb-stick the desktop icon for it is labelled "SMFS1.0 ---". Can I change this somehow?
<LinuxJones> Terrasque, actually you can do a custom install then upgrade to your choice. There are different version for folks who don't have high speed internet connections but want one or the other
<thoreauputic> niciqy: apt-cache search gtk | less   (there'll be a lot of stuff)
<CompotatoJ> Hey, how would I go about deleting grub off one hd and installing it on anotherZ
<_Demian_> how do I Install a priner
<_Demian_> printer
<_Demian_> that is
<CarlK_> CompotatoJ - install it on the 2nd and forget about the one of the 1st
<thoreauputic> niciqy: you probably need to be a bit more specific about what part of GTK you actualy want
<LinuxJones> CompotatoJ, you can backup the MBR using dd and then add it to your new harddrive and copy all necessary files like the kernel and grub files but it's easier to re-install to the new drive
<CompotatoJ> How do I install grub inside ubuntu?
<LinuxJones> CompotatoJ, it should already be installed unless you installed lilo or something
<CompotatoJ> Typing with Dvorak is really hard! =] 
<thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: from the man page: grub-install - install GRUB on your drive
<CompotatoJ> LinuxJones, it is, so how do I config it
<CompotatoJ> ok thx thoreauputic
<alec> joskulj, renaming it doesn't work?
<LinuxJones> CompotatoJ, you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
<thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: the most important file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
<alec> joskulj, (i don't have a usb stick)
<niciqy> how can i enable windows networking?
<thoreauputic> grr... lag
<LinuxJones> I have to split BB later
<CompotatoJ> oh, but isnnt my /boot on the wrong hdZ
<niciqy> how can i enable windows networking? keep having SNB support error
<CompotatoJ> niciqy, its smb
<thoreauputic> niciqy: you need samba and probably smbfs
<niciqy> i install smbfs
<niciqy> but still having the same error
<thoreauputic> niciqy: and samba?
<CompotatoJ> what is the errZ
<niciqy> samba??
<niciqy> how to install samba?
<thoreauputic> niciqy: samba is the win network server
<thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install samba
<apokryphos> niciqy: I think there's stuff on ubuntuguide.org about it
<goldfish> ther is
<niciqy> okie
<yhonatan> i need some help
<robodex> hmm
* wland hi all
<goldfish> hello
<robodex> anyone else having the problem where whenever you press the ' key in firefox the find menu opens?
<yhonatan> i want to use universe
<monteiro> anyone knows how i download the characters that is missing on my characters map ?
<robodex> does it as well
<robodex> err /
<yhonatan> but when i open "synatipc
<yhonatan> "
<yhonatan> i get that message:
<yhonatan> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
<yhonatan> what i need to do?
<Terrasque> yhonatan: clicked on "Reload" ?
* Spooks is so very lost.
<yhonatan> amm..
<thoreauputic> yhonatan: that line is wrong
<thoreauputic> it should have spaces
<thoreauputic> you need to re-edit it
<yhonatan> what i need to edit?
<deFrysk>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
<deFrysk> like so
<ericb2> hi
<yhonatan> what?
<thoreauputic> yhonatan: the slash after hoary looks wrong
<yhonatan> ohhh
<thoreauputic> yhonatan: should be a space I'd say
<thoreauputic> yhonatan: check the syntax of your other lines as well
<ericb2> what is necessary to compile a new kernel from kernel.org on amd64 ? I have a strange scripts/kconfig/mconf: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by scripts/kconfig/mconf)
<ericb2>  ?
<ericb2> what is necessary to compile a new kernel from kernel.org on amd64 ?
<jbailey> ericb2: Looks like someone has handed you a precompiled binary that wants a newer glibc than we have in Hoary.
<ericb2> sorry... the begining was lost...
<jbailey> ericb2: You need to build that from source.
<ericb2> jbailey : hi
<ericb2> jbailey : so is ther a line to add in /etc/apt/sources.;list ?
<ericb2> s /ther/there/
<jbailey> ericb2: No.  There's nothing you can usefully do on a Hoary or Warty system to make that binary run.
<jbailey> ericb2: You need to ask whoever gave it to you for the source so you can build it yourself.
<ericb2> jbailey : I ask here ?
* ericb2 doesn't understand, sorry
<jbailey> ericb2: Who gave you the thing that gives you that error message?
<ericb2> jbailey : make menuconfig
<Ratty> hi dudes
<jbailey> ericb2: Sorry, from what program?
<jbailey> ericb2: Is that something that Ubuntu has in it?
<Ratty> bit of a newb q, when i set my clock to 12hr mode in gnome, it doesn't show am/pm on the end. how do i go about fixing this?
<ericb2> jbailey : I have 2.6.11.3 sources, from kernel.org, because I wanted to build my on kernel
<jbailey> Ah.  I don't know anything about building kernels.  But it looks like that package includes a binary and probably shouldn't.
<ericb2> for now, uname -a give me :
<ericb2> Linux lou 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8  #1 Tue Mar 15 14:42:38 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
<Ratty> is there a thing similar to "regional settings" in gnome?
<ericb2> jbailey:  thank's :-)
<jbailey> ericb2: maybe try running 'make clean' first or something.
<thoreauputic> Ratty: strange that it doesn't show AM and PM
<Ratty> yeah :/
<jbailey> ericb2: Sorry I don't have better advice, I don't compile my own kernels.
<Ratty> kinda annoying
<Ratty> guess i'll have to get used to 24hr clocks
<HiddenWolf> is there some terminal command that gives the kernel version / distro name?
<thoreauputic> Ratty: indeed - I'm on warty and mine shows that OK
<hannes_> uname
<rewop> hello?
<Ratty> what is the time format stored?
<ericb2> jbailey : yes :-)) I was stupid -> make mrproper does it !!
<goldfish> hi
<hannes_> hannes@ylakone:~ $ uname -a
<hannes_> Linux ylakone 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
<apokryphos> HiddenWolf: what hannes_ said and cat /etc/version
<ericb2> :-)  bye !
<Ratty> where is the time format stored? even
<thoreauputic> HiddenWolf: and cat /etc/issue
<rewop> does anyone in here use bittorrent?
<thoreauputic> tells you warty/hoary
<rewop> and hoary?
<apokryphos> whoops, that's it, yes. Eek, getting rusty.
<hannes_> rewop: yes, azureus
<Spooks> Ok, just downloaded & installed wine... but I can't get it to run, is there something I should do first before it will work?
<Spooks> Or am I just stupid, kthnx
<goldfish> rewop: use bitorrent on warty
<hannes_> Spooks: you run programs via wine
<Spooks> ah
<rewop> goldfish: what do you mean? can't i do it on hoary?
<Spooks> like, right-click, open with wine?
<hannes_> so just wine /path/to/program.exer
<thoreauputic> Spooks: you're just stupid *grin*  - I haven't used wine, but I believe you do `wine foo.exe `
<hannes_> -r
<goldfish> rewop: yep
<goldfish> rewop: im just on warty, havent upgraded yet
<rewop> goldfish: why?
* Spooks thinks he understands
<goldfish> yo ucan
<Ratty> :( i guess my clock is screwed
<rewop> my problem is that only Gnome Bittorrent works.. and only sometimes.. i usually uses btlaunchmanycurses
<goldfish> rewop: tried azureus?
<Ratty> welp ta anyway. back to winblows
<Ratty> bye
<thoreauputic> Ratty: try this -  sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
<goldfish> back to windows?
<hannes_> rewop: azureus is good
<rewop> yeah in warty, but it's slowing down the computer..
<goldfish> ah right
<goldfish> what version of java did u have?
<rewop> i dont know..
<goldfish> kk
<hannes_> depends of computer
<philauge> hi
<goldfish> i was told upgrading to java 1.5 stopped that from happening
<goldfish> but i never tried
<goldfish> it's fine for me
<rewop> of course.. but my computer did.. thats why i used btluanch..
<philauge> can anyone help me with libxinerama1 ??
<goldfish> ah right
<goldfish> hrmm...
<sabmoc> anyone know of a good channel for web development on freenode?
<rewop> now its allways like "connecting to peers" :(
<rewop> but i can try to install azureus..
<rewop> what receptories should I use?
<goldfish> i think u get the .bin from azureus
<deFrysk> receptories has a cool ring
<deFrysk> to it
<rewop> aha
<goldfish> hehe, it does
<Echylo> somebody knows a cool free game?
<Terrasque> freeciv
<Spooks> Netrek is kinda ok, was playing that last night
<Spooks> Pretty basic though
<goldfish> foobillard
<goldfish> GNOME TETRIS !!!!
<thoreauputic> frozen-bubble :)
<Terrasque> enigma
<deFrysk> tux-*
<Terrasque> enigma have hours of high-quality fustration
<goldfish> lol
<Echylo> foobillard rules :p
<spiral> hi
<goldfish> it does :)
<Echylo> hmm frustration games
<Echylo> sounds cool
<thoreauputic> xboard for chess freaks...
<goldfish> oooh
<goldfish> thoreauputic: does it have a learning mode by any chance?
<confrey> hi everybody
<goldfish> sure, i'll check it out anyways
<goldfish> :)
<goldfish> hi confrey
<thoreauputic> goldfish: I have no idea :) It always beats me but I'm a hopeless chess player ;)
<goldfish> thoreauputic: hehe
<confrey> how can I use my camcorder with firewire? I installed kino, but it seems the camcorder doesn't exist
<flawd> how do I download with jigdo?
<thoreauputic> goldfish: I'm the one that lacks a learning mode I guess :)
<flawd> it cant handle jigdo files it says
<flawd> never used it
<Terrasque> thoreauputic: yeah, me too. Once I had a long verbal fight with one on who lost. Both of us claimed he was the one who lost.
<goldfish> thoreauputic: haha, i tried to learn before, hard game to master
<Terrasque> you should see the face on the chess judge
<Echylo> I like the idea of 3D chess
<Terrasque> moments like those are truly priceless
<thoreauputic> goldfish: I'm just not motivated enough
<Echylo> three windows, X Y Z
<Echylo> that's what they call 3D
<goldfish> I need motivation!
<goldfish> Echylo: VECTORS!
<Echylo> that aint 3D :p
<goldfish> u need them for 3d :)
<Echylo> a X window & Z window & a Y window ;)
<goldfish> well
<goldfish> hehe
<Ephemeral> wheres the grub.conf located agian?
<Terrasque> I want to learn Go.. But never have the patience for learning
<Echylo> menu.lsy
<Echylo> ./boot/grub/menu.lst
<Spooks> Diso?
<goldfish> Terrasque: thats a cool game, there are very good online tutorials and networks for playing it
<goldfish> i actually found a go board in a cupboard
<goldfish> after trying to learn it on the computer
<Echylo> what is Go ?
<confrey> how can I use my camcorder with firewire? I installed kino, but it seems the camcorder doesn't exist
<goldfish> Echylo: Hardest game in the world !
<Echylo> computer game?
<goldfish> Echylo: it's a board game
<Echylo> ow :)
<Ephemeral> how can i edit the grub conf again?
<Echylo> oh*
<Terrasque> goldfish: as I said, I want to learn it.. but I just don't have the patience :-(
<Echylo> ephemeral
<goldfish> Terrasque: hehe , me too
<Echylo> its located in /boot/grub/menu.lst
<goldfish> Echylo: u can play it ono the net
<Ephemeral> yes but i dont have permision
<Terrasque> goldfish: seen hikaru no go? :-D
<goldfish> Ephemeral: sudo nano pathtofile
<apokryphos> Ephemeral: sudo..
<goldfish> or whatever editor u use
<goldfish> Terrasque: nope
<Terrasque> too bad
<rewop> is it possible to edit wmv-files in linux? or just grab the sound from one?
<c|one> I like to install tvtime 0.9.15 in my unbuntu is there a easy way to do that???
<Terrasque> rewop: mplayer/mencoder?
<unkwn> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/18/1421255&tid=172&tid=106
<rewop> Terrasque: but can i for example cut a file with those?
<Echylo> eph
<Echylo> oh
<Echylo> damn
<robodex> hmmmmmmmmm...... I'm having a REALLY weird problem with my sound
<_Demian_> can anyone help me with my printer :)
<_Demian_> I installed the drivers
<Nobuyuki`> hey guys, how can I get ubuntu to re-detect my monitor?  I want to change the hsync and vsync values but I don't know to what, all I know is that I switched from a crappy monitor to a crappier one and need to redetect the monitor
<_Demian_> I can't get it to work
<robodex> everything's set to minimum volume, and as soon as I put anything up it sets it back to minimum again O_O
<c|one> is there a easy way to install software in unbuntu?
<robodex> c|one: apt? :p
<apokryphos> c|one: easiest way you can imagine :)
<c|one> hmmm
<DyGyTyL> heh, synaptics even easier, especially in the new release of ubuntu
<Terrasque> c|one: tried synaptic?
<goldfish> anyone running hoary on a 15.4" widescreen ?
<kkathman> good day, could I get some help on how I might install KDE? I just installed ubuntu last night and love it!
<Terrasque> goldfish: no, but was planning to do that right after the toaster
<goldfish> Terrasque: haha
<c|one> Terrasque: synaptic??? is that like a prog that does the compilling and installs for u?
<unkwn> kkathman:  should have installed kubuntu
<goldfish> well, i suppose I could have phrased it better :)
<deFrysk> kkathman, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<deFrysk> or something :S
<Terrasque> c|one: its a program you click on the programs you want, click apply, and sit back and relax
<robodex> ok that's really silly; GNOME is giving me sound but suddenly amaroK isn't working again
<kkathman> ahhh ok I will try that thank you
<Terrasque> (the relax part is optional, but recommended)
<Spooks> haha
<deFrysk> robodex, apt-get install gstreamer-amarok
<c|one> Terrasque: sounds nice....
<deFrysk> or the other way around
<Echylo> god put a smile upon your face
<robodex> deFrysk: no, it was working 100% fine ten minutes ago
<Echylo> *whistles*-*sings*
<robodex> (using amarok-xine)
<jason> anyone notice any downloading problems with firefox? I can only use save as or it doesnt work.
<deFrysk> robodex, set the engin of amarok to gstreamer in gnome
<robodex> ok
<robodex> well the volume thing was happening in xfce
<deFrysk> and use esd output
<deFrysk> if possible
<thoreauputic> jason: known issue with hoary's firefox
<tullinga> anybody know how I can fix this "Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!
<tullinga>     The kernel header files are present, but not  the full source code.
<tullinga>     See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.
<tullinga> Configuration failed
<tullinga> make: *** [config]  Error 1
<tullinga> "
<jason> cool thanks thoreauputic, glad it isnt just me, I can wait :)
<sig> See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.
<|QuaD-_> are the Bendy Badger repo's up yet?
<jason> thoreauputic: it is pretty easy to forget I am running testing :)
<^thehatsrule^> hi... er, id like to ask if the livecd also includes the install cd as well
<Madiba> anyone know if incompatability problems with ubuntu live and nvidia geforce4 vid cards
<tullinga> Sorry my application disconnected, anybody knows?
<MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, no
<sig> <sig> See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.  <-- tullinga it gives you the answer in the error
<^thehatsrule^> oh, so ill have to get both? :<
<sig> there is the HOWTO
<tullinga> sig, so the problem is the kernel source?
<maximaus> jason, I find the firefox from mozilla.org to be faster than the Ubuntu version.
<MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, only 2 isos, that's still less than most normal distros.
<Madiba> any south africans in here?
<sig> tullinga: i'm not sure, check that howto out it pasted to you
<jason> maximaus: cool but if I wanted to keep up with all my packages I would LFS :)
<maximaus> understood.
<tullinga> sig, maybe dumb question. But where is the HOWTO?
<sig> beats me dude
<sig> hah
<tullinga> sig, I am trying to install linux-wlan-ng. Do you know anything about that?
<^thehatsrule^> well, yes but everyone has a lazy side ;p
<jason> tullinga: what wireless card?
<tullinga> jason, dwl-122, usb stick
<^thehatsrule^> if i order a few cds, is it only hoary releases in april?
<jason> tullinga: I got hostap to work dont think it supports usb
<jason> tullinga: i think if you download the kernel sources
<MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, right, it's too late to order warty.
<jason> then use the config from boot, and make && make modules
<^thehatsrule^> :/
<^thehatsrule^> ah well, ill go for the install cd then
<jason> you can build the module
<tullinga> jason, I did download the kernel source. But I dont know enough to compile the stuff or whatevere I need to do
<^thehatsrule^> nice mirrors tho :)
<^thehatsrule^> very fast
<jason> tullinga:
<MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, don't worry, you'll be happy. :-)
<^thehatsrule^> hehe
<^thehatsrule^> wow... its so fast i think ill get the livecd too
<^thehatsrule^> hehe, i hope i will be :P
<tullinga> jason, sorry did not get the last thing there
<jason> if you copy /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386 /usr/src/linux/.config && cd /usr/src/linux && make && make modules
<jason> you can build wlan-ng against that
<jason> that was how I installed hostap
<alec> jason, tullinga, you ought to be able to grab the modules as a .deb, no?
<jason> I also needed to change the modules dir in the makefile
<jason> alec: the deb modules are for a 2.4 kernel
<jason> for hostap anyway
<alec> ah
<jason> and orinoco_pci is junk for my card
<tullinga> alec, I dont know. considering the ndiswrapper instead, but dont know if that is going to be any easier.
<spiral> hi back
<jason> I think there is a ndis howto somewhere
<goldfish> jason: ubuntuforums
<tullinga> jason, yes it is
<goldfish> or google
<goldfish> there was a good link to one in the ubuntuforums
<goldfish> i got it working from that
<jason> tullinga: I had troubles with both hostap and wlan-ng
<tullinga> but I know for sure the wlan-ng supports my usb dwl-122 . and therefore it is maybe best to go for that module???
<jason> tullinga: the method I stated worked for hostap
<philauge> can anyone help me with libxinerama1 ??
<jason> havent tried it on wlan-ng
<jason> what sucks is I need to go through the process every time ubuntu updates the kernel
<tullinga> could I get away with that using the ndiswrapper_?
<pinS> i need help with ndiswrapper
<pinS> i dont think its installed right
<sig> what file is mpeg2encode in?
<jason> I never used it, but in theory it should work.
<no0tic> pinS: why?
<jason> just read carefully and take your time when going through the steps
<jason> I also manually set up my card each time with iwconfig cause I hate gnome/ubuntus gui network setup tool
<tullinga> so the problems with wlan-ng is mainly related to kernel stuff then.
<[FiDO] > can someone help me with lirc
<[FiDO] > I need to get my tv remote working
<jason> tullinga: you just need to have compiled the sources to build against
<jason> and the config file is in the boot directory
<jason> you dont even need to install the kernel
<tullinga> jason, i guess. but Im stumbling into so many errors and stuff its easy to give up.
<Nobuyuki`> crap on a stick... I tried running xorgconfig to try and redetect my monitor, got the X and then a black scren
<ren0> Hi I have had to get on the net with the livecd. Iam running hoary on the harddisk...
<tullinga> jason, you mean I dont need the kernel for installing wlan-ng or?
<jason> it took me 2 months to make friends with ubuntu for the same reason
<jason> wlan-ng is a module
<ren0> did an apt-get update & apt-get upgrade last night...
<tullinga> jason, which means?
<jason> so it needs the source code compiled
<thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: wrong tool -   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<jason> it is a driver
<thoreauputic> instead
<ren0> Booted this afternoon and no X. Has this happened to anybody else?
<jason> but needs to be compiled against the same config and source code as the kernel
<calamari> ren0: luckily no, otherwise I'd have to use windows 2003, eew :)
<tullinga> jason, ok. But the problem I get is happening when I do make config for the wlan-ng. during installation I get the error I pasted earlier
<Fleebailey33> with this will java runtimes come with hoary or a future realese?
<Fleebailey33> http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050317SunWantsJavaasOpenSourceasPossible.html
<Fleebailey33> there going to try to open source java
<jason> paste it for me
<Nobuyuki`> thoreauputic:  THANK YOU, will try it now
<thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: I hope the other tool hasn't overwritten the xorg.config - if it has, this one won't work, most likely
<tullinga> it says "Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n] : y
<tullinga> Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux] :
<tullinga> Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!
<tullinga>     The kernel header files are present, but not  the full source code."
<jason> ahh
<thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: you might want to move you file before you run it
<jason> you installed the kernel sources???
<ren0> calamari, I get problems only in hoary. Warty is as sound as a pound.
<calamari> ren0: glad I'm sticking with Warty then :)
<tullinga> installed? dont know :) i did download it and unzip it. it is the /usr/src/linux directory
<jason> then you need to unpack and make a symbolic link to the src
<jason> ok warty or hoary?
<^thehatsrule^> who comes up with these names lol
<Zotnix> Anyone else in hoary experiencing gnome-theme-manager using up 100% CPU and not displaying the little previews corrently (I'm getting a ? in them)
<marcin_ant> hi all
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: the amn himself I believe - mark Shuttleworth
<thoreauputic> bah the man *
<^thehatsrule^> the man?
<thoreauputic> yes
<^thehatsrule^> hehe
<^thehatsrule^> i suppose hes the founder?
<marcin_ant> I got a question - why ubuntu uses apt-get and not apt-rsync? what's wrong with apt-rsync?
<ren0> There is probably something really obvious that I missed.
<^thehatsrule^> whats wrong with apt-get then?
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: he's the guy with the money and the founder, yes
<tullinga> jason, the preview version. 5.04
<keffo> where do i find a big ubuntu logo? imma write out some stickers.. it should be in good quality and great size
<^thehatsrule^> ah
<gambit> hello
<jason> ok open a root terminal and type uname -a
<jason> what does it say?
<keffo> where do i find a big ubuntu logo? imma write out some stickers.. it should be in good quality and great size
<marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: you need fast internet connection to get upgrades
<marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: especially when you use hoary updates are pretty big
<^thehatsrule^> oh i supppose i dont know what rsync is then
<gambit> ppl can someone tell me how to use .deb packages?
<^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i file
<gambit> thank u
<tullinga> jason, problem is I am in macos x now. I only have a wireless connection and need to reboot into ubuntu to do that. I have kernel version 2.6.10-4
<marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: rsync is something that can copy from remote hosts
<marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: but it copies only differences between files
<^thehatsrule^> im not sure about it, but will check on google :P
<^thehatsrule^> oh i see
<^thehatsrule^> like the diff.tar.gz's?
<jason> ok I would try this and then make config
<jason> cp /boot/[2:#ubuntu(+cnt)] 
<jason> [#ubuntu]  cp /boot/
<jason> not that
<^thehatsrule^> then you cannot install rsync if you want to - using apt-get? lol
<marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/features.html
<thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: of course you can :)
<gambit> one more question... where can i get gcc compiler?
<^thehatsrule^> so whats his problem? lol :P
<^thehatsrule^> isnt gcc already in it?
<thoreauputic> gambit: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<^thehatsrule^> its not? :/
<jason> cp /boot/config-2.6.10-4-386 /usr/src/linux/.config && cd /usr/src/linux && make && make modules
<tullinga> jason, do that or not that?
<jason> that
<tullinga> jason , got it
<pinS> i got ndiswrapper using a command from here last night
<jason> then
<jason> try the make config again
<pinS> when i do ndiswrapper -l
<pinS> it says theres a driver
<jason> config may be onfig-2.6.10-4-ppc?
<jason> will take like an 1/2 to 1 hour
<tullinga> jason, yes it would be ppc. I will try it. back in an hour then :)
<jason> good luck
<pinS> whenever anyone has time, can you help me install my 802.11g nic
<tullinga> thanks
<pinS> im not sure whether anything is set write
<goodoldunclemike> ? does ubuntu auto configure a network on install...where i can view it..or do i have to configure it
<pinS> right*
<pinS> goodoldunclemike, i think it does
<pinS> did on mine
<arek> goodoldunclemike: it does if you got dhcp on your network
<arek> you can edit it by hand otherwise
<goodoldunclemike> on my harddrive on this computer i have a 20 partition that i let the 2 windows computers use
<pinS> i did make and make install from ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
<pinS> can i remove that ndiswrapper and use the one installed by the system
<Sion_Barzhad> how do you kill a dir
<pinS> rm -fr dir
<Ribs> rm -rf dir
<arek> sane package is to old to speak with my scanner :(
<Sion_Barzhad> i just needed the know the firsdt to letter
<Sion_Barzhad> aight rm
<arek> debian had no problems ..
<Sion_Barzhad> thanks
<[-Soultrance-] > hey folks, what file has the list of available resolutions starting from 0 to X where 0 is the default resolution and where is the file ??
<goodoldunclemike> witch is the better one of ubuntu..horty or worty
<pinS> ok anyone want to jump ship my laptop and configure my nic for moi
<pinS> :)
<jason> goodoldunclemike: ubuntu is testing
<Alex1> hi
<Alex1> someone can help me?
<Alex1> ERROR **: file gam_tree.c: line 146 (gam_tree_remove): assertion failed: (g_node_n_children(node->node) == 0)
<jason> goodoldunclemike: warty is stable
<Alex1> i've this msg
<Alex1> x will be crash?
<LinuxJones> Alex1, what are you trying to do ?
<Alex1> nothing
<goodoldunclemike> ok
<LinuxJones> Alex1, when does that appear ?
<Alex1> i'm writing a .php with gedit
<jason> goodoldunclemike: hoary is testing rather
<Alex1> can i copy shell msg on query?
<pinS> testing, and i got it...
<pinS> crap
<billytwowilly> anyone else getting really slow updates?
<kotatsu> billytwowilly: as in download speed?
* pinS needs help with ndiswrapper please
<pinS> brb
<Alex1> LinuxJones, can i?
<kotatsu> [-Soultrance-] : I think you're looking for /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<Jesterace> man e17 is cool
<[-Soultrance-] > nope
<[-Soultrance-] > not those ones, hehje
<Nobuyuki`> hey, do any of you guys know what to do if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg refuses to overwrite xorg.conf because it's been "customized" ?  I'm sorry, total linux n00b here
<billytwowilly> kotatsu, yah, download speed
<[-Soultrance-] > theres one file that lists all your res from 0 to whatever the end number would be
<kotatsu> Nobuyuki`: you could always move the xorg.conf file out of the way
<Alex1> ** ERROR **: file gam_tree.c: line 146 (gam_tree_remove): assertion failed: (g_node_n_children(node->node) == 0)
<Alex1> aborting...
<Alex1> failed to read() from server connection
<[-Soultrance-] > and 0 I beleive has an asterisk and is the default
<LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, 1 sec
<Alex1> someone can help me?
<kotatsu> billytwowilly: yes, it's kind of slow atm... hoary preview increased the load on their servers a lot (lots of switchers from warty, prolly)
<kotatsu> billytwowilly: it will probably go back to normal after hoary is released and everyone has their copy
<Alex1> it gave me this error 3 days ago
<arek> [-Soultrance-] : yes its xfree.conf and xorg.conf
<Alex1> and X was crashed
<LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, >> http://pastebin.ca/7707
<Alex1> i reinstall hall
<[-Soultrance-] > I have xf86config-4 and thats not the file I am refering too
<[-Soultrance-] > I don't have xorg in
<Nobuyuki`> thanks LinuxJones, I'm assuming cp = copy
<gambit[n00b] > where can i get "glib"?
<LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, yes
<billytwowilly> kotatsu, are there any plans to have a bunch of mirrors like mandrake et al have?
<[-Soultrance-] > gambit: try apt-get install glib ?
<Dakko> imo, the download link at the website's server is fast enough
<xerox> Hi!
<Dakko> Faster (to me) than you'd get with the next card
<gambit[n00b] > apt-get install glib doesn't work
<Dakko> Er, mirror
<[-Soultrance-] > hmm
<LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , what do you want that for ?
<kotatsu> billytwowilly: I don't know. I know debian has a large number of mirrors but I've always used archive.ubuntu.com... pinging it resolves the same IP address each time, so I assume it's not round robin like pool.ntp.org
<xerox> Do you know how to change the language of the gaim spellchecker? I don't want it to check for english :(
<[-Soultrance-] > I'm a n00b to, so I was only guessing :P
<kotatsu> ubuntu is sponsored + community, so I guess they might have reasons for keeping it centralized *shrug*
<LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , midnight commander is available for download from the apt repository unless you need to compile your own
<LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , you will have to add the universe repository to get it tho
<kotatsu> you can probably rsync your own repository though
<LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , are you runnign hoary ?
<LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , did you install the Warty or Hoary version of Ubuntu
<LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , if you type cat /etc/issue in console it will tell you if your not sure
<Lamorack> o/
<ruben> Hi
<LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , go here and use the synaptic directions >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801/view?searchterm=synaptic
<Lamorack> =)
<ruben> Does anyone know where to enable numlock at startup?
<da_root> hi
<ruben> hi
<ruben> Does anyone know where to enable numlock at startup?
<da_root> what have i to do when i want to start something on startup, means startup automaticly a script!??
<Xappe> ruben, sudo apt-get install numlockx
<jmki> ruben: my guess would be /etc/console-tools/config
<jmki> ruben: add LEDS=+num
<ruben> ah thx
<vaijr2002> can anyone help a min . well hope it only takes a min
<jmki> ruben: for X, use what Xappe suggested
<vaijr2002> i am getting this error. i have searched forums but cant fixxie
<ruben> ok
<ruben> thx
<vaijr2002> ERROR 1064 at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 's Happy Haven cont.' WHERE 1 and file='config' and var='hub_nam
<vaijr2002> verlihub
<vaijr2002> sorry
<vaijr2002> forgot about pasting in main
<ruben> have been looking for a while ant it just wouldn't work :)
<knudsen_> Hello. Some days ago I installed Ubunto (the new preview), and I installed totem-xine without any problems. Now I have made a freash installation, and if I want to install totem-xine, I have to uninstall ubuntu-desktop. Afterwards totem will not start ... does anybody know what to do?
<da_root> do you use synaptic?
<knudsen_> yes
<Xappe> apt-get totem-xine maybe?
<LinuxJones> knudsen_, don't worry about ubuntu-desktop, try running totem-xine from a command line and see what error it pops up with.
<jason> what is in ubuntu-desktop?
<Xappe> ah, sorry. I misread
<knudsen_> LinuxJones: believe it or not: It lacks libnautilus-cdburn.so.0 (or something like that)
<da_root> perhaps restart totem with synaptic?!?
<knudsen_> restart totem?!
<kotatsu> jason: meta package that depends on all the important desktop stuff
<LinuxJones> knudsen_, wtf
<vaijr2002> any ideas with my prob Xappe?
<kasper> i think ill be deleting suse 9.1 totally now
<ruben> eum does anyone of you play ET in linux?
<jason> kotatsu: thanks :)
<kotatsu> kasper: in favor of ubuntu?
<kasper> i feel as if im cheating on my partner dual booting kubuntu and suse
<vaijr2002> lol
<Xappe> vaijr2002, nope, I have no need to run a dc hub. I just use the clients...
<knudsen_> LinuxJones: it sounds strange ... especially since nautilus-cdburn IS installed...
<Burgaway> jason: generally, once you have a stable system, you don't need ubuntu-desktop
<vaijr2002> lol ok Xappe
<DavidH86> kasper:thats funny
<kasper> kubuntu needs a medal!
<LinuxJones> knudsen_, try updatedb as root
<kasper> trophy!
<da_root> does anyone can help me, with automaticly startup a programm at startup!
<Burgaway> jason: however, until hoary releases, I would keep it
<kotatsu> yay, another ubuntu convert ^^
<Burgaway> da_root: session manager
<knudsen_> LinuxJones: hmmm ... doesn't that just "update" locate?
<LinuxJones> knudsen_, that probably won't matter but...
<kasper> more  than convert,,, total linux user rewrite!
<kasper> you fucking whores
<kasper> lol
<Burgaway> da_root: system-->prefs-->sessions
<da_root> and this will also start when i don't start kde?
<Burgaway> da_root: that is gnome, userspace stuff
<kotatsu> I'm very much a fan of ubuntu... used debian before warty but it's really nice not to have to worry about keeping track of all the necessary stuff to have a coherent desktop
<Burgaway> da_root: do you want start a program before you login?
<ruben> I also have a prob with ET I can play it fine for about 15 minutes and then the console just shuts down and says there was a segmentation error
<da_root> jep before login like nic startup!
<kasper> i want to open  up a #ubuntu channel on my ircd
<vaijr2002> crrrappers
<vaijr2002> hmm
<kasper> ne australian ununtu users here?
<_d4vid> hi all
<vaijr2002> ok well gonna go look for some more help ttyl everyone
<LinuxJones> knudsen_, fire up synaptic and see if totem-xine has any conflicts besides ubuntu-desktop
<Burgaway> da_root: you need to add a script to /etc/init.d with it symlinked to the right runlevel
<ruben> by
<Burgaway> linuxboy: it doesn
<Burgaway> LinuxJones: it doesn't
<kasper> LinuxJones, use kaffein instead of totem for kubuntu
<knudsen_> LinuxJones: it has to uinstall totem, totem-gstreamer, and ubuntu-desktop
<keffo> hm
<keffo> where do i put them splashscreens?
<LinuxJones> knudsen_, I use gxine and avoid totem as it isn't really in great shape yet :)
<kotatsu> LinuxJones: what's wrong with totem?
<Spooks> Anyone got an opinion on best HD make?
<sevas_26> hi all
<kotatsu> LinuxJones: your problems might be with totem-gstreamer, not totem itself
<LinuxJones> kotatsu, it's a pain
<keffo> where do i put them splashscreens?
<knudsen_> LinuxJones: I also thougt of that, but I would like totem to create thumbnails for my video files ...
<kotatsu> LinuxJones: gstreamer is a kickass idea, but not quite the best backend for media playback yet >_<
<Armando> Greetings! Wanted to know if Ubuntu supports xfree86?
<kotatsu> hard to beat gstreamer for media conversion though... was playing with it the other day
<Armando> Also does it support DRM (Direct Rendering Manager).
<apokryphos> Armando: it's the default in Warty
<knudsen_> kotatsu: I cannot even play an mpeg-file with totem ...
<kotatsu> knudsen_: do you have totem-xine installed?
<apokryphos> Armando: in hoary, it is supported but not the default.
<maximaus> apt-get install totem-xine solves a lot of headaches.
<LinuxJones> kotatsu, it's coming along and I will move to it when things get a little more settled down with it
<knudsen_> kotatsu: If I install totem-xine, totem wont start ...
<kotatsu> LinuxJones: what's coming along, exactly?
<Armando> apokryphos: does the default installation give you hoary?
<maximaus> I like how totem makes installing new codecs a snap. :)
<kotatsu> LinuxJones: no problem with using gxine, I'm just curious what needs work in totem
<kotatsu> it's a quick and dirty way to play media using a xine backend
<kotatsu> I don't use it for watching dvds and stuff but for media clips I find totem quite easy
<sevas_26> guy's, can I install ubuntu ontop suse, whitout erasing /home
<apokryphos> Armando: Ubuntu Warty is currently the Stable Version. Hoary is technically in developement, but the vast majority of users are using it already. Preview came out recently.
<gfxstyler> hi
<LinuxJones> kotatsu, totem
<knudsen_> kotatsu: I wonder why it worked when I made an installation some days ago ...
<gfxstyler> is there a way to make the ubuntu fonts smaller
<Vjaz_> sevas_26: there's a good reason to have a separate home partition :-/
<gfxstyler> (i already tried the fontmanager but it has no effect)
<apokryphos> Armando: I recommend hoary if you want all the new apps etc. Switching to xfree on hoary is trivial.
<kotatsu> knudsen_: not sure - try running it on a command line and see if you get error messages
<sevas_26> mm
<knudsen_> kotatsu: believe it or not: It lacks libnautilus-cdburn.so.0 (or something like that)
<keffo> anyone knows where i change splashscreen?
<Armando> apokryphos: Ok, thanx. I'll install the source when I get better at linux. Long time Windows user and not a programer so its gonna take a while :-) But finaly I found that my ATI Radeon 345M Card is 3D Hardware supported.
<sevas_26> [gfx]  need to make  another partit. n' puto all my /home there ?
<farruinn> gfxstyler: in preferences>fonts you can change the dpi
<Echylo> lovely
<Echylo> apt-get moo
<kotatsu> knudsen_: uh... for burning CDs in totem? I don't follow
<apokryphos> Armando: Switching to Linux was the best computer decision I ever made. :)
<farruinn> gfxstyler: it's 92 by default, you can lower it to make the fonts smaller
<knudsen_> kotastsu: I don't understand it either ... it's strange!
<mellum> Hi. Can anybody say something about the completeness of the German translation in 5.04? Would I be better off with 4.10?
<gfxstyler> farruinn: yes but somehow since i installed kde they are bigger
<knudsen_> kotastu: and nautilus-cdburn *is* installed ...
<kotatsu> knudsen_: if you can get the output from totem I might be able to help you track down the problem
<farruinn> gfxstyler: in gnome or just kde?
<gfxstyler> in gnome
<gfxstyler> farruinn: i have to set the dpi to 80 to make it look like before
<apokryphos> Armando: if you should need any help, just come and ask in here. :) Takes some time to get used to, but once you do, it's great.
<selphish> how do i get ubuntu warty to load enlightment instead of gnome?
<knudsen_> kotatsu: It simply says "cannot find shared library libnautilus-burncd.so.0" (or cdburn, I do not remember)
<gfxstyler> selphish: in gdm u can select enlightement and if you load it it should ask you to make it default
<kotatsu> selphish: I think you're looking for /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current in gconf
<LinuxJones> selphish, it should appear un sessions in the GDM login screen
<farruinn> selphish: what I did was install fluxbox so I could get an understandable xsessions/*.desktop file to convert for e
<farruinn> selphish: I can /msg you mine if you want
<kotatsu> knudsen_: does that file exist on your system?
<Armando> apokryphos: Yup :) Installed it last night but couldnt get my wirless card to work.  But since then Ive been working on learning the system so should be able to configure it adequately by the weekend :)
<knudsen_> kotatsu: I'll take a look ... to sec
<Hedley> It's Frank! From Frank's Factory Flooring!~!~!~!~!
<apokryphos> Armando: nice :)
<Armando> apokryphos: hehe yup.  Ok, be back later then Bye!
<popeye> Anyone knows how to see what modules are possible to install in my kernel
<knudsen_> kotatsu: The right message is: "totem: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus-burn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<knudsen_> ", and the file does not exist ...
<LinuxJones> popey, modprobe -l
<popeye> thanks
<^thehatsrule^> oh, are nvidia drivers included on cd?
<gfxstyler> @all: is there a way to fake dropshadows in gnome like kde does?
<LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, no
<^thehatsrule^> oh dang
<apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: you can apt for them
<LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, it's only a few meg download
<aman> hi all
<^thehatsrule^> is it possible to set up while livecd?
<^thehatsrule^> editing on ramdisk i guess
* Echylo is boored
<kotatsu> knudsen_: does /usr/lib/libnautilus-burn.so.0 exist on your system?
<Jesterace> wow hoary upgrades aplenty
<knudsen_> kotatsu: there are files called blablabla.1 and blablabla.1.0.0 but not blablabla.0
<kotatsu> knudsen_: using hoary?
<knudsen_> kotatsu: I am using 5.04
<loren> anyone tried Kubuntu?
<DXT> anyone knows of a freeware app to convert .ape to .mp3?
<apokryphos> loren: many people, yes :). If you want, see #kubuntu
<loren> awsome :)
<kotatsu> knudsen_: totem shouldn't be looking for .0 then.... try $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall totem-xine libnautilus-burn1
<stianh> Hello
<kotatsu> hi
<knudsen_> kotatsu: it's still the same. ..
<gfxstyler> hi
<stianh> dumb question: what would happen if I change the repos from warty ones to hoary ones
<stianh> ?
<stianh> and try to install stuff
<kotatsu> knudsen_: hmmm, not sure... if you make a symlink of the correct name does it work?
<farruinn> stianh: you would be running hoary =)
<kotatsu> stianh: probably upgrade you without any problems
<Jesterace> stianh, well it would likely turn into hoary :P
<kotatsu> stianh: *probably* =P
<stianh> hehe, neat :)
<kotatsu> I had to fight with the deps a little bit, but I dist-upgraded mid-hoary
<Snecklifter> what version of mysql, php and apache does hoary come with?
<stianh> Oh what the heck, I'm bored, so if things break I'll have something to do :D
<knudsen_> kotatsu: It get's even more strange: totem: relocation error: totem: undefined symbol: bacon_cd_selection_new
<Po|^20> Buenas tardes
<Snecklifter> buenos noches
<stianh> thanks guys
<Po|^20> (es ms fcil q el Ubuntu se connecte al IRC q el Windows, para muestra: un botn)
<kotatsu> Snecklifter: apache 1.3.33 and 2.0.53
* pinS likes the glmatrix screen saver
<stianh> buenos nachos? :P
<pinS> that is just cool
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<kotatsu> Snecklifter: php4.3.10
<Snecklifter> ah cheers kotatsu
<Snecklifter> drat
<kotatsu> Snecklifter: mysql 4.0.23
<Snecklifter> right, thanks muchly
<Po|^20> Pregunta: estoy en Ubuntua ahora mismo, pero con un problema, no consigo que reproduzca mp3, puede alguien ayudarme ?
<kotatsu> welcome
<Snecklifter> needing 5 and 4.1 of the latter
<kotatsu> Snecklifter: why the drat? php?
<gfxstyler> muahahaa ubuntu is just perfect :
<Snecklifter> I'm having an awful problem with a LAMP solution I'm working in
<Snecklifter> but it uses mysqli
<Snecklifter> so I really would like to be using php5 and mysql 4.1
<kotatsu> ah, so you need the newest versions to fix a bug?
* kotatsu nods.
<Snecklifter> well, not sure
<kotatsu> didn't even know PHP was on version 5 =P
<Snecklifter> yeah, its not production yet but getting there
<kotatsu> ah, ok
<^thehatsrule^> Po|^20: puede jugar cualquier cosa ?
<Snecklifter> even php coders are starting to call themselves programmers!
<kotatsu> hehe
<kotatsu> <-- 0 experience in php!
<Snecklifter> becuase its got some basic OO stuff in there
<kotatsu> I don't really like coding much, actually
<Snecklifter> well ive got about 2/100
<Snecklifter> but the learning curve is steep
<gfxstyler> is there a special reason why "iwconfig wlan0 essid acer" doesnt work?
<kotatsu> I know enough java to be passable and I can write asp/vbscript if forced
<kotatsu> but what I'm really coming to love is shell scripting... it's so easy to do so much quickly compared to programming heh
<Snecklifter> i'll pretend i didnt hear the latter bit....
<popeye> how do i see wich modules are on in the kernel
<Snecklifter> yeah, shell is good
<kotatsu> I'd like to get into python as some point
<kotatsu> but time is always at a premium
<selphish> jh
<Snecklifter> check out bashpodder for a good but effective shell script
<Snecklifter> and jono bacon at lugradio has done some good experimental stuff with python
<kasper> wheres ubuntu kde3 installed?
<kotatsu> isn't showing up in apt - is there a website for bashpodder?
<kasper> its not in /opt/kde3
<Snecklifter> yeah, just google it
<kotatsu> another neat one is beanshell
<kotatsu> played with that for a day or two, although I don't really have a use for it beyond curiousity
<Snecklifter> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/tllts/
<kotatsu> http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/
<kotatsu> hahaha
<kotatsu> love the logo
<Snecklifter> thats the one
<pinS> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
<pinS> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
<Po|^20> ^thehatsrule^:  que si puedo jugar ?
<pinS> ^^ ??
<Snecklifter> check out the show too, really chilled out but good chaps on the mic
<Snecklifter> okay, thanks for the quick info on LAMP kotatsu
<Snecklifter> gotta run
<^thehatsrule^> Po|^20 s, usted hace el sonido instalar y trabaja?
<pinS> anyone?
<elTigre> help! my computer fucked up...
<kotatsu> bye, good luck
<^thehatsrule^> btw, Po|^20 : http://babelfish.altavista.com
<elTigre> I can't install a kernel that works -.-
<Po|^20> para ?
<elTigre> I always get this "can't mount root filesystem"
<^thehatsrule^> Po|^20: xmms?
<elTigre> my root fs is a reiserfs.... one of my kernel works, 2.6.11-1-i686 ... but when I run gnome-session the computer hangs and I can't install any nvidia driver
<elTigre> any idea?
<tritium> elTigre, 2.6.11 isn't supported yet
<^thehatsrule^> lol i just use ext3
<tritium> only up to 2.6.10 has linux-restricted-modules, which provides nvidia support
<elTigre> yep but 2.6.10 won't boot
<^thehatsrule^> like, whats the advantage of all those new fs? :/
<chickenman> i am back people !! :D
<tritium> elTigre, why?  What's the problem?
<beowuff> is there a command to kick a user off a pts? I had ssh tme out and it shows I have 3 pty's open...
<tritium> elTigre, you should try the latest update to 2.6.10.  It should work
<kaouete> even with reiserfs ?
<^thehatsrule^> is it a process? cant you just kill it then
<pinS> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
<pinS> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
<elTigre> well, I will try and delete all kernels now -.-
<elTigre> and then try to install something with the ubuntu logo
<kaouete> :)
<GeP> kuku
<elTigre> which package should I use to install a kernel?
<tritium> elTigre, save yourself a working kernel just in case you have problems
<tritium> elTigre, linux-image-2.6.10
<tritium> -<your architecture>
<pinS> no one here knows about my error with ndiswrapper?
<tritium> elTigre, just sudo apt-get install linux-image-686, for example
<elTigre> ok...
<mips1> pinS, is the file actually there ?
<tritium> elTigre, what architecture do you have?
<elTigre> athlon xp
<elTigre> i386
<billytwowilly> anyone else running an ati graphics card and getting really funky messed up colors? it was fine until the last update and reboot.
<LordGrunt> heya, anyone else had some performance problems with mplayer?
<Xappe> billytwowilly, do not lick the stamps with smileys
<elTigre> well I will try and reboot now....
<billytwowilly> Xappe,  that's actually what it is kind of like;) I'm trying to take a screen shot to show you guys.
<arek> where is the list of things finnished and things still to be done for hoarty?
<Xappe> billytwowilly, now i'm afraid to reboot
<billytwowilly> Xappe, wait a minute and I should have a screen up.
<farruinn> everyone smile
<billytwowilly> Xappe, http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot1.png
<billytwowilly> those gigantic purple circle things are not supposed to be there.. or the graininess of the icons.
<LinuxJones> pinS, did you read the howto on the Ubuntu website ?
<pinS> ya
<pinS> that error pop up
<pinS> im gonna reformat to start all over
<pinS> bbl
<GeP> 'tenda
<pinS> seems like something i screwed up
<pinS> will the file be there after the reformat
<Xappe> billytwowilly, haha, you fool. that screenshot looks perfectly fine to us, since don't have your graphics problem :)
<odie5533> Is ubuntu slow for anyone else?
<odie5533> It seems slower than windows xp =/
<Spooks> Not for me
<Spooks> And my system is poo
<billytwowilly> Xappe, that's weird. I looked at it in firefox and it looked weird.
<Spooks> Poo  I say
<odie5533> I have 512mb DDR PC2700 and a 2.6gHz
<Xappe> billytwowilly, but if you take a screenshot with a digital camera :)
<billytwowilly> Xappe, looked the same weird as the desktop
<Xappe> billytwowilly, hmm
<phxguy> hi...
<phxguy> can someone help me out with a mounting issue?
<odie5533> Is there any form filler and password saver like AI Roboform for Linux?
<Xappe> billytwowilly, how screwed up should it be?
<pinS> why does ubuntu install 386 files while my lappy is 2.66ghz pentium
<billytwowilly> two pink purple circles with the bottom right corner as the center.
<billytwowilly> Plus grainy icons.
<billytwowilly> I'm going to reboot again and pray that the windows solution fixes it;)
<LinuxJones> Anybody using Yahoo Mail with Evolution ?
<phxguy> ubuntu is not seeing Windows Drive (hda)
* pinS bbl,  reformat
<thenuke> pinS: because only kernel is compiled for different archtitectures
<Xappe> billytwowilly, it looks perfectly fine here
<billytwowilly> ok. bbiab
<phxguy> ANybidy???
<phxguy> Anybody?
<libpng> phxguy, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
<phxguy> do i do that in a terminal window?
<libpng> sure
<ren0> I was able to solve my Xorg problem with hoary by using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...
<libpng> it ll give the partition list
<treke> I've got a question about security updates for universe in ubuntu. The source.list file indicates that no security updates are done to packages in the universe section of ubuntu, while the wiki indicates that the Ubuntu Security Team maintains security updates on the universe repository. Which of these statements is actually accurate?
<ren0> ..Then I followed the destructions.
<rvirani> I have hoary
<rvirani> how do I install kubuntu-desktop
<apokryphos> rvirani: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<phxguy> ok libpng it shows it there how do i get it to mount??
<rvirani> apokryphos,  you wish it was that easy
<rvirani> duh
<thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<rvirani> lol
<LinuxJones> rvirani, have you done apt-get update first ?
<apokryphos> rvirani: it is. :) Enable the repositories
<DarthFrog> rvirani: It is that easy.
<DarthFrog> apokryphos: KDE is in main now.
<rvirani> nope
<Loevborg> this is really annoyning - ripping with cdparanoia is painfully slow on by hoary install with a nec dvd writer.
<rvirani> cant find it
<rvirani> so its not that easy
<apokryphos> DarthFrog: Good point (which I forgot); though, some packages still in Universe.
<LinuxJones> rvirani, apt-get update first
<rvirani> so where do I get the repositories from?
<apokryphos> DarthFrog: all stuff necessary for k-desktop is in main though, I think.
<Xappe> Loevborg, have you tried to turn on dma?
<libpng> phxguy, which partition do u wanna mount ? and what is its type nyfs or fat32 ?
<rvirani> same thing
<Loevborg> Xappe, yes, it doesn't chang a thing.
<rvirani> not working
<odyssey> Loevborg dma enabled? that might speed things up
<apokryphos> rvirani: don't worry about that; just apt-get update; then the command above
<DarthFrog> rvirani: Use synaptic to add repositories.  It will ask you about universe and multiverse.
<rvirani> I did
<apokryphos> rvirani: what's the error message?
<Loevborg> Xappe, it used to be disabled though, which is weird.
<rvirani> I added all the repos
<rvirani> E" Couldnt find package kubuntu-desktop
<Loevborg> Xappe, maybe that means that ide controller interaction is bad...
<LinuxJones> rvirani, output the /etc/apt/sources.lst file to www.pastebin.ca then post the link here
<phxguy> linpng; there is only one partitoin on the Disk. I would like to mount the whole thing. It is NTFS.. So i know it will be read only which is fine with me....
<Xappe> Loevborg, i know. I got sluggish dvd playback on my ibook until I turned dma on
<thoreauputic> rvirani: you reloaded ?
<DarthFrog> rvirani: Use synaptice to enable the repositories, update package lists and then install kubuntu-desktop.  All from synaptic.  You don't have to use apt-get, synaptic will do it all for you.
<phxguy> I have Ubuntu installed on a different physical disk (hdb1)
<libpng> phxguy, paste the output (sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda)
<ali> i got a problem: my fresh hoary install freezes after 2-3hours. i have nvidia drivers
<phxguy> /dev/hda1   *           1       14592   117210208+   7  HPFS/NTFS
<rvirani> http://pastebin.ca/7712
<LinuxJones> ali, sounds like a hardware problem is you system running hot ?
<libpng> phxguy, sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs
<DarthFrog> rvirani: Synaptic has a search function, you can use it to find kubuntu-desktop.
<ali> nope..
<apokryphos> rvirani: you commented out the repos you need
<Loevborg> /dev/hdc: using_dma    =  1 (on)  -- hope that actually means that enabling dma worked.
<ali> LinuxJones, nope
<rvirani> I know what synaptic is you tool
<libpng> phxguy, sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs /mnt/ntfs -o ro,umask=000
<apokryphos> rvirani: and you have warty repos there
<rvirani> apokryphonaptics, must be a bug, I checked all of them in sy
<libpng> phxguy, cd /mnt/ntfs && ls -l
<rvirani> I checked all I saw
<NetwrkMonkey> in gnome how do i make keycode 174 turn up the volume and keycode 176 turn it down?
<rvirani> let me go and manually do it
<rvirani> Im running hoary
<DarthFrog> rvirani: You're running Warty.
<apokryphos> rvirani: hold on, let me send you my repositories.
<pinPoint> im reformating my lappy
<apokryphos> rvirani: what does cat /etc/issue give?
<DarthFrog> rvirani: Well, your sources.list say warty.
<ali> LinuxJones, it worked in warty, but in hoary..it freezes
<LinuxJones> rvirani, you should uncomment the line >> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted    as well
<LinuxJones> ali, mmm
<rvirani> exec -o cat /etc/issue
<rvirani> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
<phxguy> libpng... Its is mounted.... How do I get it to AutoMount on Startup... I did not see it listed in my fstab
<apokryphos> rvirani: ok, hold on, I'll send you my sources.list
<libpng> phxguy, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
<apokryphos> rvirani: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/sources.list
<rvirani> updating
<ali> LinuxJones, it happends after 3-2 hours..can i mail you my xlog, and my xconfig so you find if anythunf is wrong
<rvirani> I uncommented all the hoary stuff
<apokryphos> rvirani: replace that file with your current onen, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
<phxguy> ok  libpng i have fstab opened....
<rvirani> dont know why it was commented in the first place
<ali> anything*
<rvirani> perhaps I should submit a bug
<libpng> phxguy, and add this line "/dev/hda1    /mnt/ntfs   ntfs   users,umask=0,ro   0   0"
<apokryphos> rvirani: you still have warty stuff there... and other problems. Replace it with the one above and you'll be fine.
<rvirani> I commented all the warty stuff
<pinPoint> is there a way to have your own sources run at your own server
<phxguy> ok libpng That is done. Should I save it now???
<treke> looks like universe does get some kind of security releases
<libpng> phxguy, sure
<LinuxJones> ali, it could be a hundred things :(
<phxguy> kewl. thanks... I have one More.... I have a External Maxtor USB Drive.... Which I would like to add to fstab also
<ali> LinuxJones, hmmm...
<rvirani> apokryphos, thanx
<arek> ali search your logs not only xfree logs but others also see what dmesg says
<apokryphos> rvirani: np :)
<pinPoint> hey its installing kernel linux-386
<rvirani> they should fix the sources.list in hoary I guess
<pinPoint> why why why!!!
<pinPoint> my system is 686
<ali> arek, ok
<apokryphos> rvirani: the sources.list by default are just fine. ;-)
<libpng> phxguy, when u plugged it look "dmesg | tail" what it says?
<rvirani> apokryphos, mine didnt work
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, covers more ground
<phxguy> I already have a folder for it /media/MAXTOR120
<pinPoint> what?
<rvirani> not for kubuntu-desktop
<rvirani> kubuntu says just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<rvirani> but it doesnt work by default
<pinPoint> LinuxJones: then i have to get rid of it to install ndiswrapper...
<pinPoint> double work for nothing
<apokryphos> rvirani: it does, if your repositories were alright
<libpng> phxguy, what is its type ? fat or ntfs ?
<Cred_> Hi ho. I was wondering if someone here has a USB device called "Wireless PC Lock". A USB key and a keyring that locks computer automaticly if appart more than 2meters.. :)
<phxguy> it is also NTFS
<Riddell> rvirani: what doesn't work?
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, the 386 kernel is default because it will work with all those intel/amd processors
<chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ??
<pinPoint> so i can keep it and still have ndiswrapper work
<pinPoint> without problems
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, you can always install the 686 kernel image after
<pinPoint> no no too much work
<phxguy> linpng... when i typed that command I get a bunch of error msgs
<chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ??
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, you don't have high speed Internet ?
<pinPoint> i do
<pinPoint> install then boot into it
<pinPoint> then uninstall 386
<pinPoint> double work
<chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ?? please help!!
<pinPoint> it could have just done 686
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, ok all you have to do is apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-686
<pinPoint> with sudo
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, it takes like 2 minutes :D
<thoreauputic> pinPoint: you don't have to uninstall a thing
<pinPoint> alright
<pinPoint> will do that
<chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ?? Some one help me i don't have all night to wait
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, it's best to have the 386 as a backup that works incase soemthing get's borked like nvidia drivers
<pinPoint> using ati
<thoreauputic> chickenman: then don't wait :)
<chickenman> i come in here for help and no one helps me !
<farruinn> chickenman: how did you compile the source?
<apokryphos> chickenman: your attitude is hardly helping you there
<LinuxJones> chickenman, your almost demanding that someone help you :P
<chickenman> i've been trying for 2 days to get the damn thing to work now i don't know where the files are stored
<netmonk> chickenman, i would have helped you, but I don't have a clue, may be the ones that can are busy. wait for a whle ;)
<DarthFrog> LinuxJones: Almost? :-)
<ali> I have another question, is there any rep for hoary for the non free rar ?
<LinuxJones> chickenman, updatedb and locate filename
<tritium> chickenman, that doesn't mean you should be rude
<chickenman> i am not being rude
<chickenman> :|
<thoreauputic> ali, multiverse
<LinuxJones> chickenman, what are you compiling ?
<chickenman> as small C++ program .cpp
<apokryphos> chickenman: "Some one help me i don't have all night to wait" -- is hardly the friendliest tone.
<chickenman> well i don't have all night
<tritium> chickenman, g++ puts the compiled file in the directory you call it from
<tritium> chickenman, be polite, or don't get help
<Xenguy> Hi - is anyone else getting occasional/regular unsolicited /msg's from some turkey (pun intended) who always just says "Hi" ?
<chickenman> that would be my desktop but i don't see any think new
<thoreauputic> chickenman: people here are volunteers
<tritium> chickenman, this is rude: <chickenman> well i don't have all night
<chickenman> :|
<pacorro> hi
<LinuxJones> hi pacorro
<DarthFrog> chickenman: As LinuxJones pointed out, updatedb and locate are the two commands you need.
<apokryphos> chickenman: what are you installing?
<rvirani> its going :D
<ali> thoreauputic, could you give me the hole link, (so that i can paset in my source list=
<chickenman> locate ill give it a try
<chickenman> and what do compiled .cpp files end up as ?
<pacorro> who know which repository i can find f-spot
<thoreauputic> ali, you just add the word multiverse after universe , with a space
<apokryphos> chickenman: whereis <packagename> will likely help, too; produce less results than locate...
<DarthFrog> chickenman: They don't end in anything in particular.
<chickenman> ok
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, I think it's something he has written himself
<apokryphos> oh
<tritium> chickenman, man g++
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, like helloworld
<goodoldunclemike> ? where do I edit Or where can i find doc's on mounting fat32
<chickenman> i go take a look see if i can find it brb
<ali> E: Malformed line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
<ali> E: The list of sources could not be read.
<ali> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
<thoreauputic> ali, Ok you got it wrong :)
<ali> hmmm....
<thoreauputic> ali, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<thoreauputic> ali, the repositories are listed there
<thoreauputic> including multiverse
<ali> thoreauputic, thanks
<odie5533> Is there a good java IDE for linux?
<Vjaz> Eclipse
<Bubbling_Zombie> netbeans
<Loevborg> odie5533, eclipse of course!
<Bubbling_Zombie> & eclipse
<odie5533> I hated netbeans on windows... =/
<odie5533> checking eclipse atm
<chickenman> i've found it thanks :D
<Den-Dens> Hi
<Den-Dens> I have a problem running gDesklets on UBUNTU
<Den-Dens> i get this as error /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
<Den-Dens>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
<Nermal> with what sensor / display ?
<Den-Dens> it gives this error when i just type gdesklets in terminal
<Den-Dens> and i tryed it with multiCPU display
<Nermal> o
<Den-Dens> i get a small bar but when i try to place it it just gives this error again
<Den-Dens> any ideas
<Den-Dens> i have tryed upgrading phyton but no change
<chickenman> i got the compiled C++ file but i can't run it what file type do i change it to run in the terminal ?
<malte> "[warn]  Init: (localhost.localdomain:443) You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!" <- i get this even though i've "SSLEngine on" in my virtual host config, and list the certificate and rsa key file. is there anything else to it?
<ali> I have innstallled the non free unrar, but when i right klikk on it and klikk on extract to, then i get the massege archive type not supported ..
<MobyTurbo> chickenman, make sure it's chmod'ed to be executable. (e.g. chmod +x)
<chickenman> ok
<malte> http://obbel.se/~malte/virt_hos <- this is my virtual host config
<Den-Dens> does anyone have an idea of how to fix the prob
<DarthFrog> malte: For one thing, you have: SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl.key/obbel.se.csr
<DarthFrog> That should be a CRT file, not your CSR.
<malte> DarthFrog, oh. i'm not sure what the difference is though
<malte> i followed a guide to generate a cert and a private key
<DarthFrog> malte: One is the Certificate Signing Request that you submit to a signing authority.  The other is the certificate you get back from said signing authority.
<malte> oh :)
<chickenman> i just get a load of error lines even though i checked it all a number of times my self is there any other GUI C++ compiler i can use ?
<malte> i suppose it's possible to generate one's own certificate which isn't signed?
<DarthFrog> malte: Yes.
<Xappe> woo, i'm buying a 300 GB hdd tomorrow, http://www.maxtor.com/portal/site/Maxtor/menuitem.ba88f6d7cf664718376049b291346068/?channelpath=/en_us/Products/ATA%20Hard%20Drives/Desktop/DiamondMax%2010
<Xappe> going to rebuild my ubuntu system
<sirukin> hmm
<MobyTurbo> Xappe, what do you need 300G for, multimedia files?
<Xappe> mhm
<malte> DarthFrog, ok, i'm googling right now. do you think that's why ssl won't work btw? apache doesn't give any error messages at all
<DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: What does need have to do with it? :-)
<Den-Dens> ok Cu all then i' will try solving it on my own then
<chickenman> i need a GUI C++ compiler other than G++ any one know where i can get one ?
<LinuxJones> Xappe, I am thinking of getting a 128 meg usb key
<Xappe> LinuxJones, :)
<LinuxJones> whohhhhooooo
<LinuxJones> :)
<Juz_pass-n-thru> what is the command to remount a hd so you can remount it rw (running the live ubuntu cd to try to rescue an install for a friend
<DarthFrog> malte: It might be.  You had better read your log files.  And you must have a Listen 443 statement in there somewhere.
<LinuxJones> Juz_pass-n-thru, remount
<DarthFrog> malte: I don't know Apache 2 at all.
<Xappe> need space for both windows gaming, multimedia and cedega/linux gaming
<Juz_pass-n-thru> that just made it ro again
<phxguy> libpng... still there???
<malte> DarthFrog, i have a Listen 443 elsewhere though
<libpng> yes phxguy
<malte> DarthFrog, ok, thanks anyway
<phxguy> ok
<MobyTurbo> Xappe, how good does cedega work?
<DarthFrog> Juz_pass-n-thru: mount -n  -o remount,rw (drive) (mount point)
<chickenman> can some one help please i need a C++ compiler other than G++
<phxguy> i have restarted and my Windows Drive mounted ok but
<Xappe> MobyTurbo, can't really tell, cause I have no room for new installs
<phxguy> my External Drive did not mount
<MobyTurbo> chickenman, what is wrong with g++?
<phxguy> i got an error during bootup
<libpng> what was it? phxguy
<phxguy> mount: device special /mnt/sde1 device does not exist
<chickenman> i compiled an run the file it made in terminal and it gave me a load of errors although the .cpp is fine
<phxguy> then when i did that tail command i didn't see it listed as before
<tritium> chickenman, the problem is not likely to be g++
<DarthFrog> chickenman: If it gave you a load of errors, then something is wrong.
<chickenman> well i know C++ and it's only 10 lines of code and i've checked it over and over again
<chickenman> ill have one more check :S
<DarthFrog> And it isn't likely to be g++.
<tritium> why don't you paste the program on pastebin.org and we'll check it out for you
<chickenman> :|  ehh
<libpng> phxguy, i think it is using a module. and not loaded at boot. first u must find it. but i dont know which module it is using. ask here. may be someonehelp.
<phxguy> libpng, So I Unplugged the usb cable and plugged it back in and this time nothing happened
<phxguy> ok...
<chickenman> you don't mind if i paste it on here do you it's only 9 lines ?
<phxguy> also my Bluetooth Keybd stopped working... sure its amodule  or library or something
<libpng> phxguy, take care at "dmesg | tail" when u unplugging and plugging it. and keep asking here:)
<chickenman> #include <iostream>
<chickenman> using namespace std;
<chickenman> int main()
<chickenman> {
<chickenman>   cout<<"hello\n";
<chickenman>   cin.get();
<chickenman> }
<chickenman> see any think wrong ?
<phxguy> ok will do
<Vjaz> chickenman: you need to return an int value
<Vjaz> chickenman: not that it mostly makes a difference
<ompaul> return 0; is good :)
<chickenman> still it should work?
<Vjaz> yeah
<phxguy> does anyone here know about the maxtor onetouch usb drive???
<phxguy> .
<Nobuyuki`> well dudes, I'd like to thank you all with all the linux help, and teaching me how to do simple stuff like reconfigure xorg, thanks to you all I had figured out enough to try and configure my monitor settings manually
<Nobuyuki`> which I managed to by guessing the hsync and vsync rates from a windows driver
<chickenman> ill recompile with the return 0;
<Vjaz> chickenman: how are you compiling it?
<chickenman> /usr/bin/i386-linux-g++ /root/Desktop/test.cpp like that
<tritium> chickenman, compiles fine
<tritium> runs fine
<chickenman> :|
<phxguy> I am having troubles getting my Ext USB drive to Mount
<tritium> chickenman, make sure you have build-essential installed
<ompaul> chickenman, and now what are you going to do with at that nice cin.get?>
<Vjaz> chickenman: why do you have a path like that for g++?
<chickenman> it's in the /bin folder
<tritium> it should be in your $PATH
<ompaul> chickenman, why are you doing that as root for?
<ompaul> ignore the for
<Jesterace> my pretty desktop
<Jesterace> http://jester.bluefire.org/images/ubuntu2.png
<chickenman> i do a lot of things as root
* ompaul shudders
<MobyTurbo> chickenman, you shouldn't run X as root
<ompaul> chickenman, you will learn
<chickenman> i know that
<ompaul> one day
<Vjaz> chickenman: it's probably a good idea to use -o with g++ like: g++ foo.cpp -o foo
<chickenman> what do you run it in i use gnome terminal ?
<Vjaz> chickenman: I'm not sure, but isn't the a.out binary format different from elf?
<MobyTurbo> chickenman, if you just don't want to type in passwords visudo sudo to not require them. At least you won't be breaking your system
<Juz_pass-n-thru> where does ubuntu keep it's file that tells the box what window manager to boot, I think the guy has changes this one to kde and now it crashes on him
<phxguy> I am having troubles getting my Ext USB drive to Mount. can somebody help me out???
<farruinn> at least he doesn't use irc as root...
<Vjaz> Juz_pass-n-thru: you can change it in the login screen
<Jesterace> phxguy, it doesn't automount?
<MobyTurbo> Vjaz, that's irrelevant, the "a.out" name of the executable is historical.
<Vjaz> Juz_pass-n-thru: there's something like "Session" in the bottom of the screen
<nmoore> once libdvdcss is installed, is there any more configuration to do?
<Vjaz> MobyTurbo: hm, ok
<nmoore> before i can play dvds
<phxguy> Jesterace,  nope it doesn't...dont know why
<Jesterace> any particular file system on it?
<phxguy> ntfs
<Jesterace> that's likely why
<Jesterace> mines fat
<chickenman> ill try run the new compile
<phxguy> it Did automount earlier but then I added it to my fstab so it would automount on bootup
<Jesterace> perhaps it's something in the fstab file
<phxguy> now it wont mount Jesterace
<phxguy> and my bluetooth keyboard isnt working
<Vjaz> chickenman: btw, what processor does your system have?
<chickenman> it get output to /usr/share/man/man1/test.1.gz is that right
<chickenman> ehhh
<chickenman> AMD-K6-2
<chickenman> 550mhz
<Vjaz> Hm, ok.
<Juz_pass-n-thru> Vjaz: there ain't no loggin screen he's fubarred by last update he said
<MobyTurbo> chickenman, "test" is already a program on your system.
<chickenman> :O
<chickenman> i change name
<farruinn> Jesterace: you need to get yourself a Human themed xmms! ;)
<phxguy> Jesterace, i think i am going to remove it from the fstab file
<Vjaz> farruinn: wouldn't that look ugly given that the rest of the system is not human?
<odo> is it just my imagination or are Ubuntu mirrors abit slow?
<farruinn> Vjaz: is that not human gtk? (I haven't used gnome is a while)
<Juz_pass-n-thru> what is the command line editor ubuntu has? there is no vi  no edit  ......
<farruinn> I guess that is just default clearlooks...
<chickenman> odo, unless your on 56k there fast
<DarthFrog> Juz_pass-n-thru: try nano
<Juz_pass-n-thru> tu
<Vjaz> farruinn: no... human is very simple and brown
<phxguy> well wish me luck gonna try to restart and see what happens
<odo> chickenman: I'm on 10Mbit line an getting about 200kB/s, way slower than usual
<MobyTurbo> odo, I'm on a 56K line. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you. ;-)
<chickenman> :O im on 300K and it goes at 35/ks (my normal)
<chickenman> 200kb/s is very fast :O
<MobyTurbo> at 10MBPS things should go so fast that you get the file before you ask for it. ;)
<odo> chickenman: it is slow compared to "normal"...few weeks back I got 900kB/s+ every time from Ubuntu's download servers...
<chickenman> odo, i would be happy to swap any day ;)
<tsume> question
<odo> chickenman: :)
<tsume> what is the root password to the default system?
<chickenman> odo, how much does that cost ?
<farruinn> tsume: there is none, it's disabled, you use sudo instead
<tsume> farruinn: ...
<farruinn> tsume: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo, it has all your answers =)
<cocol> with userpaswd when aksed
<odo> chickenman: 0 euros/month currently but real price is about 64 euros per month
<tsume> farruinn: theres nothing wrong with root, Theo tgold me so ;)
<chickenman> :P
<chickenman> i tryed to whereis my program i compiled and it diden't come up with any think ?
<tsume> umm
<GeP> fuck windows
<borgista> umm....ok GeP
<tsume> the points they make on that page are moot
<MobyTurbo> chickenman, root's $PATH doesn't include ./ by default
<tsume> root is a plus
<GeP> fuck mandrake too , viva ubuntu
<borgista> ok...someone's angry
<tsume> if at all
<MobyTurbo> tsume, if I need su to root I just run sudo -s
<tsume> sudo is a security hazard
<chickenman> :( i just typed find at / :(
<farruinn> tsume: then don't use sudo
<tsume> MobyTurbo: I'll just reenable root
<tsume> its more secure
<MobyTurbo> tsume, sudo records to log files every command you run as root. su does not.
<tsume> MobyTurbo: send patches
<MobyTurbo> tsume, sudo is widely considered more secure.
<tsume> MobyTurbo: by linux people
<MobyTurbo> tsume, that's funny, BSD has sudo available too.
<tsume> MobyTurbo: not by default
<mikep> Gep: It appears you have a limited vocabulary.
<MobyTurbo> tsume, it's the default on OS X
<farruinn> MobyTurbo: there's no reason to argue over it, everyone has their own choice
<tsume> MobyTurbo: MacOSX is bsd based, its not BSD
<tsume> it uses the Mach + BSD kernel code
<GeP> mikep yes
<tsume> userlanf is freebsd5
<farruinn> If the reasons for using sudo on the wiki aren't good enough for him it's not a big deal
<MobyTurbo> tsume, many NetBSD boxes are configured to use sudo with pkgsrc
<tsume> fbsd5 doesn't have sudo in the userland by default
<GeP> i'm very limited in terms of vocabulary because of my small intelligence
<DarthFrog> What's the big deal about sudo?
* MobyTurbo shrugs
<tsume> I'm tempted to add some comments to the wiki
<DarthFrog> GeP: You're a bear of very little brain, eh? :-)
<Funraiser> tsume u made ubuntuguide.org?
<GeP> it's because of go, it destroyed all my neurons
<tsume> stupid users don't need to worry about setting the root password if they aren't going to try remembering it
<GeP> lol
<farruinn> tsume: as you can see there is a section called "possible issues with this model", you could easily tack something onto that
<tsume> farruinn: is there a gui for lilo, or do I need to modify the lilo config file?
<tsume> farruinn: I wish there was a gui for everythihng ;)
<farruinn> I have no idea, I've never used lilo in my life
<tsume> well
<tsume> I take that back
<farruinn> there's a gui for grub I think...
<tsume> I wish there was a User friendly gui just to make simple changes
<tsume> farruinn: GRUB wouldn't work with my laptop
<farruinn> I see
<tsume> farruinn: would hang at boot
<tsume> GRUB
<tsume> and thats it
<MobyTurbo> I kind of like lilo's menuless mode better than grub, it really is invisable then. On the other hand lilo is easier to break (assuming of course both work on your system)
<tsume> MobyTurbo: lilo has a graphical mode
<Marble2> How do I get my mouse working so I can use mouse3,4, and 5 like in windows?
<DarthFrog> Marble2:  Edit /etc/X/xorg.conf and put the following line in:
<DarthFrog> ZAxisMapping "4 5"
<MobyTurbo> tsume, yes, if that's what you want. Since I don't have a windows partition I like the booter to stay out of my face except when I need it.
<Marble2> DarthFrog: there is no x folder
<DarthFrog> Marble2:  It's case sensitive.
<Marble2> root@Greg:/etc # cd X
<Marble2> bash: cd: X: No such file or directory
<DarthFrog> Try X11
<Marble2> there
<Marble2> there is no xorg.conf though
<DarthFrog> Marble2: Are you running Warty?  If so, it'll be called XFree86-4
<Marble2> no, hoary
<stuNNed> Marble2: install xserver-xorg
<Marble2> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main xserver-xorg 6.8.2-2
<Marble2>   404 Not Found
<Marble2> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xserver-xorg_6.8.2-2_i386.deb  404 Not Found
<Marble2> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
<DarthFrog> Marble2:  Do "apt-get update" first.
<Marble2> k
<PaO_sk8r> WOW 404 cool =)
<MobyTurbo> Marble2, is there an XF86Config-4 there?
<stuNNed> PaO_sk8r: 404?
<DarthFrog> Marble2: And then you might want to consider doing "apt-get dist-upgrade".
<Marble2> MobyTurbo: yes
<Marble2> DarthFrog: what would that do?
<MobyTurbo> Marble2, then you're running Warty?
<Marble2> no
<Marble2> hoary
<MobyTurbo> Marble2, Hoary at present has xorg
* MobyTurbo is running warty
<DarthFrog> Marble2: That would upgrade your installation to the latest & greatest.  And, perhaps, break something temporarily.
<Marble2> I installed xserver-xorg
<DarthFrog> Marble2: Don't worry about breakage, though.  Just do it. :-)
<Marble2> there is xorg.conf now
<MobyTurbo> I only run warty though because I'm on dial-up
<DarthFrog> So now restart X.
<MobyTurbo> too much time to upgrade
<DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Where are you located?
<MobyTurbo> Brooklyn, NY
<DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Across the continent from me, too bad.  :-)  If you were local, I'd say c'mon over and I'll burn a CD for you.
<MobyTurbo> :-)
<MobyTurbo> I've already used shipit.ubuntu.com to order my Hoary CD when it's released.
<DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Unless you want to visit Vancouver, BC.  :-)
<Marble2> DarthFrog: how do I restart x
<MobyTurbo> DarthFrog, I have a friend who lives in Canada, central Canada though.
<MobyTurbo> Ubuntu's CD shipping rocks
<DarthFrog> Marble2: Logout, then hit CTL-ALT-Backspace.
<Marble2> logout of what
<Marble2> ubuntu?
<Xappe> gnome
<DarthFrog> Marble2: Yes.
<DarthFrog> Or just hit CTL-ALT-Backspace, which will "reboot" the X server.
<Marble2> done
<Marble2> now what
<clackki> need a little help here..
<Marble2> DarthFrog: what do I do now
<DarthFrog> Is it working?
<clackki> Just can't remember how to install a deb packet :| need to install gtoaster..
<Marble2> I didn't add the line yet...
<Marble2> Was I supposed to do that before?
<DarthFrog> Marble2:  Try it.  It probably works now.
<Marble2> no
<DarthFrog> Marble2: Check xorg.conf for "ZAxis Mapping "4 5""
<Marble2> not found
<vaijr2002> anyone in here run verlihub?
<burbuja> hellos everyone
<DarthFrog> Marble2: In the section Section "InputDevice", there should be a line, Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
<drspin> quick question about USB filesystem support
<markybob> the torrent for hoary preview install amd64 listed in http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/  isnt working.  anyone know of a working torrent?
<Marble2> DarthFrog: I do have         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "6 7"
<Marble2> in there
<Marble2> do I add that in addition
<DarthFrog> Marble2: Ah, I don't know.  I've never had such a fancy mouse. :-)
<DarthFrog> Marble2: I shouldn't think so.
<Marble2> It's an MX500
<Marble2> The buttons don't work the way I want
<Marble2> you know how in windows when you're browsing the web you can have it so mouse3 brings up the little thing so you can just move your mouse to scroll?
<Marble2> How do I make mine do that
<Marble2> and how do I make mouse 4 and mouse 5 back and forward
<DarthFrog> No, I don't know, sorry.
<drspin> can I resize the NTFS filesystm on my USB?
<drspin> safely?
<pinPoint> ok i have the os up
<spades> Marble2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
<farruinn> drspin: the second question I can anser: no =)
<drspin> bummer :(
<MobyTurbo> drspin, parted can resize NTFS. I don't know how you define safely though.
<farruinn> or I could answer it...
<drspin> no data loss
<Marble2> spades: thanks, will that work for an MX500 though?
<drspin> no data loss == safe
<spades> Marble2: it works for me on my ge generic 5 button mouse
<DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Parted can do NTFS?  I didn't know that.
<MobyTurbo> drspin, resizing a partition is always risky.
<chickenman> can some one tell me where the hell my compiled C++ files go im using /usr/bin/i386-linux-g++ then /root/Desktop/program123.cpp
<spades> Marble2: backup the config file toreplace it if it doesnt just incase
<Marble2> ok
<kotatsu> /root/Desktop
<kotatsu> awesome
<MobyTurbo> DarthFrog, I believe so. I haven't tried it, as the last time I resized an NTFS partition I did it with partition magic before I knew of parted
<treke> chickenman:it'll be in a file called a.out in the current directoryi
<runedude> hi y'all.
<runedude> runedude@deadram:~ $ su
<runedude> Password:
<runedude> su: Authentication failure
<runedude> Sorry.
<MobyTurbo> kotatsu, there's nothing awesome about running X as root. It's a Bad IDea
<runedude> Whenever I try to su
<runedude> I get that
<da_root> when i want mount a network drive with fs type smbfs i got the error that the fs type is wrong! what i have to install to use this fstype? i'm sure that the fs type is the right one!
<kotatsu> MobyTurbo: I guess my sarcasm was missed =(
<MobyTurbo> runedude, use sudo
<runedude> And I know I'm typing the pass correctly.
<pinPoint> runedude: use your default pass
<pinPoint> regular users
<farruinn> chickenman: I think what you want to do is g++ file.cpp -o programname
<MobyTurbo> kotatsu, SDNWOTN
<runedude> my passworrd for "runedude" ?
<pinPoint> or do passwd on Root Terminal to change pass
<_Demian_> I'm upgrading to hoary
<_Demian_> should I upgrade bash as well?
<kotatsu> wow, there's an acronym =P what's it mean?
<farruinn> chickenman: then you can execute it by running './programname'
<runedude> i can login to "root" easily, by ssh
<da_root> do i have to install smb?
<runedude> but it doesnt like when I ssh
<_Demian_> it's asking me
<kotatsu> oh wait
<kotatsu> sarcasm doesn't work over the net
<kotatsu> ?
<MobyTurbo> kotatsu, you got it
<kotatsu> damn I'm good
<runedude> what's the correct usage of sudo?
<treke> sudo commandtorun
<kotatsu> I was hoping my statement was obvious enough to bypass that rule though =D
<runedude> i dont want to "run a command"
<MobyTurbo> or sudo -s for a shell
<DarthFrog> runedude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<runedude> I want to login and have a bash shell as root
<runedude> :|
<MobyTurbo> runedude, sudo -s
<farruinn> runedude: have you set a root password?
<runedude> farruinn, yes
<da_root> can someone help me?
<runedude> infact
* DarthFrog is using TuxCards to keep track of all the useful URLs posted on channel. :-)
<runedude> it stopped working, su, as soon as I installed cPanel Layer1
* farruinn doens't know what that is...
<inc> sup channel
<DarthFrog> farruinn: http://www.tuxcards.de/
<inc> any have experience with tape drives?
<DarthFrog> inc: Yes
<DarthFrog> inc: Only SCSI drives, though.
<inc> this one is an ide, i'm confused if i need to mount it
<MobyTurbo> inc, no, but I remember when tape was the choice method of shipping distros
<inc> if so what file system
<farruinn> runedude: is that what you installed, tuxcards? apt-cache show cpanel is something very differenent... :)
<DarthFrog> inc: You don't mount it.
<motuline> Can anyone tell me why I have no sound in Mplayer.. :o
<runedude> farruinn, I did wget http://layer1.cpanel.net/latest and did sh latest and let it run overnight
<runedude> It installed cPanel, then su wont work.
<inc> thought so... i run tar cvf /dev/hdd /home/  and get this tar: /dev/hdd: Wrote only 8192 of 10240 bytes
<runedude> btw, what should "su" be chmodded to? 755?
* pinPoint jumps around!!!
<pinPoint> mwwahahaha
<Echylo> gnight
<pinPoint> got ndiswrapper working
<kotatsu> inc: wrong command
<linuxg0d> muhahahahhaa
<motuline> sounds work with xine but they wont work with mplayer
<inc> kotatsu: ok
<kotatsu> tar cvf (filename).tar /path/to/files
<MobyTurbo> runedude, it needs to be suid root
<inc> kotatsu: i'm trying to tar to tape not a file
<kotatsu> oh
<kotatsu> hdd is a tape drive? hrm
<runedude> ok
<inc> that's what dmesg shows
<inc> fstep calles it /media/cdrom1
<inc> fstab^
<inc> MobyTurbo: so you remember anything from your tape drive days
<inc> hah
<chickenman> i tryed g++ /root/Desktop/program123.cpp -o prog123 and i search root and desktop but there was no hidden file or other file where should the file go if i compiled it from /root/Desktop ??
<MobyTurbo> inc, I remember seeing Slackware and thinking "that sure looks bloated"
<treke> a.out in the current direcoty
<farruinn> chickenman: are you using hoary?
<chickenman> no warty :P
<treke> er prog123 in the current directory
<Marble2> how do I make ubuntu stop opening the stuff I had open before I rebooted/logged out when I log back in
<Marble2> ?
<inc> MobyTurbo, now everything is like 4 cds
<motuline> [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy <- I Don't have any programs on that blocks sound card :o
<Marble2> motuline: what application are you running?
<MobyTurbo> inc, except Ubuntu. :-)
<DarthFrog> Marble2: Configure Gnome to not save the current session upon logout.
<markybob> the torrent for hoary preview install amd64 listed in http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/  isnt working.  anyone know of a working torrent?
<Marble2> how do I do that DarthFrog?
<farruinn> chickenman: 'g++ source.cpp -o prog123 ; ./prog123'
<inc> Marble2: i think that's when you shutdown when it asks you to save the settings
<DarthFrog> Marble2: I don't know.  I don't run Gnome.
<spades> Marble2: uncheck the save session on logout
<motuline> Marble2: I'm trying to get Mplayer play sounds
<chickenman> i've serch root and Desktop no hidden file like that
<treke> then it isn't building
<Marble2> motuline: configure it to use esd
<Marble2> spades: it's not checked
<treke> it will be in your current directory if it compiled
<treke> check for compiler errors
<chickenman> no errors
<Marble2> someone told me to do ctrl+alt+backspace at the uh login screen for gnome
<Marble2> what does that do>
<markybob> Marble2, ctrl+alt+backspace shuts X down
<treke> chickenman: then it will be in your current directory. There really isn't any other place for it to go
<Marble2> oh ok
<pinPoint> dude
* chickenman goes and looks again
<spades> Marble2: computer>desktop prefs> session
<pinPoint> i just changed my nic to static and it cant ping my other desktop
<spades> uncheck it here
<spades> there*
<farruinn> chickenman: I just built what you posted earlier and it worked fine: 'g++ source.cpp -o prog ; ./prog'
<chickenman> :| hmmm
<Marble2> where's this at spades?
<Marble2> I can't find it
<Mitario> hi guys
<spades> Marble2: go to run application and type gnome-session-properties
<Marble2> never mind
<Mitario> anyone have an idea in which package the macro AC_DEFINE_DIR is located?
<Marble2> thankst
<Marble2> spades: I don't see a checkbox for that
<pinPoint> im getting No Route to Host
<pinPoint> ftp>open 192.168.0.1
<farruinn> Mitario: what are you trying to build?
<chickenman> so if i compile from /root/Desktop/program123 i will find it in /root/desktop/.<outputname> ?
<Mitario> farruinn, gnome-applets
<inc> so anyone got a url with good info on tape drives?
<farruinn> Mitario: sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-applets
<spades> Marble2: if it isnt the 3rd checkbox then i dont know where to set it, try a normal logout and dont save the session and see if it defaults it
<Marble2> ok
<chickenman> ??
<Mitario> farruinn, good one :-)
<treke> chickenman: no
<chickenman> :|
<treke> it will be in /oot/desktop
<erik> anyone who is familiar with the make command
<Marble2> ugh
<Marble2> still brought my stuff back spades
<chickenman> this is messing up!
<chickenman> there
<Mitario> bah still getting the error, also after installing the build-deps for gnome-applets
<spades> Marble2: i dont know then, sorry
<chickenman> ahhhh i've found an a.out in / :D
<zion> hola, just installed ubuntu and I need to get the hpoj package (for a usb printer)
<Marble2> thanks anyway
<zion> its in debian, but not ubuntu
<farruinn> erik: what's up?
<farruinn> zion: have you checked to make sure it's not a different name?
<treke> if you specified -o, it will use that fileanem and not a.out
<drspin> why can't I view my USB drive except as root?
<zion> farruinn: if its a diff name, what would it be?
<chickenman> it's worked thanks a lot treke and farruinn :D
<treke> enjoy
<zion> farruinn: all docs on the wiki say 'hpoj' ...
<markblaine> I keep getting an error with amixer.  It says Invalid Card number.  Can this be fixed?
<farruinn> zion: it's in the universe repository
<zion> farruinn: ok... any docs on how to use that?
<thoreauputic> zion: it's in universe (warty)
<farruinn> zion: go to synaptic and make sure all the repositories are enabled
<motuline> Marble2: I have no esd in mplayers -ao list
<farruinn> zion: then be sure to hit the reload button if you're in warty
<thoreauputic> zion: apt-cache policy hpoj
<thoreauputic>  500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
<motuline> Available audio output drivers:
<motuline>         mpegpes DVB audio output
<motuline>         oss     OSS/ioctl audio output
<motuline>         null    Null audio output
<motuline>         pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output
<motuline>         plugin  Plugin audio output
<motuline> there is only those drivers
<motuline> :o
<erik> farruinn: i tried to get my modem to work according a guideline, now i have to "make" source code
<Marble2> Anyone know how I can make gnome not remember my applications and restart them after a reboot/logout? I am not checking the box when I go to logout
<chickenman> erik, you using 56k ?
<farruinn> Marble2: make sure they're not set in the Session preferences
<Marble2> I don't see an option in session prefs
<erik> no, adsl etech v2 usb modem under windows now, i like to step over to ubuntu
<Marble2> except for startup programs, but that is blank
<chickenman> erik, can it run on ethernet ?
<erik> no, i run it now on win98 and internetsharing to my laptop
<chickenman> erik, does it have another port for ethernet on the back ?
<erik> noop
<chickenman> erik, to bad USB modem just do not work with linux i've tryed you will need ethernet
<erik> yeah, it's just the sport. I found http://accessrunner.sourceforge.net/index.shtml and that should work
<erik> now i have to use make. only i don't know how
<farruinn> erik: you'll need to apt-get install build-essential at the very least
<chickenman> your best bet though is go out and buy an ethernet modem and a nic card if you don't have one
<farruinn> look in the source, there should be files like INSTALL and README, you'll want to read them =)
<ells> tritium: what is up mike
<Marble2> can anyone help me with my problem in gnome?
<erik> chickenman: i know, but i just wanted to give it a try
<ells> tritium: got a question. how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
<dabi> emn.. where can i change root's psw?
<CarlK_> just did the first half of hoary install from CD, ejected, reboot, it wants the CD, and has some "typos" or something - is there a way I can capture the tty1 console screen from tty2? - otherwise Ihave to do this http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/e/p1010002.jpg - which is just silly
<chickenman> there is a number of ways to get past it but no one has got off there as and programed some think good to run USB modems
<chickenman> ass*
<tullinga> any reason to why this command "make-kpkg clean " would not work correct on version 5.04 PPC?
<Marble2> Why is gnome remembering my applications even after I logout/reboot?
<ells> anyone know how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
<chickenman> a ethernet modem should cost around 35 and a nic card 5
<erik> you're right, but anyway i like to know how to use the make
<DARKHalf__> can someone help me? i installed packages, but cannot see them in my menus
<zion> cool that universal thing worked... thnx
<CarlK_> erik- type make and hit enter
<chickenman> erik, go download the full ubuntu warty CD (512MB)
<chickenman> thats what i did :)
<CarlK_> erik - that is how you "use" it.  doesn't mean you have it and all of it's depandancies installed, or how to write make files, which is a different Q
<LinuxJones> DARKHalf__, you running warty or hoary ?
<ells> anyone know how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
<erik> CarlK_: i tried and it runs but i get CC [M]   /home/erik/usbatm/usbatm.o
<erik> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
<erik> make[2] : *** [/home/erik/usbatm/usbatm.o]  Fout 127
<erik> make[1] : *** [_module_/home/erik/usbatm]  Fout 2
<erik> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-3-k7'
<pinPoint> WHT
<DARKHalf__> i'm running warty
<farruinn> erik: have you installed build-essential?
<pinPoint> i just installed my wireless nic
<dabi> i have philips mp3 key006, xp detects it as an mass storage, how can i use it on ubuntu?
<erik> searching for it
<pinPoint> rebooted an there is nothing in networking anymore
<farruinn> DARKHalf__: in some cases you need to log out then log back into gnome
<LinuxJones> DARKHalf__,  open nautilus and type applications:/// (I think)
<farruinn> DARKHalf__: in other cases you may have to add the menu item from the applications:/// place
<chickenman> pinPoint, eww wireless why diden't you get a plug it one much cheaper
<tullinga> any reason to why this command "make-kpkg clean " would not work correct on version 5.04 PPC?
<pinPoint> ???
<dabi> how can i install usb mass storage/mp3? it uses fat16
<gfxstyler> hey
<pinPoint> nic is active
<tullinga> I am trying to compile the kernel
<pinPoint> but it wont dhcp
<gfxstyler> is there a way to edit the gnome menu ? i want to add gxine
<pinPoint> shit shit shit
<farruinn> DARKHalf__: fyi, last time I tried in warty, the launcher wouldn't necessarily show up once you've added it to the right place in applications:///, again a logout-login fixed
<pinPoint> how do i bring it up
<farruinn> gfxstyler: in hoary?
<pinPoint> ifup wlan0
<gfxstyler> farruinn: yes
<pinPoint> says its already configured
* pinPoint screw this, time for work
* pinPoint bbl
<DARKHalf__> ok, i'll try relogin
<pinPoint> nothing but false hope
<dabi> how can i install usb mass storage/mp3?
<farruinn> gfxstyler: the menu system has changed and as of yet there isn't a way to modify menus from within gnome
<gfxstyler> dabi: if you plug it in it should be on the destkop (at least its for me) otherwise have a look at /dev/sda
<gfxstyler> farruinn: oh, thats sad, but thanks for the info :)
<farruinn> gfxstyler: some people have made some python/gtk apps that do the job though, use at your own risk of course
<LinuxJones> dabi, you will have to load the fat driver I suspect as well
<dabi> gfxstyler: not in desktop and there is no /dev/sda
* chickenman shouts : Death to windows :P
<dabi> hmm how?
<LinuxJones> sudo modprobe fat
<gfxstyler> dabi: if i plug in my mp3 player or usb stick it appears on the desktop and i can access it via /dev/sda
<tritium> ells, hey, sorry.  I was away.
<dabi> gfxstyler: rare.. mine doesnts.. did on mdk..
<BigIslandVegan> hi everybody
<dabi> hi mr BigIslandVegan ;)
<BigIslandVegan> :-p
<munki> anybody knows a nice dvd-ripper, that rip's a dvd file to avi or mpg ?
<munki> maybe divX or svcd?
<LinuxJones> munki, dvdrip
<munki> dvdrip
<munki> heh..
<LinuxJones> :)
<munki> okay :)
<dabi> munki: try www.afterdawn.com theres many
<munki> Why didn't I guess that ?
<LinuxJones> munki, I think it's in the mirillat repository
<munki> ok thank LinuxJones
<phxguy> does anyone know how to get my trashcan onto m y desktop?
<motuline> Can I configure cedega to use esd sounds?
<Marble2> oh my god
<Marble2> how do I just reset all the gnome sessions to default
<Marble2> like they were on install
<armando> Anyone able to tell me how to install hoarty (or whatever its name is?)... total linux newb :)
<Marble2> I messed something up
<Marble2> my mouse doesn't work at the splash screen, it's saving my damn applications, ugh
<LinuxJones> armando, there are problems with Hoary sometimes
<LinuxJones> armando, best to wait a few weeks till it is released as stable
<armando> linuxjones: But I need to install xfree86 to get the drivers I need for my ATI Radeon 345M Mobility card.
<LinuxJones> armando, ok, I will tell you if you really want
<armando> linuxjones thanx :)
<phxguy> I would like to have my trashcan on my desktop... can someone help?
<LinuxJones> armando, in console type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
<Marble2> how do I just reset all the gnome sessions to default
<Marble2> like they were on install?
<munki> LinuxJones: got some error, when trying to install transcode for dvdrip
<munki> Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
<munki> and same for libvorbis0
<armando> linuxjoines gives me an error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
<LinuxJones> phxguy, change the line that has warty in it to this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
<LinuxJones> philly, sorry that was for you armando
<LinuxJones> god phxguy :(
<phxguy> where do I change that Line @
<phxguy> hmmm
<LinuxJones> phxguy, sorry that was for someone else
<phxguy> ok thought it might be
<Marble2> how do I reset all the gnome session bs to default, anyone know?
<LinuxJones> phxguy, you can add it to the panel ?
<armando> linuxjones gives me a blank text file
<calavera> i'm guessing that if i use the 2.6.11-1-686 kernel (hoary) and i get a lot of "schedulingn while atomic" in the kernel log right before X crashes the system, then i need to compile my own version of the kernel without preempt (at least on the big lock). or am i completely off track on this one?
<BigIslandVegan> anybody have experience or knowledge regarding with internet access through their bluetooth phone. I can do it when I start up into Mac OS X but I don't know yet how to work with the bluez and utils that I installed via synaptic yesterday
<phxguy> LinuxJones, right now it is showing in the bottom right corner where the 'windoze systray" would be
<phxguy> but i would like to have a nice big icon on my desktop
<Marble2> anyone?
<Sander__> calavera, I tried the k7 version and I had the same problem. 2.6.10-3 has been very good to me, but I wanted to see if suspend to ram was working.
<LinuxJones> armando, it's case sensitive, do sudo /etc/apt/sour(tab)  {the tab will fill in the blanks}
<calavera> Sander__: unfortunately i can not use the ubuntu patched kernel. something in the ide driver does not like my machine
<vaijr2002> eeek
<BigIslandVegan> sorry, "regarding accessing the internet..."
<vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager:
<vaijr2002>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
<vaijr2002> what did i dooooooo?
<vaijr2002> i cant install stuff lol
<LinuxJones> vaijr2002, use synaptic that's only for updates
<th3cl3aner> is there a list of wireless card supported for laptops
<Marble2> how do I reset all the gnome session bs to default, anyone know?
<calavera> is there a binary package for an unpatched 2.6.10 somewhere? i don't particularly feel like rolling my own kernel tonight
<LinuxJones> Marble2, you have a bunch of applications opening up when Gnome starts ?
<memcmeme> Well I have been using Ubuntu for a day, I am life long MS and apple user
<memcmeme> and I can honestly say Ubuntu is superior
<LinuxJones> memcmeme, :)
<Terrasque> memcmeme: welcome to the club :-)
<memcmeme> The Linux version of Celestia is a LOT more advanced than the windows version
<phxguy> so how do i get an icon onto my desktop of the trash can
<memcmeme> well I got to run to class
<BigIslandVegan> Anybody with Bluetooth experience? :-)
<memcmeme> later
<Marble2> LinuxJones: yes
<Marble2> and my mouse won't work at the splash screen
<Marble2> where i login
<phxguy> I have a bluetooth keyboard that worked at first but isn't working anymore......
<djst> what's wrong with the update manager? every day there are like 50 new updates...
<djst> is that really for real??
<Marble2> djst: yes
<djst> whoa.. i'm glad i'm not on a modem then
<_Demian_> I've got a problem
<BigIslandVegan> phxguy, maybe it's one of those things that is in flux while they are coming up with a stable version
<_Demian_> my resolution is 640x480
<_Demian_> and that's it
<_Demian_> I can't change it :(
<BigIslandVegan> i wish to get online through my motorola v600 using bluetooth, since ubuntu doesn't yet support airport extreme
<munki> f~LinuxJones, you got the source-line for merillat you can paste for me ? :)
<phxguy> maybe.... but ive tried other distro and it worked fine once i was logged in.... well we will have to wait and see i suppose
<Ubuntu-Taliban> hello
<Marble2> LinuxJones: the mouse not working at login is the biggest thing though
<Marble2> do you know how to fix it?
<phxguy> BigIslandVegan,  let me know how that goes... i have the same phone
<armando> linuxjones ok got it :)
<BigIslandVegan> hmm, certainly, you using ppc or x86?
<BigIslandVegan> it may not matter, just wondering
<phxguy> x86
<_Demian_> can anyone advise?
<_Demian_> plz
<_Demian_> this sucks :)
<BigIslandVegan> ok
<munki> okay, anybody that would be nice to me, paste the merillat-line from the source-list to me
<munki> please :)
<BigIslandVegan> what service provider?
<phxguy> so does anyone know how to get the trashcan onto the desktop
<armando> linuxjones ok, thats done, now what?
<phxguy> Legacy AT&T
<Jesterace> heh my update monitor tells me there is one update availible then it keeps telling me i'm up to date
<djst> anyone here good at solving problems with the nvidia driver? i'm having a major problem since about the day i installed ubuntu (hoary preview release)...
<BigIslandVegan> hmm, you looked into t-mobile? much cheaper
<BigIslandVegan> for internet access through the phone
<munki> Jesterace: run apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
<phxguy> thier servcice here sucks
<LinuxJones> armando, sudo synaptic
<lprofil_> try it the manual with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
<phxguy> very patchy
<BigIslandVegan> bummer
<BigIslandVegan> seems to work well on this island
<Jesterace> says thing to iinstall
<djst> my problem is it just won't start anymore. it worked the first day i installed, then after the package manager had updated packages a couple of hundred times ( ;) ) it just stopped working
<phxguy> besides i still have time on my contract
<LinuxJones> armando, you have to save the file first
<JDigital> Hey ssh-experts. Can anyone help me with my problem: Here it is: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20
<JDigital> It's some kind of thing that my ssh doesn't work
<djst> anyway has any clue whatsoever about the nvidia driver not starting?
<JDigital> (ssh)
<BigIslandVegan> yeah, i waited mine out too, long time
<BigIslandVegan> well, actually, i was well into my month to month when i changed
<BigIslandVegan> over a year i think :-)
<djst> i'll write a review about ubuntu hoary soon and this is about the only negative part of my install actually
<phxguy> i still have about 6 mos left
<Jesterace> djst, how did you install the drivers?
<Jesterace> apt-get ?
<NeoGeo64> hi how do i find and change my root password
<NeoGeo64> i just installed ubuntu 4.10
<BigIslandVegan> well, you'll have new options soon :-)
<djst> Jesterace:  i think the nvidia driver was included with the install actually... the thing i did was changing from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf
<LinuxJones> djst, in Hoary you mean ?
<Jesterace> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
<Jesterace> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
<djst> LinuxJones:  yes, in hoary preview.. and the nvidia driver has worked, but only for one day.. after a reboot it just stopped
<Jesterace> sudo apt-get nvidia-settings
<Jesterace> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
<NeoGeo64> does anyone know
<Jesterace> that's what i did to get my nvidia drivers working
<LinuxJones> djst, unless you manually installed the nvidia driver you were probably using the open source nv driver
<armando> linuxjones understood
<JDigital> change it back to nv then
<NeoGeo64> someone please help
<LinuxJones> armando, so you have synaptic up ?
<djst> Jesterace:  can i instruct it not to install it from the cd, but from the net?
<Jesterace> NeoGeo64, your root password should be the same one as your user password
<armando> linuxjones yup, but gave me an error that it couldnt find it.
<phxguy> so can someone help me please
<Jesterace> djst, that's the only place you'll find it
<armando> linuxjones gonna see if I enetered the info correctly.
<LinuxJones> armando, ok let's do it this way
<mirak> hi
<armando> linuxjones ok :)
<Jesterace> there's two repositories that need enabling usually
<mirak> does someone ever used the calbe select option on the hard drives ?
<djst> Jesterace:  oh.. darn it then.. i'll have to find it on one of my 5 unlabelled cd-rw discs then..
<LinuxJones> armando, in synaptic click Settings>>Repositories
<Terrasque> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308 | what a lol article
<LinuxJones> armando, that will open a new window
<NeoGeo64> Jesterace:  It's not.
<vaijr2002> i am still lost
<Jesterace> djst, did you check out http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
<Jesterace> ?
<djst> LinuxJones:  no, i changed from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf, and that made the Nvidia splash screen appear and it started to work
<Jesterace> NeoGeo64, that's wierd
<vaijr2002> when i try to add remove programs. i get this....
<Jesterace> so your sudo doesn't work
<NeoGeo64> how would i retreve it
<djst> Jesterace:  i'm on it, just trying to find that cd with the driver
<JDigital> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20 <--- nearly a month and nobody has been able to solves this problem
<armando> linuxjones ok, got it up.
<vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
<vaijr2002>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
<vaijr2002> right after i type my pw
<Jesterace> it should be in the hoary universe
<NeoGeo64> Yes, sudo works but su does not.
<LinuxJones> djst, ok I also had problem with the latest 2.6??-5 kernel release + nvidia try installing the 2.6.?-4 kernel it worked for me.
<Jesterace> my su doesn't work either
<Jesterace> i just use sudo
<NeoGeo64> Where is my XFree config file?  I want to change the default resoulution to 1280x1024.
<Jesterace> or you can launch a root terminal
<NeoGeo64> I miss su :(
<Jesterace> NeoGeo64, /etc/X11/
<LinuxJones> armando, ok go down to the entries that has a checkbox marked.
<NeoGeo64> I'll devote more time to fixing su later.
<vaijr2002> lol
<vaijr2002>  help help
<djst> LinuxJones, Jesterace:  so the nvidia driver doesn't work with the latest kernel?
<LinuxJones> djst, for me no :(
<vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
<vaijr2002> vaijr2002  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
<vaijr2002> vaijr2002 right after i type my pw
<djst> that would explain stuff...
<Jesterace> djst, hrmm
<LinuxJones> armando, look for the entry that looks like >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
<Jesterace> what's the latest kernel?
<NeoGeo64> Where in the file do I specify my default resolution?
<djst> Jesterace: what's that nvidia-common package?
<DarthFrog> Jesterace: 2.6.11
<Jesterace> i'm running 2.6.10-5-k7
<armando> linuxjones ok, its downloading some update files.
<Jesterace> hmm
<Jesterace> djst, not sure
<LinuxJones> armando, change the part that says warty with hoary and click ok
<NeoGeo64> Where in the XFree86 config file do I specify my default resolution?
<LinuxJones> armando, did you click reload ?
<djst> Jesterace:  i'll have to reburn the cd again because i overwrote it already :(
<Jesterace> ahh
<xiglet> I'm getting some dependency problems after installing hoary array-7, did not have theese problems this the preview version. (with i.e the multiverse repository)
<djst> Jesterace:  why isn't the package available, not even in the world repository?
<Jesterace> djst, which ubuntu are you using?
<Jesterace> warty or hoary?
<djst> Jesterace:  hoary preview
<Jesterace> hmm
<armando> linux nope, it said that the list had change and if I wanted to update or something of like.
<djst> Jesterace:  and nvidia is there in the repository, and i have the module
<Jesterace> i'm running hoary and the nvidia driver installed fine
<Jesterace> did you run
<Jesterace> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
<djst> Jesterace:  it's just that it won't start, it tells me that i don'thave a working screen
<Jesterace> and see if that does something
<djst> Jesterace:  yes, i've tried that.. that's what nvidia-glx package told me to do in order to enable glx, but it has nothing to do with using the nvidia driver from what i can tell
<Jesterace> hmm
<LinuxJones> djst, I have a 32 meg GF2MX card and it doesn't work on that kernel release, for me anyways.
<djst> Jesterace:  in order to use the nvidia driver, you should just have to change "nv" to "nvidia", which i did.. and which worked... until all of a sudden it stopped working :(
<Jesterace> was there a kernel change?
<conner> djst: what kernel are you using?
<djst> LinuxJones:  that's exactly what i have.. almost.. 64 mb i think i have
<Jesterace> i have a 256mb FX5500
<Jesterace> kind of wasted in linux :P
<Jesterace> works well with windows and games
<calavera> Sander__: did you try rebuilding the 2.6.11-1 without the preemt on the big kernel lock?
<djst> conner:  10-5-386
<Jesterace> my other box has a 128mb radeon
<armando> linuxjones ok it opens a list of repositories but doesnt show any checkboxes.
<Sander__> calavera, no. I just use the regular binary kernels. I don't build unless I really have to.
<djst> Jesterace:  i just don't get why it stopped working in the first place.. if i never had gotten it to work, i wouldn't feel as frustrated
<Jesterace> true
<LinuxJones> djst, maybe it's card specific, I can tell you that 2.6.10-4-k7 + nvidia work perfectly. You can easily download apt-get install linux-image
<Jesterace> then again hoary isn't listed "stable" yet
<Jesterace> there will be strange breakages
<Jesterace> however mine was fine untill the update notifier
<Jesterace> that won't go away now
<djst> LinuxJones:  i will try.. i'm surprised it hasn't been downloaded already because I download like 50+ updates every day
<calavera> Sander__: yeah. me too. but since neither of the kernels in hoary works for me, i think i have too try this now
<Sander__> Is your machine a laptop or PC?
<LinuxJones> djst, I mean downgrade your kernel-image so it works with nvidia
<f00fbug> hmm... is there anyway to upgrade to hoary via apt?
<LinuxJones> armando, this is killing me :D
<xenonite> hi, what would you recommend for a windows switcher: ubuntu or kubuntu?
<djst> LinuxJones:  ah i understand.. although i'm not very excited about downgrading the kernel... :(
<armando> linuxjones its ok :) I better leave to catch a plane anyway :)
<f00fbug> xenonite, kubuntu
<armando> But your help has been most appreciated linuxjones :D
<f00fbug> apt-get dist-upgrade?
<xenonite> okay, anyone else?
<calavera> xenonite: i think it depends on what kind of a user you are setting this up for. i think technically less inclined people might be a little more comfortable with gentoo
<calavera> oops. i mean gnome
<f00fbug> any1{
<f00fbug> *?
<LinuxJones> armando, sorry I havn't had any beer yet  :P >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
<xenonite> hm not any? f00fbug? some1?
<xenonite> calavera: no not gentoo for that user please
<calavera> xenonite: i meant to write gnome.
<LinuxJones> djst, you won't be downgrading just installing the last kernel release, what kernel are you running now (uname -r) ?
<mike998> calvera: you nearly had me with that gentoo remark
<armando> linuxjones: lol have fun ;)
<djst> LinuxJones: 10-5-386
<LinuxJones> armando, :)
<hawke_> xenonite: I'd recommend KDE, so I guess kubuntu.
<garret_> questions about gpg key. Trying to add source from a debian source, keep getting the key error, any help?
<calavera> mike998: yeah i don't know where that came from. gentoo is definitely not for technically less inclined users
<f00fbug> ok
<djst> LinuxJones:  but there are newer kernel versions out there.. so your suggestion would still be a downgrade, right?
<garret_> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free
<hawke_> xenonite: Though, gnome tends to be simpler, so that might be a plus.
<LinuxJones> djst, ok sudo -s (password) apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
<f00fbug> i changed all the dists to hoary.. now if this is as good as debian is apt-get dist-upgrade should just work :D
<calavera> xenonite: exactly. for your basic every-day tasks gnome is just simpler and less intimidating than kde
<xenonite> yes gnome might be simpler, but she is a windows user now...
<mike998> calvera: yeah, the thought of taking days just to get X up and running scares me
<djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: you are right both of you.. installing nvidia-glx wants me to insert the cd, and it also wants me to install the old 2.6.10-4 kernel
<Jesterace> really
<LinuxJones> djst, argh sorry make that -4
<f00fbug> KDE is more appealing to a win user imo
<Jesterace> it's working fine with my -5  kernel
<djst> Jesterace:  yes, appearantly it doesn't like new kernels
<xenonite> f00fbug thats what i thought
<Jesterace> with slackware i was able to install the nvidia driver with 2.6.11.4 kernel no issues
<hawke_> xenonite: Simply the fact that it is different might help though...Some people adjust better when it's a lot different than when it's almost the same but not quite.
<calavera> mike998: i was a gentoo user once. the compile-times weren't so bad for the most part. but after compiling kde for the umpteenth time i got fed up
<djst> Jesterace:  although i have to try it, and the first step now is burning the cd and then do what the system tells me to.. then boot with the old kernel and make it work, then choose the new kernel and see if it stops working.. if it does, ..well at least i know more about it
<djst> off to burn cd now, wish me good luck :)
<xenonite> hawke_ that is a point
<LinuxJones> gl :)
* f00fbug hopes it works
<NeoGeo64> Help, how do I get the runlevel to 3 so I can install my nvidia drivers?  I tried sudo'ing init 3 but it doesn't do anything.
<treke> Is there any good way to predict in what order ubuntu is going to load network devices?
<will> NeoGeo64: jsut use the drivers from apt-get
<xenonite> hm but if that user dont want to learn that much to get used to gnome
<NeoGeo64> That doesn't satisfy me.
<NeoGeo64> I want to learn.
<NeoGeo64> :)
<NeoGeo64> hehe
<NeoGeo64> but thanks
<NeoGeo64> lol
<pipeline> The only thing you'll learn from the nvidia installer is the meaning of pain.
<pipeline> Use apt-get or don't do it at all.
<xenonite> kde has a better learning curve i thought
<NeoGeo64> really?
<pipeline> The installer thinks you're using redhat and craps all over your /usr filesystem.
<NeoGeo64> ubuntu sucks.  i cant do anything manually.
<NeoGeo64> heh
<NeoGeo64> im used to slackware
<pipeline> Then use gentoo.  No skin off my back.
<djst> hmm.. have to install k3b which includes 100 mb of required packages.. :( once again, glad i'mnot on a modem :)
<will> NeoGeo64: its relatively easy to do - just build your own module as described in the install!
<NeoGeo64> pipeline:  Fine.  I just might.
<xenonite> NeoGeo64, swith runlevels via "init <NR>"
<will> i did it no problems about 4 months ago on warty
<NeoGeo64> I tried that, but it doesn't do anything.
<NeoGeo64> heh
<will> try again!
<hawke_> xenonite: depends on the user...presumably you know her better than me/us.  My general suggestion would be to go with KDE.
<will> READ everything :)
<pablo921> Is Ubuntu a plug and play OS? When I changed soundcards no sound until I reloaded ubuntu?
<NeoGeo64> ubuntu reminds of me windows xp starter edition
<xenonite> okay thank you
<NeoGeo64> How do I apt-get the nvidia driver
<f00fbug> pablo921, it should detect & load the prorer modules
<xenonite> i thing i will present her both: a knoppix-kde and a ubuntu-live-cd
<xenonite> and let her choose then
<phxguy_> did this room die or was it just my connection?
<f00fbug> xenonite, no
<hawke_> xenonite: that makes sense to me.
<f00fbug> a hoary live cd
<pipeline> phxguy: It's all you, bud.
<phxguy_> seems like it
<pipeline> NeoGeo64: You'll have to use Debian Unstable packages.
<f00fbug> iirc knoppix still uses 3.3
<phxguy_> So can someone help me here
<pablo921> Well I've got sound on that box now, but just front channels.
<pipeline> NeoGeo64: I'd check the wiki if I were you.
<f00fbug> and 3.4 is better :D
<NeoGeo64> heh
<treke> xenonite: Why use knoppix over the kubuntu livecd?
<NeoGeo64> time to COMPILE xmms from SOURCE
<NeoGeo64> since ubuntu doesnt come with it
<LinuxJones> phxguy, just slowed down I guess
<xenonite> treke, i didnt knowe there is one
<treke> NeoGeo64: it's in universe
<LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, ubuntu comes with xmms
<NeoGeo64> xmms: command not found.
<phxguy_> think i got moofed or something
<xenonite> treke, is kubuntu already sort of mature as in, say suse?
<LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you have to install it dude
<phxguy_> i downloaded xmms through synamptic thing
<treke> actually it's in main and not universe
<xenonite> f00fbug, of course hoary ;-)
<treke> xenonite: Having not used suse, I wouldnt really know
<f00fbug> xenonite, its not broken ;)
<phxguy_> So how can I get my trashcan onto my desktop LinuxJones
<xenonite> *g*
<LinuxJones> phxguy_, you can right click your desktop then add a link to the /home/.trash folder
<phxguy_> ok now i can fix my nick
<xenonite> look, i used yoper linux once, and kde was very annoying there
<xenonite> suse is better with kde
<NeoGeo64> How do I get a list of packages
<f00fbug> thats not fair :)
<NeoGeo64> with apt-get
<treke> apt-cache search xmms
<bside>  /part
<xenonite> (than yoper)
<phxguy> LinuxJones, when i right click I dont get an option to create a link
<f00fbug> ummmmmm
<NeoGeo64> apt-search xmms returns the locations of a few shared libs
<xenonite> f00fbug, u use kubuntu?
<LinuxJones> phxguy_, create laucher
<f00fbug> apt-get dist upgrade is gonna install xorg right?
<LinuxJones> phxguy_,  under Type click link
<xenonite> NeoGeo64, do a apt-cache search xmms
<xenonite> but dont forget the sudo
<f00fbug> xenonite, nah i use gentoo :) but i did use the live cd
<xenonite> hm
<conner> phxguy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#showdesktopicons
<f00fbug> and it seemed pretty together
<NeoGeo64> root@box:/home/tony # apt-cache search xmms
<NeoGeo64> libflac4 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
<NeoGeo64> liboggflac1 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library (ogg)
<NeoGeo64> libsmpeg0 - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries
<JDigital> Hey ssh-experts. Can anyone help me with my problem: Here it is: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20
<LinuxJones> phxguy_,  on the command type /home/$USER/.Trash
<tsume> hoary has the latest softaware, yhes?
<xenonite> f00fbug, hehe from a gentoo-user's pov anything seems pretty stable ;)
<tsume> where can I get kernel 2.6.8.11?
<f00fbug> debian stable should be changed from woody to relic ;)
<f00fbug> xenonite, lol
<phxguy> thanks LinuxJones and conner
<davix> how do i install an rpm on ubuntu?
<LinuxJones> conner, that was alot easier :)
<thenuke> davix: with some tool named alien something
<calavera> @find calavera
<LinuxJones> davix, alien whatever.rpm
<xenonite> davix, use alien
<davix> tnx dudes
<LinuxJones> davix, then dpkg -i whatever.deb
<xenonite> hehe pretty fast here
<phxguy> that worked!!! yeah =)
#ubuntu 2005-03-30
<f00fbug> rpm = evil :)
<xenonite> i thing nero is supplied as rpm
<NeoGeo64> dude
<NeoGeo64> apt-get sucks
<NeoGeo64> i cant do anything with it
<LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, lol
<NeoGeo64> root@box:/home/tony # apt-get install nvidia-glx
<NeoGeo64> Reading Package Lists... Done
<NeoGeo64> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<NeoGeo64> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<NeoGeo64> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<NeoGeo64> is only available from another source
<xenonite> hm you have to print the source code to beat it
<NeoGeo64> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
<NeoGeo64> i cant do anything
<tsume> where can I get kernel 2.6.8.11?
<tsume> i'm trying to see if ther is a binary
<tsume> is there
<tsume> ?
<LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you need to add the universe and restricted repositories
<NeoGeo64> how
<conner> tsume: I haven't seen any packages of 2.6.11 yet. The latest is 2.6.10-5.
<NeoGeo64> and what are they
<nick_m_ubuntu> hi everyone. is there a wiki or some info on changing the kernel in the hoary livecd?
<tsume> conner: :(
<tsume> conner: will there be a .11 for hoary?
<conner> tsume: I hope so. I was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. I'm running hoary right now.
<LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, are you in x64 or x86 ?
<NeoGeo64> x86
<tsume> conner: I hope so too
<LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
<tsume> :( my batteries are dying
<tsume> wireless mouse :)
<tsume> wireless laptop
<tsume> wireless power :)
<shmoolik> is there any good burning program for Gnome?
<LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you should make sure you have main restricted & universe enabled
<inphlict> What command will let me remove a directory
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, graveman
<JDigital> Hhow do I tell how many meggerbytes free space I have left?
<inphlict> I can't seem to do it with rm ro rmdir
<tsume> JDigital: df -h
<nick_m_ubuntu> Shaquile, there is built in cd burning.. places->cd/dvd creator
<xenonite> inphlict, do a rm -r
<shmoolik> LinuxJones, thanks
<inphlict> I get
<inphlict> rm: cannot remove directory `/media/win_c': Permission denied
<nick_m_ubuntu> sorry, shmoolik
<inphlict> I unmounted it already
<inphlict> and all
<xenonite> inphlict, you have to be root
<Shaquile> nick_m_ubuntu: Mkay...
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, it's very good, there is also gnomebaker which will require a tiny bit of work to get installed
<inphlict> how do I get into root, sorry I'm new
<xenonite> inphlict, sudo rm -r
<inphlict> ah crap
<inphlict> keep forgeting sudo lol
<inphlict> thnx
<xenonite> np
<inphlict> thanks worked well
<xenonite> no problem ;-)
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  the question is does it worth it ? ("gnomebaker")
<TheAngryPenguin> anyone know of a good Wi-Fi access point browser?
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, I think you will be very happy with graveman :)
<inphlict> can I make directories with spaces in linux?
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  okay man thanks :)
<inphlict> does anyone know
<inphlict> if I'm allowed to have spaces in directories?
<mjr> yes you are
<inphlict> k
<JDahl> inphlict, yes, but then you need to use quotations, e.g. cd "my dir with spaces"
<Blissex> inphlict: but it is not a good idea
<inphlict> I see
<Blissex> inphlict: using spaces in any file/directory names in UNIX/Linux is not a good idea
<xenonite> inphlict, write a \ in front of the space
<mjr> a matter of taste really
<Blissex> inphlict: use underscores instead of spaces, or dashes.
<ian_brasil> anyone working (or know someone working) on translating the unofficial guide into portuguese??
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah !!! graveman is grate !!! just the thingy i was looking for !!! thanks
<inphlict> alright I will
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, :)
* mjr uses spaces
<declan> I've never used this x-chat thing before, so I hope it's ok to just throw a question out there.  Is there an easy way to shift my /home directory into a new partition.  Do I simply create the partition, and then copy the contents into it. How do I make sure that the partition is mounted as /home?
<Blissex> people who uses spaces in filenames are begging for trouble with shell scripts and so on
<eryco> hey people i see ubuntu has made the top downloaded distro @ distrowatch
<xenonite> inphlict, i use spaces very often, it is a matter of taste
<Blissex> declan: what you say is mostly ok.
<jmki> declan: copying is fine.. use cp -a to make sure all the permissions and stuff is fine
<LinuxJones> eryco, for good reason :P
<declan> Even the hidden files will move?
<jmki> declan: and to mount your new partition to /home edit /etc/fstab
<mjr> Blissex, only if they are into buggy scripting
<shmoolik> i want to ask anouther small thingy :) is there any download program like FlashGet ?
<eryco> am now on a redhat box and an ubuntu cd ready for install so how difficult is the install
<Blissex> mjr: there are zillions of buggy scripts unfortunately...
<jmki> declan: for example if your partition is /dev/hdb1 then add line like: /dev/hdb1   /home    ext3  defaults 0 0
<xenonite> eryco, do you want to preserve your dat?
<xenonite> a
<jmki> declan: with ext3 being what ever is the partitions filesystem
<declan> It's strange that the Warty default didn't give you a separate /home partition.  What is the reasoning behind that, does anyone know?
<eryco> my dat?
<Blissex> mjr: it is just begging for trouble and complications... Of course one can make it work, it is just not worth the additional trouble,
<mjr> Blissex, good for me none of them have caused trouble on my home system, then
<jmki> declan: why should it give? normal desktop users don't get much out of separate /home directory
<Blissex> mjr: then _you_ explain to n00bs how to use '-print0' and '-0' on 'find'/'xargs' or whatever...
<usual> what version of fontconfig is borked in hoary?
<jmki> declan: and powerusers know howto change the partitioning themselves
<mjr> declan, extraneous partitions on a desktop system just increase complexity and decrease flexibility
<declan> It's just handier if you upgrade from scratch.  Is it not?
<inphlict> How do I get my mounts to appear on my desktop?
<eryco> xenonite: what is my dat? damn acronymns
<inphlict> I made 2
<inphlict> but only 1 appears?
<jmki> declan: well, that's true
<declan> I now have hoary, but when it is released properly it might be nice to reinstall from there.
<inphlict> Does anyone know?
<inphlict> I made 2 mounts in media of my windows drives
<inphlict> and only 1 appears on desktop
<xenonite> sorry for the type, eryco
<xenonite> data
<inphlict> Does anyone know?
<inphlict> It must be something minor
<inphlict> I can't get one of the mounts to appear on desktop
<^thehatsrule^> nice this font is cool
<inphlict> also how can I rename files on desktop
<xenonite> ^thehatsrule^, which font?
<inphlict> yeah which font are u using?
<^thehatsrule^> lol.. just looks funny
<inphlict> the stable release runs much better
<declan> Right, thanks for your help peoples.  Good luck!
<^thehatsrule^> OCR extended
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<ian_brasil> cool..we get on with the translation ...anyone interested in helping so to #ubuntu-br
<SeeleyUSMC> Let me get this right...Ubuntu has support for wireless cards?  So my Atheros abg card in my laptop should work fine from the get-go?
<f00fbug> SeeleyUSMC, perhaps
<f00fbug> if ! there is always ndiswrapper
<LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
<mjr> SeeleyUSMC, atheros are supported with the restricted modules packages
<mjr> (perhaps not on all architectures, I don't know)
<inphlict> hmm
<inphlict> Is there any themes for text colors you could download for xchat
<raydogg_> where are the names of printer devices stored so i can share it via samba ?
<djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: ok, i'm back. i got nvidia to run again, and here's what i did: installed linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686-smp, THEN ran nvidia-glx-setup enable
<djst> appearantly, nvidia kernel doesn't work with just any linux image
<LinuxJones> djst, great :)
<djst> from the description of the restricted packages: "Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP
<djst> This package provides restricted modules for Linux version 2.6.10 on
<djst> Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium IV with SMP support."
<Ephemeral> how do i get KUBUNTU?
<djst> "Currently the following modules are included: [...]  nvidia [...]  These modules are "restricted" because they are not available under a completely Free licence."
<Quest-Master> Ephermal: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<Quest-Master> Ephermal: You need Hoary though
<Ephemeral> ah
<Ephemeral> whats Hoary?
<djst> Jesterace: so you don't need the cd, you just need the "restricted" package for your kernelm which doesn't exist for all kernel images
<Ephemeral> testing?
<Quest-Master> The next version of Hoary
<Quest-Master> It's at Preview Release
<Quest-Master> I am using it right now
<declan_> He means the next version of Ubuntu, I think
<Ephemeral> Quest, how do i find out what ive got?
<Quest-Master> It's just as stable as Warty for me.
<Quest-Master> declan_: My bad, yes.
<djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: thanks both for your help! i now understand this a bit better, i think
<Quest-Master> Ephermal: You most likely have Warty
<dodger> for me, too
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, cat /etc/issue
<Ephemeral> david@ubuntu:~ $ cat /etc/issue
<Ephemeral> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
<Ephemeral> hmm, how do i get Hoary?
<Ephemeral> ive got universe added
<Ephemeral> if that helps?
<thenuke> Ephemeral: you should about always check the wiki for help first :)
<thenuke> and then ask irc
<LinuxJones> djst, :)
<davix> how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again)
<dodger> you have to make a dist upgrade. i guess you'll find some info in the wiki
<declan_> I went to synaptic, repositories, changed the word "warty" for "hoary", then chose Smart Upgade, and waited for an age.
<declan_> It worked a dream
<BigIslandVegan> Any body know to access bluetooth admin / setup stuff on ubuntu ppc?
<BigIslandVegan> hoary
<Ephemeral> hmm looks like all i do is change the repositories?
<ian> using a fresh 4.10 install on a thinkpad here and the right alt key shows up as a special key "Alt_R" in Keyboard Shortcuts preferences dialog.  so you can't do Alt-A because hitting Alt sets it to "Alt_R".  It also screws up desktop switching using Ctrl-Alt-arrows.  (All of this applies only to the right alt key, the left one works fine)
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
<declan_> That's what I did.  Change all the "warty" for "hoary" and upgrade.  It takes time, though
<dodger> that's how i did it, too. works like a charm.
<ian> declan_: how long?
<dodger> about 1.5 hrs.
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  i must say that gnomebaker is much better then graveman .... i had some problems with graveman...
<declan_> Something like that.
<declan_> I did the upgrade to see if I could get the sound to work.  It did.  If there's no reason to upgrade, then why risk it.  But it solved my sound problem, so it was worth it.
<Ephemeral> LinuxJones, im confused, it says Hoary has been released
<Ephemeral> so why didnt Warty auto upgrade to Hoary?
<Ephemeral> ah my mistake
<inc> sup channel
<Ephemeral> NOT released
<Ephemeral> :S
<ian> Ephemeral: some words are extra-important :)
<Ephemeral> hehe
<Ephemeral> im tired :/
<[FiDO] > has anyone tried to get lirc working with their tv card remotes
<davix> how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again)
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, it's not officialy released till April 5th or 6th it's a Preview Release
<Ephemeral> ian is it safe to do a smart upgrade,ive changed all sources to Hoary
<inc> any familiar with tape drives?
<Ephemeral> ?
<^thehatsrule^> ooo tape drives
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, yes use smart for the upgrade
<^thehatsrule^> for win95, yes :P
<inc> ^thehatsrule^: lol winows
<inc> more evil inside
<inc> i ran this tar cvf /dev/hdd /home
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, by clicking smart it's like doing apt-get dist-upgrade, It automatically upgrades you to Hoary and downloads any additional packages required by the upgrade
<inc> and get this tar: /dev/hdd: Wrote only 8192 of 10240 bytes
<inc> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
<Ephemeral> Ok thanks
<Ephemeral> Im running the 64-bit distro, looks like the original CD i used to nstall was ancient, hopefully i'll get a new ISO on 5th/6th
<Ephemeral> the Hoary 64
<HrdwrBoB> Ephemeral: warty is still the current stable release
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you will be upgraded to more recent packages long before the cd arrives :)
<Ephemeral> ah
<^thehatsrule^> how long is that long?
<^thehatsrule^> a week? :/
<Ephemeral> out of interest is there any area for users to suggest packages?
<LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, Hoary get's released early April the cd's will probably go out within a few weeks-a month past that
<Ephemeral> to be included on the main CD
<drspin> anyond used the loopback method for writing to NTFS partitions????????
<^thehatsrule^> ah guess thats alright
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you can request packages but the 700 meg cd limit is getting close to full :)
<chickenman> i better be going to bed it's almost midnight :P see you later people
<^thehatsrule^> im in no hurry to upgrade
<Ephemeral> the one i'd suggest is FLAC decoder/plugin by default...
<Ephemeral> very minor thing though
<Ephemeral> the only thing i cant do in Ubuntu is 3d acceleration, which is ATIs fault
<Ephemeral> :@
<Ephemeral> i need an Nvidia card
<^thehatsrule^> which card?
<Ephemeral> 9800Pro
<^thehatsrule^> oo nice!
<^thehatsrule^> and what did you try?
* ^thehatsrule^ just wants to know for reference
<LinuxJones> Ephemeral, that card is supported in Hoary I think
<Ephemeral> i cant remember what version i tried but i gave up
<Ephemeral> i heard the performance was awful anyway
<Ephemeral> you need an Nvidia card to play games
<^thehatsrule^> no... if i could get it working on old cards on different linuxes..
<^thehatsrule^> then it should be the same for ubuntu no?
<LinuxJones> ATI have great hardware but their drivers have always sucked
<Ephemeral> im using the 64bit distro as well though
<Ephemeral> so i would need 64 bit ATI drivers?
<LinuxJones> ohh
<^thehatsrule^> nah, the catalyst drivers rocked for radeons
<tsaphah> so.. I've been hearing a lot about ubuntu lately..how is it for exisiting packages/ package control?
<ells> LinuxJones,  agree, ATI good company bad drivers
<LinuxJones> ells, yeah
<Somazx> I'm finding two installs of ubuntu won't allow Zend Studio to do sftp to them when I can ssh in just fine using the same account info. My guess is some option in the config file is preventing Zend from loggin in. Any gueses as to what that would be?
<ells> I use to use an ATI Rage 128. always had issues
<LinuxJones> ells, I msut have applied for 25 jobs with them neve even got a phone call ;P
<LinuxJones> *never
<Ephemeral> best distro out there tsaphah, this coming from a newish user... ive tried a lot, and only Ubuntu and Mandrake gave me lasting immpressions
<^thehatsrule^> lol, i have ati rage pro turbo's
<ells> LinuxJones, figures
<^thehatsrule^> its fine for me
<drspin> funny -- I got a call from intel this morning -- and I just started a new job at 2wire http://www.2wire.com
<ells> thehatsrule: maybe they are better. have not been impressed with them in windows or linux, for me
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, Ubuntu is built on Debian Unstable so packages are very recent and package management is awesome with apt
<^thehatsrule^> hm... i got 3 of these similar cards, all 8mb agp 2x
<^thehatsrule^> dont use them much tho, anymore
<tsaphah> nods, is it more stable than debian unstable?  Last time I tried it on this sytem I had all sorts of problems.
<geneo93> hoary seems pretty damn stable to me
<^thehatsrule^> heh
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, Ubuntu is not even a year old and it's already probably the best distro round IMHO
<^thehatsrule^> i just dl'd v4...
<Somazx> nm figured it out
<^thehatsrule^> seriously?!
<^thehatsrule^> wow, id thought itd be here longer
<RUF> Calaboongaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<LinuxJones> RUF, you joined jsut to say that :)
<RUF> YEAH, lol
<LinuxJones> RUF, thanks !!
<eurojovi> Ubuntu 5.04...got xine & codecs using ubuntuguide.org.  Xine plays most files....but some ASF/WMV files' audio is messed up.  Anyone have any ideas?
<tsaphah> LinuxJones: Well, bandwidth is cheap.  I'll give it a try.  I've been wanting something that is clean, fast, "just works", etc.  You know that "perfect" system that doesn't exist ;)
<Ephemeral> btw General observation, everytime i upgrade my Ubuntu.. it annihilates my Grub Menu.lst... anyway of stopping this?
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, what are you running now ?
<memcmeme> hello
<RUF> I wanna know anybody
<treke> Ephemeral: You need to make your changes a bit differently
<Ephemeral> hmm?
<netmonk> hello! is there a program that could scale a number of images lets say from 48x48 to 24x24?
<tsaphah> Right now only XP.  Last linux distro I had was Suse 9.2 Pro and before that FreeBSD.  I liked FreeBSD the best, just was as intuitive as most linux distros
<treke> Ephemeral: the packages regenerate the menu.list files based on the template information commented out at the top of the file
<tsaphah> LinuxJones: I played wiht mandrake back in the early 9.x days. Redhat back at 6, Gentoo, Slackware, Debian.  Made the rounds you could say.
<LinuxJones> netmonk, you can do it form the command line I know but as for gui I am not sure. I am sure that functionality is available in some app.
<netmonk> linuxboy, where can I check for this command. forget the gui ;)
<treke> Ephemeral: so any changes you make need to be outside the ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST and ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST block
<eurojovi> Ubuntu 5.04...got xine & codecs using ubuntuguide.org.  Xine plays most files....but some ASF/WMV files' audio is messed up.  Anyone have any ideas?
<netmonk> LinuxJones, where can I check for this command. forget the gui ;)
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, well as for rpm based distros like Mandrake/Redhat/SuSe Ubuntu is far snappier. Gentoo and Slack are about on par ofr usability. It doesn't come with all of the Graphical Configuratuion stuff that mdk/rh or suse have.
<LinuxJones> netmonk, you would have to search google it was like 3 years ago I needed to do it and can't remember :(
<Ephemeral> treke: ?
<Ephemeral> treke: my normal entries start after ## End Default Options ##
<tsaphah> LinuxJones: That's alright. As long as there are decent docs' like with Freebsd. I'm not scared of the terminal.
<treke> Ephemeral: regarding menu.lst regnerating
<Ephemeral> treke: thats the bit i'll lose
<declan_> Eurojovi reminded me: depending on whether I use Totem, or Mplayer, or Kaffeine, I get different results.  None are completely satisfactory.  Is the fact that I'm getting a halting playback on DVDs fixable? It seems as though I was getting the clearest picture with mplayer, is that possible?
<treke> Ephemeral: right, that block gets rewritten every time
<HrdwrBoB> declan_: there is also totem-xine and totem-gstreamer
<treke> Ephemeral: if you look farther up and farther down there are other block markers
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, you will have no problems at all with Ubuntu, it does have it's own way of doing certain things. www.ubuntuguide.org is a great resource for common things :)
<Ephemeral> treke: theres nothing below that
<declan_> HrdwrBob: will they offer better performance?
<Ephemeral> treke: some comments above
<treke> Ephemeral: search the file for "AUTOMAGIC"
<Quest-Master> eurojovi: Tried VLC?
<ells> LinuxJones, I download the hoary preview and did a dry run with it. It is gonna work on my desktop that has debian on it. I guess for whatever reason, warty did not work with my desktop
<eurojovi> ummm...guess not.  What's VLC?
<ells> LinuxJones, I am gonna back my data up
<Quest-Master> eurojovi: apt-cache for it and then install. :D
<odie5533> www.videolan.org
<LinuxJones> ells, great, I guess the devs are working their butts off :)
<geneo93> i see fontcofig was fixed intodays updates
<sirukin> hmm
<tsaphah> LinuxJones: K, I'll take a look there. Thanks
<gfxstyler> MUAHAHAHAHAHAA
<Ephemeral> trek: ok, i see the first use of that word
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, have fun :)
<eurojovi> mk
<Ephemeral> trek: # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST
<gfxstyler> WTF :D
<gfxstyler> i love u guys
<gfxstyler> i love u all :D
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<treke> Ephemeral: do you see the commented line that says ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ?
<LinuxJones> gfxstyler, lol
<gfxstyler> 3d acceleration is finally working
<tsaphah> I will. Oh, can you point me to a resource that talks about the diff's between Ubuntu and other deb based distro's?
<HrdwrBoB> declan_: totem-xine generally works best currently, afaik
<ells> LInuxJones, I like ubuntu way better than debian
<Ephemeral> Yes
<odie5533> Who maintains the packages in the universe and multiverse?
<declan_> I'll try it then.  Thanks.
<HrdwrBoB> odie5533: masters of the universe
<gfxstyler> omg i cannot believe it the 3d really works o_O
<treke> Ephemeral: above that line you should be able to make changes and they wont be overwritten
<HrdwrBoB> ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
<treke> Ephemeral: then the last line in the file should say ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST. You can write to the file after that line
<Ephemeral> treke: ok currently that space is blank
<memcmeme> Why Doesn't windows allow you to use the KDE desktop
<memcmeme> ?
<Ephemeral> treke: yes thats right
<icebalm> memcmeme: you're joking right?
<memcmeme> This is about six billion times more efficient than XP's or even Aqua
<memcmeme> I am new to Ubuntu
<Quest-Master> memcmeme: Windows isn't open source. :P
<memcmeme> and I am amazed at this dektop
<mitch__> memcmeme: actually, this is possible
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, well the ubuntulinux.org has some stuff. Basically Ubuntu has regular release cycles (6 months), 18 month support per release, next-day release of Gnome/KDE and great irc channel :D
<treke> Ephemeral: Is that last line missing? Or is writing to the file outside of it still being overwritten?
* djst will start writing on the ubuntu review soon
<icebalm> memcmeme: hrmm, default ubuntu is gnome
<Quest-Master> Yeag
<Quest-Master> *Yeah
<memcmeme> I am using kubuntu desktop
<memcmeme> I like it better
<Quest-Master> They have KDE built with Cygwin for Windows
<Quest-Master> It's very buggy though
<icebalm> memcmeme: ahh I see
<Quest-Master> Slow as well
<memcmeme> its great
<Pawnomatic> Does anyone know why i would get two errors after Gnome starts....? One that is untitled saying "You must be the superuser (root) to configure GDM." (ok)......... and the other titled "Error" saying "Missing command to run." (close)....any help would be great because i am fairly new at this
<Ephemeral> treke: i wont know 'til the upgrade to Hoary tries to overwrite the file
<HrdwrBoB> and entirely pointless
<Ephemeral> treke: still downloading updates
<memcmeme> I can't get over how many packages there are for Linux
<tsaphah> LinuxJones: *smiles* alright. thanks again for your time.
<treke> Ephemeral:  you can simulate it by running /sbin/update-grub
<lunitik> Quest-Master: with Qt/win32 being GPL now... its just not smart to use Cygwin for KDE apps on Windows any more imo
<BigIslandVegan> Any bluetooth specialists?
<Quest-Master> Qt for Win32 is GPL now?
<HillTop> memcmeme: There is talk of porting KDE to Windows, as an appliication I suppose.
<Ephemeral> treke: its just 4 lines i need to add or so
<Quest-Master> When'd that happen?
<lunitik> Quest-Master: yes... like a month ago
<Quest-Master> I'm behind.
<Quest-Master> :P
<HrdwrBoB> if you want to run KDE... why not just run linux
<memcmeme> I think you ought to be able to totally replace the windows XP WM with KDE
<Ephemeral> treke: so i might leave it, and edit it manualy after upgrade
<memcmeme> that would be better
<treke> did they ever release QT3?
<Ephemeral> treke: as usual...
<memcmeme> but I don't think it will effect me
<treke> I thought it was just qt4 that would be gpl on windows
<lunitik> treke: umm... yes
<memcmeme> I don't forsee using Windows again on my home desktop
<rvalles> hi
<memcmeme> this is just so much more efficient
<rvalles> let's suppose I have gcc 3.3.x and gcc 3.4.x installed
<rvalles> how do I switch between them, on ubuntu?
<eurojovi> Quest-Master:  VLC worked! Thanks!
<LinuxJones> rvalles, CC=gcc3.x I think
<^thehatsrule^> when you compile, you can specify
<lunitik> HrdwrBoB: There is rumors they are gonna port entire KDE to Windows so you can use it instead of explorer.exe ... would allow those that use Windows for games to use KDE and not reboot...
<icebalm> rvalles: the higher version one will probably be gcc, the other probably gcc33
<mitch__> memcmeme:  you should try litestep for windows. :)
<Quest-Master> eurojovi: No problem. :)
<^thehatsrule^> heh litestep's alright
<rvalles> icebalm: problem is that it isn't :O
<^thehatsrule^> nothings like fluxbox or the like
<mitch__> :)
<icebalm> rvalles: ok so what does gcc -v say?
<geneo93> rvalles:  remove the older one then
<rvalles> icebalm: in gentoo, there's a gcc-config thing which can be used to repoint all gcc commands to the prefered version, of those installed...
<rvalles> geneo93: Ok, I can do that, but I thought it would be nice to keep both
<icebalm> rvalles: yeah well ubuntu is a binary distrib, install packages
<rvalles> geneo93: 3.3.x builds far more stuff than 3.4...
<geneo93> true
* gfxstyler is gonna install a few 3d apps now since he can actually really run them MUAHA, see u 
<xenonite> gn8
<MeHere> hi gues
<MeHere> guys*
<LinuxJones> MeHere, hi
<MeHere> umm I'm a bit new to linux
<geneo93> Starting Azureus...
<MeHere> i installed both gnome and kde
<geneo93> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
<geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = gij] 
<geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
<geneo93> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/
<geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java =Error] 
<geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
<MeHere> but can't bring kde up
<MeHere> what should i do
<geneo93> any ideas
<LinuxJones> MeHere, it installed ok ?
<MeHere> yeah
<MeHere> everything installed
<tyler> Hola peeps. ANyone on Hoary?
<MeHere> i think i have to bring it up at first before coming into gnome right
<geneo93> me is
<shmoolik> yeah
<LinuxJones> MeHere, iok in the gdm login screen (where you type you username/password0 under session select kde
<tyler> gene, anyprops with mp3 playback and the mozilla mplayer pug in
<MeHere> it doesn't show any session
<rvalles> well
<rvalles> after removing gcc
<rvalles> (while keeping gcc-3.4)
<geneo93> no
<MeHere> it only user name and then password
<MeHere> no session comes up
<rvalles> gcc --versions now throws a nice-nice "command not found"
<MeHere> i had suse linux before
<LinuxJones> MeHere, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
<MeHere> that had it
<rvalles> horror!
<IRCFrEAK> ...
<IRCFrEAK> im an ircfreak it seems
<LinuxJones> MeHere, sorry kubuntu-desktop
<IRCFrEAK> interesting
<rvalles> I want my gcc --version to work and return "3.4.3", the version I want to use
<rvalles> is that even possible? :(
<geneo93> rvalles:  did you specify
<LinuxJones> rvalles, yeah gimme a sec
<MeHere> ok it's says this
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
<MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages
<MeHere> Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [102B] 
<MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Packages
<MeHere> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [108B] 
<MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Sources
<MeHere> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [104B] 
<MeHere> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Sources
<MeHere> Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [110B] 
<shmoolik> ?
<MeHere> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
<MeHere> Fetched 424B in 3s (126B/s)
<MeHere> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
<MeHere> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
<MeHere> why does it say so?
<MeHere> Jones?
<geneo93> MeHere did you use sudo
<shmoolik> dude y have y flooded?
<MeHere> yes
<MeHere> i even entered my password
<geneo93> MeHere:  are you trying to update
<MeHere> yeah
<LinuxJones> rvalles, export CC=gcc32 as an example
<MeHere> i'm trying to get kde to work
<tyler> Mm. I should reinstall the codecs or something'
<geneo93> ok do this first sudo apt-get -f install
<MeHere> i don't get any sessions at the login time
<e-motion> does anyone have an idea, when an install hangs at the beginning. acpi=off helps a bit , but still hangs after a while
<helio1> Does anyone currently have their Ubuntu system set up to print via a Windows machine? I'm trying to get this classroom computer printing to a Windows Networked printer and can't get the settings right, nor can I find them via google...
<LinuxJones> MeHere, it should add it for you
<geneo93> MeHere:  then you didn't get kubuntu-desk
<MeHere> umm i did this sudo apt-get -f install
<geneo93> or kdm
<MeHere> it didn't update anything
<geneo93> what did it say
<MeHere> i just installed ubuntu
<LinuxJones> MeHere, try geneo93 's syggestion of installing kdm
<dabi> cant install finnish language to ubuntu :S i have the packages installed but when i select finnish in gdm it says fi_FI utf 8 not found
<MeHere> it updated everything while installing i think
<MeHere> what was that packages name again
<LinuxJones> MeHere, apt-get install kdm
<MeHere> kubuntu-desktop?
<geneo93> MeHere:  that would up date all things
<LinuxJones> MeHere, sorry yeah
<dabi> ...
<ani> hey
<ani> does anyone know how i might be able to get sound working?
<geneo93> crimsun:  can prolly help u best
<MeHere> E: Couldn't find package kdm
<rvalles> LinuxJones: no,
<geneo93> ok try kubuntu-desktop
<rvalles> LinuxJones: there isn't a gcc :(
<rvalles> LinuxJones: command not found no matter the CC, so I guess there isn't a wrapper, there isn't anything at all
<LinuxJones> rvalles, you installed build-essential ?
<MeHere> it can't open
<MeHere> hold on brb
<MeHere> gonna restart
<farruinn> dabi: what packages have you installed already
<girls> ghi
<dabi> huuuh.. many...
<girls> hi
<icebalm> y0
<farruinn> dabi: try installing language-support-fi to be sure
<dabi> farruinn: i have..
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<icebalm> girls: shut the fuck up
<farruinn> hello, we see you
<girls> hi
<girls> fuck you
<e-motion> is there a posibility to install ubuntu from the LIVE CD ?
<rvalles> LinuxJones: ic.
<gratuit> has anyone here tried out usplash? I'm having trouble finding one of it's dependancies to build it, specifically lib++dfb I think
<LinuxJones> girls,  please leave !!
<suifur> girls: once is enough ya fucktard
<dabi> farruinn: i have language-pack-fi, language-pack-fi-base, language-support-fi
<MeHere> ok still doesn't give me any sessions
<girls> hi
<girls> ihih
<girls> hi
<girls> hih
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<girls> hi
<LinuxJones> MeHere, I would join #kubuntu and ask if others have the same problem
<girls> hi
<icebalm> girls: what the hell is your problem?
<girls> hi
<MeHere> girls: please stop saying hi
<girls> hi
<Dakko> No kidding
<girls> hi
<dabi> farruinn: i installed ubuntu (hoary) in finnish and worked.. but now after updating it changed back to english
<LinuxJones> troll
<girls> hi
<suifur> girls: shut the fuckin hell up and go the fuck away
<helio1> moderators can ban people; please keep the tone polite
<girls> hi
<MeHere> ok
<girls> hi
<MeHere> thanks
<girls> hih
<gratuit> ah, the simple joy of /ignore
<Dakko> Who can ban her? lol
<girls> ih
<girls> bye
<rvalles> LinuxJones: ok
<suifur> gah fine
<Dakko> That was odd.
<farruinn> dabi: what about language-pack-fi
<rvalles> LinuxJones: so the idea is that gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 are the gccs I have installed
<dabi> farruinn: installed
<rvalles> LinuxJones: and the "gcc" package itself is a "wrapper" or something
<medwards_> Is there a boot parameter I can use to modprobe ext3 before casper runs?
<dabi> farruinn: i also tried reinstalling these..
<rvalles> LinuxJones: but... how do I use the wrapper?
<rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess it honors "CC"
<ephemeral> woah, i just smoked my Warty, trying to get to Hoary
<rvalles> LinuxJones: but isn't there a command or something to handle all that?
<LinuxJones> mdz, jdub, you guys around ??
<mdz> LinuxJones: ?
<LinuxJones> rvalles, yeah CC is the variable that calls the correct gcc version
<MeHere> i couldn't find a channel named #kubuntu
<MeHere> where is it
<mdz> MeHere: it's there, /join #kubuntu
<geneo93> ephemeral:  can you finish update from terminal
<LinuxJones> mdz, sorry there was a spamming troll here a minute ago I was hoping you would kick :(
<MeHere> it's empty
<ephemeral> what?
<mdz> MeHere: there are 42 people there including me
<geneo93> MeHere:  /joinkubuntu
<ephemeral> geneo, i logged in and and everything was blank, except there was a terminal in the top left
<geneo93> space in there
<rvalles> LinuxJones: ok, how do I set it system-wide so that it resist boots and all
<rvalles> LinuxJones: or, in other words, how do I do it the ubuntu way?
<rvalles> LinuxJones: since I can do it the ugly way without much help
<geneo93> ephemeral:  thats good do a sudo apt-get dist update
<LinuxJones> rvalles, you should be able to set it in your users .bashrc file
<rvalles> LinuxJones: yeah, that would be an option
<ephemeral> oh? that was supposed to happen?
<e-motion> does anyone know possible ways to insdtall ubuntu from the Live CD
<geneo93> upgrade i mean
<shmoolik> can i make a sourt cut to a folder on my DeskTop?
<LinuxJones> e-motion, not that I know of :(
<Fackamato> How do I change the language in gnome?
<dabi> hmm any ideas how can i change my ubuntu language back to finnish? i downloaded the packages but when trying to change it from gdm it says fi_FI utf-8 not found and changes it to english
<P229> in array 7, changing the them while Synaptic is downloading updates causes Synaptic to exit/crash
<P229> the theme*
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, sure right click "create launcher" under type select directory
<dabi> hmm mayby ill go to forums
<e-motion> linuxJones: hmmm why does the Live CD Load perfectly then, and The install CD fails ... hmppf
<MeHere> shmoolik: you can make a launcher to browse that folder i think
<farruinn> dabi: I'm not sure I fully understand the new language pack system, but have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
<LinuxJones> e-motion, you have the same version for both ?
<tsaphah> Does the warty install detect that I have windows installed and provide an option to dual boot automatically or will I be needing to edit grub/lilo myself?
<LinuxJones> e-motion, you might have a warty install disk and Hoary live CD ?
<e-motion> LinuxJones: yes part of the install pack 4.10
<jharrison> are there any bugs in terms of font packages?
<farruinn> tsaphah: afaik you have to modify the grup config
<MeHere> LinuxJones
<rvalles> LinuxJones: CC=gcc34 gcc --version
<e-motion> LinuxJones: I installed the System from the Same disk on an other Hardware perfectly
<LinuxJones> tsaphah, it should find it but I would install the latest hoary version. It is going to be the stable version in 2 weeks
<MeHere> can we chat?
<rvalles> LinuxJones: still throws 3.3.4 :O
<rvalles> LinuxJones: what's the problem with "gcc"? (!)
<tsaphah> LinuxJones: *chuckles* k
<LinuxJones> rvalles, if you search google you will find the answer I am getting loaded atm and am going to be useless in about 1/2 hour :)
<rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess gcc doesn't honor CC at all
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  MeHere  hum .... for some  resone when i put the path on the crate luncher box and then i m trying to run the luncher  i get a message that the command can't b run
<rvalles> LinuxJones: after all...
<LinuxJones> e-motion, this system is newer ?
<P229> I wish distros would start rolling pktcdvd and udftools
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, what command ?
<shmoolik> "/media/phiczia/My Documents" fot e..g
<e-motion> LinuxJones: yes THIS system with the problem is a Dell Latitude 800 Notebook, the system where It worked as a test was a P3 500MHZ IBM
<shmoolik> "media/phiczia/My Documents" fot e..g
<nekrataal> hello
<regeya> alrright I give up...when I moved on to hoary, the trick I used to get my audio<->video sync working on mpeg2 output no longer works.  I GIVE UP.  it should not require research and a somewhat-good knowledge of how such video works to burn home movies to dvd. :-P
<P229> nekrataal, hi
<nekrataal> a little question...how can i add some launcher to the gnome menu on ubuntu hoary?
<farruinn> nekrataal: there is no built in way to do it yet
<LinuxJones> e-motion, the Hoary install cd has lots of bug fixes ans is much nicer compared to the Warty install cd. Are you able to download the latest Hoary install cd ?
<e-motion> LinuxJones: maybe its the Grub Loader which fails .. hm
<nekrataal> so i cant?
<e-motion> LinuxJones: yes .. no prob
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, to a directory ?
<farruinn> nekrataal: have have been a few people who have put together some tools to do it, one sec...
<e-motion> LinuxJones: is it Different to the 4.10
<dabi> oh kwl back in finnish ;)
<LinuxJones> e-motion, try that dude you might be ok but laptops can sometimes be problamatic
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah
<jharrison> when typing in passwords and such usually there are black circles in the password field as you type in the password but now there are squares with weird codes in them.
<jharrison> anyone know what the deal is with that?
<farruinn> nekrataal: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673 is one, I've added a couple of items to my menus, it seems to work
<shmoolik> nekrataal,  just "nautilus <section on menu>:///" and then create a luncher
<MeHere> guys how do i make my current user superuser?
<shmoolik> nekrataal,  don't for get to restart gnome
<[FiDO] > can anyone help me wih configuring lirc to work with my tv card
<e-motion> LinuxJones: ok Downlading wartyWardog and try .. thanks
<Blissex> MeHere: 'man su' or 'man sudo'
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, ok in the window give it a name, under Type select Directory from the dropdown list, click browse and locate the directy then click ok.
<farruinn> jharrison: that's completely normal for linux shell logins =)
<farruinn> shmoolik: hoary
<jharrison> farruinn: but this is system wide
<farruinn> jharrison: in gdm as well?
<Blissex> MeHere: those are the correct approaches.
<jharrison> farruinn: for example logging into gaim etc...
<geneo93> MeHere:  you dont want too
<DrunkenBug> can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
<LinuxJones> e-motion, you should download the Hoary installer :)
<LinuxJones> cd
<nekrataal> ok, thanks guys, ill check that out..
<farruinn> jharrison: do you have a non-standard font set as default?
<Zenum> hey, im having a problem with my wireless card, where as soon as I enable the restricted key with iwconfig my computer just slows down heaps, and the events/0 process uses 95% of my processor...
<ells> LinuxJones, I am talking to you via my hoary desktop, it worked
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  that what i have done =\
<Zenum> has anyone had this problem before?
<LinuxJones> ells, sweet :)
<P229> does the sound recorder work for anyone?
<e-motion> LinuxJones: ok @ Hoary
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, that's impossible :)
<ells> LinuxJones, just tweaking it now
<DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
<LinuxJones> ells, good stuff
<jharrison> farruinn: maybe
<P229> is it just me, or does the sound recorder not work at all?
<jharrison> farruinn: this is a friend of mine
<ells> LinuxJones, the hoary preview install seems very intuitive
<jharrison> farruinn: he does not speak that great of english
<ells> LinuxJones, as far as upgrades and such
<nictuku> is request-tracker3 dependencies broken in warty?
<LinuxJones> ells, it is very nice can't wait for the GUI installer mmmmm
<nictuku> *are
<tsume> hmm
<jharrison> farruinn: I will upload some screenshots to my website so you can see what we mean
<DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
<ells> LinuxJoes, easier than warty in my opinion
<tsume> who updates the debs for hoary?
<farruinn> jharrison: ok
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  i can show ya ... when i press browse i can't select a foder so i type it on the command section
<ells> LinuxJones, so far....time will tell ya know
<Zenum> has anyone had problems where wireless network slows down your computer when you put on encryption?
<farruinn> tsume: erm, the developers =)
<rvalles> hey
<tsume> and why is the OLD nvidia driver in the dev?
<rvalles> I have
<rvalles> - gcc
<rvalles> - gcc-3.4
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, why can't you browse to the folder ?
<ells> Zenum: not really, i run it on my laptop
<rvalles> I used to have, too
<rvalles> - gcc-3.3
<memcmeme> how d I make ubuntu let me log into a session as root?
<rvalles> removed gcc-3.3
<memcmeme> it wont let me
<farruinn> memcmeme: sudo -s
<rvalles> and now "gcc" throws a command not found
<jharrison> farruinn: http://linuxbs.org/public/screenshot1.png
<memcmeme> where?
<farruinn> memcmeme: oh, don't log into a graphical session as root, that's a bad idea
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  cuse when i do i must select a file to aprove the "ok" butten
<farruinn> memcmeme: it can really screw your system.  If you need to use nautilus as root I thin kthere's an option in the menu
<memcmeme> I need to use Konqeror as root
<geneo93> farruinn:  you have any idea on that java problem i have
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  the "open" butten
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, you have to select "directory" from the Type dropdown list
<DrunkenBug> hey, can anyone help me with why it isnt configuring my network at install?
<shmoolik> LinuxJones, thats the 1st thing i have done
<jharrison> farruinn: my friend uses the portuguese fonts and language
<farruinn> geneo93: sorry I don't remember what the problem was
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, you on warty ?
<farruinn> jharrison: checking it out...
<jharrison> farruinn: thanks
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  no i m hoary
<dabi> how can i run a command before gdm starts or at same time?
<memcmeme> does anyone know how to use konqueror as root?
<geneo93> farruinn:  i'll paste to you
<e-motion> LinuxJones:  is it that one you mean ?   hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso
<rvalles> I'm tired :(
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, something is messed up dude I can do it fine ?|?|
<rvalles> LinuxJones: I guess Ubuntu doesn't make sense after all
<LinuxJones> e-motion, yeah
<rvalles> I'm happy that I'm not the one using ubuntu, tho
<rvalles> (I run gentoo)
<e-motion> LinuxJones: ok thanks
<xigle1> a few days ago, I installed hoary preview. I added the right repositories and was able to install gstreamer, xmms, mplayer, xine etc. But now I reinstalled ubuntu and am getting a lot of error message when I try to install theese programs. Talking about all kinds of packages that's "not installable" and "have unmet dependencies". Any ideas?
<rvalles> I'm trying to help a friend who doesn't speak english
<shmoolik> hum.... okey then i think that i will just wait for the upgrade then LinuxJones
<rvalles> poor guy
<LinuxJones> e-motion, :)
<ells> rvalles, ubuntu works great for most
<DrunkenBug> hello,anyone know why it isnt configuring my network at install?
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, that's wierd it should work just fine
<farruinn> jharrison: if you're using sudo it won't show up.  I don't see in that screenshot where you're entering a password
<jharrison> farruinn: well it doesnt seem to be the password fields
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  donno ....  i m not such a newbe though i m a biggner and a very bad English specker =\
<jharrison> farruinn: it does I mean but the screenshots he sent is of other things
<rvalles> ells: I used to think so
<jharrison> farruinn: for example the buddy list on gaim
<farruinn> jharrison: hehe, I see :)
<rvalles> ells: but... if the "gcc" package is a wrapper
<ells> rvalles, i use it my desktop and laptop. works great with wireless
<jharrison> farruinn: http://linuxbs.org/public/screenshot2.png
<jharrison> farruinn: there is another one
<rvalles> ells: where is its documentation?
<xigle1> if no one have any ideas I guess I'll go to bed ... nite
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, so your right clicking on the desktop and selecting "Create Launcher" ?
<ells> rvalles, can tell a lie,  not sure
<jharrison> farruinn: bear with me as I am trying to figure out from him what the problem exactly is
<helio1> using the gnome-printer interface I'm using (smb://guest:@Langston_6/epson) to try and send jobs to a windows connected printer...error says it can't connect to samba host! help?
<rvalles> ells: how am I supposed to know how it does work, without documentation?
<jharrison> farruinn: I dont speak portuguese :)
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah :)
<farruinn> jharrison: heheh, neither do I so good luck =)
<rvalles> ells: not even in the website, gives me the creeps.
<ells> rvalles, which part are you asking about
<jharrison> farruinn: I might have found a translator
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, have you updated your system since installing ?
<rvalles> ells: "gcc" is a wrapper. I want to know how to set up this wrapper
<ells> rvalles, have you tried the unofficial site
<Blissex> rvalles: look for the 'spec' file for GCC.
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah today
<radiodurans> what would you use ubuntu instead of debian?
<rvalles> ells: see, I have gcc-3.4 installed. I used to have gcc-3.3 too, I've just removed it.
<radiodurans> what = why
<rvalles> ells: but "gcc" gives me a /usr/bin/gcc: command not found
<DrunkenBug> hello, anyone know why it isnt configuring my network at install?
<shmoolik>  LinuxJones  it fixed lots of problems i had ...
<rfauth> good evening
<rvalles> ells: gcc-3.4 exists.
<medwards_> xigle1: universe missing from your sources.list?
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, not quite enough :)
<ells> If the question cant be found in here, you can go to the unofficial ubuntu site. really awesome setup faq
<rvalles> ells: problem is... how do I make the ubuntu gcc wrapper see it?
<ells> rvalles, really not my strong point, sorry
<rvalles> it's simple stuff, I really don't get it
<rvalles> you people never use gcc at all?
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  yeah, it appers .... though i m quite happy with this disro
<ells> rvalles, you could send  a report through ubuntu on your issue
<Rocha> Hello, for the developers here...
<medwards_> Anyone run into hald timeouts when a USB stick was in during boot?
<Rocha> ...what graphical cvs tool do you recommend me?
<ells> rvalles, they are really responsive if it cannot be answered in here
<shmoolik> i didn't had any need to move back to windows and i don't think i will have a resone too LinuxJones
<treke> mdz: What is the update policy for the for the universe repository? The sources.list file says that there are no updates, but the package archive seems to have a section for them
<memcmeme> hello
<memcmeme> I am now in Gnome
<ells> Does anyone have answer that can help rvalles
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  though i do have problem with the sound on majesty =\
<memcmeme> where is the option to use the windows browser as root
<dabi> what do i have to do so numlock activates with gdm? i installed numlockx with synaptic but dont know how to activate it..
<inphlict> Hey how do I get avi files to play?
<memcmeme> I need to move some stuff around and the it keeps insisting I don't have permissions
<helio1> What does "Unable to Connect to Samba host" mean in a printer error?  I can browse the windows box fine via samba but NO printing no matter what I do....
<shmoolik> and Quake is not running =\\\\\\\
<rvalles> I also tried reinstalling "gcc-3.4"
<inphlict> Which codec do I need to install, someone help pls
<rvalles> but no luck
<ells> LinuxJones: can you help rvalles
<rvalles> it doesn't make "the wrapper" see it...
<ells> rvalles, we will get help
<mdz> treke: updates to universe, in the stable branch, are made on a volunteer/time-available basis
<treke> mdz: Ah thanks. That clears it up.
<inphlict> Does anyone know what i need to install to get avi files to work
<treke> Been trying to decide whether to go woody or ubuntu on a machine
<farruinn> rvalles: gcc is going to depend on gcc-3.3 thus it's going to symlink /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3...
<ells> all points bulletin, can anyone help with rvalles' issue
<jharrison> farruinn: ok
<inphlict> guys how the hell do I get avi files to work
<inphlict> pls
<memcmeme> this is drivin me nuts, I log out, it says i cannot login to Gnome as root, and but I want to move stuff around using the WM
<memcmeme> is there a way?
<ells> farruinn,  thanks man
<shmoolik> okay ppl i m off to bad
<rvalles> farruinn: :)
<shmoolik> nighty night
<shmoolik> LinuxJones,  thank man
<jharrison> farruinn: from what was translated it seems that when he enters text in a password field weird characters appear and also you can see these characters in the buddy list and the character map in the screenshots
<shmoolik>  
<jharrison> farruinn: seems to be some kind of localization problem
<rvalles> farruinn: /usr/bin/gcc doesn't exist
<rvalles> farruinn: as a link or as anything else; it just doesn't exist.
<dabi> what do i have to do so numlock activates with gdm? i installed numlockx with synaptic but dont know how to activate it..
<_mepis_lover> w32codecs
<_mepis_lover> apt-get install w32codecs
<LinuxJones> shmoolik, :)
<farruinn> jharrison: ooh, yes I see that
<tsume> so..
<treke> I suppose the ubuntu updates situation won't be nearly as bad as trying to deal with backports for woody :)
<Fackamato> rvalles: apt-get install build-essential
<tsume> are any developers here?
<Rocha> Does anyone know if mono 1.1.4 will be available for ubuntu hoary?
<jharrison> farruinn: any ideas
<_mepis_lover> what player inphlict
<tsume> to explain why the newer nvidia module isn't in the archive?
<rvalles> Fackamato: I have that installed, but not gcc-3.3
<rvalles> Fackamato: nor I want it, either.
<jharrison> farruinn: they are still talking in portuguese so I wait for more info translated to english
<audioslav> does anyone know if the kubuntu desktop has an applet like the software updates applet in hoary's gnome?
<inphlict> totem
<farruinn> jharrison: is this a fresh install of hoary or warty?  upgrade to hoary?
<inphlict> I installed w32codecs and another I forget the name
<inphlict> from the unoffical guide
<inphlict> I have universes on and all the other stuff
<LinuxJones> rvalles, you will get an answer in #ubuntu-devel
<inphlict> which codec do I need to play divx/avi
<rvalles> LinuxJones: I'll go check
<_mepis_lover> avifile-win32-plugin
<inphlict> okay i'll try it
<_mepis_lover> i dont know if thats it
<memcmeme> Is it even possible to log into Gnome as root?
<helio1> I'm pasting a SAMBA/print to windows error in #flood if anyone has a sec to decipher it for me I would be indebted...
<memcmeme> this is absurd
<farruinn> rvalles: you can make the symlink yourself
<inphlict> yeah it is mem
<inphlict> go read the forums
<audioslav> you have to enable root's login to do that memcmeme
<jharrison> farruinn: he copied over fonts from other linux installs to /usr/share/fonts/ttf
<memcmeme> how I looked on linuxforums and a lot of people were not able to
<memcmeme> but I did not find the answer
<inphlict> no such package ;/
<jharrison> farruinn: prob didn't alter xorg.conf plus ubuntu likes to use gnome referenced fonts aka ~.fonts folder
<rvalles> farruinn: it wont be useful
<slurpas> Hello! how do i disable my firewall?
<jharrison> farruinn: he needs to alter his X files to get fonts a working
<farruinn> jharrison: yeah,I was going to say he should have put them in ~/.fonts
<memcmeme> be right back
<thenuke> slurpas:  :o does ubuntu have firewall?
<jharrison> farruinn: ok I will relay the message
<_mepis_lover> apt-get install msttcorefonts
<thenuke> slurpas: at least warty did not have it when I installed it
<slurpas> thenuke.. i think so?
<farruinn> jharrison: ask him to use a different font
<farruinn> farruinn: like freesans or something
<jharrison> farruinn: ok
<slurpas> thenuke, ok... maby its something else.. but i cant connect to a program on my linux-comp.. i just reinstalled it and have configurated it as before..
<helio1> slurpas: / thenuke firestarter is one easy firewall you can install on warty, there is no firewall installed/enabled by default...  if you have firestarter, you can access it via the System configuration menu
<audioslav> does anyone else feel like all the new cool system config applets are in the gnome desktop and not in kubuntu?
<slurpas> but then i had fedora core 3 with firewall.. who i needed to disable to connect..
<jharrison> farruinn: he is using hoary preview 5.04
<slurpas> helio1, how?
<farruinn> rvalles: why not?
<farruinn> jharrison: if he is having the problem with default ubuntu fonts then it should be reported but if the problem is with user installed fonts then I'm not sure...
<jharrison> farruinn: ok
<helio1> I have firestarter on one Ubuntu system and it's configurable as menu item under Computer>System Configuration
<slurpas> oki thx :)
<Amaranth> rvalles: hey
<rvalles> Amaranth: hi
<helio1> If you didn't install a firewall, I suspect that's not the problem.
<rvalles> Amaranth: well, it's turning me crazy
<Amaranth> rvalles: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
<rvalles> Amaranth: I can do that, yeah
<jharrison> farruinn: appears to be user installed fonts
<memcmeme> ok
<rvalles> Amaranth: but that's definitivelly NOT the way.
<memcmeme> it didn't wok
<Amaranth> rvalles: yes it is
<jharrison> farruinn: so I dont think a bug report would be warrented
<memcmeme> work*
<rvalles> Amaranth: and I want to know the way; the ubuntu way, that is.
<Amaranth> rvalles: you removed gcc3.3, it removed the symlink
<memcmeme> I have never heard of a Linux distro that doesn't set up a root password by default
<rvalles> Amaranth: let's see a thing
<jharrison> farruinn: if ubuntu's bts is anything like debian anyways
<memcmeme> I dont een have one
<slurpas> okai! thx anyway.. need to chech my router also..
<memcmeme> even
<rvalles> Amaranth: why if I do a "kk" I get a bash: kk: command not found
<memcmeme> its just my normal password
<Amaranth> rvalles: because kk doesn't exist?
<rvalles> Amaranth: and if I do a gcc I get a bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No existe el fichero o el directorio
<memcmeme> it never asked me to create one
<audioslav> at the end of the day, is there any difference in installing warty and apting to hoary or installing hoary preview?
<rvalles> Amaranth: ?
<farruinn> jharrison: agreed
<Amaranth> rvalles: translation?
<rvalles> Amaranth: why does the error say /usr/bin/gcc?
<rvalles> Amaranth: translation is, file or dir doesn't exist
<farruinn> jharrison: the free* fonts have all the latin characters, he must have been using a font that wasn't complete
<Amaranth> because the symlink is there, gcc3.3 isn't
<Amaranth> sudo rm /usr/bin/gcc
<rvalles> Amaranth: but the symlink isn't
<Amaranth> then sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
<rvalles> Amaranth: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc gives a file not found
<Amaranth> rvalles: sounds like you seriously broke things
<Amaranth> rvalles: just create the symlink
<jharrison> farruinn: sounds right to me
<rvalles> Amaranth: I could, easily
<rvalles> Amaranth: yet...
<rvalles> Amaranth: I have an unanswered question
<rvalles> Amaranth: which is...
<Amaranth> rvalles: there is no "ubuntu way" when you intentionally break things
<Amaranth> rvalles: my answer is don't worry about it :P
<rvalles> Amaranth: why if I type "kk" I get that error
<rvalles> Amaranth: and if I type "gcc" I get that OTHER error, with the full path on it, even?
<helio1> If anyone has any experience with printing via SAMBA to Windows, please help; i'm after hours in a classroom that's not mine, helping someone else and very frustrated that I can't get a test page to print to a Windows connected printer from Ubuntu
<treke> rvalles: you get that error because kk is not in the path
<treke> gcc is apparantly in your path somewhere
<rvalles> treke: I thought that much
<treke> which `gcc` may tell you where
<Amaranth> rvalles: bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No such file or directory
<treke> which 'gcc'
<Amaranth> rvalles: i get that when the symlink exists but the thing it points to doesn't
<rvalles> treke: file or dir doesn't exist
<navreet> hi, what software should I use to burn .bin/cue files?
<rvalles> treke: doing which `gcc`
<treke> dont do that :
<treke> do which 'gcc'
<Amaranth> navreet: downloading movies, are we? :)
<rvalles> treke: I guess "which gcc"
<sirukin> cat filename >> /dev/cdrom0
<Amaranth> navreet: you need bin2iso
<sirukin> try it
* sirukin cackles
<rvalles> treke: the worst is that I'm doing this for a person who doesn't speak english
<rvalles> treke: I'm telling him which commands to type and all, he pastes me the results
<rvalles> treke: quite fun
<rvalles> treke: which gcc returns nothing :O
<dabi> how can i have numlock enabled when gdm boots? i have numlockx installed but dont know where to add the command :(
<navreet> Amaranth, any gui?
<farruinn> rvalles: why don't you ssh to his system? ;)
<Amaranth> navreet: not that i'm aware of
<rvalles> farruinn: I'll do that, eventually
<rvalles> farruinn: but I want to avoid doing that.
<treke> rvalles: if your taking what we say and translating it to him and translating his answer back, I suspect we'll never find a solution :)
<LinuxJones> dabi, gnome-sesssion-properties under startup programs
<treke> too many links in the chain
<helio1> navreet I think K3b will do it
<rvalles> farruinn: If I ssh and do everything... ;)
<rvalles> farruinn: the guy won't be able to do it himself ever.
<rvalles> farruinn: and I'll be working as an admin for him forever or till I grow tired
<rvalles> farruinn: I'm just trying to avoid that by not sshing into his box.
<dabi> LinuxJones: hmm mayby i should google first.. :P first hit from google: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16891 tseh.. ty anyway.. srry :P
<LinuxJones> dabi, :)
<gfxstyler> hey again :)
<ells> has anyone notices if one of the ubuntu sources is down
<gfxstyler> ells: really? i checked synaptic for 30 minutes and it didnt complain about any errors
<farruinn> LinuxJones: just having numlockx installed does it for me...
<farruinn> ells: I just updated fine, maybe it's your mirror
<rvalles> farruinn: my conclusion is that the different errors are probably linked to some sort of cache...
<rvalles> farruinn: which bash does internally have
<gfxstyler> is there another way of speeding up cdrom than hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom ?
<rvalles> I'll do some tests on that on my own box later; I just want to be sure.
<rvalles> (I have it when I don't have the absolute control :D)
<ells> something about http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-sceurity/restricted Sources not available
<rvalles> *hate
<helio1> oh well, THREE hours troublshooting samba printing to windows and I'm no closer than when I started... I guess I'm giving up for the day now;
<goodoldunclemike> ?..i set my network up with samba...i open up network servers...i can see the drive partition that i a shareing with windows...but it shows empty..so i did a share on each folder..and it still shows empty
<ells> faruinn: something about http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-sceurity/restricted Sources not available
<gfxstyler> & why does alsa not work when esd is running?
<farruinn> rvalles: :)
<LinuxJones> farruinn, I don't even have it installed, I was just trying to help someone else :D
<farruinn> LinuxJones: yeah, just an fyi if your here when he comes back
<geneo91> farruinn:  sorry i crashed this thing
<farruinn> geneo91: oh no :(
<geneo91> yep lost all my info
<geneo91> where did that point
<farruinn> ells: if you copy-pasted that it'd be because security isn't spelled correctly...
* gfxstyler is getting something to eat ->|away
<^thehatsrule^> may i ask which fs i should use to install to?
<farruinn> geneo91: sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/bin/java
<farruinn> geneo91: and sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java_vm /usr/bin/java_vm
<ells> naw, typed over from other computer
<geneo91> ln: `/usr/bin/java': File exists
<dabi> hmm i dont get it.. i see 243 updates available but after i install i still see 243.. :S rare..
<farruinn> ells: Hit ... hoary-security/restricted Sources
<geneo91> ln: `/usr/bin/java_vm': File exists  on both
<joh> Is it possible to cache all packages from a repository?
<farruinn> geneo91: I think that means the link already exists, check with ls -l /usr/bin/java_vm
<geneo91> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 33 2005-02-09 02:54 /usr/bin/java_vm -> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java_vm
<geneo91> leme see if i can irc azureus
<farruinn> ok, that's good =)
<geneo91> damn no such channel
<helio1> What's the command to restart cupsd??
<gremid> helio1, "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart"
<geneo91> ok got it
<helio1> ty gremid
<CarlK_> I am doing a net install, and it is prompting for "Choose a mirror of the Ubuntu archive" - any idea what the URL is?
<farruinn> geneo91: it's working?
<helio1> I'll be damned; 3 hours later the window printer finally responds; now I can go home exhausted but victorious instead of exhausted and bitter lmao
<jharrison> farruinn: got it fixed
<jharrison> farruinn: thanks for your help
<farruinn> jharrison: excellent, what was the solution?
<helio1> thanks for listening to me complain about it
<jharrison> farruinn: apparently he had transfered some windows fonts from an actual windows installation to ubuntu
<jharrison> farruinn: and that had ill effects
<farruinn> uh huh... :)
<jharrison> farruinn: not sure why anyone would want windows fonts in linux but ohw ell
<jharrison> farruinn: so he deleted the folder he had put them in and restarted X and it works fine now
<farruinn> ah, well at least they didn't overwrite any fonts
<navreet> hi, my computers starts acting slow (I think it's the IO) when I burn a CD... and I only burn at ~20x, when my burner is capable of 52x... I had PC3200 ram and an Opteron 148.. (it shouldn't be this slow)
<navreet> my mp3 playback slows down... and I get a lot of static from xmms (kinda like it's dropping stuff)
<Fackamato> jharrison: uh
<Fackamato> of course you need MS fonts
<Fackamato> some pages doesn't display proper otherwise.
<Fackamato> navreet: is everything accelerated? use native alsa, hardware mixing, hardware acceleration on the graphics card with DRI using agpgart of the build-in agp driver in the kernel module
<M_Fatih> hi all, i newly installed hoary
<Fackamato> uhu
<M_Fatih> i want to add mp3 support to rhythymbox, i searched in google this, i says, install gstreamer0.8-mad plug-in, but there isn't any packages like this.. no mad pachages..
<navreet> Fackamato, yep
<navreet> Fackamato, actually using nVidia stuff... but that's not the issue
<Fackamato> using nvidia's driver from nvidia.com ?
<farruinn> M_Fatih: you need to enable universe first
<Fackamato> you get 2000+fps in glxgears etc?
<Fackamato> navreet: what mainboard chipset
<navreet> Fackamato, ..and the video isn't slow.. I have cycles to spare, it's the IO
<M_Fatih> farruinn, how do i do it?
<geneo91> well that was useless
<navreet> Fackamato, it's not the graphics
<Fackamato> navreet: yes it is
<navreet> Fackamato, also 2000+ fps on glxgears doesn't mean anything
<Fackamato> you haven't even said what video output you use
<Fackamato> ..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
<Fackamato> of fucking course it means anything
<Fackamato> it means your glx acceleration works
<navreet> Fackamato, it's accelerated, trust me... I write a lot of graphics stuff
<M_Fatih> i don't know anything about ubuntu, only i liked & installed.. i didn't used debian or debian based distro.. only i used apt, too many time ago in suse..
<navreet> and watch your language
<Fackamato> well
<Fackamato> navreet: you don't want to get help
<farruinn> M_Fatih: sorry,  I wasn't in gnome atm
<CarlK_> net install is doing this and "failing" (guessing no output is the problem) wget -q http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu//dists/hoary/Release -O - | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2
<navreet> Fackamato, my asking for help doesn't give you an excuse you to start using profane language
<farruinn> M_Fatih: go to the System>Administration>Syanaptic Package Manager
<M_Fatih> hm. ok
<CarlK_> the wget does return the file (despite the //) but the grep doesnt return anyting
<M_Fatih> i try to do it in console..
<M_Fatih> why my sudo command sucks in root password
<farruinn> M_Fatih: oh, you don't want to use synaptic from console
<Fackamato> navreet: please
<Fackamato> grow up
<M_Fatih> i changed my root password but it returns wrong pass..
<Fackamato> you don't give any info on your problem, and you tell people to fuck off when they try to help you
<farruinn> M_Fatih: if you've set a root password you need to use su, not sudo
<navreet> Fackamato, First I did not use that language, only you do... second, I told you it wasn't the graphics, it's the IO
<DarthFrog> Or use your password, not the root password, with sudo.
<M_Fatih> i did it, i'm changing to user root with su command.. but sudo command sucks..
<farruinn> ok, that's fine...
<Fackamato> navreet: I don't care if it's the IO, you haven't said anything about what graphic card you have, what drivers you use, what chipset you have, if you're using oss or alsa, what vidoe output you use, if X is accelerated, what codec the video uses, what player you're playing it in
<brenden> the amd64 install torrent is broken
<farruinn> M_Fatih: you need to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list, there are two lines that are commented out, it tells you which lines to uncomment
<M_Fatih> hmm. looking..
<navreet> Fackamato, you are not even reading what I say... I am not even trying to play a video or anything
<navreet> Fackamato, I quote, "hi, my computers starts acting slow (I think it's the IO) when I burn a CD... and I only burn at ~20x, when my burner is capable of 52x... I had PC3200 ram and an Opteron 148.. (it shouldn't be this slow)"
<navreet> Fackamato, If I were watching a dvd in mplayer or something, I'd understand, but I am not doing that
<Fackamato> <navreet> Fackamato, ..and the video isn't slow.. I have cycles to spare, it's the IO
<farruinn> M_Fatih: something like 'su nano /etc/apt/sources.list' would work
<Fackamato> you still haven't answered my questions
<M_Fatih> i changed all "deb... " lines to uncommented..
<navreet> Fackamato, that's when you asked me about my graphics drivers... and I was referring to X refreshing
<farruinn> M_Fatih: ok, then as root run apt-get update
<DarthFrog> M_Fatih: Now do "apt-get update"
<navreet> Fackamato, I am done burning the data... I gotta go
<M_Fatih> i have a problem in "sudo". it not accept my root's password, why?
<geneo91> farruinn:  they tell me i need runtime going
<farruinn> M_Fatih: sudo uses your user password, su uses the root password
<M_Fatih> ahh :(
<farruinn> geneo91: as in jre?
<M_Fatih> haha i don't know it..
* farruinn really isn't a java expert
<geneo91> yes
<yyc747> have I been misinformed, or will hoary have KDE?
<DarthFrog> yyc747: I'm running it right now.
<geneo91> java console
<DarthFrog> yyc747: KDE 3.4
<DarthFrog> yyc747: It's nice and crunchy.
<farruinn> yyc747: there's even an install cd, link to preview release in /topic
<phas> Hi, i have a question.Ubuntu insists on startup to try to load garbage like hotplug or RAID support, when my pre-jurassic matherboards do not support them.How can I prevent these modules to be loaded on startup?
<yyc747> DarthFrog: ooooh... I'm on gentoo, so I think I'm going to wait on KDE 3.4 :)  but ubuntu could be my next distro of choice... and certainly will be my choice to convert people with
<yyc747> is it just kubuntu with kde?
<M_Fatih> E: Broken packages   ??
<farruinn> kde is to kubuntu as gnome is to ubuntu
<DarthFrog> yyc747: I really like Ubuntu.  I also have Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo and Linspire installed.  Kubuntu is going to be my desktop.
<^thehatsrule^> eek for kde
<^thehatsrule^> :)
<M_Fatih> how can i upgrade a spesific package?
<farruinn> M_Fatih: you probably just need to run 'apt-get upgrade'
<DarthFrog> M_Fatih: use Synaptic.
<apokryphos> M_Fatih: sudo apt-get install <certainpackage>
<farruinn> yeah, synaptic will make your life easy
<apokryphos> M_Fatih: sudo apt-get update first
<M_Fatih> DarthFrog, ok
<DarthFrog> apokryphos: You can do that from Synaptic.
<M_Fatih> apokryphos, i did it..
<username> in ubuntu, are there any screen-savers that consist of simply a clock?
<apokryphos> DarthFrog: I know. :)
<username> apart from the one called 'gltext (clock)' that is.
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<keffo> hm
<keffo> anyone knows about any xchat -> xmms script.. just easy, nothing more than displaying what song currently playing?
<M_Fatih> gstreamer0.8-mad:
<M_Fatih>  Depends: libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but it is not installable
<M_Fatih>  Depends: libmad0 (>=0.15.1b) but it is not installable
<^thehatsrule^> theres lots - just customize them?
<username> lots of clock screensavers? I can't find any.
<farruinn> lots of scripts I think
<^thehatsrule^> no i mean xchat xmms script
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<phas> Hi, i have a question.Ubuntu insists on startup to try to load garbage like hotplug or RAID support, when my pre-jurassic matherboards do not support them.How can I prevent these modules to be loaded on startup?
<^thehatsrule^> i guess using any FileSystem is like using which DE
<farruinn> phas: I think you need to look at update-rc.d, I don't know how to use it though so I can't walk you through it
<fgx> phas, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
<fgx> phas, just add the module you dont want to be loaded at boot
<johnf1911> isn't hotplug used to manage some non-hotplugable devices?
<M_Fatih> Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable                    i searched libid3tag package.. no package, how can i fix this error...
<M_Fatih> :-( ?
<farruinn> libid3tag0, the trailing 0 is part of the package name
<limaunion> having some troubles while upgrading to Hoary, apt-get update displays many errors while trying to fetch Packages.gz (404 Not found) any ideas what's going on ? I'm following the wiki steps...
<M_Fatih> farruinn, i tried this "libid3tag"
<M_Fatih> no package :(
<M_Fatih> id3tag
<apokryphos> limaunion: did you change all your sources.list?
<conner> M_Fatih: are you running warthog or hedgehog?
<farruinn> limaunion: get rid of any backports or hoary-updates repositories from your sources.list
<M_Fatih> conner, hoarty
<farruinn> M_Fatih: you're sure you've enabled universe? apt-get update had no problems?
<M_Fatih> no problems :(
<username> nothing I can do about the mountain of useless and ugly screensavers then, and no suitable clock one?
<conner> M_Fatih: you should be able to apt-get install libid3tag0
<ogra> M_Fatih, is your package list up to date ? libid3tag0 and libmad0 are in main....you should get them right away
<conner> M_Fatih: let me try it on mine
<limaunion> sure, I only have hoary references, three lines, taken from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<_mepis_lover> i see kubuntu 5.04 preview is available
<conner> M_Fatih: it worked for me. They appear to be in main. Try apt-get update first
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<apokryphos> limaunion: could you www.pastebin.com the error output?
<^thehatsrule^> _mepis_lover haha
<apokryphos> _mepis_lover: that's right :)
<M_Fatih> it says :
<M_Fatih> Package libid3tag0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<M_Fatih> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<M_Fatih> is only available from another source
<username> never mind.
<ogra> M_Fatih, did you fiddle with your sources.list ?
<lunitik> M_Fatih: you need to activate universe
<conner> M_Fatih: open a root terminal and type "apt-get update" then retry it.
<M_Fatih> i did it.. 1min.
<ogra> M_Fatih, looks like you disabled main
<farruinn> lunitik: not for libid3tag0
<_mepis_lover> thehatsrule: don't hate me 'cause I am from the wrong side of the tracks
<limaunion> apokryphos: thanks for your help, now I just left 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted' and it's ok.
<^thehatsrule^> im not hating ;p
<M_Fatih> http://pastebin.com/260017
<M_Fatih> look this..
<^thehatsrule^> its just funny, cause i just ditched mepis
<^thehatsrule^> for ubuntu
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<ogra> _mepis_lover, nah, we all love kubuntu ;) in fact there is array7 which is newer then preview
<apokryphos> limaunion: alrighty :)
<lunitik> farruinn: you sure thats not in universe? its from the mad folks...
<ogra> lunitik, its in main
<farruinn> lunitik: apt-cache show libid3tag0 | grep Section
<^thehatsrule^> no kubuntu cause of the K hehe
<limaunion> apokryphos: will see what's going on because I started with synaptic and now can't start gnome (after upgrading from Warty)
<ogra> lunitik, gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe though
<ells> has anyone besides me installed hoary preview edition
<lunitik> ogra: my bad then... heh
<farruinn> ells: I have
<^thehatsrule^> ells, tis fine?
<ells> farruinn, ,works god
<apokryphos> limaunion: you're on hoary now? Was the dist-upgrade successful?
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ install was easy, changed the sources
<conner> M_Fatih: add this "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted"
<farruinn> M_Fatih: you've disabled main man =), you've got to get rid of those #'s
<farruinn> conner: he has it, it's commented out
<^thehatsrule^> heh, well is it like... fine to use i mean as well ;p
<farruinn> M_Fatih: leave the lines with hoary-updates commented though
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ works good, the install seemed very intuitive
<conner> farruinn: he's in for one big download session.
<_mepis_lover> thehatsrule: i will keep a light on for 'ya
<M_Fatih> i'm tryin..
<^thehatsrule^> eek! but i want to install it using one of those nice cd's
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ warty would not work on my desktop, this one does
<^thehatsrule^> really?
<^thehatsrule^> why?
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ download and make your own, that is what I did
<^thehatsrule^> heh, its just that i downloaded the 2 v4 cds
<^thehatsrule^> today already
<limaunion> apokryphos: yes, my notebook was till 2 hours ago, I updated my /etc/apt/ and made the update via Synaptic, going to the 'upgrade' section or something like that and selected all of them (all went ok), next I restarted the system but now it seems that some packages were left, apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be taken care of that
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ okay, I hear ya
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ used cd rw
<ells> ^thehatsrule^to reuse if need be
<^thehatsrule^> yea, thats what i use ;p
<M_Fatih> i don't know anything about apt, debian.. i newly installed, sorry for newbie suck questions :) i have no time, i need install apache + php + mysql quickly.. sorry..
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ your good then
<delltony> quick question if i want to backup my /var/www into a tar with bzip2  isn't it tar c /var/www/* | bzip2 >mysite.tar.bz ?
<apokryphos> limaunion: in Terminal, try typing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<^thehatsrule^> designated linux cd - has currently held 3 os's before
<conner> M_Fatih: no problem. Once you get that line uncommented, you'll be up and running in.
<conner> M_Fatih: but you'll be downloading a LOT of updates the first time.
<farruinn> M_Fatih: synaptic will allow you to search and select those packages quickly
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ nice, ubuntu for me seems to be the most user friendly I have ever used
<M_Fatih> yes it works :)
<M_Fatih> thanks
<conner> M_Fatih: are you looking at Apache2 or Apache1.3?
<^thehatsrule^> lol, well im not sure which one to use still
<JDahl> I finally bit the bullet, and installed Ubuntu/Hoary instead of Debian/testing on my machine at work... It's absolutely amazing how everything works without any tweaking - now if only that was my home machine :P
<M_Fatih> i'm a gentoo user, i bored with compile everything..
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ I had debian on here before
<M_Fatih> i trien gnome 2.10 @ ubuntu live.. i like so much..
<ells> M-Fatih, welcome aboard
<M_Fatih> thanks :)
<limaunion> apokryphos: yes, I did that, now it's download mainly gstreamer packages and some others, don't now why Synaptic didn't updated those. fam is going to be removed, is that ok ?
<^thehatsrule^> heh - somehow everyone doesn't use the original debian?
<ells> ^thehatsrule^ I went to the irc line and those folks were rude
<ells> and immature
<apokryphos> limaunion: yes, that's fine. Go for it.
<conner> ^thehatsrule^: I use the original Debian on servers. It's rock solid and simple to update.
<^thehatsrule^> hm...
<limaunion> apokryphos: ok, thanks
<^thehatsrule^> the problem is all the os's
<^thehatsrule^> dont know WHICH one to stick with
<M_Fatih> conner, 2 or 1.3 no problem,, only i want php 4.3+ :)
<farruinn> M_Fatih: apt is a really great package management tool, you'll get the hang of it in no time
<^thehatsrule^> cause every one of them has its goods
<ogra> ^thehatsrule^, but only ubuntu has the ubuntu community ;)
<ells> this might sound funny, is there any kind of eq program out there
<conner> M_Fatih: you might want to stick with Apache1.3 then. You have to choose a specific branch of Apache2 for PHP to work securely.
<^thehatsrule^> equalizer?
<lunitik> ^thehatsrule^: most people are leaving Debian because of the bad release cycle... Ubuntu just makes more sense for the Desktop User...
<^thehatsrule^> heh, no offense, but im more to the software first :P
<M_Fatih> farruinn, yes i know, i used in suse so many times ago..
<farruinn> M_Fatih: ah, I see
<JDahl> lunitik, as a desktop user once you have Debian installed, you dont really need more releases... I chose Ubuntu over Debian because how nicely everything is configured
<ells> does anyone know a good equalizer program for rhythmbox
<^thehatsrule^> cant you use alsamix?
<ells> ahhh, never tried
<ells> guess I could
<^thehatsrule^> heh
<^thehatsrule^> if youre using KDE, use kmix?
<ells> is it already preinstalled doyou know
<^thehatsrule^> yes, if you have alsa prolly ;p
<^thehatsrule^> or, you could find/locate *mix*
<^thehatsrule^> hehe
<lunitik> JDahl: true enough... I used Debian for 4 years without ever reinstalling on one box... but for new users, thats not acceptable... and the stigma for using Unstable is not popular...
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<zenwhen> oops
<ogra> kittikittikitti
<farruinn> sticky key eh?
<^thehatsrule^> well if either if i like ubuntu... or not, my next ones are slack,debian, then gentoo
<DarthFrog> zenwhen: Geshundheit!
<^thehatsrule^> but now, debian seems not a good choice
<zenwhen> :'(
<^thehatsrule^> Geshundheit?
<zenwhen> he may have thought i had sneezed
<zenwhen> i think its a blessing
<drspin> qtparted says that my disk is mounted but it's not...
<^thehatsrule^> ah
<ogra> yup, german
<Fackamato> ,
<^thehatsrule^> reboot? :P
<drspin> what can i do?
<zenwhen> when in all actuality i really just let my head hit the keyboard
<^thehatsrule^> type df or mount to double check?
<drspin> ./dev/hda7             20160796  19119836     16840 100% /
<drspin> tmpfs                   257896         0    257896   0% /dev/shm
<fgx> here is my dmesg output after some beeps from my laptop: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000
<drspin> I'm trying to delete hda5 (NTFS) and resize my ext3
<fgx> what's that?
<elcuco> how is called the application for recording flash "videos"?
<limaunion> apokryphos: maybe you can help me, apt-get dist-upgrade finished ok, but I still can't start gdm, /etc/init.d/gdm start doesn't work (no errors, just nothing). dpkg -l | grep xorg shows only 1 package, and dpkg-l | grep -i xfree shows 3, one still version 4.3 (xserver), any idea...?
<DarthFrog> drspin: Use cfdisk to delete the partition, then.
<farruinn> limaunion: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
<^thehatsrule^> hmm odd... did you already modify something? because then you might have had to reboot
<Fackamato> limaunion: what does the logs say?
<farruinn> I *think* that will get the dependencies you need
<ogra> limaunion, did you make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed before you upgraded ?
<ogra> limaunion, its very important on upgrades
<rizla> hello
<fgx> ogra, is it safer to have all meta installed before a dist-upgrade?
<apokryphos> limaunion: what farruinn said... also, does startx work?
<rizla> can someone help me, lease?
<JDahl> rizla, what's the problem?
<ogra> fgx, yup....you can remove them later again...but thy make sure you gaet all the desired replacements
<limaunion> ogra: no, i didn't installed that...
<rizla> i've update to kubuntu...
<rizla> i'd like to come back to restore gnome..
<ogra> rizla, /join #kubuntu
<apokryphos> limaunion: you should, then. It's a metapackage with all the dependencies.
<ogra> rizla, oh
<fgx> ogra, ok thx.
<apokryphos> limaunion: or rather... depends on all the necessary stuff.
<gratuit> does anyone know how to tell nautilus to not draw the background? I don't need icons and I'd rather just not have it run when gnome starts
<fgx> ogra, what do you think about: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000 in dmesg?
<limaunion> apokryphos: but ogra says 'before' and here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes says after (now for me ;) )
<apokryphos> limaunion: before is best
<ogra> limaunion, it doesnt matter when ;)
<apokryphos> ogra: well, surely you want to install it before a dist-upgrade?
<ogra> limaunion, just have it there at some point in the upgrade process
<apokryphos> ogra: or are you referring to before the updating of the sources?
<farruinn> gratuit: if you can find the gconf key the command you want is nautilus --no-desktop
<ogra> apokryphos, as i said, it doesnt matter, if you install it, it will care for the necessary replacements
<apokryphos> Eek, oh yeah.
<limaunion> ogra: ok, ...a lot of packages were left it seems, 126...
<Fackamato> hm
<Fackamato> how do I reinstlal gtk?
<DarthFrog> Fackamato: Use Synaptic, search for gtk and mark it for re-installation.
<Fackamato> doh
<Fackamato> i'm used to the terminal
<Fackamato> thakns
<ogra> rizla,  removing libqt3c102 will remove everything that depends on it (KDE and friends) installing ubuntu-desktop will pull in all the gnome stuff again
<farruinn> Fackamato: your gtk2-engines-* packages
<geneo91> screw that channel you get kicked if you even paste two lines that even look the same
<geneo91> azureus-users channel
<farruinn> geneo91: still battling, eh?
<lunitik> geneo91: why are you telling us?
<geneo91> fucking ediots
<geneo91> cause i cant tell them
<geneo91> i got kicked 4 times
* lunitik chuckles at ediots
<geneo91> azbot
<ogra> geneo91, use #flood and point them there
<apokryphos> or a pastebin service
<geneo91> i not going to use it since they are such asshloe
<_joey> is ubuntu good?
<elcuco> where can i find vnc2swf for ubuntu? do i need to install it from debian unstable?
<elcuco> _joey, no, it's a piece of crap, install XP.
<geneo91> azureus sucks now
<fgx> my laptop here is making a kind of funny concert :-) this is my dmesg: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x200000 everyone is welcome to help me stopping the music :-)
<_joey> elcuco you said it, troll:)
<elcuco> _joey, nice question on a #ubuntu channel :)
<DonL> joey, you ask that on this channel?
<_joey> where else?
<DonL> Personally, I think it rocks bigtime
<DarthFrog> _joey: Good compared to what? To XP?  To Debian?  To green cheese?
<elcuco> #mandrake for example...
<geneo91> yeah use xp with out fire wall and 5 minutes you have every known virus
<elcuco> geneo91, i got one on 30 secs on usage
<_joey> hmm, I can tell this distro attracts trolls
<_joey> :))
<DonL> geneo91, lucky to get 30 seconds
<DarthFrog> _joey: I think most of us here would say that Ubuntu is very good indeed.
<DonL> lol
<geneo91> DonL:  i have dial up so it takes longer
<geneo91> hehe
<elcuco> anyway... i am trying to add debian repository, and it tells me "The following signa                                           tures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available". is this covered on some faq?
<apokryphos> _joey: no distro is perfect for everyone. Ubuntu is very nice, for several reasons. See the site on some of these.
<DarthFrog> elcuco: You can ignore that.
<geneo91> elcuco:  is that for hoary
<DarthFrog> elcuco: You probably got that from marilliat.
<Fackamato> http://www.tehjunkyard.net/pics/emulation/rollcage_superbowl
<M_Fatih> apt-get install apache + apt-get install php + apt-get install mysql  ??
<Fackamato> anyone beat that?
<Fackamato> no cheats
<apokryphos> _joey: trolls are actually reasonably rare in here. Only experienced a few myself.
<Fackamato> mysql-veser
<beefsprocket> anyone having problems with inotify and 2.6.11?
<DarthFrog> M_Fatih: Use && instead of +
<elcuco> well, i cant ignore it. since the package i want is on debian
<M_Fatih> noo not + :)
<crimsun> beefsprocket: 2.6.11-0.2?
<beefsprocket> hmm, not sure
<beefsprocket> can't uname since it locks my system
<beefsprocket> (the kernel that is)
<DonL> _joey, this site is excellent
<crimsun> beefsprocket: boot with "noinotify"
<beefsprocket> tried that
<beefsprocket> no good
<hypa7ia> hey beefsprocket!
<beefsprocket> hey!
<beefsprocket> how goes?
<beefsprocket> thought that might be you
<crimsun> beefsprocket: then you should be using 2.6.10-28
<hypa7ia> nabad, you?
<beefsprocket> well, busy
<beefsprocket> hmm, 2.6.10... having a hard time with lufs and sound card drivers
<beefsprocket> so either way...
<hypa7ia> beefsprocket: yup, on here the nick hypatia is taken
<beefsprocket> hypatia: how's the lack of school treating you?
<hypa7ia> beefsprocket: very well :-)
<beefsprocket> lucky
<drspin> OH NO!! could someone help me?
<SysFail> OH NO!!
<drspin> partioning - grub and whatnot
<drspin> I booted off the Live CD so I could use fdisk to repartition my drive... I deleted my NTFS partion and wrote the new table... when I try and boot the system, Grub gives me "Error 22"
<geneo91> driver numbers changed
<geneo91> drive
<Dillweed> hi all.  I was wondering if there was the possibility of getting an i686 release of ubunut?
<geneo91> Dillweed:  you may allready have 686
<Dillweed> i mean more that just the kernel
<Dillweed> the whole system compiled for an i686 and not i386. (am I referring to this in the correct way)
<geneo91> well the packages are configured to that
<memcmeme> ahoy
<Dillweed> are the packages compiled for an i386 or an i686?
<SysFail> argh mateys
<memcmeme> how is everyone here?
<Dillweed> memcmeme, good and you?
<geneo91> Dillweed:  just recompile them all or just get sources
<zerovertex> argh yourself ya scurvey dog
<Dillweed> geneo91, easier said than done, eh?  I've been trying to get apt-build to work but so far ubuntu repositories don't have the source list for downloads just the packages
<SysFail> argh...we wants the redhead
<geneo91> sure they do
<Dillweed> how do I get the source packages with apt-get ?
<memcmeme> I am doing just swell
<geneo91> apt-get --help
<crimsun> Dillweed: apt-get source <package>
<DarthFrog> Dillweed: apt-get source
<Dillweed> lol ok ok i get it.
<drspin> geneo91, I don't understand how deleting hda6 would affect anything else on the drive... unless fdisk wrote a bad partiaion table... but then why would I be able to mount /dev/hda5 normally?
<geneo91> drspin:  is your ubuntu install after hda6
<Dillweed> my next question is does it really make a difference to have programs compile for i386 or i686?
<memcmeme> I need some help
<memcmeme> I am trying install UT2K3 Demo
<memcmeme> its an executable, but it says it can't execute the binary
<SysFail> chmod +x utk3
<Dillweed> memcmeme, who's the owner of the binary?
<SysFail> the filename
<SysFail> chmod +x filenamehere
<geneo91> use wine
<SysFail> then itll execute
<memcmeme> I am
<^thehatsrule^> sysfail hehe
<^thehatsrule^> will fail
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<memcmeme> I am using the Linux demo
<memcmeme> dude
<memcmeme> I don't need wine for that
<SysFail> I already did it
<SysFail> the +x worked
* ^thehatsrule^ first time boot ubuntu... emulated
<geneo91> oh
<^thehatsrule^> whats +x ?
<^thehatsrule^> execute?
<SysFail> sets it to executable
<SysFail> then you can do ./filenamehere
<memcmeme> I know
<memcmeme> that is exactly what i did
<^thehatsrule^> WOW!
<^thehatsrule^> fast boot for livecd :)
<SysFail> speaking of boot
<SysFail> synaptic just did a major upgrade
<SysFail> brb
<geneo91> mines slow no matter what i boot with 6 scsi drives
<limaunion> Well I finally upgraded to Hoary, but after starting gnome I get a big dialog box 'error: failed to initialize HAL!', any idea what's going on ?
* connolly struggles to get a USB midi keyboard working in ubuntu
<Quinn_Storm> limaunion: are you sure you're running a 2.6 kernel?
<limaunion> quinn_storm: yes, a self-compiled kernel (2.6.11) that worked ok with Warty
<geneo91> limaunion:  you need to reboot
<DanC_ub> btw... I switched to hoary a while ago; I did an apt-get upgrade tonight and it upgraded zillions of packages, but none of it seems visible. Is there anything new/cool that I could/should look for?
<limaunion> geneo91: i already rebooted the system
<Quinn_Storm> limaunion: okay, is hald running?
<memcmeme> anyone know why this bloody thing wont execute?
<limaunion> Quinn_Storm: yes, it's running
<geneo91> memcmeme:  try it in console
<DanC_ub> hmm... osd, alsa, esd, polypaudio, jack... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DrainingTheLinuxAudioSwamp indeed!
<Quinn_Storm> limaunion: I don't know then, b/c if hald is running you shouldn't have any trouble...but I don 't use gnome so...nor have I ever had trouble with hal
<keffo> hm, in my homedir i got 2 dirs i want to show on desk.. best way to do this? create a link and drag-n-drop to desk?
<limaunion> Quinn_Storm: ok, thanks anyway, will see what can i do
<keffo> the thing is, that little blue arrow annyos me
<Quinn_Storm> limaunion: sorry I couldn't help more
<memcmeme> geneo91 are you on #flood?
<limaunion> Quinn_Storm: np
<memcmeme> I posted the feedback of that on Flood
<^thehatsrule^> flood?
<Dillweed> no one answered my question?  why is ubuntu only compiled for an i386?
<^thehatsrule^> no... its not
<^thehatsrule^> theres other architechtures as well
<^thehatsrule^> check downloads mehtinks
<Dillweed> i don't mean architechtures
<^thehatsrule^> huh?
<Dillweed> why don't they compile for an i686 processor?
<speel> Dillweed, well beacause its widley used
<^thehatsrule^> well in terms of i386... thats architechture
<memcmeme> so what should I do?
<^thehatsrule^> oh, optimized for?
<Dillweed> to take advange of the improvements in the i686?
<Dillweed> optimized is a better word :)(
<^thehatsrule^> i suppose you try using boot options, like to turn on mce and so forth
<^thehatsrule^> since its debian based?
<speel> Dillweed, well ubuntu is not aimed toward optimization :P
<memcmeme> NEVERMIND, the bastard mirror said it was the Linux demo but its the bloody windows demo
<memcmeme> sorry about that
<Dillweed> speel, true, however, if ubuntu is mainly aimed at desktop users, wouldn't it be advangateous to optimize the system?
<speel> Dillweed, well what if you have a low powerd cpu?
<Quest-Master> Dillweed: You can just upgrade your kernel to 686 if needed
<Dillweed> speel, not really, but the other software doesn't take advantage of the processor.
<Dillweed> I did upgrade the kernel to i686
<speel> Dillweed,  but with i386 it kinda covers all computers
<Quest-Master> If we did that Dillweed, we'd leave out all the people with older computers.
<Dillweed> speel, that I understand. but honestly how many people still have a 386
<Quest-Master> Lots.
<Dillweed> even the pentium pro's were 586
<^thehatsrule^> heh
<Quest-Master> Especially ones that use Linux.
<^thehatsrule^> stole me line!
<Quest-Master> Because they can use Linux to put those old machines to good use.
<speel> Dillweed, with them compiling it for 386 kinda just means every one can use it no matter what
<Dillweed> lol, i know.  would it possible put out optimized builds?
<JDahl> Dillweed, I think I read that Ubuntu devs are experimented with architecture optimized prebuild packages to see if it makes a difference
<geneo91> if you like waiting a week for gui to load
<speel> Dillweed, lol yea defently but i daught there worryed about archs right now
<fgx> do you know if/when ubuntu will support floppy install?
<Dillweed> speel, understandable.
<speel> :)
<Dillweed> I've been using (don't shoot me) gentoo for the past 1.5 years and really like the speed, but can't stand the compile times.
<^thehatsrule^`> yay
<limaunion> previously i reported that i was having some trouble while trying to update via apt-get, am i wrong or the example at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary is wrong ? i mean, doesn't need to be a / at the end of the repositories?
<JDahl> Dillweed, but I guess that typical user tasks arent particularly CPU intensive... what kind of packages would you like to see optimized?
<speel> fgx, i dont think they will , i personally never found a article about it
<^thehatsrule^`> <-- on ubuntu :)
<Dillweed> JDahl, well honestly all of them.  especially the frontend stuff.  gnome, firefox, etc.
<fgx> speel, :-( don't know how to do install ubuntu from sarge floppy
<Dillweed> it seems that the developers of the compilers should eliminate the optimizing code, because it seems no one is taking advantage of it.
<JDahl> Dillweed, on a modern PC I find it hard to believe that optimizing those kind of packages makes a real difference, but I might be wrong... I use a lot of software for numerical analysis, and there arch optimization makes a huge difference
<speel> hey any one knows if amd athlon xp is a k7?
<^thehatsrule^`> how much ram should i need to run a livecd?
<speel> ^thehatsrule^, i think 128 is minimum
<geneo91> 128 min
<^thehatsrule^`> Mem:    191664k total,   181296k used,    10368k free,     5708k buffers
<^thehatsrule^`> cause that says i have 181mb used :<
<Dillweed> JDahl, I agree with you.  I've noticed on my gentoo systems programs that were optimized for an athlon-xp in general load faster then in ubuntu.
<Dillweed> speel, i believe the athlon xp is an k7
<speel> yea thats what i figured
<speel> hmm i wonder if its worth it to upgrade it to the k7
<Dillweed> upgrade what?
<speel> the kernel to k7
<Dillweed> imo it does.
<pantz> when i insert my SD card from my camera into my card reader it comes up with an icon on the desktop called 'DIMAGE' - anyone know where I go to customize the name?
<pantz> I have grepped for DIMAGE and not found it anywhere
<speel> would i have to remove the 386 then install the k7?
<Dillweed> speel, no
<pantz> speel, install k7 then remove 386
<Dillweed> speel, when you upgrade the kernel it automatically sets it in the grub menu.lst
<speel> bah thats what i ment lol thanks
<pantz> hehe
<Dillweed> you can have both on the same system and be fine.
<JDahl> speel, or keep 386 as a backup
<Dillweed> i generally have 3-4 old kernels that I haven't deleted
<farruinn> anyone know how to create startup items for non-gnome sessions? (e.g. enlightenment or fluxbox)
<nekrataal> hi there
<speel> just down load the linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-k7 and thats it?
<Quinn_Storm> farruinn: they didn't come with sessions? on debian-based systems they should install them automatically and you'd just have to reload gdm to get them to show up in the menu
<nekrataal> one question....how do i change my screen reslution on ubuntu??, i edited the file xorg.conf adding the new resolutions i want, but even restarting X server they arent show in the Gnome reslution...
<arek> fluxbox shows up in gdm
<farruinn> Quinn_Storm: I've got sessions in /usr/share/xsessions/ but they're .desktop files, I can't just add things to it (like gnome-settings-daemon &)
<speel> hey any developers / programmers in here suggest a pretty decent for an 11th grade HS student :P ??
<JDahl> nekrataal, system->preferences->screen resolution
<farruinn> arek: yup, I used fluxbox's file to create one for enlightenment =)
<speel> pretty decent programming lanuage**
<crimsun> speel: python, Java, C++
<JDahl> what's decent about C++?
<speel> python .. i heard alot about it
<nekrataal> JDahl, yes, i know, but there apears only 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768..
<speel> its is pretty straight foward to learn?
<crimsun> JDahl: it's good to be knowledgable about those three at least
<nekrataal> and i want more, that why i edited the xorg.conf...but they dont appear to work..
<geneo91> python rox
<fgx> nekrataal, do you have lcd?
<Quinn_Storm> nekrataal: are you sure your monitor can support the resolutions?
<ells> does anyone know if there is a quictime plugin for the internet
<geneo91> ubuntu is python oriented
<speel> brb going to restart to my brandnew kern :)
<Quest-Master> ells: Only if you have Crossover Office which costs money
<nekrataal> yes, its best resolution is 1280x1024@110Mhz
<ells> Quest-Master: I acutally have it but not installed
<Dillweed> who can I get in contact with to see about optimizing ubuntu for a 686?
<Quest-Master> ells: Install it then and use the Quicktime plugin included :)
<ells> Quest-Master; it did not work well with hoary before
<Quest-Master> :o
<Quest-Master> Works fine for me
<ells> Quest-Master; it worked well with warty though
<ells> Quest-Master: which version do you have
<JDahl> Dillweed, first browse through the forums
<nekrataal> nobody ?
<Quest-Master> ells: 4.1
<JDahl> nekrataal, what you're doing sounds right... maybe try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
<nekrataal> ok, ill take some sleep, c-ya guys
<ells> I will check and see what I have
<Dillweed> ok, thanks for the help all
<Dillweed> have a good one.
<ells> Quest-Master, I have pro4.1
<ells> I can try it again
<Quest-Master> Ok
<ells> Quest-Master, do you have the nice interactive screen
<PlasmaPain> any one alive here ?
<HrdwrBoB> no
<HrdwrBoB> I'm undead, but I still use ubuntu
<PlasmaPain> i was strating to think all this nicks was buried
<PlasmaPain> and this was a cemitery
<Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows off the top of their head which commands I need to run to reconfigure the nvidia kernel module.
<HrdwrBoB> you've been here for three minutes
* Quinn_Storm is undead too...and she'll bite ya if you're not careful.
<HrdwrBoB> Absenth: erm.. what do you mean
<Absenth> I just changed to the k7 specific kernel, and currently x won't boot with the "nvidia" driver.
<PlasmaPain> HrdwrBoB: you dont cary a shovvel bye any chance ?
<HrdwrBoB> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
<HrdwrBoB> should do it
<HrdwrBoB> PlasmaPain: I keep one handy
<Absenth> it's failing on the kernel module.  I know on fedora I just re-ran the .run script, but I have no idea where apt puts such things.
<HrdwrBoB> Absenth: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
<HrdwrBoB> well, sudo apt-get [etc] 
<Quinn_Storm> what if you can't find any linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) package? (I'm on hoary...have all the repositories enabled I think...maybe not...using stock kernel, uname-r is 2.6.10-5-386)
<ells> is anyone using crossover
<HrdwrBoB> Quinn_Storm: there should be a 2.6.10-5 I think, if not, revert to -4
<PlasmaPain> any one runed ubuntu securty tests ?
<Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: there doesn't appear to be any linux-restricted-modules packages, at least according to aptitude
<PlasmaPain> what is ububtu rating ?
<Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: what repository are they in? I have main universe & multiverse enabled
<HrdwrBoB> main
<M_Fatih> hi all, i have a problem with management in apache..
<LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, on distrowatch we are #1
<ells> is anyone using crossover, just curious
<HrdwrBoB> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on 386
<Absenth> LinuxJones, is that #1 for popularity, or for security
<Absenth> Ells, I've got Crossover running.
<PlasmaPain> #1 what ?
<Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: odd indeed...let me check... deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse that correct?
<M_Fatih> i installed but /etc/init.d/apache2 initscript doesn't work, i'm using apache2ctl script.. :(
<ells> Absenth, is it on warty or hoary
<LinuxJones> Absenth, pop :D
<Absenth> hoary,
<HrdwrBoB> Quinn_Storm: yes
<ells> Absenth, do you have the nice graphical layout with it
<HrdwrBoB> pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.3-8_i386.deb
<Absenth> Ells, I'm also running Transgaming 4.3
<Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: well I've apt-get updated (no errors) and the package doesn't seem to be there...
<ells> Absenth, what is Transgaming
<Absenth> ells, "nice graphical layout"  be more specific please.
<Quinn_Storm> ooooh, "restricted"....I need to add that repository
<sabmoc> Absenth: dont they call that cedega now?
<Absenth> ells, Transgaming = the makers of wineX also known as Cedega
<HrdwrBoB> well cedega
<HrdwrBoB> formerly known as winex
<Absenth> HrdwrBoB, Danke, for the apt-get line, worked like a charm.
<ells> Absenth, well in past with hoary, the graphical part wont come up, have to launch files thru console
<HrdwrBoB> Absenth: excellent :)
<Quinn_Storm> HrdwrBoB: I needed to add "restricted" to my repository
<HrdwrBoB> ah yes
<HrdwrBoB> of course
<HrdwrBoB> I'm a tard :)
<sabmoc> I used to run it back in the winex days, it worked pretty good for deus ex and a few others.
<ells> Absenth, are the programs listed in your applications menu
<JDahl> will either bazaar or bazaar-ng become sourceforge projects, or will development be kept inside Canonical?
<sabmoc> HrdwrBoB: dont feel bad, a lot of people are tardy.
<Absenth> ells, nope, they sure aren't
<HrdwrBoB> sabmoc: heh I take solace in the fact that lots of people are worse than me
<ells> Absenth, so how do you run your files, just curious
<Absenth> ells, I guess I haven't tried Crossover since upgrading to Hoary.
<jdub> JDahl: they won't go on sourceforge, but they're entirely public
<sabmoc> Absenth: you may have to restart gnome to get apps populating your menu list
<jdub> JDahl: don't have to be on sourceforge to be a free software project... :)
<ells> Absenth, after you install in hoary, you have to use it by going thru console.
<sabmoc> jdub: doesnt microsoft even have a few programs on sourceforge now?
<PlasmaPain> you need to be in savanah
<jdub> sabmoc: indeed.
<ells> Absenth, you have to install all your programs when you install crossover
<calc> anyone notice xorg not driving monitors as high as it used to?
<sabmoc> I seem to remember some xml app from microsoft on sourceforge
<Quinn_Storm> wow, ubuntu is third only to mandrake & fedora and its actually tied with fedora (on distrowatch)...I'm quite glad to see this
<ells> Abseth, crossover wont come up again after
<Quinn_Storm> oh, no, only almost tied
<calc> i hadn't logged out in hoary in a few weeks and now when i did its only doing 1600x1200 75
<JDahl> jdub, are people outside Canonical involved in any of those projects?
<jdub> http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
<calc> and the monitor change app only shows 60hz as an option
<jdub> JDahl: absolutely
<PlasmaPain> dont you think that distrowatch ratings are being manipulated ?
<jdub> JDahl: quite a few arch hackers are contributing to baz, and martin is already receiving patches for bzr (which is very new)
<ells> Absenth, can you use any of your programs
<LinuxJones> Ubuntu is kicking ass :)
<sabmoc> jdub: hey, can you tell me what to do with my life? I need to figure it out someday.
<linux_galore> yeah Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a breath of fresh air for debianites
<sabmoc> wow, ubuntu is kicking ass
<Quinn_Storm> yeah, (k)ubuntu is pretty great
* calc finally saw the new background image and wonders what happened to the old one
<linux_galore> reminds me I need to burn the kubuntu live cd
<Absenth> ells, currently no, but the only program I had installed on this machine was acrobat reader.
<PlasmaPain> any one hacked ubuntu yet ?
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: kubuntu isnt on the list, is it considered part of ubuntu or a different distro?
<jdub> sabmoc: both
<ells> Absenth, you will have to go thru console go to the file and ./file
<linux_galore> actually I was wondering what kernel security patched the Ubuntu guys use as default
<linux_galore> patches
<sabmoc> jdub: hows that?
<Absenth> PlasmaPain, Expect Ubuntu to be on par with Debian of a similar kernel version.
<jdub> Quinn_Storm: but it's extraordinarily new
* Quinn_Storm goes away, brb
<calc> oh hmm actually i misread the monitor its running in 60hz mode now no wonder my eyes were buggin out
* calc kicks xorg
<jdub> sabmoc: it's both part of ubuntu and a different distribution
<speel> woo was i almost screwd lol i installed the k7 and restarted .. then xserver dident want to load
<calc> ah it overwrote my xorg.conf with bad values
<PlasmaPain> what kernel is in kunbutu ?
<speel> xfree86 that is
<sabmoc> so then whoever makes ubuntu actually makes two distrobutions, makes sence, i think novel makes `suse` as well as `novel desktop`
<jdub> PlasmaPain: same as ubuntu, 2.6.10
<linux_galore> does Ubuntu use the  GRSecurity and PaX  kernel patches
* calc is back at 85hz now, much better :)
<inphlict> Hey guys
<sabmoc> and redhat makes redhat and fedora
<inphlict> I need some help
<speel> dont we all?
<inphlict> how do I install a xmms skin?
<sabmoc> i dont
<crimsun> inphlict: unzip/untar it in ~/.xmms/Skins/
<PlasmaPain> debian makes lots of them but for difrent archs
<inphlict> thnx
<jdub> sabmoc: no, the ubuntu team develops ubuntu and the kubuntu team develops kubuntu. we share almost everything, just have different desktop focus.
<speel> inphlict, well theres a few ways .. did you ever add the extra repos?
<jdub> linux_galore: no
<sabmoc> jdub: ok that makes much more sence, do both teams work for the same company? Is it the Canonical company? (I am new to ubuntu)
<linux_galore> jdub: so Ubuntu is open for many of the new kernel hacks that are missing on the default tree
<Absenth> linux_galore, a Google for +ubuntu +GRSecurity, as well as +ubuntu +pax both show hits.
<speel> sabmoc, ubuntu is part of canonical
<calc> hmm i see a bug in the about ubuntu yelp, the main page has no desc on the left hand side
<Absenth> linux_galore, I'd assume if it's not, "default" it can be implimented.
<jdub> linux_galore: no
<inphlict> okay skins works now
<inphlict> crimsun: thanks
<crimsun> inphlict: np
<linux_galore> jdub: so you do patch the kernels
<sabmoc> speel: I dont understand now, is there a company called "Ubuntu LInux"? maybe thats the fact I am missing.
<jdub> sabmoc: canonical sponsors some of the developers, yes
<jdub> linux_galore: yes
<fgx> jdub, do you think ubuntu will have boot/install floppy in the future?afaik now you have to boot from sarge floppy. am i wrong?
<jdub> sabmoc: no, ubuntu is the distro, canonical sponsors its development
<inphlict> This is the skin http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/
<linux_galore> jdub: now Im confused
<speel> sabmoc, ubunut is just a project for canocail or how ever you spell it
<speel> ubuntu*
<PlasmaPain> what canonical means ?
<jdub> fgx: unlikely
<speel> no idea lol sounds like some kinda camra
<PlasmaPain> is it religin ?
<PlasmaPain> religion ?
<speel> lol
<calc> orthodox
* linux_galore now to boot up my laptop with kubuntu and play with kde 3.4
<jdub> PlasmaPain: look up canonical in your GNOME dictionary
<PlasmaPain> isnt canonical like some saint ?
<sabmoc> Ubuntu is a free community project (i think) who has some sponsored developers working on it (sponsored by Canonical). Correct?
<sysfail> anybody using win4lin???...please let me know
<Absenth> or JFGI
<PlasmaPain> i dont have gnome
* linux_galore waits
<jdub> sabmoc: yes
<PlasmaPain> you tell me
<mach> is there any way to install ubuntu through internet?
<mach> I don't have a cd recorder
<sabmoc> well... now that I've wraped up the mystery of the Ubuntu project, what should I do with my life now?
<calc> mach: you may be able to pxe netboot and install it, not certain
<geneo91> mach:  you could do a hd install
<PlasmaPain> whats the mystery of ubuntu ?
<Absenth> sabmoc, you should sell all your belongings, and send the proceeds to my bank account so I can hire my legions of doom, and take over the world.
<linux_galore> woohoo desktop loading
<speel> hack it with a axe
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain: dont start that again.
<linux_galore> ack need to fix the resolution
<PlasmaPain> what ?
<PlasmaPain> is it a secret ?
<sabmoc> Absenth: my wife doesnt like that idea very much.
<speel> ubuntu is a world consiprisy lol
<Absenth> sabmoc, My wife wouldn't like it if the tables were reversed, but she did laugh.
<mach> geneo91, hmm, how can I do that? some documentation anywhere?
<sabmoc> hahah
<Absenth> sabmoc, maybe we should go in together, and be joint evil overlords?
* madstop wonders why wallpaper using gradients looks so crappy on hoary gnome
<PlasmaPain> is ubuntu the crusareds distro ?
<speel> lol are there ever any ubuntu developers in here?
<jdub> speel: always
<geneo91> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
<speel> they hide :P
* madstop also wonders where color depth settings are buried...
<linux_galore> ok got kubuntu up and going.............niiice
<sabmoc> Absenth: that has a nice ring to it, what are you two doing for brunch next tuesday? I'll have my evil horde call your evil horde.
<PlasmaPain> use kubuntu
<mach> calc, what's pxe?
<linux_galore> yeah kde 3.4 supports svg wallpaper now
<Absenth> sabmoc, heh.
* linux_galore pokes the gnome developers
<PlasmaPain> what is svg wallpaper ?
<farruinn> linux_galore: gnome doesn't?
<linux_galore> PlasmaPain: form of vector graphics
<madstop> is kubuntu always going to be called kubuntu?  Seems like kind of a lazy thing to call it, and somehow unfair to the word "ubuntu".  Just my opinion...
<linux_galore> farruinn: not that I can see
<PlasmaPain> so it suports animations ?
<sabmoc> But seriously folks, sabmoc needs your ideas for a career. Im even considering going into technical writing. Thats how low Im stooping.
<sirukin> ubuntuk just sounds silly.
<Absenth> sabmoc, Mmmm... as evil overlord I could lart them all...
<speel> does any one feel weird when they say the word "ubuntu" to some one new to linux? i feel like im a space alien somtimes
<sirukin> so no, kubuntu will always be kubuntu
<jdub> madstop: why? it's a rad name
<Absenth> sabmoc, where roughly in the world are ya
<linux_galore> PlasmaPain: no just single svg image files....means you dont need different wallpaper resolutions for different screen sizes....one image fits all
<sabmoc> Im Canadian, eh.
<sirukin> I only say ubuntu when I know I'm talking to someone african
<speel> lol
<calc> mach: preboot execution environment, allows you to boot off the network on x86 systems
<PlasmaPain> everything starts with a K
<mach> calc, thanks
<sirukin> which is rare, so it's usually, "This totally awesome opensource fully compliant gnu-wise distrobution of linux".
<Absenth> I was just in CanEHdia last month.  I hear Alberta has a serious lack of techies.
<sirukin> yeah, it's a tongueful
<linux_galore> PlasmaPain: not always theres juk and scribus and inkscape
<madstop> Here are some nice examples of svg wallpaper-- cool how it scales -- http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/
<sabmoc> Absenth: what type of tech's?
<madstop> and with transparency!
<Absenth> sabmoc, I would guess mostly winders admin types, and desktop support types, but.....
<linux_galore> madstop: yeah someone on kde-apps has added a true transparency patch for kde to work with x.org
<PlasmaPain> do nvidia driver work in kunbutu ?
<sabmoc> madstop: nice wallpaper!
<Absenth> sabmoc, I was on vacation, so I didn't really ask too many questions.  I know tech types in Calgary make a lot more then those working for same company, in the same job title, in SaskatALFDAJDFLAOVIEHJAOLJKAWE (since I can't spell it anyway)
<jdub> PlasmaPain: it's included
<PlasmaPain> the acelarated one ?
<madstop> Yeah, sabmoc, that guy's good.
<jdub> PlasmaPain: the nvidia closed source driver, yes.
<Absenth> PlasmaPain, I'm running Accellerated NVIDIA drivers on the other pc right now.  Using Cedega to play WoW
<linux_galore> PlasmaPain: should do works with Ubuntu....... the nvidia driver has nothing to do with gnome or kde
<dsl874> lo
<PlasmaPain> it has to do with xorg
<Quinn_Storm> madstop: it would be neat if the ubuntu wallpaper cycled colors somehow
<PlasmaPain> and xorg has to do with them both
<linux_galore> must say Ubuntu team did a nice job with kubuntu
<Absenth> PlasmaPain, easiest way to install it is through synaptic. however if you want to, by hand works as well.
<saber> is ubunto 4.10 based on woody or sarge?
<tehats`> um, i just tried running the livecd off my pentium, and it failed on boot!
<calc> saber: sarge
<tehats`> i thought it was compatible with 386's :/
<tehats`> and mines a p1-166
<saber> ok: thanks calc... I'm trying to install the qmail .deb
<linux_galore> finally a version of Debian with the latest kde desktop that doesnt look like ****
<sabmoc> Absenth: yeah, thats pretty typical. I think Linux is much bigger in eastern Canada. Too bad I live in BC though. We are a bit alienated from the rest of our country (too many damn empty provinces full of wheat fields between us and New York!)
<madstop> Isn't there some way to at least cycle wallpapers?  or maybe cycle desktop colors, if using transparency?  Maybe every time you log-in?
<tehats`> any help? :<<
<Absenth> PlasmaPain, acually xorg has very little to do with it.  It has a LOT more to do with the Kernel, and kernel modules.  I ran Warty with Nvidia-GLX, upgraded to Hoary with Nvidia-GLX, and now running a K7 specific kernel on Hoary with nvidia-GLX
<Quinn_Storm> madstop: well I know there is in kde
<PlasmaPain> knoppix looked freat too
<calc> madstop: make a script to modify the config file
<Absenth> warty = XF86-4  Hoary = Xorg.  Both work fine.
<madstop> I suppose being able to have different wallpaper on different workspaces would be overkill...?
<sabmoc> Absenth: Im surprised they even know what computers are in Saskachewan.
<tehats`> any... help... ?
<PlasmaPain> i dont know nothing about that kernel stuff
<speel> dud ubuntu ever fix that issue with nvidia and hoary?
<robodex> wheeeeee compositing is fun
<Absenth> sabmoc, I was in Okotoks??  (about 30km south of Calgary) feb 12-20
<robodex> speel: what issue?
<sabmoc> speel: Im on hoary with nvidia and have no issues.
<Absenth> speel I'm running it now, so I would say it works fine.
<tehats`> eek?
<speel> there was some issue with one of the kernels and the nvidia driver
<tehats`> no one to help a noob when its needed? :P
<linux_galore> yeah I found with the nvidia driver I had to setup a preload for the nvidia module before x tried to use it
<Absenth> tehats`, what was the question?
<tehats`> why cant the livecd boot on meh pentium 166 :P
<PlasmaPain> has any one hacked ubuntu yet ?
<sabmoc> tehats`: sometimes you have to really whine for a while until someone notices.
<Absenth> tehats`, do I really need to answer that?
<tehats`> lol ok
<Madiba> sabmoc: i can only load live cd in safemode not noemal and morning
<Quinn_Storm> tehats`: how much ram?
<Absenth> tehats`, option 1 is of course, will the 166 boot to ANY cd?
<tehats`> oh... not enough ram i guess haha
<speel> PlasmaPain, well what do you mean hacked ubuntu
<tehats`> yes, im running off DSL right now
<madstop> tehats, all I can tell you is, in my experience, the cd's need a sloooooow burn -- I've had inconsistent results booting or installing on different machines
<PlasmaPain> i mean break in to it
<robodex> you'd be hard pressed to find a 166 that'll boot a windows 95 cd...
<linux_galore> yeah Ive got a P1 166 and I have damn small linux on it......only thing thats half way decent
<tehats`> 32mb ram tho - i was gonna see if i could boot to terminal
<sabmoc> tehats`: you need to understand what a live cd is, it loads the entire operating system and the desktop into RAM. EVERYTHING. Not very good for old comps, sorry bro.
<speel> oo
<Fackamato> PlasmaPain: how do you break into a distribution? rofl
<Quinn_Storm> tehats`: you need 128+mb ram to make it work
<tehats`> everything?
<sabmoc> yup
<tehats`> i thought you could have boot options like dsl :/
<sabmoc> thats why its called 'live'
<PlasmaPain> the same way you break in to anything
<Madiba> sabmoc:
<sabmoc> eh?
<linux_galore> tehats`: install damn small linux......works fine even on 8mb of ram
<Fackamato> PlasmaPain: you're really funny, i'm lmfao
<PlasmaPain> how the hell dhould i know
<tehats`> ah... would installing to hard drive help?
<tehats`> or would it still be bad heh
<linux_galore> tehats`: DSL even comes with a desktop
<madstop> sabmoc, wouldn't the install cd allow just the base os to be loaded, for a server on old equipment, say -- and I thought the live cd might have loading options like that too
<sabmoc> tehats`: yes it would be much better, but still it would be slow on a pentium 150 or whatever you said..
<tehats`> well, right now im having a DNS issue - im using ip's for some reason
<tehats`> yes i know, im using dsl now ;p
<PlasmaPain> Fackamato: keep your guts in
<tehats`> but i have a inet problem that i dont know how to fix
<tehats`> so i wanted to use something else to try
<sabmoc> madstop: well I could be wrong, but I think the live cd is just for previewing what ubuntu looks and feels like, it doesnt install anything to your computer, not even if you want it to do that.
<linux_galore> tehats`: theres a beefed up version of DSL running around with XFCE setup
<tehats`> heh, i like flux ;p
<sabmoc> madstop: but the regular install disk will install a base system just as you said. nice feature.
<Madiba> sabmoc: i can only load live cd in safemode not normal and perhaps its an issue with nvidia drivers iv got geforcr 4 mx4
<madstop> yes, sabmoc, of course you're right-- I forgot, it just creates a ram drive or whatever it's called, right?
<PlasmaPain> why not making a live cd ith install optin and lose the instaler cd ?
<linux_galore> tehats`: I use XFCE and debian on my P1 166 (48mb) works fine although "dam small" runs faster
<geneo91> Madiba:  not so
<sabmoc> Madiba: hmm.. interesting.
<madstop> PlasmaPain,  I was wondering that myself...
<Madiba> geneo 91 it ask me if i want to conguire my card not working on morphix any ideas?
<linux_galore> madstop: the live CD uses the FOSS nv driver
<omniscient> hey guys. I'm using ubuntu linux and almost every latex generated dvi i try and convert to pdf comes out blank because of no fonts, do any of you know the package that I'd need to install to aquire extra fonts? or should i be asking this in the ubuntu channel?
<madstop> linux_galore, wow, xfce can do that?  Do you know if xfce 4+ would also work on so little memory?
<sabmoc> Madiba: perhaps the disk is bad(?) have you tried to burn a new copy of the disk to see if that could be the problem?
<omniscient> i asked #latex but they are all dead
<tehats`> alright... bbl
<geneo91> well mine works just fine
<tehats`> thx for the input
<Madiba> ok ill try that
<linux_galore> madstop: XFCE runs on 32mb machine fine.....I used to run xfce on a 16mb machine
<sabmoc> damn it! You killed kenn^^^ Latex!!
<Madiba> thnks guys
<Madiba> any south africans here
<omniscient> planky
<madstop> linux_galore, sorry, but I'm too inexperienced to appreciate the driver distinctions to which you're referring
<Quinn_Storm> I ran xfce on a 32mb machine for a while (k6-400 w/ 32mb since the 128mb upgrade broke, I eventually got a new 128mb sodimm)
<sabmoc> kanga is, but he is not online right now.
<Madiba> im kanga sabmoc
<sabmoc> hahaha
<sabmoc> thats funny!
<sabmoc> Hi kanga!
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> hey, other than hackign the X11 config file, is there a "proper" way of setting my monitors refresh rate properly? It's max is 75Hz atm, but I know it can do 85Hz at this resolution
<Madiba> madiba is nelson mandelas nickname and hi
<linux_galore> madstop: the nv driver isnt the official nvidia driver but I found it works fine from tnt2 -> fx5900 cards that Ive used
<madstop> linux_galore, I really liked what I saw of xfce  -- have to try it again.  And I'm throwing together some computer odds and ends from years ago, so I'll try it on those
<sabmoc> Madiba: is this still the same problem you had before?
<saber> how can i ask dpkg to ignore all errors when removing?
<Madiba> no got it to run the cd had to reburn as iso image worked fine no i have problem with card
<PlasmaPain> saber: use the F option
<Madiba> can i boot to it now ill checjk the opptions and get back to you
<madstop> Quinn_Storm,  how well did xfce run, and what distro on the k6-400?
<sabmoc> ok
<Madiba> bbl cheers
<Quinn_Storm> madstop: it was debian, and it ran fine, but that machine had a really slow hd so swap was painfully slow, heh, but xfce itself was really just fine
<robodex> xfce runs like a charm (with compositing) on my celeron 667 :p
<saber> I cannot find anything appropriate under --force-help
<Quinn_Storm> madstop: I even did some developing for it...had a panel plugin that was a "dock" (think more nextstep-ish than macosish, that is no silly extra graphics, just a combo taskbar/app launcher)
<linux_galore> yeah XFCE is pretty small uses less than 10mb for me.....the fonts are actually a bigger problem i found lol
<speel> any one knows any good toutorials on learning python
<saber> ah i got it.. dpkg -r --force-all ssmtp
<Quinn_Storm> web browsing is the big problem on a low ram machine
<linux_galore> too many fonts = sucks up too much ram
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> how does one clear the apt cache? just rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/* ?
<Absenth> I don't suppose anyone here has experiance with Vector linux?
<Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: apt-get clean
<sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: yup
<geneo91> speel:  python org has all you need
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> Quinn_Storm, thanks
<linux_galore> Quinn_Storm: actually not I use a browser called "dillo" and another one called "surfraw"  both use less than 2mb
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm: same thing
<madstop> speaking of swap, with 512 ram, how much swap should I have if I want to try hibernation -- and does hibernation actually work for anybody?
<Quinn_Storm> linux_galore: cool, neither of them did everything I wanted unfortunately
<speel> ah ok thanks
<linux_galore> Quinn_Storm: well dillo was designed as a graphical browser for PDA's........its designed for images and text little else but the upside is a lack of advertising and really fast download speeds even on a good system
<sabmoc> madstop: of course it works, and you should always have the same amount of ram as swap, when you go into hibernate it write everything in ram to the swap, so you need enough swap so even if your ram is full it will work properly.
<madstop> speel, maybe you looked already, but you can "man python" too; don't know how extensive or helpful it is though
<sabmoc> man != tutorail
<linux_galore> Quinn_Storm: there is also minimoz.....imagine firefox but even smaller
<Absenth> how about, anyone use Slackware 10?
<sabmoc> suddenly everything is silent.
* omniscient kicks & screams about his latex font problem
<geneo91> i have
<Absenth> geneo91, is it possible to install a 2.6 based kernel on it?
<linux_galore> theres a really good KDE IDE for latex
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> what does it mean when "apt-get update" fails with "MD5Sum Mismatch"? Does that mean the mirror is in the process of updating or something?
<geneo91> sure
<linux_galore> Kile  thats the name
<Quinn_Storm> linux_galore: not sure...not that it matters, that box is now just a network bridge, heh
<madstop> well, I went overboard with swap, using 1 gig!  (I'm a confused windows user!)  I tried hibernation with hoary amd64, and things locked up afterward; I'm a little scared to try it again
<sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: no it means the package you downloaded is corrupted
<madstop> thanks sabmoc
<sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: delete that packages from your repository and download it again.
<linux_galore> http://kile.sourceforge.net
<linux_galore> I write manuals using kile....although these days I use OOo 2.0
<alec> madstop, 1gb swap is not necessarily overboard
<sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: if it says md5sum missmatch again, then there is a problem with the package itself, maybe wait until tomorrow and redownload it.. maybe the checksum hasn't been updated or something.
<sabmoc> linux_galore: you write manuals? are you a technical writer?
<alec> madstop, http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html
<Quinn_Storm> from what I've heard, 2x ram is the reccomended swap
<Quinn_Storm> but that could be wrong
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> sabmoc, yeah I just did an apt-get clean; and then apt-get update; again and it still does the same thing :( it's the Packages.gz file from Universe, and Sources.gz from Main on my mirror that aren't working
<linux_galore> sabmoc: no engineer but i often have to reedit manuals for Australian use
<sabmoc> I've always heard 1xRAM
<Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: you could always switch to another mirror
<sabmoc> az[a] zel_ubuntu: you could try switching your servers, or maybe just wait, usually its fixed in a little while, i bet someone is just updating.
<Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: I use the archive.ubuntu.org mirror and don't have troubles there right now (just checked it)
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> Quinn_Storm, nah this one is my local ISP, and doesn't cost me in downloads :) (we have download limits in australia)
<madstop> thanks alec -- one thing I wonder about; suppose I had another linux install on same machine, sharing the swap; if I hibernated, then booted to the other kernel, would having a full swap mess up  the other os's startup?
<Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: archive.ubuntu.com I mean...oh, ok
<sabmoc> linux_galore: Im thinking of going into technical writing and webdevelopment.
<Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: then yeah they are in the process of syncing the mirror
<linux_galore> Varies I found.... for most people 256mb is fine if your handling allot of services 512 or more might be needed
<Quinn_Storm> az[a] zel_ubuntu: wait a while and it should be fixed
<sabmoc> linux_galore: ^ why I asked.
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> Quinn_Storm, cool
<alec> madstop, probaly not mess up the startup, but the swap would overwritten
<alec> madstop, I'm not a hibernate expert
<linux_galore> sabmoc: aah.. I do it because my english skills are not lacking shall we say
<sabmoc> haha
<linux_galore> sabmoc: most engineers have poor communications skills
<sabmoc> I can imagine a lot of Asian manuals
<sabmoc> that too
<linux_galore> sabmoc: yeah students who do a few years in europe learning english then go bach home to china/tw/hk then start writing manuals that no one understands lol
<madstop> that's what I thought alec, I guess it's safe for the other os, since I presume it's not accessing the swap anyway at start (given enough ram anyway).
<linux_galore> back*
<madstop> in any event, it would probably be dumb for me to try that...
<sabmoc> linux_galore: yeah definitely, but then again I would hate to write a manual in Chinese!
<linux_galore> sabmoc: wouldnt even go that route lol........too many characters plus the chinese dialects often have poor technology support so you have to swap to latin english
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> anyone got 32 bit firefox running on Ubuntu AMD64? Need to get flash player going at some stage...
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> even better, would be 32 bit Opera on Ubuntu AMD64
<micmur> Hey everybody
<LinuxJones> hi micmur :)
<micmur> Anybody familiar with mplayer?
<micmur> Hey LinuxJones
<mass> do I file requests for new modules to be compiled for the 2.6 kernels in ubuntu in the ubuntu bug-tracker?
<linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: Opera isnt FOSS
<micmur> I installed mplayer last night but am not getting any sound
<mass> I always read FOSS as FLOSS
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, yeah I know... but I like it.... :/
<Absenth> FOSS SMOSS....
<Absenth> I just don't like Opera :)
<sabmoc> linux_galore: not to mention there are 50 dialects of Chinese, people say English is taking over the world but the alternative is a lot worse I think, not that Im for the destruction of minority subcultures, but communication with all of them is near impossible.
<mass> the support for my scsi card was merged into the kernel at 2.6.9, but it still isn't turned on for ubuntu releases, just want to one day not have to compile my own
<linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: also Opera has bugger all community support and you dont have a open plugin layer like Firefox
<mass> and accellerate that day to be sooner ;-)
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, opera can use the mozilla/netscape plugins
<micmur> Actually, now I'm getting sound but it's VERY choppy
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, oh you mean extensions?
<linux_galore> sabmoc: no spannish has the highest growth and Chinese dialects are spoken by 53% of the worlds population
<micmur> Anybody? How can I fix this?
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> linux_galore, well firefox + adblock + session saver, is very tempting and I could live with that, yeah...
<linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: yeah extensions and themes
<madstop> Computers just aren't double byte character friendly; too bad, 'cause you can pack a lot of meaning into very few Chinese characters.  CJK characters work great on cell phones, I hear
<Absenth> micmur, are you using oss,
<madstop> linux_galore, I really really doubt that 53% figure.  More like 25%
<micmur> esd
<mass> anyone, where do I make requests for new modules to be 'turned on' in the kernel? do I file bug reports against ubuntu or debian?
<Quinn_Storm> I like the utf-8 method myself, lets you use all the various characters you could possibly ever need...I know its a little harder to parse but it doesn't have the space limits other encodings do
<mass> or just shout here for a while ;-)
<linux_galore> az[a] zel_ubuntu: every feature on Opera now has an extension in Firefox that does the same thing.....there is even an advanced mouse gestures plugin that shows a graphical widget in the middle of the screen to help you remember what gesture you need
<micmur> Last night I installed it, but wasn't getting any sound. As an example, I was on Apple's trailers site
<sabmoc> linux_galore: I didn't know Spanish was the fasting growing, but that makes sense I suppose. Yeah, China is insane. My wife is Chinese, I was just there for holidays last month. Insane.
<Absenth> Micmur I'm using oss, I usually have to killall esd to get things like mplayer to work.
<speel> is there any tools to burn a mpg to a vcd?
<micmur> I'm getting picture and now am getting sound but it's extremely choppy
<Absenth> micmur, maybe you need to kill the oss processes?
<sysfail> i hate firefox
<Quinn_Storm> mass: it would be against ubuntu, they package their own kernels I think
<SiRrUs> mass not sure if shouting will help hoary is pretty much finished
<micmur> How do I kill OSS and what effect would that have on other programs?
<madstop> linux_galore, hunting down firefox extensions, which tend to stop working with new releases, is not my favorite use of time.  Opera has a lot of great features.
<micmur> I.E. if I did that and then wanted to listen to mp3's...
<linux_galore> madstop: nope 53%....that figure was thrown out by one of the worlds leading dialect specialists he has even written a language just to be able to correctly speak any given dialect
<Absenth> micmur, That I can't help you with....  to kill esd I just "killall esd"
<madstop> very good keyboard shortcuts, for example, real fullscreen, beautiful, one key zooming
* sysfail watches MSIE install through crossover office as he speaks
<mass> SiRrUs, I already package my own, I will switch to the next unstable tree, I just want to one day use an official packaged kernel
<sabmoc> madstop: you can use firefox extensions in Opera (I heard, havent tried it.)
<mass> makes a lot of other things easier
<micmur> Absenth: I'll try that now
<Absenth> sysfail, I've got Office 2K, lotus 6.5.2, and a few custom apps all running on cxoffice at work.  cool stuff I tell you,.
<linux_galore> madstop: I have mouse zooming.......and Opera doesnt have "nuke everything"
<micmur> Still happening
<sabmoc> sysfail: why oh why? IE?    W h y?
<madstop> linux_galore, I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me.  The Chinese are one-fifth of the world's population, with overseas Chinese, you can maybe bump that up to one-fourth, but not more than half speaking these "dialects" -- which often are more accurately called languages.
<sysfail> im hoping viewing cams in yahoo messenger will work under crossover
<Absenth> Micksa, I'll turn you over to some of the other experts then.
<sysfail> cause i cant view em in gaim
<linux_galore> madstop: nuke everything - extension in Firefox is great when you get pages not formated for printing you just click on everything you want removed
<madstop> Cantonese and Mandarin for example are mutually unintellible; the written language is essentially however unified
<micmur> Well that didn't work
<micmur> Anybody else have any suggestions?
<sabmoc> madstop: The Chinese population is 1.3 billion living on the mainland and 500million living outside the country.
<linux_galore> madstop: you forget many other countries are tied to the Chinese dialect
<sabmoc> earth population?
<madstop> ok, sabmoc.  Like I said, not more than half the world's population!
<linux_galore> madstop: Japan for one
<SiRrUs> mass not sure what you package I was just suggesting that shouting here was not the way to go :)
<mass> SiRrUs, filed a bug in ubuntu bugzilla
<sysfail> anybody been able to view webcams in GAIM??
<madstop> What other countries?  Singapore? A city state, and Chinese is not all that's spoken there.  Overseas minorities in Malaysia, Indonesia, Canada, US, etc...
<^thehatsrule^> another question here... does ubuntu only comes with
<mass> just need modules compiled for my raid card in official packages ;-)
<^thehatsrule^> gnome?
<^thehatsrule^> does ubuntu only comes with gnome?
<^thehatsrule^> that is
<linux_galore> madstop: your just counting the "100%" chinese dialects you not also counting those dialtect thats derive from one of the chinese dialects
<madstop> linux_galore, good lord, the Japanese speak Japanese.
<madstop> Not Chinese
<SiRrUs> ^thehatsrule^ thats the default
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, yes, the default install of ubuntu is gnome.  you can get kde from synaptic, or through apt.
<linux_galore> madstop: yes study Japanese you will often see a historical reference for words back to a chinese dialect
<^thehatsrule^> i mean, off the cd, could i get flux?
<geneo93> kubutu also
<^thehatsrule^> or do i have to do a hd-install?
<^thehatsrule^> because for now, i want to run off livecd to see how i like it
<SiRrUs> ^thehatsrule^ think you will be running gnome then
<mass> there is still enough similarities to the written chinese language for chinese people in japan to sorta-kinda almost know what is going on
<mass> in written form, not spoken of course :)
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, Unless you grab the kubuntu distro, in which case it'll be a live cd/ with kde
<sabmoc> madstop: they use many of the same written characters (chinese and japanese). But thats about all that most chinese dialects have in common anyway, same written language.
<^thehatsrule^> hm... you cannot change it in the ramdisk?
<^thehatsrule^> or no one has tried ;p
<madstop> We've borrowed a helluva lot of words from French, too, linux_galore , by your reasoning we should add English to the percentage of people who speak French.  Chinese, with Tibetan, occupies its own language family.  Japanese is unrelated, except by borrowing.
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I'd suspect you'ld have to change the distro.  I don't think flux is included in the ISO.
<linux_galore> yeah but the chinese have traded and colonised all around Asian basin and exported there language and culture with it
<madstop> Anyway, this has to be insanely boring and off topic to everybody else here.  Sorry
<geneo93> ^thehatsrule^:  try over on kubuntu channel
<^thehatsrule^> no - i dont want kde
<^thehatsrule^> heh, id like Funbuntu
<^thehatsrule^> lol!
<linux_galore> madstop: yes english has become a bit like the mongrel dialect from hell
<^thehatsrule^> alright - i just thought i could change it in ramdisk
<madstop> Yes, sabmoc.  Writing is a whole other ballgame; complicated by the "simplification" of mainland Chinese.  Different character sets for Taiwan and China now.  Sucks
<sabmoc> madstop: are you from tiawan?
<geneo93> ^thehatsrule^:  there is an iso of kubuntu
<mass> obviously latin has a very large % of usage today
<mass> :)
<Absenth> to get to another off topic, but linux related subject:)
<^thehatsrule^> oh... does kubuntu have flux?
<madstop> heh heh, no sabmoc, I'm not.  But I live in Flushing New York, which is sort of a Taiwanese colony... ;-)
<linux_galore> yeah Taiwan has drifted allot........also one thing the Chinese always seem to ignore is the fact Taiwan has a aboriginal culture way before the chinese turned up
<Absenth> I was tempted to "cd /home" "rm -Rf ." today on the 9 linux servers
<Absenth> the lusers were really pissing me off.
<geneo93> i doubt it
<sabmoc> madstop: its not such a big deal, most people i've met in china speak and can read 3 dialects.
<linux_galore> Chinese always act like they were the first to settle Taiwan but they weren't
<madstop> true, sabmoc, and linux_galore ...
* Xenguy whips out /ignore...
<sabmoc> not to side with the evil chinese empire, but tianwan isnt even recognized as a country by the vast majority of governments today.
<madstop> In Canton, sabmoc, I saw lots of signs exorting the Cantonese to speak Mandarin.  And the signs were written in pinyin (latin characters) which many folks couldn't read!
<linux_galore> China ruled Korea for a long time Im suprised they Chinese havent tried to say Korea isnt a rebel province too
<linux_galore> the*
<sabmoc> i think about 40 governments recognize Tiawan, and a lot of those are small African nations.
<madstop> sabmoc, officially, Taiwan doesn't recognize itself as a country yet, just as a province of China.
<sabmoc> linux_galore: thats because Korea is the original c
<sabmoc> original china
<madstop> good lord, we
<dr_willis> hmm....
<madstop> 've made this the chi-buntu channel!
<dr_willis> reading this artical about fork bombs and ulimit on slashdot.
<sabmoc> lol
<linux_galore> lol
<dr_willis> what sort of defaults does ubuntu use anyway?
<sabmoc> chewbuntu
<linux_galore> dr_willis: yeah those have been around for a while
<linux_galore> dr_willis: easy fix
<mass> fork bombs sound like some sort of home-made fragmentation grenade :P
<madstop> what are fork bombs, dr_willis?
<dr_willis> ulimit  says "unlimited"
<mass> *boom* (forks everywhere)
<linux_galore> just edit /etc/security/limits.conf
<sabmoc> haha
<dr_willis> madstop,  a process where a normal user can basicially take down a system.
<dr_willis> linux_galore,  yea - noticed theres nothing there. (its all comments)
<dr_willis> seems as paranoid as the ubuntu guys are in other areas of security - that there would be some limit allready in place.
<sabmoc> madstop: its where you get an application to fork, creating a new thread, and do that continuously until all the system resources are taken and the system grinds to a halt.
<mass> its part of a class of exploits where the operating system is either misconfigured or incapable of limiting the resources a non-priviledged user account can consume
<madstop> dr_willis, I manage to do that about every third time I use my computer... I'm not an ignorant noob, I'm a fork bomber!
<linux_galore> dr_willis: some nice howto's on the web on securing debian
<sabmoc> you forking bomber!
<dr_willis> of course the actual artical sort of rants aout it being a KERNEL security issue.. then changes its tune and says its a disrto issue.. then back to a kernel issue..
<linux_galore> http://es.tldp.org/Presentaciones/200103hispalinux/jfs2/debiandoc/securing-debian-howto.sgml
* dr_willis is a Spork bomber!
<madstop> Ah, fork bomb -- I thought maybe it was a way for a software project to assassinate rebel developers...
<sabmoc> lol
<linux_galore> you can stop fork bombing with a process manager
<madstop> heh heh -- are there fork-bomb trojans, etc?
<dr_willis> linux_galore,  looks liek that site has been slashdotted. :P or not.. it may be lagged..
<linux_galore> dr_willis: no works fine
<Absenth> You can also stop fork bombing with threats of physical violence against the offending parties.
<mass> dr_willis, maybe it is being fork-bombed?
<dr_willis> linux_galore,  well its up now.. and its showing the HTML code/source.. :P lol..  thats odd...
<madstop> you know, this reminds me, since upgrading to hoary, I haven't had to kill a process once.  Didn't even bother to put an icon for that in a panel, like I did with warty.  Amazing
<Absenth> the guy who runs a coloc server I have a shell on will likely run me over with his jeep a few dozen times if I were to fork bomb his box.
<mass> Absenth, chasing them with a fork seems to work well
<dr_willis> hmm its .sgml
<mass> I think all exploits should be documented in VRML
<linux_galore> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/pdf/Security-Quickstart-HOWTO.pdf
<sabmoc> linux_galore: its pretty hard to stop, even with `killall forkbombedapp` they just spawn so quickly, but yeah its stopable that way if you catch it in time.
<mass> "wow, this is a very BIG exploit"
<linux_galore> theres a good step by step guide on checking and fixing security issues on most Linux machines
* sabmoc wonders how secure ubuntu is out of the box.
<dr_willis> i forkbomed a server in college with batch files calling each other and sending mail :P
<dr_willis> kik
<dweaver> Hello all, I am sorry if I am just jumping in, but this is my first time on IRC.  I have just installed ubuntu and am looking to find a community to discuss it.  is this the right place?
<dr_willis> mass,  heh -
<dr_willis> dweaver,  yep.
<linux_galore> sudo netstat -tap|grep LISTEN   and then sit and worry
<DarthFrog> dweaver: Welcome home.
<madstop> dweaver, it sure is
<sabmoc> hahaha
<sabmoc> sounds like fun linux_galore
<mass> dweaver, if you can sift through non-ubuntu discussions, you are home :)
<linux_galore> lol
<sabmoc> dweaver: yes this is ubuntu, now tell us what you think of tiawan?
<dweaver> thanks for the welcome. let me grab a beer and join the conversation.
<madstop> the channel hasn't been fork-bombed yet, but you never know... ;)
<linux_galore> well if someone asks a question we can answer it
<sabmoc> actually dont
<Absenth> dweaver don't listen to them, I think they are all drunk :)
<madstop> lol sabmoc
* sabmoc wishes he had a beer.. searches floor for hidden cans..
<Asycas> (i wouldn't leave a valuable can of beer on the floor)
* madstop is counting his cigarettes.  always a bad sign
<dr_willis> wow - i am allready getting JUNK mail at my gmail account!
<sabmoc> the funny part is I actually just found one, under some laundry
<dr_willis> and ive given the address to NO one..
<madstop> (there might be a deposit on that can)
<Asycas> *gasps* the secret stash!!!
<mass> dr_willis: it is probably just a brute force attack
<linux_galore> dr_willis: I just converted my gmail account into a network disk lol
<sabmoc> *pop* fizz
<DarthFrog> Asycas: It might be excellent security by obscurity.  A full one, hidden amongst all the empties. :-)
<linux_galore> Gmail account = 1Gb network disk.........just drag and drop file on it
<madstop> (I think I stashed some cigarettes in that can.  Hope it was empty)
<Asycas> haha!! O:-)
<mass> someone should add a spork() system call
<sabmoc> linux_galore: on linux? impressive, I used that on a windows machine
<DarthFrog> someone should put beer in my fridge. :-)
<linux_galore> sabmoc: yeah been on Linux for a while
<madstop> DarthFrog, "security by obscurity"  -- I like that.
<sabmoc> linux_galore: but only 10meg per attachment :(
<Square> does hoary come with a firewall with a gui config, or do I need to install one?
<sam2> today is my birthday, wow im 19
<madstop> be nice if I could upload my whole /home partition to gmail
<sabmoc> Square: apt-get install firestarter
<sabmoc> Square: its very similar to Zone Alarm
<linux_galore> sabmoc: heh heh in Linux there is a trick were it uses the split command to break the file up  then when it comes back to the localhost it combines it again
<Square> thanx
<sabmoc> linux_galore: oh man, beautiful
<madstop> spork system call?  that reminds me, is there a spork bomb too?
<dr_willis> heh 5 spam on gmail.. vs 141 on hotmail. :P
<Square> just ran a check and only like 2 ports are stealthed lol
<janc> DarthFrog : just checked the fridge & the beer is cold  :)
<linux_galore> sabmoc: so no 10mb limit (not as far as the user can see but its a technical limit)
<dweaver> sabmoc: back from getting my beer.  Haven't been to tiawan yet so I can't comment.  I have been as far east as Moscow, though that was many years ago.
* DarthFrog is heading over to janc's place.
<sabmoc> DarthFrog: I thought your name was DeathFog
<madstop> Gmail makes webmail pretty damn wonderful, I must say
<sabmoc> madstop: yes it does, gmail is goodness
* DarthFrog thinks sabmoc might have had too much beer. :-)
<Xenguy> DarthFrog: there's no such thing as too much beer
<sabmoc> I've only had 1 i swear!
<madstop> I was in Taiwan for an hour and a half.  Nice airport.
<DarthFrog> Xenguy: Speaking from long, long personal & painful experience: Yes there is.
<sabmoc> linux_galore: thats is a place I would love to visit, always wanted to go to russia
<linux_galore> sabmoc: you can use split with any file type really......I used it once for a huge xvid movie file plit it into two files and burned each fragment to a CD then what i did was copy each fragment to the hardisk then cat filename* >> newfilename
<plagerism> WTF is up with gnome-terminal in 2.10?? I lost all functionality, now all I have is a gay box, no tabs, no menus, just gay box
<janc> well, I'm drinking scotch now (hm, 6.21am, should I go get some sleep? ;)
<dr_willis> Hmm... I got Spam on "You can Be a Cop" and "Free Condoms" those are new ;P not seen that sort of spam befor - lol
<Xenguy> DarthFrog: I think the word "personal" is relevant (different strokes for different folks and all that)
<dr_willis> plagerism,  vs a 'straight' box?
<madstop> janc, go ahead, but leave the bottle here, would you?
<sabmoc> madstop: I was there for 4 hours, nice but boring airport lol
<linux_galore> sabmoc: Russia is horrible
<plagerism> dr_willis, no it has no menus
<eyequeue> plagerism:  please drop the homophobia
<sabmoc> linux_galore: thats what makes it so russian
* DarthFrog notes it's 9:21 PM.  Somehow, I don't think that janc is local to me.  Darn. :-)
<plagerism> But I just found right click, sorry it just startled me
<linux_galore> sabmoc: especially Moscow
<plagerism> eyequeue, gay has nothing to do with homophobia
<Xenguy> plagerism: what eyequeue said
<linux_galore> sabmoc: I mean horrible beyond words
<eyequeue> plagerism:  two of us find it offensive
<sabmoc> linux_galore: :( its too bad communism fell
<plagerism> would you rather I call it queer?? How about odd
<madstop> I was in Japan for a couple hours too.  Freakin' idiot not to have gotten a visa for at least a quick look at the country before going on to HK
<eyequeue> plagerism:  i have no need to tolerate this
<sabmoc> Janc your drinking scotch at 6am? You sir are a bastard, and I salute you.
<linux_galore> sabmoc: you cant do anything unless you pay a bribe......want to fart pay a bribe.......want to cross the road without getting flattened .pay a bribe
<Mguel721> how you all doing?
<madstop> and Anchorage was pretty cool at ten in the morning in December, looking like the middle of the night
<DarthFrog> linux_galore: Where is that?
<linux_galore> DarthFrog: moscow
<Mguel721> can anyone help
<dweaver> Can I ask were you all are from?
<Madiba> HI ALL IM BACK
<Madiba> why does freenode ping your pc when u log on?
<DarthFrog> Mguel721: Just ask your question.  If anyone can help, they will.
<alindeman> Madiba: Open proxy check
<plagerism> Anyways I fixed my situation, and I apoligize for the usage of the word gay, I mean queer, or odd or stupid, not homosexual cause how could a box be homosexual
<madstop> I'm from New York State, dweaver, and in New York City
<Madiba> alindeman : thanks
<madstop> you?
<alindeman> Madiba: np
<sabmoc> linux_galore: communism=everyone had a job, lots of pointless meaningless jobs, but at least everyone could buy food. Its sad how bad russia has become. I dont think they will ever recover.
<linux_galore> hmmm orange iMAC.....now thats gay  lol
<dweaver> madstop: I used to work there. 33rd st.  got transfered to ohio 15 yrs agos.
<geneo93> dweaver:  where in ohio are you
<dweaver> north of cinci right now.
<linux_galore> sabmoc: the problem is in russia they dont have the long existing culture that deals with capitalism
<geneo93> i'm just 35 miles west of toledo
<sabmoc> linux_galore: I hate to be pessimistic, I grew up with russia as a really cool and mysterious place but I really dont think it will ever recover. Yes, thats the problem exactly. And they way they are learning to deal with it is only going to make it worse.
<madstop> membreya -- "erection reset???"
<madstop> lol
<sabmoc> erection reset?what the?!?
<dweaver> geneo93: I love the Noreth Coast.  Ever heard of Pat Dailey?
<linux_galore> sabmoc: eastern Russia is great the people are nice and they still love communism and in many cases still practice it
<madstop> that's why membreya is in and out so much tonight, I guess
<geneo93> the mayor
<dweaver> the bard of lake erie
<DarthFrog> Nothing wrong with communism in theory, other than it ignores human behaviour and tends to promote totalitarianism.
<Square> there have been very few communistic countires , russia was close but even then people in power had more then everyone else
<janc> dweaver : Bruges, Belgium  :)
<linux_galore> sabmoc: in eastern russia they dont have hotels as such just drop in and say hello and they will give you a bed for the price of some news
<geneo93> well i've heard the name before
<Absenth> there's nothing wrong with Totalitarianism, as long as I, and my Legions of Doom are the ones in charge of it.
<dweaver> janc: never been there.  Good beer I've heard.
<Absenth> I think we can trust sabmoc and his horde as well.
<janc> Belgium has good beers, yes  :)
<sabmoc> DarthFrog: the problem with communism is that it needs as you say, totalitarianist centralized government who put themselves outside the communist loop. I dont think you can fix communism.
<linux_galore> yeah but Belgium has very high tax's
<sabmoc> Absenth: I vote for Absenth
<madstop> and good novelists-- Georges Simenon, one of my favorites
<dweaver> geneo93:ever get to put-in-bay?
<geneo93> dweaver:  how nouth of cinci
<janc> 'high' taxes but also the 'highest' social security...
<sabmoc> linux_galore: thats very cool
<geneo93> dweaver:  oh yes the wine festival
<dweaver> geneo93:Liberty Twp - about 20 miles
<Absenth> sweet!
<Madiba> sabmoc:
<Square> in an ideal communism you wouldnt have any need for money if you needed something you would get it, but it seldom works out that way
<geneo93> aff i've been through there many times
<sabmoc> Madiba: try running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<Absenth> Under my regime, Expect many lusers to be beaten with the clue by four of destiny
<linux_galore> sabmoc: I would drop in a small village and look for a bed and often I would leave the village the next day with a pack full of food
<dweaver> geneo93: how long have you been using ubuntu?
<geneo93> about 3 months
<Madiba> sabmoc: how do i do that?
<linux_galore> sabmoc: hear allot have has changed though lately
<linux_galore> heard allot of that has changed lately *
<sabmoc> Madiba: `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` run that on a command line.
<geneo93> hoary is great
<linux_galore> dont try watch 3 channels at the same time lol
<calc> linux_galore: only 3?
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<dweaver> geneo93:any other linux before that?  I started in 99 with some Red Hat Multi Boot but got away from it.  I have now decided to give Uncle Bill the boot.
<DarthFrog> Hide the cheese!  da_bon_bon's here! :-)
<sabmoc> linux_galore: thats too bad, but I think its only a matter of time before those pockets get absorbed by the rest of the russian culture, similar to how big chains are always trying to make inroads in small towns here in the west. Only in russia the big chains are mafia.
<geneo93> dweaver:  i started with red hat 6.2
<sabmoc> then again, they are mafia here too, we just dont know it
* sabmoc grabs his tinfoil hat
<dampjam_> I have a laptop that uses a touch pad, and I Just plugged in a usb mouse.  How do I get it to work?
<geneo93> around 1999
<da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: :)
<dampjam_> (preferably with the touchpad still working)
<da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: i ate all of it already :)
<DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Oh, that's where it went. :-)
<bj_> hello hello
<sabmoc> dampjam_: first you go to the internet, you do research, you come back when that has failed after several attempts. :)
<Madiba> sabmoc : can i run thatt from within safe mode
<dampjam_> argh
<bj_> When can we dist-upgrade to grumpy
<sabmoc> Madiba: I think so
<Quinn_Storm> dampjam_: make sure your xorg.conf is pointed to /dev/input/mice
<sabmoc> dampjam_: haha
<calc> bj_: probably after hoary is released
<Madiba> sabmoc ok ill try i last thing where dom i find the command line thing is it at the terminal thingy lol excuse my ignorance
<dweaver> geneo93: I have to us microsoft at work since that is what I develoe in but it is realy nice to make the move to linux at home.  how do you use it?
<DarthFrog> bj_: Well, hoary hasn't even been released yet.  And the release following that is Breezy Badger.
<sabmoc> I think I should go get some work done before Im too drunk to do it properly.
<dampjam_> Quinn_storm: it is
<sabmoc> lol, that came out all wrong
<Quinn_Storm> dampjam_: not sure then, sorry
<linux_galore> sabmoc: so true
<calc> dampjam_: not according to the wiki at least
<calc> er oops wrong nickcomplete
<dweaver> Has any body had an audio problem with the latest hoary?
<sabmoc> Madiba: yes, the command line, you can call it a terminal or a shell, same thing.
<geneo93> well i was admin a t a factory for 8 yrs with ms crap
<calc> dweaver: not me, but i haven't rebooted in a few months
<sabmoc> ok, bbl guys
<calc> dweaver: so i am still using an old kernel
<Mguel721> Has anyone installed bluefish-1.0?
<Madiba> thank you have a drink for me its to early here lol
<sirukin> hmmm
<calc> 2.6.10-2-amd64-k8
<geneo93> 4 servers and 85 worksttions
<sirukin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamHowto
<madstop> dweaver, I haven't even tried audio yet, 'cause I'm so pissed that I can't use realplayer with hoary. amd64.
<dampjam_> Wow it works now!!!!
<sirukin> anyone started a canadian team?
<Tugg> sab a terminal is an app a shell is an interface to the os, a bit of a difference
<Square> I may try and break free of windows now that ive tried hoary+kde3.4+translucany
<^thehatsrule^> lol... wait until longhorn....
* Square can't spell
<geneo93> Square:  i did that in 1999
<dampjam_> square: just make sure you load wine so you can use ie, firefox has too many security flaws to use
<Tugg> hat: we will all be dead
<calc> with longhorn you get better graphics plus unbreakable drm for free ;)
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<Square> lol
<Mguel721> I tried installing bluefish-1.0 and received the following:
<^thehatsrule^> the recommeneded processor is 4-6 ghz dual core
<Mguel721> checking for gcc ... no
<madstop> firefox currently sucks.  I'm using epiphany.  Don't know if it's better or not.
<Tugg> i love firefox
<^thehatsrule^> firefox is good - when its loaded ;p
<Mguel721> checking for cc ... no
<Quinn_Storm> I don't know why people say firefox sucks...but then it could be personal preference
<Tugg> but in hoary some of the icons are missing
<^thehatsrule^> Mguel721, install gcc?
<Tugg> so I DLed a new icon theme
<madstop> firefox 1.1whatever is buggy in ubuntu
<calc> Quinn_Storm: yea it works great here
<madstop> on my system anyway
<bj_> Hoaryyyys frozen though
<Square> iv'e been useing linux off and on sence 1996 but something end up couseing me to go back to windows
<sirukin> it's that same "Personal Preferance" that causes people to diss something that works in light of there not knowing any alternatives
<calc> i have managed to make it crash once in the past couple months
<Mguel721> how do I do that???
<sabmoc|work> Mguel721: why are you trying to compile bluefish, it is in the apt repository. just `apt-get install bluefish`
<janc> firefox 1.0.1 misses some 'gnome-style' icons
<dweaver> My initial installl had sound although low volume.  I did the update that was recommended through GNOME today and now I don't have any sound.  This was why I left MS!
<geneo93> i would not use ie if you paid me a 100 bucks a use
<janc> but the Gnome-FX theme has them right...
<sabmoc|work> Square: my problem is photoshop, its hard to break that addiction. Not that gimp isnt great, it really is awesome. I use gimp and photoshop.
<madstop> thing about windows is, there are a lot of great apps that don't (yet?) have as good alternatives in linux.  At least not that are easy for a newbie like me to find and run
<^thehatsrule^> theres no photoshop for linux?
<Tugg> no
<sabmoc|work> ^thehatsrule^: nope
<madstop> and I'm referring to free or open source stuff
<geneo93> dweaver:   you have warty or hoary
<Tugg> gimp is better thought
<^thehatsrule^> good thing for windows is GAMES! :D
<madstop> I hate the media players in linux so far
<Square> mine was normaly games my mmorpgs, but sick of them now lol
<^thehatsrule^> xine is nice
<calc> totem-xine is good as well
<Tugg> cause it has 90% of the features and doesnt cost an arm a leg and a right nut
<madstop> except xine, and even there, I prefer Bsplayer in windows
<sabmoc|work> votes for totem-xine
<farruinn> madstop: imo multi-media is the linux desktop's weakest point
<calc> photoshop used to be available for solaris but not for linux
<sabmoc|work> farruinn: color management is pretty weak too
<mhandl> Does anybody knows , how to set up default sound card, when you have onboard VIA 82xx, SB Audigy + USB Logitech WebCam, I can not get a sound from it.
<madstop> I agree, farruinn.  Of course, adding to the problem, with ubuntu especially, is the whole proprietary software tangle
<Mguel721> sabmoc|work: I got this in return - E: Couldn't find package bluefish
<dweaver> geneo93: I have hoary.  I've always been about the bleeding edge.
<janc> sabmoc|work : Adobe has just released their GUI-description-code as open source, so maybe that will help a linux port  ;-)
<sabmoc|work> Mguel721: you need to add universe to your apt repository list. check the documentation.
<farruinn> madstop: that there is the big problem, closed formats, etc
<geneo93> dweaver:  same here
<Square> my only complaint about ubuntu is the apt repositories are a bit broken at the moment hopefully fixed soon
<Quinn_Storm> Square: mine are fine...what are you having troubles with?
<geneo93> dweaver:  used mandrake for years till i found this
<farruinn> Square: broken? ow?
<janc> http://opensource.adobe.com/
<farruinn> or how?
<Square> kernel source for horry not in it for one
<sabmoc|work> janc yes, but as far as i've heard its is just c++ templates for gui's which is nice, but not going to give us photoshop anytime soon.
<janc> not yet, but it might help
<Pawnomatic> ubuntu rocks
<sabmoc|work> janc yes
<Mguel721> sabmoc|work who do I view the documentation?
<Pawnomatic> just had to tell somone
<sabmoc|work> Pawnomatic: we know
<Square> and a few other packages ive tried to install complaind about missing files
<Mguel721> where do I go
<Pawnomatic> it just makes me so happy..... haha
<Mguel721> can u please help
<janc> OTOH, if The GIMP would use liblcms, that would help professional graphics designers too...
<sabmoc|work> Mguel721: yes
<madstop> Square, Ive had similar problems.
<sabmoc|work> Mguel721: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
<Mguel721> thanx
<calc> Square: i'm downloading the linux source off the mirror right now, perhaps your system is broken?
<dweaver> Yeh, that was my last distro too.  In fact I was looking at loading Mandrake tonight now that my audio has quit.  I just like Ubuntu too much to switch right now.
<sabmoc|work> janc I hear it does now, they finally got the message.
<sirukin> anyone canadian here?
<sabmoc|work> me, eh!
<DarthFrog> dweaver: I've been running Mandrake for years, ever since Mdk 7.0.  I've decided to switch to Ubuntu.
<geneo93> dweaver:  i have cooker 10.2 on here along with slack 10.0 and suse 9.2
<DarthFrog> sirukin: Eh?  :-)  I'm in BC.
<janc> well, anyone doing work for print can't do that without decent CMYK support...
<farruinn> dweaver: if the audio problem is caused by a kernel upgrade you could just boot with the older kernel...
<sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: me2
<dweaver> DarthFrog: What made you switch?
<Square> I dont know but the source for 2.6.10 isnt listed in synaptic
<sirukin> I'd like to start a canadian local team
<sirukin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamHowto
<geneo93> dweaver:  its not cutting edge anymore
<sirukin> strip down the hoary release, update packages, release
<sirukin> hoary preview*
<DarthFrog> dweaver: Both positive and negative features.  I was getting really, really annoyed with Mandrake's update policy, that things are pretty much only available to club members.
<dweaver> geneo93: damn- don't have the horsepower to run that many distros.
<sabmoc|work> sirukin: wow, interesting
<DarthFrog> dweaver: Aside from any political issues, Ubuntu is a superb linux.
<dweaver> farrium: I am just back to linux, how hard is that?
<DarthFrog> dweaver: And politically, I really like Ubuntu's credo.  I love the concept of ubuntu.
<geneo93> oh i have 6 scsi's plus two 75 gig ides
<sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: what political issues?
<sirukin> mmm
<DarthFrog> dweaver: and lastly, Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, is in the Isle of Man.  That's where I'm from. :-)
<sirukin> ubuntu "has" it, the other distro's are aimed at the developer or bussiness workstation
<geneo93> dweaver:  this is a dualy
<DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: The Ubuntu manifesto.
<janc> 'humanity to others'?  :)
<sirukin> Ubuntu is for the user, and it just simply....rocks as far as maintaining the gnu in gnu/linux
<sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: whats wrong with a manifesto?
<madstop> well put, sirukin
<dweaver> DarthFrog: Please expand on the political issue w/ Ubuntu.  Being the ugly American I tend to be politiclly niave(sp)
<madstop> why do I find myself thinking that gnome has a very different mindset and attitude toward users, though?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: Nothing.  I'm saying that's one of the things I love about Ubuntu.
<madstop> I don't know anything about the gnome project, but a lot of their choices seem less than user-friendly
<dweaver> The guy behind Ubuntu went to space, right?
<DarthFrog> dweaver: Go to www.ubuntu.com and read it.  Then come back.
<madstop> The man behind canonical went to space
<madstop> I assume ubuntu existed in some form prior to Canonical's backing, I don't know --
<sabmoc|work> I dont think so
<DarthFrog> Mark Shuttleworth got $500 million for the sale of Thawte Consulting to Verisign.  He was a space tourist. :-)
<sirukin> anyone else from canada?
<DarthFrog> madstop: Nope.  Ubuntu is crunchy new. :-)
<sabmoc|work> hmmm
<sabmoc|work> kekeke
<sabmoc|work> ok, shutup all of you, i must work!
<janc> lol
<dweaver> DarthFrog:  Sorry, I am not one to ask questions before reading the faq.  Just been sitting here drinking and asked the question.  I'll do my research.
<mhandl> sirukin: I,m from BC
<DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: Don't let us disturb you. :-)
<Square> its realy amazing how fast ubuntu has grown, last year hardly anyones heard of it, now its right up with mandrake/redhat/debian
<sirukin> yeah, get thee to work
* sirukin cracks whip
<DarthFrog> dweaver: It's just that they explain it better than I could.
* sabmoc|work ignores all of you ubuntu'ers and pretends to work
<madstop> great for debian itself, to have ubuntu drawing in so many new users
<DarthFrog> madstop: And with Ubuntu being a great desktop Debian, it also promotes the ideals of Debian.
<geneo93> well i shyed away from debian for a long time
<dweaver> DarthFrog: OK, I justg thought you were one of those Read The Faq Stupid kind of people.
<Square> maybe debain will realse a new version soon, 3.0 getting pritty old lol
<Xenguy> (and credit to debian too, for being that 'awesome foundation' :-)
<Xenguy> DarthFrog: absolutely
<DarthFrog> dweaver: No, I'm not.  If it's obvious that someone wants me to do their work for them,  I can be ... difficult. :-)  But if someone is asking honestly, I try to be helpful.
<geneo93> the so called intergation of python makes it great
<dweaver> geneo93: what brought you to Ubuntu if you shyed away from debian?
<DarthFrog> geneo93: There's nothing so-called about it.  Ubuntu has offered a bounty for getting greater use of Python in the wider community.
<geneo93> well mandrake is like lost all itss good developers so whats one to do
<DarthFrog> dweaver: We were all newbies once.  I try to remember that. :-)
<DarthFrog> And there still a significant part of me that holds onto the idealism of the '60's. :-)
<Square> last time I installed mandrake its f'ed up my mbr so bad I had to low level format to use hda.. never useing it again
<janc> what I like about Ubuntu : it tries to be nice to newbies without shying away experienced users
<madstop> I'm not even a programmer, and only marginally computer literate, but what little I've seen of python in use, really impresses me.  I may actually try to learn it.
<dweaver> DarthFrog:  I guess I am a Newbie once again.  Now if we can just do that with virginity!
<jdub> DarthFrog: ubuntu is more than just "desktop" debian :)
<madstop> when I grow some more brain cells.
<DarthFrog> janc: Zigzactly!  it's great for beginner and expert, alike.
<Quinn_Storm> madstop: if you can get on irc and use ubuntu you're fairly computer literate
<FlyNavy> Hello everyone
<calamari> hi
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  its something some others have been riping on me about python being slow .i just didn't say it right
<DarthFrog> jdub: How do you see it?
<dweaver> FlyNavy: What did you fly?
<Xenguy> jdub: How would you characterize Ubuntu then?
<JDahl> is there a deeper reason why Canonical is pursuing Arch instead of subversion, or is that just a matter of coincidence?
<FlyNavy> H2 Seasprite
<madstop> thank you Quinn_Storm ; unfortunately, when it comes to the programming side of things, I've never made it past "hello world!" in anything!
<DarthFrog> geneo93: If python is too slow, let them code C. :-)
<geneo93> hey i have subversion
<jdub> DarthFrog: it kicks butt for servers too, it just happens to have a really awesome desktop
<Xenguy> jdub: I see where yer coming from
<Quinn_Storm> madstop: that I understand, not everyone's a programmer
<geneo93> python just kills php
<DarthFrog> jdub: Not arguing against using Ubuntu for servers but why wouldn't you use regular Debian for that?
<Xenguy> DarthFrog: a fair question IMO
<jdub> DarthFrog: because ubuntu is newer, has excellent security support, etc.
<sabmoc|work> Is the server end of ubuntu substantially different from debian?
<FlyNavy> Can anyone help with display problems on install?
<jdub> DarthFrog: big difference betweeen warty and woody :)
<DarthFrog> jdub: OK, I've not investigated that.
<geneo93> twisted and nevou
<Xenguy> jdub: well newer isn't always better :-) , and I think Debian has excellent security support really
<janc> geneo93 : 'nevow'  :)
<madstop> jdub, how much influence, if any, does the ubuntu team have with the gnome developers?  Is there cooperation happening there?
<jdub> Xenguy: it's very difficult to provide solid support for woody
<DarthFrog> jdub: Yeah, woody is old now.  But sarge isn't.
<pinPoint> anyone with experience concerning ndiswrapper and wireless nic
<geneo93> well i forgot how to spell
<jdub> madstop: lots of gnome people involved in ubuntu
<Xenguy> jdub: that will change RSN :-)
<jdub> madstop: i do release strategy for ubuntu, and am release manager of gnome
<janc> geneo93 : it's 'woven' spelled backwards
<sig> anyone know what package  mpeg2encode comes in?
<janc> 'woven' was the predecessor of 'nevow'
<jdub> Xenguy: mmm, it's been RSN for a long time now. meanwhile, i trust the ubuntu release cycle and security team. :)
<geneo93> lots of threads
<madstop> Ah, jdub. Great.  Well, since this ain't the "gnome channel" I'll try to restrain myelf from interrogating you about gnome
<Square> woody is too old for some newer hardware
<Xenguy> jdub: hence my smiley - it's a bone of contention, for sure
<madstop> especially since I need to do my homework on it
<pinPoint> my wireless card says its active yet it never DHCP
<DarthFrog> jdub: Let's agree, then, that Ubuntu makes for a truly excellent desktop Linux.
<pinPoint> it doenst do anything
<Xenguy> DarthFrog: I'll raise my glass to that :-)
<DarthFrog> Xenguy: I just did. :-)  Rum & coke.
<pinPoint> iwlist wlan0 scan returns "No Scan results"
<geneo93> yuk
<pinPoint> i have the network ssid and key correct
<Xenguy> DarthFrog: beer here, er, hear hear! :-)
<siruki> hmm
<siruki> weired
<siruki> weird*
<siruki> atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e03e <keycode>' to make it known.
<Quinn_Storm> pinPoint: if you are using a non-broadcasted ssid you shouldn't be able to pick it up on scan, should you?
<siruki> x froze on that
<siruki> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17705
<pinPoint> you're right
<pinPoint> so then why doesnt it work
<bryan> siruki:  multimedia keyboard?
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Can it connect with out encryption?
<pinPoint> the ssid is correct and key
<pinPoint> well im using the Network app
<madstop> jdub, any chance that gdesklets, (speaking of cool python stuff) might be integrated into gnome/ubuntu, and made easier for folks to use out of the box?
<Quinn_Storm> pinPoint: I don't know...don't know enough about wireless under linux, I'm using a win bridge machine to connect to my wireless b/c my card isn't linux supported
<pinPoint> doesnt give that much options at all
<chisno> hi
<dweaver> can someone explain in a few short words how Ubuntu is going to differ from Debian in the future?  I heard on an interview that they were going to fork buthen merge changes back in, is this correect?
<sabmoc|work> hmm
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: My advice would be to turn off encryption on the router and get it working that way first.
<sabmoc|work> I thought I told you all to stop chatting and go home.
<DarthFrog> dweaver: Yes.
<madstop> I mean to say, offered with the default install, I know gdesklets are available, just tricky for a noob to use...
<pinPoint> turn it off?
<pinPoint> eek
<DarthFrog> sabmoc|work: But I'm at home, Kemo Sabe!
<sabmoc|work> DarthFrog: ok, you can stay, everybody else go home.
<dweaver> I'm home also, must be time for another beer.
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Well, don't do any on-line banking during that time. :-)  Other than that, what do you care?
<janc> hm, seems like MonoDevelop isn't really very stable yet...
<madstop> sabmoc|work, have another drink and get back to work, dammit
<jdub> madstop: doubt it
<sabmoc|work> madstop: but I only had 1 beer left and its half gone already.
<dweaver> Anybody working with Mono yet?
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: so its ok if someone enters your network at home from outside
<siruki> hmm
<siruki> sorry
<sabmoc|work> dweaver: I flirted with it for a while. The mono channel on irc.gnome.org is pretty good.
<madstop> ok jdub, how about this -- wholescale stealing of kde applets to add to the panel options in gnome?  starting with the kde screenshot app -- gnome's is primitive in comparison...
<siruki> was watching the thing on history tv about the canadian snipers
<pinPoint> it doesnt work with key disabled
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: You're only talking about a short while.  And if you're all that hot & bothered about it, disconnect the router from its net connection; the DHCP server will still work and you can ping the router for testing.
<dweaver> sabmoc:  I just picked up a new keg today.  You are welcome to stop by.
<siruki> yeah, it's a logitech access keyboard
<sabmoc|work> oh man
<siruki> any ideas?
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: not working... key is disabled
<Marble2> okay, some stuff in my gnome setup is really messed up. my mouse doesn'
<pinPoint> pinged yahoo.com
<Marble2> *doesn't work at the gnome login screen
<Marble2> and some stuff pops up every time I login
<mark_> where do you find video card settings
<Marble2> I don't know how to make it not do that, messing with stuff in session properties does nothign
<dweaver> sabmoc: do you work with .Net?
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: OK, now you know that it wasn't your encryption setup.  You have to get the basic functionality working before enabling WEP/WPA.
<sabmoc|work> "some stuff" can you be more specific?
<sabmoc|work> dweaver: no
<madstop> half the time hoary turns my touchpad off at boot.  fortunately there's a button I can push to start it, on this laptop.
<Marble2> sabmoc|work: opens a nautilus in my user home and opens session setup
<pinPoint> it installed without problems
<janc> dweaver : I need C# for evening school, so want to use it, if possible...
<pinPoint> not this again
<pinPoint> crap
<mark_> or how do you access the settings in ubuntu
<siruki> hmm
<siruki> hmm
<geneo93> i would like to see a complete wm built with python
<madstop> Worst annoyance in hoary so far for me is, much of the time I'm not permitted to save stuff on the desktop, or the icons get pushed half way off the screen, and some apps open partway hidden by panels
<sabmoc|work> janc having taken programming I can say that your probably going to need a windows machine, not that mono isnt awesome, it is. But chances are your going to be doing some windows.forms stuff and god knows what else and for that your probably going to have to spend more time than its worth screwing with mono.
* DarthFrog is starting to really hate the CapsLock key.  Blasted nuisance.
<siruki> any ideas?
<siruki> gnome/xorg freezes
<dweaver> janc: I am currently developing C# on windows.   I am looking into using it at home to further my knowledge.  I am not encouraged with its current state but am hoeful.
<sabmoc|work> siruki have you graded everything?
<janc> sabmoc|work : we have both VB.NET & C#, and I use SharpDevelop on Windows now
<siruki> upgraded?
<siruki> I just left it downloading packages now
<janc> but for C# we don't use Windows.Forms
<dweaver> Windows.Forms is coming soon for Mono.
<madstop> sabmoc, back to work man.  no more beer.  you're dropping syllabes
<nicedreams> has anyone noticed a big problem with Hoary Preview 1?
<sabmoc|work> siruki make sure everything is up to date, then do `dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg` because if its crashing its probably not setup right.
<nicedreams> performance decrease and stuff
<sabmoc|work> madstop: lol
<siruki> mmm
<siruki> kay
<siruki> I'll try that
<dweaver> My only problem with Hoary so far is that my audio stopped working.
<nicedreams> yea..that too
<siruki> heh
<bryan> nicedreams:  it's a little laggy for me, and i've got 2.8ghz P4 with 1024MB ram
<nicedreams> i installed fluxbox and sound works fine
<geneo93> nicedreams:  apt-get dist-upgrade
<nicedreams> laggy for me too
<siruki> vlc and mplayer as well as totem won't use the correct sound device
<nicedreams> geneo93: I did about 20 mins ago
<sabmoc|work> janc monodevelop is pretty nice, im not sure how it stacks vs sharpdevelop because I never got around to using sharpdevelop.
<siruki> the onboard sound card is what I want to disable, and it uses it for some things
<nicedreams> and 12 hours before that
<siruki> hmm
<bryan> well, i actually only have 768 to use, because my onboard video uses up 128MB of it
<nicedreams> sound works in fluxbox
<nicedreams> try it out
<DarthFrog> siruki: Wouldn't you disable the on-board sound card in the BIOS?
<geneo93> everythings working fine for me
<dweaver> laggy? I'm on a 433 laptop and love it.  ... OK, I switched from XP trying to do .Net development.:)
<nicedreams> geneo93: did you upgrade or install from cd preview 1?
<sabmoc|work> waddles away to work
<DarthFrog> bryan: That's way too much memory to give onboard video.  32 MB would be plenty.
<geneo93> upgrade from warty
<janc> sharpdevelop has a gui designer & all
<nicedreams> turn off on board video and get a real video card
<bryan> DarthFrog:  i shouldn't need more then 512 to for everything to run smoothly
<dweaver> janc: what is sharpdeveolp?
<siruki> DarthFrog: I am using windows, and it needs the onboard sound or it produces artefacts
<Quinn_Storm> dweaver: its a very nice IDE for doing .NET development for windows...not sure if its available for other platforms
<bryan> lets just say, XP is atleast 30% faster in response times compared to Hoary
<janc> dweaver : open source IDE for .NET on Windows
<nicedreams> siruki upgrade your windows drivers
* sabmoc|work thinks the wave of the future is pascal, it will drive all those .Net and Java developers out of business.
<nicedreams> siruki, wait, you get artifacts with it on?
* sabmoc|work will finally be useful
<DarthFrog> bryan: Perhaps.  But Linux uses RAM very efficiently.  You're depriving it of RAM that it could otherwise use for buffers/cache.
<nicedreams> siruki, err off i mian
<nicedreams> mean
<dweaver> So stick with Mono on Linux?
* DarthFrog wants some of what sabmoc|work is smoking. :-)
<sabmoc|work> dweaver: if your on linux, mono is your best option
<sabmoc|work> lol @ DarthFrog
<bryan> DarthFrog:  right now with bittorrent downloading @ 400kB/s and 4 tabs of firefox open + xchat ahd GAIM i'm only using up 250MB
<janc> sabmoc|work : after using BASIC on my ZX Spectrum & then GW Basic, I've used Turbo Pascal a lot   :-)
<DarthFrog> bryan: Your call.
<janc> hm, I should check FreePascal on Ubuntu...
<Square> I miss C64 basic ;)
<dweaver> Am on Linux at home now, had enough and just loaded Ubuntu over XP.  Still on windows at work but have to work with VS.Net there.
<bryan> that still leaves 650mb to either be cached or sit unused
<geneo93> hey i have two chat client gong getting updates and watching tv
<sabmoc|work> janc: nice, did you know the man who invented turbo pascal is head of the C# development team
<DarthFrog> bryan: It won't sit unused. :-)
<dweaver> FreePascal?  Anything like PowerBuilder?
<janc> sabmoc|work : he invented Delphi, not Turbo Pascal
<sabmoc|work> janc ah my bad
<sabmoc|work> same thing :P
<bryan> I'm probably going to end up splurging on a nice new video card and motherboard
<janc> dweaver : FreePascal is an Object Pascal compiler
* DarthFrog is going AFK for bit.  Gonna take my dog for a walk.  BBIAB.
<siruki> hmmm
<sabmoc|work> dont forget to scoop
<janc> Lazarus is an open source RAD tool like Delphi
<dweaver> Isn't PowerBuilder based on Pascal?
<siruki> bryan: we share a name
* siruki smirks
<janc> which uses FreePascal
<geneo93> bryan:  get a quad xeon
<janc> i've never used PowerBuilder
<bryan> no need for that
<sabmoc|work> geneo93: no, get a dual amd64 with pci-express and an nvidia-quadro card, ooooOOooooo.....
* sabmoc|work drools
<bryan> i'd rather wait for dual core chips
<linux_galore> always try gambas or "realbasic"
<janc> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/
<geneo93> not me i shy away from amd
<madstop> I'm loving amd64 so far, but I'm no expert.
<bryan> i've never had an AMD, but the FX series looks tempting
<zenrox> geneo93,  2 irc clients both open on 2 different macines all on one montor
<sabmoc|work> dualcore opterons will own all your bases!
<zenrox>  bbl
<linux_galore> wtf -f gambas|grep -i "http//":
<sabmoc|work> zmog!!
<bryan> but i'll stick my with P4 for now, 2.8ghz should last me a while
<dweaver> I know while I was getting a beer something was said about Python, but I have to ask a question.  Is Python something an MS Developer should try to learn if switching to Linux or would you recomend something else?
<geneo93> bryan:  i'd like to have one of those dual mini itx jobs
<membreya> bryan: getting a bit dated :P
<Square> silly question perhaps but does linux on amd 64 support running 32 bit apps
<bryan> membreya:  hardly
<linux_galore> wtf -f gambas|grep -i http::
<linux_galore>  http://gambas.sourceforge.net/
<membreya> Square: it does, but you have to chroot it
<Square> k
<bryan> 2.8ghz P4 still beats any 32bit athlon
<membreya> my bad bryan .. i think my amd64 3200 is dated
<janc> dweaver : every developer should learn python
<janc> windows, linux, macosx, whatever
<bryan> i've been trying some python
<ells> does anyone know why gtkpod wont import mp4s
<bryan> it's pretty easy
<dweaver> janc: Python can develop GUI apps, right?
<sabmoc|work> dweaver: its not so much how many languages you learn, its more how well you solve difficult problems and for that you need to be very good at what you do which needs focus. Also, onces you've mastered a language and solve very difficult problems with it, it is easy to pick up another one.
<linux_galore> ells: mp3's ?
<geneo93> dweaver:  yes
<ells> no, mp4
<janc> you can write everything you wish in python
<dampjam> Any suggestions on getting 3d acceleration to work with xorg? I have te 82852/855GM Intel integrated graphics
<ells> you know aac files
<linux_galore> ells: mp4 is video
<ells> AAC files
<janc> there is even an OS-kernel written in Python  ;-)
<madstop> I think gdesklets are python, and zope and plone are, aren't they?
<Square> learning a language is easy, applying that knolage to something useful is the hard part
<ells> linux_galore, I am certain that mp4 is audio, apple
<janc> zope & plone are python, yes
<bryan> arn't mp4's what you download from itunes
<ells> linux_galore, ipod
<ells> gtkpod wont import them
<ells> linux_galore, they will only take mp3
<ells> linux_galore, no AAC files, why
<sabmoc|work> dweaver: just learn html
<bryan> sabmoc|work:  XHTML!
<janc> xhtml 2.0 ?  :)
<sabmoc|work> no wait.. XDHAFLKFSHDHTML!!
<madstop> wtf
<bryan> how about XSGML
<madstop> my keyboard is flaking out on me...
<sabmoc|work> how about xul?
<geneo93> just learn python and you dont need all that silly shit
<janc> my first bug report ever was for the xhtml 2 spec, and that's still not released  :)
<ells> anyone know why the gtkpod wont import the mp4 from the ipod
* madstop wonders what key combinations he's hitting are accidentally minimizing xchat constantly
<tsaphah> why is ubuntu set to use a pre 1.0 version of firefox?  Is it not possible to get a newer version without compiling my own?
<linux_galore> oops
<linux_galore> could be you dont have hfs support
<siimo> tsaphah ?
<Quinn_Storm> tsaphah: if you've updated your system you should have the most recent version
<linux_galore> time to go
<janc> warty has an older version of Firefox
<dweaver> Sabmoc: yes, I know that.  I have been developing for almost 20 years now and have seen many people that judge themselves by the languages that they know.  I am just looking to start developing on an OS that I like rather than one that I am forced to and was curious as to what I should look into.  I know that most development on linux is done in c but I am not that anal.  If there is an easy tool I'll use it.
<tsaphah> hrm .. I'll try the apt stuff again.
<siimo> hi, can someone please tell me how to change my system so that  httpd will not start at bootup and i can start it whenever i want by /etc/init.d/httpd start
<geneo93> dweaver:  try qt designer
<dweaver> Does anyone here  have any experience syncing an Axim to GNOME?
<tsaphah> ah, I see the problem.  Source list is only set for security and archive :P
<bryan> ewww
<dweaver> geneo93: Is that language independent or does it rely on a specific language?
<bryan> qt sucks
<geneo93> tsaphah:  tick then all the update
<janc> tsaphah : the warty release doesn't have FF 1.0 yet
<sabmoc|work> dweaver: Alright, sorry. Its nice to see experienced people moving to Linux! So many experienced windows admins or hackers are so set in there ways and afraid of Linux (I think because they have no real skils and have gotten by mostly by fooling there non-techy bosses). Anyway, yeah python is good. I judge a language by how many real applications are written in that language, python passes that test.
<bryan> if you want easy GUI design for stuff like python and c/c++ use glade
<geneo93> c c++
<nomasteryoda> tsaphah, my list on http://mgalug.org/books/suse (Update it!) has a nice apt sources.list
<dweaver> bryan: what do you recommend?
<tsaphah> janc: ah, that would explain things.
<nomasteryoda> i now have kde 3.4
<tsaphah> nomasteryoda: I'll talk a look. Thanks for the pointer
<janc> warty has FF 0.9x + security fixes
<nomasteryoda> yup
<janc> hoary has 1.0.1 now
<pinPoint> ifup wlan0 hangs
<pinPoint> in console
<tsaphah> Does ubuntu handle switching the source files from warty to hoary without breaking too much?
<sabmoc|work> siimo: `sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/httpd`
<nomasteryoda> it does now
<geneo93> tsaphah:  no
<nomasteryoda> tsaphah, sorry about that link... it was for suse channel
<sabmoc|work> tsaphah: I did it, and nothing borked on me.
<nomasteryoda> oops
<siimo> sabmoc|work, but then i cant run the script manually?
<nomasteryoda> tired
<tsaphah> nomasteryoda: I was wondering :P
<sabmoc|work> siimo: hmm true, never thought of that.
<tsaphah> sbmoc|work: k, I might give it a try. I've upgraded debian and suse systems that way without a problem, but you never now.
<geneo93> tsaphah:  just go the whole thing
<tsaphah> *nods* thanks folks
<geneo93> tsaphah:  just change repositories to hoary
<jdub> did everyone hear about the mascot competition?
<nomasteryoda> been fighting enabling wifi here at Novell community meeting in Utah
<dweaver> samboc: I have been around longer than I would like to admit.  I actually started with Linux because of a client I had back in '98 althought that was just an admin role.  Now I find myself looking to branch out career wise and don't think COBOL is a strong point on my resume. :)
<sabmoc|work> siimo: update-rc.d is your friend
* nomasteryoda (got an invite and a free plane ticket from Novell)
<jdub> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
<janc> dweaver : many big companies still use COBOL  :)
<sabmoc|work> dweaver: lol
<dweaver> I will never go back to the Green Screen.
<nomasteryoda> lol
<janc> banks & the like
<sabmoc|work> siimo: do `man update-rc.d` that is how to take apps out of the init system so they wont start at boot properly.
<ginger_> can i trouble anyone with a question about sound and a Via VT82C686?
<madstop> folks, I'd love to hear anyone's opinions on best first language for a total non-programmer to try to learn?
<j-rock> madstop: python
<janc> madstop : python
<janc> :)
<j-rock> madstop: tons of documentation
<j-rock> madstop: just remember that you are going to HAVE to read the docs, its not an instant understanding
<madstop> thanks!
<sabmoc|work> madstop: html and javascript
<Square> shell scripting
<j-rock> heh, i've always hated html
<sabmoc|work> html is meant to be hated
<jdub> madstop: do you want to learn how to be a programmer, or do you just want to do stuff?
<madstop> The tutorials for python seem excellent -- Square, you mean like perl, ? is that shell scripting?
<Square> perl or just bash scripting
<dweaver> madstop:  I have been looking at Python and really like it.  I don't think that a novice would have problems with the tutorial although I have been twiddling bits for a very long time and may be full of shit.
<madstop> jdub, I'd like to know enough to alter the behaviour of open source apps I enjoy using
<membreya> learn c :)
<madstop> maybe develop simple programs for educational software
<jdub> madstop: to a huge extent, that means learning C
<dweaver> c? isn't that in the Smithsonian?
<membreya> :P
<sabmoc|work> jdub: cool, I think i'll fireup the old pixelatron and see what I can do! :)
<thr1ce> anyone know where the system beep is in KDE ?
<jdub> madstop: but you can learn "on the job" - it's worth getting your hands dirty and seeing what happens :)
<sabmoc|work> ah the pixelatron9000.. my old friend
<madstop> as it happens, jdub, I have been dragging a C textbook around with me (and one of my favorite wiki apps is written in c...)
<dweaver> Anybody need a beer?  I'm going.
<ells> anyone know what must be done so I can import my m4a files from my ipod to gtkpod
<tsaphah> madstop: I agree with what's been said.  C & C++ - if you want down and dirty programming and mess with a lot of Open Source apps. Can't go wrong with Python or Perl though.
<sabmoc|work> madstop: wiki written in C? which one?
<sirukin> h
<sirukin> ha
<madstop> that's something that seems nice about python; the programs seem very literate and helpfully written, easy to follow
<sabmoc|work> madstop: dont forget to learn assembly
<farruinn> heheh
<tsaphah> *chuckles*
<janc> madstop : that's right
<madstop> WxWikiserver -- a "personal wiki" thing.  Excellent.  I've heard it runs with wine, haven't tried it, sabmoc|work
<ells> anyone know what must be done so I can import my m4a files from my ipod to gtkpod
<madstop> assembly, sabmoc|work -- jesus!  don't mess with the noob's head, ok?  lol
<geneo93> ells:  ubuntu wiki
<ells> geneo93, is there one about it on the site
<dweaver> What the hell,  I just decided to get you all a round.  I just poored it in my scanner, hope you enjoy it.
<geneo93> prolly
<DarthFrog> re
<membreya> thanks dweaver :)
<sabmoc|work> madstop: even though they laughed I was serious. assembly is great and it will help you to understand what is ACTUALLY going on inside the cpu. Im not saying you need to write apps in it for a living, but spend a month with an assembly book at least once in your life. Trust me.
<dweaver> janc: probably not as good as your beer, its Canadian.
<geneo93> dweaver:  hope thats full bodied beer not much for lite beers
<sabmoc|work> mmmm beer...
<membreya> has to be stellar dweaver :)
<madstop> like I said, I've never made it past "hello world!" in anything yet, so who knows...
<membreya> stella even :|
* Square is out of beer and is sad
<tsaphah> madstop: I'd agree with sabmoc, its nice to look at the assembly your compiler gernerates and have a clue what's being done :)
<geneo93> dweaver:  i like labatts blue
* DarthFrog notes that St. Paddy's Day was yesterday.  I hoisted more than one pint of Guinness in his  honour. :-)
<membreya> i have like 28 bottles of wine here, but gf won't let me drink :(
<DarthFrog> membreya: You need a new gf.
<sabmoc|work> madstop: spend a month on assembly, you'll be glad you did, but maybe wait until you understand more than just the basics of programming.
<membreya> lol DarthFrog ..she has a point.. i tend to binge and spew blood :|
<dweaver> geneo93: while I brew my own and prefer good ales,  we keep Molson Canadian on tap to please the wife and neighbors.
<tsaphah> madstop: I prefer C++ myself, but that's just becuase its what I do most of my work in.
<janc> dweaver : I hope your scanner enjoys it :)
<sabmoc|work> membreya: omg!
<sabmoc|work> zmog!!!
<DarthFrog> membreya: Um, yes. She does have a point.  Slow down, man!
<geneo93> dweaver:  thats good beer
<membreya> i drink to get blitzed :)
<sabmoc|work> teh zmog!
<madstop> thanks for the advice guys!  heh, I notice nobody has said anything about java --- ;)
<dweaver> membreya:  if you aren't going to drink them, I will take very good care of them.
<DarthFrog> membreya: That's a bad road to go down, my man.  Seriously.
<janc> sabmoc|work : might be better to learn 8080 assembler or something like that though
<geneo93> dweaver:  i'm retired so i cant afford much
<janc> maybe 8086 assmebler
<membreya> dweaver: ..they're mostly whites so I have to drink them in the next year
<sabmoc|work> janc its been a while :)
<janc> but not the mess of x86/MMX/MMX2/SSE/SSE2/etc./etc./etc.
<janc> :)
* sabmoc|work wanders away and trys to remember what he was working on.
<dweaver> membreya: don'rt we all.  it is just that some of us want it to taste better along the way.
<tsaphah> Anyone by chance know of a good doc on getting Toshiba's laptop controls to work? I'd really like to turn down the monitor brightness.
<membreya> dweaver: :P
<membreya> I only drink about 3 or 4 bottles at a time :(
<geneo93> tsaphah:  just move the thing
<sabmoc|work> tsaphah: have you googled?
<madstop> membreya, I hope your liver is as patient as your gf must be...
<dweaver> tsaphah:  I just put Ubuntu on my toshiba and would like to know the same.  I have problems with brightness and audio.
* janc is going to sleep
<janc> 7h58 now...   :)
* sabmoc|work waves goodbye to janc
<membreya> im more patient with her madstop ....she broke my nose once so I gave her a cuddle :P
<janc> bye  :)
<DarthFrog> janc: where are you/
<DarthFrog> ?
<janc> bruges, belgium
<DarthFrog> janc: Ooh, you have good beer! :-)
<janc> yeah  :)
<dampjam> When I try to add: kernel-headers-2.6-686 I got the error: Depends: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 but it is not installable
<dweaver> DarthFrog: Are you in the states?
<DarthFrog> dweaver: No, British Columbia
<membreya> DarthFrog: ...they export their crap beer to the rest of the world (stella) ...their domestic beer rules over anything I've ever drunk
<madstop> ouch membreya -- I've heard of crying in your beer, but, bleeding in your wine?  ouuuuch
<DarthFrog> membreya: Oh, there's many other Belgian beers besides Stella that I can buy here.
<dweaver> DarthFrog: Well then, I raise my Molson Canadian to you. :)
<tsaphah> sabmoc: yeah, its been touch and go on fighting anything useful. Tidbits hear and there but nothing to get me closer to my goal.
<DarthFrog> dweaver: yech!  Molson's.  Putrid stuff.
<janc> DarthFrog : any good Belgien beers available there?
<membreya> DarthFrog: lucky :(
<tsaphah> lol fighting = finding.. darn war movies in my brain
<sirukin> zeedo, boo.
<madstop> Best beer, Mexican, Negra Modelo.  forget about Corona.
<membreya> belgium make the best beer in the world
<madstop> Moosehead!
<DarthFrog> janc: Well, the few I've had, I'be liked.  Unfortunately, I have diabetes so can't be as ... dedicated as I'd otherwise like to be. :-)
<geneo93> san migal
<ut> hey
<janc> aw, too bad  :-/
<dweaver> DarthFrog: Down here in the lower 48 it is the best keg I can get without a mortgage.
<pinPoint>  why wont my nic work
<sirukin> hmm
<membreya> hehe dweaver :P
<DarthFrog> dweaver: Hmm.  Anchor Steam is pretty good.  And the microbrews can be excellent.
<janc> i'm going to West-Vleteren abbey this or next month  :)
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: What chipset does it have?
<membreya> dweaver: blame your government, excises suck >:(
<pinPoint> Broadcom
<janc> http://www.sintsixtus.be/
<DarthFrog> pinPoint:  And you are using ndiswrapper to load the Windows driver?
<pinPoint> ya
<janc> trapist ales only available at the monastery  :)
<dweaver> DarthFrog: You are correct my friend, Anchor Steam is one of my favorites.  I just couldn't afford a keg of it even with your dollars. :)
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: You've checked that with lsmod?
<pinPoint> lsmod?
<DarthFrog> dweaver: Too bad. :-(
<pinPoint> that wasnt mentioned at ubuntu site
<DarthFrog> janc: That's a good thing.  Gets you out of the house. :-)
<dweaver> janc:  I thought you were leaving
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Open a root terminal and run lsmod.
<janc> dweaver : right, I should be   :)
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: It'll tell you what kernel modules are loaded.
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: We're now in troubleshooting mode.
<geneo93> dweaver:  noone leave when talking about the esentuals of life
<dweaver> janc: its Saturday morning there, right?
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: ndiswrapper is
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: You're rolling up your sleeves and looking under the covers. :-)
<janc> dweaver : yes
<membreya> geneo93: had a few to drink yourself there?
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Good stuff.  Now run ifconfig.
<janc> you guys should all come to FOSDEM in 2006  ;-)
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: What interfaces are given?  Besides lo.
<sirukin> hmm
<pinPoint> eth0 sit0 wlan0
<DarthFrog> janc: Got a spare bedroom? :-)
<geneo93> ahh a few
<dizzie> Morning all :)
<janc> they have trappist ales for 2 euros there  :)
<dweaver> janc: You gat a room?
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: wlan0 is your wireless NIC.
<girl> hi
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Does wlan0 have an IP address?
<sirukin> what an original nickname
* sirukin smirks
<DarthFrog> Hi girl
<membreya> lol sirukin
<dweaver> hi girl
<geneo93> virginian moonshine
<sirukin> rofl
<pinPoint>  DarthFrog its ipv6
<janc> not really a room, but like a friend of me says: you can always sleep under a bridge  ;-)
<sirukin> that's the terminal next to mine
<pinPoint> inte6 addr alone
<sirukin> wtf
<sirukin> /nick <name>
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: run "dhclient wlan0" and then check ifconfig again to see if wlan0 picked up an IP address.
<sirukin> sorry, my brother messing around
<dweaver> does the bridge have a feather matress?
<membreya> sirukin: you're startin to scare me
<janc> and debian develoeprs can always sleep at mind.be headquarters I'm told
<brans5> hmm
<DarthFrog> What is FOSDEM?
<sirukin> ok
<janc> fosdem.org
<janc> free/open source meeting
<dweaver> I knew a girl known as brandon once, it was a painful operation.
<sirukin> the system next to me is the one I setup for my sisters
<sirukin> and my brother is using it
<janc> in Brussels
<sirukin> so blech
<sabmoc> bah
<FlyNavy> Anyone help with display problem.  Just loaded ubuntu and GUI is messed up.  Didn't happen in Suse or Redhat.
<pinS> DarthFrog, there http://rafb.net/paste/results/IBIMZL72.html
<sirukin> FlyNavy, what's the problem?
<brans5> hi
<pinS> the error from dhclient
<FlyNavy> When I boot into gui, screen has vertical splits and mouse disappears in sections and reappears on other side.
<dweaver> FlyNavy: how do you know what the answer will be if your display is hosed?
<membreya> FlyNavy: what video card?
<DarthFrog> pinS: You have disabled encryption on the router?  you're not doing MAC address filtering?
<pinS> mac filtering yest
<pinS> yes*
<FlyNavy> Rage mobility
<DarthFrog> pinS: Turn off MAC address filtering and try again.
<janc> so now I'm really going to sleep til noon   :)
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  didn't get that.
<sirukin> just updated hoary
<DarthFrog> janc: Catch ya on the flip side.
<FlyNavy> membreya: Rage Mobility 3 or 4.  can't remember
<sirukin> hmm
<FlyNavy> This is an older Dell laptop.
<sirukin> anyone interested in creating a Canadian Ubuntu Local Community Team
<DarthFrog> sirukin: yes, but not tonight. :-)
<sirukin> yeah, I'm just checking if anyone else would
<brans5> ASP
* sirukin throws a sock at DarthFrog
<membreya> sirukin: ask the inuits and fur seals :)
<sirukin> haha
<membreya> don't tell the polar bears though, they'll get all pissy
<asdqwe> Hey, can anyone point me to a good wlan howto? My card is working and detected, I just need a howto for wlan config (changing essid/mode/DHCP..etc)
<geneo93> dont forget the bears
<sirukin> hmm
<sirukin> haha
<geneo93> black bears
<dweaver> FlyNavy:  sorry, bad humor. I was responding to the fact that you had a display problem and wouldn't be able to see the answer.
<pinS> DarthFrog, same thing
<DarthFrog> asdqwe: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ might have what you want for Ubuntu.
<DarthFrog> pinS: Nuisance.
<pinS> ?
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  I'm reverting to my ms box for this.
<DarthFrog> pinS: I'm at a loss, sorry.
<asdqwe> I havent noticed any wireless relevant stuff on ubuntuguide...
<DarthFrog> asdqwe: man iwconfig
<dweaver> FlyNavy: Sorry you had to do that.
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  Guess it's too late for my humor.  2am here
<dweaver> FlyNavy: 2am here also
<geneo93> pinS:  reboot that thing once
<pinS> reboot?
<membreya> 6.15pm here
<DarthFrog> pinS: Unplug it and plug it back in a minute.
<dweaver> membreya: where?
<pinS> its a minipci
<membreya> melb, aus
<DarthFrog> pinS: Mind you, that's grasping at straws.
<dweaver> g'day
<membreya> :P
<pinS> ?
<DarthFrog> pinS: Rebooting the router as geneo93 suggested.
<DarthFrog> pinS: Wireless works in Windows?
<brans5> hi
<membreya> where abouts are you located dweaver ?
<pinS> DarthFrog, ya
<dweaver> membreya:I always wanted to vist, do you still require a criminal record? :)
<DarthFrog> pinS: Well, that's encouraging.
<DarthFrog> dweaver: LOL!
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  i was thinking it has its own addy twice
<DarthFrog> geneo93: It was a good suggestion.
<membreya> dweaver: ...requirements have changed, no longer need to be a criminal, you need to be a boatperson :|
<membreya> friggin illegals
<dweaver> membreya: for the moment I am just north of Cincinnati,OH,USA.
<brans5> s u b
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  I'm from West Virginia
* DarthFrog notes that Cincinnati is not close to an ocean.
<membreya> wheat country eh dweaver ?
<dweaver> membreya: the cubans make it all the way to you?
<membreya> no, just the afghan's, indon's, iraqi
<membreya> s
<membreya> africans...bloody
<geneo93> FlyNavy:  i'll be in virginia next month
<membreya> cuban's would make a nice change :)
<sirukin> hmm
<DarthFrog> OK, folks.  Let's stop with the racism, please.
* madstop tries not to note the irony of a country founded by deported criminals complaining about illegals
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  I haven't been back there in several years.  Move around a lot.
<dweaver> FlyNavy: are you an academy grad?
* madstop doesn't succeed
<membreya> my family came over legitimately :P
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  yeah.  1986
<sirukin> to where?
<sirukin> canada?
<sirukin> ha
<madstop> fucking legals! ;-)
<pinS> here we go again
<brans5> ha
* pinS testing
<sirukin> heh
<geneo93> 98% of america is illegals
<membreya> :P
<pinS> key is off, ssid broadcast is on
<sirukin> anyway
<pinS> and still nothing
<sirukin> low signal?
<dweaver> FlyNavy: No Way,  My best friend from high school was an '87.  He is now a Commander teaching Mathmatics back at Anappolis.  Art Cimiluca
<madstop> None of the pilgrims' papers were in order; the indians didn't have their homeland security shit in order
<pinS> nope
<pinS> im next to the router
<pinS> iwlist wlan0 scan picks it up
<pinS> so why the hell wont it connect
<pinS> shit!
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  I am in New Orleans at the SPAWAR command doing XO bit.
<DarthFrog> pinS: Try "dhclient wlan0" again.
<DarthFrog> FlyNavy: SPAWAR?
<brans5> hi
<brans5> hi
<brans5> hi
<brans5> hi'
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  Space and Naval Warfare.  We build the comm and IT stuff.
<madstop> hi, all four of you
<geneo93> pinS:  i had to reboot this machine to get mine working
<membreya> ooo
* membreya makes a mental note to kidnap FlyNavy 
<FlyNavy> brans5:  Hi
<pinS> geneo93, hope that works, this would be the 3rd time now
<pinS> brb
<brans5> hi
<Anubis> # apt-get update
<Anubis> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
<Anubis> E: Unable to lock the list directory
<membreya> Anubis: close synaptic
<Anubis> its not open?
<virtuald> you have another instance of apt running
<madstop> membreya, dude, don't even joke about kidnapping us military personnel!  Rumsfeld might be reading this
<sirukin> haha
<pinPoint> here we go
* virtuald kidnaps madstop
<dweaver> membreya: Just curious, when does the footy season run?
<FlyNavy> Interesting!
<madstop> oh oh, here comes a spike in the intel chatter
<membreya> dweaver: ..mention "footy" in my presence again and I'll slap you
<virtuald> give me $100000 or i will cut madstops throat!
<zenrox> hello madstop
<dweaver> membreya:?
<madstop> virtuald, I'm worth about 20 cents... hello zenrox
<membreya> virtuald: ...no ransom, just extort secrets
<zenrox> lol
<virtuald> :)
<membreya> dweaver: .. i hate football, I grew up in a country town and I was a nerd
<membreya> hence a target
<pinPoint> geneo93: it takes a long time to get it up on boot up
<pinPoint> like 1min 30secs
<pinPoint> before it says OK
<zenrox> membreya,  join the club
<geneo93> mine to i have 6 scsi's to spin up
<madstop> whoa, oh shit-- heh heh, when I wrote "us military peronnel" I meant US military, not us as in first person plural; I have not served, and am too old to be drafted...
* zenrox coulfs
<madstop> or kidnapped
<zenrox> lol
<phxguy> hello... Can someone here help me get my bluetooth keyboard working???
<zenrox> the mil dont want me too afraid ill take over
<dweaver> membreya:sorry to touch a nerve.  I watch Aussie Football on cable and really enjoy it.  I was a nerd in high school but found rugby whern I got to college.
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  No ideas on the display problem?
<virtuald> madstop: you're never too old to be kidnapped
<sabmoc> phxguy: no, you need to find the #ubuntu-bluetooth-keyboard-userhelp-friendly channel.
<phxguy> yeah apparently so
<sabmoc> its pretty hard to find
<sirukin> hmm
<pinPoint> ping returns Destination Host Unreachable
* pinPoint arrrg!
<sabmoc> in the mean time I suggest google phxguy
<zenrox> sabmoc,  is thare one for enabling the logitech enctiption on the keyboard
<sirukin> interesting
<dweaver> FlyNavy: nothing on the display problem.  still working on my audio problem.  I think it is a Hoary problem.  Life on the bleeding edge!
<phxguy> it did work for a little bit when i first installed ubuntu but it quit qworking
<sabmoc> zenrox: yes that one
<madstop> especially when you'rre plastered
<zenrox> not blue tooth
<zenrox> reguler wireless
<madstop> fuck, I missed about 12 lines there...
<brans5>                       fuck you allyou fat fucking bitch madstop
<sabmoc> lol
<madstop> at least he got all that on one line this time
<madstop> whoa, why single me out?
<sabmoc> brans5: you're lucky Im not a mod or I would mail you testicles to your mother.
<phxguy> lol
<fonsken> how can i mount an usb-memory-stick?
<FlyNavy> madstop:  He must like the way you type
<sabmoc> jdub: ping
<madstop> Well, I hope bran's other 4 don't show up
<FlyNavy> madstop:  would just be 4 more lines...oh, we saw that already
<brans5> fuck you bitch
* pinPoint FUDGE!!!
<madstop> sabmoc becomes sabmod the testicle mailer
<pinPoint> Network APP says eth0 is not active
<sabmoc> brans5: I hope you enjoy your brief stay on #ubuntu, it will be your last.
<brans5> fuck you
<brans5> fuck youm
<pinPoint> that shit just stabbed me on the back and when i did ping yahoo.com it work
<brans5> fuck you
<pinPoint> wokred*
<dweaver> I don't know if I can stay here with this language.
<brans5> fuck you
<brans5> fuck you
<pinPoint> i  pulled the wire and the ping stalled
<sabmoc> crimsun: ping
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  Sure makes the screen scroll faster.
<pinPoint> that sucks
<dweaver> Wait a minute, I forgot who the fuck I am.
<geneo93> some children are a pain in the ass
<dweaver> all children are a pain in the ass, its heredity.
<madstop> hmm, some day this brans5 bot may pass the Turing test
<geneo93> pinPoint:  what does network-admin do for you
<zenrox> ya so ducks
<pinPoint> why does ubuntu apps give false information
<zenrox> so duck
<pinPoint> it sucks because
<pinPoint> one app says eth0 is inactive yet when i do ping yahoo.com it works
<dweaver> ubuntu apps give me the truth
<pinPoint> so i think its my wireless nic working
<pinPoint> but it turns out its the eth0
<pinPoint> that is so sad
<dweaver> membreya: are you back?
<CraZy675> I have a ubuntu live cd here, would i be able to access my ntfs partition with it?
<sabmoc> CraZy675: yup
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  She forgot that she had to kidnap me!
<sabmoc> CraZy675: read, but no write
<dweaver> She kidnapped you from Melbourne?
<pinPoint> why does my nic bring me so much pain
<CraZy675> hell works for me
<pinPoint> i feel like destroying things now
<FlyNavy> membreya:  Sorry.  He.
<madstop> ransom just went up a notch.
<membreya> yes i am :)
<FlyNavy> I understand  :)
<dweaver> See, I hate this stuff, membreya, are you a he or ahe
<membreya> HE :)
<sirukin> hmm
<madstop> (you can escape, FlyNavy, when he's off to get another wine or to placate his gf)
<FlyNavy> madstop:  Roger that.
<dweaver> wait a minut, nobody is a ahe, i mean't she
<geneo93> heshe
* pinPoint cries, can anyone help me
<madstop> membreya is the one with the busted nose.  Actually, his girlfriend is the one you need to watch out for.
<membreya> :)
<FlyNavy> pinpoint:  I was heading down the wireless trail but can't get into the gui.  Sorry
<sabmoc> modstop wakeup
<membreya> hooray, I finally found out how to enable DMA on my DVD-RW :D
<dweaver> geneo93, i've heard of them, but don't know if they exist in the wild.
<sabmoc> madstop: wakeup ;p
<madstop> btw, what do Brit pilots say for "Roger that" ? doesn't roger mean something else over there?
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  Try Naples.  They're everywhere.
<FlyNavy> madstop:  Don't know .  Never flew with them.
<dweaver> ah, yes, i saw that post, sorry membreya iI am new to all this irc stuff.
<brans5> you dick
<madstop> sabmoc, start drinking and get back to work
<fonsken> how can i mount an usb-memory-stick?
<brans5> jlk
<brans5> ,,jk
<brans5> -09785
<pinPoint> YES YES YES!!!
<pinPoint> my niC WORKS!
<geneo93> well i'm off to bed l8rs all
<brans5> !@#$%^&*()FHJrfbk.jbfkfhgfkjfhn m,.shnljdshb j.dvbljksbfougeuytgldkvuyjhglihkuybuybybvbbouybvukvkutvyukvtjkhv hkgvk\
<madstop> all right pinPoint, way to go
<pinPoint> i did map wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
<pinPoint> and rebooted
<madstop> g'night geneo93
<FlyNavy> now all we need to do is get rid of brans 1 through 4!!!
<madstop> must be a script to block anyone who issues like 8 fuck yous in a row...
<dweaver> membreya: excuse my ignorance, but is it evening or morning down there?
<sabmoc> lets just play it safe and get rid of Brans*
<membreya> evening...6.47 post meridian :)
<FlyNavy> do these channels have mods?
<membreya> we're gmt +11
<Rene_S> I give up, the no menu editing in gnome 2.10 isnt worth the hassle ...
<dweaver> membreya: I used to work with someone in Sydney, just couldn't remember the time diff.
<madstop> sabmoc is the mod, when he's not shitfaced.  I'm drafting him.  (I assume him, after membreya's sex change, I just don't know anymore, <sobs>)
<sabmoc> Rene_S: what do you mean?
<sabmoc> lol
<membreya> what the?!
<membreya> lol :)
<sabmoc> madstop: I've had half a beer, common
<FlyNavy> wasn't me this time!
<membreya> how the hell could you assume I'm a chick :|
<madstop> sabmoc, I know what Rene_S means.  I hate that I can't edit the gd menus.
<membreya> no wonder you were so nice to me
* membreya sobs
<Rene_S> half the programs I installed dont show up on any menu at all, the ones that do end up with no icons
<sabmoc> to be honest I havnet even noticed I couldnt edit the menus yet, its just not something I need to do.
<membreya> Rene_S: with the no icon thing, you just need to restart GDM :)
<membreya> and you CAN add items to the menu :)
<CraZy675> where can i find a "how to" to access my ntfs?
<madstop> FlyNavy must have had a girl in a port somewhere named membreya
<pinPoint> madstop: it doesnt like keys and ssid hidden
<membreya> just removing them or moving them is a bit more work
<pinPoint> sucks
<membreya> CraZy675: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
<CraZy675> membreya, thanks
<membreya> heh madstop :)
<sabmoc> CraZy675: `sudo mkdir /windows; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /windows;` that should work I think.
<Rene_S> guess I am gonna have a bunch of drawers and desktop icons for a bit
<DarthFrog> CraZy675: Do you know which device is your NTFS partition (i.e. /dev/hda?)
<membreya> sabmoc: how ...messy
<tsaphah> .. ok, I just updated my system to Hoary and my resolution got changed to 640 X 480 ! :( I also had to use a differnt compikernel, the new default didn't work...
<sabmoc> Rene_S: panel icons are better
<dweaver> I just followed along, looking back I can't understand how I thought membreya might be feminine, it is obviously a guy name.
<tsaphah> wow, sorry for typing errors. Can't see what I'm typing due to resolution
<madstop> or maybe FlyNavy just thought it was a girl, I don't know, don't ask, don't tell...
<membreya> dweaver: do a whois on me
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: No, it won't work.  You didn't specifiy a partition on hda.
<sabmoc> membreya: well he could edit his fstab but I didnt want to go into that.
<membreya> gawd, doesn't anyone take stalking seriously these days
<sabmoc> yes, listen to DarthFrog
<membreya> sabmoc: i was referring to mounting it off the rootfs :)
<Rene_S> sabmoc, probably but i dont want the wife clicking on them hehe
<FlyNavy> membreya:  Only if you're stalking my firewall
<madstop> this is how I spend a Friday night, saturday morning; jesus, I'm not even a techie!  pour me a single malt, somebody.
<sabmoc> Rene_S: do what I do, lock the screen when your not sitting at the computer
<pinPoint> ok my nic doesnt like keys and ssid hidden
<Rene_S> oh well i am sure its only a temporary thing
<sabmoc> membreya: well I used suse too long I guess
<membreya> madstop: ... I'm a heathen with single malt whisky, I mix it with coke :|
<dweaver> membreya:  It is sad to say that after all my years in technology I am not aware of such things.  I'll try it.
* DarthFrog disowns membreya.
<sabmoc> membreya: GAH!!
<membreya> sabmoc: either mount it in /media or /mnt.../media is my personal preference :)
<membreya> 12 year old glenfiddich ...and I mix it
<FlyNavy> sounds like you all need some good old fashioned moonshine
<FlyNavy> straight
<CraZy675> what is the root password for the live cd?
<sabmoc> membreya: how do you even know what your drinking when you mix it with that garbage?
<DarthFrog> membreya: Why aren't you buying the cheapest shit available if you're going to pollute it?
<madstop> omg, membreya, that's insane!!
<membreya> cos it tastes nice :) cheap shit still tastes like cheap shit when you mix it
<madstop> The Balvenie, great single malt
<dweaver> membreya: I will beat you to a bloody pulp if I ever get to Melbourne and find you mixing single malt.
<sabmoc> haha
* DarthFrog will be with dweaveron that journey!
<madstop> ditto that, dweaver
<CraZy675> Does anyone know the root password for the live cd?
<madstop> Know wonder his gf broke his nose
* sabmoc DarthFrog and dweaver plan a trip to Melbourne to jump membreya
<FlyNavy> new to IRC.  How do you place the messages in purple?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: No, not to jump him.  To drink his single malt before he wastes any more!
<membreya> CraZy675: have you tried typing just "sudo"
<dweaver> Ah, use sudo?  at least that is what you use after instal
* sabmoc doesnt let madstop come
<membreya> :P
<madstop> FlyNavy, can yu call in an air strike on Melbourne please, smart bomb the whisky wreckers
<CraZy675> membreya, oh where is my head tonight, thanks
<Smeven> hi
<membreya> madstop: being the US military, he will probably hit china :P
* pinPoint pulls the power plug. agravated
<FlyNavy> madstop:  They're supposed to be friends.  but if they're doing that we might make an exception
<sabmoc> lol
* pinPoint just great
<pinPoint> i have to reboot everytime to change my ip dhcp/static
<madstop> 'sallright sabmoc, we're just getting over winter here, I have no wish to hit Melbourne at the end of summer, and miss New York spring
<pinPoint> total bull
<FlyNavy> membreya:  I might take that personally:(
<dweaver> membreya: I should have known when you got upset about footy that you would be so low as to mix single malt.
<Smeven> Is howl planned for ubuntu anytime soon?
<madstop> might as well piss in it, and save the coke to clean the toilet.
<CraZy675> yea i don't know whcich device my ntfs is
<CraZy675> there is only one hdd
* pinPoint hands anyone the laptop
<sabmoc> Smeven: why dont you ask on the monodev wiki, only 3 or 4 mono apps are available at the moment, it would b enice to see more.
* pinPoint piss on it
<CraZy675> and 2 cdroms
<membreya> Smeven: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/net/howl-utils
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Sorry I wasn't of more help to you.
<membreya> CraZy675: do a sudo fdisk -l
<pinPoint> its alright
<CraZy675> membreya, thanks again
<pinPoint> i thought i had it but its unpredictable
<dweaver> wait a minute, piss in single malt and now I know where Budwiser comes from
<membreya> haha dweaver :P
<DarthFrog> And on that note, I'm going to bed.
<pinPoint> how do i stop loading of network interfaces
<DarthFrog> TTFN.
<pinPoint> at boot time
<membreya> american beer..."for those that can't handle a real beer"
<pinPoint> is there a key
<sabmoc> DarthFrog: cya bro
<membreya> cya DarthFrog
<sirukin> hmm
<FlyNavy> You can smash BW, but just leave Junior out of it.
<madstop> "President Carter, I'm sorry to inform you that your brother Billy's horse has diabetes."
<CraZy675> membreya, i get no results with an sudo fdisk....
<pc03> hi.. anyone with experience with libgphoto2 or gphoto2 on ubuntu.. i don't seem to be getting access to my usb camera.
* sabmoc wanders away in search of work..
<membreya> CraZy675: are you running SATA or IDE?
<CraZy675> membreya, ide
<dweaver> I can't get on you about Junior because he is my son's favorite.  Then again, he is 10.
<membreya> Smeven: so to answer your question, hoary has support for howl
<membreya> CraZy675: do a sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
<FlyNavy> dweaver:  He's not having a good year.
<FlyNavy> membreya:  How about Grolsch?  My favorite
<CraZy675> membreya, the only device i can get fdisk to list is hdc (the cdrom)
<xigle1> a few days ago, I installed hoary preview. I added the right repositories and was able to install gstreamer, xmms, mplayer, xine etc. But now I reinstalled ubuntu and am getting a lot of error message when I try to install theese programs. Talking about all kinds of packages that's "not installable" and "have unmet dependencies". Any ideas?
<dweaver> You'd have to talk to my son.  I follow Aussie Football more than NASCAR.] 
<pinPoint> quick! whats the file that deals with what loads at bootup
<FlyNavy> I played rugby for a while.  I think I was in a drunk stupor.  I came to and went to something safer!
<sabmoc> pinPoint, /etc/modules ?
<membreya> CraZy675: what happens when you do a sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
<madstop> Like combat aviation, FlyNavy??
<sirukin> hmmm
<pinPoint> sabmoc: no
<CraZy675> membreya, nothing the prompt returns as if it was successful
<membreya> hrm
<pinPoint> like all the boot up processes
<FlyNavy> madstop:  Right.  That is just my career.  I turned to boxing for relaxation.
<pinPoint> when it says [ ok ] 
<sabmoc> pinPoint, /etc/init.d/* ?
<CraZy675> i'll reboot see if i get anything to make sure the ide cables are working
* sabmoc has never considered boxing very relaxing.
<dweaver> thats the only way I played rugby.
<madstop> I think I'm actually alive today because my dad's color blindness washed him out of the Army Air Corps back in the 40's.  Infantry was somewhat safer back then.
<sabmoc> heh
<dweaver> madstop, your in the states?
<FlyNavy> madstop:  my grandfather was AAC.  Then AF.
<madstop> I'm often in a state of denial about it, but yes, dweaver.  New York.
<CraZy675> oh i get a diskboot failer
<CraZy675> great
<pinPoint> i hate time sycn
<pinPoint> with ntp.ubuntu site
<pinPoint> how do i nuke that
<dweaver> I'm from NJ.  Worked in NY for several years.  Just questioning because of the time
<madstop> My father was US Army, then flag-burner :-)
<tuggy> hey, I just installed the hoary preview disc and for some reason there was a problem installing all the packages
<FlyNavy> madstop:  To each his own...
<ells> tritium: mike what is up man
<tuggy> I tried it twice, same thing both times
<dweaver> I'm with FlyNavy
<sabmoc> pinPoint, `update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove`
<madstop> pinPoint, I've been wondering the same thing; boot up is really tortuous with that stuff
<tuggy> but the weird thing is, it worked just fine on my laptop
<tuggy> only thing different was the CD
<pinPoint> when my line is unplugged it lags for like 2mins
<pinPoint> less is more!
<pinPoint> dont want all that crap loading at boot up
<pinPoint> even eth0 and wlan0
<tritium> ells, hey there.  I just wrote a paper.  You?
<pinPoint> the lag me too much
<tuggy> why dont you just put the run level to 1
<FlyNavy> all:  Gotta go.  keep it safe.
<tuggy> then only the kernal and basic shell will load
<madstop> pinPoint, starting linux when offline is apparently meant to be torture.  They want us on-line at all times.  A conspiracy.
<jimarko> hey dudes and dudettes!
<madstop> Take care FlyNavy
<dweaver> I am running Ubuntu on my laptop but would like to know what you all think about putting it on a high end desktop.  is Ubuntu just a desktop distro or can it work on a server?
<zerokarmaleft> pinPoint, you can ctrl-c when init hits the ntp update script to skip past it
<sabmoc> jimarko, you mean dudes and dudes_with_boobs?
<pinPoint> zerokarmaleft: can i do that to any of them
<pinPoint> and most of them
<CraZy675> membreya, now we are talking the power was loose
<jimarko> bahahah, nah, thats not reeeally what i intended, but *shrugs*.. whatever ;-)
<ProfQki> hi! can anybody tell me when hoary will be the stable distrib, instead of warthy?
<tuggy> dweaver. ubuntu is based off debian, one of the most used server distros
<ells> tritium: sorry mike, i was watching a fight, did some
<ells> tritium: will finish in the morning
<tuggy> its very scalable
<tritium> ells, cool
<gbanay> someone pulled the power cord from my computer while is was upgrading to hoary and now GDM types hebrew (so i can't login graphically) anyone can help me with that? (and maybe describe why something that's supposed to take usernames and password, which are written in a subset of ASCII, nevertheless accepts other languages as input?)
<ells> tritium: guess what
<tuggy> ProfQki, april 6th
<ells> tritium: I got ubuntu on my desktop
<ells> tritium: I used the preview version of hoary
<Jlk> so do i
<sirukin> hmmm
<Jlk> whats up bryan
<tritium> ells, isn't that what you had the other day when we fixed it?
<sirukin> hmm
<sirukin> brandom smells
<jimarko> hey, quick question, has anyone had a problem with sound falling out of sync in flash animations within Firefox?
<dweaver> tuggy: understood, but the plan is to fork of debian
<sirukin> brandon*
<ProfQki> tuggy: thank you very much
<ells> tritium: my desktop had debian
<Jlk> so what at least i smell
<pinPoint> is there really an OS that works with a dell wireless nic other than winxp
<sirukin> haha
<pinPoint> right after install of OS
<ells> tritium: I am happy to switch over to ubunut on my desktop
* sirukin tempted to secure shell into the box and kill -9 xchatpid
<tritium> ells, which did we fix X.org on?
<Jlk> huh?
<ells> tritium: laptop
<pinPoint> ok let me reprase
<tritium> ells, oh
<tritium> cool
<pinPoint> is there a wireless nic that works on ubuntu right after install?
<pinPoint> with no problems whats so ever
<sirukin> I said I'd close your irc client
<tuggy> dweaver, since many of the ubuntu devs are debian devs, they will probably still keep many ties
<sabmoc> wow, 42 bug reports, i have a bad feeling....
* sirukin kicks Jlk in the nuts
<dweaver> tuggy: thanks
<Jlk> ha unahva
<pinPoint> i will freaking buy it right now online!!!
<Jlk> haa good to hear
<madstop>  a friend of mine has a linksys card and router that worked out of the box.  no hassle at all.
<tuggy> pinPoint, my el cheapo walmart card works even with the live cds
<dweaver> pinpoint: my card didn't work right after install, but was just a simple mod to a file
<Jlk> i kick you in the mukpaks?
<tuggy> its one of those "network everywhere" brand ones
<sirukin> hmm
<tuggy> made by linksys for wally world
<pinPoint> no no no
<jimarko> Has anyone had a problem with sound falling out of sync in flash animations within Firefox?
<pinPoint> i dont want mods, nothing!
<Jlk> hmm what you think about that
<pinPoint> i want it to work right after install
<pinPoint> nothing to be done other than settings of the router
<sirukin> hmm
<tuggy> pin isnt listening to me
<sabmoc> sirukin, you say hmm a lot
<pinPoint> tuggy: oops
<pinPoint> hehe
<Jlk> hmm what you computer hacker
<dweaver> actually, mine was an MS card that was easily recognized
<sabmoc> tuggy, i think he is insane, dont make eye contact...
<pinPoint> tuggy: which one
<pinPoint> names
<sirukin> i'M A HMM
<sabmoc> hmm
<sirukin> damnit
<sirukin> capslock
<sabmoc> buwhah
<madstop> hmm, hah , heh hmm
<tuggy> its a 11b card made by "network everywhere" (linksys cheap brand)
<pinPoint> nope
<pinPoint> it has to be atleast b/g
<Jlk> your a hmm?
<tuggy> i think all of the linksys work out of the box
<tuggy> or atleast the prism based ones
<Jlk> bryan
* madstop is down to two cigarettes and will go to bed till the cigarette girl flies through the window to deliver more
<pinPoint> tuggy: prism? from linksys
<tuggy> prism is the chip set maker
<Jlk> a girl? whose your girlfriend sirukin?
* madstop thinks computers were invented by the tobacco industry
<tuggy> they make chips for Dlink, linksys, and a few other companys
<dweaver> some prism work as orinoco
<CraZy675> i have tried mounting this partition but i keep getting a bad fs type
<tuggy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
<Jlk> *f
<CraZy675> where do i go from here?
<tuggy> that is the wiki page for wireless cards
<tuggy> says which ones work "out of the box"
<CraZy675> when i do the fdisk i can see the harddrive
<kosmos> CraZy675, post your mountline
<CraZy675>  sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
<CraZy675> oops s/hda1/hda/
<tuggy> CraZy675, are you trying to write to your NTFS drive?
<kosmos> try sudo mount -t ntfs /media/windows /dev/hda1
<pinPoint> tuggy: those morons who posted about the TrueMobile 1300 from dell are crazy
<pinPoint> that crap aint working for me
<pinPoint> spent the last 3 days fight with this crap
<kosmos>  /media/windows must exist
<petemc> ndiswrapper works fine
<CraZy675> tuggy, no just read it
<tuggy> pinPoint, it says you have to you ndiswrapper for it
<pinPoint> yeah dont we all
<tsaphah> ok this is getting annoying :( My xorg.conf file says I should be at the 1024 res.. but its loading at 640. Gnomes res chaning program shows no higher resolution.  Does anyone have thoughts?
<dweaver> I can say that the MN-520 does not work out of the box but works aftwer the addition to /etc/pcmcia/config
<Jlk> s7" ${b%$,Z
<pinPoint> being using that crap since forever and nothing
<tuggy> CraZy675, oh ok... just makin sure cause ntfs writing is still a linux no no
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<tuggy> pinPoint, I wouldnt expect anything from dell to work right
<CraZy675> tuggy, yea all i want to do is see my documents and copy some over using ftp, I can do that right?
<CraZy675> tuggy, but at this point i can't even see any files
<Jlk> gjf
<pinPoint> just what i wanted to hear
<Jlk> rfg
<Jlk> rtg
<tuggy> are you using hoary or warty?
<kosmos> tuggy, its possible but not advisable
<pc03> hi.. anyone with experience with libgphoto2 or gphoto2 on ubuntu.. i don't seem to be getting access to my usb camera.
<CraZy675> warty
* pinPoint runs to a pillow and says bad nasty word!
<kosmos> CraZy675,  sudo mount -t ntfs /media/windows /dev/hda1
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<kosmos> shoud work fine
<petemc> umask=022 will allow your normal user to read the mount
<kosmos> ah sry
<kosmos> CraZy675,  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows
* tuggy not to up to date with mounting windows drives... doesnt have windows in his house at all :)
<petemc> -o umask=022
<dweaver> sabmoc, your back, I was getting lonely.
<tuggy> you know where the name windows came from?
<gbanay> GDM on my box types hebrew, how do i make it type english so i can type my usename and login?
<tuggy> its the easiest intrussion point
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<CraZy675> kosmos, wrong fs, bad option
<petemc> gbanay: boot into recovery mode and finish the update?
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<petemc> CraZy675: fdisk -l /dev/hda
<gbanay> petemc, what is recovery mode and how do i boot into it?
<pinPoint> tuggy: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=485115&Sku=D700-2148&SRCCODE=WEBGOOAUT&CMP=KNC-GOOGL
<petemc> gbanay: should be an option when you boot
<gbanay> petemc, ok, i'll try it, thanks
<sabmoc> tuggy, actually its because of the gui that they call it windows, but I like your version better.
<CraZy675> petemc, yep that did it the ntfs was hda2
<CraZy675> thanks
<petemc> np
<petemc> CraZy675: for the record, you dont need to use ftp, just cp the stuff you need
<shmoolik> good morning
<pinPoint> i will buy that card right now!!!!
<aeolist_> i am trying to compile a kernel, and i get a drivers/block/cloop.c missing error
* pinPoint hands the middle finger to dell
<tuggy> lol @ pinPoint
<petemc> im using a dell latitude now, everything works
<shmoolik> does  some one here got his webcam  working on Ubuntu?
<tuggy> yeah, dlink stuff has a good reputation for working in linux
* hannes_ has a dell dimension :P
<hannes_> and it works just fine
<dweaver> shmoolik: Good Morning to you although I haven't finished my last beer yet.
<tuggy> WOOHOO!! any washington users here? Linuxfest Northwest is in 41 day!!
* tuggy is such a dork
<tuggy> I have to spend 8 hours a day dealing with windows users... its nice to come home and chat with people that have a clue when it come to computing
<dweaver> ditto that
<tritium> tuggy, used to live in WA
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<tritium> tuggy, I'm from New Mexico, where we have droughts all the time ;)
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<tritium> you, cut it out
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<Sloppy> t-t-t-today junior
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<tuggy> hey you... NOCK IT OFF!!
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<tuggy> he is acting like a 9 year old troll... maybe he is a gentoo user?
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<Sloppy> will gnome 2.10 show up for warty users?
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<pinPoint> where can i get AR5212 Atheros DWL-G650
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<CraZy675> can i mount an ftp drive?
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<tuggy> pinPoint, find out which version of that card has that chip set, then try to buy that version
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<pinPoint> tuggy: where do i start looking... google doesnt even bring anythhing up
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<CraZy675> Ghost-nine, quick example?
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<EfentharWireless> you, please leave the channel now...
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<jimarko> CraZy675: yep, i think you can by using -t ftp when mounting
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<petemc> spectrm: what do you have to do to get a voice in #freenode?
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<Ghost-nine> CraZy675, in nautilus, file > connect to server
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<spectrm> petemc: lol...catch an ops attention...but we're already on it
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<CraZy675> Ghost-nine, wait you lost me nautilus
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<CraZy675> Ghost-nine, the live cd
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<Ghost-nine> CraZy675, so you're using gnome
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<CraZy675> Ghost-nine, right
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<Ghost-nine> nautilus is the file manager
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<CraZy675> Ghost-nine, oh ok, i've only ever used kde
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<Ghost-nine> CraZy675, ah, well, on the desktop... open "Computer" icon
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<tuggy> pinPoint, http://support.dlink.com/products/revision.asp?productid=DWL-G650
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<CraZy675> Ghost-nine, yea i think i can get it from here
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<xigle1> damn, gaim doesn't have /ignore
<CraZy675> just have to set up dhcp server
<zerokarmaleft> finally
<spectrm> xiglet: maybe you should use a REAL client ;)
<Ghost-nine> xiglet, use the command manually
<Ghost-nine> spectrm, haha
<pinPoint> tuggy: http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=33-127-116-08.JPG/33-127-116-06.JPG/33-127-116-07.JPG/33-127-116-04.JPG&CurImage=33-127-116-08.JPG&Type=Refurbished
<dweaver> you,we didn;t even know you
<spectrm> dweaver: but I'm glad we don't
<xiglet> i used it manually .. but yes, x-chat is much better when it comes to irc
<dweaver> :)
<xiglet> tried hoary preview about 1 week ago .. finally a distro that was able to configure my integrated 802.11g card by deafult. :D
<xiglet> and i'm back to gnome again :)
<zerokarmaleft> xiglet, what were you using during your gnome hiatus?
<CraZy675> how do i set the static IP and gateway and so on, using the live cd?
<sabmoc> spectrm, are you on the ubuntu team?
<spectrm> sabmoc: no
<spectrm> sabmoc: just another IRCer sick of the bullshit
<sabmoc> Are any of the ubuntu team awake? ping ping ping
<xiglet> zerokarmaleft: well ... fedora core 1 and so ... I guess, 2.4 or something. there have been some improvements since then
<spectrm> I wished I was staff so I could drop you off the network
<spectrm> excuse me
<spectrm> 'you' off the network
<Ghost-nine> why the shit talk spacey
<sabmoc> huh?
<Ghost-nine> err
<Ghost-nine> spectrm,
<spectrm> sabmoc: the guy spamming before
<sabmoc> it wasnt me!
<petemc> heh
<spectrm> sabmoc: I know
<Ghost-nine> sabmoc, no his nick was "YOU"
<spectrm> sabmoc: but his nick was 'you'
<sabmoc> lol
<xiglet> zerokarmaleft: there is still things I like much more with KDE, but .. I just don't like looking at it ... even if I find a theme I like .. It just looks like windows for 8 year old girls  :)
<pinPoint> tuggy: youa round?
<tuggy> pinPoint, p://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357&question=General%20Wireless
<Ghost-nine> haha
<tuggy> http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357&question=General%20Wireless
<zerokarmaleft> xiglet, lmao
<Ghost-nine> nice description xiglet
<pinPoint> tuggy: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=485115&CatId=0
<sabmoc> yeah it was 'girl' for a while, then 'brans5' now i see it is 'you'
<sabmoc> same ip for all three names
<tuggy> that has which dlink cards have linux drives
<spectrm> sabmoc: well...he's gone now...good thing
<zerokarmaleft> xiglet, felt the same way when i used kde 3.2 on gentoo
<spectrm> kde is...well...I'll keep my opinions to myself
<sabmoc> spectrm, this is the third time today, I think chances are good we have not seen the last of 'you'
<xiglet> zerokarmaleft: gnome just ... give me a good feeling ;-)
<pinPoint> tuggy: ...
<tuggy> pinPoint, looks like all the dwl-g650 cards have drivers\
<xiglet> kde have some great features though
<underlord> i want to execute a program at command line, but make it terminate in 10 seconds from the launch time if it doesn't terminate itself, is this easy in bash/ubuntu?
<sabmoc> GNOME is sexy
<pinPoint> ah
<Ghost-nine> sabmoc, eh, OSX is sexy... gnome is usable ;P
<spectrm> e17 is sexy
<Ghost-nine> that too
<spectrm> the rest are just there
<pinPoint> except for K1
<sabmoc> OSX is candy, GNOME is sexy, KDE is plastic, WINDOWS is shit
<spectrm> Kwin is slow, bloated, and buggy
<Ghost-nine> spectrm, idea for new ubuntu livecd, Ebuntu
<spectrm> Ghost-nine: YES!!!!
<spectrm> Ghost-nine: excellent idea
<Ghost-nine> there's already kubuntu
<tuggy> so with hoary, any of the dwl-g650 cards should work out of the box
<Ghost-nine> why not Ebuntu?
<xiglet> but I have one problem with ubuntu. Installed hoary the same day the preview was released, added the repo's multiverse, marillat and universe and was able to install xmms, xine, mplayer etc. Did the same thing now after a reinstall but now I'm getting a lot of errors. Some dependencie problems. Anyone experienced something like this?
<sabmoc> xiglet, yep
<tuggy> xiglet, there is like 60 updates a day
<tuggy> it is going to be like this till april 6th
<sabmoc> xiglet, right now so many packages are being updated that things are a bit funky
<spectrm> xiglet: the repo's might not be compatible
<xiglet> ok, I see
<spectrm> xiglet: ubuntu's still going through some infrastructure dev
<sabmoc> xiglet, after its 'officially' release everything will calm way down and stuff should just work
<spectrm> xiglet: I'd check with a project lead
<xiglet> ok, thanks
<spectrm> xiglet: I can't see the errors from here
<spectrm> xiglet: otherwise I'd prolly be able to figure it out
<xiglet> so I should stick to stable I guess
<spectrm> xiglet: maybe uninstall and reinstall the packages
<sabmoc> or just dont upgrade until its released
<sabmoc> are most of the bugs involving mplayer xiglet ?
<xiglet> I just tried spamassassin. It said : Depends: libhtml-parser-perl (>= 3.31) but it is not installable
<pinPoint> how does one remove a minipci card
<pinPoint> where is it?
<pinPoint> on a laptop
<spectrm> pinPoint: pcmcia slot
<spectrm> ??
<pinPoint> no
<pinPoint> its builtin
<sabmoc> heh, goodlucky
<spectrm> pinPoint: wanna start scrapping your lappy already?
<pinPoint> had for 7+months
<xiglet> maybe it is some other problems here. But it's strange, the only thing I did after install was to create gpg keys (as the wiki said) and added multiverse , marillat and universe
<tuggy> pinPoint, probably under the keyboard in under a back panel
<pinPoint> hell ya! if that means i get a new pcmcia card
<xiglet> sabmoc: so no, now it suddenly appears to involve a lot of packages...
<pinPoint> if i do get a pcmcia card
<pinPoint> will it be wlan1 or 0
<sabmoc> im pretty sure taking your laptop appart will void any warrenty
<tuggy> pin you can just leave the minipci card in
<spectrm> pinPoint: ifconfig
<tuggy> its not going to hurt anything
<tuggy> unless you want to say... smash it
<sabmoc> xiglet, yep, its just the blitz, wait a while or maybe try reinstalling if possible.
<pinPoint> im angry at it
<pinPoint> we settle it out one on one
<tuggy> lol
<spectrm> 3am already....damn
<pinPoint> me and the card
<sabmoc> sleep is for the weak
<xiglet> sabmoc: I just reinstalled. But I guess I'll have to live with it as long as it is unstable
<sabmoc> you dont want sleep
<sabmoc> xiglet, yep, pretty much
<xiglet> thank you
* tuggy needs to get to bed soon so I can go to work in the morning and help windows idiots with their "puters"
<xiglet> I hope hoary will be released soon then :)
<tuggy> xiglet, just keep updating till it works right
<xiglet> sleep? I'm just about to dress up for snowboard skiing
<tuggy> then dont update untill after release
<sabmoc> xiglet, install apt-listbugs
<xiglet> sabmoc: error on that one as well :)
<sabmoc> lol
<sabmoc> nicely played!
<sabmoc> oh well, i tried
* sabmoc kicks xiglet
<xiglet> :) sabmoc .. http://paste.plone.org/1116
* tuggy turn between wanting to use ubuntu or kubuntu
<xiglet> Guess I'll try with a new reinstall tonight ... without these unofficial repos
* Ghost-nine <BMP> (Playing #222/273) Busta Rhymes - EVERYBODY RISE (0:09/2:59)
<Ghost-nine> oops
<tuggy> I tried the kubuntu live disk... KDE 3.4 is pretty damn sweet
<Ghost-nine> wrong channel
<Ghost-nine> :/
<membreya> die Ghost-nine !
<Ghost-nine> hey watch it...
<Ghost-nine> ;P
<tuggy> xiglet, the one that probably messed you up was the marrilat
<tuggy> I have been using universe and multiverse with no problems
<xiglet> tuggy: ok ... i'll try to go easy on that one next time then
<tuggy> JUST use marrilat to get w32codecs and libdvdcss2 then shut it off
<xiglet> ok, good idea
<njs12345> hmm
<njs12345> my sound seems to have gone all of a sudden
<tuggy> njs- I think it has to do with the update from today
<tuggy> your not the first to say it
<njs12345> tuggy: that's quite possible
<tuggy> are you using hoary?
<njs12345> yup
<njs12345> when I run `esd` I get
<xiglet> array-7 is the same as preview, only a few days newer?
<njs12345> njs@nick-bedroom:/dev $ esd
<njs12345> /dev/dsp: No such device
<tuggy> hmm
<kosmos> hm, sount turns out to be a real issue ;)
<njs12345> which is strange, because I can cat /dev/dsp just fine
<tuggy> have you made sure to turn the volume back up?
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, can you play sound as root?
<themaxx> Hello everyone.. I am in Taiwan and the Ubuntu's FTP server is slow as hell...  I'm trying to grap array 7 but at this speed it'll finnish in a week!!
<tuggy> I know afte the update it turns the volume back down
<pinPoint> tuggy: what do you think :: ===->http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=485115&CatId=0
<themaxx> Anyone knows a mirror???
<njs12345> Ghost-nine: no
<njs12345> root@nick-bedroom:/dev # cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio
<njs12345> bash: /dev/audio: No such device
<tuggy> pinPoint, I think it will work
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, only reason i could think thats doesnt work, is because your audio card wasnt detected
<themaxx> The torrent is also verry slow...
<tuggy> all three revisions have drivers
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, what audio card?
<njs12345> Ghost-nine: it was working before, and if I run lsmod I get all the right drivers
<tuggy> themaxx, you a sam keith fan?
<dizzie> themaxx, try -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
<njs12345> Ghost-nine: it was working before.. lemme find it in hal-device-manager
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, what did you do before it stopped working?
<themaxx> tuggy: I've never heard of him ;) I'm not Taiwanese..  I moved here recently to learn Mandarin
<wdh> brrr :S
<njs12345> Ghost-nine: I updated
<njs12345> I was running hoary before, and I'm running hoary now, and it just stopped working over an update
<wdh> learn Mandarin.. sounds awfully hard
<Rattboi> yeah, so is Cantonese
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, well.... hal can detect things that aren't exactly supported, like my secondary disk controller
<Rattboi> my gf wants me to learn
<tuggy> oh ok... Sam Keith is an american book writer... he created the comic "The Maxx"
<themaxx> and it IS heheheh granted that I don't have any language skills :P
<Rattboi> The Maxx is the shit
<njs12345> I suck so hard at languages
<Rattboi> I watched the whole series...too bad I was like 11, and totally didn't get it
<tuggy> pinPoint, do you have a best buy or a circuit city near by?
<themaxx> I think Cantonese is even harder... they use 7 tones,... while Mandarin uses 4 :P
<pinPoint> best buy but its expensive. around 60 bucks there
<tuggy> Rattboi, the series was ok, but the comic books were way better
<pinPoint> still good since shippin from only rounds to 60 too
<wdh> themaxx, i was trying to learn hebrew a while ago... didnt manage to do it.. guess i will start over again :P
<pinPoint> online*
<themaxx> Oh!!!!! Yeah!!! I loved that anime!! That was originaly on MTV I think with Aeon Flux I believe right?
<CraZy675> i can't figure out how to mount an ftp drive, or even how to access an ftp directory from the live cd
<Smeven> how do i set nfs to listen on all devices when it starts (instead of only localhost)?
<tuggy> What I was going to say is, if you buy it from somewhere like best buy if it dont work you can take it back and try another one
<membreya> aeon flux movie will be interesting :)
<wdh> CraZy675, an ftpdrive??
<njs12345> Ghost-nine: I guess that might be possible - but if it was detected before and it only broke in the past few days, that would suggest it was supported
<membreya> though they screwed up the hair style
<themaxx> I know many students at my school who study more then 5 hours a day!!! 5 whole hours!!!!! For a 2 hours dalay class
<Smeven> anyone?
<kosmos> CraZy675, try gFTP
<pinPoint> tuggy: you have a point
<pinPoint> ill try that tomorrow
<CraZy675> wdh, I am using a live cd and i want to take my files from ntfs and put them on my ftp server
<CraZy675> is gftp on the live cd?
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, yea, sounds like some config was overwritten...
<kosmos> hm
<tuggy> Thats how I do my linux compatability testing ;)
<wdh> CraZy675, as kosmos said.. try gFTP
<michel> mozilla
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, try running 'alsaconf'
<kosmos> if, not the you can use ftp command on shell
<zzyber> can someone explain or give direction where to read more about locales. Im going crazy. For more than a year i have had problems with files and invalid unicode, applications not showing my language (swedish) and so on. Whats the diffrent between utf-8 and iso-8859-1 and why is ubuntu using utf-8 when its not "compatible". What do ms windows use? Never had a problem with locales in windows
<CraZy675> wdh, I don't think gftp is on the live cd
<perhe> Hey, I'm trying to set up wlan, and I know next to nothing.. can someone tell me at least how to start checking if i got cards and software that i need ?
<njs12345> does ubuntu use hoary?
<kosmos> ftp [host]  [port] 
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<njs12345> oops
<wdh> CraZy675, i dont care about what you think.. you can at least try
<njs12345> I meant does ubuntu use alsa
<njs12345> lol
<aeolist_> yeap
<tuggy> Ok I need to get to bed
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, no alsaconf?
<pinPoint> how do they come up with this names
<pinPoint> warty hoary ubuntu
<sabmoc> hmmm
<pinPoint> eesh!
<njs12345> nope
<Ghost-nine> eh?
<tuggy> pinPoint, they actually give explanations of the names in the wiki
<membreya> pinPoint: animal names :)
<pinPoint> gftp is not AUTHENTICATED?
<pinPoint> what!!?
<njs12345> the oss drivers are loaded but not the ALSA ones, if I remember correctly from my time with Gentoo
<membreya> hoary hedgehog, warty warthog..grump groundhog (i think)
<wdh> CraZy675, you can open it in nautilus probably: ftp://user:password@address:port
<perhe> how can I check if my 'eth1' is working (wlan) ?
<wdh> ifconfig eth1
<membreya> perhe: go to a terminal and type ifconfig -a
<tuggy> membreya, the next release is Breezy Badger
<pinPoint> gftp is safe isnt it?
<sabmoc> why not "Badger with gas"?
<wdh> pinPoint, ftp is never safe :)
<njs12345> Ghost-nine: have any ideas how I could fix my alsa?
<tuggy> it means "fresh brisk and full of life"
<membreya> i thought next release was grumpy
<CraZy675> ok thnaks
<themaxx> dizzie sugested me to visted http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive to get a mirror closer to me. Are these mirrors suposed to hve the array 7 ISO  ???
<Amaranth> pinPoint: Not really, the FTP protocol isn't secure.
<tuggy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20381
<wdh> membreya, it is..
<Ghost-nine> njs12345, i thought ubuntu used alsa
<tuggy> that the announcement to the next release name
<sabmoc> Ghost-nine, it does
<Ghost-nine> then he should have alsaconf
<pinPoint> wdh: Sftp?
<sabmoc> alsa is the default sound driver for the 2.6 kernel
<Amaranth> pinPoint: sftp would be good, yeah :P
<wdh> pinPoint, sftp helps alot
<perhe> ok, so eth1 is there then I guess, now if I want to use wlan, how do I start it ? i know username and what not for it.. ive installed wlan-ng and vpnc and tried around but can't figure it out
<Amaranth> pinPoint: of course iirc sftp is just ssh + scp but it's still good
<perhe> if I try to activate eth1 it deactivates itself automaticly
<pinPoint> is there clients for ubuntu
* tuggy time for bed
<njs12345> Amaranth: I thought sftp is ssh+ftp
<membreya> perhe: check your dmesg
<tuggy> G night everyone
<pinPoint> tuggy: good night, ill be leaving too
<sabmoc> bye tuggy
<Gul3> hello. i'm trying to pair my nokia 6230 with gnome-phone-manager, but it fails because i don't know what password i should type on the 6230 when phone-manager asks for it! anyone?
<sabmoc> yeah me 2
<Amaranth> njs12345: you mean ssl+ftp?
<Amaranth> Gul3: if you didn't set the password your provider did
<pinPoint> any sftp clients anywhere
<njs12345> Amaranth: turns out it is SSH+FTP
<sabmoc> Gul3,  you want us to tell you your password? its 'booby'
<njs12345> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_FTP
<Amaranth> Gul3: did the phone come with a manual?
<wdh> membreya, im confused.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
<njs12345> oh
<njs12345> maybe not
<pinPoint> Gul3: default Nokia 12345
<njs12345> it's not like FTP
<Amaranth> secure ftp != sftp
<membreya> wdh: what are you confused about ?
<Gul3> Amaranth: it's the password gnome-phone-manager needs i need.
<pinPoint> ?
<njs12345> and it's not exactly like scp either
<wdh> membreya, this states clearly that it will be grumpy groundhog..
<Amaranth> Gul3: to your keyring?
<njs12345> it's like.. fully encrypted ftp, but with more features than scp
<membreya> that's right wdh
<djp> morning world!
<membreya> hey djp
<Gul3> Amaranth: ?
<pinPoint> so what client should i get for sftp then
<wdh> membreya, then what about 'breezy badger'?
<djp> Just woken up to a strange message in my mbox
<membreya> wdh, tuggy said breezy badger..and he was wrong
<Amaranth> Gul3: does the password say it's access your keyring?
<pinPoint> what about Angry Monkeys
<njs12345> pinPoint: I would have thought nautilus worked with sftp..
<djp> Subject:  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
<Amaranth> Gul3: err, the password dialog
<pinPoint> njs12345: gui based?
<njs12345> yeah
<njs12345> it's like the file manager of GNOME
<Amaranth> nautilus works with sftp, choose ssh as the protocol
<djp> message as follows; /etc/cron.daily/slocate:
<djp> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
<wdh> membreya, it looks like it is mentioned only a few days ago on the forums..
<Amaranth> Places->Connect to server...
<pinPoint> Places?
<pinPoint> ???
<djp> any ideas?
<pinPoint> ah
<membreya> hmmm, if daniels was here, he would clear it up :)
<pinPoint> just new to it
<pinPoint> hehe
<njs12345> pinPoint: you are running GNOME, aren't you?
<wdh> membreya, :)
<Gul3> Amaranth: i think maybe you misunderstood my terrible sense of explaining.. lol. i start up phone-manager, try to connect to the phone via bluetooth, then the phone says: enter password. but i don't have that password.
<wdh> membreya, never mind :) hoary will do for now
<pinPoint> njs12345: no no no. sftp isnt on the list
<Amaranth> Gul3: the phone does?
<membreya> djp: go to a terminal and do a sudo slocate -u
<Gul3> Amaranth: yes
<pinPoint> sftp only in console
<Amaranth> Gul3: i mean, it wants you to enter a password on the phone
<Gul3> Amaranth: yeah, thats right
<Amaranth> Gul3: try your user password, if that doesn't read read your phone's manual
<njs12345> pinPoint: I tried this
<njs12345> opened a folder on my desktop
<njs12345> pressed Ctrl+L
<njs12345> and entered sftp://ftp.gnome.org/
<njs12345> and it worked like it should have done
<Amaranth> wtf, ftp.gnome.org supports sftp?
<Gul3> Amaranth: the phone's manual have nothing to do with this. it has to be the gnome-phone-manager.
<njs12345> apparently
<Gul3> Amaranth: but i can't find the documentation for the application
<Amaranth> Gul3: I have no clue, thus the manual.
<Gul3> Amaranth: ok.. but thanks anyway
<Gul3> :)
<Amaranth> Gul3: I think the phone wants a password to authorize sending the data to the computer.
<djp> membreya: doing that...
<Amaranth> Gul3: Which if you didn't set should be mentioned in the manual.
<pinPoint> Gul3: you try 12345
<Gul3> pinPoint: did not work
<Amaranth> Gul3: I can almost guarantee it isn't gnome-phone-manager
<Gul3> Amaranth: why? it is gnome-phone-manager who asks for the password.
<Amaranth> Gul3: You just said it wasn't!
<Amaranth> Gul3: Do you need to enter the password in the phone or on the computer?
* pinPoint good night!
<djp> membreya: ok it has finished doing whatever it was doing. now what?
<membreya> now djp ..nothing..it's created it's db file :)
<Gul3> Amaranth: lol. g-p-m asks, but i have to type it in on the phone. lol. when gnome-phone-manager finds the phone it sends a password-request (?) to the phone.
<Gul3> Amaranth: that i have to type in on the phone.
<djp> membreya: so that message i recevied ahould have disappeared, right?
<perhe> and what should I look for in dmesg ?
* Amaranth falls over
<Gul3> Amaranth: do you see?
<membreya> it won't happen again djp, no
<membreya> djp, just to be sure, in the terminal type sudo -s, to do a cd /var/lib/slocate and see if slocate.db is there
<Amaranth> Gul3: Ok, the password you use to sign in to the computer didn't work?
<Gul3> Amaranth: this is standard "pairing" in the wonderful world of bluetooth. but i don't know the password gnome-phone-manager wants. maybe it is saved in an text file somewhere, but the application don't have man-pages:(
<perhe> membreya, what should I look for in dmesg ? I see 'eth1: no IPv6 routers present'
<membreya> perhe: look for a reason as to why it's not activating
<Gul3> Amaranth: it has to be numric.
<Amaranth> Gul3: 00000?
<perhe> membreya, quite a list there, and I don't understand much to being with .. this thing is the only place I see eth1 mentioned i think though
<membreya> perhe: do a dmesg |grep eth1
<Smeven> mount: RPC: Program not registered
<Gul3> Amaranth: no.. just a wild guess? lol
<Smeven> what causes that error?
<Amaranth> Gul3: That's the password for accessing specials things on some phones. ;)
<UglyP> Hello, some help. Ive updated to Hoary, and now my XMMS wont work. Im sure I have all the correct libs, but it locks up when I start it. Anyone know what the problem is?
<Gul3> Amaranth: ok. lol
<membreya> UglyP: what happens when you run it from the terminal ?
<perhe> membreya, yeah, only the one I told you .. 'eth1: no IPv6 routers present'
<Gul3> Amaranth: but it did not work:(
<membreya> hrm
<UglyP> The exact same! Opens the window, when I click play, I get no sound and it locks up, have to kill the process.
<perhe> membreya, where do i configure it with username and such for my wlan though ?
<membreya> not sure sorry perhe
<djp> membreya: sorry, disappeared, due to responsibilities for a certain 2 year old! was going to ask you what the message i received referred too?
<membreya> slocate, it's akin to locate however it's "secure" meaning that it only searches files that you should have access to :)
<Smeven> mount: RPC: Program not registered
<Smeven> what does that mean?
<themaxx> I finaly found a fast mirror to download an ISO. I would just like to know if the ISO dated on the 10th is the same as array7 ??
<membreya> the message you received djp, means that slocate doesn't have an initial database created..the slocate -u that you did created that database
<bob2> themaxx: check the md5sums
<djp> membreya: ok, thanks
<themaxx> :P Oups....  that was so obvious LOL :P sorry la hehehe
<themaxx> Thanks :P hehehe
<themaxx> I'm new to Linux and md5sums is not part of my computer cultur yet I guess :P
<membreya> perhe: go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
<themaxx> (btw I tried  few distro before Ubuntu and I must say apt-get is a marvel!!!)
<apokryphos> themaxx: it certainly is :). But note that many distros have it
<perhe> membreya, thanks I'll check it out!
<themaxx> apokryphos: I knew of its Debian origine but that was it ;)
<comfrey_> hey all
<comfrey_> anyone know about ignor trackpad while typint settings
<aeolist_>  does anybody know how i can remove everything inside a [ ]  with vi?
<djp> membreya: do i need to run the command that was reported as being run as a cron job? i.e., test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
<membreya> nope, you should be fine :)
<membreya> the file'
<membreya> s
<membreya> created now
<lok> aeolist_, why do you use vi for such a thing ?
<lok> use sed
<bob2> sed will only work on single lines
<lok> sed works one times on a line you want to say ?
<membreya> i cringe to think how many base commands are built into linux ...and how many are actually used by everyday users :)
<slept> which port is the cupsserver at ?
<pc03> hi.. anyone with experience with libgphoto2 or gphoto2 on ubuntu.. i don't seem to be getting access to my usb camera.
<slept> localhost:?
<slept> pc03 : you can mount it
<membreya> slept: cups is on 631
<bob2> lok: no, I mean "it only works on single lines". vim could delete intervening text that spanned multiple lines.
<membreya> slept: http://localhost:631/printers
<slept> thanks
<keffo> hm guys, one for all. what direct client to use in linux?
<membreya> "direct client" ?
<Ghost-nine> direct to what?
<keffo> direct connect
<keffo> sry, just woke up
<membreya> oh, you mean DC :)
<keffo> ofc ;)
<membreya> ofc?
<membreya> :|
<membreya> damn acronyms!
<keffo> of course
<bob2> it's a random "file-trading" client
<bob2> ala kazaa
<keffo> ok, ill go poop.. when i gets back, i want a nice answer ;P
<keffo> direct connect
<Ghost-nine> membreya, yea, i hate remembering them too
<pc03> slept.. wan-t to control the camera via gphoto2
<keffo> its not really like kazaa
<keffo> ;9
<membreya> DC works off of "hubs"
<lok> bob2, I don't understand on one text of some lines like [foo]  and [bar]  , if I use  sed s/"\[.*\] "/"\[\] "/ on it all the lines change to [] 
<bob2> I don't understand your question
<bob2> that's not what I was talking about before, tho
<gabbana> Hi, is it "save" to remove ubuntu-desktop without loosing some functionality?
<slept> gabana :apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
<apokryphos> gabbana: safe -- yes, of course. It's only a metapackage
<Burgundavia> gabbana: yes and no
<Burgundavia> gabbana: if you remove it and the devs change a package, then you won't get the change
<Burgundavia> otherwise, yes
<gabbana> Well, I have install XFCE and want to get rid of the gnome stuff (except for the gnome-volume-manager) because it seems to break some stuff here.
<gabbana> *installed
<apokryphos> gabbana: removing ubuntu-desktop won't remove anything
<gabbana> Ok, while removing gnome packages synaptics told me that ubuntu-desktop would be removed as well - so it's ok. :)
<echnaton> hi @all
<spectrm> gabbana: what WM/DE are you planning on using?
<echnaton> what about enlightenment dr17?
<spectrm> echnaton: I love it...wouldn't use anything else
<echnaton> me 2
<spectrm> echnaton: but it's not for the faint of heart, quite yet
<echnaton> yes youre right
<spectrm> echnaton: you got the pager running yet?
<echnaton> no i havent tried yet
<spectrm> echnaton: enlightenment_remote -module-load pager
<spectrm> echnaton: then go to your modules menu
<apokryphos> gabbana: it is ok, yes.
<gabbana> spectrm, I'm using XFCE 4.2
<gabbana> I prefer performance over feature-rich environments.
<echnaton> it have to install enlightenment dr17 an ubuntu! i installed it on fedora
<spectrm> gabbana: okay...I guess I just don't know what's entailed in the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
<echnaton> spectrm
<spectrm> gabbana: why not have both?
<drasko_> Just wanted to make shure: is the jsdk1.5 the same thing as jdk1.5, since I can only find jdk1.5 on sun's site...
<gabbana> It seems like some gnome stuff is breaking xfce for me. The desktop background won't apply, no context menu either and the taskbar also won't dock apps.
<apokryphos> gabbana: one doesn't have to be sacrificed for the other.
<spiral> hi
<echnaton> spectrm: i only need gcc to compile enlightenment dr17?
<spectrm> drasko_: jsdk will serve the same purpose as well as give more functionality for development
<gabbana> apokryphos, it seems like it has to in my case. I wouldn't bother removing gnome otherwise. :/
<spectrm> echnaton: well...you also need all the EFL packages
<echnaton> yes
<echnaton> i know!
<echnaton> and gtk?
<apokryphos> gabbana: don't know much about gnome; thinking of kde, myself.
<spectrm> eww...kde..*shudders*
<apokryphos> :P
<gabbana> Well, I removed some gnome packages, left the ones relevant for evolution. I'll start a new X session and see how it works out. BRB
<spectrm> echnaton: yes...gtk is still necessary for some packages
<underlord> would a 100 mhz p1 system be enough to do voice recognition, not dictation, just to find a few specific phrases?
<echnaton> ok i can make apt-get install gtk ?
<spectrm> echnaton: but they're porting everything over to EWL, so it's won't be a dep for E packages for too long
<underlord> if it were dedicated to doing that
<spectrm> echnaton: might need gtk2 as well
<echnaton> k
<spectrm> underlord: meh...not sure, really...depends on the benchmarks of the recognition system
<underlord> hrmmm
<echnaton> what exaclty do i need? gtk-eniges???
<underlord> because i have just such a system thats completly useless, and i think it would be realy cool to stick a mic in the roof light and have lighting, music, all that controled via voice, instead of ir remote or anything like that
<spectrm> echnaton: there's a tutorial I found online...I'll link you to it...I think it has an ubuntu section on it
<echnaton> cool
<drasko_> spectrm, but there is not available jsdk1.5 for download on Sun's site, right? I can not find it...
<motuline> Anyone have any idea why RealPlayer won't start
<echnaton> because its shit^^
<nmoore> motuline: i'm working on this just now, try killing esd
<spectrm> echnaton: http://lude.net/edocs/ <- you'll have to hack through the debian install instructions, but it should make things a little easier to figure out
<nmoore> motuline: there are locking problem with sound resources
<echnaton> thank you very much spectrm
<spectrm> drasko_: there is, but sun's site is really messed up...not very intuitive...best bet is to find a version of blackdown...it has a better sandbox for testing binaries anyways
<omniscient> where are latex fonts kept?
<motuline> nmoore: have you same thing with that.. (I click the icon but nothing happened.. or when I run it in terminal it just stay loading)
<nmoore> motuline: the same, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7017.html
<motuline> I think that I need esd :)
<spectrm> drasko_: but anything that says sdk includes the full jdk as well as a development environment
<themaxx> I'm about to intall Ubuntu (Hoary). I have 7GB unprtitioned space for Ubuntu. My laptop has 512MB of ram... Classic question! How should I partition it?? I want to have Suspend-To-Disk....
<nmoore> motuline: that should give you everything you need, although i haven't satisfactorily solved every problem
<motuline> its only working sound device
<motuline> I think
<nmoore> motuline: alsa doesn't work?
<potsed> hi all
<motuline> xmms says that some other device block alsa.. or xmms crashes
<spectrm> themaxx: I don't know much about suspend to disk or how big the ubuntu binaries are, but you should always have a seperate /home partition in case you b0rk the system
<nmoore> try changing your gnome sound subsystem to alsa, you'll lose the parallel streams but gain realplayer if my experience is typical
<spectrm> themaxx: doesn't hurt to have a seperate /boot partition either
<nmoore> themaxx: i second the idea of a home partition, so much easier if you want to change distro
<themaxx> well, I'm npt ready to have a 100% Linux system yet... I have tp learn my way around a bit more... so my user files are now still on my NTFS partions...
<nmoore> themaxx: can you write to them?
<potsed> i have a problem entering passwords in the terminal, in ftp cvs or anything it does not accept. anyone else had similar
<drasko_> spectrm, but I really can't find this sdk version 1.5, only version 1.4. Sun is giving only jdk for 1.5?
<spectrm> themaxx: okay...you're home partition should still be linux based, so I'd say 1 gig for home, 512 meg for boot and the rest for /
<themaxx> I never found a way to under Linux...  so I usualy just copy from NTFS to ext3 back and forth :P
<spectrm> drasko_: all you should really need is the jdk anyways
<motuline> nmoore: Is there some way to uninstall RealPlayer in "right" way
<drasko_> spectrm, thanks!
<spectrm> drasko_: np
<gabbana> Well, no luck. :/
<spectrm> themaxx: how do you mean?
<nmoore> motuline: i'd guess not, why do you want to uninstall it?
<motuline> don't know
<motuline> :)
<potsed> anybody plz
<spectrm> potsed: reinstall pam and pam-login after reinstalling shadow
<themaxx> Well, I'm quite new to Linux and I'm not ready to wipe off my data from my NTFS to ext3 yet. So now I usualy just copy them with readonly from the OS I am..
<spectrm> apt-get install shadow; apt-get install pam pam-login
<nmoore> motuline: better working with it in-place, fiddling with sound should solve the problem
<motuline> how can I remove .bin packages "right" way? do I just remove folders that the installer have made?
<sirukin> hmm
<nmoore> motuline: that's almost certainly all the installer did, so removing folders is fine, but i'd leave it to avoid problems
<themaxx> and SWAP should be about at least 1 time my RAM right?
<drasko_> spectrm, btw, what is supposed to be blackdown?
<potsed> spectrm, thx im a newb with linux.. do i do an apt-get install pam ???
<motuline> nmoore: I'll leave realplayer but i asked it for the future..
<spectrm> themaxx: well...make your boot partition primary at 512megs, I always do swap 2x(physical RAM), home partition 1gig max, for your needs, and the / gets the rest
<spectrm> drasko_: it's an OSS java implementation
<spectrm> potsed: shadow is first
<motuline> I'll try to install mplayer first.. and then solve realplayer problems ^^
<themaxx> spectrm: Thanks! I will follow your advice ;)
<spectrm> potsed: then apt-get install pam pam-login (it should handle two packages in the same command..shadow should be explicitely first_
<spectrm> themaxx: np
<themaxx> All right.. off to install I am! (H) later!!
<Linuxsys> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308?ref=rssdebia
<spectrm> themaxx: g'luck
<Linuxsys> I found this article
<spectrm> Linuxsys: that site also has a great article on securing apache
<themaxx> hehehe I have trust in Ubuntu heheh
<Linuxsys> It's about crushing a PC with a simple shellscript that runs unlimited processes
<Linuxsys> And Ubunutu is affected
<nmoore> Linuxsys: there are easier ways to crush a pc
<spectrm> nmoore: yeah...install windows
<potsed> spectrm: getting "Couldn't find package shadow"
<spectrm> potsed: hmmm
<Linuxsys> Yes, but I think this should be changed. As an administrator who knows about the problem it's no problem, but if a desktop user runs, eg an buggy program, Ubuntu will always crush when it runs into such a problem
<spectrm> lemme flip through the ubuntu repo...anyone have a URI?
<Linuxsys> It isn't only an security, it's also I think a problem in stability
<spectrm> Linuxsys: most important thing is for users to know and be aware what their system is asking them to do
<spectrm> Linuxsys: that's how that Sun/Firefox/IE problem propegated
<lok> Linuxsys, I think they have multiple way to handle such things, maybe quota process or something else
<spectrm> anyone have a URL for an ubuntu repo?
<malte> spectrm, deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
<spectrm> malte: thnx
<gbanay> after upgrading to hoary everything i type in GDM is in hebrew (should be english). how do i fix that?
<marcel__> does ubuntu provide support for the Debian menu system?
<spectrm> malte: you know what package shadow would be included in?
<keffo> what ftp-clients best?
<keffo> in your opinions
<_4strO|Ult1m4t3> ++ all
<spectrm> keffo: ftp
<spectrm> keffo: cli rocks
<nmoore> keffo: gftp is acceptable
<keffo> ok
<keffo> i dun like gftp at all .<
<Rattboi> gftp kinda sucks
<Rattboi> compared to like smartftp for windows
<keffo> wich one should i use then ;P
<spectrm> keffo: gnome-commander can be used as an ftp client and power-filebrowser
<keffo> i want a app made for ftp so.. .<
<spectrm> keffo: multipaneled browsing and ftp
<spectrm> keffo: it handles the same as smartftp
<spectrm> keffo: two seperate panels
<quartz> I just instaled win2000. How can i add it to Grub?
<lok> if you use ftp just sometimes you can also use nautilus
<spectrm> keffo: there's inherently no difference between handling FSs on an ftp mount as opposed to local mount...the system API is still the same
<zzyber> if i connect to another linux (debian) with ssh i dont get swedish characters, is it a way round this?
<gbanay> can someone help me? i cannot login because i can't type my username...
<spectrm> zzyber: change the local specification for your shell in your home dir
<csj> BTW, and is any gui ftp client cnould remenber that  unfinish download last time?
<spectrm> zzyber: depends on the shell and flavor of distro, though...so check debian howtos
<chickenman> hey every one :D
<motuline> YEA.. Now mplayer-gui works ^^
<zzyber> spectrm, i use utf-8 but i think the debian server is running iso8859-1 can that be the problem?
<spectrm> potsed: can't see which package includes shadow...but if you reinstall pam and pam-login then log out and back in it should correct the problem
<potsed> spectrm: k ill give it a go thx..
<spectrm> zzyber: like I said, I think it's mostly in your shell rc file in your home dir...see if there's a ~/.bashrc, if not, make one and follow debian's method for making swedish characters in the shell, if it still doesn't work after that contact your network admin
<malte> keffo, lftp! :)
<zzyber> spectrm, okey, thx
<malte> spectrm, 2 sec
<potsed> spectrm: same prob .. "Couldn't find package pam"
<spectrm> potsed: wow....that's strange as hell
* Tomcat_ burns KUbuntu :o
<spectrm> potsed: what DE/WM?
<malte> spectrm, hum. apt-file can't find the packages that contains shadow
<spectrm> malte: strange
<spectrm> malte: I'd assume pam and shadow are used if it runs gnome
<jintxo> hey guys, anyone got a script or pointers to one to set id3 tags based on filenames?
<spectrm> hell..those are included by default, most times
<iRob> try an app called EasyTag
<spectrm> jintxo: easytag
<jintxo> :-)
<jintxo> thanks
<spectrm> iRob: ;)
<iRob> great minds think alike
<potsed> spectrm: ??DE/WM??
<niran> jinxto: i second the easytag recommendation, but i think it breaks on non english tags
<niran> so dont run it over your whole collection, or some things might break
<iRob> potsed, gnome
<jintxo> I was trying to bake up a script with awk (or sed) and usind "id3" to set the tag.... kinda hard :-p lemme check out easytag
<spectrm> potsed: desktop environment/window manager
<iRob> jintxo, just trying out Audio Tag Tool...looks promising too...
* H0lyD4wg cannot login graphically because eveything he types to GDM turns to hebrew, needs help. (just upgraded to hoary)
<jintxo> niran, thanks, it's just a few directories
<potsed> spectrm: using gnome2 ubuntu warty 4.10
<spectrm> potsed: gnome2??
<Amaranth> 2.8
<spectrm> Amaranth: okay...better
<iRob> growisofs wont burn faster that 4x on my 8x DVD-R's....anything I should be setting/checking?
<Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: System->Preferences->Keyboard?
<spectrm> potsed: honestly, reinstalling shadow, pam and pam-login fixed it in FC3 and gentoo when it happened to me...if those packages aren't in the repo or are named something else, I honestly wouldn't know where to start
<motuline> how i can make mplayer use esd sound device?
<optika> motuline: see /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
<potsed> spectrm: thx for trying, appreciate it... i'll keep looking
<H0lyD4wg> Amaranth, I can't login to gnome. i must do everything from the CLI.
<spectrm> potsed: maybe describe your problem to Amaranth or iRob...I'm just not familiar with ubuntu
<Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: That isn't quite true. logging in through cli then running startx should get you to gnome
<Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: first do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure you have the right one set
<Amaranth> spectrm: I don't go that low level. :P
<spectrm> Amaranth: ah
<tux> I have ubuntu hoary and I want to be warned of the bugs of the packages when I do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. How can I do it?
<Chipzz> tux: dunnow if that is possible, but there is something else that may help you
<Amaranth> tux: get a time machine so you can go back in time and tell yourself not to install those if they have bugs?
<spectrm> isn't there an RSS feed for ubuntu updates and security patches?
<H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: en_US.UTF8 is the default. startx gives me an error: user not authorized to run the x server.
<Chipzz> tux: apt-listchanges, it shows you the changelog between the version currently installed and the version to be installed
<Burgundavia> tux: when hoary becomes stable, there will a mailing list for security updates
<Amaranth> tux: seriously, not possible
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> should one edit xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 these days ?
<spectrm> Amaranth: isn't there an RSS feed for ubuntu updates and security patches?
<iRob> az[a] zel_ubuntu, xorg is you are using it.
<sirukin> hoary?
<Amaranth> spectrm: It wouldn't tell you if apt-get dist-upgrade would introduce new bugs.
<Burgundavia> tux: you can also subscribe to the warty mailing list for security updates, anything is warty is also going to be updated in hoary generally
<apokryphos> az[a] zel_ubuntu: xorg.conf is the one to go for; regardless of what x you're using
<Burgundavia> az[a] zel_ubuntu: hoary=xorg warty=xfree86
<apokryphos> (in hoary)
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> cool thanks
<spectrm> Amaranth: no...but you should always review all software updates before making the changes
<tux> amaranth: I have installed the package apt-listbugs but I don't know how I can use it
<Daelomin> hi everyone
<Amaranth> spectrm: meh, i know what most of the packages do and have a live cd for system restoration if something breaks
<Daelomin> glad I found ya :)
<H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: en_US.UTF8 is the default. startx gives me an error: user not authorized to run the x server.
<manchine> hoary loads emu10k1 for my old audigy but it fails to enable sound input. how can i workaround this?
<spectrm> Amaranth: trusy liveCDs
<Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: I saw, I have no idea.
<Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: file a bug
<Daelomin> manchine: do you see the volume move if u play an audio file?
<spectrm> H0lyD4wg: are you running as root?
<H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: i'll file one re:GDM, but in the mean time do you have any idea why can't i startx and what can i do to fix it?
<H0lyD4wg> spectrm: no.
<spectrm> H0lyD4wg: okay...then it sounds broken
<manchine> Daelomin: sure, but only the output
<spectrm> just had to ask since root should never run X
<Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: Ok, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<Amaranth> make sure the keyboard is set to english
<manchine> Daelomin: input has no slide...
<Daelomin> Can anyone tell me what this: mount: special device /dev/hd3 does not exist , refers to? The partition appears in a fdisk -l
<Chipzz> Daelomin: you're missing a letter
<Amaranth> Daelomin: hda3
<scandium> manchine, I have the same problem, input doesn't work for me either
<Amaranth> Daelomin: or hdb3, hdc3, hdd3, etc
<Daelomin> hdb3 sorry
<manchine> scandium: welcome :)
<Daelomin> manchine: did you try running alsa?
<manchine> Daelomin: no alsaconf command available
<manchine> Daelomin: alsa-base is already installed
<manchine> Daelomin: o i need something more?
<raghu> anyone knows good document for NAS
<scandium> manchine, alsa-utils
<scandium> oh, that's not it either
<manchine> scandium: it seems that it didn't help you much :)
<Rattboi> I don't have alsaconf either
<Rattboi> which package is it in?
<scandium> I am also not sure wether I need "alsa" or "esd" in system->preferences->multimedia, both seem to make sense ;)
<kresten> Hi everybody! Does any of you guys (or gals) know if there is a grafical ftp client bundled whith warty?
<jintxo> kresten, try gftp see how it gies
<jintxo> goes
<Daelomin> Man ... this bug is a nasty one: did anyone encounter thispivot_root: No such file or dir /sbin/init : 429 : cannot open dev/console:  no such file Kernel Panic: attempted to kill init!
<Daelomin> it's referenced in Bugzilla but I cant manage to fix it... and now I cant boot inside Ubuntu (using LiveCD now)
<kresten> jintxo, yeah, well. I thougth of that too, but had no luck finding it on my machine... any suggestions?
<Daelomin> kresten:did you install it with synaptic?
<manchine> hehe
<manchine> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
<manchine> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 47 not upgraded.
<manchine> manchine@cm46024:~$ sudo alsaconf
<manchine> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
<jintxo> kresten, you could install it...
<manchine> i wonder where alsaconf is, after all...
<motuline> no realplayer works
<motuline> but i still have no sound in mplayer
<motuline> yes
<kresten> daelomin, Nope, tried with apt, but it said that there was som broken packages...
<motuline> now i have sounds in mplayer
<motuline> :)
<motuline> skilz
<Daelomin> kresten: ah well then its not installed ;P
<Daelomin> kresten: any specific message?
<motuline> Weird
<motuline> :)
<kresten> daelomin, Well I'm trying to resolve my dependencies now
<motuline> xine uses esd, mplayer uses oss and now xmms uses alsa and it works
<Daelomin> has anyone made K3B work?
<joh> Hello, I'm wondering if it is possible to download all packages from the hoary main repositories so installing packages does not require me to download anything from the internet..?
<mchasard> hi
<kresten> Daelomin, But yes. It needed gftp-gtk and some other stuff, but im trying to resolve those dependencies now...
<mchasard> hi
<Daelomin> aight kresten, gl ;)
<Rattboi> Daelomin, I use K3B
<H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: thanks, that fixed it.
<goldfish> mchasard: hi
<kresten> Daelomin, thnx :)
<mchasard> i just test kubuntu ..and i can't mount my other hard disk ...
<Rattboi> all I did was use synaptic, looked it up, installed it, and it also installed a bunch of KDE stuff
<Daelomin> Rattboi: did u have a problem with that goddamn cdrecord not being able to open the device ?
<slept> where/how do I turn on direct rendering with fglrx
<Daelomin> Rattboi: you didnt install cdrdao ?
<Rattboi> Daelomin: possibly
<spiral> hi back
<mchasard> so for my devices which doesn't appear ?
<Rattboi> whatever packages were dependancies for K3B, I installed
<Rattboi> I'm not on that machine atm, so I can't tell you exactly
<Rattboi> I just know it was really easy for me
<Daelomin> k coz in my case CDRDAO wasnt in the dependencies
<Daelomin> but it still didnt fix the problem
* Amaranth heads for bed
<Daelomin> night man
<membreya> night Amaranth
<manchine> which package bundles alsaconf?
<deFrysk> alsatools
<deFrysk> i think
<deFrysk> or alsautils
<Daelomin> yeah alsa-utils
<manchine> Daelomin: nope
<Daelomin> which version are you running manchine?
<manchine> Daelomin: that is already installed and no alsaconf whatsoever
<Daelomin> did anyone run WMV succesfully yet?
<Rattboi> same here
<manchine> 5.04
<Rattboi> same here, again
<Rattboi> I'm running newest hoary, and I don't have alsaconf anywhere
<Daelomin> weird, I had it ...
<Rattboi> but I have alsa-utils installed
<Daelomin> right now I cant help you though, coz I am trying to be able to boot back in :P
<Daelomin> "trying to be able" == "you're struggling hard"
<Daelomin> hehe
<manchine> annoying, annoying
<mchasard> is theres some automount on kubuntu ?
<mchasard> i just see fstab and my other devices doesn't appear ...
<slept> where can I find modconf
<Daelomin> mchasard: did you do mount -a ?
<mchasard> i try ...ok
<deresh> hi to all
<mchasard> theres allways nothing in mnt
<deresh> i have a question related to isdn support in hoary
<deresh> if anyone has a time to answer me :)
<limaunion> after upgrading yesterday to Hoary the mouse cursor is differente, there a 'watch' and previously there was a more elegant circle and the same for the arrow, any idea to revert this?
<Daelomin> mchasard: well is your fstab configured properly? do you see the partitions in fdisk ?
<deresh> anyone ??
<mchasard> how to launch fdisk ?
<Daelomin> sudo fdisk -l
<mchasard> ok i try
<sparkyz> has anyone had any problems installing kubuntu on a Dell C800 laptop?
<kaouete> sparkyz: try #kubuntu
<mchasard> yes i can see my partitions
<mchasard> with you command
<mchasard> fdisk _l
<sparkyz> okay ;)
<Daelomin> so does mount -a give you any error messages??
<mchasard> so how to mnt those partitions ?
<kaouete> sparkyz: what is your problem ?
<mchasard> no no error ...
<kaouete> in fact, ubuntu and kubuntu share the same base, so i guess you can ask here
<deresh> anyone know something about isdn support in kernel 2.6.10
<cavediver> Anyone having problems downloading stuff from FF in hoary ?
<cavediver> It has stop working all of a sudden.
<slept> mchasard: fstab is no device, it's a file containing information for the devices . with cat /etc/fstab you can see if it's  inside
<sparkyz> ok
<sparkyz> erm
<deresh> or i'm the only one using isdn here :)
<sparkyz> basically on my Dell C800 laptop it does not install
<sparkyz> on my desktop it is fine
<Burgundavia> cavediver: known issue
<sparkyz> but on my C800 during the base install it has some issue with init-rd dependancy
<sparkyz> im performing base install again to get exact error
<mchasard> yes i know but the line concerning the other devices are not here
<cavediver> Burgundavia: ahh, thanks for that. You have a link to the bug-description?
<mchasard> i have to add them ?
<deresh> where has gone misdn support in kernel 2.6.10
<motuline> does anyone have same problem with realplayer (plays video very slow.. sounds come before video
<sparkyz> so I dunno if its to do with the laptop
<AMIGrAve> after installing a new kernel (2.6.10-5-k7) Xorg can't use nvidia driver anymore. Should I purge and reinstall nvidia-glx package or just copy the nvidia.ko module from li/modules 2.6.10-4-386 to the new 2.6.10-5-57 ?
<mchasard> dev/mapper/casper-snapshot / auto noatime 0 0
<mchasard> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
<mchasard> its the only things in the fstab file
<Daelomin> what does fdisk give you?
<Mpi> Hi! Ive just downloaded Ubuntu from its site. but I wonder, why is it Winrar and not Image?? I cant burn winrar as an image, can I?
<mchasard> Disque /dev/hda: 6448 Mo, 6448619520 octets
<mchasard> 255 ttes, 63 secteurs/piste, 784 cylindres
<mchasard> Units = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets
<mchasard> Priphrique Amorce    Dbut         Fin      Blocs    Id  Systme
<mchasard> /dev/hda1   *           1         784     6297448+   b  W95 FAT32
<mchasard> Disque /dev/hdb: 40.0 Go, 40020664320 octets
<mchasard> 255 ttes, 63 secteurs/piste, 4865 cylindres
<mchasard> Units = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets
<mchasard> Priphrique Amorce    Dbut         Fin      Blocs    Id  Systme
<mchasard> /dev/hdb1   *           1        4865    39078081    7  HPFS/NTFS
<superted> Mpi: tried to unrar the file?
<Odysseus> Mpi: it is an image
<Daelomin> so which did you want to install?
<Mpi> No its not one Image, but a bunch of files
<Odysseus> winrar just recognizes it as an file that's expandable
<Mpi> no cues and bins
<Odysseus> just open the dir in dos
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> it should be a .iso
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> burn with nero
<Odysseus> and you'll see
<mchasard> i'm want only use it for a live cd use
<deresh> doesn't anyone know something about misdn and kernel 2.6.10??
<Mpi> Odysseus: Oh yeah, of course. That makes sense
<sparkyz> kaouete any ideas?
<kaouete> sparkyz: none
<sparkyz> dang :(
<kaouete> sorry
<Mpi> I just got confused :)
<sparkyz> like I said the install is fine with my desktop :)
<Mpi> thx
<kaouete> sparkyz: try #kubuntu anyway
<Odysseus> np
<sparkyz> lol ubuntu is identical to kubuntu
<superted> When is Hoary release date?
<kaouete> sparkyz: did you search on the bugzilla or the forums of ubuntu.com ?
<sparkyz> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde packages..
<Odysseus> I'm trying to burn the iso-file of the 4.10 release with nero
<sparkyz> yeah I did a search
<Odysseus> and the following error occures: "entered block size does not correspond with image size"
<sparkyz> I believe it might be hardware related..
<Odysseus> Nero asks me to correct or ignore
<sparkyz> not entirely sure.
<slept> mchasard:  mount -t type(ntfs or fat)  /dev/hd...(a1 or b1)     /mnt
<Odysseus> anyone an idea what to do?
<kaouete> sparkyz: yes, it's why you can try this chan, maybe there is people there that are not here and who know
<sparkyz> yeah I'm on both atm
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> Odysseus, check md5sum ... oh I don't know how to do that in windows
<Odysseus> sparkyz: what's md5sum?
<omniscient> anyone familiar with latex?
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> Odysseus, checksum.. I was thinking your file might be corrupted.. comparing md5sum of what you have, to what is hosted on the ftp site would tell you if it's corrupted
<sparkyz> erm
<sparkyz> well I did an integrity check
<sparkyz> but didnt check md5..
<sparkyz> cant be the cd becuase I installed with the same cd on my desktop
<sparkyz> desktop is installed fine and going great.
<Odysseus> so, what's the easiest solution? just download the iso again?
<sparkyz> yeah
<sparkyz> :)
<Odysseus> owkey
<Odysseus> thx
<HiddenWolf> I just burned a cd on my new nec3250, but graveman doesn't seem to work on a dvd
<sparkyz> seems to be with ubuntu-keyring and ubuntu-base
<deresh> anyone know something about misdn support in ubuntu???
<sparkyz> says ubuntu-keyring is not configured and ubuntu-base requires unbuntu-keyring to be installed.
<keyes> hello
<devazion> Why is ubuntu releasing 2000 new releases all the time? Isnt the schedual a bit to tight? ;)
<ogra> deresh, there is no upstream anymore, misdn is dead...
<keyes> i've a problem with apt, probably a debconf pb : debconf: Problem setting up the database defined by stanza 5 of /etc/debconf.conf. (followed by syntax error) when using apt
<keyes> how can I fix that ?
<HiddenWolf> Does anyone know why I can burn cds in graveman but not not dvds? Is there something I need to install?
<ogra> HiddenWolf, growisofs and friends
<aileenmax> hello, i just installed hoary.... i cant seem to see the apache default page... ps ax shows the apache processes
<ogra> HiddenWolf, look in the preferences "external programs" tab....
<ogra> HiddenWolf, you also need enough space in the specified temp dir for the image...
<HiddenWolf> ogra: that'll be the problem then.
<manchine> alsa-utils in hoary 5.04 does not supply alsaconf. funny, funny, funny
<manchine> bug, neglect or just some brand new policy? oh my...
<HiddenWolf> ogra:do you know the package names of growisofs and friends?
<Daelomin> manchine: "This Bug was tailored for you"
<Daelomin> heh
<manchine> Daelomin: at least one or to fellows overhere have reported the same
<manchine> 2
<manchine> besides me
<membreya> WOOOHOOOO!!! new high score in crack-attack! :D
<manchine> it's really a pain in the ass to switch back to mepis because of this irritant nothing
<motuline> anyone knows why mine RealPlayer poke's (it mplayer and xine works great but realplayer wont work so good)
<arturaz> hello. i've selected english when i've been installing ubuntu
<arturaz> now how do i install aditional lanugages?
<deresh> ogra: so what do i use for isdn now?
<deresh> ogra: old isdn4linux or???
<ogra> deresh, avm was nice enough to allow us to distribute their binary drivers....no idea for other manufacturers
<membreya> doesn't anyone care that I got a new high score in crack-attack ? :(
<toto> Hi! how to: desactivate network configuration at boot time and howto start interfaces manually in Ubuntu?
<slept> arturaz: run base-config
<deresh> ogra: i have Asuscom in-100 card ... it worked with old hisax and misdn hfcpci driver
<slept> arturaz: base-config won't help - sorry
<ogra> deresh, the only idea is to poke the misdn guys, they still have a mailing list, but didnt respond to any of our requests, misdn segfaults with 2.6.10
<arturaz> slept, hmm. i took old debian approach and generated lt_LT locales, however when gnome boots it says it cannot use those
<deresh> ogra: i see...i should try that..i would hate to have to leave ubuntu linux( its my favourite now :)) yust because lack of isdn support...
<keyes> hello
<ogra> deresh, another (bad) idea wouldbe to use the warty kernel
<membreya> arturaz: dpkg-reconfigure locales
<arturaz> i did that
<deresh> ogra: yes i am using that now ( 2.6.8.x) version which has a misdn support ( im online with ubuntu now)
<arturaz> generated locales
<arturaz> however i can't use those
<membreya> hrm
<keyes> I've a problem at apt-get update : http://pastebin.com/260114 someone can help me ?
<deresh> ogra: thanx for your answers....see ya later  i have to go now :)
<ogra> deresh, bye
<membreya> keyes: post ya sources.list
<membreya> .lst even
<keyes> ok
<membreya> erm .list
<membreya> im too tired
<keyes> source.list : http://pastebin.com/260116
<slept> arturaz:did you try install-language-locales
<HiddenWolf> What is a good dvd burning frontend?
<keyes> k3b
<slept> Hiddenwolf: k3b
<membreya> keyes: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ....that looks kinda incomplete to me :P
<HiddenWolf> ubuntu > gnome
<membreya> gnomebaker / graveman :)
<slept> k3b works with gnome aswell
<keyes> oops i've miss the end : warty-security main restricted
<apokryphos> HiddenWolf: ubuntu > can run kde programs.
<HiddenWolf> apoktyphos: Yeah, but I'd rather not install all the kde libs just to burn a backup
<keyes> some good programs on KDE like amarok or k3b
<keyes> an idea for my pb ? :s
<slept> keyes: deselect update
<keyes> ok
<motuline> why the hell realplayer won't work properly
<membreya> keyes: did finishing off your line fix the problem ?
<Daelomin> bbl
<slept> motuline: why do you want to use realplayer ?
<motuline> I have couple of videos etc. what reguires realplayer
<slept> motuline: totem will play them
<motuline> ok
<topyli> realplayer doesn't play nice with esd
<motuline> I have realplayer launcher in menu.. how can I remove it
<topyli> motuline: /usr/share/applications/realplay.desktop
* chickenman jumps up and down
<motuline> argh.. when i try to open totem it says: Resource busy or not available
* membreya kicks keyes !
<ogra> chickenman, the ground is not very solid i here (to many people) be careful
<chickenman> :| what ?
<topyli> membreya: no political debate here please :)
<ogra> :)
<membreya> :| topyli keyes ..as in the user..as in I'm waiting for a response from him :P
<topyli> heh
<topyli> my mistake. i read "keynes" :D
<membreya> want some sauce for your foot topyli ? :)
<topyli> salsa please
<topyli> or chutney :)
* chickenman wants to lick sauce :P
<topyli> awwww
<membreya> ummm ....
<ikaro> mojn
<chickenman> :\
<membreya> well done chickenman ..you discovered how to kill all forms of conversation :)
<chickenman> hehe :D
<topyli> heh
<keyes> membreya, what ?
<chickenman> i do that a lot ;)
<membreya> keyes: did you fix the problem ?
<chickenman> zzzzz......
<keyes> membreya, yeah just now :-D
<keyes> i've found the fix on usenet
<membreya> and ..how ?
<membreya> oh ok :)
<usual> It's my birthday! w00t
<sirukin> hehe
<membreya> usual: ..noone cared about my new high score in crack-attack..noone will care about your birthday :(
<keyes> Copying /var/lib/dpkg/status-old in place of /var/lib/dpkg/status
* topyli buys usual a virtual beer
<usual> membreya: damn the man
* chickenman gives usual a big birthday cake :P
<ogra> membreya, how high ?
<sirukin> hehe
<usual> topyli: ahh ty
<membreya> ogra: 801
<ogra> usual, happy b-day
<usual> chickenman: mmmmm
<usual> ogra: ty :)
<ogra> membreya, thats not bad
<usual> I get alot of lag
<usual> 204ms at the moment
<membreya> i just HAD to beat aluminium angel ... >:( (default top score) ..but then the prick of a computer didn't save my high score..so I had to write it manually
<Spooks> Hmm
<usual> is fontconfig fixed in foary? I was going to upgrade but I don't know if the version I see in hoary is the broken one or if it was fixed
<chickenman> foary ?? WTF :/
<membreya> chickenman: it's the scooby do very of hoary :P
<malte> heh
<usual> roary
<membreya> or maybe it's astro "ri roarge!"
<usual> rut roh
<membreya> hehe :P
<chickenman> :={}
<usual> Random Fortune: <SomeLamer> what's the difference between chattr and chmod? <SomeGuru> SomeLamer: man chattr > 1; man chmod > 2; diff -u 1 2 | less 	-- Seen on #linux on irc
<membreya> :|
<membreya> great...nerd jokes
* chickenman me don't understand what usual is saying :|
<thenuke> that was great
<chickenman> ooops
<usual> chickenman: me either, I am learning features in the KDE irc client'
<usual> Random Fortune: Footnotes are for things you believe don't really belong in LDP manuals, but want to include anyway. 	-- Joel N. Weber II discussing the 'make' chapter of LPG
* usual shrugs
<usual> Uptime: 10 hours and 42 minutes
<membreya> 2 hrs 57 mins. beat that :P
<chickenman> 2:14 :P
<membreya> :P
* usual is playing Mad Crew by KRS-One on Return of the Boom Bap
<usual> this irc client is nice
<usual> I used to think xchat was the only one I liked
<membreya> what client is it usual ?
<usual> Konversation
<membreya> KDE
<membreya> gah
<usual> appears to be the default in kde 3.4
<az[a] zel> 23:18:25 up 31 min,  0 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.19, 0.21
<usual> hey don't knock it
<slurpas> whats the command to se the pid of xmms, if i wanna kill it? :=)
<usual> I just installed it
<membreya> damn! az[a] zel wins
<usual> KDE 3.4 is 50% faster than it used to be
<usual> very snappy
<az[a] zel> slurpas, ps -Af |grep xmms
<slurpas> ahh, thx! :D
<chickenman> :|
<az[a] zel> ps -Af | grep xmms | head -1 | gawk '{ print $2 }'
<membreya> usual: next thing, you'll be running enlightenment :P
<az[a] zel> kill `ps -Af | grep xmms | head -1 | gawk '{ print $2 }'`
<membreya> stop it az[a] zel, you've proved your nerdiness
<Kate> hello
<chickenman> im learning python :P
<az[a] zel> heh
<slurpas> :P
<usual> membreya: I ran enlightenment for years
<usual> membreya: gnome was shitty up until very recent releases
<az[a] zel> i used to hate gnome, but it's starting to come good
<membreya> i've noticed by peoples opinions usual :)
<Kate> can someone please tell me where i am and what i am doing? preferably without being obnoxious?
<membreya> hi kate
<membreya> kate: what seems to be the trouble?
<usual> your in IRC
<az[a] zel> heh this should be good
<Kate> oh cool
<usual> and you are chillenw ith all of us
<Kate> thats a good thing
<Kate> its a little hazy... opera wasnt being too clear about what was happening
<usual> I told ya Konversation chickenman
<chickenman> :| i like X-chat
<az[a] zel> X-Chat is the r0x0r
<usual> chickenman: so do I but I had never seen or used Konversation
<Kate> i cant get the internet on ubuntu
<usual> very nice
<membreya> chickenman: yes but usual is being elitist :P
<Kate> so im stuck using windows xp until i figure it out
<usual> Kate: dial up?
<az[a] zel> Kate, you're using the internet.. you're in IRC
<Kate> lol
<chickenman> kate , USB modem ?
<az[a] zel> heh
<membreya> Kate: pppoe
<Kate> i know i was online but irc? this is new to me
<Kate> mmm
<usual> Kate: what sort of connection
<Kate> dialup
<az[a] zel> Internet Relay Chat
<usual> eeek
<usual> winmodem?
<chickenman> ewwww dial-up
<az[a] zel> uh oh, she probably has a winmodem
<usual> heh
<Kate> i know what irc is, i just havent used it before...
<FallenHitokiri> Kate: what's the name of your modem?
<Kate> please dont be mean... just because i have  a rubbish connection
<Kate> let me check
<az[a] zel> if it's lucent, there's a good chance for a driver, eh?
<chickenman> kate , are you a girl ??
<membreya> being mean is a part of life :P
<membreya> chickenman: ..back!
<az[a] zel> but didn't they close those drivers? You have to pay or something now
* membreya puts chickenman back in his place
<membreya> az[a] zel: yup
<chickenman> :O
<mallum> daniels, hey
<FallenHitokiri> az[a] zel: there are chances for many winmodems
<Kate> agere systems pci soft modem
<chickenman> girls and linux just don't mix :O
<Kate> yes chickenman, i am a girl
<Kate> oh haha
<Kate> males and explosives dont mix
<slept> how old are you ???
<chickenman> ooo i happen to have some explosives :P
<Spooks> They do
<Kate> lol
<Spooks> It's just kinda messy
<FallenHitokiri> chickenman: cut it out. i think my girlfriend would kick some asses if you want to compare skills... :p
<az[a] zel> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
<Kate> lol
<chickenman> :\
<az[a] zel> there are debian packages there, but I dont know if they'll work with ubuntu
<Kate> ok
<membreya> FallenHitokiri: ...the opinion of girls and linux don't mix will stand until one of them writes an OS :)
<az[a] zel> heh, it's funny how they list apt as a source of getting those drivers.. but you need internet access for apt to work
<Kate> oh haha
<Kate> i say that alot
<Kate> ok
<Kate> will a regular dialup account work?
<membreya> az[a] zel: you could use apt-proxy to get it off the net, or you could establish you own apt-source on a cd :)
<spiral> hmmm... anyone here knows if smb is working on openoffice.org2 testing release update in hoary ?
<membreya> Kate: yes :)
<membreya> smb..OO.o2 spiral ?
<membreya> what's a network system got to do with OO.o2?
<Kate> cool
<spiral> membreya: smb : somebody
<az[a] zel> hmm the drivers for 2.6 kernels are beta only
<membreya> az[a] zel: i meant apt-proxy to get it off the network
<spiral> membreya: not samba
<membreya> aaaah :)
<membreya> stop mixing up acronyms, it's hard enough as it is!
<spiral> membreya: all right, I'll try
<Kate> so i get the debian one?
<Kate> i need caffeine
<Kate> brb
<az[a] zel> Kate, wait, im not sure these will work
<membreya> it's midnight..of course you need caffeine kate :)
<slept> where can i switch direct rendering on for RV280 ?
<az[a] zel> Kate,  for one, they're for the 2.4 kernel, you would be running 2.6.. 2) they're for debian, not ubuntu, 3) they might not be the right driver for your modem :)
<chickenman> girls are soo dum (well most of them) i told one girl when she had a prob with windows to use format c: in dos and she DID IT! LOL
<davix> how can i change my nautilus to load movies automaticly with xine and not with totem?
<mjr> slept, it should work out of the box
<membreya> davix: right click on one of the files, go to properties..and then go to the option for open with :)
<mjr> slept, see the log file if there are problems
<davix> tnx
<usual> davix: right click on the movie and choose the the option
<Chipzz> chickenman: try not misspelling dumb for starters
<chickenman> ooops
<slept> mjr : xorg log?
<mjr> yes
<membreya> nice slap down Chipzz :D
<Chipzz> membreya: :)
<crush> i recieved 2  free disks in the mail.  thanks guys. i have to install the HD one, soon. any pre-advice?
<EddieX> Why is there two flash player, that will use same stuff from macromedia, one in universe and one in multiverse.. Wich one do you prefer?
<Chipzz> chickenman: and you're an asshole if you do that to users
<motuline> argh.. totem wont play rm files
<chickenman> any one know a good (free) program to play .mpg files ?
<mirak> hi
<optika> chickenman: mplayer
<membreya> Chipzz: I think the worst thing anyone ever did to me ... I used to have a d.bat in windows to do dir %1 ...some bastard at a lan replaced it with format /q /u |y ....thank god for CTRL+C
<davix> membreya, how can i tell my firefox to do the same thing, as it automaticly uses totem :/
<mjr> chickenman, totem
<chickenman> ok
<xerox> Is there any documentation about USB modems on ubuntu? I need to explain to a friend how to connect with it, but I don't know how he can do it.
<spiral> so, any new about ooo2 ?
<mirak> I want to install a bootloader on my hard drive from a live cd, how can I do that ? I use lilo
<slept> mjr: how is the kernelmodule called I need ?
<membreya> not sure sorry davix .. i don't use firefox if possible :(
<davix> tnx membreya
<chickenman> xerox , USB modem do NOT work with linux
<Chipzz> membreya: :)
<membreya> wait no..d.bat did dir %1 /p /w :)
<xerox> chickenman: no way? It's an US Robotics one :(
<slept> chickenman : thats wrong, they do work
<slept> some
<xerox> slept: oh good!
<Kate> ok im back
<membreya> wb Kate :)
<chickenman> xerox , unless you can run it on ethernet your going to have a hard job working it
<Kate> thanks membreya
<Kate> ok
<xerox> slept: what can I do?
<Kate> so which do i download?
<chickenman> xerox , Write a driver file or somethink
<xerox> chickenman: that's bad, I need to explain to one that have never see linux before how to connect.
<chickenman> xerox , does it have an ethernet port ?
<darksatanic> Anyone else having trouble logging in to the shipit page on the website?
<darksatanic> I've not used it before,
<xerox> chickenman: let me ask him
<darksatanic> I put my email address and a password in,
<darksatanic> and it tells me the combination is invalid...
<ogra> xerox, there are lots of usb modem drivers in ubuntu, write a mail to ubuntu-users, i'm sure someone can help
<chickenman> xerox , it's like a phone plug but bigger
<xerox> chickenman: I know, but I'm not in his house at the moment :
<xerox> :|
<ogra> xerox, just provide all the technical details in the mail
<Mpi> I tried to install Mandrake but something went wrong during the installation, and screwed up the bootloader. I need to fix this before I can install Ubuntu. Anyone who can help?? Please PM then...
<chickenman> xerox , well if it is ethernet just get a plug and plug it into the nic card in the back or go buy one around 5
<membreya> Kate: the agere systems pci soft modem should be detected automatically in ubuntu
<membreya> in the network settings, did you check there for modem connection ?
<Kate> it just wont connect
<xerox> chickenman: no rj45 port.
* wland re
<chickenman> mmmm
<Kate> all my settings are right
<membreya> hmmmm
<membreya> does it dial ?
<chickenman> xerox , need a new ethernet modem
<xerox> ogra: hm, let it be the last canche
<xerox> chickenman: I can force him to buy another modem :)
<Kate> but whenever i use pon it just comes up with another line
<usual> what repos has libdvdcss2 again?
<chickenman> xerox , good :)
<az[a] zel> Kate, I've read that this driver can work with agere soft modems, but not sure... http://www.smlink.com/objects/slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
<xerox> chickenman: CAN'T, err :)
<membreya> what point DOES the connection get to Kate ?
<chickenman> xerox , i tryed my USB modem but they diden't work but i had an ethernet plug as well :0
<xerox> It seems there is linux support from US Robotics itself.. let me check deeply.
<membreya> so how was the weather up in queensland today Kate ?:)
<az[a] zel> Kate, this will require building a driver, which means gcc and kernel sources are required.. which aren't on the ubuntu CD's as far as I know.. so this is getting pretty tricky...
<Kate> it doesnt do anything
<xerox> http://www.usr.com/support/9000/9000-linux-ug/Installing%20the%20modem.html
<chickenman> xerox , you mite be able to work it but i still think ethernet is better
<Kate> how do u know im in Queensland?
<xerox> chickenman: I think eth is better too.
<membreya> :D
<membreya> people on the internet get very bored, very quickly Kate :)
<Kate> oh ubuntu forums?
<spiral> hmmmm, at least, do you know who works on openoffice2 packaging ?
<membreya> Kate: not at all, just by your IP :)
<xerox> chickenman: it gives support, but it's a mess, hmpf :|
<Kate> i dont want to know....
<chickenman> membreya , how do you trace ip's ?
<ogra> spiral, Chris Halls (haggai)
<chickenman> xerox , yea best off with eth
<membreya> chickenman: go to Applications > System Tools > Network Tools
<daniels> mallum: hey dude
<xerox> chickenman: it probably will stop him from taking linux in consideration :(
<membreya> xerox: the modem she's talking about is PCI, not USB
<xerox> membreya: who?
<Kate> im not used to linux
<chickenman> xerox , yea but it's not like it will cost to much
<membreya> xerox: kate
<Kate> yes?
<Kate> lol
<membreya> oh
<az[a] zel> Kate, when your hardware is not supported (easily), it can be quite tricky to get going
<membreya> nevermind xerox ....
<membreya> you were talking to chickenman
<Kate> oh no...
<membreya> az[a] zel: ...the modem IS supported in ubuntu
<az[a] zel> membreya, oh
<Kate> none of my friends are exactly competent with os other than mac or windows either, so the ubuntu community is about all ive got
<membreya> az[a] zel: ..actually..no it's not
<membreya> but the drivers are here http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/
<Kate> have we decided whether my modem is supported yet?
<membreya> lol sorry Kate, it isn't but I've given you a link to the download
<Kate> or is there going to be a pay-per-view worthy debate?
<membreya> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg00584.html will give you instructions (it's off a forum, but it works you just need to read through some crap)
<Kate> lol
<membreya> shush Kate
<Kate> ok
<Kate> sorry
<membreya> bugger off chickenman :P
<chickenman> :D
<Kate> im not used to talking to intelligent people
<membreya> don't make me ping flood your arse :P
<chickenman> hehe
<membreya> damn, you're on cable too :|
<az[a] zel> membreya, no I dont think those ones work for soft modem.. at least that's what I've read
<membreya> hrm
<az[a] zel> membreya, but I read that smart link drivers work
<az[a] zel> membreya, http://www.smlink.com/objects/slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
<membreya> why can't people just have hardware that works :|
<Kate> lol
<Kate> then you wouldnt need to upgrade as often :)
<az[a] zel> membreya, but ubuntu doesnt come with gcc and kernel sources does it? so it's going to be bloody hard to get a compiled driver happening, unless somebody else compiles and builds a package for her
<membreya> i would compile it for her, but I'm on an amd64 :)
<Kate> again, i dont want to know...
<membreya> god chickenman ..your routing takes you all over the world..
<membreya> Kate: if you "don't want to know" then you're going into the wrong sort of OS sorry to say
<Kate> i know
<Kate> lol
<robodex> wow, compositing works VERY well on xfce using xcompmgr... I'm running on a 667 with a 32mb GeForce2 with NO slowdown :D
<Kate> im just out of coffee, so im drinking tea
<Kate> so im a little slow right now
<Kate> well, slower than usual
<chickenman> :D
<az[a] zel> membreya, same, and im running hoary.. the person that does it has to be running the exact same kernel revision as her
<az[a] zel> Kate, go and purchase and external serial modem :)
<gerardo> hey guys, how i can to change my locales?
<az[a] zel> Kate, about $70AUD
<Kate> ok, lets asume im a very broke highschool student
<az[a] zel> Kate, steal one
<membreya> gerardo: dpkg-reconfigure locales
<membreya> ooo a teenager :P
<slept> I want to burn mp3 - audio cd's with k3b, but I don't have kde install , how is the package called I need for mp3 encoding
<Kate> its not my fault im the age i am!
<az[a] zel> Kate, or buy second hand off somebody who just got ADSL or something
<gerardo> membreya, oks.
<az[a] zel> Kate, external serial modem will work straight away with any linux distribution
<membreya> gerardo: obviously run that as a sudo :)
<Kate> ok, lets assume that im not allowed to make any hardware changes :'(
<membreya> Kate: you could always ask your folks for the money :P
<membreya> Kate: then ask your parents for a modem router :P
<Kate> because we only have one computer...
<membreya> one ...computer..
<Kate> and noone in my family trusts me
<membreya> oh you're one of "them"
<Kate> i know
<az[a] zel> Kate, they wont notice if you plug a modem into it.. just hide it under the desk or something ;)
<az[a] zel> winmodems should die a painful death
<membreya> i think we should start the "let's buy Kate a modem" fund
<zenwhen> agreed
<Kate> my external modem never worked and never will
<Kate> lol
<gerardo> membreya, when i try to apt-get instal artwiz-fonts this automally install it?
<az[a] zel> Kate, you have an external modem?
<membreya> not sure on that one gerardo
<gerardo> oks
<Kate> yes, but its not worth mentioning as it doesnt work
<zenwhen> Lets buy Kate a USR 5610B
<zenwhen> lol
<membreya> let's just sponsor her for cable :)
<az[a] zel> Kate, if it's a serial modem.. you could always try.. no harm eh?
<oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how to wipe a savd session?
<oris_wolfbane> *saved
<zenwhen> not everyone can get cable
<az[a] zel> ADSL
<Kate> i have exactly $32 AUD to my name
<zenwhen> cable is far from 100% worldwide saturation
<membreya> Kate: you're half way there then :)
<az[a] zel> can get $30/month ADSL with Internode in QLD
<az[a] zel> $125 for modem, $129 for installation
<oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how to wipe a savd session?
<membreya> internode..don't even mention their name..they've caused no end of headaches at work :'(
<az[a] zel> I <3 internode
<jedi> hey guys. my friend just someone uninstaled most of his packages during a botched hoary upgrade... is there any virtual package (or similar) i can apt-get install to get the default packages back?
<robodex>  has anyone else noticed this error when running synaptic? It sitll works but it's kinda weird:
<zenwhen> jedi, go back to warty sources and install ubuntu0desktop and ubuntu0base again
<zenwhen> jedi, go back to warty sources and install ubuntu0desktop and ubuntu0base areplace those 0's with -'s
<robodex> err nm
<membreya> i do internet banking support, internode recently purchased a set of reserved IP's that the Bank had blocked...most of our internode customers couldn't get on >:(
<Kate> ive tried asking nicely, begging, screaming, silence, missing user accounts and still i havent got my own computer
<az[a] zel> membreya, not internodes fault
<admin0> hi all ..  are there special nvidia drivers available in ubuntu for my nvidia fx 5200 card ?
<Kate> or even a decent connection
<topyli> hmm. i didn't know AUD is this weak, about 0.6 EUR
<membreya> az[a] zel: i know, well ..it was..they purchased the IP's :P
<topyli> Kate: you still are wealthier than me :)
<Kate> lol
<az[a] zel> membreya, yeah, but doesn't mean they aren't a quality ISP.. they have an ubuntu mirror on the non-metered list :)
<zenwhen> admin0, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings" edit the word "nvidia" into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<Kate> im considering arson
<Kate> lol
<membreya> az[a] zel: didn't say they weren't good..just said they caused headaches :P
<slept> jedi: dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall will tell you what you are missing
<admin0> thanks zenwhen :)
<membreya> especially since our e-commerce department didn't tell us because they thought they could fix it in time :|
<jedi> zenwhen: slept: thanks guys
<az[a] zel> Kate, find the modem chipset, and short a few pins so it no longer works.. then they will ahve to buy a new modem.. make sure they buy an external serial modem
<monteiro> anyone knows how to save the settings that i've change in hdparm ?
<Kate> lol
<membreya> monteiro: edit your /etc/hdparm.conf
<Kate> she wont because shes kinda broke right now
<Kate> im trying to find a part time job though
<admin0> hdparm -s ?
<chickenman> Kate , or set fire to your pc then you will get a new one ;)
<Kate> even another $60 a week would make a difference
<Kate> lol
<az[a] zel> Kate, what about computer flea markets near you? you might be able to pick up an old 56k serial modem for like $5 - $10
<az[a] zel> Kate, I gave mine away to my g/f's parents for nothing
<topyli> Kate: someone must sell you a used serial modem for USD 10
<Kate> ok
<topyli> i would, i even have one :)
* chickenman likes flea markets :P
<Kate> hang on, let me check the 'drawer of curiosity'
<admin0> wouldn't ubuntu support an internal modem ?
<admin0> in an easy way
<Jalal> hi all
<az[a] zel> admin0, not that one..
<_mepis_lover> moin
<membreya> admin0: hdparm -s is not a valid option
<admin0> oops
<admin0> hold
<topyli> admin0: a hardware modem yes, but internal ones almost never are real modems
<siretart> hi
<Kate> ive got a spare internal modem
<Kate> lol
<monteiro> membreya : tks :)
<Kate> u never know what you'll find in my room
<Zotnix> admin0, seems companies wanted to save pennies and modems require software to run -- software only made for Windows. (It's awful)
<siretart> I'm searching for an installation image with current hoary
<chickenman> my old 56K modem is on a shelf getting dusty would you like it Kate :)
<siretart> can somebody provide me with a working jigdo file?
<Kate> that along with a couple of tapes of Star Trek Voyager and my copy of Dreamcatcher...
<Kate> its a 56k modem
<zenwhen> the best real internal modem that IS a hardware modem is the USR 5610B
<Kate> lol
<az[a] zel> eww Voyager
<siretart> or (second choice) a working torrent?
<membreya> chickenman: different phone line standards..yours won't work in aus :)
<chickenman> :O eh right
<zenwhen> :O
<Kate> .....
<admin0> hdparm -k 1 will set the keep_setting over reset flag :)
<admin0> hdparm -k 1
<admin0> is what i think
<az[a] zel> Kate, try installing the other internal and see if ubuntu picks it up.. if not, it's probably yet another software modem, doh
<az[a] zel> 99.9% of internal modems are pieces of crapola
<Kate> i dont know if i can do that...
<chickenman> LOL
<Kate> i suppose my mum'll be out all day tomorrow though
<chickenman> hehe i take my computer to bit all the time :P
<az[a] zel> Kate, easy, turn off  the machine, undo screws, take off case, find white slot, unscrew end thingy, plonk card in, screw it in, boot up... if you here nothing but beeps, then panic, heh
<Kate> ive never pulled it apart before though
<Kate> by chance, however
<chickenman> all my power supply wires are taped togeather
<chickenman> :P
<Kate> i have borrowed a copy of 'repairing and upgrading pcs'
<Kate> for dummies or something
<az[a] zel> that should help
<Kate> a bit of light reading
<Kate> lol
<will> Kate: ask a 'teckie' friend to do it 4 ya
<PlasmaPain> dont you just love irc ?
<chickenman> ill do it for you ;)
<Kate> i dont really have any teckie friends
<topyli> just lucky
<will> how do you spekk teckie?
<chickenman> how old are you Kate ?
<will> spell even
<Kate> early teens....
<az[a] zel> Kate, what made you want to try Linux? you don't sound like a computer nerd, heh
<Kate> very early teens....
<chickenman> oooo im 14 :P
<Kate> im 14-ish
<will> its good to see australian girls playing with linux!
* topyli senses romance on #ubuntu
<chickenman> ill be right round to help
* chickenman get on air plane
<Kate> windows is boring, and macs i have fights with
* az[a] zel loves his ibook
<daniels> guys, let's try to keep it clean and just focus on the actual helping people, yeah? :)
<motuline> I Think that i screwd up
<motuline> :DD
<PlasmaPain> im 3and a half and i can already sell !
<az[a] zel> although since 10.3.8 it's been a bit buggy
<motuline> fuck
<PlasmaPain> o mean spell
<chickenman> :D
<motuline> I removed xine and synaptic removed almost everything installed
<Tomcat_> az[a] zel: You can install Ubuntu on an iBook *hint* *hint* :D
<motuline> noni
<zenwhen> You lovebirds can love in #ubuntuforums if you wish ;)
<topyli> microsoft spel cheker vor sale. vorks grate!
<az[a] zel> Tomcat_, yeah but wireless doesn't work, and sleep/resume doesn't work.. so what's the point? :)
<motuline> fuckin shit
<motuline> :DD
<cocol> what are the expiriences with kde3.4 as default?
<kev0r> hi there, i've ordered some CD's 2 weeks ago or something
<kev0r> still no packet arrived
<motuline> oh my fuckin god
<will> does anyoine have issues with ac97audio?
<daniels> er, guys, language?
<will> motuline:watch the language :)
<optika> kev0r: as I understand it, they're only going to be shipping CDs when they've finished Hoary, best estimate seems to be mid-April. ICBW.
<chickenman> what did you fucking say i can't hear ?
<kev0r> will: buy another card
<daniels> chickenman: dude, language, please.
<chickenman> :D
<kev0r> so i'm getting Hoary cd's in stead of Warty
<kev0r> nice :)
<will> kev0r:its built in and i earn 1 swedish crown a month
<motuline> will: I removed most of the packages from my system with synaptic.. accidentataly
<gerardo> hey guys, anyone have driver 6111 for kernel 2.6.10 ?
<chickenman> warty is much better me thinks
<motuline> including gnome
<Tomcat_> az[a] zel: I wouldn't install anything other than OSX on a Mac anyway *runs*
<kev0r> oh will that's 2 bad, you should get some emu10k1 chipset card, they are the best imo
<topyli> motuline: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and you're back where you started
<kev0r> for linux that is, alsa seems to really like that card :)
<will> motuline: just use apt-get (to get em back!
<kev0r> will; Soundblaster Live! 5.1 or a 1024
<az[a] zel> Tomcat_, OS X is great :)
<chickenman> chickenman.zapto.org
<kev0r> should not cost that much
<motuline> synaptic package manager removed all
<motuline> argh
<will> is anyone else aware of the issues with the ac97 and linux/unix in general?
<motuline> Is more easily to format
<motuline> ->
<PlasmaPain> any one has an ssh server so i cant try ssh out ?
<topyli> motuline: no it didn't. you did :)
<will> they are HUGE and no one has done a damn thing about it
* az[a] zel goes to reboot into ubuntu
<motuline> see you in next life :D
<motuline> ->
<slept> PlasmaPain: you can ssh your own ip
<chickenman> brb food :P
<PlasmaPain> thats like ... cheating
<speel> lol
<topyli> PlasmaPain: try something like kruuna.helsinki.fi. you can't log in but will see if it works
<nicc> hi
<speel> hi
<PlasmaPain> hi
<topyli> lo
<setite> haha to you
<setite> i knew 5.1 preview would be released by march
<chickenman> :P
<setite> but why is the 64 torrent dead
<setite> KUBUNTU!!!
<setite> NO!!!!!
<chickenman> !!ewwwwwwwwwww!
<setite> THE UBUNTU NAME HAS BEEN DESTROYED
<setite> kde coodies
<jason> eewwww
* chickenman opens ice cold beer :P
<setite> on the other hand
<cocol> setite , ubuntu=human
<da_root> how can i connect to a network printer?
<Kate> bye
<setite> would kubuntu not suffer the horrible XICE.Authority problem
<Kate> thanks for your help
<cocol> kubuntu=to humanity
<deFrysk> setite, nope
<chickenman> the what problem ?
<will> does anyone here run kubuntu?
<cocol> me
<setite> kubuntu.. last a heard was the kde ubuntu
<chickenman> not me yuk
<setite> ynot an actuall word
<deFrysk> will, check #kubuntu
<setite> yhow can i download ubuntu on a torrent
<setite> the 64bit torrent is having errors
<cocol> will, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<chickenman> don't use torrent ;)
<LinuxJones> setite, it shouldn't
<chickenman> i done warty (512mb) in 5 hours on 300k
<setite> 5 hours!!!!
<setite> with a decent torrent it should be like 40 mins
<chickenman> yea that not bad at 36kb\s
<deFrysk> I do it in 15-20 min ;p
<da_root> can someone give me a tipp how i can connect to a network printer?
<topyli> setite: i've done a debian net install on a 56k modem :)
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> I have 512kbps ADSL, so it takes a few hours for me
<setite> i could do it in 20 with a damn good torrent
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> hopefully getting 8Mbps ADSL soon
<setite> but i dont like this 80k bullshit
<deFrysk> I get it from ftp address
<setite> really
<chickenman> yea well i have lots of free time :D
<setite> ok lemme try that
<deFrysk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/
<setite> where is ftp
<Pyre> I don't know setite. They're not connected to IRC.
<setite> yoh haha
<setite> all look like https to me
<setite> and theres a dvd now?
<topyli> shouldn't have showered. i think i smell less human now :)
<chickenman> is there any other way to run windows programs without wine or installing windows ?
<setite> crossXover office
<deFrysk> chickenman, install windows
<chickenman> i only got a 10.2gb hd :O
<deFrysk> oh without
<setite> ::cough::warez::cough::
<deFrysk> chickenman, use alternatives
<topyli> chickenman: there's no way
<setite> crossover office is nice
<setite> integrates nicely
<chickenman> what alternatives ?
<setite> defrysk
<deFrysk> open office
<topyli> chickenman: native apps?
<deFrysk> for example
<setite> can you link me
<setite> to the ftp for 64bit 5.10 preview
<setite> i dont see any ftp links
<deFrysk> setite, they are http links yes
* chickenman wants to play dos games :(
<topyli> chickenman: dosbox
<setite> you said ftp
<deFrysk> ftp://ftp.archive.ubuntu.com/
<deFrysk> ;p
<setite> danke
<chickenman> how do install windows when there both ment to mbe mounted at /  ??
<deFrysk> you could have done that yourself setite
<zenwhen> I wonder if Composite will ever actually work with glx and not just pretend to.
<siretart> are there cdimages with 2.6.10-5 kernels yet?
<setite> i didnt know where it was
<chickenman> how do i install windows when ubuntu and it wants to be mounted at /
<topyli> chickenman: / can be anywhere, it doesn't have to be the primary master
<amiroff> do you guys know how to get latest snapshots of Inkscape for ubuntu?
<nicc> whats the difference between preview and array ? besides the fact that the last array is more recent
<chickenman> topyli , i don't understand :|
<visor> amiroff: i think theres a deb in inskape site that works just right out the box in debian and ubuntu
<Zotnix> chickenman, say you have your hard drive split in two. / can be on the second half.
<Mitario> damn, why does the live cd regenerate all those locales
<Zotnix> You can still install windows on the first half of the drive though
<Rattboi> Zotnix, that's how mine is set up
<topyli> chickenman: you can install windows on hda1 and linux on an extended partition like hda5
<chickenman> can you tell me how to do this with the partion tool
<Rattboi> my first partition is XP, second is /home, third is swap, fourth is /
<topyli> chickenman: easiest is to install windows first, and just leave some unpartitioned space to the end of the disk. then install linux
<nicc> no difference,
<nicc> ?
<chickenman> so how much does a full linux take up ?
<zenwhen> < 2GB
<JDigital> couple gigs
<nicc> yep
<chickenman> windows 98 only need 1gb max
<zenwhen> and includes nothing
<topyli> linux? about 1,5 megs. the full distro is a bit more :)
<JDigital> windows < linux :D
<chickenman> so i will make windows 2gb and the rest linux ok
<topyli> chickenman: define "the rest"
<zenwhen> chickenman, sounds good
<zenwhen> give windows as little space as possible to cramp you into your Linux install
<visor> can anyone tell me if there is a special issue with framebuffer or something as i cant acces any virtual console when using X and think i didnt had this before with warty
<topyli> chickenman: ah, you have a 10G drive. that's ok
<chickenman> so 2 gb windows mounted at / and the rest ubuntu mounted at / as well ?
<speel> is there any way to burn mp3s to a cd so i can listen to em in my cd player?
<st3v3n> yep
<will> i run windows xp and hoary off a 15gb drive - easy
<chickenman> ok well i better make some backups :D
<will> but then i have /home on a 30gb drive!
<topyli> chickenman: you're confused. :) windows wants to be on C: (first partition of first disk) but linux / can be on any partition
<zenwhen> speel- "sudo apt-get install k3b" will get you a nero clone that you should run with gksudo k3b
<chickenman> still don't get it
<JDigital> ubuntu is mounted at / but in my case Windows is mounted at /windows
<amiroff> visor: well, I just cannot find it
<Zotnix> will, wow. I only run Linux and I'm using a total of 47 GB (including /home... which is 38 GB of that.)
<speel> yea i knew that way lol but i thaught maybe through nautilus
<JDigital> or /mnt/windows
<topyli> chickenman: windows would call your linux root partition D: or something if it saw it (which it doesn't)
<chickenman> ok
<will> chickenman: [C (windows2GB)] [LINUX EXT3....................7.5GB] [SWAP 500MB] 
<chickenman> so i have windows at / and at the start ?
<speel> chickenman, do you really NEED windows?
<visor> amiroff: no deb?
<PacoBCN> speel, remember, windows is an excellent... gaming console :)
<chickenman> i love dos games and i can't play them linux to slow on y system for games
<Zotnix> chickenman, nope. Linux will ignore your windows partition until you tell it where to put it.
<speel> yea lol but spending 500+ for a computer just to play games is worthless lol
<topyli> chickenman: "/" is not a drive partitioning concept at all. it's just wherever your linux filesystem root is
<amiroff> visor: nope :( look what site says: Debian Dependencies - everything is available in the unstable apt repositories
<amiroff> visor: which unstable repositories ?
<chickenman> sorry im not geting this at all some one write me clear instructions please and send them to me
<Zotnix> chickenman, you are thinking that / is the same as "the first part of the disk" It isn't :)
<will> mmm i love 8Mbps connections
<visor> amiroff: when they mean unstable i guess the mean the release before sarge, indeed theres an inkscape in synaptic but its version 0,40 not 0.41
<PacoBCN> will, I would love Spain even knows what 8Mbps are...
<topyli> chickenman: google for something like "dual boot howto". there's a very good explanation available at tldp.org
<Mitario> bugger, the live cd doesn't recognize my wireless card
<chickenman> what should the partiion manager look like ?
<amiroff> visor: yeah, and they are preparing 0.42, guess our repos are much behind
<PacoBCN> there are HOWTOs in the Ubuntu forum about double OS partitions
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> any CPU temp monitoring applets for ubuntu ? gkrellm doesn't appear to be in the repositiroes
<will> whats a good graphical FTP program?
<visor> amiroff: uhmm i cant tell, you know, i mainly use ubuntu to see whats new but i have a _stable_ install of mdk with gnome 2.6 and the likes where i usually have everything
<will> and website design
<kosmos> gFTP
<topyli> chickenman: "linux+windows-HOWTO"
<topyli> is the name of the document
<chickenman> give me a link
<topyli> search google, should be first hit
<amiroff> visor: gnome 2.6?
<visor> but this virtual console issue it never happened to me hehe
<kosmos> gFTP for gnome, and kbear for KDE
<will> thanks
<visor> amiroff: yeah, sounds odd doesnt it
<will> what about web design
<topyli> chickenman: ok, here it is: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Windows-HOWTO/
<will> code editor?
<will> easy
<Zotnix> I love the Places -> Connect to server... feature.
<kosmos> bluefish
* Zotnix LOVES it...
<PacoBCN> will, you can also use Screem, which has features unfortunatelly bluefish doesn't have
<PacoBCN> and viceversa
<amiroff> amiroff: it does, I still use xfce :)
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> bah there are NO lmsensors front ends in ubuntu !! :(
<kosmos> az[a] zel_ubuntu, gkrellm is in the reps
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> kosmos, hmm maybe mine is brokien
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> kosmos, universe hasn't been working on my local mirror all day
<kosmos> hm
<az[a] zel_ubuntu> or it could just be gkrellm hasn't been built for AMD64 yet
<visor> amiroff: i do like xfce, its the file manager i cant stand, i dont like the so-many-buttons design of the whole, but it seems they made a prototype of a new file manager in python but i just cant remember the name of it
<Bauhn> Can anyone here help me with configuring wireless internet?
<kosmos> possible, i'm 32 bit oldschooler ;)
<mirak> hello
<Nonphasis> anyone able to use dcgui-qt on Hoary? It used to work on Warty...
<mirak> I tried to create a grub boot floppy from grub-disk
<mirak> but the floppies are not bootable
<Bauhn> Is it anyone here that is able to help me with configuring W-LAN on ubuntu?
<amiroff> visor: yeah, I use nautilus with xfce :) I've hear about the new file manager though
<topyli> Bauhn: someone probably can, but you need to say what your problem is. what did you do, what went wrong, and so on
<visor> amiroff: that would just rocks, but it would feel nicer if xfce integrates a good one itself
<AMIGrAve> I can't set my dvdwriter on udma mode, when I try sudo hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/dvd  i get this error when hdparm tries to set dma : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted  someone can help me about that ?
<Nonphasis> isn't part of the point of xfce that it doesn't integrate too much? i.e. the light weight...
<Bauhn> topyli i installed ubuntu for.. an hour ago, and now i'm trying to get internet going.. and becuase i have wireless internet, i need to enter an encryption key.. so i need help with getting the encryption key into linux ;P
<visor> btw, i dont mean to be rude but why there is not more channels just focused on plain help or special topics? this is insane dont you think? i mean the channel has just grown too much and many people ask questions (yeah i know theres the wikis and so but they wont stop coming)
<topyli> Bauhn: i know next to nothing about wireless. just urging you to state the problem :)
<topyli> so someone can help
<SeeleyUSMC> Ubuntu says that my Atheros a/b/g card should work right out of the box.  I tried the live cd and it didn't seem to show up.  does the live cd not have everything that the install cd has as far as modules and shuch for wireless cards?
<Bauhn> topyli ok ;P
<zenwhen> Everyone who ses linux should track down an orinoco gold classic and never have to worry about crappy wireless cards or driver support again
<zenwhen> uses*
<Bauhn> i installed ubuntu for.. an hour ago, and now i'm trying to get internet going.. and becuase i have wireless internet, i need to enter an encryption key.. so i need help with getting the encryption key into linux ;P
<Bauhn> help? ;P
<zenwhen> Heres how you set up an orninoco gold classic as eth* in ubuntu: Step one: Plug it in. Step two: There isn't one.
<topyli> visor: this is the help channel. there's noise yes, but i think it's working
<zenwhen> Bauhn, open network admin. Choose the wireless connection. Hit properties. Type in the key.
<zenwhen> network-admin that is
<LinuxJones> Bauhn, this might help >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315
<zenwhen> I always try to get chtterers to come to #ubuntuforums, which has no real ruleset so they dont mess with this channel.
<zenwhen> but this channel works well for support
<Bauhn> zenwhen ok, so it's network-admin > wireless connections > there it is?
<zenwhen> really well
<zenwhen> yes
<membreya> AMIGrAve: pretty easy to fix :)
<zenwhen> under properties you will be offered a place to type your WEP key
<visor> topyli: oh i didnt know that... i actually tought that because i was concerned about this things that when a channel fulls up just like this, the devs start to chill out and to split the channels and so (you know, a -dev chanel, a -help chanel etc.)
<AMIGrAve> membreya: I had the same thing on debian
<Mitario> is anyone seeing tomboy breakage in the latest package updates?
<zenwhen> It works pretty well
<AMIGrAve> membreya: do I miss a module ?
* tsume pets laptop
<membreya> AMIGrAve: what type of motherboard / chipset is it using ?
<membreya> is it on an nforce?
<tsume> ubuntu loves my laptop :)
<zenwhen> visor, there is a dev channel.
<AMIGrAve> membreya: Asus K8nE-deluxe  nforce 3
<zenwhen> tsume, same here.
<tsume> 1.7GHz P-M is faster than a 3.0GHz P4
<LinuxJones> I want to buy a new lcd monitor today but can't really afford it :(
* tsume bought his laptop for only 1349USD
<membreya> AMIGrAve: edit your /etc/modules file and put these two modules at the top amd74xx
<membreya> ide-core
<tsume> M35-S456 :)
<visor> and if this is the support can someone actually tell me how to switch between virtual console's? :P
<visor> im almost sure is something about fb
<tsume> real hardware, real power. Use Toshiba
<membreya> visor: alt+F(number)
<mirak> hi
<tsume> Toshiba makes very good laptops. They aren't footballs. Don't drop a lamp on the keyboard
<AMIGrAve> membreya: thanks can I modrpobe them and try or should I reboot ?
<membreya> AMIGrAve: just reboot
* tsume replaced 1 key thanks to it breaking the key brace off :)
<mirak> the grub-disk floppy image doesn't boot
<membreya> then do a hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
<mirak> where can I find a bootable grub floppy ?
<visor> membreya: isnt Alt + Ctrl + F[number] ?
<membreya> visor: if you're in gnome yes, otherwise it's just ctrl
<membreya> or is it alt
<membreya> damnit, it's 1.30 am
<tsume> visor: thats to escape X server
<AMIGrAve> membreya: ok thanks a lot i'm trying right now ; BTW i also got ide-cd, ide-disk and ide-generic in /etc/modules is ok ?
<Codyman> hello
<tsume> membreya: gnome or even the X server initialised
<zenwhen> visor, as I am not currently experiencing your issue, not have I seen anyone complain about it... I cannot currently solve your issue. Mind you it is early in the morning in the US and a Sunday so the channel traffic is probably slower than normal. This time isn't really indicative of how the channel normally is.
<tsume> you need to escape the X server before you can freely browse the terminals
<membreya> AMIGrAve: yup they're fine..just make sure the modules I gave you are at the TOP of your modules file
<visor> yeah i did know that i have like 8 years using linux :P it never happened to me
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone think they can help me get my Atheros a/b/g to work in Ubuntu live CD?  I want to see if it will work or hear from someone else that they have it working on the install version at least.  I'm brand new to linux and need all the help I can get to get on my feet with linux.  I want t learn a lot, but it would be easier if I could get an internet connection while I'm using linux instead...
<Codyman> when i was installing on my am64 laptop, I bypassed the network config because i have a broadcom wifi card that i need to install drivers for... however now when i go to plug in ethernet it doesn't work on the internet either... what command setups the network.. dpkg-reconfigure something?
<SeeleyUSMC> ...of having to boot back and forth each time to try something.
<zenwhen> Ctrl + Alt + an F key should switch virtual consoles.
<visor> its just it doesnt change to VC in gnome or out
<Codyman> seeleyUSMC: i have a similar problem.. except with a broadcom
<zenwhen> If not, theres something really wrong.
<AMIGrAve> membreya: ok a last quesion : at your knowledge, is there a website or something that list hardware and tell what modules should be used for this hardware (in case hotplug miss them or something) ?
<mjr> SeeleyUSMC, I've had atheros working on my warty  laptop fine
<chickenman> i aam going to get limewire :P
<tsume> ALT+CTRL+F<num> to escape the X server and go to selected terminal, then ALT+F<num> to browse the virtual terminals after you have escaped
<membreya> not AFAIK AMIGrAve
<mjr> SeeleyUSMC, but I don't know how to set the encryption key
<visor> maybe its because its the preview release
<Codyman> anyone here using wifi broadcom?
<visor> some issue
<AMIGrAve> membreya: ok i'm rebooting, thanks again
<tsume> visor: it could be broken. The way specificed is the official way
<SeeleyUSMC> BTW, I'm using the Hoary preview live CD
<tsume> visor: I'm using the preview as well. It works here
<tsume> visor: did you specify any option in config for X which locks you in X?
<daniels> SeeleyUSMC: i haven't tried the live cd, but atheros wireless works fine for me with the installed system
<visor> yeah this is something really really strange
<SeeleyUSMC> daniels: which version>
<visor> no i didnt
<visor> i used the standard install
<visor> no composite cream or stuff like that
<visor> just plain install
<visor> anyway i will try to disable vga option in lilo
<SeeleyUSMC> Wartyhog or Hoary?
<visor> hoary
<visor> preview
<visor> warty worked flawlessly here
<tsume> I'm running hoary
<tsume> it works great afaik
<tsume> nothing has gone wrong
<SeeleyUSMC> hrm. I guess I'll go get the install version and try that out
<visor> ok i will disable this and see if it was that the problem
<visor> brb
<visor> thanks for the help anyway
<SeeleyUSMC> How long has Ubuntu been around?  I've heard of the other distros but just last week hear of this one
<speel> since sept i think
<darksatanic> SeeleyUSMC: The first release was in October.
<zenwhen> About a year?
<SeeleyUSMC> wow.  no wonder
<zenwhen> Oh
<membreya> it's done damn well for such a young distro
<zenwhen> Only that long?
<speel> yep
<speel> cause it works ;P
<membreya> :p
<zenwhen> But Ubuntu's devs are ravenous
<membreya> unless you're using an amd64..then it's just a bit more "challenging" :\
<zenwhen> So much has happened since the first release
<darksatanic> membreya: That Works For Me(tm)
<drspin> is it possible to reinstall Grub to my HD from the Live CD ?
<membreya> darksatanic: works for me too :) just a few problems when compiling a few modules...especially for cpan :|
<zenwhen> drspin, yes
<EkSoN> drspin, yes
<EkSoN> chroot /dev/hdX
<SeeleyUSMC> Should I try out Hoary or Warty?  I don't know if there are problems with Hoary.  Are there?
<EkSoN> grub-install /dev/hdX
<darksatanic> membreya: That's a general AMD64 problem, not an Ubuntu one, I suspect. :)
<speel> warty
<zenwhen> drop to a virtual console after choosing your language options and do it form there
<membreya> darksatanic: that's what I meant :)
<membreya> i wasn't bagging ubuntu :) just support for amd64 in general
<pastyhermit> Anyone know when xfce 4.2.1 will be available on hoary
<pastyhermit> 4.0 seems to be the latest
<speel> ubuntu and there out of date packages pisses me off
<EkSoN> who know boot fast hoary live?
<pastyhermit> EkSoN, what?
<membreya> out of date speel ?
<pastyhermit> english learn you
<drspin> zenwhen, ??
<siretart> SeeleyUSMC: try hoary
<zenwhen> Yeah I am just going to beat my fists on the ground if my software is .1 out of date. @_@
<speel> well like the universe packages
<membreya> lol zenwhen :P
<zenwhen> Id rather have it stable.
<pastyhermit> 'stable' lol
<membreya> worst case, make your own .deb
<speel> well i need this one game and it needs the newst version to play on public server
<leonel> pastyhermit, http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/    maybe can work
<pastyhermit> bawhwhaha
<speel> membreya, way to much work just to install somthing lol
<pastyhermit> whats funny is that our version of stable is rock-solid compared to other operating systems :D
<pastyhermit> rock solid and old sometimes
<membreya> i think you're forgetting that ubuntu was running gnome 2.10 before it was released :)
<mirak> help me to install a bootblock please
<zenwhen> membreya, correct.
<pastyhermit> leonel, thanx, hey tell me I just installed the older one
<speel> membreya, well thats beacause they have gnome guys on the team
<pastyhermit> will these instructions install the newer one?
* apokryphos coughs
<mirak> how can I install a boot block on a system on an other hard drive that don't have a bootblock ?
<zenwhen> And 2.10 is amazingly fast
<membreya> speel: if you have a problem with a package, speak to the MOTU's
<chickenman> how come ubuntu is slower than windows ??
<speel> motu's?
<membreya> Masters Of The Universe
<speel> oo ok mayb
<SeeleyUSMC> This free wireless connection I have in my barracks is INSANE
<pastyhermit> chickenman, lol
<speel> e
<pastyhermit> chickenman, in what respect?
<leonel> pastyhermit, don't know
<SeeleyUSMC> I'm getting 400kb/s downloads and 300kb/s upload speeds
<chickenman> take longer to open windows and run things and start up!
<njs12345> chickenman: because microsoft cheat?
<zenwhen> chickenman, define "slower than windows"
<membreya> oh...so that's what USMC is Seeley :P
<membreya> lol
<chickenman> errrrm
<zenwhen> lol thats not an answer
<chickenman> well it is slower
<membreya> chickenman: my ubuntu loads faster than my windows..ubuntu is up, running and fully loaded in 50 seconds for me
<njs12345> I find it just as fast, if not faster
<zenwhen> chickenman, run sudo hdparm /dev/hd* where * = the drive you are running Ubuntu on.
<membreya> that includes opening thunderbird, x-chat and gaim
<chickenman> windows 98 = <25 sec with me
<zenwhen> see if dma is on
<membreya> chickenman: windows 98 is obselete
<chickenman> ubuntu = 1:30 min
<LinuxJones> chickenman, You can speed things up a bit by stopping any unnecessary services that you are running.
<njs12345> yup
<membreya> chickenman: ..if you really want to test it ..run windows 1
<chickenman> i use most of them
<membreya> that should load in about 2 seconds
<pastyhermit> chickenman, its slower on ubuntu because ubuntu doesnt pre-link their libraries or pre-load everything
<pastyhermit> chickenman, try KDE 3.4
<chickenman> :\
<zenwhen> rcconf is god for disabling services
<zenwhen> good*
<membreya> my windows takes about 1 - 2 minutes to even load the basics
<membreya> damn no support for amd64 in winxp stock
<pastyhermit> leonel, apt-get dist-upgrade did the trick
<ricardo_> Hi folks.
<pastyhermit> membreya, nope, you gotta download the XP beta
<membreya> zenwhen: rcconf?
<ricardo_> Sorry to be such a newbie but.. how can I restart cups???
<zenwhen> KDE isnt faster than Gnome on fast systems. After 1.5Ghz, they are about equal.
<membreya> pastyhermit: yup, and it has sfa hardware support
<zenwhen> chickenman, what speed is your CPU.
<membreya> I'm only running amd64 3200 .. I want a new PC :(
<kosmos> yeah windows with nearly no services is faster (win 98 has no sound server for example)
<mirak> can anyone HELP me
<mirak> please
<chickenman> i got 550mhz 188mb ram
<leonel> pastyhermit, great
<ricardo_> Please?
<darksatanic> mirak: Not until you tell us what's wrong...
<CarlK_> chickenman - I just installed on a P2-400, 196meg - works great
<njs12345> ricardo_: try something like sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
<LinuxJones> zenwhen, ricardo /etc/init.d/service start|stop|restart
<mirak> I ask for one hour
<njs12345> lemme check what it is
<mirak> I try to install a boot block
<membreya> ricardo_: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
<mirak> on a new system
<njs12345> yup
<njs12345> it's cupsys
<mirak> and I can't
<njs12345> hmm
<ricardo_> thanks!!!
<njs12345> this is kind of off topic
<njs12345> but
<mirak> I can't boot with grub
<njs12345> what's the type of suseconds_t?
<mirak> I don't know how to install lilo
<plagerism>  My multimedia key volume control ceased functioning when I upgraded to 2.10, what package would that be in??I remember this happening before and I had to remove some packages and install them again, for it to work
<njs12345> mirak: you using RAID or SATA or something like that?
<darksatanic> Why can't you boot with grub?
<mirak> no, ide
<njs12345> hmm
<njs12345> that's strange
<njs12345> I can't boot with grub either, but that's because I'm using SATA
<membreya> plagerism: I haven't even got my MM keys working :|
<mirak> I tried to use the grub-0.95-i386-pc.iso
<membreya> njs12345: I have no problems with grub and I'm running SATA
<mirak> that is provided with grub-disk
<mirak> and it fails
<njs12345> membreya: I suspect it's something wrong with my SATA hardware
<ricardo_> humm. It didn't work
<plagerism> membreya, I had them working perfectly before the upgrade, on my keyboard and on my ATI remote control!!
<mirak> the floppy can't boot, it doesn't even boot in qemu
<membreya> njs12345: I'm just using an nforce3 controller
<LinuxJones> zenwhen, ricardo /etc/init.d/cup(tab) restart      it's case sensitive too
<SeeleyUSMC> Wow.  Slow torrent.  Only 170kb/s today
<LinuxJones> zenwhen, sorry
<njs12345> SeeleyUSMC: what are you torrenting?
<zenwhen> No Problem.
<SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: install version of hoary
<membreya> plagerism: have you tried going into keyboard shortcuts, I just did then and it mapped them perfectly
<mirak> how to create a boot floppy
<mirak> ?
<plagerism> membreya, thats not where the problem lies, When I hit the key mapped to volume control the box comes up, however it doesnt change the volume
<plagerism> Last time it was a matter of uninstalling and reinstalling some packages, but for the life of me I cannot remember which ones, I think it had something to do with capplets
<njs12345> membreya: I'm using the built in SATA on my Asus P4P800-VM
<PacoBCN> I'm a bit bored now... seems that everything works perfectly in hoary :(
<Codyman> how do i configure my network card?
<membreya> PacoBCN: wait until hoary is released as a final and then you will have grumpy to install :)
<plagerism> PacoBCN, you should do what I did, and break things!! I got bored too so I broke things
<Codyman> i accidentally bypassed the setup screen when ubuntu was installing
<PacoBCN> plagerism, good idea
<njs12345> Codyman: try "ifconfig --help" or "man ifconfig" and "iwconfig --help" or "man iwconfig"
<LinuxJones> Codyman, sudo network-admin have a look in there and see if your nic card is listed
<meepmeep`> hi :)
<PacoBCN> but it's safier to convince other people to install Ubuntu and try to fix their problems via ssh :D
<Codyman> ok thanks
<njs12345> or try what LinuxJones suggested, that'll probably work
<njs12345> anyone here have Flumotion installed and running?
<LinuxJones> njs12345, no but I am going to set one up in a few weeks
<PacoBCN> njs12345, I tried but I didn't succeed, however, I didn't spent time on it, actually
<Codyman> LinuxJones: didn't work.. by the way i have the latest amd64 version of Kubuntu
<njs12345> Codyman: I think network-admin is GNOME only
<Codyman> what would be the kde equivilent?
<PacoBCN> LinuxJones, cool, will you also installa a hava applet for web?
<njs12345> I don't know
<njs12345> but it should have the command line tools
<njs12345> PacoBCN: I was trying today
<PacoBCN> njs12345, and what was the problem?
<njs12345> when I run flumotion-admin, I get a whole load of errors and it never starts
<LinuxJones> PacoBCN, what I want to do is export my desktop while helping folks here. It is easier sometimes to show people how to do something in Linux rather than tell them usign text :)
<njs12345> LinuxJones: VNC?
<PacoBCN> LinuxJones, that would be great, indeed
<LinuxJones> njs12345, if more than 1 person wants to look in it's easier to setup a streaming server
<njs12345> I think you can set VNC up so that people can only watch and not control
<Pheonix> hi all
<njs12345> hey Pheonix
<LinuxJones> njs12345, it's going to be a video stream they can only watch what I do :)
<chickenman> im going to play my PS2 see you all later :D
<Pheonix> am new to Ubuntu, just installed the new release
<Pheonix> it didnt ask me to set up a root password
<njs12345> ..and what do you think? :)
<membreya> with VNC, just go to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop ...tick "Allow others to view your desktop" but make sure that "Allow others to control your desktop" is deselected
<njs12345> no, it uses sudo
<njs12345> sudo command-that-requires-root
<njs12345> and enter your user password
<njs12345> or
<njs12345> sudo -s
<njs12345> to get a root shell
<Pheonix> ahhh ok
<Pheonix> makes sense now
<Pheonix> but apart from that it looks good
<Pheonix> still getting used to the layout
<membreya> is there any way to assign a keyboard shortcut to launch a specific application ?
<Pheonix> bbs
<plagerism> membreya, yea you use gconf-editor, however I cant remember the exact location of the key
<rempresent> anyone try to install amarok before?
<LinuxJones> rempresent, that isn't part of the kubuntu-desktop package ?
<PacoBCN> what is amarok?
<rempresent> i don't know
<rempresent> i think so, since it is based off of kde
<rempresent> to work off of the kde desktop environment
* SeeleyUSMC is looking for a free pop3 email account
<membreya> SeeleyUSMC: gmail :P
<njs12345> PacoBCN: amarok = KDE based music player
<njs12345> a bit like Rhythmbox for KDE
<membreya> SeeleyUSMC: you can use pop3 to check your hotmail if you install hotwayd
<njs12345> but it's meant to be the shit
<LinuxJones> membreya, is gmail available yet ?
<njs12345> LinuxJones: no
<LinuxJones> :(
<njs12345> but if anyone wants an invite I have like 50
<membreya> LinuxJones: I'm checking my ISP, gmail, hotmail and my local mail file with thunderbird
<PacoBCN> njs12345, thx
<membreya> all working beautifully
<HiddenWolf> linuxjones: need an invite?
<LinuxJones> yahoomail doesn't seem to work with Evolution
<SeeleyUSMC> doesn't hotmail have a lot of advertisements?
<njs12345> yup
<LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, maybe I'll just wait :)
<membreya> SeeleyUSMC: nope, I get maybe one spam a month..and that's just the newsletter
<SeeleyUSMC> hrm
<LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, I need something to look forward to, it's what keeps me going :D
<njs12345> yay!
<njs12345> http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=159902316
<NJal> Ok how do i use this?
<membreya> njs12345: meh.. I hate firefox
<SeeleyUSMC> membreya: So if I get a hotmail account, I can access it in a POP3 email app like evolution or the like?
<membreya> galeon all the way :)
<HiddenWolf> linuxjones: sad going if you're looking forward to gmail
<membreya> SeeleyUSMC: yes indeed, the service you need to run is called hotwayd
<LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, heh
<njs12345> membreya: I do webdev and Internet Explorer makes me want to slit my wrists ;)
<HiddenWolf> membreya: I'll cary galeon all the way to the graveyard for you ;)
<NJal> Erm anyone mind lending me a hand?
<membreya> njs12345: I like IE ...but above all I love my galeon :)
<njs12345> NJal: with what?
<njs12345> membreya: well do me a favour and persuade people not to use IE
<membreya> njs12345: lol :P
<NJal> Well duel booting Ubuntu
<membreya> SeeleyUSMC: http://freshmeat.net/projects/hotwayd/
<plagerism> njs12345:s/IE/Windows XP/g
<plagerism> Problem solved!!!
<Bauhn> zenwhen > I'm back ;P I found the wireless cofiguration.. but i dont know what's the unit are called (i have it in swedish, so i dont know what it's called in english)
<NJal> How does it fair against the likes of SuSE and Fedora?
<HiddenWolf> plagerism: dont' mention windows here, I've just eaten.
<plagerism> lol
<njs12345> NJal: never used either of them
<membreya> it's been a good two weeks since I've been in windows...and I don't intend to boot it for a long time
<plagerism> HiddenWolf, what if it about persuading people not to use XP?
<zenwhen> Bauhn, I dont understand your question.
<NJal> I need Windows to download drivers for Linux atm
<njs12345> but I think it's more stable than Fedora and more bleeding edge than SuSE
<NJal> So i need a duel boot
<HiddenWolf> plagerism: good luck with that.
<membreya> njs12345: bleeding edge means getting cut from time to time :P
<plagerism> membreya, havent had a windows partition for 5 years now, and I couldnt be happier.  Anything i need to do in Windows I can do in VMWARE!!
<membreya> plagerism: only thing I need windows for is transcoding Xvid files to mpeg2 so I can burn them to DVD .. I'm too lazy right now to learn how to do it in linux
<NJal> But my question is, will it duel boot?
<HiddenWolf> plagerism: that's running windows on bypass, no cudo's for you
<Bauhn> zenwhen > when i'm installing the wireless network it's a couple of fields i should fill in.. the first is unit (or something like that in english), next is ssid-name (what's that?) and the last is the WEP-key, which is on 26 letters
<nicc> njs12345, ur talking about ubuntu?
<plagerism> membreya, why not use Transcode?? Much faster
<njs12345> nicc: yes
<Codyman> anyone know what app is used under Kubuntu for network configuration?
<membreya> plagerism: read above :)
<njs12345> I said I wasn't sure
<nicc> njs12345, hoary?
<Bauhn> zenwhen so what should i write in the first field?
<membreya> besides.. it only takes about 30 mins to transcode a file in windows
<njs12345> just Ubuntu in general
<markuman> hello. i?m tryin since over 10 minutes to make with lame a mp3 file to a .wav file.....can someone help me? how does it work???
<plagerism> membreya, its actually not that hard, I was quite surprised myself
<Riddell> Codyman: none yet, try knetworkconf in universe
<njs12345> markuman: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
<DarthFrog> markuman: It doesn't work that way.  It turns a  wav file into an mp3.
<nicc> could anyone try muine ? does it work?
<AMIGrAve> what is approximately the timing buffered disk read speed in MB/Sec (hdparm -tT)  for a 40X dvdwriter ? (assuming it is correctly configured for dma, ...)
<Codyman> Riddell: ok i'll try
<Riddell> (it's not ready for use yet but maybe you can make it do something Codyman )
<membreya> plagerism: wanna give me the command line to transcode xvid to mpeg 2 ? :)
<ricardo_> I back.
<zenwhen> Bauhn, I am not currently using a computer with a wireless connection. Ill have to boot up my old laptop to see
<ricardo_> I'm back
<zenwhen> why is it in swedish?
<nicc> does anyone have muine installed?
<Bauhn> zenwhen becuase i'm swedish ;P
<njs12345> nicc:I tried a while back, and never could get it work
<zenwhen> Why cant you read it?
<markuman> <njs12345> no, will it work with it?
<ricardo_> I cannnot restart cups. I tried it with /etc/ini.d/cupsd restart and it didn't work
<nicc> njs12345, nothing worked?
<membreya> ricardo_: it's cupsys
<plagerism> membreya, here is a nice little tutorial for authoring dvds with menus even http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto.php
<Codyman> Riddell: knetworkconf does not work
<njs12345> markuman: you can probably do some funkyness with gst-launch if you have gstreamer0.8-mad
<plagerism> membreya, the command is the same for all types of videos
<ricardo_> what is the command?
<Riddell> Codyman: what doesn't work about it?
<rempresent> i can't remove this directory, it says that it is empty, and i can't manually move it
<membreya> AMIGrAve: I get 2.5MB/s on -t and 927MB/s on -T
<njs12345> rempresent: rm -r
<rempresent> how can you force remove a directory?
<lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and starts the gui.  any help?
<njs12345> to force: rm -rf
<membreya> rempresent: rm -rf
<membreya> with a sudo
<rempresent> would it be rmdir -r
<nicc> and does anyone have no troubles with rhythmbox ? I think I messed up something but I'm not sure. will a reinstall help?
<Codyman> Riddell: i type in the command and nothing happens... should something happen?
<AMIGrAve> membreya: and you've got a 40X speed ?
<rempresent> rm will work
<membreya> erm, 52x :)
<rempresent> ?
<Riddell> Codyman: have you installed it?
<njs12345> nicc: try gst-register-0.8 in a term
<markuman> is there any other tool to make a mp3 to a wav file???
<Codyman> i can't install it if i don't have the internet which is what i'm try to fix
<membreya> AMIGrAve: did you do a sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
<AMIGrAve> membreya: yeps
<lawman> btw.  it's ubuntu 5.04
<lawman> help.
<plagerism> membreya, here is a nice little script to do it as well http://sourceforge.net/projects/divxtodvd/. it ussually needs some tweaking, but it works in most instances that I have used it!!
<Riddell> Codyman: fair point, well you'll have to play with editing /etc/network/interfaces by hand and running sudo ifup eth0 etc
<membreya> plagerism: xvid..not divx :P
<rempresent> tight, it worked, thanks everyone
<AMIGrAve> membreya: my speed is also 2.56MB/sec
<plagerism> membreya divx/xvid all the same stuff
<plagerism> membreya same commands to do it all
<nicc> njs12345, it ran fine
<lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu 5.04.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and tries to start the gui.  any guidance on the problem?
<Bauhn> zenwhen i can read it, but i dont understand what i'm supposed to write in the first field.. i cant choose any network-card (btw, i have an usb-card.. DLINK dwl-122)
<AMIGrAve> membreya: but when I type hdparm /dev/dvd  i've got this line at the end of the output : HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
<nicc> njs12345, I still can't read 50 % of my song
<nicc> njs12345, I see album's name but thats all
<njs12345> lawman: what kind of graphics card do you have?
<jalal_ubuntu> hi all
<lawman> via i think
<SeeleyUSMC> ...half an hour left to download install version of hoary
<njs12345> you might need to set up proprietrary graphics drivers, see the wiki
<jalal_ubuntu> how to configure sound in ubuntu 4.10
<jalal_ubuntu> plz
<cdr> hi, is ubuntu suitable for production servers?
<ricardo_> THANKS FOLKS!!!!
<nicc> AMIGrAve, who doesnt have that?
<njs12345> cdr: yes, it's basically debian if you're using it for a server
<amiroff> Anybody has a copy of autopackage.tar.bz2 file locally by chance ? I really need it...
<rempresent> where can you download the presets for the equalizer in xmms?
<cdr> njs12345: i know but i thought it was based on the unstable branch of debian
<heze> cdr, hoary is unstable afaik, warty is not.
<nicc> cdr, I think ubuntu is better for desktop, even though it could be used as server too
<njs12345> cdr: ubuntulinux.org is running it atm, and I've never seen it go down
<jalal_ubuntu> sound pls how ti configure it in ubuntu
<markuman> how to make a wav file from a mp3 file??????
<heze> markuman, ask google
<nicc> markuman, yes
<lawman> 12345:  i'm a total newbie to linux.  what does wiki mean?
<heze> "linux convert mp3 wav" should find something
<jalal_ubuntu> plz
<heze> markuman, xmms might have a disk writer output plugin, try that..
<cdr> lawman: it's like a forum
<lawman> ok
<markuman> heze, http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=%22linux+convert+mp3+wav%22&btnG=Suche&meta=
<lawman> any link?
<markuman> heze , nothing!!!
<heze> markuman, feel free to adjust the search parameters :)
<plagerism> markuman use mpg123 -w something.wav something.mp3
<nicc> I could try warty but it didnt have muine
<lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu 5.04.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and tries to start the gui.  any guidance on the problem?  i've tried looking at a wiki forum, but can't seen anything about blank login screens.
<markuman> plagerism, thx!!!
<plagerism> markuman your welcome
<LinuxJones> lawman, your screen goes black or locks up ?
<nicc> lawman, you get the console? just X isnt working?
<heze> lawman, umm, do you get a text login if you ctrl+alt+f1?
<membreya> gah ..damn computer..only EVER freezes when I use my internet browser... I think it has to do with the fact that I'm running reiserfs
<lawman> it goes black.
<lawman> doesn't lock up
<membreya> will go back to ext3 when I get my 200gb
<lawman> if i try to power off. the black gui screen disappears to the txt screen
<lawman> and i see a login prompt
<lawman> and things powering off
<nicc> membreya, strange
<heze> membreya, which version of reiser are you running?
<membreya> 3.6
<nicc> lawman, it powers of alone?
<jalal_ubuntu> anyone know how to configure ?
<lawman> no.  if i press power button.  i get console. when X starts, it becomes black.
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu I know how to configure
<LinuxJones> lawman, at the text login screen hit ctrl+alt+F2
<lawman> ok.  and that will fix it?
<lawman> i'll try a reboot now and report feedback. thx.
<madstop> hey folks.  I'm about to install kde through synaptic, but I'm getting dire warnings that the software "can't be authenticated".  What's that about?
<nicc> not really but it'll be a good start
<electricwheels> Good Day All :)
<nicc> madstop, it isnt from official repo
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, plz which command i'll use ?
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu ./configure
<jsgotangco> greetings
<madstop> These are marked "supported" by ubuntu, nicc
* plagerism wonders what jalal_ubuntu is talking about
<heze> anyone know why the nvidia kernel modules doesn't load up automatically for me? (hoary, 2.6.10-5-k7)? i have to manually load it first.
<nicc> madstop, you get it from the right repo?
* SeeleyUSMC goes off to stickdeath.com to take up time
<LinuxJones> lawman, no we going to try to fix it for you
<PacoBCN> heze, is in the modules list?
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i'm talkin about sound configuration
<heze> pacobcn, the what? :)
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i get no sound
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: alsa or oss??
<PacoBCN> heze, type "vi /etc/modules"
<madstop> main repo, nicc
<LinuxJones> heze, install the 2.6.10-4-k7 kernel-image and  use that kernel
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism dunno i'm a newbie :)
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know a good site for sucking up time while waiting for a download?
<heze> linuxjones, isn't that one broken?
<LinuxJones> heze, the 2.6.10-5-k7 + nvidia have problems for some of us :(
<plagerism> jalal_ubnutu: what does lsmod|grep snd show??
<LinuxJones> heze, no I am running it right now
<heze> i'm running it fine after modprobing it manually
<goxy> anybody helps me with intel 536 on ubuntu 5.04
<nicc> no
<LinuxJones> heze, I still can't run it as of last night
<madstop> the kde files I'm referring to are all marked with ubuntu logo.
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, it worke in the live cd version but not when i installed
<heze> pacobcn, thanks.
<LinuxJones> goxy, what's wrong ?
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: does `lsmod|grep snd` show anything??
<madstop> I googled, but found nothing on this.  damn, probably should do an update first then check...
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, wait
<PacoBCN> heze, solved?
<heze> pacobcn, will see in 20 mins when i get to reboot
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes
<nicc> the terminal in synaptic is totally black
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism can i paste it in private
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: have you tried using the sound mixer to control volume??
<nicc> it should show software being installed
<goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links but this piece off not work
<plagerism> jalal_ubunut: I dont know what it means I just know it should be there
<PacoBCN> heze, ok
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes all voume are up
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: try `sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart`
<KudDa> how do i install mplayer on warty ... any apt-get command i can use?
<LinuxJones> KudDa, search the website for restricted formats
<madstop> nicc, sometimes in that black terminal, you just have to scroll way down till you see some messages.
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, ok
<nicc> madstop, oops too late. I didnt try that
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: no error messages??
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: check to see if esd is running. `ps -ef |grep esd`
<SeeleyUSMC> Any recommended things I should look for after install of ubuntu?  Remember, I'm new, so ANY suggestions are thanked.
<electricwheels> I have a problem with GRUB not booting my Windows XP .  In the menu.lst the entry for booting windows xp was "root  (hd0,0)", I was told by one of the people on here to change it to "rootnoverify  (hd0,0) so I did.  Now when I want to boot windows it just lists the commands and nothing else happens, compared to me getting an error message before the change. The rest of the commands are savedefault makeactive chainloader +1.  Wh
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, jalal    20475     1  0 14:50 ?        00:00:03 /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps  -as 2 -spawnfd 17
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, still no sound
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: kill it ``kill -9 20475`
<LinuxJones> electricwheels, I don't run windows but I am sure someone could post their menu.lst file to pastebin.ca for you
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, and ?
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu:  try something to see if you get sound
<nicc> rhythmbox and muine are still fucked up
<electricwheels> That would be great if someone could do that for me.. :)
<nicc> I need to know if I'm alone, or if these are real bugs
<spenser> Does the kubuntu live cd have an install to HD option?
<thenuke> spenser: no
<heze> electricwheels, i'll do
<LinuxJones> spenser, no
<spenser> thenuke:  ugh. thanks
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, still nothing xmms goes too fast
<nicc> because I couldnt find anything about it on google and bugzilla
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, and i have no soud
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: try something more simple, try mpg123 <sound file>
<imnes> I'm going through a fresh install right now of Warty, if I'm going to immediately upgrade to Hoary do I need to let the installer of Warty go online and download additional packages at the end of the installation or can I skip that?
<heze> electricwheels, http://pastebin.com/260179
<KudDa> i got all the file needed from mplayer page ... codec and tars ... i tried to follow instruction in there ... i end up reinstalling my ubuntu ...
<imnes> If I skip that, once I change my repos and issue a dist-upgrade will it still grab all those packages that I skipped in the installer?
<KudDa> any simple way?
<nicc> imnes, why dont u do a hoary install?
<rvirani> How come the CD-ripper wont rip MP3 files
<madstop> nicc -- yep, I just needed to update, and the security warnings went away for kde...
<rvirani> its kind of flippin useless
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, nothing
<imnes> nicc: don't have a hoary disk right now.
<LinuxJones> KudDa, you add the mirilat repository
<nicc> madstop, ?
<plagerism> jalal_ubunutu: does the output of mpg123 give you any hints??
<jalal_ubuntu> cant find the command
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, cant find the command
<rvirani> do you need that to rip MP3s?
<rvirani> why isnt it there by default
<rvirani> seems really stupid...
<Sonium> hi, is there a ubuntu version with german translation?
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `apt-get install mpg123`
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `sudo apt-get install mpg123`
<madstop> nicc, I was complaining about non-authenticated kde packages in synaptic...
<Sonium> my grandmother doesn't speak english very well ;)
<nicc> madstop, ho yes :)
<SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone here know if limewire works with ubuntu?
<Bauhn> I have installed ubuntu today, and now i'm trying to get internet working. I have wireless internet and my network card is D-Link DWL-122. My problem is that when i'm in the wireless-network-configuration i cant find a "unit" (don't know what it says in the english version). anyone who can help me with configuring my network card/ubuntu?
<electricwheels> what is pastebin.com ??
<nicc> madstop, all fine then
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, it says no packhe contains this name
<SeeleyUSMC> 4 minutes to burn time
<Sonium> Bauhn: D-Link sucks hard on linux, i don't think that there is a driver for your card
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `sudo apt-get install mpg321`
<SeeleyUSMC> Sonium: what is the best wireless card for linux then?
<Bauhn> Sonium the bad news is that i dont have/can get another for a while ;P
<KudDa> "...you add the mirilat repository" ... ??? im lost ... i'm not that good at linux :P
<heze> isn't there the windows driver wrapper for linux to help that wlan thing?
<Sonium> SeeleyUSMC: everything that uses a common chipset like prism
<madstop> yep, here comes kde; just wish I knew which of these hundreds of packages I'm supposed to install -- I suppose "kde base" is a reasonable guess, eh? :) noob here
<SeeleyUSMC> Well Atheros uses a commen chipset right?
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, are u there ?
<Sonium> think so
<Bauhn> heze msg me if you find it
<nicc> I think prism is better, but it needs a firmware
<geneo93> madstop:  just kde and that gives you all you need
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: yes the packages is mpg321, not mpg123
<LinuxJones> electricwheels, it's a place where you can paste text temporarily for others to see.
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: so `sudo apt-get install mpg321`
<nicc> anyway my prism54 is still a lot better than my atheros card
<Sonium> Bauhn: http://julian.coccia.com/blog/index.php?p=53&more=1
<goxy> anybody helps me with intel 536 on ubuntu 5.04
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, nothnig still unreachebale
<heze> bauhn, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
<LinuxJones> goxy, what's the problem ?
<Bauhn> Sonium thanks!
<Bauhn> heze ok, thx
<plagerism> jalal_ubunutu, you dont have a network connection on your box??
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes i have it
<PacoBCN> I'm convincing people in Nicotine channels to use Ubuntu... kinda priest of Linux...
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i get that : Aucun paquet ne correspond au paquet mpg321
<luiz_> I recived ubuntu from a friend here in Brasil, but when I triede to start the live cd it did't recognized my geforce 4 mx. How can i sove the problem?
<madstop> geneo93, believe it or not, I don't see any "just kde" packages here -- unless you mean all this stuff with the languages listed; I thought all that was documentation
<goxy> LinuxJones:i compile module insert it into kernel make links but this piece off not work
<geneo93> madstop:  all i did was apt-get install kde
<plagerism> okay jalal_ubuntu: just try cat /usr/share/sounds/gtk-events/activate.wav>/dev/dsp
<LinuxJones> goxy, what module are you trying to compile ?
<electricwheels> ok well I have checked my menu.lst against the one that you sent me and they are both the same but when I use mine I get the error filesystem type unknown partition type 0x7 ....
<apokryphos> madstop: what are you trying to do?
<madstop> well, that's what I'll do to geneo93 -- thanks!
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu, any sound??
<goxy> LinuxJones:i compile driver from tha intel site
<madstop> "do too"
<LinuxJones> goxy, for what device ?
<goxy> LinuxJones: modem Intel536
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism,  no  :(
<Bauhn> Sonium i suck on linux and don't understand much from that text.. do i have to download a kernel update, or what's it saying?
* SeeleyUSMC is burning his install disk
<geneo93> madstop:  np
<goxy> this module works on other distros with 2.6 kernel
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: just a hunch but ps -ef |grep esd again
<LinuxJones> goxy, do you have build-essential installed ?
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism,  i got nothing
<Sonium> Bauhn: you probably have to compile a kernel yourself
<goxy> LinuxJones: jes
<madstop> apokryphos, just installing kde.  Synaptic is confusing me; not sure which package I should install first.
<plagerism> jalal_ubuntu, perhaps I am not the best to help you then, that is as far as my knowledge goes
<goxy> and module compiles
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell madstop ubukde
<Pyre> madstop: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
* plagerism whistles and walks away
<LinuxJones> goxy, does it spit out any errors ?
<Bauhn> Sonium ohfuck, i dont know a shit about compiling kernels ;P
<Yobui> hi i know this is kinda offtopic, but i'm kinda desperate :), do you know where can I find a good explanation of copy-on-write pages for linux? (especially regarding fork() speedups?)
<jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, is there an utility to configure the sound card like snd-sonfig ?
<madstop> thank you both!
<goxy> nothing speccially
<goxy> same as in other distros
<goxy> evrithing looks good
<LinuxJones> goxy, do you have to run depmod for the system to find the new module ?
<madstop> (er, is Pyre the designated rtfm guy?)
<goxy> no
<Sonium> Bauhn: hrm, you better ask in one of the ubuntu forums
<goxy> but i insert the module
<LinuxJones> goxy, mmm I wish I could help
<Bauhn> Sonium ok, but anyway. thanks for the help
<LinuxJones> goxy, it errors out when you try to load it ?
<goxy> dmesg
* SeeleyUSMC can hardly wait to actually have a totally functional linux system running so he can start learning about linux
<stodge> Does kubuntu have anti-aliased fonts?
<goxy> nothing
<Sonium> Bauhn: the problem is, i never used ubuntu so I can't tell you e.g. where to place the compiled kernel
<apokryphos> stodge: yes
<sabmoc> stodge, yes
<stodge> Ok -the screenshots I saw didn't look like it does
<stodge> :P
<apokryphos> stodge: in the preview it didn't by default I think, though.
<heze> sonium, /boot is a good place :)
<stodge> Ah ok
<stodge> Anyone using it?
<apokryphos> stodge: yup :). See also #kubuntu
<heze> sonium, then again it might be a good idea to build up a .deb of the new kernel(+modules), dunno how to do that tho :P
<stodge> Ah will do!
<PlasmaPain> what is the partition program in ubuntu ?
<madstop> good morning, sabmoc.  or evening, or whatever applies
<nicc> what do u prefer between hoary and warty?
<LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, what's not working ?
<sabmoc> madstop, almost 8am thanks
<apokryphos> nicc: vast majority here using hoary
<goxy> wvdial says no modem
<geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  best way to learn is to have a totally broken system
<goxy> /dev/modem
<LinuxJones> goxy, you get errors when you try to load the module ?
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, do you mean a desktop tool, or an command line tool?
<goxy> no
<Sonium> looks like moste ubuntu users are absolutly linux newbs
<LinuxJones> goxy, it jsut doesn't work ?
<PlasmaPain> i mean a partition tool
<sabmoc> Sonium, ahem
<goxy> yes
<madstop> nicc, for me, the nice thing is, gnome panels aren't crashing anymore!
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, yes, a partition tool for the desktop, or a command line partition tool?
<SeeleyUSMC> LinuxJones: Well, it would be really nice if I could get a connection to the internet so I can stop switching between my partitions to access the net and then test something out, find out it doesn't work, then have to boot back to windows again...
<SeeleyUSMC> painful
<LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, you have a wireless card ?
<goxy> in addition it works on fedora,mdk,slack,vector,windovs
<nicc> its still way too bugged for me
<DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: You could use gparted.
<madstop> and the menus are more sensible, and firefox is more up to date, etc etc
<PlasmaPain> cfdisk
<SeeleyUSMC> I'll be back in a bit.  Going to install Hoary.
<PlasmaPain> and what else ?
<goxy> knoppix
<SeeleyUSMC> LinuxJones: Yes.  An Atheros a/b/g internal to my laptop
<heze> pacobcn, yeah that fixed the nvidia problem. i wonder if i should've run some cmd after upgrading the kernel to get nvidia "enabled" again :o can't recall the command tho.
<apokryphos> nicc: what's the problem? I've experienced about two bugs, and they were a long time ago.
<PlasmaPain> HOARY
<Sonium> so, back to my question: are there any localisation efforts on ubuntu?
<LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, let me see what i can find
<nicc> apokryphos, u must be lucky
<DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: parted, qtparted, fdisk.
<PacoBCN> heze, now it's loading the module, right?
<heze> pacobcn, yeah
<apokryphos> nicc: I don't think so; bugs in here seem scarce.
<PacoBCN> heze, you can try to see if it's enabled or not
<nicc> apokryphos, scarce?
<PlasmaPain> no cfdisk ?
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, fdisk, or from the desktop you can use qtparted, it is a partition magic clone.
<PacoBCN> it won't affect
<heze> pacobcn, what? where? :)
<DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: Yes, cfdisk.
<apokryphos> %dict scarce
<Pyre> Scarce (adv.) Alt. of Scarcely
<goxy> mybe its 'feature[ of debian
<PlasmaPain> im never going to install ubuntu
<PacoBCN> heze,  "nvidia-glx-config enable"
<apokryphos> nicc: rare :)
<zenwhen> PlasmaPain, lol
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, howdy
<nicc> apokryphos, could u try muine for me?
<PacoBCN> heze, with sudo before
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Good morning.
<PacoBCN> "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
<apokryphos> nicc: your what?
<sabmoc> aye, sort of
<zenwhen> Its partitioning tools are capable of everything cfdisk is
<PlasmaPain> ubuntu leaks
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, and goodmorning to you
<nicc> apokryphos, apt-get install muine
<zenwhen> PlasmaPain, trolling is frowned upon here.
<PlasmaPain> what trolling ?
<heze> pacobcn, ahh right that's the command i missed :) any idea what it does?
<PlasmaPain> theres no firewalls
<snk00sj> hi
<PacoBCN> heze, yes, it enables it :D
<_d4vid> ky all
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, yes there is
<PlasmaPain> so any haxor can slice your ubuntu open
<heze> pacobcn, aww that tool doesn't work for me since i've custom X config
<SeeleyUSMC> AR5212 is the chipset I have and all of them seem to "work out of the box"
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, you're welcome to try
<nicc> there are many linux hackers?
<DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: Try firestarter.
<spike> hi there
<zenwhen> PlasmaPain, stop making things up.
<PlasmaPain> and for see your future in its guts
<zenwhen> Theres plenty of firewalls for ubuntu.
<sabmoc> zmog
<zenwhen> haha
<spike> I'm running warthy, but I'd like to try out kolourpaint, which is available in horay. any solution?
<PacoBCN> btw, "sudo" in Spanish means "I sweat", probably because you sweat everytime you do things with root privileges :)
<zenwhen> is this guy for real?
<PlasmaPain> all reall hackers use linux
<heze> pacobcn, =D
<zenwhen> hahahahahaha
<PlasmaPain> thast why theres no virus/trojans for linux
<apokryphos> PacoBCN: heh
<PlasmaPain> they dont need them
<PacoBCN> heze, it should work
<heze> plasmapain, wanna a count on the rootkits available for linux? :P
<zenwhen> craziness
<sabmoc> zenwhen, dont make eyecontact I think he is a crazed windoze user
<nicc> PlasmaPain, what do u mean they dont need them?
<SeeleyUSMC> Now, when they say "work out of the box" does that mean that its actually GOING to WORK when I install the distro?
<snk00sj> i am trying to use autofs to mount some ntfs drives on my fresh ubuntu installation
<heze> pacobcn, it bails out with an: "ERROR: your X configuration has been altered.\n This script cannot proceed automatically... etc"
<PlasmaPain> they dont need them because its already open
<snk00sj> where do the error logs of autofs go standard ?
<apokryphos> nicc: interesting; does it not start up for you?
<sabmoc> SeeleyUSMC, yes that is what 'out of the box' means, but weather that actually happens is another story. :)
<SeeleyUSMC> heh
<nicc> apokryphos, album's picture are messed up
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Then you are using the OS wrong.
<heze> seeleyusmc, hoary will not do that :P
<da_root> how can i clean the trash?
<PacoBCN> heze, well, in that case you'll have to add to your xorg.conf the nvidia strings
<PlasmaPain> wrong OS ?
<SeeleyUSMC> We'll find out soon...I'm going to go off and install this now.  Be back in a short bit.
<heze> pacobcn, nvidia strings? :o *confused*
<apokryphos> nicc: odd; my one doesn't start up for me here.
<heze> pacobcn, i'm such a n00b with X =(
<apokryphos> nicc: might be worth posting that on the mailing list.
<nicc> apokryphos, ha I see. I'm lucky finally
<pipeline> PlasmaPain: There are trojans and rootkits for linux.  Tons of them.
<nicc> apokryphos, rhythmbox is bugged too
<pipeline> PlasmaPain: The difference is that once you get root on a UNIX system, nothing on heaven or earth will unseat you
<apokryphos> nicc: heh. I don't use 'em. :D
<pipeline> PlasmaPain: There's no need for virus scanners because you're simply fucked once you've been hit.
<PacoBCN> heze, what did you add to your xorg.conf?
<apokryphos> nicc: amaroK seems to fulfill all my fantasies ;)
<sabmoc> pipeline, yes, dont forget to upgrade your rootkit to the lastest version
<heze> pacobcn, i've a xinerama setup so lots of stuff :)
<pipeline> sabmoc: I find it's unnecessary because many people are still running unpatched systems.
<nicc> apokryphos, I hate this kde look
<sabmoc> apokryphos, i hear its really great
<PacoBCN> I see.
<da_root> how can i cleane trash in command line
<heze> with 2 different display adapters might i add
<apokryphos> nicc: Sorry to hear that
<nicc> apokryphos, I tried it I found the menus and buttons really ugly and not really well placed
<PlasmaPain> im fucked ?
<apokryphos> sabmoc: it certainly is. The amaroK devs seem to work at lightning pace too. Features are unrivalled, imo.
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Thats the truth.
<sabmoc> pipeline, i meant the rootkit installed on your computer (a joke) but hey its realy, dont expect anything i say to make sence
<LinuxJones> heze, how is xinerama working for you ?
<apokryphos> nicc: Interesting, I found the exact opposite.
<nicc> apokryphos, it seems it has nice features though
<sabmoc> *sense*
<heze> linuxjones, quite fine actually
<PacoBCN> Heze, I'm not a master on this but I'm pretty sure you'll have to add the proper definitions to the "Device" Section
<heze> linuxjones, xscreensaver is a bit useless tho :)
<heze> pacobcn, to.. get.. what?
<apokryphos> nicc: it supports stylesheets now to change colours etc.. of stuff, but if you dislike kde look in general then you're likely to not like it at all.
<LinuxJones> heze, so you can run different apps on different monitors ?
<PlasmaPain> so the virus in linux are called rootkits ?
<PacoBCN> Driver "nvidia"
<heze> linuxjones, even the same app on both monitors
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, no
<LinuxJones> heze, that's awesome
<heze> pacobcn, i'm running that yeah.
<heze> linuxjones, just don't try anything opengl :P and i've problems with relative positioning, it just gives an error when starting X
<PacoBCN> heze, did you see the nvidia splash screen when loaded x?
<heze> pacobcn, nah i've disabled it
<LinuxJones> heze, I am getting a new lcd monitor in a few weeks and would love that setup
<PacoBCN> ok, but only because of that you don't see it then
<heze> pacobcn, only problem was that the kernel module didn't load up automatically, i'm fine now :)
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Rootkits arn't viruses per say.  Although they can have properties if one.  Fact is if you don't secure it no operating system is safe.
<PacoBCN> heze, oh, great!
<PacoBCN> :D
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, google for rootkit, rootkit is not a virus, its a piece of software a hacker secretly installs on a system he/she has compromized so that they can gain access automatically
<Tiscan> Some are just easier to secure then others. ;)
<SeeleyUSMC> grr...
<PacoBCN> heze, I thought you didn't have it :D
<SeeleyUSMC> install disk doesn't boot for some reason...what gives/
<nicc> apokryphos, u r using kde?
<apokryphos> nicc: yes
<PlasmaPain> who do i know if the hacker has rootkited me ?
<typo> I've looked around in the site and I can't seam to find what's new in hoary? Where is it?
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: What makes you think someone has?
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, its called a root kit because it gives hackers root access, and a backdoor to the system, basically they own j00
<heze> linuxjones, also i've some problem with the WM's window positioning smartness, it always throws the dialogs on the "free space" on the other side of my desktop :P that's like too far away..
<PlasmaPain> rootkit is the same has a trojan
<LinuxJones> heze, heh
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, there is a program you can install that scans for all known rootkits, like a virusdetector
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know why the install won't boot but the live does?
<nicc> apokryphos,  I think amarok is better integrated in kde than in gnome
<apokryphos> naturally
<PacoBCN> just wondering if there's a way to allow Ubuntu to play only Jazz songs... my gfriend has a terrible music taste...
<Tiscan> PacoBCN: LOL
<jalal_ubuntu> plz how to install the firefox
<jalal_ubuntu> i got a .tar.gz file
<heze> apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
<DarthFrog> jalal_ubuntu: Use synaptic to install mozilla-firefox.
<Tiscan> Jalal: You don't need a .tar.gz file.  "apt-get insrtall mozilla-firefox"
<GnuKemist> Jalal, or tar zxvf firefox.tar.gz
<Tiscan> er, install
<sabmoc> PlasmaPain, the difference between a virus and a rootkit is that viruses or worms can install themselves by a script runing loose on the internet, sometimes thousands of windows boxed are compromized, but a rootkit needs to be installed by hand. Which would you rather prefer?
<jalal_ubuntu> ok i'll test it
<GnuKemist> Jalal, then ./configure && make && make install
<snk00sj> can anyone assist me on mounting my windows partitions using autofs ?
<pipeline> sabmoc: Bullshit.
<PlasmaPain> instasll by hand
<Chipzz> GnuKemist: *sigh*
<heze> gnukemist, bad idea :)
<snk00sj> i tried some manuals, but cannot get it working
<sabmoc> pipeline, which part?
<Tiscan> sabmoc: Not always true.
<pipeline> sabmoc, PlasmaPain: There have been dozens of script-kiddie style automated rootkits.  That's why they're called rootKITS.
<GnuKemist> heze, the old way... ;)
<GnuKemist> Chipzz, ?
<apokryphos> GnuKemist: also, the tarred firefox isn't compiled. It has a .bin, IIRC.
<heze> gnukemist, well yeah use a --prefix=/opt :)
<Chipzz> GnuKemist: 17:05 < Tiscan> Jalal: You don't need a .tar.gz file.  "apt-get insrtall mozilla-firefox"
<pipeline> sabmo, PlasmaPain: All of the hard work is done for you.  All you have to do is wait for exploit news and run a portscanner every few weeks.
<jjpmr52> sa
<GnuKemist> Chipzz, I'm aware of that... but the guy had a tar
<GnuKemist> Chipzz, so I answered his question
<Chipzz> GnuKemist: just 4 questions: Yea? And? So? What?
<PlasmaPain> so even if i scan the rootkit file with clamav its not gona find it ?
<GnuKemist> Chipzz, but I'd recommend apt-get install
<Tiscan> The fact is though there are many more viruses, trojans and exploits out for other operation systems.  They arn't as easy to protect against and they arn't as easy to verify that they have been well and truely fixed because we can't look at the code.
<heze> gnukemist, what they mean is that the real answer is: rm -rf the.tar && aptitude install mozilla-firefox :P
<GnuKemist> heze, no doubt a good solution
<GnuKemist> heze, or easier
<PlasmaPain> the haxors can look at linux code and devise better ways to slice it
<jjpmr52> sa
<heze> gnukemist, installing stuff the old way into the "default" directories will cause trouble tho
<Chipzz> GnuKemist: 1) this is a channel where mostly newbies are asking for help 2) tar xzf ; ./configure ; make ; make install is the fastest way to fuck up your box. Do you really want to teach newbies how to fuck up their boxes instead of doing it the right way?
<GnuKemist> heze, good point...  I'm still getting the hang of the debian way
<sabmoc> pipeline, yeah of course, but that would only have maginal success even with older unpatched systems.
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: The hackers look at most all of the code.  You don't think the 95/98 and 2000 source code isn't floating around for people to see?
<Chipzz> heze: even installing things in different prefixes will cause trouble
<GnuKemist> Chipzz, if  my intention was to fuck his box up I guess I could have told him rm -rf /
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Security through obsurity is no security at all.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: I'm sure it's alright and no real harm done.
<SeeleyUSMC> This is really starting to tick me of
<heze> tiscan, winxp SP2 source code probably isn't too widespread :P
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, thanx
<SeeleyUSMC> *off
<apokryphos> Chipzz: what GnuKemist said wouldn't have worked anyway.
<Chipzz> probably not
<sabmoc> pipeline, otherwise we would see worms ripping though unix servers like mad, and we just dont see that.
<LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, you can install and run a file integriey checker like aide in a cron and it will notify you of any changes in the core of your syste. I would only run it in the "stable" release or when Hoary is frozen.
<pipeline> sabmoc: Are you kidding?
<apokryphos> Chipzz: certainly not, since there's no Makefile in firefox tar.
<heze> tiscan, that's like someone doing a custom invisible rootkit on linux. you're pwned if you're attacked by such a cracker.
<pipeline> sabmoc: Yes, yes we do see that.
<SeeleyUSMC> I can boot the stinking live CD but the install cd just sits there after booting...WTF?
<PlasmaPain> so i can tell everyone my root pawwsword ?
<Chipzz> and "fucking up" is maybe to big a word; "screwing with the package manager which will eventually lead to a broken install" is a better choice of wording
<pipeline> sabmoc: The only reason we don't see a UNIX Code Red is that
<Tiscan> heze: Again it is like everything else, secure yourself.
<pipeline> sabmoc: There are too few identical systems
<madstop> I just installed kde, any advise about which to set as default display manager, gdm or kdm?  not sure which environment I'll be using more, gnome or kde, yet
<GnuKemist> Chipzz, definitely a better choice of words
<apokryphos> Chipzz: you are seriously over-exaggerating.
<heze> tiscan, and you believe windows can't be made secure?
<Tiscan> heze: Any os is vulnerable if you don't take percausions.
<Chipzz> apokryphos: I am most definately not
<Tiscan> heze: I never said that, I said some os are easier to secure.
<sabmoc> pipeline, is there anything you can show me to prove this?
<Chipzz> I screwed up my first linux install beyond any repair that way
<LinuxJones> pipeline, what do you mean identical systems ?
<heze> tiscan, i might not agree linux being too much easier to secure.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: yes, yes you are. What he said wouldn't have done anything at all. Terminal would have produced an error; so why the huffing and puffing?
<PlasmaPain> so whats best to secure ubuntu ?
<Chipzz> since than, package management is sacred to me ;)
<PlasmaPain> and make it haxor tight ?
<Chipzz> apokryphos: 'coz of the idea behind it
<Tiscan> heze: I would disagree, I think it is.
<pipeline> sabmoc: Look at the lists of vulnerabilities.  It's that simple.  It DOES happen, and it CAN happen to you.  Be careful.  Take heed of best practices.  Don't expose Linux systems directly to the internet.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: irrelevant. No harm done at all; you might as well start yelling at any random person in this irc.
<Chipzz> apokryphos: './configure ; make ; make install' is a way of saying compiling stuff yourself
<Tiscan> pipeline: I agree.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: gee, thanks.
<PlasmaPain> ubuntu list of security issues is long and wide
<LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, since there are no services running by default that anybody from the outside can access you don't have to do very much except stay away from 3rd party software.
<heze> tiscan, for example on debian if you install a service, it's launched automatically with the default configuration. now how secure is that?
<Chipzz> apokryphos: the exact commands are irrelevant here
<apokryphos> Chipzz: what?
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: The point is though that they are well documented and openly auditable.
<PlasmaPain> like the nevia driver ?
<heze> tiscan, a noob might not even realize he's running all sorts of services.
<PlasmaPain> nvidia
<pipeline> PlasmaPain, heze: I strongly recommend you comment out PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.  Secondly, don't run RPC services.  Third, don't expose your machine to the open internet.  Either run behind NAT or use a firewall.
<LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, you never know muahhhhhhhahhhh
<sabmoc> pipeline, no I mean, can you show me an example a linux worm? I havent heard of one yet.
<Tiscan> heze: And how many windows uses disable all the services they don't need in windows?
<pipeline> sabmoc: A "worm" is by definition harmless.
<Chipzz> apokryphos: anyway, there are (allmost) no tarballs that contain Makefile's - Makefile's are generated from Makefile.in's by configure, so your point was moot anyway ;)
<Chipzz> if you want to start nitpicking :P
<pipeline> sabmoc: Scripted rootkits are much more common.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: nearly as moot as yours.
<PlasmaPain>  don't expose your machine to the open internet ?
<Chipzz> no, mooter ;)
<pipeline> sabmoc: They rarely propogate themselves because that's not the author's goal -- they want a slave machine for other purposes.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: the concept was right, the terminology was wrong. Now tell me which point is "mooter". Ergh.
<PlasmaPain> so i should use ubuntu scrictly ofline ?
<Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Never expose any machine to the open internet, always have a firewall between it and the net.
<GnuKemist> anywho, I wanted to know if there's anyone here from North NJ who'd be interested in joining a new MeetUp group a friend of mine started?
<heze> tiscan, on the average, windows users aren't as skillful as linux users so you can't compare. with the same amount of experience on windows as on linux, i'd say the windows dude is able to disable the unsecure services.
<Chipzz> apokryphos: same thing for my argument
<pipeline> sabmoc: There's no reason to write a "worm" because there are so much more useful things to do with a Linux server sitting on a fat pipe.
<DarthFrog> pipeline: If one need to enable remote root logins, more better would be to enable root logins without-password in sshd_config and do cryptographic authentication.
<pipeline> DarthFrog: root logins are enabled by default.  I advise that they not be.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: you're wrong; you misunderstood what firefox tarballs are like.
<Chipzz> apokryphos: I was wrong in the wording, and so were you
<PlasmaPain> so why isnt ubunto coming with a firewall to stat with if ppl are gona go online with it ?!!
<GnuKemist> we pretty muc adopted Ubuntu for all the new comers
<GnuKemist> much
<DarthFrog> pipeline: I agree.
<pipeline> PlasmaPain: Ubuntu has no services enabled by default.
<sabmoc> pipeline, ok, all rootkit attacks are by definition scripted, but what im saying is it is much more common for someone to use the scripts to gain access to a single intranet or server instead of just releasing a worm into the wild.
<heze> pipeline, root login is impossible by default on ubuntu since there's no password for root, no?
<Chipzz> apokryphos: I know very well there are binary tarballs of firefox
<pipeline> PlasmaPain: No services means no need for a firewall.
<Tiscan> heze: So a skilled windows user will have transparancy into vulernabuilities to understand them and verify they are fixed?
<LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, any Ubuntu service won't accept connections form the outside unless you manually tell it to.
<pipeline> sabmoc: That's because worms are worthless.  It's much easier, much more useful, and much more effective to use portscanners and scripts.
<DarthFrog> And if no services are enabled, there's nothing to attack>
<Chipzz> the fact that he downloaded a binary or a source tarball of firefox changes exactly SHIT about the fact that he would be messing with his package manager
<heze> tiscan, a skilled windows user will run no services open to the net, will disable activex and such m$ stuff and basically knows what executables/scripts he runs.
<DarthFrog> i.e. secure by default.
<madstop> heze, it's easy enough to create a password, though.  Couldn't a malicious script do that?
<apokryphos> Chipzz: That makes your point worse. You knew they were binary tarballs, and you exploded at a guy because what he said would produce an "error message" from the terminal
<pipeline> heze: It is impossible to secure a windows machine sufficiently to face the open internet.  Period.
<heze> madstop, the script needs root priviledges to do that
<sabmoc> pipeline, worms are useless against linux
<sabmoc> but worms are not useless
<PlasmaPain> xserver is running
<pipeline> sabmoc: No, worms are useless ON linux.  There's a difference.
<PlasmaPain> dhcpd is running
<PlasmaPain> mozila is runing
<Tiscan> heze: Agreed, so we are back at the begining.  Both can be secured, but only one lets you have visability into the code if you need/want it to verify what the issue was and how/if it was fixed.
<pipeline> sabmoc: And you are indeed a fool if you neglect that difference.
<typo> Where can I get a list of what's new in hoary?
<PlasmaPain> irc is running
<PlasmaPain> i think your full of craap
<NJal> Who knows the Ubuntu installer?
<Chipzz> apokryphos: he didn't mention if it was a binary or a source tarball
<PlasmaPain> you dont need any services runing to get compromised
<heze> tiscan, now that's a very very small part of the users that can peek into the code. but yeah for those it's better than closed source. for most it doesn't matter since they can't read C.
<apokryphos> Chipzz: but you, dear friend, in your knowledge said you knew anyway.
<PlasmaPain> you only need the programas that inter acto with the net to get compromised
<carlos> helo
<Bauhn> hey, i need a quick help.. i'm installing drivers for my usb-network card and it says: "Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]  :" is that right for ubuntu?
<sabmoc> pipeline, but even so, lets say you automate a portscanner and feed the logs into a rootkit script, what will that get you?
<PlasmaPain> carlos: get a life you idiot
<PlasmaPain> carlos: get a life you idiot
<PlasmaPain> carlos: get a life you idiot
<PlasmaPain> A
<PlasmaPain> A
<PlasmaPain> A
<PlasmaPain> A
<PlasmaPain> A
<apokryphos> PlasmaPain: stop flooding
<apokryphos> ergh
<DarthFrog> Good riddance to bad rubbish.
<heze> one can only love the throttle feature of ircd :)
* madstop signs off to play with "kubuntu" and hopes it hasn't screwed anything up...
<sabmoc> wow, whats with the surplus of morons these past two days DarthFrog ?
<Tiscan> heze: its not just the user though, you can be assured a community (such as a disto creator) can have groups that audit the code independantly of its creator/maintainer.  You can't do that in windows.
<carlos> my english is very bad, i  hope you understand
<Chipzz> apokryphos: I welcome you to point me to the line where I did so
<Tiscan> heze: And every user of Linux benifits from that.,
<Bauhn> hey, i need a quick help.. i'm installing drivers for my usb-network card and it says: "Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]  :" is that right for ubuntu?
<carlos> how for run firewire hard disk ..
<carlos> ?
<heze> tiscan, in linux/gnu environment, that's done by the community. in m$ it's done by the employers at ms
<LinuxJones> sabmoc, Ubuntu is becoming more popular, thus the number of momo's will increase accordingly :)
<Tiscan> heze: First rule of programming is you can't code review your own code.
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: There's no shortage of them, for sure.
<heze> tiscan, tell me about it :)
<sabmoc> LinuxJones, the momo's are swarming
<Chipzz> apokryphos: but you are really arguing beside the point
<DarthFrog> carlos: Sorry, I don't know.
<LinuxJones> sabmoc, that's what kick/ban is for :)
<apokryphos> Chipzz: fact of the matter is, was your ejaculation (ahem) necessary?
<GnuKemist> Bauhn, should be...
<DarthFrog> LinuxJones: But are there any ops in this channel?
<sabmoc> LinuxJones, oh good, ill just ask our channel OP to.. oh wait.. crap!
<LinuxJones> DarthFrog, yeah
<Bauhn> GnuKemist, ok, so i should just press enter there and everything is right?
<cvalstad> "
<cvalstad> guys? Can I do this without being connected to internet? "sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package
<carlos> ubuntu has firewire support ?
<Tiscan> heze: So we have MSs word that their code is secure... and we have hundreds of thousands of poeople looking at Linux code.
<GnuKemist> Bauhn, you didn't really give a lot of info on what you're doing
<LinuxJones> DarthFrog, the devs all have ops
<johnl> cvalstad: not normally.  apt will be looking out on the Internet for the repositories
<DarthFrog> LinuxJones: Oh good.
<Tiscan> heze: There is a strenth to the later model that I feel is important is all I am saying.
<DarthFrog> Can anyone help Carlos, please?
<GnuKemist> carlos, have you checked the Ubuntu wiki?
<sabmoc> LinuxJones, well I wish one of them was actually on irc or paying attention yesterday we had some real winners spamming the channel with swear words or just jibberish.
<carlos> yes <GnuKemist but not clear for me ..
<GnuKemist> CarlK_, lemme check it out
<cvalstad> john1, I want to compile the kernel on my computer cause I am going to install linux-wlan-ng for my usb wlan adapter. Do I have to do the command I stated? do you know what I need? I wont be connected in Ubuntu untill I get the ubs wlan adapter working.
<johnl> carlos: firewire has been in the mainstream kernel for a long time, so my guess would be yes.
<LinuxJones> sabmoc, just goto #ubuntu-devel and tell them, they will just opt up and kick+ban them
<heze> tiscan, you still can't deny the amount of security advisories with linux/gnu software
<heze> tiscan, maybe the linux kernel is secure, maybe not. even it has had some 2-3 local root exploits the past 6 months, no?
<johnl> cvalstad, not sure about that sorry.  I think you'll need those packages to compile a new kernel package, but they *might* already be installed.  dunno.
<heze> tiscan, so if you assume a linux user runs dist-upgrade every night, assume the windows user runs windows update every night too :>
<Tiscan> heze: Why would one deny that?  Its actually a good thing.  Issues are found, fixed, reviewed and audited.  With MS we just get a note "this is fixed".
<zenwhen> lol
<zenwhen> what did i just stumble into
* SeeleyUSMC cries out in mental frustration
<cvalstad> john1, do you know where I can find them, so I can bring them over to ubuntu with a usb stick?
<SeeleyUSMC> Why does it have to be such a pain to get wireless internet working?  Shouldn't it just be a standard?
<heze> tiscan, still, the amount of exploits isn't that different between the two OSes
<sabmoc> heze, yes, but a local root exploit is not so bad
<heze> sabmoc, well remote root exploit needs some service which we're not running :>
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It is a standard, for the most part.  But it's still early days.
<Tiscan> heze: The difference is I am placing my trust into that of a community, and if I wanted I could verify things myself.  in the MS case you are trusting a single source, and you couldn't verify anything if you wanted.
<sabmoc> heze, because if someone has local access on your computer there are at least 100 other ways they can crash the server.
<carlos> i run gscanbus and say this : couldn't get handle: No such file or directory
<carlos> This probably means that you don't have raw1394 support in the kernel or that
<carlos> you haven't loaded the raw1394 module.
<LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, complain to your card manufacturer that you want Linux support
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What chipset does your wireless card use?
<Tiscan> heze: I beg to differ, historically MS has many more issues & expliots.
<heze> sabmoc, you might get local access by remote local user compromise
<johnl> cvalstad: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Atheros AR5212
<heze> tiscan, lets stick to the day :)
<johnl> cvalstad: bit tricky to find them all by hand, but I guess you have no choice
<sabmoc> heze remote local user?
<SeeleyUSMC> Its supposed to work "out of the box"
<heze> tiscan, i agree windows sucked in the 90's :>
<sabmoc> heze I dont follow that logic
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: And what kernel are you running?  The atheros is supported in Ubuntu, I use it myself.
<heze> sabmoc, your favourite user running a vulnerable php script
<heze> remotelly exploitable vulnerability that grants the exploiter local user priviledges
<carlos> how to get raw1394 support in the kernel?
<geneo93>   sucks even more now
<sabmoc> heze, yes but if the hacker is a local user, then as I said, you are already screwed
<johnl> who cares if linux is more secure than windows.  windows is no ISO milestone of security.
<heze> sabmoc, you should not be.
<johnl> "my OS is 7.8 microsoft windows 98s more secure than yours"
<heze> that's the whole point in linux/gnu when compared to windows where the user is most of the time the administrator
<LinuxJones> carlos, you need to use modprobe to load the module
<DarthFrog> johnl:  We don't compare ourselves to Windows.  We are trying to make the best OS possible.
<Tiscan> heze: Yet XP SP2 is vulnerable to the land attack from the 90s
<ephemeral> is Ubuntu moving to KDE by default?
<Tiscan> heze: lol
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I don't know.  Whatever one is used for the live cd version of Hoary.  I tried to boot my install cd for hoary that i just downloaded thismorning, but the cd doesn't boot up properly.  I get a black screen with a white bar...
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: So now I'm downloading the install version of Warty
<LinuxJones> carlos, sudo modprobe raw1394
<johnl> DarthFrog, sounds like heze and sabmoc are confused
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You either have a bad burn or a bad download.
<carlos> <LinuxJones oks
<sabmoc> johnl, cut me some slack I just woke up
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Should I use Warty since its more stable anyway?
<johnl> samiam, heh :)
<heze> tiscan, got a link to that land vulnerability? i read it too the other day can't recall the seriousness.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your call.  Most of us are using Hoary.  It's very good.
<madstop> ok, I'm now running kubuntu.  It's gorgeous!  (except for horrible fonts)  They did a great job, it looks like so far.
<Tiscan> heze: One moment
<apokryphos> madstop: glad it's working well :)
<SeeleyUSMC> Guess I'll retry Hoary
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  have him check the md5sum
<samiam> hey all
<apokryphos> madstop: you'll wanna turn on anti-aliasing fonts
<stianh> eek... my synaptic is sort of broken
<LinuxJones> madstop, maybe you have to enable ant-aliasing ?
<sabmoc> johnl, care to cure my confusion?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Once you get Ubuntu installed, enable universe and mulitverse as repositories and install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel.  That'll give you the madwifi driver for your Atheros card.  The interface will be called ath0 and will be configurable using the Ubuntu network tooll.
<ignus> can anyone tell me what sound system ubuntu uses?
<Tiscan> heze: http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-03-06
<ephemeral> is Ubuntu moving to KDE by default?
<sabmoc> ephemeral, no
<DarthFrog> ignus: ALSA
<johnl> sabmoc:  too many threads to follow.  some people seemed to be battling Linux security vs. Windows security.  I didn't see the point.
<stianh> I select a a package (nautilus) to upgrade, and then I get a list of other things that will be upgraded, and it crashes. And when I use apt-get upgrade nautilus, it wants to install /upgrade over 300MB of stuff.. :/
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: The problem here is that my only connection to the net is wireless...
<DarthFrog> Ephemeral: Unfortunately,no
<madstop> heh heh, apokryphos -- too early for me to tell how it works, but it's the first kde desktop that I haven't found horribly cutesly and annoying looking!  Ah yes, anti-aliasing. thanks.
<ignus> DarthFrog, always alsa??
<ephemeral> sabmoc: why on earth does Hoary only come with KDE them?
<carlos> <LinuxJones i have done modprobe raw1294 and anything change ..gscanbus say the same
<Tiscan> heze: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/392354
<heze> ahh that one
<DarthFrog> ignus: Well, I suppose you could put OSS on if you were determined. :-)
<heze> tiscan, that's bad i gotta admit :P
<apokryphos> madstop: cool :). Any other questions you can ask in #kubuntu ;)
<heze> tiscan, fortunately a sane firewall doesn't allow that.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Did you check the md5sum of your Hoary ISO download?
<carlos> its posible not raw1394 in kernel ?
<sabmoc> johnl, no i wasnt paying attention to that thread, I was just saying that local root exploits are bad but not so bad, cause if a hacker has local access to a machine your screwed already.
<LinuxJones> carlos, modprobe -l | grep 1394 will give you a few different modules to choose from
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I dont even know what you are talking about
<ephemeral> sabmoc: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso   this came with KDE only... no GNOME
<Tiscan> heze: Correct, but this vulerability should simply not exist.  It has already been fixed once.
<johnl> sabmoc, as sorry.  I think it's Tiscan now.  I should keep my nose out.
<LinuxJones> bbiab
<madstop> heh heh, maybe this channel should be changed to "gnubuntu", apokryphos ... ;-)
<ignus> DarthFrog, im trying to get xmms and vlc working but there is no sound. gnome makes its noises so the kernel is set up right. any idea what might be wrong?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Md5sum is a checksum to verify that you downloaded a good ISO.
<sabmoc> johnl yeah shup you face d00d
<heze> tiscan, yup, can't say they do their stuff that fast at m$.
<apokryphos> madstop: :P
<sabmoc> johnl, ;)
<johnl> :)
<ephemeral> sabmoc: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso   this came with KDE only... no GNOME  << can someone explain the logic?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: How would I do that in windows?
<DarthFrog> ignus: Not off the top of my head, sorry.  Check the mixer?
<madstop> just wish I could get the menu by using the "windows logo" key, though, like I used to...
<sabmoc> ephemeral, hmm weird, i dont know what to say about that
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I've spent a lot of effort avoiding learning how to do things in Windows. :-)
<Tiscan> heze: Speed isn't what I am pointing out, its that no one other then MS could audit the code to catch this.
<SeeleyUSMC> heh
<apokryphos> madstop: you can :)
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Google is.
<carlos> Linux Jones this is the result :
<carlos>  modprobe -l | grep 1394
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, lol
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/pcilynx.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ohci1394.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ieee1394.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/eth1394.ko
<sabmoc> gah!!!
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/dv1394.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/cmp.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/amdtp.ko
<carlos> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/video1394.ko
<sabmoc> my freaking eyes!!
<carlos> sorry
<ignus> DarthFrog, yeah the mixer is set fine.. keeps telling me it cant find /dev/dsp, which is there.. any ideas?
<Tiscan> Anyway, regardless.  Nothing is secure unless you make it so.  I have to be off to work now. :)
<sabmoc> carlos, dont ever do that again
<DarthFrog> carlos: Please use pastebin.com for that kind of stuff.
<sabmoc> carlos, go to channel #flood to do stuff like that if you want to show someone some output
<heze> tiscan, why do you see it necessary for the audit party not be in the payrolls of microsoft? they do audit their code, everyone does. this land thingie is just an example of a failed audit since the auditters are humas too, after all.
<Fl-i-nT> hi
<carlos> sorry sorry
<madstop> apokryphos, don't know how, used to be kde default (when I installed from universe before or whatever, pre-kubuntu warty) Never mind, I'll google it -- er koogle it...
<DarthFrog> carlos: Don't worry about it. :-)  It happens.
<sabmoc> but use #flood next time
<apokryphos> madstop: heh. If you hold on for a sec, I'll find the exact command to put as a shortcut.
<apokryphos> madstop: capabilities of DCOP are unlimited :)
<carlos> oks
<apokryphos> madstop: You don't even need DCOP for this one :)
<Fl-i-nT> Netwrok Question: why is it when i try to print it says something along the lines of NT_ERROR_PRINT
<stianh> Is it possible to get a list of url's for the various files that will be downloaded when perfoing an apt-get command? (like upgrade)
<stianh> or at least a list of complete filenames?
<DarthFrog> ignus: Are you logged in as the sudo-enabled user?
<TQuid> Hola.
<spiral> hi back
<apokryphos> madstop: kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts
<TQuid> Does ubuntu's gnome have some standard way of managing fonts?  I got a bit spoiled with Fedora/KDE's graphical font manager.
<madstop> thank you thank you apokryphos !  great people in ubuntu land
<TQuid> (Failing that, figuring out how to get the hints out of a ttf file would be adequate.)
<sabmoc> heze even though they audit code, the whole windows system was based on unsound security principals because when it was first created security was not a major issue, and they never adapted.
<apokryphos> madstop: then scroll down to Panel, and change the shortcut for Popup Launch menu.
<nemo_> can anyone tell me how to get mount to deal with Apple_HFS partitions?
<sig> TQuid: http://ubuntuguide.org/
<DarthFrog> TQuid: Don't know about Gnome, but KDE does.
<meepmeep> hi :)
<sabmoc> hello
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, I'm helping out Bauhn and he wants to compile usb wireless support...  can we only install the headers instead of compiling a new kernel?
<JRlinux> Just burned Kubuntu this morning and now booting it live...
<DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Yes.
<GnuKemist> DarthFrog, thanx
<TQuid> sig:  d'oh!  You caught me, I came here before googling.  I am shamed.
<ignus> DarthFrog, yeah man i am.
<meepmeep> if i try to update/upgrade my warty into hoary, all things will be automatically reconfigure ? (like X.org etc.)
<kapputu> how much diskspace does Ubuntu occupy?
<heze> sabmoc, i'm just counting the amount of exploits on windows. the situation is so much better than the 98 ages.
<DarthFrog> ignus: What sound app are you using?
<TQuid> nemo_, I expect you'd need to add the kernel module for that.
<JRlinux> Konversation is a new IRC client to me...
<ignus> how do u mean app?
<kapputu> it seems to be taking up like 5Gig
<ignus> DarthFrog, im trying to get vlc working if thats what you mean
<nemo_> TQuid, ah.. can the syntaptic package manager do that?
<apokryphos> madstop: I see that Win-key is now used as an alternate to Ctrl/Alt in KDE. That means that you'll have to make the shortcut like Win+<somekey> I think. :|
<madstop> apokryphos, the panel popup launch won't let me set just the win logo key
<madstop> heh heh,
<TQuid> nemo_:  hm, no, I don't think so.  Let me check something here.
<DarthFrog> ignus: What type of files?  You need gstreamer0.8-mad installed to play MP3s.
<sabmoc> heze depends how you loot at it, personally I think its getting worse because worms and viruses are becoming more sophisticated and many people still run 98 or ME
<TQuid> kapputu:  I'm taking up 2 G for /usr, about 1 G for /var, and a hundred meg for / and /boot together.
<ignus> its an avi
<jalal_ubuntu> hi all
<apokryphos> madstop: it's kind of annoying, but I can see why they would do that.
<madstop> thanks for trying apok! I'll deal!
<jalal_ubuntu> how to change the splash screen  ?
<kapputu> TQuid: I have been updating a lot
<kapputu> any idea on how to free up space?
<heze> sabmoc, while the linux rootkits aren't?
<geneo93> madstop:  my windows key brings up menu
<GnuKemist> DarthFrog, I'm used to always compiling the kernel from scratch on Gentoo...  so by installing the headers I can compile other 3rd party apps (e.g. ndiswrapper) w/o messing with the kernel?
<apokryphos> geneo93: on kde?
<ignus> DarthFrog, if i install that do you think if will fix it?
<thenuke> kapputu: apt-get autoclean might help a bit
<geneo93> yes
<sabmoc> heze thats a whole different ball game
<madstop> geneo93, it used to for me too, pre-kubuntu
<DarthFrog> GnuKemist: ndiswrapper is already available in Ubuntu.  But, yes.
<apokryphos> geneo93: you using 3.4?
<heze> sabmoc, oh k. why? :)
<DarthFrog> ignus: Don't know.
<geneo93> yes
<TQuid> kapputu:  not offhand, sorry--sounds like you're pretty cramped!
<lawman> hi.  just installed ubuntu 5.04 on laptop.  screen goes black on after rebooting.  pressed ctl-alt-f2 to get to console and can login no problem.  at prompt now, and don't know how to get X started from here.  any idea what to do.  be gentle i'm a complete newbie.  (ps.  all other distro's work on this laptop fine)
<TQuid> nemo_, looks like there's an hfs kernel module in the default kernel.
<apokryphos> geneo93: last question: a recent version (when, roughly)?
<GnuKemist> DarthFrog, so on a new install would I have to get the headers and then apt-get ndiswrapper?  sorry for repeating the same question but want to make it clear to myself
<TQuid> Have you tried just "mount -t hfs blah blahblah"?
<madstop> I'm really liking these kde menus and settings dialogs so far.
<geneo93> 3 days ago
<DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Yes.  Ndiswrapper might be installed by default, though.
<nemo_> TQuid, this is hfs+ though.. yeah, I can mount it but you get the really, really empty disk with a readme explaining I need a new MacOS :-/
<sabmoc> heze, it just is, i dont want to get into it again.
<GnuKemist> DarthFrog, cool beans... definitely easier than rolling up your sleeves and doing all the compilation
<madstop> beats the hell out of gconfig, at least for newbies
<lawman> hi.  just installed ubuntu 5.04 on laptop.  screen goes black on after rebooting.  pressed ctl-alt-f2 to get to console and can login no problem.  at prompt now, and don't know how to get X started from here.  any idea what to do.  be gentle i'm a complete newbie.  (ps.  all other distro's work on this laptop fine)
<DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Agreed! :-)
<sabmoc> madstop, some people like kde, some like gnome. competition on the desktop is a good thing.
<geneo93> lawman:  try startx
<madstop> apok, one fly in the ointment for me probably-- I'll bet that kicker won't work as well in gnome for me as it used to.  That's the main reason I wanted kde, just to use kicker and kicker applets as an extra "panel" in gnome.
<lawman> says server is already active for display 0.
<lawman> xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
<madstop> I think the new kde pop-ups and various other stuff will not play happy with gnome anymore.  Gonna try anyway
<lawman> xinit: unable to connect to X server
<DarthFrog> lawman: Press ALT-F7
<lawman> pressed.  screen goes black again
<heze> lawman, "sudo killall gdm" first if you wanna manually startx
<DarthFrog> lawman: Reboot.
<madstop> ubuntuizing kde like this tips the balance in kde's favor for me, apokryphos ; too many annoyances with nautilus and the gnome panels
<lawman> ok.  will do and will get back to you in a while.
<nemo_> TQuid, libhfsp0 is installed according to the package manager, I'll try looking around a bit more later
<apokryphos> madstop: Well, konqueror does happen to be one of my very favourite progs of all time. :)
<DarthFrog> madstop: Having KDE available for Ubuntu was the thing that did it for me, too.
<nemo_> TQuid, thanks for the pointer anyway :-)
<heze> lawman, wait a tic?
<TQuid> nemo_, ah, OK, not familiar with hfs+, sorry.
<madstop> really beautiful design choices, from what I see so far.
<heze> lawman, did you try to shuffle the signal output thingie on your laptop, just to make sure the signal isn't only going out on your external vga connector?
<nemo_> TQuid, no matter, thanks for trying :-)
<SmokingFire> whats the mp3 package called again?
<GnuKemist> heze, good point
<GnuKemist> heze, start simple  ;)
<sabmoc> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
<TQuid> Hm, nautilus had built-in font mgt. on kde/fedora, but I'm not seeing the same tools here.
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell SmokingFire uburestricted
<Pyre> SmokingFire: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<heze> gnukemist, just came to me since i get my gdm screen on the "wrong" monitor on my 2 adapter setup..
<codyman> how do you access the restricted formats apt depositories for amd64 kubuntu?
<apokryphos> codyman: join #kubuntu
<SmokingFire> apokryphos, Pyre thanks
<SmokingFire> pyre is a bot?
<GnuKemist> heze, I remember I spent a few hours once helping someone get their sound working only to find out the guy had muted it by mistake
<madstop> heh, kubuntu even managed to make the workspace switcher look cool; always hated the way it looked in kde before
<apokryphos> madstop: there have been some great GUI advances in 3.4, yup.
<heze> gnukemist, well i often find myself going thru everything but the network cables when some host doesn't respond :P
<GnuKemist> guys, Bauhn says he doesn't remember choosing a password for root during install
<apokryphos> SmokingFire: yes
<GnuKemist> is it possible?
<SmokingFire> ok
<madstop> (gnome's desktop switcher, or pager or whatever it's called is still better-- you can drag apps from one workspace to another, for example)
<heze> hoary install doesn't ask for a root password
<GnuKemist> hummm
<heze> there is no root password unless explicitly set with passwd
<GnuKemist> should he sudo passwd then?
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell heze ubusudo
<Pyre> heze: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<geneo93> Bauhn:  use sudo
<DarthFrog> GnuKemist: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<heze> gnukemist, yeah
<GnuKemist> thanx guys
<heze> apokryphos, nice buddy you got there :)
<xerox> How to mount ntfs volumes read-write in ubuntu?
<kosmos> to set a pw, just "sudo su" passwd
<geneo93> GnuKemist:  there is no root passwd
<apokryphos> heze: he's very... submissive. ;)
<heze> xerox, that's not trivial. the kernel driver doesn't support write-mode.
<GnuKemist> geneo93, thanks
<heze> there is no spoon :)
<xerox> heze: I tought it does.. I did it in the past.
<heze> xerox, it's very very dangerous to enable it
<xerox> heze: btw, there also is "ntfs-resize" during the installation process of ubuntu! I tought it wasn't dangerous anymore.
<xerox> I resized an ntfs volume during the installation.
<heze> xerox, oh, that sounds something new to me :)
<lawman> hi all.  installed ubuntu 5.04.  after booting, screen goes black but on with no sound.  pressed ctl-alt-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  startx.  screen goes black and off completely.  but can hear logging in music.  what to do for a complete newbie?
<xerox> Anyone knows?
<heze> lawman, the signal wasn't going out on your external connector?
<GnuKemist> lawman, heze suggested you check your laptop's output signal
<lawman> it's a laptop
<apokryphos> lawman: you might want to try reconfiguring your x
<lawman> how do i do that?
<heze> it has an external vga connector, no?
<lawman> yes
<apokryphos> lawman: hoary or warty?
<heze> dunno, on my laptop it's Fn+F5
<lawman> but i'm using built in screen
<lawman> hoary
<apokryphos> lawman: or rather, xfree or xorg
<apokryphos> lawman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. most probably
<lawman> ok.  how do i get back to console from here?
<heze> cltr+alt+backspace to kill X
<apokryphos> lawman: where are you? Irssi?
<lawman> ok. i did ctl-alt-f1
<apokryphos> yup
<lawman> found the problem guys.  let me read it to you.
<madstop> omg, these kubuntu folks read my mind! -- pardon me while I gasp in admiration-- don't worry, I'll stop in a minute...
<lawman> fatal: module via not found
<lawman> [drm]  failed to load kernel module 'via'
<lawman> (ee) via(0): [dri]  driscreeninit failed.  disabling dri.
<GnuKemist> aha
<GnuKemist> lawman, you need to install ATI stuff  (someone correct me here if I'm wrong)
<DarthFrog> madstop: What's flabbering your gasters now?
<lawman> any idea?  by the way, i'm not getting a proper prompt now at the console.
<lawman> what's ati.  how do i do that?
<GnuKemist> lawman, do you have an ATI video card?
<GnuKemist> oh
<GnuKemist> nevermind
<GnuKemist> nevermind
<lawman> not sure?  i think it's via??
<GnuKemist> you said via
<GnuKemist> I read it as ati
<GnuKemist> duhhhh
<heze> kemist, easy on your liquids there ;)
<lawman> do i panic?
<lawman> or is it easy?
<GnuKemist> heze, high octane coffee
<GnuKemist> ;)
<heze> lol
<madstop> DarthFrog, don't ask, I don't want to look like an idiot, singing a love serenade to a desktop manager!
<fbcosta> I got a strange problem on mounting a fat32 partition... I can mount the partition, and I can even see the folders on the gnome, but i can't open them, and in the terminal, i got permission denied. Could someone help?
<GnuKemist> lawman, try to reconfigure your X with Mesa for now
<lawman> ok.  how?  i'm a wintroll.
<apokryphos> lawman: same command above
<madstop> kubuntu rules.  Gnome, sorry, it was nice while it lasted...
<lawman> typed in 'mesa' but nothing happening.  i think the prompt is gone
<apokryphos> madstop: now, now. No trolling ;). Many gnome-users here.
<lawman> since i did ctl-alt-f1
<apokryphos> lawman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<GnuKemist> lawmn, you have to run that command above
<lawman> ok. will try
<GnuKemist> then configure X
<lawman> how do i get the prompt back?
<GnuKemist> choose appropriate video driver
<madstop> heh, apokryphos -- I like gnome too; just want a transporter accident to merge kde and gnome
<madstop> would have liked to have done that with some girlfriends, too
<apokryphos> lawman: you can switch bitween windows using Ctrl + Alt + F1 I think...
<apokryphos> *sessions
<lawman> ok.  doing that thanks.
<madstop> with my luck, though, I'd end up with "the fly"
<apokryphos> madstop: hehe
<fbcosta> I got a strange problem on mounting a fat32 partition... I can mount the partition, and I can even see the folders on the gnome, but i can't open them, and in the terminal, i got permission denied. Could someone help?
<Echylo> sudo?
<Echylo> ow
<GnuKemist> guys, Bauhn doesn't get more than one choice when apt-cache search kernel-headers
<lawman> ok.  says select x server driver.  it's already on via.  should i just try all the others?  then do xstart?
<GnuKemist> he got linux-kernel-headers
<GnuKemist> that's all
<GnuKemist> lawman, it's weird
<dabi> hmm after installing lm_sensors my internal speaker beeps after about every 30 min :S why?
<geneo93> GnuKemist:  does he have all the repositories enabled
<lawman> use kernel framebuffer device interface?
<AMIGrAve> is it safe to blacklist all module that are "Used by" 0 in lsmod output ?
<GnuKemist> lawman, it is possible it is not compiled as a module?
<madstop> I can report that kubuntu is running a lot faster on my amd64 hoary than gnome did
<GnuKemist> geneo93, not sure...  he said he just installed it
<apokryphos> lawman: you don't know whether you're using nvidia or ATI...?
<lawman> no?  sorry.  newbie.
<TQuid> BRB.
<madstop> fbcosta, is this a windows or a linux partition?
<lawman> i could go to the bios and check?
<apokryphos> lawman: one sec
<lawman> or if there is a command?
<Echylo> feck
<Echylo> 239 updates
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, apparently he's using via mobo
<fbcosta> windows
<apokryphos> lawman: there is; I think it's lspci
<apokryphos> GnuKemist: what's that?
<GnuKemist> the VIA chipset
<geneo93> GnuKemist:  there are some resticted ones
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, with its integrated video
<apokryphos> oh
<geneo93> he nedds them
<albeiro> hello
<lawman> cool.  did lspci = via technologies.
<GnuKemist> geneo93, so you think he should edit his apt.list?
<apokryphos> lawman: better leave it on what it's on, then.
<lawman> so how do get to see the x screen?
<warty> &ljh
<lawman> it's always black
<GnuKemist> lawmn post the error message again?
<apokryphos> lawman: have you reconfigured it?
<albeiro> do you guys know how could i get cisco aironet working with linux ? which kernel options should i check on ?
<warty> hi, cpould someborz read this message_
<albeiro> with linux on ppc
<codyman> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu... i'm trying to compile a program from source... what c compiler package(s) do i need
<lawman> ok. one sec
<lawman> hi all.  installed ubuntu 5.04.  after booting, screen goes black but on with no sound.  pressed ctl-alt-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  startx.  screen goes black and off completely.  but can hear logging in music.  what to do for a complete newbie?
<geneo93> well synaptic just tick all the repsitories
<apokryphos> codyman: build-essential
<GnuKemist> geneo93, gotcha
<codyman> gracias
<GnuKemist> lawman, the error related to not being able to load something?
<heze> 18:58:03 < lawman> fatal: module via not found
<apokryphos> lawman: did you say you did the whole reconfiguration?
<GnuKemist> that one
<snk00sj> when i do "mount" i get listed 2 autofs mounts of crashed autofs sessions
<heze> try sudo modprobe via ? :)
<lawman> ???
<snk00sj> can anyone help me to get these out ?
<lawman> shall i tell you the error again
<lawman> fatal: module via not found
<GnuKemist> lawman, it sounds like the module (via-something) wasn't compiled as module?
<GnuKemist> hang on
<codyman> ok now i'm trying to compile a program and it says; "can't find x includes"
<GnuKemist> I have an old kernel config with the module name
<snk00sj_> hi
<albeiro> hm, any ppc based livecd with ubuntu in the wild ?
<apokryphos> codyman: not sure, but most probably you need x dev files
<codyman> apokryphos: ok thanks
* madstop is gone to see if he can break gnome by running kubuntuized kde apps in it...
<Echylo> is there a tank wars / scorched earth game for linux?
<DarthFrog> lawman: That the X configuration didn't work upon a fresh install is possibly a bug.  Please report it.
<codyman> apokryphos: what dev file would that be?
<kent> madstop,  why should that break gnome?
<lawman> oh.  so no current workaround?
<GnuKemist> lawman, hang on
<snk00sj> can anyone please help me with my problem ? or at least tell me you don't know ?
<snk00sj> i have been asking the same question the whole afternoon now
<lawman> all other distros work fine.  ok kemist.  i've just rebooted and will wait for you to show your magic.
<DarthFrog> lawman: Don't know.
<geneo93> lawman:  thats live cd or install
<kent> snk00sj,  dont ask to ask, just ask.
<lawman> install dvd
<apokryphos> codyman: uno momento
<snk00sj> i did several times kent, everyone is busy
<DarthFrog> lawman: If you still have another distro installed, you could try coping the config file from that install into Ubuntu.
* SeeleyUSMC is off to get some food and do the laundry
<kent> snk00sj, i not busy, but im not sure i can help you.. but go ahead and ask.
<madstop> kent, because I'm an idiot, and I assume breakage when I don't immediately get what I want! ;-)
<snk00sj> i just need some help getting my windows partitions mounted, i am using as much of google as i can, but doesn't advance
<madstop> 'bye for now
<lawman> old distro gone now.  don't even know what a config file is??
<apokryphos> codyman: x-dev :)
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  but that wont give him the module
<kent> snk00sj, have you looked at the information that is on the ubuntu wiki? It has help on mounting the ntfs-partition.
<codyman> apokryphos: thanks
<DarthFrog> snk00sj:  As root: "mount /dev/(windows partition) (mount point)
<apokryphos> codyman: whoops, don't think that's it.
<codyman> o
<apokryphos> codyman: libx11-dev
<kent> DarthFrog, that wont work for ntfs-drives.
<lawman> ok.  rebooted.  alt-ctl-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  waiting on what do next.
<apokryphos> codyman: well, one of them. :D
<heze> kent, it will for read only
<geneo93> lawman:  can you do a apt-get update
<GnuKemist> lawman, do lsmod |grep via
<lawman> not connected to internet
<DarthFrog> geneo93: if there's a module missing, then it's definitley a bug.
<codyman> apok: x11-dev is installing
<lawman> does it matter?
<snk00sj> i'll check it out right now
<GnuKemist> lawman, not at the moment
<snk00sj> manually i can mount the partition, thats the strange thing
<lawman> ok.  did lsmod ... now what?
<DarthFrog> kent: Sure it will.  Has worked for me many times in the past.  He might need to use the " -t nfts" switch.
<snk00sj> if u use autofs, it doesn't work
<GnuKemist> did you grep via?
<GnuKemist> lawman, did you get any output
<lawman> i got a list of stuff on screen
<DarthFrog> snk00sj: Is it in /etc/fstab?
<snk00sj> no its in /etc/auto.vol
<GnuKemist> lawman, can u tell me what?
<snk00sj> i added a line in /etc/auto.master
<lawman> ok. long list, but will start
<codyman> apokryphos: ok now see if you can get this one... "checking for libz: not found"
<lawman> via_rhine 21508 0
<snk00sj> but i think in some previous attempts i crashed autofs, and now there are some pid's running that i cannot close
<DarthFrog> snk00sj: If you want it mounted on boot, put it in /etc/fstab.
<kent> DarthFrog, snk00sj   there is information on the wiki on how to mount an ntfs  automaticly with /etc/fstab.  Read that, it should work great.
<lawman> mii 4992 1 via_rhine
<stianh> I just figured out how to get the url's for the files which will be downloaded and installed when I do apt-get dist-upgrade. The plan is to go to a friend who has broadband and download the files there and burn them to a cd. But where can I place them so that apt finds them when I'm going to do the install?
<GnuKemist> lawman, k
<snk00sj> kent, i am doing that right now :)
<lawman> then it's got some snd... and gmaeport listings, then.
<lawman> i2c_viapro 7500 0
<snk00sj> but because i was working on it whole afternoon, i really want to know howto kill these pid's
<tombs> hi ppl
<lawman> i2c_core 22416 1 i2c_viapro
<DarthFrog> stianh: /var/cache/apt/archives
<lawman> via_ircc 30356 0
<stianh> DarthFrog, thanks :)
<lawman> irda 192704 1 via_ircc
<lawman> via_agp 9408 1
<lawman> agpgart 33704 1 via_agp
<GnuKemist> lawman,  do the x reconfiguration and this time really look at the video driver options
<lawman> via82cxxx 13852 1
<lawman> ide_core ..... smoe stuff.
<madstop> cool, kicker opens in gnome with only one error message, unlike before, where I got a whole screen... excellent
<apokryphos> codyman: I can't say that I know off the top of my head; Google'll probably have the answer.
<lawman> ok, will do the x reconfig again. one sec
<apokryphos> codyman: though, could you check if you have zlib1g and zlib1g-dev?
<lawman> shall i select via?
<heze> gnukemist, he could try to manually edit xorg.conf and try some other driver, say vesa?
<lawman> or vesa
<lawman> or vga
<heze> i'm a bit busy to walk thru editing the file
<GnuKemist> heze, yes
<heze> lawman, try vesa
<lawman> ok
<GnuKemist> heze, vesa will definitely give him X
<madstop> man, this kde stuff is fast, even running within gnome!
<heze> gnukemist, umm yeah well worth checking :>
<lawman> now.  asked for identifier for video card.  already filled in via ... press ok?
<codyman> apokryphos: ahh once again.. didn't have the dev version ;-)
<apokryphos> :)
<GnuKemist> lawman, nope
<lawman> what shall i put in identifier string?
<gratefulfrog> anyone manage to get cinelerra to work on Hoary 64 bit?
<lawman> vesa?
<LinuxJones> lawman, you can put in anything
<GnuKemist> lawman, lemme see how to manually configure and update xorg.conf under Debian
<lawman> ok, typed vesa.
<BobaFett> Guys... How can I make a launcher that points to a folder?
<lawman> now asking for bus identifier?
<apokryphos> GnuKemist: you just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<lawman> shall i exit and just try to edit?
<LinuxJones> lawman, you have an agp card ?
<lawman> via card
<arek> BobaFett: ln -s source target
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, but don't you have to run something else afterwards?
<GnuKemist> or is it like xfree?
<lawman> now asking for bus identifier?
<apokryphos> GnuKemist: nope; just restart x.
<BobaFett> arek: ln -s source target via terminal? and being 'source' the place I wanna place the launcher?
<lawman> how do i kill config program without answering any more questions?
<GnuKemist> ctrl + c
<geneo93> LinuxJones:  its a laptop
<LinuxJones> lawman, it's probably PCI:1:0:0
<LinuxJones> ohhhh
<lawman> ctrl-c pressed.  nothing happens.  pressed ok on bus id.
<arek> BobaFett: its just normal symbolic link read the manual
<lawman> now asking for memory of video card?
<LinuxJones> lawman,  open another terminal ctrl+alt+F
<lawman> ok
<BobaFett> ah...heard of 'em, never actually had to use 'em :)
<lawman> pressing ctl-alt-f3 now
<LinuxJones> lawman,  open another terminal ctrl+alt+F3
<LinuxJones> prefect
<BobaFett> thanks arek, will check :)
<lawman> logged in again
<LinuxJones> do lspci
<lawman> startx.  screen black again
<lawman> can hear login music
<will> hi how do i set the ac97clock=48000 cant remember the location!
<madstop> apokryphos, are you an ubuntu developer?
<lawman> pressed alt-ctl-backspace to kill x.  back at prompt on session f3.
<lawman> :(
<GnuKemist> LinuxJones, he has a via card
<apokryphos> madstop: not at all :P
<LinuxJones> GnuKemist, he has to put in the pci identifier bus
<LinuxJones> GnuKemist, or is that done ?
<GnuKemist> LinuxJones, thought he was already manually editing the file
<GnuKemist> LinuxJones, my bad
<lawman> ok. just pressed ok to all the defaults back at prompt now
<lawman> startx,
<LinuxJones> :)
<lawman> and seems to be working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<lawman> oh boy
<LinuxJones> lawman,  sweet
<lawman> lol
<apokryphos> woo :)
<lawman> so is that set for life now?
<GnuKemist> lawman, congrats
<GnuKemist> lawman, should be
<LinuxJones> lawman,  yes if your happy with the resolution
<lawman> oh boy
<lawman> thanks guys
<LinuxJones> ;)
<GnuKemist> woot
<lawman> resolution seems fine
<geneo93> vesa is not very fast
<lawman> everything seems to be working fine now
<apokryphos> LinuxJones: sorry, I stopped following.. what was needed in the end?
<madstop> they should bestow an honorary title of "ubuntu facilitator" on the most helpful folks on this channel, maybe send you all up for a ride on the shuttle with the Canonical guy next time, as a reward ;-)
<LinuxJones> geneo93, but it works everytime
<GnuKemist> lawman, you typed Vesa right?
<lawman> as vesa is not very fast,  what is the end solution i should seek out?
<lawman> yes.  it was vesa that got it working
<zenwhen> nvidia's drivers are great with both 2d and 3d, so if you have an nvidia card you should use those
<GnuKemist> :)
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, he jsut had to select vesa as the video driver
<geneo93> LinuxJones:  true
<heze> zenwhen, via integrated :)
<lawman> ok.  so shall i stick with vesa.  or can i get a faster display doing something else?
<GnuKemist> lawman, still intrigued why via didn't work for you
<apokryphos> LinuxJones: oh, vesa. I thought he was using via or something?
<GnuKemist> lawman, my laptop has via
<lawman> is there some kind of log file i can send to someone?
<GnuKemist> lawman, and I have it running
<lawman> or some forum?
<heze> apokryphos, the via driver didn't work for him, vesa works for most of the cases :)
<snk00sj> heh, i got it running, i can only list it with root user though
<snk00sj> the wiki sais something about making a group, and giving the read permission to that group
<apokryphos> heze: generic-ish. Cool.
<LinuxJones> I don't know why the devs just don't make vesa the standard it would solve alot of initial problems for new users :)
<lawman> ok guys thanks a lot
<apokryphos> LinuxJones: worked fine here too; just changed it to nvidia for acceleration etc.
<lawman> shall i stick with vesa forever, or try something faster later?
<snk00sj> how can i list all the groups with their corresponding gid on linux ?
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah
<geneo93> lawman:  dont forget updates
<lawman> ok.
<lawman> will stick to what i have for now
<heze> lawman, if you're satisfied with it, stick to it. if not, try to get via driver working.
<optika> snk00sj: cat /etc/group
<snk00sj> ty
<lawman> well it's better than black. so i'm happy for now.
<lawman> thanks again ppl
<lawman> bye
<LinuxJones> lawman, that's really the hardest part of installing Linux in general
<heze> lawman, but unfortunately getting it working might not be trivial
* madstop is kissing gnome wife goodbye, heading over to hoary mistress
<GnuKemist> bye
<heze> cya
<dabi> is it possible to have gnome panel what shows if somebody connects to me at port 80? and see the ip's connected. i have it now in gkrellm but want it to gnome panel..
<GnuKemist> g2g... have a date with 4 loads of laundry
<GnuKemist> ttyl guys
<GnuKemist> it was fun
<apokryphos> GnuKemist: good luck with that. ;)
<LinuxJones> bye
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, hehehe... the worst part is folding
<Coily> is it just me or are there a lot of packages to be updated?
<apokryphos> Coily: it depends on the last time you did an update...
<LinuxJones> Coily, hoary is moving very fast right now gearing up for release
<LinuxJones> Coily, though it should be frozen soon
<dabi> i have 243 updates even if i install them..
<Coily> the last time was thursday, but ya just making sure i didnt break anything
<jesper_> Hi. How do i make gaim use another spellcheck. I dont want english spell check, but swedish. I installed the gspell files for sv.
<amiroff> people, how to change mouse settings to lefthanded via xorg.conf ?
<geneo93> march 30th is cut off date
<LinuxJones> amiroff, hoary ?
<LinuxJones> amiroff, gnome-mouse-properties
<amiroff> LinuxJones: I am asking this for my friend, he just got Suse 9.2 and it won't let him chnage that to lefthanded, lol
<stianh> I have a file, with 800 lines, four things on each line, divided by one empty space. I wish to delete the last three entries on each of the 800 lines. Any suggestinos on how to do it without doing it manually? Each line is different
<lawman> hi all.  thanks again for the vesa.  is there a way to import ms-outlook data into evolution or kontact?
<geneo93> LinuxJones:  has to be
<LinuxJones> amiroff, that's like KDE based so I dunno
<apokryphos> amiroff: kcontrol > peripherals > mouse
<amiroff> LinuxJones: ok, I see
<apokryphos> amiroff: or, use sax2 -- I think that's what it's called.
<amiroff> apokryphos: yes, it's there but grayed out (disabled) :)
<apokryphos> amiroff: but this is the #ubuntu channel ;-)
<amiroff> apokryphos: or maybe yast
<apokryphos> yeah
<amiroff> apokryphos: yeah, ubuntu rules
<LinuxJones> amiroff, maybe you need to select the correct mouse in sax2 or whatever it is
<lawman> hi all.  thanks again for the vesa.  is there a way to import ms-outlook data into evolution or kontact?
<amiroff> LinuxJones: well, it's my friend, he's on windows right now and I wanted to help, suse irc channel sucks hard
<LinuxJones> lawman, there is in evolution I think under import maybe ?
<LinuxJones> amiroff, google for it I'm sure you'll get a hit
<lawman> doesn't seem to do ms-outlook files.
<M_Fatih> hi all
<M_Fatih> where is my cursor files, in gentoo, it was /usr/share/cursors, & what name is redhat-artwork's package..
<LinuxJones> lawman, select single file
<LinuxJones> oh he left :(
<HiddenWolf> M_fatih: this is not a redhat support channel
<LinuxJones> M_Fatih, redhat-artwork
<M_Fatih> HiddenWolf, i don't want to redhat support, i need redhat-ARTWORK's name..
<M_Fatih> LinuxJones, thnx :)
<amiroff> LinuxJones: want some laugh? http://slforums.typo3-factory.net/lofiversion/index.php/t2291.html I cannot believe it!
<M_Fatih> how can i change my X cursors?
<vaijr2002> anyone know where to get this?   bzlib devel package
<klo> hi
<vaijr2002> guess i need the tar.gz. dont know how to install rpm's in ubuntu yet
<odie5533> How does one start xine-ui after it has been installed? An icon hasn't appeard and the command 'xine-ui' is not found
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Use synaptic and search for the package.
<Chipzz> vaijr2002: you don't install .rpm's in ubuntu, you install .debs
<ghita> hello
<vaijr2002> did cant find it
<vaijr2002> ok
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Just use "xine" as the command.
<Chipzz> vaijr2002: you probably meant libbz2-dev
<LinuxJones> odie5533, alt+F2 then start typing
<vaijr2002> cant find it in synaptic
<klo> i don t know where i am
<Jesterace> M_Fatih, you looking for bluecurve?
<odie5533> ah, thankyou DarthFrog
<Chipzz> (wild guess)
<ghita> i want to ask only this:Does anybody have problems with the icon themes?
<M_Fatih> Jesterace, yes
<vaijr2002> nop chipzz program i am installing says i need bzlib devel
<LinuxJones> odie5533, it will automagically complete for you
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Do you have universe and multiverse repostitories enabled?
<Jesterace> M_Fatih, i'm using the bluecurve metacity theme in ubuntu
<vaijr2002> dont think so
<geneo93> vaijr2002:  do you have all the repositories enabled
<Chipzz> vaijr2002: what is the exact error message
<vaijr2002> how do i do that
<Jesterace> I had to download it then extract the packages
<nirvana> hey everyone, I am new to ubuntu
<jalal_ubuntu> how to install mplayer in ubuntu ?
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: use Synaptic.
<vaijr2002> error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package
<zenrox> jalal_ubuntu, got to compile it your self
<M_Fatih> Jesterace, what package do you installed?
<vaijr2002> is synaptic the regular install/remove programs thing
<nirvana> anyone know how I can get SMB installed?
<Chipzz> vaijr2002: you still need libbz2-dev imho
<Jesterace> M_Fatih, it wasn't a package that i can remember
<Chipzz> s/imho/imnsvho
<vaijr2002> ok one sec brb
<Chipzz> vaijr2002: try libbz2-dev
<M_Fatih> Jesterace, hmm. ok..
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Under Settings/Repositories
<ghita> icon problems anyone?
<odie5533> Hmm... how do I kill a program when the [X]  doesn't work?
<LinuxJones> nirvana, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
<Jesterace> i wound up searching google for it
<nirvana> thanks
<el_cristiano> http://nanocrew.net/img/vlc-wmv3.jpg  <------ how do i get such a good looking console? (im interested in the font and the readability of it)
<vaijr2002> ok thanks
<vaijr2002> brb
<DarthFrog> odie5533: CLT-ALT-Esc, then click on the window to be killed.
<jalal_ubuntu> zenrox, ok thx
* apokryphos is feeling what it's like to have a modem again. =)
<apokryphos> *dial-up
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, :(
<odie5533> It isn't doing anything
<vaijr2002> if i am doing ./configure on a lib file, do i need to do make and make install?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Did the cursor turn into a skull & crossbones?
<apokryphos> LinuxJones: temporarily, of course ;). Link above loads, erm, slowly. :)
<ghita> just upgraded to hoary and my icon theme doesen't work anymore.Please help!
<odie5533> no, it didnt
<odie5533> it selects the whole screen
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah I am waiting for it too :)
<Chipzz> vaijr2002: what are you trying to install anyway?
<odie5533> then the bars at the top and bottom
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Press and hold the Control, Alt and Esc. keys.
<odie5533> I did
<odie5533> All together
<SeeleyUSMC> HAHAHA!  I'm so stupid!  I downloaded the 64bit version for the install...maybe thats why it wouldn't boot right! lol!
<odie5533> in order too, lol
<vaijr2002> valknut direct connect client
<PhxGuy> Cann Anyone Help me with My Ubuntu Installation???? Computer Hangs @ 'Starting Hotplug SubSystem"
<vaijr2002> having all kinds of probs installing verlihub , hub program
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Well that just might have something to do with your problems. :-)
<vaijr2002> mysql probs
<odie5533> Is there a way to kill it from the terminal?
<LinuxJones> el_cristiano, it looks like bitstrea-vera-sans
<LinuxJones> el_cristiano, *bitstream
<PhxGuy> Anyone???
<teleyinex> hi
<teleyinex> im a noob in this distribution
<teleyinex> but i came from debian
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Yes.  Use "ps auxww" to get the PID number, then "kill -15 (PID number)".
<tritium> hi, teleyinex
<vaijr2002> error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
<vaijr2002> eeek
<teleyinex> now im strugling with different things like: why my totem doesnt play mpg files?
<nic__> I've to disable acpi for booting livecd, but I don't need it anymore
<DarthFrog> odie5533: if kill -15 doesn't work, try -3 and finally -9.
<teleyinex> what its what i need?
<SmokingFire> How do I move my screen?
<geneo93> odie5533:  do a pidof (program
<nic__> though ubuntu saved that setting and add acpi=off for each kernel
<nic__> how do I reenable acpi?
<SmokingFire> The image is to much to the right.
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell Telep uburestricted
<Pyre> Telep: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<geneo93> odie5533:  thel kill that number
<SeeleyUSMC> Well then...we'll see in about an hour / hour and a half if its going to work this time :)
<SmokingFire> I can use my monitor buttons but that will perhaps disrupt the settings of the other os's I have installed.
<odie5533> works, thanks
<_quinton> SmokingFire, that depends on your monitor...
<jalal_ubuntu> how to make xmms as a default mp3 player
<DarthFrog> apokryphos: Is Pyre a bot?
<_quinton> oh
<apokryphos> yes
<teleyinex> thanks
<nic__> hey
<nic__> nobody knows?
<LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, right click an mp3 file and select open with then fill in hte info
<PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
<PhxGuy> anyone care to help me out???
<odie5533> Is it better to mount extra hard drives to /media/ or /mnt/ ?
<snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100 0 0
<apokryphos> odie5533: either is fine.
<nic__> only noobs or what
<berstein> Hello all.  After upgrading from "Warty" to "Hoary Preview", OpenGL programs stopped working.  The culprit seems to be a TLS library + the NVidia drivers.  Is there a workaround for this?
<odie5533> Which is more normal to do?
<snk00sj> but i cannot list the mounted directory as non-root user
<LinuxJones> nic__, maybe people are busy
<jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, i want it to play the music when i clik on a mp3 file
<apokryphos> odie5533: on Mdk, /mnt, on Fedora /media. :S Not sure about debian.
<LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, yeah it will do it if you tell it, it will ask if you want to make it permenant with a clickbox
<SeeleyUSMC> What is KUbuntu?
<Riddell> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk
<Gandalfar> kde ubuntu
<jalal_ubuntu> Linuxok thx
<SeeleyUSMC> ahh
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's KDE on Ubuntu.  The way Ubuntu should be. :-)
<klo> this is my first time here i don t even know hod do i arrived herehello to everybody
<SeeleyUSMC> that sounds nice
<PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
<emacsen> I don't seem to be able to play flac files with xmms
<DarthFrog> Hello klo, welcome
<SeeleyUSMC> I liked the way kde looked when i tried installing suse and mandrake
<Dillweed> hello all I was wondering if any can help me with my nvidia drivers.
<jalal_ubuntu> Linux no he don't ask me
<klo> hi darthFrog thanx
<teleyinex> if i install totem-xine, totem will eliminate totem-gstreamer, is this normal?
<tritium> Dillweed, what's the trouble?
<Dillweed> I am dual booting with gentoo and have the same nvidia drivers installed on both systems and they both work.  However, the gentoo system get 2000 FPS better than ubuntu
<snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100,umask=0007 0 0 but i can only list the dir as root, wha is wrong ?
<munki> libpng3 ? -where do I find that? can only find libpng3-dev and Cedega requeres it
<M_Fatih> what plugin must i install for totem's wmf support?. or how can i learn totem's all plugins infos..
<jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, no he don't ask me
<teleyinex> M_Fatih, im as you are, but what i know its to install totem-xine
<LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, your running warty right ?
<M_Fatih> hm
<DarthFrog> munki: Try installing the dev file.  It wil depend upon libpng3 and will pull it in.
<tritium> Dillweed, what's the difference in your xorg.conf files?
<munki> DarthFrog : nope
<Dillweed> there is no difference as far as the graphic drivers go
<PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
<munki> DarthFrog : it doesn't
<PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
<PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
<DarthFrog> munki: Then it's probably already installed.
<munki> DarthFrog : neither
<jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, the releaseone dunno what is it's the 4.10
<PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
<SmokingFire> should I install the k7 or i686 kernel image? (I have a barton amd athlon)
<munki> DarthFrog : Can't install Cedega because of it
<PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
<apokryphos> SmokingFire: k7
<Myrtti> is there a way of doing a netinstall from USB memory stick?
<zenwhen> K7
<DarthFrog> munki: Do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
<SmokingFire> Does the k7 image support sse and mmx?
<ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
<LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, that's Warty I don't remember exactly how to do it I have been running Hoary for 2 lon I guess :)
<PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
<LinuxJones> munki, it should be there
<munki> nope but I will try
<munki> with universe etc.
<Dillweed> PhxGuy, try removing all your usb devices and then boot
<SeeleyUSMC> Dang...what am I going to do for 1 hour and 50 minutes while I wait for the download?
<LinuxJones> munki, it is in universe you need to enable that repository (Hoary anyways dunno bout warty)
<Myrtti> Help, I'm stuck in a teletubby land and I want to do a netinstall from a USB stick!?
<jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, ok thx
<PhxGuy> ok will give that a try,,,,, I am downgrading from Hoary hoping my Bluetooth Keyboard will work.....
<LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, ;)
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Take your dog for a walk.
<munki> Darthfrog : thanks for the help, it worked :)
<DarthFrog> munki: Glad I could help.
<netmonk> when I save a file on the desktop I don't see it until next time i start the computer. is there a way I can fix that?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I would, but they don't allow pets except goldfish inside the barracks :)
<PhxGuy> Dilweed, I have a External USB Drive...... Will this cause probems..... This is the Initial Boot from when when it is done with the CD
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Go for a run? :-)
<berstein> Anyone having problems with nvidia-glx + tls?
<munki> DarthFrog : me to :))
<klo> I have a problem, when I try to accept some file during the gaim internet mess. it shut it down
<tritium> That would be unsat
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I just might do that...
<kent> netmonk, its a bug i also have seen. Just pressing ctrl+r will make it appear. (refresh..)
<codyman> i've installed ndis wrapper and installed the 64 bit versino of broadcom drivers.. now whats the next step?
<ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
<kssr> dfg
<netmonk> kent, thanks a lot. they just came back after following your advise :)
<LinuxJones> ghita, what theme were you using ?
<Myrtti> ok, I guess I have to use the old install CD
<Myrtti> bbl
<kent> netmonk, I have not had the time to fill a bugreport about that in bugzilla.ubuntu.com, perhaps you have some spare time to do it?  Its a thing that should get fixed before next ubuntu  :(
<PhxGuy> Dillweed, Any Thoughts on my previous comments???
<netmonk> kent, will do
<LBM> small question
<Dillweed> PhxGuy, sorry.  i was away.  you boot ubuntu from a usb drive?  how come?  I would try dual-booting on your computer and see if that fixes the problem.
<LBM> ubuntus (hoary) autoconfiguration of Xorg worked just fine, but when i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the resolution of my laptop widescreen wasn't detected
<Dillweed> LBM, did you make a backup of xorg.conf?
<LBM> what steps is used to generate the initial ubuntu Xorg configuration?
<LinuxJones> ghita, you can re-install it
<DarthFrog> codyman: Have a gander at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/talkback/1104103251/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
<PhxGuy> Dillweed, No I have an external USB Drive..... Ubuntu is on hdb but i still want to have access to my USB Drive files...
<LBM> Dillweed: i didn't, i thought the folks at ubuntu used the xserver-xorg package to configure it initial
<tritium> what's going on, ells?
<Dillweed> PhxGuy, boot without the drive in and then connect the drive after ubuntu boots then mount it.
<ghita> LinuxJones:i was using d3a-iconset
<PhxGuy> Dillweed, I vurrently am dualbooting
<ghita> LinuxJones:but i tryed etiquete and gnome-svg...non of them worked
<Dillweed> LBM, i'm not sure how the install script works, but I would suspect it isn't the same as updating.
<codyman> DarthFrog: ok.. this is weird... if I type in modprobe ndiswrapper it says that ndiswrapper is not found.. but if i type in ndiswrapper its found no problem..
<PhxGuy> ok well ill try that.... Dillweed any thoughts on USB Bluetooth Keyboard???
<Dillweed> LBM, you can manually add the resolution into your xorg.conf if needed
<Dillweed> PhxGuy, sorry man I don't have any experience with bluetooth
<DarthFrog> codyman: No idea, sorry.  I've never used ndiswrapper.
<PhxGuy> alright thx
<LinuxJones> ghita, I am not farmiliar with that iconset :(
* LinuxJones getting to work on dinner
<vaijr2002> configure: error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
<vaijr2002> how do i fix that?
<LBM> Dillweed: i know, just need to know the steps used to generate the initial Xorg configuration
<ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
<madstop> is color depth configurable in kde, or gnome for that matter, all I can find is settings for resolution...
<optika> ghita: hey, I had a similar problem
<Dillweed> LBM, i'm not sure how.  Why do you need to know that?
<optika> ghita: if you run gnome-theme-manager, does it pop up a dialog with something about metacity and gconf?
<vaijr2002> grr i am about to switch to mandrake, ubuntu is giving me fits lol
<teleyinex> how can i install java in an easy way
<Dillweed> LBM, to me it would be easier to change the xorg.conf manually if you are only changing the resolution
<teleyinex> im in hoary
<Dillweed> teleyinex, try this link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
<vaijr2002> so anyone know how to fix this...configure: error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
<codyman> anyone know of a .deb package for amd64 ndiswrapper?
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Don't give up so easily.  I'm switching away from Mandrake.
<vaijr2002> lol Darth
<LBM> Dillweed: if i change it manually, any future autodetection will be disabled
<LinuxJones> codyman, there isn't one installed by default ?
<LBM> Dillweed: that's not what i want, i want to fix this problem
<codyman> linuxjones:i don't know let me check
<vaijr2002> i had to reinstall yesterday did some error that mucked up my add/remove programs
<Dillweed> LBM, autodetection of what?  are you planning on changing your monitor?
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Same answer.  use synaptic to install libdc
<TDM|Linux> People can get help here right? Because I need some help.
<LBM> Dillweed: autodetection of resolutions etc.
<vaijr2002> hmm
<LBM> Dillweed: i could manually edit all my configurations, but that's not what i want
<WW> TDM|Linux: Depends what kind of help you need...
<Dillweed> LBM, if the resolutions are in the xorg.conf
<DarthFrog> TDM|Linux: Answers are $1, correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free.
<TDM|Linux> I need help with my soundcard..using Ubuntu Hoary..
<ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.When i open gnome-theme-manager all the themes have a '?' on them and no preview.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
<vaijr2002> Darth they are both installed
<LBM> Dillweed: i want to see ubuntu as an easy to use distribution i can recommend
<codyman> LinuxJones: No ndiswrapper is installed it seems
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Then set the required path.
<LinuxJones> codyman, argh that sucks
<Dillweed> LBM, i don't know about autodectetion.  but sometimes we need to change things manually.  ubuntu is probably the easiest i've used.
<vaijr2002> how do i do that
<vaijr2002> and where?
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: On the command line that you're trying to run.
<LBM> Dillweed: sometimes yes, but this one is quite important imho
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: And you'll have to find out the path yourself.
<vaijr2002> its ./configure for valknut
<Dillweed> LBM, why?
<TDM|Linux> Anyone I can talk to about getting my onboard sound card to work in Ubuntu Hoary? I'm quite the noob though so I'll need lots of help..
<LBM> maybe i should just go for #ubuntu-devel
<LBM> or file a bug
<LinuxJones> codyman, hope this helps >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3038.html
<Dillweed> LBM, you can but the developers can't always hold our hands :) no offense
<madstop> how do check color depth, and change it?
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Run "updatedb".  Then run the command "locate libdc" which will show you where it is.  Use that path to pass the switch --with-libdc=(path) to configure.  ie ./configure --with-libdc=(path)
<Dillweed> LBM, all the years i've used a linux distro sometimes it is necessary to get the hands dirty :P
<LBM> Dillweed: you are free to do your configuration manually, but i see ubuntu as a potential userfriendly distribution
<DarthFrog> Dillweed: Sometimes?  How about frequently? :-)
<LBM> Dillweed: i always did my configuration work myself, i'm sick and tired of that
<Dillweed> LBM, it already is.  you are talking about windows then.
<jasp> wow - are all the people here real?
<LBM> Dillweed: no, there are still some gliches imho
<codyman> i found a mandrake rpm i alien'ed: ndiswrapper_1.0-3_amd64.deb
<sandwitch> no i' m fake
<TDM|Linux> People go away, they just don't quit.
<codyman> should that work?
<ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.When i open gnome-theme-manager all the themes have a '?' on them and no preview.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
<DarthFrog> jasp: No. This is a channel for solipists. :-)
<Dillweed> LBM, windows has glitches also.  Every os has glitches.  the developers can't anticipate every condition their os is going to be run on.
<netmonk> ghita, i don't know. that's the first time i hear something like this, sory.
<DarthFrog> codyman: DO NOT USE THAT PACKAGE!
<codyman> ok
<codyman> DarthFrog: why is it bad to use that one?
<darkx> codyman, compile your own module from the source
<madstop> Dillweed, LBM, kubuntu is, in this humble, non-technically skilled user's opinion, very much more "new user friendly" than the gnome version
<Dillweed> LBM, ubuntu has the least amount of configuring that I've found (for a debian based distro) but it still means that often it is necessary to do it to get it working.
<jasp> :) darthfrog
<DarthFrog> codyman: ndiswrapper is a kernel module.  You must use the specific one for your kernel.
<codyman> DarthFrog: IC
<ghita> what pakages have to do with gnome themes?
<codyman> so i need to find one for the current amd64 ubuntu kernel?
<jasp> i may not be able to keep up with this place
<Quinn_Storm> I don't know if ndiswrapper will work in 64-bit mode b/c it is designed to wrap 32-bit windows drivers
<LBM> Dillweed: haha, hand your mom a copy of linspire and ubuntu and make her install
<DarthFrog> codyman: Yes.  Or install the deb-source and compile it.
<Dillweed> LBM, I don't think that any linux distro is free of configing.
<codyman> Quin: I have the 64 bit Windoze inf file for my card..
<DarthFrog> Quinn_Storm: Ooh, good point.
<LBM> Dillweed: she will not get through the ubuntu installation as easy as linspire
<Dillweed> LBM, my mom is dead
<Quinn_Storm> codyman: well it might work, not sure
<DarthFrog> codyman: you might be phux0red.
<LBM> Dillweed: sorry for that, but you get my point
<codyman> DarthFrog: phux0red?
<DarthFrog> codyman: Think streams and lack of paddles. :-)
<ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
<madstop> ubuntu install could be, and I'm very sure will be, easier eventually.
<Dillweed> LBM, yes :P  but my point is that linux is not ready for the masses to plug-n-play. it is better but still needs work
<LBM> madstop: i think kde is too bloated with configuration options, but great alternative
<LBM> Dillweed: that's my point! that's the reason i want this problem to be fixed
<DarthFrog> LBM: That's one of the points of Gnome, to remove as much config options as possible.
<Quinn_Storm> LBM: I came in late to this, what's the problem specifically you are complaining about?
<LBM> DarthFrog: yes? what's your point here?
<samberstein> GL programs segfaulting.  nvidia + tls = the problem?  any help will be appreciated...
<madstop> have you tried "kubuntu", LBM?  Yes, I can see how it might seem like configuration overkill, but I'm finding it's a lot easier to just do stuff once and forget about it with kubuntu, than with gnome
<Dillweed> LBM, file the bug then.  it should help others out.  maybe I'm of the mindset coming from other distros that if you want your linux os to work then manually fix it.
<DarthFrog> LBM: I suppose that it might be a defining difference between KDE and Gnome.
<PacoBCN> hi
<vaijr2002> anyone tried Yoper yet?
<LBM> Quinn_Storm: the initial Xorg configuration and the result of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't the same (some resolutions isn't available with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)
<PacoBCN> yoper?
<PacoBCN> what is it for?
<vaijr2002> yup another distro
<zenrox> vaijr2002, nope but i know how to prelink like yoper
<vaijr2002> looks pretty cool
<Fl-i-nT> Network: This printer is connected to a Windows box and i am trying to get it to work but its status is Ready: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR:  Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL| anybody know what is wrong?
<LBM> madstop: i did yesterday, yes
<Quinn_Storm> LBM: ah, I don't know enough about how that works to really say, obviously the deb configure scripts need to be updated
<vaijr2002> might be better than ubuntu has alot of goodies in it
<Dillweed> LBM, i would guess the configure scripts are different.
<LBM> madstop: just reinstalled my system to get rid of all kde packages (it's faster than fiddling with the removal of all libs etc.)
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: ubuntu has over 16,000 packages available in the repositories.
<vaijr2002> yup
<LBM> Quinn_Storm: exactly
<vaijr2002> i dont know what i did the other day. what update i did, but it messed up synaptec
<vaijr2002> i couldnt do anything
<Quinn_Storm> LBM: the debconf scripts probably just need to be updated to read the resolutions from read-edid
<ferris> which distrobution is the best for non-savvy windows users?
<madstop> unless something breaks, I think I'm married to kde for the time being.  If for nothing else than the sheer convenience of many of the apps.
<vaijr2002> suse , mandrake, redhat
<JDahl> madstop, about KDE being more user friendly: is it truly more userfriendly, or does it just look more like windows, which you know better? I love Gnome because it's simple an unintrusive - that's also a way of defining userfriendliness
<LBM> Dillweed: they obviously are
<vaijr2002> ubuntu
<madstop> and the speed
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Open up a root terminal and issue the command "apt-get update".  What happens?
<ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
<Quinn_Storm> ferris: I'd reccomend at least checking out ubuntu/kubuntu, the debian-based distros are pretty good as far as "just works" goes
<klo> a friend installed me linux but i really do not understand sometime how does it works i think i m stupid
<vaijr2002> how do i open a term as root
<vaijr2002> sudo?
<Quinn_Storm> klo: no, just uneducated when it comes to linux, that doesn't make you stupid
<ferris> ok, then i will stick with debian
<thenuke> klo: or then you just dont know how to found out things like how it works :)
<ferris> ubuntu has some issues that cannot be resolved
<madstop> No, JDahl, God, it's NOTHING like windows.  It improves on windows, while gnome sometimes seems to think it's its mission to remove functionality and convenience
<LBM> madstop: you have the freedom to use what you want :)
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: It's one of the menu items.
<klo> i mean not stupid for linux just to not understand
<Quinn_Storm> ferris: what issues?
<vaijr2002> crap
<vaijr2002> how do i get a root term
<LBM> madstop: i admit gtk+ is lacking behind in speed
<vaijr2002> sudo?
<ferris> well.... for one you cannot install gnome-sword
<ferris> in debian it is apt-get install gnome-sword
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: sudo -s
<madstop> The gnome panels are hopeless compared to the kicker; nautilus seems to prefer esthetic calmness over useful info (laudable "artistically" but inefficient for me)
<zane> I just installed ubuntu.. it didnt give me an option to choose root password.. is there a default root password?
<Fl-i-nT> Is anybody here a Eyecandy sort of person as in they like to customize there enviroment desktop and window decoration?
<Quinn_Storm> ferris: well I don't know what to say there...make sure you have universe & multiverse in your repositories and try...what's your /etc/apt/sources.list look like?
<vaijr2002> got it
<PacoBCN> zane, don't really need root
<ferris> i had all of them available...
<PacoBCN> zane, Ubuntu uses sudo by default
<vaijr2002> ok it listed a bunch of url's
<G-O-D> hi mortals
<zane> i was having problems with the nvidia and tried to donload and installed drivers but it said i have to do it in root
<DarthFrog> zane: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<JDahl> madstop, and that's I like Gnome... I definitely know my way around unix, and for me it's great to have something simple that just works... other WMs are too "fancy" for me - so to me gnome is definitely more userfriendly
<tritium> ferris, why not submit a request that it be put in universe?
<Quinn_Storm> ubuntu tries to force people to use sudo.....all the way to patching kdesu to use sudo (which breaks kcontrol)........that's about the only thing I -don't- like about ubuntu
<ferris> i worked on it with some other very savvy... could not be resolved
<Goshawk> is there someone that have an account on the ubuntu forum with nickname "mayco"?
<Xappe> hmm, now I get GPG errors whentrying to apt-get again
<vaijr2002> brb
<zane> whats a sudo? i am sorry i am new to linux
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell zane ubusudo
<Pyre> zane: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<DarthFrog> Quinn_Storm: It's easy enough to add a root password and do things normally.
<madstop> You've nailed it on the head, JDahl, I think that's it exactly.  Gnome seems like a desktop manager for those who don't really need desktop managers.
<garrut> Quinn_Storm: it's not like you have to use sudo if you don't want to...
<apokryphos> zane: You can do commands as you, but with root permissions.
<Quinn_Storm> garrut: actually since they patched kdesu I'm stuck w/ the broken ubuntu kdesu
<tritium> zane, did you try the ubuntu-supplied nvidia drivers first?
<Quinn_Storm> DarthFrog: I already unlocked the root user & stuff
<DarthFrog> apokryphos: How can I find out what Pyre offers?
<Fl-i-nT> What is a major difference in these Distro's i am new to linux and i am only 14 years old and i have tried Mandrake 10.1 and Ubuntu (currently using Ubuntu) and i see no difference only that the ubuntu install was less mouse using than mandrake and that mandrake seemed to crash all the time
<apokryphos> ferris: I find it odd that it's "not installable", unrecoverable error. Bibletime works fine here, though. I guess you could always compile gnomesword
<zane> tritium.. no i didnt know that,,
<Fl-i-nT> apart from that what is there major diffence
<madstop> But man, gnome just requires way to much click click clicking for me, and 3/4 s of the time, it's easier to just use the terminal anyway.
<apokryphos> ferris: certainly the first packge I've heard about that someone's said will not work
<m4f4> http://fek.az :)
<tritium> zane, I would recommend that first
<apokryphos> DarthFrog: there's no option for that at the mo, unfortunately.
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Pick one or the other and stick with it until you know it.  Then you can make your own comparison. Both Ubuntu and Mandrake are good.
<zane> i see.. is there a command for that or is there something like Yast update with ubuntu
<DarthFrog> apokryphos: Darn.  Pyre looks useful.
<Fl-i-nT> DarthFrog, ok i am sticking with Ubuntu i preffere it abit more and mandrake is a pain in the back side
<ftwig> o dear - I actidentely changed the permisions on a lot of my files in /etc, / ... and now when I try to log in get 'GDM could not write your authorization file' anyone know whitch file it is refuring to?
<tritium> zane, yes, Yast was written to imitate apt
<madstop> anyway, ubuntu's gnome is great gnome, ubuntu's kde is fantastic (I never liked kde before); I'm hoping for a ubunutu optimized xfce next!
<zane> can i use apt-get to install nvidia driver?
<JDahl> madstop, yeah.. I also do everything from a terminal. And I think you're right that Gnome is intentionally designed for more technically skilled people
<tritium> zane, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
<Ghost_Two> does anyone in here use ubuntu on a laptop?
<tritium> zane, scroll down to the nVidia section
<tritium> Ghost_Two, yes
<Xappe> Ghost_Two, yep, on an ibook g3
<Fl-i-nT> that was wierd why did my X-chat suddenly close down?
<sic|> some dude named pwnzor kicked you Fl-i-nT
<sic|> jk
<Ghost_Two> I have a question, I'm using a dell laptop and when I hit the Fn + another key to adjust the volume, the laptop locks up
<zane> tritium... thanx a lot man.. u really helped me a lot.. i wish i knew about this howto website.. lol
<Ghost_Two> does anyone have experience with this?
<tritium> zane, no problem :)
<tritium> zane, let me know if you have any problems
<ftwig> anyone know what the t on the end of the permisions for /tmp is
<WillCooke> Hey guys, what's that open-source version of vmware called?
<madstop> Jdahl, what I can't understand though about the "technically skilled people" though, is how you all have the patience for such poor design as those gnome panels?  I mean, it's absurd the amount of time one has to waste just to add applets, and the selection of applets is very small, and they're often lame.
<Fl-i-nT> HELP!!!!!
<Fl-i-nT> why is it my programmes are shuting down all of a sudden
<Fl-i-nT> ???
<tritium> Ghost_Two, that doesn't happen on my Dell C840.  What model do you have>
<tritium> ?
<sic|> ftwig, did you try to do a man on chmod?
<Ghost_Two> I have a 5000e
<Fl-i-nT> first X-chat then Firefox
<madstop> I get the feeling that the gnome gui is desighned by folks who are a little contemptuous of people who may actually want quick, one or two click access to stuff
<Ghost_Two> it's a hard freeze too
<LinuxJones> madstop, like ?
<JDahl> madstop, I added a terminal launcher and the weather watching applet to my panel - that's it... didnt seem like a big deal to me
<Fl-i-nT> does anyone know why my Ubuntu is closing down my programmes for no reason at all?
<Fl-i-nT> it jsut does it with no warning
<ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: it could be hardware problems...
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: like too little memory.
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, do you knwo what area of the hardware?
<madstop> kind of my point, JDahl-- if you wanted to add more, you'd find it too time consuming.  All that stuff is poorly thought out.
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: you are assuming telepathy here...
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, RAM or Hardrive?
<klo> hey guys...really I need help my messenger is shuting down everytime i try to receive or send something and I can install Totem real player waht i m supposed to do please
<tritium> Fl-i-nT, that's too random with too little information to know
<ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
<Ghost_Two> I will probably just use the ubuntu controls instead of the hardware buttons
<Blissex> ghita: dont repeat your question more often than 5 minutes.
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, do you know a command in terminal which could tell me my partitions and ram space please?
<tritium> Ghost_Two, look at the log files in /var/log for any errors.  Maybe you can track down what's happening.
<Blissex> ghita: unfortunately all our telepathic clairvoyant help people are busy on other lines...
<Xappe> i'm thinking of using a 120 GB disk for ubuntu and win, and a 300 GB disk for storage (no actual need for win to reach the 300 GB disk). what filesystem is best for the big one ? ext3?
<LinuxJones> Anybody running vlc video player ??
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: for partitions, cfdisk.  For RAM, try top.
<Ghost_Two> tritium - thanks I'll do that
<Fl-i-nT> DarthFrog, thankx
<Fl-i-nT> DarthFrog,                       FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
<Fl-i-nT>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
<pepsi> (_)_)
* tritium approaches pepsi with a bottle opener
<Ghost_Two> tritium - any particular log I should look at?
<pepsi> ack!
<Blissex> Xappe: depends what you want to store. 'ext3' is good choice for most things.
<madstop> (JDahl, last point and I'll drop it -- 'cause it is apples and oranges and I really respect the gnome project-- kubuntu, on my amd64 anyway, is much much faster. and things are working better in general)
<sic|> Fl-i-nT, sudo fdisk -l should get you your partitions as well
<Xappe> Blissex, well, multimedia and stuff
<Blissex> Xappe: yeah yeah...
<tritium> Ghost_Two, kern, syslog, messages
<Xappe> Blissex, ;)
<Fl-i-nT> ok Blissexi have 509mb of swap and 40gb of normal Linux ext3
<Blissex> Xappe: if they are mostly big files, perhaps JFS could be a good alternative.
<tritium> pepsi, :)
* pepsi does a few jumping jacks, then sprays himself all over #ubuntu
<sic|> Xappe, I have experienced much better performance using reiserfs and I have a 160gb and a 120gb for storage..I used to use ext3 and was pleasantly surprised by the change
* Quinn_Storm makes sure none of pepsi gets on herself
<JDahl> madstop, I havent tried KDE for 4-5 for ages... I got off the bandwagon when KDE was in a "more is better" phase; but that's years ago - maybe I should try the live Kubuntu CD sometime
<JDahl> I havent tried it for 4-5 years..
<Xappe> sic|, ok, hmm, and ubuntu has support for mounting reiser partitons?
<codyman> i need to install kernel headers for kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic but when i apt-cache search my kernel i get nothing
<sic|> Xappe, yup
<gizeh> hello
<Fl-i-nT> ok guys in mem: 516608k total,    499796k used, 16812k free,   26100k buffers <- - - - could this be the problem?
<tritium> codyman, apt-cache search linux-headers-`uname -r`
<sic|> Xappe, in your fstab where you would normally put ext3, put reiserfs and it will mount fine
<Xappe> but there are no reiserfs drivers for windows at all, like read support or something (could be nify if things go wrong with my linux)
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, could that be a problem if i only have 16548k free mem?
<sic|> ahhh
<codyman> tritium: thanks found it
<Quinn_Storm> by the way, apparently they patched it, just tried one of the kcontrol apps again with the sudoish kdesu and it worked this time.  oh well
<tritium> codyman, :)
<codyman> where is the linux source build directory?
<sic|> Xappe, true, so just uninstall windows....the only windows box in my house is a game box :)
<Xappe> sic|, well, that's why windows is still there ;)
<tritium> codyman, you'll only get the headers, not full source.  dpkg -L <packagename> to list files
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: no, because the system tries to keeo all memory occuiped by caching.
<sic|> Xappe, you mean you only have one computer????  omg! heheheheh
<sic|> jk
<madstop> Jdahl, I the kubuntu folks have worked wonders.
<nic__> well finally I think warty is even worse than hoary. it was ok on a desktop, but definitively not on my laptop. :p
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: in any case you almost always get the reason why something gets terminated in some log.
<Xappe> sic|, and because some programs I need for my masters thesisonly run in windows
<ditzah> Xappe: there is a plugin for Total Commander that can read linux partitions
<ditzah> Xappe: from Windows I mean
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, could you tell me where to find that log
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: for example, if you logged in via a display manager, check '~/.xsession-errors' or similar.
<Xappe> ditzah, ok. and there are some drivers fr ext3 too iirc
<nic__> the most important problems are that acpi doesnt work (crash at boot) and the sound manager applet doesnt detect my sound card
<madstop> sorry about bitching about gnome; it's all good.  The whole ubuntu orientation seems to make it all work better, and more easily for non-techies
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, could yuo tell me how to do that display manager thingie if possible please?
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: no, I am asking _you_.
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex,  ok but what is a display manager ?
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: are you logging in using a display manager? If so, probably your log is '~/.xsession-errors'
<JDahl> madstop, although my preference for Gnome is probably also due to the fact that that's what the sysadmins installed at the machines when I was a student (I even endured twm in my first unix years)
<nic__> and I'm afraid that most users are unable to help
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, i mean how do i get to ~/.xsession-errors
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: a DM is like a graphical login screen like GDM
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, how i get it then yes i do so i have to get to ~/.xsession-errors' correct?
<Myrtti> I love Ubuntu
<nic__> I hate it
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: I think so -- look at it with an editor
<Myrtti> I took time of how long it takes to install it from XP
<nic__> I give up, it sux as much as windows
<Myrtti> 20:03 -@: mut pois.
<Myrtti> 20:47 -@: Ja Ubuntu asennettu.
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, i am a newbi how and what is a editor lol sorry about this i know people hate to answer simple silly questions
<nic__> user friendly things, but its bugged and doesnt work
<pepsi> how do i get video to work?
<nic__> exactly like windows :)
<pepsi> .mpg and such
<madstop> Jdahl, kde really was overkill!
<Myrtti> nic__: feel free to use XP, why are you here then if you don't like it
<Myrtti> or any other windows
<Myrtti> or BSD
<nic__> Myrtti, or real linux distrib
<madstop> kubuntu seems to have been nicely "gnomified" to some extent, though...
<nic__> I just thought I could find some help here
<nic__> but I was wrong
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: we do hate answering those questions because they ashow you are a lazy guy who instead of studying things before using them prefers to take advantage of suckers in IRC channels.
<Myrtti> nic__: really, why are you here then
<LinuxJones> nic__, are you still looking for that scpi thing ?
<LinuxJones> *acpi
<madstop> well, I do a lot of bitching, but at least I'm specific...
<nic__> sure
<nic__> acpi doesnt work at all with warty kernel
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, hey i found it buy un hidding my home and scrolling down oh and sorry i didnt mena to be rude or anything
<nic__> its unbelievable. it just crash at boot if it isnt disabled
<madstop> nic_, try hoary, try again, and try politeness
<LinuxJones> nic__, maybe it's fixed in Hoary can you upgrade with a fast internet connection ?
<nic__> madstop, LinuxJones its fixed in Hoary but I just come from hoary coz some apps were bugged like hell
<nic__> rhythmbox is running now
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: yes, but how to look at files and what is an ''editor'' are described in any GNU/Linux tutorial. You should read one isntead of asking questions like that.
<nic__> but without acpi, it's awful
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: It's not so much as you were rude as you weren't observing netiquette.  You are supposed to do some work on your own to find out answers rather than expecting others to do it for you.
<LinuxJones> nic__, your running a laptop i assume
<Fl-i-nT> Blissex, well then sorry geeez tkae it easy i dint mean any harm
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Relax.  You'll learn.
<DarthFrog> nic__: ACPI works in Hoary.
<Blissex> DarthFrog: we hope :-)
<Fl-i-nT> ggees guys linux is completly new for me i dont even know where to find home unti labout 10 minutes ago i dont know where to start from and what to search for
<zerovertex> Anyone live in the Auburn Alabama area? I'm thinking about organizing a linux user group and need some input
<DarthFrog> Blissex: Well, all I can say is that it works for me. :-)
<klo> i try to run the bittorrent but it doesn t work
<madstop> (Fl-i-nt, one good tactic is to sit back and read the channel; then you can see other newbies like me ask the tryingly simple questions, and very often get them answered with amazing patience ;-)
<LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, what are you trying to do again ?
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: we understand we dont know anything, this is what annoys us: we learned by reading the very large amount of tutorials and introductions available. Not by pestering people...
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: OK, go to http://howtos.linux.com/guides/Intro-Linux/ and have a ball.
<ditzah> any ex-gentoo users around?
<Blissex> Fl-i-nT: it is very hard to help someone that does not know how to look at files...
<Slackman> hi guys, what to do i need to apt-get to play mpeg movies
<DarthFrog> LinuxJones: He's trying to learn linux. :-)
<Fl-i-nT> LinuxJones, why two of my programmes dissapeared without notice into the blue
<Blissex> Slackman: well, a video media player, there are half a dozen.
<Blissex> Slackman: I tend to like VLC best for MPEGs.
<Slackman> Blissex, nah i have totem
<Slackman> Blissex, its just it doesn't know how to play mpeg
<Slackman> it says....if i run it from cli
<Blissex> Slackman: that's unlikely...
<Slackman> Blissex, thats what i thought...i've tried it with 2 mpeg's now
<DarthFrog> Pyre: tell Fl-i-nT linintro
<Pyre> Fl-i-nT: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/
<Blissex> Slackman: however, look at the 'Depends' or 'Suggests' of your media player, almost surely it will list the MPEG libraries that it may need.
<madstop> (Fl-i-nT, do the reading, keep reading this channel, have fun, it's worth the effort, enjoy.)
<Slackman> Blissex, i did an apt-cache search mpeg and installed everything that came up
<Fl-i-nT> geez its hard to be one of the youngest arround here as i know next to zilch
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: We all started as newbies.
<LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, what programs ?
<tritium> Fl-i-nT, you're doing fine.  Keep it up!  :)
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: You'll be helping folks out in no time at all.
<klo> thanx darthfrog found what i was looking for, a la prochaine
<DarthFrog> klo:  Your welcome.
<Fl-i-nT> DrathFrog, Hopefully
<madstop> I love this Pyre thing -- is that new?
<Fl-i-nT> LinuxJones, X-chat and the interntet browser
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: You'll learn a lot from that URL that I had Pyre give  you.
<odie5533> Why can't I navigate to applications:/// ?
<Fl-i-nT> tritium, thankx
<DarthFrog> madstop: It's apokryphos' bot.
<tritium> Fl-i-nT, of course, buddy :)
<LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, ok hit alt+F2 and type xchat (it will autocomplete for you as you type)
<LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, programs just don't dissappear for no reason :)
<madstop> I need one of those bots to hover in the air next to me at work...
<madstop> Pyre : tell boss she's nuts!
<odie5533> How do I change files in the Applications menu?
<Fl-i-nT> LinuxJones, i think it crashed
<DarthFrog> odie5533: You don't, unless you're running KDE.
<LinuxJones> Fl-i-nT, ok that's someting different
<DarthFrog> odie5533: in KDE, you can use kmenuedit.
<Myrtti> what are you trying to do, Fl-i-nT?
<odie5533> I'm in Gnome
<odie5533> Hmm that seems like a practical feature =/
<DarthFrog> odie5533: yeah, but it would be a configuration option.  That's anathema to Gnomes.
<Fl-i-nT> Myrtti, just to try and find out why 2 of my programmes i was running suddenly desspeared(presuemed crashed) with no warning
<Myrtti> oh
<madstop> try kubuntu, odie5533
<odie5533> isn't that KDE?
<arek> odie5533: just rightclick and you can change it
<madstop> yep, it's kde with the ubuntu treatment
<madstop> kde for people who thought they didn't like kde
<snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100,umask=0007 0 0 but i can only list the dir as root, what is wrong ?
<arek> kde sucks
<lok> what is gam_server ?
<odie5533> Isn't Gnome better than KDE though
<odie5533> KDE was always slow for me on SuSe
<tritium> it's all a matter of personal preference
<Myrtti> odie5533: that's personal, some like mothers, some like daughters
<odie5533> What are you using tritium?
<Myrtti> some like KDE
<madstop> kubuntu is very very unlike other kde installs I've tried
<arek> kde looks like windows and is not gnu
<tritium> personally, I use gnome
<zenwhen> gnome here
<madstop> it doesn't look like windows.
<DarthFrog> arek: KDE is GPL-compatible.
<odie5533> KDE reminded me a bit much of windows...
<arek> it does
<Myrtti> there is a menu editor coming up soonfor Gnome
<odie5533> like a cheap takeoff...
<madstop> unless you want it to.
<Quinn_Storm> kde looks like what you want, is gpl-compat, is Free Software (wouldn't be in Debian otherwise), and news for ya, Linux isn't GNU either...you want Hurd for that
<arek> DarthFrog: ??? is it gpl or not?
<arek> its not
<LinuxJones> Myrtti, yeah it's being worked on
<sandwitch> qt is not gpl compatible
<DarthFrog> arek: A lot of it is GPL.
<kent> snk00sj,  change the "gid=XXX" to the gid you have. Run  the command "id" in a terminal, and it should print your gid.
<zenwhen> only windows qt is not gpl compatible
<arek> yah
<arek> rubbish
<Quinn_Storm> actually I think they finally are gonna release windows qt under gpl
<Quinn_Storm> but I could be wrong
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: yes, qt is GPL-compatible.  It's been annointed by St. IGNUcius himself.
<arek> windows gtk is gpl
<sandwitch> that 's new
<sandwitch> happy to hear that
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: No, not new.
<sandwitch> to me it is :)
<odie5533> gpl that good eh?
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: it's a poor day when you don't learn something new. :-)
<odie5533> Why would one care if its gpl or not? I don't see how it matters for everyday use
<DarthFrog> odie5533: It's a religious issue. :-)
<odie5533> Ah (looks into this new cult) :D
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Not new. :-)
<arek> odie5533: yes GPL rocks, anything not fully gpl should not be used in linux world
<odie5533> what about Java? why'd ubuntu make it so hard to install?
<madstop> I don't know why it's an issue at all; depends on what you want to do, not just on the esthetics, or look and feel or whatever.
<DarthFrog> arek: Whoa, there big fellow.  That's going way too far.
<sandwitch> hmz lemme browse your harddisk arek
<odie5533> One of the main reasons I'm on Linux is I hear the Java programming is better here ;)
<SeeleyUSMC> Woo!  My MD5sum checks okay with the hoary install this time...time to burn baby burn!
<LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, :)
<tritium> disco inferno!
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Good luck.  Welcome to the Light Side of The Force.
<arek> sandwitch: i dont have to all i got is gpl
<Myrtti> indeed
<kent> snk00sj, did you get my message?
<Kikyo1> Hello :)
<zenrox> hello
<bsdskin> howdy
<zenrox> hehehe
<Kikyo1> I'm having a problem, and could need some assistance:
<Kikyo1> I have two .AVI files, and two .SUB files... When I run them in Totem the video and sound is good, but I can't run subtitles there (atleast not that I know of.) And in MPlayer the subtitles are ugly, the video won't "stretch" in fullscreen, and the sound doesn't work. And when I tried Kaffeine it asked for subtitles when I loaded the videos, but, the subtitles didn't show when playing the movie. (Although the video and audio were great.)
<Kikyo1> Any tips on how to get this movie running? :)
<klo> i get the same problem
<klo> no idea
<zenrox> Kikyo1,  tay installing gxine
<zenrox> try
<klo> yeah
<Kikyo1> Ah, thanks. :)
<Kikyo1> Just write "sudo apt-get install gxine" ?
<zenrox> and make shure w32codecs are installed
<madstop> xine rocks
<zenrox> Kikyo1, yep
<Kikyo1> Hm.. would the w32codecs affect the subtitles though?
<zenrox> read www.ubuntuguide.org
<Kikyo1> because in kaffeine I got excellent sound and video..
<SeeleyUSMC> Are there any DVD copying programs for Ubuntu out there?
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-09-05-001-21-OP-LF-KE
<zenrox> SeeleyUSMC, dvdrip
<WebMaven> Are there ubuntu devs here?
<WebMaven> The python included in Hoary seems to be missing part of the standard lib.
<zenrox> WebMaven,  chack out #ubuntu-devel
<WebMaven> thx
<zenrox> n/p
<bsdskin> I got a question if anyone's around:  been testing hoary for a while now.    at the latest big update a day or so ago, xorg won't load (signal 11).  I've checked forums and even update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade don't do the trick.  reconfiguring doesn't seem to help either.  any ideas?
<klo> some ubuntuguide in french or spanish???
<kaouete> bsdskin: make a bug report
<zenrox> klo, maby
<kaouete> bsdskin: and check bugzilla before :] 
<sandwitch> that 's a lot of reading DarthFrog brb :)
<nic__> LinuxJones, sorry I've troubles with freenode
<nic__> LinuxJones, did you answer something?
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: Just the article.  Don't bother with the comments.
<sandwitch> so if the kde-devs allow all of qt is gpl ?
<Kikyo1> Hm.. I installed gxine but the subtitles still won't show.. perhaps there's a problem with my fonts?
<eyequeue> isn't that up to trolltech?
<Slackman> sandwitch, qt is controlled by trolltech
<Fl-i-nT> Reading the Manuals is abit hard hehe i only understand about 70% of all mentioned there
<Slackman> sandwitch, it wasn't originally gpl...but now its dual license
<Slackman> with one of those being GPL
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: You will learn in time, young padawan.
<sandwitch> so everybody can use qtkib ?
<eyequeue> Fl-i-nT:  that is a reasonable start
<Amaranth> Yeah, as long as whatever you make with it is GPL.
<sandwitch> s/qtkib/qtlib/
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: Yes.
<sandwitch> that's cool
<Amaranth> You have to pay trolltech a license fee to make non-GPL'ed apps with it. GTK+ doesn't have that restriction, being LGPL.
<sandwitch> i didn't know that
<sandwitch> I domnt care about non-gpl
<sandwitch> so that 's good news
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: RMS prefers Gnome, because it's a GNU project. That seems natural enough.  And he's openly stated that KDE & QT are fully free software.
<zenrox> why would any one use a progam with the name troll in it
<odie5533> If I sell free software that I made entirely myself, and sell it under GPL, can people resell it?
<Kikyo1> "ichi.cd1.lng.avi" -> "ichi.cd1.lng.idx" -> "ichi.cd1.lng.sub"
<Kikyo1> "ichi.cd2.lng.avi" -> "ichi.cd2.lng.idx" -> "ichi.cd2.lng.sub"
<Kikyo1> These are the files for the movie; and the only media player that has shown the subtitles to me has been MPlayer.. gxine, totem and kaffeine didnt work. Any tips on why? I'd preferably not play the movie with MPlayer. :) Thanks in advance.
<Amaranth> odie5533: Yes.
<odie5533> That makes no sense
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Yes.  The GPL disallows restrictions on redistribution other than under the GPL.
<odie5533> I would get a single sale
<caliber> Can someone tell me how to fix the TIME on my machine?  It thinks its 9:30AM, when its actually 2:30PM
<odie5533> then that would be it?
<eyequeue> odie5533:  selling isn't prohibited by the gpl, if you are asking that
<odie5533> No no, I know it isn't
<Amaranth> odie5533: You sell it to one person and they can give it away to everyone else for free, yes.
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Not necessarily. You would make bux with support.
<dabi> what are the minium requirements to install ubuntu hoarty as server?
<odie5533> Not in the community I'm in
<odie5533> I would make a single sale
<odie5533> and get no support
<SeanQ> Caliber: I'll tell ya in PM..don't want to disrupt current discussion.
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Not only that, but you're obliged to give away the source code, too.
<caliber> SeanQ: thanks
<Amaranth> odie5533: But since you wrote it you should know how it works more than anyone else and you be able to fix bugs and support it better than anyone else.
<sandwitch> well i'm glad that qt is gpl still won't use it but i'm glad :)
<DarthFrog> odie5533: The GPL doesn't work in all cases.
<Kikyo1> Could anyone please help me a little? Sorry for being a newbic-bother.
<odie5533> Yeah, I wish it did...
<DarthFrog> Kikyo1: Ask away.
<eyequeue> sandwitch:  i agree with your sentiment on that i believe
<odie5533> It's really meant for fully free software, which offers donations but doesn't force them I guess
<Slackman> sandwitch, qt is very easy to program with compared to GTK IMHO
<DarthFrog> sandwitch: That's OK.  At least you're making a choice based on correct info.
<sandwitch> Kikyo1, shoot i'm not a ubuntu guru but i 'll try anyway
<sandwitch> Slackman, i'm to stupid to program :P
<Amaranth> Slackman: Depends on your style.
<Slackman> Amaranth, yeh true
<Kikyo1> I have three files per "cd" of the movie. cd1.avi cd1.idx cd1.sub and the sabe for cd2.. when I play with totem/gxine/kaffeine the video and audio is great, but the subtitles won't show. And in MPlayer the subtitles show (although they are bad) but the audio and video sucks :P
<odie5533> If I release free software under GPL, can semeone change my source code, compile, and then sell only the compilation not under GPL?
<Amaranth> I can stand doing a little C work, hate C++, and love doing everything in Python if I can so GTK is best for me.
<DarthFrog> odie5533: No.  The GPL is designed to specifically prevent that.
<eyequeue> OddAbe19:  they can not lock up what you have freed
<sandwitch> hmz maybe you miss alib for xine ?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: The BSD license permits it, though.
<odie5533> Ah ok, thats good
<DarthFrog> Which is why MS loves the BSD license and loathes the GPL.
<odie5533> BSD doesn't sound good then ;)
<DarthFrog> odie5533: They have different goals.
<Slackman> Amaranth, pythons nice...but i prefer C++ or Objective C to standard C so i guess why i'm more at home with qt
<nic__> do you know which distrib I could try for my sis :)
<Amaranth> BSD is freedom to developers, GPL is freedom to the code
<Amaranth> Slackman: Yeah, that makes sense.
<Amaranth> nic__: You're asking the #ubuntu channel what distro you should use?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: The BSD developers want their code to be used.  The GPL developers want to increase the amount of free software available.
<Slackman> Amaranth, is GTK+ any more mature now? when i first tried to use it I struggled but it was a long time ago
<Kikyo1> Darthfrog, any tips of why the subtitles aren't showing up ?
<Amaranth> Slackman: err, I've only been using it since 2.2
<Kikyo1> Do you think it might be the fonts?
<nic__> Amaranth, yes because I think something like ubuntu would be nice
<nic__> but I'm maybe wrong
<vaijr2002> can someone walk me through or give me a link to setting up mysql admin acct please
<DarthFrog> Kikyo1: Sorry, no.
<Amaranth> nic__: I'll give you two guesses what answer you're going to get but you'll only need one. :P
<DarthFrog> vaijr2002: check /usr/share/doc/mysql
<nic__> Amaranth, are u telling me all ppl here only know one distrib?
<apokryphos> nic__: it depends on what you're looking for. What are you looking for?
<Amaranth> nic__: I'm telling you they'll all say Ubuntu is best for newbies.
<vaijr2002> oh ok thanks
<apokryphos> nic__: a "good distribution" is too broad, as there are several.
<vaijr2002> brb
<DarthFrog> nic__: No, he's telling you that it's not exactly rational to come onto an Ubuntu support channel and expect us to recommend anything else. :-)
<nic__> a distrib for my sis :) what I like in ubuntu is that its gnome is quite user friendly
<nic__> more than in arch
<sandwitch> show us your sis nic__
<nic__> so I thought it would be better for her
<goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
<Amaranth> sandwitch: ...
<eyequeue> nic__:  how are we to know if your sister prefers openbsd?
<apokryphos> nic__: Though it wasn't mine, Ubuntu is a good place to start because of the plethora of guides/help etc. online.
<nic__> sandwitch, after u help me
<sandwitch> with what ?
<Amaranth> eyequeue: openbsd isn't a different distro, it's a different OS
<eyequeue> Amaranth:  exactly
<apokryphos> nic__: there isn't a graphical installation, but past that you're quite right -- it's very user-friendly.
<Kikyo1> Thanks tho
<Kikyo1> Good bye
<Fl-i-nT> IS it normal to when you read the manuals after abit you half forget what you read stuff 30 minutes ago???
<eyequeue> Amaranth:  he's given us zero to go on
<nic__> apokryphos, I'm only talking about the usage
<Amaranth> Fl-i-nT: Yep. :P
<nic__> apokryphos, I do the rest
<goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
<apokryphos> nic__: well, ubu should be just fine. Are you using it?
<Amaranth> Fl-i-nT: I've been reading the same API references (programming manuals) for years and I still have to keep looking things up.
<nic__> me no
<eyequeue> Amaranth:  well, unless we're to presume some sexist limitation based on gender or such
<nic__> apokryphos, but her laptop had hoary. some apps were bugged so I tried warty. and it's worse
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Use it or lose it.  So, yes, rereading is very common.
<nic__> apokryphos, so now I'm looking for another distrib
<Fl-i-nT> Amaranth, its annoying isnt it when you try to take it in
<DarthFrog> nic__: Try Xandros.
<apokryphos> nic__: support for Laptops is better in Hoary, I've heard.
<nic__> DarthFrog, hmm I wanted to try that too but I was a bit afraid
<apokryphos> nic__: so you're here asking for a distro apart from ubuntu?
<vaijr2002> eh darth nuttin in there
<vaijr2002> i see the english docs but no how to readme
<nic__> apokryphos, if you know one
<apokryphos> nic__: Fedora is good, if you like gnome.
<sandwitch> livecd or install nic__ ?
<apokryphos> (not bad if you don't)
<nic__> sandwitch, install
<madstop> hoary is much friendlier to my laptops, one crappy the other new amd64, than warty
<DarthFrog> nic__: What are you afraid of?  Xandos is very easy.
<vaijr2002> just the error msg text
<nic__> apokryphos, I could try it. I think gnome is fine coz she's used to it
<goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
<sandwitch> with root for your sis ? Who prob dont know nothing of linux ?
<goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
<goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem and ubuntu 5.04 anybody helps me
<dabi> hey.. is there any program what notices me if somebody connects to my port 80?
<apokryphos> nic__: other desktop environments don't take long getting used to, but Gnome's not bad, so if she's comfortable with that, sure.
<nic__> DarthFrog, I just saw there was a poor wifi support, and not a lot of packages
<eyequeue> goxy:  not if you repeat
<apokryphos> nic__: Fedora is quite user-friendly, too.
<goxy> ok
<nic__> apokryphos, ok thx, I'll try that
<DarthFrog> nic__: Xandros is a debian-variant.  The whole of Debian is available to Xandros users.
<sandwitch> gotta go later
<nic__> DarthFrog, ha really? I didn't even know that :p
<DarthFrog> dabi: You could use netstat or snort.
<JDahl> DarthFrog, isnt Xandros commercial?
<nic__> DarthFrog, but its kde
<madstop> nic_ stuff is getting updated and fixed (I presume) at what seems a very fast rate to me, patience might be worthwhile; buggy stuff may start working great very soon
<nic__> DarthFrog, there is a free version
<nic__> oops
<DarthFrog> JDahl: Yes.  But it has a free version.
<nic__> JDahl,
<odie5533> Is there a TTS engine for linux?
<nic__> its limited though
<DarthFrog> nic__: You'll get no argument from me about using KDE. :-)
<cavediver> Hi!
<apokryphos> odie5533: kde has one; it was the "big" feature; kdeaccessibility.
<nic__> madstop, well
<dabi> DarthFrog: netstat isnt good because have to check my self.. and i want that it notices me automatically and shows the ip... where can i get snort?
<cavediver> What's the name of the cpu frequency scaling daemon that i can use with amd cool & quiet?
<odie5533> None for gnome? :D
<eyequeue> bugzilla odie5533
<eyequeue>          Trouble Ticketing System
<cavediver> And does it work now, last time i used it it was a bit buggy.
<DarthFrog> dabi: Can you apt-get it ?
<nic__> madstop, I could try something else till hoary is released
<apokryphos> odie5533: I wouldn't know, sorry. They might do.
<dabi> DarthFrog: oh yes.. ty.. does this have autom. notice?
<DarthFrog> dabi: I did a search in synaptic for snort.  It's there.
<goxy> intel 536ep modem not works i compile driver and make symlinks its not work
<nic__> madstop, but I've a problem. there is 2 gig of data to transfer each time. there is only usb 1 so its way too slow with an external hard drive
<DarthFrog> dabi: Don't know.  But it's an intrusion detection system.
<Fl-i-nT> Damn i jsut forgot what the command was to get packages from a terminal apt-get is it?
<DarthFrog> dabi: you can probably have it send you email.
<madstop> yep, nic_.  You never know.  I was going to bail, till I realized how well hoary amd64 with kubuntu .  Now I'm sticking with this.
<nic__> madstop, I can transfer it from my local network, but it isnt a lot faster. have u a better idea?
<goxy> mybe somebody tell me where to find deb for Intel 536ep
<DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Type "man apt-get" at the console.
<goxy> or deb for minicom
<goxy> or something
<madstop> nope, sorry nic_.  I don't.  I'm very new at all this stuff myself.
<dabi> DarthFrog: hmm.. thats hmm stupid.. :P because im using my pc as an server and desktop same time so whats the point? but ill try.. thanx
<madstop> Fl-i-nt, remember you need to sudo with that-- "sudo apt-get update" etc
<guerreb> Bonsoir
<madstop> Fl-i-nT, have you used the synaptic package manager yet?  That might be easier at first.
<madstop> bonsoir, guerreb
<madstop> bienvenue
<nic__> is hoary preview better than last array cd?
<eyequeue> nic__:  what do you expect? they intended to show off breakage? :)
<LordGrunt> hi
<Baptiste> I've had an idea
<DarthFrog> madstop: Yes, it'll be easier.  But he's 14.  Time to throw him in the deep end. :-)
<Baptiste> it seems that it lacks a sort of menudrake
<Amaranth> menudrake?
<Baptiste> a program which would add automatically programs in the gnome menu
<Baptiste> in Mandrake
<Baptiste> The problem with ubuntu
<DarthFrog> Amaranth: That's a system util in Mandrake.
<Amaranth> oh, you want a menu editor?
<nic__> eyequeue, huh?
<madstop> heh heh; in that case, how about having him use aptitude instead, DarthFrog --;-)
<Slackman> hi guys Despite apt-get install_ing everything with mpeg,mp3 in the name i still get this with totem
<Amaranth> Baptiste: It's a problem with the next version of Mandrake too.
<Slackman> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, systemstream=(boolean)false
<Slackman> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1
<DarthFrog> madstop: Nope.  dselect!!!
<Baptiste> yes
<Amaranth> Baptiste: It's a GNOME 2.10 thing, not a distro thing.
<Baptiste> yes
<Baptiste> padron
<Baptiste> pardon
<DarthFrog> Baptiste: If you install KDE, you have kmenuedit.
<Baptiste> yes
<LordGrunt> after upgrade to hoary, i have a bit of mess, cause xorg replaced xfree. but as it seems it didnt do that fully. my nvidia drivers partially see (or use) xfree as its x server. how to make it working normally?
<Amaranth> Baptiste: If you want a menu editor http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/ works in a limited capacity.
* madstop is not at all clear about difference between apt-get and aptitude, except that aptitude makes for interesting reading....
<Baptiste> ok
<Baptiste> tanks
<nic__> its the only thing I find very dumb in gnome
<nic__> of course kde is a lot better on that point
<goxy> intel 536ep modem not works i compile driver and make symlinks its not work
<Amaranth> what point?
<nic__> its too bad :)
<nic__> menu
<Amaranth> they use the same menu system now
<Baptiste> however
<Baptiste> the menu of kde
<DarthFrog> madstop: dselect is the single most hideous piece of software that it's ever been my misfortune to have to use.  Worse yet, I had to teach it to a class!
<Amaranth> KDE switched earlier so they have the problems fixed
<Baptiste> is not very well organized
<Baptiste> with parameters, configurations, etc
<madstop> googling dselect...
<Amaranth> actually, KDE's menu system is about the same as the spec, from what i've heard
<nic__> Amaranth, damn I suck, I still didnt see how to edit/update gnome menu
<Baptiste> yes
<DarthFrog> madstop: Just run it from a root console.
<madstop> Baptiste, if you haven't tried "kubuntu", the ubuntu-intended version of kde, you might be pleasantly surprised-- it's very tastefully done, less overkill.
<Baptiste> oh
<Baptiste> hum
<madstop> do I have to, DarthFrog ? ;-)
<Baptiste> it doesn't exist a stable version?
<vaijr2002> grrr i cant get this mysql admin thing setup
<vaijr2002> me lost
<DarthFrog> madstop: Up to you. :-)
<Baptiste> tanks Madstop
<Amaranth> Baptiste: kubuntu is at the same stage as the hoary preview
<Baptiste> ok
<madstop> DarthFrog, I'll try it on what I call my deathwish laptop...
<Amaranth> Baptiste: almost ready to be called stable, still has a couple of little issues
<kent> Will the official Ubuntu Hoary come in a dvd-version?
<DarthFrog> Baptiste: There is a #kubuntu for discussion about KDE & Ubuntu.
<Baptiste> ok
<madstop> je vous en prie, Baptiste
<Amaranth> kent: Why do you need a DVD version?
<Baptiste> oui
<vaijr2002> can someone help please
<Baptiste> pardon Madstop
<vaijr2002> i need to create a database
<Amaranth> eek, you guys speak french
<vaijr2002> and make an admin acct
<DarthFrog> madstop: dselect is a curses-based package manager for Debian systems.
<Amaranth> or should i say you guys speak 'freedom'? :)
<Baptiste> he speeks french very well
<kent> Amaranth, well.. it might be handy. It could have a larger set of application to be installed by default :)
<madstop> Baptiste, hoary is in very good shape for an "unstable" release, I think others would agree
<Baptiste> I had yet trayed it
<JDahl> DarthFrog, why recommend dselect over aptitude?
<Amaranth> kent: One of the main points about Ubuntu is that it isn't bloated, why do you want to add that?
<Amaranth> dselect is shite
<DarthFrog> JDahl: So that the newbie can experience the horror! :-)
<JDahl> dselect is worse than shite
<LinuxJones> goxy, I don't know if this helps but have a look >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6199.html
<madstop> ah!  DarthFrog, thank you.  heh heh, two terms that I found intriguing when first venturing into linux land-- "curses" and "bicycle-repair..."
<kent> Amaranth, becaus some people might like to have more programs installed by default? One CD is not that much..
<Baptiste> tanks for all. Merci pour tout!
<Baptiste> I will take a look on #kubuntu
<DarthFrog> Baptiste: Tu es bienvenue.
<Baptiste> Merci!
<Amaranth> I don't know what that means!
<Amaranth> thank you?
<Baptiste> Ubuntu is a very good distribution
<Baptiste> Good bye
<JDahl> DarthFrog, but aptitude! that's a nice program...
<snk00sj> on parle francais ici ?
<Amaranth> oh
<DarthFrog> Amaranth: It means "You're welcome".  In joual.
<Baptiste> a bit
<Baptiste> yes
<Baptiste> o en espanol! ole
<Baptiste> :-D
<DarthFrog> JDahl: Agreed.
<Levian> hey all, is there some specific package I need to get php working with mysql?
<Baptiste> I don't know the chinese language
<madstop>  a bientot Baptiste
<Amaranth> habla espanol?
<Baptiste> :-D
<Amaranth> or something like that
<Myrtti> snk00sj: no, English on the channel, other languages on other ubuntu related channels or by /query
<Baptiste> A bientt et merci!
<Baptiste> Bonne soire!
<madstop> moi, je parle un peu de chinois...
<DarthFrog> Baptiste: De rein.
<Myrtti> tai minkin voin ruveta puhumaan suomea tll ja haukkua kaikki pataluhiksi
<Levian> I think something is missing since it says the function isnt recgonized
<Amaranth> o_O
<Myrtti> pls
<odie5533> What is a standard place to install things?
<Myrtti> English
<DarthFrog> OK, whose got the babelfish today? :-)
<madstop> Finnish is very cool looking.
<Amaranth>    
<Amaranth> hehe
<odie5533> I can see arabic?
<madstop> nice font!
<odie5533> woah
<madstop> I'm impressed
<Amaranth> showing off the nice language support
<Amaranth> i don't know what i said
<odie5533> Where does one store new programs, as in where do they install normally?
<Myrtti> /topic English | Ubuntu Help etc
<DarthFrog> Amaranth: That's OK,  None of us do, either.
<SeanQ> LMAO @ madstop.
<Myrtti> odie5533: if you do installing by synaptic, you don't need to worry about that
<lewiz> Is there any way I can set a global default mixer channel as the master?  My laptop uses master mono, not master.  Also -- I need to disable the external amplifier for it to work -- is there any way I can set this globally?
<odie5533> I can't install with synaptic =/
<gaulois> #ubuntu.de
<Myrtti> you can't? that's odd
<mjr> Amaranth, 
<odie5533> It's an sh file
<mjr> :)
<Amaranth> mjr: hebrew?
<Amaranth> russian?
<mjr> russian
<DarthFrog> odie5533: You can use "dpkg -L (packagename)" to see what was installed.  Or "dpkg --info (package name)" to see what is in an uninstalled package.
<madstop> personally, I like to see a mix of languages in a channel; just ignore what I don't understand.  I need to do that nine-tenths of the time on here anyway... ;-)
<odie5533> Its a sh install file, it generates an uninstall script, but it also requires me to specify an install directory?
<Amaranth> madstop: eh, we try to keep them seperate because people abuse it
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Any stuff like that you install should go in /usr/local/
<Myrtti> not to mention how rude it is to whisper in a crowd
<Myrtti> or talk s**t about other people behind their back
<Myrtti> which is what happens if everyone starts to use their native language
<madstop> Jesus, Myrtti, all I saw was very trivial greetings, etc.  Chill.
<odie5533> it wants to install to /opt/? Or should I just install to /usr/local?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: personal stuff and your data should go in your home directory.  Any software you install outside of the package management system should go in /opt or /usr/local.
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Just be consistent.
<odie5533> ok
<Myrtti> madstop: naivity located, inserting "G-man"
<lewiz> In fact... is there a default location for mixer config files or should I just go ahead and add stuff to some rc.local script?
<madstop> I have no idea what that means, Myrtti.  English please.
<LinuxJones> lewiz, are you using alsa for sound ?
<DarthFrog> lewiz: well, config files belong in /etc.
<Myrtti> but of course, the real reason is that the amount of help is shrinken if this channel would become the tower of Babel
<desrt> madstop; ybbx ng zr.  v'z fnlvat fbzrguvat nobhg Myrtti gb naabl uvz :)
<Myrtti> madstop: you really don't want to know
<lewiz> LinuxJones: Yes.
* DarthFrog agrees with Myrtti.  But enjoys a bit of silliness every now and again.
<LinuxJones> lewiz, gnome isn't saving your mixer settings ?
<Levian> anyone good with php and mysql in here?
<madstop> Myrtti, you're using up a hell of a lot more space and time complaining about a few phrases than the "offence" itself used.
<savetheclocktowe> Levian: somewhat
<Slackman> Levian, yeh
<Levian> I install mysql and php with apt-get
<lewiz> LinuxJones: Doesn't seem to.  I switched from OSS to ALSA (it remember that) but it doesn't remember my master mono volume settings, or the fact that I have the amplifier off.
<Levian> and when I try to connect it says the connect function isnt recgonized
<Levian> is there some sort of library I need to get that wooking?
<Levian> working*
<savetheclocktowe> Levian: check the PHP/MySQL section at http://ubuntuguide.org, if you haven't already
<JDahl> Levian, if you installed your own webserver (apache) you need to install an apache php library also
<LinuxJones> lewiz, right click the sound icon on the panel and select properties. You have the correct card selected for your sound ?
<Myrtti> desrt: URE
<lewiz> LinuxJones: Yep.
<desrt> Myrtti; thanks :)
<Slackman> Levian, mod_php
<savetheclocktowe> Levian: i think the specific package is libapache-mod-php4 from apt-get
<savetheclocktowe> but don't hold me to that
<Myrtti> desrt: decode it with rot13 yourself
<Levian> I will check
<LinuxJones> lewiz, ok try running gstreamer-properties and have a peek in there Gnome should be saving your settings for you automatically.
<Myrtti> my answer, I mean
<desrt> can't be bothered to spend the effort
<Kate> hello
<desrt> if you want to talk in a language that's not english then that's your own business
<savetheclocktowe> hey, on that subject, i'm having trouble with building php5 from source on hoary.  can someone talk me through an error i'm getting?
<madstop> hi Kate.
<Zugot> anyone here use eagle?
<Zugot> er beagle..
<sabmoc> OMFG
<lewiz> LinuxJones: Hmm.. it's using esound for output.  Should that be ALSA?
<savetheclocktowe> "configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's <evp.h>"
<Myrtti> desrt: not him. Her.
<Levian> but I think it should be something else since all php scripts work, except for the database connection, but I am only guessing
<madstop> No Zugot, but from what I've read, I'd like to try it.  You?
<lewiz> LinuxJones: (although it does work now -- just doesn't remember the settings on reboot)
<Kate> well im now using an external modem, which is good news
<Zugot> madstop, yeah... i'm going to right now
<Levian> but I shall check ubuntus homepage, thanks for the link =)
<desrt> Myrtti; huh?
<Zugot> i was wondering if there was a beagle deb...
<sabmoc> inkscape just crashed on me and I lost an hours worth of work !?!?!?!??! gah!
<Kate> is inkscape an art program?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Save early, save often.
<Myrtti> "I'm saying something about Myrtti to annoy him."
<Myrtti> not him. Her.
<JDahl> Zugot, apt-cache search beagle doesnt show anything, so probably there isnt
<madstop> Let us know how it is, Zugot.  I'm trying to go slow with installing stuff on here, cause I f**k things up so easily...
<eyequeue> Kate:  i wondered that too
<desrt> Myrtti; oh.  i'm proud for you.
<Slackman> Kate, yeh SVG
<Zugot> JDahl, you think so small..
<madstop> Don't think so, JDahl
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, the great part is that I saved right after I finished the ruffing out, then I did all the finer detailing and I just finished, and it crashed. now im back to just a ruff cut. how sad.
<Slackman> Kate, inkscape is quite cool
<Zugot> i'll be back in a couple of minutes with my findings....
<madstop> I mean, Zugot, not JDahl
<Kate> eyequeue, im having enough trouble with gimp...
<Kate> is it freeware?
<sabmoc> Kate, yes, its like illustrator
<Kate> cool
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Set it up to autosave.
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, good plan :)
<sabmoc> I get too wraped up to remember to save sometimes
<madstop> I'm afraid gimp's interface has always been kind of a strain for me, don't know why
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Then you'll only lose a few minutes of work next time.
<sabmoc> yeah, autosave every 10 seconds :)
<Kate> is the terminal the only way to connect to the internet?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Well, I'd probably  go with every five minutes.
<sabmoc> and let me tell you, that was one hell of a breazy badger ! :(
<Kate> im really not sure what version im using
<JDahl> kate, what do you mean? only way to establish a dialup connection or something?
<Usiu> Hi
<Kate> yeah, JDahl
<Usiu> Why nautilus segfaults on python2.3 ?
<Usiu> on libpython2.3
<Kate> i have dialup, sadly
<Usiu> 0xb6488eff in PyModule_GetDict () from /usr/lib/libpython2.3.so.1.0
<drspin> could someone PLEASE help me with partioning and Grub and whatnot??
<Hikaru79> drspin, what's the problem?
<desrt> drspin; are you just installing?
<Usiu> Any help ?
<Myrtti> madstop: thanks about the whine about whine. Though I felt like not whining, but trying to explain those people who don't know why this _international_ channel is using _English_. But to keep that space and time from being wasted on the subject or on any of my $.02, I'll go away from the keyboard.
<JDahl> kate, fortunately I am not on dialup so I dont know for sure, but I am sure there's a gnome applet for dialup - maybe someone else can chime in?
<Kate> cool
<drspin> I just deleted my NTFS partition -- had to do it from the Live CD -- I used Fdisk -- when I restarted I get Starting GRUB Error 22 ...
<desrt> Myrtti; ciao.
<Kate> im googleizing it right now....
<Hikaru79> drspin, what is on the other partitions? Windows or Linux or both?
<drspin> just linux -- one is linux one is swap
<madstop> Myrtti, have a sauna and relax or something, buddy.
<JDahl> kate, "apt-cache search dialup" shows a lot of interesting stuff... maybe take a look at gnome-ppp?
<slept> drspin: what is error 22 in words
<lewiz> LinuxJones: Thanks for your help -- I've fixed it by editing the alsa save state.  It's done the trick for now and I'll figure out why it wasn't saving it later.
<Kate> ok
<LinuxJones> lewiz, great ;)
<drspin> slept, AFAIK it's the equivalent of invalid partition...
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, I dont seem to be able to find autosave in the preferences...
* madstop apologizes to Myrtti for complaining about his complaints
<Levian> ubuntus guide tells me to install this package: sudo apt-get install php4-mysql
<Levian> however it says the package cannot be found
<Kate> some people i was talking to last night said it was my modem
<Usiu> Can someone tell me why python-nautilus package cause that 0xb6488eff in PyModule_GetDict () from /usr/lib/libpython2.3.so.1.0 ??
<Usiu> Any help ?
<Usiu> I reinstalled python2.3
<Kate> your lucky
<Usiu> Anybody having the same problem ?
<Kate> python doesnt support my processor
<Kate> grrrr
<Usiu> what ?
<Usiu> :|
<JDahl> Kate, what alien computer technology are you using??
<Kate> lol
<Usiu> lol
<Kate> a celeron...
<Usiu> lol
<Usiu> Kate, who told you that
<madstop> I thought a python could swallow anything
<slept> drspin : partition numbers might be messed up , you can fix that by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst .  Or boot the system with comandline / edit mode , it has autocompletion - easy to use
<Kate> they guy that build the pc
<Kate> its version 2.4 though
<zenrox> python runs fine on my celron
<Usiu> Anyway... anyone can help me ????
<drspin> slept, Grub doesn't even get that far...
<devmnky> can someone help me with manual package installation ?
<Kate> it says that the installation package doesnt support the processor type
<Kate> lol
<JDahl> Usiu, try stracing your program
<slept> drspin : how far does it get ?
<drspin> slept, or I would've tried it -- I need to reinstall grub but I get errors that I can't explain
<Zotnix> Kate, erm... odd...
<drspin> slept, #grub-install /dev/hda
<Kate> yeah
<JDahl> Usiu, "strace python error_script.py"
<zenrox> devmnky,  try sudo dpkg -i the.deb
<drspin> slept, mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied
<slept> drspin : while reinstalling ?
<devmnky> ooh, will do zenrox :)
<devmnky> thx
<Usiu> JDahl, it's a problem with libpython2.3.so
<zenrox> h/p
<zenrox> n/p
<drspin> slept - no that's where it stops when I restart and try and boot off the HD
<Usiu> JDahl, python-nautilus call it
<Zotnix> Kate, do you use Ubuntu?
<Kate> yes
<slept> drspin : you don't have to create that dir .
<Kate> but im using win xp right now
<Zotnix> Kate, do you upgrade via apt-get?
<Kate> i havent been able to upgrade yet
<slept> drspin : do you get the grub command line ?
<Zotnix> Ah
<drspin> slept, no
<drspin> slept, it won't get that far before telling me "Error 22"
<Kate> im trying to fix the internet on it...
<zenrox> drspin, you need to reinstall grub
<madstop> Does the python stuff come in 32 bit and 64 bit versions?
<zenrox> madstop,  yep
<drspin> zenrox, yes when I do I get "permission denied" errors for EVERYTHING that it tries to do
<Usiu> JDahl, here is the backtrace http://rafb.net/paste/results/pSwMAt21.html
<Usiu> JDahl, any ideas ?
<drspin> zenrox:$ grub-install /dev/hda
<drspin> mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied
<zenrox> drspin,  hmmm i dont know how to do it
<JDahl> Usiu, hold on...
<sysrq> dsr_: sudo grub-install...
<Dillweed> drspin: sudo grub-install
<slept> drspin : you can boot the live cd, then mount your hd , chroot into your partition, mount /proc, apt-get install grub , grubinstall (hd...,...),maybe fix the menu, reboot
<zenrox> drspin, try putting a sudo infrount od grub-install
<Kate> is there a gnome applet for dialup?
<zenrox> od =- of
<desrt> slept; concise. :)
<drspin> sysrq,$ sudo grub-install /dev/hda
<drspin> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
<drspin> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
<Dillweed> drspin: do you have a /boot dir?
<JDahl> Usiu, sorry - I dont know
<NeWXeR>   !!!
<zenrox> drspin, hows your partions layed out
<sysrq> is /boot on the live CD? heh
<drspin> slept, lemme give that a try :)
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, inkscape rocks
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, there is an autosave automatically, it saves the file to the .inkscape folder
<sabmoc> so its kind of hidden
<devmnky> anyone have experience with ubuntu on toshiba satellite pro laptop ?
<sabmoc> and there is nothing in the preferences about autosave
<drspin> slept, Dillweed, zenrox: I still get "permission denied over and over and over
<Dillweed> are your running grub as root?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: What is inkscape?
<slept> drspin : did you reboot, chroot ?
<Dillweed> drspin: what are you exactly doing?
<NeWXeR>    ?
<andrewski> DarthFrog: SVG program, inkscape.org
<slept> drspin : sudo su , to become root and then all the other things
<desrt> NeWXeR; stop filling the channel with crap
<Kate> is the command for connecting to the internet pon?
<slept> kate : if you are using ppp
<andrewski> sabmoc: aren't they working on adding that to future versions?
<Kate> what does that mean?
<NeWXeR> I`m Russian
<drspin> slept, Dillweed: When I'm in the chroot environment, sudo returns "sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()"
<JDahl> btw, I thought Ubuntu didnt use a root account.. then yesterday I installed Hoary preview on a machine, and it actually made a root account
<desrt> NeWXeR; nobody uses your character set.  use utf-8 please.
<NeWXeR> what &
<slept> drspin : did you mount /proc
<drspin> slept: yes
<Psoulocybe> hello people
<NeWXeR> hi
<Psoulocybe> anyone want to do some ubuntu warty sound support
<desrt> NeWXeR; it's a different way to encode cyrillic characters
<DarthFrog> drspin: Is ubuntu your machine's name?
<Psoulocybe> i'm at a total loss
<drspin> slept, DarthFrog, I'm using the liveCD to reinstall grub on my HD
<Kate> ummm
<Dillweed> drspin: did you use the livecd to get into chroot?
<desrt> NeWXeR; it means that anyone can read them... not just people who have their irc clients set to a russian character encoding
<Kate> whats ppp?
<drspin> Dillweed, yes
<Dillweed> drspin: ok.
<andrewski> Psoulocybe: maybe, what kind of card?
<Psoulocybe> soundblaster live 24
<Dillweed> Kate: point to point protocol
<DarthFrog> Kate: Point to Point Protocol.  It's for TCP/IP over a modem.
<slept> drspin: did you apt-get install --reinstall grub
<drspin> Dillweed, mounted /dev/hda5 sudo chroot /mnt/hda5 sudo no longer works
<Kate> ok
<andrewski> Psoulocybe: what's the problem?
<Psoulocybe> it doesn't work
<Psoulocybe> and i have no idea how to trouble shoot
<andrewski> Psoulocybe: more specifically?
<PacoBCN> weird, my local apache doesn't compile php files anymore but give download option instead
<Groil>   ? :)
<Kate> ok...
<DarthFrog> Psoulocybe: That's an easy one to fix.  Get a new one.
<Psoulocybe> well, if i try to use xmms, i get an error
<Dillweed> drspin: what directory is  /dev/hda5 mounted?
<PacoBCN> anyone helps me to debug this? I'm pretty dizzy now
<slept> drspin : from there you don't need sudo anymore you are allready root
<desrt> Groil; no :)
<Kate> i might be back later
<Kate> bye
<Psoulocybe> great......
<Groil>   ?
<andrewski> Psoulocybe: ah, there we go.  can you paste it?
<drspin> hmmm how can I turn off the Warty install CD for a repo -- it wants me to put it in and I can't because I'm booted from liveCD
<drspin> slept, good to know!
<andrewski> drspin: comment out the line in sources.list or uncheck it in synaptic. :)
<Psoulocybe> couldn't open audio -  please check that: your soundcard is configured properly    you have the correct output plugin selected    no other program is blocking the soundcard
<Groil>  
<Psoulocybe> it worked until about a week ago w/ my old hercules muse xl card, but then it died one day.  i figured the card broke... just went and bought this one.
<lunitik> drspin: you may want to rethink apt-get'ting things on the LiveCD though... wasted time
<NeWXeR>   
<Psoulocybe> not it still doesn't work
<Groil> 
<zenrox> Psoulocybe, what card??
<NeWXeR> 
<Groil>  
<slept> drspin: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the cd with #, then maybe apt-setup to add other sources
<Psoulocybe> creative sound blaster live 24 bit
<drspin> lunitik, I'm in a chroot environment ;)
<Groil>  
<drspin> slept, it's reinstalling no
<drspin> w
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  hmmm
<Dillweed> drspin: not run your grub-install dealie
<zenrox> Psoulocybe, try a sudo modprobe sb
<Dillweed> *now
<NeWXeR>         !!!!! :)))
<Myrtti> madstop: np, I'm a thickskinned girl
<desrt> NeWXeR, Groil; stop filling the channel with garbage
<slept> drspin: didn't get it
<Groil> 
<Psoulocybe> FATAL: Error inserting sb (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/oss/sb.ko): No such device
<drspin> slept - ok it's reinstalled with APT... now run grub-install /dev/hda ??
<Slackman> Xappe, have you submitted a bug report for the ibook sleep problem?
<Groil>  
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  ok hmm
<drspin> Psoulocybe, modprobe snd_pcm
<NeWXeR>     !! ???
<zenrox> drspin,  is right
<Psoulocybe> no error
<drspin> Psoulocybe, modprobe snd_emu10k1 OR emu_10k1x
<NeWXeR>     !! ???
<Psoulocybe> it isn't emu_10k1
<slept> drspin : grub-install (hd0)
<Psoulocybe> http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix
<nineBALL> Hello. Um i need help on setting up my usb cable modem on Ubuntu.
<Psoulocybe> that shows the chipset this card uses
<MCooke> Anyone know when the next release of Ubuntu is likely to be?
<Psoulocybe> it uses P17
<desrt> nineBALL; is it known to be supported in linux?
<drspin> root@ubuntu:/etc/apt # grub-install '(hd0)'
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
<PacoBCN> weird, my local apache doesn't compile php files anymore but give download option instead. Any ideas?
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
<drspin> oops - sorry
<nineBALL> desrt: it worked on 3 other linux distros LIVE CD's
<desrt> nineBALL; do you happen to know the name of the kernel module?
<zenrox> hda0 drspin
<arek> PacoBCN: check your php mod
<nineBALL> desrt: no, but i think the problem is that it wasnt connected when I installed Ubuntu
<desrt> zenrox; hd0 is correct
<zenrox> desrt, your right
<desrt> nineBALL; even stil, the notplug system should be able to deal with it :/
<zenrox> i just read the manuel
<DarthFrog> MCooke: In April.
<nineBALL> Is there anyway to create a new connection, like in Windoze?
<PacoBCN> no, now it doesn't even show me html files
<drspin> so why can't I write?
<desrt> nineBALL; not as such.  lemme see
<slept> drspin : maybe the live-cd has an grub-install aswell, you should try that
<Psoulocybe> i'm so fucking close to reinstalling w/ the new kubunut release
<PacoBCN> I think it's some kind of default program problem
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  thats the easyest way any way
<zenrox> lol
<desrt> nineBALL; become root
<drspin> I've gotten this far before ;) -- and I have tried the LiveCD grub-install also ;)
<Psoulocybe> seriously
<desrt> nineBALL; then go through this list:
<desrt> catc.ko  kaweth.ko  pegasus.ko  rtl8150.ko  usbnet.ko
<desrt> modprobe catac
<zenrox> Psoulocybe, my opion ya
<desrt> one at a time
<DarthFrog> drspin: You could create a GRUB boot floppy.
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  make shure you make seprate partions on for / and the other for /home
<MCooke> Ta. I am evaluating Ubuntu for shipping to S.Africa (and other places) on several thousand refurbished PCs as part of a charity. Currently Ubuntu looks like the best single CD distro to use.
<drspin> DarthFrog, one problem -- no floppy drive...
<PacoBCN> how do I remove all the MIME type associations?
<nineBALL> thanks. i will try that.
<desrt> nineBALL; then look in dmesg and see which one is correct (it should be obvious)
<Psoulocybe> zenrox, huh?
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  that way you dont louse setting in your /home dir
<DarthFrog> drspin:  That is a bit of a problem.:-)
<drspin> DarthFrog, I threw it out a year or so ago... never EVER used it
<desrt> then add the correct module to /etc/modules
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  when you reinstall
* drspin kicks himself in the junk ("Dousche bag")
<MCooke> And I was wondering whether to delay the CD pressing or not.
<DarthFrog> MCooke: Ubuntu has very strong South African ties.
<MCooke> (for the next version)
<MCooke> yeah thats probably a good thing
<nineBALL> thankies.
<MCooke> we may be able to get the UN to makes a few thousand copies.
<SeeleyUSMC> Well, I now have Ubuntu Hoary installed.  But I'm having some problems.
<ol4l> im trying to set up a dhcpd server at my home network but I keep getting this error "No subnet declaration for eth0" even though eth1 is my LAN interface.
<spiral> hi
<Psoulocybe> zenrox, i was just going to backup my stuff on cd, then start from scratch
<ol4l> any ideas on what to try?
<NeWXeR>       ,        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<Groil> 
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  is you make seprate partions for /home and / you wont have to back up
<mjr> NeWXeR, you're not making any sense to most of us
<MCooke> Openoffice takes 2minutes to start on a 64Meg machine, but well thats hardly Ubuntus fault...
<Groil>     
<drspin> I wish qtparted was on the LiveCD...
<LinuxJones> guys please knock it off !!
<drspin> heh but it's in my chroot env!
<Psoulocybe> i don't have enough data to worry about it... i keep most of my data on a seperate hard drive mount
<NeWXeR>       ,        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<desrt> GUYS
<desrt> cut it out
<LinuxJones> NeWXeR, stop it
<SeeleyUSMC> NeWXeR: grow up
<Psoulocybe> zenrox, just like a windows user ;)
<Groil>  
<NeWXeR> 
<DarthFrog> MCooke:  Hoary Hedgehog is the next version of Ubuntu, due to be released in April. Many of us here are already running it, in pre-release form.  It's available for an ISO download and is very good, not at all unstable.
<Groil> WINDOVS FUUU LINUX COOL
<slept> drspin: I think that won't work - chrooted partitioning
<MCooke> Is it more or less intensive than the last version
<NeWXeR>      !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  ya and every time you have to reinstall you wont louse setting for progams and louse any saved data in you /home partion
<mjr> ol4l, configure it to only serve eth1; by default it wants to serve all interfaces, IIRC. And by the way, for a home network, dnsmasq might be handier.
<NeWXeR>  ????????????????
<slept> drspin: but you can use fdisk from the cd
<MCooke> about 20% of the machines we shiop only have 64Meg
<DarthFrog> Groi,l NeWXeR:   Please stop it.
<Psoulocybe> yeah....   i don't have any settings i'm worried about
<Groil> IDI NAXUY
<DarthFrog> MCooke: Ouch.  That may not be enough for Ubuntu.
<mjr> ol4l, I think you could only configure the interfaces from /etc/init.d/dhcp, by the way, but not sure
<Psoulocybe> it'll just be a matter of reinstalling my apache and mysql, thats about it zenrox
<NeWXeR>      !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
<ol4l> mjr: how do I set it to only server eth1?
<Groil>  
<NeWXeR>  ????????????????
<zenrox> Psoulocybe,  ya just keep that in mind when you reinstall
<tsume> dholbach: wait
<drspin> slept, yeah it won't work -- It's rather annoying that it's nothing more than a permissions thing... why can't I just reinstall and reconfigure grub?? "Permission Denied"
<Groil>    :
<tsume> dholbach: I'll have a kline set
<SeanQ> */kick Groil
<SeanQ> */kick NeWXeR
<Groil> 
<tsume> no
<ol4l> mjr: i tried to set INTERFACE="eth1" in /etc/init.d/dhcp but it didnt work..
<MCooke> DarthFrog: It runs, which is better than most distros. Not well, as i said on 64Meg it takes 2minutes to start OpenOffice
<Groil> fuck off
<NeWXeR> What &
<dholbach> tsume: i was just having a look
<MCooke> DarthFrog: But still, better than nothing.
<slept> drspin : the live cd doesn't have grub-install ?
<Groil> im russia
<NeWXeR>  <SeanQ> */kick Groil
<NeWXeR> [23:50]  <SeanQ> */kick NeWXeR
* tsume looks apologetic
<drspin> slept, yes it sure does --
<NeWXeR> Im 
<DarthFrog> MCooke: True.
<Groil>    ?
<drspin> slept, from the LiveCD $ grub-install '(hd0)'
<drspin> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
<NeWXeR> 
<mdz> NeWXeR: please stop
<MCooke> Also 64meg machines will probably be phased out over the next 6 months
<LinuxJones> mdz, jdub you there ?
<Groil> wait
<mjr> ol4l, actually, set it at /etc/default/dhcp
<desrt> Groil. NeWXeR; are you two trying to make some dumb point about how it's possible to be an idiot on irc?
<slept> drspin : umount your disk and try again to install grub on (hd0)
<Psoulocybe> well, guys, thanks for the help...  i'm going to close her down and start backups
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> hi
<LinuxJones> mdz, they been doing this for like 5 mins
<desrt> Groil, NeWXeR; or are you just badly programmed bots?
<DarthFrog> desrt: They're succeeding.
<Groil>  
<Psoulocybe> take her easy
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> yes
* mode/#ubuntu [+o mdz]  by ChanServ
<NeWXeR>  
<Groil> 
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> nonono
<MCooke> The simple installation is a real bonus
<desrt> bye guys
<drspin> umount: /mnt/hda5: device is busy
<theseal> mdz: THANK YOU!!!! I am sitting next to ola
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> alguem fala portugues?
<tsume> Groil: bye asshole
<ol4l> mjr: OMG!
<tsume> NeWXeR: bye bye
* NeWXeR was kicked off #ubuntu by mdz (mdz)
<Groil>      
<NeWXeR> 
* Groil was kicked off #ubuntu by mdz (mdz)
<ol4l> mrj: I LOVE YOU!
<drspin> slept, umount: /mnt/hda5: device is busy
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> alguem fala portugues?
<desrt> ah.  autorejoin on kick.  that's l33t.
<mjr> ol4l, sorry, I'm spoken for
<slept> drspin: you have to leave the directory
<drspin> slept, lsoflsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /ramdisk
<drspin>       Output information may be incomplete.
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> sleep
<NeWXeR>      
* mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@213.141.159.*]  by mdz
* NeWXeR was kicked off #ubuntu by mdz (mdz)
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> fuck
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> fucking
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> shit
<LinuxJones> IamNEGATIVECREEP, stop cursing
<slept> drspin : are you chrooted ?
<desrt> IamNEGATIVECREEP; bye.
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> portugues!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> no
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> sorry
<alindeman> It's Russian
<drspin> slept, I'm  @ /
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> I DONT SPEAK ENGLISH
<desrt> man
<slept> drspin : umount /proc , exit, grub-inst
<LinuxJones> IamNEGATIVECREEP, just leave please
<desrt> at least back in the day the idiots and assholes had huge drone networks
<desrt> these days they just have a keyboard and lots of stupidity
<mjt> damn damn russians...
<drspin> slept, Forgot I mounted /proc
<mdz> IamNEGATIVECREEP: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-pt
<drspin> slept, warty@ubuntu:/ $ grub-install '(hd0)'
<drspin> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
<Amaranth> desrt: It's the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory
<zenwhen> hey Agrajag
<zenwhen> :*
<zenrox> hay Agrajag
<zenwhen> Theres a menu editor for gnome 2.10 now
<slept> drspin: yes
<Amaranth> zenrox: Where?
<andrewski> zenwhen: only now?!
<zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=99760#post99760
<zenrox> ya zenwhen  and its nice
<zenrox> but it wont let me create new catorigy
<zenwhen> meh
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> NIRVANA is very cool!!!!!!!!
<zenwhen> I dont need a new one
<Amaranth> oh, that's mine
<Amaranth> i think
<drspin> slept, my thought exactly... I also tried /dev/hda and I get the same thing
<Amaranth> you can't create new categories or delete things yet
<Amaranth> its just 0.1 :P
<andrewski> mdz?
<zenrox> Amaranth,  get to work then and fix it
<zenrox> lol
<odie5533> Is there a special package of Eclipse for Ubuntu?
<Amaranth> zenrox: Nah, I think I'll let it sit around for a couple months now.
<zenrox> Amaranth,  lol
<slept> drspin: mount the partition again, then try grub-install --root-directory /mnt/.../boot/grub (hd0)
<Amaranth> I've totally rewritten it twice since that version.
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> bye
<zenrox> Amaranth,  also think about drag and drop menu maken
* mode/#ubuntu [-o mdz]  by ChanServ
<Amaranth> zenrox: I'll add that in 0.9 :P
<ajmitch> Amaranth: rewritten with the nice features of python-xdg to handle placing files in the right place, merging menus?
<Amaranth> python-xdg is absolutely worthless
<zenrox> lol
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> fuck
<Dillweed> drspin: or you can just use the grub interface to install grub again.
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> fucking
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> shit
<zenrox> ya hes had probs with python-xdg
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> fodam-se
<andrewski> mdz?
<Gandalfar> any tips on getting multi-monitor support in hoary 'just working'?
<Amaranth> I use it for displaying the menus but I can't see how it does anythign else.
<IamNEGATIVECREEP> filhos da PUTA
<Myrtti> phew
<mjt> idiots.
<Dillweed> 13 year olds
<mdz> today is a day for trolls, apparently
<zenrox> mdz yep
<Myrtti> indeed it is
<zenrox> so duck and cover
<ajmitch> Amaranth: ah, the documentation is lacking but it appears to be useful
<dopez> <IamNEGATIVECREEP> just showed the world why we need regulated birthcontrol
<Dillweed> how come there are no channel admins there?
<Dillweed> here*
<Amaranth> ajmitch: Show me a use. :P
<mjt> there are
<zenrox> Dillweed,  dont need them
<LinuxJones> Dillweed, there are
<Myrtti> Dillweed: there are, but they don't show themselves publicly as
<Dillweed> oh
<SeeleyUSMC> Hrm...can someone look at this for me?  Its info I've gathered from Ubuntu about my wireless card and connections: http://seeley.pesd.net/wtf.html
<Amaranth> ajmitch: As far as I can see it's only use is displaying the menus, not editting.
<ajmitch> Amaranth: things like moving & adding entries?
<Amaranth> ajmitch: Except for writing .desktop files
<zenwhen> I used it to add some appications that were missing
<zenwhen> Its working fine.
<Amaranth> ajmitch: Show me how it does that. :P
<slept> drspin: did things change with --root-dirctory ?
<Amaranth> ajmitch: I've read through the code a couple times, I don't see anything.
<ajmitch> Amaranth: like in Menu.py?
<Amaranth> ajmitch: addDeskEntry() doesn't do what you think
<Amaranth> ajmitch: All that code is for parsing an existing menu, afaics.
<Kate> hello
<ajmitch> Amaranth: ah well, something for you to work on then :)
<Amaranth> ajmitch: hehe
<Amaranth> Don't expect menu editor 0.2 for a couple years then.
<drspin> slept, not at all -- I just repartitioned again -- brb
<SeeleyUSMC> why does iwconfig say I have no wireless extensions?  It sees that I have the card...
<Kate> does anyone know how to make a winmodem work in ubuntu?
<iapx8088> gosh
<iapx8088> I got 286mb of updates
<Kate> thats a lot
<Myrtti> iapx8088: that's life, my friend
* Amaranth bbl
* iapx8088 agree
<SeeleyUSMC> Also, when I try to mount my windows partition (ntfs) to read my MP3 files, etc, nothing really seems to happen in Hoary
<iapx8088> what about -v
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, you need to sudo to make changes to the entries ?
<Amaranth> LinuxJones: Yeah.
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: can u access your ntfs drive?
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, ok jsut checking
<Amaranth> LinuxJones: I wasn't follow the spec because no one seems to know how the spec works.
<LinuxJones> *just
<Amaranth> err, following
<Amaranth> that's now how it's supposed to work
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, haha
<LinuxJones> Amaranth, great stuff :)
<Amaranth> heh
<Amaranth> gtg
<Kate> win modem in Ubuntu, anyone?
<LinuxJones> bye
<Kate> bye
<Zugot> i've almost got beagle installed
<SeeleyUSMC> I tried what the help menu stated (can't remember off of the top of my head what it was) and it didn't give any errors, except that /mnt/windows was empty with an ls search
<zenwhen> Kate: what winmodem?
<Kate> my one
<Kate> i cant get the internet to work in ubuntu
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: what happens when you mount your ntfs drive?
<SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: nothing
<WillCooke> kate, Have a look at the "wvdial" package.  It "just works"
<slept> seeleyuscm: did you -t ntfs mount , do you have the ntfs module loaded
<iapx8088> WillCooke, also with a winmodem?
<SeeleyUSMC> i have it mount to /mnt/windows and nothing shows up in there
<pussfeller> there an easy way to encrypt a file or directory
<Kate> where do i get that from?
<WillCooke> iapx8088, Ahhh.  Sorry, so the problem is that the modem doesn't work, not that it won't dial?
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: i think you need to mount /dev/hd* (whatever your ntfs drive is) /mnt/windows
<iapx8088> WillCooke, didn't understand still
<SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: did that
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: for example my ntfs would be mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
<M_Fatih> hey, bye all thanks for all answers.. :)
<SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: I believe thats what I did with a few other parameters that the Ubuntu help section showed
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: PS  you have to do it with a sudo...I believe
<SeeleyUSMC> yes, i did that
<Kate> WillCooke	
<Kate> kate, Have a look at the "wvdial" package. It "just works"- where do i get that from?
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: does it produce any errors?
<WillCooke> kate, it'll be on the install cd.  "sudo apt-get install wvdial"
<arek> kate first get your modem working
<SeeleyUSMC> and thats what I don't get about Ubuntu...where is the root?  Or is there a root?  I'm so confused...its different from mandrake and redhat
<arek> than wvdial
<SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: no errors
<Kate> my modem works under windows
<Myrtti> SeeleyUSMC: no root, everything done by sudo
<SeeleyUSMC> wow
<zenrox> Kate, thats cause its a winmodem
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: as far as i know there isn't a root by default, but if you do a sudo passwd then it will activate root.
<iapx8088> no root for today
<Kate> makes sense lol
<stuNNed> no rootsies bootsies
<SeeleyUSMC> so i only need to have one user account and then just sudo if  I need to do something as root?
<Xappe> hmm, give me suggwestions on how to partition a system with one 120 GB HDD (with windows and ubuntu. I will do a fresh ubuntu install and rebuild my nice desktop from scratch) and one 300 GB HDD
<arek> kate what model you got?
<Xappe> -w
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: right.
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: that's probably the best way
<sysrq> ... root doesnt need to be activated, users can exist without passwords just fine, they just cant be used via normal login
<iapx8088> mh
<dabi> where can i change roots pswd?
<iapx8088> passwd?
<spades> sudo passwd root
<arek> dabi: sudo passwd root
<stuNNed> sudo passwd
<stuNNed> will do it afaik
<Kate> Agere systems pci softmodem
<Dillweed> my question is why my graphics card get 2000fps less when running ubuntu over other linux systems
<stuNNed> *activate* the root account
<stuNNed> but it is disabled by default
<slept> no sudo passwd root - just sudo su or sudo -s
<Myrtti> I love this sudo thing, I hated playing around with root things
<phxguy> Can Someone Here Help me get the Java plugin installed with mozilla firefox 1.0.1???
<SeeleyUSMC> Well right now I only have one user and the sudo password seems to be the same as the user's password.  If I do sudo passwd, does that change my user and root passwords or just the one to access sudo?
<sysrq> Dillweed: are you running wtih the proper drivers and glx support
<jnoon> if i install the hoary preview installation cd, will it automatically upgrade me to stable when that comes out?
<iapx8088> automagically
<iapx8088> no
<Dillweed> sysrq: yes.  both os's have the 6629 drivers and the xorg.conf is technically the same
<stuNNed> sudo passwd will activate teh root account, set it to whatever yo want
<LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, that would be your password since the root account is locked
<jnoon> iapx8088, if i dist-upgrade?
<iapx8088> jnoon, you should issue a pair of apt-get to upgrade to hoary stable
<iapx8088> jnoon, that' why apt exist :)
<sysrq> stuNNed: it won't "activate" it, it simply sets a password
<phxguy> I am having trouble installing java for firefox.... can anyone please help me out here???
<stuNNed> sysrq: what's the difference?
<jnoon> ok, just wanted to make sure if i installed preview, it wouldnt require me to start over when stable comes out
<drspin> slept, boooooooooo
<sysrq> stuNNed: the fact that saying activate means nothing
<iapx8088> jnoon,  of course not.
<SeeleyUSMC> so the regular account that I have now is the root account pretty much being that it shares the same password and all...so if someone figures out the password to the user account, they can do whatever?
<Kate> so should i try the sudo apt-get install wvdial thingy?
<stuNNed> sysrq: setting the password activates it, no?
<Zugot> i got beagle installed
<slept> drspin: did you get thigs to work ?
<phxguy> I am having trouble installing java for firefox.... can anyone please help me out here???
<phxguy> I am having trouble installing java for firefox.... can anyone please help me out here???
<drspin> slept, it seems that I have to get booted from the HD using a floppy in order to install grub onto it -- how dumb
<Zugot> i like beagle... good software
<Kate> ive been trying for the better part of a month to get this thing working...
<stuNNed> phxguy: isn't there something about that on the wiki?
<sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: no, it has access to root privs through sudo though
<drspin> slept, root@ubuntu:/home/warty # grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda5 '(hd0)'
<drspin> cp: listing attributes of `//lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1': Unknown error 524
<stuNNed> Kate: pppconfig (sp) works best here
<phxguy> i dont know.... I followed the instruction that came with java
<Kate> ...
<ace2001ac> does ubuntu have a mp3 player installed by default?
<arek> kate you need special driver for that modem you can find it here http://www.modemsite.com/56k/lucentamr.asp
<SeeleyUSMC> BTW, can someone please look at http://seeley.pesd.net/wtf.html ?  It shows output I wrote down from Ubuntu while having trouble getting my wireless card working...i'm in the windows partition right now because I can't connect with Ubuntu
<SeanQ> ace2001ac, yes..rhythmbox
<Zugot> phxguy, i bet you copied the files.... instead of doing a ln -s
<SeanQ> but you will need to install gstreamer-0.8-plugins
<Kate> at this stage im willing to try almost anything
<ace2001ac> SeanQ: cool, is that in main or universe?
<spades> phxguy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: did you do a iwconfig wlan0
<drspin> ace2001ac, search google for "RestrictedFormats" and the first thing that comes up is the ubuntu wiki that will help you
<phxguy> Zugot: I created a Symbolic link using ln-s
<cowbman> hey I'm a linux newbie and I have a sound problem
<Kate> im still lost
<SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: iwconfig
<ace2001ac> thanks
<phxguy> but when i go to test it after restartying firefox.... it says i need the plugin
<SeanQ> main i believe
<Myrtti> ln -s, right?
<SeanQ> ace2001ac, try "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins"
<cowbman> I have two sound cards and I want to know how to tell the system which should be the default sound card
<drspin> chroot /mnt/hda5
<drspin> root@ubuntu:/ # grub-install '(hd0)'
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 429: /dev/null: Permission denied
<drspin> /sbin/grub-install: line 431: /dev/null: Permission denied
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: if i remember right iwconfig will list what is up and running you need to iwconfig wlan0 (or whatever your wireless card is) to get it working.
<SeanQ> DrSpin: try grubinstall /dev/hda1
<Dillweed> drspin: go into the grub cli by doing the command :grub
<slept> drspin: when you chroot you always have to mount /proc
<SeanQ> go with them
<SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: I don't think it even knows that my wireless NIC is a wireless NIC at all
<SeanQ> i'm a bit out htere
<stuNNed> iwconfig is kewlios, iwlist scan comes in handy as well :D
<Kate> anyone know what im looking for?
<SeeleyUSMC> Dillweed: if you look at that link it will show you
<klo> hy, someone of you know how to send mail from evolutionmail cause i ve tried so many times, thanx
<Dillweed> SeeleyUSMC: i did
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You have an Atheros chip, right?
<Dillweed> brb have to reboot. trying a new kernel
<sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: perhaps you need the correct modules loaded for it
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: yes
<nvashi2> hello all
<drspin> Dillweed, ok now what
<drspin> ?
<srbaker> how do iget the update-notifier to show on myu panel?
<nvashi2> drspin he had to reboot
<stuNNed> Kate: (a) install drivers for modem  (b) install software to connect  (you can use scanmodem.gz from linmodems.org to tell you where to get drivers from)
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Use synaptic to (a) enable the multiverse repositories and (b) install the linux-restricted modules.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: is synaptic included in Ubuntu?
<SeanQ> yes.
<Kate> still very confused...
<Myrtti> yes
<SeanQ> it is.
<slept> drspin: try to remove --purge grub and reinstall it (chrooted)
<drspin> nvashi2, no worries -- I'm overclocking my other system as far as I can ATM :)
<mdz> SeeleyUSMC: synaptic is included and installed by default in Ubuntu
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: yes it is.  It's the package manager.
<Kate> i hate this...
<jnoon> iapx8088, is hoary preview to a point where i could run it as my main os without worrying too much?
<Myrtti> jnoon: yes.
<slept> kate : whats the problem
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
<Myrtti> most likely yes
<jnoon> cool, thanks
<SeeleyUSMC> ah
<iapx8088> jnoon, mmh can I tell you after this upgrade :D?
<Kate> i cant connect to the internet using ubuntu
<jnoon> :)
<iapx8088> Kate, we know.
<Kate> lol
<cowbman> does anyone know how to fix sound problems?
<Kate> slept asked
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, its a vector image app, similar to adobe illustrator: http://www.inkscape.org/
<iapx8088> www.linmodems.org
<drspin> slept, don't know about removing it completely... sounds like it could do more harm than good
<Kate> im there now
<iapx8088> Kate, i guess writing "I can't connect to the internet" in a shell would help more
<srbaker> how do i get rid ofthe exchange connector button in the toolbar at the bottom?
<iapx8088> bash is getting smarter and smarter these days
<slept> kate: did you find out which kernel module you need ?
<drspin> nvashi2, what's with the DCC??
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: how am I supposed to use anything on the net if my only connection is through wirless?  I don't have a hard connection at all
<Kate> ...?
<cowbman> hello?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  How are you on the net now?
<iapx8088> Kate, www.linmodems.org or open a bash terminal and write "I can't connect to the internet" at the prompt
<SeeleyUSMC> windows xp wireless
<Myrtti> indeed
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: what does 'iwconfig' say?  does it list something on ath0?
<sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: copy the required .deb onto a floppy?
<slept> drspin : you can do a safty copy of your menu.lst but the rest can't get worse, it might help if other parts of the configuration are messed up
<spiral> hi
<stuNNed> hi spiral
<Kate> what would that do?
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: no wireless extensions at all
<cowbman> anyone got a chance to hear me?
<SeeleyUSMC> sysrq: So I just find a .deb package that I need for the atheros module and bring it to ubuntu?
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: it is orinoco card needing madwifi drivers?  yes then you will need linux-restricted-modules-yourkernelversionhere
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: its an atheros
<DarthFrog> stuNNed: It's an Atheros card, needs madwifi.
<Myrtti> cowbman: if your question was "can somebody help me with the sound problem", then you need to be a bit more precise on the problem to get some help
<slept> drspin : do you have grub installed on more then one partition ?
<slept> drive
<cowbman> ok
<cowbman> here it is
<cowbman> I have two sound cards
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: can you copy the required .deb that matches your running kernel onto a disc or something and install from that with dpkg -i ?
<cowbman> xmms is working
<drspin> slept, no just /dev/hda5
<cowbman> but I am hearing no default sounds
<Kate> k
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: then run 'sudo network-admin' and set it up?
<Kate> im gonna restart now
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: is this warty or hoary?
<slept> drspin : did it work before ?
<cowbman> warty
<Kate> hopefully i'll come back soon
<Kate> lol
<drspin> Dillweed, I'm in the Grub console -- now what do I do?
<stuNNed> Kate: good luck
<Kate> thanks
<Kate> i'll need it
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: I can put it on a usb memory stick if ubuntu lets me read it or i can burn a disc.  I'm running hoary
<Kate> cya
<slept> drspin: boot console ?
<sysrq> SeeleyUSMC: the memory stick should work
<drspin> slept - no in my chroot
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: find out what kernel version you're running with 'uname -r' then copy linux-restricted-modules package that matches that kernel from ubuntu's online archive and use 'dpkg -i name_of_deb' to install it, then insert your card and it should see it from teh giggidy giggidy go
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: then use network-admin to set up your connection
<slept> drspin : if you can't get grub to wor you can try lilo
<phxguy> Please help with Java installation....
<LordGrunt> heya
<phxguy> Please help with Java installation....
<drspin> slept --
<stuNNed> phxguy: it's quite simple really, check the online docs
<spades> phxguy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
<LordGrunt> how to get kernel headers for 2.6.10-5-386 ?
<phxguy> spades: i followed those instruction and I am getting an Error
<drspin> slept, what was the uninstall option for apt-get
<phxguy> Error occurred during initialization of VM
<phxguy> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
<stuNNed> LordGrunt: apt-get them?
<Jeezis> I'm having a problem getting fglrx to work -- modprobe fglrx and get "Error inserting fglrx: No such device" (on a laptop with a mobility x800)
<flop> hay alguien que sepa si hay alguna pagina en espa?ol
<stuNNed> LordGrunt: linux-kernel-headers_$kernversion
<slept> drspin : try dpkg -P grub
<flop> el barca va ganando la liga
<flop> han quitado las estatuas de franco
<mdz> stuNNed: no, linux-headers-<version>
<mdz> LordGrunt: linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
<LordGrunt> stuNNed: the package you said is there, but no version appendix on it
<stuNNed> mdz: sorry thanks patnah
<mdz> linux-kernel-headers is something different, and yes it is confusingly named, and yes we plan to change it :-)
<flop> yvonne ha ganado el gran hermano vip 2
<stuNNed> LordGrunt: linux-headers-<version> like mdz mentioned :] 
<phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
<knewt> bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the right place to go to request a bugfix patch be applied to firefox in hoary, right?
<flop> adios por5 culo
<LordGrunt> stuNNed: ok, got them :)
<mdz> knewt: yes
<lrojas> hi all
<stuNNed> hi lrojas
<slept> flop : en inglaise por favor, no entiendo
<lrojas> i was wondering if anybody here runs Cedega under ubuntu and would i have any problems with it?
<zenrox> flop or #ubuntu-es is that right
<lrojas> flop : si no sabes ingles dilo en espanol y te tradusco
<knewt> mdz: ta
<odie5533> Is there a way to get rid of the huge navigation bar in Nautilus?
<codyman> i just installed knetworkconf and it says ubuntu is not officially supported.. but it gives me a list of other distros and asks what is the most similar.. i'm guessing debian but what debian build i.e. sarge, wood, etc.
<phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
<phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
<cowbman> how do you set the default sound device? I am new to linux
<nkiesel> hi all, installed new hoary preview on a gateway notebook and after reboot it hangs in "starting hotplug subsystem"
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You might be able to download the linux-restricted modules deb file from http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/base/:
<lrojas> so? how about it guys, anybody uses cedega?
<DarthFrog> No colon at the end of that URL, though.
<phxguy> nkiesel: I had the same problem..... had to unplug all my usb devices......
<slept> does anyone know somethig similar to modconf which is no in ubuntu ?
<phxguy> nkiesel, I also have a gateway pc
<drspin> slept, update-grub is trying to set everything to /dev/hda7 --- which WAS the old partition before I removed the NTFS -- now it's hda5 -- how is update-grub determining /dev/hda7 ??
<nkiesel> phxguy: there are no USB devs connected
<lrojas> :'(
<sandwitch> slept, /sbin/modprobe ?
<nkiesel> phxguy: also tried with/wo docking station w/wo network
<phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
<slept> sandwitch no I'm looking for an gui thing
<Kate2> hi
<Kate2> im back
<phxguy> nkiesel, i just removed my usb devices and it worked for me..... im kinda new to be of any help
<sandwitch> sorry cant help slept
<spiral> hmmm... did anyone get "color problems" with ati while booting ?
<phxguy> So can someone help me with this Error:   Error occurred during initialization of VM  java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
<spiral> hmmm, at the graphical login to be more precise
<Kate2> i still cant connect with ubuntu
<lrojas> Cedega advice needed here...
<nkiesel> phxguy: just joined, what java app do you want to run?
<sandwitch> connect to what Kate2 ?
<Kate2> the internet
<garrut> Kate2: what kind of connection do you have?
<Kate2> dialup
<Xenguy> Kate2: tried pppconfig ?
<sandwitch> network is ok Kate2 ?
<garrut> oh, that's been a while :)
<phxguy> im just trying to get it installed and the plug-in to work in Firefox... followed the instruction @ java.com and also the notes on ubuntuguide.org#jre
<Kate2> yes
<Xenguy> sorry, nm
<sandwitch> is it dsl or what ?
<Kate2> everything is right with the settings
<Xenguy> sandwitch: dialup
<Kate2> would the startup message have anything to do with it?
<sandwitch> you have an ip ?
<Xenguy> Kate2: what is the error then?
<ol4l> how do i get in the cosy calendarbackground thats availible in ubuntu?
<Kate2> after i log in, it says GNOME may malfunction because Debian isnt in /etc/hosts
<Kate2> or something
<Dillweed> phxguy: have you looked at this link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
<sandwitch> lol Kate2
<lrojas> what is it about me, that ppl ignonore me....
<phxguy> i willl now Dillweed
<Kate2> my ISP gives me one when i connect, i think
<sandwitch> you need to add your hostname to /etc/hosts
<SeeleyUSMC> Should the .deb package for the restricted modules only be about 22kb?
<Kate2> thats kinda hard, considering i cant access /etc/hosts
<spiral> hmmm... anyone knows if somebody is working on updating the openoffice.org2 testing packages ?
<sandwitch> you should be root
<garrut> sudo vi /etc/hosts?
<Kate2> that was in root
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Yes.
<SeeleyUSMC> cool
<Kate2> it says permission denied
<garrut> was your modem detected Kate2?
<sandwitch> does it exist ?
<Kate2> i think so
<AndyR> lo all
<sandwitch> ls -la /etc/hosts
<Kate2> its there in device manager
<Kate2> its got the latest version or wvdial
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: oops, hold on.  I think you might have the wrong package.  What is the full name?
<slept> drspin: small sumary : you can't chroot install , when you boot grub doesn't get to command line ? and else ?
<Kate2> some one told me to update it, but it doesnt need it apparently
<sandwitch> if you do an `ifconfig -a`in your term Kate2 ?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I think I gave you a bum steer.
<Kate2> no
<SeeleyUSMC> linux-restricted-modules-686_2.6.10-6_i386.deb
<Madeye> guys, How to point my personal domain to my adsl connected box?
<Kate2> ive never used linux before, so please forgive me if im ignorant
<binbrain> is there a package for gtk-sharp-2.0
<binbrain> i see gtk-sharp-gapi
<binbrain> thats not it is it?
<garrut> Madeye: apache
<sandwitch> echo "somehost.somedomain 127.0.0.1" >> /etc/hosts
<slept> drspin: try lilo if you don't get any further with lilo
<iapx8088> Madeye, dyndns.org ddclient
<Madeye> garrut, I mean, How to point my personal domain name to my office box?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, that looks to be the right one.  That's for the linux-image-2.6.10-6-686 kernel. If it doesn't match your installed kernel, it won't work.
<LordGrunt> now, im scared. i want to remove nvidia drivers and it says i need to remove linux-386,linux-restricted-modules***(several)
<SeeleyUSMC> I'll download it and then check my kernel with 'uname -r' to see if it matches.  That should tell me my kernel version right?
<Kate> that better
<LordGrunt> wth?
<Rene_S> How much of the userguide still works on Hoary ?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Yes.  But you downloaded the 686 version.  The default kernel is probably a 386 kernel.
<zenrox> Rene_S, about 80% of it
<alankelon> hi! I don't want to generate a flamewar, but could somebody point me why I should switch from Debian Sid to Ubuntu?
<Rene_S> Cool, the rest I can probably learn as I go
<alankelon> what's the real advantages?
<Xenguy> alankelon: depends entirely on your intended usage IMO
<DarthFrog> alankelon: ubuntu is an excellent desktop version.
<zenrox> alankelon,  easy ubuntu newer packages than sid and more releaces and better releace secdualy
<alankelon> Xenguy, I'm a desktop user
<zenrox> secduale
<zenrox> crap
<SeeleyUSMC> If I just downloaded the hoary-preview-install i386 its probably the i386 ... makes since to me
<garrut> typing is hard
<Xenguy> alankelon: Ubu has a very nice desktop IMO
<Kate> i need a new computer....
<slept> alankelon: xorg, if you need it and a shorter release time  - gnome 2.10 instead of 2.6
<LinuxJones> alankelon, 6 month releases, 18 month support/release, same day inclusion of Gnome on release day, excellent community
<DarthFrog> alankelon: It's backed by Canonical, with paid developers.  It's stable and up to date.  Plus the concept of ubuntu is wonderful.
<alankelon> Xenguy, isn't it GNOME?
<munki> heh.. the question is not "why" it's "why not?"
<Kate> im thinking about getting an external modem- would that help?
<alankelon> slept, I'm using gnome 2.8
<Xenguy> alankelon: yes, very nice, minimalist implementation
<iapx8088> Kate, get a cable modem and live free
<drspin> what's the kernel param to speed up my drives?? idecore=66
<DarthFrog> Kate: An external modem is always a better option.
<drspin> ??
<Kate> im a broke highschool student
<LinuxJones> alankelon, there is kubuntu for kde lovers (3.4 currently)
<alankelon> DarthFrog, is there the concept of "development" release, like sid?
<Kate> your making me drool
<munki> alankelon : if you don't feel like using ubuntu then don't, but if you feel like trying or using ubuntu then do it !
<JonasNZ> why do i not get a graphical environment after doing a default install in vmware?
<alankelon> LinuxJones, thanks!
<garrut> you can pick my old one up for free Kate2 :)
<LinuxJones> alankelon, you run gnome ?
<alankelon> munki, :-)
<DarthFrog> alankelon: Yes.  It's called Grumpy Groundhog.
<Kate> lol
<Kate> thanks
<alankelon> LinuxJones, yes, I do.
<Mguel721> Can anyone help me w/ this?  configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
<Kate> but how would it get to Australia?
<cf> JonasNZ, install the vmware tools
<LinuxJones> alankelon, I am sure you'll be very happy with Ubuntu :)
<DarthFrog> Mguel721: Install gcc.
<slept> alankelon: ubuntu is almost the same , just some packages which are newer. I think I'm confident with my change from sid - but I needed xorg
<JonasNZ> cf, ok
<sandwitch> Mguel721, `whereis gcc`
<zenrox> Mguel721,  do a sudo apt-get build-essential
<sandwitch> even etter :)
<alankelon> slept, oh :-)
<sandwitch> better
<munki> yeah.. Debian uses the old xf84-server
<JonasNZ> cf, at which point, after boot and ive logged in to a vc
<munki> old and.. yuk! :P
<Mguel721> ok hold on!
<alankelon> is there anyway to change from Sid to Grumpy Groundhog? :D
<garrut> Kate2: a friend of mine is going there this summer :)
<zenrox> Mguel721,  in a terminal
<alankelon> s/anyway/any way/
<cf> btw JonasNZ version 4.5 has to be patched before using
<munki> Ubuntu uses Xorg, witch is faster and more.. yebiiie !
<munki> ^^
<JonasNZ> cf, im using 5rc3
<sandwitch> is that proven munki ?
<cf> iinstead sign the beta tests at vmware
<DarthFrog> alankelon: Hoary Hedgehog is the equivalent to Sarge right now. It's in pre-release stage, so there is no grumpy just now.
<alankelon> DarthFrog, hmm.
<munki> sandwitch : yup, tested it myself.. Gnome 2.8 s*cked on my old Slackware installation using Xf86
<drspin> does anyone have any idea where I can find where update-grub gets all of it's information --
<alankelon> let me try to ask again
<munki> sandwitch : but it rules on ubuntu
<sandwitch> and it wasn't you install munki ?
<lrojas> once more, guys, anybody has or is running cedega in ubuntu?
<DarthFrog> alankelon: Hoary will be released in April.  Grumpy will likely be respawned then.
<alankelon> is there any way to change from Debian to Ubuntu *without* install it?
<lunitik> sandwitch: is it proven that xorg is faster than xfree? yes... by many people, and numerous tests
<LinuxJones> alankelon, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
<DarthFrog> alankelon: Yes.
<Xenguy> alankelon: that's got to be a FAQ :-)
<alankelon> I said in any place a script to transform red hat sistems to debian ones
<munki> sandwitch : nah, think i'm pretty handy in Slackware, used it for 3 years..
<munki> before that I used FreeBSD :o
<Kate> ok, this is gonna get very ugly very soon, if it doesnt start working lol
<cf> lrojas, yes it's works depending of the games
<alankelon> hehe
<alankelon> :D
<alankelon> thanks, guys!
<sandwitch> that's no proof
<lrojas> cf, what do you mean? can i run WoW?
<munki> sandwitch : for me it is ?
<alankelon> let me read right now
<garrut> Kate: does your modem make any noise when you try to connect?
<sandwitch> are there anywhere benchmarks i could read ?
<Kate> Kate: does your modem make any noise when you try to connect?- no
<slept> alankelon : some of the debian packages e.g. nvidia are newer so you would break things -don't just edit sources.list.
<^thehatsrule^> doesnt have to
<^thehatsrule^> could be silent
<Kate> i tried pon, but it just comes up with another line
<garrut> lrojas: a friend of mine is running wo using cedega
<LinuxJones> alankelon, a fresh install might be better, only takes about 20 mins
<cf> read the thread at transgaming forums about WoW
<lrojas> ok, other than that i should be ok then
<munki> sandwitch : let me write it down in another way.. I like Xorg better than I like xf86
<munki> happy now ?
<alankelon> ok, people :)
<cf> i have run with succes pain killer ; hl2 ...
<ol4l> bye! tanx for the help!
<Mguel721> THANKS FOR THE HELP, GUYS, I got it - goodbye for today!
<sandwitch> lol munki i guesed that allready
<slept> munki: why ?
<SeeleyUSMC> stupid windows can't read my flash usb...grrr won't format it either
<zenrox> Mguel721,  n/p
<lrojas> should i use Xorg instead of Xfree?
<sandwitch> my question is why and where can i learn that :)
<lunitik> sandwitch: heres one: http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2005-February/006317.html
<munki> f~slept, do I need to explain it to you also ? :)
<DarthFrog> lrojas: yes, in Hoary.
<sandwitch> thnx lukewarm
<sandwitch> solly
<lunitik> sandwitch: faster in almost every case
<sandwitch> lunitik
<slept> drspin : did you give up ?
<zenrox> slept,  i would have
<zenrox> lol
<Kate> i actually hit the monitor yesterday- bad idea as it turned out....
<lrojas> Hoary is 4.1 or 5.1 preview?
<SeeleyUSMC> Well, off to burn a copy of the restricted modules, do what was suggested, and see if it works.  Oh, and maybe I can figure out how to format my USB flash memory stick in linux so I can actually use it...stupid windows
<garrut> i do have a spare monitor, but that's even harder to get to australia
<psi> hi. i just upgraded to hoary, and while it didn't upgrade to xorg by itself, i managed to do it manually. now, however, if i run apt-get upgrade it wants to install xfree86 again.
<Kate> lol
<Kate> no i meant for me
<Kate> my hand swelled up and i couldnt type with my right hand for a few hours
<lunitik> sandwitch: actually kinda funny, cuz the dude says its slower... but his benchmarks disagree...
<Kate> it developing a nasty bruise
<drspin> slept, I think I may have fixed it lemme reboot - I'll brb
<Kate> quite funny if you think about it
<cusco> jeez
<garrut> arenlol
<cusco> so many...
<garrut> oops
<Kate> i invented a new swearword- fick
<cusco> look... Im having some problems... maybe some one can help me
<garrut> that's wgat you said when you bruised your hand? :)
<Kate> yeah
<cusco> Im have little expereince with linux...
<garrut> hehe
<Kate> along with shuck
<zenrox> cusco,  like want
<zenrox> wehat
<zenrox> what
<Kate> i was tired....
<nvashi2> kate: you get online yet?
<^thehatsrule^> Kate as in the editor? ;p
<cusco> I installed my linksys wpc54g and it works
<cusco> with ndiswrapper
<cusco> but I loose internet all the time
<sandwitch> lunitik, well it woul not convince me but than agian who am i, i tried the first realease of xorg and ita was ok bt not better maybe ow it is .. who knows i dont :)
<dabi> hmm my screen just freezed and nothing happens.. but i can connect to it from network.. :S rare..
<cusco> I only have internet 5 in 5 minutes for 20 seconds
<sabmoc> anyone know how to pipe stuff directly to the gnome-print dialog?
<iapx8088> how to recompile the kernel with the present configuration
<lunitik> sandwitch: 6.8.2 is *much* faster than 6.7.0!!!
<iapx8088> bob2, did you tell me make oldconfig, last time?
<cusco> and with cable... my internet is fine
<slept> iapx8088: make oldconfig works
<iapx8088> kk
<lunitik> sandwitch: especially for startup speed!
* SeeleyUSMC is backing up important files incase of problems...
<sandwitch> i'll try it thaen lunitik problem is i'm on sid but i'll servive :)
<cusco> please...
<cusco> I strugled today with the /etc/network/interfaces
<lrojas> isnt Hoary a preview? wont it be dangerous to install?
<sandwitch> pardon my french
<zenrox> lrojas,  nope
<cusco> and with the ifup ifdown
<zenrox> lrojas,  hoary is basckly stable
<cusco> strugled if should be static ip or dhcp
<lrojas> kay
<Kate> grrr i hate this stupid peice of shuck
<optika> lrojas: it's getting very close to final. Many people are using it quite happily :) The biggest problem is that there are still quite a few updates per day
<lunitik> sandwitch: just add 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse' to sources.list
<zenrox> lrojas,  and its almose gold too
<^thehatsrule^> so use it if you got fast internet ;p
<sandwitch> *noted thx lunitik
<lunitik> sandwitch: you even get new KDE and GNOME etc
<sandwitch> i dont want kde with respect :)
<Kate> i'd settle for linux that connects to the internet...
<lunitik> sandwitch: um... but its still there    :/
* lunitik will forever think its funny that so many hate KDE's 'bloat'... but use something that *feels* slower  :/
<optika> hrm, I read the other day that there are some serious performance increases in the newest versions of gtk
<garrut> 
<slept> kate : did you find out which kernelmodule to use ?
<lunitik> optika: I've used the newest gtk... still feels slower than qt 3.3.3
<sandwitch> explain feels lunitik
<nvashi2> I am confused why can't kate connect
<Kate> as am i
<Kate> kernelmodule?
<lunitik> sandwitch: faster load times.. faster refresh of widgets/windows in general
<optika> lunitik:  :-/ I agree that qt feels faster. The reason I don't use it is that I really don't like how it looks.
<garrut> what kind of modem do you have kate?
<Kate> a winmodem
<sandwitch> of kde ?
<slept> kate : the driver for the hardware
<garrut> which type
<lunitik> optika: use a diff theme?
<sandwitch> were on a differnetorld you and i
<sandwitch> oeps
<sandwitch> excuse me
<lunitik> Kate: www.linmodem.org
<optika> lunitik: I've tried quite a few. There's still something that bugs me about it, and I can't pinpoint it :-/
<psi> what does it mean that packages can't be 'authenticated'? i get that all the time in hoary when i install stuff with apt
<Kate> ive been there
<Dillweed> how can I edit menus in gnome?
<lunitik> Dillweed: in hoary?
<Dillweed> lunitik: yes
<garrut> oeps is met een o ;)
<sandwitch> right klick Dillweed
<lunitik> Impossible currently without editing config files
<lunitik> sandwitch: no
<optika> psi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
<sandwitch> ?
<sandwitch> I can
<Dillweed> sandwitch: i did :)
<lunitik> sandwitch: you're not using hoary though
<Dillweed> sandwitch: nothing happens
<sandwitch> no i m not
<lunitik> sandwitch: you're using 2.8, not 2.10
<sandwitch> thx noted also :)
<lunitik> sandwitch: don't argue, kthanks  :P
<jalal_ubuntu> plz how to change the ascii code system in ubuntu ?
<Dillweed> or better yet, where is the menu config file?
<psi> optika: thank you
<optika> np
<slept> does anyone know how to use direct rendering with RV 280
<lunitik> sandwitch: they pretty much crippled the menu's in 2.10
<Amaranth> they didn't do it on purpose
<Amaranth> they changed the menu system
<Kate> i have $32 AUD and it looks like i'll be spending it getting the interent working
<sandwitch> stupid buggers then :)
<Amaranth> they are following the menu spec from fd.o
<optika> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/ <- someone was talking about this as a menu editor the other day. Haven't tried it myself.
<Amaranth> it's a good thing
<cusco> ok so I installed my wifi pcmcia card with ndiswrapper, but my internet conection is really weird.. I only have internet 5 in 5 minutes time for some 20 seconds
<lunitik> Amaranth: and left out the ability to edit it...
<Amaranth> optika: that's mine
<Amaranth> lunitik: lack of time
<optika> Amaranth: oh, look, that's yours :)
<sandwitch> what's the prob then Amaranth ?
<cusco> its rally anoying me.. maybe some one knows some... and may help me
<garrut> Kate: hitchhike to holland and pick up mine ;)
<Amaranth> optika: it can edit current entries and create new ones
<lunitik> Amaranth: how is not being able to edit menu's a good thing?
<drspin> booooooooo
<Dillweed> Amaranth: i tried it, I was trying to change the terminal settings to accept --geometry=115x40, but it doesn't save it.
<lunitik> Amaranth: and lack of time is a bad excuse... most gnome devels are paid
<Amaranth> lunitik: it wasn't intentional
<Kate> \Kate: hitchhike to holland and pick up mine lol too far
<nvashi2> drspin: did it work ?
<slept> drspin: things work now ?
<Amaranth> Dillweed: Did you click the save button? :)
<drspin> nvashi2, slept, no workie :(
<Dillweed> yes
<Amaranth> lunitik: Wrong.
<Amaranth> Dillweed: odd
<Kate> u could post it
<Kate> lol
<sandwitch> paid gnome devs ?
<Dillweed> Amaranth: yes,  it will save the --geometry but not the =115x40
<lunitik> Amaranth: more GNOME devels are paid than KDE devels... but KDE has a menu editor  :/
<slept> drspin: did the error message change ? or still 22
<Amaranth> lunitik: KDE created the menu system the fd.o spec is based on
<sandwitch> your trolling lunitik :P
<garrut> Kate: that would probably be cheaper :)
<Amaranth> lunitik: of course they have an editor
<Kate> yes
<drspin> slept, still 22
<Dillweed> where is the file for the menus anyways?
<rem> hey anyone knows how to configure a media player through a proxy server (w authentification..)..? beep f eg ..
<lunitik> sandwitch: eh... somewhat intentional... you have no idea how annoying not being able to edit the menu is after a while...
<sandwitch> I figure
<Alinux> hello, why there is no nvu in Ubuntu repository?
<Alinux> for Hoary I mean.
<sandwitch> brb gotta fetch some wine
<slept> drspin: try lilo, chroot, mount proc remove grub, install lilo (, reboot, change back to grub)
<garrut> i can put it in the mail on monday Kate :)
<Kate> hoary comes out soon... starts doing a dance
<Kate> ok...
<optika> rem: does beep not respect the gnome network proxy settings?
<Amaranth> Alinux: it isn't really a popular app, it hasn't been around long either
<rem> nope
<lunitik> Kate: it will be a simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade here  :/
<rem> non of the players seem to fo ..xmms zinf etc ..
<Dillweed> Amaranth: did you see my problem with menu editting?
<JonasNZ> is there a way to rerun the installers auto network config util from a vc
<drspin> Alinux, it works fine if you install it according to ubuntuguide.org -- you just have to run it as root
<Kate> lunitik- what do you mean?
<Alinux> the problem Amaranth is that with crossover Dreamweaver sucks...so I need something similar :\
<rem> it seems to work if i take the authentification away, but i need it ..
* sabmoc is away: onBlur();
<lunitik> Kate: exactly what I said...
<drspin> Alinux, it's definately not done yet but a GREAT start -- useable!
<Alinux> why is not possible to made a ubuntu .deb?
<rem> installed nvu dwn from their website v0-90 works fine ..
<drspin> LOL sabmoc
<rem> 81 didnt ..
<Kate> lunitik: its got the lates wvdial
<drspin> rem, good to know :)
<lunitik> Kate: I am using hoary right now..
<lunitik> Kate: I have the latest
<rem> ..in warthy...waiting for hoary stable ..
<sandwitch> so back cheers :)
<Kate> lunitik: huh? i meant a stable version
<rem> ...did anyone configure a media player through proxy ..?
* lunitik thinks when things are declared stable upstream... they are stable  :/
<garrut> has anybody had problems with x crashing while running vmware?
<Kate> lol
<lunitik> garrut: buy me a liscense for vmware, and I'll test  :)
<garrut> hehe
<^thehatsrule^> garrut - you have to install vm tools
<Kate> bleh
<garrut> i have
<Kate> i need a break for water
<^thehatsrule^> oh?
<|QuaD-> lunitik: i got a license for free from linux world expo :)
<rem> apt-get install aMule ;)
<^thehatsrule^> then whats the error?
<Kate> i'll be back in like half an hour/ an hour
<alankelon> bye
<rem> ->lun
<^thehatsrule^> do you have a [EE]  ?
<lunitik> |QuaD-: you suck... I wanted to go  :(
<Kate> probably
<Kate> bye
<|QuaD-> lunitik: hehe :)
<cusco> so I supose nobody can help me :(
<garrut> ^thehatsrule^: nothing, thats the problem, it just crashes without any messages
<zenwhen> what was your question cusco
<^thehatsrule^> no error messages?!
<lunitik> garrut: run from cli... it should say *something*
<^thehatsrule^> how can that be...
<critter> Has anyone had any trouble with xmms after upgrading to hoary?
<^thehatsrule^> well when X crashes, it kicks you back to cli anyways
<rem> /var/log/syslog.. ?
<lunitik> critter: if you're using nvidia drivers... I get to slap you
<^thehatsrule^> so you can see the msgs usually
<cusco> ok... I installed my wifi card with ndiswrapper
<cusco> ok so I installed my wifi pcmcia card with ndiswrapper, but my internet conection is really weird.. I only have internet 5 in 5 minutes time for some 20 seconds
<critter> Slap away :-)
<cusco> and with cable my internet is fine
<garrut> i'll recheck for error messages tomorrow, i don't want x crashing now :)
<^thehatsrule^> lol... x is fine now?
<sandwitch> ndiswrapper is that new ?
<critter> lunitik guess theres no fix for that yet
<cusco> sandwitch: what do you mean?
<garrut> yeah, but when i start vmware i lasts for about 15 min/ half an hour and then suddenly crashes...
<lunitik> critter: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
<sandwitch> i thougt ndiswrapper is winblows
<cusco> ndiswrapper is to use windows drivers under linux
<sandwitch> aargh
<sandwitch> the horror
<cusco> sandwitch: can you find broadcom drivers?
<rem> tail -f /var/log/syslog -> garrut .. ?
<nvashi2> cusco: ah there may have ben a linux driver for that wifi card
<sandwitch> i just look if a chipset is suppoted for i buy :)
<cusco> nvashi2: its a broadcom chipset
<garrut> rem: nothing..
<cusco> wpc54g from linksys
<nvashi2> cusco: has been known to happen
<rem> k
<cusco> nvashi2: if there is.. where can I find  it please? would be great
<nvashi2> ah linksys has linux drivers
<jmhodges> hey, folks
<cusco> nvashi2: not for this one. believeme
<nvashi2> the router runs linux as well
<cusco> they emailed me back
<jmhodges> for some reason, my loopback gets assigned an ipv6 address and 127.0.0.1 won't work as loopback
<lunitik> critter: its fixed upstream... but is a glibc bug... so won't be fixed in hoary.
<jmhodges> anyone know what i need to do to change it back permanently to ipv4?
<drspin> nvashi2, slept, I think I figured it out -- I'm making a wikipage!!
<drspin> nvashi2, slept, lemme try it -- back in like 10
<nvashi2> kewl wil give it a look
<cusco> anyway before I suceeded to have it propperly working with ndiswrapper
<gratuit> hey, I was just wondering if anyone knew how to enable mp3 support in k3b, I want to burn some mp3s to a disc, but it says it is an unsupported format
<cusco> but now... I only have internet conection sometimes
<lunitik> gratuit: apt-get install akode-mpeg should be enough
<cusco> its really really weird
<lunitik> (its in universe)
<nvashi2> it is set to one channel or just trying them all
<cusco> nvashi2: trying them all
<carlos> hello i can't run one hard drive conect by fireware or usb 2.0 .anyone can help me.?
<Gandalfar> mdz: you take care of apt-get in ubuntu?
<cusco> no channel is set
<cusco> ssid is set
<rem> apt-get install akode-mpeg -> no package (Univers or multiverse..)
<rem> ?
<rem> warty
<gratuit> lunitik: I still get the same error, I'm using hoary btw
<rem> gratuit did u get apt-get install akode-mpeg ..?
<carlos> hotplug/pcichp.ko:operation not permited and i can't run fireware or usb2.0 hard drive
<gratuit> rem: yeah
<critter> lunitik I dont think this nivda bug relates to problem Im having.. Xmms opens fine even loads playlist . Just will not actully play music. And will not close down no matter what I do
<rem> hmm i guess its on ly in hoary then .. :(
<png> rem, it is in hoary
<rem> k
<odie5533> Is there a good chess game for Ubuntu gnome?
<odie5533> :D
<Gandalfar> I get W: GPG error: http://www.morphix.org ./ Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
<Gandalfar>  error
<TQuid> Hi folks!
<carlos> hello i can't run one hard drive conect by fireware or usb 2.0 .anyone can help me.?
<drspin> OH YEAH!
<drspin> :)
<TQuid> That funny sound problem I've talked about here a couple of times appears to  be restricted to GNOME.  Anyone know what might make that difference?
<^thehatsrule^> er... in ubuntu, is there a way to set a default proxy or SOCKS 4/5?
<drspin> the scripts wouldn't install from the LiveCD but a manual isntall worked just fine -- after I remembered the way GRUB handles partitions ;)
<Gandalfar> how do I disable gpg checking in apt-get?
<sandwitch> what 's wron with morphix Gandalfar
<mjr> odie5533, not gnome per se, but try xboard, which uses gnuchess for AI
<sandwitch> wrong
<^thehatsrule^> any idea?
<slept> drspin : so you have the grub boot shell ?
<rem> anyone knows how to configure any media player through a proxy ..?
* drspin wonders if I should file a bug report
<drspin> slept: I'm booted into my system :)
<cusco> ^thehatsrule^: computer - preferences - network proxy
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: ubuntu doesn't like its repositorie
<nvashi2> ah yes you should
<drspin> nvashi2: with Ubuntu or the developer of the grub scripts?
<slept> drspin : great, did you fix the  menu.lst ?
<^thehatsrule^> alright... what about socks?
<sandwitch> where you looking for Gandalfar ?
<cusco> ^thehatsrule^: have a option to put socks in there
<drspin> slept: update-grub does just fine at that :)
<^thehatsrule^> kk
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: stuff that isn't in ubuntu
<^thehatsrule^> thanks
<drspin> I have like 8 kernels on here...
<phanter> hello, which smtp server does ubuntu install ?
<drspin> not sure why
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: 'ibuild'
<rem> zinf it doesnt work with athentification, others (xmms...) either didnt work or havent found the option/syntax..
<TQuid> phanter:  postfix.
<sandwitch> holdon
<drspin> does the Warty liveCD have qtparted on it?
<Gandalfar> samiam: I should know, I'm the upstream :)
<Gandalfar> ups, sorry, sandwitch
<drspin> not warty I meant Hoary
<phanter> oke, so how can i start postfix by hand as a background process (usually it starts automaticly, but since I am on wireless it did not)?
* slept  for hours but still tierd
<nvashi2> Cusco: is it based off the BC4000
<drspin> thanks for the help nvashi2 && slept
<cusco> nvashi2: hold
<nvashi2> drspin: np
<dash> anybody know the name of the source package for ipw2200 drivers?
<drspin> nvashi2: what are the options for ide_core=  66, 100, 133??
<cusco> nvashi2: the one I have is... BCM94306
<phanter> dash: linux_wlan_ng
<aspuru> Hi all, what is the comand for 're-configuring X' in ubuntu (dpkg-reconfigure ____ ?)
<TQuid> phanter:  /etc/init.d/postfix start should do it.
<aspuru> I am getting an error when installing the nvidia module:
<SeeleyUSMC> Well I need the restricted modules for 2.6.10-4...
<apokryphos> aspuru: xserver-xorg
<aspuru> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
<aspuru> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
<aspuru> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
<aspuru> command:
<apokryphos> aspuru: if you've got xorg
<aspuru> apokryphos: Yes, Hoary with latest updates
<dash> phanter: Hmm
<sandwitch> well i see some issues on morhix.org Gandalfar http://www.morphix.org/content/blogsection/7/82/ but dont know if its of some interrest for you if you have a concrete quwstion i could forward it for you
<aspuru> apokryphos: This will choose the right resolution, etc.?
<dash> phanter: I do not see anything in there that saws ipw2200
<apokryphos> aspuru: you should get the option for that, yes.
<dash> er, says
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: I just want to apt-get install ibuild
<aspuru> apokryphos: I assume I have to do it with no X running ?
<sysrq> aspuru: doesn't matter
<apokryphos> aspuru: nope. You will just have to restart x for them to take affect
<cusco> nvashi2: i dunno what to do
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: the latest version is in morphix.org/debian repository, but ubuntu hoary apt-get update refuses it
<SeeleyUSMC> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386 <-- says that 2.6.10-4 is the same as 2.6.10.3-6?
<cusco> :(
<aspuru> thanks guys... trying :P
<nvashi2> 33 66 100 133
<sysrq> aspuru: what part of the error msg it gave you did you not understand
<phanter> dash: I think I downloaded the module from the Debian website. I think it is in unstable there, but you can search that site. And it works!
<knewt> yay, filed my first ubuntu bug report
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: it works nicely in debian unstable
<sandwitch> you know why Gandalfar ?
<sandwitch> well that ? your answer
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: I do, because gpgv fails
<dash> phanter: odd
<phanter> dash: maybe I am mistaking!!!! it is linux-wlan-ng (different lines) :)
<dash> phanter: oh. yes, i downloaded that
<dash> phanter: it is not in there
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: W: GPG error: http://www.morphix.org ./ Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
<aspuru> Shall I use the kernel framebuffer interface?
<aspuru> (With 'nvidia' driver?)
<Gandalfar> aspuru: no
<JDigital> Oh hey, what converts .ps to .pdf
<aspuru> Thanks Gandalfar
<Gandalfar> JDahl: ps2pdf
<sandwitch> Gandalfar, is it installed ?
<sandwitch> gpg that is
<JDahl> Gandalfar, ?
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: yes, it is
<JDigital> thanks Gandalfar
<sandwitch> sorry should asl
<sandwitch> ask
<Coily> what are the warty backports repositories (trying to upgrade firefox to 1.0.1)?
<phanter> dash: what is not in where? I did not add any reposities, but it is in my synaptic
<sandwitch> is it in path ?
<aspuru> For nvidia, I shall not use glx right?
<aspuru> (dpkg-reconfigure asks a lot of questions :P)
<sysrq> aspuru: have you read the nvidia README like you should have?
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: it is
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: just try it for youself ..
<Coily> anyone?
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: add :   deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./   to sources.list
<sandwitch> dont have aubuntu installgan
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: and then do apt-get update
<aspuru> sysrq: I have read it, and also the ubuntulinux pages
<nvashi2> cusco getting the info on that model but there should be a channel set
<aspuru> but I was getting a dark black screen
<Gandalfar> sandwitch: ok
<JDigital> Is there a way I can use lftp or something just to upload a file then quit?
<dash> phanter: "grep ipw2200 **/*" shows nothing
<aspuru> that I attributed tdo the fact that hoary is still in testing
<sysrq> aspuru: I doubt that because it states weather you need glx loaded or not
<sandwitch> i 'm just lurking here
<JDigital> hm, nm
<aspuru> arrg. One thing is reading it, the other is remembering all the details sysrq :P
<nvashi2> cusco: that matches the channel on the wap or router
<Coily> what are the warty backports repositories (trying to upgrade firefox to 1.0.1)?
<sandwitch> <inserts more wine>
<madstop> Coily, www.ubunbtuguide.org should help with that.
<nvashi2> arg he left
<phanter> dash: where did I mention it should. I am on this moment using that driver on my laptop (I am on wireless) and I installed it via linux-wlan-ng. And that command you gave me does not return anything in my bash...
<phanter> hey is there somebody who managed to get Photoshop CS running under wine ?
<phanter> How do I have to do that?
<sandwitch> why should you phanter ?
<Fackamato> learn gimp :P
<GNAM> i disagree distinction ubuntu/kubuntu
<SeeleyUSMC> If I have the 2.6.10-4 kernel is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386_2.6.10.3-6_i386.deb going to work?
<GNAM> no meaning for it
<aspuru> xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has
<aspuru>    been customized
<JonasNZ> do i have to do anything special so that i can install vmware tools
<JonasNZ> im using 5 rc3
<aspuru> What about that?
* aspuru wanted to regenerate xorg.conf :P
<phanter> Hey I just knew I would get those reactions over Photoplop, but I just love that programm.
<sandwitch> i agree ps cs is better than gimp but dont be a morron anf use it on os X or windblows
<dash> phanter: well
<dash> phanter: my ubuntu kernel contains a ipw2200 module
<dash> phanter: but i want the source :)
<garrut> i used to install photoshop with crossover office, but i don't use anything but he gimp now
<phanter> dash: go to the website and download it. What is difficult about htat
<nvashi2> you guys try Inkscape
<codyman> i have successfully installed my broadcom 64 bit drivers.. setup WEP keys etc. and when i use kwifimanager to "scan" it finds my network.. but it doesn't have a local ip? and the internet does not work
<dash> phanter: it is harder than typing apt-get ;)
<mdz> Gandalfar: yes
<phanter> nvashi2: inkscape produces Latex images... or am i mixing programms up?
<arek> phanter yo're correct
<Gandalfar> mdz: where is documentation for disabling gpgv for unofficial apt repositories?
<arek> inkscape package is broken in warty
<hone> has anyone here used monodevelop?
<nvashi2> ah mixing things  new SGV vector illustrator
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: If I have the 2.6.10-4 kernel is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386_2.6.10.3-6_i386.deb going to work?
<sysrq> Gandalfar: there is information on the guide for adding third party gpg keys to the apt keyring
<TQuid> I was just there a minute ago, in fact.
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: one sec
<Gandalfar> sysrq: ubuntuguide.org?
<SeeleyUSMC> k
<Coily> madstop, i have all the extra repositories from ubuntuguide installed, but firefox 1.0.1 is not appearing
<TQuid> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
<mdz> Gandalfar: on "man apt-get"
<TQuid> There ya go Gandalfar .
<mdz> Gandalfar: but it's better to add the keys than to disable authentication
<TQuid> Agreed.
<phanter> dash: I should not do this because it is easy to find but here you have it: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/linux-wlan-ng
<TQuid> Disabling authentication is like making a blank root pw.
<nvashi2> arek: what's broken in it?
<binbrain> i installed mono. it doesn't look like the .pc files were installed
<knewt> dri support for my system is only available in xorg cvs. is there an easy way to keep the appropriate dri bits around when the xorg packages get updated?
<nvashi2> just installed it today
<Gandalfar> mdz, TQuid, thanks. Still a bit confusing :/
<arek> nvashi2: no toolbox menu
<Coily> where do i find the firefox 1.0.1 package? i appear to have the warty backports repository... but im not seeing it
<arek> nvashi2: just empty space in toolbox menu place
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: yes
<drspin> does hoary LiveCD have qtparted by default?
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: should work
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: checked my setup cuz need nvidia driver which is in restricted
<SeeleyUSMC> cool.  I'll try out those steps you gave me.
<garrut> mmm pringles
<confrey> hieverybody
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: should do it esp if you're on hoary, i had issues with network-admin and warty but not in hoary the hedgehog!
<sandwitch> Coily, at least its in debian sid
<JonasNZ> is there anyway to kill the X environment
<Gandalfar> TQuid: what about unsigned repositories?
<JonasNZ> or to get to a vc
<sysrq> ctrl+alt+1
<JonasNZ> liek with ctrl + alt + F1
<JonasNZ> oh
<garrut> ctrl-alt-backspace
<sysrq> *f1
<confrey> I don't know why sometimes I can't reconfigure system network; the interfacefile seems correct
<Coily> Sander, do you think ill be alright using it?
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: this pkg is like 4.5mb a lot bigger
<JonasNZ> sysrq, doesnt work for me
<Coily> jdong released a firefox 1.0.1 package but i cant find it... help anyone?
<TQuid> Gandalfar, sorry, not sure about that.
<DarthFrog> Geez, the ATI Xorg drivers are a pain in the butt.
<DarthFrog> Anyone want to swap a Radeon 9800 Pro for a GeForce 5900XT? :-)
<stuNNed> Stereotype: hehe probly easiest to burn to cd or you can mount the flash drive but never done that in ubuntu before
<sandwitch> Coily, apt-show-versions mozilla-firefox
<sandwitch> mozilla-firefox/unstable uptodate 1.0.1-2 so its in unstable dunno about any ubuntu but guess so
<nvashi2> arek: I see what you mean cause i only have two rows and the menu running down the left side
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: just dkpg-i linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386_2.6.10.3-6_i386.deb and then sudo network-admin right?
<confrey> I can't use pcmciA; I have an adapter pcmcia -> compact t I can't mount it....
#ubuntu 2005-03-31
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Do the package install first.
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: sudo dpkg -i and sudo network-admin, yes
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know how to format a usb memory stick in ubuntu?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: then do ifconfig to see if you have an ath0 interface.
<phanter> dash: found it?
<stuNNed> SeeleyUSMC: might want to reload the card if it's pcmcia after dpkg -i before network-admin
<confrey> SeeleyUSMC, cfidisk
<sandwitch> mkfs.whatever /dev/sda1
<warty> hey guys, i am using the ubuntu live cd to get pictures onto a dvd of a corrupt windows partition... what program can i use to burn a dvd w/ the live cd?
<warty> it doesnt come w/ k3b
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: That was good advice from stuNNed.  Definitely take the card out and put it back in.
<sandwitch> is there a growisofs ?
<SeeleyUSMC> confrey: what would the location of a USB device be?
<Coily> wasnt there some change in fx 1.0.1 which screwed up the gnome theme?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: its internal to my laptop though?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Then "modprobe ath_pci".  The interface will be called ath0.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your USB stick will likely be /dev/sda1.   USB stuff is seen as SCSI, thus the sda.
<SeeleyUSMC> I really appreciate the help I'm getting here everyone.  I'm writing it all down
<arek> nvashi2: i got only left side bar
<confrey> DarthFrog, and how can I mount a cf inserted in an adapter on pcmcia?
<SeeleyUSMC> bbl, going to try this all out
<Codyman_> i am trying to connect to a wireless network.. every time i set the essid to the right essid then see if its connected it always still says "any"
<Coily> has anyone had luck overwriting their firefox 1.0 install with 1.0.1? copying files is boring =[
<nvashi2> arek: you might want to get the update
<DarthFrog> confrey: It's probably /dev/sda1, too.
<sandwitch> I'm gone later and dont forget ..... have phun!
<DarthFrog> codyman: How are you setting the SSID?
* sandwitch is away: weg
<arek> nvashi2: yes but i had to compile sane xsane and backends, hand genrate my locales, compile beep media player ... i will have lfs soon
<DarthFrog> W00t!  Kubuntu made Slashdot! :-)
<confrey> DarthFrog, no, I can't see anything about in messages after inserting it, I don't now what is missing
<DarthFrog> confrey: In /var/log/messages?  What does dmesg say?
<nvashi2> arek: kewl I burn LFS to cd but have yet to try it out
<Codyman_> DarthFrog: iwconfig wlan0 essid (insert name)
<jalal_ubuntu> how to make xmms as a default mp3 player
<DarthFrog> codyman: That should work.  What do you get from "iwconfig wlan0" after that?
<Codyman_> i'll go check
<Rene_S> Well, If i stick to Gnome only programs already made for Ubuntu the whole menu editing thing will go away hehe
<nvashi2> arek: wil get a detailed picture of my system that I am putting it on 1st
<DXT> im a bit confused, array 7 > preview (hoary)
<DXT> ?
<DXT> I mean, which on is more updated?
<confrey> DarthFrog, dmesg and messages are talking anything
<Coily> should i use the debian sid installer or mozilla's for firefox 1.0.1?
<Codyman_> DarthFrog: It still says "any" and also it says that encryption is off but i entered the WEP key.. whats the proper way to enter the key (40 bit)
<Coily> i mean, if mozilla's works fine why bother
<phanter> Coily: why not via apt-get ?
<DarthFrog> codyman: Bizarre.
<Coily> phanter, apparantly i dont have the right repositories because i cant find it
<DarthFrog> codyman: use the Ubuntu network tool?
<DarthFrog> confrey: Sorry, no idea.
<phanter> Coily: You are using synaptic?
<Coily> phanter, yup
<DarthFrog> confrey: Hang on, I'll try it with mine.  If I can find a CF card around here. :-)
<Codyman_> DarthFrog: I have (K)ubuntu so i am using kWIFIManager??
<phanter> Coily: Settings -> Reposities -> Enable all the reposities and it should be ready to rock
<confrey> is it possible to set different background in four workspace?
<jbailey> lunitik: I have the bug assigned to me to fix xmms and the TLS issue, and a patch onhand from upstream.  After RC I'm going to figure out whether or not the patch can be made sufficiently non-invasive to apply.
<warty> Hey guys how can i burn a dvd using the ubuntu live cd?
<Coily> phanter, all repositories are enabled =[
<Coily> phanter, and ive added everything from ubuntuguide.org
<phanter> Coily: You are using Hoary?
<Coily> phanter, ah no sorry warty
<Kate> hi
<garrut> welcome back :)
<Kate> how is everyone?
<Kate> thanks
<warty> Is there any way to burn a dvd using the ubuntu warty live cd
<Kate> guess how i wasted $20AUD?
<Kate> on impulse, i bought fedora core 3 :(
<phanter> Coily: sorry, dunno if it is in warty, BUT I cannot believe it is not. If it is not just go to the Ubuntu or Debian website and download the deb files. it can save you a lot of headache!
<garrut> you smashed something again?
<Kate> i have a serious shopping problem
<Kate> lol
<DarthFrog> confrey: Sorry, my wife has all the CF disks with her.
<Coily> phanter, alright ill check it out. do you have the name of the firefox installer? i can google it
<Kate> i had a bad experience with FC3... now its come back to haunt me...
<DarthFrog> Codyman_: Try it.  I don't think you can use it to set up networking.  You can install knetworkconf and use that, though.  Set it to Debian Sarge.
<phanter> Coily: well i have the link if you give me one sec.
<Kate> this is bad
<Coily> phanter, thanks
<Kate> maybe its better that i started on an easier distro... i dont know...
<garrut> ubuntu is easy, isn't it?
<Kate> i dont know
<Kate> getting the internet working is hard...
<Kate> lol
<garrut> hehe
<DarthFrog> garrut: Pretty easy, yes.
<Kate> ive been trying a month now
<DarthFrog> garrut: For the most part.
<thenuke> garrut: pretty easy yes
<confrey> DarthFrog, :) no matter... can you tell me about multiple background in gnome? is it possible ( as in KDE)?
<phanter> Coily: Again: you should be abled to find this yourself, bbut download what you think that you will need from this page: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
<garrut> yeah i know, i was talking to kate :)
<DarthFrog> confrey: I know next to nothing about Gnome, sorry.
<Kate> im not used to a command line yet though
<Coily> phanter, ya i found that before. i guess theres no ubuntu package?
<Coily> actually im positive theres a backports firefox 1.0.1 package for warty
<phanter> Coily: explain me the difference between a Debian and a Ubuntu package...
<Coily> there was a thread about it
<DarthFrog> Kate: The command line is where all the power is.  Conquer the command line and you'll truly be running Linux. :-)
<Coily> phanter,  please do :x
<crazney> hi there. does ubuntu have any nice gui tools for setting up samba shares?
<Kate> i'll get the hang of the command line eventually i hope
<Kate> but ive been basically a windows user all my life
<Rene_S> either that or the command line will hang you
<Kate> so im used to things not doing what you want them to do...
<Coily> ok thanks for the help. i wasnt sure if there was a difference
<DarthFrog> Kate: With Ubuntu, you don't *really* need to use the command line.
<phanter> Coily: there is none. Both are .deb files. Sometimes Debian is not as updates as other distro's but do not worry... everything you download from Debian is stable and secure (that is for shure !!!!)
* knewt is a command-line type person. ion is my window manager :)
<Kate> i cant get the internet working on ubuntu though
<Coily> hehe ok goo
<Coily> good*
<DarthFrog> Kate: Why not?
<Kate> thats what i want to know!
<ermo> I hear you. That internet never seems to work quite like one wants it to.
<Kate> no, i cant connect
<knewt> hmm. i wonder what part of the world Thom May is in
<DarthFrog> Kate: How are you trying to connect?
<garrut> it's time for broadband Kate
<^thehatsrule^> yes it is :P
<Kate> im a poor 13 yearold! how am i supposed to afford broadband?
<Coily> should i use the testing or unstable release (in general)?
<Rene_S> Convince your mom that it will keep you from doing drugs ... Parents are suckers for that
<xy77> Hi folks. A question concerning powernowd. It makes my mouse go crazy. I want to disable it by default. How to do it?
<Kate> lol
<thenuke> Coily: dont bother with testing, they really are Testing packages
<xy77> I cannot uninstall it, since ubuntu-desktop depends on it (somehow)
<Coily> thenuke, gotcha
<deville_75> how do i download using terminal?
<Kate> she wont take it seriously, she'll just stick me in counseling
<garrut> deville_75: wget
<ermo> Rene_S, ... then again, broadband has that 'addictive' quality as well..
<Rene_S> My line is Mom, its either 40 a month now, or 300 a day for heroin, your choice, then just walk away
<knewt> Coily: i moved from warty to hoary back at the beginning of march, about the same time pre-release as i did with warty
<Gandalfar> where can I get linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386
<deville_75> wget wut?
<Kate> lol
<_larry> how can use root on Hoary preview
<deville_75> just type in the filename after?
<garrut> wget<link>
<DarthFrog> _larry: ubusudo http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<garrut> if it doesn't work : man wget :)
<Coily> knewt, ooh maverick :O
<ermo> xy77, I read that as 'It makes my _house_ go crazy' - was thinking 'gee, I need one of those!'
<confrey> larry, sudo -s, insert user password and become root; then set root password with passwd
<DarthFrog> Gandalfar: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
<deville_75> oh, i c so wget and the link to the download
<xy77> Can someone tell me how I can safely disable powernowd? remove all S20powernowd and K20powernowd from /etc/rcX.d ?
<Coily> has anyone got a foolproof (and simple) method for upgrading to firefox 1.0.1?
<DarthFrog> xy77: That would work. :-) On reboot, they won't be started.
<Kate> ick
<Kate> i dont like firefox
<Kate> please dont hurt me
<knewt> confrey: i'd advise keeping root disabled and always using sudo personally
<ermo> xy77, install rcconf, then use it to disable powernowd
<xy77> DarthFrog: nothing to worry about on updates or such?
<DarthFrog> xy77: You can also "/etc/init.d/powernowd stop"
<xy77> ermo: rcconf, I'll check this one.
<ermo> xy77, it's a nice curses interface to control the current runlevel
<DarthFrog> xy77: They are only symlinks.
<xy77> DarthFrog: must be disabled on boot.
<ermo> xy77, which does things the 'proper' way
<phanter> hey I once used this program to draw pictures and this program did generate clean (text) LaTeX code from this picture. Does anybody know how that program is called?
<DarthFrog> xy77: You only need remove the one starting with S.
<confrey> knewt, I prefer to use root account, as in debian and in other distribution;
<DarthFrog> xy77: S = Start  K = Kill
<mjr> phanter, xfig?
<Coily> tryin again:
<Coily> has anyone got a foolproof (and simple) method for upgrading to firefox 1.0.1?
<phanter> mjr: could be.. I'll check it out. Thanks
<Kate> ok
<xy77> ermo: I looked for the proper way, thank you, rcconf is fine.
<knewt> confrey: so sudo -s when you need root?
<xy77> Thanks all for your help.
<Kate> well im gonna go and put what little energy i have left into destroying the computer so i get my own :)
<Kate> by
<Kate> *bye
<confrey> I have a laptop, cpu is a Sempron 3000+; I can use it (in windows) at 400 MHz too; not in linux : the smallest freq is 800 Mhz; why? there is a way to set cpufrq to 400?
<DarthFrog> rcconf is nice & simple. :-)
<confrey> knewt, yes, it's the same thing, but some services required a root account (cups admin and swat), so it's necessary - for me- to set the rroot passwd too
<DarthFrog> confrey: No, it's not.  There is a root account already.
<knewt> confrey: you should be able to configure them to not to need a root password
<munki> Ubuntu doesn't need a root passwd !
<munki> learn! :P
<confrey> knewt, bohh, I don't know very well, no matter; if you can, help me about cpu frq scaling to 400 MHz... :)
<ermo> xy77, btw, if you're interested in knowing a bit more about the details of booting in a debianized world, you could check out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-boot
<ermo> xy77, for extra credit, take a look at the debian policy manual. have a ball ;-^
<knewt> confrey: i use the command-line for configuring cups personally anyway
<SeeleyUSMC> grr!
<SeeleyUSMC> i did the dpkg -i for the restricted modules and after it installed them, nothing new seemed to happen
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Did you do "modprobe ath_pci"?
<SeeleyUSMC> iwconfig still shows no wireless connections, modprobe auth_pci shows a "FATAL: Module auth_pci not found"
<garrut> what's up with firefox not saving files?
<DarthFrog> ath_pci, not auth_pci.
<PacoBCN> guys, I have a weird problem
<SeeleyUSMC> ...
<confrey> knewt, I amn't so expertise
<munki> PacoBCN , tell ?
<SeeleyUSMC> I guess I wrote down the wrong thing lol
<^thehatsrule^> weird is nice
<PacoBCN> somehow whenever I try to see an html/php page under my local apache I get the download windows of firefox
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: what should I look for when I type modprobe ath_pci ?
<PacoBCN> It doesn't compile nor show anything, just make me download it
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Edit /etc/modules and put a line in there for ath_pci.  That way it'll be autoloaded on boot.
<PacoBCN> it was running perfectly yesterday
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: If it works, you should just get the command line back.  "lsmod | less" should show that ath_hal and ath_pci are loaded.  "ifconfig" should show an ath0 interface.
<|QuaD-> when are the bendy archives going to be made?
<munki> PacoBCN : when you enter http://127.0.0.1/something.html
<munki> you get the download window ?
<|QuaD-> not bendy, breezy :)
<DarthFrog> |QuaD-: Well, probably shortly after Hoary is released.
<William_Cain> Hello.
<isam> this could be an FAQ : I have Sarge, and liked Ubuntu .. changing the sources.list would do the job ?
<William_Cain> I have a question about the ATI driver.
<isam> or at least mostly ?
<munki> hello there William
<|QuaD-> DarthFrog: ok, has development on it started?
<PacoBCN> munki, thanks for the tip. Now it opens at least the html files but not the php
<PacoBCN> I always used http://localhost/
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: If all that is there, you're a happy camper.  Then you can get on with configuring the networking.
<PacoBCN> but doesn't seem to work any longer
<SeeleyUSMC> Alrighty!  BBL - Going to attempt :)
<munki> PacoBCN , that wasn't' a tip it was a question..
<DarthFrog> |QuaD-: I doubt it since Hoary isn't released yet.
<PacoBCN> PacoBCN, I know, but it helped :D
<knewt> PacoBCN: check that /etc/hosts contains an entry mapping 127.0.0.1 to localhost
<munki> PacoBCN : heh.. how would you else open the files on your server ?
<William_Cain> When I first installed Ubuntu, not even screensavers got frame rates above 10fps. I then installed the ATI driver, and everything worked fine. I got smooth graphics. However, after a few days, everything went back to the same old slowness...
<PacoBCN> munki, http://localhost/
<William_Cain> Has anyone else experienced the same?
<munki> oh.. PacoBCN check that localhost is mapped to 127.0.0.1
<yyc747> does the preview release of hoary have kde 3.4 (kubuntu, of course)?
<isam> William_Cain: are you still using the ATI driver in X configuration ?
<^thehatsrule^> did you update xfree?
<DarthFrog> yyc747: Yes.
<PacoBCN> munki, anyway, that's not the problem now, it's that it doesn't want to compile php files
<William_Cain> Perhaps I should have a look.
<smo> PacoBCN: That behavior's usually apache missing the AddType and/or LoadModule lines in it's config
<PacoBCN> smo, that's what I'm thinking also
<yyc747> PacoBCN: php files aren't compiled... do you mean "interpret"?
<PacoBCN> smo, but weird, since I didn't touch anything
<munki> PacoBCN , It shouldn't compile php files, but open them :) You did install the apache-php5 candidate ?
<PacoBCN> yyc747, yes, that's what I mean
<^thehatsrule^> you know where you configure the proxy/socks server in GNOME, is it only for GNOME or is it system-wide?
<William_Cain> Uhm, where is the X configuration file located?
<munki> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<^thehatsrule^> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
<isam> a quicky .. my system was installed as warty, but I moved (by apting, changing sources.list) to debian from it because of lack of proper KDE support.. and now with KDE 3.4, and Xorg I want to get back to Ubuntu
<William_Cain> I just found it as you were typing, hehe.
<^thehatsrule^> depends on what youre using ;p
<isam> will it work if I change back sources.list ?
<PacoBCN> php5? no, always used 4 here, didn't know 5 was available
<^thehatsrule^> lol... ver 5 has been out for a while
<PacoBCN> ok, wait
<munki> :) installed any php-server ?
<PacoBCN> seems that some packages got removed
<mjr> ^thehatsrule^, only gnome
<William_Cain> Would not having the folder called XF86Config-4 count as a bad thing?
<munki> apache think it's nice, to have php integration installed
<^thehatsrule^> mjr, so that means i cant use flux?
<PacoBCN> I'm upgrading tons of files everyday and sometimes it makes changes I didn't allow
<munki> PacoBCN : read the screen ? ;)
<yyc747> hoary has xorg, correct?
<^thehatsrule^> or is there another way or tool do config it in flux?
<William_Cain> I found it.
<mjr> ^thehatsrule^, why would it mean that?
<garrut> it's the computers fault!
<^thehatsrule^> well er... oh
<^thehatsrule^> i config it in gnome
<^thehatsrule^> then i can use flux?
<mjr> ^thehatsrule^, if you're using a browser that supports the gnome configuration options, it doesn't matter what WM you run
<Roey> hi
<mjr> and if the browser doesn't, well, you'll just need to set it separately
<William_Cain> Ok, the glx module is loaded in the X config file.
<Timbo> is laptop power management (matthew garrett's stuff) in the main kernel yet?
<Roey> what does ubuntu offer over debian?
<William_Cain> Does that mean that the ATI drivers are loaded?
<Roey> more often releases?
<^thehatsrule^> hm alright
<^thehatsrule^> i suppose games wouldnt work?
<William_Cain> Hmm, it does define fglrx as its driver.
<William_Cain> So it should work perfectly.
<Timbo> Roey: more up to date, less politics
<Timbo> more focused
<Timbo> tends to "just work"
<PacoBCN> I'm working around it...
<PacoBCN> all thes upgrades...
<_phoenix3051_> Roey:"more pretty" out of the box
<mjr> ^thehatsrule^, wouldn't work what? with fluxbox? why not?
<PacoBCN> sometimes I want to reformat everything and install from the latest array
<PacoBCN> ...
<Timbo> definitely a desktop distro though
<Timbo> and perhaps slightly less flexible than debian
<Roey> _phoenix3051_:  I see.
<Roey> _phoenix3051_:  with a better installer hopefully!
<Roey> _phoenix3051_:  is it possible to install Ubuntu from its livecd ?
<William_Cain> Ok, what else can be the problem, do you think? The ATI driver refuses to work.
<William_Cain> I've even reinstalled it.
<_phoenix3051_> Roey:much easier installer
<Roey> _phoenix3051_:  let me give you an example of what I wnat to do:
<_phoenix3051_> Roey:I'm not sure if you can install from the live CD.
<Roey> _phoenix3051_:  I want to run my four disks as a software raid5, with XFS as the filesystem on /, /boot, /media and /home.  Will I be able to do install this from the LiveCD?
<^thehatsrule^> mjr, no i mean if i specify socks/proxy server in gnome, then use flux, and play a multiplayer game... like quake3, would it work?
<Roey> _phoenix3051_:  ok.
<SillySilly> how can i set up su in kubuntu?
<garrut> Roey: i don't think so
<apokryphos> SillySilly: same as ubuntu
<LinuxJones> what font is xchat using by default, can someone check for me pls ?
<SillySilly> k
<Roey> garrut:  ok.
<SillySilly> monospace
<Nikopol> monospace 9
<Nikopol> oops
<LinuxJones> that's not the default tho ?
<William_Cain> Does nobody else have problems with the ATI driver?
<SillySilly> monospace is the default
<Nikopol> I think so - I haven't touched mine
<SillySilly> font size 9
<LinuxJones> SillySilly, something is messed up with my fonts then
<garrut> i don't use ati, but as far as i know the drivers suck
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ath_pci right?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Yes.
<SeeleyUSMC> Hrm
<SeeleyUSMC> Nothing is outputted when I type that
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What happened?
<William_Cain> They refuse to work anymore.
<SeeleyUSMC> I did add it to /etc/modules though
<niamh> Can I give a user the ability to halt the machine without entering their password, if I'm using fluxbox rather than gnome? "sudo halt" requires the password.
<garrut> is the module loaded?
<William_Cain> Yes, it is.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You typed "modprobe ath_pci" right? What happened?
<sysrq> niamh: the NOPASSWD option in sudoers
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: nothing.
<William_Cain> The drivers worked at first, but after a few days, they just suddenly stopped.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You got a command prompt back again with no output?
<William_Cain> Now it's like I didn't have them..
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Exactly.
<William_Cain> I didn't do anything special those days either.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: That's what's supposed to happen.:)
<_phoenix3051_> William_Cain: have you upgraded the kernel?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: oh
<William_Cain> No.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Did you do the rest of the stuff?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I added 'ath_pci' to the /etc/modules and then did if config
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ifconfig didn't show anything new
<SillySilly> man, tab completion sucks in ubuntu
<garrut> William_Cain: which kernel are you running?
<William_Cain> Let me check.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  What about lsmod?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: forgot to do that...that shows that they are loaded modules right?
<Nikopol> uname -r
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Right.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I'll go boot back into linux and try that out and get right back to you
<LinuxJones> SillySilly, how you mean ?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: But if the modules are loaded and you don't have an ath0 interface ...
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Run dmesg and see if anything shows up.
<SeeleyUSMC> will do
<niamh> sysrq, I'm not having a lot of luck with it. What should the line be, if not "username     ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: halt" ?
<William_Cain> I'm running 2.6.8.1.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You'll probably want to do it as dmesg | less
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: what does that show?
<Unbelievable> Is KUBUNTU the KDE version of UBUNTU?  I am interested in running KDE instead of GNOME
<SillySilly> if i were to do sudo synaptic, in other distros i'd be able to do tab completion on synaptic
<SillySilly> but i cant
<_phoenix3051_> Unbelieveable: yes
<mdz> Unbelievable: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with a KDE desktop rather than a GNOME desktop
<LinuxJones> SillySilly, it works fine for me
<SillySilly> Unbelievable, yes it is
<mdz> Unbelievable: /join #kubuntu
<sysrq> niamh: user ALL = NOPASSWORD: /path/to/halt
<Unbelievable> Thanks
<Nikopol> SillySilly, avoid the sudo
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  "Less" will pipe the output to the screen, one screenful at a time.  Use the spacebar or arrow keys to proceed.  dmesg will give a report on the system;it's extremely useful.
<Nikopol> SillySilly, add sudo after doing the tab completion with a 'home'
<William_Cain> Should I upgrade to Hoary?
<William_Cain> To test?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I might not be here when you get back. Time to walk the dog.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: gotcha
<SeeleyUSMC> thanks
<William_Cain> Or wouldn't the drivers work better there anyway?
<niamh> sysrq, ah, a full path required. cheers!
<Nikopol> SillySilly, but I agree it's a pretty naff work around ;)
<SillySilly> yeah
<SillySilly> it is
<Nikopol> I think it's inevitable with sudo - but I may be wrong
<Nikopol> it will only autocomplete the first command
<Nikopol> it then assumes you don't want two commands in a row
<Nikopol> or somethign to that effect
<Nikopol> of course you could set up a root account
<SillySilly> ok, got su working
<SillySilly> i like su better anyway
<sysrq> or just use sudo -s
<sysrq> heh
<Nikopol> problem solved then :)
<Nikopol> sysrq, didn't know that one - good tip!
<SillySilly> comcast is upgrading me this week hopefully
<SillySilly> yeah, tab completion definately sucks
<odie5533> What is the best Java IDE and where can I download it?
<dreamwave> hi.  well, i've got ubuntu installed.  but it never asked me for a root password.  anyone know what the default it?
<^thehatsrule^> root is disabled by default
<^thehatsrule^> use 'sudo' to use account
<^thehatsrule^> i mean priveleges
<Demitrius> I am a bit new to linux and I am running hoary right now, and I wanted to get kubuntu
<dreamwave> so, how do i go about running apt-get by hand?
<Demitrius> so I tried sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<LinuxJones> dreamwave, as an example sudo -s (enter your user password) will give you a root-like terminal
<dreamwave> hmmm
<Demitrius> but it could not find it
<Demitrius> or
<Demitrius> KDE
<^thehatsrule^> dreamwave: 'sudo apt-get install file'
<dreamwave> wild
<apokryphos> Demitrius: sudo apt-get update
<Demitrius> ok
<apokryphos> dreamwave: are you sure you're running hoary?
<Demitrius> its updating
<dreamwave> apokryphos, yep.  just installed the preview release.
<apokryphos> dreamwave: sorry, wrong person!
<apokryphos> Demitrius: you definitely on hoary?
<Demitrius> yes
<dreamwave> sudo -s did it for me.  thanks for the help.  ah.  okay.
<jnc> P.S. Hoary preview = my savior for business
<jnc> thank y'all
<^thehatsrule^>  -s?
<apokryphos> Demitrius: join #kubuntu
<Demitrius> it still could not find it
<Demitrius> ok
<^thehatsrule^> oh
<jnc> i am confused, how to change the language?
<jnc> there is 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' but then gdm language is not changed
<regeya> wally world run
<PacoBCN> just wondering why, while all the gnome menus items are in spanish, the 3 main titles "Applications, Places and System" are in english
<LinuxJones> jnc, do you have to install the language support ?
<jnc> LinuxJones: i do not
<jnc> as a prank, i installed with bulgarian language on a friend's mother's computer
<jnc> the friend was freaked out (good!  mission accomplished)
<LinuxJones> jnc, heh
<jnc> his mom was not comfortable with bulgarian, and asked for english
<jnc> LinuxJones: the friend is a bulgarian guy, into the usa when he was 14-15
* aspuru got nvidia working thanks to everybody for their helpo
<jnc> so the language is only minor trouble for him
<jnc> his mother was not happy with bulgarian text on the computer
<manchine> anyone here using nicotine as slsk client?
<manchine> it has several issues in hoary
* aspuru is now working on the second "saturday project"... my broadcom / ndiswrapper card. Does anybody have experience with it? I can't get it to iwlist scan (find) my router 
<LinuxJones> jnc, try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
<jnc> interesting
* aspuru has followed the FAQ's, etc. and things seem to be kosher (the module is loaded, the driver loads fine, dmesg doesn't report any problems, the network configurator 'activates' it, but when I do iwconfig wlan0, I get no reasonable configuration
<jnc> console-data would affect gdm?
<jnc> that is funny
<LinuxJones> jnc, try it
<aspuru> wlan0     No scan results
<jnc> LinuxJones: i will try to remember that one, thank you
<LinuxJones> jnc, ;)
<holycow> hey :)
<jnc> the target machine i um, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdaaa'd it
<jnc> i was so fustrated
<jnc> :)
<holycow> hey i'm not fan of ubuntu, but wanted to give you guy props
<holycow> with ubuntu on the rise and announcement of kubuntu  i think you guys are kicking some ass :)
<holycow> lol finally someone managed to get everyone excited about debian
<LinuxJones> holycow, your a kde guy ?
<holycow> nice work people
<holycow> no i'm just happy with debian
<LinuxJones> holycow, ahh
<apokryphos> LinuxJones: we're like a plague ;)
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, your not a kde guy ??
<jnc> holycow: Ubuntu is seriously easy to use.   i love to tinker around, but Ubuntu ... doesn't need much tinkering
<holycow> lol and ubuntu users seem to be as rabid as gentoo folks, which i think is a good thing, debian really needed a shot in the arm
<LinuxJones> jnc, ;)
<jnc> it works. beautifully.     (provided your hardware kicks ass)
<jnc> i tried it on a few 64mb ram machines.  bad freaking idea.
<WW> Actually, libranet got me started with debian.  But 2.8.1 is old...
<holycow> jnc not really ... i've had gnome on 64 meg p300's
<LinuxJones> WW, I used Libranet for a while
<apokryphos> LinuxJones: I am :) My kde ranting all the time... ah yes.
<jnc> with all respect to the KDE people, i like that Ubuntu is GNOME based
<holycow> it's usable, obviously not speedy like a 3ghz cpu with a nice nvidia card but ... *shrug*
<LinuxJones> apokryphos, I won't hold that against you pal :)
<mjr> well, running gnome with 64 megs is surely possible, but not very pleasurable :)
<WW> LinuxJones: I still have it on my laptop, but now my home computer is Ubuntu, and my office computer is sarge.
<jnc> simply because it is so completely different from Mac or Windows
<jnc> i mean, not reinventing the wheel different
<apokryphos> LinuxJones: ;)
<jnc> but the trash is not on the screen, there's no start menu
<jnc> no crap that i am so sick of with windows
* aspuru also LOVES ubuntu
<LinuxJones> WW, I found the compile kernel option in adminmenu usefull, I like not having to bother compiling kernels anymore :P
<jnc> ugh! kernel compile.   those are fun
<jnc> you do 50-60 of those and it's like, "okay, time to menuconfig.  i've got my cup of (drink liquid) and (snack food) ready.  let's go linux!"
<LinuxJones> jnc, alot of bs getting things running on Debian a few years ago :)
<speedy2782> what is your favorite money manager for Ubuntu?
<jnc> LinuxJones: yes!
<jnc> speedy2782: gnucash = new hottness
<jnc> the learning curve is high if you don't know about accounting already
<MMond> Instant messengers.. I'd like to use them in terminal, any that are offered at the present time?
<jnc> MMond: good question
<foreach> jnc - but learning gnucash can be done of course
<gratuit> MMond: I know there is an AIM client made with ncurses
<jnc> foreach: *i'm TRYING*
<jnc> believe you me
<LinuxJones> MMond, I don't know of any :)
<mjr> MMond, well, for irc, irssi is good
<sysrq> MMond: you can use bitlbee with any cli IRC client
<foreach> jnc - I haven't started - I downloaded it a little bit, and well, I didn't have much luck
<jnc> MMond: i was about to say, maybe not IM but for IRC i am using a combination of 'screen' and irssi
<mjr> for jabber, there's imcom, which I happen to think sucks, but it is there :)
<jnc> foreach: if you like, we can find someone who knows and work together
<mjr> and cabber
<foreach> jnc - That's real nice of ya. Sure thing.
* LinuxJones notes it time for a few drinks
<holycow> as well, i might add that you guys have proven that debian could do very well with time based releases
<gratuit> MMond: yeah, the aim client I was thinking of is called naim
<holycow> your patched snapshots of debian on a regular interval is brilliant too
<markybob> why does vmware require that it be run as root in ubuntu?  i've never had this problem with any other distro.  how can i allow normal users to run it in ubuntu?
<LinuxJones> holycow, by the sounds of it the Debian guys are getting a little worried about folks leaving Debian for more up2date distros
<crimsun> holycow: to be fair, libranet (and others) have been doing it for some time.
<holycow> crimsun, true *nod*
<holycow> LinuxJones, yeah, well they are comming here
<holycow> and for good reason
<Zepp> Why do i have to enter certain keys twice before they appear on screen like  key and ^
<LinuxJones> holycow, supporting all of those architectures that .02 % of users actually use is a tremendous waste of resources
<MMond> sorry about the delayed response, but I'm here now. irssi, yes, but other than IRC . . . perhaps AIM, yahoo, msn.. for strict CLI, and naim.. I'll check it out, thanks
<holycow> LinuxJones, heh, there is the counter argument to that which is, not everyone uses the inferior x86 technology
<holycow> >_>
<LinuxJones> holycow, but mob rules :D
<holycow> lol so true
<jnc> LinuxJones: P.S.  say 'up2date' again and i fwap you with a harmless foam bat
<Zepp> alot of people would say bothering with linux is a waste of resources when only like 1% or whatever of people use it
<Zepp> :
<Zepp> :/
<gratuit> LinuxJones: then use windows?
<LinuxJones> jnc, go ahead and give me a slap :)
<jnc> :)
<crimsun> up2date is a great alias for sudo apt-get update
<jnc> *redfwap*
<LinuxJones> gratuit, why would I want to do something like that ?
<gratuit> LinuxJones: if the mob rules, then clearly it's better
<Zepp> No one can answer my wierd keyboard problem?
<SeeleyUSMC> Well, it turns out that ath_pci and ath_hal are loaded modules...but I don't know what to do now
<jnc> Zepp: i didn't catch the question
<LinuxJones> gratuit, x86 is cheap and works well for desktop stuff.
<Zepp> Why do i have to enter certain keys twice before they appear on screen like  key and ^
<gratuit> LinuxJones: in fact I do agree with you though, supporting 11 archs is a little overkill
<jnc> Zepp: oh okay
<jnc> i've seen that once before
<jnc> sorry i don't know right away the cause of it
<Zepp> hmmm
<Zepp> :(
<jnc> Warty?
<iapx8088> [OT]  is ps a graphical format? I mean I don't see the search key in gnome-postscript
<Zepp> Kubuntu hoary preview :P
<mjr> iapx8088, it's generally not searchable
<iapx8088> is it a lack of the program or it's impossibile to search a ps
<iapx8088> mjr I suspected that.
<mjr> though in special cases you may be able to get away with grepping the source ;)
<iapx8088> mjr I see.
<JDahl> iapx8088, in general you cannot search a PS since the text doesnt necessarily appear as strings in the document
<iapx8088> another thing, did anyone try nerolinux
<gratuit> iapx8088: well, with text recognition, it's possible to search any graphical format to some extent.... so there might be something out there that can
<iapx8088> gratuit, I guess I'll simple print and ocr it  to sgml :)
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: are you back yet?
<WW> iapx8088: Maybe try ps2pdf or some other conversion first.
<iapx8088> WW I'm trying
<jnc> i have to ask, why is 'xpdf' used and not 'gpdf' ?
<jnc> gpdf prints much easier
<ikaro> gpdf its justa gui
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed: are you here?
<jnc> is it!?
<WW> jnc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/gpdf/view?searchterm=xpdf
<crimsun> (yes, it is)
* jnc looks
<jnc> well then, why is it not installed by default i wonder
<jnc> it is in 'restricted'
<jnc> i don't understand
<Zepp> So know one knows how to solve my wierd keyboard problem where have to hit button twice. damn
<crimsun> restricted doesn't mean it's not installed by default
<crimsun> remember linux-restricted-modules is installed by default
<jnc> oh!
<jnc> i am new, forgive me
<jnc> and thanks
<crimsun> np
<jnc> i've been hacking away at linux 8 or 9 years now
<jnc> still things suprise me when they are blindingly simple
<iapx8088> hoary is just fine
<iapx8088> I'm astonished
<iapx8088> mhmmh
<jnc> ^^^^^
<jnc> :)
<sysrq> jnc: I believe restricted implys restrictive a license
<jnc> sysrq: i thought so
<sysrq> *a restrictive license
<jnc> however, it reads that gpdf lacks features
<jnc> and that is why it was put into restrictive?
<jnc> i don't know
<odie5533> Why does ubuntu have so many programs running?
<mjr> gpdf isn't in restricted, it's in universe
<jnc> hardware detection maybe
<jnc> oh
<jnc> my mistake
<crimsun> odie5533: compared with what, openbsd?
<odie5533> windows!
<jnc> it is in universe then
<jnc> each program has a seperate memory space
<jnc> if one dies, the others are not affected
<crimsun> odie5533: most of those processes are essential to the function of your gnome/kde/desktop
<jnc> yep
<jnc> with windows, it's not really protected
<LordGrunt> heya
<jnc> one dies, and corrupts a block of memory with your sales report
<jnc> you're stuck
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, hi
<jnc> ubuntu does not have trouble like this
<LordGrunt> i want to remove nvidia packages from my system completely. but synaptic forces me to uninstall bunch of other things, like linux-386, linux-restricted-modules*** etc
<LordGrunt> can i ?
<kumicho> you mean the drivers for x?
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, you can just not use them
<LordGrunt> i *need* to *remove* these...
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, can I ask why ?
<LordGrunt> and stupid synaptic wants to remove kernel. argh
<kumicho> yeah they may conflict
<crimsun> LordGrunt: linux-386 is a metapackage, it's not _necessary_ to have it
<crimsun> LordGrunt: same with ubuntu-desktop
<LordGrunt> lemme type it all :)
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone feel like trying to tackle the "SeeleyUSMC wireless network challenge"?
<LinuxJones> Poor SeeleyUSMC, you have been battling with that the entire day :D
<SeeleyUSMC> I'll survive...even if I have to do everything in windows i guess.
<LordGrunt> when i install external nvidia drivers, which i need, cause these are better, then if an automatic update will happen, it will restore old nvidia packages. then, as i had such situation, everything using Gl, segfaults. so, you see, i need these packs removed
<geneo93> LinuxJones:  hard to run 64 bit stuf on 32 bit hardware
* SeeleyUSMC is actually starting to get irritated...
<Anubis> Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.
<toni^> what was the command to mount iso image?
<SeeleyUSMC> I've been researching ALL day since 0630 and now its 1652!!! GRRR!!!
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, did you have any probles with hardware after your initial install ?
<LinuxJones> *problems
<crimsun> toni^: sudo modprobe loop && sudo mount -o loop some.iso /somemountpoint
<toni^> crimsun: ty
<LordGrunt> yeah, couldnt watch movies at all. was like slideshow, no hw accel at all
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, what I am asking is do you need linux-restricted-modules for any of your other hardware ?
<codyman> hi.. i am tring to uncomment the "restricted" packages located in the (K)ubuntu sources.list and when i uncomment them they result in a 404
<Anubis> Rhythmbox 0.8.8
<Anubis> my rhythmbox is borked
<crimsun> Anubis: reproducible?
<LordGrunt> LinuxJones: i dont care anymore, they just got removed ;)
<Anubis> some gstreamer pad problems
<Anubis> crimsun, very
<Anubis> anytime I try to play anything
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, it's fine to remove all of those other packages don't worry about it
<foreach> codyman, what command did you run to get those 404's? apt-get update ?
<codyman> foreach: yes
<optiks> hi. I'm trying to get x running, and I keep getting 'no devices found' error .. I've ran the 'configurer' quite a few times and have had no luck ... my gfx card is a PCI-e nvidia 6600gt .. has anyone got any ideas as to what could be the problem?
<foreach> hm
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, just change your video driver to vesa in your x config file
<codyman> foreach: if i uncomment them in the sources.list and run apt-get update i get 404 not found
<LinuxJones> LordGrunt, oh yeah and remove the glx entry as well
<Anubis> crimsun, Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug
<crimsun> Anubis: does gst-launch-0.8 work? [man gst-launch-0.8, see the example usage at the end of the man page] 
<LordGrunt> LinuxJones: i will use nvidia drivers, just these from nvidia site.
<LordGrunt> brb
<LinuxJones> k
<Pyre> Nite
<pinPoint> can i still play my Counter Strike in ubuntu?
<pinPoint> :)
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, I believe so
<pinPoint> without much problems?
<pinPoint> what apps? cedega?
<optiks> pinPoint: you need wine/winex... I've found tha, personally, it doesn't run as nicely though.
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, I don't run CS but I'm sure there are 1000 hits on google for it
<PuNzIn[K] eE> hey does ubuntu work on SATA?
<aspuru> I don't get a boot menu in LILO, how do I access it? (I have a second Windows partition in my laptop that I lost when installing ubuntu)
<optiks> PuNzIn[K] eE: yes
<^thehatsrule^> pinPoint, it runs fine, i tried cs1.3 long ago, worked just as fine
<mjr> aspuru, ubuntu doesn't use lilo, but grub; you can get a grub menu with esc
<aspuru> thanks mjr :)
<LinuxJones> PuNzIn[K] eE, I seem to recall there being problems with grub on sata though.
<aspuru> testing
<aspuru> brb
<SeeleyUSMC> Wow, #wireless is a REAL help...its practically dead in there
<thenuke> maybe it is not helpdesk
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: would you quickly recap what probs with wireless?
<thenuke> or maybe it is not 24h helpdesk
<Kate> hello
<crimsun> hi
<PuNzIn[K] eE> im looking for a distro that can work on sata. i tried suse but it cant detect my hard drive. im thinking of getting ubuntu but im not sure if it will work
<codyman> what location would i add to my sources.list file for restricted/marilliat depositories FOR amd64 kubuntu
<Kate> how is everyone?
<crimsun> PuNzIn[K] eE: try array-7
<^thehatsrule^> were fine fine ;p
<optiks> PuNzIn[K] eE: it's working fine on my sata wd raptor
<Kate> that good
<ephemeral> why does Hoary not come with GNOME?
<Kate> doesnt it?
<^thehatsrule^> it should...
<LinuxJones> ephemeral, sure it does
<mjr> codyman, you might try http://debian.video.free.fr/
<codyman> ephermal: it doesn't come with kde but it definately comes with gnome...
<SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: My only connection to the Internet is wireless.  It works on windows which is what I'm using now.  ath_pci and ath_hal are loaded modules, hardware configure shows that I have an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)...
<codyman> mjr: thanks
<^thehatsrule^> suse should work too... never used it tho
<PuNzIn[K] eE> ok. thanks
<geneo93> ephemeral:  because you got kubuntu
<ephemeral> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso    << This came with KDE not GNOME
<crimsun> PuNzIn[K] eE: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/
<^thehatsrule^> O.o interesting
<^thehatsrule^> maybe kde was only optimized for amd64?
<ephemeral> it baffles me
<Kate> at least you guys probably have real modems...
<^thehatsrule^> what does array cd 7 mean?
<Marble2> can someone help me? the timing with audio and video is off synch slightly in totem-xine. It's not just one file, it happens on any file I play
<^thehatsrule^> oh... just 64-bit
<ephemeral> ??
<apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: it's just a snapshot of how the developement is going on ISO.
<^thehatsrule^> oops
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: So what happened?
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, turn down the quality?
<ephemeral> so why no GNOME on that ISO?
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: how do I do that?
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: does ,,ifconfig ath0'' return anything?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ifconfig didn't show anything else, lsmod showed ath_pci and ath_hal
<pinPoint> ^thehatsrule^: thanks
<^thehatsrule^> im not sure... havent used totem-xine before...
<SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: there is no ath0
<ephemeral> ?/
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Darn
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, is it a dvd?
<pinPoint> crimsun: hello
<Marble2> no
<Marble2> avi file
<crimsun> pinPoint: hi
<^thehatsrule^> codec?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: And didyou see anything relevant in dmesg?
<pinPoint> crimsun: i played with that nic and it never worked
<pinPoint> thought it got active
<crimsun> pinPoint: which nic?
* aspuru checked: For some reason Lilo 22.6.1 was installed in my system, and it shows no boot menu. I searched the web and I need to run grub-install. Is that safe? is there is a way of having ubuntu do it "automagically" ? (as if it was asking me in a fresh install?)
<optiks> hi. I'm trying to get x running, and I keep getting 'no devices found' error .. I've ran the 'configurer' quite a few times and have had no luck ... my gfx card is a PCI-e nvidia 6600gt .. has anyone got any ideas as to what could be the problem?
<pinPoint> so im heading to best buy to get the G650 Dlink
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I wrote somethings down that I saw in lsmod.  I didn't notice anything in all that dmesg stuff
<aspuru> optiks, have you tried using the nv driver first?
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: xvid I think
<optiks> yep
<^thehatsrule^> optiks, xorg?
<aspuru> optiks: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or something like that?)
<^thehatsrule^> oh nvm then... hehe
<optiks> ^thehatsrule^: xf86
<optiks> aspuru: that's correct, I've tried xf86config, too
<^thehatsrule^> i read something of 6600gt on the forums
<optiks> should I try xorg ?
<optiks> it came with xf86 ... after installing ubuntu-desktop
<^thehatsrule^> did you edit xf86config-4? thats executed first
<daniels> optiks: are you running warty or hoary?
<optiks> yeah ... there's not that much to edit though. everything looks fine.
<optiks> warty
<daniels> optiks: if you're running warty, then unfortunately that card is unsupported
<daniels> it was released after warty was
<optiks> crap !
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, i know in windows, you can open a config for any codec... and change the quality
<optiks> can I patch it somehow?
<LinuxJones> optika, what video driver do you have selected ?
<optiks> LinuxJones: nv
<LinuxJones> optika, vesa might work
<daniels> optiks: no, unfortunately; you can use vesa as LinuxJones selected, but only if you don't actually care about performance
<^thehatsrule^> daniels, couldnt he just download a new driver from nvidia.com ?
<optiks> I'm new to ubuntu ... from what I gather hoary is the sort of 'testing' version, is it fine to run though?
<^thehatsrule^> (forgive me if that sounds stupid)
<daniels> ^thehatsrule^: well, yeah, but I'm hesitant to recommend that since it often goes wrong
<daniels> optiks: yeah, hoary is the release coming up, and array 7 is the current test cd
<^thehatsrule^> oh? :/ twas fine on my other linux.. guess ubuntu is speshul :P
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: presuming you're in the socal area?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: any ideas?  I've been at this for 10+ hours lol
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: ugh, I just checked and it happens in any player I use
<optiks> daniels: cool. so it's fine to run hoary though? as in it isn't totally development version :P
<SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: I live on a Marine Corps base in Twentynine Palms, CA (by Palm Springs)
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: (otherwise you may have needed to pass additional parameters to modprobe ath-pci if you're outside the USA)
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Nothing just at the moment.  I'm cogitating, though.  Can't you smell the burning insulation? :-)
<SeeleyUSMC> lol
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, check the faq of the xvid driver?
<^thehatsrule^> if not... htne you could manually redo the whole avi
<IcedKiwi> hey DarthFrog, guess what? my 'modem' still doesnt work lol
<Marble2> Ihm
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: ok, bear with me, please lsmod|grep ^ati_pci
<Marble2> maybe my codec is out of date
<daniels> optiks: seems to work most of the time
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: err, lsmod|grep ^ath_pci
<^thehatsrule^> you sure your video is in sync?
<IcedKiwi> its Kate
<DarthFrog> crimsun: Both ath_pci and ath_hal are loading
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: with what?
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, if the video doesnt have that 'flag' rendered with it, on older hardware, video tends to be desynched with the audio
<SeeleyUSMC> Let me see if my buddy will be kind enough to let me borrow his laptop again so I can chat and try this at the same time...brb
<optiks> daniels: okay. I'll give that a go. pity I found this out after just waiting for the whole apt for desktop ;P
<optiks> thanks a lot :)
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: I'm not exactly using older hardware
<optiks> I'll try the nvidia driver first though, there might be some hope left
<DarthFrog> crimsun: The driver and firmware are loading but he's not seeing the ath0 interface.
<IcedKiwi> i am :'(
<daniels> optiks: heh
<daniels> optiks: no worries -- good luck with it
<daniels> DarthFrog: it's probably just not up
<IcedKiwi> i need fuel. brb
<crimsun> daniels: my thoughts as well, save ifconfig ath0 doesn't show anything
<pinPoint> whats ath?
<pinPoint> ath0
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, maybe... is your video driver installed?
<crimsun> don't know enough about atheros regarding whether its iface is always athX or if it can be ethX
<^thehatsrule^> like new version, etc
<pinPoint> ah
<DarthFrog> daniels, crimsun: well, let's get him to "ifconfig ath0 up" next time. :-)
<^thehatsrule^> maybe that can help
<daniels> heh
<crimsun> DarthFrog: yep, except see what I typed above :-)
<daniels> ath won't start associating with anything until it's up
<daniels> i've been caught out by that one a fair bit
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: It's a wireless network interface.  For Atheros based wireless cards.
<crimsun> daniels: ah!
<DarthFrog> crimsun: Yeah, I know.
<pinPoint> ah
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, search for the xvid frontend then,if your video driver is fine
<DarthFrog> daniels: Well, well, maybe it'll be that simple.
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: I don't know about my video driver...
<Marble2> I'm using a ATI Radeon 9200.
<Marble2> I never installed any drivers
<^thehatsrule^> oh... no video acceleration :/
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: It's the same on divx files too
<^thehatsrule^> tho its hard under linux, so i hear
<Marble2> video acceleration?
<optiks> argh. there's no development tools... (gcc, g++, cc, etc)... is there a package that installs all of them, or must they be installed individually? (tedious!)
<mjr> umm, radeon 9200 does have free accelerated drivers
<crimsun> optiks: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<^thehatsrule^> yes... because you dont have the ati accelerated drivers installed
<optiks> cheerio :D
<^thehatsrule^> oh... so hes using it mjr?
<Marble2> where do I get those drivers?
<mjr> ^thehatsrule^, probably, since it comes out of the box with ubuntu
<Anubis> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3475
<^thehatsrule^> heh then my fault... again ;p
<Marble2> so uh
<Marble2> what is wrong?
<SeeleyUSMC> BRB
<^thehatsrule^> wonder if my radeon 7000 works ?
<^thehatsrule^> even better, lets find a list!
<^thehatsrule^> :)
<^thehatsrule^> well uh, Marble2, maybe check http://ronald.vslcatena.nl/docs/xvidfaq.html#B8 ?
<mjr> thenuke, should
<mdz> 3d is supported out of the box on radeon 7000
<Marble2> ^thehatsrule^: it's not just xvid files.
<IcedKiwi> i have the opposite problem with my sound
<^thehatsrule^> nice!
<Marble2> other ones too
<IcedKiwi> linux can use it, but windows can't
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2, well, you could go to each codec config, and degrade each one
<^thehatsrule^> lol thats weird IcedKiwi
<apokryphos> Would anyone have any idea why I can't get sound out of all my speakers (only two of 'em)? This is probably the one recurring problem I've had on ubuntu. It mucks up the bass etc.. :(
<IcedKiwi> i know
<Marble2> what would degrading it do
<Marble2> would I lose quality?
<IcedKiwi> with my 'modem' its a winmodem
<Marble2> it seems like something else if it's a problem in every type of codec
<apokryphos> Worked fine on previous distros (Fedora, Mandrake).
<IcedKiwi> i cant get sound with windows, but it works fine with fedora
<IcedKiwi> doesnt work with ubuntu
<IcedKiwi> fedora
<IcedKiwi> *fedora's installation was nice and pretty
<jono> hi guys
<IcedKiwi> hi
<^thehatsrule^> Marble2... well i set mine to one notch lower... cant tell the difference, cept its smooth
<LinuxJones> hi jono
<optiks> IcedKiwi: they seem to pride themselves on their installer. it is very well made.
<jono> hi LinuxJones :)
<^thehatsrule^> mjr, Marble2, For most 3D requirements the system will work, but slowly unless you install the binary driver for your video card. See the BinaryDriverHowto for information on how to install binary drivers for your video card. This is true for at least ATI, NVIDIA, and 3dLabs cards.
<^thehatsrule^> thats in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
<Marble2> thanks
<Marble2> I'll do that
<daniels> 3d labs have a binary driver?
<jono> seems like the bugfix packages are coming thick and strong :)
<^thehatsrule^> so it seems you should download a new version...
<^thehatsrule^> dunno if 3dlabs does ;p
<LinuxJones> jono, every 10 minutes it seems :0
<jono> LinuxJones, :)
* jono is dist-upgrading
<IcedKiwi> its very pretty
<username> does ubuntu automatically install updates on a regular periodic basis?
<jono> has any more work gone on with the hardware database?
<mjr> ^thehatsrule^, well, that's a bit of an oversimplification
<njan> username, no
<odie5533> How do I download kde for ubuntu
<njan> odie5533, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<username> njan, oh
<b_e_n_z> odie5533: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
<DarthFrog> odie: Use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop.
<odie5533> njan, is that the same thing as this Kubuntu thing?
<njan> username, you need to use synaptic or apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
<mjr> (though the binary drivers are probably faster for freely supported radeons too)
<crimsun> odie5533: yes
<LinuxJones> jono, you want to add that IRiver in there don't you :)
<njan> odie5533, yup. kubuntu == ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop
<geneo93> odie5533:  sudo apt-get install kde
<drspin> ahhh --- what are my fstab options so that I can read/write to /dev/hda7 ??
<jono> LinuxJones, heh :)
<njan> drspin, what format is /dev/hda7 and do you want it mounted so anyone can read/write to it?
<goxy> i have trouble with intel 536ep anybody knows solution
<odie5533> so apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install this: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php, well the KDE part?
<ermo> mjr, could you clarify that?
<drspin> njan: ext 2 and yes :)
<LinuxJones> jono, can I get a preview of what's up for the next show ?
<apokryphos> odie5533: see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingkde
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Yes.
<jono> LinuxJones, all going well, an interview with Alan Cox for starters :)
<odie5533> kk, (typing it in now ;D)
<LinuxJones> jono, awesome
<jono> LinuxJones, :)
<mjr> ermo, how? The free DRI drivers support 3d acceleration for Radeons up to and including 9250, but ATI's proprietary offering probably is a bit faster (and supports later models).
<jono> LinuxJones, you coming to LUGRadio Live?
<mjr> 'course, I use the DRI
<ermo> mjr, me too.
<mdz> odie5533: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
<LinuxJones> jono, It's like 5 thousand miles away :P
<LinuxJones> jono, maybe not that far
<drspin> njan: ext2 and I want anyone to be able to r/w
<njan> drspin, /dev/hda7       /mountpoint          ext2    umask=0,defaults        0       0
<username> why would 'synaptic' and 'apt-get' have such cumbersome and non-descriptive names?
<DarthFrog> mjr: if you can get the blasted thing working!  I fought for half the afternoon to get DRI working with my Radeon 9800 Pro.
<jono> LinuxJones, so? heh, we have people coming from california, norway, france and other places :)
<drspin> njan: thanks!
<njan> username, because that's what the package maintainer has decided the package is called.
<jono> LinuxJones, we are also doing paintball the day after :D
<mdz> odie5533: if you install Ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop, you get GNOME and KDE both.  If you install Kubuntu, you get only KDE.
<IcedKiwi> why cant hardware and software live in perfect harmony?
<njan> IcedKiwi, because the universe would explode.
<ermo> mjr, how would one test that hypothesis? Or, rather, what programs would be good benchmarks?
<odie5533> kk
<ermo> mjr, you got me curious  :)
<LinuxJones> jono, I am starting a little business and cash is tight atm but I would love to go )
<njan> ermo, glxgears?
<ermo> njan, that's one
<username> njan, then the 'package maintainer' shouldn't be doing that part of the task.
<mdz> ermo: the classic test is glxgears
<jono> LinuxJones, no probs :)
<jono> LinuxJones, what kind of business?
<ermo> mdz, all right.
<SeeleyUSMC> I'm on my friends laptop now, so fire away with suggestions
<mjr> glxgears isn't really a good test (though it may be indicative of some differences)
<^thehatsrule^> glxgears... hmm
<IcedKiwi> njan, lol
<njan> username, tbh, with a system setup with synaptic, the name of the package doesn't matter.
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Do "ifconfigure ath0 up".
<njan> username, you can search for what you need, and the package just has a description.
<username> njan, of course it matters
<mjr> I'd just see framerates in some 3d games
<LinuxJones> jono, I'm going to produce Linux Instructional Videos
<jono> LinuxJones, cool :)
<LinuxJones> jono, the Ubuntu version will be free for download of course :)
<goxy> i have trouble with intel 536ep
<mjr> sleep now
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Urk, make that "ifconfig ath0 up" :-)
<ermo> mjr, precisely my thought. I wouldn't know what 3d game to use, though. It'd have to be shareware. Quake 3, perhaps.
<njan> username, not really. 95% of the time the package name is the same as the name of the software, and for something like kubuntu-desktop, you either know you need it, ask, or look at the package description.
<username> it needs to be called something akin to what it does.
<njan> ermo, enemy territory! :)
<crimsun> DragonFly: (and prepend sudo)
<njan> ermo, free, and fun! :)
<crimsun> err
<jono> LinuxJones, awesome, let me know when its done and I will pimp it on the show :D
<crimsun> DragonFly: sorry
<LinuxJones> jono, i have to bust out my axe and get working on some music
<IcedKiwi> im yahooing linux modem drivers as we speak
<codyman> i have integrated speakers on my notebook and i also have a usb sound card hooked up.. i want my music to play through the usb card but its playing through the built in speakers... how can i switch it around?
<^thehatsrule^> hehe njan, thats a great game :P
<LinuxJones> jono, cool
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: auth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: ath0, not auth0
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, tell me about it :)
<ermo> njan, maybe I'll try that. Any other suggestions?
<SeeleyUSMC> lol
<njan> ermo, yeah, the tc:elite mod for enemy territory, because it kicks serious ass.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: same thing
<^thehatsrule^> njan: i still have it since i downloaded the first test version ;p
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Darn.
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, have you played tc:elite?
<^thehatsrule^> YEA!
<^thehatsrule^> just played it earlier
<^thehatsrule^> in fact
<^thehatsrule^> today
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, like?
<jono> tc:elite?
<^thehatsrule^> yes!
<^thehatsrule^> LOVE!
<^thehatsrule^> <3
<username> if 'synaptic' and 'apt-get' are the functional equivalent of the conventional 'Software Update', then 'Software Update' is the one I'd use when I think I might want to update my software.
<ermo> njan, I'm more interested in benchmarking different engines. I mean, how else would I get an idea of which driver is the 'best'?
<njan> jono, it's a free mod for enemy territory, which is free
<njan> ermo, whichever one lets you have the most fun is the best :p
<^thehatsrule^> username, create your own aliases
<ermo> njan, trouble is, I've gamed 3d games on linux.
<jono> njan, cool - have you seen clan.lugradio.org? we have a clan of people who play ET regularly :)
<ermo> njan, 'never gamed' actually
<^thehatsrule^> its true combat: elite, tce for short
<username> thehatsrule - I can't go round doing that on everyone elses machines though
<njan> jono, nope, but I'll take a look :)
<jono> njan, :) cool I know they would welcome you to game with them
<username> thehatsrule - there's little point in balkanising my own installation
<^thehatsrule^> sure you can, then just use sh scripts
<njan> jono, since I started playing tc:elite, though, my et has gone down the drain
<^thehatsrule^> jono: lugradio?
<jono> heh
<Zepp> Does anyone know why i have to hit certain keys like  and ^ twice before they will appear on screen
<^thehatsrule^> is that spanish or somehting? hehe
<njan> jono, I used to be consistantly in the top 10% of most servers, now I'm about midway, because I've gotten bad (or good) habits from tc:elite
<jono> ^thehatsrule^, it is a rather irreverent Open Source radio show I am with
<jono> ^thehatsrule^, www.lugradio.org
<^thehatsrule^> lol... the ET radio freaks!
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<jono> njan, shit! :(
<njan> jono, things really annoy me, like in tc:elite you can fire whilst leaning around corners, and you can't in et. I've been killed loads of times as engineer trying to fire around corners and realising I couldn't
<jono> ^thehatsrule^, huh?
<ermo> njan, link?
<^thehatsrule^> engineer - use grenades ;p
<username> the names of programs of open-source programs is a significant problem that needs attention.
<^thehatsrule^> lol j/k
<njan> ermo, http://www.truecombat.com/intro.php
<ermo> njan, thx
<codyman> njan: truecombat is great i've been playing it since the quake 3    .45 build days
<username> it would seem that the people in charge of making open source programs are by and large, quite bad at conceiving viable names for the product.
<njan> codyman, I'm told that tc:elite is quite different from the q3 mod, but I've never played the q3 version :)
<jono> back in a bit...
<codyman> njan: yeah its different... the graphics are obviously superb in elite and also its freeeee
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<njan> username, you write an oss package, you get to name it :p
<^thehatsrule^> cant wait until ET has Urban Terror too!
<njan> codyman, :)
<username> njan, then that's a weak spot
<njan> username, I don't think so.
<Anubis> crimsun, I'm too stupid to use that cmd it seems
<njan> username, I can't think of any way in which it's detrimental to anyone.
<codyman> thehatsrule: yeah how's et ut coming?
<Anubis> does anyones rythmbox work fine?
<username> njan, well, yes. Almost all the names of open source products are incredibly badly thought out.
<Anubis> can mplayer be apt-gotten yet?
<gratuit> username: or with the GPL, you can actually go out, rename every program you want to, and distribute it under the different names
<^thehatsrule^> well, they arent releasing yet... read some progress early this year
<njan> gratuit, :)
<^thehatsrule^> haha
<codyman> username: actually enemy territory originally wasn't going to be open source its just that the company making it abandoned it
<username> gratuit, but that really doesn't solve the problem, does it.
<njan> username, I don't think the name has much bearing on the package.
<username> njan, of course it does
<^thehatsrule^> its really a great game
<IcedKiwi> ok
<njan> username, take apache. Apache is *the* most widely deployed OSS package, probably. In what way does the name 'apache' possibly relate to a web server?
<username> njan, how do people know what it does otherwise?
<njan> username, and in what way is firefox a web browser?
<^thehatsrule^> codyman, they just abandoned the single player part, so they released it for free
<gratuit> username: I'm not sure I see a problem, are there any specific examples?
<njan> username, firefox has a *HUGE* number of users
<codyman> thehatsrule: yeah but who needs single player???  anti-social??
<codyman> :-)
<DarthFrog> njan: I presume you know the origin of the name Apache?
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<username> gratuit, well, the specific examples I've already related are 'synaptic' and 'apt-get'
<^thehatsrule^> apache helicopters?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: What about NdisWrapper?
<IcedKiwi> please dont hurt me for asking this, but why do people use firefox?
<njan> DarthFrog, nope, which is probably more appropriate in this case, since with relevance to this particular argument, if you know where the name comes from, you necessarily know what the package does :)
<username> gratuit, compared to the conventional 'Software Update'
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: There's another option.
<^thehatsrule^> IcedKiwi, i use it for extensive browsing... its fast when its loaded
<codyman> DarthFrog: figured out ndiswrapper... works great now.. only thing is i have to retype in my WEP key everytime i reboot
<njan> IcedKiwi, a) free, b) secure(r), c) extensible
<gratuit> ah, synaptic I see, but how is 'advanced packaging tool'-get bad?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
<IcedKiwi> i havent used a mozilla product for about a year now
<DarthFrog> Codyman: Excellent!  Really glad to hear it.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: thats where I'm at :)
<username> gratuit, no, it's called 'apt-get', not 'advanced packaging tool-get'
<njan> IcedKiwi, what do you use for linux web browsing?
<aquarius> My machine doesn't seem to be loading the modules in /etc/modules on boot. Is the list of stuff that prints out on startup logged anywhere? (i.e., things that happen from /etc/init.d, not early startup which is available from dmesg.)
<gratuit> username, it's an acronym
<IcedKiwi> i had to reinstall windows and i downloaded opera for something different
<iapx8088> uh
<njan> IcedKiwi, opera isn't free. If it were, I'd use it.
<username> gratuit, and who cares how advanced the packaging tool is - it should describe what it does
<iapx8088> happy you
<IcedKiwi> im using it and i didnt pay for it
<njan> IcedKiwi, for some of us, the philosophy behind a software package is as important as how good it is at what it does :)
<gratuit> it 'gets' packages
<njan> IcedKiwi, that doesn't make it free.
<IcedKiwi> i guess
<DarthFrog> njan: Well, it started off as the NCSA web server code. It had lots of patches applied to it. It was known as "A patchy web server". ;-)
<username> but 'Software Update' tells you what it does, normally.
<codyman> so.. how can i bypass my integrated notebook soundcard and make my usb one work?
<IcedKiwi> i used to use mozilla but it messed up too much
<crimsun> Anubis: come again?
<njan> DarthFrog, I knew it started out with NCSA, but I didn't know that specifically. That's actually quite funny :)
<gratuit> but now I'm just being difficult, but if every program that did that sort of thing were called Software Update, how would I tell if I was using an rpm, or .deb based distro?
<Anubis> crimsun, the cmd to play a music file
<IcedKiwi> the main things for me are tabbed browsing and uncrashabiltiy
<odie5533> is there a way to start kde like using the [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [F1]  then typing something?
<DarthFrog> gratuit: For most folks, it simply shouldn't matter.
<odie5533> so I still have gnome open here
<username> gratuit, doesn't matter - who cares - if it's that advanced, it sorts it out for you
<sirukin> hmm
<Anubis> crimsun, is there another app that uses gstreamer for me to check its functionailit
<sirukin> how would I apt-get everything I need for web development?
<njan> odie5533, you can start a second instance of gdm or startx -- :1 if you have kde set to start in .xinitrc
<sirukin> such as, php, apache, mysql, etc
<njan> odie5533, it'll open on tty8, assuming you're on tty7 now.
<sirukin> err
<username> gratuit, when I use Software Update, all I need to know is that it's found some updated software (or not) and it gets on and does it. I don't need to know how or why.
<odie5533> So I type startx --:1 in any the normal terminal here?
<njan> odie5533, no, in a real terminal.. Ctrl-Alt-F1, logon, do it there.
<sirukin> I don't neccesarily mean that as much as, <sirukin> Do the universe repositories hold php-hardened, as well as mod_security?
<njan> odie5533, but only if you have kde set to startup in .xinitrc
<odie5533> I dont think I do
<odie5533> I set default as gnome...
<njan> odie5533, otherwise, you need to start gdm, and I think gdm takes the standard x arguments, but I'm not sure.. sec..
<odie5533> any other way to run kde?
<njan> odie5533, hmm.. or maybe you can't. I'd just stick it in .xinitrc and startx -- :1
<apokryphos> odie5533: are you not using kdm?
<njan> username, in which case, how would you differentiate between, say, xterm, eterm, gnome-terminal, and kterm?
<odie5533> I am using gdm
<sirukin> nvm
<njan> username, terminal emulator 1, terminal emulator 2, terminal emulator 3, terminal emulator 4?
<odie5533> and I have gdm as default
<njan> apokryphos, he wants to start kdm in another X session alongside gnome.
<njan> s/kdm/kde/
<username> njan, good point. I don't need to. If I need to type something into the terminal, I just need a terminal - not some assortment of different flavours of the same thing.
<njan> username, which is why distributions provide, by default, a package for anything the user needs to do, on a standard desktop install.
<gratuit> username: but they arn't the same, some are geared for speed, others for eyecandy, there are many differences between them
<njan> username, what you have to understand is, most people who use ubuntu as a desktop replacement OS, have everything they need off the default install. Office packages, IM, e-mail client, browser.
<jintxo> odie5533, try this, run a plain X server (in a terminal X :1 &) and then export DISPLAY=localhost:1 and startkde from the same terminal
<username> njan, but that's no different to what I'm used to.
<njan> username, if you need something else, you want to pick the package for it. People don't just buy a photo editor because it's a photo editor. They buy photoshop because it's photoshop.. or paintshop pro beacuse it's paintshop pro. You can't just make those choices for them.
<^thehatsrule^> hey njan, wanna play a few rounds?
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, sure thing
<^thehatsrule^> tce or et, tis fine
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, tce ;)
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, wherebouts are you?
<^thehatsrule^> somehow ETF was ok... nothing speshul
<^thehatsrule^> US
<^thehatsrule^> you?
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, sec, lemme see if I can find a good server on the east coast
<^thehatsrule^> k
<username> njan, I think you can. I think you can make educated choices for people which gives them a head start. To lay everything out on a table and say 'you choose' when all you've got to go on is an assortment of meaningless names is actually worse than no choice at all.
<akk> Any installer people around?
<^thehatsrule^> tho im visiting a coupla places
<^thehatsrule^> so heres temporary ;p
<^thehatsrule^> installer ppl?...
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, EU, but my ADSL connection is peered in london, so I get ~ok connections to NY
<username> what makes people think that the user would be the most qualified to make a choice, rather than the system's creators?
<akk> I'm having trouble with the hoary installer ... wanted to check with someone before filing a bug.
<njan> username, that's why synaptic displays things in categories.
<gratuit> username: have you tried gnome-app-install?
<username> njan, that's assuming the user has found their way to 'synaptic' in the first place
<username> gratuit, no, never heard of it
<^thehatsrule^> njan alright, actually UK servers, i can get 125-150 ping if its good
<njan> username, it's quite obvious where/what synaptic is. Especially if they've read the ubuntu documentation
<aquarius> what's /proc/ksyms? Should it exist in a warty system?
<username> njan, no it's not.
<mdke> OMG http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=85801&_LOC=UK
<njan> username, I've just setup my wife, who has no prior experience with linux at all, with ubuntu, and she found it straight away.
<gratuit> well, if you're running ubuntu/gnome, it's under system tools, add/Remove Programs
<username> njan, maybe if they've read the documentation, maybe, but seriously, who's going to read the documentation? What a waste of time.
<^thehatsrule^> LOL
<^thehatsrule^> everyone reads docs...
<njan> but seriously, who's going to read the documentation? What a waste of time. <= anyone who wants to learn how to use the operating system?
<njan> the same people who actually read school textbooks because they actually want to learn to add up, and speak foreign languages..
<mdke> mmmm internet enabled microwaves...
<gratuit> username: it may be more to your liking, so you can at least recommend it to people
<username> njan, I don't want to learn how to use an operating system. I simply want to use it. I want it to learn how I would use it.
<njan> you can't compensate for laziness.
<njan> username, and hoary afaik includes a tray-based update notifier for precisely that reason.
<odie5533> I tried X :1 and it froze my comp =/
<njan> username, but you can't just make choices for people too lazy to pick one of three IM clients.
<username> no, it's not laziness (or maybe it is, but get real - people are lazy). It's natural.
<^thehatsrule^> njan, username, thats why i use trillian on windows ;p
<username> njan, yes you can - you can make choices for exactly that kind of person. Informed choices.
<jintxo> odie5533, it worked ok for me (just tried it) I have an nvidia card
<gratuit> how do I change my gnome default apps for arbtrary file types?
<username> thehatsrule - I wouldn't know - I've never really used Windows yet.
<odie5533> same
<aquarius> gratuit: right-click a file of the type and look at Open With.
<gratuit> aquarius: what if I don't have any files of that type at this time?
<username> making choices for people (if you're good at it) is not to be viewed as a restriction - it's an aid.
<^thehatsrule^> username, well im pretty sure theres something similar to it in linux
<aquarius> gratuit: don't know. On the other hand, if you don't have any, why do you need to set the association?
<njan> ^thehatsrule^, I can't find any servers at all with players in EU using xqf :/.. sec
<^thehatsrule^> xqf?
<^thehatsrule^> x query force?
<username> thehatsrule - perhaps, but as I don't know what you're talking about in the first place, I now further won't know what you're referring to in linux either.
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<^thehatsrule^> lol
* aquarius wibbles. What's /proc/ksyms? Modutils seems to depend on it existing, and it doesn't on this machine.
<gratuit> aquarius: for the future
<^thehatsrule^> 20:51| <njan> username, but you can't just make choices for people too lazy to pick one of three IM clients.
<^thehatsrule^> referring to that
<username> ah - im clients. I see.
<aquarius> gratuit: I think it's in gconf somewhere, but I wouldn't swear to it.
<mdke> username, you the guy from #gentoo?
<^thehatsrule^> njan: want to to find one?
<username> mdke - yes
<mdke> hi
<username> mdke, but I'm not as smart here as I seem there
<mdke> lol
<^thehatsrule^> mdke.user ? O.o
<mdke> inventive huh
<^thehatsrule^> ;p
<odie5533> when I do X :1
<^thehatsrule^> sounds like mandrake... heh
<odie5533> it takes me to a gray screen
<odie5533> with an X for a mouse
<mdke> ^thehatsrule^, yeah i've had that before
<username> mdke, here I take on the persona of one who has just come to linux, not as is the reality, one who has been running linux for 5 years
<mdke> they are my initials
<mdke> username, how come?
<^thehatsrule^> ;p
<aquarius> Hurm. So, /etc/init.d/modutils depends on /proc/ksyms, but /proc/ksyms is deprecated and not in 2.6 kernels. Is this a bug, or has it been fixed in hoary?
<Marble2> I get this error when I go to system -> prefs -> screen res: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to display size are not avalible"
<Marble2> how do I fix this? I want to change my screen res
<jintxo> odie5533, so then use ctrl-alt fX to go back to the original terminal you ran X from and export DISPLAY=localhost:1, that should make you able to run x progrmas on the X server you just ran
<username> mdke, because I got fed up with gentoo - it occurred to me that I've become totally unproductive and all my time is spent making the bloody computer work instead of it allowing me to do my own work.
<crimsun> aquarius: both warty and hoary {will} ship with a 2.6 kernel
<SeeleyUSMC> I have an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg card internal to my Sony VAIO laptop, running Ubuntu Linux (Hoarty Preview) on the 2.6.10-4 kernel with ndsiwrapper ver. 0.12+1.0rc2-1 and I can't get a connection to the Internet.  What do I need to do?
<mdke> username, but howcome the new persona here?
<LinuxJones> username, your in the right place then :)
* SeeleyUSMC sobs in the corner
<andrewski> where do i set the configuration for hdparm?
<aquarius> crimsun: yep. So does /etc/init.d/modutils requiring /proc/ksyms, which isn't in 2.6 kernels, count as a bug?
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, have you thrown holy water on it?
<LinuxJones> Poor SeeleyUSMC :(
<JDahl> I thought Ubuntu didnt use a root account, but when I installed Hoary preview a root account was created...
<SeeleyUSMC> mdke: I'm about to lol
<mdke> andrewski, /etc/hdparm.conf
<username> mdke, because I'm not convinced that open source and linux is actually beneficial, while it simultaneously becomes more secular and caters for it's own creators rather than real people.
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, no seriously
<Marble2> anyone?
<andrewski> mdke: aw, duh. :P
<crimsun> aquarius: it requires /proc/ksyms? It doesn't do so on my Warty or Hoary boxes.
<LinuxJones> username, how can you say that ?
<LinuxJones> username, that's just Gentoo beating you down
<username> LinuxJones, easy - I open up my ibook and type it. See.
<mdke> gentoo caters for a certain userbase
<mdke> i don't think its that hard to make work anyway
<mdke> i'm a pretty rubbish linux user
<username> gentoo caters for people obsessed with speed stripes - it exists for all the wrong reasons.
<aquarius> crimsun: line 9 in my /etc/init.d/modutils: [ -f /proc/ksyms ]  || exit 0
<LinuxJones> username, Gentoo is not a desktop Operating System !!
<mdke> username, no way
<Marble2> I get this error when I go to system -> prefs -> screen res: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to display size are not avalible" How do I fix this, I want to change my screen res :(
<mdke> username, its about control, not minor speed increases
<username> but linux itself is blatantly showing itself to be incapable of learning the big lessons.
<crimsun> aquarius: no, it's not a bug, why?
<mdke> username, well that's as maybe
<crimsun> aquarius: what if you had to boot a 2.4 kernel on that box?
<mdke> but you are making unrelated statements
<username> true
<mdke> but then it is 2 am
<username> also true
<aquarius> crimsun: ok, but that means that modules listed in /etc/modules don't get loaded if you boot a 2.6 kernel.
<username> News24 again!
<crimsun> Marble2: use ctrl+alt+- or ctrl+alt++
<mdke> heh
<crimsun> aquarius: they do get loaded.
<SeeleyUSMC> Hey, if I have the same chipset as another vendor, does it matter or not?
<mdke> aquarius, ?? sure they do
<crimsun> the machine I'm sshed into is testament to that, heh
<Marble2> crimsun: when?
<aquarius> crimsun: what loads them? I'm puzzled.
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, no, you need the driver for the chipset
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, some are tricky tho ;(
<GammaRay> username: why should free software be the whipping boy to people don't see the same values in the same freedoms? why should freedom cater to anyone but those who see the value in it?
<crimsun> Marble2: if you're trying to change resolutions, use ctrl+alt++ or ctrl+alt+-
<LinuxJones> username, I think you have to re-install Windows to get regain your appreciation of Linux
<Marble2> it doesn't work
<aquarius> crimsun: I have apm in /etc/modules, and it's not loaded when the machine boots. "modprobe apm" works fine when I do it myself, though.
<crimsun> Marble2: which graphics driver?
<username> LinuxJones, I've never used windows
<Marble2> uh... X
<LinuxJones> username, install it then :)
<SeeleyUSMC> mdke: but the chipset is the same, only different vendor
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, yeah
<username> LinuxJones, no, I don't think it'd get on well with this iBook
<crimsun> Marble2: X Window System requires a graphics device driver, which does your machine use?
<mdke> someone with an atheros help SeeleyUSMC !!!
<Marble2> i have no clue
<Marble2> how do I check
<SeeleyUSMC> lol
<crimsun> Marble2: are you using Warty or Hoary?
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, ok i'll try then
<Marble2> I just used the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto guide to get my audo and video syncing and I had to mess with xorg.conf and now it doesnt work
<Marble2> hoary
<jintxo> odie5533, come to think of it it0s kinda cool to have xfce on one X server and gnome on the other
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, what do these commands tell you:
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, "ifconfig"
<crimsun> Marble2: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |tail -1
<SeeleyUSMC> mdke: eth0 and lo
<username> anyway - got to go to sleep. More trolling another time, eh?
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, i take it eth0 isn't your wifi card?
<Marble2>     Driver          "fglrx"
<mdke> whoa
<crimsun> Marble2: so you're using the binary-only ATI driver
<Marble2> I guess
<Marble2> yea
<crimsun> Marble2: what resolution currently?
<Marble2> 1024x1080 or something
<Marble2> default ubuntu res
<SeeleyUSMC> mdke: no.  There is a standard NIC in the laptop as well
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, ok
<Marble2> I like it, but I can't run a high refresh rate at this res
<mdke> SeeleyUSMC, ok i can't help you then, you need someone familiar with the atheros driver
<mdke> :(
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: just to check, is the wireless adapter enabled in bios?
<SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: how do you check that?
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: check in bios to see if it's enabled
<crimsun> (when you boot)
<mdke> i'm out too
* pinPoint pops the new nic box
<mdke> gd night
<pinPoint> should i plug it while booting
<SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: I'll check in a sec
<asdqwe> Hi guys... Im having a bit of a problem with something.. Im trying get my wireless config going, although when i list iwconfig and ifconfig, I have eth1 listed for both the ethernet card and wireless card... is this unusual?
<sirukin> <yawn>
<crimsun> aquarius: look in /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
<fisch_> hello i have a problem... after actualisation of hoary the mousepointer doesnt move
<Marble2> crimsun: any ideas?
<fisch_> (sorry for my bad english...)
<crimsun> Marble2: please post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto http://pastebin.ca
<aquarius> crimsun: no such file. hm. apt-get --reinstall install module-init-tools hasn't recreated it, either. How can I get it back? It's in dpg --listfiles module-init-tools.
<Marble2> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7775
<crimsun> aquarius: unpack the deb using dpkg-deb, then copy it over manually
<Diablo-D3> hey people
<fisch_> can someone help me?
<Diablo-D3> Im trying to install ubuntu on a machine that only has ... get this... 32 megs of memory
<Diablo-D3> and its a laptop
<pinPoint> hey have a DWL G650 Hotplugged and booted. how do I start it up?
<asdqwe> Diablo-D3: Wouldnt DamnSmallLinux be a better idea for a machine spec like that?
<johnnybezak> Diablo-D3: are you masochistic :P
<pinPoint> a wireless nic
<Diablo-D3> asdqwe: isnt DSL only a livecd distro?
<asdqwe> can anyone point me to a good tutoria/howto on ubuntu wireless config??
<asdqwe> Diablo: Nah, DSL can be installed onto your hdd.. go check out their site, its got a howto on it http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
<aquarius> crimsun: that should be OK. Cheers for the help.
<madstop> hello.  #kubuntu has been taken over by esperanto speakers.  So here I am.
<crimsun> aquarius: np
<pinPoint> asdqwe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9454
<Diablo-D3> asdqwe: Im installing this for a newbie
<Marble2> crimsun: see anything wrong with it?
<pinPoint> how do i bring up my new card thats hotplugged
<pinPoint> wireless nic?
<Diablo-D3> asdqwe: once I get it installed, I should be fine
<gratuit> where is esperanto actually spoken?
<Diablo-D3> garrut: nowhere
<Diablo-D3> garrut: its a manufactured language
<asdqwe> thanks pinpoint, although, i dont think I need to use the NDis wrapper.. its detected my card (prism I), im having probs getting the iwconfig stuff down
<crimsun> Marble2: you have some agp warnings
<crimsun> Marble2: please post the output of lsmod
<daniels> Diablo-D3: i believe small-memory installs are currently broken.
<pinPoint> ah
<madstop> gratuit, , it's what folks used to learn before Klingon was invented.
<pinPoint> i have a card thats supposed to be detected...
<pinPoint> just dont know how to start it up now since i just got it
<Marble2> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7776
<Diablo-D3> daniels =/
<Diablo-D3> and yes, it does say entering low memory mode
<crimsun> Diablo-D3: you could do the manual method that I used with the Warty preview: as soon as the partitioning udebs have been unpacked, switch to a busybox shell on alt+F2 and create a swap partition, then mount it
<asdqwe> ppoint: I have an ethernet nic and 802.11b card... and it seems that both are listed under eth1 in iw/ifconfig... is that a problem???
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: it doesnt even get that far
<Diablo-D3> I think loading pcmcia stuff screws the pooch
<Diablo-D3> wait wait
<Diablo-D3> it seems to have booted this time
<DigitalStatic> Anyone had any success with upgrading from Warty to Hoary using apt-get?
<WW> Hello, world.
<crimsun> DigitalStatic: yes, I try it every couple days
<Diablo-D3> I wish this thing had a network card though
<WW> Any subversion gurus out there?
<Diablo-D3> okay, this thing freaks out on lvmcfg-utils
<Diablo-D3> it keeps telling me its entering low memory mode
<DigitalStatic> crimsun: Thanks for the info, Hoary stable enough for day to day use?
<Diablo-D3> and then tries to unpack/load/whatever that package
<crimsun> DigitalStatic: yes
<Diablo-D3> and tells me its entering low memory mode.... and tries to... and tells me... </infiniteloop>
<DigitalStatic> crimsun:  XFree to Xorg part of the upgrade cause any issues?  I am worried about that with my ATI card
<Diablo-D3> DigitalStatic: it should improve performance
<crimsun> Diablo-D3: I'm fairly certain by that point the partitioning udeb(s) have been unpacked, but I haven't tried it since the Warty preview
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: hrm
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: does ubuntu have a partition editor?
<daniels> DigitalStatic: it's fine
<maxchee> ogra: can you have a look at this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7860
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: because I need to repartition the drive
<^thehatsrule^> qtparted?
<^thehatsrule^> parted?
<daniels> DigitalStatic: i've been using xorg daily on numerous ati cards for months now
<Diablo-D3> I use xorg on my ati card as well
<Marble2> crimsun: anything?
<Diablo-D3> ubuntu's xorg, infact
<Diablo-D3> (which runs great on debian sid)
<crimsun> Marble2: read what I said regarding the agp warnings
<DigitalStatic> Should I uninstall the ATI drivers before I apt-get dist-upgrade?   would I be better off burning the Hoary CD and just installing from scratch?
<crimsun> DigitalStatic: they'll upgrade just fine
<Diablo-D3> DigitalStatic: r200 or r300?
<WW> I would like to set up a subversion repository on a computer running debain sarge, with version 1.1 of svn.  The version of svn on warty is 1.0.6.  Are they compatible?
<DigitalStatic> Diablo-D3 r300 i think, Radeon 9800 Pro
<Diablo-D3> r300.
<andril> hello all again
<WW> s/debain/debian/  (but you knew that)
<Marble2> crimsun: I know I have some... I pasted the link to the output of lsmod
<andril> Does anyone know how to share a folder over the network?
<Diablo-D3> DigitalStatic: I dont know if the ati binary drivers work with xorg
<maxchee> Are there any MOTU who is willing to look at this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7860
<Diablo-D3> Im lucky enough not to need them
<Diablo-D3> Hrm.
* Diablo-D3 does some pondering
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: no partitioning tools are installed
<crimsun> maxchee: couple secs.
<andril> Basically I want to make a folder in Ubuntu visable via my network
<DigitalStatic> Thanks for the feedback folks
<crimsun> Marble2: what's using nvidia_agp?
<pinPoint> my nic is Atheros based
<pinPoint> from D-link
<Marble2> I dunno.. nothing. I don't have a nividia graphics card...
<pinPoint> anyone please tell me the necessary steps to starti it up
<gratuit> pinPoint: there are instructions on the ndiswrapper website I think
* Diablo-D3 bangs head on desk
<crimsun> Marble2: nforce-based motherboard, perhaps?
<pinPoint> i still have to use ndiswrapper???
<pinPoint> what!
<Marble2> yes in fact
<Marble2> nForce2
<Marble2> i moved nivia.ko out of /etc/X11
<Marble2> would that mess up the resolution settings?
<andril> anybody????
<gratuit> pinPoint: there is a module out there I think, but I'm not sure how mature it is
<Marble2> andril: samba
<Diablo-D3> is kubuntu a seperate distro?
<pinPoint> module?
<andril> I installed samba
<gratuit> pinPoint: someone has writen a native driver
<gratuit> pinPoint: but I don't know how far along it is, I use ndiswrapper, and it works quite well
<pinPoint> with a dlink gratuit
<gratuit> yeah, I forget the exact model number, but it is atheros based
<crimsun> Diablo-D3: yes
<crimsun> Diablo-D3: it just uses the same base as Ubuntu
<pinPoint> the card is listed in lsmod
<pinPoint> there must be a way to get it up
<crimsun> maxchee: uname -m
<pinPoint> madwifi?
<pinPoint> where and how?
<mdz> pinPoint: the madwifi drivers are installed by default, and work out of the box with my card
<mdz> pinPoint: what model do you have?
<pinPoint> DWL-G650
<mdz> Diablo-D3: yes and no; kubuntu and ubuntu share many packages, developers, infrastructure, and a community
<pinPoint> i have hoary, does it run gnome by default
<pinPoint> cause is see a nice wifi manager for kde
<pinPoint> or does GNOME have a wireless lan manager?
<SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone use an Atheros wirless card?
<LinuxJones> pinPoint, network-admin is about it
<pinPoint> SeeleyUSMC: i have it here
<pinPoint> trying to get it up
<SeeleyUSMC> pinPoint: if you get it working let me know
<SeeleyUSMC> I've been at it for 12 hours today along
<SeeleyUSMC> *alone
<pinPoint> ha, i played with my builtin DELL for 3 days
<pinPoint> first with mandarake
<pinPoint> then ubuntu, decided to keep ubuntu and get a new nic
<pinPoint> so here i am once again in battle
<Marble2> crimsun: still here?
<underlord> im having problems with usb in hoary
<crimsun> Marble2: yes, try blacklisting nvidia_agp: echo "nvidia-agp" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
<Marble2> done
<crimsun> Marble2: now reboot
<Marble2> now what
<Marble2> ok
<underlord> i have a box with a mothervoard with onbuilt vt82 usb 1.1 chipsets, and i have a pci usb 2.0 card (nec chipsets), now when i use ubuntu with this configuration my system has suddenly stopped recognising anything plugged in to the vt82 chipsets, why could this be?
<Marble2> crimsun: still get the error :(
<crimsun> Marble2: please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf onto pastebin
<Marble2> http://pastebin.ca/7778
<akk> Cool, if I select reiserfs for / during the hoary install, it tries to format that partition then bombs out with "Filesystem has incompatible feature enabled"
<medwards_> Anyone using hoary on a G4 PowerBook?
<crimsun> Marble2: that's your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
<Marble2> yes
<crimsun> Marble2: can you switch modes with the "radeon" driver instead of "fglrx"?
<Marble2> uh, how?
<Marble2> i'm confused
<crimsun> Marble2: change fglrx to radeon and restart gdm
<pinPoint> dont this wireless nics like keys and ssid hidden?
<marcin_ant> hi all
<Marble2> done
<Marble2> still get the error
<marcin_ant> could someone tell me what software I need (for backend) to use evolution-webcal?
<crimsun> Marble2: please paste the log file
<crimsun> (onto pastebin)
<Marble2> what log file?
<marcin_ant> I really don't understand how it works and there is no help for webcal integration
<crimsun> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
<Marble2> http://pastebin.ca/7779
* pinPoint reboots, freaking card!
<crimsun> Marble2: you're still using fglrx, not radeon
<Marble2> how do I restart gdm? I did /etc/init,d/gdm restart
<crimsun> Marble2: first of all, did you edit the correct file? (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)
<crimsun> Marble2: second of all, did you change the correct Driver setting?
<Marble2> yes
<Marble2> you mean like the origional?
<crimsun> Marble2: (yes, it's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
<FlyNavy> Hello all
<pinPoint> hello
<Marble2> yes, from ATI to fglrx
<Marble2> to see if I could stop my video and audio being out of synch
<Xira> Hi huys, I've tried installing Ubuntu, but it didn't work with my LCD. (Dell 1704FP which it detects) - I tried manually editing the X conf, but everything was set right (res, hsync etc) but whenever I would boot into X/Gnome the monitor would turn off
<Marble2> crimsun: that fixed it
<Marble2> awesome
<Marble2> thanks a ton :)
<crimsun> np
* pinPoint FUDGE YEAH!
<pinPoint> my nic works!!!!
<pinPoint> mwahahahah
<paulproteus> Xira: Remove modelines.
* pinPoint runs around the room
<paulproteus> Remove hsync, vsync.
<paulproteus> Scrub your config clean of everything it's configured about the monitor, and then let X detect the info at runtime.
* pinPoint attempts a hidden ssid and key
<Xira> paulproteus, what's that?
<Xira> Er
<Xira> Well
<Xira> Okay, I guess I can try that.
<paulproteus> Feel free to comment it out rather than deleting it. :)
<Beirdo> anyone here able to tell me why an install of mysql-server needs exim to be installed? :)
<holycow> does anyone what a safe mode on debian/ubuntu might be?
<pinPoint> crimsun: why wont my card work with a router set on ssid broadcast off
<foreach> holycow, isn't it the failsafe* ?
<holycow> foreach, what do you us it for?
<holycow> i've never heard of that before
<Xira> The thing is paulproteus , I now have Fedora Core 3 installed and everything working nicely, so I don't know if I should risk it all and try Ubuntu. :-\
<foreach> I don't know about debian (it's been a while), but I know on my copy of ubuntu, i have a failsafe gnome and a failsafe terminal
<holycow> foreach, they are identical, just fyi
<holycow> >_>
<holycow> lol :) sorry gotta bug ya
<Marble2> grrr... the audio and video are still out of sync :(
<smo> Beirdo: It'd appear to depend on mailx, which requires mail-transport-agent .. of which exim is the default.  What it wants mailx for, I couldn't tell you
<holycow> failsafe terminal?
<Mguel721> can anyone help me ... I am trying to mount a zip drive?
<foreach> holycow, hey, we're all here to learn (even the 'veterans', they just won't admit it)
<holycow> lol wtf is that? whats itused for?
<maxchee> does hoary have boot splash enabled?
<Beirdo> smo: ahh, I missed the mailx in the list :)
<holycow> foreach, hehehe :)
<foreach> holycow, seems to be to boot into gnome w/o running startup scripts
<smo> or rather, mailx requires "exim4 | mail-transport-agent", so if nothing's providing mta, it'll ask for exim4
<holycow> oh, i presume similar for failsafe terminal too?
<Beirdo> sounds like someone has extra dependencies that seem to be senseless at first glance
<foreach> holycow, indeed
<Beirdo> I can understand mailx needing a mail server :)
<holycow> foreach, what are they used for?
<bet0x> Hi all
<bet0x> successfull upgrade to kubuntu :D
<bet0x> From warty
<crimsun> bet0x: excellent.
<bet0x> 41mins downloading packages
<Mguel721> Can anyone tell me how to mount a zip drive?
<bet0x> but works like the hell
<bet0x> :D
<bet0x> ani know here are the spanish language?
<Beirdo> OK.  I guess I should decide on an MTA then
<calc> grr gnome still gets confused with ubuntu automounting behavior
<bet0x> but i see all in english
<calc> i can't make nautilus eject a disk
<calc> er cdrom disk
<crimsun> calc: it worked better with earlier versions of inotify, agreed
<calc> f*ck
<calc> mount doesn't show it mounted either
<calc> but the drive is locked
<Marble2> crimsun: do you know why the audio is out of synch with the video on anything I play? That's what I was trying to fix that caused the resolution problem
<calc> ah nm i see the issue
<calc> the user doesn't have rights to eject from userspace or something like that
* calc tests it some more
<bet0x> a question
<crimsun> Marble2: possibly due to the sound daemon. Which application are you using to play videos?
<pinPoint> my card works for one minute and it stops after i go static
<Marble2> I tried totem-xine and vlc
<bet0x> but with a NON-ROOT user the firefox dont run
<Marble2> using esd as sound
<pinPoint> sh#*(&!
<^thehatsrule^> mplayer?
<Marble2> the audio is a couple seconds late... I think it's the video card
<Marble2> ATI Radeon 9200
<bet0x> i debug in console put "firefox" and make a while
<bet0x> with this text
<crimsun> Marble2: have you tried mplayer with -ao alsa (you'll need to kill esd/polypaudio)
<bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
<bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
<bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
<bet0x> *** loading the extensions datasource
<calc> ah i see part of it, gnome mounts the volume on double click of the icon but then doesn't realize its mounted so you can't unmount it
<NetGeek> evening all
<^thehatsrule^> GeekNet!
<pinPoint> network admin hangs everytime I do DeActivate of wlan0
<Mguel721> Anyone know how to mount a zip drive???
<pinPoint> this is fudging crazy
<pinPoint> fudge! there goes the laptop
<pinPoint> lock up
<pinPoint> its starting to look worse than windows
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<ahijah> yo
<pinPoint> its really jacked up
<pinPoint> seriously
<ahijah> can someone help me with some driver problems?
<NetGeek> finally got xcompset working stable
<pinPoint> i just spent 60 bucks on this thing and it doesnt work fully
<calc> crimsun: guess what just happened? ;)
<ahijah> has anyone tried and got a linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter to work yet?
<calc> crimsun: i tried to eject the disc a second time via the gnome ui and it completely hung the box
<NetGeek> anyone using ipw2200 and hoary?
<calc> NetGeek: i do sometimes with an intel 2915abg card
<NetGeek> calc: you having driver or firmware crashing problems
* ahijah goes and cries in a corner
<crimsun> calc: awesome
<calc> the driver in hoary just plain won't do anything at all for me
<calc> it doesn't work for amd64 afaict
<calc> the one on the sf.net site works though
* pinPoint perhaps i reformat again it might work
<pinPoint> from install without problems
<ahijah> ...
<NetGeek> calc: you use the firmware that comes with hoary
<calc> NetGeek: yes with the upgraded driver off ipw2200.sf.net
<^thehatsrule^> ahijah... wlan?
<ahijah> i cant compile it
<^thehatsrule^> use generic?
<ahijah> <<< dumb
<NetGeek> calc: thanks
<^thehatsrule^> :/
<^thehatsrule^> sorry
<^thehatsrule^> ivenever used wireless
<ahijah> i have wlan but i dont know what to do with it
<pinPoint> there goes my card again
<pinPoint> its working
<^thehatsrule^> are you under a router or something?
<ahijah> i have a 2wire dsl router
<^thehatsrule^> hm... dhcp enabled?
<ahijah> it's not that.. the computer wont recognize the network adapter
<ahijah> in need drivers
<ahijah> lol
<^thehatsrule^> oh... then i have no idea
<^thehatsrule^> forums mebbe?
* ahijah huffs
<ahijah> i looked around.. and all i found was wlan that said it would do it... but i'm guessing it's for RH9 or something cuz i cant install it
<brad_> how can i rename a bunch of file with find?  i have a bunch of files that need renaming.  example:  whatever.a.b needs to be renamed to whatever.a
<GammaRay> brad_: -exec
<ahijah> the file i got was called linux_wlan_ng_0114_pre1.tar.gz
<GammaRay> IE find / -exec rename a b "{}" \;
<platypus> how do i get kubuntu-desktop ?
<crimsun> platypus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<brad_> GammaRay, the extensions are what need to be renamed.  will that work with an expression like *.a.b?
<platypus> crimsun, but when i do apt-cache search kubuntu-desktop it turns out empty
<platypus> crimsun, issit i am missing some entry in my repos ?
* ahijah is overwhelmed with frustration...
<GammaRay> brad_: see man rename... it replaces the first a it finds w/ b in each file
<brad_> ok.  thanks :)
<GammaRay> brad_: there are better ways but they involve sed
<platypus> root@platypus:/home/platypus # apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<platypus> Reading Package Lists... Done
<platypus> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<platypus> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
<regeya> me is seething with boredom
<regeya> ack
<pinPoint> does ifup wlan0 run DHCP? cause my card is static
<pinPoint> set to static ^^^
<regeya> the things that happen when you leave a '/' out
<crimsun> platypus: are you running Warty?
<ax75> where can i find a list of the packages included in ubuntu 5.04?
<platypus> crimsun, i installed from the free disck
<platypus> crimsun, is that warty ?
<crimsun> platypus: sudo sed 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
<crimsun> ax75: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
<ax75> thanks
<pinPoint> someone please tell me i didnt buy this card for nothing
<ahijah> so i'm guessing that my quarry is a lost cause?
<odie5533> Anyone know how to run gnome and kde?
<pinPoint> seems im going throught the same #(&$# as the other cards
<eyequeue> should there be a /etc/ubuntu_version file?
<geneo93>  crimsun i think you worked at a linux heel desk before
<geneo93> s/heel/hell
<GammaRay> odie5533: the login screen should have a choice if you hit the sessions button
<IcedKiwi> hey ppls
<SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know anything about USB Flash cards?
<SeeleyUSMC> I need to format one so I don't end up burning CDs all the time
<^thehatsrule^> flash?
<GammaRay> SeeleyUSMC: they usually come w/ fat32 in them
<IcedKiwi> they are good
<^thehatsrule^> compact flash?
<odie5533> GammaRay, I want to login to both
<odie5533> with the ctrl alt FX keys
<IcedKiwi> we use them at school all the time, if im thinking of the same thing as you
<SeeleyUSMC> GammaRay: It lost its format somehow
<GammaRay> odie5533: try running gdmflexiserver
<platypus> crimsun, any pain in the update process ?
<SeeleyUSMC> GammaRay: DOS says its raw
<SeeleyUSMC> I tried to re-format as FAT in windows so I could transfer between windows and linux
<GammaRay> SeeleyUSMC: try mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 but make sure that's thee right device
<IcedKiwi> brb
<SeeleyUSMC> GammaRay: one more problem, how do I find out where my USB card is at?
<SeeleyUSMC> I have 3 USB ports on my laptop and don't knw where to look
<^thehatsrule^> lol guess
* pinPoint reformatting: hoping install will pickup card 
<^thehatsrule^> choose the middle - its scd2 !
<^thehatsrule^> or w/e it is in ubuntu...
<^thehatsrule^> #2 is middle usually
<ahijah> question.... i have my adapter pluged into my pci usb hub.... would that be a problem in finding it?
<IcedKiwi> it doesnt matter what port, as long as it works
<IcedKiwi> unless your using particular specifications
<crimsun> platypus: you need to then, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<crimsun> platypus: the dist-upgrade worked flawlessly for me
<IcedKiwi> brb
<odie5533> I am setting the sound driver for a program, it wants a /dev/something, what do I set it to?
<floresg> is there a great difference between mandrake 10.2 and ubuntu hoary?
<^thehatsrule^> /dev/dsp ?
<Xenguy> floresg: rpm vs. deb...
<Xenguy> floresg: kde vs. gnome
<geneo93> floresg:  yes hoary has kde 3.4
<GammaRay> Xenguy: kde? how do you figure?
<odie5533> It isnt liking it
<Xenguy> GammaRay: MDK was KDE by default IIRC; Ubu is GNOME by default
<GammaRay> mandrake supports kde and gnome about the same in my opinion
<Xenguy> GammaRay: I don't use it, I just know that when MDK was originally released, it focused on KDE
<GammaRay> mdk used to be "redhat w/ kde" but no longer
<geneo93> mandrake give you more install options
<ax75> actually KDE is supporteed much more in MDK
<GammaRay> ax75: how so?
<IcedKiwi> k im back
<^thehatsrule^> bleh, both have its uses
<ax75> well in MDK, the GNOME is a lookalike of KDE but doesn't do what the KDE desktop does
<ax75> they only make it look the same as KDE, but doesn't even work
<regeya> distributions should leave the desktops alone, really.
<IcedKiwi> what is the difference between GNOME and KDE?
<regeya> mdk butchers gnome, redhat butchers kde.  it shouldn't be necessary.
<JDigital> GNOME is better
<GammaRay> huh? I never thought they were trying to make it look like kde.. and the unified theme they use looks like neigther
<IcedKiwi> lol
<regeya> JDigital...
<regeya> it's a matter of opinion.  personally, when I use GNOME, I think it looks nice but it feels a bit like MacOS 8.
<odie5533> is there any other /dev/ for audio besides dsp?
<IcedKiwi> ive only got GNOME so i cant really comment
<IcedKiwi> there are worse things on this planet than a MacOS
<regeya> when some people use KDE, they feel overwhelmed by (admittedly) bad design and (admittedly) way too many features just right there in your face.
<GammaRay> regeya: I just don't agree that mdk butchers gnome
<jdub> oh dudes
<IcedKiwi> personally, i want to try MacOSX
<jdub> let's not do the gnome v. kde thing here
<regeya> personally I prefer KDE, but not everyone does; oh, whatever, just let me use my KDE desktop in peace. :-)
<IcedKiwi> lol
<IcedKiwi> im gonna go get a cup of tea...
<IcedKiwi> brb
<gratuit> give me twm or give me death!
<GammaRay> eww
<regeya> IcedKiwi: there are things that GNOME gets right that Apple doesn't.  It's nice, but most people see the eye candy and think it'll be just balls.
<ax75> hehe twm
<GammaRay> I think we can all agree on that!
<Xenguy> gratuit: hah
<ahijah> ok i found the adapter in the device manager... not haw do i install a driver for it? device manager doesnt have any comands for that
<mdz> ahijah: what is the make/model of the device?
<GammaRay> I liek certain things about kde but I always am pissed when I run into a wall trying to make it work like xfce or gnome
<GammaRay> s/liek/like
<ahijah> linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter
<floresg> so, if i use mandrake w/ kde and kubuntu, there will essentially be little to no difference
<maxchee> does anyone know how to get nautilus and gnome desktop to auto refresh?
<maxchee> gnome has the same annoying bug as win2k
<IcedKiwi> im back
<GammaRay> floresg: it's mainly focus
<IcedKiwi> my electric jug overflowed, so now im gonna have to get a new one...
<geneo93> floresg:  i told you the diff mandrake is locked at kde 3.3.2 and hoary is kde 3.4
<GammaRay> floresg: mandrake seems to focus on all desktops and as much software as possible.. while ubuntu focuses on gtk and gnome
* ahijah whistles jepordy theme
<GammaRay> atleast that's my opinion
<UdeS-ppc> Hi all!  What do I need to type to reconfigure my xfree86?
<IcedKiwi> how do u get that yellow thing behind your text?
<GammaRay> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I think
<maxchee> GammaRay: KDE is supposed to be windows like and while I don't agree with its ways of making everything under the sun configuration, it actually works well (unlike gnome, which always leaves quite a bit to be desired)
<geneo93> mandrake pretty much sucks anymore
<UdeS-ppc> GammaRay, thanks I'll try that:)
<ax75> i'm gonna move from fedora to ubuntu...
<ax75> had enough of fedora
<IcedKiwi> why would you want to make something look like windows is what im thinking...
<jdub> dudes, the gnome v. kde discussion is best had elsewhere thanks
<JDigital> gnome is awesome
<IcedKiwi> each to her/his own...
<JDigital> wow
<JDigital> lots of people whose names are like jd*
<maxchee> gnome v. kde is lame. I am just hoping that they would share the same drawing library, audio sink etc., so that we have less libraries and dependancies to maintain
<UdeS-ppc> GammaRay: it tells me package 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available
<GammaRay> maxchee: I perfer smooth operation and configuration to "a mess" and I'm not that convinced that gnome really is that unconfigurable
<ax75> if kde and gnome unified to become one, then it'll be the ultimate desktop solution
<crimsun> UdeS-ppc: Hoary?
<IcedKiwi> my ex's initials were DJ
<floresg> if i were to use ubuntu (w/ gnome), could i install kde type programs, like kdevelop, and kwrite, and still use gnome?
<UdeS-ppc> yes
<crimsun> UdeS-ppc: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<maxchee> GammaRay: they problem is not with configuration. Gnome doesn't even have proper menu editing and Dnd
<UdeS-ppc> I killed the X11 session since I had bad graphics
<jdub> maxchee: elsewhere please
<ax75> bye
<GammaRay> UdeS-ppc: well the name may be wrong.. try dpkg -l | grep -i xfree
<IcedKiwi> is there anything out there thats different? something we havent seen before, and there isnt any equivelent of?
<GammaRay> maxchee: that's certainly something to complain about
<GammaRay> maxchee: but I'm glad they atleast are taking their time and doing it right
<UdeS-ppc> crimsun, that is correct, thank you for the info!
<geneo93> IcedKiwi:  yeah BeOS
<IcedKiwi> ...
<PacoBCN> Nautilus upgrade...
<geneo93> goto bebit.com for sample
<PacoBCN> I'd like to know what's new/fixed
<geneo93> bebits.com sorry
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: I know.. tiffani amber thiessen
<IcedKiwi> GammaRay- who?
<ubuntu> none here eh ??
<PacoBCN> yup
<akk> What kernel does hoary use?  The installer kinda munched my /boot, and I'm trying to reconstruct menu.lst.
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: her --> http://www.angelfire.com/va2/Octavian/Tiffani_Amber_Thiessen.jpg
<ubuntu> ill be damned this werks!!!!
<mlambie> Has anyone used ubuntu with SunRay thin clients?
<IcedKiwi> who is she?
<PacoBCN> ugly girl
<mlambie> IcedKiwi: she used to be on Baywatch
<PacoBCN> her face is wider than Arnold
* GammaRay slaps PacoBCN around a bit
<IcedKiwi> im too young to remember that
<IcedKiwi> lol
<IcedKiwi> anyway, its not like i'd go out of my way to look at other females...
<ubuntu> live cd ,,,,just burned it,,,,downloaded iso last night
<PacoBCN> I see nicer girls by the street everyday
<ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
<IcedKiwi> ideas for clothes, maybe, but im straight
<GammaRay> PacoBCN: like the hookers eh?
<PacoBCN> GammaRay, nop, just like Barcelona ;)
<akk> ubuntu: could you do me a favor, tell me what kernel uname -a says it has?
<odie5533> Does anyone here know how to run KDE and Gnome on Ubuntu with the CTRL ALT F1 Keys?
<mlambie> mlambie@stormshadow:~$ uname -r
<mlambie> 2.6.10-5-686
<PacoBCN> where even an ugly guy like me can have a model as gfriend
<PacoBCN> :D
<akk> Thanks, mlambie
<mlambie> np
<mlambie> that's hoary btw
<ubuntu> lemmie see if i can find the damn shell
<ubuntu> 2.6.10-4-386
<akk> Hmm, I guess it must not have written its kernel to /boot.  The newest I have there is 2.6.10-4-386
<maxchee> will ubuntu ever include reiserfs4?
<ubuntu> 2.6.10 kernel !!!
<mrevelle> I'm having trouble installing the package python-serial on a fresh install of the hoary preview.  I'm new to synaptic/apt-get but I added the Ubuntu repositories and the package, python-serial, still isn't showing up in a search.  I know that's the name of the package because of a google search
<ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: well maybe they will jog your memory http://www.boreme.com/bm/MAY03/a/t_dh/info_pic1.jpg
<PacoBCN> btw, I see many applets that aren't really useful added in the default installation while some other, really great like net speed are not included
<IcedKiwi> has anyone got a spare (real) modem they'd like to get rid of? or any other hardware for that matter
<ubuntu> run as root and run updatedb
<crimsun> mrevelle: apt-cache policy python-serial
<akk> The hoary installer gets really unhappy trying to deal with a /boot partition that's been previously written to by FC3.
<IcedKiwi> what year did baywatch finish?
* mlambie just installed python-serial
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it certainly burned my eye out
<crimsun> mlambie: yeah, just doesn't have universe refreshed.
<NeoChaosX> hey, does anyone who uses VLC have video corruption with some WMVs?
<maxchee> NeoChaosX: are your files corrupt?
<NeoChaosX> nope, the file plays fine in other players
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: 2001 it seems
<maxchee> NeoChaosX: mplayer?
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-115/
<NeoChaosX> yeah, it plays fine in mplayer
<NeoChaosX> it'll play in totem-xine but iwth some serious audio sync problems
<mrevelle> crimsun, thanks.. says installed: none and candidate: none
<crimsun> mrevelle: please uncomment/add the universe repository, then refresh
<NeoChaosX> VLC is the only player I've found that doesn't have audio sync troubles with all my files
<mrevelle> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/python/python-serial
<NeoChaosX> i dunno where in VLC to go to fix the corruption
<IcedKiwi> i wasnt even conceived when it started on air
<maxchee> NeoChaosX: their bugzilla
<maxchee> NeoChaosX: and submit the file
<NeoChaosX> I see, I'll try that
<IcedKiwi> and i was only 10 years only when it finished
<mrevelle> crimsun, thanks
<crimsun> mrevelle: np
* sabmoc yawns
<sabmoc> evening ubunters
<SeeleyUSMC> Erm, how do I see if my computer is detecting the USB drive?
<maxchee> NeoChaosX: http://bugzilla.videolan.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi
<ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
<IcedKiwi> mmm
<crimsun> sabmoc: pong
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: you sure make me feel old.. which is pretty strange for 21...
<IcedKiwi> what os are you using Seeley
<SeeleyUSMC> ahijah: I'm having trouble with USB and also my wireless NIC too I hear you brother
<IcedKiwi> well i am 13, GammaRay, i tend to have that effect on people
<ahijah> lol
<SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: I have ubuntu hoary and windows xp
<sabmoc> crimsun, ping ? sup
<ahijah> 13!!!
<IcedKiwi> what are you using when you are trying to use the usb device?
<crimsun> sabmoc: nada.  You pinged earlier?
* SeeleyUSMC is starving
<ahijah> i'm 17!!!
<ahijah> GAH
<SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: Nothing.  I don't know what do do to access it
<SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: its in raw format and windows won't let me format it
<SeeleyUSMC> figured i might be able to in linux
<sabmoc> crimsun, did I? hmm.. dont remember why
<SeeleyUSMC> brb, I NEED something to eat
<IcedKiwi> can u put a html doc on it?
<IcedKiwi> ok
<sabmoc> crimsun, has girl been back today?
<crimsun> sabmoc: "girl"?
<Zepp> I just installed kubuntu and i keep getting sound error saying can't find /dev/dsp so no sound.
<IcedKiwi> is anyone here into programming?
<Zepp> Anyone else had similar issues?
<crimsun> Zepp: cat /proc/asound/modules
<Zepp> IcedKiwi, I enjoy it, but I am only learning
<IcedKiwi> ok
<WW> IcedKiwi: A bit...
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: I got my arm stuck in it a few times
<IcedKiwi> lol
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: yes, and unfortuantely, my fav. lang. is java
<sabmoc> crimsun, they was spamming the irc channel yesterday with profanity, uses several different names, but its always the same address girl@64.247.151.252
<GammaRay> maxchee: buhahahaha!
<crimsun> sabmoc: oh, no idea.  Sorry.
<IcedKiwi> i want to learn, but i dont know what langague to start in
<maxchee> GammaRay: Freaky...
<sabmoc> crimsun, np, no news is good news
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: I'd say that depends on what types of problems you'd like to resolve.
<GammaRay> C and bash here...
<WW> IcedKiwi: python is nice.
* maxchee called an exorcist
<sabmoc> Any Canadians here today?
<IcedKiwi> lol
<maxchee> sabmoc: me
<Zepp> crimsun, there is no asound in /proc
<IcedKiwi> i downloaded the python thing off the website, but it doesnt support my processor
<sabmoc> where abouts maxchee ?
<GammaRay> Canadians? where? get 'em!
<crimsun> Zepp: what sound card?
<sabmoc> GammaRay, bring it! haha
<WW> IcedKiwi: "the python thing"?
<IcedKiwi> crimsun: i just want to learn the theory, and get my brain working...
<Zepp> crimsun, some old like sound blaster awe 64 i think :/
* maxchee digging a hole to hide himself
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: Try Python or Java
<Zepp> IcedKiwi, ya i heard python is nice and easy to learn. java i haven't found bad either, but some people dont like it
<IcedKiwi> WW: the installer thing for the compiler, i think
<akk> Python is nice, definitely.
<sabmoc> maxchee, Im tring to round up interest in a canadian portal for ubuntu, focus on promoting ubuntu in the community. Any interest at all in that for you?
<crimsun> Zepp: please ensure it is an awe64.  Please paste the output from lspnp onto http://pastebin.ca
<maxchee> sabmoc: Great!
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: well you are probably already running the most used language for every day tasks.. the bash shell.
<WW> IcedKiwi: One nice thing about python is you can run python, and experiment with commands.
<SeeleyUSMC> back
<Zepp> crimsun, ok ill double check hehe one sec
<sabmoc> maxchee, mind if I ask what timezone your in?
<maxchee> sabmoc: eastern
<IcedKiwi> i read on a few sites they say that java is a pain in the bum and should be learnt like 4th or 5th
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: depends
<pinPoint> if Ubuntu's main focus is gtk and gnome then why is kde wireless lan manager not ported in gnome as well? isnt wireless and emerging technology ubuntu should be focusing on
<IcedKiwi> when i was like 7 or 8 i experimented with BASIC, but at that age i wasnt very interested
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: Java will prove to be a good challenge when you are trying to optimize swing apps
<pinPoint> an*
<sabmoc> maxchee, ok, im pacific. Im going to put a page up on the wiki tonight if your still around I'll send you the link and if your still interested, uh.. I dunno! haha.
<GammaRay> pinPoint: there are new wireless tools being shipped w/ gnome 2.10
<IcedKiwi> i cant do a thing with bash
<WW> IcedKiwi: You are running ubuntu, right?  What "installer thing for the compiler" would you need for python?
<IcedKiwi> no
<IcedKiwi> i cant use the internet on ubuntu
<IcedKiwi> or fc3, for that matter
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: Java is never very fast. What is sun doing?
<geneo93> python twisted ans nevow is all you need
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: other than Java, try objective C
<Zepp> crimsun, what is pastebin.ca?
<WW> IcedKiwi: Ah, I see.  What are you running on?
<IcedKiwi> objective c?
<crimsun> Zepp: it's a web site.
<pinPoint> what about porting drivers for wireless nics that vendors release to the linux community
<IcedKiwi> xp home
<johnnybezak> do you guys have any idea why i cant have two programs using alsa simultaneously
<Zepp> crimsun, obviously. for? and lspnp isn't a command?
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: of couse, you would want to use a Mac or install GnuStep
<crimsun> johnnybezak: depends on your sound card.
<IcedKiwi> i wish i had a mac....
<johnnybezak> crimsun: its rediculous
<johnnybezak> IcedWiki: i do ;)
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: Objective C is Mac OSX's native language
<crimsun> johnnybezak: your card is called "rediculous"?
<johnnybezak> crimsun: it might as well be :P
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: and apple uses the GCC for Objective C
<IcedKiwi> what is the difference between C, C++ and Objective C?
<GammaRay> pinPoint: well bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file
<crimsun> johnnybezak: there was a strict design choice not to push stream multiplexing as a natively-enabled assumption
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: bash programming can be very simple like: sleep 30 && rm file
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: in the mean time (before you go out and buy a mac mini/ibook/imac/powermac/powerbook), you can use GnuStep libraries
<GammaRay> popey: wrong person...
<johnnybezak> crimsun: how come?
<GammaRay> oh gawd
* GammaRay dies
<crimsun> johnnybezak: not all hardware can support it
<IcedKiwi> gnu step libraries?
<pinPoint> GammaRay: i was gonna say... what in the name
<crimsun> johnnybezak: for instance, yours.
<johnnybezak> crimsun: hm ok
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: Yes
<IcedKiwi> you guys are all confusing me
<crimsun> johnnybezak: so...which sound card?
<johnnybezak> its like powermac tumbler or something
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: Objective C is basically C++ done right
<johnnybezak> crimsun: just the one that came with the mac
<crimsun> johnnybezak: then try the plug:dmix virtual device
<IcedKiwi> ok.....?
<WW> IcedKiwi: The more I think about it, the more sense python makes... try to get it to work!
* maxchee ducks from angry mobs of C++ fans and Oc fans
<crimsun> johnnybezak: kill esd/polypaudio first, of course
<johnnybezak> crimsun: try the what?
<WW> IcedKiwi: And if anyone says you should learn Perl first, run away.
<IcedKiwi> lol
<SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: Device Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: pythong is great for dynamic lang
<IcedKiwi> they teach that at my very microsoft-loving school
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: or another example: for each_file in *.mp3; do rename "new order" "New Order" "$each_file"; done
<crimsun> johnnybezak: open xmms, choose the alsa output plugin, type "plug:dmix" in the device box
<IcedKiwi> a trained monkey could screw up the network
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it's very useful on a daily basis imho
<crimsun> johnnybezak: anyhow, why are you messing with this? doesn't esd/polypaudio work on your powermac?
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: VB is probably the eaisest for typed language
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: although VB.net is not much easier than java
<johnnybezak> crimsun: yeah it does my sound works fine, just if i have gaim playing sounds and rhythmbox one takes the sound card over and no other program can use it
<SeeleyUSMC> Any idea why the music player won't play my MP3's on my windows partitions?
<Zepp> crimsun, when i do a lspci | grep -i audio. nothing even comes up
<Zepp> ?
<crimsun> Zepp: not lspci, ls_pnp_
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: gstreamer-mad installed?
<Zepp> crimsun, ok I will try it. thought would show up with lspci
<Zepp> crimsun, hang on
<crimsun> Zepp: not if it's an awe64, which is isa.
<IcedKiwi> your all making me more confused...
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: this is all default stuff.  i can't even access the net wit it yet
<DonL> me too IcedKiwi
<johnnybezak> IcedKiwi: its a linux irc channel what do you expect :)
<IcedKiwi> lol
<Zepp> crimsun, ya i just opened side panel and was like ahh what the hell this thing looks to be isa. not even pci. bah
<Zepp> stupid old hardware
<IcedKiwi> how do u get that yellow thing?
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: VB, Java, C, C++, Python are probably the most common ones used
<SeeleyUSMC> Device Manager shows that I have the USB mass storage Interface plugged in but I don't know how to use it/ format it
<ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
<maxchee> Seeley: how come?
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: /dev/sda is the device.  The partition will be /dev/sda1 if you've formatted it.
<IcedKiwi> is C++ just a better version of C or something?
<GammaRay> nah
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: because my atheros isn't working out of the box as promised
<akk> It's a superset of C but it ends up being pretty different
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: A more complicated and OOP-enabled version of c
<GammaRay> c++ has built in OOP... which is a plus or a minus based on your opinion
<IcedKiwi> ok
<johnnybezak> c++ is object oriented c isnt it
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: Although not strictly a superset of c
<IcedKiwi> the definition of object oriented please? anyone?
<crimsun> C++ doesn't force you to use the OOP paradigm at all.
<SeeleyUSMC> how do I format the USB drive?
<jnoon> is it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: it's very hard to define
<DonL> I'd dearly love to know all this stuff.
<IcedKiwi> uhuh...
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: you are not dealing with functions, you deal with objects
<Zepp> crimsun, lspnp or ls_pnp_ aren't commands :/
<IcedKiwi> ummmm
* WW recalls hearing that Ruby is also an excellent language, perhaps even nicer than python.
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: a beginning programmer has no intrest in it for sure
<crimsun> Zepp: lspnp is the command.
<johnnybezak> DonL: do a computer course then :)
<crimsun> Zepp: dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii
<IcedKiwi> like things that like work seperate but can work together or something?
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: my java book claim that OOP is also good for beginners
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: do you ever get hungry?
<DonL> Yeah, johnnybezak , I'd love to do that too, but there are things in the way of doing that.
<maxchee> IcedKiwi: at least polymorphism is cool
<IcedKiwi> i had lunch an hour ago
<Zepp> crimsun, lspnp wasn't there. ill try other thing
<GammaRay> maxchee: well they are full of crap (-;
<IcedKiwi> polymorphism?
<calc> a beginner should be learning x86 assembly not OOP ;)
<IcedKiwi> ...
<akk> maxchee: C++ is a fairly complex language; I wouldn't want to start a beginning programmer on it.
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: did you think of eating a meal, or did you think of walking to the store then buying a sandwich then opening the wrapper then ...?
<johnnybezak> DonL: then just buy some books :)
<IcedKiwi> i made some 2 minute noodles
<maxchee> akk: that's why beginner programmers use java
<SeeleyUSMC> how do I format the USB drive? Anyone?
<maxchee> akk: everything is built in a lib
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: what filesystem would you like to use?
<DonL> johnnybezak, the word buy is a problem right now
<maxchee> akk: and it's more academic than .Net
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: but did you think of it as a meal and/or a snack?
<IcedKiwi> meal
<GammaRay> oop is just a strange abstracted (and unproven) way of looking at programming
<SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: fat so i can switch between linux and windows
<Zepp> crimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found
<IcedKiwi> but i have like snacks in between meals
<akk> maxchee: Java's simpler and cleaner, for teaching programming, though something like python or js would be simpler still.
<johnnybezak> DonL: well looks like the internet is all youve got left there is probably some wiki textbook
<IcedKiwi> metabolism issues
<calc> mkfs.vfat
<maxchee> akk: that's true
<DonL> johnnybezak, I'm investigating that right now
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: see? you used OOP already.
* ahijah asks "Question.... does UBUNTU have any real USB support whatsoever?????"
<maxchee> akk: typeless languages removes the problem of choosing the right type
<IcedKiwi> huh?
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: the object is the "meal"
<SeeleyUSMC> haha
<akk> maxchee: Yes, I wish there was something like a typed python.  That would be perfect.
<IcedKiwi> umm
<jnoon> is it possible to disable ipv6 COMPLETELY at install time with a boot command line option?  during install it doesnt detect my DHCP the first time, which I know from experience leads to a very slow connection after install
<crimsun> IcedKiwi: your "meal" is composed of "2 minute noodles"
<calc> ahijah: er yea i use a usb key/mou every day on ubuntu
<maxchee> GammaRay: most people find that book to be very useful
<nicedreams> anyone know if the ubuntu team knows about the performance and sound problems with preview 1 and is there a fix for now?
<IcedKiwi> ok.... and the connection between a high-sodium 'food' and a computer is what?
<maxchee> akk: that would improve performance. But python is never meant for a truly performance apps
* ahijah asks "Question.... if you can use USB devices... how do you install the drivers for one"
<crimsun> nicedreams: "performance and sound problems with preview 1"?
<akk> maxchee: People who use it for big apps seem to say it's pretty fast.  But I've never worked on a big python app myself.
<nicedreams> yes
<crimsun> ahijah: you don't (usually) need to install drivers. What usb device?
<crimsun> nicedreams: describe?
<akk> maxchee: I expect it's probably faster than java ...
<GammaRay> maxchee: well I'm sure they burn most of their brain cells just understanding OOP instead of learning how to program. two seperate things.
<WW> ahijah: I have a printer, a scanner, and an external hard drive connected with USB.  So at least there is *some* USB support. :)
<calc> ahijah: you don't they are already available if they are available period
<nicedreams> other people have said they are experiencing the same thing
<ahijah> i have a Linksys WUSB11 usb 802.11b wireless network adapter.. device manager finds it but doesn't know what it is... it's labled at unknown usb device... i think i have drivers for it but i dont know how to install them..
<nicedreams> in gnome, it says can not play audio device
<nicedreams> i install fluxbox and sound plays fine
<maxchee> akk: I would never understand why python is faster than java. Sun puts too much craps in the JRE?
<crimsun> ahijah: you don't need to install any drivers.
<IcedKiwi> is it advisable to get a cheap 2nd hand computer (like a pentium 3 or something) to practice on?
<nicedreams> anything i do in gnome just doesn't seem to work right...and the performance has dropped
<crimsun> nicedreams: in gnome, did you enable the sound server?
<GammaRay> nicedreams: odd maybe esd is getting in the way somehow
<nicedreams> i install the new nvidia drivers...played some games...rebooted and now it lags so bad
<Zepp> crimsun, no packages pcmcia-cs found?
<nicedreams> yes
<nicedreams> i can hear the intro and exit sounds
<akk> maxchee: Yes, too much overhead in the JVM.
<nicedreams> but once inside...sound does not work
<maxchee> akk: I believe both have memory management. So garbage collector is slow is not the proper argument
<ahijah> then why cant i use my device?
<crimsun> nicedreams: log into gnome, please
<nicedreams> i'm in it with my other machine
<crimsun> ahijah: is your network interface up and running?
<crimsun> nicedreams: pgrep esd ; pgrep polypaudio
<WW> IcedKiwi: Does the Ubuntu LiveCD work on your computer?  If so, you could use that to start experimenting with python.
<ahijah> no.. ubuntu says the my device is unknown
<DonL> nicedreams, did you edit your etc/X11 file?
<maxchee> akk: but hopefully, with VM caching, Java will eventually be faster than python
<Ely__> ok.. first of all I have to say I installed ubuntu hoarty coming from debian and I must say I am IMPRESSED... this thing has probably given me the best default installation out of any distro I have ever used
<nicedreams> DonL: just the nvidia stuff i edited
<nicedreams> DonL: the opengl was running fast
<akk> maxchee: Maybe, if sun stops adding stuff to it every few months.
<IcedKiwi> oh, ive got the os- either fc3 or ubuntu
<nicedreams> DonL: and now it's sloooooow
<IcedKiwi> i just cant use the internet
<mrevelle> trying to install g++...  selecting the package called g++ says it'll go with gcc 3.3, any reason I shouldn't choose the other package that mentions g++-3.4?
<crimsun> Ely__: that was the intention.
<DonL> nicedreams, if you don't edit the file to use the new driver, I think when you reboot, it will go back to nv
<nicedreams> crimsun: i get 6927
<IcedKiwi> and the python 'thingy' wont work under windows
<Ely__> mrevelle, try installing "build-essentials"
<maxchee> akk: wait for GCJ, it should be able to improve the situation
<crimsun> mrevelle: instead, install build-essential
<nicedreams> DonL: it's still nvidia
<SeeleyUSMC> gr...
<mrevelle> Ely__, thanks
<nicedreams> DonL: the xorg.conf looks fine
<nicedreams> DonL: glx gears has slown waaaaaaaaaaay down
<maxchee> akk: compiled java programs should be able to run with efficiency close to that of C++
<crimsun> mrevelle: then if you want g++ 3.4, install g++-3.4
<DonL> ok. I had some problems before, and that's what I learned to do
<crimsun> nicedreams: for which?
<WW> IcedKiwi: OK, use python in ubuntu.  You don't need the internet while you are programming (although it can be nice when you want to google or get some help).
<mrevelle> crimsun, great, thanks
<SeeleyUSMC> fdisk /dev/sda will let me think I can change the format to FAT32 then says I can't write to /dev/sda
<maxchee> akk: and it just offers a really nice way to built write-once, compile-anywhere programs
<nicedreams> crimsun: i ran both and it returned that...i'll do it separate then
<IcedKiwi> i like to save a bunch of html files to a disk and run it off there
<Ely__> man.. I'm running xorg with xcompmgr and shadows.. it runs pretty nice .. but only works with the DRI ati drivers .. anyone got it to work with the official ATI drivers?
<Ely__> this is on a laptop mobility 9600pro
<nicedreams> crimsun: I get 6927 for esd and polyaudio just goes to the next line
<akk> Anyone know what this means?  Booting from the installer cd: isolinux: DIsk error 10, AX=4280, drive EF
<IcedKiwi> so where do i type it into?
<crimsun> nicedreams: ok. Are your sound applications configured to use esd?
<akk> This disc was working earlier today, but now it won't boot.
<linux_galore> Ely__: official ATi drivers have lots of render options missing
<nicedreams> crimsun: i don't know...this is just a default install of preview 1
<nicedreams> crimsun: i get the same problem at a workstation at work i installed it fresh on
<Zepp> crimsun, no idea?
<maxchee> seeleyusmc: tried ndiswrapper?
<crimsun> nicedreams: for instance, does Rhythmbox work?
<SeeleyUSMC> Why can't I format my USB flash drive???
<crimsun> Zepp: sec, busy with too many things
<linux_galore> Ely__: one of the reasons I only use nvidia with Linux
<Ely__> linux_galore, it's funny how ATI calls the themselves the leader in the gfx indsutry.. as much as I love their hardware *cry*
<Zepp> crimsun, ok, sorry I will wait. just drop me msg/query when you free
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: I was told to use madwifi because its made for atheros and i read a bit and it has my exact chipset
<crimsun> Zepp: you are using hoary, correct?
<Zepp> crimsun, ya the kubuntu hoary preview
<Ely__> linux_galore, the nvidia options for my laptop were pathetic performers in 3d
<SeeleyUSMC> but i want to move the files with my usb so i don't have to reboot and burn and reboot all the time and waste cds
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: and it didn't work?
<nicedreams> crimsun: nope...  and i installed xmms to try that and it doesn't work...  So I install fluxbox and everything works fine
<jnoon> is it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?
<crimsun> Zepp: ok, and it's an awe64?
<nicedreams> crimsun: same with the pc at work with the fresh install of preview 1
<crimsun> nicedreams: which output is xmms using?
<Zepp> crimsun, ya i am pretty sure
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: I don't have it on there yet.
<optiks> afternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed for some reason?
<perhe> Im trying to fix my wlan and when attempting to compile some stuff from ipw2200.sf.net I get "/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop." .. what can I do to fix this ?
<nicedreams> crimsun: was on oss and didn't work and put it on alsa and it doesn't work
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: i need tomove the files from this laptop (buddies) to mine via my USB flash card but its raw and windows won't format it and i can't firgure out how in linux
<crimsun> Zepp: do this: sudo modprobe snd-sbawe isapnp=0
<crimsun> nicedreams: now switch it to esd
<Zepp> crimsun, ok. one moment
<nicedreams> crimsun: usually i don't have an issue with ubuntu, but ever since I put preview 1 on from scratch...it's been screwy
<Ely__> perhe, read the installation docs.. that means you need a sym link called build to your kernel source
<IcedKiwi> with my flash key, you didnt have to format it
<IcedKiwi> you just stuck the files straight on
<SeeleyUSMC> IcedKiwi: its lost its format somehow  and i need to reformat it
<nicedreams> crimsun: hmmm...works now
<nicedreams> crimsun: why is that?  I have it on alsa in fluxbox and it works though
<crimsun> perhe: do you have a live Internet connection on that computer?
<IcedKiwi> have you emailed the manufacturer
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: tried plugging it into your computer?
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: yes
<crimsun> nicedreams: fluxbox does not use a sound daemon; gnome does
<perhe> crimsun, yes, using it right now
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: does it mount?
<crimsun> perhe: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<SeeleyUSMC> windows detects it and all then says it needs to be formatted and brings up the formatting window then says it cant format
<linux_galore> Ely__: yeah I have a buddy who has cedega (Ive got a copy too) we did some tests with some windows games, and his ATi card wouldnt render some high end render effects ie water, shadows,mist  but my fx5900 card worked fine....bit of research and we found ATi drivers dont have 64 bit render support but nvidia does in Linux
<nicedreams> crimsun: why did it used to work in alsa?  did they change something in preview 1?
<perhe> crimsun, thx, will do!
<SeeleyUSMC> linux doesnt do anything
<crimsun> perhe: ipw2200 should work by default
<SeeleyUSMC> it says its there in the device manager but i don't know how to access it
<SeeleyUSMC> crimsun: my atheros AR212 is supposed to work right out of the box too.. but look where i am
<crimsun> SeeleyUSMC: did you ever see if it's enabled in bios?
<perhe> crimsun, I'm having trouble at least .. can't activate my card
<WW> IcedKiwi: By the way, Ubuntu comes with a Python book: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/index.html
<Ely__> lifeless, that's really sad to hear.. considering how their firegl line of cards are used on *nix boxes for CGI
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: hav you tired mounting on linux?
<IcedKiwi> oh ok
<SeeleyUSMC> I'm not sure how maxchee
<IcedKiwi> how do u run a live cd?
<crimsun> nicedreams: polypaudio was reverted to esd.
<perhe> crimsun, I got that stuff compiled now at least, so I will continue will the install doc from the project site and see how it goes
<Zepp> crimsun, did that....
<perhe> with*
<linux_galore> cedega = allows you to play windows games on Linux with next to no loss in fps speed
<crimsun> nicedreams: polypaudio was configured to release the audio device after idle; esd wasn't by default
<Ely__> perhe, I'm using the 2200 stuff that come with ubuntu outof the box and it works flawlessly
<nicedreams> crimsun: thx for the help...i'll try and fix my performance problem
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: actually, try this program: http://www.universalsmartdrive.net/standard/downloads.htm
* ahijah yawns
<WW> IcedKiwi: Assuming your computer is set up to boot from the CD, you just put the Live CD in the drive and reboot.
<Ely__> oops.. forgot to mention I'm using hoary beta
<GammaRay> IcedKiwi: burn the disk and make sure your bios boots from the cd before the disk
<crimsun> Zepp: returned straight to prompt?
<Marble2> How can I route windows from certain apps to a specific instance in gnome (you know, the 4 things in the bottom right corner? What's it called anyway)
<IcedKiwi> yeah
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: linux is supposed to mount the flash drive automatically (by plugging it in)
<Zepp> crimsun, yes
<linux_galore> Im downloading Kubuntu 5.04
<IcedKiwi> i always have it setup to do that
<IcedKiwi> what is kubuntu?
<crimsun> Zepp: now log out and back into kde
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: the links to the MSI's don't go anywhere
<Ely__> ubuntu with KDE
<perhe> Ely__, well I have no idea .. all I know is that my card won't activate .. perhaps this is not the problem then
<Zepp> crimsun, alright one moment
<linux_galore> only getting 125k/s on the download........:-(
<calc> crimsun: the ipw2200 drives in ubuntu kernel are pretty old
<Ely__> perhe, ever gotten it to work in linux before??
<crimsun> calc: k
<IcedKiwi> i can only install one linux at a time, and today i got fc3, so naturally i installed it
<IcedKiwi> lol
<calc> crimsun: i know for certain they don't work on amd64, but they should work on what the cards come in... centrinos ;)
<perhe> Ely__, no, it's all rather new
<Ely__> perhe, make sure the card is "on" before trying to get a lease or such
<Ely__> perhe, what laptop?
<linux_galore> fc3 is sooo broken.....I threw it in the bin
<perhe> Ely__, gl1557
<IcedKiwi> lol
<DonL> me too, linux_galore
<IcedKiwi> i bought it for $20 AUD from the NewsAgent. I have an impulse-buying problem
<calc> on amd64 it failed to even upload the firmware with the old driver (iirc)
<IcedKiwi> if i wasnt saving for a new cpu, i would have walked out with a lot more
<GammaRay> linux_galore: it took a couple of installs to get it working here.. the installer even crashed cuz it ran out of space
<Ely__> perhe, is there an indicator light for your wireless showing that it's active?? on some laptops the card is not active by default in linux .. you might have to make changes in bios or turnit on manually using the switch
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: Linux Format DVD version magazine has SuSE 9.2 bootable DVd version on the cover AU$24
<Ely__> perhe, if that's all setup and dandy then we can look at the driver problem
<IcedKiwi> i dont have a dvd drive :'(
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: fully installable too
<njan> I have 3, and I don't regularly use any of them :p
<perhe> Ely__, there's a light here which will be on if the wireless is active .. but right now Im just trying to activate the card
<IcedKiwi> care to send me one?
<perhe> Ely__, If I try to activate it, then it deactivates itself autoamticly
<IcedKiwi> lol
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: get a JVC DVDrom from interbyte for AUD$35
<njan> IcedKiwi, wouldn't be much use; all bar one are laptop dvd drives, and I can't give the one away, because it's technically not mine :p
<IcedKiwi> oh ok
<IcedKiwi> lol
<GammaRay> is it even legal to duplicate suse cds?
<DonL> Thanks for the chat folks. I'm off now to watch a movie
<njan> GammaRay, probably not.
* GammaRay shudders over the thought
<IcedKiwi> i only have $21
<calc> GammaRay: once novell bought them they distribute the dvd at least online
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: there up near thornleigh
<calc> not sure about cds
<njan> GammaRay, apart from the ftpinstall CD..
<IcedKiwi> and its probably going on a real modem
<IcedKiwi> external
<IcedKiwi> i just generally need a new computer
<MMond> I am terribly lost -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s . . . can anyone at least give a mere hint on where to begin tackling this problem
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: live in Sydney I have a spare external
<Redwraith111> Hey all
<IcedKiwi> ive had the same one, with no upgrades since 2002
<IcedKiwi> its wasnt even great, then
<IcedKiwi> i live in Brisbane
<GammaRay> if you make me buy it that's fine.. but to have a non free license onm parts of it is just too much
<Redwraith111> How can I get mp3's working on hoary?
<Redwraith111> I have tried.. I cant get it
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: Im in brisbane come wed
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: partition magic under windows
<MMond> Redwraith111: xmms? :s
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone?  I've been looking for USB and wireless help all day and been running in circles
<calc> they have a 67MB cd image and 3.3GB dvd image on their ftp site
<crimsun> Redwraith111: enable the universe repo and sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
<Redwraith111> yeah
<IcedKiwi> im at school on wednesday
<linux_galore> lol
<Redwraith111> i installed xmms
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: fdisk/parted/qtparted under linux if the disk mounts
<IcedKiwi> yeah
<Redwraith111> now i broke it
<Redwraith111> it froze on me when i tried to play an mp3
<crimsun> Redwraith111: change the output plugin to use esound
<Redwraith111> i restarted x
<Redwraith111> and now it wont work at all
<IcedKiwi> maths exam that im probably gonna get a c on
<linux_galore> goto visit my parents just south of brisbane
<IcedKiwi> redlands?
<IcedKiwi> logan?
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: does your drive mount in gnome by simply plugging it in to your machine
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: yeah near there......forgot the suburb
<IcedKiwi> lol
<IcedKiwi> ok
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: no
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they just moved into a new house in dec
<IcedKiwi> i live on the west-ish side
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: own a copy of partition magic?
<Redwraith111> that package doesnt exist
<IcedKiwi> but my grandparents and and uncle live in the redlands
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: nope but I'm sure i can "find someone who has it"
<IcedKiwi> i used to
<maxchee> SeeleyUSMC: have looked up your drive's manufacture's website (they might have special utilities)
<MMond> Can anyone help me? Or should I maybe repeat all of that again? :x
<SeeleyUSMC> maxchee: they don't have support downloads for it
<Redwraith111> how can i unbreak xmms
<crimsun> Redwraith111: restart xmms
<Ely__> Redwraith111, use beep-media-player !!! I'm a self proclaimed promoter of that player
<Redwraith111> ?
<Redwraith111> I got xmms installed
<GammaRay> Redwraith111: oh please
<Redwraith111> now it wont open again
<crimsun> Redwraith111: does xmms crash when you open it?
<Redwraith111> it doesnt open anymore
<Ely__> modern times call for a modern media player! down with gtk 1.x
<Redwraith111> at all
<GammaRay> Ely__: oh please..
<IcedKiwi> brb- im getting thirsty
<Redwraith111> nevm
<GammaRay> Redwraith111: that was meant for Ely__
<Redwraith111> i can run it from console
<crimsun> Redwraith111: ok. Now go to preferences -> plugins -> output
<crimsun> Redwraith111: change it to esound
<GammaRay> Redwraith111: the path is probably wrong in a the launcher
<Redwraith111> esound or alsa
<Redwraith111> my sndcard is alsa
<crimsun> Redwraith111: esound.
<Redwraith111> hmm
<Redwraith111> doesnt work
<Redwraith111> it says: make sure yada yada
<crimsun> Redwraith111: is esd or polypaudio running?
<GammaRay> Ely__: try gtk2 sometime on my computer.. no fun
<Redwraith111> whats that
<Ely__> GammaRay, how fast?
<tsume> question
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: victoria point
<crimsun> Redwraith111: open a Terminal and type: pgrep esd
<tsume> I installed ubuntu hoary
<GammaRay> Ely__: K6-2 266 w/ 128MB ram..
<tsume> and.. sshd only starts on ::1
<tsume> which is tcp5
<tsume> tcp6
<tsume> am I missing something?
<Ely__> GammaRay, that would explain it.. but I don't blame that on GTK2 .. there is a cost for eyecandy
<crimsun> tsume: it's both ipv4 and ipv6
<dampjam> I really messed up xorg.  Is there an easy way to run through the xorg configurator that I did when I first installed hoary?
<Redwraith111> 25121
<Ely__> hence why we want faster computers
<tsume> crimsun: it only started on ::1
<tsume> crimsun: I looked
<virtuald> ::1 == ipv6 localhost
<tsume> virtuald: I'm aware
<virtuald> tsume: check the config
<Redwraith111> thast the output i got 25121
<crimsun> tsume: openssh-server listens on ipv4 and ipv6
<virtuald> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
<tsume> crimsun: I know!
<MMond> Are there any conflictions with apache2 and php4 and ubuntu? o.0
<tsume> crimsun: its not listening on ipv4 however!
<crimsun> tsume: tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
<IcedKiwi> k im back
<crimsun> tsume: ^^ doesn't appear at all?
<Redwraith111> what else could be blocking the soundcard?
<JDahl> MMond, I use it without problems
<tsume> tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
<maxchee> dampjam: X-configuration
<maxchee> dampjam: xorgcfg
<tsume> only ipv6, not ipv4
<tsume> I need ipv4
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they live at victoria point
<crimsun> tsume: then it's working just fine ... and listening on both ipv4 and ipv6
<Redwraith111> could my sblive drivers not be installed?
<IcedKiwi> i used to live there!
<crimsun> tsume: it _is_ listening on ipv4
<ahijah> I have Ubuntu Version 4.10... has there been a kernal update recently?
<Ely__> anyone knows how I can get codecs for totem?? the default installation of totem doesn't seem to be able to play divx files
<tsume> crimsun: I don't think so
<MMond> JDahl: Any chance you can spare a sec to view my problem? -->  -- trying to get LAMP going on, but having major troubles. First I installed mysql, apache, and php.. everything worked perfectly. Then I saw there was apache 2 available.. uninstalled everything, and reinstalled php, mysql, and apache2 . . . now I have apache2 working.. but the php doesn't work . . . :s
<Ely__> I search apt universe sources and no luck
<crimsun> tsume: I _know_ so.
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: I used to live at Jamboree Heights when i was there
<Ely__> ed*
<tsume> crimsun: it means its listening on tcp6 only
<IcedKiwi> ok
<IcedKiwi> I live near Indooroopilly
<tsume> crimsun: and if it doesn't, then that means linux's netstat is broken
<Redwraith111> will a restart help at all?
<tsume> crimsun: I can telnet to the ipv6, not ipv4
<Zepp> crimsun, seems to be sound in kde now. you how can i have module load at boot always now? or will it
<SiRrUs> good evening gentlemen
<crimsun> tsume: sshd listens on all interfaces by default
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: lol my mum used to drag me around the shopping center at indoorpilly.......used to be nice and new back then
<tsume> crimsun: by default yes
<crimsun> Zepp: echo snd-sbawe | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
<IcedKiwi> lol
<atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
<tsume> crimsun: then this means something is messing up with this "default" system
<IcedKiwi> i go there at least twice a week
* ahijah asks "whats the lates version of ubuntu out?"
<JDahl> MMond, maybe you forgot to install libapache2-mod-php4? that's a typical mistake
<IcedKiwi> its got everything but a competent computer shop
<crimsun> tsume: ,,telnet localhost 22'' does what?
<maxchee> dampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: they still have the big water feature in the middle or did they dump that
<maxchee> dampjam: this is probably safer: apt-get --reinstall install xorg-common
<SiRrUs> ahijah check the topic ;)
<tsume> crimsun: hangs
<IcedKiwi> not at indro
<tsume> and I see why :)
<IcedKiwi> they have one at carindale though
<odie5533> Does anyone know how to run gnome and kde at the same time?
<JDahl> MMond, there shouldn't be anything to it... just install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and you're set to go
<tsume> there is no ipv4 address assigned to localhost by install default
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi: must have removed it
<tsume> theres something wrong here
<crimsun> tsume: there absolutely are, or several things will break horridly
<maxchee> does anyone who the relationship between xrender, dri and openfl?
<tsume> crimsun: theres something really wrong here
<crimsun> tsume: something happened on _your_ install
<maxchee> sorry, opengl
<tsume> crimsun: I know its localhost
<tsume> crimsun: sshd is getting confused I think
<linux_galore> maxchee: here all different
<Redwraith111> anyone have any ideas on the sound?
<IcedKiwi> what does it mean when there is a yellow background to someones text?
<crimsun> tsume: what does the following do: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
<MMond> I was hoping it would had been that easy.. almost Windows style - checking off a few things on Synaptic and I'm good to go.. with apache it was pretty simply, but there seem to be a lot more troubles now that I've installed a few more mods.. I'm getting nasty port errors and whatnot - and I haven't even touched anything everything is at defauly-- or should be..
<maxchee> linux_galore: what does xrender do then?
<optiks> afternoon. I downloaded hoary-amd64 and it's kubuntu ... is that abnormal? or has it changed to kde for some reason?
<atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
<crimsun> Redwraith111: what error did you get with xmms (esd output)?
<Redwraith111> the one about the resourse being busy
<crimsun> Redwraith111: with esound?
<Redwraith111> and in terminal i get the error :
<tsume> crimsun: still hangs ;)
<MMond> simple* default*
<atek> how come when i try to install a plugin for mozilla i get that i couldnt get to E:?
<tsume> I'm curious why sshd doesn't want to listen on 127.1 22
<Redwraith111> nothing.. but it says device busy
<linux_galore> maxchee: opengl is in direct competition to Direct X  dri is a low level render option think hardware and xrender is a software render option
<Redwraith111> Coudnt open audio
<tsume> it does in fact listen on 192.168.1.3
<Redwraith111> check that your sound card is installed properly etc
<IcedKiwi> whats that number?
<maxchee> linux_galore: so xrender pairs up with dri and mesa pairs up with native open driver?
<crimsun> Redwraith111: what was the output of ''pgrep esd,, ?
<JDahl> MMond, I've never had problems... but I havent had both apache1.3 and apache2 installed on the same time. The "no-brainer" solution could be to purge everything related to apache and start over with only apache2.0
<crimsun> tsume: please paste me the output of ,,ip a'' (sanitise if you're paranoid)
<linux_galore> maxchee: well dri is often not activated with some drivers its built in.....mesa is just another lib
<crimsun> (in private or in #flood)
<tsume> crimsun: minute, let me ask another question
<tsume> is sshd installed by default?
<crimsun> no.
<crimsun> you need to install openssh-server.
<tsume> crimsun: I don't remember the install menu
<tsume> crimsun: oh
<Zepp> crimsun, any idea why sometimes sound will play or not play sorta. or will like cut out. kinda like something else is using the audio device or takes it over :/
<tsume> crimsun: my friend was installing ubuntu, hence the questions I couldn't answer
<IcedKiwi> Hey DarthFrog
<DarthFrog> hi IcedKiwi
<IcedKiwi> did you get some sleep?
<micmur> Hey all
<Redwraith111> 25121
<IcedKiwi> or food
<Redwraith111> that is the output of pgrep esd
<crimsun> Zepp: I need much more information, for instance any errors displayed regarding sound and which applications...
<DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: Just came back from dinner out. :-)
<linux_galore> yeah need openssh-server and port 22 open to get a remote host login to the localhost
<DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It's 9 pm here.
<IcedKiwi> how was it?
<IcedKiwi> ok
<IcedKiwi> its 3pm here
<linux_galore> date:
<linux_galore> Sun Mar 20 16:02:23 EST 2005
<Zepp> crimsun, no errors. and just kaffeine. was trying to just play some wav grabbed off net to test. sometimes it seems like it would play and others it played but nothing came out :/
<crimsun> Redwraith111: ok, good.  Now please do this in a Terminal: cat /proc/asound/modules
<MMond> JDahl: What I have been doing is a complete removal of everything related to anything of this sort.. proxy settings, apache, php, etc., and doing a complete fresh install.. but I think I might had missed something .. apache2 is currently working, but when I try to go to a php file.. I get the stupid "save dialog" . . . I can't figure out what else it could be..
<micmur> Anybody familar with alsa?
<crimsun> micmur: what's up?
<tsume> ubuntu is nice
<micmur> HEY!
<maxchee> will gnome & gtk support dnd in its filechooser widget in a future version?
<micmur> Just the man I was looking for
<tsume> everything works :
<Redwraith111> 0 snd_intel8x0
<Redwraith111> 1 snd_emu10k1
<tsume> :)
<micmur> How are you doing?
<crimsun> micmur: not bad, being bombarded. Yourself?
<linux_galore> lol Ubuntu servers seem to be getting hammered right now
<micmur> Pretty good thanks
<crimsun> Redwraith111: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0m
<JDahl> MMond, just removing with either "apt-get remove" or synaptic wont help... you need dpkg --purge to remove all debconf information from the apt database
<maxchee> I expect to be able to drag a file from the filechooser to the trash applet
<micmur> crimsun: Here's the problem
<maxchee> or the desktop
<maxchee> or any folders
<MMond> JDahl: I am a total nub at this -- where exactly do I place the php files? :s
<micmur> crimsun: I have sound but when I boot the sound is severely distorted. Also happens when I use mplayer
<linux_galore> ack another 2 hours for Kubuntu
<MMond> I am a total nub to linux/ubuntu/apache/php/mysql . . . :x
<micmur> crimsun: In mplayer, I can't change sound output to esd either...and xmms only works with OSS
<Redwraith111> ok...
<Redwraith111> im using the sndblaster though..
<crimsun> micmur: even with mplayer -ao esd ?
<JDahl> MMond, the php files go the same places as html files (e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install)
<micmur> mplayer doesn't have that option
<goxy> hey i have intel 536ep modem and this not work help me
<crimsun> Redwraith111: apparently alsa's primary device is the onboard ac97 in your situation, not the sblive.
<micmur> crimsun: I only have mpegp, oss, null, or pcm as options in mplayer
<crimsun> Redwraith111: what was the output of that command I gave you?
<Redwraith111> nothing
<IcedKiwi-im> one thing i've noticed about irc is that you dont as many weirdos giving you links for porn sites
<crimsun> Redwraith111: are you using warty or hoary?
<Redwraith111> hoary
<linux_galore> <-- has SB Live works fine
<Redwraith111> i got the sndblaser to work by changing the alsa setting to the sndblaser instead of default
<IcedKiwi-im> its IcedKiwi, but i got disconnected and had to get a new name...
<Redwraith111> my onboard doesnt seem to want to work and it was default
<Redwraith111> how can i get x or gnome to make a sound and see if it works?
<Redwraith111> gaim...
<MMond> (e.g., ~www-data on a fresh install) <-- Could you please elaborate that? /
<crimsun> Redwraith111: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
<holycow> IcedKiwi, sure, you just the fat fucks masquarading as 12 year old girls
<micmur> crimsun:I go to play a quicktime file from apple.com and get video but very distorted and choppy sound
<holycow> 40 year old fat fucks even
<crimsun> Redwraith111: type that entire command into the Terminal
<holycow> ehe
<holycow> >_>
<IcedKiwi-im> im actually13
<Redwraith111> i did
<JDahl> MMond, or ~/public_html might be saner for testing since you dont need admin privs
<Redwraith111> options snd-intel8x0 index=-2
<Redwraith111> is output
<crimsun> Redwraith111: good, now reboot.
<Redwraith111> x or the entire comp?
<crimsun> Redwraith111: reboot.
<Redwraith111> kk
<Redwraith111> then come back or should sound work everywhere?
<crimsun> Redwraith111: well I'd appreciate it if you let me know either way
<Redwraith111> brb
<Redwraith111> then i have another question to ask yo
<Redwraith111> u
<Redwraith111> about gaim switchboard errors
<Redwraith111> i was runing debian two days ago
<Redwraith111> and got them
<Redwraith111> with firestarter running
<crimsun> "switchboard"?
<MMond> JDahl: http://127.0.0.1/apache2-default/, this seems to be the address for the local server, what would be the absolute path for the files, within my harddrive?
<Redwraith111> now ubuntu is doing it too
<JDahl> MMond, the files you see when you type "http://localhost" in firefox are stored in ~www-data... but you should test stuff in ~/public_html
<Redwraith111> and there is no firewall
<linux_galore> ?? @ switchboard
<crimsun> Redwraith111: ok, let's tackle the sound first.
<Redwraith111> nvm.. they only go when u arent connected enough
<Redwraith111> see you on the flip
<linux_galore> <-- on gaim
<crimsun> micmur: what happens if you use alsa directly with mplayer?
<Redwraith111> i dont use sudo because i set up the root account and just su
<IcedKiwi-im> neway, linux_galore, u said u have a spare external modem?
<micmur> crimsun:how would I do that?
<JDahl> MMond, of course you need to create ~/public_html and make it readable for all
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi yeah gathering dust
<Zepp> How can i use xmms with the kde sound system. kde just takes over the sound device and nothing else can play until its idle time hits and it lets go :/
<IcedKiwi-im> care to post it to me?
<IcedKiwi-im> lol
<linux_galore> IcedKiwi pffft
<IcedKiwi-im> huh?
<linux_galore> bugger that
<IcedKiwi-im> fine then....
<crimsun> micmur: mplayer -ao alsa <some file>
<JDahl> MMond, I should also mention that if you use ~/public_html, then the correct url would http://localhost/~username
<MMond> Mmm, simply plain off - what files from synaptic would I need to get LAMP going on?
<Redwraith111> thanks crimsun
<Redwraith111> it works like a charm
<IcedKiwi-im> wb, redwraith
<micmur> crimsun:I'll try that now...
<Redwraith111> lets see if it works in xmms
<Redwraith111> with the esound
<wpiku> anyone know why a new ubunty hoary install would fail on "Stopping tasks: ===" which is during the kernel/initrd load
<aspuru> How come I can't get totem or wxvlc or tuxracer to use the sound?
<Redwraith111> im really interested in learning what that DID
<wpiku> ubuntu even
<aspuru> although gnome uses the sound?
<Redwraith111> like i saw the command but im really knew
<aspuru> (same or similar problem)
<JDahl> MMond, maybe first find a simple php test script, and make sure it works? It shouldnt be hard
<crimsun> Redwraith111: you don't need esound in xmms
<crimsun> Redwraith111: you can set it to oss or alsa
<pinPoint> how do you close dselect
<Redwraith111> alright
<pinPoint> the ones that are 'floating'
<wpiku> this is amd64 too
<Redwraith111> but what did that all "gibberish" mean
<Redwraith111> like i cant do that by myself lol if i reinstall
<crimsun> pinPoint: scroll down to quit and press enter
<Redwraith111> thanks alot
<Redwraith111> im gonna try to get my printer working
<Redwraith111> i got it working in deb so...
<Redwraith111> lets see
<pinPoint> crimsun: can there be ones that are... in memory
<crimsun> Redwraith111: that last command told alsa to choose any other command over your onboard.
<Redwraith111> ill bb in 5 min
<pinPoint> aspuru: you got wxvlc working
<crimsun> Redwraith111: rather, any other sound card over...
<MMond> JDahl: Well as far as testing.. I'm simply having this put in: http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin/ . . . it gives me a dialog saying "save this file," so obviously at this - php is not properly installed . . . but what would be the absolute path within my harddrive at the files?
(micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: Playing alsa.
(micmur/#ubuntu) File not found: 'alsa'
(micmur/#ubuntu) Failed to open alsa
(MMond/#ubuntu) And I'm just asking the absoulte path merely out of curiousity - I can't do anything now it seems, but I would like to know :s
<Redwraith111> wow that was insanely easy
<Redwraith111> i didnt even have to install cups or anything@
<Redwraith111> !*
<crimsun> micmur: no, you need a file
<crimsun> micmur: mplayer -ao alsa foo.mp3
<linux_galore> Zepp: you can use kmplayer  just kde front end to mplayer that way it sync's with artsd fine
<Redwraith111> YES YES
<crimsun> micmur: like that.
<Redwraith111> god.
<Redwraith111> lol
<Redwraith111> thanks all
<crimsun> Redwraith111: np
<micmur> k
<Redwraith111> how can i share it with a windows PC?
<micmur> That's what I did...
<Zepp> linux_galore, what about xmms?
<aspuru> pinpoint with no audio yes
<crimsun> Redwraith111: windows pc should be able to access files on your ubuntu computer?
<micmur> crimsun: sudo mplayer --ao alsa /home/micmur/Music//home/micmur/Desktop/Music/u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp3
<linux_galore> Zepp: kde has juk  its like itunes on steroids
<Redwraith111> i dunno.. did smb set up?
<crimsun> micmur: no need for sudo
<micmur> crimsun: that's what I typed in
<Zepp> linux_galore, bro/family sorta used to winamp. dont know if can get them to convert haha
<crimsun> micmur: just -ao, not --ao
(Redwraith111/#ubuntu) but they have to have a user account on here dont htey?
(micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun: no go
(Redwraith111/#ubuntu) just set it up exactly as that one (name and password?)
(micmur/#ubuntu) crimsun:Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
(micmur/#ubuntu) Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
(linux_galore/#ubuntu) Zepp: well juk has an advanced play list editor plus it can build a database for all the songs and make it searchable and even hook into online databases for cd covers and artist info for the song
(micmur/#ubuntu) amongst other things
<crimsun> micmur: that's not a fatal error for mplayer
<IcedKiwi-im> eh
<micmur> crimsun:It's telling me that it's Playing -.
<micmur> Reading from stdin...
<IcedKiwi-im> i need a hobby... the internet is getting boring...
<micmur> crimsun:but I'm getting nothing...mplayer didn't even popup
<linux_galore> micmur: run player at root first  is  sudo gmplayer
<linux_galore> ie
<micmur> k
<linux_galore> bet it works
<crimsun> micmur: I think you're using the wrong syntax
<ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
<micmur> crimsun:ok, now mplayer opens
<MMond> JDahl: Mm, given up helping? o.0 Please say so if you have :x
<Redwraith111> icedkiwi... can you help me get my linux printer shared with windows? if your bored
<IcedKiwi-im> lol
<Redwraith111> im serious :)
<IcedKiwi-im> im not smart enought to do that
<Redwraith111> Well crimsun when your done I would appreciate your expertise
<ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
<Redwraith111> Plus I like worship you now
<micmur> sudo gmplayer -ao alsa some file doesn't work. It open but still distorted sound (playing at 2x speed)
<IcedKiwi-im> wouldnt you need file compatibility, but for a printer? or something
<linux_galore> micmur: trick I have with mplayer is to first run it as root then I go  sudo cp  /root/./mplayer*  /home/user_name   then sudo chown -R user_name  /home/user_name/./mplayer
<Redwraith111> lol guys.. here we go again
<Redwraith111> yesterday i spent 2 hours setting up my ati drivers on deb
<crimsun> linux_galore: whoa, no need for all that.
<Redwraith111> will i have to do what i did here?
<crimsun> Redwraith111: using fglrx?
<Redwraith111> yeah
<Zepp> linux_galore, ya I will see.
<JDahl> MMond, I was answering a few emails... from what you describe it seems that php is not installed
<crimsun> Redwraith111: much simpler.  Read the relevant section of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<linux_galore> crimsun: thats not all of it then I had to copy the /etc/mplayer/codecs  file to /home/user_name/codecs.conf
<Redwraith111> printing was a HELL of alot easier too
<MMond> JDahl: Seems so . . . plain off, what files are needed to get php on apache?
<IcedKiwi> ive spent about 10 or so hours trying to find the right thingy to make my winmodem work in Linux
<Zepp> I think this computer needs a faster cpu haha or more ram, or both
<crimsun> linux_galore: not sure why you're even messing with all that.
<Zepp> kde is a bit heavy on it. but oh well
<linux_galore> crimsun: then it all worked fine........plays anything as a user
<crimsun> micmur: please close all instances of mplayer
<linux_galore> crimsun: because mplayer wont built the ./mplayer stuff properly as a user
<IcedKiwi> and nothing to show for it, either
<linux_galore> built = setup
<Redwraith111> can i use xf86config to allow my comp to use higher res's?
<JDahl> MMond, first please create ~/public_html and store an html file there... then use "http://localhost/~username/file.html" as the url in firefox.. that way at least you know where to store files. Otherwise type "cd ~www-data" like I mentioned
<micmur> crimsun:done
<crimsun> micmur: now do this: pkill esd ; pkill polypaudio ; mplayer -ao alsa ~/Desktop/Music/"u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb/01.u2-vertigo-rns.mp3"
<JDahl> MMond, as for php, you just need to write "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4"
<linux_galore> crap Im dont to 56k/s on this Kubuntu download
<crimsun> micmur: and really, you should stop pirating music ;)
<linux_galore> down*
<jnoon> is it possible to remove all ipv6 functionality upon install?
<aspuru> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary <--- micmur, this just solved my problems with totem :)
<Redwraith111> guys... i have xorg!
<Redwraith111> oh
<Redwraith111> dubh
<bob2> jnoon: if you think it's a problem, please just follow up to the bug
<Redwraith111> i was gonna install the warty ones
<ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
<micmur> crimsun:Who said I pirated it?:)
<Redwraith111> im so dense sometimes
<Redwraith111> ill see you later
<Ely__> is there some good way to add a recycle bin to ubunto desktop?? short of using gconf editor
<Ely__> I find it kind of annoying that there is no icon for it
<Ely__> or the option to turn it on rather
<crimsun> micmur: the filename.
<IcedKiwi> but theres one in the lower righthand corner of the screen
<MMond> -> root@tosh:/var/www # ls apache2-default  docbook-dsssl
<MMond> And just a sec, I'll place the html file there
<Ely__> IcedKiwi, I mean a real desktop icon
<IcedKiwi> oh
<MMond> root@tosh:/var/www # ls <-> apache2-default  docbook-dsssl
<jnoon> bob2, not sure what you mean.  on install it trying to automatic detect DHCP settings and fails, but if i run it again it figures them out.  problem is is i get that "kind" of connection for the rest of the time onward
<micmur> crimsun:I typed it in like you put, but I'm still getting errors
<IcedKiwi> woudnt 'create launcher' or somthing along those lines be able to do it?
<crimsun> micmur: paste me in private the errors
<micmur> k
<bob2> jnoon: why do you think that has anything to do with ipv6?
<ells> anyone know why when I try to print, the printer pauses and wont print
* crimsun cleans up http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary (many, many errors)
<Ely__> IcedKiwi, I tried no luck yet
<IcedKiwi> ok
<jnoon> bob2, well, that was my best guess after reading all around, and eliminating other things it could be.  doesnt mean im 100% right, just my best guess
<Ely__> IcedKiwi, I'm just amazed how ubuntu went against Gnome HIG without adding an undo feature for this
<mellinux> Man, fellas, I just found an old 10GB hard drive and now I'm dual-booting Ubuntu. This baby HAULS! I love it!
<IcedKiwi> lol
<micmur> aspuru:thanks for the link
<mellinux> ..it beats the pants off of winXP.
<micmur> mellinux:Welcome to the party!
<ells> I am dumping xp next week
<mellinux> gracias.
<ells> totally ubuntu
<mellinux> I'm trying to figure out sound.
<micmur> ells:I'm this close to dumping xp
<IcedKiwi> the only thing winXP beats the pants off is just about every other windows ive used...
<ells> micmur, I just am fed up with it
<mellinux> I got GAIM to go "brrrrrrring" every time I get a message, but I can't seem to play CD's.
<MMond> Dear God . . . "Can't open file to write," that's what it says when I try to say save it in /var/www, what possible wrong could had caused this now?
<micmur> ells:You're preaching to the choir brother
<ells> micmur, all the popups and with sp2, it cannot connect with wep enabled
<ells> micmur, totally ridiculous
<micmur> ells:agreed
<ells> micmur, I will keep a small parition on my laptop for xp to do dvd burns, pda, and my ipod
<crimsun> micmur: that error's simple: the file doesn't exist.
<mellinux> Is there any way to make X-Chat use the PC's speakers, not the internal beeper, when I get a message or it highlights?
<MMond> -say*
<Ely__> ells, to do DVD burns?? and ipod??
<micmur> ells:only reason I still have xp is due to some web-design files i have for a client
<Ely__> ells, can't both of those be done in linux?
<ells> Ely_ yeap
<IcedKiwi> at least your modems work....
<JDahl> MMond, you likely dont have write permissions to /var/www...
<mellinux> winXP is good to keep for the things that are for the masses
<ells> Ely_ I cannot do total copies yet
<mellinux> .. like the iPod
<mellinux> , which i have.
<micmur> crimsun:just wanted to make sure I'm not reading things incorrectly-which is the norm for me at this point, lol
<ells> Ely_ dont know how to compress to put on 4.7
<mellinux> And I'm going to use winXP for my iPod until I figure out how to use Ubuntu with it.
<Ely__> ells, I'm sure I have seen a couple of apps that do that automatically
<MMond> Ubuntu is extremely confusing to me.. how can I do this? Should I just save the file in desktop, and move it to there from root term?
<ells> micmur,  just bought a 120 gig drive from tiger direct for 40 bucks
<micmur> ells:Nice!
<ells> Ely_ can you pass one on to me
<micmur> what kind?
<ells> micmur: good bargain, maxtor
<DarthFrog> ells: Refurb?
<ells> only 5400
<Ely__> MMond, that's why they should make turning on desktop icons really easy
<ells> DarthFrog,  naw new
<micmur> ells:sata?
<ells> micmur, I believe it is ide
<micmur> i have a 120GB Maxtor sata in here
<ells> micmur: I came across it the other night
* sabmoc searches for beer
<ells> DarthFrog, could not pass it up
<micmur> crimsun:you going to be around tonight?
<crimsun> micmur: for a bit longer, yes.
<DarthFrog> ells:  Holy smokes.  I just checked tigerdirect.ca.  They have the same drive for CDN$49.97.
<micmur> cool, gotta go for a bit
<ells> DarthFrog, this will give me 150 gig of space
<omniscient> where are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?
<ells> DarthFrog, see
<micmur> crimsun:as always, thanks for the help!
<DarthFrog> ells: I have a 200 gigger and a 120 gigger. Not short of space. :-)
<ells> DarthFrog, read the fine print, you will have to send in one rebate i think
<ells> DarthFrog, I only have a 30 on this desktop
<IcedKiwi> 
<ells> DarthFrog, it is setup so I can access ssh from school
<mellinux> I'm overwhelmed at how fast this sucker is. Ubuntu flied on my old Pentium II laptop with ~180MB of RAM, but with a Athlon XP 2800+ and a gig of Mushkin RAM, this baby HAULS! Yesssss.
<helio1> There are two packages in the Hoary update (libfaad2-0 and libxvidcore4) from the netim repositories that return the GPG error: "NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 (tailed)"  Should I accept them regardless or edit my repositories?
<mellinux> flew*
<DarthFrog> ells: That's very convenient.
<ells> DarthFrog, I goto college and dont want to drag all my files around
<ells> DarthFrog, just makes life easier
<ells> DarthFrog, even my kids are converts. They want Xp of this machine
<DarthFrog> ells: Yeah, it is after rebate.  CDN$69.97 before rebate.
<MMond> Now ..  . what is the command to move file from one place to another..  /home/user/Desktop/text.html to /var/www . . .
<ells> DarthFrog,  still not bad
<omniscient> mv
<dark> mv
<Ely__> anyone knows a package equivilant to "mscorefonts" in debian?
<dark> mv orig new
<IcedKiwi> xp is a suped up 98
<IcedKiwi> but slightly more stable :D
<MMond> mv /home/user/Desktop/test.html /var/www/ -- would that work, omniscient?
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
<omniscient> yes
<Ely__> I need the arial font from that package
<omniscient> :)
<MMond> I hope you really are omniscient :D
<MMond> Thanks you
<MMond> -s*
<omniscient> MM2_, i am.
<calc> IcedKiwi: hmm i thought it was os2 -> nt -> 2000 -> xp
<MMond> Hah!
<ells> helio1, dont worry bout those ids
<helio1> ells: so just DL them anyway?
<IcedKiwi> good point
<ells> helio1,yeah
<MMond> Well, I suppose that could be accounted for a physical error - not a mental err!
<ells> helio1, my partner says that like not registered or something
<calc> 98 was win 1/2/3 -> 95 -> 98 -> ME -> dumpster
<sabmoc> any Canadians interested in joining the Canadian Ubuntu team?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Looks interesting.
<IcedKiwi> lol
<JDahl> MMond, what's wrong with my suggestion about storing things in your homedir under /home/username/public_html? that way you can mess around all you want messing ruining anything... also, with danger of sounding condescending: be a bit careful what you're doing with web and ftp servers if you dont know what you're doing
<helio1> ells: thanks! and cool about your kids preferring Ubuntu over xp
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, glad you think so
<ells> helio1, my son is pissed at all the pop ups
<JDahl> s/messing/without/
<helio1> hehe
<ells> helio1, he is cool now that thru codeweavers i got macromedia to work and quicktime
<IcedKiwi> 98 is good for one thing- making jokes that end in Gates dying
<calc> like southpark movie :)
<IcedKiwi> and just about every other human being very happy for a while
<IcedKiwi> yeah
<helio1> ells: hmm what do you mean got macromedia to work? which app?
<Ely__> anyone successfuly played divx files or video files in general with totem?
<ells> helio1, I have got codeweavers, ,it works over wine
<IcedKiwi> until they remember certain 'politicians' are still alive...
<helio1> Ely__: yes i have
<Ely__> or do I need any special files added from some special repository?
<ells> helio1, not en exact science though
<MMond> JDahl: I think I missed that(while you repeated so many time, sorry), storing it there.. I'll give it a shot right now, including creating the folder public_html.. and oh, I have (finally) through root term, moved the file to /var/www
<calc> the bluescreen when he was showing off 98 at ces was great :)
<pinPoint> helio1: xvid, bin files too?
<omniscient> how would i go about backing up my packages and package database, am going to reinstall ubuntu but dont want to have to download all those packages again..
<Ely__> helio1, totem doesn't seem to play standard divx files.. can't find codec
<IcedKiwi> is wine a windows simulator?
<omniscient> planning on backing up to a dvd or 2
<ells> IcedKiwi,yes
<helio1> pinPoint: i haven't tried xvid yet
<calc> Ely__: totem-xine will play them
<IcedKiwi> is it expensive?
<ells> IcedKiwi,more like an emulator
<pinPoint> helio1: bin?
<ells> wine is free
<DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: No.  It's an implementation of the Win API in Linux.
<IcedKiwi> coo;
<omniscient> Ely__, vlc
<Ely__> calc, thank you!
<IcedKiwi> *cool
<ells> DarthFrog, ,thanks
<helio1> Ely__: yes, I think I converted to Totem-Xine early on
<IcedKiwi> does Linux automatically come with it?
<Ely__> omniscient, I want totem for the thumbnailer
<calc> Ely__: you just need to add universe to your sources.list and then install that instead of totem-gstreamer
<ells> IcedKiwi, yes
<IcedKiwi> oh
<omniscient> ah ok
<ells> well if apt-get
<ells> IcedKiwi, ,make sure you get winesetuptk as well
<DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It will be apt-gettable if not installed.  Crossover is a commercial implementation of Wine.
<IcedKiwi> i only have a winmodem but it still doesnt work
<helio1> pinPoint: I nope; haven't tried bin yet; just divx, quicktime, avi stuff so far... some wmv too
<Ely__> sorry if this is a dumb question.. but is there a way to "su" in ubuntu?
<calc> sudo su -
<IcedKiwi> yes
<Ely__> hah
<Ely__> thanks
<DarthFrog> Ely__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Ely__> sorry... I am used to oldschool distros
<DarthFrog> Ely__: If you assign a password to root, it'll work like you're used to.
<Ely__> awesome
<IcedKiwi> hehe, i just killed another split end...
<pinPoint> where can i get vlc
<crimsun> pinPoint: in universe
<IcedKiwi> its so quiet
<crimsun> the calm after the storm
<IcedKiwi> lol
<IcedKiwi> as it early morning in the states?
<pinPoint> crimsun: universe?
<pinPoint> whats that?
<DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: It'll be 12:45 AM on the east coast.
<IcedKiwi> ok
<ells> IcedKiwi, it is about 1045 at night
<IcedKiwi> is that the side with LA or the side with New York?
<DarthFrog> IcedKiwi: 9:45 pm here on the wet coast.
<DarthFrog> New York.
<IcedKiwi> ok
<omniscient> where are the .deb files kept that apt downloads?
<odie5533> anyone know a good way to delete all the kubuntu things if you install via terminal?
<DarthFrog> omniscient: /var/cache/apt/archives
<omniscient> thanks
<IcedKiwi> brb
<pastyhermit> Does ubuntu have a good MP3 Ripper
<pastyhermit> I tried the CD ripper but it doesnt do the trick
<devmnky> hello
<DarthFrog> pastyhermit: grip and lame make a good combo.
<pastyhermit> supports all the useless formats in the world
<linux_galore> pastyhermit: I use grip
<pastyhermit> grip eh
<pastyhermit> k cool
<pastyhermit> apt-get install grip
<linux_galore> grip is easy
<ells> anyone know of a good way to rip a dvd, compress it and copy it back to a playable format for a home dvd player
<devmnky> is there anyway to get kernel 2.6.10.x on ubuntu ? or is 2.6.8.x the latest one?
<pastyhermit> devmnky, compile yourself :D
<devmnky> is there a wiki for it /
<DarthFrog> devmnky: Hoary has 2.6.10
<linux_galore> ells: k3b can rip to divx
<bob2> devmnky: er? 2.6.10 is the default on hoary.
<MMond> JDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x
<DarthFrog> bob2: He's running warty.
<devmnky> i'm using warty tho
<MMond> The requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at 127.0.0.1 Port 80
<linux_galore> ells: from a dvd
<bob2> devmnky: 2.6.8.1 was the latest kernel when warty froze.
<MMond> !ping
<ells> linux_galore,  thought they only did data dvds
<MMond> !ping
<linux_galore> ells: nope
<devmnky> so can i install 2.6.10 on warty ?
<ells> really, since when
<linux_galore> ells: been doing that for 3 months
<pastyhermit> devmnky, depends how good you are
* pastyhermit is running hoary with KDE 3.4 
<ells> linux_galore will check, be right back
<pastyhermit> KDE 3.4 is faster than gnome
<JDahl> MMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"
<sabmoc> linux_galore, hey dude
<linux_galore> hai sabmoc
<pastyhermit> Initializing CPU#0
<pastyhermit> CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
<pastyhermit> CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0387f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
<pastyhermit> CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
<pastyhermit> CPU serial number disabled.
<pastyhermit> CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000
<pastyhermit> CPU: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02
<pastyhermit> ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1]  C2[C2] )
<pastyhermit> ACPI: Processor [CPU0]  (supports 8 throttling states)
<DarthFrog> devmnky: Simpler to change all your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary and do a total upgrade.  "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
<pastyhermit> oops
<pastyhermit> I didnt mean for that much to come out
<pastyhermit> lol
<pastyhermit> please dont kick me :D
<bob2> please don't do that
<pastyhermit> sorry bob2
<MMMond> sorry, I got disconnected.. <MMond> JDahl: I had put html files in both /home/user/public_html/ and /var/www/; test1.html and test2.html, I'm getting 404 for both . . . :x <MMond> The requested URL /test2.html was not found on this server. <--> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at 127.0.0.1 Port 80 --- anything you had said?
<devmnky> pastyhermit, i'm a linux newb
<devmnky> but i follow instruction well ;)
<JDahl> MMond, so if the file is in /home/username/public_html/test1.html, you should use the url: "http://localhost/~username/test1.html"
<pastyhermit> devmnky, then you will have to wait till the packages come out
* MMMond tickles the linux newb
<pastyhermit> devmnky, otherwise you will be up the creek without a boat!
<MMMond> JDahl: Got it, thanks
<zenrox> devmnky,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
<IcedKiwi> im a linux newb
<devmnky> i read that, but that doesnt tell me how to compile my kernel
<zenrox> devmnky,  and www.ubuntuforums.org and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
<IcedKiwi> i need a driver for my modem
<omniscient> if i reinstall ubuntu, then copy all my packages back to /var/cache/apt/archives
<DarthFrog> devmnky: It's not a job for a newbie.
<omniscient> then run apt-get update, then dist-upgrade
<omniscient> will it recognise the files already in the archive?
<omniscient> from previous install?
<pastyhermit> prodigy ownz
<devmnky> DarthFrog, i've compiled my kernel before with gentoo
<DarthFrog> devmnky: I suggest that you don't do it till you've been around linux for a while.
<DarthFrog> devmnky: Ah, I see. :-)  Sorry.
<ells> Linux_galore, can you walk me thru it, I dont see it in there
<devmnky> s'ok, but i'm still a newb
<devmnky> ok, well short of compiling my kernel
<devmnky> is there anyway of changing the kernel's config without a re-compile ?
<devmnky> cuz i need to enable some drivers that hotplug doesnt recognize
<MMMond> JDahl: Yes, the file is at /home/khan/public_html/test.html . . . and currently: http://localhost/user/test1.html --- I'm getting 404 :c
<devmnky> but it has kernel support
<JDahl> MMMond, http://localhost/~user/test1.html
<pinPoint> what vlc should i install
<IcedKiwi> wb odie
<pinPoint> alsa
<pinPoint> arts
<arek> compiling a kernel is nothing difficult
<pinPoint> esd
<pinPoint> ggi
<pinPoint> so many choices
<ells> DarthFrog, ,I was told that K3b can rip a dvd to Divx. do you know if this is true, and if so how to doit
<MMMond> The requested URL /~user/test1.html was not found on this server. <---> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
<IcedKiwi> i miss my old 486...
<pinPoint> wxWindows fronted for VLC?
<JDahl> MMMond, sorry - http://localhost/~khan/test1.html
<pinPoint> meaning?
<DarthFrog> ells: k3b is a burning program, not a ripping program.  You want dvdrip to do DVD --> DivX.
<MMMond> The requested URL /~khan/test1.html was not found on this server.
<MMMond> Apache/2.0.50 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80
<ells> DarthFrog, I want to be able to rip a dvd,  copy it and play it on my home player
<IcedKiwi> i loved that old thing... *starts speaking the langague of flying plums*
<DarthFrog> ells: Does your home player play DivX?
<MMMond> Got it
<omniscient> aw fuck why wont my dvd burner be recognised by k3b :(
<MMMond> It's working
<IcedKiwi> ok
<ells> DarthFrog, DVDRip is cool,but it rips into vobs. Not sure about the home player
<MMMond> Now - should I try a php file..
<IcedKiwi> byesies
<MMMond> Just for heck of it
<JDahl> MMMond, that's odd... I have to leave, though. I cant remember if userdirs are enabled by default in apache. Maybe someone else can help you there
<DarthFrog> ells: dvdrip combines with transcode to make the DivX.
<ells> DarthFrog, can you walk me thru the process
<DarthFrog> ells: Sorry, I don't do that. No experience.
<blahrus> anyone having issues with hoary apt mirrors?
<MMMond> Now . . . who's gonna help me?! Come on . . . someone with php/apache/linux/LAMP knowledge.. step right up
<DarthFrog> ells: I'm sure that dvdrip would have tutorials.
<nvashi2> back
<ells> DarthFrog, I have dealt with dvdrip before, but it would not encode to divx for me
<DarthFrog> MMMond: Depends. :-)
<ChickenMaster> hey guys just wondering how do i boot without X-server so i can install the nvidia drivers for my MX440
<DarthFrog> ells: No, it hands the job off to transcode.
<DarthFrog> ChickenMaster: in a root console, type "init 1"
<DarthFrog> ChickenMaster: When finished, type "init 2".
<ChickenMaster> that all?
<ells> DarthFrog, well I need to check it again, cause it would not encode
<DarthFrog> ells: I'm sure the documentation will cover what you want to do.
<ells> DarthFrog,  it should really, but the doc. is really vague
<ells> DarthFrog, checked all over the internet
<DarthFrog> ells: you could always boot into Windows and use dvdshrink.
<ells> DarthFrog: no offense, that would defeat the purpose, trying to get off windows, ,kind of like going cold turker
<DarthFrog> ells: Oh, I understand ferpectly.
<|Gunther|> Hi I have a question guys
<Andros> Shoot, Gunther
<ells> DarthFrog, right now I am in dvdrip and it wont encode the video. it wants to rip it first
<|Gunther|> Ilost my Ubuntu user password, how can I get into the system again and regain the control I once had?
<DarthFrog> ells: Let it.
<MMMond> DarthFrog: You're on. Alright . . . so uhh, I wanted to get LAMP working.. did so, at one point.. had installed Apache 1.3, php4, mysql . . . and everything seemed to work great together . . . then I saw apache2 was available . . . did a complete removal of everything, and installed everything again.. apache2, php4, mysql . . . now apache2 works, but not php . . . where to begin?
<DarthFrog> ells: read the documentation about transcoding.
<Andros> Hmm...Methinks your screwed there, Gunther.
<|Gunther|> k thanks
<MMMond> And oh, I'm also a LAMP/linux/ubuntu/php/mysql nub . . . this should make your night
<ells> DarthFrog, I checked, I have the most current transcode
<DarthFrog> MMMond: You're beyond me there.  I've not touched Apache 2 yet.  Seen no reason to.
<MMMond> :(
<DarthFrog> ells: Yeah, but it should tell you how to set up dvdrip to do the trancoding to MPEG-4 automatically.
<Brunellus> anybody running fluxbox?
<MMMond> DarthFrog: Thank you anyways for the mere attempt (really) :D
<ells> DarthFrog, nope, I am suprised anyone has got this to work right, not very good doc
<DarthFrog> MMMond: I've not gone to Apache 2 yet for exactly the problems you're having. Apache 1.3 works plenty good enough.
<DarthFrog> Uh oh, hide the cheese, SeeleyUSMC's here. :-)
<SeeleyUSMC> heh
<crimsun> Brunellus: on another machine, yes.  Why?
<MMMond> DarthFrog: Suppose I install apache1.3.. and do leave apache2 as is - will this linger problems? Or shall I just do it?
<anders_> ells: I usually use: 1. dvdbackup (rip dvd to harddisk), 2. "wine dvdshrink"(make it fit single layer dvd), 3. k3b(put video_ts files in dvd-video project, burn)
<Brunellus> just curious.  if I apt-get fluxbox, will it be added to the GDM session-types menu automatically, too?
<DarthFrog> MMMond: Once again, I have no experience.
<ells> anders_ cool will try that but when I did before it did not see my dvd burner
<DarthFrog> MMMond: But if it were me, I'd stick to Apache 1.3. :-)
<crimsun> Brunellus: yes.  Just choose fluxbox in the Session menu of GDM.
<anders_> ells: oh, I run "gksudo k3b"
<|Gunther|> I have ubuntu, but i would like to selct it on GRUB, what parameters should be in place in the grub.conf?
<DarthFrog> anders_: dvdshrink runs well under wine?
<ells> anders, ,nice
<omniscient> can i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?
<Brunellus> crimsun:  will I be able to run nautilus under fluxbox under the default, as well?
<MMMond> DarthFrog: For what inducement? Quiet honestly . . . the mere reason I had gone to apache2 was . . . well, because the number '2' was higher than the number '1.3,' and higher numbers are usually more dependable in today's world
<omniscient> or do i HAVE to recompile kernel?
<cam> whats the gnome update menu's command?
<anders_> DarthFrog: not well, only reads harddisk and not really stable
<ells> anders, this process should work for me,  will try
<cam> my menu's just disapeared
<cam> lol
<DarthFrog> MMMond: I know that attitude all too well. :-)
<jnoon> what would cause dns resolution to fail or take a long time (long than normal)?
<ells> anders, you can play these on your home player
<cam> omg
<cam> and they are back
<crimsun> Brunellus: yep
<cam> weird
<anders_> ells: yes, no problem
<Brunellus> awesome.  apt-get time!
<omniscient> can i dynamically load the scsi emulation in linux ?
<Quinn_Storm> MMMond: consider apache2 a new product, apache1.3 is the more stable right now
<ells> anders_ did you say dvdbackup? not dvdrip
<crimsun> omniscient: for your atapi cd/dvd-rom? no. It's done at boot-time.
<MMMond> Quinn_Storm: Now there's a statement that talks to me . . . thank you, will do!
<anders_> ells: yes dvdbackup
<omniscient> ok. well i must just not have it then, do i have to compile it into the kernel? or should the module already be installed?
<Quinn_Storm> MMMond: apache2 is like a development branch while 1.x is the stable branch
<arek> MMMond: in fact for php apache 1.3 is better
<ells> anders_ is this a program
<anders_> ells: yes, apt-get install dvdbackup
<MMMond> arek: Eh? o.0 Sounds odd, for at least php5, I would imagine . . . however, I know little of this . . . if you say so, I suppose you must be right
<ells> anders_ cool, doing it now
<arek> MMMond: some php modules will not be safe with apache2
<Quinn_Storm> MMMond: its that apache2 is almost a totally new project, its based on apache code but a lot of the core is rewritten
<arek> you must understand that apache2 was rewritten to better work under windows
<devmnky> thx for your help
<|Gunther|> is 4.10 the latest version?
<crimsun> yes
<crimsun> 5.04 will be out in April
<|Gunther|> is there mp3 capability here>
<|Gunther|> I mean on the disc
<|Gunther|> maybe there a ubuntufaq.org i'll look into that instead nvm ty anyway
<MMMond> Quinn_Storm: Makes sense . . . but my logic had merely lanced into the concept that the modern stuff will meet and go out to other modern stuff . . . apache2 to php5; apache1.4 to php5, but as you seem to be saying.. it isn't . . . I don't know.. just a bit strange
<MMMond> 1.3*
<mellinux> Hey guys, how on earth do I update Firefox to v1.0?
<zenrox> |Gunther|, www.ubuntuguide.org
<mellinux> test
<DarthFrog> |Gunther|: Search that URL for restricted formats.
<omniscient> can someone help me with enabling this scsi emulation? tried reading some webpages but they seem to be all very old
<|Gunther|> ty zenrox
<LinuxJones> night all :)
<|Gunther|> I have a question
<|Gunther|> when i install mplayer, well see I already downloaded the codecs in .rpm format, could I just use the ones out of that?
<zenrox> |Gunther|, read the adding repostories on that page
<zenrox> and read dont use rpms
<DarthFrog> |Gunther|: You could try.  Use "alien" to convert the rpm to a deb, first.
<MMMond> arek: Would you  happen to know? if having apache2 installed at the same time as having apache1.3 . . . cause any conflictions? The guy who was helping me, JDahl . . . said he had both installed, and had them working correctly
<|Gunther|> I mean the contents of the rpm, there are codecs in them, could I just place them in the right directory?
<zenrox> |Gunther|,  u cant red deps of the files you want
<HrdwrBoB> MMMond: no they don't conflict .. as long as you run them on other ports etc
<zenrox> red=get
<zenrox> debs
<arek> i use debian not ubuntu, on debian it work ok
<DarthFrog> MMMond: No, there should be no conflicts.  And you can run them both at the same time, on different ports.
<MMMond> But he's a h4x0r, he must had gone upon extra measures to balance everything . . . I've only recently started using Linux, I'm used to clicking "yes" and "next," and synaptic has been the easiest things so far . . . "check" and "apple"
<MMMond> apple!
<Antioch`> Whats Kubuntu?
<pastyhermit> Ubuntu with KDE :D
<Antioch`> Coulda guessed, lol
<Antioch`> ;)
<pastyhermit> kubuntu.co.uk
<|Gunther|> I have Fedora, i used mplayer on that, i could open them rpm files that are codecs and just place them in the codecs folder for ubuntu right? its safe?
<IcedKiwi> hi
<Antioch`> What deps do ppl use with Ubuntu?
<crimsun> makes more sense to enable the marillat repo and install w32codecs, |Gunther|
<Antioch`> repositories*
<crimsun> |Gunther|: see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
<MMMond> DarthFrog: Different ports... will I have to put that manually? Or will synaptic do that for me? :x
<zenrox> ya its also how on the gudie one too |Gunther|
<DarthFrog> MMMond: For what you're talking about, it's all done by hand.
<omniscient> this is so frustrating :(
<crimsun> omniscient: what is?
<zenrox> omniscient,  just rember its better than windows
<Brunellus> it works!
<Brunellus> it's pretty brutally stripped-down, but it works.
<omniscient> i try to, but windows burns dvds without be getting a headache
<IcedKiwi> anyone know where to get drivers for a winmodem?
<DarthFrog> Brunellus: good stuff
<IcedKiwi> and how to install it?
<Antioch`> Is there a release schedule anywhere?
<MMMond> zenrox: but they can always go by ignorence.. since it is bliss, afterall . . . die happy :] 
<arek> you can have them ran on standard 80 port on  different using vhosts
<Brunellus> now all I have to do is work out how to tweak it.
<zenrox> MMMond,  agree
<DarthFrog> Antioch`:  Yes.   on www.ubuntu.com somewhere.
<omniscient> i want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation
<MMMond> DarthFrog: :( . . . I'll do it, I've come this far (although by clicking "yes" and "next") . . . but I wanna get to know php.. I'll do it!
<MMMond> But not today. Today is my day.
<crimsun> Antioch`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
<zenrox> Antioch`,  www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
<omniscient> so im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache
<omniscient> and it's frustrating >:|
<Antioch`> crimsun, zenrox, DarthFrog thanks
<zenrox> Antioch`,  we aim to please
<Diablo-D3> ugh
<Diablo-D3> bacj
<MMMond> Diablo-D3: welcome backj
<omniscient> zenrox, can you aim in this direction for a sec? please?
<omniscient> heh
<MMMond> Jesus christ . . . I am something beyond a serf . . .
<Antioch`> zenrox, Im looking into Ubuntu -- have used gentoo for some time, but Im growing tired of waiting for all the compiles
<MMMond> Can't even deliberately make a typo ..  .
<ells>  can anyone walk me thru using dvdbackup
<Diablo-D3> lol
<ells> got it, just dont know how to use it
<Diablo-D3> anyhow
<Diablo-D3> I dont think I can get ubuntu to work on this smallbox.
<IcedKiwi> anyone?
<DarthFrog> ells: google for it.
<zenrox> Antioch`,  that was my bigest prob with gentoo
<IcedKiwi> the driver can work on FC3 or Ubuntu!
* Diablo-D3 wonders if debian old installer will work
<ells> DarthFrog, yeah, just hoping I might get lucky and someone in here would know how to us eit
<zenrox> omniscient,  so whats going on
<crimsun> Diablo-D3: you can use Woody netinstall and dist-upgrade over
<Antioch`> zenrox, what apt repositories do you use?
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: yup, I could
<zenrox> Antioch`,  marlette
<zenrox> and the universe
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: Im just trying to get a sane linux onto the box
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: doesnt have to be ubuntu
<crimsun> Diablo-D3: tried netboot? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/view?searchterm=netboot
<omniscient> zenrox:
<omniscient> i want my dvd burner to work, simply put.. ive looked at all these sites saying i need to enable scsi emulation, so i tried that, now i just find a site that says with linux 2.6 you dont need scsi emulation
<omniscient> so im goin rounf in circles and still dont have dvd burner working OR scsi emulation enabled.. all i've achieved is a headache
<omniscient> and it's frustrating >:|
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: no network card
<omniscient> :)
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: which pisses me off
<crimsun> ah.
<zenrox> omniscient,  i dont know but crimsun  might
<cam> any news about ati+composite?
<Diablo-D3> I'd swipe the network card from my laptop... except... my laptop has no network card. Its onboard.
<IcedKiwi> how many of you guys are male?
<arek> omniscient: no need for emulation
<zenrox> as i dont have a dvd burnner
<DarthFrog> omniscient: What device node is your burner?
<SeeleyUSMC> Yay, I can use my flash card now :)
<omniscient> hdb
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: it should not be this hard to install linux.
<ells> SeeleyUSMC, where ya from
<omniscient> arek: well, k3b doesnt detect it, neither does xcdroast
<HrdwrBoB> omniscient: you don't want SCSI emulation
<IcedKiwi> installing linux is easy- why do people complain?
<Diablo-D3> crimsun: I cant even get at the hd without opening it up. I could put the hd in my laptop, and then install linux, but noooOOOOooo.
<omniscient> i am able to view dvds with it, i just cant burn them
<ells> SeeleyUSMC, I have a partner who is Harvey Seeley out in Cali
<IcedKiwi> and im not exactly a seasoned linux user, either
<SeeleyUSMC> ells: Born next to Seattle, WA live in 29 Palms, CA <-- Marine Corps Base
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: if you run 2.6, you dont want scsi emulation
<|Gunther|> I had a tough time installing Ubuntu,
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: if you run 2.4, upgrade to 2.6
<ells> SeeleyUSMC, my partner is a retired army MSG
<IcedKiwi> oh
<omniscient> i run 2.6
<omniscient> and it doesnt work
<|Gunther|> I had to install it 5 times in 2 and a half hours
<SeeleyUSMC> heh
<IcedKiwi> the only thing i had any sort of problem with was partitioning
<omniscient> well maybe it does, but i cant figure out why not
<ells> SeeleyUSMC, he is in San Diego
<IcedKiwi> it took me half an hour to figure out
<IcedKiwi> but that was it
<Diablo-D3> for the record, I use an ide burner in debian sid with 2.6, and k3b works fine for me
<Ely__> I use gnomebaker
<Ely__> good stuff
<omniscient> yeah ive used this burner in debian before, to burn cds, but never used it to burn a dvd
<Diablo-D3> k3b > *
<omniscient> but now k3b just says i have no devices
<omniscient> and its right here i can see and touch it, it's there.. believe me
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: do you have the dvd-cdrecord-whateveritis package installed?
<|Gunther|> thing I HATED about Ubuntu installer was that it always tryed to installed its boot record to hda1, which was NOT where it was needed, so i eventually unhooked all my drives and installed it like that
<Ely__> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/wp-content/gnomebaker1.png
<IcedKiwi> lol
<Ely__> I disagree with k3b > *
<pussfeller> i keep getting can't find kubuntu-desktop
<Diablo-D3> |Gunther|: hah
<Ely__> gnomebaker at version .3 has a more consistent interface than k3b
<omniscient> Diablo-D3, i dont have anything in my db only cdrecord and cdrecord-doc
<Diablo-D3> Ely__: too bad. k3b > *.
<omniscient> ?
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: lemme go look
<omniscient> ok thanks
<IcedKiwi> im looking forward to the new (stable) version coming out
<|Gunther|> 5 full installs later I finally overcame it. then went on to loose my password, now I am going to install ubuntu again
<IcedKiwi> how many weeks to go?
<virtuald> |Gunther|: you don't have to reinstall
<MMMond> My keyboard (laptop..) does have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions?
<MMMond> doesn't*
<SeeleyUSMC> Did someone have the link for ubuntu and madwifi?
<|Gunther|> k, please tell me how to get a one way encrypted password back and i'll be greatful there
<SeeleyUSMC> I lost it
<IcedKiwi> im aiming to have a job by then, so i can get some new hardware, that works under linux
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: Im thinking dvd+rw-tools
<virtuald> |Gunther|: you don't, you change it
<|Gunther|> virtuald: I'm listening...
<MMMond> My keyboard (laptop..) doesn't have this key: ~ . . . and I will have to make use of it rather a lot . . . what can I do here? some quick solutions? <--
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: which may or may not be in ubuntu
<virtuald> |Gunther|: boot to single user mode
<virtuald> and do passwd user
<omniscient> dvd+rw-tools is already the newest version.
<omniscient> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
<omniscient> :(
<|Gunther|> how? I am at the login screen and then i see where I should type in username and passwrd.
<mdz> SeeleyUSMC: what link?  madwifi is part of Ubuntu and installed by default
<|Gunther|> what is singe user mode?
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: meh =/
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: try running k3b as root
<omniscient> i did that too
<omniscient> 1st thing i did
<omniscient> no luck
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: thats usually the cat...a... feh.
<DarthFrog> mdz: Installed by default?  It's in linux-restricted-modules.
<mdz> DarthFrog: correct
<SeeleyUSMC> mdz: I think I have to install it
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: did you try kicking it really hard?
<virtuald> |Gunther|: when you get to grub, press escape or something to get to the menu, and chose recovery mode
<|Gunther|> where dio I find Single user mode?
<omniscient> dan@shit:/var/cache/apt $ ls -l /dev/hdc
<omniscient> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-03-20 15:43 /dev/hdc
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's ath_pci.
<|Gunther|> kk tyvm
<omniscient> is that the correct permissions Diablo-D3 ?
<omniscient> for a dvd burner?
* |Gunther| taking notes
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: those permissions dont even matter if you're root.
<mdz> ath_pci is loaded automatically when a supported device is detected
<IcedKiwi> brb
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: ath_pci is madwifi?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: yes.
<SeeleyUSMC> hrm
<Diablo-D3> omniscient: root is... uh... omniscient. Heh.
<|Gunther|> so go into recovery mode, and type this exactlly?"passwd user"
<omniscient> me :D
<Diablo-D3> I officially hate the 4.10 install cds, btw
<DarthFrog> omniscient: I'm glad to hear that.  What's making you happy?
<omniscient> nothing
<mdz> Diablo-D3: ?
<omniscient> just random emoticon
<virtuald> |Gunther|: yes. if after the boot it asks for root password, reboot again and in the menu press e to edit the kernel line, and add init=/bin/bash at the end
<Diablo-D3> mdz: cant get them to work on a box with only 32 megs of memory
<mdz> Diablo-D3: and so you _hate_ it?
<DarthFrog> mdz: SeeleyUSMC has an Atheros based mini-PCI card.  Ath_pci loads fine, but he doesn't get an ath0 network interface.
<Diablo-D3> mdz: it goes into low memory mode and then just craps out
<Akira> Can anyone help me with a non linux computer problem...
<Diablo-D3> mdz: Yes. Very much so.
<mdz> that seems a bit extreme
<mdz> DarthFrog: that's odd; are you sure ath0 isn't there?
<Diablo-D3> mdz: well, I have to go track down another distro I dont hate.
<razerman> has anyone got wine to run ona amd64 ? by building from source ?
<SeeleyUSMC> mdz: I'll type up whatever you want me to show you
<Diablo-D3> razerman: er, that probably doesnt work
<SeeleyUSMC> ifconfig, iwconfig, whatever
<Diablo-D3> razerman: you probably cant find amd64 binaries for your windows programs anyhoew
<IcedKiwi> im back
* |Gunther| finished taking notes
<DarthFrog> mdz: Very odd. If he does "ifconfig ath0 up" he gets "no such interface".
<|Gunther|> k ty virtual d
<mdz> DarthFrog: check dmesg
<Diablo-D3> So, Hrm.
<Diablo-D3> Hrm Hrm Hrm.
<Akira> ath? what kind of connection is that?
<Diablo-D3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
<Diablo-D3> this works,doesnt it?
<razerman> Diablo-D3: i get a strange error when compiling the source. i cant find a fix on google though
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: can you post the output of the dmesg command to pastbin.com?
<Diablo-D3> razerman: then Dont Do That (tm)
<Diablo-D3> razerman: or just file a bug on the wine bug tracker
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: now that I have my USB working, yes
<DarthFrog> mdz: he said he saw nothing relevant in dmesg but I've not looked at his output.
<|Gunther|> will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install? just a question...
<ells> this might be a funny question, I know that my dvd player is under media/cdrom0, but is that what I will use to use dvdbackup
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: dmesg > out.txt  will capture the output to a file called out.txt.
<ells> I tried to use dvdbackup -M -i/dev/dvd -o/my/dvd/backup/dir/
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
<mdz> DarthFrog: you said ath_pci loads fine...you mean that it automatically loads, or he loads it manually?
<Akira> i think you use the dev/hdb or whatever
<Diablo-D3> So, guys
<Diablo-D3> that url I pasted
<Diablo-D3> does that method work?
<DarthFrog> mdz: manually and in /etc/modules.
<Akira> /dev/hdb or whatever your cdrom is
<Ely__> ells, check your /etc/fstab for what device name is used to mount
<Diablo-D3> because I bet I can get the woody iso to work
<mdz> DarthFrog: if it isn't loaded automatically, it doesn't support his card; there should never be a need to load it manually
<ells> Ely_ cool man
<DarthFrog> mdz: I'm coming to the opinion that he has an unsupported chipset.
<mdz> DarthFrog: if it isn't supported by ath_pci, it's unlikely that it's an Atheros chipset at all
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What chipset is it?
<mdz> SeeleyUSMC: what is the exact make and model of the card?
<|Gunther|> will it be 100 percent working if i use alien to convert my mplayer rpm's and then install?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You can use the "lspci -v | less" command to find out.
<Ely__> I don't think we are 100% if earth will survive to see tomorrow
<Ely__> is there anything that's 100%? :)
<virtuald> |Gunther|: you would have to try to know
<|Gunther|> idk, with u guys's philosophical questions...
<virtuald> but why not get debs?
<mdz> |Gunther|: I wouldn't recommend it; use the mplayer which is packaged for Ubuntu instead
<Ygg> Good morning, everyone.
<|Gunther|> I am dial upper as that I will take a long time in doing this
<Ygg> Have a problem with Ubunutu and wireless, if anyone here can help.
<Akira> power to the dialupers
<|Gunther|> for the ubuntu distro? there is a mplayer package? or are you talking about a regular .deb file mdz
<mdz> |Gunther|: yes, yes and yes
<SeeleyUSMC> http://www.pastebin.com/260499 <-- dmesg
<mdz> ath%d: unable to attach hardware; HAL status 13
<mdz> that's the relevant bit
<Ygg> Anyone ran into a problem where Ubuntu loses WiFi connection after a few hours of regular work? ifconfig and iwlist show everything in order - AP seems to be associated, key is set, everything is fine - but nothing gets through. All pings get a 'destination unreachable'.
<mdz> SeeleyUSMC:  a web search for that message should find you all sorts of answers
<ells> Ely_ever use dvdbackup
<Amaranth> anyone on hoary wanna test the latest version of my menu editor? :)
<MMMond> Nope.
<MMMond> I'm not on Hoary, sorry.
<MMMond> Hoary and sorry rymes . . . that's no good..
<|Gunther|> is it possible to have a working virus using wine without specifically running it... I mean wine comes with a virtual registy and everything, will a windows virus hurt anything that is linux?
<|Gunther|> technobabble...
<bob2> |Gunther|: don't run random crap from people and you'll be fine
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: did you want the lspci as well?
<Akira> i saw an article on running viruses in windows
<Akira> on slashdot
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  Only for specific identification of your chipset.
<MMMond> |Gunther|: mere question is interesting.. I'd be interested in finding out the answer - now, are you asking merely out of curiosity yourself or have you actually to come to this?
<|Gunther|> its curiosity
<|Gunther|> just thought it up now
<Diablo-D3> ooh
<Diablo-D3> expert mode on the installer cd might work right
<SeeleyUSMC> http://www.pastebin.com/260500
<DarthFrog> Hmm, HAL level 13 error might mean your card isn't supported. :-(
<Diablo-D3> or not
<Diablo-D3> damn
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You have an Atheros AR5212 chip.
<ells> anyone ever use dvdbackup
<slick> anyone have any experience installing azureus under kde desktop on ubuntu
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: why does it say only root can use it?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Why does what say that?
<slick> i have installed the gtk version and jre no probs, it loads but there is no splash and the program just doesnt start. Im confused because there are no errors or anything like that, it seems to start up fine
<SeeleyUSMC>     Capabilities: <available only to root>
<Diablo-D3> no
<Diablo-D3> it says you can only see caps as root
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You'll have give more info.  What capabilities?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: you can either continue to use your USB wireless NIC or go the ndiswrapper route.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: its says that for the atheros
<Akira> slick : try loading from the terminal?
<slick> yes i have done
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I don't have a usb wireless
<SeeleyUSMC> i have a usb wireless flash stick
<SeeleyUSMC> thats how i can paste
<slick> mike@columbo:~$ /apps/azureus/azureus
<slick> Starting Azureus...
<slick> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
<slick> Suitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_02] 
<slick> Configuring environment...
<slick> Loading Azureus:
<slick> java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/apps/azureus/Azureus2.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-gtk.jar:/apps/azureus/swt.jar:/apps/azureus/swt-mozilla.jar" -Djava.library.path="/apps/azureus" -Dazureus.install.path="/apps/azureus" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
<Diablo-D3> hahah wtf
<slick> it starts fine
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Ah.  Well, it's ndiswrapper for you. :-)
<Akira> ugh, why is there so many updaes
<Diablo-D3> its funny seeing a download go 40k/sec on dialup
<slick> but just doesnt load the program, no splash or anything:/
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
<slick> im using kubuntu, maybe it hasnt installed something the gui needs?
<jnc> i have a question about Hoary
<Akira> wow 40 k
<Akira> what must be lying
<jnc> i'm using SATA optical dvd burner drive, with Hoary Hedgehog amd64 preview
<walski> is there a release date for full blown horay yeat?
<jnc> it worked to burn an ISO once, and then?  bus error
<jnc> so i cannot use it again without reboot
<jnc> would any developer be interested in working with me to resolve?
<walski> jnc, have u logged a bug first?
<Tobias4847> does anybody have some experience with booting from a USB Pendrive?
<jnc> walski: i'm not sure if i should!
<jnc> it sounds like a kernel issue
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: There is one other thing we could try.  It would be quite involved, doing something called a CVS checkout, compiling madwifi with the absolute up-to-the-minute drivers (which is what CVS should be), then installing them.
<jnc> i.e. SATA ATAPI is *very* new
<walski> jnc, nods
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I'm down
<Diablo-D3> sata cdrom drives? wtf?
<Diablo-D3> there is such a thing?
<jnc> hey pat
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, no problem.  Have fun. :-)
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I heard that ndsiwrapper sucked from some people
<jnc> i've got SATA hard disk 80gb, and plextor 712SA
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I mean I'm down with that idea as in okay :)
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Not having wireless networking sucks more, doesn't it? :-)
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: damn straight
<jnc> no troubles with the hard disk and ubuntu, that portion works well!
* Diablo-D3 goes back to the quest of putting linux on this portable Z80
<Diablo-D3> it weighs like 80 pounds
<Diablo-D3> if this is supposed to be called a laptop... Im going to set the hostname as "nutcracker"
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: OK, go to madwifi.sourceforge.net and follow the instructions for CVS retrieval.
<ells> tritium: mike what is up man
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I got the .tar.bZ2 file for the current one earlier today
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC:  "tar jxvf (filename.tar.bz2" will extract it.  Be in a working directory first.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
<mantas> i upgraded kernel to 2.6.10-5-686, and when i'm starting each instance of terminal emulator i get this:
<mantas> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
<mantas> get_console_fd: Invalid argument
<tritium> hey ells
<SeeleyUSMC> my fiance just called.  She was at some fundraiser with Microsoft (her brother works there) and she met Edgar Martinez
<ells> tritium: I got good news, I got bad news
<Diablo-D3> who?
<SeeleyUSMC> Diablo-D3: Mariners baseball
<Diablo-D3> ahh
<Diablo-D3> I dont watch baseball
<ells> tritium: I crashed my desktop, so I am reinstalling, but without windows on it
<SeeleyUSMC> Neither do I , I just know who he is lol
<Diablo-D3> Hrm
<Diablo-D3> SeeleyUSMC: /whois me
<tritium> ells, how did you do that?
<Diablo-D3> SeeleyUSMC: then visit http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amicrosoft.com+%22Patrick+McFarland%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
<ells> tritium: not quite sure. I was playing around with some installs
<tritium> ells, installs?
<ells> tritium: yeah, dvdbackup
<ells> tritium: and  few others
<ells> tritium: lucky me
<ells> tritium: hey do you have any experience with dvd backup
<tritium> ells, no, I don't have a dvd burner
<ells> tritium: i am backing up some files, just dont know how long it takes
<ells> tritium: what ya do today
<ells> tritium: I finished up a test today
<ells> tritium: I can do it, but which file do I need to clear out for ssh for my "new desktop"
<tritium> ells, ~/.ssh/known_hosts
<ells> cool
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I'm going to bed.  Let's pick it up again tomorrow.
<Madeye>  is there anyway to wget all .tar.gz files in www.blah.com/dir/ ?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: sure thing
<DarthFrog> Madeye: wget -r
<DarthFrog> Or maybe it's wget -R.   "man wget"
<mantas> can someone explain why i get warning when starting every xterm
<mantas> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
<psoulocybe> hi guys
<psoulocybe> anyone know the kubuntu?
<quarupt> My client wont let me msg
<psoulocybe> i'm trying to set my ip address to static
<psoulocybe> and i can't find it in kcontrol
<psoulocybe> where do they have it now?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: If you decide to have a go at it yourself, be sure to uninstall (use synaptic) the linux-restricted-modules package you installed earlier.
<quarupt> My client wont let me msg
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: will do
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: what time will you be on tomorrow? its 11:27pm here
<|Gunther|> help
<|Gunther|> I am trying to mount a partition that is fat 32, i tried telling the mount command it was vfs, then I was told that there is no vfs support... what is going on?? I D K what to do here guys
<|Gunther|> something about not being built into the kernel
<brenden> a
<brenden> h
<brenden> a
<brenden> h
<brenden> oops
<sandwitch> fat 32 is vfat
<|Gunther|> yes I know that
<sandwitch> so mount /dev/whatever -t vfat /mount/point
<|Gunther|> Ubuntu lacks support for the filesystem i noticed how do I get support for it is a question
<sandwitch> modprobe vfat
<|Gunther|> tried that...
<sandwitch> so there is no vfat strange ..... (im not an ubunu user) should be
<|Gunther|> I know...
<|Gunther|> maybe there is a deb package for it, but I keep coming up with something that has to do with gnome
<|Gunther|> libraries
<sandwitch> nah should be in the kernel
<tritium> there is a vfat module
<|Gunther|> it wont work for me in the 4.10 release if there is
<sandwitch> |Gunther|, look in /lib/modules/kernelname/kernel/fs/ there should be an vfat
<sandwitch> are you root when you modprobe ?
<|Gunther|> I tried it explicitly stated that the kernel is not familiar with vfat
<|Gunther|> I know it is fat32...?
<tritium> modinfo vfat returns nothing?
<tritium> which kernel?
<|Gunther|> whatever the original 4.10 runs
<|Gunther|> I hav to reboot into that system to do any changes
<tritium> can you please run "uname -r"?
<tritium> oh, I see
<|Gunther|> I need a modem driver to get online with that 2
<|Gunther|> I will check if there is a vfat file there sanwitch
<|Gunther|> if there is it must mean I have the vfs compatibility okay
<sabmoc> omg, i need sleep
<sandwitch> yep and dont forget to `sudo modprobe`
<|Gunther|> k thanks
<sabmoc> yep, and dont forsleep to sleep `sleepo sleeprobe`
<sandwitch> first <insert clean teeth> :P
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Don't know. Check the channel, see if I'm active.
<|Gunther|> is ubuntu otherwise known as turbolinux>
<|Gunther|> ?
<spacey> no
<bob2> |Gunther|: um, no
<spacey> and vfat works
<spacey> one of the few things that i'm am sure of atm
<spacey> whoho
<|Gunther|> k, I doubt that
<spacey> say what you want:D
<NighTH> hi
<NighTH> i'm trying to do a sw raid1 in ubuntu... and i want that it boot in raid too
<NighTH> im using grub
<NighTH> im following some documentation http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html
<NighTH> but when i reboot to boot in the second drive.. it dont work
<NighTH> somebody tried it before?
<linux_galore> hmm not burning Kubuntu live CD
<linux_galore> now*
<Zanz> got a question on kernel sources
<Zanz> for warty
<linux_galore> decided to paint the kitchen while waiting for the kubuntu download heh heh
<Zanz> where do i get them?
<pablo928> linux_galore: must have dial-up?
<waseem> hey how do i stop a command from executing?
<linux_galore> pablo928: no I have 1.5mb/s download the server was only giving me 53k/s
<Zanz> control c i think
<waseem> zanz: thanks that worked
<waseem> how do i find a file named bittorrent?
<waseem> find ~/bittorrent doesnt seem to be working
<HrdwrBoB> find -name bittorrent
<Zanz> iisn't there a gui search?
<pablo928> linux_galore:I understand all too well!
<Zanz> ahh
<HrdwrBoB> or find|grep bittorrent
<sabmoc> maxchee ping? re:CanadianLoCo
<linux_galore> pablo928:  3hours to download so i said ok maight just paint the kitchen
<waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ find -name bittorrent
<waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ find|grep bittorrent
<waseem> waseem@waseem:~$
<pablo928> linux_galore: Are you down-loading warty or hoary?
<waseem> the problem is it doesnt do anything
<linux_galore> hoary
<waseem> it just goes to the next command line
<linux_galore> 5.04
<Zanz> are you looking for a torrent file for a download?
<waseem> yes
<Zanz> then it's (something).torrent
<Ely__> anyone here uses ATI with hardware acceleration with hoarty?
<Zanz> should be
<sabmoc> night folks
<linux_galore> ls *.torr
<waseem> zanz: i havent downloaded the file yet, i want to open up bittorrent to do that
<linux_galore> waseem:   ls  *.torr
<Zanz> yeah, the torrent is will end in .torrent, click on that it'll open up bittorrent to start downloading the big file
<waseem> linux_galore: what should my directory be
<linux_galore> waseem: dont know.....you downloaded the file not me
<waseem> linux_galore: i didnt download any file
<Zanz> is there a way to search all directories?
<waseem> im trying to open up bittorrent
<linux_galore> waseem: check the program that downloaded the file should show you were it put it
<Zanz> oh, you odn't open up bittorrent first, you download a .torrent file first
<linux_galore> waseem: well then what are you looking for
<waseem> oh ok
<Zanz> it's sort of a guide file for the bigger download
<waseem> where is a good site with .torrent files?
<Zanz> hmm...
<Zanz> dunno
<linux_galore> waseem:  usually you just click on the torrent link on the web page and the browser powers up your default torrent app
<Zanz> i know suprnova got shut down
<linux_galore> wasabi:   use google
<linux_galore> wasabi:  www.bitreactor.com  is still up
<waseem> haha ok thanks
<waseem> ive actually never tried wasabi in my life
<linux_galore> waseem: there are web sites dedicated to set media formats so i usually just google for  what I want
<waseem> well any site could have torrents
<waseem> i just thought maybe some of you guys would know a good site with torrents of quality
<dizzie> Morning all :)
<linux_galore> aaaaaaaaaargh its the Microsft advert.......... we see Fiona......etc
<Zanz> were not all software pirates
<Zanz> what?
<Zanz> oh
<Zanz> yeah
<linux_galore> .........must  find remote..........must find remote before I go mad
<pablo928> linux_galore: thought you were painting?
<linux_galore> no download is finnished
<linux_galore> also Ive finnshed painting the kitchen
<pablo928> linux_galore; how long did it take you?
<linux_galore> 3 hours
<pablo928> linux_galore: You didn't down-load as a .torrent file?
<linux_galore>  pablo928no direct of the server
<pablo928> linux_galore: Are you loading it to another box? Or the one you're using now?
<linux_galore> slashdot nicely posted a link to the server I was on when I was 10% into the download it went from 180k to 56k in 20 min lol
<linux_galore> pablo928: the on Im on
<linux_galore> one*
<Zanz> hehehe
<pablo928> linux_galore: Thank slashdot.
<pablo928> linux_galore: You on warty now?
<linux_galore> there I was going .....ooh cool 40 min and Im finnished.........than I saw the rss slashdot post on kubuntu and kde 3.4 and watched the bandwidht go down
<Diablo-D3> heh
* Diablo-D3 should attempt kubuntu
<linux_galore> pablo928: no right now Im on CCuX
<linux_galore> got Ubuntu on my iBook
<linux_galore> chatclient:
<linux_galore> is using Gaim v1.2 http://gaim.sf.net on CCux Linux 2.6.11smp
<Daehlie> i am wondering what the default setting of the root password is in ubuntu, there was no part in the install for the root password
<linux_galore> want to watch an iBook go from slow/hanging heap of crap to ...zooooooooooooooom  swap to Linux
<pablo928> linux_galore: 'cause I up-graded to hoary today and now I can't find my synaptic manager, Oh well, still have apt-get.
<linux_galore> pablo928: might not be there
<linux_galore> pablo928:  apt-get install synaptic
<waseem> ok i have a .torrent downloaded
<waseem> do i just double click on it now?
<pablo928> linux_galore: Maybe not. Hey, I have a P-2 300 MHz running warty!
<onkarshinde> Daehlie: do you mean, "Why there is no default root account?"
<linux_galore> waseem: yes
<Daehlie> onkarshinde: yes, i guess that is what I am asking
<waseem> linux_galore: the problem is it never connects to any of my peers
<linux_galore> waseem: aaah bet you have the bittorent port closed on the firewall
<waseem> gay.
<Daehlie> onkarshinde: can I just create a root account from my user account
<waseem> ok well ill go check that up
<waseem> thanks linux_galore
<onkarshinde> The policy is like this way. The first user you create (while installation) has root powers (only through sudo command). You may want to open Root Terminal from System Tools for carrying out actions that require root previliges.
<eyequeue> Daehlie:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<eyequeue> Daehlie:  root is niot advised, see the url
<Daehlie> k
<linux_galore> Daehlie: for a desktop root accounts open a whole single point security problem
<linux_galore> in fact some distro's dont even have sudo or any reference to root
<ghita> doese anyone got problems with the icon themes?
<stuNNed> ghita: which ones?
<onkarshinde> Has anyone notices that there is no way to configure nautilus to open folder in same window. I tried editing configuration using gconf. It didn't work.
<mpathy> apropos, who knows some good ones, who are really complete?
<jdub> onkarshinde: hold shift when opening a folder
<onkarshinde> jdub: that is okay. But there should be permanent configuration. It used to be there in FC1
<jdub> no, that's a different thing; the browser mode
<jdub> you can switch to the browser mode permanently
<onkarshinde> jdub: how do I do that?
<jdub> click on the "always open in browser windows" setting
<onkarshinde> jdub: and where is that setting?
<jdub> in the file management dialogue dude
<onkarshinde> thanks
<onkarshinde> jdub: thanks very much
* wland hi all
<Imrahil> using the livecd. went into hibernate mode. asking for password for ubuntu. shouldn't it just be ubuntu?
<pepsi> what happens if you just hit enter?
<Imrahil> says denied
<neighborlee> weird
<marshall_> is there any real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?  Isn't kde just a package for ubuntu?
<onkarshinde> marshall_: No ubuntu just contains GNOME
<Agrajag> onkarshinde: no it doesn't
<deFrysk> kubuntu = -gnome ,. +kde
<Agrajag> KDE is in universe.
<onkarshinde> Agrajag: I am talking about default packages that get installed by the cd.
<cef> at the base, it's no different.. just kde instead of gnome.. but remember that the base itself isn't that big
<sn0wman> if i install kubuntu, will kdm replace gdm?
<bob2> KDE is in supported in hoary
<bob2> sn0wman: kubuntu uses kdm by default
<deFrysk> sn0wman, you get to choose when kdm is being installed
<sn0wman> ok
<sn0wman> good
<djp> morning has broken...
<deFrysk> but shutdownfuncions work better with kdm when using kde
<pablo928> En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?\
<djp> any one use dar here?
<Myrtti> llo
<ghita> doese anyone got problems with the icon themes d3a?
<pablo928> En que parte de Baja se encuentra usted?
<bob2> pablo928: #ubuntu-es
<pablo928> bob2:I'm trying to IM and doesn't seem to be working.
<bob2> ok, but this is an english language channel
<pablo928> bob2:I know, but SIS swas trying to go to SISSSSSSMS.
<djp> have just performed a complete system backup using dar. it appears to have worked, although nine files have not been backed up due to permission being denied. all nine files are located in the same directory, /sys/bus/pci/drivers. anyone got any ideas?
<bob2> I don't know what that means
<Beuno> hey, Im having a dependencies problem when installing kubuntu
<Beuno> can anyone give me a hand=
<Beuno> ?
<Daehlie> i am wondering how to install gtk themes in ubuntu
<pablo928> Beuno: You can;t get them through apt_get?
<Beuno> pablo: no, Im having some sort of dependencies problem
<Beuno> with python packages
<memcmeme> greetings friends
<pablo928> Beuno:Do you have gnome installed or is this a fresh install?
<Beuno> I already have gnome installed
<pablo928> Beuno:You say you have dependency problems. What are you getting?
<memcmeme> Gnome is a swell WM
<Beuno> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
<Beuno>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed
<Beuno>                    Depends: python-imaging-sane but it is not going to be instal                                led
<Beuno>                    Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed
<Beuno>                    Depends: python-pyorbit but it is not going to be installed
<memcmeme> #flood is your friend Beuno :)
<Beuno> sorry
<memcmeme> no problem
<Beuno> Ill be good
<memcmeme> its really quite fine, I do it all the time
<neom> In Canada we have what is known as family and children services, it's a government program that proves counseling and foster homes and whatnot to kids who have issues at home. It's free. Anyone know the American equivalent?
<Beuno> ;D
<pablo928> Beuno:When I installed KDE I used the synaptic package manager, no dependency problems.
<Beuno> you had warty
<memcmeme> neom  yeah, its called the county department of health and human services
<Beuno> or hoarty?
<memcmeme> if you live in a poor state
<memcmeme> your screwed
<memcmeme> if you live in a rich state
<memcmeme> its great
<pablo928> Beuno:warty
<Beuno> hmmmm
<Beuno> me too
<Beuno> thats wierd
<Beuno> I installed ubuntu today
<Beuno> traded it in for fedora
<Beuno> and Im loving it
<hippyhuffinpaint> anyone get firefox woking on kubuntu 5.04?
<memcmeme> yes
<hippyhuffinpaint> how did you do it
<memcmeme> apt-get install firefox
<memcmeme> it needs updating
<hippyhuffinpaint> okay i did that
<pablo928> Beuno:Ubuntu Is my first attempt at Linux.
<Beuno> really?
<Beuno> Ive been all over the place
<memcmeme> hmmm.... then i don't know what is wrong
<onkarshinde> Beuno: Me too. Recently shifted from FC1 to Ubuntu
<hippyhuffinpaint> after i attempted installing 1.0.2
<Beuno> Ive had a couple of debian before
<memcmeme> pablo928 you can to the right place :)
<Beuno> its really the best distro
<memcmeme> although if you have Broadband I would reccomend
<Beuno> just a pain in the ass for some things
<memcmeme> Hoary
<pablo928> Beuno:I never owned a computer until about a year ago>
<Beuno> which apperently got "fixed" with ubuntu
<onkarshinde> Beuno: Specifically fro GNOME lovers
<hippyhuffinpaint> mozilla-firefox starts to load a browser then it closes
<Beuno> well, they got kubuntu out there, si
<Beuno> so
<memcmeme> i reccomend trying both to be honest, try ubuntu and kubuntu
<memcmeme> I have both on this machine
<Beuno> thats what Im aiming at
<Beuno> Im a KDE lover myself
<memcmeme> just do apt-get install kubuntu desktop from your normal ubuntu intallan
<hippyhuffinpaint> i just started using kubuntu today
<memcmeme> and you will have KDE desktop tricked out for ubuntu
<memcmeme> it kicks ass
<hippyhuffinpaint> from mandrake 10.1
<Beuno> I got kde 3.2 on it
<Beuno> just want 3.4 now
<hippyhuffinpaint> thats what i had on mandrake
<onkarshinde> hippyhuffinpaint: How is your experience with kubnutu and KDE 3.4?
<hippyhuffinpaint> i got 3.4
<hippyhuffinpaint> its been so far so good, well except for not getting mozila-firefox working
<Beuno> aaah
<Beuno> got it working
<Beuno> ;D
<Beuno> apt is downloading!!!
<onkarshinde> I would like to recommend Ubuntu to my friend. But he is KDE lover. Any plus/minus for KUbuntu?
<hippyhuffinpaint> i had it working
<pepsi> memcmeme, will it break gnome to install it?
<hippyhuffinpaint> the 1.0.2
<hippyhuffinpaint> but that dont work now
<memcmeme> not at all
<pepsi> which one will be default?
<pepsi> and how would i pick?
<memcmeme> just make sure you leave choose GDM when you get asked between GDM and KDM
<memcmeme> initially it will still default to Gnome
<memcmeme> but you can tell it which on to default to
<pepsi> hrm
<memcmeme> for example I have mine default to KDE
<memcmeme> but GDM is a LOT better than KDM
<_Demian_> how do I install a rpm package
<_Demian_> ?
<memcmeme> I don't know that you can
<memcmeme> just get the tarball version of it
<memcmeme> or check your apt repositories
<memcmeme> go into synaptic
<deFrysk> memcmeme, kdm works better with kde
<memcmeme> then make sure you have universe and multiverse selected
<onkarshinde> _Demian_: I don't think you can install rpm on a Debain based distro
<Beuno> rpm is on redhat
<Beuno> we got .deb's here
<deFrysk> memcmeme, gdm better with gnome
<_Demian_> hmmmz
<pepsi> _Demian_, ive never used it, but man alien
<Beuno> or even better, apt-get!
<memcmeme> deFrysk yes, but if you like being able to log into the WM as root GDM makes the process of configuring both of them more painless
<memcmeme> and I have found that they both work quite well
<memcmeme> its a matter of preference :)
<hippyhuffinpaint> anyone know what i could do to make a program quit crashing
<pepsi> dont run it
<memcmeme> its always worth checking for a later version
<hippyhuffinpaint> what if i installed a later version then installed the older version?
<memcmeme> I don't know in that case
<memcmeme> I am relatively new to this all myself
<Beuno> anyone had kde 3.2 installed
<Beuno> and installed kubuntu?
<Beuno> cause Im doing that as we speak
<Beuno> just curious on what will happen
<hippyhuffinpaint> yes
<hippyhuffinpaint> i just did that
<hippyhuffinpaint> mandrake 10.1 to kubuntu 5.04
<walski> in k3b now in hoary - how to you enable k3b mp3 support
<Beuno> it updates the 3.2 version without any problems?
<hippyhuffinpaint> i dunno for sure i get errors
<memcmeme> the error message should tell you what the missing component is
<Beuno> walski:  I use xmms
<hippyhuffinpaint> closing outta apps i get bombed with crashes
<memcmeme> or go into synaptic and type k3b
<memcmeme> specify description
<memcmeme> and you will get all the packages associated with it
<hippyhuffinpaint> who me?
<walski> memcmeme, ive installed it
<memcmeme> I know
<memcmeme> but if you do that
<memcmeme> and specify to search description and name
<memcmeme> you will see all of the other packages that are associated with it
<memcmeme> including plugins
<pablo928> memcmeme: I up-graded to hoary today nd now can't find the synaptic package manager.
<memcmeme> apt-get install synaptic
<Beuno> pablo: try apt-get then
<memcmeme> then type synaptic in your root terminal
<memcmeme> and it will magically appear
<walski> k thanks 4 that memcmeme
<memcmeme> make sure you go into repositories
<memcmeme> and check universe and multiverse
<memcmeme> so you have the best of the best packages
<djp> anyone use dar here?
<walski> ill have more of a look in repositories
<pablo928> memcmeme:Hey it worked. I've got the synaptic package manager again. Thanks.
<hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~# apt-get install firefox
<hippyhuffinpaint> Reading Package Lists... Done
<hippyhuffinpaint> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<hippyhuffinpaint> E: Couldn't find package firefox
<hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~#
<scandium> mozilla-firefox
<hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~# apt-get install mozilla-firefox
<hippyhuffinpaint> Reading Package Lists... Done
<hippyhuffinpaint> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<hippyhuffinpaint> mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
<hippyhuffinpaint> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.
<hippyhuffinpaint> root@trainwreks:~#
<scandium> there you go
<hippyhuffinpaint> doesn't work
<scandium> what happens if you type "firefox" in console?
<scandium> or click the blue ball in the top panel
<hippyhuffinpaint> alex@trainwreks:~$ firefox
<hippyhuffinpaint> alex@trainwreks:~$
<hippyhuffinpaint> nothing
<hippyhuffinpaint> starts to load
<hippyhuffinpaint> doesnt open
<Diablo-D3> yay
<Diablo-D3> sarge iso done downloading
<Diablo-D3> hopefully that can install
<memcmeme> no problem :)
<Diablo-D3> and then I can install ubuntu from that
<ghita> hello!Whay can't I see for example for a jar file the gnome-mime-application-x-jar icon?
<hippyhuffinpaint> how do i remove apps
<Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: apt-get remove
<hippyhuffinpaint> diablo-d3 thanks, but what if i didn't install it with apt-get install
<Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: how else would you install things?
<hippyhuffinpaint> i unpacked the tarball for mozilla firefox 1.02 and installed that
<Diablo-D3> eww.
<Diablo-D3> rtfm then
<hippyhuffinpaint> whats that mean?
<toni^> :P
<Diablo-D3> rtfd while you're at it
<Diablo-D3> and if that doesnt help, www.fuckinggoogleit.com
<hippyhuffinpaint> thanks
<toni^> hippyhuffinpaint: there should be uninstall script where you installed it
<hippyhuffinpaint> okay
* Diablo-D3 should script that sequence for xchat
<Myrtti> Diablo-D3: do you know what etymology lies behind Ubuntu's name?
<Myrtti> just asking out of curiosity
<Diablo-D3> Myrtti: check the faq for that
<sabmoc|zombie> hrmmmmmrmmmm.. braaainzzz....
<Myrtti> because I doubt *you* have read that part of Ubuntu's rtfd, since your attitude towards newbies is so hostile
<pablo928> Diablo-D3:I just followed your link, Pretty good!
<Diablo-D3> Myrtti: ahh, in that case, do you know the etymology that lies behind my name? ;)
<sabmoc|zombie> Myrtti, who's being hostil to noobs? thats my job and I'll be damned is someone is gonna spork me out of it!
<Myrtti> Diablo-D3: saint who's said to be the guardian of Irish?
<Diablo-D3> yeah--wait, no!
<Diablo-D3> I eat people! For breakfast! Humans taste like chicken!
<omniscient> anyone found the easter egg on that site
<Myrtti> no but really. I just dislike the attitude of giving RTFM or UTFG as the sole answer
<Myrtti> but do continue whatever you were doing
<Diablo-D3> I _was_ attempting to ubuntufy a laptop
<Diablo-D3> the kind of laptop that running DOS is it's speed
<Myrtti> I'll continue being "The Ubuntu using Finnish nerdette-whiner-bitch"
<Myrtti> carry on
<Diablo-D3> seeing as the install cd wont work on it...
<sabmoc|zombie> hrrmmmrmm.. brainzzss..
<hippyhuffinpaint> i dunno if there is an uninstall scrpt would it be named xpicleanup?  its my mozilla-firefox directory.
<Diablo-D3> Ill attempt to use debian install (which works on everything, including toasters) and then ubuntufy the debian install
<Diablo-D3> hippyhuffinpaint: no
<Myrtti> Diablo-D3: have you tried pure Ubuntu install on that machine yet?
<Diablo-D3> Myrtti: pure as in whats off the 4.10 install cd?
<Diablo-D3> Myrtti: thats what I tried already
<joshmachine> anyone here have any success with the cisco vpn client on hoary?  The module loads fine, but when I try to use it the kernel emits some sort of stack dump (with the apparent root problem "Badness in local_bh_enable at kernel/softirq.c:140")  this worked fine on debian sarge.
<Myrtti> Diablo-D3: or the hoary preview install CDs
<Diablo-D3> apparently low memory mode is completely borked on those cds
<Myrtti> I'm not sure if we talk about the same thing
<NetComm> wwhere are guys based?
<NetComm> im just woundering how long my cd will take..
<Myrtti> version numbering has always made my head dizzy
<NetComm> im in australia
<Diablo-D3> Myrtti: we dont, 4.10 is warty
<Myrtti> ok
<Diablo-D3> atleast, I think its warty. Its whatever is stable atm
<Myrtti> I'd try hoary CD's before trying with Debian installer
* Diablo-D3 beats ubuntu and debian both for using version numbers
<Myrtti> but that's just me
<Diablo-D3> heh, Im on dialup, Myrtti
<Diablo-D3> unless you plan on same day fedexing me a hoary install cd.... =P
<NetComm> anyone want to have a stap at my question?
<sabmoc|zombie> a stap? sure i'll stap it
<Ribs> nothing like a good stapping
<Diablo-D3> stap! stap! stappity stap!
<sabmoc|zombie> hmm.. staping goodness.. *gurgle*
<Diablo-D3> </blackmage>
<NetComm> hardly funny
* Diablo-D3 . o O ( wrong crowd for that reference )
<sabmoc|zombie> I dunno, three comments seem to say otherwise. :)
<sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, whats the question?
<Myrtti> NetComm: I just didn't understand your question
<Myrtti> you could try to rephraze it
<NetComm> where are the developers of ubuntu based?
<Myrtti> all over the world
<Diablo-D3> NetComm: on planet earth
<NetComm> and who long with my copy take to be shipped to australia?
<pablo928> Diablo-D3:I installed 4.10 0n a old PC chips mother board with a P12 300 Mhz processor. It just didn't recognize my on-board video,  sound or nic. (
<memcmeme> back
<NetComm> ok where are the cd's shipped from?
<sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, I think canonical is based in south africa
<Diablo-D3> pablo928: how much memory?
<Diablo-D3> NetComm: because it came from sweeden
<jdub> NetComm: when did you order the cd?
<Diablo-D3> heh, atleast, my stack of ubuntu cds came from sweeden
<Funraiser> there is nero for linux now :http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1913.phtml
<NetComm> just now
<NetComm> im in australia..
<jdub> NetComm: then you won't get it until after hoary is released.
<Diablo-D3> Funraiser: yeah, that was on slashdot like last month
<Funraiser> oh
<Myrtti> Funraiser: available to those who have registered and paid for Windows version
<Diablo-D3> yay its jdub
<jdub> NetComm: if you're in sydney, you can get some warty CDs from me
<Funraiser> yeah...
<Diablo-D3> jdub: say something funny
<sabmoc|zombie> NetComm, the Ubuntu helijet should be in your backyard momentarily, please wait.
<NetComm> jdub im in tasmania
<Myrtti> which suck ***, but on the other hand, I don't have burning ROM drive
<pablo928> Diablo-D3: 228 MB ram
<Diablo-D3> pablo928: thats why.
<Myrtti> so I couldn't care less
<Diablo-D3> pablo928: this laptop only has 32
<Funraiser> like "who" has a registred version of Nero...
<sabmoc|zombie> I need a good staping!!
<jdub> NetComm: ok. the shipit pages do say that current CD orders are for hoary, and will be shipped after its release.
<Diablo-D3> pablo928: which triggers low memory mode, which causes it to explode
<Myrtti> Funraiser: that one too :->
<sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, everyone who buys a cd-burner actually.
<Funraiser> didn't think about that
<Diablo-D3> am I the only one here who thinks kubuntu should merge with ubuntu?
<NetComm> well that wasnt so hard was it, jesus christ
<Diablo-D3> I dont think I even own a copy of nero
<jdub> Diablo-D3: you are. because you don't realise that they are one and the same.
<sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, I have an oem cd of nero sitting on my desk with cd-key
<Funraiser> gonna get my version of NeroLinux
<Diablo-D3> both of my cd burners came with nero, and I tossed the disks out
<Ribs> Diablo-D3: Buy OEM, it's cheaper :>
<Diablo-D3> jdub: but they are being marketed as seperate distros?
<Diablo-D3> Ribs: these were oem
<jdub> Diablo-D3: to a certain extent, yes
<Diablo-D3> I never buy retail box stuff
<Diablo-D3> jdub: I dont see the point in that
<Ribs> and it came with software?
<Ribs> ohh errr
<Diablo-D3> yeah, it came with nero
<jdub> Diablo-D3: that's okay.
<word_virus> OEM keys don't work with NeroLinux.  You have to buy the box. :-(
<Funraiser> nero was the only app i had to go back to window$, now i'm free
<Diablo-D3> infact, my most recent one didnt even come with screws or cables
<Diablo-D3> but it came with a nero disc
<Diablo-D3> go figure
<memcmeme> sweet
<pablo928> Diablo-D3:Nero want you to upgrade.
<toni^> whos so sick to BUY cd burner for linux?...
<memcmeme> I do have a serious question though
<Diablo-D3> pablo928: nero can kiss my shiney metal ass
<memcmeme> honestly
<Diablo-D3> k3b > *
<memcmeme> what is better about nero over k3b?
<Diablo-D3> hah
<memcmeme> I have not read of any real advange
<Diablo-D3> nothing
<memcmeme> advange
<memcmeme> shit I can't spell advantage
<Diablo-D3> k3b is the best cd burner software in existance
<Myrtti> toni^: software or hardware? I'm sure lots of people have CD burners...
<memcmeme> Here here!
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, eeww, just eww
<Myrtti> :->
<Diablo-D3> okay, fine, you gnome kiddies can use your k3b clone
<toni^> Myrtti: emn... talking about nero ;)
<jebus> ok i have a obvious and dumb question
<Myrtti> well, I got the impression that one cannot buy it, the linux version
<Funraiser> K3b doesn't convert mp3 to avi directly
<Funraiser> when burning an audio cd
<Diablo-D3> Funraiser: er... what?
<memcmeme> you can't
<memcmeme> you have to buy the windows version
<Diablo-D3> Funraiser: you mean mp3 to pcm directly?
<jebus> does ubuntu support rpm files
<memcmeme> and when you register it
<Myrtti> that it's available without payment to those who have already bought the Windows version
<Myrtti> or registered it
<Myrtti> to be more precise
<memcmeme> they will let you download the linux version
<Myrtti> indeed
* Echylo is away: Zever, Gezever!
<Echylo> omg
<memcmeme> just stupid if you ask me
<Diablo-D3> yeah, do they think they can compete with k3b?
<memcmeme> I would never buy Nero, I like K3B UI better too
* Diablo-D3 <3 keb
<Diablo-D3> er, argh
<spiral> hi
* Diablo-D3 somehow translated 31337 speak to normal speak on the fly
<underlord> on boot ubuntu outputs a bunch of errors reading my disk, but still boots ok, i suspect i might have some bad blocks or something, how can i force a check?
<Funraiser> Diablo-D3 i mean mp3 to the format for an audio cd
<Myrtti> memcmeme: on the other hand, the windows version is bundeled on almost every CD burner, so if they have (don't know if they do) a way of registering it online outside of the windows software, then it would be a piece of cake getting the linux version too
<Diablo-D3> Funraiser: that would be pcm
<pablo928> memcmeme; Is k3b available thru ap-get?
<Myrtti> pablo928: yes
<Diablo-D3> apt-get install k3b
<Funraiser> ok, one might think that it's a required feature...
<Diablo-D3> recent version already installed blah blah blah
<memcmeme> yep
<jebus> does ubuntu support rpm files
<memcmeme> thatst he stupid thing
<Diablo-D3> jebus: no, use alien
<jebus> thanks
<memcmeme> you have to have windows to register the damn windows version
<SeeleyUSMC> Who's alive?
<sabmoc|zombie> hhmmrm.. brainzzzz
<Diablo-D3> memcmeme: ... that makes no sense
<omniscient> Myrtti, you cant use that one to register
<Diablo-D3> thats like how microsoft does it
<omniscient> its oem aint it
<Myrtti> omniscient: well that sucks
<omniscient> they only work witht hat burner
<omniscient> from my experiance
<memcmeme> pablo928 if you don't have a certain driver
<Diablo-D3> <billg> we dont sell you software, you sell us your soul
<memcmeme> it will tell you to install it
<Diablo-D3> <billg> whahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhahah *cough*
<memcmeme> pablo928 dont panic if that happens, just copy and past the driver name into synaptic
<memcmeme> and you will find it :)
<Diablo-D3> btw, yes, oem copies are locked to the specific cd burner
<memcmeme> bastard
<memcmeme> bastards
<memcmeme> that is
<Myrtti> I don't know if I should be happy or not, but I have no other way of physically get my stuff out of my computer than my USB memory stick
<memcmeme> lol
<Diablo-D3> Myrtti: ph33r.
<Myrtti> which, BTW, I haven't checked if it works with my current hardware
<Diablo-D3> it could be worse, though
<Myrtti> it could
<Diablo-D3> you could cram DSL onto your usb key
<Myrtti> say what?
<Diablo-D3> damn small linux
<memcmeme> LOL
<memcmeme> DSL is cute
<memcmeme> but honestly
<Myrtti> yeah well, a friend of mine keeps Firefox on his USB stick
<memcmeme> unless you have ancient hardware there is no bloody point
<Diablo-D3> memcmeme: no no no man
<Myrtti> cause the schools stuck on Netscape 4.7 and IE
<sabmoc|zombie> Myrtti, i bet that impresses all the girls at work.
<Diablo-D3> its like installing linux on your keychain
<Myrtti> sabmoc|zombie: I keep my firefox on my network shared drive
<memcmeme> exactly
<memcmeme> its cute
<memcmeme> I said that
<Myrtti> cause I have the same prob at my school
<Diablo-D3> linux on my keychain, netbsd on my toaster, windows in the trashcan...
<memcmeme> what schools are these Hschools or Universities?
<memcmeme> and are you teachers or students?
<Myrtti> If it wouldn't work from the network drive, I'd be forced to do the same
<Myrtti> memcmeme: Tampere Polytechnic is where I study, my friend studies at Tampere Technical University
<Myrtti> University of Technology
<Diablo-D3> gah
<Diablo-D3> I was wondering why it was so bright in my room
<Diablo-D3> the sun came up
<jebus> lmao
<jebus> morning
<Myrtti> But the USB stick was quite handy after we moved on January
<memcmeme> where the heck is that?  Florida?
<Myrtti> didn't have DSL yet, so I used sneakernet
<SeeleyUSMC> heh. sun doesn't come up for a while here. its 2:07am
<Myrtti> memcmeme: Finland
<pablo928> memcmeme: You're right. When I went to start k3b tells me I need some executables. I'll work on that later.
<Diablo-D3> maine.
<Myrtti> Europe
<Diablo-D3> though its not quite up yet
<Myrtti> :->
<Diablo-D3> its getting there though
<jebus> pitch black here
<Myrtti> I'm off, have to fry some fish
<memcmeme> pablo928 it will take like 10 seconds,  apt-get install name of exe
<memcmeme> that way you wont forget :)
<Diablo-D3> that reminds me
<memcmeme> yeah I am in Oregon
<Diablo-D3> Im supposed to be burning cd
<Daehlie> yay for oregon
<Diablo-D3> Id rather be in washington
<Daehlie> pffft
<matthew> hi can anyone tell me how to download a flash plug in that will install by itself after i download it?
<sabmoc|zombie> anyone from Canada?
<Daehlie> washington just _WISHES_ it was oregon
<matthew> i don't know how to program and I am a new user
<pablo928> Diablo-D3:Where are you? I have 3:09 A.M here.
<memcmeme> oh this is great www.linuxsucks.org  its an anti-linux forum that has been taken over by Linux lovers LOL, classic
<Diablo-D3> Sun Mar 20 05:10:01 EST 2005
<Diablo-D3> pablo928: maine as I said before
<memcmeme> Daehlie Seattle area?  Or Central or Eastern?
<jebus> lmao
<sabmoc|zombie> matthew, Im not a programmer either, dont sweat it. You're still aloud to be an idiot and obnoxious, infact, its highly encouraged :D
<matthew> ty but i love the program
<djp> any dar users here?
<memcmeme> nothing wrong with being a complete moron, so long as your relatively civil :)
<Daehlie> I am originally from Bend, Oregon, I am in Salt Lake City UT attending college at the University of Utah
<jebus> nice
<memcmeme> major?
<matthew> ty 2, so how bout the flash plug in
<memcmeme> I fly through Salt lake all of the time
<memcmeme> on my way to orlando
<Diablo-D3> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree?
<memcmeme> uhhh
<memcmeme> I would try synaptic
<Daehlie> my major is computer science
<memcmeme> search description keyword flash
<matthew> ok how do i use synaptic
<matthew> ok ill try it
<Daehlie> surprise surprise
<memcmeme> Daehlie sweet
<memcmeme> I am a Expiremental Psych major, focussing on Comparative psych,
<matthew> ok my synaptic doesnt find it on my system
<memcmeme> ok
<memcmeme> here is what you want to do
<Funraiser> i assume deb packages work on ubuntu, right?
<Diablo-D3> Funraiser: yes
<sabmoc|zombie> matthew, you probably need to install the universe repository
<Funraiser> dpkg -i etc..
<Diablo-D3> and lots of ubuntu packages work on deb
<sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, yup
<Funraiser> ok
* Diablo-D3 uses xorg on deb sid
<Funraiser> thanks
<sabmoc|zombie> matthew, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
<Diablo-D3> grr
<Diablo-D3> I need a new rewritable cd
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, meow
<Diablo-D3> it maxes out at 12x
<aeolist> hi, i am having trouble compiling the kernel: http://www.pastebin.com/260523
<sabmoc|zombie> hey did anyone hear about the version of a live-cd someone came out with, its a cd-rw you load the OS just like regular, but then you can create files and before you reboot it will write it to the cd so next time you pop it in, files are intact. So Cool.
<cef> the >= 16x cd-rw's use a different burn mechanism
<Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: yup
<Diablo-D3> cef: so?
<johnl> cool
<Diablo-D3> cef: my cd burner can do it
<cef> Diablo-D3: so you can't burn them at less than 16x.. just something to keep in mind
<jdub> sabmoc|zombie: fairly likely we'll do a similar thing for breezy
<sabmoc|zombie> JDub fantastic
<Diablo-D3> cef: that isnt exactly it
<Diablo-D3> cef: I cant burn _faster_ than 12x with this cd
<Diablo-D3> software locks me out from doing so
<Diablo-D3> its a 52x48x52 drive, btw
<cef> Diablo-D3: that may be because the burner won't write to a non-high speed cdrw
<cef> at greater than 12x (next step up is 16x)
<Diablo-D3> cef: no, it will only write to what the cd says it is
<Diablo-D3> Ive had it do it on a batch of cdrs too
<Diablo-D3> maxed out at 32x
<cef> Diablo-D3: yep
<mirak> nautilus is a catastrophe
<Diablo-D3> naut does suck =/
<m-onkey> why?
<mirak> nautilus is the worst part og gnome
<mirak> of
<mirak> it always crashes
<Diablo-D3> why cant gnome just clone konq
<mirak> for whatever reason
<cef> Diablo-D3: just saying if/when you get a 16x cd-rw, you will only be able to write to it in your burner at 16x or better. any less, and it "will not work"
<mirak> I like gnome desktop, but nautilus is not good
<Diablo-D3> cef: but.... why would I?
<Diablo-D3> I can play quake3 and burn at 52x with no underuns
<mirak> I am thinking in usong konqueror instead of nautilus even inside of gnome
<cef> Diablo-D3: eg: using the disk to transfer from work to home and back again? esp if the other burner doesn't do greater than 12x
<Diablo-D3> cef: I'd probably be the head of the IT department
<Diablo-D3> so I'd just order myself a new drive
<jdub> mirak: where you see nautilus crashes, please click the 'report to developers' button in the crash dialogue
<cef> Diablo-D3: fair enuff.. just pointing it out
<pablo928> Good night all.
<Diablo-D3> hrm
<Diablo-D3> and I'd get rid of all the windows and redhat machines too
<Diablo-D3> and get rid of my boss too
<Diablo-D3> Im thinking... load elevator with tons of stuff I ordered just so its right under the break limit for the cable...
<Diablo-D3> and then shove my boss in there
<cef> heh
<mirak> jdub: it crashes so many times I can't even tell what is the common behavior that produce a bug
<mirak> it crashes for whatever reason
<mirak> I can't tell why
<cef> Diablo-D3: you need to be a little more devious.. but you're getting there *grin*
<Diablo-D3> cef: come on, thats classic bofh
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, you're either smoking too much dope or not enough, im not sure which.
<Diablo-D3> and if he survives, I can snmp manage his wheelchair
<cef> Diablo-D3: actually classic bofh would be putting the load on the roof so the elevator looks emtry, and just letting the boss walk in there without a shove *grin*
<Diablo-D3> cef: hrm
<pepsi> i installed kubuntu
<Diablo-D3> but then I couldnt have the obvious lead up
<pepsi> i looked at kde
<pepsi> then i came back to gnome
<pepsi> and my fonts are all borked
<pepsi> antialiasing doesnt work
<Diablo-D3> cef: I wouldnt have to literally shove him in there
<cef> Diablo-D3: heh
<Diablo-D3> I could order like 100000000000000000000000 blank cds
<sabmoc|zombie> pepsi, you have to turn it on again (i think)
<Diablo-D3> or 2 ibm mainframes
<pepsi> sabmoc|zombie, i tried
<jdub> mirak: that's fine; whenever it happens, click on the report to developers button. that sends a backtrace.
<pepsi> it doesnt want to budge
<Diablo-D3> and say it was an ordering glitch, but the ups guy needs his permission to send the stuff back
<cef> 2? sheesh half of one should be enough
<Diablo-D3> and the ups guy is on the ground floor
<sabmoc|zombie> pepsi, hmm.. most unfortunate. :(
<jdub> pepsi: there are some defaults issues, it seems. chat to #kubuntu.
<Diablo-D3> cef: they arent that big anymore
<Diablo-D3> havent you seen the commercials/
<jdub> mirak: it's doubly useful if you install nautilus-dbg
<Diablo-D3> they're just tall racks now that are just missing the HAL eye
<sabmoc|zombie> is pan a good news reader?
<jdub> mirak: that provides more information for the backtrace
<cef> Diablo-D3: true.. but why spend the money on a new system? *grin*
<Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: try kmail and thunderbird
<sabmoc|zombie> I feel like reading some news.
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, eww
<jdub> mirak: if nautilus crashes that regularly for you, then perhaps you use it very differently to most other people, so providing that feedback will help greatly
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, have you tried pan?
<Diablo-D3> cef: true, that might cut into my budget
<Diablo-D3> cef: which I must avoid at all costs
<mirak> ok I will try that jdub
<SeeleyUSMC> I think I'll just stay up all night/morning...to early to go to bed now.  its 2:30
<hippyhuffinpaint> wow its 4:30 here and im just thinking about bed
<Diablo-D3> cef: though, I _do_ have the secret nude photos of my boss's boss with his secretary....
<sabmoc|zombie> Im surprised how little seems to crash on Ubuntu, I wonder if it is just a sign of software maturity, or package mantainer skill, or both.
<garrut> it's 11:30 here and i just got out of bed :)
<sabmoc|zombie> garrut, am or pm?
<cef> Diablo-D3: heh.. they must come in handy
* Diablo-D3 hasnt read bofh for years
<garrut> am
<sabmoc|zombie> garrut, pfft
<Diablo-D3> I should go read the archive again
<garrut> hehe
<sabmoc|zombie> garrut, rookie
<jdub> guys, off-topic discussion elsewhere please
<cef> Diablo-D3: the new stuff isn't too bad.. he's churning out a new story almost once a week
<mirak> I have a question about sources kernel. When I install kernell tree, I got /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/  . Now the kernel is 2.6.10-5 . How can I know what version are the sources ? are the sources exactly the one of 2.6.10-5 ? I don't get how it works
<sabmoc|zombie> garrut, now if it was 11pm and your just getting out of bed, thats a  much more interesting story.
<Diablo-D3> hahahaha goddamnit!
<Diablo-D3> I downloaded the wrong iso
<sabmoc|zombie> hahah
<Diablo-D3> this is the debian new installer one
<memcmeme> LOL
<Diablo-D3> which looks quite familiar
<Diablo-D3> *cough*ubuntu's installer*cough*
<thesill> hello my ubuntu friends......
<memcmeme> hello thesill?
<Diablo-D3> lets see if it works
<thesill> Is ther any known issues w the wartu torrent???
<thesill> hello memcmeme
<sabmoc|zombie> thesill, hi
<thesill> hello
<Diablo-D3> oh please oh please oh please oh please work >_<
<sabmoc|zombie> hrmmmphfff.. braAAINZZ!!!
<sabmoc|zombie> munch munch munch
<thesill> ohh, sorry the hoary,
<jbm__> anyone here know how i can install the clisp-dev package onto warty? I see its available in hoary universe but im not interested in upgrading distro for this.
<Diablo-D3> gah
<thesill> I have downloaded the Hoary relaesa from bittorent protocoll, and my installation stops "corrupt ubuntu keyring"
<ulisse> hi channel
<Diablo-D3> that failed
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, so it is not available in the warty universe? only hoary
<Diablo-D3> apparently they dont put ppp on debian discs anymore
<sabmoc|zombie> ulisse, hello
<Diablo-D3> er, I mean the small ones
<ulisse> anyone runs hoary wit a Radeon Mobility 9600?
<jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, not that i can find, have searched with synaptic and its not there
<Diablo-D3> whahaha
<Diablo-D3> this box has a 4.3 gig hd
<ahijah> can someone wlk me through whats on this page in later today? ( http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ )
<jbm__> can i temporarily switch my respositories to hoary to install a package then switch back to warty without upgrading distro you think?
<Rattboi> which package?
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, have you tried downloading the clisp.debs and just manually installing them?
<Rattboi> it might be safer to just compile it
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, the debs from hoary
<jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes i have the source for the package and all aswell, but there is many dependancies and i dont want to do them all one by one like that if it can be helped
<thesill> ohoy, sailors.... any known issues w the hoary bittorent, burning iso w nero??
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, hmm.. thats unfortunate :(
<thesill> I do not seem to get through installation...
<sabmoc|zombie> thesill, nope
<sabmoc|zombie> thesill, have you tried burning again at a lower speed, or perhaps redownloading the iso?
<jbm__> maybe it time to hoary up then i guess, my only concern is xorg screweing up my dual monitor configuration which is nice now in xfree... think it will work?
<thesill> sabmoc|zombie: bummer... i have tried to reload the iso and am burnig x8 again, its the slowest my burner can, letss e what results i get
<thesill> +s
<optika> jbm__: I'm doing dual-head on an nvidia card under hoary no prob ;)
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, I heard someone talking about how happy they were there dual monitor setup worked, just earlier today. but who knows, but have a little faith.. ubuntu is pretty uber.
<garrut> me too
<jbm__> ya i wish i had nvidia, but this ATI stuff was such a hassle to get running in every distro i have tried... oh well its the weekend i guess ill give it a try. thanks!
<ahijah> except when it comes to wireless usb network adapters
<ahijah> can't get mine working
<vixus> Hello... how do I install a scanner on Ubuntu? (It has been detected in device manager)
<Dosnowin> Hi
<Dosnowin> everyone
<Fl-i-nT> hey all
<ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
<Dosnowin> Is there someone oline to help me ?
<Fl-i-nT> How are you all doing this fine morning?
<Dosnowin> fine thank U
<Fl-i-nT> Dosnowin, good good
<Dosnowin> I have a Problem using 5.04 X64
<ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
<memcmeme> is there a limewire DEB?
<Fl-i-nT> RTFM is really really diffecult :(
<Dosnowin> It tells me " Fail to initialize HAL"
<ahijah> if i knew how to write kernels i would fix it but i can't grrrrrr
<Dosnowin> the LIVECD 64 Doesn t
<memcmeme> or can someone reccomend a really good p2p
<memcmeme> that is not amule
<memcmeme> I hate amule
<sabmoc|zombie> memcmeme, dont need one, just download the bin from limewire.com
<ahijah> bittorrent is a good p2p
<memcmeme> where isthat?
<memcmeme> I did not see that
<sandwitch> matrox cart Dosnowin ?
<memcmeme> I only saw a rpm
<SeeleyUSMC> memcmeme: I read up on limewire for ubuntu somewhere
<Diablo-D3> guh
<Dosnowin> matrox cart ?
<Diablo-D3> limewire sucks
<ahijah> BEARSHARE
<Diablo-D3> there are better gnutella clients out there
<Dosnowin> i Have an ATI M 10
<sandwitch> your graphics cart
<sabmoc|zombie> oh right! um.. you can use alient to turn the rpm to a deb, thats what I did and it works fine
<memcmeme> Diablo-D3 pray tell
<sandwitch> ok sorry dunno then
* SeeleyUSMC acts like he didn't hear limewire get dissed
<memcmeme> I am all ears Diablo-D3
<Diablo-D3> gtk-gnutella ;)
<ahijah> device manager sux... it only tells you that something is there.. you cant atchually manage your devices with it
<Dosnowin> thnaks anyway
<SeeleyUSMC> ahijah: lol
<Dosnowin> Someone know this problem ?
<sabmoc|zombie> what is emule? I've heard people rave about it.
<ahijah> seelyUSMC:lol
<Dosnowin> LIVECD 64 OK - INSTALL 64 - Fail to initialize Hal so no USB support
<sandwitch> acpi mabe ?
<sandwitch> did you start with acpi on or off ?
<jdub> ahijah: it doesn't suck, it's just misnamed.
<_d4vid> hi all
<Fl-i-nT> _d4vid, hi
<buz> how can i figure out what color depth my display uses? color gradients seem awfully bad...
<Dosnowin> sandswitch how can i know, i ran the installation without changing anything
<memcmeme> ok
<sandwitch> there are boot-options when you start the install cd i guess
<memcmeme> I don't like that one at all
<memcmeme> does anyone know where I can find the Limewire.bin
<memcmeme> I doesn't seem to be on the limewire page anymore :(
<sabmoc|zombie> membreya, why dont you just convert the most recent rpm to a deb with alien?
<Diablo-D3> limewire is full of spyware anyhow
<garrut> anyone here use valknut?
<Dosnowin> Isnt it curious LiveCD run perfectly instead InstallCD Fail to initalize HAL
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, what makes you say that?
<thesill> same problem again..... DeBootstrap error: Couldn't retreive ubuntu keyring.... second download, third CD-R.
<Diablo-D3> sabmoc|zombie: its recognized as spyware now
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, its opensource, thats sad if its true.
<Dosnowin> Everything work exept USB support
<Funraiser> OMG installing nerolinux was so easy :-)
<sabmoc|zombie> Diablo-D3, recognized by who?
<jbm__> whats plugged into your USB?
<Diablo-D3> all the major spyware lists
<sabmoc|zombie> Funraiser, cool :)
<cef> Dosnowin: that's because the install and livecd's aren't built at the same time, or using the same mechanism
<vixus> Can anyone help me install my scanner?
<Dosnowin> USB KEY
<Dosnowin> or Hard Disk
<Dosnowin> None is functionnal
<Dosnowin> so what can i do cef ?
<Diablo-D3> night all
<Dosnowin> good night
<vixus> Is there no xine for hoary?!!
<memcmeme> does anyone know where I can find the debian friendly Limewire?
<vixus> oh, gxine. =D
<jbm__> memcmeme, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
<vixus> Can anyone help me install my scanner?
<thesill> please help me.... I have the same problem again w my install. DeBootstrap error: Couldn't retreive ubuntu keyring....  and this is my second download,  and third third CD-R.
<Rattboi> vixus: no
<Rattboi> bwahahaha!
<Rattboi> j/k, but I can't help myself
<vixus> Hmm.
<vixus> I can't scan in my nice sexay art then =(
<spiral> hi
<cef> thesill: can you do an md5sum on your cd image?
<thesill> cef: I think so...
<cef> thesill: which image did you download?
<vixus> Damn, apparently my scanner is unsupported by SANE. :(
<thesill> hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
<thesill> cef: hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
<cef> ahh the preview.. there is a newer image around.. Array7..
<vixus> That sucks. Ah well.
<thesill> cef: ok, any tips on how I can get my hands on that?
<vixus> How do I install DVD support on hoary?
<Dosnowin> Cef So what can i do for my problem ?
<vixus> libdvdcss2 is not there.
<sabmoc|zombie> vixus, yes it is
<Fl-i-nT> Who here is reading or has read the howtos.linux.com.......
<cef> Dosnowin: no idea, sorry
<thesill> cef: I am burning x8, its the slowest my burner can do i nero...
<SeeleyUSMC> Yeah I can't watch a movie on ubuntu
<sabmoc|zombie> vixus, you need to install the universe repository in your apt sources.list
<sabmoc|zombie> I tell people this about 10 million times a day.
<vixus> sabmoc|zombie: I think I have... let me see.
<jbm__> vixus, http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
<memcmeme> I really need a user friendly P2P any suggestions?
<vixus> sabmoc|zombie, I have universe already...
<sabmoc|zombie> vixus, what about multiverse
<vixus> sabmoc|zombie: Hmm, I don't think so.
<cef> thesill: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/5.04/array-7/
<sabmoc|zombie> join me on #flood ill show you what you need.
<memcmeme> jbm__ Thanks :)
<Dosnowin> Thank you cef
<jbm__> memcmeme, ;)
<sabmoc|zombie> vixus, here just follow this http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#pan
<ahijah> i'm dumb.. how do i use modprobe atml?
<zzyber> i had big troubles yesterday and i really need help. Suddenly i got bad sectors in my reiserfs partition and my ubuntu didnt boot. I tried everything but nothing worked, at last i did a reinstall and for some reason it worked, strange when non of utils badblock, reiserfsck did work. Now i want to check if my disk is in shape to have as primary and i need some tool to do a blockscan and i prefer to se it live like in windows scandisk, wha
<zzyber> t can i do?
<thesill> cef: my previous iso checksum 0f04de0a00e922cda2e6c49c37eceb7f  , and the array-7 on its way down....
<Fl-i-nT> Why does apt.get not work for me?
<Funraiser> something weird happen to my media playerS: I used to have realplayer, totem, xmms and xine all working perfectly. Then I installed VLCplayer and suddenly none of my players work except xine...(?)
<Fl-i-nT> or am i spelling it wrong?
<Fl-i-nT> oh its apt-get silly meh lol
<Dosnowin> Is There anyway to install he LiveCD on my harddisk ?
<vixus> Do I need to have hoary-security multiverse in my repos list?
<Fl-i-nT> Dosnowin, i dont think that is possible
<cef> thesill: that's the correct md5sum.. hrm
<thesill> cef: I just relized that....
<Funraiser> somebody knows what could be the problem with all of my media players not working? (except xine)
<Fl-i-nT> Ok when  i did apt-get update in normal terminal it said Unable to lock the list directory does this mean i have to do apt-get commands in root?
<mongrelic> hey I have a problem with my router/firewall/adsl modem. I can't seem to update. I've been searching for firewall rules but nothing works.
<optika> Fl-i-nT: yes, you'll need to do almost any apt-get commands as root
<thesill> cef.... burning in x8, could it be the problem?
<jbm__> Funraiser, have you installed the necessary codecs to play your files?
<Fl-i-nT> optika, thankx
<optika> Fl-i-nT: anything that needs to modify "the system" needs to be done as root.
<thesill> cef: is there any bootdisc/netinstall availeble?
<cef> thesill: don't think so.. perhaps it's just the burner
<sebastian> hello
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, do you have the dvd playback codec installed?
<thesill> cef: spanking new DVDx16 duallayer
<cef> thesill: not that I'm aware of
<Funraiser> jbm__ everything worked fine before i installed a new player called VLC
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, oh nevermind, forgot your on warty
<sebastian> may someone help me with ubuntu?
<jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes
<Fl-i-nT> optika, thankx ill keep that in the back of my head hehe thanks it worked
<jbm__> let you know in 2 mins if it works in hoary ;)
<sebastian> I cannot load the daemon powernowd and my latop became really noisy
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, did you get it from deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ?
<sebastian> no
<Fl-i-nT> optika, if i wanted to update a certain package would it be apt-get upgrade mozila-firefox
<SeeleyUSMC> anyone know why a usb flash card that automounted earlier won't auto mount after a restart?
<sebastian> I got it with hoary
<Funraiser> jbm__ i had realplayer, xmms, totem and xine all working perfectly, then i installed a new player called VLC and then none of my players work except xine...
<optika> Fl-i-nT: I think so, yes. I don't use apt-get to update stuff, I use synaptic or aptitude.
<jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, yes thats the repository i got it from i believe
<sabmoc|zombie> jbm__, it works, im just wondering if there is a hoary source, I installed it from the warty source and it worked. But I didnt realize at the time I was use the warty pkgs
<sebastian> does someone has the same problem?
<Fl-i-nT> optika, what do i have to do in synapic i used it yesterday to get universe but apart from that i am null
<Funraiser> jbm__ they seem to read the file, but not sound is heard
<Fl-i-nT> optika, let me have a go then if i get nowhere ill ask you is that alright?
<cef> 'apt-get install package' will install the latest version of a package, unless that latest version is installed
<optika> Fl-i-nT: I don't have synaptic in front of me, so I can't give you exact instructions, but there is a list of upgradeable packages under the "custom filters" option
<optika> Fl-i-nT: you just need to right click on it and choose the "upgrade" option
<jbm__> Funraiser, sorry i dont know anything about VLC
<cef> Fl-i-nT: and to update the list of packages, use 'apt-get update'
<optika> Fl-i-nT: or press <ctrl>f (or use the menus) to find a specific package
<vixus> I'm trying to follow the ubuntuguide for creating a symlink to /dev/dvd... but the line I need to find isn't there.
<vixus> BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd[a-z] ", PROGRAM="/etc/udev/cdsymlinks.sh %k", SYMLINK="%c{1} %c{2}" <-- not in udev.rules
<Fl-i-nT> cef, and optika thankx ill give it a go
<vixus> brb
<Funraiser> jbm__ thx anyway
<Fl-i-nT> optika, ok i went to settings>filters>Upgradable <--- out of a list so now?
<jbm__> sabmoc|zombie, i dont believe there is any difference between libdvdcss2 for either version of ubuntu, I can find no other place to get it other than nerim.net for either
<sandwitch> Funraiser, vlc you said ?
<Funraiser> yes
<optika> Fl-i-nT: as I said, just right click on the packages you want to upgrade, and choose the upgrade option from the menu.
<sandwitch> Funraiser, you have the alsa plugin installed ?
<tuppa> daniels: ping
<sandwitch> Funraiser, and why not use gstreamer ?
<Funraiser> dunno, where can i check this again?
<memcmeme> How do you delete a file on the command line, what is the arguement?
<Fl-i-nT> optika, hehe sorry i didnt realize i have the latest version so the option to upgrade wasnt there but yeah thanks anyway now i know how to do it for the future
<Funraiser> xine works fine, it's just that realplayer, xmms, totem stopped working since i installed VLC
<sandwitch> Funraiser, dpkg -l \* | grep vlc-plugin-alsa
<sandwitch> Funraiser, oe sounds more like driver
<jbm__> Funraiser, when you installed vlc did you also install the esd plugin: apt-get install vlc-plugin-esd
<Funraiser> dunno
<Funraiser> :-)
<sandwitch> maybe alsa is gone
<Funraiser> sandwitch but see xine works fine
<memcmeme> anythoughts I need to delete something
<sandwitch> ok
<daniels> tuppa: pong
<thesill> cef: the array-7 iso down and w cortrect checksum.. I will give it a try w another burner.
<jbm__> Funraiser, this thread discussed installing VLC maybe it can help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20588
<sandwitch> and which soundriver does xine uses ?
<cef> thesill: good luck
<Funraiser> i don't want VLC i would just like to have realplayer xmms and totem to work back...:-(
<thesill> caf: also, whats the diffrences between those two, the "array-7" and the hoary on the ubuntu fist page?
<thesill> cef:thanks
<Funraiser> sandwitch how can i check that?
<sandwitch> euh think in the xine settings dialog Funraiser
<ahijah> i'm trying to patch a file but it says my patch input is garbage.. what does that mean?
<Pointwood> hi, what program can I use to batch resize a lot of pics?
<sandwitch> Funraiser, you could also reinstall xmms and obsere what happends
<sandwitch> *observe
<Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
<thesill> cef: going offline now, the ubuntu machin will be my gateway/router/dhcp server, thanks for the help.
<ahijah> i'm using ( gzip -cd (place my file is) | patch -p1
<ahijah> i'm trying to patch a file but it says my patch input is garbage.. what does that mean?
<ahijah> i'm using ( gzip -cd (place my file is) | patch -p1
<Funraiser> sandwitch u are french?
<tuppa> daniels: has your thinkpad x40 PM packages been merged into main acpi packages?
<Fl-i-nT> Does anyone here use firebird?
<daniels> tuppa: yeah
<sandwitch> Funraiser, no dutch :)
<Funraiser> k
<tuppa> daniels: ahhh, that explains why you've removed it ;)
* ahijah feels ignored
<ahijah> ok now i know i'm being ignored
<ahijah> ...
<sandwitch> Funraiser, but i think that's you easy guess reinstall xmms so all dependencies come in place
<jintxo> ahijah, if your patch is a single file gzipped, you should probably zcat file.gz  | patch -p1 instead of gzip -c
<ahijah> k
<sandwitch> ahijah, gzip -cd patchXX.gz | patch -p0 .bz2 and stop crying :P
<ahijah> i'll try
<Funraiser> do i have to uninstall it first?
<sandwitch> Funraiser, nope
<Funraiser> k i'll try
<sandwitch> good luck
<sandwitch> ahijah, sorry forget about the .bz2 part :)
<ahijah> no luck with changing the p#
<Funraiser> sandwitch do i need to reboot?
<sandwitch> nope Funraiser
<Funraiser> i mean after reinstallation
<sandwitch> whereis your source ahijah
<ahijah> cdrom
<sandwitch> Funraiser, nope
<sandwitch> how can you patch a file on cd ?
<sandwitch> a cd is read only :)
<ahijah> no the patch is on the cd.. the file i'm patching is the kernal
<Funraiser> nope doensn't work, it says another program is probably blocking the sound card
<Funraiser> i bet it's VLC
<ahijah> brb...
<sandwitch> put the patch next to the toplevel kernel source
<sandwitch> then use -p0
<sandwitch> if you put it in the toplevel dir you use -p1
<sandwitch> apt-get remove --purge vlc
<Fl-i-nT> Is anybody here successful with Gdesklets?
<sandwitch> and its gone :0
<sandwitch> gotta go later ladies and gents
* sandwitch is away: gone
<Fl-i-nT> sandwitch, bye bye
<Funraiser> Fl-i-n-T i'm not so far
<ahijah> ok not it's dont saying stuff about garbage... not it says the file isn't a gzip file
<ahijah> grrr
<Fl-i-nT> Fl-i-nT have you got the requirements?
<ahijah> any "not" i type change to now lol
* ahijah is away: skull shaging his computer
<jnoreiko> hi. stupid question.... but how do I use gnome without a mouse? got it booted on an ancient pentium but the mouse won't work
<ahijah> use the keyboard maybe
<ahijah> lol just messing
<jnoreiko> yeah... but a starting point would be good, ie how do I access the menus?
<jnoreiko> :)
<ahijah> ctrl button
<ahijah> any luck
<ahijah> alt+f
<ahijah> maybe
<jbm__> jnoreiko, cntr-alt + F2 will take you to a terminal screen and there you can do everything you need untill you geta mouse
<jbm__> jnoreiko, cntr-alt + F7 will breing you back to gnome b.t.w.
* ahijah hides in the noob corner
* jnoreiko joins ahijah
<Fl-i-nT> Funriaser, have you got th requirments for Gdesklets?
* ahijah gets out the redhat coloring book
<bij> hi@all....
<mercurus> hmm ... I've got a seg fault on openoffice in Warty ... anyone able to assist ?
<jdub> jnoreiko: alt-f1
<jdub> jnoreiko: that'll pop down the applications menu
<jnoreiko> thanks. I'm in a terminal screen now, and it soooo slow it'll take me a while to get back to the desktop
<mercurus> while it was working last night, today it is segfaulting on startup
<jnoreiko> pentium 133 BTW
<mercurus> possible changes include: ODBC-related packages (which I've now purged), nVidia binary drivers and configuration for my SB Audigy2 Value ...
<jintxo> mercurus, no idea what it could be, but when a program segfaults on me for no apparentreason I usually run "strace -o /tmp/strace.out <application_name>" and then take a look at the strace.out file (towards the end) to see what was going on when it was sent a sig 11
<mercurus> jintxo: I've tried running it through gdb (completely unexpertly) using the instructions from the openoffice(1) manpage
<mercurus> brb
<mongrelic> hello again. I've been trying to use either apt-get and synaptic to update, but my external router/modem/firewall just doesn't let me do it. does any one know the port forwarding rules to use in this case?
<jintxo> the gdb output could be a bit too cryptic, never really used it myself, run it under strace, it might tell you exactly why its segfaulting, it might not, but it's definitely worth a look
<mercurus> jintxo: aye, just looking for the binary name
<ogra> mongrelic, both use http
<ogra> mongrelic, so if youre able to see websites, its not caused by your router
<mongrelic> hummm, so what is it?
<mongrelic> I'm really puzzled
* ahijah tried to patch file ( #gzip -cd /home/ubuntu/desktop/patch-atmel_reset.gz | patch -p(0-9) and i get the responce that it's not a gzip file...
<Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
<mongrelic> I had previous FC3 problems of the same sort. but before I had the router I had a speedtouch 330 and everything was ok with synaptic
<teleyinex> hi
* ahijah tried to patch file ( #gzip -cd /home/ubuntu/desktop/patch-atmel_reset.gz | patch -p(0-9) and i get the responce that it's not a gzip file... whats going on?
<tux> hello. How can I activate the cups administration by web? That is, I want to add printers, configure them, ... by web: http://localhost:631
<jintxo> ahijah, so is it a gzip file? run "file <filename>" on it...
<teleyinex> im in hoary and im seeing problems with dbus-1 and gnome2.10
<ahijah> k
<teleyinex> i have to restart dbus once i have booted up
<teleyinex> why?
<teleyinex> are there any known bug?
<SirFred> Hi.
<ahijah> it says it's an executable text file
<SirFred> Just a curiosity about the mouse cursor theme in ubuntu.
<mercurus> jintxo: well, I confess I don't find strace any less confusing that gdb :P BUT ... the last large block of errors was nvidia related ...
<mercurus> I'll sort that particular mess out I think ...
<SirFred> Some time ago, my hoary losed the white cursors and never went back again. Is this premeditated or just a bug?
<jintxo> ahijah, so it's not a gzip file.. you can't uncompress it with gzip then, take a look at it (with vi or cat) if it loks like a patch file, try using it without gzipping it first
<SirFred> Perhaps I'm missing some package to install?
<mercurus> SirFred: have you tried to reset the cursor images from the Computer -> Desktop Preferences menus ?
<jintxo> ahijah, like patch -p# < filename.whatever
<SirFred> No, I didn't even know that menu.
<loaded> hello all
<mercurus> SirFred: have a look in there, I don't know if there was a shift from white-pngs to black-pngs for mouse cursors ...
<loaded> need help with installing tar.gz's if anyone can help me
<jintxo> mercurus, maybe openoffice depends on glx and everything being OK? can you run, for example, glxgears?
<llama32> hello
<llama32> how much disk space approcimately does it take to install ubuntu?
<mercurus> jintxo: bingo. Segfault !
<SirFred> mercurus: I'm not able to find that menu (I've an spanish localized ubuntu). What's the english exact name?
<llama32> i tried on about a 1.7gb partition and it ran out of space...
<apokryphos> llama32: it all depends on how much you're looking to install
<jintxo> mercurus, that's your problem. Are you using the drivers in ubuntu or downloaded yourself from nvidia.com?
<mercurus> mental note to self: don't install nVidia binaries and then install the nvidia-glx package.
<SirFred> mercurus: Mouse preferences didn't have any reference to cursors.
<mercurus> SirFred: aye, do a search for pointer.png or similar ...
<apokryphos> llama32: I think around 2gb is the minimum for the root partition.
<bij> i've installed a fresh array 7 release of hoary... i'm new to ubuntu... i've used kanotix before.... how is the root mode handled in ubuntu... when i write down "su" and then enter my normal password i cannot go into the rootshell
<jintxo> mercurus, exactly, that happened to me in the past, the nvidia-glx package put a startup script in /etc/init.d and it was messing up my GLX setup, took me a while to figure out :-p
<bij> what am i doing wrong???
<mercurus> SirFred: if it did change, it would have been part of a gnome-themes update or similar
<loaded> need to install mplayer... anyone have any feedback on the install/operation?
<teleyinex> no one has my problem?
<SirFred> mercurus: Those cursors were part of a gnome theme, I remember.
<apokryphos> loaded: did you follow the instructions as suggested on the site?
<jintxo> bij, if you want a root shell run "sudo su"
<SirFred> mercurus: But they went away some time ago. They never come back, afaik
<mercurus> jinxto: aye, I'll uninstall the nVidia sourced binary and re-install nvidia-glx
<loaded> apokryphos i don't understand what they mean, and cannot run anything unless under root login.  is this normal?
<apokryphos> loaded: no
<bij> oki i'll test it
<jintxo> bij, by default root has no password and can't log in, everything is handled via "sudo" unless you set a password for root, then you can log in
<apokryphos> loaded: on what who means?
<ahijah> grrr
<mercurus> back in a bit :)
<ikaro> mojn
* Spooks salutes
<loaded> what the website instructions for mplayer mean, i can tar filename.tar.gz but don't know where to go from there...
<apokryphos> loaded: you shouldn't *ever* have to use root in Ubuntu. That's the whole point of sudo.
* Spooks stands at ease
<loaded> i'm used to .exe files and haven't quite found the equivelant.
<bij> jintxo, how do i set the password?
<thesill> cef: got pass that problem now, thanks .... *foood*
<apokryphos> loaded: that's now what you have to do here... it's even simpler. You can use apt. Are you familiar with it?
<loaded> i know apt-get update and that's about it. ! Sorry
<jintxo> bij, don't do it unless youreally want to, but anyway, if you do, just run "sudo passwd root". the usual is just to use sudo for everything
<apokryphos> loaded: no worries; hold on, I'll query and explain
<loaded> thank you
<bij> jintxo, do you think that this is not necessary...?
<_Demian_> can anyone help me with this http://www.pastebin.com/260543
<_Demian_> ?
<loaded> Is sudo just a temporary root?
<jintxo> bij I don't have my root account enabled, no need to, you can do as you please but I would leave it disabled unless I had a good reason
<username> I'm going through the 'Music Player' application. In the 'radio stations' list, pretty much none of them work at all.
<Fl-i-nT> Anyone got STATERBAR for gdesklets?
<DragoraN> hi
<DragoraN> how to exclude some packages from apt when doing upgrade.. ?
<Fl-i-nT> Select one by one
<DragoraN> no..
<DragoraN> iam doing apt-get dist-upgrade
<username> some of them seem to be not available, others seem to be available but say "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
<username> So basically, the radio in music player simply doesn't work.
<bij> jintxo, ok i'll leave it as it is.... another question about the ubuntu console: if i write "apt-get install" and press the  <TAB>Button... no proposals are given... in kanotix it listet me all the possibilities... how can i change this?
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell loaded ubusudo
<Pyre> loaded: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<jintxo> bij, no idea. I just use apt-cache search to find out what I want to install, and then use apt-get install when I know what I want
<bij> ok i'll find the solution... if i got it should i let you know?
<jintxo> me? no, not really :-p thanks though
<loaded> thank you apokryphos...
<bij> jintxo, ok and i thank you for your help...
<loaded> so you can use apt- to download more than just updates?
<apokryphos> bij: I'd be interested in knowing the "solution" if you find it. :)
<apokryphos> loaded: of course. Just enable the repositories in your sources.list
<apokryphos> loaded: the disabled ones are "commented out" with a #
<bij> apokryphos, i knew how to do this... it's been a while but i had that problem before...
<apokryphos> right
<loaded> sorry apokryphos, i'm really new.... where do i find sources.list?
<apokryphos> loaded: /etc/apt
* ahijah asks what cvs is
<apokryphos> ahijah: Google :)
<ahijah> lol
<ahijah> very funny
<apokryphos> ahijah: I'm serious. :) Cvs is a way of allowing developers to all work on the same code.
<ahijah> current version system
<_Demian_> anyone interested in a mind braker?
<_Demian_> http://www.pastebin.com/260543
<_Demian_> realy
<_Demian_> :)
<loaded> i see home, desktop, filesystem and network but no etc/apt
<apokryphos> loaded: the "/" is important
<apokryphos> loaded: in terminal type "cd /etc/apt" then "ls"
<loaded> found it
<Spooks> Seems like the "coolkid" thing to do, so...
<Myrtti> _Demian_: thanks for the reminder, I need to get my nvidia drivers
<_Demian_> Myrtti, np but can you help me out?
<loaded> okay, typed ls, it says
<loaded> apt.conf.d sources.list
<Myrtti> _Demian_: not really, sorry
<loaded> (username)@ubuntu: /etc/apt #
<_Demian_> Myrtti, too bad :)
<_Demian_> Myrtti, thnx anyway
<Myrtti> _Demian_: though I must wonder about those MHz's
<_Demian_> Myrtti, I'm beond wondering
<Myrtti> _Demian_: show me your xorg.conf at pastebin
<_Demian_> Myrtti, I'm at agitated
<Spooks> Anyone know if there's a minimum refresh rate I can set?
<username> Am I right in ascertaining that 'Music Player' doesn't actually play mp3s either?
<_Demian_> Myrtti, http://www.pastebin.com/260546
<Chand> hi
<Spooks> hey Chand
<reon> Spooks, that depends on your monitor if that is what you are talking about
<Myrtti> username: not if you don't get the needed extras
<Chand> how can I enable inotify on latest hoary kernels
<jintxo> username, it plays mp3s, you just have to have the right gstreamer-plugins installed
<Spooks> Yeah reon
<username> Myrtti, that's a bit stupid then. Why can't it do useful things by default? What does it actually do then?
<motuline> Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter as user root: Childd terminated with 1 status
<Spooks> With windows I could use 1024x768 res, but only when I used 43Hz interlaced
<motuline> why is that?
<reon> Spooks, you need to get the specs for your monitor and maybe edit the xorg.conf file
<Spooks> I was just wondering if there's an equivalent
<reon> Spooks, what monitor do you have ?
<daniels> Myrtti: unfortunately, we cannot distribute MP3 support by default -- it is illegal and would get us sued into oblivion
<Spooks> An old Samatron
<Myrtti> daniels: really?!!!?! yes, I know.
<reon> hey daniels is here, howzit
<Myrtti> mmmm chocolate easter eggs
<reon> Spooks, they have webiste or you have a manual ?
<Spooks> Neither, afaik
<Myrtti> _Demian_: sorry, I have no idea how to help you
<_Demian_> Myrtti, cool thnx for the effort anyway
<Spooks> Imma google-ate it
<reon> Spooks, hmm you are gonna have to play around, what were the max settings it worked at in windows ?
<username> bloody hell - it doesn't even play any of my iTunes music either. What a load of useless toss.
<Spooks> max settings in windows were 1024x768 at 43Hz Interlaced
<daniels> Myrtti: er, was pointed at the right person, sorry
<daniels> username: see above
<Spooks> Or 800x600 at 75Hz
<daniels> reon: not bad thanks; you?
<username> you can drag and drop anything you like to 'Music player' - it ignores everything. It seems to have no use whatsoever.
<Spooks> PS. I know I need a new monitor.
<Spooks>  :D
<_Demian_> username, try xmms
<username> ok
<_Demian_> username, you can drag and drop anything you want in there
<reon> good, can see you are confused ;) pm'ed you a while back about nvidia support, username mips
<username> so it works then?
<Myrtti> username: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<_Demian_> username, as long as it is music :)
<reon> Spooks, that is probably a good idea, they are dirt cheap these days
* jintxo likes beep-media-player, xmms, with gtk2
<apokryphos> daniels: would you have any idea why I would only get sound-output from two speakers rather than all?
<username> if it plays my iTunes music, I'm happy. If it plays mp3 too, that's a bonus
<Spooks> True true
<apokryphos> daniels: thought Linux might not like 'em, but seemed to work reasonably well on other distros.
<Spooks> I was just interested to see if it was possible
<username> xmms needs installing does it?
<_Demian_> username, just use synaptic
<Myrtti> username: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<username> forget it
<zzyber> i had big troubles yesterday and i really need help. Suddenly i got bad sectors in my reiserfs partition and my ubuntu didnt boot. I tried everything but nothing worked, at last i did a reinstall and for some reason it worked, strange when non of utils badblock, reiserfsck did work. Now i want to check if my disk is in shape to have as primary and i need some tool to do a blockscan and i prefer to se it live like in windows scandisk, wha
<zzyber> t can i do?
<_Demian_> username, and then use find xmms
<username> no, I'll use my ibook
<_Demian_> hehehe
<_Demian_> also an option
<username> you know, that computer that has software that works
<apokryphos> username: you can also use amaroK, which I definitely recommend.
<DragoraN> please help
<Spooks> Someone has his pants in a twist
<Spooks> or her
<Snarfy> lol
<daniels> apokryphos: no, sorry
<reon> %%$%,  The Application "gnome-volume-manager" has quit unexpectedly.
<DragoraN> i get this error: http://www.pastebin.com/260547
<apokryphos> daniels: ok, thanks anyhow.
<tombs> hi ppl
<Spooks> Ooh. What's the filepath to xorg.conf please? I'm still getting used to the filesystem
<Snarfy> DragoraN,  did you try apt-get -f install ?
<DragoraN> Snarfy: yes.. prints the same
<dtudosie> hi all
<Myrtti> Spooks: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<Spooks> kk, ty
<azad> Hallo
<dtudosie> anydoby experienced crashes in openoffice 2 when opening the help ?
<jintxo> zzyber, there's a program called "badblocks" but I don't know if you can run it on a reiser filesystem...
<Spooks> It's not there. I take it that means I haven't got a certain something installed?
<apokryphos> Spooks: are you on warty?
<DragoraN> Snarfy: : can u help me?
<Spooks> Yup
<apokryphos> Spooks: then it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
<Spooks> Aha
<Spooks> ty
<apokryphos> not xorg.. you've got xfree.
<Snarfy> DragoraN,  looking, hold on
<Spooks> Excuse my poor windows orientated mind
<DragoraN> Snarfy: thx..
<reon> how can I check my gfx card performance ?
<apokryphos> Spooks: hehe. No problem. :D
<Spooks>  :>
<Snarfy> DragoraN,  i don't use kde but is it an option to remove kdebase-data and after that apt-get install kmail ?
<jintxo> reon, fast chek is to sun glxgears from a terminal and see what fps you get
<azad> i think i've got an old "sources.list".. because always when i look for something using apt-cache search, i only find old versions.. it seems
<zzyber> jintxo, i can use it with reiserfsck and -B but im looking for other solution if there is one?
<DragoraN> Snarfy: iam doing apt-get dist-upgrade...
<azad> i could paste the list to anyone, who wants to help me, too, it isn't too long
<reon> jintxo, sun glxgears  ?
<apokryphos> azad: are you on Warty?
<jintxo> zzyber, sorry man ,that's way above me :-p
<jintxo> reon, "run" not "sun", heh
<azad> apokryphos: to be honest i just don't know
<azad> :(
<apokryphos> azad: what does cat /etc/issue give?
<SmokingFire> ok I just had to do modprobe bttv card=X to get my tvcard recognized correctly. But will it be still there after I reboot the machine?
<azad> yah, warty warthog
<apokryphos> azad: then all your packages are going to be dated. Hoary has all the new apps.
<azad> how can i change that?
<reon> jintxo,  3321 frames in 5.0 seconds = 664.200 FPS
<Fl-i-nT> YESSS finally i got the MAC OS enviroment i wanted oh this is a beuti beui i i i tfuuull
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell azad ubuhoary
<Pyre> azad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<Snarfy> DragoraN,  remove kmail (save data) finisch the dist-upgrade and then try to install kmail again
<reon> i take it that is very slow
<az[a] zel> hmm I installed kubuntu-desktop, but I'm a little dissapointed :( KDE is still my main DE (on Mandrake).. but GNOME appears to be most of my attraction to ubuntu, and KDE just didn't have that.. it just felt cluttered and ugly, and i've never felt that way about KDE before
<ruff> hi
<DragoraN> Snarfy: i dont use kmail..
<azad> thanks a lot apokryphos, hope i'll handle it
<ruff> just installed ubuntu 5.04
<ruff> i am trying to get into root
<apokryphos> az[a] zel: sorry to hear that. ;-)
<ruff> i tired sudo passwd root
<reon> 3321 frames in 5.0 seconds = 664.200 FPS  How do I improve the performance ???
<Snarfy> DragoraN,  Unpacking replacement kmail ??
<Fl-i-nT> ruff, isnt it just sudo?
<apokryphos> ruff: Ubuntu uses sudo, not root.
<ruff> but then it askes for a password
<DragoraN> Snarfy: apt-get remove kmail > http://www.pastebin.com/260551
<ruff> ok
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell ruff ubusudo
<Pyre> ruff: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Fl-i-nT> ruff, that would be the password that you have to login as admin
<apokryphos> azad: let us know if you have any problems. :)
<SmokingFire> ruff: I think the first password is the su user password and then it will ask for a unix password and a repeat of that unix password.
<detached> do you know any program that will show me all partitions on my hdd even if they aren't mounted ? (tiny one if possible)
<ruff> ah i see
<ruff> let me try that
<kosmos> fdisk
<SmokingFire> ruff: The unix passwords are the root passwords.
<Dave2|Laptop> Is there anything special you have to do to get OpenGL working on a SiS chip, other than to just specify it on install?
<detached> kosmos: i need a visual program ...
<ruff> yes your right
<ruff> thank you
<kosmos> detached, why?
<SmokingFire> np
<ruff> i was thiking, sudo passwd root...and then set you password
<ruff> anyway all sorted out
<Fl-i-nT> good
<kosmos> is qparted "visiual" enough?
<detached> kosmos:  i've got no reason
<detached> yes
<detached> thanks
<SmokingFire> can anyone tell me if modprode [some device driver]  is saved after a reboot.
<Ribs> SmokingFire: no, it's not
<Ribs> you'll either have to modprobe it again, or add it to autoload
<Fl-i-nT> Ok this happens to me very often why is it on Music player it sometimes jsut freezes
<SmokingFire> Ribs: How can I save it?
<Fl-i-nT> Anybody knwo why or if it happens to them?
<Ribs> SmokingFire: /etc/autoload.d or something
<SmokingFire> etc/modules.conf or something?
<Ribs> I don't have a ubuntu box to hand
<Snarfy> DragoraN,  sorry, no idea ..... apt-get clean, apt-get update and then apt-get -f install
<Ribs> you'll have to root around for it
<netdur> hey, if I "apt-get install kde" will kde add it's apps to Gnome menu?
<az[a] zel> netdur, yes, unfortunately
<Snarfy> DragoraN,  not much else i can tell you, maybe someone else has some ideas
<az[a] zel> netdur, now my gnome is cluttered with KDE crap even though I just wanted to try out KDE 3.4
<SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: what music player?
<apokryphos> ahem
<visor> hi people how you doing? :)
<azad> wow, seems to work :) just edited those "warty" things in the sources.list and now i'm on upgrading
<netdur> az[a] zel, I will not install it then, thank you
<CarlK_> can someone try the rsync listed on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu - I have been getting the error for about a week: http://phpfi.com/54948
<Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, just Applications>Multmedia>Music Player
<caffinated> does anyone know if there were any significant changes to ndiswrapper in hoary?  it worked great in warty, but it doesn't seem to work now.
<SmokingFire> ooh I think thats Rythmnbox Fl-i-nT
<jintxo> SmokingFire, you could always put "bttv" in your /etc/modules to get it to load on boot. if you need to pass card=X to the module on load then you will have to create edit a file in /etc/modutils with "options bttv card=x" and run "update-modules"
* az[a] zel wonders if ndiswrapper concept could be extended to handle winmodem drivers
<SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: but no it doesn't happen to me, what kind of files are you playing?
<caffinated> az[a] zel: probably.  assuming they don't *cough* break
<Fl-i-nT> Just a 20 song playlist
<Fl-i-nT> i have to force quit it jsut freezes
<SmokingFire> jintxo: The thing the bttv driver is loaded however the wrong one.
<caffinated> Fl-i-nT: i had that problem too.  i finally got rid of it and put xmms back in.
<jintxo> SmokingFire, so what you need is to pass it the card=X option?
<SmokingFire> jintxo: yes
<SmokingFire> so modutils?
<Fl-i-nT> caffinated, so how do i get rid of it or what exactly did you do?
<caffinated> Fl-i-nT: got rid of it, as in, uninstalled it.
<jintxo> SmokingFire, you could edit one of the files in /etc/modutils and then run "update-modules" to get that config saved into modules.conf
<madel> hi there
<Fl-i-nT> caffinated, oh ok ill do this
<iLL_Away> good evening all
<madel> how do I do something like  seting vga=792, I don' t understand how to do that in grub, i did it in lilo
<caffinated> Fl-i-nT: it's not really a solution to fixing it, but xmms is nicer anyway imho
<jintxo> SmokingFire, better than editing an existing one, better to create a new one so the one you edit doesn't get overwritten with an apt-get update
<SmokingFire> jintxo: let me see whats in /etc
<crimsun> madel: add it to the boot line when the computer boots (press 'e'), or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and append it to the end of the # kopts=  line
<crimsun> madel: with the latter choice, you'll have to run ,,sudo update-grub'' afterward
<kosmos> madel, just pu it in zhe kernel line, vga=0x318 for 1200x... for example
<Fl-i-nT> caffinated, well there must be something wrong with that rythmbox programmes because it did it since i have installed Warty yesterday o.O
<madel> crimsun, sudo echo "vga=792"   >> /boot/grub/menu.lst; sudo update-grub  ??
<caffinated> Fl-i-nT: yes, i couldn't find a solution to it either
<crimsun> madel: you have to actually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
<Myrtti> uulalaa
<SmokingFire> jintxo: So shouldn't I be using /etc/modprobe.d? And how/what do I name the file?
<crimsun> madel: you can't just append it to the file
<Myrtti> I try to install nvidia-glx, but none exists.
<kosmos> madel, you have tu put it in the right line
<SmokingFire> Myrtti: what do you mean?
<caffinated> Myrtti: it's there, but the official drivers direct from nvidia are better
<visor> anyone knows where to grab an xchat-systray deb for ubuntu?
<Myrtti> SmokingFire: I've searched apt, none exists
<crimsun> Myrtti: sure they exist
<SmokingFire> Myrtti: you searched for nvdia with synaptic?
<crimsun> Myrtti: you just can't install them unless you have nvidia-kernel installed.
<Myrtti> well tell me where, cause not in my lists they are
<iLLf8d> this the general question channel for ubuntu? I've got some feature/debian vs ubuntu difference questions
<iLLf8d> ?
<crimsun> Myrtti: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
<Fl-i-nT> Ok does anyone here have gdesklets?
<SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: I tried it once but it was to much for me.
<jintxo> SmokingFire, just call it "bttv" for example. make sure to run the update-modules part to save it to modules.conf
<Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, what do you mean?
<SmokingFire> jintxo: just bttv or bttv.conf?
<iLLf8d> is there an ubuntu noob channel somewhere?
<jintxo>  /etc/modutils/bttv
<Myrtti> iLLf8d: this is it
<Fl-i-nT> iLLf8d, it here
<SmokingFire> Fl-i-nT: Its eyecandy but I personally found out it just clutters the desktop with useless information, that I can find out using an applet or two-three mouseclicks.
<SmokingFire> iLLf8d: you're talking in it.
<iLLf8d> I'm running debian atm I got a few questions about ubuntus enhancements vs standard gnome/kde canned install. What enhancements are added to the environs (mimetypes, fileassociations etc?)
<SmokingFire> jintxo: thanks
<Burgundavia> iLLf8d: generally, an attempt is made at chosing a bestofbreed program, rather than several programs
<Burgundavia> iLLf8d: ubuntu also follows gnome very closely
<jintxo> good luck :-) after you're done take a look at /etc/modules.conf see if your option line is in there, then bttv should always load with that option if it's there
<Fl-i-nT> SmokingFire, nah i aint gonna use the Desktop eyecandy i jsut need a thing called Starterbar which is the dock from MAC OS once i have that my Ubuntu will be finally converted to a MAC
<Burgundavia> iLLf8d: in fact, we have totem in since warty
<iLLf8d> Burgundavia: ah uhm does it give you the ability to tweak the best of breeds to another app and still maintain mimeish type stuffs and the like
<Burgundavia> iLLf8d: you can install other apps yes
<iLLf8d> so its not like a fancy ubuntu plugger its an application suite
<iLLf8d> I keep losing my ?'s key must be on its way out
<Fl-i-nT> Does anyone here have a MAC OS enviroment like the theeme or anything like that?
<Burgundavia> iLLf8d: ubuntu has very little in custom stuff. There is a big pressure, and a good one, to push everything good that we do upstream
<Burgundavia> iLLf8d: Mark Shuttleworth, in a lug radio interview, called in the distro upstreams will love
<Burgundavia> s/in/it
<Burgundavia> iLLf8d: in addition, most of debian in is universe if it is not already in main
<iLLf8d> anyone considering an fbuntu?
<iLLf8d> fluxbox that is =P
<nasdaq7> what is lug?
<iLLf8d> linux users gourp
<iLLf8d> group even
<sionide> linux user group indeed
<sionide> hm
<sionide> i think im out of hard disk space :s
<iLLf8d> its an excuse to get together and show off your laptops and portable mp3 players and routers
<iLLf8d> usually theres a bit of diablo involved too
<iLLf8d> under cedega/winex
<SmokingFire> iLLf8d: I always thought that ubuntu was the first debian based distro using only gnome, besides some other things.
<Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem has been recognised by ubuntu? (i am in windows atm)
<sionide> http://www.lugradio.org
<caffinated> well, since nobody seems to know about this ndiswrapper issue...could someone do me a huge favour and tell me which version of the ndiswrapper-utils package comes with worty?  I think i'm going to try to move back to an earlier version.
<iLLf8d> SmokingFire: I like gnome but the wm is missing a few features I like (tho not all do)
<iLLf8d> I could run a mix and I run mostly gnomish apps
<iLLf8d> only kde stuffs I goof with are k3b at times (otherwise I use gcombust)
<SmokingFire> iLLf8d: I like plain GUI's I have tried skinning programs on windows for example but after a week or so, they get boring.
<crimsun> caffinated: use the form: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<jintxo> anybody had any luck creating VCDs under ubuntu? I been trying with kavi2svcd, no luck so far :-/
<caffinated> crimsun: thanks, i'll have a look
<iLLf8d> SmokingFire: actually my ideal environ would be a karmaba/gdesklet with nothign else (other then behind the scenes wm)
<oclv> what package do i need for xmms ability to play shoutcast streams ?
<iLLf8d> oclv: should do it outta the can
<SmokingFire> Personally, I think flashy things are neat like the new stuff in osx (genie effect etc.) but from experience I know that they will be in the way after the "ooh and aah" fase has passed.
<iLLf8d> oclv: to stream them you need xmms-liveice (/me is guessing cause i'm not overly ubuntu savvy)
<SmokingFire> oclv: well in rythmnbox you need the mp3 package.
<crimsun> oclv: you can play them out of the box, as iLLf8d said.
<oclv> no, i can't. i'm gettting errors with synaptic and apt, saying apt is already runnning, also.
<iLLf8d> oclv: ps ax | grep apt see if its running still
<oclv> nope
<apokryphos> oclv: what's the error message?
<iLLf8d> oclv: what about synaptic
<oclv> well, synaptic's working again now. :|
<iLLf8d> oclv don't forget pkill is your friend
<oclv> i know how to kill processes ;)
<Fl-i-nT> YO at the bottom of my firefox there is red writing whihc says " ^    class="t "
<Fl-i-nT> what does this mean?
<sionide> hrm my synaptic keeps crashing when it's trying to update open office.. :/
<sionide> bbl tho, lunch time
<iLLf8d> oclv: no offense some ppls dunno and I dunno you (often ppls don't know about the sig15 either)
<oclv> aye (:
* Spooks raises hand
<oclv> hmm, ok, now xmms thinks libmikmod isn't available- ?
<caffinated> hm, still no good.  starting to think it's got to be a problem with the kernel module itself :/
<iLLf8d> oclv: sometimes its a plugin (or used to be)
<caffinated> this is going to be a fun night
<Fl-i-nT> Sniff Sniff i have a wierd firefox its got red writing at the bottom and that shouldnt be there sniff sniff
* apokryphos hi-5s Spooks
* iLLf8d hands caffinated another vanilla ice blended
<Fl-i-nT> at the bottom it says| ^class="t |whats does these means?
<iLLf8d> Fl-i-nT: sounds like its pissed
<Fl-i-nT> iLLf8d, what do you mean?
<oclv> bah! i'll assume: apt-get install xmms         is usually all that's needed _just_ to start xmms ?
<snk00sj> checking for libz...configure: error: not found / Possibly configure picks up an outdated version installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
<snk00sj> anyone ?
<crimsun> snk00sj: you need zlib1g-dev
<snk00sj> tnx lemme try that
<Bandit> Crimsun do you know anyone that can fix this problem.......>>>>>Lhlqokbn Free Porn videos in children! Do you want see? Then click here =>  http://actiongirls.tr.cx
<snk00sj> ok i got on further again :)
<apokryphos> oclv: I don't recall, because I installed amaroK, but I think you might need the extra mp3 support pack
<oclv> apokryphos: just to start xmms ?
<crimsun> Bandit: huh?
<apokryphos> oclv: oh, nope.
<iLLf8d> apokryphos: uhm debs should suck all that stuff down shouldn't they? (does ubuntu change that?)
<Bandit> crimsun do you know a channel op or better to renove that guy
<crimsun> Bandit: what guy?
<apokryphos> iLLf8d: suck what?
<motuline> Kind of weird.. My fglrx drivers work only if Identifier is Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SG86C202 instead of ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)
<crimsun> Bandit: ask in #freenode
<Bandit> ok thanks'
<Fl-i-nT> crimsun, ThEse guy Lhlqokbn has quit ()
<mirak> I have a problem with my mp3 walkman with UMS. when I mount it once it's ok, I can read write on it, but if I unmount and mount it again I can't write after some time
<Bandit> Lhlqokbn has quit ()
<iLLf8d> apokryphos: I mean installing a package should  suck down its needed dependencies
<Bandit> yep
<CarlK_> what is the command that will run something every X seconds?
<mirak> or not at all. For exemple here, I was able to write 3 files then nautilus says it's only read write
<CarlK_> not cron, but someting like sleep, wait...
<oclv> CarlK_: you want a cron tab/
<Fl-i-nT> Bandit go to #freenode and tell them to block him
<oclv> oh, nm
<apokryphos> iLLf8d: if it can, of course, yes.
<CarlK_> oclv - watch!  thats it
<crimsun> CarlK_: watch
<CarlK_> right - thanks
<Bandit> Fl-i-nT yep i understood crimsun
<crimsun> uh oh, an Asheviller?
<crimsun> hmm
<mirak> nautilus says I don't have the rights, but the permissions are good
<oclv> bah
<henna> is there a way to get rid of all the X packages in ubuntu?
<snk00sj> install it with server mode in the beginning i guess ?
<henna> never even saw that option
<kent> snk00sj, did you solve the problem with only root being able to read your ntfs?
<daniels> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg- xserver-xfree86- libxau6- libx11-6-
<crimsun> ^ henna, except remove instead of install
<henna> aha
<Fl-i-nT> Ok i got xmms from Sunaptic now do i have to install it or anything like that?
<crimsun> Fl-i-nT: it's already installed if you got it via Synaptic
<Bandit> Fl-i-nT synaptic installs it for you
<Fl-i-nT> crimsun, i cant find it in multimedia ill try summoning it
<Fl-i-nT> aha worked now to locate it
<Bandit> Fl-i-nT logging out and then back out should put it in your menu
<Fl-i-nT> Bandit, thankx ill try that
<crimsun> Fl-i-nT: no need
<crimsun> Fl-i-nT: just ,,pkill gnome-panel''
<crimsun> Fl-i-nT: it will restart, and you'll see it
<crimsun> (unless you're using kde?)
<caffinated> they should add a refresh button for the menu.  nobody this desktop is truly aimed at is going to know to do that ;)
<Fl-i-nT> crimsun, ok i am abit uneducated on linux what do i do with this ,,pkill gnome-panel'' <--- is that to put in a terminal?
<crimsun> caffinated: that's because it's automatic
<crimsun> caffinated: the menu entries are reread automatically
<caffinated> crimsun: i've had it not work a whole lot of time
<crimsun> caffinated: did you file a bug? :)
<caffinated> crimsun: it's possible i suppose.  if i can recreate the conditions i'll let you know
<Fl-i-nT> crimsun, yey it worked thanks
<membreya> hey everybody
<crimsun> Fl-i-nT: np
<Albacker> where can I get the ubuntu-install Cd ?
* Fl-i-nT is happy
<Spooks> From about 8 inches away from my left hand
<membreya> hehe Spooks
<madel> hi there...
<Fl-i-nT> crimsun, do you know of a problem with firefox where red writing at the bottom of it appears saying class="t ???
<Albacker> where can I download that ?
<madel> I installed hoary, but it does not have a loading imange like the liveCD.....  how can I fix that?
<apokryphos> Albacker: /topic
<Spooks> Ooh cool
<Spooks> I might donate my other 9 Ubuntu CDs to freelinuxcd.org
<Spooks> SHARE THE WEALTH!
<caffinated> whelp, time to reboot and see if this old kernel explodes in my face :D
<madel> I installed hoary, but it does not have a loading imange like the liveCD.....  how can I fix that?
<kosmos> thats not trivial
<kosmos> maybe the splash become standart in the release version
<madel> kosmos, thanks
<El_Niko> hi, does anybody know how to chnage the resolution of gdm?
<bob2> madel: you don't need to keep asking the same thing over and over
<kosmos> but you can, searchfunction in the official forum helps
<walski> bob2, back to work are you?
* Spooks gets annoyed trying to get his sound to work
<walski> ;)
<bob2> hah
<nic__> I should have reinstalled hoary directly. I waste 10 hours on warty for nothing :p So I reinstalled hoary and everything is working fine, rhythmbox and muine included
<bob2> #ubuntu is highly not related to work
<madel> other question, I cannot set my printer... in system->administration->printers, I want to set my printer, but it only shows me USB ports, not the paralel ports, how can I configure that?
<kosmos> Spooks, your're not alone out there :p
<bob2> nic__: please do file bugs
<nic__> bu this reminds me a bit windows. when everything is borken, reinstall and it'll be fine
<bob2> except it's completely unlike windows
<nic__> bob2, what do you mean? file bugs for what?
<Spooks> I bet I'm not
<zenwhen> yes
<bob2> in that it's actually fixable
<zenwhen> in every way
<bob2> yes, troll me harder, zenwhen
<nic__> bob2, yes the difference is that ubuntu was a quite fresh install, only one week old
<walski> mmmm grrr cdrecord :|
<zenwhen> huh
<bob2> nic__: something being broken = bug
<nic__> bob2, I just said it wasnt anymore
<walski> makes baby jesus cry
<bob2> nic__: if things broken during the upgrade, they need to be fixed.
<apokryphos> nic__: it's really not like that in Linux. Upgrades are perfectly fine; I do them once/twice a week.
<Fl-i-nT> is there any eyecandy channels on this server?
<nic__> bob2, I've the same install as before
<zenwhen> #KDE
* Dr_Willis stares at Fl-i-nT 
<bob2> nic__: except something broke before
<zenwhen> I think he means flashy X stuff
<bob2> nic__: upgrades should be flawless, anything less is a bug
* Fl-i-nT stares back
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: general icandy?
<nic__> bob2, I dont think they fixed my troubles during the last night
<bob2> nic__: lord
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: not really; you should be able to discuss that sort of stuff in your desktop-environment channel
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, yeah
<bob2> nic__: if something didn't work during the upgrade, it's a bug in the upgrade
<bob2> nic__: please report it so it can be fixed
<nic__> bob2, which upgrade are you talking about?
<Spooks> ARGH! Die ESS, die die DIE!
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, which one is the  one for gnome?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: #gnome
<Fl-i-nT> thought so
<nic__> bob2, maybe I wasnt clear
<zenwhen> http://gnome-look.org has a lot of stuff like that
<nic__> bob2, what did u understand?
<bob2> nevermind
<bob2> don't file bugs
<bob2> I'm sure whatever problem you had will be magically fixed by the bug fairies
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: though, irc.gimp.org #gnome is more active, IIRC.
<zenwhen> :)
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, thankx
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, hi i've found out how to activate console-completion in a normal debian version... but sowehow it does not work with ubuntu...
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: link?
<_BIJ_> http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7026&highlight=auto+completion
<_BIJ_> but it's in german...
<apokryphos> heh
<_BIJ_> you can't understand what is written there?
<nic__> bob2, as you just saw, I cant explain clear enough to file bug reports. And anyway these bugs were very strange. I did a reinstall, I know have exactly the same setup as before (same version of the bugged programs) but now it works.
<tck> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ wtf ??
<nic__> s/know/now
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: nah, but it's fun to look at anyhow. ;)
<membreya> tck: omg
<Ribs> tck: mplayer's homepage has a similar coverpage
<apokryphos> woah
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, you understood what to do?
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: nope
<madel> Why can' t I find the /dev/lp*  files?
<_BIJ_> they say that you have to change 2 config files.... one in the etc and the other in the useres home directory...
<tck> where are they openssl libraries kept
<madstop> Good morning all.  Here's the weirdest bug I've seen so far, but it's kind of cool:
<o`Biks> hi. i ha ve a probleme with vsftpd : run two copies of vsftpd for IPv4 and IPv6
<tck> anytime i try to compile and need openssl, it never finds them
<madstop> I'm on kubuntu now, but I was running gnome this morning, and
<ruff> hi
<ruff> i got the root password sort
<nic__> Ribs, tck wtf is that?
<ruff> i do su, and login as root
<madstop> now, in kubuntu, xchat is showing my gnome svg wallpaper with transparency, instead of kde desktop
<ruff> but if i go to systems, and try to change come configureation
<apokryphos> ruff: you should ideally just us sudo
<ruff> it askes for password
<ruff> it's from the menu though
<ruff> like the start menu
<ruff> and it askes for password
<ruff> i enter it
<madstop> I like it, but it's weird.  Anybody know how that may have happened?
<ruff> but it fails
<ruff> ?
<ruff> i don't get it
<ruff> i already setup the root password
<Fl-i-nT> ruff that is normal its the same password as your root one
<zubunt> Hello. I need help with ubuntu and accessing my printer, that is connected to a debian pc.
<apokryphos> ruff: you perhaps need to use your user password. Please don't flood the channel. :)
<ruff> oh ok
<apokryphos> ruff: the whole idea of sudo is to *not* have to use su -- a separate root account.
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, i got it... it works...
<mijndert> Hi. I now run the Ubuntu Live CD. I am really happy with it, and I want to install it. Should I wait to the final release next month or can I install the preview and upgrade later oid?
<ruff> yea but i am just used to the other systems
<zubunt> Is there any documentation about the ubuntu printing system?
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: am jealous ;)
<jdub> mijndert: you can install the preview and upgrade
<ruff> apokryphos: the userpassword worked. But it's strange how it askes for root password
<Rattboi> zubunt: it's CUPS
<Fl-i-nT> ruff what to mandrake that is?
<apokryphos> ruff: yeah, don't worry, that's still on the TODO.
<mijndert> jdub: are there any risks to that?
<jdub> mijndert: no
<gambit> hey all. where can i get a midnight commander for ubuntu?
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, haha :) make a copy of the bash.bashrc in the /etc folder
<mijndert> Ok, thank you very much :)
<Rattboi> gambit: sudo apt-get install mc
<jdub> gambit: mc is in universe
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: done
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, ok now delete the old bash.bashrc
<apokryphos> alright
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, enter "touch bash.bashrc"
<Dr_Willis> mc  - is so handy :P
<ruff> apokryphos: no i been using, red hat, fedora, slackware, libranet...and ubuntu. I am still pretty new though
<zubunt> Rattboi: But how thos the gnomeprinting stuff work. I cannnot access my printer with this tools, and I don't want to do the configuration of cups with emacs. IMHO this is not the appropiate way in ubuntu, there must be a more userfriendly way.
<_BIJ_> and then insert into it the following lines:
<_BIJ_> # System-wide .bashrc file for interactive bash(1) shells.
<_BIJ_> shopt -s checkwinsize
<_BIJ_> # enable bash completion in interactive shells
<_BIJ_> if [ "$PS1" -a -f /etc/bash_completion ] ; then
<_BIJ_> . /etc/bash_completion
<_BIJ_> fi
<apokryphos> ruff: no?
<Dr_Willis> i thought the "gnome printing gui" tool - was just another frontend for the CUPS printing.
<ruff> apokryphos: It's all good. Thanks for the help
<vaijr2002> hi everyone
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, then you got to exit the console and log in again... on my computer it works...
<vaijr2002> i had a link to another wiki page for ubunto but cant find it
<Dr_Willis> and cups commands were replacements for the system common printing commands.. so just the standard print features of emacs should work as well.
<vaijr2002> it had everything on it.... like how to mount hd's and stuff
<vaijr2002> can anyone help
<vaijr2002> hi Willis
<Dr_Willis> Hay vaijr2002
* madstop signs off to see if gnome is still stalking his kubuntu desktop
<Dr_Willis> :P
<vaijr2002> was a white page
<ruff> vaijr2002: www.ubuntuguide.org ?
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: sweet! That did it. :)
<vaijr2002> thanks ruff thats it
<_BIJ_> good :)
<ruff> vaijr2002: no worries
<vaijr2002> now all i need to do is figure out mysql
<vaijr2002> gah i am soo lost there
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: this should seriously be implemented; might suggest it.
<vaijr2002> i need to setup admin acct and get it to work with this program i am installing
<madel> what players can I install from the ubuntu oficial?  totem does not play my XviD movie
<_BIJ_> yes in my opinion this should be changed
<_BIJ_> apokryphos, where can i post this proposal?
<crimsun> madel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
<nic__> madel, I think you can't read anything
<apokryphos> _BIJ_: I recommend suggesting it on #ubuntu-devel
<_BIJ_> oki i'll try now...
<ruff> Ah i forgot to ask the main question
<ol4l> is it possible to get the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy fortunes in ubuntu? i cant find anything
<jono> hi all
<vaijr2002> hi jono
<ruff> Isn't Ubuntu 5.04 suppose to have KDE as default?
<jono> heya vaijr2002 :)
<bob2> ruff: er, no
<jono> rubenv, kubuntu will
<claint> maybe kubuntu
<bob2> ol4l: excerpts from HHGTTG would not be distributable
<apokryphos> ruff: kubuntu hoary 5.04 does
<Rattboi> anyone, does kubuntu have KDE + Gnome?
<membreya> ruff: only kubuntu
<Rattboi> or just KDE?
<membreya> damnit apokryphos
<ruff> hmmm...must have downloaded the wrong iso
<claint> just installed ubuntu, testing it out now.
<vaijr2002> yes Rattboi
<jdub> Rattboi: both, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde as the default
<Rattboi> ah
<jdub> Rattboi: different install and livecds
<vaijr2002> both just gotta install kde
<apokryphos> Rattboi: it comes with only kde on the ISO, but Gnome is easily installable.
<vaijr2002> ok gonna go read some man pages cya all later, take care
<vaijr2002> bbl
<ol4l> bob2: what?
<claint> is the nvidia deal done the regular way? getting the drivers from nvidia.com and installing them?
<bob2> claint: please read the FAQ
<jdub> claint: no, see the wiki. ubuntu provides the nvidia drivers.
<apokryphos> claint: easier. :)
<bob2> claint: or wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
<claint> ok, thanks a bunch.
<ruff> Ubuntu should really allow package selection during installation
<Dr_Willis> nvidia is easy to get going under ubuntu - then about any other disrto ive tried. :P
<bob2> ruff: why?
<membreya> ruff: the cd is full enough :P
<Dr_Willis> ruff,  that has its pros and cons also.
<caffinated> woo!  got my wlan working.  in case anyone is having a similar problem, it's a problem with hoary's kernel.  i went back to 2.6.8.1-3-386 and it's all good now :D
<membreya> i SUPPOSE they could include it on the DVD
<madel> my xchat crashed
<ruff> heh, but then you can choose what to install
<caffinated> madel: sounds like you need irssi ;)
<jdub> ruff: we specifically chose not to -> you have a much better package mangement gui once the system is installed than you could during install
<madel> what was the link someone paste to see xvid in my ubuntu?
<madel> caffinated, what is irssi?
<crimsun> madel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
<membreya> irssi = chat client madel
<madstop> anybody who's got both gnome and kubuntu seen phenomenon?  in kubuntu, xchat is showing my gnome svg wallpaper as a background, instead of my current desktop image with transparency
<caffinated> madel: a text-mode irc client.  very nice, or at least, i think so.
<apokryphos> Madkiss: command-line based
<apokryphos> madstop: odd; it's fine here...
<madstop> I like it, actually.  Just wondering what other surprises may be in store for me.
<apokryphos> heh
<Riddell> madstop: sounds like a problem with the transparency in xchat, it's using the gnome background not whatever the X background is
<caffinated> hm, think it's time to lock this kernel version in the package manager until this goes stable.  that took waaay too much time to troubleshoot
<mijndert> I have had problems with Ubuntu 4.10 with my ATi 9200SE (NO SCREENS FOUND). Will this be solved by now?
<membreya> madstop: just use konversation :P
<Dr_Willis> well xchat is a gtk app . so its proberly reading the wallpaper set with the gtk type tools - make sence to me.
<claint> which package sources address do i need to activate for the nvidia drivers?
<membreya> mijndert: ati + linux = sucky
<apokryphos> claint: did you check the suggested links?
<claint> i guess i should just read apt-get. i am at the wiki right now.
<JDigital> hehe, 404 users
<mijndert> membreya, I know. But works fine on Fedora now :) On Ubuntu 4.10 it just said NO SCREENS FOUND.. did not start X at all
<JDigital> users not found
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell claint ubutweaking
<Pyre> claint: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
<membreya> Pyre: tell apokryphos to stop being lazy
<Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to stop being lazy' apokryphos
<claint> that's a good link, thanks.
<madstop> ah, thank you Riddell.  and membreya...  This reminds me, within kubuntu, could I use nautilus to draw the desktop, so I could get those resizable icons (good for picture files) and the icons showing plain text previews (better than sticky notes! ;-)
<apokryphos> ;)
<Bandit> mijndert you may have to try out hoary to see if it will work
<dashnu> why are the how-tos on a ssl connect :p
<JDigital> Hey, does anyone know how to run Quake on Linux? I have like an actual original copy of the game and all.
<madstop> (heh, what I'm really hoping for is knome...)
<dashnu> i have jake running a java implementation of quake
<dashnu> hammers
<membreya> mijndert: why don't you try the hoary livecd?
<jalal_ubuntu> hi all
<Dr_Willis> lol
<membreya> java...quake? :|
<mijndert> membreya, I am running it now..
<dashnu> membreya, i was bored
<mijndert> membreya, but I am not sure if it works when I install it
<membreya> mijndert: is it working now ?
<mijndert> membreya, It is :) good resolution
<membreya> mijndert: then install hoary :)
<gub> re
<mijndert> membreya, OK thanks for the information :)
<mijndert> Gonna backup my home dir, and then install it
<mijndert> Bye, thanks!
<membreya> Pyre: tell apokaway to come back
<Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to come back' apokaway
<dashnu> when is xcompmgr and transset gonna hit ubuntu ?
<dashnu> any one heard?
<apokaway> dashnu: it already has
* apokaway is really gone now
<vaijr2002> need some quick help
<vaijr2002> why when i try to mount a partition does it say mount point doesnt exhist
<vaijr2002> when i did it
<dashnu> were is it ?
<membreya> vaijr2002: created the mount point? :)
<vaijr2002> i did sudo mount /media/windows2
<Dr_Willis>  - you did make the 'directory; you are mounting to?  in this case /media/windows2
<madel> I installed avifile-xvid-plugin and I still cant't play xvid movies with totem, anyone has done this?
<vaijr2002> then did sudo mount /dev/hdd1 media/windows2 -t ntfs -o umask=0222
<sandwitch> forgot a "/" for media ?
<vaijr2002> oh thats it lol
<vaijr2002> thanks
<vaijr2002> der stupid me
<vaijr2002> brb
<membreya> :| lol vaijr2002
<caffinated> dashnu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 try that
<caffinated> i just got through doing it myself about 45 minutes ago.  works good.
<dashnu> thx man
<vaijr2002> thanks membreya
<vaijr2002> mysql is next victim lol
<membreya> enjoy that one vaijr2002 :P
<New2ubuntu> hello
<zenwhen> hey
<ruff> bye
<dashnu> E: Couldn't find package xcompmgr
<zenwhen> you aren;t... new t ubuntu are you
<zenwhen> ;)
<New2ubuntu> Can anyone help me install a "java Runtime Environment" Limewire requires it and I can't find it in Apt :(
<membreya> New2ubuntu: www.blackdown.org
<dashnu> nm
<munki> Anybody got any experience with ekstern harddrives, in ubuntu (gnome) ?
<libpng> New2ubuntu, www.ubuntuguide.org
<zenwhen> munki, they have just automounted for me
<membreya> Pyre: tell New2ubuntu java
<Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'java' New2ubuntu
<membreya> dang!
<membreya> stupid bot
<munki> It should puff up on the desktop, but it doesn't allways do.. It is mounted and all of that, but not on the desktop
<Dr_Willis> munki,  you mean external usb hard drives?
<New2ubuntu> thanks
<Madkiss> apokaway: What?`
<munki> Dr_Willis , yup
<Dr_Willis> munki, was it mounted befor you started up X/logged in?
<Dr_Willis> munki,  i think thers some gnome service or simthing that handles that. if you sort of outsmart it. :P it can get confused.
<libpng> Pyre, tell libpng jre
<munki> Dr_Willis , ya.. it's kinda crappy..
<Dr_Willis> munki,  i tend to just disable it :P
<munki> Dr_Willis , I just turn it off, and then turn it on
<Dr_Willis> it shoul still be in the 'drives' or whatever location i think
<Rocha> Hello, i'm using ubuntu warty and i'm having some trouble with LaTeX
<munki> it is in : /media/usbdisk
<munki> but not on the desktop :S
<Rocha> Warning: pdflatex (file cmr10.pfb): cannot open Type 1 font file for reading
<munki> and.. I wan't it on the desktop ! :P
<Rocha> I can't find this font
<Spooks> Don't wear latex... the fashion police will get you
<Rocha> Do you know what package do I need to install?
<Rocha> "It can't find..."
<vaijr2002> my xmms locked up . how do i kill it?
<Spooks> pkill
<vaijr2002> so is it pkill xmms?
<Spooks> I should imagine so
<Rocha> spooks: latex is s text processor
<Spooks> I know :p
<scizzo> Rocha: Type 1
<vaijr2002> thanks spooks you rock
* Spooks was just being silly
<Spooks> Check me out
<Rocha> Spooks, :)
<Spooks> Giving advice after only 3 days of linux usage
<nasdaq7> latex is what my girlfriend wears
<Spooks> Respect!
<ice_1963> lol
<scizzo> Rocha: that should be some sort of standard font if I am not wrong
* Spooks falls down at the next hurdle
<speel> ok there ali g lol
<scizzo> Rocha: do you have the xfonts packages installed ?
<nasdaq7> she is a dominatrix
<scizzo> Rocha: dpkg -l |grep xfonts
<Myrtti> goddammit
<Rocha> scizzo, let me check
<membreya> no updates today...hmmm weird :|
<Rocha> ii  xfonts-100dpi  4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 100 dpi fonts for X
<Rocha> ii  xfonts-75dpi   4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 75 dpi fonts for X
<Rocha> ii  xfonts-base    4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 standard fonts for X
<Rocha> ii  xfonts-scalabl 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 scalable fonts for X
<vaijr2002> crappers my xmms locks up every time i try to play an mp3
<Rocha> scizzo, am i missing some?
<Myrtti> vaijr2002: try to launch it from terminal
<vaijr2002> hey is mplayer hard to config for ubuntu?
<Fackamato> config?
<Fackamato> you don't need to compile it
<vaijr2002> setup
<Myrtti> you prolly need libmik to get it working
<Myrtti> or nevermind me
<bob2> vaijr2002: are you using the nvidia binary-only drivers?
<vaijr2002> if its a tar.gz dont it need compiling?
<caffinated> vaijr2002: i normally go with xine, but either xine or mplayer should be ready to go out of the box
<vaijr2002> dont know bob
<vaijr2002> oh ok caffinated
<Rocha> scizzo, if i copy all deb files from apt-get cache from a friend of mine, can i install them with synaptic?
<bob2> yes, you do
<vaijr2002> i have an ati vid card bob
<edulix> I've installed one package via alien. how to uninstall/remove it ?
<vaijr2002> soundblaster audigy sound card
<Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem drivers are installed?
<Rocha> scizzo, adding a cdrom to the repositories for example?
<membreya> Rocha: just copy the backup .deb files and then from a terminal do a sudo dpkg -a *.deb
<vaijr2002> so if i dl the tar.gz of mplayer i have to compile it?
<Rocha> membreya, that's cool :)
<membreya> Rocha: the .deb files are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/
<Rocha> membreya, i have a 56k connection, and downloading some files take ages
<membreya> :)
<nasdaq7> that is maddening eh rocha?
<vaijr2002> anyone a mysql god?
<Hayden> how can i tell if my dialup modem drivers are installed?
<vaijr2002> i need to setup a database, and admin acct
<jdub> Hayden: is it a serial modem?
<Hayden> i'm on a laptop
<Hayden> it is built in
<jdub> ok, that means it's not a serial modem
<jdub> you need to find out what it is
<bob2> vaijr2002: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, no need to compile mplayer
<vaijr2002> oh ok
<bob2> vaijr2002: it comes with an admin account for free
<vaijr2002> i thought that everything thats tar.gz had to be compiled, and rpms were precompiled
<bob2> Hayden: did you install?  if not, then no.
<New2ubuntu> is there a Java RE in Deb format?
<Rocha> membreya, i know that :)
<vaijr2002> you mean mysql bob for the admin acct?
<ice_1963> xine is better
<membreya> New2ubuntu: not AFAIK
<bob2> vaijr2002: indeed
<membreya> Rocha: ..know what? :|
<Rocha> nasdaq7, at college i have a very high speed connection
<Hayden> jdub, apparently it is a conexant softk56
<Spooks> rpms are for use with java, yay or nay?
<Rocha> nasdaq7, i'm not used to 56k
<vaijr2002> ok but where is the configure file for mysql where you can change stuffs in it?
<bob2> vaijr2002: /etc/mysql/
<nasdaq7> its crazy
<bob2> surprisingly
<nasdaq7> its hell
<vaijr2002> ok
<membreya> lol bob2 :P
<vaijr2002> can i change stuff in there like admin pw and stuffs
<bob2> vaijr2002: why don't you just look?
<vaijr2002> this is what i am doing .... i am installing verlihub its a p2p hub/chat i have to setup mysql and make a database for the program
<Rocha> membreya, that the cache is in that directory
<membreya> oh ok Rocha :) you never know what people do and don't know :)
<vaijr2002> sorry bob kinda a newbie to linux. thought there was a command to open the file and edit it
<membreya> vaijr2002: there is ...nano :)
<vaijr2002> okies
<vaijr2002> brb
<membreya> mornin daniels_ :)
<vaijr2002> is the file in mysql called my.cnf?
<bob2> vaijr2002: yes
<vaijr2002> thanks
<vaijr2002> brb
<membreya> vaijr2002: ...at this point I have to say.. /join #mysql
<vaijr2002> ~/.my.cnf
<vaijr2002> where is that dir?
<vaijr2002> lol membreya
<vaijr2002> whats the -/ mean?
<Dr_Willis> ~/
<Dr_Willis> is shortcut for your home dir.
<Dr_Willis> ie /home/username
<vaijr2002> ok thanks willis
<ice_1963> lol
<vaijr2002> brb config'ing
<Rocha> scizzo, i have installed "freetype1-tools" and "type1inst" but i still don't get the font
<ice_1963> lol
<henla464> I did a apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary recently, now I try to do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop but I get message about broken dependencies. I am using amd64. Anyone know if this should work?
<Hayden> what does apt-get install ubuntu-desktop do?
<New2ubuntu> I hate Java
<Spooks> Likewise
<Rocha> New2ubuntu, why?
<New2ubuntu> I hate that so many programs require such a worthless poorly integrated piece of technology
<membreya> JRE is easy New2ubuntu
<dashnu> lol New2ubuntu
<New2ubuntu> Synaptic wont install the bastard
<New2ubuntu> it keeps saying it needs other files
<New2ubuntu> so I look up all of the deb repositories
<henla464> hayden: they recommended doing that on some page.. wait and I will try to find it
<New2ubuntu> that are remotely linked to java
<Rocha> New2ubuntu, java can't be redistributed
<dashnu> funny my company makes lots of money on such a " worthless poorly integrated piece of technology"
<Rocha> New2ubuntu, you must download it from java.sun.com
<New2ubuntu> ok
* New2Ubuntu2 whistles
<csj> hello, I am trying to customize the Ubuntu hoary livecd and I remove the original filesystem.cloop, and I use debootstrap to build a new ubuntu in /mnt/ubuntu, and now I want to compress /mnt/ubuntu  become  filesystem.cloop,  I use mkisofs -iso-level 4 -R -U -hide-rr-moved -cache-inodes -no-bak -pad /mnt/ubuntu | nice -5 create_compressed_fs - 65536 > filesystem.cloop
<thenuke> http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/index.html
<membreya> Rocha: you can also get another version called blackdown
<thenuke> ubuntu needs to have that protocol
<csj> is that a correct way?
<Rocha> membreya, blackdown doesn't support java 5
<membreya> java 5 schmava 5
<henla464> hayden: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=ubuntu-desktop%20hoary
<Rocha> java 5 kicks java 2 (1.4) ass :P
<New2ubuntu> Microsoft does it all the time
<_d4vid> ky all
<membreya> New2ubuntu: you might notice that microsoft had to remove it's java virtual machine Spooks :)
<New2ubuntu> not that
<djp> any users of dar here?
<New2ubuntu> it makes money on a worhtless poorly integrated piece of technology
<Rocha> can anyone tell me with package as the file cmr10.pfb ?
<jalal_ubuntu> anyone have a package to install mplayer in ubuntu ? plz
<Rocha> java is a very good language
<Rocha> very very good
<Rocha> (but C# is better)
<membreya> jalal_ubuntu: only amd64.soz :(
<New2ubuntu> well I am downloading Java from Suns website
<jalal_ubuntu> membreya, where di yu get it ?
<New2ubuntu> it smells of fish guts
<Rocha> New2ubuntu, www.ubuntuguide.org (follow the instructions in this website when installing java)
<membreya> jalal_ubuntu: you running amd64?
<dashnu> any good beep-media-player ubuntu themes ?
<jalal_ubuntu> membreya, no
<membreya> jalal_ubuntu: then it's useless for you :P
<Rocha> dashnu, beep is evil
<dashnu> Rocha, heh i love it
<Rocha> :)
<[koji] > help i got no audio on my xine
<dashnu> i hear a lot of people comparing this distro to gentoo were in gods name does that come from ?
<Dr_Willis> no idea there. :P
<membreya> dashnu: cos it's linux? :P
<dashnu> na
<Dr_Willis> ive use dthem both - and  they are radicially different design goals.
<dashnu> indeed
<membreya> gentoo takes too much configuring for my liking :|
<dashnu> i run gentoo just tried ubuntu the other day i like it
<dashnu> i feel a bit more 'free' in gentoo if that makes sense
<New2ubuntu> ok the download file is corrupted
<membreya> too many years of MS makes me want things that "work out of the box"
<New2ubuntu> and I got it off Suns bloody website
<dashnu> ya i was shocked to see my wireless card work out of the box
<zenwhen> Mine did as well.
<New2ubuntu> this is why I call it a worthless piece of techology, it can't even hold its integrity on the short trip from San Jose to Seattle
<sandwitch> csj, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71814 or on the knoppix site
<dashnu> but the kernel has about everthing compiled as a module so why not i guess
<Dr_Willis> heh - with linux you are 'suprised when your hardwware works' :P
<csj> sandwitch: ok, thank you, I go to read it :D
<ice_1963> ms lol that's funny lol
<zenwhen> It stopped surprising me a while back.
<jalal_ubuntu> where ca  i get nero for ubuntu ?
<zenwhen> I havent found much that isn;t supported that i need to or would want to use in my daily computing.
<dashnu> jalal_ubuntu, you have to buy it i think
<dashnu> dont waste your money
<Rocha> can anyone tell me where can i find the latex font file cmr10.pfb ?
<djp> jalal_ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
<membreya> only thing that annoys me is I can't get full 3d accelaration working without recompiling my kernel (damn agpgart)
<jalal_ubuntu> cab i install a .rpm version ?
<djp> anyone use dar here?
<membreya> amd64 3200+ with a geforce 4000 and I only get 400 fps on glxgears
<Dr_Willis> membreya,  - hmm. i dident have to do that. :P
<dashnu> i use the kernels agpgart with nvidia
<SiRrUs> membreya good morning
<dashnu> on ubuntu anyways
<membreya> ello SiRrUs :)
<tck> is array-7 = preview ?
<tck> or a later version
<Dr_Willis> jalal_ubuntu,  the nero homepage has that nero-linux download  i belive.. and it does require a  legal/bought version of the windows nero.
<New2ubuntu> that settles it, on monday I am telling advising my mutual fund to dump Sun Microsystems
<dashnu> 47379 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9475.800 FPS
<caffinated> jalal_ubuntu: iirc, there is a package called 'alien' which will allow you to convert RPM to deb
<membreya> dashnu: what hardware?
<zerovertex> what is a graphical frontend for gphoto2?
<dashnu> ha just crashed xcomp
<caffinated> jalal_ubuntu: your milage may vary with that though - i'd use it with caution
<zerovertex> nevermind
<dashnu> xp3000 nvidia 6800 1 g ram
<zerovertex> found it
<csj> sandwitch: but is this morphix? I want to find a way to make filesystem.cloop for ubuntu livecd but not try Morphix.
<membreya> damn you dashnu ...at least I beat you with cpu :P
<membreya> dashnu: running highmem in your kernel ? :)
<dashnu> ha i do get a bit better perfomance in gentoo
<dashnu> not this one no
<dashnu> :(
<dashnu> i need to fix that
<membreya> why not dashnu , you're limiting yourself to 890 mb :P
<sandwitch> csj, it  s all about cloop doesnt mind
<dashnu> i no I just installed.. the other day
<csj> sandwitch: ok, I go ahead read, thank youG^
<sandwitch> i thought the first ubuntu livecd was made by morphix
<membreya> dashnu: then again, if we're to believe Bill Gates "no computer will ever need more than 640k memory"
<dashnu> i tried one kernel the ubuntu way but i missed some stuff
<dashnu> lol
<dashnu> Bill Gates is a pimp :p
<caffinated> membreya: that's an urban myth.  he never said that.
<membreya> dashnu: but a rich pimp
<Dr_Willis> caffinated,  and i bet that Al Gore never Invented the Internet either! :P
<dashnu> true
<caffinated> Dr_Willis: well, he didn't ;)
<Dr_Willis> "Porn - the reason AL Gore Invented the Internet... for Bill CLinton"
<dashnu> heh
<Dr_Willis> Oh wait. i forget  "people are not allowed to say anything mean about democrats, just those $&#&^@^^@ republibians"
<madstop> folks, I installed xfce 4 (to use when I want a real fast log-in and less temptation to fiddle with stuff) and I was wondering --
<Dr_Willis> :P
<nasdaq7> there are millions of porn pics online - bill must have a field day
<ice_1963> lol
<caffinated> Dr_Willis: actually, you can say anything you want about either of them.  american politics isn't something i concern myself with too much
<madstop> can I install some of the xfce4 themes in kde, and how do I do that?  I looked in the xfce4 folder, but find nothing marked for themes
<dashnu> nor do I
<Dr_Willis> caffinated,   Blasphmy! :P
<caffinated> from where i sit, it doesn't matter which one you guys vote in, he's going to suck
<madstop> or are they incompatible?  I'm finding kde a bit theme deprived
<Dr_Willis> Madkiss,  xfce themes are totally diffrent from kde themes.
<dashnu> i strongly belive I am one little person whos opinions dont mean shit
<membreya> caffinated: voting is just a matter of choosing a different class of idiot
<caffinated> membreya: heh, i think i agree with you there
<Dr_Willis> madstop,  kde-look.org - has 100000's of themes :P
<madstop> I was afraid of that Dr_Willis
<ice_1963> ok
<Dr_Willis> of course there may be a lot of default kde extras you can install with apt-get - that you just havent isntalled.
<Dr_Willis> I tend to get a nice clean theme an just use that.
<madstop> Thanks, I'll look around.  The iceWM themes are great too... ;-)
<Myrtti> I feel like a newbie again
<dashnu> i am sticking with the brown look
<dashnu> i like it :P
<Dr_Willis> yea - its neat how kde acn use the icewm themes in ways.. but it seems theres 2 kinds of themes... UGLY and 'useable' :P
<membreya> dashnu: what about clearlooks?
<Brunellus> any fluxbox users out there?
<Myrtti> I want to rip my CD's to mp3s, I've looked and I've tried, but I can't get sound juicer to work, nor grip...
<membreya> clearlooks + ubuntu calendar :D
<stephank> The python2.4-psyco package (universe) seems to be broken? It only contains a doc directory.
<dashnu> clearlooks ?
<Brunellus> myrtti:  have you read the restricted-formats wikipage yet?
<membreya> dashnu: theme..makes everything look nice (but don't believe it ..it's not clear :P)
<dashnu> ah
<Myrtti> Brunellus: ask how many times...
<hayden> how do i run gdesklets as soon as i login
<Myrtti> I've lost track
<madstop> Dr_Willis, I like clean too, but I like roll-up buttons, and less crowded buttons generally.  And I'm too lazy to fiddle with the buttons on the installed themes myself... ;-)
<Brunellus> Ok.  that's my first question, always.
<dashnu> put it in you gnome session thingy
<Brunellus> anyone in here running fluxbox
<hayden> gnome session thingy?
<madstop> (most of these themes are not touchpad user friendly)
<Burgundavia> can anybody else reproduce this bug for me?
<Montagh> im on windowmaker
<Dr_Willis> madstop,  i belive ive seen a few themes that have extra configuration tab. that lets you easially check/add/remove buttons.
<Burgundavia> go to : http://software.silicon.com/security/0,39024655,39128778,00.htm in firefox
<dashnu> hayden, in the gnome menu is a thing called session
<Burgundavia> tell me if you see backtics in the window title
<hayden> yep i've found it
<hayden> thanks
<dashnu> in there is a startup tab
<crimsun> stephank: sec, lemme look.
<madstop> thx Dr_Willis
<Dr_Willis> take care ya all.
<Taraxacum> will i have problems with the install cd if i boot with it and got a wireless keyboard?
<Dr_Willis> Hmm..
<hayden> has anyone seen call for help 2.0 ?
<Dr_Willis> Taraxacum,  no way to tell.. i doubt if there will be any problems.
<membreya> ooo just realised, I have 50 invites to hand out in gmail :D
<Taraxacum> so i'll just pray then ;)
<Dr_Willis> membreya,  lol...
<Dr_Willis> membreya,  i got my gmail account.. and am allready getting SPAM!
<Jesterace> heh i have like 100 gmail invites :p
<Dr_Willis> and no one has my address
<Brunellus> I'm running fluxbox, but it's pretty bare;  I'd like to be able to configure the menus
<membreya> Dr_Willis: I don't get spam in hotmail or gmail
<Brunellus> but the fluxbox-generate_menu command doesn't work
<Dr_Willis> its all 'message returned/bounced' sort of spam..
<httpdss> does anyone know which is the chipset for the intellinet Wireless LAN PCI Card ??
<Taraxacum> is the dhclient installed with the install cd?
<Dr_Willis> but gmail is now filtering them all to the spam folder..
<Taraxacum> and lynx?
<membreya> Dr_Willis: NOONE has your gmail ?
<Dr_Willis> Hotmail = 100+ spam a day
<madstop> membreya, someone needs to invent something that lets everyone with 50 invites pool it all into one vast web storage space...
<Dr_Willis> membreya,  ive had the account for 2 days.. and havent used it.. and now im getting spam there. :P
<membreya> hrm Dr_Willis :|
<membreya> had my account for 2 weeks and no email except the test one I sent myself :(
<Dr_Willis> membreya,  unless they are a random name generation spam attack.
<dashnu> madstop, there is a site that does that
<madstop> dashnu, really?
<dashnu> yea i will try to find it
<Dr_Willis> well bbl
<tux> hello. I have a parallel printer and a LAN 192.168.2.0. How can I share my printer in the LAN with cups?
<membreya> bed time for me ..up in 5 hours for work :)
<madstop> I was joking... that's brilliant.
<dashnu> http://www.freegmailinvites.com/
<dashnu> one of many i think
<madstop> google's probably not thrilled (or maybe they love it ;-)
<Taraxacum> is the dhclient and lynx installed with the install cd?
<madstop> hmm, dashnu, that's not exactly what I had in mind.  I meant somehow converting email storage to unrestricted storage.
<stephank> Taraxacum: IIRC, lynx isn't, but it will try to connect using dhcp during the installation.
<New2ubuntu> well Java is officially a pin in the ass to install, but thank god that task is over... May Sun Microsystems rot in its grave forever for not Open Sourcing Java so that decent installers could be written by the community
<dashnu> xcompmgr is super buggy
<dashnu> oh i see madstop
<Taraxacum> yeah but without lynx i can't login to the isp
<dashnu> yea that would be nice
<Taraxacum> that's a part that sucks mostly
<Taraxacum> don't the geeks think about that?
<membreya> madstop: why would you need more than 1gb of gmailfs?
<stephank> Taraxacum: well, that's an odd ISP.
<Taraxacum> not really
<Taraxacum> everyone has that in sweden
<stephank> Taraxacum: either way, you should be able to install and get a desktop up. DHCP should connect you to your ISP and you can then just use firefox to login.
<madstop> y'all are missing the point... I'm talking about gmail users with excess storage pooling it all together, to run free server storage or whatever.  It was just a joke, folks
<Taraxacum> if i get xwindows to work yes
<stephank> Taraxacum: It should Just Work. :)
<membreya> madstop: i think that would piss google off severely :P
<Taraxacum> that's why i like a backup with lynx to make sure it will make me able to connect
<membreya> but yes I see your point :)
<madstop> yep, membreya!
<Myrtti> dammit dammit dammit
<crimsun> stephank: there seems to be a packaging error (I've spotted at least one in debian/rules)
<crimsun> stephank: rebuilding, will let you know what I make of it shortly
<Fl-i-nT> does anyone know how to change the mouse theme in gconf-editor i cant find it the tree any help?
<stephank> crimsun: okay, thanks. :)
<SiRrUs> Myrtti whats broke today :)
<membreya> SiRrUs: "linux - what would you like to break today"
<dashnu> F|-i-nT, put you theme in ~/.icons/default
<vetlebox> hi, I installed ubuntu today, and I looked for sshd, but couldn` t find it, I thought sshd was common on unix. So does that mean I have to install it? Or just active it or something ?
<crimsun> vetlebox: openssh-server
<dashnu> also you name does not Tab complete :( pain in the ass
<SiRrUs> :)
<vetlebox> ooooh
<vetlebox> command not ofund ? :S
<Myrtti> can't get sound juicer doing mp3s, nor grip -- my SO bought me yesterday a new pair of headphones to replace those he broke by stepping on them -- now I want to test them with my mp3-player, but I can't rip my Elton John CD's :-/
<crimsun> vetlebox: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
<CarlK_> get a new SO ;)
<membreya> vetlebox: ssh
<membreya> if you want the client
<vetlebox> I don` t have apt-config yet.
<Myrtti> CarlK_: I think I'm too nerdy for most men
<crimsun> vetlebox: why do you need apt-config?
<vetlebox> membreya: I` m looking for the server.
<Montagh> apt-get install SO
<vetlebox> crimsun: Yes
<Myrtti> if only it were that easy
<crimsun> vetlebox: why do you need apt-config?
<Myrtti> but really, I can't stop wondering what I should do to get that damn sound juicer to work
<vetlebox> Because it aint any "sources" in mine that i can download from when im searching
<vetlebox> Its no ftp`s/http`s added.
<sandwitch> Myrtti, you have lame or another mp3 encoder installed ?
<crimsun> vetlebox: did you install from the Internet during the Ubuntu install?
<vetlebox> Yes I did
<Myrtti> sandwitch: bien sur, of course I do
<sandwitch> ok just checking :)
<vetlebox> Where is the apt-config? So I can check
<Myrtti> I wouldn't whine about problems here if I hadn't ;-)
<Myrtti> but as I now run gnome-audio-profiles-properties, this goddammit thing has forgotten the mp3-thingy I just made
<sandwitch> so what's not working the ripping part or the encoding part
<crimsun> vetlebox: if you installed from the Internet, then sources.list is already configured
<_BIJ_> what do i have to install in order to be able to play mp3s with totem?
<crimsun> stephank: ping, see query please.
<vetlebox> hmm, then it must have made a fail. Because I don`t have any sources, atleast thats what it tells me. (It cant find a anything)
<vetlebox> where is the sources.list file? My Locate wont even work :P
<zanaga> has anyone noticed a problem where syslog stops logging kernel messages?
<vetlebox> sources could not open database..
<stephank> Taraxacum: Well, there really doesn't seem to be a lynx or links package on the warty install cd. If the X server doesn't start up you could either hack it's configuration to use the VGA driver or download the lynx package now and somehow copy it over.
<zanaga> for some reason it appears to happen on my server.
<stephank> stephank: but most likely, it will Just Work. :)
<sandwitch> should be in /etc/apt/sources.list vetlebox
<dashnu> zanaga, i bet it has something to do with the logrotate
<vetlebox> It can`t find slocate.db
<hayden> where can i get some gcursor themes?
<vetlebox> I guess the ubuntu install made a mistake or something.
<Myrtti> uulalaa
<vetlebox> Idunno
<Codyman> i went to boot up my comp this morning and after "starting ubuntu" appeared it panic: "Exec 428 chroot not found" "Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill Init!"
* sandwitch is away: gone
<Myrtti> now it understood that it would meet a XP install CD ROM if it wouldn't want to work
<Myrtti> and decided to remember that mp3-profile
<vetlebox> crimsun: Can`t you help me find a good sources.list? That would solve all my problems.
<caffinated> vetlebox: did you enable the universe repos?
<crimsun> vetlebox: your sources.list is fine.
<crimsun> vetlebox: just sudo apt-get install openssh-server
<Myrtti> I feel like a winner
<vetlebox> ok
<lrojas> hi all
<vetlebox> oh, thanks, but anyways, how can I fix my locatye.
<vetlebox> locate*
<vetlebox> locate could not open database var/lib/slocate/slocate.db  No such file or directory
<caffinated> sudo updatedb
<vetlebox> caffinated: Thanks man.
<caffinated> :)
<vetlebox> crimsun: Thank for the help.
<mirak> is there a way to force gnome to mount removable device in async mode ?
<lrojas> sorry to bother you guys with dumb questions but, i just installed hoary hedghog preview, and while following the unnoficial starter guide i did a sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla, got the answer back that no package exist... am i doing something wrong? or was that removed from hoary?
<ice_1963> lol
<lrojas> ?
<caffinated> lrojas: i was under the impression that you needed to get the plugin from macromedia
<dashnu> i just love the screaming guitar licks in chromium :p
<caffinated> i don't think you can get the flash plugin through the repositories
<lrojas> not according to this : http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
<caffinated> lrojas: well, i just checked mine, and i can't seem to find it
<lrojas> :s
<lrojas> hmmm
<lrojas> ok
<\sh> grmpf
<lrojas> so, there is a bug in the guide
<caffinated> lrojas: actually, try flashplugin-nonfree
<\sh> i have troubles with the pbuilder howto
<caffinated> lrojas: i just noticed it
<lrojas> ok
<lrojas> nope.. failed too
<\sh> i just started sudo pbuilder create --distribution=hoary
<caffinated> strange, i have it
<lrojas> should i add the repositories in that guide? perhaps thats whats missing
<dashnu> just go to a flash site and click to install flash ?
<PacoBCN> hi guys.
<dashnu> that is all i did
<vetlebox> Thanks guys, I`ll come back when I need more help ;)
<caffinated> lrojas: check your sources.list to see if you have repositories commented out
<PacoBCN> I have an application that suddently changed to english language and I want it to be in SPanish
<caffinated> they're not all enabled by default
<ice_1963> use synaptic
<\sh> and following the guide i could build packeges...so sudo apt-get install source bc ; sudo pbuilder build *.dsc
<PacoBCN> How can I do it?
<\sh> and pbuilder is complaining about base.tar.gz
<zanaga> ahha!
<zanaga> klogd is to blame
<crimsun> \sh: did you configure pbuilder?
<crimsun> \sh: you need to configure ~/.pbuilderrc
<\sh> crimsun, I followed the guide
<jazzka> hi!
<\sh> crimsun, documentation for this? in the guide there is only written about the pbuilderrc in /etc(
<jazzka> is there any program in ubuntu to know wich program are using the network?
<jalal_ubuntu> how to get full screen in mplayer ?
<crimsun> jazzka: ntop, among others.
<crimsun> jazzka: I recommend darkstat as a replacement for ntop
<jazzka> crimsun, darkstat is in universe?
<Fackamato> How can I reconfigure an installed package?
<crimsun> jazzka: yes
<crimsun> \sh: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto
<tck> im trying to add something to the Internet list under Applications
<tck> like, nautilus applications:///Internet
<spiral> Fackamato: dpkg-reconfigure package
<tck> anyway to do this with HOARY
<crimsun> tck: not via applications:///, no
<tck> anyway ?
<tck> wanna create an icon for an app
<crimsun> yes, you can create the .desktop file manually
<tck> dont want to have to type out the command each time
<\sh> crimsun, thats the one
<tck> crimsun, how do i do that?
<crimsun> tck: use an editor and look at an example .desktop file
<crimsun> tck: for instance, look at the one for rhythmbox (aka Music Player)
<lrojas> :'(
<lrojas> gonna cry
<Fackamato> spiral: thanks, but how do I reconfigure sendmail :<
<Fackamato> I want sendmail to use a relay server
<tck> crimsun, cool
<lrojas> i should have installed Warty instead of the stupid preview one
<spiral> dpkg-reconfigure sendmail ?
<Fackamato> didn't start anythinhg
<crimsun> lrojas: it's called flashplugin-nonfree.
<crimsun> lrojas: and it's in multiverse
<lrojas> well my apt cant find it...
<crimsun> lrojas: well have you enabled multiverse?
<munki> How can I convert several .vob files to one xvid ?
<lrojas> crimsun, are you using 5.04?
<lrojas> or 4.10?
<crimsun> lrojas: ~5.04
<lrojas> ok, how do i enable multiverse?
<spiral> lrojas: see your /etc/apt/sources.list... and see the faq
<crimsun> lrojas: either edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually and uncomment the multiverse line, then update && upgrade, or use Synaptic
<lordaj76> does anyone have tested kaffeine-0.5-1ubuntu1 ?
<crimsun> s/update && upgrade/update && install flashplayer-nonfree/
<lordaj76> it doesent start here
<ice_1963> that's right lol
<spiral> lordaj76: starts for me
<\sh> hmmm...looks like that one error is causing the trouble with pbuilder
<lrojas> hmmm, ok will try that.. asuming multiverse = universe as there is no multiverse in my sources
<lordaj76> [lordaj76@ubuntu ~] $ kaffeine
<lordaj76> Main: XInitThreads()
<lordaj76> [INFO]  If Kaffeine hangs here run 'configure --with-xorg' and recompile/reinstall.
<Myrtti> I llllloooove Ubuntu
<lordaj76> and it hangs :)
<\sh> he can't recognize the cdrom entry in the sources.list
* chibifs pets Myrtti. "So do I :D "
<spiral> lordaj76: I've got the same message, but this doesn't hang
<crimsun> \sh: you need to configure the sources.list correctly.
<Playy> http://www.playzero.com
<\sh> crimsun, the sources.list was correct, the default cdrom entry was the bug
<no0tic> \sh: sudo apt-cdrom add
<\sh> no0tic, i don't have the install media in my cdrom ;)
<\sh> after installation i'm using only net-sources
<crimsun> \sh: if the default cdrom entry was the bug, then obviously the sources.list was incorrect :)
<\sh> crimsun, no...normal updates etc. are ok.. he couldn't read the packages list
<lordaj76> spiral: i think i'm going to wait another release
<lordaj76> dont't know how to solve it
<\sh> crimsun, but this should be mentioned in the guild
<\sh> guide ;)
<crimsun> \sh: that's a local issue
<no0tic> \sh: <\sh> he can't recognize the cdrom entry in the sources.list
<\sh> no0tic, yeah, there is no cdrom media inside, so he can't read the list
<\sh> crimsun, at least :)
<hayden> whats the recommended partition size for /
<garrut> can i remove items from my window list?
<\sh> its always the users fault ;)
<\sh> it looks better now
<carthik> Hi, would anyone know how to disable a firefox theme, or go back to using the default, by editing config files
<\sh> yeah
<carthik> Ass that I am, i installed a OSX theme on my linux firefox, and now firefox wont start up
<Brunellus> any fluxbox users out there who know about generating menus?
<lrojas> crimsun, i am getting an error whith the repositories...
<wolki> hi!
<lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
<lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
<lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
<lrojas> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
<chibifs> Brunellus - Install the package "menu"
<chibifs> Or maybe it was menus
<Brunellus> Ah!
<chibifs> It has a script that builds a full debian menu in it.
<chibifs> update-menus or menus-update
<Myrtti> for the love of God, why does Soundjuicer rip the CD so slowly?
<chibifs> Can't remember which :P
<Myrtti> this'll take forever
<no0tic> lrojas: hoary-updates doesn't exist, it will be created when hoary stable will be released
<Brunellus> chibifs:  I have "menu" already
<Brunellus> how do I use that with fluxbox?
<chibifs> Then run "update-menus" or "menus-update" from a console
<Xappe> hmm, my sound card just stopped working yesterday when I put in another hdd...
<Brunellus> ok, I've just run update-menus
<Brunellus> now what?
<chibifs> Restart fluxbox.
<Brunellus> I did the restart from the fluxbox menu
<Brunellus> and no effect
<Brunellus> same three items:  xterm, restart, exit
<chibifs> Lemme look really quick. Maybe fluxbox doesn't like it or something o.O;
<hayden> is there an alarm clock gdesklet out there
<chibifs> Nope. I ran it, my menu is full :/
<Brunellus> chibifs:  what is your menu location?
<Brunellus> menu file location, sorry.
<chibifs> Don't remember. Might want to try installing menu-xdg as well, though.
<Brunellus> chibifs, please run fluxconf
<Brunellus> and tell me what the Menu file location is
<lrojas> ok, i fixed the sources.list, still get this :
<lrojas> lrojas@cortana:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
<lrojas> Reading Package Lists... Done
<lrojas> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<lrojas> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-nonfree
<chibifs> Doesn't have one set. D:
<thoreauputic> the recent fluxboxes have a script called  fluxbox-generate_menu
* Brunellus sighs.
<deFrysk> lrojas, universe
<lrojas> i have it uncomented
<Brunellus> dammit.  NOTHING.
<deFrysk> or is it multiverse ?
<scandium> multiverse
<lrojas> universe in my original sources
<deFrysk> add multiverse
<lrojas> deFrysk, where, how?
<deFrysk> in sources.list
<Brunellus> arrrgh.
<Brunellus> still nothing.  I can't work out what's happening
<Brunellus> chibifs:  how can you *not* have anything set, and have a fully-populated menu?
<nachtwind> hi
<Brunellus> all I get is "xterm" "restart" and "exit"
<chibifs> Default? :P
<Brunellus> if it's so default
<Brunellus> why isn't it running for *me*?
<admpell> hello
<chibifs> Like I said, try installing menu-xdg as well, it's a more recent addition to the menu scripts.
<Brunellus> I just did.  now what?
<Xappe> hmm, i'm going to install ubuntu on my second hdd instead of the first (as it is now, the first one contains both win and ubuntu). can I choose during ubuntu install to install grub on hd0?
<Brunellus> I'd be OK editing ~/.fuxbox/menu
<ice_1963> you can do it in synaptic
<lrojas> deFrysk, care to take a look? http://www.onedeveloper.com/sources.list
<lrojas> please
<Brunellus> but when I open it, there's nothing there--it's an empty file
<ice_1963> for flash player
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: which fluxbox version?
<hayden> how can i play an mp3 with rhythmbox from the command line
<admpell> For me, Ubuntu freezes when I have ACPI on and when I move my mouse
<deFrysk> lrojas, make it deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  uh, the one I apt-getted.
<ice_1963> ok
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: warty or hoary repos?
<deFrysk> lrojas, thats all
<ice_1963> hoary
<Brunellus> warty.  I'm running warty.
<deFrysk> lrojas, and add it also to deb-src if you wish
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: I can send you an up to date deb I made ( fro warty) if you wish - I think it will solve you menu woes
<lrojas> kay let me try now
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: others have used it with success
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  what will it do?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: it's 0.9.12
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: it runs a script called fluxbox-generate_menus
<Brunellus> that'll be nice.  according to synaptic, this is..err. 0.1.14
<Brunellus> yes. that's the script i'm looking for
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: yeah, that's ancient
<Brunellus> all the wikis/howtos refer to it.
<thoreauputic> Ok i'll DCC
<Brunellus> send the deb.  that'll be nice.
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: it'll be slow - Im on dialup
<phanter> How can I add a program to the Applications->Accessories menu in gnome?
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  no worries.
<Brunellus> so when I get it what do I run?
<trixisity> Hey all
<Brunellus> deb -i fluxbox-0.9.12
<Brunellus> ?
<trixisity> installed ubuntu 1 hour ago
<Brunellus> no dann
<Brunellus> dpkg
<Brunellus> right?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: just sudo dpkg -i
<Brunellus> that's right.
<Brunellus> it's been a while since I had to dpkg
<hayden> how do i open a mp3 in rhythmbox from a cmd line
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: just tab complete the name
<Brunellus> hayden:  use xmms :P
<nachtwind> hi
<nachtwind> is there any usable frontent for quota?
<hayden> that doesn't open it in rhythmbox
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: it installs to /usr/local/bin so it should be in your PATH
<Brunellus> hayden:  I was being only slightly facetious.  I don't use rythmbox
<hayden> i know
<lrojas> it worked, thanks all
<lrojas> :)
<wezzer-_> hayden: and when you open up that mp3-file and wonder why it doesn't play, type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad in to console
<Brunellus> thoreauputic: will I have to end the fluxbox session I"m currently in to install this?
<hayden> i've already installed gstreamer
<thoreauputic> hayden: if you just want to play one mp3, install mpg321 and run mpg321 <song>
<cusco> hi.. could any body help me? I have a datalink cable usb2 to connetc tou a mandrake or a windows machine
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: no, just do sudo dpkg -i  - of course it won't run 'til nect time
<thoreauputic> *nex
<thoreauputic> bah nrext
<thoreauputic> haha
<Xappe> :)
<gollum> How can i change directory for apache. From /var/www/ too something like /home/user/www/
<SeeleyUSMC> thoreauputic: That will actually let me play my mp3's?
* thoreauputic gives up
<thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: yes, in a basic way
<Xappe> noone that can answer my grub question?
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  OK.  that was painless!
<Brunellus> do I have to logout or can I just restart?
<thoreauputic> SeeleyUSMC: if you have  a dir full of mp3 s you can even run mpg321 *
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: you'll have to restart with a new session
<snk00sj-> can anyone tell me why my apt-get doesn't find a package fluxbox ?
<cusco> could anybody help me whit my usb2 data link cable?
<Brunellus> once I start the new session, I run the fluxbox-generate_menu script?
<Myrtti> would you happen to know if there are any "promote Ubuntu" buttons?
<cusco> snk00sj-: are you searching on universe
<cusco> ?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: and make sure /usr/local is before /usr/bin in your PATH
<snk00sj-> universe ?
<cusco> well yes
<Brunellus> OK.  thanks.  restart time.
<cusco> I don't remember where to set it...
<snk00sj-> i don't understand what you're asking me :)
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: I think you'll find the port install ran it already
<thoreauputic> *post
<cusco> snk00sj-: ask them... or hold let me see if I can find
<snk00sj-> ty
<scandium> snk00sj-, open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor and uncomment the two lines which end on "universe". to read more about ubuntu  repositories see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
<snk00sj-> ok thanks
<el_cristiano> Has anyone got a word for that big fat update for hoary im just downloading (413 packages updated, 16 new)? rc-release probably?
<cusco> snk00sj-:
<Brunellus> ok back.
<Brunellus> it certainly *looks* better
<cusco> snk00sj-: pico /etc/apt/sources.list
<Brunellus> I ran fluxbox-generate_menu
<deFrysk> nano
<cusco> snk00sj-: uncoment the two last lines
<snk00sj-> cusco thats what i'm doing now, with nano :)
<snk00sj-> yes, then apt-get update ?
<cusco> and to a apt-get update
<deFrysk> snk00sj-,  good :)
<cusco> yes
<Spooks> So, so far... I didn't have to install anything to get my modem to work/connect (it takes about 30mins with windows). Now my digital camera works without have to install anything too (Takes about 5 mins to get it working with windows)
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: is your menu populated?
<snk00sj-> i' learning :)
<Spooks> I'm in love. <3 Ubuntu
<snk00sj-> still nothing
<cusco> snk00sj-: me too !
<Brunellus> the menu is *not* populated
<el_cristiano> Spooks: :)
<Brunellus> I have "xterm" "restart" and "exit"
<snk00sj-> couldn't find package fluxbox
<Spooks> *all the typos in what I just typed
<Brunellus> I know fluxbox is minimalistic, but this is rather too ascetic for my taste
<echylo> hmm question, which OS is the base for mac os and exists for pc too?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: look in ~/.fluxbox/init and see where it thinks the menu is
<Xappe> echylo, BSD?
<snk00sj-> ok it were the first two lines :)
<Jesterace> bsd
<echylo> yes
<cusco> snk00sj-: are you sure?
<cusco> type apt-cache search flux
<echylo> openbsd?
<nachtwind> Newbie Question: I have an RPM file and i am su and in the right folder, but why wont rpm --install=webmin.rpm run the installation?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: there's a global one you might need to copy to ~/,fluxbox
<Xappe> echylo, iirc, yes
<tck> anyone else getting no sound from aMSN
<snk00sj-> cusco yeah, it were the first two lines :)
<echylo> ok
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: or point it at the global one
<snk00sj-> u using fluxbox also ?
<tck> started to happen recently, then i see a build up of sox commans in the ps list that haven't executed
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: it definitely makes a menu ( I use it here)
<tck> funnily enough they make noise when i log out
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  it's pointing to..../etc/menu-methods
<Brunellus> where should it point?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: the docs on fluxbox.org are useful
<cusco> snk00sj-: no
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: init is pinting there? weird
<thoreauputic> *pointing
<Brunellus> that might have been a carryover from my earlier monkeying around
<Brunellus> do I point it at ~/.fluxbox/menu
<Brunellus> ?
<Xappe> does grub install on the masterdisk as default?
<snk00sj-> ok it installed :)
<Xappe> or the same disk as ubuntu?
<snk00sj-> now need to find out howto load fluxbox instead of kde
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: have a look at /usr/local/share/fluxbox/menu
<scandium> Xappe, the ubuntu guided install lets you choose that...but it's using lilo, I don't know if changing to grub is possible already during install
<Brunellus> nope.
<lrojas> brb
<cusco> I can't get my usb2 datalink cable to connetc to another machine :(
<cusco> can anybody help me?
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  no menue in there
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: locate fluxbox | grep menu
<Xappe> scandium, ubuntu has grub by default
<Brunellus> thoreauputic no dice.
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: thet command *must* have generated output
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: type ` fluxbox -version`
<thoreauputic> what does that say?
<Brunellus> hang on
<Brunellus> got it!
<Xappe> scandium, i know that, because i've done several ubuntu installs since late october, but never on a second hdd
<Brunellus> problem with the init file
<Brunellus> solved.
<thoreauputic> OK
<thoreauputic> :)
<Brunellus> thank you superverymuch
<tck> whats the link to check known bugs before i write off a new one ?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: this version has some nice stuff like alpha transparency etc
<tck> ah found it
<tck> im half asleep today :/
<Taraxacum> hey
<Taraxacum> i just installed ubuntu but what are the root pass?
<mjr> Taraxacum, not set; use sudo with your own password
<Quinn_Storm> Taraxacum: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Brunellus> I can tell.
<Brunellus> this is actually pretty neat.
<Taraxacum> and when i can't access the net while i am in there i can read it on a doc from the cd?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: the menu is OK now?
<Brunellus> next thing is to add some neat stuff to the slit.
<Brunellus> the menu is OK.  it's very pretty
<Brunellus> just about what I expected
<thoreauputic> cool :)
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you have a wireless network card ?
<scandium> Xappe, Array7 hoary from 4 days ago used lilo for me ;)
<Taraxacum> nope
<Arcane> 'scuse me, but can Ubuntu support a Westell Wireless modem connected through USB? :\
<Taraxacum> i just need to do dhclient before i can use the net with i do as root you know
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, it shouldn't be too hard getting you on the Internet then :)
<mjr> Arcane, sounds potentially troublesome, but don't know
<Brunellus> cool, there's even a GUI menu-config tool!
<chibifs> Well that's a bunch of spoon.
<Arcane> It's really, really bugging me. Knoppix and Mandrake couldn't, and it's the only modem I -have-.
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: I installed a bunch of devel packages so I could build my own stuff when required
<Taraxacum> not really....but i still didn't get an answer to my question, can i read about that sudo in a document on the cd?
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you should look at network-admin it's a gui for setting up your network
* chibifs stabs Arcane with a fork.
<Quinn_Storm> Brunellus: what are you looking at? a new version of fluxbox? is it cool?
<Arcane> My spleen. :x
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, use sudo -s (enter your user password) to get a root console
<mjr> Arcane, it only has an usb interface, not ethernet?
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm:  0.9.12  ( i compiled a deb)
<Taraxacum> that's it? then i just change pass as usual?
<Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: ah, cool, I may have to look at that...though I doubt I'll leave kde for it
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, the root account is locked
<Quinn_Storm> Taraxacum: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Taraxacum> i know, i read there!!!
<Arcane> Oh, no. It has a Ethernet interface and a Network Card interface. I just don't have anything except a USB port.
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, Ubuntu does things a bit differently than some other distros
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: hoary has 0.9.11 in the repos, I believe
<Brunellus> Quinn_Storm:  I'm trying to get as much as I can out of a 4 year old box
<Brunellus> and while gnome 2.8 was fun
<bluefoxicy> gaim 1.2 is out
<Brunellus> fluxbox might be a better way to go, since I have fairly limited RAM
<mjr> Arcane, have you actually tried to configure it yourself or just tried if it works straight away?
<Taraxacum> so can someone answer my question now?
<Quinn_Storm> Brunellus: that makes sense
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: it is indeed
<Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: cool
<cisa> hi anybody
<Arcane> ... I've tried on Mandrake and Knoppix. I'm trying to find out if it works on Ubuntu so I don't use up another CD for nothing.
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you will have to install the help I don't know if it's included on the cd itself sorry
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: you're more up to date than hoary users on that fluxbox ;-)
<Taraxacum> will the damn root account always be locked?
<mjr> Arcane, well, frankly, chances are that if you couldn't get it working on those, you won't get it working on ubuntu either
<Quinn_Storm> Taraxacum: please read the page I linked you to, it explains the root account and locking
<thoreauputic> Taraxacum: use sudo with your user password
<Brunellus> I feel supernifty
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, you can unlock it if you want but sudo is the default
<Brunellus> warty is stable for me
<Taraxacum> i know i know but why can't you just answer my question?!
<Brunellus> and fluxbox is fast.
<Brunellus> yay
<tck> have a question
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, what question ?
<tck> sox isn't playing sounds properly in amsn
<Quinn_Storm> I certainly remember fluxbox being fast from when I had ancient hardware...though nothing is fast with transparency, lol
<tck> would i log that as a sox bug or an amsn bug ?
<Taraxacum> can i read about that sudo in a document on the cd?
<mjr> Arcane, but I have no way of knowing if that's because it just requires some tricks that you didn't know about or if it's inherently nondoable
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: you can turn it off :)
<Arcane> I seriously don't know, myself.
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, I said that I don't know if it is on the cd or not, you can have a look at the cd now can't you ?
<Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: well obviously, heh, even if not I could always just kill the compmgr
<^thehatsrule^> flux is great ;p
<zerovertex> Anyone got Skype? I just set it up under hoary and I need to test and make sure it works.
<mjr> Arcane, try to google around for your modem model and linux
<cisa> is there someone with an atar215 or similar usb adsl modem? i just want to know wether someone else has problems with compiling the drivers on kernel >=2.6.8
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: it isn't that kind of transparency - just pseudo-transparent menus etc
<Taraxacum> oh sorry i must have missed that then LinuxJones, just so you know you was the only one helpful to me
<Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: ohhh, ok
<Brunellus> yay.
<Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic: that's fine
<Brunellus> now for some dockapps
<Xappe> scandium, hmm, never noticed anything on a switch to lilo
<thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: it just has adjustable alpha for menus and window frames, and the taskbar
<Arcane> ... I've already TRIED googling around like that. It just gets me "Yay, it works perfect with my network card!" etc.
<lrojas> anybody has iPod working with ubuntu?
<jalal_ubuntu> hi all gotr a problem when i want to reboot ubuntu it freeze after displaying rebooting
<ubuntu> i cannot install hoary on vmware... it complains about not finding any partitions / harddrives
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, that's ok I only see an installation guide on the Hoary cd
<Quinn_Storm> Kenneth: well have you made sure there are virtual harddrives set up on your vmware virtual machine?
<Kenneth> i just used  the guide as usual
<Kenneth> works with other distros and with Warty
<keffo> tips of ftp-clients? i mean.. gftp sux, the queue cant be saved etc..
<Taraxacum> after i installed i felt like i was left out in the blue, cause i didn't know what to do after it worked, i couldn't connect or anything, don't you think it should be a guide on that too in the cd?
<Doomhammer> hi all
<malte__> is it possible to install ubuntu without getting all ofubuntu-desktop?
<Doomhammer> how do I shut down the X-Server?
<malte__> i want to use it on a server
<queuetue> Has anyone installed AMP and Asterisk?  Is there  arepository for AMP (Asterisk Management Portal) anywhere?
<Doomhammer> malte: sounds like you're in the same boat as me :P
<thoreauputic> malte__: short answer is "yes"
<Kenneth> Quinn_Storm, or do I need to do something special
<malte__> thoreauputic, long answer involves "how" i suppose :) perhaps the wiki has more info?
<thoreauputic> either "expert" or "server" (on hoary)
<malte__> thoreauputic, yeah, i'm installing hoary
<Doomhammer> how do I switch from graphical login to text-based login?
<Doomhammer> I'm running Warty
<keffo> tips of ftp-clients? i mean.. gftp sux, the queue cant be saved etc..
<jalal_ubuntu> plz how to resove the rebooting problem
<malte__> thoreauputic, that's all there's to it?
<Doomhammer> keffo: vsftpd
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, it is assumed that everyting works correctly after an install. www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start for information.
<thoreauputic> malte__: well, you need to have some idea what you're doing, of course :)
<Quinn_Storm> Kenneth: I don't think so
<Kenneth> ok
<Kenneth> :(
<Taraxacum> dhcp never works allright with loginservers it seems
<keffo> Doomhammer, i said client maybe?
<Doomhammer> oh :P
<Doomhammer> nevermind :D
<malte__> thoreauputic, i do ;)
<lrojas> are there any instructions to acces the Appel iPod mini from ubuntu?
<malte__> thoreauputic, thanks then, i'll go give it a try
<wasabi> Am I supposed to have /dev/inotify?
<thoreauputic> malte__: I don't ahev a link handy, but a search of the wiki and forums would find something, I'm sure
<Taraxacum> no matter what distro i tried i had to do everything manually when it comes to dhclient, login to the isp and find the info, but since i couldn't login as root here i couldn't understand what to do
<LinuxJones> Taraxacum, if you run network-admin you can set you basic network settings like dhcp
<janc> does anyone know if hoary preview live CDs have lvm support?
<janc> (knoppix hasn't it seems)
<Doomhammer> in order to have a text-based login, do I need to change the default runlevel?
<indiefusion> .
<Doomhammer> .?
<Glin|Jol> how would i go about setting up a root user in ubuntu?
<Doomhammer> glin: type "sudo passwd root"
<Glin|Jol> thanks
<Doomhammer> enter and re-enter the password, and you're all set :)
<Glin|Jol> been a long time since i have used any *nix distro heh
<LinuxJones> Doomhammer, no you can remove the gdm symlink in the runlevel 2 dir
<Doomhammer> Ubuntu is the only one that has root access disabled like that ... that I know of
<queuetue> Glin|Jol, Can i ask why you want to be able to log in as root?  sudo doesn't do it for you?
<Doomhammer> where might I find this runlevel 2 dir? /etc/init.d?
<indiefusion> during install of latest iso, i get "an error has occured while trying to install the kernel of the target system.  Kernel package: linux-386"
<LinuxJones> /etc/rc2.d/
<sig> sudo -s works fine
<Glin|Jol> queuetue: its not that i want to log in as root, its that i want to install packages, edit system configs etc
<queuetue> Glin|Jol, That's what sudo is for.
<sig> Glin|Jol: you can do that with sudo -s
<Doomhammer> indie: did you verify the MD5 sum of the ISO? possibly that package is corrupted, or something
<LinuxJones> Doomhammer, runlevels 2-5 are the same in Debian based distros which differs from Redhat based ones
<queuetue> sudo means "do it as the super user"
<Glin|Jol> yeah
<Doomhammer> Jones: yea, I was thinking I needed to change it in /etc/inittab, like I did in RH9
<thoreauputic> Doomhammer: to get tty login, you need to disable gdm ( update-rc.d can do that )
<Glin|Jol> but when i type "sudo -s apt-get install <package> it asks for a password
<queuetue> Glin|Jol, So, give it your password. :)
<indiefusion> Doomhammer, no, i will
<thoreauputic> Doomhammer: debian distros use runlevel 2 as default
<indiefusion> thx
<Glin|Jol> queuetue: my regular user password?
<sig> Glin|Jol: here if you want to disable that:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Doomhammer> thoreaputic: is it better to do that, or to remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d?
<queuetue> Glin|Jol, *your* pasword.  The password of the current user who is logged in.
<Glin|Jol> queuetue: ahh thanks
<Glin|Jol> sig: thanks for the link
<thoreauputic> Doomhammer: using update-rc.d is the "approved" way
<SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know where to find the Windows drivers for an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg ?
<Doomhammer> ah :)
<thoreauputic> Doomhammer: it's very simple - the amn page is actually comprehensible ;)
<thoreauputic> *man
<thoreauputic> can't type...
<Doomhammer> so I'd just do "update-rc.d gdm remove"?
<Doomhammer> it would appear so, according to the man page
<thoreauputic> Doomhammer: sounds right to me
<jalal_ubuntu> plz how to resove the rebooting problem
<tmorton> Hey, how do I use two mice w/ Ubuntu?
<Glin|Jol> also, i just installed ubuntu for the first time, this is also my first debian-based distro
<sig> Glin|Jol: then you need to use sudo
<Glin|Jol> how do i add/remove/update the .deb packages and sources on my machine?
<sig> sudo is for your sake
<sig> Glin|Jol: using apt or synaptec
<Glin|Jol> sig: yeah i am fine using sudo as root
<Doomhammer> now is it wise to remove gdm from the default runlevel while it's running?
<sig> synaptec is the gui version
<trixisity> Can someone help me, what would be the installation path of my browser, would that be /usr/lib/mozilla, or would that be /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox=
<sig> computer > system configuration > synaptec
<Doomhammer> trixisity: depends, do you have Mozilla or Firefox?
<indiefusion> Glin|Jol: sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get ugprade
<trixisity> well I have firefox
<thoreauputic> Doomhammer: those scripts run on atart up, so I think it's fine
<Glin|Jol> indiefusion: thats what i was looking for, thanks
<trixisity> but I also have a map that just says mozilla
<sig> sig@idaho:~ $ which firefox
<sig> /usr/bin/firefox
<sig> trixisity:
<Glin|Jol> sig: is there a way to view a list of currently installed packages?
<Doomhammer> /etc/firefox, maybe
<Doomhammer> /usr/bin/firefox would have the script to start it ;)
<sig> Glin|Jol: yes in synaptec
<Glin|Jol> sig: k thanks :)
<trixisity> Cause I'm trying to install a flash plugin
<thoreauputic> Doomhammer: you're not removing gdm, just the script symlinks
<Doomhammer> ok, gdm removed from default runlevel
<Doomhammer> thoreaputic: yep, that makes sense
* Doomhammer reboots his ubuntu box ... - hold on to your butts!
<thoreauputic> hmm reboot wasn't necessary - telinit 1 would have been enough
<Doomhammer> meh
<Doomhammer> brb, gotta run downstairs and check on it ...
<LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I think the symlinks can get re-added if the packages get an upgrade (if you've removed them with update-rc.d)
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: ah, didn't know that - how would one avoid that?
<toni^> is there anywhere a tutorial how to install mysql to work with apache2?
<LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I didn't realize either till jdub mentioned it one day
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: I know a way in debian, but the file isn't in ubuntu
<thoreauputic> there's a deafault dm file you can change to "false" - don't recall exactly
<Brainache> hey
<tmorton> Hmm...how do I reboot Xorg?
<LinuxJones> thoreauputic, Ubuntu really needs a service script manager, it would be a good project to work on but I think there are some underlying issues that I don't know about that would have to be dealt with ;P
<Myrtti> ha, funny how fast Thunderbird now loads
<Brainache> im looking for some help on how to configure and install a package
<Myrtti> Brainache: huh?
<Brainache> ive tried doing what it says on the ubuntu support page
<electricwheels> Good Day All
<LinuxJones> electricwheels, hiya
<Brainache> im a complete newbie at linux
<Brainache> please bear with me
<LinuxJones> Brainache, we all were at one time :)
<thoreauputic> LinuxJones: yes, even the debian types think update-rc.d is not a good way to handle things,apparently
<Myrtti> Brainache: what are you trying to do? install something?
<Brainache> i got a tar.bz2 file
<mattgirv> is there a way to make KDE (QT) apps look more like GTK2 apps when running in Gnome.
<artnay> Myrtti: since when have you been using ubuntu? I remember you're having some Citrix problems, are they solved now?
<Brainache> yeah
<LinuxJones> thoreauputic, yeah
<mattgirv> I love AmaroK but it looks butt ugly in GNOME :(
<Brainache> and i do configure, and i get an error message
<tmorton> Brainache, What's the error?
<Brainache> i can cp and paste the error message
<Brainache> one sec
<thoreauputic> Brainache: use the package manager
<Myrtti> artnay: no, but I went to my schools computer center and they said the problem might exist at their end with the servers
<tmorton> Do you have gcc installed?
<electricwheels> I'm looking to get some help with getting my computer boot windows xp and ubuntu, it boots ubuntu just fine but I can't get it to boot up my windows xp.  If I can't get this resolved I need to know how to properly and cleanly uninstall ubuntu.  Can anyone help me.
<Brainache> its not an Apt-get package
<thoreauputic> Brainache: if you're new, forget compiling for a whle
<Myrtti> artnay: I've used Ubuntu for... lemme get my calendar... for a month?
<Brainache> i downloaded it from a website
<Brainache> its a livejorunal client
<LinuxJones> Brainache, you can use tar xfjv tarball to extract
<thoreauputic> Brainache: what is it?
<tmorton> The error...
<Brainache> i extracted it with the GUI extractor
<LinuxJones> Brainache, sorry I missed that
<Myrtti> I'd seriously consider adding Debian repositories to your sources.list for a second, see if that LJ client is there and if so, install it from there
<Myrtti> but that's just me
<thoreauputic> Brainache: you would need ( at least) to install build-essential
<Glin|Jol> sig: it seems that i dont have synaptec installed on my machine, and sudo apt-get install synaptec results in a 'Couldn't find package synaptec' error
<Brainache> Myritt: How can i do that?
<Brainache> the error message was: checking for gcc... no
<Brainache> checking for cc... no
<Brainache> checking for cc... no
<Brainache> checking for cl... no
<Brainache> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: not good advice for a newb, methinks
<tmorton> Yup...you don't have GCC installed
<LinuxJones> Brainache, what app are you trying to install ?
<Brainache> heh
<Brainache> Drivel Livejournal client
<thoreauputic> Brainache: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<Brainache> thanks!
<thoreauputic> Brainache: you have no usable compiler
<LinuxJones> Brainache, are you running hoary or warty ?
<Brainache> warty
<LinuxJones> Brainache, it is available as a binary download in the Hoary repository
<Brainache> thoreauptic: ok
<Brainache> how do i get to the Hoary repository
<thoreauputic> Brainache: and drivel is in the repos for warty
<LinuxJones> Brainache, try enabling the universe repository it is probably available via synaptic
<thoreauputic> it is
<Brainache> ok, thankyou
<thoreauputic> Brainache: enable universe
<moder_> hello. I'm trying to run apt-get update but it fails to fetch some of the packages. Should I change the archive address to something else than http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com? I'm running Hoary :)
<Brainache> i think i saw something about uncommenting some lines somewhere to enable universe
<Brainache> is that right?
<thoreauputic> Brainache: /etc/apt/sources.list
<LinuxJones> moder_, get rid of the fi and use archive.ubuntu.com
<moder_> LinuxJones: ok, I'll try that then :p
<Brainache> thoreauputic: thankyou
<thoreauputic> Brainache: no problem :)
<thux> Hi, I have a user in Hoary who runs :(){ :|:& };: and then I have to reboot, how I can prevent that, easiest method if somebody care to tell?
<Myrtti> moder_: indeed, I doubt we Finns yet have Ubuntu mirror
<Myrtti> I've used the Norwegian one
<electricwheels> I'm looking to get some help with getting my computer to boot windows xp and ubuntu, it boots ubuntu just fine but I can't get it to boot up my windows xp.  If I can't get this resolved I need to know how to properly and cleanly uninstall ubuntu.  Can anyone help me ????????
<moder_> Myrtti: it was there since the install :I
<thoreauputic> Brainache: you can do it in synaptic in settings >> repostories as well ( might be easier)
<Myrtti> moder_: the fi-part?
<Myrtti> that's odd
<moder_> yep
<moder_> at least I havent changed that :p
<LinuxJones> thux, can you re-phrase that question I don't really understand
<electricwheels> I'm running the warty version of ubuntu
<Brainache> thoreauputic: ah yes.  im more used to the gui way atm
<thux> LinuxJones: hostile user runs that fork :(){ :|:& };:
<Brainache> ive been using ubuntu for all of about 30 minutes
<Doomhammer> does anyone use Certance's TapeWare software?
<Doomhammer> I just installed it, and now I need to restore some files from tape backup
<moder_> ok, it's working now, thanks :)
<njs12345> SeeleyUSMC: you here?
<thux> LinuxJones: ulimit doesn't seem to help
<thoreauputic> Brainache:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
<moder_> uh
<Doomhammer> but it doesn't know I have anything backed up, so is there another piece of software I can use to restore some files?
<moder_> no, it isn't :P
<Brainache> thoreauputic: great, thanks
<SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: yes I am
<LinuxJones> thux, if someone is runnign commands on your system you've been compromized. Disconnect the computer fromt eh network and do a fresh install changing all passwords and do a system upgrade
<njs12345> you wanted to know how to use your flash stick on the forums?
<thux> LinuxJones: shell server lot of users
<SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: I need to post there again.  I got it working last night actually
<njs12345> ah, I see =)
<tmorton> Where can I get the kernel source?
<SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: only problem now is this darned wireless Atheros AR5212 abg card that "works out of the box" :)
<tmorton> for Ubuntu...
<tmorton> I need it to build my WiFi card drivers
<Brainache> ok, on a whim, i tried running configure now i apt-got the build package
<moder_> are these packages vital: .../dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
<moder_> .../dists/hoary-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz
<moder_> .../dists/hoary-updates/main/source/Sources.gz
<moder_> .../dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz
<moder_> it gives me 404 not found on those
<LinuxJones> thux, who knows what the user has changed on your system. I would backup all of the logfiles (for examination later) maybe you can find out how he got access to your system.
<Brainache> and i got a perl error: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
<thux> ok
<njs12345> is it me, or is "aasink" the coolest video output gstreamer plugin ever?
<njs12345> I can view the output of my webcam in ascii :D
<thoreauputic> Brainache: not a good idea - use the apt packages (easier to remove, update etc)
<Brainache> ok, will do
<Brainache> thanks
<Myrtti> ok, one last thing to sort out...
<Taraxacum> back
<thoreauputic> Brainache: don't compile until you understand what's happening
<LinuxJones> thux, installing a file integrity checker like aide and running it as a cron job along with chkrootkit
<LinuxJones> thux, would be advisable as well
<LinuxJones> he left :(
<Brainache> ok, i will stick with packages
<thoreauputic> Brainache: there are about 14 000 to choose from if you enable universe - use the search function in synaptic to find things
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed_: you here?
<Brainache> i've enabled universe
<Bauhn> Can anyone here help me with installing VLC?
<thoreauputic> Brainache: did you reload?
<Brainache> did it from the cl (go me)
<Brainache> i just did
<LinuxJones> Bauhn, did you add the universe repository ?
<thoreauputic> cool :)
<Brainache> yep, found drivel
<Brainache> thanks so much
<Brainache> really helpful
<Brainache> bye!
<Burgundavia> what are 4 default fonts in firefox?
<Bauhn> LinuxJones, how do i do that?
<thoreauputic> Brainache: that's what we're here for :)
<moder_> LinuxJones: I'm having problems with installing VLC too
<LinuxJones> Bauhn, let me get you a link 1 sec
<moder_> even when I added universe by uncommenting those lines
<LinuxJones> Bauhn, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
<massimiliano> hello to all, I am Italian and would have need of aid...excuse for my english...
<Bauhn> LinuxJones, thx
<LinuxJones> Bauhn, :)
<LinuxJones> massimiliano, welcome what's your problem ?
<Bauhn> LinuxJones, and btw, do you know why i can't edit sources.list?
<Myrtti> are y ou doing it as sudo
<bniemczyk> Bauhn: are you putting 'sudo' in front of your edit command?
<Myrtti> or in sudo
<bniemczyk> like 'sudo vim /etc/sources.list'
<thoreauputic> Bauhn: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
<LinuxJones> Bauhn, you need to sudo to get root priviliges
<Bauhn> LinuxJones, aah *smart*
<thoreauputic> bniemczyk: I don't think he'd like vim somehow :)
<ahijah> dunb question... what is the location of the main kernal
<deFrysk>  /boot
<LinuxJones> ahijah, /boot
<thoreauputic> ahijah: why do you need to know?
<massimiliano> my problem is with the hoary distribution...cupsys-driver-gimpprint and ubuntu-desktop have problems with the dependencies...
* SeeleyUSMC is attempting to get NIC working with ndiswrapper
<massimiliano> E: cupsys-driver-gimpprint:  il sottoprocesso post-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 2
<bniemczyk> thoreauputic: bah
<massimiliano> E: ubuntu-desktop:  problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato
<bniemczyk> everyone should like vim
<Burgundavia> massimiliano: have you updated recently? There was an issue that got resolved
<LinuxJones> massimiliano, if it asks to remove ubuntu-desktop just ignore it, it's only a metapackage
<tck> has anyone ever commited a bug report ?
<thoreauputic> bniemczyk: but not when starting out ;)
<Burgundavia> tck: yes
<ermo> Could anyone help me install a .desktop so that it shows up in Applications/Sound & Video (hoary)?
<massimiliano> i have update today....
<vaijr2002> is there an easy way to install mplayer, and the codecs?
<LinuxJones> ermo, you run warty or hoary ?
<bniemczyk> thoreauputic: bah, i will forever disagree with that statement
<bniemczyk> ;)
<jalal_ubuntu> how to erase rewritable cd in console mode
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<ermo> LinuxJones, as I indicated: (hoary)
<thoreauputic> bniemczyk: ed! ed is the edtor! man ed!
<bniemczyk> lol
<thoreauputic> :D
<massimiliano> every time that I try to install a package gives this error
<Xappe> gah, my internet connection is slow today. trying to download the array 7 cd in 30 kb/s(!)...five hours for a simple cd image... :(
<bniemczyk> ed's a bit much
<LinuxJones> ermo, you are going to have to install a menu editor, it was jsut released yesterday
<bniemczyk> even for me :/
<bniemczyk> and i'm a masochist
<ermo> so far, I've checked the spec at freedesktop.org specs and looked in ~/.local/share/applications/ where I've placed my .desktop entry
<LinuxJones> ermo, let me see if I can find it for you
<ermo> LinuxJones, really? thanks a bunch m8
<mameluke> is it possible that there are Problems installing Galeon on Warty?
<mameluke> it' doesn't work
<Bauhn> LinuxJones, what should i do when i have installed the universe?
<thoreauputic> bniemczyk:  http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
<ermo> LinuxJones, DOH. Lemme doublecheck how it's done in /usr/share/applications (silly me)
<thoreauputic> mameluke: that's right - galeon is a problem on warty
<LinuxJones> ermo, >> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.1-1_i386.deb
<mameluke> i tried this one "dpkg -i galeon_1.3.20-1ubuntu4_i386.deb" thoreauputic.... thx for the info
<mameluke> maybe i must change to Hoary
<thoreauputic> mameluke: if you need galeon, yes
<Zane> Hello everyone.  I installed ubuntu yesterday.. got nvidia drivers to work.. now i wanna know how i can get my sound to work.. i have soundblaster 64 audio card
<LinuxJones> ermo, download and sudo -s to get to a root console, dpkg -i menueditor_0.1-1_i386.deb and meun-editor to run it .....has to be run by root user
<thoreauputic> mameluke: it isn't in the warty repos because it wouldn't build
<ermo> LinuxJones, is that because it edits the /usr/share/applications directory?
<bniemczyk> thoreauputic: lol
<Bauhn> I'm trying to install VLC, and LinuxJones told me to install the universe.. now i've added them to sources.list.. what should i do now?
<mameluke> thx, anyway... i dont need it realy thoreauputic, but i just wanted someting else as ff ;)
<scandium> Bauhn, sudo apt-get update
<thoreauputic> bniemczyk: I have that from one of the devs concerned :)
<Bauhn> scandium, thx
<scandium> Bauhn, then apt-cache search vlc and pick the ones you like
<thoreauputic> bniemczyk: oh - just realised - you looked at the link!
<massimiliano> Can i delete the two packages that give problems to me? (cupsys-driver-gimpprint and ubuntu-desktop)
<Doomhammer> how should I go about restoring some files from tape backup?
<thoreauputic> bniemczyk: heheh
<scandium> Bauhn, e.g. "sudo apt-get install vlc", most likely ;)
<massimiliano> will i have problems?
<ftwig> trying to do a make and it says  qpainter.h is missing.  This is part of the Qt library.  I have looked in synaptic and cant see what I have missed.  Any ideas?
<LinuxJones> ermo, no
<mjr> Doomhammer, depends entirely on how you went about writing the data there
<Bauhn> scandium, ok, i think i'll make this now..
<Doomhammer> I used Yosemite TapeWare
<bniemczyk> ftwig: do you have the -dev or -devel packages installed?
<mjr> sounds like you want to use Yosemite TapeWare for restoring
<bniemczyk> i don't remember the name...
<Doomhammer> but now, I can't restore it with TapeWare, because this is a fresh install of Ubuntu and TW doesn't know that I have ever backed up anything ...
<Doomhammer> it doesn't know that I have any media
<ftwig> bniemczyk: yes - think so
<ermo> LinuxJones, then why do I need root? If it edits ~/.local/share/applications, I shouldn't need root. In fact, it would be detrimental..
<mjr> well, find out how it writes the data, 'cause there's no one way of doing it
<scandium> ftwig, additionally to libqt3-headers you also need libqt3-(mt-)dev
<ermo> LinuxJones, but thx for the pointer
<LinuxJones> ermo, ;)
<Fl-i-nT> hi all
<massimiliano> LinuxJones, Can i delete the two packages that give problems to me? (cupsys-driver-gimpprint and ubuntu-desktop)
<Echylo> hmm how should I create a html playlist of my songs like winamp does,
<ftwig> bniemczyk: ive got libqt3-mt-dev
<ermo> LinuxJones, also, the newest version supports non-root editing, it would seem.
<indiefusion> how do i edit grub to rid it of unwanted entries?
<thoreauputic> massimiliano: ubuntu-desktop can be removed without problems
<thoreauputic> massimiliano: it's a meta-package
<ermo> LinuxJones, the newest is 0.2-1 (not 0.1-1)
<LinuxJones> ermo, he must have changed it recently :)
<ermo> 20th of martch, so yeah ;)
<CarlK_> is there some way to do "screen shots" of the console durring an install?  cuz this is sutpid: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/e/00008.jpg
<ermo> march even
<massimiliano> and cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
<LinuxJones> massimiliano, do you have an epson printer ?
<massimiliano> no..
<massimiliano> i have a hp
<thoreauputic> indiefusion: /boot/grub/menu.lst
<mirak> what means footing ?
<bniemczyk> ftwig: do you have libqt3-headers ?
<indiefusion> k, thanks
<scandium> ftwig, as I told you, you also need libqt3-headers
<ftwig> bniemczyk: yes, I already had them
<Myrtti> uulalaa
<Myrtti> I managed to fix my nvidia installation
<Myrtti> I'm good
<LinuxJones> massimiliano, there might be some drivers that you printer might need in that package gimpprint. You can always re-install if your printer stops working if you remove it
<thoreauputic> Myrtti: :) congrats !
<Myrtti> from now on, when referring to myself on Linux matters, I'll call myself as Ubuntu Goddess
<Myrtti> I love me
<LinuxJones> Myrtti, you rock !!
<Myrtti> life is good
<^thehatsrule^> lol
* thoreauputic bows before Myrtti
<massimiliano> ok thanks a lot...
<LinuxJones> massimiliano, ;)
<ftwig> bniemczyk: rclock.cpp:22:22: qpainter.h: No such file or directory is what I get
<Myrtti> this day has been full of good suprises
<ermo> LinuxJones, bad bad bad Travis Watkins. He hasn't included python docstrings *waves fist at mr. Watkins*
<Fl-i-nT> \o\o\o\o\o|o|o|o|o|o/o/o/o/o/o
<Echylo> hmm how should I create a html playlist of my songs like winamp does ? anyone ?
<Amaranth> ermo: ?
<airox> Am I blind or is cdimages.ubuntu.com running apache 2.1.3 ??
<Fl-i-nT> geez i hate this eyecandy stuff
<Fl-i-nT> but i want it lol
<Arcane> Any suggestions on how to get a USB modem working? >>
<Amaranth> ermo: I didn't do what?
<mdz> Myrtti: do we need to add a "goddess" tier to the Ubuntu community governance structure? ;-)
<Echylo> arcane, start with saying wich modem ;)
* Arcane sigh.
<indiefusion> thoreauputic, how do i make winxp default? (i'm dual booting(
<Arcane> Westell Wirespeed B90-220030-04.
<Echylo> indiefusion , just plave the whole XP entry above the ubuntu one :P
<ermo> Amaranth, ah it's you! I was reading through the code to the nice menu-editor you wrote. I just commented on how you'd not written a docstring for your menu library class :D
<SeeleyUSMC> stuNNed_: you there?
<Myrtti> mdz: naah, I'll settle for just calling myself with that name
<indiefusion> Echylo, hmm.....i don't have a winxp entry in there
<ermo> Amaranth, nothing more
<airox> indiefusion: Horray!
<indiefusion> rofl
<Amaranth> ermo: hehe, it's all pretty self explanatory
<Echylo> :D
<Echylo> euhm
<Xappe> indiefusion, well, add one
<Amaranth> ermo: MenuHandler is anyway
<indiefusion> it's there when i boot up
<indiefusion> but it's not in the file
<indiefusion> the ifle just ends saying "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"
<Myrtti> now I need to find out the correct refresh rates for this screen
<airox> :)
<Xappe> indiefusion, have you checked before the debian automagic thing
<Echylo> there should be an entry indie ;)
<ermo> Amaranth, yeah, it looks pretty too! I've a question though: Is the menu a system-wide xml-file which happens to be sync'ed with the current users' .local/share/applications/foobar.desktop entries?
<indiefusion> Xappe: lol yeah
<Doomhammer> how do I restore with TapeWare XE if I have a fresh install of it?
<thoreauputic> indiefusion: it's below that - scroll down
<ermo> Amaranth, (haven't read the whole thing yet)
<Doomhammer> it doesn't regognize that I have any media ...
<SeeleyUSMC> ath%d: unable to atach hardware; HAL status 13 <-- anyone know what this means?
<indiefusion> there are really no more lines after that
<thoreauputic> indiefusion: you should see comment lines like
<MM2_> does ext2 has some filesize limits?
<Amaranth> ermo: /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu and ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
<thoreauputic>  This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
<thoreauputic> # on /dev/hda1
<indiefusion> i may have deleted it in a freak delete key accident
<indiefusion> hmm
<indiefusion> brb
<indiefusion> thx
<samo22> does anynoe know is this is Mozilla Firefox 1.0.1 bug in Hoary ? I can't download anything .. it won't start it ...
<ermo> Amaranth, thanks. I shall promptly dive head first into menu goodness
<ggl_6> hello
<thoreauputic> samo22: yes, known issue
<MM2_> darn, that explains why my tarred backups are screwed...
<janc> samo22 : try downloading with right click & then save link as
<Amaranth> ermo: don't suppose you know what's wrong with the locales stuff? :)
<janc> as a workaround
<thoreauputic> samo22: try right click, "save as"
<samo22> janc: ok will try tnx
<ggl_6> does ubuntu use the same package system as Debian?
<JDahl> MM2_, I think ext2 has an 8 or 10 GB filesize limit.. not 100% sure though
<mameluke> hrm... i try to upgrade to hoary with apt... im following the instruktions on the ubuntu-wiki, but it doesn't works
<thoreauputic> janc: oops, sorry missed it
<Echylo> what's the problem mameluke ?
<Arcane> Eugh, I'm gonna reboot in Knoppix and try lspci -v
<mameluke> Echylo, mom i past in query ok?
<MM2_> JDahl: looks like limit is 2GB :(
<Echylo> www.pastebin.com
<Echylo> :p
<Arcane> THEN I'll start downloading if it won't work.
<samo22> yes tnx its working :)
<samo22> another question .. does anynoe have good apt sources link for latest sun java ..?
<calc> supposedly if you have LFS support enabled filesize limit is 8TB
<Myrtti> wowee
<Doomhammer> 8TB? wow ...
<calc> though i think the site i am reading doesn't know how to do math correctly
<Doomhammer> that would be a HUGE file :)
<calc> it said 2^63 is only 8TB
<calc> its actually ~ 8 exabytes
<vaijr2002> grrr
<ermo> Amaranth, are you planning, say, dnd capability where one drags a .desktop file onto the main Menu Editor window and it then automatically parses the .desktop entry so that you can insert it in whatever category you want?
<vaijr2002> why when i type cd /home/user/M<tab> doesnt it see the file thats there?
<Xappe> what's the filesize limit for ext3 then?
<samo22> vair: maybe have root privileges
<vaijr2002> hmm
<calc> http://www.linuxhq.com/lnxlists/linux-kernel/lk_9906_01/msg00001.html <- that should shed some light on what the limits are
<Absenth> Morning all
<vaijr2002> tried that
<vaijr2002> i am looking at the damn dir
<calc> but i think that is still using just 32bit size, not LFS 64bit
<Absenth> can someone name an apt package for bit torrents?
<vaijr2002> lol its /home/vaijr/Mplayer...
<Glin|Jol> i am trying to mount a windows partition using fstab
<_4strO> hi all
<airox> Absenth: Checkout http://www.ubuntuguide.org they have a nice howto about azureus
<Glin|Jol> my fstab entry is as follows
<Absenth> airox danke
<Glin|Jol> /dev/sdb1       /mnt/win_d      ntfs    defaults,ro,user    0       0
* SeeleyUSMC screams in utter pain at Atheros AR5212 abg
<Seveas> Glin|Jol, let me guess: unable to read from it as a normal user?
<Glin|Jol> when i try to cd into the directory after i have issued the command 'sudo mount /mnt/win_d' it denies me
<vaijr2002> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
<Glin|Jol> Seveas, heh yeah
<vaijr2002> go there glin
<calc> ah the actual limit in kernel is 2TB per file
<_4strO> how can i burn multisession Cds with nautilus-burn ??
<vaijr2002> worked fine for me
<Seveas> Glin|Jol, change default,ro,user to default,ro,user,fmask=0333,dmask=0222
<vaijr2002> just remember to set it up to auto mount on boot
<vaijr2002> brb
<Seveas> Glin|Jol, after making that change type sudo mount -a and you're done :)
<Amaranth> ermo: maybe
<janc> anyone can tell me if hoary (preview) live CDs have lvm support?
<Amaranth> ermo: that'd be close to the last thing i'd do though
<ermo> Amaranth, ack
<mjr> _4strO, you can't, which sucks
<ermo> Amaranth, thx for taking the time to answer, btw!
<Amaranth> ermo: I need to get it to work first. :P
<Absenth> Airox, is there a way to associate .torrent files with azureus so clicking the link to one automatically starts the application?
<Amaranth> see the forums?
<_4strO> mjr> are u sure ?
<_4strO> or u try with no success ?
<ermo> Amaranth, forums? (or weren't you talking to me?)
<Glin|Jol> Seveas, i just removed the defaults,ro,user entry and added umask=0222
<Amaranth> ermo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21048
<mjr> _4strO, yes, I am; I've been wrestling over that issue with the developers on bugzilla for a bit
<Glin|Jol> Seveas, is ther anything wrong with that?
<Glin|Jol> i can cd into the directory just fine now
<Amaranth> ermo: you are using 0.2, right?
<ermo> Amaranth, yes
<_4strO> oki thx mjr
<goldfish_> Amaranth: right click on a torrent, properties, open with >
<_4strO> :)
<mameluke> hrmmm... hoary doesn't include oo2 beta?
<airox> Absenth: keine probleme :)
<mameluke> >_<
<goldfish_> Amaranth: or something similar
<Amaranth> goldfish_: tell Alinux
<Seveas> Glin|Jol, you should not remove things, just add the umask/fmask things
<goldfish_> ahite
<goldfish_> lol
<goldfish_> meh
<goldfish_> Amaranth: sorry, mis-tab :)
<Amaranth> goldfish_: err, Absenth
<Glin|Jol> Seveas, i added the entry by hand thats the only reason why i removed them heh
<goldfish_> I hate irssi's bloody random tabbing
<jalal_ubuntu> how to change the open office language plz ?
<Glin|Jol> ive never had to add umask=0222 before
<mjr> _4strO, see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120384 if you're interested
<_4strO> :)
<Seveas> Glin|Jol,: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/win_d ntfs ro,user,fmask=0222,dmask=0333 0 0
<goldfish_> Absenth: right click a torrent, properties, open with
<Tybor2> hi people.... except ext3 what's the "best" filesystem for a /home partition?
<Tybor2> reiser jfs or xfs?
<Absenth> goldfish_, danke again.
<vaijr2002> i hate mysql
<vaijr2002> grrrr
<ermo> Amaranth, it *is* annoying that one has to log out, then back in to make the changes 'happen'. There ought to be a hook to 'update' the menu in the current session (which, incidentally, should be called when one presses 'save' in Menu Editor)
<sig> mysql is nice
<Amaranth> ermo: I don't think gnome-menus can do that.
<vaijr2002> i cant configure mysql gettin some mysqld sock error grrrr
<vaijr2002> sig do you know alot about mysql
<Amaranth> ermo: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes user overrides work, sometimes they don't. gnome-menus is very weird.
<tck> anyone else not getting sounds working in amsn 0.94-1 on hoary
<ermo> Amaranth, well, sounds like you thinkt that it's annoying too (it *should* be possible don't you agree?)
<Amaranth> ermo: It's possible in KDE. :P
<vaijr2002> is there a newbie guide to setting up mysql
<vaijr2002> something really simple
<jalal_ubuntu> how to change the open office interface language  plz ?
<thoreauputic> Tybor2: unless you have special needs, it won't make much difference
<vaijr2002> i need to make a database, and add accts
<ermo> Amaranth, apparently KDE has the menu thing down tight.
<ermo> Amaranth, I won't give up my gnome, though.
<Amaranth> ermo: They should, the menu spec is based on the menu system they already had.
<mjr> jalal_ubuntu, openoffice uses the usual locale settings, but you need to have openoffice.org-l10n-XX packages for your country code installed
<mjr> or well, language code
<vaijr2002> can someone help me with mysql pleeeease
<jalal_ubuntu> mjr, ok i'll try
<ermo> Amaranth, ... which also tells me that they engineered it correctly. The goodly gnome-devs have something to catch up to, it would seem. But they're probably plenty busy as it is.
<toni^> vaijr2002: /join #mysql
<vaijr2002> been there lol
<vaijr2002> they keep telling me to go to the site
<vaijr2002> i am pretty much a newbie to linux, and its all kinda confusing
<vaijr2002> hoping to get some nice person to walk me through it
<vaijr2002> i am just trying to install a program that needs mysql and i am kinda lost
<^thehatsrule^> install mysql?
<vaijr2002> its installed
<vaijr2002> but i need to configure it for a program
<^thehatsrule^> then set up a user/password according to your program
<vaijr2002> i dont know how
<ermo> vaijr2002, hate to say it, but there's probably no way around reading a bit, although I'm sure the reading you've done so far has only added to the confusion...
<vaijr2002> true ermo
<vaijr2002> i dont lean well by reading
<vaijr2002> easier for me to have someone show me or do it, and tell me what they did, or show me
<Tybor2> thoreauputic, thanks.... I've read that reiser could be much faster than ext3...
<vaijr2002> reiserfs is supposed to be awsome
<thoreauputic> vaijr2002: with that learning style, IRC is probably not helpful
<^thehatsrule^> Tybor2, for small files, yes
<Absenth> How well does Ubuntu run on a P2 266 with 128mb of ram?
<vaijr2002> lol thoreauputic
<ermo> vaijr2002, I know the feeling - sorry I can't help, I'm not much of a DBA myself.
<^thehatsrule^> prolly ok... Absenth
<thoreauputic> Tybor2: for certain specialised tasks, maybe
<mjr> Absenth, might be sluggish, but not unbearable
<vaijr2002> ok me gonna go try #mysql
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, think something like slackware or vector linux might be faster?
<vaijr2002> thanks everyone, take care
<mjr> Absenth, especially good that it has a 3-figure amount of RAM
<^thehatsrule^> yea...
<^thehatsrule^> ramdisk needs 100mb of ram
<^thehatsrule^> if livecd
<^thehatsrule^> but i think hd-install is much much better :P
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I'd be doing a full hard drive install.
<mjr> Absenth, still, you might want to consider using xfce4 instead of gnome; it's lighter
<mjr> Absenth, but you can try first if gnome is too slow for you
<Absenth> mjr that's a good idea.  I don't dislike xfce :)
<^thehatsrule^> fluxbox!
<^thehatsrule^> :D
<ermo> Absenth, ... and since it's gtk2, dnd mostly works
<thoreauputic> me too for fluxbox! :D
<Absenth> The only place I've used fluxbox was Knoppix STD 1.0
<^thehatsrule^> i like the gnome interface in ubuntu tho... somehow
<^thehatsrule^> heh its very light...
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I recently adjusted my FC3 install at work to look a lot more like my Ubuntu install.  I like the top/bottom toolbars.  and the organization of applications on the menus are the best I've seen on a default install.
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, Mad Penguin reviewed Hoary, and Xandros 3.0 Deluxe.  I think they're crazy for liking the menu layout on Xandros better.
<zenrox> i agree
<zenrox> i like the menu org.... on ubuntu
<mellinux> Hey fellas, is there a program or option for Ubuntu that'll enable two monitors side by side?
<ermo> mellinux, Xinerama
<zenrox> mellinux,  yes but you got to do it manuley
<mjr> mellinux, the X server can do that, but you need to configure it manually
<JDahl> mellinux, that's pretty standard in all linux distros
<mjr> does it echo here? :)
<mellinux> no kidding
<mellinux> wow
<zenrox> lol
<mellinux> that was quite a response, thanks
<^thehatsrule^> heh well Absenth, i normally use flux for most stuff
<mellinux> okay, so Xinerama = X server?
<zenrox> suse is the only distro that has a gui tool for it
<mjr> Xinerama is a feature of the X server
<zenrox> witch is also a ferture of nvidia drivers
<ermo> mellinux, a 'module' if you will
<mellinux> Sweet, is the X server in Ubuntu or do I need to download it.
<Zane> is there any rpm installer or pacjake manager available with ubuntu
<mjr> (though Xinerama is not strictly necessary for dual-head, most people probably expect a Xinerama dual head system when they think of dual head)
<mjr> mellinux, it's the thing you probably already run Gnome on
<ermo> mellinux, so, it should be there you see
<thoreauputic> Zane:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
<thoreauputic> Zane: that's what you need :)
<lrojas> hi all
<mjr> mellinux, see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/
<Zane> oh
<mjr> mellinux, substitute /etc/X11/xorg.conf for XF86Config-4 if you're running Hoary
<lrojas> i have a question, how can i refresh the media automounter in ubuntu?
<mellinux> I'm running Warty.
<thoreauputic> Zane: tha link will tell you how
<Zane> thanx thoreautic
<thoreauputic> Zane: no worries :)
<ermo> mellinux, I used the ressource mjr pointed to. What video card do you have?
<mellinux> ..but I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to installing programs on linux.
<zenrox> lrojas,  open system montor and end task the nautilus
<mellinux> GeForce FX 5200
<zenrox> it will re start
<arnaud__> does any of you know how to turn off ipv6 lookups ??? (especially in apt)
<mellinux> There's obviously 2 VGA ports on the back.
<SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone here use a wireless atheros card?
<mjr> mellinux, then, if you use nvidia's binary drivers, you might want to use nvidia's twinview feature, which gives you 3d acceleration (which, I believe, doesn't work with plain xinerama on those drivers)
<lrojas> zenrox, it didnt work...
<mjr> mellinux, see eg. http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2001-Jun/att-3012/01-TWINVIEW_README for that
<lrojas> perhapos if i explain my problem further...
<zenrox> lrojas,  dont know any orhter way
<zenrox> lrojas,  that be a good idea
<lrojas> i have an iPod, sometimes it gets mounted, sometimes it dont...
<mjr> mellinux, or http://alufis35.uv.es/spip/article66.html , or google ;)
<mellinux> Thanks, mjr.
<lrojas> basically i cant figure out why sometimes when i connect the ipod it sends the mount signal
<ermo> mjr, I just found out yesterday that the DRI ati radeon drivers won't go into direct rendering mode when using Xinerama, and thus, won't have 3D accel
<lrojas> and other times it dont
<zenrox> lrojas, it probly is getting mounted every time  just not in the same spot
<lrojas> zenrox, so i was wondering...
<ermo> mjr, did you watch formula one?
<lrojas> well, when it does get mounted i find it at /media/ipod
<mjr> ermo, yah, but X.org has "mergedfb" support for that, which basically does the same thing as twinview on nvidia
<mjr> no
<lrojas> so, i was wondering what subsystem handles the /media directory
<ermo> mjr, "mergedfb"?
<lrojas> to see if i can make it mount it
<zenrox> lrojas,  you can manuly mount it
<lrojas> how?
<ermo> mjr, does that imply running X on the framebuffer?
<mjr> ermo, essentially the same as xinerama, but the frame buffer is arranged to be one big canvas in the video card memory
<lrojas> is connected to the firewire port
<mjr> ermo, no
<zenrox> lrojas,  sudo mount -t filesystemhere /dev/location /media/ipod
<ermo> mjr, is it stable yet?
<lrojas> and how do i find what /dev/ is my ipod?
<mjr> 'course, there are limitations on it; eg. the radeons up to 9250 won't do 3d acceleration on over 2048 pixels (but stuff that stays within those bounds does work)
<mjr> (even if the total resolution is higher)
<mjr> ermo, yes
<zenrox> lrojas,  find out when it auto mounts it or plug it in and reboot
<ermo> mjr, so, you are using mergedfb?
<lrojas> ok
<lrojas> thanks
<zenrox> then look in the system montor agine
<mjr> ermo, yes, on hoary
<mjr> ermo, and I've played long games of nwn on it without problems ;)
<ermo> mjr, *yiippeeeeee*
<ermo> mjr, link?
<dieffel> hi all! Anyone who can recommand a good FTP-server with GUI for Ubuntu?
<zenrox> mjr,  another nwn player here
<zenrox> woohoo
<^thehatsrule^> proftpd... is the only one i know of - theres prolly a gui somewhere too
<thoreauputic> dieffel: why do you need a GUI for an ftp server??
<dieffel> i think its the most simple for me right now.
<^thehatsrule^> guess for adding users?
<^thehatsrule^> dunno, maybe he likes the point-click ;p
<dieffel> thoreauputic, what can u recommend?
<Absenth> What's wrong with point and click?
<dieffel> thats why i uswe ubuntu :)
<thoreauputic> dieffel: proftpd - but don't know anout the GUI part
<mjr> ermo, don't have a good one; google around. I can send you my config though if you like?
<Absenth> don't get me wrong, the command line is my friend.  but after a half dozen beers, point an click require less brain power.
<^thehatsrule^> haha
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know what the latest stable kernel is?  I need to to do my Madwifi install
<thoreauputic> Absenth: hehe - admining a server after 6 beers? *grin*
<Absenth> thoreauputic, what's wrong with that?
* ^thehatsrule^ pictures him giving full access to everyone ;p
<thoreauputic> nothing, have fun  :)
<ermo> mjr, sure thing. Perhaps just paste the relevant section in a /query?
<Absenth> heh....
<mjr> ermo, nah, I'll save some of the bother for you ;)
<thoreauputic> Absenth: can we have the IP for your server, so we can play too ?
<Absenth> ^thehatsrule^, I'm a lot more likely to rm -Rf /home/* after 6 beers then to give full access to everyone.
<mjr> ermo, I have multiple configurations there so don't get confused
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<mjr> the RadeonM one is for merged framebuffer
<Glin|Jol> i am currently using kunbuntu
<Glin|Jol> and i am having a real hard time editing my kde meus
<Glin|Jol> i use kmenuedit but noone of the changes i make are saved
<Doomhammer> guys, how do I get Ubuntu to recognize my IDE tape drive?
<thoreauputic> Glin|Jol: /join #kubuntu, I suggest :)
<Absenth> thoreauputic, I could give you an account on this machine if you like.  the chances you could get to it from there however are pretty slim.
<mjr> ermo, here's a somewhat relevant link too: http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/xorg-alpha.html
<bung__> anyone know of a neat way to have java 1.4 and 1.5 on the same box?
<thoreauputic> Absenth: yeah, i was kidding :)
<Absenth> thoreauputic, this one only allows remote access from one specific host on the external interface.
<ermo> mjr, what's that "Composite" thing? alpha-blending?
<^thehatsrule^> bung_, why would you need both?
<Glin|Jol> thoreauputic: heh thanks
<airox> ermo: and shadows ;)
<bung__> because I trust 1.4, but I need to use 1.5 for some practical :)
<mjr> ermo, oh yeah, that's the composite extension, which isn't just for that, but yeah, you can do stuff like that with it
<Doomhammer> how do I get Ubuntu to recognize my IDE tape drive, and have it in /dev so I can mount it?
<SeeleyUSMC> should I use the latest stable kernel?
<mjr> ermo, by the way, it's not suggested to be used with 3d accel currently, and is dubbed otherwise unstable too ;)
<mjr> I don't really use composite day-to-day, but I like to have it enabled if I want to test something out
* ermo gets the feeling that he's in for a treat
<thoreauputic> bung__: 1.5 seems to work OK here
* Absenth cheers!
<Absenth> finally....  my office is <20c
<Doomhammer> how do I get Ubuntu to recognize my IDE tape drive, and have it in /dev so I can mount it?
<LinuxJones> Doomhammer, this might help ?? >> http://www.aplawrence.com/Bofcusm/2043.html
<thoreauputic> bung__: ah, but I just have the jre
<bung__> I know it'd probably work
<Trixisity> Hey all, just new on ubuntu now for about 2 hours, how does one deal with rpm's?
<bung__> but I'd rather have the fallback.
<Doomhammer> LinuxJones: yes, however, I don't have a /dev/ht0
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Hey :)
<thoreauputic> Trixisity: one doesn't - ubuntu uses debs
<Absenth> Trixisity, I know there's some app that converts rpm
<Doomhammer> as far as Ubuntu is concerned, I dont' have a tape drive
<Trixisity> okay
<Trixisity> thanks
<thoreauputic> Trixisity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
<DarthFrog> Hi SeeleyUSMC, Good morning.
<Trixisity> just compile from scratch then?
<Absenth> Trixisity, I know there's some app that converts rpm's to .deb files, however I've yet to find an rpm that didn't have an apt equiv.
<thoreauputic> Trixisity: read the link above
<Trixisity> o
<Trixisity> k
<Trixisity> limewire
<bung__> Absenth: alien, I think it's called
<LinuxJones> Doomhammer, you might search google for makedev ide tape drive
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: according to the madwifi howto, I'm supposed to use the latest kernel, should I get the latest kernel from kernel.org?
<thoreauputic> Trixisity: for jave, read http://ubuntuguide.org
* Absenth reaches for his mouse to launch firefox, and realizes it's turned off and charging...  has been for a few hours...
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your kernel is recent enough.
<thoreauputic> Trixisity: I meant * java of course
<bung__> thoreauputic: I couldn't see anything handy for having both 1.4 and 1.5
<Trixisity> yes
<Trixisity> thanks
<plagerism> For k3b to handle mp3s what package needs to be installed??
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: so I shouldn't worry about downloading the newest kernel?
<bung__> gentoo has java-select for this, which is neat.
<thoreauputic> bung__: coudn't it be installed in /opt or something?
<bung__> there are a load of symlinks in /etc/alternatives
<AMIGrAve> is there a Aoss package in ubuntu ?
<bung__> but I'm not sure if there's an automagical way to manage them
<thoreauputic> bung__: update-alternatives?
<Absenth> I don't suppose anyone has a link handy for surround sound on an nForce2 motherboard's onboard sound?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Nope.  You can try getting the latest Ubuntu kernel via synaptic, though.  Make sure you do a Reload first, then search for linux-image.
<bung__> thoreauputic: never heard of it, ta
<Absenth> something that will hopefully work in cedega
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: k
<tck> anyone know where to get the w32codecs for hoary ?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I just got the latest and greatest madwifi and now Im reading up on it
<sal002> Anyone have problems with grub in warty after doing as apt-get upgrade?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: :-)
<sal002> I get a file not found looking for the -5-pkg-tmp kernel.  Only kernel found is -3 which segfaults
<DarthFrog> sal002: Nope, its worked every time.
<sal002> Hmmm...Is there a way to probe in grub to see what kernels I have installed (look at the filesystem)?
<DarthFrog> sal002: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
<sal002> DarthFrog: What kernel are you running?
<Absenth> Whoever suggested Alien as the tool to convert .RPM to .DEB was right on the money.  It appears to have a problem where it looses dependencies, which leads me to believe Apt or Synaptic is a much better way to go if at all possible.
<Glin|Jol> how can i search for a specific package using apt-get
<sal002> I can't boot into Ubuntu right now
<restrex> who knows a howto of the pearpc package at ubuntu?
<Glin|Jol> i am trying to install mplayer
<Smeve1> error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so <-- i keep getting that error
<Glin|Jol> and apt-get install mplayer says there are no packages
<restrex> I've seen it at ubuntu hoary.
<restrex> ?
<sal002> apt-cache search mplayer
<restrex> Glin|Jol you've to compile it.
<DarthFrog> sal002: 2.6.10-5-k7
<Glin|Jol> restrex: !!!
<Glin|Jol> arg
<restrex> Glin|Jol it's easy
<Smeve1> error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so <-- i what do i need to do to fix that
<sal002> Darth: Have you done an apt-get upgrade recently?
<Absenth> WooT!  that's the kernel I'm running.
<restrex> Glin|Jol you have to install some packages =)
<restrex> and compile it.
<arek> Glin|Jol: apt-cache search mplayer but there is no :)
<Glin|Jol> restrex: yeah i can compile
<Absenth> I do think the machine acts a bit snappier now that I'm running the K7 vs the noarch kernel.
<Glin|Jol> just surprised
<DarthFrog> sal002: I'm doing update and dist-upgrade daily.
<DarthFrog> sal002: Just did one.
<restrex> Glin|Jol what architecture?
<Absenth> Glin|Jol, did you add the universe and multiverse?
<Glin|Jol> restrex: i686
<sal002> Hmmm...why did it update my grub to point to some -tmp-pkg kernel
<Glin|Jol> Absenth: not that i know of, what is that
<restrex> ok
<restrex> install it from multiverse
<DarthFrog> Absenth: :-)  Well, at least you know that you're running a kernel tailored to your architecture.
<sal002> Can the install CD boot to a point where I can mount the filesystem?
<restrex> =)
<Absenth> Glin|Jol, /etc/apt/sources.list add the following
<Absenth> coming in a msg
<dolphy> what's the equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/iptables (Fedora) on Ubuntu? Which init.d script will load firewall rules ?
<wjesusaxl> hey guys ....
<wjesusaxl> I've got problems switching to KDE from GNOME
<wjesusaxl> I can't apt-get install kde-core..
<malte__> what's apt-get say?
<DarthFrog> dolphy: Good question, don't know the answer.  Do you have a firewall installed?
<DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<wjesusaxl> what_
<dolphy> DarthFrog: well i ve a big iptables file from my old fedora installation
<dolphy> DarthFrog: and i m trying to migrate to ubuntu :)
<Absenth> DarthFrog, would that command give you both KDE and Gnome as options from the login window?
<wjesusaxl> there are a lot of unmet dependencies
<sal002> My /boot/initrd is gone for -5
<malte__> Absenth, yes :)
<malte__> uhm
<dolphy> DarthFrog: iptables-restore < my_file works...
<DarthFrog> dolphy: Pull it over and write your own script?  Or load the rules from rc.local?
<Absenth> That's awesome....
<sal002> Is the live cd the only way I will be able to view my filesystem if I can no longer boot?
<DarthFrog> Absenth: It should.
<dolphy> DarthFrog: ok so there's nothing prepared for that then. I'll handle it myself
<DarthFrog> dolphy: Urk!  I didn't say that.  I said I didn't know.
<dolphy> DarthFrog: and for ip forwarding in sysctl ? Do i have to manually edit /etc/init.d/networking ?
<wjesusaxl> I have so many unmet dependencies
<sal002> And is there current a problem with iptables?
<dolphy> DarthFrog: ah sorry :)
<sal002> Alternatively, has anyone safely done an apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary from warty?
<DarthFrog> dolphy: I've seen nothing about IP forwarding.  You might want to google for it.
<dolphy> sal002: i just did
<LinuxJones> sal002, most everybody
<DarthFrog> sal002: It's safe.
<wjesusaxl> can't install KDE!!! help me out!
<LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, what's the problem ?
<dolphy> DarthFrog: i'll do. thx
<DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: Hey bud, I already told you what to do.
<wjesusaxl> but it didn't work
<DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<wjesusaxl> more unmet dependencies
<DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: What are you running?
<wjesusaxl> already done...
<wjesusaxl> ubunut
<sal002> Okay...I'll do that later today...warty is giving me so many problems ;)
<DarthFrog> wjesusaxl: Warty or Hoary?
<wjesusaxl> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<wjesusaxl> Hoary
<SeeleyUSMC> I can't seem to find out what the latest wireless tools version is
<LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, what files have unmet dependencies can you post them to www.pastebin.ca ?
<SeeleyUSMC> anyone know?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's installed.
<wjesusaxl> wait a sec
<sal002> Too bad I have to wait until I download the live cd to test it out.
<mdz> SeeleyUSMC: 27-1ubuntu1 in hoary
<DarthFrog> sal002: Why?
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: so 27-1 is the latest?
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: They'll do you just fine. :-)  That's not the problem.
<wjesusaxl> done
<wjesusaxl> http://www.pastebin.com/260645
<dolphy> DarthFrog: found it :) /etc/network/options
<wjesusaxl> that's when I tried kubuntu-desktop
<sal002> DarthFrog: I can't boot in.  Grub either gives me "File Not Found" or I get some nasty debugging message with -3 kernel
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your problem is that your mini-PCI Atheros chip doesn't seem to be  supported by the version of madwifi that you have installed.   I'm not really thinking that compiling from CVS will change that but lets give it a shot.
<Absenth> Alright, I've got Ubuntu Hoary on a 2400+, Xandros 3.0 on a 1900+,  what should I install on the P2 266?
<LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, yikes
<AMIGrAve> under firefox, the file dialog is not the same under debian (don't know if it's due to newer version or a gnome config) How can I use the same file dialog than debian ?
<sal002> Absenth: Crux
<DarthFrog> Absenth: Put Gentoo from Stage One on the P2 266. :-)
<wjesusaxl> What happened?
<LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, can you try to install kdebase kdm and see if it pulls down enough of kde to get your up and running for now ?
<DarthFrog> sal002:  did you bugger up your menu.lst file?
<zenrox> wjesusaxl, or sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<wjesusaxl> nop...
<sal002> Darth: How do I do that in grub?
<mattgirv> Hey I am running Openbox at the moment, but how can I get it to run certain applications when I start it?
<mattgirv> (I start it through GDM)
<LinuxJones> zenrox, there are unmet dependencies with kubuntu-desktop
<Absenth> ok, Gentoo is out of the question....  Portage is cool, but if I wanted that I'd load openbsd and have real ports :)
<zenrox> LinuxJones,  like what
<LinuxJones> zenrox, >> http://www.pastebin.com/260645
<Absenth> sal002, what's Crux?
<wjesusaxl> it's still not working :(
<sal002> absenth: crux.nu - small distro
<zenrox> LinuxJones,  thats odd
<LinuxJones> zenrox, I'm sure it will get fixed for him within a day or so
<Absenth> I'll be honest, the 266 will likely be used mostly for booting diskless to one of the other two computers via LTSP.
<Absenth> but it'd be nice to have an OS on it as well.
<zenrox> LinuxJones,  ya it sould be
<mattgirv> anyone have an idea?
<sal002> I would do Crux....or be more adventerous and do ReactOS
<sal002> Actually, if you don't need Linux - do BeOS
<LinuxJones> wjesusaxl, you should join #kubuntu and let them know there are some problems with the desktop package.
<DarthFrog> sal002: You can have command line editing in grub.  You can tell it at boot time, by editing the command line, what kernel to boot, where it is, what your root device is, etc.  The syntax is identical to what you see in /etc/boot/menu.lst.  You must first figure out what is going wrong (sounds like it doesn't know where your kernel is, should be in /boot) then tell it what to do.
<plagerism> Why doesnt K3B support mp3s in Ubunto hoary?? It doesnt even depend on libmad0??
<Absenth> downloading crux now, going to look at React in a min or two :)
<sal002> DarthFrog: Yep - but I need to know which kernel to boot - and I don't know what is on the system without booting into Linux - which I cannot do.  Catch-22
<Absenth> sal002, where does one aquire a working iso of beos these days?  I've looked and never come across one.
<plagerism> Is there any other good burning software that supports mp3s in Hoary??
<sal002> bebits.com
<zenwhen> plagerism, yes
<Xappe> plagerism, graveman and/or gnomebaker
<zenwhen> graveman
<zenwhen> beaten
<zenwhen> graveman is great
<sal002> Absenth: http://www.bebits.com/app/3148
<plagerism> So is there actually a reason why K3B doesnt support mp3s in HOary??  Or is that just a mistake??
<DarthFrog> sal002: You can boot the live CD and look at the file system.  You can edit menu.lst so that it's correct and grub should then boot your system properly.  Unlike LILO, grub doesn't need anything more to process changes in its config file.
<zenwhen> K3b supports mp3's on my system
<Hannes_> can I mount a EXT2 partition from livecd?
<zenwhen> wait maybe it doesnt
<plagerism> okay then perhaps its just the Amd64 port
<Absenth> sal002, Danke
<vordul> plagerism - Could it be because of copyright reasons?
<zenwhen> who needs it when you can use graveman
<plagerism> zenwhen if its good then I wont complain, I just like k3b its a good solid all-in-one
<HillTop> The famous fork bomb was mentioned in the news and Debian was not effected (servives).  http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308   Do I dare try it on Hoary?
<DarthFrog> plagerism: Like your nick, MP3 are not free. :-)  You can get MP3 support from the Multiverse repository.
<DarthFrog> HillTop: Go for it!  Let us know if you survive. :-)
<calc> HillTop: someone in the thread about that claimed that debian was effected as well and the author just didn't test it, so try at your own risk ;)
<wonderone> can anyone tell me why some upgrades with hoary cause the system to become slow and sluggish? I'm experiencing it now, and have done in the past.
<DarthFrog> wonderone: Use top as a diagnostic tool.
<elshadii> I'm trying to find a how to that will explain the steps to get a root account in ubuntu can someone help?
<calc> i do know in the past i have taken debian down with a fork bomb but that was several years ago
<DarthFrog> elshadii: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
<elshadii> ok thank you!!
<wonderone> DarthFrog, which stat should I look at? I dont see any out of control processes
<HillTop> DarthFrog, Aaak, Actually I'm not in Hoary now (pclinuxos) but I might just try it in the live CD next time it is up.
<DarthFrog> wonderone: Keep monitoring.  Get to know what's going on, on your system.
* wland re
<wonderone> hard to find, when i dont know what i'm looking for though.and i've not installed anything new, only upgraded. so i assume it's a broken program or something
<gasteiz23> hi
<mattgirv> Can someone help me with the GDM Xsession files, I have Openbox and would like to launch more than Openbox, when choosing that through GDM... I have the Openbox.desktop file open, and there is Exec=openbox, can I add commands to this?
<Dr_Aevil> hi guys - I notice that alsaconf seems to be missing from the alsa packages provided by ubuntu in hoary - what do you use in ubuntu to configure alsa? or are you reduced to editing /etc/modlues.conf, /etc/modprobe.conf, I think it's /etc/modprobe.d/* in hoary?
<LinuxJones> Dr_Aevil, manually editing :(
<odie5533> Can you change your mouse cursor on Gnome?
<Dr_Aevil> LinuxJones: ah, ok thanks - just wanted to check before I spent any time when there is a nice config tool I just hadn't noticed :)
<LinuxJones> ;)
<Dr_Aevil> my housemate has installed ubuntu and he wants his nice 5.1 surround working - he's trying to get the nforce drivers to work, but it loads the intel ones in preference; I shall go make it load nvsound now :)
<Spooks> Someone explain to this newb how I install this updated version of Firefox now I've downloaded it please?
<DarthFrog> Spooks: Where did you get it from?
<mattgirv> Spooks: Are you running Warty then.
<Spooks> The official site
<Spooks> I am, yes
<mattgirv> Because if you are I suggest you just add the Backports Repos,
<mattgirv> That would probably be the safest bet to get Firefox 1
<Spooks> That went straight over my head
<mattgirv> www.ubuntuforums.org
<DarthFrog> mattgirv: Do you have a URL for backports?
<odie5533> Is it possible to change the cursor on Ubuntu Gnome?
<mattgirv> Yeah one sec, I will get you a direct link
<mattgirv> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47
<mattgirv> :)
<zenrox> odie5533,  get gcurser
<zenrox> gcursor
<zenrox> for the repos
<sal002> I'll try out the livecd
<zenrox> from
<indiefusion> I'm having trouble getting my Envy24 sound card (driver snd-ice1724) working.  When I modprobe, I get no errors, but Ubuntu will not detect it.  It shows up in lspci
<phxguy> Can anyone here Help a newbie with installing the nvidia drivers....
<odie5533> downloading
<zenrox> phxguy,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
<DarthFrog> Spooks:  What mattgirv means, is don't install the software that you downloaded.  Instead, use the Ubuntu package manager (Synaptic) to get it from the backports repository (read the URL he just posted).  It's best to not put software on your system except through the package mangement system.
<punkrockguy318> Is there any way I can write a script to change all my GNOME default font sizes?  I want a quick way to change my fonts sizes for when i'm in front of the computer or far away...
<mattgirv> DarthFrog and Spooks if you check this site out as well : http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ it will tell you everything
<phxguy> zenrox,  Im there now but for some reason i get an error when i enter the command from the root terminal nautilus applications:///System
<encKe`> Ubuntu as a server......  any comments?
<zenrox> that doent work in hoary
<zenrox> phxguy,
<phxguy> zenrox, It says :applications:///System is not a valid location.:
<mattgirv> Yeah they got rid of that I think, in Gnome 2.10
<zenrox> phxguy,  ya thats broke in hoary
<DarthFrog> mattgirv: Thanks.  I've added it to my list of helpful URLs. :-)
<zenrox> phxguy,  but the rest works
<phxguy> zenrox, Any workarounds???
<mattgirv> DarthFrog: No probs, in all honesty, I would give the Hoary Preview Release a go, its very stable for me :)
<mattgirv> (but it might not be for you, but its definately worth a try anyway :P)
<zenrox> phxguy,  get the gnome menu editor and add it to the menu manuley
<phxguy> zenrox, so should I just skip that command and move on???
<zenrox> phxguy,  yep
<DarthFrog> mattgirv: hehe, I've been running it for quite a while.  You and I were both trying to help a newbie.
<mattgirv> phxguy: A good menu editor is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705 :)
<zenrox> mattgirv,  is right that one works
<DarthFrog> Spooks: Also have a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
<phxguy> mattgirv, I tried installing that last night and couldn't get it to install
<mattgirv> zenrox, yeah I like that one, but you cannot delete entries, still miles better than nothing :D
<mattgirv> phxguy, you downloaded and then did an "alien -i packagename.i386.deb" ?
<phxguy> yup
<zenrox> mattgirv,  agreed
<mattgirv> hmm strange, worked for me
<phxguy> thats is what I did mattgirv
<Trixisity> What kinda P2P programs do any of you use?
<mattgirv> what went wrong?
<phxguy> i can try it again....
<mattgirv> yeah, tell me if it gives any errors
<zenrox> Trixisity,  limewire
<plagerism> graveman I like, its exactly what I was looking for.  Thank yo
<Xappe> Trixisity, linuxdcpp for direct connect (and sometimes valknut)
<mattgirv> Limewire Pro here, very nice imo :)
<Trixisity> how did you install that on ubuntu zenrox?
<mattgirv> I have heard, erm I forgot its name lol, but it supports basically ALL the p2p networks, couldnt get it working well though :(
<zenrox> Trixisity,  www.ubuntuguide.org
<mattgirv> And it had an awful interface.
<Xappe> oh, I read peer to peer
<Trixisity> where can I find an APT package?
<Trixisity> yes I've been to that side
<plagerism> mattgirv edonkey
<mattgirv> Hmm,
<plagerism> it made no sense
<zenrox> Trixisity, its on that site and how to install it
<mattgirv> Might of been edonkey,
<Trixisity> ow missed that tnx alot zenrox
<plagerism> it was if you are talking about terrible interface, I could never get it to work
<encKe`> how many chans are you allowed to join on Freenode??
<mattgirv> plagerism, lol :P
<roey> hi
<thoreauputic> encKe`: as many as you like , AFAIK
<zenrox> hello roam
<roey> [13:56]  <roey> what's kubuntu's default root password
<roey> [13:56]  <roey> I try the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
<zenrox> err roey
<roey> [13:56]  <billytwowilly> there is no root password.
<roey> [13:57]  <roey> but there apparently is a password set.
<roey> hmm?
<encKe`> hmmm....... mine wont get past 4
<encKe`> dont see anyting in xchat to change it
<phxguy> mattgirv, Wierd Seems to install okay that time....
<punkrockguy318> does a dualdesktop work smoothly with ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop?
<alican> Hi all
<mattgirv> phxguy, lol :)
<DarthFrog> punkrockguy318: Yes
<punkrockguy318> DarthFrog, what DM would be used? gdm? kdm?
<DarthFrog> punkrockguy318: Could use either.
<DarthFrog> punkrockguy318: You can set it to use the one you want.
<punkrockguy318> alright
<Absenth> anyone here a Cedega user?
<Spooks> k, added the lines explained to sources.list, but I can't save. Any ideas?
<punkrockguy318> Absenth, yes, why?
<mattgirv> Does anyone know how I can get Openbox to start pypanel and torsmo when I load it through GDM?
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, what file system to you use?
<punkrockguy318> Absenth, reiserfs
<phxguy> mattgirv, I have another question.... When i throw something in the trash.... it doesn't show up there....
<DarthFrog> Spooks: Did you do it via sudo?  You have to have root priviliges for that.
<phxguy> mattgirv, but if i goto .Trash it is showing there....
<Spooks> ah
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, is there a pretty visable performance gain over ext3?
<Tilos> Should I try Warty or Hoary? (Does Warty have Gnome 2.8?)
<punkrockguy318> i doubt it
<mattgirv> phxguy, hmm, I had a sort of problem similar, it was to do with one bin being called something else, like one was called Trash , and the other Trashbin
<mattgirv> Like it was some sort of redundant feature, I assume it was a bug though :/
<alican> hi I just installed Kubuntu .. my 2.eth card is Davicom and uses tulip now. but I want to use dmfe driver . both tulip and dmfe is in lsmod list.. How can I make eth1 use dmfe instead of tulip and remove tulip driver
<DarthFrog> Spooks: You can also do it via Synaptic.  Settings/Repositories.
<Spooks> I tried, it keeps disappearing
<Xappe> Tilos, warty: gnome 2.8, Hoary: gnome 2.10
<Spooks>  :\
<phxguy> mattgirv, did you get it fixed??
<Tilos> Xappe: Thanks.
<mattgirv> Well all it was, was that a Trash Bin had appeared on my desktop, the tray bin was still working fine
<DarthFrog> alican: If it's a tulip chipset, then the dmfe driver won't work.  dmfe is for the Davcom chipset.
<mattgirv> :)
<thoreauputic> Spooks: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , save and quit
<phxguy> mattgirv, yeah i went to the configuration editor and check the box to show the desktop... it shows but doesn't update when item are sent there
<phxguy> ....and neither does the one in the bottom panel
<alican> darkling,  I know it works with dmfe and doesnt work with tulip.. I am sure (from other dists.) I just wantto know how can I edit kernel modules and assign drivers to devices
<mattgirv> Hmm that is strange, I am afraid I don't know why that is :(
<phxguy> well thanks for your help on the nvidia thing.. =)
<phxguy> It says i need to restart X... suppose Ill do that now
<mattgirv> Heh
<mattgirv> ctrl + alt + backspace
<mattgirv> Does anyone know how I can get Openbox to start pypanel and torsmo when I load it through GDM?
<alican> DarthFrog, I know it works with dmfe and doesnt work with tulip.. I am sure (from other dists.) I just wantto know how can I edit kernel modules and assign drivers to devices
<Spooks> Oh wow. I'm starting to understand this now. I can see how it fits together. Thanks guys
<thoreauputic> mattgirv: make a file   ~/.xsession , put the apps you want to start on separate lines with & , the last line just  openbox ( no &)
<mattgirv> But won't that exec them apps, regardless of the WM/DE i choose?
<thoreauputic> mattgirv: then choose system session in gdm
<mattgirv> I only want them to load with Openbox
<Yomic> Where do the drivers for USB connected WiFi devices go?
<DarthFrog> alican: you would do that in /etc/modules.d. Create a file called whatever you want and add the line "alias eth0 dmfe". Then reboot.
<thoreauputic> mattgirv: .xsession is only used by the "system sessioN"
<mattgirv> oki
<thoreauputic> or whatever gdm calls it
<DarthFrog> Spooks: Good stuff!  Have fun & welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)
<alican> DarthFrog, ok then how can I remove tulip module .. I do not want it to be loaded at boot
<DarthFrog> alican: /etc/modutils, sorry, not modules.d
<\sh> straw : module gtkhtml2 not found
<\sh> and I can't find a package for python gtkhtml2
<Spooks> hehe :p
<DarthFrog> alican: Find the module in the lib/modules/ hierarchy and rename it. :-)
<thoreauputic> \sh: try sudo apt-get install liferea - very similar to straw
<mattgirv> Thanks so much thoreauputic :)
<mattgirv> Worked a charm heh.
<odie5533> Where do people normally put desktop backgrounds/splash screens?
<wezzer> backgrounds can be put anywhere
<thoreauputic> mattgirv: no wories :)
<odie5533> But is there a standard place to put them?
<wezzer-_> not really
<wezzer-_> I have them at /home/antti/photos
<ThePfhor> I just have a folder ~/Pictures, but the OS doesn't care
<\sh> thoreauputic, well..i hope its just usable like akregator
<wezzer-_> ... where are my other photos also
<thoreauputic> \sh: I've used both - they both work fine, and look very similar
<\sh> and its not in the tree
<supos> Is the firefox icons supposed to look the way they do in Hoary? (Is this a bug or a feature?)
<supos> s/is/are
<\sh> lol
<\sh> liferea
<thoreauputic> \sh: the tree?
<Taraxacum> what was the page again for the sudo root thing?
<\sh> thoreauputic, have it
<thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view?searchterm=sudo%20root
<snk00sj-> does ubuntu have nvidia drivers in it ?
<snk00sj-> trying to manually compile the nvidia drivers, but it's being a pain in my **
<snk00sj-> :)
<Absenth> snk00sj-, yes.  Easiest way to install the accellerated drivers is through synaptic
<snk00sj-> ah thats good to hear
<Trixisity> while installing Java jre I get this message, ot@Italjet:/home/tristan # sudo chown -R root:root /usr/java/jrel.5.0_01/
<Trixisity> chown: failed to get attributes of `/usr/java/jrel.5.0_01/':
<Trixisity> what's that?
<MidnightDevil> hi! :)
<^thehatsrule^> lo
<MidnightDevil> how do i install nvidia using apt-get ?
<^thehatsrule^> theres docs
<DoppelGanger> tee hee hee
<^thehatsrule^> ahem... DoppelGanger from RO?
<mdz> MidnightDevil: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<mdz> two easy steps
<^thehatsrule^> yea that one ;p
<geneo93> need a little help with update
<geneo93> keeps hanging on kde stuff
<MidnightDevil> thanx mdz
<Absenth> geneo93, did you add the universe and multiverse stuff to your sources.list
<geneo93> oh yes
<Absenth> hmmmm.....
<alican> can I install nvidia-glx in init5 ??
<geneo93> i can paste first few lines
<odie5533> How do I create a link to a folder?
<Absenth> odie5533, ln -s source dest
<geneo93> allready did the -ff install
<geneo93> and the dpkg -- reconfig
<odie5533> ty
<geneo93> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
<geneo93> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
<geneo93>   kaddressbook: Depends: libkcal2a (>= 4:3.4.0) but it is not installed
<Absenth> odie5533, also you can right click, and "make link"
<Yomic> Can someone help me manually configure a USB connected WiFi device?
<odie5533> ah
<zenwhen> what model
<DarthFrog> Yomic: Perhaps.  Is it detected?
<Yomic> Yes, but it is unknown
<Yomic> (And more than likely not supported.
<Yomic> )*
<DarthFrog> Yomic: Does it get a network interface?  what does ifconfig tell you?
<Absenth> geneo93, I'm sure someone here can help, unfortunatly I'm not that someone.
<Glin|Jol> anyone here know how to get mplayer to not have the window border at the top when playig movies?
<punkrockguy318> does ubuntu support wireless mice and keyboards? how easy would the installation of one be?
<Yomic> But I have the drivers; I don't know where they go though.
<Glin|Jol> this is not the gui version
<DarthFrog> Yomic: What are the drivers?
<Yomic> I have no connection with that PC.
<jk> punkrockguy318: mostly 'just works [tm] '
<Yomic> Different .CAB and .bin files
<punkrockguy318> jk, awesome, so i just plug them in and i'm good to go?
<jk> punkrockguy318: yup
<DarthFrog> Yomic: Those are Windows files.
<Yomic> I know.
<Yomic> I only have access to the Windows drivers.
<DarthFrog> Yomic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, I'm running a wireless Logitech MX1000, it worked for basic wheel mouse functionality outta the gate.
<Fleebailey33> gtg
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, I configured the forward and back keys with (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons)
<Yomic> Yes, I have an .inf file.
<punkrockguy318> that's great!
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, and for multimedia keys on the keyboard (ie vol, mute, etc) I found a howto somewhere, it was super simple.
<punkrockguy318> ubuntulinux has the nicest hardware detection i've seen in any distro
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, I'll see if I can find that for you as well.
<punkrockguy318> Absenth, yeah, i set them up on my friends machine.. it's just in system->preference->keyboard shortcuts
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, that's the one :)
<Yomic> Crap, I don't have internet connection so I cannot download the ndiswrapper >_<
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, the only key that doesn't work on my mouse is the task switching button, which is useless as hell anyway :)
<sal002> Do I need the initrd to boot?
<punkrockguy318> hey
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, oh, and the right/left wheel movement.
<DarthFrog> Yomic: It might be already installed.
<punkrockguy318> Absenth, did that work oob?
<Yomic> I hope.
<rwabel_> hi
<Yomic> I'm on Warty, fresh from the CD
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, doesn't work at all right now.  oob was up down, right, left click, and mvoement.
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, the link I posted, got my browser forward and backward working.
<rwabel_> I still have problems with locales with special characters. whenever I'm in X mode (gnome, kde, xfce etc) special characters are displayed wrong (invalid encoding). anyone has an idea?
<Absenth> punkrockguy318, the rest of the functions of my mouse I didn't use in winderz anyway so it's not a huge loss.
<zenrox> ho do i get this line to match up for whare that is in ubuntu  if ( -e "${procloc}/sys/dev/sensors" && file_executable("sensors") == 1) {
<tsume> Absenth: what is winderz?
<tck> anyone got xmms working with hoary ?
<zenrox> casue that dont exist
<tsume> tck: works fine
<zenrox> and i do have sensors and gkrellm displays them
<tck> tsume, no matter what i try, wont work, any suggestions
<tsume> tck: if you installed gnome, you most likely are using esd, download xmms-esd
<Absenth> tsume, Winderz aka most operating systems out of redmond WA
<tck> i think im using alsa
<tsume> Absenth: I don't understand child talk
<tck> hmm i'll check
<DarthFrog> tsume: Windows.
<tsume> Absenth: please use correct words
<tsume> DarthFrog: ohh, Windows.
<tsume> Absenth: why didn't you say so?
<DarthFrog> tsume: Absenth was using slang.  Self-invented slang. :-)
<Absenth> tsume, I'm a redneck. I did say so.
<bassman> bonsoir  tous
<DarthFrog> bassman: Bon matin.
<bassman> :)
<Tilos> Is there something akin to http://www.gentoo-portage.com for Ubuntu?
<tizen> bonne apres-midi
<tizen> lol
<bassman> j'aurais voulu un renseignement sur ubuntu
<bassman> je ne sais pas comment crer mon mdp root
<larsrohdin> Hi, if I download a certain program, how do i know which command to use to start it?
<DarthFrog> bassman: Nous parlons anglais ici.
<rwabel_> bassman: pour francais il faut aller sur ubuntu-fr
<bassman> very nice sorry for my bad english :)
<ren0> Hi. I notice when I am using gaim all my freinds have little pictures in their window. Is there a way for me to set this up in gaim. I just don't seem to find it.
<tsume> the french have a titanium version of windows on the net, cute
<tsume> its full of warez
<tsume> WindowsXP Pro Titanium... heh
<DarthFrog> bassman:  Don't worry about it. It's better than my french! :-)
<tsume> This is amusing
<tsume> Bienvenue!
<Absenth> is there a howto to set up dual head in ubuntu hoary?
<^thehatsrule^> njan?
<motuline> Can I re-size my swap partition? Ubuntu made Swap what is only 486mb :o
<Absenth> or whatever it'
<tsume> Absenth: that is based on your vid card and X, not the distrop
<tsume> *distro
<tizen> ren0: Yup. Ctrl-A, then Modify on your MSN account and set up the buddy icon thing
<bassman> nice to see you again see you later bye !!!!:)
<DarthFrog> motuline: How much RAM do you have?
<motuline> 512mb
<Absenth> tsume, even if I'm running an agp and a seperate pci video card?
<motuline> why?
<DarthFrog> motuline: That really should be enough swap.
<thoreauputic> motuline: that should be plenty of swap
<tsume> Absenth: its linux + X then
<DarthFrog> motuline: The days of swap = 2x RAM are over.
<ren0> thanks tizen. I'll give it a try
<tsume> Absenth: you can find the information anywhere for linu
<tsume> linux
<motuline> ok :).. Im used to 1028mb of swap space.. other distros have biger swap bases
<tsume> Absenth: you can set up Xinemina or have a virt on each screen
<snk00sj-> thanks man ! my nvidia drivers work !
<snk00sj-> 53194 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10662.400 FPS
<snk00sj-> awesome, you all rock !
<Absenth> tsume, danke.
<motuline> I get 1800fps..
* DarthFrog envies snk00sj-  I can't get my ATI drivers to do direct rendering. :-(
<tsume> snk00sj-: what card is that? and is that at full screen?
* DarthFrog is annoyed at himself for buying an ATI card in the first place.
<thoreauputic> motuline: unless you're running some kind of badass server with huge memory demands :) But then you'd have more RAM anyway ;)
<Spooks> Beauty, firefox r the updated
<DarthFrog> Spooks: Glad to hear it worked for you.
<tsume> snk00sj-: what card? :P
<Spooks> Thanks again
<Spooks>  :)
<Absenth> 22875 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4575.000 FPS
<DarthFrog> Spooks: And better yet, you learned how to do it yourself.
<sal002> When booting the livecd can I pass root=[my ubuntu root]  and use the kernel from the cd to boot using my system filesystem?
<Spooks> Kind of
<tsume> Absenth: what card do you have?
<tck> tsume, no xmms-esd
<DarthFrog> sal002: Probably.
<Absenth> tsume, 5900 ultra 128m
<tsume> oo
<tck> what sound support does gnome start with
<snk00sj-> tsume 6800 GT Pro :)
<tck> there's , alsa, esd, oss, arts
<tsume> tck: esd
<^thehatsrule^> esd?
<^thehatsrule^> oh
<codyman> DarthFrog: I got my amd64 broadcom wifi connection up and running.. the only thing is that every time i reboot i have to retype in my WEP key.. any ideas on how I can automate that?
<sal002> Because my initrd for -5 kernel is missing.  I tried using the -3 kernel and all hell broke loose
<tck> how come alsa starts up on mine then
<tsume> tck: you need the esd driver for xmms, or killall the sound drivers
<tsume> tck: if you are running artsd, then you need the xmms-artsd driver
<tsume> *xmms-arts
<ermo> mjr, does dri work with mergedfb?
<thoreauputic> tck: esd talks to alsa ;)
<sal002> Is there a way to regenerate the initrd?
<UdeS-ppc> what's the command hdparm for?
<tck> ah ok
<codyman> whats a quick way to reset sound?  rhythmbox all the sudden says my speakers are busy
<DarthFrog> codyman: Yeah.  In /etc/network-something-or-other is the config file for that interface.  Put the info in there.
<codyman> thanks
<Brainache> hey, im a newbie, and im trying to compile a package.  I keep running into things that are missing in the Configure stage, and im not sure if im missing something, or do i just have to add the bits as i find the things missing from the configure log?
<tck> theres not xmms-esd in my synaptic by the way
<tck> s/not/no
<thoreauputic> Brainache: what are you trying to compile? and do you have a ll the dev packages?
<djp> anyone here help me out with a cron message?
<djp> No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program.
<thoreauputic> Brainache: 99% of the time, the missing packages are the dev (development) packages
<Brainache> oh, ok
<motuline> Any Idea.. if I run fglrxconfig and write XF86Config-4.. X won't work.. and other thing is that X won't work if I change identifier: ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR) instead of "Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SG86C202"
<Brainache> do i jsut search synaptic for dev packages and install them all?
<thoreauputic> Brainache: that's one way, yes
<Brainache> ok
<snk00sj-> ATI drivers suck :)
<JDahl> brainache, normally you should be able to see from compiler or linker error what's missing
<sn0wman> snk00sj-, lol, yep.
<bung__> snk00sj-: so does your face
<thoreauputic> Brainache: assuming the thing you are compiling isn't available in the repos
<Absenth> snk00sj-, on linux anyway.....  although I got them working once.
<DarthFrog> snk00sj-: I'm Canadian and ATI is a Canadian company.  I won't be buying their products again.
<Brainache> yeah. This time it wants me to re-write something.  I'll cp the log file
<DarthFrog> bung__: No personal abuse, please.
<larsrohdin> is there a problem with gedit in hoary? Because since i updated, i can't get gedit to work...
<tsume> tck: whit
<tsume> *wait
<bung__> DarthFrog: sorry, reflex
<tsume> tck: it already has the esd support
<DarthFrog> bung__: :-)
<tsume> tck: open config
<tsume> switch the audio driver to eSound
<tck> from within xmms ?
<tsume> yes
<bung__> seriously though I don't get why people love nvidia quite so much
<geneo91> still need some HELP
<tck> hang on
<thoreauputic> bung__: lesser of two evils on linux
<DarthFrog> codyman: The file is /etc/network/interfaces.
<Brainache> checking for gtk+-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 libxml-2.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
<Brainache> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
<Brainache> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
<Brainache> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
<Brainache> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 libxml-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
<tsume> bung__: because the drivers are the best out there
<Absenth> bung__ I have no love for nvidia either.  I'd rather have an X800 over the 6800 ultra, but the drivers are a LOT easier on the nvidia side of the fence.
<MMond> JDahl: hihi, -I don't want to be cumbersome, but perhaps, could you only spare seconds on me?
<DarthFrog> codyman: Underneath the line that says "wireless_essid (your ssid), put "wireless_key (your key)".
<kent> Brainache, you dont need to paste all that here, and you need to install the development-packages for gtk+.  Search for itt in synaptic
<tck> tsume, cool that worked :)
<Absenth> bung__ and if Matrox could create a card that wasnt a generation or two behind ATI/Nvidia when it came to gaming performance I'd have their stuff in all my machines :)
<tsume> does anybody know where the keyboard map layout change tool is in windows?
<tck> chose the esound output plugin :)
<Brainache> ok, cheers
<Brainache> will do
<JDahl> MMond, just ask your questions, and if I know something about it, I will chime in
<bung__> Absenth: do they do OSS drivers?
<scandium> Wait for Techsource's open graphics card later this year...it has quite advanced features and specs will be open...it's not interesting for people who want to play doom3, though
<Absenth> bung__, I admit to having no idea, as their stuff is so behind performance wise it's not worth the time to look into.
<tsume> scandium: people need 3d cards not only for gaming
<scandium> s/it has/it is supposed to have them when it is released/ ;)
<tsume> scandium: games are for stupid people
<Absenth> bung__, however on windows, the 2d graphics quality are WAY better.
<tsume> they waste thier life on the game
<codyman> thanks Darth
<DarthFrog> tsume: I have a Ph.D. and enjoy the occasional game. :-)
<tsume> DarthFrog: games suck fyi
<MMond> JDahl: I have at least a bit more ground understanding of this now -- http://localhost/~user/test2.html works now, perfectly. But when I go upon a php file, it gives me a dialog of "Save the file," so php at this, is not working. If it is of any consolation, though: when I do type "php" in basic term.. it "works," (although this shouldn't mean anything.. especially with my little knowledge of CLI)
<tsume> graphics programming is nice when it contributes to science
<bung__> I'm dumb and I hate gaming!
<scandium> tsume, that's why I said "quite advanced" since it looks like it'll do a lot of opengl etc., but not for gamers
<tsume> bung__: its not mny fault you were born with less nueral nodes :)
<Absenth> gaming sure beets the hell out of venting frustrations on the freeway with a 9mm
<thoreauputic> tsume: are you a Puritan or something ? (joking)
<Absenth> -beets +beats
<bung__> tsume: neural :P
<codyman> DarthFrog: this is weird in that "interfaces" file there is no mention of anything wireless just ethernet.. but my wireless connection is currently working no problem... ?!?
<tsume> thoreauputic: I think you mean.. Omish..
<DarthFrog> codyman: Don't complain!  It works. :-)
<JDahl> MMond, try this test-script: http://www.htmlite.com/php003.php
<tsume> Absenth: not really
<thoreauputic> tsume: no, I meant Puritan - but never mind - comparative theology is probably not your subject ;)
<JDahl> MMond, i.e., copy and paste it into a file at your own machine
<tsume> Absenth: it just means you can't control your testosterone
<DarthFrog> codyman:  use the network tool to configure your interface.  It'll write that file for you.
<tsume> thoreauputic: its not my strong area :)
<codyman> DarthFrog: seirously i'm glad it works i don't mine typing in the simple iwconfig wlan0 key xxxxxxxxx open then dhclient wlan0 everytime it boots.. i mean i got it working i get points for that don't I :-)
<Absenth> tsume, that's probibly true.
<tsume> thoreauputic: science leaves no room for poppycock
<DarthFrog> codyman: Points and an attaboy. :-)
<Absenth> tsume, does Science have a solution for the users I work with?
<codyman> DarthFrog: My wireless router is downstairs and across the house yet I still for some reason have 99% connection and it downloads from apt-get at around 500kb/s
<thoreauputic> tsume: ah, well - Einstei liked to play the violin and ride bicycles :)
<MMond> JDahl: Did it . . . and I get the "save" dialog. I tried that when I had apache 1.3 . . . and that time it worked, so did every file with php
<phxguy> can someone help me with the chown command
<Absenth> tsume, I should warn you, I do have a government job.
<MidnightDevil> heya again
<thoreauputic> *Einstein
<tsume> Absenth: does electric chair sound good enough?
<sal002> Anyone ever use the livecd to boot into their ubuntu system (using the kernel on the bootcd)?
<MidnightDevil> what's horay address for apt-get?
<Absenth> tsume, sign me up for 2
<MMond> JDahl: And now with apache2.. it doesn't work ;\
<DarthFrog> Absenth: Application of technology to social problems is a major mistake!  Herding cats is more likely to work.
<bung__> someone give me a jb
<bung__> er
<bung__> job
<phxguy> how can i Chown on a folder and all files and folders in it at one time??
<bung__> chown -R
<JDahl> MMond, did you install libapache2-mod-php4 ?
<Absenth> DarthFrog, Again I think it depends on which technology you'
<thoreauputic> phxguy:  chown -R
<tsume> I need a job in Alaska
<tsume> :/
<Absenth> DarthFrog, Again I think it depends on which technology you're talking about applying.
<MMond> JDahl: Yes
<phxguy> thanks
<MidnightDevil> someone ?
<tsume> I've every motion set except the job
<Absenth> DarthFrog, I think a baseball bat represents some amount of technology, and does solve quite a few social problems when used correctly.
<tsume> and the ferry :)
<ossiii> can anyone plz tell me how to set numlock on at booting?
<MidnightDevil> what's horay address for apt-get?
<DarthFrog> Absenth: Well, yes.  If you want the "users" to survive, it kinda limits your options, though. :-)
<MMond> JDahl: Simpy plain off, what concise files would I need go get at least apache2 and php working? asking out of curiosity..
<larsrohdin> is kernel 2.6.10-4 the latest version?
<tsume> larsrohdin: no
<alec> MidnightDevil, replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in your apt sources
<JDahl> MMond, apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4
<larsrohdin> tsume, which is then?
<thoreauputic> ossiii: numlockx I think
<Absenth> larsrohdin, I'm running 2.6.10-5-k7
<tsume> larsrohdin: I think 2.6.10-5
<JDahl> MMond, and normally you shouldnt have to change configuration
<MMond> JDahl: Woah.. uhm, I do have them..
<MMond> And I didn't . . . everything is at default . . . at least I think so
<MMond> Or unless the installations of other modules had them tweaked
<phxguy> ok now I just installed my Nvidia driver according to the isntruction on ubuntu and when I restarted and logged into ubuntu i got an error that said "HAL failed to initialize" can someone help me with that?
<larsrohdin> tsume, how can i upgrade it, with apt-get?
<MidnightDevil> ok
<tsume> larsrohdin: you need to make sure your sources are correct
<ossiii> well, will try it out, tnx thoreauputic
<MMond> At several instances, upon removal, I received messages like "This folder isn't empty, and thus will not be removed"
<tsume> larsrohdin: I bet you have it set to cdrom only
<rwabel_> anyone has an idea why under X (gnome, kde etc) special characters like umlaute doesn't work but working fine when switching back with ctrl-alt-f1?
<thoreauputic> ossiii: that's the package name - apt-cache show numlockx will tell you more
<larsrohdin> tsume, no but, i've just upgraded to hoary, so maybe i don't have the correct sources... do you know where i can find the correct?
<ossiii> tnx again :)
<sal002> Okay - does apt-get save the retreived deb files anywhere?
<JDahl> MMond, try copying the php test script to /var/www and run it from there... maybe php is disabled from user directories - although I doubt it. I dont have apache2/php4 install atm, so I cant help you with the configuration files
<andril> hello all
<rwabel_> sal002: yes it does
<apokryphos> sal002: yes, /var/cache/apt I think
<scandium> sal002, /var/cache/apt/archives/
<DarthFrog> sal002: Yes.  /var/cache/apt/archives.
<sal002> Thanks!
<Absenth> 2.6.10 isn't an option in Warty?
<rwabel_> sal002: under  /var/cache/apt/archives/
<thoreauputic> Absenth: no
<Absenth> thoreauputic, I guess it's time for a dist-upgrade then :)
<MMond> JDahl: I'll try it
<phxguy> ok now I just installed my Nvidia driver according to the isntruction on ubuntu and when I restarted and logged into ubuntu i got an error that said "HAL failed to initialize" can someone help me with that?
<thoreauputic> Absenth: warty is stable - hence no kernel changes except security patches
<^thehatsrule^> uh oh
<geneo93> how do i get another terminal in failsafe
<andril> I need to find out how to chane my resolution after upgrading to Hoary
* tsume would rather have working updated software than stable software
<larsrohdin> tsume, or maybe you could show me your sources...
<tsume> its like riding a bicycle because you know its more reliable than a motorcycle
<thoreauputic> tsume: so I assume you run Hoary?
<tsume> thoreauputic: affirmative
<^thehatsrule^> geneo... xterm &? its a guess
<tsume> larsrohdin: theres a sources.list file in /etc/apt/
<elshadii> does anyone have an opinion about how to replace the mail notification gnome pannel applet?
<tsume> larsrohdin: uncomment the ones which are soundful, but don't uncomment the ones which say "for major system updates"
<larsrohdin> tsume, yeah i know...thats the sources we're talking about...
<larsrohdin> ok
<tsume> thoreauputic: better updated software gets the job done faster than old software
<tsume> what is going to really suck about alaska is they do the same stupid thing aussies do
<actionjackson> andril: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<larsrohdin> tsume, soundful?
<AlohaWolf> i
<tsume> they charge 49USD a month for 20 gigs a month
<thoreauputic> tsume: yes, well - assuming it doesn't crash and burn.... ;-)
<tsume> larsrohdin: which sound right
<geneo93> no luck
<tsume> thoreauputic: it doesnt
* sabmoc|zombie yawns and wakes up.. almost unzombified.
<thoreauputic> tsume: that's nice
<larsrohdin> ok, but i don't know which sounds good...
* tsume sighs
<Absenth> thoreauputic, I've been on Hoary since last weekend, so far, no problems.
<tsume> my cpu keeps throttling lower when I've vmware open :)
<tsume> this laptop rocks :)
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<tsume> GeforceFX 5200 64MB
<tsume> the vid card is decent.
<thoreauputic> Absenth: sure - if I wasn't on dial up I'd download it too :)
<Absenth> thoreauputic, heh.
<tsume> australia sucks.
<tsume> alaska sucks for the BW too
<phxguy> can someone tell me what I should have in my fstab to auomount my Windows NTFS drive on hda1??
<djp> anyone able to help out with a cron message?
<Absenth> tsume, I've thought about putting ubuntu on my laptop.  Except it's already got a unix that doesn't suck on it.  Hard to justify wiping it out for ubuntu
<apokryphos> phxguy: ubuntuguide.org
<^thehatsrule^> phxguy, you know thats prolly read-only?
<thoreauputic> Absenth: I'm very happy with warty - only needed to reboot for new kernels so far
<tsume> but I'm adventurous :) if I can stand dial-up like I always had, then I can live there
<phxguy> yup i am aware that ntfs is read only
<tsume> Absenth: linux has always worked on my laptops
<tsume> I need to email toshiba for the sources to the software modem
<phxguy> I followed the ubuntu guide and it doesn't seem to work right....
<larsrohdin> ok
<tsume> toshiba will actually opensource thier software if you ask
<Absenth> tsume, mine is running OSX.  Linux might be a bit more difficult in terms of apps.
<DarthFrog> tsume: You could always investigate getting a satellite connection.
<tsume> Absenth: keep OSX, its BSD based, its more secure
<tsume> DarthFrog: I thought about that
<thoreauputic> tsume: Australia sucks but, say, Alaska doesn't ? heheh
<tsume> DarthFrog: would be faster too
<tsume> thoreauputic: not as much
<Absenth> tsume, hense the "unix that doesn't suck"
<DarthFrog> tsume: Exactly.
<actionjackson> Absenth: YDL
<phxguy> apokryphos, I have the option set in nautulis to show mounted drives on my desktop but it doesn't show up there
<tsume> thoreauputic: I like all weather, I just currently feel like being in alaska
<Absenth> actionjackson, ???
<actionjackson> Absenth: sorry I meant have you tried YDL
<DarthFrog> tsume: You're in Australia?
<apokryphos> phxguy: don't know gnome, sorry. :(
<tsume> ubuntu pasuaf!
<goxy> i have problemz with intel 536ep modem on ubuntu 5.04 anybody help me
<MMond> JDahl: Placed it under /var/www . . . still not working (getting the same "open > save as" dialog)
<tsume> DarthFrog: no.
<ermo> Could someone help me debug dri?
<Glin|Jol> how would i go about making gtk look less boxy
<tsume> DarthFrog: I'm in redneckville because I thought country would be nice to live in for a few years
<Glin|Jol> gtk themes?
<tsume> DarthFrog: Southern states in the US are very poor and theres not many jobs here
<DarthFrog> tsume: Where is redneckville?
<tsume> DarthFrog: Knoxville, TN
<Absenth> actionjackson, no I have not.  I've thought about it a few times, but each time I get back to....  I can do everything in OSX YDL would let me do, and I don't have to change anything.
<actionjackson> true
<andril> actionjackson: do I restar after doing this?
<JDahl> MMond, so provided that you really have libapache2-mod-php4 installed (and not just libapache-mod-php4), there's nothing left for you to do but to dig into /etc/apache2 and greb for php... it's easier than it sounds
<tsume> windowsxp (this copy) is french *sigh*
<codyman> anyone know why gl screensavers aren't working?
<actionjackson> I have it setup as a dual-boot on my PowerBook
<tsume> how can I change the keyboard layout in XP? :)
<actionjackson> andril: yes
<tsume> do I need to download something from MS?
<MMond> JDahl: I did this in term: root@tosh:/var/www # php -f info.php  <-- and it worked, well . . . in term at least
<andril> thanks I'll be back
<Absenth> tsume, start, settings, control panel, keyboards/mice I believe.
<actionjackson> aight
<goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works
<goxy> help me
<kent> Does some one know of a client to play poker over the internet with money? A friend asked me to get www.multipoker.com to work in Linux but their client wont work with wine, so if some one knows of another way to play poker with money in linux I think he would be happy :)
<tsume> Absenth: I thought I checked there, I'll check again
<Xappe> tsume, try alt+shift
<goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works help me
<Absenth> tsume, I know for sure there's a utility in there somewhere, but no promises as to where it is.....  I'll take a look at the wifes pc,  it's the only windows pc left in the house.
<MMond> JDahl: wait, so I have to have libapache-mod-php4 too, so not just libapache2-mod-php4, but both? o.0
<tsume> Xappe: *sigh*
<mattgirv> Can anyone recommend me a good Terminal that can sort of... hmm, fade onto the desktop, so it looks like part of the desktop rather than being window-like :P
<tsume> Xappe: then I need to take vmware off alt shift :)
<Xappe> tsume, ahaha
<JDahl> MMond, that's not what I said... I am just saying that maybe you have the wrong package installed
<thor|away> mattgirv: eterm or aterm
<Xappe> tsume, I think that's the default combination if you have more than one configuration
<goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links  but intel 536ep dont works help me
<thor|away> mattgirv: in fluxbox, you can toggle window decorations off by editing ~/.fluxbox/keys
<Xappe> tsume, installed
<MMond> JDahl: I have libapache2-mod-php4 and apache2 . . . I cannot imagine what else could possibly be wrong . . . :s
<tsume> Xappe: hmm
<mattgirv> thor|away: I am running Openbox at the mo' maybe its a similar command or something
<tsume> Xappe: booting XP back up.. minute
<thor|away> mattgirv: also for logs there's roottail
<MMond> I had little knowledge to begin with ;\
<mattgirv> I will have to check :)
<JDahl> MMond, so dig into the configuration files
<tsume> I haven't used windows in a long time, but I bought turbotax and it wouldn't run on wine
<tsume> I like doing my own taxes with computer programs :)
<Xappe> tsume, haven't used win for five months or so...so I'm not  really sure
<phxguy> tsume:  are you familiar with Wine???
<Absenth> tsume, have you tried turbotax through Crossover Office?
<MMond> JDahl: Before I do -- php4 worked with apache1.3, I'm simpy saying, to assure that this might possibly be of any good, I mean, if apache1.3 worked with php . . . and now this isn't . . . something else might be caused it . . . I download a _lot_ of things when I started with this.. lots of other modules
<tsume> phxguy: it wont run with crossoveroffice either
<MMond> +ed*
<tsume> Absenth: have that, tried that :)
<alican> where can I find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5
<tsume> Absenth: it was acting glitchy
<Absenth> tsume, it was worth a shot.
<alican> apt-get says : Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5
<MMond> anyways . . . I'll get dirty with it . . . haven't ever messed with the configuration files before . . . but here I go
<phxguy> tsume: Was wonder if you have used wine to run Quicken.....
<JDahl> MMond, I use apache2 with php4 for a small server at work.. it was easy to setup
<Absenth> tsume, I don't suppose you know how to rebuild your Crossover office menus in gnome on hoary?
<tsume> phxguy: crossoveroffice runs quicken
<Xappe> alican, the name is linux-source in ubuntu
<Absenth> tsume, Mine vanished post dist-upgrade
<phxguy> is crossover hard to configure???
<tsume> Absenth: no idea, I usually type out paths
<tsume> Absenth: the menu should be automatic
<MMond> JDahl: So was apache1.3 and php.. simply checked off a few things and I had it working from scratch within 2 minutes . . .
<tsume> Absenth: you rebuild from the cxsetup
<MMond> JDahl: Should I just mess with php.ini, and that'd be it? Or . . . something else too?
<thorN> Is there any chance that my crappy "Visioneer 4800" scanner will work in Ubuntu? (Cos it's not working at the moment)
<Absenth> ./cxsetup:error: could not find CrossOver in '/home/lnoldan/cxoffice/bin'
<tsume> I installed mine in /opt
<JDahl> MMond, look in /etc/apache2/*, I dont think you have to configure php.ini
<phxguy> thorN, I think we're outta ucj on that.... I have a visioneer 9220 and it doesn't work either under ubuntu =(
<alican> Xappe, ok I am updating it.. is there anything else after new kernel 2.6.11 is installed
<Absenth> tsume, I'll uninstall, and reinstall to /opt which is a better loction anyway :)
<MMond> apache2.conf  httpd.conf  mods-available  ports.conf  sites-available  ssl  conf.d        magic       mods-enabled    README      sites-enabled  <-- here is what is there.. where should I begin? I have absolutely no knowledge of this.. :s
<edulix> bah it didn't work :|
<edulix> well it's dinner time
<jnc> MMond: it's a relatively new layout for apache configuration
<jnc> i myself have not yet mastered it
* djp is looking for some advice with regards dar and a cron message in my mbox
<Xappe> alican, i'm using 2.6.10-5, so I don't know if there's a difference in installation procedure
<jnc> thorN: which interface does it use physically?
<thorN> it's a USB thing
<thorN> I haven't had any expeirence with Hotplug and things
<MMond> jnc: Yeah.. but I have absolutely no knowledge at all whatsoever of this.. I'm  new to linux/ubuntu/apache/php . . . :s
<sal002> okay - mkinitrd gives me a /dev/fd does not exeist - nayone get this?
<DarthFrog> sal002: that's your floppy drive.
<jnc> MMond: well, welcome to Ubuntu, at least
<jnc> :)
<jnc> i have been using Debian GNU/Linux distro for my webservers
<sal002> DarthFrog: Right.
<MMond> Thanks, I suppose
<jnc> it is similar i think
<sal002> But how do I get mkinitrd to generate the right initrd without caring about my floppy drive?
<thoreauputic> jnc: practically identical in fact ;)
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  how do i get another terminal that wont cover this
<MMond> I have been using Windows for 4 years . . . first time using Linux . . . put it on a 266 mhz laptop.. with GNOME, kinda slow.. but I'm dealing with it
<_linux_newb2> mmond: dont use gnome
<DarthFrog> geneo93: Be more specific, please.
<geneo93> say lower left corner
<DarthFrog> sal002: man mkinitrd
<thoreauputic> MMond: it would run better with a light window manager
<_linux_newb2> use fluxbox or something a little lighter
<djp> anyone able to help with an mbox message generated when attempting to run a script using cron to perform a diff backup using dar?
<bung__> eww initrd
<jnc> MMond: the windowing system X11 is a memory hog
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  i'm in failsafe xterm
<ermo> any x.org dri/drm buffs around? I'm getting strange errors on my ati r200 setup (which is supposedly supported)
<jnc> without the pretty GUI stuff, a 233mhz box is *perfect* for webserving
<larsrohdin> every 20 times i start ubuntu, it checks my filesystems... how can i make it not check the filesystems?
<thoreauputic> jnc: it isn't X11 that's the problem - it's what runs on it :)
<jnc> oh?
<_linux_newb2> dont use ext3
<thorN> jnc: my 500MHz webbox is excessive then ;)
<Anubis> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-3-k7 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ 1533.771 MHz Bogomips: 3039.23 Mem: 291/504M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 45.84G Free: 10.60G Procs: 98 Uptime: 9 hrs 48 mins 49 secs Load: 0.11 0.10 0.09  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3) Screen Resolution: 1024x768 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 90.39M Out: 3.70M
<jnc> thorN: yes ;)
<jnc> yes it is
<thoreauputic> jnc: X11 itself is quite efficient
<MMond> I used xfce for a while . . . is it lighter than fluxbox?
* jnc pets his Athlon64 3000+ work box
<thoreauputic> MMond: no
<GNAM> it seems a good idea a "/home" on vfat partition, to condivide firefox/thunderbird settings windows/linux
<MMond> And keep in mind, that I am a nub, and I have heard that the installation of fluxbox is rather intricate
<bung__> computers suck
<djp> jnc: got a 200mhz, 64mb machine here, running linux and using icewm for the gui. works very quick
<thorN> horrible shameful fact, jnc: my webserver is running gnome :O
<bung__> horses are where it's at
<Chipzz> _linux_newb2: tsssk
<Chipzz> larsrohdin: man tune2fs
<jnc> djp: ah!   icewm, this is easily done with ubuntu?
<Absenth> bung__, I agree completely
<_linux_newb2> chipzz: what?
<thoreauputic> MMond: not really - you would only need to edit one file to start it
<GNAM> software sucks, not computer
<erik> how can i install kde on ubuntu?
<bung__> you've never seen my computer then.
<jnc> erik: #kubuntu  i thinK?
<Chipzz> larsrohdin: there is an option to set how much times a filesystem can be mounted without getting checked
<jnc> Chipzz: yes, use 'tune2fs'
<Chipzz> _linux_newb2: teh "don't use ext3" remark
<djp> jnc: sure. however the machine is currently running vector linux due to internet not being available to it yet. as soon as it is though, switching over to ubunutu and using icewm with it
<Chipzz> jnc: wrong person
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell erik ubukde
<Pyre> erik: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
<geneo93> there is no #kubuntu
<jnc> whoops
<jnc> oh
<MMond> thoreauputic:  Hmm.. how light exactly is thoreauputic? I usually stay away from anything that is not mainstream . . . and from what I've seen/heard, I'll have to do a lot more worrying and taking care of it
<apokryphos> geneo93: there is
<jnc> i thought someone said @kubuntu
<jnc> err.  you know
<MMond> fluxbox*
<MMond> sorry.. :|
<erik> thanks
* Absenth prays Dawn Of War works on Cedega 4.3
* Absenth doesn't hold his breath
<MMond> Is KDE lighter than GNOME? o.0
<Echylo> how to open LaTeX files? .tex.tgz files
<_linux_newb2> mmond: no
<thoreauputic> MMond: well, have a look at http://fluxbox.org and read about it :)
<bung__> Echylo: sounds like you need to tar zxvf that file
<jnc> MMond: KDE would be nicer with a better optimizing compiler i think
<bung__> then run latex foo.tex
<bung__> then xdvi foo.dvi
<thoreauputic> MMond: KDE and Gnome are similar in resource use
<mattgirv>           about it :)
<mattgirv> 20:25 <    bung__> Echylo: sounds like you need to tar zxvf that file
<mattgirv> 20:25 <       jnc> MMond: KDE would be nicer with a better optimizing compiler
<mattgirv>           i think
<mattgirv> oops :( sorry
<Echylo> hmm
<mijndert> Hi, I have just installed Ubuntu Hoary on my pc and I have problems with the sound. My chip is SiS (on a cheap ASrock mobo), All seems OK but no sound is coming out of my speakers. What can be wrong?
<Echylo> tgz aint a tar file I think
* airox slaps mattgirv
<airox> :)
<bung__> Echylo: suck it and see
<Echylo> well let's see
<mattgirv> lol, messing around with irssi :P
<elmaya> turn up the volume
<jnc> Echylo: it may be a compressed tar file
<_linux_newb2> mijndert:  try alsaconf
<mijndert> elmaya, all up
<mijndert> Ok, I'll try
<Echylo> hmm
<Echylo> sucking it doesn't help
<Echylo> lets try tar
<jnc> Echylo: the 'tar' command can be asked to handle some types of compression
<DemonTears> what is the best cdburner for ubuntu ?
<thoreauputic> _linux_newb2: no alsaconf in ubuntu
<jnc> Echylo: with tar, you must tell it which type of compression to use,  'j' for bzip2,  'z' for gzip
<mijndert> alsaconf is not found
<mijndert> ah oke
<mattgirv> ahhh perfect :D
<_linux_newb2> sry
<Echylo> yes yes already unzipped
<jnc> DemonTears: good question
<mijndert> strange :S
<sal002> ah ha!  that is where my apt-get update broke my system...
<sal002> mkinitrd failed with no /dev/fd
<Absenth> is there a way to force umount?
<Echylo> and how to open .tex files? :p
<Chipzz> sal002: apt-get update will never ever break your system
<mrquick> hey guys, I'm having trouble using mplayer out to esd.... esd is working, but mplayer reports Could not open/initialize audio device... I specify -ao esd
<sal002> It did!
<jnc> DemonTears: there is some built-in things for making CDs with GNOME 2.10, in the upcoming Hoary Hedgehog
<_linux_newb2> sal002: just dont overwrite files already on your system
<jnc> i did not see a way to burn ISO9660 files though
<djp> DemonTears: GnomeBaker for me
<mijndert> Music Player does not give any error (have sound on AUTO). But no sound at all
<sal002> it install latest -5 kernel..mkinitrd failed
<MMond> One thing that makes me scratch my head is the sometimes low opacity for their windows . . . I have been using Windows for a long time, and I would imagine that it would dramtically eat up the memory like pac-man on coke
<airox> I love ubuntu!
<airox> Just to mention it.
<erik> thianks pyre
<GNAM> ubuntu RULEZ!
<sal002> initrd for the -5 image wasn't created correctly
<erik> thanks*
<mijndert> GNAM, It does when my sound works ;)
<bung__> jnc: I've not been paying attention to whatever you're on about, but you know you can mount those files directly?
<Chipzz> jnc: just right-click on the iso and select burn
<Absenth> so is there a way to force umount?
<jnc> Chipzz: !   i didn't even think to try this
* jnc blushes
<thoreauputic> MMond: yes, transparency eats resources - but you can turn it off
<Chipzz> jnc: me neither in the beginning ;)
<sal002> And now mkinitrd fails...says no /dev/fd
<mijndert> Does anybody have a solution to my sound problem?
<sal002> man mkinitrd is of no use
<Chipzz> jnc: I blushed too when I found out :)
<totty> nick totty
<mrquick> can anyone help me with an mplayer sound problem?
<Absenth> mijndert, try "killall esd" and see if mplayer works that way
<Beuno> hey, I just installed kubuntu over ubuntu, and now Im stuck on 640x480, any ideas?
<jnc> and guess what i was trying to burn?  of course, the ubuntu iso!
<DemonTears> djp, jnc thx
<_linux_newb2> mijndert: mkinitrd was not meant for you i dont believe
<mrquick> I don't want to kill esd though! I never had this problem in debian!
<totty> hoooo year geniol  the westion ubuntu
<GNAM> ubunto xfree version with kubuntu xorg version?
<sal002> _linux_newb2: I didn't.
<djp> anyoneable to help me out with my dar problem?
<Beuno> yeap
<apokryphos> GNAM: xorg
<genghis> wow.  hoary update today and everything's very cramped indeed from a GNOME line-spacing point of view.  any ideas?
<mrquick> sound card definitely works
<thoreauputic> djp: what's dar ? I haven't come across it...
<DemonTears> can install rpm file  in ubuntu ?
<mrquick> because all of gnome sounds come through
<mrquick> when I pkill esd sounds plays through mplayer
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: you can, sometimes using "alien" - but why?
<jnc> genghis: maybe, submit a bug?    i have amd64 and the hoary preview, it is working nicely.  i have not noticed any line spacing issues yet
<ttindi> hello
<mijndert> how can I see my sound card works properly?
<mrquick> but when esd is running and I try to mplayer -ao esd I get no sound
<djp> thoreauputic: backup program
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, i wanna install the nero
<Xappe> mrquick, if you compile mplayer yourself and have the esd or poly dev packages installed you can use it with esd or polyp output
<MMond> Alright. I'll use Fluxbox . . . wish me luck. (really)
<mijndert> Media Player plays a MP3 file, but still no sound
<zenwhen> nero for linux is currently ass
<jnc> mijndert: you could browse to your filesystem, /usr/share/sounds/
<mrquick> when I configure Mplayer, it says it configured for esd
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: ah, I see - well I can't advise you on that. I use gnomebaker
<reb68> I have installed ubuntu and am very new to this. My sound card ,Web Cam, and Scanner do not work. If Hoary is coming out I guess I might as well wait to solve this until I upgrade to Hoary.
<jnc> there are sounds to play there
<mrquick> Xappe, when I configure Mplayer, it says it configured for esd
<jnc> reb68: maybe
<zenwhen> graveman is better in every way than the current nero
<mijndert> jnc, I'll try :)
<jnc> reb68: what brand and make are your devices?
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, where cen i get that gnomebacker
<jnc> (i may know if they work with any linux distro)
<GNAM> i need UBUNTU FINAL!
<Xappe> mrquick, well, have you tried to change the output to esd then?
<zenwhen> lol
<mijndert> jnc, No sound at /usr/share/sounds/ :S
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: I'll get a link - hang on
<djp> thoreauputic: http://dar.linux.free.fr/
<genghis> jnc:  in fact all font rendering is weird
<mrquick> Xappe,yeah I specify -ao esd
<jnc> mijndert: hmm
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, ok thx
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: warty?
<jnc> mijndert: i think this is strange, there should be sound files in the /usr/share/sounds directory
<DarthFrog> GNAM: Install Warty, then.
<thoreauputic> DemonTears:  http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
<djp> DemonTears: thoreauputic recommended gnomebaker to me. it is excellent!
<GNAM> warty doesn't boot on my laptop
<GNAM> :P
<mijndert> Yes there is, but when I try to play one, no sound is coming out of my speakers
<GNAM> hoary 6 works
<Fl-i-nT> Hi can anyone help me with a tiny mozilla-firefox problem?
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, thx
<DarthFrog> GNAM: So what's your problem?
<jnc> djp: i could not find gnomebaker, is this in Universe?
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: there are several files - you want the appropriate .deb
<Fl-i-nT> it comes up with some wierd text at the bottom
<sal002> Ahh!  Now I get similar error to - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2664.html
<GNAM> warty had a serious problem in x86_64 kernel
<jnc> Fl-i-nT: screenie?
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, im using the 4.10
<reb68> The cam is Dexxa which is same as logiteck. (sic) The sound card is ES1869 Control Interface (WDM) and the scanner is an OLD Microtec Scanmaker 4800.I am told it will never work in linux,
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, what?
<jnc> take a screenshot, please
<sal002> Looks like off to bug report
<jnc> so i can see
<GNAM> problem solved with hoary
<mijndert> jnc, there are some OGG en wave files but no sound is coming out of my speakers
* tsume wish he would get paid to help irc
<jnc> mijndert: okay.  maybe sound does not work
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/gnomebaker_0.3-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
* tsume recieved 2 payment offers in the past and denied them for kindness :)
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, now what?
<mijndert> jnc, do you know a solution? I realy would like sound on my pc :)
<jnc> Fl-i-nT: erm, could you email to me?  jnc@gentoo.org
<jnc> i will look
<jnc> mijndert: privmsg, please.  i can try some things
<mijndert> Ok
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, i get an error while installing it
<geneo91> damn ubuntu keeps crashing even in failsafe xterm
<mattgirv> How can I take a screenshot of my Linux box ? :)
<Tynian> can anyone help me update my menu.lst file? I have to add "acpi=force pci=noacpi" to the kernal params but I'm not sure where
<mattgirv> Print Screen no longer suffices in Openbox :P
<hno73> Could someone give some advice on unbreaking my ubuntu :)
<apokryphos> mattgirv: there's an option to "take screenshot" in one of the Gnome menus there
<djp> jnc: get it from here ...http://digitalpenguin.homelinux.org/downloads/
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: did you do sudo dpkg -i <nameofpackage> ?
<hno73> I changed the name of vthe first user and now I can no longer sudo
<jnc> djp: ! thanks
<mattgirv> apokryphos: :( I don't use Gnome I am afraid.
<apokryphos> mattgirv: what do you use?
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, its ok thx
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, done it its sent
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: got it?
<mattgirv> apokryphos: I know there are terminal commands to do it, but I forgot them, I am using Openbox at the moment
<MMond> Okay.. so I'm getting Fluxbox.. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php what exactly do I wanna get? The debian binary package?
<apokryphos> mattgirv: erm, you could use imagemagick if you have that installed
<apokryphos> mattgirv: if not, it's a quick installation anyhow
<hno73> What's the best way to add myself to the sudo list again? With a live CD?
<djp> jnc: thoreauputic gave the roiginal link earlier
<mattgirv> oki :)
<mattgirv> thanks
<wdh> does anyone know of a good GTK alternative for an integrated LaTeX editor such as Kile(KDE) or TeXnicsCenter(Windows)??
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, do i have to be root to exec it
<jnc> Fl-i-nT: okay.   i will have a look
<GNAM> good question wdh
<thoreauputic> DemonTears:   ` sudo dpkg -i packagename
<mattgirv> apokryphos: What is the command when I have installed that?
<thoreauputic> or do you mean the app?
<wdh> GNAM, i know :P
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, wait its still sending it o.O
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, not for exe after install
<MMond> Okay.. so I'm getting Fluxbox.. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php what exactly do I wanna get? The debian binary package? <-- :s
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, how long does it take for evolution to send a email?
<Tynian> I *think* I just need to add that to the of the default params, but I'm not sure...
<apokryphos> mattgirv: import
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, its been saying sending for like 30 seconds
<zenwhen> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: it shoulbe in the menu under multimedia - if not, just type  gnomebaker & in a terminal
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, there finally sent
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, ok thx
<reb68> I think I will try my question again later
<jnc> :)
<reb68> exit
<MMond> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php  <-- what package do I want here? :x
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: BTW if you start from a terminal it will probably spit out a few warnings - if it works Ok you can disregard them
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, thx its work good :)
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, any solution?
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: you're welcom - enjoy :)
<jnc> Fl-i-nT: hang on, i am fighting my email spam
<jnc> it is a losing battle
<fluoro> Hey guys.
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, why?
<DemonTears> thoreauputic, its freeze :( when converting mp3 to audio file
<Ajray> I loathe satellight internet
<Ajray> Hey everyone
<mattgirv> Hi
<mattgirv> Satellite by the way, ehm I think lol
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: I haven't tried that - if you run it from a terminal, you might see an error when it does that
<Fl-i-nT> Does anyone know of a good WEb making programme?
<thoreauputic> DemonTears: if it won't close, type ` killall gnomebaker` in a terminal
<Echylo> Fl-i-nT  Gedit
<thoreauputic> then try it from the terminal
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  NVU
<Ajray> See why I hate it?
<MMond> I can't download fluxbox by syanptic now, can I?
<Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, i cant find that package on my Synaptic
<robin_> I have installed xserver-xfree86 (because xorg currently doesn't support my i845 in res higher than 640) but it does not save configuration made with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
<thoreauputic> MMond: you can, but it's an old version in warty
<MMond> thoreauputic: Hrmm. http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php <-- what do I want here then? the binary debian package?
<Xappe> Ajray, sattelite? modem upstream and satellite downstream?
<thoreauputic> MMond: if you like I can send you the deb I made for myself
<Ajray> Satellight up and down
<Sonium_> hi,
<robin_> robin_ I solved the problem, by using the xorg configuration file.. but I think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should do the job ;)
<Sonium_> can someone tell me my root password?
<thoreauputic> MMond: you install it with the  `sudo dpkg -i ` command
<apokryphos> Sonium_: ubuntu uses sudo; not the conventional root.
<Sonium_> erm, that means?
<mattgirv> It means there is no root account
<Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, how do i get that ppackage?
<apokryphos> Sonium_: it means "you", but with root permissions.
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell Sonium_ ubusudo
<Pyre> Sonium_: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Xappe> Ajray, how do you accomplish that? sending with your parabolic antenna? ;)
<mattgirv> You have to use the sudo command to give root priviledges
<thoreauputic> MMond: http://interlink.webhop.org/fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb
<Ajray> I really wonder why I came here. I don't even have a ubuntu distro Yet Another
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  i don't think there is a dep but there are rpm's ... maybe a alien will work
<Ajray> Yeah
<thoreauputic> MMond: that will get you a warty deb, anyway
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  didn't try myself
<Ajray> The DW6000 modem sucks badly, though.
<MMond> thoreauputic: Made for yourself.. as I said, I usually stay close to the mainstream stuf.. at the same time, I have incredibly little knowledge of this.. my laptop seems to have really great compatilibty problems, it's 6 years old, 266 mhz, I used it for experimenting :s
<Bauhn> Hi, I tried to install vlc through "apt-get install vlc" but it didn't work.. can anyone help me with installing it?
<airox> Anyone has a working msi pc54g wireless card ? (Broadcom chipset)
<thoreauputic> MMond: up to you - several people have had no trouble with that deb
<encKe`> does Ubuntu support a pretty good range of pci wireless cards?
<robin_> airox: ndiswrapper ?
<encKe`> like Motorola by chance?
<thoreauputic> MMond: but I understand your reticence
<airox> robin_: Would that work ?
<Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, an alien?
<airox> robin_: Hard to configure ?
<DarthFrog> robin_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
<robin_> airox: you could check it, my linksys wpc54g is also broadcom and seems to work
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, any luck?
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  http://www.nvu.com/download.html <= the package
<robin_> DarthFrog: I already got it to work :P
<thoreauputic> MMond: fluxbox is a very small and simple window manager - not a lot can go horribly wrong with it
<Bauhn> Can anyone here help me to install VLC?
<DarthFrog> robin_: Good stuff.  How well is it working?
<airox> DarthFrog: Give it to me!
<jnc> Fl-i-nT: not yet.   i apparently have a small penis that needs to 'grow'  according to emails i receive
<WillCooke> Does anyone know if WEP should work when using ndiswrapper to drive a linksys 802.11b card?
<airox> :)
<robin_> DarthFrog: perfectly
<jnc> :(
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  alien ... use to make a .dep from a .rpm
<DarthFrog> airox: Give what to you?
<robin_> DarthFrog: including WPA
<Ajray> Well, as much as I'm accomplishing here I must leave
<Ajray> Adios
<MMond> thoreauputic: Fair enough.. I'll give it a shot
<airox> DarthFrog: that url ;)
<DarthFrog> airox: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
<robin_> WillCooke: probably
<airox> tnx DarthFrog
<thoreauputic> MMond: I can probably walk you through setting it up to start from gdm login - not too hard
<WillCooke> robin, :)  I must be doing something wrong then!
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, hehe
<robin_> how good is the Kubuntu btw ?
* robin_ really like KDE :)
<Bauhn> I need help with installing VLC (or any other media player that play mp3's) Anyone here who can?
* djp is still looking for help regards an mbox message caused by running a cron script...
<thoreauputic> robin_: most people who tried it seem to be happy
<apokryphos> robin_: really very great. :)
<Xappe> Bauhn, sudo apt-get install xmms
<thoreauputic> apokryphos: you're biased ;-)
<Bauhn> Xappe, and how does that program work?
<Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, whats the website for alien?
<djp> Bauhn: the Music Player default for ubuntu plays MP3's
<bwlang> Bauhn: I recommend amarok: it's a nice gui... if you want something simpler xmms is okay... on the command line there are other options.
<robin_> apokryphos: okay, I will give it a try
<Xappe> Bauhn, xmms is a winamp clone
<apokryphos> thoreauputic: shh, don't tell them. :P
<Bauhn> djp, no it doesn't
<Bauhn> Xappe, nice
<Bauhn> bwlang, and how do i get it?
<thoreauputic> apokryphos: heheh :)
<djp> Bauhn: sure does!
<Xappe> Bauhn, you could also try beep-media-player
<bwlang> Bauhn: do you know how to use synaptic ?
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  did you try apt-get install alien ?
<Bauhn> bwlang, not really ;P
<djp> Bauhn: check out the following link for help setting up ubuntu http://ubuntuguide.org
<Rockj> which one should I stick with? ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/
<Fl-i-nT> nope didnt know you had to do that soz
<Rockj> which directory?
<NamShub> Hi
<NamShub> Everytime I log into ubuntu I lose my net connection after a few minutes...
<Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, ok i have done that now should it be in my Synaptic?
<NamShub> How can I bring it back manually
<bwlang> Bauhn: well - you're going to want to use that if you're going to use ubuntu... it's on the "system" menu... there's pretty good help for it.
<NamShub> (im connected to a router with dhcp)
<pvh> I can't eject a CD from my drive!
<Bauhn> bwlang, i tested it yesterday, but i dont understand it totally yet..
<bwlang> NamShub: i suspect you have multiple copies of dhclient running and interfering with each other...
<pvh> It doesn't show up in media, and it won't respond to pressing the button!
<pvh> NamShub: great nick
<Xappe> pvh, you have to unmount it first
<robin_> btw, I still think there is something wrong with the xorg package and the i810 driver
<Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, oh ok i get it what it does but how can i find a NVU RPM now?
<NamShub> bwlang: and how can I stop one?
<NamShub> pvh: thx :P
<pvh> Xappe: it's not mounted apparently
<Rockj> which directory/distro-release should I stick with? ftp://ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu-iso/
<Xappe> pvh,  it probably is
<bwlang> Bauhn: the main idea there is to mark software for installation or deinstallatoin... just search for xmms or amarok or whatever and mark it for installation
<Rockj> hoary? jigit? warty?
<pvh> Xappe: umount: /dev/hdc is not mounted (according to mtab)
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  if you installed alien, then try downloading the rpm for NVU and "alien" it to a debian package with alien <package.rpm>
<Xappe> pvh, do a umount /media/cdrom0 and try the button again
<bwlang> NamShub: you can tell if my hypothesis is correct by typing ps aux | grep dhc  on a command line ... you should see only one of these
<NamShub> bwlang: ps aux | grep dh shows only 1 process
<bwlang> NamShub: interesting... what does route -n show
<thoreauputic> Rockj: how much experience do you have with linux? if not much, choose warty
<Fl-i-nT> Snarfy, do i have to get NVU from there site or do i type apt-get something?
<pvh> Xappe: it's my second drive, and isn't listed in media
<NamShub> 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
<NamShub> 0.0.0.0         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
<Xappe> pvh, ah
<Bauhn> bwlang, sweet
<bwlang> namshub: no line like this? 0.0.0.0         192.168.10.1    0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 ath0
<thoreauputic> Fl-i-nT: www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide for installing nvu
<robin_> those the kubuntu got also that nice update package manager ?
<robin_> those=does
<supos> Anyone know if the firefox icons are supposed to look the way they do in Hoary? (Is this a bug or a feature?)
<djp> anyone here adept at setting up cron jobs?
<Rockj> thoreauputic: abit, but not that much. I want to run it as a server, not a desktop with GUI. if GUI, it shoulden't be gnome or kde but just light-one.
<Xappe> pvh, and no entry in the Places menu or in nautilus?
<bwlang> namshub: you can manually add the route like this 'ip route add default 192.168.0.1'
<apokryphos> robin_: it has kynaptic, which -- to be fair -- isn't as advanced as synaptic, but work is being done on it.
<pvh> Xappe: no...
<apokryphos> robin_: but if you've got gtk installed, there's no harm in having synaptic anyhow.
<thoreauputic> Rockj: for that, I personally would use Debian Sarge
<pvh> robin_: kynaptic is pretty nice in some ways. it's really fast.
<Sonium_> isn't gcc a part of the standart ubuntu installation?
<Snarfy> Fl-i-nT,  better follow this, then you're sure it will work [thoreauputic Fl-i-nT: www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide for installing nvu] 
<Xappe> pvh, ok...strange. well have you tried to umount the usual mountpoint for the drive then?
<Rockj> thoreauputic: I tried Debian Sarge, the install just "forks" up :/
<robin_> well I meant the Ubuntu Update manager, and not synaptic
<thoreauputic> Rockj: the new installer for debian is the same as the ubuntu installer - that's odd
<pvh> Xappe: yeah, without any luck.
<Rockj> only one I have managed to get thru, where everything is working is Fedora. but atm I got troubles compiling stuff.
<Rockj> thoreauputic: hum :/
<Xappe> pvh, that's bad :/ how about forced umount?
<pvh> Xappe: doesn't show up in mount -l
<bwlang> Rockj: you could try installing debian from a live distro... like knoppix.   But the debian installer is pretty solid... is it possible that you gave it bad info?
<thoreauputic> Rockj: is this an old machine?
<Xappe> pvh, ok
<pvh> Xappe: so apparently, it isn't mounted at all
<pvh> Xappe: Perhaps I could force a remount.
<Rockj> thoreauputic: abit old, p2 450mhz with scsi hdd
<Bauhn> why do i allways get "broken packages" when i'm trying with apt-get?
<Rockj> bwlang: nope, not afaik.
<Xappe> pvh, you cant mount it either?
<thoreauputic> Rockj: should be fine as a server, assuming you have reasonable RAM
<Rockj> thoreauputic: don't remember the exact error I had, but I had error with gentoo too :/
<bwlang> Rockj: I'm not saying you "knowingly" gave it bad info... ;)
<pvh> mount /media/cdrom0
<pvh> heh, wrong windwo
<jnc> Rockj: *drool*
<thoreauputic> Bauhn: have you checked that you have all repositories configured right?
<pvh> Xappe: mount seems to be hung...
<Xappe> pvh, that should be mount /dev/hd[x]  /media/cdrom0
<jnc> Rockj: load it up with as much memory as possible, and run a web server
<Rockj> thoreauputic: Used days to try to get help, but noone could help me, so I gave up the idea and went back to a working install of fedora :/
<jnc> :)
<pvh> Xappe: unless it's in the fstab
<pvh> Xappe: which it wasn't
<Bauhn> thoreauputic, i dont know, not so good at linux..
<djp> Bauhn: did you manage to get mp3's playing with your default music player, Rhythmbox?
<Rockj> jnc: its only supposed to be for that. ;) and a dhcp server
<pvh> Xappe: but now mount has frozen.
<Rockj> maybe running samba so I could move over some gb's with stash ;)
<jnc> Rockj: maybe you should think about staying with a minimal install of debian gnu/linux
<Xappe> pvh, kill the bastard :P
<jnc> unless it is your only desktop computer
<pvh> Xappe: won't even respond to sigints
<Xappe> pvh, hmm, that's bad
<Trixisity> Has anyone experience in mounting a USB mass storage device such as an mp3-man
<pvh> Xappe: Sweet, now mount is gone from my proc listing, but my terminal is still hung.
<Rockj> jnc: mhm.  but I might wanna try to get it to compile psybnc first. Thats my only problem I have now with fedora. but I get a problem realated to: http://forums.devshed.com/t110356/s.html?highlight=psyBNC
<pvh> Xappe: this just keeps getting weirder
<maxchee> What is the difference between evolution and kontact? Which one is more mature? and Which one is more stable?
<MMond> Does it come with suckit?
<SysFail> anybody have that reposit for the dvd playback file????
<SysFail> i cant find the forum entry that had it
<maxchee> Sysfail: google debian marillat
<Xappe> pvh, i suggest you kick your cdrom drive
<djp> maxchee: i think kontact is KDE app and Evolution is gnome based
<pvh> Xappe: I suggest you don't buy HP.
<jnc> maxchee: evolution has support from Novell company
<maxchee> djp: that's rather...obvious?
<Rockj> jnc: any suggestion on the psybnc error? downgrade gcc? oO
<pvh> Xappe: time to reboot. this is oogalay
<Xappe> pvh, well, their printers are ok :P
<apokryphos> maxchee: I prefer kontact. Tight intergration with several other things... kmail/akregator/addressbook/kontact etc.
<maxchee> but what about their functions?
<djp> maxchee: sorry. just giving a difference. i prefer evolution for what it is worth...
<apokryphos> quite a few more things, too.
<SysFail> there was a great entry for it on the ubuntu forums
<jnc> Rockj: privmsg me if you want and we can work it out
<SysFail> where the hell did it go
<maxchee> I believe kontact is rather new. Is it as stable as evolution or is it more stable?
<NamShubWin> Ok I logged on my old computer so I could login to IRC
<NamShubWin> After ~5 minutes, I lose my net connection
<apokryphos> maxchee: Well, I've never come across a bug, and I use it all the time.
<NamShubWin> *fresh* (k)ubuntu install
<maxchee> SysFail: just search ubuntu wiki for debian marillat and you will find the article
<DarthFrog> maxchee: Kontact is quite good.  I've used it for over a year and had no problems with it.
<maxchee> do both of them support mbox importing?
<NamShubWin> I can not even ping my router :(
<maxchee> Darthfrog: so you've used it before kontact 1.0 is released, right?
<NamShubWin> any clue?
<DarthFrog> maxchee: Well, whatever version was included with KDE 3.2 for Mandrake.
<Sonium_> where can in find the kernel header files?
<maxchee> NamShubWin: your router might ignore ping packets
<DarthFrog> Sonium_: linux-header-(kernel version)
<Sonium_> full path?
<maxchee> NamShubWin: protection from hackers
<DarthFrog> Sonium_: Use Synaptic.
<maxchee> Do evolution and kontact support mbox file importing?
<maxchee> and do they intergrate with the system mailbox
<Sonium_> what is synaptic ? :P
<DarthFrog> Sonium_: Oh, I see what you're after.  Probably /usr/include/linux
<maxchee> Sonium_:a graphical package manager
<maxchee> Sonium_:you use it to install/uninstall programs
<DarthFrog> Sonium_: :-)  Synaptic is the graphical package manager, used by default in Ubuntu.
<Sonium_> ok, i'm working on text mode ;)
<DarthFrog> maxchee: KMail can use mbox files.
<Anubis> one day xmms is playing
<Anubis> the next
<Anubis> it seg faults?
<Sonium_> but kernel headers work, thx
<DarthFrog> Sonium_: Then apt-get is your friend.
<apokryphos> maxchee: mbox file importing.. kmail: yes.
<SysFail> its not there maxchee but thanks for your response
<Sonium_> hrm, where are there any kernel sources on the standart installation?
<maxchee> also, does anyone here use the system mailbox? I am forced to check my hormail for at least another 6 months regularly and I would like an automated solution
<maxchee> I believe on sf.net
<pvf> hello
<maxchee> they provide several daemons that will fetch mail from hotmail servers and download it to the local mailbox
<maxchee> but will modern programs like kmail and evolution accept those?
<NamShubWin> what is the command to bring my network back?
<pvf> anyone knows why there are no sticky windows in ubuntu ?
<Chipzz> maxchee: yes, you connect to local mailserver with evolution
<maxchee> pvf: you mean the stick notes applet?
<Chipzz> or kmail
<jnc> no no
<jnc> 'sticky' windows
<FR500> hello
<jnc> same window stays on all desktops
<maxchee> Chipzz: any security problems associated with it?
<jnc> pvf: that is a function of 'metacity' windowmanager
<Chipzz> maxchee: how's that?
<FR500> is there any way to replace the Mac style clock cursor with the one that was in warty?
<Chipzz> you can have it listen only on local adresses
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, any luck?
<pvf> maxchee: no mate...sticky windows...like when you aproximate a window to the border ...it sticks
<maxchee> Chipzz: well it's a server, but it would be safe if it only accepts 127.0.0.1 connections
<scandium> jnc, right click title bar and select "always on visible workspace"?
<jnc> pvf: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<scandium> jnc, oh sorry, misread, thought you asked
<jnc> pvf: i think you are looking for "window resistance"
<maxchee> pvf: you mean docking windows? I have only seen gaim doing that, on windows 2000
<Sonium_> ok, there are no kernel sources right?
<Chipzz> Sonium_: yes
<maxchee> Sonium_: but you can always download it through apt-get/synaptic
<jnc> Fl-i-nT: still hacking away
<Chipzz> linux-source for ubuntu kernels, kernel-source for debian kernels
<Sonium_> this means, if some program requires the sources, i have to download and make/install them first
<Fl-i-nT> oh ok jnc when you get it can you pm the answer please
<FR500> is there a way to change cursors?
<Fl-i-nT> it would be of alot fo help
<jnc> Fl-i-nT: i should respond to you via email soon
<maxchee> Chipzz: Is there a way to import mbox to local mailserver and export mails stored in it to mbox?
<kent> FR500, there is a package called gcursor f ot that. its in Hoary
<pvf> maxchee: like winamp...when you move the playlist window to the main window...it kinda magnets there
<Chipzz> maxchee: not sure
<FR500> kent, thanks
<SysFail> whew found em
* SysFail goes to get a dvd
<maxchee> pvf: try a different window manager, like enlightenment
<A0000001> DCC SEND "+ y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y + y 
<scandium> absolutely
<sysrq> heh
<Xappe> hmm
<HcE> virus?
<HcE> got pretty interesting dcc send from him
<Sonium_> can someone tell me how to get my kernel sources?
<Sonium_> i installed the latest ubuntu version
<sal002> What installs the splash screens for grub?
<tck> Sonium_, get linux-headers from synaptic
<DoppelGanger> ha ah you do sal002
<pablo928> Hi everybody.
<zenwhen> hello
<JDahl> Sonium_, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 or whatever
<Xappe> Sonium_,  apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
<_steve> how do I create a root password?
<airox> _steve: sudo passwd
<tck> _steve, sudo passwd root
<sal002> DoppelGanger: ?
<pablo928> Any one know where I can find a mp3 plug-in for k3b?
<tck> pablo928, you try synaptic ?
<pablo928> Did'nt think I'd find one there since it's proprietary.
<tck> isn't k3b a cd burning app ?
<DoppelGanger> sal002: splash screens are a feature of grub
<DoppelGanger> you can make your ownsplash screens
<Xappe> tck, yes
<DoppelGanger> alter teh grub file
<djp> anyone able to help with a dar backup problem?
<Panquekas> anyone has an nvidia, kernel 2.6.8-1-5-686-smp ? my system tell me that: "failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module" :|
<DoppelGanger> and have that screen loaded at startup
<tck> Panquekas, try #nvidia
<sal002> DoppelGanger: Ahh..thought there was a n ubuntu splash screen
<tck> djp, a tar backup ?
<pablo928> yes, k3b is a cd/dvd burning program but it won't let me burn mp3 files.
<maxchee> pvf: metacity (gnome's default window manager) is featureless and you need alternative gnome compliant window manager to do that
<Panquekas> tck, but it's no problem from nvidia drivers.. because i used on an kernel 2.6.8-1-5-386 without smp and worked :\
<tck> pablo928, isn't there other ones you can use ?
<Xappe> Panquekas, have you installed the restricted modules for that kernel?
<djp> tck: using dar to backup. have created a couple of scripts and trying to run them as cron jobs. however get the message that No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program.Reading config file: /root/.darrc
<tck> what the hell is dar ?
<airox> tar he means i think
<Panquekas> Xappe, yes
<DoppelGanger> dar she blows captain
<tck> well theres an app called dar in synaptic
<pablo928>  tck:Yes I can convert all the mp3files to .ogg files with audacity, but I'm not sure if I can do that bulk,
<djp> tck: http://dar.linux.free.fr/
<tck> im getting it now djp ;)
<djp> airox: no dar. http://dar.linux.free.fr/
<pvf> maxchee: thx
<tck> pablo928, http://k3b.plainblack.com/requirements
<factotum> heh, just had my first experience running a game on ubuntu, pretty cool
* DoppelGanger was expecting first sexual experience
<airox> What driver would I use for ndiswrapper ? The xp, 98, 200 or me driver ?
<factotum> for only a 64 meg card it wasnt bad
<factotum> hah
<Blissex> airox: get another card -- dont bother with 'ndiswrapper'.
<djp> no one else using or ever used dar?
<airox> Blissex: ...
<factotum> it was just neverwinter nights, but its great. Mouse kinda drags a bit, but otherwise not bad
<airox> The one says it works perfectly the other claims i don't have to bother ?
<airox> :S
<tck> factotum, what u use, wine or cedega ?
<munki> airox : just use a driver, ndiswrapper runs nicely
<Blissex> airox: it works perfectly as far as it goes, when it goes.
<factotum> tck: i run it native
<tck> cool
<munki> airox : I use ndiswrapper now
<factotum> tck: just download the needed packages from the nwn site
<geneo93> well i just borked my hoary install for good
<v1> hello: is it ok to ask a stupid question?
<DoppelGanger> ha ha
<DoppelGanger> no
<v1> well I'm gunna anyway
<alexis_> hello
<encKe`> think they will combine ubuntu & KUbuntu someday?
<factotum> encKe`: dont know, dont care
<encKe`> lol....k
<factotum> heh
<airox> Eventually you have to choose encKe` :)
<kosmos> encKe`, its combined, kubuntu is in the main reps imho
<v1> during install I'm sure I wasn't asked for a root password? what's up there?
<apokryphos> encKe`: kubuntu is part of ubuntu
<factotum> im waiting for "fluxbuntu" well, not really
<encKe`> k
<factotum> i guess i already have it
<kosmos> v1, read about sudo
<v1> sudo k
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell v1 ubusudo
<Pyre> v1: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<geneo93> v1 use sudo
<JDahl> v1, was or wasnt? normally ubuntu doesnt create a root account, but yesterday it did so when I installed Hoary preview
<airox> i guess 1 wm is more then enough for ubuntu
<alexis_> I(ve got a big problem with an update... could someone help me?
<factotum> in some cases no window manager is more than enough
<airox> let them make 1 great wm
<airox> there a more then enough distro's having kde
<apokryphos> airox: more the merrier
<lookorez> is there a repository that has rubygems in it?
<Xappe> how large partitions do you recommend for a 300 GB disk (i'm going to install ubuntu on that disk tomorow)
<kosmos> yeah but k3b is an argument for kde
<airox> Xappe: ever thought about LVM ?
<thoreauputic> when is "ratpoisonbuntu" coming out ? ;-)
<geneo93> gives ppl choice
<lookorez> i'm loving kubuntu atm
<JDahl> Xappe, 6 GB for Ubuntu is more than enough.. then install /home on a separate partition
<Xappe> airox, don't even know what lvm is :)
<thoreauputic> logical volume management?
<factotum> heh 300GB, damn, I have 80gb and im barely using 10% of that
<v1> Oh I see, cheers for the help, guys. Bit of a strange way to set things up but I'm open to new things : even no root account
<Xappe> thoreauputic, and what does that really mean?
<geneo93> factotum:  i have 80 gig of mp3's
<lookorez> i have 3tb :/
<factotum> v1: you can have a root account if you give it a password
<pablo928>  tck:found and installed "madplay" from synaptic. Your link told me just what to look for. Thanks.
<thoreauputic> Xappe: I haven't the faintest idea :)
<thoreauputic> haha
<thoreauputic> Xappe: sorry :(
<Xappe> thoreauputic, haha
<alexis_> do you know if an apt-get dist-upgrade often do verry bad things? I updated my warty to hary but the only thing I get is a broken ext3 support so my / is mounted in read only, after reboot, I get a kernel panic!
<factotum> i cant think of 80gb of bands that i like
<airox> hehe
<airox> i just use internet radio :))
<raetsel> good evening all
<airox> seems to spare disk space
<airox> hi raetsel
<calc> i'm only using around 1.8GB for ubuntu itself
<geneo93> well this goes from 60's to present
<Xappe> airox, you could explain lvm to me maybe?
<factotum> working at a record store helps too ;)
<Levander> Are they still upgrading versions of things in the hoary repository? Or, if it's that version in the repository, that's probably the version that's gonna be released?
<raetsel> Hi Airox
<calc> Levander: just bug fixes at this point
<airox> Xappe: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatisvolman.html
<nis> Are there any ubuntu mirrors to point /etc/apt/sources.list to?
<calc> Levander: its coming out in a couple weeks
<airox> nis: yes
<geneo93> Levander:  march 30 is cut off date
<raetsel> Does anyone know how you unsubscribe from the portal site? Through not paying attention I have joined twice
<factotum> having a good music collection is one thing, hoarding is just a waste
<Xappe> airox, thnx
<Daehlie> nis: uncomment the lines in the file with the sources in it
<Levander> calc: cool, i've never done a apt-get dist-upgrade before on a debian distribution, this'll be first!
<Levander> how many problems should I expect?
<returnthis> cups question: since the webadmin is disabled, how do you figure out the uri?
<odie5533> Is there any good ftp software for ubuntu?
<nis> Daehlie: I'm upgrading from debian woody and didn't snag a distribution version of that file.  So nothing to uncomment.
<calc> Levander: none
<Levander> calc: haha! i'll believe it when i see it
<factotum> odie5533: yea its called ummm......oh yea ftp.  kidding, gftp aint too bad
<geneo93> well i just had problems with kde
<calc> Levander: any upgrade issues should have already be resolved by the time hoary is released
<EfaistOs> when hoary is coming out ? can i use it now ?
<Levander> calc: how come so many are having problems in this channel getting that new Xorg stuff to work then?
<calc> Levander: personally i just always run the unstable version of the dist
<isam> EfaistOs: use it
<Levander> EfaistOs: yeah, can use it now, but it's still beta
<calc> Levander: dunno
<Krause> heya guys, im havin trouble building a kernel with dpkg. on my PC it works fine, but on my laptop, it fails to make a intrid.img in /boot (no reported error) so when it boots into the new kernel, it fails to load anything and kernel panics, anyone know what may cause that?
<returnthis> anyone here use cups in ubuntu?
<Levander> calc: yeah, well I'm half expecting to have to dig through X server configuration again files when I do upgrade...
<geneo93> RC1 is slated for april 6
<calc> Levander: the configuration is very similiar if there is any difference at all from xfree
<Levander> calc: okay, cool, hopefully i won't have to
<Levander> geneo93: but when is it gonna be released for real, not just as a release candidate?
<xerox> Hi.
<isam> I am plan to: add archive.ubuntulinux.org to my sources.list of my Debian Sarge, give release s=hoary a higher PIN value in /etc/apt/prefrences .. is what I am doing crazy ? or a nice way to move to Ubuntu from Debian ?
<factotum> ugh its only 4pm and im already drinking a beer
<isam> xerox: hi
<Levander> factotum: just consider yourself lucky not on west coast then i guess
<factotum> Levander: true
<factotum> just a little hair of the dog
<Levander> factotum: just puts a nice perspective on things
<xerox> The LiveCD found the touchpad & the usb mouse, even if the first was disabled... the installed ubuntu didn't findt the first, what can I do to get it working=
<xerox> ?
<Xappe> airox, so LVM is something one could call software raid?
<returnthis> are there any docs on cups for ubuntu? I can't find any one the site
<Sonium_> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 just made a bz2 file in /usr/src
<factotum> yes, I would like to thank the sun for making me not sound quite so much like an alchie
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, you got anywhere?
<Sonium_> should't it be unpacked automaticaly?
<nis> Sonium_ I don't believe so.  You would just bzcat source.bz2 | tar -xvf -
<thoreauputic> isam: more or less crazy :)
<factotum> ugh, i have a job interview tomorrow morning...grrr
<Sonium_> what makes bzcat?
<isam> thoreauputic: crazy good or crazy bad ?
<nis> Sonium_ Probably bunzip or bzip
<returnthis> does anyone know how to reenable cups web interface?
<nis> isam: why not just comment out the debian mirrors in sources.list?
<factotum> for "design cordinator" at this design agency
<factotum> might pan out well though
<isam> nis: so, I won't need any of the debian sources along with Ubuntu ?
<returnthis> is there a user oriented ubuntu channel?
<raetsel> or a tar jvxf source.bz2 , Sonium that should work too
<nis> isam: not that I can see.  Haven't installed ubuntu yet; I'm trying to get all the *.deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives first, having moved all the debian versions out of it.
<isam> returnthis: from /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  .. under the "Listen" and "Port"
* OddAbe19 is away: Gone... Like the French in a battle.
<returnthis> isam: right thats working, but it says admin tasks have been disabled
<returnthis> so I can't do anything useful witht that interface
<isam> nis: I think that according to APT, giving a PIN value that is greater than 1000 gives the packages from the PINed source a high priority so that they overwrite other sources
<fsantos> Hi everyone! I'm trying to use Citrix ICA client and keep getting this error. /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfica: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<isam> returnthis: did you login in it ?
<isam> returnthis: enter the root passwd ?
<nis> isam: sounds like it should work then.
<returnthis> tried several things, including lppasswd
<returnthis> I can not get it to login at all
<thoreauputic> isam: no root password in ubuntu by default - uses sudo
<nis> isam: you'll know -- there are lots of 'ubuntu' strings in many .deb filenames in dselect.
<isam> one last thing.. anyone here know about a graphical LVM manager ? or a way to resize a Volume Group
<returnthis> I set the root passwd just to use that, still did not work
<djp> any dar users here?
<returnthis> I then tried lppasswd, still did not work
<raetsel> fsantos did you try looking in the synaptic pkg mgr for the libXaw?
<nis> returnthis: are you on the right port # for the cups server?
<returnthis> yes, the web page displays, I just can't do any admin tasks
<Goshawk> is there someone interested on usplash here?
<Trixisity> What's the best Multimedia-player to use?
<Trixisity> Xine? xmms?
<Goshawk> Trixisity, for me rythmbox
<Trixisity> kaboodle?
<djp> Trixisity: both xine and xmms are good
<djp> Trixisity: i just stick with the default players in ubuntu at the moment
<raetsel> fsantos: Just tried a quick check for the libXaw ver 7 is installed, ver 6 is available but not installed
<returnthis> I am trying to get a printer to work that will only use hpoj. ptal-print works fine
<raetsel> assuming that is the right library
<Trixisity> they didn't work for me djp
<fsantos> raetsel: I know this is present in this RPM: XFree86-libs-3.3.2pl2-1.i386.rpm
<djp> Trixisity: MPlayer is also very popular and amarok
<Trixisity> Totem it is called
<fsantos> Let me check...
<returnthis> I just can't get cups to use the printer at all... nor can I find an interface that will let me specify the printer
<Trixisity> I just don't know how to install those plugins
<Trixisity> for wmv, avi, asf and stuff
<djp> Trixisity: totem works fine for me for watching dvd's and playing back avi, mov files etc...
<returnthis> does anyone know what a cups uri is?
<nis> returnthis: I haven't run cups on anything but gentoo in a while; seems to me there's a step to allow a user to admin (I do know I login/password as unprivileged user).  Maybe add that user to some /etc/group?
<Trixisity> but can you see those life streams?
<Trixisity> they're .asx
<Trixisity> from sites
* djp is listening to Ted, Just Admit it by Janes' Addiction on Rhythmbox 0.8.8
<raetsel> Hmmm fsantos sounds like could be a library path thing then, though can you find the files other than in the rpm? check LD_LIBRARY_PATH maybe?
<Trixisity> it's a ms format
<returnthis> nis: I even went so far as loggin in as root
<djp> Trixisity: links?
<returnthis> nis: it looks like ubuntu has handicapped cups for security reasons.... with no docs on how to unhandicap it
<Bauhn> thoreauputic, Now i've got it working :D Thanks for the help
<fsantos> raetsel: how do I check if a certain lib is installed?
<brrrt>  hello, i need help getting my dxr3 card to run, could anyone help please?
<Trixisity> djp: http://interactive.creflodollarministries.org/broadcasts/wcm80w_v.asx
<returnthis> my current theory: if I can figure out what a cups uri is, I should be able to get it to work
<Trixisity> can you watch this?
<djp> Trixisity: according to my plugins i should be able to, however proof is in the testing and all that ...
<nis> returnthis: have you been able to use cups on other platforms okay?
<returnthis> nis: this is the first time I have used a printer in 15yrs of computers
<djp> Trixisity: giving it a try...
<returnthis> its proving to be quite challenging
<fsantos> ok
<returnthis> setting up a build farm was easier (and more thoroughly documented)
<SysFail> printers suck
<nis> fsantos: I usually list /var/lib/dpkg/info to figure out if something is installed or not.  Dunno if ubuntu places them there; if it's debian-based it should.
<fsantos> raetsel: I have run a find and got libXaw.so.7
<raetsel> as soon as a computer system has to talk to paper you are asking for trouble :o)
<raetsel> fsanstos: do you have the synaptic GUI package mgr?
<djp> Trixisity: totem opens up but it then informs me that the plugin is not supported
<thoreauputic> Bauhn: ah - good - sorry I was looking at work on another desktop
<nis> returnthis: haha (15 yrs remark).  Know the feeling.  cups never worked for me .. then one day it did.
<spiral> hmmm, any new about openoffice2 testing packages upgrades ?
<nis> returnthis: I thought ubuntu was supposed to 'just work' hehe.
<Bauhn> thoreauputic, np ;P now when i have the music i'll try with some IM :P
<thoreauputic> nis: it did for me (tm)
<nis> How do I silence all the join/leave messages in bitchx?  I rarely IRC.
<elshadii> I'm trying to find a mail notification pannel applet for gnome anyone have an opinion?
<djp> Bauhn: did you get your mp3's to play?
<DoppelGanger> ha ha bitchx
<thoreauputic> nis: get a decent client ? (joke)
<Bauhn> djp, yes :D
<airox> Can I install ndiswrapper modules when I run the livecd ?
<fsantos> raetsel: yes. I'm looking at it but can't find which package contains that lib... The RPM I mentioned eralier was found using google but I do not want to install it as I may break something.
<Bauhn> djp, do you know a good instant messenger which works with msn?
<thoreauputic> nis: seriously, if you like cli clients, try irssi
<airox> Cause it doesn't seem to have the ndiswrapper modules ...
<djp> Bauhn: :) good!
<thoreauputic> Bauhn: gaim
<raetsel> fsantos: in the synaptic mgr just click search and enter libaw6
<thoreauputic> Bauhn: installed by default
<nis> thoreauputic: I generally use silc
<djp> Bauhn: i don't to be honest. only really use IRC. Gaim is popular but i don't know if it supports msn or not?
<raetsel> it has the lovely ubuntu family circle by it in on my system fsantos so it part of the main ( I think )
<spiral> djp: I think so
<thoreauputic> nis: ah, OK - I don't know that one
<elshadii> Bauhn, gaim suppots msn
<Bauhn> thoreauputic, yes. i thought of gaim to.. but when i looked at their homepage i couldn't find any version for ubuntu or debian or something that i know is working with ubuntu.. which should i take
<Bauhn> ?
* thoreauputic googles
<spiral> Bauhn: apt-get install gaim
<djp> Bauhn: gaim should be installed by default
<ve3ixi> same something brilliant...up and running for an hour with ubuntu warty
<raetsel>  yes gaim supports MSN but aMSN is a nicer interface
<thoreauputic> Bauhn: ubuntu *comes* with gaim
<Bauhn> does it? :O
<Bauhn> hahahaha
<Bauhn> i didn't know that ;P
<nis> thoreauputic: silc (www.silcnet.org?) is irssi-based but has added stuph
<spiral> raetsel: hmmm... I find it quite ugly, I mean aMSN...
<thoreauputic> applications > internet > gaim
<usual> calc: you around?
<HrdwrBoB> bitlbee
<ve3ixi> ok guys yahoo messenger work with ubuntu
<calc> usual: yes
<HrdwrBoB> is also msn
<thoreauputic> nis: I see - thanks for the link :)
<ve3ixi> ???
<SysFail> bitlbee is cool
<SysFail> is that in synaptic?
<raetsel> Well it's as ugly as the windoze version I guess, Spiral :o)
<usual> calc: you use kde (i think) do you know if konq can do ftp and ssh like nautilus can?
<ve3ixi> and which download at the yahoo site?
<thoreauputic> sysyes
<calc> usual: konq can do anything
<djp> Trixisity: mplayer seems to be the answer to many peoples problems with the file type you want to use
<fsantos> raetsel: Dude... You just made my day! Thank you for showing me the obvious... ;-) I was trying to browse for it and couldn't find it anywhere. Search worked just fine! Excellent!
<calc> usual: much more than what nautilus can
<thoreauputic> hehe SysFail : yes
<usual> calc: ok, I tried putting ssh://site:port and it opens a term
<raetsel> Aww fsantos that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling :o)
<calc> usual: try fish://
<calc> usual: the kinfocenter (iirc) has a list of all the kioslaves
<spiral> usual: sftp:/
<raetsel> beginners luck mind you, I only installed Ubuntu yesterday
<usual> k
<usual> ty
<spiral> calc: better than fish, isn't it ?
<raetsel> so anyone know how to unsubscribe an account on the ubuntu website?
<calc> spiral: i think so, i don't remember what the difference is
<djp> any dar users online yet? :D
<raetsel> It's looking seriously like a Hotel California situation
<calc> i think fish is like scp and sftp is sftp...
<Fl-i-nT> jnc, anythign yet?
<thoreauputic> raetsel: does it matter if you have two accounts?
<raetsel> well I guess not, thoreauputic but I just wanted to be economical
* returnthis bashes head against wall
<thoreauputic> calc: fish uses some kind of clever perl script IIRC
<raetsel> just think of the extra bytes my settings take up on the ubuntu servers
<spiral> calc: I thought fish was kind of a "hack"... using ssh, cat, ls & co to transfer files... & sftp used a "new" function provided by the ssh servers
<raetsel> not going well then, returnthis?
<calc> spiral: ah maybe it is, i haven't used it much
<thoreauputic> raetsel: band width hog! *grin*
<Anubis> Nvidia installer won't work with 2.10.5 kernel
<returnthis> ok... why the hell would the default print manager be something so inebriated as gnome-cups-manager??
<Anubis> only 2.6.10.3
<Anubis> anyone experience similar
<Anubis> I have the linux-headers
<raetsel> On Mandrake I had a WEB browser based cups install that worked well. Any chance you can get that for ubuntu?
<thoreauputic> returnthis: have you read Eric Raymond's rant about cups?
<Anubis> raetsel, webmin
<thoreauputic> returnthis: cups has a ways to go....
<returnthis> that is what all docs say to use... and ubuntu decided to disable it
<returnthis> yeah read that
<raetsel> lol@thoreauputic, plus it impinges my human rights , right to pribacy
<raetsel> no separate from webmin, Anubis
<raetsel> -b+v
<nis> I like CUPS but I'd hate to have to understand or support it. ;)
<SysFail> great nick anubis
<returnthis> so I have been trying to figure out how re-enable cups web interface
<SysFail> Anubis
<SysFail> heh
<Anubis> thx
<SysFail> you a stargate fan?
<thoreauputic> raetsel: yeah, all those check boxes on the ubuntu site asking if you want to be sent the latest product information and magazines... really intrusive ;-)
<returnthis> how much is paid support for ubuntu?
<MMond> depends
<odie5533> how do I start the sound server?
<Anubis> any k7 uesrs here with nvidia?
<raetsel> try this link, return this http://faq.jdshelp.org/faq/cache/166.html
<djp> Anubis: yes
<Anubis> who also oused the nvidia installer?
<thoreauputic> returnthis: a question for Canonical :)
<Anubis> djp, latest nvidia driver?
<raetsel> now it is just plain irritating thoreauputic. Their joining email ought to say - if you wish to unsubscribe click here
<djp> Anubis: no. i used the nvidia-glx driver in the universe repo
<Trixisity> Why can't my pc find the apt-get packages?
<thoreauputic> raetsel: agreed
<Anubis> uh
<Anubis> why are people still using the old nvidia driver?
<returnthis> raetsel: I think that might be it
<Anubis> that driver blows for my card
* returnthis gets his hopes up
<Trixisity> when I type apt-get totem-xine
<Trixisity> he can't find it
<raetsel> *raetsel is two for two (maybe)*
<djp> Anubis: that driver works fine for me. i only have an old geforce2 mx card though
<nis> djp: running an iMac?
<Anubis> djp, I have a Geforce4 MMX 440 and I gained 200fps!
<djp> Trixisity: have you setup your repos?
<Trixisity> I'm new to ubuntu
<Trixisity> I don't know what repos is
<raetsel> I can't even find the appropriate place to post a question about unsubscribing. Is ubuntu part of the Illuminati? :o)
<conner> Anubis: what kernel are you running? I have that card.
<returnthis> hrmmm not it
<raetsel> awww, sorry returnthis, (hits the post)
<Anubis> conner, Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-3-k7 #1 Tue Feb 15 20:45:29 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
<returnthis> there are big red letters saying the web ui has been disabled
<returnthis> with instructions specific to ubuntu
<conner> Anubis: Thanks. I'm running the 2.6.10-5-686 kernel and it doesn't work on mine.
<Anubis> conner, try that kernel and the nvidia installer and see if it works?
<thoreauputic> Trixisity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
<nis> So where do I get a list of ubuntu mirrors?
<returnthis> ok spent too much time on this....
<returnthis> thnx for the help
<nis> returnthis: good luck.
<Trixisity> thanks
<conner> Anubis: Can't run that kernel. I have a P4.
<Anubis> conner, the P4 version of that kernel version then?
<returnthis> oh cool... no support for universe ... where I had to get the print driver from
<returnthis> *sigh*
<conner> Anubis: I'll try back-rev'ing to that version and see if it is a recent problem. It was running fine when I was on the earlier 386 kernel.
<nis> returnthis: Aw, c'mon. Enjoy the hack.
<odie5533> How do I set the flash screen in gnome?
<djp> nis: no
<raetsel> returnthis this link suggests you are on a hiding to nothing for cups webmin http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2126.html
<geneo93> is the iso torrent any newer than just the iso's
<raetsel> I take it the gnome interface won't do what you want, returnthis?
<tullyan> hi
<tullyan> i am new here
<raetsel> hi tullyan, so am I
<djp> Anubis: well done! i don't use the pc for gaming to be honest though...
<tullyan> i have a little problem with my ubuntu
<thoreauputic> hmm, the screenshot has disappeared from  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto  for some reason...
<tullyan> hi raetsel
<nis> Every set of controls on the computer should have an 'AND I MEAN IT' button or modifier.
<tullyan> can anyone help me!
<tullyan> ?
<tullyan> please!
<wastrel> hi!
<tullyan> hi!
<jujusix> there are french people?
<raetsel> what's the problem tullyan?
<wastrel> i see french people
<returnthis> raetsel: no it doesn't... and whenever I get close gnome-cups crashes
<thoreauputic> tullyan: hard to say since you haven't asked anything else...
<tullyan> i have a problem with my user
<tullyan> when i start my computer
<thoreauputic> tullyan: be concise and informative, please
<tullyan> and ubuntu is starting to ling screen
<returnthis> will save this for another day, thnx
<tullyan> the sound is al right
<tullyan> but after login of only one special user
<raetsel> tullyan is really building the tension :o)
<tullyan> the sound won work anymore
<odie5533> Is there a way to set the splash scren startup on gnome?
<thoreauputic> tullyan:  is that user in the audio group?
<tullyan> audio grou?
<tullyan> p?
<raetsel> is that if you login directly as that user tullyan or of you switch to that user after logging in as another?
<tullyan> direct login
<tullyan> the sound worked until yesterday
<thoreauputic> tullyan: to use sound, the user must be in the audio group
<raetsel> ah I found I can't switch to another user ang get the sound to worl
<raetsel> -l+k
<phw> thoreauputic: he is using the std ubuntu user
<phw> so he should be
<tullyan> yes
<thoreauputic> tullyan: type ` groups ` in  terminal to see the groups the user belongs to
<thoreauputic> phw: are you sure ?
<phw> well you always can try
<tullyan> ok wait
<tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups
<tullyan> tullyan
<tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $
<phw> oh
<raetsel> ah
<thoreauputic> oops
<nis> thoreauputic: ha!  never seen the 'groups' command before!  cool.
<phw> tullyan: have you deleted your user and added it?
<maxchee> how to uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
<tullyan> maybe
<tullyan> i think so
<tullyan> why?
<thoreauputic> tullyan: you will have to add yourself to all default groups
<tullyan> oh
<tullyan> aha
<nis> maxchee: that target has a *lot* of dependencies.
<djp> anyone using dar to auto backup?
<conner> tullyan: Here's what shows on mine. conner adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
<phw> tullyan then "usermod tullyan -G audio"
<Anubis> djp, it worked?
<tullyan> ok i will try that
<tullyan> wait shortly
<raetsel> or you could use the user tool under Computer->System Configuration
<djp> Anubis: i am having problems getting the cron job to work...
<thoreauputic> tullyan: to take effect, adding a user to a group requires logout/login
<djp> Anubis: managed to make a full backup from command line
<Anubis> djp, I meant the kernel and nvidia?
<nis> Well it's back to the great download of all the .debs for ubuntu.  Best regards, all. -nis
<raetsel> phw doesn't usermod -G change it to be just that one group rather than adding that group to the list of allowable groups?
<ephemeral> can anyone explain why [http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso]   didnt come with GNOME>?
<raetsel> on hpux you have have to use usermod -G g1,g2,g4 etc
<thoreauputic> he should use  sudo adduser "user" "group"
<djp> Anubis: sorry! no i haven't tried it. happy with my setup in that department for now. dar is my problem at the moment! ;)
<phw> raetsel no -g does do that
<thoreauputic> but there's a GUI for it in system administration
<phw> -G are secondary groups
<dashnu> sudo vi /etc/group ;)
<dashnu> -G is for multiple groups
<nis> raetsel: -G is correct as you state it.
<thoreauputic> dashnu: that's another way
<thoreauputic> yes
<odie5533> Is there any good ftp software for ubuntu?
<thoreauputic> adduser is quick for one user/froup
<raetsel> use the pointy-clicky tool tallyan
<wastrel> ftp server or client?
<raetsel> The man for usermod says :" If the user
<odie5533> client
<raetsel>               is currently a member of a group which is not listed,  the  user
<raetsel>               will be removed from the group
<raetsel> "
<wastrel> client:  commandline ncftp gui gftp
<plagerism> whats the piece of software that catches keystrokes and tells you what the were??
<dashnu> ncftp has my vote
<tullyan> hi guys
<raetsel> there is a certain irony in your name and your request plagerism :o)
<thoreauputic> plagerism: a keylogger?
<dashnu> installing ubuntu for my dad :D
<jk> plagerism:  xev
<tullyan> i added my usr
<tullyan> to the named groups
<raetsel> did it work tullyan?
<nis> plagerism: 'script'
<tullyan> no, i am afraid
<HillTop> DarthFrog, calc, I tried The Famous Fork Bomb in Kubuntu Hoary livecd on a 200MH and it locked up in less than a second. Mouse, stuck, top in console stopped. ctrl-alt-backspace -- nothing.  :(
<djp> thoreauputic: u don't happen to have any idea about cron jobs do you? :)
<tullyan> when i start real player
<tullyan> it tells me;
<thoreauputic> tullyan: did ou log out and in again?
<plagerism> jk thank you
<plagerism> thats the one
<tullyan> that the audio device cannot be startet
<tullyan> my mixer says
<ephemeral> can anyone explain why [http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso]   didnt come with GNOME>?
<tullyan> no mixer support of device
<nis> raetsel: ha (irony remark)
<thoreauputic> djp: no, not really - the syntax is kind of arcane
<raetsel> what does "groups" show you now  tullyan?
<tullyan> anyone have an idea?
<djp> thoreauputic: oh well, worth a shot... ;)
<thoreauputic> djp: I  haven't had a need for it (smal home network)
<tullyan> hm...
<tullyan> still nothing
<tullyan> strange
<tullyan> ...
<raetsel> tullyan try a groups command for a user that does work and a groups command for one that does not
<dashnu> raetsel, what groups you are currently in
<nis> djp: what? u want to know how to instantiate a std cron job?
<thoreauputic> djp: KDE has a poit 'n click tool for it - dunno about gnome
<phw> tullyan what does "groups" return?
<_linux_newb_away> CPU[Pentium II (Klamath) clocked at 300.094 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.8-2-686 i686]   Up[-7:00-]   Mem[-172.324/187.48MB-]   HDD[-15GB(16%used)-]   Procs[-52-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1] 
<djp> thoreauputic: trying to automate a backup here iz all
<raetsel> simon adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
<tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups andreas
<tullyan> andreas : andreas dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
<tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ groups tullyan
<tullyan> tullyan : tullyan
<tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $
<tullyan> tullyan does not work
<raetsel> tullyan I would try the graphical tull under Computer-System Configuration->User & Groups
<phw> tullyan is you user you use called "andreas" ?
<thoreauputic> tullyan: "tullyan" is the one that needs to be added
<tullyan> the user that works is andreas
<phw> or tullyan?
<tullyan> the user that does not
<tullyan> is tullyan
<phw> well then you have to add the user tullyan to the other groups
<phw> so its just
<tullyan> i already tried with that tool
<phw> usermod tullyan -G tullyan dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
<[FiDO] > can anyone suggest a good p2p program other then bittorrent to use for linux
<raetsel> oh and what does it do tullyan?
<nis> djp:  export VISUAL=vim && crontab -e
<linuxnoob> hey, has anyone been able to install eutils??
<_linux_newb_> hello linuxnoob
<linuxn00b> Hi :)
<djp> nis: what does that do?
<raetsel> you might need commas to separate them not white space , phw
<tullyan> tullyan@ubuntu:~ $ usermod tullyan -G tullyan dialout cdrom floppy audio
<tullyan> usermod: Benutzer audio nicht vorhanden
<phw> oh yes sure
<phw> sorry
<nis> djp: puts you into the vim editor editing your crontab.
<vafnord> I just changed out an nvidia graphics card for an oldish ATI card.  Can someone help me with my XF86Config?
<raetsel> use , instead of whitespace
<phw> tullyan you have to use colons instead of spaces
<raetsel> commas
<phw>  usermod tullyan -G tullyan,dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio
<raetsel> that's the boy
<nis> djp: at least in debian it does, and in every (just about) Linux I've used (many).
<thoreauputic> tullyan: wrong syntax
<thoreauputic> -G in wrong place
<dashnu> usermod -G adm,dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,dip,src,video,plugdev,lpadmin,scanner tullyan
<djp> nis: sorry, i have edited my crontab. my problem is this ...No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program. Reading config file: /root/.darrc
<raetsel> hehe it's an international usermod competition
<DarthFrog> W00t!  I just installed Wine and now have DVD Shrink working in linux. :-)
<dashnu> :D i came in late on the conv.. i shall butt out
<vafnord> What's DVD Shrink?
<raetsel> and the prize goes to dashnu
<raetsel> you got it I think dashnu
<dashnu> heh
<nis> djp: Sounds like you have to redirect input for the job you're calling.  I've never done that; I generally craft a shell script and direct output to /dev/null.
<tullyan> hm
<DarthFrog> vafnord: It's a freeware Windows program that decrypts commercial DVDs and shrinks them to DVR-R size for burning.
<nis> djp: e.g.   sh ./myscript < commands.txt    <-- redirects input from a file called commands.txt
<linuxn00b> so has anyone been able to install eutils, because I can't install it even after a fresh install
<djp> nis: can i point you to the script in question?
<nis> djp: not yet.  I haven't installed ubuntu.  I'm running debian woody on powerpc.
<nis> djp: but you can mail it to me at 'chris@river.org' if you like.  I'll take a look at it.
<thoreauputic> nis: ppc ubuntu rocks! :D
<djp> nis: http://gradha.sdf-eu.org/textos/dar-differential-backup-mini-howto.en.html#setting-up-some-scripts-to-automate-the-process
<nis> thoreauputic: does it?  I'm praying it fixes a few things that are bugging me.  <-- iMac G4 w/flat panel here.
<raetsel> tullyan has gone very quiet
<djp> nis: sorry, it is actually available to see in html
<nis> djp: rgr.
<thoreauputic> nis: I have warty on my iBook G4 1.2 Ghz
<vafnord> oooh
<vafnord> I just changed out an nvidia graphics card for an oldish ATI card.  Can someone help me with my XF86Config?
<djp> nis: that is basically what i am using. as i say though, when i run it, said problem is reported in my mbox
<raetsel> aufweidersehen, tullyan
<thoreauputic> nis: the only real problem is unsupported Airport Extreme
<nis> djp: do u know that the trailing \ chars must be the very last chars on that line?
<djp> nis: let me check that...
<nis> thoreauputic: I just want APM to work, and a way to dim the LCD backlight to nothing. ;)
<nis> I'm burning an expensive iMac by running it full-on, 24/7.
<maxchee> does anyone know how to uninstall ubuntu-desktop package completely along with all dependancies?
<thoreauputic> nis: brightness control works well on the iBook ( goes to blackness if desired) The keys for it work fine
<nis> thoreauputic: wow.
<thoreauputic> nis: I also got mac-on-linux running on it
<raetsel> well when I was playing around with firefox upgrade maxchee I seemed to uninstall it using synaptic mgr
<conner> maxchee: check out debfoster. apt-get install debfoster (but you might need universe)
<thoreauputic> the sound keys and all work , too
<nis> thoreauputic: been running M-O-L for 2 yrs.  Sound started working better about 9 months ago.
<nis> harrenschmitt (sp) is gh0d
<djp> nis: my scripts are identical in layout to those at the link given, with just some changes to obvious locations and devices
<DarthFrog> maxchee: Use Synaptic.
<nis> djp: what's the error again? It wants some kind of interactive input right?
<thoreauputic> nis: I enjoy the irony of running windows media player occasionally, on OS-X, on linux ( call me peculiar, but it amuses me to see it in that context)
<djp> nis: yes. error is No terminal found for user interaction. All questions will abort the program. Reading config file: /root/.darrc
<nis> djp: I'd definitely break that script down to components and debug it interactively until it works flawlessly before attempting to make it run under cron.
<nis> thoreauputic: I stopped running M-O-L after the Apple great security flaw of last spring.
<djp> nis: sure. i think i should give that a go. like you say, get it working then think about attempting to automate it. thanks for looking though.
<thoreauputic> nis: I don't know about that - recent mac owner - what was the flaw?
<raetsel> djp, using "at now" might be a quicker way to debug it for when it runs without a terminal
<nis> djp: sure.  It says something about /system/ in italics.  Is that the user running the cron job?
<nis> thoreauputic: well the short version is that you had to d/l like a 65 meg 'patch' from Apple.  I think it was a flaw in Panther. Allowed arbitrary exec. through any web browser.
#ubuntu 2005-04-01
<nis> thoreauputic: e.g. you click on a link on a web site designed to exploit it, and they can exec arbitrary script on your machine.
<thoreauputic> nis: scary
<djp> nis: i think that is referring to a full system backup script. i am trying to get the differential backup script to work. i have tested the full backup manually and got it to work but haven't tried it as a cron job yet.
<thoreauputic> nis: I assume my recent install would have incorporated the patch (January this year)
<HillTop> DarthFrog, calc, You there??
<raetsel> well time for bed for me
<raetsel> goodnight all
<DarthFrog> HillTop: Sometimes. :-)
<thoreauputic> night raetsel
<nis> thoreauputic: it angered me -- I wasn't about to d/l a 65 meg 'patch' for something that should not have been there.  It was a *big* flaw, on par with Microsoft's usual lousy security.  So I stopped using Mac OS X when the modem established internet connectivity via pppd or whatever.
<djp> night raetsel
<monteiro> i can't install nvidia drivers on my 686 2.6.10 kernel, i install the deb but when i make modprobe nvidia he says that don't exist, in my 386 kernel worked well , anyone can help me ?
<HillTop> DarthFrog,  I tried The Famous Fork Bomb in Kubuntu Hoary livecd on a 200MH and it locked up in less than a second. Mouse, stuck, top in console stopped. ctrl-alt-backspace -- nothing.  :(
<DarthFrog> HillTop: LOL!
<nis> thoreauputic: I'm sure they learned a lesson, and you don't have the flaw.  But you might want to google for it; it was very easy to test for.
<thoreauputic> nis: right . I find I use linux almost all the time anyway - I don't really like OS-X that much: too much is "hidden" and hard to find under the hood
<maxchee> does anyone know how to use debfoster?
<thoreauputic> I tried fink etc, but then I figured I have allthat in linux, so why bother
<nis> thoreauputic: yep, exactly.  When I bought the iMac I was thinking, 'Okay, *BSD. Good -- another Unix.'  Then I looked at what was really available under a GPL-type of license.
<thoreauputic> nis: yes, it's not exactly "free as in speech", is it ?
<nis> btw I'm coming off a 1.5 year stint on Gentoo.
<MicroChris> hello :-)
<HillTop> DarthFrog,  Do you know if Ubuntu live has tohd=/dev/hda1    and fromhd=/dev/hda1    as KNOPPIX does?
<Spooks> Finally, got it reconnected
<DarthFrog> HillTop: Sorry, no.
<nis> thoreauputic: aqua and company is too much abstraction. It's too Macish. ;)
<thoreauputic> nis: I have neither the bandwidth noer the patience for gentoo ;)
<thoreauputic> nis: haha - yeah, the trouble with Mac is its Macishness ;)
<nis> thoreauputic: right.  Gentoo was really fun, but it took up all my time.
<nis> I've been using Debian since about 1995 or so.
<nis> I've never been without at least one working Debian box.
<MicroChris> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-686, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
<MicroChris> omg
<thoreauputic> nis: debian for two years, a stint with mandrake before that - I now have two Ubuntu installs and a woody on an old P 200 mmx
<nis> thoreauputic: so why ubuntu .. really?  For me I just wanted to see if there were more pix of that blonde at top of family circle. ;)
<monteiro> MicroChris : you've nvidia working ?
<MicroChris> Ill be sticking with Ubuntu for years
<thoreauputic> nis: oh, and debian sarge on another
<MicroChris> monteiro, naa Radeon 7500 :-\
<monteiro> MicroChris : :((( ok , i've problems with nvidia only with the 686 2.6.10 kernel
<MicroChris> i upgraded to hoary last night, and had this reallly crappy res that was making my eyes bug out
<MicroChris> ahh
<thoreauputic> nis: the blonde is nice :) But I like the community/ philosophy and it solved my sound problems out of the box...
<MicroChris> monteiro, did you try upgrading to 2.6.11.x?
<nis> thoreauputic: how can a debian derivative be more secure than testing or unstable debian?
<monteiro> MicroChris : yes
<monteiro> MicroChris : same think
<djp> nis: things are happening!
<monteiro> MicroChris : i installed nvidia-glx 2 :(
<MicroChris> ahh that sucks :-(
<odie5533> When I try install w32codecs it tells me E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
<thoreauputic> nis: secure? I'm not running a server here and I have a firewall - I guess they're about equal
<nis> djp: cool!
<cusco> hi folks
<MicroChris> hey cusco
<cusco> I have a data link cable using usbnet as a driver
<EddieX> I wonder, what has happend to epiphiany? ;)
<cusco> but when I type ifup usb0 it says: error for wireless request "set encode"
<thoreauputic> odie5533: because you don't have the marillat repository, I expect
<cusco> why wireless?
<nis> thoreauputic: well I was not happy with constant state of flux of Gentoo in terms of security; Woody is secure as all heck but is old.  testing and unstable (debian) are said to be insecure, by the Deb security team FAQ itself. (they say 'run woody').
<odie5533> I dont
<odie5533> ill add it
<MicroChris> IMO, Ubuntu > Gentoo
<cusco> I was taking http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ as a tutorial
<MicroChris> hands down
<MicroChris> heh
<cusco> could anyone give me some lights on this networking issue with usbnet
<BSDskin> if anyone's up for an xorg question, I got one that needs tackling
<MicroChris> sure
<MicroChris> shoot
<nis> I looked at sourcemage -- I thot it was pretty strange (just the chatter on their website).  Too dungeons & dragons for my tastes.
<djp> nis: gonna leave this thing running and see what the outcome is. my changes have made it do something and it has got further than before anyhow. have to wait and see if i get a cron message when it finishes. off for some kip now. thanks for the insight
<thoreauputic> nis: for what it's worth, my warty install has had a constant stream of security updates
<MicroChris> BSDskin, PM me if you want
<nis> djp: welcome.
<nis> thoreauputic: yes, but the debian security mirror model seems well-implemented in ubuntu. I saw it working early.
<calc> nis: unstable is likely to be more secure than testing on debian, yes
<thoreauputic> nis: mostly small, a few bigger ( 80MB) but I have a lot of dev packages, which tends to double the patches up, I think
<nis> thoreauputic, calc: I'm considering learning how to build everything in ubuntu from source.
* madstop hates the sound of breaking glass
<calc> nis: what does that accomplish?
<thoreauputic> nis: the guys with canonical and co seem to be right on the ball
<nis> (having used portage for a year and a half under gentoo)
<nis> calc: optimization.
<calc> its trivial to build the stuff from source, yes but it doesn't buy you anything
<calc> nis: ah good luck with that
<JDahl> nis, there's not much to learn, I think...
<nis> altivec!
<nis> ;)
<calc> nis: the time wasted by doing that is not offset by any trivial speedup
<thoreauputic> calc: I'm inclined to agree
<elixir> Hi, Everyone, I've got a question... Is there a "how-to" patch ubuntu's kernel to use bootsplash?
<calc> i don't know about ppc but it definitely isn't time well spent on i386
<nis> calc: might expose some security flaws and I might actually contrib a patch now and then.  Don't forget I'm running on a not well-understood platform (iMac G4)
<thoreauputic> nis: quite a few ubuntu devs seem to run macs
<nis> There's probably less than 1000 iMac G4 users running any Linux variant 24/7. ;)
<jim_jacques> can someone give me a hint on how to solve a segmentation fault problem, please?
<calc> i've seen quite a few gnome/debian/ubuntu people that run macs
<elixir> how to install a bootsplash? I need a "how-to"...
<nis> calc: I hope so. ;)
<calc> though they probably don't all have G4's
<thoreauputic> elixir: gogle is your friend :)
<calc> even linus uses G5 for the past few years (that news article was very out of date)
<thoreauputic> *google
<elixir> I found a patch in the official bootsplash webpage... but it's for a different kernel version :S
<elixir> I'm using Hoary... kernel 2.6.10
<nis> Well ubuntu is worth a shot.
<jim_jacques> does anyone else get segmentation faults on hoary a lot?
<nis> I still don't know where to look for mirrors to point /etc/apt/sources.list to tho.
<calc> nis: point at archive.ubuntulinux.org ?
<nis> calc: yes, that works, I was hoping for a local mirror nearer to me.
<nis> (east coast usa)
<nis> I use debian.crosslink.net here, for debian.
<madstop> anybody seen these:  "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting."
<calc> nis: their website has a list of mirrors by country
<nis> calc: o btw, I have to modify the kernel myself to get sound working on the iMac.
<madstop> eh, that's kde, "artsmessage"
<nis> calc: thanks!  haven't seen that yet.  Will look.
<thoreauputic> nis: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Archive  has mirror listings
<thoreauputic> as well
<nis> thoreauputic: ding! THANKX
<nis> that pays the freight.
<nis> it'd be nice to get the iMac microphone working.  that'd be neat.
<calc> erm totem-xine in hoary is buggy
<calc> its eating 66% cpu on a athlon64 3200 to just stream a 96k mp3
* calc tries logging out to see if some other part of gnome is causing the issue
<EddieX> I got a really hang on my system today, the webradio was fine but everything just freezed. Have checked the logs but could not find anything.. Anyone who had this?
<GnuKemist> hello all
<calc> heh yea gnome was biting it
<DazeD||laptop> hello
<calc> now its only using 3% cpu
* calc kicks gnome
* DazeD||laptop hugs gnome
<Fackamato> hm
<DazeD||laptop> lol
<calc> linux desktop is getting to be about as reliable as win98
<Fackamato> has anyone solved the issue with xorg eating cpu resources?
<calc> Fackamato: trying logging out and back in it might fix it
<DazeD||laptop> calc: where do you get that idea from?
<calc> Fackamato: totem was just eating 66% for me until i did that
<EddieX> calc, I agree :)
<Fackamato> calc: It didn't solve it for me, moving around a window still eats lots of cpu resources. :/
<calc> DazeD||laptop: gnome is always causing problems for me, i have to log out to get it to start working right again
<calc> Fackamato: you may be using a bad video driver or something like that then
<DazeD||laptop> craziness...works great with me
<Fackamato> well
<Fackamato> tried with the latest nvidia driver, and I'm now using 66.29, same :\
<Fackamato> and I've got both 2D and 3D acceleration
<thoreauputic> calc: don't forget that gnome 2.10 is *very* new - warty with xfree seems OK here
<nis> gnome is quite difficult to build from sources.
<Spooks> sleep time
<rabidgoblin> hey does it matter if i get a newer version of kernel-sources than my kernel for the nvidia driver?
<Fackamato> uh yeah
<thoreauputic> rabidgoblin: yes it does
<Fackamato> of course it does
<rabidgoblin> thought so
<rabidgoblin> hmm
<thoreauputic> rabidgoblin: thay must match
<rabidgoblin> exactly? like 2.6.10-5?
<thoreauputic> rabidgoblin: exactly
<thoreauputic> as in  linux-sources-$(uname -r)
<rabidgoblin> hmm theres no kernel-sources-2.6.10-5
<thoreauputic> linux-sources in ubuntu
<rabidgoblin> linux-sources?
<thoreauputic> just to make life confusing :/
<rabidgoblin> ok
<nick_m> anyone know how i get the exact kernel source that was used in the 5.04 preview live cd?
<thoreauputic> linux-headers, linux-sources, linux-image
<calc> nick_m: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.10/changelog.gz
<nis> oh! clarkson.edu is in NY.
<calc> nick_m: erm thats not the proper url
<calc> nick_m: it will look something like that depending on the exact kernel package name
<nick_m> if i apt-get source linux-source-2.6.10 and drop the config in from the live cd, there are differences..
<nick_m> calc, thanks.. but its all newer now..
<calc> nick_m: you can get it out of the morgue most likely
<calc> nick_m: assuming you find out the rev that is installed on the live cd
<djst> this is lame to say in an #ubuntu channel, but i must say i really like ubuntu
<Blissex> djst: good taste :-)
<sal002> Are there any comparisons of warty and hoary online?
<actionjackson> how do I get ouyt of the terminal after I type sudo nano /etc/hdparm.conf and saving my settings?
<actionjackson> ^X doesn't seem to do it?
<GnuKemist> actionjackson, typed exit?
<actionjackson> I did and nothing happens?!
<nick_m> calc, hmm.. i'm trying to save myself some time and failing :( if i just want to add a module to the livecd, would i be better off using the daily preview? is the apt source in sync with that?
<GnuKemist> actionjackson, do you mean get out of nano?
<actionjackson> yes
<calc> nick_m: no idea
<thoreauputic> ^X means ctrl-X
<GnuKemist> ctrl + x
<thoreauputic> in case that's the problem
<GnuKemist> thoreauputic, I think you nailed it
<actionjackson> sorry for being so ignorant guys:)
<GnuKemist> actionjackson, don't apologize... it's ok
<GnuKemist> actionjackson, been there, done that
<thoreauputic> actionjackson: understandable - it isn't obvious :)
<actionjackson> yeah, just did that and it worked... thanks!
<nick_m> calc, thanks anyway :)
<GnuKemist> brb
<nis> actionjackson: can't you just click on the window decoration of nano that has the X in it?
<thoreauputic> nis: he was trying to exit the editor, not the shell
<nis> oh -- wait -- nano is PICO.
<nis> yeah, ^X does it there.
<thoreauputic> nis: clone of, yeah
<actionjackson> that's right
<sal002> Is it a pretty seemless upgrade to hoary - just apt-get dist-upgrade and presto?
<nis> actionjackson: try 'joe' if available.
<MMond> thoreauputic: Busy? Wanna walk me through that.. thing?
<actionjackson> nis, got it under control now...
<thoreauputic> MMond: fluxbox?
<MMond> Mmmhmm
<nis> sal002: you should always upgrade the 'base' first. essential packages; esp libc and perl.
<thoreauputic> MMond: can you wait 5 minutes? I'm on dialup and about to lose the connection
<MMond> Oh, okies. np.
<thoreauputic> MMond: I'll be back in 5
<MMond> Others were asking if it comes with suckit ;D
<MMond> kk
<sal002> nis: so apt-get upgrade?
<GnuKemist> back
<nis> sal002: I've never done it that way (this is years of Debian upgrades by hand after being bit).
<sal002> nis: Ahh
<odie5533> Is there any good java IDE for ubuntu?
<nis> sal002: I do it the hard way; I generally work at dselect until it doesn't ask for any downloads (use = key and Q keybinding) first.
<sal002> Eclipse
<odie5533> Is it in the repositories?
<GnuKemist> odie5533, try Eclipse
<nis> sal002: once dselect doesn't want anything it's an excellent tool for solving dependencies.
<sal002> nis: I installed ubuntu that way after the installer crapped out ;)
<nis> sal002: try setting    Download-Only "true";   in /etc/apt/apt.conf
<nis> that'll prevent dselect from installing anything.
<nis> it'll just grab all the .deb files from the mirror.
<CarlK_> did a new hoary image get released today?
<nis> after that you   'dpkg -i filename.deb'  or  move all the wanted .deb files to a directory and type 'dpkg -i *.deb' to install just those, together.
<nis> if it breaks, 'dpkg --pending --configure' generally fixes things.
<thoreauputic> MMond: did you see my /msg ?
<CarlK_> I just finished downloading hoary-install-i386.iso, ran rsync on it and the eta is 2 hours
<CarlK_> at 79.50kB/s
<lrojas> hi all, this might be dumb but how do i make sure i have the new nvidia drivers installed in hoary?
<nis> rsync over ssh will be running encrypted. /random thot
<nis> lrojas: dmesg
<sal002> nis: That seems to be a good method.
<sal002> Of course, this is a test machine, so if it crashes, I could care less
<nis> sal002: it's slow but it is a great ratchet when changing to a new release of Debian.
<thoreauputic> MMond: erm.. do you still want help, or have you gone to sleep?
<McVerne> is there a jigdo file for kubuntu live cd?
<nis> I don't let dselect install .deb files until a new release is completely installed; then I allow apt to install by changing Download-Only to "false".
<lrojas> nis, ok how do i make sense of all that.. if i dont see anything related to nvidia, how do i add the nvidia modules?
<ngd> hey guys, does anyone know to make the defualt firefox theme the actually default firefox theme
<nis> lrojas: dmesg | more
<nis> lrojas: look for the video stuph
<ngd> at the moment it uses some ugly gnome icons
<thoreauputic> lrojas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<ngd> anybody else noticed that?
<odie5533> Where can I download Eclipse for Ubuntu?
<nis> lrojas: just after 'Console' will be a msg something like 'rivafb: PCI nVidia NV10 framebuffer ver 0.9.4b (GeForce2-MX, 32MB @ 0x98000000)' (mine's powerpc tho)
<GnuKemist> ngd, have you tried going to tools and selecting the appropriate theme and setting it as the default one?
<sal002> nis: And pretty safe, from what I gather.  Good for environments that need to stay up
<GnuKemist> odie5533, not sure if there's a deb for it but head on down to IBM (I think that is where they have it)
<sal002> odie5533: I think you can download the eclipse package at www.eclipse.org
<apokryphos> McVerne: no
<GnuKemist> sal002, there u go... wasn't sure they had their own site  ;)
<sal002> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2664.html
<ngd> GnuKemist: I haven't installed any themes
<sal002> err..http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
<ngd> GnuKemist: I selected the default theme again to make sre, but it just uses gnome icons which look rubbish
<nis> sal002: I find libc and perl most sensitive; then dpkg suite (including apt dselect etc.) and then to the rest of the required packages.
<GnuKemist> ngd, I usually get something to replace the default one right away on a new install ;)
<deceptiiive> Hey, anyone know where to get 3d backgrounds for e17? just installed, and lurvin :-D
<nis> sal002: dselect does a good job showing things by priority, top to bottom.  I was quite happy ubuntu didn't remove dselect from its toolchain.
<ngd> yeah, I guess that's the best fix, it's just I dont get why it isnt the actual _default_ font
<GnuKemist> ngd, may I suggest the Qute theme?
<GnuKemist> ngd, agreed
<ngd> GnuKemist: cool I'll have a butchers
<nis> sal002: you just have to stomp it with a lot of iterative = and Q keypresses after an (U)pdate. ;)
<GnuKemist> ngd, https://addons.update.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=7
<ngd> GnuKemist: muuucchhh better :-)
<ngd> GnuKemist: cheers dude
<PacoBCN> guys, do you know any cd/mp3 cataloguer?
<GnuKemist> ngd, right on dude!  :)
<PacoBCN> I need to sort my music collection
<MicroChris> Is there Synaptic on Hoary? If not, whats in place of it
<nis> sal002: you can also use a chroot jail on a new tree if you have room.  start dselect inside the jail.
<PacoBCN> MicroChris, yes
<PacoBCN> there is
<MicroChris> i cant find it :-(
<GnuKemist> MicroChris, yup...  under System -> Administration
<PacoBCN> ?
<MicroChris> ahh
<GnuKemist> ;)
<PacoBCN> Really?
<GnuKemist> yup
<MicroChris> i dont see it
<MicroChris> heh
<vafnord> I switched out an nvidia video card for an ati rage 128.  I need help getting it working.
<PacoBCN> MicroChris, try typing "synaptic" in your console
<MicroChris> chris@ubuntu:~ $ synaptic
<MicroChris> bash: synaptic: command not found
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, can always rely on the console...  heh
<BSDskin> aptitude?
<ngd> any larswm users in here?
<PacoBCN> MicroChris, ok, install it then :D
<GnuKemist> MicroChris, weird... it wasn't installed by default?
<MicroChris> :-( nope
<MicroChris> lol
<PacoBCN> MicroChris, probably it was uninstalled somehow
<MicroChris> very weird
<MicroChris> ahh
<PacoBCN> don't panic :D
<MicroChris> lol
<GnuKemist> MicroChris, apt-get it
<PacoBCN> "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
<GnuKemist> MicroChris, simple solution
<MicroChris> got it
<MicroChris> thanks guys
<PacoBCN> got the app?
<PacoBCN> or installed it?
<GnuKemist> MicroChris, my pleasure
<PacoBCN> now help me, guys :D
<GnuKemist> hehe
<PacoBCN> any music cataloguer known?
<PacoBCN> just need to sort my music collection
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, tried Rhythmbox?
<lrojas> sorry to bother, after i install the driver how do i fix X configuration so it uses the nvidia driver?
<PacoBCN> Rhythbox is a player
<GnuKemist> lrojas, you have to change the driver from nv to nvidia
<lrojas> where?
<PacoBCN> I need something that will also add all the thousands of cds I have
<lrojas> whats the name of the file i have to edit
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, you want to be able to edit the tags and such?
<lrojas> ?
<username> if I go to 'Network' and navigate to a smb folder on the network, where is this actually mounted in ubuntu?
<GnuKemist> lrojas, xorg.config
<PacoBCN> no, no, might sound stupid, but I just have to be able to know if I have something or not :S
<PacoBCN> many people ask me for music and most of the times I don't know if I have it or not
<GnuKemist> oh... you may have to write it...  hehehe  lil' bash script
<PacoBCN> no, no, I want something a bit more elaborated, prolly even able to grab the cover
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, don't have anything like it here
<nis> oops I didn't see the scrollback.  May've missed some comments.
<odie5533> Where is a standard place to install files?
<sal002> nis: all good ideas...
<nis> odie5533: /var/cache/apt/archives ?
<GnuKemist> odie5533, you mean hand compiled stuff?
<PacoBCN> odie, what kind of files?
<caffinated> odie5533: /usr/local
<odie5533> Eclipse in this case
<nis> odie5533: /usr/src ?
<PacoBCN> bins? manuals? locales?
<apokryphos> nis: no, that's just where the .debs are downloaded to from apt.
<PacoBCN> oh
<GnuKemist> odie5533, I'd say /usr/src as well
<apokryphos> It completely depends on what you're installing
<username> and /opt
<nis> odie5533: $HOME? ;)
<caffinated> i wouldn't put binaries in /usr/src - makes no sense :)
<username> and /sw in the case of fink
<PacoBCN> /var/cache/apt/archives
<PacoBCN> this is the place
<PacoBCN> ;)
<apokryphos> PacoBCN: no, it's not.
<nis> username: good one. ;)
<odie5533> Where are my programs anyway? For example, where is FireFox?
<Dr_Willis> 'which firefox'
<nis> odie5533: 'which firefox'
<PacoBCN> in that case my sys is fucked up because I have tons of debs there :D
<Dr_Willis> will show the path to it.
<apokryphos> odie5533: the executable? "whereis firefox"
<GnuKemist> odie5533, shouldn't really matter... I'd put them home and point the config to install the binaries in /usr/local/bin or such
<Hackmo> Hey, does anyone know why Firefox freezes or shuts itself when I view certain websites?
<username> where is my doctor?
<apokryphos> odie5533: or what Dr_Willis said
<Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  try a diffrent browser?
<Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  what site?
<odie5533> ah
<odie5533> thats handy
<nis> odie5533: if it's a lib, point LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the same path.
<Hackmo> Dr_Willis: The site works in other browsers http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401855/
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, I remember reading about an iTunes-like app for linux the other day
<Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  works for me useing firefox under windows.
<odie5533> The executable I think its called are all in /usr/bin, but where are the other files?
<PacoBCN> GnuKemist, don't remember the name, I guess, right?
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, lemme see...
<Hackmo> Dr_Willis: it worked for me in warty but now that i'm using hoary i'm having the problem
<Pointwood> I would like to run convert (to resize some images) on an entire folder of images, how do I do that?
<GnuKemist> Pointwood, type man convert
<username> typing 'which doctor' gives no response
<GnuKemist> Pointwood, it should say something
<Dr_Willis> Pointwood,  with creative use of 'find' and/or 'xargs' is one way. also... if that progam dosent support wildcards
<nis> odie5533: try looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info under the program's name.  Use the .list file.
<Pointwood> GnuKemist: I couldn't find anything in the manual
<andril> hello all
<GnuKemist> Pointwood, hummm
<username> has anyone managed to get multisync to actually work with a PocketPC?
<andril> I need some help with sharing folders in Ubuntu "Hoary"
<Hackmo> Dr_willis: does that site have any flash, javascript or anything that would need an additional plugin?
<GnuKemist> Pointwood, follow Dr_Willis' advice for a quick solution then
<PacoBCN> GnuKemist, I found an interesting list: http://www.icewalkers.com/opd/Computers/Multimedia/Music_and_Audio/Software/Collection_Catalogers/
<apokryphos> odie5533: again, it totally depends on the program being installed. For example, kde stuff goes into the specified KDEDIR directory
<Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  it has a flash ad at the top it looks like. (i got it ddisabled) :P
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, I remember the program was written in .NET so I'm browsing http://gnomefiles.org/ for it
<Hackmo> Dr_Willis:hm, it might be the flash applet I installed i'll try uninstalling that and seing how it works, thanks
<Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  i use that firefox extension that disables flash also. :P
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, check gtkPod
<Dr_Willis> Hackmo,  and that 'adkiller' extension.
<mfraase> help please... there's a command that displays the server ports currently in use; can someone post it?
<nis> mfraase: netstat
<PacoBCN> GnuKemist, having a look now, thx
<GnuKemist> mfraase, is it netstat?
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, good luck... and let me know... I'd be interested too  ;)
<odie5533> Is there a move command for the terminal?
<DoppelGanger> mv
<PacoBCN> now what I need. I have many audio cds too and that won't support it
<mfraase> not what I was thinking of... seemed like it used grep for part of it.
<DoppelGanger> doh
<GnuKemist> odie5533, as in move file to a diferent folder?
<odie5533> yes, mv I got it
<PacoBCN> I need something that will add to the db my local mp3, cd's mp3, audio cd, etc
<GnuKemist> DoppelGanger, easy does it
<username> I've got multisync installed, the 'synce-plugin' installed, but it says 'Plugin missing' under the status column.
<PacoBCN> it all in a db
<thully> Hi - I installed the c/c++ compilers (apt-get install build-essential) and tried to compile something rather simple, and it gave some errors about assert.  The same builds fine on Fedora Core 3.  How do I fix this?
<DoppelGanger> blow me
<bung__> netstat -l -p ?
<andril> any help with sharing folders through my network
<apokryphos> andril: ubuntuguide.org
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, any ops around?
<mfraase> Ok, let's try this a little differently. I need a list of what programs/servers are running on what ports
<apokryphos> GnuKemist: there are probably a few, but haven't given themselves the power at the mo. Why?
<bung__> netstat -l -p as root does that
<Dr_Willis> mfraase,  'nmap' can tell ya a lot of that stuff. with a scan.
<Dr_Willis> :P
<GnuKemist> apokryphos, just as a reference if someone like DoppelGanger gives someone else trouble
<apokryphos> ok
<nis> bbl. nice meeting everyone. cya.
<blahrus> anyone had any luck with hoary and unrar w/fileroller?
<jdub> mfraase: netstat -ltun
<GnuKemist> nis, later
<Fackamato> not me
<Fackamato> blahrus: seems broken
<nis> cya GnuKemist
<Dr_Willis> rar is sooo... annoying in ways :P lol
<Fackamato> It doesn't matter what unrar you use, the archives doesn't support it
<mfraase> That got it. Thanks.
<blahrus> Fackamato: yea I can't get it to work via the command line
<username> multisync seems to do nothing but crash every time
<Fackamato> it works just fine via the command line
<Fackamato> apt-get install unrar
<Fackamato> or
<Fackamato> apt-get install unrar-nonfree
<blahrus> i have unrar
<PacoBCN> GnuKemist, http://domo.sourceforge.net/index2.html
<andril> apokryphos: I tried this but it doesn't seem to work in Hoary
<andril> any one else willing to help
<Stuttergart> I'm doing a remote bootstrap of a hoary system from a hoary system installed on what will eventually be the swap.
<Stuttergart> using debootstrap
<apokryphos> andril: remind me again of what you're talking about :)
<andril> np
<andril> I am trying to share my folder on the network
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, I have been using Musik Cube under windows for the same purpose... and it supports ogg ripping out of the box too
<apokryphos> andril: of other Linux computers or Windoze too?
<PacoBCN> cool
<PacoBCN> not enough to switch to Windows though :)
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, the community behind it is very cool too
<odie5533> Is it just me or is Eclipse really really slow
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, hehehe
<Fackamato> blahrus: don't message me, it's an insult to do so
<Fackamato> this isn't quakenet
<Stuttergart> the "new" system has a /dev/sda3 for /boot
<Stuttergart> but /root is on an LVM volumes
<Stuttergart> Just wondering what the fstab needs to look like for that?
<Stuttergart> If the volume groups is "system"
<Stuttergart> /dev/mapper/system-home?
<Fackamato> and use unrar-nonfree then
<Stuttergart> Did anyone get all of that? My connx dropped just as I was hitting enter.
<andril> right now one can be seen on the network - but I cannot share a drive "linux"
<blahrus> Fackamato: fine, what repo is non-free in
<GnuKemist> odie5533, I have found (not wanting to offend any java programmers out here) java apps to be very slow no matter what
<Fackamato> doesn't matter if you use all repos
<thoreauputic> blahrus: multiverse
<blahrus> thank you thoreauputic
<odie5533> Eclipse is made in java?
<GnuKemist> odie5533, I believe it is
<odie5533> Dear god no wonder
<GnuKemist> someone correct me if I'm wrong
<PacoBCN> time to make some coffe with milk, I'll preper some liters for you all 391 guys :)
<GnuKemist> PacoBCN, little sugar please
<thoreauputic> PacoBCN: double strength black for me, thank you :)
<odie5533> I'm a java programmer, but java is the slowest language I've delt with aside from a special made high level pascal language... but thats different
<bung__> odie5533: take it you know about java -server for heavy stuff?
<odie5533> I don't see why someone would write an IDE in java, let alone write anything
<odie5533> Nah, I am not familiar with that sorry
<GnuKemist> odie5533, a friend of mine was developing a pretty cool app for work but had to drop it and start over with VB for it was taking wayyyy to long
<PacoBCN> java is cool only for porn live show applets
<odie5533> I went to linux for fast IDE's, not eclipse :D
<Dr_Willis> for emacs! :P
<odie5533> I'll have to try something else
<odie5533> emacs any good?
<bung__> vim++
<mfraase> More help needed: I need to *completely* uninstall a package and its dependencies and reinstall it/them. When I uninstall from synaptic all appears to go well, but when I reinstall I'm getting: [package]  failed to preconfigure, with exit status 23
<GnuKemist> odie5533, most if not all of Oracle's apps are written in java
<apokryphos> odie5533: lot of good reports about it from those that use it
<Dr_Willis> hmm.. would ya all call emacs the 'original' ide ? :P
<GnuKemist> brb
<blahrus> Fackamato: non-free seems to work
<Fackamato> blahrus: I know
<Fackamato> but it still doesn't work with the archives
<Fackamato> but it still doesn't work with the archiver
<blahrus> Fackamato: wonder why thats broken all of a sudden
<blahrus> wasn't before array 7
<odie5533> Well I don't like emacs
<odie5533> ;D
<Dr_Willis> odie5533,  then use vi :P
<odie5533> vi or vim?
<EddieX> NEdit is a very nice editor :)
<Dr_Willis> elVIs
<bung__> I wish I could use IDEs
<bung__> sadly I can't give up vim.
<Dr_Willis> wine notepad.exe
<apokryphos> kate.. wooo
<thoreauputic> odie5533: vi is a symllink to vim, I would guess :)
<odie5533> wine notepad sounds good
* apokryphos worships kate
<Fackamato> gedit is good
<Fackamato> except it takes an hour to load
<odie5533> hmm?
<Dr_Willis> thoreauputic,  unlss you install kvim - then it breaks that  symlink.. or at least it used to.
<odie5533> gedit loads in seconds for me
<mfraase> More help needed: I need to *completely* uninstall a package and its dependencies and reinstall it/them. When I uninstall from synaptic all appears to go well, but when I reinstall (sudo apt-get install [package] ) I'm getting: [package]  failed to preconfigure, with exit status 23
<apokryphos> odie5533: that's pretty long.
<odie5533> lol I load it once a day so not for me
<odie5533> I used UltraEdit on windows, load it once in the morning, and close it before bed ;)
<apokryphos> ;)
<odie5533> VIM has no gui...
<bung__> gvim?
<EddieX> gvim ?
<apokryphos> kvim
<GnuKemist> hehehe
<thoreauputic> mfraase: try   sudo apt-get remove --purge <packagename>
<GnuKemist> odie5533, take your pick
<GnuKemist> ;)
<odie5533> good idea
<odie5533> I think I'll go with vim-gnome
<bung__> don't do it man
<odie5533> too late
<GnuKemist> if I have to use GUI, I go with gedit
<Dr_Willis> i like 'fte' myself
<Dr_Willis> :P
<bung__> before you know it you won't be able to use word
<bung__> or notepad
<GnuKemist> most of the time I use Vim or Nano
<bung__> or ides
<odie5533> I use nano for command line editing
<odie5533> but... I don't do that unless I only have a command line ;D
* apokryphos whispers to brainwash odie5533: kate.
<odie5533> I used kate before
<GnuKemist> I'm not a "power user" so either one does the trick for me
<odie5533> it was nice
<apokryphos> ;)
<odie5533> but reminds me too much of KDE
<apokryphos> odie5533: surely that's a plus. :D
<odie5533> and the fileswitching was badly added in
<odie5533> no... its a big minus
<odie5533> enough to make me not use it
<apokryphos> odie5533: there's a plugin for tabs now.
<mfraase> thoreauputic: I get [package]  is not installed so not removed. But the config files or something are remaining which screws up the reinstall
<GnuKemist> KDE is awsome but somehow I can't get myself to use it
<apokryphos> odie5533: sorry to hear that. :)
<GnuKemist> anyone from North New Jersey here tonight?
<GnuKemist> guess not
<GnuKemist> hehe
<odie5533> well vim is bad too :(
<bung__> odie5533: a judgement after how many seconds of use?
<odie5533> 60
<bung__> uhhuh
<Elysium_> hi, how does one enable the trash can icon on the desktop?
<odie5533> enough to write a java program and it didn't color my syntax and made it hard to type
<prince> 
<prince> :
<odie5533> I am picky, sorry
<bung__> :set syntax=on
<prince> err
<GnuKemist> Elysium_, I think that's posted in the wiki
<odie5533> I could do that
<Elysium_> GnuKemist, thanks
<odie5533> or I could do sudo apt-get remove vim-gnome
<GnuKemist> Elysium_, no problem
<odie5533> both work ;
<prince> :=/
<bung__> actually, the ubuntu defaults for vim are kinda crappy
<Elysium_> vi /etc/vim/vimrc .. uncommend the syntax on line
<Elysium_> that turns on syntax for all users
<GnuKemist> odie5533, in theory you should be able to run JDeveloper under Linux
<Elysium_> uncomment*
<mfraase> Can someone tell me where downloaded packages are stored in the filesystem pending installation?
<prince> How do I add games like freeciv, and programs like mythtv and tvtime?
<GnuKemist> Elysium_, thanks for the tip... very usefull
* apokryphos notes that for the record, vim did win in last year's LinuxQuestions editor of the year award.
<bung__> Elysium_: any idea how to make it remember where you were last editing a file?
<odie5533> hmm... no good ide's...
<teratorn> anyone know how to install pygtk for python2.2?
<Dr_Aevil> mfraase: hmm, in debian it's /var/cache/apt/archives
<DarthFrog> mfraase: And in Ubuntu, too.
<Pointwood> GnuKemist: how do I feed the convert command with two options through xargs? I would like to do something like this: find i* | xargs convert -resize 1600x1200 "inputfile" "outputfile"
<andril> hello all
<mfraase> thanks
<apokryphos> Pointwood: you can use -exec instead
<DarthFrog> Pointwood: Just like that.
<GnuKemist> Pointwood, sounded good to me
<andril> can someone help with sharing folders in Hoary
<prince> How do I add games like freeciv, and programs like mythtv and tvtime?
<apokryphos> with {} {};
<Strata> ubuntu noob question: I' want to boot the intall to use buslogic SCSI controller, the instructions say to use "linux buslogic=iobase", what exactly does "iobase" refer to?
<DarthFrog> prince: Use Synaptic.
<DoppelGanger> prince: ask 50 more times
<prince> k
<thoreauputic> prince: we saw your first post - patience
<Pointwood> apokryphos: not sure what you mean?
<GnuKemist> andril, windows or linux only?
<prince> okay
<apokryphos> Pointwood: you want to do some imagemagick image manipulation to all images in a folder, right?
<Pointwood> yes
<andril> with linux first
<andril> I can see the pc on the network - just can't share folders
<apokryphos> Pointwood: then, as an example: find -iname "*.jpg" -exec convert -quality 85 -resize 47% -quality 75 {} {} \;
<Pointwood> ahh...k
<GnuKemist> have you tried creating a connection through ssh using Places -> Connect to Server?
<apokryphos> Pointwood: cancel the last -quality 75
<DoppelGanger> ha ha gui ssh
<GnuKemist> ;)
<DarthFrog> prince: Start Synaptic.  Use Settings/Repositories to enable the universe and multiverse repositories.  Then Reload.  use Search to find the stuff you want.
<apokryphos> Pointwood: be careful with it though :P
<ziggity> hi
<Pointwood> apokryphos: I got backups of the images
<kb> has anybody here tried ipodder on linux? i'm having some trouble getting it to play the downloaded files
<prince> DarthFrog, do I need to change sourcs to get those programs, as they are not found in the ubuntu update manager or synaptic?
<apokryphos> Pointwood: Cool; that should work fine then. No need to lose image names, neither.
<DarthFrog> prince: Follow the instructions I just gave you.
<DoppelGanger> prince: rtfm
<apokryphos> Pointwood: you can do a lot of pretty cool stuff like that with krename, btw; just as a note.
<andril> yep
<Pointwood> k
<kwortman> I just dist-upgraded my nautilus and now it is totally screwed up, is anyone else having that problem?
<BSDskin> if i could get xorg to load, I might
<BSDskin> lol
<keffo> kwortman, whats screwed
<mjr> kwortman, if you upgraded while it was running, you might want to kill it so it restarts
<odie5533> There any other ok IDE's worth checking out?
<ziggity> anyone use Eclipse on ubuntu>
<kwortman> I've restarted the session
<kwortman> 2 problems
<prince> DoppelGanger, get lost
<odie5533> ziggity I am using it right now
<kb> my ipodder says it can't detect an audio player and therefore can't invoke it after downloading podcasts... does anybody know how i can set it up for xine or something?
<odie5533> very, very slow
<kwortman> nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus-private.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<DarthFrog> prince: No personal abuse, please.
<GnuKemist> odie5533, hehe
<odie5533> so mean....
<ziggity> odie5533 :: what version of Ubuntu? can u install from synaptic?
<DoppelGanger> prince: ask the question again
<prince> DarthFrog, not a problem if DoppelGanger deosn't swear and stop being a newbie basher
<odie5533> No, you can't install with Synaptic, but it's quite easy to do
<DarthFrog> DoppelGanger: Leave it alone, please.
<odie5533> Hoary
<DoppelGanger> fine
<kwortman> also if I try removing the deb to reinstall, it fails due to some schema file being corrupt
<ziggity> odie5533 : I'm on warty will it install
<andril> yep havin problems just sharing a folder
<odie5533> I have no idea, probably though
<Strata> I'm trying to run an ubuntu install on a machine with a buslogic SCSI controller, the boot option page says to use "linux buslogic=iobase", what does "iobase refer to?
<Pointwood> apokryphos: I'm getting " find: missing argument to `-exec' " on this: find -iname "img_000*.jpg" -exec convert -resize 1600x1200 {} {}
<DarthFrog> Strata: Google for it.
<prince> DarthFrog, btw I had to scroll back, I still have to adjust the colours of xchat which is why I missed your instructions! :)
<ziggity> odie5533 How to install??
<apokryphos> Pointwood: did you include the semi-colon at the end?
<DarthFrog> prince: :-)  Been there, done that.
<kb> has nobody here used ipodder on linux?
<Strata> I did Google, always do.  It just comes up with a .txt of the instructions.  Sorry to bother.
<GnuKemist> kb, sorry... afraid not
<odie5533> Download it: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.0.1-200409161125/eclipse-SDK-3.0.1-linux-gtk.zip
<Pointwood> oh
<apokryphos> Pointwood: and the backslash :)
<kwortman> "/usr/share/gconf/schemas/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas" appears to be full of garbage
<Pointwood> apokryphos: what does \; do?
<kb> ihh... it's a small configuration thing... i just don't know how to do it... :)
<odie5533> ziggity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
<GnuKemist> well, it is time for my shower... yes, sometimes I do take a shower
<GnuKemist> good night to all
<DarthFrog> Strata: Its just that repetitious questions are annoying.  If someone knew the answer to your question, they'd respond.
<apokryphos> Pointwood: I actually don't remember. Bash syntax
<Pointwood> k
<ziggity> cheers odie5533 ;-) what do U do ?
<odie5533> Excuse me?
<lrojas> i need emergency help
<Strata> OK, thanks DF, I'll search elsewhere.
<helio7> I'm trying to do my part to spread Ubuntu by keeping bittorrents of all the ISOs up and running.  I noticed that the latest ISOs under hoary all have http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ "preview" as a part of their name... I still have a few older Hoary ISO torrents that don't have "preview" as a part of their name, that probably means they are older right?  yet people are still DLing them, but I don't think the official site is 
<DarthFrog> Strata: You might have better luck on #Linux.
<Strata> Many thanks.
<DarthFrog> Strata: Or read the source code to the driver.
<lrojas> for the love of god
<lrojas> :(
<Strata> I'm not a Linux noob, just new to Ubuntu.
<lrojas> my Xserver went bye-bye
<BSDskin> epidemic
<BSDskin> lol
<Strata> Good idea.  That gives me a starting place.
<lrojas> i am doing this from the console, please any kind soul that can help me reestablish my gui?
<ziggity> can anyone here offer help with pricing out a software project?
<DarthFrog> lrojas: Try "init 1" then "init"2.
<^KrOmE^> lrojas, what DM are you using?
<helio7> Irojas do you have any idea what changes were made that may have caused it to fail?
<odie5533> Eclipse is the best I guess... I wish it was faster... =/
<lrojas> gdm, and yes, it failed after i tried to configure it to use the nvidia drivers
<DarthFrog> lrojas: Probably that should have been "sudo init 1" then Control-D when asked.
<^KrOmE^> Ah
<DarthFrog> lrojas: Ah.  Then undo your changes. :-)
<BSDskin> my xorg crapped out after the latest update
<blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
<BSDskin> wonder if there's a way to downgrade
<^KrOmE^> lrojas, undo whatever you did
<DarthFrog> lrojas: You did  make a backup, didn't you? :-)
<kwortman> BSDskin: downgrades don't really figure into the APT way of doing things
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: and then check the doco for installing NVIDIA drivers
<BSDskin> kinda figured that
<BSDskin> lol
<lrojas> i cant, i followed a command on the wiki, sudo dpkg-config xserver-xorg
<lrojas> it didnt make a backup
<kwortman> hey so no one else's nautilus croaked after a dist-upgrade today?
<prince> question, what's the best way to make the bttv driver set the tuner type to 2 in ubuntu?
<BSDskin> if I could see nautilus, I'd let you know
<BSDskin> lol
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: You may need to set your display driver in your X config file
<DarthFrog> lrojas: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the line "Driver" "nvidia" to "nv".
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: Back from the NVIDIA driver
<^KrOmE^> Or
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: Run dpkg-config again
<kwortman> BSDskin: how is it broken?
<lrojas> :(
<odie5533> Is there a good Gnome cd burning software?
<lrojas> this is a mess
<kwortman> odie: nope
<odie5533> Ah K3b it is then...
<BSDskin> kwortman: after the upgrade a few days ago, it stopped loading
<kwortman> odie: there are a few things which will probably be nice "soon"
<lrojas> all i wanted was to run the nvidia drivers with hoary
<jintxo> prince, you probably have to pass an option to the kernel module when you load it
<lrojas> *sigh*
<blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
<blahrus> odie5533: graveman
<BSDskin> kwortman: I've tried just about everything short of removing xorg, deleting the packages, and trying to re-download them
<^KrOmE^> lrojas, there is a much simpler way
<kwortman> BSDskin: did you look at the error logs?
<prince> jintxo, okay so is it a module or is it part of the kernel, just make sure as you did say module?
<odie5533> That for all cd burning or just audio?
<Lightboy> hey i am running an amd64 kernel of ubuntu and when i try install cedega from a .deb i get the following error  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) Errors were encountered while processing:
<lrojas> wich is?
<prince> jintxo, and which file do I use modules.conf?
<BSDskin> kwortman: definitely.  there's absolutely nothing useful.  it quits with a signal 11 and gives a blue screen saying it can't load...and it locks the keyboard
<lrojas> ^KrOmE^: ?
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<jintxo> prince for me it's a module. I'm not using the standard ubuntu kernel, but I would imagine it's compiled as module in the standard kernel
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Well, the problem is obvious, isn't it? :-)
<kwortman> BSDskin: that's bad.  which driver?
<BSDskin> kwortman: ati
<prince> jintxo, well let me check
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: wrong architechture right
<eleet> i installed Hoary and i get this error after i did "apt-get dist-upgrade"  --> unable to write <file>; read only filesystem
<kwortman> BSDskin: weird, ati has always been solid for me
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: You need support from Transgaming, not us.
<BSDskin> kwortman:  same here
<eleet> so a wiki told me to drop into a shell and run fsck, but i dont know how to get to a hsell
<jintxo> prince, yes you have to have the option in modules.conf but the way of putting it htere is not editing the file directly. but creating a file in /etc/modutils/ with the line "option bttv card=X" (or something like that) and then run "update-modules"
<BSDskin> kwortman:  I've updated, upgraded, dist-upgraded, and reconfigured....no avail
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: so should i just email em or post on the forum
<^KrOmE^> eleet: Ctrl+Alt+F2
<DarthFrog> eleet: Reboot.
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Your call.
<^KrOmE^> eleet: Then /etc/init.d/gdm stop
<Askew> to get propietary codecs like wmv9 in totem, all you do is add the file to the folder that opens up when you click the "add propietary plugins" button in the prefs for toem, right?
<^KrOmE^> eleet: Do whatever, then /etc/init.d/gdm restart
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: cheers. also im having some trouble getting gstreamer to play mp3's
<kwortman> BSDskin: I assume you've rebooted too
<^KrOmE^> eleet: /etc/init.d/gdm start sorry
<BSDskin> kwortman: many times, yes
<ziggity> can anyone here offer help with pricing out a software project?
<prince> jintxo, k I'll do that as root
<kwortman> BSDskin: ugh
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Have you installed the gstreamer-mad package?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: i have tried to install the mad plugin but it wont download
<eleet> man, how do you learn all about linux ?
<kwortman> BSDskin: yeah all I can think of is deinstalling/reinstalling all of X
<BSDskin> kwortman:  i'm not really complaining, though.  it's the first time I've had any trouble at all with ubuntu
<kwortman> BSDskin: in case some important file is broken
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: i get a 404 not found but im sure the url is correct
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: How did you try?
<lrojas> quit
<eleet> i'm a windows technician and most of this is foreign to me
<eleet> lol
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: i used the package manager
<DarthFrog> eleet: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Did you do an update first?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: yup
<Elysium_> anyone here notice the fglrx modules that come with ubuntu are much slower than the ATI fglrx drivers?? according to the apt description the modules are compile from what ati provides though.. this makes no sense
<eleet> ^KrOmE^ - i stopped gdm, but when i run fsck i get a warning that running e2fsck on a mounted fs may cause SEVERE fs damange
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Check your sources against http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
<^KrOmE^> eleet: How critical is your system?
<kwortman> eleet: yeah don't do that
<Strata> Darth: My solution (still no idea what iobase is exactly), go to a console mid-install and modprobe BusLogic.  Ubuntu sees all of my drives now.  Thanks for the responses.
<blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
<DarthFrog> Elysium_: Did you get direct rendering enabled?
<eleet> ^KrOmE^ - i dont know, lol
<lrojas> ^KrOmE^, excuse me
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: Yep?
<Elysium_> DarthFrog, I disabled DRI and replaced "ati" in x config file with "fglrx". I also load the fglrx module and when I lsmod it's properly loaded
<DarthFrog> Elysium_:  Run "flgrxinfo" and see if you have direct rendering.
<lrojas> i changed nvidia to nv, and now it works... but the instructions in binarydrivershowto, just tell me to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from nv to nvidia
<Elysium_> let me restart x real quick
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: If it works, that's a start.
<eleet> so how do i go about fixing my system ?
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: At least you now have a working system...backup you config file
<prince> brb
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: And then you can start again
<DarthFrog> lrojas: nv is the open source driver.  nvidia is the proprietary one.
<eleet> should i pop in knoppix, chroot into ubuntu and then fsck ?
<lrojas> how about i open a ssh session then you can log in and check if it is working?
<lrojas> or fix whatever is it need fixing
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: I'm not going to be able to tell a whole lot via terminal
<Elysium_> when I do fglrxinfo I still get the Mesa GLX
<lrojas> *sigh*
<Elysium_> sigh
<^KrOmE^> eleet: Give it a crack, but heed the warnings
<lrojas> is it because i got hoary installeed isnt it
<WW> OK everyone, group sigh...
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: That's what I'm running
<lrojas> with nvidia?
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: I didn't have to edit my config file manually at all
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: Yep
<lrojas> can i see your xorg.conf ?
<DarthFrog> Elysium_:  That's software rendering.  Nuisance.  I get the same thing.
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: I just followed the instructions at that link for the Nvidia gear
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: Hang on
<Elysium_> DarthFrog, do you know how to get rid of mesa?
<eleet> ya, i'm getting that /boot is readonly
<DarthFrog> Elysium_: and I'm running the latest drivers from ATI, not the Ubuntu one.s
<eleet> what if i just change the setting in fstab ?  (but i forget where that config file is)
<DarthFrog> Elysium_: I banged my head against that one for most of yesterday afternoon. :-(
<lrojas> Elysium_, you might wanna ask Dr. Freeman about that
<Elysium_> DarthFrog, fantastic :(
<DarthFrog> Elysium_: And all I achieved was a sore head.
<ObsidianB> hey has the ubuntu installer gotten past the problem where it could only install on the first partition?
<Elysium_> lrojas, Dr. Freeman??
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: I can, but I can't guarantee it'll work for you.
<blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: Do you want to PM me your email?
<DarthFrog> ObsidianB: I had no problem installing on a second drive.
<lrojas> is cool let me look it up
<lrojas> sure...
<ObsidianB> not second drive, second partition
<ObsidianB> it (in the past) would only grab the first partiion of the drive
<ObsidianB> even when i used mknod to force creation of the other partitions it still produced errors
<lrojas> Elysium_, sorry bad joke, Dr. Freeman is the hero in Half Life, he escapes from the Black Mesa Facility
<ObsidianB> lrojas: heh
<Elysium_> lrojas, I did know that Freeman, but i didn't remember Mesa
<Elysium_> it's quite clever .. good joke
<andril> how do I chagnge the permission on a folder?
<DarthFrog> andril: Use the chmod command.
<ObsidianB> DarthFrog: any ideas?
<DarthFrog> ObsidianB: I installed upon /dev/hdc4.  No problems.
<ObsidianB> well i hope the hoary CD works then
<andril> I a lil help
<Elysium_> DarthFrog, here is the solution: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
<Elysium_> it says the nvidia module there is causing this "issue" where Mesa is loaded instead of fglrx opengl
<Elysium_> so removing it should fix the problem
<deadcat> how would i compile the orinico_usb driver for hoary? i cant apt-get install the kernel-headers for this kernel.
<lrojas> that is not updated for hoary i think, is intended for warty
<jaket__> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAOL
<jaket__> :D
<ObsidianB> oooh i just read that kde 3.4 is the only choice in hoary... very nice
<lrojas> yo hablo espano;
<jaket__> eee
<jaket__> :D
<ObsidianB> heh
<andril> DarthFrog: can you give me an example?
<jaket__> sabes algo de ubuntu =)
<lrojas> no mucho, apenas estoy comenzando, vengo de FC3
<ObsidianB> je parle francois
<ObsidianB> :D
<jaket__> pero sabes si ubuntu trae algun programa para grabar cd's ?
<lrojas> claro, K3b
<jaket__> i esta instalado ?
<jaket__> :S
<lrojas> si
<DarthFrog> andril: What are you trying to do?
<jaket__> ahy ke usar el synp nose cuanto ?
<jaket__> xD
<lrojas> ^KrOmE^, did you sent the mail?
<pinPoint> i got a netgear pcmcia card and ubuntu detected it at once but i cant DHCP to my router with ssid off and wep
<pinPoint> anyone have any ideas
<DarthFrog> ObsidianB: I've done all that.  And I have an Nforce2 board.
<deadcat> pinPoint: you mean WEP off?
<pinPoint> deadcat: wep is on
<pinPoint> ssid broadcast is off
<deadcat> pinPoint: iwconfig show the Access Point MAC? or just 44:44:44:44:44 or FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF ?
<Dillweed> pinPoint, i think you need ssid on and wep off
<deadcat> Dillweed: no. either way should work
<Elysium_> DarthFrog, did you add Option "UseInternalAGPGART?" "no" to xorg.conf ?
<Dillweed> is the router broadcasting?
<pinPoint> Dillweed: wow, and my home network...
<pinPoint> No
<Dillweed> or the card.
<ObsidianB> ObsidianB: i've got a via board
<deadcat> so no one know how to compile a module using the default haory kernel?
<Dillweed> ah never mind got it mixed up. :)
<eleet> as long as you have the SSID name set correctly it should be ok
<^KrOmE^> lrojas: Done
<eleet> unless ubuntu is like XP and it breaks WEP
<pinPoint> deadcat: use mac address restriction
<pinPoint> is that better
<pe7er> hmm.... anybody with packaging knowledge: how do i replace a package using dpkg? like, i have liblame4 installed but some tool relies on me having installed a package called liblame4_4.0-1? i can't uninstall using apt-get as that would break other packages dependencies, however, dpkg can't upgrade installed packages, can't it? what am i supposed to do? forget that tool?
<Dillweed> are you using ndiswrapper?
<pinPoint> than wep
<pinPoint> Dillweed: nope, just booted the lappy with the new card in
<pinPoint> it picked it up as ath0
<andril> DarthFrog: I am trying to delete a folder that I created via sudo
<deadcat> pinPoint: they all suck. WPA would be better. MAC is so easy to fake. and WEP can be crack in 2 sec with 1/2 mill packets
<Dillweed> what does iwconfig ath0 do?
<DarthFrog> andril: delete it using sudo.
<pinPoint> deadcat: what options do i have?
<pinPoint> hold up
<deadcat> Dillweed: shows the info of the card
<andril> cool all I need is an example - please
<DarthFrog> andril: sudo rmdir (directory)
<goldfish_> andril: sudo rm -rf name
<Dillweed> well i know, but is it working or not... is the question.
<deadcat> pinPoint: i only use WEP for my network. safe enough.
<pinPoint> shows info
<DarthFrog> goldfish_: Though shalt not tell newbies about rm -rf.
<Dillweed> does ubuntu use dhclient or dhcpd?
<Dillweed> or whatever.
<goldfish_> DarthFrog: hehe, i am a newbie :)
<deadcat> pinPoint: does iwconfig shows that you are connected to the AP? the Access Point: MAC
<goldfish_> sometimes rmdir doesnt work for me
<andril> cool
<goldfish_> well, if it's empty i think
<deadcat> goldfish_: cus you got shits in the dir
<goldfish_> ah right
<pinPoint> yeah, it does, i just enabled broadcasting
<goldfish_> thanks
<andril> do you have a link for sudo commands
<DarthFrog> goldfish_: You will be reinstalling at some point if you use "sudo rm -rf".  I guarantee it.
<pinPoint> but it wont connect either
<goldfish_> DarthFrog: kk
<goldfish_> apologies
<prince> anyone know how to check and see if modules-update is working?
<deadcat> pinPoint: route shows the table?
<prince> err
<prince> I mean update-modules
<DarthFrog> goldfish_: :-)
<blahrus> anyone know how to set java to use esd?
<deadcat> prince: load a module.
<andril> DeathFrog: much thanks
<pinPoint> ya
<deadcat> pinPoint: then ping a lan ip
<Dillweed> anyone know why ubuntu gets 2000fps in glxgears than other distros using the nvidia module?  (I know that glxgears isn't for benchmarking :)
<DarthFrog> andril: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/  will have what you want.
<Dillweed> 2000fps less .
<Fackamato> Dillweed: has nothing to do with ubuntu
<pinPoint> network unreachable
<Fackamato> Dillweed: what driver version and graphics card, what chipset on the mainboard, using agpgart or not
<deadcat> pinPoint: but "route" shows the gateway?
<deadcat> so no one know how to compile a module using the default haory kernel?
<pinPoint> deadcat: its up
<pinPoint> i can ping yahoo.com
<rbaker> I cannot seem to properly setup apt-get
<rbaker> can someone suggest a fast mirror to try?
<deadcat> pinPoint: well hot dang.... no clue. (=
<pinPoint> deadcat: with ssid broadcasting and using wep
<prince> hmm I created a file in /etc/modutils/bttv and put options bttv card=63 tuner=2 in it, and it's still not setting it to tuner type 2, yet when I run update-modules it seems to not do anything when I look inside the file update-modules I see the command update-modules.modutils but that command don't seem to exists so I'm not sure whether it is working correctly, could someone take a moment and assist me with this?
<deadcat> pinPoint: did you setup iwconfig ath0 essid any or essid <YOUR ESSID>?
<pe7er> deadcat: me neitrher but i KNOW there is a howto at the wiki
<pe7er> *neither
<bob2> rbaker: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
<DarthFrog> goldfish_: The safe way to use it would be to use "sudo -s" to get a shell.  Then "cd (directory)" to move into the directory you want to delete.  Important: be in the directory!  Use "pwd" to confirm that.  Sit on your hands for a minute and think about what you are about to do. :-)  Then you can use "rm -rf *" to blow everything away in that directory.  Then "cd .." to move up one directory and "rmdir (directory)".  That'll do it safely
<pinPoint> deadcat: i used the network-admin panel under Administration
<Dillweed> Fackamato, i'm not using agggart, it is a geforce 6600gt and the driver is 6629 in both distros of linux
<deadcat> pinPoint: oh.
<deadcat> pe7er: can you link me?
<DarthFrog> goldfish_: And safer still would to not use sudo unless you absolutely had to.
<deadcat> pe7er: trying to compile orinoco_usb
<goldfish_> DarthFrog: :) thanks
<pe7er> deadcat: let me see
<pe7er> deadcat: wifi driver installation?
<deadcat> ya
<prince> :/
<pe7er> omg i scrapped that. but you may have better luck
<deadcat> prince: try modprobe bttv tuner=2 see if that works or not
<pinPoint> deadcat: it stalled without reason
<Dillweed> Fackamato, oh btw my chipset is a via 266a
<deadcat> pe7er: i just need to find the headers files for my `uname -r`
<pinPoint> just stopped working
<pinPoint> up again
<deadcat> pinPoint: crappy network. (=
<pe7er> deadcat: it was a such frustrating experience that i wiped all my remembers out of my head and branded it with a big shiny Z but i get that wikilink for you
<prince> deadcat, dmesg is showing the tuner type as set to 2
<deadcat> pe7er: thanks (=
<pinPoint> deadcat: im not more than 2 feet away from AP
<pinPoint> :)
* prince ponders
<deadcat> prince: i dont remeber where to put in /etc/ to load tuner=2 on startup. i usually just have a script to load my bttv module with options.
<prince> hmm
<mattgirv> Hi :)
<Sero> Can anyone tell me what's good about Ubuntu?
<deadcat> Sero: nothing. try #linux
<rbaker> nothing
<prince> very simple for former windowsxp usrs
<prince> :>
<mattgirv> It is a well thought out, and based upon Debian :) (which rocks)
<mattgirv> :P
<crimsun> Sero: would you rephrase that question?
<ace2001ac> has anyone had trouble compiling gcc 3.4.3 on amd64
<DarthFrog> Sero:  Have read at http://www.ubuntu.com
<pe7er> pe7er: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto this should help. not KernelHowto but KernelCompileHowto
<crimsun> ace2001ac: hoary has 3.4.4 prerelease
<Sero> Yeah I went on Ubuntu.com it didn't say much.
<pe7er> deadcat: btw, what chipset do you have?
<crimsun> ace2001ac: any particular reason you're trying to compile 3.4.3?
<deadcat> pe7er: orinoco
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: i did what u said and it downloaded the plugin
<Sero> Ok, can anyone tell me what's good about Ubuntu opposed to Debian?
<pe7er> deadcat, ah, for me it was atmel
<DarthFrog> Sero: Download the ISO of the LiveCD and give it a looksee.
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Glad I was able to help. :-)
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: now when rhythembox trys to add my mp3's it just crashes
<deadcat> pe7er: acx100?
<mjr> Sero, more recent stable, a bit more refined desktop
<prince> deadcat, I think it's update-modules is nto working
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: lol perhaps im thinkin a reboot is in order
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Try reinstalling rhythmbox first.
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: how? through package manager?
<DarthFrog> Sero: It's a very good desktop Debian.
<pinPoint> well, my wireless nic works
<prince> anyokne know why update-modules is not working?
<crimsun> Sero: timed release schedule (every 6 months), 18 months of support following each stable release, desktop-centric distro, focus on stabilised current software
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Yes. Use Synaptic.
<crimsun> prince: update-modules is deprecated for 2.6 and module-init-tools
<prince> crimsun, what do i use?
<deadcat> prince: its somewhere in /etc/modutils.d or /etc/modules.d
<pe7er> deadcat, i don't know for sure. some old 10mbit chip build into a siemens usb device.
<crimsun> prince: to accomplish what?
<Sero> Ahah, okie, thanks guys.
<DarthFrog> Sero: Documentation/support in many languages.
<prince> to set modules options bttv card=63 tuner=2
<ace2001ac> crimsun: i want to do some fooling around for a compiler class
<ace2001ac> crimsun: so i need to compile it :)
<lrojas> brb testing it
<crimsun> prince: echo "options bttv card=63 tuner=2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/bttv
<prince> k
<deadcat> pe7er: i dont need to compile a new kernel. i just need the kernel-headers for the hoary kernel so i can compile a module.
<pinPoint> what do you ppl think of hsftp
<crimsun> ace2001ac: ok.  It will be beneficial to ,,apt-get source gcc-3.4'' then.
<pinPoint> trying to install some ftp client
<LeeJunFan> What's the best way to mirror a certain architecture to make a DVD for a friend who doesn't have a high-speed connection?
<pe7er> deadcat, oh. apt-get kernel-headers ;)
<deadcat> LeeJunFan: jigdo
<deadcat> pe7er: not found
<ace2001ac> crimsun: ah, so ubuntu has made afew changes, I see :)
<crimsun> deadcat: do you have deb-src lines for hoary main restricted?
<ace2001ac> crimsun: i'll do that then, thanks
<deadcat> crimsun: let me check
<prince> crimsun, ty it worked
<deadcat> crimsun: ya
<xbaez> hi
<crimsun> deadcat: uname -r
<pinPoint> my vlc plays audio out of sync
<prince> 2.6.10-5-k7
<prince> :)
<pinPoint> why would that be?
<crimsun> deadcat: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<pe7er> deadcat: i get a list of available options and the message "You should explicitly select one to install."
<pinPoint> starts out good then the audio gets left
<deadcat> crimsun: ya. not found
<tjs> is there any chance that postgresql 8 will be packaged for ubuntu? its been stable for a few months now
<pe7er> crimsun: wow. :)
<xbaez> if i want ubuntu stable, and i want upgrade to hoary just have to change sources.list and -dist-upgrade in apte-get ?
<crimsun> deadcat: what is your ,,uname -r'' ?
<deadcat> crimsun: linux-headers or kernel-headers?
<crimsun> deadcat: linux-headers for ubuntu; kernel-headers for debian
<deadcat> 2.6.10-4-686
<deadcat> DOH(=
<eleet> xbaez - yes
<pe7er> xbaez: if you didn't install warty-backports: yes
<deadcat> crimsun: there we go. (= linux-headers HAHAHAH
<xbaez> ok thanks
<pe7er> hmmm. how did those kernel-headers get into my apt?
<crimsun> pe7er: they're in universe.
<pinPoint> warning! you are about to install software that cant be authenticated???
<pinPoint> what the heck is that ^^^
<pe7er> ah. i rembered it confused me before, thanks for clearing that up, crimsun
<^thehatsrule^> pinPoint.... winxp/2k?
<crimsun> pinPoint: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
<pe7er> pinPoint: ubuntu repositories come with gpg signatures
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<^thehatsrule^> nvm
<pinPoint> ^thehatsrule^: winxp???
<pinPoint> are you out of your mind
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<pinPoint> :P
<^thehatsrule^> well thats what it always says
<^thehatsrule^> when installing something
<pinPoint> so i cant this software even though its in the repositories
<^thehatsrule^> redownload?
<crimsun> pinPoint: it's a warning; you can override it.
<crimsun> pinPoint: please read the url I pasted
<thoreauputic> pinPoint: won't stop you installing
<pinPoint> crimsun: im getting to that
<pinPoint> trying to get a second nick going
<pinS> im here crimson
<pinS> heheh
<lrojas> hi, is there any special instructions for installing cedega in ubuntu?
<crimsun> lrojas: nope, standard install.  sudo dpkg -i cedega....deb
* pinPoint saves that ^^^ for laters
<pinPoint> what do you mean ....deb?
<ahijah> i havn't tried it yet, but does cd burning work in horay? i don't want to waste a cd if it doesn't
<crimsun> pinPoint: that means I don't know the precise filename
<tjs> are there ubuntu versions of debial experimental packages?
<pe7er> ahijah: fine
<ahijah> ty
<crimsun> tjs: sometimes.  If so, they'll be in universe.
<tjs> okay cheers :)
<lrojas> ok this standard install is odd, i was expecting apt-get install.. so i download the tarball as if for debian?
<tjs> Im specifically hunting postgres 8
<crimsun> lrojas: cedega is not distributed in an apt-gettable repo.
<goldfish_> ls
<black_Nightmare> hey there
<lrojas> ok
<crimsun> lrojas: you must download the deb manually and install it via dpkg
<lrojas> ok
<black_Nightmare> was wondering if any of you use livecd?
<prince> the live cd is what encouraged me to do a live install
<prince> :)
<tjs> I gave my mum a livecd of warty :)
<crimsun> tjs: Candidate: 7.4.7-2ubuntu2
<tjs> crimsun, thats 8.0?
<crimsun> tjs: not afaict
<crimsun> tjs: at least according to the version
<tjs> k
<black_Nightmare> well I was wondering if I could like have a system with only a cdrom and usb media reader so run system from cd then save files/bookmarks to CF or something?
<crimsun> tjs: and experimental only has 7.5.0
<black_Nightmare> just curious.  strange sounding idea I know
<tjs> oh
<tjs> some guy on #postgresql said it was in debian experimental
<crimsun> tjs: I don't know squat about postgre's versioning scheme, sorry
<tjs> does ubuntu have a list of 'planned stuff to package soon' anywhere?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: could it be that all my mp3's are on a ntfs partition
<crimsun> tjs: please see the "Ongoing merge" section at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources
<prince> hmm
<mattgirv> black_Nightmare: Maybe one of the bootable CD's :) Knoppix, or whatever :)
<DoppelGanger> oh god
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: not so strange - i believe you've been able to do that with knoppix for a long time
<black_Nightmare> matt....or I could just find one of these ide>CF adapter to treat it as an ide drive
<tjs> crimsun, thanks :)
<black_Nightmare> think that would work with ubuntu as well?
<black_Nightmare> knoppix...hm whats their site now? heh
<mattgirv> Knoppix, try that, you should be able to mount the CF disk, www.knoppix.org i think
<pe7er> oh, crimsun, how do i replace a previously installed packe with a manually downloaded one? must be easy, but i don't know how. (yet)
<pinS> could installed applications be added to the 'Applications' menu?
<pe7er> *package
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: used to be the best english site was knoppix.net - don't know now as I haven't been there for a while
<crimsun> pe7er: just use dpkg directly
<pe7er> crimsun: dpkg -i foo.deb?
<lrojas> crimsun, are you running cedega on hoary ?
<black_Nightmare> ty matt
<crimsun> pe7er: yes
<pe7er> crimsun: tried that. damn.
<crimsun> lrojas: installed but haven't executed in quite some months
<crimsun> pe7er: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb, of course
<pe7er> crimsun: yeah, of course
<lrojas> crimsun, but have you ran it under a 2.6 kernel?
<black_Nightmare> hmm I would take it a live cd would be happy with huge amount of ram if in a hdless system mode?
<crimsun> lrojas: yes, the newer versions supposed run fine.  Ask in #cedega if you have questions.
<pe7er> crimsun: something must be wrong with that libfaad2 package, then
<lrojas> crimsun, kay will do
<black_Nightmare> outlaw...eh....where do you live??? lol (hint: look at mine ip as well)
<crimsun> black_Nightmare: sure, but it will reading from a much slower atapi device, of course.
<crimsun> will be reading, rather
<Ubuntu_User> anyone there?
<crimsun> pe7er: paste the error in #flood
<black_Nightmare> crimsun...so both the distro's ram requirement *and* extra ram for any decompression needs
<black_Nightmare> or am I getting something wrong?
<outlaw> hello I would like to ask a question about an xorg problem (Montreal Canada)
<black_Nightmare> montreal..ah.. just about 1.5hr far from me
<Ubuntu_User> hello im am trying to run Ubuntu Live disc and it does not seem to boot Xinit and i cant get the GUI can anyone know why
<black_Nightmare> outlaw.. I'm a bit north of hull -- not a long drive to ottawa downtown core
<xbaez> eleet, just change hoary for warty ?
<outlaw> nice place to live
<crimsun> black_Nightmare: I'm unsure what you're asking regarding requirements
<pe7er> crimsun: thanks, but i think i'll just google a bit more about it before i waste your precious time for debugging. people here need you :)
<crimsun> pe7er: just paste in #flood :)
<DarthFrog> pe7er: We like people like you. :-)  Welcome, welcome.
<black_Nightmare> crimsun -- sorry I might have not asked it well..nevermind ;)
<crimsun> black_Nightmare: just rephrase, please
<black_Nightmare> crimsun - for a hdless system.  the ram needed would be like this: distro ram requirement + free ram for decompressed files from livecd = total amount of ram needed << or am I getting the wrong math?
<outlaw> I would like to ask a queston about a keyboard mapping error using xorg on a non-Ubuntu distro but which is Debian based (MEPIS)
<eleet> xbaez - i think you can, but to be sure if you scroll down (close to the end) of www.ubuntuguide.org  it tells you how to upgrade to hoary from warty
<Ubuntu_User> hello im am trying to run Ubuntu Live disc and it does not seem to boot Xinit and i cant get the GUI can anyone know why
<Ubuntu_User> hello im am trying to run Ubuntu Live disc and it does not seem to boot Xinit and i cant get the GUI can anyone know why
<eleet> it's just a copy+paste
<eleet> dont spam for one ;)
<crimsun> black_Nightmare: well, it'd be kernel+decompressed filesystem, but yes, you have the basic idea correct
<outlaw> I realize this is kind of rude but I'm desperate
<xbaez> eleet, ok thanks
<black_Nightmare> crimsun thanks I'll keep this in mind
<jesus_> http://jesus.spydro.be/weblog/?p=55
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: ok i tried re-installing it and rebooting but gstreamer still wont work
<eleet> xbaez - np
<crimsun> outlaw: unfortunately very few of us - if any - know the specifics of MEPIS's keymap configuration
<pe7er> crimsun: done.
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Well, I'm momentarily out of suggestions.  I've not used rhythmbox at all; I use amaroK.
<pinS> gosh!
<pinS> playing DVDs in ubuntu is next to impossible
<pinS> damn, the lag!!!
<pinS> hell, windows does better
<pinS> :)
<crimsun> pe7er: you have two packages that contain the same libary (file): libfaad2-0 and libfaad2
<mattgirv> pinS: Installed your 3D drivers?
<pe7er> crimsun, yes.
<pinS> i have no idea
<mattgirv> pinS: Enabled DMA on your DVD drive?
<pe7er> but shouldn't be libfaad2 be update with libfaad2-0 ?
<outlaw> crimusm this is a xorg issue I installed xorg using ubunty .deb's
<crimsun> pe7er: you need to resolve that conflict:  What program requires libfaad2 that you're trying to install it?
<mattgirv> pinS: Tried a different Renderer
<pinS> renderer?
<crimsun> outlaw: which version of the X.Org debs/
<outlaw> ubuntu is the only debian destro I know that officaially
<mattgirv> You get different Drivers for playing video, like... x11 , xvidix etc..
<crimsun> outlaw: if you're using Ubuntu's debs, you need to stay current.
<crimsun> outlaw: in other words, you need 6.8.2-5.1
<outlaw> the very very latest I udated today
<pe7er> crimsun: some norwegian toy with questionable legality called pymystique. i wanted to throw an eye on it because i thought i might be 'cool to have'
<pinS> mattgirv, i have a radeon mobile card
<mattgirv> yep
<pe7er> crimsun: they explicitely provided it as hoary packages
<angeles> hello, i was just wondering if someone could tell me if ubuntu is suitable for server systems as well as desktops, please?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: wats amaroK like
<pe7er> crimsun: so i thought i could risk a look.
<crimsun> angeles: yes, it is.
<mattgirv> pinS: install the ati drivers and make sure dma is enabled
<Davidcc6> mako, I'm home now, hope you had a great time at the mountain, burbuja sends you many hellos, and I hope you're very well and had a wonderful time at colombia
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: It's the best media app I've ever used.  I love it.
<angeles> crimsun, excellent, thanks alot
<outlaw> crimsun under what dir is your xorg installed please
<crimsun> pe7er: but libfaad2-0 is already provided in multiverse. It's recommended you use that instead.
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: where can i get it lol
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: It's in the Ubuntu repositories.
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: woot so i can go like apt-get install amaroK
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Fill yer boots.
<pinS> mattgirv, what exactly im i looking for in Synapics
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: it might be amarok instead of amaroK.
<pinS> ati doesnt return very exact results
<crimsun> pinS: what are you trying to install?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: yeah i found it :P im using gnome but
<pinS> crimsun, 3d drivers and ati drivers. :)
<mattgirv> pinS: there is a guide on ubuntuforums.org but you get fglrx-driver (i think)
<mattgirv> fglrx something :)
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Gnome apps run on KDE.  KDE apps run on Gnome. :-)
<crimsun> pinS: did you follow http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto ?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: learn something new every day... isnt linux great
<pinS> crimsun, i just love those links dont I? :)
<mjr> hmh, I do think that the free radeon drivers are quite sufficient for watching dvds
<lrojas> odd, sudo cd <somedir> does not work, it says that there is no cd command...
<mjr> more likely the dma issue
<outlaw> crimsun?
<mattgirv> pinS: dont forget to enable dma on the drives
<crimsun> mjr: please walk pinS through those issues.
<mattgirv> mjr: yeah i mentioned that, along with the card drivers
<crimsun> outlaw: /usr/X11R6
<outlaw> thank you
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: I've been running Linux since 1993 and learn new things each and every day.  Unlike other systems that try to limit you, Linux has the attitude, "OK, what do you want to do now?" :-)  I'm the limiting factor in Linux, not the system.
<mjr> mattgirv, yes, I noticed
<pinS> dma on drives... i assume that can be done somewhere in here?
<thoreauputic> lrojas: yes, it's a shell built-in - cd first, then run the command
<mjr> pinS, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc (or whatever your dvd drive is)
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: it is great... if only i wasnt on dialup *cries* amarok is 107 mb
<mattgirv> add it to your session file as well
<mattgirv> or you will have to type it each time
<lrojas> what happens when the dir i have to cd dont have permission for my user because i mounted a drive from other os?
<pinS> ?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: and i will admit the fact there is no flash plugin for amd64 builds is a tad annoying and cedega didnt work onthis or FC3
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: but i wont give up
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: its fun tweaking things :P
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: Then you have lotsa fun. :-)
<outlaw> ok that the same dir structure I have that's not the problem
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: specially if i had broadband
<black_Nightmare> interesting hardware question for you people....
<black_Nightmare> think a hd (can be 3.5" or 2.5" I can piece either) can worthstand the average car-travelling-on-older-roads shocks and still run?
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: is there like a gstreamer config file that tells it what codecs to use?
<black_Nightmare> worthstand=withstand
<black_Nightmare> stupid fingers.... bah
<thoreauputic> lrojas: possibly your /etc/fstab needs attention - depends on the case
<DarthFrog> Lightboy: I've never played around with gstreamer, sorry.
<pinPoint> ouch
<pinPoint> i just pulled out my power cord from lappy
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: its cool
<pinPoint> there goes all the good stuff
<pe7er> crimsun: problem is there are other provided packages that rely on libfaad2 not libfaad2-0, namely gstreamer0.8-faad. but i posted this anyway because i felt you were a tiny bit curious. i'm sure i'll find some notes on it somewhere, even if google doesn't know of it yet.
<Lightboy> does n e one know if there is like a gstreamer config file that tells it what plugins to use?
<pe7er> crimsun, thank you!
<outlaw> crinsum thank you for taking the time to try and help me ... perhaps my best bet is to post a question on a forum
<crimsun> pe7er: it's best to recommend to the packager that (s)he recreate those debs against what's available in multiverse
<crimsun> pe7er: that way users won't run into issues such as the one you're experiencing
<crimsun> outlaw: what precisely is the issue with the layout?
<outlaw> just a second
<Lightboy> does n e one know if there is like a gstreamer config file that tells it what plugins to use?
<geneo93> back to square one again
<janc> damn, Tkinter is ugly on Ubuntu (all linux?)  :-(
<Lightboy> hah gstreamer wont even play flac files let alone mp3's!
<pinS> heh
<pinS> man you gotta love when they trip over the power cable
<outlaw> crimsun this is from the xorg.0.log: (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: I assume you've got gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer-plugins installed?
<outlaw> been trying to solve for awhile now google searches advice from more experiance users on MEPIS ... made all the recommedend changes to my keyboard config in xorg.con
<maddler> hi all!!!
* maddler is a new ubuntu user...
<maddler> and...
<LeeJunFan> is jigdo/jigit going to help me build a DVD that has the main and also universe / multiverse packages for amd64? Or just for main?
<maddler> THANK YOU!
<^thehatsrule^> :o
<maddler> I just fall in love with ubuntu!
<Lightboy> thorepautic: i hav all the right pluins installed.. im running hoary with the amd64 k8 kernel
<thoreauputic> another convert....
<black_Nightmare> maddler :p ~ I *may* soon....yet to make an installion cdr to put on my sitting-there-now pc system and maybe bring it back to life :p
<pinS> ubuntu was a good first sight
<thoreauputic> Lightboy: ah - I know nothing about amd64, sorry
<maddler> this is not "a" distro... ubuntu is THE distro!
<black_Nightmare> but for now..ughh... go figure that I'm a windoze user
<outlaw> either I'm missing something in xkb dir or a symbolic link didn't get created because of a diference between MEPIs and Ubuntu
<maddler> black_Nightmare: do that!!!
<eleet> anyone running kismet here ?
<eleet> with orinoco drivers?
<black_Nightmare> maddler...soon lol...don't worry about it thou ;)
<maddler> I just installed on my new amd64 laptop...
<black_Nightmare> say... is there irc built into the setup for ubuntu?
<maddler> and... well... it rox!!!
<maddler> I'm a kinda old slackware user...
<pinS> black_Nightmare, ya
<maddler> and tried many distros until now...
<pinS> xchat
<maddler> but... man... ubuntu rox!
<pinS> true
<maddler> in a snap!
<caffinated> maddler: wait'll you get compositing working ;)  it rocks even more after that
<black_Nightmare> pins ~ eh.. xchat is for linux too?  I never noticed that
<pinS> maddler, its clean too huh
<janc> black_Nightmare : xchat & irssi
<maddler> it configured _everything_!
* black_Nightmare points to x-chat 2.0.8 here
<pinS> always for linux
<pinS> ported for windows
<black_Nightmare> win version
<maddler> pinS: right...
<black_Nightmare> ahh...ported... I thought it was native..duh
<maddler> it's the definitive distro!
* caffinated uses irssi under windows
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: heh - "too" ? It originated in linux / open source
<LeeJunFan> maddler: I agree - I just converted from mandrake. Now if only I could find a way to keep a local mirror and make DVD's for my bw challenged friends I'm going to convert too.
<caffinated> no need to pay for xchat
<black_Nightmare> anyhow...next question....
<black_Nightmare> is there any tv player program support? :)
<crimsun> outlaw: you'll want to see how your xkb conf matches up to what's available in /etc/X11/xkb/
<maddler> LeeJunFan: use rsync for mirroring...
<black_Nightmare> ati tv tuner that is
<maddler> and a few bash scripts for bunrinig... :)
<jdub> LeeJunFan: install debmirror
<LeeJunFan> maddler: yeah - but I only need amd64 and i386 packages. 50+ GB is a lot.
<maddler> hehehe...
<black_Nightmare> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/hoary/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso <is that what I should get for mine pc system?
<maddler> a couple days of work... :)
<maddler> I bet so :)
<maddler> black_Nightmare: have you got an intel cpu?
<maddler> 32 bit? :)
<black_Nightmare> about 18 minutes left :p
<janc> LeeJunFan : debmirror can do that
<black_Nightmare> maddler.. 300Amhz slot1
<black_Nightmare> I hope its ram is okay @ 128mb
<black_Nightmare> amways could try sourge a 2nd stick if necessary
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: borderline RAM
<maddler> yup... hoary-preview-install-i386.iso is ok
<LeeJunFan> jdub, janc : thanks - that's what I was looking for :)
<black_Nightmare> thore..hmm so 256mb would be better then?
<janc> a friend of me always has a complete i386 & PPC Debian sarge mirror on his laptop  :)
* pinS darn right im going to install with authetication. :P
<maddler> 128MB is ok... 256 is better ;)
<black_Nightmare> ok and about hd space?
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: yes, especially on 300mhz
<geneo93> black_Nightmare:  thats min ram
<maddler> the full install is about 1.8gigs
<maddler> so at least a 3G disk would help... :)
<black_Nightmare> 1.8gb hmmm
<black_Nightmare> maddler...or I could just save my files to another hd?
<geneo93> and you need space for home
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare:sure
<maddler> black_Nightmare: also...
<black_Nightmare> I can mount 2x 2.5gb right away here
<black_Nightmare> any bigger I'll have to sourge it
<maddler> black_Nightmare: that will be fine...
<thoreauputic> that's enough - you could put /home on your secondary hdd
<geneo93> if you stripp out OO that saves a lot
<black_Nightmare> hm ok....that would be four ide drives....full controller LOL
<Fackamato> heh
<black_Nightmare> well put it this way.....
<outlaw> crimsum not quite sure I follow you: don't have xkb conf in /etc/X11/xkb
<maddler> folks... the more I look at ubuntu... the more I see it is a GREAT distro!
<maddler> black_Nightmare: you could also kill gnome... and gain some space...
<thoreauputic> maddler: and improving , of course :)
<black_Nightmare> mine pc has 2x 2.5gb hd (I can format both) .. buslink 32x12x40x cdrw [liteon rebadge, lasting well] , 16x dvdrom [dunno what brand, bought it oem in bag]  ... that aside to the slot1 cpu and ram
<black_Nightmare> creative soundblaster 16 pnp isa
<maddler> thoreauputic: great... really... great...
<geneo93> emacs
<maddler> I've been figting with a "few" distros since three days...
<outlaw> crimsun: not sure I understan xkb conf? compare to what?
<black_Nightmare> hrmm... does ubunute have ppp or something for external modems?
<geneo93> dont need emacs
<maddler> and none of them worked 100%
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: yes (I'm on dialup)
<maddler> ubunto not only worked fine...
<crimsun> outlaw: as in check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<crimsun> outlaw: then see what's actually available in /etc/X11/xkb
<maddler> but also was able to setup everything in the right way...
<mako> maddler: are you the maddler i know?
<maddler> great job...
<maddler> mako!!!
<maddler> mako!!!
<mako> maddler: DUDE :)
<black_Nightmare> thore...ah ok ty.  can internal known-fully-hardware [not winmodem]  modems work or its best to find external ones?
<maddler> sure I am!!!
<maddler> who else!!!
<maddler> mako: thank you! and to everyone involved!!!
<maddler> really!
<mako> maddler: awesome, i'm glad you like it
<mjr> black_Nightmare, if you mean modems that present themselves as a serial port to the computer, they work
<maddler> I like it?! naaaaaaaaa...
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: I guess they would work - even a few winmodems would ( I used to use a lucent winmodem)
<maddler> I'M IN LOVE WITH UBUNTU!
<maddler> :D
<mjr> and yes, what thore said
<mako> maddler: awesome :)
<maddler> :)
<outlaw> sorry crimsun not an expert with X11
<mako> maddler: it's awesome to see you here :)
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: you would need to know hwich ttyS* port was your modem
<maddler> hehehe...
<maddler> and looks like I'll become a regular!
<mako> maddler: killer :)
<maddler> I would also be _happy_ to give a help...
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: com 1 is ttyS0, com 2 ttyS1 and so on
<black_Nightmare> hmm.. lucent modems
<mako> maddler: there's lots to give back to the community.. the italian community team seems to be in something of a state of flux and could probably use some fresh energy :)
<markc> what would the default root password be for the live cds ?
<black_Nightmare> I guess I'll see what any store around here have and report back ;)
<maddler> yep... I noticed the channel... :)
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: external is safer (with serial connection)
<black_Nightmare> I take it a realtek 8029(AS) ethernet pci card would work straight away?  its already worked well under 98se without any assistance needed
<mjr> Yep, external is safe. But if you want something else, recommend looking at http://www.linmodems.org/
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: most nics are well supported
<eleet> bye, thx for all the help :)
<black_Nightmare> ty mjr
<pinPoint> device not found
<outlaw> crimsun if your interested (willing) my Xorg.conf Keyboard config is pastebin.com
<black_Nightmare> hm so that would be isa sound card, pci ethernet, internal or external modem .... guess that wraps up my hardware questions
<pinPoint> at bootup, the fglrx drivers
<lnoldan> my how linux has grown....  :)
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: isa can be problematic
<pinPoint> [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found!
<lnoldan> hd install of warty, runing xfce with a 266 & 64mb of ram is pretty painful :/
<mjr> yah, with isa you might have to fiddle with yourself, no reliable autodetection there...
<black_Nightmare> mjr...umm the card is a pnp type
<mjr> umm, what did I just say?
<black_Nightmare> or that doesn't matter to non-windows?
<vordul> =[
<thoreauputic> lnoldan: try icewm, fluxbox or openbox
<pinPoint> i cant start gnome now
<mjr> black_Nightmare, that might help, I think alsa has pnp support. Or might not, I don't know.
<pinPoint> what now
<pinPoint> im screwed?
<crimsun> alsa does have pnp support, but it's recommended that you not use it.
<black_Nightmare> hmm that reminds me...
<pinPoint> getting a nice error before gnome startup
<mjr> anyway, I'll just go to sleep from telling people to fiddle with themselves now, thankyouverymuch
<lnoldan> thoreauputic, any of those avalible through synaptic?
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: you might need to install isapnptools , and fiddle
<black_Nightmare> any of you know what the actual defintition is of a "controllerless modem"?
<black_Nightmare> its aopen FM56-PX pci
<thoreauputic> lnoldan: all of them, AFAIK ( probably in universe repo)
<geneo93> just got 204 mb free by removing OO
<lnoldan> black_Nightmare, I would assume the same as a win-modem  (software controlled, vs having a hardware controller)
<lnoldan> thoreauputic, thanks.
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: check linmodems.org and search
<black_Nightmare> hmm...good thought
<black_Nightmare> thanks
<crimsun> outlaw: and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
<black_Nightmare> one second...
<outlaw> crimsun do you have a high speed connection
<black_Nightmare> okie found the card easily...
<crimsun> outlaw: yes, but don't dcc me anything.
<black_Nightmare> CONEXANT  CX06834-11
<outlaw> don't worry I don't even know ehat that means :)
<outlaw> crimsun if I gave you my email would you consider sending me a tar.gx of your xkb dir?
<lnoldan> brb
<bluefoxicy> hah"
<bluefoxicy> dosfsck put a directory in itself
<FR500> is anyone having troubles with java being too slow in ubuntu?
<bluefoxicy> and kliled my usbdisk
<bluefoxicy> though windows killed it too.
<FR500> java in firefox i mean
<black_Nightmare> someone tell me this is stupid http://www.devidal.tv/~chris/winmodems/conexant/conexant_monopak_hcf.html  2003-09-08 they make you PAY for linux drivers :|
<Frederick> hi folks
<black_Nightmare> I probably should trade this modem card for something that has free drivers?
<Frederick> can anyone pleasse help me with users mounting cdrom?
<thoreauputic> FR500: when is javav ever fast ? *grin*
<pinPoint> heh
<FR500> thoreauputic:  well same it's faster in the same computer + windoze
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: if you get an external hardware modem, you won't need drivers
<geneo93> crimsun:  is it safe to upgrade from warty to hoary with out updating warty
<FR500> but
<FR500> i hate windows
<crimsun> geneo93: hmm?
<pinPoint> what is /dev/cdrom
<outlaw> I know about those **** black_Nightmare
<pinPoint> /dev/dvd
<crimsun> geneo93: how would you upgrade without updating?
<FR500> geneo93:  you mean installing hoary without toaching warty?
<FR500> geneo93:  if that is the cae you should be safe
<pinPoint> i dont i had a success install of fglrx crimsun
<pinPoint> it screwed up things
<crimsun> outlaw: no need for me to send, just unpack xlibs and xbase-clients
<pinPoint> dvds are laggy still
<crimsun> pinPoint: did you follow mjr's hints about DMA?
<pinPoint> i have to type 'startx'
<pinPoint> yes i did
<outlaw> you mean apt-get?
<geneo93> well i have warty off cd without the 132 mb of updates i need and what to upgrade right to hoary
<pinPoint> did them on /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom
<black_Nightmare> outlaw hehe ~ well this aopen modem lasted me well when I was seriously only having dialup access for several months [and still running 98se anyhow whatever] 
<pinPoint> thats correct?
<janc> Frederick : cd-roms should mount automaticly?
<crimsun> outlaw: sure, and use dpkg-deb -x
<thully> Hi - I'm curious - what portable music players are usable in Ubuntu as standard mass storage for transferring songs?
<black_Nightmare> so I guess I wouldn't mind making a trade together with original box ;)
<FR500> geneo93:  i don't really understand
<Frederick> janc: no but users should be able to mount them if they want
<FR500> geneo93:  you want to have both? or just upgrade?
<calc> thully: ipod works as regular mass storage
<lnoldan> so I don't completely flock this thing up.... a PentiumII = i686?
<thully> yes - but not for transferring songs
<thully> I don
<outlaw> never used dpkg before could you please be very explict in your instructions .... sorry
<thoreauputic> lnoldan: yes
<FR500> talking about mass storage, my usb1.1 hd doesnt work
<FR500> any clues?
<janc> Frederick : a cd-rom should be mounted automaticly after closing the CD-drive
<lnoldan> thoreauputic, alright, going to add the right kernel arch, and reboot with the new window managers..... wish me luck :)
<thoreauputic> lnoldan: pentium classic, I= i586
<pinPoint> crimsun: [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found!
<thoreauputic> :)
<geneo93> just go from warty install off cd to hoary
<Frederick> janc: I need something like this /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0
<pinPoint> bootup
* |QuaD- just went from kubuntu back to ubuntu
<Frederick> janc: but my user still unable to mount it
<FR500> geneo93:  it's not that safe
<crimsun> geneo93: do you have a live Internet connection on the warty machine?
<FR500> better download the iso, and burn it
* syn-ack doesnt like KDE, so, he just sticks to Ubuntu
<thully> I may just end up getting an iPod - but drap-and-drop without any intermediate software would be nice (I know iriver does this, any others?)
<geneo93> yes this is it
<janc> I'm the only user here...  :)
<|QuaD-> syn-ack: i used to like kde better, but i tend to find my self liking gnome now too
<crimsun> geneo93: are you on dial-up or metered?
<thoreauputic> FR500: have more faith - apt is an incredible tool
<geneo93> dial up
<janc> probably they have t obe in the cdrom group
<janc> ?
<syn-ack> |QuaD-: Ive used Gnome since my Red Hat days. ;)
<FR500> thoreauputic:  3 of 3 wartys broken for me
<crimsun> geneo93: well then try using the hoary cd to dist-upgrade
<syn-ack> I can remember when Gnome had SawFish as its WM. :)
<thoreauputic> FR500: how did you manage that ?
<outlaw> apt-get is one the main reasons why I choose debian
<FR500> thoreauputic:  apt-get dist-upgrade
<|QuaD-> oh well, i really liked kpim, but evolution is as fully featured
<geneo93> i dont have a hoary cd
<crimsun> geneo93: then how do you plan to go to hoary?
<thoreauputic> FR500: i've dist upgraded several times without incident...
<FR500> didnt even break gnome?
<thoreauputic> FR500: nope
<geneo93> just change the repositories in synaptic to hoary
<FR500> weird
<crimsun> geneo93: then you'll still have to update && dist-upgrade
<thoreauputic> FR500: do you have backports or non-ubuntu debs installed?
<syn-ack> Thats usually how I upgrade.
<geneo93> yup
<FR500> thoreauputic:  i got a sources.list from......you i think
<crimsun> geneo93: which means you'll still have to download ~700 MB of updates
<thoreauputic> FR500: haha - OK it's all my fault :)
<outlaw> crimsum?
<FR500> seriously, i think you sent me
<geneo93> well i killed off OO saves 200+ there and emacs another 50 or so
<FR500> not sure though
<maven_> morning ,every body
<thoreauputic> FR500: well, mine seems to be working fine ;)
<FR500> thoreauputic:  well xserver broke on all of mine
<crimsun> geneo93: so now you're down to 600.
<geneo93> crimsun:  i'll let you know how much it will take without those
<thoreauputic> FR500: do you have nvidia drivers?
<thoreauputic> or ati?
<FR500> no
<thully> geneo93- one thing you may want to know - Hoary will be available on CD soon for free if you can wait
<thoreauputic> FR500: odd then - *shrug*
* FR500 shrughs too
<thully> right now, it isn't  an official "stable" release (although it is pretty stable)
<sal002> Crap...Hoary won't bood...group descriptor corrupted
<sal002> boot
<jony> hi
<thully> However, at least Ubuntu's stable releases actually have a kernel/software from this century...
<black_Nightmare> a bit confusing to me but ~ anyone care to tell me if any difference between controllerless and software modems?
<thully> no - same thing
<black_Nightmare> both being conexant
<jony> how can i modify my $PATH var??? to add jdk1.5###/bin/
<black_Nightmare> oh ic
<geneo93> on my way
<thully> black_Nightmare - oh, conexant - one is HSF and one is HCF, and they use different drivers
<jony> black_Nightmare, win modems or softwaremodems rely on apps to do the functions normal modems have built in.
<thully> HSF is software modem, and HCF is controllerless I believe
<thully> They are both very similar - use slightly different drivers though
<black_Nightmare> ehh....guess I'll just try find a cash+trade for external 28.8K or better then
<black_Nightmare> usr perhaps? ;)
<thully> You can go to www.linuxant.com and download drivers - they have a free 14.4 driver and a full driver which costs
<thor|coffee> black_Nightmare: get a 56k - 28 is really too painful to contemplate
<jony> thully, how can i modify my $PATH
<jony> ?
<black_Nightmare> thor..lol I said 'or better' :p
<thully> they have both software/controllerless
<outlaw> crimsun did you get my request for more explicit intructions on using dpkg to extract those files?
<geneo93> black_Nightmare:  i've seen them on ebay for 5 bucks serial modems
<crimsun> outlaw: use dpkg-deb -x
<crimsun> outlaw: man dpkg-deb
<sal002> Is there a way to repair my disk if the group descriptor blocks are corrupted?
<xbaez> hi , i already change sources.list for upgrade hoary but when i run apt-get update show me 2 errors in Sources.gz
<bloated> hi
<bloated> why is ubuntu so hot
<thully> Also, many people's phone lines can only do 28.8 - like mine.  That's why I use a wireless (as in mobile phone technology, not wi-fi) connection.
<xbaez> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
<xbaez> some idea ?
<jony> xbaez, have you imported the gpg keys??
<bloated> ubuntu is debian isnt it?
<xbaez> jony, nop
<thully> no - it's debian based - uses it's own repository but is very similar to debian, only simpler
<jony> xbaez, are you adding the nerif.net servers or something like that??
<black_Nightmare> isa blaster sound card, external 28.8K-56K used modem, pci realtek ethernet card, cdrw, dvdrom, 2x 2.5gb hd, to find 2nd 128mb ram for 256mb total ram, 300Amhz slot1
<black_Nightmare> what else can I be missing in hardwares? :p
<thully> I actually find the fact that Ubuntu uses it's own repo to be an advantage - no dealing with unstable/testing and non-standard packages
<bloated> should i grab the 5.04 preview?
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: a Mac G5 ;-)
<crimsun> bloated: array-7
<black_Nightmare> thore..thats too much $$ :))
<crimsun> bloated: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/
<jony> black_Nightmare, http://www.linmodems.org/
<thoreauputic> black_Nightmare: indeed ;)
<xbaez> jony, no, are the sources from instalation, i just replace warty for hoary
<black_Nightmare> thore... :p
<thully> I always think it's a bit weird that people run Linux on Macs - isn't their main appeal Mac OS?
<black_Nightmare> thully..no clue :)
<jony> hmmm there's a guide to do that look in www.ubuntuguide.org
<utku> hi all, are you experiencing problems with xorg from ubuntu depots while using nvidia drivers, like freezes etc.
<geneo93> black_Nightmare:  best external modem i ever had was a diamond supra
<sal002> Anyone know if you can repair an ext3 filesystem that has a corrupted group descriptor block?
<black_Nightmare> geneo ... hmm never seen any of these -- save an supraexpress on the mac (its these adb-powered one)
<black_Nightmare> its mostly usr and aopen around here
<crimsun> sal002: yes, using e2fsck
<black_Nightmare> but intel now seem to also have their own budget winmodem card too
<geneo93> that would do shotguning
<geneo93> two phone line dual connection
<jony> geneo93, how can i change my $PATH huh???
<thoreauputic> thully: the mac is nice hardware - and I like my iBook G4 with linux better than OS-X
<jony> geneo93, i want to add the bin dir for java
<geneo93> 10kb/s d/l
<thoreauputic> thully: Linus Torvalds runs a G5 BTW
<outlaw> tis asking for a extract directory for xlibs crimsun /usr/X11R6?
<bloated> crimsun: i can use the livecd to install also?
<janc> utku : I use the default open source drivers for nvidia and those seem to be stable  :-)
<janc> don't know about the binary drivers...
<crimsun> bloated: no.
<xbaez> how can i upgrade to hoarty ?
<bloated> no?
<crimsun> bloated: no, use the install cds
<black_Nightmare> any of you got any experience with emulating windows 3.1 or 95 either way on ubuntu?
<sal002> crimsun: Thanks!
<thully> either way?
<black_Nightmare> thully..sorry I mean either os anyhow ;)
<thully> you could try qemu for that - but it's a little slow
<thoreauputic> jony: read the ubuntuguide.org java howto
<thully> There is a new accelerator module, though (but it is closed source and requires latest CVS qemu, I believe)
<black_Nightmare> qemu hmm..I think I might have heard that -- got a link?
<geneo93> just google ubuntu java
<thully> I think it's in universe - http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ is the homepage
<jony> thoreauputic, thanx
<lnoldan> what's the apt command to rebuild broken kernel modules
<bloated> black_Nightmare: you can use wine, cedega, vmware etc
<lnoldan> the one you'ld run after a kernel upgrade?
<pinPoint> mjr: you around?
<janc> hm, I've never tried qemu
<janc> only bochs...
<bloated> can ubuntu compile software for you?
<geneo93> take you right to the page
<geneo93> man there must have been a shit load of updates today
<underlord> im thinking about upgrading my computer soon, is there any reason at all to get a 64bit system instead of 32?
<black_Nightmare> bloated thing anyhow was that I was wondering about getting one 3.1/95 software to run as its a camera program for an older digital camera which is in its own properity picture formats (norm in early days I guess, go figure)
* outlaw wishes one and all a fond farewell thanks for your help crimsun ....take care
<bloated> underlord: isnt it better to get something small and an HMD
<black_Nightmare> ubuntu almost all the way for me but emulating windows to run some specific smaller programs I need
<bloated> www.cbc.ca/cyberman
<black_Nightmare> ;)
<geneo93> yes but you need the libs
<lnoldan> anyone?
<black_Nightmare> anyhow I'm going to bed now
<bloated> black_Nightmare: i dont know if itll work
<black_Nightmare> I might be back tomorrow
<utku> janc: are you using composite addon?
<black_Nightmare> ty a LOT of you anyhow.. bye :D
<crimsun> lnoldan: huh?
<janc> utku : no
<underlord> bloated: whats hmd?
<bloated> head mounted display
<lnoldan> there's a command  "apt-get install something(uname -a)" to repair missing kernel modules. after replacing the noarch with something specific.  anyone able to help me find the mising piece?
<bloated> :>
<underlord> lol, no thanks :P
<thoreauputic> lnoldan: your question didn't make a lot of sense
<janc> utku : composite requires OpenGL IIRC ?
<crimsun> lnoldan: are you trying to recompile kernel modules?
<daniels> janc: no, it doesn't
<bloated> no thanks?
<lnoldan> crimsun, no, I just replaced the noarch, with the 686 kernel.  At boot it pukes on at least two modules.
<jony> if i add a simbolic link to the java/bin directory in usr/local/bin would it work???
<bloated> soon everyone will have hmds
<crimsun> noarch? what the...
<thully> speaking of emulation, what's the best way to run Windows apps (especially multimedia stuff - no games, though) on Linux?  I especially want to buy music online
<underlord> they said that 10 years ago, and i still dont
<maddler> hmmmm... I need a help...
<Agrajag> wine, or vmware
<thully> I've used pyMusique, but don't want to be busted for TOS violation
<underlord> its stupid, why would anyone want to put a computer on their head
<thoreauputic> crimsun: I guess he means he upgraded to i686 or somehting
<crimsun> thully: then just JHymn
<thoreauputic> oops
<maddler> what if I want to compile a program and I am running an x86_64 kernel?
<lnoldan> crimsun, the default kernel isn't tailored to any specific processor.  it's generic x86  I replaced it with the 686 kernel.  hense noarch -> 686
<maddler> right now I get checking host system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
<maddler> checking for gcc... no
<maddler> checking for cc... no
<maddler> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
<thully> with iTunes in crossover, or what?
<maddler> I know I am missing something... but what?
<Agrajag> maddler: did you install build-essential
<crimsun> lnoldan: no, that's i386, most definitely an arch. You want linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
<thully> Also, does anyone sync an iPod w/iTunes in crossover?
<thoreauputic> maddler: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<bloated> underlord: because you can turn the world into a computer with software. the hardware becomes a mediator tot he external world
<maddler> ok... perfect... I knew there was smth :)
<thoreauputic> maddler: you are missing a compiler and other bits :)
<bloated> itll be as useful as your t shirt and glasses
<maddler> thoreauputic: :)
<janc> hm, there is a nice article about the stupidity of DRM on the BBC site   :)
<underlord> yeah,, ok, i can understand people wanting to live online, but stil, its pritty over the top
<thoreauputic> janc: link?
<thully> speaking of build-essential - I recently installed it and tried to compile a class project in C++, and I got an error message, something about assert.  On Fedora it works fine.  What am I missing?
<bloated> underlord: its all be said before about what we have now
<janc> http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4360793.stm
<janc> (print version)
<bloated> its only a matter of time
<underlord> all i wanna do with my computer is steal tv shows and code cool apps, maybe a bit of artistic stuff on the sde, not live in it
<thoreauputic> thully: probably a dev library (that's the usual problem anyway)
<geneo93> gcc matbe
<underlord> if you used one for very long you would totaly lose depth perception too
<thully> I installed build-essential
<bloated> underlord: youll have a camera as well, so itll improve your vision
<rbaker> I upgraded my kernel and now I cannot change my display resolution, it is now stuck at 640x480, I was happyily running 1024x768.
<maddler> time to hit the bed here!
<maddler> thank you all!
<bloated> itll replace glasses etc
<maddler> mako... c ya nxt time dude! :D
<crimsun> thully: are you using the correct #include?
<underlord> hows it improve your vision, you can still only see at the same resolution regardless of if you have a camera and screen infront of your bio-cameras
<crimsun> thully: i.e. cassert
<bloated> itll improve your driving
<thully> Yes - this compiles fine on Fedora Core 3
<thully> should work
<rbaker> I even modified XF86config-4 and still nothing.
<thully> crimsun: what setup do you have w/JHymn?  Do you use iTunes w/crossover office
<caffinated> is there something special I have to do to get gnome VFS to work again?  it doesn't seem to work in hoary since the installation.  (ie: applications-all-users:/// in nautilus brings up an invalid location error)
<underlord> bloated: have you listened to tales from the afternow?
<crimsun> thully: no, I have a workstation that runs xp
<thully> oh - you buy there and then move the songs - I see
<crimsun> yep
<thoreauputic> caffinated: menu editing is broken in gnome 2.10
<caffinated> argh!
<crimsun> rbaker: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
<bloated> underlord: it will happen because it is
<caffinated> thoreauputic: any workaround?
<rbaker> ii  linux-restrict 2.6.8.1.3-4    Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on 386
<thoreauputic> caffinated: there's a script/app for it written by Amaranth
<thoreauputic> don't have a link
<crimsun> rbaker: still running warty?
<underlord> yeps
<Amaranth> thoreauputic: menu editor?
<thoreauputic> caffinated: a search on the wiki/forum would find it I think
<rbaker> crimsun, yes
<geneo93> crimsun:  340 mb without OO and emacs
<caffinated> thoreauputic: fair enough, i'll have a peek.  thanks for the heads up
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: that's yours, isn't it ?
<Amaranth> thoreauputic: it's getting it's own subforum, i think :)
<Amaranth> thoreauputic: yeah
* thoreauputic points at geneo93 and pokes Amaranth
<caffinated> Amaranth: oh, i don't suppose you could save me the time and link me, eh? ;)
<Amaranth> caffinated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705 <--known to work
<crimsun> geneo93: nice
<caffinated> thanks a bunch
<Amaranth> caffinated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21048 <--if you want to help test
<crimsun> rbaker: sec, lemme update.
<Amaranth> almost positive 0.2 won't work so good luck :P
<rbaker> I thought I was totally updated, am I not?
<caffinated> Amaranth: it looks nice, i daresay nicer than actually using nautilus :)
<Amaranth> hehe
<crimsun> rbaker: won't know til my update finishes
<rbaker> all I know is that I'm going nuts trying to use this notebook with such a crappy resolution. and ctrl+alt+ + or - makes no differnce.
<geppy> Why doesn't Firefox have a soundserver-wrapper built in for plugins like Konqueror does?  And, more importantly;  what should I do about it?
<crimsun> geppy: it does.
<geppy> crimsun: Where can it be found?
<crimsun> granted, you have 1 choice, really, and that's esd.
<thoreauputic> heh just realised I pointed at the wrong nick ...
<geppy> crimsun:  eh, yeah, well, I guess that'll work, as ESD/polypaudio can pipe to other servers =)
<Amaranth> caffinated: Give up on PHP yet? :)
<geppy> crimsun:  Where can I find the options for that?
<caffinated> Amaranth: hell no, they've made me a moderator now.  so i can twist and bend minds!
<Amaranth> caffinated: moderator of what?
<crimsun> geppy: zmore /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian.gz
<caffinated> Amaranth: #php
<rbaker> where is grub.conf file?
<Amaranth> caffinated: ah. you should use python. :P
<caffinated> i officially have keys to the executive washroom!
<Amaranth> caffinated: that menu editor is written in python
<caffinated> Amaranth: i can believe it
<crimsun> geppy: make sure the libesd.so.1 symlink exists
<crimsun> rbaker: /boot/grub/menu.lst
<caffinated> Amaranth: i must spend half my day telling people php is not a very good GUI language heh
<bloated> which software will burn isos?
<bloated> nautilus cd burner>?
<rbaker> ahh
<caffinated> Amaranth: someone actually came in with php-SDL questions yesterday.  i almost died :(
<HrdwrBoB> bloated: right click on it
<Amaranth> lmao
<Amaranth> caffinated: didn't daeken write that?
<caffinated> i have no idea.  but it is officially a Thing that Should Not Be(tm)
<bloated> HrdwrBoB: nautilus will burn isos?
<Amaranth> bloated: right click on the iso :D
<geppy> crimsun:  where does the libesd.so.1  need to be?
<HrdwrBoB> bloated: yes
<crimsun> geppy: /usr/lib/
<rbaker> is there some kind of script I can run to try and change the resolution?
<rbaker> cause the one that's in COMPUTER doesn't give me any options other than 640x480/
<crimsun> rbaker: sec, my warty machine is rebooting
<rbaker> ok.
<Amaranth> rbaker: you'll need to edit the config file
<geppy> crimsun: Do I need to make a symlink from libesd.so.1 to libesd.so.0?
<rbaker> Amaranth, I did
<rbaker> XF86config-4
<Amaranth> remove all the resolution settings except the one you want
<rbaker> I did.
<Amaranth> then i dunno
<rbaker> me either =P
<crimsun> rbaker: your l-r-m is quite old
<rbaker> so how should I update
<crimsun> rbaker: ii  linux-restrict 2.6.8.1.3-7    Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on PPro/Celer
<crimsun> rbaker: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<rbaker> I tried to use 2.6.11.5 bt it kernel panic
<geneo93> maybe its in grub config
<rbaker> I did that, I get nothing
<rbaker> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
<crimsun> rbaker: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
<crimsun> rbaker: paste in #flood
<rbaker> what do I need to change in sourcelist
<rbaker> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
<rbaker> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main
<rbaker> that's all I have.
<crimsun> hah
<crimsun> you're missing restricted
<rbaker> ahh
<crimsun> *** 2.6.8.1.3-7 0 500 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Packages
<geneo93> click all them
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: any screenies of your editor ? ( just curious - I'm on Warty anyway)
<Amaranth> thoreauputic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: thanks - looking
<geneo93> crimsun:  i was 10 minutes away from have up to date hoary and then things went south
<zerovertex> Anyone using Skype? I'd like to try it out on ubuntu
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: umm - that's where I was - I was thinking a screnshot would be interesting - have I missed something obvious?
<Amaranth> ?
<thoreauputic> *screenshot
<geppy> I'm getting _really_ choppy playback in firefox of an asf file;  is this because of asf decoder problems, or is it something that I can fix?
<Amaranth> it isn't interesting? :)
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: I don't see a screenshot here ?
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: it has a GUI, I guess?
<Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor.png
<thoreauputic> OK :)
<thoreauputic> thanks again
<rbaker> crimsun, I got it started.
<rbaker> I'm updating.
<crimsun> rbaker: good.
<rbaker> ok done
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: looks really nice :) And easy to understand :)
<rbaker> but now what?
<caffinated> Amaranth: you should look at getting that added to one of the standard repositories
<geneo93> crimsun:  its was hanging on kde stuff said something about svg being in kde base and something else and it couldn't over write it
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: and BTW of course it's interesting - bookmarked for passing on in the channel to the frustrated hordes ;-)
<Amaranth> hehe
<Amaranth> point them to 0.1 for now
<Amaranth> i don't think i'll have a working replacement until 0.3, 0.2 is dead in the water
<suifur> How would I forbid a module from being loaded? I have a Netgear WG511 wireless card and it 'supposedly' works with the prism54 native linux driver but it doesn't and I want to use ndiswrapper instead. I want to forbid my system from loading the prism54 driver and alias wlan0 to ndiswrapper. how would i do so?
<thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK
<thoreauputic> :)
<caffinated> suifur: modprobe
<jony> do you guys know any good java IDE or editor for linux??
<caffinated> jony: jedit or eclipse
<suifur> caffinated: im aware of that but at boot it automatigically loads the prism54 driver...
<Absenth> what would be an example of a very light weight web browser, that at least mostly functions?
<suifur> Absenth: epiphany? firefox?
<Absenth> just pulling up a page in firefox on this computer takes the cpu to 90% ormore.
<suifur> Absenth: what is it?
<Absenth> the page?  www.userfriendly.org
<caffinated> Absenth: well, if you're willing to go non-free, i'd suggest opera
<suifur> Absenth: no the hardware?
<Absenth> P2 266 with 192mb of ram now.
<caffinated> the alternative browsers to firefox mostly suck in the free dept.
<caffinated> either that, or they're using the gecko engine anyway
<geneo93> Absenth:  dilo
<crimsun> geneo93: ah, a conflicting file?
<suifur> Absenth: heh i have less ram than that and run a p2 333 and i have no problems at all but you might try getting off of Gnome first, its a resource hog on machines like that
<Absenth> suifur I'll exit, and come back in xfce and see how that goes.
<geneo93> galion
<Absenth> brb
<caffinated> those are all gecko browsers iirc
<caffinated> so they're all going to be a bit hungry
<thoreauputic> Absenth: as geneo93 says , dillo is quite nice - but rather limited
* caffinated is surprised nobody said lynx
<caffinated> heh
<caffinated> or good ol' elinks even
<crimsun> links or w3m
<thoreauputic> caffinated: actually *links* compiled with graphics is quite good, if a bit eccentric
<thoreauputic> links -g
<caffinated> thoreauputic: i know a guy who uses it quite religiously.  i think he's half insane
<geneo93> caffinated:  thats to much work for most ppl
<Absenth> so I should look into Dilo as well as opera.  Anything else I should consider trying?
<thoreauputic> caffinated: good for browsing sites that block well-known browsers but don't have  aclue what links is ;-)
<caffinated> Absenth: well, you could try something that uses khtml, but i'm less than happy with that engine myself.
<geneo93> i've used it a couple of times in 6 yrs so
<caffinated> thoreauputic: that makes no sense.  why would you make a site, and then block well-known browsers?
<thoreauputic> caffinated: heh - banks do it all the time
<thoreauputic> :)
<NormD> I'm assuming that means "I.E. only"...?
<caffinated> ah, ok
<caffinated> NormD: yeah, i wasn't thinking ;)
<thoreauputic> NormD: oh - and the ones that won't allow firefox but allow netscape 7
<Absenth> Hmmmm..... just the gnome terminal is worth 9% of the cpu.....
<thoreauputic> what a joke
<Absenth> Thanks for the help guys.
<NormD> heh.  assumption there is probably "I.E. and AOL only"  : )
<caffinated> thoreauputic: that's usually due to bad browser checking.  not any desire to block mozilla and/or firefox
<thoreauputic> Absenth: gnome termianl is slow - try aterm
<caffinated> or eterm :D
<Absenth> I guess I'll have to install those.....
<thoreauputic> caffinated: yet when you email them, they don't fix it
<caffinated> i have cycles to waste though, so i use gnome-terminal
<pinPoint> i set my dma to on on /hda and still totem takes a long time to load
<caffinated> thoreauputic: it takes a lot of noise for any of those places to consider spending the money
<Absenth> this is a huge departure from my normal computing experiance.
<pinPoint> for playing dvds
<caffinated> thoreauputic: you have to keep in mind that the decision makers are clueless
<thoreauputic> caffinated: indeed
<sabmoc> hello
<geneo93> xterm is there i believe
<Absenth> the other two computers are a 1900+ w/512 and a 2400+ w/1024mb respectivly
<thoreauputic> caffinated: well, firefox is edging towards 10% - soon they'll have to pay attention
<Absenth> I am hoping to get this slow pc running well enough that I don't mind surfing, and checking my mail on it.
<caffinated> thoreauputic: it's still a farily small piece of the pie overall;  but one would hope they would.
<geneo93> i use what ever is handy
<Absenth> keep the temps in my office under 28c :)
<caffinated> thoreauputic: it all comes back to this.  We pay attention to it all, so it's a big deal to us.  they don't pay attention to it, so unless a lot of people bitch, nothing will happen.
<thoreauputic> caffinated: they can't afford to alienate 10% of their customers, though
<NormD> I thought I saw 6% on the last slashdot blurb I read...still, that's quite a movement over the last few months.
<DazeD||laptop> hows everyone doing tonight
<pinPoint> need help with playing dvd
<caffinated> thoreauputic: 10% browser usage doesn't really mean 10% of the banks customers
<thoreauputic> caffinated: but I understand your point and agree with you
<Absenth> I don't suppose there's any way to migrate the gnome menus into xfce?
<caffinated> a bank may have less than 1% of it's users using firefox.
<geneo93> dont believe any thing on /.
<thoreauputic> caffinated: true- IE still rules the banks I guess ;-)
<Fackamato> has anyone experienced any troubles by compiling your own kernel in ubuntu?
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: no, because I haven't ;-)
<thoreauputic> sorry
<caffinated> geneo93: it's not a question of believing or disbelieving things on /. - it's to do with using your brain, and doing some follow-up research if you're interested in being in the know.
<thoreauputic> :)
<Fackamato> thoreauputic: ;P
<Fackamato> I'm thinking of compiling my own kernel
<Fackamato> Just for fun, tweak it etc
<NormD> hrrm....I gotta believe *some* things I read there...else I wouldn't have noticed Ubuntu and Mepis...caffinated's right on the money there. : )
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: thinking about it is harmless ;)
<Absenth> anyone want to share the diffrences between a and e term?
<caffinated> Absenth: e is closer to z?
<Absenth> that was helpful :)
* SeeleyUSMC is back finally.  The wireless connection went down for a while today...
<caffinated> Absenth: eterm has a few more eye-candy options ;)
<geneo93> well how does osnews report ubuntu
<Fackamato> thoreauputic:  :P :P :P
<caffinated> well i would hope
<thoreauputic> Absenth: aterm is lighter, eterm is eaier to configure with point and click
<caffinated> this distro kicks ass
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: heheh
<Fackamato> thoreauputic: well, I'm gonna go for it
<Absenth> I'm installing both :)
<geneo93> eugenia sucks big ones so i dont read it anymore
<thoreauputic> Fackamato: have fun then :)
<caffinated> excellent community backing, and a truly brilliant marketing idea.
<caffinated> the free CD shipping - just brilliant.  i've got all my friends ordering them :)
<Absenth> Ubuntu does kick ass....  on slightly faster hardware then this computer :)
<Absenth> I think my Celery 700 would do fantastic.
<geneo93> well look at beos gave free d/l for pe and i didn't succeed
<rempresent> i am trying the new kubuntu release, it isn't all that great
<rempresent> kde still looks a little dated
<rempresent> not as pretty or smooth as ubuntu
<DazeD||laptop> hey how do get my wireless card to scan for access points to connect to...and once found how do i get it to connect to it?
<Absenth> rempresent, I had Xandros 3 on the other computer earlier today.  I agree KDE just isn't for me.
<geneo93> update it then
<caffinated> geneo93: right, but this is different because people will order it just because it's free, and it doesn't use up their time.  beos also didn't have a livecd, had sub-par hardware support, and it lacked a lot of software.
<thoreauputic> Absenth: try aterm -tr +sb -sh 80 -fg grey -bg black  when you get it, to see waht can be done...
<rempresent> there is just something about gnome that makes it more current
<Absenth> rempresent, however, the guys over at Mad Penguin think kde and qt are the cats ass, and gnome/gtk suck.
<NormD> I'll order a few sets to pass along after the official release. I suspect it might even be "auntie ready" by that point...
<caffinated> geneo93: someone is more likely to try something if a friend hands them a cd and says "keep it, i have 9 more at home" than if they're given a link
<rempresent> i understand, i just can't see it, i am going to use kde for a week, and if i am still disappointed then i am going back
<Absenth> thoreauputic, that looks pretty nice actually.
<thoreauputic> caffinated: yes, my 15 CDs went fast
<rempresent> i just tried installing debian by itself today also, that was a task...
<caffinated> thoreauputic: heh, guess it's time to get on the new list eh?  i went conservative, only 10 386 builds and 3 AMD64 builds
<geneo93> thats true
<rempresent> after like 3 hours, x wouldn't run correctly and crashed on me
<caffinated> i should have got a few PPC ones though, i know some macintoy users
<thoreauputic> Absenth: assuming you have a functional mouse scroll wheel it's fairly practical
<geneo93> i took my other 9 to the local library
<Absenth> rempresent, I'll be honest I haven't loved gnome much in the past, although, the way Ubuntu has it configured really changed my mind.  at least 90% better then a generic gnome setup like FC3's layout
<rempresent> yep, i agree
<calc> is FC3's actually generic now?
<thoreauputic> caffinated: I'm already signed up :)
<calc> they used to modify it heavily
<rempresent> i am not crazy about the whole rpm deal either
<rempresent> apt is the shit
<Absenth> calc, I dunno about that, but it's just a toolbar across the bottom ala windows.
<calc> Absenth: that isn't stock gnome
<caffinated> Absenth: well, to give you an idea:  i've used linux off and on forever.  and I always go back to windows.  there is always some annoyance or issue or problem that angers me enough to go back.  I think they may have actually got it to the point where it's a viable alternative now.
<calc> ubuntu's gnome is nearly stock but they changed the top menu around a bit
<geneo93> anything that comes from rh needs a good polish
<Roey> hi
<calc> so i guess it is proof that the normal gnome layout is a pretty good one :)
<Roey> calc: hi
<calc> Roey: hi
<Absenth> caffinated, I'm in the same boat.  Although I've found recently if you're willing to pull your hair out in the first few weeks after setup to get everything working.  then it's smooth sailing.
<Roey> once I compile my own kernel, how do I use mkinitrd on that new kernel image?
<|al3x|> calc : i think so
<caffinated> Absenth: many people mistake my attitude as some kind of "fanboyism" but the truth is, i've been waiting, and checking back for a long time now waiting for *this*
<Absenth> caffinated, also it's nice not to have the system performance degrade over the next 6 weeks --> 6 months forcing another reinstall.
<geneo93> caffinated:  best way to avoid going back is fdisk and nukeing cds
<andrewski> caffinated: *this* being ubuntu?
<caffinated> andrewski: more or less
<caffinated> it's not completely hassle-free, but it's close enough for me now.
<Absenth> caffinated, what I've been waiting for was a way to use linux, and still get my work done at the office which is over 99% windows.
* calc keeps a windows box around in case he has to use something not available under linux
<Fackamato> Hm, anyone know a page with kernel tweaks?
<Fackamato> Performance tweaks
<andrewski> caffinated: well, nice.  i switched from gentoo; nice we can coexist with this distro. :)
<caffinated> geneo93: i'm not pro-windows.  i'm not pro-linux.  i'm pro-having-it-my-way. :)
<crimsun> calc: like everquest
<andrewski> Fackamato: the kernel docs?
<SiRrUs> good evening guys
<calc> crimsun: heh, i'm still stuck playing old games ;)
<Roey> anyone know the answer to my question?
<crimsun> calc: hehe
<Absenth> caffinated, it it wasn't quite so....  stupid....  I'd probibly be using Xandros 3.0 buisness edition at work, since it intigrated with AD really nicely.  However I don't really want to pay $129 for something I don't like.
* Roey points to crimsun accusingly
<Roey> YOU!
<calc> i never reboot my main desktop out of linux
<Roey> you know
<Amaranth> caffinated: Ubuntu was the first distro that kept me on Linux more then a week
<crimsun> Roey: hey now, I'm checking lastlog
<thoreauputic> the other thing that's nice is the relative absence of arrogance and elitism on this channel
<NormD> absenth: cygwin and OO 2.0? : )
<Absenth> caffinated, I'm pretty Pro OpenBSD.
<Roey> crimsun:  :)
<caffinated> Absenth: heh, i actually destroyed my first installation with too much tinkering
<|al3x|> Amaranth: :-) really ??
<caffinated> however, i wanted to move to hoary anyway
<calc> i think i more or less stop dual booting my desktop in 98
<Amaranth> yeah
<caffinated> so it all worked out
<Roey> *caffeinated
<Roey> *absynthe
<crimsun> Roey: pfft. You're supposed to pass --initrd
<Amaranth> i've used it on servers for years so i was comfortable with a command line but other things were annoying
<Roey> crimsun: to what, the kernel building process? :)
<Absenth> NormD, I can't seem to make Cygwin do anything I want it to inany sort of useful manner
<crimsun> Roey: to fakeroot make-kpkg
<caffinated> Amaranth: i *love* gnome.  it's so clean, and snappy.
<Amaranth> yeah
<Roey> crimsun: that's a command?!
<Roey> caffinated: that's what I like about KDE, too.
<crimsun> Roey: see make-kpkg(1) !
* DoppelGanger disagrees with thoreauputic i represent the elitisim adn arrogant groups
<Roey> crimsun: thanks!!!!
<caffinated> Absenth: under windows i don't use cygwin, i use services for unix
<Absenth> Roey, it's actually Absinth 90% of the time.  In New Orleans it was renamed Absynthe.
<|al3x|> i want to upgrade my warty to hoary
<Roey> Absenth: oh right!
<thoreauputic> DoppelGanger: haha - well someone has to iI guess :)
* Absenth grins at Roey
<Roey> Absenth: why the name change? is that a brand name?
<caffinated> Absenth: it's still free (albiet it needs 2000 or XP pro) but it's much better integrated, and i found things easier to compile.
* Roey notes absinth is toxic
<Absenth> Roey, no, just curious how many people would catch the misspelling :)
<billytwowilly> |al3x|, it's easy read the wiki you change 3 or 4 things in your sources.list file from warty to hoary.
<Roey> Absenth: :)
<caffinated> that's how i kept using irssi in windows
<caffinated> SFU + GCC + irssi source ;)
<Absenth> So Far you're only the second one.
<DoppelGanger> Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - http://irssi.org/ makes you sexy
<|al3x|> billytowilly : yup, i c
<geneo93> |al3x|:  its very easy
<calc> just do :%s/warty/hoary/g
<New2ubuntu> I need help I need to get DVD support on my machine, but it insists that this repository doesn't exist deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable
<Absenth> now.....  If I could only get my Blackberry to connect to my linux machine at work.  The conversion would be complete.
<New2ubuntu> Is there another repository that has win32codecs?
<billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, marillate sometimes goes down.
<thoreauputic> Absenth: ther's a pun, is there not? As in "absynthe makes the heart grow fonder" ? *g*
<Absenth> thoreauputic, heh.....  there might be..
<New2ubuntu> billytwowilly is there an alternative repository?
<|al3x|> geneo93 : i change my source-list to hoary then run apt-get dist-upgrade ?
<billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, Not that Iknow of.
<calc> |al3x|: apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, yea
<Absenth> thoreauputic, one of these days I'm going to order a $200 bottle of Absinth, and have it shipped to my house to put on a shelf.  I'm not sure I'm brave enough to actually open it, or drink from it.
<pinPoint> help help
<billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, marillat is up right now.. I just did an update from there.
<pinPoint> fglrx wont load
<geneo93> ahh you have to update first
<Roey> crimsun: I read the make-kpkg docs but I don't understand what 'fakeroot' refers to. How do I know which files to put in that fakeroot directory???
<New2ubuntu> ok
<|al3x|> calc : i use ubuntuforum.org as my source list
<New2ubuntu> could you send my the deb address
<pinPoint> x wont start
<New2ubuntu> maybe this blog is wrong
<crimsun> Roey: use fakeroot instead of running it as root or as a user
<geneo93> apt-get update then dist-upgrade
<pinPoint> i have to type startx and thats after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<billytwowilly> Absenth, Absinth isn't that dangerous. Ecstacy is more dangerous than Absinth
<Roey> crimsun: upon boot you mean?
<Roey> crimsun: and that 'fakeroot' is a flag
<crimsun> Roey: nope, when you run make-kpkg
<pinPoint> from "fglrx" to "ati"
<Roey> crimsun: ok.. so it's a flag?
<crimsun> Roey: it's a command
<Roey> crimsun: aaah.
<Absenth> billytwowilly, having never tried anything outside of Smoking Camel Lights, and more then my share of Captain Morgans.
<prince> hey is there a java 1.5 repository for hoary?
<New2ubuntu> billytwowilly could you give me the deb address you are using, mybe the Forum I got mine from is wrong
<Roey> crimsun: so I'd do:  make-kpkg fakeroot --initrd vmlinuz-2.6.11.5
<Roey> yes?
<crimsun> Roey: no, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd ....
<Roey> crimsun: then what about System.map-2.6.11.5 ?
<prince> hey billytwowilly :)
<billytwowilly> Absenth, Yah, smoking tobacco is worse for you than absinth as well.
<Roey> crimsun: ah.
<thoreauputic> Absenth: I believe the French word "absinthe" also means "wormwood"
<billytwowilly> prince, sup?
<andrewski> :q
<calc> most now days don't include wormwood
<andrewski> whoops :P
<|al3x|> price: java respitory? what do you means ?
* prince tries to understand the documentation, and he wants to install the ubuntu java implementation
<crimsun> Roey: I'm fairly certain you want fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd             make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image
<Absenth> billytwowilly, the big question is, does absinthe show up when your employeer throws you into a random drug screening?
<billytwowilly> prince, look on ubuntuforums.org there is a link to a java repository. You're breaking the java licence if you use it though.
<prince> billytwowilly, you never have come by to ge that cpu stuff
<crimsun> Roey: err, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
<Absenth> thoreauputic, That's true,  and Calc, that's also true.
<prince> billytwowilly, why?
<crimsun> Roey: sorry, paste went wonky there
<calc> Absenth: its alcohol so probably
<calc> besides the whole staggering around bit
<Roey> crimsun: ok
<billytwowilly> Absenth, I'm not certain. If they are testing for it then yes it will. The question is how long afterwards. If it is fat soluble (like THC) then a long time afterwards, if it is water soluble (like Cocaine) then not so long afterwards.
<Roey> crimsun: how does make-kpkg know where the System.map file is for the corresponding kernel_image ?
<deang> Sorry but google and my 56k line are failing me. How do I modify the Applications , Computer menus, along with the top level enclosed folders?
<crimsun> Roey: they're named matching the respective uname -r
<Roey> billytwowilly: are there any countries where cannabis is 100% legal?
<Absenth> billytwowilly, all the more reason to leave it on the shelf for conversation, and not open it up.
<Roey> crimsun: aaaah ok.
<billytwowilly> prince, Because the licence says you can only repackage java and distribute it with the permission of sun and sun doesn't usually give that out to individuals.
<Roey> crimsun: hmm, I dunno what the uname -r name of this fresh bzImage is.. how can I find out?
<New2ubuntu> billytwowilly I have copied the exact text of the deb from the Ubuntu guide and it says that ti cannot downlaod the repository index
<calc> Roey: run strings on it
<|al3x|> hey, any body try using kubuntu ?
<caffinated> am, i wonder if theres a way to daemonize xcompmgr so if it dies it automaticly restarts.  kinda like gnome-panel
<crimsun> Roey: look at Makefile's VERSION+PATCHLEVEL+SUBLEVEL+EXTRAVERSION
<billytwowilly> Roey, I don't know..
<billytwowilly> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
<billytwowilly> that's what you should have in your sources.list
<Roey> calc: thoght about that
<Roey> calc:  will do
<billytwowilly> and as for the java dude here it is now that I have my sources.list open:
<billytwowilly> deb ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ binary/
<thoreauputic> Roey: i used to live in Fiji, and there was a scandal about US Peace Corps people smoking cannabis - when it hit the papers, a lot of Indo-Fijian farmers were surprised, as they'd been smoking it in hookahs for years without a clue taht it was "illegal" :)
<billytwowilly> eb-src ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ source/
<calc> Roey: looking at the Makefile should give you the same info like crimsun said but strings will show you what is in the file exactly
<billytwowilly> d in front of that.
<New2ubuntu> thank you Billytwowilly :)
<New2ubuntu> that one worked
<Roey> ok.
<odie5533> What is Apache?
<Absenth> anyone able to tell me how to create a launcher in xfce?
<billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, what was the one in the faq?
<Roey> thoreauputic: interesting.
<Roey> thoreauputic: so is it illegal now?
<|al3x|> odie5533: it's web server
<calc> odie5533: a patchy web server
<Absenth> Apache?  a tribe of indians?  also a web server.
<thoreauputic> Roey: yes, I'd say so :)
<New2ubuntu> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
<New2ubuntu> no
<New2ubuntu> not that
<New2ubuntu> sorry
<Roey> Linux is like a teepee:  it has no "windows", no "gates" and there's an Apache inside
<DoppelGanger> xena a warrior princess also a lesbian show
<New2ubuntu> eb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable
<New2ubuntu> that one
<caffinated> Roey: heh, good one
<Roey> crimsun: that fakeroot command gave this error:
<odie5533> but
<odie5533> Isn't Jakarta by Apache?
<thoreauputic> Roey: it was quite funny at the time - people saying "wtf - my grandfather introduced me to it !"
<Roey> crimsun: Error: unknown target vmlinuz-2.6.11.5
<New2ubuntu> they hsould change the faq to say the one you gave m
<crimsun> Roey: don't pass it that.
<billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, add a main to the end of that and it will work too.
<billytwowilly> or should work.
<Roey> crimsun: that's what strings showed me.
<calc> hmm supposedly apache was always intended to mean the indian tribe
<Roey> crimsun: will look in makefile now.
<odie5533> ASF Apache Software Foundation
* calc thinks that is some revisionist answer
<crimsun> Roey: your uname -r will be "2.6.11.5", yes
<New2ubuntu> ok
<crimsun> Roey: but you don't pass that to make-kpkg
<New2ubuntu> who do you report this too, so they can modify the Faq for better clarity?
<billytwowilly> New2ubuntu, that one might be better to have anyway, newer packages.
<Roey> crimsun: then how does it know which image to generate the rdinit on???
* billytwowilly updates his sources.list.
<billytwowilly> It's a wiki. You should be able to log in somehow and change it yourself.
<crimsun> Roey: when you build a kernel, it uses that one
<Roey> crimsun: how does it know where this newly built kernel image is?
<Absenth> alright I'm out for the night.  See everyone later
<crimsun> Roey: that's what kernel-package does
<Roey> !!!!arg!!!!!!!!1
<crimsun> Roey: if you want to run mkinitrd manually, then don't use make-kpkg
<crimsun> Roey: i.e. for an already-compiled (manually) vmlinuz
<Roey> crimsun: I have no idea how to do this then.  All I want to do is to add a kernel image to grub, and I understand that I need an initrd.img...
<Roey> crimsun: yes, my linux is already compiled.
<crimsun> Roey: you don't necessarily need an initrd if you compiled the root fs in as "y"
<odie5533> How do people normally divide their home directory?
<Roey> crimsun: it's whatever ubuntu's 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic  says
<Roey> crimsun: also I have raid
<Roey> crimsun: / and /boot are on raid.
<geneo93> odie5533:  at set up time
<Roey> crimsun: grub chokes on startup and thinks that it can't open /dev/md2 because it cannot read an ext2 superblock or something
<nis> yo.
<odie5533> Hmm?
<odie5533> I mean divide into folders
<Roey> crimsun: (but I end up mounting /dev/md2 onto /boot manually, and mount is fine with that)
<odie5533> how do people normally divide it up, what folders are usually made
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Your home directory is your personal space.  Use it as it makes most sense to you.
<odie5533> Is there a normal way to use it though?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Nope.
<odie5533> For instance, how do you have it set up?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: LOL!
<odie5533> Windows did all the thinking for you, I kind of miss that :D
<thoreauputic> odie5533: mine just looks like a dump until I get sick of it and do a cp *.txt textdir or something :)
<nis> odie5533: you'll want ~/bin and ~/Mail at least.
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Well, consider your home directory equivalent to My Documents.
* sabmoc clubs DarthFrog over the head with a tuna and drags him to the Candian LoCo team...
<odie5533> I am trying
<odie5533> but then why have the ~/bin?
<geneo93> well i always make a home dir seperate from / so if i have lots of thing in home i can keep them
<odie5533> I have one, Eclipse told me to have on, and thats the only reason
<thoreauputic> odie5533: useful for scripts and things
* DarthFrog slaps sabmoc around with a faintly rancid but rather large trout.
<sabmoc> gah
<thoreauputic> odie5533: you can add it to your PATH
<crimsun> Roey: hmm, it would have been easiest to apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, modify the arches built and the config, and proceed
<odie5533> Is that useful to do?
<odie5533> I had just been using the /usr/bin
<thoreauputic> odie5533: depends how you work
<odie5533> I don't know how I do
<crimsun> Roey: does the default ubuntu image work?
<odie5533> which is why I am open to suggestions
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Think of it this way: you should be able to back up your home directory, re-install the OS, restore your home directory and all your data, mail, etc. is back.
<pinPoint> im stuck getting fglrx working, anyone have time to help?
<thoreauputic> odie5533: no, /usr/bin should not be used - /usr/local/bin is more sensible
<SiRrUs> ( Current Time ) Hour: ( 11:28 PM ) Day: ( Sunday ) Date: ( March 20, 2005 )
<nis> odie5533: /bin/cat ~/.bash_profile
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: I'm in the same boat with you.
* sabmoc laughs at DarthFrog's pathetic tuna, grabs a 30lbs frozen salmon and beats him like a red headed step-child.
<odie5533> why should usr/local/bin be instead?
<thoreauputic> odie5533: /usr/bin is for "official" system-wide binaries
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: my dvd wont play good at all
<odie5533> woops
<pinPoint> lag and no picture
<odie5533> what about lib?
<odie5533> /usr/local/lib?
<thoreauputic> odie5533: /usr/local can be independent of other stuff
<odie5533> I saw the empty dirs and thought this is definately not where I should put my files :D
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Make sure DMA is enabled for the drive.  As root "hdparm -d 1 (DVD drive)"
<pinPoint> does anyone know why  VLC gets audio out of sync
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: it is
<DarthFrog> pinPoint:  Run xine-check.
<odie5533> pinPoint you should be able to set it
<janc> Roey : in several countries using cannabis is not illegal but it's not legal either  ;)
<nis> I like to use /var/local/<hostname> to store large databases.
<odie5533> databases?
<odie5533> hmm?
<janc> like in The Netherlands and (less so) in Belgium
* DarthFrog is watching Jimmy Buffett on DVD right now. :-)
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: xine-check?
<Roey> janc: that's not enough to answer 'no' on government forms that ask if you have ever illegally abused those substances
<pinPoint> does pick up on terminal
<nis> odie5533: photographs downloaded off the web, movies etc.
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Yes.
<odie5533> Ah, why?
<Roey> crimsun: didn't try yet.
<pinPoint> odie5533: set it how?
* sabmoc watches in horror as a 1500 pound halibut falls from the sky and lands on the now unmarked grave of DarthFrog.
<janc> AFAIK it's legal to use it in the Netherlands
<janc> but illegal to sell  it
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: sorry i meant doesnt
<odie5533> why not ~/hostname?
<prince> W: Failed to fetch ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/binary/sun-j2re1.4.2_07-2_i386.deb
<prince>   MD5Sum mismatch
<odie5533> pinPoint: I am not sure, use Xine-UI, it's better ;D
<prince> :/
<Roey> crimsun: I actually built all the modules as per the default ubuntu kernel's /proc/config.gz states (I used that as a base for my .config).  How the heck am I gonna stuff all those modules into mkinitrd.img ;)
<janc> but they don't prosecute selling if you pay taxes  :)
<nis> odie5533: because then I can mount /var/local/<hostname> as a volume, delete it etc and I know I'm only losing/moving 'consumer-oriented' data.
<odie5533> prince: I got that a lot too, make your own JRE's, its easier
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: 1500 lb halibut?  They don't get that big, mon ami.  Yeah, I know, you did it just for the halibut, you had a porpoise but lobster.
<odie5533> mount as a volume?
<visor> anybody has noticed problems downloading files from within mozilla-firefox? (of course in ubuntu)
<odie5533> can you give me an example of what you substitute <hostname> for?
<prince> odie5533, I thought it is friendlier for for ubuntu filetype settings?
<Roey> janc: you close yourself off from govt contracts if you do that.
<Roey> janc: US ones at least.
<nis> odie5533:  mount -t ext2 /dev/hda5 /var/local/mylittlehost
<janc> there is also a law in the making in Belgium that would make 'personal non-disturbing use by adults' legal  :)
<odie5533> Hmm... seems useless?
<nis> odie5533:  echo $HOSTNAME
<odie5533> oh
<janc> but selling & growing it will remain illegal  :P
<thoreauputic> odie5533: not if you want to segregate data
<odie5533> Ah... I love disorganization I suppose
<odie5533> My windows desktop needed a scroll bar :D
<thoreauputic> odie5533: yet another thing in linux that is configurable to personal taste ;)
<janc> Roey : just don't tell them about it  :)
<pinPoint> odie5533: xine-check, no xine-config found
<odie5533> Do you have xine installed?
<nis> odie5533: the whole point is if I need to dump a gigabyte of dull photograph images and movies I never look at, I don't have to sift out from my $HOME directory what can be removed and what is essential.  Large aggregates of consumer-oriented data goes (on my system) under /var/local/<hostname>.
<odie5533> sudo apt-get install xine-ui
<pinPoint> ya
<janc> when I went to NYC almost 15 years ago, they had some stupid immigration form there too
<pinPoint> i did through synaptics
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: What video player are you using?  I use xine.
<pinPoint> xinelib its asking
<odie5533> Try reinstalling it xine-ui
<DarthFrog> odie5533: no, libxine.
<odie5533> libxine1 I think it's called
<janc> 'are you planning or involved in any attacks to the US' --> I'll tell them if I would...  :-P
<odie5533> yes libxine1
<odie5533> sudo apt-get install libxine1
<pinPoint> installing it through synaptics
<pinPoint> done
<odie5533> Synaptic... ah
<pinPoint> is it going to be added in the menu
<pinPoint> under soud and video
* odie5533 gets annoyed at some GUI's, synaptic is one of them
<nis> What is Synaptic anyway?
<pinPoint> ah
<odie5533> No, it might not be
<odie5533> in terminal just time xine then
<pinPoint> after reboot perhaps?
<odie5533> and it will load
<odie5533> no
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Now running xine-check you shouldn't see any Ouch's. :-)
<odie5533> you have to make your own
<pinPoint> ok
<pinPoint> stand by
<odie5533> Right click the panel and click Add to Panel
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, yeah I know, the really really big ones usually only get to 300lbs bigest on record is about 500lbs I think. But didnt you wonder what it was doing falling from the sky?
<odie5533> Call it xine, command: xine
<odie5533> it will make the icon by itself
<DarthFrog> nis: synaptic is a graphical package manager.  Front end to apt-get.
<pinPoint> hint: no xine-config found
<odie5533> Er, Custom Launcher Application it is called
<pinPoint> OUCH!
<odie5533> Did it load though?
<pinPoint> no input plugins
<nis> DarthFrog: thanks.  I use dselect for that.
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: I'm immersed in Monty Python.  I don't wonder about those sort of things any more.
<odie5533> Monty Python... I never liked that... sadly
<pinPoint> odie5533: seems like synaptic is not doing its job
<odie5533> The humor seemed dry, and slightly british
* DarthFrog recoils in horror from nis mentioning the Unmentionable!!  He laughs, and says "Ni" to him. :-0
<odie5533> pinPoint: close Synaptic :D
<pinPoint> since the lib looks installed but xine-check goes haywire
<pinPoint> it is closed
<odie5533> Applications > System Tools > Terminal
<pinPoint> there
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, desensitized to falling halibut? now thats funny stuff...
<thoreauputic> odie5533: *slightly* British? That's a british understatement, I'd say ;)
<odie5533> It is your friend
<pinPoint> sudo apt-get install libexine1
<odie5533> thoreauputic: as it was meant ;D
<odie5533> yes
<ells> tritium: mike what is up man
<pinPoint> nothing
<odie5533> If that doesn't work... try Totem or MPlayer... or even Kaffeine I found was nice too, bit WMP GUI which I didn't like though
<pinPoint> 0 on everything
<odie5533> what is nothing
<odie5533> hmm
<pinPoint> Totem hangs
<odie5533> Ah... hmm
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, like being mostly dead, its a bit of an understatement.
<ells> pinpoint: there are different versions of totem
<odie5533> Are you up-to-date?
<odie5533> sudo apt-get update
<ells> pinpoint: try totem-xine
<odie5533> sudo apt-get upgrade
<CoNnEcT3D> anyone around that mite b able to help me with this error
<calc> totem-xine seems to work better than totem-gstreamer
<ells> calc-I agree
<john> oi all
<CoNnEcT3D> trying to get kcmpureftpd to compile
<odie5533> I use Xine-UI, has major lag, but meh
<john> anybdody here able to get a broadcom wifi in my Dell D600 to work?
<john> everything else works BEAUTIFUL
<calc> broadcom only works with ndiswrapper and only on i386
<odie5533> Totem always got mad at me for things I didn't do =/
<CoNnEcT3D> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss a package named similiar to libstd++-dev.
* sabmoc wanders away to do some paperwork. Damn bureaucrats!!
* thoreauputic waves his magic wand at john's  Dell D600
<calc> they are $*%*% and won't release their drivers, docs or anything else for linux
<odie5533> CoNnEcT3D: always do a search for those lib's
<CoNnEcT3D> ive checked and i swear i have the necesary libs to compile it
<odie5533> try sudo apt-cache search libstd
<odie5533> see what turns up
<Roey> crimsun: ok, this is not working:
<Roey> crimsun: I give this command:
<CoNnEcT3D> i have but
<Brunellus> hey thoreauputic, wave that wand this way and tell me how to make my dockapps load when fluxbox starts
<calc> some people are working on writing a broadcom linux driver but at their current pace it will be a few years until its done
<Brunellus> :P
<CoNnEcT3D> my apt-cache
<Roey> crimsun: mkinitrd inird.img-2.6.11.5 vmlinuz-2.6.11.5
<john> calc, ubunto have a deb package for ndiswrapper?
<calc> john: not sure
<pinPoint> odie5533: upgrade? im using hoary
<CoNnEcT3D> doesnt return that specific lib
<john> thoreauputic, thanks for the magic ;) i think i am going to need it
<odie5533> Me too :D
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: pu them in .xsession with abn & after them?
<CoNnEcT3D> that it asks for
<CoNnEcT3D> = /
<Roey> crimsun: it gives me a help screen.
<Roey> crimsun: blah, that's it.
<pinPoint> why apt-get upgrade?
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: and maybe a -w option
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I don't have an .xsession file
<Fackamato> finished kernel config
<Fackamato> now compiling \o/
<odie5533> pinPoint: highlight me or I'll miss it, sudo apt-get upgrade
<HillTop> thoreauputic,  I gave away 3 ubuntu CD sets today to tech guys at a PC sales/repair place. They were very happy to get them.
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: well, whatever startup method you are using...
<odie5533> pinPoint: It will update your packages, sudo man apt-get
<Brunellus> I'm using gdm
<pinPoint> odie5533: the source seems encrypted
<Roey> crimsun: is there a way to just add a freshly built kernel into the grub chain, without the hassle of mastering the Zen of rdimage?
<odie5533> pinPoint: What source?
<Fackamato> odie5533: sudo isn't required for man ;P
<pinPoint> odie5533: and cant read your DVD
<odie5533> Fackamato: It was for me in some cases
<tritium> hi ells - what's up?
<thoreauputic> HillTop: I gave some to the guys at a local Aplle Centre - theyu weren't quite so happy, nthinks ;)
<thoreauputic> *Apple
<odie5533> pinPoint: What are you talking about, what did you run?
<pinPoint> odie5533: do i need, css somehting
<odie5533> try
<pinPoint> xine
<odie5533> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 i think
<prince> whaqt package is make-jpkg in?
<odie5533> prince: java-package
<pinPoint> odie5533: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
<HillTop> thoreauputic,  Yesterday I had a Kubuntu with me whenI visited them - they made copies right off. Today I gave them the pretty Warty sets. :)
<crimsun> Roey: just configure /boot/grub/menu.lst, then make sure the kernel's in place, then run update-grub
<Brunellus> h'mmm.
<thoreauputic> HillTop: :)
<odie5533> pinPoint: You don't have your sources configured correctly
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Do you have the marilliat repository enabled?  That's where libdvdcss is .
<nis> CoNnEcT3D: try mkdir test ; cd test ; script ; cd /usr/src/path/to/build/dir to make a record of the compilation so you can look at all the errors.
<pinPoint> did update and upgrade
<pinPoint> marilliant?
<odie5533> pinPoint: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<pinPoint> i have no idea
<odie5533> Add as many as you can ;D multiverse, universe, marillat
<DarthFrog> pinPoint:  Follow the URL that odie5533 just gave you.
<odie5533> The Ubuntu wiki is quite the helper
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: You need universe, multiverse and marilliat, at a minimum.
<odie5533> As is the amazing and all-knowing SEARCH button
* DarthFrog thinks odie5533 is feeling the power of the Light Side of The Force. :-)
<john> does ubuntu come with kernel source on cd?
<odie5533> Indeed, I just installed 2 days ago too ;D
<john> i need to compile ndiswrapper against it
<thoreauputic> john, no
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  what init file do I have to edit to make the dockapps load?
<odie5533> And I have switched 2 people to Ubuntu already LOL
<Brunellus> the gdm init file?
<john> thoreauputic, what do i apt-get to get kernel source
<john> i guess i can run my lan cable into this room lol
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: I use ~/.xsession - it depends how you start fluxbox
<odie5533> Whenver I see someone complain about windows, I tell them Ubuntu will fix all the problems ;) it did for me at least
<ells> tritium: sorry, i was checking email, what is up man
<odie5533> speed, stabability, user-friendly, so many helpful people and tutorials galore, etc etc etc...
<thoreauputic> john, sudo apt-get  install linux-source-$(uname -r) I guess
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I have it as an option in my gdm session-types menu
<odie5533> I still laugh at myself for ever using windows...
<Brunellus> do I edit /etc/gdm/Sessions/fluxbox ?
<kevman> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu, and I cannot get it to communicate on my network
<ells> odie5533,  I am there with ya
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: I don't know, since I use a different method, sorry
* odie5533 is glad to have a friend ;D
<ells> odie5533,  Not that I am a linux expert, but this site helps us all
<tritium> ells, not much.  You?
<Brunellus> oh, OK.  thanks anyway
<odie5533> Yes, it does quite a bit
<DarthFrog> ells: That's what Ubuntu is all about.
<oggah> Hi, How do I get Azureus work properly
<ells> tritium: not alot, just getting home
<pinPoint> odie5533: is it a custom add in synaptic
<ells> DarthFrog,  I agree
<odie5533> Also, I tried so many distros, then I finally popped in Ubuntu LiveCD
<odie5533> pinPoint: yes and no
<thoreauputic> Brunellus: I use the deafult "system session" entry and a ~/.xsession file
<odie5533> custom for multiverse and universe normally
<thoreauputic> *default
<ells> tritium: hows the paper ocming
<ells> coming
<tritium> ells, finished it up.
<kevman> Ifconfig reports the eth0 as UP, and my DNS servers are reported, but I have no Internet
<ells> tritium: really, how long is it
<kevman> Any ideas?
<odie5533> You can do either either way though
<oggah> How do I add support for .mp3 with the standard musicplayer comes with Ubuntu.
<tritium> ells, 6 pages in IEEEtran.cls LaTeX format
<Brunellus> thoreauputic:  do I understand correctly that you've set flux as your default wm?
<ells> tritium:okay, sounds like fun, but what did alll that mean
<HillTop> odie5533, when did you become Windows free?  For me it was when I installed Ubuntu this month. Otherwise there seemed to be a few things I needed on the other box. :)
<kevman> No help?
<nis> kevman: what is eth0 connected to?
<Brunellus> but you don't use gdm, though, right.
<odie5533> I am not windows free =/
<tritium> ells, IEEE Transactions (for publication)
<odie5533> nor will I ever be
<ells> tritium: cool, sounds like alot work
<odie5533> Cedega can not emulate my favorite game for the past 2 years, Halo PC =/
<kevman> nis what do you mean? Its connected to the school system
<odie5533> So I keep a dual boot... just for fun
<caffinated> odie5533: cedega is a doorstop
<HillTop> odie5533, So sorry. :/
<kevman> All it normally has to do is DHCP and be on the net
* odie5533 crys all the time now...
<odie5533> Then again
<ells> tritium: I am getting that hard drive on tuesday, can I set it up without reformatting or installing
<nis> kevman: /sbin/ifconfig should tell u your IP adrs.
<caffinated> odie5533: the sad fact of the matter is, linux just isn't that good for games yet
<odie5533> Halo PC was made by MS
<caffinated> odie5533: i doubt that has anything to do with it
<odie5533> So I wouldnt think it would be easy to emulate
<oggah> How do I add support for .mp3 with the standard musicplayer comes with Ubuntu?
<tritium> ells, which one?
<odie5533> So sure? It emulates HL2, which is almost the same as Halo
<ells> tritium; for the desktop
<kevman> nis: Its being reported in base16, which is unusual.
<ells> tritium; the 120 gig
<odie5533> Linux isn't great for games at all... they should make a DX for linux
<odie5533> or the equivelent
<odie5533> Also, what language is... for instance Fire
<nis> kevman: should be a dotted quad, unless you're talking about the MAC adrs.
<odie5533> FireFox or GAIM made in?
<caffinated> odie5533: uh, halo and halflife 2 are *worlds* apart
<pinPoint> DarthFrog: i noticed its ftp location
<caffinated> they don't even use the same engine
<tritium> ells, yes, depending on what you want to do with it
<odie5533> caffinated: no.. both use the same DX version, thats loads close
<pinPoint> those are allowed in /etc/apt/sources.list?
<odie5533> I meant emulating it, not how they were made
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: Which ftp location?
<pinPoint> marrialnt
<kevman> nis: Its not.
<caffinated> odie5533: that doesn't mean anything.  there is more to the translation layer than what version of DX gets used.
<ells> tritium: nice, I was hoping to add it to my total space
<ells> tritium: if need be, I guess I can do that
<odie5533> I haven't looked into it sadly, so you are most likely right
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: :-)  I'm watching a Dire Straits DVD and have lost track of things.
<ells> tritium: what would be the easiest method to set them up
<GhostFreeman> How do I find out what version of Ubuntu I am running
<tritium> ells, you'll have to mount it somewhere
<odie5533> I have no use to, I can't program at all in anything but Java... and even that I am not good at all
<kevman> It says inet6 addr: fe80::250::2cff:fe07:7968/64
<caffinated> odie5533: the point of the matter is, there are *lots* of games that don't work in cedega.  or work badly.
<nis> kevman: I've never seen that. eth0 should have 'inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' as 2nd line.
<DarthFrog> GhostFreeman: cat /etc/issue
<ells> tritium: okay Mike, well, if I reinstall ubuntu it should hook things up for me right
<odie5533> Are games easily made for Linux?
<ells> sort of
<GhostFreeman> thanks
<kevman> Well, it is strange... How can I correct it?
<tritium> ells, heh, again?
<odie5533> how hard is it to make a game? Harder than windows?
<caffinated> odie5533: are games easily made for windows? ;)
<kevman> Not use ipV6?
<tritium> you reinstall every other day ;)
<odie5533> comparatively I meant
<ells> tritium: rather not, ,but just want to do the easiest way with this hard drive
<ells> tritium: can it just be mounted for space
<caffinated> odie5533: sure.  if thought was put in during design time to make a linux port, it's not that hard.
<DarthFrog> There is no significant difference between making games for Windows or Linux, depending upon the graphics libraries used.
<nis> kevman: oh, maybe that's ipv6!  I never seen that.  No clue.
<odie5533> I may end up saying ah well I'll just make my games in java, but c++ is too much faster...
<ells> tritium: formatted in ext3 and then used for programs and files
<tritium> ells, yes, just pick where you want to mount it
<kevman> ...
<caffinated> odie5533: but the fact is, that there is very little profit in making games for linux.
<kevman> Is there any way to revert to ipv4?
<ells> tritium: what would you recommend mike
<odie5533> :(
<arek> 95% of game is graphic art and sound ...
<odie5533> I would buy them!!!
<caffinated> loki proved that when they went belly up, even though their ports were really nice.
<odie5533> arek: 95% is easy stuff to ;)
<tritium> ells, it's a personal preference, really, so I'm no tsure.
<tritium> not sure
<ells> caffinated, they should have been in the pc and linux market
<nis> kevman: first I'd look in the man page for ifconfig to see if you can get that reported normally etc.
<ells> tritium: cool man
<arek> odie5533: no thats the hardest part
<odie5533> I was reading a tutorial on designing 3d game engines, entirely over my head none-the-less quite challenging
<caffinated> ells: yes, but there is no money in porting windows games to windows ;)
<arek> rest is easy
<caffinated> ells: all the games they were doing already had companies selling windows versions.
<odie5533> I disagree... to design a fully 3d game engine requires an amazing amount of math knowledge, that of course I have yet to learn
<ells> caffinated, okay, i get what you were saying
<odie5533> What graphics libs are there for linux?
<Zyan> Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any strange ndiswrapper problems with Hoary. I have to modprobe -r after every reboot to get the card to work
<arek> odie5533: well you got other game engines to take ideas from
<odie5533> No directx I know that
<odie5533> arek: thats called stealing ;D
<arek> thats life
<odie5533> and unless you are called MS, you don't do that
<caffinated> odie5533: depending on license, it could be called contributing
<ells> tritium: mike you ever play UT2004
<tritium> ells, No, I'm not really a gamer
<caffinated> odie5533: MS doesn't steal code.
<nis> Zyan: I'd just write a boot script that does that (modprobe -r) if it works. ;)
<odie5533> Yes they do...
<pinS> odie5533, is this good?
<ells> tritium: I am not really either, ,but the graphics on the laptop are awesome
<odie5533> for instance... java? lol
<arek> there are some engines with open source are they?
<odie5533> pinS: is what good?
<caffinated> odie5533: an implimentation of something doesn't imply code theft.
<pinS> odie5533, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat hoary marillat
<odie5533> arek: I doubt they are commercial
<pinS> deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat hoary marillat
<Zyan> nis: I'd much rather get it working right =( never had to do that before
<Fackamato> quake3 is open source
<Fackamato> have a look at that
<odie5533> no I thought
<odie5533> that marillat used unstable
<caffinated> odie5533: that's like saying openoffice stole from microsoft because it can open word documents.
<odie5533> instead of hoary
<odie5533> open office didn't loose a lawsuit for it though did they?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Ubuntu can use Debian repos.
<caffinated> odie5533: right, because they didn't steal code.  they implimented an idea.
<odie5533> not named incorrectly? I though
<caffinated> odie5533: and microsoft didn't steal code either.
<odie5533> I thought they did, at least a while ago
<odie5533> before I was born
<caffinated> hell, they don't *need* to steal code.  they can outright buy anything they need.
<odie5533> they also steal money... but it isn't illegal how they did it
<odie5533> windows for example, in itself was made from money taken from IBM
<caffinated> odie5533: i think you should spend some time studying the corporate model.
<pinS> odie5533, http://rafb.net/paste/results/SIUA2D86.html
<geneo93> caffinated:  i beg ti differ on that last statement
<ells> tritium: well mike,  gotta go,  I am supposed to be moving the desktop
<odie5533> ms was supposed to make OS2 was it, and used the money for Windows
<caffinated> geneo93: i figured you might :)
<mike_douglas> sound problems with latest hoary. /dev/dsp is busy, yet lsof isn't reporting any processes holding it and there are no sound servers open.
<tritium> ells, have a good night.  I'm going to get to bed early myself. :)
<ells> tritium: later Mike
<nis> Zyan: how about a kernel rebuild and change M to Y for that module?
<odie5533> Wheres is the sources file located for apt-get?
<odie5533> It escapes me at the moment
<pinS> /etc/apt/sources.lisst
<Zyan> nis: that may do it, didn't think about that.
<rempresent> word
<kevman> Well, I used ifconfig to change my Ip version to 4, and it ignored the command
<geneo93> caffinated:  i dont think you were around in the early days
<odie5533> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
<caffinated> geneo93: that's possible, but how far back is "the early days" for you?
<rempresent> question:  i want to enable the windows sharing network that is in the network settings, what packages do i need to download to get that to work?
<caffinated> geneo93: i mean, i started programming on a TI-99/4A
<calc> caffinated: wow you are old :)
<virtuald> caffinated: is that a calculator?
<odie5533> caffinated: I did the same! but on a DOS prompt, then a Ti-83+ ;D
<caffinated> virtuald: no
<calc> virtuald: almost
<virtuald> :P
<calc> ti99/4a was a real computer but was nearly as small as a graphing calculator
<geneo93> i had a trs-80
<virtuald> ok
* odie5533 has an odyssey in his basement
<caffinated> calc: no, it was about the same size as a trash-80
<odie5533> it was a real computer
<odie5533> ;)
<odie5533> good one too, super fast
<KarlosII> :>
<caffinated> i owned 2 of those too
<odie5533> top-of-the-line
<odie5533> Amazingly fast eh?
<odie5533> I couldn't believe the speed
<pinS> odie5533, GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
<caffinated> heh, 'fast' is such a relative term
<calc> caffinated: i must be thinking of one of the other ti99 then
<odie5533> pinS: I don't know what that means, but I got that too
<calc> caffinated: yea the 4a was bigger than i am remembering
<caffinated> calc: yeah, probably.  sec, i'll see if i can find a picture for you
<odie5533> caffinated: quite :D
<nis> kevman: This isn't quite related, but it may put you onto the right idea:  cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
<calc> or maybe i was just thinking of the sinclair, not really sure
<DarthFrog> pinPoint: You can safely ignore that.
<odie5533> then I had a computer, desktop, which loaded DOS in under 10 minutes!!!
<calc> though the ti99/2 was somewhat smaller
<pinPoint> k
<odie5533> I couldn't believe the blazing speed of that baby
<kevman> OK, WTF is a sit0?
<caffinated> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=236
<odie5533> kevman: where do you see it?
<JDahl> around what time was that? I remember getting an Amstrad 464 around 85
<caffinated> there she is, in all her outmoded glory ;)
<odie5533> or is it one of those random messages that just come up 'sit0'
<kevman> Its in ifconfig, along with lo and eth0
<virtuald> ip over ip tunnel
<kevman> Its "Ipv6-in-IPv4"
<kevman> Why would I use that? Can I use just straight ipV4?
<DarthFrog> kevman:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html
<virtuald> if you want a tunnel to the ipv6 internet
<jsgotangco> sit0 is an ipv6 thingie
<DarthFrog> kevman: It's a tunnel.
<calc> caffinated: yea i probably am thinking of the sinclair
<caffinated> ooh, those were nice
<caffinated> the little ones?
<pinS> odie5533, works like a charm but where's my audio
<calc> caffinated: yea
<caffinated> with the touchpad kinda keys?
<pinS> and the video appears interlaced
<calc> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=639
<pinS> can it be deint'ed
<odie5533> Press [ALT]  + [S] 
<odie5533> change as much as you want
<odie5533> set the level to master though
<nis> kevman: I'd trace the entire boot procedure, starting with /etc/inittab
<caffinated> calc: i think i was thinking of a slightly newer model, but i remember those.  they rocked :)
<odie5533> What does deinterlaced mean anyways? :D
<pinS> you dont see motion lines
* sabmoc is away: why cant I just make art for a living?
<pinS> on fast scenes
<odie5533> Is that bad?
* nis goes to make a cup of tea. afk
<pinS> well i do video and i tend to notice that alot
<pinS> lol
<odie5533> I constantly see motion lines, is that really fixable? :D
<pinS> video habit
<odie5533> I noticed skipping... thats what I hate
<pinS> but its cool
<calc> caffinated: its been roughly 16yr since i saw it so i don't really recall what it looked like
<odie5533> it drives me crazy, skipping
<kevman> nis, I'd abandon Linux first.
<odie5533> I actually rebootted to windows to watch a DVD before :D
<pinS> lol
<caffinated> calc: i know the feeling.  i used  lot of different boxes over the years.  i can't even remember the system commands for a lot of them anymore ;)
<odie5533> pinS: so will deinterlacing show or remove motion lines?
<calc> caffinated: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=76 <- that was the first computer i used
<pinS> removes them
<odie5533> pinS: press the letter [
<pinS> its sort like progressiveness
<odie5533> [I] 
<odie5533> it will deinterlace if you press i
<pinS> ah
<caffinated> calc: heh, i kinda skipped the whole atari scene with the exception of the 2600, which can't really be considered a computer in the same respect.
<calc> yea
<Jeezis> when installing files (like games) using 'apt-get install' how do i get shortcuts into the k menu
<DarthFrog> caffinated:  BTW, your nick is misspelled.  It's spelled: caffeine. Your nick should be caffeinated.:-)
<caffinated> DarthFrog: very observant.
<calc> i went from a 400 -> 800xl -> 386sx16
* DarthFrog has more than a bit of the pedant in him. :-)
<caffinated> calc: during that whole time i was on my apple binge.  back when apple made good computers.
<Jeezis> when installing files (like games) using 'apt-get install' how do i get shortcuts into the k menu?
<calc> macs and ibms were a bit expensive back then so we just used the ataris heh
<caffinated> i had a lot of fun with everything pre-mac.  when they dropped support for the ] [gs, i dropped support for apple.
<calc> ah
<poize> what package repos does ubuntul use by default? apt-get.org.... or?
<caffinated> and never went back
<caffinated> too bad, i miss my GS
<DarthFrog> caffinated: I played with a 128k Mac when they first came out.  Seemed like a toy to me.
<calc> i came pretty close to getting a IIgs in 86
<caffinated> DarthFrog: they still are imo ;)
<DarthFrog> caffinated: Not with OS X.  Not anymore.
<calc> i guess it was just too expensive for my parents to afford
<caffinated> DarthFrog: still a toy to me.  an expensive toy.
<odie5533> Does anyone know if there are any "good" 3d games for linux?
<caffinated> my problem isn't really with the hardware though, as much as it is with steve jobs.
<HillTop> calc, My first computer was http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=191&st=1   Commodore Pet.  Actually did useful computations on it back in '77 or so.
<odie5533> or are they non-existant?
<pinS> odie5533, where's the little control bar? i lost it
<odie5533> pinS: [G] 
<calc> odie5533: UT, quake, etc
<DarthFrog> odie5533: as in linux only?
<pinS> what you memorize all
<odie5533> Yes, Linux only
<calc> HillTop: heh thats a bit before my time
<DarthFrog> odie5533: www.tuxgames.org
* calc was born in 76
<caffinated> gltron$#@!
<odie5533> cant find =/
<caffinated> how can you not love gltron? ;)
<HillTop> calc, OK  :)
<poize> what package repos does ubuntul use by default? apt-get.org.... or? <-- ?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Make that: http://www.linuxgames.com/  instead. :-)
<caffinated> woot, it's in the hoary repositories
<kevman> I'm rebooting, lets see what happens
* caffinated installs gltron
<DarthFrog> odie5533: And www.tuxgames.com not .org   My bad.
* kevman grumbles about the 486 laptop he's using right now.
<Fackamato> how do I create my own initrd image?
<caffinated> odie5533: you're going to find rapidly though, that linux games, especially the OSS ones, are 99% crap.
<calc> i would have loved to have had an amiga back when they came out, but they cost even more than the IIgs
<Fackamato> for use with grub and my newly configured kenrel
<DarthFrog> Fackamato:  man mkinitrd
<odie5533> :(
<caffinated> odie5533: unfortunatly, making quality games still kinda revolve around a paycheck
<Jeezis> after install packages using apt-get do you have to reboot before you can use them?
<DarthFrog> Jeezis: No.
<jdub> Jeezis: no
<nis> Jeezis: rarely.
<odie5533> ah I'll stick with runescape ;D 100k players on 24/7 almost
<DarthFrog> Jeezis: The only time you really have to reboot linux is to change either your kernel or your hardware.  And sometimes not even then (PCMCIA). :-)
<Jeezis> ok, thanks...then how do i figure out where the hell they are installed too? :-p
<jdub> Jeezis: what did you install?
<kevman> Or when you go from ipv6 to ipv4
<Jeezis> some games
<nis> Jeezis: which <program>
<Jeezis> nethack, prboom, pingus
<DarthFrog> kevman: Not even then.
<jdub> Jeezis: you should be able to type all of those names in at the command line, and they will work
<regeya> odie5533: some would argue that "good game" and "3d" rarely go together, but that's rare
<Jeezis> ah, ok
<caffinated> oops, xcompmngr doesn't like opengl heh
<kevman> OK, now I don't have an IP at all
<odie5533> I disagree, for me if a game is not 3d or a classic, it is not worth playing
<caffinated> X went down for the count over that
<Jeezis> but lets say i wanted to place shortcuts to them on my desktop?
<kevman> Now what>
<nis> Jeezis: you can look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<program>.list too.
<Jeezis> ah, ok :-p
<jdub> caffinated: COMPOSITE and glx don't work together atm
<daniels> jdub: well, they sort of do on nvidia
<regeya> odie5533: just to throw my own two bits in well after the fact:  at this point, I'd suggest dual-booting windows, or sticking with a game console.  linux just isn't on the radar of most game companies.
<jdub> Jeezis: dpkg -L <package>
<pinS> kevman, is your card active in network-admin
<caffinated> jdub: heh, i think i just figured that out when everything exploded ;)
<jdub> daniels: since a month ago?
<daniels> jdub: since 1.0.6629
<daniels> which is in hoary
<kevman> pinS, yes
<Jeezis> jdub: many thanks
<Fackamato> can I create an initrd for a kernel which is not currently running?
<jdub> daniels: you're going to make me test this, aren't you?
<daniels> jdub: eh, you can if you want.  closed drivers are all the same to me.
<daniels> jdub: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" off the top of my head
<jdub> daniels: aha, extra option :)
<nis> jdub: yours is better. ;)
<caffinated> daniels: i have that, it didn't work very well heh
<jdub> daniels: likelihood of COMPOSITE being useful in general for breezy?
<DarthFrog> Fackamato: Yes.  Read the manpage for mkinitrd.
<daniels> jdub: HA HA
<pinS> i think im going to reboot
<daniels> jdub: breezy+1, probably
<kevman> Dammit
<daniels> jdub: modularisation is more important
<jdub> daniels: yeah
<kevman> How do I force a DHCP request?
<daniels> sudo dhclient interfacename
<bob2> which will fuck up if dhclient is already in the background
<kevman> Why aren't I getting an IP.....?
<linux_galore> downloaded Kubuntu live CD..... loads the kernel then does a hardware detection thing then about 80% of the way through cant find the CD drive
<pinPoint> kevman: that card is set to dhcp right?
<pinPoint> in network-admin
<odie5533> do people still play StarCraft? (linux maybe?)
<kevman> Yes sit
<kevman> sir*
<pinPoint> odie5533: used to, windows 98
<odie5533> ah
<pinPoint> :)
<kevman> There's a Linux Starcraft? Or you talking WINE?
<caffinated> odie5533: it's not really worth playing online anymore - too many people cheat.  but it's still widely played.
<caffinated> kevman: wine will play it
<DarthFrog> kevman: Starcraft runs under wine.
<odie5533> yeah I cheated once, but it didnt matter, I was so horrible I still lost ;D
<pinPoint> odie5533: will xine play xvid's
<geneo93> you want your ip addy
<pinPoint> heh
<linux_galore> wonder if starcraft has been ported to Linux
<odie5533> pinPoint: yes
<DarthFrog> linux_galore: No.
<kevman> Oh, I'd try it, but apt WON'T WORK
<pinPoint> odie5533: drag and drop
<odie5533> ?
<pinPoint> the file into xine
<odie5533> yes
<linux_galore> DarthFrog: let me look on liberated games
<kevman> No DHCP offers recieved
<kevman> Does this work with your everyday DHCP?
<linux_galore> nice list of games that have been liberated and many work native on Linux -> http://www.liberatedgames.com/gamelisting.php
<DarthFrog> kevman: Ubuntu works just fine with DHCP.
<geneo93> yes
<kevman> Eeee! Four distros, four major problems. :-/
<kevman> Linux is not for me.
<linux_galore> kevman: get the comercial version of mandrake or suse...... maybe some of your hardware needs binary only drivers
<kevman> Bwahaha
<kevman> No, and besides KNOPPIX is happy to work with my network
<nis> Seems to me Mac-On-Linux also uses DHCP over a tunnel interface.
<DarthFrog> kevman: Then use Knoppix?
<linux_galore> kevman: knoppix has many none GPL drivers
<Fackamato> that didn't go so well
<Fackamato> said my kernel was an invalid executable format
<Fackamato> :O
<kevman> Well, it hsa other problems.
<linux_galore> Fackamato: heh heh like my boot it said  it cant find the cdrom IDE device...lol it just booted from it
<nis> kevman: Linux wants a bit of massaging.
* nis sprinkles a bit of holy penguin pee on the keyboard
<kevman> Then why bother?
<linux_galore> kevman: even windows doesnt give full support....most people never do a true raw on random hardware install
<nis> kevman: no one knows, but we all do it.
<kevman> Magically, Windows supports all my hardware and my school's fucked up network...
<linux_galore> kevman: yes from an OEM install disk.........thats not a true install thats an image
<nis> so run windows.
<kevman> Lookit that! All of a sudden, I AM
<kevman> I'm sorry, I'm just a little annoyed.
<kevman> And holy shit, its 12:40. time for bed.
<nis> it was the holy penguin pee
<Sarah> hi guys
<DarthFrog> nis: it always is.
<Fackamato> brb rebppt agaom
<nis> or for Art Bell at 0100 ;)
<pinPoint> how do i remove a module from bootup
<pinPoint> fglrx failed mercilessly
* OddAbe19 is back (gone 07:44:24)
<Sarah> my kernel-headers when i got them from synaptic is 2.6.10-5
<Sarah> but my installed kernel is 2.6.10-4
<pinPoint> sound! for my xine!
<Sarah> i can't find a 2.6.10.5 kernel on ubuntus apt
<DarthFrog> Sarah: have you done an update?
<Sarah> i did apt-get upgrade and apt-get upgrade
<Sarah> i mean update
<nis> Sarah: they're probably fine.
<Sarah> i am trying to compile ndiswrapper
<DarthFrog> Sarah: Use Synaptic and search for it.
<DarthFrog> Sarah: You don't have to.  Ndiswrapper is installed.
<Sarah> oh?
<Sarah> i did the ndiswrapper - i (the inf file of my wifi card)
<pinPoint> yeah! it plays xvids too
<Fackamato> same error :/(
<Sarah> it loads fine
<Fackamato> I have no idea what I'm doing wrong
<pinPoint> awesomeness
<pinPoint> my wireless nic works too
<pinPoint> awesomeness!
<Sarah> wlan0 shows up in my network config of available cards
<DarthFrog> pinPoint is a happy camper.
* pinPoint ubuntu rocks!
<_mojo> does ndiswrapper work on USB wireless adapters?
<Sarah> but when i active it ,  it doesn't do anything
<Sarah> i have to plug my ethernet cord in to get online
<DarthFrog> _mojo: It should
<pinPoint> ill stick around to help too. :)
<Sarah> ubuntu does rock! i just miss my wifi :(
<Sarah> ndiswrapper           109044  0
<Sarah> usbcore               107384  4 ndiswrapper,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
<DarthFrog> Sarah: Do you have encryption turned on in the router?
<Sarah> no
<Sarah> its vanilla setup of the router
<Sarah> no WEP or security at all
<_mojo> its too bad wireless isnt supported well under linux.. itd be nice to see the chipset developers opensource some drivers
<Sarah> how cna i see if the network card is even working with the driver?
<DarthFrog> Sarah: And what happens when you issue the command "dhclient wlan0"?
<Sarah> just sits here and does DHCPDISCOVER's
<Sarah> whats all this sit0 weirdness?
<_mojo> does your adapter show activity?
<DarthFrog> _mojo: Wireless is supported quite well under Linux.  However, some of the manufacturers don't provide appropriate information for Linux to support their hardware.  But wireless itself is well supported.
<Sarah> how can i tell if it "shows activity"
<_mojo> link leds.. transmit leds
<Sarah> its an adapter inside my Dell
<Sarah> laptop
<Sarah> no leds
* Sarah pouts
<geneo93> can you ping your router
<geneo93> without the lancable
<Sarah> well i am on eth0 right now
<_mojo> not if theres no dhcp response
<Sarah> my wlan0 doens't get a dhcp response
<Sarah> how can i tell if its talking on my SSID
<_mojo> you could try a tcpdump on the wlan0 interface
<_mojo> doesnt sound like anything is actually going out though
<Zyan> Sarah: does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' show anything?
<Sarah> no scan results
<_mojo> what card is it?
<Sarah> broadcom
<_mojo> model?
<Sarah> its inside my D600
<Sarah> umm
<Zyan> Sarah: ndiswrapper loaded and see card info in dmesg?
<_mojo> oh thats an intel chipset then
<Sarah> BCM4306
<Sarah> mojo, no,  thats the "newer" d600's
<_mojo> oh
<geneo93> thats a lappy right
<Sarah> the older ones have BCM
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<da_bon_bon> wazup ?
<sean_> hi all too
<_mojo> Sarah: have you run through the wiki on http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php
<madstop> Sarah, this page has advice on Dell D600 that might help:
<madstop> http://www.shahidhussain.com/wordpress/index.php?p=30#more-30
<Sarah> madstop, that has the newer intel card
<Sarah> _mojo, just a sec
<_mojo> its got the BCM4306 listed
<Zyan> I'm having a similar problem with ndiswrapper.. I have to modprobe -r ndiswrapper everytime I reboot or do a config change
<Zyan> thats only with Hoary
<nis> anyone happen to know what driver a netgear FA310TX nic uses?
<_mojo> Sarah: they recommend using the dell provided drivers
<Sarah> whats modprobe -r do ?
<madstop> Sarah, it's not this card then?  Intel Wireless 2100 3A
<helio7> to export mp3 from Audacity it's asking for the path to libmp3lame.so but I don't know where it is if I have it... I ran sudo apt-get lame but that didn't install the lib files any thoughts?
<Sarah> madstop, no
<Zyan> Sarah: modprobe -r.. removes the module, I run modprobe ndiswrapper again and it works fine
<Sarah> crap, i think i just messed up something
<Sarah> brb guys gotta kick it
<helio7> what's the command to search apt-get?  sudo apt-get search ?
<jdub> helio7: apt-cache search ...
<_mojo> nis: DEC21x4x tulip
<nis> _mojo: thanks!
* nis dances the happy dance, freed from the 3c503 tyrrany. ;)
<cyklus> I'm using an IBM T40 and having trouble with battery life... ever since i installed Ubuntu my battery is drained extremely fast... anyone have any suggestions of what might be wrong?
* KarlosII growls at apple voraciously for making itunes 4.6 not work with their site, and now the crossover office version which is 4.6 no longers works.
* KarlosII grabs a bat and smashes some apples
* linux_galore has Ubuntu on his ibook......found the battery life was improved
<KarlosII> rotflol
<nis> jdub: That apt-cache is neat.  Never really worked with it before. tnx.
<sean_> i have ubuntu on my AMD64 lappy and battery life is short as well
<cyklus> sean_: its weird wasnt when i had debian... only since i installed ubuntu
<KarlosII> sean_, short?
<sean_> 30 min
<cyklus> KarlosII: as in half normal battery life
<cyklus> yeah
<sean_> if i am lucky, nothing taxing  running
<linux_galore> sounds like the hardisk isnt powering down on some machines
<cyklus> my hardisk is powering down...
<cyklus> as far as i can tell
<sean_> mine too
<linux_galore> to use more power something must be running more
<caffinated> either that or the CPU isn't scaling properly
<cyklus> my cpu is scalling to 600mhz
<cyklus> so that should be working too
<cyklus> 600-1500mhz
<caffinated> or you just have a messed up battery ;)
<linux_galore> yeah I compiled my kernel again too with a few options turned on for power management
<sean_> mine will not scale down
<linux_galore> sean_: compile your own kernel
<sean_> will do
<cyklus> Xorg is what is taking most
<cyklus> and battery is ok.. works fine in windows (which i try never to boot.. heh)
<linux_galore> sean_: read up on your cpu see what the preferred options are in the kernel
<|QuaD-> i found unofficial ubuntu packages at http://schurger.org/debian/ for beagle, anyone tried them?
<linux_galore> yeayh xorg is a cpu hog
* caffinated wonders why everyone starts trying to make apologies or justifications for having windows around
<cyklus> is there any good guide for compiling your own kernel in ubuntu?
<sean_> thanks galore
<gardio1> I find that my mouse sometimes freezes during startup
<gardio1> any ideas?
<sean_> it wants cheese
<linux_galore> http://anarka.org/linux/debian_kernel.html
<sean_> jk
<Roey> crimsun:  hi
<nis> gardio1: disable gdm/xdm/kdm in /etc/rc2.d/
<Roey> crimsun:  it didn't work; I did the following command:  "mkrdinit -o /boot/rdinit.img-2.6.5.11   2.6.5.11; grub-update".  That worked.  When I selected this new kernel from he GRUB menu I get this:
<gardio1> nis: I've got gdm started.  how does disabling gdm help?  I'm happy to do that.
<cyklus> linux_galore: thanks
<nis> gardio1: it's a longshot, but I found xdm had mouse problems one one very old machine.
<gardio1> I've disabled it.  Can you start X before gdm?
<nis> gardio1: if startx works but xdm/kdm/gdm hangs, that's a starting pt
<nis> gardio1: login on the console and then 'startx' or 'startx > logfile 2>&1 &'
<Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
<Roey> that's the error I get.
<Roey> crimsun:  there
<crimsun> Roey: presuming you meant mkinitrd?
<nis> gardio1: you may want to (re)start gpm too.
<nis> (first)
<Roey> right
<Roey> crimsun:  right.
<Roey> crimsun:  mkinitrd, yes.
<Roey> crimsun:  actually, that's what happens normally with grub.
<Roey> crimsun:  the error when I booted my custom kernel is:
* nis notes AM radio band better tonight
<esato> hallo
<Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
<Roey> crimsun:  is that.
<gardio1> nis: I'm going to install gpm.
<esato> how can i get a complete sourcelist of ubuntu?
<crimsun> esato: a what?
<cyklus> i installed a package for debian ignoring dependencies (which it doesnt need) but now everytime i try to apt-get i get dependency errors... how do i remove these dependencies?
<esato> a full version sources.list
<crimsun> esato: do you mean http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ ?
<nis> gardio1: some old HOWTO suggested also reordering /etc/rc2.d/ so that gpm loads before other things competing for interrupts (notably soundblaster cards).
<crimsun> esato: your sources.list already contains "full repositories"
<dizzie> Morning all :)
<linux_galore> just realised no one has done a Ubuntu kernel building howto
<linux_galore> lots of debian stuff
<esato> but i uncomment it ,and i get some time out errors.
<nis> cyklus: you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/status (or available etc) by hand.
<cyklus> linux_galore: what kernel source do i get? doesnt seem to be a unbuntu one?
<cyklus> nis: thanks
<Sarah> it works! :)
<Sarah> thanks guys
<nis> cyklus: welcome.
<Sarah> i am wireless now
<Sarah> :)
<crimsun> esato: what sort of timeouts?
<linux_galore> cyklus: there should be a kernel sources package
<Sarah> Dell had "newer" drivers out on their site
<esato> connection
<Sarah> but i still have to modprobe -r everytime
<crimsun> Roey: have you tried the default array-7 amd64 generic kernel?
<Sarah> why does that happen?
<cyklus> nis: worked like a charm, thanks
<esato> for example,i connect to a url in my sources.list ,and it takes much time in connecting.
<Zyan> sarah: I dunno.. never had to do that before. Only thing I have found that works on Hoary
<nis> cyklus: neat.
<linux_galore> does ubuntu have /etc/modprobe.preload
<cyklus> linux_galore: the newest is 2.6.9, but my kernel is currently 2.9.10
<nis> Sarah: make a boot script to handle that modprobe -r. ;)
<BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth net access? I use it with OS X but don't know how to configure it on Hoary
<jnc> i wish metacity wasn't so retarded
<Sarah> well now that everything works... what should i do now? lol
<jnc> it's the only thing i notice when working on ubuntu desktop
* nis backdoors dpkg regularly. ;)
<linux_galore> cyklus: not good
<crimsun> jnc: hmm? What's broken with it?
<jnc> it's not broken per-say
<maxchee> does anyone know how to edit raw partitions using a hex editing tool?
<Amaranth> ok, no more ubuntu-users list for me
<jnc> there are some features i miss dearly that are in WindowMaker
<cyklus> linux_galore: hmm any suggestions?
<crimsun> Amaranth: the deluge has claimed you, eh/
<Amaranth> those that help people there should be treated like gods
<linux_galore> Sarah: usually I add the driver to  /etc/modprobe.preload
<maxchee> or at least a way to view raw partitions
<linux_galore> cyklus: go to  www.kernel.org  start from scratch
<cyklus> linux_galore: another q.. does ubuntu use a straight debian kernel or? ...the source says its debian patched... is there a ubuntu patched/configured kernel?
<nis> maxchee: what about fdisk expert mode?
<nis> (to view it)
<cyklus> linux_galore: good idea.. where can i get the current ubuntu kernel configuration.. so i can work from that
<crimsun> cyklus: ubuntu's is patched above and beyond debian's
<esato> i got an error again.
<jnc> i would think so, cyklus
<crimsun> cyklus: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
<esato> Connection timed out.
<jnc> my SATA optical burner works with ubuntu kernel
<gardio1> nis: Thanks for the help.  Setting up gpm seemed to do the trick
<cyklus> crimsun: ok so where is the patched source that they use?
<jnc> it does not work with a custom vanilla kernel
<crimsun> cyklus: linux-tree-2.6.10
<gardio1> nis: I have it starting before alsa
<cyklus> crimsun: found it :)
<cyklus> crimsun: aha... so download that.. edit config and compile? ,,,any guide for that yet?>
<nis> gardio1: neat.
<linux_galore> yeah as i was saying there isnt a ubuntu kernel howto so people can build there own kernels and not break things
<Amaranth> jnc: so don't use the vanilla kernel :P
<jnc> :)
<jnc> i got it to read an iso9660 fs once on a debian box
<jnc> more than that, it was not working so well
<crimsun> cyklus: no, in that case you want to sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r) && sudo apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
<jnc> today i used it with ubuntu and burned an iso9660 disc!
<ahijah> ...
<Echylo> yea
<Echylo> ...
<Echylo> want cookie?
<ahijah> yes please
<ahijah> ;P
* Echylo gives cookie to ahijah 
* Amaranth want cookie
* Echylo takes it away before he can even eat it
* Amaranth cookie monster
* ahijah scarfs it down
<cyklus> crimsun: what will that do?
<Echylo> :p
* Echylo throws cookie's all around
<Amaranth> *chomp*
<Amaranth> oh, sorry, that might have been your hand
<Echylo> just a flesh-wound
<Echylo> oh this not #python
<Echylo> :p
<saber> i'm having trouble getting postfix running. does ubuntu do anything to block connections from a machine on a private network?
<saber> (when its it is in the same private network)
<Amaranth> afaik ubuntu only allows connects from localhost
<ahijah> ... ok now for the question i want to ask.... what file to i patch to update drivers?
<crimsun> cyklus: that actually gives you the infrastructure to easily create a customized kernel
<saber> amaranth, how can you change which incoming connections are allowed?
<Amaranth> saber: dunno, i don't touch postfix :P
<cyklus> crimsun: ic... what do i need to do from there to compile and install the kernel?
<crimsun> cyklus: nothing once you've run those commands.
<saber> well, lets consider the case where postfix is not running. how to i open up port X?
<crimsun> cyklus: you can modify the kernel config and run debian/rules
<gardio1> Hey anyone got mplayer firefox plugin to work without shutting of the sound?
<cyklus> crimsun: ic.. thanks
<maxchee> does anyone have experience with wine?
<jdub> saber: see /etc/postfix/master.cf
<Echylo> the only experience I have is typing "wine setup.exe"
<maxchee> does anyone know how to set up a global fake windows drive?
<saber> ok, jdbug
<Echylo> doesn't wine does that auto.
<Echylo> in /home/username/.wine/fake_windows ?
<saber> ah perfect.. i've been digging around main.cf options
<maxchee> Echylo: nope, it's in you directory
<nis> maxchee: sounds like a job for the New York Times /bad joke
<Echylo> glad you putted /bad joke
<Echylo> ;)
<maxchee> Echylo: which means it would be a pain to have multiple users
<Echylo> hmm ok
<maxchee> Echylo, basically, I need to install it in something like /usr
<Echylo> I see
<Echylo> can't help you with that sorry :)
<maxchee> that's alright
<gankzor> ok whenever I try to run any program that requires root it prompts for a password, I put in the root password but it rejects it
<maxchee> gankzor, ubuntu does have root account by default
<maxchee> sorry, it doesn't
<maxchee> gankzor, did you use passwd -s?
<gankzor> I can su in a regular terminal and type in my root password and login to root
<KarlosII> :> applications/system & tools/root terminal works
<KarlosII> :)
<KarlosII> menu
<gankzor> no, no it doesnt that is the problem
<hypa7ia> quick question boys and girls, camorama can see my pwc webcam but gnomemeeting errors on trying to open  /dev/video0 .  any ideas?
<maxchee> gankzor, that graphical prompt is gksudo
<maxchee> gankzor: enter your own passwd
<KarlosII> use menu item /applications/system & tools/root terminal works
<KarlosII> gankzor, :)
<gankzor> that is backasswards, why would it ask for my user acct password to open the root terminal
<maxchee> gankzor: sudo?
<maxchee> gankzor: at least it's safer than a root account
<gankzor> true
<KarlosII> :/
<gankzor> it just threw me off :) thanks for the help
<hypa7ia> gankzor: because otherwise i could walk up to your computer and open a root terminal and leave nasty cron jobs that reboot your machine every hour :-p
<maxchee> gankzor: just use the run as utility/root terminal if you need to run as root
<KarlosII> it threw me for a loop, spent 5 mins figureing out how to access root
<KarlosII> :>
<gankzor> yea thanks maxchee I got it now
<hypa7ia> heheh, i think i was on here when i first ran into it, back in october :-)
<waxhead> hi everyone
<jdub> gankzor: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
<maxchee> does hoary have a boot splash?
<KarlosII> of course
<jdub> gankzor: using a *normal* terminal, type sudo -i
<jdub> maxchee: no
<gankzor> right now I have a 2 headed display set up, is there a multi monitor setting that I can just have my second monitor a blank desktop that I can drag other windows to
<odie5533> I installed kubuntu, anyway to delete all that stuff? Kubuntu = worst mistake
<hypa7ia> maxchee: not as of my last reboot
<waxhead> what's happening with "general" support of webcams for hoary?
<jdub> gankzor: yes, but atm, you need you need to tweak xorg.conf
<maxchee> thx, I thought there was something wrong with my machine. since usplash was so hyped
<maxchee> jdub: is it not planned for hoary?
<hypa7ia> odie5533: use synaptic and do a "complete removal", not sure what the metapackage is called, is it just kde?
<jdub> maxchee: didn't make it
<waxhead> I made the mistake of just buying a logitech camera...
<tabmoW> anyone using the hoary preview ?
<maxchee> tabmoW: yes
<waxhead> any date set for the release of hoary?
<tabmoW> maxchee: how is it?
<fabbione> waxhead: hmmm why?
<hypa7ia> waxhead: there's a new PWC driver in the kernel, it's what i'm working on getting working right now :-)
<maxchee> tabmoW: great!
<odie5533> I did a plain removal, it wont let me do a complete removal now....
<jdub> odie5533: sudo apt-get remove --purge libqt3c102-mt
<waxhead> hypa7ia, is there?
<maxchee> tabmoW: just make sure you can live with no menu editing
<tabmoW> maxchee: cool - downloading the kubuntu hoary preview now ;oP
<jdub> odie5533: read the list to make sure it's not removing stuff you want
<hypa7ia> works /great/ with camorama, but appears that gnomemeeting is kinda broken
<waxhead> I'm still on warty, and just did an upgrade of all packages, the kernel included...
<hypa7ia> waxhead: yup!  have you installed camorama?
<gankzor> jdub what needs to be set differently in xorg.conf?
<odie5533> read what list?
<tabmoW> maxchee: i am going to install it ;oP
<hypa7ia> waxhead: should be there then
<jdub> gankzor: lots of stuff, best to find a guide via google
<waxhead> hypa7ia, no... I'll just do it...
<maxchee> tabmoW: kubuntu is also very nice.
<jdub> odie5533: when you type in that command and press enter, you'll see a list.
<hypa7ia> grr arrgh.  i think gnomemeeting may just not work with my cam at the moment. alas :-/
<odie5533> If there is something I want? :D
<maxchee> tabmoW: although I tried it, I find a fresh install of kubuntu would be less messy
<tabmoW> yer
<odie5533> K3B... only cd burning software I could fine =/
<KarlosII> the best
<maxchee> odie5533: haven't tried gnomebaker?
<waxhead> hypa7ia, I'll have to reboot though... is the module enabled, or will I have to add it to modules.conf?
<odie5533> nope, never heard of it
<jdub> odie5533: that's easy enough to add back (and it'll be in your cache)
<KarlosII> nerolinux is not very good I hear but I have yet to try it to see if the rumours are true
<hypa7ia> waxhead: pwc should load when you plug the cam in
<gankzor> I screwed up xorg earlier so it disable my graphical logon, how do I re enable it?
<maxchee> I am stilling waiting for rhythmbox to adding burning support
<ells> has anyone got dvdshrink to work in wine
<mass> gankzor: how did you disable it?
<hypa7ia> waxhead: does the light go on when you plug it in?
<gankzor> xorg disabled it when I had the settings screwed up
<maxchee> ells: did you use the wine repository?
<gankzor> actually I haven't rebooted since I fixed xorg so it might work
<ells> maxchee, what ya mean
<mass> try (as root) /etc/init.d/gdm restart
<maxchee> ells: go to www.winehq.org
<gankzor> mass: thanks
<ells> maxchee, i cannot get dvdshrink to work properly
<maxchee> ells: that's because you are not using the latest version of wine
<ells> maxchee, okay
<maxchee> ells: which is released very frequently
<ells> maxchee, can you give me the entire source name
<waxhead> hypa7ia, ahh... no /dev/vedeo0
<waxhead> hypa7ia, /dev/video0 even
<waxhead> what abotu getting an ATI card up and running on warty?  any pointers...
<odie5533> What does --purge do, the documentation on it is rather... it makes no sense
<hypa7ia> waxhead: what program is telling you that?
<waxhead> camorama
<hypa7ia> really? weird, yeah, give it a reboot then :-)
<maxchee> ells: deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
<maxchee> ells: deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
<BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth / mac on linux?
<waxhead> hypa7ia, light?
<ells> maxchee, thanks
<ells> maxchee, are you using dvdshrink
<hypa7ia> waxhead: on the cam
<waxhead> hypa7ia, it's a quick cam express....
<KarlosII> odie5533, it purges all configuration files in your home dir for that program
<waxhead> hypa7ia, no light... lsusb sees it though: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:0920 Logitech, Inc.
<maxchee> ells: nope, but wine evolves very quickly
<hypa7ia> oh yeah, might not have one... the record light on my QC for notebooks blinks when i plugit in :-)
<odie5533> if I dont --purge when uninstalling something is that bad?
<maxchee> ells: if it doesn't work. Try vmware
<hypa7ia> folks, should i be filing the pwc gnomemeeting bug on our bugzilla or the gnomemeeting one?
<waxhead> hypa7ia, so I don't have to enable any modules before I reboot
<ells> maxchee, really,
<ells> maxchee, where can one get vmware
<maxchee> ells: you can get a trial version from vmware.com
<odie5533> Can I get a list of removed packages that have not been purged?
<KarlosII> odie5533, nope....just leaves the configuration files there and if you reinstall u don't have to setup again sometimes
<maxchee> ells: it's rather messy though
<ells> maxchee, what all does it do
<odie5533> many packages I didn't purge I will never use again....
<maxchee> ells: allowing you to run windows on linux
<hypa7ia> waxhead: pwc maybe?
<maxchee> ells: at around 80% the speed
<ells> maxchee, okay
<KarlosII> ells, doesn't have directx video support
<hypa7ia> waxhead: not sure tho, i just plug it in and it works :-/
<waxhead> hypa7ia, hahaha... ok then
<waxhead> not the case here... I'll try rebooting and see what happens.
<sabmoc> maxchee, hey, hows it hanging?
<KarlosII> ells, if you need to use windows apps, then use crossover office
<Echylo> gtg school time!
<sabmoc> maxchee, remember me?
<maxchee> jdub: how come switching to the human theme does not switch to the corresponding cursor theme?
<ells> KarlosII this is true, but 1. it wont work in Hoary properly 2. dvdshrink wont work properly, ASPI error or something on the dvd
<maxchee> sabmoc: from yesterday
<maxchee> sabmoc: the wiki?
<sabmoc> yes
<sabmoc> maxchee, use gcursor
<maxchee> sabmoc: I know, but I kind of expected that to be automatic
<sabmoc> they call it 'human' cursor theme but its really just jimmac's cursor theme, I hope someone asked him if its ok to change the name.
<maxchee> sabmoc: Or else they should add a tab to the mosue panel.
<sabmoc> maxchee, yeah well I didnt know about gcursor, i just installed it manually and found out after the fact
<maxchee> sabmoc: I thought it was the official cursor because it was the default one on the warty preview live cd
<sabmoc> maxchee, thats a pretty good idea, I bet thats what is already being planned by the gnome team
<sabmoc> no, its not packaged with xorg
<sabmoc> the glass cursors are packaged, but I dont really like them
<sabmoc> maxchee, did you see the CanadianTeam wiki yet?
<maxchee> sabmoc: actually, I think you can change the cursor theme in the theme config dialogue
<maxchee> sabmoc: address?
<sabmoc> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
<DemisM> can someone give me the ubuntu repositories list?
<sabmoc> maxchee, the config dialogue of what?
<maxchee> sabmoc: System/Pref/Theme, then click on Theme details. I am glad that the gnome team didn't leave this out.
<quar> How can i get hoary to play DVD's what packages do i need?
<maxchee> sabmoc: so no, gcursor is not completely necessary
<bob2> quar: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<bob2> pretty sure that's in the FAQ
<maxchee> sabmoc: btw, very nice page. Hopefully you can get some CAnadian stuff on there.
<hypa7ia> there's a canadian team? sign me up!
<hypa7ia> already ran into someone from the local 2600 crew in here completely randomly :-)
<sabmoc> maxchee, im not sure what you mean, system/pref/theme/details is just for nautilus and other app icons, not xcursor icon.
<sabmoc> hypa7ia, sign yourself up :)
<sabmoc> hypa7ia, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
<quar> whats the full APT line that needs to be added for malliant?
<hypa7ia> methinks i will :-)
<hypa7ia> do you guys need hosting for ubuntu-ca.org?
* Jeezis recommends everyone get blobwars
<Jeezis> apt-get install blobwars
<sabmoc> Jeezis, yeah I got adicted to that for like a month
<maxchee> sabmoc: the .icons folder?
<maxchee> sabmoc: isn't that the cursor folder?
<ells> maxchee, no dice, it still would not work properly
<sabmoc> maxchee, I think thats for desktop icons, does it work for the xcursor as well?
<ells> does anyone know of another way to compress video
<maxchee> sabmoc: well the folder is right
<DemisM> hmm, I have a question if I have debian net-install which is the minimal install and then i have to net install through apt, if I add only the ubuntu repositories will I pretty much have ubuntu?
<maxchee> ells: do you have to use dvdshrink
<ells> maxchee, hopefully not
<hypa7ia> yay i reported a bug :-)
<maxchee> ells: debian-marillat has a lot of dvd backup utililties
<gankzor> I have libmpeg3-1 installed, rhythm box still says it can't decode mp3 files though
<ells> maxchee, I just need a way to shrink down video
<ells> maxchee, yeap, got it, but it wont shrink video
<maxchee> ells: transcoding to xvid?
<ells> could try I suppose
<difeta> is there a gnome UI that lets me change the colors of the currently selected theme?
<sabmoc> maxchee, the folder is right, so you place the xcursor icon in there and it will find it after you edit the default cursor file?
<ells> maxchee, but I wanted to copy a dvd ya know
<New2ubuntu> I can't get tuxracer to work anymore
<New2ubuntu> i downlaoded it
<New2ubuntu> I installed it
<gankzor> what else beside libmpeg3-1 do I need to install to play mp3 files?
<maxchee> ells: I think marillat is just what you need
<New2ubuntu> apt-get install says it is currently in the latest version
<ells> maxchee, how so
<New2ubuntu> but when i run the command tuxracer the thing doesn't open
<maxchee> ells: go to doom9 forum. It will offer some help
<maxchee> ells: libdcss
<hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: try runnign it from the console?  see if you get any error messages
<quar> Can someone give me a full source list for hoary?
<maxchee> ells: also it seems mplayer can actually transcode
<quar> plz
<ells> maxchee, I can decode all day, I need to compress video
<New2ubuntu> will do
<sabmoc> quar, the source.list for apt you mean?
<New2ubuntu> sorry in advance, don't shoot me Tux Racer 0.61 -- a Sunspire Studios Production (http://www.sunspirestudios.com)(c) 1999-2000 Jasmin F. Patry <jfpatry@sunspirestudios.com>
<New2ubuntu> "Tux Racer" is a trademark of Jasmin F. Patry
<New2ubuntu> Tux Racer comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,
<New2ubuntu> and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.
<New2ubuntu> See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for details.
<New2ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
<New2ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
<New2ubuntu> *** tuxracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success)
<New2ubuntu> (#flood is being wierd
<hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: stopstop there's a better way :-)
<quar> sabmoc,
<quar> ya
<hypa7ia> http://www.pastebin.com/
<New2ubuntu> ok
<maxchee> ells: okay it's called mencoder
<maxchee> its usage is described on the mplayer man page
<ells> maxchee, doesnt mencoder come with mplayer automatically
<New2ubuntu> what does all that cra mean?
<sabmoc> quar, join #flood and I will, but for stuff like that go to the website, read some docs
<New2ubuntu> crap*
<maxchee> ells: I believe so
<quar> k im der
<New2ubuntu> Ok I am in #flood as well
<hypa7ia> New2ubuntu: means you need to get accelleration working on your vid card
<ells> maxchee, I wonder if home players can divx dvds
<hypa7ia> what card do you have?
<New2ubuntu> I posted all the errors
<New2ubuntu> ok
<maxchee> ells: they will be
<New2ubuntu> I used synpaptic and got all the Nvidia glx stuff
<New2ubuntu> then I restarded the system
<ells> maxchee, I will have to try that then
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, its not setup right
<maxchee> ells: actually there are already standalone divx player
<gankzor> I have libmpeg3-a installed, why can't I play mp3s?
<odie5533> Is there any ok or good cd burning software that is for gnome?
<New2ubuntu> sabmoc is there an ubuntu specific guide you could point me at?
<maxchee> gankzor: you need gstreamer-mad
<New2ubuntu> I googled it
* odie5533 deleted kde with good reason...
<hypa7ia> off to bed boys and girls, cheers to the canadians in the room (and everyone else too :-) )
<ells> maxchee, well, I dont have one
<New2ubuntu> and i found a some generic poorly written stuff in Linuxquestions.org
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, uh
<ells> maxchee, I will try to get this to work in my sony dvd player
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, you mean you just installed all the nvidia stuff without actually reading a guide?
* odie5533 didnt read the guide
<odie5533> apt-get install nvidiaglx
<New2ubuntu> (looks around feeling like an idiote )  yes...
<odie5533> CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
<maxchee> ells: the best way we have right now is to use s-video output
<odie5533> done
<gankzor> maxchee: gstreamer-mad doesn't show up in my list of packs
<New2ubuntu> sabmoc yeah I did, I feel like a moron, do you know where I could locate this guide you speek of?
<ells> maxchee, if I have to, would rather get it to work the "right way"
<Elysium_> is there a package equivilant to debian MScorefonts for ubuntu?
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, heh, omg
<DemisM> does anyone know what the list of ubuntu repositories are?
<sabmoc> zmog!!
<ells> maxchee, in windows crash x., I have dvd x copy, trying to quit cold turkey
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, one sec dude
<jdub> Elysium_: msttcorefonts, same package, in multiverse
<New2ubuntu> the good news is all of the nvidia files are up to date
<New2ubuntu> the bad news is they are not configured :(
<Elysium_> jdub, thank you .. I haven't added multiverse yet
<Elysium_> jdub, is it wise to do so?? are multiverse packages trustworthy?
<quar> anyone know how to enable dma on a dvd rw drive in ubuntu>
<quar> ?
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
<jdub> Elysium_: they're roughly equivalent to contrib/non-free in debian
<janc> multiverse is 'not supported' like universe, only not 100% free software
<waxhead> re
<quar> My dvd is all jumpy! why?
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, thats for warty, but works fine for hoary
<DemisM> I deleted the repositories list, can someone open there /etc/apt/sources.list and copy paste it to me in a pv msg or here?
<Elysium_> excellent .. thanks
<New2ubuntu> Found it
<New2ubuntu> thanks :):)
<New2ubuntu> Just did it
<New2ubuntu> have to restart X
<New2ubuntu> brb
* msh_ is away: sleep/school/work/sleep
<janc> quar : you mean your DVD jumps around in your room?  ;)
<janc> (or: tell the the channe lwhat's really going wrong...)
<sabmoc> quar, thats what you get for pooring coffee in your dvd-player
<sabmoc> gah s/pooring/pouring/;
<sabmoc> gah!
<sabmoc> hmmm phantompepsi
<New2ubuntu> this is getting absurd
<New2ubuntu> it worked
<New2ubuntu> but now
<New2ubuntu> when I type tuxracer I get bash: taxracer: command not found
<New2ubuntu> which is stupid because apt-get says it already the latest version
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, its not taxracer
<thoreauputic> umm... was that a typo
<New2ubuntu> tuxracer doesn't work either
<New2ubuntu> sorry
* sabmoc copyrights the name taxracer
<kinema> is there a way to install hoary on a computer that is not capable of booting from a CD?
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: what does the command  ` which tuxracer ` return?
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, your going to make me install tuxracer arent you?
<New2ubuntu> it worked
<New2ubuntu> tuxracer worked when I used the terminal
<quar> I think i need to enable DMA on my dvd-rw drive? anyone know how?
<DemisM> does ubuntu have a net install through floppy?
<New2ubuntu> but NOT in Konsole
<New2ubuntu> wierd
<New2ubuntu> I am not joking
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, run glxgears from a gnome-terminal
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: you mean you tried to start it in a tty ?
<New2ubuntu> I am KDE
<New2ubuntu> and it worked
<New2ubuntu> I have tuxracer now
<rapha> Hi all
<kinema> quar:  take a look at hdparm
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, then run glxgears from konsole, same thing
<quar> ?
<quar> kinema, ???
<rapha> I've a strange behaviour in Hoary, which I didn't have in Warty and I think it might be a bug.
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: your description of what actually happened is unclear...
<janc> *fuck*
<janc> monodevelop is useless  :-(
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, do you really want to know?
<kinema> quar: hdparm is the program used to set DMA and other modes
<rapha> janc: How so?
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: heh  - no I guess not ;)
<sabmoc> kinema, dont! quar dont listen
<New2ubuntu> thoreauputic  Simple, I typed Tuxracer into root konsole
<New2ubuntu> and it said command not found
* quar is confused
<kinema> quar: read http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html
<New2ubuntu> I then when into run command
<janc> rapha : crashes all the time  :-(
<New2ubuntu> and typed tuxracer
<quar> thx
<New2ubuntu> and it worked
<New2ubuntu> thats all I know
<sabmoc> kinema, you dont ever need to fool around with hdparm
<Maz> hi
<New2ubuntu> but I have created a desktop link and it works
<rapha> janc: Did you try installing Foresight Linux? Doesn't crash for me there.
<New2ubuntu> that is what matters to me:)
<New2ubuntu> Thanks for all the help getting the graphics drivers installed though
<New2ubuntu> you guys are great :)
<Maz> I am trying to change to a directory that has space on it, i.e. cd test 1
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: you should never use the "root console" to run graphical applications
<Maz> how do i do that?
<sabmoc> kinema, thats basically just for tweak freaks who dont know better. I dont care what that document says.
<rapha> About that bug... Warty and Hoary both detect my soundcard correctly (snd-via82cxx), but under Hoary the speakers remain silent. YES, the mixer IS unmuted and turned up.
<kinema> is there any way to start a hoary install using a floppy?  one of my computers won't boot from a CD.
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: but I think you might have misunderstood...
<janc> rapha : this is #ubuntu, so I use Ubuntu...
<sabmoc> kinema, did you check your bios?
<rapha> janc: Sorry. Just a suggestion.
<New2ubuntu> I will make sure I remember that
<New2ubuntu> I will just use the run command for Graphical applications
<rapha> janc: More meant for you to try out wether the problem is in the .deb
<Maz> kinama: Check your boot sequence/priorities under bios
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: using a non-root terminal is fine
<kinema> sabmoc: yes.  the drives are attached to a PCI addon card and the bios refues to boot off it
<janc> rapha : I just had to do some C# programming
<New2ubuntu> ok
<rapha> janc: kay
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: I don't think you are quite clear on what "root console" means ..?
<janc> I've used SharpDevelop on WIndows before
<New2ubuntu> its the console that lets me do what the other console denies permsission too right?
<sabmoc> kinema, ok, well Im not sure about ubuntu have a floppy install, but I know debian does and I think there is a guide somewhere on the wiki for using the debian installer to install ubuntu, I could be wrong and I've never had to do it.
<janc> which seems t obe a lot more mature...
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: right
<New2ubuntu> so I should only use it when I have to?
<kinema> sabmoc: thanks.  i'll take alook
<sabmoc> kinema, np
<rapha> New2ubuntu: Problem is, it gives you LOTS of power
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: and that privileged terminal should only be used for administration - not games or ordinary apps
<New2ubuntu> ok
<rapha> janc: Well, MonoDevelop inherited from SharpDevelop, but is a lot younger
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, omg, he was using a root terminal for launching games??
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: else you risk breaking things at best
<rapha> janc: Actually, what version do you have and when does it crash? Maybe I can try to reproduce it on my Foresight installation
<janc> rapha : obviously...  :-/
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: yep, but it didb't work of course
<sabmoc> janc I know a lot of work has gone into MD but to be honest, I didnt find it so usable myself.
<rapha> Isn't there somebody who has a clue to that sound problem?
<New2ubuntu> gotcha, I will make sure not to use it for anything but administration
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, no of course not, but if he loged in to a regular terminal and 'su' it would work. Lets not tell him.
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: :)
<sabmoc> janc I prefer emacs for serious programming
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: let's not indeed :)
<New2ubuntu> its just a different experience, i am not used to leveled security within a session
<janc> rapha : hoary seems to have a v0.5.1-3
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: that's OK - we're here to warn you and help :)
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, you mean your not used to any security at all within a session :)
<New2ubuntu> I am used to logging in as admin
<sabmoc> s/your/you're/;
<New2ubuntu> or as user
<thoreauputic> New2ubuntu: windows basically runs as root all the time - which is one reason it's so braindead
<New2ubuntu> indeed
<Aircobra> good morning
<New2ubuntu> now I am going ot see how good these Nvidia drivers I just installed are
<thoreauputic> also why it's so trivially easy to write viruses for, partly (lots of other reasons)
<New2ubuntu> time to download ut2k4 demo :)
<linux_galore> New2ubuntu: having a single point admin system in itself is a security problem.....single point hack
<janc> sabmoc : I can always use SciTE or something (which I use on Windows a lot), but it's more about the project management & stuff
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, run `glxgears` from a regular terminal it will tell you how well they perform, sortof
<rapha> janc: I got 0.5, so it is even a little bit older. When does it crash for you?
<sabmoc> janc, ah yes, well for that type stuff use the kde ide
<sabmoc> janc, its actually very very advanced and goodness :)
* sabmoc doenst like many kde apps
<janc> sabmoc : eh, kde? :-P
<sabmoc> janc, kdevelop is good
<janc> I saw the kdevelop talk @ fosdem, which looked very cool, except for the KDE/qt part  ;)
<visor> anyone has tried a USB CD-RW with luck in linux? planning to buy one of those but i would like to hear if they really work out of the box (as usb sticks does)
<ah`kin> is it ubuntu linux also use apt ?
<sabmoc> janc, if I had a "Top 3 KDE Apps List", kdevelop would be second, amarok first, and third would still be empty.
<sabmoc> visor, yes they work fine
<janc> sabmoc : kdevelop would be maybe first for me   :-/
<sabmoc> wait
<sabmoc> k3b
<linux_galore> sabmoc:  scribus/inkscape/k3b/dvdauthor
<sabmoc> ok, I officially have 3 KDE apps I will use
<janc> even if I only did look at it briefly
<sabmoc> linux_galore, inkscape is not kde, and neither is scribus
<sabmoc> scribus is qt
<janc> inkscape is gtk
<visor> sabmoc: oh great thanks, im assumming all usb cdwriters use a standard interface, more like pen drives and so, so does it matter wich brand i use or would you recommend me some unit in special?
<linux_galore> sabmoc: they both use qt but yes dont need kde
<sabmoc> linux_galore, inkscape uses kde? I dont think so.
<sabmoc> err s/kde/qt/
<thoreauputic> kworldclock! *grin*
<sabmoc> egad!
<thoreauputic> heheh
<visor> inkscape uses GTK2 to be concise :) and scribus uses standard QT not KDELibs (kde libs deppend uppon QT)
* sabmoc stuffs thoreauputic into a grain elevator and blows it up
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: that's imaginative :)
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, be thankful there was no flying halibut
* thoreauputic enjoys the corn while he can...
<sabmoc> visor, yes
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: Oh - I forgot kteatime!! What an omission !
<sabmoc> k3b, kdevelop, amarok ..the only reason for installing kdelibs at all!!
* sabmoc starts a flame war
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, whats next? keggtimer?
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: nah, I wrote my own ;)
<New2ubuntu> wow
<New2ubuntu> celestia kicks ass
<janc> rapha : it crashes (a.o.) when I hover over & click on the tabs for the differend editor/help windows
<janc> that's _very_ annoying...  :)
<sabmoc> New2ubuntu, did you run glxgears like I told you to do about a million times?
<Elysium_> sabmoc, with gnomebaker, why evenworry about k3b
<sabmoc> Elysium_, havent tried it
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: perhaps he (very sensibly) doesn't care about how many fps he gets :)
<thoreauputic> gnomebaker is nice, indeed
<sabmoc> Elysium_, but thanks for the tip, ill take a look
<Elysium_> sabmoc, it doesn't have all the features of k3b but I just thought if you are installing kde libs for just one app
<sabmoc> Elysium_, no, three apps
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/     << gnomebaker
<sabmoc> Elysium_, is it in apt?
<Elysium_> get the packages from thoreauputics link
<waxhead> anyone got a ATI mobility setup working in warty?
* sabmoc looks at thoreauputic suspiciously .. are you reading my mind?
<New2ubuntu> sabmoc
<New2ubuntu> I am kde
<membreya> what's the easiest way to find out the version of nvidia that I'm running?
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: yes, and I must say I'm bored ;)
<New2ubuntu> and they are runnin in th corner
<Elysium_> waxhead, I can't get fglrx to work with hoarty..
<New2ubuntu> and they are running very very fast
<sabmoc> ding!
<Elysium_> waxhead, not that was much of a help :)
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: is this all you think about ?
<sabmoc> oh you must have shifted down to my primordeal cerebelum.. the pleasure center
<insidious> hey guys
<BasL> membreya,   cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
<sabmoc> thats all THAT part thinks about
<insidious> and gals
<membreya> ta BasL :)
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, do I need to add 'hoary multiverse' or anything to the end of the url?
* membreya sighs
* sabmoc poors membreya an irish coffee
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: it isn't a repository
<membreya> done EVERYTHING to try and get my nvidia working properly..yet I still only get 450 - 500 fps on glxgears
<Elysium_> it's just a deb package
<membreya> ANOTHER day without updates.. I'm starting to feel abandoned
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: just dig into the directories
* linux_galore back
<navashi> ah that is much better
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, thanks
<linux_galore> just had a though a good kde app thats matured well is kmyfirewall http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=10073&file1=10073-1.png&file2=10073-2.png&file3=10073-3.png&name=KMyFirewall
<cusco> hi ya
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: and didn't your mother/priest/father warn you you'd go blind? here's the evidence!
<cusco> I don't have yet a ssh server install... I was wondering which one should I install...
<membreya> what's that linux_galore ..kyfirewall ? :P
<sabmoc> ouch
<gankzor> anyone know how I can setup a second monitor that I can drag windows to, without using xinerama?
<New2ubuntu> got to run
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: :)
<cusco> and if is possible to bind it to serve on port 25 instead of 22
<linux_galore> well kmyfirewall tried to figure out what distro its on before it sets up the firewall
<linux_galore> tried
<linux_galore> tries*
<linux_galore> grr
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, this the one? gnomebaker_0.3-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
<nvashi> cuso: you left b4 I found the thing about your wifi .. but I guess you solved it
<Elysium_> saber, yes
<Elysium_> sabmoc, yes
<waxhead> Elysium_, that's ok... got to ask..
<sabmoc> Elysium_, haha
<linux_galore> kmyfirewall is like firestarter on steroids
<cusco> nvashi: well... Im not sure.. internet looks stable now but some times it falls
<BasL> membreya, did you look at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/ ?
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: make sure you get the hoary/warty version as applicable, of course - i guess the latest one
<linux_galore> although personally I use shorewall
<Elysium_> waxhead, ??? :(
<cusco> I used ndiswrapper...
<nvashi> cusco: you can forward the port to 25 if you want .. but why would you
<membreya> BasL: lol yes :P
<membreya> BasL: plus I'm running 2.6.11-1 :)
<cusco> nvashi: is one of the few ports open in school
<cusco> so I can access my machine
<membreya> if you want to see what I've done, check out the email achive...
<cusco> hehe
<cusco> nvashi: how do I do it?
<cusco> and which ssh server do I install?
<Elysium_> ssh
<cusco> open-ssh server
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, yep yep
<membreya> BasL: just finished up a thread 20 responses long trying to get it to work properly
<membreya> the nvidia driver works, just slow as shit
<cusco> webmin sshd
<nvashi> cusco:but the thing is do you have access to the forewall/router
<cusco> ssh-krb5
<cusco> oh nvashi but that I can do..
<cusco> actualli is done
<cusco> bit normaly I listen on port 22
<cusco> instead of 25
<cusco> for ssh
<blahrus> when is the issue going to be fixed with gstreamer mad/ffmpeg
<nvashi> if you do then just open the right port .. saves all the hassle of ssh clients trying to switch to 25 [although it can be done .. but again why] 
<sabmoc> thoreauputic, Elysium_ looks pretty good
<jdub> blahrus: which issue?
<BasL> membreya, the 2.6.11 kernel doesn't have a restricted-modules package, at least i don't see it here.
<cusco> nvashi: but I would like to connect rough port 25 (in college I cannot go out trough 22)
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: it seems to Just Work (tm)
<blahrus> jdub: sync
<blahrus> jdub: lag
* sabmoc copyrights the name thoreauputic 
<membreya> BasL: that's right, I had to download it and install it myself
<Elysium_> sabmoc, it's only .3
<cusco> can you tell me how do I make the sshd server listen on 25 instead of 22 or both of them?
<jdub> blahrus: there are some architectural problems with the current stable branch of gstreamer, hopefully they'll be dealt with in 0.9/1.0
<thoreauputic> sabmoc: well, as long as you don't patent it - there's prior art :)
<sabmoc> I thought patents were inventions
<Dillweed> cusco: i believe you can chagne the settings in the sshd_config file
<blahrus> jdub: yea I wasn't blaming ubuntu at all, I know its a gstreamer issue. they are getting sooo close . . . .
* thoreauputic sues sabmoc for appropriation of intelectual property
<odie5533> Is there a good CD Burner for Ubuntu?
<Dillweed> cusco: that file should be located in the /etc/sshd/ folder
<thoreauputic> and goes to school to learn typing...
<Dillweed> cusco: then restart the sshd server
<membreya> thoreauputic: I still fail to see how an idea can be patented..it's an idea :|
<membreya> it's like patenting breathing
* sabmoc counter-sues thoreauputic for breach of .. cheese.
<thoreauputic> membreya: I agree - notice the large lmp in my cheek :)
<cusco> Dillweed: but I haven't install a sshd server yet... which one should I install?
<blahrus> odie5533: use graveman
<cusco> webmin-sshd
<membreya> thoreauputic: I thought that was just grime :\
<cusco> ssh-krb5
<cusco> openssh-server
<jdub> cusco: openssh-server
<cusco> ok
<Dillweed> cusco: you need the server.  The webmin-sshd is the frontend.  I'm not sure in ubuntu which to install.  but it looks like jdub has the answer
* thoreauputic insists on a delay for discovery and wants all chees delivered digitally
<nvashi> Cusco: opennssh-server is the one everyone one else is copying
<cusco> well
<thoreauputic> membreya: mostly hair in fact
<cusco> ok
<membreya> unkempt :P honestly thoreauputic :)
<nvashi> cusco:and it is an outgrowth of the openbsd project
<cusco> ok..
<waxhead> Elysium_, oh.. about the ATI setup... I'm playing around with other stuff... took a while to see your reply
<cusco> yeah I see the port in the config file
<cusco> the thing is... it is comented
<cusco> should I uncoment it?
<nvashi> yes or it will us default
<nvashi> us -> use
<nvashi> now let us just hope your school has a lazy network admin
<nvashi> and no email server
<cusco> actually looks like I changed the ssh client default port
<odie5533> Is there a hotkey to switch workspaces?
<jdub> odie5533: ctrl-alt-<cursor-key>
<odie5533> Elysium_:  You live right near me!
<odie5533> can you give me an example of cursor-key?
<cusco> oh yes.. but Ive chaged it
<nvashi> cusco you are in the sshd config file rifgt
<janc> odie5533 : arrow left, arrow right ,
<janc> ?
<janc>   :-)
<odie5533> ah handy
<cusco> for get it
<cusco> I was in the wrong file
<cusco> heh
<nvashi> thought so
<cusco> thats why it tas all commented
<waxhead> so how does one manage the modules.conf these days?
<membreya> waxhead: sudo nano /etc/modules ?
<cusco> nvashi: please... could you try to ssh to my ip in port 25? lol
<waxhead> membreya, nano?
<thoreauputic> waxhead: one does modprobe, then one puts the name of the module in /etc/modules
<nvashi> that would be a good way to lose my gov't job
<waxhead> thoreauputic, thanks..
<membreya> waxhead: nano = text editor..like vi ..but for dummies like me :)
<DeadZed> Cannot mount iso image .. not sure if it is iso image. How do I find out?
<thoreauputic> DeadZed:  file <name of file>
<waxhead> membreya, oh.. I prefer vim anyway .. thanks
<waxhead> is the pwc module in warty or hoary?
<cusco> oh sory nvashi ... I din't meatn anything like that
<nvashi> but will try to hit you
<membreya> file
<membreya> damn you
<membreya> I'm working off 3 hours sleep here
<sabmoc> membreya, welcome to my world
<cusco> brb
<nvashi> I know but schools and gov't agencies don't think to kindly topersonel hitting their systems unauthorized
<sabmoc> I invented 3 hours sleep.
<sabmoc> patent pending
<drspin> sabmoc: I believe M$ Corp. Has already patented that ;)
<DeadZed> thoreauputic it says ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data but doesnt mount
<sabmoc> drspin, I invented M$ Corp.
<nvashi> sabmoc: I belive drspin is coorect we go 3 days without it sometimes
<thoreauputic> DeadZed: that isn't surprising
<DeadZed> hah
<thoreauputic> DeadZed: if you want to mount an iso you need to use loop
<esher> my cdrw is messed up during burning, how can i "reset" this drive ?
<visor> speaking of cd's do you know why the eject button doesnt work (even when eject package is installed) in hoary?
<thoreauputic> mount -o loop file.iso
<membreya> visor: umount the drive
<drspin> DeadZed: you may need to # sudo modprobe loop
<DeadZed> I used mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r
<nvashi> but M$ Corp has nothing on USMC
<drspin> DeadZed: I do at least on my Warty system
<thoreauputic> DeadZed: you also need to modprobe `loop`  ( it's a module)
<visor> membreya: isnt eject suppossed to do that automagically?
<drspin> totem sucks
<membreya> nfi
<thoreauputic> drspin: oops didn't see your posts - sorry
<membreya> DeadZed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofilewithoutburning
<drspin> thoreauputic: no worries -- reinforcement :)
<visor> membreya: in mdk it does eject without unmounting, i read somewhere that the hal provided with ubuntu is not the vanilla (the original source) so that maybe doing something
<DeadZed> nope .. doesnt mount .. what if its not an iso image
<DeadZed> aah no file told me it was
<DeadZed> if its correct
<membreya> file's never wrong :)
<DeadZed> u sure?
<DeadZed> I ll try
<membreya> god is infalable and ms rules
<jnc> i read that "god is inflatable and floats"
<sabmoc> me2
<jnc> it must be that time where i am tired
<nvashi> hey do one of you have the link to the wiki page for the extra repositories page that lists them all I lost it and I want to set up my mom's PC so de can use ogle
* Amaranth heads for bed
<membreya> nvashi: www.ubuntuguide.org
<nvashi> membreya: thanks
* membreya nods
<nvashi> she loved the way it plays on mine
<cusco> back
<nvashi> may make her intoa linux user yet
<rapha> janc: Sorry for the long reply time. Doesn't crash here when switching tabs.
<sabmoc> night folks
<cusco> nvashi: actually I dind't foward the port
<cusco> I did now
<cusco> can you get to me on 25?
<waxhead> does anyone have a /dev/video?
<janc> rapha : it doesn't always crash, seems to have something to do with the help tabs
<tezza> what's the latest hoary kernel?
<tezza> Linux laptop 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Mar 15 14:43:37 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
* thoreauputic plays some music with mpg321 just because it's possible...
<ells> anyone ever use acidrip
<membreya> used acid ... :P
<CHS> hi - does anybody know why hoary doesn't support the vga connector of the x40?
<ells> membreya: you used acidrip before?
<membreya> no ells :P was being a smart a$$
<cusco> looks like my connection is not yet good navashi
<cusco> it just keeps on going down :8
* thoreauputic is blissfully ignorant of both the x40 and the vga connector
<cusco> anyway can you get to me on port 25?
<cusco> or can anybody ssh me on port 25 ?
<drspin> how do I mount my USB drive so that I can read and write from it?
<dwa_> drspin : doesn't just inserting it do the trick?
<drspin> dwa_: no --
<dwa_> drspin : try mount /dev/sda1
<drspin> the automount script doesn't try NTFS --
<dwa_> an ntfs usb drive? why?
<drspin> dwa_: it's my friends
<thoreauputic> almost certainly not ntfs - aren't they FAT or something like that?
<saber> ugh!! i can't believe parted does not support reiserfs. now i need to do create some funkadelic symbolic links
<drspin> thoreauputic: It's NTFS -- sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/data     <<==  works
<drspin> thoreauputic: but I have to be root -- how do I make the automount script try NTFS as well as all the others?
<thoreauputic> OK - but ntfs is read-only anyway in linux, no?
<drspin> thoreauputic: yes read only but I at least want to be able to read it -- and I can't if I mount it manually -- only root can
<dwa_> why don't you make a fat partition on it?
<drspin> dwa_: because it's not mine --
<thoreauputic> hmm - I don't know: I haven't used usb drives myself
<drspin> RESTATE: how do I mount a drive so that I can read and write to it without having to be root and without adding it to FSTAB
<drspin> ?
<dwa_> drspin: dunno
<drspin> :)
<drspin> thanks
* thoreauputic echos dwa_
<onkarshinde> drspin: for mounting you have to be root. Otherwise you have to add it to fstab.
<cusco> actgually my ssh server isn't running at all
<cusco> how can i start it?
<drspin> onkarshinde: thanks for the tip --
<navashi> what about hotplug and automount
<thoreauputic> /etc/init.d/ssh restart
<drspin> what script is run when a USB Mass Storage device is detected??
<onkarshinde> drspin: Are you looking for info on user mask?
<garrut> drspin: can't you format it so it's not ntfs?
<membreya> cusco: I can't even telnet to you :|
<thoreauputic> umm - I think it contains data, garrut
<navashi> cuso : I forgot to say that I could not reach you as well
<drspin> formatting isn't an option :: 1) it's not mine -- 2) where am I going to put 140Gb of data just to change the type of partition ??
<papsmear> cd
<navashi> cusco: I can't reach you as well
<papsmear> dvd
<papsmear> new hard drive
<drspin> onkarshinde: no not umask= :: what script is run when I insert my USB device?? I'll modify it to check for NTFS as well
<navashi> drspin: what is the reason for the data
<cusco> navashi: I cannot reach my self :(
<garrut> oh so it's a usb hdd
<cusco> now I have to go
<onkarshinde> drspin: Since I just entered channel, can you explain your problem?
<membreya> lol cusco
<cusco> Ill be back later
<DeadZed> how to install rpm package?
<garrut> kofje time!
<membreya> DeadZed: alien them
<dwa_> yeah garrut !
<TongMaster> is there a recommended kernel package for transmeta chips?
<thoreauputic> drspin: someone in #ubuntu-devel might know
<DeadZed> alien them?
<DeadZed> how do I install rpm package?
<thoreauputic> DeadZed: sudo apt-get install alien
<DeadZed> and then path
<DeadZed> ?
<thoreauputic> DeadZed: are you *sure* you can't get  a deb?
<DeadZed> yap
<DeadZed> 100%
<drspin> I have a 140Gb USB drive that is full of data on an NTFS partition -- it's not mine -- the automount script for a USB drive doesn't check for an NTFS partition -- so it doesn't automount -- If I mount it manually (sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/data) I can't read from it unless I'm root
<membreya> DeadZed: can you compile source from the repo's?
<thoreauputic> DeadZed: what is this mysterious creature?
<DeadZed> its win4lin
<DeadZed> pro
<thoreauputic> ah
<navashi> drspin: and isf it was on another machine I would do it with samba or nfs/nis
* thoreauputic finds it interesting that they assume a pro would use RPM 
<navashi> hehe
<thoreauputic> whereas all the evidence tends to suggest they'd probably prefer not to have to...
<DeadZed> thoreauputic I know win4lin deb have existed but cant find one
<membreya> haven't you heard thoreauputic ...RPM's are the way of the future :P
* DeadZed is NOT a supporter of rpms
<thoreauputic> membreya: you could get a job with DeadRat!!
* drspin is a supporter of alien ;)
<membreya> nice play on words thor :P
<onkarshinde> drspin: Well I have partial solution. Add option umask=0222 to your mount command. You can check manpage for verification.
<thoreauputic> In Soviet Russia, the aliens support *you* !
<navashi> drspin : so as you said you can read  it a root <correct> see if you can chown it to user staff
<drspin> onkarshinde: you can do that when using an actual mount command?
<onkarshinde> drspin: Yes, you can. Just check manpage for syntax.
<onkarshinde> drspin: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mount.8.html Search for ntfs. You will find specific options.
<bloated> hi
<bloated> im about to install ubuntu
<drspin> onkarshinde: pmount is the answer -- just so happens that the maintainer is awake and in the -devel channel :) :)
<bloated> what do i need to know before i install ubuntu
<navashi> bloated: that life is good
<thoreauputic> bloated: everything ;-)
<navashi> bloated: it is a sweet install and you will have fun learning it even when it may not seem that way
<thoreauputic> bloated: be more specific and we'll be less flippant :)
<bloated> thoreauputic: is there irssi when i get on the disc?
<thoreauputic> bloated: on the disc?  irssi is indeed part of the standard install packages....
<DeadZed> bloated it is not a live cd .. its a typical debian install
<bloated> DeadZed: ya ok
<bloated> bbs
<bert> #ubuntu-nl
<Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone know anything about getting lm-sensors working? I've got a via board and it works fine with mbmon and xmbmon, but despite loading all the various i2c and such modules that sensors-detect and various google sites suggest, I can't get lm-sensors to read my sensors
<onno> Hello I need urgent help. This morning I want to start ubuntu and it asks after the init tab file...
<onno> I isn't there anymore... and it ask wich init should I start... I say 5 but then its says no processes for this
<onno> what should I do... I need to work a lot today and this isn't the time for me to fiddly with GNU/Linux
<thoreauputic> onno: you mean runlevel? try 2
<onno> Tryed theme all...
<thoreauputic> onno: debian distros use runlevel 2 as default
<onno> I'm now working on Ubuntu
<thoreauputic> you lost inittab?
<onno> yes
<thoreauputic> completely?
<thoreauputic> how??
<navashi> ono: hpw
<onno> I lost inittab, so I started knoopix...
<onno> I don't know how I lost it, let me inspect it...
<onno> Where should I find inittab normaly...
<thoreauputic> onno: maybe chroot from knoppix and use the knoppix kernel
<thoreauputic> onno:  /etc/inittab
<onno> Ok inittab is still there
<onno> but it won't work apparently... At what am I looking
<thoreauputic> less /etc/inittab to look at it
<onno> did it...
<onno> file is intact...
<thoreauputic> you should have lines like
<onno> but apparently when I boot it won't work
<thoreauputic> 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
<thoreauputic> 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
<thoreauputic> onno: an error message would help
<onno> sorry was looking at the knoopix one
<thoreauputic> "doesn't work " is kind of not... informative
<onno> Ok there is nothing any more in ETC_
<onno> etc is empty on my comp
<onno> what happend
<thoreauputic> onno: you're in deep trouble
<dwa_> onno: someone gave you the advice to do rm -rf /etc ?
<thoreauputic> onno: your hard drive must be totalled
<onno> var/log is still there
<onno> no I was yesterday programming
<onno> did not even on the net
<onno> wich log file should I look
<thoreauputic> onno: without /etc you have no config files , practically
<onno> I know I will have to reinstall ubuntu...
<onno> Why today
<thoreauputic> your data is intact?
<onno> Which log file do I need to look at
<onno> some of my data seems in taket except for etc
<thoreauputic>  bit late for log files I think
<thoreauputic> does /boot exist? Is vmlinuz still there?
<onno> Ok I need to backup
<thoreauputic> in / I mean
<onno> ./boot still there no vmlinuz
<thoreauputic> indeed
<onno> grub is there
<thoreauputic> no, vmlinuz is in  /
<thoreauputic> or should be
<Chipzz> thoreauputic: depends
<thoreauputic> if not you are totally screwed
<onno> vmlinuz also
<onno> is in /
<thoreauputic> Chipzz: ?
<Chipzz> thoreauputic: you can actually configure where the kernel image should be
<onno> Ok what should I do?
<thoreauputic> onno: you could use knoppix grub to try and boot the kernel
<Chipzz> thoreauputic: man kernel-img.conf
<thoreauputic> but if /etc/ is gone...
<onno> /etc/ is empty as hell
<thoreauputic> Chipzz: OK point taken - but / is default. is it not?
<HappyPills> oooh, we talking grub now? I have a few issues with grub not running my windows partition =(
<Chipzz> thoreauputic: it is not - default is symlinks in / pointing to kernel images in /boot
<onno> all the rest is there
<thoreauputic> Chipzz: OK - I stand corrected :)
<Chipzz> thoreauputic: :)
<onno> thoreauputic, how would I do that?
<thoreauputic> onno: I'll give you alink to a good grub tutorial - hang on
<onno> does anybody have an idea how /etc can go away
<drspin> HappyPills: I spent all day yesterday trying to fix Grub after a partition change...
<HappyPills> yep. it can get quite annoying.
<thoreauputic> onno: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
<HappyPills> what gets me is that lilo works perfectly for me
<thoreauputic> onno: by accident, for instance typing the wrong thing as root
<onkarshinde> Anyone knows about approximate date for Hoary release?
<thoreauputic> HappyPills: yu can install lilo if you prefer it
<thoreauputic> *you
<Helios_> hi
<HappyPills> I know I can... and I probably will end up doing that. I'm just customizing everything a little first
<thoreauputic> onkarshinde: april 6 IIRC
<onno> No chance I didn't go root yesterday
<Helios_> is there a command i can use to display information like processor speed, total amount of RAM, etc?
<onno> the mysql databases where are they so I can backup them and instaal the new ubuntu
<Neill> cat /proc/cpuinfo
<thoreauputic> spontaneous combustion ?
<Neill> and free -m will give you memory information
<thoreauputic> Helios_: cat /proc/cpuinfo
<Helios_> i see.. thanks alot!
<Neill> there is also dmesg which gives you output from the boot process, including lots of hardware stuff.
<thoreauputic> Helios_: cat /proc/meminfo
<Helios_> i see.... great! thanks!
<HappyPills> but it does annoy me that the autodetection thing worked to find the windows partition and refused to boot from it...
<thoreauputic> HappyPills: that seems to be a common ubuntu experience, unfortunately
* thoreauputic wonders if his XP partition will boot - hasn't used it since installing Ubuntu
<Helios_> lol my old laptop gets 788 bogomips
<quar> anyone know how to tell hdparm to turn dma on on a device?
<thoreauputic> Helios_: bogomips= bogus mips ;-)
<Helios_> something like hdparm -d /dev/hda
<thoreauputic> quar: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/whatever
<quar> thx
<quar> how can i tell what name my dvdrom drive is?
<quar> its a dvdrw actuall
<quar> y
<thoreauputic> quar: it's probably /dev/hdd or /dev/hdc
<HappyPills> thoreauputic: yes, it is a common grub experience I think... I've made it harder by making my windows partition /dev/hda5 =P
<quar> but how can i tell?
<thoreauputic> HappyPills: oh dear :/
<quar> How can i tell for sure?
<thoreauputic> quar: how many drives do you have?
<Helios_> i've installed Ubuntu on 4 PC's lately and they all multiboot to XP with the default menu.lst
<quar> just one optical
<quar> 1 hdd
<thoreauputic> quar: is it on primary or secondary?
<quar> i dun wanna guess, i need to check for sure
<quar> cant i modprobe or something?
<quar> check my fstab
<drspin> quar: ls /dev/hd*
<quar> ?
<waxhead> crap...
<waxhead> I think it's the cam I have that's not supported
<waxhead> sigh
<thoreauputic> quar: yes, check fstab
<bawbag> hi... anyone able to help me with a beagle issue?
<thoreauputic> tine to go.... see you all - good night
<bawbag> beagled --fg --debug seems to work, 'best' package runs fine, but i get no results for anything.  beagle-query returns "free(): invalid pointer 0x820d000!"
<bawbag> dashboard also runs with no results
<bawbag> tomboy, f-spot & muine all seem to run without trouble
<bawbag> fstab entry for /  ...  "/dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr 1 2"
<navashi> quar: now this may be an odd question are you currently on the system you are asking about? and if so have you put a dvd in? if so you should be able to see it in the filesystem if it does not show up on the DE
<bawbag> any help much appreciated.... can't work out what i'm doing wrong =)
<bawbag> oh.. and i'm using hoary =)  ty
<ace2001ac> anyone try compiling gcc 3.4.3 on amd64?
<claint> didnt know there was gcc 3.4.3.....
<raghu> ace2001ac: apt-get install gcc
<ace2001ac> raghu: well, it runs, I'm trying to compile it to add a frontend for a different language which is difficult if I can't get it to work on my new amd64 :)
<odie5533> How do you write scripts for Xchat?
<bawbag> anyone with some beagle experience?
<dmoyne> please I am trying to update from warty to hoary and I have in the process for gnome and kde some errors reported ! ; is this supposed to work with no problems !
<bob2> of course
<pinPoint> bob2: you appear to be everywhere. ;)
<dmoyne> what do you mean by of course !
<deFrysk> of course = sure
<dmoyne> you mean that you have proceeded with the update from warty to hoary with no error messages ?
<beloDRAK> "** (gftp-gtk:2633): WARNING **: Invalid UTF8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()" any idea what this means?
<bob2> dmoyne: it should work like that, yes
<bob2> beloDRAK: that something is buggy
<bob2> but not in a very serious way
<dmoyne> what can I do when I have soemthing like this :
<pinPoint> is there a way to make a list of files in a folder or drive and save it in a txt file
<beloDRAK> bob2: so I can forget about it?
<dmoyne> cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kcontrol/kalarmd/.dhelp': Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
<dmoyne> dpkg: erreur de traitement de kdepim-doc-html (--configure):
<dmoyne>  le sous-processus post-installation script a retourn une erreur de sortie d'tat 2
<topyli> pinPoint: ls > file.txt
<bob2> pinPoint: find > ./list.txt
<bob2> beloDRAK: I think it's safe to ignore
<deFrysk> dmoyne, try apt-get -f install
<beloDRAK> bob2: thnx
<dmoyne> deFrysk I will try : what is this supposed to do ?
<pinPoint> thanks ppl
<cam_> hey guys. i have a usb infrared adaptor. any apps i can use to connect to my phone
<bawbag> okay i found an error message.. it's something to do with dbus, but i think it's running....
<cam_> it seemed to have detected it in dmesg
<deFrysk> -f stands for fix
<cam_> usbcore: registered new driver pl2303
<cam_> drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c: Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor driver v0.12
<bawbag> DEBUG: Couldn't acquire d-bus service 'com.novell.BeagleIndexHelper'
<bawbag> free(): invalid pointer 0x8275000!
<beloDRAK> bob2: "(process:2788): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
<beloDRAK>         Using the fallback 'C' locale." and this is something simillar I think, no?
<HappyPills> wow... I must say that #ubuntu is a pretty popular channel!
<onkarshinde> HappyPills: Why do you think so?
<deFrysk> dmoyne, no privating
<beloDRAK> anyone here using Xfce4?
<dmoyne> deFrysk, sorry I thought itowul be mor efficient ! ; this is what I get on apt-get -f install :
<dmoyne> Reading Package Lists... Done
<dmoyne> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<dmoyne> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 728 not upgraded.
<dmoyne> 1 not fully installed or removed.
<dmoyne> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
<dmoyne> E: Unable to lock the download directory
<deFrysk> dmoyne, shut down synaptic and use sude
<deFrysk> sude = sudo
<Cam-> anyone know of a InfrRed proggie
<Cam-> i want to talk to my nokia phone
<dmoyne> ok I do shut synaptic and now what shoud I do ? ; maybe I do not have the proper repositries set
<onkarshinde> Anyone from India here?
<dwa_> i'm guessing you are
<deFrysk> all warty repos need to be set to hoary
<deFrysk> apt-get update
<onkarshinde> dwa_: apart from me.
<deFrysk> apt-get -f install
<deFrysk> as sudo
<onkarshinde> dwa_: How did you find I am from India?
<deFrysk> then try apt-get dist-upgrade again
<dmoyne> is apt-get update going to clean my existing repositries ?
<deFrysk> dmoyne, to refresh
<dwa_> onkarshinde : well, you were asking for people from india...
<beloDRAK> onkarshinde: it was really hard to find out
<dwa_> hey, it's jesus !
<garrut> our savior!
<dmoyne> yes but as I have lod warty repositires what is this going to do to them ?
<kosmos> comment them
<kosmos> all you nee is
<kosmos> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
<kosmos> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
<esher> my cdrw is messed up during burning, how can i "reset" the cddrine so that he is normal operating again ?
<arek> dmoyne warty resp will make no harm dont worry bout them
<dmoyne> ok I will set these repositries and restart my update process
<deFrysk> dmoyne, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<esher> must i reboot to bring cdrom back to working status ?
<beloDRAK> whats better hoary or warty?
<kosmos> try unmount an mount it
<deFrysk> warty = stable
<deFrysk> hoary is leet
<beloDRAK> thats what I thought
<kosmos> didnt help?
<beloDRAK> I have custom instalation of warty on my ibook(first gen) and Im almost satisfied
<M_Fatih> hi all
<M_Fatih> i want to use grub splash, in ubuntu warty live.. is there any package to install for this?
<dmoyne> to cosmos : after setting my repositries w/ synaptic and refreshing I still have error messages ; whould I work with apt-get commands ?
<onkarshinde> M_Fatih: not really. You just need to use an option in menu.lst
<Daehlie> i don't like graphical boot loaders, one more thing that can screw up
<kagou> hi
<onkarshinde> it should be of form splashimage=(hd0,0)/path_to_splash_image
<onkarshinde> M_Fatih: I hope you know prerequisites for splash image.
<kosmos> dmoyne, set up your sources list with gedit und try apt-get update
<Z3phyr0s> Ahoy
<M_Fatih> onkarshinde, where is splash's packages? xgz
<deFrysk> dmoyne, before apt-get update shut down synaptic
<onkarshinde> M_Fatih: I don't think there is any by default in Ubuntu. If you want to try one you can get some from http://onkarshinde.tripod.com/downloads.htm
<M_Fatih> i crushed my menu.lst, there is no backup. how can i fix grub's menu.lst
<dmoyne> I am now in the procees of apt-get dist-upgrade ; it will take a long time !
<virtuald> M_Fatih: try running update-grub
<M_Fatih> ah, thanks..
<virtuald> or reinstall grub, then run update-grub
<HappyPills> Okay... my libranet cd's are borked and I need an os running properly soon. How flexible is the Ubuntu installer when it comes to partitioning hard drives off?
<M_Fatih> virtuald, can i found like this tools for system management? what like runlevel editor?
<HappyPills> does it automatically try and wipe everything or do I have full control over which partitions it can touch?
* M_Fatih grub : i fixed..
<topyli> HappyPills: you can set it up any way you like
<virtuald> M_Fatih: what?
<HappyPills> good... I'm not even sure what version of Ubuntu I have on this cd but it is better than a half borked distro... Hopefully I'll be right back =P
<sianis> hi
<sianis> i have a little probleme
<topyli> HappyPills: good luck
<sianis> i download a .deb file
<sianis> but i cannot install it with the dpkg
<sianis> can some1 help me?
<M_Fatih> virtuald, is there any tool like this, "update-grub". i love console system management tools, i can't manage my runlevel scripts.. i'm newbie in debian&ubuntu
<deFrysk> what package ?
<sianis> it is fp-compiler_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
<sianis> it's a free pascal compiler
<virtuald> M_Fatih: i don't know of any
<M_Fatih> hm. ok. thanks :)
<deFrysk> sianis, whete does the package complain about ?
<deFrysk> dpkg that is
<sianis> what is the option i can start install?
<deFrysk> sudo dpkg -i
<deFrysk> sudo dpkg -i <package>
<sianis> ok, i try
<supos> Anyone know if the firefox icons are supposed to look the way they do in Hoary? (Is this a bug or a feature?)
<sianis> Selecting previously deselected package fp-compiler.
<sianis> (Reading database ... 62060 files and directories currently installed.)
<sianis> Unpacking fp-compiler (from fp-compiler_1.0.4-2_i386.deb) ...
<sianis> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fp-compiler:
<sianis>  fp-compiler depends on fp-units-rtl (= 1.0.4-2); however:
<sianis>   Package fp-units-rtl is not installed.
<sianis> dpkg: error processing fp-compiler (--install):
<sianis>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
<sianis> Errors were encountered while processing:
<sianis>  fp-compiler
<sianis> sorry the long
<topyli> M_Fatih: there's update-rc.d but you'll have to read the man page :)
<topyli> aargh! flood
<fgx> sianis, install fp-units-rtl then fp-compiler
<deFrysk> sianis, get/find the missing apckages
<sianis> okey
<sianis> i try
<sianis> ohh
<sianis> it's good
<sianis> complete
<sianis> thx
<sianis> i'm begginer in the Linux world
<sianis> :)
<sianis> thang guys, girls :)
<topyli> M_Fatih: sysv-rc-conf is a nice runlevel editor if you want an interactive program
<M_Fatih> hm. trying..
<sianis> can i install a other graphics ... like gnome?
<sianis> px: icwwm
<sianis> icewm
<mjr> gnome is quite a lot more than a window manager, but sure, you can use icewm
<virtuald> gnome is not a window manager
<fgx> metacity is the default wm for gnome
<caffinated> i think he's thinking of gnome + metacity
<selinium_> Hi all, i installed SKYPE a while ago, i want to upgrade to the next deb. How do I go about it?
<fgx> did someone try to use fvwm+gnome?
<fgx> selinium_, how did you install skype?
<fgx> selinium_, using apt-get?
<sianis> gnome + metacity is the default
<sianis> but i like the icewm, xfce
<selinium_> fgx: downloaded the deb from skype, and intalled dkpg from that... i think? it was some time ago and I am quite new to all this Linux stuff. Tooo much info pushing the old stuff out!
<fgx> selinium_, dunno if dpkq -i newpack will overwright oldone. well, try and see what you get.
<sianis> some1 use synaptics to the touchpad, toucscreen?
<selinium_> fgx: do i need to download the new deb? Is there a way i can get synaptic to take care of it?
<johnl> morning
<garrut> eu
<fgx> selinium_, synaptic will take kare only for staff from repos (sources.list)
<optika> what's the best way to check what version of a package is installed/available?
<fgx> selinium_, you are running warty or hoary?
<optika> I don't really want to use aptitude or synaptic, I'd prefer plain output on stdout ;)
<HrdwrBoB> optika: dpkg for installed
<selinium_> fgx: hoary
<HrdwrBoB> apt-cache show for availbale
<optika> HrdwrBoB: ta :)
<fgx> optika, dpkg| grep package
<optika> ta++ :)
<garrut> it's dpkg -l
<sianis> how can i look so what hardware is avaible to in my notebbok
<optika> apt-cache show package   works for installed too
<sianis> pl: wireless, irda
<fgx> selinium_, maybe skype is in hoary universe. try apt-cache search skype ( be sure universe is enabled )
<optika> garrut: indeed, it is. dpkg by itself doesn't work :)
<sh1mmer> moin
<Quinn_Storm> if you can't find it, check out apt-get.org
<sianis> oh god
<sianis> i delete my trush on the panel
<sianis> :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:
<sianis> how can i get back?
<garrut> so, put it back...
<sianis> how, where?
<selinium_> fgx: it comes up with the skype slogan. In Synaptic, the version appears to be older than the one on Skype.com
<fgx> selinium_, well, version on skype.com will always be the last one :-)
<mjr> fgx, skype is non-free, thus not likely in universe
<odie5533> Is there a good Java Decompiler for Linux?
<mjr> maybe in multiverse, if it's redistributable; haven't checked
<fgx> mjr, oh, right!
<sianis> garrut
<sianis> pls help me
<onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me, how hard is it to develop driver for internal modem?
<selinium_> fgx: Skype is free as voip. if you choose to pay for the other stuff thats up to you!
<selinium_> mrj: Skype is free as voip. if you choose to pay for the other stuff thats up to you!
<dwa_> sianis : what have you tried yourself?
<fgx> selinium_, skype client is free, but not the protocal
<mjr> selinium_, it's not free software, free as in speech
<Syche> Hi. I've got Ubuntu Hoary installed and want to get KDE as well. Can i do it using the Kubuntu cd as I already have it?
<Syche> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
<mjr> yah, and the proprietary protocol it uses makes things even worse
<sianis> i delete the trush on the panel, but i don't know where i can put it back
<selinium_> fgx mrj: I see... anyway, the best way forward to get the new one on my machine is to dowload the deb and 'dpkq -i newpack' ?
<dwa_> trush? don't you mean trash?
<mjr> selinium_, correct
<fgx> selinium_, yes
<sianis> trsh
<sianis> trash :)
<sianis> srry
<dwa_> ok sianis try this: right click on your panel
<saber> resizing reiserfs killed my system... damn i gotta go through another installation
<dwa_> add to panel
<dwa_> tadaaaaa select your trash panel
<mjr> reiserfs isn't the poster-child for stability, exactly
<selinium_> mrj fgx: thanks for your help! I have to start righting these commands down!
<scandium> selinium_, what did you do to get sound during calls? Doesn't work for me, even when started with esddsp
<dwa_> +applet
<saber> mjr, what fs do you recommend?
<sianis> thx
<sianis> thx
<sianis> thx
<mjr> saber, for most uses, plain old ext3 - not blazingly fast, but good enough, and pretty solid. For high-end stuff, jfs or xfs may be better
<selinium_> scandium: it just worked for me, sorry.  all it says is /dev/dsp if thats any help?
<saber> i choose xfs for this install... it is going through the base system right now
<saber> thankfully i was able to snap a copy of /etc
<scandium> selinium_, yeah got that too...I can hear sound and record stuff using arecord on console or the gnome sound recorder but skype is just silent for me
<scandium> silly peer pressure that makes me use skype ;-)
<tayar> Hi
<tayar> Is nautilus broken?
<selinium_> scandium: i wish I could help! I just bought a years worth of skypeIn for 30 euros, and would like to use it. the idea of having a phone line available on any pc!
<tayar> I am using 2.10.0-4
<tayar> Its crashes every time I try opening it
<tayar> in the places menu i have 2 ftp entery i got no idea what they are doing there
<tayar> I have rebooted
<tayar> and deleted ~/.nautilus
<scandium> selinium_, I started using skype only 2 months ago when I realized all of my friends have it...I tried to educate them to use VoIP as in SIP/RTP but it has three disadvantages for the non-technical user: 1. you need to know the other users IP 2. you need to do NAT if you aren't connected directly 3. it doesn't do file transfer, chatting etc...so skype wins :(
<mjr> tayar, weird, and not typical. Sorry, no ideas.
<tayar> who am i meant to contact for help? seb128?
<zzyber> Hi! For some reason my ubuntu has start freezing after a couple of hours of use, when the trouble began i installed Hoary Preview release in hope that the trouble will go away but i still have troble with the computer hanging after a couple of hours and the hard disk led is on constantly, ctrl, alt, del or ctrl, alt backspace dont work. Can i trace this problem with some software or is it logged when i do a hard reset?
<selinium_> scandium: have you had a look at asterisk?
<seb128> tayar: do you have python-nautilus installed ?
<scandium> heard of it
<tayar> seb128, yes
<seb128> that's it
<seb128> remove it
<seb128> this stuff is broken
<seb128> I wonder why people install it, is that useful somewhere ?
<mjr> scandium, yah, sadly, free solutions have some ways to go yet (though gnomemeeting (which sadly doesn't support sip but only h323 so far) does have callto directory support, so no need for ips)
<selinium_> scandium: apparently it is the dogs dangleys. but i haven't had time to look
<tayar> seb128, i installe something that depends on it
<mjr> (gnomemeeting sip support should be coming Real Soon Now)
<seb128> tayar:
<seb128> $ apt-cache rdepends python-nautilus
<seb128> python-nautilus
<seb128> Reverse Depends:
<seb128> tayar: nothing depends on it ...
<tayar> seb128, something outisde of ubuntu
<seb128> k
<kosmos> hm?
<tayar> seb128, can you remove
<seb128> ?
<tayar> seb128, can remove it from the rep
<seb128> why ?
<seb128> fixing it is probably a better solution
<tayar> searcher`, because someone else might install it like how i did
<tayar> :o
<tayar> ok
<tayar> whatever
<tayar> cya
<selinium_> mjr fgx: I am getting this error when I try to install... subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
<selinium_> mrj fgx: any ideas?
<resiak> selinium_: Look further up the screen for an error message.
<selinium_> resiak: yep found it... dpkg-deb: `/home/james/Desktop/Save/skype_1.0.0.20-1_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
<resiak> selinium_: Download it again, since it's clearly corrupted.
<selinium_> resiak: cheers, will do!
* resiak does the evil non-free Skype dance, and covers up the icon sitting in his systray.
* mjr chuckles at skype being corrupted
* resiak corrupts mjr 
<mjr> I'm untouchable, unless a sufficiently large sum of money is presented
<Pointwood> skype being currupted?
<Seveas> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
* Seveas hits mjr
<HappyPills> me back! installation success =P
<oggah> I did the "apt-get install bittornado" in terminal, it did install everything ok. But how do I start it?
<black_Nightmare> hey there
<markc> are there cvs/svn repositories for the livecds anywhere ?
<selinium_> It seems the the deb on the Skype site is corrupted :(  Icould try and install it from the binary tar.bz2, Is that just a case of unpacking it and running dpkg -i on that?
<kosmos> not its not
<kosmos> this way you install .debs
<mameluke> selinium_, as i installed it, it worked
<kosmos> binaries you have to compile
<kosmos> jep, the deb is ok
<mameluke> selinium_, whats the ending of the file?
<IcedKiwi> hey ppls
<selinium_> mameluke: I have downloaded it 4 times now, and run dpkg -i on the various files. No joy.  dpkg-deb: `/home/james/Desktop/Save/skype_1.0.0.20-1_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
<IcedKiwi> hows everyone?
<mameluke> selinium_, whats the ending of the file?
<mameluke> .deb?
<selinium_> mameluke: youve got the complete route to the file there! yes .deb!
<mameluke> hrmm.. yes, .deb... hrm
<selinium_> mameluke: lol :)
<mameluke> i had no problems.... but i installed it under warty
<mjr> selinium_, see what file skype*deb says
<HappyPills> hmm... anybody installed octave for ubuntu before?
<mameluke> selinium_, are you root?
<mameluke> selinium_, made chmod 755 *.deb?
<selinium_> mamaluke: you have to run dpkg as sudo
<mameluke> yes, sry.. i've activated root :P
<selinium_> mjr: /home/james/Desktop/Save/skype_1.0.0.20-1_i386.deb: data
<mjr> mfft
<mjr> well, "complain to skype" is my advice...
<IcedKiwi> does anyone know where i can get a driver for a winmodem? i cant find it a linmodem.org
<mameluke> selinium_, try the tar-files
<mjr> IcedKiwi, if not there, probably nowhere
<IcedKiwi> oh
<cusco> hi ya
<selinium_> mjr: lol, i will try the tar files. is it just a case of upacking the dpkg -i ?
<IcedKiwi> i guess id better get a new modem then, huh?
<selinium_> mjr: lol, i will try the tar files. is it just a case of upacking and then dpkg -i ?
<mjr> they call them "winmodems" for a reason
<IcedKiwi> lol
<mjr> selinium_, no
<HappyPills> fudge... couldn't find package ndiswrapper =(
<IcedKiwi> the whole idea is crass
<markc> are there cvs/svn repositories for the livecds anywhere ?
<mjr> the tar package just contains the same files as the deb package should, but without the control information
<petemc> HappyPills: read the ndiswrapper how to on the wiki
<HappyPills> yeah... I was
<cusco> HappyPills: type sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils
<petemc> and you didnt notice the package isnt called ndiswrapper
<selinium_> mjr: so what do i do with it when i have got it?
<cusco> then ndiswrapper -i name-ofthe-driver.inf
<mjr> selinium_, unpack it somewhere and hope it contains a README file or something
<selinium_> mjr: thanks!
<HappyPills> well. I installed it for dsl and it was =P
<cusco> was? was what?
<petemc> HappyPills: either way, if you were reading the how to you would know what it was called in ubuntu
<mameluke> selinium_, unpack the tar.bz2 then male it runnable und the run it with ./<file>
<mameluke> male = make
<mameluke> arg i can't write anymore
<HappyPills> must have been reading the wrong file...
<HappyPills> but I'm all happy now!
* HappyPills passes out expired prescription Prozac
<IcedKiwi> lol
<factotum> who wants some seroquel LOL
<HappyPills> now to test the automount capabilities of ubuntu default install =P
<selinium_> mameluke: cheers for that!
<Myrtti> I'd love some Ritalin
<IcedKiwi> lol
<IcedKiwi> isnt ritalin just medical speed?
<factotum> kinda
<IcedKiwi> ok
<Myrtti> well, it's said to slow people down too
<IcedKiwi> yeah
<Myrtti> those with ADD / ADHD
* KarlosII hands some morphine around
<IcedKiwi> caffeine used to actually calm my ex down
<IcedKiwi> he had adhd
<factotum> like with seroquel, one pill knocks my wife out for at least 12 hours, i take 2 of them twice a day
<factotum> just kinda mellows me out a bit
<PacoBCN> ...
<IcedKiwi> what is seroquel?
<factotum> anti-psychotic
<HappyPills> okay... I gotta go and switch to wireless now
<HappyPills> brb
<IcedKiwi> i used to take rypiradone (cant spell it) and after that they tried me on zoloft
<IcedKiwi> nothing interesting
<factotum> yea
<factotum> same with effexor
<IcedKiwi> interesting people, with interesting pill collections...
<factotum> oh yes lol
<IcedKiwi> my grandfather takes 36 different pills a day
<factotum> wow
<factotum> all to counter act each other lol
<IcedKiwi> and thats when hes NOT in hospital
<factotum> it is an even number after all
<Lin> hi all.. what is the url that explain about codecs, and  "missing" packages?
<factotum> ick
<IcedKiwi> lol
<mjr> effexor dries my mouth
<IcedKiwi> not counting doubles and triples and so on
<factotum> same here
<Myrtti> efexor has other not so funny side effects
<factotum> i always have water with me
<factotum> really?
<IcedKiwi> zoloft doesnt do a bloody thing
<factotum> yea i suppose for some people it does different things
<deFrysk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<Myrtti> sex sucked when a man I was dating took Efexor
<mjr> and anyway, doesn't do more for me than more traditional stuffs, might go back to cipralex
<mameluke> selinium_, does it work?
<IcedKiwi> ryspiradone (sp?) made me put on a stack of weight
<factotum> Myrtti: ah, gotcha
<spacey> whats better, freeswan or openswan?
<IcedKiwi> it made me eat heaps
<KarlosII> swan?
<Lin> deFrysk, it was a white and blue web page, with some explanations.
<factotum> Myrtti: Dr. warned me about that, so far ive been lucky though
<Quinn_Storm> effexor & such can actually make it better sometimes, heh
<Lin> deFrysk, non official web site :-)
<deFrysk> Lin, dont use not official sites
<factotum> Quinn_Storm: yea at times, now that you mention it lol
<Myrtti> I tried Remeron, it made me crave for food constantly. I gained weight about 4kilos on one weekend
<factotum> wow
<Myrtti> the sweet cravings were awful
<IcedKiwi> omg! thats like totally horribl
<Lin> deFrysk, some one here recommends me :-D
<Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: I'm too skinny so that'd be kinda a good thing for me, lol
<deFrysk> white and blue must be mdk yukkie
<visor> is there a way to change the default QT look without having to install KDE?
<IcedKiwi> i dont get cravings except around that time of month
<deFrysk> Lin, silly someone
<Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: well I was and still am on a diet, so the doctor kindly changed the medication
<Lin> deFrysk, I'm not a newbie.. I'm writting a paper for a magazine.
<Myrtti> I'm on nothing now, though
<deFrysk> visor kdeartwork
<Lin> deFrysk, and I'm not a journalist ;-D
<deFrysk> Lin, then you should have bookmarked the page ;)
<Lin> coffe is over! :-(  I have to do more..
<Lin> deFrysk, I have formatted yesterday to install ubuntu hoary
<selinium_> mameluke: haven't had a chance to try yet!
<Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: heh, personally I'm 5'8" tall (~173 centimeters) and plan to get up to around 220lbs (~100kilos)...and yes I'm female in case that wasn't clear
<deFrysk> Lin, and what are you trying to find/install ?
<Lin> deFrysk, to test it! And I'm amazed with niceties.
<Lin> deFrysk, nothing.. just the url.. Every thing is working fine
<selinium_> mameluke: is it worth finding the old files and replacing them with the new ones? Do i need to uninstall the old one first?
<Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: yes, me too, female, 163cms, used to weigh 106kgs, have lost 20kg's in a year
<deFrysk> blue and white is pretty vague for finding an url ;)
<factotum> maybe your looking for the unofficial how-to's?
<Lin> deFrysk, but in that website they helps to install Sun Java, Real Player and others
<gholen> does anyone know why my mouse freezes all the time
<Myrtti> or have --> did
<Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: aww, you should have kept it on, I bet you were cute...but then as you can tell I have a thing for chubby girls, heh
<deFrysk> Lin, the link I gave does that too and its official ;)
<IcedKiwi> im female, about five foot six and 85 kg give or take 4 kg depending on the time of day and my mood
<onno> is there a know issue's page for the hoary preview
<mameluke> selinium_, no idea :P
<onno> as ubuntu warty crased I'm going to install hoary
<Lin> deFrysk, sun java isn't there :-D
<Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: cool
<Lin> deFrysk, but ok.. I will point to here! :-D
<deFrysk> Lin, read the page better
<IcedKiwi> i want to be around 50 kg though, max
<Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: why?!
<factotum> onno: so stable crashed, to resolve the problem your going to install beta?
<Lin> deFrysk, ok.. there is a little Link in Java sub topic ;-)
<IcedKiwi> im 14, everyone else at school is really skinny and i cant wear what i wanna
<deFrysk> lin there is a story on that page about jave including this link
<IcedKiwi> i wouldnt wanna dress like everyone else though
<deFrysk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
<Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: well its not your fault the society is screwed up and focused on women being stupidly skinny
<IcedKiwi> thats for sure
<IcedKiwi> i dont want to be stupidly skinny
<IcedKiwi> i just want to be comfortable in my own skin
<Quinn_Storm> IcedKiwi: well...50 kg at your height, to me, is far too thin, but its your choice
<onno> factotum: /etc disapeared... I'm not afraid of the beta...
<Lin> deFrysk, i have read already.. thank you !
<factotum> whatever works i guess :/
<onno> I was anyway about to do it as preview prob. Is very stable and soon ubuntu hoary will be stable
<onno> so I forsee little problems, but I want to overview what problems there still are
<IcedKiwi> my weight can change as much as 5kg in one day
<IcedKiwi> sometimes more
<deFrysk> Lin, and next time stay away from non official howto-pages specially when writing a story
<IcedKiwi> its rediculous
<Lin> deFrysk, just a last question: There is some project to make a ubuntu graphical installer?
<IcedKiwi> anyway, heres what some of the side affects of my old med are
<IcedKiwi> Risperidone ( Symptoms or Effects )
<IcedKiwi> Common: Lethargy / sleepiness,low blood pressure, dry mouth,blurred vision,constipation, weight gain,difficulty urinating, nasal irritation / stuffiness,or stiffness.
<black_Nightmare> lin I think its best text-based
<Lin> deFrysk, all right!
<Lin> black_Nightmare, me too..
<black_Nightmare> graphics often are useless... windows setup you see too much of then around screen
<deFrysk> Lin, not that I know of , the installer of ubuntu is very easy to use and powerfull
<selinium_> So Neo, do you take the Red pill.... or the Blue pill.... :)
<Lin> black_Nightmare, I'm a debian power user... but..
<IcedKiwi> i personally would rather install linux than windows
<IcedKiwi> its so much easier
<IcedKiwi> oh
<IcedKiwi> i love the matrix
<IcedKiwi> like trinity is my idol!
<factotum> i figure, if im not going to be using X anyways, why have a graphic installer?
<black_Nightmare> hm..I was looking at the ubuntu screenshots and I now have one minor complain :p
<Lin> IcedKiwi, Persephone is better! :-D
<IcedKiwi> lol
<Quinn_Storm> bleh...trinity needs to eat something...but then a good 99% of actresses do...
<deFrysk> black_Nightmare, I hate ubuntu brown :D
<black_Nightmare> defry..lol no not that kind of thing :))
<deFrysk> thank god for themeing
<IcedKiwi> she dresses well though (inside the matrix, that is)
<Myrtti> I want something girlish
<Lin> deFrysk, there is others who hate too..
<IcedKiwi> Nairobi is cool
<Quinn_Storm> I agree with that though I like the whole tight shiny black stuff look, heh
<Myrtti> I had Sakura login screen, that was about the girlishy thing I found
<resiak> It makes me want to hurt people...
<Myrtti> and I want matching themes
<black_Nightmare> defy = http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=156&slide=36 does either that computer actually have a 5.25" drive or is the mixedup term rearing its head again?
<black_Nightmare> :p
<selinium_> Nairobi certainly is cool!
<Myrtti> the whole shebang
<IcedKiwi> as long as its looks good and you can move, its ok
<black_Nightmare>  3.5" = diskette or disk for short
<black_Nightmare> but then thats only a minor naming complain
<black_Nightmare> ;)
<selinium_> Starting to think we should all move to #matrix :)
<IcedKiwi> and Jada Pinkett-Smith is married to Will Smith, so she'd better be cool
<IcedKiwi> lol
<IcedKiwi> i can talk on the # rooms
<IcedKiwi> *cant talk
<mattgirv> Hey :)
<IcedKiwi> hi
<mattgirv> How can I have an icon, start a program in sudo :/
<mameluke> does anybody know why apt holds some packages back as i switched to hoary?
<mameluke> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded.
<deFrysk> mattgirv, gnomesu or in kde kdesu
<mattgirv> erm, because you manually upgrade them :)
<IcedKiwi> what is the name of the new version coming out in may?
<mattgirv> deFrysk: thanks :D
<mameluke> mattgirv, i have to do it manualy?
<Myrtti> mameluke: did you do a upgrade or dist-upgrade?
<mameluke> Myrtti, both
<kosmos> grumpy groundhog
<IcedKiwi> ok'
<mattgirv> oh if you did both im not sure
<kosmos> something like that
<factotum> poopy porcupine
<IcedKiwi> why would someone name it someting like that?
<IcedKiwi> lol
<IcedKiwi> i think a cool name for one would be 'zippy zebra'
<mameluke> but there's no hog in it
<IcedKiwi> i guess
<GNAM> i don't agree two distros ubuntu/kubuntu... there's double work about nothing
<arek> mameluke: check which packages are hold and try to upgrade 1 at  the time
<factotum> sbut apt-getting kde is soo hard LOL
<mameluke> soggy road hog
<deFrysk> GNAM, so ?
<GNAM> auau
<GNAM> so there must be one only distro
<mameluke> arek, each of the 31?
<mameluke> >_<
<deFrysk> GNAM, build one ;)
<GNAM> no!
<GNAM> less distro than possible!
<deFrysk> GNAM, then shus!
<Lin> see ya people!
<viZion> hi all
<IcedKiwi> hi
<viZion> i got from #ubuntu-nl and they said i should ask here
<arek> mameluke: well there must be some dependency problem you can wait and hope it will go
<black_Nightmare> any of you know if ubuntu does not support VB at all...right?
<GNAM> visual basic?
<GNAM> auaua
<GNAM> look at mono for c# support
<arek> black_Nightmare: ms does not suport it any more :)
<black_Nightmare> gnam - yeah
<viZion> i got a problem with my Ati card, how do i get it to work on both monitors (Big-Desktop mode)
<viZion> i installed fglrx, and fglrx control.. fglrxinfo gives this
<viZion> bart@BartP4:~ $ fglrxinfo
<viZion> display: :0.0  screen: 0
<viZion> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
<viZion> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Generic
<viZion> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
<viZion> If i change settings in fglrxcontrol it says to restart X, but nothing happends after that
<black_Nightmare> arek hm so I guess I'll have to figure qemu for VB programs then?
<mameluke> arek, i also think i wait first.. but strang that i'm the only one :P
<viZion> VB can work
<arek> mameluke: maybe u mixed some universe packages
<viZion> with wine, at least Wine support the VB6 IDE
<black_Nightmare> vizion hmm ok making me wondering about trying one thing myself
<viZion> and MS is still supporting it, (extended support)
<black_Nightmare> ubuntu has support for usb1.1 or no?
<GNAM> seems sure
<arek> well they decided to drop support on vb it was on /.
<black_Nightmare> hm ok...well this project I'll try might be interesting....
<viZion> they drop normal support
<black_Nightmare> any of you know about the hp scanjet's?
<GNAM> auauau
<mameluke> thx anyway.. as long as everyting runs i won't do anything... arek ;)
<GNAM> try
<GNAM> time required to install ubuntu: 1h
<GNAM> and a free partition.
<viZion> extended support will still be available for VB6
<viZion> also vb6 WILL work under Longhorn
<black_Nightmare> I guess not
<IcedKiwi> when is longhorn coming out?
<GNAM> ubuntu is best distro for newbies
<IcedKiwi> FC3 is pretty though
<viZion> no its not gnam
<deFrysk> IcedKiwi, anymoths foolsday
<GNAM> and also for others :P
<deFrysk> anymonths
<IcedKiwi> ??
<viZion> unbuntu fucked up my MBR and Parttable!! i lost alllll my data
<IcedKiwi> lol
<GNAM> fedora 2 fucked my MBR
<GNAM> aauaua
<arek> it  can be nice distro
<rapha> viZion: Your data is still on the disk.
<viZion> no it wasnt
<black_Nightmare> *sigh* .. its a usb flatbed scanner with transparency attachment ..... and under 98se it uses a bit of VB because I remember having to install some libraries etc before I could even use the program.  but then I dunno if its the scanner driver or just the program that is needing VB
<IcedKiwi> ive got ubuntu and Fedora core 3
<viZion> luckely i got backup of december of my music
<deFrysk> <--w2k and ubuntu
<black_Nightmare> but then..if I can figure a pci scsi card into ubuntu I *may* use scanmaker E3 instead (its a bit of a big old scanner hehe)
<zzyber> can someone tip me about som log reading program for ubuntu
<black_Nightmare> brb for a while anyhow
<rapha> viZion: Have you even _tried_ to recover your partition table?
<claint> zzyber : less
<viZion> yes i did
<rapha> viZion: (And btw: no OS I've ever seen in the 18 years of using computers has fucked up a partition table _by_itself_)
<viZion> installing of Grub Failed
<arek> black_Nightmare: i got my epson perfection after compiling cvs sane are you sure there is no backend for your scanner?
<zzyber> claint, less is..........working but :-) I really need some more developed gui kind of logger
<viZion> i guess it failed because i had my XP on NTFS partition
<rapha> viZion: Just that: "failed"? No more verbose error message?
<GNAM> everyone has xp on NTFS partition
<rapha> viZion: More people have that setup
<claint> zzyber : you mean viewer
<zzyber> claint, yes, of course. Sorry
<claint> zzyber : the thing is logs are text messages. you need to differentiate or something?
<scizzo> GNAM: no...not me
<scizzo> GNAM: I use fat
<viZion> well i got a GRUB error after installing
<rapha> After installing?
<rapha> What do you mean?
<zzyber> claint, yes but isnt there some log viewer with pre defined scheme
<scizzo> viZion: the fact is that you actually have to think and know how and what to partition.
<GNAM> fat only if you want read/write partition with linux.
<viZion> installing ubuntu, and then it installs GRUB
<scizzo> viZion: what has screwed your partitions up is what you tell the install todo
<onno> how can you use scp not to copy a file but a complete directory?
<claint> zzyber : probably there is. what do you want it to do?
<scizzo> onno: scp -r or -R
<IcedKiwi> i have to go now
<IcedKiwi> bye
<scizzo> onno: recursive
<onno> ok should have know that
<viZion> scizzo, i'm not saying it wasnt my fault.. i only say that the setup is in that way not n00b proof enough to make it clear for people, that they should NOT install grub in their MBR but in a seperate /boot partition
<scizzo> viZion: ?
<scizzo> viZion: what you should maybe do is to read the information....
<viZion> i did
<zzyber> claint, read why my computer hangs after a couple of hours of running ubuntu, started a couple of day ago and i think it could be a update or a harware failure but i want to know for sure and i dont know where to look for information and i dont know where debian (ubuntu) store information just before a hard reset
<claint> viZion : what's wrong with MBR installation anyways?
<onno> how can it be that the compleet /etc directory disapears from my laptop
<viZion> well it didnt work with me
<scizzo> viZion: there is guides to stuff...and of course...if you go to the page you will also see that there has been one release of ubuntu and the second is comming soon
<mameluke> viZion, i have it in my MBR and never hab Probs
<onno> ubuntu warty
<viZion> i had no problems with fedora core 3, Grub2 in my MBR
<claint> zzyber : i dont have an ubuntu/deb machine with me, but regularly you "less /var/log/messages"
<viZion> only now i did had problems with ubuntu in my mbr
<claint> zzyber : you could also watch it real time with "tail -f /var/log/messages"
<scizzo> viZion: how did you partition and what did you tell the install that the bootable partition should be?
<claint> zzyber : kernel panics and such should be logged, if that is your problem.
<deFrysk> make sure not to use xfs when using grub and things should work fine
<deFrysk> in /boot that is
<viZion> hd0: Windows XP NTFS
<viZion> hd1: Misc Part, FAT32
<viZion> hd2: Music Part, FAT32
<viZion> hd3: Documents, NTFS
<viZion> hd4: /boot ext2
<viZion> hd5: /swap
<viZion> hd6: / ext3
<zzyber> claint, aha, i looked at messages and it may be ACPI that is troubeling me, i will disabe it and se whats happening
<scizzo> viZion: and which one is bootable?
<viZion> i said hd4 should
<black_Nightmare> back
<data> hi
<viZion> what i have now is:
<viZion> hd0: Windows XP, FAT32
<viZion> hd1: Misc, FAT32
<viZion> hd2: Music, FAT32
<viZion> hd3: /boot ext2 (bootable)
<viZion> hd4: swap
<viZion> hd5: / Ext3
<data> im very very new to ubuntu and im having a problem with other hdds on this pc. the os doesnt see them .. can anyone help?
<viZion> i havent got it to dual-boot with windows yet, bu at least, dont have Grub freezing anymore, and actually starts ubuntu
<Cam-> so many hard drives
<black_Nightmare> arek I haven't even installed ubuntu yet but....its just that a similar scanner to mine seem to be no good with BE & similar as shown here http://www.bedrivers.com/hardware/list.php?category=30&sub=39 so made me wonder
<mameluke> data what tells df -H?
<Cam-> vizion
<Cam-> dont u mean
<Cam-> same hdxa b c d
<Cam-> etc
<Cam-> not
<Cam-> because what your saying is u have 5 physical hard drives
<viZion> oh i mean hda0 etc....
<Cam-> yer was gonna say
<Cam-> it might be something wrong with your raid
<Cam-> =P
<viZion> 5 physicals, no haha :D im not installing linux on my server
<arek> black_Nightmare: what is your model name?
<data> mame....can u say that in lay terms??
<claint> viZion : so windows is still there and you want to be able to boot to it?
<black_Nightmare> arek.. scanjet 4700c I believe -- ughh its upstairs in garage now ~ douf to that lol
<viZion> claint, i got like 30 installs thru the weekend
<viZion> and yes i got a Windows part, i wish to boot now
<black_Nightmare> the scanmaker E3 is here in my bedroom thou..just having a bit problem tryign figure if the locker is stuck or not [the thing to lock down during transportation] 
<viZion> i need to edit the boot.list right
<claint> viZion : menu.lst i think in ubuntu.
<viZion> yes menu.lst
<data> i got 2 other hdds ntfs 180gb and 200gb
<claint> viZion : should be in /boot/grub
<viZion> i already edit it when i downloaded new kernel
<claint> viZion : then run grub again.
<claint> viZion : and type the necessary commands to install the bootloader once again.
<black_Nightmare> jeeze...I just looked and there must be like 200+ small games for ubuntu/hoary *faints*
<viZion> what do i need to edit in the mnu.lst so i can boot windows, on hda0 ?
<mameluke> data if you don't write my nick i don't see what you write
<mameluke> because it's not highlitet data
<mameluke> data do you know what a shell is?
<data> mameluke : nope. what is shell? sorry im clueless on linux
<black_Nightmare> stupid question heh what kind of graphic engine(s) does ubuntu use?  for hoary x86 installion that is
<rapha> Okay.
<rapha> Since nobody in here has been answering, I'll just file a bug now.
<rapha> Noone else experiencing sound problems with Hoary that they didn't have with Warty?
<mameluke> data hrmmm i have tho gnome on german... so it's difficult for me ti tell you how to open a shell >_<
<viZion> yes i did rapha
<claint> viZion : that is several lines. should be a page for ubuntu.
<viZion> my sound stopped working with the warty ->hoary
<rapha> Hah
<rapha> Just like me
<data> mameluke : is there a www that can help maybe?
<viZion> i got Audigy 2
<mameluke> data search for something called Terminal or Shell.. its in the menue
<rapha> viZion: mixers turned right up, unmuted, plenty perms on /dev/{dsp,mixer}, gstreamer unable to make an ALSA pipe?
<black_Nightmare> LOL Pingus -- damn I remember lemmings some years ago :">
<viZion> no mutes for sure
<supos> Is it possible to install Hoary without installing Warty first and then dist-upgrading?
<crimsun> rapha: is esd or polypaudio running?
<schasi> of course supos, there are cds for it
<data> mameluke found it opened it
<mameluke> ok... then type df -H
<schasi> supos: Just look in the topic
<rapha> crimsun: Don't think sound servers here. Even cat'ing to /dev/dsp doesn't do a thing.
<claint> viZion : ill just give you the lines, it is going to be easier than finding a page.
<mameluke> data if you don't know how to use a shell you are lost with linux
<viZion> ok thanx claint
<crimsun> rapha: not a good test
<data> mameluke only show the hdd that i installed linux on
<rapha> crimsun: I suspect it to be an ALSA problem, but I'm not sure. Foresight Desktop Linux behaves like Hoary.
<mameluke> data there are several turtorials in the web how tu use shell's
<crimsun> rapha: does aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav work?
<rapha> crimsun: Warty plays just fine.
<rapha> crimsun: Didn't try aplay yet, but I'll give it a spin... second
<Shambler> does ne1 know, how i can remove that "debian" menu folder in gnome?
<mameluke> data can u paste it in my query?
<crimsun> Shambler: remove the menu and menu-xdg packages
<supos> schasi: Doh! thanks a lot. I'm coming from Debian, where there are no official cds for upcoming releases (at least not the last time I wanted to install one)
<claint> hi
<schasi> supos: I know im running debian atm
<Shambler> crimsun: thx!
<topyl1> hrmpf. how do i kill topyl1? it's a zombie of myself :\
<Albacker> http://albacker.spymac.net/emacs.png <what's the problem here ?
<topyl1> oh, that's who i am currently. topyli is the zombie :)
<supos> schasi: Me too, this is my parents' computer, and I thought Ubuntu would be a nice choice for them
<black_Nightmare> do I quite need to get 256mb of ram before I install ubuntu or not quite so?
<rapha> crimsun: Okay, doesn't work like expected. It *appears* to be working, there's just no audible output.
<niciqy> I am using Ubuntu virtual PC, samba able to see other network PC but not the one it is running on. Why??
<resiak> rapha: Have you used alsamixer (or similar) to unmute things?
<rapha> resiak: Like I said above, I unmuted every freaking control I could find.
<mjr> black_Nightmare, not quite
<resiak> rapha: Sorry, wasn't watching.
<rapha> resiak: nm :)
<black_Nightmare> mjr hmm so I could try install now then put the 2nd 128mb stick in at later date when I locate one?
<niciqy> I am using Ubuntu virtual PC, samba able to see other network PC but not the one it is running on. Why?? could it be a port problem??
<mjr> black_Nightmare, sure
<schasi> supos: Why do you use hoary then?
<black_Nightmare> ty mjr..I'll just have to clear up the hardwares inside the box then...ughh find my mointor for it lol
<mjr> black_Nightmare, should be fine; gnome will probably get snappier with the other stick in, but it shouldn't be unusable with just 128
<black_Nightmare> mjr....correct me if I'm wrong but linux uses virtual ram as a small partition?
<rapha> crimsun: No further ideas?
<mjr> black_Nightmare, well, you're half right; Linux can use either partitions or files for swapping (or more correctly, paging, but swapping it calls it...)
<mjr> black_Nightmare, usually installers want to create swap partitions
<arek> black_Nightmare: yes at boot time, initrd
<supos> schasi: I'm not, I just wanted to try it out, to see what it's like
<crimsun> rapha: I recommend you build 1.0.8 from universe's alsa-source
<black_Nightmare> hmm....
<crimsun> rapha: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) fakeroot kernel-package
<crimsun> rapha: sudo adduser $USER src
<arek> black_Nightmare: you can mount part of your ram any time you want
<crimsun> rapha: sudo apt-get install alsa-source
<black_Nightmare> boot partition, home partition, swap partition .. am I missing any more partitions? :p
<mjr> hmm, one of us is confused
<crimsun> rapha: then read the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
<teleyinex> hi
<black_Nightmare> arek.. 'mount part of your ram' .. really?  do you mean like you can unmount sticks?
<teleyinex> im trying to use mutt in my console
<mjr> black_Nightmare, you were talking about swap, right, not ram disks which arek talks about? :)
<mjr> right
<teleyinex> in framebuffer
<teleyinex> but i get lots of strange characters due to UTF8
<black_Nightmare> hm thats interesting..I always thought about drives and extra cpu being unmounted but never ram
<teleyinex> but if i do a ls i dont see my utf8 folders
<teleyinex> how can i fix it
<teleyinex> im in hoary
<arek> you can separate part of your ram and use it same as harddrive or a stick
<mjr> black_Nightmare, well, if by boot you mean /boot, then you want root, but really, I'd just go with one root partition and one swap partition and avoid most of that partition mess...
<niciqy> can anyone help me###?
<black_Nightmare> mjr...oh ok so the boot partition isn't a necessary thing?
<arek> using it as swap  got no sens though
<HappyPills> dagnamnit... ndiswrapper won't install without the kernel source and the version designed for ubuntu is incompatible with my card =(
<mjr> black_Nightmare, with older hardware it is, in cases where the BIOS can't see the whole disk
<arek> with new udev its also necessary
<black_Nightmare> mjr...I know mine bios can (beside 2.5gb's?  only an AT bios might not be able to see that)
<mjr> black_Nightmare, if that's the case for you then you do want a separate /boot somewhere where the bios can find it (typically, at the start of disk)
* black_Nightmare chuckles
<mjr> black_Nightmare, then you don't need a separate /boot
<black_Nightmare> oh so just the main root and a swap partition?
<mjr> that's what I'd recommend for a typical workstation, yes
<mjr> there might be some arguments for /home (but then again, some against)
<arek> with time everyone separates /var /home / and /boot
<mjr> incorrect
<teleyinex> noone has problems with utf8?
<mjr> I used to do that back when Linux was young, but there's really no point for a workstation. For a server, maybe.
<rapha> crimsun: I'll try...
<mjr> teleyinex, not notably (slrn needs screen's conversion though, grr ;/ )
<teleyinex> mjr  i cant read my mails trough mutt
<teleyinex> i only see weird characters
<teleyinex> how can i make that via ssh to my pc i can use utf8
<black_Nightmare> any of you heard of lincity? :p
<mjr> black_Nightmare, yah, it was fun for a while
<mjr> teleyinex, you need to tell your local ssh client (or the terminal emulator it's run in) to use it too
<mjr> sadly, ssh doesn't negotiate character sets
<teleyinex> how?
<mjr> teleyinex, depends, what're you using?
<teleyinex> im using now putty
<black_Nightmare> mjr - I never thought there would be something more areal than simcity -- having to look after the tiny details
<resiak> teleyinex: Look in its Translations option bit.
<mjr> well, putty should support utf8, see the preferences
<black_Nightmare> simcity 2K = okay for city building but not as real, simtown = well a tad real but you don't even have construction features at all, etc
<teleyinex> ok
<teleyinex> wait a sec
<black_Nightmare> guess I'll have to try lincity too..lol
<mjr> curiosity: there was a linux port of the official simcity semi-available in the mid-90's
* mameluke goes for a walk in the sunshine
<mameluke> bb
<teleyinex> thanks a lot mj4
<teleyinex> thanks a lot mjr
<teleyinex> you have save me
<teleyinex> pardon safe me
<teleyinex> ;)
<black_Nightmare> mjr well the lincity screenshot seem to make thing look so real -- you have to actually look after your own material supply&demand.. even with ore too
<black_Nightmare> interesting hehe
<onno> how do you output this in a file "ls /var | ????
<mattgirv> like transport tycoon then?
<onno> what should be on ????
<teleyinex> cya
<mattgirv> i think A-Train was the most complex and fun, but it was severely underrated :(
<black_Nightmare> matt... a-train I remembered the very old maxis.com site where I downloaded the atrain slideshow demo and kept using it several times on an old 386 ... father said he asked several stores to no luck these days....
<mattgirv> hehe
<mattgirv> yeah it had very high requirements
<mattgirv> i still have it, for the amiga though.
<da_bon_bon> does slackware display a message on every login ?
<da_bon_bon> how does slackware display a message on every login ?
<claint> what do you mean?
<black_Nightmare> fastforward to around a year ago... aunt (grandfather's sister) already had a laptop and was starting to add more things to it so somehow that long-unused 386 finally had to go and so I took it home to diassemble [and I wasn't a kid anymore, go figure] 
<resiak> da_bon_bon: #slackware ?
<black_Nightmare> and I found the old a-train demo left on the hd...but seeing its uselessness I deleted it
<mattgirv> lol
<claint> da_bon_bon : you mean a message at the login prompt or a message after you login?
<mattgirv> i still play it now, and elite/frontier elite
<black_Nightmare> but somehow a-train still kinda lingered a tad bit in my mind..and when I was looking at a hotline for 68k/ppc I found a mac version of a-train so decided to try it
<mattgirv> hehe, all still very fun
<da_bon_bon> claint: after login
<spacey> he should go to #slackware
<black_Nightmare> only played about a hour max then deleted it...being glad I did not really buy it
<da_bon_bon> resiak: oh VERY sorry, selected the wrong tab.. sorry
<claint> da_bon_bon : you mean something different each time?
<black_Nightmare> it just wasn't much fun at all trying to figure out how things actually worked
<black_Nightmare> go figure
<mattgirv> black_Nightmare: yeah you seriously have to put a lot of time into it
<mattgirv> for it to actually be enjoyable :/
<da_bon_bon> claint: yes. kindova a MOTD
<claint> elite rocked. considering it was done in assmbly.
<black_Nightmare> matt....well eh not my kind anyhow
<mattgirv> hehe
<claint> i mean even elite frontier was done in assembly.
<black_Nightmare> simcity 2000 collection cd = for the ppc ... was quite nice especially the construction kit
<mattgirv> frontier elite 2, was also superb but it simply was too slow on the amiga :(
<mattgirv> and the pc for that matter
<mattgirv> black_Nightmare: Yeah, urban renewal kit :D
<mattgirv> lol
<claint> da_bon_bon : that is fortune. if you put it in your login scripts, you can see it everytime you login, no matter which distro you got,
<claint> da_bon_bon : slack has it by default.
<black_Nightmare> matt...the weird thing was that the cd jewel shows windows graphic on rear but the cd ONLY works on the mac
<gsuveg> re
<mattgirv> lol
<black_Nightmare> I never could even locate a 'collection cd' for the pc so I'm thinking I have a rare cd :)
<gsuveg> whats vncserver is good for hoary ?
<mattgirv> OpenTTD is great though
<da_bon_bon> claint: how do i get it in ubuntu ?
<mattgirv> Nah i got the collection cd
<mattgirv> :P
<black_Nightmare> oh and matt.. 'x-wing collection cd' also mac-only as well.  even for a road apple 100mhz the game runs full blaze speed...heh :)
<mattgirv> i know what happened as well, apprently it shipped with a LOT of major bugs and they pulled it from shelves,
<black_Nightmare> but I also never play that one much anymore for some reason
<mattgirv> then released it as budget a few years later
<mattgirv> hehe i got X-Wing for the pc,
<claint> type 'fortune' from a terminal to see if you got it first. if not, apt-get
<mattgirv> and the prima game guide lol
<mattgirv> http://www.openttd.com/
<black_Nightmare> matt....how about simtower and simfarm? two nice simple games on the mac
<mattgirv> Didn't like Simfarm
<mattgirv> and Simtower was too simple :P
<black_Nightmare> you're weird
<mattgirv> what about simearth and simant
<black_Nightmare> I had fun trying to run an animal-only farm several times
<mattgirv> simearth sucked, but simant was amusing
<onno> how do you pipe output to a file?
<black_Nightmare> trying to sell when the animal's value were higher
<mattgirv> lol
<queuetue> My microphone is *very very very* low.  It's a decent quality boom headset mic, and works fine on other systems, so I'm blaming software or hardware on this machine.  Can anyone suggest anything to make kphone useable?
<black_Nightmare> simtower -- still never could quite get the hang of it yet...mostly 2 or 3 star towers yet
<black_Nightmare> I'm like having a difficult time trying to figure good traffic pattern for OFFICES...jeeze
<black_Nightmare> they oftenly jam my elevators to the limit....I still have to try get it right one tower one day
* black_Nightmare rolls eyes
<mattgirv> hehe
<black_Nightmare> matt...you know how offices are like?  its heavy rush hour in morning and afternoon
<black_Nightmare> and to make it worser sometimes the restaurant and condo want to share the same elevator at same time
<ccelio> onno, command | tee file
<onno> cannot do man |
<black_Nightmare> matt... Test Drive?
<brrrt> hello, does anyone know if the current hoary em8300 packages support 2.6 kernel?
<mattgirv> yeah test drive is great
<mattgirv> especially... Test Drive : The Duel!
<mattgirv> :D
<ccelio> onno, ex: ls -l | tee file-list.txt
<black_Nightmare> Test Drive 4 here.  got Test Drive 5 for some time but never quite liked it including was a bit more difficult to control so some time later finally sold it away
<onno> ok thanxs
<ccelio> onno, you are welcome :-)
<black_Nightmare> liked some of the cheats in Test Drive 4..especially one where all racers are made r/c-sized LOL (it looks very funny racing from a tiny view)
<onno> sorry I need to learn and keep forgetting :)
<black_Nightmare> once I tried that cheat AND turned traffic on..man you should see how crazy it was trying to avoid tires and slamming straight underneath vehicles too
<black_Nightmare> :p
<onno> see ya.. rebooting and reinstalling!
<mattgirv> lol. hey! do you remember streets of simcity?
<mattgirv> :)
<black_Nightmare> saw that but never got it
<mattgirv> damn it is great
<black_Nightmare> played simcopter at someone's like 2-3 times for a short time each thou
<kent> Will there be any differences if I upgrade to  final Hoary from Warty (has been using Hoary for some time now), or if I do a new installation of Hoary ?
<mattgirv> simcopter is cool :)
<mattgirv> kent: I would recommend a new installation but that is just personal preference.
<M_Fatih> hi all
<kent> mattgirv, and why would you recommand it?  Sorry if i ask stupid questions, its just that Im curios about how it works. If there can be differences from an upgrade compared to a new installation.
<M_Fatih> i want to disable apache's autoindex, i installed & using apache2, i can't find autoindex.so or configuration section :(
<M_Fatih> can i do it  another way?
<mattgirv> i just think when it is a completely new build of the distro, with a significant amount of changes, such as going from X11 to Xorg, and other major package updates, its safer for your configuration and more likely to work from installing from scratch
<mattgirv> xorg acted up when i upgraded from warty,
<black_Nightmare> one question...
<black_Nightmare> all of these lib* files ... are they like self install or I'll have to learn how to install them myself?
<nici> can someone help me with Samba?
<mattgirv> ? :)
<ubuntu> I'm currently booted up onto a livecd, how would I save my settings (like knoppix can) ?
<mattgirv> what lib files? :)
<mjr> I recommend an upgrade to hoary; I didn't have X server trouble and if mattgirv did, it was probably on account of hoary not being stable yet
<black_Nightmare> matt...any
<mjr> (upgrade when it's done, that is)
<mjr> (as opposed to fresh install)
<dmoyne> during updating from warty to hoary I collected this error message :
<mattgirv> you use synaptic anyway mostly, if not you use debs/rpm>deb so it installs it more or less automatically
<dmoyne> Cleaning up category truetype..
<dmoyne> Unpacking replacement x-ttcidfont-conf ...
<dmoyne> Errors were encountered while processing:
<dmoyne>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
<dmoyne> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
<dmoyne> what do I do
<mattgirv> :O:O
<mjr> black_Nightmare, libraries are pretty much automatically installed when needed
<deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
<kent> mjr, mattgirv, dont get me wrong. I already run Hoary and it works for me. Its just that I was wondering if it would be any differences (like in the configuration-files etc) that will differ now if i continue to use my upgraded Hoary (and final hoary), that is.. if there would be differences from my hoary and a fresh install of hoary.
<deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get remove -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
<deFrysk> sorry
<black_Nightmare> mjr...hmm so things like these http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libs/libpango1.0-0 would be auto-installed when a program needs them?
<mattgirv> kent: ahh, i thought you were upgrading warty>hoary... no dont worry then, i assume it will just be minor package updates from now on
<mjr> kent, ah, dunno
<dmoyne> I get this : Command line option 'p' [from -p]  is not known.
<mjr> black_Nightmare, yes, if you're using apt-get / synaptic for installing stuff
<mattgirv> if you arent you can search for libpangol on synaptic
<mjr> black_Nightmare, mostly you'd need to manually install them if you want to compile some non-debian source packages
<mattgirv> or search google for a deb, then alien -i blahblah.deb :)
<andreiz> hi guys. my firefox 1.0.1 does not initiate the download manager if i click on a link. the current workarround is selecting <open with...> and getting the files from /tmp. do you have this problem too ?
<mjr> black_Nightmare, or install non-deb binary clunks
<black_Nightmare> mjr oh ok ty..was curious about this http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/gnome/abiword anyhow
<mattgirv> andreiz: i think that is a bug, on bugzilla but im not sure
<andreiz> mattgirv. thanks.
<mjr> black_Nightmare, yah, that's a list of packages that installing abiword will pull in (if they're not already present)
<black_Nightmare> ty mjr
<mattgirv> yep, just apt-get install abiword
<mattgirv> should work
<dmoyne> to deFrysk  :I get this : Command line option 'p' [from -p]  is not known !
<ubuntu> I'm currently booted up onto a livecd, how would I save my settings (like knoppix can) ?
<mattgirv> or apt-get install abiword-common
<mjr> most of them probably are already installed; pretty basic stuff
<deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get remove -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
<black_Nightmare> matt...do I need internet connection or does the abiword download include the libs?
<mattgirv> you need an internet connection :)
<mattgirv> because it downloads the packages and dependencies for you :)
<dmoyne> to deFrysk sorry to insist I get this  :E: Command line option 'p' [from -p]  is not known.
<black_Nightmare> oh ughh....remind me to leave the computer here for the time being next to cable modem till I'm sure I got everything I need
<viZion> claint
<deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
<deFrysk> I think :s
<mjr> yeah, an internet connection is preferred (though if all the dependencies are available on apt-indexed CD-ROMs, that'll work too)
<black_Nightmare> since it'll be going on dialup for time being under my own useage
<viZion> still error 12
<mina_linux_Tux> got this error Kernel panic attempted to kill init while Im trying to run the Live CD, may i know what the reason or it's not the place to ask about that
<kent> when will Ubuntu.com change the style of the homapge?
<dmoyne> to deFrysk : woks and then how to resume update ? ; thanks
<deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get install mozilla-firefox
<deFrysk> apt-get dist-upgrade
<black_Nightmare> mjr...I guess that I could grab the main programs I need (like abiword) on family's cable then any minor things I need later on (1-3 libs or something) I could just hook up dialup connection for these
<black_Nightmare> what you think?
<mina_linux_Tux> helloooooooooo anybody there can answer me ?
<viZion> deFrysk fryslan boppe?
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  hello, what was your question?
<brrrt> hello, any dxr3 users here?
<mattgirv> black_Nightmare: when you get abiword it will get the libs and dependencies at the same time, so i guess just do it now while you are on cable
<deFrysk> viZion, eah
<deFrysk> y
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: got this error Kernel panic attempted to kill init while Im trying to run the Live CD, may i know what the reason or it's not the place to ask about that
<black_Nightmare> matt..yeah thats what I thought.  ty
<beloDRAK> I've lost my Xfce panel, someone knows, what to do?
<deFrysk> beloDRAK, #xcfe
<desplesda> can you tell me the last few lines displayed before the kernel panic?
<mina_linux_Tux> some memory addresses
<desplesda> that doesn't tell me much, but have you tried any other live cds?
<desplesda> is the error reproducible with other distros?
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: no
<desplesda> is anybody here a livecd maintainer? :)
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: i didn't try other distro nor live distro
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: may i ask what is the main issue that causes a kernel panic
<desplesda> a kernel panic is a major error within the kernel
<black_Nightmare> one question.....
<Spooks> G'day all
<black_Nightmare> could ubuntu use a custom controller?  like say a homemade keypad plugged to serial port?
<desplesda> basically it's an error that the kernel can't recover from
<black_Nightmare> just curious since ubuntu isn't close-sourced so I can't see why can't figure develop serial drivers
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: what if this pc is restarting when runing windows and logged on the net is it a subject of memory ?
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  are you saying that it randomly reboots while in windows?
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: yes
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  that sounds like it could possibly be bad ram
<BobaFett> mina_linux_Tux: try changing ram modules...
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: what do you mean by dab ram .. what's wrong with it
<black_Nightmare> hmm..anyone? heh :)
<BobaFett> mina_linux_Tux: or run a memory test-app, to check your ram...if the problem persists, try switching mobos
<calc> black_Nightmare: yes its fairly straight forward to write kernel drivers
<black_Nightmare> calc...hmm ty
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  ram can break, like any other component of a computer. ram usually is damaged by electrostatic discharges
<black_Nightmare> brb...I'm wondering about something else :)
<calc> black_Nightmare: oreilly has a few books that might be useful to read
<calc> black_Nightmare: understanding linux kernel and linux device drivers
* calc bbl
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  when you boot up the ubuntu livecd you should be presented with a 'memtest' option in that boot menu
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  give that a run and see what it turns up
<dmoyne> to deFrysk : I collected this at the very end : Errors were encountered while processing:
<dmoyne>  kdepim-doc-html
<dmoyne> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  i should warn you that it might take a while :)
<dmoyne> Can this be fixed ! ; thanks
<deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get -f sinstall
<deFrysk> dmoyne, apt-get -f install
<deFrysk> i mean
<cusco> apt hs ssuper cow powers
<cusco> lol
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if it returns any errors, you may need to replace some or all of your ram
<ubuntu> is it possible to save your custom settings on a livecd like knoppix can ?
<calc> black_Nightmare: actually for devices just using a serial port you can communicate with them via a serial library like pyserial for python
<black_Nightmare> calc..well thats only half of it...
<black_Nightmare> the other half is figuring some kind of chip/chipset to have several keys sent through just one data line [a bit like what PS/2 already does] 
<black_Nightmare> could be fun to have your own custom keyboard control for your ubuntu computer hehe
<calc> ah ok i didn't realize you were designing the serial device to be used ;)
<deFrysk> ubuntu, save settings on a read only device is a hard thing to do
* calc gone to work, bbl
<black_Nightmare> bye then calc and ty anyhow
<black_Nightmare> defry..I would say if you need to save something..maybe how about plug an ide>CF adapter for few bucks in then buy any cheap CF card and there? :p
<ubuntu> deFrysk> knoppix has an option to save settings to a writtable device, and pick them up on next reboot
<deFrysk> ubuntu, ok I see
<Dr_Willis> knoppix can be so handy
<ubuntu> I thought the ubuntu livecds were based on knoppix ?
<sianis> hi al
<mjr> gnoppix, I think. And now gnoppix is based on Ubuntu :)
<mjr> full circle
<Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  not sure - but 'based' on - can be room fr a lot of changes.
<Dr_Willis> a lot of those live cd's have a 'scan for a home dir' type featre that they can make on a usb thumb drive.
<ubuntu> are there any remastering howtos, or cvs/svn repositories, for the livecds ?
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  are you there?
<mijndert> Hi. Does anybody know if the Yamaha YMF715 sound card works in Ubuntu Hoary ?
<mattgirv> Can I use Evolution as a newsreader?
<Seveas> mattgirv, yes
<mattgirv> Is it the best app (GTK) for newsreading
<Seveas> nope :)
<mattgirv> or is there a better alternative
<ubuntu> mijndert> I think that might be the snd-ymfpci ALSA module... so quite likely yes
<Seveas> i would like to suggest pan
<mattgirv> ahh, can you recommend me one please :)
<mattgirv> ok
<mijndert> ubuntu, okay.. My SiS chip doesn't work, but I do have the yamaha sound card :) gonna try that
<Seveas> looks a bit like agent or dialog under windows
<mattgirv> Where can I get a free news server from? :P
<ubuntu> mijndert> yeah, modprobe that driver and it just might work
<matthew> anyone know how to make the gnome torretn work on hoary
<Seveas> hmm, that depends on your interests
<mijndert> ubuntu, thank you for your help :)
<desplesda> mijndert:  according to modinfo the ymfpci driver suppers 'YMF7xx' cards
<mattgirv> Not for downloading ;)
<Seveas> mattgirv, one sec
<dmoyne> to deFysk on apt-get -f install I still collect this :
<mijndert> cool :D
<dmoyne> ......
<dmoyne> Setting up kdepim-doc-html (3.4.0-0ubuntu3) ...
<dmoyne> cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kcontrol/kalarmd/.dhelp': No such file or directory
<dmoyne> dpkg: error processing kdepim-doc-html (--configure):
<dmoyne>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
<dmoyne> Errors were encountered while processing:
<dmoyne>  kdepim-doc-html
<dmoyne> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
<desplesda> supports* :P
<Xappe> hmm, i'm doing a reinstall of Hoary. any issues with the array7 cd?
<mattgirv> Seveas: Sure :)
<matthew> anyone know how to make the gnome torretn work on hoary
<Seveas> mattgirv, there is a german university that has a free newsserver (wich is very good), but i cant't remember which one it is
<mattgirv> bummer
<mattgirv> ok
<BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth / mac on linux?
<sianis> use someby ubuntu on laptop?
<matthew> anyone know how to make the gnome torretn work on hoary
<dwa_> yes sianis
<desplesda> sianis:  here :)
<Seveas> mattgirv, news.individual.net (go to the web site first, registration required)
<sianis> :)
<dwa_> matthew : worked out of the box for me
<desplesda> mattgirv:  please explain your question, are you getting any errors?
<sianis> so i say my probleme:
<desplesda> err
<desplesda> sorry
<mattgirv> Seveas: Ok thanks
<da_bon_bon> sianis: which is ur main language ?!
<matthew> hmmm, I even downloaded from the repository
<desplesda> matthew:  are you getting any erros
<mattgirv> desplesda: np :P
<desplesda> errors
<sianis> when i close my laptop scren
<Nikki> Hi :)
<desplesda> damn tab completion :P
<Nikki> just got my Ubuntu CD's today !
<sianis> the ubuntu is start the screen lock
<sianis> it's not too good
<xerox> How do I install Sun's java in ubuntu?
<matthew> no but when I click on it it says "open l;ocation for bit torrent meta file
<desplesda> matthew:  when you click on a .torrent file?
<mattgirv> Seveas: hmm you have to pay for this :(
<SiRrUs> xerox check out www.ubuntuguide.org
<sianis> can i set ubuntu, don't lock the scrren?
<matthew> no when I go to applications>Internet>gnome torrent
<dmoyne> to deFrysk : I will reboot and first see how all this behaves ; get in touch after !
<Dr_Willis> sianis,  you mean when you boot the Installer?
<desplesda> matthew:  yes, when you start gnome-torrent you need to give it a .torrent file to work with
<desplesda> matthew:  are you trying to create a .torrent file?
<matthew> hmmm what do you mean where do i get one of those?
<matthew> no I want to use it to find music to be honest
<Dr_Willis> http://www.legaltorrents.com/
<sianis> Willis: I don't understand
<desplesda> matthew: gnome-torrent isnt a peer to peer directory program
<sianis> the ubuntu is installed
<sianis> and when close the screen
<matthew> desplesda: ok so do you know where I can get one?
<desplesda> matthew: you need to find the torrents yourself, all gnome-torrent does for you is download them
<sianis> the ubuntu is locked the screen
<Seveas> mattgirv, what??
<sianis> and i don't need this function
<M_Fatih> how can i see programs versions?
<Dr_Willis> 'when close the screen . the ubuntu is locked the screen' --> makes NO sence to me..
<Seveas> mattgirv, sorry, didn't use it for quite some time
<M_Fatih> installed & @apt
<Seveas> i see it now
<desplesda> matthew:  i'm not going to tell you where to find copyright infringing files :) this is an ubuntu help channel
<ubuntu> Dr_Willis> he probably means when the screen blanker kicks in it's password protected
<mattgirv> Seveas: no prob
<Dr_Willis> desplesda,  thats why i posted the legal torrents file. :P
<desplesda> Dr_Willis:  :D
<matthew> ahhh ok
<Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  thats what im finially wondering.. :P  but  who can tell.
<desplesda> matthew:  if you want to listen to music, you can listen to internet radio using the Music Player application
<ubuntu> Dr_Willis> I don't use gnome so I have no idea where that config option is
<sianis> ubuntu what are you using?
<Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  its under the desktop options.  I belive - same general location as windows. Lol.. Or under its own menu in the pref.. not hidden by any mean, :P
<desplesda> matthew:  the legal torrents site that Dr_Willis posted could also have some content that you might like
<Dr_Willis> seems to be a lot of Techno Music at that site.
<xerox> SiRrUs: thank you.
<ubuntu> sianis> I'm booted up on kunbuntu at the moment... that's why I'm called "ubuntu"... that was the default in konversation
<desplesda> matthew:  but if you're looking for mp3z then i'm afraid we can't help you :)
<matthew> ok thanks
<vaijr2002> hi everyone
<vaijr2002> can someone help me get xmms running correctly please
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  hi there
<desplesda> what seems to be the trouble?
<vaijr2002> hiya desplesda
<Dr_Willis> you normally dont use a Torrent file/client to get mp3's anyway :P
<vaijr2002> wont play mp3
<vaijr2002> s
<desplesda> have you just recently installed ubuntu?
<vaijr2002> yes
<dmoyne> to deFrysk : boot with no problem but on "apt-get -f install" I still have that ridiculous mesage : "cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kcontrol/kalarmd/.dhelp': No such file or directory" and kalarmd does not exist as proposed !
<Dr_Willis> vaijr2002,  i belive theres some extra package ya intall an it will start doing it.. but i forget what one.
<desplesda> you'll need to download some extra multimedia codecs
<vaijr2002> i got the mpeg123 codec
<Ingenu_ubuntu> quick question, how do I mount my HDDs (just launched the LiveCD)
<ubuntu> Ingenu_ubuntu> heh, I thought you might be... I already got the nick :-)
<tanek> Ingenu_ubuntu: sudo mount -t filesystem /dev/hdxy /mount/point
<tanek> ?
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  i don't know what codec is needed for xmms, but if you are willing to use RhythmBox then http://www.ubuntuguide.org will help
<Ingenu_ubuntu> :)
<da_bon_bon> Ingenu_ubuntu: mount -t XX /dev/XXX /mntXXX
<vaijr2002> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  that's right
<vaijr2002> there go read how to mount... i did
<Ingenu_ubuntu> is there a way to auto mount all recognized disks at boot ?
<vaijr2002> yes read
<tanek> modify /etc/fstab
<vaijr2002> everything is on that page
<vaijr2002> and ya dont have to modify fstab you can do it from term
<Ingenu_ubuntu> ok
<ubuntu> Ingenu_ubuntu> you need to add entries to /etc/fstab... read the above site
<vaijr2002> dont mod fstab unless ya know what ya doing. i goofed mine up like 4 times hehe
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  have you set up apt-get or synaptic to use the 'universe' repository?
<BigIslandVegan> it seems that it could be a while before airport extreme and that chipset is supported in linux, therefore it would be great if the bluetooth net access tools were more friendly and intuitive...would be great to have that as a default install for ubuntu hoary ppc so there is some way to get online wirelessly for mac people
<vaijr2002> not sure if i did that right desplesda
<dmoyne> to deFrysk : I have" kalarm" but no" kalarmd" in that location !
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  follow the 'add extra repositories' information at ubuntuguide.org
<vaijr2002> ok yeah i did add one
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  then run sudo apt-get install xmms-mad
<tanek> is xmms-mad avaliable in universe? cool, i had to get mine from rpmseek :P
<vaijr2002> Reading Package Lists... Done
<vaijr2002> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<vaijr2002> E: Couldn't find package xmms-mad
<desplesda> ok then
<desplesda> i can link you to the direct download link
<vaijr2002> guess i dont have the right repository in there
<desplesda> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/sound/xmms-mad
<desplesda> you can download the .deb file manually
<desplesda> once you have it run `sudo dpkg -i xmms-mad*.deb`
<ondrej> php4-pear from security team is broken (empty deb), since it's in universe, who should I bother? :-)
<vaijr2002> sudo dpkg -i xmms-mad*.deb
<vaijr2002> dpkg: error processing xmms-mad*.deb (--install):
<vaijr2002>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
<vaijr2002> Errors were encountered while processing:
<vaijr2002>  xmms-mad*.deb
<vaijr2002> do i have to nav to that dir first
<desplesda> yes you do
<tanek> yes
<Dr_Willis> well yes. :P
<vaijr2002> ok hehe brb
<nvashi> hehe
<desplesda> :D
<ondrej> 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7 is fine (size of .deb is 324K), 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.5 is empty (87K)
<encon> i run 2 X sessions at once as different users and i want both users to have access to sound at the moment its who ever plays sound first has access to sound how can i fix this issue
<desplesda> encon:  are you running a sound mixing daemon like esound or polypaudio?
<encon> tried esound, polypaudio and dmix alsa
<desplesda> hmm, i don't know then :/
<vaijr2002> almost got it
<vaijr2002> damn dep's
<vaijr2002> brb
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  you can try fixing the dependencies using synaptic
<desplesda> run synaptic and tell it to 'fix broken packages'
<desplesda> it should download any dependencies you need
<vaijr2002> ok its installed
<vaijr2002> i just got the dep files
<vaijr2002> lib files
<Ingenu_ubuntu> mmmh is there no mp3 player on the liveCD ?
<vaijr2002> do i run it like regular
<Myrtti> fill up the gaps in my memory. What other packaging stuff I need than unrar?
<desplesda> yup
<Myrtti> besides those already installed
<vaijr2002> so its not called xmms-mad right
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  no, run it as xmms
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  xmms-mad is just a plugin
<Myrtti> unace
<vaijr2002> ok
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  are you sure you added the universe repository, i can see the xmms-mad package in my list and all i've listed are the main restricted and universe repositories
<vaijr2002> think so
<vaijr2002> it shows the plugin in the player but i still get no sound
<vaijr2002> config'd it too
<vaijr2002> hmm
<markc> das better
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  got polypaudio or esound running? you may need to set xmms to run through whatever mixing daemon you may be running
<vaijr2002> hmm
<vaijr2002> dunno if they are running
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, set sound in mplayerplugin.conf to esd
<deFrysk> should work fine then
<mastertet> Hello, I want to build e17 form cvs, I get many errors from ./autogen.sh. What packages do I need to install so I can build software from cvs?
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: are you there
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  hello!
<mattgirv> so has anyone managed to get compositing working with ATI cards (at a decent speed , w/o loss of 3d acceleration) ?
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, add this line to it : ao=esd
<vaijr2002> whats the diff between the oss mixer and alsa
<memsoft> hi everybody
<vaijr2002> add that line to what?
<desplesda> vaijr2002:  different plugin system; oss is deprecated
<nvashi2> hello
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: sorry disconnected , you told me bad memory .. so and someone else said i have to change the ram module .. may i ask what is bad in ram and changing my ram module means chaging the system's rams ?
<memsoft> im new ubuntu user
<Spooks> Hooray for Memsoft!
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  ram can be damaged with static electricity
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf
<memsoft> what is root pass ??
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if the ram is damaged then the system may be unstable
<deFrysk> memsoft, ubuntu uses sudo
<vaijr2002> oh ok
<vaijr2002> brb
<desplesda> memsoft: there isnt one, just use `sudo whatever_command`
<memsoft> thanks
<desplesda> memsoft:  you'll need to type in your user password
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if the ram is damaged then you'll need to replace it
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: and the issue of restarting is that let you think in ram .. ? if yes why ?
<vaijr2002> i dont have that mplayerplug-in.conf file
<vaijr2002> plus my mplayer doesnt work right either
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, in hoary ?
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  to check your ram, boot up the ubuntu live cd and choose the 'MemTest' option
<supos> has anyone been able to edit the application menu in Hoary?
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  the issue of your windows restarting may be due to ram - if windows has trouble with ram, it will just reboot
<vaijr2002> um not sure if its hoary or warty
<vaijr2002> lol
<deFrysk> uname -r
<deFrysk> vaijr2002,
<vaijr2002> could be a bios setting too
<deFrysk> do that
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: MemTest what it does .. ? and how
<vaijr2002> mina
<vaijr2002> i had my processor jumper /multipliers wrong and that caused reboots
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  MemTest just runs some checks on your ram
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, uname -r
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  if there's anything wrong with your ram, MemTest will probably pick it up
<vaijr2002> 2.6.10-4-386
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, thats a hoary
<vaijr2002> ok
<vaijr2002> is that better than warty
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  from what you've told me it sounds like your problem is the ram; if that's right then you'll need to replace some or all of your ram
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: why windows reboot due to bad ram .. what lets it reboot and do you have a pointer for a guide on it .. or just
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, did you install mplayer with apt
<vaijr2002> no
<vaijr2002> buddy did it for me
<deFrysk> o
<deFrysk> then I cannot help you
<nvashi2> ah who is delta and why they spammimng me with porn link???
<vaijr2002> when i try to open a move it flashes for a sec then crashes
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, you should have used apt
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  this site may help you
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1565
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda: or just use MemTest to check ?
<vaijr2002> probably
<vaijr2002> me newbie to linux kinda
<vaijr2002> went from suse 9.2 to gentoo to this lol
<vaijr2002> so far this is the easiest
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  it only refers to windows, but it should help you check
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  MemTest will probably help too
<deFrysk> and next time use the apropiate debs
<mina_linux_Tux> desplesda:ok :) thanks in advance man
<desplesda> mina_linux_Tux:  no problem :)
<vaijr2002> ok
<vaijr2002> thanks defrysk
<deFrysk> vaijr2002, make sure to use the info to hoary , not warty
<vaijr2002> ok thanks
<vaijr2002> gah now if i could get my system to not lag so much lol
* black_Nightmare needs to clear up the case to power it on again...and find a 2nd 128mb ram .. and get my mointor in.....and figure where the mouse is now.....etc LOL
<Dr_Willis> put it on a high shelf.. that way the packets can run downhill.
<vaijr2002> not sure if i goofed or not i run an amd athlon xp 2500+ think i got the right distro lol
<vaijr2002> said for pent and athlong
<vaijr2002> lol
<vaijr2002> hiya Willis
<vaijr2002> can you tweak ubuntu to run faster?
<vaijr2002> like change run levels and stuffs?
<spacey> vaijr2002, AFAIK they already tweaked it in hoary
<rapha> cd /etc; for i in rc*.d; do (cd $i; mv * /dev/null; ln -s /bin/bash S01shell); done
<vaijr2002> ahh ok
<rapha> Fastest. System. Evva.
<vaijr2002> just laggin a bit
<spacey> rapha, you could just boot in single user mode :)
<rapha> Or that :
<rapha> :)
<vaijr2002> ok me outtie for a bit. gotta go find me a job
<vaijr2002> ttyl take care. have a great day, thanks for the help
<rapha> Good luck vaijr2002!
<vaijr2002> and weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gone bbl
<rapha> ttyl
<spacey> bye bye
<nvashi2> vaijr2002: cya
* Pointwood considers opgrading to Hoary...anyone here running it? 
<dwa_> Pointwood : i think most people here run it
<nvashi2> out the warty now but will be going to hoary soon
<Pointwood> dwa_: is it resonable stable and problemfree?
<dwa_> Pointwood : i've been using it for a while now and it's better then i thought it would be
<Pointwood> k
<jk> Pointwood: mostly...there are a few remaining bugs though
<Pointwood> what are the most annoying bugs left?
<jk> Pointwood: imho https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7711
<Pointwood> ahh...that's kinda annoying
<Pointwood> though a workaround exists
<claint> still annoying.
<dmoyne> to deFysk : can we please conclude on installation drom warty to hoary ?
<invictus> when I do grep "something" I get the entire line as output. is it possible to just get a part of the output? I am grep'ing the output from finger.kernel.org and just want the versionnumber of the kernel instead of the entire line
<Pointwood> so, all I have to do is to switch repositories right?
<mjr> yes
<brrrt> hola ubuntu freaks ;)
<garrut> Pointwood: what's the workaround?
<Pointwood> quote from the bugreport: If I right-click on the file and choose "Save Link As" then the file downloads (everything works as expected.).
<garrut> yeah ok, but nothing to fix the actual problem?
<Pointwood> not that I know of
<Pointwood> but I also just learned about the bug :)
<jjesse> i have a question on installing my wireless card
<jjesse> when i do an sudo ndiswrapper -i ~/windows/WG511v2.INF it says that is is installed already
<jjesse> yet when i do a sudo ndiswrapper -l to list it it doesn't show it installed
<jjesse> hmm hold on i think i may have figured it out
<ring_bearer> greets - How does one reset the gnome-keyring password ? Apologies if this isn't the right forum.
<roltux> is it possible to install ubuntu from bootfloppy's
<deFrysk> um nope roltux (I think)
<Lightboy> hey all i was just wondering how do i use a custom splash screen that i downloaded
<Lightboy> hey all i was just wondering how do i use a custom splash screen that i downloaded
<Spooks> Anyone know what Java package comes with Warty?
<lrojas> how can i install the J2SE platform on Ubuntu Hoary
<lrojas> ?
<black_Nightmare> spooks...I think its not quite offical but you can add sun java
<black_Nightmare> check the wiki pages
<mjr> Spooks, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<Lightboy> DarthFrog: hey hows it going?
<mjr> though there are some java compilers and implementations included, they don't include eg. Java AWT/Swing
<mjr> (jikes, sablevm, kaffe; some of which in universe)
<Spooks> Yeah, I want sun java, just found "java-package" in Synaptic and wondered what the heck it was
<Spooks> ty
<mjr> oh, and gcj/gij of course
<deFrysk> Spooks,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
* Spooks checks them both out
<sh1mmer> hi
<deFrysk> Spooks, mine is the best (for sunjava)
<sh1mmer> what is the best way to request that a package be made for newer version for hoary?
<claint> sh1mmer : best way? make it yourself?
<claint> ;-p
<numb> hey, i'm having a problem, after installing ubuntu i've installed another OS and now i want to now how can i recover the grub
<sh1mmer> the librdf hoary uses is custom because is has been done for python2.4
<sh1mmer> claint if I could...
<sh1mmer> and if I wasn't in such I hurry I might take the time to learn
<padlefot_> hi, can somebody help me?
<sh1mmer> I just assume that since an ubuntu developer has already done a version of librdf for python2.4 on hoary then they might be the best person to make a package for the 1.0.2 version with all the bug fixes
<deFrysk> padlefot, only one way to find out
<padlefot_> my grub crashed
<padlefot_> now all i get when i boot is some wierd grub console
<Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
<giuliano> ho un problema con lascheda ait9600
<padlefot_> i need to replace my new menu.lst list with the old one, i have booted with the live cd but i cant make any changes to the old system
<padlefot_> anyone?
<sianis> bye all
<HappyPills> howdy all... mygod that was a painful experience! ndiswrapper for ubuntu is a biatch to upgrade I've decided! but I've finally done it =P
<Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
<claint> HappyPills : why was it so?
<HappyPills> it kept giving me an error inserting ndiswrapper error when I tried modprobe
<HappyPills> and the ubuntu version didn't support my card
<claint> just asking because i might have to test it the coming day or so.
<HappyPills> so I fixed it by deleting the offending file and copying over it again
<HappyPills> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/41/2004/12/1/252347 <--helpful link for me
<Spooks> Excellent, that worked a treat. ty guys
<lrojas> Spooks, how di you do it?
<claint> suni: are you using sun jre now?
<claint> oops wrong room
<Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
<Spooks> sudo'd to sources.list and added the info, then Synaptic
<lrojas> Lightboy, sorry... i dont know how yet
<HappyPills> oh god... it seems to be working but it turns up in synaptic as a broken package!
<lrojas> Spooks, wich info? is not clear to me whatshould i add
<Lightboy> lrojas: i can find how to turn the splash screen on and off lol
<Spooks> Well, for adding sun java: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" was 1 of 2 lines you add to sources.list
<Spooks> minus the quotes
<garrut> ojajo
<lrojas> ahh you are using warty.. :(
<Spooks> yup yup
<lrojas> ok
<Lightboy> lrojas: ok now i found where it saves splash screens
<Spooks> New to linux, so just sticking with warty for now, while I get used to it
<Spooks> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" is outdated? It used backports instead
<jbailey> Anyone here running warty?  I need to check how something's configured by default so I can get info into the release notes if I need to.
<Spooks> <-
<jbailey> Spooks: Can you tell me what files are in /etc/udev/rules.d please?
<djp> can anybody help me with certain file permissions?
<leonel> leonel@human:/etc/udev/rules.d $ ls -l
<leonel> total 0
<leonel> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           13 2005-03-18 11:49 udev.rules -> ../udev.rules
<jbailey> djp: It's usually better just to ask.
<jbailey> leonel: So just that file?  Thanks.
<djp> jbailey: cheers. will do...
<Spooks> What a coincidence
<Spooks> udev.rules is there, nothing else
<jbailey> Spooks: Excellent thanks.  I definetly need to add a note to the release notes for Hoary then.   =)
<Spooks> np (Y)
<padlefot_> how can i get acc to write to /mnt/hda1 when i have booted from the LiveCD ??
<jbailey> (Y)?
<Spooks> sorry, MSN thumbs up. Old habits die hard
<Rene_S> ok I installed mplayer, gxine and they arent showing up in the menu's any idea on how to make them show up there ?
<nvashi2> ehhe
<jbailey> padlefot_: I haven't played with the liveCD's, but I'm guessing that you'd need to sudo if it will let you at all.
<jbailey> Spooks: *lol*  I've never looked at the underlying text to most of those emoticons. =)
<djp> i'm trying to make a full system back-up using dar. however there are nine files that will not backup. one for example is /sys/bus/pci/drivers/nvidia/new_id. it will not backup because permission to do so is denied. i have checked the files permissions manually and it is set as 200, write permissions only for the owner, which i gather is root. my question is how can i backup these files using dar or is it not possible due to str
<djp> ict permissions?
<slept> I can't burn mp3 cds with k3b what am I missing?
<jbailey> djp: Do not back up /proc or /sys
<padlefot_> i have to reinsall grub on the old system, chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash, but when i run grub-install /dev/hda it gives me errors :( anyone?
<sh1mmer> gah! apt-get upgrade is installing a bunch of x apps. I've been trying to get rid of them all.
<deFrysk> slept, burn data , not audio
<sh1mmer> Any suggestions for purging my box of x?
<jbailey> djp: Even /dev you probably could just skip on Ubuntu systems, since it's all generated at boot time.  But /proc and /sys change by the moment.  You'll never get a good verify on them.
<slept> drFrysk: no I want audio cds
<djp> jbailey: leave out sys, ahh, that i haven't done. i have left out /proc though. thanks jbailey
<groo> i'm really sorry to ask this super nub question, but i've got the base up and running but none o the extras like X or anything and i made a mistake and quit out of the update screen at post-install. how do i get back to that?
<djp> jbailey: do you use dar personally?
<padlefot_> i have to reinsall grub on the old system, chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash, but when i run grub-install /dev/hda it gives me errors :( anyone?
<jbailey> djp: /sys is the same class of stuff as /proc is.  Most of it used to be in /proc at some point.
<jbailey> djp: No, I've never even heard of it. =)
<yccheok> how i can remove the sudo policy from ubuntu and enforce su in the system??
<sic|work> morning all, I need to fix this resolution:    101x108 dots per inch...it needs to be 101X101...anyone know how to change this?
<djp> jbailey: oh, ok, i'll forget my next question then... thanks for the advice though, i will make the necessary changes when i attempt to make my next system backup...
<slept> yccheok : why???
<slept> does anyone use k3b ?
<yccheok> slept: i had a bad experience, i run a script from some bad guy which delete all my system file :(
<mjr> sic|work, you can tell the monitor dimensions in the X configuration file so that the DPI will be what you want for the resolution you have (don't remember how, but that's what you might want to do)
<mjr> 'course, for freetype, you can override this from font preferences
<yccheok> slept: there is a sudo DO_BAD_THING in the script. i had to reinstall ubuntu since that
<slept> yccheok : you should read scripts, especially from persons you don't trust
<sic|work> mjr: heheh...I know that...I just can't find the xserver file
<Spooks> I love how with linux I get about 15kb/s faster downloads than with windows
* Spooks grins from ear to ear
<slept> yccheok : in other cases it would have asked for root permission, removing sudo won't secure your system
<sic|work> Spooks: I love how using linux networking actually works efficiently
<yccheok> it is a software with thousand of script. the guy just insert to code in one of the scripts. it is impossible for me to exame script by script
<yccheok> slept: arh... u r right
<slept> yccheok : you can change permissions for sudo with visudo
<linuzo> Guys and Gals, I just install kubuntu the other day.. Love it actually seems real good but I was just wondering how to add my 41GB HD as a Storage Device..  I added a folder /mnt/hda1 and then changed the  fstab to the right paramaters..  but when I goto mount the drive as user it says access denied..  Pls Help...
<yccheok> slept: by using su, i will be alerted when i prompt for password
<slept> yccheok : what was the script for ?
<Lightboy> can anyone help me install a custom splash screen
<yccheok> slept: but sudo just wont prompt me for password
<Loiosh> linuzo: You need to mount with sudo
<Loiosh> sudo mount whatever
<linuzo> ok
<linuzo> I'll try
<Loiosh> =)
<sic|work> sudo mount -a works for me
<sic|work> when I am changing stuff in fstab
<yccheok> slept: is a software for my research project
<groo> i'm really sorry to ask this super nub question, but i've got the base up and running but none o the extras like X or anything and i made a mistake and quit out of the update screen at post-install. how do i get back to that?
<linuzo> yo Loiosh do you know how to change a folder ownership??  maybe if I change the ownership to Users I can access it..
<Loiosh> Sure, chmod
<linuzo> cause I can mount it as sudo
<Loiosh> Then who
<linuzo> just not view it
<Loiosh> Like
<Loiosh> chmod u+r file. It means, allows Users to Read the file
<linuzo> ok thanks
<gio> c' qualche italiana?
<jbailey> gio: #ubuntu-it
<slept> yccheok: you can edit the timestamp for sudo, that will change the period within sudo can be run without password
<rodnarms> how do i erase a cd-rw in hoary?
<slept> rodnarms: cdrdao blank
<Echylo> I hope for hoary I don't have much updates
<Echylo> :p
<rodnarms> slept, do that in terminal?
<slept> yes
<rodnarms> <-- linux newbie
<rodnarms> it said command not found
<viZio1> Does anyone know how to solve the "no sound" problem in hoary? in warty i had working sound... in hoary not anymore...
<yccheok> slept, oh great. perhaps that is wat i want. is it possible that i can timestamp 0, that mean each time i am having sudo, i will prompt for a pasword. (hence, most of the trust sutffs will be done inside a root shell, only one or two stuff will be done using sudo)
<mijndert> Hi. I want to know if the C-Media 8783 Sound Chip is supported by Ubuntu Hoary running kernel 2.6.10-5. Does anybody have it up and running?
<PacoBCN> viZio1, what kind of no sound is that?
<slept> rodnarms: apt-get install cdrdao, or maybe you want sth for burning aswell - k3b, xcdroast, ...
<viZio1> that i am not hearing anything on Creative Audigy2
<rodnarms> thanks
<Echylo> rodnarms , type sudo apt-get cdrdao
<Echylo> ow
<Echylo> oh :p
<Quinn_Storm> anyone know anything about using bootsplash w/ ubuntu? is it just a "don't do it" situation?  I don't know much about how ubuntu handles its kernel and wether recompiling would be easy and such
<Echylo> oops
<viZio1> if i start XMMS it seems to decode it (i see the spectrum analyzer working) except i dont hear anyting
<PacoBCN> only that application doesn't produces sound?
<viZio1> the same with login sound etc.
<PacoBCN> probably it's just muted :)
<membreya> what's the keyboard shortcut to paste in a terminal ? (if there is one)
<Echylo> viZio1 , in xmms, change the soundserver to esound
<viZio1> its not
<Echylo> membreya ctrl + shift + v
<viZio1> i have it on esound
<rodnarms> thanks!
<PacoBCN> checked alsamixer?
<membreya> aaah ty Echylo :) so am I to assume ctrl+shift+c is copy ?
<Echylo> yes
<sic|work> anyone know where the xserver file is for changing dpi?
<slept> yccheok : I have nerver touched my settings, but I think it should work with 0.
<membreya> you're a champ Echylo :)
<nvashi2> hey guys anyone install metalog .. I see that it uninstall syslogd and ubuntu-base (I think it is base) and another package .. I like metalog but will that mess with something the base package needs
<Echylo> ahum :p
<PacoBCN> viZio1, checked alsamixer?
<viZio1> how do i do that
<PacoBCN> type "alsamixer" in command line
<Loiosh> Mandrake ate my mbr. Bad mandrake!
<sic|work> heheh
* topyli mail a few spare mbrs to Loiosh
<viZio1> i got a mixer in screen then yeah
<sic|work> Mandrake ate my homeworks!
<nvashi2> Mandrake should be full
<PacoBCN> viZio1, make sure the master isn't muted or very low level
<Loiosh> I hope so
<viZio1> master is on 90
<Loiosh> I had to reinstall grub, which is always fun
<viZio1> so i should be kinda deaf when it plays anything
<PacoBCN> PCM is also that level or so?
<viZio1> pcm 78
<sic|work> viZio1, I know you already checked this, but I have 4 jacks on my sound card and sometimes I forget which one to plug it into...are you sure your speakers are plugged into the right jack?
<PacoBCN> weird
<viZio1> all other pcm's are on 100
<HappyPills> yaya. Now all I have to do is set up the printer for network sharing =)
<slept> viZio: try if sound is generally working, mpg321 file in terminal and  killall esd
<bloated> hi
<slept> HappyPills: samba ?
<nvashi2> congratz HappyPills
<HappyPills> probably
<viZio1> mpg321 ? bash: mpg321: command not found
<PacoBCN> viZio1, sure your default sound server is esound?
<slept> viZio1: install it
<bloated> hi
<HappyPills> I was suprised that a driver that actually worked was on the computer already! one model down from my printer =)
<nvashi2> kewl
<bloated> are there later repositories?
<slept> does anyone use k3b for burning audio cds
<viZio1> Playing MPEG stream from Silvertide-California_Rain.mp3 ...
<bloated> slept, i tried it once and it worked
<viZio1> MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo
<viZio1> dont hear anything
<PacoBCN> slept, nop, I prefer graveman
<markc> slept> I've burnt a few bootable iso's lately
<sic|work> slept<--neroLINUX works really well for me
<bloated> its supposed to be good...
<PacoBCN> viZio1, did you kill esd?
<madduck> so i installed the latest hoary x.org onto a laptop with a 'Rage Mobility M4 AGP' card. How can I get DRI working now?
<sihen> Hello all
<Spooks> Hoorah! Perfect working sun java
<viZio1> how
<sihen> could someone please help me out
<|QuaD-> are there any plans for ifolder server/workstation support?
<PacoBCN> viZio1, command: killall esd
<viZio1> Playing MPEG stream from Silvertide-California_Rain.mp3 ...
<viZio1> MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo
<viZio1> Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
<viZio1> bart@BartP4:/misc/Program Files/Winamp $
<bloated> does anyone have a good sources.list?
<viZio1> after i did killall esd
<nvashi2> sihen they can't help if they don't know what the problem is
<HappyPills> hmm... I had probably better get to bed soon. gotta wake up in three hours
<sihen> nvashi,
<sihen> 21% [1 openoffice.org-bin 8764704/41.5MB 21%] 
<sihen> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main openoffice.org-bin 1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1
<sihen>   Connection timed out
<sihen> Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-bin_1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1_i386.deb  Connection timed out
<sihen> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
<topyli> bloated:
<topyli> ooops. bloated, for warty or hoary
<sihen> nvashi2, thats during a apt-get upgrade
<slept> viZio1: if you are using kde , killall artsd. And close your player
<viZio1> im using gnome
<sihen> nvashi2, iv tried a apt-get update - seems to be up to date
<Quinn_Storm> sorry, I probably missed if anyone answered my question, had to restart x, got it messed up with a game
<slept> sihen: --fix-missing should help
<slept> sihen: did you try
<sihen> slept, not sure of the exact command to use
<bloated> topyli, hoary is the latest?
<markc> sihen> I just used curl to see if that file is there and it seems to be
<topyli> bloated: hoary is the upcoming version, it's not quite ready yeat
<slept> sihen: sudo apt-get install  --fix-missing
<sihen> then im unsure of the problem, all my other updates come down at 100KB/s
<viZio1> slept: im using gnome
<sihen> slept, let me try ta brb
<bloated> topyli, i think hoary is what im using
<sihen> slept,
<sihen> oot@Enigma:~ # sudo apt-get install  --fix-missing
<sihen> Reading Package Lists... Done
<sihen> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<sihen> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
<Echylo> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<Echylo> :p
<sihen> Echylo, same thing
<bloated> topyli, i dont think blender is on the repository im using now
<Echylo> what?
<Echylo> oh
<Echylo> it doesn't update?
<topyli> bloated: do 'cat /etc/lsb-release'
<Echylo> sudo apt-get -f install ?
<Echylo> or is that the same as --fix-missing ?
<slept> sihen: dselect update
<sihen> it get stuck on 21% [1 openoffice.org-bin 8764703/41.5MB 21%] 
<sihen> slept, how?
<Echylo> ooh got that error too once
<bloated> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.04 DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) Development Branch"
<Echylo> but I can't remember whet I did
<Echylo> what*
<slept> sihen : it's the comman itself (with sudo )
<slept> *d
<sihen> slept, problem is i cant do other updates cause this one wont finish
<topyli> bloated: my hoary sources: http://siltala.net/sources.list and warty: http://siltala.net/warty-sources.list . not everything there is quite safe and stable, beware :)
<sihen> i need to find a way around it
<slept> sihen : it dates up your sources
<slept> sihen : try it , is your error still connection timed out ?
<bloated> topyli, ok thanks
<sihen> slept, ye
<nvashi2> he could use synaptic to get it  w/ smart update chosen
<sihen> nvashi2, synaptic does the same
<sihen> gets to the same point then stops
<nvashi2> although the cli shoud work
<slept> sihen: you can change your sources with apt-setup, are you sure you got a network connection with that machine?
<slept> sihen : the server you are using might be unreachable
<Echylo> yea
<Spooks> How stable is the Wesnoth one?
<Echylo> I had the same problem here
<nvashi2> cause the package is there we have checked that
<sihen> slept, im using the machine now, it does all the others at 100KB/s +
<slept> sihen : do sudo apt-setup and select an other mirror
<viZio1> can somebody else help me with my sound problems (slept seems busy :))
<black_Nightmare> I'm going off...bye
<slept> sihen : then do an update
<sihen> slept,  which source is good?
<sihen> slept, dont i have to type in a source?
<sihen> Enter the hostname of the mirror from which Ubuntu will be downloaded.
<slept> sihen: look for somthing thats near
<sihen> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
<sihen> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
<sihen> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
<sihen> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
<sihen> trying the SA one
<viZio1> bye black
<sihen> slept, diff sources and get to the same point heh
<nvashi2> sihen: what were you installing that has all of this
<nubbe> I got a progress-bar in X-chat beneath the nick-list, what is that for?
<Spooks> lagbar?
<teleyinex> hi
<nvashi2> and yes I know it is an update
<Dr_Willis> thats the lag thinggig
<Dr_Willis> its changeable to some #'s in the settings if you want
<teleyinex> how the hell I can get my wifi card be in ad-hoc mode?
<Dr_Willis> 'latency' or somthing.
<sihen> nvashi2, just doing a apt-get upgrade. its trying to install the openoffice upgrade?
<teleyinex> cause i have add the stanzas to /etc/network/interfaces and everytime I reboot i get my card in managed mode
<teleyinex> why?
<linuzo> How many people suing kubuntu?
<Dr_Willis> Ya mean USEing ? :P
<teleyinex> If i do /etc/init.d/network restart
<linuzo> :)
<Spooks> Or using
<teleyinex> then i get it in ad-hoc mode
<nvashi2> I hope that what he meant
<AndyFitz> GNOME is solid.  KDE is rice :P  nah  I love both
<teleyinex> where or which program do this?
<linuzo> Can someone tell me why I am getting segment fault when I run xmms
<linuzo> and when I try to run glxgears I get seg fault too
<Dr_Willis> Hmm.. printer just kicked in...  wife is prnting porn again.. :p
<linuzo> lol @ Dr_Aevil
<linuzo> lol @ Dr_Willis
<sihen> any idea's?
<Dr_Willis> oh wait.. its more 'cat furniture' - UGH
<Dr_Willis> wose then porn.. Online SHopping!
<jesusfreak69> teleyinx: iwconfig eth? mode ad-hoc
<teleyinex> jesusfreak69, yes
<slept> sihen : are you sure your connection is up try to ping  www.google.de
<teleyinex> but i dont want to that all the times I boot my pc
<linuzo> gonna try reboot and if xmms still doesn't work I dunno what I'm gona do
<linuzo> lol
<teleyinex> I want, taht when I boot my pc I get it in ad-hoc
<linuzo> wonder why glxgears gives me a segment fault
<markc> use alsaplayer
<deFrysk> linuzo, using nvidia ?
<jesusfreak69> Tele - ubuntu is wierd with the wireless in my whole 3 days of expirence
<linuzo> deFrysk,  yeah
<deFrysk> install mikmod
<garrut> my xserver randomly crashes, anyone else having problems with that?
<deFrysk> or something
<sihen> slept, im using the connection to chat here, its the same box
<nvashi2> slept: sihen is using the pc to talk here [that is what I got from his earlier statmenst]  so it must be up
<Dr_Willis> 'wireless and linux' - the next incarnation of the 'companies not releaseing driver info' plague. :(
<sihen> --- www.google.com ping statistics ---
<sihen> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms
<sihen> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 326.682/356.246/416.539/31.983 ms
<xamdm> linuzo, installed newer nvidia-driver then the one provided by ubuntu ??
<linuzo> deFrysk, I installed libmikmod2 already but not it just gives me segment fault..
<sic|work> anyone know how to fix an unbalanced DPI?  Be as specific as possible with what file to set it in...I have been looking for this info for a while
<linuzo> xamdm, I installed the one from the nvidia website
<slept> sihen : the only error you get ist that your connection times out ?
<sihen> all my other upgrades are fine
<sihen> slept, its only on this file
<linuzo> xamdm, was working fine last night then I started my comp this morning and i get this
<deFrysk> linuzo, then i do not know
<xamdm> linuzo, also installed the restricted-modules pakages, if so jou hav a version mismatch
<nubbe> there it goes again
<nubbe> :)
<nvashi2> sihen: I thought it said 3 not updated
<sihen> Get:1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe scrollz 1.9.2-1 [586kB] 
<sihen> 94% [1 scrollz 556400/586kB 94%]                                                                                                                 58.3kB/s 0s
<nubbe> there r actually 2 but only the upper 2 shows any signs of life
<nubbe> upper 1
<nubbe> no one knows?
<sihen> its working fine, just that file.. :(
<linuzo> loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-7167
<xamdm> linuzo, ls -l /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 , where does it point too ??
<slept> sihen: which package?
<sihen> slept,
<sihen> Get:1 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main openoffice.org-bin 1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1 [41.5MB] 
<sihen> 21% [1 openoffice.org-bin 8764698/41.5MB 21%] 
<sihen> just stays on 21% then tiems out
<linuzo> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 21 2005-03-21 01:35 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 -> libGLcore.so.1.0.7167
<xamdm> linuzo, that looks right, so daos any 3dapplikation segfault ??
<linuzo> lol dunno never tried any yet.. lol..
<linuzo> but I didn't think glxgears should eb..
<slept> sihen: looks like you selected the same mirror again , try one somwhere else with apt-setup
<xamdm> linuzo, why didn't jou use the driver from ubuntu ??
<linuzo> cause there is no acceleration for opengl
<xamdm> linuzo, hoary ore warty ??
<xamdm> linuzo, wrong
<linuzo> I'm using the kunbuntu hoary or whatever
<deFrysk> linuzo, read the wiki pages
<linuzo> kubuntu hoary
<sihen> slept, i have 3 different sources in /etc/apt/source.list
<deFrysk> linuzo, read and learn
<sianis> hi all
<linuzo> deFrysk, well with Ubuntu's drivers I was only getting 66 FPS
<linuzo> with nvidia's I was getting 300 FPS
<xamdm> linuzo, just uninstall the nvidia-driver package, anable universe in the sources list, and install nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx also the restricted-modules which match your kernel
<sianis> do some1 use synaptics touchpad driver on ubuntu?
<sic|work> linuzo: if you search the wiki it will tell you how to enable it
<linuzo> olk sic
<linuzo> thanks
<deFrysk> linuzo, explayn ubuntu drivers
<deFrysk> explain
<linuzo> deFrysk, I installed the nvidia drivers in the package manager
<bloated> how do i dexconf
<sihen> slept, have tried a few from the http list on apt-setup
<deFrysk> linuzo, if you would have read the wikipages ,....blah
<sianis> helihooo
<sianis> do someone use synaptics???
<linuzo> deFrysk,  what's the url for the wiki?
<Dr_Willis> you mean 'synaptic' the package installer tool?
<deFrysk> linuzo, klick wiki on ubuntu frontpage
<SeeleyUSMC> Sad...I tried downloading the torrent from the ubuntulinux.com site and it was currupt
<bloated> how do i configure x
<sianis> wow
<sianis> grup qiut
<no0tic> split!
<deFrysk> linuzo, it leads to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
<linuzo> k thanks
* linuzo is going to read
<deancographics> Hello, has anyone successfully downloaded Kubuntu??
<linuzo> plus I'm uninstalling all nvidia
<linuzo> deancographics, yes works great
<vijub> hello friends, want some help in setting up sound
* netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> niven.freenode.net
<SeeleyUSMC> linuzo, Is it exactly the same as ubuntu, just with KDE?
<deancographics> Is there a alternate download mirror?
<linuzo> deancographics,  use the torrent
<vijub> I installed gstream, after that whenever i start any multimedia app, i get the message "Failed to create a GStreamer play object"
<sihen> ok now i am totally stuck
<vijub> but as root there is no problem
<bloated> how do i configure X
<vijub> anybody can help?
<no0tic> preview installer activates root user?
<wdh> SeeleyUSMC, yes.. if you just install plain ubuntu and add kubuntu-desktop, you have KUbuntu
<viZio1> ok, something went wrong :S
<wdh> assuming you ment to ask: wtf is KDE :P
<wdh> s\KDE\KUbuntu
<SeeleyUSMC> wdh oic
<viZio1> does anyone know how to get my sound working (Again) in, Warty it worked, bu now in Hoary it doesnt... ESD etc. are installed, nothing says muted. plz help
<SeeleyUSMC> So Ubuntu origional is just the same but wit GNOME...which is horrible
* wdh love gnome :)
<Myrtti> not that fight again
<JDigital> halp me guys
<JDigital> :v
<wdh> JDigital, dont ask for help.. just ask :)
<JDigital> I renamed a folder on a Windows drive from "d&d" to "D&D" and Nautilus crashed without renaming it
<viZio1> does anyone know how to solve my sound problem?
<JDigital> I can "ls" it just fine, and I renamed the folder to "DnD", but nautilus stalls when I try to open it
<JDigital> like it uses 100% CPU
<viZio1> :-/ anyone, sound, not working, audigy2, argh O:-)
<mijndert> viZio1, I also got a problem with my sound. I got a SiS 7012 chip.
<viZio1> mijndert, tegen mij mag je nederlands praten
<viZio1> :P
<mijndert> lol :)
<deFrysk> praet mar Frysk
<mijndert> weet niet of de mensen hier dat leuk vinden
<Myrtti> English please
<mijndert> Sorry
<Myrtti> or I'll start cursing in Finnish
<mijndert> lol
<viZio1> please no finnish
<viZio1> swedish is fine though
<deFrysk> mijndert there is also an #ubuntu-nl channel
<viZio1> For anyone else, i'll just keep in english for now
<viZio1> The problem is: in Warty i had sound... but now  in hoarty i dont have anymore
<mijndert> ah
<viZio1> volume control is NOT on mute...
<viZio1> and ESD is loaded
<viZio1> did anyone had this problem? and managed to solve it?
<mijndert> deFrysk, thanks
<viZio1> there's more peepz entering then answering / asking questions
<JDigital> hehe
<viZio1> enough new peepz now HI ALL
<SeeleyUSMC> Here's a question...why is the torrent for kubuntu so darned slow?  Sheeze!
<no0tic> hoary preview installer activated root account...
<viZio1> i have a sound problem, i had sound in warty, but after updating to hoary, i dont hear anything.. Mixers are not on mute
<viZio1> Frysk perhaps you know a solution?
<no0tic> it's normal?
<slept> viZio1 : try console mpg321 agian, kill all aplications that might block the card xmms,esd, ...
<Myrtti> I have a girly question for all (prolly non-existant) women users here. I want to find a beautiful and stylish GDM theme. Any advice appreciated, currently having SVG Sakura -theme
<viZio1> slept: killall esd ?
<slept> viZio1: yes
<ejah__> hi/re
<slept> viZio1: you can get a list of all processea with ps -ax
<scizzo> Myrtti: looked at gnome-look.org and art.gnome.org?
<Myrtti> did, but I guess I'm too picky
<SeeleyUSMC> Question: Should I report a bad torrent that came from the ubuntu site itself?
<slept> viZio1: or uce CTRL + ESC under X
<viZio1> i have a list
<viZio1> only thing that has anything to do with sound is :  9379 ?        Ss     0:00 gnome-volume-manager --sm-client-id default5
<slept> viZio1 : not what you are looking for
<viZio1> mmz, cant put the list here, to big :P dont think many people would like that
<Myrtti> I guess I'll have to do one myself
<Myrtti> damn I'm too picky
<slept> vizio1: youn can pate in #flood
<viZio1> ?
<wdh> or on one of many paste-sites..
<wdh> try pastebin.org.. could be .com/net as well :P
<slept> viZio1: try to mpg321 filename again
<rapha_> Just  installed Array-7, and immediately (before doing anything else) installed Tomboy, too, and it says "** (/usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe:8174): WARNING **: Could not find assembly Mono.Posix, references from /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe (assemblyref_index=1)" ... this isn't my fault, is it?
<slept> viZio1: if you want to be sure that nothing blocks your card you can switch to a terminal , sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if you want your xserver back restart it with sudo /etc...gdm restart) then try to mpg321 filename, if you need irc you can use bitchx
<viZion2> lol
<viZion2> i got kicked, exception flood in #flood
<slept> viZio1: if you want to be sure that nothing blocks your card you can switch to a terminal , sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if you want your xserver back restart it with sudo /etc...gdm restart) then try to mpg321 filename, if you need irc you can use bitchx
<Myrtti> <3 irssi
<kent> Has some one used wine and know where to put .dll files that was required from windows? Is there some special place to put them?
<data_> hi all.. does anyone know how i can find the kernel mode for ntfs for ubuntu?
<Albacker> why did apt-get install another version of gcc, :
<Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni # gcc
<Albacker> gcc         gcc-2.95    gcc-3.3     gccbug      gccbug-3.3  gccmakedep
<bung__> data_: I thought it did it automagically
<Albacker>  did apt-get install gpc, and it installed gcc too
<data_> bung__ well im real new to linux and ive almost had a nervous breakdown all day i cant read my other 2 hdds
<slept> data_: just modprobe ntfs - allready works
<slept> data_: with sudo
<rapha_> Hmm
<rapha_> Wierd
<Stuttergart> Anyone know where I can get Array7 media with the Dell megaraid drivers in the initird?
<bung__> $ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
<data_> bung__ could you type the whole line so i can paste is? sorry but i have no idea what im doing here
<bung__> ^^ that did the modprobe for me..
<rapha_> I uninstalled tomboy & deps, apt-get clean'd, reinstalled and now it runs
<Albacker> can anyone help me please ?
<bung__> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
<viZion2> ok with only console, it doesnt work
<slept> data_ : sudo modprobe ntfs
<bung__> data_: actually you'll probably want a -o uid=data or something in there too
<viZion2> when starting up linux, when it stats the ALSA, i do hear a plop on my speakers so it seems to load?
<thully> hi - quick question - I'm having trouble compiling a class project - it works fine on Fedora, but on Ubuntu with build-essential installed I get the following error
<slept> viZion2: select alsa plugin with xmms
<thully> nim_position.h:109: error: `assert' undeclared (first use this function)
<thully> nim_position.h:109: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
<thully>    for each function it appears in.)
<thully> make: *** [nim_position.o]  Error 1
<viZion2> no sound...
<data_>  bung__ nothing
<rapha_> Is there a tutorial for installing dvdrip anywhere? The package is in Synaptic, but it says it depends on transcode which is not installable when I try to install it...
<bung__> data_: nothing's good.
<slept> viZion2: speakers are connected fine ?
<petemc> rapha_: add a marillat source
<rapha_> viZion2: I'm going to try out what crimsun earlier suggested now, and see if that helps with our sound
<rapha_> slept: viZion2 and I are having more low-level problems
<bung__> sudo ls /mnt/windows
<rapha_> petemc: thx
<bung__> (try without sudo too)
<data_> bung__ so shall i commit suicide now or after dinner?? heheh
<viZion2> speakers are connected normally
<Zotnix> Wow... on distrowatch for the last 6 months Ubuntu is number 2, overtaking Fedora... and for the last three months it got the number one spot.
<bung__> data_: do so now, but only once you've stuck your dinner in the post to me.
<Zotnix> (only hits though, but a lot of traffic there ;p)
<viZion2> the sound DID work in warty, but after updating to hoarty it DOESNT work anymore, you got that to rapha?
<selinium_> hi all, i am trying to install a driver for my tv card, in the install it refers to 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' how does this translate on hoary?
<selinium_> HI there slept! thanks for the help the other day!
<bung__> selinium_: check that there's not a binary driver already somewhere
<rapha_> petemc: how do I shut it up about the public key lacking?
<petemc> rapha_: add the key, theres a how to on the wii
<petemc> wiki
<data_> bung__ ok so i did all that and the dinner is inthe post
<rapha_> Thanks petemc
<viZion2> rapha_: what is your specific problem?
<slept> data_: did you mount -t ntfs /dev/hd... /mnt/windows ?
<Spooks> Newb alert: Is their a standard way to install .rpm's?
<petemc> -o umask=022
<rapha_> viZion2: we spoke about it before. Since Hoary I have no audible sound output anymore, even though everything looks like it was working, except that gstreamer can't build an ALSA pipe.
<data_> viZion2 did i what? like i said .. im lost in linux
<Myrtti> Spooks: alien
<rapha_> Spooks: alien -d blah.rpm; dpkg -i blah.deb
<Myrtti> Spooks: but why
<viZion2> rapha_: seems like same problem
<rapha_> Myrtti: you could of course write a shell script that does that and call it /usr/bin/rpm
<Spooks> hmm
<rapha_> viZion2: Like I said, you and I have talked about it just a couple of hours ago
<viZion2> rapha_: System -> Prefrences -> Multimedia Systems Selection
<Myrtti> rapha_: Me not need rpm's, me got deb. Me woman, me not play around with things unknown
<rapha_> viZion2: I know
<viZion2> rapha_: what tests do work?? with you
<rapha_> Myrtti, didn't you ask how to install RPMs?
<Myrtti> rapha_: no?
<rapha_> viZion2: just OSS
<Myrtti> Spooks did
<cisa> where to get kernel-source for the 2.6.8.1 in warty-release? without the source i cannot build the drivers for my usb-adsl modem so i cannot use apt.
<deFrysk> Spooks, rpms are for rpm based distros , deb for debian based
<rapha_> Myrtti, in that case, and with respect to you being a women (and I knowing my girlfriend), I apologize
<viZion2> ALSA, OSS, and ESD are "working" here
<deFrysk> Spooks, better not mix them
<rapha_> s/i knowing/me knowing
<Spooks> ahh
<viZion2> at least, it shows a progressbar going back and forth
<Spooks> I was under the impression they were just a different kinda of package/archive
<Myrtti> rapha_: I told him that alien does the trick, and wondered (although shortly) why he'd need to use rpms
<deFrysk> Spooks, sometimes in times of destress we sometimes convert an rpm to a deb with alien
<Spooks> I see
<rapha_> Myrtti, And I also told him to use alien, but was a tad slower (albeit more verbose) than you. No idea where the misunderstanding came from.
<deFrysk> Spooks, but its usually not done
<Myrtti> rapha_: hey, we're just humans :-)
<rapha_> Myrtti: so if we could be friends again that would be great :-)
<viZion2> no were not Myrtti
<rapha_> Heheh
<viZion2> i only look human
<Myrtti> and I'm multitasking, so I get confused easily
<rapha_> viZion2; so what are you?
<cisa> i can't find them on http://www.uni-muenster.de/Jura.itm/hoeren/INHALTE/lehre/lehrematerialien.htm
<cisa> hmm
<selinium_> bung_: all the links send me eventually to the same page!
<rapha_> Myrtti, actually, I thought men were more prone to make errors when multitaksing?
<cisa> sorry, wrong url
<viZion2> i'm an device, with unstable drivers for linux
<EddieX> Weird, i have installed adobes acrobat reader through apt. But now i cant find the binary for it ony my system. Have reinstalled it and same problem
<Stuttergart> Has anyone been able to install Hoary onto machine with a Perc controller?
<EddieX> Anyone?
<viZion2> EddieX, on the site of Adobe, there is a version 7 available
<EddieX> viZion2, Ok.. but i still dont know what happend to it :)
<selinium_> hi all, i am trying to install a driver for my tv card, in the install it refers to 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' how does this translate on hoary?
<Albacker> where are the debs stored when I do apt-get install ?
<markc> how "safe" is it to add normal debian archives to sources.list (like for PHP) ?
<thully> anyone have a clue on my compiler issue?  I have to finish this today... (and fedora keeps blowing up on my machine)
<bung__> EddieX: list files with dpkg -L [packagename] 
<cisa> Albacker: /var/cache/apt
<Albacker> thanx cisa
<markc> Albacker > /var/cache/apt/archives
<EddieX> bung_ ok.
<Myrtti> markc: not that wise
<viZion2> rapha_: making any progress?
<selinium_> bung__: all the links send me eventually to the same page!
<markc> Myrtti> so in the case of PHP, what you recomend I do ?
<Myrtti> I have it commented off in sources.list and take the # off only in ultimate need
<rapha> viZion2: patience :)
<EddieX> bung_ That i have already done, and i cant find the binary program, just a shellscript where the binary should be.
<bung__> selinium_: lame
<viZion2> patience, dont have that installed i guess, yeah in windows
<Myrtti> markc: depends on if you run hoary or warty
<markc> Myrtti> assuming you care to recomend anything :-)
<Myrtti> if hoary, I'd go for it
<Myrtti> if warty, forget it
<selinium_> bung__ ? my searching abilities or the install?
<markc> Myrtti> hoary... just add normal deb repositories do you mean ?
<Myrtti> but there surely are other opinions
<Myrtti> markc: testing
<markc> Myrtti> cool, thanks
<Myrtti> np
<bung__> selinium_: possibly both, I dunno :)
<selinium_> bung__ lol! do you konw what the /path/to/kernel/source/tree is on hoary?
<cisa> is there somebody who could give me some informations about the eagle-usb module wich is built in the kernel of warty? - or, who is the maintainer of these packages (eagle-usb and kernel)
<selinium_> bung__ or is what I am trying to do not a good idea?
<cisa> selinium_: normally it should be /usr/src
<bung__> yeah
<bung__> but I suck at using debian kernels
<viZion2> selinium_: defenition of a good idea: install MS-DOS 6.2 or older, use EDIT for documents, QBASIC for anything else
<bung__> so... hope someone else turns up
<selinium_> :D OK!
<Bauhn> Hey, can anyone here help me with getting counterstrike running on wine?
<cisa> Bauhn: did you try cedega/wine? i heard about that.
<Bauhn> cisa, i have installed wine.. but i dont understand it at all
<bung__> half-life 1 has worked under normal wine for a few years
<cisa> Bauhn: i am not a "gamer", but cedega should be a better choice
<viZion2> Bauhn: sudo wine cs.exe ?
<bung__> ewwww
<bung__> no sudo
<viZion2> sudo for installation
<bung__> nah
<Bauhn> viZion2, but i dont have cs installed?
<Bauhn> i dont know how to get i neither
<cisa> is there no pppoe package in warty?
<bung__> you want the files to be user writeable too I expect,  just like windows
<bung__> and maybe root will have his own registry too?
<Bauhn> bung__, yes
<Bauhn> and now when i'm going to try cedega, how do i uninstall wine?
<cisa> Bauhn: you dont have to uninstall wine
<ikaro> just install beer
<no0tic> can anyone answer me? why hoary preview installer activates root account?
<viZion2> lol!
<Bauhn> cisa, no, but i just have 6gb of hdd and i dont want anything to take unescessary space
<cisa> Bauhn: apt-get --purge remove $PROGRAM
<viZion2> Bauhn
<viZion2> fdisk, and then remove all partitions, that should free some space
<Spooks> Ah, found my problem. I have no C compiler installed
<Spooks> GG me
* Spooks high 5's himself
<zenrox> Spooks,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
<zenrox> for more help
<zenrox> and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
<viZion2> i GOT SOUND!! WOOOHOOOOOO!
<slept> bauhn : debfoster should help you to get rid of the things you don't need want
<ulisse> hi all!
<slept> viZion"
<ulisse> Is there a way to "downgrade" from hoary 64 to 32 bit?
<viZion2> i turned on the TV :( my pc doesnt make any sounds :(
<ulisse> without reinstalling, i mean
<thully> ulisse: no, you have to reinstall (you can save your home directory to save some work, though)
<viZion2> argh are there some weird solar radiations this week???
<viZion2> My PC's fucked up
<viZion2> My notebook network doesnt work anymore
<viZion2> my tv's remote is broken
<ulisse> ok, thanks thully
<amiroff> guys, how do I make minmized apps on taskbar to be the same size no matter how many apps are there on taskbar?
<ulisse> anyone owns a Radeon Mobility 9600?
<viZion2> :-P the only things still working are the Windows server, and the Windows computers
<thully> no, but I have a Radeon Mobility 7500
<thully> Does anyone know why my darned compiler isn't working the way it seems it should?  This assert error is getting on my nerves ( I really want to develop on this box and not sshed into another)
<ulisse> thully, do you have DRI working?
<zenrox> viZion2,  you shure a bofh didnt screw with you
<viZion2> hahaha
<viZion2> i'm the bofh in this home
<rapha_> crimsun, btw, the src group doesn't appear to be able to write to /usr/src by default.
<thully> I think I do - but I just use the open drivers (not fglrx) since fglrx doesn't work on this card
<viZion2> :D they sure arent happy with account restriction here :D
<zenrox> viZion2,  lol
<viZion2> XP SP2, limited account, Anti Spyware
<viZion2> hehehe
<ulisse> thanks again, thully
<thully> but fglrx works on a 9600... no experience there, though
<zenrox> viZion2,  write a antspyware script that deletes windows and installs ubuntu
<thully> you can't suspend with fglrx installed ,though
<viZion2> i already have it zenrox
<zenrox> lol
<viZion2> its quite effective
<Blissex> thully: suspending is a dodgy idea regardless
<zenrox> hahahahhahahahhaha
<elshadii> I have just aquired a 4-port router and would like to be able to get two computers on the internet and share files can someone point me in the right direction for a How to?
<viZion2> first run, it installed ubuntu, removed all my partitions except NTFS, and removed the MBR...
<thully> Why? to disk, to ram, or both?
<zenrox> elshadii,  ill talk you tharu it msg me
<thully> I find it can be somewhat troublesome, but necessary in my case
<viZion2> disabled the ability of Windows Setup to boot
<thully> not needed for desktops, though
<zenrox> viZion2,  thats kewl can i have a copy
<zenrox> lol
<viZion2> its called the Ubuntu installation cd
<zenrox> i have one more win pc i need to infect
<viZion2> to be honest
<viZion2> i love windows
<zenrox> elshadii, try using /msg zenrox hello
<viZion2> i need linux for school
<viZion2> else i had windows on
<Myrtti> I'd need Windows for school, but I refuse to use it
<viZion2> Windows: Everything works, and if it doesnt, it is easy to repair
<viZion2> Linux: nothing works, and dont think you can get it to work
<Myrtti> hmmm, I should prolly try the Citrix thing again
<Myrtti> viZion2: YMMV, as mine does
<thully> I need Linux for school and I like it as well... but this dang Fedora/Ubuntu compiler inconsistency is driving me NUTS!
<viZion2> YMMV??????????
<hawke_> viZion2: Apparently the GAIM IRC client works....else you'd not be here.
<slept> viZion2 : don't be frustated it takes some time to get used to things
<Guinea> Hey ya!
<viZion2> my first attempt with linux was, red hat 6, back in 98 i guess? or 99 something like that
<Myrtti> viZion2: Your Mileage May Vary
<Myrtti> viZion2: ie. your experiences may differ from other peoples
<Guinea> I've got a problem. I had installed Win98 and Win2k. I also installed Ubuntu then. First, there was no problem - I could boot every system. But somehow, I can't boot Win98 now and I don't know why... there are those four commands in Grub, and all I see then is a blinking cursor, but nothing happens.
<cusco> hi ya!
<spiral> hi
<Myrtti> uuulalalaaa
<slept> viZion2: did you reboot after your change to hoary and is discover installed ? try that and reboot sound might work then.
<cusco> actually... Im rebooting now
<viZion2> i did reboot yeah
<Bauhn> hmm, i cant find cedega.. does anyone know how i can do that?
<bung__> thully: is whatever you're trying to compile online anywhere?
<mina_linux_Tux> Does anyone knows how to use the MemTest in the LiveCD i tried to run the LivCD and to select the Memtest | Memtest --.. and what i got is switch to the text mode .. so how to use this is utility ?
<Guinea> Win98 is installed on my second hard disk (secondary master), while Win2k and Ubuntu are installed on the first one (primary master).
<thully> no - but I do have the error message
<amiroff> guys, how do I make minmized apps on taskbar to be the same size no matter how many apps are there on taskbar?
<thully> This compiles fine on fedora core 3
<Guinea> I wanted to reinstall win98, but unfortunately the setup program doesn't let me choose on which drive I want to install it.
<mina_linux_Tux> hello may  anyone answer me please
<mina_linux_Tux> this is the question .. "Does anyone knows how to use the MemTest in the LiveCD i tried to run the LivCD and to select the Memtest | Memtest --.. and what i got is switch to the text mode .. so how to use this is utility ?
<Guinea> Dunno ;)
<slept> Guinea : switch hda of in the bios
<mina_linux_Tux> hellooooooo
<Guinea> slept: How do you mean that?
<viZion2> discover does see my soundcard
<mina_linux_Tux> may anyone answer my questionnnnnnn
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port
<mina_linux_Tux> helloo anybody there
<viZion2> Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port
<bung__> spamtastic
<viZion2> hehe sry
<Myrtti> does alien -i work in Ubuntu hoary?
<viZion2> didnt copy paste the complete list though :D
<Myrtti> I think I've found a way of getting Citrix work
<Myrtti> and that's by installing it from a rpm
<slept> Guinea: reboot, go to the bios select none for primary master, install win on hdc
<WickedKlown> errm i dont know if i should ask this here but i applyed for the free cds like 2 months ago and i havent got them yet
<Jesterace> WickedKlown, give it time, i just got mine
<Jesterace> i forget when i asked for them
<mina_linux_Tux> there is no one here .. care to answer me ?
<markc> when mixing hoary and std debian testing debs, should something be "pinned" ?
<WickedKlown> i am a LUG and i want to distruburte them to every one
<slept> mina_linux_Tux : what is your problem ?
<rimmer> hi, can anyone help me
<slept> mina_linux_Tux : heloooooooo
<Myrtti> OMFG o.0
<Myrtti> you know what I just did
<viZion2> no?
<Myrtti> I managed to install the damn Citrix thing and it DAMMIT WORKS
<jason> rimmer: whats the problem
<rimmer> hey please anyone help me, I'm new to linux, I have installed ubuntu and in installation process I set only my own account password, but when i'm trying to login as super-user, it asks the password and I don't know it
<Myrtti> WOWEE
<bung__> rimmer: don't login as super-user
<rimmer> I need to install XMMS
<rimmer> how to do it then?
<Spooks> Synaptic is saying gcc is installed, yet when trying to compile it says I have no C compiler installed. Any ideas please anyone?
<bung__> sudo apt-get install xmms
<Myrtti> then do it by apt-get
<Myrtti> or synaptic
<rimmer> hmm I'm new, can somebody query me and explain me those commands? please...
<jason> rimmer sudo command
<bung__> just do it :)
<bung__> or use the synaptic gui
<jason> man apt-get
<bung__> apparently it's nice.
<kotatsu> rimmer: you generally don't want to log in as root... there are reasons for it, but not many on a daily basis when you're just doing desktop stuff
<viZion2> apt-get install windows
<slept> spooks :  did you use gcc itself gcc ?
<rimmer> ok so... sudo apt-get install xmms ?
<kotatsu> rimmer: you can use the sudo command to execute commands as root, or "sudo -s" to become root
<Spooks> Pardon?
<slept> spooks :  one gcc to much
<Spooks> oh
<rimmer> ALL: what means 'apt-get' ?
<kotatsu> rimmer: apt-get is a way to install programs from the command line
<bung__>        apt-get - APT package handling utility -- command-line interface
<bung__>        apt-get is the command-line tool for handling packages, and may be con-
<bung__>        sidered the user's "back-end" to other tools  using  the  APT  library.
<bung__>        Several  "front-end"  interfaces  exist,  such as dselect(8), aptitude,
<bung__>        synaptic, gnome-apt and wajig.
<rapha_> viZion2: crimsun: Rebuilding ALSA didn't help.
<rimmer> Reading Package Lists... Done
<rimmer> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<rimmer> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<rimmer> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<rimmer> is only available from another source
<rimmer> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
<rimmer> I need to download it, right? :(
<Spooks> Basically I'm just following install instructions (./configure -> make -> make install), it tells me no C compiler is installed
<kotatsu> rimmer: run $ sudo apt-get update
<bung__> ah, you shouldn't have to, no
<slept> rimmer : sudo apt-get install selflinux , this will solve many of your questions
<Spooks> Synaptic says gcc IS installed
<Spooks> Confusion reigns
<rimmer> E: Couldn't find package selflinux
<garrut> rimmer: enable the universe repositories in your sources
<rimmer> what :O
<kotatsu> anyone know if clearlooks 0.5 will make it into hoary before release?
<markc> Spooks > have a look at ls -l /usr/bin/gcc*
<rimmer> i'm going to download it online, should I download RMP or sourcecode ?
<kotatsu> not sure if they're holding off on it or not
<bung__> apt-cache policy gcc ?
<Spooks> No such file or directory
<Spooks> Awesome
<NewNick> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
<deFrysk> NewNick, k
<kotatsu> kubuntu comes with kde by default
<kotatsu> ubuntu comes with gnome by default
<kotatsu> assuming you do the regular installation
<deFrysk> ubuntu rules kubuntu whateveres
<rimmer> ok, if i download xmms-1.2.10.tar.gz, is it easy to compile+install then ?
<NewNick> ok, is kde a better gui then gnome?
<deFrysk> NewNick, no
<slept> rimmer : nano /etc/apt/sources.list, then remove the # in the line with universe , save and exit ; then sudo apt-get update; then selflinux should be available
<markc> NewNick, yes :-)
<deFrysk> no
<markc> absolutely yes
<kotatsu> rimmer: you might want to give synaptic a try... it gives you a GUI to install things from
<deFrysk> no
<kotatsu> rimmer: you can enable repositories and such just by clicking on them
<blino> hi
<viZion2> you whats a good gui?
<RiMMER> what does selflinux do?
<viZion2> Windows Explorer :P
<deFrysk> gnome xfce4.2
<blino> which wifi applet is used by default on the Ubuntu desktop ?
<viZion2> but guys im eating, bbl
<oggah> why is kde a better gui than gnome?
<oggah> and vice versa
<viZion2> i hope anyone solves the soundproblembs
<|QuaD-> oggah: that will start a flamewar
<kotatsu> NewNick: both kde and gnome have their followers, some of them quite zealous ;)
<kotatsu> NewNick: they're just different... I would recommend trying both and deciding which you like more
<slept> Rimmer : it's documentation in html , easy to understand
<amiroff> oggah: both of them have something working when other one does not
<markc> oggah:  try them both out yourself and save us a flamefest :-)
<oggah> ok =)
<oggah> thanx
<|QuaD-> oggah: explorer.exe is the best wm though
<deFrysk> oggah, specially gnome ;p
<|QuaD-> JK
<kotatsu> NewNick: gnome goes for a very simple, streamlined interface that presents the most common options, while KDE is more of a "poweruser" thing where a lot more options are generally available in the GUI
<viZion2> :P does explorer works with wine?
<deFrysk> |QuaD-, mouthwash and chloride
<kotatsu> while it's certainly not true in all cases, you could say that gnome is more similar to mac and kde is more similar to windows
<markc> oggah> fwiw I'm booted on the kbuntu liveCD right now... kde 3.4 is nice, comfortable
<viZion2> should be major PRO if it could work with wine :P
<slept> viZion2 : did you do a reboot ?
<viZion2> yeah lots of them
<RiMMER> ALL: ok i'm downloading xmms sourcecode, I hope I will be able to compile it (maybe with your help :()
<viZion2> but im going to eat now
<viZion2> be back soon
<slept> viZion2: you can use cygwin with windows
<kotatsu> RiMMER: you should just install it from apt, it's less painful
<RiMMER> it's not in apt :o
<kotatsu> RiMMER: you can get xmms by adding the universe repository in synaptic and downloading it
<CarinArr> hi, i have a dell inspiron 8200 laptop with a touchpad. The touchpad works fine (unfortunately;)) and it's driving me insane so i want to disable it.. i followed the instructions in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11299.html but it still works swimmingly.. getting a bit exasperated
<RiMMER> ok minute...
<ghita> hello! Can someone please help me to apply a patch?
<CarinArr> does anyone know how i could possibly solve it
<Taleel> RiMMER: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
<garrut> there are lots of ways to break your youchpad :)
<RiMMER> thanks
<CarinArr> argh, just give me one way and i'll be happy;)
<CarinArr> thing is i have a touchpad, and a "nipple" thing as well.. and i never ever use the touchpad
<markc> ghita> basically it's,  patch < patch.file
<kotatsu> a "nipple" thing
<kotatsu> awesome
<CarinArr> hah.. i can't think what else to call it;)
<kotatsu> I'm going to start calling them that
<kotatsu> "Okay, use your nipple to move the cursor to the start menu..."
<CarinArr> heh
<Taleel> the politically incorrect term is "clitmouse", I believe :)
<markc> heh
<garrut> i always call it a clit
<RiMMER> ok editing done what now
<RiMMER> ok update..
<CarinArr> cute
<slept> RiMMER: sudo apt-get install xmms
<CarinArr> anyway, does anyone know how i could break the touchpad but not the nipple
* LiSTER coughs
<kotatsu> I might be able to get away with nipplemouse at work to people with a good sense of humor, not sure about clitmouse =(
<deFrysk> never break a nipple
<Taleel> kotatsu: hence my disclaimer of "politically incorrect"
<kotatsu> hehe
<garrut> CarinArr: i think you can disable it in the bios
<CarinArr> o
<CarinArr> got a point, i hadn't even thought of that
<RiMMER> what have 'sudo apt-get update' done? did it just download the list of available packages?
<M_Fatih> rehi
<Taleel> RiMMER: exactly
<kotatsu> RiMMER: yup
<Taleel> RiMMER: you should now have lots more packages available
<CarinArr> lemme try..
<Taleel> in Synaptic, too, if you use that
<Efwis> anyone here know how I can find out the status of an oder i put in last month?
<LiSTER> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
<garrut> Efwis: just sniff
<deFrysk> LiSTER, apt-get update
<Efwis> hehe, err I meant order
<Efwis> damn windows keyboard
<deFrysk> odeur ?
<sig> anyone using skype?
<zenrox> me
<LiSTER> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
<LiSTER> E: Unable to lock the list directory
<sig> zenrox: go to #linuxdojo and talk to me
<deFrysk> LiSTER, shut down synaptic
<LiSTER> Things are going from bad to worse
<deFrysk> and use sudo
<LiSTER> I'm not using synaptic
<_BIJ_> hi@all
<slept> LiSTER: you need sudo
<deFrysk> LiSTER, use sude apt-get update
<LiSTER> That's what I'm using
<deFrysk> sudo , sorry
<LiSTER> I just did
<Jesterace> i'm stumped
<RiMMER> guys, linux rule !
<deFrysk> lister is the synaptic window open ?
<LiSTER> nope
<Jesterace> ./configure && make && make install never works for me
<RiMMER> finally I have it and I hope I will keep it forever
<LiSTER> jesterace, you have the same problem as me
<deFrysk> Spooks, how much damage have you done and is it reapairable ?
<_BIJ_> i've got a question concerning hoary array7 release... i'm using wlan on my centrino notebook and everything works fine... so far... sometimes after i had idled and my computer had activated the sceensaver the wireless connection is broken and unrepearable... only a reboot solves the problem? what the hell is wrong???
<_BIJ_> any clues????
<Spooks> I haven't changed anything apart from my sources.list, but that's working fine
<deFrysk> Spooks, have you ever bothered to read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ ?
<Spooks> Of course
<RiMMER> hey guys listen please, is here somebody who could add me to ICQ and help me when I need it? please... I'm not lame, I am just new, but I learn fast
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: what's wrong?
<goldfish_> ask in here RiMMER
<goldfish_> and listen to what ppl tell you :)
<kotatsu> RiMMER: this channel is available 24/7 =)
<deFrysk> Spooks, or am I talking to the wrong person ? if so my excuse
<RiMMER> yes yes I'm doing :)
<M_Fatih> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) ,  i installed nvidia-glx package.. ?? :(
<RiMMER> xmms is being downloaded
<goldfish_> cool
<RiMMER> by the way, linux kick ass very mach
<RiMMER> much
<M_Fatih> modprobed..
<GnuKemist> M_Fatih: modprobe nvidia?
<_BIJ_> anyone knows how to solve this "broken wlan" problem???
<M_Fatih> yes
<goldfish_> indeed it does
<goldfish_> i just installed xfce4.2 it's really cool
<deFrysk> Spooks, I think I talked to the wrong person , i apologize
<kotatsu> anyone in here use an emachines 68xx series laptop?
<GnuKemist> M_Fatih: changed xorg.conf?
<mina_linux_Tux> hey anyone may answer my question .. Does anyone knows how to use the MemTest in the LiveCD i tried to run the LivCD and to select the Memtest | Memtest --.. and what i got is switch to the text mode .. so how to use this is utility ?
<Spooks> Not a problem :>
<deFrysk> ;p
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: sorry... no...
<slept> mina_linux_Tux: if you don't know what to use it for, you definitly don't need it
<dmoyne> we cannot edit bmenu with KDE hoary ! ; is there any fix ?
<mina_linux_Tux> i want to check my memory
<CarinArr> *weep*
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: have you man memtest?
<M_Fatih> GnuKemist, yes, i do it all, i dont change nv - > nvidia, it works good, but when i change, X starts nvidia logo comes, sound works, cursor works & change in movement, but nvidia logo stops, i disable the nvidaLogo on xorg.conf, when i start x it blanks.. same as @nvidialogo, cursor works, sound works..
<M_Fatih> nvidia tnt2 32mb
<CarinArr> see i can't see WHY anyone wouldwant to use the touchpad AND the nipple at once.. but is there a way to disable one in the bios but not the other? no.
<deFrysk> M_Fatih, in that case use the nv driver
<M_Fatih> deFrysk, i want to use openGL
<GnuKemist> M_Fatih: a quick fix (just to go back to X) change it to vesa
<CarinArr> ah, don't use the nv driver
<M_Fatih> this is the problem
<CarinArr> ;)
<deFrysk> M_Fatih, I have the same card , it does not work unfortunately with nvidia drivers
* GnuKemist has NVidia GeFroce
<deFrysk> M_Fatih, wart does though
<M_Fatih> deFrysk, but i'm using in xfree other distro
<M_Fatih> :(
<deFrysk> M_Fatih, warty has an oldes version wich still works
<M_Fatih> yaaa, wft problem with nvidia, xorg sucks..
<M_Fatih> i'm using hoary..
<GnuKemist> M_Fatih: I'm assuming you got the drivers from Nvidia's web site???
<deFrysk> M_Fatih, no its nvidia
<deFrysk> nvidia driver has a bug
<CarinArr> heh.. we have to use suse at work, bought myself a quadrofx to do graphics and it wouldn't work with the nvidia drivers
<mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemit: i tried man memtest on Debian got no manual entry for memtest , and i want to use it cause i got a kernel panic on another machine than this ..one .. and i want to check the memory .
<M_Fatih> deFrysk, why, it's work good with xfree
<RiMMER> hey please, what file manager should I use ?
<slept> CarinArr: put a sticker on it
<deFrysk> older card no longer work (sounds familiair ? )
<M_Fatih> can i install xfree & use ?
<RiMMER> is here some default or what :o
<M_Fatih> in hoary
<deFrysk> likM_has nothing to do with xorg or xfree
<Taleel> RiMMER: Nautilus is the default in Gnome (thus, in Ubuntu)
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: sorry for asking the obvious but have you googled for it?
<deFrysk> it is the newer driver
<CarinArr> t'was funny.. took the tech guys weeks to fix it.. then i upgraded the kernel a few weeks later and it went kapoof again
<CarinArr> ;)
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: or gone to the developer's web site
<deFrysk> witch is foulty fot tnt64 cards
<sianis> how can i look my kernel version???
<deFrysk> sianis, uname -r
<garrut> uname -r
<RiMMER> how can I add shortcut to xmms to desktop please
<mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemist: i gone to the forums and i didn't got how to run the memtest from a live CD to check my memory
<deFrysk> rightklick it in the menu and chose add to desktop
<M_Fatih> deFrysk, what can i do, install old nvidia driver or use xfree?
<sianis> thx
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: hummm...  not sure how to help you
<deFrysk> M_Fatih, nothing really , the older drivers no longer work on newer kernels
<M_Fatih> :(
<RiMMER> which menu? I don't see it
* GnuKemist is at work and not supposed to be on irc! :)
<M_Fatih> can i use xfree in hoary?
<deFrysk> Riddell, klick the gnome foot
<deFrysk> with the 5 toes
<mina_linux_Tux> slept: do you have any idea ?
<deFrysk> RiMMER, I mean
<GnuKemist> 10 more minutes of freedom until I have to go back to work
<GnuKemist> [sigh] 
<deFrysk> M_Fatih, xfree is obsolete in hoary
<RiMMER> hm can I see my fat32 windows drivers?
<sianis> some1 can help me, install the bootsplash
<GnuKemist> sianis: did that for Gentoo... required kernel tweaking... not sure for Ubuntu
<GnuKemist> sianis: would like to learn it though... ;)
<goldfish_> hey guys, i'm just looking at d/l some xfce4 plugins, i see they come in various formats, would it be better to get the .rpm and use alien to install them or get the .gz and build them from source?
<RiMMER> hey people please, can i see FAT32 drives from windows?
<goldfish_> you can RiMMER
<RiMMER> hmm where are they :(
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: try Nautilus
<RiMMER> how can I run nautilus
<goldfish_> RiMMER: www.ubuntuguide.org
<goldfish_> shows u how to mount them
<Spooks> That fixed it
<RiMMER> thanks hm
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: am not at my computer now (ssh'ing into it from work) but it is in the menus
<sianis> Gnu: okey, just i want to try
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: just out of curiosity, have you tried memtest --help?
<viZion2> ok, im back all
<sianis> i don't need use them, just a probe :)
<garrut> hmm, i think i'm all setup, everything works like it should
<GnuKemist> sianis: it is pretty cool
<mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemist: yes nothing i to get
<RiMMER> rimmer@ubuntu:/dev $ cd /hda
<RiMMER> bash: cd: /hda: No such file or directory
<RiMMER> why :o
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: just an idea...  ;)
<rapha_> Okay. Bug posting time now. These sound issues are driving me crazy.
<slept> mina_linux_Tux : man memtester
<sianis> ther isn't mode to don't see the ok ok ok ok ? :D
<viZion2> rapha_: didnt find a solution?
<sianis> so i don't want to close my eyes :)
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: shouldn't that be /dev/hda?
<rapha_> viZion2: As I said, even recompiling didn't help
<RiMMER> doesn't work either
<viZion2> weird
<will> im getting out of sync problems in hoary with any media player starts of okay, then deterioates. wht is going on?
<RiMMER> I just dont' know which to mount
<viZion2> hoary = ARGH!? :P
<RiMMER> there are hda1/2/3/4/5
<mina_linux_Tux> slept: i said no manual entry for memtest nor memtester
<rapha_> viZion2: Kind of like that, yes.
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: use Nautilus and go to your File System
<goldfish_> oh dear
<RiMMER> I'm there
<goldfish_> my hard disk is sounding bad :/
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: see anything?
<rapha_> Btw, why isn't there a bootsplash in Array 7 ... Hoary was meant to get one!
<rapha_> crimsun: Are you still around?
<RiMMER> yes folders :) many of them
<RiMMER> Couldn't display "/dev/hda".
<RiMMER> There was an error launching the application.
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: hehehe...  your win partition should be there
<RiMMER> what if I can't open it ;o
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: haven't done it in Ubuntu (since I don't have win partition) but how about right clicking it and mounting?
<slept> mina_linux_Tux : there is i just enterd it
<Rene_S> oops
<Rene_S> sorry wrong channel window
<GnuKemist> slept: could you paste the exact command here for mina_linux_Tux ?
<RiMMER> there is RED cross X on the icon of hda
<RiMMER> why?
<slept> don't know, don't want to read the whole doc
<RiMMER> can somebody try it through VNC or something? :o
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: maybe you don't have Fat or NTFS enabled?
<slept> i can pate it in #flood
<RiMMER> where can I enable it ?
<ad-> hello
<GnuKemist> RiMMER: I've only done it in the kernel
<dabi> does anyone know the minium requirements of ubuntu hoary server?
<ad-> having a point to point connection
<ad-> win linux
<goldfish_> RiMMER: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat
<GnuKemist> mina_linux_Tux: can you check #flood for the command?
<ad-> both computers have an ip
<kent> slept, you "dont want to read the whole doc"?  But you can ask other to help you? ;)
<ad-> still i do not suceed to make them connect
<hempen> how do i open a terminal from the command line?
<GnuKemist> hempen: try xterm &
<kent> hempen, or gnome-terminal &
<hempen> Cheers GnuKemist
<GnuKemist> well, lunch is over for me
<GnuKemist> hempen: any time
<hempen> Cheers kent
* GnuKemist waves everyone goodbye
<Spooks> Hurrah, XMMS installed
<sianis> where i can setup the bootable appllication list?
<sianis> pld: cups stb
<dabi> what are the minimum requirements of ubuntu hoary server?
<mina_linux_Tux> GnuKemist: what's #flood
<goldfish_> mina_linux_Tux: a channel for pasting large amounts of text
<viZion2> rapha_: posted the bugreport yet?
<slept> mina_linux_Tux : a channel you can join , if you go there I can paste it again
<keffo> anyone been playing football manager 2005 under linux?
<slept> kent : there is a difference between helping people with things you know and starting to read documentation about things you never thought of
<rapha_> viZion2: No, I'm reading through the existing ones right now. One suggest to try to boot with `noapic' which I'm gonna do now.
<CarinArr> eureka! *reads README.alps* heh
<viZion2> ok:)
<kent> slept, ah, ok. sorry, i thought you was the one asking for help and not the other way around :(
<slept> mina_linux_Tux: are you sure there is no manpage, dpkg -L memtester
<maxchee> does anyone know an option to force nautilus to refresh after deletion etc.
<dabi> minimum requirements of ubuntu hoary server?
<mina_linux_Tux> slept: i tried to : man memtester got no manual entry for memtester ..
<slept> mina_linux_Tux: you can paste from #flood into a text file
<_BIJ_> hi i've got a windows installation on my other partition... how can i access my windows files... if i try to mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda1 i get a :"error no mount point" message...???
<maxchee> _BIJ_: you need to edit /etc/fstab
<mjr> you need to create /mnt/hda1 first
<httpdss> creat the folder !!
<Myrtti> ahhh, I'll take a screenshot of this historical moment
<_BIJ_> so i'll create it with mkdir
<_BIJ_> ?
<maxchee> _BIJ_: yes
<_BIJ_> ok done
<maxchee> _BIJ_: try the same command
<maxchee> _BIJ_: fstab will allow you to mount automatically
<_BIJ_> nice!
<kent> maxchee, I dont know of an option, but ctrl+r refreshes.  I have a problem with the desktop not updating when downloading files etc, which ctrl+r solves for now.
<_BIJ_> ok how do i have to edit the fstab?
<maxchee> kent: I am really annoyed by this since win2k has exactly the same behaviour.
<garrut> sudo vi /etc/fstab
<_BIJ_> ok what do i have to change in fstab?
<maxchee> _BIJ_: or sudo pico /etc/fstab
<maxchee> _BIJ_: pico is easier to use
<httpdss> is there any gnome integration for cvs like tortoisecvs ??
<Stuttergart> So the install media for Hoary doesn't work with my PowerEdge 1850's PERC controller.
<kent> maxchee, have you posted a bug about it in bugzilla.ubuntu.com?  That will help most of the times.
<Stuttergart> Should I report that as a bug in bugzilla or....?
<maxchee> httpdss: apt-cache search cvs
<maxchee> kent: I think I should
<no0tic> how can I add Trash icon on desktop?
<slept> _BiJ: add a line with /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 auto defaults,auto  0 0 ; joe is a nice editor
<garrut> _BIJ_: something like /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 vfat defaults 0 0
<maxchee> Stuttergart: I believe automount for now only works with common media types
<garrut> oops, too late
<_BIJ_> ok i'll do this...
<httpdss> maxchee: i know there are tools for cvs, im looking to something similar to what tortoisecvs does with folder in windoz
<Myrtti> warning, a large-ish screenshot: http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/guesswhat.png
<kent> maxchee, its one of the things i always forgets to file a bug about.  :(  And now im away from my computer so I cant do it, since it feels bad to post a bugreport and not being able to give examples of how to reproduce it :(
<dabi> will i be able to install hoarty as server on 2g hd?
<cusco> re
<slept> dabi : as server for what ?
<_BIJ_> will the windows partitions now automount?
<maxchee> _BIJ_: this is what I use: /dev/hda5       /files          vfat    gid=100,umask=00770        0       0
<CarlK_> dabi - yes
<CarlK_> dabi - the "server install"needs
<viZion2> rapha are you back?
<maxchee> gid and umask will provide you with write access to your windows drive
<_BIJ_> maxchee, windows xp has ntfs filesystem... so i'll have to change this right?
<CarlK_> dabi - the "server install" needs 350 meg, and 50 gets returned to you when the intall is done.
<maxchee> _BIJ_: are you trying to mount ntfs?
<_BIJ_> yes...
<maxchee> _BIJ_: then the problem is a bit more complex
<httpdss> _BIJ_: winXp can also use fat32
<maxchee> _BIJ_: fat32 is easier
<cusco> I have this mouse... which connects to an adaptor which translates to usb.. into the computer
<slept> _BiJ_ : don't write on ntfs
<cusco> I disconected it and now I connected it
<maxchee> _BIJ_: to write to ntfs, you need captive ntfs
<cusco> and it doesn't moove
<cusco> any hints please?
<maxchee> cusco: restart?
<cusco> besides that...
<maxchee> cusco: or ctrl+alt+backspace
<maxchee> and startx
<cusco> oh..
<CarlK_> cusco - lsusb
<CarlK_> see if your mouse is even listed
<slept> _BiJ_ : just change type tp ntfs and add an default,ro to fstab
<maxchee> cusco: you can use the keyboard to save the file
<viZion2> slept i got sound :D
<slept> viZio2: still TV?
<cusco> CarlK_: im not sure
<larsl> Hello, what source do I need to add to install WindowMaker?
<cusco> maxchee: I have a toutch pad that works is not a problem
<maxchee> larsl: universe?
<viZion2> no
<cusco> ok restart x...
<_BIJ_> ok i'll try
<viZion2> seems that in the warty -> hoary, in the Alsamixer, it changes automaticly to only digital output
<supos> Does anyone know how to edit the application menu in Hoary?
<maxchee> cusco: try the wiki
<_BIJ_> slept, do i have to reboot in order to see the drive automounted?
<maxchee> cusco: someone on the forum provided a simple menu editor in python
<maxchee> _BIJ_: well, yes. But you can mount it now by using mount /mnt/hda1
<slept> _BiJ_: make sure you don't have it allready mounted , then just mount -a
<[FiDO] > I don't think you can in hoary
<supos> maxchee: I assume that was for me, and in that case thanks
<larsl> maxchee: No, that doesn't work either.
<[FiDO] > at least not the conventional way
<maxchee> larsl: multiverse?
<_BIJ_> slept, it is mounted at the moment...
<slept> _BiJ_: umount it , then mount -a
<larsl> But surely windowmaker is "free"?
<_BIJ_> kk
<maxchee> larsl: it's a gnu project
<maxchee> larsl: I believe part of gnustep
<slept> larsl: its in universe , its called wmaker
<_BIJ_> slept, nice it works...
<larsl> slept: Doh. Thanks.
<desrt> is there any way to change the default attributes that a hotplugged vfat filesystem gets mounted with?
<slept> what is ubuntu server ?
<maxchee> desrt: sudo pico /etc/fstab
<desrt> maxchee; hotplug.
<maxchee> desrt: are you talking about flash drives?
<desrt> yes.
<slept> desrt: mount  --remount  -o ....
<_BIJ_> slept, hm one question again... i can only access the mounted device as user root... if i try to chmod /mnt/hda1 i get:chmod: changing permissions of `hda1/': Read-only file system
<desrt> slept; change the defaults
<desrt> like is there a pmount config file or something?
<_BIJ_> how can i set the permissions, that normal users can access?
<desrt> nm.  this is actually pretty dumb.  it needs a bug filed about it :)
<maxchee> _BIJ_: edit fstab and instead of change defaults to gid=100,umask=770
<desrt> the default behaviour is not sane
<slept> _BIJ_ : add  ,user to the options in fstab
<_BIJ_> for user the username?
<slept> _BIJ_: no, thats the option defaults,ro,user
<_BIJ_> kk
<viZion2> rapha
<viZion2> i got sound!
<[FiDO] > has anyone tried kubuntu.... opinions good or bad ?
<crimsun> rapha_: yes?
<[FiDO] > and does it alter gnome in any way
<viZion2> rapha_: its working :D
<maxchee> _BIJ_: edit fstab and instead of change defaults to gid=100,umask=00770
<Riddell> [FiDO] : it's very good in my humble opinion
<[FiDO] > does add anything to the gnome menus
<slept> [FiDO] : it's worth a try , kde 3.4 looks really nice
<[FiDO] > cool my only concern is someone said it adds kde stuff to your gnome menus is there any truth to that
<[FiDO] > I love gnome's simplicity I just want to try out kde
<pv_> It adds KDE applications in the correct submenus, but no other clutter.
<[FiDO] > ok that's cool I didn't know you could run kde applications from gnome
<maxchee> [FiDO] : my opinion: excellent, just make sure you install debfoster before hand
<[FiDO] > what does that do
<maxchee> [FiDO] : this is used to remove ubuntu-desktop/kubuntu-desktop in case you find one of them very nice and decide to remove the other
<rapha_> crimsun: It isn't working :-D
<rapha_> viZion2: What did you do?
<rwabel> hi
<[FiDO] > sounds like a good plan
<maxchee> [FiDO] : when you use debfoster to remove packages, it removes every orphaned dependancies completely
<[FiDO] > nice
<rwabel> I've some problems with my locales. can someone help me to fix that?
<rwabel> Unpacking replacement groff-base ...
<rwabel> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
<rwabel> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
<rwabel>         LANGUAGE = "en_US.UTF-8",
<rwabel>         LC_ALL = (unset),
<rwabel>         LANG = "de_CH@euro"
<rwabel>     are supported and installed on your system.
<maxchee> [FiDO] : it also requires less typing compared to apt-get
<_BIJ_> ok guys... now the automount works perfectly! thank you all!
<stazz> hey.. is there a listing of ubuntu packages and versions somewhere?
<[FiDO] > well you learn something new everyday thanks for the help guys I'm going to try out kubuntu
<difeta> hey all! I'm trying to get GL support in X. I've installed the nvidia-glx driver and the restrictred kernel modiules. I have X all configured and the nvidia module loaded, but all 3d applications just seg fault on load. Any ideas?
<slept> difeta: glxinfo
<difeta> well.. glxinfo seg faults too. to whoever is interested
<zenrox> difeta,  re install the 7176 drivers
<difeta> zenrox, i dont have 7176 drivers. they are 6629
<snetx10> hey, i'm running the ubuntu live cd, and i have two monitors set up. currently both monitors are working, but right now both monitors display the same thing... how do i have it set up so that each monitor displays it's own data (if i explained that in a way that makes sence)
<zenrox> difeta,  have you read www.ubuntuguide.org/#nvidia
<stazz> can one browse ubuntu package repositories somewhere?
<^thehatsrule^> nvidia twinview?
<^thehatsrule^> stazz, synaptic?
<stazz> ^thehatsrule^: without ubuntu? :)
<^thehatsrule^> lol... check the ftp i suppose
<stazz> address?
<difeta> zenrox, no i havent, ill try it out
<^thehatsrule^> for debian its like ftp.debian.org i think
<stazz> and for ubuntu?
<^thehatsrule^> dont remember ;p
<stazz> could you check your sources.list ?
<stazz> as in cat /etc/apt/sources.list
<^thehatsrule^> im not on it right now, sorry
<snetx10> anyone know how i can solve my problem?
<^thehatsrule^> pretty sure itll be on forums too :P
<^thehatsrule^> snetx10... nvidia? try twinview...
<snetx10> thehatsrule: sudo apt-get install twinview ?
<^thehatsrule^> doubt it :P
<dabi> i want a program what shows me a popup window what shows if someone connects to me at some port and shows me details of the connection like ip port and when the connection goes off, is there any app? gkrellm shows.. but i want to have a popup nad more details
<stazz> snetx10: no, you have to adjust your xorg.conf
<difeta> zenrox, Yeah, I cant do the nvidia guide from the site. The nvidia-settings program seg faults
<zenrox> or goto #nvidia
<^thehatsrule^> dont use it myself, but its prolly in the driver package
<stazz> snetx10: the Nvidia readme describes it quite well
<zenrox> difeta,  reboot
<rapha_> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6303
<difeta> zenrox, ahh... serious. brb
<snetx10> stazz: sorry i'm new to linux.. where would i find the readme
<djp> anyone know if it is possible to edit genre, artist, album etc. in rhythmbox?
<stazz> snetx10: /usr/doc/nvidia-something would be a good start
<snetx10> i'm running an ATI video card.. so that's not nvidia
<M_Fatih> i want to change my computers boot like ubuntu live cd.. i changed grub's image. but, how can i change the booting process to graphical progressbar
<stazz> snetx10: ah well.. with ati.. xinerama is the case I believe
<Funraiser> hola!
<difeta> zenrox, ok.. rebooted, and no change
<M_Fatih> in grub menu, how can i modify this menu linux ubuntu live cd's grub menu, or suse's grub menu?
<zenrox> difeta,  hmm ask in #nvidia
<snetx10> stazz: thanks.. where would i find the X86Config file?
<stazz> snetx10: www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/
<^thehatsrule^> if using xfree86, its prolly in /etc/X11/X86Config-4
<Roey> I tried to install a new kernel by building it, then running 'mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5  ;  grub-update'.  Then I tried selecting it from the menu on bootup.  It complains about a 'pivot_error:  no such file' and that it "can't open /dev/console" or something like that.
<snetx10> stazz: thanks alot
<garrut> xinerama and twinview are not the same thing
<tom_neo> hey
<M_Fatih> heey
<M_Fatih> :P
<tom_neo> i heared root is deactivated on default. if i'd reactivate it ubuntu is useable such as debian or will reactivating of root cause some problems?
<stazz> tom_neo: it won't cause any problems, but your system will be "less secure"
<zenrox> tom_neo,  no prulmub
<zenrox> problum
<tom_neo> stazz: well i don't see any real security lack, except preventing n00bs from surving with root or sth like that
<tom_neo> btw would you say ubuntu is only for n00bs or will it be interesting for people with know-how, too?
<Fackamato> ubuntu is definitly not for beginners
<tom_neo> not? thought so
<garrut> Fackamato: why not?
<LeeJunFan> why not?
<Funraiser> thought so too
<Rocco> how can i list all available accesspoints?
<stazz> tom_neo: if you really want the challenge, go for gentoo..  :)
<LeeJunFan> It all depends on what you've begun on. Wasn't too long ago people made due with DOS.
<tom_neo> stazz: heh
<tom_neo> stazz: i can't really get a friend of compiling every trash
<Fackamato> tom_neo, garrut: because a beginner doesn't know shit about apt or drivers or anything
<Fackamato> and thus he'll complain about things not workinbg
<LeeJunFan> I'm one of those people that think not everything should be made for beginners though - Airplanes and nuclear power plants aren't for beginners either.
<Fackamato> and he'll complain about having no 3d acceleration
<M_Fatih> stazz, :) i'm came from gentoo, gentoo to ubuntu.. :)
<Fackamato> so no, ubuntu is not for the 15 year old cs playing windows-noob
<tom_neo> LeeJunFan: well but an operating system is normally used by people not by professionals
<LeeJunFan> So are guns - but it doesn't make it right. :)
<tom_neo> M_Fatih: what you like more?
<M_Fatih> yeeppp
<M_Fatih> so much..
<M_Fatih> i love ubuntu
<tom_neo> well ok.
<garrut> well they should read howto's like all beginners should, and they can use synaptic, so they don't even have to know what apt is
<PacoBCN> and Ubuntu loves you
<dabi> is there any firewall with gui?
<M_Fatih> gentoo is very good, you have too many chance.. but it so hard..
<tom_neo> at the moment i use fedora core - but i wanna try sth new based on debian apt
<PacoBCN> dabi, firestarter is what you're looking for
<tom_neo> M_Fatih: well at the moment i don't have time to fight with my system, too -> so sth that just works will be ok
<Fackamato> garrut: that's the wrong way to do it
<Fackamato> if you learn everything by gui
<LeeJunFan> I just came from mandrake yesterday. I'm liking the fact that ubuntu isn't for beginners, all that extra beginner junk in mandrake is what drove me away. Too much branding and automated stuff.
<Fackamato> you have nothing to fall back on
<Fackamato> if X wouldn't start, you would be braindead
<M_Fatih> if you use gentoo, u must have so much times for compiling. debian is fast 4 package management..
<M_Fatih> tom_neo, :) use debian..
<stazz> M_Fatih: yes, it's a jigsaw puzzle to maintain..
<M_Fatih> ubuntu easy way to debian.. i like so much..
<tom_neo> mhh.. well as ubuntu is based on debian why should debian still have an advantage?
<garrut> Fackamato: so your saying ubuntu isn't for beginners because it's to easy?
<viZion2> bye all
<Fackamato> garrut: kinda, yes
<tom_neo> !damn cdrecord I/O error
<Fackamato> I mean, if you run into trouble, you could get stuck
<Fackamato> so you should have some console knowledge
<garrut> yeah ok, then i igree :)
<mrquick> hey guys, if a package description is incorrect on the ubuntu website, who does one talk to about getting it changed?
<mrquick> seems too trivial for a bug report
<tom_neo> mailinglist?
<tom_neo> from the package maintainer?
<mrquick> I talked to the package maintainer, he seemed to be involved in several projects and had no idea why it was listed as it was
<revealed> is debfoster obolote when using synaptic?
<mrquick> I guess I can bear the responsibility of joing yet another mailing list :-P
<newbiecp> Hello, i tried useradd or userdel and i get this:   useradd: unable to lock password file    what is wrong and how i fix it ???
<tom_neo> sudo useradd?
<cusco> Im having troubles to find a nice irssi theme that goes on top of blue and white
<Ins|de> hi there, does anyone is having problems with ALSA ?
<newbiecp> im root
<newbiecp> no sudo
<cusco> lol
<tom_neo> you got root by "su -" ?
<cusco> newbiecp: type adduser
<newbiecp> no real root
<cusco> tom_neo: there is a root terminal on aplications -system tools
<newbiecp> direct
<tom_neo> cusco: k
<cusco> or he can just use another tty
<cusco> err
<cusco> I mean
<cusco> from that root terminal you can just passwd
<cusco> and set a root password
<zenrox> easy way sudo passwd root
<Funraiser> I had a dream: all the distros joined forces to create a single Linux distribution...
<zenrox> enter user password
<zenrox> then type in root pass
<tom_neo> Funraiser: no good
<zenrox> then su  and root pass
<tom_neo> Funraiser: about 3 or 4 would be ok
<Funraiser> joining forces is not good now?
<knewt> anyone know a typical initial response time to bug reports?
<LeeJunFan> should kde 3.4 bugs from kubuntu be filed on the ubuntu bugtracker?
<Funraiser> it's sad that there are so many distros
<tom_neo> knewt: depends on type of bug
<LeeJunFan> tom_neo: kde specific ones.
<tom_neo> mhh?
<knewt> tom_neo: firefox bug. is assigned to thom may
<tom_neo> i meant how security relevated
<Ins|de> what package provides alsaconf on hoary ??
<snetx10> if i have made changes to my xorg.conf file and i am running a ubuntu livecd, how can i shut down the current windowing system, and restart it so that i now get my new settings applied?
<zenrox> Ins|de,  the devel package of alsa
<tom_neo> snetx10: strg+alt+backspace?
<LeeJunFan> tom_neo: not - regular bugs in kde such as thumbnail creation brokenness, etc...
<snetx10> strg?
<tom_neo> mhh no idea *smile*
<tom_neo> snetx10: crtl
<tom_neo> sorry on a german keyboard it's strg ;-)
<tom_neo> lol
<tom_neo> seemed to work
<VivekVC> I am using an IntelD845GLLY Motherboard and i am not able to get sound up on warty warthog.
<cusco> ok
<cusco> I thing I found a good one
<djp> djp: answer to your question regards rhythmbox and missing id tags, use easytag to edit your mp3, ogg vorbis files!
<Ins|de> zenrox, what is the name of alsa devel package??
<larsl> I've just installed WindowMaker, and every time I use Alt-Tab to change window the window manager restarts. Any idea how to fix that?
<VivekVC> lscpi gives me the output ac 97 for the audio controller.
<cusco> lol
<zenrox> Ins|de,  do a search for alsa and look for one that matches the ver that is installed that has a -dev on it
<larsl> Is no one using WindowMaker on Ubuntu?
<zenrox> Ins|de,  in snyaptic
<Ins|de> okay
<unkwn> anyone know anything about this error: gtranscode:
<unkwn>  Depends: transcode  but it is not installable
<Ins|de> i tries apt-cahe
<Ins|de> but i didnt find
<land0n> wow, this channel is heavily populated
<dabi> is there any firewall with gui? or some program what shows list of all connections and i can block them
<LeeJunFan> land0n: Kind of says something :)
<land0n> dabi: firestarter?
<land0n> LeeJunFan: heh ;) It's my first time here, so I'll just sit back and watch the traffic
<DarthFrog> land0n: Welcome
<zenrox> land0n,  welcome
* ^thehatsrule^ drives a truck into land0n
<^thehatsrule^> :)
<zyv> hi everyone !!!
<zyv> hi everyone !!!
<zenrox> zyv,  hello
<zyv> someone can help me to getin'work a voodoo2 under my brand new ubuntu ?
<^thehatsrule^> whoa! 3dfx!
<zyv> hi zenrox, sorry for repetition
<^thehatsrule^> long time no hear ;p
<zyv> yeah ^thehatsrule^
<^thehatsrule^> heh
<kaouete> at a time it was the best :)
<^thehatsrule^> dual voodoo2's?
<zyv> spain it's 3 world ^thehatsrule^
<^thehatsrule^> heh...
<zyv> but my home it's 4 world about pc's !
<^thehatsrule^> O.o
<zyv> yes kaouete, i still using it for quake2
<zyv> rules ;D
<^thehatsrule^> 16mb?
<zyv> 12 !
<kaouete> hehe
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<zenrox> lol
<^thehatsrule^> you can play quake3 too
<tom_neo> mhh... cdrecord is stuck. killall -9 cdrecord doesn't help. any suggestions`? ;)
<zyv> but i can't make it work again !
<^thehatsrule^> i still can play my quake3 on my 8mb card :)
<zyv> yeah ^thehatsrule^ but not in a Pentium 200
<land0n> does anybody know why I can't apt-get kde while using hoary-array7?
<^thehatsrule^> and even intel 2mb integrated :P
<Riddell> land0n: probably broken dependencies, try kubuntu-desktop
<land0n> is it because ubuntu is gnome-centric?
<^thehatsrule^> zyv: i used a 333mhz :/
<Riddell> land0n: it's because we havn't made all the KDE 3.4 packages yet
<zyv> i've heard about a kubuntu, isnt?
<zenrox> quake 3 rocks on a fx5200 128mbs ddr pci card
<zyv> i feel better then ^thehatsrule^ ;D
<land0n> zyv: I've heard about it too
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<larsl> If I want to change an Ubuntu installation to normal Debian, do I just need to change the dpkg sources and update?
<^thehatsrule^> zenrox... it wont use the dx9 features tho :P
<zyv> i dont know exactly if kubuntu it's realeased yet land0n
<akk> Are there known issues with enabling ethernet cards?
<zenrox> ya but its fast as heack
<admin0> i have that card zenrox :)
<CarinArr> right.. i have an alps touchpad, and it automatically uses the synaptics driver, however, i can't seem to disable it. When looking through the docs it mentions that alps hardware doesn't work properly without applying a kernel patch.. it gives me the patch file to run but i'm not sure how to run it.. have never done kernel patching before
<land0n> Riddell: I'm not at my box atm. Will kubuntu-desktop produce v3.4 packages?
<Riddell> land0n: yes
<zyv> so .... someone can help me to getin'work a voodoo2 under my brand new ubuntu ?
<larsl> akk: The installer wouldn't autoconfigure my card because my ISPs DHCP server is too slow. =P
<akk> I have a really generic card, but my new hoary install doesn't see it; lspci sees it but the Device Manager says "Device: Unknown" for my LNE100RTX
<land0n> Riddell: alright
<admin0> ut2004, farcry, ms flight simulator and prince - sands of time rocks
<^thehatsrule^> considering it came from 1998... anything from 16mb vram is nice
<CarinArr> so could anyone possibly help me or give me a hint of where to find more info about it
<akk> I should be on a static IP anyway, not DHCP, but the hoary installer didn't bother to ask me that.
<Nermal> CarinArr: install the kernel source
<zenrox> admin0,  so does nwn gold and et ,etf homeworld , and plaeshift
<Nermal> usually cd to /usr/src
<zenrox> plainshift
<^thehatsrule^> dhcp is easier to set up
<Nermal> and then do patch -p0 </path/to/patch
<akk> But it's not obvious how to change it later: it seems like there's no ethernet support in the kernel (dmesg didn't mention the card while booting).
<^thehatsrule^> zenrox... you play wolfet?
<zenrox> ^thehatsrule^, yep
<^thehatsrule^> :D
<Nermal> akk: probably an irq problem
<^thehatsrule^> wanna play a bit now?
* ^thehatsrule^ also plays tce if youre interested
<zenrox> ^thehatsrule^, i suck badly
<CarinArr> okay, thanks nermal
<^thehatsrule^> zenrox, lol in which?
<land0n> are any of you guys using a wireless pcmcia? How'd y'all get it configured?
<akk> I don't see any irq complaints in dmesg ...
<Nermal> CarinArr: the -p value is the number of lines to skip at the beginning of the patch file.. usually 0
<Nermal> akk: cat /proc/interrupts
<zenrox> ^thehatsrule^, in any of the fps's
<Nermal> lspci show the card ?
<^thehatsrule^> zenrox, lol dont matter, as long as its fun :>
<land0n> nope
<^thehatsrule^> i vary... in playing a lot tho
<zenrox> ^thehatsrule^,  quake3
<zenrox> then
<zenrox> thats my fav
<^thehatsrule^> hehe, i only play that on meh lans now
<akk> Nermal: No eth0 mentioned in /proc/interrupts (but that's not surprising since the kernel isn't doing anything with the card)
<akk> Nermal: What else should I look for there?
<zenrox> we need a quake3 ubuntu server
<akk> Nermal: irq9, which has the eth0 on this laptop, is acpi on the ubuntu desktop machine.
<tom_neo> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/308.html
<akk> (might be an acpi problem?  This machine has a pretty old acpi implementation)
<larsl> Is anyone running WindowMaker on Hoary here?
<Lethargy> lan pi WhoCaReS :P
<WhoCaReS> who can help me? A funny problem I have....
<WhoCaReS> ???
<Lethargy> hahah
<WhoCaReS> ?
<Lethargy> nm
<Nermal> akk: try booting with pci=noacpi ?
<zane> Hello guys...
<Nermal> and maybe noapic
<zane> whats the easiest way to install rpms or debian packages in ubuntu? i tried kynoptics but it doesnt seem to work too well
<WhoCaReS> I boot my cd and fallow the ins. step by step...but at the cd-rom check, it does not detects my cd rom
<akk> Ooh, I think I may be booting the wrong kernel.
<kagou> hi
<akk> This might be an artifact of the /boot getting destroyed by the first install attempt.
<WhoCaReS> wrong kernel?
<Echylo> zane, dpkg ?
* akk tries to figure out which kernel in /boot is the one ubuntu actually wants
<WhoCaReS> what must be the kernel?
<Echylo> zane, sudo dpkg -i namepackage.deb
<Echylo> I guess
<Echylo> :p
<zane> thanx echylo.. will this work for both rpms and deb?
<Echylo> why should you install rpms in a debian based distro?
<zane> i was trying to install opera browser but just wouldnt work.. suse has yast which used to work fine with rpms
<akk> ... and I think the answer is, I don't have ubuntu's kernel there at all.  2.6.10-4-386 is the newest one there.
<Echylo> zane, ubuntu is debian based, so uses .deb files, no rpm's
<zane> cuz i am new to linux and rpms are easier than compiling manually
<Echylo> yes
<zane> oh i see..
<akk> I think someone yesterday said hoary should be running 10-somenumberlargerthan4
<Echylo> btw :)
<Echylo> zane, sudo apt-get install opera
<Echylo> will install it auto ;)
<zane> i tried.. didnt work
<Echylo> ok
<Echylo> next step :p
<zane> it said package not found
<Echylo> have you activated universe?
<Echylo> or do you know what I am talking about,
<zane> whats a universe? :-(
<Echylo> ok ;)
<Gecko> Is there a specific amd64 channel for Ubuntu, or is it all in here?
<jason> zane: you dont want opera it is non free
<zane> but its free if u download off their website
<sylvesterxxl> hi
<nubbe> zane, check out ubuntuguide.org/
<Echylo> jason, let me explain him first how to activate universe ;)
<jason> no it is not
<Echylo> or better
<sylvesterxxl> about ubuntu
<zane> oh ok..
<Echylo> zane, read whole http://www.ubuntuguide.org
<Echylo> it has alot of 'how to's"
<Echylo> including the universe thing ;)
<_linux_newb_> may i ask what the purpose of Kubuntu when all you have to do is apt-get kde?
<sylvesterxxl> im new in linux does ubuntu need antivirus or firewall?
<zane> thanx echylo..
<Echylo> no problem
<_linux_newb_> firewall yes, anitvirus really no
<jason> sylvesterxxl: firewall no as no services are running by delltony
<jason> default
<Echylo> within 4 days you are helping people yourself :p
<sylvesterxxl> how is it that it doesnt need antivirus?
<Echylo> lack of virusses sylvesterxxl
<Riddell> _linux_newb_: what's the purpose of ubuntu when all you have to do is apt-get install gnome
<Spooks> Most viruses are written for windows
<sylvesterxxl> jejeje
<Gecko> sylvesterxxl, because 99% of all vira are made for windows
<sylvesterxxl> jejeje
<sylvesterxxl> yupiiiiiiiiiiiiii
<jason> you could run some viruses with wine i suppose
<Echylo> lol
<akk> WhoCaReS: I had a cdrom detection problem too: it turned out my cdrom was bad.
<Echylo> with which sense jason ?
<akk> WhoCaReS: It worked in one of my drives, but not in the one I was booting from.
<Gecko> yes, but you'd had to do it delibaretly
<Spooks> BRB: Gonna run some viruses with wine
<akk> WhoCaReS: The error message didn't tell me that, it implied that it couldn't find any CDROM drive.
<_linux_newb_> running winows vuri in wine is interesting
<jason> lol
<miguez> hey guys, nice to meet all, been running ubuntu for the past two days, got Anjuta working today, after adding some missing libs, now trying to code in OpenGL, wanting to make sure of what I need, as far as libs
<Rocco> hi
<miguez> for example, does Mesa come with Ubuntu?
<akk> WhoCaReS: I burned another CD from a different machine, and the problem went away.
<Nermal> miguez: surely aptitude search mesa would tell you that
<miguez> tried that
<jason> there is anti virus for linux, check out clamAV
<Nermal> miguez: so you have your answer
<miguez> thing is, I don't quite know what DRI is for, or if I have/need it
<Nermal> direct rendering interface ?
<jason> sorry GNU/Linux
<_linux_newb_> avg also has a nice one
<sylvesterxxl> i own an envidia geforcefx 5700ultra where can i find drivers for installing it in ubuntu?
<akk> miguez: 3d on the video card.
<Echylo> hmm are there actually "good' virusses for linux?
<DemonTears> plz how to change the Refresh rate of monitor  ?
<Nermal> akk: not quite
<Rocco> I'm a newbie that try to install ubuntu 4.10 but I encourred in a error
<miguez> and following the Mesa compilation steps gives me about 5 minutes of good compiling, but then fails when trying different glx files
<Nermal> Echylo: no
<Rocco> someone can help me?
<sylvesterxxl> i own an envidia geforcefx 5700ultra where can i find drivers for installing it in ubuntu?
<Nermal> Rocco: give us the sodding error message
<miguez> akk, you're saying DRI is another interface, besides OpenGL, to talk to the 3D GPU?
* Nermal wonders if all the n00bs could sod off for a while, to return #ubuntu to how it was a couple of months ago
<garrut> hehe
<Echylo> great :)
<_linux_newb_> why would anyone but a newb use ubuntu
<_linux_newb_> it is linux for newbs
<Rocco> after the first boot when I push enter the installation doesn't work and I see black screen
<Nermal> _linux_newb_: sod off
<Nermal> :)
<^thehatsrule^> sylvesterxxl: install the nvidia binary drivers
<miguez> Nermal, you code or have you coded OpenGL in Linux?
<Nermal> nope
<miguez> any clues about the glx prob?
<sylvesterxxl> where to find envidia binary drivers?
<Rocco> nermal can you help me
<Nermal> sylvesterxxl: in apt
<jason> _linux_newb_: I am no noob and to answear your question, debian with updated software and an acceptable philosophy
<Nermal> Rocco: GIVE ME AN ERROR MESSAGE
<_linux_newb_> roccoL what is the error?
<Nermal> for the 2 nd time
<sylvesterxxl> sorry im new in apt? where is apt?
<Rocco> there isn't an error message
<Nermal> sylvesterxxl: apt is where all the packages are
<Nermal> apt-get install nvidia-glx
<Rocco> I see only a black screen
<Nermal> sorted
<miguez> use apt-get in a terinal window
<Nermal> oh.. and nvidia-kernel
<miguez> apt-et is how you retrieve packages over the net
<Nermal> once you have the kernel headers installed
<miguez> from a repository
<^thehatsrule^> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx <-- i think thats the 1st part...
<Echylo> linux_newb why is ubuntu for newbies
<Nermal> again, this is all in ubuntuguide.org
<Echylo> explain
<miguez> which is listed in sources.list
<Echylo> and give arguments
<Rocco> ola
<Echylo> :p
<Nermal> Echylo: don't feed the troll
<Echylo> feed it until it blows
<Rocco> nermal
<_linux_newb_> well, 1st it tries to protect itself from the user with no root access
* Nermal modifies his ignore list
<Echylo> you can put that off
<jason> _linux_newb_: in 2 seconds i can set a root password
<Echylo> back to zero
<Rocco> helpppppp
<Nermal> Rocco: boot with acpi=off noapic
<Nermal> sorted.
<Nermal> next.
<miguez> Rocco, you say after CD boots, you hit Enter to start normal installation, on the boot: prompt, and everything goes black?
<mrquick> poor nermal
<_linux_newb_> why does it ship that way?
<Nermal> mrquick: I had a hold button at suse :(
<Echylo> ?
<Rocco> yes miguez
<Echylo> why are you whining about it
<Spooks> Can I find the exact model of my soundcard without opening my PC? (It doesn't seem to show in Device Manager)
<Nermal> _linux_newb_: I guess to stop people using root for normal tasks
<Nermal> as n00bs do
<_linux_newb_> and who would do that?
<Nermal> newbies do
<_linux_newb_> yup
<Rocco> do you know the solutin?miguez
<miguez> Rooc, Nermal suggested something
<miguez> scroll up
<Rocco> ok
<Rocco> thanks a lot
<paulsh> what does the noapic boot flag do?
<Nermal> Spooks: sure
<Nermal> Spooks: lspci
<Nermal> paulsh: disables the advanced programmable interrupt controller and just uses the standard PIC
<jason> _linux_newb_: it is more secure, sudo command then walk away for a while, You didnt leave someone a root shell
<_linux_newb_> i am not saying there is anything wrong/right about it , this started due to a comment about newbs leaving
<paulsh> Nermal, right thanks
<Nermal> the apic basically means you have more than your bog standard 16 irqs
<Spooks> Hmm, it's not there either, how infuriating. ty for command though
<Nermal> so you get entries like
<Nermal>  21:          0   IO-APIC-level  ohci_hcd
<Nermal>  22:      48788   IO-APIC-level  ohci_hcd
<Nermal> in /proc/interrupts
<paulsh> when i change the permissions on a directory, whats the diff between "chown user" and "chown .user"? whats the . for? (sorry for the random q's,just interested in these things
<Nermal> paulsh: never encountered that.. I just use chown user:group <files>
<kotatsu> jason: in one respect it is less secure - by default sudo rights are conferred upon the user for a length of time, which is easier to exploit in a desktop setting than leaving a root terminal open
<paulsh> Nermal, i've seen it mentioned a couple of times. thanks, again
<Nermal> wow.. 10 minutes back in here and that beer in the fridge is already calling me
<Spooks> Ahhh, I see why it's not showing
<kotatsu> jason: e.g., run gksudo to launch synaptic then browse to a web site that attacks a vulnerability that allows code execution - bam, root access
<jason> kotatsu: how is it less if there isnt a time limit on the root terminal
<kotatsu> jason: because root terminals aren't normally left open on a regular user's desktop... synaptic, shared folders, etc. are
<akk> Has anyone noticed that the root terminal is earlier in the list than the regular user terminal?
<bwlang> anybody tried ifolders?  i'm considering it as a replacement for unison.
<kotatsu> bwlang: tried, but it still seems very incomplete
<akk> So someone looking for a terminal might be likely to use the root terminal even if they didn't need it.
<bwlang> kotatsu: ahh.. thanks for saving me some time ;)
<kotatsu> akk: I would say that anyone who is looking for a terminal would know what root means ;)
<sylvesterxxl> how configure printer epson stilus c42s?
<Nermal> not in the list ?
<sylvesterxxl> how install epson stilus c42s?
<miguez> has anyone in here been able to write and compile their own OpenGL app in Ubuntu?  I am trying through Anjuta, no success, get glx error even when installing Mesa
<Nermal> tried system - > administration -> printing I hope
<sylvesterxxl> im not used to install nothing in linux
<Nermal> ah.  double negatives
<akk> There were a lot of epson drivers missing in warty, but I think at least some of them are supposed to be there in hoary.
<bwlang> sylvesterxxl: is that a usb printer?
<jason> kotatsu: so maybe the time limit issue needs to be fixxed but properly configured sudo is better practice than to stay logged in as root, and possibly safer
<sylvesterxxl> yes
<kotatsu> miguez: are you using dev packages? I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but it sounds as if you're missing the source code you need
<sylvesterxxl> usb printer
<Nermal> miguez: 56 people in #opengl at the moment
<sylvesterxxl> bwlang
<miguez> thank Nermal, will check
<kotatsu> jason: the main problem with the way it is currently configured is that the default ubuntu tty_tickets sudo setting doesn't appear to protect against desktop programs
<bwlang> sylvesterxxl: when you're responding to one person in particular... use username: or something like that - so that people's IRC clients can flag the message
<kotatsu> jason: in fact, I should bug that
<sylvesterxxl> what should i do to install usb printer epsonstylus c42s?
<bwlang> sylvesterxxl: when you plug it in what happens?
<Nermal> sylvesterxxl: I've told you . kindly try it
<miguez> Kotatsu, I write my own, but did so in Win up 'til now.  I understand Mesa comes with the Xorg in Ubuntu, but downloaded the latest one, and when compiling, Mesa throws out an error as if when it gets to the glx files, it doesn't know what they are
<Nermal> miguez: .h files ?
<kotatsu> jason: I can launch synaptic, enter a password, then launch shared folders without entering a password... I guess because they're both launched from the same tty
<miguez> kotatsu: have you compiled Mesa successfully?
<bwlang> sylvesterxxl: it's generally considered rude to repeat the same question in a short period of time.
<miguez> Nermal, yes
<Nermal> miguez: install the -dev packages
<Nermal> in apt
<sylvesterxxl> username:nermal to respond?
<akk> sylvesterxxl: auto-detect often doesn't know about recent printers.  Have you gone through the printer list?  Is there anything similar?
<Nermal> xlibmesa-dev for example
<kotatsu> miguez: nope - in fact I'm not much of a programmer, it's just my best guess. the things you need to compile with are the -dev packages
<miguez> Nermal:  installed libgnomeui-dev already
<miguez> any other devs I am missing?
<kotatsu> miguez: you need the -dev packages for any required dependency your program has
* Nermal plays cut and paste the same answers 
<Nermal> sylvesterxxl: <Nermal> tried system - > administration -> printing I hope
<Nermal> miguez: <Nermal> xlibmesa-dev for example
<bwlang> sylvesterxxl: you misunderstand me... in your previous message you should type "nermal:" (ie "nermal" replaces "username"
<sylvesterxxl> when i plug in it doenst detect
* Nermal ignores sylvesterxxl 
<sylvesterxxl> nermal:thanks
<Nermal> 3 times is my limit
<sylvesterxxl> nermal:right?
<Nermal> if you can't read, there is no point in installing your printer ..
<sylvesterxxl> nermal:when i plug in it doesnt detect it ... what should i do?
<cal_> hello
<_linux_newb_> descriptive pictures
<Nermal> sylvesterxxl: add it manually by going to  system - > administration -> printing
<Nermal> 4th and final time
<kotatsu> Nermal: I thought 3 times was your limit? =P
<sylvesterxxl> nermal:it is usb printer someone ask me if it was a usb printer
<Nermal> kotatsu: I just opened beer
<kotatsu> Nermal: it all becomes clear now
<_linux_newb_> it is 5:00 somewhere
<Nermal> and.. ignored..
<raetsel> evening all
<revealed> is there any tool to remove orphaned dependencies in ubuntu? (Can Synaptic do that?)
<kotatsu> revealed: debfoster
<Nermal> revealed: apt should..
<kotatsu> revealed: or deborphan
<Nermal> ooh
* Nermal learns something
<kotatsu> I actually use both
<miniX> Can someone help me with install nvidia ?
<kotatsu> and they still don't seem to catch everything sometimes =\
<Nermal> miniX: install kernel headers then install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel
<revealed> hm, i'll try them, thanks
<Nermal> then switch driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from nv to nvidia
<Nermal> modprobe nvidia
<Nermal> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
<Nermal> done.
<kotatsu> revealed: debfoster is more powerful btw, you might try that first... it steps through dependencies that are freed up after each layer is removed
<cal_> I have a problem I believe is related to the DNS problem described in the webforums.  It takes my computer a long time to find a webpage the first time, or any kind of server for that matter.  I have tried the solutions suggested in the web forum, but none have worked.  Would anyone mind giving me a hand?
<kotatsu> really handy program when you want to install stuff then remove it all later ^^
<Nermal> use different nameservers ?
<Nermal> check nameserver ips in /etc/resolv.conf ?
<goxy> hey
<raetsel> hey goxy
<goxy> someone helpme to make work intel 536ep on ubuntu 5.04
<goxy> please
<cal_> how do i know which ones to change?
<kotatsu> cal_: have you altered anything in /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/nsswitch.conf?
<yasirf> hello
<Gecko> Can anyone help me with an issue with the fglrx drivers on amd64? I get the following error in dmesg: [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 6331 using kernel context 0 - and fglrxinfo tells me that it is still using mesa...
<cal_> I have not changed resolv.conf.  I don't know what nsswitch.conf is.
<yasirf> i have a windows 2000 server
<Nermal> cal_: well. the first is the primary.. I would ping them all and see if any are slow ones
<revealed> kotatsu: works thank you, why doesn't apt have such an option?
<kotatsu> revealed: you'd have to ask the creators of apt =) probably just not a feature that belongs in the core of apt
<yasirf> and i want to Set up an Ubuntu mirror
<yasirf> how can i do iti
<Nermal> yasirf: google
<yasirf> so it auto update
<yasirf> i went to the ubuntu web site
<Nermal> though why windows 2000 server came into the conversation is beyond me
<yasirf> but the info that is for linux
<yasirf> not windows
<Nermal> well ubuntu is a linux distro so....
<yasirf> yes i know
<miniX> when i should install nvidia-glx..... so it come up i black window... and it stand error
<Nermal> another ignore :)
<yasirf> but my company uses it for the desktop
<kotatsu> haha
<yasirf> and windows 2000 for the server
<_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: so how are you enjoying ubuntu?
<Nermal> I very rarely ever use it, but I can't see for n00bs today :|
<Nermal> ..and trolls..
<^thehatsrule^> eh me?
<jason> yasirf: get a cheap box and install GNU/Linux on it for that purpose
* Nermal takes a bottle of bitter old mans ale out of the fride to warm up
<_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: yes
<_linux_newb_> missing mepis yet?
<^thehatsrule^> im really only testing it right now... really waiting for the final hoary before really trying it out
<sylvesterxxl> i have a usb multiplier and the printer is switched to it ... is it possible ubuntu cant detect it there?
<^thehatsrule^> lol are you mepis lover?
<_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: yes
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<_linux_newb_> lol
<cal_> Should 127.0.0.1 be in resolv.conf?
<^thehatsrule^> howd i know... hmmm :P
<^thehatsrule^> i dont think so cal_
<cal_> that could be the problem...   thanks
<yasirf> is that the only way to do it?
<^thehatsrule^> _linux_newb_, we'll see in a couple weeks hehe
<sylvesterxxl> can i do videoconference in ubuntu?
<kotatsu> cal_: only if you're running a DNS server locally
<goxy> someone helpme to make work intel 536ep on ubuntu 5.04 please
<cal_> Should I be running DNS locally?
<Nermal> no
<Nermal> 127.0.0.1 shouldn't be there
<kotatsu> cal_: if you have to ask, probably not ;)
<yasirf> i guess there is no other way to do it
<yasirf> with windows
<yasirf> i can not
<sylvesterxxl> can i do videoconference in ubuntu using gaim? what program lets me use my webcam to chat?
<yasirf> i have to use linkux
<cal_> I may have started a dns server locally, following the advise on the web forum.
<apokryphos> sylvesterxxl: gnome meeting
<Nermal> cal_: I doubt it
<^thehatsrule^> cal_, that is what i did, but you can use external dns servers as well, in IP format
<sylvesterxxl> gnome meeting is compatible with msn o yahoo?
<Nermal> they are a bitch to set up
<jk> sylvesterxxl: work is in progress to support it in gaim, but it's not there just yet
<sylvesterxxl> jk:thanks
<sylvesterxxl> ops i have learned to reply hehehe
<_linux_newb_> ^thehatsrule^: later
<^thehatsrule^> heh cya
<cal_> I installed bind, pump, and one other thing that I can't remember...
<sylvesterxxl> gnome meeting is compatible with msn or yahoo?
<kotatsu> cal_: you probably have bind installed but misconfigured
<jk> sylvesterxxl: nope, it uses netmeeting's protocol
<pv_> That is, videoconferencing.
<sylvesterxxl> can i see divx films in ubuntu? what program to listen mp3?
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: yes, and many
<cal_> how would I go about reconfiguring it properly...
<^thehatsrule^> xmms?
<cal_> ?
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: how and how?
<kotatsu> cal_: learn how to administer a DNS server and edit the configuration files =) google would be helpful
<cal_> :)
<kotatsu> cal_: doubt it's worth your time if you already have reliable dns servers from your isp
<^thehatsrule^> its much easier to find external dns servers
<^thehatsrule^> just use the host computer, goto network settings
<^thehatsrule^> and theres your dns settings!
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:how see films in divx and which program to hear mp3?
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: get codecs from mplayerhq.hu for divx, for mp3 playback there are a ton of programs... beep, xmms, rhythmbox, etc.
<cal_> I called charter cable and asked for the DNS servers IP.  They told me they don't give them out, buecause my computer should pull them down automatically.
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: check out the wiki at ubuntulinux.com for how to set up mp3 playback
<raetsel> but out of the box rhythmbox doesn't play MP3s you need to add the package gstreamer-mad for the plugin
<kotatsu> cal_: that's correct
<Aerandir> ubuntu doesn't detect my ethernet card, what can I do about it?
<raetsel> what make of card is it Aerandir?
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:mplayerhq.hu closed for patent infringement
<cal_> it doesn't...  the default dchp settings don't get the correct DNS
<kotatsu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<kotatsu> look at that page, sylvesterxxl
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: they're not closed, that's just a notice before the main page
<sylvesterxxl> ok
<kotatsu> if you read it you would see that they provide a link
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:you are really patient with me ... which program is it really the best to mp3?
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: none, you just have to try them out to see which you like the most... I use beep media player
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:it is a good program?
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: I like it
<stinger> PLZ help me reall quick... u gotta tell me what packets to get so that i can play MP3 files!!!!
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: it's a fork of xmms, the perennial favorite linux music player
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell stinger uburestricted
<Pyre> stinger: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<kotatsu> stinger: short answer: $ sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
<raetsel> gstreamer-mad
<stinger> thanks mate!
<raetsel> *snap*
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:thanks ..... i have to leave now but maybe i ask again same tomorrow i hope not disturbing or annoying you
<kotatsu> sure, this channel is open 24/7
<Sabator> Can someone help me out with a problem?
<kotatsu> Sabator: ?
<sig> state your problem
<sig> then we can help
<Sabator> I made a screw-up creating a dual-boot system
<Sabator> I wanna format the Linux partitions
<Sabator> and try again
<Sabator> How?
<sig> put the cd back in and start over
<sig> that simple
<kotatsu> Sabator: why do you want to try again? it might be easier to fix what's wrong
<Sabator> Windows doesn't boot
<Sabator> at all
<kotatsu> Sabator: but linux does?
<Sabator> Yes, I'm using it now
<kotatsu> Sabator: ok, it's probably fixable ten
<kotatsu> then*
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: can u help me to install it? come with me to mplayerhq and tell me what files to download please
<maddler> evening all...
<apokryphos> gstreamer-mad is not in hoary
<kotatsu> apokryphos: you have to enable the universe repository
<Sabator> how would I fix it?
<raetsel> hi maddler
<apokryphos> kotatsu: in hoary? I don't see it.
<Nermal> apokryphos: gstreamer0.8-mad
<apokryphos> ah, yes, that's there.
<Sabator> It seems unsalvagable, whenever I select windows XP the PC just restarts
<Nermal> *slap*
<Nermal> Sabator: that sounds normal
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: can u help me to install it? come with me to mplayerhq and tell me what files to download please
<Sabator> Heh
<kotatsu> Sabator: copy the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst into http://pastebin.ca
<stinger> uuuuhm... xmms hangs when I try to play a file... super weird
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: go to the download page and get the "essential codecs package"
<vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
<deFrysk> kotatsu, no
<vaijr2002> can someone help with this prob?
<deFrysk> there is a repo to get them
<vaijr2002> failed to open /home/vaijr/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory
<deFrysk> the marrillat repo
<apokryphos> stinger: do you have the mp3 codecs?
<kotatsu> deFrysk: I always just grab the newest ones from mplayer and stick them in /usr/local *shrug*
<vaijr2002> trying to get a file from there and cant
<Nermal> vaijr2002: create the file ?
<vaijr2002> hmm
<deFrysk> kotatsu, always use the debian way when helping
<Nermal> file from where ?
<carsonc> Can somebody tell me how to format a floppy disk using a USB floppy drive?
<vaijr2002> so do i have to make one there?
<Nermal> wow
<carsonc> It mounts as /dev/sda when I have an already-formatted disk in it, but I'd like to format some new disks
<kotatsu> deFrysk: I don't use the marrillat repository, so I can't recommend that course of action
<Nermal> thats like someone calling in at a garage and asking how to hand crank a car
<Sabator> Kotatsu: http://pastebin.ca/7883
<sylvesterxxl> does pen drives work in ubuntu?
<carsonc> Nermal:  It's an old computer :)
<deFrysk> kotatsu, then you should not advise him
<Nermal> carsonc: mkfs ?
<Loiosh> Yes, Syl
<Loiosh> It should auto-mount
<kotatsu> Nermal: have some of that beer to share?
<kotatsu> heh
<Nermal> kotatsu: I was just thinking that
<carsonc> Nermal:  mkdosfs  quits with an error "Cannot create filesystem" or similar
<Zyan_eq> I'm trygint to make menuconfig but need ncurses-devel.. I have the repositories added from the howto but cannot find that package.. any advice?
* Nermal dcc's kotatsu a beer
<vaijr2002> hmm
<vaijr2002> brb
<Nermal> carsonc: sufficient permissions
<carsonc> and gfloppy only tries to read /dev/fd0
<kotatsu> many thanks
<carsonc> yeah, done with sudo
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu:where to install essential-20050115 in hard drive?
<tck> sylvesterxxl, yes
<Nermal> Zyan_eq: hum,, seems to be a v package here.. :*
<Nermal> :(
<Sabator> kotatsu, any ideas?
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: you have to extract the files into /usr/local/lib/codecs
* Nermal waits for his beer to warm up
<Nermal> kotatsu: isn't all this on ubuntuguide.org ?
<kotatsu> Sabator: I see two entries for windows - have you tried both?
<kotatsu> Nermal: not sure, I haven't read the entire thing... good idea though, checking
<bender> any one able to help me with some video config's?
<Zyan_eq> Nermal: sorry, what do you mean by a "v" package? old redhat gentoo user  here
<Sabator> One is a recovery partition Compaq created. It doesn't actually have an OS on it, Kotatsu.
<Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
<Zyan_eq> nermal: thanks
<kotatsu> Sabator: so neither one of them will boot windows?
<Nermal> Zyan_eq: I'm not entirely sure.. but I think it is an "installation candidate" not an actual package
<nis> Zyan_eq: libncurses-dev?
<kotatsu> Sabator: just making sure you're trying to boot from the correct one
<sh1mmer> So I am looking at an ubuntu package and the person who is suposedly responsible for it, isn't. The ubuntu package has be changed for python2.4, any idea I could find out who is really responsible for it?
<Nermal> nis: as I said.. it's a virtual package..
<Sabator> The actual windows partition displays the windows screen, then says it's skipping autocheck and reboots.
<Nermal> not installable..
<Zyan_eq> nis: yes libncurses-dev
<bender> im doing a triple head monitor setup with an nvidia and ati card... now in fc* / RH my system runs fine and fast...with gnome and kde but in anything else .... if i run gnome... the system is soooo slow like windows98 with out gfx drivers installed.. it like paints the app on the screen all slow and everything takes forever
<bender> any ideas?
<Nermal> Zyan_eq: the codecs url wasn't for you ;)
<Zyan_eq> nermal: hehe saw that )
<yasirf> hello
<sylvesterxxl> kotatsu: i go to usr them to local and to lib but there is no codec folder only i see is forther python 2.3
<yasirf> i have a linux box
<yasirf> now
<Nermal> bender: could be mesa screwing up the nvidia glx stuff I suppose
<Nermal> dunno if it still does that
<bender> i was kinda readin about that
<Nermal> using nv or nvidia ?
<nis> Zyan_eq: I generally 'egrep ^rovides.*libncurses-dev /var/lib/dpkg/available' or similar
<bender> didnt know what to look for
<bender> nvidia
<kotatsu> sylvesterxxl: yes, you have to create it... alternatively, it looks like ubuntuguide.org has instructions on how to get the codecs
<yasirf> and i have tryed the commands on the web site to setup mirror
<kotatsu> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
<yasirf> but it does not work
<Zyan_eq> nis: thanks
<yasirf> linux tell me go such dir
<Sabator> I've only had Ubuntu a couple days, kotatsu, I wouldn't lose anything by formatting.
<bender> Nermal, Nvidia
<yasirf> i have a linux box
<yasirf> and i have tryed the commands on the web site to setup mirror
<yasirf> linux tell me go such dir
<kotatsu> Sabator: it's unlikely that it will fix your problem
<Sabator> Right...okay.
<yasirf> any one know anything for me?
<kotatsu> Sabator: if it didn't do it right the first time, it probably won't do it right the second ;)
<nis> Zyan_eq: didn't work tho. but that's the idea; you want to find a line with 'provides' and the virtual.
<Sabator> I installed Debian before I installed Ubuntu, by the way. I found it difficult to use and that's why i switched to Ubuntu.
<keyes> hello, when i shutdown my computer i've "power down" and "acpi call powerdown" but it don't stop :(
<Zyan_eq> nis: ok
<keyes> acpi -V :    Thermal 1: ok, 45.0 degrees C
<kotatsu> Sabator: so no error messages, just a reboot? no output or anything?
<Loiosh> Hehe Sabator
<Sabator> Yes, that's right
<Sabator> what is it Loiosh?
<nis> Zyan_eq: first hit was libncurses5-dev here
<yasirf> hello
<raetsel> can you boot XP in safe mode or from a recovery CD Sabator?
<yasirf> can some one help me?
<kotatsu> Sabator: ubuntu is definitely more user friendly if you don't know your way around already ;)
<Spooks> Hey hey
<raetsel> hi spooks
<Spooks> :)
<Sabator> I don't have a CD. I made the mistake of buying a Compaq. All I have is a "System Recovery" option in BIOS, which formats the ENTIRE DRIVE.
<Nermal> :D
<Spooks> Compaq rules
<raetsel> hmmm how about an F8 during the XP boot to get a list of options, Sabator
<Spooks> </sarcasm>
<spiral> hi
<Sabator> my Ubuntu partition doesn't have anything important on it, but I don't wanna lose the windows partitions
<raetsel> Compaq=HP
<kotatsu> Sabator: does the windows boot process produce anything on the screen at all, or is it an instant reboot after the GRUB screen?
<Sabator> I just bought this PC because it was very cheap for the specs
<Sabator> it's not an instant reboot
<deFrysk> Sabator, a simple reinstall will reformat the linux partitions
<Sabator> it says "cannot find xmnt2002" SKIPPING AUTOCHEK "cannot find autochek" SKIPPING AUTOCHEK then it reboots
<deFrysk> sabator do you have a recovery partition for windows on your hdrive
<Sabator> Yes, but I tried booting it, no go defrysk
<yasirf> nermal are you there?
<deFrysk> Sabator, what is on there by default ?
<kotatsu> well those aren't linux messages to my knowledge... sounds like grub is successfully handing off the boot process to NT and that's what's choking
<deFrysk> what is on there
<deFrysk> whas
<deFrysk> geez typos
<Sabator> I never checked dyfrysk, it's all hidden and I even tried checking the 2show hidden files and folders" button, but there was nothing there. according to windows, it was 3.5GB and completely full.
<deFrysk> Sabator, you maght have a bios wich refuses other osses
<yasirf> does any one in here know how to setup a ubuntu?  I have a linux computer now with linux installed
<deFrysk> might
<yasirf> i tryed what was on the web site but it did not work
<Sabator> It's the COMPAQ BIOS so I wouldn't be surprised
<deFrysk> Sabator, how old is your pc ?
<Sabator> less than a year
<raetsel> sabator this link might help http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/16969/
<raetsel> suggests you run linux fdisk and change the partition type of the ntfs partition
<Sabator> I bought it in...December, actually
<raetsel> Christmas present to yourself, Sabator :o)
<deFrysk> Sabator, pc's with windows recovery partitions are suspect to me
<deFrysk> a 400 meg ddrive right ?
<Sabator> Now
<Sabator> *No
<Sabator> 3.5GB
<BockBilbo> hey
<deFrysk> an d is on there when you bougt the thing right ?
<BockBilbo> any of you has tried out the apache2 mod called musicindex from ubuntu's apt?
<raetsel> that link has a fair few options people have tried when in the same situation sabator
<nis> yasirf: you can setup a debian system and then install ubuntu from debian.
<Roey> deFrysk:  you mean like Dell ones?
<Xira> hi guys
<Xira> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21022
<Xira> :X
<raetsel> hi Xira
<Roey> deFrysk:  Dell comes with this little Windows recovery partition
<sh1mmer> is bugzilla down?
<deFrysk> Sabator, I would google for make and model and figure out about the bios
<Sabator> raetsel that link solved my problem I think, but I dunno how to use fdisk to change it from hidden ntfs to ntfs
<deFrysk> there is now even a linux pc in wallmart wich refuses other osses being installed
<deFrysk> with is a bad thing
<tck> Sabator, try cfdisk
<Xira> linspire pc?
<Nermal> deFrysk: the cash register ?
<Nermal> "till" as we brits say
<deFrysk> Nermal, not shure where I read it
<Nermal> oooh..
<deFrysk> not linspire
* Nermal slaps cisthebestuk with a contention ratio
<raetsel> Did you read all the thread sabator? It mentions several ways to fix it using different tools. Including one for the grub menu
<deFrysk> I believe is was xandros
<Xira> Eww
<Xira> There should be Ubuntu PCs
<Xira> ^_^
<deFrysk> anyway linux distros with m$ additudes
<deFrysk> bad thing
<Nermal> ubuntu macs :P
<Xira> Imagine a PC with a Ubuntu logo on it
<Xira> That would be wicked
<deFrysk> there should be empty , no os standard pc' s
<deFrysk> free to choose
<Sabator> I saw the one about the grub menu raetsel
<Xira> I don't want Linux to be mainstream or popular
<raetsel> any good? I only skimmed the postings Sbator
<Sabator> But I don't know what yast2 is, raetsel
<deFrysk> Xira, i do
<Xira> Why?
<deFrysk> good for developement
<Xira> So it can be attacked like windows?
<deFrysk> the more the better
<kotatsu> Sabator's problem doesn't sound like a bios problem
<deFrysk> Xira, that not true
<Xira> Xirdneh: I don't want grandma running Linux
<raetsel> oh yast2 is like a package manager for other distros ( I think )
<kotatsu> he said he's inside of linux right now, and the error messages sound like windows choking, not the bios or grub itself
<deFrysk> xira thats windows fud
<Sabator> It's a problem with GRUB, kotatsu, GRUB loads windows incorrectly
<Zyan_eq> ok, since I can't seem to find ncurses-dev or qt-dev what do you guys use to rebuild the kernel?
<Xira> So you don't think there would be more Linux viruses if it were mainstream?
<sihen> is there a trick to getting wireless working on ubuntu? im setting it up in gnome and its active at eth1 but does not see the network, nor gets a ip from DHCP
<deFrysk> Xira, honestly , no
<sihen> any idea's?
<Xira> heh
<deFrysk> Xira, linux is not a virus friendly environment
<deFrysk> unlike windows
<Xira> It's an opersating system which uses a direct binary language.
<Xira> :\
<deFrysk> Xira fprot can protect linux easily
<sihen> can someone help please
<deFrysk> or clamav
<deFrysk> whatever
<[koji] > what is the key again to recall previously typed command in bash?  I tried Ctrl+R and its not working
<kotatsu> deFrysk: depends how you define virus
<Sabator> so where can I get yast2?
<kotatsu> deFrysk: malware is hardly contained to Windows
<raetsel> the up arrow, Koji?
<[koji] > it happens when I upgraded to Hoary
<kotatsu> deFrysk: it's not terribly hard to get a user to run a rm -rf $HOME script
<nis> Zyan_eq: I generally use dselect to sort packages by priority; the important development packages will sort to the top of that list.
<Xira> The beauty of Linux is that it has a small, nice, (not too much of a corporate envoirment), which very little people use compared to the mainstream market, and it's hardly targeted at all.
<kotatsu> Xira: you haven't looked at linux server sales recently then
<[koji] > raetsel not the up arrow if i want to jump to specific command in history
<Xira> I'm not talking about servers.
<stazz> http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/linuxbeat3.htm
<deFrysk> kotatsu, why does it never happen then ?
<Xira> *nix _IS_ the mainstream for servers
<raetsel> ah right sorry koji mis-understood
<spacey> kotatsu, it would still need to be +x
<kotatsu> Xira: uh... okay... "Linux isn't popular except where it is!"
<Spooks> Someone mind telling me where the xmms skins directory is please?
<Xira> I'm refering to the desktkop kotatsu
<raetsel> Sabator how about using GNU parted?
<Xira> *desktop
<sihen> can someone help please
<Sabator> what is that raetsel?
<Sabator> I know nothing of Linux or it's stuff
<stazz> Spooks: ~/.xmms/Skins
<deFrysk> I have to go
<raetsel> sorry sihen no wireless stuff here
<kotatsu> spacey: yes, and it's not hard to get an executable script onto a person's drive
<raetsel> parted is another partition tool like fdisk
<Sabator> *google(
<^thehatsrule^> but better
<^thehatsrule^> qtparted is easier
<^thehatsrule^> with a gui
<sihen> raetsel, ?
<spacey> kotatsu, maybe not, but by default things you download are not +x
<Sabator> can I unhide my ntfs partition with parted?
<stazz> ^thehatsrule^: there is no substitute for fdisk :)
<Zyan_eq> sihen: are familiar with ndiswrapper and wireless tools?
<kotatsu> spacey: things you decompress are, if they come that way
<Spooks> ~/ = home directory, right?
<httpdss> sabator: you can do that with grub
<spacey> Spooks, yes
<stazz> Spooks: yes.. the tilde means current user's home directory.
<Sabator> I need to get yast2 to edit GRUB
<raetsel> you should have parted already on your ubuntu system, sabator
<Spooks> So, /home/username/.xmms/Skins ?
<hawke_> Sabator: why?
<sihen> Zyan_eq, nop im not
<Spooks> Just to clarify
<stazz> Spooks: yes.
<hawke_> Sabator: why not just edit directly?
<Sabator> how do i do that?
<stazz> Spooks: and for system wide, /usr/share/xmms/Skins/
<Sabator> I have no clue how to do anything on Ubuntu :)
<Zyan_eq> sihen: you should check out the ndiswrapper for Ubuntu first.
<kotatsu> Sabator: btw your grub file looks fine to me, no idea what's going on... if the correct partition is in there I'm not sure why it wouldn't load
<httpdss> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
<apokryphos> Anyone know of any decent [extra]  font packages in the repositories?
<Sabator> kthx
<sihen> Zyan_eq,  ta
<Zyan_eq> sihen: that will walk you through the configuration. If your still having problems I can help
<Spooks> Ah, that's the one. Great stuff, many thanks
<sihen> ta
<snetx10> whenever i try to install a software package in the ubuntu live cd hoary version i keep getting an error message (using sudo apt-get install vncserver, for example)
<snetx10> the error message has to do with /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-lubuntu0.1_i386.deb
<snetx10> libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3
<dumbhack> Any suggestions for the best way to set up a virtual host with Ubuntu (Warty)?  I just want Apache2 and a mail server, with quota, etc.  I have Apache2/PHP/Perl and sendmail installed now.  Is there anything that I can apt-get to help set this up?  Or do I have to chagne each config file manually-like?
<Sabator> Okay guys, I think I fixed GRUB, If I manage to boot up windows I'll use my windows IRC client to come and say thanks. Wish me luck, i'm gonna need it.
<raetsel> good luck Sabator
<raetsel> when it's fixed copy the files off and format it all as Linux
<raetsel> So who thinks Sabator will make it?
<raetsel> I reckon it is 50-50
<kotatsu> what did he change in his grub config?
<raetsel> some settings to unhid the ntfs partition
<Sabator> Dammit!
<raetsel> still no good sabator?
<Sabator> No
<kotatsu> =\
<kotatsu> same error messages?
<Sabator> I think I may have...er...messed up GRUB. Lemme try and fix it and I'll reboot again
<raetsel> Kotatsu, it was stuff posted on this site http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21022
<kotatsu> "Ubuntu and my monitor."?
<Beuno> hey, I installed kubuntu over my ubuntu, with apt-get
<Beuno> now
<Beuno> I would like to be able
<Beuno> to load my gnome again
<Beuno> any ideas?
<raetsel> oops I meant http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/16969/
<^thehatsrule^> in your login screen, change the session?
<sic|> Beuno: install gnome
<BockBilbo> whats the best ftp server in the ubuntu repositories?
<apokryphos> Beuno: you installed the Kubuntu ISO?
<Sabator> Okay, time to reboot again! Hopefully I'll do better...
<apokryphos> BockBilbo: it's a matter of preference. I like Konqueror.
<Beuno> thehatsrule: gnome isnt on my session startup anymore
<BockBilbo> apokryphos, lol
<raetsel> good luck sabator
<BockBilbo> konqueror is a browser from kde
<Beuno> apok: no, I installed ubuntu, and then did apt-get to install the kubuntu desktop
<apokryphos> BockBilbo: Thanks; it's also an ftp client.
<BockBilbo> i actually want a ftp daemon
<BockBilbo> :p
<apokryphos> Beuno: Gnome is still there then.
<BockBilbo> apokryphos, i know.. but im looking for a server
<BockBilbo> ;)
<Beuno> I know it
<Beuno> just want to know how to get to ir
<apokryphos> BockBilbo: eek, bad misreading.
<Beuno> it
<Beuno> :D
<BockBilbo> ;)
<apokryphos> Beuno: It really should be there under "Session". kubuntu-desktop does not uninstall any stuff
<Beuno> yeah, I know
<Beuno> it just isnt
<Beuno> :(
<apokryphos> Beuno: check to see if you've got all the Gnome packages still; i.e. gnome-session
<raetsel> Sabator been gone a while. Either he's booting XP ( which takes a while ) or he ain't booting anything now :oS
<Beuno> searching...
<raetsel> oooh drumroll
<Sabator> I never thought I'd say this
<Sabator> but I'm so happy to see the Windows XP theme
<apokryphos> Beuno: sudo dpkg -l | grep gnome-session
<tahorg> ?
<raetsel> hehe it worked then Sabator?
<Sabator> Thanks for everything, guys.
<raetsel> you are welcome
<Sabator> Seriously, you saved my life
<karlos> hi
<Beuno> firing up the cosole
<thurston> hi
<raetsel> now backup your data and format that XP partition to be Linux as well :o)
<Sabator> I had like 50GB of anime I hadn't burned yet
<nis> apokryphos: I like the new Bitstream Vera fonts (truetype).
<Beuno> rc  gnome-session  2.8.0-0ubuntu2 The GNOME 2 Session Manager
<apokryphos> nis: cool :). I use Bitstream Vera Sans, generally.
<kotatsu> Sabator: what did you do? just change it to regular NTFS instead of hidden?
<Beuno> looks like I have it
<tahorg> Beuno: rc != ii
<Sabator> No, I'm keeping it as a dual-boot system, I'm using the windows partition for gaming and the Linux partition for...everything else, really.
<Beuno> oh
<plagerism> Why is there no kernel headers for my running kernel?? The package manager updated my kernel to 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, however there is no matching kernel?? Anyone know why??
<kotatsu> btw what's a hidden ntfs partition - what's its usefulness? never heard of that
<Beuno> so, its gone for no apparent reason?
<Sabator> Yeah kotatsu, I just unhid it. I deleted some stuff from GRUB menu accidentally, but I fixed it and now it loads.
<raetsel> Sabator I read an article about WINE on Linux for gaming, did quite a good review
<dieman> grr
<dieman> h8 oopses in the install kernel
<Sabator> I know raetsel, the performance may be good, but a game running on an emulator will never beb better than a game running on it's native system
<Sabator> See you later then guys.
<Agrajag> wine is not an emulator.
<kotatsu> ahhh interesting, it's a partition magic thing
<kotatsu> the xmnt2002
<Sabator> Bye
<raetsel> true Sabator
<kotatsu> bye Sabator, have fun
<raetsel> bye
<raetsel> we helped him get back to XP, should we feel dirty? :o)
<kotatsu> heh
<plagerism> lol raetsel, linux is about choices!!
<kotatsu> I'm a little confused as to why he didn't just copy the data from XP to linux though
<raetsel> but some choices are more equal than others
<raetsel> good point Kotatsu, wonder if his window partition mounted under linux
<raetsel> anyways he wants his gaming in XP
<sic|> about his gaming comment...UT2k4 runs better in linux then in windows
<sic|> and I ahve heard Q3 does too
<sic|> *have
<Agrajag> sic|: neither of those are running in wine
<raetsel> Here's that article about Wine and Cadega http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2005031300326RVDTGM
<sic|> hehe
<sic|> true
<thurston> i am having trouble accessing my xp partition too
<raetsel> what problem are you having thurston?
<thurston> ithink i came in just after the crucial bit
<thurston> i cant access it at all
<sic|> the point2play guys need to come out with a strict gaming/mulitmedia distro...that would be cool
<raetsel> what errors do you get? Thurston
<thurston> madee the partition through linux
<tigger|nl> I've got a question: I've just installed Webmin with Synaptic, but I cant login (https://localhost:10000) because I don't know the standard login name/password and I can't find it anywhere....
<thurston> and now have no idea how to get to it
<Agrajag> tigger|nl: webmin needs a password for root
<raetsel> it would be the root user tigger but that is disabled, your main ubuntu account can sudo
<Agrajag> sudo passwd root will set it
<thurston> have tried a few things suggested on the forum but to no avail
<raetsel> I think in webmin you can delegate stuff to other users, maybe you should do that then switch the root account off again ( in keeping with ubuntu philosophy )
<raetsel> see if this helps Thurston ( though I think it is only for partition magic related errors ) http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/16969/
<thurston> ill try that then, cheers raetsel
<raetsel> bbl
<raetsel> afk
<foznot> does anyone have a tip for turning audio on in vlc?
<pngai> After downloading the linux-source and unpacking it. Are there any environment variables that need to be set?
<nis> raetsel: how do u transition from a debian system with a root account to a no-root ubuntu system?
<raetsel> back, did you miss me?
<nis> (too late; saw the afk)
<raetsel> nis, hmm well set an account up with the full sudo permissions then disable root. I guess. Never disabled root on a running system
<nis> raetsel: I guess I could find the base package that establishes /etc/passwd shadow etc and do the edits by hand.
<Redwraith111> hey all, does anyone know how to disable the accupoint 2 on a toshiba tecra s1
<raetsel> hmm is root just there but with an unknown password? it shows something in the users and groups tool
<Redwraith111> it is broken i guess and it is jumping around
<Redwraith111> no
<Redwraith111> root isnt activated.. if your talking about ubuntu off the bat
<Redwraith111> the accupoint/touchpad just jumps arouind or gets stuck on the bottom (i move it and it jumps back) and even if a mouse is hooked up it wont detect.
<ubuntu_user23> sudo apt-get install xine-ui doesn't work in my Hoary Hedgehog version of ubuntu.. is this because xine isn't yet supported in this new version of ubuntu?
<bung__> doubtful
<raetsel> ah right - Redwraithull
<sh1mmer> does anyone know a reliable way to remove all the x components from hoary?
<nis> Redwraith111: yes but define 'activated'
<Redwraith111> how?
<bung__> use debian? :)
<Redwraith111> i want to DISABLE the touchpda and accu
<Redwraith111> i jsut want to use a mouse
<Redwraith111> because i am suspecting breakage
<Redwraith111> the mouse works at the same time as the dualpoint
<Redwraith111> but the dualpoint is broken so it randomly chooses a side to move to
<Redwraith111> ho
<Redwraith111> oh
<Redwraith111> we were tlaking about the root account
<Redwraith111> you have to set a password by using the sudo something or other passwd.. one sec ill look it up
<raetsel> and a passwd -l to lock it amd -u to unlock it
<Redwraith111> nis: sudo passwd root
<Fackamato> someone please kickban PizdaChujKurwa
<Redwraith111> then it will prompt for password
<Fackamato> -PizdaChujKurwa/#ubuntu- X Fedora is the best linux distribution. Download now: http://fedora.redhat.com
<raetsel> There  is a wiki all about htis http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Redwraith111> lol
<Redwraith111> good someone got the link lol
<Redwraith111> no one knows about the accupoint though eh?
<raetsel> not at the minute redwraith
<Redwraith111> and does anyone notice firefox is a little laggy?
<Redwraith111> to open and such
<hemphill> Does hoary have a firewall on by default?
<Redwraith111> last question: how do you disable those black squares when you minimize a window
<nis> Redwraith111: yes.  thanks. However, I want to do the opposite: I want to lockdown root as if I'd installed ubuntu native, instead of  transitioning off of Debian as I did.  I have a std root account now (I use it often for system maintenance).  Trying to learn the ubuntu way.
<Redwraith111> no.
<Fackamato> hemphill: no, install firestarter
<Redwraith111> oh
<Redwraith111> i completely formatted debian and installed a fresh ubuntu
<Redwraith111> so i dont know
<dumbhack> How can I determine the version of Postfix installed?
<Redwraith111> last question: how do you disable those black squares when you minimize a window they go to slow because my computer is dumb...
<_BIJ_> hi
<nis> raetsel: tnx for wiki ptr!
<jason> nis: setup sudo then make the root passwd random
<raetsel> well there is nothing new under the sun, someone else has already worked out the answer. I'm just lazy :o)
<nis> jason: is that canonical here? ;)
<Redwraith111> anyone know how to get rid o fthe blackboxes animation when minimizing?
<_BIJ_> one question: i want to install "gimp-2-2-4" from where do i get the apt-url in order to install it via apt-get... otherwise there are too many dependencie problems...
<_BIJ_> ???
<Redwraith111> just go gimp and shouldnt it get the packages for you?
<ubuntu_user23> sudo apt-get install xine-ui doesn't work in my Hoary Hedgehog version of ubuntu.. is this because xine isn't yet supported in this new version of ubuntu?
<bung__> doubtful
<Redwraith111> lol bung didnt you say that already
<bung__> :)
<_BIJ_> Redwraith111, the gimp version for ubuntu is 2-2-2
<Redwraith111> what about my question lol
<jason> nis: I dont think so, isnt that what you asked for?
<Redwraith111> oh ok
<Redwraith111> those animations run slow and look bad
<Redwraith111> hmm.
<nis> jason: I want to know exactly how 'root is disabled' in ubuntu.
<Redwraith111> not sure then bij
<nis> details, man. ;)
<_BIJ_> from where do i get the line i have to add to the apt-sources.list
<nis> there's no pt to disabling root if you're not really doing it securely.
<Redwraith111> the directory is /etc/apt/sources.list... you have that?
<jason> nis: it technically isnt disabled
<BockBilbo> anyone here knows where does vsftpd keep its default anonymous directory?
<Redwraith111> nis: is it a large deal? because I have a root account I just have a hard password and a stealthing* firewall and router
<jason> nis: I believe the passwd is just random with sudo set up
<Redwraith111> hm
<bung__> jason: I doubt that
<raetsel> no jason I thin the account is locked with "passwd -l"
<jason> nis: if you sudo passwd root, you have a root account
<bung__> it's more likely root logins are fully disabled
<jason> ahh
<Redwraith111> ok NIS
<Redwraith111> go to your passwd file
<Redwraith111> and change the UID
<Redwraith111> from 0 to something different
<bung__> you crazy fool
<Redwraith111> then the root account is just another account
<Redwraith111> lol
<raetsel> Redwraith, try this link for disabling the animation http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg01088.html
<Redwraith111> To disable remote login access for your root user, edit the /etc/security/user file. Specify false as the rlogin value on the entry for root.
<nis> Redwraith111: cool.
<nis> I knew all that.  I thot ubuntu had done something *interesting and new*.  What they've really done is dumbed down the system. ;)
<bung__> by disabling root access?
<nis> Well they haven't changed anything, bung.
<igraltist> hi
<nis> In other words they're using passwd -l which isn't a new idea.
<igraltist> i have debian sid, is ubuntu better to play games?
<nis> from my pt of view, sudo isn't worth the bother.
<robertj> igraltist: native games, wine, anything in particular?
<raetsel> well sudo -s is as quick su - :o)
<jason> nis: it is nice to use for users to have limited priverages
<igraltist> games with cedega
<robertj> jason: and it logs the cmds
<bung__> discouraging new users from using root for everything is important
<robertj> jason: so you can properly blame your co-worker ;)
<bung__> otherwise they'll be surfing as root and so forth
<jason> :)
<nis> jason: that wiki  page raetsel cited really answered my Q.  it discusses the pros and cons of sudo use.
<igraltist> i had read ubuntu is more for desctop build
<nis> bung__: yea but let them!
* bung__ sighs
<robertj> lgraltist: hrmmm, dunno. If it plays nice I'd say its going to be better because at least Ubuntu's stable is usable on the desktop.
<Redwraith111> nis: i dont sudo either
<Redwraith111> i rather work in a terminal with su
<Redwraith111> is there a way to shutdown x and jsut use the cmd line?
<robertj> lgraltist: OTOH, if it has nasty deps and whines you might be forced into the depraved lifestyle of running unstable
<bung__> ctrl-alt-backspace? :)
<Redwraith111> that resets it
<zenrox> Redwraith111, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
<Redwraith111> i want to USE the cmd line
<nis> Redwraith111: about the only concession I make is that I never login to the linux virtual console as root; I su.
<raetsel> an action replay: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Redwraith111> k.. then how can i start again?
<munki> anybody ever tried to get a usbphone connect to linux ?
<zenrox> put start at the end
<jason> Redwraith111: CTRL-ALT-F1-2-3-4-5-6
<Redwraith111> yeah.. i SU at a terminal
<jason> x still runing
<munki> made a modprobe for it, but can't find it in /dev/
<nis> Redwraith111: of course u can shutdown X.
<jason> Redwraith111: or change init
<raetsel> jason, how do you get back to the X session after the CTRL-ALT-F1 etc?
<jason> f7
<jason> alt-f7
* linux_galore lurks
<raetsel> cool jason, can never remember what it was
<igraltist> robertj, ok i must more read about ubuntu und how  the dist-upgrade from sid
<nis> Redwraith111: edit /etc/inittab to add more getty lines to the virtual console.
<Trixisity> Does anybody know where my mozilla-firefoz plugin directory would be?
<robertj> lgraltist: i'd stick with ubuntu and install the bare minimum needed out of sid
<raetsel> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox I think  Trix
<raetsel> then a dir called plugins
<robertj> googling seems to indicate that cedega works ok
<munki> Trixisity : try finding it with 'whereis firefox'
<robertj> I'm still kinda bumbed out that wine can't play HOMM3 for win32 ;)
<Trixisity> Thanks all
<Trixisity> found it
<Trixisity> used to SuSe :s
<munki> robertj  : Cedega can :)
<robertj> btw, Ubuntu passed Fedora on distrowatch today :)
<nis> Redwraith111: and also 'kill -HUP 1' as root after editing inittab
<raetsel> review of Cadega here http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2005031300326RVDTGM seemed quite postive
<robertj> munki: yeah but I don't want to pay for something that will just go away at some point.
<robertj> getting bochs up and going is probably what I need for HOMM3 and Worms
<linux_galore> yeah Fedora has some bad kama with users right now
<linux_galore> not hard to do
<munki> robertj : okay, I never paid a cent :) and i'm running HOMM4 on Cedega
<sig> is there a net install if you don't have a floppy or a cd drive for ubuntu?
<linux_galore> karma*
<robertj> munki: ?
<robertj> (is 4 worth getting, i've heard 3 is the better game by far)
<linux_galore> sig: havent seen one...... you will have to use debian
<munki> robertj : used my friends account to install HOMM4, and don't need to use the account to play
<Redwraith111> lol guys that didnt work
<Redwraith111> haha
<munki> robertj : off cause HOMM4 is better than HOMM3 , but they are both old games !
<Redwraith111> i had to reboot because it says the xserver was already running
<robertj> munki: I bought it a year after it was out and it's still a great game
<robertj> plays fine under SP 2
<Redwraith111> ubuntu was alot easier than debian for installing fglrx drivers
<munki> robertj : okay :) HOMM is a great game, never expires...
<robertj> yeah, but is it a better game than 3 or just different?
<munki> robertj : else Cedega isn't any expencive to use
<Redwraith111> lol can wine run mohaa? or do i have to buy cedega
<robertj> I'd love a wine compatability list for Ubuntu
<munki> Wine is bad for playing games !
<linux_galore> if you pay monthly cedega is pretty cheap......only need to pay for 3 months subscription and cedega is yours to keep
<kensai> Redwraith111, build cedega from source it's free
<Redwraith111> if i knew how
<robertj> I'll definately take my 3 games and see how they do with Hoary when it hits stable
<Redwraith111> is it a tarball?
<kensai> cvs
<Redwraith111> hoary is pretty much stable robertj
<Redwraith111> hm
<topyli> robertj: i doubt it's a distro issue, wine is wine
<robertj> Red: I know, I've been running it for months
<Redwraith111> im gonna need a walkthrough lol
<robertj> topyli: I know but versions change
<linux_galore> Redwraith111:  www.frankscorner.org
<Redwraith111> forok
<robertj> and google indicates taht Homm3 worked at one time, but now it does not
<linux_galore> everything wine is there
<kensai> Redwraith111, there is a walkthrough google
<Redwraith111> and cedega
<Redwraith111> thanks kensai haha
<sic|> robertj: or you could just biuld a dedicated game box...only thing I have a windows box for is games...nothing else is even installed on it
<topyli> robertj: sure. you get the wine release that runs your apps. the distros ship whatever seems to be available at relase time
<nis> Redwraith111: I often start a second xserver to hot-key into when 'mom' shows up and there's um questionable graphics on the screen.  I have a wholesome environment at-the-ready with a single keybinding. ;)
<robertj> sic: yeah, the only time I really play though is when I visit my parents so it has to be the laptop ;)
<linux_galore> frankscorner is one of the best wine/crossover/cedega hack sites Ive seen
<kensai> the best tool of a linux user should be google
<Redwraith111> how can you run anothe rx server?
<Redwraith111> you HAVE to tell me that
<linux_galore> www.google.com/linux   the must know Linux tool
<raetsel> amen to that kensai
<Redwraith111> just for other uses
<sippeter> HELP HELP: Where is this from: "Uppy, Stewie wants to go uppy"?
<Redwraith111> i agree
<Redwraith111> but it takes work lol sometimes
<Redwraith111> anyway running another xserver? how
<Redwraith111> lol
<raetsel> and the google groups as well
<kensai> gentoo gives cedega free from portage
<Redwraith111> cedega from cvs.. is that eaaaaaasy
<Redwraith111> lol
<raetsel> well bye for now
<raetsel> goodnight
<linux_galore> Ive got a machine running Vidalinux.....its basically Gentoo made easy
<Redwraith111> nis: how do i set up another x server? i would imagine is slow
<robertj> old games are awesome, I remember how my monstrous p 133 with 64 megs of ram could play the 64 meg maps but none of my firneds could
<topyli> Redwraith111: just run it. you can run as many X servers you like (if i understand what you mean)
<Redwraith111> i thought you could only run one x server
<Trixisity> It's kinda irritating, that mozilla keeps asking me on several sites to install the application/x-java-vm plugin, has anybody solved that/
<kensai> Redwraith111, maybe you can take a cedega tarball from a gentoo portage mirror and ./configure && make && make install
<Redwraith111> nah i got hte cvs instructions
<robertj> I made a map a few years ago that took 10 minutes to cross with the main unit ;)
<Redwraith111> have*
<Redwraith111> is there a cvs package on ubuntu repos?
<nis> Redwraith111: not slow at all.  I generally copy the exec ${HOME}/startx.d/_startx -- :1 > ~/startx.errorlog 2>&1 &startx script to _startx and then:
<Redwraith111> i can just stick with what igot
<Redwraith111> ill write a kill script
<robertj> ok guys been fun, check yall around tonight
<Redwraith111> or somethign
<nis> bad paste
<kensai> I just realized today thta from nearly 400 distros there existe there are only like 5 which are good
<nis> Redwraith111: not slow at all.  I generally copy the startx script to ~/startx.d/_startx and then:  exec ${HOME}/startx.d/_startx -- :1 > ~/startx.errorlog 2>&1 &
<Redwraith111> do you guys have to click on the title bar to bring a window to front or did i mess a setting?
<petemc> kensai: good is relative
<nis> Redwraith111: so the essential is (at the console) 'startx -- :1'
<kensai> but is a better statistic than windows cause there only exist one and is worthless
<geneo93> there all good just different use for them
<sic|> Trixisity, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16230&postcount=48
<Redwraith111> YES kensai
<Redwraith111> im setting that s my msn
<Trixisity> thanks sic
<Brunellus> hey all.
<sippeter> Fuck.
<Brunellus> anybody running fluxbox in the house?
<topyli> kensai: of the 400, probably 350 are very special-purpose custom distros to do one thing. then there's 40 beginners and 10 that count as something for the general public
<sippeter> sowwy.
<Redwraith111> lol
<Redwraith111> i am installing flux tomorrow
<Redwraith111> i want to play with it again
<Redwraith111> im too busy tonight
<kensai> topyli, and you take gentoo and make the one you need and don't need the othe 300+ worthless distros
<syn-ack> The last time I ran flux, I was running Gentoo on my old G3 333 /w 98 Megs RAM
<topyli> kensai: probably. i'm used to customizing debian for any purpose i'm building a box for :)
<nis> Redwraith111: title-bar clicking is a function of your chosen window-manager.  Each has it's own idea about this.
<Brunellus> I'm running flux now, and liking it
<Brunellus> although.
<kensai> topyli, good one debian and gentoo are the best to customize your needs I'm in love with both debian when I feel like not compiling in the box I put it ;)
<nis> I like sawfish.
<Brunellus> I'm trying to work out how to make it run dockapps when it starts without those same apps running when I run gnome
<andrewski> xfwm4 rocks the house!
<topyli> Brunellus: in ubuntu, do you get the debian menu when you install fluxbox or E or another simple window manager, or do you have to build a menu?
<syn-ack> a base Gentoo install is about 1 gig, thats not bad if Im running something "custom" and I dont mind taking the space. For all other "custom" installs its Debian, seeing that I can get a base install of that down to about 500 megs
<Brunellus> topyli:  you will have to build a menu.
<nis> I use 'wmsetbg' from windowmaker tho.
<geneo93> Brunellus:  you need some kde apps for that
<topyli> kensai: yes
<topyli> Brunellus: ah. not too bad still, at least with E
<Brunellus> do NOT use the fluxbox .deb on the warty repositories
<Brunellus> it is ANCIENT.  find a 0.9.12 .deb;  things will run nicely.
<kensai> which version is enlightenment in ubuntu?
<syn-ack> or if Im building my custom routers with a Soekris, I use Peanut linux
<syn-ack> kensai: the same one thats in the rest of the world. E 16
<syn-ack> kensai: I *highly* doubt E 17 would be in there.
<nis> topyli: the 'menu' package does that I believe.
<Brunellus> geneo:  why KDE apps?
<topyli> kensai: nobody has E more recent than .16 i guess, except real E sportsmen :)
<kensai> syn-ack, I was using e17 alpha in gentoo a few days ago from cvs and is going to impress everybody is so awesome
<topyli> nis: comes with universe :)
<Brunellus> what I'm looking for is a way to fudge the init script so that it runs wmix and wmcpuload when flux starts
<Brunellus> but otherwise does nothing if I want to run gnome
<geneo93> Brunellus:  fluxbox uses them
<ikaro> sorry. fixed.
<nis> topyli: for example I have full menus in blackbox (forced to use it because sawfish is broken until I finish the upgrade to ubuntu).
<syn-ack> kensai: inho, E 17 is like the HURD... its the WM of the future... The future will never come though
<Redwraith111> how is kubuntu guys?
<topyli> kensai: E17 is very neat, i just hope it will be usable one day :(
<Roey> Redwraith111:  ok
<Riddell> Redwraith111: we're very well thanks
<apokryphos> Redwraith111: great. :)
<kensai> syn-ack, the hurd is the future in like 10 years more if they don't switch kernels again
<Roey> apokryphos:  aren't you speaking on #kubuntu as well
<Redwraith111> nice
<Redwraith111> i like gnome
<Redwraith111> ill try it someday
<syn-ack> kensai: thats my point. :)
<apokryphos> Roey: I am. :)
<topyli> nis: i'm also quite accustomed to the (admittedly pretty unwiedly) debian menu by now, so that should be enough for me
<syn-ack> kensai: Ive used Gnome since I was using RedHat 5.2.
<kensai> syn-ack, ;)
<Brunellus> geneo:  again, what do the kde apps have to do with what I'm trying to do?
<syn-ack> kensai: Im quite fine with that. :D
<syn-ack> Hell, Im thinking about using SawFish as Gnome's WM like back in the day.
<geneo93> i dunno what your trying to do
<neighborlee> I dont need concensus of a hundred people here LOL but just wondering what email client you all use and why...
<topyli> syn-ack: i always reverted back to E before gnome got to 2.2 or so
<HrdwrBoB> I use evolution and mutt
<topyli> then it got better
<HrdwrBoB> evolution because it's easy
<HrdwrBoB> mutt because it rocks
<nis> topyli: I generally use the Debian menu only to remind me of what's on the system; I launch everything in an xterm tho. ;)
<neighborlee> I love evo but its horriby buggy here in hoary
<andrewski> neighborlee: horribly buggy?
<syn-ack> Evolution, bucause I thought all the others with the exception of mutt suck
<garrut> thunderbird for me
<neighborlee> andrewski, horribly buggy yes
<kensai> syn-ack, gnome rulez
<andrewski> neighborlee: which version are you using?
<topyli> nis: well it's hard to find stuff on menus anyway :)
<neighborlee> andrewski, it woudn't even 'reply' to emails right without giving a relay error and its crashed way too much
<neighborlee> andrewski, latest that came with hoary
<nis> topyli: The debian menu comes into its own when a visitor pops in and wants to use my machine tho.
<neighborlee> andrewski, 2.2.1.1
<topyli> nis: well yes, it does have _everything_ in there :)
<syn-ack> The only thing I use mutt for nowadays is internal mail though
<Anubis> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages
<Anubis>   404 Not Found
<nis> syn-ack: I've been using sawfish since I first saw it in GNOME yrs ago.  I like it.
<EsK> hey how can i check my computer specs
<andrewski> neighborlee: well, 2.2 is the latest stable version, maybe you should downgrade.  or, perhaps more stable would be going back to the 2.0 version.  using packages in hoary is hit-or-miss, and evo 2.1 was a development version, so i'm not sure what you expected. :P
<syn-ack> nis: Those were the days.....
<neighborlee> andrewski, its also slow'ish I find to respond to things unlike sylpheed or say thunderbird..but it might be that what came with hoary is bleeding edge and to be expected I dont know
<Silvergun> so why cant you people give firefox its real fucking icon instead of some ulgy blue world that's missing the firefox
<EsK> lol
<EsK> true that
<ells> anyone familiar with acidrip
<kensai> Silvergun, the icon is not gpl
<sippeter> My braces hurt.
<andrewski> neighborlee: well, it's larger.  you could try balsa: email only, but still GTK+2.
<nis> EsK: dmesg ?
<Trixisity> wget http://copy.the.correct/url/from/your/browser
<EsK> what
<neighborlee> andrewski, I expect them to ship half way stable versions frankly even if its hoary ;-) ( considering hoary is stabalizing nicely now ) but hey that just me <wink>
<Trixisity> what would he mean with that
<warmfreeze> hi everyone
<andrewski> neighborlee: if evo releases it, it ends up in hoary.  until hoary is stable, you can't expect stable *upstream* software...
<syn-ack> Silvergun: iirc, the icon is NPL not GPL
<Silvergun> kensai: oh. well tons other apps get their real icons, and the icon is seriously one of the coolest things about firefox.
<ells> anyone familiar with the program acidrip
<EsK> hey, can someone send me that script that shows you the computer specs
<neighborlee> andrewski, yeah I know evo does quite a bit indeed and sadly thunderbird doesn't handle global filters making it rather pita to setup..can't win LOL
<andrewski> ells: you can usually take silence as no. :P
<Silvergun> so...figure out a way around it :P
<andrewski> neighborlee: i'd suggest balsa... again.
<warmfreeze> this is the coolest OS sence BeOS
<warmfreeze> lol
<ells> andrewski: are you trying to be rude man
<neighborlee> andrewski, I might try just grabbing evo earlier and see or just go with thunderbird shrug....
<kensai> Silvergun, nah is just one of my guess but the real firefox icon is not even used in gentoo
<syn-ack> Silvergun: call Netscape and bitch at them if it makes you that mad.
<neighborlee> andrewski, hmmm yes I know of balsa..Ill take a look
<andrewski> ells: no, sorry.
<ells> andrewski, just hoping someone had some answers. Will check back later
<Silvergun> ite i will do that. thx
<ells> andrewski, it is all good
<andrewski> ells: it's just that typically repeating your question so soon after asking can be annoying. :)
<Anubis> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages
<Anubis>   404 Not Found
<kensai> Silvergun, tell us what response you get from the netscape people
<andrewski> ells: but no sweat; i'm not trying to be a pain.
<nis> ells: nothing is all good /pedant
<Anubis> anyone have a hoary-update link in there apt source list?
<syn-ack> kensai: no doubt that I would love to hear it. :)
<Silvergun> kensai: k
<ells> andreski, undestand, but sometimes when people typ over you and the text seems to sometimes get lost or unanswered
<kensai> LOL
<Silvergun> but wait, netscape and not mozilla?
<syn-ack> Silvergun: Netscape OWNS mozilla
<Silvergun> word
<kensai> Silvergun, netscape are the fathers of mozilla
* KarlosII kicks apple computer in the groins
<Silvergun> wait, ima check /. archives on the firefox icon
<syn-ack> I thought everyone knew that.
<Silvergun> i remember seeing somethign abotu it
<Silvergun> I did
<Silvergun> but i was jsut thinking mozilla would be in greater contact with the users
<EsK> how do you pernounce mozilla, is it like, moh ZIL LAAA or like mozeeah
<syn-ack> I dont see what the fuss is about for a damned icon anyway
<Silvergun> EsK: dictionary.com
<Silvergun> i thin it's MO zilla
<syn-ack> its mo zilla
<EsK> ok
<geneo93> u can use any icon you want
<EsK> where can u find a script that shows your comp specs
<nis> mo ZIL a
<syn-ack> Mozilla           [Derived from "{Mosaic} killer/Godzilla"?] 
<nis> EsK: dmesg
<EsK> wtf is dmesg
<andril> hello all
<syn-ack> There you have it. Straight from dict
<geneo93> just stick it in /usr/share/pixmaps/
<nis> Mosaic was nice back in the day.
<syn-ack> EsK: man dmesg
<nis> Esk try it.
<EsK> im not linux, this is my windows bot
<EsK> box*
<EsK> i got this box made for me, and i dont know the specs and i was just wondering
<syn-ack> EsK: then let google be your friend.
<EsK> i've been doing that
<topyli> EsK: here's one: http://siltala.net/system-info.sh -- didn't write it, found it on the web. it tells you pretty much
* syn-ack spins Guns 'n Roses - Night Train
<nis> EsK: something in Control Panel maybe.
<warmfreeze> bbl ..goign to go try this live CD
<syn-ack> Man, Im in love with this box.
<andril> does any one know the name of the Dock for gnome?
<Silvergun> syn-ack, kensai, etc: it's something to do with its trademark
<Silvergun> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/02/msg01877.html
<Silvergun> from debian itself^
<syn-ack> andril: gnome-panel
<Silvergun> Unfortunately it seems these icons and even
<Silvergun> the name "Firefox" (and Mozilla even) are trademarked and can't be
<Silvergun> used except with the official builds or permission of the Mozilla
<Silvergun> Foundation (see http://mozilla.org/foundation/licensing.html and
<Silvergun> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=50876)
<njan> according to the wpa howto on the ubuntu wiki, wpasupplicant is in universe, but I don't see it; is it in hoary and not warty or something?
<Silvergun> that's what i thought all along, kinda ghey
<Silvergun> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/genocider/firefox_abstract_01_png.png kewl
<cavediver> Hi. How do I disble the Nvidia logo under Hoary. I've added Option "NoLogo" "True" under Device section with no luck.
<syn-ack> cavediver: for the most part you dont.
<njan> cavediver, 1, not True.
<Silvergun> uhhh...
<njan> cavediver,         Option "NoLogo" "1" # Disable nVidia splash logo on starting X. <= that's what I have in my XF86Config-4
<^thehatsrule^> :P
<cavediver> njan: ok will do that, Thanks
<njan> Silvergun, server split. One freenode server has decided not to talk to another. :)
<njan> cavediver, yw
<Silvergun> njan: I know lol
* netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> niven.freenode.net
<njan> Silvergun, :p
<Silvergun> just funny when it happens in the middle of a convo
<njan> Silvergun, indeed.
<BockBilbo> hello??
<njan> kornbluth has done this a few times today iirc. I wonder if freenode is being DoS'd again
<njan> BockBilbo, hi.
<Silvergun> njan: just curious, why are you stuck in xfree?
<njan> Silvergun, running warty.
<Silvergun> ah, not by choice
<BockBilbo> ... can anyone tell me what does the first 3 mean in this "ls -ld /home/ftpsite" command result ??? : drwx------    3 virtual  virtual      4096 Jul 30 00:39 /home/ftpsite
<njan> Silvergun, the reason I run ubuntu is because I don't want to break shit. I've been running xorg for ~18 months straight, but I need stable software, and I'm not hacking warty to bits just so I can use xfree in the few weeks before hoary's released :)
<darkling> BockBilbo: It's the number of links to the file.
<BockBilbo> of links?
<BockBilbo> darkling, which kind of links?
<njan> BockBilbo, hard/soft links.
<Silvergun> aye
<darkling> Hardlinks.
<darkling> (_not_ softlinks)
<njan> darkling, no? didn't know that
<njan> BockBilbo, man ln
<darkling> In this case, it's got one link from the parent directory,
<njan> darkling, I suppose that makes sense, though.
<darkling> one from the "." it contains, and one from a ".." in a directory inside it, I think.
<Smeven> hi\
<Smeven> I was wondering if libflash worked at all in amd64?
<cavediver> Actually the NoLogo 1 didn't work. Is there another option in Hoary ?
<cavediver> Smeven: I don't get flash to work on my system either
<Silvergun> did you try it with the quotes
<cavediver> yes
<cavediver> Option "NoLogo" "1"
<cavediver> Under device
<Silvergun> prolly something different in xorg
<cavediver> really strange.
<cavediver> Maybe.
<Dillweed> cavediver: did you restart X
<cavediver> yes
<cavediver> maybe that option is changed in x.org
<Smeven> cavediver: i load the plugin and it just crashes firefox
<_kees_> .
<cavediver> oh ok
<Dillweed> cavediver: here is the command from nvidia.com readme
<Dillweed> cavediver: Option "NoLogo" "boolean"
<cavediver> Yes i know. And from what i recall, it did work in Warty
<Dillweed> cavediver: so I think you would do this option "NoLogo" "true"
<cavediver> But after an upgrade it doesn't work
<cavediver> Tried true
<Dillweed> cavediver: then do a clt-alt-backspace
<Smeven> Anyone know how I go about getting the flash plugin working on amd64
<cavediver> Don't work
<Dillweed> cavediver: what did u update?
<burbuja> hi all
<cavediver> from warty to hoary
<cavediver> from xfree to x.org
<Dillweed> cavediver: what does your xorg.conf say?
<Dillweed> cavediver: can you dcc it the file to me?
<cavediver> Dillweed: will put it on the web, hang on
<Dillweed> k
<njan> cavediver, the option doesn't change, xfree => xorg. My config file has been identical for both for the last ~6 months, apart from font-specific stuff.
<njan> cavediver, No Logo 1 should work.
<cavediver> strange
<cavediver> http://helium.terminal.se/dump/XF86Config
<Dillweed> cavediver: are you using xorg.conf or xf86config for the config file for X?
<cavediver> hang on.. is it the wrong file I'm editing !!
<cavediver> ohh, maybe that is the problem :
<cavediver> I assume it was the same config as before..
<cavediver> Aaaaahhh
<Dillweed> cavediver: xorg use xorg.conf
<cavediver> i see
<cavediver> :)
<cavediver> No wonder
<njan> cavediver, :)
<Dillweed> cavediver: your xorg log should show what file it is parsing.
<phxguy> Can anyone help with the modprobe error??? I followed the instruction on ubuntuguide but i am still getting the error
<Dillweed> phxguy: what is the error?
* Elysium_ tickles cavediver *goooli goooli*
<andril> hello all
<phxguy> Dillweed: would the error show up in the system logs??? dont remember the whole thing but it says modeprobe fatal ..... device does not exist
<syn-ack> phxguy: it will show in dmesg
<Dillweed> phxguy: the only thing that I know about modprobe is if the hardware isn't there the module won't load
<phxguy> hmmm
<marcin_ant> hi all
<marcin_ant> short question
<shubist> congrats on knocking Fedora down on distrowatch.
<Dillweed> but geez i really fedora and those rpm;s
<marcin_ant> when can I find good howto about printer sharing on ubuntu?
<marcin_ant> I got desktop with printer shared with samba
<syn-ack> YAY! the net is unsplitting
<njan> Goddamnit.. bittorrent is like Zeno's paradox, the transfer rate just keeps going down in the last 5%...
<EsK> anyone got a script to show your comp specs to everyone
<phxguy> anybody else have any ideas about modprobe fatal errors
<Dillweed> esk: look on www.mircscripts.org
<EsK> ] i did
<Elysium_> phxguy, yes, wrong module, wrong hardware
<Dillweed> tons there.
<syn-ack> SYSTEM GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.10-5-k7, GLIBC 2.3.2 | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+, 1658Mhz, 256KB cache, 3284 BMIPs | RAM 181MB of 1520MB Used | SWAP 0MB of 847MB Used | STORAGE 114G reiserfs, 761M tmpfs, 45M ext2 | UPTIME 1 Day, 17 Hrs, 52 Mins | LOAD 0.06 0.04 0.00
<syn-ack> Like that?
<EsK> yeah
<EsK> wait no
<phxguy> Elysium_: well how do i find out what its trying to load?
<EsK> uh
<Dillweed> your not using xchat though
<EsK> yeah
<EsK> nvm
<EsK> anyone mirc scripts
<Elysium_> phxguy, start from the beginning. what are you trying to do?
<^thehatsrule^> EsK... theres a hell a lot of mirc scritps that does that
<EsK> well i cant find any
<Dillweed> EsK: try google.  Or use the nnscript
<syn-ack> EsK: I would NEVER use mIRC on anything.
<^thehatsrule^> then you dont know www.google.com
<Nermal> EsK: google mirc sysinfo
<Nermal> just use xchat on doze
<phxguy> when i boot up i get modprobe Fatal  ...... device does not exist
<Elysium_> and is that messing up anything?
<Dillweed> phxguy: the wrong module is loading for your hardware
<phxguy> Elysium_: it mentions something about pcielp
<Elysium_> or you just want to get rid of the message?
<syn-ack> phxguy: thats ok. thats hotplug
<phxguy> but i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide for the error and i still get it
<syn-ack> Its not loading the pci-x driver.
<Elysium_> yea
<Elysium_> usplash would be a nice hood to cover these messages :)
<Elysium_> can't wait
<phxguy> syn-ack: could this be the reason why my External USB drive doesn't always show up on my desktop???
<syn-ack> phxguy: you didnt follow it correctly then, because that needs to be blacklisted.
<phxguy> well I added it to the end of the file with those other things and saved the file....
<phxguy> I will double check it suppose
<EsK> [Operating System] :-[WinXP Pro (5.1 - 2600)]  [CPU] :-[1-AMD , 1499MHz, 256KB]  [RAM] :-[Usage: 175/512MB (34.18%)]  [Uptime] :-[Now: 24mins 7secs] -[Record: ]  [Resolution] :-[1024x768 32bit 60Hz] 
<EsK> [Free Space] :-[C 33.86/38.33GB] -[Total 33.86/38.33GB] 
<HrdwrBoB> EsK: please do not do that
<EsK> my bad i was just checking
<syn-ack> thats some uptime.
<Elysium_> syn-ack, HAHA
<EsK> whats is mean by 1-amd
<^thehatsrule^> 1 cpu...
<Elysium_> cpu 1 probably
<shubist> sweet, i found 50 blank cds in my brothers room. I now have 50 blank rewritable cds
<Elysium_> heh
<Elysium_> I'm glad you're not my brother
<syn-ack> shubist: nothing like a lil jack to make the home a happy place. :p
<shubist> haha
<Elysium_> "I found a girl in my bros room, now I have a girlfriend!"
<shubist> LOLl
<aspire> hello
<aspire> i am using ubuntu
* Elysium_ claps for aspire *clap*
<aspire> and have a windowze machine
<aspire> Elysium_,
<aspire> thanks
<aspire> can you give me a hand here
<phxguy> > # Added 21MAR05 - UbuntuGuide
<phxguy> > pcihelp
<phxguy> > shpchp
<phxguy> > hw_random
<phxguy> syn-ack: here is what i have in the blacklist file :::
<aspire> i am connecting it peer to peer
<nis> hehe
<Elysium_> aspire, ask your question! :)
<aspire> but they dont finde eachother
<Nermal> aspire: crossover cable ?
<Nermal> and they can't ping each other ?
<aspire> Elysium_, no usb2 datalink
<Nermal> HAR
<Nermal> GFL
<Elysium_> uhh
<aspire> Nermal, usb2 datalink
* nis notes that 'will/can you help me' is a meta-question
<Nermal> use ethernet :P
<aspire> no i cant ping
<Nermal> much easier :)
<aspire> Nermal, i dont have ethernet but i hav usb2 and would like to use it
<andrewski> is this forum descending into partial sentences and unintelligible drivel?
<Jesterace> host[mana]  os[Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 - Debian 3.1]  up[41 minutes]  cpu[AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+, 1916.547 MHz (3801.08 bogomips)]    cache[512 KB]  mem[399.67/1012.24 MB (39.5%)]  users[1]  load[0.16]  procs[71]  swap[0.00/486.30 MB (0.0%)]  disk[23330.94/302610.68 MB (7.7%) (WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0)]  video[ at 1600x1200 (24 bits)]    xchat[Version: 2.4.1]   eth0[in: 19.14 MB, out: 1.09 MB] 
<phxguy> any ideas syn-ack ???
<aspire> so i have the device set up drivers and the usb0 is up
<aspire> still cant ping each other
<bob2> Jesterace: please don't
<aspire> what am i doing wrong Nermal
<aspire> Elysium_, do you know
<nis> bbl.
<Brunellus> flux users?
<Elysium_> aspire, I have never setup peer 2 peer usb hat way .. I'm not sure if you would need proprietary driver
<Elysium_> aspire, did you have to install any drivers on the windows side?
<aspire> yes
<aspire> but i have the drivers installed
<aspire> and it works
#ubuntu 2005-04-02
<Jesterace> bob2, whatever dude chill
<aspire> the connection is activated
<petemc> if you install kubuntu-desktop, do you get to choose between kde and gnome when you login to gdm?
<Brunellus> how do I get GDM to execute "startfluxbox" instead of plain-old "fluxbox"?
<Elysium_> well, I'm not sure if it uses ethernet through usb protocal
<apokryphos> petemc: yes
<petemc> lovely, cheers
<Elysium_> or some proprietary file transfer protocal
<aspire> in place of eth0 it is usb0
<aspire> i did modprobe usbnet to get the modules
<spacey> petemc, you don't have to install kubuntu for that i think
<Elysium_> that sounds ok
<aspire> ya
<aspire> it is ok
<spacey> just install ubuntu and kde
<aspire> and linux linux work
<apokryphos> spacey: that is kubuntu :)
<spacey> apokryphos, well you will still keep gnome
<spacey> so
<Elysium_> then I would say it's on the windows side
<spacey> its both i guess
<Elysium_> under the network properties in windows
<aspire> what could be the problem
<apokryphos> spacey: precisely.
<aspire> i have noticed that it does not automatically optain an ip
<aspire> but i can set it manualy and it connects
<Elysium_> aspire, it wouldn't since there is no dhcp .. ou would have to manually assign it a local ip
<aspire> it sends data but it does not recive
<Anubis> mplayer-386:
<Anubis>  Depends: libarts (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
<Anubis>  	libarts-alsa (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
<Anubis>  Depends: libdvdread2  but it is not installable
<Anubis>  Depends: libvorbis0 (>=1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
<aspire> ok it i set it manualy should it work
<Elysium_> yes
<Elysium_> what ip addresses are you assining?
<aspire> and about that it sends but not recive
<aspire> 192.168.0.1win
<hrgy> Anubis: the mplayer-586 is sent this messages too
<yasirf> hello
<yasirf> what is the su password for the system
<Elysium_> aspire, that looks good too .. same subnet for linux I assume? 192.168.0.x
<yasirf> i just installed the ubuntu 5.04 beta
<aspire> win tells me that it send but doesent recive
<tahorg> yasirf: I wish I knew
<tahorg> :)
<Anubis> yasirf, its random, you have to change it
<Elysium_> aspire, what are you sending??
<Elysium_> aspire, you mean you can send files?
<aspire> do you know xp
<yasirf> this is so dumb
<Elysium_> aspire, unfortunately yes
<aspire> lol
<yasirf> the install did not ask me for root password
<aspire> if you open a network connection then you can see activitie yes
<yasirf> and now i can not do anything
<Anubis> yasirf, right, its random YOU have ti chnage it
<yasirf> i was trying to do updatedb
<Elysium_> aspire, so you can see packets are send but nothing recieved?
<Anubis> yasirf, sudo updatedb
<aspire> well there i see send that keeps increasing and receiving that stays on zero
<Anubis> yasirf, use your user password
<aspire> Elysium_, yes
<aspire> that mekes me think that it is a linux issue
<yasirf> how to change the root password
<yasirf> since i do not know the random one
<Elysium_> aspire, usb ethernet is obviously setup correctly on the linux side since you cando linux to linux.. I would check your ip/network settings for the windows USB side again.. other than that I don't know anything else
<syn-ack> yasirf: there is no root pass in Ubuntu
<Anubis> syn-ack, of course there is
<Elysium_> aspire, that doesn't explain anything.. it could just be sending packets to nowhere/oblivion
<yasirf> yes there is
<syn-ack> yasirf: you have to use sudo passwd root
<Anubis> otherwise he could just use a blank passwd for root
<thierry> yasirf: to have root privilege use sudo
<HappyPills> Has anyone ran into "Error 12: Invalid Device Requested" when using Grub to boot windows xp? The forums came up pretty empty on that particular error =(
<Anubis> which would not be how it works
<aspire> Elysium_,  i see
<aspire> still win 2 win works as well
<syn-ack> Anubis: true, point takin.
<phxguy> syn-ack: I doub le checked my /etc/hotplug/blacklist file and rebooted and I still get the error... says modprobe: fatal: error inserting pciehp.......... device does no exist
<syn-ack> hrm
<aspire> thats why i am thinking that there is some thing i need to put them at the same level
<thierry> how do I install the xsl stylesheets for ubuntu?
<yasirf> i am trying to how to change the root password
<yasirf> ?
<syn-ack> phxguy: in that case, I would consult the wiki, because I have NFI
<Elysium_> aspire, I would suggest you look at google and linux windows usb peer to peer
<^thehatsrule^> passwd?
<phxguy> lol ok... well thanks anyways??/
<aspire> Elysium_, ya been all around google
<yasirf> no passwd is not it
<rwabel> anyone know why under gnome I can't see special characters (umlaute) but I can see them when I'm not under X?
<aspire> Elysium_, thanks
<geneo93> sudo passwd root
<yasirf> geneo93 thanks
<andreas_> Does anyone know how to set multiple wm to be chosen from at login?
<geneo93> yasirf:  np
<rwabel> andreas_: just install it and it should update gdm automatically
<andreas_> Say... XPDE for the girlfriend
<rwabel> at least it did for me
<mjr> rwabel, you're probably using the C/POSIX locale. Don't.
<rwabel> I've xfve, kde and gnome
<andrewski> uh, xfce?
<keffo> must be
<keffo> ;P
<rwabel> mjr: no, I've changed, but somehow I get also errors when type locale
<rwabel> andrewski: it's sweet
<andreas_> rwabel: and you haven` t found it neccesary to mess with text files to make the choose menu?
<andril> hello all
<andrewski> rwabel: yes, but xfve is decidedly not sweet. :P
<rwabel> andreas_: well I didn't have from them
<mjr> rwabel, you haven't probably generated the locales; try dpkg-reconfigure locales
<aspire> Elysium_,
<aspire> What if i dont have the protocol correct
<andril> has anyone been able to find the Industrial theme?
<andril> mine disappeared after upgrading to Hoary
<rwabel> mjr: it did: Generating locales...
<rwabel>   en_US.ISO-8859-1... done
<rwabel>   en_US.UTF-8... done
<rwabel>   de_CH.ISO-8859-1... done
<rwabel>   de_CH.UTF-8... done
<rwabel>   de_CH.UTF-8... done
<rwabel> Generation complete.
<rwabel> but I get error with locale
<rwabel> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
<rwabel> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
<rwabel> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
<andrewski> andril: mouse or gtk or what?
<rwabel> the rest is ok and also LC_ALL=
<mina_linux_Tux> i got a kernel panic while runing the LiveCD how can i use MemTest , i tried to select the Memtest | .. submenu i got a text mode with same choices prompting me to choose which OS to boot using the key 'b' , i'm runinng on x86 .. may anyone answer me ?
<rwabel> andreas: which window manager you want to install?
<andril> the whole theme GTK & Metacity and Icons
<rwabel> mjr: I can also choose in gdm en_US.UTF-8 or the swiss version
<mina_linux_Tux> may anyone help me with my problem ? please
<rwabel> sorry did never try out the live cd
<DyGyTyL> rwabel: might wanna try getting xfonts-base and the 100dpi 75dpi packages, i dont use gnome..but just a thought
<hazmat> i'm trying to install ubuntu on a machine without a bootable cdrm drive, its currently running an old redhat (7.2) and i have the ubuntu cd mounted... is  there anyway i can bootstrap the install process from here?
<andrewski> hazmat: smart boot manager
<mina_linux_Tux> rwabel: suppose  i got an error in my ram mdoules what to do install linux without chaging my ram modules ?
<mina_linux_Tux> i got a kernel panic while runing the LiveCD how can i use MemTest , i tried to select the Memtest | .. submenu i got a text mode with same choices prompting me to choose which OS to boot using the key 'b' , i'm runinng on x86 .. may anyone answer me ?
<andrewski> hazmat: i've never gotten it to work with my old lappy, but maybe it'll work for you. ;)
<someguy32> hazmat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/SmartBootManagerHowto/view?searchterm=smart%20boot%20manager
<andrewski> someguy32: :)
<hazmat> someguy32, thanks
<rwabel> DyGyTyL: well it's under all window manager. It happens when I start X (kde, gnome, xfce)
<DemonTears> my ubuntu stop when i want to reboot after displaying rebooting
<mina_linux_Tux> may anyone answer me ... ?
<rwabel> DyGyTyL: and I've installed all this fonts and stuff
<mina_linux_Tux> i got a kernel panic while runing the LiveCD how can i use MemTest , i tried to select the Memtest | .. submenu i got a text mode with same choices prompting me to choose which OS to boot using the key 'b' , i'm runinng on x86 .. may anyone answer me ?
<DemonTears> can someone help me
<andrewski> mina_linux_Tux: i believe someone said they haven't used the liveCD; neither have i.
<rwabel> mina_linux_tux: why don't you want to change your ram?
<mina_linux_Tux> rwabel: cause it's a laptop
<Brian_P> hi
<Levander> My syslog is full of "hdd: ATAPI reset complete" and "hdd: status error" messages.  hdd is my cd drive.  Any idea how to fix this?  Can't use the CD drive, when i push the eject button, the drive doesn't even open.
<rwabel> mina_linux_tux: well I don't know if you can install it when having defect rams
<someguy32> DemonTears: strangely, the same thing happens to me in mandrake 10.1 but only when shutting down
<spacey> rwabel, you have to umount it before ejecting
<saber> mina_tux: i think memtest fits on a bootdisk. check out their web page, that way you don't all of ubuntu
<Brian_P> Can anyone give me pointers how to get my nvidia card working in Kubuntu...I would be very appreciative for the help
<saber> load
<mina_linux_Tux> rwabel: how to use this memtest.. i saw the man for it and i read it , but can't get how to let it work from the live cd
<rwabel> spacey: umount what?
<spacey> the cdrom
<spacey> it won't eject if its mounted
<saber> brainp: do you have the nvidia driver installed? dpkg -l | grep nvidia
<DemonTears> someguy32, so what was the solution ?
<rwabel> mhh what cd? don't get that
<Brian_P> ok I will see...hold on
<spacey> rwabel, in your cdrom drive
<Levander> spacey: it's not mounted, but I think it's more of a problem than that
<spacey> ah
<spacey> wrong nick
<spacey> lol
<spacey> sorry
<rwabel> spacey: mhh sorry don't follow that discussion about cdrom
<spacey> s/rwabel/levander
<mina_linux_Tux> saber: i know that .. but what is this menu that has this .. option "Memtest | Memory diagnostic tool "
<Levander> spacey: u talking to me?
<spacey> sorry rwabel, my mistake, looked wrong
<rwabel> mina: well, don't know the memtest
<spacey> Levander, yeah
<rwabel> spacey: :-)
<Levander> spacey: cool
<Brian_P> ii  nvidia-glx     1.0.6629-0ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
<Brian_P> ii  nvidia-glx-dev 1.0.6629-0ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver devel
<Brian_P> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6629+1     NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
<spacey> Levander, so read back:)
<Levander> spacey: my syslog if full of reset and status errors on hdd, my cd drive
<Levander> spacey: the cd drive is not mounted
<mseney> second time doing a regular ubuntu haory install on a system and for some reason it's giving me /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found.
<Levander> spacey: it just doesn't work
<Brian_P> seems I do
<Levander> spacey: don't know where to start to try to fix
<spacey> Levander, yeah thats crap:)
<Levander> spacey: what's crap?
<spacey> that it doesn't work
<spacey> :D
<spacey> the errors are not a good sign
<Levander> spacey: my bad, thought u were trying to help, :P
<spacey> you sure the drive is not borken :)
<spacey> broken
<DemonTears> someguy32, are u there ?
<Brian_P> Saber: what next
<Levander> spacey: could be, but it worked fine till i installed ubuntu, didn't try it for first two weeks, then tried it after ubuntu install, doesn't work
<mina_linux_Tux> no one has an answer for my question how to use .. this Memtest embeded to this ubuntu LiveCD ? //
<Levander> spacey: just noticed syslog messages today, there are lots and lots of them
<spacey> Levander, i did get sortlike errors for a HD, and that was not a good sign :)
<stuNNed> hmmm anybody else's screen flickering with latest Hoary?
<Absenth> clear
<Levander> stuNNed: what's your refresh rate on your monitor?
<black_Nightmare> any of you know a bit about storebrand desktop pc's? (like say Hp Vetra for example)
<Absenth> heh.....  oops...
<mseney> stuNNed, not on my everyday use hoary system nope
<mseney> stuNNed, but I also didn't update today yet.
<stuNNed> Levander: 75hz
<Levander> black_Nightmare: just getta dell! competitive prices, better support
<stuNNed> mseney: k thnx
<Levander> stuNNed: try to raise it to at least 85 hz, that's minimum were human eye can't detect below
<stuNNed> Levander: 1600x1200@75hz
<spacey> my dell monitor has a problem with X :P
<mseney> stuNNed, ill run a apt-get update and upgrade and see brb
<spacey> in hoary
<Levander> stuNNed: for 16x12, definitely need 85hz refresh
<stuNNed> mseney: no need really but thanks
<Brian_P> Im still not sure what to do to get my nvidia drivers working in Kubuntu, do I need to edit xorg?
<Levander> spacey: call dell
<someguy32> DemonTears: i still have the problem, lol
<black_Nightmare> levander..I'm actually asking about used ones btw
<stuNNed> Levander: so i need to have a modeline maybe cuz only can support up to 75hz
<mina_linux_Tux> memtest memtest .. anyone knows anything about this diagnostic tool pckaged with the boot loader for ubuntu live cd ////
<mseney> stuNNed, yeah it only updated groff
<stuNNed> mseney: thanks mate
<mseney> stuNNed, np.
<Absenth> alright I admit it, I'm a convert.
<spacey> Levander, its not dell's fault
<DemonTears> someguy32, ok thx
<spacey> its something in the latest x.org
<Absenth> I don't think I'll be going back to any of the RPM based distros anytime soon.
<Levander> stuNNed: if monitor or video card only supports 75hz, should lower resolution, if it's X config problem, good luck! i hate those
<phxguy> syn-ack: you there???
<DemonTears> anayone know how to solve the reboot problem in ubuntu ?
<spacey> problem doesn't exist in warty:)
<stuNNed> Levander: hehehe! :)
<syn-ack> I am here.
<Alinux> RealPlayer on amd64 ? is it possible?
<^thehatsrule^> why not?
<Absenth> theres something incredibly cool about being able to type "sudo apt-get install aterm" and have it work.
<Levander> stuNNed: i thought u meant XP, but u said X with some emoticon after.  Yeah, X is outta dell's league
<Alinux> I can't find nothing for hoary
<phxguy> syn-ack: I just remembered something.... I had an internal pci winmodem whe i first installed ubuntu which i have since removed.. do think this could be my problem with modprobe???
<syn-ack> phxguy: I dont think so. not at all. Thats hardware, it wouldnt affect anything thats been removed
<mina_linux_Tux> i tried the following : pressing Escape at the prompt when the system is booting, and selecting the "memory test" option.
<phxguy> hmmm im on th ewiki page but can't seem to find anything
<mina_linux_Tux> and nothing happend
<mina_linux_Tux> pressing Escape at the prompt when the system is booting, and selecting the "memory test" option.
<Brian_P> Hi, I've asked about four times for help here, and hate to be a nuisance, but I really need some advice about getting my nvidia card working with 3d.  Is there anyone here who may know how to do this?  I have the driver installed, what next?
<Alinux> there are lot of programs that can't work on amd 64 :\
<syn-ack> phxguy: Hotplug would simply not see it and not load any accosiated with it.
<Alinux> I need RealPlayer :/
<syn-ack> Alinux: yes, there is
<phxguy> ah okay syn-ack
<zenrox> alindeman,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for realplayer set up
<ca_ca> http://real.com/linux
<Alinux> syn-ack, can you tell me link or something else
<phxguy> i didn't get this error when i first started with ubuntu
<Absenth> Brian_P, have you installed the driver via Synaptic?
<Alinux> yes i know but doesn't works!
<Brian_P> Absenth: yes nvidia-glx
<syn-ack> Alinux: I was agreeing with is is all
<Absenth> Brian_P, it was pretty cut and dry for me.  Choose the package, reboot, and bang.... accellerated 3d.
<Absenth> Brian_P, so what kinds of problems are you having?
<mina_linux_Tux> if you no one knows anything about what i'm asking about , at least guide or point me to where i can get help ... ?
<Brian_P> ok thanks, I havent rebooted yet, I will try
<mina_linux_Tux> anyone answer
<saber> brain_p: ensure the X server loads the nvidia driver. some good paths might be editing your XF86Config file.
<stuNNed> Levander: going to try a modeline see what happens :D
<zenrox> Alinux,  how is it not worken
<saber> I haven't done it in a while, but check out the howto it should tell you pretty quickly
<Alinux> so peaople? works or not?
<syn-ack> Alinux: A *lot* works with AMD64 and then again there is a lot which doesnt
<Alinux> ok ...so please I need RealPlayer.
<syn-ack> Alinux: Just grab the iso for AMD64 from the site and install it
<Alinux> something that can read rpm ulrs.
<ca_ca> i gif you the link already .Alinux
<syn-ack> Alinux: not gonna happen unless they have 64 bit port
<ca_ca> =give
<Alinux> syn-ack, tell me the link please?
<Alinux> http://real.com/linux
<mina_linux_Tux> heloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<syn-ack> Alinux: How in the hell would I know? I cant stand anything .rm
<ca_ca> yep
<mina_linux_Tux> anyonw answerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr me
<syn-ack> or .ra for that matter.
<DemonTears> i got that message on boot "PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:1f.3"
<Alinux> ok so I can install amd 64 version from this site ?http://real.com/linux
<DemonTears> anyone know what is ?
<Levander> stuNNed: first try the Computer -> Screen Resolution dialog to see if you can just change it through the GUI.  If not, u need a modeline
<andrewski> mina_linux_Tux: that's very annoying.  i assume someone would help if they could.
<Alinux> sorry for my english.
<ca_ca> click the link,Alinux
<syn-ack> Alinux: what you thought about looking to see if they have an AMD64 port?
<syn-ack> Alinux: Come on, its not rocket science.
<Alinux> I've alredy installed with ubuntu RealPlayer.bin
<stuNNed> Levander: yes, highest i can go is 75, with using gtf and generating a modeline i noticed it says *desired* frequency this means i can set it at 85 only if monitor can handle 75, if this makes sense
<Alinux> folowing the howto.
<Alinux> but it doesn't works.
<Levander> stuNNed: no, u make no sense, retry?
<syn-ack> Alinux: then you dont have an AMD 64 port.
<Levander> stuNNed: what mean can set it at 85 only if monitor can handle 75?  think can only set it at 85 if monitor can handle 85
<Alinux> so it means that I must wait :\
<Alinux> heh
<black_Nightmare> brb for supper
<Alinux> cause there is no ports for amd64...onlu .bin file and rpm :/
<stuNNed> Levander: tricky when it says *desired* what's the benefit of a modeline anyways?  better talk to the monitor?
<critter> Anyone know a easy way to kill a running prosess
<will> how do i get those lovely mouse pointers back which i had in warty?
<critter> I installed Limewire and it is stuck at the splash screen
<ca_ca> install gcursur
<Absenth> critter killall limewire
<confrey> how can I use web admin tool to configure cups?
<ca_ca> gcursor
<Absenth> critter or whatever it's called.
<critter> I dont want to kill the chat
<critter> hmm
<geneo93> critter:  pidof proc  then kill number
<critter> kill splash maybe
<LeeJunFan> anyone got vmware workstation 5 RC working on an amd64 system?
<critter> ill try it brb
<mseney> hrmm well now after doing $sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, killing the gdm process and restarting it it's working. :)
<Levander> stuNNed: the modeline tells the software what performance specs your hardware (video card and monitor can handle).  MS Windows has the same thing, but Windows ships with a huge database of these.  The hardware manufacturers ship these to Microsoft and they make sure they work.  Not as many use X-Windows, so the manufacturers don't bother.  You gotta gather yourself.
<geneo93> no you need pid
<KarlosII> anyone having issues with firefox loading?
<deville_75> hi i need some help with installing Java
<rapha_> HAAAH!
<rapha_> Hah!
<rapha_> Got it!
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<Alinux> syn-ack, so no RealPlayer :/
<KarlosII> ?
<deville_75> i get the plugin at Firefox and it gives me a .bin file
<syn-ack> Alinux: not if they dont have a port
<deville_75> what do i do witht that?
<Alinux> ok... only waiting ...
<rapha_> crimsun: Sound's working! You have to DISable the IEC958 Capture Monitor AND anything that says "Surround". Then it works!
<Alinux> syn-ack, thanks for your answers :D
<syn-ack> Alinux: no prob
<stuNNed> Levander: ok i need a bit of help can i pastebin something and you have a look at it?
<Brian_P> after updating my Kubuntu system and setting root password, my kynaptic no longer works...can anyone help me with this?
<Riddell> Brian_P: don't use your root password, use your user password
<Levander> stuNNed: i'm back, i'll look at it, but i don't know X config very well
<KarlosII> anyone having issues with firefox loading?
<Brian_P> Riddell, user password craps out too
<stuNNed> Levander: does this look right -> http://pastebin.com/261139
<Levander> KarlosII: u've tried running firefox from command line to see what the error is?
<KarlosII> levander no ouput of error
<rapha_> Btw what are you guys using to watch TV?
<geneo93> question  why does hoary use python 2.3 and 2.4
<Brian_P> did I make a mistake to set a root password?  Kynaptic is dead now
<KarlosII> Levander, if I do this "firefox --" it opens but won't for many other options, and I've tried complete removal and reinstall!!
<geneo93> try your own passwd
<Levander> stuNNed: no idea, i looked at my XF86Config-4.  My monitor "section" doesn't even have a modeline, sorry.
<stuNNed> Levander: no biggie thanks
<Brian_P> Geneo, I already said that I tried that, it doesn't work with either
<xelizer> hi all
<ca_ca> gene93, sudo kynaptic
<InitMass> if i want the computer to shut down after 1 h is this the command then 'sleep 3600 && halt' ?
<Levander> KarlosII: what happens if u just type firefox at the command line?  what gets printed out on the terminal
<geneo93> Brian_P:  sudo passwd root
<Levander> stuNNed: weren't modelines done away with at some point during the development of X-Windows?  Not sure if I remember that or not.
* syn-ack spins Pink Floyd - Time
<Levander> InitMass: there's a command line option to shutdown I think.  You've checked "man shutdown"?
<Brian_P> Gen: it works from terminal that way...thankx
<geneo93> Levander:  nothing
<InitMass> Levander, but at a special time
<InitMass> Levander, specific time
<xelizer> if anyone could help me it'd be great, here's my problem: i'm on ubuntu live and "Music Player" is crashing when it tries to connect to a radio station
<syn-ack> xelizer: because there is no mp3 support by defualt
<xelizer> oh
<Levander> InitMass: then i think your guess is the best
<geneo93> i'm gone
<xelizer> also, if I were to install Ubuntu on my computer, would all my hardware need linux-specific drivers?
<stuNNed> Levander: sounds famliliar
<xelizer> so I'd need to reinstall my speaker/sound card/gfx etc
<HappyPills> Has anyone here ever ran into an 'Error 12: Invalid Device Requested' when trying to boot to a windows xp partition (hda,4) on a logical partition? using Grub?
<Agrajag> xelizer: uh, as opposed to Windows drivers? of course
<Agrajag> xelizer: the linux kernel supports almost everything
<odie5533> Can I mount folders as drives for organization?
<Levander> fuck, i figured out geneo93's problem, but he left!!!
<Agrajag> all you should need to do is install nvidia's or ati's drivers
<xelizer> but it will not be "plug and play", correct
<Brian_P> Is the kmenuedit dead in Kubuntu??? Why ???
<Agrajag> which should take 2 minutes
<Agrajag> xelizer: of course it will
<apokryphos> Brian_P: no, it's not.
<Agrajag> xelizer: this isn't 1993
<xelizer> lol, I don't know :P im 100% linux noob
<Levander> how do u do a whois to see if someone's still on the irc server, just not on this channel?
<apokryphos> Brian_P: however, you might have to run it via Alt + F2
<Brian_P> thanks
<black_Nightmare> back
<stuNNed> Levander: i'm stuck at 1600x1200@75hz it's a crappy dell monitor so hopefully will replace soon with something a little more sturdy :)
<Agrajag> xelizer: the ubuntu install will take you 30 minutes and unless you have some REALLY wierd hardware everything will work
<xelizer> well the only thing setting me back from installing is that I will have to mess with partitions
<Agrajag> and for 3d acceleration, you just need to install the nvidia or ati drivers, it's easy to do
<Brian_P> apokryphos:  That worked
<xelizer> i have 2x 80gb SATAs @ Raid 0, will that be a problem?
<Agrajag> hardware raid?
<Levander> stuNNed: look up the specs on the monitor, it might be your video card.  I"m guessing (blindly, for what I remember) that the max refresh is because of the video card.  It's not an issue with monitors (I think)
<syn-ack> xelizer: no
<apokryphos> Brian_P: It's a known issue; they're working on it, if not done already.
<xelizer> ummm..not sure
<xelizer> k thx syn-ack, will I have to reinstall windows?
<Brian_P> I just downloaded and installed Kubuntu 20 minutes ago
<xelizer> or can I just do a manual partition, like it says in the FAQ (i think)
<apokryphos> Brian_P: I should note that #kubuntu exists :)
<Brian_P> ok...thanks will go there
<DsOft> hiya
<black_Nightmare> hey dsoft
<DsOft> i have one problem, at the installation, it dont ask me for root password, there is one by default?
<Levander> DsOft: u use your user's password to run sudo
<Levander> DsOft: root is turned off by default in ubuntu
<DsOft> lol
<Levander> DsOft: understand??
<DsOft> yep
<DsOft> and it dont like me xD
<JDahl> Isn't it possible to read news in Evolution?
<Levander> DsOft: there are pages on ubuntulinux.org about why they did that
<DsOft> i dont want to sudo all
<Levander> DsOft: well, the pages about that on the web site tell u how to enable the root user if u want, but i'd never done sudo before ubuntu either, it works a lot better than i thought, and it's a *lot* safer to do things that way.
<DsOft> ok, i will seek the pages
<artnay> Hmh, very annoying bug indeed. Does anybody else have problems with wnck-applet and gnome-panel?
<flame> join #phpmelb
<Levander> DsOft: google "sudo site:ubuntulinux.org" should find it pretty fast
<artnay> Can't find anything similiar from Gnome Bugzilla or Ubuntu forum.
<JDahl> Let me ask differently then, what client do Evolution users here use to read Usenet?
<ca_ca> groups.google.com
<DsOft> oki, it was easy
<DsOft> sudo passwd root
<black_Nightmare> any of you know where the ubuntu software/lib download page was again?
<black_Nightmare> I don't seem to be able to find it again now lol
<JDahl> oh.. I found it - you just have to create a regular email account, then you can choose Usenet
<artnay> wnck-applet seems to be the problem here. it locks gnome-panel right after halfway the "add panel" menu, that's strange.
<DsOft> sorry, its my first debian touch, im from gentoo, where can i set the mirrors for apt?
<SadHatter> In Ubuntu, how do you make right click on caption roll up windows while leaving double click maximizing?
<TongMaster> DsOft, in the backyard, facing towards the Sun for maximum effect.
<black_Nightmare> lol
<black_Nightmare> tong...not that.... download mirrors :)
<Levander> SadHatter: check Computer -> Keyboard Shortcuts dialog
<DsOft> lmao
<DsOft> where is apt config file?
<black_Nightmare> so anyone know about my question or not quite so?
<Levander> DsOft: check /etc/apt/sources.list
<SadHatter> Ok, I will once I boot back to Ubuntu.
<Levander> black_Nightmare: check ubuntulinux.org
<DsOft> thx
<critter> If anone has ever installed LimeWire and knows how to uninstall it plz let me know
<LeeJunFan> is there an rc.local equivilent?
<DsOft> black_Nightmare look at gnome config tool
<black_Nightmare> levander..I meant the softwares -- not the distro itself
<SadHatter> Also, after I get Nautilus to browse folders in the same window, how do I customize the toolbar? I saw that you can hide/show the location bar and stuff like that, but I don't see where I can add/remove buttons from the toolbar and how to relocate it.
<black_Nightmare> oh nevermind finally found it..jeeze...it was right under the wiki pages... hrm...
<Levander> SadHatter: right click on the icon on the toolbar you want to move
<Levander> SadHatter: have to "unlock" things to move them
<DsOft> there is an java sun jre instaler from apt-get or i should do it manually?
<critter> I installed LimeWIre from the ubutu http://ubuntuguide.org/.. But no info on how to remove it. Anyone know ?
<^thehatsrule^> by apt-get?
<SadHatter> Levander: Thanks.
<Levander> DsOft: pretty sure most do it manually.  Ubuntu is strict about thinks that aren't GPL'd.  Like no software for MP3's sometimes.  Check ubuntuguide.org for quick instructions
<^thehatsrule^> SadHatter! we are kin are we not?
<critter> No "apt-get"
<ca_ca> apt-get remove
<^thehatsrule^> then what?
<critter> tried that
<^thehatsrule^> maybe you should search all instances of limewire, then delete manually
<ca_ca> in synptic
<black_Nightmare> any of you know if there's umm.. something like to view multiply picture formats...able to resave them...zooms...and perhaps anything else (basic editor tools optional too)?
<critter> Tried that to Wont let me using file Browser
<black_Nightmare> and simple to use too maybe? :p
* black_Nightmare has been using http://www.irfanview.com/ but notes its only for windows alone
<ca_ca> gwenview,black_Nightmare
<akk> black_Nightmare: From the cmdline, imagemagick
<bob2> black_Nightmare: gthumb is pretty good
<akk> For non-cmdline stuff I use gimp.
<SadHatter> And another question: It's obvious that I'm new to Linux (no?), so I was just wondering, should I bother to fully customize and set up the new preview version, because I will be able to simply "upgrade" once the final 5.04 comes out in April, or will I have to reinstall and so I shouldn't bother to fully set it up just yet?
<apokryphos> SadHatter: just upgrade
* black_Nightmare like this http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/node/view/97 :)
<apokryphos> On such Debian-based systems, you *never* have to reinstall
<black_Nightmare> thanks ca_ca
<ca_ca> :) black_
<black_Nightmare> just trying piece together idea of what I'll have to apt-get when I finally get my pc together with ubuntu installed on it :p
<SadHatter> apokryphos: Wonderful! Thanks.
<black_Nightmare> oh..umm...whats [if there is one]  the default internet browser(s) in ubuntu?
<apokryphos> black_Nightmare: anything kde ;-)
<tahorg> black_Nightmare: might be epiphany
<black_Nightmare> whats epiphany??? lol
<ca_ca> sudo apt-get kde-core
<TommyKLG> hey guys, i really need your help. it's driving me nuts
<tahorg> black_Nightmare: a browser
<apokryphos> ca_ca: or even better sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<black_Nightmare> tah...oh ok..never even heard of that name...so go figure
<black_Nightmare> ty
<ca_ca> epiphany-browser
<TommyKLG> i've got a seg. fault with xmms. don't know how to handle it
<black_Nightmare> so I wouldn't have to download a browser unless I had different preference - right?
<ca_ca> yep
<tahorg> black_Nightmare: Application-> Internet -> Epiphany Web Browser
* akk wonders why the hoary preview always claims an I/O error loading some documentation file (just lost the message as I started to copy it)
<black_Nightmare> ok..various games...epiphany....gwenview....qemu....hm guess thats all I'll be needing
<black_Nightmare> only missing part: finding where I put my mointor for the pc now..heh
<SadHatter> And one last question (yes, only one more... I think): Uptill now I was just looking around Ubuntu through the LiveCD and I fell in love. Now that I'm going to intall it on my hard drive, how much space should I set aside for it? Should I just make a single FAT32 partition for it? Should I just leave however much space unformated and let the installer format it?
<mastergoon> is there any easy way to transform a debian unstable install into ubuntu hoary?
<tahorg> black_Nightmare: did you see what I've written ?
<DsOft> its not good to use fat32 to install linux
<black_Nightmare> tah...yeah I did
<DsOft> u should use ext3
<SadHatter> Will the installer partition unallocated space and format it to ext3?
<tahorg> SadHatter: if you tell him to do so
<SadHatter> Great.
<DsOft> if all hd is partitioned, u should use througth win partition magic to make some free space
<SadHatter> So how much space should I leave unallocated?
<black_Nightmare> umm full installion is 1.8gb I think?
<tahorg> SadHatter: to use everyday or just to give it a try ?
<black_Nightmare> probably at least 2gb on hd or more
<DsOft> u should add a bit for swap
<Absenth> does anyone have a howto for setting up nfs on Hoary?
<tahorg> Absenth: server or client ?
<black_Nightmare> dsoft..like I thought too
<SadHatter> Well hopefully for everyday use, but for now, to give it a try.
<akk> Hmm, the hoary installer set my user password wrong and wouldn't let me log in.
<Absenth> tahorg, server.
<akk> I had to ctl-alt-F2 and log in as root to fix it.
<tahorg> SadHatter: 5GB
<Dillweed> mastergoon: might be easier to just clean install
<tahorg> Absenth: get an howto for debian
<DsOft> akk, i think it didnt set up root password
<Absenth> tahorg, will do, thanks.
<tahorg> Absenth: it's the same
<DsOft> in user account u shoull do sudo passwd root
<akk> DsOft: My root password was right, but it wouldn't let me log in with that from the X screen.
<KriegGoD> hello, i've downloaded Ubuntu 4.10 and booted the cd. it gets to the point where it loads the modules, then it stops doing anything
<KriegGoD> can anyone help ?
<KriegGoD> the keyboard locked up as well
<SadHatter> Also, I have a partition for swapfiles in windows that's twice the size of my RAM. Will I be able to tell windows to delete its swap files when logged out of and make use of it for swap files in ubuntu? Where should I look in ubuntu to change the location of swap files?
<DsOft> maybe u cant use X-windows in root account
<mastergoon> Dillweed, ok, thanks
<DsOft> not too much distros had able that
<tahorg> Absenth: but for a quick and dirty install
<akk> DsOft: Yeah, but it's kind of a problem if it didn't set my user password correctly either.
<Absenth> tahorg I found one.
<Jesterace> SadHatter, you'll likely have to make a new swap partition i doubt ubuntu and win can share considering windows file types
<Absenth> tahorg: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSServerHOWTOUbuntu
<tahorg> Absenth: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server && echo "/path/to/share *(ro,sync)" >> /etc/exports && portmap restart
<DsOft> u cant set up a new passwd with sudo passwd root?
<akk> DsOft: It's hard to set up anything without first logging in.  I couldn't log in except from the ctl-alt-f2 console.
<DsOft> on console
<DsOft> u are at user account?
<tahorg> Absenth: you might need to restart nfs-kernel-server too
<DsOft> it ask u to log, log in as normal user
<akk> DsOft: It wouldn't let me log in as the user account.  It didn't set the password correctly during install.
<DsOft> i thought it was the root passed
<DsOft> root passw
<DsOft> if user passwd isnt set fine, u should reinstall
<Absenth> Absenth, how does one restart the nfs-kernel-server?
<black_Nightmare> brb for some time
<DsOft> not user and root accounts, big problem
<akk> DsOft: I just got through my second install, I'd really rather not reinstall a third time.
<tahorg> Absenth: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
<tahorg> Absenth: the same for portmap
<marcin_ant> hi
<Absenth> tahorg, many thanks again....
<marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to share printer between two ubuntu boxes?
<DsOft> its not ubuntu problem if u dont type fine the password (at installer config, or after, loging)
<tahorg> Absenth: you're welcome ;)
<akk> I typed it twice.  I'm pretty sure I typed it right (I used my own name, it's just a temp account)
<DsOft> not MAY BLOCK set up?
<Absenth> tahorg, getting LTSP set up on the other hoary machine.  nfs "was" one of the missing prereqs :)
<KriegGoD> can someone please help me? im trying to install Ubuntu 4.10 but after it detects and loads the modules for the cdrom, the install stop and everything locks up
<critter> Got Limewire uninstalled . Hell yea woo hoooo
<DsOft> well, there is no fix for that, only reinstall, i think
<PacoBCN> why 4.10?
<critter> Simple as hell to
<PacoBCN> go for 5.04, dude
<PacoBCN> critter, Limewire takes much more resources than gtk-gnutella
<KriegGoD> if it's not stable im not using it
<critter> I was just tying it
<DsOft> if there is a really new brand PC, maybe 4.10 dont have correct modules
<tahorg> Absenth: *ouch* you're going to have harder problems than setting up a nfs server
<critter>  Now got rid of it
<PacoBCN> KriegGoD, in some weeks your stable will be obsolete
<DsOft> or maybe cdrom is broken....
<tahorg> PXE boot for example :)
<PacoBCN> remember, release times for Ubuntu are different from other distros
<KriegGoD> yea once the new version comes out i will use it. but for now i just want to get this installed
<KriegGoD> "use 5.04" is not a valid answer to why 4.10 wont even install
<PacoBCN> KriegGoD, definitely there are many improvements on installation
<critter> All I did was Drop the uninstall file into the term. Hit enter and boom brought up gui uninstaller
<DsOft> where is rc.conf here?
<KriegGoD> well then back to Slackware i go
<ca_ca> KriegGod,try cdwr
<tahorg> ahah
<tahorg> I love 'slackers'
<PacoBCN> honestly I find much more stable hoary than warty now
<tahorg> so openminded
<DsOft> KriegGod we didnt said that, i just said that maybe if ur pc is too new....
<critter> Hell tried everthing else . Gave that a try and it worked what the hell
<tahorg> DsOft: he's already far away
<DsOft> ok, i see
<Absenth> tahorg, heh, I run 9 ltsp servers currently running on RH8.  just learning the specifics of Ubuntu to make the two play well together
<DsOft> well, slackware dont like me, i prefer gentoo
<DsOft> where is rc.conf here?
<tahorg> Absenth: using netboot ?
<Absenth> tahorg, etherboot yeah.
<critter> PacoBCN I guess gtk-gnutella is in synaptic??
<Yldthing> put on ubuntu last night.  seems pretty good so far; i like apt-get and synaptic more than yum
<PacoBCN> critter, yes
<tahorg> Absenth: ok then, I thought you were starting from scratch
<critter> Cool
<Absenth> tahorg, although a large portion of what needs to happen is done by our stupid win2k dhcp server :/
<PacoBCN> critter, I'm just telling you because I found that all java apps take a lot of resources
<tahorg> Absenth: it's easy to set it up on ubuntu
<someguy32> if i install kde-base/core with ubuntu, will it truly be the same as kubuntu? i'm a kde user, but i would like to give gnome a try.
<DsOft> anyone knows what is the Hz of an standar 19" CRT monitor?
<critter> Ill give it a try
<tahorg> Absenth: apt-get install dhcpd && vi /etc/dhcpd.conf
<Yldthing> heh ubuntu has been so easy so far
<DsOft> not exactly, read  kubuntu posts
<Absenth> tahorg, I can't run an ubuntu dhcpd, we'll break AD :(
<DsOft> apt-get install kubuntu-base or something like this
<tahorg> Absenth: AD ?
<Absenth> Active Directory.
* tahorg turns and vomit
<tahorg> ok
<tahorg> :)
* Fackamato <3 Ubuntu
<apokryphos> someguy32: see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
<Trixisity> What's a good Yahoo chat client to use?
<Yldthing> i use gaim for everything except irc
<Trixisity> but you can't enter yahoo chat rooms with gaim
<Yldthing> oh?
<Yldthing> wasn't aware of that
* Yldthing doesn't go into chat rooms anyway
<Fackamato> How do I make the computer suspend to ram or disk?
<Fackamato> I don't have those options in the "log out" menu
<hawke> Fackamato: look at /etc/default/acpi-support
<hawke> Fackamato: or google for "hoarypm"
<Fackamato> ah
<Fackamato> thanks
<someguy32> apokryphos: thanks for the link
<apokryphos> someguy32: should answer all those Qs. :)
<someguy32> btw, how does one pronounce 'ubuntu'... is it yoo-boon-too?
<DsOft> how can i reset xorg without reloging?
<Absenth> oh, boon, too, if you ask me.
<Absenth> or ooh boon too,
<HrdwrBoB> ooh boon too
<geneo93> ctrl alt backspace
<yasirf> hello
<DsOft> and then?
<DsOft> gdm?
<DsOft> or startx
<DsOft> ?
<yasirf> does ant one know a site like rpmfind.net for ubuntu?
<DsOft> apt-get search
<DsOft> xDD
<BigIslandVegan> i think it's ooh bun too
<BigIslandVegan> :-)
<yasirf> i wanted a gui for apt
<DyGyTyL> screw rpms.. convert them to .deb's with alien
<HrdwrBoB> DyGyTyL: not really a good idea
<DyGyTyL> no?
<DsOft> search at system admin tools Synaptic
<DsOft> por apt-get forntend
<DsOft> frontend
<DyGyTyL> aliens worked every time for me so far hehe
<Redwraith111> hey guys
<DsOft> i mean menu system//admin tools/synaptic
<Redwraith111> any idea why x wont load up again after i log off and leave the computer for an hour or so
<bluefoxicy> you know
<bluefoxicy> I hate to admit it
<bluefoxicy> but the WinXP new menu layout for the start menu is damn good.
<bluefoxicy> at least one GUI designer at MS has a brain and more than 40 braincells.
<DsOft> acpi fault on your motherboard, maybe Redwraith111
<Redwraith111> the monitor just stays black
<Redwraith111> but like a lit up black
<BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about bluetooth or mac on linux?
<Redwraith111> you know what i mean
<Redwraith111> how can i fix that
<Redwraith111> just go into bious
<DsOft> bluetooth or mac on linux?
<Fackamato> now we're gonna try hibernation
<Fackamato> wish me luck ;P
<DyGyTyL> use ththeres a window maker that looks like winxp
<BigIslandVegan> either one, i could use help with
<DsOft> it should get fixed updating system (or kernel)
<Fackamato> that didn't go so wel
<BigIslandVegan> primarily interested in bluetooth, since there is no options for my wireless card in the near future, i'd like to get online through the phone - bluetooth
<DsOft> bluefoxicy u should test enlightenment too feel the X power
<DyGyTyL> E is boggy:p
<Fackamato> /etc/acpi/prepare.sh: line 38: cardctl: command not found
<DsOft> bluetooth is supported by 2 years
<Fackamato> how do I get cardctl ;O'
<DsOft> 2 years ago, i mean
<DsOft> sorry my english is a bit bad
<Absenth> hey I have a quick question.....  is it possible to upgrade distros from CLI on anything non debian based...  Ie.  apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade.  but using rpm or yum?
<yasirf> is there a gui for apt?  i know in redhat apt you can choose what programs you want to install and stufflike that
<BigIslandVegan> yes, i just don't know how to make it work
<BigIslandVegan> i got the bluez stuff
<DsOft> u should search "bluetooth on debian" for more info at www.google.es or www.debian.org
* BigIslandVegan installed and I see "stopping bluetooth services" when i shut down
<Fackamato> it came with pcmcia, nm
<BigIslandVegan> yeah, i looked on google, but not google.es
<DsOft> sorry
<geneo93> yasirf:  yes synaptic
<DsOft> www.google.com
<BigIslandVegan> ok
<yasirf> oh ok
<yasirf> i click add remove programs
<DsOft> and nothing at www.debian.org?
<BigIslandVegan> i will look again
<yasirf> and it did not look like red hat apt
<yasirf> so that is why i am asking
<DsOft> that is not red hat yasirf
<yasirf> will use that other program next time
<DsOft> exe synaptic
<DsOft> right button on packet to see the options
<DsOft> (selecc, select for uninstall, etc....)
<yasirf> oh ok
<DsOft> and then click on apply
<DsOft> to start the job
<DsOft> u can do many operations at same time
<AcidWolf> i judt got hoary offline and im about to reinstall in place of warty just wanted to check something when burning iso's in Ubuntu all i need to do is find the haory iso and then right click and write to cd
<Pointwood> I just upgraded to hoary - where have they put synaptic?
<AcidWolf> its now being writtren as a bin image
<DsOft> system//admin
<AcidWolf> written*
<DsOft> or sudo synaptics at console
<geneo93> just type it in terminal
<DsOft> well, i have to go, thx for all. Cya, take care
<jdub> Pointwood: System > Administration > Synaptic...
<BigIslandVegan> have fun
<catela> ok... so what driver do i need to run kismet on my iBook
<catela> i thought it was already installed on it
<Pointwood> jdub: it's not there...
<geneo93> konsole is so much better
<ca_ca> Pointwood install it again
<AcidWolf> bbl
<Pointwood> doing that ATM
<Pointwood> wonder why it was removed
<Pointwood> how do I edit the applications menu?
<ca_ca> in Hoary its a bug
<Pointwood> k
<Pointwood> so I can't or rather have to do it manually?
<Alinux> ca_ca, ah..
<geneo93> ca_ca:  is that like poo poo
<ca_ca> is the name of a brazilian footballplayer
<jdub> Pointwood: type 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' at a terminal
<caffinated> Pointwood: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
<Burk> hi
<catela> can anyone help me config kismet please
<caffinated> Pointwood: assuming you want to keep it, that is a workaround
<Alinux> ca_ca, KAKA'
<catela> the documentation is not helpful
<Alinux> wow
<Alinux> I'm AcMilan fan :D
<Burk> excuse me guys, which one is more recent: preview or array7 ?
<ca_ca> i am a fan of barca
<Alinux> are you from spain?
<catela> CAN ANYONE HELP ME CONFIGURE KISMET
<catela> PLEASE
<Burk> gosh...I'm a Juventus supporter Alinux ;)
<zenwhen> lol
<ca_ca> ajax-city
<Alinux> no I'm from florence
<Burk> good head to head this year
<Pointwood> caffinated: thx
<caffinated> catela: damn, do you always surf the internet with your keyboard cruise control on?
<jdub> Pointwood: don't use that, it doesn't solve your problem
<catela> what?
<jdub> Pointwood: read my point above
<caffinated> catela: because, you know WE ALL LIKE TO READ THIS KIND OF TEXT
<ca_ca> sorry Pointwood...i thought i was in #Ubuntu
<catela> oh
<Pointwood> ahh
<catela> well no one was answering me
<caffinated> catela: so?
<Pointwood> somehow I missed that jdub
<jdub> catela: you asked your question, and didn't get an answer -> that would indicate that no one knows
<catela> and i was getting a little frustrated with reading unhelpful documents
<caffinated> catela: you have to remember, people here are not actually obligated to help you ;)  it's all volunteer
<catela> well i know someone knows
<Burk> so, anyone knows if Hoary Array CD 7 is more or less recent than Hoary preview?
<catela> cuz i am not the only one who has done this
<catela> i bet mostly everyone here has kismet
<catela> on Ubuntu
<geneo93> maybe not here
<caffinated> i have kismet on my zaurus, but not on ubuntu
<zenrox> catela,  i dont even know what kismet is
<Alinux> someone here runs ubuntu on pcc or amd 64?
<geneo93> Burk:  just get the preview and update
<catela> ok... well whatever... then how do i install patches?
<Alinux> someone here runs ubuntu on pcc or amd 64?
<Alinux> oops
<jdub> Burk: array 7 is more recent, get it
<catela> ppc*
<Burk> ok, thank you very much jdub ;)
<Alinux> catela, mac mini ??? :O
<catela> i have a patch file and i am not sure how to install it
<critter> PacoBCN gtk-gnutella .Thanks great app.
<catela> Alinux: that would be ppc
<Alinux> yes sorry ppc I mean :D
<catela> so does anyone know how to install patches?
<critter> Hell he Left
<catela> Alinux: i have it on other macs but not the macmini
<catela> but it should work
<catela> except for the airport extreme
<catela> (i dnt know if hoary supports it)
<jdub> catela: applying patches requires rebuilding stuff from source. generally not worth it unless you're working on the software.
<Alinux> and how about your impression = ubuntu + mac machine combination?
<Alinux> good bad?
<catela> jdub: well seemingly kismet to work with the airport card, requires the orinocco driver
<jdub> Alinux: it's pretty much the best distro you can get for powerpc.
<catela> and they are all patches
<pantz> does anyone have any experience with mounting a samba share with /etc/fstab?
<Yldthing> i was surprised when hoary detected my wireless card
<catela> and i thought that the orinocco driver was already installed on ubuntu
<Alinux> jdub, mac mini became my dream in this period :D
<Yldthing> with fedora i had to go to ipw2200.sourceforge
<catela> orinoco*
<Alinux> Yldthing, me too..
<Alinux> but I have no ppc.. but x86 notebook.
<Redwraith111> hey guys again i asked higher up about my computer not waking up after i left it.. someone said acpi
<Redwraith111> what is that
<Yldthing> yeah, when it got detected in setup, i was like WTF?
<Redwraith111> and/or can i change a bios setting to not sleep it or w/e it wont wakeup from
<Redwraith111> like an acpi fault
<pantz> acpi is the new way to manage power on pcs
<catela> FUCK
<Redwraith111> can i turn it off
<catela> this is so damn stupid
<Yldthing> i pretty much got ubuntu to the way or better than i had fedora in 4 hours...fedora it was like a 3 month process
<black_Nightmare> back
<catela> i need to get kismet to work, and i know someone here knows how
<pantz> it is still 'experimental' in terms of working or not on lots of machines
<Redwraith111> so ca n i turn it off in linux? or do i have to on bios or what
* catela bangs his head on table
<black_Nightmare> catela - don't break the table or crush the legs :p
<black_Nightmare> just some humor hehe
* regeya_ is just sitting in slackjawed amazement...kwallet seems to be b0rked
<pantz> you can add acpi=off to your grub line i think will do the job
<Redwraith111> ...
<Redwraith111> how lol
<Redwraith111> and will hta diddle anything else up?
<Yldthing> what is that compositing that's on the howto in the forums?
<jdub> catela: dude, it's pretty obvious that no one (who is awake) does. perhaps you should post to the mailing list or forums.
<pantz> you will have to try
<jdub> catela: it is *not* appropriate to be abusive about it.
<Redwraith111> now what line do u ad
<pantz> tell me when you get lost - here we go
<Redwraith111> alrighty
<pantz> you boot and arrive at the grub screen - ok?
<HrdwrBoB> catela: I got it working
<Redwraith111> mmhmm'
<Redwraith111> there is no grubconf or somethign
<HrdwrBoB> catela: I compiled the latest orinoco CVS driver
<pantz> you select the line with the kernel you want to boot - ok?
<Redwraith111> yeah yeah
<pantz> you press 'e' to edit that line
<Redwraith111> kk
<catela> HrdwrBoB how do i compile it?
<pantz> then go to the line that has the other options - usually the second line ...
<Redwraith111> k
<Redwraith111> and type acpi=off
<pantz> go to the end of that line and add - thats it
<pantz> then press enter
<HrdwrBoB> catela: you'll have to go to the orinoco development page
<Redwraith111> alright
<Redwraith111> here weeeeeee go
<HrdwrBoB> use CVS to download the drivers
<HrdwrBoB> get build-essential using apt-get
<pantz> then press 'b' to boot that kernel you just added to
<HrdwrBoB> as well as the kernel headers
<Redwraith111> mmhmm
<HrdwrBoB> then you'll have to build it, it should install
<pantz> thats it - if it works - come back and we will make it permanent
<HrdwrBoB> then you can insert the new module
<pantz> what i just told you is a one-off trial
<catela> HrdwrBoB: the only issue i seemingly have is trying to find the driver that kismet uses when on a PPC platform (iBook) i am using an airport card
<catela> and seemingly the one used right now to browse the web is the orinoco driver
<pantz> if it works then you make it permanent by editing the same line in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
<catela> but i am not sure how to point kismet to use that driver
<HrdwrBoB> you need to edit the kismet.conf file
<HrdwrBoB> and add in the appropriate line
<HrdwrBoB> there is comments in the file
<catela> HrdwrBoB: yea i figured that out
<catela> oh yea i know
<Zugot> I just installed amd64 ubuntu on my laptop
<catela> but what am i editing into it
<Zugot> it works pretty damn well
<HrdwrBoB> there will be a line configuring your network card
<HrdwrBoB> there are comments in the file
<Zugot> warty amd64 didn't work... i love this
<Redwraith111> thanks alot there pantz
<Zugot> no more windows (unless under vmware)
<Redwraith111> so we shall see if it happens again
<HrdwrBoB> Zugot: :)
<Redwraith111> what is cvs.
<Redwraith111> actually im gonna google that
<Zugot> i'm gonna convert my work laptop to ubuntu as well
<pantz> Redwraith111, good move
<Zugot> and run windows in a vmware session
* hap0 just installed kubuntu and laptop now turns off arbitrarily.
<catela> the line currently reads (after me commenting it out and editing it) "source=orinoco,eth1,orinocosource
<catela> "
<Redwraith111> don't understand what it does but.. lol ill install the cedega source with it SOMEHOW im sure
<Redwraith111> why do people talk like that /shakes head
<Zugot> i gotta install ndiswrapper now
<HappyPills> How would I tell if the swap partition I set up is being used?
<hap0> Are there any reports of kubuntu turning laptops off capriciously?
<bluefoxicy> http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171164  How long do I have to live :)
<geneo93> acpi may do that
<yasirf> IN SYNptic how to i select all
<hap0> geneo93: any idea of what I can do about it?
<yasirf> so i do not have to select one at a time\
<catela> but i get the following "FATAL: Could not find 'monitor' private ioctl or use the newer style 'mode monitor' command. This typically means that the drivers have not been patched or the correct drivers are being loaded. See the troubleshooting section of the README for more information."
<catela> and i have the patch
<catela> but i dnt know how to install it
<Redwraith111> how do i use cvs to download cedega?
<Redwraith111> do i download everything in the dir?
<HappyPills> I don't think you want to select all... Pretty sure some of the packages have conflicts with other packages
<Redwraith111> or just save the winex thing
<Zugot> how does amd 64 3200+ compare with pentium M 2.0?
<geneo93> turn off acpi
<syn-ack> Zugot: They are apples and oranges
<hap0> geneo93: Which end should I turn it off at? The BIOS or the OS?
<pantz> Redwraith111, yep
<pantz> to everything
<Zugot> syn-ack, my play laptop is a amd... the laptop i'm buying for work is a pentium m
<pantz> well you want the winex module i guess
<geneo93> the os
<syn-ack> Zugot: and the 64 with a 64 bit OS sould blow the pants off the m
<Redwraith111> and also.. if i download that.. will it delete the source or do i still ned it after i compile
<Zugot> syn-ack, i'm running 64 bit linux now
<Zugot> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-4-amd64-generic #1 Thu Mar 10 02:52:25 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
<syn-ack> Zugot: However, this is still apples and oranges since they are the same arch
<Zugot> ah
<Zugot> ok
<hap0> geneo93: Thanks I'll do some searches in the archives and forums for turning of acpi. I'm glad you suggested the OS, because I've ran a variety of other distro's and this is the first one to have had a problem.
<syn-ack> arnt, that
<syn-ack> is
<yasirf> IN SYNptic how to i select all
<yasirf> so i do not have to select one at a time\
<syn-ack> Man, Im off right now...
<syn-ack> yasirf: Dont know, I dont use synaptic.
<geneo93> hapo well someone else has had the problem seems that was the cure
<catela> linux is so damn frustrating
<catela> i cnt get fucking kismet to run
<syn-ack> so?
<syn-ack> You wanna wardrive, dont you?
<catela> it's not for wardriving
<catela> it's to run ethereal and get packet information
* hap0 counsels catela to take a deep cleansing breath... and exhale...
<pantz> Redwraith111, you are infact downloading the source through cvs - and then you will need to compile it b4 you will have anything useful
<syn-ack> catela: then run ethereal
<pantz> compiling will not delete the source
<catela> syn-ack. i would except that it is requiring me to use kismet for some reason
<catela> some undefined reason
<catela> that is
<yasirf> what is better version number 0b2-14 or 0.9-3
<_j_> Howdy ho
<yasirf> what is better version number 0b2-14 or 0.9-3?
<zenrox> yasirf,  0.9.3
<Redwraith111> i realize that pantz
<Redwraith111> but can i get rid of the source after
<Zugot> amd64 linux feels way faster
<zenrox> Redwraith111,  if you want
<Zugot> maybe its just placebo...
<Redwraith111> alright
<Redwraith111> i just had to install gcc and bison and flex as well lol
<Redwraith111> someone needs to make a winex package for deb
<sharp> so how do i login to root after a fresh install?
<Zugot> Redwraith111, cedega ain't free
<pantz> well after you run 'make install' it will get installed into either /usr/local/bin or wherever you specified and if you 'really' want to you can then delete the source you exported with cvs
<geneo93> sharp:  you dont
<caffinated> Redwraith111: the sad thing too, is after all the hassle of trying to get it compiled, assuming you succeed, it will probably dissapoint you.
<Redwraith111> i realise that but winex source is and if you arent doing it commercially
<akk> Is it common, or disrecommended, to add regular debian source to sources.list?
<sharp> geneo93, what if i need to
<Redwraith111> what do you mean?
<Redwraith111> what will i do for games lol am i wasting my time?
<caffinated> Redwraith111: i mean it's highly overrated
<akk> Like if I wanted to get a lightweight window manager like icewm or fvwm
<Glin|Jol> how would i go about creating a symlink to /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 in my /mnt dir
<Glin|Jol> whenever i try i get a weird error
<Redwraith111> i dont play ALOT of games but it would be nice to just have the knowledge that it works lol
<geneo93> for what use sudo
<hap0> geneo93: Thanks for the tip off about acpi. I just found this as an FAQ by searching the forums for 'acpi'.
<someguy32> why is ubuntu so popular?
<caffinated> Redwraith111: well, it's very hit and miss
<Redwraith111> because ubuntu WORKS for a linux distro
<geneo93> sharp:  is disabled by default
<Redwraith111> what do you mean caffinated?
<zenrox> someguy32,  ease of use, and the coumantity
<Redwraith111> some may some may not?
<sharp> geneo93, ok, so can i enable it, i need root access
<Redwraith111> quake.. i didnt need winex for that anyway did i
<caffinated> Redwraith111: i mean you're going to have experiences that range from works with issues, to works with major issues, to doesn't work at all.
<CoNnEcTeD> omfg
<Redwraith111> LOL
<Redwraith111> ouch
<geneo93> hapo np
<Redwraith111> some ppl got WOW to work
<Redwraith111> I dont play it
<CoNnEcTeD> i apparently made an extra 7gs
<CoNnEcTeD> this yr
<Redwraith111> I just want medal of honor to work
<CoNnEcTeD> cuz of my mom's bonus from her business
<caffinated> Redwraith111: by all means try it anyway, just don't get your hopes up too high ;)
<Redwraith111> how can i delete it after?
<CoNnEcTeD> so now i have to file a w2 wit them
<CoNnEcTeD> grr
<Redwraith111> is there an unmake or just delete the dir?
<CoNnEcTeD> there goes my income tax refund
<CoNnEcTeD> = /
<geneo93> sharp not recomended but do sudo passwd root
<lakin> caffinated, I would also include a "works with no problems" in that category.
* hap0 goes home to play with his fresh install of Ubuntu to see what's new in KDE 3.4.
<caffinated> lakin: i've never seen anything work under winex flawlessly.
<Redwraith111> geneo93 why is it not recommended?
<lakin> caffinated, Redwraith111, I had Warcraft3 working flawlessly with it for the longest time.
<caffinated> there is always something
<Redwraith111> it was the first thing i did
<lakin> caffinated, of course, I never used battle.net
<lakin> caffinated, so I guess you're right.
<zenrox> sharp,  another was is sudo -s enter user password and you have root
<Redwraith111> caffinated, i shall se
<Redwraith111> see
<geneo93> you can kill your system real fast
<Redwraith111> the mohaa game can use a noCD
<Redwraith111> ah ok
<Redwraith111> yeah.. i know better.. if im not sure i ask lmao
<Yldthing> i remember i tried running mIRC under wine for fun...ran pretty slow and buggy
<Redwraith111> will winex run any windows.. (like not just games)
<caffinated> Yldthing: i tried the same thing with ultraedit.  it was nasty ;)
<Redwraith111> AND can i install vmware on a linux box or is it windows software
<caffinated> Redwraith111: sure, assuming you own it.
<Yldthing> i thought vmware was windows
<zenrox> Redwraith111,  yes but vmware ant free to d/l either
<Redwraith111> yeah.. i dont but i was thinking about a purchase soon
<caffinated> Redwraith111: you might look at qemu as a viable free alternative
<Redwraith111> how fast is vmware
<Redwraith111> and/or qemu
<caffinated> Redwraith111: keep in mind that neither vmware or qemu are going to let you play games.
<zenrox> vmware kills the host os when the guest os is running
<Redwraith111> i know
<Redwraith111> ok
<Redwraith111> hm
<Yldthing> vmware doesn't do some distros too well
<Yldthing> i couldn't get fc3 or mandrake working ont vmware
<Redwraith111> yeah.. now i was reading somewhere that someone took a mac installed virtual pc on it then windows then pearpc then macos
<zenrox> lol
<caffinated> Redwraith111: qemu is supposed to be fairly close to native speeds under linux now.  i think you need their accelleration package (which i'm pretty sure is not free) to achieve those speeds though
<Yldthing> what a waste of hd space
<Redwraith111> lol.. how can i remotely connect to my computer.. say from school? to dl a file off of it or something of the like...
<Redwraith111> yeah ill just not fiddle with that lol
<geneo93> how silly
<sharp> geneo93, i think i just figured out how ubuntu is supposed to handle root
<Yldthing> setup sshd and use winscp :D
<caffinated> heh
<Redwraith111> winscp?
<caffinated> or vnc
<Yldthing> winscp
<zenrox> Redwraith111,  dont turn off the pc ever
<Redwraith111> i cant jsut telnet to it
<packetgod> Say anyone here using ubuntu on IBM Thinkpads?  Good/bad/ugly?
<Redwraith111> lol y so you can hack it?
<sharp> geneo93, but thanks for your help
<Redwraith111> :P
<zenrox> lol
<black_Nightmare> packet..since they're quite common it would have to be 'good' I would think?
<Yldthing> http://winscp.net/eng/download.php
<black_Nightmare> who really knows thou? hehe (for me)
<Redwraith111> honestly though? just winscp?.. can i acess it from anywindows comp?
<Yldthing> yeah
<Redwraith111> like from telnet or something or a web interface?
<zenrox> Redwraith111, ssh
<packetgod> Is Ubuntu laptop support is pretty good in general?
<Burk> guys, an off-topic question: I'd like to buy a notebook. I only know it must have Mobile AMD 64. Which firm should I choose? Toshiba, Asus, Acer or others?
<zenrox> ??
<Yldthing> u need winscp on the windows comps though
<geneo93> sharp i use it now but dont use any apps in it
<Jesterace> heh my ubuntu setup http://jesterace.com/~jester/screenie.jpg
<Redwraith111> that doesnt help
<Redwraith111> lol
<Redwraith111> i cant install anything atschool
<Yldthing> <shrug>
<Redwraith111> but it will be easier than sending to gmail
<Yldthing> setup ftp server then
<sharp> geneo93, yeah, i know a bit about linux, so ubuntu had me confused for a sec. but so far its been really great
<Redwraith111> my comp teacher told me you could telnet and have a bash prompt
<packetgod> telnet=bad ssh=good
<zenrox> ssh is kinda like telnet but better security
<geneo93> sharp:  i a long time user but ubuntu is really good
<b_> Burk, I'm very happy with ubuntu on my new hp AMD64 so far (had it a week)
<Redwraith111> how do i set it up
<Yldthing> i just put ubuntu on my dell 700m last night
<Redwraith111> and do i need that on my windows comp
<Yldthing> pretty much everythings working
<Yldthing> yeah ssh doesn't come on windows
<geneo93> sharp:  as young as it is really good
<packetgod> putty is a non-installing windows ssh client
<zenrox> packetgod,  thats a good one
<Yldthing> putty is good
<packetgod> Personally I prefer teratermpro3.1 if I have to use windows but it requires an install
<geneo93> no much comes with windows in fact
<Yldthing> it lacks file transfer like the one at www.ssh.com though
<Redwraith111> yeah i can download
<Redwraith111> and run a filej
<jbass1234> hello
<Redwraith111> just not install one
<b_> I'm having annoying "sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting" pop-ups in kubuntu, but that's my only major problem with my laptop
<Redwraith111> is there an ssh package?
<packetgod> Then putty is perfect for you, pscp (putty scp) is also a download and use for file transfer
<Redwraith111> or am i paying again
<geneo93> viruses and trojens
<Yldthing> ohhh i didn't know about pscp
<akk> Why does everything I try to run from the System->Administration menu fail with: Failued to run $progname: Child terminated with 1 status ?
<Redwraith111> virsus and trojens?
<jbass1234> I have a problem as follows, I just installed hoary and I cannot install xmms
<geneo93> Redwraith111:  open ssh
<Yldthing> what's the msg jbass1234 ?
<akk> All the programs run fine if I su to root and run from the cmdline, but nothing runs from the menu.
<Redwraith111> ok
<Redwraith111> lol
<Redwraith111> and i can connect to ssh with puty
<Redwraith111> putty?
<caffinated> jbass1234: can you be a bit more specific?
<packetgod> Yup, putty is an SSH client
<Yldthing> Redwraith111, yes
<geneo93> should
<jbass1234> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<jbass1234> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<jbass1234> is only available from another source
<zenrox> jbass1234,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for enabling extra repostories and the the xmms section too
<Redwraith111> ok
<jbass1234> I did
<Redwraith111> what is the package for open ssh
<Redwraith111> ?
<jbass1234> I'm also having a problem with the universe packages
<zenrox> Redwraith111, openssh
<Redwraith111> k
<jbass1234> apt does not seem to like it
<akk> Maybe because when I run from the cmdline, they all complain: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
<geneo93> openssh
<Redwraith111> isnt one
<Redwraith111> for hoary
* akk wonders if it's worth filing bugs on this stuff for the hoary preview, lots of things don't work
<Burk> b_: tnx, I'll have a look at HP catalogue
<Redwraith111> hmm
<geneo93> Redwraith111:  do you have all the repositories checked
<Redwraith111> how do i do that
<Redwraith111> im new remember
<Yldthing> sudo synaptic
<zenrox> Redwraith111,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for d/l and set up off ssh
<Redwraith111> ok
<Redwraith111> thanks
<Yldthing> sudo synaptic is probably easier if you're new than apt-get
<Redwraith111> you guys are nicer than the debian guys lol
<geneo93> na
<Yldthing> <shrug> i'm new to ubuntu too
<b_> Burk, if you google hp pavilion zv5405us and ubuntu, I know there are some pages out there talking about installing on my machine.  might help
<zenrox> Redwraith111,  thats why ubunt uis so killer
<caffinated> Redwraith111: different idiological beliefs
<Redwraith111> i asked whats his name greycat a question and i got muted lol
<zenrox> Redwraith111,  better coumanty
<geneo93> Redwraith111:  you what some abuse goto azureus channel
<jbass1234> anyone have any ideas about not being able to apt xmms onto hoary?
<Redwraith111> wow man!
<caffinated> Redwraith111: debian and it's followers believe that you should always exhaust all reading options before coming to them.  this isn't always time effective.  and it's frustrating.
<Burk> tnx again ;) I'll look for it at once
<Yldthing> i used apt-get to get xmms on hoary
<Redwraith111> that guide is amazing
<jbass1234> mine won't
<jbass1234> it says obsolete ...
<caffinated> Redwraith111: however, if you do try to read lots, you will learn more.
<zenrox> Redwraith111,  yep
<jbass1234> not available
<geneo93> apt-get install xmms
<jbass1234> rather
<jbass1234> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<jbass1234> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<jbass1234> is only available from another source
<Yldthing> i couldn't get mplayer until i added a multiverse repository
<b_> has anyone been able to get RealPlayer, or Helix, working on hoary amd64?  following www.ubuntuguide.org results in failure with this configuration
<Yldthing> <shrug>
<Redwraith111> the package is just ssh
<Redwraith111> i do try to read lots
<Redwraith111> i found my self a new book lol
<Redwraith111> that site!
<jbass1234> what repository should I add?
<geneo93> ok then you dont have all the repositories enabled
<jbass1234> I have some
<caffinated> Redwraith111: well, reading books, but also using google, reading the FAQs, manpages, etc ;)
<Redwraith111> xmms worked for me
<lakin> so my desktop machine has some available options in the logout menu for Hibernating the computer, but my laptop doesn't, it doesn't even have a suspend option.
<Redwraith111> thats what i ment.. ubuntuguide
<zenrox> b_ thay dont have 64bit clents yet thats why
<Redwraith111> lol
<caffinated> it won't all make sense right away, but that's ok.  that's why people are here.
<Redwraith111> for now*
<Redwraith111> anyway... the package was ssh
<GarySaved> Does anyone know if editing the application menus is going to be included before hoary is released?
<Yldthing> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
<jbass1234> oh
<adamh> How can I get ant on Ubuntu?
<jbass1234> the first few repositories in hoary give apt problems
<lakin> adamh, download a live-cd and use it, or download and install from an install cd.
<b_> zenrox -- ah, ah hah... not even Helix?  hmmm.  dammit.
<lakin> errrr.
<zenrox> b_ nope
<caffinated> GarySaved: yes, it's an unclosed bug for now
<lakin> adam, I misread your question.
<adamh> lakin: Figured, np :)
<caffinated> GarySaved: sec, i'll dig you up the workaround
<Redwraith111> is putty a GUI based or cmd based?
<geneo93> GarySaved:  i'm sure it will be fixed
<Yldthing> Redwraith111, gui
<lakin> adamh, I missed the 'ant' word. I just read: How can I get on ubuntu.
<adamh> :)
<Yldthing> Redwraith111, but ssh is cmd
<adamh> I've got multiverse and universe in my sources.list, and no ant...
<GarySaved> I saw the script, thanks.  I do not like work-arounds.  It should be fixed.
<Redwraith111> yeah i realize that but as soon as ssh is on its on right
<adamh> There's libant1.6-java...
<Redwraith111> everything is shared?
<zenrox> GarySaved,  thare is a few menu editors out in the www.ubunutforums.org
<Redwraith111> how can i shut it off?
<zenrox> check it out
<Redwraith111> or you ppl cant hack it anyway?
<shank_> is kernel 2.6.11-1 know to have issues?
<jbass1234> I'm running hoary and for some reason apt throws up on the hoary main restricted
<adamh> But then I see stuff like http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/a/ant/ -- why is that there? I'm confused...
<caffinated> GarySaved: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
* adamh grabs the source and tries to build a package...
<GarySaved> O.K>  I'll check it out.  THanks.
<geneo93> update apt-get update
<zenrox> geneo93, you mean sudo apt-get update
<caffinated> GarySaved: well, i'm sure it will be fixed, but until then, this is a usable option ;)
<geneo93> zenrox:  not for me
<zenrox> lol
<b_> zenrox, this shows I'm just too ignorant to be permitted to use a newish cpu architecture; didn't think compatibility issues like this would be a problem
<jbass1234> are the universe repositories the ones that say universe?
<geneo93> su ing here
<caffinated> jbass1234: yes
<adamh> jbass1234: Yes :)
<jbass1234> ok
<jbass1234> so why in hoary does it say xmms is unaviable
<jbass1234> ?
<caffinated> jbass1234: did you update your repository databases?
<zenrox> b_ its ok i havent even tried amd64 just rember windows ant even releace there 64 bit os yet
<caffinated> jbass1234: sudo apt-get update
<jbass1234> many times
<caffinated> should be there then
<geneo93> jbass1234:  did you update
<jbass1234> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<jbass1234> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<jbass1234> is only available from another source
<jbass1234> yes
<jbass1234> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
<Zugot> got wireless working on my laptop
<Zugot> i'm impressed
<b_> zenrox, I just wish there were a "64bit hoary version" of that "unoffical ubuntu guide" -- so far googling hasn't been that helpful
<geneo93> its comented out in apt sources list i bet
<goxy> i have problem with intel 536ep modem anyone can help me
<Zugot> windows made my laptop seem way too slow
<jbass1234> what is?
<zenrox> b_, ya i can understand that
<b_> I see people with similar issues to mine, but nobody has definitive answers yet
<critter> Is it possible to restor files from the trash bin?
<critter> restore
<geneo93> the repositories you need
<Yldthing> OMG middle mouse click closes tabs in firefox
<Yldthing> awesome
<geneo93> critter:  yes
<sabmoc> wow that is cool
<jbass1234> which ones?
<sabmoc> Yldthing, do you have to middle click on the tab? or just anywhere in the window
<Yldthing> tab
<critter> geneo93 how I don't see a menu for it
<sabmoc> hmm.. ok, still pretty cool
* Jesterace is away: wwe raw
<sabmoc> fear the badger!!
<caffinated> jbass1234: hm, not sure why it's doing that, BUT you could grab the deb manually
<jbass1234> grab the deb?
<caffinated> sure.  try: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<geneo93> right click the file ??
<jbass1234> I think there is something wrong with the sources.list file
<critter> I put something in trash but when I clean trash it wont let me clean whats in there . Says I dont have permission
<caffinated> jbass1234: 'deb' meaning the debian package (which will work with ubuntu)
* b_ scares himself silly by running wallpaper slideshow featuring "cpu overload" error message screenshots
<xxxzzz> does any body know how can i make my network card work under ubuntu? i plug the hardware but i cannot make ubuntu see it
<bwlang> critter: i recommend that you do a command like this...  sudo chown <yourusername> ~/.Trash/*
<geneo93> critter:  you did it as root or sudoer
<xxxzzz> i am so new on linux.
<caffinated> xxxzzz: what kind of card is it?
<critter> Will try now
<caffinated> xxxzzz: did you check the compatibility list?
<bwlang> xxxzzz: what kind of card is this ? pci, isa, or pc card?
<DarthFrog> bwlang: You need the -R switch on that chown command.
<b_> I'll be happy when I can start telling people "get badger!" instead of "get hoary".  "Hoary" is oft misconstrued in speech
<bwlang> DarthFrog: ahhh.. you're thining it might be in subdirectories... you might be right.
<bwlang> critter: if my command does not work... listen to DarthFrog - i assumed that your file was not in a subdirectory
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  is was going to mention that but you beat me to it
<jbass1234> got it
<jbass1234> fixed the sources.list
<DarthFrog> geneo93: I was quicker on the keyboard. :-)
<critter> Ok It was in my home dir
<xxxzzz> i dont know what kind exactly, it is my network card i was using with my windows machine before. there is one place to put the lan cable in
<geneo93> well i'm old and slow how do you think i've lived this long
<xxxzzz> the cable is in, the light is green also
<caffinated> xxxzzz: well, knowing what kind of card it is is the first step
<caffinated> xxxzzz: you may need to pull it out and look at it
<bwlang> DarthFrog: if you were really quick you would have answerd before me ... ;)
<DarthFrog> bwlang: I had just sat down at the computer when I saw your msg. :-)
<geneo93> xxxzzz:   you have to enable it in network-admin
<xxxzzz> caffinated: ok
<goxy> i have problem with intel 536ep modem anyone can help me
<Redwraith111> how do you untar sometin again
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  thats no excuse
<bwlang> xxxzzz: if your computer is fairly new it's likely to be pci... try this command "lspci -v" and search for something that looks like your ethernet card.  i want to be sure that it's registered on your bus.
<goxy> i have problem with intel 536ep modem anyone can help me
<bwlang> goxy: i don't know what that modem is... but don't repeat your question over and over...
<geneo93> have to go bblr
<goxy> ok
<critter> I'll just leave it in there for now. since no easy way to fix it. Thanks anyways
<goxy> i just...
<bwlang> xxxzzz: i've got to go... somebody else will help you out
<caffinated> anyone know of a reliable repository for sun's java?  i need 1.4.2, and the repo i normally use appears down
<xxxzzz> bwlang: okey. thank you. by the way my computer is very very old. it is pentium 166 mmx
<caffinated> heh, could be anything in there then
<xxxzzz> i have my network card in my hands but still i have no idea about waht kind of a network card it is
<caffinated> any company names on it?
<xxxzzz> GTS
<black_Nightmare> stupid question but can libs be on a different hd or..I probably should sourge a larger hd?
<xxxzzz> trademark..
<caffinated> is it ISA or PCI?
<caffinated> if it's ISA, there is a good chance it might not be PnP, which could really make things harder for you
<black_Nightmare> caffin...there's tons of 3COM isa thou isn't there?
<caffinated> black_Nightmare: sure.
<ogami1972> hello room-
<caffinated> black_Nightmare: i said there is a possibility, not a certainty ;)
<black_Nightmare> reason I asked about the hd is that...I only have a 2.5gb but might want to download a lot of libs so......
<Elsidox> does anyone know a good typing totour?
<Redwraith111> the kde one is ok
<mephisto> Hola all. I'm having a problem installing flash plugins for mozilla... I went through the package manager and added the flash things, but they don't appear to be the plugins for firefox. Anyone hanve an idea?
<black_Nightmare> elsidox..aside to the old mavis beacon program -- nope
<xxxzzz> i dont know because nothing defining these is written. here is the list of the words written:  GTS, FC-518LS,2K208YC, RTL8139C, RMC
<caffinated> mephisto: iirc, you need the flashplugin-nonfree package
<black_Nightmare> xxxzzz thats a realtek = RTL
<Elsidox> black_Nightmare, heh.
<black_Nightmare> elsidox...seriously...they were good hehehe
<black_Nightmare> ;)
<caffinated> mephisto: the repository for that won't be enabled by default
<Elsidox> black_Nightmare, we still use them at my high school. =)
<mephisto> Ok. I'm going to have to show my ignorance here. How do i enable it?
<xxxzzz> what if it is a realtek
<caffinated> xxxzzz: realtek eh?  you should be able to use it then
<black_Nightmare> elsidox :p
<xxxzzz> so, what should i do
<caffinated> realtek is fairly generic
<caffinated> well, next up you need to look up the card model to find out if it's plug and play or not
<black_Nightmare> caff...not quite so..there's actually some report of non-working realtek models seriously
<caffinated> some really old cards need software to set them up
<black_Nightmare> one of them was like 81xx something
<c0re_> ey
<caffinated> black_Nightmare: really?  i've always had fairly good success with them
<black_Nightmare> but the 8029 and so on are fully supportable anyhow
<Jeezis> man, when is ati gonna put out a driver for the x800 pro mobility :-/
<xxxzzz> where can i check this
<black_Nightmare> and I'm kinda bastardly lucky I have a 8029(AS) card on hand here :p
<caffinated> black_Nightmare: heh, i only buy 3com/us robotics
<caffinated> except for my wlan card, where i made an impulse buy, and paid for it
<akk> Oh, I had a nonworking realtek just a few months ago.
<caffinated> stupid motorola
<pantz> has anyone here mounted a samba share using /etc/fstab?
<c0re_> i've just installed ubuntu; i have a second disk drive (ntfs) with some files i would like to retrieve. what can i do?
<akk> realtek changed the chipset: it was funny, not only did the claimed linux driver not work, even the windows drivers they shipped didn't work with the new chipset.
<Burk> guys, ubuntu finds my adsl usb modem as "Dynamite modem". Is it the terrible chipset that is not (and never will be) supported?
<black_Nightmare> hrm...guess I'll sourge a larger hd then
<c0re_> ps: kinda n00b with this linux stuff :p
<sharp> how can i keep my laptop from sleeping when the lid is closed?
<caffinated> sharp: play loud music
<black_Nightmare> lol caffin :))
<sharp> :)
<caffinated> sharp: seriously though, you can probably tweak your kernel options for power management
<sharp> caffinated, how?
<caffinated> sharp: kernel recompile.  there may be some supplimentry tools for dealing with this though.  shop around before you resort to that.
<caffinated> unfortunatly i don't have a laptop, so i'll be of limited use there
<akk> sharp: If it uses acpi, you might be able to edit one of the files in /etc/acpi to change what it does when it sees the lid button event.
<black_Nightmare> I think it might be a bios thing for the lid sleep..i could be wrong thou
<bluefoxicy> <@Thornne> Blue: The Megas XLR theme in full (without lyrics) is used by CNN.
<bluefoxicy> <@Thornne> For their sports function
<akk> sharp: I see /etc/acpi/lid.sh -- that's probably the script that's being run when you close the lid.
* caffinated curses sun for not providing debs
<caffinated> bastards.  i need my $#!@ editor to work heh
<xxxzzz> okey, it is a plug and play card. what is next
<caffinated> put it back in, and start the machine up.  see if it's seen as 'eth0' when you run ifconfig
<Burk> go to sleep ;) see you again guys!
<sharp> ok its not sleeping
<xxxzzz> 5 minutes ago it did not
<sharp> just changeing vts
<mjg59> sharp: Edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh
<mjg59> But what problems is it causing?
<sharp> a ctrl-f7 gets me back
<sharp> to desktop
<mjg59> Ah. You don't get a lid up event?
<sharp> i guess not
<mjg59> (Gragh broken hardware designers)
<mjg59> Yeah, looks like we'll probably have to end up disabling that after Hoary. Sigh.
<black_Nightmare> one question anyhow... if 98se can burn cd fine at 24x @ 128MB ram then I should have no problem with 256MB ram @ ubuntu and burning a 24x or 32x cdr?
<akk> I have tons of trouble unsuspending from 2.6 even with my old apm laptop.
<black_Nightmare> its a buslink 32x12x40x ide drive [liteon rebadge]  ;)
<sharp> comment out chvt 12?
<DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: Should work just tickety-boo.
<black_Nightmare> umm what is 'tickety-boo' ??? lol
<DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: Google it. :-)
<black_Nightmare> you tell me!!
<black_Nightmare> you said it lol
<DarthFrog> Ah, young padawan, such impatience.
<DarthFrog> That's not tickety-boo. :-)
* akk tries to figure out why hoary can't compile xchat ... configure isn't finding gtk/gtk.h, maybe a bad pkg-config?
<PacoBCN> compile xchat? Isn't it installed by default?
<GnuKemist> akk, why not apt-get it?
<akk> I need an xchat that won't keep dismissing the window every time I type ^W
<akk> So I have to build my own, unfortunately.
<h2o> I'm having trouble with a wlan card & ndiswrapper -- the driver loads fine and dmesg shows  happy things, but the card won't find access points...card works great under XP -- and worked fine under Fedora -- any ideas?
<tritium> akk, do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed?
<akk> tritium: Yes, I have that.
<caffinated> h2o: are you running hoary or warty?
<Redwraith111> what sthe command to delete a fodler that has stuff in it
<Redwraith111> and the subdirs and everything
<Redwraith111> im giving up on wine
<Redwraith111> also how do i "uninstall it"
<h2o> caffinated:hoary & drinking Red Bull
<HappyPills> alrighty than... Does Ubuntu have a lilo autoconfiguration program?
<knucks> anyone here use a tv tuner on ubuntu?
<GnuKemist> Redwraith111, rm -rf
<Redwraith111> ok
<tritium> akk, did you install all of xchat's Build-dependencies?
<DarthFrog> HappyPills:  Ubuntu uses grub.
<caffinated> h2o: i had big problems with that too - what i had to do was downgrade my kernel to the one used by warty.
<e5Pete> I acedenty deleted the contest of /boot so now ubuntu won't boot, what do i do?
<tritium> knucks, yes, I have 2
<akk> tritium: I have /usr/include/gtk-2.0 with lots of files in it, but it looks like autoconf isn't finding it when it calls pkg-config
<caffinated> h2o: then it worked fine
<Redwraith111> lol i tried to install winex but i didnt have a config made and i dunno how to go back and make the config
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: Re-install.
<knucks> tritium: what progs should i use?
<Redwraith111> plus i want to delte source
<caffinated> h2o: i think the new kernel module for it is broken
<tritium> knucks, for just watching TV, or what?
<akk> tritium: I have xchat installed, so I assume the dependencies are all there (but maybe not all the -dev dependencies)
<knucks> yes
<HappyPills> DarthFrog: I know, I am trying to replace it with Lilo
<DarthFrog> HappyPills: Why?  Grub is much better.
<tritium> akk, no, installing a package does not install its build-dependencies
<ubuntu> guys I need some  help
<e5Pete> DarthFrog: is there a way so i can save my config and apps?
<akk> tritium: How do I install its build dependencies?  I'm probably missing something ...
<HappyPills> DarthFrog: Because I am having no luck with dual booting, and I know I've gotten it to work with Lilo before
<h2o> caffinated:awesome...did you insert the new kernel manually or through Synaptic/apt-get/etc?
<caffinated> h2o: i used 2-6.8.1-3 and locked it so it won't upgrade - i'll probably check it again when hoary goes stable
<black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possible to update from preview to any future release of hoary or not quite so?
<ubuntu> I'm using Mandrake and I just install the live CD for Gnome 2.10
<knucks> tritium: what progs should i use just for watching tv?
<caffinated> h2o: i added the warty repos and use apt
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: Yeah, boot from the live CD and back them up.
<tritium> akk, man apt-get will reveal that you can apt-get build-dep <packagename>
<Redwraith111> how can i uninstall winex now.. you were right caffinated
<ubuntu> How can I install it to Mandrake instead of the live CD?
<akk> tritium: Oh, apt-get build-dep?  Sorry, just found that.  Thanks.
<h2o> caffinated:excellent...thanks for the support!
<tritium> knucks, I use tvtime for watching TV, and mythtv for PVR stuff
<caffinated> h2o: no trouble, glad to save someone the hours it took me to figure that crap out ;)
<knucks> can i apt-get those?
<Redwraith111> eh caffinated? you were right
<e5Pete> DarthFrog: can't i just reinstall the files that's missing
<akk> Nothing new related to gtk ... but I do need some packages I don't have (bison stuff, etc.)
<tritium> knucks, yes
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: Actually, you might be able to copy the kernel over from the live CD, re-configure grub, and rescue your system.
<caffinated> h2o: oh, don't forget to get/lock the warty versions of ndiswrapper-tools too
<caffinated> or it won't work
<knucks> tthx
<h2o> caffinated: I appreciate it...been banging my head against this vaio for a while...ndiswrapper...ok, will do...
<tritium> knucks, tvtime is in universe
<black_Nightmare> hm no one?
<tritium> knucks, and mythtv is in multiverse
<knucks> tritium: i have an ati tv wonder
<knucks> i just got tvtime
<e5Pete> DarthFrog: i dont have a live cd at the moment - only the install 4.10. will this do?
<knucks> all i get is a bluescreen
<Redwraith111> is winex compiled in the kernal?
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: Or install Ubuntu again on a different partition, boot from that.
<tritium> winex isn't a kernel module
<caffinated> thank GOD winex isn't a kernel module haha
<akk> tritium: Nope, didn't help, it still doesn't think it has enough to build with the gtk front-end.
<caffinated> i can just imagine what kind of fun that would be
<knucks> hm everything's in black and white?!
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: The second installation option is the one I'd take in your situation.
<akk> tritium: It's getting the wrong flags from pkg-config, but config.log doesn't tell me what arguments it's passing in to pkg-config to get those compile flags.
<bokden> excuse me.  can someone point me in the direction of the unofficial Ubuntu guide?
<e5Pete> DarthFrog: i was wondering if i can use my 4.10 config-files in a 5.04 cuz i consider trying the new Hoacy?
<tritium> akk, are you rebuilding the ubuntu source package?
<HappyPills> http://ubuntuguide.org
<DarthFrog> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
<akk> tritium: No, just a tarball downloaded from xchat.org
<bokden> HappyPills, DarthFrog, Thank you
<HappyPills> =P np
<tritium> akk, that's probably the problem.  xchat ubuntu source package builds fine
<knucks> is there a way to fine tune all channels at once tritium?
<tritium> knucks, not sure what you mean by "fine tine"
<knucks> all my channels are gray
<knucks> i right clicked and found a "fine tune" option
<knucks> makes it color
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: Once you get your Warty installation fixed, it'll be a straightforward and easy upgrade to Hoary. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<tritium> you might have it configured for the wrong video standard (perhaps PAL instead of NTSC)
<knucks> no its definitely ntsc
<sabmoc> Hi DarthFrog
<akk> tritium: I'll try that now ... I'm doing apt-get source, but do I need to do something special to build it, or can I just configure and make?
* DarthFrog greets sabmoc with freshly BBQ'd salmon.
<e5Pete> DarthFrog: will it not be easier to install Hoary rigth away - i got an iso for it at my hd
<bung__> don't configure and make
<sabmoc> oh great, now Im hungry.
<sabmoc> and thirsty..
<bung__> dpkg-buildpackage in the source dir
<tritium> akk, if you're using the debian source package, and you've installed and the build dependencies, you can use devscripts to build it
<bung__> or apt-get source -b foo
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: Either way.
<bung__> iirc
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, are you any good at judging graphic design type stuff?
<akk> tritium: I'll try that, 'cause configure in the directory I get with apt-get source still doesn't build the gtk frontend.
<caffinated> sabmoc: well, you could go and get something.  i know detaching from the terminal is not an easy thing, but you CAN do it. ;)
<d27654> what auto-run at startup file can I put my gDesklet's in?
<tritium> akk, get dpkg-dev and devscripts.  Then you can use debuild or dpkg-buildpackage)
<e5Pete> DarthFrog: what do you meen?
<DarthFrog> e5Pete: You might be able to rescue your system by booting from that Hoary CD you're going to burn and upgrading via the CD.
<newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
<d27654> I need to run some commands at system startup
<sabmoc> caffinated, well I could, but .. NO I CANT!! AAGGHH!!!
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: I've been known to formulate an uninformed opinion before. :-)
<caffinated> sabmoc: haha
<HappyPills> hmm... this might work. I'll boot into Knoppix, grab the lilo configuration file from there, and Butcher it till I break something!
<e5Pete> DarthFrog: okay i'll try that, thx
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, want to see something Im working on in inkscape, its not nearly finished yet
<DarthFrog> newcpnb: You need to research the route command.  Route and netstat are your friends for what you want to do.
<caffinated> sabmoc: we might have to make an #ubuntu-addicts channel for some of you guys.  with some counciling and a little work, we can get you to the refridgerator :D
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: No time tonight.  Gotta get ready for VanLUG in a few minutes.
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, actually no, I dont want to show it to anyone yet, not close enough to being finished
<black_Nightmare> LOL caff... :p
<akk> tritium: Yes, looks like that's doing it.  I wonder what it's doing differently?
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, really? man I wish I could go!
<akk> tritium: I had to get fakeroot too, easy enough.
<newcpnb> DarthFrog, can you please tell me how to do this ?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Where are you?
<newcpnb> i spent 3 days on this and found nothing !
<tritium> akk, you can look in debian/rules under the source directory to see what it's doing
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, Sechelt, about an hour away from Van
<knucks> know any other tv programs?
<DarthFrog> newcpnb: Not now, sorry.  I have to leave in fairly short order.   It's a fairly advanced networking job, though.  Not beginner stuff.
<caffinated> that reminds me of a news article i saw once about a guy who played everquest for 4 days straight and actually died from exhaustion
<black_Nightmare> so..just to ask.. any of you know if laptop touchpad are usually a software thing, right?
<caffinated> craziness
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: I have a bunch of Ubuntu CDs to give out tonight at the meeting. :-)
<black_Nightmare> caff....want hear something worser?
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, cool
<caffinated> black_Nightmare: lay it on me
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, how often to you meet?
<newcpnb> DarthFrog, isnt this just one command ?
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: Monthly.  Go to http://www.linux.bc.ca   There's a VanLUG mailing list, get yourself put on it.
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, you should seriously sign up on the Canadian team wiki
<black_Nightmare> caff.... police case: girl died because a boy was quite a bit too D&D-fantasying into reality
<black_Nightmare> reason for death? sword
<black_Nightmare> :|
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: I've got another iron in the fire just at the moment.
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, absolutely, I will try to be there next time, but you too, sign up on the wiki
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, its ok, at least do it just to keep in contact with other Canadian ubunters
<GnuKemist> anybody from Northern NJ around?
<Redwraith111> Im in Canada
<Redwraith111> What are we talking about
<Redwraith111> lol
<Redwraith111> whats the link
<caffinated> black_Nightmare: i have a hard time understanding how people can cross that barrier :x
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, we're getting a mailing list setup pretty quick, its just a way to let anyone else know of important evens and stuff, but a little more too, but if you have no time thats ok.
<caffinated> definatly something wrong in the greymatter
<black_Nightmare> caff....me as well... ughh..don't even ask me anything about it anyhow
<sabmoc> Redwraith111, cool, join the team! where are you?
* GnuKemist wishes there was a team in Northern NJ
<sabmoc> Redwraith111, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam
<Absenth> how do I change what "right click" "terminal" launches in gnome?
* caffinated is also canadian, eh
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: It's not that I'm uninterested or don't have any time, it's that I'm going in a different direction just at the moment and I don't want to dilute my efforts.  Otherwise, it becomes work and I lose interest awful fast if that happens.
<black_Nightmare> just wondering for two questions: can I update hoary preview to any future upcoming hoary?  is laptop touchpad usually a software thing?
<black_Nightmare> :p
<black_Nightmare> caff....where? :p
<caffinated> Prince Rupert, BC
<ells> tritium: mike, what is up
<black_Nightmare> BC? ugh...thats opposite side of canada from me lol
<ells> anyone know about acidrip
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, I understand, but you do realize I will nag you until you rupture your spleen
<caffinated> if BC had a sphinchter, i'd be living in it heh
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, and even then I might not stop
<caffinated> i want to move to vancouver island i think
* sabmoc is UNSTOPABLE!!
<Absenth> caffinated, can't be as bad a Gary Indiana
<sabmoc> f34r m3!!
<caffinated> Absenth: i bet it could give it a good run for it's money
<jack|w> is there a way i can make ESD not "block" the alsa mixer?  Every time mozilla tries toplay a sound, it locks up
<DarthFrog> sabmoc: I've kinda noticed that you are a persistant puppy, yes.
<sabmoc> caffinated, you're in BC too?
<caffinated> yeah
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, yeah really
<DarthFrog> caffinated: Where are you?
<calc> sabmoc: u 2 l33t 4 m3
<caffinated> DarthFrog: Prince Rupert
<sabmoc> DarthFrog, but I hope you realize Im only joking, its cool man
<Absenth> I was within a few KM of BC last month
<DarthFrog> caffinated: PR is a very nice place in the 5 minutes each year that it's not raining. :-)
<Absenth> I made it as far as Lake Louise
<HappyPills> ah well... I'll give up on booting windows for now. TIme to move onto sharing my printer!
<black_Nightmare> eh I guess no one know about my questions then *shuts up*
<tritium> Absenth, you're in Gary?
<akk> tritium: debuild built the package okay, then bombed out because it wanted a signing program like gpp.
<Absenth> tritium, I'm in Fishers actually (near Indianapolis)(
<ells> any you tech guys familiar with the use of acidrip, just need to tweak it for op performance
<tritium> Absenth, cool, I'm in W. Lafayette
<caffinated> DarthFrog: hahah, word.  it actually SNOWED today
<jbass1234> hi
<akk> tritium: Er, gpg, even.  But gpg "has no installation candidate".  What's the right package to use there?
<sabmoc> calc, heh
<Absenth> tritium, nice.  going to Purdue?
<ells> tritium: what's up Mike
<caffinated> DarthFrog: like, i haven't seen more than 3 days of snow this year, and then today, for NO reason at all ...
<GnuKemist> black_Nightmare, what do you need to know about touchpad?
<tritium> akk, apt-cache search gpg to find out.  (it's gnupg)
<jbass1234> hey all, I had xmms working, ran update on synaptic, and now when I try to open xmms, it opens and closes automatically
<DarthFrog> caffinated: The cherries are blooming down here in LotusLand. :-)
<sabmoc> caffinated, this time last year I was living in Williams Lake, I feel for you
<tritium> Absenth, yeah, finishing PhD
<tritium> ells, hey
<akk> tritium: Oh, okay, I did an aptitude search and it didn't find it.
<ells> tritium: hows class man
<caffinated> sabmoc: actually rupert is fairly temperate, just some weird weather lately.
<tritium> ells, I don't have any classes :)  Just research/dissertation
<GnuKemist> jbass1234, try opening xmms from terminal and see if it spits out anything usefull
<akk> tritium: I never know which apt searching program to use to get the right answer ... they all seem a little different.
<tritium> ells, how about you?
<caffinated> sabmoc: it's usually warmer than terrace or smithers
<Absenth> tritium, nice.  I'm just getting ready to go get my first degree.  Kinda did the college thing for a whole semester, and quit.  going back after 10 years :)
<ells> tritium: forgot, not bad, just gonna study for my math final tomorrow
<sabmoc> caffinated, well lately you can barely call it winter, which is really bad for killing the damn beetles
<tritium> Absenth, awesome :)
<ells> tiritium: quntitative decision making
<tritium> ells, good luck
<ells> tritium: math is okay, but dont understand why they wanna find ways to make it hard
<jbass1234> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<jbass1234> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m odid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
<sabmoc> Redwraith111, are you Dennis?
<Absenth> tritium, I think I actually have a class I'll be taking in about 2 years called Hacking, and Counter hacking.
<GnuKemist> jbass1234, ouch
<caffinated> sabmoc: heh, i don't really pay too much attention to the insect life here, unless i'm killing the little bastards myself
<jbass1234> what does that mean?
<tritium> Absenth, :)
<newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
<GnuKemist> jbass1234, don't really know what it means but have you tried re-installing it?
<jbass1234> cannot open libmikdmod.so.2 cannot open shared object file
<jbass1234> xmms?
<jbass1234> yes
<PacoBCN> dammit, Enemy Territory shuts the system down :S
<PacoBCN> it's like if i typed shutdown -h now
<caffinated> PacoBCN: bad news.  i had some issues with that until i went and got drivers from nvidia's site
<ells> tritium: I got acidrip to rip the movie to avi, but the quality is not all that, slight lag in movie and voice. hoping someone in here knows ho to tweak it, and hopefully it will play on my home player
<black_Nightmare> sorry....gnuk ~ I was wondering if laptop touchpads are usually software or no?
<jbass1234> hmm
<sabmoc> caffinated, my place was wood heat like a lot of other up that way, so when we would go out to get the wood it almost make you sad to see just how bad the devestation has gotten, but thats the only reason I know about it.
<jbass1234> ok
<jbass1234> it works now
<newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
<jbass1234> I reinstalled libmikmod2
<akk> tritium: Unfortunately installing gnupg didn't make it happy, it still can't find a signing program (even though gpg is there!)
<knucks> Ok i need helpo
<jbass1234> xmms
<GnuKemist> jbass1234, what happened?
<jbass1234> works anyways
<caffinated> sabmoc: ah, ok
* black_Nightmare is playing with lincity now (on windoze of course)
<black_Nightmare> :p
<jbass1234> idk
<knucks> how do i find my MySQL root info?
<akk> tritium: Maybe it's unhappy because it doesn't have any keys ...
<knucks> or how do i create a new account
<jbass1234> oh I have a question
<newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
<jbass1234> why can't rhytmbox read mp3 files?
* akk has one but will have to figure out how to import from another machine; hoary doesn't seem to have sshd turned on yet
<tritium> akk, did you use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild?
<newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
<caffinated> jbass1234: i have no idea - i had big problems with that package.  i eventually removed it and used xmms.
<knucks> who can help me with MySQL ?
<tritium> ells, not sure...haven't used it
<akk> tritium: debuild
<Absenth> newcpnb, spamming the same question over and over isn't likely to get you any faster help.
<caffinated> it would die trying to read my mp3 list
<ells> tritium, kind of cool that it worked, just need to find a wiki or some good doc. on it
<GnuKemist> knucks, I think there's a command that will reveal all variables for MySQL
<caffinated> yeah, show variables
<jbass1234> yeah, me too
<caffinated> mysql-administrator is a lot friendlier though
<sabmoc> Redwraith111, ping
<GnuKemist> knucks, yeah, there's a bunch of GUI apps out there for mysql
<caffinated> jbass1234: that's one thing i'm really not happy about with ubuntu - the media software choices are not what i can describe as "best of breed"
<caffinated> they simply have never worked for me
<jbass1234> alright
<jbass1234> as long as xmms works
<caffinated> i had issues with totem too
<jbass1234> thanks
<jbass1234> bye
<GnuKemist> caffinated, rhythmbox didn't work for me out of the box
<tritium> caffinated, you need gstreamer0.8-mad
<GnuKemist> caffinated, then one day after aot-get upgrade it worked
<caffinated> tritium: i just got rid of it.
<caffinated> xine works great
<GnuKemist> caffinated, and gstreamer too
<tritium> caffinated, that's why you can't play mp3
<Absenth> newcpnb, sorry man,  I'm drawing a blank on howto's for ubuntu as a router.
<caffinated> tritium: no, rhythm box was the first to go
<caffinated> after that, totem followed
<Absenth> newcpnb, and the way I set mine up won't help you since it's openbsd 3.5
<tritium> akk, try dpkg-buildpackage instead
<tritium> caffinated, it works, though.  That's what I'm saying
<caffinated> tritium: it doesn't though.
<caffinated> tritium: totem won't read anything i give it.  not even mpeg.  it was very frustrating.
<tritium> caffinated, my working rhythmbox is a counter-example to your claim
<caffinated> and STILL wouldn't read anything even after i updated all the packages
<GnuKemist> totem plays DVDs for me
<pcybill> tritium: Do you know if Hoary will have and upgrade option or should I just backup home and do a fresh install?
<akk> tritium: Uh-oh, with dpkg-buildpkg it has the error where it doesn't build the gtk front-end.
<caffinated> tritium: well, that's good, except lots of people have been in here recently with non-working rhythembox setups ;)
<akk> tritium: So something debuild is doing is necessary in the process.
<caffinated> so, there is some problem with it
<dwmcqueen> Anyone know how to get GDM to display Xfce in the Sessions menu?
<SysFail> if ANYbody has gotten webmin from synaptic to work please msg me???? ...I keep getting access denied errors trying to load the page
<knucks> how do i check my mysql settings?
<tritium> pcybill, when Hoary is released, there will be an announcement, and instructions on how to upgrade at the very least.
<knucks> i need to know where the database and everything?
<knucks> PLAESE HELP
<dwmcqueen> Also, why would 2.6.10 kernel not recognize my tulip ethernet card while warty's kernel does?
<pcybill> tritium: Great thanks
<akk> tritium: I have to go to dinner, but thanks for the help so far!  I'll get back to this later.
<Yldthing> u can upgrade to final version of hoary with apt-get, right?
<tritium> akk, np
<GnuKemist> gonna hit the sack... night all
<tritium> Yldthing, yes
<akk> Maybe it just wants a gpg key or something.
<Yldthing> excellent
<tritium> Yldthing, and then possibly purge portmap, or something similar
<Absenth> ubuntu doesn't install dhcpd by default does it?
<caffinated> Absenth: i don't believe so
<caffinated> it's fairly light on installing server-type stuff
<tritium> caffinated, did you try w32codecs when you were having trouble with videos?
<Absenth> caffinated, I didn't think so either......  if it did, does anyone know where the dhcpd.conf would live?
<SysFail> nobody is running webmin??
<Absenth> SysFail, not I sorry.
<caffinated> tritium: it wouldn't play back xvid, divx or mpeg.  xine does this all out of the box.
<tritium> Absenth, it doesn't install by default
<SysFail> weird
<SysFail> figured alot of ppl would be
<tritium> caffinated, that's why I asked if you installed the codecs
<caffinated> tritium: i got the codecs out of the repos.
<Absenth> SysFail, I think most Ubuntu users aren't using it as a server.  At least that's my guess
<tritium> caffinated, w32codecs?
<caffinated> but i didn't add any win32 codecs
<caffinated> i shouldn't need to.
<sig> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/
<Yldthing> tritium, purge portmap?
<tritium> Absenth, it's for security reasons that few services are installed
<tritium> Yldthing, yeah.
<Yldthing> what's portmap?
<caffinated> if i should need to, then that's a major flaw with totem, and they should replace totem with gxine.
<tritium> caffinated, that was your problem there then
<newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
<tritium> caffinated, no, the problem is the restricted formats
<caffinated> tritium: that's just going to confuse and frustrate people
<Absenth> tritium, I figured,  since I got to install nfsd, and portmap etc. etc.
<tritium> caffinated, it's a legal issue that can't be gotten around
<caffinated> tritium: um, mpeg is a restricted format? ;)
<dwmcqueen> Anyone know how to get xfce to show up in menu in GDM?
<Absenth> tritium, beats the hell out of removing all the crap you didn't want.
<tritium> caffinated, no, but some of the other codecs in w32codecs
<dwmcqueen> And how to get GDM to restart?
<tritium> Absenth, yes
<caffinated> tritium: then that doesn't explain why mpegs wouldn't work
<caffinated> imo, totem is just a bad idea.  especially if you want a distro that "just works"
<tritium> caffinated, you mentioned other codecs.  see this:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<caffinated> i mean, if you can't do *anything* with it out of the box, it may as well not be there
<Yldthing> what is compositing?  as described here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
<tritium> there are legal reasons they can't just do what you want
<caffinated> Yldthing: makes video updates faster, as well as adding some visual effects.
<caffinated> hardware accellerated transparancy, and shadowing, etc..
<dwmcqueen> Anyone here even use GDM?
<Yldthing> oooo
<tritium> dwmcqueen, of course
<Yldthing> is it worth the effort in your opinion?
<dwmcqueen> tritium: How do you get itt to recognize other windowmanagers?
<friedCrumpet> Hello.  I'm having some problems with Keyboard bindings.  Specifically trying to bind the 'windows' key + L to lock my screen.   However, when I press the windows key, I just get 'Super_R' added as the key binding.  Any pointers as how to fix this?
<Dillweed> dwmcqueen: everyone does :) i think
<dwmcqueen> I want to go into xfce.
<HrdwrBoB> friedCrumpet: that's what it is.
<caffinated> tritium: i'm not arguing that it might work if you go through the hassle.  i'm just saying that it IS a hassle.  and people who are attacted to this kind of distro are not going to be impressed by a video player that is as useful as a doorstop ;)
<tritium> dwmcqueen, I haven't tried it.  Look on the wiki or forums for xfce issues
<Dillweed> dwmcqueen: click on sessions and then login
<dwmcqueen> Billweed: xfce doesn't appear in the resulting menus
<tritium> caffinated, the legal issues are what they are
<yasirf> how to change the root password
<caffinated> tritium: and the usability issues are what they are
<Dillweed> dwmcqueen: it's Dillweed :) and do you have xfce installed?
<yasirf> how to change the root password?
<yasirf> how to change the root password?
<caffinated> yasirf: you don't
<yasirf> but i can
<dwmcqueen> Dillweed: Yes...sorry monitor is bad ;P
<caffinated> yasirf: use sudo with your regular user's account
<tritium> caffinated, can't break the law for usability
<Dillweed> lol
<Dillweed> dwmcqueen: yes, you have xfce installed?
<caffinated> if you *really* need to give a password to root, use: sudo su and then passwd
<dwmcqueen> Dillweed: Yes
<caffinated> but you shouldn't
<tritium> sudo passwd
<caffinated> leave root disabled.
* HostingGeek hugs daniels 
<tritium> yasirf, sudo -s -H is recommended instead
<daniels> agh
* mode/#ubuntu [+o daniels]  by ChanServ
<caffinated> HostingGeek: first name jack?
* mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@200.48.233.220]  by daniels
<dwmcqueen> Dillweed: How do you restart gdm?
* mode/#ubuntu [-o daniels]  by daniels
<friedCrumpet> HrdwrBoB: Sorry, phone just rang.  What do you mean 'Thats what it is?'
<yasirf> what is  sudo - H mean?
<Dillweed> dwmcqueen: logout.  gdm should have it already in the menu when you logout.
<HrdwrBoB> friedCrumpet: the windows key is called 'Super_R'
<HrdwrBoB> what's the problem?
* kain thinks it's pizza time, brb
<friedCrumpet> Yeah, I can't use it in conjunction with another key
<friedCrumpet> such as 'L'
<dwmcqueen> Dillweed: It doesn;t
<caffinated> yasirf: sudo is a program that allows you to run things as root, without actually being root.
<dwmcqueen> I did logout.
<caffinated> yasirf: it's how you do administration in ubuntu instead of using the root account
<Dillweed> dwmcqueen: don't know then try doing a ctrl-alt-backspace.  everytime I've installed xfce the option to change the session to xfce was there.
<caffinated> yasirf: prefixing 'sudo' with any command that needs root access will ask for a password - give it your user account password and it will execute.
<dwmcqueen> Dillweed: I'll try that
<HostingGeek> *g*
<newcpnb> I want one help please !   I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1.       I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ???
<Redwraith111> hey guys.. i downloaded a theme
<Redwraith111> and it says file format invalid
<Redwraith111> any ideas?
<HostingGeek> Redwraith111: untar it in ~/.themes
<friedCrumpet> Can anyone help with keybinding issues?  Specifically getting the windows key to work as a modifier key like ALT and CTRL?
<Redwraith111> k
<h2o> caffinated: can I bend your ear (eye) again?
<ironwolf> what is gam_server and why does it keep respawning?  I can't seem to umount a partition.
<Silvergun> anyone know an app to reassign my pwr, sleep, etc keys to volume and such?
<bananasek> hey everyone
<HostingGeek> freemymind: system > pref > keybaord shortcuts
<HostingGeek> freemymind: system > pref > keybaord
<pi> Has anybody here successfully installed cacti?
<Jeezis> pi: what is cacti?
<h2o> caffinated: I downgraded to 2.6.8.1-3-686 & likewise the warty ndiswrapper but the behavior is still the same...
<pi> Jeezis: It's a stats utility for web servers, uses rrdtool to make nice graphs
<Redwraith111> i untared and nothing
<Jeezis> have you tried "apt-get install cacti"
<pi> Jeezis: yes
<Jeezis> hmmm
<friedCrumpet> HostingGeek, I presume you were meaning that for me.  I can get into those fine, but if I try to bind Win+L, it just comes up with 'Super_R' or 'Super_L' as if the keys were not modifier keys, but actual keys by themselves
<pi> I am getting odd errors about mysql_connect not being a defined function, when there are multiple other php scripts using it
<HostingGeek> friedCrumpet: yes
<Jeezis> hmmm, i dont think i'm your man. i dont work with servers much :-/
<HostingGeek> friedCrumpet: change in those apps
<pi> that's ok
<bananasek> i know this is a question you guys get all the time, but how can I mount windows partitions? :)
<tritium> pi, it's in universe.  make sure you've included it in your sources.list
<Chipzz> if you know this is a question we get all the time, why don't you bother to check the faq? :P
<pi> tritium: that is not the issue, i can install through apt without a problem, this is a matter of actually getting it working
<tritium> ok
<pi> i think it may be a problem with the package itself
<h2o> anyone have insights on wlan w/ ndiswrapper...driver loads great, dmesg is happy, but iwconfig reports the card can't find any access points...works great in XP...and Fedora...
<Jeezis> h2o: i've had the same problem :-p
<Roey> hello
<Roey> HI
<Jeezis> Roey: HI
<h2o> Jeezis: have you made the card work in other environments? if so, which?
<ogami1971> hi room!- i have an icewm question...
<ogami1971> or 2
<Jeezis> it works perfectly in XP and it did work for a while, but as soon as i try to connect to a new network
<Jeezis> it doesnt
<h2o> have you made any progress on a solution?
<h2o> tried linuxant?
<Jeezis> no actually, what is that
<Roey> I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5 ; grub-update",  and when I booted the new kernel I get this:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
<HostingGeek> ogami1971: 'hannel'
<HostingGeek> ogami1971: ask!
<h2o> a paid wlan driver loader...free trial then you pay $20 after the trial's over...
<h2o> Jeezis: www.linuxant.com
<h2o> I've not tried it yet
<ogami1971> first - how to adjust pwr management settings- second-is there an easy way to launch programs- like alt+f2?
<Jeezis> h2o: huh, i just used ndiswrapper and it loads fine, its just an issure of connectivity
<pi> ogami1971: try xbindkeys
<h2o> Jeezis: yeah, ndiswrapper loads for me fine also...but something's not right...I've also played with disabling acpi...no different
<ogami1971> ooo- thanks- have to go get it first...
<Jeezis> h2o: what machine are you running it on?
<h2o> Jeezis: Sony Vaio PCG-GRX670 -- you?
<Jeezis> h2o: Sager 9860-s
<Jeezis> it seems that we are having the same type of problem :-p
<Roey> anyone know the answer to my problem?
<ogami1971> what was the question?
<Roey> I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-2.6.11.5 2.6.11.5 ; grub-update",  and when I booted the new kernel I get this:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
<Roey> what's wrong here?
<Roey> er
<Roey> how do I fix this?
<h2o> yeah...I'm going to go try booting with "noapm nolapic noapic noacpi" in the kernel command line...will let you know if I have success...
<Jeezis> h2o: is your wireless card an internal one?
<Jeezis> h2o: hell, it cant hurt
<h2o> Jeezis: no...external PCMCIA Linksys WPC54G using Broadcom chipset
<Absenth> if dist-upgrade ever finishes I can test my ltsp server....
<bluefoxicy> question with openoffice
<h2o> brb...
<bluefoxicy> when you do those slides, they have lines and crap in the background
<bluefoxicy> how do you control those
<odie5533> Is there a way to mount a directory as a drive, and possibly easily delete it?
<bluefoxicy> like, "Dark Blue with Orange" has lines at the bottom
<Absenth> odie5533, what is it you'er wanting to do?
<HostingGeek> Roey: there is no need to build your own kernel
<odie5533> Organize myself more
<HostingGeek> Roey: but if you do make you use the ubuntu patches
<bananasek> alright, i mounted my partitions with the help of friedcrumpet, but now i can't open the folder, even though i know the mounting worked... any ideas? the error msg say "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows"."
<HostingGeek> Roey: and you need inotify
<odie5533> bananasek you set it wrong
<odie5533> bananasek: you working in fstab?
<bananasek> in what?
<odie5533> howd you mount it
<Roey> HostingGeek:  ok, ubuntu patches???
<tritium> bananasek, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
<friedCrumpet> I was just showing him how to do it at the command line with 'mount'
<Roey> HostingGeek:  how so?
<bananasek> i'll check that out... and i'll stop wasting ur time
<Roey> HostingGeek:  and where do I get inotify??
<AcidWolf> anyone on PPC know why apt-get update doesnt work
<HostingGeek> Roey: if you don't know about that stuff then you shouldn't build your own kernel
<Roey> HostingGeek:  there are things I need like wacom support, for instance.
<Roey> HostingGeek:  I've been building kernels under debian for years... what's so special about ubuntu that you need to use inotify?
<bluefoxicy> right, nobody here knows h ow to use ooimpress.
<AcidWolf> in hoary :(
<HostingGeek> Roey: the should be built inside a module
<Roey> HostingGeek:  this is just the first time I'm using grub.
<HostingGeek> Roey: gnome needs inotify
<Roey> HostingGeek:  aaah, I'm using KDE ;)
<HostingGeek> Roey: kde needs more patches
<Roey> HostingGeek:  does it?
<madstop> Is anybody using mldonkey, and can you tell me how to run the damn thing?  I can't find a command for the gui
<Roey> HostingGeek:  I'm concerned that ubuntu is not yet 'finished', by what I hear you say
<HostingGeek> Roey: yes like one to make the system run slower ;)
<Roey> :)
<HostingGeek> Roey: just use the ubuntu kernel
<tritium> Roey, so you're using make-kpkg and linux-source-<ver> packages?
<Roey> HostingGeek:  :) well I think GNOME's Nautilus fills that need just fine.
<HostingGeek> Roey: and build the drive as a module
<Roey> tritium:  I've done it with straight LILO before.
<tritium> Roey, no, the kernel building
<Roey> HostingGeek:  no kpkg or anything.
<Roey> tritium:  none of this kpkg nonsense
<tritium> Roey, that's the debian way, not nonsense
<Roey> tritium:  just build, cp archi/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-blah
<tritium> having your kernel under package management is a good thing
<Roey> tritium:  cp System.map /boot/System.map-blah
<HostingGeek> Roey: crimsun i belive knows a lot about this stuff
<Roey> tritium:  update lilo.conf accordingly, and run lilo
<Roey> HostingGeek:  crimsun is great
<Roey> tritium:  I know, I know.
* Absenth wishes dist-upgrade would finish already.
<Roey> tritium:  I've been so lazy with it
<Roey> Absenth:  heya
<Roey> tritium:  anyhow, I can't get this stupid thing to boot right.
<Roey> tritium:  and, past that, Grub gives me this weird error on startup:
<Roey> tritium:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
<tritium> you'd have an easier time if you were using linux-source-<version> and kernel-package
<Roey> tritium:  that's with the default kernel.
<tritium> Roey, you can patch it
<Roey> tritium:  patch grub?
<Roey> tritium:  what's happening, btw??
<Roey> tritium:  btw, my /, /boot, and /home are on raid devices.
<tritium> Roey, no, the kernel
<Roey> tritium:  what's more... why is that  last device appearing differently than the first two ones in this listing:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LuhRpJ24.html
<geppy> Hoary:  What package would provide /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build:
<Roey> arg, he quit.
<friedCrumpet> Okay, one last try to see if I can get this keybinding thing sorted out.  Here is what I am trying to do:  Bind 'Win'+L to lock my screen, just like it works in windows.  I went into System->Keyboard Shortcuts, and tried to set it.  All I got was 'Super_R' in the keybind, which meant that the right windows key by itself would lock the screen.  This is not what I wanted.  Going into Keyboard prefs, Layout Options I have changed it 
<Roey> I was gonna ask, "patch the kernel now??"
<maxchee> does anyone use mldonkey here?
<tritium> Roey, no, patch your kernel
<maxchee> friedCrumpet: gconf
<friedCrumpet> maxchee: What do I do in gconf?
<Roey> tritium:   with which patch?
<Roey> tritium:  btw, thanks for helping me :)
<tritium> Roey, whichever you wanted
<Roey> tritium:  oh, I see.
<tritium> Roey, you complained that the linux-source- package is the default one
<Roey> tritium:  so I shoudl actually.. apt-get install the kernel sources, then patch it.
<Roey> ok.
<Roey> tritium:  that default kernel gives me that error with grub.
<tritium> Roey, the one you built, or the ubuntu image you can install?
<Roey> I have no idea which patch would solve the problem I get on normal bootup:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
<Roey> tritium:  the one that ubuntu installed for me.
<tritium> Roey, the only reason I mentioned a patch is because you seemed to dislike the default linux-source
<Roey> tritium:  there are two things here:  (1) I am trying to install a new kernel, (2) I get this error on bootup.
<Roey> tritium:  understood.
<Roey> tritium:  the LinuxWacom project puts out their own wacom drivers
<Roey> tritium:  NVidia puts out their own wacom drivers.
<Roey> tritium:  I know NVidia drivers are there in Ubuntu, but they're a revision older.
<tritium> Roey, I'm not familiar with wacom drivers
<tritium> only the nvidia video drivers
<Roey> ok
* Absenth exits garlic before he breaks something accidently at the #
<AcidWolf> sigh
<Absenth> Weeee........
<Deshboard> hellp
<Absenth> remind me to exit irc, before flushing pf next time :)
<Deshboard> errmmm... *Hello
<friedCrumpet> hi
<Deshboard> rumors say this is the place for online tech/mental support
<friedCrumpet> If only
<Absenth> Deshboard, what was the question?
<calc> Deshboard: take 10 of those red pills and call us in the morning
<Deshboard> well, I have two of them
<Absenth> Deshboard, I was looking at 8 second internet porn.....  ok not really, but it sounded good.
<Deshboard> first of all, how do I get a root password? [I know I sounds stupid, beat me up later] 
<tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<Deshboard> ...K, I'll have a look, thanks
<Absenth> Deshboard, or http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootmodifykernel
<Deshboard> and the other one, I have a small HD I used to back up my files
<Deshboard> and I have no idea how to mount it
<friedCrumpet> Is there a http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MakeTheStupidWindowsKeyWork page?
<Absenth> Deshboard, where is it installed?  Second drive on ide0, or first drive on ide1?
<Seq> friedCrumpet: work how? its an excellent modifier by default
<Deshboard> hmmmpph... I actually have no idea
<friedCrumpet> Naw, It doesn't work for me Seq.  Well, not in the way I want to.  I want to press Win+L to lock the screen
<madstop> heh, friedCrumpet, when I installed kde in ubuntu I expected that key to work for the menu, but they killed it.
<Absenth> Deshboard, it's probibly /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc
<Absenth> Deshboard, you can try sudo fdisk /dev/hdb and then p
<Absenth> q to exit.
<Seq> friedCrumpet: well thats a keybinding thing. the key works, theres just no logo+L binding by default
<friedCrumpet> But setting a keybinding causes 'Super_L' or 'Super_R' to come up
<friedCrumpet> It doesn't let me use it like a modifier
<Deshboard> i think it's hdc actually
<Deshboard> the knoppix mounted it as hdc
<friedCrumpet> If I try to set the windows keys to Meta or Hyper
<neighborlee> does anyone else get a weird little sound ( hoary with gnome 2.10) when going from say 'mail' to 'contacts' in evolution ?
<Absenth> then try sudo fdisk /dev/hdc
<Seq> ahh, so maybe it is a key by default instead of a modifier. hold on
<friedCrumpet> It lets me set a keybinding, but the keybinding doesn't work at all
<Deshboard> and... is it safe to modify FAT32?
<HostingGeek> <Deshboard> rumors say this is the place for online tech/mental support
<HostingGeek> besides the forums
<Absenth> Deshboard, once you know where the partition is, and what type it is, you can mount it with either mount, or fstab
<HostingGeek> and phone support
<HostingGeek> and the mailing list
<HostingGeek> and friends
<friedCrumpet> neighborlee: I get a 'pop' sound
<HostingGeek> and....
<Absenth> HostingGeek, don't forget the bottle of Captain
<Deshboard> I can't use mount... I'm not root
<tritium> Deshboard, sudo mount
<Absenth> sudo mount
<Absenth> everything that requires root,  run the command preceded with "sudo
<Deshboard> so, if I type "sudo" as a prefix in the console I can do anything a root can?
<Deshboard> oh, you already said that...
<Absenth> Deshboard, Correct.
<Deshboard> thanks :)
<lukin1> hello all
<kain> which packages is needed to compile a module against a 2.6.10-5-686 kernel without installing the whole source? or it is mandatory?
<Deshboard> problem is, I need root password to stuff like... configuring my ethernet
<ice_1963> sudo passwd root
<Absenth> sudo = Super User do (I think)  and if not that's my story and I'm sticking with it.
<kain> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/zc0302 co zc030x
<kain> ups
<tritium> kain, linux-headers-`uname -r`
<Absenth> Deshboard, no you don't  sudo ifconfig attribs.  :)
<kain> tritium, ok, I'll check
<Deshboard> well... thanks :)
<kain> funny, I though they were installed
<kain> thanks
<Absenth> Deshboard, heh, coming from a redhat background, it's taken some getting used to for me too.
<Deshboard> so sudo mount /dev/hdc
<neighborlee> friedCrumpet, hmm just one pop noise ?..odd mine is like a bunch of little ones strung together..almost like someone playing quick little congo drum piece LOL
<Deshboard> I'm from a windows background :/
<neighborlee> friedCrumpet, weird I know but thats what I get LOL
<Deshboard> always said i'd switch but was too lazy
<tritium> Deshboard, you need to specify a mount-point
<Absenth> Deshboard, probibly $sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /windows (after doing mkdir windows)
<HostingGeek> Deshboard: system > admin > user $ groups and give your self access
<Absenth> make that.... sudo mkdir /windows :)  unless you're putting it in your home dir.
<lukin1> anyone see or fix a problem with Totem Movie Player where AVI's are all choppy?
<friedCrumpet> neighborlee:  Maybe look in sound preferences and see what is in there... :)
<tritium> lukin1, totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
<tritium> do you have w32codecs installed?
<lukin1> totem-gstreamer i guess... whatever hoary installed :)
<lukin1> tritium: i didnt install any codecs .. are they in the update manager
<Mestapheles> hi
<tritium> lukin1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<Absenth> alright 2 hours and counting on dist-upgrade
<Mestapheles> holy two hrs.  dial up?
<Absenth> Mestapheles, no, it's a 500 celery.  taking forever every step of the way.
<Deshboard> it doesn't work
<lukin1> tritium: thanks a mill .. i will go do some reading!
<Deshboard> at first it said I need to specify a file system, so I wrote:
<tritium> lukin1, sure :)
<Deshboard> sudo mount [-t FAT32]  /dev/hdc1 /windows
<tritium> lukin1, my personal preference is xine (or gxine)
<Deshboard> but it just spills the complete prefix manual on me
<tritium> Deshboard, -t vfat
<neighborlee> friedCrumpet, veryyy odd...you know it sounds like a slowed down version ( by quite a bit) of question.wav
<neighborlee> friedCrumpet, odd
<tritium> Hi neighborlee :)
<Deshboard> "sudo mount [-t vfat]  /dev/hdc1 /windows"??
<Absenth> Deshboard, did you create a /windows directory?
<tritium> Deshboard, don't use the "[" and "] "
<Deshboard> yep
<Deshboard> no barriers?
<lukin1> tritium: i've only used mplayer before.. but willing to try something different.. i just want my clips to play !
<tritium> heh, no
<neighborlee> tritium, HI  do I know you or just saying a kind generic hello ;-))heh
<tritium> lukin1, good luck :)
<Absenth> eclipse $sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /windows
<tritium> neighborlee, yes, we've chatted before.  How's the game development?
<Deshboard> well, it mounted
<Deshboard> but I can't access any directory
<neighborlee> tritium, ahhhh ok kewl
<neighborlee> tritium, SLOW of course..one man teams tend to be like that <wink>
<Mestapheles> if I do a upgrade righ now and encounter any buggy software, it'll be fixed as a simple update right?
<tritium> yep
<akk> tritium: On that xchat I was building: looks like it built a .deb that works, so I can just ignore the error about signing it.
<Deshboard> and when I try browsing through the console I get an empty dir
<neighborlee> tritium, but I'm working on altering that ;-)
<Absenth> Deshboard, I think.....  and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. you can....   $ chmod 777 /windows
<friedCrumpet> neightborlee: Maybe your sound server or drivers are not working properly?
<tritium> akk, cool.  You modified the source in some way?
<Absenth> throw a sudo in there.
<neighborlee> friedCrumpet, shrug should be fine...sblive here and so far evo is only app that seems to display this behavior
<Absenth> Deshboard, that gives full read/write/execute to /windows for all users.
<neighborlee> friedCrumpet, it noticeably slows down transitions from say mail to contacts or any other area for that matter
<Deshboard> through sudo
<Deshboard> ?
<Agrajag> Absenth: no you can't
<akk> tritium: Yes, a couple of lines to turn off mandatory keybindings that aren't otherwise turnoffable.
<Agrajag> fat32 doesn't support permissions
<tritium> akk, okay.
<akk> (notably ^F)
<Agrajag> you have to set a umask when you mount it
<Deshboard> arrgghh
<friedCrumpet> neighborlee:  Weird.  Maybe evo is using a lot of CPU for some reason at that point.
<Absenth> Agrajag  but the /windows has permissions doesn't it.
* akk doesn't understand why the xchat developers think ^F is so much more important than all the other keybindings, that it's hardwired and the others aren't
<Deshboard> what should be the complete mount command line? [if I'm not being to pesky] 
<tritium> Deshboard, have you seen this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows ?
<Agrajag> yes, but changing the mountpoint's permissions will not change what's mounted
<neighborlee> friedCrumpet, yeah would seem to be
<Seq> friedCrumpet: yeah, i've got it to let me set the keybinding for Logo+L to lock screen, but it also doesn't work. WHich is odd, because other bindings work, and my logo+number bindings work...
<Absenth> WOOOOO!!!! dist-upgrade finished!!!!
<Deshboard> well
<Miguez> howdy guys.  Been using Ubuntu for three days on a PII 350MHz, everything working great.  Installed in my Athlon machine today, Soyo KT-600 DragonPlus 1.0 mobo, Ubuntu won't recognize the on-board LAN
<Deshboard> the directory is there, but I have no permission
<Miguez> Soyo has no Linux drivers
<Miguez> any ideas?
<Mestapheles> say I've a custom installed X, I imagine I shoudl pin it if I want to keep it while upgrading to hoary
<Miguez> by the way, checked ubuntuguide also, nothing there
<Mestapheles> or will upgrade proceed just fine and simply refused to upgrade all but custom X/
<Mestapheles> ?
<Deshboard> is there anyway to gain permission?
<tritium> Deshboard, did you see the URL I sent you?
<Deshboard> oh, sorry, I'll look
<kurtwisener> Hi guys
<Miguez> hey kurt
* akk tests the new xchat
<kurtwisener> does anyone here know anything about fixing the sound problems on a mac mini
<Mestapheles> is hoary being kept up to date with security issues as we speak?
<akk> Cool, it works.
<Miguez> guys, any ideas on how to enable the onboard LAN?
<Miguez> wasn't recognized during install
<akk> It even has reasonable default fonts, yay for ubuntu
<zenrox> Mestapheles,  yep
<Deshboard> finally!
<Deshboard> great! you've been much help!
<Mestapheles> thanks, I might upgrade tonight by pinning my X else I'll worry about it post upgrade.  Does anuyone knowif the accel freeze issue on iMacs with r128 were ever solved?
<kurtwisener> Is this a good place to go for ubuntu/mac support
<geneo93> Mestapheles:  lock down the kernel as well
<SiRrUs> good evening
<kurtwisener> Does Mac Mini/Ubuntu Support exist anywhere?
<kurtwisener> I have checked the forums
<kurtwisener> I didn't see much there
<kurtwisener> any clues
<neighborlee> hey all.is there a IM cliient for linux that will allow one to have a sweet little icon picture like say msn in windows does ??
<kain> neighborlee, gaim
<neighborlee> gaim doesnt seem to allow one so im curious
<neighborlee> o_0
<geneo93> google for it
<tritium> neighborlee, gaim does in fact
<kain> check msn plugin options
<neighborlee> geneo93,gee thanks LOL
<neighborlee> kain, ok sounds good
<kurtwisener> WHERE DO I GO?
<tritium> kurtwisener, please don't yell.
<akk> I can't find a font chooser -- does gtkfontsel exist in some ubuntu package?
<kurtwisener> sorry
<MacPlusG3> neighborlee: gaim will put pictures there if people have set them
<akk> In debian it's in a package of the same name, but that doesn't seem to be in ubuntu.
<kain> damn, spca5xx nor zc030x works with my stoopid creative cam
<kurtwisener> I am on my fourth day of this
<kurtwisener> seriously
<geneo93> gaim supports avitars
<tritium> kurtwisener, you're probably one of a small group using ubuntu on mac mini at this point
<neighborlee> MacPlusG3, actually sorry my bad..I meant can I put a picture there for people to see
<MacPlusG3> neighborlee: i think so... in the settings for something... have a look, i'm sure i've seen it.
<MacPlusG3> neighborlee: at least for some networks
<tritium> kurtwisener, what's the issue?
<MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: there's been some discussion on the debian-powerpc list
<geneo93> why are you that pretty
<kurtwisener> I am trying to fu=igure out what modules to enable in my recomplie
<geneo93> hehe
<kurtwisener> the mini uses the Apple Intrepid sound setup
<kurtwisener> I am trying to find another similar older system configuration to base my efforts off of
<MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: there's only really one or two mac sound drivers. they need some love :)
<shai> hei, last one :] 
<kurtwisener> do powerbooks use Intrepid
<MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: check the debian-powerpc list
<shai> I just switched to linux and I'm looking for a good C++ compiler/development enviorment
<shai> any reccomendations?
<kurtwisener> thank you mac, is that through the debian main site
<MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: yeah, should be easy to find. most ppc related people hang out there. good resource.
<MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: and considering ubuntu and debian are pretty closely related, it's still applicable
<jsgotangco> qt toolkit is good if you prefer kde
<kurtwisener> right on thank you
<Yldthing> vim :D
<kurtwisener> Tritium sorry about the loudness man
<MacPlusG3> shai: Anjuta isn't bad if you want an IDE
<shai> I'm on gnome... does it make any diffrence?
<kain> waiting for anjuta2...
<Yldthing> eclipse is ok
<kain> eclipse exists in repositories?
<shai> which is the most... standart?
<Yldthing> i think the site has it
<tritium> kurtwisener, np :)
<kurtwisener> later fellas and thanks again
<MacPlusG3> shai: there is no real standard.
<farruinn> akk: do you have universe enabled?  apt-cache search shows a gtkfontsel package for me
<jsgotangco> well theres no standard really except they usually use the same compiler
<kain> eclipse-platform doesn't exists in current hoary repository
<shai> It was refrainly asked... I meant, which is the closest to the standart ANSI/ISO?
<shai> I don't wanna download a compiler just to realize it doesn't match
<kain> there is eclipse-nls-sdk
<Miguez> where in Ubuntu can I check settings on my NIC?
<kain> but it's a localized message catalog
<farruinn> shai: gcc is the standard gnu compiler, I think that's ANSI/ISO compatible...
<jsgotangco> gcc is the most standard as you can get
<jsgotangco> everything in linux has gcc has foundation anyway
<shai> hmmpphh, is it comfortable?
<jsgotangco> how comfortable does it have to be as a compiler?
<jsgotangco> everthing in free software has gcc as foundation
<shai> not as a compiler but as an enviorment
<akk> farruinn: How do I enable universe?
<jsgotangco> oh environment then
<kain> wonder why eclipse isn't in multiverse/devel on hoary
<jsgotangco> its your call
<jsgotangco> theres no standard environment
<shai> I know
<akk> farruinn: apt-cache search universe doesn't show anything either, here ...
<shai> but, I'm looking for a comfy enviorment whose compiler is rather standart
<jsgotangco> i swear by emacs though
<shai> although I'd sattle for the enviorment rather then for the compiler
<farruinn> akk: check the settings>repositories menu in synaptic, make sure everything is checked/enabled
<MacPlusG3> shai: things like anjuta (an IDE) combine a text editor and some functionality to manage makefiles. they all end up using GCC at the end
<farruinn> shai: I think (for gnome) anjuta is as close as it gets...
<MacPlusG3> shai: think of things like anjuta and kdevelop providing a wrapper around GCC, Make, autotools etc
<sabmoc> Im having trouble with pan :/
<shai> well, if they all have the same compiler, it deosn't really matter which enviorment I choose... right?
<akk> farruinn: Is it a known problem that none of the root items like synaptic will run from the menus?
<sabmoc> it does not download any of the messages from the server
<jsgotangco> it matters to what environment you want your app to run though
<Akira> woot! just installed hoary
<jsgotangco> if its gnome or kde
<farruinn> akk: does it ask for your password?
<farruinn> akk: (it should work)
<akk> farruinn: Yes.
<sabmoc> but gives no error messages from the command line or in the message window
<farruinn> akk: you enter your user password?
<akk> I type in the password, then nothing happens, or else, sometimes, a dialog comes up saying it failed to run, exit 1
<Akira> but how come... it was setup for a different keyboard setup than what i specified on installation
<MacPlusG3> shai: yeap, that's why you always hear different people saying <insert environment here> is good
<shai> well.. then you say anjuta is a comfy enviorment with a GCC compiler?
<MacPlusG3> shai: it's a pretty front end
<sal002> How do I set the timezone (non-graphically)?
<shai> well, than it might be what I need, I'll give it a shot, thanks
<Akira> anyone know the command to install nvidia-glx?
<delltony_> what is the name of the application to control your ip and all ? i need to add it to myself for i removed it
<farruinn> akk: try 'gksudo synaptic' from the terminal (alternatively hit alt+F2 and enter the command)
<farruinn> sal002: iirc the command is tzconfig
<farruinn> sal002: if it isn't you can always run base-config, that should allow you to set it
<akk> farruinn: It works with gksudo.
<farruinn> akk: are you using warty or hoary?
<caffinated> does anyone know a way to get audio mixing from multiple sources working?  IE: xmms and a game.
<akk> farruinn: hoary, just installed earlier today.
<akk> farruinn: from the preview release cd
<sal002> farruinn: Thanks!
<caffinated> one always seems to block the other
<farruinn> akk: ok, in that case I do remember there being a problem with gksudo.  Do an upgrade and it should be fixed.
<Absenth> night all.
<shai> thanks for your time, G'day
<farruinn> shai: enjoy =)
<akk> farruinn: okay, will do.
<farruinn> Akira: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto :-)
* akk finds universe and multiverse and enables them, yay
<Akira> farruinn: done thanks
<Akira> No wonder it wasn't working I forgot to modprobe nvidia
<Akira> duh
<delltony_> can someone please tlel me which application needs to be installed to change ip?
<sal002> Anyone else have problems with hoary and tulip ethernet driver?
<farruinn> delltony_: how was it you were changing your ip before? (and why?...)
<Tomcat23> Hope y'all don't mind if I ask some Ubuntu questions here ;)
<delltony_> always used /etc/network/interfaces
<delltony_> but there was a gui in ubuntu for it but then i moved the kde and kde doesn't have it so id like the ap that did it in a gui
<Tomcat23> I'm a new linux user, and I've only gotten gentoo instaled (with gnome and working after 2 weeks...what a learning curve...)
<farruinn> delltony_: well if you want the complete gnome desktop back you can install ubuntu-desktop, but that's likely to remove a lot of universe stuff you've installed
<hitriko> how do i install gaim, b/c it's giving me an error message... should i post the wrror message?
<Yldthing> ubuntu comes with gaim doesn't it
<Yldthing> ?
<Akira> hoary slays warty
<Tomcat23> But my next install I'm considering Ubuntu, coz it's based on Debian and from all the reviews the synapse(?) fronted for apt-get is well worth it...
<farruinn> hitriko: if it's a long message please use a pastebin website
<hitriko> no it's not
<delltony_> i don't want the complete thing back only that one portion
<hitriko> it's like a 3 line
<geneo93> yes it does
<farruinn> Tomcat23: synaptic, and actually it's a front-end to dpkg ;)
<jason> delltony_:
* delltony_ will search for what he is looking for thanks
<Yldthing> Tomcat23, synaptic
<Yldthing> and yes, it is awesome
<jason> son(+i)]  [2:#ubuntu(+cnt)]  [Act: 1,3] 
<jason> [#ubuntu] 
<delltony_> jason?
<farruinn> Tomcat23: imho using apt is a beautiful way of managing packages :)
<jason> sorry
<jason> it is network-admin
<Tomcat23> farruinn: thx. yeah. I've heard it's good. I went with Gentoo originally coz I liked that I'd be able to install and uninstall things... but found out the hard way that it's a bit too advanced for me. A fact the Gentoo forums have pointed out a few times.
<delltony_> hm not found with a search
<farruinn> Tomcat23: synaptic is very user friendly imo
<Yldthing> lol for most of the gentoo install i was going "WTF!?"  So i just went with ubuntu
<Chipzz> Tomcat23: if "uninstalling" things is high on your priority list gentoo would be the very last distribution to try IMHO
<farruinn> hrm, hitriko left.... :/
<jason> the command I have is gksudo network-admin for that tool and it is part of gnome I believe
<farruinn> delltony_: network-admin is part of the gnome-system-tools package
<farruinn> (dpkg -S file to find what package owns the file)
<sal002> will installing the ubuntu-desktop virtual package give me a basic ubuntu system?
<Tomcat23> Oh man, Installed Gentoo (total linux newbie here) and the 1st time around (with days and days of compile time) I didn't know what modules I needed, so I skipped them thinking (as the docs said) I'd get what modules autoloaded like the livecd.... but nope. When I finally had a friend tell me to try 'lsmod' it saved the day... but now I've got it running, and I like gnome, but installing anything is just too much for me, and I've spent days going ove
<knapjack> sal002: Yep
<knapjack> sal002: Did you install a minimal system or something?
<Yldthing> doesn't emerge do everything for you, Tomcat23 ?
<jason> Tomcat23: sure you learned alot though :)
<sal002> knapjack: nah..install failed
<Tomcat23> Well, After spending 3 evenings trying to figure out how to install a driver that wasn't in the blessed gentoo package... I'm ready to try somethign else
<Tomcat23> On the next box I do... leaving the gentoo one up for now
* KarlosII asks what is the best sound card to use for linux?
<farruinn> Tomcat23: I would highly recommend ubuntu.  When a friend tells me they want to try out linux I hand them an ubuntu CD =)
<jason> gentoo always seemed too far on the cutting edge when I used it
<jason> always something I needed broke
<Tomcat23> I have the unbuntu livecd... can I do the install with just it?
<Yldthing> i got bootup errors when i tried gentoo right after i installed
<Yldthing> didn't like what i saw
<jason> Tomcat23: dont think so
<farruinn> Tomcat23: unfortunately I think doing that would be more troublesome than installing gentoo :/  You'll have to get the install cd.
<akk> KarlosII: Hard to say, but cheap generic ones usually seem to work.
<Tomcat23> Yeah, Gentoo left a lot to be desired. I'm gonna research upgrading to vidalinux on the gentoo box and get ubuntu on another as soon as the main install iso comes down (thx Jason)
<Akira> God, selling a ati 9800 pro is hard
<Tomcat23> I'm hoping to get asterisk up on ubuntu.. Is it in the main package?
<jason> with a bit of tweaking im pretty happy with ubuntu at the moment
<Tomcat23> or in the .. universe package?
<jason> took a month to make friends
<farruinn> Tomcat23: universe
<Tomcat23> Ah, good.
<DJCryptic> quick question: is there a way to change the color of the window backgroup using Gnome?
<Tomcat23> I want to do a fancy answering machine with different rings (and emailed voicemails) and I know it's possible in Asterisk to do, if I get the right type of modem in the box.
<farruinn> DJCryptic: (hoary) System>Preferences>Desktop Background, select "no wallpaper", click the color button, choose color :)
<DJCryptic> not the desktop background, the individual window backgrounds... like if i open up my home folder
<Amaranth> Hey, anyone on hoary wanna test my menu editor?
<farruinn> DJCryptic: oooh, I think if you open nautilus you can change that, otherwise it's a gtk theme thing (take a look at the cool ice theme for example)
<farruinn> er, thinice*
<Tomcat23> So as a soon to be new ubuntu user, should I go with hoary for now...?
<DJCryptic> farruinn, thank you... trying now
<DJCryptic> btw... Ubuntu 5.04 Preview 2 is running godlike on my G4 iBook 933mhz
<farruinn> Tomcat23: hoary freezes one week from now, so if you experience any problems (I'm runny hoary now with hardly any problems) they'll be fixed over the ocurse of the next couple of weeks
<DJCryptic> thank you so so much :)
<jason> Tomcat23: I am using hoary because I have pretty new hardware
<Akira> I'm haveing less problems with hoary than warty...
<jason> Akira: same here
<DJCryptic> im just wishing that someone would leak airport extreme's driver source so someone can make airport extreme work in linux
<Akira> jason: Yeah, same here, however i need to upgrade from a ati9800 to a 6600 or something
<HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: haha
<tim__> I never tried warty, kind of fell into hoary and it has been great so far.
<SeeleyUSMC> I've got 2 friends here that want to try out Linux so I'm going to help them install Ubuntu Hoary on their laptops.  Only problem is, we all use Atheros wireless cards to connect to the net, so I guess I better learn how to setup MADWiFi huh?
<Akira> jason: Right now using a mx440, so linux can work well
<HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: my friend is reverse engineering them atm
<farruinn> HrdwrBoB: niiiiice :D
<DJCryptic> its annoying to have an airport extreme wired inside of the ibook... then have a linksys USB wireless B card velcro'ed to the lid of the laptop
<jason> Akira: my radion mobility 9000 works pretty good with the free drivers
<DJCryptic> HrdwrBoB, give your friend a pat on the back, it will be great when they do it :)
<farruinn> DJCryptic: tbh, if I had an apple laptop I probably wouldn't use linux on it, but I have a couple of old macs and linux breaths new life into them ;)
<HrdwrBoB> farruinn: he reversed ALAC recently but now he's got an ax, cut it open and should be extracting the data from it
<Tomcat23> Cool, that's good to hear. And I should be able to upgrade any core components through synaptic?
<Akira> jason: well thats why its a 9000
<Akira> jason: 9800 are not supported, and if you try atis drivers
<yasirf> hello
<yasirf> how to change the root password
<DJCryptic> i love linux, and i really really dislike MacOS X... so between the two... linux went on here first thing
<yasirf> what is the command
<Akira> jason: its a horrible sight, all sorts of errors and stuff, nothing works
<farruinn> yasirf: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<jason> Akira: I wont use non-free anything so ...
<Akira> jason: im totally converting once i upgrade my card, and the ati drivers are free...
<DJCryptic> i have 10.3 dualbooted so my girlfriend can borrow it sometimes... other then that... linux is great
<DJCryptic> yellowdog was kinda glitchy on here, so i tried ubuntu, and i havent found a glitch yet
<farruinn> DJCryptic: good to hear, I've never tried yellowdog, so now I won't be tempted ;)
<Akira> werid, a distro made for apples is glitchy
<akk> Why doesn't middleclick in the content area work on ubuntu's firefox?
<jason> it is saltydog
<farruinn> akk: what's it supposed to do?
<akk> Aha, because you've set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false!
<akk> It's supposed to go to that url.
<DJCryptic> Akira, i dont know why, it didnt handle well on my G3 iMac (sluggish) and glitched up all of the time on my G4 iBook.
<DJCryptic> im still primarly a PC person...
<DJCryptic> this laptop was just too good of a deal to pass up when i bought it
<Akira> DJCryptic: maybe just a werid situation or something
<Akira> DJCryptic: what kind of deal?
<DJCryptic> brand new 14" ibook 933mhz with airport card and 2 year FULL warranty for $800
<tim__> leaving
<DJCryptic> i can run the thing over with my car and they will fix it
<Akira> DJCryptic: wow nice, that american?
<DJCryptic> yep
<jason> DJCryptic: pretty fast with Ubuntu? how much ram?
<Akira> DJCryptic: oh, that is an awesome deal
<DJCryptic> using the stock 256 megs and its running GREAT
<DJCryptic> im doing software updates... downloading using firefox and have mp3s playing... no lag
<Akira> my p3 ran with 219 or something, and it ran alright
<Akira> hmm, i wish i could update
<Akira> takes too long on dialup
<DJCryptic> lol... yep
<ytripppy> this old guy i work with gave me some ubuntu cd's mailed out to him
<ytripppy> he doesnt have a PC.
<DJCryptic> im on 6mbps cable
<BrettMeister> I would appreciate some help....
<Akira> i use to download updates and such at school, but since they installed a proxy server, i cant
<Siddhartha> I'm new to linux. Should I use ext2 or ext3 for my linux partition?
<BrettMeister> I just fouled up my root login and now I can't figure out what I typed in.  Can't get to root.
<Akira> nice... fast?
<jason> ext3
<ytripppy> im wondering why i cant record sound in ubuntu
<farruinn> Siddhartha: ext3 has journalling, I'd use that
<BrettMeister> Anything short of another install?
<DJCryptic> ext3 or riser
<Siddhartha> What does that mean?
<Siddhartha> What's riser? Is it better?
<ytripppy> i know how to use the mixer.
<Akira> its a type of partition
<ytripppy> it all looks good.
<will`> reiser _is_ the best =D
<Akira> like ntfs, and fat32
<delltony_> Unpacking replacement xlibmesa-gl ...
<delltony_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-5.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
<delltony_>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
<farruinn> BrettMeister: were you setting the root password or the user password?
<delltony_> any idea ?
<ytripppy> the wizard in gnomemetting will not work
<Akira> and fatx
<DJCryptic> ah... forgot the e :)
<Siddhartha> So ntfs is to fat32 as riser is to ext2/3?
<farruinn> delltony_: remove fglrx-6-8-0 first
<DJCryptic> Siddhartha, kinda
<will`> Siddhartha: that looks about right
<Akira> kinda, but ext2/3 are not as bad as fat
<delltony_> aww so its to do witht he fact i'm running the ati driver ok
<DJCryptic> ext2 is extremely slow... expesially if you shutdown wrong
<Akira> they are better
<delltony_> well is ubuntu ever gonna fix theirs?
<Siddhartha> Well, partition magic doesn't offer riser. Should I leave some space unallocated and let the installer partition space and format it?
<jason> Siddhartha: can you upgrade from 3.6 to 4 in Ubuntu?
<DJCryptic> thats what i do :)
<Akira> O YEAH
<Akira> Fetched 3878kB in 14m42s (4395B/s)
<delltony_> the one in the repository creates a xfree86 file instead of a xorg.conf one
<Siddhartha> jason: What's 3.6 and 4? Are those versions of this riser format?
<codyman> what apt-get dev file is for "x includes" and "qt"
<jason> yeah
<DJCryptic> Siddhartha, i just leave the space unallicated... and then do it in the installer
<Siddhartha> ok. thanks.
<wjesusaxl> hey guys do you know another text editor besides jedit
<Akira> gedit
<Akira> vim
<Siddhartha> gonna run the installer now. i'll prolly be back once i get it online.
<jason> I use reiser 3.6 but would like to use 4
<Akira> emacs
<DJCryptic> lol... i use pico still :)
<farruinn> codyman: xlibs-dev will get  you x includes I believe
<Akira> there is like a billion
<Akira> same
<Akira> or nano now
<HostingGeek> Does anyone want xchat-gnome packages? (the devel doesn't want me to upload it to the reps as he belives it not ready but i say diffrent)
<DJCryptic> thats the only thing PINE is good for now is PICO
<DJCryptic> PINE is just OLD!
<codyman> thanks farruinn
<phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
<Akira> ugh, im going to get find something to do while xmms download and music copys to hdd...
<wjesusaxl> do you know why jedit doesn't work quite ok... I can get it opened
<DJCryptic> ive actually got a question with Ubuntu... why can i not SU with my root password
<codyman> anyone know whats the generic apt qt dev package file name
<DJCryptic> i noticed the same thing with ubuntu 4
* SeeleyUSMC needs to find kernel sources for hoary so he can compile it when he installs madwifi
<HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: because by default there is no root password
<HrdwrBoB> you should use sudo
<picole> hello,i wanna to know why my totem can't play the movie?
<wjesusaxl> problems with jedit
<picole> i have copy the win32codecs into /usr/lib/win32,but still can't play the rmvb or wmv ,somebody help me?
<farruinn> SeeleyUSMC: I belive you want linux-source-$(uname -r)
<ytripppy> is there anyone to reset the soundcard?
<wjesusaxl> hey picole try mplayer
<DJCryptic> HrdwrBoB, whats the syntax on that?
<phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
<HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: 'sudo command'
<HrdwrBoB> or sudo -s for shell
<wjesusaxl> su -
<helio7> Does anyone know a command or method of renaming a batch of files (say jpegs) say 050321_01.jpg, 050321.02.jpg, etc. etc.??
<phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
<geneo93> DJCryptic:  try sudo passwd root
<wjesusaxl> does anyone know how to make jedit work?
<Myrtti> good morning angels
<Myrtti> I have to try if my Citrix install really works still
<picole> hi,i have copy the win32codecs into /usr/lib/win32,but my totem still can't play the rmvb or wmv ,somebody help me?
<akk> helio7: you can do it with a for loop in your shell.
<DJCryptic> what is the best video file player for ubuntu, any suggestions?
<sic|> is there anyone who has an smb.conf file for a setup where it is a linux box on a home workgroup where the windows boxes are winxp with no logon...I just need a good example to go off of
<wjesusaxl> xine
<wjesusaxl> either that or mplayer
<helio7> all so I'd need to create a script?
<wjesusaxl> both work fine to me
<helio7> akk:  so I'd need to create a script?
<saber> Why is it that unbutu 4.10 ships with kernel 2.6.8, but you can only install 2.6.7 using apt-get?
<DJCryptic> wjesusaxl, neither are available with apt-get?
<niran> saber: the package names changed
<niran> make sure you're looking for the right one
<akk> helio7: You can just type a for loop into the cmdline.
<akk> helio7: I'm more familiar with tcsh than bash; in tcsh you'd say something like
<geneo93> saber:  maybe you dont have repositories enabled
<phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth? I could use some help
<saber> niran: apt-get install kernel-source        <- returns a list of "aliases" ... the lastest "ubuntu" kernel is not listed
<akk> helio7: foreach f (*.jpg)\n mv $f $f.new\n end
<phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth? I could use some help
<akk> helio7: (\n is a newline)
<Darkone238> Maybe someone can help me. I am trying to set up a samba share and when I try to log in from my windows computer, it gives me an error regarding "Access denied. Multiple users aren't allowed" something along those lines. anyone encountered this that can help?
<saber> geneo: i've made changed to /etc/apt/sources.list, and ran apt-get update
<akk> helio7: you didn't say how you wanted them renamed -- that would move foo.jpg to foo.jpg.new which I'm sure isn't quite what you want)
<saber> What's the correct new name?
<HostingGeek> when is grumpy merge going to start? (not talking about bendy or pengiun)
<niran> saber: kernel-source isn't the right package. i think it's linux-source
<HrdwrBoB> akk: I use ; instead of \n
<helio7> akk: cool I don't even know what tcsh is (= i wanted them renamed with the date, then a 3 digit serial # then .jpg (= does ubuntu have tcsh by default?
<farruinn> HostingGeek: I think they've changed it to "breezy badger"
<geneo93> saber:  have you looked at synaotic and seen whats enabled there
<saber> OH, ok.
<saber> I have no idea what synaotic is, geneo
<Darkone238> synaptic
<saber> aha... perfect niran: it is linux-source
<akk> helio7: In bash I think it's: for f in *.jpg; do, then at the end done instead of end
<HostingGeek> fabbione: or something pengiun now (they rererererererererenamed the wikipage again)
<farruinn> HostingGeek: jdub announced a mascot competition a litle while ago
<geneo93> saber:  uts the gui frontend to apt
<fabbione> HostingGeek ?????
<geneo93> ah gee i should give up for the day
<HostingGeek> * farruinn
<Akira> ubuntu mascot?
<HostingGeek> there to many people in this channel
<HostingGeek> Akira: at least its nothing offence like 3 naked people
<akk> helio7: If they don't have that serial number now, and you need the shell to count up for you, it's a little more complicated.
<Akira> HostingGeek: awwwwwwww
<wjesusaxl> help me out guys with jedit
<HostingGeek> wjesusaxl: gedit
<farruinn> wjesusaxl: what exaclty is the problem?
<ian> it seems that ubuntu defaults to 24 bit color.  just FYI, I changed to 16 bit and GDK drawing is significantly faster
<wjesusaxl> I can't get it to work
<HostingGeek> wjesusaxl: so use gedit
<wjesusaxl> ok
<Amaranth> ian: It takes less work to handle 16 bits than it does to handle 24 bits, of course it'll go faster.
<helio7> akk: hmm thanks for the info; I wonder if there's a utility more within my ability to do it for me (=
<farruinn> Mascot competition info: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
<wjesusaxl> jedit looked nicer...
<wjesusaxl> :p
<ian> Amaranth: sometimes 32 bit is faster than 24 bit, so you can't always apply the "obvious" rule-- but my point was just that 24 bit need not be the default and/or people in here might want to consider changing it :)
<geneo93> ian:  change to two bits
<Amaranth> ian: iirc the math for handling 24-bit is odd
<helio7> akk currently they're "img_4277" and such you think i could replace the "img" part with the date?
<ian> Amaranth: yeah it's 3 bytes which computers don't like :)
<Amaranth> ian: so 16 and 32 would be faster, but 24 gives more detail then 16 so most people will want it
<ian> does it?  I don't see any difference
<ian> maybe in the gimp or something
<deFrysk> ian, believe me there is
<akk> helio7: Yes, that's not too hard.
<Amaranth> ian: It has to, it's 24 bits of color data vs 16 bits of color data.
<madstop> ian or Amaranth, for a newbie: just how does one change color depth?  I can't find any settings for it.  I'd like 32 bit.
<ian> Amaranth: no, it doesn't have to.  a 16 bit image won't look better on a 24 bit screen
<Amaranth> madstop: iirc if it can X will use 32-bit when you set it to 24
<deFrysk> fedora would say millions of coluers vs thousands of colours
<wjesusaxl> thanks guys
<geneo93> ian:  i you had a 25 inch monitor you would
<Amaranth> ian: No, but a 24-bit image will look better.
<argonaught> i have a question, have ubuntu support for i810 video?
<ian> geneo93: what does color depth have to do with resolution / dpi ?
<JDahl> argonaught, yes
<graben> greetings everyone
<madstop> sorry Amaranth, I don't understand "iirc"
<Amaranth> madstop: if i remember correctly
<geneo93> yes
<Siddhartha> I am networking to my Toshiba PCX1100U cable modem through USB. http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/support/downloads.html says USB networking with the modem isn't supported under linux. Is their a third party USB driver that works for this modem?
<madstop> ah! thanks Amaranth.
<ian> madstop: you can change it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- I don't know of a GUI way (?)
<HappyPills> Anyone tried moving ReiserFS partitions before? what did you use?
<graben> Quick question, does ubuntu have Japanese input support, and if so with one? ie scim, wnn, etc
<Amaranth> Siddhartha: All I know about USB networking is that I was told to avoid it at all costs. I'm guessing this is something that isn't really there yet as far as linux driver support goes.
<ian> madstop: DefaultDepth    24         just change to 16 (there may be a GUI way to do this?)
<madstop> Can't understand why color depth settings aren't included in the same dialogs as resolution.
<Amaranth> Siddhartha: Try searching google.
<ian> madstop: neither can I!
<Siddhartha> I will. Thanks anyway.
<akk> helio7: for f in img_*; do mv $f `echo $f | sed 's/img_/0321_/'`; done
<deFrysk> ian, alwayse use dpkg-recofigure
<Amaranth> ian, madstop: I don't think you can change color depth without restarting X.
<deFrysk> reconfigure
<akk> helio7: Try that in a scratch directory first (copy all the images somewhere safe), don't blindly trust me on that. :-)
<geneo93> in kde i think it is
<bored2k> Amaranth I added an Entry with the past version, and it will not show on the latest one you posted .
<madstop> btw, photos look fine on my display -- laptop widescreen, but the default gradiated wallpapers look horrible, even when not stretched--
<madstop> very patchy
<Amaranth> bored2k: Can you PM me the contents of the .desktop file?
<helio7> akk: thanks so much eh? very helpful
<madstop> any ideas about why?
<ian> Amaranth: hopefully in the near future...
<Amaranth> bored2k: Can you PM me the contents of the .desktop file?
<Amaranth> err
<Amaranth> bored2k: Oh, if you tried to PM me already you'll have to do it again.
<madstop> heh, probably just need to check around for wallpapers meant for this resolution,,, Thanks for the info, ian, Amaranth
<ian> Amaranth: an idea I'd like to throw out there-- the screen resolution preferences could have depth setting and update the x config file, but tell the user he needs to restart X (or just "reboot")
<sianis> good morning ey
* madstop seconds that emotion, and tries not to harrumph about how trivial this is in windows...
<hams> what are the 'apt' commands to update after an ubuntu install?
<sianis> apt-get update
<sianis> this command is update the list
<ian> madstop: you put up with a few things in Linux... :)  but then, same goes for Windows, eh?
<farruinn> ian: really kernel upgrades are the only things that require reboots, it would be better to just restart the X server
<ian> farruinn: I agree.  How does a non-technical user do that?
<geneo93> hams:  you need to enable all the repositories first
<sianis> hams: start the synaptic, press update and install all application what you need
<farruinn> ian: these are good ideas, all things that need to be addressed for Linux to be a robust desktop os
<ian> "just switch to a console and type 'sudo killlall -HUP gdm'" ? :)
<sianis> /etc/apt/sources.list
<farruinn> ian: well in ubuntu it's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ;)
<ian> farruinn: forgive me, I'm a slackware convert :)
<sianis> delete all # front of the addresses
<farruinn> ian: heheh, of course :) but seriously you might consider submitting a feature request to gnome
<ian> farruinn: what I'd really love is if X would come out of the stone ages :)
<helio7> akk: it worked beautifully, on a test batch, I will save it, study it, memorize it!  Thanks for saving me hours of googling; I am most appreciative
<ian> farruinn: I'm hoping Novell, RedHat or Canonical will work some magic
<ian> farruinn: happen to know if KDE has an option for color depth?
<farruinn> I haven't used kde in the longest time...
<akk> helio7: Great!  Glad it worked.
<madstop> ian, while you're at it (go get 'em man! We non (yet) *nixers need you) try to get boot managers and log-in managers to be less of a pain as well...  :-)
<geneo93> farruinn:  you should try 3.4 it is nice
<ian> madstop: how so?
<stazz> is kde available for ubuntu?
<madstop> thing is, from my perspective, it's ironic that hackers who one presumes love a command line, would create guis that require so much damn click clicking
<ian> stazz: see topic.
<madstop> going hither and yon, this menu or that, configure here, configure there.  Stuff needs to be consolidated.
<geneo93> ian:  auto login
<bored2k> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<stazz> ian: which part of it?
<ian> stazz: "kubuntu"
<madstop> pardon my rant, ian
<stazz> aahh.
<stazz> which version is on it?
<sianis> what is the kubuntu desktop?
<ian> madstop: I'm not sure what you mean-- have it all in one big "control center" ?
<geneo93> stazz #kubuntu
<sianis> is it a KDE?
<madstop> ubuntu (and especially "kubuntu") have gone 80 percent of the way there...
<pablo928> stazz : I believe it's KDE 3.6?
<ian> does gnome have a special nautilus location that shows all config apps?
<stazz> pablo928: such thing doesn't exist :)
<ian> the KDE control center is insane
<Siddhartha> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=912 has a check mark for Toshiba PCX1100U's status with CDCEther through usb. What does mean about getting the modem to work through usb on ubuntu? How would it be done?
<madstop> Nope, ian, just sensible associations of things-- like we said, color depth and resolution together, for example.
<geneo93> ian:  have you ever seen mandrake control center
<madstop> Less confusing menus.
<stazz> geneo93: always write your own configs
<hams> what is apt-get upgrade ? does it upgrade all your packages?
<HrdwrBoB> hams: yes
<HrdwrBoB> dist-upgrade is prefereable
<HrdwrBoB> it intelligently upgrades your packages
<ian> madstop: KDE has a sensible control center? :)
<madstop> log-in screens that concentrate more on information and quickly made choices by the user than on prettiness.
<geneo93> stazz:  yes
<ian> doesn't KDE's control center have a search box?
<hams> how do i check if i have a particular package installed?
<HappyPills>  oooh, if I install winXP to /dev/hda2 how borked do you think it'l make /dev/hda1? (where Ubuntu is installed)
<madstop> kubuntu's settings interfaces aren't bad at all
<madstop> for linux land
<stazz> HappyPills: it will break your mbr
<pablo928> stazz : I  was just on the Canonical site, they say which version of KDE it is.
<HappyPills> stazz, is that all?
<madstop> but, xfce4 -- great
<stazz> HappyPills: mostly, yes. that means that you can't boot to linux afterwards
<HappyPills> because if that is all I can just throw in the Ubuntu cd and restore my mbr
<geneo93> ian:  yes
<HappyPills> FOllowing the steps in the unnofficial guide
<madstop> and grub is a pain in the ass.  End of rant!
<ian> geneo93: you think this is usable?  http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.1/fullsize/94.png
* madstop thanks everyone for their indulgence and goes to pour himself a beer and count his blessings.  
<ian> if so, we have different ideas of what most people want in a computer :)
<geneo93> madstop:  i prefer lilo myself
<madstop> geneo93, i was afraid you'd say that...
<madstop> ;-)
<geneo93> ian:  for what
<ian> geneo93: for 99% of the world
<damripp> whats the command to add more modes to my ubuntu's resoulutions?
<geneo93> well you know most of the ppl coming over to linux are going to have trouble so its needs to be real simple and not days of reading
<HappyPills> damripp, don't you have to edit the xf86config file in /etc/X11/?
<damripp> i thought there was a wizard type command.
<ian> geneo93: I agree.  I think that's an argument against that beast of a KDE control center :)
<HappyPills> I don't know Ubuntu well enough to know about any wizard
<deFrysk> damripp, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
<HappyPills> if you do meet one than hit him for me though
<deFrysk> damripp, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
* HappyPills hits dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<deFrysk> damripp, make sure you know what you are doing
<geneo93> ian:  at least its more than gnome has
<ian> geneo93: think so?  I don't
<damripp> yeah, ive fuxed this before
<ian> geneo93: I mean, sure, it's MORE.  Lots MORE.  and that's worse! :)
<geneo93> and in kde you can right click screen to do most things like screen size and so on
<ian> geneo93: having it all in one place is good, but KDE has some real trouble with preferences-overload.  I was talking to the KDE guys at LinuxWorldExpo about it (and they agree).  But it's going to be a serious problem for them to "fix", since so many KDE users are "hardcore" and like it that way
<madstop> ian, if you want to hand out awards for horrible, beastly control centers, give it to gconfig, not kde
<geneo93> its much more windows user style
<ian> madstop: gconfig is not for novice users
<madstop> kde can be pretty much learned by using.
<madstop> which is to say, ian, that gnome is not for users.
<madstop> I mean, I don't know how else to alter anything in there.
<geneo93> ian:  thats the problem thats whats coming
<madstop> I do wish people would try not to succumb to the notion that "more windows user style" is only alternative to most linux guis
<madstop> Many of my issues with these guis is they're alreay to damn windows like.
<billytwowilly> heh. my desktop looks nothing like windows.
<madstop> "too damn"
<ian> madstop: if you think KDE is easier to learn, why do you think gnome is favored by big companies in their rollouts?
<billytwowilly> http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot4.png Boo shacka;)
<madstop> Neither does mine, though if I say it's kde, people will assume, "oh, because it's like windows"
<sic|> anyone know off the top of there head why the windows boxes on my network can browes my ubuntu file server, but the file server cannot browse the windows shares...its sees them but can't open them
<deFrysk> gnome is easyest to work with
<pablo928> madstop: It's just that most new Linux users are migrating from windows.
<billytwowilly> ian: because gnome is standard on redhat.
<ian> billytwowilly: it's favored by big companies because it's the standard on redhat?
<ian> billytwowilly: redhat is a big company.  why is it the standard on redhat?
<madstop> ian, one thing I know for sure, what I look for in a desktop computer is not predicated by "big companies in their rollouts"
<hams> with useradd, what do you specify so the user can't login?
<madstop> gnome is fine if you've got staff to do a mass install and configuration, for a user who wants to personalize, but isn't technically expert- that's where you have problems with gnome
<mass> madstop: a mass install?
<deFrysk> madstop, ???
<madstop> pablo928, there's a reason we're migrating from windows!
<geneo91> i mean kiss
<billytwowilly> ian: because redhat has always supported gnome. They wanted an alternative to kde, which, at the time was using QT, which wasn't gpl'd.
<mass> madstop: I agree.. mac os x on the other hand is very good for user maintenance of machines, but not so good for mass installs
<madstop> hell, before kubuntu, I couldn't stand kde.  Canonical is on the right track.
<mass> there isn't a package file database or anything like that
* hap0 is having serious show stopping issues with ubuntu
<ian> is kubuntu coming out of canonical or a community project?
<pablo928> madstop: Yes, but I have to admit that Gnome had me scratching my head in the beginning (and still) but I've only been using it less than a month.
<billytwowilly> community I believe.
<ian> billytwowilly: I think so, too
<hap0> My laptop spontaniously shut off after about 30 seconds into KDE.
<hap0> Where do you report bugs?
<Echylo> hmm, to install kubuntu, it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
<ian> madstop: I'd be happy to listen to other issues you've had with gnome configuration
<crimsun> Echylo: yes
<Echylo> 'key
<geneo91> well i try to avoid gnome
<ian> geneo91: is it hard to do? :)
<Echylo> what is so wrong about it?
<deFrysk> we have a #kubuntu for kde peaople
<morgala> hey guys... how hungury is ubuntu for system resources...
<ian> yeah I'm wondering why people who "try to avoid gnome" are in #ubuntu :)
<deFrysk> so kde folks , go to #kubuntu
<deFrysk> ian, agree
<hap0> That's interesting, I thought there wasn't supposed to be a seperation of the community?
<madstop> well, ian, heh heh-- believe me, I'm still talking too much out of ignorance-- so don't get me started!
<geneo91> its old time stuff
<hap0> If you have a kubuntu for KDE folks, then why don't you have a gubuntu for GNOME folks?
<bob2> because Ubuntu itself uses GNOME
<Echylo> cause gnome is the default?
<deFrysk> hams, ubuntu is originaly for gnome folks
<madstop> it's hard for me to be fair, because these systems are such mixes -- I'm never sure whether I have an issue with gnome per se,
<deFrysk> hap0 I mean
<ian> and "gubuntu" sounds silly :)
<Echylo> lel
<ian> (much like kubuntu)
<madstop> or with metacity, or with nautilus, or with
<akk> Surely gnome isn't the only reason to use ubuntu?
<madstop> stuff that's just intrinsic to linux
<deFrysk> ian, and kubuntu = SILLY
<akk> If it is, tell me know and I'll go look for some other distro.
<geneo91> i mean kde you want to move a file its a matter of right click and wala its done
<bob2> akk: of course not
<hap0> OK so because it was "first". But I've read fairly extensively that Ubuntu is THE project, and GNOME and KDE are just options.
<bob2> hap0: where?
<ian> madstop: metacity and nautilus are gnome.  I'll filter, don't worry!  seriously, message me with your thoughts :)
<madstop> but really, kubuntu, from what I've seen, would have made for a much better new user experience with ubuntu than gnome
<downsideup> hello all
<deFrysk> madstop, would it ?
<bob2> madstop: e.g.?
<hap0> In the discussion following the press release
<Echylo> I used kde before gnome, but I love to use gnome now
<downsideup> I'm new to irc and have a question
<Echylo> shoot downsideup
<ian> Echylo: how technical would you say you are?
<Echylo> not
<[FiDO] > does anyone know why the latest python packages aren't available on synaptic
<deFrysk> most kde users eventually revert to gnome
<geneo91> yes i agree
<Echylo> I'm a normal user
<deFrysk> revert = convert
<ian> Echylo: what's your profession, if you don't mind me asking?
<Echylo> student ;)
<madstop> deFrysk, I should specify -- "new user" meaning, new (or returning after failed attempts) at linux, not just new to ubuntu
<deFrysk> ;p
<[FiDO] > I'm trying to install the latest version of gdesklet and the dependencies I need aren't there
<ian> Echylo: major? :)
<bob2> [FiDO] : e.g.?
<Echylo> yes I'm 17
<madstop> or even "new to computers"
<Echylo> I don't use my computer for networks etc
<deFrysk> madstop, gnome is very easy to use and install
<Echylo> so I'm not that advanced :)
<geneo91> hell most windows users dont even know what they are
<akk> I know lots of kde users, some very technical, who haven't reverted.
<bob2> [FiDO] : where did you get that gdesklets .deb from?
<ian> Echylo: right on.  welcome!
<ian> Echylo: how long on linux?
<[FiDO] > I'm compiling it from source
<Echylo> well pretty long story
<[FiDO] > since the ubuntu package wasn't working correctly
<Echylo> so let's say in total 6 months
<bob2> [FiDO] : did you file a bug so it can be fixed?
<geneo91> 90% of windows users never read any docs
<deFrysk> and kde people dont forget!!! /j #kubuntu
<madstop> it's easy to install, deFrysk, with ubuntu, ubuntu's installer is amazing.  It's easy to use.  It's not easy to personalize.
<Echylo> and a couple of weeks on ubuntu
<Echylo> I think
<Echylo> time goes by
<geneo91> thats last resort
<ian> Echylo: how do you like ubuntu?
<deFrysk> madstop, its dead eazy to persnalize
<[FiDO] > I'm not sure if it is a bug or a problem with my sensor packages
<madstop> anything you say deFrysk.
<downsideup> why do I have no sound in Ubuntu? What should i look for?
<Echylo> I used mandrake before it, and red hat, and ubuntu is the best experience until now
<[FiDO] > for whatever reason it wasn't displaying correctly
<ian> madstop: no need for attitude.. :)
<bob2> anyway, gnome vs kde is off-topic
<[FiDO] > barely any of the desklets would work
<bob2> [FiDO] : then please tell someone so it can be fixed
<[FiDO] > will do
<bored2k> Amaranth: pm-ing you
<hap0> My question is not KDE related anyway, and another thing, I wasn't under the impression this channel was supposed to be window manager specific.
<madstop> ian, it's almost 2:30 in the morning, I'd be happy to talk at you more about this if you're on another time, and I do thank you for your patience with a newbie's issues
<Echylo> ian, why are you questionning(is this even a word) me ?
<geneo91> but its not user freindly
<hap0> What are we going to do for folks who want to run fluxbox or windowmaker?
<bob2> hap0: they're welcome in here
<[FiDO] > what do you do in a case where packages you want aren't available ... if you compile from source the package manager won't be able to update them but if the packages are need they are needed
<Echylo> #ubuntu.whatsleft
<Echylo> ;)
<bob2> hap0: but need to be aware that it's not supported software, for whatever that means
<hap0> Just not KDE folks?
<ian> Echylo: just curious who is coming to linux/gnome and why.  hope I'm not making you paranoid ;)
<geneo91> nope
<bob2> hap0: they're welcome in here, too
<[FiDO] > is there somewhere you can request the packages be added to the repositories
<bob2> but this is primarily an ubuntu channel
<bob2> [FiDO] : wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
<Echylo> ian, no no :) I was using XP first, but I was getting bored with it, so I tried linux again, and so It will stay I guess
<[FiDO] > I don't really want to install from source unless I absolutely have to
<[FiDO] > I'll check that out thanks
<farruinn> hap0: the issue isn't using kde, flux, etc, this channel simply isn't the place to argue which is "the best"
<Echylo> but I don't follow the crowd like, "haate m$"
<hap0> Thanks. Cuz the way I start is with Ubuntu. I don't think of the window manager. I think of the OS.
<geneo91> Echylo:  all the things wrong with xp and your bored
<geneo91> hehe
<ian> geneo91: yeah it seems pretty entertaining every time I use someone else's XP computer :)
<landon> hi guys
<deFrysk> Echylo, I do dislike m$ without following krauts
<deFrysk> ;p
<landon> how do I go about getting dri on my nvidia card?
<Echylo> :D
<ian> geneo91: it's all "CRITICAL UPDATES!!!!!!" and shaking web ads
<geneo91> Echylo:  i haven't used windows for 6 years
<hap0> farruinn: Thanks, then I can count on feeling welcom to stay and ask questions about why my laptop seems to shutdown spontaniously.
<Echylo> :-)
<madstop> (bob2 -- why is gnome/kde off topic?  those are the two packaged defaults now.  Making "kubuntu" cd images was the second smartest things ubuntu developers did! ;-)  g'night everyone
<zenrox> landon,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
<Echylo> I sometimes use it on school
<bob2> lord
<Echylo> then it's like
<landon> k
<Echylo> I miss some things :p
<geneo91> patch upon patch is all it is
<ian> I don't think madstop understands that kubuntu is not official
<Echylo> but I love to learn new things(except school then :&) and linux is the place to do that no?
<geneo91> i dont miss the viruses and trogemns
<Echylo> well that's one big reason
<Echylo> the viruses
<Echylo> and spyware & stuff
<hap0> I'm glad to read that kubuntu is not official.
<ian> Echylo: absolutely.  and to get a nice high paying job in a few years :)
<Echylo> :)
<bob2> ian: how is it not official?
<Echylo> ian: :)
<bob2> KDE stuff is in the supported section now
<geneo91> hell 30 bucks a years for protection
<ian> bob2: I think it's a community project, no?
<farruinn> it's in main though
<bob2> it's getting security support, archive space, etc
<geneo91> depends how things go i think
<wdh> ian, isnt ubuntu a  community project as well? :P
<hap0> Archive search turns up nothing about laptops shutting off...
<farruinn> wdh: with the support of one filthy rich man ;)
<ian> are paid Canonical employees working on it?
<wdh> farruinn, thats a detail :P
<geneo91> farruinn:  you get paid
<wdh> ian, thats irrelevant..
<hap0> I propose new naming conventions for iso's should state ubuntu-gnome/kde respectively.
<wdh> ian, as long as they are part of the community :)
<bob2> hap0: why do you care so much?
<ian> wdh: not if you define "official" as "from the company that created and funds ubuntu", then it's quite relevant :)
<geneo91> money talks bs walks
<wingsline> hello everyone...
<wdh> well.. afaik, everything in 'main' is supported.. and kubuntu is just there :)
<ian> what do you mean 'supported' ?
<ian> like free tech support?
<hap0> Well I just found it kind of sad to be invited to go elsewhere because of my choice of that one WM. None of the other WM's are singled to use a seperate channel.
<bob2> ian: it gets security fixes, bug fixes, etc, like gnome does in ubuntu
<wdh> well.. 18 months of securityupdates after first release at least..
<geneo91> so it is then
* ian shrugs
<wdh> ian: just as much support as you would get for gnome :)
<ian> "This is a volunteer driven effort..."
<wdh> ok.. so lets get to work :)
<copilot> any good how-to's for setting up an ftp server on ubuntu?
<wdh> copilot, its really quite simple..
<geneo91> the only reason i here is to see M$ crushed like they did so many small companys
<adscadsa> ok
<wdh> proftpd does the job.. you could install that..
<adscadsa> I need some support
<adscadsa> I cant get x working
<hap0> I'm "working" to submit a bug right now.
<adscadsa> cause I have a 6600GT
<geneo91> BeOS for one
<wingsline> copilot, install proftpd, and you can manage it simple with webmin
<wdh> copilot, but you might wanna consider a safer alternative like SFTP or SCP
<farruinn> hap0: is the bug specific to fluxbox?
<oggah> hello, is there anybody who can help me. I've typed the ./configure for the dclib-0.3.7.tar.bz2. It is now unpacked in the opt/ folder.
<bob2> adscadsa: does hoary work?
<farruinn> hap0: you're getting random reboots?
<copilot> I was steered toward vsftpd, but haven't been able to log in from anywhere else.
<adscadsa> nah im running warty
<wdh> wingsline, webmin sucks.. proftpd is really quite easy to configure in its config file..
<ian> geneo91: BeOS was great!
<copilot> I can log in using user:pass@localhost
<adscadsa> I dont know what to do
<wdh> so why use a frontend that is bound to change sooner or later?
<hap0> farruinn: Yes I'm getting random reboots, even before the WM loads sometimes.
<bob2> adscadsa: try hoary
<adscadsa> Im tring to get the new package
<oggah> is there any guide to install dclib on Ubuntu? Please help me.
<wingsline> adscadsa, yeah I know, but for a beginner it is easier and faster
<adscadsa> mm now I have to redownload it
<bob2> oggah: it's best to just ask your question and wait, instead of begging people
<farruinn> hap0: that doesn't sound like a fluxbox problem then... (maybe I'm missing the point)
<copilot> I don't need a gui, i'm familiar with text based config files
<bob2> oggah: you'd want to explain what dclib is, and then paste the whole error from ./configure to #flood
<hap0> farruinn: Actually I think it just shuts off, and I initiate the reboot by hand.
<adscadsa> IM just looking for a  apt-get fix
<bob2> adscadsa: I doubt there is one
<geneo91> ian:  i still have R503 on this box
<adscadsa> is there anyway to upgrade from warty to hoary
<bob2> adscadsa: sure
<jsgotangco> yes
<jsgotangco> change your sources
<adscadsa> kk
<ian> geneo91: been following the open beos stuff?
<farruinn> hap0: in that case your /var/log/syslog will be helpful I think
<geneo91> and dano
<hap0> farruinn: ??? The point is that spontaneously powering off is a "bad thing".
<jsgotangco> you can change your repositories from synaptic
<adscadsa> I dont have x
<bob2> hap0: does it happen with ubuntu?
<adscadsa> so can I just edit the file
<jsgotangco> then just edit your /etc/sources.list
<hap0> I'd love to check my syslog if the laptop would stay running long enough.
<jsgotangco> then apt-get dist-upgrade
<zenrox> adscadsa, like this tho sudo pico /etc/sources.list
<hap0> bob2: Yes.
<adscadsa> yeah will ti install the new drivers
<geneo91> ian:  do you know about haiku (open BeOS)
<zenrox> jsgotangco, sudo apt-get update first then dist-upgrade\
<Roey> hi
<bob2> hap0: do the fans run?
<jsgotangco> yes
<jsgotangco> i forgot the update
<Roey> according to this, grub won't install to raid1 partition:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-15605.html
<ian> geneo91: yes-- that's what I was asking you about.  didn't know the new name
<Roey> I have /, /boot and /home just like in this post http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-15605.html
<bob2> Roey: *software* raid, important difference
<Roey> bob2:  I use sw raid.
<Echylo> hmm how to choose a directory in proftpdconf ?
<Roey> bob2:  and to be honest, grub is giving me the biggest freaking headache
<hap0> bob2: The fans run just fine before the power shuts off.
<Echylo> or how to add one
<Roey> bob2:  I tried an initrd
<Roey> bob2:  I tried compiling kernel with builin raid and xfs
<geneo91> haiku news .org
<Roey> bob2:  nothing works, it keeps giving me errors.
<aljosa> i can't compile slmodem driver (slamr) on 2.6.10 (kubuntu), any ideas?
<bob2> Roey: yes, I don't know if that's supported or not
<bob2> if it is, I suspect it will involve magic
<ian> hap0: does it power off, sleep, hibernate?
<Mestapheles> exit
<hap0> ian: The power shuts down instantly, completely, abnormal end.
<hams> in ubuntu, what is the equivalent of chkconfig ?
<Roey> bob2:  unfortunately for me the Zen of Debian/Grub Voodoo is not high on my priorities ;)
<Roey> bob2:  thanks though
<bob2> hams: update-rc.d or so
<Roey> bob2:  I will switch to lilo and be done with this.
<bob2> Roey: you could just install lilo
<Roey> that's what I'll do
<hap0> hams: Try apt-get install chkconfig :)
<Roey> bob2:  I had wanted to try my hand at grub :(
<Roey> bob2:  do I have to do anything special to get rid of grub, or can I just install lilo over it?
<Roey> bob2:  (to the mbr I mean)
<bob2> just install it
<geneo91> all i did
<Roey> bob2:  can make-kpkg work with lilo instead of grub?
<bob2> Roey: sure
<Roey> bob2:  so if I have lilo installed, dpkg -i will automatically detect it and install the kernel accordingly? nice, nice
<wingsline> does anyone know a good clipboard manager for gnome?
<aljosa> anybody with softmodem here and using kubuntu hoary?
<adscadsa> for dammit
<adscadsa> when does it every tell you have to update apt-get after chnaging sources
<adscadsa> *ever
<bob2> Roey: it's not dpkg, but the kernel-image scripts
<bob2> you might need to rerun lilo after installing new images, I forget
<adscadsa> mm one more question how do I reinstall the windows to the MBR
<geneo91> na he dont it uses the newest kernel
<adscadsa> thanks bob2
<adscadsa> for your previous answers
<Echylo> it's world water day!!!!!
<geneo91> you dont need windows
<adscadsa> oh I get it now
<geneo91> just ubuntu
<adscadsa> with that image
<adscadsa> I play games so no
<adscadsa> I do need windows
<CoNnEcTeD> anyone else ever experience this....in my browser if i type in www.etcetc.com as oppose to without it... in mozilla it loads quicker...without the www. it takes forever and a day to load the page in tryin to view??
<geneo91> na you dont
<adscadsa> get break into MS and steal the directx source and make a distro with it incorporated in it
<Echylo> how to reconfigure a package?
<adscadsa> and I will love you
<bob2> Echylo: there's no general way
<Echylo> hmm
<Echylo> I thought there was command
<bob2> Echylo: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure blah" might do what you want
<Echylo> yes ;)
<Echylo> that one
<Echylo> thank you
<geneo91> to mant things wrong with directx
<Echylo> hmm I installed proftpd and webmin but I can't retrieve proftpd in webmin :|
<adscadsa> hey whats a easy way of finding what kernel you are using
<hams> what package do i install for compiler tools again?
<Echylo> adscadsa uname -a
<adscadsa> kk thanks
<Echylo> "uname -a" in a terminal :p :)
<geneo91> uname -r
<Echylo> a!
<Echylo> ok
<Echylo> -r just gives the kernel
<Echylo> -a gives it all :p
<Echylo> now, why doesn't webmin recognizes my proftpd server??
<geneo91> he wanted the kernel
<bob2> hams: build-essential
<Echylo> yeh
<geneo91> you jusr wanted him to see all the neat stuff
<geneo91> s/jusr/just
<pablo928> uname -a in terminal gives me command not found.
<geneo91> your not in linux then
<pablo928> Hoary] 
<pablo928> that's linux right?
<geneo91> yes it should work if you rebooted when you updated things
<pablo928> No, sorry, this box is still on warty.
<pablo928> geneo91:I haven't updated this one yet
<geneo91> try sudo uname -r
<pablo928> that's what i did.
<pablo928> think I need to reboot?
<geneo91> oh well you dont need the sudo
<geneo91> i have warty here
<geneo91> 2.6.8.1-3-386
<saber> heh.. i thought ubuntu did not have a root user... it turns out that it does
<pablo928> I'll try after I reboot.
<saber> sudo passwd <- lets you change the root passwd, and then you can login
<bob2> er, of course
<bob2> it just has no password
<saber> i thought it was completely taken out
<geneo91> yes dont be messing around in root or you'll be starting all over
<bob2> you can't just take it out
<[FiDO] > I'm having a package naming problem ... ubuntu names the packages differently then the source package I'm trying to compile so it doesn't recognize the dependencies is there some way to fix this
<bob2> [FiDO] : no, source code does not care about package names
<saber> i've been using linux for a while, i think i'll be ok geneo :)
<geneo91> saber:  dont sound that way to me
<saber> bob: i thought ubuntu built some kind of abstraction layer
<[FiDO] > ubuntu calls it python-gtk where the source I'm trying to compile calls it pygtk
<[FiDO] > so there is no way I can install it using the ubuntu python packages??
<bob2> eh?
<bob2> the python module is called pygtk
<geneo91> [FiDO] : it is pygtk
<[FiDO] > when I try to compile it says something about a PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
<geneo91> i have ptchat app here running with it
<[FiDO] > it is looking for pygtk but with ubuntu its named python-gtk
<bob2> then the program is broken
<geneo91> maybe you dont have pygtk installed
<SadHatter> Okay. I'm gonna sound really stupid. But, well, how do I login as root so I have administrative priveleges so I can install some drivers?
<geneo91> SadHatter:  sudo
<Akira> open a root terminal, or use sudo
<[FiDO] > pygtk doesn't show up with aptget
<DarthFrog> SadHatter: sudo -s
<bob2> [FiDO] : blah
<bob2> [FiDO] : it's in the python-gtk package
<bob2> [FiDO] : the module is called pygtk
<SadHatter> When I installed Ubuntu, it never asked me for a root password. Is there a default one?
<[FiDO] > ahh I understand lol
<bob2> SadHatter: no
<DarthFrog> SadHatter: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
<bob2> SadHatter: please read the FAQ
<geneo91> yup
<SadHatter> Ok. sorry. I'll go read it.
<[FiDO] > so something must be wrong with the gdesklet source I downloaded
<bob2> SadHatter: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<geneo91> SadHatter:  you can create one sudo passwd root
<geneo91> [FiDO] :  can you export path then try
<wingsline> bye everyone, have a nice evening..:)
<geneo91> or edit makefile
<SadHatter> The installation instructions for the NVidia driver tell me I need to shutdown X. How do I boot ubuntu to just the console then, no X? Is that what I'm supposed to do?
<dead|shell> whats the best way to get system info from the livecd im using a 64 bit system
<dead|shell> SadHatter, try cntrl alt f1
<Akira> Sadhatter: try ctrl alt F1
<Akira> beat me to it
<dead|shell> just to get a shell out of x
<_4strO> and then kill x and gdm
<MHaggag> Hi all, a quickie question: How can I change the gnome GUI language from arabic to english?
<geneo91> SadHatter:  ctl alt backspace
<Tomcat23> Ah, So if what I'm reading from the link Darthfrog just posted, the Root user isn't gone from Ubuntu, it's just that it's recommended that one use sudo for everything...
<bob2> SadHatter: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
<DarthFrog> Tomcat23: Right.
<_4strO> MHaggag> on the logon screen
<bob2> ignore broken howtos that tell you to shut down
<geneo91> MHaggag:  there should be aphlet in gnome pannel that will let you switch
<DarthFrog> Tomcat23: If you're an experienced Linux user, there's no real reason not to enable the root account.
<MHaggag> _4strO: It's there? I know I sound retarded, but I really couldn't make any of the text out! I want to change this because it displayed arabic incorrectly (each character written separately, while arabic characters in general are joint together)
<geneo91> or you can add one
<MHaggag> Well, I currently want to switch to english to be able to read stuff...currently I can nearly read nothing
<bob2> DarthFrog: and no reason to do so, either
<Tomcat23> DarthFrog: very much not an experienced user, so I've just been lurking in here reading. About an hour before the ubuntu install torrent comes down.
<_4strO> MHaggag> ctrl alt backspace and choose english
<DarthFrog> bob2: Yes there is.  As I said, an experienced Linux user.  Which means I can work in Ubuntu as I'm most used to.
<MHaggag> Ok, thanks - I'll try that out :)
<_4strO> ;)
<geneo91> MHaggag:  we can tell by your nick
<MHaggag> Tell what? :)
<Taleel> MHaggag: CTRL ALT Backspace kills the current instance of your X server, so close all applications before you do that :)
<DarthFrog> Tomcat23: You'll like Ubuntu, it's very good.  And there's good reasoning behind the sudo issue.
<geneo91> you cant read
<bob2> ok then!
<geneo91> Taleel:  i never do
<MHaggag> lol!
<MHaggag> I can read *very* well - but first give me readable text! Giving me a string of separate glyphs just doesn't cut it (especially in the case of languages like arabic) :)
<geneo91> DarthFrog:  so windows pll cant screw it up
<DarthFrog> geneo91: I suppose that's one way of looking at it.  Not a very charitable point of view, though. :-)
<geneo91> MHaggag:  j/k its been a long day
<MHaggag> I noticed :D
<MHaggag> However, I really have to say thanks for the help. Good luck :)
<darkgamer20> do i need to download the hoary cd when it comes out to upgrade or can i just do it with apt-get dist-upgrade?
<Taleel> darkgamer20: you should be able to just change /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. yes.
<geneo91> MHaggag:  did you find the aphlet thing
<Taleel> that's the beauty of the Debian package management that's lying underneath Ubuntu
<bob2> darkgamer20: you can upgrade
<MHaggag> I'm on windows right now, and I'm doing a couple of things, after which I'll reboot and look for it :)
<pinPoint> hello fellow jungle explorers!
<Tomcat23> Does anyone have a good link that explains what teh common linux directories are? Like what goes into /etc, /bin /sbin, etc....?
<pinPoint> :P
<darkgamer20> Taleel: so if i have the 4.10 warty cds don't i need the 5.4 hoary (when it comes out) cds to upgrade i just edit sources.lst for start updating for 5.4 and then do apt-get update/dist-update?
<darkgamer20> *dist-upgrade
<DarthFrog> Tomcat23: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/
<Taleel> darkgamer20: be prepare to download a *lot* of packages, though. I did a test upgrade and it pulled about 700 MB of packages from the server :)
<darkgamer20> i just need comfirmation
<darkgamer20> really why?
<Taleel> because on that test system I had a lot of stuff installed
<geneo91> Tomcat23:  you need tree
<Taleel> it's basically a clone of my work machine
<darkgamer20> oh ok
<geneo91> that will show you all
<darkgamer20> Taleel: you are now on 5.04?
<Taleel> darkgamer20: just on the test installation (running in VMware)
<darkgamer20> Taleel: if you are how is it?
<Taleel> For my production systems both at work and at home I'm waiting for the Hoary release
<darkgamer20> Taleel: thanks man i really appreciate the help
<darkgamer20> :)
<Taleel> darkgamer20: I didn't test it very much yet. It looked very nice, though.
<darkgamer20> one more thing
<darkgamer20> should i install warty or wait for hoary?
<brad[] > Not that I'm ignoring the wiki or anything, but are there any repositories with prebuilt java/flash?
<Tomcat23> DarthFrog, the force be wit'cha. Thx for the link.
<DarthFrog> Tomcat23: Welcome to the Light Side of The Force, young padawan. :-)
<bob2> brad[] : wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<Taleel> darkgamer20: depends how urgent you need an Ubuntu system. Hoary is supposed to be released on April 6th
<darkgamer20> ok so it will be the same if i edit apt and update it right?
<geneo91> Taleel:  i thought that was RC1
<Taleel> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
<spacey> updating is probably more work then install preview now
<darkgamer20> geneo91: think that had been released already
<Akira> the april 6th release, is that the one they are shipping out?
<darkgamer20> also what do you guys think about ubuntu for server use?
<geneo91> darkgamer20:  march 30 is cut off date and just bug fixes after
<darkgamer20> cut off for what?
<Taleel> darkgamer20: doing an install from a hoary CD, either preview or final, will probably be less work
<geneo91> adding stuff
<geneo91> or making changes
<darkgamer20> Taleel: thanks for if i asked you too many questions about the same thing, i just wanted to comfirm , and i am a lttle slow today for some reason.
<geneo91> Taleel:  its 340 mb without openoffice and emacs from warty
<Taleel> darkgamer20: no prob, you're welcome :)
<darkgamer20> i like the ubuntu community
<Taleel> geneo91: as I said, my test upgrade was from a clone of my work machine. That includes OpenOffice and a lot of other stuff
<Akira> but open office owns
<Akira> becoming better than ms office
<Akira> well not becoming anymore
<Akira> it it
<Akira> is
<Taleel> darkgamer20: well, "Ubuntu" means "humanity to others" :-)
<geneo91> M$ crap is to much the same ole crap
<darkgamer20> Taleel: thank you very very very much
<darkgamer20> see you everybody
<syn-ack> Not to dissapoint anyone, but I still like Office better than OOo
<geneo91> Taleel:  the warty i had shiped to me wasn't final
<Taleel> geneo91: I see
<Taleel> geneo91: I jumped on the bandwagon about one month after the warty release and downloaded the ISO image via bittorrent
<geneo91> 132 mb to update that
<Taleel> geneo91: that could have been just the usual slew of bug fixes and security patches
<geneo91> well i had it long before it was shiped also
<Taleel> I think I did as much updates after I installed from the CD, but I'm not sure
<Akira> syn-ack: Why?
<omniscient> hey guys whats that thing you type to send a programs stderr to stdout?
<omniscient> $< something
<omniscient> &< even
<Taleel> omniscient: /usr/bin/something 2>&1
<omniscient> ah ty
<geneo91> i have a newer cd i made myself thats final
<omniscient> i hate printers.
<omniscient> when somethings wrong i never know if its the software or the printer :|
<Taleel> omniscient: oh yes. printing - one of the last unsolved mysteries of the universe :-(
<omniscient> one day maybe you just push the print button and BAM you got a paper with printed stuff
<geneo91> paper and pencil work just fine
<omniscient> none of this "errrrr eeeeeeeek de dooooooooooo" *more random printer noises* then nothing
<omniscient> no more noise, no printed document
<omniscient> nothing
<geneo91> smart paper no printer
<omniscient> these days hand writing your resume isnt very professional :(
* omniscient wanders off to some printer howto thing...
<geneo91> no but aleast they know you can write
<NormD> hrrm...I guess that's part of the joy of postscript...I've not had a problem with an old HP lj5m...cheap, cheap toner, good reliable duty...
<Akira> im using a 10 year old printer
<geneo91> hehe
<Akira> does the job
<Tomcat23> Anyone know where ubuntu stands with JACK? http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ On the CD? I don't see it listed in the dpkg list of the ubuntu faq. Is it available through synaptic?
<geneo91> Tomcat23:  yes its there
<geneo91> Tomcat23:  you have all the repositories enabled
<Taleel> Tomcat23: it's in "universe", thus available, but relatively unsupported
<hap0> Well I've submitted a bug report, posted to the forums and the mailing list. I've done my part for the evening. Time to get some sleep.
<Tomcat23> Ok, cool. I want to get terminatorX up... damn silly app has made me install linux in the first place (and having a lot of old hardware lying round.)
<Tomcat23> It's one of the programs that uses JACk
<Taleel> Tomcat23: terminatorX is also in universe
<geneo91> tahorg:  dont that use aspecial kernel
<Tomcat23> Thx, Taleel.
<hap0> Goodnight then. /quit
<Ubunovice> I've been trying to install the nvidia display drivers but without success. I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21111 , but even the first step doesn't work for me. If I run the command it tells me that the package is either missing or obselete. If I use synaptic, I can't find anything that has linux-source. I'm totally perplexed.
<geneo91> Taleel:  mandrake uses multimedia kernel for jack
<Taleel> geneo91: I have never used jack nor terminatorX, so I don't know if you need a special kernel
<Akira> what is jack?
<Tomcat23> I do have another question (disclaimer: newbie here) I see that synaptic is a front-end for dpkg... is there a difference between dpkg and apt-get? Can you freely use both?
<geneo91> kernel org has the patches for it
<geneo91> synaptic is frontend for apt
<Tomcat23> Hmmn, geneo91, maybe I'll need to install mandrake on the box that I set up for that one then... but I think ubuntu is going to work for me in general.
<Akira> Tomcat23: dpkg allows to install .deb files, while apt-get pulls from repositories
<Akira> then installs
<geneo91> Tomcat23:  well i shy away from mandrake unless your a club member
<Taleel> Tomcat23: dpkg is the core of the package system. apt-get is the mechanism that pulls the packages from a server or CD. synaptic, dselect, aptitude etc. are the frontends that make selecting and deselecting packages easier
<Tomcat23> Ah, ok... synaptic = apt, got it.
<membreya> ello Echylo :)
<HostingGeek> sad news everyone Amaranth's menu editor wont make it unless someone fixes PyXDG on time
<Echylo> hey
<Tomcat23> Ok, I think I understand... You can point synaptic at a .deb file you've downloaded then?
<geneo91> Taleel:  jack is a multimedia thing that uses low level hardware
<Echylo> I'm on school
<Echylo> windows : &
<Amaranth> HostingGeek: ffs, stop
<Echylo> :p
<Initri> Hi.. anyone have a few minutes to help with some Ubuntu newbie questions ?:P
<Echylo> yes
<Echylo> I do
<Echylo> Initri, shoot your questions :p
<Echylo> (as long as it are newbie questions, I can help)
<Initri> I fscked my Woody box on Debian.. (apt-get update/upgrade to Sarge.. ouch) -- so, I'm considering Ubuntu as I'm building a new box..
<Echylo> uhu
<Initri> ..should I go that route vs. a stock Debian install ? - and if so, which version is the latest stable (Horay or Warty) ?
<Taleel> Tomcat23: let me check. usually you just do sudo dpkg -i foobar.deb
<Echylo> hoary is pretty stable
<Initri> [I wasn't paying attention!] 
<Echylo> hoary is the last release
<Initri> It's going to be a server.
<jdub> Amaranth: is HostingGeek being a problem (i have him/her on /ignore)
<Echylo> hmm
<Initri> (private)
<Echylo> I don't have experience with servers, but I think hoary will do just fine
<Initri> (Apache/PHP/Mysql/Postfix)
<Echylo> as it has the latest security fixes & updates of programs
<Amaranth> jdub: Just blabbing something I told him in every Ubuntu related channel he can find.
<jdub> Initri: hoary is still pre-release, but it's pretty robust.
<Initri> Now it's completely Debian based, right ? - so all of my apt-get stuff will work the same ?
<jdub> Initri: i'm running it on my home server and my linode vm.
<Taleel> Initri: for a server, Debian might be the better choice, since a lot of server-related stuff in Ubuntu is in "universe", thus relatively unsupported
<Echylo> Initri, ye
<jdub> Initri: ubuntu has separate repositories (don't mix packages), but yes, it's much the same as debian.
<Initri> Taleel:  Such as ?
<packetgod> So should I install the preview release or wait for the final version?
<jdub> Taleel: not really, most of the important stuff is in main
<jsgotangco> just wait for the final its just a few days away anyway
<membreya> Echylo: did you see http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ ???
<Echylo> no, what's wrong?
<paulproteus> Initri: For me, I'd stick with Debian Sarge.
<paulproteus> Initri: Of course, I have a server on Debian Sarge right now.
<membreya> visit it :)
<Initri> Let me define server:  I run PHP, Apache, MySQL, Samba, Postfix, and a small handful of other things at home - it's my development box (Programmer).
<Echylo> ooh :)
<Echylo> I wasn't using it anyway
<jsgotangco> hello membreya :D
<membreya> hey jsgotangco :)
<Initri> However, I would also like the ability since I'm using updated equipment to have a GUI environment available as well.
<Echylo> lel, that's a reason to hate microsof
<Echylo> stupid patent wars
<Taleel> Initri + jdub: I have all my servers running on Debian sarge, so maybe I'm biased :)
<membreya> Echylo: the EU started it!
<Initri> Patents are good..
<Initri> ..software patents SUCK.
<jsgotangco> copyrights are good patents suck
<omniscient> damn printers not supported :(
<paulproteus> Feel free to set up an Ubuntu-based server.  I think it's a fairly reasonable idea,
<Taleel> Initri: in that case just use the distro you're most familiar with. those services are all supported just fine on Ubuntu
<Initri> *Ponders*
<paulproteus> Make *sure* to keep dist-upgrading to Hoary until it's released, and applying security updates.
<paulproteus> Initri: The nice thing about Ubuntu is releases.
<jsgotangco> theres a perception that Ubuntu is generally a desktop distro
<jsgotangco> but its not
<paulproteus> They happen, basically. :)
<Tomcat23> Taleel: Thx, I am sure I would have seen that command in the docs and figured it out. Just trying to understand what I'm getting into with synaptic. (Have gotten gentoo up, but 'emerge' just don't cut it for me..)
<Initri> Debian = slooooow.
<paulproteus> Initri: Eh?
<geneo91> omniscient:  what printer you have
<membreya> wtf ...THIRD day in a row and no hoary updates >:(
<Initri> Paul: (on updates)
<omniscient> canon i965
<jsgotangco> huh?
<jsgotangco> membreya: just updated hours ago
<paulproteus> Initri: Oh, right.  Indeed.
<membreya> no updates for me :|
<Initri> I've got a mess of stuff to do.. got a WRTG54GS to play with too :P
<jsgotangco> just updated yesterday as well
<membreya> Initri: did you just hit random keys? :|
<paulproteus> Initri: My recommendation:
<paulproteus> Install Hoary.
<paulproteus> dist-upgrade regularly until the release hits.
<Initri> [All] :  So, Ubunto would be OK for me to use as a server, is a different Debian flavor, and I might learn something new and have some fun and should work for me just fine ?
<paulproteus> Then you'll only have security updates to worry about.
<paulproteus> Initri: OK as server?  Yes.  Diff. Debian flavor?  Yes.  Learn something new?  Probably.  Have fun and work fine?  Likely.
<geneo91> omniscient:  is that old
<Initri> Paul:  What's wrong with apt-get update/upgrade ? - I've never really used dist-upgrade.
<packetgod> Can you do a non x-windows install of Ubunto?  If so then you bet for servers, if no then skip it
<Echylo> initri
<Echylo> you beter should :p
<Initri> Packet:  I'm interested in having X installed as well -- I'll just start & stop it manually.
<membreya> packetgod: yes you can
<Echylo> in ubuntu ofcourse :)
<omniscient> geneo91, newish.. mid last year it was baught and it was fairly new thing i think
<omniscient> i don't know
<membreya> just type server
<membreya> when the install comes up
<omniscient> it's a friends printer im just borrowing
<paulproteus> Initri: dist-upgrade brings in fresh dependencies, too.
<packetgod> Well then no worries, cause it is still debian underneath and it is one of the most stable server platforms out there
<geneo91> packetgod:  yes you can
<Initri> Hey - thanks guys, I *really* appreciate the tips :) -- very friendly community, not always the case when hitting IRC for info :))  I might just have to come hang out in here sometime :P
<Ubunovice> I try to install soemthing through synaptic, but it tells me it is dependant on dpatch, which is non-installable. What am I doing wrong?
<Echylo> like I do ^^
<paulproteus> Initri: Great, see you soon. :)
<Echylo> this is a great channel
<Tomcat23> Yeah, y'all've been great with helping folks
<membreya> Initri: sorry, the "regulars" spots are all full, you'll need to sign up and wait for a spot to open
<Initri> [All] :  Thanks for the help!  Take care guys.  I'm gonna give Hoary a try.
<paulproteus> Ubunovice: What are you trying to install?
* Initri pokes membreya
<Echylo> :)
<membreya> :P
<Ubunovice> nvidia-kernel-source
<Echylo> you can have membreya's spot
<Initri> Cool :P
<Initri> :)
<Echylo> we don't need him anyway :p
* omniscient pats his idler spot
<jsgotangco> lol
<Initri> I was just going to say.. :P
<membreya> hmpf!
<Initri> <-- loggin.
<Initri> Thanks again :)
<Initri> Bye.
<Echylo> :)
<Echylo> bye
<membreya> Echylo: is an active idler..says lots but doesn't end up saying a thing
<packetgod> This is one serious active IRC chanel... impressive
<membreya> :P
<jsgotangco>  it is pretty active aye
* omniscient found a bookshop in sydney that sells the oversupply of books & things real cheap. could just be one of them dodgy retailers you find on the backstreets but the women said they buy the overstock
<jsgotangco> omniscient: are you coming for Ubuntu Down Under?
<membreya> omniscient: it's sydney..of course it's "hot" gear :)
<omniscient> if you live in sydney (au) its down by central station, sells books like half the price you get in a bookstore
<geneo91> packetgod:  wonder over to #kubuntu also
<omniscient> jsgotangco, whats that :)
<Ubunovice> paulproteus: I'm trying to install nvidia-kernel-source
<jsgotangco> eh?
<jsgotangco> heheh
<packetgod> Yeah, I'm a gnome fan personally :)
<membreya> jsgotangco: isn't ubuntu down under being held in nz?
<jsgotangco> i'll take that as a yes
<jsgotangco> no its in Sydney
<membreya> oooooooooooooh :)
<jdub> membreya: that's linux.conf.au 2006
<Echylo> membreya, what did you said ? :p
<membreya> oh ok :)
<jsgotangco> i'll be going there
<Echylo> I say alot :p
<omniscient> hrm, where in sydney?
<omniscient> linkage?
<membreya> yup Echylo :D
<jsgotangco> rushcutters
<Echylo> hmm
<jdub> omniscient: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
<membreya> if it's not too soon, I might have to fly up to laugh at the nerds :)
<Echylo> yea actually, many of sentences don't make sense
<jdub> omniscient: a hotel in rushcutters bay
<paulproteus> Ubunovice: Not sure, bout to go to sleep I'm afraid.
<paulproteus> Good night, all.
<Echylo> like that one
<Echylo> and this one
* omniscient doesnt usually go to conf's, user groups etc
<jsgotangco> well just drop by
<jsgotangco> its open to the public anyway
<jdub> omniscient: i'm speaking at slug on april 1st too
<jsgotangco> a day or two wont hurt if youre in the area
<jsgotangco> you can get to rant to the developers hehe
<omniscient> my old teacher goes to slug
<Amaranth> jdub: If a new version of PyXDG came out in the next few days that fixed a sortof bad bug would it stand a chance of getting into hoary?
<membreya> omniscient: you don't go to swapmeets?
<jdub> omniscient: geoffrey robertson?
<omniscient> yeah ;)
<jsgotangco> small world
<omniscient> i did his intro course and started his php/cisco ones but then got accepted for a diploma
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<geneo91> you have young teacher also
<jdub> Amaranth: possibly - if you take a stab at upgrading the package and verify that it works, we could update
<omniscient> membreya, no i dont
<packetgod> php/cisco?  Sounds like fun
<membreya> omniscient: .....hmmmm :| odd
<omniscient> i want to go to those kind of things but i dont know what they are half the time
<jdub> omniscient: at granville or north sydney?
<omniscient> and none of my mates are into this stuff
* omniscient looks at friend on MY pc playing games :|
<membreya> going to a swapmeet in 2 weeks time to pick me up a 200gb SATA
<omniscient> jdub granville
<Amaranth> jdub: I'd definately be upgrading the package and verifying, my menu editor would depend on the fix I'm hoping someone figures out. :)
<jdub> omniscient: whenabouts? i might've given a guest lecture while you were there ;)
<jdub> L
<omniscient> ah i did his intro last year, last semester
<omniscient> no guest speakers
<Amaranth> jdub: only one app in hoary even seems to depend on it
<jdub> hrm, not my mutt window
<omniscient> if you've spoken this year i missed it, cos i left
<omniscient> he was getting someone to come and speak about something for his php class
<omniscient> was that you?
<flames> hi, i start the ubuntu 5.04 live cd, but mouse does not work, i changed my xorg.conf, how can i apply the changes?
<jdub> nah, wasn't this year
<Echylo> ctrl alt backspace ?
<Echylo> flames?
<Echylo> don't shoot me if it doesn't work
<will> flames
<omniscient> jdub, geoff gave me the ubuntu cd i use to install this
<flames> ok, ctrl alt backspace, i get a command line
<omniscient> hes a ubuntu cd spammer i tell you
<flames> and now?
<omniscient> ihave like 3 or 4 of them
<Echylo> startx
<geneo91> Echylo:  have tried it with live cd
<Echylo> ?
<Echylo> what geneo91?
<jdub> omniscient: uh huh ;)
<jdub> omniscient: i'm his dealer ;)
<omniscient> haha
<omniscient> he has a cupboard full!
<geneo91> ctrl alt backspace
<will> flames: at the command line, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
<will> then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
<Echylo> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
<Echylo> ;)
<will> exactly!
<Echylo> :p
<Echylo> wb
<flames> thx, i try these tips
<will> lovely gnome display manager
<membreya> hmm, just went into synaptic and it said my package information was out of date... i reloaded it but most things were 0bytes :|
<Ubunovice> What is dpatch and how do I install the package? It's a dependency for some nvidia thing but synaptic can't find it.
<geneo91> Ubunovice:  you have all the repositories enabled
<Taleel> dpatch is in the main Ubuntu repository
<packetgod> night all
<Ubunovice> geneo91: Do you mean I have them all enabled and that's bad or I should have them all enabled?
<Taleel> Ubunovice: you said that your update didn't work. do you use a proxy server? maybe you have to clear the proxy server's cache so the synaptic update gets complete files?
<Ubunovice> I don't use a proxy.
<Taleel> any error messages?
<Ubunovice> I'm just trying to follow http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21111
<ells> anyone familiar with using acidrip. Trying to get the settings right
<Echylo> Ubunovice, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org
<geneo91> yea they should be enabled
<Ruby> Hello :)
<Ubunovice> Echylo: Thanks. Thier guide seems more logical.
<Ruby> Can any one help me with ubuntu hoary installation? at the end of the second stage, it says "setting up X-server" or "starting X-server" or something like that, and freezes... what shuld i do?
<Echylo> hehe :)
<Echylo> ruby try to boot with another kernel
<Echylo> don't know which one
<Ubunovice> Now I get stuck on 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings'. Says it's unavailable but referred to by another. It adds that it may be missing or obselete.
<Echylo> but I think it was kernel related
<HappyPills> hmm... any idea how to batch rename files? I wish to add a '0' to a bunch of images...
<Echylo> Ubunovice, have you did sudo apt-get update
<Ruby> your talking to an absolute noob :( i dont have a clue how to do that
<jnoon> is there a known issue with some routers not working well with the 2.6 kernel?  my dlink gives me the router ip as the dns, but it doesnt work.  if i manully enter the dns servers everything is fine
<membreya> HappyPills: mrename
<Ubunovice> Echylo: I have.
<HappyPills> thanks
<HappyPills> I love apt-get sometimes
<jiyuu0|work> Ubunovice, how about have u modify the sources file?
<membreya> HappyPills: make sure you man it :)
<HappyPills> pfft, I never read instructions!
<Echylo> Ubunovice, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
<Echylo> remove the #
<Ubunovice> jiyuu0|work: What exactly does that mean?
<HappyPills> I'll just copy the files elsewhere first =)
<pinPoint> any idea why audio is out of sync in videos and dvs
<Echylo> before universe etc
<pinPoint> dvds*
<Echylo> wait a sec
<jiyuu0|work> Ubunovice, Echylo just reply to it
<jsgotangco> pinPoint: Hoary?
<membreya> HappyPills: caveat emptor
<Ubunovice> okay. it's in gedit.
<Echylo> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
<Ubunovice> Now what?
<HappyPills> everybody says that to me
<Ubunovice> ok
<membreya> lol HappyPills :P
<pinPoint> jsgotangco: ya
<Ruby> Echylo, how am i suposed to do that? what kernel? im confused :( i have only used mandrake for a month... newbie here :(
<Echylo> well if you reboot
<Echylo> you normally get alot of choises ?
<Ruby> 4 ubuntu choises and one windows
<Echylo> hmm
<Echylo> which ?
<Echylo> msg them me
<Echylo> or post them in #flood
<Ruby> like 2 default and 2 regular
<geneo91> yes
<membreya> Ruby: boot the top one
<Echylo> he probably does membreya
<membreya> :)
<Echylo> cause that's the default one
<Ruby> i have... at the end the screen goes black...
<Ubunovice> Wonderful! It installed nvidia-settings. Thank you.
<Echylo> great!
<GNAM> on the air the flavour of ubutu final
<GNAM> ubuntu :P
<geneo91> you are
<Echylo> have you tried to update hoary Ruby?
<Ruby> also tried running recovery mode and executing /usr/X11R6/bin/X ... same resoult... the screen goes black/...
<jsgotangco> pinPoint: mine does that too, but Im not sure why i cant say if its the codecs either
<Ruby> what do you mean?
<Echylo> ruby how did you installed hoary?
<geneo91> wrong window
<Echylo> with the iso cd?
<Ruby> yeah
<Echylo> well
<Echylo> go to a command line
<Echylo> and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
<Echylo> or sudo apt-get upgrade
<jnoon> my router gives me the router ip as the dns server, but it doesnt work.  if i manully enter the dns servers everything is fine.  is there any known bug about this?
<membreya> what's that damn package that does net streaming for radio ?
<membreya> box
<membreya> something
<Ruby> it will work without setting the  sources list?
<Echylo> rhythmbox?
<membreya> aaah :D
<Echylo> the sources list should be set to hoary
<theDragon> Hello
<theDragon> I am having a bit of a problem:
<Echylo> membreya, that was non sense sentence so don't read it :p
<membreya> :P
<Ruby> ok... going to try...
<Ruby> thanks
<theDragon> I can not boot back into windows, and I am not sure what to change in my grub menu to make it work
<Echylo> np
<theDragon> I have like a million combos, none work
<jiyuu0|work> Echylo, have u tried hoary preview?
<Echylo> jiyuu0|work I have hoary :)
<Echylo> not the cd
<jiyuu0|work> how's it?
<jiyuu0|work> many changes?
<Echylo> but I upgraded from wwarty
<Echylo> yes
<Echylo> no
<Echylo> but
<theDragon> ...
<pinPoint> 'There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg'
<pinPoint> what is that?
<Echylo> you have the latest updates, and it's pretty stable so :)
<nvashi2> hey upgrading from warty to hoary or try :)
<Echylo> thedragon, you'll need to add an entry for windows
<jiyuu0|work> Echylo, it still can't mix wif debian repo right?
<theDragon> yes
<theDragon> I have many
<theDragon> because I cannot figure why it won't boot
<Echylo> no I don't think so
<theDragon> the default one gives me the 0x7 error
<flames> mouse work fine, hooray! :-) thx for help
<flames> bye
<Echylo> ;)
<Echylo> cya
<geneo91> oh boy maybe windows aint there no more
<Echylo> euhm the dragon
<Echylo> I don't know what is the entry you putted into your menu.lst
<theDragon> lemme show you the main one
<jiyuu0|work> Echylo, heard can't edit the menu item... issit true?
<Echylo> yes
<Echylo> thedragon msg it to me , or post it on www.pastebin.com
<nvashi2> whoa 973 files to be upgraded
<theDragon> title   Windows Nt/2000/XP          root (hd0,0)      savedefault    makeactive     chainloader +!
<Echylo> or #flood
<membreya> damn rhythmbox and its small list of radio servers and yes I know I can edit the file ..but it's a matter of getting a list of stations
<theDragon> that's a +1
<Echylo> damn
<Echylo> yes nvashi2 :P
<[FiDO] > has anyone here used gdesklets
<Echylo> I did
<jsgotangco> whats that a hoary upgrade? hehehe
<theDragon> and it says unrecognized filesystem
<Echylo> hmm
<jiyuu0|work> Echylo, so how do u add a item into the menu?
<Echylo> you don't ;)
<Echylo> U just have to wait until they release a program for that
<jiyuu0|work> why can't gnome make the menu like kde
<Echylo> I'm not a gnome/kde expert
<Echylo> ;)
<theDragon> and all my other combos in the menu.lst file just make grub hang
<nvashi2> I guess I could have just used the cd to install it from scratch
<nvashi2> but this seemed more fun
<Echylo> theDragon check this http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
<geneo91> Echylo:  there is a temp fix posted on wiki
<Echylo> for the menu?
<geneo91> yes
<membreya> why oh why would you want to add windows :(
<Echylo> oh ok
<membreya> windows makes baby jesus cry
<Echylo> membreya, baby jesus cries anyway
<membreya> :P there you go again Echylo with that "chat" :P
<Echylo> so if they need windows, help them ;)
<Echylo> hey I'm helping people no?
<membreya> :P
<membreya> i know, but I like to razz ya :P
<nvashi2> why not let windows be on a seperate machine
<Echylo> yea I know
<Echylo> :p
<theDragon> well linux makes baby newbs like me cry
<geneo91> membreya:  i think he wrote over his windows when he installed
<Echylo> theDragon, have you checked the site?
<theDragon> ya, its rebooting now
<jiyuu0|work> if only ubuntu got a resize partition tool during install
<theDragon> lemme see what it does
<Echylo> that would be great geneo91 :P
<membreya> theDragon: it's a fun learning curve..my head hasn't worked this much in years with computers :)
<theDragon> says "Filesystem type unknown, partition typ 0x7"
<theDragon> again
<theDragon> arg
<Echylo> then be happy
<Echylo> you lost your windows
<geneo91> if its not listed in grub after install you have no more windows
<theDragon> hah
<Echylo> and don't blame ubuntu, it worked fine here
<Echylo> :p
<theDragon> yea, I know
<theDragon> it works fine for everyone else _except_ me, as usual
<theDragon> :S
<Echylo> can you acces your windows partition?
<theDragon> if I make it rootnoverify I don't get that error
<membreya> world's against you huh theDragon ?
<theDragon> but now it hangs
<Echylo> membreya ....
<theDragon> yea, it sees it
<Echylo> you are really supportive today
<membreya> :D
<theDragon> but I cannot boot it
<membreya> Echylo: working 9 am starts and living on 4 hours sleep a night
<Echylo> well It will always sees it
<geneo91> theDragon:  do a df -h
<Echylo> that's the title
<Echylo> membreya you say that all the time
<Echylo> :P
<membreya> theDragon: can you mount the windows partition in ubuntu ?
<Echylo> wb Ruby
<nvashi2> 5% done
<theDragon> yea I could try
<Echylo> lel
<Echylo> nvashi2 how much time left?
<theDragon> hold on, loading up my menu.lst again
<DemisM> what is the text init level for ubuntu?
<bob2> DemisM: make one
<bob2> (ie this isn't redhat, run leveles 2-5 are identical by default)
<DemisM> oh ok
<Echylo> bob2, can you make your own init levels?
<theDragon> damnit again
<bob2> Echylo: sure
<membreya> what's wrong theDragon ?
<bob2> Echylo: well, you can edit the existing ones
<theDragon> I made a change and it just hangs, again... hmmm
<Echylo> thedragon, try to mount the windows partition!
<theDragon> I am puzzled
<theDragon> ok ok
<DemisM> how can I make one or config so that gdm doesn't automatically start up
<Echylo> bob2, you can't "add" one?
<ells> anyone know much about acidrip
<bob2> Echylo: not without patching init
<theDragon> loading into linux, 1 min
<bob2> Echylo: do you need more than 4?
<Echylo> ok :)
<Echylo> no :p
<Echylo> but just wondering
<nvashi2> just hit 400
<bob2> DemisM: rm /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm
<DemisM> why would I delete it, can I just chg its name?
<nvashi2> kewl 502
<bob2> DemisM: sure
<bob2> there's no reason not to delete it, tho
<bob2> it's just a symlink
<nvashi2> guess I will do my nvidia card next
<theDragon> ok
<theDragon> I am looking at all my windows stuff now
<theDragon> its all there
<Echylo> hmm
<nvashi2> theDragon: nice
<theDragon> yes, now if only it would _boot_
<Echylo> have you chosen the right partition to boot?
<Ubunovice> How do I edit xorg.conf? It's read only, because X is running.
<Echylo> Ubunovice
<Echylo> don't know sure but
<HrdwrBoB> Ubunovice: it's read only because you don't have permissions
<theDragon> yes
<theDragon> hda1
<Echylo> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<theDragon> which is on hd0,0
<Echylo> hmm
<Echylo> tried hd0,1 ?
<Ubunovice> Oh I see. I'll sudo -s then.
<ells> does anyone know about burning dvds in linux
<theDragon> no... I will, need to edit, sec
<Echylo> yup ;)
<DemisM> bob2, k thank you :)
<pinPoint> how come xmms or xine wont play mp3 streams nor mp3 files?
<pinPoint> how come?
<Echylo> change your preferences
<Echylo> change the soundserver to esound
<Echylo> oh
<pinPoint> it plays cds
<Echylo> oh
<Echylo> hmm
<geneo91> Echylo:  if it xp it use dos for boot
<pinPoint> but not mp3
<pinPoint> it is esound
<Echylo> geneo91, nothing wrong with trying
<bob2> pinPoint: it should work fine
<pinPoint> well it plays mp3 but no sound ever comes out
<santiago> hi, does anyone knows why one can't search about the text of the links in evolution 1.0 whitout using ctrl+f ?
<membreya> pinPoint: tried launching it from the terminal ?
<nvashi2> he might want to get xmms-mad
<Echylo> or xmms-lame ?
<Echylo> or what is lame good for? :p
<geneo91> well it would be hd0,1
<Echylo> well he is trying that now
<jnoon> can anyone tell me what ubuntu uses to set resolve.conf?
<santiago> in the warty version it was possible to do that
<ells> pinPoint, I had the same issue before. I believe you will need the gstreamer codecs
<santiago> s/it/
<ells> does anyone in here know about burning dvds in linux
<theDragon> no... I will, need to edit, sec
<Echylo> nope, I don't
<theDragon> ok, now it says Error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format
<Echylo> hmm
<membreya> ells: what's wrong ?
<geneo91> i dunno i took xp off here after two weeks
<jnoon> Does ubuntu use dhcpcd?
<membreya> hmmmm :|
<ells> membrey, well I can rip a dvd to an avi but the audio is not right
<santiago> ells, try graveman
<Ubunovice> Can I make it so double clicking the app icon is equivalent to clicking the x, like in win?
<Echylo> yes
<xamdm> jnoon, it uses dhclient
<Echylo> mouse setttings I think Ubunovice
<geneo91> theDragon:  xp has a dos partition in front of it to boot
<Ubunovice> mouse settings doesn't have that... doesn't have much actually
<Ruby_> back... any one has an idia what more can i do? black screen on X start in a new installation
<Echylo> hmm
<Echylo> you updated?
<Ubunovice> Updated how?
<xamdm> Ruby_, which cind off Grafikscard ??
<Burgundavia> jnoon: no, uses dhclient
<Burgundavia> ells: what are trying to use to burn?
<Echylo> xamdm, you are german?
<xamdm> Echylo, yes
<ells> santiago: for ripping dvds?
<membreya> oh, DVD ripping..that's different :)
<Echylo> cause that was one hell of a fucked up english sentence
<ells> membreya: I can backup a dvd, but cannot compress the dvd to copy
<xamdm> Echylo, sorry :-)
<Echylo> no problem
<ells> membreya: because of this, I have to make avi
<Ubunovice> Update like "Ubuntu Update Manager"?
<Echylo> I probably make more mistaks
<nvashi2> ells: you using dvdrip?
<santiago> ells, http://graveman.tuxfamily.org/index-e.php
<Echylo> mistakes*
<ells> membreya; the avi play, but the voice lags behind.
<Echylo> but I talk more ;)
<xamdm> Echylo, i try to do it better next time ;-)
<santiago> ells, not for rip, for burn
<Echylo> :D
<ells> nvashi: using acidrip
<ells> santiago: okay
<ells> santiago: what types of files? I want them playable on my home dvd player
<xamdm> Ruby_, is it a nvidia ??
<Echylo> ruby, what videocard do u use?
<Echylo> ati or nvidia one?
<Echylo> like xamdm asked :)
<xamdm> Echylo, ore any other :)
<Echylo> yea, but ati & nvidia are the majority
<xamdm> Echylo, yes i never get X after a fresh install geforce 6800.....
<Echylo> have you installed nvidia drivers?
<xamdm> Echylo, after that it works, its just anoying, is it possible to build a install disk, with restricted-modules etc ??
<siddharthk> hi all
<Echylo> goddamned
<Echylo> fucking netsplits
<Echylo> bye
<Echylo> netsplit
<Echylo> or totally disconnect
<Echylo> you may choose :p
<xamdm> wow
<geneo91> wow is right
<Echylo> wait until they'll join again :p
<HostingGeek> This is a the weirodest one ever
<Echylo> yea
<Echylo> netsplits are pretty kewl
<geneo91> maybe iran droped one
<HostingGeek> its looks like the southern servers are connected with each other
<HostingGeek> and the northern ones are connection with each other
<xamdm> i get this if i try to run xmms, waht is going on ??: Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
<geneo91> or n.korea
<xamdm>   serial 238 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
<Echylo> hmm
<theDragon> ok I am back, got disconnected
<Echylo> yea
<xamdm> many laos diskonnected in ubuntu-de
<xamdm> also i meant
<HostingGeek> so in other words a mainserver went down
<theDragon> as I was saying, any ideas with the grub thing? I am really at a loss
<siddharthk> i am new to irc, so can anybody tell me whats is netsplit ?
<geneo91> hey i'm in the north
<xamdm> theDragon, what does happen, just connected later ..
<Echylo> siddharthk, I gonna try to explain, as far as I know, irc.freenode exists of many servers, people who are connected with one server are disconnected
<siddharthk> ohh .. thats why i just now saw many 'quit' messages ...
<Echylo> ;)
<Echylo> anyway
<Echylo> gtg
<geneo91> man thats a lot of servers california went down
<theDragon> I cannot boot into my NTFS partition
<Echylo> leel
<Echylo> school time, greets to membreya :p
<xamdm> theDragon, what happens ??, can jou show me jour menu.lst just the part with the ntfs...
<geneo91> theDragon:  did you try to mount it as dos
<theDragon> how?
<theDragon> what do you mean mount it as dos?
<xamdm> geneo91, ???
<geneo91> xp uses dos to boot it
<theDragon> ok, so... how do I do this?
<xamdm> geneo91, no
<geneo91> so there should be two partitions for xp by default
<xamdm> geneo91, no
<geneo91> ithink one is about 20mb
<theDragon> ??
<xamdm> geneo91, thats not default
<xamdm> geneo91, ntldr statrs directly from ntfs
<theDragon> sure isn't 2 by default
<geneo91> yes it is goto a r console in xp one time and you'll see it
<Ubunovice> In an ntfs partition I have files and folders with names in Hebrew. I mounted the partition and I can't even see the folders/files in nautilus. How can I correct this?
* netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> niven.freenode.net
<theDragon> ubunovoice: hebrew? hardcore
<xamdm> theDragon, just a example of my /boot/grub/menu.lst
<xamdm> # on /dev/sda1
<xamdm> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
<xamdm> root            (hd0,0)
<xamdm> savedefault
<xamdm> makeactive
<xamdm> chainloader     +1
<geneo91> not any i ever worked on
<theDragon> that is exactly mine
<theDragon> only mine not work
<theDragon> and XP is in hda1
<xamdm> theDragon, can jou mount the ntfs partition ??
<theDragon> yes, I did
<theDragon> I can see all my NTFS stuff
<theDragon> but I want to boot to it
<theDragon> and it won't
<theDragon> it just hangs
<xamdm> theDragon, is the ntfs-partition the active one ??
<theDragon> as far as I know
<theDragon> how would I change/set/view that?
<theDragon> oh wait, it is
<theDragon> it gets a makeactive before the chainloader
<Ubunovice> I don't know if it actually matters but my ntfs partitions are hdb# and not hda#.
<xamdm> theDragon, run fdisk an p, to look if its correct
<Ubunovice> Hmm... FireFox got stuck. Is there like a task manager a la windows that can close it down? What should I do?
<xamdm> Ubunovice, gnome ore kde ??
<Ubunovice> gnome
<theDragon> fdisk wha?
<geneo91> Ubunovice:  pidof
<xamdm>  gnome-system-monitor
<geneo91> then kill that number
<xamdm> theDragon, fdisk /dev/hda and then type p
<theDragon> ...
<theDragon> k
<Ubunovice> xamdm: Thanks.
<xamdm> np
<Ubunovice> geneo91: Huh?
<theDragon> ok p apparently is not valid
<xamdm> try m for help
<theDragon> oh wait
<theDragon> sorry
<theDragon> passing p as an option
<theDragon> ok, yea
<theDragon> hda1 gets the boot flag
<geneo91> pid is the proc number and you can type kill in terminal to stop any thing
<xamdm> is it active ?, sometimes two partitions become active, then xp won't boot
<theDragon> how do I tell if it is active?
<brion> before the netsplit i was saying... Has something recently changed in the warty php4 packages that would break the ability to write to files or create files in directories not owned by www-data? It's acting like PHP's safe_mode is on, but phpinfo() claims it's off. I'm fairly certain it worked a few days ago, and there's been a security update to these packages recently...
<xamdm> geneo91, the dos partition in the xp-recue mode is a RAM-drive ;-)
<geneo91> xp is pissed off
<geneo91> well maybe but when i use a mandrke disk i have it shows two also
<xamdm> theDragon, a
<Ruby_> this is better :P
<brion> :D
<xamdm> geneo91, then jou do have a non standard setup ..
<Ruby_> any one care to help me now? :P
<theDragon> I see no a's under the fdisk util
<geneo91> hey its not mine i dont do windows here
<theDragon> as in under the p listing
<xamdm> theDragon, *
<xamdm> sorry
<theDragon> yes, hda1 sure does
<theDragon> like I said a few moments ago
<theDragon> and it is indicated as NTFS
<xamdm> any others also ??
<theDragon> no
<geneo91> xamdm:  why cant u see all your drive
<Ruby_> help :( after new installation of ubuntu i get a blank black screen on X start :(
<xamdm> geneo91, ??, i see all my drive
<geneo91> i'm sure you dont
<xamdm> geneo91, gparted qtparted fdisk, als say the same :-)
<Ruby_> damn... im out... if any one has an idia how to help me please oh please PM me :(
<pinPoint> and still no sound
<pinPoint> o_O
<Ruby_> god... where did you all come from? :P
<membreya> everyone's coming back :D
<nvashi2> wb guys
<membreya> netsplits are always fun :)
<Ruby_> and some are comming back twice? :P
<nvashi2> they are on kornbluth
<Ruby_> lol... this *is* fun :P
<Amaranth> haha, that's what happens when you rejoin during a netsplit and don't disconnect properly
<nvashi2> ok now check your oput settings for xmms
<[FiDO] > can anyone help me with gdesklet ??
<[FiDO] > gdesklets rather
<HostingGeek> we are still missing 100 people
<pinPoint> nvashi2: everything's clean
<xamdm> Ruby_, what is joutr problem
<Ruby_> new ubuntu installation- blank black screen on X start
<nvashi2> ok
<xamdm> Ruby_, waht kind of Grafikscard ??, sorry for my bad engleich
<Ubunovice> Which repository will have winetools? Should I just install it manually?
<desplesda> Ubunovice:  i remember seeing it in universe, i think
<Ruby_> erm... its a really old Nvidia... Gforce 2 i think
<[FiDO] > can anyone help me with gdesklets ??
<xamdm> Ruby_, ok, warty ore hoary ??
<Ruby_> xamdm, hoary
<HappyPills> warty is nice, havn't tried hoary
<Gecko> Hello people
<dmoyne> hello ! ; I have updated from warty to hoary and I have a few strange things happening ; can we talk about it ?
<xamdm> Ruby_, ok, just change the xorg.conf to use vesa instead of nv, 1st, so jou have unaccelerated X
<nvashi2> HappyPills: I am upgrading to Hoary now
<nvashi2> going smootly so far
<xamdm> Ruby_, then try to install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx and the restricted-modules
<Ruby_> erm... i have no clue of how to do that...
<xamdm> Ruby_, then change the driver from vesa to nvidia
<Ruby_> :P
<xamdm> Ruby_, are jou able to handle the edito vi ina shell ??
<Ruby_> install--> you mean just apr-get yeah? :(
<nvashi2> Ruby: yeah that what he means
<Sonium> how do i stop xserver?
<xamdm> Ruby_, ok, we try it slower :-)
<Ruby_> i am a total linux newbie :(
<HappyPills> it took me several hours to get ubuntu working how I want it, I don't want to risk breaking it by going to Hoary =P
<xamdm> Ruby_, press ctrl+alt+F1 thne login
<geneo91> Ruby_:  you need to hit ctrl alt f1 get a terminal
<xamdm> Ruby_, then type sudo su
<xamdm> Ruby_, then do a dpkr-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<nvashi2> HappyPills: then you should have an easier time doing it a 2nd time
<xamdm> dpkg-reconfigure i meant
<dmoyne> no way to edit menus with hoary ?
<Ubunovice> I can't find winetools on universe. How exactly do I go about installing a tar.gz distribution?
<nmoore> dmoyne: gnome menus? it seems that way
<membreya> dmoyne: no way to edit menus with gnome2.1
<membreya> 0
<brion> Nobody running php, knows anything about mysterious file access problems cropping up since last security updates to warty?
<membreya> you CAN edit them
<Gecko> I have a weird problem. I just compiled a new kernel 2.6.11.4 from source, using the configuration from the default ubuntu kernel found in /boot. When booting up I get a blank screen, and no init. It is an amd64 running hoary. Can anyone help?
<membreya> but it's a pain
<pinPoint> i changed my runlevel to 5 and this thing didnt work
<Seveas> membreya, there is an easy way
<xamdm> Ruby_, when it aks for a driver choose the vesa an not the nv one !!
<pinPoint> i lost my default sounds too
<HappyPills> nvashi2, I didn't have time to spend doing it the first time... stupid ndiswrapper!
<membreya> how's that Seveas ?
<pinPoint> for opening apps
<Seveas> on the forums, you can find an editor
<dmoyne> I mean with KDE no way to edit menus ! ; is there any fix ?
<membreya> Seveas: AFAIK that's for adding
<Seveas> search for 'punkass editor'
<xamdm> Ruby_, if  that worked try a /etc/init.d/gdm restart (for kubuntu its kdm)
<Amaranth> Seveas: bleh, that editor sucks :P
<Seveas> membreya, and editing your own additions :)
<Amaranth> Seveas: Give me 5 minutes and I'll have 0.3.1 of mine up. :)
<Seveas> Amaranth, nice :)
<membreya> ok Amaranth :D
<membreya> direct URL us :D
<Myrtti> Amaranth: is that downloadable and installable already?
<Seveas> if you create a .deb i'll put it in my repository :)
<nmoore> anyone using kolivas kernel patches?
<Amaranth> Myrtti: Old versions are.
<Amaranth> Seveas: It's a deb, yes. :)
<Myrtti> Amaranth: plz.
<Myrtti> :-)
<DemisM> how can I view my dvds?
<Myrtti> we want the new one
<New2ubuntu> iTunes on my windows machines created a bloody mess! All of my MP3's are in folder after folder of layered by album, band and track name then finally the actual music.  Is there a Linux MP3 player that can handle this, or will I have to go through each folder and just copy the mp3?
<membreya> hurry up Amaranth hurry up
<DemisM> do i need to install some codecs?
<Seveas> Amaranth, if it's < 10mb, please mail it to dennis@kaarsemaker.net
<Ruby_> okxamdm, thanks... going to try... all lower case yeah?
<Amaranth> Seveas: ha, i don't think it goes over 500k
<dmoyne> so apparently either with Gnome or KDE noway to edit menus !
<nvashi2> HappyPills: I was thinking of installing my motorala wpc1810g wireless
<Seveas> nice!
<brion> New2ubuntu: rhythmbox should be fine with that
<xamdm> DemisM, libdvdcss, just google for it
<Daehlie> DemisM:sudo apt-get install vlc & apt-get install vlc-gtk
<HappyPills> nvashi2, The only reason I had issues was because the version of ndiswrapper installed by Ubuntu didn't run my excel wireless card
<membreya> done yet Amaranth ? :)
<codemarauder> I tried installing ubuntu. But was not able to login after the install. Then I had to reboot the system and login to single user mode. I edited the passwd and shadow file and reset the passwd for root and the user that i created at the time of install.
<HappyPills> I had to upgrade to 1.1, which was a pain
<codemarauder> Is this a known bug?
<nvashi2> piPoint why you change your runlevel from the default of 2
<Amaranth> membreya: not quite :P
<dmoyne> another bug I have the sound when entering a Gnome session but not with KDE session so with the KDE sound module of KDE control center I can play sound !
<membreya> well hurry up!
<Mestapheles> hey guys I'm stuck somewhere between a warty and hoary dist-upgrade.  I'm having dep conflicts, and apt-get -f install reports "error [1] "  Might this simply be a matter of waiting it out?
<Seveas> codemarauder, it is known that you cannot login as root, that is NOTABUG
<geneo91> lost a hub
<Seveas> not being able to login as the user you created must mean you mispelled the password
<codemarauder> Seveas, but i was not able to login with the user passwd that i set
<codemarauder> Seveas, that's why i had to login in the bad way
<codemarauder> Seveas, and this has happened every time i tried installing ubuntu
<nvashi2> HappyPills: that is understandable .. you had to do it from source [ndiswrapper] ?
<Seveas> codemarauder, that IS weird, please file a bug
<HappyPills> yup
<nvashi2> kewl
<codemarauder> i just wanted to confirm whether this happened with others also?
<HappyPills> but I had to install a whole heap of crap first, check out the ndiswrapper section of the Ubuntu unofficial faq if you are having issues
<codemarauder> Seveas,
<dwa_> hey garrut
<nvashi2> I palan on looking at that b4 I put my wireless card in
<geneo91> nite all
<nvashi2> Geneo91: cya
<andreas_> Does anyone know how to change locales?
<nvashi2> the crew is almost all here
<DemisM> none of the repositories have the dvd codecs and avi codecs?
<xamdm> andreas_, dpkg-reconfigure locales
<andreas_> thanks
<xamdm> np
<nvashi2> DemisM you can use olge /ogle-gui that is what I use to watch dvds
<nmoore> DemisM: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
<nvashi2> works great
<xamdm> DemisM, maybe jo have to download libdvdcss
<rb2k> hi guys
<nvashi2> and yes you will have to get liddvdcss
<DemisM> oh ok
<nvashi2> libdvdcss
<nvashi2> cause even ogl has that as a depends
<waxhead> hi everyone
<rb2k> hi
<nvashi2> hey
<pinPoint> did i screw up something
<pinPoint> no more sound at startup
<DemisM> do the debian pkgs work on ubuntu for libdvdcss?
<pinPoint> and i have to type startx everytime
<xamdm> DemisM, http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/ just download the .deb files and install them with dpkg -t file-name
<pinPoint> runlevel is 5
<Amaranth> Seveas, membreya, Myrtti: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390
<membreya> champ :)
<nvashi2> ah what did you change other than stuff in xmms??
<dmoyne> when trying to install kdm as a replacement for gdm with "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" after this action has no effect at all what is wrong ?
<Myrtti> Amaranth: *kiss* on the cheek
<waxhead> there's something on the unbuntu wiki that covers installing that stuff...
<Amaranth> It took me 10 minutes but who is counting? :)
<membreya> Amaranth: I'm impressed..it installed :)
<xamdm> dmoyne, also after a rebbot, did jou do a /etc/init.d/gdm stop ??
<Amaranth> I blame it on you guys asking me so many times. :P
<nmoore> do ubuntu apply any patches to the default kernel?
<pinPoint> nvashi2: i removed some stuff in synaptics not sure what sound stuff
<Amaranth> membreya: Hopefully it'll do more but that's all I ever test. :P
<Myrtti> ok, I'll mail myself that URL so I wont forget it
<pinPoint> nvashi2: i cant test sound anymore
<nvashi2> dmoyne: why change from gdm it is better [and I like kde and use it but use gdm] 
<pinPoint> i used to hear a beeeep but now its quiet
<membreya> Amaranth: ya it works :) but I was impressed it installed on my amd64 :)
<Initri> ::raises hand::
<Amaranth> membreya: Check your system tools menus.
<Amaranth> membreya: It's Python, it works anywhere Python does. :)
<Initri> I'm baaaaaack. :P -- anyone know the proper boot: sequence to make Ubuntu recognize a Fasttrack TX2100 raid controller (crap, I know.. but still, it's something!)
<nvashi2> ah now that was a bad mistake pinPoint if you remove stuff at least write it down if you are not sure you need it
<rb2k> got some problems with the current Ubuntu and Kubuntu previews... can't get X running
<dmoyne> to xamdm what do you mean with this "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" ! ; this command "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" is not supposed to do the job ?
<rb2k> only a black screen
<Amaranth> pinPoint: In a terminal run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
<rb2k> any known bug? (including a workarround *g*)
<rb2k> << Laptop with Ati GFX Chip
<xamdm> dmoyne, if jou don't reboot, gdm won't be stoped bevore nstall of kdm, so just stop it and start it with /etc/init.d/kdm start
<membreya> Amaranth: now get cpan to install ipnetv4 :)
<xamdm> dmoyne, the dpkg-... just makes kdm default
<dmoyne> to xamdm : ok I try !
<xamdm> dmoyne, that stops the complete x session !!
<xamdm> dmoyne, di it from a shell as root
<Amaranth> membreya: ?
<rempresent> need help real fast...
<xamdm> rempresent, just ask
<HappyPills> yaya. Anyone know of a decent graphical Fserving program? Or do I have to use wine and sysreset =P
<rempresent> i can't play a .wmv file in xine or vlc or totem... what can i use instead
<clx> hi all
<rempresent> i just thought that i would be polite before blabbing
<xamdm> rempresent, jou just need the w32-codecs and installt totem-xine
<clx> people, can you show for me your sources.list?
<clx> in private please
<HappyPills> oooh, I havn't tried playing .wmv's yet
<Amaranth> rempresent: WMV3 (made with WMP 9 or 10) is very spotty. Have you installed ffmpeg and/or w32codecs?
<rempresent> where can you get the w32-codecs from
<Gecko> Hello. I have a problem. I am running hoary on an amd64 laptop, with an ati radeon mobility 9700. Yesterday I tried to compileol a new kernel, 2.6.11.4, using mostly the same configuration as the binary kernel bundled with Ubuntu, which is found in the /boot/config-* files. So I compiled the kernel using the debian tool (make-kpkg) and everything seemed fine, but when I tried to boot it, my screen went blank. Any clues to what could be wrong?
<rempresent> no... can i do that with synaptic
<nvashi2> hooray my warty to hoary upgrade is complete
<rempresent> or "tec...
<brion> Anybody using the php4 packages? Anybody had problems with scripts accessing files since the March 18 security update, even with safe_mode *off*?
<Yldthing> i like vlc more than mplayer...but mplayer seems to be able to play more types of files
<Amaranth> Gecko: Use grub to boot the kernel that came with hoary.
<xamdm> rempresent, jou can get the codecs at the mplayer-homepage
<Amaranth> Gecko: Why are you compiling your own kernel?
<rempresent> xamdm i don't use mplayer
<HostingGeek> I hope everyone is drinking bear as told
<nico|m> hi! i'm having problems with k3b on ubuntu hoary: k3bsetup is broken, and I can't burn mp3 files anymore :-(
<xamdm> rempresent, they just have the codecs :-)
<xamdm> rempresent, just extract them to /usr/lib/win32
<dmoyne> to xamdm : it dit not work for kdm but it had an interesting sideeffect : it brought back sound to KDE whenopening and closing !
<HostingGeek> even if that means we have a channel full of drunks
<HappyPills> nup wmv's don't work in totem and in vlc I just get sound =)
<nvashi2> ah I am dring jack daniels
<membreya> Amaranth: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=98973
<Gecko> Amaranth: Because to run the fglrx module, you need to have agpgart as a module as well, and all the Ubuntu kernels are with agpgart compiled in
<waxhead> totem just core dumps on my system...
<rempresent> thanks
<xamdm> dmoyne, strange, just tryed to uninstall gdm ??
<HappyPills> nvashi2, Drink Wild Turkey instead
<waxhead> gmplayer does it all for me these days
<Amaranth> Gecko: ubuntu has a package to install fglrx
<nvashi2> hehe wild turkey is nice too but this jack is 30 years old
<Gecko> Amaranth: yes. The module itself. But that doesn't work very well
<dmoyne> to xamdm : you with get rid of it !
<xamdm> is there a fglrx-pakage in warty ??, just need it tomorrow...
<Amaranth> membreya: meh, no clue.
<membreya> nvashi2: ..mix it with coke :)
<Amaranth> xamdm: yeah
<HappyPills> gmplayer... got a repository for it?
<xamdm> Amaranth, thx
<waxhead> hmmm
<rempresent> xamdm what is the terminal command then for the extraction
<membreya> Amaranth: your programming skills have left me sad :P
<HappyPills> You don't mix 30 year old bourbon!
<Amaranth> membreya: I'm a Python programmer. :P
<xamdm> rempresent, just install unp with apt-get install unp, and then run unp filename
* brion wanders off to report bug
<rempresent> xamdm what is unp
<nvashi2> I was not going to reply to that
<xamdm> rempresent, then jou can move the folder to usr /lib/win32 with "sudo mv foleder /usr/lib/win32"
<xamdm> rempresent, unp is a scripped that can handel any unpacker
<rempresent> alright, i hear ya
<nvashi2> would be ruining the flavor
<waxhead> HappyPills, this is what I did: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<nvashi2> I am savoring the flavor
<Initri> Did anyone catch my Promise question ? - I've started the install process, but it doesn't seem to detect the RAID (FastTrack TX2/100) - and shows each device as a seperate IDE entity.  Ideas ?
<waxhead> anyone got an ATI radeon video card working on warty?
<xamdm> Initri, the Raid-feature is not in kernel 2.6, so badluck :-), promise has no driver for kernel 2.6
<Initri> Crap card anyway..
<Initri> Hmm.
<xamdm> Initri, any distro with kernel 2.4 should work, sorry
<Initri> Since it won't recognize the 'hardware' RAID, will it be ok to use each IDE device seperately as though it was just a regular HDD controller ?
<xamdm> Initri, ore buy a 3ware raid-controller as i did :-)
<rempresent> what is the command that you can type to kind of clean up your system from junk
<HappyPills> waxhead, thanks
<Initri> -- i.e., I know the promise controllers are 'software'.
<nvashi2> waxhead I had the old ati 128 pro ultra te working but have not tried my radeon on there
<xamdm> Initri, the promise is a SOftware-raid
<Initri> I have a 3Ware Escalade in my desktop machine. :)
<rempresent> and how can i uninstall apps that i don't use easily, maybe even graphically
<pinPoint> Amaranth: thanks, ubuntu-desktop got it
<xamdm> rempresent, synaptoc
<dmoyne> to xamdm : funny I got rid of gdm but my logging manager is not kdm still the same that I thought was gdm ; how to know about the name of this one ?
<pinPoint> mp3 music and streams are working
<HostingGeek> 'synaptic'
<xamdm> rempresent, just search the ap and choose uninstall :-)
<Initri> Xamdm:  But it shouldn't be a problem ignoring it and just each device as if it were a normal HDD controller, correct ?
<nvashi2> pinPoint you still need to make note of stuff you uninstall
<pinPoint> ya
<Ubunovice> How do I make ubuntu recognize my monitor so I may have normal refresh rates?
<xamdm> Initri, jes, ther is also a projekt that tries to get tat to work, just forgot the name
<waxhead> nvashi2, I had it going on a Radeon 9600 on mandrake, but it was using xfree86 so wasn't so bad... but I haven't seen much on Xorg... was hoping someone mighth ave done it.. or had a link
<xamdm> Initri, it trys to handel the controller via lvm , just google a little while
<Initri> I'm not too worried about.. even linux-based software raid is better than nothing.
<xamdm> dmoyne, ist it kde 3.4 ??, KDM is able to use scinns the :-)
<Pointwood> I just upgraded to hoary and now sound in mplayer and vlc doesn't work - anyone got a hint?
<pinPoint> heh
<HappyPills> oh, I already have w32codecs installed...
<xamdm> dmoyne, do jou have the shutdown ore reboot option in kde-logoff ??, then it should be KDM :-)
<xamdm> dmoyne, can't test just swithed to gnome when i installed ubuntu, its faster ...
<pinPoint> nvashi2: do you get laggy sound on xine
<pinPoint> like audio out of sync
<dmoyne> to xamdm : yes it is KDE 3.4 ; my option when logging off is I can restart ; what is scinns ?
<pinPoint> on dvd
<Pointwood> vlc gives me the following errors:
<Pointwood> [00000297]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
<Pointwood> [00000297]  main audio output error: couldn't find a filter for the conversion
<Pointwood> [00000297]  main audio output error: couldn't set an output pipeline
<HappyPills> how do I update the locate repository?
<xamdm> dmoyne, jou removed gdm ??
<nvashi2>  ok going to reboot to see how my upgrade to hoary went brb
<waxhead> HappyPills, what do you mean?
<New2ubuntu> how is everybody this fine evening?
<xamdm> dmoyne, did jou try to reboot ??
<dmoyne> yes I did but I will reckeck no I can !
<HappyPills> locate -u /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db
<membreya> hmmm so all I need to do to change to kubuntu is apt-get install kubuntu-desktop huh :)
<HappyPills> I think it's that line
<membreya> what are peoples opinions of kubuntu ?
<HappyPills> seems to be doing something
<waxhead> HappyPills, oh irght... try sudo updatedb &
<nvashi2> pinpoint: it does that somethings that why I moved back to xmms and I got my default cd player to work in warty as well to see if it was the app
<dmoyne> to xamdm : gdm out !
<nvashi2> rebootingnow see you guys in a minute
<HappyPills> waxhead, oops, I leapt first =P
<waxhead> HappyPills, then you have to wait for it up finish as it will lock the locate database
<eSPete> how do i write to my hd from the 4.10 live cd_
<HappyPills> yep
<HappyPills> and it has 120 gb's to index
* HappyPills waits patiently
<xamdm> dmoyne, if jou do a ctral+alt+f1, an run ther a /etc/init.dgdm stop, and then just type kdm what happens ??
<gyo_mac> hi all
<dmoyne> to xamdm : I try and come back
<gyo_mac> Is there a tool under macos9 to calculate md5sums ?
<HappyPills> oooh, netlimiter... any decent linux equivalents? (It limits download/upload bandwidth on an application level)
<DemisM> do you guys think the best install would be just base install and from there install the rest?
<dmoyne> to xamdm : nothing special : I mean no error message on exec !
<dmoyne> to xamdm : should I reboot no I do not see why this would cure the problem !
<xamdm> did, kdm startup ??
<omniscient> do the ubuntu forums have a link to like a page of unanswered threads like what linuxquestions has?
<xamdm> dmoyne, if got the strange feeling that gdm doesn't et stopped ...
<xamdm> get i meant
<sabmoc|sleeping> DarthFrog, poing!
<dmoyne> to xamdm : simply it has been removed !
<sabmoc|sleeping> wake up! its 2am!
<sabmoc|sleeping> woot!
<sabmoc|sleeping> omg, need sleep
<xamdm> dmoyne, but it seemed to be running ore am i wrong ??
<dmoyne> to xamdm : ok I see what you mean it is removed from HD but maybe still running in memory ; so if I reboot this problem should definetly be cleared !
<eSPete> is there a way to restore deleted files from a live cd?
<xamdm> dmoyne, yes, i also hate rebooting linux, but sometimes nothing else helps
<dmoyne> to xamdm : you say it I do it ; I rebbot and come back but with no real hope !
<membreya> does anyone have a link to some screenshots for kubuntu????
<xamdm> membreya, lokks like any other KDE-distro ??
<Tomcat_> Look at screenies of KDE 3.4... that's it. :)
<Tomcat_> It doesn't even have an Ubuntu-like theme. :o
<dmoyne> to xamdm : my display manager when logging is not gdm but neither kdm otherwise it has changed a lot !!
<xamdm> dmoyne, simple grey ??, than it is xdm, hm
<gyo_mac> I have downloaded a ubuntu livecd hoary for ppc, the livecd seems to block on the languages settings process, it is normal ?
<membreya> ok xamdm :)
<dmoyne> to xamdm : it is blue wiwth simply a box for name and password and an icon like enter keyboard key to enter session when clicking on it !
<xamdm> dmoyne, shure that it is not a bad-configured kdm ??
<kalis> any Swedes in here?
<foobarishness> Not that I can see
<eSPete> i'm danish
<foobarishness> Australian
<dmoyne>  to xamdm : if I do "dpkg-reconfigure xdm" in root mode it says xdm not installed !
<xamdm> dmoyne, ps -ax, ist there a kdm-prozess ??
<kalis> the thing is that i am still struggling to get all my files and folders on my w2k serve to act as supposed. The share is mounted from fstab.
<kalis> so i would really have neede a swede in here ;)
<Yldthing> lol i've been so lazy....haven't even touched fstab....everytime i boot i just type sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/c -t vfat
<xamdm> isn't ther a swedish chaneel #ubuntu-?? available ??
<kalis> Yldthing, i am mounting 6 different w2k SMB shares from fstab at boot
<garrut> is anyone in here running valknut?
<dmoyne> to xamdm : I see qmgr and kded !
<Yldthing> oh
<Yldthing> well, that might be a pain to type each time ;)
<xamdm> dmoyne, back in five minutes, ill try to install kdm...
<kalis> Yldthing, yes it is ;)
<dmoyne> to xamdm : ok I wait
<Yldthing> i should sit down and memorize fstab syntax sometime...
<membreya> hmmmm stupid question, but with kubuntu, can i continue to use my apps like tvtime, thunderbird and galeon?
<garrut> Yldthing: something like /dev/hda1 /mnt/c vfat defaults 0 0
<Yldthing> yeah
<Yldthing> i was told somewhere that it needs to be defaults 000 0 because each 0 is a bit
<xamdm> dmoyne, the blue thing has a kubuntu slogan in the right corner ??, that is kdm
<Yldthing> <shrug>
<Yldthing> i also wanna map network drives with samba
<brion> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8051
<xamdm> dmoyne, just try the kcontro to change the layout of KDM
<Yldthing> but i'll figure it out some other time....too tired to read
<quar> how can i kill giftd?
<quar> killall -9 giftd doesnt seem to work
<dmoyne> to xamdm : yes it has a kubuntu slogan in the right corner but with kcontrol I was supposed to have another design ! ; I will try to see what happens when reinstalling the watch !
<Sonium> how can I list the processes running under a given user name?
<Yldthing> ps -e  ?
<sabmoc|sleeping> hi jbailey
<jbailey> hi sabmoc|sleeping
<sabmoc> jbailey, so are you really really busy?
<xamdm> dmoyne, the blue-thing is kdm
<jbailey> sabmoc: At this exact moment, no.  I'm contemplating going back to bed.
<quar> How can i kill a running proccess?
<quar> is there some kind of task manager with a GUI?
<xamdm> gnome-sessions-manager
<dmoyne> to xamdm : then the designthrogh kcontrol is not related to it whatsoever as it has no impact at all !!!!
<membreya> hrm, according to http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php I should just need to type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I'm getting package not found
<quar> xamdm, I dont have that bin?
<dmoyne> to xamdm : can you please try to tailor ir through kcontrol in root mode ?
<xamdm> dmoyne, i opend kcontrole if jou look there to the wallpaper joul see that it matches
<quar> So no one can tell me how to kill a process?
<Amaranth> quar: xkill
<membreya> quar: find its PID
<dmoyne> to xamdm : yes but this is the only thing that works all other features are not relevant !
<deFrysk> quar killall <whatever process>
<quar> tried that
<deFrysk> what process is it ?
<Amaranth> Applications->System Tools->System Monitor (at least in hoary)
<garrut> kill -9 <pid>
<Amaranth> it might be a zombie
<quar> all it did is make more processes with a <defunct> flag?
<Amaranth> defunct is zombie
<Amaranth> you'll have to wait for init to clear them or reboot
<xamdm> quar its gnome-system-monito sorry
<deFrysk> simply use top
<quar> the system monitor wont kill em either?
<Amaranth> nope
<quar> top didnt display them
<Amaranth> it's just a fancy ps and kill wrapper
<quar> killall -9 giftd doesnt even work???
<Amaranth> defunct means you can't kill it
<quar> so wtf?
<Amaranth> init will have to clear it out or you'll have to reboot
<quar> thats stupid
<Amaranth> init should clear it out eventually, it might just take 24 hours :P
<Amaranth> *shrug* that's just how it works
<Amaranth> someone tried to explain it to me once and i ran away
<quar> so i have to reboot to fix something, this is sounding allot like another OS i know of ;)
<Amaranth> quar: actually...
<Amaranth> quar: log out and back in :)
<topyli> hrm. an upgrade touched xorg.conf, setting DefaultDepth to 1, thus breaking X. this is the second box where it happened.
<quar> yea last couple upgrades screwed me up as well, im scared to upgeade this clean install now
<Burgundavia> topyli: you filed a bug for that>'
<topyli> Burgundavia: not initially, but seeing it on two different boxen i may have to :)
<andreas_> Anyone here from Denmark?
<garrut> topyli: i think it already is
<andreas_> I need some help
<quar> aww i figured it out, they all had a parent process
<topyli> garrut: you mean it's already reported?
<garrut> i think so
* topyli makes a bugzilla search
<garrut> read something somewhere about that this week anyway :)
<andreas_> Damn kubuntu!
<dmoyne> to xamdm : I tried to install xdm and install it as a replacement and I still have the same logging manager that is not kdm for me but a default screen mana !ger
<quar> dmoyne, try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
<andreas_> Would almost wish i had a Windows
<xamdm> dmoyne, the blue thing is KDM !!!
<jsgotangco> nyaahha
<xamdm> dmoyne, kde3.4 gave kdm a themeengine
<xamdm> but kcontrol isnt able to contole it for now ...
<dmoyne> to xamdm : so you think it might be affected by theme !
<andreas_> Can someone please help me? I am really hung up here
<xamdm> andreas_, whats the problem ??
<xamdm> dmoyne, shure
<andreas_> xamdm> After installing Kubuntu I cannot get my danish letters back and i am going nuts
<dmoyne> to xamdm : you see this does not explain why when installing another logging manager you still have no other choice !!!!
<xamdm> dmoyne, just try /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then run /etc/init.dwahtever start, for me that works.
<andreas_> dpkg-reconfigure locales does not help even though i have set the three DK thingies as the only ones
<Fackamato> hm, my gnome has fucked up
<Fackamato> whenever I start it, it says "panel is already started, so I'm quitting" like 6 times
<Fackamato> then I get no panels, no desktop
<Fackamato> can't do shit, do I control+alt+backspace
<Fackamato> and I'm there again, after I login ;(
<Fackamato> I'm in xfce now
<Ruby> hey guys... i need some help... i installed ubuntu and now i get a black screen on X start... some one here told me to change my driver from vm to vesa or something like that, but i cant seem to get to these configurations... anyone can help?
<Fackamato> Ruby: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or X(tab)
<Ruby> i just write that down in the command line?
<Fackamato> ?
<Fackamato> that's the file you're looking for
<Fackamato> edit it
<Ruby> how? :P
<Ruby> vi it?
<Fackamato> whatever editor you want
<waxhead> ok.. what's the go with burning music CD's on ubuntu?
<Fackamato> you need to be root or su
<Fackamato> waxhead: k3b or something
<Ruby> ok... and what driver do i set? vesa?
<waxhead> Fackamato, so nothing gnome based in the repositorys?
<waxhead> k3b the only way to go?
<Fackamato> waxhead: there's something
<Fackamato> gnometoaster or something
<Fackamato> don't recall exactly
<Fackamato> but k3b is very good imo
<garrut> has anyone tried nero linux?
<onkarshinde> Anybody using torrent for hoary preview? How many seeders are there?
<sii> does ubuntu have anything like packages.debian.org?
<Ruby> ow, yeah, Fackamato, can i edit it using a Live CD?
<Fackamato> yes
<Fackamato> sii what do you mean?
<Fackamato> package search online?
<Ruby> thank you very much :D
<Fackamato> not that I know of - use apt-cache search
<Fackamato> np
<Ruby> im going to try...
<sii> Fackamato: yupp, exactly
<Ruby> bb
<sii> Fackamato: apt-cache search doesn't cut it
<scandium> sii, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<Dudu678> hello, i have a question about smbmount
<scandium> let's you search hoary and warty
<sii> scandium: ah, great, thanks
<dmoyne>  to xamdm : try to install gdm as a replacement and telle me if you succeed ?
<xf_> howdy; is building a hoary cd via jigdo (which i assume is possible) recommended, or is using one of the pre-produced iso's much preferred?
<kain> xf_, there are a certain number of updates since hoary release
<heatwave> xf_: just go for the torrent :)
<kain> so be prepared
<KarlosII> how do i get the screen resolution option to use 100 mhz
<xamdm> dmoyne, works fine, didn't need to remvoe it to get kdm work ;-)
<kent> does this meen my harddisk is about to blow? : hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } [...]  ide: failed opcode was: unknow
<xf_> heh just found my local isp is mirroring the hoary prerelease iso, so i'll grab that
<kain> kent, most likely yes, save your data and buy a new one
<xf_> many people install ubuntu via jigdo/debootstrap methods?
<xf_> did a warty installation via debootstrap the other day, worked reasonably well minus a few hiccups
<dmoyne>  to xamdm : you mean you could install something different from what we call "kdm" ?
<kent> kain, hmm. The strange thing is that this computer (its my brothers actually) had a harddisk that went nuts a week ago. This is a new harddisk. Perhaps its the mainboard?
<xamdm> dmoyne, yes
<xamdm> dmoyne, easely
<kain> can be a bunch of things
* KarlosII wants to get ubuntu to allow a refresh rate of 100 mhz as a screen resolution option
<dmoyne>  to xamdm : I have just re-installed gdm ; I will check what happens and report back to you.
<KarlosII> anyone know how?
<HostingGeek> KarlosII: edit xorg.conf
<KarlosII> HostingGeek, well it says it should be using it
<KarlosII> http://www.pastebin.com/261273
* KarlosII has a 21 inc monitor I need 100 :)
<membreya> does anyone know how I install kubuntu-desktop ?
<syltty> Does anybody how to get 'esddsp skype' to work in Hoary ?
<nvashi> well all my screen setting have dropped down to 1024*768
<scandium> syltty, if you find out, please tell me..having the same problem here
* KarlosII tries to figure out modelines for his comp
<nvashi> installing hoary on another PC to seehow my wireless will fair on it
<syltty> scandium:not much luck finding solution. I guess I have to wait for next skype version
<nvashi> so far looking like I will be doing what you did HappyPills
<Dudu678> does any body know why when i mount by using smbmount i get strange characters in file names, but when i do it in konqueror using smb:// i see everything ok?
<scandium> syltty, I can get sound working (also recording using gnome's sound recorder) but skype is just silent...I hope they implement native alsa support soon, their FAQ has that item for a long time promising "in the future"
<scandium> but that's the deal with non-free software ;p
<gilles> the install on a laptop "acer travelmate 230" doesn't work well, the pb concerns xorg, apparently the computer doesn't support depth 24, and i have to chose depth 16. why doesn't ubuntu hoary preview doesn't recognize that ?
<Gecko> Hey, is there any smart way of making an initrd image in ubuntu?
<membreya> mkinitrd?
<quar> howcome when i try to stream using the music player it says theres no application for handling mpeg? I have mplayer? what other packages do i need to stream mpeg?
<membreya> :)
<Gecko> membreya, well, that requires me to specify each and every module to load
<quar> anyone?
<quar> whta packages do i need to stream radio stations using the mplayer in hoary?
<heatwave> quar: youre using xmms?
<HappyPills> huh... I saw my name.
<HappyPills> ndiswrapper stuff?
* KarlosII does a google for KarlosII and finds things in logs that he said 2 years ago :)
<quar> heatwave, no the music player
* KarlosII rotflol
* heatwave does a google for his nick and finds all sorts of unrelevant stuff
* dwa_ does a google for porn and is having a blast
<garrut> wonder why...
<heatwave> quar: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-misc gstreamer0.8-a52dec gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gstreamer0.8-mad gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec
<dwa_> zweeeeeeeeeeets
<heatwave> then restart rhythmbox (the music player) and try again
<nvashi> HappyPills: I am using my primary PC [nvashi2 is 2nd PC]  and yes ndiswrapper may be for me as well
<quar> heatwave, all of those?
<quar> screw it ill use xmms
<heatwave> quar: yes, theyre just plugins though
<heatwave> quar: wont take up your cpu/mem or anything
<HappyPills> yep. it's a painful experience alright...
<HappyPills> anyway, what graphical ftp browser would people say has the closest look to Filezilla?
<nvashi> HappyPills: that why I am doing it on one other 4 PCs I have laying around 1st
<heatwave> HappyPills: i dont use ftp, only sftp, but i hear gftp is good (also supports sftp btw)
* deFrysk likes gftp
* membreya only knows either ftp of gftp :)
<HappyPills> yep. was having some issues installing gftp
<deFrysk> or using the ftp connector of nautilus
<HappyPills> maybe I'll try wine with filezilla =P
<dmoyne> to xamdm : ok you were wright it was kdm with a funny look that does not fit kcontrol tailoring features ! ; thanks a lot for your help ; that will be all for a while ; when changing logging manager you have to reboot which I did not ! ; thanks again.
<ruffian> Hi
<ruffian> i am having problem with my sound server
<dwa_> tell us about it
<ruffian> after login in, i get the following message
<HappyPills> oh wow. Nautilus handles it pretty well
<ruffian> device /dev/dsp can't be oped (Permission denied)
<deFrysk> HappyPills, nautilus rules
<dwa_> copy that
<ruffian> The sound server will continue, using the null output device
<mjr> ruffian, you're not in the audio group, fix that
<ruffian> ah i see
<membreya> wb Echylo :)
<Echylo> :)
<Echylo> I don't stay for long
<Echylo> need to study math:)
<membreya> bah
<membreya> where's math get you
<dwa_> good programming skills...
<membreya> all you need to know in life is that "the man" will always screw you over
<ruffian> Hmm, i did system -> User and groups -> select username -> User privileges -> select 'Use audio devices'
<ruffian> Still not working?
<dwa_> did you restart gnome?
<ruffian> no
<ruffian> hang on i will do that
<ruffian> brb
<dwa_> OK
* membreya is taking the plunge and installing kubuntu :)
<dwa_> why?
<membreya> eye candy :)
<dwa_> why don't you just install kde?
<sylvesterxxl> hi
<deFrysk> -eyecandy +bloat
<membreya> sorry, there was a macintosh running osX at work today...
<deFrysk> dwa kununtu-desktop is the meta pack for kde
<dwa_> i know
<dwa_> but if one says he's going to install kubuntu i'm thinking reinstall
<dwa_> and that's not nessecary
<membreya> nope, dwa_ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
<membreya> hooray for hoary
<sylvesterxxl> how viewing divx in ubuntu and mp3?
<dwa_> good luck membreya :) i'm sticking with my gnome
<HostingGeek> Who here likes clearlooks and wants to give their opinions on how stuff should look please /msg me
<dwa_> omg hostinggeek is back
<membreya> dwa_: I'm getting a new 200gb sata in 2 weeks and reinstalling ubuntu :) if i don't like kubuntu it's no huge issue
<HostingGeek> dwa_: no i haven't left
<dwa_> kde is just as good as gnome membreya
<sylvesterxxl> im new in ubuntu ... how can i see divx films and best program for listening mp3?
<HostingGeek> The devels current need more people than me and 2 other to say what looks good and what looks bad
<membreya> dwa_: but prettier :)
<dwa_> it's just a matter of taste
<dwa_> i disagree
<dwa_> gnome looks prettier :)
<mjr> sylvesterxxl, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<HostingGeek> GNOME looks more proforsanal
<KarlosII> sylvesterxxl, speaking which, my freaking totem player in ubuntu hoary plays sound and no video with just the visualizations showing :/
<KarlosII> HostingGeek, agreed
<membreya> looks more what now? oooh you meant professional
<dwa_> hehe
<waxhead> sylvesterxxl, I followed this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<Echylo> clearlooks is just fine HostingGeek  ;)
<membreya> HostingGeek: there's a great applet for gnome with a dictionary...it holds immense value :)
<sylvesterxxl> thanks all
<HostingGeek> Ok still looking for 2 people to give their opinions
<HostingGeek> they will show you mock ups and ask for a yes or no
<Seveas> HostingGeek, opinions about what?
<Echylo> the theme
<Echylo> clearlooks
<Echylo> I adore the olive one btw :p
<Seveas> ah
<KarlosII> what is clearlooks?
<Seveas> I am just dist-upgrading to hoary, so no clearlooks for me yet...
<Echylo> omg
<Echylo> clearlooks = THEME
<mjr> KarlosII, when that happens, you simply don't have the appropriate gstreamer video codec
<HostingGeek> Ok if anyone does join #clearlooks on gimpnet
<KarlosII> mjr, heh
<HostingGeek> Echylo: Wrong!
<Echylo> damn
<HostingGeek> clearlooks == engine
<Echylo> :p
<Echylo> well
<KarlosII> HostingGeek, huh waa???
<Echylo> how do you call the theme then?
<dwa_> who cares HostingGeek
<HostingGeek> then there is also a clearlooks metacity
<Echylo> dwa_ you're not really friendly eh,
<KarlosII> mjr, I just installed the totem xine and now it works
<mjr> yes, that'll play some things that the gstreamer variant won't
* mjr would like an mpeg4 gstreamer codec though, from somewhere :)
<KarlosII> :>
<sylvesterxxl> how access to irchispano org?
<HostingGeek> Hmm no one cares enough about clearlooks to join the channel?
<HostingGeek> clearlooks == ubuntu hoary default engine
<membreya> default?
<sylvesterxxl> how can acsess to irc hispano?
<Echylo> is there a sort of mixing program for ubuntu like pcdj for windows?
<SlackShrike> How-To upgrade the kernel of ubuntu-live-i386-hoary ?
<nvashi> HostingGeek: just installing hoary so can't give an opinion yet
<KarlosII> hoary is awesome
<KarlosII> nopw if only i could get 100 resfresh rates
<nvashi> hehe
<sylvesterxxl> when i start ubuntu it says something about no pnpbios? but the rest loads ok and computer seems to work fine ...
<KarlosII> no plug n play bios
<sylvesterxxl> whats pnpbios?
<SlackShrike> How-To upgrade the kernel of ubuntu-live-i386-hoary ?
<KarlosII> u must have it disabled if it's a recent board
<KarlosII> SlackShrike, WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
<Seveas> KarlosII, please keep it down on the caps...
<HostingGeek> nvashi: come and look at the screenys
<sylvesterxxl> pnpbios is the responsible to detect printer webcam and usb devices?
<SlackShrike> How-To upgrade the kernel of ubuntu-live-i386-hoary ?
<nvashi> ok
<GarySaved> I see 'Ubuntu Live' avalible in the list of packages.  What is that for?
<nvashi> where at?
<HostingGeek> nvashi: when you see the first one you will automaticly install clearlooks first
<KarlosII> SlackShrike, WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
<HostingGeek> nvashi: #clearlooks on irc.gimpnet.net
<HostingGeek> nvashi: #clearlooks on irc.gimp.org
<membreya> in kubuntu now :)
<nvashi> will come with my alter nvashi2
<supos> When I try to start Firefox on Hoary all I get is "bus error" and then it quits. Has anyone experienced this?
<GarySaved> Does that allow me to make a live disk specific to my machine's hardware?
<sylvesterxxl> it is a recent board but when it loads ubuntu says nopnpbios ... what is the function of pnpbios? how to make it works fine?
<mjr> KarlosII, sylvesterxxl, in case you're interested, in this thread there are instructions on getting a gstreamer-ffmpeg (divx/etc) codec: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-223.html
<KarlosII> mjr, I yeah i realized after
<jazzka> hi!
<KarlosII> SlackShrike whem i will upgarde the kernel, acoPortuguese <-0---- someone who speaks portugese help this dude
<VladDrac> I wonder if I should upgrade my sarge to hoary...
<jazzka> any web browser for ubuntu not based on mozilla or gecko engine?
<GarySaved> VladDrac, I had Sarge, and switched.  This box has never worked as well.
<KarlosII> gecko engine is grreat
<sylvesterxxl> it is a recent board but when it loads ubuntu says nopnpbios ... what is the function of pnpbios? how to make it works fine?
<VladDrac> gary: as well as it did with sarge?
<Echylo> wb
<sylvesterxxl> my new board is asus p5p800
<GarySaved> VladDrac, MUCH better.  It detects everything on its own.  Debian never has never had that ability.
<VladDrac> gary ah ok
<VladDrac> well I love ubuntu on my laptop
<KarlosII> sylvesterxxl, that's a bios setting
<VladDrac> sarge runs fine on my desktop, so additional detection isn't really required
<SlackShrike> when I go to bring up to date kernel of live, it I say that he does not know which is kernel that he is bringing up to date.  He break!
<sylvesterxxl> how setting it?
<KarlosII> sylvesterxxl, I'm not the mobo manufacturer
<sylvesterxxl> ok
* KarlosII tunrs on his linux itunes
<membreya> gah, my system crashing is really giving me the irrits
<membreya> i blame reiserfs
<KarlosII> membreya, ehehhe I haven't seen a kernel panic ont his box in months :) of course the last time was when , messed up the kernel compile
<KarlosII> reiserfs has given me no issues and has in fact saved his sytem on occasion
<membreya> KarlosII: it's not that..just my system will freeze...but it won't :| it's weird it's usually when I access a web browser..but in kubuntu i was playing with power saving on the monitor and it locked
<membreya> weird thing is, the mouse still works
<membreya> i just can't do anything
<Myrtti> reiser is the spawn of the devil
<membreya> and then it takes ages for my grub to come up, like 5 - 10 seconds
<KarlosII> Myrtti, the best thing in the world :)
<Myrtti> reiser and fat16
<KarlosII> hmm sounds more like but maybe I'm wrong a hardware issue
<membreya> KarlosII: hdd is a SATA 120 western digital
<membreya> it's only started happening since I placed reiserfs on
* KarlosII drools that's on my todo list
<KarlosII> :)
<membreya> when I get my 200gb I'm going back to ext3
<KarlosII> and a 36 GB 10,000 rpm boot drive is too
<mjr> yah, I do recommend ext3 over reiserfs for stability
<membreya> i might keep reiserfs on my partition with my music videos though (40gb worth)
<mjr> though I usually mean the stability of the file system in the case that some stray bit is turned over there :)
<KarlosII> heh
<onkarshinde> What is min memory requirement for Ubuntu 5.04?
<KarlosII> 128 I think
<mjr> membreya, I'd convert that too; it's not like a typical music video storage gains anything from using reiserfs anyway
<membreya> mjr: isn't reiserfs only a poor fs with small files?
<mjr> membreya, actually, I think it rather shines (performance-wise) with lots of files, which are typically small
<mjr> ('cause, well, if there's lots of them, they can't be that large ;)
<ruffian> mjr: Thank you. That message has gone. Just sorting out the mp3 issue, so i can start playing songs :)
<membreya> i would do a convertfs back to ext3, but the last time I tried convertfs from ext3 to reiserfs my system died in the a$$
<mjr> and yeah, 128 megs seems to be a good realistic minimum for starting to enjoy using gnome, but Ubuntu can be used with less (though then you might want to use a lighter desktop, such as xcfe)
<mjr> membreya, haha, yes, I'd rather just copy the stuff over to the new 200 meg disk while it still fits, mke2fs and move the stuff back :)
<onkarshinde> Dows Ubuntu by default installs XFCE?
<membreya> 200meg? what sort of year are you living in mjr? :P
<lok> onkarshinde, no
<lok> you juste have to do an apt-get for get XFCE$
<mjr> membreya, umm, I said _gig_. Did anyone see me say meg? You're all hallucinating.
<membreya> lol :P
<mjr> yeah, not by default
<onkarshinde> lok: That is costly for me. I live in a country where brodband is still very expensive.
<membreya> lol my poor mouse, where my thumb sits I've worn away the rubber and it's down to plastic
<lok> onkarshinde, ubuntu install gnom then a greet dependency of xfce is with gtk so you don't have to dl a big stuff
<membreya> only had it a few months :P
<mjr> well; of course you _can_ use gnome with 2-figure amounts of memory, but then you'll have to flex your patience muscles
<lok> and you can also use gnome
<miniX> How i install my sound card ?
<membreya> stay or go Echylo :P
<Echylo> :D
<Echylo> should or should I go
<Echylo> :p
<Echylo> fucked up phrase again
<membreya> mwuahaha :D
<membreya> hey Quinn_Storm :)
<membreya> i scared him off :(
<Echylo> you scare everyone
<Echylo> not that surprising
<miniX> How i install my sound card ?
<Echylo> membreya help that miniX to proof you aren't mean
<miniX> o
<maddler> morning all
<membreya> open the computer and put the card in ? i don't know ..how do you mean "install" the sound card?
<New2ubuntu> good morrow Maddler
<New2ubuntu> where prey tell, do you hail from?
<supos> Anyone having problems with Firefox in Hoary? When I try to start it, it just fails with a "bus error"
<miniX> where can i get dc++ to linux ?
<suifur> miniX: sourceforge would be a good start... where the project is hosted...
<miniX> sourceforge = direct connect ?
<Echylo> no
<Echylo> you can get it there
<supos> noone? I need to firgure out if this is a Ubuntu issue or something else?
<supos> figure even
<mlambie> is there a way to clear the passwords stored with gnome keyring
<KarlosII> http://poptech.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-adblock-is-bad-for-free-internet.html <----- rotflo
<KarlosII> http://poptech.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-adblock-is-bad-for-free-internet.html <----- rotflol
<HostingGeek> <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Patch for PyXDG submitted upstream and to Ubuntu. :D
<HostingGeek> Guys there will be a menu editor!
<tuppa> hrm
<tuppa> is Firefox broken with anyone?
<Slashdotpimp> ahoy governors, hows the fucking kernel doing :)
<Amaranth> HostingGeek: They didn't accept it and the menu editor still might not make it into universe...
<tuppa> I can't seem to save any files by left-clicking on links
<supos> tuppa: is with me
<KarlosII> oooh
<KarlosII>  gah gah
<tuppa> cool, I'm not alone
* tuppa submits a bug into bugzilla
<HostingGeek> Amaranth: cont. work on the editor and hope PyXDG will be fix on time
<supos> tuppa: do you get "bus error" too?
<tuppa> no bus errors
<HostingGeek> firefox works even?
<supos> HostingGeek: Not for me
<KarlosII> ff works for me
<HostingGeek> it never works
<HostingGeek> alway has memery leaks after 10 tabs are opened
<KarlosII> ...
<KarlosII> did you bugzilla the leaks
<supos> When I try to start it, it quits with no messages. When I start it from the command line it returns "bus error"
<visor> hey anyone could get sound from flash/firefox in hoary? i read in the wiki about the esd config file to allow apps not using esd natively to use sound but i just dont have sound but going to flash site and then opening a new address crash it
<miniX> Where can i download Valknut ?
<kain> hi there, what's the best gui frontend to iptables for you?
<kain> on ubuntu hoary
<visor> kain: try Firestarter...   http://firestarter.sf.net
<kain> thanks
<queuetue> Can someone explain WT ***F*** is wrong with linux and audio?  Why does every program need exclusive ownership of the audio channel, and why does every program die or freeze when it encounters a locked audio instead of dealing with it gracefully - since it MUST HAPPEN TO EVERYONE!
<queuetue> (sorry so exciteable)
<kain> visor, nice app
<visor> queuetue: its not linux fault
<queuetue> visor, Who's fault is it?
<mjr> queuetue, doesn't happen to everyone; us with audio hardware and drivers capable of mixing don't have the problem. Anyway, it can be fixed on the ALSA level by using dmix, that's just not usually configured by default (dunno why, perhaps adds latency?)
<petemc> queuetue: yours, for not writing a patch to fic it
<visor> queuetue: the _problem_ if you can call it like that is that the sound deppends uppon the architecture you use to play the sound trough your soundcard
<queuetue> petemc, I've contributed plenty to both the kernel and various projects that ship with ubuntu, thank you very much.
<petemc> sure :)
<visor> queuetue: there is ALSA and OSS, thats the lower level stuff, then there is Arts, ESD and some others i dont really used
<mjr> I do agree that it's a pain in the ass and dmix should be configured by default unless there are really horrible side effects
<queuetue> mjr, So, what hardware do I need tp [urchase t make this problem go away?
<petemc> dmix doesnt work all the time
<mjr> (such as not being able to play video and audio in sync, in which case it should be fixed and then configured by default)
<queuetue> Besides a full-size keyboard. :)
<petemc> i was under the impression this is what esd is for
<mjr> queuetue, sb live works for me
<visor> queuetue: but when an application does not have ESound support within it would try to use directly your sound card, so, any app that does not have either support for esd compiled in, or a plugin will either not get sound or crash
<queuetue> mjr, So, with an sb live, you can use kphone, totem, gaim and mpg123 all atr the same time?
<mjr> queuetue, well, haven't tried that, but no reason to think one couldn't
<stazz> queuetue: does dmix work at all for you?
<stazz> queuetue: as in.. can two alsa-supporting applications (mpg123 isn't one) output sound simultaneously?
<queuetue> stazz, Is there a repository where I can get dmix?
<mjr> you don't need to get it, it comes with alsa
<visor> solution? use the damn ALSA-Sink in gnome-audio properties in preferences instead of esd :)
<stazz> queuetue: wget http://zzats.intterweb.com/asoundrc
<stazz> queuetue: place that under your home directory with .asoundrc and dmix "is set up for you"
<queuetue> Well, if I already have it, then it's not working. :)
<mjr> queuetue, as I said, it's not configured by default
<stazz> queuetue: Could you please try what I just mentioned
<queuetue> mjr, Ah, ok.  reading now.
<mjr> and by the way, dmix can be configured to work also for alsa's OSS emulation (though I don't know how, since I haven't had to)
<mjr> (just that a friend did it)
<visor> but yet there are some problems :S im trying to have sound from flash in firefox but i cant, i have to turn off esd :S, and if i select the alsa output to the sink properties then i would not have sound from various programs at a time
<queuetue> stazz, once the file is inplace, what needs to get restarted?
<stazz> queuetue: xmms for example, you have to set it to use alsa-output and "default" as the sound device
<Shortbus> Hello everyone, is there any way we can reset the panels? I kind of messed up everything and I want to know if this is possible! Thanks! =)
<stazz> queuetue: end esd for example, needs to be started with esd -d default
<stazz> queuetue: but mplayer and xmms should work simultaneously, you just have to set them to use alsa.
<Shortbus> Yeah, is there anyway to do that?
<mjr> more info on dmix apparently here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
<queuetue> sudo esd -d default brings me to some shell...
<Shortbus> queuetue - is this addressed to me? *hopes*
<mjr> hmm, that document does say that the old OSS api wouldn't work with dmixing
<visor> Shortbus: maybe deleting ''~/.gnome2/panel2.d''  :)
<queuetue> Bah!  Why is audio so complicated?
<stazz> queuetue: didn't it work?
<queuetue> How do I know what formats my card needs? Or if it needs arts or esd or polywhatever or alsa...
<stazz> erh, you're just making it complicated.
<mjr> your card doesn't need arts or esd or polywhatever, those are higher level stuff
<queuetue> stazz, sudo esd -d default bring me to a prompt and I don;t know what to do there.
<mjr> don't run it as root
<queuetue> mjr, if I don't run it with sudo, it reports that it'sd already running.
<stazz> queuetue: you don't necessarily have to run esd, it's just a point I made.
<stazz> queuetue: try it with xmms & mplayer first
<mjr> then kill it, or whatever
<madstop> while you're on the subject of sound server, can anybody help me deal with this error that happens every time I log in to hoary kde:
<madstop> "Sound server fatal error:
<mjr> audio stuff is too complicated, but not that complicated
<madstop> cpu overload, aborting
<mcnl_1> hello :)
<Shortbus> visor: nope, but there is %gconf.xml that i can't delete
<visor> Shortbus: then why dont you just remove the panels and add new ones?
<Ruby_> guys... i need some help... when istart ubuntu (new installation) i get a blank black screen on X start... some one edvised me to change the driver in xorg.conf from nv to vesa, i did but i still get the same problem... help?
<New2ubuntu> how do I use conqueror to bring up another local computer on my network?
<madstop> New2ubuntu, in the "Go" menu, click on network folders
<madstop> New2ubuntu, and then you should see an icon for Samba Shares.  Click on it
<visor> Ruby_: try a lower refresh sync
<queuetue> Gaim does not appear to support alsa...
<New2ubuntu> madstop I don't have a network thing in my K menu
<Ruby_> visor: linux noob here... didnt understand a thing of what your saing...
<madstop> In the maien menu, New2ubuntu , there should be a menu marked "Go"
<visor> Ruby_: uhmm ok, you did the standard install but when it loads the login manager the screen goes blank?
<madstop> In the Konqueror menu, New2ubuntu , not the K menu
<New2ubuntu> OH
<New2ubuntu> ok
<Ruby_> i gues... i doesnt only go black... i a second or two the screen goes in stand by mode... havent seen this before enywhere...
<New2ubuntu> OK
<New2ubuntu> I found go
<queuetue> If I kill esd, then "esd -d default" it dtill brings me to some shell...
<madstop> sorry, I wasn't clear New2ubuntu -- do you see Samba Shares?  if you don't, you might not have Samba support installed
<New2ubuntu> I do
<New2ubuntu> it says it can't find a workgroup
<New2ubuntu> where do I configure my work group?
<madstop> hmm, New2ubuntu -- I get that error when the other machines on my Lan aren't turned on--
<visor> Ruby_: well can you access at least a virtual console? (Alt+F1, Alt+F2....)
<New2ubuntu> its on
<Ruby_> yeah... i can...
<madstop> are you accessing a windows workgroup by any chance?
<queuetue> How do I launch esd in daemon mode?
<New2ubuntu> yeah
<New2ubuntu> I have a console up
<visor> Ruby_: what is your videocard and display and so?
<ReD_MiDNighT>  
<madstop> if so, then configuring the workgroup in windows and enabling shares etc should do it
<Ruby_> visor: its an old Nvidia... Gforce 2 i think...
<ReD_MiDNighT>      ?
<queuetue> Linux audio is such a *&#$% mess...
<madstop> mine worked "out of the box", New2ubuntu , so I'm not sure I can help with your setup.
(ReD_MiDNighT/#ubuntu) peoples how to connect to the internet from ubuntu?????????
<garrut> lol
<ReD_MiDNighT> lol
<sdogi> wow
<queuetue> Do I have to run esd as a background task in a console?
<New2ubuntu> Ok
<New2ubuntu> then lets just say I wanted to browse on that computer
<New2ubuntu> what prefix would I put ahead of the computer name?
<ReD_MiDNighT> facking english russian forever
<garrut> ok...
<Ruby_> erm... visor? :(
<queuetue> Even that doesn't work - esd belches so much debug junk to the terminal that it locks up after a few seconds, running in the background...
<visor> Ruby_: well then do this in a virtual console...  ''dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common''
<visor> Ruby_: oh i forgot ''sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common''
<Ruby_> i need root for this?
<visor> Ruby_: that should give you a wizard in console to set up the display and video card, try to select the right choices and then it should do, if not then ask then for help
<visor> Ruby_: you dont use root in ubuntu, you use sudo
<visor> so, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common... i already wrote that
<kresten> Hi everybody! Is it possible to install java through apt-get?
<Ruby_> oh... ok... have to remember that... thanks a lot :D
<deFrysk> kresten, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<kresten> deFrysk, thanks!
<deFrysk> kresten, happy reading :)
<queuetue> Does anyone know how to restart esd so it does not tie up a console?  How does it normally get started?
<vaijr2002> good morning everyone
<garrut> queuetue: dunno, but if you start it from a console just put a & behind the command
<kain> do you know if there is something similar to kmilo (for thinkpads) for gnome?
<visor> queuetue: esd &
<vaijr2002> anyone any good with xmms
<vaijr2002> think i got everything ok but still no sound
<garrut> vaijr2002: yeah i can press play like a pro
<vaijr2002> lol
<queuetue> garrut, visor, unfortunately, it spits such volumes of junk that the console is unusable.
<vaijr2002> i got all the plugins configured and stuff
<visor> queuetue: so what is this you want to do at the end?
<garrut> queuetue: start it from the menu: applications - run application
<topyli> vaijr2002: plugins like the output plugin for example? :)
<vaijr2002> yeah
<vaijr2002> dunno if i am missing one or not
<dwa_> does sound work in other apps?
<vaijr2002> no
<vaijr2002> i get no sound at all
<dwa_> then i'm guessing that's your problem
<vaijr2002> soundblaster audigy 2 platinum ex
<queuetue> visor, what I want to do is use more than 1 audio application at a time.  I've been told dmix makes this possible (it didn't.) and that esd does, (kind of, but not many applications support it.)
<dwa_> try to change your multimedia system
<vaijr2002> um
<vaijr2002> where?
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : preferences > multimedia selector
<dwa_> multimedia system selector
<vaijr2002> in xmms right?
<dwa_> no in gnome
<vaijr2002> oh ok
<underlord> im on a cable broadband system, in the rain sometimes the modem dropes out for a sec and reconnects, the problem is that its hooked in over the usbnet module, and whenever the modem resets my ubuntu installation goes offline, i have tried removing and adding the usbnet module, and also running dhclient, but it seems the kernel doesnt even create the new device in /dev when it comes back, what can i do to avoid constant reb
<vaijr2002> cant find that
<dwa_> underlord : try not to put your modem outside in the rain
<vaijr2002> found it lol
<underlord> the modem isnt in the rain :P
<vaijr2002> my card doesnt show in output
<visor> queuetue: im affraid that only esd applications or arts one's can do that but there is a dirty hack wich is starting an app to use esd like this:  esddsp spyke
<visor> err, esddsp skype
<visor> for example
<vaijr2002> just alsa osd osss
<dwa_> what is it on now?
<vaijr2002> alsa
<underlord> dwa_: its to do with the temprature, different metals contract at different rates and cause noise, so when rain comes in my usualy hot climate sometimes modems reset
<linuxboy> does hoary have a splash screen on boot ?
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : try esd or alsa
<apokryphos> linuxboy: no
<visor> linuxboy: no it hasnt, but there is some hack around...
<dwa_> that;s really strange underlord
<Fu2|xAz> boo
<underlord> its a normal thing in my area
<queuetue> GAH, why can't any of the distributions get together and solve the audio and printing problems in linux?  I've been using it as a desktop for 6 years, and no one has made any headway on either front.  it's all myterious "try this - try that - x works for me - coming soon" ...
<Jesterace> wee netsplit
<linuxboy> visor: any url to the hack ?
<vaijr2002> testing pipeling
<apokryphos> linuxboy: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/
<Fu2|xAz> haha! im scary!
<kain> about bootsplash, I see a thread regarding usplash, there is some packages somewhere, btw I see that the kernel installed have "splash" ad parameter, if I go into framebuffer mode with vga=whatever I see a sort of icons popping around during boot
<dwa_> where do you live underlord ? venus?
<underlord> sydney, australia
<Tomcat_> queuetue: I guess most people don't have problems with the way it is today, and so it's okay for them. I haven't had desktop audio problems in the last 5 years in Linux.
<underlord> on optus cable
<darkkyo> where can i found a good sources.list for ubuntu hoary 5.04 preview?
* netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net
<vaijr2002> when i do test it doesnt stop testing] 
<dwa_> i'm sorry i don't have any experience with modems stopping because of the rain
<Tomcat_> queuetue: I agree that it's not perfect the way it is. But I guess there's too many people who don't have problems, so nobody fixes anything. :)
<visor> kain: strange, i didnt, just plain higher resolution but no icons or eyecandyness ar all
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : you have to stop it yourself
<apokryphos> linuxboy: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
<queuetue> Tomcat_, So you can just use kphone, totem, xmms, mpg123, gaim .. all simultaneously with a stock debian/ubuntu install?
<vaijr2002> ok
<underlord> well, not exactly because of the rain, because of the temprature, and it doesnt stop perminently, just momentarily
<kain> visor, those icons appears at the top of the screen, overriding kernel woutput
<kain> output*
<kain> and they are ugly :P
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : if it doesn't work make sure you have your audio drivers loaded
<underlord> but hoary doesnt seem to care when it comes back online and refuses to acknolage themodem is there
<dwa_> open a console and enter: ps aux|grep sound
<Tomcat_> queuetue: It's not like using them all simultaneously is a "standard" task.... I wouldn't do that even in Windows. And even in Windows problems occur when you do that kind of stuff. :o
<dwa_> sorry vaijr2002 : type: lsmod|grep sound
<kain> visor, this is my grub line: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash vga=792
<queuetue> Tomcat_, Well, using kphone, xmms and gaim simultaneously is certainly a "standard" task... Does this work for you?
<kain> I added only vga=792
<queuetue> Tomcat_, Because it does not for me.  Typically, one wins, one loses and one dies.
<visor> linuxboy: there is http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org but seems to be down right now
<underlord> same thing happens if i just disconnect the usb connector and reconnect it, ubuntu must be somehow initialising it at boot
<vaijr2002> soundcore               9824  2 snd
<Tomcat_> queuetue: The last time I had xmms and gaim running they both worked. Same with xine and gaim... :o
<visor> kain: strange, i have the same but different vga value
<vaijr2002> thats what i get
<kain> visor, nanofreesoft was down even yesterday
<visor> kain: no, i downloaded the debs yesterday
<dwa_> so your sound card is detected properly
<Tomcat_> queuetue: As I said, I don't believe the situation is perfect, but *maybe* most people don't have problems... I don't know people who use Linux and have audio problems. Or maybe they don't talk about it. It's hard to tell. :)
<kain> strange, I read the thread about usplash and wanted to download debs but no connection
<queuetue> Tomcat_, You're not answerring my question, but thank you for trying.
<visor> well if anybody wants them i can upload them
<visor> to my site
<vaijr2002> that the detection stuff for soundblaster audigy 2?
<kain> visor, they works?
<dwa_> no for the general sound driver
<kain> that would be nice
<visor> kain: in my ati M7 mobility (AKA 7500) does
<Tomcat_> queuetue: Sorry I thought it was more of a statement or request for discussion... didn't see it as a question. I can't answer it, sorry. :o
<queuetue> Anyone else, is there a distro that gets closet to having audio work?  One that's worked out all the conflicts between all of the competing technologies of alsa, oss, dmix, arts, esd, polywhatever, etc?
<kain> I have a i915 that uses i810 driver.. too bad
<queuetue> s/closet/closer/
<visor> kain: however it seems that only for booting because when shutdown it does show nothing but the plain text but yet it is still a hack not a finished thing
<dwa_> try this vaijr2002 : lsmod | grep emu10k1
<kain> visor, yes, I read the related thread
<kain> but giving it a try would not be bad
<kain> "breakmyubuntu"
<kain> :D
<vaijr2002> ok
<visor> queuetue: buy a SB Live card or something than you get natively full duplex and all that fancyness
<vaijr2002> bunch of stuff showed up
<queuetue> visor, Ok, so this problem *can* be fixed with hardware - simply replacing it will make everything "just work"?
<visor> kain: it doesnt install nothing else, you only need libfb, libstdc++ and another library i dont know, but yeah, you dont lose that much
<kain> visor, k
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : and you are sure gnome sound doesn't work? it's not just xmms?
<DemisM> how do I add programs to my menus?
<stazz> queuetue: didn't the dmix work for you at all?
<vaijr2002> havent heard any system bells or anything
<visor> queuetue: yeah, a friend of mine has one with this emu10k1 chip or something like that called and the multi sound thing worked in suse, mandrake, fedora and so
<queuetue> stazz, absolutely no difference whatsoever.
<vaijr2002> yeah i had it working in suse also lol
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : go to preferences > sound
<dwa_> in gnome
<stazz> queuetue: are you sure you checked the settings with both xmms and mplayer?
<apokryphos> DemisM: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
<stazz> queuetue: Those were the ones I told you try first try it with
<vaijr2002> yes
<visor> well brb
<queuetue> stazz, I do not have mplayer installed.  My goal is to get kphone and gaim to work together.
<vaijr2002> i get nothing testing the sounds for sound events either
<queuetue> stazz, with mpd, if that is possible.
<vaijr2002> ok gotta go for a few. bbl thanks for the help
<bwlang> anybody know how to get nautilus to not open so many windows?
<stazz> queuetue: well, I could tell you how but it seems you would make it a really time-consuming effort
<queuetue> stazz, It already has been, but thanks for the suggestion that didn't work. :)
<dwa_> did you start the soundserver vaijr2002 ?
<dwa_> is there a check with start soundserver on startup?
<stazz> queuetue: it _does_ work with _certain_ applications
<stazz> queuetue: as in applications that support alsa
<queuetue> stazz, I'm looking to get it to work with the specific applications I mentioned.  Other applictions do not interest me especially.
<stazz> queuetue: the rest can be solved with artsd/esd.
<vaijr2002> yes
<vaijr2002> says to start it at startup
<stazz> queuetue: you're not working with me here :)
<dwa_> mmm
<vaijr2002> yeah kinda strange to me too
<queuetue> stazz, I was not aware we were working on *anything* - it appears I have a hardware problem.
<stazz> queuetue: That's not necessarily true.
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : did you try the forums?
<stazz> queuetue: I have a soundcard that appears not to support native mixing.
<dwa_> vaijr2002 : not sure if i can help you with this
<queuetue> If spending 20 bucks on a new soundcard saves me from amorning of hopeful voodoo configuration, then yes - I have a hardware problem.
<stazz> queuetue: and I can play just about everything simultaneously..
<stazz> queuetue: with very minimal configuration.
<queuetue> stazz, Can you play sounds from gaim. kphone and mpd simultaneously?  This is what I am trying to do.
<vaijr2002> well thanks for trying dwa
<queuetue> stazz, Other applications do not really interest me at the current time.
<stazz> queuetue: You've said that repeatedly and I know what you're trying to do.
<queuetue> stazz, Then why do you keep giving me generic advice and hope that it might work if I use the correct applications?
<stazz> queuetue: gaim (esound using dmix) + mpd (dmix) is doable, kphone (arts using dmix) will work too.
<stazz> queuetue: Because that would be the first step to the solution I would have been proposing.
<queuetue> stazz, By doing nothing more than editing the file you showed me earlier, you are saying that kphone, gaim and mpd all work for you.
<stazz> queuetue: No, I never said that.
<queuetue> stazz, That was meant as a question. :)
<vaijr2002> back in a bit. gotta take kiddies to school
<p88> In FreeBSD there is a chflags command. What is this command in linux?
<queuetue> Ok, i am looking to get kphone, mpd and gaim all working at the same time.  A solution that does something differnet does not interest me right now, even from an academic standpoint.
<kain> p88, maybe chattr?
<stazz> queuetue: I very, very well know what you are wanting to do. I even have a solution for you.
<p88> chflags is a command to set a file "system immutable" or "user immutable"
<kain> yeah
<kain> sudo chflags uchg file-name(s)
<queuetue> stazz, Thanks for all your help.  I suspect that if you keep "helping" me than no oe else will, though.
<stazz> queuetue: You're really being an asshole.
<stazz> queuetue: I mean, I didn't even get started!
<stazz> queuetue: I was planning to tell you how to use both arts and esd simulatenously with dmix to allow you play sound from *any* application simultaneously.
<Nermal> just get rid of arts and esd
<Nermal> use alsa
<Nermal> both are a pain in the ass
<stazz> I've *never* had any trouble with esd.
<Nermal> esd is pretty evil
<stazz> and as esd supports alsa, it goes very well with dmix-using applications.
<apokryphos> aRts is fine for what it does
<Nermal> and uneeded to a large extend with hardware mixing
<queuetue> stazz, Ok, I appreciate your plan, but I was hoping to find someone that was less stuck in the 'planning' phase, and more interested in helping me actually solve the problem.
<apokryphos> though officially unmaintained by a dev now, I believe.
<stazz> queuetue: You know, I really could have told you how to do it, as in, get it out of the planning phase ;)
<Nermal> "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable."
<Nermal> - Alan Cox
<Nermal> :)
<queuetue> stazz, You could have, but for some reason have not yet.  Thanks for the effort, but maybe you should "help" someone else.
<queuetue> It's getting difficult to stay civil here.
<Nermal> queuetue, tried just using alsa ?
<stazz> Nermal: yes, I told him how to. he's not interested.
<Nermal> ah
<queuetue> Nermal, Some applications (namely, gaim) do not work with alsa.
<Nermal> ah
<kent> queuetue, you dont have to talk like that. If your not happy with what some one tries to do, just ignore.  But it actually seems like he tries to help you..  :)
<stazz> he's just impatient.
<queuetue> kent, Unfortunately, if someone is trying to help you - no matter how misguided, then other generally will not.
<kent> queuetue, Well, then just stop talking to the person you feel is misguided? It seemd like a discussion that was starting to go overheated.. and thats never good.  Just ignore. Its better.  :)
<stim_la_plak> hi
<kent> btw, will performance decrease alot if i disable dma on the ide? I got some strange errors from the drive last night and thought I might try if something happens if U turn of dma.  (Like, will the dvd-burner become *slow* or something).
<stazz> kent: with dma is faster than without :)
<Nermal> around 10 times quicker usually
<stazz> kent: and yes, performance will plummet
<stim_la_plak> hi, sorry guys i'm a newbie, just installed ubuntu but how to connect to internet? im using adsl modem
<stazz> what are the errors you're getting?
<GarySaved> How do I put applications on the Panel? I do not see it on the menus.
<dmouritsendk> GarySaved, drag and drop the launchers to the panel. Or rightclick it
<GarySaved> Hehe ... I just woke up ...
<GarySaved> Yep
<stim_la_plak> hi, can someone assist me to get into internet?
<dmouritsendk> GarySaved, you can add widgets to it by rigtclick it and selecting "add"
<GarySaved> I have it.  I do not see an app to keep checking E-Mail.
<dmouritsendk> GarySaved, there should be a inbox monitor
<Nermal> stim_la_plak, easy unless you're using a usb modem
<stazz> queuetue: heh, just noticed, gaim supports alsa ;)
<stim_la_plak> no im using ethernet modem
<Nermal> stazz, doesn't surprise me
<Nermal> hum.. then just configure the ethernet card for dhcp ?
<stazz> but it's via aplay, so it's basically about cheating :p
<stim_la_plak> pk nermal
<stim_la_plak> ok nermal
<noxfu> I dist-upgraded from warty to hoary and flash broke.  Which package should I install to get flash working again in firefox?  libflash-mozplugin didn't work.
<stim_la_plak> i'll try now, thanks
<AcidWolf> anyone know how i might resolve Audio problem on Hoary PPC
<AcidWolf> i have system sounds howeber have no other sound not even the drum sounds at login
<AcidWolf> i have tried the Forums
<queuetue> stazz, maybe yours does.  Mine doesn't.
<dmouritsendk> AcidWolf, what system sound do you have? and are the sound drivers loaded?
<darkkyo> anyone have a good sources.list for hoary 5.04 preview?
<AcidWolf> i have Apple G4 Powerbook 15 Aluminium
<AcidWolf> yes
<AcidWolf> i did a full upgrade this afternoon
<AcidWolf> fresh installation so i had alot to upgrade now that all that is done and still no sound
<AcidWolf> however when i did apt-get upgrade there were some updates held back
<AcidWolf> i had this same problem when i stepped up to hoary from warty about a month ago but this time i decided to download the hoary ISO instead of using apt
<AcidWolf> everything is working fine except sound
<dmouritsendk> AcidWolf, ok. can u try and paste the output of your /proc/asound
<AcidWolf> ok give me a second
<Tycho451> Hi, can anyone give me hand in changing the refresh rate on my new installed ubuntu?
<Tycho451> The only thing I can select is 60Hz
<Dr_Willis> time to manually edit the X config files then perhaps.
<mjr> Tycho451, basically what you'll need to do is edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (or xorg.conf if in Hoary), the Monitor section, so that it spesifies your monitors capabilities
<Tycho451> Ok, thanks. I'll try
<Dr_Willis> you do mean select as in the 'set screen settings' control panel tool?
<Tycho451> Yes Dr_Willis
<mjr> Tycho451, namely, you'll want to spesify HorizSync and VertRefresh ranges, which you can get from your monitor manual
<Dr_Willis> yea - that tool gets its infro from the XF86config-4 file or xorg.conf file.
<mjr> (modern monitors should communicate these to the X server via DDC, but old monitors and/or cards may need the manual settings)
<Dr_Willis> is this a lcd monitor by the way?
<Tycho451> No, old 17" CRT
<mjr> yep, thought as much :)
<noxfu> I dist-upgraded from warty to hoary and flash broke.  Which package should I install to get flash working again in firefox?  libflash-mozplugin didn't work.
<Dr_Willis> if its real old. you may want to be very carefull. :P
<mjr> so the X server is just making conservative assumptions so that it wouldn't blow your monitor up ;)
<mjr> if you can't find the manual, some monitors have the values on the back, and then there's Google
<Tycho451> It's not that old (I hope)
<Tycho451> If im not back in 10min it blew up
<stazz> the monitor's manual is a good place to look at, too :)
<Tycho451> Yeah...like I ever had a manual for that thing...it was 2nd hand ;)
<mjr> well, of course you can do it by testing too; it shouldn't be _too_ likely to blow up the device, but do so on your own risk anyway ;)
<mjr> I'd still try googling first
<Tycho451> And even if...not very usefull things have their way of disappearing after some years :D
<Tycho451> I think theiy are on the back of it
<Tycho451> I already had them looked up when I used PowerStrip to create a monitor driver one time
<mjr> righto
<caffinated> Tycho451: looking for monitor frequency ranges?
<Tycho451> Yes
<caffinated> for which model monitor?
<Tycho451> Belinea 10 70 10
<Tycho451> 17"
<caffinated> Tycho451: http://www.belinea.com/monitore/Modell-Archiv/17_Zoll/archiv7010.asp
<caffinated> good luck
<mjr> righto
<mjr> there they are
<kresten> What is the command to create a new dir from the console?
<Tycho451> Thanks a lot
<mjr> kresten, "mkdir"
<fgx> kresten, mkdir
<kresten> thanks!
<caffinated> no problem, i've done the frequency game more than a few times ;)
<dieffel> hi all! i have a problem with gDesklets and my sensors... how can i fix that?
<garrut> well, since you explained your problem perfectly, i dunno...
<fgx> kresten, if the dir is empty you can remove it with rmdir, if not you have to use rm -rf "yourdir"
<kresten> ok!
<kresten> And copying?
<fgx> kresten, cp
<kresten> tnx :D
<Lightboy> does n e one know how to get ubuntu hoary to play dvd's
<Tycho451> Ok, XConfig is edited. But the resolution change tool still only displays 60Hz. Do I need to restart the XServer?
<garrut> Tycho451: yes you do
<Tycho451> ok, thanks
<Lightboy> does n e one know how to get ubuntu hoary to play dvd's
<DXT> i set a new personal record: winxp is running for a 1w 4h without crashing xD amazing. too bad i really want to install hoary now :(
<_linux_newb_> xp runs fine for me
<caffinated> DXT: i've had it up for months.  usually the reboot is due to drivers/updates
<_linux_newb_> just dont like it but need it for work
<BigIslandVegan> Might somebody help me set up bluetooth on Hoary ppc with PowerBook G4 1Ghz
<BigIslandVegan> DXT what is 1w, 1 watt?
<BigIslandVegan> :-p
<DXT> im actually not the type that keeps his pc open without purpose.. just happened so it ran a week straight (lotsa bittorrenting..)
<DXT> one whoop ass
<CarlK_> Lightboy - start here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<CarlK_> BigIslandVegan - you done anything with a bluetooth mouse?
<BigIslandVegan> i haven't Carlk
<CarlK_> I hate haveing things pluged into my laptops's usb
<BigIslandVegan> I'm wishing to get online through the Motorola v600 like I do on Mac OS X
<dsoft> hiya
<dsoft> where can i find user thrash?
<Nermal> eh ?
* CarlK_ talks trash now and then
<dsoft> or, how can i empty my trash
<Nermal> right click - > empty trash ?
<caffinated> heh
<DXT> people, a word of advice to you - don't buy the WR850G Motorola router.. it is THE MOST annoying piece of plastic and circuits ever created on this earth.
<dsoft> but, where? i cant see any thrash icon
<Nermal> rm -rf ~/.Trash/* ?
<Nermal> on the panel ?
<caffinated> dsoft: rightclick on the panel and add the panel applet
<BigIslandVegan> I haven't figured out how to access any software tools to configure the bluetooth components which i found and installed with synaptic
<Nermal> BigIslandVegan, hcitools
<BigIslandVegan> hcitools, hmm, ok, is it gui?
<dsoft> oki, thx :)
<kresten> fgx, How do you change file permissions? Or... Which command do you use?
<_linux_newb_> chmod
<DXT> cya, installing hoary :D
<fgx> kresten, chown "permission" file, i suggest you "man chown" "man chmod"
<BigIslandVegan> Nermal, how do i find hcitools?
<sdogi> just one question, where is ubuntu universe repository being fetched?
<sdogi> debian woody?
<Nermal> aptitude search hci ?
<BigIslandVegan> Nermal, is this something you have used?
<Nermal> a little
<Nermal> I use it to talk to my nokia 6230
<kresten> fgx, yeah, thats wat i'm doing all the time. I just need to learn the different commands...
<underlord> in the packages whats the difference for example between a version of "0.8.8-1ubuntu1" and "0.8.8-1ubuntu2"?
<Nermal> I've used hciconfig, and l2ping etc
<BigIslandVegan> Nermal, would it allow me to get online, do you think?
<Nermal> try this -> http://zenit.xs4all.nl/html/deb6230en.html
<Nermal> probably, but it won't be too simple
<Nermal> underlord, a different ubuntu build
<dsoft> what the hell, how can i delete a file throught X-windows without send to trash? (dele)
<Nermal> dsoft, gconf -> apps -> nautilus
<Nermal> you have to enable it here
<fgx> kresten, "apropos somethingyouneed", is your friend too
<Nermal> and it's not through x-windows, it's through nautilus
<Nermal> key: /apps/nautilus/preferences/enable_delete
<BigIslandVegan> synaptic doesn't see hcitools, fyi
<BigIslandVegan> i know you said apt but i'm not familiar with it
<BigIslandVegan> this is all new to me
<BigIslandVegan> the linux thing
<Nermal> #apt-get install bluez-hcidump bluez-pin bluez-utils libbluetooth1 libsdp2
<Nermal> thats in the howto I gave you
<Nermal> try reading it
<kresten> fgx, ???
<Nermal> *pies of rage*
<BigIslandVegan> yes, i am reading it now, just wanted you to know that
<BigIslandVegan> and get any feedback
<BigIslandVegan> you might have
<dwa_> yawn
<fgx> kresten, try "apropos owner" or "apropos permission" or "apropos whateveryouneed", you will have a list of possible commands you need
<BigIslandVegan> i'm a bit afraid of trying something like apt that i'm unfamiliar with :-o i think i installed those bluez and other items already through synaptic
<BigIslandVegan> sorry to bore you dwa
<Nermal> synaptic is just a front end to apt
<Nermal> geez
<kresten> fgx, ahh ok.
<dwa_> i'm just sleepy BigIslandVegan
<Nermal> apt-get is *nice*
<dsoft> how can i exe nautilus with root acces?
<Nermal> you should try dpkg :P
<Nermal> dsoft, you shouldn't need to
<_Demian_> Amaranth, someone told me you know a way to edit the menus in hoary
<BigIslandVegan> what is dpkg?
<dsoft> well, then how can i really delete root trash files?
<Nermal> the actual package manager
<Amaranth> _Demian_: It's a little b0rked right now.
<dwa_> BigIslandVegan : man dpkg
<_Demian_> Amaranth, borked?
<Amaranth> _Demian_: Ask again tomorrow. :)
<Nermal> sudo rm -rf /root/.Trash/*
<Amaranth> _Demian_: Not working.
<Nermal> obviously
<_Demian_> Amaranth, wil do
<_Demian_> Amaranth, thnx
<BigIslandVegan> oh yes, i guess i would check the manual in terminal, i haven't yet looked at the terminal :-o
<dsoft> /home/.trash0/*
<Amaranth> _Demian_: You can use the old version, if you'd like.
<BigIslandVegan> you technoids have good patience with me :-)
* Nermal sighs
<Tycho451> Ok, refresh rate sucessfuly changed. Thanks for the help again.
<Amaranth> It has issues for some people but if you don't have them you should be fine.
<_Demian_> Amaranth, any version wil work for me :)
<_Demian_> Tycho451, what kind of problems did you have with your monitor?
<Amaranth> _Demian_: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.3-1_all.deb
<BigIslandVegan> well, it would be nice if they included the bluetooth stuff in the default package for ppc since there is no hardware support for the wifi chipset apple uses
<_Demian_> Amaranth, thnx
<BigIslandVegan> bluetooth would give a wireless option, with people's mobile phones
<BigIslandVegan> very useful
<BigIslandVegan> :-)
<Tycho451> It wasn't identified properly, so I could run it only on 60Hz...which gave me a serious headache
<BigIslandVegan> does that seem to be a reasonable suggestion?
<_Demian_> Amaranth, ehm... how do I install it :)
<_Demian_> Amaranth, I'm still a newbie :D
<Amaranth> _Demian_: download it to your home folder
<Tycho451> My next personal goal is to find out how to install a rpm. "rpm" told me to use alien.
<Nermal> rpm -ihv ?
<goldfish> yep
<goldfish> alien command
<_Demian_> Amaranth, I did
<_Demian_> Amaranth, an then tried sh
<Amaranth> _Demian_: Then open a terminal and type sudo dpkg -i menueditor_0.3-1_all.deb
<_Demian_> right
<_Demian_> thnx
<BigIslandVegan> sorry nermal if my ignorance is giving  you pies of rage
<_Demian_> I forgot about that one
<Amaranth> then you should have an entry in your system tools menu
<Tycho451> Alien isn't cooperating though...ati drivers produce an error and opera doesn't return any message
<Nermal> BigIslandVegan, oh it's not just you
<tritium> installing ati rpms is just begging for problems
<BigIslandVegan> well, all of you folks are very appreciated, i must say
<stim_la_plak> hi guys, can someone help me on the internet connection problem?
<Tycho451> :D Thats what I wanted to hear tritium ;)
<Tycho451> It's a x86_64 system to make things even more complicated I guess
<tritium> the fglrx drivers don't work for you
<tritium> ?
<_Demian_> Amaranth, thnx
<stim_la_plak> hi guys, can someone help me on the internet connection problem?
<Amaranth> _Demian_: no problem
<garrut> stim_la_plak: what problem
<BigIslandVegan> thanks everybody for your suggestions, i will continue tomorrow with new knowledge
<Tycho451> It's the first time I installed linux on my PC. I hope I can get it far enough to do my normal buissnes on it, so I can get used to it a bit better...
<BigIslandVegan> woo hoo
<Tycho451> Yes, tritium. They won't install
<Tycho451> None of the two
<tritium> Tycho451, the .debs won't install?
<stim_la_plak> how to set up connection via ADSL broadband on stand alone pc
<dwa_> stim_la_plak : using an usb modem?
<Tycho451> I tried "alien fgl...rpm" and got an error
<stim_la_plak> no..its network card modem
<tritium> Tycho451, the first things you should try are the native ubuntu packages
<httpdss> stim_la_plak: pppoeconf
<garrut> then there's not much to setup is there, if your modem is correctly configured...
<Tycho451> Is .debs the native ubuntu package?
<Nermal> yah
<Nermal> well.. debian package
<Tycho451> ok, I'll search for the newest ati drivers in that format
<Nermal> Tycho451, why
<Phython> Is Martin Pitt on irc anywhere?
<Nermal> is X not working ?
<tritium> Tycho451, you need linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
<tritium> Tycho451, apt-cache search fglrx
<mus> hello, what i wanna know is do i have to use X in order to surf the web, connect to irc and so on.
<mus> my computer installed linux is so old that (pentium166MMX) i have difficulties on X
<HostingGeek> Phython: yes he is in #ubuntu-motu
<Tycho451> No, nermal, I just thought it would be generally a good idea to have the latest video drivers
<Phython> HostingGeek: I found him as pitti, thanks
<zooko> greetings, people of #ubuntu!
<pitti> Phython: yes, here
<apokryphos> zooko: hi :)
<Tycho451> "apt-cache search fglrx" didn't produce any message, but maybe nermal is right. I shouldn't tamper with the videodrivers if it works right now.
<Phython> pitti: Why doesn't /usr/local/share/locale work?
<Phython> I have mo files installed there on my machine
<pitti> Phython: this is something I want to convince upstream about
<pitti> Phython: this should work, but doesn't at the moment
<pitti> Phython: however, upstream just refuses to see the need for this :-(
<Tycho451> Is using alien in a terminal window the normal way to install new software (like e.g. Opera)?
<Phython> pitti: Send a patch to either read /usr/local/share/locale or have it configured via a file
<NormD> mus: I vaguely remember lynx for browsing, can't remember a cli irc client, but I'm sure searching sourceforge or freshmeat would turn up a few hits.
<Phython> pitti: no, they are refusing to see the need of supporting a new way to do stuff
<tritium> Tycho451, you must not have enabled the restricted component
<tritium> All the fglrx packages are in "restricted"
<Phython> mus: irssi for irc
<pitti> Phython: I explained them the need to install local translations into a separate directory, but Ulrich Drepper still insists that this is a packaging bug...
<Phython> pitti: yeah, that's not a libc bug
<Phython> the libc bug is not having a way to read arbitrary locale directories
<mus> okey, and is it confortable to use NOT X software in usual usage or it is hard, what do you think
<Nermal> mus, web -> lynx, links, w3c
<Dr_Willis> heh - isent there an irc client called... 'irc' :P  the original?
<Phython> and your original solution was rejected
<Nermal> irc -> bitchx, ircii, irsii
<HostingGeek> Tycho451: Opera make debs for opera
<pitti> Phython: the missing libc feature is a _list_ of standard directories, not just a single one
<Tycho451> tritium: I'm not sure what you are talking about
<Phython> pitti: then add that
<pitti> Phython: generally /usr/share/locale/:/usr/local/share/locale would be a nice default
<NormD> heh.  a P166 would cramp just about everything...I'd look into retrobox.com for a "new" used machine....: )
<pitti> Phython: for Ubuntu, we add /usr/share/locale-langpack
<Phython> pitti: What you should add to the list is /usr/local/share/locale, not what you suggested originally
<tritium> Tycho451, http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
<pitti> Phython: yes, I already added such a feature, but I asked upstream about how to improve it
<tritium> Tycho451, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
<Phython> pitti: sure, but you want to have the list done by directory list, not modified time
<pitti> Phython: priority by list position would be fine for other distros too, I guess, but not necessarily for the purpose of language packs
<Phython> pitti: it should be enough for language packs as well
<pitti> Phython: in the long run it will be enough, just not for Hoary
<NormD> hrrm....how specifically "tailored" for ubuntu are the repositories? i.e. would packages work on another debian-based distro such as mepis?
<Tycho451> Thx tritium. I have read it.
<tritium> Tycho451, sure.
<pitti> Phython: we did not strip translations for all our packages yet, but as soon as we did, we don't need the timestamps any more
<Phython> pitti: Right.  Do be careful next time you bring something up with the glibc folks, you have to be very specific and not go down the wrong path while trying to show your point
<pitti> Phython: however, the libintl code is a mess, that's why I asked upstream where it makes most sense to hook this
<Phython> pitti: So, excluding the multiple directories bit (which is really only mentioned in passing) uli was right
<jbailey> pitti: Well, no - the proble you mentioned before is still true.  Users are forced to install with a prefix of /usr
<Phython> jbailey: which *is* the users mistake
<pitti> Phython: I wouldn't call "stop this nonsense" and "it's a packaging bug" right if I explain the need for locally installed software...
<Tycho451> Though I'm not sure I fully understand the first link
<jbailey> Phython: No, the C library needs a locales search path concept.
<pitti> Phython: it's not the user's mistake, it's a necessity with current libc (for the mo files)
<pitti> jbailey: exactly
<jbailey> Phython: I wouldn't do it with time stamps, I'd iterate through them in the right order and stop at the first one.
<Phython> jbailey: yes it does
<Lightboy> rythembox wont play flac or mp3's.. i have installed all the correct codecs. xmms handles it fine but
<Phython> jbailey: right, that is the way most other path search work
<tritium> Tycho451, you need to make sure you have listed the restricted component in your /etc/apt/sources.list, or you won't be able to find the fglrx drivers
<jbailey> Phython: Right.  I will rework this patch to do it that way at some point in the future.
<Phython> pitti: locally installed software in /usr is a packaging problem, not a glibc problem
<pitti> AAAAAAAARGH
<Phython> pitti: you indicated there is a problem users installing stuff in /usr.  That is something they shouldn't care about
<pitti> Phython: dude, did you never install software with configure, make, make install in /usr/local=
<Phython> pitti: you are correct in what you want, but the argument didn't do what you wanted  ;)
<jbailey> Phython: Semantics.  We have to reasonably give them the option with a search path.
<pitti> s/=/?
<Phython> pitti: yes, and that is why I have files in /usr/local/share/locale
<pitti> Phython: if the user is forced to put translations into /usr, this is not a packaging problem. it's entirely outside the concept of packages
<pitti> Phython: but /usr/local/share/locale doesn't work ATM
<Phython> pitti: it's sort of rare to have en_CA translations so I'm not surprised I didn't notice those translations not working
<Phython> pitti: dealing with user installed software in /usr is a packaging problem
<pitti> Phython: oh right, it's not immediately obvious to English speakers :-)
<Phython> pitti: Having /usr/local/share/locale is a different problem
<pitti> Phython: why is this a packaging problem?
<Phython> pitti: If you put both problems in the same paragraph the important one (/usr/local/share/locale) is ignored
<Tycho451> restricted is on. multi and universe is off
<Phython> pitti: because what is in /usr is a distribution issue, if you want to work around users putting stuff in /usr then deal with it!
<pitti> Phython: but the point is that without /usr/locale/share/locale, the user is *forced* to use /usr/share/locale
<Phython> pitti: no, the user is forced not to have translations
<pitti> Phython: which is crap either way
<pitti> Phython: the clean solution would be to support multiple locale directories
<Phython> pitti: yes, but people putting stuff into /usr is not the problem you want to solve
<Phython> so bring it up only brings badness
<pitti> Phython: but most upstream software just puts mo files into /usr/share/locale
<pitti> Phython: exactly because of the lack of other alternatives
<pitti> Phython: so while this is not the same bug, one is the consequence of the other
<Phython> pitti: yes, translations not working is caused by /usr/local/share/locale not being searched
<pitti> exactly
<Tycho451> What would be the correct mount command to mount a NTFS partition (hdb1) read only to /mnt/hdb1? (I'm SU'ed and /mnt/hdb1 existst)
<Tycho451> "mount --help" is not very detailed
<tritium> Tycho451, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
<_ronny_> hi, i can't burn any cd's with joliet :-/ "mkisofs returned an unknown error (code 1)"
<AcidWolf> anyone know where i might find the init script for the esd daemon
<tritium> AcidWolf, all init scripts are in /etc/init.d/
<paulproteus> Tycho451: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
<AcidWolf> ty
<Nermal> mount -t nfts -o ro /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
<paulproteus> That's the easy case, for read-only.
<Nermal> s/nfts/ntfs
<paulproteus> Tycho451: mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=1000 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
<paulproteus> uid = 1000 makes all the files owned by the first Ubuntu user.  You can replace 1000 with a username.
<Tycho451> Thanks a lot
<AcidWolf> hrrrrmz
<AcidWolf> interesting
<AcidWolf> for some reason esd daemon seems to run default at boot and in turn is hogging the sound driver so my sound for everything else doesnt work
<AcidWolf> yuck
<vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
<vaijr2002> i am having some probs gettin mp3's to play in xmms
<AcidWolf> join the club
<vaijr2002> checked everything. i dont get system sounds either
<AcidWolf> what version
<DXT> Bah. The preview disc i dled was b0rked... the only time I didn't MD5SUM checked, lol... :(
<vaijr2002> version of what?
<mcnl_1> help help help :( new ubuntu install... first X whuldnt start, i was told to configure it, now when i enter dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it says xserver-xork is broken or not fully installed or something like that... what to do?
<AcidWolf> what version of ubuntu @ vaijr2002
<vaijr2002> ummmmm
<vaijr2002> warty?
<AcidWolf> what machine are you using
<vaijr2002> amd athlon
<AcidWolf> k
<AcidWolf> pvt me
<burbuja> hi all!
<mcnl_1> vajir2002: i downloaded three times, all were broken... i dont think the MD5 is right
<vaijr2002> damnit someone told me the command how to check to see what versiion
<vaijr2002> hmm
<vaijr2002> i got everything working so far but my sound
<mcnl_1> i get problems with xorg :)
<optika> vaijr2002: cat /etc/issue
<optika> vaijr2002: or just open up /etc/issue in a text editor
<jason> I get an error when booting VFS: cant find ext3 fs on /dev/hda3, it still boots fine but I use reiser and would like to make this error message stop, any ideas?
<vaijr2002> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
<keffo> hoho
<keffo> huge hoary update right now
<vaijr2002> okies
<vaijr2002> when i go to multimedia server and select alsa and test i get error about cant create/connect to pipelinie
<deshboard> hello
<deshboard> anyone there?
<dwa_> no
<garrut> me neuther
<deshboard> great, so if you are not here I guess you couldn't help me configure ajunta
<deshboard> *anjuta
<zooko> I'm not here, because when I booted it couldn't load root fs, because root fs was reiser3.
<dwa_> what's the problem with anjuta?
<pluesch0r> evening. anyone else experiencing problems with gnome/freezing OS when upgrading from warty to hoary?
<deshboard> it won't compile, neither would Kdev
<pluesch0r> seems to have something to do with gnome-panel and the trash applet ..
<deshboard> sais it can't find the G++
<dwa_> can't you download a .deb?
<dwa_> sudo apt-get install build-essential
<dwa_> try that
<deshboard> me?
<dwa_> yes
<dwa_> not sure what you are planning to do with anjuta though...
<pluesch0r> is there something comparable to bugs.debian.org on the ubuntu homepage?
<tritium> bugzilla
<keffo> damn
<keffo> ;P
<pluesch0r> right.
<deshboard> j00 r0ck
<pluesch0r> well .. did anyone else have problems after upgrading to hoary?
<zooko> Not me.
<Mithsir> Hello! When I click on "Devices" in Konquerer, I get an error dialog box saying "Protocol not supported: devices" (or something like that). What am I missing? (sorry, this is a kubuntu question, but maybe someone can help)
<mijndert> pluesch0r, My sound didn't work after upgrading :)
<pluesch0r> mijndert: would be great if _that_ were my problem.
<mijndert> hehe
<dwa_> aaaaah kwifje
<pluesch0r> fsck .. also freezes when i start nautilus.
<dwa_> a.k.a. kwoffer
<onkarshinde> Has anyone installed ubuntu in Bochs emulator?
<^thehatsrule^> nop
<cusco> hi
<cusco> Im having troubles with my wireless conection...
<cusco> its always going down
<cusco> like now... and my lag is rising
<cusco> so maybe I reconnect meanwhile
<cusco> or maybe you can't see this...
<cusco> :/
<cusco> looks like I reconnecte
<coachz> hi
<^thehatsrule^> ya we can see
<coachz> Does Vmware run under ubuntu?
<pluesch0r> coachz: yes.
<coachz> with ubuntu as host
<pluesch0r> coachz: _yes_
<coachz> i currently run vmware in debian as host
<goldfish> Is there an xterm config file?
<pluesch0r> coachz: i'm running vmware both in debian and ubuntu as host..
<jason> anyone use polypaudio?
<pluesch0r> goldfish: use ~/.Xresources
<cusco> I went down again
<goldfish> pluesch0r: cheers
<Taleel> I#m running VMware on Ubuntu, as well
<Taleel> works great
<jason> is there a free alternative to vmware?
<goldfish> lol
<pluesch0r> jason: bochs.
<goldfish> get it for free :)
<pluesch0r> jason: you could also get the public beta .. which can be downloaded for free.
<jason> I mean free like speach
<Taleel> jason: if you want to run only virtual Linux machines: http://www.faumachine.org/
<petemc> jason: qemu
<Taleel> (not tested by me yet, I've just seen it at the CeBIT last week)
<jason> thanks :)
<pluesch0r> sigh .. i'd really like to know how to troubleshoot this problem .. both gnome and kde freeze .. however, the terminal only session works.
<^thehatsrule^> but right now vmware beta 5 is free
<^thehatsrule^> you could try it
<jason> it is not free, they give you the source?
<pluesch0r> jason: what are you trying to proof?
<^thehatsrule^> huh? vmware BETA is free right now
<DarthFrog_> Free beer, free speech.
<jason> just that it is not free in my view of what makes software free
<DarthFrog_> jason: Which is why the term Free Software is a bad one.  Ambiguity in the usage of the word free.
<jason> anyway I just asked if there was a free as in libre alternative to vmware
<shai> *sobs* anjuta hates me
<jason> the english laguage is laking in that area :(
<DarthFrog_> jason: Freedom is a quality of life, price is a quality of things.
<pluesch0r> yes.oooooh, yes. it's a kernel issue.
<pluesch0r> thank god.
<Taleel> jason: the FAUmachine is free as in speech.
<shai> anyway, I've finally menaged to somehow moake anjuta compile something
<shai> but when I tell the damn thing to run it I get "there is no executable for this program"
<onkarshinde> Can anyone tell what this means? Kernel panic - not syncing : Fatal Exception in interrupt
<jason> Taleel: thank you
<shai> well, can anyone tell me where anjuta keeps the executables?
<vaijr2002> shai look in /usr/local/bin see if its there
<vaijr2002> most exe's are in /bin folders
<vaijr2002> hi Darth
<Darthfrog> Good morning vaijr2002
<vaijr2002> how are ya today buddy
<coachz> pluesch0r, how is ubuntu different than debian?  I'm an old debian user tired of old packages.
<vaijr2002> got that mysql prob fixxed, and that program installed woot woot
<shai> nope, empty
<Darthfrog> vaijr2002: Good for you.
<Darthfrog> coachz: Ubuntu is a superb desktop Debian, packages very up-to-date.
<vaijr2002> yeah just cant get me sound working
<vaijr2002> i think i got everything right
<shai> is there anyway to config anjuta to find it's own compiled executables?
<trans_err> i just bought a new mobo, installed everything, but my processor is running 500mhz under its max-- it reports 1200 when its a 1.7ghz processor
<coachz> Darthfrog, and i can use apt-zip to update my home off network pc right?
<vaijr2002> worked in suse and gentoo lol
<trans_err> amy ideas?
<vaijr2002> dunno shai
<trans_err> its an asus mobo
<shai> well... I'll search for an anjuta support chat :/
<shai> thanks anyway
<Darthfrog> coachz: I've never heard of apt-zip before. I should assume so, Ubuntu is debian-compatible.
<coachz> Darthfrog, can you tell me the current version available for Postgresql, PHP and Mysql?
<coachz> cuz i really want leading edge packages available
<vaijr2002> brb
<sylvesterxxl> is there an easy way to install codecs for divx?
<Darthfrog> coachz: Postgres 7.47, PHP 4.4.3, MySQL 4.023
<coachz> Deathfrog and that's my problem.  those are old
<coachz> can't i get new packages in ubuntu?
<coachz> PG is 8.0.1  and PHP is over 5
<^thehatsrule^> use testing?
<coachz> in Gentoo I can get them but I don't want to compile all day
<dizzie> sylvesterxxl, install win32 codecs from mplayerhq's website
<Darthfrog> coachz: Are those levels you want available in Sid?
<coachz> nope they are not
<coachz> and that is what shocks me
<^thehatsrule^> maybe cause its always being updated heh
<sylvesterxxl> dizzie:win32 codecs from mplayerhq so where is it? i cant see
<Darthfrog> Well, Debian tends to be a bit conservative. :-)
<^thehatsrule^> hehe true
<ikaro> hellas!
<^thehatsrule^> lo
<dizzie> sylvesterxxl, http://ftp5.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/releases/codecs/essential-20050216.tar.bz2
<sylvesterxxl> dizzie:where in the hard disk i install it?
<dizzie> Depends on player, usually they goes to /usr/share/win32 ... check manual, i cant remember
<Fackamato> hm
<Fackamato> what do I need in order to mount nfs shares?
<desrt> Fackamato; an NFS server :)
<Fackamato> portmap, nfs-common, nbd-client, nfs-user-server
<Fackamato> those I got
<Fackamato> still can't mount my nfs exports on the server
<^thehatsrule^> those arent samba compatible?
<Fackamato> just sits there
<Fackamato> samba?
<desrt> on the client side, it seels, you only need support in the kernel
<desrt> *seems
<desrt> are you trying to setup client or server?
<Fackamato> the client
<Fackamato> the server is already configured
<desrt> i don't think you need that stuff
<^thehatsrule^> samba's the windows network sharing thingy ;p
<^thehatsrule^> guess it isnt
<Fackamato> well, I still can't mount
<desrt> you should just be able to do mount -t nfs server:/path/on/server /mnt/point
<desrt> assuming your kernel has nfs support
<desrt> (modprobe nfs)
<Fackamato> root@fackamato:/home/fackamato # mount -t nfs 192.168.1.1:/www/warez /home/fackamato/warez_on_amiga
<Fackamato> just sits there
<Fackamato> btw, warez = my jpegs
<Fackamato> ;)
<desrt> oh
<^thehatsrule^> LOL
<desrt> ubuntu knows about warez
<fungus> check that portmap is running.  `rpcinfo -p`
<desrt> it has built-in copy protection technology
<Fackamato> portmap is running along with status, nfsd and mountd
<Fackamato> s/nfsd/nfs
<Tomcat23> I'm in the middle of a ubuntu install and I've got a quick question.....
<fungus> I meant check that portmap is running on the client.
<Fackamato> fungus: it is, that was output from the client.
<fungus> oh, why is your client running mountd,nfs,and status?  that is not necessary.
<Tomcat23> ...I've enabed S.M.A.R.T. in the bios, and now I'm getting an error that the disk is failing... could that be because I've just repartitioned and reformated the drive?
<Fackamato> fungus: because I tried to get nfs to work.
<Fackamato> still doesn't.
<fungus> from the client run `rpcinfo -p <server>`
<DXT> http://abum.com/?show_media=5889 the most dumb ass thing i saw in ages... but still funny
<knewt> Tomcat23: what does smartctl say about things?
<Fackamato> fungus: it just sits there, no output
<Tomcat23> knewt: what's smartctl?
<fungus> That is your problem, your server is not responding to portmap requests from the client.  firewall??
<knewt> Tomcat23: [[ smartctl - Control and Monitor Utility for SMART Disks ] ] 
<knewt> part of smartmontools
<Tomcat23> is it on the live or install disks?
<Fackamato> no firewall :/
<coachz> I see PG 8.0.1 listed here.  Is that in "standard" ubuntu or an unstable version?   http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
<coachz> oh, that's source i guess
<Tomcat23> knewt: I did an install, a reboot and then while I was installing packages it hung for a long time, so I rebooted and now I get that error...
<fungus> Fackamato, try running `rpcinfo -p` on the server.
<Fackamato> fungus: I get portmapper, status, nfs, nlockmgr, mountd
<Spooks> Hey hey
<andril> hello all
<`helix> is there any way to get libapache-mod-php4 in ubuntu for apache
<andril> since I upgraded to Hoary - alot of my GTK,Metacity & Icon themes just don't work - anyone having similar issues?
<fungus> Fackamato, run `sudo tcpdump port 111` on the client, then in another window run `rpcinfo -p <server>`.
<fungus> You should see traffic going in both directions.
<Fackamato> fungus: yeah I did
<farruinn> Tomcat_: you can't boot back into the system?
<Fackamato> I did see traffic with tcpdump, but rcpinfo just said nothing. still can't mount, this is strnage
<`helix> so there is no libapache-mod-php4
<fungus> did you see replies from the server?  or just the requests?
<farruinn> Tomcat_: sorry, guess you're not Tomcat23
<Tomcat_> :P
<farruinn> heatwave: try libapache2-mod-php4
<andril> any theme issues?
<farruinn> oops, `helix ^^^
<`helix> but i dont want it for apache2
<Fackamato> fungus: both
<Fackamato> 17:16:00.635766 IP fackamato.830 > www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc: S 1729540802:1729540802(0) win 5840 <mss 1460>
<Fackamato> 17:16:00.635968 IP www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc > fackamato.830: S 1349580188:1349580188(0) ack 1729540803 win 5840 <mss 1460>
<Fackamato> 17:16:03.636027 IP fackamato.830 > www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc: S 1729540802:1729540802(0) win 5840 <mss 1460>
<Fackamato> 17:16:03.636276 IP www.tehjunkyard.net.sunrpc > fackamato.830: S 1352580076:1352580076(0) ack 1729540803 win 5840 <mss 1460>
<alican> hi ..
<alican> How can I run X progs with root priv..
<goldfish> dont
<^thehatsrule^> sudo blah
<`helix> sudo <application>
<fungus> Fackamato, odd.  do you have any iptables rules `sudo iptables -L`
<farruinn> alican: use gksudo, you risk running into problems using just sudo
<goldfish> will that not own his Xauthority
<goldfish> or something like that
<`helix> alican: sudo <application>
<Get> when I try to compile php5 from the howto in the wiki, I got error: ext/libxml/libxml.lo: file not recognized: File truncated
<Fackamato> strange, actually yes
<farruinn> goldfish: ~/.ICEauthority, correct =)
<Fackamato> how do I disable iptables, fungus ?
<Get> how to fix?
<goldfish> farruinn: hehe
<alican> `helix,  t asks pass
<goldfish> that happened to me :)
<`helix> alican: huh?
<goldfish> Lesson:  never run x apps using root.
<zooko> Sigh.  When I compile the kernel myself, it is unable to boot.
<goldfish> :)
<fungus> Fackamato, `sudo iptables -F`
<ikaro> and then you cant get online again :>
<alican> `helix, angelaus@angel:~$ sudo xmms
<alican> Password:
<`helix> type your password
<farruinn> alican: use gksudo, don't use sudo with X apps
<ikaro> alican, use visudo to edit the /etc/sudoers file
<alican> you mean usert pass ?
<`helix> yes
<goldfish> alican: Why are you running xmms as root?
<farruinn> no kidding
<Symbiote> can somebody tell me where i can find the default ubuntus CD burners config file? i need to change path to where it saves the image
<Fackamato> fungus: dohg, thanks
<`helix> Symbiote: what application do you use?
<ander_> et
<sianis> hi all
<Symbiote> i dont know its the default one
<Symbiote> doesnt have a name
<goldfish> prolly the nautilus cd burner
<Symbiote> CD/DVD creator
<Symbiote> ya probably
<`helix> is it possible to use debian packages with ubuntu
<Symbiote> u use debian packeges iwth ubuntu
<Symbiote> so where can the config file be?
<farruinn> `helix: yes, but it is not recommended, they're built against different libraries
<akk> I'm trying to allow remote X connections on ubuntu.
<`helix> omg then how i am suppost to get libapache-mod-php4
<akk> I've tried removing the -nolisten tcp from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, which does the job on debian
<akk> but it doesn't seem to be enough on ubuntu.
<farruinn> `helix: I use 'sudo apt-get source -b [package] '
<Chipzz> akk: ubuntu as client or as server?
<nmoore> has anyone got "skype" running? i'm having a problem with libXft.so.1
<akk> Chipzz: X server running on ubuntu, X client running on another machine trying to display to ubuntu.
<paulproteus> akk: You're sure you don't want to SSH X forwarding instead?
<Symbiote> can anyone recomend a good cd writer for ubuntu then? i tried xcdroast but thats way too complicated
<paulproteus> Symbiote: k3b is widely recommended.
<Neill> k3b
<Symbiote> ok thnx
<akk> paulproteus: I haven't had good luck getting ssh to work with passwordless connections.
<`helix> xcdroast seems pretty easy to me
<caffinated> Symbiote: i second the k3b recommendation
<akk> paulproteus: This is on a lan, so it would be a whole lot easier just to use regular remote X.
<caffinated> i've tried them all, k3b is the only one i found worthwhile
<Symbiote> isnt k3b for KDE?
<Symbiote> i use gnome
* akk seconds the rec for k3b, even if you're not running kde
<caffinated> Symbiote: yes, but you can use it in gnome
<`helix> there is kde for hoary
<deFrysk> Symbiote, try graveman in gnome
<akk> kde apps in non-kde are annoying because they spew hundreds of lines of crap to stdout, but they work well anyway.
<Symbiote> okl
<paulproteus> akk: /me nods
<caffinated> akk: what you don't see won't hurt you ;)
<garrut> sianis: dwa says hi
<deFrysk> Symbiote, you can also try gnome-baker : http://people.debian.org/~goedson/debian/packages/gnomebaker/snapshots/gnomebaker_0.3-1_i386.deb
<deFrysk> they both can easyly replace k3b bloat
<Symbiote> k
<Symbiote> btw is there a way to increase the size of a partition without loosing data on it?
<deFrysk> >;)
<akk> eroaster is a nice lightweight burner, but I don't know how well it works in the modern 2.6 and dvd burning world.
<Chipzz> akk: do you have X forwarding on on the other machine, and installed xbase-clients on it?
<Darthfrog> Symbiote: Yes.  Use gparted.
<Symbiote> ok thanks
<Chipzz> akk: with on, I mean, enabled in the sshd_config?
<Chipzz> akk: the -nolisten option is not required here to get it working
<akk> Chipzz: I haven't tried ssh forwarding at all.  I run remote clients from the other machine to all my other machines without needing ssh.
<Chipzz> akk: ssh is the easy way, you don't need xhost or anything
<tsume> :)
<akk> "ssh" and "easy" in the same sentence ... I'm dubious.
<tsume> ubuntu is nice so far(hoary is anyway)
<Chipzz> akk: very much so
<tsume> akk: ssh is easy
<akk> Chipzz: So what's involved in getting that to work?  No, there's nothing in the remote machine's ssh config.
<Chipzz> akk: I always use ssh to run remote X apps because not using ssh is too much of a kludge
<tsume> ssh -X host
<akk> Kludge?  It works well in everything except ububtu .. I've been using remote X for years.
<Chipzz> chipzz@Vector:~$ grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
<Chipzz> X11Forwarding yes
<Chipzz> X11DisplayOffset 10
<Chipzz> apt-get install xbase-clients
<Chipzz> and then ssh -X otherhost
<Chipzz> and run your program
<tsume> akk: then you are doing it wrong(tm)
<akk> xbase clients is installed.
<Chipzz> akk: on the remote machine?
<akk> Yes.
<akk> "ssh -X otherhost" -- where does the name of the X program come in?
<Chipzz> akk: you can do ssh -X otherhost xclock
<Chipzz> or you can just execute xclock from the shell you get with ssh
<Chipzz> either will work
<akk> It prompts me for a password.
<victoria> nadie habla espaol?
<Chipzz> doesn't ssh always?
<akk> And then it doesn't work.
<akk> It says "command not found" even though typing the command from the cmdline works fine.
<Chipzz> akk: did you restart the ssh server on the remote host after changing the config?
<Symbiote> Darthfrog, where can i get gparted?
<akk> Chipzz: I'm confused here.  Why is the ssh server on the remote host involved?  Shoudn't it be the ssh server on my desktop, where the X server is running?
<Chipzz> akk: no not at all
<akk> The remote host is my mail server, where I'm reading mail and I want to display a photo someone sent me (for example).
<akk> So I'm in mutt and I call the mime handler to display a .jpg
<Chipzz> akk: ssh to the remote host, and then try to run xauth
<padlefot> how do i give myself acc to view the ntfs disk i just mounted?
<Symbiote> didnt found it in packeges
<Chipzz> akk: see if that works
<Symbiote> its called gpart it seems
<akk> I'm clearly not understanding this.  This "ssh -X imbrium cmd", is that going to be typed on the local machine or the remote machien?
<neiras> Hello - using ubuntu is it possible to listen to aiff files, or convert them to wavs?
<bung__> apt-cache search aiff
<Symbiote> can anyone else recommend another good partition app?
<bung__> brings up loads of stuff
<neiras> cool
<Chipzz> akk: on the local machine
<Symbiote> i need to increase the size of a partition without loosing data
* Chipzz afk for a while
<akk> Chipzz: I need to be able to run a command on the remote machine, because I'm in mutt and dealing with a mime attachment.
<Chipzz> akk: try to get it working from a normal shell first instead of from mutt
<akk> Fine for testing; but if it requires running a command on the local machine, it will never work from mutt.
<bung__> that's a good idea that is
<DXT> What's the best (ease of use and comfort wise) formula editor for linux? In windows I was using MathType.
<bung__> DXT: are you looking to making the computer do stuff with it, or just make it look pretty?
<DXT> look pretty :)
<ncp> how is ubuntu if i choose server? is it just with out desktop?
<bung__> learn latex
<DXT> and what would you answer me if I have said "to making the comp do stuff with it"?
<bung__> seriously, it makes all your stuff look professional
<bung__> probably warez maple or something
<bung__> although I suck at using it
<nmoore> DXT: emacs calc does a lot of maths stuff
<DXT> ok..
<sylvesterxxl> how can i place a short cut to a folder in the main window in ubuntu?
<JokeR2> hello
<DXT> is there anything close to mathtype? I tried the oo.org thingie (don't remember the name) - it was _ok_ but still it was missing a few things.
<bung__> seriously, latex.
<sylvesterxxl> how can i place a short cut to a folder in the main window in ubuntu?
<akk> Equation editing seems to be a real weak point.
<JokeR2> how much space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
<bung__> akk: in latex?!?
<DXT> once I have learned latex, it will be simple and fast to input formulas into my documents?
<bung__> very
<DXT> in linux i think he meant
<nmoore> DXT: into your latex documents, not OOo documents
<akk> DXT: There's a front end to latex called lyx but I don't know if it handles equations.  Probably not, but it's worth looking.
<DXT> hrmf
<bung__> pfft, once you've learned latex you never want OOo again
<deFrysk> is it possible to install ubuntu with reiser4 on amd64 with S-ATA disks ?
<DXT> I hope so :) thanks for the info, I hope latex isn't too hard to learn.
<sylvesterxxl> how can i place a short cut to a folder in the main window in ubuntu? how can i change the wallpaper using a jpg file i downloaded from internet?
<JokeR2> how much space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
<DXT> sylvesterxxl: to change wallpaper: right click in desktop->change background (something like that) then you can "add" new images to the set of available wallpapers.
<PacoBCN> new VLC is just soooo coool
<jason> ln -s /home/jason/media/ /home/jason/Desktop/media for shortcut sylvesterxxl
<bung__> DXT: if you have any probelms tell me as I just finished doing my disseration in it
<cavediver> I can't get this figured out. I can't install OO.org2, the -core package is unlisted in the package-list. Although I have for example the -common package..
<JokeR2> how much hard drive space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
<bung__> so I'm fairly familiar with it atm :)
<padlefot> how do i mount an ntfs disk and make i readable from my user??
<DXT> bung_: disseration?
<akk> So, is there really no way to do remote X display on ubuntu?  Is this an Xorg limitation?
<padlefot> can somebody please help me?
<bung__> DXT: uni project
<chillywilly> anyone know how I can add menu entries?
<DXT> oh
<olle> noob
<olle> noobs
<olle> your all noobs
<ac^> yo, i'm using hoary and wondering how i could change my character set into scandinavian ones?
<ac^> my keyboard layout is already scandinavian
<olle> does any off you play WoW
<DXT> sorry, only noobs play wow.
<bung__> sounds like fighting talk
<DXT> real men play tuxracer.
<JokeR2> you know what you were a noob too at one time
<olle> what
<olle> no
<nmoore> padlefot: off the top of my head: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdX /mnt/ntfs
<olle> noobs
<leobardo> Hi i install the visualboyadvance debian package but i cant run the installed  aplication some one can help me?
<olle> just play WoW once and fell the joy
<bung__> nmoore: that's only readable by root
<JokeR2> how much hard drive space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
<olle> bung__ has a short dick
<olle> hallo
<JokeR2> dont anyone know
<bung__> olle: so does your mumn
<bung__> -n
<JokeR2> how much hard drive space is required for just the full install of ubuntu linux?
<DXT> joker.. not much, 2gig perhaps
<JokeR2> ty DXT
<nmoore> padlefot: add a line to /etc/fstab for the disk with an option "user"
<olle> what does my mom
<olle> you suck at WoW] 
<leobardo> Hi i install the visualboyadvance debian package but i cant run the installed  aplication some one can help me?
<olle> i own everybody here_
<`helix> is there a way to get php mod for apache 1.3.33
<olle> mary kate is nice
<olle> ha
<nmoore> padlefot:does that help you at all?
<olle> and ashley__
<olle> what
<olle> hallo noobs
<olle> i like mary kate
<akk> Oh, I forgot to test tuxracer.  Blah, ubuntu isn't doing DRM right on my radeon.
<akk> libGL error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted)
<Zyan_eq> Has anyone rebuilt a kernel on the Hoary release here?
<akk> Also "No available audio device" even though gnome plays sound fine.
<leobardo> Hi i install the visualboyadvance debian package but i cant run the installed  aplication some one can help me?
<IamJacksUsername> What's the difference between array7 and the preview isos?
<Zyan_eq> ok.. is there a #ubuntu-dev channel? or something similar
<goldfish> try :)
<marcin_ant> hi all
<Zyan_eq> I did, was all alone =/
<nmoore> Zyan_eq: what was it regarding? do you know that there are guides?
<marcin_ant> could someone heeeelp me and tell how to share printer between two linux boxes?
<Zyan_eq> nmoore: I have read the guides, I cannot get libncurses-dev. from any repository
<Zyan_eq> nmoore: I'm looking for the "Ubuntu" way of doing things for testing. I'm familiar with kernel build process of redhat/gentoo/deb
<nmoore> Zyan_eq: pass!
<Zyan_eq> I just find it strange that I have yet to find someone that has rebuilt a kernel on Hoary =/
<jason> marcin_ant: I use a usp print server I got from newegg for 30 bucks it works nice and works for my GNU/Linux boxed and my gfs winders box
<Zyan_eq> nmoore: thanks though )
<neiras> the only thing that pisses me off about the stock ubuntu kernel is that it has an ancient driver for my webcam - and I haven't figured out the 'right' way to build third-party kernel drivers yet
<sheep_> ubuntu rulez
<neiras> sheep rule... they have wool, and wool is warm
<neiras> plus they follow along with the flock
<nmoore> does anyone know if the stock kernel has patches applied compared to mainline?
<garrut> they taste good too
<neiras> Mutton!
<marcin_ant> jason: so you got "hardware" print server right?
<neiras> nmoore, I believe so
<neiras> apt-get source <kernel package> applies them
<deFrysk> Zyan_eq, try linux-restriced-modules
<marcin_ant> jason: I just want to share printer connected to ubuntu box and use this from my ubuntu laptop...
<Zyan_eq> deFrysk: thanks, trying now
<marcin_ant> jason: and no help, no info localhost:631 blocked and I don't know what to do
<jason> marcin_ant: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=33-129-220&depa=0
<Zyan_eq> deFrysk: installed already, and doesn't include libncurses-dev.
<jason> marcin_ant: sorry I dont know how we use laptops and it works great for me
<bung__> damn clones
<deFrysk> Zyan_eq, libncurses5.dev
<deFrysk> Zyan_eq, libncurses5-dev sorry
<Zyan_eq> deFrysk: nothing in any repository with that
<Zyan_eq> deFrysk: at least that I can find
<deFrysk> Zyan_eq, got universe multiverse ?
<Zyan_eq> deFrysk: universe
<deFrysk> Zyan_eq, add multiverse
<deFrysk> just put the name behind universe
<neiras> which package provides the gstreamer video-thumbnailer for gnome?
<DarthFrog> neiras: Use syntaptic and search for it.
<marcin_ant> jason: thanks but 1. I won't buy newegg in Poland, 2. I need to do this today for my customer I don't have money for printserwer from him and this should work just with cups or samba
<marcin_ant> jason: but without documentation it is hard....
<Zyan_eq> deFrysk: thanks, that worked!
<jason> marcin_ant: http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/ try this link
<deFrysk> Zyan_eq, good :)
<AcidWolf> can anyone tell me how id add this to my sources.list  http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/
<jason> marcin_ant: and gentoos guide, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml
<AcidWolf> i tried adding it and it keeps saying Malformed line 28
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, mplayer is in universe/multiverse
<AcidWolf> on hoary
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, yes
<AcidWolf> oh ok i only have universe
<AcidWolf> what is the link for multiverse
<deFrysk> AcidWolf,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats read the info on mplayer for hoary
<AcidWolf> coultn find the info for hoary
<AcidWolf> else i would have
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, just put the word multiverse behind universe
<AcidWolf> k
<deFrysk> like so universe multiverse
<AcidWolf> ok
<AcidWolf> thank you
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, also add the marrillat repo , not the crimson repo
<AcidWolf> PPC
<AcidWolf> that repo doesnt support ppc
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, oh darn
<AcidWolf> indeed
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, then you have to get hte w32 codecs manually
<HomerJSimpson> Hello, I need some help please. I have installed ubuntu and cannot get my mp3's to play. Ubuntu does however have sound
<AcidWolf> and i added multiverse after universe and that didnt work
<AcidWolf> i did apt-get update aswell
<AcidWolf> :)
<mjr> HomerJSimpson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, show me the line
<AcidWolf> ok
<deFrysk> just the line
<HomerJSimpson> Thanks!
<deFrysk> not the whole list
<AcidWolf> # deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
<AcidWolf> # deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, see the comment ?
<deFrysk> remove it ;)
<deFrysk> otherwise you have nothing
<AcidWolf> you mean #
<AcidWolf> :)
<deFrysk> yup
<Symbiote> is there a tool in ubuntu that allows to increase size of a partition? if not tell me the name of the app please
<AcidWolf> cool
<deFrysk> now upgrade and get mplayer ;)
<AcidWolf> upgrade or update
<AcidWolf> apt-get update
<deFrysk> AcidWolf, both
<deFrysk> update and upgrade
<AcidWolf> um
<AcidWolf> ok
<Symbiote> anyone?
<goldfish> Symbiote: what filesystem?
<Symbiote> ext2
<ioc> somebody there ?
<deFrysk> ioc, just me and 401 others
<ioc> i dl the hoary live cd for ppc
<goldfish> Symbiote: parted, cfdisk
<goldfish> maybe
<Symbiote> ok thnx
<AcidWolf> well done ioc
<AcidWolf> now install it
<AcidWolf> :)
<ioc> and i wonder if i can use this one to install hoary
<Symbiote> but is it possible to increase size without loosing data?
<deFrysk> ioc, want a short or long answer ?
<ioc> er
<ioc> the long one
<AcidWolf> deFrysk i was just going to say that
<deFrysk> no
<ioc> lol
<deFrysk> thats the long one ;)
<ioc> cause i dl the 659 mb thing
<ioc> ;)
<ioc> and there is a directory called install
<jason> ioc do you have broadband?
<ioc> yes
<deFrysk> ioc, not sure how live works but afaIk its not installable
<ioc> but i want it to install now :)
<jason> would be easier and faster to get the install iso
<AcidWolf> what was the link that you downloaded it from
<ioc> k my other pc is just dl it
<ioc> wait
<jason> but you probly could, you may even be able to install from sarge
<AcidWolf> yes you can build ubuntu with the live cd
<ioc> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/hoary-preview-live-powerpc.iso
<AcidWolf> ok
<AcidWolf> i wouldnt recomend it ioc
<ioc> k
<ioc> then i get the install iso
<jason> would be nice to have an ftp install iso
<AcidWolf> yes
<AcidWolf> that would make things alot easier
<ioc> another question, can i make a secondary partition with mac osx ?
<AcidWolf> yes you can
<ioc> and will it be detacted by yaboot
<mjr> incidentally, is it planned to send free hoary cds around too or not, ie. will I burn some myself for the university students' lounge? ;)
<AcidWolf> mjr i got 30 cds on order
<ioc> i should do that afterwards right ?
<deFrysk> mjr, free cds wil be shipped yes
<AcidWolf> no ioc you do that first
<ioc> ah
<ioc> first mac osx
<AcidWolf> yes ioc
<ioc> but do i have to make new partitions first ?
<AcidWolf> would anyone else like to step up to the plate
<AcidWolf> yes ioc
<AcidWolf> use your remaining space
<ioc> mhh
<ioc> ah k
<jason> ioc: just leave room
<ioc> ok well... see ya later ... hopefully
<AcidWolf> fingers crossed ioc
<mjr> AcidWolf, mmh, can one preorder hoary? How? Are all orders for Hoary nowadays?
<AcidWolf> mjr all the orders have been suspended
<AcidWolf> pending the release of hoary
<AcidWolf> so all the cds that are ordered now will be hoary and not warty
<mjr> right, 'cause that's not clear on the order form
<mjr> good, then I think I'll put some on order
<mjr> thanks
<AcidWolf> yeah good idea
<AcidWolf> i ordered for all architectures
<AcidWolf> cause i hand them out
<mjr> yes, I will too; there are AMD64 and PPC users here in the uni
<linuzo> Hey all..  How do I disable the mouse over on kubuntu on the Panel buttons?
<AcidWolf> are you using shipit
<mjr> Mac laptops tend to be somewhat popular nowadays...
<mjr> AcidWolf, yes, shipit
<AcidWolf> yes im on my mac laptop now
<AcidWolf> mjr they mention in shipit that all cds sent after a certain date will be hoary cds and not warty
<AcidWolf> and that if you wish to order a large amount of cds you should email them with your order and the reason for all the cds
<mjr> oh, right, it was that "Important notice" on the login screen that I neglected to read
<linuzo> Acidwolf do you know how to disable the mouse hover on the panel on kubuntu?
<mjr> *blush*
<mgcross> hi all
<mjr> I just eyed around on the order form itself...
<AcidWolf> linuzo no sorry i dont :(
<linuzo> ok,..
<AcidWolf> yes mjr thats the one :p
<linuzo> it must just be a kde 3.4 thing
<AcidWolf> linuzo the forums are you friend look around
<linuzo> there isn't much info on kubuntu yet
<Spooks> Hello
<mgcross> anyone have any insight as to why nvtv segfaults? running hoary 5.4 64
<linuzo> not that I could find
<arek> where is the rar/unrar package?
<mjr> hmm, last time I ordered 10 x86, they went pretty well, perhaps some more this time around
<AcidWolf> yes thats cause it unstabel at the moment
<linuzo> Why you need so many cd's?
<mjr> linuzo, I'm the main ubuntu advocate and distributor of the CS department of my university ;)
<linuzo> mjr, Ahh nice..
<linuzo> What university
<mjr> Helsinki
<mgcross> kubuntu works ok....have it installed seperatly (diff part)
<linuzo> yeah nice..  mgcross
<AcidWolf> mgcross smart move :)
<linuzo> I like kde so :P
<mjr> actually, had some lectures too on administrating a Linux workstation, with focus on Ubuntu and Fedora
<linuzo> wow so Ubuntu is pretty popular then..
<mjr> (this is a traditional red hat shop, hence Fedora also ;P )
<linuzo> I just heard about this last week so I through it on.
<linuzo> lol
<neiras> most of our technical staff here is running ubuntu
<arek> nonfree multiverse thx
<Dr_Aevil> hi guys - I'm trying to get my friend's Nforce2 mobo's in-built audio to use all his speakers - 5.1 surround sound and am having trouble doing so - probalby not least since alsaconf is missing.  Could someone who has that chipset tell me if they had any trouble getting it to do proper surround either using the nvidia nvsound module or the intel8x0 one.
<mgcross> I used to love KDE....since using ubuntu-gnome it seems....hack-kneed...lol
<linuzo> lol..
<neiras> mgcross - yeah - I used KDE forever, but GNOME has become so clean and pretty
<linuzo> lol.
<Spooks> Anyone point me to a repository that has the latest bahamut?
<linuzo> So Ubuntu is converting everyone.
<linuzo> lol
<mgcross> win32codecs for 64bit would make me dual-boot less :-)
<neiras> I'm waiting for my GNOME2 dev guide book... taking frever to get here
<mjr> mgcross, I have a 32-bit chroot with w32codecs for emergency use
<phxguy> Can Someone Help me with my External USB Drive
<neiras> phxguy, what do you need
<goldfish> phxguy: what's up?
<goldfish> it should work plug and play
<phxguy> I have an External   Maxtor 120Gig Drive. and it doesn't mouunt    properlly...
<mgcross> i was using nforce3 mobo's built in sound....couldn't get dig i/o to work....stuck an old sb live 5.1 in and presto!
<phxguy> gives me the error mount: can't find /dev/sde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
<linuzo> phxguy,  you have to edit the fstab
<linuzo> or just manually mount it as root
<mgcross> mjr...ubuntu boots quickly enough that I havn't bothered with chroot...got cedega to wok fine 64 bit as well
<mgcross> er work
<phxguy> I put it in the fstab earlier but then i get an error msg buring boot-up that sayd device does not exist
<linuzo> phxguy, maybe it's setup as a different device file..
<arek> phxguy: you shouldnt automount it at boot time use 0 0 as last arguments in fstab
<phxguy> thats what i had in there earlier arek but it gave me an error. I followed theh instruction for mounting an ntfs device on ubuntuguiide.org
<phxguy> I also have a problem accessing my usb flash drive...
<mgcross> can anyone help me with xorg.conf for nvidia tv-out...having a hell of a time...
<mgcross> phxguy, usb flash drive should automount when you insert it...mine does at any rate...what errors do you get?
<arek> phxguy: check what dmesg says
<phxguy> I get the same error saying: mount: can't find /dev/sdf1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
<MeHere> hey guys
<MeHere> is there a room for hoary?
<tritium> mgcross, did you read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz ?
<tritium> MeHere, you're in it ;)
<DarthFrog> MeHere: This is t.
<DarthFrog> it.
<MeHere> ok
<phxguy> arek: when i type dmesg or sudo dmesg i get this error:
<phxguy> atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd9 on isa0060/serio0).
<phxguy> atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e059 <keycode>' to make it known.
<MeHere> what should i do for dumping my already installed warty and getting hoary
<MeHere> i tried aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade
<goldfish> MeHere: did u edit sources.list
<MeHere> but didn't do what i wanted
<goldfish> ?
<arek> phxguy: that got nothing to do with usb storage
<MeHere> yes
<goldfish> kk
<mgcross> tritium, no, several howto's...X goes bork whenever I edit the file (xorg.conf) i'll have a look...
<DarthFrog> MeHere: Change all instances of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
<cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
<MeHere> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ universe multiverse
<tritium> mgcross, that file has the information you seek
<amiroff> anyone using konqueror extensively here ? :)
<linuzo> no for java
<linuzo> lol
<MeHere> apt-get has dist-upgrade?
<cusco> MeHere: yes
<DarthFrog> MeHere: deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
<mgcross> Thanks tritium, I'll give it a boo...rather ham-fisted tho....lol
<MeHere> i don't want the restricted
<linuzo> anyone know how to get rid of the hover over on kde on the panel icons?
<MeHere> i want universe
<BockBilbo> hey
<phxguy> arek:  so what am i looking for ??
* tritium looks at mgcross, perplexed by the meaning of his words
<DarthFrog> MeHere: Insert hoary between ubuntu and universe in that line you posted.
<BockBilbo> anyone here knows if there is an irc channel for vsftp?
<tritium> MeHere, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/
<MeHere> universe hoary multiverse?
<arek> phxguy: any usb storage message
<DarthFrog> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
<BockBilbo> tritium, do you know anything about vsftp?
<tritium> BockBilbo, no, sorry.
<tritium> mgcross, what is giving a boo?  and how about ham-fisted?
<BockBilbo> :S
<maddler_> evenin' dudes!
<MeHere> on the webpage they posted it says hoary universe multiverse
<phxguy> arek ok if I scoll up a bit i have some things referring to my flash card reader.
<tritium> MeHere, you can list on the same line or separate lines.  Either way.
<arek> phxguy: it should tell you the device name for your usb stick
<mgcross> tritium, ham-fisted is clumsy and having a boo is local slang for taking a look at something
<tritium> mgcross, thanks for the translation :)  (local to where?)
<gsuveg> re
<phxguy> arek: ok... i found the etry for my usb stick.... says it is sdf
<gsuveg> anyone use vncserver on hoary ?
<mgcross> tritium, yes, same readme as on nvidia's site...but again, X won't start when I make ANY change to xorg.conf file...
<mgcross> Tritium Nova Scotia..
<phxguy> arek: but the error referrs to sdf1
<tritium> mgcross, I can show you how I setup my file
<arek> phxguy: sdf wow hmm fdisk -l /dev/sdf
<mgcross> tritium, that would be great....my wife is making windows noises at me because we can't watch movies...lol
<tritium> heh
<phxguy> arek: this  is what i get: /dev/sdf1   *           1        1904      487408    6  FAT16
<tritium> mgcross, you want TV out or 2nd monitor?
<arek> phxguy: mount /dev/sdf1 /media/somthing -t vfat
<tritium> mgcross, here's my config for twinview with a projector: http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/xorg.conf.twinview
<liran> the new ubuntu released?
<mgcross> trtium, what I'm looking for is monitor/tv with tv to the right of monitor....worked well for me with Debian Sarge
<arek> phxguy: just create dir whare you want to mount your device
<tritium> liran, not until April
<liran> great
<liran> :)
<mgcross> tritium, thanks, will have a look...
<tritium> mgcross, no problem.  Your needs should only require minor changes.
<^thehatsrule^> and make sire the dir is empty..
<bluefoxicy> lolz haha I killed openoffice by switching to/away very quickly.
<mgcross> tritium, thanks...will play with your settins a bit
<tritium> mgcross, good luck
<mgcross> er settings
<mgcross> ty
<AcidWolf> i seriously hope this Mplayer install atempt works
<bedboi> hi there.
<bedboi> how to add root ?
<justin`> looks like there is a lot of newbies here
<goldfish> hehe
<AcidWolf> open terminal
<tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<AcidWolf> and then type this sudo passwd
<AcidWolf> it will ask you to enter a new unix password
<bedboi> tritium: tanks
<padlefot> sudo passwd root
<AcidWolf> and then as you to renter it for confirmation
<tritium> no prob.
<AcidWolf> :)
<suki> hi ... i'm new here and want to know where i can find a german "project-branch" ... can you help me?
<suki> or am i here wrong ...
<sylvesterxxl>  how can i move some files from une dir to other?
<spades> cd dir; mv files newdir
<heatwave> sylvesterxxl: using the terminal or nautilus (the file browser)
<heatwave> ?
<sylvesterxxl> nautilus is easier for moving files?
<_BIJ_> hi@ all
<tritium> sylvesterxxl, that's personal preference
<heatwave> sylvesterxxl: nautilus is just drag and drop (or cut/n/paste), depends on your preference
<sylvesterxxl> nautilus lets you manage files and folders without the need to use terminal?
<_BIJ_> my wlan is not workin properly with ubuntu... everytime i do nothing for a longer time the wlan gets a connectionproblem with an exclamation mark in the upper right corner with the two networkdisplays... what is wron with my ubuntu 5.04???
<jintxo> suki, try joining #ubuntu-de, maybe someone can help you there
<suki> thx
<dashnu> _BIJ_, what chipset is you card?
<_BIJ_> dashnu, it's an intel bg 2200 wireless lan (in a centrino computer)
<GnuKemist> _BIJ_: are you using ndiswrapper or is your card supported out of the box???  Just curious
<jazzka> hi!
<GnuKemist> jazzka: hi
<jazzka> any idea if iriver mp3 players run correctly with linux?
<dashnu> _BIJ_, also what does lspci show for your card
<gsuveg> Kaloz: .
<tritium> jazzka, I have an ifp-880, and it works fine with ifp-line
<jazzka> tritium, does ubuntu recognize it? can you transfer files and music and play them?
<jazzka> tritium, any problem?
<tritium> jazzka, yes
<tritium> no problem
<jazzka> tritium, you my God
<jazzka> you are my God, I mean. ;)
<jazzka> and it plays ogg files!!
<_BIJ_> dashnu, i'm using the box driver of ubuntu... they work properly until i leave my computer "alone" for a while
<bedboi> tritium: if i run sudo -s it asks for password
<bedboi> tremor: what's up?
<jintxo> hey tritium thanks for posting your xorg.conf file I was planning on getting that configured, now I have a nice example :-)
<tritium> bedboi, yes, yours
<dashnu> _BIJ_, not sure man, your kern.log may give some needed log info
<bedboi> tremor: ah
<tritium> jintxo, you're welcome
<_BIJ_> dashnu, where is it located?
<dashnu> /var/log
<_BIJ_> kk hold up
<dashnu> you would need to 'catch it in the act' unless you know what you are looking for
<dashnu> reading some stuff about firmware
<dashnu> then hotplug will load it at boot
<tritium> jazzka, heh, you're silly
<jazzka> tritium, why?
<jesus\> what ftp gui's are there other than gftp?
<_BIJ_> dashnu, it loads correctly and everything is fine... just until i do nothing for lets say 20 min...
<jesus\> filezilla isn't in portage
<pv_> nautilus :)
<dashnu> _BIJ_, could be many things.. acpi is screwing with it / your bios may have some weird power options set. the software may just be buggy
<dashnu> cant really pin point it
<dashnu> tail -f /var/log/kern.log
<dashnu> watch for the error
<Sontek> Does ubuntu have mount on  its liveCD? And floppy support?  I need to try to recover a floppy disk
<_BIJ_> dashnu, i assume that it is some kind of power-save option that clocks it down after some time doing nothing....
<dashnu> may be in a different log
<_BIJ_> ok i'll watch
<dashnu> try to edit your grub.conf and add no-acpi to the boot line
<dashnu> not sure the exact sytanx of that you will have to google
<toerli> i search a usenet client which can fetch binarys... any idea?
<dashnu> i had that issue a long time ago when wireless was first hitting linux
<dashnu> drove me crazy
<_BIJ_> dashnu, but i need the processor to be clocked automaticall if i turn acpi off then it will no longer clock itself, or does it?
<sianis> hi all
<dashnu> think you will be all set
<sianis> can some1 write shell scripts?
<dashnu> you can always set it back
<dashnu> sure sianis
<dashnu> lots of people i bet ;)
<_BIJ_> dashnu, can this be the error: Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8000000,400000 found
<_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8400000,100000 found
<_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8500000,80000 found
<_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a8580000,40000 found
<_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a85c0000,20000 found
<_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a85e0000,8000 found
<_BIJ_> Mar 22 19:04:07 localhost kernel: mtrr: no MTRR for a85e8000,1000 found
<dashnu> pm with that crap so you do not spam the room
<DommyFlon> I am a complete novice who just installed Ubuntu and I am trying to resolve a problem with my display--apparently I need to edit the XF86Config-4 file.  My problem is that I have no idea how to do this.  I can open up a root terminal, but i am stuck from there.
<_BIJ_> ok sorry... i didn't want to flood the room.... :-/ Sorry
<dashnu> sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
<liran> why using ubuntu ?
<dashnu> DommyFlon, ^
<liran> can anyone answer ?
<DommyFlon> Thanks dashnu  I 'll try it!
<dashnu> or gedit
<cusco> liran: why not?
<wdh> liran, because we like it :)
<sylvesterxxl> finally i was abel to create codecs dir and to move there all codecs essential-20050115.tar.bz2 and now what?
<dashnu> i use gentoo for servers
<dashnu> ubuntu is a great Desktop OS
<sylvesterxxl> finally i was abel to create codecs dir and to move there all codecs essential-20050115.tar.bz2 and now what?
<wdh> and has Debian as a basis.. which is a good thing in my opinion
<_BIJ_> dashnu, how can i send you a personal message with xchat?
<dashnu> right click my name ?
<wdh> _BIJ_, /msg dashnu blaat?
<wdh> its quite universal :)
<cusco> _BIJ_: /query nick
<sylvesterxxl> dashnu
<CarlK_> why is there an RPM tree under /usr/src ?
<sylvesterxxl> dashnu
<sylvesterxxl> finally i was abel to create codecs dir and to move there all codecs essential-20050115.tar.bz2 and now what?
<dashnu> huh
<sylvesterxxl> to view divx i have created dir codecs into /usr/local/lib and have just move there all codecs ... what should i do now to see divx?
<sylvesterxxl> to view divx i have created dir codecs into /usr/local/lib and have just move there all codecs ... what should i do now to see divx?
<gteppel> Lilo is refusing to boot on my Debian box so I booted up a Live CD on the box and was wondering how i can reinstall lilo or even grub from the live cd....
<gteppel> Ubuntu Live CD
<tritium> sylvesterxxl, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<buz> is there any place i can get a packaged version of qemu with accelerator (i know it's non free)
<cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
<cusco> its like it goes down... I dunno why
<cusco> and when then I do ifup wlan0
<cusco> and it can't get a dhcp ofer signal
<cusco> !
<cusco> :(
<tritium> buz, the accelerator is only available in the CVS version, as far as I know
<justin`> is it pronounced you bunt you or eww bunt eww or eww bunt you or what? :)
<vixus> Hey, I tried to install gnome-blog and got this error when I added it to my panel: [[The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_BlogApplet".] ] 
<tritium> justin`, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/pronunciation/
<vixus> justin`: ooboontoo... XD That's how I say it =o
<vixus> Yes!! I got it right!
<vixus> Anyway, back to my rather trivial problem. gnome-blog won't work.
<numb> hey, i'm having a problem with mp3's, i've installed gstreamer-mad but when i try to open one mp3, the application appears on the screen then suddenly the application closes
<vixus> Can anyone help. ;|
<numb> and nothing more appear, does anyone know what it could be?
<vixus> numb: Check out ubuntuguide.org
<vixus> numb: I think you may need more than that.
<vixus> Well.. tell me if you can help me. I'm off to revise for biology. =p
<Ruby_live> hey... guys... i had a problem with X-server (new installation) some one told me to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but the system says xserver-xorg is either broken or not fully installed... what now?
<nis> My session ends for no reason I can think of -- I walk away to do something and when I come back I see the greeter for gdm instead of the active session.  I use xscreensaver to lock the session, btw.  I've never seen this before; otoh I've rarely used gdm in the past.
<vixus> Ruby_live: So are you on commandline?
<dizzie> Rudy_live, xorg -configure
<Ruby_live> right now i am in a liceCD distro...
<Ruby_live> *liveCD
<nis> (running Xfree and warty not xorg and hoary)
<vixus> Ruby_live: Have you done anything dodgy, I couldn't get X to work after upgrading to hoary.
<xiglet> what is going on with the repositaries for hoary these days? (multiverse, universe, marillat) I added these and did a apt-get update. After that, I almost can't install anything, even I have removed them. Broken packages etc
<dizzie> Ruby_live, try: xorg -configure
<vixus> nis: I dunno. Pretty weird. Is there some sort of auto-logout thang? XD
<Ruby_live> unser sudo?
<vixus> Ruby_live: Sure
<Ruby_live> ok...
<Ruby_live> thanks...
<nis> vixus: it sounds like some kind of session manager that times out an idle session doesn't it?
<vixus> Can anyone help me install this gnome blog thing... correction, can anyone help me make it work? =o
<vixus> nis: Yeah, I guess...
<vixus> nis: I don't know about such things (I'm moaning about gnome blog here)
<DommyFlon> Thanks Dashnu--I tried to edit the XF86Config-4 with gedit, but the file was read-only.  My thought was to select all, paste to another gedit document, make my changes and then replace the orig with my edited version.  i wound up not doing it cause the display problem resolved itself (X in the middle of screen)
<nis> vixus: I figure it to be either xscreensaver or gdm.  I think I've ironed out the other variables.  Possibly .. my window manager (sawfish).  Or a cron job I don't know about.
<vixus> nis: Sawfish, eh? Check out its options.
<dashnu> DommyFlon, you need to use sudo
<nis> vixus: well I'm a veteran sawfish user, but ur' right, I haven't checked for new options/defaults yet.
<tritium> xiglet, they're working fine.  You probably have a bad sources.list file, or something
<marcin_ant> come on guys I reallllly need to configure printer sharing on ubuntu
<marcin_ant> please help me
<spiral> hello
<spiral> anyone using ubuntu on a ppc here ?
<topyli> marcin_ant: share it with what?
<marcin_ant> topyli: linux with... linux
<nis> allio`afk: btw last night in Xfree (warty) I found I needed 'Option "omit DPMS"' in 'SubSection "extmod"' of XF86Config-4.
<vixus> topyli: He wants to make his printer network-accessible.
<nis> oops
<marcin_ant> topyli: I got linux on desktop
<marcin_ant> topyli: and on laptop
<tritium> marcin_ant, cups
<vixus> marcin_ant: Just find a printer networking guide.
<nis> that should have been 'all:'
<topyli> marcin_ant: never done that. i only have samba shares here :(
<marcin_ant> tritium: I know - but it _just doesn't work_
<akk> Isn't cups supposed to just magically see other print servers?
<vixus> marcin_ant: http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/networking/printsharing.shtml
<topyli> marcin_ant: anyway, cups is networking by nature
* nis so brainfried I can't remember what that fixes (extmod).
<marcin_ant> topyli: you know - this is crazy because this printer works with windows beautifully
<marcin_ant> topyli: laptop is dualboot
<marcin_ant> topyli: printer is shared with samba
<marcin_ant> topyli: and works great from xp on laptop
<topyli> marcin_ant: probably cups is just listening to localhost only and you have to make it listen to your network interface too
<vixus> marcin_ant: Ah... so linux<->linux is a bigger problem? =o
<marcin_ant> topyli: and doesn't at all from linux
<marcin_ant> vixus: exactly :)
<vixus> marcin_ant: See chat box.
<marcin_ant> vixus: and this is crazy don't you think :) ?
<vixus> marcin_ant: T)
<nis> My printer can print from inside Mac-On-Linux -- but it is tcp/ip based setup (printer has a print server).
<someguy32> i got a quick question: is it possible to write to ext3 from within windows (from ntfs)?
<nis> CUPS is extremely intolerant of bad syntax. ;)
<DarthFrog> someguy32: Yes, but you will have to install ext3fs drivers in windows.
<topyli> marcin_ant: it's not so crazy. ubuntu makes services not listen to network so you don't need a firewall. you need to enable cups to listen to other interfaces besides lo
<tritium> marcin_ant, what does /usr/share/cups/browsing_status tell you?
<nis> DarthFrog: ain't that a Danger Will Robinson moment? ext3 under windows?
<borchposselt> Is there a way to change the command associated with an entry in the application menu on Hoary? I need to change the k3b entry so it is run as root (or whatever you call this in Ubuntu). I don't mind doing it by cli
<topyli> marcin_ant: just be careful you won't make it accessible over the whole internet :)
<DarthFrog> nis: It shouldn't necessarily be.  Windows supports installable file systems.
<vixus> Why won't gnome blog WORK? >:|
<nis> topyli: good point.
<topyli> heh
<tritium> marcin_ant, is it enabled?
<nis> DarthFrog: after losing a filesystem or two /under linux/ from messing with vfat I'm super cautious about interoperating between OS's.  exception (flawless) was Mac-On-Linux, which never corrupted the native Apple filesystem (dual-boot machine).
<neighborlee> anyone know why: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extension < doesn't contain xf86vmode.h: reason i'm asking is I'm compiling a app that needs that header..and according to debian.org ,- xlibs-static-dev ( whcih acording to synaptic IS a installed package) is in unstable yet ubuntu shows that header clearly not in the DIR I pasted and wondering why they would have chosen to leave it out ??? ;-))
<Dr_Willis> borchposselt,  why do ya need to run k3b as root?  is a better question.
<keffo> hm
<klaym> can anyone give me the name of a program that one can use to attach photos to make an animation?
<akk> I've had problems (on other systems, not tried it on hoary yet) with k3b as non-root.
<keffo> what ftp-client to use? gFTP is the worst ever
<akk> Seems to burn coasters more often that way.
<marcin_ant> tritium: nothing
<vixus> keffo: Works for me... :/
<marcin_ant> tritium: I mean no output from ./browsing_status
<nis> neighborlee: possibly it's deprecated? (wild guess).
<borchposselt> Dr_Willis: yeah, that's what I thought too, but if I do that it won't write anything :(
<spades> keffo: http://www.linux.org/apps/all/Networking/FTP.html
<Dr_Willis> borchposselt,  sounds like some permission issue or mounting the cd/dvd issue.
<tritium> marcin_ant, take a look at /etc/cups/cupsd-browsing.conf.  If it's not enabled, try /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing
<borchposselt> Dr_Willis: I'm sure it is
<keffo> spades, any specific?
<cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
<nis> vixus: btw the problem with idle session logouts never appears when I'm active at the keyboard; typically my idle timer at keyboard never gets beyond the two-minute mark (I'm always typing /something/ ;)
<Dr_Willis> borchposselt,  run k3b from a shell and see if it spits out any messages.. i'd help more - but i gotta go to work. good luck
<spades> keffo: i use gftp so i duno, check out the developers' pages for screenshots
<vixus> marcin_ant: lpadmin?
<marcin_ant> tritium: cat /etc/cups/cupsd-browsing.conf
<cusco> its like its always disconnecting
<marcin_ant> tritium: Browsing On
<tritium> marcin_ant, both machines?
<borchposselt> Dr_Willis: I did, and it returned lot's of errors, unfortunately none of which gave me an idea of the problem
<nis> I actually like CUPS very much.  Ran perfect under Gentoo and Mac-On-Linux.
<vixus> marcin_ant: Try the lpadmin utility.
<vixus> Ok, I gotta go revise for Biology.
<nis> Using a print server is very free-ing.  It's a great way to standardize printer connections.
<justin`> anyone else drink shitloads of alkaline water daily? :)
<vixus> (Said that ages ago... but oh well.)
<vixus> See you around. =|
<nis> justin`: heh.
<marcin_ant> vixus: lpadmin doesn't do any changes in /etc/cups/printers.conf
<nis> vixus: cya
<justin`> nis: do you?
<marcin_ant> tritium: no
<marcin_ant> tritium: second machine is on warty live currently
<nis> justin`: I don't know the PH but damn water does bother me.  I let the chlorinated tap water sit a few days before drinking it.
<topyli> nis: so what has changed? is just switched from lpd to cups when i upgraded to hoary, nothing changed except one key in my smb.conf :)
<borchposselt> So, anyone know if there is a way of changing the command associated with an entry in the application menu on Hoary?
<tritium> marcin_ant, try /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing on it
<justin`> nis: interesting
<akk> borchposselt: It's certainly possible ... you just have to find the files that control those menus.
<nis> topyli: I haven't tackled CUPS in ubuntu yet.  I just got ubuntu fully installed last night (omitting all the desktop crap; just updated from a fully-functional Debian Woody installation under powerpc).
<marcin_ant> tritium: this command is not present on live
<borchposselt> akk: yeah, that's about how far I got on my own :)
<tritium> marcin_ant, don't know what to say, then.
<farruinn> borchposselt: edit the *.desktop file or use one of the user developed apps out there
<topyli> nis: ok :)
<marcin_ant> tritium: ok but what is an idea of this?
<farruinn> borchposselt: a search on ubuntuforums.org should turn a few things up
<nis> justin`: A friend in Australia who deals with the public water supply said: "if fish can't live in the water, do not drink it."  so: raise fish and test your water with /them/. ;)
<akk> borchposselt: I wonder if /usr/share/desktop-directories is involved?  (I got that with: locate Applications)
<topyli> nis: all i'm saying, printing has been a service in unix for ever
<marcin_ant> topyli: because now I'm at home and I got "experimental" environment
<tritium> marcin_ant, what?
<marcin_ant> tritium: sorry it was to topyli
<borchposselt> akk, farruinn: thanks guys, I'll look into hose
<akk> borchposselt: Using locate and looking for names of specific menus is probably the way to start (sorry, I don't have the menus up right now).
<marcin_ant> topyli: and I'll go to my customer in about an hour
<nis> borchposselt: maybe.  Is that the Debian menu thing?
<_BIJ_> is there a possibility to extend the "archive manager" with the .RAR format... if i want to unzip the .rar it says that it doesn't know it...
<marcin_ant> topyli: and he has ubuntu on "server"
<_BIJ_> ???
<borchposselt> nis: I have no Debian menu
<tritium> _BIJ_, see the ubuntuguide
<marcin_ant> topyli: and two laptops with ubuntu as clients
<justin`> nis: problem with that, I HATE FISH. I've started drinking alkaline water bottled elsewhere
<topyli> marcin_ant: you just have to see how to enable cups for a little wider audience than localhost :)
<nis> topyli: a LOT changed with the advent of CUPS.  You can still use the lpr interface to CUPS from within Linux, tho.
<_BIJ_> on the  website?
<justin`> nis: and I have seen some pretty mucky water with 9 eye'd fish =8^)
<topyli> nis: sure
<farruinn> _BIJ_: as in www.ubuntuguide.org ;)
<marcin_ant> topyli: and how to check if this is enabled to lan?
<nis> borchposselt: is there an /etc/menu type entry?
<marcin_ant> topyli: ./enable-browsing ?
<topyli> nis: also depends on the printers. good ol' postscirpt stuff works well with lpr, cups drivers are more available for "modern" stuff
<WhiteRabbit> How stable is Ubuntu 5.04-preview?
<topyli> marcin_ant: i honestly have no idea!
<borchposselt> nis: nope
<WhiteRabbit> is it decent enuff to try out & run & half way enjoy?
<topyli> marcin_ant: doesn't cups have this famous web interface for configuring it?
<justin`> WhiteRabbit: of course, it's linux
<marcin_ant> topyli: this is hp 5740 - pretty cheap but works great
<ncp_> i'm looking for vhost on apt for apache2, but cant find anyting, what should i search for?
<WhiteRabbit> justin`, O ty kind sir Im saved now..
<nis> topyli: all I can say is I get a *lot* more functionality out of CUPS than I ever got out of the older lpr-based stuph.  Linux now feels comparable to other good-printing systems.
<marcin_ant> topyli: yes there is something like web interface
<WhiteRabbit> justin`, ;)~ so you tryed the 5.04-preview?
<marcin_ant> topyli: but on top of this screen there is an info
<topyli> nis: your demands obviously are higher than my home office's :)
<nis> topyli: port 603 localhost I think.
<marcin_ant> topyli: that admin tasks are disabled for security reasons
<tritium> WhiteRabbit, lots of us are using Hoary, updating it daily, so we're not really using the preview exactly
<justin`> WhiteRabbit: I've never even tried ubuntu. I'm a linux guru many breeds that is curious about the "rage" of ubuntu has been getting :)
<topyli> marcin_ant: arrrrr. it's ubuntu disabling stuff :(
<WhiteRabbit> justin`, "humanity to others"!
<WhiteRabbit> imho that has a nice ring to it.
<justin`> yes, give North Korea ubuntu
<P229> justin`, it's the free CDs
<nis> justin`: ubuntu is basically Debian unstable.
<topyli> marcin_ant: install lpr and use lprtool to set it up if you're in a hurry
<topyli> marcin_ant: not lprtool, what i mean is printtool
<justin`> nis: that's what I hear
<justin`> nis: if that is true, then why use it over debian unstable? :)
<nis> justin`: I had no problem pointing /etc/apt/sources.list to ubuntu, running (U)pdate in dselect, to migrate from Debian Woody to Ubuntu warty.
<marcin_ant> topyli: well the problem is that now I just would like this to "just work"
<justin`> nis: wow
<nis> justin`: the basic idea is that you get security updates like you would have from security.debian.org .. but for /unstable/ which Debian does not support in this way.
<topyli> marcin_ant: well, that's what we like all right
<marcin_ant> topyli: but it is possible that I'll go to my customer and take this server and printer
<justin`> nis: I see
<marcin_ant> topyli: and I'll have all night to configure this
<mulux> Heyya I'm running ubuntu amd64 and I'm having problems with bittornado. The downloaded data seems to be corrupted; ie it says "piece XXX failed hash check, re-downloading it" while downloading... Anyone heard of this problem before? Can't seem to find anything on it using google.
<topyli> marcin_ant: sounds better
<marcin_ant> topyli: no... it sounds like a "waste of time" :)
<P229> mulux: is the final download corrupted?
<dmouritsendk> mulux, i get that sometimes. its just a corrupted piece, it doesn't matter
<justin`> wow, a helicopter just flew directly over my house.. how loud
<topyli> marcin_ant: put debian on that server, on servers that's the one that "just works"
<mulux> every downloaded piece seems to be corrupted. not just one. I've never been able to download a complete torrent, it "DIES" before completion.
<marcin_ant> topyli: and I really don't want to do what Nat wants to here http://www.nat.org/camera/img_4584-800x533-border.jpg
<marcin_ant> topyli: well it's not Server - just "server"
<topyli> marcin_ant: nat knows when it's time to give up :)
<nis> justin`: the last time Debian had a serious upgrade problem was (iirc) from potato -> woody, one summer.  There were two competing perl versions that did not coexist, and some apps depended on one or the other and couldn't coexist with both.  Since then Debian's done a better job of lockstepping everything; so upgrades are generally painless with zero downtime.  Ubuntu follows this trend -- the upgrade caused no downtime and no real reason to reboot either.  I
<nis> n fact I kept the ...
<nis> justin`: firewall up from the Debian legacy .. the whole time.
<dmouritsendk> mulux, okay.. i never tried that..! :D had a lot of pieces that haven't passed the hashcheck but they always just get redownloaded
<marcin_ant> topyli: ok I'll try do to something but another question
<vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
<marcin_ant> topyli: maybe my problem is that there is something wrong with cups on server
<topyli> marcin_ant: i seriously have no idea how to configure cups without the web interface
<mulux> dmouritsendk: okay :/ thanks anyway
<marcin_ant> topyli: but maybe I do something wrong on client
<vaijr2002> whats the diff between warty, hoary hedgehog?
<marcin_ant> topyli: than question
<nis> justin`: only real complaint is ubuntu 'desktop' target (dummy package) selects way too much crap such as openoffice.org.
* jintxo wonders if a standard ketrnel from kernel.org supports cramfs (downloading now)
<marcin_ant> topyli: in gnome printer configuration dialog
<topyli> marcin_ant: if the cups server works, the client will see it. if it won't it's the server's fault. that simple with print servers
<vaijr2002> mine says hoary hedgehog development branch
<marcin_ant> topyli: I need to add URI
<topyli> oik
<marcin_ant> topyli: maybe my uri is wrong?
<marcin_ant> topyli: what is an uri that is known to work :) ?
<topyli> marcin_ant: yeah. which port does cups listen to?
<marcin_ant> topyli: propably 631
<marcin_ant> topyli: but how to check this?
<vaijr2002> hi veryone
<topyli> so, server-ip:port
<justin`> nis: hmmm, don't want no bloatware :)
<topyli> marcin_ant: telnet from localhost
<vaijr2002> can someone explain the differances between hoary hedgehog, and warty
<vaijr2002> mine is hoary hedgehot development branch whats that mean?
<nis> marcin_ant: cups should definitely answer on localhost:630 or whatever it is.
<mulux> is there any other text-based bittorrent client for ubuntu except for bittornado?
<vaijr2002> isnt guntella a bit torrent thingie
<^thehatsrule^> no
<^thehatsrule^> different network
<vaijr2002> ig ij
<^thehatsrule^> = oh ok? :P
<vaijr2002> i use direct connect, and overnet/edonkey
<nis> http://localhost:631/ works here
<rwabel> hi
<topyli> vaijr2002: no
<rwabel> can someone help me with that problem on hoary:
<rwabel> Usage: install-keymap [ keymap_file | NONE | KERNEL ] 
<rwabel> dpkg: error processing console-data (--configure):
<rwabel>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
<rwabel> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of console-common:
<rwabel>  console-common depends on console-data; however:
<rwabel>   Package console-data is not configured yet.
<rwabel> dpkg: error processing console-common (--configure):
<rwabel>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
<dmouritsendk> mulux, isn't the "official" bt client availiable in ubuntu?
<rwabel> Errors were encountered while processing:
<rwabel>  console-data
<rwabel>  console-common
<nis> mine's a default (idiot) install  --  have touched /nothing/.
<rwabel> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
<justin`> thanks for the flood
<topyli> wow! what a typist!
<mulux> dmouritsendk: perhaps. but is it text-based? :>
<vaijr2002> sorry rwable cant help ya there
<marcin_ant> nis: so not 630
<dmouritsendk> mulux, one of the clients included are
<marcin_ant> nis: 631 right?
<vaijr2002> i just need my sound to work and i will be happy
<vaijr2002> but cant tried everything
<dmouritsendk> mulux, wait.. two of them are :p
<marcin_ant> nis: telnet localhost 630 - connection refused
<marcin_ant> nis: telnet localhost 631 - ok
<mulux> dmouritsendk: haha, okay
<marcin_ant> topyli: yes I got cups on 631
<nis> rwabel: 'sudo dpkg --pending --configure'
<marcin_ant> topyli: so then... ipp://192.168.0.1:631/printers/BJC-6000 should work?
<topyli> marcin_ant: cups work on tcp, so you can just put the IP and port on the client
<dmouritsendk> is there anywhere i can browse the package lists from the offical repositories?
<^thehatsrule^> ftp
<topyli> marcin_ant: or is it ipp?
<nis> marcin_ant 631.
<^thehatsrule^> or synaptic
<^thehatsrule^> or http
<mulux> dmouritsendk: okay, I just installed the apt-packet "bittorrent", how do I start it, lol?
<marcin_ant> topyli: I really don't know :)
<topyli> heh
<topyli> marcin_ant: try telnet
<topyli> first
<marcin_ant> topyli: just when I got mouse over URI box
<dmouritsendk> mulux, from a prompt btdownloadheadless.py or btdownloadcurses.py
<marcin_ant> topyli: then I got "hint"
<nis> marcin_ant: NO.  631 is the webadmin interface to CUPS, only.  No printer listening on that port!
<mulux> dmouritsendk: oh, thanks!
<topyli> uhhh...
<marcin_ant> nis: then... what?
<nis> dmouritsendk: you can download Packages.gz (.bz2) and browse those directly.
<lok> mulux, you already have a bittorent client with gnome
<dmouritsendk> mulux, np :) does it work now?
<marcin_ant> topyli: I can telnet to 631 on localhost but not from laptop
<lok> gnome-btdownload mulux
<dmouritsendk> nis: ooh, nice. thanks alot :)
<nis> marcin_ant: use mozilla to look at port 631 in http.
<marcin_ant> nis: there is cups admin web interface on this port
<nis> dmouritsendk: dpkg is the older tool; always worked here under Debian and I see nothing in it disabled in Ubuntu.
<topyli> marcin_ant: aren't you happy to have professional support such as myself? ;)
<mulux> lok: I wanted a text-based client...
<Zane> i cant get my sound to work in kubuntu.. i have sound blaster 64 awe audio card.. anyone knows if i am supposed to download drivers or if this card is even supported
<topyli> marcin_ant: cups is only listening to localhost
<lok> ah ok sorry I haven't look to the beggining
<farruinn> isn't there a wiki page about setting up network printing?
<dmouritsendk> nis, i haven't got ubuntu installed, so i can't really use those atm :/
<rwabel> nis: thanks...strange thing, sudo apt-get upgrade only doesn't work in X. I did it not under X and it worked
<nis> dmouritsendk: 'sudo dselect' does same thing in the base menu before the package list.
* topyli goes outside for a smoke
<nis> marcin_ant: yes. the CUPS web admin is on that port!
<mulux> dmouritsendk: I think it's working now, I'll let you know in a second
<marcin_ant> topyli: ok - then I need to make this available on lan - not only on localhost - right?
<dmouritsendk> mulux, nice :)
<farruinn> nis: dpkg is still the system used, apt, dselect, synaptic, aptitude, etc, they're all just front ends to the dpkg system
<marcin_ant> topyli: then a question is how
<marcin_ant> nis: ok - then what next?
<ShurikN> yeah
<nis> rwabel: I've only occasionally shell-scripted for apt-get; I generally use dpkg or dselect, but apt-get is more efficient.  However, dselect with /etc/apt/apt.conf set to 'Download-Only = "true"' (or similar) is the equivalent of using apt-get from the command-line, IMO.
<Fackamato> anyone tried kbear?
<Fackamato> ftp client
<mulux> dmouritsendk: lol, how can I shut down this client? I'm using btlaunchmanycurses, ctrl-c wont shut it down
<nis> farruinn: I suspected as much. tnx.
<naikuty> hello, please help me configure Xorg on AMD64/via-chipset/K8M800
<topyli> marcin_ant: yeah, might be a tcp_wrappers setup on ubuntu so nothing listens to nobody by default
<dmouritsendk> mulux, i cntl-z it
<nis> marcin_ant: hold on I'll look. I have to mount a gentoo volume to see how I did it.
* nis took notes. ;)
<marcin_ant> nis: ok - thanks I'll wait
<mulux> dmouritsendk: didn't work either
<mulux> I killed it :P
<topyli> orfff... lots of updates but not the time to do anything while clients are up
<dmouritsendk> mulux, did u need to use kill or ?
<mulux> yup :/
<mulux> still doesn't work
<dmouritsendk> mulux, thats pretty wierd, i can kill mine with ctrl-z..
<mulux> maybe there's something wrong with my python?
<naikuty> can somebody help me configure Xorg on AMD64/via-chipset/K8M800?
<topyli> naikuty: doesn't "just work"?
<dmouritsendk> mulux, i don't know, it sounds mighty wierd. Are u 100% sure the torrent you are downloading is working?
<farruinn> naikuty: what is the problem specifically?
<topyli> naikuty: you don't say much about your video card
<nis> marcin_ant: this'll take a few minutes. I've chrooted into gentoo (first step). ;)
<Coily> ive already asked #winehq: i have a problem with a program in wine which can be fixed with the latest directx... am i screwed?
<naikuty> farruinn,topyli, it is a K8M800 via video card
<mulux> dmouritsendk: it happens to every torrent I tried (3 different, where at least one of them was working on my main computer)
<dmouritsendk> mulux, okay. just checking :)
<marcin_ant> nis: ok ok I got time
<naikuty> farruinn,topyli: It earlier worked with Xfree86 on Woody/32but
<topyli> naikuty: and what happens, or, doesn't happen?
<Echylo> with what can you record sound from a micro the best?
<naikuty> topyli: Now the screen just blinks 3 times and after that the console is screwed up
<naikuty> topyli: I have to restart after that
<topyli> naikuty: not very promising
<selinium_> hi all, how do i do a screen shot?
<farruinn> naikuty: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' from the terminal first
<nis> marcin_ant: okay first up: my user cannot do 'Administration'.  Do u see the 'Administration' button in CUPS main menu in your web browser?
<naikuty> topyli: yeh I tried, but the same result
<farruinn> selinium_: for hoary just look under the System menu
<naikuty> farruinn: yeh I tried, but the same result
<schasi> Was there any other xserver than xfree86 and xorg?
<selinium_> farruinn: cheers!
<farruinn> naikuty: my guess is that your vert/horiz sync are out of range
<topyli> schasi: there are about half a dozen commercial X implementations
<nis> selinium_: I use the GIMP to do screenshots.
<selinium_> nis how do you do that?
<farruinn> selinium_: the one thing I don't like about gnome's screenshot thing is it doesn't allow you to do single windows, I use gimp for that
<naikuty> farruinn: I just copied the range that worked in Woody/32 bit
<nis> selinium_: It's in the first menu on the left, probably 'File' .. in the most basic dialog for GIMP.
<farruinn> naikuty: you'll probably have to post the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin for us or send it to the mailing list
<nis> farruinn: yes, it does.  Unless I'm seriously misremembering.
<tritium> farruinn, you can take shotw of a single window with Alt-Print Screen
<tritium> shots :)
<selinium_> nis farruinn: cheers for your help!
<nis> farruinn: my bad.
<Keito> Hi
<nis> farruinn: I didn't read what you /typed/. ;)
<farruinn> nis: np :)
<marcin_ant> nis: I can log on http://localhost:631/admin
<farruinn> tritium: nice, didn't know about that one, I'm used to the mac keystrokes...
<GammaRay> stop talking for a minute so unison can backup the log file for this channel :-P
<tritium> farruinn, :)
<marcin_ant> nis: but I got big info on top: Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
<nis> selinium_: you can 'paste as new' after a 'cut' to get the exact rectangle crop you wanted.
<nis> marcin_ant: yes that's where I'm stuck.  iirc I just need to add myself to the right group in /etc/groups
<topyli> marcin_ant: yeah, and you can't really set up a server from there :(
<nis> marcin_ant: and/or modify /etc/cups/foo
<naikuty> farruinn: "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6796.html" - This is what exactly i experience
<marcin_ant> topyli: so... the only "easy" way is gnome-cups-manager
<oggah> how do I change my wwwroot apache folder? (Ubuntu) Can't delete the existing standard .html files.
<marcin_ant> topyli: but there is no way to configure anything related with server
<oggah> from standard install.
<topyli> marcin_ant: yeah, but that's client stuff
<marcin_ant> topyli: so... I need to configure everyting by hand with /etc/cups/*
<dashnu> oggah, DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs
<topyli> marcin_ant: sure you can configure cups, but you need to 1) configure cups, 2) perhaps configure tcp_wrappers, 3) perhaps something else, all from the config files
<nis> marcin_ant: it /looks/ like I had to add myself to group 'lp' under gentoo to admin CUPS.
<dashnu> in /etc/apache/conf maybe
<topyli> marcin_ant: i still say install debian on that server :)
<naikuty> farruinn: "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6796.html" - This is what exactly i experience
<marcin_ant> topyli: I did a lot of work to configure this server... gprs stuff etc.
<nis> marcin_ant: no, do not modify /etc/cups/foo* at all by hand. USE the web admin tool.
<topyli> marcin_ant, nis, we need access to that web tool first though
<klaym> with what program can I attach photos to create an animation? (avi, mpg...)
<nis> topyli: yes but it's doable.  group 'lp' does not exist in Ubuntu; whereas in gentoo it does and I beleive was the required group membership to admin as an otherwise-unprivileged user.
<akk> klaym: "animate", part of imagemagick, can do that, I think (it can definitely make animated gifs)
<klaym> akk: I checked imagemagick, all it can do is animated gifs
<topyli> nis: group lp owns /dev/lp0 on this here ubuntu box
<mulux> dmouritsendk: hmm, it seems btdownloadcurses is working but not btlaunchmanycurses. Isn't that weird?
<klaym> but I found something called gAnim8
<akk> klaym: There's a gimp plugin called gap (gimp animation package) but I hear it's tricky to set up.
<nis> topyli: aha!  '#Group lpadmin' commented-out in cupsd.conf!
<klaym> akk: ok thanks. I'll check gAnim8 out first
<marcin_ant> nis: so I need to add myself to lpadmin?
<topyli> nis: yes! so marcin_ant, uncomment that and change it to lp
<marcin_ant> nis: hmmmmmm I'm already member of this group :(
<topyli> marcin_ant: and put yourself to group lp
<marcin_ant> topyli: ooooo
<dmouritsendk> mulux, it sure is :/
<oggah> in my apache2-default folder, located in /var/www/. there is alot of index files in different languages. and some gif files, how do I remove them?
<oggah> So I can put my own in there :)
<dashnu> sudo rm -f *
<marcin_ant> topyli: ok - group uncommented
<marcin_ant> topyli: I'm already member of this group
<dashnu> cd to that dir of course!!
<topyli> marcin_ant: or perhaps you should leave it to lpadmin since you already are in the group
<tritium> oggah, dpgk -S <filename> to find out to which packge the files you want removed belong, and then apt-get remove that package
<topyli> marcin_ant: then restart cupsd
<nis> marcin_ant: #SystemGroup lpadmin commented-out!  uncomment that, I think.
<tritium> oggah, unless you want to just break the package, and remove files by hand
<dashnu> they are index file it wont break anything
<dashnu> files* even
<oggah> using natilus, I just cant get them removed. strange.
<tritium> dashnu, not functionally, no
<tritium> but the package that owns those files will be broken
<nis> marcin_ant: didn't work here. ;)
<marcin_ant> nis: ok - uncommented, cups restarted
<marcin_ant> nis: what next?
<farruinn> naikuty: I just read your thread, the "VESA(0): No matching modes" would be a problem with the vesa driver which is causing the other error I'm guessing
<nis> marcin_ant: still trying here.  I did this once before, tho. ;)
<oggah> thanx,the rm -f * did it! thanx dashnu.
<Tilos> Is there a simple way to convert PST files from Outlook 2003 to something that Evolution can use?
<sabmoc> Im planning to switch from kernel-image-386 to kernel-image-k7 but I use the nvidia drivers, will I need to reinstall them, or only reconfigure them... and should I do the reconfiguring after or before booting?
<tritium> Tilos, there's something called outport that you can try
<marcin_ant> nis: I need to go to my customer
<tritium> sabmoc, you'll need the linux-restricted-modules that match the k7 kernel you install
<marcin_ant> nis: I'll take his server and printer and will be back in less than hour (30-40 min I hope)
<farruinn> naikuty: this isn't very helpful, but my suggestion would be to try today'd daily install cd, if it doesn't work submit a bug report
<sabmoc> tritium, yes I was going to install them, but I wasnt sure if they were actually needed
<tritium> sabmoc, they are for nvidia, yes
<arek> hmm i got problems with udev after upgrade to hoary install dies on Populating the new /dev filesystem temporarily mounted on /tmp/dir.F6sRlW/...
<sabmoc> tritium, will I still need to run `sudo nvidia-glx-confg enable`?
<mjr> tilos, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2002-April/msg00043.html
<tritium> sabmoc, no, you're all set
<Tilos> tritium: Thank you.
<sabmoc> tritium, awesome, but previously I installed nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings, will those interfere in anyway?
<tritium> Tilos, sure :)
<Tilos> mjr: Theonly problem with that solution is that I don't have a Windows left to do so on. :P
<topyli> marcin_ant: install lpd, it has worked for ever :)
<nis> marcin_ant: rgr. best regards.
<tritium> sabmoc, nope
* nis takes a look at the logs to see wtfigo.
<sabmoc> tritium, thanks man
<tritium> no prob
<Tilos> Where's a good page to find additional software? debian.org?
<mjr> Tilos, righto; well, see http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2002-May/018577.html
<tritium> Tilos, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<Fl-i-nT> Hi all
<topyli> Tilos: we have everything. what additional software are you referring to?
<warty> i installed ubuntu what should i add in sources.list to use apt-get
<wezzer> warty: open up synaptic
<ShurikN> hi all, where i put dl a openBSD in french version?
<^thehatsrule^> lol ShurikN....
<nis> topyli: /var/log/cups/error_log says PAM doesn't like my user.
<wezzer> there you can easily choose which repositories you'd like to use
<wezzer> enable universe at least
<Fl-i-nT> Can anyone tell me what the site to the howtos of ubuntu is?
<tritium> Tilos, an easier way is to browse packages in synaptic or aptitude
<goldfish> www.ubuntulinux.org
<goldfish> has some
<wezzer> www.ubuntuguide.org
<goldfish> also ubuntuguide.org
<goldfish> and ubuntuforums.org
<topyli> nis: hmm. same here, i've been experimenting on the way as well :)
<Tilos> tritium: I'll try it out.
<Fl-i-nT> Thanks guys
<CarlK_> dont forget https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
<dashnu> anyone use SSL/tls  smtp with evolution ?
<tritium> Tilos, and if you want a ton of software to choose from, be sure to include universe and multiverse in your /etc/apt/sources.list
<tritium> dashnu, yes
<dashnu> my ssl is broke do you know if it is a bug?
<topyli> Tilos: we have pretty much the same selection as debian
<tritium> dashnu, it's working here
<CarlK_> what package has just svn (the subversion client) and not the server?
<dashnu> it onyl works if i select whenever possible
<dashnu> than i see the ssl handshake
<dashnu> (serverside that is)
<nis> topyli: okay, Loglevel must be set very high to debug this.  I remember doing so.
<dashnu> with always i do not even make it to the server
<Tilos> topyli: Ah, I see. I thought you shared packages with Debian so I thought debian.org was a good place to start.
<marcin_ant> topyli: last question
<marcin_ant> topyli: before I go
<marcin_ant> topyli: when cupsys is configured properly
<tritium> Tilos, most of the packages do come from debian originally
<marcin_ant> topyli: printers should appear in gnome-cups-manager automatically - right?
<farruinn> CarlK_: the subversion package includes the client as well as tools for creating a repository
<drspin> hey all
<CarlK_> farruinn - right, but what if I dont want to create a repo, just pull sources from somewhere else>?
<topyli> marcin_ant: it should find them on the network, yes
<dashnu> tritium, and you have it set to always use ssl?
<dashnu> i have same issue in gentoo same version of evolution
<farruinn> CarlK_: I haven't used svn myself, but I believe you just use the svn command
<dashnu> never had this issue until upgrade
<tritium> dashnu, no, either setting works for me
<CarlK_> farruinn - it isn't installed by default
<topyli> Tilos: ubuntu is a frozen snapshot of debian unstable basically. only a subset of the packages are supported, but everything is available
<nis> topyli: I see the problem I think.
<dashnu> *sighs*
* Tilos nods at topyli.
* bung__ m00s
* drspin screams
<topyli> Tilos: and btw, i don't mean "we have this" as in "i made this with my friends", i just mean we the users have it :)
<tritium> plus some new packages that are not in debian at all
<Tilos> :)
<bung__> a few from debian don't seem to be in ubuntu
<bung__> e.g. fudgit
<bung__> oh
<bung__> it is!
<bung__> nevermind then.
* topyli digs nis's brain for a solution
<bung__> could swear it wasn't there before
<sabmoc> tritium, wow, that sure was painless
<tritium> Tilos, in addition to that URL and synaptic or aptitude, apt-cache searching is another way to look for packages
<tritium> sabmoc, cool :)
<farruinn> CarlK_: you've installed subversion? You should have /usr/bin/svn
<drspin> I know it's not supported - but technically if I upgrade to GNOME from Hoary on my Warty system things should be just fine right?
<CarlK_> farruinn -I don't want the whole subversion server... just the client
<mjr> drspin, if you want to go that way, I'd rather recommend going all the way
<mjr> drspin, but theoretically, yeah, though upgrading just gnome may lead to much of the rest of hoary to be dragged in anyway
<tritium> CarlK_, it's not separated out.  Just don't setup a local repository
<mjr> due to dependencies
<topyli> nis: are you happily administering cups now? :)
<wavefunction> g'afternoon.
<sabmoc> tritium, weird! I ran glxgears before and after restart, to compare if there would be any difference with 386 or k7, the 386 looked much much faster, the cogs just cranking like crazy, but k7 looks slow and smooth, but the fps is exactly the same for both of them!
<drspin> mjr: I have upgraded a few specific things Gaim, FF, pmount and few others to Hoary just for the bug fixes
<CarlK_> tritium - yup - #svn just confirmed it is all in one package
<oggah> is hoary worth waiting for? :)
<Fl-i-nT> Yesterday someone here gave me a link for a great begginers tutorials fro ubuntu but i cant find it could you guys help?
<CarlK_> oggah - no, it is worth installig now ;)
<farruinn> drspin: through warty-packports?
<farruinn> Fl-i-nT: probably www.ubuntuguide.org
<topyli> oggah: if you want it to stabilize, you should wait. but it works right now
<wavefunction> Kind of offtopic : how do I redirect irc commands ? Eg, if I would like to save '/list -YES' in a file.
<wavefunction> I'm using irssi.
<oggah> aight!
<drspin> farruinn: no -- by using the Warty repo and upgrading just the packages and the dependencies
<dtudosie> hi
<topyli> oggah: i said it works right now. dunno after the next set of updates :)
<drspin> farruinn: know that you cannot get help from ubuntu if your system is mixed
<Fl-i-nT> farruinn, nah it was more tutorialish and at the end of each chapter you have a excersise
<oggah> okey, i think ill wait. warty works fine for me.
<farruinn> Fl-i-nT: specific to ubunu?
<oggah> fast-command to change workspace in Ubuntu?
<farruinn> drspin: I guess I don't know where you upgraded from... if it was just through apt/synaptic then that is most certainly supported
<slept> Fl-i-nT: maybe selflinux , you can apt-get
<topyli> oggah: have you ever used debian unstable?
<drspin> oggah: you can set this up in Computer -> Desktop Prefs -> Keyboard Shortcuts
<oggah> nopes
<tritium> Ctrl-Alt-Arrow Keys
<topyli> oggah: pretty much the same these days
<oggah> drspin, tritium , thanx.
<dtudosie> anybody noticed a delay of 3 to 6 seconds in opening the windows in hoary ? (this happens after about 20 minutes after starting ubuntu)
<drspin> farruinn: I added the Hoary repository and I upgraded just specific packages from it and then disabled it in Synaptic...
<drspin> farruinn: Again... a mixed Hoary and Warty system is not supported because it *could* cause all kinds of problems...
<topyli> well, only a pure warty system is supported of course
<bluefoxicy> gaim 1.2 won't reach hoary?
<farruinn> drspin: I see, sorry for the confusion :)
<drspin> bluefoxicy: right now it's 1.1.2
<tritium> 1.1.4
<drspin> bluefoxicy: 1.1.4 rather ;) sorry
<drspin> tritium: thanks ;)
<topyli> bluefoxicy: it will reach my box for sure :)
<tritium> ;)
<Fl-i-nT> farruinn, abit like this but more begginer friendly http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/ch02s03.html
<slept> drspin : the "mixed system" works fine , if you accept the new versions of configuration files
<bung__> what's new in 1.2?
<drspin> slept: I haven't had any stability issues so far
<ob1kenobi> I have a grub question
<drspin> ob1kenobi: ok
<Echylo> wow that shadow tutorial on ubuntuforums is ownage
<ob1kenobi> in my menu.lst I have set vga=791
<ob1kenobi> each time linux-image is updated, I lost that setting!
<slept> drspin: yes, that was no question :-)
<ob1kenobi> how can I do to keep it steady?
<drspin> ob1kenobi: place the settings on the line that says #kopt=
<drspin> ob1kenobi: update-grub
<ob1kenobi> update-grub?
<drspin> ob1kenobi: do me a favor #cat /boot/grub/menu.lst and paste it into #flood
<topyli> bung__: yahoo support is supposedly better. otherwise i don't know
<dtudosie> anybody noticed a delay of 3 to 6 seconds in opening the windows in hoary ? (this happens after about 20 minutes after starting ubuntu) could it be caused by a package that I have installed ?
<ob1kenobi> ok, i'll do
<nis> ah.
<Echylo> say cheese everyone!
<dtudosie> furthermore, is there a way to do a cleanup (somehow automatic) among the installed packages ?
<nis> topyli: still hacking this.  There is an encrypted string reported in the logs; it is consistent each time.
<drspin> dtudosie: if you find a way to "cleanup" installed packages... please let me know...
<topyli> nis: ubuntu has disabled it pretty well, it seems :)
<nis> topyli: my bet is this is a random password and is specified somewhere and needs to be overwritten with the output of crypt(5) for a chosen password.
<drspin> ob1kenobi: #sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
<topyli> nis: i absolutely don't have a slightest idea what all that means :)
<slept> drspin dtudosie : apt-get clean , or did you mean clean in an other way ?
<Fl-i-nT>  File Menu -> Create Launcher
<Fl-i-nT> Basic Tab ->
<Fl-i-nT> Name: Nvu
<Fl-i-nT> Command: /opt/nvu-0.80/nvu
<Fl-i-nT> Icon: /opt/nvu-0.80/icons/mozicon50.xpm
<ob1kenobi> yes, and then..
<drspin> slept - I was meaning remove packages that have sat unused for a certain period of time
<queuetue> I'm sshed into a host - and I had to ssh through another host to get there.  Is there a way to send a file from my machine to the one that is two hops away, through this connection I've already created?
<Fl-i-nT> Sorry about that
<nis> topyli: /etc/pam.d/cupsys is suspicious here.
<Fl-i-nT> btu what is that telling me to do i serously dont understnad?
<drspin> scroll down till you see a line that says # kopt=root=/dev/hdb6 ro
<fubared> I got ubuntu setup and configured on my laptop, but when I rebooted it's freezing on startup with no errors
<ob1kenobi> yes, gotcha
<drspin> ob1kenobi: scroll down till you see a line that says # kopt=root=/dev/hdb6 ro
<fubared> same thing happened on my desktop
<ob1kenobi> drspin, I got it
<djgentoo> fubared have you some messages?
<drspin> ob1kenobi: this is the default options for ALL kernel images that Grub will boot -- Grub will automatically append these options to all kernels when you run update-grub
<ob1kenobi> drspin, so I should write vga=791 at the end of this line?
<fubared> djgentoo: nope... it just freezes on startup, not in the process of starting a specific thing
<LeeJunFan> I notice gkrellm isn't in the pool, is there something better included? (forgive my old-schoolness :) )
<djgentoo> fubared do you see grub?
<topyli> nis: in /etc/pam.d/cupsys i have exactly three lines: common auth, common-account, common-seession :-/
<drspin> ob1kenobi: #kopt=root=/dev/hdb6 ro quiet splash vga=791
<fubared> djgentoo: yes, things like inetd work
<fubared> startup, even.
<klaym> how do I get permission to write to usr/bin ? I've done everything with console using sudo, but I'd now like to do it using drag and drop via gnome
<oggah> where can I find nice Ubuntu wallpapers?
<drspin> ob1kenobi: also right below that you'll see # alternative=tr
<ob1kenobi> drspin, thank you very much..!
<klaym> oggah: www.gnome-look.org
<drspin> ob1kenobi: you're going to want to change that to # alternative=true
<ob1kenobi> ok, it is set to true
<dtudosie> slept: by cleanup I meant a way to have a "fresh install" i.e. how the system came initially so I can lose any bad choice packages that may become difficult to track and remove bu hand...
<djgentoo> fubared try to boot on the deefault mode
<drspin> ob1kenobi: go ahead and save and close gedit then type update-grub
<mastergoon> anyone here had problems with hoary where X just crashes all the time
<ob1kenobi> drspin, did it.
<drspin> mastergoon: have you cheked dmesg|tail after it crashes
<fubared> djgentoo: what's default mode? I think that's what I'm using.. ie, not failsafe
<mastergoon> drspin, nothing, ill check the xorg log
<drspin> ob1kenobi: now #cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
<djgentoo> fubared try the failsafe one
<drspin> ob1kenobi: and you should see the options after each kernel image
<fubared> ok, but how do I know what to do to fix a normal boot?
<mastergoon> drspin, nothing in the log that says why it crashes, just says it caught a signal 11
<ob1kenobi> drspin, fantastic!
<drspin> mastergoon: what is Signal 11?
<djgentoo> fubared try to check dmesg
<mastergoon> no idea
<mastergoon> Fatal server error:
<mastergoon> Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
<ob1kenobi> drspin, thanks a lot.
<drspin> mastergoon: LOL - me neither
<drspin> ob1kenobi: no problem
<mastergoon> segfault of some kind im guessing
<topyli> drspin: while you're at it, you might as well tell us if the hoary kernel is bootsplash ready :)
<drspin> topyli: I have no clue
<topyli> drspin: at boot, i get the message something like: looking for splash image... none found
<drspin> (13:27:15) drspin: is the default hoary kernel bootsplash ready?
<topyli> drspin: so i'm thinking if it would find one it would perhaps use one :)
<drspin> (13:27:21) Kamion: drspin: no.
<topyli> ah
<nis> topyli: the doco says to 'sudo adduser cupsys shadow' and I bet this is the problem.  danger will robinson tho.
<topyli> nis: shadow? hmmm
<cusco> anyone that can help me with networking? I installed a wireless device (wpc54g) with ndiswrapper mod... I did it before and it was ok... but now my internet keeps on running from me
<drspin> topyli: it's a possibility -- not sure where it would look though
<nis> topyli: BUD A BING.
<cusco> I keep on loosing internet :(
* nis shoots .. he scores!
<kevman> Hey, I was here Sunday, and couldn't get my compuer to go on the Network.
<nis> topyli: that's all it takes.
<kevman> That was with the new Preview build, right now I'm using the 4.1 Live and it works!
<topyli> nis: heh, you fixed ubuntu :)
<slept> nis: what are you trying to do with cups ?
<kevman> Is there any way I can transfer the settings used right now to my Preview install?
<nis> topyli: AND .. it was in /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian.gz
<nis> slept: admin as a low user on localhost:631
<zooko>  #300842 - libc6: upgrade fails in i386 chroot on amd64 system
<topyli> nis: well i be damned =)
<zooko> Does this mean if I update to this version my system will break?  Hm.
<drspin> KevMan: sound like the install didn't detect your nic right - do me a favor paste the results of #lsmod in #flood
* zooko tries to use warty instead...
<topyli> nis: anyway, it works!
<kevman> drspin, for which? The one that works, or doesn't?
<nis> topyli: yes, and I know how to do the rest.
<slept> nis : works out of the box
* topyli promotes nis to sargeant
<drspin> kevman: that one that works first so I can see where the differences are
<nis> slept: fine.  Only I didn't get a 'box'.
<drspin> kevman: I want to see what driver is loaded so that we can load it after ytou boot into the one where it doesn't work
<kevman> Uh, OK, but how will I post the results for the one that doesn't work?
<topyli> drspin: the splash screens could be anywhere afaik. you just tell grub where to get one. might be best to put it in /boot though
<ayalp> whats up
<drspin> kevman: you won't need to -- I'll try and just tell you how to do it before you restart
<nis> topyli: now to undo all my changes to cupsys.conf ;)
<zooko> Hm.  .. which means I'll be building a 2.6.8.1 kernel.  Okay.
<ayalp> whats going on negger
<zooko> whoops
<zooko> E: Build-dependencies for linux-source-2.6.8.1 could not be satisfied.
<kevman> drspin, eoth0 was reconized in the one that doesn't work, but DHCP always failed
<drspin> topyli: oh you want a GRUB bootsplash ---- man menu.lst (I think)
<topyli> nis: oh yes, cleaning up. not a backupping type of guy?
<zooko> So now I can't build a new kernel on this system.  Hm.
<zooko> I guess I just wait without a new kernel until the libc breakage is fixed in hoary.
<topyli> drspin: yes, just grub :)
<drspin> kevman: right -- paste the results of #lsmod in #flood please
<zooko> I wish I could get access to the .deb of the libc that was in hoary *before* the broken one...
<drspin> topyli: google for "ubuntu grub bootsplash"
<drspin> kevman: it's coming -- slowly ;)
<nis> topyli: usually very much so, but in this case I got excited.  IRCing in one window while hacking in another is a *lot* of load on my brain.
<kevman> Now that's a flood!
<topyli> drspin: awwww... it's right there for those who google :)
<kevman> I did.
<kevman> drspin, my Internet connection is major crap.
<nis> topyli: I can always 'ar x debianpackage.deb' for cupsys and get the file. ;)
<cusco> when does the final version of hoary comes out?
<drspin> topyll: :) love google - live google -- breathe google -- and you'll be a lot smarter to anyone that doesn't know you ;)
<nis> topyli: then 'dpkg-reconfigure cupsys' ;)
<lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hard drive
<topyli> nis: well if your original wasn't very much customized it's easy to revert
<lytefyre> ?
<mastergoon> is anyone else having trouble updating from us.archive.ubuntu.com?
<nis> topyli: I generally comment the changes inside the file so it's no big deal.
<topyli> yeah
<Fackamato> I just did an update ; dist-upgrade
<hitriko> hey guys, when i try to change my password it says "password was to simple"
<hitriko> is there anyway to fix this?
<Fackamato> saw that it had an _upgrade_ for the 2.6.10-5 kernel
<Fackamato> how can i find out what the upgrade was?
<kevman> Woo! Ubuntu found myu TV card
<hitriko> hello?
<hitriko> help please?
<topyli> hitriko: how about a more complicated password? :)
<hitriko> well i don't need it...
<topyli> aww
<lytefyre> anyone external hard drive boot sucess ??
<zooko> hitriko: is this your home computer?  Are you going to be storing life-or-death secrets on it?  Then write the password on a postit note and stick it to the monitor.
<hitriko> topyli: there is not way i can fix this other then change my password?
<lytefyre> im trying to run kubuntu off it
<topyli> hitriko: sure
<drspin> kevman: do you what kind of NIC you have?
<topyli> hitriko: i've never done it but it's configurable
<kevman> drspin, Integrated Davicom.
<hitriko> zooko: no, i don't wany my mom and dad on it -_-;
<drspin> kevman: do you know the model?
<kevman> Do you need the model number of the chip?
<kevman> OK, I'll look it up on the Internet
<nis> topyli: diff is your friend. ;)
<topyli> hitriko: easiest is to configure gdm to log you in automatically without any interaction
<hitriko> topyli: any hottos for this?
<lytefyre> i have a pivot_root error on kubuntu install
<drspin> kevman: /msg me -- I'll brb
<hitriko> hottos*
<hitriko> i'm using kubuntu
<rizla> hi folks..
<topyli> hitriko: so you don't need to login yourself, you'll just come up with a desktop like in windows 95 or something
<topyli> hitriko: NOT recommended
<hitriko> topyli: how to do i that?
<zooko> hitriko: that would allow you mom and dad to access your files.
<topyli> hitriko: run gdmconfig and tick a couple of buttons that's all
<hitriko> zooko: true
<zooko> anybody know how to find out *which* build-deps couldn't be satisfied?  :
<Redwraith111> hey guys.. how can I make it so i dont use GDM to log in but rather the command line
<zooko> E: Build-dependencies for linux-source-2.6.8.1 could not be satisfied.
<lytefyre> Redwraith111:use init level 3
<kevman> What's the name of the GNOME fileviewer? I'm a KDE kinda guy...
<farruinn> zooko: are you trying to do 'sudo apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1'?
<tigger|nl> kevman: nautilus
<hitriko> i think i wanna move back to fedora -_-;
<zooko> farruinn: I'm following this doc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto
<zooko> and I'm doing: sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.8.1
<Redwraith111> do i have to add that to grub?
<slept> Redwraith111: apt-get remove gdm
<mdz> zooko: sounds like you don't have the network repositories enabled
<mdz> zooko: not all of the packages you need to build it are available on the CD
<zooko> hitriko: because Ubuntu won't let you use your password?  Interesting.  It might be configurable.
<zooko> mdz: no, I'm using warty network repos.
<zooko> I think I've found the issue though.  Thanks.
<hitriko> zooko: more then that
<mdz> zooko: what was it?
<zooko> Well, I installed a libc6 from hoary.
<zooko> Now, I can't upgrade to the latest libc6 from hoary, as it will allegedly break my whole system.
<topyli> hitriko: but if you have weak passwords we can crack your box in 10 minutes from home and make it a spam relay or something
<zooko> But nor can I install the build-deps from warty.
<lytefyre> Redwrait111: or edit /etc/inittab and change id:5...  to id:3
<zooko> So I guess I'm stuck til they fix the libc6 in hoary.
<zooko> Someday our package management systems will provide a way out of messes like this.
<Fl-i-nT> Geez my firefox just terminated !?!?! fro no reason jsut liek that help!!!
<black_Nightmare> hey there
<lytefyre> anyone sucessfull with booting ubunutu off an external hdd ??
<nis> topyli: *you* were my backup; since you didn't make the changes I did, when you got into the admin it proved that was the only step needed.  Which meant the factory-default cupsys.conf was correct and needed no mods at all. ;)
<topyli> hdh
<black_Nightmare> was wondering if ubuntu setup has anything for playing dvd or thats a seperate software apt-get I'll have to do?
<topyli> nis: yeah :)
<kevman> I can't run Robots :-(
<zooko> black_Nightmare: I use mplayer.  There's a page on ubuntu web about it.
<farruinn> black_Nightmare: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for details
<topyli> nis: anyway, thanks dude, i wanted that to work
<black_Nightmare> mplayer?  don't tell me thats MS? :p
<tigger|nl> fortunately not :P
<nis> topyli: well so did I!  I just setup ubuntu yesterday, and cups was hi priority.  So thank *you* as well. /tips hat
<black_Nightmare> tigger..ok ty because mplayer.exe is what the older standalone WMP were sometimes named as
<heatwave> black_Nightmare: apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd libdvdcss2
<black_Nightmare> funny concidence I guess
<justin`> if you don't know what mplayer than you have issues
<topyli> nis: also, when our friend returns, he'll get advice :)
<oggah> how to get quicktime (.mov) work in mozilla firefox?
<zooko> The M is for Movie, not for Microsoft.
<Redwraith111> its not actually a big deal
<zooko> oggah: mplayer mozilla plugin
<oggah> for example, all the trailers at apple.com/trailers
<heatwave> black_Nightmare: then start vlc like this: vlc --aout esd
<heatwave> black_Nightmare: that will enable you to use the menus iirc
<tigger|nl> black_Nightmare: I also recommend VLC above mplayer..
<nis> topyli: if this all gets logged somewhere and published it's a good turn.  I'm sure the Wiki already covers this.
<black_Nightmare> hmmm vlc -- ok
<topyli> nis: logged yes i'm sure, but i don't know if anyone archives them on the web
<nis> topyli: the 'install Debian' solution someone offered as an alternate 'inspired' me to prove it's overkill to do it that way.
<black_Nightmare> you know.....
<black_Nightmare> just how old is the apt-get thing itself?
<nis> topyli: because, you know .. CUPS does in fact, rock.
<topyli> nis: that someone was someone called topyli :)
<griffith> I'm soon getting my new mb. it's msi's ati xpress 200 chipset with integrated grapichs. do anyone of you have any experience with that with ubuntu?
<topyli> nis: i also said "install lpd"
<black_Nightmare> anyone? :p
<raydogg> how do I run the xorg config so i can add another resolution to my list ?
<farruinn> raydogg: it'd probably just be easier to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<vixus> Hey, can someone help me get sound working again in Ubuntu? (I recently installed hoary)
<zooko> Anybody know if I can invoke mozilla -remote "openURL()" and get a noraise feature, such as galeon has?
<moyogo> vixus: what's the problem?
<vixus> It was automatically working on install in warty, but this time it hasn't (my sound card wasnt plugged in on install)
<vixus> vixus: It just isn't.... there.
<ob1kenobi> raydogg, in the first lines of the file xorg.conf it is written how to run dpkg-reconfigure
<vixus> moyogo: It just hasn't been detected..
<mdz> zooko: mixing packages from different branches will always be problematic; you'll have more problems mixing warty and hoary than you would if you simply upgraded wholesale to horay
<mdz> hoary
<raydogg> ok, the login screen runs at > 60 hz, how can i change this ?
<deville_75> can anyone help me?
<neighborlee> anyone know why: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extension < doesn't contain xf86vmode.h: reason i'm asking is I'm compiling a app that needs that header..and according to debian.org ,- xlibs-static-dev ( whcih acording to synaptic IS a installed package) is in unstable yet ubuntu shows that header clearly not in the DIR I pasted and wondering why they would have chosen to leave it out ??? ;-))
<vixus> raydogg: System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
<ob1kenobi> raydogg, in the process of reconfiguring you are asked for screen hor-fx
<drspin> raydogg: you want it to be at 60hz?
<raydogg> yes
<vixus> moyogo: Can you help?
<deville_75> i need help with .bin files
<raydogg> i have a 24 inch dell widescreen and at the login it says "this mode cannot be displayed"
<farruinn> neighborlee: that *might* have something to do with xorg vs. xfree, it might be in a different package
<deville_75> i downloaded the Java Plugin for Firefox, and it gives me a .bin file
<moyogo> vixus: i haven't encountered that problem, but i can try to help
<raydogg> but when i plug it up to another mon and login, i can see fine
<dashnu> raydogg, nice screen :D
<drspin> raydogg: 60hz is so bad for your eyes
<vixus> moyogo: Please do..
<deville_75> how do i install it?
<black_Nightmare> drspin..not quite so
<black_Nightmare> there's 52 and 60 (with except of 72 on the pc) here..no problem
<dashnu> deville_75, chmod 777 filename.bin ; ./filename.bin
<deville_75> huh?
<tigger|nl> deville_75: check http://ubuntuguide.org#jre
<neighborlee> farruinn, so your saying xlibs-static-dev might be part of xorg as well ?
<vixus> moyogo: Doesn't seem to be in device manager...
<black_Nightmare> I guess the truth problem is..as soon as you go higher..you just keep going higher and thats probably how some people suddenly just don't like the original refresh rate they had been at before
<deville_75> oh ok,
<black_Nightmare> no complain anyhow..just my own rant
<vixus> moyogo: Oh wait... I think it may have come lose in the PCI slot.
<oggah> used memory : 125 MB of 504Mb. how much memory used for you?
<oggah> (RAM)
<deville_75> oh and one more thing
<deville_75> do i download RPM?
<vixus> debiz: lol no
<vixus> debiz: soz
<vixus> deville_75: no
<dashnu> heh
<deville_75> ok
<farruinn> neighborlee: no, what I'm saying is the header file you're looking for is in a different package
<deville_75> whats that for neway?
<topyli> black_Nightmare: refresh rates are very much a real health problem/solution, not something you just get used to
<vixus> deville_75: RPMs are for RPM based distros <_<
<moyogo> virtuald: hehe
<farruinn> neighborlee: although I don't know for sure
<vixus> deville_75: Ie... RedHat, etc.
<moyogo> vixus: what does lspci say?
<deville_75> oh ok
<neighborlee> farruinn, nope its not...according to debian.org ..xlibs-static-dev contains the header I need
<tigger|nl> deville_75: Ubuntu is a DEB based distro
<deville_75> thx
<griffith> I'm soon getting my new mb. it's msi's ati xpress 200 chipset with integrated grapichs. do anyone of you have any experience with that with ubuntu. can I get it to work just with just downloading some drivers. or is it better to reinstall ubuntu?
<vixus> moyogo: Not in the list... must be lose. >_<
<black_Nightmare> topy...hmm....and I wondered where the use of 60Hz still comes from
<black_Nightmare> especially at higher crt res
<neighborlee> farruinn, anyway one way of resolving this is..would you mind checking your system and DCC'ing it tome if you have it please...
<vixus> griffith: Reinstall?
<topyli> black_Nightmare: the wallet? :)
<Redwraith111> im having printer trouble, how can i share it with my windows pcs?
<farruinn> neighborlee: I'm checking if that file is in that package for hoary...
<black_Nightmare> toy..what you mean?
<topyli> Redwraith111: with a samba server
<Redwraith111> how
<Redwraith111> i dunno how to set that up
<griffith> what I ment was is there any easy way to get a new mb and cpu working?
<Redwraith111> and i cant find a instruction i can understand
<drspin> Redwraith111: open up Synaptic and search for samba and install the server
<Redwraith111> i did
<farruinn> neighborlee: nope, it's not in that package
<FLeiXiuS> Redwraith111: GOOGLE.COM
<drspin> Redwraith111: warty or hoary?
<Redwraith111> i can see the files on the windows box
<Redwraith111> hoary
<FLeiXiuS> :-)
<lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
<Redwraith111> i tried that fleixius
<vixus> hmm..
<vixus> well
<vixus> g'day, I need to check my PCIs
<drspin> Redwraith111: if you google for "Ubuntu printer samba"
<farruinn> neighborlee: try libxxf86vm-dev
<drspin> Redwraith111: you shoudl find more than you could ever really need about it
<Redwraith111> i tried.. couldnt undertand it
* sabmoc is away: onBlur();
<farruinn> neighborlee: btw, I found all this searching http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<will> where do i get the ALSA driver for mplayer
<lytefyre> install went fine and grub shows entries too, but it stalls with pivot_root:no such directory and cannot open dev/console
<REAL> how can i make my floppy writable, so when i mounted i can save stuff on it
<Redwraith111> is their a samba configorator or where is the smb.conf file?
<black_Nightmare> floppy? hmm does it have a small black tape on it or something?
<neighborlee> farruinn, hmmmm very nice..I had no idea ubuntu had its own ;-).thanks <<
<LeeJunFan> damn archive is down :(
<black_Nightmare> real - yes or no? ;)
<farruinn> neighborlee: for some reason package names change going from debian->ubuntu, I don't completely understand why
<farruinn> sometimes that is
<ubungrom> black_Nightmare>yes
<LinuxJones> farruinn, like which ones the kernel-images ?
<slept> Redwraith111: /etc/samba/smb.conf - you want to use swat I thik
<ubungrom> /dev/fd0 /floppy ufs rw,noauto 0 0
<ubungrom> i got it like that on my fstab
<black_Nightmare> hmm ubungrom see if you can try take the black tape off without flexing the floppy too much
<neighborlee> farruinn, hmm....weird but yeah thanks bunches for info...
<black_Nightmare> it might be set to read-only with the tape covering the flat hole
<farruinn> LinuxJones: I guess I should rephrase that, some files aren't in the same packages as they are in debian
<neighborlee> farruinn, saves my day LOL
<LinuxJones> farruinn, can you recall any off the top of your head ?
<brunch> Help! I have downloaded the latest Alsa drivers an when installing it tells me it needs the curses library?????
<farruinn> LinuxJones: it seems to be mostly xorg/xfree stuff like this
<LinuxJones> farruinn, ahh
<will> where do i get the ALSA drivers for mplayer?
<nis> marcin_ant: 'sudo adduser cupsys shadow' grants admin rights in CUPS.  The user trying to access admin rights should be in group 'lpadmin'.
<Levander> Hey, I've set up bind9 on my ubuntu box.  From my Windows XP box, I can run nslookup, it hits the correct bind9 server on my Ubuntu box, and I can look up hosts on my local network and get the right IP address.  However, on my XP box, in Firefox, I use these same local network names and get redirected to public internet sights with the same DNS name.  Anybody know how to fix?
<brunch> Will: go to www.alsa-project.org they have the drivers there.
<Redwraith111> my printer wont print at all now...
<Redwraith111> hmm
<Redwraith111> says paralell port is busy
<Redwraith111> anydieas?
<Redwraith111> has anyone else had that problem?
<brunch> i've tried several times and it still asks for ncurses library?
<slept> Redwraith : ps ax and loook for processes trying to acess the printer
<brunch> I tried instlling the library but it was installed already.
<Redwraith111> something says parallel defunct..
<Redwraith111> if i just restart may it work?
<ice_1963> hello
<setite> help!!!!!
<setite> i cant get into ubuntu 64 preview
<^thehatsrule^> !!!!!pleh
<setite> the screen is all distorted
<setite> i suppose the drivers dont work well with my dell widescreen lcd
<mdz> setite: at the very beginning when booting from the CD?
<mdz> setite: or at the end when it loads the desktop?
<setite> its installed
<setite> at the login screeen
<pestilence> has anybody had problems using the intel compiler in hoary?  my machine locks up consistently when compiling a library
<mdz> setite: please report a bug, Package: xserver-xorg, include the information listed at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
<ubungrom> anyone knows how i can format my HD with all the partitions from linux
<setite> i imagine i need to change the resolution
<setite> is it a bug
<onno> what apt-get packets do I need to install to have more media files (codexes) in Totem?
<setite> i promise to report it once i get it running
<slept> Redwraith : what are you trying to configure printing or network printing
<setite> whats the thing to change video settings
<mdz> setite: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<setite> yea thats it
<slept> Redwraith111 : samba won't configure your printer
<setite> thanks... lets hope this works...
<setite> i wonder if it has any 16:10 resolutions
<Photar> I've got a problem with the mouse not working when I have ubuntu running on virtual pc when I connect via ms remote desktop. Anyone know whats up with that?
<slept> ubungrom: depends on the fs e.g mkreiserfs or whatever you want to use
<topyli> slept: he's rebooting and hoping the problem will go away :)
<Photar> the mouse works fine in remote desktop but not in the virtual pc window.
<Photar> I bet its a vpc problem.
<^Muffasa> hello?
<selinium_> hi all, what is the best way of going about automating the zipping up of a folder and ftp'ing it to a remote server?
<Tycho451> I have some trouble installing opera(.deb) via alien and don't have much experience with linux
<Photar> bash
<suifur> selinium_: write a bash script
<LinuxJones> selinium_, a bash script run via cron
<flodin> where can i find the alsalib development files in ubuntu?
<selinium_> Photar suifur LinuxJones: I am a recent windows convert so wouldn't know how to go about it. ANy good links?
<nis> Is there an elegant way to change ext2 to ext3 in-place? without backing up?
<suifur> selinium_: http://www.faqs.org/docs/abs/HTML/
<^thehatsrule^> elegant? :P
<LinuxJones> selinium_, this is something your going to want to do regularly for say backups ?
<Photar> selinium_: just put the commands you would type in at the command prompt into a file
<selinium_> LinuxJones: Yes, i have a dev machine at home that I would like to backup the webroot on a daily basis
<selinium_> Photar: Not ever used bash scripts i still dont know! :)
<Tycho451> Excuse the stupid question, but if I have ubuntu x86_64 installed do I need special 64bit version of every program I want to run?
<LinuxJones> selinium_, the Linux Document Project whould keep you busy :)  >> http://www.tldp.org/
<LinuxJones> *should
<Chipzz> flodin: apt-cache search alsa | grep dev ?
<selinium_> THanks all, you have been great as usual!
<lytefyre>  anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview
<flodin> Chipzz: ah thanks, found it. They use a different name than the alsalib home page
<Chipzz> flodin: you're welcome :)
<Jesterace> hullo hullo
<setite> damn
<setite> its not working
<Fl-i-nT> What is better debian or ubuntu?
<setite> ubuntu
<WillCooke> ubuntu
<Jesterace> Fl-i-nT, depends what you want to do
<|QuaD-> Fl-i-nT: we are here because we like ubuntu
<scandium> yes, this is the perfect channel to get an objective answer on this ;)
<Jesterace> i personally like ubuntu for a desktop system
<setite> i selected a resolution much closer to mine and the picture is not scrunched up to arround 3 inches wide
<Jesterace> however for a server i'd likely lean towards debian
<Jesterace> however i run slackware for a server :P
<WillCooke> Ubuntu seems to be aimed more at "normal" users?
<kevman> I am back,
<setite> can i update the nvidia driver or something from safemode?
<WillCooke> Much better community
<setite> yea it is usable for normal users as well as above normal
<zenrox> yep defentily
<setite> but my linux noob ass has problems every step of the way
<setite> anyone have adell widescreen lcd
<oggah> ubuntu is more like a windows user-system =)
<setite> or any widescreen lcd may have the same issues
<zenrox> oggah,  not that extream
<setite> yea oggah... take that back
<zenrox> oggah, more like dos 6.22 and win 3.11 wfw
<setite> its as much as any other decent gui based distro
<nis> Fl-i-nT: ubuntu *is* debian, really.
<Fl-i-nT> nis, oh ok
<setite> yes it is
<WillCooke> nis, Like a sugar-coated Debian!
<zenrox> just updated more often
<setite> well it is or it is based... bla bla bla
<setite> whats wrong with sugar coating
<setite> can anyone save this poor noob
<zenrox> ya
<zenrox> you need some
<nis> Fl-i-nT: well if you see the fonts in Ubuntu you will be pleased. Very.
<WillCooke> Nothing at all wrong with sugar coating.  It helps it go down easier.
<Fl-i-nT> nis, what you mean fonts as in text and why do you say that?
<nis> Ubuntu is debian and it does not cripple standard debian toolchain such as dselect etc.
<Jesterace> heh i personally don't like debian that much
<nis> scotch even better than sugar. ;)
<Jesterace> however ubuntu I love
<^thehatsrule^> and it loves you Jesterace
<WillCooke> :)
<Jesterace> hehe
<nis> Fl-i-nT: I saw the Bitstream Vera font set integrated in Gentoo.  Well, in Ubuntu it is even more integrated.
<Jesterace> there's a p100 in the closet
<setite> anyone know how to get ubuntu to display on a widescren monitor
<nis> Fl-i-nT: (truetype)
<Jesterace> i should take the slave drive out of my server and use it in it :P
* Jesterace ponders what he could do with it
<setite> i figured itd be stretched... but it doesnt seem to be able to
<kevman> I found a bug in Ubuntu's install, though
<lytefyre> anyone have a pivot_root error while booting ?
<setite> whoops i found a thread with my monitor in the title...::: crosses fingers :::
<WillCooke> setite, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html
<nis> setite: wild guess: look in the /var/log for XFree and edit XF86Config-4 'extmod' section.
<Jesterace> bbiab
<Shoda1> Can someone help me installing opera?
<ali_> need help with instalation of doom3
<setite> yea lets hope that works
<^thehatsrule^> SING Shoda1! SING!
<setite> if i was getting 1400x1050 id be happy
<GnuKemist> hehe
<Shoda1> *sing*
<^thehatsrule^> ali_, www.idsoftware.com ? :P
<netmonk> how do i make a script start every time i start my computer?
<setite> im getting more like something else
<setite> its really distorted
<ali_> i have downloaded the binary file innstalled it and copied over the pak files
<ali_> what do i do next
<setite> is there an easy way to do that without typing it all in?
<Fl-i-nT> brb
<setite> would i have to use a livecd or soemthing
<^thehatsrule^> run it ?
<kkathman> good day all :)
<dmouritsendk> netmonk, have a peek at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto/view?searchterm=boot%20sequence
<ali_> i dont have any file named doom3, so how can i "run it
<GnuKemist> kkathman: hello
<kevman> Hiya!
<netmonk> thank you, dmouritsendk
<andril> hello all
<ali_> i innstalled the binary first then i copied over the pak files to the base directory
<kkathman> I am trying to get Samba configured correctly, would there be anyone that might help me
<dmouritsendk> netmonk, no problem
<slept> setite: get-edid |parse-edid will give you information about your display, then you can select advanced configuration in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x..
<andril> anyone having issues with themes after upgrading to Hoary?
<GnuKemist> kkathman: have you checked the wiki?
<ali_> what more can i do,
<kkathman> Gnu - yes I followed that
<nis> netmonk: ln -s /my/absolute/path/to/my/script /etc/rc2.d/S95myscript <-- example
<ali_> should i make a base directory first then install the binary ?
<GnuKemist> kkathman: and what exactly is wrong?
<slept> kkathman : what doesn't work ?
<kkathman> Apparently I have met with 1/2 success :)
<GnuKemist> ;)
<kkathman> My linux box is on a network in my home with 4 windows boxes
<ali_> could any ine help me plaes
<kkathman> all boxes are on the same subnet
<kkathman> I can access all the windows boxes from my linux box
<ali_> come on guys
<kkathman> but the reverse is not true
<GnuKemist> ohh
<kkathman> the windows boxes cant even see the linux box at all
<ali_> need help with doom 3, how di i make a runnable doom 3
<kkathman> no ping
<kkathman> no nothing
<adachan> does anyone know how to get 3d working with ati 8500 AIW
<^thehatsrule^> why not kkathman?
* GnuKemist squeezes his brain trying to remember the samba recipe
<ali_> well
<^thehatsrule^> adachan, get the binary drivers?
<mjr> adachan, it basically should work out of the box
<kkathman> why not what?
<adachan> 2d works great
<GnuKemist> kkathman: did you add the appropriate domain name to the smb.conf file?
<mjr> adachan, if not, you'd need to analyze the X server log why not
<kkathman> ie. the WORKGROUP
<ali_> hmm...
<GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
<ali_> HELP ME:::doom 3
<adachan> is ubuntu installing the current ati driver?
<adachan> from ati.com
<kkathman> yes I used the configuration tool i Gnome
<mjr> adachan, and check what "glxinfo |grep -i Direct" says
<slept> kkathman : you have to add a user with smbpasswd to access the linux boxes, when you can see them
<mjr> adachan, ATI's proprietary driver is not installed by default, but the free DRI driver should work with 8500
<kkathman> slept...can you elaborate on that?
<WillCooke> Anyone know about dvbstream?
<mjr> adachan, and that is installed by default
<GnuKemist> kkathman: smbpasswd or something like that
<Redwraith111> does anyone know how to get a printer working over smb.. i can see the linux box from the windows pc but i cant log into it
<adachan> mjr, it does work fine
<adachan> but i cant get 3d games to work
<Redwraith111> thus cannot see if i printer is their or not
<ali_> i have followed the instrutions from idsoftware but how can i make a doom3 excutible
<mjr> adachan, yes, and it should work fine for 3d too
<kkathman> I'll apologize..im very much the novice in linux at the moment
<adachan> ok
<mjr> adachan, see the above about glxinfo and X logs
<adachan> ill reinstall
<adachan> i will check it
<adachan> im not at the box now
<mjr> sure, go ahead, but that'll probably not do you any good
<GnuKemist> kkathman: no prob...  I've been using it for a while and still need to check things online every now and then
<adachan> does mythtv work with aiw 8500?
<tigger|nl> anyone who knows how to install *.prc's and *.pdb's on a palm?
<ali_> has anyone installed doom 3 in ubunru before ?
<kkathman> would there have been a password originally set up
<nis> tigger|nl: pilot-xfer -i file.prc
<GnuKemist> kkathman: you have to set it up yourself
<kkathman> i just typed smbpasswd in at the console line and its asking for the old SMB password :)
<nis> tigger|nl: (iirc)
<mrc3> hi all. how can i get gnucash in ubuntu?
<setite> does anyone by any chance watch HDTV with and ati hdtv wonder or myhd 120,130 or a fusion hdtv3 or some other hdtv capture card with linux
<GnuKemist> kkathman: it will create a password for the user you're logged as
<kkathman> well assuming I set this password up, what do I do with that?
<mjr> mrc3, it's probably in the warty universe (I know it is in hoary)
<GnuKemist> I believe you should be good to go then
<tigger|nl> nis: do I have to install something before I can do that? terminal says command not found..
<slept> kkathman Redwraith111 : smbpasswd -a username
<Redwraith111> mmk
<kkathman> Gnu:  It just seems to hang when I try that for some reason
<mrc3> mjr, something i can do like `apt-get install gnucash`? i'm totally newbie to ubuntu, i must confess!
<Redwraith111> it just gives me a help dialog
<kkathman> then it says "Failed the change password.."
<GnuKemist> kkathman: which part is it hanging?
<kresten> Hi everybody! Do you guys know how to install local dictionaries?
<GnuKemist> kkathman: smbpasswd -a username
<nis> tigger|nl: yes.  try 'sudo dselect' and look for 'pilot'.
<mjr> mrc3, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
<kkathman> machine 127.0.0.1 rejected the negotiate protocol
<GnuKemist> kkathman: change username to your username
<Redwraith111> now i do that for each user?
<nis> tigger|nl: pilot-link and also a library.
<Redwraith111> and should they be able to see the prtiner
<nis> tigger|nl: libpisock or something like that
<slept> kkathman: can you see the linux box from windows ?
<mrc3> mjr, thanks for the pointer!
<GnuKemist> Redwraith111: printer setup is a different process after this
<kkathman> Gnu: when I do that command, it just prints back a list of commands
<nis> tigger|nl: libpisock8
<Redwraith111> i did some set up
<kkathman> oh wait
<kkathman> let me sudo that
<slept> Redwraith111: each user
<Redwraith111> il lsee if i can acess it but i cant get it to print yet because i could access the linux box
<tigger|nl> nis: tnx! it works!
<Redwraith111> excellent
<Redwraith111> i set up the printer correctly as well
<Redwraith111> now if i am a user on the XP box and set it as a printer.. how can i make it so ALL users can use the printer?
<kkathman> hmm ok well no error that time after typing the password and retyping
<Xappe> hmm, wonder if I can get dune 2 running in dosbox :)
<nis> tigger|nl: no problem.  Don't do it as root -- pilot-xfer will work as low user with access to the rs232c port (same access as minicom user has, say).  I think that's correct.
<kkathman> now, are you saying that my windows boxes should be able to see the Linux now??
<Redwraith111> i just dont have the driver on windows for the printer
<kkathman> that doesnt seem right I guess
<GnuKemist> kkathman: you may have to restart samba... someone correct me here
<Redwraith111> so if i set up the printer can any user use it
<Redwraith111> i didnt have to restart
<Redwraith111> just aminute ago
<kkathman> how do I do that? sorry to be such a newb :)
<slept> kkathman : you need the password to log in if you can't see something to log in you can't use your password
<GnuKemist> kkathman: /etc/init.d/samba restart
<GnuKemist> kkathman: not sure if the spelling is correct... am not at the pc right now
<kkathman> its stopping and starting so I think its right :)
<GnuKemist> kkathman: cool
<Redwraith111> i can just dl the drivers on windows for the printer right?
<Redwraith111> but do i have to go into each windows account and enter the password?
<kkathman> now I should be able to go to a windows box and look at the network and see the box yes?
<Redwraith111> or will it just work
<GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
<Redwraith111> GnuKemist, am i right?
<sic|> why don't they just add java to synaptic....jeebus!
<kkathman> nope
<slept> kkathman : use smbtree to find out if your linuxboxes really can see  windows
<GnuKemist> Redwraith111: hang on... didn't follow your thoughts
<Redwraith111> oh
<kkathman> slept  I can bring up the Computer display in Gnome and go right to a specific directory on one of my windows boxes
<Redwraith111> well.. i need to install the driver still (linux doesnt send it over i dont have it) but then do i need toset it up with each user
<Redwraith111> or will everyuser beable to print?
<NetGeek> anyone having problems updating today?
<GnuKemist> Redwraith111: am not too familiar with printer setup but I think you can set it up to be accessible by all
<slept> kkathman: thaths the volume-manager that looks for workgroups, you have to make sure your server is in the same group
<odie5533> what is the standard in archival filetype for linux?
<odie5533> tgz?
<stazz> odie5533: tar.gz
<kkathman> slept:  Didnt I do that in the network configuration manager when I specified the workgroup as WORKGROUP?
<stazz> odie5533: but .tar.bz2 is gaining popularity
<GnuKemist> kkathman: another silly thing (it's happened to me before) is to make sure your linux box is not named the same as your windowz
<odie5533> which is better?
<kkathman> oh its not
<mjr> tar.gz is pretty much the norm; tar.bz2 is emerging as a viable option (better compression)
<odie5533> Yeah... bz2 is better
<mjr> bz2 is tighter but slower, you decide
<kkathman> When I go to System Config ... Neworking
<GnuKemist> kkathman: I spent several hours one day trying to connect to a friend's server from my laptop... it had the same name as mine
<NetGeek> where do you define your workgroup in  hoary?
<odie5533> bz2 :D
<sdogi> wtf
<Chipzz> stazz: is gaining?
<selinium_> is there a way to force a program to start in a particular workspace?
<odie5533> Also, is tar.bz2 smaller than rar?
<Chipzz> .tar.bz2 is in wide use since years
<selinium_> Hi all again!
<slept> kkathman : I  always edited samba by hand don't know about the gnome things
<GnuKemist> NetGeek:
<kkathman> and then go to the General tab...  the hostname is set to Ubuntu
<kkathman> isnt that the computer name?
<stazz> Chipzz: oh, I'm very sorry, let me rephrase..
<GnuKemist> NetGeek: check ubuntuguide.org
<mjr> odie5533, no idea and irrelevant for this talk about standard archival filetypes in linux, since rar isn't free ;)
<GnuKemist> kkathman: yup
<sdogi> is there a sloppy focus in gnome?
<slept> kkathman : with smbtree you will find out in no time if things are configured right or not
<kkathman> The Doman name is blank., the Enable Windows networking is checked, the Description is %h(Samba,Ubuntu) and Domain/Workgroup is WORKGROUP
<mjr> sdogi, yes
* GnuKemist has to drive 1.5 hours to get home now
<odie5533> Ah, I thought it was, meh, its so widely used on windows, just wondering
<sdogi> mjr: how can i enable it
<mjr> sdogi, Preferences/Windows
<GnuKemist> take care you all
<selinium_> safe driving GnuKemist
<netmonk> dmouritsendk, the starting of the script worked out, thanks s bunch
<sdogi> mjr: ahh :)
<sdogi> mjr: thanks :)
<Zodi> whats this room for?
<selinium_> Zodi: Ubuntu linux
<dmouritsendk> netmonk, no problem :) glad it worked :)
<Zodi> kk
<ace2001ac> is the 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary' archive down?
<kkathman> slept is the command just smbtree at the $ prompt?
<selinium_> Zodi: is that you real name?
<slept> yes
<kkathman> ok I got a long output on that slept
<slept> kkathman : did it find your windows boxes ?
<kkathman> well
<kkathman> I guess yes
<kkathman> but just before them
<kkathman> its says "failed negprot?
<kkathman> but then the boxes are listed with their shared resources
<kkathman> negprot = negotiated protocol?
<slept> kkathman : do you have a firewall on windows ?
<kkathman> oh wait
<kkathman> hmm.. I just noticed something
<kkathman> the system failed to restart samba
<selinium_> hi there slept!
<kkathman> when I did that restart
<kkathman> it says ok to the stopp...but fail on the start
<slept> kkathman : sudo ?
<kkathman> should I do a sudo /etc/init.d/samba start   ?
<slept> hi selinium_
<slept> kkathman: yes it needs sudo
<setite_> YAY!!!!
<setite_> black bars!!!!
<setite_> haha i figure out the issue
<slept> kkathman :restart
<kkathman> ok its started now
<selinium_> slept: If i hang around here long enough I might become useful!
<setite_> i needed to select the proper scan ranges
<slept> hope so
<setite_> for anyone
<kkathman> but I get the same output on smbtree
<kkathman> failed negprot...then a list of the windows boxes
<rsw> hey pals, i heard ubuntu is a redhat project.  true, y/n?
<^thehatsrule^> no
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<^thehatsrule^> read up
<selinium_> rsw: NOOOO!
<kkathman> fedora is the RH project I think
<^thehatsrule^> yea
<setite_> ok now i need to figure out the right settings to get the proper resolution
<kkathman> ubuntu is debian-based I believe
<slept> kkathman : don't know the negprot thing
<setite_> is there a better driver for hoary 64... than the one included... for nvidia
<kkathman> slept - I got a message before on failed negotiated protocol
<kkathman> so Im thinking that may be similar
<rsw> yeah, but from what i heard it seems to be redhat playing with debian.  but as i suspected, it's probably just baseless french propaganda.
<setite> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html
<rsw> thanks, pals.
<selinium_> setite: I think you can choose between the nvidia and the NV driver
<setite> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12225&highlight=widescreen+monitor
<Shoda1> Shouldn't I be able to install a i386 .deb packet on a amd64 system?
<^thehatsrule^> probably
<^thehatsrule^> :)
<kkathman> prolly not Shoda...wouldnt there be a specific kernel for the 64 bit processor?
<kkathman> seems like I saw that somewhere
<Shoda1> Yep
<kkathman> but you still might be able to
<kkathman> I know when I got my cd there were options to get a cd for a 64-bit AMD
<kkathman> and another option to get the 386
<setite_> where is the xorg.conf file
<Shoda1> I read posts from people who installed e.g. opera i386 on amd64
<selinium_> setite: you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure your setup,
<flint_> does anyone here have SCSI and 1 tb hard drives?
<selinium_> setite: it runs a druid for you.
<Shoda1> Yes, thats right. There a special OS versions for amd64 systems
<kkathman> ohh i see..opera should install ok on the 64-bit machine
<setite_> nah ive done all that
<setite_> i need to add my custom resolution to the xorg.conf
<cyklus> setite: /etc/X11
<slept> setite_ :  install read-edid  , get-edid|parse edid will give you all values
<setite_> i know what to input... i just dont know where the xorg.conf file is
<Shoda1> But dbki brings up a error: " Paket-Architektur (i386) passt nicht zum System (amd64)"
<selinium_> setite: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
<Xappe> setite: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<robertj> whee our campus got a loca Ubuntu mirror
<setite_> thanks
<selinium_> Hi Xappe
<gilles> i've got a big resolution problem on the new hoary (installed with review cd): first, to be able to run gdm on my acer laptop, i had to change the default depth from 24 to 16, but now i have a big resolution 640x480, and whatever i do doesn't change it, even the console's resolution is better! Someone has an idea ?
<maxchee> does anyone know of a gnome-vfs plugin that supports compressed archieves?
<cyklus> I installed preview and now there are over 250 updates.. are there really that many bug fixes after a feature freeze?
<p-fox> when doing a full upgrade to hoary in synaptic, is it identical to installing hoary from an iso?
<_BIJ_> hi@all
<Shoda1> I meant dpkg of course...
<Xappe> selinium_: hi
<slept> gilles : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<marsjays> is there any way to make _all_ of my installed (x-based) applications show up in gnomes applications menu?
<^thehatsrule^> edit it
<Yomic> Where can I find information on how to expand my partition (From a partial 3G of an HD the entire 15G hard-drive)
<Yomic> to the*
<^thehatsrule^> use parted or qtparted?
<maxchee> marsjays: are you using hoary or warty?
<geppy> Are any gstreamer-based plugins available for mozilla/firefox?  I'd like to be able to view streamed movies/listen to streamed music, etc
<selinium_> Xappe: I am hanging around in the vain hope that some knowledge will rub off!"
<selinium_> geppy: www.ubuntuguide.org
<marsjays> maxchee: hoary
<maddler> Yomic: try searching for "parted" on freshmeat
<Yomic> Okay, thanks.
<maxchee> marsjays: someone on the ubuntu forum made a menu editor for gnome 2.10
<ronchie02> I have a question, if anyone is willing to take a stab at it
<selinium_> go on :)
<maxchee> ronchie02: go on
<Yomic> Ask it, and they (we) might. ;)
<ronchie02> I'm installing Ubuntu, and it keeps locking up at configuring apt
<setite_> damn i forgot all the things i knew about ubuntu
<ronchie02> I've installed debian before, so I'm familiar with the installer
<Xappe> selinium_: what kind of knowledge?
<setite_> how do i kill the xserver
<geppy> selinium_:  Right, I have mplayer and xine plugins, but I'd like a gstreamer one, as gstreamer is a pretty fancy framework. =)
<setite_> so that the changes to xorg will take place
<maxchee> setite_: ctrl+alt+backspace
<gilles> slept: it changed nothing
<selinium_> Xappe: Any :) but mainly linux!
<Xappe> selinium_: hehe
<slept> setite_ : just stop it with /etc/init.d/gdm restart , kdm for kubuntu
<garrut> * setite_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) think it worked :)
<flint_> IS there a Equal too kazaa for ubuntu?
<maxchee> flint_: amule
<selinium_> Xappe: I managed to lunch my Xconfig and learnt so much! irssi and switching between consoles and the like!
<flint_> maxchee, geez i have heard realy bad things
<ronchie02> It's Hoary, BTW, if that makes a difference
<slept> gilles : did you select the resolution you wanted ?
<maxchee> flint_: like emule's slowliness
<flint_> maxchee, yeah
<selinium_> Xappe: Do you  know if there is a way of forcing a program to start in a particular workspace?
<flint_> maxchee, if you use one whihc one?
<black_Nightmare> one stupid question lol...
<black_Nightmare> bios PnP probably should be off to install and run ubuntu with?
<maxchee> flint_: if you want speed, go with bit torrent
<black_Nightmare> it'll be the only os
<gilles> slept: yes, but the problem looks more complicated, i even deleted all low resolution in xorg.conf, but it changed nothing
<maxchee> flint_: hoary includes BT support
<beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
<flint_> maxchee, (abit uneducated in linux) what is bit torrent?
<Akira> hoary comes with a bt client
<setite> shit
<maxchee> flint_: www.bittorrent.com
<setite> i buggered the xorg
<Xappe> selinium_: workspace as in gnome's virtual desktops?
<setite> how do i return it to the original
<Akira> bit torrent is like all other p2p in ways
<Akira> its not just linux
<slept> selinium_ : go to the workspace and start the programm , or just right-click it and move it to where you want it
<setite> well the fact that it is peer to peer is one way
<gilles> slept: and it depth 24, the laptop can't run gdm
<geppy> the xine version of totem has a mozilla plugin
<Xappe> slept: I guess he want that procedure automated
<geppy> is there a gstreamer-based mozilla plugin to be had?
<beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
<maxchee> flint_: also there is edonkey. which cannot find the rare files in ed2k, but can download at a much higher speed
<selinium_> Xappe: yep, I always start with particular programs on different v desktops. I know how to move them but I didn't know if there was a switch to auto start in desktop 4... Something like that
<setite> anyone?
<maxchee> flint_: also, note that kazaa has many fakes, while the file quality on ed2k is much higher
<garrut> anyone here using valknut?
<black_Nightmare> anyone?
<slept> setite : read  /etc/X11/xorg and do the md5sum things
<Akira> what about emule?
<Akira> there is a lot of p2p clients
<setite> ok
<setite> well not ok
<maxchee> geppy: I would suggest media player connection extension for firefox
<setite> i dont get that
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, basicly will any of them work with 56k?
<Xappe> selinium_: if you find out how, please tell me :)
<setite> read it from cli?
<geppy> maxchee:  What's that, exactly?
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: yes
<maxchee> geppy: it
<selinium_> Xappe: OK mission accepted!
<DemonTears> plz can't print arabic font it replace it by bizzare char
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, so whihc one do you think is best edonkey or bit torrent?
<slept> setite : with any editor or cat
<maxchee> is an extension for firefox that will replace the media player plugins with a spaceholder
<Xappe> selinium_: dismissed.
<DemonTears> i can read them in mozilla firefox
<selinium_> Xappe: ROFL
<beCkman> how would i go from previous version 4.10  to hoary?
<DemonTears> but not printing them
<goldfish> Fl-i-nT: torrents are better
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: BT is good for new releases, ed2k is for rare/old files
<ronchie02> Anyone? :/
<goldfish> Fl-i-nT: get azureus for d/l torrents
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: I use both
<goldfish> yeah
<goldfish> :)
<garrut> DemonTears: aribic fonts are bizarre characters
<garrut> ;)
<setite> md5?
<slept> beCkman : edit /etc/apt/sources.list replace warthy with hoary, do an apt-get update and an apt-get dist-upgrade
<setite> can i by any chance pull the xorg off the install cd
<kkathman> slept....finally worked
<setite> and use a livecd to browse and replace
<Xappe> selinium_: :D
<maxchee> setite: what are you trying to do?
<setite> fix my xorg
<setite> i buggered it
<slept> setite: you don't have to
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, so shall i get azureus or BT ?
<dabugas> hello
<ronchie02> Can anyone help?
<selinium_> setite: you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure your setup,
<setite> ok well i know what i need to remove... so i guess i just need to know how
<ronchie02> The install freezes half way through configuring apt
<Shoda1> It looks like my sources.list is out of date, where can I get a uptodate version of it?
<selinium_> setite: i think
<jogariga> does anyone know how i can get the new enlightenment working on ubuntu?
<setite> will that remove the extra stuff i added to teh xorg?
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: just get hoary and you will have a bittorrent client (btw, BT is the short form for bittorrent. Azureus is a popular java+swt bittorrent client)
<LuckyStrike> wow developers of ubuntu have made it quite possibly the most user friendly distro about
<beCkman> thanks!
<slept> setite:  sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
<selinium_> setite: what have you got to lose!
<kkathman> Shoda - apt-get update   apt-get upgrade   apt-get dist-upgrade and that should get you straightened out
<maxchee> anyone using openoffice2?
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, how big is hoary to download from pure warty fresh install with no updates?
<selinium_> setite: listen to slept, slept knows!
<_BIJ_> is it possible to install kde via apt-get without risking to break my gnome configuration?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: around 550 megs
<setite> whoa
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: actually, it's probably less; it's quite a bit, but just less than the CD, I believe.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, then i doubt i can downlaod that with a 56k connexion lol id be here all month
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: in the mean time, you can always use the official client (the one from BT's creator, Bram Cohen)
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: yup :).
<geppy> maxchee:  ?
<Shoda1> Thx kkathman, I did run the first 2 commands already and running the third one right now.
<garrut> _BIJ_: you can run gnome and kde at the same time no problem
<maxchee> geppy: wait...
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, its a rpm i donwloaded from there site how do i install it ?
<geppy> k
<Shoda1> Strangely "apt-get update" returned an error and suggested to run "apt-get update" to fix it O_o
<ronchie02> Can someone please help?
<maxchee> geppt: find it here: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1899&hl=media
<gilles> i can't have at the same time the sound of the system, and the sound in totem, why?
<gilles> (on ubuntu hoary)
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: try apt-get install bittorrent
<kkathman> Shoda - hmm thats interesting
<kkathman> what was the error?
<garrut> gilles: your soundcard doesn't support duplex, you can do that through software though
<apokryphos> gilles: You will likely want to look into getting ALSA with the dmix plugin set up
<helix_> are the ubuntu archives down?
<helix_> i do apt-get update and it fails
<slept> kkathman : what was the problem with samba , how did you fix it ?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, you know how hoary right now is in preview what exactly do they mean by preview like it doesnt have full programmes or something?
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: you should install new programs using apt-get or the graphical Synaptic Package Manager
<apokryphos> helix_: nope
<ronchie02> Hey, can someone please help?
<maxchee> geppy: find it here: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1899&hl=media
<ronchie02> configuring apt locks up
<ronchie02> half way thorough
<kkathman> slept:   Not sure I've 100% fixed it
<ronchie02> **through
<helix_> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg
<helix_>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138), connection timed out
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, ok
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: it means that it's still technically in "developement" status. It will reach "stable" status on April; roughly April 6th.
<helix_> i get that
<kkathman> slept:  The windows boxes can now see the Linux box though
<geppy> maxchee: Thanks!
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: did it work?
<setite> nothing happened
<Yomic> When running ./configure for parted I can across the following error:
<Yomic> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
<Yomic> See `config.log' for more details.
<setite> it errored
<slept> kkathman : great, are you able to log in ?
<setite> saying no md5-sum or soemthing
<kkathman> but when I click on Ubuntu on the Windows tree, it times out
<Fackamato> Yomic: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, shoudl i pkill gnome-panel'' ?
<Yomic> OKay, thanks.
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Though in such a status, the vast majority of people in here are using it. Hoary has all the latest apps etc. Warty will still get security updates for 18 months after its release, but it won't be getting new apps.
<kkathman> slept I dont want to log in, just see files on the other machines
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: try killall gnome-panel
<setite> and dpkg-reconfigure wouldnt work because i modified my xorg
<heatwave> Im running hoary preview... how do I get my old cursors back?
<codyman> hey what browser does everyone use around here.. I've been using firefox lately but its been crashing on me a lot.. and konquerer is ridiculously slow on my computer even though I have a super fast cable connection
<Shoda1> kkathman: I added something to sources.list as suggested in the ubuntu starter guide
<heatwave> the new cursors arent as nice :/
<heatwave> (esp the waiting-cursor)
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: btw, rpm packages can be installed using the alien utility. but note that this is for applications only. (not libraries)
<apokryphos> heatwave: do you recall the name of it?
<slept> setite: dpkg  -P xserver-xorg and then reinstall it
<Shoda1> The error was :"W: Kann nicht auf die Liste ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)
<Shoda1> W: Sie mchten vielleicht apt-get update aufrufen, um diese Probleme zu lsen"
<setite> reinstall what
<setite> ubuntu
<LuckyStrike> does ubuntu have a run level gui setup tool?
<codyman> Shoda1: whats that say in english...
<gilles> apokryphos: what package should i install, and what may i change in the system preferences ?
<dabugas> does anyone know if there is a package for gmplayer? (i mean mplayer compiled with the gui)
<helix_> does anyone knows why my apt keeps failing to update
<heatwave> apokryphos: no, it was just the stock cursors.. the waiting-cursor was this round circle-thing in warty, but here in hoary its an analog clock
<Xappe> heatwave: well, that is pure old cursors that got lost somewhere in the updates. the old ones should get back til the release
<codyman> helix_: i am having the same problem right now
<Shoda1> Which looks like some urls are out of date and I shouls run apt-get update to fix the problems
<slept> setite: no, the xserver
<Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: that's only a warning (just sorta figuring it from what is written there) but it means you haven't downloaded marillat's public key yet, unfortunately I've lost the link to how to do that or I'd tell you
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, where abouts is it o.O
<setite> oh running reconfigure will recreate the file?
<helix_> codyman: mmm?
<Xappe> heatwave: and i'm to tired to make any sense'
<kevman`> Excuse me, but how should I determine how full the HD storing Ubuntu is?
<Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: or it could be that you haven't run apt-get update yet
<heatwave> Xappe: ok, good :)
<codyman> helix_: maybe servers down.. it always is freezing at 99%
<apokryphos> gilles: remind me again of the problem
<kkathman> Slept: do I need to create users on my linux box that correspond to the winbox name?
<confrey> hi everybody
<^thehatsrule^> lo
<gilles> apokryphos: no system sound and sound in totem at the same time
<selinium_> lo
<helix_> codyman: mine doesnt even goes from zero up
<helix_> it timed out
<pxro> how to change the default boot-in-XYZos ?
<pxro> in yaboot
<Shoda1> Quinn_Storm: "apt-get update" IS the program who brings up this error ;)
<codyman> helix_: hmm... did it just stop working suddenly?
<garrut> kevman: df -h
<confrey> I installed libdvdcss2,but I can't see a dvd with totem, why?
<slept> kkathman : you can choose whathever you want you have to log in anyway
<helix_> codyman: yeah
<Quinn_Storm> Shoda1: then its just the warning I mentioned, and you can safely ignore it
<apokryphos> gilles: oh yes. http://resolute.ucsd.edu/diwaker/articles/howtos/howto-alsa-dmix.html
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, see how jsut because BT( british telecom ) cant be asked to run a 1 mile long cable to the sourronding villages we peope are serously dissadvantaged
<helix_> codyman: whats the ip of your server
<setite> im almost done burning the livecd if that helps
<codyman> helix_: if you haven't changed anything I would just chill for an hour or so and try again maybe the servers are really busy and or down
<helix_> codyman: that is ubuntus
<codyman> helix_: let me check
<Shoda1> ok, thx
<Xappe> Shoda1: wait for a while and try again
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: That certainly sucks. I'm in GB, too. Wherabouts are you? :)
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, South you?
<codyman> helix_: us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: London :P
<setite> felixstoe?
<gilles> apokryphos: that looks very complicated... it's not for me
<setite> ipswitch?
<setite> ipswich*
<kevman`> Thanks, garrut
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i am around bristol
<kkathman> Slept:  Hmm, I dont have to login from one windows box to another
<helix_> codyman: 216.165.129.138) <------------
<kevman`> I have all kinds of room!
<apokryphos> gilles: don't be put off. It's simple file-editing.
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Cool; I'm thinking of going to Uni there this year. Nice place.
<confrey> where can I put a command to be executes evry boot timew?
<pxro> how to change default boot from linux to an other os ?
<pxro> in yaboot
<setite> slept... i dont know if you answered
<slept> setite : you won't need the cd , you can just remove all xorg things and install them again,
<sabmoc> confrey, what type of command?
<setite> if i remove the xserver how an i to reinstall it
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, how old are you becuase i still have another 4 years to even think about how to spell uni lol
<setite> i dont know if apt is working from cli
<borgista> anybody else having trying running *apt-get update*?
<confrey> a little script to make ip masquerading
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: 18
<codyman> borgista: yes me and helix are having problems
<borgista> ok
<borgista> good, i'm not the only one
<codyman> yes.. something is up
<slept> kkathman: I didn't figure out if there is  a way to log in without password
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos gezz take 3 of that thats me i am young hehe
<confrey> I have a old PC, it is only a server, it only must share the internet connection
<sabmoc> confrey, have you seen firestarter? does ipmasq very nicely
<slept> setite : apt-get install xserver-xorg
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: minor :D.
<setite> hmmm... ill try...
<sabmoc> confrey, apt-get install firestarter
<kkathman> slept: so are you saying that over in the windows side, I need to map a drive to the ubuntu server and put in the name and password
<confrey> sabmoc, I don't know what it is, no matter; I only want to launch
<confrey> my little script every boot
<slept> setite : if you deinstall you have to remove --purge
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, check it out i jsut thoguht of something funny, you know in the matrix how they take the pill and they enter real life well its like here we linux users have escaped the windows empire and are saved
<setite> sudo dpkg -p xserver-xorg?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: released/set free/unleashed. Yes. ;-)
<setite> ok livecd burned...
<sabmoc> confrey, check init.d
<borgista> anybody else experience big instability w/FIrefox in Hoary?
<sabmoc> confrey, services that start on boot should go there
<slept> kkathman : didn't really get it, if you connect from win to lin you need username and password (I do )
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, since when you been linux user
<Shoda1> I get the error "/usr/lib/opera/7.54-20050131.5/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" so I need to install "libqt-mt.so.3", right?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: just under a year, now.
<Shoda1> Can I install that with apt-get?
<tigger|nl> Shodal: run "gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907" from terminal (without " ofcourse ;)) and then sudo apt-get update, I had error messages with nerim.net, but now it works!
<confrey> sabmoc, in ither distribution there is a rc.local; in debian-like what is ?
<kkathman> yes you need to install the libqt-mt
<slept> setite : its -P
<HdrBtrFSr> horay using gnome 2.10 yet?
<setite> capital?
<Shoda1> Ok, thanks a lot tigger!
<sabmoc> not sure
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i am a total noob when i mean noob i meant it (you can tell)
<borgista> it is HdrBtrFSr
<setite> damn i forgot that case sensitive bs
<HdrBtrFSr> (as in, if i download 5.04)
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: all in good time. :P
<borgista> Yes.
<Xappe> HdrBtrFSr: since before 2.10 was released :P
<kkathman> I had to do that also...you can find instructions by searching the Ubuntu site under the applications support area
<justin`> whats the default root password for ubuntu? I don't remember setting one
<tigger|nl> shodal: hope it works for you too!
<apokryphos> justin`: there isn't one. Use sudo.
<borgista> justin'...it's your user password
<Mr_Elendig> justin`, there ain't one
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, look do you think i should read all the manuals whihc will boar meto death and i wil;l forget 95% of it or shall i stay here and just learn by trial and improvment (what did you do?)
<apokryphos> justin`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<HdrBtrFSr> how stable is it for someone looking to be able to do day-to-day work & some minor server admin stuff?
<Mr_Elendig> having a default root pasword, now that is a "good" idea
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It really depends on what manual and what for. I'd recommend a manual/tutorial on the Command Line. It'll make you more confident with it.
<borgista> I've only had minor issues with GAIM...and some BIG issues with firefox.
<borgista> in hoary
<Mr_Elendig> just like making a master key for all the bank vaults in the world
<apokryphos> Mr_Elendig: *cough* Mepis.
<HdrBtrFSr> borgista: big issues w/ firefox is a major turnoff
<borgista> I know it is.
<Xappe> mmm, firefox in hoary is quite a drag right now
<borgista> It's really buggin me
<Quinn_Storm> Xappe: what's wrong with it?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, what you mean by command line is like terminals and stuff like cd mkdir rm ls ls -a apt-get etc etc etc?
<HdrBtrFSr> (off-topic: /igore *what* will block joins/leaves messages?)
* apokryphos uses Konqueror
<kkathman> ahh another small victory, I got my linux box printing through to a windows printer :)
<HdrBtrFSr> *ignore
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Anything in the Terminal, yup.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, is this what you did
<kkathman> apokryphos...how do you like Konqueror?
<Shoda1> kkathman: Can I install libqt-mt with apt-get?
<smouche> konqueror or epiphany are more usable right now, even mozilla, than firefox.
<Fl-i-nT> or a year ago linux was still in the stone age :P
<Xappe> Quinn_Storm: well, it wont save files unless you do a "save link as...". it dies unexpectedly when browsing files and so on...
<apokryphos> kkathman: I love it. One of my favourite apps of all time.
<pxro> how to change yaboots defaults ?
<borgista> yeah...i'm going to migrate to epiphany in the mean time
<kkathman> shoda I believe you can
<borgista> until Firefox gets fixed
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Yup, exactly.
<kkathman> Im sure I had to do that
<Fl-i-nT> smouche, loads of peeps using windows i know in my school have fire fox
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It's also worth just skim reading the beggining of the rute manual; it tells you some basic Linux stuff.
<kkathman> apokryphos - you like Konq better than Opera or Firefox?
<Shoda1> kkathman: How?
<HillTop> Quinn_Storm, I had some of thosew problems with Warty, I hope Hoary is better. :)
<smouche> I love firefox on windows, but this new version 1.1 is acting weird and very slow.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, ok i will take that advice another thing are you anygood with fire fox?
<apokryphos> kkathman: I'm not sure whether you use Gnome... but in KDE, I've found Konqueror to be *much* faster than Firefox (both starting up + loading pages).
<SysFail> firefox sux
<smouche> I'm sure it'll get fixed
<kkathman> smouche - check the ubuntu forums...there is something you can do ...some setting that makes Firefox faster
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: What's the problem? I don't use it as my default browser.
<smouche> thanks kkathman
<borgista> i agree with kkathman
<borgista> they help
<_phate_> how do I get a serial mouse to work with Hoary?
* slept loves kobodeluxe
<apokryphos> Firefox tweaking: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
<kkathman> apokryphos - I havent gotten KDE up...Im using Gnome at the moment...some benchmarks I read said Opera was fastest in Gnome, but Konq was better in KDE
<smouche> I'll do that; I do love konqueror; especially as a file browser too; love having tabs to browse folders
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i jsut have this thing that whenever i use it it has soem red text at the bottom saying ^ class="t
<black_Nightmare> phate....that would be different I believe..need different driver (or kernel whatever is proper?? lol) to run it
<codyman> anyone here use amarok
<apokryphos> codyman: right here
<^thehatsrule^> amarok?
<borgista> not i, says borgista
<black_Nightmare> the only reason usb mouse can work is since onboard usb usually have a overlay that let bios see it as a ps/2
<borgista> amaroK is the player in KDE
<^thehatsrule^> oh
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Sounds quite dodgy. Have you reported it? Firefox is in MAIN...
<kkathman> I like KDE but this box Im on is VERY limited so Gnome is about as good as I get right now :)
<codyman> apokryphos: what package enables mp3 playback?
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, I'm not talking about a USB mouse I have a serial mouse as in COM1
<apokryphos> codyman: it should all come with amaroK. But if it doesn't, get the gstreamer0.8-mad package
<black_Nightmare> phate...I was just saying 'the only reason' anyhow
<smouche> ...weird, weird.  My touch pad wasn't working under gnome; installed kde, now it works under both gnome and kde...
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, thats okay
<black_Nightmare> no problem
<apokryphos> borgista: it's not the default KDE player, just for the record. Recommended one in Kubuntu though.
<kkathman> I had KDE up when I had Libranet up
<codyman> apokryphos: i have the -mad package.. but when I import my mp3's they don't show up in the window..
<borgista> but i meant it's the best player in KDE
<apokryphos> borgista: I agree
<black_Nightmare> phate..just asking but..are you on AT board or just an ATX board but with a serial mouse?
<apokryphos> codyman: did you get it from the repositories?
<codyman> yes
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, my board is freakish, it can be both AT and ATX but it only has one PS/2 port and no USB so I have to use a serial mouse.
<codyman> aha! fixed it
<apokryphos> codyman: cool. What did you do?
<black_Nightmare> phate...sounds like very rare 'crossover' board (as in trying to convert over to ATX)
<black_Nightmare> phate..so I take it the one ps/2 port is already for keyboard - right?
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, it was a one point a SBC pII server
<codyman> dragged the music folder into the playlist window instead of adding it via amaroks file add deal
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, yep
<codyman> apokryphos: o great it broke again
<black_Nightmare> phate...hmmm I see where your problem is now....
<codyman> now it says there's no engines although there were some a minute ago
<phxguy> does anybody know if the ubunto repositories are having nework problems this afternoon? Specifically http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security
<apokryphos> codyman: erm, amaroK's "add" thing will put it into the collection, not the playlist...
<black_Nightmare> phate...I would say...a generic 2-button and 3-button serial mouse driver needs to be written and uploaded to the ubuntu software page
<Xappe> goodnight ppl
<codyman> thats what i meant.. i wanted to add to the collection but it wasn't doing it corrrectly
<black_Nightmare> ....or can someone correct me wrong and say there is already something like this?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, is in main what/
<codyman> but now i can't see any engines and now apt is in a tizzy and won't search so i am just going to reboot and hopefully everything will somehow work
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, it should be built into Xorg
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: did you get bittorrent working?
<borgista> apt-get isn't working for anyone
<borgista> at least not for me
<borgista> apt-get update gets errors
<ubuntu> ahhhh!!!
<apokryphos> codyman: have you tried pressing "Update" and re-dragging in?
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, urm no i cant find it and when i try to run it i couldnt
<borgista> something about the GPGs
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, where is it?
<ubuntu> slept i need more help
<codyman> apokryphos: yeah, its working now
<setite2> or anyone
<codyman> my comp is being weird today
<maxchee> well, do you know how to open Synaptic?
<jazzka> hi!
<setite2> how do i view my linux partition from the livecd
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, yeha
<maxchee> on the administrator menu
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Because it's in Main (repository), it's officially supported by Ubuntu. So, you can file a bug... though, have you tried reinstalling?
<smouche> hmm, apokryphos , the page you linked to above on ubuntuforums mentions installing RealPlayer to /usr/local.
<apokryphos> codyman: heh
<maxchee> just search for bittorrent
<apokryphos> smouche: the firefox tweaking one? Nope...
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, nope i didnt know you could do that ill try
<smouche> but www.ubuntuguide.org says to install to my folder
<jazzka> I would like to write a text in color, using a bash script, can echo do that?
<Jesterace> ugh stuck in windows for dvd authoring I miss ubuntu :(
<_phate_> setite2, mount /mnt/whatever /dev/hda1
<phxguy> I think the ubuntu repository servers are having problem =(
<apokryphos> smouche: here it is again: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
<calamari_> hi
<maxchee> Jesterace: which tool are you using?
<slept> setie2 : you have to mount it ,
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: yup. Just reinstall from synaptic.
<setite2> ok
<setite2> hmmm... to the wiki i go
<smouche> sorry, apokryphos , I know, I'm changing th e subject
<smouche> but I;m taling about the same page
<Fl-i-nT> maxchee, what shall i do?
<calamari_> when I cd to a symlink then do "cd ..", or "ls ..", etc.. it goes to the parent dir of the symlink rather than the previous dir I was in.  Is there a way to fix this?
<black_Nightmare> phate..hm I dunno what else to say about the serial mouse....good luck anyhow
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, how many linux distro's you been involved with
<smouche> just wondering if Realplayer should go in /usr/local or in home/realplayer
<maxchee> Jesterace: Just search for the name bittorrent?
<apokryphos> smouche: Oh, that doesn't really matter. You'd install it to /usr/local if you wanted to eventually allow other users on the comp to access too.
<slept> setie2:The live cd won't make things easier
<borgista> realplayer? is that even worth using?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: 3 properly; 2 have been a passer-by.
<setite2> why not
<slept> setie2: did you try to remove an reinstall the xserver ?
<setite2> i cant edit
<setite2> i did the ep
<setite2> -P
<smouche> ah hah... thanks apokryphos -- borgista, if you want to listen to radio streams that require it
<setite2> and got errors
<Jesterace> maxchee i'm playing with a freeware divx to Dvd converter
<setite2> something abotu dependencies
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, which ones?
<smouche> if helix works as well, whatever.
<borgista> ah...but i just get the codecs ...and using the totem plugin thing...and voil
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Properly: Mandrake, Fedora, Ubu. Passer-by: Debian, SuSE.
<smouche> hmm, ok borgista, but I'm not sure that works with embedded applets in web pages ... but I'll try
<slept> setite2: so you didn't do it ? what did you mess up with xorg ?
<borgista> ok
<setite2> i tried to add my resolution
<slept> setie2 : just configuration or more ?
<setite2> i created a section called "Modes"
<smouche> damn web sites have these freaking customized players, annoying
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i tryed mandrake latest 10.1 but its was really going wrong on me and people told me ubuntu and gentoo was brill so i picked ubuntu
<setite2> and i added a resolution to the subsections
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, I ran mdetect and found out its using the logitech serial protocal for hoary, in warty it was the MS protocal it was using
#ubuntu 2005-04-03
<setite2> i found the code on the forum
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, why did you pass by debian if ubuntu is like a sub debian?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: It's a good distro. The first one I tried, as it happens. Quite liked it.
<_phate_> black_Nightmare, weird that it would switch and also what was throwing me off
<black_Nightmare> eh...go figure
<setite2> and yea... i didnt do it... but thats because it wouldnt uninstall
<smouche> my keyboard is practically falling apart under my fingers here... accumulated cigarette ash, must be...
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: not so much because I didn't like it. Installed it on another computer while I had Fedora on mine; didn't think of switching at the time.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, geez i trying to close synaptic down but it wont close down ?
<slept> setite2: just remove that section , there is aswell a saftycopy of the file with a (can't enter the sign its a tilde)
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: you can't check the X in the top-right-corner?
<slept> setite2: at its end
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: is there a download currently?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, nope
<Redwraith111> has anyone had any x problems? like going to tty2 then back to 7 and the system crashes
<Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: that would be a video driver/hardware problem
<Shoda1> apt-get can't find "libqt-mt" do I have a better chance with more entries in sources.list or are they just mirrors?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: and if it's not loading anything, then you might want to just kill it
<Redwraith111> like the fglrx?
<Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: older/less-supported video cards often have that sort of problem
<Redwraith111> that i installed
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, there was but then i relized i only had 15 minutes ledt to go to bed i cancled
<mjr> hm, apt-get checks digital signatures automatically nowadays, yes?
<mjr> (hoary)
<smouche> gimp keeps my cpu in a state of hyperactivity even after I shut gimp down; ok, forget gimp on this box...
<setite2> yea thats what i want to do... but i cant find the file
<apokryphos> Shoda1: search in synaptic. It's a similar name.
<Redwraith111> also.. if i log out i get stuck at a black screen?
<setite2> i dont know where it is
<kkathman> Shoda - you might need to get your /etc/apt/sources.list straightened out
<Redwraith111> like from gnome?
<setite2> i dont know how to mount
<Redwraith111> and i cant do anything?
<setite2> and the wiki isnt helping me all that much
<Redwraith111> vid card aswell?
<kkathman> Shoda - I would back that up and then get a good one from someone
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, flint@ubuntu:~ $ killall synaptic
<Redwraith111> Quinn_Storm could that me it aswell?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: well, if it's crashed then you're best off killing it.
<Fl-i-nT> synaptic(7967): Operation not permitted
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: sudo it
<Shoda1> kkathman: Can you send me yours, please?
<Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: not sure about the log-out problem
<atho> Hm, I need some assistance.
<Redwraith111> I think x is broked
<kkathman> Shoda - are you using Synaptic or issuing the commands at the CLI?
<Redwraith111> lol
<Redwraith111> Im going to format
<slept> setite2: you don't want to use the live cd , if you do you have to chroot and you'll be running the same system as if you would boot.
<kkathman> sure I'll be glad to send you mine
<smouche> Fl-i-nT -- one thing you might want to watch for when downloading via synaptic, make sure terminal messages are showing; some upgrade make you click in the screen to configure stuff;
<zOap> Hey people, I have a problem, I like superkaramba better than gdesklets, but superkarama won't use the Gnome wallpaper, but uses the color black as background. Anyone know of a workaround to this is Gnome?
<setite2> chroot?
<setite2> run that from safe mode
<Redwraith111> Also I cannot switch back to tty2 Quinn_Storm
<smouche> the download will seem to stall, if you aren';t looking at a terminal
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, thanks just learned how to kill a programme cheers
<apokryphos> Shoda1: it's libqt3-mt-dev
<kkathman> Shoda do you know how to copy your current one to a backup?
<Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: well, it sounds like it probably is a vid card/driver problem
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: you only ever have to sudo if it's being run by root. Synaptic is always thus.
<larsrohdin> if i want a program to start when i start x, i put it in the .xsession file... but how should i write? like: start "program" or what?
<Redwraith111> can i fix it?
<kkathman> apokryphos - I think Shoda's sources.list is messed up
<Redwraith111> i have the fglrx
<Redwraith111> the ubuntu package
<apokryphos> kkathman: why so?
<atho> I'm running Hoary preview on a PPC, and boot-up freezes at "starting hotplug subsystem"
<Fl-i-nT> smouche, ill take that on board
<slept> setite2: you don't need all that things, just boot your system ( not the live-cd ) , dosn't matter if safemode or not
<atho> Any work-around?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, ok ill take that onboard too.
<kkathman> apokryphos - he's getting repeated errors - this same thing happened to me
* _phate_ away I'm of to kill the Xserv, the wonderful Xserv of OZ
<setite2> ok and do what
<Redwraith111> if I modprobe fglrx Quinn_Storm and it doesnt say anything does that mean those drivers are loaded and im not in Vesa?
<setite2> i tried the dpkg -P xserver-xorg
<setite2> actually sudo that
<kkathman> apokryphos - his apt-get update fails :)
<setite2> no sudo?
<apokryphos> kkathman: I'm not sure if it's down to his soruces.list. Several people are reporting problems with the repos at the moment, but I'm not experiencing any.
<slept> setite2: fix the configuration file
<Quinn_Storm> Redwraith111: not sure
<setite2> yea how
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, have you ever made your own alterations to a source of a programme to make it do what you required or to change something?
<setite2> i dont know how to text edit from CLI
<Redwraith111> hmm its bugging me
<apokryphos> Shoda1: could you pastebin.com your sources.list
<Redwraith111> it just started today
<slept> setite : all administration things need sudo
<Shoda1> kkathman: I use a console and am SU'ed in as root
<Redwraith111> so maybe i was ifddling with things
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: a few times; very minor things.
<kevman`> I'm getting a /dev/vbi error when i use my TV card, but its showing a station just fine.
<slept> setite: nano or joe are nice editors
<jeanjean> where can i find packages for hoary ?
<Redwraith111> i use nano
<setite2> are they included?
<slept> yes
<apokryphos> jeanjean: are you on hoary?
<kkathman> apokryphos - hmm...well I dont think there is a harm in resetting the sources.list and then running the apt-get clear, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade do you?
<larsrohdin> how to write in .xsession? start "program" or what?
<jeanjean> yup
<setite2> so sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
<LuckyStrike> any know if there is a gui runlevel setup program i can download?
<jeanjean> butonly can install the basics
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, are you a type of user which has no room for Eyecandy and doesnt like icons on there desktop?
<apokryphos> kkathman: I don't think it's necessary to fully upgrade the system for this. What was he looking to do?
<slept> setite2: yes
<LuckyStrike> doesn't seem to be one included in ubuntu unlike in fedora
<setite2> ok wish me luck
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Quite the opposite. :)
<smouche> apokryphos, the repos do seem kind of, I don;t know, unpredictable lately.  I keep getting error messages, every apt-get update has to be done at least twice...
<apokryphos> kkathman: but there is indeed no harm with resetting his sources.list
<kkathman> apokryphos - he's trying to apt-get the libqt so Opera works
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so you liek eyecandy too >
<kkathman> its a standard thing I believe for Opera
<kkathman> I had to do it
<atho> again
<smouche> i'd settle right now for the eye candy of less ugly fonts.
<apokryphos> kkathman: I'd find it odd if Opera relied on Qt, but looking at its dependencies... it does.
<atho> any solution to hotplug freeze?
<kkathman> Shoda - I highly advise you to go to the Ubuntu site, though, under components and read that..its very important
<slept> setite2: good luck
<smouche> even with antialiasing on, these fonts are hideous
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: very much so, yes. I like to be looking at something that is aesthetically pleasing.
<Quinn_Storm> opera is a qt app, but you can get it statically linked if you need to
<apokryphos> Interesting that it's often labelled a "Gnome app".
<LuckyStrike> Is there a gui runlevel setup program (like the one in fedora) for ubuntu?
<black_Nightmare> stupid question once again (lol) ... can wmv be played? :">
<maxchee> it is strange, but being a qt app, opera is in the spirit of kde
<maxchee> black_Nightmare: totem-xine
<LinuxJones> LuckyStrike, no
<apokryphos> Shoda1: are you still here? Are you on hoary?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, i liek eyecandy too vvery much aswell but i dont like icons on desktop. anyway i have put the MAC OSX AQUA theme and a glossed icon theme and i would like the equiv to superkaramaba for gnome( i think is gdesklets )
<LuckyStrike> Have to setup all the run levels via the console then?
<maxchee> Fl-i-nT: gdesklet?
<Quinn_Storm> opera isn't really in the spirit of kde since its a closed-source, pay-for piece of software...but it is a qt app
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: I recommend switching to KDE :P certainly, but that is your decision. Yup, superkaramba is great. I think themes run alright on Gnome, however.
<LinuxJones> LuckyStrike, they are planning a gui runlevel editor
<maxchee> Quinn_Storm: but the cluttered interface and infinite configuration certainly make it more kde like (no offence to kde people)
<black_Nightmare> hmm thanks maxchee....its just that too many online clips are stupidly **** WMP format
<black_Nightmare> go figure hehe
<apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: eek. Interesting; thanks.
<LuckyStrike> ok thanks
<smouche> Fl-i-nT, you might like xfce4; no icons on desktop, really nice window themes, very fast and light.
<jeanjean> plz can anyone say how i can install more packages
<goldfish> xfce4 is great
<Quinn_Storm> maxchee: well I am a kde person...while the interface doesn't seem cluttered to me (gnome's seems sparse and clunky), I do prefer the configurability
<jeanjean> i only can instal the packages from the cd
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: I put some screenies up not so long ago: youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: none with the x composite extentsion there though; should put them up when I next have time.
<slept> jeanjean :  run apt-setup
<smouche> I prefer kde, but I do like the way nautilus sets pictures on the desktop as their own icons..
<jeanjean> slept: thx
<apokryphos> smouche: Not sure if I follow.. could you link to a screeny?
<smouche> and having little previews of text files as icons for those files is useful too
<black_Nightmare> maxchee don't you have to hate WMP sometimes?  hehe
<andril> hello all
<apokryphos> smouche: kde does that.
<Quinn_Storm> smouche: if you turn it on, konqueror does that
<black_Nightmare> at least most website short sound clips are usually wav or cresendo which isn't quite restrictive ;)
<andril> anyine having issues with themes in Hoary?
<goldfish> apokryphos: what;s that on the right hand side?
<Jesterace> andril what kind of themes? metacity?
<goldfish> apokryphos: in those pics, sweet set-up btw
<apokryphos> goldfish: superk theme
<Jesterace> they work fine for me
<smouche> apokryphos, kde gives you a mouseover preview -- I mean the actual icons are not generic for type-- you get a thumbnail,really, not an icon
<nerv> Hey guys, whats the default root password?
<apokryphos> goldfish: I change reasonably often (but haven't recently). Thanks. :)
<smouche> you don;t need the mouse over
<kevman`> The same as your usepassword
<andril> GTK,Metacity and icons - like Indutrial
<goldfish> apokryphos: is that for kde only?
<nerv> Great, thanks
<andril> It work work
<Jesterace> andril nope they work fine for me
<kevman`> There is no Root, really.
<apokryphos> smouche: no, I really am. No mouseover necessary.
<setite> nano is nto working
<setite> file must not exist
<Jesterace> andril you putting them in .themes? in the home dir?
<setite> whats the apt command
<andril> did you install from the CD or Synaptic update?
<smouche> hmm, apokryphos , must be a setting I haven't found yet
<apokryphos> goldfish: I don't think so. Superkaramba. It's in the repositories; try it out. :)
<goldfish> ah right
<goldfish> sweet
<goldfish> thanks :)
<setite> sudo apt-get reinstall xserver-xorg
<atho> Guys, anyone know how to fix the hotplug subsystem freeze???
<atho> ?
<smouche> I just see, you know, plain icons.  It's a very nice mouse over preview though.
<slept> setite : apt-get install nano
<setite> no i have nano
<setite> when i open xorg there is nothign there
<apokryphos> goldfish: there's hundreds of themes for it on www.kde-look.org Some really sweet ones there.
<mastergoon> is us.archive down?
<setite> wait... i think i know my mistake
<setite> brb
<goldfish> apokryphos: cool :)
<black_Nightmare> does the hoary preview iso cd have a irc client included in it?  just checking
<atho> Can Warty be upgraded to Hoary without a CD?
<mjr> atho, yes, via the net
<Quest-Master> Yes atho
<andril> Jesterace: did you upgrade via Synaptics or use the CD?
<slept> setite: sudo ? use the tab-autocompletion, the file is called xorg.conf
<atho> mjr, is there a howto or such anywhere?
<Jesterace> andril synaptic
<LinuxJones> black_Nightmare, yeah schat
<LinuxJones> *xchat
<_phate_> YAY, my mouse  is working now!
<black_Nightmare> schat...don't you mean...lol nevermind
<atho> i really don't like any other distro, and hoary won't install.
<smouche> hmm, apokryphos -- in konqueror, you get thumbnails, I notice -- but not on the desktop
<black_Nightmare> you faster than me :p
<apokryphos> smouche: you can get them
<andril> me too - but my themes seemed to change after a few updates
<mjr> atho, hmm, haven't checked, since basically it's just changing warty references to hoary in either /etc/apt/sources.list or synaptic and upgrading...
<LinuxJones> atho, you searched the wiki ?
<apokryphos> smouche: the preview thing as mentioned before is not limited to Konqueror.
<setite> nope... dont know what i did wrong
<atho> Linux, no, i'm ashamed. BRB. :(
<LinuxJones> heh
<smouche> excellent, apokryphos -- Thanks!  I thought this was some nautilus specialty, or something
<apokryphos> smouche: Nautilus seems real nice, but there's no contest with Konqueror for me.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, do you have kubuntu then?
<atho> What search term should I use?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Yeah.
<kkathman> sorry Im back now
<MacPlusG3> daniels: ping
<kkathman> hopefully I didnt miss much
<daniels> MacPlusG3: goooood morning!
<smouche> me too apokryphos .
<slept> setite: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<MacPlusG3> daniels: good morning to you too
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so i dont know anything about kubuntu but is it only fro hoary or warty i mean is there like warty kubuntu so on...
<apokryphos> smouche: cool. :)
<MacPlusG3> daniels: so i should book bill bailey tickets? how many (did you need one?)
<MacPlusG3> daniels: also going to an install day at monash today (for a little while). taking lots of CDs :)
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: KDE is available on Warty, but only KDE 3.2. Hoary has 3.4 in the repositories (one of the first distros to, FTR).
<jogariga> does anyone know how to install skype on ubuntu?
<andril> Jesterace: do you know how to repair themes?
<Jesterace> andril not really
<Jesterace> the only theme i use is bluecurve
<smouche> Well, I'm going to do something unneccesary, probably, but I can't help myself: reinstall hoary fresh from cd, kde version,
<andril> oh
<daniels> MacPlusG3: rad ... if you need cds, i have a hojillion in wheelers hill, so call me and you can pick some up if you need
<andril> thanks anyways
<smouche> just for the hell of it.
<MacPlusG3> daniels: i have like 50-100 of each arch :)
<Quinn_Storm> jogariga: you have to add a repository that has it to your sources.list...deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main has it last I checked
<daniels> MacPlusG3: a friend has a spare ticket for tonight, so I can grab that and just meet you there
<apokryphos> smouche: why? ;-). Just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade instead.
<MacPlusG3> daniels: rock. i'll book stuff for me
<setite> i dunno what to do
<kkathman> I would love to install KDE but I just dont think my box would take it
<nis> bbl.
<apokryphos> smouche: there's been changes likely since your CD version.
<Quinn_Storm> kkathman: specs?
<setite> how do i navigate to different folders
<daniels> MacPlusG3: phat
<CarlK_> what is the channel for kernel hackers?
<kkathman> Am I right that KDE is more resource intense than Gnome?
<CarlK_> or, how can I pass more than 255 chars at boot?
<Quinn_Storm> kkathman: actually gnome is usually more intensive than kde, but gtk is less intensive than qt.  what are your specs?
<jogariga> Quinn_Storm: where is sources.list located?
<Quinn_Storm> jogariga: /etc/apt/sources.list
<setite> anyoen
<kkathman> Quinn - its a hand me down puter....old HP Pavillion, 96 mb 12 gb
<smouche> I'm not happy with my partitioning; need a home partition...
<apokryphos> kkathman: it has more features, but it's oft been said that it's better for liteweight systems than Gnome. Gnome say the same thing, but visa versa, but hey. ;-)
<setite> how do you navigate folders in clu
<setite> cli*
<atho> One more thing; how do
<apokryphos> setite: man cd
<Quinn_Storm> kkathman: proc speed? 96mb ram sounds kinda small...but if the proc is fast enough you might pull it off
<slept> setite: cd , with ls you can list , try the autocompletion with pressing the tab-key
<MacPlusG3> daniels: gah. ticketmaster 7 crud... need to find some password baloney
<kkathman> apokryphos...interesting :)
<atho> I use apt to upgrade my whole system?
<atho> after ive edited sources?
<_phate_> How do I change the name of a system
<setite> wth.... i tried cd
<setite> figuring it was like dos
<kkathman> Quinn...its some Celeron
<kkathman> no clue as to its proc speed
<setite> i tried autocompleteion but its not showing
<Quinn_Storm> kkathman: cat /proc/cpuinfo for proc speed
<smouche> kkathman, I get the feeling gnome is much harder on my cpu, but kde seems a little more ram hungry.  but i  don't know...
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, FTR meaning ?
<kkathman> but its responsive with Gnome, but I just have to wait for things to swap out alot
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: For The Record
<Quinn_Storm> kkathman: well, I'd say at least check out kde, you can always switch back easily...just do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<slept> setite: become root with sudo su and exit after your done with editing
<tritium> _phate_, hostname is in /etc/hostname.  Also, see the manpage for the "hostname" command.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, when do you think i could get hoary from cd?
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: right now. :)
<Grexo> have any of u tried uwb yet?
<Grexo> is the range actually limited to 10 meters?
<Grexo> oh also
<daniels> MacPlusG3: hm.  phone booking?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so what if i order some cd of ubuntu off site there cd will now change form warty t ohoary?
<Grexo> i would like to develop uwb software for ubuntu
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: oh... to order. I'm not sure if they sell the Hoary arrays.
<Grexo> im gonna need uwb support :P
<kkathman> Quinn..thanks...its a Celeron 500MHz
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: I don't think they do; you'll likely have to wait for the official. April 6th.
<apokryphos> (roughly)
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, so what where you thinking of ::P
<Grexo> ubuntu doesnt support uwb yet i take it right?
<Grexo> since nothing is really out yet
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: downloading the ISO. Momentarily forgot about BT evilness.
<MacPlusG3> daniels: i found the email with the 'welcome to' stuff from last time. pity they don't mail you your password
<latinboy_webcam> :((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com
<slept> looking for spam ?
<apokryphos> charming
<smouche> don't you hate that stuff
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: we don't ship the arrays, no
<Grexo> hey kamion
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, well i have schule tommorow so good night and shoot some windows lol bye bye all c'ya all tommorow be bad ;)
<Kamion> hi
<daniels> MacPlusG3: heh
<Kamion> Grexo: uwb?
<Grexo> kamion:  ubuntu preview is NICE :)
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: See ya. :)
<Fl-i-nT> kamion are you from the shiping department?
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: no, I'm the guy who does the Array releases though
<Grexo> kamion:  Cant wait for the final........ preview fixed up all my major bugs
<smouche> I want an ubuntu t-shirt.  anything but brown, please
<_phate_> I screwed up my sources.list where can I get the default one >_<
<Grexo> kamion i used to have that major partitioning issue with windows and linux
<apokryphos> _phate_: hoary?
<_phate_> yes
<Grexo> all gone :)
<Coily> so... unless my moniter can save 2 different x,y positions im screwed when switching between linux, xp?
<Fl-i-nT> Kamion,  do you have any idea when you will though
<apokryphos> _phate_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<slept> _phate_ apt-setup
<Grexo> kamion:  ultrawideband... its kinda like wifi
<Grexo> in a sense
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: no sooner than final release on 6 April
<Grexo> its different tho
<hde> Hello, where can I get Hoary?
<Grexo> oooooo april 6, kewl
<black_Nightmare> once again another stupid question: alt+tab pretty much is a generic command that most os gui would usually have by default
<black_Nightmare> am I right?
<Coily> anyone?
<apokryphos> hde: check the link I just posted.
<Kamion> Grexo: ah, you've definitely confirmed that that partitioning issue is gone? good, it's been incredibly hard to get success reports for that
<Grexo> kamion im addicted to this opensource thing :)
<apokryphos> hde: oh, you just joined... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<hde> apokryphos: :)
<Grexo> kamion:  with preview it was gone
<Coily> repeat:
<Coily> so... unless my moniter can save 2 different x,y positions im screwed when switching between linux, xp?
<hde> apokryphos: Thanks.
<apokryphos> np :)
<latinboy_webcam> :((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com
<apokryphos> hde: that is presuming that (i) you already have warty, and (ii) you're willing to download it from apt.
<P229> Coily: pretty much
<Kamion> Grexo: yeah, that was gone ages ago, Array CD 2
<Coily> P229, ='[
<hde> apokryphos: Nope, am.
<hde> I will install then use apt.
<apokryphos> latinboy_webcam: This is hardly the best place to look for ladies.
<Kamion> fabbione: speaking of other channels, wake up and do something about latinboy_webcam :)
<apokryphos> hde: you're not on warty?
<hde> Nope.
<fabbione> Kamion: ?
<Zugot> is us.archive.ubuntu.com up?
<setite> how do i reinstall linux
<hde> But I will be.
<setite> over the current installation
<Kamion> fabbione: spammer
<apokryphos> fabbione: look up ^
<fabbione> Kamion: right...
<latinboy_webcam> what is up
<setite> or would apt-get dist-upgrade work
<latinboy_webcam> i am inoccent
<setite> anything i just want back in
* mode/#ubuntu [+o fabbione]  by ChanServ
<apokryphos> hde: go straight for Hoary then. See /topic
<hde> ok
* mode/#ubuntu [-o+b latinboy_webcam *!*cuerazoma@201.240.51.*]  by fabbione
* latinboy_webcam was kicked off #ubuntu by fabbione ([BX-bk]  bye bye)
<Fl-i-nT> Kamion you'll be happy to know ive done my job i gave away 10 cd's to people in my school i am spreading linux and believe me it shard
* mode/#ubuntu [-o fabbione]  by fabbione
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: we all appreciate it :)
<Kamion> Zugot: didn't seem to be, earlier
* smouche goes to make a coaster, er, burn a cd...
<Zugot> damn
<Zugot> figures it wouldn't be when i actually want to get something working
<tjs> does ubuntu have any form of gui for managing init.d scripts and services per runlevel?
<Fl-i-nT> this tiem round can i order 20 or si that too many?
<slept> setite: you don't have to reinstall for sure not , how far did you get with editing
<setite> i cant edit the file
<black_Nightmare> hm anyone?
<apokryphos> setite: which file, and why not?
<slept> setite: with sudo ?
* hde is dowing it.
<Kamion> Zugot: it's just that mirror though, AFAIK
<setite> sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf brings up a blank file
<Grexo> ack
<Kamion> Fl-i-nT: 20 should be fine
<setite> soemtimes a new file
<hde> err downing.lol
<slept> setite : still live-cd ?
<Zugot> Kamion, ah...
<Kamion> setite: /etc/X11/xorg.conf; case is significant
<LinuxJones> setite, it case sensitive
<Quest-Master> Has anyone gotten Enlightenment-17 working on Hoary?
<Absenth> afternoon all
<setite> stupid case sensitivity!!!!
<setite> brb
<kkathman> Quinn - sorry I was otherwise preoccupied at the moment
<LinuxJones> setite, if you hit the (tab) key bash will auto-complete for you
<Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows which Apt package I need to grab to re-install "libXaw.so.6"
<kkathman> So with only 96 MB you think KDE would still perform?
<azeem> Absenth: dpkg -S libXaw.so.6
<Fl-i-nT> Kamion, godo ngiht
<kkathman> I think Im going to splurge $80.00 and upgrade the memory
<sic|> what is the trick to making samba stable...mine works about 50% of the time...it is more stable running it with wins server enabled...but it just failed for no reason
<Quest-Master> Also, anyone think Kubuntu is faster than normal Gnome?
<Absenth> Azeem where do I get the file to dpkg?
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: me :P. I'm sure Gnome users think the same but visa versa. :)
<Absenth> Azeem, Citrix is erroring on the shared libraries post a Hoary dist-upgrade
<azeem> Absenth: no idea what you mean, sorry
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: I'm looking into XFCE and KDE since Gnome's main menu in Hoary takes exactly 10 seconds to load
<P229> Quest-Master: if you want something faster, use xfce or a lighter window manager
<Quest-Master> P229: I'm gonna go for XFCE most likely
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: what are your specs?
<kkathman> so I can do an apt-get install kbuntu-desktop and that will do it eh?
<apokryphos> kkathman: that's right. See www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE for the info
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: 256MB RAM and 2.2Ghz Celeron
<_phate_> I just ran apt-setup, after searching the CD it gave me this: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/108
<P229> Quest-Master: yeah, kde takes a while to load, too
<kkathman> okie doke
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: erm... you don't need a lightweight desktop
<nerv> I was wondering if you guys could help me with one more problem I seem to be having
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: kde will run quite well on that.
<_phate_> what does it mean
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: Yeah. My computer runs Windows (nooo) and the old Gnome just fine, but Gnome's new app. menu takes unbearably long to load
<Absenth> Hmmm, it appears that file, or those libraries are related to XFree86,  which might explain why after upgrading to Hoary Citrix can't locate it.
<slept> nerv : don't ask to ask, just ask
<apokryphos> _phate_: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: KDE is real nice. :)
<MacPlusG3> daniels: do you know where your seats are?
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: Will most likely try KDE then XFCE. I really like a lot of KDE's apps. Quanta and Konqueror <3
<nerv> I have an external harddrive that I connect through USB. I was running SuSE before this an it would automount the harddrive whenever I turned it on and I'd have instant access. But after a while it would detect the harddrive but have trouble detecting the files and such, it even stopped letting me write to the harddrive. I tried it on a laptop with XP and the harddrive worked perfect, But I seem to still have this problem on Unbuntu
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: if you're looking to install, see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE for details. Also, might be worth noting that #kubuntu channel exists.
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: Does Kubuntu still have the problem with sudo?
<Zugot> ah... changed us.archive.ubuntu.com to ca.archive.ubuntu.com
<Zugot> this will work for now...
<Zugot> Quest-Master, gnome is crazy fast on my box... takes about 5 seconds
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: I've tried Kubuntu before. :) It just wasn't working very well the last time I tried it.
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: nope. As mentioned in the link, that "problem" is resolved. Minor editing needed, but no problems.
<Quest-Master> Zugot: I don't know what's wrong with my Gnome then.
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: on Warty?
<Zugot> Quest-Master, i run ubuntu for amd64
<Zugot> everything is way fast
<setite_> ok slept
<setite_> you are a god... and so is the case sensitive guy
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: Well, lucky you. I'm on a Celeron. :P
<setite_> case sensitivity is the devil
<nerv> I just recently turned on the harddrive and Ubuntu is still trying to read it, that was about 5 minutes ago
<setite_> now im back to the problem that led to the other
<setite_> black bars
<nerv> After a while it will detect all the files tho
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: I'm not on AMD 64. :P
<setite_> how do i successfully add my resolution
<kkathman> Apokryphos - do I just do the apt-get install kbuntu-desktop  or do I follow that site you mentioned, because they say to download the kde core and go from there
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: Athlon here. 2.8, though.
<Zugot> i'm just happy to get linux running on this laptop...
<Quest-Master> apokryphos: My bad. Wrong name.
<_phate_> apokryphos, http://www.pastebin.com/261539
<Zugot> the newest hoary is the only thing i can get on it
<apokryphos> kkathman: not quite.. it says you have three options, right?
<kkathman> Under Hoary yes
<nerv> Anyone have any idea?
<kkathman> Im on Warty
<casteel> any way i can set up internet connection sharing for my xbox?
<apokryphos> kkathman: Oh... what's your Internet speed like?
<kkathman> DSL
<apokryphos> _phate_: does sudo apt-get update produce errors?
<LeeJunFan> anyone succesfully using debmirror on ubuntu?
<apokryphos> kkathman: why not go for Hoary then?
<setite_> slept or apokryphos
<apokryphos> Quest-Master: no worries. :)
<slept> setite_: edit the configuration file just add the resolution you want in front of the resolutions you got"1223423232x231231231"
<setite_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12225&highlight=dell+2005fpw  is this the solution?? i added that as well as the other things but when i went to remove the mistakes it wasnt there
<apokryphos> setite: yeah?
<setite_> so replace my current resolution in the file and reboot?
<kkathman> apkoryphos - well I just installed the standard Warty from the dowload ...I guess ;)
<setite_> that simple
<slept> setite: its in the "screen" section
<apokryphos> kkathman: Hoary is the way to go. :) As a note, you can use TAB for autocompletion of IRC-nicknames.
<Zugot> how come there isn't a linux-restricted modules for the newest 2.6.11 kernel for amd64-k8
<apokryphos> setite: what's the problem?
<Zugot> that blows
<slept> setite_ it's not stupid windows, you don't have to reboot , only if you want an other kernel
<HrdwrBoB> Zugot: use 2.6.10
<HrdwrBoB> -5
<Zugot> HrdwrBoB, i'm about to...
<Zugot> thannks
<kkathman> Isnt Hoary the unstable one?
<Kamion> Zugot: 2.6.11 isn't something we'll be releasing with hoary; that kernel package is kind of broken and out of date anyway
<Zugot> Kamion, thanks... i'll remove it now
<Kamion> it'll be updated to 2.6.11.2 or newer eventually
<slept> setite: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
<setite_> well i mean kill x
<setite_> ok can i just ass a subsection to screens
<setite_> 	SubSection "Display"
<setite_> 		Depth		24
<setite_> 		Modes		"1600x1050"
<setite_> 	EndSubSection
<setite_> would that suffice
<LinuxJones> Any indication as to when "Beagle" will make an appearance in Ubuntu ??
<_phate_> apokryphos, it seems to be downloading but its being slower then snot
<Absenth> is anyone here on Hoary, using Citrix?
<setite_> yes?
<apokryphos> _phate_: if you're doing it for the first time it'll likely take some time. You got a fast connection?
<slept> setite_ : the best way is to "comment " the current section with # at the beginning of the lines , and then write a new section so it s easier to fix things later if you break them
<odie5533> hey
<odie5533> I just got
<odie5533> cannot grab mouse
<kkathman> apokryphos: so I suppose there is some "easy" way to go from warty to hoary?
<odie5533> malicious client may be eves dropping
<apokryphos> kkathman: A very easy way, yes. As in, requiring the alteration of one file and two commands. :)
<Absenth> kkathman, on a fast connection, it's edit one file, and two command line entries
<odie5533> anoyne know what I should do?
<_phate_> apokryphos, yes I have a 6MB dl on cable and a 2MB upload
<_phate_> its great for Xbox live
<apokryphos> _phate_: sweet. You shouldn't be experiencing any slowness... has it not finished?
<_phate_> now its giving me errors
<_phate_> I'll paste them
<kkathman> apokryphos:  can you point me in that direction then?
<apokryphos> _phate_: pastebin if they're long, or query them to me.
<Absenth> kkathman, edit /etc/apt/sources.list (replace warty with hoary)
<maddler> any hint for a nice kde theme? :)
<apokryphos> kkathman: Sure. www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<apokryphos> maddler: theme or window decoration?
<Absenth> apokryphos, kkathman, that's even better :)
<_phate_> apokryphos, http://www.pastebin.com/261541
<apokryphos> Ah, you're using the us mirror, I forgot. A few people are reporting problems about it.
<apokryphos> Not quite sure why. I recommend leaving and trying in a few hours or so.
<_phate_> apokryphos, okay thanks
<kkathman> Absenth: I figured it was a matter of changing the sources.list and running apt-get update, upgrade
<Absenth> kkathman, dist-upgrade actually :)
<kkathman> Ahh ok
<kkathman> yes of course
<CarlK_> append ramdisk_size=12890 - is there some way I can shorten/eliminate that?  my kenel append line is 264 chars long
<daniels> MacPlusG3: no idea, sorry
<CarlK_> or, the install's kernel append line
<MacPlusG3> daniels: on hold on the phone....
<MacPlusG3> daniels: internet wasn't letting me book anything.
<daniels> bah
<Kamion> CarlK_: there are generally other things that are better candidates for elimination; did you see my mail about that?
<Kamion> CarlK_: assuming you're Carl Karsten
<CarlK_> I am
<CarlK_> I didh
<CarlK_> t
<bretzel> hi there :)
<kkathman> sorry guyz, Im still feeling my way around here in Linux :)
<Kamion> CarlK_: the one about replacing languagechooser/blah and countrychooser/blah with preseed/locale=en_US
<pvoce> is there a question queue or should I just throw it out there?:)
<goldfish> go ahead
<goldfish> :)
<apokryphos> maddler: Plastik for both, for me, lately. Though kde-look.org has a superfluity of great ones.
<maddler> apokryphos... window decoragion... sorry... :)
<Hackmo> Can someone help me with my java plugin for firefox problem please?
<maddler> hmmm... I don't like plastik :)
<apokryphos> np :)
<maddler> gh
<maddler> I prfer smtg... hmmm... "smaller"
<pvoce> Ive googled and looked through forums for this error loading up nvidia glx drivers:
<Shoda1> Has anyone a idea why my at key isn't working? german keyboard, CTRL+ALT+Q doesn't do anything
<bretzel> Just want to make a comment: Yet I installed kubuntu-destop and switched to KDE (3.4) for a couple of days ...and ... Can't get rid of GNOME! that is funny, I use much KDE apps but as win-manager, I prefer GNOME now!!
<pvoce> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
<apokryphos> maddler: There's plenty of other good ones... one sec, I'll check my kcontrol
<apokryphos> bretzel: if you want to keep gtk apps (firefox, gaim, xchat), then you'll have to keep gtk related stuff.
<maddler> Brent... I tried gnome today... but I'm missing a lot of function I'm used to with kde
<maddler> hehe
<maddler> apokryphos... thx... :)
<geneo93> c4 aint bad
<apokryphos> bretzel: a few have asked; gnome-session looks reasonably core-ish, so I recommend trying to remove that.
<apokryphos> maddler: ok, they're not installed :P. Forgot I meddled with that stuff recently...
<Hackmo> Can anyone tell me why my java plugin doesn't work in firefox?
<apokryphos> maddler: however, check on www.kde-look.org It's great. Select "Window Decorations" and check highest rated/most downloaded
<kkathman> oops..thats what I get for pasting something to someone :)
<CarlK_> Kamion - I missed that
<goldfish> lol
<Kamion> CarlK_: ok, I think that should give you plenty of sparc
<Kamion> er, space
<bretzel> apokryphos: I said I prefer Gnone over KDE for the xwindow session-window manager... Yet I need kde tho -- but can't live without GNOME that what I wanted to say :-)
<Kamion> architectures on the brain
<geneo93> well you can have gnome does fit me
<pvoce> hackmo: you need tp sym link the libfile in your .mozilla/firefox/plugins dir
<CarlK_> yeah - I just need 9 less chars
<maddler> apokryphos... doing already... :) was only looking for suggestions :)
<CarlK_> i think
<Kamion> CarlK_: yep
<daniels> Kamion: alpha arm m68k s390 sh
<apokryphos> bretzel: session window manager? Do you mean gdm?
<Hackmo> pvoce: I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org but it didn't work
<Kamion> limits are at most 256 characters (possibly -1 for null terminator), at most 32 arguments without =, at most 32 arguments with =
<pvoce> hackmo: which version of java did you install?
<bretzel> I said "can't get rid of gnome" in the sense of that I cannot live without :-) 8-) - session/window-manager... both, but I actually use KDM and run Gnome hahah!
<Hackmo> pvoce: 1.5.0_02"
<Kamion> CarlK_: hopefully it'll get a lot easier in future as we pull preseed back to take effect earlier, following the example of kickseed
<setite_> shit
<Kamion> anyway, sleep
<setite_> well after fighting back into ubuntu... the new resolution is not selectable
<setite_> should i upgrade my driver
<apokryphos> maddler: A lot of people like Baghira (sp), but I don't like it much. Lipstik and ActiveHeart are good, imo.
<CarlK_> Kamion, how much earlier can it get?
<geneo93> bretzel:  kde has login manager dont it
<setite_> wheres synaptic
<bretzel> -- uh.. sorry if my english isn't enough skilled... :-)
<apokryphos> setite: Alt + F2 > gksudo synaptic
<setite_> is there something in the programs though
<Kamion> CarlK_: kickstart happens before any questions at all
<Hackmo> pvoce: any ideas?
<apokryphos> setite: erm, what?
<bretzel> briefely, I just wanted to say that I need KDE but I prefer to run KDE apps into gnome session --- voila! :-P
<Kamion> CarlK_: so potentially right to the start
<setite_> nvm found it
<pvoce> hackmo: did you create a symlink for the libjava*.oji?
<CarlK_> Kamion - but the netboot (my focus) won't read preseed from a floppy, only the lan
<pvoce> bbiab...wife tells me supper is ready
<CarlK_> Kamion - and there are lan setup questions
<Kamion> CarlK_: that's the current situation, certainly; it doesn't have to stay that way
<MacPlusG3> daniels: couldn't get any more tickets for tonight. soonest i seem to be able to get is sunday
<Kamion> CarlK_: yes, the same issues apply to kickstart and I solved them
<maddler> apokryphos... baghira would be nice... but it gaves me some error while compiling... :(
<Hackmo> pvoce: how do I create a symlink?
<P229> Hackmo: man ln
<CarlK_> Kamion - grovy ;)
<apokryphos> maddler: what error?
<Kamion> CarlK_: basically kickstart tries to bring up the network noninteractively whatever way it can manage it
<bretzel> And I prefer gnome over KDE because of Ubuntu ...
<Kamion> and then you reconfigure properly later
<CarlK_> Kamion - what does the -- in the append line mean?
<yasirf> hello
<apokryphos> bretzel: because of Ubuntu?
<Kamion> if you need to override with kernel arguments to use a particular network interface or whatever, you can
<CarlK_> Kamion - duh.. good idea
<Kamion> CarlK_: arguments after -- get passed through to the second-stage bootloader configuration, e.g. /boot/grub/menu.lst
<maddler> apokryphos... private...
<jesus\> is there a way to test the java looking glass project in ubuntu?
<yasirf> hello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server
<Hackmo> pvoce: yes I have created a symlink
<CarlK_> Kamion oh, I thought they were passed to the installer - no wonder things got screwy
<chillywilly> jesus\: nice nick ;)
<Hackmo> pvoce: that's what it tells me to do on ubuntuguide.org but it still does not work
<CarlK_> Kamion - so I can get rid of the -- ?
<Kamion> CarlK_: they're passed to the installer as well
<Kamion> CarlK_: if I were you I'd put the -- last
<daniels> MacPlusG3: sunday?  i thought it was only on until saturday?
<Kamion> CarlK_: the intent is that bootloader configuration always has "--" at the end
<Shoda1> Damn...still can't apt-get libqt-mt
<MacPlusG3> daniels: well... they list it on ticktmaster
<CarlK_> Kamion - no prob, I am down to 240 chars
<Kamion> CarlK_: then people can boot with "linux mymagicargument" and have mymagicargument passed to both installer kernel and target kernel
<CarlK_> I can spare the extra 3 ;)
<Kamion> CarlK_: losing -- is an option if you're desperate later, though
<daniels> MacPlusG3: hm
<yasirf> hello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server
<yasirf> hello how can i get the boot up to not sync the time server
<apokryphos> jesus\: yes, though I haven't tried it. Follow the instructions on the site (java one).
<MacPlusG3> daniels: must have put on an extra night or something.... or printed it in the guide wrong
<MacPlusG3> daniels: no, the comedy festival web site is either wrong, or ticktmaster is taking bookings for a night that doesn't exist
<geneo93> Kamion:  while your on the subject why didn't warty detect my smp
<Hackmo> so anyone got any ideas why java isn't working?
<Kamion> geneo93: SMP kernels aren't on the CD for space reasons; it *did* detect SMP, but it fell back to the standard kernel
<Kamion> geneo93: netboot installations should install the SMP kernel
<puppet> Hi all
<Kamion> geneo93: we've discussed this and we don't believe it's more important than, say, having more translations on the CD so that more people can make use of it
<puppet> Im starting to hate v4l2 :(
<nekrataal> hello
<geneo93> Kamion:  why not leave open office of instead
<poize> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=754322077423056727323d&m=screen <- does anyone know what font that is, or a font that is similar to it?
<Kamion> geneo93: not happening
<Kamion> geneo93: it's a standard part of the Ubuntu desktop; trading it for SMP kernels would not be a sensible trade
<nekrataal> ive installed acroread from the multiverse on Hoary, but when i try to launch it it says: nekrataal@seidel:~$ acroread
<nekrataal> /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No existe el fichero o el directorio
<geneo93> Kamion:  or even emacs
<puppet> anyone know how to get back regular V4L support instead of v4l2?
<nekrataal> whats wrong??, i installed it using apt-get install acroread...
<daniels> MacPlusG3: hmmmmmmm
<geneo93> but emacs who would use that these days
<Kamion> geneo93: please don't try to start an editor war here; it will not produce useful results
<declan> I don't know about acroread, but the same happened to me.  It seems normal.  In the Ubuntu starter guide, one of them, there is a fix.  I don't have the link, but just look at the starter guides.
<|QuaD-> nekrataal: you know there are pdf readers included with debian?
<declan> Acrobat is sometimes the most reliable
<kevman`> Where is Xmms installed?
<meanimal> has anyone had considerable experience using all three of arch linux, slackware, and ubuntu? i've been using slackware for years, but feeling like its sole maintainer might not be enough to keep it going.. :)
<nekrataal> |QuaD-, yes, but they are the hell of slowers compared to acroread
<nekrataal> it takes for ever to chanche the page on large files..
<CarlK_> Kamion - is the hosthame come before or after preseed/url=http://192.168.1.22/preseed.cfg ?
<geneo93> Kamion:  but isn't gedit enough
<|QuaD-> nekrataal: ok
<declan> /usr/bin/xmms
<Kamion> CarlK_: order on the kernel command line isn't important
<Kamion> at least not the position of debconf preseeds
<poize> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=754322077423056727323d&m=screen <- does anyone know what font that is, or a font that is similar to it?
<CarlK_> Kamion - so I have to pass it as a kernel parameter, not set it in preseed.cfg
<Kamion> CarlK_: oh, sorry, I see what you mean now
<Kamion> CarlK_: it's before
<netmonk> hello! how do i add fonts in hoary?
<CarlK_> Kamion - know what I need to pass? (or where the docs for this is)
<kevman`> declan, isn't there a folder where it stores plugins and stuff?
<meanimal> poize, might be smoothansi?
<loaofwar3> hi i am new to ubuntu and hav trouble with the apt-get option
<declan> I don't know.  Let's see...
<sysrq> anyone else having issues with dpkg freezing and then going defunct on hoary?
<loaofwar3> can any help me with the apt-get ?
<Kamion> CarlK_: the question name is in the example preseed file in manual section C.1
<Kamion> CarlK_: netcfg/get_hostname=whatever
<Fackamato> loaofwar3: ?
<apokryphos7> loaofwar3: what's the problem?
<poize> meanimal thanks ill look
<loaofwar3> i am trying to install acroread
<CarlK_> Kamion - thanks.
<loaofwar3> but apt get says it cant find package
<Kamion> CarlK_: which will put you over your limit, I guess - what's your current line?
<meanimal> poize, it probably isn't actually, i think it's andale mono
<Quest-Master> loaofwar3: Do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
<nekrataal> thanks i found the solution
<nekrataal> ;)
<meanimal> although smoothansi is nice.
<loaofwar3> yes
<loaofwar3> i do
<loaofwar3> heres the error message i get
<meanimal> Andale Mono i find is more productive though
<|QuaD-> loaofwar3: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
<Quest-Master> loaofwar3: sudo apt-get update
<loaofwar3> i did
<Kamion> CarlK_: I almost wonder if it might not make more sense to combine kickstart and traditional preseeding in your case :-)
<poize> thanks
<sickFLame> Hi. Is there any VPN client in Hoary Live supporting MS Encryption ? I cant find the "pptp-client" included in standart install cd.
<nekrataal> damn its ugly....
<nekrataal> heheh
<Kamion> but kickstart in Ubuntu is still *completely* undocumented so that's probably not helpful
<CarlK_> Kamion - stil under (I dumped a path and have another to spare)
<nekrataal> anyone knows about a GTK version of the acrobar reader???
<loaofwar3> sorry i got disconnected
<loaofwar3> for pasting the error message
<Kamion> sickFLame: the pptp-linux package is on the CD
<nekrataal> its really nasty hahah
<loaofwar3> i guess it was too long
<meanimal> nekrataal, try ggv
<apokryphos7> loaofwar3: are you on hoary?
<loaofwar3> nope
<loaofwar3> i am running 4.10
<nekrataal> meanimal, its to slow....
<mjr> nekrataal, it's currently in beta
<loaofwar3> 4.10 on a amd64
<nekrataal> on big files..
<meanimal> i don't think there are other options
<nekrataal> mjr, ??
<meanimal> besides xpdf, but that's not gtk !
<nekrataal> the gtk version of the acrobat reader?
<apokryphos7> loaofwar3: it should be there... in Multiverse repository.
<CarlK_> Kamion -  http://phpfi.com/55248
<loaofwar3> its not there
<loaofwar3> i cant even connect to the last 4 servers
<loaofwar3> every time i go to the package management gui
<loaofwar3> it gives me error message
<hardy> Can i install LimeWire through Synaptic?
<CarlK_> Kamion - I moved initrd.gz to the root of my tftp dir
<loaofwar3> cant connect to the servers
<apokryphos7> loaofwar3: some people are reporting repository problems... that might be why
<Kamion> CarlK_: netcfg/wireless_wep there is a dup, you can drop it
<black_Nightmare> any of you play lincity? :p
<Kamion> the first one
<CarlK_> doh
<apokryphos7> loaofwar3: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?
<Quest-Master> What's happening to the repos.?
<kevman`> Where do I put plugins for Xmms?
<loaofwar3> ok ill try
<geneo93> ahh you need to enable them
<apokryphos7> erm
<sickFLame> Kamion, it is included in the INSTALL Cd but i can't find it in the Live CD Packets LIST, so that's why am asking.
<darkgamer20> hey everyone
<darkgamer20> how is everyone to day?
<Kamion> sickFLame: oh, you said "can't find ... on the standard install CD"
<Kamion> sickFLame: that kind of software is not on the live CD as yet, although there's been some discussion about adding it there
<black_Nightmare> I'm finding lincity quite fun -- got to thank that I noticed it in the software list then noticed there was a win32 port
<black_Nightmare> :)
<puppet> no one that have check on v4l2 and v4l?
<Kamion> CarlK_: anyhow, really sleep time now ...
<CarlK_> Kamion - thanks for your help
<loaofwar3> just pasted it
<CarlK_> I think you gave me what I need to get 3 boxe up tonight
<sickFLame> Kamion, Thank you, and excuse me for the wrong question below.
<loaofwar3> apokryphos7: loaofwar3: could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list? just pasted it
<jesus\> "keyboard shortcuts" are cool, but how can I combine the "windows" key with a character?
<pvoce> ok...back
<loaofwar3> http://www.pastebin.com/261551
<declan> kevman, do you need to put them somewhere manually?  Are you apt-getting them?
<morgala> hey would you guys say ubuntu is more or less resource hungry than win xp?
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: and an apt-get update is not successful?
<pvoce> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu23_i386.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
<loaofwar3> i followed the exact instructions on http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
<kevman`> I need to place it in Xmms's plugin directory
<loaofwar3> ill try update again
<declan> Just curious. I don't know much about these things myself.
<apokryphos> morgala: more resource hungry, as in... more hdd space taken up.
<pvoce> is that with the actual .deb file or something on my end?
<kevman`> But, I can't find Xmms's dir
<loaofwar3> still cant connect to the last 4 links
<morgala> processor and ram?
<declan> I just apt-got xmms-flac and xmms-shn, without wondering where to put them
<loaofwar3> nope apt update dont owrk
<apokryphos> morgala: oh. Hmm, not quite sure. It depends on your desktop environment etc..
<WhiteRabbit> apt-get update
<loaofwar3> i guess it has problems with 64bit ver?
<loaofwar3> is it a bug?
<odie5533> welcome :D
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: since others have been reporting errors tonight, I wouldn't presuppose that. I recommend updating your sources in a few hours and re-trying
<TripleBla> hello
<morgala> yeah... i know it is a bit of a dumb wuestion but i want a desktop linux for 5-3 year old systems... min p2 450 min 128mb ram... 3gb hdd
<loaofwar3> i hav been trying since yesterday
<pvoce> thats the most debug I can get with the term scroll
<declan> Is it /usr/lib/xmms/input?
<loaofwar3> is the servers just down?
<apokryphos> morgala: that should run fine with Linux
<loaofwar3> how else can i view pdf files?
<pvoce> morgala: outside of the ubuntu, older slack versions are good for them
<loaofwar3> i really need to read pdf
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: can you pastebin all the errors?
<morgala> oh and i want a desktop linux that would make win users happy...
<declan> Sorry kevman, make that /usr/lib/xmms/Input
<loaofwar3> ok
<pvoce> morgala: Im sorry, I dont know of any distros that BSOD:))
<apokryphos> morgala: Linux requires diligence to get used to, but Windoze -> Ubuntu is not too extreme. I would recommend it, sure.
<loaofwar3> just pasted
<loaofwar3> http://pastebin.com/261553
<ewhitten> I have an amd64 system w/ an nforce3 motherboard an ati x800 card that keeps spontaneously locking up.  anyone have any thoughts?
<ewhitten> (running hoary)
<morgala> ewhitten: is everything keeping its cool?
<pvoce> ehitten: is it just locking up as in the x-server or the entire box?
<ewhitten> entire box... and no outputs to /var/log/messages
<ewhitten> morgala: I should think so.  Antec case with way too many fans on it. :)
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: comment out the nerim ones there and retry
<ewhitten> but I guess I could grab gkrellm and take a look.
<pvoce> ewitten: is it rebooting spontaneously at all?
<loaofwar3> ok
<morgala> ewhitten: mmmm... aahhhh... antec case... droool...
<ewhitten> pvoce: nope.  just complete lock...never had a linux box do this in like 10 years. :-/
<pvoce> ehitten: Neither have I...thats why I ask:)  Can you drop out of X to cl and run from there for a while?
<morgala> ewhitten: have you tested the box with other OS?
<ewhitten> morgala: yes, it occasionally runs windows off another drive.
<ewhitten> and will stay up for days.  or, at least until it bluescreens. ;)
<loaofwar3> i get new error mesage
<loaofwar3> http://pastebin.com/261555
<pvoce> ewhitten: or the better question is, does it lockup while youre only in console?
<geneo93> pvoce:  i did me no help doing that did same thing
<ewhitten> pvoce:  I really haven't been only at the console for long enough to check.
<moyogo> anybody managed to get apache2 working with ssl?
<moyogo> on hoary
<pvoce> geneo: your machine has locked up on you in console?
<loaofwar3> and even if i commend out the last source i still cant install acroread
<ewhitten> I am running the fglrx driver for my video card, but leaving it on the generic ati didn't help either.
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: you did an update first, right?
<pvoce> ewhitten: See if you can do that.  IF its the OS, youll receive the same results.  If not, its probably and x serve or video driver issue
<geneo93> yes several times xterm
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: it doesn't make any sense though, because it still shouldn't give that original error
<loaofwar3> yes
<pvoce> ewhitten:nvidia driver?
<loaofwar3> i did numerous updates
<ewhitten> pvoce:  fglrx (ati) driver
<loaofwar3> by using apt-get update
<ewhitten> I had another machine with an ati 9200 that never had problems.  so sad.
<geneo93> pvoce:  i think that may be it
<loaofwar3> the server doesnt hav the files
<pvoce> geneo: XTerm is a terminal IN X.  You need t get out of X Server altogther to just command line
<ewhitten> of course, fglrxconfig doesn't see my card as being supported.
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: someone might have removed it; that's what the error suggests. Try posting your error in #ubuntu-devel or putting it on the mailing list
<geneo93> nvidia
<loaofwar3> ok how do i post it on mailing list?
<typo> is doind a dist-upgrade from debian sid to ubuntu hoary a good idea?
<pvoce> ewhitten: did you get the driver from the ATI site?
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
<Quest-Master> typo: A lot of people have done that before and have had no problems. Maybe someone in this channel has experience
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: you just wrote about completely different errors :). You shouldn't ask about that in there... I was talking about the acroread one
<loaofwar3> o
<loaofwar3> ic
<loaofwar3> oops
<kraQ> hi all
<typo> Quest-Master: ok, thanks
<kraQ> I'm having problems installing openoffice.org 2.0 beta, it seems that there are missing package:
<moyogo> ahhh... silly me... i was putting the correct line at the wrong place
<typo> does anyone know of a Portuguese (.pt) mirror for the ubuntu packages?
<kraQ> arc@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search org2
<kraQ> openoffice.org2-common - OpenOffice.org office suite architecture independent files
<kraQ> openoffice.org2-debian-files - Debian specific parts of OpenOffice.org
<kraQ> openoffice.org2-l10n-en-us - english_american language package for OpenOffice.org
<kraQ> sorry for the flood, openoffice.org2-core is missing for example
<kraQ> does anyone know if I have something wrong? maybe an apt source?
<lamont> loaofwar3: looks like the packages file isn't there on ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
<lamont> and nothing more
<loaofwar3> ok
<puppet> no one that have check on v4l2 and v4l? since gnomemeeting dont work at all now kinda :/ But the rest work with cam its just kinda gnomemeeting
<loaofwar3> then how can i install acroread?
<maddler> loaofwar3... download it from acrobat?
<maddler> :)
<sabmoc> loaofwar3, I installed it from apt
<sabmoc> has it disapeared since then?
<apokryphos> loaofwar3: :(. Better go for the mailing list then.. if you're sure that you get a "hit" for the Universe repository in apt-get update
<lamont>  acroread_5.09-0.0_i386.deb is in the warty archive....
* lamont has no clue about ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
<apokryphos> *Multiverse
<kevman`> Anybody still have that link on how to disable IPv6?
<setite_> whats the winamp clone
<sabmoc> kevman`, open firefox go to about:config
<lamont> apokryphos: yeah, is multiverse
<sabmoc> then search ipv6 and you'll find it
<apokryphos> setite: xmms
<geneo93> xmms
<kraQ> beep
<kraQ> :-)
<kevman`> Wow, its so much faster.
<setite_> anyone know how to get my monitors native resolution to work
<setite_> everything i try buggers the display
<sabmoc> kevman`, did you find it?
<kevman`> Yes, and it cut the time to load a page in half.
<britt_radiofree> ok so I completely borked my mono. is anyone willing to take pity on me and spend a few minutes helping me figure this out (that has the mono config know-how)?
<kevman`> WTF?
<LinuxJones> britt_radiofree, maybe try #ubuntu-devel
<LinuxJones> britt_radiofree, they are very busy but someont there might be able to help
<crimsun> that's a #ubuntu question
<kevman`> Does Ubuntu come with video4linux enabled?
<sabmoc> WoOt! Mozilla Firefox Market Share Exceeds 6 Percent
<HrdwrBoB> exceeeds 6?
<HrdwrBoB> it's more than that
<sabmoc> yes, but only 0.001 more, but still 6% is a good milestone
<geneo93> kevman`:  yes
<kevman`> Hm.
<geneo93> kevman`:  check you /ect/x11/xfree or xorg config
<calc> HrdwrBoB: depends on the site i guess
<calc> though 6% does seem low
<JanC> sabmoc : that's their market share metered by 1 company...
<calc> since at least half of that would be linux users
<kraQ> calc: don't think so
<ewhitten> *sigh*
<calc> kraQ: eh? about which part?
<kevman`> Well, I have to get out here and go do work. Thanks for all your help, guys
<kraQ> calc: about that half
<JanC> I see 10-20% market share for Firefox on a lot of sites...
<calc> there is at least 3% of the desktop market using linux
<ewhitten> is that including people who buy windows pre-loaded and then format?
<calc> and a large majority of those are running firefox
<ewhitten> that's an awfully hard stat to track.
<calc> ewhitten: i think its the general estimate for used linux boxes
<sabmoc> JanC, I think even the mozilla team estimates it to be around 6-7% right now
<kraQ> calc: |desktop market| != |browser market|
<ewhitten> isn't apple predicted to have 5% of the desktop by end of year?
<JanC> even my ISP says they have +9% of firefox users now
<calc> ewhitten: aiui that is the lower conservative range
<calc> ewhitten: yea i saw someone predicting that
<kraQ> calc: and there are a lot of users using konqueror || opera instead of firefox
<jnoon> which package installs sqlite? which repo would i need?
<JanC> and their portal site is something where a user with a clue only comes if he really needs
<setite_> anyone know how to get sound working with an audigy 2
<ewhitten> hmmm... interesting.
<setite_> im hearing nothing
<ewhitten> setite_:  i have one
<ewhitten> audigy 2 zs platinum
<calc> one site i regularly look at shows gecko (moz/ff) at ~ 26% vs ~ 1.8% for opera
<setite_> i have that... not platinum though
<calc> and konq is so low its not even on the list
<setite_> but im hearing nothing
<ewhitten> setite_:  shouldn't make a difference..  I actually had to drop down to the console and use alsamixer.
<sabmoc> JanC, http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=6263
<ewhitten> setite_:  there are a few switches that I don't think get properly flipped in gnome volume control.
<kraQ> calc: that depends of the scope of that pages, that has no meaning at all
<ewhitten> setite_:  I just ran the gstreamer-properties pipe test (one long tone) and kept unmuting things until I had it.
<typo> does hoary have WPA/802.1x integrated with the desktop?
<setite_> console...alsamixer what
<JanC> but IE is still very popular in asia I heard, so maybe universal figures are lower than than european & maybe american ones?
<kraQ> calc: maybe the google browsers and os visitors rank would be more ilustrative
<setite_> im a total noob
<ewhitten> setite_:  Oh, sorry. :)  open gnome-terminal and type: sudo alsamixer
<ewhitten> setite_:  go to System -> Preferences -> Multimedia Systems Selector and hit the top Test button
<geneo93> ewhitten:  why sudo
<ewhitten> geneo93: force of habit?
<calc> kraQ: google doesn't track it anymore (at least publically)
<setite_> nothing
<black_Nightmare> so is there nothing ubuntu can't do by itself??? (*next* to emulating of course)
<black_Nightmare> :p
<ewhitten> this is interesting...  I set my fglrx driver to use the kernel's AGPGART and now the card's in 8x mode instead of 4x.
<geneo93> yeah he dont need it
<ewhitten> <--- sheepishly hides his vmware icon. ;)
<ewhitten> geneo93:  you do need sudo to use alsactl store, though, iirc
<geneo93> ahh user owns alsamixer
<setite_> ok what do i do
<setite_> i have no sound
<geneo93> i mean you can set it for root user also
<setite_> tone is off whate4ver that is
<geneo93> setite did you modprobe
<setite_> no
<setite_> i havent done anything
<setite_> i dunno what to do
<geneo93> does it tell you what card you have
<geneo93> in alsamixer
<setite_> yea
<setite_> its recognized
<geneo93> ok thats a start
<geneo93> what card
<setite_> yea see thats why i figured it would "just work"
<Fackamato> anyone used mame?
<geneo93> setite go through all them settings and make sure pcm or wave aint muted
<setite_> well on regular mixer its not
<setite_> on alsa mixer tone is off
<setite_> i cant figure out how to chane it
<LinuxJones> setite, you have onboard sound ?
<setite_> no
<setite_> audigy 2 zs
<geneo93> m will change it
<daniel_bh> Hi everybody. I am ubuntu new user
<daniel_bh> It is great !
<Fackamato> hihi
<setite_> ok tone is on...
<setite_> still nothing
<daniel_bh> anybody from Brazil here ?
<geneo93> setite maybe the suround is off or switched
<geneo93> right left arrow setite and up down
<setite_> huh
<geneo93> thats how to scroll through alsamixer
<setite_> yes got it
<setite_> the analog/digital output jack option
<setite_> had to set it to on
<geneo93> cool beans
<hwm> hello all. I am having trouble getting firefox to recognize the java plugin.  Help!
<setite_> really cool beans... now i must sleep before work
<setite_> thanks geneo
<geneo93> setite np
<Gus_25> anybody from brasil here?
<hwm> I installed the free java sdk package and made the syumbolic link to libjavaplugin_oji.so, but it doesn't run applets on web pages
<Gus_25> I installed the ubuntu but it didnt find my mouse...
<geneo93> i'm from my mama
<Gus_25> good for you
<Gus_25> if u r really sure of that..
<hwm> I previously got java to work on Firefox with a different ubuntu installation, but I can't remember what (if anything) I did differently.
<geneo93> Gus_25:  get th neighbors cat
<Gus_25> grow up...
<Gus_25> and then try to be funy..
<geneo93> hey i'm fully grown
<knucks> anyone use tvtime here?
<hwm> Does anyone out there have a process that does work for enabling java applets in Firefox in umbuntu?  Any actual information appreciated
<geneo93> and quite old at that
<Gus_25> hahahha
<geneo93> knucks:  yes
<Gus_25> if you say so...
<knucks> geneo93: did you have to finetune your channels?
<geneo93> past mid life
<knucks> I have to finetune all my channels
<knucks> and then when i close tvtime and open it again, they are all back to the default crap look
<geneo93> knucks:  no but i did have some playing around to get it to work
<knucks> do your settings save?
<robertj_> You know, the more I think, the more I believe clear looks is the best theme I have seen yet.
<pxro> how to change colordepth of monitor in ubuntu ?
<pxro> didn't find anything
<geneo93> seems to now ok
<robertj_> pxro: AFAIK there is no way to do it through the gui
<pxro> how else ?
<robertj_> if it isn't as high as you can go, something is probably b0rk in the auto detection
<Gus_25> how do i configure the mouse??
<pxro> shice
<geneo93> in xfree or xorg config file
<knucks> geneo: how do i remove the channel number and everytrhing on the top of the screen?
<robertj_> you can edit the default color depth in your X config file with a text editor but my guess is it won't work
<knucks> i dont want to stare at the channel # and the clock
<Gus_25> tx
<hwm> Repeat - having difficulty getting java applets to run under Firefox.  Have installed open java sdk and inserted symbolic link per Firefox FAQ, but still doesn't work.  Any suggestions?
<robertj_> I've got a monitor that only does 16bit under Ubuntu, if i edit the color depth it wont sync
<geneo93> knucks:  that goes away on its own for me
<robertj_> even though it runs fine under Windows
<knucks> weird..
<geneo93> like 30 seconds after
<hwm> robertj - x-windows is a kind of black magic. Best luck I have had is stealing someone else's config files that work (for no definable reason)
<robertj_> hwm: It's not really black magic is the lack of a hardware database
<knucks> geneo did u configure the program guide and all?
<robertj_> for instance, my monitor at work says "sure I can do this" and so Ubuntu sets it as my default res for X, but in fact the monitor just gives me a black screen
<robertj_> I google for the monitor, get the correct values, but there is noowhere upstream to send this info
<geneo93> no
<hwm> robertj - but there's all kinds of muimmery about the order in which things get turned on and an awful lot of tribal knowledge settings
<robertj_> no database that will cause it work right in the next version of Ubuntu or for anyone else
<robertj_> hwm: it does suck, noone contests that
<SeeleyUSMC> Yaya!
<robertj_> AFAIK the goal is that next year if you have problems you can rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and be happy
<SeeleyUSMC> I still can't get my internal wireless card to work, but I found that a cheap US Robotics card works for it automatically
<geneo93> robertj you have warty or hoary
<hwm> Is there anyone online now who can help me to get java to function under firefox in ubuntu???
<ironwolf> hwm: yes
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Glad to hear it.
<hwm> ironwolf - ok  let's hear it.
<robertj_> gene: both
<geneo93> hwm google ubuntu java
<|QuaD-> hwm: www.ubuntuguide.org
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, I'm still going to work on getting the internal to work so maybe I can write a simpleton's HOWTO and maybe help someone else out
<robertj_> gene: I've got warty on one intel box, hoary i386 on a desktop and a laptop and hoary ppc on a laptop
<robertj_> at work I've got hoary ppc on my desktop
<robertj_> (as well as 10.3)
<geneo93> robertj and both do the same
<Yomic> I need help setting up my printer (or my sister will bite my head off)
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I think the trouble is more deeply rooted than that.  I think that you've got some oddball implementation of an Atheros chip that the madwifi driver simply doesn't know about.
<robertj_> gene: well I haven't hooked it up to my laptop yet
<robertj_> I need to, but it's my wifes machine ;)
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, could be
<robertj_> gene: its a very crappy monitor too
<robertj_> do you know much about this sort of thing
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What driver does your USR card use?
<geneo93> oh dont get in trouble
<robertj_> It really doesn't matter to me, it runs XP all day anyway and I'm buying myself a new machine in 3 months and she gets mine ;)
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, but until I'm for sure about it, I'll keep using this card
<geneo93> i know how that is
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Of course! :-)
<robertj_> (I buy a $300 machine every year)
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, I'm not sure.  I just popped it in and it worked
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: That's the way it should be.
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, The box said it supported Linux so I just figured I'd try it out
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Which card is it?
* black_Nightmare is at 4.6 tech level and slowllly climbing in 'fast' mode in lincity
<black_Nightmare> yyeeeeeeaahhhhhhhh
* black_Nightmare chuckles
<geneo93> robertj i've had the same machine for the last 4 years
<Yomic> Can anyone lead me to a tutorial showing my how to setup a printer in warty? (It is a Lex x83)
<robertj_> gene: ack, get a new one!
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: build a basic city, put it on fast to get lots of money, then start developing
<robertj_> gene: I bought my machine at Office Max for $300 after rebates
<dross> mmmmm.. 2000 FPS
* dross pets graphics card
<robertj_> My next machine is going to be a Dell with 17" flat panel at $500 total
<SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog, Its the US Robotics 802.11g Wireless Turbo PC/PCI
<geneo93> robertj this is a dually loaded
<black_Nightmare> quad....read these numbers....
<DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Is there a model #?
<dross> robertj_: dell isn't that great
<NetwrkMonkey> SeeleyUSMC, it's prolly a broadcom chip
<robertj_> dross: there monitors are above average and a 17" float panel + any new machine with 512 megs of ram is a good deal for $500
<NetwrkMonkey> if it is ... well... you need the ndiswrapper or linuxant drivers
<geneo93> home brew msi mobo
<robertj_> also they tend to be rather quiet
<dross> robertj_: depends on the hardware
<NetwrkMonkey> otherwise go to madwifi.sourceforge.net
<DarthFrog> NetwrkMonkey: If he just plugged it in and it worked, it ain't a Broadcom chip, for sure.
<dross> robertj_: doesn't matter the price, you need to learn more about computers
<robertj_> dross: why?
<NetwrkMonkey> DarthFrog, oh heh ;-)
<black_Nightmare> 72560 people, 4.6 tech level, 11772 food, 3362 jobs, 1459 coal, 17982 goods, 11773 ore, 6754 steel, 29M money ... and pretty much almost all of the numbers are staying somewhat neutral but cash slowly going upward
<SeeleyUSMC> ACX 111?
<dross> robertj_: it can be a 3.0GHz p4, with a cheap motherboard, and run like crap due to cheap hardware
<black_Nightmare> quad...I've got tons of communes...some blacksmithers...tons of markets....several potteries
<robertj_> dross: so its cheap
<black_Nightmare> hehe
<dross> though p4 is screwed by design
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: ar you still building/ developing?
<dross> robertj_: you should get a laptop
<robertj_> dross: I have 2
<dross> robertj_: M35-S456 for only 1300
<black_Nightmare> quad...nah mostly letting it sit now....trying figure how to push it past tech 4.6 now thou
<dross> wonderful power of P-M 1.7GHz(faster than a p4 3.2 GHz)
<robertj_> dross: I've got a 1.6 gig celeron/512 ram/30 gig hd/DVD I bought 2.5 years ago for $760 after S&H and tax from dell
<NetwrkMonkey> what's the wifi problem?
<black_Nightmare> I don't even have any early windmills = wondering if I can wait for the better powerplants or what
<dross> robertj_: yuck, celeron
<robertj_> dross: its fine
<black_Nightmare> dross...what is wrong with celerons?
<black_Nightmare> robertj..ya looks fine
<dross> robertj_: heres a nickel kid, get yourself some good hardware
<robertj_> dross: I've got good hardware
<|QuaD-> heh, i amg going to build a dual opteron box this summer :)
<dross> black_Nightmare: much is wrong, You obviously haven't studied the difference
<robertj_> its 6 or 7 months old and I'm getting a new computer in 3 months
<DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: They're overpriced and under-engineered.
<alakdan> anyone familiar with keycodes or uinput.h ?
<dross> besides different power design(takes more power), they are slower
<black_Nightmare> dross..no I think you're not quite getting it
<dross> black_Nightmare: money is nothing
<dross> 1300 is pocket change
<robertj_> I've got a really good monitor, a good keyboard and mouse, etc.
<dross> black_Nightmare: I think you are not understanding the difference in being cheap
<sal002> Anyone else experienced weird network dropping problems in hoary?
<dross> sal002: nope.
<black_Nightmare> darthfrog..last I checked several months ago.. celeron 2ghz for $89cdn and pentium 1.8ghz 512K for $134cdn  -- and this was supplies straight from intel
<robertj_> I am cheap though
<DarthFrog> sal002: Happened to me this morning on my laptop.
<black_Nightmare> and the celeron still was a 512K model
<robertj_> I appreciate frugality
<sal002> Hmm..using tulip driver, and the network connection drops after so long
<dross> robertj_: I guess the saying is true though. You get what you pay for ;)
<sal002> DarthFrog: Good!  It happens to someone else.
<black_Nightmare> or thats what the box was able to tell me (gesture: nice store for letting me look at the glass shelves)
<dross> sal002: theres your problem, the tulip driver
<robertj_> The only problem I have had with my emachine is the noise, so I bought a quieter fan and have been happy
<dross> sal002: running a cheap network card?
<dross> sal002: realtek?
<dross> robertj_: how sad.
<black_Nightmare> quad ~ you recoken I have to build one early windmill or something to get higher tech level?
<DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: $89 is still too much for that chip!  The p4 is a bad enough chip in itself that the castration to a Celeron makes it a laugher.
<geneo93> emachines are cheap everything
<robertj_> gene: true, but it owrks
* dross feels like breaking an emachine when using one.
<DarthFrog> geneo93: The new eMachines laptops are nice, very nice.
<dabi> is it possible to set so ubuntu logs every incoming connection date/time, ip, session time, port, etc..? i have apache2 and webmin.
<dross> DarthFrog: not really
<dross> DarthFrog: I've used a couple, they were disappointing
<geneo93> i have two here someone gave me for parts
<dross> and again.. you get what you pay for.. utter crap
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: no idea... haven't played in a few months
<dross> 40 minute battery < *
<robertj_> dross: don't cry for me, I'm the one who buys all the stuff at work "cheap" and I'm going to buy myself a very nice G5 with some very nice monitors and a very nice kvm and a very cheap dell to sit beside my desk on the kvm
<black_Nightmare> quad..hm ok no problem then :p
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  you want a real laptop get an alienware
<hams> when gnome starts, i get the error "failed to initialize HAL!", what does that mean?
<black_Nightmare> one word: if you think celeron are cheap then I am going to guess you keep spending $$$ on the most newest piece of tech you can even find....simple as it
<robertj_> and then I'm going to have my very nice lackey do a presentation for me and I'm going to go to the gym and think about what I want to think about
<black_Nightmare> robertj ;-)
<DarthFrog> geneo93: I've drooled over them!  Gotta win the 6/49 first, though.
<dross> 3 hour battery  is okay.. but a 3 hour battery and external battery to boot to 8-10 hours ++
* LeeJunFan finds it interesting #ubuntu has more people in it than any other distro except #debian.
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: i 2 ghz celeron is slower than a 2 ghz pentium
<dross> robertj_: thats fine, just be aware I've a nice powerbook ;)
<atho> question again
<sal002> dross: network card bult into motherboard - sis
<black_Nightmare> robertj ~ you thinking of the newer dual-G5 with 16x dvdrw? lol
<dross> robertj_: 1500USD is pocket change
<geneo93> HAL's on vacation
<black_Nightmare> quad...just for the record..cache is not quite 'all things'
<dross> sal002: theres your problem there buddy ;)
<sal002> dross: However, no problems whatsoever in warty
<dross> sal002: you need to go get another net card
<hams> geneo93, when
<sal002> or go back to warty
<dross> sal002: buy a decent one, not a realtek
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: right, but look at benchmarks
<hams> geneo93, when's HAL getting back?
<black_Nightmare> some particular beachmarks would put same-mhz celeron and pentium on the same lines anyhow
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  my ship hasn't come in either
<robertj_> black: really I'll get the cheaper 1.8 with a ton of hd space and extras unless I decide I'd rather use Virtual PC to free up some floor space, in which case I'll get the dual 2.5
<csj> hello, I want to remove everything except  some packages, so I use dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | egrep -v "(pkg1|pkg2|pgk3|..|long to pkg100)" | apt-get remove --purge -y, but remove nothing, is egrep cant handle too long expression?
<robertj_> I'm mainly looking forward to my dual 19" ultrasharps
<sal002> dross: Just frustrating it work in warty...and it even worked in OpenDarwin (which supports like 5 network cards)
<geneo93> some time next week
<black_Nightmare> robertj ~ hmm good thought, try get a dualie still anyhow ;)  (I'm sure they started making dual's since the 1.0ghz G4
<black_Nightmare> ;)
<DarthFrog> geneo93: Tell you what, I win the 6/49, I'll buy you a top of the line Alienware laptop.  You win, you buy me one. :-)
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: i am building a dual opteron soon
<robertj_> black: I just don't need a dual proc machine unless I do VPC.
<black_Nightmare> quad :p
<robertj_> if I wanted to abuse some hardware I've got friends in research computing
<|QuaD-> i want to build a dual ppc machine, but too hard to find the ppc mobo's and components
<black_Nightmare> I'm just trying to figure where to buy one piece of older hardware to upgrade my pc with -- perhaps run ubuntu better that way
<robertj_> (speaking of which we now have a full on-campus mirror of ubuntu!)
<geneo93> DarthFrog:  deal
<black_Nightmare> quad...umm...don't you mean something like a MP macintosh? (early dualie's)
<dross> sal002: opendarwin is bsd and mach based
<robertj_> black: don't, please don't. Save up $300 and get a new machine
<atho> My install hangs at the "starting hotplug sybsystem" guys
<|QuaD-> MP macintosh? eh?
<atho> please help
<dross> sal002: you are dealing with linux. Where support for cheap hardware is non-existant
<sal002> dross: right..just saying...works there...works in warty...no go in hoary...me thinks the card isn't the problem ;)
<robertj_> QuaD: yeah, for a while you couldn't buy a single proc G5 ;)
<geneo93> black_Nightmare:  now where were you
<black_Nightmare> robertj ~ and for what particular reason when I don't really play much 3D games at all? :p
<|QuaD-> robertj_: lol
<black_Nightmare> quad... early dual-cpu macintosh (before the G3 was even out) were called MP's for some reason.  not sure what it quite stands for
<black_Nightmare> geneo....you asking where I live?
<robertj_> black: I got mine and it was much much faster, came with a bigger hd, etc.
<calc> multiprocessor?
<geneo93> oh teah the only intel duallys now are xeons
<|QuaD-> i want to basically build a cheaper dual g5 tower (cuz they mark up the price a lot)
<calc> geneo93: and ia64
<black_Nightmare> calc..doh..good one.. *bangs my head here*
<DarthFrog> |QuaD-: Steve Jobs doesn't want you doing that.
<calc> |QuaD-: the rumor is that apple with have dual dual-core g5's at WWDC
<black_Nightmare> calc....do you know that some earlier macintosh's were also clones as well?
<robertj_> btw, mack hardware blows these days
<geneo93> yeah but thats quite expensive for desktop machune
<robertj_> I have a batch of G5s, 9/16 machines have been in for repair on 18 different occasions
<|QuaD-> calc: that would be nice, but doesn't solve my problem :(
<calc> black_Nightmare: before jobs came back they allowed 3rd parties to make macs, yes
<atho> Calc, what about the powerbrick?
<atho> Did Terrasoft just feel like paying the royalty price?
<calc> atho: no idea, though it would be nice if they updated that to a g5
<black_Nightmare> calc ~ well one such clone was somewhat a madness [if you forget about the os limitations at these times]  ...
<DarthFrog> |QuaD-: Just get a minimac. :-)
<geneo93> robertj i've never really seen any difference its all junk too me
<black_Nightmare> a QUAD macintosh :p
<atho> Calc, I don't think they sell bricks anymore
<black_Nightmare> it used 604 (604e?) cpu cards
<|QuaD-> DarthFrog: i would get a laptop if i wanted something that small
<jsgotangco> wow
<black_Nightmare> can you image 4x cpu thou?
<calc> atho: ah i thought you were calling powerbook a "powerbrick" :)
<atho> XD
<atho> Naw.
<|QuaD-> DarthFrog: though i would buy my parents a mini if they called me and told me they needed a new comp
<black_Nightmare> I think it was daystar (or powercenter?) that sold that particular individual quad-cpu clone
<robertj_> calc: I found an unopened "OrangePC" board with 4 megs of on-board ram and a rather impressive dongle the other day
<DarthFrog> black_Nightmare: Yeah, people could read their email 4X faster! :-)
<black_Nightmare> darth..it was not for that reason
<geneo93> hey anyone have a ps2 with linux kit installed
<black_Nightmare> more like photoshop or something that can seperate into multiply cpu threads
<EricNeon> hello all!
<calc> the only mac i have has been powered off for a few years now
<jsgotangco> i wish i had one
<atho> i love my G3
<black_Nightmare> geneo...I sometimes wish I could know about them but sony say they don't even sell any more in north america at all :|
<robertj_> calc: what kind?
<atho> PowerMac
<calc> i got it around 2001, 840av 128mb ram, whee :)
<atho> it's old as fuck
<atho> im too poor to buy even a mac mini
<robertj_> atho: beige or blue and white?
<atho> b&w
<black_Nightmare> calc..damn LOL and I was just trying to make a deal with someone on a 840av to replace one of my computer too
<EricNeon> ChineseTeam for Ubuntu will found in this day!!
<black_Nightmare> 2MB vram and 128mb ram
<robertj_> b&w is not horrible
<atho> i know
<atho> i'm only 15 though
<jsgotangco> Chinese Team kooolll
<atho> so hopefully ill buy a g5 this summer
<|QuaD-> i am setting up FC3 in a vm, i like ubuntu SOOO much better
<atho> when i can work
<calc> 840av is not anywhere near "fast"
<Lemonzest> is it possable to install bunty on a system with only sata drives?
<robertj_> atho: why do you want the G5?
<calc> if you cause it to have disk i/o under linux you can type faster than it can display
<robertj_> calc: thats oldworld right?
<geneo93> robertj have you tried vesa on that
<atho> just to brag :P
<robertj_> geneo: on the b & w?
<atho> I might build an x86 box.
<calc> robertj_: pre oldworld (iirc) its a m68k 040/40
<jsgotangco> EricNeon: that's good! The more teams the better
<calc> robertj_: fastest m68k mac made
<hams> lemonzest, was able to do it with wart amd64 install.
<robertj_> calc: does it run sid ;)
<Lemonzest> thanks
<calc> robertj_: probably, but it takes forever to install so i haven't tried
<calc> forever being probably like a week
<Lemonzest> getting a 160g sata drive on thirsday
<Fackamato> mac?
<black_Nightmare> calc...well I'm actually looking toward a 840av to put up as a small video station especially for avid videoshop
<Fackamato> amiga is better <3
<Lemonzest> and wanna put bunty on with a duel boot of xp
<robertj_> speaking of forever to install, does bochs work well enough these days to make a disk image of for releases?
* Fackamato looks at his Amiga 1200, 68020 + 68060/64mb ram
<black_Nightmare> the performa I have is not so good for the task (not to mention its oftenly running tons of 68k code on top of a ppc processor..slower than normal)
<calc> black_Nightmare: cool
<EricNeon> thx,jsgotangco
<black_Nightmare> so want replace it with a 840av which is a true 68k to run these softwares faster
<black_Nightmare> and calc...did you know that two of the nubus slot in the 840av were made that they could kinda run double speed?  makes for some interesting really-fast hd bandwidth when you have two scsi cards working together
<black_Nightmare> it kinda sound a tad bit like the same idea behind dual-channel ram although I dunno much details how this really works
<EricNeon> how can add a wiki frontpage for Chinese team at UBUNTU wiki site ?
<geneo93> Fackamato:  your not going to start shooting if i say something bad about amiga are you
<jsgotangco> EricNeon: add your ChineseTeam entry on the proposed teams located at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamList
<calc> black_Nightmare: ah
<atho> gahhhh
<atho> i hate my system
<Fackamato> geneo93: yes I am
<atho> hoary won't start
<jsgotangco> EricNeon: make sure your ChineseTeam entry has LoCoTeamList as parent
<atho> so i have to re-download warty and manually upgrade
<jsgotangco> EricNeon: and also make sure you use Moin markup we intend to standardise the wiki into Moin
<jsgotangco> EricNeon: if you encounter problems, #ubuntu-doc is always open
<EricNeon> oh
<geneo93> mine is aged like wine dual p3 800
<atho> Has anyone tried a brooktree card in ubuntu?
<jsgotangco> hi mdz
<geneo93> Fackamato:  just checking
<Fackamato> ;P;P
<mdz> jsgotangco: hello
<geneo93> bbiaf
<dweaver> geneo93: Hey,  I'm back.  Remember me?
<robertj_> is there any way to enable vino remotely?
<robertj_> "I'm root, it's my desktop, I want to see it!"
<robertj_> I looked for an hour last night with no luck
<HrdwrBoB> robertj_: run vino-server
<HrdwrBoB> with the right $DISPLAY
<black_Nightmare> oh and calc one thing...
<black_Nightmare> the fastest 68k in term of processor was actually IIfx
<black_Nightmare> it was "wicked fast" at its time...had seperate chips to handle the I/O's (even adb was a seperate chip too)
<black_Nightmare> but then alas all these unusual archerict in the IIfx makes it a big pain for any linux to run on.  only mac os can run on a IIfx so far yet
<dweaver> Things seem a little quieter than the last time I was here.  Can any body comment on the loss of audio after an apt get update.  I am working on a new install and am gun shy.
<Fackamato> apt-get update doesn't install anything
<Fackamato> so that didn't bust your sound
<dweaver> I'm sorry, typo
<dweaver> upgrade
<atho> how is general TV card support in buntu?
<Fackamato> atho: as good as in any other linux
<Fackamato> i.e. works very well
<atho> cool
<robertj_> Hrdwr: doesn't seem to work unless its been configured befoer
<atho> especially brooktree, id think.
<HrdwrBoB> robertj_: yes but you can run the settings program with x forwarding
<HrdwrBoB> and then run the server locally
<robertj_> yeah, but that's a cop-out ;)
<HrdwrBoB> not really
<killly0u> Any way to Install Ubuntu via the network?
<HrdwrBoB> it works :P
<HrdwrBoB> working > not working
<robertj_> yeah
<robertj_> but if the service is enabled and you can auth to root via gssapi (whatever that acronym is) it should let you view!
<dweaver> Has anybody on right now been able to sync a pocketpc?
<dweaver> Hello, anyone home?
<Akira> im home
<ejlozon> i have set up a headless ubuntu server, and would like to set up cups
<^thehatsrule^> i am home
<ejlozon> what would the best way to go about this?
<^thehatsrule^> click me and die
<Yomic> OKay, I have got my printer detected and such. Now it just won't print anything :(. Can anyone help?
<dweaver> Thank you, I was getting lonely.
<Fackamato> hr
<^thehatsrule^> lol
<Fackamato> come on, someone name an arcade game
<dweaver> Yomic: what kind of printer?
<Yomic> Lexmark x83
<Yomic> Detected as x125
<hypa7ia> hey folks, anyone finding the printer config thingy in hoary is kinda broken?
<hypa7ia> hey Rene_S !
<dweaver> Sorry,  I just went thru setting up a Canon Pixma.  Had to go with Turbo Print.  Don't know about Lexmarks.
<Rene_S> hi hypa7ia
<hypa7ia> dweaver: i have a pixma too, though at the moment i am setting up a well-supported HP Deskjet.  how's turboprint?
<^thehatsrule^> hey i have that printer
<^thehatsrule^> i use it on windows tho
<dweaver> Fackamato: Tempest
<Fackamato> dweaver: what's that like?
<hypa7ia> the pixma was cheeeep
<hypa7ia> and worst case, my roomie is on win2k :-/
<dweaver> hypa7ia: I have a iP400, wasn't so cheap.  Turbo Print works great but you get a turbo print logo if you try to print on high quality without paying.
<Yomic> Fuck, if I don't get this printer working on here, my dad will akill my computer :((
<dts> yomic what isn't working?
<hypa7ia> Yomic: what printer?
<Yomic> It is being detected, it just won't print
<Yomic> Lexmark x83
<hypa7ia> dweaver: yeah, the ip1500 i have was like $70 canadian :-)
<dts> dweaver can you print low quality w/o the logo?
<hypa7ia> dts: up to 300x300 i think?  or is it 600x600
<WhiteRabbit> Yomic, you picked the closet driver instead of the perfect driver revision correct?
<Yomic> I picket what it recommended if that's what you mean.
<Yomic> picked*
<dweaver> Fackamato: You don't remember tempest?  I thought you asked someone to mention an arcade game.  Back in the day it was state-of-the-art.  Hard to explain, check the net and I bet there are pictures.
<phatcat> anyone using virtual PC?
<phatcat> with ubuntu?
<dweaver> dts: yes, works great
<Zugot> gnome 2.10 doesn't have a wireless monitor applet?
<Zugot> interesting..
<hypa7ia> Zugot: yes it does
<atho> Wireless monitor?
<|QuaD-> phatcat: i am using vmware
<WhiteRabbit> Yomic, pick drivers that are near the revision the 1st below its choice picked til 3 down then 3 up til you find one that will hopefully hit.
<atho> ?
<Zugot> hypa7ia, whats the name?
<hypa7ia> shoudl be in your taskbar
<Zugot> atho, yes wireless lan monitor...
<phatcat> |QuaD-, any problems with web browsing?
<hypa7ia> gnome-network-monitor, methinks
<Fackamato> dweaver: doh, now I remember
<phatcat> looks like i'm not getting network connection
<Fackamato> :)
<|QuaD-> nope... i am running ubuntu as my base os though
<dts> Yomic, did you configure it, for me it dectected it but i actually had to configure it
<phatcat> oh
<atho> Zugot, I took that the wrong way.
<Zugot> hypa7ia, that thing only monitors network.. i wanna know how fast the connection of my 802.11g is
<Zugot> it fluctuates as i move through my house
<phatcat> I pinged google, nothing
<hypa7ia> if you click on the thingy in the taskbar, it will show you the strength :-)
<dts> did you guys download turboprint from the website because it's not in synaptic
<Chamkila_> hey
<hypa7ia> phatcat: sudo ifconfig
<dweaver> Fackamato: Spent lots of time and quarters down at the local deli.  I am sure that was before some of these people were born.
<Yomic> I am having to configure it yes.
<phatcat> tried firefox, nothing
<Chamkila_> im a n00b to ubuntu livecd, how can i install to hd?
<Fackamato> dweaver: before me too, I'm -86 :-)
<hypa7ia> Chamkila_: nope, gotta grab the install cd :-)
<jsgotangco> Chamkila_: download the install cd
<Fackamato> but I've played it in some arcades
<Chamkila_> oh lmao. forgot about that, stupid me.
<Yomic> WhiteRabbit: There are no other choices.
<Zugot> amd64 ubuntu is noticeably faster...
<Zugot> i'm loving this
<Chamkila_> i was thinking too much knoppix
<dts> dweaver, did you download tp from the website?
<Chamkila_> knoppix sucks on my computer, ubuntu runs fast as hell and it's stable
<dweaver> Fackamato:  I just feel older and older.
<dts> for some reason firefox doesn't start downloading whenever i download files
<dts> i select where to save it and then nothing happens
<hypa7ia> Chamkila_: some computers run gnome better and some kde is better, in my experience anyway :-)
<dts> it doesn't save, no error message nothing
<Chamkila_> jsgotangco: hey, when it is installed, where do i get the information bar thing on my desktop that tells me my cpu power, ram, etc?
<dweaver> dts: yes, just answer ther questions and download.  the install was painless and worked flawlessly for me on Ubuntu and Mepis.
<jsgotangco> Chamkia_: they're just add-ons to gnome and can be easily added to the panel if you want
<Fackamato> dweaver: Sorry. :-)
<dweaver> Fackamato: '86 I was a Junior in college.
<Fackamato> Hehe
<jsgotangco> Chamkila_: you just right click and select add to panel
<dts> dweaver, cool
<WhiteRabbit> Yomic, http://www.xs4all.nl/~pastolk/ The driver will probably also work with the Lexmark X83, but this device is not recognised by the linux kernel.
<phatcat> hypa7ia, i have an ip address
<helio7> Hello esteemed Ubuntu folk!  I need help again re-gaining Access to my X-server I'm using Irssi for the first time here, last time this happened on a different machine it was something about my nvidia module not being updated and I had to dpkg reconfgure the nvidia modules does anyone know what I mean?
<hypa7ia> phatcat: on dsl?
<dweaver> Fackamato:  Your not from central Ohio are you?
<phatcat> yes
<hypa7ia> phatcat: can you ping the router?
<dts> has anyone else had problems downloading with firefox?
<hypa7ia> usually 192.168.0.1
<phatcat> hold on it's booting
<hypa7ia> righteo
<Fackamato> dweaver: Hah, no, I'm from Sweden :-)
<phatcat> i'll let you know in 45 minutes
<phatcat> lol
<dweaver> dts:I haven't had any problems getting the latest from synaptic but haven't tried a direct download.
<atho> how's Ubuntu MOL support?
<dts> no, dweaver whenever i try to download any kind of file with mozilla it doesn't work, i have no clue why
<helio7> crimsun: You helped me last time with an issue like the one I'm having now with losing X on an nvidia machine (Warty) and having to modprobe or update dpkg-reconfigure nvidia something or other; I'm at a loss
<dweaver> Fackamato: OK, just checking.  I was in Denmark and Norway in '86 but not Sweden.  I am Swedish by decent though! :)
<hypa7ia> phatcat: when you get booted, make sure it can see the router
<phatcat> i'm sure it can
<phatcat> well see here's the thing
<phatcat> it's a shared IP address with my mac
<helio7> I left my machine on this morning actually, and when I came back after work it was off, with no X-server; How do I reconfigure the nvidia modules please?
<Chamkila_> hey.. i have data on my hard drive, that i dont want to delete, hd = 20, like about maybe 2-3 gig of data..will the install cd take care of partitiong it properly with data on
<hypa7ia> phatcat: as in behind a trouter?
<dweaver> dts:  did I misunderstand? I thought you were downloading Firefox itself.  If you are having problems downloading through Firefox then I can't help.
<phatcat> as in behind OS X
<hypa7ia> Chamkila_: the installer can't resize partitions, which i think is what you're trying to do
<crimsun> helio7: err?
<Chamkila_> hypa7ia:  not resize, just "worK" with what it has without erasing whole disk
<hde> Chamkila_: Use parted then install.
<crimsun> helio7: what's the problem, again?
<Chamkila_> how hde
<hypa7ia> well, there needs to be extra unpartitioned space on the hdd, is there?
<hypa7ia> i just typed trouter
<hde> Chamkila_: Well use a parted boot disk, manipulate the paritions, reboot, install.
<helio7> crimsun: I just came home after leaving my Ubuntu.isos seeding on the bittorrent network while I was at work, got home and screen is black, got an X-server problem: loading nvidia module, no screens found... i didn't change anything as far as I know
<hypa7ia> that is very entertaining for some reason.
<fangorious> can anyone running an up to date hoary check their boot logs for "DSDT" (case insensitive)?
<crimsun> helio7: lsmod|grep ^nvidia
<helio7> crimsun: i ran sudo apt-get update and upgrade just now to make sure everything is up-to-date and it is;
<hypa7ia> fangorious: on an asus m6n perchance?
<fangorious> hypa7ia: doesn't matter. I submitted a enhancement request against warty to integrate the DSDT-in-initrd image kernel patch. last I remember the bug was updated to say it had been added
<helio7> crimsun: nvidia_agp         7772 1
<dweaver> OK, more action now.  Has anybody been able to sync a pocketpc or nomad zen?
<ejlozon> what is the best way to set up cups remotely?
<ewhitten> for some reason, it seems like disabling DMA on my primary hard drive stopped my system from freezing (at least for the past hour and a half since I did it).  Does this sound strange to anyone?
<hypa7ia> fangorious: neat stuff, was just curious as the m6n's have buggy dsdt's
* sabmoc is back (gone 05:31:20)
<fangorious> hypa7ia: so does my dell inspiron 2600, hence the request. :)
* hypa7ia nods
<Chamkila_> hey the "information" panel thing imtalking about is in FreesBie LiveCD
<dweaver> sabmoc:  nice to see you again
<Chamkila_> its not something u can just put on the panel
<crimsun> helio7: you're running warty?
<helio7> crimsun: yes
<fangorious> warty had some serious problems with k3b (the whole root permission to burn thing) can anyone comment on whether that's been dealt with sensibly in hoary?
<ice_1963> lol
<helio7> crimsun: but willing to upgrade, I have other machines at my school running hoary
<hypa7ia> haven't tried runnign k3b on hoary yet
<hypa7ia> oh man.  printing on the latest hoary is kinda pooched
<ice_1963> you can run it and not be root
<sabmoc> hi dweaver
<dweaver> hypa7ia:  I'm on Hoary and am printing OK
<fangorious> ice_1963, was that directed at me?
<crimsun> ls
<crimsun> err, sorry
<ice_1963> ok
<Fackamato> <dweaver> Fackamato: OK, just checking.  I was in Denmark and Norway in '86 but not Sweden.  I am Swedish by decent though! :) <- What does "by decent" mean?
<hypa7ia> dweaver: does system -> admin -> printing work for you?
<ewhitten> bash: err,sorry: command not found
<fangorious> ice_1963, as in run k3b not as root?
<dabi> how can i add fonts in console?
<ice_1963> not root
<dts> dweaver, so i installed it and even with the lowest resolution it still puts the logo on it
<black_Nightmare> hmm...this is too strange..have many unhoused people in lincity but there's like *** lot of empty 100-people houses :|
<black_Nightmare> why aren't these people seeing these empty houses..blah
<ice_1963> im runing it right now lol
<crimsun> helio7: please paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin.ca
<bmadonna> hello
<dweaver> Fackamato:  you shouldn't question your elders!  I meant descent, as in my ancestors are from Sweden.
<fangorious> ice_1963, did you have to add yourself to a special group, or run it with gksudo, or anything like thta?
<hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: i've asked that myself of toronto.  especially when it gets to be -30C
<bmadonna> does anyone know why ubuntu can't pick up my cdrom drive when I try to isntall it
<helio7> crimsun: I have trouble pasting to pastebin from the commandline; could I ftp them to a public_html folder on my webspace and pass you the url?
<crimsun> helio7: paste them to me in priv msg then
<dweaver> Let me try printing again.  I have switched from Mepis -> Ubuntu and back twice in the last week and I might be remembering Mepis.
<|QuaD-> dweaver: memphis? why memphis
<helio7> crimsun: how do I private message in irssi =P ?
<|QuaD-> helio7: /msg nick msg
<ubuntugrey> lba mode
<bmadonna> its on
<bmadonna> what else should I try
<helio7> |QuaD-: thanks how do I copy a file to the clipboard or could I /msg nick /path/to/file ?
<bmadonna> is there a way to isntall ubuntu from a ftp site
<|QuaD-> helio7: i don't understand the question
<|QuaD-> bmadonna: as in a netinstall? or you want the iso from an ftp site?
<phatcat> ok, pinging the router works
<hypa7ia> dweaver: yeah, it seems pretty pooched from here
<hypa7ia> phatcat: what about the mac?
<bmadonna> ya netinstall
<dweaver> Mepis.  Because that is the distro I started with last week.  I then heard about Ubuntu so I tried it.  After upgrading I lost sound and couldn't get it back so I went back to Mepis.  I am now back here because I liked it better.  prety soon I'll have to decide.
<bmadonna> I would prefer my cdrom to work
<|QuaD-> bmadonna: not sure
<helio7> |QuaD-: i'm trying to PM crimsun my /var/log/error file in irssi so um, I don't know how to cut and paste in commandline (I have no X server atm)
<hypa7ia> actually, better ask someone who knows more about networking... btu i think the mac is maybe not giving out dhcp?
<crimsun> helio7: paste in the new window
<|QuaD-> helio7: chances are you can't c/p in commandline
<phatcat> the mac is fine, i can use it
<phatcat> i'm trying firefox under ubuntu
<dweaver> hypa7ia:  I just got done rebuilding and this chat is the first thing I have done on this go round.  I will download tp and let you know, stay tuned.
<helio7> crimsun: paste in commandline?
<crimsun> helio7: I just told you what to do
<hypa7ia> dweaver: tp?
<crimsun> helio7: in the msg
<Chamkila_> hey cant i change the themes and stuff in livecd? change the brown one
<dweaver> hypa7ia: turboprint? am I mixing my threads?
<helio7> help
<maxchee> okay, this is a crazy idea. but if apt has a bittorrent backend, then it would be much more scalable
<helio7> oops I was asking irssi for help scrolling up
<hypa7ia> dweaver: yup, i can't get the gnome printing thingo to work :-)
<maxchee> I think it's fair to say that setting up a repository is very costly
<hypa7ia> maxchee: yes :-/
<helio7> crimsun: can you please read the log at http://heliolith.com/ubuntu/XFree86.0.log ? I'm sorry I couldn't get what you said about PMing and pasting in the new window
<maxchee> hypa7ia: is there any plans to do so? also what's wrong iwth your printing?
<Chamkila_> hey cant i change the themes and stuff in livecd? change the brown one
<maxchee> Chamkila_: hoary?
<dweaver> hypa7ia: downloading now.
<Chamkila_> maxchee:  how do u?
<hypa7ia> maxchee: hoary gnome printing app won't load.  and the openoffice printer configger thing has been removed, looks like
<dts> dweaver, so did you have luck printing w/o the logo?
<maxchee> Chamkila_: system/preferences/theme
<maxchee> hypa7ia: did you remove some gnome packages?
<dweaver> dts:  I just downloaded, see my responce to hypa7ia.  I'll post in a minute.
<Chamkila_> maxchee:  how do i get to preferences?
<hypa7ia> maxchee: nope, just dist-upgraded
<maxchee> Chamkila_: can you see the system menu on the top panel?
<maxchee> hypa7ia: you can't get to system/administration/printing?
<hypa7ia> maxchee: it starts, then nothing happens, then a few minutes later i get a broken error window
<maxchee> hypa7ia: what does it say?
<hypa7ia> nothing, jsut error.  have to force-close it
<maxchee> Chamkila_: beside the places menu
<crimsun> helio7: ?
<Chamkila_> maxchee:  found it, wahts a site to get more?
<helio7> crimsun: what?  I passed you a link and was waiting on your response... did I miss something?  http://heliolith.com/ubuntu/XFree86.0.log
<maxchee> Chamkila_: art.gnome.org
<crimsun> helio7: I asked you something in priv msg
<JohnnyNuke> hello all
<ice_1963> johnny be good
<crimsun> helio7: I'm awaiting _your_ response
<crimsun> helio7: I've already read your log file
<maxchee> hypa7ia: might have something to do with cups
<helio7> crimsun: forgive my inability to read private messages; I've never used irssi before now
<jnoon> im trying to add the extra repos as suggested on ubuntuguide, but im getting GPG errors. how do i add the key?
<helio7> anyone know how to toggle between main and private screens in irssi? is there such a feature?
<crimsun> helio7: is there a highlighted number?
<crimsun> helio7: press alt+#
<hypa7ia> maxchee: yeah, i got at one point a cups error
<JohnnyNuke> I have a question, and I looked through the wiki and didn't find what I was looking for... I need some sort of boot floppy, I have an older system I'd like to boot into the livecd that doesnt have an ATAPI cdrom. I'd like to have a floppy. How do I go about doing this? The one article I found on it didn't seem like the right thing...
<Chamkila_> maxchee:  theres only one? http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/
<Yomic> It just said something was wrong with GTK(+?) when I was trying to install that driver thing
<Yomic> driver for the printer*
<Yomic> Sorry for vagueness <_>
<maxchee> Chamkila_: metacity is the default window manager for gnome
<maxchee> hypa7ia: www.cups.org provide some manuals
<Yomic> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
<Yomic> configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
<SeeleyUSMC> 289 available updates being downloaded lol
<maxchee> hypa7ia: also try killall cupsd
<DonL> I have to jump in here. After months of trying to hook up to a printer attached to an XP box on my home network, I finally bought a used HP and hooked it up directly to my Linux box. Set itself up perfectly. I'm a happy camper.
<crimsun> Yomic: either libgtk1.2-dev or libgtk2.0-dev
<Yomic> So what should I do?
<Yomic> apt-get them?
<crimsun> Yomic: depends which version of gtk+ the ./configure script is looking for
<Yomic> Oh, it's 2.0.0
<crimsun> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
<black_Nightmare> say any of you from canada? :p
<DonL> black_Nightmare, me
<ice_1963> nop
<neighborlee> black_Nightmare, washington state here ;-)
<dweaver> hypa71a & dts: I'll be back, rebooting and testing TP.
<SeeleyUSMC> Where can I find a list of current packages in Hoary?
<black_Nightmare> donl...which province?
<ice_1963> mich here
<Yomic> Thanks, crimsun
<dts> dweaver rebooting, for what is this windows?
<crimsun> Yomic: np
<neighborlee> ice_1963, sweet,,,I vacationed there and LOVED it
<DonL> black_Nightmare, BC
<neighborlee> ice_1963, where bouts
<neighborlee> ice_1963, near seattle here
<black_Nightmare> donl - doh other side of canada from me LOL
<black_Nightmare> east ontario here unless you want to get technical
<neighborlee> :)
<DonL> I'm right off the mainland here.
<flamtripl3t> bc here.
<DonL> On the mainland, flamtripl3t ?
<flamtripl3t> van. isle.
<DonL> me too
<flamtripl3t> heh. nanaimo?
<dts> how do i edit the applications menu
<DonL> no, parksville
<hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: torontonia over here :-)
<flamtripl3t> DonL, nice.
<SeeleyUSMC> neighborlee, where near Seattle?  I'm from Kent, WA.
<hypa7ia> lots of canadians on this chan!
<DonL> haha
<DonL> hypa7ia, seems like it
<black_Nightmare> hypa..you mean toronto :p
<black_Nightmare> lol
<hypa7ia> hehe of course :-)
<neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, kewl man
<neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, i'm out in snoqualmie ;)
<neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, not far from the famous falls ;-)
<elhinto5000> UBUNTU US GTE VBIOU BEST@
<DonL> neighborlee, is that in the Cascades?
<black_Nightmare> hypa...you been to computer stores in toronto?  just curious
<Bandit> toronto? where is that?
<neighborlee> DonL, yes
<black_Nightmare> bandit...south 'tip' of ontario.....northeast of detriot
<DonL> I've ridden motorcycles through there. Beautiful
<SeeleyUSMC> neighborlee, Been there on more than a few occasions :).  Now I'm stuck in Twentynine Palms, CA ... middle of the desert ... thanks Marine Corps :) lol
<neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, ahhhh ;-)))
<Bandit> black_Nightmare i see
<black_Nightmare> middle of nowwhere you mean seeley :))
<black_Nightmare> :p
<geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  could be iraq
<SeeleyUSMC> geneo93, It will be in a few months :)
<hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: they know me by name (okay, by laptop :-) ) at canada computers
<Bandit> black_Nightmare so your from toronto?
<neighborlee> SeeleyUSMC, yeah its nice out here...someday I want to visit CA cause in part my favorite singer , karen carpenter was from there and is buried there ..
<geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  i was a jarhead namn days
<neighborlee> now that everyone knows my taste in music <G>
<neighborlee> heh
<SeeleyUSMC> geneo93, really?
<geneo93> yup all behind me now
<hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: no, he seems to be from south of here, are you from TO?
<hypa7ia> err
<dweaver> dts: you still there?
<hypa7ia> that was directed at Bandit :-)
<black_Nightmare> hypa...nope...close to ottawa ;)
<DonL> I used to be from close to Ottawa
<SeeleyUSMC> geneo93, Have you ever been to http://www.leatherneck.com ?  Its a really cool site for current and former Marines to talk with eachother and share stories, etc.
<SiRrUs> i used to be from ottawa
<JohnnyNuke> hey, can I have some help for a second?
<DonL> I lived in Ottawa too
<hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: cool, i hail from ottawa!
<DonL> I enjoyed the Glebe in it's heyday
<geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  i have a few friends here local i see once in a while
<dweaver> hypa7ia: how about you, I tried to install TurboPrint am have a question.
<hypa7ia> DonL: i grew up in the glebe :-)
<DarthFrog> JohnnyNuke: Answers are $1.  Correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free. :-)
<dweaver> geneo93:  good to see you again!
<hypa7ia> whois DonL
<hypa7ia> oops :-)
<JohnnyNuke> nevermind... just found out the article doesnt work...
<DonL> I used to live on the street right next to the Civic Centre
<DarthFrog> JohnnyNuke: You saved $1. :-)
<black_Nightmare> hypa :p so..do you know any computer stores in toronto or what? :)
<geneo93> dweaver:  hey my memory aint good but i remember the nick
<JohnnyNuke> bah... all I want is a boot disk...
<hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: yup, canada computers, factory direct, filtech, sonnam, ota :-)
<DonL> hypa7ia, I remember... Holmwood
<dweaver> geneo93:  you are fron northern OH, right?
<Amaranth> where are the .desktop files that are on panel located?
<geneo93> north west ohio
<dweaver> just checking my memory.
<hypa7ia> DonL: remember the numbered avenues?
<hypa7ia> DonL: i grew up on 4th :-)
<geneo93> dweaver:  cinci
<DonL> Sort of. I've been on the left coast for a long time
<dweaver> geneo93: just north
<hypa7ia> ahh, cool... whereabouts?
<geneo93> k got ya then
<DonL> hypa7ia, came here when I was 23, liked it and stayed
<black_Nightmare> hmmm hypa...I never heard of these...do you perhaps mind dropping me any known toronto store website links to me? (in PM if you want)
<geneo93> brb need a beer
<hypa7ia> black_Nightmare: i'll pm so as to not flood the channel :-)
<black_Nightmare> might be interesting to see more stores to compare with for mail order [and I *** hate newegg..they have no-canada-shipping policy!] 
<black_Nightmare> hypa..har ok...go ahead then ;)
<DonL> I'm off for now, see you later. Thanks for the cht
<DonL> chat
<hypa7ia> boo newegg!  it's all about the college street computer alley :-)
<hypa7ia> laters DonL !
<regeya> hahaha
* regeya just ordered something from newegg
<dweaver> need a beer?  does that ever need an answer?
<black_Nightmare> LOL dweaver :p
<regeya> beeeeeeeer
<black_Nightmare> my answer is: NO
<black_Nightmare> :)
* regeya forgot to pick up beer on the way home :-/
<atho> GRRRR
<dweaver> beer on draft means never forgetting to pick it up on the way home.:)
<atho> im starting to get mad at my mac.
<regeya> why?
<atho> Ubuntu is giving me a hard time
<atho> Hoary freezes at bootup
<regeya> well don't get mad at your mac for something ubuntu's doing ;-)
<regeya> what sort of mac?
<atho> ;) I didn't want to dare degrade Ubuntu in this channel
<atho> g3 B&W
<regeya> oh dinnae lad
<atho> I'm only 15
<atrus> ubuntu hoary: there's a long delay on boot at which the system prints "Mounting remote filesystems." The only remote filesystems i've got are two NFS mounts, which mount very quickly under debian sid. they do mount eventually on hoary, just takes its time. Suggestions?
<atho> Needless to say, I'm relatively poor and can't work ;)
<geneo93> atrus catsup
<atho> At least I'm not spoiled with a G5
<atrus> geneo93: uhm.. no thanks, i just ate.
<SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know if there is an Apache 1.3.x for Ubuntu?
<atho> Like some other kids I've met on linux-related channels
<atrus> geneo93: unless you meant something i missed. :)
<regeya> atho: at the office I work at, the newest machine is a first-edition eMac.
<atho> Nice.
<atho> :P
<geneo93> atrus is a bot on beshare
<regeya> a b&w g3 should run acceptably well...provided you have plenty of ram
<atho> I SHOULD have 704.
<atho> But both of my 64 meg sticks are a little flakey.
<atho> So 6 something.
<regeya> I've been thinking of picking up a G3 blue-n-white
<geneo93> now my nautilus fails
<atho> They're fun.
<atho> I'd go for a g4
<atrus> geneo93: out demon! <sprinkles with holy water> the power if christ compels you!
<regeya> I found a place that has 'em for around $300
<regeya> or was it $200
<SeeleyUSMC> regeya, WHERE?
<atho> i paid about that for mine
<regeya> no way
<atho> www.macsensai.com
<atho> call them up
<atho> they custom build them
<regeya> not sharing SeeleyUSMC :-) you schmucks will get 'em before I get the cash
* regeya just had to buy a monitor, this one's going out, can't buy any more stuff for a while! :-(
<atho> they're located near Philly, PA
<SeeleyUSMC> regeya, I have to wait for my tax return on the 5th of April :)
<SeeleyUSMC> atho, that link didn't work
<regeya> heh SeeleyUSMC
<atho> oops
<atho> Rusty Japanese.
<atho> www.macsensei.com
<atho> Beware, the base systems are pretty shitty
<atho> id personally find a g4 cube + monitor deal on ebay
<atho> or g3 ibook dealie
<robertj_> regeya: I'd pay $100 for a B&W
<robertj_> atho: I have a g3 ibook
<atho> send it to me
<atho> :D
<Yomic> Why the heck is it not letting me change/addnew/copy to/anything to my folders in /*
<atho> I'm poor!
<robertj_> I've already had to send mine in for the logic board replacement
<Yomic> Except for ~/ that is
<regeya> I believe the one I found was a refurb, but I know what you're saying robertj_
<robertj_> those things are bad news
<bn`> there seems to be a problem with qemu in hoary... with that version (the newest) dhcp in the guest-system doesn't work... i downloaded the binaries from qemu.org and replaced the old and finally it works - after some days trying with the version in hoary
<atho> Ahhhhhh
<robertj_> The mini is so much a better deal than any used mac
<atho> Robert....
<atho> G4 cube?
<Roey> ok
<Roey> another question
<Roey> why did ubuntu install EVMS on my machine?
<robertj_> atho: no the mac mini
<Roey> how do I get rid of it without redoing my partitions???
<alakdan> anyone from hawaii?
<atho> You can get a cinema, cube, decent about of RAM for a little overr $500
<atho> I know
<regeya> everyone I know with g3 ibooks have good luck with 'em...and I hear horror stories all over the place.  guess it's hit-or-miss.
<atho> The cube holds a good fight though
<robertj_> Cinema display for < $500?
* regeya dislikes his own grammar
<SeeleyUSMC> atho, I'm not seeing anything cheaper than regular there
<atho> Robert, maybe the g3-era displays, but i swear ive seen them
<regeya> SeeleyUSMC: lowendmac often has links to good deals
<dweaver> alakdan: in my dreams, but I guess that doesn't count.
<Yomic> How can I gain access to the writting of all my folders (~/ is writtable already, nothing else is except from terminal)
<Yomic> (ANd sudo)
<Roey> regeya:  it's good though that you're not one of those misguided folks who right grammar 'grammer'
<atho> I've seen a dual G4 cube on ebay before, monitor, etc, for around $600
<atho> That was a raaare find.
<regeya> Roey!
<regeya> did you do that on purpose? :-)
<alakdan> dweaver: lol :) I just need to test some toll free number
<dweaver> alakdan:  so I take it you are not here either and just checking the call
<Roey> regeya:  what, the grammER thing?
<Roey> regeya:  or the evms thing?
<Roey> regeya:  I *didn't* want EVMS installed.
<Roey> arg
<regeya> Roey it's "write" not "right"
<alakdan> dweaver: yep
<Roey> regeya:   =)
<atho> so guys
<Roey> regeya:  its not it's, whose not who's, definitely not definately.
<atho> does aqnyone know how to fix the hanging at hoary startup?
<alakdan> dweaver: can access the toll free from new york (i asked a friend to test it) but can not from hawaii
<Roey> regeya:  to Slashdot folks:  ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKERS, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
<regeya> hehehe
<atho> my install hangs at starting the something-or-other subsystem
<atho> hotplug subsystem
<Yomic>  I'm sorry for my pestering but my dad is in a stupor of rage.
<Yomic>  I just don't want to be a by-product of his rage issues soon.
<atho> oo
<dweaver> alakdan: Well that sucks, I was hoping you could tell me about the palms and sand.  I'll go back to my virtual Margaritaville.:)
<robertj_> I'm feeling whiny today
<atho> ok
<alakdan> dweaver: lol
<atho> better question
<robertj_> I've went as far as to record all my gnome-whining in swf format
<atho> how do i pass options to the kernel at boot???
<PZoned> atho: configure grub
<hypa7ia> atho: edit /boot/grub/menu.1st
<atho> I'm using yaboot.
<atho> And I can't even boot the system.
<Fackamato> np: Wayne Wade - Lady.mp3
<Fackamato> \o/
<atho> Hangs at starting the hotplug subsystem.
<robertj_> http://www.music.uga.edu/WIP/ <-- there for you complaining enjoyment
<robertj_> first gripe complete, second gripe done in 1.15 minutes
<atho> any ideas?
<Roey> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
<Roey>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'
<Roey> Fatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD02
<Roey> when I run lilo
<Roey> what is this about??
<Yomic> When I try to cp a folder to /usr/local/share/ I get the following message?:
<Yomic> cp: omitting directory `drv_z42'
<hypa7ia> robertj_: that is so cool, how do you do that?
<rnewson> The warning seems ignorable, I've seen it before and it's not been a problem for me.
<rnewson> the fatal thing sounds worse ;)
<Yomic> root@Tommy:/home/tommy # cp drv_z42 /usr/local/share/z42tool/
<geneo93> was there an update to 2.6.10-5-686-smp i all ready have it installed and its updating it again
<rnewson> Maybe /dev/evms/hdb1 isn't flagged as bootable?
<robertj_> hypa7ia: vnc2swf
<rnewson> Has anyone successfully added the ubuntu-calendar stuff ?
<hypa7ia> robertj_: neato!
<JohnnyNuke> can anyone please help me, I just need a book disk for floppy
<atho> fucking shit ram
<JohnnyNuke> I can't find a single freaking thing about making the disk that works
<geneo93> i'm gone
<Lightboy> can someone tell me how to get to the firewall please
<mastergoon> where do i look to find mplayer on ubuntu?
<rnewson> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty/view?searchterm=marillat
<mastergoon> thanks
<dweaver> can someone tell me how to mount a samba drive at bootup?
<rnewson> do you know how to edit your /etc/fstab?
<rnewson> you should be able to set it up in there 'smbfs' for the first and third entry.
<dweaver> yes, I just need the correct syntax
<rnewson> what have you got so far? :)
<robertj_> is speed ok on that server?
<robertj_> (btw 1.5 minutes left before gripe_3.swf is up ;)
<dweaver> actually, I just rebuild my machine and don't have what I use before.
<rnewson> Ah. I can't quite figure out where the share names goes but "smbfs /mntpoint smbfs defaults,uid=name 0 1" is close.
<rnewson> Are you sure the server will always be up when you boot btw?
<rnewson> you really don't want to hang trying to connect.
<dweaver> man, that last entry didn't even sound like english was my first language. :(
<rnewson> I'd personally configure it "0 0" and mount it when I needed it.
<rnewson> Ah, sorry, I'll try again.
<dweaver> rnewson:I was talking about my english not yours, hope you didn't think I was talking about you.
<rnewson> I did, but you corrected me, thanks. :)
<zerovertex> I was in the middle of an apt-get dist-upgrade and my machine locked up, and now firefox is broken. apt-get told me to run dpkg --configure -a and it gave some errors about ubuntu-desktop, firefox firefox-gnome-support, and yelp
<Roey> can anyone here help me out?
<Roey> I run 'lilo' and get the following:  Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
<Roey>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'
<Roey> Fatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD02
<foznot> i can't get VLC to play sound consistently on a dvd in ubuntu hoary...any suggestions? using esd sound
<dweaver> rnewson: thanks for your info.
<zerovertex> This looks like the original problem, here's the error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox.postinst: line 15: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found
<dweaver> rnewson: Found my first problem,  after installing, Samba is not there by default.  Think that could be a problem? :)
<Fackamato> sudo apt-get install smbfs
<HIghoS> Ow.  It does not like ATI Rage Pro's, eh.
<dweaver> Fackamato: thanks, I'm ahead of you.
<Fackamato> P;
<daniels> HIghoS: should work fine
<dweaver> Fackamato:  I thought you left
<vs_zach> hey
<HIghoS> daniels: Freezing :/
<DaSkreech> Does Ubuntu have a screen fine tune?
<vs_zach> ...i am thinking about installing ubuntu
<vs_zach> but i heard that it has some font problems
<Fackamato> dweaver: nah, just restarted gdm
<cuga> Hey, i just install samba, and in the smb.conf file i enabled so that it only uses local accounts for authentication, but I still can't authenticate to a share i created from a windows box, is there a step i missed?
<Fackamato> vs_zach: font problems? :)
<HIghoS> daniels: You going to OLS again this year? :)
<Fackamato> dweaver: I played some Tekken in zinc :)
<DaSkreech> vs_zach: Great :-)
<Fackamato> http://forum.tehjunkyard.net/index.php?s=5af64cb1a25fdaff347f4e55f3f60a22&showtopic=21
<vs_zach> does it have font problems?
<DaSkreech> vs_zach: Try the next step it's just as easy
<vs_zach> what?
<dweaver> Fackamato: Tekken, did your parents tell you about that or do they teach that in history class in Sweden?
<Fackamato> dweaver: I have older friends ;p
<zerovertex> How can I force apt to redownload and retry a previously failed install??
<[koji] > will the final release of hoary be using the same repo?
<dweaver> Fackamato: Apparently. ;)
<Fackamato> :P
<Fackamato> np: Iron Maiden - The Trooper.mp3
<Fackamato> \o/
<Fackamato> dweaver: Have you ever had an Amiga ?
<DaSkreech> Does Ubuntu have a screen fine tune?
<rnewson> apt-get --reinstall <packagename> ?
<dweaver> Fackamato: No, bypassed Amiga.  Went from Atari to 486.
<|QuaD-> any developers want to tell me where ifolder is, in regards to being available for breezy?
<Fackamato> dweaver: :/
<Fackamato> DaSkreech: What is that?
<sander__> dweaver, atari 8 bit or st?
<DaSkreech> Fackamato: A program that would stop the display from running off the monitor
<dweaver> Fackmato: Iron Maden?  is this what the youth are listening to in Sweden?
<SiRrUs> :)
<dweaver> sander_: uhm, atari 2600
<vs_zach> does ubuntu have font problems?
<vs_zach> noone will answer me
<SiRrUs> vs_zach mine doesnt
<hypa7ia> dweaver: metal never died in Quebec, let me tell ya
<DaSkreech> vs_zach: What type of Font problems?
<atho> OK
<vs_zach> i dont know
<atho> i took out all of my PCI cards
<atho> lets see the install now
<daniels> HIghoS: with any luck
<vs_zach> someone told me they installed and all the fonts were screwed up
<dweaver> hypa7ia:It never lived with me!
<cuga> someone <> everyone
<vs_zach> >seen Fackamato
<DaSkreech> vs_zach: Your Mileage may vary
<hypa7ia> lol dweaver
<vs_zach> hmm
<DaSkreech> I've installed Ubuntu maybe 20+ times and I've never seen that
<vs_zach> it didnt work
<vs_zach> ok
<HIghoS> daniels: Heh.  Aww, i should go again.  Will never forget KP's talks, after all :D
<vs_zach> ill go install...
<vs_zach> heheh
<DaSkreech> And if you can't read anythign come back here and we'll type... um .. answers... um .... never mind :)
<Fackamato> dweaver: yup, all about maiden ;)
<Fackamato> np: Iron Maiden - Revelations.mp3
<vs_zach> ...can i install stuff using apt-get with the same mirrors as debian
<serbo> is ubuntu suport dvb cards
<Fackamato> serbo: yes
<Fackamato> vs_zach: not recommended, but probably works
<WildTangn> ive had no problems with ubuntus repositories
<Fackamato> dweaver: So what do the older people in Ohio listen to? ;P
<DaSkreech> vs_zach: Yes but to quote the website. Why?
<WildTangn> damn my name got shortened
<dweaver> OK, someone help me.  I have a samba drive that I can see in Places-->Network servers.  How do I map it so that I can see it from Evolution?
<serbo> Fackamato: this the card im talking about DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite
<Fackamato> serbo: http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/
<Fackamato> fly, on your wings, like an eagle, fly as high, as the sun, on your wings, like an eagle, fly, touch the sun
<serbo> Fackamato: thanks
<Wild> anyone here know of a free FTP server program and a DNS updater?
<dweaver> Fackamato: I don't know about the older people, but this middle aged person dreams of palm trees and tropical drinks while listening to Jimmy Buffett and any other tropical musicians
<serbo> when i use the patch did i need to recompile the kernel after
<vs_zach> DaSkreech: what do u mean
<vs_zach> to quote the sire
<vs_zach> site
<Fackamato> dweaver: :P
<Fackamato> Wild: proftpd
<Wild> ill check that one out, but first i must deal with my ISP
<Wild> the blocked all FTP traffic on my computer
<Wild> "innappropriate use of their network"
<kakalto> wow
<kakalto> I thought that this was an active room
<dweaver> kakalto: it runs hot and cold
<Wild> anyone heard of the "blotto box" im thinking of doing that to my ISPs cable lines
<dweaver> Wild: no, what is it?
<atomsk> woa...hoary rocks :)
<shadowplay> Q: I started using a FrameBuffer console (vga=793), and it's cool but I can't see a cursor
<shadowplay> Xenguy : you use xen with Ubuntu?
<Wild> the blotto box is basically designed to send a MASSIVE electrical shock through phone lines, it should also work on cable
<dweaver> with the reulot of?
<dweaver> make that "with the result of?"
<Wild> its a portable generator spliced to a phone or whatever kind of network cable your trying to fry
<Fackamato> I'm gonna hit the sack, it's 5:20 am here now
<Fackamato> good night
<odie5533> How do you guys organize your files in the home folder?
<atomsk> Q: Does anyone know how to use the "Application Launcher" icon for all executables?
<odie5533> atomsk: yes
<odie5533> just do custom launcher
<Wild> anyway g2g
<atomsk> odie5533: I organize them just like all the files in /. Makes more sense to me but use whatever you like...
<odie5533> You mean ~/?
<dweaver> odie5533:  as an old windows user - My Music, My Pictures My Downloads, etc
<atomsk> odie5533: I like the custom launcher icon...I cant find the actual file so I can swap the ugly purple executable icon...
<odie5533> dweaver: let windows die... ;D
<odie5533> atomsk: Where are you clicking?
<atomsk> odie5533: no..."ls /" but take out all the media, mnt and cdrom stuff...
<stuNNed> f*cking power management on this laptop is the suck oh well
<atomsk> ugh
<atomsk> that sounds odd
<dweaver> odie5533: I'm killing it as fat as I can at home.  Can't do much about it at work since I am a .net developer.
<atomsk> dont remove anything in / everyone!
<odie5533> .net eh? wow nice
<odie5533> MCSD?
<atomsk> odie5533: right click on the panel, then add and then you see the custom application launcher icon...I want the name of the file of that icon.
<odie5533> What are you talking about?
<dweaver> odie5533: no MCSD yet, but soon.  At my age I need it to keep up with th youngsters!:)
<odie5533> ah but of course
<shadowplay> Another question: what's supposed to mount /dev/pts?  I have it in /etc/fstab, but it doesnt get mounted on startup.  /etc/mountvirtfs *is* symlinked in rcS.d
<odie5533> How did you learn .NET?
<bretze1> duh!!!!!!!! "const csize& size() const { __s; } " <=== try to debug this when the compiler issue no warning!!!
<dweaver> odie5533: My company made the move from VB6 to C#.  No training, just here is .Net, do it.  I am planning to work with Mono and also learn Python.
<odie5533> Ah... I am actually interested in the best way to go about learning plain C++, not C# .net =/ I wish to program tools and applications... maybe games if I have time
<Chromatron600> I can't make Ubuntu recognize my monitor's capabilities. It won't let me use resolutions other than the ones I set during setup and only allows refreshing at 60Hz. I already tried messing around with it, but all I did was corrupt X and had to reinstall. What do I do?
<atomsk> I'm looking for the application/x-executable icon filename and also the "Custom Application Launcher" icon filename...does anyone happen to know them?
<odie5533> atomsk: I do
<shadowplay> is C# better about garbage collection and rogue pointers than C++?  Curious, because that's one of the things that java ppl criticize about c++
* odie5533 programs java
<odie5533> thats not what they criticize for me ;D
<odie5533> And thats not what I'd say is the prob with it
<bretze1> shadowplay: I think C# has garbage collect..
<odie5533> C++ compared to java has few pre-loaded API libs, forcing you to use third party
<atomsk> odie5533: ...and the filenames would be?
<dweaver> odie5533:  I started with cobol probably before you were born and have worked my way to where I am now.  If I had it all to do all over again I too would learn c/c++.   I would love to do games but am far too old.
<HKSDU> guys are talking about programming in ubuntu channel...lol
<odie5533> atomsk: I still don't know what file it is, so I can't tell you the name
<atomsk> odie5533: ugh...please dont tell me you do know them then :|
<HKSDU> dweaver: c'mon, don't give up, making games nowadays is not that difficult, all SDKs are free to use and many open source resources too
<odie5533> Ok?I use them often, my panel is filled, but I don't know them
<dweaver> HKSDU:  Been here for a while waiting for an answer to my problem.  Might as well be social.
<bretze1> dweaver: and how old are you ? ( in multiple of 10 years ... )
<HKSDU> dweaver: what problem you have again?
<odie5533> dweaver: before I was born pfft doubt it ;D I started DOS at age five, then got... distracted by video games. I now know a sliver of java but the whole syntax, and want to get into c++ and maybe .NET as it is good for windows GUI's or so I hear.
<dweaver> This aoctober i'll be 4 (in multiples of 10)
<odie5533> ok fine before I was born :(
<HKSDU> dweaver: omg, c'mon, 4*10 is not old at all
<bretze1> dweaverL And so for me 10*4 in very soon april :-)
<dweaver> HKSDU: OK, how about you?
<unkwn> anyone know why the hyperlinks colide with the text on sites, example: http://ninjalogic.com/Screenshot.png
<odie5533> Yeah that isn't entirely, but if your job is stable and you have extra time, go for game programing :D
<HKSDU> dweaver: just passed 2*10 + 6
<atomsk> am I the only one having problems renaming files?
<odie5533> omg HKSDU me too!
<dweaver> Then dweaver == old
<odie5533> except the + is a -
<HKSDU> odie5533: AGREE!
<shadowplay> atomsk : renaming what to what?
<HKSDU> odie5533: cool...lol...
<odie5533> ;D
<odie5533> Now I feel like a little kid =/
<HKSDU> odie5533: lol
<atomsk> shadowplay: when you get a nautilus window, right click on a file to change its name...click rename, after a sec or 2 I lose focus...
<bretze1> old=={forget the \"return\" statement in a non void function!, and set the compiler to not warn!!!! that is getting old!!!!
<HKSDU> I started my game programming a year ago, I still haven't got anything out but at least I know how to draw some basic stuff and I started off at the middle of the mountain; I was making a game engine.
<Darfk> hey... gota mac related question for someone...
<Chromatron600> (Sorry to repeat myself, but I no one replied) I can't make Ubuntu recognize my monitor's capabilities. It won't let me use resolutions other than the ones I set during setup and only allows refreshing at 60Hz. I already tried messing around with it, but all I did was corrupt X and had to reinstall. What do I do?
<DarkSMB> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51038&item=5177038622&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
<DarkSMB> that cdrom drive... it has a 50 pin connector on the back of it... what is that?
<Xenguy> shadowplay: heh - that question is becoming more frequent -- I used 'Xen' (the nick) long before 'Xen' (the app) existed :-)  To answer your question, I haven't tried 'Xen' yet ;-)
<Xenguy> ironic eh?
<odie5533> Chromatron600: you try installing the nvidia config files?
<shadowplay> Xenguy heh. ok then.
<HKSDU> so after a year of part time studies, I got my SceneGraph(learned from Java and SGI, re-write the Java 3D API in C++), opengl and directx 3d rendering(lighting, shadow, multi-textures, different kinds of polygons), and more.
<dweaver> since we are on the programming tangent,  what Python experience do we have here?
<Xenguy> shadowplay: but I must say it does look rather cool, and I'll have to play with it someday soon I imagine
<HIghoS> Xenguy: Just say you use UML instead, lol :D
<Chromatron600> odie5533: I installed the nvidia display driver for my GeForce, yes.
<shadowplay> atomsk : mine jumps straight to highlighting the filename
<Xenguy> HIghoS: heheh
<unkwn> i have some python experience, not as much as i'd like though
<Xenguy> HIghoS: or qemu :P
<odie5533> Chromatron600: nvidia-settings <-- I don't know what it is, but it reminds me of windows where you had nvidia tools you could set that in
<HIghoS> Xenguy: rofl.
<odie5533> python seems like the worst language, why not use something else?
<atomsk> shadowplay: yeah me too but after a sec or 2 (faster if i move mouse) It loses highlighting...odd eh?
<kakalto> Odie is a dog.
<odie5533> thx
<unkwn> odie5533:  shows how much you know
<hams2> what package do i apt-get if i want the kernel source and configuration files that were used to buil dmy version of ubuntu?
<HKSDU> odie5533: isn't that you configure your XF86Config-4 file for that refresh rate?
<kakalto> sorry :P
<kakalto> I was reminded of a cartoon series or soething
* Xenguy requests a channel bot to start a language war...
<DarkSMB> anyone have an idea... is it SCSI?
<shadowplay> hams2: config file should be in /boot
<odie5533> I think you can do it through there yes
<odie5533> tell Chromatron600 not me
<dweaver> odie5533: What else? that is what I would like to know? Python,Perl,Mono etc
<hams2> shadowplay, do get the kernel source and copy over that config file and i'm good to go?
<HKSDU> dweaver: you really use some languages borned long time ago...
<dweaver> HKSDU: oh, to be young again
* HIghoS chuckles.
<HKSDU> dweaver: :P, but C/C++ are old too
<odie5533> Old is tried and tested though
<shadowplay> atomsk : yes, strange.  Try making a new user and seeing if it does the same thing.
<unkwn> bigger learning curve, slow development and rollout process
<HKSDU> I, myself, am a big fan of Java...
<Dr_Willis> I like REXX :P
* unkwn laughs in the face of java
<HKSDU> unkwn: you mean c/c++?
<Dr_Willis> since i used it ages ago for a lot of tasks in college.. hehheh.
<HKSDU> unkwn: so what do you use?
<dweaver> Java, sorry, enough MS left in me to wretch at the sound.
<unkwn> well, I'm a web developer by day
<HKSDU> dweaver: MS you mean M$?  but Java is cross platform, so you can do it in linux
<unkwn> php/mysql
<unkwn> python hacker by night
<HKSDU> unkwn: I love php and mysql too, especially mysql
<shadowplay> hams2 : copy the config file to <sourcdir>/.config  then run make oldconfig.  If its the same kernel version you may not need to make oldconfig.
<atomsk> What else than sodipodi to open SVG files?
<dweaver> Dr_Willis sounds like an aged soul like me.  I used REXX on an IBM mainframe back in the day.
<unkwn> atomsk:  inkscape
<odie5533> HKSDU: Java is nice, but the problems it has are not nice =/
<atomsk> unkwn: thanks
<atrus> i've got an sblive, kernel 2.6.11, and ubuntu hoary. snd-emu10k1 etc modules are all loaded, but there's no /dev/snd entries, nor does alsamixer or other sound apps work. what might I be missing?
<HKSDU> odie5533: what problems it has?
<unkwn> should be able to open svg in gimp oo
<odie5533> slow, very, very. very slow
<crimsun> atrus: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
<unkwn> java is good at an enterprise level, but that's about it
<odie5533> I try to stick away from using java programs as much as possible due to their speed, are in this case lack there-of
<crimsun> unkwn: it's also fairly good for easing students into OOP
<dweaver> I am not an M$ kind of person.  I am very pro capitalism and have no problem with Bill making his money.  I just have found a beter way.
<atrus> crimsun: not loaded. successfully blacklisted by alsa-base's hotplug file.
<fangorious> can some running a current install of hoary check dmesg for "DSDT" (case insensitive)
<HKSDU> odie5533: slow because of the developers.  Do a search on google, try to find all statistics.  There are many of them pointing out that Java is slower than C++ no more than 5% in many situations if you optimized for both(do not count swing please, I know it's slow in swing :P)
<crimsun> atrus: lspci -v -> pastebin.ca
<shadowplay> odie5533 : isnt that dependant on the VM also?
<odie5533> you have to count swing
<odie5533> its what most people use
<Dr_Willis> dweaver,  I used mine on my amiga.. sad how some of the great ideas of old OS's get tossed out.
<odie5533> rather than making their own of course
<odie5533> shadowplay: find a fast vm then lol
<atrus> crimsun: allright to get the pci list from my debian sid instead of hoary? (installed on the same machine)
<odie5533> there really arent many, and if there are, I doubt they are cross-compatible with SUN
<crimsun> atrus: certainly
<rnewson> Sun's server VM is pretty snappy, after the warmup.
<rnewson> I think Java can outperform C in a lot of circumstances.
<rnewson> Do any of these chatrooms stay on topic btw? :)
<odie5533> AFTER the warmup....
<HKSDU> odie5533: if you are talking about standalone gui, of course it's slow.  The funny thing is that I guess it is faster to render a 3D menu using Java3D API than drawing with swing.
<odie5533> rnewson: sometimes a bit yes
<JDahl> rnewson, in terms of executions speed, or development time?
<atrus> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/8035
<HKSDU> JDahl: both
<rnewson> JVM's generally are cross-compatible. Sun's usually the slowest btw.
<crimsun> atrus: was hoping for -v
<fangorious> anyone?
<rnewson> JRockit and IBM's one are better, I hear.
<odie5533> HKSDU: I think it is, I play a 3d java game daily, and its quite fast, 50fps and fully 3d, also it loads faster than my standalone java programs
<HKSDU> rnewson: agree, in linux I use blackdown
<rnewson> Java is faster for development, of course, but also for execution because of JIT.
<odie5533> Blackdown fully compatible with Sun?
<JDahl> HKSDU, I am not an expert, but I'm somewhat sceptical that Java is faster than C with a decent compiler
<HKSDU> odie5533: not fully but closely most
<crimsun> fangorious: you mean case-_sensitive_, since "dsdt" will return nothing
<crimsun> fangorious: but yes, two of my machines return something. Why?
<rnewson> well, it makes sense. Runtime is the best time to optimise.
<odie5533> If it isn't compatible with the standard.. =/
<dweaver> sorry all,  wife called and I had to step away.  let me read the log
<atrus> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/8036
<HKSDU> JDahl: agree!  it totally depends on how developers develop their programs.  In Java, since everything is OO, C/C++ programmers sometimes abuse their procedural skills in programming in Java and find it slow.
<rnewson> The new Java VM's will recompile on the fly.
<fangorious> crimsun: i meant `dmesg | grep -i dsdt` as I wasn't sure how it would be printed. I wanted to see if an enhancement I reqeusted in hoary had made it in
<rnewson> Imagine if you could roll/unroll loops based on runtime characteristics?
<crimsun> atrus: and lsmod, too, please
<rnewson> rather than hoping you can guess at compile time.
<crimsun> fangorious: which "enhancement"?
<rnewson> developing in Java is faster, it's a much cleaner language.
<odie5533> Yeah it is
<rnewson> C++ is a hack on the side of C.
<atrus> crimsun: I suppose that one would need to be while running ubuntu?
<odie5533> it also has more 1st party api's...
<fangorious> crimsun: the kernel should be looking in your initrd for a custom DSDT, helps people with laptops with crappy ACPI implementations
<HKSDU> but I do think that Java is getting a lot of mess these days, I have to admit that because of that JCP thingy, too many C/C++ features requested and now Java API is a bit too messy
<crimsun> atrus: yes, if it doesn't affect your Sid install
<fangorious> crimsun: bugzilla #3379
<fangorious> crimsun: thanks, btw
<atrus> i can reboot. i've just got an issue with hoary taking forever to mount nfs shares, so it'll be a few minutes :)
<crimsun> fangorious: if it's still open, it's highly doubtful it made it in
<odie5533> Anyone know how to compile java to native?
<rnewson> The Java API contains lots of deprecated crap, I hate that Sun don't drop those bits.
<rnewson> GCJ for native compile.
<odie5533> how mcuh faster is it?
<rnewson> Although, native compile will not be better performance, maybe it was true in 1995, but it isn't now.
<odie5533> ...
<rnewson> It won't be any faster. but the exe will be larger :)
<HKSDU> rnewson: the problem is that Sun has no direction sometimes, they want to include this and that, the original Java development team was genius
<fangorious> crimsun: says resolved, last comment said dmesg didn't mention dsdt, though, which is why i came here. :)
<odie5533> I like old microsoft java
<odie5533> so much faster =/
<crimsun> fangorious: because you're not using the correct case. It's uppercase, not lowercase.
<dweaver> Sorry, didn't want to start a religious war, lord knows we have to many.
<fangorious> crimsun: the -i flag makes the search case insensitive, so grep -i dsdt would match DSDT
<atomsk> rnewson: using scripts to call a Java program thats what I call a hack :) You can still do very odd things in Java...
<HKSDU> odie5533: no joking man, hate M$
<odie5533> Lol?
<odie5533> they make a mean java
<crimsun> fangorious: it returns results here...
<odie5533> and good video games (at least they find good video games :D)
<odie5533> same thing tho right?
<HKSDU> odie5533: look at .NET and you will see how crappy their products are
<odie5533> .net is genius
<dweaver> After looking at Linux development I thought that Python looked the easiest with the most power.
<HKSDU> odie5533: .NET is a copy of Java, so you are saying Java is genius?
<wm_eddie> dweaver: it pretty much is right now.
<wm_eddie> .net is catching up though.
<wm_eddie> s/.net/mono/
<dweaver> HKSDU: Wait until Mono takes over
<atomsk> dweaver: Python is mostly for scripting/prototyping I believe...
<fangorious> crimsun: thanks for checking.
<HKSDU> dweaver: ;)
<unkwn> atomsk:  bittorrent is written in python ;)
<odie5533> HKSDU: .net > java
<dweaver> atomsk: Plenty of gui possibilities
<JDahl> atomsk, that's not true
<HKSDU> anyway, nice to talk to you guys, I will talk to you all later, have a good night(if yours is daytime now, have a good day)
<atomsk> unkwn: which part? I use Azureus and its written in Java...
<wm_eddie> atomsk: The original bittorrent
<dweaver> HKDSU: good night
<atomsk> JDahl: would you go commercial with Python?
<wm_eddie> atomsk: With AtivePython, you can.
<JDahl> atomsk, yes... whatever gets the most work done with least effort
<rnewson> Python is really solid, certainly good enough for building commercial software.
<rnewson> Fiddly indentation, mind you.
<dweaver> wm_eddie: any Mono experience?
<atomsk> wm_eddie: let me put it this way...would you allow everyone (even your mom) to see the source code for a commercial e-mail program you wrote in Python?
<wm_eddie> dweaver: I've used it a little
<rnewson> Why not?
<wm_eddie> atomsk: uhh you don't have too..
<atomsk> was that directed to me?
<unkwn> atomsk:  what kinda question is that?
<dweaver> wm_eddie: any experience with .Net on MS
<kkathman> good evening all :)
<wm_eddie> atomsk: there is python to .exe programs.
<atomsk> unkwn: Python is good for fiddling and prototyping...its very good at that
<ia1> his mom would probably debug it
<unkwn> atomsk:  python is good for a very wide variety of things
<Roey> hey
<atomsk> unkwn: after fiddling I'd do it in a more involved language though...(its just my opinion)
<wm_eddie> dweaver: Much less than with Mono, but I have used it for a couple of things.
<Roey> ubuntu should have memtest86... it currently does not.  Booo.
<ian__> is a hard freeze a known problem with using ACPI on a laptop that doesn't like it (thinkpad T23)?
<unkwn> Roey:  it does
<crimsun> Roey: you're lying
<unkwn> if you boot and press escape
<unkwn> you can go right into memtest86
<crimsun> Roey: main ships with memtest86+, universe ships with memtest86
<rnewson> My ubuntu install has a memtest86 boot option.
<Roey> unkwn, crimsun what'st he package name? I searched w/ apt-cache search memtest86 and got nothing.
* Roey slams the heathens. Lies, all lies!
<crimsun> Roey: memtest86+ and memtest86, respectively
<wm_eddie> dweaver: For what I usually need, python is better.
<unkwn> memtest86 - A thorough real-mode memory tester
<Roey> 00:00:07 boot apt-get install memtest86
<Roey> Reading Package Lists... Done
<Roey> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<Roey> Package memtest86 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<Roey> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<Roey> is only available from another source
<unkwn> memtest86+ - A thorough real-mode memory tester
<Roey> E: Package memtest86 has no installation candidate
<atomsk> dont get me wrong guys...Python is one of my favorite languages...but for me its mostly ducttape :P
<Roey> crimsun:  see above
<crimsun> Roey: you don't have universe enabled.
<rnewson> It's the posh version of Perl, sure. :)
<wm_eddie> dweaver: But if I was going to make an all out application, I would consider Mono.
<Roey> 00:00:10 boot apt-get install memtest86+
<Roey> Reading Package Lists... Done
<Roey> Building Dependency Tree... Done
<Roey> Package memtest86+ is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<Roey> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
<Roey> is only available from another source
<Roey> E: Package memtest86+ has no installation candidate
<unkwn> Roey:  update your sources.list
<crimsun> Roey: you don't have main enabled.
<kkathman_> atomsk what do you usually use the most?
<Roey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
<Roey> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
<Roey> oh I have universe in there.
<crimsun> Roey: oh no you don't. Try updating.
<atomsk> kkathman_: ducttape languages :P
<Roey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
<Roey> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
<Roey> I have main there too.
<crimsun> Roey: and apt-cache policy memtest86 tells you...?
<kkathman_> atomsk:  ducttape?
<kkathman_> new one on me :)
<dweaver> wm_eddie: I thought it was the right choice, I've already started playing with it.  I have also downloaded Mono to leverage my experience
<Roey> 00:01:44 roey apt-cache policy memtest86
<Roey> memtest86:
<Roey>   Installed: (none)
<Roey>   Candidate: (none)
<Roey>   Version Table:
<Roey> crimsun:  shoudl I take 'restricted' out?
<crimsun> Roey: restricted is necessary
<Roey> kkathman_:  gimme some duct tape, I will kill myself.
<kkathman_> lol
<Roey> kkathman_:  I SPIT ON LINUX!!!!
<Roey> PTOO!!!!
<unkwn> memtest86 is in universe/misc
<atomsk> kkathman_: Perl, Python mostly...havent had the chance to work for more involved development yet...
<unkwn> memtest86+ is in misc
<crimsun> Roey: amd64?
<wm_eddie> dweaver: The only thing keeping me from using it more are how hard it is to get working in Ubuntu.
<kkathman_> im almost exclusively PHP
<atomsk> kkathman_: add companies before yet.
<kkathman_> meh
<Roey> crimsun:  yes
<imcsk8> how can i add xml support for php??
<stuNNed> how to install sun java plugin again? it's been a while :)
<ian__> wm_eddie: hard to get mono working?
<Roey> <unkwn> memtest86+ is in misc
<Roey> unkwn:  ok..
<crimsun> Roey: that's why.
<wm_eddie> ian__: I'm having problems with a couple of programs.
<crimsun> Roey: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_contents.pl?word=memtest86&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=amd64
<unkwn> imcsk8:  sudo apt-get install php4-domxml
<atomsk> kkathman_: PHP is nice...but I got bored of web languages :|
<dweaver> wm_eddie: don't give up.  I dove in head first and reformatted my whole laptop.  I have tried both Mepis and Ubuntu andthink that Linux is the superior OS
<imcsk8> unkwn, i have done that but phpinfo() still shows --disable-xml
<kkathman_> ok, so Im thinking about moving from warty to hoary...anything else I need to do other than change the sources.list and do apt-get clear, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade?
<Roey> god damn.
<kkathman_> atomsk - believe me, I know that feeling
<wm_eddie> dweaver: I'll just wait for Hoary.
<Roey> why is ubuntu so messed up right from the start
<Roey> no memtest86, grub can't boot off raid1...
<crimsun> for what values of "so messed up"?
<atomsk> kkathman_: some people are having problems on the mailing list...I'd wait till april 4th if I were you...
<Roey> smartacl/hddtemp won't work on sata drives..
<Roey> crimsun:  those above.
<dweaver> wm_eddie: That's what I am running
<Roey> crimsun:  and the stupid default to kdm startup
<unkwn> imcsk8:  a2enmod
<shadowplay> stuNNed : I had trouble with 1.5.0_1, and went back to the previous 1.5.0.  Get the package from sun install it, then go to your plugins directory and symlink to /usr/java/jre<version>/plugin/.../libjavaplugin_oji.so
<Roey> crimsun:  at least I could change that last one
<crimsun> Roey: well, you could help fix 'em... And honestly, maybe debian-amd64 is right for you.
<kkathman_> Lol Roey - Ubuntu has been the only distribution I got that finally recognized everything I got :)
<atomsk> kkathman_: but hoary is definitely yummy! :P
<Roey> kkathman_:  :(
<stuNNed> shadowplay: thought  there was a .deb out there for it? or at least used to be
<wm_eddie> dweaver: I ran it for a couple of days, but decided to wait for the release.
<kkathman_> atomsk - okie dokie...I'll wait
<Roey> crimsun:  I need something for which I can use lilo without it spiting errors back in my face.
<kkathman_> its not a prob
<Roey> crimsun:  I run lilo on my sata drive, I get:
<Roey> crimsun:  00:04:48 roey lilo
<Roey> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
<Roey>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hdb1'
<Roey> Fatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD02
<smouche> oh oh kkathman_ -- apt-get clear?  I upgraded warty to hoary, didn't know about the :"apt-get clear"  part -- upgrade seemed ok for me, though...
<dweaver> wm_eddie: no problems this time on my laptop. :0
<crimsun> Roey: does lilo in sid work properly?
<Roey> yes
<Roey> er
<Roey> I don't know
<smouche> should I have used "apt-get clear"? (newbie)
<Roey> crimsun:  I had sid with kernel 2.6.7
<shadowplay> stuNNed : yes, but yous still need to get the package from Sun I think.  The package just has a configuration tool.
<kkathman_> smouche - someone told me that it was always a good thing to do...the clear...that way you start with a good slate
<crimsun> Roey: it'd be great if you could verify if it does{n't}
<kkathman_> hell if I know what that means
<Roey> crimsun:  which was before Jeff Garzick's libata superceded the old ata
<atomsk> unkwn: what are your uses of Python if I may ask?
<Roey> crimsun:  it's the kernel.
<Roey> crimsun:  I am almost sure.
<shadowplay> stuNNed : correction... I might be thinking Debian... hold on a sec
<atomsk> unkwn: I'm always interested to fill my toolbox *grin*
<kkathman_> yanno - one of those things you pick up from someone that you think knows
<smouche> kkathman_, or anyone, what exactly is being "cleared" ?
<Roey> atomsk:  python gives me good dreams at night
<atomsk> lol
<crimsun> Roey: so somewhere between 2.6.7 and 2.6.10, "it" broke?
<dweaver> atomsk: mine are just learning at this point.
<Roey> crimsun:  yes, because the ata code was switched with libata.
<kkathman_> smouche - no clue dude
<crimsun> Roey: have you reported this upstream on lkml and asked for CCs on replies?
<kkathman_> like i said...was suggested by one of those peeps that seemed to know
<smouche> I had hoped that the package updates would magically sort out warty, hoary conflicts -- anyway, maybe I got lucky.
<Roey> crimsun:  jeff garzick figured to re-implement sata using the scsi subsystem
<Roey> crimsun:  consequently all /dev/hdX's turned into /dev/sdX's.
<atomsk> dweaver: wish you luck then...very ncie language
<Roey> crimsun:  not yet, becuase I don't know what I'd ask.
<kkathman_> I dont think clear has anything to do with sync
<crimsun> Roey: tell them your precise situation, and be verbose with details. :)
<Roey> crimsun:  sih
<Roey> *sigh
<Roey> crimsun:  it will end up being specific to my system somehow (somehwo in the blue fuck) and I wont' get anywhere.
<kkathman_> yanno I meant clean..not clear
<kkathman_> dont know why I said clear :)
<dweaver> I plan on developing GDL software in the future.   Any requests?:)
<atomsk> cool they fixed the long loading time problem
<codyman> is there anyway to speedup konquerer's web page browsing speed.. its god awfully slow
<Roey> codyman:  prelink
<shadowplay> stuNNed : AFAIK, you can install packages, but still need to get the actual jvm from a 3rd party.    ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
<codyman> Roey: how
<Roey> codyman:  run prelink on all the binaries
<kkathman_> clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files.
<smouche> the ubuntu web site is done with plone/zope -- that stuff runs on python, right?
<Roey> codyman:  apt-get install prelink
<codyman> Roey: thanks
<kkathman_> thats why I remember it as clear :)
<Roey> codyman:  then prelink the libraries and binaries
<Roey> codyman:  ask in #kde though first
<stuNNed> shadowplay: thanks
<Roey> codyman:  because I don't know why it's not already prelinked... there must be some reason...
<smouche> thanks, kkathman_
<Roey> why doesn't ubuntu prelink kde?
<HostingGeek> because kde sucks?
<kkathman_> smouche - do a man apt-get its all in there
<Roey> HostingGeek:  ah, wrong chan.
<codyman> so prelink -a
<Roey> HostingGeek:  I meant to be in #kubuntu
<Roey> codyman:  ah, ok
<atomsk> smouche: yes...isnt Zope author Python's creator?
<Roey> codyman:  note, I don't knowhow safe this is
<codyman> o
<Roey> smouche:  I don't think so
<smouche> I will, kkathman_
<shadowplay> Does anyone use a framebuffer console (and like it)?
<billytwowilly> anyone seen a turionbased laptop in stores yet?
<smouche> If ubuntu site is plone, it's much nicer than most plone sites I've seen.  The "plone look" gets old.   I tried zope once, found it confusing to use
<bob2> zope is pretty heavyweight
<shadowplay> smouche : what content manager do you like?
<wnaLinux> HELP! Hi guys I just found out that some of my mp3's are MISSING!?!? What do I do
* billytwowilly gets ready to stab smouche in the eye if he says phpnuke
<kkathman_> well Im off night all...ttyl
<atrus> crimsun: okay, http://pastebin.ca/8037 has lsmod and lspci -v
<billytwowilly> wnaLinux: Download them again?
<billytwowilly> report the theft to the police?
<deFrysk> 911
<smouche> shadowplay, I've never really administered a content management system; I was just trying to learn my options
<shadowplay> wnaLinux  find / -iname="missingfile" 2>/&1
<wnaLinux> why? should I do that when I know that there is software out there that can recover lost data
<wnaLinux> ok I try that
<smouche> zope was easy to install, I found, but the documentation etc was a little confusing to me
<bob2> if you've deleted them, they're gone
<crimsun> atrus: contents of /proc/asound/modules ?
* mode/#ubuntu [+o daniels]  by ChanServ
<wnaLinux> no I didnt delete them
<atrus> crimsun: 0 snd_emu10k1
<|QuaD-> anyone know of a craps game for linux (non gambeling, just fun)
<shadowplay> bob2: not true... you should unmount your filesystem imediately and then look at the ext2 undeletion FAQ
* mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au]  by daniels
<smouche> what do you use, shadowplay?
* mode/#ubuntu [-o daniels]  by daniels
<crimsun> atrus: output of amixer onto pastebin.ca, please
<Amaranth> daniels: HostingGeek is still here.
<deFrysk> wnaLinux, look in your trash
<deFrysk> also
<dweaver> I am tryng to import my email but it is on a xp machince.  I can see the folder through Places-->Network Places but can't see it in Evolution.  Any help out there?
<daniels> Amaranth: yeah, I know; doesn't do him any harm to watch the discussion
<bob2> shadowplay: ext3 is the default on ubuntu
<atrus> crimsun: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
<shadowplay> wnaLinux : or locate <filename>  if the file's been around long enough to get into the locate database.
<Amaranth> daniels: Then why not +q?
<HostingGeek> Amaranth: leave
<HostingGeek> it
<Amaranth> btw you have an extra @ in there
<shadowplay> bob2 : same thing.  that is, the same procedure applies.
<HostingGeek> he doesn't know howto set a ban
<HostingGeek> he has set it 2 times wrong now
<daniels> Amaranth: good point, thanks
* mode/#ubuntu [+o daniels]  by ChanServ
<HostingGeek> bye bye
* mode/#ubuntu [-b *!*@@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au]  by daniels
<HostingGeek> last words!
* mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au]  by daniels
<bob2> shadowplay: no
<shadowplay> bob2 : i've done it.  It's a pain though, because you will recover file data, but not filenames.
<daniels> sorry for the inconvenience
<john> oi
<john> is there a way to disable the console beep
<bob2> shadowplay: well, I've seen things like this http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2003-January/006114.html
<Amaranth> daniels: It's still a ban instead of a +q. :P
<john> i am hackin away in bash and everytime i hit tab for an autocomplete it beeps and wakes up my wife
<billytwowilly> What's so bad about hostinggeek?
<daniels> Amaranth: yeah, that bit doesn't concern me
<wnaLinux> no its not working
<shadowplay> bob2: my bad actually.  What I did was on a reiser partition.
<bob2> shadowplay: ah, right
<wnaLinux> hmm
<daniels> billytwowilly: persistent flooding with useless crap, including intentional flooding of the development channel with the aim of making it 'useless'
<Amaranth> Who said 'useless'?
<atrus> crimsun: i'm assuming that's for the lack of any /dev/snd*
<wnaLinux> I have an idea one moment
<crimsun> atrus: are you using self-compiled 2.6.11?
<billytwowilly> the devel channel?
<daniels> Amaranth: him
<daniels> billytwowilly: yeah
<atrus> crimsun: nope
<billytwowilly> nifty.
<billytwowilly> I didn't know there were more channels.
<crimsun> atrus: 2.6.11-0.2 from universe?
<Dr_Willis> john,  try 'xset b 0 0 0 '   ( i think that kills the beep)
<ian__> xset -b
<wnaLinux> ok
<Roey> atrus:  warning! warning! going out of the expected debian norms will screw you up with linux! convert to pen and paper and forget about computers while there's still time!!
<atrus> crimsun: linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 from hoary/universe
<crimsun> atrus: ack, please use 2.6.10-29 from main
<desrt> how do i change my password in ubuntu?
<wnaLinux> a lil help here I have some of the files that I lost on my dads server
<wnaLinux> so
<crimsun> atrus: 2.6.11-0.2 is completely unsupported
<Amaranth> 2.6.11 has that nasty lockup from inotify, doesn't it?
<desrt> i want an answer that doesn't involve the commandprompt or being an administrator
<john> Dr_Willis,  Thanks
<crimsun> Amaranth: due to that older inotify patch, yes
<desrt> Amaranth; yes.  it does.
<wnaLinux> can someone help me use rsync to retrieve it?
* Amaranth is using 2.6.11
<desrt> access to inotify structures are not properly locked
<desrt> == kernel panic
<john> Dr_Willis, is there something similiar for a console session (like when i hit ALT-F1 and work full screen
<atrus> crimsun: i had the same problem under 2.6.10
<Amaranth> I just tacked a "noinotify" on the end of my kernel boot line thingy.
<shadowplay> desrt : passwd  ?
<desrt> shadowplay; without using the commandline
<desrt> i'm just trying to find out of i'm entirely daft or if there really is no way for me to change my password
<shadowplay> desrt :  <f2> passwd  ? :-P
<atrus> crimsun: -28 okay? my mirror doesn't have -29 yet
<crimsun> atrus: if you blacklist bttv, does snd_emu10k1 work then? Or - disable the printer port in an attempt to free an additional irq.
<ian__> desrt: it looks like you can avoid the command line but only if you know root pw
<da_bon_bon> hi all
<da_bon_bon> Amaranth: which kernel version ?
<Amaranth> da_bon_bon: 2.6.11
<desrt> ian; i said in my original question, "doesn't involve the commandprompt or being an administrator"
<atrus> crimsun: any way i can try killing bttv without another reboot?
<Arc> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)...
<Dr_Willis> john yep.. i forget the command however. :P i think its setterm or similer...
<ian__> desrt: I know, and it's not possible with built-in apps.
<Arc> I'm trying to burn a CD off a second drive while booted on an ubunto livecd
<da_bon_bon> Amaranth: yes, 2.6.11 need noinotify :(
<desrt> tsk!
<john> echo -e "\33[11;0] "
<Arc> can anyone help me?
<john> i think that will do it
<DarkSMB>  i just shoved a 40 pin connecter into the 50 pin slot on the left hand side... and powered the devices with a second power supply
<unkwn> arn't the other pins just for legacy and power
<john> i'd like to thank everybody at ubunu for such a great distro!!!
<crimsun> atrus: unfortunately rmmoding it won't work, you'll need to reboot.
<ian__> desrt: I'll add it to my list ;)  I'm going to bring a bunch of them up when I meet with some of the gnome developers again
<atrus> crimsun: loading snd-emu10k1 without bttv didn't help. i can't imagine the parallel port would be an issue, but 1) it's in use, and 2) the card works fine with the parport enabled under sid
<crimsun> atrus: what kernel are you using under Sid?
<atrus> crimsun: everything from 2.4.x to 2.6.7,8,9,10,11 work fine
<atrus> currently 2.6.11.4
<crimsun> atrus: have any ubuntu kernels worked?
<atrus> crimsun: not 100% to my recollection, although i thought it worked under warty way way back.
* Roey laughs gleefull
<Roey> *gleefully
<atrus> oh, and i am using bttv simultaneously under sid.
<desrt> ian; filed
<atrus> crimsun: I only tried hoary again recently, starting with kernel 2.6.8, which also never had working sound, although I never looked into it all that closely before upgrading to 2.6.10
<coyote70> I'm trying to add java to my browser but I can't get firefox to use it...is there someone that can help me
<smouche> ian__ when you meet with gnome developers, could you ask them to tweak the screenshot applet?  It's helpful for newbies to keep track of events, but it should be able to capture just a window, instead of only whole screen
<smouche> i know there's a command line thing for that, but building the choice into the panel applet would be nice
<deFrysk> coyote70, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
<IAmTheWalrus> ...Hello
<Dr_Willis> heh - gee speaking of gnome.. is there a way to disable that Minimazeing/Maximazing window animation (boxx's zooming in/out) from the task bar?
<coyote70> <deFrysk>thanks
<crimsun> atrus: ok, will have to consult alsa (mantis)
<Jeezis> Dr_Willis: switch to kde ;)
<deFrysk> Jeezis, tsk!
<Dr_Willis> Jeezis,  then i have to deal with the Idiotic ICONS in all the menus :P
<IAmTheWalrus> Uh...does anybody know anything about using bluetooth on ubuntu?
<ian__> but everything is shiny, isn't that worth.. something? ;)
<smouche> Dr_Willis, great question --  I was wondering the same.  That animation gets annoying!
<Dr_Willis> i recall reserching how to disable that gnome-eye candy once.. and all i found was emailing list discussion of "where" such an opton should be.. no way to actually do it..
<Jeezis> Dr_Willis, but its pretty
<Dr_Willis> Jeezis,  pretty ugly,
<Dr_Willis> :P
<Jeezis> and you can disable all the fancy stuff when you set it up
<john> whats a decent news nntp reader for ubuntu?
<Dr_Willis> 'pan' is a very good news reader
<john> i wanna read the gmane ubuntu feeds :)
<ian__> I talked to a guy in a coffee shop today who was trying KDE, he said it was alright but he missed gnome ("easier on the eyes")
<Jeezis> does know where i can get a video driver for the ati radeon x800 pro mobility?
<john> Use fluxbox :)
<IAmTheWalrus> Hello?
<Dr_Willis> I perfer windowmaker actually
<Dr_Willis> :P
<deFrysk> in holland they smoke pot in coffeeshops
<crimsun> atrus: all this time I've assumed that you're using in-kernel ALSA - is that in fact the case?
<Jeezis> ian__, i dunno, gnome does have a more streamlined look
<deFrysk> and smoking pot and using kde is not relaxing
<atrus> crimsun: yep
<unkwn> gnome + clearlooks theme = hot
<ian__> Jeezis: gnome is a sexy beast. :)
<IAmTheWalrus> CAn anyone hear me?
<unkwn> kde is too ... glossy
<ian__> something about the controls (drop-down boxes, etc.) really does it for me
<Dr_Willis> IAmTheWalrus,  yes.
<unkwn> IAmTheWalrus:  what do you need to know about bluetooth/
<crimsun> atrus: all right. Just to clarify: when you boot with bttv blacklisted, amixer still reports that error?
<Jeezis> ian__, that it is, but at my college saying that will get you klined :-P
<IAmTheWalrus> How to make it work
<IAmTheWalrus> or if you can at all
<unkwn> sure you can
<ian__> Jeezis: it's a KDE kapital?
<IAmTheWalrus> I've got a.. class 1 usb antenna
<deFrysk> controls yattacier3 windowporders plastic icons experience chrystal
<smouche> ian__, the boxy looking animation effect on minimizing is very annoying, and the animation seems to get slower and more distracting the further one goes in a session
<Jeezis> ian__, yup
<atrus> crimsun: got the problem isolated to udev now. manually created the /dev/snd entries, and everything's working fine
<Jeezis> smouche, i believe you can turn off all those animations in the control panel
<ian__> smouche: err, I don't even minimize, I have 9 desktops and no bottom panel :)  but I seem to remember an option for that...
<smouche> eye candy is nice, but when I minimize a window, I want to see it gone, not see it going, if you see what I mean.
<crimsun> atrus: you use separate partitions for the two, correct?
<unkwn> IAmTheWalrus:  ok?
<Dr_Willis> smouche,  or if you missclick while switching apps.. ya go tto see the min animation.. then click again to bring it back..
<atrus> crimsun: sid and ubuntu? yes
<IAmTheWalrus> I have no idea what I'm doing, if you can't tel
<ian__> smouche: I think knowing where it went is much more "usable" but I can see why some people want to get rid of it :)
<IAmTheWalrus> tel*
<Dr_Willis> on my Slow machine - the window woule be back up - befor the animation was even done..
<IAmTheWalrus> ...TELL. I hate this keyboard
<unkwn> sudo apt-get install bluez-utils
<atrus> crimsun: the only odd thing is i use the devfs udev rules, but they don't differ at all for the /dev/snd stuff, so i'm not sure why that would be an issue
<smouche> Jeezis, (I'm not running gnome anymore, so I can't check) but I seem to remember that turning off all "feedback" produced nasty results, like flashing annoying black borders at me when moving windows
<IAmTheWalrus> ok
<smouche> seems like it's all or nothing with the "visual feedback options"
<Dr_Willis> anyone else find icons in 'menus' to be annoying also?
<Dr_Willis> :P
<Jeezis> smouche: yeah, i use kde now...its nice to be able to turn off some of the 'shinier' stuff
<IAmTheWalrus> couldn't find package bluez-utils
<crimsun> atrus: no, that shouldn't matter at all
<Jeezis> Dr_Willis: a minimalist are you?
<Dr_Willis> Jeezis,  in some ways :P
<smouche> ian_ -- normally I don't mind window minimising animations, but the way it's implemented in gnome could be improved.  The thick black boxy outline stuff-- doesn't work for me
<crimsun> atrus: for a sec you had me scrambling thinking it was actually an emu10k1.c issue
<Dr_Willis> I just find the icons to be useless.. since  i read the words.
<atrus> crimsun: indeed, standard udev config fares no better
<ian__> smouche: how long does the animation take for you?
<atrus> crimsun: sorry :)
<smouche> ironically, I always thought of kde as being the eye-candier (?) thing, but it's easy (for a noob anyway) to streamline kde, than gnome
<Jeezis> smouche: here here, i agree
<smouche> ian_  -- it seems to depend on system performance, starts fast, gets very sluggish as a session continues.  I have 768 ram, Athlon Xp 1800+
<smouche> ian_ -- here's my take on the gnome eye candy:  user choices in config make it seem like the user wants maximum "visual feedback" unless there are performance problems, then he can turn it all off.
<unkwn> try configuration editor>desktop>gnome>interface>enable_animations(uncheck)
<ian__> smouche: I agree gnome is a bit on the under-configurable side right now, but I also think it's far closer to the ideal than KDE.  I also see it moving the right direction, whereas KDE isn't really moving in any usability direction yet :)
<smouche> Some of us want to turn it off, just because it's distracting
<geneo93> ian__:  your full of you know what to
<smouche> ian__ have you really tried the latest kde version?  At least as configued by ubuntu/kubuntu, it's awesome
<raydogg> I don't like kubuntu, they don't package any good apps, its full of K-apps
<wolfe> hey guys
<wolfe> I was isntalling debian
<Roey> ha
<Roey> HAHAHA
<wolfe> and my xserver doesnt work
<Roey> that's like a joke
<Roey> the beginnnng of a joke:  "So this other night I was installing Debian..."
<wolfe> ...and i was wondering
<wjesus_axl> hey guys do you know how to set up xcdroast
<wjesus_axl> how to start it as root?
<unkwn> i like gnomebaker
<geneo93> raydogg:  are you telling me that ubuntu has all the apps you need bahh
<raydogg> lol no
<wolfe> if ubuntu is better at monitor and video card auto detection
<zenrox> wjesus_axl,  xcdroast dont work with the 2.6 kernel series
<caffinated> wjesus_axl: yeah.  apt-get remove xcdroast ; apt-get install k3b
<IAmTheWalrus> um
<wjesus_axl> no way..
<caffinated> :)
<IAmTheWalrus> unkwn, the command you told me didn't do anything
<zenrox> wjesus_axl,  get gnomebaker or graveman
<wolfe> hello?
<geneo93> well i'm back to manpuke for now
<crimsun> wolfe: than...?
<IAmTheWalrus> what
<IAmTheWalrus> argh
<wolfe> is ubuntu better at hardware configuration than debian
<zenrox> wjesus_axl,  the reasion why dont need scsi enulation for burnning no more like in the 2.4 kernel series
<codyman> do you think it will be safe to prelink konquerer
<crimsun> wolfe: that's a question best posed to daniels
<caffinated> codyman: i've done it on gentoo with success.
<ian__> smouche: not on my own computer.  I got a KDE tour by KDE kids at linux world expo and sat next to a guy running the latest KDE today in a coffee shop and he showed me around a bit.  also read about the new version and looked at the screenshots.  I haven't seen kubuntu, though
<wolfe> im asking everyone
<caffinated> i imagine you should be able to on ubuntu
<wjesus_axl> thanks guys
<JDahl> wolfe, In my unqualified opinion, yes - by far
<codyman> caffinated: i apt-get installed the package what command would i use
<wolfe> ok
<zenrox> wjesus_axl,  no prob
<caffinated> codyman: man prelink
<codyman> ian_: i like kubuntu works great
<deFrysk> prelink konqueror ?
<deFrysk> why ?
* caffinated thinks konqueror is a POS
<codyman> deFrysk: really lagging online
<caffinated> codyman: prelinking only speeds up load time
<deFrysk> you can set konqueror to load in kde
<caffinated> it won't improve how it runs
<deFrysk> in the settings somewhere
<smouche> ian__ I have no way of judging these things, but i think you would instantly recognize kubuntu as, well, ubuntu!  Both kde and gnome have been nicely "humanized" -- ;-)
<JDahl> wolfe, but then, I havent reinstalled Debian for quite awhile
<codyman> caffinated: o i c
<codyman> well what browser is everyone using for web browsing the web.. firefox keeps crashing randomlyl
<caffinated> then your system is broken
<caffinated> firefox is rock stable here
<unkwn> caffinated:  you turn off ipv6?
<|QuaD-> anyone know the developers plans regarding the inclusion of ifolder in breezy?
<geneo93> seems to me everybody is making coments about stuff they haven't even fucking tried
<smouche> I sincerely hope that the kubuntu and gnome-ubuntu developers will sort of cross-fertilize with ideas (and kde needs to steal gnomes desktop pager!)
<caffinated> unkwn: i've not had to turn it on or off.  i left most of my network configuration vanilla, except for those parts i needed for my wlan
<deFrysk> geneo93, explain
<geneo93> just cut the shit
<unkwn> no, ipv6 in firefo
<unkwn> x
<unkwn> about:config
<deFrysk> filter ipv6
<bob2> geneo93: please read the community code of conduct
<geneo93> well kde 3.4 for one
<caffinated> unkwn: no, i've not had a need to.  it runs fine.
<bob2> and try to be more polite
<ewfew> alguien habla espaol ?
<deFrysk> and double click the ipv6 line
<unkwn> it'll run better with it off
<deFrysk> geneo93, I have tired kde3.4
<caffinated> unkwn: it runs fine now.
<smouche> (and ian__ gnome needs to steal kde's panel hiding mechanism-- when kde hides panels, they actually get out of the way of other apps; gnome's panels reserve the space, even when hidden)
<deFrysk> geneo93, it looks great
<deFrysk> but i dont like it anyway
<deFrysk> geneo93, for kde users there is also #kubuntu
<geneo93> i have a beta here in mandrake that will kick the snot out of anything i have ever used
<deFrysk> try that channel
<IAmTheWalrus> Um..anybody else know how to get bluetooth working on ubuntu 4.10?
<ian__> smouche: err, do they?  I can move windows into the space the panel leaves behind
<deFrysk> geneo93, sure ;)
<smouche> I realize that gnome and kde are based on different engines (?)(non-techie here), but functionally, they each could improve themselves by functional comparisons
<smouche> in gnome?
<smouche> ian__
<smouche> ?
<ian__> smouche: yeah, just tried it
<geneo93> i'm talking alll oses
<codyman> everytime there is any shockwave on a website firefox crashes.. anyway to fix this?
<bob2> IAmTheWalrus: generally, nothing
<caffinated> smouche: they just have different focuses.
<bob2> IAmTheWalrus: it should Just Work if the kernel supports your hardware
<caffinated> smouche: gnome is based on a strict set of usability guidelines.  KDE is ... well it's KDE :)
<IAmTheWalrus> hum...
<smouche> I found hiding panels in gnome only served to visually clean up the desktop, it didn't free the space to maximize other windows
<deFrysk> geneo93, mdk is not os its a distro
<Roey> caffinated:  is there a need for it?
<deFrysk> linux is an os
<caffinated> Roey: for which?
<IAmTheWalrus> well...it doesn't, as near as I can tell. There isn't a graphical application for it?
<caffinated> Roey: usability guidelines?
<JDahl> codyman, give an example URL that crashes your firefox
<Roey> caffinated:  tell me.. does GNOME's HIG change the fact that it doesn't offer half the functionality, features or  apps that KDE does?
<geneo93> hey beos is an os xp is an os what the hell you thiunk i'm lame
<Roey> caffinated:  KDE is strong because it has no singular direction; people work on many different projects with many different goals
<codyman> JDahl: www.travelocity.com
<crimsun> Roey: psst, try to keep the DE wars outside ;)
<odie5533> How does everyone organize their home folder?
<caffinated> Roey: it's a bit slower moving in the feature department, but i fail to see why you think it lacks programs.  it can use most of KDE's programs.
<deFrysk> geneo93,  I see
<Roey> caffinated:  because those are kde programs, and they don't follow gnome's hig ;) as I was saying :)
<Roey> caffinated:  I mean, I honestly do think that people should stop using gnome and move to kde
<smouche> Like I said, the developers shoould look at what works well in gnome, what works well in kde, and imitate useful functions.
<Tomcat_> odie5533: I do it by using the home folder itself as temp folder, with subdirectories like "music", "photos", "videos". :o
<Roey> caffinated:  I see no point to it anymore.
<geneo93> deFrysk:  have you ever used beos
<caffinated> Roey: and as for the HIG, i think it's important that a set of standards are formed and complied with.  linux is two sheets to the wind most of the time on the desktop because of a LACK of standardization.
<deFrysk> geneo93, tried it
<JDahl> codyman, Am I supposed to click something to make it crash? it loads perfectly
<Roey> caffinated:  you've seen what happens to standards.
<deFrysk> dont like it
<Roey> caffinated:  someone else comes out with their own standards
<geneo93> was it fast
<smouche> being different just to be different isn't useful for users; it's the users' focus that should count
<bob2> IAmTheWalrus: well, that doesn't help if it's not working
<codyman> weird it crashes instantly on my system
<deFrysk> geneo93, its fast yes
<bob2> IAmTheWalrus: what does 'sudo hcitool dev' print out? (in  a terminal)
<odie5533> Tomcat_: I do the same, but I have too many folders beneath that... it becomes a task to find files
<Draucon> anyone running pymusic?
<geneo93> well this is faster is my point
<caffinated> Roey: compare the windows desktop to the linux desktop in terms of application inter-operability.  for all window's flaws, it excells because it works from a common base instead of everyone inventing their own thing.
<Roey> caffinated:  and gnome's standards are set by committees who are (like lots of committee-oriented design groups) out of touch with their userbase.
<smouche> anyway, it's all ubuntu, it's all good.
<codyman> JDahl: I get a "Segmentation Fault"
<Roey> caffinated:  oh I agree!
<deFrysk> geneo93, ok
<odie5533> How do I edit what programs a file is opened with?
<deFrysk> you got your point
<codyman> Roey: I am very pleased about KDE 3.4
<Roey> caffinated:  cross-leveraging each other's apps is a truly shining distinction!
<Roey> codyman:  aye
<Roey> cool
<Roey> codyman:  what do you like about it?
<caffinated> Roey: so, i think the gnome organization effort is a good thing.  and one can only hope that KDE and Gnome can at least agree on some of the more important parts.
<geneo93> thank you and this isn't a gnome only channel
<Tomcat_> odie5533: I can usually navigate my home folder and all subfolders blindly :o
<JDahl> codyman, on this machine I have Hoary Preview, and I didnt installed flash myself
<Roey> caffinated:  definitely!!
<Tomcat_> odie5533: If you got too much, try using more categories and subcategories, and moving files according to that.
<caffinated> but the HIG is less about that, and more about providing a predictable user interface
<codyman> Roey: Well first of all very fast.. also the new interface reminds me of an os x like feeling but with still keeping the linux roots intact
<deFrysk> geneo93, ubuntu is mostly gnome , kubuntu is mostly kde
<caffinated> so that newbies don't start it up and get all freaked out
<ian__> caffinated: I've noticed a real social pressure to follow the HIG, too, which is excellent
<Roey> codyman:  do you think there was anything unclear about the interface? for example, sometimes I think Konqueror's sidebar is too cluttered.. I barely useit
<caffinated> one thing linux programmers have been habitually bad at in the past is creating good UIs
<geneo93> deFrysk:  you beeter check main repository has kde
<Roey> caffinated:  aye
<ian__> smouche: windows seem to maximize into that space, too :)
<caffinated> and then they wonder why nobody wants to use their stuff ;)
<geneo93> and it supported
<JDahl> How long has the Gnome terminal had tabs? I just noticed that... a great feature
<Roey> caffinated:  well.. I guess.. people who go and learn it in a formal manner are much better
<Roey> caffinated:  at designing them
<deFrysk> geneo93, I am talking channels ;)
<Roey> caffinated:  (i.e., a CS course)
<codyman> Roey: yes the sidebar likes to try to grab your attention a little too much sometimes.. its not too bad but I did notice that
<Roey> codyman:  sometimes toobars appear to be stuffed with buttons -- I almost never use any of them
<geneo93> hey go over there and see how many ppl are there
<codyman> KDE 3.4 isn't flawless but its definately a noticeable achievement in its history
<caffinated> ah well.  i love gnome myself.  it scratches my itch in all the right places, and provides a clean, predictable and productive interface to everything i use.
<deFrysk> geneo93, I know
<codyman> Roey: Yes but gnomes toolbar I find with that "spacial" stuff they use is too minimalistic
<Roey> ah
<bob2> "spatial nautilus" has nothing to do with the taskbar
<Tomcat_> I'm still pondering if I want ubuntu or kubuntu when I install hoary... what I wonder is: Is kubuntu as good as regular Ubuntu? :o
<Roey> codyman:  also, I think this translucency thing in KDE was rushed;  why enable support for it when the underlying infrastructure isn't stable??
<codyman> Gnome reminds me of like Mac OS 7.5.3 days where it was click opens new window.. click opens new window... etc. etc. very early 90's feel
<geneo93> gnome dont or kde dont reaally care what hardware you have now do they
<ian__> Tomcat_: gasoline on a fire...
<smouche> ian__ sorry, I'm confused.  As I said, I'm not running gnome now, so I can't check.  In general, i just prefer kde's panels to gnome's.  They also handle transparency better; the handles on gnome applets stay opaque when the rest of the panel is transparent, kind of ugly
<deFrysk> Tomcat_, if you prefer kde get kubuntu
<bob2> geneo93: indeed
<caffinated> Tomcat_: you can always install gnome or kde in one or the other, regardless of which one you pick.
<Roey> caffinated:  do you do gui programming at all?
<factotum> codyman: you can change that
<factotum> if you want to
<caffinated> Roey: as little as possible ;)
<Roey> =)
<Tomcat_> Well I like both desktops... it's more that I feel Gnome has more support on Ubuntu - so it'll get more packages and stuff. :o
<caffinated> Roey: while i understand the fundimentals of good design, it's not one of my focuses.  so i tend to leave it to the people who are truly good at it.
<factotum> i dunno, i use fluxbox so I suppose i could use either one
<Tomcat_> Oh well... I'll probably just try. ;)
<factotum> or in my case, neither
<deFrysk> Tomcat_, after install ubuntu apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get it all
<codyman> Roey: I am having no problems with translcuentsy.. on my notebook.. i installed kubuntu and it started right up with nvidia drivers already configured and ready to go.. I get barely any cpu use and it has been a very clean install with very little loose ends to catch up on... cleanest linux installation yet
<codyman> then again i am running the amd64 build so it screaams
* jsgotangco wishes his laptop had amd64 stuff
<caffinated> i just wish gnome would hurry up on the internal compositing.  the screen redraw on the desktop without xcompmgr is slowzer
<Roey> codyman:  also, foci would have also worked (foci and focuss are synonyms)
<smouche> codyman, yeah!  kubuntu on amd64 blazes!
<factotum> thats what i like about linux when i first started with it, low cpu usage
<K-Rich> Can anyone tell me how to install true type fonts in Warty
<Roey> codyman:  hmm, I have an nvidia ti4200 and it gets very laggy with kcompmgr runnimng.
<ian__> smouche: check 2.10 for panel applet transparency
<codyman> jsgotangco: amd64 3000+, 256 mb ddr with 2 dim slots, 40 gb, 15.4 high def wide screen, cdrw/dvd, media cards, etc. for $750
<Roey> *running.
<jsgotangco> oohhhh
<desrt> K-Rich; alt+f2 and enter fonts:///
<desrt> K-Rich; drag the files into there
<Tomcat_> codyman: Only 256 MB? :D
<smouche> and the new version of kde -- this is great that kubuntu is up to date with latest kde version-- is much much faster than previous kde
<factotum> get some ram man!
<factotum> heh
<K-Rich> thanks
<codyman> TomCat: yes, only draw back really.. but i still thanks to linux don't need as much ram as windows hogs
<Tomcat_> I'm thinking of getting an AMD64 with 512 and it still seems low :o
<codyman> but for the price i couldn't pass it up
<Tomcat_> Yeah, indeed.
<Tomcat_> Ubuntu needs like... 100 MB RAM and no swap on my laptop. :o
<caffinated> Tomcat_: heh, that changes rapidly once you open a few apps.
<factotum> my 2600 barton has a gig, I havent had 256 since my pentium 2
<smouche> ian__ thanks for listening, the willingness of folks to hear out people's concerns is fantastic in this community-- but, for now, I'm going with kde
<Tomcat_> caffinated: Yeah, that's with only a few xpdfs open ;)
<Tomcat_> caffinated: But I think it's way better than WinXP :o
<deFrysk> smouche, are you sure ? ;p
<smouche> But Iwouldn't have made it to kubuntu heaven without gnome-warty !
<codyman> factotum: i still have my old mac classic in the garage somewhere... whopping 256k of ram i believe?
<factotum> play with gimp, play some tunes, compile a kernel and see what happens with speed then
<caffinated> Tomcat_: well, there is no question that XP has a few more things going on.  my only real bitch with XP is it's security model.
<Tomcat_> ;)
<Tomcat_> Gotta go. :o
<Jeezis> is there a p2p client for ubuntu?
<Roey> caffinated:  its
<codyman> caffinated: what windows security model :-)
<caffinated> the linux/unix model is far superior.  however, security issues aside, windows has better application interoperability.
<factotum> codyman: oh yea, all the harware keeps evolving, but ive always felt like I'v always been doing the same things since i started
<deFrysk> caffinated, not to forget the price stability tools needed to be safe on the internet bla bla
<Roey> caffinated:  it's not granular enough!!! arg
<Roey> caffinated:  I have this problem with OpenVPN... arg
<smouche> I use WinXp; but for me, it's just a platform for running lots of great open-source stuff
<caffinated> Roey: thanks.  shall i pick apart all your spelling and grammar too? ;)
<ian__> for anyone interested in gnome/linux memory usage http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/benm/archives/000450.html
<Roey> caffinated:  you need to give the user admin rights to their machine so that they can use openvpn
<deFrysk> for me its a flatform
<wjesus_axl> guys help me out again
<Roey> caffinated:  :) its/it's is one of my big pet peeves, hehe
<Jeezis> is there a p2p client for ubuntu?
<caffinated> Roey: i have far more.  like 'u', 'ur', 'lolz' etc
<wjesus_axl> k3b can't recognize any writer device
<Roey> caffinated:  oh that's fine
<codyman> smouche: well with windows its basically all about the games... but thats what an $150 xbox and a 30 buck mod chip for it does ;-)
<caffinated> but i don't run this channel, so i don't feel the need to impose it on people.
<caffinated> so please, don't impose on me :)
<Roey> caffinated:  I get annoyed not with the typos or the abbreviations but with the misspellings
<factotum> p2p-->gtk-gnutella, limewire, DC something or other, emule
<factotum> there are a few
<codyman> Jeezis: also azureus
<Roey> caffinated:  but since you asked, I will not
<deFrysk> bittorrent
<Jeezis> factotum: thanks
<factotum> and yes, of course bittorrent
<Jeezis> any client that you particularly recommend?
<codyman> can't forget about bittorrent ;-)
<wjesus_axl> GUYS...
<smouche> codyman, for me it's more about multimedia, my favorite applications (foobar2000 audio player, Bsplayer for video, other stuff) isn't available for linux
<deFrysk> a Gnome-bittorrent is in hoary
<wjesus_axl> k3b is not working
<wjesus_axl> it does not recognize my burner..
<Draucon> anyone have pymusic installed?
<factotum> i know a guy at work who has a g5 running as a torrent sever more or less
<codyman> smouche: ever use media player classic.. all in one media app that plays anything you throw at it
<Jeezis> any kde client?
<smouche> yes codyman, it's great!
<codyman> smouche: if it was only for linux...
<codyman> factotum: g5s kick @$$.. got one at work and its *only* the 1.8ghz single and it screams....
<smouche> codyman, the irony is, I managed to put off diving into linux, because so much great *nix stuff was successfully ported to windows!  Open office, gimp, audacity
<wjesus_axl> help me out with k3b please
<ian__> smouche: why did you finally switch?
<factotum> oh yeah, thier amazing
<codyman> smouche: yeah audacity just got some PR from a radio station from los angeles
<smouche> ian__, One, I got tired of the performance drag my anti-virus software was exacting, Two, I want my desktop to look the way I want it to, now how some company wants it to...
<codyman> smouche: oh.. i do have a windows box for using dvdshrink since its the best for the dvd 9 to 5 job
<ian__> smouche: also I'm curious, what OSS apps were you using on windows?
<smouche> three, like I said, I like open-source
<wjesus_axl> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO SET UP K3B_
<factotum> i dunno, ive been working with linux for the past 2 years after win98 just got to the point where it shouldnt be used anymore, thought i would give linux a shot and 2 years later its still working for me
<ian__> wjesus_axl: what?  I can't hear you
<wjesus_axl> >S
<ian__> wjesus_axl: perhaps bold and capitals would do it :)
<factotum> lol i still have the pentuim166 i started out with, still running slackware
<wjesus_axl> sorry but it's urgent
<factotum> ubuntu is a great desktop distro though
<ian__> wjesus_axl: have you tried #kde?  it is a KDE app after all
<wjesus_axl> to burn cd's?
<factotum> check your /etc/fstab file
<smouche> ian_  Videolan, gimp, Open office, firefox (obviously) , all kinds of stuff, including stuff for windows, not ported to linux
<factotum> see what is says for you burner
<geneo93> gcombust is best for gnome burning app
<factotum> might have to play with permissions and goups setting a bit
<eclipse> f\
<ian__> smouche: once you switched, did you find any of those apps to be better in gnome/linux?
<factotum> i heard there where some issues with k3b and device permissions in the last month or so
<ian__> geneo93: this?  http://www.abo.fi/~jmunsin/gcombust/shot1.png  ew :)
<eclipse> how do u put the TRASH icon on the desktop of gnome?
<wjesus_axl> THIS DOES NOT AUTOMOUNT
<smouche> ian__, ironically, I've found some of them worse.  Audacity worked better in windows for me (but sound configuration in linux is tricky) -- video lan worked much better in windows,
<factotum> you dont need the capital letter
<factotum> *letters
<eclipse> does anyone know how?
<smouche> but ian, I've had a lot more time to learn how to do stuff on my windows box, so I can't fairly judge performance of apps in *nix yet
<markybob> i cant login to ubuntulinux.org...says my password's wrong.  i reset it, but get the same problem.  anyone else having the same problem?
<factotum> i dont know what to tell ya, ive been using gnome and have it looking pretty much how i want it, apps and all
<wjesus_axl> K3b did not find a suitable writer. You will only be able to create an image
<wjesus_axl> that's got I got
<wjesus_axl> that's what I got
<ian__> eclipse: I don't think there's a preference dialog for that.  it's in gconf as "/apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible"
<ian__> oy
<virtuald> markybob: your user name might be case sensitive B] 
<factotum> screenshot>>     http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=181088482423b83e55f38e&p=screen
<geneo93> wjesus_axl:  you need cdrecord and a few other things for it
<markybob> virtuald, checked.  not it.
<ian__> factotum: that's pretty nice
<smouche> funny, eclipse, I was wondering the reverse:  how do I get the trash icon OFF the desktop in kde! ;-) (without hiding all the icons)
<factotum> ian__: i like it, ive been liking a lot of the vector art thats been going around
<Marcelo_24_MSN> HOLA ALGUIEN DE CHILE
<factotum> inkscape is great
<deFrysk> smouche, kde also has a trash applet asaIk
<deFrysk> s=f
<wjesus_axl> like what
<wjesus_axl> I have cdrecord already
<virtuald> markybob: 8[
<ian__> wjesus_axl: what are you trying to burn?
<Marcelo_24_MSN> ALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPAOL
<wjesus_axl> some files
<markybob> virtuald, can you log in right now?
<ian__> wjesus_axl: in gnome?
<wjesus_axl> kde
<bob2> Marcelo_24_MSN: please stop it
<Jeezis> Marcelo_24_MSN: si, yo hablo un poco
<ian__> wjesus_axl: and you're in #ubuntu because..? :)
<wjesus_axl> I'm using ubuntu
<ian__> wjesus_axl: perhaps kubuntu?
<factotum> your using kubuntu
<factotum> lol
<Marcelo_24_MSN> DE DONDE ERES jEEZIS
<wjesus_axl> nop ubuntu
<deFrysk>  /j #kubuntu
<factotum> uh oh, gonna start a civil ware
<factotum> war even
<Jeezis> Marcelo_24_MSN: los ee uu
<geneo93> ian__:  i,m not going to put up with your crap
<ian__> geneo93: what are you talking about?
<bob2> Can someone who speaks spanish please tell Marcelo_24_MSN to go to #ubuntu-es or whatever it is?
<deFrysk> kubuntu is warware factotum
<Marcelo_24_MSN> Y A QUE TE DEDICAS
<Jeezis> bob2: sure
<geneo93> there is noone over there to help him
<markybob> Marcelo_24_MSN, please turn off your capslock
* mode/#ubuntu [+o bob2]  by ChanServ
<billy-420> Marcelo_24_MSN vas a #ubuntu-es
<Jeezis> Marcelo_24_MSN: recomiendo ve a #ubuntu-es
<geneo93> this bs that this is gnome channel is crazzy
<deFrysk> the MSN bit seems a give away to me :/
<Marcelo_24_MSN> OK
<Nem[Laptop] > op plz kthx
<smouche> Marcelo_24_MSN, por favor, no usa los majusculos
<markybob> can someone confirm that login to ubuntulinux.org is currently down?  or i am the only one with an issue?
<geneo93> thats all you guys have been beating your fingers about kde gnome kde genome
<billy-420> it works
<Jeezis> markybob: i didnt have a problem
<billy-420> just logged out/in
<caffinated> bob2: i'm curious - is this channel actually syndicated by ubuntulinux.com, or is it unofficial?
<ian__> geneo93: I thought he might be better served asking his question in a room full of KDE users. silly me.
<smouche> deFrysk, "warware factotum" ?
<deFrysk> smouche, ?
<smouche> "kubuntu is warware factotum"
<geneo93> ian__:  you go over there and ask a question
<smouche> ?
<deFrysk> smouche, I was joking kinda
<smouche> "ipso facto warware" ?
<DarthFrog> caffinated: It's official.  There was discussion about it on the Ubuntu Community Council meeting today, about channel operations.
<bob2> caffinated: it's official in that it's called the official channel
<smouche> it's all ubuntu, it's all good.
<caffinated> good deal.  just curious, because lilo appears to be restructuring parts of the network
<bob2> caffinated: I'm not sure what it actually means, tho ;)
<deFrysk> smouche, sure is ;)
* mode/#ubuntu [-o bob2]  by bob2
<DemisM> is there a way to update the gdm desktop?
<bob2> DemisM: in what sense?
<caffinated> bob2: well, by freenode policy if it's not official, you can't claim the name.  we're having some issues with that rule in #php.
<smouche> Let's bring ubuntu xfce4 into it, so we don't have a bipolar standoff
<DarthFrog> bob2: are you the channel manager? Mako seemed to act as though you were.
<deFrysk> DemisM, you mean gdmsetup ?
<smouche> ubuntu everything
<DemisM> like i've installed new icons and I want to refresh my desktop
<bob2> caffinated: oh, by that standard, yeah
<caffinated> bob2: it was more a point of curiosity than anything though
<smouche> Just rename the whole open software movement gnubuntu
<bob2> caffinated: it was registered and such before ubuntu came out, but the people working on it, etc
<vs_zach> hey guys
<vs_zach> im on my new ubuntu system
<deFrysk> lol smouche
<bob2> DarthFrog: hm, heh.  I think I'm just the op and canonical employee who wastes the most time here ;)
<vs_zach> but i cannot log in as root
<deFrysk> gnubuntu is a good one :D
<caffinated> bob2: we've found that it doesn't matter.  our channel is roughly the same size as this, and we're going to have to move it.
<DemisM> is there any way to refresh the desktop?
<bob2> DarthFrog: it seems it has been delegated to me, tho
<caffinated> even though we've been established for almost 5 years now
<DarthFrog> bob2: LOL!
<DarthFrog> bob2: yeah, it was.
<deFrysk> DemisM, should be no need to refresh
<Jeezis> vs_zach: you need to set up your root account
<smouche> bob2, we appreciate how attentive you canonical folks are...
<DemisM> so it is broken :(
<deFrysk> DemisM, on gnome ?
<DemisM> yes
<vs_zach> how do i set up my root account
<bob2> caffinated: wow
<deFrysk> DemisM, use the theme manager
<markybob> vs_zach, sudo passwd root
<Jeezis> sudo passwd root
<bob2> caffinated: well, I guess someone should ask him about it, tho I can't imagine how it could be any more official
<caffinated> bob2: well, if the official ubuntu project recognizes you, you've got no issues.
<deFrysk> DemisM,  you can set the icons in the details section of the theme manager
<caffinated> if not, well, you might wind up getting a /msg from the network admin here
<bob2> caffinated: the core php developers don't recognise #php?
<caffinated> bob2: they don't recognize any php channel
<caffinated> on any network
<caffinated> rasmus and the others are very anti-irc for some reason
<bob2> ah
<deFrysk> they are irc-sists
<bob2> most old-school developers are like that, it seems
<bob2> unless they're dragged onto it
<DarthFrog> IRC can be kinda messy.
<caffinated> probably the socio-political BS that almost inevitably happens sooner or later
<ian__> irc is pretty oldschool itself
<geneo93> yeah donyt fix it if its not broken'
<vs_zach> hey
<vs_zach> now im having apt problems
<vs_zach> i ran apt-setup
<vs_zach> and put in a new source
<geneo93> for what
<vs_zach> fluxbox
<geneo93> apt-get installl fluxbos
<deFrysk> -l s=x
<vs_zach> no
<vs_zach> apt-get install fluxbox doesnt work
<vs_zach> cannot find the package
<vs_zach> hellloooo
<geneo93> oh you dont have all the repositories enabled then
<neighborlee> anyone else still seeing firefox causing gnome-panel ( and so far gnome-terminal too is toast)  and seemingly entire desktop to crash ??
<deFrysk> neighborlee, no ?
<neighborlee> deFrysk, why the question mark
<vs_zach> what the heck
<geneo93> you need to edit apt src list uncomment
<vs_zach> apt-setup is being a dick
<deFrysk> neighborlee, wondering what you did to your box
<neighborlee> deFrysk, nothing at all....this has been ongoing issue in hoary preview for a while and I would have thought it would be fixed by now
<neighborlee> shrugggg
<neighborlee> its been behaving so nicely too till just now ;-))ha
<deFrysk> neighborlee, hehe
<vs_zach> can someone help me with apt
<vs_zach> please
<neighborlee> and since my desktop is fried i shall make like tree and leaf and brb
<caffinated> mm, i'm quite happy with hoary, despite the small issues i had getting the wlan up initially.
<smouche> folks, can anyone tell me why Amarok is playing mp3 "out of the box"  in kubuntu?  This is a pleasant surprise, but I thought there were licensing issues...
<caffinated> it's fixed some issues i was having before.
<deFrysk> vs_zach, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
<smouche> here I thought I would have to apt-get mp3 codecs or whatever from mulitiverse... ?
<caffinated> i think i'm going to switch to desktop-tweakin mode soon here heh
<smouche> anyway, with gnome warty, I couldn't play mp3 immediately, with kubuntu, I can
<geneo93> aint that nice
<caffinated> i had no problems playing mp3s once i stopped trying to use the music player that came with it, and started using xmms
<deFrysk> smouche, probably you had universe open before you instaslled amarok ;)
<smouche> (I'm talking about a fresh install of kubuntu array 7, I think, no other ubuntu stuff was on that drive)
<deFrysk> en great spelling yeah!
<geneo93> na its right off cd man
<smouche> no, deFrsysk, this is a brand new install from cd, no updates.
<deFrysk> smouche, thats cool then
<geneo93> thats kde packaging
<smouche> hmm, but I thought it was ubuntu policy to not have mp3 etc support installed by default; I'm not complaining, mind you.
<smouche> man, Amarok is nice.  I like it better than rhythm box and totem so far...
<crimsun> smouche: it is ubuntu policy; kubuntu policy might differ.
<optiks> hi
<neighborlee> hi optika
<neighborlee> optiks even LOL
<optiks> I want to increase my monitor refresh rate to 75Hz, but options only allow me the option of 60 -- is there a way to force the refresh rate value ?
<optiks> g'day :P
<neighborlee> optiks: you need to alter that in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
<neighborlee> optika, somehow it did not detect right during install
<neighborlee> optika, make sure you go by your manual or you can break things ;)
<optiks> s/optika/optiks ;)
<smouche> I see crimsun; the ubuntu/kubuntu relationship is still terra incognita to me; I thought it was all working under Canonical's oversight
<crimsun> smouche: two different distros sharing the same base
<optiks> any idea what option I am editing?
<smouche> I see.  thanks crimsun.
<neighborlee> optika,'section MONITOR' is what you want..its under there
<optiks> that's what I'm saying, neighborlee, there's no option to force it.
<vs_zach> does anyone know where i could find a apt source for fluxbox
<ian__> nautilus PDF thumnailer!  http://www.gnome.org/~fherrera/img/pdfs.png
<ian__> +b
<ian__> *drool*
<_4strO> vs_zach> on oary repository
<_4strO> hoary*
<vs_zach> where?
<_4strO> you're on warty ?
<ice_1963> i'm on hoary
<_4strO> apt-get install fluxbox ...
<odie5533> How many video players can you run on linux without any lag?
<ice_1963> why
<odie5533> I run two on windows and it freezes...
<_4strO> will try
<_4strO> ;o
<smouche> how much ram, odie5533?
<odie5533> 512mb
<odie5533> I got 5 running not a bit of lag
<odie5533> my sound sounds funny though, so many diff things
<geneo93> i think i got to around 30
<odie5533> 6 it gets a BIT laggy on some :(
<smouche> Odie5533, with 512 in windows you should be able to run more than that; try the old windows media player, or google for "media player classic"
<odie5533> frames dropping on one of them
<odie5533> the others look perfect
<_4strO> 4 for me
<odie5533> ah its lagging at 6 =/
<odie5533> 5 is the max, though I see no reason to run more than one :D
<ioguix_> hi everyone :)
<Sirinus> Hi folks
<_4strO> hi
<ioguix_> I need some clue about the live cd hoary ppc :/
<virtuald> odie5533: if you have more than one screen and sound card then it would be useful :P
<odie5533> I have 2 sound cards
<odie5533> :D
<virtuald> :D
<ioguix_> It doesn't boot on my ibook G4 12" 800MHz
<odie5533> onboard (which isnt crap, its pretty good) and a 5.1 SS
<virtuald> SS?
<odie5533> Surround Sound
<virtuald> ok
<ioguix_> with yaboot or with the 'C' key...
<smouche> I'm just really happy that kubuntu recognized my sound card, and uses it perfectly, no messing around with sound configuration at all
<bob2> ioguix_: do other cds boot?
<odie5533> smouche: same, except ubuntu, no 'k'
<ioguix_> bob2: yep
<odie5533> My card is an odd card, but very high quality
<odie5533> Mad Dog Multimedia Sound Card
<ioguix_> bob2: like the apple cd for example...
<odie5533> Ah apple...
<ioguix_> I am currently writing the iso a second time...
<odie5533> Never had one, and proud of it :D
<ioguix_> to try again...
<ioguix_> odie5533: lol
<smouche> ubuntu, kubuntu, gnubuntu, it's all good odie5533 ;-)
<bob2> ioguix_: ok
<odie5533> gnubuntu? never heard of it
<DarthFrog> Gnubuntu.  Love it. :-)
<odie5533> I've heard of gnoppix, which is based of ubuntu
<Sirinus> ...Hm, does anyone have any idea what could cause the debootstrap to throw up an error 1 during installation on aN Apple G4 AGP?
<DarthFrog> rms would love GNUbuntu, too.
<smouche> you buntu, thou buntust, el bunta, nosotros bunatamos...
<odie5533> Does gnubuntu exist?
<odie5533> or is that a joke?
<bob2> Sirinus: you'd need to paste the error to #flood
<smouche> joke, odie5533 -- and hope!  ;-)
<bob2> odie5533: gnoppix is only recently based on ubuntu, up until 6 months ago it was seperate
<odie5533> 6 months is pretty long lol
<DarthFrog> bob2: Up until 6 months ago, ubuntu didn't exist. :-)
<ioguix_> Is it normal that I can't mount the live cd of hoary under MacOSX ??
<Sirinus> bob2: Hmm, ok - thats all that it tells me though - i'm not sure how I get the details
<smouche> I should copyright gnubuntu -- er, no I shouldn't.  Stallman would get pissed.
<odie5533> hmm gnubuntu.org .net and .com are all registered domains...
<fez_> I just installed hoary on a machine with a 1680x1050 screen... i found this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18459.html) and edited the conf file, but how do i get the changes to take effect without restarting the system?
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Who owns them?
<odie5533> checking
<bob2> DarthFrog: heh, I was using it in june ;)
<DarthFrog> fez_: Press CTL-ALT-Backspace.
<smouche> heh, DarthFrog --it took me a minute to realize what you meant by "rms", lol.  Linux/gnu noob here...
<bob2> Sirinus: no, we need to see maybe 6 lines before that
<DarthFrog> bob2: :-)
<odie5533> someone in london
<DarthFrog> odie5533: Mark Shuttleworth?
<odie5533> nope
<smouche> odie5533, -- gnubuntu is registered as a domain??  heh
<fez_> DarkFrog: I tried that... and x exited and restarted... but i am still running in the old resolution... it could be that i didn't edit the file correctly.. is there an automated way of creating the modelines?
<odie5533> .net .com and .org
<odie5533> Registrant Organization:MRS Virtual Development
<odie5533> MRS virtual dev
<ioguix_> 
<Sirinus> bob2: Okay, one moment
<bob2> hahaha
<odie5533> wonder what that is
<ioguix_> arf
<ioguix_> nobody can help me ?
<ioguix_> :/
<DarthFrog> fez_: If X restarted in the old resolution, then you did not make the changes you thought you made.
<bob2> ioguix_: no, it's not normal
<smouche> well, once ubuntu settles on an animal (warthog, hedgehog, badger?? what's next ;-) we'll see nice graphics with Tux and the gnu ...
<DarthFrog> Perky Penguin.
<ioguix_> bob2: lol, thanks...I already installed a warty, so I use yaboot as boot manager...any clue about that ?
<smouche> Or maybe, it should be called "noobuntu".
<bob2> ioguix_: no, sorry
<DarthFrog> Testy Tenerec
<fez_> DarthFrog: yeah i guess not... is there any way of editing the resolution chooser options?
<bob2> ioguix_: try asking on the user list, I guess
<bob2> ioguix_: could just be you burnt it incorrectly, check the md5sum too
<ioguix_> bob2: ok, I'm gonna try with the CD I just burned...
<DarthFrog> Crafty Coyote, Dusty Dormouse, Jaggy Jaguar, Lusty Lemming, Rocky Racoon. :-)
<ioguix_> bob2: I gona check that first ;)
<smouche> Gnomish Gnu
<odie5533> DarthFrog: Someone in the community owns the gnubuntu set
<odie5533> A staff I believe
<DarthFrog> odie5533: That's what I figured.
<odie5533> Whats gonna be there :D
<smouche> Sprinting Springbok
<odie5533> Its the same person that registered the canonical.com domain, except with a different name :D
<smouche> covering all their bases
<odie5533> well I hope gnubuntu turns into something cool :D
<smouche> hmm, is Shuttleworth still into space travel?  could this distro be the first linux used in space someday? (or has that been done?)
<odie5533> prob been done
<odie5533> just no one cares
<odie5533> ;)
<odie5533> no offense to any linux users of course
<geneo93> the shuttle that crashed was using M$ crap
<odie5533> wait, the os crashed?
<geneo93> 5 friging computers and none of them worked atm
<jdub> smouche: he took mozilla with him :)
<smouche> heh heh.  By the way, jdub, next time Mr Shuttleworth invites all you developers out on his yacht (he does do that right?) please thank him for me...
<smouche> ;-)
<jsgotangco> hello
<jdub> we won't be yachting, but we'll all be at UbuntuDownUnder in Sydney in late april :)
<jsgotangco> ohh
<jsgotangco> jdub: hi
<jsgotangco> jdub: it seems i'll see you there as well as i got sponsored
<jdub> rock and roll
<smouche> have fun jdub-- hope y'all share the pictures on the web site
<bob2> hah
<bob2> the pictures are kinda scary
<smouche> irony:  my first task in using kynaptic -- downloading synaptic.
<jsgotangco> has anyone encoutered login failures in the wiki at the moment
<bob2> it seems broken
<bob2> people know about it
<jsgotangco> so it seems
<geneo93> smouche:  why aint it called gynaptic
<smouche> lol, geneo93.  That sounds a bit obstetric to me...
<geneo93> maybe cause its not a gnome app
<geneo93> or has nothing to do with gnome
<geneo93> or kde
<smouche> I think you're on to something there, geneo93.
<odie5533> Do people that work on ubuntu ever stop in here?
<jdub> odie5533: always
<bob2> yes
<jdub> well
<odie5533> oh
<jdub> not stop
<jdub> we never stop
<jsgotangco> always
<smouche> odie5533, jdub is a developer.
<smouche> and bob2, /
<smouche> ?
<factotum> and ya don' stooop
<geneo93> its hard to stop in irc
<odie5533> wow, I thought that dev's weren't coming in here
<odie5533> 'stop' = come into IRC
<odie5533> Maybe its a chicago term...
<smouche> They stoop to konquer.
<odie5533> jdub: what is gnubuntu.org/com/net for?
<factotum> devs are everywhere, its crazy when you meet one, especially when youve known them off and on for a looong time
<geneo93> coffee shop
<odie5533> coffee shop?
<jdub> odie5533: might be a surprise. :-)
<odie5533> Do you know?
<jdub> yes.
<odie5533> :D
<bob2> hah
<odie5533> I hope its a good surprise!
<jsgotangco> interesting
<geneo93> maybe
<jdub> (compare the dates of gnubuntu.org and kubuntu.org)
<geneo93> dont start agggain
<jsgotangco> haha
<jsgotangco> interesting stuff
<smouche> hmm, let me guess-- gnubuntu is Shuttleworth's gift to Richard Stallman -- no funding worries for gnu open source ever in perpetuity!
<smouche> (how rich is Shuttleworth anyway?)
<crimsun> "enough"
<odie5533> sptember 04
<jsgotangco> rich enough to join the soyuz
<odie5533> So what is gnubuntu.org for
<smouche> jesus, I started a joke, and it got the whole world coughing...
<BuffaloSoldier> maybe gnubuntu is like an investment for the future
<BuffaloSoldier> GNU/Hurd based Ubuntu
<odie5533> ubuntu.org was created months before gnubuntu
<jsgotangco> if HURD does get finished
<jsgotangco> hehe
<odie5533> or maybe its a top secret organization
<smouche> somebody register noobuntu, please
<odie5533> bent on... distributing free operating systems
<syn-ack> jsgotangco: it will be done. They bitch more than any other org I know.
<virtuald> what do you think comes first, Hurd or Duke Nukem Forever?
<jsgotangco> how about poobuntu since people sometimes think the ubuntu colors remind them of poo
<bob2> the hurd exists already
<bob2> duke nukem forever does not
<virtuald> well
<virtuald> they have code
<virtuald> B] 
<smouche> doodoobuntu
<turf> guys has any one here have successful made internal modem of ibook work, can u direct me to some docs?
<odie5533> Hmm
<odie5533> is ubuntu registration down?
<jsgotangco> its borked at the moment in my experience
<turf> i down load it from there site
<jsgotangco> i cant even fix the wiki
<bob2> odie5533: as I said earlier, it's broken
<BuffaloSoldier> virtuald: i think duke nukem first :P
<odie5533> Ah, sorry, I missed that
<virtuald> :P
<smouche> Duke Nukuntu vs The HURD
<BuffaloSoldier> but i do hope it gets finished... another opensource OS.. the more the merrier
<puppet> no one that have check on v4l2 and v4l? since gnomemeeting dont work at all now kinda :/ But the rest work with cam its just kinda gnomemeeting
<bob2> turf: if it's a g3 ibook, it should be possible
<BuffaloSoldier> Duke Nukuntu = Duke Nukem for Ubuntu?
<smouche> I hope open BeOs or whatever it's called gets finished.
<BuffaloSoldier> smouche: is that Zeta OS?
<turf> bob2: its an old ibook 300 mhz
<smouche> BuffaloSoldier, I think Zeta is one of the BeOs clone projects, yeah -- but there are others... /
<smouche> I think -- anyway, I loved BeOs.
<turf> bob2: i notice during installation the only detected for net connection is airport and my eth0
<bob2> sure, it won't work automatically
<turf> bob2: yes its a G3 300 mhz, its kind of old
<jsgotangco> i think the older airports are supported but the newer ones use broadcom so its a no go
<smouche> too bad thoreauputic isn't on here now; he uses an ibook, I think
<smouche> but on a dialup
<turf> i havent tried airport yet, only the lan
<smouche> yeah, new airport i've heard is not supported
<turf> smouche; he have use it on a dialup?
<jsgotangco> he's good
<jsgotangco> hhee
<Sirinus> bob2: Thanks for starting to help me..looks like a reburn with different software on a different machine fixed the issue :)
<smouche> yeah, I think so
* jsgotangco wishes he can configure his laptops winmodem correctly
<jsgotangco> hi membreya
<bob2> Sirinus: ah, right
<bob2> Sirinus: broken cds seem to cause most install problems trhese days
<membreya> hey there jsgotangco :)
<Sirinus> bob2: Yeah, I eventually found a post on the forum which talked about Nero causing issues..seems to be the case here, too
<puppet> bah no one more that have problems with v4l2 :( Worked fine in Debian :/
<woodywarty> Hi all
<woodywarty> Can somebody help to out with Squid
<membreya> not long now till the final :D
<BuffaloSoldier> guys, got to go.. take care
<woodywarty> Squid is running fine on my system
<puppet> squid is easy to setup
<woodywarty> But the access.log is 0 KB in size
<GNAM> very best in translations is BAD
<GNAM> you must learn english.
<membreya> woodywarty: have you configured the log properly ?
<woodywarty> Why is the access.log 0 KB in size
<jimarko> Hey all! Quick Question... Anyone had issues with Flash animations losing sync with sound?
<woodywarty> membreya, I sure did the config rightly
<smouche> bob2, Sirinus, Nero kept screwing up my ubuntu CDs till i set the burn to slowest speed possible.
<membreya> did you chmod the /var/log/squid directory?
<turf> where should i go for basic commands in ubuntu, cause some of the command i use like for ex. service mysql restart stuff like that?
<membreya> i mean chown
<bob2> membreya: you don't need to do that
<bob2> turf: they're all the same as Debian
<bob2> turf: invoke-rc.d is the tool you're looking for there
<turf> ok, thanks
<woodywarty> Well I did
<membreya> woodywarty: in your squid.conf, have you stipulated the log file
<woodywarty> Yes I did, hey it is now working
<membreya> lol :P
<woodywarty> membreya, I don't understand why
<woodywarty> But tomorrow, the access.log will again be 0 KB in size
<turf> by the way ubuntu is cool in ibook, easy to install just need to work on my int. modem
<membreya> nfi woodywarty, try #squid :) chrish is a great help
<membreya> woodywarty: don't forget that the log rotates daily
<woodywarty> And today's access logs gets tared
<bob2> woodywarty: er, you know logs get rotated, right?
<bob2> this is the same on all modern unixes
<membreya> bob2: that's what I said :P
<woodywarty> bob2, what do you mean by rotated ?
<jimarko> has anyone encountered a SWF audio sync problem?
<woodywarty> what should the write permissions of the the access.log be ?
<puppet> woodywarty: to the user you run squish as
<bob2> woodywarty: don't touch the permissions
<bob2> they are fine
<bob2> you'll only break it
<pinPoint> there's almost audio sync in anything involving video and audio
<pinPoint> or clip and audio
<bob2> woodywarty: every morning, a tool called logrotate moves your log files to a new name and compresses the old ones
<membreya> bob2: wouldn't that depend on the user you run squid as ? :P
<bob2> woodywarty: this is so your logs don't fill up /var/log/
<pinPoint> i experience audio sync problems in DVDs too
<bob2> membreya: the default in Debian and Ubuntu is fine
<woodywarty> Oh Ok, that's going well
<membreya> bob2: you mean "nobody"
<woodywarty> But I really don't understand why the access.log stops working after getting rotated today
<bob2> woodywarty: "stops working"?
<bob2> did someone change the permissions on it?
<woodywarty> for example, the access.log will again be 0 KB in size after getting rotated tomorrow
<membreya> bob2: he said it's 0 bytes....but then said "it's working"
<syn-ack> jimarko: Blame Macromedia for that. its common on all linux distros
<membreya> woodywarty: rotated means it gets emptied
<jimarko> ARGH! really? and there is no other plugin is there...
<bob2> woodywarty: that's fine.  then as new requests come in, it'll grow.
<jimarko> like a 3rd party developed plugin or something
<woodywarty> Well yes, the access.log file today will get zipped tomorrow
<topyli> jimarko: nobody can make one
<syn-ack> jimarko: not one worth a damn
<woodywarty> Today's access.log will be access.log.1.gz tomorrow
<bob2> woodywarty: right
<bob2> woodywarty: I don't think we get what yo uthink the problem is
<woodywarty> But after that, the new access.log will be again 0 KB in size
<jimarko> ok, well thx for the info :)
<dave_> anyone know how to install nvidia drivers?
<membreya> dave_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
<woodywarty> bob2, I am saying that my access.log tomorrow will be 0KB
<lizardking> hello
<syn-ack> woodywarty: and the problem with that is?
<bob2> dave_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
<ioguix_> hello
<bob2> woodywarty: that's what's supposed to happen
<membreya> woodywarty: as i said, when the log rotates it empties
<woodywarty> Well how can I analyze a Access.log which is 0 KB in size
<bob2> woodywarty: er?
<bob2> woodywarty: you're missing the point
<membreya> woodywarty: check the stored logs
<topyli> woodywarty: analyze the old one, it's all there
<bob2> woodywarty: if you want to look at yesterday's data, look at access.1.log.gz
<lizardking> do U know which program or gdesk display allow you to put the Terminal in the desktop background?
<Amaranth> Can I get hoary users to try out the latest release of my menu editor? I need lots of testers. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390
<dave_> yeh i install my driver then edit the config to use the driver rather than the base driver and xwindow dosnt start
<membreya> lizardking: AFAIK you cant
<syn-ack> woodywarty: see this? this install is almost 3 weeks old: 6.6M    /var/log
<jsgotangco> Amaranth: i'll get it now to try it tee hee
<dave_> nvidia
<membreya> woodywarty: use calamaris to analyze your log files
<syn-ack> woodywarty: it would be ALOT larger without the compression
* topyli runs to get Amaranth's latest
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: Are you the one I told to wait a day? :)
<membreya> Amaranth's release is SOOOOO yesterday :P
* calamari_ perks up
<Amaranth> I'm going to see if the MOTU can get this in if no one has issues with it.
<jsgotangco> no that wasnt me hehehe
<Amaranth> membreya: This is 0.4.
<membreya> lol calamari_ :P
<membreya> oo oo link me baby!
<Amaranth> read up :P
<membreya> damn developers that release a new version every day
<Amaranth> It doesn't actually add any new features.
<Amaranth> It's just a polish release, something worthy of getting into universe (I hope).
<jsgotangco> vlc was updated twicetoday lol
<dave_> i just installed that today
<membreya> polish? :| who the hell speaks polish
<lizardking0353> do U know which program allow you to display the terminal in the desktop background like a gdesk display?
<woodywarty> Type:  303880 Mar 23 13:16 access.log
<calamari_> kate was updated to fix an editing bug, but I haven't had time to download all of kde to compile it :)
<Amaranth> vlc-gtk makes vlc usable, btw :)
<Amaranth> membreya: um, polish as in what you do to make things shine :P
<membreya> oh POLISH..not polish ...gotcha :)
<jsgotangco> ohhhhh
<jsgotangco> its nice
<membreya> Amaranth: develop your own icon :P
<Amaranth> membreya: meh, i suck with inkscape and gimp
<lizardking0353> hello
<jsgotangco> let's make a documentation for it for yelp
<lizardking0353> only a question!
<Amaranth> besides, the foot is used for the menus so it makes sense that it would be used for the editor ;)
<dave_> Is there a way to connect to the internet using gui?
<elmaya> Amaranth, how do u run vlc-gtk?
<membreya> trying to justify your lax action Amaranth ? :P
<dave_> Im using a script in the terminal
<Amaranth> elmaya: Just install it, you'll be able to tell the difference.
<jsgotangco> Amaranth: it seems to work fine
<membreya> nah, all respect to you ..it's a great app :)
<Amaranth> elmaya: You'll have to reopen vlc, of course.
<elmaya> i did but when i type vlc-gtk nothing works
<jsgotangco> why not apply it for universe
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: I'm going to, if I can get some speedy QA from you guys. :)
<lizardking0353> dave, which kind of script?
<Amaranth> Do you worst, try to break it.
<jsgotangco> sure
<dave_> a basic script
<Amaranth> err, your
<jsgotangco> ill try to do a docbook for it later
<Amaranth> Don't delete any files, that's cheating. :D
<lizardking0353> can you send me yours script?
<dave_> #!/bin/bash
<dave_> slmodemd --country=7e /dev/slamr0 &
<dave_> wvdial &
<lizardking0353> please
* membreya sudo killall's menu-editor...there ya go Amaranth :)
<calamari_> dave: I use gnome's modemlights taskbar application
<Amaranth> lizardking0353: GNOME PPP?
<jsgotangco> let me reboot x
<elmaya> Amaranth, whats the command vlc-gtk?
<lizardking0353> nome PPP?
<Amaranth> elmaya: Just vlc
<elmaya> hummm
<Amaranth> lizardking0353: Yeah, the gnome-ppp package.
<Amaranth> elmaya: You can't tell the difference?
<calamari_> dave: it uses pppon / off to work, though.. so you'd need to set things up with pppconfig first
<lizardking0353> do put the terminal on the screen?
<dave_> k
<topyli> Amaranth: seems to work. also, lots of progress -- i was a bit behind the times, had v0.1 :)
<Amaranth> hehe
<Amaranth> no more root editting!
<topyli> yah
<dave_> i minimize the terminal once its connected
<lizardking0353> dave but if i put the bash code in bashrd then My terminal goes to the desktop?
<woodywarty> bob2, my problem is that my Access.log won't be created daily automatically
<jsgotangco> hmmm
<jsgotangco> Amaranth: make your own icon lol
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: make me one
<calamari_> lizardking0353: umm, I think he's talking about getting online, maybe not about your problem.. but I could be mistaken :)
<membreya> jsgotangco: already gave him that feedback :)
<jsgotangco> im bad at it ill just make you a docbook
<dave_> ?
<lizardking0353> Amaranth how can I configure GNOMEPPP TO DO THAT?
<topyli> jsgotangco: actually Amaranth has a point when he says the foot _is_ what's on the menu itself
<membreya> i hate seeing icons reused.it's so passe :P
<woodywarty> How can I get my Squid's access.log to be update daily
<Amaranth> lizardking0353: err, i thought you wanted a gui app to connect to the internet
<lizardking0353>  no no
<lizardking0353> i want terminal permanently on the desktop like a gdesk app
<membreya> Amaranth: he wants his terminal embedded on his desktop ..AFAIK it cant be done
<Amaranth> oh
<Amaranth> dave_: gnome-ppp :P
<dave_> i want a gui app to connect to the internet
<dave_> k
<lizardking0353> :P
<Amaranth> lizardking0353: you can get a one liner in your panel that doesn't give feedback
<lizardking0353> mini commander?
<Amaranth> i think that's it
<woodywarty> bob2,
<lizardking0353> because I have seen in some screeen shot I think the terminal in the deskop
<topyli> lizardking0353: do alt-f2. there's your terminal, embedded on the desktop :)
<woodywarty> bob2 ?
<lizardking0353> eheh
<lizardking0353> :d
<membreya> lol topyli :P
<johns^> lizardking0353: it's probably a terminal without borders & menubar?
<topyli> you may lose some icons and stuff though
<lizardking0353> yes
<woodywarty> membreya, syn-ack
<johns^> on a gnome desktop?
<Amaranth> that isn't embedded
<Amaranth> that's just chromeless
<jsgotangco> perfect
<Amaranth> i think eterm can do that
<lizardking0353> boh i don't remember which DESK
<woodywarty> Amaranth, can you help me out with Squid
<lizardking0353> eterm so I apt get install it !
<woodywarty> bob2 , syn-ack
<Amaranth> woodywarty: Never used it.
<bob2> woodywarty: stop it
<lizardking0353> the configure that
<lizardking0353> ok
<bob2> woodywarty: it will be created when something write to it
<bob2> if it's not, it's a bug
<lizardking0353> thanks you to ALL :D
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: what's perfect?
<woodywarty> -rw-r--r--    1 squid     6218214 Mar 22 04:01 access.log.2.gz
<membreya> bob2: either that or his squid / browser configs are wrong :P
<DemisM> I was wondering, when I log out my screen blacks out any reason why this happens I'm using ati?
<woodywarty> Is the ownership right
<Amaranth> DemisM: It's just X restarting.
<Amaranth> DemisM: It comes back, right?
<jsgotangco> Amaranth: the editor is just perfect at the moment does what it needs to do
<DemisM> no
<Amaranth> o_O
<elmaya> Amaranth, oh..now i see the diff
<topyli> Amaranth: yeah, you fixed gnome single-handedly :)
<bob2> woodywarty: don't touch the permissiions or ownership
<DemisM> let me try it again
<Amaranth> elmaya: I guess it sticks out more for me, I use Clearlooks-Indubstrial
<elmaya> vlc rocks
<Amaranth> topyli, jsgotangco: Thanks. :)
<woodywarty> I don't understand this Group ID consisting of numbers
<negativecreep> hi all
<negativecreep> /usr/bin/dirsplit : permission denied
<Amaranth> I'll let a few more random people attempt to break it.
<negativecreep> this is what I get when i try to use dirsplit as root
<jsgotangco> Amaranth: i'll make a docbook for it later so i it could have a simple manual at least
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: I don't really think it needs one.
<jsgotangco> oh come on im not doing anything at the moment
<jsgotangco> hehe
<membreya> jsgotangco: write a manual for mouse cursors :P
<puppet> bah no one more that have problems with v4l2 :( Worked fine in Debian :/
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: Write me a Continuum clone. ;)
<membreya> puppet: what's wrong ?
<DemisM> ok I logout from the ubuntu desktop and it never comes back, it just blacks out, anyone ahve this problem, or has had it and fixed it, or know about it?
<jsgotangco> wait a minute
<jsgotangco> how come you can't delete stuff
<puppet> membreya: v4l2
<jsgotangco> ?
<puppet> membreya: doesnt completley work :/
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: What can't you delete?
<membreya> puppet: elaborate
<puppet> membreya: i had v4l supprt in debian, but when i installed ubuntu there just is v4l2
<jsgotangco> i want to delete some entries
<puppet> membreya: and the v4l2 > v4l1 support aint that good
<puppet> membreya: so it kinda suck :/
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: I need more details.
<membreya> puppet: what exactly is "not working" with v4l2?
<puppet> membreya: the webcam
<puppet> membreya: i have tried latest snapshot of pwc
<jsgotangco> Amaranth: how can you delete entries in the editor say i want to delete vlc or move it elsewhere
<woodywarty> bo2, last question. If my access.log becomes 0 KB and does not increase in size, what should I do ?
<puppet> membreya: that is supposed to support v4l2
<membreya> oh, i only have a logitech quickcam express..
<membreya> and i haven't bothered getting it work properly
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: err, double click on the entry and click the delete button
<membreya> Amaranth: damn you, make it a single click interface
<Amaranth> membreya: Real users always double click. ALWAYS
<jsgotangco> well now you need a manual
<jsgotangco> :D
<Amaranth> ;P
<puppet> cat: /tmp/tmpfile: No such file or directory
<membreya> jsgotangco: you just want you name in the credit :P
<puppet> bah oops ;p
<jsgotangco> bah fine
<puppet> wrong server haha
<jsgotangco> im not doing anything then
<puppet> Mar 23 01:57:43 localhost kernel: pwc Frame buffer underflow (1130 bytes); discarded.
<membreya> im sure that upsets Amaranth :P
<puppet> it gets like that membreya
<Amaranth> Seriously, users that don't double click everything are usually the ones that will be able to figure out that you need to double click some things. :P
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: You can write one, I can't guarantee I'll use it.
<Amaranth> jsgotangco: I know I'll need one later on though.
<Insom> hi all
<woodywarty> ast question. If my access.log becomes 0 KB and does not increase in size, what should I do ?
<jsgotangco> its ok i'll just pass
<Insom> how can i find out witch version of samba i am using in console?
<jsgotangco> ill just clean up the wiki
<Amaranth> Yeah, a nice wiki entry would be cool.
<jsgotangco> no i mean clean up the wiki like i always do
<jsgotangco> :D
<woodywarty> last question. If my Squid's access.log becomes 0 KB after being rotated tomorrow, what should I do ?
<DemisM> is there a way I can uninstall evolution and other programs with having to uninstall some other programs like ubuntu-desktop
<jsgotangco> i believe ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
<jsgotangco> it just points to actual packages
<Insom> anyone? what do i type in console to find out wtich version of samba i have on my ubuntu sisthem?
<odie5533> Any C coders here?
<DemisM> when I do a system log out, my screen never returns, it just blacks out. would this be an ati fglrx driver problem, cause it worked when I had the ati instead of fglrx driver...
<dave_> go to the samba config file?
<topyli> Insom: apt-cache show samba
<Insom> tnx topyli
<tyreth> Hi, ubuntu seems to only have libboost packages of version 1.31.0 but I need 1.32.0.  I know debian testing has the newer version - will it be bad for me to use those?  how can I get and install them using apt-get?
<puppet> i dont like v4l2 :'(
<puppet> is it so hard to just get back v4l in gnomemeeting :/
<Insom> topyli: does that work for all other packages
<virtuald> puppet: mew
<java-jones> hello help with installing linux on laptop without cdrom
<java-jones> can anyone pls help
<topyli> Insom: any package, yes
<java-jones> i have a ibm thinkpad
<puppet> virtuald: help me bitch :(
<virtuald> puppet: sed -i s/v4l2/v4l/g /usr/bin/gnomemeeting :D
<crimsun> java-jones: got a network connection?
<java-jones> its got a cdrom but its not working
<puppet> virtuald: lol
<puppet> virtuald: hahhahaha
<java-jones> yeah its got a usb lan
<virtuald> i don't use it
<Insom> if u dont have broad band u should give it up java-jones
<Smeven> my comp keeps doing weird things
<puppet> virtuald: use it and fix it! ;P
<crimsun> java-jones: please try the netboot option, then. Search http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/
<virtuald> :P
<Smeven> the eth0 just keeps losing its ip and dropping off the net
<puppet> virtuald: i know where u live!
<java-jones> but i can install via NFS
<puppet> virtuald: almost not ;p
<Smeven> and dmesg doesnt say a thing about it
<java-jones> the thing is i created bootdisk from RHEL 3
<java-jones> but when i try booting from floppy its gives error msg "boot failed"
<virtuald> puppet: i moved in december, did you know that too? :P
<java-jones> the same disk is working on other desktop pcs
<puppet> virtuald: no ;p
<DemisM> are the packages in the universe and multiverse repositories safe to install (i.e. wont break the system)?
<puppet> virtuald: didnt know that
<puppet> virtuald: moved where?
<crimsun> java-jones: try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Netboot%20InstallHowto
<virtuald> puppet: bellevuegrden
* alavista is installing hoary 5.04.. :)
* VladDrac 's now configuring x.org for the fifth time
<odie5533> Is there a way to mount a bin file as a cd?
<VladDrac> can't say the sarge->hoary migration is as easy as the docs promised :(
<DemisM> what does the following command do? echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
<crimsun> VladDrac: that's because sarge is not in the same state as it was when the docs were written ;)
<VladDrac> odie: if it's .bin/.cue, get an iso out of it first (bchunk), then do a loopback mount
<crimsun> DemisM: it adds fglrx to the list of modules that are automatically loaded during boot
<topyli> DemisM: yes, they are built for ubuntu and should work
<topyli> DemisM: looks like it will add fglrx to the end of /etc/modules :)
<dave_> anyone know how to install .deb packages that are on my comp?
<syn-ack> dave_: man dpkg
<dave_> cool
<syn-ack> dave_: its one of the better manpages out there
<syn-ack> dave_: you may want to man 8 apt-get as well
<DemisM> the resolution program doesn't work The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available. How can I view my current resolution and or change it?
<Burgundavia> DemisM: most of universe is simply stuff from debian just rebuilt
<VladDrac>   ? Attempt to autodetect video hardware?                                    ?
<VladDrac> here we go again!
<Insom> what do i have to install in order to watch divx movies and listen to mp3s?
<jsgotangco> youll need codecs
<Insom> i know but witch ones?
<DemisM> or from where?
<Insom> where do i get them?
<jsgotangco> its not in the ubuntu repositories but elsewhere
<jsgotangco> hold on
<Insom> k
<Burgundavia> Insom: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
<jsgotangco> there
<jsgotangco> he beat me to it
<Burgundavia> oh
<Burgundavia> wiki is down right now
<jsgotangco> its borked
<Burgundavia> elmo is borking it right now
<Burgundavia> Insom: quick run through
<jsgotangco> you can try the marillat repositories
<Burgundavia> Insom: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
<Burgundavia> Insom: add that using synaptic
<Burgundavia> Insom: then seek out w32codecs
<Burgundavia> Insom: that will get you the codecs
<sabmoc> borkdy borkdy bork bork bork!!
<sabmoc> bork
<topyli> then burn them!
<Burgundavia> sabmoc: how dare you say that about my father
<sabmoc> Im sorry
<sabmoc> but someone had to say it
<odie5533> How do I mount a bin file?
<topyli> Burgundavia: don't shoot the messenger dude
<sabmoc> odie5533, mount a bin?
<odie5533> yes
<odie5533> bin/cue
<woodywarty> Does somebody know what  /etc/logrotate.d/squid  file do ?
<alavista> woodywarty: will rotate the squid log files
<woodywarty> Is the line:       squid -k reconfigure
<woodywarty> fine
<woodywarty> Or    squid -k rotate
<gruad> is it possible to re-run hardware detection on an already installed system
<KarlosII> good question
<Adross> i put forward the motion of changing the topic title to a hyerlink of 'RTFM' linking to google
<DemisM> when I try launcching totem movie player I get a resource busy or not available anybody know why or how to fix it?
<Adross> i get that too
<Adross> i can semi-fix it
<Adross> that is, use vlc
<DemisM> lol
<Adross> can play anything, with or without codecs
<DemisM> i can fix it, use xine
<Adross> meh, i still recommend vlc
<Adross> itunes on crack
<Quinn_Storm> ahem...while it doesn't play video, I will have to disagree, and say that amaroK is itunes on crack...vlc is just...good
<jsgotangco> vlc is very good
<jsgotangco> i really like amarok but i dont like the idea of downloading a lot of kde components just to run it
<mischa> question to anyone: i upgraded from warty to hoary on my del laptop. when i start x (xorg). it takes ages (5 min) for my gnome panel to come up and if i start any app it pops up with nothing inside and after 3 mins or so the inside of the app appears.....im clules about what is happening...
<Quinn_Storm> jsgotangco: well I run kde so...:-P  however I know what you mean.  I don't care as much as I'm on a nice broadband and have plenty of HD space, but if one or both of those aren't true, it can be a real pain if you prefer the other de
<jsgotangco> true
<Quinn_Storm> mischa: how much ram, what proc speed?
<mischa> 512 ram
<Quinn_Storm> mischa: ouch...you -should- be fine with that kind of ram...anyone have an idea?
<mischa> its an inspiro dell
<jsgotangco> it should be fast actually
<Quinn_Storm> yeah it should be plenty fast...(I also have 512mb ram on this box and pretty much never touch swap unless I have like 20 ffox tabs open or something)
<mischa> i know... the machine is not busy either
<mischa> it's just wiating....
<VladDrac> crap
<VladDrac> sarge->hoary == total failure
* VladDrac 's gonna add a comment "don't do it" to the howto
* VladDrac 's now running a gnome with crashing panels and crashing bugbuddies
<jsgotangco> my laptop only has 256MB Ram but its fast
<Quinn_Storm> VladDrac: yeah...its a much better idea to just go with an ubuntu fresh install, they use patched versions of a lot of stuff
<jsgotangco> yeah
<jsgotangco> it will crash
<jsgotangco> ubuntu has a lot of meta packages as well
<VladDrac> quinn: that's not really what people told me yesterday when I asked about the sarge->hoary upgrade (or downgrade as it turns out) :(
<Quinn_Storm> btw I just blew away my debian partition and gave ubuntu a bigger bit of space (5gb -> 20gb), its quite amazing how quickly reiserfs can copy a whole 3gb-worth of filesystem
<mischa> well....i think the fastest sissy solution will be to reinstall with a hoary install :(
<Quinn_Storm> mischa: unless you have a lot of stuff you can't back up, yeah, reinstall is the best idea I think
<Adross> resierfs is great for many small files
<mischa> yep, it's a clean lappie
<Adross> i still prefer ext3 though
<Adross> at least, right now
<VladDrac> Site error
<VladDrac> This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:
<VladDrac> Error Type
<VladDrac>     Fault
<VladDrac> great
<Quinn_Storm> Adross: so far reiser (3.6, haven't tried 4) has been nice and fast, and taken far less space then ext3
<VladDrac> everything's broken today
<Quinn_Storm> VladDrac: lol
<mischa> it's the laptop of my girlfriend. i want to use it for support at knight :)
<mischa> -K
* VladDrac 's trying to register at ubuntulinux.org to leave a comment.. guess negative input is not allowed :(
* VladDrac 's off to work, I'll deal with this broken system later
<Quinn_Storm> mischa: fortunately the ubuntu install is nice and smooth...and might I reccomend checking out kubuntu too (of course I'd say that given I'm a kde person)
<VladDrac> (and I'm really glad I didn't "upgrade" my office desktop yesterday)
<Quinn_Storm> mischa: if you like kde, and just use the regular ubuntu install, install kubuntu-desktop to get kde/kubuntu
<DemisM> what program do you guys recommend for mp3 playback?
<P3L|C4N0> XMMS
<topyli> DemisM: mp3 is not the issue, it's what sort of players you like
<Wildthing> xmms is like winamp
<DemisM> i liked winamp
<mischa> Quinn_Storm: i don't really care about the interface...:) i am a terminal dude anyway :)
<Wildthing> you play mp3s from terminal?
<P3L|C4N0> from bash?
<Quinn_Storm> DemisM: I prefer amaroK but I'm a kde person
<mischa> mpg123
<Wildthing> heh some things i need a gui for
<Quinn_Storm> mischa: you mean mpg321 :-P
<Wildthing> irc is one of em...
<Quinn_Storm> Wildthing: while I'm not a console person, irssi is quite nice for irc
<mischa> Quinn_Strom: :)
<DemisM> do any of the mozilla plugins work for firefox?
<Wildthing> so i hear...
<Wildthing> coming from mIRC, xchat is easier though
<Wildthing> it'd take me some time to learn irssi
<paulproteus> DemisM: Like flash-nonfree?  Yes.
<topyli> mischa: or mpd, which you can control from cli, gui, web...
<Wildthing> how long did it take u to learn irssi Quinn_Storm ?
<topyli> irssi can be learned in about 10 minutes
<Wildthing> and get it all configured?
<Quinn_Storm> Wildthing: it was pretty much right away, irssi is very simple, assuming you're used to using /join and such
<DemisM> is irssi only terminal based?
<Quinn_Storm> DemisM: yeah, use xchat, konversation, etc. for X11-irc
<Wildthing> yeah im used to /join and /part
<topyli> Wildthing: well, you'll start changing the default configuration only after using it for a while
<Wildthing> but i go on multiple servers/multiple channels, like browsing user names, etc.
<topyli> Wildthing: it has windowing for that
<Wildthing> what about dcc transfers/chats?
<topyli> sure
<topyli> hmm. not sure about file transfers. should work though
<Wildthing> mmm
<Wildthing> i'll give it a try sometime
<Wildthing> not tonight though
<Wildthing> for tonight, xchat shall remain in use
<DemisM> irssi is like ircII only prettier
<dwa_> irssi rules
<dwa_> it's also great if you're on different pc's all the time
<Wildthing> how so?
<dwa_> you can run it on one machine and pick it up from all the others
<topyli> Wildthing: basically, you need irssi when you ssh to your home box and have no gui. locally, you can use whatever
<Quinn_Storm> irssi is great for when you're installing a new distro and X doesn't work :-P
<dwa_> hehe true :)
<dwa_> Quinn_Storm : or when you're installing gentoo
<topyli> yeah
<Quinn_Storm> dwa_: I tend to try not to do things that silly
<dwa_> that's not silly, only a bit time consuming :)
<Insom> chatzilla?
<Quinn_Storm> dwa_: lol, I prefer (k)ubuntu by far
<Wildthing> i don't think i'll ever ssh to my home box
<Wildthing> i don't have sshd up
<topyli> Insom: well, i've seen that working too
<Insom> well im useing it and i like it
<topyli> Wildthing: then it's pretty sure you won't ssh in :)
<Insom> it works fine for me
<Quinn_Storm> chatzilla is too slow as far as I am concerned...all of xul seems to be
<Wildthing> wait...
<Wildthing> you can ssh and use IRC via ur home box?
<dwa_> yes
<Wildthing> serious?
<dwa_> you don't have to use ssh
<Wildthing> that's freaking awesome
<topyli> sure
<dwa_> irssi as something build in for that
<topyli> Wildthing: i never carry laptops around, they're silly. i find a box (any box) and connect to my home box
<Wildthing> heh i like my laptop
<dwa_> http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c10
<Wildthing> lab computer keyboards are icky
<topyli> Wildthing: for emergencies, i have putty on my phone :)
<dwa_> check that
<Wildthing> ROFL
<Wildthing> putty on the phone....now THAT is hardcore
<topyli> Wildthing: i have nethack too :)
<Wildthing> not familiar with it
<dwa_> not quite usable i guess :)
<dwa_> and that coming from the guy who's complaining about laptop keyboards ;)
<Wildthing> you can seriously ssh and use irssi like that?
<topyli> dwa_: it's ok. i have an old nokia communicator with a 80x25 screen and a full keyboard
<dwa_> Wildthing : yes
<Wildthing> would ssh handle windowing of the terminal n stuff that u have setup in irssi?
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: btw, on that phone, how laggy is the ssh connection?
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: it's painful :)
<sabmoc> Quinn_Storm, hey
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: I guessed as much, lol
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: the commie has a modem speed of about 1K
* topyli checks
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: heh, its really latency thats the big issue, IIRC, GSM/GPRS/etc tend to have very high latency (just a guess but I bet it can be as high as 1 or 2 seconds)
<garrut> what do i have to restart to change my hostname?
<Wildthing> lol i can imagine trying to type in all the commands on a touchtone phone...
<Kamion> Wildthing: irssi windowing works fine over ssh
<Wildthing> wow
<Wildthing> maybe i'll set something like that up
<Kamakazie> so does centericq
<Wildthing> do you just login as your root user? or do you setup an account just for ssh?
<Quinn_Storm> Wildthing: you can log in as any user you want
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: connection speed: 9600
<Kamakazie> you can slog in as any user
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: yeah, though like I said its the latency thats the big issue
<Wildthing> mmm
<Wildthing> dang
<Wildthing> i did not know you could do that
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: mostly, i just fetch and send email
<Kamakazie> i wish ssh supported multiple terminal emulation :(
<Kamion> Kamakazie: what do you mean?
<topyli> Kamakazie: use screen
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: if I had it (and a decent data plan) I'd look into writing IM clients for it and stuff
<DemisM> can I connect to my box from another computer, but with windows' remote connection program?
<Wildthing> anything else i should know you can do w/ linux/irc/etc. ?
<Kamakazie> i dont wanna use screen its easier to press ctr alt Fx
<Quinn_Storm> DemisM: no, there's no rdp server for linux.  however there is a nice rdp client (rdesktop)
<Quinn_Storm> DemisM: I know this b/c it was a very recent story on /.
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: i've tried ssh/irssi and i don't think it was that bad. the screen refresh was a bigger problem when text scrolls on a full screen
<garrut> does anyone what i have to restart to change my hostname?
<Kamakazie>    /.\
<Kamion> Kamakazie: as my fiancee says, "use screen and you'll go to heaven"
<Kamakazie>    /.    does not know all
<DemisM> do any of you know why I can't log out without my computer locking up?
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: interesting
<garrut> DemisM: i've had that since i enabled xcomposite
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: there's a lot of software for this phone. even vim and nethack :)
<randy> you can Control+Alt+F1
<DemisM> that doesn't work
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: doom too, but it didn't work form me
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: cool
<randy> i have to do that all the time b/c gnome never wants to finish logging out
<topyli> Quinn_Storm: but it's off topic. look here: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/phones/9210/
<Quinn_Storm> DemisM: sounds like a video driver problem if it hard-locks like that
<Quinn_Storm> topyli: cool, yeah, well back-on-topic ;)
<randy> in the latest .iso of hoary, how do you get rid of gksudo in all the apps
<username> in evolution, the contacts, there's an 'ldap' option. What's involved in setting this up?
<Wildthing> is evolution > thunderbird?
<membreya> username: establishing an ldap server?
<username> membreya, that's right.
<buzza> does any body have some to time to help me at all?
<buzza> problems with sudo
<ruffian> yea
<ruffian> what you need?
<ruffian> If i can help that is
<buzza> trying to reset the sudo root password
<buzza> doesn't seem to be happening
<caffinated> Wildthing: that's a hard comparison because evoltion is more than just a mail client
<Wildthing> it's more like outlook, right?
<caffinated> kinda
<ruffian> have you changed the root password before?
<buzza> my command is sudo passwd root
<buzza> no
<ruffian> ok
<ruffian> then when it askes for your password, enter your user password
<ruffian> and then it would promote for a new password
<buzza> but it seems to asking for a password, not for one to be entered on mine
<ruffian> see if that works
<pepsi> ?
<pepsi> oops
<caffinated> Wildthing: if you were to disregard all features except the mail end, i'd put them on fairly equal ground.
<buzza> i put in the command, then it returns with "Password:"
<Wildthing> mmm
<Wildthing> i'll stick with it then
<ruffian> buzza: Just put your current password
<Wildthing> man
<ruffian> buzza: The one you use to login to the system
<Wildthing> so far ubuntu has been so easy to do stuff with
<buzza> righto, give me a minute
<ruffian> alright
<randy> has anyone here tried the hoary 5.04 for amd64
<Wildthing> fc3 i had to do all this crap to get my intel wireless card, and vid card working
<DemisM> how do you guys get java
<ruffian> randy: I have heard, its hard to get 32 bit programs working
<DemisM> do you just get the jre from sun.java.com?
<buzza> thanks that worked.
<ruffian> buzza: No worries :)
<Nermal> DemisM, http://ubuntuguide.org/#fre
<Nermal> ffs
<buzza> I had tried that before, but must have did it wrong
<Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
<ruffian> Happend to me too
<buzza> this seems to unsecure
<randy> i've found that it's relatively easy to find replacement 64 bit packages
<Wildthing> lol beat me to it Nermal
<buzza> it's quite easy to chnage the password
<randy> for all the others i just compile the source
* Nermal leaps on catch-_ and smothers him with kisses
<catch-_> ello!!!
<Wildthing> DemisM, if you want to use jdk, there is also a jre directory inside of jdk
<catch-_> Am busy at work as you can see Nermal :)
<Wildthing> so you would do something like jdk-1.5.../jre/bin
<Wildthing> rather than the lines listed there
<ruffian> Ok, I need some help my self
<Nermal> buzza, howso?
<ruffian> I cant seem to get the sound working
<membreya> you're scaring me Nermal :P
<Nermal> :)
<catch-_>  Hi, I'm trying to setup webdav for subversion to authenticate
<catch-_>           against our windows2003 AD. I already have ssh and terminal logins
<catch-_>           working against winbind (was using it for CVS) but I can't seem to
<catch-_>           get apache2 to authenticate against it. The logs seems to indicate
<catch-_>           that it's not even trying. I've got auth_pam_module in httpd.conf
<catch-_>           and was wondering if anyone had any experience or could point me in
<catch-_>           the right direction, I've tried google without much luck
<buzza> well, with such easy commands, couldn't anyone get inside a linux system and change the password?
* Nermal hands out the flood wellies
<ruffian> buzza: But first they have to login...wouldn't they?
* membreya paddles his kayak and beats the rest of the chan off :P
<Nermal> catch-_, #apache :)
<catch-_> yeah, i copied and pasted it from another chan that i asked in, and didn't get a responce
<insanus> any guide to learn and configure grub?
<catch-_> #apache is empty ;)
<Nermal> :)
<Nermal> 167 people there atm
<Seveas> insanus, try the grub manual :)
<caffinated> membreya: you know, in the wrong frame of mind, that could be ... a very bad thing to say ;)
<catch-_> sorry i checked #apache2
<catch-_> :|
<ruffian> The sound server is working, i Have installed the mp3 codecs...yet no sound when i am playing songs through xmms
<membreya> lol caffinated :P
<ruffian> Any suggestion?
<Nermal> try not to paste that in there, join the lines up :|
<catch-_> going to
<Nermal> ruffian, umm. .check that xmms is using the right output plugin ?
<Nermal> do you get sound in something like rhythmbox ?
<ruffian> Yes i have tired all the diff output pulgins
<ruffian> rhythmbox won't play mp3
<Nermal> catch-_, or just do "any guides for getting apache to authenticate with PAM?"
<topyli> ruffian: that can be cured
<topyli> ruffian: install gstreamer0.8-mad
<ruffian> topyli: Why wouldn't it work on xmms though? Which output plugins are you guyz using for XMMS?
<ruffian> topyli: I tired doing gstreamer0.8-mad, but apt-get can't seem to find it?
<ruffian> I read something about respostitary
<ruffian> but nothing is greyed out
<topyli> ruffian: it's in universe or multiverse
<membreya> ruffian: www.ubuntuguide.org
<ruffian> membreya: Yes, i read taht
<membreya> ruffian: read the bit that says about repos :)
<Nermal> ruffian, yeah, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
<Nermal> uncomment the universe lines and add restricted and multiverse too
<ruffian> ok
<DemisM> if i have a directory and I want to put it inside another directory how do I do it
<membreya> mv
<DemisM> yes i know but ofr example i have a /directory and i want to put it in /usr/local/ so that it is then /usr/local/directory
<DemisM> i don't just want to move the contents of /directory
<Nermal> so don't put the end / and *
<Nermal> ie: mv /directory /usr/local/ not mv /directory/* /usr/local/
<membreya> sudo :P
<Wildthing> lol
<Nermal> *slap*
<Wildthing> oops
<Wildthing> =P
<membreya> *purrr*
<P3L|C4N0> xD
<DemisM> is just having sudo better than having a root acct?
<membreya> less chance of screwing up
<ruffian> Nermal: Thank you, it's downloading and installing it now :)
<cjpangilinan> what can you say about BEATRIX?
<DemisM> k cool...
<ruffian> brb
<Wildthing> what does compsiting do?
<topyli> cjpangilinan: very pretty
<membreya> Wildthing: composting allows you to recycle your garden clippings into mulch
<Wildthing> compositing
<membreya> :P
<Wildthing> as shown on ubuntuforums
<cjpangilinan> what's the difference of that in ubuntu?
<topyli> cjpangilinan: no idea. i was just kidding because of the name. looking at the home page now though
<Nermal> ruffian, splendid
<ruffian> The sound is still not working...I think i need to configure the sound card or something
<ruffian> but i am not sure how to do that
<crimsun> ruffian: which sound card?
<ruffian> It's built into the motherboard
<ruffian> just the onboard one
<Nermal> ruffian, thats not helpful. lspci
<crimsun> ruffian: please paste lsmod and lspci output onto http://pastebin.ca
<ruffian> ok
<ruffian> done
<ruffian> here: http://pastebin.ca/8048
<VladDrac> ruffian: what kind of system do you have?
<ruffian> AMD64, Asrock k8 motherboard
<ruffian> more info?
<VladDrac> ah ok, not a laptop
<crimsun> grr, my route to pastebin.ca is dead
<ruffian> no, desktop
<crimsun> ruffian: same info to http://pastebin.com, please?
<ruffian> ok
<deltaex> 84
<ruffian> Is pastebin.com down?
<ruffian> It doesn't seem to load
<crimsun> ruffian: no worries, I'm using a shell to read pastebin.ca
<ruffian> ok :)
<crimsun> ruffian: ok, and output of amixer
<ruffian> ok
<ruffian> http://pastebin.ca/8049
<ruffian> there you go
<crimsun> ruffian: are you using line-out?
<ruffian> crimsun: You mean the speacker connection?
<crimsun> right, which speaker connection?
<ruffian> Yes, it's fine. Sound is working perfect under windows
<crimsun> ruffian: but which output?
<crimsun> ruffian: spdif or analog line-out?
<ruffian> crimsun: i don't understand what that means? Is there anyway i can check?
<DemisM> is there a nice way of fixing the icons on the desktop and freezing them?
<crimsun> ruffian: are you using the digital surround output or the analog speaker output?
<ruffian> crimsun: I am quite sure it's analog
<crimsun> DemisM: secondary-click, choose "Clean Up by Name", and select "Keep Aligned" ?
<deltaex> german channel?
<DemisM> crimsun, I mean to an order I give them
<crimsun> ruffian: ok.  Have you tried playing a .wav file?  aplay -Dplughw:0,0 some.wav
<admin0> what is the diff between ubuntu and kubuntu ?  gnome vs kde ?
<ruffian> crimsun: I will give that ago
<crimsun> admin0: ubuntu and kubuntu are two distros that use the same base, but yes, their desktops are gnome and kde, respectively.
<admin0> :)
<admin0> thanks crimsun
<crimsun> np
<admin0> i am using ubuntu now
<admin0> and use it @home and office
<mlambie> how can i manage my password with gnome-keyring?
<membreya> hmm with a 200gb harddrive, how would you split it for a normal user? (i want seperate partitions for each normal directory)
<johns^> why/
<johns^> ?
<maddler> morning all
<ruffian> crimsun: Nope it won't play .wav files either. I have also tired System -> Preference -> Sound -> Sound Events and play
<topyli> deltaex: #ubuntu-de should be there
<crimsun> ruffian: what do you mean by "won't play"?
<crimsun> ruffian: does aplay hang?
<admin0> membreya,  / - 8gb, /usr - 16gb /var - 4gb  swap -- 2gb  rest /home :)
<crimsun> ruffian: does it appear to play but gives no sound?
<ruffian> crimsun: Sorry. I am no sound
<membreya> ta admin0 :)
<admin0> if server, set /var to 8 or 16gb depending on what u use it for
<ruffian> yes
<admin0> if you don't want too much space on /home, u can divide that to /usr/local etc
<crimsun> ruffian: is this with hoary?
<ruffian> crimsun: It appears to play, but no sound
<membreya> admin0: just a normal desktop.. I will give about 1 - 1.5gb for squid
<ruffian> crimsun: Yes. Ubuntu 5.04
<crimsun> ruffian: let me check something.
<ruffian> crimsun: sure
<admin0> give more for squid :)
<membreya> more? :| really?
<admin0> cache everything, meaning all the binaries and etc and run in offline mode.
<admin0> gives you an ultra fast squid
<admin0> well, make your var 16 gb then :)
<membreya> admin0: or just turn logging off :P
<admin0> so that it has squid, qmail, jabber etc etc that you might want to play with
<membreya> admin0: not quite ready to play with mail servers :P
<admin0> games ?
<membreya> admin0: don't play them :)
<membreya> especially since I can only get 400-500fps in glxgears :|
<admin0> hmm.. then don't use all the disk, and perhaps dual-boot to windows etc
<membreya> well I play crack-attack :P
<membreya> admin0: I currently have 40gb of music vids.. I "collect" downloads :P
<admin0> :)
<crimsun> ruffian: I think you need a newer version of ALSA
<admin0> root/ - 8gb, swap - 2gb ,  /usr - 16gb  /var - 8 gb  /home rest of the space
<admin0> on /home, make   /home/squid to host squid, and /home/vids or whatever you want for your vids
<crimsun> ruffian: cat /proc/asound/cards
<ruffian> crimsun: ok
<admin0> in that way, you are not running out of space :)
<ruffian> guest@bdzone:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
<ruffian> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
<ruffian>                      SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xe000, irq 18
<admin0> i have a dual boot system, ubuntu for everything, xp for games, macromedia, phtoshop and others that i can't do on ubuntu
<membreya> sounds good to me, thanks admin0 :)
<admin0> tried wine+macromedia, but did not worked too good.. trying to get crossover
<maccorin> i just upgraded to hoary, gotta give you devs credit, it's quite an improvement
<crimsun> ruffian: yup.
<crimsun> ruffian: hmm.
<maccorin> so... ty
<maccorin> ;)
<ruffian> crimsun: So how do i update ALSA?
<admin0> if you go on the server side,  add /usr/local, /tmp  and /boot ..    rest remains the same
<deltaex> german channel?
<admin0> what are good games that I can play in ubuntu ?
<membreya> admin0: crack-attack ..barrage..supertux :)
<crimsun> ruffian: hmm, first you'll have to patch alsa-source
<membreya> oh and frozen-bubble :)
<crimsun> ruffian: let's see...
<admin0> url's ?
<membreya> admin0: apt-get :)
<dvsdude> admin0 ut2004 enemy territory armagetron quake
<ondar> hello, i have one problem with k3b, i can't burn cdaudio, i think i tis becuase i havn't got a neccesary dep. somebody could tell me the package name?
<admin0> no mummy-maze ;) ?
<ruffian> crimsun: ok. Is there any tutorial somewhere that you know of?
<crimsun> ruffian: make sure you have universe repo enabled, then: sudo aptitude install fakeroot build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
<ruffian> crimsun: ok. give me a sec
<admin0> hi, i got a dvd/cdrw combo here.. how do I play my dvd's ?
<admin0> totem ?
<membreya> dvsdude: where can I get quake? :D
<membreya> wait..it's open source now
<membreya> compile it myself :)
<ruffian> crimsun: Its downloading, something things now :)
<ondar> somebody could help me with k3b?
<dvsdude> sorry not os but linux version is there gnu/linux is free as in freedom not free beer
<ruffian> crimsun: Installation done. What do i do now?
<admin0> dvsdude, i think i played fps too much .. right now, i am playing farcry and prince: sands of time , and ut2004 on windows..   for linux, are there good games that are not fps ?
<jsgotangco> bye bye god bless
<crimsun> ruffian: I need to generate a patched tarball for you; give me about 10 minutes, please
<admin0> casino games, board games, startegies etc ?
<ruffian> crimsun: Sure. Btw are you one of ubuntu developers?
<crimsun> ruffian: in the meantime, sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
<gilles> hi
<Snelda> Hello.
<crimsun> ruffian: say "no" to PnP, "yes" to debug code, and choose the intel8x0 driver
<dvsdude> admin0 planeshift
<crimsun> ruffian: (no, I'm not, but I'm one of the universe maintainers)
<admin0> hey btw, is there a way i can sync the clieNX70 pda with ubuntu ?
<topyli> crimsun: does your business card say "master of the universe"? mine would :)
<membreya> admin0: use ogle to watch DVDs :)
<crimsun> topyli: hehe
<gilles> the wifi doesn't work on an ASUS Z8GP30 with my integrated wifi card, but works with a pccard, also there a "push" button to activate the wifi on the laptop, i think it doesn't work because it's not activated by default. What can I do ?
<ruffian> crimsun: do i unselect all?
<crimsun> ruffian: select only intel8x0  (_not_ intel8x0m)
<ruffian> yes i did that
<ruffian> but do i unselect all? becuase by default it's selected
<crimsun> ruffian: yes, unselect all but intel8x0
<Snelda> Hey everyone, I've never used ubuntu and am downloading now.  Does it use the same installer as debian?
<crimsun> Snelda: it uses a modified version of the Sarge installer
<membreya> admin0: looking up ogle yet? :P
<ruffian> crimsun: Done
<Snelda> crimsun: I was trying ubuntu because Debian's installer hangs on my system
<admin0> downloadinv via syn
<crimsun> ruffian: please hold.
<Snelda> (sorry, i didnt finish my message... wasnt done typing)
<ruffian> Snelda: I think it's modified
<ruffian> crimsum: Sure
<admin0> ok..how do I install gdesklets in ubuntu ? those nice gui's that i see displayed on screenshots on fedora and other distros
<gilles> How can I activate the wifi on an Asus laptop (i just have a push button), I mean having the wifi led on ?
<topyli> Snelda: if you're lucky, it will play nicer with your hardware than debian-installer. or maybe not
<Snelda> It would always hang at "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK' for about 15 or 20 minutes.  Once I get to partitioning, the same thing happens (takes about 10 minutes to get to 2 percent)
<admin0> btw, when is the next release of ubuntu ?
<admin0> any place where we can suggest what features we want to see ?
<ruffian> crimsum: 14th April i think
<ruffian> typo
<Kamion> 6 April, and the time for new feature requests was a couple of months ago
<topyli> admin0: i believe it's frozen
<Kamion> there are lots of idea-pool-type pages on the wiki, though, and there's the mailing lists
<Snelda> anyone have any suggestions by chance...  :/   I'm using an ABIT A8N-SLI Deluxe (AMD64) and 4 good SATA drives (a 74gb raptor and a few larger drives)
<black_Nightmare> hey there
<Roben> Hi. Need help with XMMS. I'm using Hoary. And everytime I try to start XMMS it crashes. This is what I get up in the terminal: libmp4v2.so.0: kan inte ppna delad objektfil: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
<Roben> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
<Roben> Anyone knows what i wrong?
<crimsun> Roben: are you using the nvidia binary-only drivers?
<Roben> is
<Roben> don't know.
<crimsun> Roben: sudo aptitude install libmikmod2
<Roben> Iv'e got libmikmod2
<crimsun> Roben: it's a glibc problem and is fixed already, just awaiting upload
<crimsun> Roben: do you have libesd0, too?
<Roben> wait a sec.
<crimsun> ruffian: still working.
<Roben> crimsun: yes i do.
<ruffian> crimsun: No problem. I really appreciate you going out of your way to help me
<Roben> crimsun: I've got the nvidia binary too.
<crimsun> Roben: ok, then you'll have to wait for the glibc update, which should be up later this afternoon
<Roben> thank you very much!
<crimsun> Roben: (assuming you use hoary)
<Roben> yes,
<Roben> i do.
<Roben> crimsun: thank you so much. bye!
<gilles> How to detect special buttons of  keyboard (like this that activate the wifi, put on/off the volume...) ?
<looksaus> hi, I have a problem with epiphany and printing
<looksaus> I must admit this is on a Debian system
<looksaus> but I'm trying to avoid the rudeness in #debian
<looksaus> by coming here
<looksaus> it's quite strange
<looksaus> every gnome app seems to be able to print
<looksaus> just not epiphany
<liraz> How similar is gnopppix to ubuntu/ what someone using gnoppix be able to get support from an ubuntu user?
<looksaus> no really useful output in /var/log
<looksaus> I'm using cups with a jetdirect-enabled HP printer
<crimsun> ruffian: just to check, what is the output of: dpkg -l alsa-source|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
<ruffian> crimsun: give me a sec
<looksaus> any suggestions on where to check?
<inetizen> how do i share files between ubuntu and xp pro on a network
<ruffian> crimsun: guest@bdzone:~$ dpkg -l alsa-source|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
<ruffian> 1.0.8-4ubuntu3
<inetizen> i dont see samba
<crimsun> ruffian: ok.
<psh1> hi guys, I've copied a load of mp3's that I'd backed up on cd's. but on my laptop, they're unreadable/playable
<psh1> how can I change the permissions properly?
<crimsun> ruffian: ok, I'm test-building.  Sec.
<ruffian> crimsun: ok :)
<DragoraN> hi
<dcf> hi
<DragoraN> please.. i want to compile reiser4 support into kernel, but in menuconfig i dont see reiser4 support in filesystems (2.6.11.5 kernel)
<Kamion> reiser4 is still a third-party patch
<crimsun> ruffian: ok, it's a fairly invasive change, and it doesn't apply cleanly to alsa-source
<crimsun> ruffian: so it's going to take a bit more work
<gilles> Why Hotkeys isn't integrated by default to ubuntu ?
<ruffian> crimsun: I am up for it
<crimsun> ruffian: uname -r
<ruffian> crimsun: 2.6.10-5-386
<DragoraN> Kamion: where can i find it?
<crimsun> ruffian: unfortunately the changes are in cvs, which means they'll make it in for upstream 1.0.9, but I don't know if they'll make it into universe in time for Hoary's release.
<Kamion> DragoraN: no idea, if you really need reiser4 I figure you should know :)
<DragoraN> Kamion: :)
<ruffian> crimsun: Ok. Honestly i can live without sound for few days. But in the future would i have to go through all this again?
<psh1> nobody know how to change the permissions? I change them, then play a song, but then the song wont play again
<ruffian> crimsun: To make sound work that is
<crimsun> ruffian: I hope not, but then again, we haven't tested if the fix works for you.
<crimsun> ruffian: one sec.
<ruffian> crimsun: Sure
<fridge> anyone know the package that provides, eg man 3 printf?
<crimsun> fridge: sudo apt-get install manpages-dev
<fridge> thanks champ
<crimsun> np
<crimsun> ruffian: ok, test-building a less invasive solution :)
<ruffian> crimsun: Whatever that means :)
<ruffian> crimsun: Thank you
<woodywarty> Can someone help to figure out Qmail to make it a Virtual Mail Server for my System internal users
<rask> how does this work
<crimsun> rask: how do you mean?
<rask> everything :-) mostly the rules for what can be said here, and what is this , i am obviously a newbie both to linux and this...
<HappyPills> Does Ubuntu have a keyboard shortcut set up to switch desktops by default?
<crimsun> you can configure one, or roll your mouse wheel over the pager
<HappyPills> ctrl-alt-right
<HappyPills> coolies
<rask> is there anybody who can help me getting my usb-harddrive to work?
<crimsun> rask: this is a general support channel, so basically the only rule is to respect the Code of Conduct (CoC).
<crimsun> rask: I presume you've plugged in your HD and powered it on?
<rask> of course...
<crimsun> rask: has a disk drive icon appeared on your desktop?
<rask> nope, but the device manager finds a store device
<rask> storage...
<crimsun> rask: is this a brand-new usb HD?
<crimsun> rask: or does it already have information on it?
<rask> its new, but not clean, a ntfs partition, and I find it when I boot from the liveCD
<markybob> i cant log into ubuntolinux.org.  anyone else having that problem right now?
<Myrtti> ubuntulinux.org?
<St0n3-C0l> markybob: NOpes
<Myrtti> works fine with me
<deFrysk> o=u
<crimsun> rask: ok, open a Terminal
<markybob> yes, mistyped.
<rask> yes
<markybob> had a few jack and cokes.  bare with me :)
<crimsun> markybob: maintenance work was being done on it earlier, no idea if it's ongoing.
<markybob> crimsun, i see.  thanks for the heads up
<lupusBE> does openldap use a lot of memory?
<St0n3-C0l> Is Hoary works Stably ?
<crimsun> rask: ok, now you need to make a mountpoint
<crimsun> rask: something like /media/windows
<St0n3-C0l> Does*
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, officially no
<rask> what is a mountpoint? and what commands?
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, for me yes
<St0n3-C0l> I am asking for people's experiences :P
<Sirinus> Hmm..can anyone point me towards a how-to/tutorial on authenticating ubuntu logins against a macosx 10.3 LDAP server?
<gholen> HI! I about to install ubuntu warty 4.10 on a acer laptop, but how do i load the module thats finds an configs my infrared device?
<ruffian> rask: it's basicly making a directory
<rask> thanks
<crimsun> rask: sudo mkdir /media/windows
<ruffian> rask: try mkdir /media/windows
<Roben> StOn3-COl: No. I don't think it is as stable as Warty.
<rask> done that
<crimsun> rask: now, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/sda1 /media/windows
<St0n3-C0l> Can Warty Users get their gnome updated from Ubuntu repos ?
<crimsun> St0n3-C0l: when they dist-upgrade to Hoary, absolutely.
<rask> that worked!
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, udated as in upgraded ?
<rask> thanks a bunch...
<crimsun> rask: np
<St0n3-C0l> deFrysk: Only gnome :P
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, yould be safer to do a dist-upgrade then I think
<St0n3-C0l> I heard we can use Debian repos in Ubuntu
<St0n3-C0l> is that true ?
<St0n3-C0l> it will work or not ?
<Seveas> St0n3-C0l, of course you CAN, but whether you SHOULD do that.....
<Seveas> most debain stuff is in ubuntu repos too
<crimsun> St0n3-C0l: generally speaking, it's a bad idea to mix in external repos
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, you can but its not supported , better to use universe and multiverse
<St0n3-C0l> hmm
<Seveas> St0n3-C0l, are you looking for a specific app?
<St0n3-C0l> nah
<St0n3-C0l> thinking to download Hoary :P
<St0n3-C0l> I was using Debian Sarge till now
<Seveas> you should, works like a charm :)
<gholen> Is there support for IrDa (e.g LIRC)  in ubuntu?
<kent> how long have the gnome 2.x releases been around?  Its been here for a long time now, right?
<St0n3-C0l> I used Warty and saw there was very old softs in their repos
<St0n3-C0l> thats why I left using it
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, install it and let us know what you think :)
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, and if you are an kde addict get kubuntu
<Seveas> gholen, there is support for irda: apt-get install irda-utils
<Seveas> modprobe irda will help too :)
<St0n3-C0l> I will give you fair comments about Ubuntu leaving their repos :P
<St0n3-C0l> nah :P
<St0n3-C0l> Gnome
<St0n3-C0l> :>
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, my man :D
<Seveas> gnome >> kde
<St0n3-C0l> kde >> gnome
<St0n3-C0l> :P
<Seveas> (i.e.: gnome is strictly better than kde)
<St0n3-C0l> ohh
<njan> gnome > * >> kde
<St0n3-C0l> :P
<Seveas> imnsho
<Seveas> lol njan :)
<njan> :)
<St0n3-C0l> I thought u're saying that I was using gnome then i moved to kde
<St0n3-C0l> :P
<Seveas> sometimes fluxbox >> gnome
<Seveas> (on the universities crappy old sparcs)
<deFrysk> candystore kde
<deFrysk> bad for your teeth
<mjr> Seveas, crappy old sparcs make decent X terminals ;P
<St0n3-C0l> deFrysk: There's no firefox for Ubuntu ?
<Seveas> mjr, definitely :)
<deFrysk> St0n3-C0l, ubuntu uses firefox by def. in ubuntu
<Seveas> St0n3-C0l, firefox is the default browser for Ubuntu
<Seveas> hey
<Echylo> hmm
<Seveas> that's my line :p
<deFrysk> its part of the gnome2.10 package
<Echylo> is grumpy gonna be a sort of media centre or not?
<St0n3-C0l> lol
<Echylo> cause when i read objectives it doesn't looks like
<Seveas> Echylo, grumpy is gonna be the codename for a rolling unstable (that's what i heard at least)
<deFrysk> Seveas, he asked ME danget ;p
<Seveas> the next ubuntu will be Breezy Badger
<mjr> Badger Badger Badger
<Echylo> I see
<Seveas> mushroom mushroom!
<mjr> the one after that simply must be Slithery Snake
<Seveas> lol
<deFrysk> farty skunk would be a nice rel.
<Seveas> stinku skunk
<Seveas> stinky*
<mjr> hmm
<Seveas> yay!, ./configure && make finally succeeded, /me is gone :)
<mjr> "Try the all new stinky release of Ubuntu", yes, that works
<membreya> hmmm im really liking kubuntu :)
<deFrysk> membreya, /j #kubuntu ;p
<membreya> lol :P
<moshii> where can I find kompmgr?
<membreya> not as many people :P
<deFrysk> membreya, wonder why ;p
<membreya> shush :P
<deFrysk> :x
<membreya> only problem with it ..even running 1152x864 everything is cluttered :)
<mjr> well, that's kde for you ;)
<deFrysk> cluttered bloat
<mjr> (sorry, I'll go away now :)
<suoko> hi there
<membreya> deFrysk: pretty bloat :)
<deFrysk> membreya, yes
<deFrysk> membreya, till you'v had enough
<moshii> people that bitch kde are generally idiots
<D-G> 0_o
<deFrysk> moshii, yes , but smart idiots
<D-G> hi all
<membreya> moshii: I ain't bitchin it :P
<suoko> I have a question about services: I tryed disabling evms through sysvconf deselecting it but at boot it loads anyway.
<agenteo> hi, inserting this new USB key nothing happens... the older one was correctly auto-mounted... this one is not even showed in syslog and messages logs... someone has a suggestion?
<catch-_> .whois D-G
<catch-_> erk
<agenteo> ubuntu warty standard kernel
<mjr> deFrysk, or smartasses
<moshii> deFrysk: how so? the reasons they give are mostly "it's bloated", um what about X, um every other desktop, ah shit agrument falls down there
<woodywarty> Well I have installed Qmail, what is the first step to start it using the IP 192.168.1.100
<deFrysk> could someone make an #ubuntu-flame channel to get rid of some energy/steam ?
<D-G> catch  ?:)
<ruffian> crimsun is a legend everyone :D
<Seveas> deFrysk, just join the channel
<crimsun> pshah
<ruffian> bye
<St0n3-C0l> .es belongs to ?
<crimsun> cya
<catch-_> sorry thought you might be someone i knew so did a whois on you
<Seveas> spain?
<D-G> i need help... im newbie in linux :) so.. how to know what version i have /
<membreya> meep
<deFrysk> uname -r
<St0n3-C0l> uname -a
<moshii> D-G: uname -r
<membreya> that's a BAD button
<crimsun> D-G: cat /etc/issue
<D-G> tnx
<St0n3-C0l> cat /etc/issue
<St0n3-C0l> :P
<deFrysk> and what crimsun said of course
<St0n3-C0l> I'll make my issue :P
<D-G> 2.6.10-4-386.... where can i get c compiler for this version ? :)
<deFrysk> cat your issue here please
<moshii> does anyone know if kompmgr is packaged for ubuntu? seems a bit of a waste of time hacking ubuntu's xorg onto my sid without it ;)
<suoko> I'm trying to disable evms cause it randomly hangs at boot time...
<membreya> moshii: kompmgr is in kubuntu
<suoko> it's probably a bug.
<St0n3-C0l> kubuntu is also of Ubuntu ?
<moshii> membreya: is kubuntu similar enough to debian that it isn't going to screw stuff up?
<deFrysk> cannonical
<deFrysk> -n
<membreya> moshii: it's ubuntu with KDE as its WM
<deFrysk> kubuntu is to attract the mepis/mandrake users
<moshii> membreya: ah, I just want the package.. It doesn't seem to be part of the semi-offical debian kde 3.4 packages or ubuntu's
<D-G> i wrote sudo apt-get install gftp
<D-G> but there is writin that there is no packages =[
<catch-_> D-G check the package exists, aptitude search gftp
<membreya> D-G: www.ubuntuguide.org check that you have all repositories enabled
<D-G> im there
<D-G> an im tryin thoose commands
<D-G> becuz i installed just now ubuntu
<D-G> :)
<D-G> and im noob in linux =[
<deFrysk> D-G, good for you :)
<D-G> :)
<moshii> membreya: that kubuntu-desktop package doesn't half depend on a lot of shit ;)
<catch-_> D-G look in package.. It doesn't seem to be part of
<Burgundavia> moshii: then tell the kubuntu people about it
<catch-_> erk
<D-G> where can i look ?
<catch-_> look in ..
<catch-_>  /etc/apt/sources.list
<D-G> ok
<suoko> can anybody help me?
<suoko> better say, explain me...
<scizzo> suoko: could you tell us what your problem is maybe?
<gholen> suoko: the problem is?
<deFrysk> suoko, 392 are logged in so who knows ?
<suoko>  I'm trying to disable evms cause it randomly hangs at boot time...
<suoko> I have a question about services: I tryed disabling evms through sysvconf deselecting it but at boot it loads anyway.
<gholen> souko: you shold take a look in the ubuntu giude. http://www.ubuntuguide.org
<markybob> suoko, update-rc.d -f evms remove ...heh
<suoko> I also tried rcconf but there evms doen't appear
<D-G> catch-_,
<markybob> suoko, so do what i suggested.  man i'm drunk.
<D-G> is there anybody who has dc++ on linux ? :)0
<suoko> markybob: I'm going to try right now...
<puppet> gah
<Roben> D-G: Not at the moment but I did before. Though I never got it to work right ;)
<puppet> why doesnt GnomeMeeting work :(
<D-G> :)
<D-G> i need some sharing program
<D-G> :>
<suoko> what about the way I tyed disabling it with sysvconf, was that worng?
<markybob> suoko, debian and debian derivatives use update-rc.d...that's just life.
<deFrysk> D-G, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/x11/amule
<D-G> L(
<D-G> ok
<deFrysk> D-G, iow apt-get install amule if you have universe enabled
<suoko> thanks a lot.
<D-G> i gto this hoary new
<D-G> :)
<Burk> hello there
<D-G> sorry for my grammar im from latvia
<D-G> :)
<markybob> where's latvia?
<deFrysk> welkome to the E.U.
<Burk> guys, what would you advise as development tool? anjuta or eclipse?
<fridge> vi
<fridge> and make
<D-G> latvia is near the baltic sea
<Burk> lol
<gholen> D-G: I from sweden, an my grammar s**ks
<D-G> :))
<D-G> gholen cool
<D-G> :)
<Amaranth> Burk: I do all my stuff in gedit and gazpacho. :)
<Burk> gazpacho...what's it?
* deFrysk is from holland and my grammar is ever so cool
<markybob> i'm a sailor...traveled the world and never heard of latvia.  that's neat.
<Roben> D_G Why don't u just get Azureus?
<gholen> D-G: you are not alone in that matter
<D-G> roben what is that ?
<deFrysk> Roben, azureus is a chore for newbs
<D-G> im noob 0-o
<Roben> D-G A bittorrent client. Do you got java installed?
<gholen> D-G: you think I cool?! :D
<Seveas> deFrysk, your from Frisland, the most retarded part of holland (me now runs and hides :))
<D-G> roben i thing so
<Roben> DG: ok.
<Burk> mmm...I'd like a serious ide, with templates and all the other cool features..
<deFrysk> Seveas, you #$@& ;p
<Roben> D-G: you could read about how bittorent works in http://www.slyck.org
<Burk> looks like choice is between eclipse and anjuta, the first being more complicated, the second still alpha
<D-G> tnx
<Roben> D-G: Do you got Hoary?
<deFrysk> Roben, for the usual filesharing for nood on ubuntu amule is easyer
<deFrysk> nood = noob
<deFrysk> alhough I have no clue how to run amule (never used it)
<Roben> deFrysk: I've never ever used amule. I mean, Azureus isn't so hard.
<D-G> roben yep
<deFrysk> Roben, ok
<Burk> uh..found several threads on ubuntu linux forums..I'll take a look there ;)
<membreya> hey guys...figured out what's been crashing my PC :)
<Roben> D-G: ok. I think there is a guide in http.//ubuntuguide.org on how to install azureus. It's easierif you read from there, because i don't remember everything.
<Roben> D-G: then you just could go to any bittorrent site on the net, ex: http://piratebay.org or http:www.mininova.org
<Roben> and start your'e downloading.
<deFrysk> Roben, no spamming illegal sites here
<HappyPills> hmm... is there anyway to make openoffice generate smaller pdf files?
<HappyPills> a one page file should not be 220 kb
<membreya> HappyPills: you DO know that a PDF is essentially an image?
<Roben> D-G: but I think there is a bittorrent program installed by default in Hoary. It's lying in the meny under Internet>>gnome bittorrent.
<Roben> deFrysk: How could they possible be illegal?
<HappyPills> yes, but I have used other programs that makes it a much lower quality image, but still ideal for printing
<HappyPills> say, 20-30kb instead of 200-300
<markybob> membreya, i'd like to see you searching through an image.
<HappyPills> pdf files can be made to do a lot of things =P
* mjr guesses that openoffice puts the font you used in the pdf file as well, increasing the size
<HappyPills> yes, that is what I am guessing at
<mjr> (might be circumventable by using some font that pdf readers are assumed to have, but *shrug*)
<markybob> fonts have nothing to do with pdf
<calc> adobe acrobat itself has many options for writing pdfs including putting the fonts in the pdf itself
<mjr> markybob, as a matter of fact, they do
<calc> perhaps oo.o has some way to configure that as well
* calc bbl
<HappyPills> I'm saving it as a .doc for now (14kb) until I find the shrinkage button in OO
<membreya> does ubuntu have nvidia-glx for 2.6.10-1 yet?
<tomi12619> re
<markybob> membreya, just make sure you do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after installing nvidia-glx
<tomi12619> which kind of boot tool has got the ubuntu?
<membreya> tomi12619: grub
<tomi12619> lilo or grub or both?
<tomi12619> just the grub?
<membreya> oooo, 2.6.10-5 is there :)
<deFrysk> grub by default
<markybob> tomi12619, you can apt-get install lilo if you seriously want to.  dont know why you would.
<HappyPills> hmm... the help for OO mentions that it can export as a small file size for viewing/printing... however OO itself seems to be missing the option =(
<tomi12619> i see
<tomi12619> markybob: i have az interesting prob.
<markybob> tomi12619, i believe you.  we all do.  i need to get laid, for instance.
<tomi12619> i ve a 300mhz intel celeron computer with 6G winchester
<tomi12619> i installed an uhu (hungarian) linux, a debian-sarge
<tomi12619> and the same problem occure...
<tomi12619> 'error 18'
<markybob> tomi12619, not familiar with that setup. sorry
<deFrysk> 18 is usually an architecture problem.
<deFrysk> Try changing the Disk to "LBA" and see what happens.
<deFrysk> cut and pasted from http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=1&threadid=303451
<tomi12619> LBA? what is it?
<deFrysk> a bios setting
<deFrysk> for hdrives
<deFrysk> read the link, perhaps it helps
<Burk> cu guys
<deFrysk> tomi12619,, also ask in #grub , perhaps they know what to do
<benjanet> will beagle be included in hoary ?
<Funraiser> found something interesting: to found torrents type all the following in google: nameofthefileyoulookfor type:torrent
<markybob> benjanet, i'd bet not.
<HappyPills> to restart samba do I just type smbd again?
<benjanet> markybob, thanks :p
<markybob> HappyPills, /etc/init.d/samba restart
<HappyPills> thanks
<HappyPills> that makes more sense
<Tomcat__> Can Ubuntu use a DLink USB WLAN stick?
<tom_neo> s/Ubuntu/linux/
<tom_neo> Tomcat_: that's in no way a ubuntu-question
<Seveas> benjanet, no, they are trying that for Breezy (the next version)
<markybob> Tomcat_, the easy answer is yes.
<HappyPills> bladdy hell. I have no idea if it worked because the windows computer is farked!
<markybob> Tomcat_, http://julian.coccia.com/article-53.html  ...try googling next time.
<Seveas> Tomcat_, the difficult answer is: if it is going to work, you need ndiswrapper
<Tomcat__> tom_neo: Well the question is more or less if it's easy in Ubuntu... like a package or auto-detection or something... :)
<HappyPills> tried adding printer sharing via samba but the windows computer times out when detecting networks, even it's own =(
<markybob> Seveas, nah.  it uses prism
<keffo> hm, what FTP-client do you guys use?
<markybob> Tomcat_, it's a prism chipset.  so probably.
<Seveas> markybob, ok, than it's easy if the usb things go right :)
<tom_neo> Tomcat_: no idea ^^
<tom_neo> gftp
<deFrysk> gftp and nautilus
<markybob> Tomcat_, it should.  prism is supported natively by the kernel.  so you shouldnt have a problem
<Tomcat__> markybob: That's it... good. I'll try. :)
<markybob> yay.  i get a silver star!
<benjanet> Seveas, thanks
<libpng> buv
<libpng> amy-Lee faLLen
<libpng> lol
<DragoraN> i have one serious problem.. i just now compiled new kernel (2.6.11.5) and in grubs menu.lst it needs some initrd.img with newest version.. how to make it?
<libpng> eheh
<markybob> DragoraN, i have no idea what you just aid.
<markybob> DragoraN, how did you compile the kernel?
<markybob> s/aid/said
* netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net
<DragoraN> markybob: make all; make modules_install; make install
<DragoraN> markybob: in grubs menu.lst i need initrd file..
<markybob> DragoraN, to compile a kernel the ubuntu way, with initrd, this is what you do:  make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
<markybob> DragoraN, that'll create the kernel package
<markybob> then dpkg -i the file
<DragoraN> markybob: wtf :) ok.. thx
<markybob> DragoraN, that'll install it and edit grub for you
<DragoraN> markybob: cool :) thx.. and kernel_image is vmlinuz or what?
<markybob> DragoraN, you need to download kernel-package for that to work
<jk24> Hi
<jk24> is there packages of mono 1.1.4 for hoary ?
<markybob> jk24, 1.0.5
<markybob> jk24, in universe, if i'm not mistaken.
<jk24> markybob: that's right, but the "unstable" versions ?
<markybob> jk24, no 1.1.4
<HappyPills> hmm... theoretically, if I configured samba correctly than browsing my computer on the network should allow me to at least see the printer right?
* HappyPills hates windows sp2 firewall
<jk24> markybob: thanks
<maddler> hello again....
<maddler> :)
<HappyPills> ah. I got split
<jsgotangco> hello hello
* HappyPills hits freenode with a rusty hamemr
<HappyPills> *hammer
<maddler> does anyone has any clue on how to have evolution locally caching messages from an imap account?
<maddler> I mean... I want the messages available even if I am offline...
<DragoraN> markybob: what is parameter kernel_image ?
<markybob> DragonFly, man make-kpkg ...builds bzimage and modules in a nice package for dpkg to install
<DragoraN> markybob: i see, ok, thxxx many
<markybob> DragoraN, and it takes care of all that pesky grub config editing when you use dpkg.  it's a win win.
<DragoraN> markybob:  :)
<DragoraN> markybob: so it will create a debian package for me with my compiled kernel..
<Sav> How do i change color depth ? Trying to load simcity 200 with wine but it wount run in 32bit mode
<Sav>  =)
<markybob> DragoraN, kernel and modules.  then just dpkg -i
<DragoraN> markybob: cool
<markybob> i need a job.  someone hiring? ;)
<DragoraN> markybob: teach me, 2 bucks / hour
<DragoraN> markybob: :)
<markybob> DragoraN, i would, but i'm a law-abiting citizen and that's under minimum wage...thus illegal ;)
<jsgotangco> lol
<DragoraN> markybob: how old r u?
<markybob> DragoraN, 22
<markybob> fresh out of the navy.
<DragoraN> markybob: oh..
<markybob> DragoraN, ?
<Sav> How do i change color depth ? Trying to load simcity 200 with wine but it wount run in 32bit mode
<markybob> sav dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<markybob> in hoary, anyway.  warty is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
<markybob> or you could also do nano -w /etc/X11/XF86config-4 in warty
<dcf> has anybody experience in running ubuntu warty on an iMac G3?
<no0tic> changing scaling governor to performance and then back to userspace breaks powernowd that has to be restarted
<no0tic> is this bug known?
<markybob> no0tic, who knwos...check https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
<BSD_> Hello. I have a question: Can a commercial product use a BSD licensed library without mentioning the library's copyright holders in the product?
<markybob> hell no
<BSD_> we can metion it in the dll ant that's about it
<vpalle> anyone here knows how to search the command history in gnome-terminal?
<markybob> vpalle, use the up/down arrows
<Kamion> ctrl-r
<comforteagle> Are there any problems with perl on Warty?  using CPAN to install basic modules is pooching out.
<mjr> vpalle, it's not a gnome-terminal question, it's a shell question, and yes, ctrl-r
<vpalle> thx all
<markybob> comforteagle, which module?
<comforteagle> Bundle::CPAN!
<trigx300> hey im trying to get my sound card to work any advice (i had sound with mandrake)
<bob2> I really wouldn't use CPAN like that.
<bob2> there's dh-make-perl to make .debs from CPAN modules.
<markybob> trigx300, wanna give more specifics?  is the user in audio group, for example?  do you have /dev/dsp?
<trigx300> what doe that mean? - sorry im new to linux
<trigx300> does*
<markybob> trigx300, can you cat /dev/dsp?
<mayang> Can debian deb packages be used for ubuntu as on line install ?
<bob2> if you mean "Can you use Debian apt mirrors with Ubuntu?", then yes, but don't do it
<markybob> :) heh
<mayang> yes
<bob2> if you mean "Can Ubuntu use remote mirrors over http like Debian?", then yes, it has it's own mirros and apt
<tritium> mayang, most packages available for debian are also available for ubuntu.
<mayang> yes ubuntu has quite few mirros and very slow
<jsgotangco> growing pains :D
<bob2> I've never had a problem saturating my dsl
<mayang> trutium,I think so,but the question is how to make the source.list.
<tritium> mayang, I can help you with that if you like
<mayang> yes,please.
<tritium> mayang, are you using Warty or Hoary?
<mayang> Hoary5.04
<tritium> okay
* TongMaster was a big fan of Hory 5.03
<tritium> mayang, this is a good starting point: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/
<Kamion> maybe we should have renumbered the preview so that people didn't call it 5.04 before it's even April yet ... :)
<tritium> mayang, you may want to uncomment the lines with universe and multiverse to get access to the largest set of available software for ubuntu
<mayang> Is there any intruduction about how to use debian deb alike ?
<tritium> mayang, the packaging format?
<tritium> mayang, if you're looking for documentation on how to use apt, you can install the apt-howto package
<mayang> you mean delete # lines with universe and multivers?
<tritium> mayang, not the whole line.  Just remove the "#"
<Burgundavia> mayang: no, remove the 3
<mayang> #only ?
<tritium> yes
<mayang> thanks
<tritium> mayang, so the first character on the line is "d" (part of the word deb)
<mayang> sure
<tritium> mayang, you'll need to do an update after you finish editing that file
<mgcross> hello all
<tritium> Hi mgcross
<mayang> tritium,what do u do with ubuntu (x applaction or servers)?
<markybob> heh
<tritium> mayang, are you asking what I do personally, or what can one do in general?
<mgcross> does the kernel image 2.6.5.10.5amdk8 have the restriceted modules needed for nvidia yet?
<mgcross> or should I wait to update?
<tritium> mayang, the short answer is scientific computing, as well as everyday desktop usage
<mayang> generay
<mgcross> tritium, thanks for the help yesterday....twinview is on and working fine for tv-out :-)
<tritium> mgcross, Oh, you're welcome :)
<tritium> I'm glad it's working for you.
<mgcross> tritium...me to...wife was sharpening knives
<mgcross> er too
<tritium> heh ;)
<jsgotangco> bye bye
<mayang> I like linux because it can do things like win
<jsgotangco> mayang: and more!
<tritium> mayang, the sky's the limit :)
<markybob> mayang, wow.  that's a really messed up reason to like linux
<deFrysk>  windows saves me money (on hydro bill)
<mayang> really
<mgcross> tritium, if I isnstall the current kernel updates, will I break nvidia-glx?
<jsgotangco> mayang: you can really do a lot with it compared with windows
<tritium> mgcross, you're on k8?
<mgcross> don't see and restricted modules....
<mgcross> yes
<mayang> I use win learn less than linux,that is reason.
<jsgotangco> mayang: its ok we always start at nothing
<kensai> does kubuntu has a channel?
<mgcross> tritium, yes
<tritium> mgcross, I don't see a l-r-m for k8...
<Myrtti> k7
<markybob> kensai, seriously...why not just try #kubuntu before asking?
<mgcross> tritium, thanks, that's what I thought....
<jsgotangco> heh
<mayang> right
<markybob> damnit.
<tritium> mgcross, but then again, I don't see any linux-images for k8 either...
<Myrtti> k7
<sianis> hi all
<kensai> markybob, lol because I'm a little bit lazy since I just woke up
<membreya> is there any reason for me to keep the mesagl drivers?
<sianis> how can i setup my ftp server, so it load automatic when ubuntu is booting?
<tritium> mgcross, amd64?
<markybob> kensai, great, thanks.  i'd love to do your work for your lazy ass
<zooko> greetings, people of #ubuntu!
<mayang> tritium,but learn is unlimit
<sianis> i thing i have ftpd
<zooko> Does bug #300842 -- libc6: upgrade fails in i386 chroot on amd64 system mean that I cannot safely upgrade libc on my hoary amd64 system at this time?
<mgcross> trituim, yes, they are there....perhaps only avail on universe...
<tritium> mayang, yep
<mgcross> tritium, update manager brought them up
<tritium> mgcross, good
<kensai> markybob>
<kensai> markybob> was I asking you to do it for me please
<kensai> ?
<markybob> kensai does kubuntu has a channel?
<markybob> let's think about that for a minute
<tritium> mgcross, I'm on i686, so I don't see them
<kensai> markybob, remember we are not in #debian so we shouldn't be rude here LOL we at #debian won the most disapointment of 2004 award for treating bad people. Thanks for checking out ;)
<tritium> mayang, were you able to find the software you're looking for after adding universe and multiverse?
<zooko> Does anyone know how to open an URL in a firefox with -remote and *not* bring the firefox window to the front?
<zooko> galeon offers a "--noraise" cmdline switch, but firefox doesn't.
<mayang> yes
<markybob> kensai, yeah, and aint it a bitch that i actually used to be a debian maintainer?
<mgcross> tritium, oic..lol...again, thanks for the help...great community...
<tritium> mgcross, :)
<kensai> markybob, thats good mantaining debian is a pain it surely is. Binary distros are not easy to work with
<mayang> I am doing apt now from us morrios
<tritium> not as slow?
<mayang> tritium,there are kubuntu-desktop kdm etc
<tritium> mayang, yes.  Is that what you were looking for?
<mayang> yes,but I rather like linked with debian apt source either.
<tritium> mayang, if you're interested in kubuntu, have you seen this: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/index.php ?
<sianis> can some1 help with the ftp servr config?
<mayang> no, a friend told me kubuntu deb
<tritium> mako, how's the laptop after the water incident?
<mayang> tritium,thanks you show me the way.http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/index.php.
<tritium> mayang, of course :)
<membreya> is there any reason for me to keep the mesagl drivers?
<mayang> if I install base-system like debian,can I install kde without gnome ?
<bob2> mayang: yeah
<tritium> mayang, it's possible, but not really recommended, to install ubuntu over a debian base installation
<bob2> see also, kubuntu
<Kamion> a Kubuntu install is an Ubuntu base system plus KDE
<mayang> maybe
<mayang> the qestion is I install hoary5.0.4 with "smart way",no chioce for kde or gnome ?
<zooko> Well, upgrading seemed to work.
<mework> Hi. I have a problem detecting serial ports of netmos 9835 in kernel 2.6.9, modprobe parport_serial works fine in kernel 2.4.* but not 2.6.9 what can i do. is there an updated module to load
<tritium> mayang, you could install kubuntu if you prefer KDE
<mayang> what the real meaning of wiki ?
<mayang> yes
<tritium> mayang, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
<andril> hello all
<andril> can someone help me play my MP3's?
<mayang> tritium:can u tell me in short?
<tritium> andril, with which player?
<andril> xxms
<Kamion> mayang: google for 'wiki'; the definition is visible in the search results
<andril> I can't get Real installed
<andril> BTW I am running Hoary
<bob2> andril: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<tritium> I haven't used xmms in some time.  I'm probably not the best to help you, andril.  Sorry.
<IamJacksUsername> What's the difference between array-7 and preview?
<bob2> I really wouldn't bother using RealPlayer for anything other than realmedia files
<tritium> bob2, several complaints lately about xmms and mp3, have you noticed?
<mayang> tritium,let me see
<andril> yeah it freezes up
<Kamion> IamJacksUsername: Array 7 is newer; I documented the main differences in the announcement
<amichai> can someone tell me if there is a single click funtion in gnome for desktop icons? plz
<tritium> amichai, there's a nautilus setting for that
<membreya> yes amichai
<bob2> tritium: hm, no, but I haven't been paying attention much today
<andril> I also noticed the Industrial theme disappeared (GTK,Metacity & Icons)
<membreya> my gl vendor currently says mesa gl .. would that explain my poor performance ?
<IamJacksUsername> Thanks Kamion.
<bob2> most problems with mp3 seem to be people not reading the GAQ
<tritium> bob2, not so much today, but in the past week or so
<tritium> andril, you have read the info on restricted formats, yes?
<mework> Hi. I have a problem detecting serial ports of netmos 9835 in kernel 2.6.9, modprobe parport_serial works fine in kernel 2.4.* but not 2.6.9 what can i do. is there an updated module to load
<andril> MP3 is now restricted?
<mayang> tritium,I have to exit for kde installation restart now.
<andril> is there a link?
<Symbiote> i have this error: Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the permissions are too restrictive. | i understand that it has something to do with PAM system changing permissions for NVIDIA. where can i set it so it doenst change the permissions?
<Kamion> andril: er, mp3's always been restricted
<andril> it worked with Warty
<kanga> the protocol always has been
<tritium> amichai, in a nautilus window: Edit -> Preferences -> Behavior -> Single click to activate items
<Kamion> andril: oh, yeah, by accident
<sh0r> hi there
<vivek> hi people... can u tell me how do make entries in ap--sourses?
<membreya> so ...noone knows about mesagl ?
<sh0r> what do i need to install if i want to play .mpc files?
<maswan> is it possible to make the network monitor thingie stop blinking all the time?
<andril> so - is there a way to convert my (massisve) library?
<geppy_school> Does Ubuntu use udev?
<Kamion> geppy_school: yes
<maswan> (hoary gnome panel thingie)
<tritium> andril, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/RestrictedFormats/
<geppy_school> Kamion:  Thanks!
<vivek> i mean i do apt-get install gaim-vv and it sez Couldnt find package
<jazzka> hi!
<tritium> vivek, it hasn't been packaged
<andril> tritium: cool and thanks
<geppy_school> Why deos Ubuntu come without DMA enabled on drives?  Is it a backwards-compatability thing?
<membreya> vivek: good luck compiling it :)
<tritium> andril, np
<vivek> no, i just installed it some time bCK in progeny...
<amichai> tritium: found it. That will work for all?
<amichai> stupid q
<amichai> thanx
<tritium> amichai, np
<jazzka> I've got a bash script on my desktop, every time I double click it, a window appears asking me if I want to execute it with a terminal, show it ...
<Kamion> geppy_school: it's turned off on CDs because it broke installations too often
<geppy_school> Kamion: Just out of curiosity, how would DMA cause breakage?
<jazzka> is there any way to make that decision stable? so it doesnt ask me every time?
<andril> Kamion: thnk you again - you helped me alot
<vivek> how do i stop OS from showng up mautilus evertime i boot a partition??
<andril> I got alot to learn guys
<sh0r> whicht protocol do i have to put in my pointer section to get the mousewheel of my IntelliMouseExplorer to work?
<Kamion> geppy_school: usually the reports indicate silent data corruption while reading from the CD-ROM
<geppy_school> vivek:  In the "Removable Media" GUI, you can set it not to open up newly mounted partitions
<Kamion> geppy_school: or just random failures to read files
<geppy_school> Kamion: Oh, alright.
<sh0r> eer i mean the pointer section of the XF86Config-4
<vivek> geppy_school:ty..
<geppy_school> vivek: You're welcome.
<sh0r> IntelliMouse doesn't work...
<Kamion> geppy_school: turning off DMA seems to be less hard on (particularly) older drives
<kanga> must be a stupi mouse then sh0r
<sh0r> stupi?
<kanga> lol just a joke!
<sh0r> ah :) english is not my native language... ;)
<kanga> kool
<PacoBCN> sh0r, like most people in Florida :D
<kanga> what is sh0r?
<sh0r> so any idea which protocol i could use? it sucks without mousewheel
<membreya> sh0r: http://www.groundhog1.com/mouse/MSExplorer.html
<andril> hey I am in Florida too
<vivek> how did i get gaim-vv in progeny???
<PacoBCN> vivek, you got gaim-vv working?
<vivek> yes..
<PacoBCN> ages ago I asked for a backport but no luck
<PacoBCN> vivek, tell me, how does it work?
<vivek> i cud very wel c other ppls webcams...
<TenPlus1> Hi folks... can someone help me plz...
<TenPlus1> am trying to change screen colour depth from 24 to 16 in safe mode
<vivek> gaim-vv works quite fine...
<TenPlus1> and emacs isnt installed
<PacoBCN> vivek, that's cool. When I tried to compile it I had no luck
<tritium> vivek, you say there's a progeny package for it?
<bhodie> any network gurus here to help a linux beginner?
<vivek> yes.. i mean i got it install in progeny.. but if  remmebr it right, i got it from a debian mirror
<PacoBCN> Tell me there's pack for it and you'll make my day
<vivek> i am quite sure.. as i instlld it abt 5 days back....
<PacoBCN> you don't remember the repo, right?
<vivek> nope..
<vivek> but i got it from a search in google for gami-vv
<bhodie> perhaps someone could point me in the right direction....
<TenPlus1> any other txt editors I can use in safe mode... I dont have emacs for some reason
<geppy_school> Kamion: Is it not plausible to set up a "white list" of DMA-friendly driveS?
<PotajiTo> wenas
<Kamion> geppy_school: that's something we're planning for the future
<Kamion> hence the hardware database stuff for hoary
<PacoBCN> vivek, can you tell me which version of gaim-vv you have installed?
<geppy_school> Kamion: Would that be something I and other clueless users would be able to help with?
<Kamion> geppy_school: the point of the hardware database is exactly that
<Kamion> geppy_school: don't know exactly how it would work with DMA, though; not really my area; we'll see
<TenPlus1> How do I change my SCREN DEPTH from 24 to 16 in Safe Mode ???
<typo> I've just upgraded from sid to hoary and epiphany can't find libgtkembedmoz.so, so I guess there's a missing dependency somewhere
<typo> what package provides libgtkembedmoz.so?
<sh0r> membreya: thx i'will try that!
<geppy_school> Kamion: Ah, cool;  much thanks!
<membreya> sh0r: it's great because it lets me use the buttons on the side of muh intellimouse :)
<PacoBCN> Installing gaim-vv from a repo I found
<PacoBCN> I'll tell you if there's luck
<vivek> PacoBCN:i do not remember.. cuz i had apt-get it .. n erased mh hd in 3 days...now i have ubuntu..
<vivek> PacoBCN:plz let me know too....
<tritium> typo, dpkg -S <filename> will tell you
<bhodie> help with dhcp and/or static ip settings?
<PacoBCN> it just deleted gaim :D
<vivek> kool...
<PacoBCN> no luck at all
<vivek> u r on the right track..
<PacoBCN> dependencies problems
<typo> tritium: "mozilla-browser: /usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so"
<typo> tritium: and yet epiphany can't find it
<typo> maybe I need to reboot
<PacoBCN> tries to overwrite /usr/share/man/man1/gaim.1.gz
<PacoBCN> which already exists in the gaim-data pack
<sh0r> membreya: brb, i have to restart x
<vivek> it worked perfecly for me .....
<bhodie> 393 peeps and one ops..  and no help...  :)
<tritium> PacoBCN, you'd need to remove gaim-data (which will remove gaim, ubuntu-desktop, etc.)
<PacoBCN> tritium, if I delete gaim-data and install gaim-vv and then I try to install gaim again it will remove gaim-vv, I guess
<PacoBCN> (BTW, I see another update of firefox...)
<tritium> PacoBCN, if you try it and don't want it, yes, you can reinstall gaim and anythiing else that gets removed, such as ubuntu-desktop
<PacoBCN> ubuntu-desktop is a meta pack, I think
<membreya> PacoBCN: indeed it is :)
<tritium> PacoBCN, yep
<flyingsquirrel54> You guys know of a good IRC for a linux noob?
<tritium> client?
<tritium> xchat and irssi seem popular.  gaim has IRC capabilities as well
<PacoBCN> uninstalling gaim-data
<kresten> Hi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" to write?
<PacoBCN> installing gaim-vv
<flyingsquirrel54> no, sorry not a client, a server/channel
<jsgotangco> salut
<PacoBCN> salut
<Spooks> Hey hey
<CarlK_> I am going to test someone's .deb package.  what is the name of the 'script' that builds the .deb?
<PacoBCN> gaim loads ok
<Spooks> Someone mind explaining how I format a drive with Ubuntu on so I can install windoze again please?
<jsgotangco> eh?
<jsgotangco> why do you want to do that?
<esher> iam search for a nice terminal font for "terminal-console" under x
<flyingsquirrel54> back to windoze? You can do it with the win cd during the install
<esher> any idea ?
<benjanet> is beagle on the unverse repository for hoary...i cant seem to find it
<benjanet> to find it
<Symbiote> what software can i download to use for sound mixing on ubuntu if my sound card is too primitive to do it?
<Spooks> Yeah, I want my other drive to have windoze on so I can play a couple of games
<tritium> CarlK_, there's a makefile called "rules" in the debian/ dir that is used by dpkg-buildpackage
<Spooks> That I cannot run on Linux
<kresten> Hi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" to write?
<jsgotangco> Spooks: your windows CD can repartition your drive
<PacoBCN> looks like you can't have gaim-vv and gaim-encryption together
<jsgotangco> Spooks: next time just dual boot instead
<sh0r> re
<Spooks> dual boot = no ty
<sh0r> works fine :)
<flyingsquirrel54> better to install windows first and then linux
<Spooks> but I shall try
<Spooks> ty
<jsgotangco> hehe
<jsgotangco> mustve been pissed
<PacoBCN> restarting X
<kresten> Hi everybody. CHMOD 644. Is that to deny "group"+"other" write-access?
<sh0r> how do i put a script in my init.d directory?
<typo> epiphany still doesn't work because it can't find libgtkembedmoz.so, anyone know what this might be?
<sh0r> err xinitrc.d i mean
<tritium> kresten, 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute
<tritium> kresten, those values are additive
<kresten> tritium, Thanks a bunch!
<tritium> sure
<typo> anyone know how I can fix epiphany?
<eyequeue> bugzilla?
<typo> eyequeue: where's ubuntu's bugzilla?
<maddler> could someone send me "Lucida Typewriter" font? :)
<maddler> please...
<eyequeue> typo:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
<Burgundavia> typo: what is the issue with epiphany?
<typo> Burgundavia: "epiphany: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkembedmoz.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
<Burgundavia> typo: warty or hoary?
<typo> Burgundavia: hoary
<mramm> I am having a problem with ndiswrapper and the dell 1170 card in a inspiron 8200 any body got any debugging tips?
<typo> Burgundavia: upgraded from sid
<jsgotangco> what kind of problems exactly?
<Burgundavia> typo: hmm
<jk24> mramm: what's the problem ?
<typo> btw, I can't install ubuntu-desktop
<rvalles> hi
<typo> python-newt is uninstallable
<tritium> typo, perhaps its not a bug in epiphany-browser, but rather something wrong with the upgrade from sid
<Burgundavia> typo: file the bug. I cannot replicate the problem though
<rvalles> in order to make my own kernel for ubuntu...
<rvalles> well, I've made it
<Burgundavia> typo: you upgraded from sid?
<typo> tritium: might be
<typo> Burgundavia: yes
<rvalles> but I see that grub uses an initrd
<rvalles> for the kernel to load initially
<rvalles> and there is an initrd for each kernel version of the ones ubuntu installed
<Burgundavia> typo: have you looked at what package provides libgtkembedmoz.so? and tried updating that?
<typo> Burgundavia: it's mozilla-browser
<rvalles> what I want to know is, basically, what does the initrd do
<Burgundavia> hmm
<rvalles> if I can ditch it, if I can use one of the already made ones
<typo> Burgundavia: 1.7.5-1ubuntu1
<eyequeue> mkinitrd (8)         - make an initrd image
<rvalles> or how to make a new one for my kernel
<tritium> typo, what prevents installation of ubuntu-desktop?
<typo> Burgundavia: so I guess its updated
<rvalles> any recommendation?
<typo> tritium: python-newt
<eyequeue> rvalles:  initial ram disk
<mramm> I get the drivers installed and ndiswrapper -l shows driver loaded and hardware present.  I did modprobe ndiswrapper, and then ifconfig wlan0 up.  The interface then shows up, but no traffic hits it, and attempts to manually change the essid with iwconfig have no result.
<Burgundavia> typo: that is the latest version
<rvalles> eyequeue: please, I know this much.
<lrojas> is there a way to install ubuntu with a 2.4.x kernel?
<Burgundavia> I would try removing the whole thing and reinstalling and see if that helps
<eyequeue> rvalles:  man mkinitrd
<rvalles> eyequeue: ...
<Burgundavia> lrojas: why?
<tritium> typo, what's the error with python-newt?
<rvalles> eyequeue: what I want to know is why ubuntu uses a initrd
<Burgundavia> lrojas: and yes, ifyou compile it yourself
<rvalles> eyequeue: that is, what does it use it for.
<King_Crimson> hey i downloaded the new hoary and burnt the install iso to cd how do i install it now?
<typo> tritium: I think it depends on an old version of libnewt
<lrojas> well, i been trying to install debian, is been hard, so i figured that maybe i could go with ubuntu, but i need a 2.4 kernel because thats what transgaming ppl recomend
<Burgundavia> King_Crimson: place it in your cd drive and reboot your computer
<jsgotangco> put it on the cd tray?
<King_Crimson> ok
<King_Crimson> thx
<Burgundavia> King_Crimson: make certain that you boot from the cd rom before  your harddrive
<Burgundavia> nev mind
<jsgotangco> hehe
<Kanga> set bios
<typo> Burgundavia: reinstalling mozilla-browser had no effect
<Burgundavia> hmm
<jsgotangco> nice suggestion
<typo> tritium: "python-newt: Depends: libnewt0.51 (= 0.51.6-20ubuntu3) but 0.51.6-21 is to be installed"
<eyequeue> rvalles:  you'd have to ask someone involved in the kernel package maintenence i suppose
<Kanga> thought you were sleeping jsgotangoco!
<zooko> greetings, people of #ubuntu!
<zooko> This doesn't work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowtob
<zooko> on my current hoary amd64 system.
<eyequeue> lrojas:  what is transgaming?
<zooko> It compiled the whole thing, then got an error attempting to ls something "amd64" something "generic".
<lrojas> the ppl that make cedega
<tritium> typo, apt-cache policy libnewt0.51 please.  I think you have another repo providing a different version.
<zooko> This failure of ls caused it not to create the .deb file.  :-?
<eyequeue> lrojas:  what is cedega?
<lrojas> cedega is the aplication formely known as WineX
<Burgundavia> eyequeue: a fork of the wine project, allows you to run windows app on linux
<lrojas> http://www.transgaming.com
<eyequeue> lrojas:  okay, still no clue, sorry
<rvalles> I just want to boot my own kernel
<Burgundavia> eyequeue: www.winehq.org
<zooko> When did it fork?
<PacoBCN> eyequeue, it avoids to have a windows OS :)
<Burgundavia> zooko: when wine changed their license
<tritium> zooko, try using kernel-package to build your kernel
<eyequeue> Burgundavia:  thanks.  not having any windows apps, i have never had that desire
<lrojas> why, oh why.... is linux such a mess for the newbie
<rvalles> which isn't such a weird thing; people love to bould their own kernels.
<eyequeue> PacoBCN:  i've avoided having one fairly well without it :)
<Burgundavia> eyequeue: I have never used it, but I have heard some good reports
<mako> DarthFrog: bob2 is not the channel manager, but he's the only person on the list of current channel managers who i know is active here
<zooko> tritium: I have tried that.  Unfortunately the resulting kernel couldn't boot...
<PacoBCN> eyequeue, well, you might want to play some videogames, some times
<eyequeue> PacoBCN:  ah, i'm no gamer
<zooko> I guess I could copy to config file from the Ubuntu way to do it and then use kernel-package...
<zooko> That sounds like a good idea.  Thanks.
<PacoBCN> eyequeue, in that case you don't need it :D
<eyequeue> PacoBCN:  :)
<typo> tritium: probably the debian sid version
<tritium> typo, is that what apt-cache policy shows you?
<mramm> jk24: sorry I had to take a support call.   Any thoughts on how to troubleshoot problems with ndiswrapper
<tritium> typo, you don't really want a sid repo in your sources.list, now do you?
<tritium> mako, how's the laptop after the water incident?
<keyhack> How can I disable the annoying loud startup noise at the gdm login screen? It would be fine if I could have adjusted the volume but blaring it at 100% volume on my laptop is not fun.
<eyequeue> keyhack:  disable the sound that it calls?
<Burgundavia> keyhack: system-->admin-->login screen setupo
<keyhack> Burgundavia: It's not there
<eyequeue> keyhack:  that's if there's not a more elegant solution someone offers
<keyhack> eyequeue: I've muted my sound, rebooted, and it still does it
<PacoBCN> Ok, conclusions after installing gaim-vv (voice-video support for gaim): It works pretty well. However, the installation might give you some headache since you have to uninstall gaim-data and gaim, and, most important, looks like you can't run gaim-vv + gaim-encryption, which is why I rolled back to def. installation.
<typo> tritium: I don't have one
<eyequeue> keyhack:  no, i mean the actual file
<tritium> typo, what version is installed now?
<typo> tritium: it's just that the debian version is -21 and the ubuntu one -20, so it's not an upgrade
<Burgundavia> keyhack: accessablity tab
<mako> tritium: well.. i ordered a new keyboard
<typo> tritium: I need to downgrade
<eyequeue> keyhack:  mv filename filename.saved ; touch filename
<mako> tritium: should arrive later this week probably
<Burgundavia> keyhack: oh, that gets only drums
<mako> tritium: i think that'z the only thing that's broken
<eyequeue> keyhack:  something like that
<Burgundavia> keyhack: you want tinkly sounds gone
<mako> tritium: keyboard/mouse combo thing
<tritium> mako, that's good, but sorry that happened :(
<keyhack> Burgundavia: no, I want the one second drums gone
<mako> tritium: i got it refurbished so it only cost $60
<rvalles> seriously; does nobody here build their own kernels?
<mramm> typo:  Have you tried completely removing the package and installing the one from the Ubuntu repository.
<keyhack> Burgundavia: I removed the 20 second startup audo from gnome fine
<Burgundavia> keyhack: the drums in accessablity
<typo> does anyone know a Portuguese (.pt) mirror for ubuntu packages?
<keyhack> Burgundavia: Why its there, who knows, thanks
<typo> mramm: looks like aptitude can handle things, thanks
<tritium> mako, could be worse, I guess
<flyingsquirrel54> I just barely got done installing ubuntu on my laptop, but what's the root pswd?
<Burgundavia> keyhack: it is for people who cannot see to login
<eyequeue> keyhack:  how did you remove the 20 second startup?
<rvalles> I'm helping a non-english speaking linux user on his ubuntu
<rvalles> but at this rate
<PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, know what sudo is?
<keyhack> eyequeue: from the sound settings
<eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  there is none.  on purpose.
<rvalles> I'll just move him to my distro (Gentoo) which is far less intrusive
<mako> rvalles: what language?
<typo> could someone tell me what's in their /etc/ld.so.conf?
<rvalles> mako: spanish
<flyingsquirrel54> but I need to know the password to use sudo too don't I?
<keyhack> System -> Preferences -> Sound
<keyhack> I turned it all off
<Burgundavia> Fleebailey33: your own
<keyhack> gtg reboot
<mako> rvalles: http://www.ubuntu-es.org/
<PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, yes, your own password
<Burgundavia> flyingsquirrel54: your own
<Burgundavia> wrong person
<eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<PacoBCN> it has root privilegies
<mako> rvalles: there is an active spanish-speaking community
<eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  no you do not
<mako> rvalles: and lots of spanish documentation
<eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  you use your user password
<eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54: sudo != su
<flyingsquirrel54> never seen that before, of course, i'm new, thanks
<tritium> typo, yes, try downgrading the sid version of python-newt to allow ubuntu-desktop to install
<eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  no prob, and welcome
<rvalles> mako: thanks, didn't know that site
<flyingsquirrel54> it's very pretty
<flyingsquirrel54> is wine installed by default?
<mako> rvalles: no problem
<PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, since you installed the system it's assumed that you're a super user, but next users you add won't have sys privilege unless you specificly add them.
<CarlK_> hoary server install: cardinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open shared
<rvalles> mako: they have a kernel tutorial, but it's using kernel-package
<rvalles> mako: :/
<CarlK_> is that "expected" or should I file a bugreport?
<tritium> rvalles, not too many people have need to build their own kernels.
<keyhack> Ok back, does anyone have experience using fireglcontrol? I'm trying to set up dual head with my ATI card, and I set my settings, restart X, go back, and its back to where it was before. Anyone?
<flyingsquirrel54> paco makes sense
<mako> rvalles: why is that a problem?
<eyequeue> mke-kpkg rocks :)
<rvalles> mako: because most people prefer to build the kernel their own way
<PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, you'll soon find that sudo not only makes sense but it's pretty comfortable
<rvalles> mako: without distro interference
<mako> rvalles: most people who are starting out prefer to build a kernel the *easiest* way :)
<eyequeue> rvalles:  you have a strange definition of "most people" perhaps
<flyingsquirrel54> pacoBCN: is wine installed by def?
<Kamion> rvalles: you asked why we use an initrd; there's no other sane way for a binary distribution to go about it
<rvalles> but... there's this initrd thing ubuntu uses for stuff I don't know of
<arnau_> Hello. How can I change the menu fonts of my applications? I use kde 3.4.0
<tritium> rvalles, the advantage of kernel-package is that your kernel is under package management system
<PacoBCN> flyingsquirrel54, no, it's not but it's easy to install
<mako> rvalles: in fact, most people use whatever the stock kernel is :)
<rvalles> Kamion: what do you do place in the initrd?
<typo> Burgundavia: what does ldd tell you for libgtkembedmoz?
<mako> including me, for that matter
<Riddell> arnau_: kcontrol->appearance->fonts
<rvalles> mako: and people who build it, don't like distro-isms
<eyequeue> rvalles:  that is a complete lie
<Kamion> rvalles: drivers that would otherwise have to be compiled monolithically into the kernel
<mako> rvalles: i think that's a pretty overly broad statement
<Burgundavia> typo: ?
<zooko> So what is the easiest way to build the kernel?
<Kamion> rvalles: initrd is not a "distro-ism"
<tritium> zooko, kernel-package
<zooko> I've failed two different ways now, and I'm going back to kernel-package at this moment...
<rvalles> Kamion: you mean... modules?
<Kamion> rvalles: yes
<zooko> Thanks.
<eyequeue> rvalles:  if you are opposed to using the tools that come with a given distro, perhaps you should consider not using that distro
<naikuty> hello friends
<flyingsquirrel54> what type of install sytem does ubuntu use? yum, apt-get?
<typo> Burgundavia: running ldd for /usr/bin/epiphany? where is it getting libgtkembedmoz.so?
<rvalles> Kamion: why are the modules not just in the standard /lib/modules place?
<Kamion> rvalles: but you can load modules from the initrd before you mount the root filesystem
<mako> eyequeue: there's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater in this case
<eyequeue> flyingsquirrel54:  ubuntu is debian-based, hence dpkg/apt/and the like
<Burgundavia> typo: just a sec, I have to reinstall it
<rvalles> Kamion: what does having the modules in initrd have to do with ubuntu being a binary distro?
<Kamion> rvalles: there are enough SCSI controller drivers, filesystem drivers, etc., that creating a single kernel that could mount any root filesystem would be far too huge
<mako> rvalles: nothing
<eyequeue> rvalles:  what is your rationale for subverting the package management system?
<Kamion> rvalles: because that means we prefer to build and properly test a single kernel package which will work in as many situations as possible
<Kamion> rvalles: for instance, we use the same kernel in an installed system as we do in the installer
<rvalles> Kamion: that's quite easy to comprehend
<rvalles> Kamion: but... why should people who build their own kernels care?
<Kamion> that sort of flexibility is not practical with a huge monolithic kernel; AFAIK, all binary distributions use initrds
<Kamion> rvalles: you don't have to
<rvalles> Kamion: so, I don't need initrd to boot, then?
<arnau_> Riddell: the menu fonts in openoffice don't change.
<Kamion> it is not necessary to use an initrd if you don't want to; you just have to tweak the bootloader configuration to take that into account
<mako> rvalles: are you using a custom kernel?
<Riddell> arnau_: ah well openoffice is a whole new mystery
<rvalles> Kamion: If I place the modules in the standard place (/lib/modules), ubuntu won't complain?
<Kamion> rvalles: er, Ubuntu ALREADY has a bunch of stuff in /lib/modules
<eyequeue> rvalles:  again, what is your rationale for subverting the package management system?
<rvalles> eyequeue: personal preference
<Kamion> eyequeue: I think that's overly hostile
<flyingsquirrel54> is there any type of package manager that I could install to make installation easier for a noob?
<rvalles> eyequeue: do you have a problem with it?
<Kamion> eyequeue: we provide facilities for people to provide their own kernels; it's not subversion
<tritium> flyingsquirrel54, synaptic
<eyequeue> rvalles:  nor do i have a problem if you -rf your rm
<mako> rvalles: you just need to make sure you have the stuff necessary to to the filesystem, etc loaded into the monolithic kernels so you can load up those modules
<arnau_> Riddell: with firefox I have the same result
<mako> rvalles: if you've built a custom kernel, that's fine
<eyequeue> rvalles:  but your hosptility in here does bother me
<flyingsquirrel54> that's it! I was trying to remember that but I couldn't. Thanks!
<Burgundavia> eyequeue: remember the Ubuntu code of conduct please
<rvalles> mako: ok
<Kamion> eyequeue: AFAICT you're being at least as hostile; please cut it out
<mako> eyequeue: different strokes for different folks
<mako> eyequeue: i've gone through stages of building kernels in at least two different debian ways, totally by hand, and am now sticking with stock kernels.. :) they're all fine :)
<rvalles> mako: he's having problems booting it... I guess I'll ssh into his box after all and try to figure out more about the boot process (it seems the kernel boots)
<mako> rvalles: if you can ssh into it.. it sounds like it's booting alright
<Kamion> rvalles: maybe he forgot to take the initrd line out of the bootloader config?
<rvalles> mako: he boots the old kernel, of course.
<tritium> rvalles, it's nice that you're helping your friend, and going to the extent of learning about a distro other than the one you use yourself
<Kamion> unfortunately it does have to be taken into account there, by nature
* mako thinks kamion is rightg
<gooniewrk> should i need to install anything extra after a default install to mount windows shares? I can mount them in my gentoo box but not my ubuntu.. plz forgive my newbieness... New to *nix
<rvalles> tritium: thanks... I was curious about ubuntu anyways
<mako> rvalles: it's nice to learn how other distributions works anyway
<mako> rvalles: i had a very good time learning about gentoo this summer
<rvalles> myself I use Gentoo; not because I care much about optimizations or stuff like that
<rvalles> but because it isn't intrusive at all
<typo> Burgundavia: any luck?
<Dr_Willis> windows 'shares' are accesed useing the 'samba' tools - its possible that samba is disabled by default or for security reasons.
<keyhack> fireglcontrol doesn't seem to be applying any settings. I have a second monitor hooked up, I set the 2nd display to be disabled, restart X, and its enabled still. Anyone have experience with this? Is fireglcontrol designed to work with XFree86 and not Xorg?
<rvalles> it doesn't fight the admin... <3
<Burgundavia> just a sec, had some issues with installing
<zooko> Is there an established channel for users (like me) to communicate to Ubuntumasters about packages that I would like to see included?
<tritium> typo, have you looked at the python-newt issue, or are you working on epiphany at the moment?
<zooko> There is a package that I currently have to get from debian...
<Burgundavia> typo: firefox
<tritium> zooko, which one is it?
<Kamion> zooko: anything other than IRC :-) ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com would be reasonable
<Dr_Willis> gooniewrk,  the site    http://ubuntuguide.org/   - i a must read. :P its has loads of info on this and other areas.
<Burgundavia> typo: libgtkembedmoz.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so (0xb7faa000)
<Kamion> zooko: I'm surprised it's not in universe/multiverse though?
<typo> tritium: that seams fixed
<tritium> typo, super
<zooko> It's because I'm on 64-bit.  ghc6.
<gooniewrk> Dr_Willis, I checked in synaptics and the samba packages are installed.. how do I enable samba if it is disabled?
<Burgundavia> gooniewrk: it is also warty, and thus slightly outdated
<Kamion> oh, a build failure then presumably
<typo> tritium: thanks
<zooko> The reason I can't use uni/multi is because they don't have 64-bit.
<typo> Burgundavia: I don't have that file
<gooniewrk> Dr_Willis, thx I'll read it
<Kamion> zooko: they do so :)
<typo> Burgundavia: looks like it's that
<Burgundavia> typo: hmm
<zooko> Oops.  I'll doublecheck..
<Burgundavia> typo: do you have firefox?
<Kamion> zooko: all architectures have all components
<Dr_Willis> gooniewrk,  you may just need to start the service.. been so long since id dont a clean install..
<typo> Burgundavia: ahhh, that's it
<typo> Burgundavia: I have debian's firefox
<Burgundavia> typo: there we go
<Kamion> zooko: ghc6 built successfully on amd64
<tritium> zooko, ghc6 is available, at least on i386
<PacoBCN> wow, every 30 minutes I see more upates
<Kamion> 18 days ago
<PacoBCN> updates
<Burgundavia> typo: firefox is part of desktop-seed on ubuntu, those everybody gets it
<gooniewrk> k, i'll give it a try when i get home
<tritium> zooko, do you have universe included in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
<typo> Burgundavia: yes, but I have debian sid's version
<Kamion> it failed on ia64
<typo> Burgundavia: that doesn't have the embed stuff
<Kamion>       ghc6 |    6.2.2-2 | hoary/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
<Burgundavia> typo: ah
<atho> hm
<Kamion> zooko: warty/universe didn't have ghc6, though
<rvalles> for some reason, his kernel doesn't boot when he doesn't place the initrd line on grub config
<rvalles> and it does if he does place it
<rvalles> :O
<zooko> Sorry about that.
<atho> How can I pass something to the kernel on PPC hoary??
<rvalles> it's a "wth"
<Kamion> rvalles: so that means that his kernel expects an initrd; i.e. it doesn't have enough compiled into it to get by on its own
<typo> Burgundavia: thanks for the help, this should fix it
<tritium> atho, all the time, or just once?
<atho> I need acpi to be off
<rvalles> Kamion: that would be fine
<Kamion> rvalles: the stock kernel will certainly behave that way
<Burgundavia> typo: np
<rvalles> Kamion: if the initrd was for his new kernel
<Kamion> atho: powerpc doesn't have ACPI
<atho> Kamion...
<tritium> atho, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (the kopt line)
<Kamion> tritium: nor does powerpc have grub :)
<atho> How can I fix the hotplug subsystem freeze?
<atho> :)
<tritium> atho, and the sudo update-grub
<rvalles> Kamion: but he uses the initrd of the _old_ kernel and it boots (it cannot possible be a modules thing; the modules won't link against his new kernel)
<atho> HI2U
<rvalles> Kamion: and he doesn't and it doesn't
<typo> is there any way I can make the ubuntu packages supercede the debian ones in all cases, even if it means downgrading?
<Kamion> rvalles: weirdness!
<Burgundavia> typo: you can force the install
<tritium> atho, oh, you're on PPC, sorry...didn't see that.  Thanks for catching that Kamion
<atho> :P
<atho> Kamion, any ideas?
<atho> Hotplug subsystem freezes
<typo> Burgundavia: I can fix it case by case, but I wanted to do it for everything
<Burgundavia> typo: and you force, remember to remove the sid repo
<Kamion> atho: not right now sorry
<Burgundavia> typo: don't know sorry
<rvalles> Kamion: well, it's ssh time
<Kamion> rvalles: I do think the kernel must be broken though, there's no reason it shouldn't be able to boot by itself
<atho> :|
<rvalles> Kamion: there's no reason it would boot with an initrd which contains modules for a different kernel version
<rvalles> Kamion: either
<Kamion> rvalles: not if the module ABI has changed, certainly
<typo> epiphany is back :)
<Kamion> rvalles: which leads me to believe there's more going on than is being described :)
<tritium> typo, cool :)
<esher> iam search for a nice terminal font for "terminal-console" under x
<esher> fixed font, like terminal are :)
<atho> Does anyone think upgrading to Hoary from Warty will work?
<atho> To skip the hotplug subsys problem
<tritium> atho, have you tried the Hoary LiveCD?
<lok> atho, why does you think it does not works ?
<lok> hoary have no probleme
<atho> Installing from Hoary gives the freeze
<lok> the installer ?
<lok> or after the install ?
<mramm> If I install ndiswrapper, install the drivers, check the driver instalation (ndiswrapper -l), and do the modprobe, but am still not able to see anything on wlan0 are there any debugging steps I can try?
<lok> iwconfig mramm
<lok> then ifconfig wlan0 up
<mramm> ifconfig wlan0 up brings something up, but no traffic ever hits it
<lok> iwconfig wlan0 can config it
<mayang> tritium,I just install kde-core
<mramm> iwconfig shows the interface, but iwconfig commands will not work (for istance I can't get it to accept a essid change)
<lok> change the mode first to change essid
<tritium> mayang, okay, it's entirely up to you :)
<lok> mode Ad-Hoc
<lok> then change the essid
<mayang> 3.4 is quit bealtiful than 3.2
<udubuntu> greetings #ubuntu
<tritium> hi udubuntu
<mramm> lok: that seems to work.  Thanks
* udubuntu is relatively new to the Hoary Hedgehog and so far I'm loving it
<andril> hey all
<udubuntu> Am I the only one who waits up to 5 minutes for Gnome to load?
<andril> I need help making shortcuts or launchers to apps
<Zugot> i'm so sad...
<Zugot> none of my software works on amd64 linux
<Zugot> so i have to revert to x86
<udubuntu> I saw the faq and tried the .ICEauthority suggestion but to no avail
<mayang> now I am do system updating
<lok> Zugot, I m on a x86_64 and my software works
<udubuntu> has anyone here solved the GNOME-takes-ages-to-start problem?
<tritium> udubuntu, I haven't experienced it
<lok> all the software except microsoft oriented ones (acroread, flash, wine)
<zooko> Zugot: I'm going 64-bit all the way, so far.
<udubuntu> tritium: ah, i c
<tritium> udubuntu, sorry, otherwise I'd try to help
<naikuty> zooko, I just cannot get my Xserver up on AMD64
<udubuntu> tritium: thanks - much appreciated
<mramm> OK.  Now the wlan0 interface is up, and the essid is set, but still not a single transmited or recieved packet.
<udubuntu> tritium: any idea where I may find help?
<tritium> udubuntu, you've tried the right places...
<andril> can someone help me with shortt cuts?
<Keizer> <3
<tritium> andril, do you want launchers on your panel?
<Keizer> Hey guys, i've got a problem with my wireless DWL-G650 card
<udubuntu> tritium: looks like I'll fix it then - and then provide the answer :-)
<lok> naikuty zooko, I just cannot get my Xserver up on AMD64 << I don't how you do but I never had one probleme with X due to the x86_64
<mramm> I have a dell 1170 card, which is a broadcom 4301 chipset.  Ndiswrapper installs, the driver shows up, but I can't get it to transmit a packet.
<tritium> udubuntu, :)
<mramm> keizer; what kind of problem?
<Keizer> It can't find my network
<lok> mramm, you want to make what type of network ? ad-hoc ?
<mramm> Keizer: did it work previously?
<Keizer> I'm in windows and the card works fine.
<Keizer> I want to boot back into Linux and have internet. I'm reading some stuff
<mramm> I have an access point, with encryption.
<Keizer> But I don't think Ubuntu is going to support it even though the site says it will.
<lok> an access point does not use ad-hoc mode
<mramm> I started by trying managed, but then I couldn't change the essid.
<lok> juste configure the password and channel
<lok> you don't need to set the essid in this mode
<Keizer> Mine is not encrypted
<CarlK_> how do you see what cards are in?
<CarlK_> lscard or something
<lok> network card ?
<CarlK_> pcmica
<zooko> naikuty: what kind of graphics card have you?
<naikuty> zooko, via s3 unichrome based K8m800
<Keizer> I'm using PCMCIA
<lok> it depends in what does the card do
<mramm> trying it now.  Thanks!
<lok> if it's for a wireless network use iwconfig
<CarlK_> na, there is soemthing that will probe the cards and return there ID's
<typo> what's the package for the panel package update stuff?
<naikuty> zooko, there was no problem with warty/xfree86/x-86
<burbuja> hi all!
<Keizer> What's the command to bring up the wireless network search in Bash?
<Keizer> The stupid installation crashed on me last time.
<Keizer> Fedora didn't crash
<CarlK_> Keizer - long shot: ifup -a
<naikuty> zooko, yesterday i updated to Hoary/AMD64 & this is Xorg - the vesa mode which earlier used to work doesn't work now
<zooko> naikuty: I just ran "google ubuntu k8m800" and got several interesting hits in the top 10...
<Keizer> CarlK_, Ok, I'm going to reboot and go into Ubuntu. It it doesn't work i'm going back to Fedora
<lok> naikuty, have you verify that the driver use by Xorg is realy vesa
<Keizer> I know my chipset is Atheros
<CarlK_> Keizer - hang on a sec.
<CarlK_> I may have the same card
<CarlK_> dlink 650?
<Keizer> Yes
<naikuty> zooko, the first link from the search is exactly my problem
<Keizer> It says AirPlus on it?
<CarlK_> the part that is sticking out says "dwl-650+ dlink airplus"
<CarlK_> yup
<naikuty> lok, how do i do that, I just gave vesa in the driver section
<CarlK_> but... I here dlink changed the inside a few times, and there are relly 4 different versions under that name
<Keizer> Mine doesn't have a "+" on the end, it just says AirPlus
<CarlK_> I am hoping that the ID returned by the card is a bit more usefull
<CarlK_> but I can't remember how to probe it
<bwlang> CarlK_: cardctl ident
<Keizer> I know it's an Atheros chipset
<CarlK_> thats it!
<lok> naikuty, edit the xorg.conf file all is in
<CarlK_> wtf...    product info: "Wireless Network CardBus PC Card", "Global", "", ""
<mramm> Still no packets transmited or recieved.   Shouldn't I be able to see some packets going out, even if I don't have the right cripto stuff?
<CarlK_> Keizer - you get that and "manfid: 0x0097, 0x8402"
<naikuty> lok, I made the xorg.con as similar as possible with the working config of XFree86 from a previous installation, but it doesn't just seem to work
<andril> tritium: that would be fine - but also on the desktop
<andril> I JUST INSTALLED THE Opera browser
<tritium> andril, on the panel, right-click and choose Add to Panel.  Then, choose Custom Application Launcher
<CarlK_> does grub support mutiple append lines?
<CarlK_> and/or, does grub support global settings, then specific ones under each "lable"?
<andril> ok
<zooko> So.... if I'm about to compile 2.6.10+ubuntu packages, using kernel-package, can someone supply me with a sample .config that is likely to actually boot?
<andril> tritium: ok I am there
<setite_> anyone have a widescreen monitor?
<setite_> anyone have a widescreen monitor and know how to set custom resolutions
<tritium> zooko, there are configs in /boot for kernel images you have installed
<zooko> tritium: excellent!  Thanks!
<tritium> np :)
<zooko> Thanks, #ubuntu!  See you later
<tritium> andril, okay, you just need to fill out a few fields then
<andril> that's where the issue begins
<virtuald> setite_: no i don't but hand edit /etc/xorg.conf, you'll get the idea when you see the lists of resolutions
<setite_> i updated my driver... and now the current resolution properly stretches instead of being in 1:1 with b lack bards
<tritium> andril, okay, like what?
<andril> the command
<setite_> virtuald  ive tried replacing and changing values in the xorg.conf
<setite_> never works
<tritium> andril, which opera
<setite_> it makes GDM not run
<setite_> ive copied and pasted code from a few forum threads but nothing has worked so far
<andril> Opera 7.54u2
<Keizer> CarlK_, Ok, reboot time
<setite_> can you recommend a forum to me
<setite_> i didnt find what i needed at the ubuntu forum
<tritium> andril, can you type that command in the terminal please?
<flyingsquirrel54> I'm trying to install synaptic on my brand new system but don't have a c compiler, don't know apt either
<virtuald> setite_: :/
<setite_> yea....
<virtuald> i don't use forums
<setite_> i have another driver though
<setite_> from nvidias site
<setite_> its a .run
<setite_> what do i use
<setite_> alien?
<setite_> or just dpkg the file as it is
<andril> i don't know the command
<setite_> how do i use alien again
<virtuald> setite_: chmod +x file and then ./file
<tritium> andril, "which opera"
<andril> Opera7.54u2
<virtuald> chmod +x sets execute permissions on it
<setite_> thta makes it executable right
<setite_> cool
<andril> tritium, Opera 7.54u2
<tritium> andril, that's the output from the command?
<tritium> andril, is opera installed from a .deb package?
<andril> probaly not I downloaded it form the site
<setite_> damn i have to run it from CLI
<setite_> grrr
<setite_> forget that
<virtuald> :)
<andril> uncompressed the folder and click on the opera file to get it started
<setite_> yea i dont like messing with cli
<Burgundavia> tritium: yes
<elhinto5000> anyone know why i dont get sound in flash??
<Burgundavia> tritium: I think
<setite_> i always make a blunder of it
<elhinto5000> i just installed flash-mozilla and i get no sound
<elhinto5000> everything else i get sound with
<tritium> andril, and it installed?
<elhinto5000> rythembox, xmms, tv card
<virtuald> setite_: then you should use the nvidia driver in ubuntus restricted section
<virtuald> and not touch the official release
<tritium> andril, "which opera" should return the full path
<CarlK_> Keizer - I am going to install hoary server with my (your?) card - should be done in about 30 min
<netventure> setite: FYI, there's a deb package available for Opera
<setite_> virtual did that alread
<setite_> net... why you telling me about opera
<tritium> andril, you still there?
<andril> tritium: I am lost
<elhinto5000> ok
<setite_> i dont want opera
<setite_> tried it... like it on windows... hate in on linux
<netventure> oops! sowwy, mixed up nicks
<tritium> andril, okay, did opera install for you?
<elhinto5000> im getting no sound in flash. i installed flash-mozilla from apt, everything else plays sound but flash, any help??
<tigrux> Where can I see the list of current packages for Ubuntu?
<andril> all I did is extract to folder
<wezzer> I don't like the idea of paying for web browser
<Kamion> tigrux: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
<tritium> andril, netventure mentioned that there's a .deb for opera.  Did you realize this?
<andril> I keep it free like Ubuntu
<tigrux> Kamion: Thanks.
<andril> really - where
<netventure> andril: here
<netventure> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20i386&lng=en&ver=7.54u2&platform=Linux%20i386&local=y
<setite_> anyone know off hand if there is a linux driver for the logitech mx510?
<andril> ok - I downloaded the Other/Static DEB one
<andril> netventure: did you get this installed?
<netventure> andril: sorry, I never tried, not really into opera
<netventure> andril: have you tried dpkg -i opera-xxxxxxxxx.deb ??
<andril> nope wil do
<tigrux> Can anyone that had used mandrake before tell me why should I use Ubuntu instead of Mandrake? I still use mandrake, but I don't like the new cycle of releases of Mandrake, so I could change of distro.
<netventure> setite: try this page: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=108762&postcount=5
<netventure> setite: it says MS Optical, but I guess it was also meant for the mx510
<elhinto5000> anyone know how to get flash to play sound?
<Keizer> CarlK_, I just did the ident
<andril> not working
<kotatsu> tigrux: ubuntu will make you a 1337 h4x0r? dunno, try it and see if you like it =) IIRC, mandrake is KDE based, so you might give kubuntu a spin... honestly though, if mandrake already works, there's no reason apart from curiousity for you to switch
<andril> or I am just screwed
<Keizer> Of course it doesn't work
<erik> hey, how do I set up pppoe with ubuntu?
<CarlK_> Keizer - "doesn't work"?
<Keizer> CarlK_, I didn't have the same chip as you
<Keizer> Mine is Atheros Communications AR 5001
<CarlK_> damm dlink!
<tigrux> kotatsu: I'm a gnome user, actually I'm very happy with my gnome 2.10.0, but I'm using a non-official repository.
<CarlK_> Keizer - "manfid: 0x0097, 0x8402" ?
<kotatsu> tigrux: I can definitely say that ubuntu is the best out-of-the-box GNOME setup I've used... everything works extremely well and I didn't run across any show-stopping bugs while I was using Warty (stable release)
<tigrux> kotatsu: I have noticed Ubuntu follows the gnome cycle release closely, but mandrake does not, and mandrake does not have updates for gnome as often as I want.
<Keizer> CarlK_, 0x0271 0x0012
<kotatsu> tigrux: your desire to switch should be based on how satisfied you are with mandrake =)
<Kamion> tigrux: having the GNOME release manager on staff does something to help with that ;)
<elhinto5000> anyone know how to get flash to play sound?
<kotatsu> tigrux: in that case, I'd recommend trying out ubuntu - it's very nice to get GNOME fresh out of the oven every 6 months
<CarlK_> Keizer - did you install Warty (current stable) or Hoary (beta) ?
<kotatsu> although I don't think I'll ever be able to stay with the stable ubuntu release for more than a month or two on my workstation
<kotatsu> devel branches have too many tempting new toys
<Keizer> CarlK_, Hoary
<Keizer> CarlK_, I think I found a driver online
<maximaus> elhinto5000, flash *should* have sound w/o configuration, perhaps you have some other app tying up the sound card?
<tigrux> kotatsu: I like to create hacks for my apps, as well as recompiling for optimizing. Is it easy with Ubuntu/deb?
<Keizer> http://linux.seindal.dk/item23.html
<tigrux> kotatsu: I'm used to create rpms, and it seems to be easy. I don't how easy is for deb.
<zenrox> boy ubuntu is loading really slow after yesterdats updates
<kotatsu> tigrux: not sure what you mean by "hacks" but sure, you can recompile packages if you really want to... it's much easier and faster to just install binaries though
<elhinto5000> max: exactly which flash should i install?  does it matter?
<maximaus> elhinto5000, I
<kotatsu> tigrux: "optimizing" is an uncertain science at best and doesn't always give you significant speed gains
<maximaus> 'm using the bog standard from the site.
<tigrux> kotatsu: But example, translating applications, or fixing minor bugs I.
<xigle1> Hey folks. I really can't understand what's going on with the hoary repositories these days. I just did a clean install of Hoary Array 7, and the first thing I did was to add the universe repository and did a apt-get update. And this is what's happening when I do a apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad: ...unmet dependencies: libmad0 but it is not installable (the same with libid3tag0), broken packages. Really, is it just me? Tried this 3 times now, the same with ho
<Keizer> CarlK_, What do you think?
<maximaus> elhinto5000, try running gnome-system-montior, kill any apps that might be using the soundcard, and even "esd" for good measure and try your flash thing again. (ESD is the sound server and can be wierd at times)
<Keizer> Can apt install xinit?
<kotatsu> tigrux: the best resource for that is  http://www.debian.org/doc/ - read through the developers stuff
<Keizer> I don't have x on there.
<kotatsu> tigrux: that should give you some idea about how difficult it will be for you to switch from RPM to DEB
<elhinto5000> maximaus: so i would have to kill esd everytime?  thats kinda crappy
<medi> hello
<medi> hay alguien que able castellano?
<zooko> tigrux: I hack lots of my own apps.
<zooko> I generally just use gnu stow and install my versions in /usr/local/stow/...
<zenrox> this is anoying gnome has finised loading up my bars yet and i dont see my menus even yet
<maximaus> elhinto5000, no, not at all, every now and then it gets carried away. Flash sound works fine for me out of the box, btw (Warty)
<zenrox> has=hasnt
<medi> alguien controla en programacion en entorno de terminales??
<CarlK_> Keizer - reading that link
<elhinto5000> max: exactly what package did you install for flash? or did you just do the install plugin button on firefox?
<zooko> Hm.  These instructions for installing Sun's java 1.5 didn't work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
<maximaus> elhinto5000, I just grabbed the plugin from an old Fedora install and threw it in my ~.firefox/plugins folder and it worked.
<elhinto5000> ok thanks
<medi> please, any people can help me in a programation problem?
<zenrox> zooko, follow this one www.ubuntuguide.org
<tigrux> zooko: OK, but what about merging your patches to a deb, and recompiling. Is it easy?
<zenrox> right thru to the pluging install too
<zooko> These instructions didn't work either: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
<netventure> medi: what's the prob?
<zooko> (I'm on a hoaryish amd64...)
<zenrox> oh
<zooko> tigrux: I've never compiled a .deb.  Well, actually I compile my kernel into debs...
<zenrox> thats makes a difference
<zooko> Oh wait -- I'm not going to get Sun's java going on amd64.  NEvermind.  :-{
<elhinto5000> works if i kill esd
<CarlK_> Keizer -woa... now lspci shows "Texas Instruments ACK 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface
<elhinto5000> i hope after a reboot it works
<zooko> elhinto5000: yes, I recently upgraded my hoary, and alsa sound stopped working.\
<Burgundavia> elhinto5000: it is trying to access /dev/dsp I bet
<elhinto5000> how do i change it?
<zooko> the workaround was sudo kill esd before running something that used alsa sound.  :-/
<medi> can i pass the info of an archive to a variable?
<elhinto5000> :-\
<zooko> I used to report things like this to debian bug tracker.
<medi> sorry, but i speak reeeeally bad english
<dts> how do i add entries to my applications menu?
<medi> xD
<zooko> I would do the same for ubuntu, but I haven't been able to report bugs successfully yet...
<tigrux> zooko: For example, I modified gnome-speech to add it support for mexican Spanish. So i made my own rpm, modifying the one of Mandrake. I don't want to loss that flexibility, that's why I'm asking a lot. :-)
<zooko> tigrux: Now I see what you want -- you want your hacked things to satisfy the dependency requirements of other packages.
<CarlK_> Keizer - that page lists some steps that are what I did to add an Atmel card to a Warty install, so give it a shot
<zooko> That's definitely doable -- people do that, but I don't.
<zooko> Maybe a tool called "equivs" will help...
<zooko> Why is ubuntuguide.org not something that I was previously introduced to via ubuntu.com?
<dts> this can't be a hard question, how do i modify the applications menu?
<zooko> Oh cool -- Sun's Java *is* compiled for Linux AMD64.
* zooko tries the ubuntuguide approach.
<tigrux> zooko: Kind of, but I'm talking about creating your own patches. For example, mergeant didn't compile with gnome-db 1.2, then I created a patch for mergeant, and I uploaded my custom rpm to mandrake's incoming ftp, and it was commited. : )  That's the kind of flexibility I'm refering.
<zenrox> with the amd64 ver of java zooko ?
<xigle1> what version of hoary should I use to get as little trouble as possible regarding universe repository? ?
<CarlK_> xigle1 - the latest ;)
<bhna> xigle1> the latest ;-)
<xiglet> CarlK_: Have tried preview and array 7, both fails
<zooko> tigrux: I think you're talking about two different things: 1. your hacked package satisfies another package's dependencies, so that you are not required to install the original unhacked package in order to install the other one.  2. submitting patches to upstream to be included in new official releases.  IS that right?
<tigrux> zooko: Or at least to a Contrib repository. Yes.
<xiglet> guess I have to try debian or something then ... :-|
<zooko> Hm.  So you're talking about a 3rd things-- sharing your packaged hacked apps for other people to use your packages.
<zooko> That last thing is a bigger deal in RPM land than in Deb land.
<zooko> Possibly because in Deb land there are semi-official packages for almost everything, so there isn't as much need for individually maintained packages.
<zooko> However, the way it is done in debland is that you upload your package to a separate apt source server.
<CarlK_> speaking of debs, some unknown person wants to make a .deb for kRecipies and I am willig to test, but want to take proper steps to avoid a trogen - what should I do?
<tolle> I'm having some strange problems with my Wireless network
<zooko> There is not a general purpose "Contrib" server space the way there is in RPMland.  Although maybe Hoary multiverse is slightly like that, but only one package of each software is kept there.  :-)
<zooko> CarlK_: sigh
<tolle> The card is detected and all, and so is the accesspoint.. I just get a realy high package loss..
<zooko> CarlK_: test it on a virginal system then wipe and reinstall operating system after testing?  :-(
<tolle> Is there anything else that could cause it other then a broken card?
<zooko> CarlK_: newer better ways to do this are coming -- things like Xen.
<CarlK_> zooko - that is very doable - I install hoary over once a day
<zooko> CarlK_: someday, people will be amazed when we tell them that we had to do this in order to test new software safely...
<tolle> The card uses the ath_pci driver. So a bad driver shouldnt cause it as far as i know.
<CarlK_> well, I try to.. just got an error ;)
<dtudosie> hi everybody
<dtudosie> I have an issue with my printer in hoary
<tigrux> zooko: Interesting, I will give ubuntu a try.
<tigrux> zooko: Thanks.
<CarlK_> zooko - I am amazed at how many people don't test on clean boxes
<dtudosie> after I launch a print job, in a few seconds it shows a paused printer icon and it wont print...
<setite> shit
<setite> it still doesnt work
<dtudosie> anybody have an ideea ?
<setite> anyone wanna take a gander at my xorg.conf and tell me what im doing wrong
<zooko> CarlK_: I guess I overlooked an already-mature way to do it: chroot
<zooko> CarlK_: But it seems like possibly more work to do that than to reinstall the OS...
<dtudosie> I have an epson stylus c20sx
<CarlK_> zooko - I was more interested in getting "the source" so that I could review and maybe even build the .deb myself
<CarlK_> but I have no clue what it takes to build a .deb, and after reading up on it I get the feeling that isn't resonable
<[koji] > will the final hoary release still be using the same repo?
<setite> does anyone know where ps/2 or USB is preferrable
<setite> for mouse and keyboard
<zooko> xiglet: I think current hoary works fine for installing things from universe and multiverse.  Was that your question?
* zooko finished installing Java.
<setite> like for gaming... is there any proof or general accepted notions that USB is faster/better/more responsive or that PS/2 is
<CarlK_> zooko - are you up on the Moinmon markup stuff?
<zooko> CarlK_: Nope.
<CarlK_> oh yeah.. this is mine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
<CarlK_> soon to be referenced by HandsOffInstall
<CarlK_> once I figure out how I did it ;)
<typo> does anyone know how I can make xorg do multihead with my laptop's monitor port?
<appleseed> anyone know what -HUP means? in regards to killall -HUP
<bleck> i'm testing the hoary-preview-live-powerpc on a G3 BW. The system (and desktop) loads but the system is extremely slowwww
<CarlK_> typo - not all laptops support it, and #xorg is a good place to ask
<zooko> appleseed: different apps might interpret it differently
<rapha> Hi all!
<bluefoxicy> What exactly does gcj do?
<DarthFrog> appleseed: Basically to reprocess the config file.
<zooko> appleseed: some servers reread their config files and then restart, when they get HUP.
<zooko> appleseed: lots of apps die when they receive it though.  ;-)
<rapha> How do you get Samba to work with Hoary (sharing and also accessing other shares)? I got it installed, but starting the daemon fails ...
<appleseed> DarthFrog,zooko: cool thanks. was just wondering :)
<CarlK_> appleseed - man kill has some explanation
<beloDRAK> hi
<appleseed> CarlK_, thanks I'll check it out
<DarthFrog> appleseed: It is also known as SIGHUP and "kill -1".
<zenrox> this is just driving me nuts
<zenrox> takes forever gor gnome to load
<beloDRAK> is it possible to manually add xfce into the "Sessions" option in GDM?
<zooko> zenrox: yes, amd64 version of java 1.5
<zenrox> for gnome
<typo> CarlK_: this one does
<typo> CarlK_: I'm trying there, thanks
<zenrox> and i dont have any thang RUNNING
<appleseed> can anyone give me their opinions on software for this setup: 2 laptops and 1 desktop. I want to setup mail and filesharing on the server, so the 2 laptops can mail eachother and store files on the server.
<netventure> rapha: do you get any error messages when starting it?
<deFrysk> beloDRAK, thats not needed
<appleseed> what mailserver. and is iFolder the right thing to use for the file sharing?
<rapha> netventure: no, unfortunately not
<deFrysk> it does that automaticly
<Kamion> [koji] : yes
<CarlK_> damm, my append line is 293 chars...
<beloDRAK> deFrysk: I've installed Xfce with an installer and it isnt in the GDM
<Kamion> CarlK_: build a deb> install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'
<netventure> checked /var/log/samba/log/smbd, log.nmbd ??
<enrico_> Hello.  Does someone know of internationalised Ubuntu Live CDs?  We would like to distribute some Ubuntu live CDs in Italy, but we'd need them preset to Italian, with OOo Italian spellchecking, thesaurus and so on
<enrico_> Does something like that already exist?
<deFrysk> beloDRAK, there is a repo listed in osworks.com wich works exellent on ubuntu , also docs are provided there howto set the sesiion up manually when installing with the installer
<rapha> netventure: Unable to open printcap file
<deFrysk> beloDRAK, in short read the docs on os-works.com
<setite> can anyone look at my xorg and tell me why it wont work
<rapha> netventure: but creating one didn't help
<netventure> rapha: that shouldn't really be a problem, me thinks
<beloDRAK> deFrysk: ok , i'll try, thnx
<rapha> netventure: I also saysparams.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
<rapha> netventure: And "params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file."
<terry_> I am trying to install ia32-libs and I am getting this message: error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
<terry_> What is it trying to link to where, or how would I find out, I tried looking through the control files of the package, but it didnt shed any light on the problem
<rapha> Oh
<rapha> netventure: got it started
<appleseed> any opinions on decent mailserver software for a small network?
<rapha> netventure: But in "Places > Network Servers" and then "Windows Network", it doesn't even find itself ... not to speak of the Windows machine on the net
<DarthFrog> appleseed: ubuntu defaults to using postfix, which is quite good.  I prefer, and use, exim.
<appleseed> DarthFrog, thanks again, i'll look it up
<DarthFrog> appleseed: But you'll get more support for postfix as it is the Ubuntu default.
<jdub> appleseed: go postfix. :-)
<appleseed> DarthFrog, jdub: will do, ta :)
<Anubis> wtf is wrong with xmms?
<Anubis> sometimes it works sometimes it segfaults
<Anubis> Rhythmbox won't play shit
<netventure> Anubis: try bmp
<netventure> beep media player
<Anubis> damn whats left?
<Anubis> bmp looks ugly
<netventure> :O
<CarlK_> Kamion - what should I ask the maintainer to send me?  (script, make file, "the files needed so I can run debuild" )
<netventure> xmms is GTK1.x
<Anubis> at least with the default skin
<Anubis> it uses winamp skins?
<netventure> I agree... bmp can use a few better skins
<deFrysk> Anubis, also yes
<netventure> but that's all that's bad
<Kamion> CarlK_: "source package"
<CarlK_> Kamion - bingo. thanks
<Kamion> CarlK_: source packages for all packages are already in the archive, so you should rarely need to ask for it
<setite> this is sad.... i find myself missing windows
<setite> widescreen added a whole new hurdle to leap... and i keep tripping
<CarlK_> Kamion - this is for kRecipies, a project on sf.net, that currently has no .deb .rpm .ebuild. nutin.
<setite> anyone know where i can get cedega cvs
<Kamion> ok
<setite> i plan to buy it... but i cant yet... not till i get paid tomorrow
<zenrox> setite,  but the trippings are ok at least you get back up
<setite> yea well now i know how
<zenrox> hehehe
<setite> took a few hours to learn to get back up from the xorg.conf blunders
<setite> im using code directly from forums
<setite> people with my same problem... thats the part that is driving me nuts
<setite> also i love counterstrike and i cant find cedega cvs...
<setite> and if i boot back to windows i wont be back for a few days... happens everytime
<zenrox> setite,  sine up for a free account and get the code
<setite> so i get the cvs from the official site
<plagerism> quit
<zenrox> setite,  yep
<setite> gracias
<zenrox> setite,  allso look at torrents to find a deb allready made
<setite> hey would you like to look at a portion of my xorg.conf to see if you can figure out what im doing wrong
<mastergoon> anyone else have problems with firefox crashing a ton on hoary?
<zooko> mastergoon: not me
<garrut> nope, just the download problem
<mastergoon> hmmm :\
<omni_lonnie> nope, no problems here..
<knewt> my only firefox problem is something i've filed a bug report for, with a patch. but hasn't even been looked at yet
<zooko> I have a problem that it doesn't offer a feature to cmdline open a URL in a new tab and *not* pop to front.
<zooko> And a problem that it doesn't have a feature to stay running a server so that when I invoke it with -remote it will *not* pop to front.
<flyingsquirrel54> hey, I'm brand new to ubuntu; no c compiler with def install?
<zooko> ... these are two things that galeon already does nicely for me...
<mastergoon> apt-get install gcc
<knewt> well, ok, i do have another firefox problem but it's really a gtk2 bug
<flyingsquirrel54> thx
<mastergoon> gcc-4.0 is there if you want on hoary, havent tested it much yet though
<zooko> Whee!  I built my kernel! -rw-r--r--   1 root src  13237294 Mar 23 13:35 ./kernel-image-2.6.10_customyumyum.6.0_amd64.deb
<flyingsquirrel54> mastergoon: how can I get a list of available? new to apt.
<mastergoon> flyingsquirrel54, apt-cache search gcc
<flyingsquirrel54> awsome. thanks.
<virtuald> does ubuntu do source code security auditing?
<Tilos> Is there a simple way to graphically log in to a remote Ubuntu box?
<mastergoon> sure
<arverne> anybody know why usb drive don't automount anymore (on hoary with all the updates)?
<SlugO> how can i get hoary live-cd to detect my cd-rom drive? it just says that No common CD-rom drive was detected
<virtuald> got a common cd-rom drive :P
<virtuald> get
<SlugO> so my LG isn't common enough :p
<SlugO> ?
<knewt> hmm. 4 days without acknowledgement of filed bug.
<Pluk> hi all
<SlugO> this seems to be a common problem with debian installers...
<Burgundavia> knewt: which bug?
<knewt> Burgundavia: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7931
<Burgundavia> knewt: we are in cram for relase now
<Burgundavia> knewt: I would wait. I am certain they have seen it
<no0tic> last python-xdg package: python-xdg_0.9-1_all  is bugged, it crashes gdesklets starter bar
<no0tic> the previous version was ok
<Burgundavia> no0tic: there is some work being done on that right now
<no0tic> Burgundavia: thanks, I was reporting it ;)
<aLiAsYnOnYm> anyone here who knows how to run Quake3 on Ubuntu ??
<Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: yes
<Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: running hoary?
<aLiAsYnOnYm> 4.10
<Burgundavia> hmm
<Burgundavia> what does it do?
<flyingsquirrel54> trying to install perl module; is there an authoritative collection on the web?
<akk> WHat's a "non-conventional window manager"?
<Burgundavia> flyingsquirrel54: cpan?
<Burgundavia> akk: something other than metacity
<akk> Burgundavia: I'm using fvwm and xremote works for me in firefox, though it's been broken in mozilla since the aviary landing.
<Burgundavia> akk: I don't run one of those, but add your confirmation to the bug report then
<Burgundavia> akk: it might move faster
<aLiAsYnOnYm> Burgundavia do you know a web page explaining the installation etc?? i just wanted to inform me if it works before i try it myself ...
<akk> Burgundavia: I'm reading the mozilla bug report trying to figure out what the actual bug is.
<akk> Burgundavia: The ubuntu bug report doesn't have any details at all.
<Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: I didn't isntall it
<Keizer> CarlK_, You there?
<Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: I have a copy that was copied over
<Keizer> I don't have the appropriate stuff to fix this wireless problem I believe.
<Keizer> How can I execute the command to edit the network settings?
* akk wonders if the mozilla.org bug is actually about the mozilla behavior (there are other bugs on that as well) and not firefox
<aLiAsYnOnYm> Burgundavia : and that's it ?? hmm, sounds nice..
<akk> No, it says firefox.  Shrug.  I guess fvwm and probably icewm don't need these props, whatever they are.  Maybe it's just ion.
<Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: sorry I cannot help you
<LeeJunFan> everyone else seeing openoffice.org broken on amd64 systems suddenly? anyone know what changed - I should pay more attention to my updates :)
<zooko> mine works.  i haven't upgraded it recently.  oops -- i think i removed it yesterday so now i might be in trouble...
<Keizer> I'm going to give Ubuntu one last install attempt.
<Dr_Willis> hmmm.
<rosco> hi
<Pluk> hi rosco
<rosco> Is it already possible to boot the hoary preview (64)  on a plextor sata drd rewriter ?
<^thehatsrule^> anything, is possible ;p
<rosco> I remember that a file should be modified and recompiled for  sata dvd to work
<rosco> kernel in fact
<nasdaq7> hi does anyone know how to open .wpd files?
<Dr_Willis> serial ata dvd? they make those?
<flyingsquirrel54> okay, I'm brand new to debian based installs. trying to get synaptic to ease the pain. need XML:: Parser first. when I told Perl to install it, it lead me through a long list of options I did the best I can, but now it fails to compile
<rosco> yes, but they are'nt fully recognized on linux, I should recompile the kernel, but it's hard to do it if the system isn't installed before
<Dr_Willis> WPD = Document; PFS:WindowWorks, - i would try openoffice or abiword
<Dr_Willis> flyingsquirrel54,  hmm... synaptic needs that?
<flyingsquirrel54> the problem is that the list of errors is so long I can see where the train left the track so to speak
<flyingsquirrel54> that's what it told me
<Kamion> flyingsquirrel54: try installing the libxml-parser-perl package
<Dr_Willis> i dont revcall ever needing to install that stuff :P just apt-get install synaptic  should download all ya need.
<flyingsquirrel54> ok from apt-get, right?
<Kamion> flyingsquirrel54: yes
<Kamion> Dr_Willis: he was trying to use synaptic to get it, not trying to get it in order to use synaptic :)
<lizdeika_> to be removed: libc6-i686, ubuntu-base. Is this OK ?
<Dr_Willis> Kamion,  lol :P
<Kamion> lizdeika_: no, glibc's broken
<lizdeika_> so better not dist-upgrade ?
<Kamion> indeed
<Kamion> it's been brought to the uploader's attention
<o8b> greetings
<o8b> can anyone tell me where i can bind packages for ubuntu
<o8b> sorry find not bing
<o8b> bid
<o8b> bind
<shinu> xD
<spiral> ouah... no updates today ?
<kevman> Hey, when I try to make something, I get this error: "configure: error: Can't find X includes""
* VladDrac still regrets his upgrade from sarge->hoary
<kevman> I assume I need to get the x develop package, but I don't know what package to get
* VladDrac 's gonna fix things by reinstalling ubuntu from scratch
<VladDrac> but ubuntu's lost all the karma it gained by running so smoothly on my laptop :(
<shinu> is hoary that bad?
<akk> kevman: apt-get build-dep for a similar X package should get all the X headers and other development requirements.
<VladDrac> hoary is great
<VladDrac> but the howto on the website saying a migration from sarge to hoary is possible should ber emoved
<Burgundavia> VladDrac: can it be fixed>
<shinu> ah...
<Burgundavia> ?
<shinu> see what you mean
<VladDrac> burgundavia: I didn't manage to - my fix is a reinstall (and losing my system configuration in the process)
<kevman> akk, what would the command be? I don't understand you.
<Burgundavia> VladDrac: right
* VladDrac suffers from a crashing gnomepanel and nautilus
<Burgundavia> VladDrac: at least one other person had that
<akk> kevman: What are you trying to build?
<kevman> Just a KDE theme
<akk> kevman: Do you have any other kde themes already installed?
<kevman> No, I just got KDE a few hours ago.
<apokryphos> Check into #kubuntu
<kevman> I think I got it...
<akk> kevman: Try something like: apt-get build-dep kde-icons-crystal
<akk> kevman: using any kde theme package name.  That should get all the build requirements.
<kevman> Well, I'm fetching xlibs-dev now... We'll see of that works
<robertj> http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/ <-- Finally, pages to go alogn with the swfs on Rob's hall of Grumpyness ;)
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<robertj> mdz: how many of those gripes go to Ubuntu bugzilla and how many to gnome?
<mdz> robertj: what gripes?
<Anubis> kubuntu is the dumbest shit I have ever heard
<robertj> http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/ has a list of 4 complete with swf, there pretty self explanatory
<Anubis> when you can obviously install KDE on Ubuntu?
<mdz> Anubis: easy, now
<Kamion> Anubis: it's thanks to the Kubuntu guys that KDE is maintained/supported on Ubuntu
<kevman> Well, now I need Qt, but of course can't figurew out the package name
<Dr_Willis> I agree with Kamion
<mdz> Kubuntu and "KDE on Ubuntu" are essentially the same project
<DarthFrog> Anubis: It's a proper word in Bemba, one of the Bantu languages.  Means, "to humanity".
<akk> kevman: You know about apt-cache search and aptitude search?
<robertj> Kubuntu is a very boring project, but I don't have any problems with it
<neiras> Anubis, GNOME gets a lot of extra love from the Ubuntu team to make it work well... KDE folks just wanted to let people know that they're doing the same for KDE
<neiras> I think having a separate distro name is stupid
<appleseed> are there any good tools for configuring postfix?
<DarthFrog> appleseed: Have a look at Webmin.
<kevman> akk, Yes, but they are aall like documentations and tools for developing.
<Dr_Willis> webmin is  Handy at times.
<appleseed> DarthFrog, does it run on ubuntu though? I've heard there's problems with it
<lamont> appleseed: there's a webmin module, but I've never used it
<lamont> appleseed: fwiw, I use vi...
<ytrabbit> Hey Ubuntians! What's going on?
<appleseed> lamont, for postfix config?
<kevman> libqt3-dev?
<neiras> Does anyone know what the "autorun programs on newly inserted media" option in gnome-volume-manager actually runs?
<akk> kevman: Adding a "| grep dev" to the end of the search line is often appropriate when you're trying to find development headers.
<DarthFrog> appleseed: I'm not aware of that.  I don't see why there should be any problems, other than the lack of a root password, though.  So if you enable a root password, I would think it would run OK.
<appleseed> DarthFrog, thanks, i'll have a go
<Dr_Willis> enable the root password - befor installing webmin
<robertj> mdz: did you take a looksy?
<mdz> robertj: no, I cannot look at it right now
<mdz> I have about 3 days of work to do today :-)
<Skid> anyone know if asterisk is in any warty backports? I dont wanna update to horay
<shai_> help..?
<akk> kevman: Those qt and gtk packages do tend to proliferate, so anything like dev that you can give grep to make the list smaller can help in searching ...
<crimsun> Skid: why not?
<shai_> k3b won't recognize my burner as a burner, only as a drive
<DarthFrog> appleseed: And remember that webmin runs in https mode, even for localhost.  As I just found out. :-)
<Skid> crimsun: in case something breaks? :)
<kevman> akk, I think I found the right package... libqt3-dev
<crimsun> Skid: you're more likely to hit breakage in a backport
<appleseed> DarthFrog, cheers :)
<Skid> seeing as it's only a preview atm
<crimsun> Skid: eh, we hit release candidate in 1 week
<neighbordude> is anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))
<lamont> appleseed: yes.
<lamont> but I also happen to be the maintainer...
<InitMass> anyone who play games in linux?
<Skid> crimsun: yep, but it doesn't definately mean it's stable :)
<shai_> I tried to config the writer address is the CDrom address (which is the same one!) but he won't let me
<Skid> I've got a load of uni work to do, and I need it done asap on a working laptop heh
<crimsun> Skid: been fairly stable for me.  What of your experiences?  Oh wait, that's right...
<neighbordude> InitMass, all the time ;-)
<Skid> ..
<shai_> anyone? please?
<shai_> it's kinda urgent
<crimsun> Skid: (the best way to help stabilise is of course to help test ;)
<InitMass> neighbordude, i like rise of nations....any thing like that for linux?
<Skid> crimsun: well I'm not that 'comfortable' yet, I'm still learning
<shai_> ...
<Skid> hence why I was in here asking for help, not sarcasm
<crimsun> Skid: I'm not throwing sarcasm at you, I'm honestly asking you to consider trying Hoary.
<refluxx> is it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?
<neighbordude> InitMass, yes sorta
<crimsun> shai_: what device is your cdr{w}?
<neighbordude> InitMass, there is that new one called 'glest'
<drspin> quick question --
<apokryphos7> Skid: Warty is *very* dated application-wise. Security fixes etc will still happen to Warty for the 18 months of its life, but Hoary has all the new stuff.
<chillywilly> lalala
<drspin> killall -9 grip doesn't kill grip :/
<shai_> dev/hdd
<InitMass> neighbordude, i'll chech that out! any other?
<neighbordude> InitMass, there's another one whose name escapes me..look up real time strategy I guess at happypenguin.org
<Skid> hm
<crimsun> drspin: what process state is the grip process in?
<drspin> crimsun: ??
<rapha> FUCK!!! /opt/novell/ifolder3 $ sudo rm -rf bin include lib share /usr/ ... DAMNIT
<neighbordude> InitMass, I want to say its made by summer games or something weird like that..been long time so I could be way offf..just search for real time strategy
<crimsun> drspin: ps auxww|grep grip|grep -v grep
<neighbordude> l8r
<shai_> crimsun... do you know what should I do?
<crimsun> shai_: can you burn using cdrecord directly?
<shai_> I don't even know how to check that...
<drspin> crimsun: cole     24685  0.0  2.7 42524 14172 ?       D    01:21   0:05 grip
<drspin> crimsun: cole     32049  0.0  1.5 18920 7740 ?        D    10:27   0:00 grip
<drspin> crimsun: cole       670  0.0  0.1  1820  568 pts/0    S+   11:42   0:00 grep grip
<Skid> where's the page with updating to horay info? - just altering the sources list?
<apokryphos7> shai_: man cdrecord
<shai_> can it record a cd image?
<crimsun> shai_: i.e., sudo cdrecord -dao dev=/dev/hdd foo.iso
<apokryphos7> Pyre: tell Skid ubuhoary
<Pyre> Skid: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
<Skid> ta
<crimsun> shai_: k3b uses cdrecord as its backend
<shai_> thanks...
<InitMass> neighbordude, thanx
<refluxx> is it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?
<zooko> Argh.  I built 2.6.10+ubuntupatches, using kernel-package, and for the .config I did this:
<crimsun> drspin: right, so your grip processes are in uninterruptible sleep.  Is your hardware faulty?
<zooko> zcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; make oldconfig
<drspin> crimsun: ?? I don't think so -- I don't have any other problems
<zooko> Now when I boot to this kernel, it panics saying it can't boot the root fs.
<zooko> How can this be?
<drspin> crimsun: I also never had a problem ripping cd's in the *other* OS
<jeanjean> how can i restart the fstab file ?
<Skid> what'st eh horay-updates repositry for?
<drspin> jeanjean: what are you trying to do?
<jeanjean> just mount ntfs file
<crimsun> Skid: nothing yet, since Hoary hasn't released :-)
<jeanjean> but i want to try the new fstab file
<Skid> so what's a rc then?
<Skid> pre-release type thing?
<jeanjean> how can i restart without reboting
<crimsun> Skid: "release candidate"
<crimsun> Skid: i.e., "nearly there"
<drspin> jeanjean: just sudo mount /mount/point should run that line
<Skid> ij
<Skid> ok
<shai_> K, the it works
<shai_> thanks :)
<Skid> and can i change multiverse to universe? so i dont take the non-free softwrae/
<Skid> ware
<crimsun> drspin: what does dmesg tell you concerning your cdrom?
<netventure> bye room
<crimsun> Skid: just don't uncomment the multiverse line :-)
<Skid> but if I want extra packages tat are in the universe rep, I can just add it  yep?
<apokryphos> Skid: you'll want to remove "multiverse" in the first two repos there
<lizdeika_> i was thinking and thinking.. but i finally cant remember a broken package on ubuntu :) libc6 is first ? :)
<drspin> crimsun: hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
<drspin> crimsun: hdd: command error: error=0x54
<drspin> crimsun: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 512
<drspin> crimsun: Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 128
<Skid> ya
<Skid> kk
<crimsun> zooko: from where did you get /proc/config.gz?  That option isn't enabled in Ubuntu kernels; instead, use /boot/config-$(uname -r)
<Skid> ta
<zooko> crimsun: it isn't ?
* zooko checks.
<shai_> say, is there any param letting me see percentage?
<_d4vid> hi all
<jeanjean> drspin: how can i acces mount points with any user ?
<zooko> KERN yumyum:~$ zdiff /proc/config.gz /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8
<zooko> KERN yumyum:~$
<crimsun> drspin: there you have it.
<zooko> That shows that the contents are the same.
<drspin> jeanjean: umask=000
<zooko> Which makes me think that option *is* enabledf in ubuntu kernels.  ;-)
<jeanjean> ok thx
<crimsun> zooko: not in 2.6.10-5-686*
<andril> does anyone know how to get rid of items on the menu?
<zooko> KERN yumyum:~$ grep IKCONFIG /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8
<zooko> CONFIG_IKCONFIG=y
<zooko> CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y
<drspin> crimsun: so how can I kill those grip processes?
<zooko> Anyway, this shows that the .config I used to build is identical to the config that was already booted...
<gsuveg> re
<zooko> So my inability to mount the root fs must lie elsewhere than the kernel config...
<crimsun> zooko: the config isn't the important part.  Did you build the initrd?
* zooko investigates grub config.
<gsuveg> anyone use tightvncserver ? me dont works under hoary.
<zooko> crimsun: I just did "make-kpkg" to build a .deb then ran dpkg -i ./the.deb.
<shai_> is it supposed to look like nothing happens?
<zooko> I don't know what initrd is, I'm afraid.
<crimsun> zooko: so you didn't pass --initrd ?
<zooko> crimsun: no.
<zooko> pass --initrd to make-kpkg ?
<crimsun> zooko: Ubuntu kernels use initrds.  If you didn't create one for your kernel, but you used the same config, then that's where the issue lies.
<zooko> crimsun: Thanks a lot!  :-)
<crimsun> drspin: reboot.  You can't kill processes in 'D' state.
<zooko> By default, I assume you know what you are doing, and I
<zooko> apologize for being so annoying. Should I abort[Ny] ?
<zooko> heh heh heh
<drspin> crimsun: what could be causing this?? aside from faulty hardware...
<crimsun> drspin: sometimes bad media can do that
<drspin> crimsun: hmmm --- they are a low-budget band ;)
<drspin> crimsun: and I don't have any problems with most other cd's
<Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?
<Burgundavia> anybody else having problems with locales?
<crimsun> drspin: might try modprobe -r ide-cd, reinsert it, turn dma on, reseat the cd, and try again
<crimsun> drspin: I'm fairly certain you'll have to reboot, though
<drspin> crimsun: yup - ide-cd is in use... arghhhh --- thanks for your help!
<drspin> be back later
<flyingsquirrel54> Is synaptic installed with warthog by default?
<rapha> flyingsquirrel54: yes
<flyingsquirrel54> rapha: I just spent the longest trying to install it. how do I run it?
<rapha> flyingsquirrel54: Well, it should be somewhere in the menu
<rapha> Haven't used Warty in months
<flyingsquirrel54> can't find it.
<rapha> type "synaptic" into a terminal then
<tritium> flyingsquirrel54, it's somewhere under "Computer"
<tritium> (a submenu of it)
<tritium> I too haven't used Warty in months
<setite> zenrox
<flyingsquirrel54> yup, computer>System config>synaptic thanks
<flyingsquirrel54> I was looking under apps
* wland hi
<tritium> flyingsquirrel54, :)
* knewt moved onto hoary at the beginning of march. but doesn't use gnome so wouldn't have been much help :)
<lindo> hey guys, could anyone help me, im having trouble setting up x.org
<Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?
<appleseed> anyone seen the mplayerhq.hu page? i just had a shock
<CarlK_> appleseed - been that way for a few weeks
<CarlK_> shocked me too
<appleseed> CarlK_, ahh right
<TjaBBe> Maybe its just some way to make people aware...
<TjaBBe> ...of what the consequences of software patenting will be I mean...
<crweb> is it possible to install kde 3.4 in ubuntu?
<klaym> hello! I'm using warty without super user rights by default (although I am the main user of this computer), and I'd like to move files to usr/lib. When I drag and drop, I get an error that I have no right to do it. How do I get this right? (it's awkward to do things via terminal using sudo)
<DarthFrog> crweb: Yes.  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<DarthFrog> crweb: Or use Synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop
<crweb> DarthFrog: ok, thanks
<crweb> DarthFrog: i just wanted to make sure before i installed :)
<mjr> klaym, you don't want to move files to /usr/lib, really
<DarthFrog> crweb: I'm running it right now.  You could also install Kubuntu from CD.
<klaym> mjr: why not?
<crweb> DarthFrog: ok...   any idea's on if i'm going to like kubuntu? as I seem to be a total gentoo fanatic
<crweb> err, i ment ubuntu
<mjr> klaym, bad idea maintainability-wise
<klaym> I'm trying to install a program that came as a .gz file, and it has folders named 'usr' 'lib' 'etc' and I guess I should place those files into adequate folders
<mjr> klaym, besides, /usr/lib is for proper packages basically, /usr/local/lib is more for self-installed stuff
<njan> heya, zeedo
<DarthFrog> crweb: Ubuntu is a superb desktop Debian, runs Gnome by default.  If you dislike Debian, you might not like Gnome.
<DarthFrog> crweb: Er, Ubuntu, not Gnome.
<DarthFrog> klaym: Does it have an install file?
<crweb> DarthFrog: i don't dislike debian,  it def. works and gets the job done.  Just some little things that get on my nerves.
<DarthFrog> klaym: It's somewhat unlikely that you should have to do that stuff manually.
<mjr> klaym, anyway, to answer your question, you can say "sudo nautilus", and have a root nautilus. But still a bad idea.
<DarthFrog> crweb: Well, approach Ubuntu with an open mind.  Read the manifesto, first.  See if you agree with it.
<klaym> it's Ganim8 that I'm trying to install. the .gz only has a bin -folder and a usr -folder
<sgtstadanko> has anyone been able to get the exchange connector working in 5.04 preview
<bwlang> klaym: let me encourage you NOT to start putting files all over the place... that's why you have a package manger.  Turn it into a deb.  Or use stow if you must.
<tritium> sgtstadanko, I haven't yet, and I'm doing daily updates, so I've got newer than just the preview
<sgtstadanko> tritium, yeah the exchange storage just dies everytime I try and connect
<tritium> same here
<DarthFrog> klaym: And if you absolutely insist on doing it by hand, put them in /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/bin, instead.
<neiras> I think klaym's problem is, he is thinking in the "Windows" way - that is, "to install something I just unpack it and drop it in a folder somewhere"
<drspin> crimsun, going through dmesg after my reboot I see a couple interesting things... "ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later"
<jeanjean> what's a good mp3 player for ubuntu
<gsuveg> xmms
<jeanjean> xmms hang on plaing mp3 from ntfs data disk
<Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool?
<keffo> whats your recommended app using.. like an replacement for windows daemontools
<jeanjean> Uboo: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<Zotnix> keffo, mount
<keffo> guess theres some problem with safedisc etc
<drspin> crimsun, I also noticed that the kernel is assuming 33mhz bus :( ew! I'm going to fix that and brb
<keizer> CarlK_, Beep
<keizer> I'm in Ubuntu finally
<keizer> I had to download the x11 packages with Aptitude and blam it works
<klaym> ok thank you people. I'll try to find a way to install it
<keizer> I'm not sure how much hacking i'll need to do to get the wireless network to work.
<bwlang> jeanjean: i'm liking amarok... it's one of the full featured ones.
<keizer> I'm online with Ethernet right now.
<apokryphos> bwlang: Yup, it's great. :)
<lucas_> hello
<apokryphos> Hi
<lucas_> i vane problems with my printer, who cen help me?
<lucas_> i've installed ubuntu and almost everything is fine but my printer doesn't work
<akk> What's ubuntu's printer configuration app, anyway?
<akk> The CUPS admin page (html) doesn't seem to work.
<keffo> no hoary updates today?
<akk> and printconf isn't installed on hoary, so there must be another app that does something similar.
<neiras> akk - using GNOME?
<lucas_> i use gnome
<lucas_> and ther is something like System Configuration --> printing
<akk> neiras: No, not currently.  But in gnome the admin menus don't work anyway (apparently there's some problem with the gtk sudo?)
<neiras> They work fine for everyone in the office here
<lucas_> but when i'm trying to get there, it's impossible
<neiras> Under Hoary
<akk> neiras: I talked to someone last night, and apparently there's a known bug, since fixed (but I haven't dist-upgraded yet)
<keffo> no hoary updates today?
<lucas_> something wrond with cups server or something like that
<saax> hello i have a .deb file and cant open it HELP
<akk> neiras: All the apps worked if I called them up by hand from a root shell, just not from the menus or gksudo
<akk> neiras: But finding the right app to run isn't always obvious.
<typo> how do I force apt to install a version that's a downgrade?
<alexwillmer> good evening all, on Warty libqt-dev and other libraries seem not to provide .so symlinks without the major version eg I have /usr/lib/libqt.so.3 but not /usr/lib/libqt.so, Is this by design?
<lucas_> The CUPS server could not be contacted - that is showning when i try to get there
* akk searches for programs with "print" in the name but doesn't find anything likely looking
<alexwillmer> saax, how are you trying to open the deb?
<klaym> can anyone recommend an animation program from ubuntu repositories?
<gsuveg> klaym: what like anymation ? blender ?
<aj1> anyone out there networking a mac with their linux box?
<desrt> aj1; i have 3 macs that run linux
<klaym> just to stitch together photos, set the framerate and compile as mpg
<klaym> and add sound
<desrt> oh.  not what you want.  nm
<alexwillmer> klaym: mplayer might be able to do that, one sec
<Lfreeze> hey hey
<thundrcleeze> hi
<aj1> desrt: looking for some help getting my ibook to see beige box
<Lfreeze> does anyone happen to know the default root password for hoary hedgehog?
<keffo> Lfreeze, there is no
<keffo> set one yourself
<thundrcleeze> yes, nothing
<Quinn_Storm> Lfreeze: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
<keffo> sudo passwd
<Lfreeze> no superuser account?
<thundrcleeze> or just sudo everything, that's the default behavior
<thundrcleeze> so rather than su to run synaptic, just "sudo synaptic" and enter your user password.
<alexwillmer> klaym: transcode can do, it's almost certainly in the repositories: use im import filter
<keffo> he can just do sudo passwd etc
<Lfreeze> tops... got it...
<apokryphos> Or, better -- don't use terminal at all. Use gksudo or kdesu from Alt + F2
<klaym> alexwillmer: thanks, will try
<alexwillmer> http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Import_Modules/Import_Imlist
<Lfreeze> thanks.
<typo> does hoary support alcatel usb dsl modems?
<piranha> hola
<piranha> alguien tiene sintonizadora tv pixelviuw
<vaticano> oigan se puede instalar un servidor de paginas web desde ubuntu???
<typo> is upgrading sid to hoary a good idea or should I install from scratch without overwriting /home?
<apokryphos> typo: It is not recommended, but there have been a few success stories.
<apokryphos> Several have encountered problems though; it's worth searching the site to see those.
<Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: question, once hoary goes gold and a new dev branch opens up, will it be easy to switch sources over and keep tracking the most recent packages?
<Anubis> I have a mp3 on my desktop
<Anubis> but there is no icon for it?
<Anubis> I don't even see it
<typo> apokryphos: reinstalling is probably a better idea then
<Anubis> wtf is going wrong with my system?
<apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: switch sources to what exaclty? The new dev branch?
<apokryphos> typo: certainly, yes.
<Kamion> Quinn_Storm: same as it was when warty released; you'll be able to do it, though it'll be very very unstable for a while
<Anubis> ubuntu has been working well for me
<alexwillmer> Anubis: you mean that yo have an mp3 file, but nothing will play it and the icon is just something plain?
<Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: yeah
<apokryphos> To Grumpy, yes. :D
<b00gie> Anubis, try ctrl+r
<Anubis> but all of a sudden
<Quinn_Storm> grumpy? oh, has the new one been named?
<Anubis> alexwillmer, no
<Anubis> b00gie, thanks
<Kamion> Quinn_Storm: yes, but it won't be "grumpy"
<apokryphos> oh?
<Anubis> b00gie, how come clean up by name did not refresh?
<flyingsquirrel54> Is there a way I can make gnome show a folder I open in the same window
<Quinn_Storm> Kamion: what will it be?
<thundrcleeze> yes, flyingsquirrel54
<Kamion> Quinn_Storm,apokryphos: apparently neither of you read the ubuntu-announce list ;)
<Quinn_Storm> Kamion: I should but I don't
<Kamion> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
<apokryphos> Kamion: only recently subscribed.
<b00gie> Anubis, i dont think that refresh the desktop
<apokryphos> Kamakazie: Breezy. I like it better. ;-)
<flyingsquirrel54> thundrcleeze: how??
<thundrcleeze> I'm trying to remember, I think it might be in the ubuntu guide.  I'll check.
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/133.html
<holycow> hey guys, i'm running the gubuntu 2.10 live cd... theoretically the user name and pass are 'ubuntu', and i assumed the root pass is 'ubuntu' as well but ...
<thundrcleeze> flyingsquirrel54, http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindownautilus
<holycow> when i log out i cannot login with ubuntu/ubuntu, and i certainly cannnot su - to root with ubuntu pass
<holycow> anyone else run into this?
<setite> zenrox you there
<Quinn_Storm> holycow: ubuntu doesn't have a root pass.
<Quinn_Storm> holycow: it uses sudo by default
<Kamion> the user's password on the live CD is disabled; if you managed to log out such that you got asked for it, that's a bug
<apokryphos> Kamion: I'm a little confused. Just what si Grumpy, then?
<Kamion> apokryphos: an old codename for 5.10
<apokryphos> *is
<setite> anyone know where i can get point2play-small
<apokryphos> ah
<Kamion> apokryphos: grumpy will be used for another project, eventually
<holycow> oh!
<holycow> Quinn_Storm, danke
<setite> Ubuntu Grumpy Griffin
<Quinn_Storm> lol...a grumpy griffin...that's a good image
<apokryphos> Kamion: I think I'll update the wiki with that.
<setite> yup
<thundrcleeze> I thought it was grumpy groundhog.
<apokryphos> with Breezy note, that is.
<Kamion> apokryphos: please do, yes
<setite> ground hog
<Kamion> thundrcleeze: it *was*
<setite> no mroe hogs!!!!
<thundrcleeze> When did it change?
<Kamion> thundrcleeze: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
<HelloWorld> hi guys
<setite> down with the hogs!
<HelloWorld> what happened to boot-admin, from gnome-system-tools?
<setite> griffons rock... groundhocks... dont
<setite> hogs*
<HelloWorld> help files are present, the backends are present, the .glade file is there too
<HelloWorld> but there is no "boot-admin" executable
<apokryphos> thundrcleeze: see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
<flyingsquirrel54> awsome!!!! BTW I used thundrcleeze's info nice and simple the way I like it!
<Einzelganger> Can someone confirm that in totem-xine, the following url makes totem take 100% cpu, and the buttons don't react anymore, while xine (from xine-ui) plays fine: http://streams.planet.nl/cgi-bin/reflector.cgi?source=195.121.7.100&stream=TKStream3&title=Tweede%20Kamer%20der%20Staten-Generaal
<flyingsquirrel54> thanks all.
<thundrcleeze> you're welcome, flyingsquirrel54
<zane> I m running ubuntu at the moment and trying to get kubuntu through apt-get.. when i type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, i get an error.. its says cant find package kubuntu-desktop.. any ideas?
<apokryphos> zane: are you on warty?
<zane> yes.. i have ubutu 4.10
<apokryphos> Pyre: tell zane ubukde
<Pyre> zane: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
<HelloWorld> i am on hoary, and i have no UI to manage grub
<apokryphos> zane: That should explain it all.
<zane> oh.. thanx man
<apokryphos> np :)
<vaticano> donde encuentro manuales de ubuntu???
<thundrcleeze> I'm running hoary, and when I try to use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop as descriped in the wiki, it want to remove xserver-xfree86, is that safe?
<apokryphos> thundrcleeze: it'll install xserver-xorg. Yes, it's fine.
<Quinn_Storm> thundrcleeze: you should be using xserver-xorg, so yeah its fine
<b00gie> thundrcleeze hoary use xorg by default
<thundrcleeze> Of course.
<faux_> is inotify enabled by default in the newest ubuntu kernelns, or is it still disabled?
<flyingsquirrel54> where can one find ubuntu manuals?
<Tycho451> Where is the "at" key (like in every email address)? It used to be CTRL+ALT+Q in Windows.
<DarthFrog> flyingsquirrel54: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
<apokryphos> flyingsquirrel54: the Wiki in general is very very useful.
<flyingsquirrel54> vaticano: aqui esta su respuesta: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
<flyingsquirrel54> thanks, I did a little translating there :)
<PacoBCN> so, what's up?
<JDahl> after I installed Hoary Preview instead of Debian on my work machine network speed has dropped alot. Now I get transfer rates of around 60-70kb/s over lan. Ifconfig shows 1029 errors out of 224000 transmitted packages and 21500 collisions - that's not bad, is it?
<PacoBCN> I finally found a CMS for what I needed and can be back to the chat :)
<whitti> How do I switch sound capibility from my onboard sound to a Creative sound card?
<Keizer> This Ubuntu is kinda tight
<whitti> (in warty)
<Keizer> I like it
<Fl-i-nT> hi all
<whitti> Hiya
<thundrcleeze> hi
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, yeah good evening you alright?
<drspin> crimsun: I was using bad hdparm options for my drive (d1u1c1) -- oops!
<aj1> anyone know of a good jukebox app? music players ripping cd's at 2x...
<CarlK_> man rsync says "rsync  [OPTION] ... SRC [SRC] ..." but I can't get multiple SRC's working: http://www.sql-servers.com/nopaste/?show=1787
<Fl-i-nT> aj1 xmms?
<holycow> well i gotta say, this ubuntu/gnome 2.10 live cd is a pleasure
<holycow> i love have a pure debian/gnome environment for system recovery
<aj1> Fl-i-nT: yeah it's an oldie but goodie
<aj1> was wondering if there's a new sheriff in town
<Fl-i-nT> aj1, sorry abit uneducated i dont knmow!
<apokryphos> query Pyre
<alexwillmer> is there an Ubuntu equivalent to rpm --whatprovides /some/file which discovers the package which installed a given file?
<typo> what's the kernel version in hoary?
<crimsun> drspin: zing!  That would certainly do it.
<apokryphos> typo: 2.6.10
<drspin> crimsun: thanks for the help :)
<crimsun> np
<typo> apokryphos: ok, thanks
<drspin> why is one of my CD drives "blacklisted"??
<typo> apokryphos: how about S3/S4 suspend, is it supported?
<souki> alexwillmer: dpkg -S /blabla/bla
<apokryphos> typo: no idea
<alexwillmer> souki, cheers
<Uboo> I've run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and told it my preferable setting was 1600x1200@75, but even then after I restart xorg, the refresh rate is still at 60. What do I do? The xorg.conf seems to be right and had VertRefresh 50-85. Using the config tool doesn't help because it only gives me 60Hz as an option.
<typo> apokryphos: do ubuntu kernels have ipw2100 installed?
<whitti> I have a question regarding sound in Warty: How can I switch between the onboard sound and a Creative sound card?
<thundrcleeze> Is there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?
<apokryphos> typo: No idea again; I really don't know anything about Ubu's kernel. Might be worth checking on the Wiki.
<souki> typo: ipw2100 yes
<thundrcleeze> Uboo, to get it to work for me, I had to delete the vertrefresh and horizrefresh lines from the xorg config.
<Uboo> I'll try that. Thanks.
<thundrcleeze> Uboo: (make a backup first)
<Uboo> Of course. ;)
<zooko> What, if anything, does Ubuntu use kernel capabilities for?
<typo> apokryphos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM, looks like it does
<typo> souki: thanks
<zooko> (Yes, I've gotten my custom kernel to boot, so now I have this problem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelDoesNotSupportCapabilities)
<saax> any1 know how to install fluxbox ?' please help
<typo> does anyone know if there are any plans to support WPA/802.11x (wireless security) integrated with gnome?
<andril> bay all
<Laivin> anyone know why after a fresh install of 4.10, it displays all the startup stuff fine, but then when it should show the login screen, it is either just black, a light shade of brown over the whole screen, or white?
<Uboo> Can I run Konqueror on Gnome?
<marcin_ant> hi all
<Seveas> Uboo, yes
<marcin_ant> I still got problems with printer
<Uboo> Seveas: How do I set it as my default file browser then?
<Seveas> dunno
<Seveas> but you can use it :)
<Uboo> Thanks anyway.
<marcin_ant> and still printer sharing is unresolved
<marcin_ant> but today I got all hardware on my desktop
<Uboo> Are there any good alternatives to nautilus designed for gnome?
<marcin_ant> and I really would like to make this working
<Seveas> why not use nautilus?
<marcin_ant> so my problem is
<thundrcleeze> Is there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?
<marcin_ant> that I have two desktops with ubuntu and there is a printer connected to let's call "ubuntu1"
<amir_> Hey, why does the update icon always fails my root login on hoary?
<Uboo> Seveas: Because I can't get it to work how I want it to. I want it to use the webpage view but not have that annoying toolbar.
<marcin_ant> and I would like to share this printer to "ubuntu2"
<amir_> s/fails/fail/
<marcin_ant> could someone help me with this?
<Seveas> amir_, use YOUR login, it uses gksudo
<amir_> seveas, oops.. sorry about that. thanks!
<amir_> do the marillat mplayer sources install well on ubuntu?
<marcin_ant> any ubuntu user with shared printer on this channel?
<zooko> amir_: I use mplayer from marillat on ubuntu.  64 bit, too.
<amir_> zooko, wow, cool.
<amir_> im using an amd64 install as well.
<theantix> marcin_ant, I have tried and failed to get it working reliably
<marcin_ant> theantix: with cups?
<bwlang> anybody know how to modify a pdf file... i need to rotate pages and remove some pages... freshmeat has nothing for "pdf edit"
<pv_> pdfjam
<theantix> marcin_ant,  with gnome-cups-manager on warty
<marcin_ant> theantix: I see
<marcin_ant> theantix: then question
<marcin_ant> theantix: you had to add network printers?
<marcin_ant> theantix: or maybe shared printers in lan are discovered automagically?
<theantix> marcin_ant, yes I tried that, and also to share a local printer -- neither worked reliably -- I didn't see any discovered automagically
<amir_> is the groovy 3 persons in a ubuntu logo stance jpg availabe in the default hoary install? if not, is it apt-gettable in some art package?
<Burk> hi
<marcin_ant> theantix: but worked for a while?
<Seveas> amir_ apt get install ubuntu-calendar-october (and november etc, up to march)
<marcin_ant> theantix: (I ask because I wasn't able to print anything)
<amir_> thanks again :)
<Seveas> amit, and install unbuntu0calendar itself too :)
<SoRcEtTa> what about links2 ? is it apt-get supported ?
<scott> anyone know if the gnome 2.10 livecd is using ubuntu?
<amir_> Seveas, will do :)
<Seveas> scott, it is
<Biafra> is it possible to install packages meant for Debian on Ubuntu?
<Seveas> Biafra, possible: yes, sensible: usually not
<Burk> guys, looks like 16:10 widescreen wallpapers are not that popular...do you know a site where I could find some? (I could crop&resize...but I'm pretty lazy :p )
<scott> Seveas, do you know what version? cause the latest gnoppix doesn't work properly w/ my screen and the gnome 2.10 live cd works great.
<bwlang> Biafra: yes... but it can hurt you... the dependencies sometimes don't match up.
<Seveas> scott, it is ubuntu hoary preview
<Seveas> (afaik)
<souki> Burk: the macosx wallpaers are good
<scott> can you install off the livecd or is it better to get the installation cd?
<theantix> marcin_ant, yes it worked for a while
<Burk> souki: where I could find them?
<Seveas> you cannot install from a livecd
<warmfreeze> grr ..for some reason the update killed my network connection ..
<souki> Burk: I've got them but I don't remember where
<Burk> oh..found a good site: http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/widescreenselection.htm
<guillaume> irc://irc.lucidflux.com/whereswarez
<robl^> does Ubuntu work well with laptops?  (power management, LCD, PCMCIA) without lots of tweaking?
<Biafra> Does anyone know if the soon-to-be-released pressed CDs of hoary will include both GNOME and KDE?
<syn-ack> robl^: I think thats where it shines the best
<Fackamato> robl^: yup
<Fackamato> SYN
<syn-ack> Biafra: No, thats what kubuntu is
<syn-ack> Fackamato: how goes?
<Fackamato> time out :/
<Fackamato> :P
<syn-ack> ;P
<Biafra> Will there be pressed CDs of Kubuntu coming out?
* syn-ack shrugs
<Fackamato> hopefully not :P
<Seveas> robl^, i run warty and hoary in two differnet laptops
<Seveas> works like a charm, but hoary is definitely better
<Seveas> (acpi problems with warty kernels)
<scott> anyone used ubuntu on Thinkpad T40? (or T41/42) I'm wondeirng, like robl, how well it works out of the box w/o changing anything
<syn-ack> scott: should work fine.
<HcE> scott: I use Debian Sid on a T40p now, works like a charm
<HcE> about the same as Ubuntu Warty
<robl^> syn-ack & Fackamato: great!  That's my major gripe with stock Debian at the moment. You've convinced me to give it a try
<scott> HcE, i've been reading the instructions on linux-on-laptops.com but they're old and there's tons of tweaking
<syn-ack>  I had a Compaq Presario 2535 QV and it ran very well
<HcE> scott: everything works for me "out-of-the-box"
<scott> cool
<HcE> scott: if you got a atheros wlan-card you'll need the atheros driver from sf.net
<HcE> I have not tested suspend to ram/disk though
<scott> HcE, I still need to decide on which wifi card to buy, the intel 2200 or the atheros
<pixman> Hello
<black_Nightmare> hey there
<HcE> scott: I have the atheros 802.11a/b/g
<pixman> Anyone experienced problems with smb:/// in nautilus since today's samba update?
<scott> HcE, isn't it supposed to suspend when you shut the lid? you never do that?
<robl^> syn-ack: this is a Dell Inspiron 8500 with a 19200x1200 wide screen LCD
<pixman> or libsmbclient perhaps
<pixman> doesn't work anymore
<HcE> scott: it turns of the light on the LCD
<syn-ack> robl^: nice.
<HcE> scott: and ATI driver sucks, but they are a bit better now
<black_Nightmare> anyone seen my canadian friend??? lol
<mjr> HcE, hmh, atheros drivers are included in ubuntu (in the linux-restricted-modules package)
<HcE> mjr: you'll probably want to grab CVS some times a week
<HcE> they are so absolutly not stable yet :P
<mjr> I dunno
<HcE> speaking of which *cvs update*
<scott> HcE, why do the ATI drivers suck? I still haven't gotten the laptop yet actually, it should be here saturday
<syn-ack> I have the atheros drivers loaded, ATM ;)
<Biafra> another general question: which format is better: ext*, reiserFS, JFS, or XFS?
<mjr> I've watched a dvb stream redirected over ssh with warty's atheros drivers for several hours with no problems ;)
<HrdwrBoB> it depends on your requirements
<HrdwrBoB> ext3 is the most common and most widely supported
<scott> are there packages for beagle in ubuntu?
<setite> is it worth it to try and get cedega working under ubuntu64
<HcE> scott: It's good on my display, but TV-out and secondary display is still a bit of a mystery. I get secondary to work, but I have to tweak alot
<syn-ack> I personally am going to start using XFS
<setite> its proving to be a truly frustrating process
<mjr> Biafra, generally, I'd not recommend reiserfs for its lesser stability track record; ext3 is a good basic choice
<mjr> xfs and jfs might provide benefits for high-end use
<Seveas> scott, beagle is being worked on for the next release
<apokryphos> syn-ack: Nope. Kubuntu has only KDE; no Gnome.
<Burk> what will follow array cd7? the final release'
<Burk> ?
<syn-ack> apokryphos: Im quite aware of that
<setite> kubuntu
<setite> XFS
<setite> whats the x
<setite> xtreme
<stazz> Biafra: You can't go wrong with reiserfs.
<marcin_ant> theantix: then next question again
<setite> xantifical
<syn-ack> stazz: sure you can.
<Biafra> my ubuntu comp (Cyrix M-II 300 with 96MB of memory) has 3 HDDs and one CDROM. I have it currently setup as folows:
<apokryphos> syn-ack: you implied otherwise, but nevermind.
<warmfreeze> so . who came up with this ubuntu idea anyway ?
<stazz> syn-ack: the current situation is pretty good, the random-crash-thingies are past.
<HrdwrBoB> stazz: I would say you can't go wrong with ext3
<syn-ack> stazz: heh
<HrdwrBoB> anything else makes your system nonstandard
<setite> k ubuntu
<setite> k k ubuntu
<stazz> syn-ack: really.. reiserfs is currently considered quite stable.
<setite> ku kubuntu
<setite> ku ku kubuntu
<marcin_ant> theantix: I got gnome-cups-manager
<marcin_ant> theantix: and "add a printer" dialog
* mjr was actually a bit disappointed that the atheros driver turned to be non-free; I hadn't checked it before I noticed that the driver was in the restricted package (I didn't make the purchase decision though, it's an uni laptop)
<Biafra> hda (1GB drive): hda1 135MB mounted as /boot using ext3
<syn-ack> mount: only root can do that
<setite> anyone running cedega with point2play on a 64bit platform?
<warmfreeze> is there a PPC version of ubuntu ?
<apokryphos> Burk: Release Candidate will follow.
<mjr> warmfreeze, yes indeed
<marcin_ant> theantix: and Printer Type I choose "Network printer-> CUPS pinter IPP"
<warmfreeze> yay!
<Biafra> hda (1GB drive): hda2 rest of the drive as a raid member
<black_Nightmare> warmfreeze...look at the download list
<marcin_ant> theantix: and very important thing is
<black_Nightmare> its already there ;0
<marcin_ant> theantix: what is URI ?
<scott> Seveas, do you know when the next release (or beta/preview) is supposed to be?
<Biafra> my other 2 drives (hdb, a 4GB drive and hdd, a 3GB drive) are also raid members
<Burk> apokryphos: release candidate is the step before the final 5.04 rel?
<warmfreeze> i got it now . i dident see it earlier .. tnx!
<Seveas> scott, october 2005, there is a release every 6 months
<apokryphos> Burk: Yes. See: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
<syn-ack> stazz: root@Jupiter:/home/meskes # df -HT /dev/sda2
<syn-ack> Filesystem    Type     Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
<syn-ack> /dev/sda2 reiserfs     122G   4.0G   119G   4% /
<syn-ack> I know. ;)
<stazz> syn-ack :D
<Biafra> all my raid members are setup together as a RAID0 device
<marcin_ant> theantix: could you tell me what is URI on your system?
<Burk> ok, tnx apokryphos ;)
<theantix> marcin_ant, I used IP address
<Biafra> which is setup for lvm
<scott> Seveas, oh, but how often do they come out with the previews? I used to run debian unstable and it was always changing. is that how ubuntu is?
<syn-ack> stazz: Im going to migrate to XFS here soon and then set up LVM when I get another drive for it.
<Uboo> If I trie Kubuntu and decided to go back to gnome, is there a real need to uninstall kubuntu? If I want to anyway, how will I be able to track all the packages that were installed because kubuntu-desktop wanted them?
<stazz> syn-ack: I recommend staying away from XFS, from personal experience.
<Biafra> in lvm i configured one VG (Goldeneye) and 2 PVs
<kala> hi
<Anubis> nothing but problems today
<kala> can i make a question?
<Anubis> now my gnome-panel is acting shitty
<stazz> kala: shoot
<kala> eh, ubuntu is great :P
<HrdwrBoB> kala: don't ask to ask, as
<HrdwrBoB> ask
<Biafra> pv1 (TransientData) 235MB swap
<syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: Where else do I know you from?
<apokryphos> Uboo: You can of course run both KDE and Gnome. You can remove all kubuntu stuff after if you decide that you don't want it, yes.
<kala> i don't know how, but i've lost the default mouse pointers
<Anubis> hoary developmental was more stable than whats comming out these last few updates
<phxguy> anyone know where gtk themes go??
<HrdwrBoB> syn-ack: ooh could be anywhere; I get around
<SoRcEtTa> why ubuntu is so great ?
<kala> like the circle waiting one
<syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: undernet? #linux?
<SoRcEtTa> and mepis ?
<Biafra> pv2 (Storage) the remainder of the available lvm space mounted as /
<Anubis> The gaim panel icon just stopped working
<HrdwrBoB> I'm on ozorg freenode
<setite> ok back to windows i go for some CS Source
<Anubis> wtf is happening?
<Biafra> and formatted as reiserfs
<Biafra> anyone miss anything?
<Anubis> shit is just breaking
<kala> ok, i'll ask again: how can i reinstall the default ubuntu mouse pointers?
<neighbordude> is anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))
<Anubis> gnome desktop no longer refreshes by itself
<HrdwrBoB> kala: do you know the files you removed?
<kala> i haven't removed any file
<Uboo> apokryphos: Ok, so how do I make it remove all the packages it installed with it? I don't want all the crap on my computer. Will telling synaptic to uninstall kubuntu-desktop also uninstall all the other packages it installed because of depedency?
<Anubis> neighbordude, check your bpp is it 24bpp
<Anubis> 16bpp make firefox crash
<kala> i installed and they weren't there. i know they exist coz i installed it in other computer
<apokryphos> Uboo: "crap"... err, sure. Ahem. No, kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage; it depends upon other things, not vice versa.
<NetGeek> the latest apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-base, is that bad?
<apokryphos> NetGeek: No :)
<apokryphos> NetGeek: it is but a metapackage.
<crymsan> hey everyone
<kala> does anyone know which is the package with the cursors?
<kala> hi
<Uboo> apokryphos: What I mean is... when I wanted to install kubuntu-desktop it installed a lot of other packages as well. Will telling synaptic to uninstall the kubuntu-desktop package also uninstall all the other packages it installed?
<NetGeek> it also wants to remove libc6-686, and replace it with libc6
<apokryphos> Uboo: And as I said: no. It's a metapackage. It's not a "real" package; it only depends upon other things and drags them in.
<Biafra> would it be adviseable to reinstall and use xfs for my / partition?
<Burk> guys, on April I'll get a laptop as present, probably Toshiba Sat m30x-161. I'm trying out the ubuntu live cd...that's absolutely the best linux I've ever been with (tested: mandrake, red hat, suse and freebsd). Of course laptop will be equipped with winxp installed. do you advice me to resize partition with partition magic or make a good old format and repartitioning from zero? also: how would you divide a 80GB hd?
<Uboo> apokryphos: So how will I be able to remove all of those packages?
<kala> ok, i gotta go, but i'll be back :P
<phxguy> I have a usb stick which is formatted vfat. how can I format it to something else??
<maxchee> Is anyone aware of a gnome-vfs plugin that can open compressed file?
<amir_> phxguy, mkdosfs
<mjr> phxguy, unmount it and mke2fs (for example, for ext2/3)
<maxchee> phxguy: you need to go to your usbstick manufacturer's website
<apokryphos> ubuntulog: man debfoster
<apokryphos> ubuntulog: sorry, wasn't meant to be to you.
<amir_> maxchee, no he doesn't.
<mjr> oh, also, some memory sticks reportedly resist reformatting, but I don't know about that
<amir_> phxguy, just type mkfs.<tab><tab> on the command line.
<maxchee> amir_: see mrj
<maxchee> amir_: see mjr
<phxguy> amir do i need to speciify /dev/sda1 in that command?
<amir_> maxchee, i've used quite a few UMS devices and never saw one.
<amir_> phxguy, yup!
<Slaven> Where can I select which greeter should be the 'default' one? appearantly, simply putting gdm in rc doesn't work. it needs to be the default greeter.
<maxchee> amir_: but if the formatting fails, then...
<phxguy> what format types are available?
<maxchee> phxguy: why do you have to reformat?
<amir_> phxguy, fat16, fat32, ext2, ext3.. if you want linux only you probably want ext3.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, sorry i had to get fish and ships how are you this evening?
<maxchee> phxguy: Is your usb stick broken?
<phxguy> nope
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Very well thanks; all good. :)
<amir_> phxguy, for example: mke2fs -j /dev/sda1
<A-star> hi everyone
<maxchee> phxguy: ext3 cannot be read on windows
<Jesterace> heh i leave my usb stick as vfat
<Jesterace> just so i can read it in all os's i use
<InitMass> is there any good benchmark app for linux?
<amir_> i tend to agree with them, phxguy. you might as well format it with FAT16.
<crymsan> hey all, quick question, just about to try ubuntu for the first time (usually debian) and trying to install hoary preview, but can't boot the cd, and yes I did burn it properly
<crymsan> any ideas?
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, are yuo at college still or out for a gap year?
<Slaven> maxchee: yes it can. with the proper drivers.
<phxguy> i dont want this usb stick read on windows....
<apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Last year sixth-form.
<Burk> cu next time ;)
<Bazzi> hi, I've got a quick question, which packages do I need to build a kernel driver module? linux-source and linux-headers should be sufficient, shouldn't they?
<amir_> phxguy, if you don't then you can use ext3. see above :)
<amir_> anyways gotta go.
<maxchee> Slaven: that's true, although I seriously doubt that you can install a ext3 driver onto corporate computers without some serious justification
<Slaven> heh. nope.
<Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, sweet what options did you take?
<amir_> cya
<Slaven> sorry for just breaking in to conversation, then. didn't grasp the context.
<phxguy> amir so will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make it ext3 ??
<Slaven> noone can help me with the greeter thingy?
<maxchee> Slaven: ?
<A-star> Well I use a program which comes in a zip file to do that.
<Slaven> maxchee: I'm wondering how I choose default greeters (like gdm,kdm...)
<phxguy> maxchee:  will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make the drive formatted in ext3 ??
<Jesterace> phxguy, yes
<phxguy> thanks
<Jesterace> mkefs without the -j will make it ext2
<maxchee> System/Admin/Login Screen Setup
<A-star> do a search on explore2fs, then you can read ext3 and ext2 partition under windows
<Jesterace> whoa
* Jesterace looks into that
<neighbordude> where do I verify that i'm using a speicifc bpp ? (  configuration editor ?..if so which section)
<maxchee> Personally, I am a big fan of reiserfs. Any chance that reiser4 patch will be included?
<phxguy> it gavfe m an error:  /dev/sda1: Read-only file system while setting up superblock
<maxchee> in an ubuntu kernel?
<phxguy> do  I have to boot into windows and format as fat16 first?
<maxchee> phxguy: no
<aeolist_> in order to do what?
<phxguy> aeolist_:  I am trying to reformat a usb stick so it cant be read on a windows machine
<aeolist_> oh
<maxchee> phxguy: should have told us about that...
<aeolist_> had the same trouble today
<aeolist_> depends on what you have available
<phxguy> maxchee i thought i did.,
<maxchee> phxguy: reiserfs, xfs, jfs are even more obscure than ext
<aeolist_> you can use a tool like gparted or qtparted
<crymsan> you try mkfs.vfat?
<aeolist_> or try fdisk + mkfs.vfat
<maxchee> there is a driver for ext for windows
<crymsan> right, fdisk it first of course :-)
<black_Nightmare> does ubuntu support having two keyboards plugged in altogether?
<black_Nightmare> one unused ps/2 and one usb
<maxchee> cryman: parted replaces (sort of) fdisk
<Jesterace> how does one use two keyboards at the same time? and what practical use is it :P
<johaBBa> lol
<crymsan> ah, havne't really used parted
<johaBBa> none?
<black_Nightmare> jest..not 'same time' but..its kinda something to do with setups
<Jesterace> different keymaps?
<robl^> I use ps/2 and USB keyboard at the same time.. no problem
<Jesterace> ie: us layout and uk layout? :P
<Jesterace> i used to have a uk keyboard and i'm in canada heh
<black_Nightmare> some of these cable kvm needs both ps/2 connectors to be powered to work .. but then with one of the pc I rather like use my own keyboard [alak through usb] 
<johaBBa> robl^, you use both plugged into the same computer at the same time?
<black_Nightmare> kinda like this way: 2 pc, 2 keyboards, 1 mouse, 1 mointor
<black_Nightmare> get it?
<Jesterace> oh kvm
<robl^> johaBBa: yeah.  I have a notebook with a built-in PS/2 keyaboard and a full size USB
<black_Nightmare> till I can buy/trade for a kvm that can switch itself and has ac power (so it doesn't have to be plugged to ps/2 ports for power)
<johaBBa> ah, i see
<phxguy> holy cow i did fdisk /dev/sda1 and then l
<Jesterace> i like my kvm
<Jesterace> handy
<phxguy> there are so many.... which should i choose???
<johaBBa> i just had a funny picture in my head of someone using one keyboard with their hands and the other with their feet at the same time
<Jesterace> hit numlock twice then hit up or down and it'll switch pc's
<afro-pi> re
<crymsan> /dev/sda
<black_Nightmare> joha..NEVER for me lol
<johaBBa> heh
<afro-pi> i've just installed ubuntu
<afro-pi> what is the admin pwd ?!? ;-)
<afro-pi> (root)
<johaBBa> afro-pi, use sudo
<black_Nightmare> so...anyhow think it could work to have one pc with two keyboards, the inactive ps/2 cable to kvm (to power it) and the main usb keyboard?
<aeolist_> the same as your user's one
<afro-pi> seems not...
<Jesterace> black_Nightmare,  seems plausible give it a try?
<Slaven> afro-pi: you can't login as root at first
<afro-pi> it doesn't accept my user pwd
<Slaven> login as a normal user
<Jesterace> that's the only way we'll find out
<black_Nightmare> jest..ok thanks anyhow ;)
<johaBBa> afro-pi, root account is disabled by default. type 'man sudo'
<Slaven> and type sudo passwd <password>
<afro-pi> ok
<Jesterace> best to learn by doing :P
<afro-pi> thanks
<Jesterace> that's my motto
<bung__> Slaven: no.
<afro-pi> you're right :)
<Slaven> ...no?
<crymsan> anyone try hoary?
<Jesterace> however i refuse to use usb preferals :P
<sockler> how do i change my user password
<bung__> that'd leave your password in your bash history, which would be a faux pas
<bung__> and I'm not sure if it works anyway
<johaBBa> crymsan, running hoary on my lappy for about a month now
<black_Nightmare> jest...kinda not the best old kvm I got (requiring itself plugged into four ps/2 ports to even work) but anyhow...maybe for now till I get a better kvm
<Slaven> yes it works
<black_Nightmare> a kvm with ac power so it wouldn't need the ps/2 cables ;)
<bung__> doing "passwd foo" sets the password for user foo
<Jesterace> black_Nightmare, mine is powered that way too
<crymsan> any reason why I wouldn't be able to boot the new release?
<robl^> hoary is about stable enough for a release?
<robl^> why am I wasting my time fetching warty :)
<Jesterace> robl^, I think it's stable enough
<Slaven> yeah, I meant sudo passwd <root>
<Jesterace> i'm running it :P
<johaBBa> crymsan, not sure what you are asking...
<Slaven> eh, sudo passwd root, even
<bung__> aha
<Jesterace> i haven't even really used warty since i needed hoary to have sound :P
<bung__> sorry for being anal then :)
<Bazzi> What packages do I need in order to compile a kernel driver module?
<black_Nightmare> hmm...one tricky question...
<Uboo> What conifguration file does "Windows Preferences" edit? I want to see if I can edit some stuff there to make it work how I want it to.
<johaBBa> sry, no PM.
<black_Nightmare> is it bios or os installion level to detect what kind of video source to use?
<Jesterace> Bazzi, build-essential fakeroot linux-headers and kernel-package i would recommend
<black_Nightmare> like say you have a computer and connect it immedately via tv/out cables to a tv before installing an os to the blank empty hd
<Bazzi> why fakeroot / what is that?
<robl^> Jesterace: should be no problem updating from preview to the release version later?  atpt-get dist-upgrade, right?
<Jesterace> robl^, should be fine :)
<Jesterace> that's how i do it
<Jesterace> i have no hoary cds
<Jesterace> just plenty of warty cds
<robl^> ohh..
<asgh> hi
<crymsan> hey
<asgh> i'm having some trouble with grub in ubuntu
<robl^> Jesterace: basically the same as in debian going from stable to testing  for warty to hoary?
<Jesterace> so i install warty then immediately update /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the hoary repo's then run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
<asgh> can anyone help me?
<Jesterace> yeah
<HcE> asgh: don't ask to ask, ask! (-:
<ob1kenobi> asgh, what's happening?
<black_Nightmare> or I guess my question is new? :p
<asgh> i have 2 hard drives, one with winx and one with ubuntu
<ob1kenobi> asgh, me too
<asgh> and grub won't let me boot winxp
<asgh> it gives error 23: error while parsing numbr
<Jesterace> asgh, which hd is xp on? primary or secondary?
<ob1kenobi> asgh, what is your last lines of menu.lst, those concerning windows?
<asgh> i think xp is primary master
<Bazzi> Jesterace what do I do when /lib/modules/2.6.10-5/build is not found? you happen to know what's missing then?
<Jesterace> hrmm
<Bazzi> It's like driving me nuts here.
<asgh>  title           Windows 95/98/NT/2000
<asgh> root            (sd1,0)
<asgh> makeactive
<asgh> chainloader     +1
<asgh> savedefault
<Bazzi> I cannot get that damn thing to compile
<asgh> last lines of menu.lst
<Jesterace> did you get the headers that are for your kernel?
<Bazzi> yep
<Kamion> Bazzi: linux-headers-* packages, I imagine
<Jesterace> linux-headers-$(name -r) will pull the matching kernel headers if you apt-get
<Bazzi> I've got linux-headers-2.6.10-5 (so the right ones)
<ob1kenobi> asgh, you win xp is on secondary drive
<Kamion> Bazzi: you'll need e.g. linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
<_linux_newb_>      uname -r
<Kamion> $ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-29_i386.deb | grep 'build '
<flyingsquirrel54> is there an easy way to format/partition/mount filesystems with ubuntu (gui)
<Kamion> lrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2005-03-22 17:15:07 ./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
<asgh> i'm sure it is on master but i don't really remember if it is primary or secondary..
<Bazzi> wtf.
<Bazzi> I had the wrong version apparently.
<GnuKemist> Kamion: please use #flood for this
<Jesterace> wonder if i can grab the vanilla kernel source from kernel.org and compile my own hehe
<Bazzi> head->table
<Kamion> Bazzi: linux-headers-2.6.10-5 is a common package to save space
<ob1kenobi> asgh, from your file (sd1,0) is not the primary. (sd0,0) is the primary
<Kamion> GnuKemist: no I think two lines to illustrate help I'm giving is quite reasonable
* Bazzi hugs you guys
* GnuKemist shrugs
<ob1kenobi> asgh, try moving the line chainloader as the last
<Kamion> four or five lines, sure
<bitstream> hello
<GnuKemist> Kamion: nm then... no harm
<ob1kenobi> asgh, and check the disk (primary/secondary).
<ob1kenobi> asgh, you can check from ubuntu.
<asgh> how?
<VladDrac> anyone know what might cause audio to fail with my haupage tv-card?
<VladDrac> I thought all it required was the msp3400 module (which is loaded)
<ob1kenobi> asgh, sudo fdisk -l
<bitstream> any1 can tell me if i can install PHP and mysql with the synaptic package manager ?
<asgh> yes, i did fdisk -l...how do i see which one is primary?
<ob1kenobi> asgh, and look at the results. You will see NTFS. If it says sda1 or sda2..
<marcin_ant> theantix: ip address and what...
<asgh> sda1
<marcin_ant> theantix: ipp://[hostip] /printers/printername?
<ob1kenobi> asgh, so your disk is primary. change the entry in menu.-lst with (sd0,0)
<bitstream> btw i try to mount ntfs partition but cant access it from the file manager :(
<asgh> ok, did that
<ob1kenobi> reboot
<jazzka> hi!
<asgh> ok
<asgh> thx a lot
<marcin_ant> theantix: or http://[hostip] /printers/printername... or maybe something else?
<ob1kenobi> asgh, no problem
<black_Nightmare> any of you know what hd formats ubuntu can read presently? (at the hoary preview version)
<asgh> i'm really enjoying ubuntu
<asgh> brb
<A-star> just a quick question
<bitstream> hd format?
<jazzka> My linux desktop (warty) was running ok during almost 7 months until today.
<ob1kenobi> asgh, you will soon format your ntfs partition!
<jazzka> I've rebooted and the gnome applications bar has dissappeared
<ob1kenobi> A-star, go ahead
<jazzka> any help?
<black_Nightmare> bitstream...in another word for your kind of people: partitions
<black_Nightmare> ;)
<jazzka> is there any way to restore the gnome dekstop?
<ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, any.
<A-star> after I installed openssh-server I want to install freenx, this depends on the ssh package (which does the same as the openssh-server and client).
<bitstream> black_Nightmare, :))
<A-star> Do I need to install the openssh-server then?
<black_Nightmare> ob1...hrm...even HFS?
<bitstream> black_Nightmare, can u tell me if i can find quick php/mysql IDE for ubuntu?
<Kamion> A-star: ssh is a transitional package that depends on openssh-server and openssh-client; yes, you still need openssh-server
<bitstream> i mean quick to install
<Kamion> A-star: freenx should probably depend on the virtual package ssh-server
<Slaven> bitstream: quanta, maybe?
<black_Nightmare> umm no idea LOL bitstream..I'm just trying to get understanding of ubuntu -- hope to try make an cdr and install it on mine pc by the time the weekend is around
<Kamion> A-star: but the ssh split is a relatively recent change and a lot of stuff hasn't adapted yet
<|QuaD-> beagle 0.8 released today :)
<ob1kenobi> bitstream, gedit
<black_Nightmare> just want to figure some compactibility and software questions first
<bitstream> Slaven, is it good?
<black_Nightmare> so...can hoary preview r/w to HFS hd's?
<A-star> ok thanks for the info
<ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, yes even hfs
<Slaven> I think it's nice. but it's a qt application so it might look a little mismatch on a gnome desktop.
<Slaven> unless you've configured KDE visuals.
<bitstream> i'm trying to install nusphere phpedit but it requires some libraries i cant find in the synaptic pkg manager
<GnuKemist> bitstream: I saw a live demo of Komodo... awsome!!!  but it isn't free...
<ob1kenobi> bitstream, I have installed NVU and it is nice with php
<black_Nightmare> hm ty... so linux, fat16, fat32, HFS, HFS+, what else can it 'see'? :p
<bitstream> nusphere PHPedit is soooo coool
<Slaven> black: ntfs?
<ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, it is hard to list here all fdisk types... a lot!
<crymsan> can it write to ntfs?
<bitstream> i'm new to ubunto
<Slaven> there are drivers for that now too, aren't there?
<bitstream> so i dont know how to install shit on it
<black_Nightmare> oh ic ob1 so in a word "almost anything if its already been there for several months" ... right?
<bitstream> i've never seen debian either
<A-star> anyone here who wants to help me with the configuration of freenx?
<bitstream> crymsan,  no
<mrtx> sudo sucks!
<neighbordude> guys where do I 'set' the desktop depth in gnome ??
<flyingsquirrel54> what's the easiest way of mounting a volume?
<ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, c'mon... I'm not jocking.. seriously
<GnuKemist> bitstream: easy... just remember apt-get install [app name] 
<asgh> didn't work =|
<bitstream> GnuKemist, what is that?
<neighbordude> I mean can desktop depth be set anywhere in gconf ?
<GnuKemist> bitstream: the way to install programs
<black_Nightmare> hmm ok think I don't have any more questions left except about modems compactibility but....no rush on that part yet
<black_Nightmare> :p
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, if the device or disk is recognised by hotplug it should be automatically mounted
<Jesterace> neighbordude, which are you using warty or hoary?
<GnuKemist> bitstream: via the console
<bitstream> but
<neighbordude> Jesterace, hoary preview release
<bitstream> i have to get it first in debian pkg format?right?
<Jesterace> ok
<GnuKemist> bitstream: you can always use Syanptic
<black_Nightmare> any of you heard of symbios pci cards?
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, otherwise you should use mount -t auto /dev/whatever /some/directory
<Jesterace> neighbordude, check under system -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
<flyingsquirrel54> I've got 2 windows partitions ntfs and fat3 where will they be mounted?
<GnuKemist> bitstream: is mysql in the portage system?
<Jesterace> and if the modes aren't there then you'll need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to support the proper depth
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, that depends - have a look in /media it's the most likely place
<neighbordude> Jesterace, been there done that and its not there faict
<black_Nightmare> was just wondering about this cheap scsi pci card I had...dunno about leave in there or take it out
<neighbordude> Jesterace, ie: all you can set is res and refresh rate but n ot 'depth'
<snetx10> i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system?
<Jesterace> ah color depth true
<neighbordude> Jesterace, yup
<snetx10> i'm running hoary
<Jesterace> you'll have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and select the color depth you want
<black_Nightmare> it seem to cause quite some trouble to 98se's device list but somehow works just fine with another non-window os
<neighborlee> Jesterace, yeah exactly..I had a hunch..darn gnome needs a gui for this <G>
<Jesterace> hehe
<neighborlee> :)
<Jesterace> that's true
<Jesterace> some nix version have a nice configurator for them
<ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, no prob for ubuntu. it will get recognized
<black_Nightmare> hm ok thanks ;)
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, any luck?
<black_Nightmare> say... does it have to be specific to particular scanners all the times or think its possible to have like a generic user-customized scanner driver? (user select color and res for starters)
<black_Nightmare> if that seem like a stupid thought then delete it
<stazz> is there any ubuntu-specific tools?
<black_Nightmare> :P
<flyingsquirrel54> yeh,
<flyingsquirrel54> sort of.
<grogoreo> hi
<flyingsquirrel54> it mounted, but I don't have permission to open
<flyingsquirrel54> wait, I did the ntfs, I should do the fat instead
<snetx10> hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)
<black_Nightmare> brb..trying find card jumpers again
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, Ubuntu only has read support for ntfs - regardless of permissions
<grogoreo> im trying to change the permissions of a group of folders (one folder with lots of sub folders) and i can change the permissions by using the command: chmod -R 755 folder    but i want to specify a user with that. any ideas?
* alavista installed Hoary preview on a PII, now adding updates...
<flyingsquirrel54> what about fat?
<black_Nightmare> oh damn **** it.  my favorite hardware site closed down... :|
<alavista> grogoreo: you run latter: chown -R newuser folder
<black_Nightmare> any of you know any site for jumper/pinout for older pci+isa cards?
<alexwillmer> grogoreo, use chown to do that, only root (or sudo) can do it thougg
<grogoreo> thanks alavista and alexwillmer
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, read write support - you may need to adjust mount permissions to get write support as a normal user
<black_Nightmare> sorry..nevermind I found a previously-hidden mirror
<Skid> hi folks, I've just updated to horay but my x config is broke now.. I can't seem to get it up, looking at the log, there's a version mismatch, but I can't seem to sort it
<flyingsquirrel54> alex willmer: yeah, fat works fine. I didn't expect the other one anyway.
<jeanjean> xmms dont work I ve got these error libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<jeanjean> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
<flyingsquirrel54> Actually the reason I asked was just to see if there is a gui way of doing it?
<jeanjean> can anybody help
<Skid> Error: API mismatch : the NVIDIA kernel module is ver 1.0.6111, but this X Module is version 1.0.6629 pls be aware that your kernel and NVIDIA driver must have the same vrsion
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, cool - were they already mounted, or did you need to do it manually?
<flyingsquirrel54> manually
<flyingsquirrel54> is there a gui way of doing it?
<alavista> flyingsquirrel54: manually as "root" (or sudo) or normal user?
<alexwillmer> ok, try this - from the menu bar, Computer -> Disks
<flyingsquirrel54> sudo, I was told here earlier that ubuntu doesn't allow one to do su!
<LinuxLover> hello
<flyingsquirrel54> I just installed today!
<alexwillmer> each icon should allow you to right click and mount or unmount
<snetx10> hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, su is different to sudo
<maddler> flyingsquirrel54... you need to do "sudo su"
<alavista> flyingsquirrel54: hmm, since you mounted as root (sudo way), it's by default read-only. You can specify a mount option to be accessible by normal user.
<LinuxLover> Why does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?
<A-star> woehoe, freenx finally works now
<flyingsquirrel54> which Icons do I right click on?
<jeanjean> snetx10: Go to System --> Prefernces --> Select multimedia system
<flyingsquirrel54> and how do I specify r/w
<alexwillmer> unmount from the command line (using sudo) then try the icons in Computer->Disks, it might Just Work(tm)
<snetx10> jeanjean: thank you :)
<LinuxLover> I have a few questions, can anyone help?
<snetx10> dont ask to ask, just ask!
<alexwillmer> LinuxLover, fire away
<snetx10> :)
<maddler> linuxboy... about the questions? or about what the questions are about? ;)
<alavista> flyingsquirrel54: it's better to mount as normal user or use the graphical interface. else, you delve more and more in complexity and things do not work..
<LinuxLover> Why does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?
<bitstream> da,mit
<bitstream> damnit that is
<flyingsquirrel54> no, when I right click I don't see anything about mounting
<bitstream> i get weird errors
<alexwillmer> alavista, there is that, too many longer term users need to be weened from the command line when giving advice (self included)
<jeanjean> LinuxLover --> try to write or download the cd again ?
<alexwillmer> LinuxLover, not with just that, I'd need more details
<LinuxLover> It's a pressed copy, from Ubuntu. I just received it in the mail 3 days ago
<bitstream> when i uncommented the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list synaptick pkg manager says it cant connect to the sercers
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, is that the icons in Disks?
<LinuxLover> Alright, what else do you need to know? I put it in, boots up to the loading screen and just stalls there. Like it freezes.
<bitstream> any1 knows why is that?
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, sorry the window will be titled Computer, the menu entry is called Disks
<flyingsquirrel54> I've got 4 icons, floppy1, cdrom1 filesystem, network
<alavista> bitstream: you can enable/disable repositories from the graphical interface..
<Skid> can anyone help me with X and nvidia please?
<Skid> i knew I shouldn't of updated to horay :/
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok, that's the one. And there's no mount/unmount option in the menu when you rightclick an icon?
<jeanjean> Skid: Hoary ?
<LinuxLover> And also, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?
<Skid> yep
<flyingsquirrel54> no
<Skid> horay, whatever
<alavista> Skid: you probably need to install the correct version of the NVidia driver. You may be able to do from command line or configure manually your Xorg server to use some default low resolution so that you do graphically...
<Tux-Rox> Anyone know if beagle / best is going to make it into 5.04? I saw a wiki page saying it is in restricted, but it is not it seems....
<Skid> I've just updated nvidia from apt.. and im using XFee86, not Xorg
<flyingsquirrel54> open, open new window, copy, prop.
<alavista> Tux-Rox: AFAIK, beagle is not ready yet, planned for the next version of Ubuntu, in six months time.
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, sorry Filesystem and Network are exceptions try cdrom1 or floppy1
<michael__> hey all.. having problems with audio! i tried going to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector, but that just gives errors for any set up i select
<LinuxLover> alexwillmer, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?
<Tux-Rox> alavista, too bad to hear. I figured since it is going to make it into SuSe 9.3 next month, it would make it in to Hoary.... :-(
<flyingsquirrel54> yeah, but that just mounts media that's in the respective devices, no hd's
<bitstream> alavista, can u tell me some other repositories?
<alexwillmer> LinuxLover, ubuntu is tailored for gnome - I'm sure fluxbox is doable, I don't know how though
<Jesterace> i used e17 in ubuntu
<kkathman> Greetings all :)
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok but the entry is there. I have an icon for my windows partition, let me think why you lack one
<Jesterace> just a matter of installing the wm then selecting it as a session on the gdm screen once every thing is installed and configured properly
<LinuxLover> alexwillmer, so what about the stalling problem?
<flyingsquirrel54> when "I was installing I didn't tell it to use the partition
<flyingsquirrel54> I have only one drive, perhaps you have 2
<_phate_> have they fixed the US hoary mirror issue?
<alavista> bitstream: a generic list is provided in the update application. I recommend to work on those instead of adding manually other repositories. Risky, especially when you use Hoary.
<alexwillmer> LinuxLover, I said that I couldn't give an answer jut with the description you gave, what is the last text printed before it stalls, is here any error? does the cd work on another computer?
<LinuxLover> No, the screen is the one where it's just a yellow background with the ubuntu logo and the loading bar at the bottom. This is the LiveCD.
<alavista> Tux-Rox: Beagle in SuSE 9.3? Strange stuff. Beagle is still being developed.
<bitstream> ok
<bitstream> 10x man
<_phate_> what is the default sources.list for apt-get?
<LinuxLover> Does anyone know a site that offers free linux CDs? besides the freelinuxcd project?
<michael__> hi all.. i'm having audio problems! i'm currently running ubuntu hoary, and i get error messages when i attempt to run any audio files in xmms.. it recommends that i check my sound card configuration.. but i dont know how to do that
<Tux-Rox> alavista, I've read it in a few places today as PR from the Brainshare conference. Could be a confused reporter or two...
<geppy> LinuxLover:  Talk to your friends?  Go to your local LUG?
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, try this: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
<flyingsquirrel54> alexwillmer: no ideas??
<geppy> michael__: Make sure that you install the xmms-esd package, and set the audio driver to "esound".
<Jesterace> michael__,  what soundcard do you have?
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, what is the device of your fat32 volume?
<geppy> Jesterace: It's probably just an ESD conflict.
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, eg /dev/hda1
<LinuxLover> geppy, None will do the job because they dont have the proper tools, such as a buurner and proper connection. And there are no LUGs near my area.
<michael__> Jesterface: SB Live!
<LinuxLover> alexwillmer, so can you suggest something?
<Jesterace> michael__, 24bit?
<flyingsquirrel54> it's not in the list.
<Jesterace> or a good one?
<geppy> LinuxLover: I don't know of any other sites, but you can buy CDs in various places.  LinuxISO sells CDs, I think.
<flint> DOEs anyone know of any server/channel whihc is mozilla psecific ?
<michael__> Jesterace: hmm i dont know if its 24bit..
<geppy> Are there any Linux projects similar to Windows' little hardware detection applet?
<Jesterace> ahh
<LinuxLover> gepp, Alright thanks for the help anyway
<Jesterace> because i know  my sb live is a 24bit and i need a different driver than the normal sb live driver
<alexwillmer> LinuxLover, I've given you my answer, wrt to free CDs I haven't looked I'm happy to pay a few pounds and cheapbytes or similar
<geppy> I don't want to duplicate someone elses' work, if there's already something going.
<Jesterace> which i had to build myself
<bancus> seb128, you around?
<michael__> oh
<LinuxLover> alexwillmer, no not that problem
<LinuxLover> alexwillmer, the stalling problem.
<seb128> bancus: ?
<Jesterace> michael__, do me a favor
<bancus> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8087
<Jesterace> open a terminal and enter lspci
<michael__> Jesterace: well, my audio works on the LiveCD but not after i actually installed it on my hard drive
<bancus> Which package should I be trying to build from source?
<Jesterace> and tell me what the Multimedia audio controller is
<alexwillmer> LinuxLover, No I don;t have enough information
<Jesterace> just so i know which version it is :P
<bancus> (Figured it'd be easier to get you IRC than bugzilla messaging.)
<Uboo> Files with any special character (stuff with an umlaut for one) on my mounted ntfs partitions won't show up. How do I fix this?
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, what is not in the list?
<flyingsquirrel54> sorry, there's no entry for my partition in the list. I can add it, I was just looking for an esier way.
<alavista> Uboo: hmm, verify that "utf8" encoding is chosen for your ntfs mount..
<LinuxLover> alexwillmer, I'm talking about the LIVE CD. I'm using it to test out Ubuntu. I put it in my computer and boot it up. The LIVE CD loads up fine until the LOADING SCREEN. The one with the yellow background, the logo, and the loading bar at the bottom. There are no error messages, no writing space, nothing.
<michael__> Jesterace: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08)
<Jesterace> ah ok
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, we can also try this with your ntfs volume, what was the full mount command you used?
<Jesterace> it has the driver then
<Jesterace> hmm
<Jesterace> must be a esd thing then
<michael__> hmm
<Jesterace> it's a good sb live :P
<michael__> esd
<Jesterace> compared to mine
<Uboo> alavista: How do I do that? I simply followed ubuntuguide.org's directions for making it mount on bootup.
<jcurry> i'm a debian sid user, running ubuntu's xorg debs...how much trouble would i have editing my sources.list to point to the ubuntu repos and apt-get dist-upgrade'ing?
<Jesterace> try a power off then power on
<Jesterace> perhaps hardware needs refreshed
<michael__> yeh i tried that
<alexwillmer> LinuxLover, You've said that and I've said that' not enough for me to go on, please accept that answer
<geppy> jcurry:  Only one way to find out.
<flyingsquirrel54> sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /data
<Jesterace> michael type alsamixer
<Jesterace> see if it loads up
<michael__> no mixer elems found
<jcurry> geppy, true...but i was hoping someone else had already done it, and could make suggestions
<LinuxLover> alexwillmer, You could of told me that you don't have an answer, isntead of saying not enough information which makes me assume you need more info. Please be more accurate.
<geppy> Try searching the forums, and such.
<afro-pi> no mplayer package under ubuntu ?
* alavista notices it takes ages for a poor PII to update Hoary... When installing the gstreamer updates, the sound-mixer applet died... ;-)
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok, add this line to the end of /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1       /data  ntfs    user,noauto,uid=alex,gid=alex,umask=077         0               0
<isam> hi there .. I think I have a stange new problem
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, except in your case replace alex with your login name
<isam> k3b can't see that I has a cd-writer
<isam> and further more.. it doesn't appear in /dev
<seb128> bancus: what about it ?
<isam> although it used to appear before I upgraded my syetem
<alavista> Uboo: Type "locale" in your command prompt and verify that all lines have the same value. Tell us what value that is (looks like "en_US.UTF-8".)
<bancus> seb128, I just put a message on it explaining
<bancus> seb, which package should I be trying to build?
<flyingsquirrel54> yeh, I caught that
<jeanjean> can anyone help i got these error if i open xmms: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<flyingsquirrel54> I'm also gonna put my fat in there
<alexwillmer> I thought I'd been clear, first I asked for any errors - since none were printed I couldn't help. don't worry about it too much though
<Uboo> alavista: Every line has whatever="en_US.UTF-8" excpet the line "LC_ALL=" which is the last line
<andril> are there any good .deb repositories?
<michael__> Jesterace: no mixer elems found
<andril> anyone have issues with themes after installing Hoary?
<Jesterace> hrmm
<alavista> jeanjean: You need the "mikmod" package for this.
<Jesterace> odd
<jeanjean> alavista: thx
<LinuxLover> Anyone konw what the command to register on this server is
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok. Once you've saved those changes icons should appear in the Computer window - although it may take a relogin or reboot to take effect
<LinuxLover> ?*
<alavista> Uboo: ok, your shell info is good then.
<Uboo> So, what else could it be?
<alavista> LinuxLover: Type "/msg NickServ help"
<LinuxLover> I did
<LinuxLover> --- nickserv :No such nick/channel
<alavista> LinuxLover: you got a password?
<LinuxLover> Nope
<Uboo> alavista: My fstab says "/dev/hdb1	/media/C	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0" and "/dev/hdb3	/media/D	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0"
<flyingsquirrel54> standby...
<LinuxLover> Thats why I'm trying to register
<michael__> Jesterace: so what sounds like my problem is then?
<LinuxLover> are services up?
* Zotnix attempts to install beagle again.
<michael__> Jesterace: would it be that my soundcard is not configured properly, or i dont have the correct output plugin selected?
<alavista> Uboo: try adding "utf8" next to the umask parameter (.... umask=0222,utf8 0 0....)
<talelxix> can anyone help i just installed ubuntu and cant audio to work
<Jesterace> michael__, sounds like the soundcard module isn't installed
<Jesterace> running hoary or warty?
<michael__> hoary
<Jesterace> hmm
<alavista> Uboo: I figured out "utf8" by running on the command line "man mount", then looking into the NTFS section.
<Uboo> alavista: Same. (I'm using "sudo mount -a" after each change)
<flyingsquirrel54> great it works!
<LinuxLover> What distro do you people suggest for a Linux newbie? Which distro is suitable for someone who's just starting out with Linux?
<flyingsquirrel54> will I be risking data if I edit the ntfs partition?
<alavista> LinuxLover: err, ubuntu?
<asgh> hi
<|QuaD-> LinuxLover = newbie?
<LinuxLover> Yes
<asgh> having real trouble getting grub to boot winxp can anyone help me?
<|QuaD-> interesting choice of nick's then :)
<alavista> flyingsquirrel54: better not edit the ntfs partition. specify the flag to mount it read-only ("ro").
<andril> Ubuntu of course - easy + Linux = Ubuntu
<LinuxLover> |QuaD-, nicknames don't always describe the user.
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, the driver won't allow you to write anything, there is a project called captive-ntfs if you absolutely MUST have write access but it's a last resort and takes some configuration
<|QuaD-> LinuxLover: it was just a comment :)
<black_Nightmare> hey quad :p
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, out of interest why did ou choose flyingsquirrel as a nick
<|QuaD-> hey black_Nightmare :)
<flyingsquirrel54> Let me be sure I have this clear, the way we confi'd It won't LET me edit, right
<black_Nightmare> just trying prep my pc down...especially thinkI need fix some screws too
<black_Nightmare> then going to see about ubuntu on it
<LinuxLover> |QuaD-, so was mine. =D
<flyingsquirrel54> good question!
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, the ntfs kernel driver has no write support, it's incapable of writing data
<crymsan> ubuntu eh? I'm not getting off to a good start ;-) Warty and Hoary won't boot :)
<crymsan> well, the cd's won't boot
<LinuxLover> My live cd stalls at the loading screen. Have noidea what to do.
<flyingsquirrel54> this is, beleive it or not the first time I've used IRC. Back in the day when it was big I didn't have internet. My boss gets some crazy things that pop in his head, said not to use my name. I kind of like it though
<alexwillmer> crysman do any cds bboot for you, the bios must be configured to boot from cd
<BockBilbo> hey
<crymsan> it will boot a debian cd just fine
<black_Nightmare> quad so whats new with YOU anyhow?
<BockBilbo> can someone tell me what do the 'd's mean in this ls -ld output: drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 2005-03-23 23:01 folder/
<BockBilbo> ?
<crymsan> directory
<BockBilbo> oh
<BockBilbo> :D
<crymsan> s = socket
<BockBilbo> thanks
<asgh> please could anyone help me? i'm getting kinda desperate here...can't get grub to boot up winxp
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: same old stuff, exam tomorrow... :(
<wavefunction> 'nite.
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, heh, it's a bit long but I like it too
<phxguy> how can i get my usb wi-fi adapter to work?
<black_Nightmare> quad...blah..good luck anyhow.  I hope to get ubuntu on my own pc by the time the weekend is around ;)
<flyingsquirrel54> That's perfect about the driver. Thanks for all of your help. Your awsome man!!
<flyingsquirrel54> gotta go.
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: good luck on that ;)
<alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, you're welcome good night
<crymsan> well, maybe I'll just try to upgrade my debian install into ubuntu, here we go
<Jesterace> heh cat damn near tore off the tray to my dvd-rw
<black_Nightmare> quad..yeah the only thing I'm not so sure about is that I'm told I might have to configure my one and only isa card manually :|
<wavefunction> Is it possible to know how a given .deb was compiled ?
<black_Nightmare> I hope I can do okay
<|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: whats an isa card?
<black_Nightmare> quad.. creative soundblaster 16 [pnp isa card] 
<black_Nightmare> its in the isa slot
<crymsan> the card that isn't a pci, or an agp :)
<alexwillmer> crymsan, there are 2 methods of making bootable linux cds IIRC, some bioses don't work with the second, that may be it
<black_Nightmare> crym..LOL
<Kamion> wavefunction: apt-get source <package>, start with debian/ruels
<crymsan> alexwillmer, sorry, two methods? what methods are these?
<Kamion> wavefunction: er, debian/rules
<alexwillmer> crymsan, my recolection is hazy, one sec
<michael__> Jesterace: so if the sound card module isn't installed.. what do i install then?
<wavefunction> Kamion: So, then I can download the sources, define new configuration and then use debian/ubuntu tool for generating a new package, right ?
<asgh> has anyone had any trouble with SATA hard drives and grub?
<Kamion> wavefunction: yeah, install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'
<alexwillmer> crymsan, I'm afraid I can't find a reference. I believe it's something like (1) fake it: embed a bootable floppy image, bios loads that which boots and loads stuff from cd (2) really do it, bootstrap loaded straight from cd and continue from there. Some BIOSs only support (1) which was an interim hack
<alexwillmer> crymsan, it's possible that debian uses 1 for compatibility and Ubuntu uses 2, but that's only a guess
<wavefunction> Kamion: Thanks, for the help ! I'll try that.
<crymsan> alexwillmer, thanks, I'll try upgrading the bios, and if not try upgrading from debian
<punkrockguy318> Hmm.. It seems that ubuntulinux is vulnerable to fork bombs by default...
<michael__> i tried to apt-get xmms-esd, but it isn't there.. i suppose my sources list isn't complete..  what settings are you people using for sources.list?
<michael__> for hoary
<punkrockguy318> michael__, i have a pretty complete sources.list and it's not coming up
<alexwillmer> crysma simple workaround would be to boot from floppy, Ubuntu must supply an image
<fubared> what runlevels should hotplug be in?
<michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. thanks
<Kamion> alexwillmer: sadly not, our 2.6 kernels won't fit on a floppy
<Heliode> Good evening all
<Kamion> alexwillmer: I'll check the isolinux/el-torito thing tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure we're the same as Debian in this regard
<andril> hy now
<andril> anyone using MPlayer?
<Heliode> I've got a question; does anyone here have any experiance using WLAN cards with ubuntu? Mine works fine (with NDISWrapper) but its a pain to have it connect to wireless networks. i use it at school and at home, and sometimes i have to reboot the machine before it will even detect networks
<michael__> anyone who can help me: i'm having audio problems.. i get no audio from my speakers.. when i go to System->Preferences-> Multimedia Systems Selector and choose any of the  different output sinks, i still get errors
<punkrockguy318> michael__, is your volume up?
<michael__> yes
<punkrockguy318> michael__, what are your errors?
<alexwillmer> crymsan, Kamion this might fit the bill http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/wolves/2004-October/010325.html
<black_Nightmare> any of you willing to help me find info on one particular pci card?
<michael__> well for example when i click the test button in the Multimedia Systems Selector, i get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'"
<theine> Hi, I'm not able to install ubuntu-base under Hoary after the last 'apt-get update'
<theine> Is this a known problem?
<punkrockguy318> theine, yup, be patient...
<alexwillmer> hmm, maybe not
<theine> alright
<sockler> is 128mb of ram enough to run ubuntu? because thats what i have and its going realllll slow
<punkrockguy318> theine, libc-686 needs to be compiled and released etc
<theine> I see
<michael__> when i run volume meter, i get the error "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." and when i do that, there is no esd command
<black_Nightmare> sockler..I think its suggested to have at least 256MB
<punkrockguy318> michael__, sudo apt-get install esd
<michael__> punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp does not exist
<alexwillmer> anyway, time for bed, good night all
<punkrockguy318> oh
<punkrockguy318> michael__, looks like your soundcard isn't being detected..
<LuckyStrike> Hello all
<tahorg> anyone here has tried beagle on ubuntu ?
<michael__> punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp no such device
<tahorg> I've got a lock timeout from mono
<socomm> tahorg: google
<michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?
<tahorg> but dunno where it comes from
<tahorg> socomm: I used the wiki
<tahorg> socomm: but I've an exception from mono :(
<geppy> Does anyone know of a plug'n'play hardware detection solution similar to Windows' pop-up applet daemon?
<socomm> tahorg: All right, you gotta setup your FS to be indexed and what not.
<tahorg>  /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro
<tahorg> that was in the wiki
<socomm> geppy: automount?
<geppy> socomm: Automount only works with harddrives, cd-rom drives, flash drives, and the like, right?
<socomm> geppy: As far as I know, yes.
<geppy> socomm: I'm looking specifically for a USB plug'n'play applet for webcams, USB headphones, etc.
<socomm> Storage devices in general will show up on your desktop.
<geppy> socomm:  More specifically, I'm wanting to write one, and I'm trying to make sure I don't duplicate someone else's work uselessly.
<turko> hi, i dont known how to write in english but i need help....with cups
<geppy> socomm: I'm wanting to clone Windows' little pop-up hardware detection thingy with something that automatically downloads and installs the drivers for detected devices via apt.
<socomm> geppy: Haven't heard of such a thing, but I'd   visit a search engine before taking up such a task.
<andrewski> socomm: you in here too? :)
<socomm> andrewski: Yes I wanted to see if there was any discussion about the slashdot story.
<michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?
<andrewski> socomm: slashdot?
<geppy> socomm:  I've been trying, but I haven't met any kind of success.  autodetection and plug'n'play just kind of ruin the hope of finding anything.
<punkrockguy318> michael__, hmm...
<andrewski> socomm: so you don't usu ubuntu?
<socomm> andrewski: Yes, but I don't hang out here much.
<geppy> socomm:  Some of us have gotten off of our /. addiction;  what is the article? =)
<LuckyStrike> How can i auto-identify in xchat?
<andrewski> socomm: oh, what slashdot story are you talking about?
<socomm> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/23/1820243.shtml?tid=163&tid=90&tid=106
* andrewski is aloof to the ways of slashdot.
<geppy> yeargh
* geppy hesitates
* geppy has been /.-free for months
<geppy> is that about NeroLinux?
<thoreauputic>  Yqa,  [Yqa]  (cxv@81.213.64.29) : Pamella is doing on-join spam
<socomm> Executive summary: Rumors of UserLinux and Ubutnu merging to one Uber distro.
<geppy> socomm: Oooh.
<punkrockguy318> socomm, did you hear the other /. story? ubuntu is vulnerable to fork bombs
<Burgundavia> mailing list post by jdub to userlinux
<Burgundavia> and it got a mixed reception
<andrewski> UserLinux... never heard of it.
<socomm> punkrockguy318: Haven't read that story as of yet.
<Burgundavia> and then Bruce Perens said no
<turko> alguien que hable espaol y me ayude con cups...quien puede ser?
<black_Nightmare> ok just one question before I start yanking cards around (ROFL....me funny) = recoken it wouldn't be difficult to use an ati all-in-wonder radeon 7500 for vga, tv viewing, and to record video to the hd even if I need seperate software for some of the functions?
<mwylde> Bruce Perens said on /. that he was sticking with Debian
<punkrockguy318> socomm, it's a couple days old
<black_Nightmare> its an agp 64mb sdram card
<socomm> andrewski: http://www.userlinux.com
<geppy> black_Nightmare: That'd be really easy on windows.
<mjr> mwylde, hmh, rather a shame, methinks
<mwylde> With the state of debian release schedules, I can't see why he's sticking with it
<mjr> userlinux and ubuntu would seem to be a good match to me
<black_Nightmare> geppy..and for ubuntu?  I was told there's a tv player program already
<mwylde> yeah
<socomm> geppy: Anyways you'd have to write something specific to GNOME/KDE/XFCE/* whatever. Or a daemon to run in the background and have it communicate with applets written in different Tool Kits.
<geppy> black_Nightmare:  I don't know, but my friends have never gotten their ATI cards to work properly.
<black_Nightmare> hm :\
<geppy> socomm:  Right, I was definitely looking to do it just for GNOME.
<black_Nightmare> and I only have ati cards...
<punkrockguy318> feel so insecure about my ssh when i am vulnerable to a fork bomb
<black_Nightmare> may as well as just prop an ati rage agp in and see if that still works
<black_Nightmare> but...I have the aiw laying right there..blah oh well
<mwylde> I'm using Kubuntu, and I can't seem to set my display resolution above 1024768
<geppy> socomm:  I'm looking to have a daemon that just reads the system messages, and acts appropriately. =)
<punkrockguy318> mwylde, same here w/ ubuntu
<mwylde> I have an ATI 9200
<socomm> Well if you don't have drivers for something I doubt you'll be able to read it.
<punkrockguy318> geppy, seems like a good idea... usually obscure hardware isn't in the kernel by default
<mwylde> It works fine with FC3
<theine> black_Nightmare: my ati card works rather nicely under Ubuntu
<socomm> Or access it.
<black_Nightmare> hmm...ok I'll try swap the aiw7500 in for now..even if it actually only works as vga card right away
<black_Nightmare> thanks a lot
<geppy> socomm:  Could you not identify the device, then download drivers for it?
<socomm> geppy: Not to my knowledge.
<geppy> socomm:  HMm..
<socomm> I'm have a very limited knowledge on this area though.
<geppy> socomm:  How would Windows do it, then?  They still have to download the drivers once they identify the device.
<lrojas> can anybody tell me what to do to enable syntax highlighting in emacs-nox for html, php, css, etc?
<garrut> hi, anyone here got experience with setting up a dns server for a local network?
<reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
<socomm> geppy: They probably recognize it as a generic device, then let you figure out what sort of device it is.
<black_Nightmare> I just decided to take another look at the wiki again and guess what I found? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards it has an aiw9800 in the list.....so maybe I'm not too far off
<aldarsior> hey, the default config for rhythmbox seems to not support mp3s, is there a way to correct this or should I just use something else for music?
<socomm> geppy: Let you figure out the make, model, etc.
<reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
<geppy> socomm: On Windows?  With all of the webcams, USB sound devices, etc, that I've used, it auto-magically determines what it is, and only notifies you as it progresses in installing it.
<thoreauputic> aldarsior: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
<reraq> debian da x yeniden nasi configure ederim? x acilmio
<reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
<aldarsior> thoreauputic: thanks a bunch.
<socomm> geppy: Yes it determines that it's a web cam and lets you figure out what sorta cam it is.
<thoreauputic> aldarsior: you'll need the universe repository
<thoreauputic> aldarsior: and you're welcome :)
<geppy> socomm:  Hmmm, I definitely remember this incorrectly.  I'll have to play around with some of my friends' Windows boxes this week. =)
<socomm> geppy: You'd probably better off discussing this on ubuntu's mailing list though.
<geppy> socomm: Alright, thanks! =)
<socomm> Sorry I wasn't of more help. :^)
<geppy> socomm:  Don't be, linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net is entertaining me. =)
<socomm> geppy: Good luck.
<geppy> socomm: Thanks!
<phosphorgreen> hello all
<Mr_Elendig> hi
<phosphorgreen> does anyone here have experience with wu-imapd
<phin> hey, is there a way to get the trash BACK on the desktop?!
<rempresent> my graphics card isn't working as fast, or it seems like it is chuggy, how can i go about diagnosing this?
<handsome_b> hello everybody
#ubuntu 2006-03-27
<yamathan> Hmm ...
<gnomefreak> transgress: you can remove it
<Toki_Masa> _frank: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/applications
<Toki_Masa> Scroll down to "Ubuntu for Eduction".
<barktpolar> I'm sticing with Ubuntu
<_frank> gnomefreak: I thought that was mostly for easy installation in schools
<gnomefreak> transgress: its not gonna affect anything
<mzinz> rukuartic, i see
<juztin> barktpolar, me too
<rukuartic> Does anyone know what logs moniter LAN status? My router got shut down today and I'd like to know what time it happened.
<gnomefreak> _frank: it has teacher/tudent packages
<Toki_Masa> Also: What's a good mirror to use to download? Or should I use BitTorrent?
<gnomefreak> student
<barktpolar> At least with Ubuntu, you can order CDs for it
<Eroick> gnomefreak: can i delete the files by hand then tell dpkg that its gone somehow?
<jmorris> xpti.dat it says to delete but another faq says to delete this to remove it
<_frank> Toki_Masa: oh... That could be said of many linux distributions
<rukuartic> mzinz: Its just a graphical front end to linux. If you type "ls" in the terminal, it outputs all the files in the directory. Gnome/fluxbox/others just take that information and put it in a box with icons
<rukuartic> mzinz: and a few other things :P
<barktpolar> You can't order Kubuntu or Edubuntu discs
<gnomefreak> Eroick: you can try sudo dpkg -r packagename
<Hexidigital> gnomefreak, you know if it has college student apps?
<sfar-ubu> !firefox1.5
<ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
<gnomefreak> Hexidigital: off hand no i dont
<mzinz> rukuartic, thanks :)
<Eroick> hnomei did
<gnomefreak> !edubuntu
<ubotu> edubuntu is probably an Ubuntu version suitable for classroom use. See http://edubuntu.org or visit #edubuntu
<gnomefreak> ^^^^
<Toki_Masa> Hmm. I heard good things about Debian and Ubuntu, and Ubuntu seems cool to me, so I'[m going there for my first distro.
<rukuartic> mzinz: no problem.
<Hexidigital> gnomefreak, thanks anyway... never hurts to ask
<rumpledrev> alexk_, its hard to gett an answer!!! I have audio probs too
<rukuartic> Toki_Masa: Good choice D:
<rukuartic> *:D
<mzinz> rukuartic, in this screen, how did he get that thing on the left? It looks like gDesklets but they dont mention it: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=212702003543b821f3279ba&p=screen
<Toki_Masa> But should I use BT or a mirror to download ubuntu?
<gnomefreak> Hexidigital: read the page ubotu posted for your answer
<jbritz22> anyone know how to disable minimize animations?
<barktpolar> Toki_Masa: Ubuntu is better than Debian, you can get Free Cds for Ubuntu
<gnomefreak> Toki_Masa: alot of people use bittorrent but its up to you i use server
<Hexidigital> gnomefreak, i did, but i couldn't find a list of anythign that comes in it
<Majd> redguy, should i make swap primary or logical?
<Toki_Masa> I'm going to burn my own DVD so I can save it and reuse on disk.
<redguy> Majd: no difference
<Majd> ok
<Toki_Masa> Like with other versions of Ubuntu.
<nlogax> Blippe does the debootstrap box have sudo too
<nlogax> ?
<Majd> redguy, thank you very much, it's applying the changes, i apreciate your help
<redguy> Majd: there is propably no difference with the / partition as well, but I wanted to save you possible trouble
<Blippe> nlogax, i added a line, made a hosts-file (it didn't exist, debootstrap didn't create one), and made the appropiate changes in  sudoers, and it works...we'll se what happens after a ubuntu-destop install
<redguy> Majd: np
<rukuartic> mzinz: Checking...
<jman_wp> Did anyone have any trouble getting vmware installed?
<Blippe> nlogax, yes, it did
<opioyd> jaawood, no
<nlogax> Blippe: nice work :-)
<opioyd> opps
<hurax> hi, so now to my problem: i can't get xorg to run. i'm using ubuntu 5.10 amd64, and have a k8nf4g mainboard with integrated nvidia chipset
<rukuartic> mzinz: Heh... no clue. But "GKRellM" does a great job on that stuff ;)
<Toki_Masa> I didn't see this on the Ubuntu site. Does it come with Sun Java or do I need to d/l Sun Java from the Sun site?
<redguy> !java
<gnomefreak> Hexidigital: here you go http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html
<ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
<jbritz22> anyone know how to disable the animations of minimaztation in ubuntu/gnome?
<mzinz> rukuartic, better than gdesklets? cause i thought those looked hella ugly
<barktpolar> Anyone know when the D.D. Disks are coming?
<rumpledrev> barktpolar, June 1
<gnomefreak> barktpolar: 6/06
<redguy> barktpolar: with shipit you mean?
<Toki_Masa> k. Thanks.
<barktpolar> Yes redguy
<hurax> i tried to search omething in google (with lynx) and it told me to use the proprietary drivers but i don't have them selected, can you use them at all in amd64?
<NickGarvey> barktpolar: it takes a good chunk of time
<NickGarvey> barktpolar: don't wait for it, expect it as a surprise some day
<Hexidigital> thanks gnomefreak
<rumpledrev> after June 1
<rukuartic> mzinz: Its an ugly app, but ugly apps run very fast.
<gnomefreak> yw
<redguy> barktpolar: what NickGarvey said... :-)
<barktpolar> True, It was a surprise for me to get my B.B. Disks
<Kr4t05> Does anyone know I would properly add a line to fstab for an NFS directory?
<Toki_Masa> Interesting. No 5.10 torrents. Is this normal?
<gnomefreak> if released on june 1 they should be sending them out (maybe not to you) that date or june 2ndish
<mzinz> rukuartic, therefore GKRellM is nicer/slower?
<Toki_Masa> I found torrends for 5.04, but not 5.10.
<rukuartic> mzinz: Its faster/ugly
<Blippe> Kr4t05, yeah, wait a sec
<rumpledrev> think about 5 weeks
<_frank> gnomefreak: is June 1st the official release date now?
<rukuartic> mzinz: but beauty is in the eye of the beholder ;0
<gnomefreak> Toki_Masa: there used to be torrents
<Toki_Masa> Just for 5.04...
<mzinz> rukuartic, i want it to look as nice as his, hes got like transparencies etc
<barktpolar> Have your looked in the downloads setcion of ubuntu
<gnomefreak> _frank: i havent been here but the topic says it was annouved so yes
<jbritz22> whats a good msn alternative for gnome besides gaim
<rukuartic> Toki_Masa: They're comming out with a new version in just a few months
<rukuartic> jbritz22: amsn
<Toki_Masa> Yeah, so?
<nlogax> mzinz: try Gkrellm2 with the Milk skin
<jbritz22> ok
<pramz> jbritz22, amsn
<Toki_Masa> I can still get it now.
<Toki_Masa> A few months is a long way away for me.
<mzinz> nlogax, Milk skin in theme manager?
<rukuartic> Toki_Masa: If you wait a bout a month or two you'll be able to get Dapper Drake, and thats the cool one :) But yeah if you can't wait, you can probably get a pretty fast download
<rumpledrev> from http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/.......dapper created by bimberi on 22 Mar 2006 09:12
<rumpledrev> requested 0 times
<rumpledrev> <reply> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake. Currently this
<rumpledrev> is BETA software. Release date is June 1 - http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq. /join
<rumpledrev> #ubuntu+1 for discussion
<mrt> !antivirus
<ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mrt
<rukuartic> !paste
<ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
<rumpledrev> thnx
<nlogax> mzinz: I think I had to google for it
<mzinz> nlogax, ok, thanks
<nlogax> mzinz: it's not transparent or anything though - maybe you want to look at adesklets or gdesklets?
<Blippe> Kr4t05, servername:dir /mntpoint nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
<redguy> clamav
<redguy> darn
<Toki_Masa> ~200KB per second.
<mzinz> nlogax, whats the difference? gDesklets looked horrible to me..
<barktpolar> Will cleaning a CD Drive help Ubuntu's Live Version Go faster?
<Toki_Masa> Meh. I'll live with that, I guess.
<Blippe> Kr4t05, don't forget to export the nfs on the server too!
<nlogax> ok, adesklets are lighter weight than gdesklets (based on Python I think)
<rukuartic> barktpolar: Possibly. LiveCD's in general are very slow
<barktpolar> Yeah, But i thoguth it was going slower than ever
<rumpledrev> barktpolar, don't use toothpaste :)
<rukuartic> barktpolar: If you can make a small partition that it can use for scratch it'll make things go faster
<barktpolar> How small?
<Ads_> Can someone help? glxinfo says: Direct Rendering: No      << is that why I can't play games?
<jgl> does anyone here have experiance with winesetuptk ?
<jman_wp> Did anyone ever get vmware to work, last time I tried to install it, it wouldn't run?
<rukuartic> barktpolar: Not sure :P
<jadaz87> anyone know how i can hange the default maximum screen resolution that ubuntu has set for my screen?
<bimberi> Ads_: what kind of video card do you have?
<barktpolar> Anyone know?
<loxety> barktpolar, know what?
<Ads_> bimeri: it's a crappy integrated gfx chipsetp on my laptop by SiS however in windows I can play some basic games, like quake 2 etc but not un ubuntu
<loxety> barktpolar, umm it could
<Ads_> bimberi*
<barktpolar> How to make a small partition for the Live CD to go faster
<redguy> !tell mrt about antivirus
<mzinz> Whats the difference between aDesklets and gDesklets?
<simonpca> barktpolar: make a swap partition
<barktpolar> How do I do that?
<Hexidigital> !tell hexidigital about firefox
<loxety> barktpolar, cant you just load it into ram?
<bimberi> Ads_: kk, i'm not sure then, i was going to point you towards the binary-only drivers for ati or nvidia (if you'd said one of them)
<barktpolar> My RAM is just in there
<barktpolar> 128 MB
<rumpledrev> ah, that
<simonpca> barktpolar: using a software, like Qtparted
<Ads_> bimberi: thanks anyway dude
<jmorris> where is components directory for mozilla?
<bimberi> Ads_: np :)
<rumpledrev> more mem would be helpful
<nlogax> mzinz: adesklets are not based on GTK and use less memory (also there are fewer adesklets available)...  they look much like each other though
<loxety> barktpolar, get more ram ;)
<barktpolar> Nope
<barktpolar> Okay
<Toki_Masa> So how much in Ubuntu must you do in the command line console?
<mzinz> nlogax, so if im going for looks i probably want gDesklets
<purplefeltangel> does anyone know when would be a good time to order ShipIt CDs if i want Dapper?
<nlogax> mzinz: so if you don't like gdesklets you won't like adesklets
<redguy> Toki_Masa: depends on what you want to do :-)
<mzinz> nlogax, any clue how this guy got the apple-style bar? Hes in ubuntu: http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/images/contrib/louis_0.jpg
<barktpolar> purplefeltangel: probably not till June 1
<nlogax> mzinz: google for some screenshots of g & a Desklets
<rumpledrev> purplefeltangel, and then add 5 weeks
<Toki_Masa> Out of everything that you can possibly do, about what percentage can be done without the command line?
<nlogax> mzinz: yes, that's a standard aDesklet I think
<jmorris> hel;lo?
<Hexidigital> 15 %?
<barktpolar> Which is better, WinXP or Ubuntu?
<mzinz> nlogax, ah.
<nlogax> mzinz: I even set that up myself...  you have to hack the config file to make it all work
<Hexidigital> barktpolar, depends on what you use your computer for
<purplefeltangel> barktpolar and rumpledrew,  really?? :S i ordered CDs like, three days before Breezy was released, and I got my CDs 6 weeks later and it was Breezy
<jgl> anyone here know winesetuptk?
<simonpca> barktpolar: Ubuntu!
<simonpca> of course :)
<gnomefreak> who was looking for the 5.10 torrent?
<barktpolar> Fun, Internet, Gaming, Making Signatures and Avatars
<Hexidigital> barktpolar, i use my computer for college work, so ubuntu fits my needs... sometimes i play games like Civilization 4, which i have to boot into my winxp harddisk
<rukuartic> Toki_Masa: Very little :)
<mzinz> nlogax, i see
<rukuartic> Toki_Masa: But using the console can make things go so much quicker than with a GUI
* barktpolar i sstill at high school
<loxety> Toki_Masa, yeah not much
<rukuartic> Toki_Masa: Infact, if you know how to use the terminal well, you can access your computer from anywhere in the world (like I do)
<Hexidigital> barktpolar, i have to use winxp to print (drivers for my printer aren't available for linux)
<mzinz> nlogax, i can't find milk theme anywhere, it seems to be down on the one site i found
<gnomefreak> purplefeltangel: wait till late may early june seeing as they wont update the site till than anyway
<jadaz87> anyone know how i can change the resolution of my screen manually? ubuntu is only letting me go up to 1024x768
<loxety> what tool can I use to change my refresh on the fly?
<mrt> i lost my xp auth code thats why im here
<bimberi> !resolution
<ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
<Hexidigital> jadaz87, what size screen do you use?
<purplefeltangel> gnomefreak: are you sure??? :S:S:S:S:S:S:S that seems really strange . . . like i said, i ordered CDs 3 days before breezy was released and i still got breezy . . .
<loxety> jadaz87,  you could go into the xorg.conf and change it there
<DjMortal> #ubuntu-es
<loxety> !resolution
<gnomefreak> purplefeltangel: dapper wont be released till june 1
<purplefeltangel> gnomefreak: seriously?
<purplefeltangel> gnomefreak: i thought it was like, april
<jadaz87> loxety is there a way to test the changes before they are made permenant in the xorg.conf?
<loxety> bimberi, thanks!
<jbritz22> will we be able to update dapper right over breezy?
<gnomefreak> yes read the topic in ubuntu+1
<rukuartic> gnomefreak: Is dapper still buggy enough its not worth using or no?
<gnomefreak> purplefeltangel: it was delayed
<barktpolar> As in installing it by disk...
<jbritz22> ok
<bimberi> loxety: np :)
<gnomefreak> dapper talk #ubuntu+1 please
<loxety> jadaz87, I think so but dont know first hand
<purplefeltangel> gnomefreak: that is crap :[
<barktpolar> Got it
<jbritz22> Ok, so I got ubuntu installed, how do I install fluxbox now?
<jadaz87> loxety oh ok thanks anyway
<bimberi> yes, a "dist-upgrader" application to do it for you is being tested
<jadaz87> jbritz22 sudo apt-get install fluxbox
<barktpolar> jbritz22, try sudo apt-get install fluxbox
<jbritz22> ok
<loxety> jadaz87, just make a backup copy.. cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup or something like that
<nlogax> mzinz: http://www.muhri.net/gkrellm/
<jbritz22> this wont cause any problems with gnome or ubuntu?
<jbritz22> cause I installed KDE and it screwed my system up
<barktpolar> Nope, not that I know of
<jadaz87> loxety is there a list of standard resolutions somewhere?
<mrt> whats sudo?
<barktpolar> jbritz22, you needed kubuntu
<rukuartic> jadaz87: For your monitor?
<rukuartic> !sudo
<ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
<nlogax> jbritz22: are you pretty comfortable with CLI? and editing text files?
<loxety> jadaz87, check out !resolution
<rukuartic> mrt: Sudo lets you use super user commands
<Hexidigital> !root password
<ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
<jmorris1> how do i get into the mozilla components directory?
<jayg> 5hours messing about with ubuntu trying to get sound working, madness....
<jbritz22> nlogax, why.....? do I need to if I want to install fluxbox?
<loxety> jadaz87, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
<nlogax> jbritz22: not necessarily - you can use debian-menu to generate the Fluxbox menus
<loxety> thanks again to bimberi
<jadaz87> rukuartic yes like 800x600 1024x768 i do not know what they standard resolutions are after that
<nlogax> jbritz22: but if you don't use that you build your menu as a text file
<AngryElf> let's say, hypothetically i screwed up the UID on the one account I have on my box, so now i can't log in, or ssh in......it's ubuntu, so i can't directly log in as root, how on earth do i get into this box to fix this problem?
<bimberi> loxety: and don't forget ubotu :P
<jbritz22> nlogax, so apt-get install fluxbox woudnt work, id have to edit a bunch of stuff?
<nlogax> AngryElf: reboot and use Recover mode
<gnomefreak> jbritz22: think of fluxbox not having anything you start with very very clean de
<loxety> jadaz87, like 1280x1024 and 1600x1280
<jayg> anyone had problems with running audigy 4 in unbuntu, cos like hell i cant get it working, not even a beep
<jadaz87> loxety i see what you are talking about now on tha page :-)
<rukuartic> jadaz87: Oh, have you looked through wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StandardResolutions maybe
<AngryElf> nlogax like the recover kernel option?
<m0rbid> i've installed Ubuntu on my PowerBook G4 runs smoothly except for a few things. i've been trying to install pbbuttonsd and when i run ./configure it comes up with an error and says i need glib version greater than 2.0 so i went ahead and got the latest version of glib and while trying to compile it after i typed in ./configure it said i need to have gettext support in my C library or i can download it. so i went ahead and downloade
<jmorris1> hello?
* gnomefreak walking away for a sec
<jadaz87> hold on going to restart X
<rukuartic> hi jmorris1.
<jmorris1> rukuartic ok was making sure this was working :)
<nlogax> jbritz22: yes it should work.  make sure you install the package named menu
<nlogax> AngryElf: yep choose that option
<jbritz22> nlogax, what command would that be, apt-get install fluxbox....and?
<jmorris1> rukuartic i installed flash and it said to have the system admin to delete a .dat file but i cant find it
<nlogax> AngryElf: then either set a root passwd using the passwd command or fix your UID prob if you know how
<jmorris1> i did a search for file but its not there
<nlogax> jbritz22: sudo apt-get install fluxbox menu
<jmorris1> did i do something wrong or should i just leave it the way it is
<styllerone> yes
<loxety> whats the tool thats included in gnome that lets you change rez and refresh.. its usually sitting in the lower left?
<barktpolar> What's up styellerrone
<Hexidigital> loxety, now it's in System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
<styllerone> i'm cool man
<jbritz22> nlogax, just do apt-get install fluxbox by itself first though
* jayg thinks he may have to go back to winblows if he cant get sound working :/
<styllerone> excuse my english man
<ubuntu_> what's up bitches?
<jbritz22> nlogax, ?
<jmorris1> so you have no clue either huh?
<barktpolar> windows has too many bugs
<styllerone> so it's the first time
<nlogax> jbritz22: do them together like I put above
<loxety> Hexidigital, any ideas to its name?
<jayg> at least sound works in windows ;)
<jbritz22> nlogax, ok
<nlogax> jbritz22: you can put as many packages on the command line as you want
<Hexidigital> loxety, i'm not sure... hang on, lemme see if i can find out
<loxety> Hexidigital, I forgot what its called hehe
<jbritz22> why does amsn keep popping up with "joins conversation"
<Hexidigital> !screen resolution
<ubotu> Hexidigital: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<Hexidigital> loxety, no luck kiddo.. thought i'd be in the preferences part of the menu
<m0rbid> what's the command to install developer tools??
<tristanmike> !fixres
<ubotu> Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
<loxety> Hexidigital, thanks!
<PuMpErNiCkEl> m0rbid: sudo apt-get install build-essential ?
<bimberi> m0rbid: sudo apt-get install build-essential
<m0rbid> thanks
<jvai> hey all, can i convert this hoary workstation into a server? i'm about to get anothr thinkpad, & i didnt want to *un*utilize the old 1(this 1)
<styllerone> hello i would like to connact to msn using xchat, how ?
<aidan> wuz up
<Hexidigital> Stellerone, i dont know about XChat, but you can connect to MSN through Gaim
<Hexidigital> Styllerone, i dont know about XChat, but you can connect to MSN through Gaim
<bimberi> styllerone: i've not heard of xchat connecting to msn, yes use gaim
<m0rbid> trying to install glib and while running 'configure' it comes up with an error saying "you must have either have gettext support in your C library, or use the GNU gettext library." is there any way to add gettext support to my C library??
<jbritz22> nlogax, so I got that now, do I just restart and select fluxbox from the session manager?
<Hexidigital> there are so many cool programs with ubuntu... most of which i will never use! :)
<m0rbid> how do i add gettext support to my C library?
<brenner> m0rbid: why not just install glib from the lrepos?  and have you installed build-essential ?
<m0rbid> yes
<m0rbid> just did
<m0rbid> lrepos?
<brenner> s/lrepos/repos
<Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i verify if swap is working?
<Toki_Masa> I'm about 50% done downloading Ubuntu. Is this something that I can install when doing other things or does it require me to baby sit it?
<Hexidigital> Toki_masa, you only have to baby sit a little bit... overall , about a 25 minute install
<IdleOne> Toki_Masa, mostly does everything on its own
<Morfosomo> ho its just a main operating system install,. nothing too fancy really
<tristanmike> Toki_Masa, depending on how fast your computer is, it may take as little as 20 minutes
<IdleOne> you will need to set username and password and remove the cd when it tells you
<nasso> does anyone know if there is any consolebased applications i can use to limit bandwidth?
<Toki_Masa> So if I get up and leave, it will just wait for me at that step and everything?
<IdleOne> yup
<brenner> m0rbid: there are glib libraries in the ubuntu repositor.  why do the hard way of compiling it yourself?
<Hexidigital> toki_masa, yes
<jbritz22> nlogax, ?
<nasso> i want to set my upload/download-speeds to a maximum
<brenner> Toki_Masa: just make sure if you're on a laptop to run it on AC, not battery ;)
<m0rbid> brenner: i'm a total noob at this. how would i go about installing them from the repositor?
<Morfosomo> Toki_Masa, i havent seen an operating system install that dosent need you
<marsh> hi all...
<hurax> xorg runs with the vesa driver now
<jbritz22> Ok, I installed fluxbox using apt-get install fluxbox menu do I just restart and select it from the sessions dropdown meu to run it?
<Hexidigital> what does fluxbox do?
<IdleOne> jbritz22, log out and slect fluxbox.
<tristanmike> Toki_Masa, once the install starts, you can walk away until it wants you to reboot, then you reboot, and walk away again, but there is an inital setup, like set user name, password, location, where to install, but once it gets going you're good
<IdleOne> !tell Hexidigital about fluxbox
<bimberi> m0rbid: guessing a bit here, but there is a package called "gettext", you could try installing that
<ladofnod> i cant seem to get mp4 video to play. which plugin is needed?
<jbritz22> idleone,ok
<Hexidigital> thanks Idleone
<IdleOne> no problem
<brenner> m0rbid: 1st of all, there seem to be 2 packages: glib 1.2 and glib 2.0.  do you know which one you want?
<hurax> but gnome now won't start because i keep getting the messages of gnome-panel crashing, after which it reloads gnome-panel, which the crashes...
<m0rbid> brenner: 2.0
<marsh> Hexidigital, gets yr machine running a bit faster (it's lightweight - or was when i used it a while ago - makes loads of difference on a low spec machine...
<brenner> m0rbid: sys >admin>synaptic
<marsh> Hexidigital, but you gotta learn how to use it.... not too hard - but can be frustrating
<m0rbid> brenner: thanks
<Hexidigital> marsh, i guess i wont need it then... with 1.5 GB and 2.4 GHZ proc, it wont make much difference, will it?
<brenner> m0rbid: click on search and type in glib
<brenner> m0rbid: or if you're comfortable with cli.  just type sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-0
<IdleOne> Hexidigital, probably not much diff but you may want to try it just for a diff look and feel
<Hexidigital> idleone, thanks... i'll check it out
<IdleOne> !tell Hexidigital about xfce4
<IdleOne> !tell Hexidigital about xfce
<jbritz22> sweet its working
<Hexidigital> that one worked
<brenner> m0rbid: basically, before you try installing libraries from source (or anything for that matter), check if it's already in the ubuntu repositories.  it's a LOT easier
<michele> gam_server is still eating 30% of my cpu, does anybody know how to fix?
<juztin> how can i watch dvd's on my dvd-rom with ubuntu?
<marsh> Hexidigital, yeah - it probably still will make a difference - esp if yr pushing yr machine - try it ;) - it's a bit of fun to get into - and it's much more customisable (if you like that sort of thing) - you can make keyboard shortcuts for absolutely everything....
<m0rbid> brenner: wish i had known that a few days ago :/
<IdleOne> !dvd
<ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
<marsh> it's a good teacher too...
<signalvsnoise> anyone here have experience with a matrox g450 and framebuffered virtual terminals?
<brenner> m0rbid: is this your first distro?
<m0rbid> brenner: yeah
<cafuego> signalvsnoise: yes
<Hexidigital> marsh, the frustrating part is deterring me :)
<brenner> m0rbid: you'll get used to things :)
<cafuego> signalvsnoise: I used to run my consoles in 1024x768 with matroxfb.
<marsh> Hexidigital, frustrating is part of the learning process...
<chade> I've a Geforce FX5550, any ideas on how to get dual monitors working?
<Hexidigital> marsh, true true :)
<marsh> Hexidigital, you noob?
<Hexidigital> marsh, to computers, no.. to linux... sorta
<Hexidigital> and do irc, yes
<Hexidigital> :)
<Hexidigital> to irc*
<yamathan> Hey, uh, my panel now lacks a taskbar.
<mwe> what does this mean in human language: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/installwatch.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored ?
<yamathan> How can I fix that?  >_>;;
<cafuego> signalvsnoise: You need to specify that you want to run matroxfb on the kernel line in grub's config.
<marsh> Hexidigital,  I've been running linux for about 5 years & still havent got a box to work properly!!!
<brenner> m0rbid: you might want to enable the optional repository places while you're doing this: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
<Hexidigital> lol
<cafuego> mwe: Means installwatch is broken and checkinstall won't work.
<juztin> !dvd
<signalvsnoise> cafuego:  Did you ever get it to work with a different virtual terminal on each monitor?
<ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
<brenner> yamathan: right-click on the panel > add to panel > notification area
<cafuego> signalvsnoise: I never ran the console in dual-head mode.
<jadaz87> hey rukuartic i directly configured the xorg.conf file and restart my computer but 1024 x 768 is still the highest resolution i can get when i go to System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
<mwe> cafuego: :|
<marsh> Does anyone know if using dselect will remove dependant files when i uninstall an app?
<cafuego> signalvsnoise: I just use 'screen', much easier :-)
<Hexidigital> marsh, i lucked out with ubuntu.... i downloaded and installed it yesterday, then screwed it up with the firefox 1.5 installation instructions from the wiki site... so i reinstalled this morning, and right now i have everything wokring from my headset to my flash drive... ::knocks on wood::
<IdleOne> !tell jadaz87 about fixres
<jadaz87> idleone that is the problem i already did that
<rukuartic> jadaz87: What graphics card are you using?
<brenner> Hexidigital: did you try the ff1.5 install again?
<rukuartic> jadaz87: Linux might not have a driver that works efficiently with your computer
<Enthusiast78> Greetings! I'd like to get myself an old laptop for playing around with console applications only. What would be the very minimum requirements for a 'server' install that will only do irc, centericq, mp3blaster and perhaps links?
<marsh> Hexidigital, - dvd codecs? avi movies? mp3?
<Hexidigital> brenner, no... i'll wait until ubuntu releases it as an update
<jadaz87> idleone the screen resolution is changed in the xorg.conf file but not when i go to System>Prefernece>screen resolution
<signalvsnoise> cafuego:  the only documentation i can find for this sort of thing all seems horribly outdated
<michele> juztin: kaffeine, totem, xine can play dvds. libdvdcss needed if encrypted
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: A graphics card, MOBO, and a monitor
<yamathan> brenner, this is KDE.
<brenner> Hexidigital: it won't be, at least in breezy, iirc
<Hexidigital> marsh, dvd works, tried it out before.. i dont use mp3's for anything... it's a school computer mostly
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: You need nearly nothing
<yamathan> And for some reason it's not showing up.
<juztin> michele, thanks :)
<michele> nop
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: I mean how much RAM and CPU do I need?
<brenner> yamathan: ah. well, there's #kubuntu
<Hexidigital> brenner, i can wait... i only wanted to use it for some extensions, themes, etc
<IdleOne> jadaz87, I think rukuartic can help you more then I could
<chade> anyone? Dual monitors in Ubuntu?
<matthew_w> So, I've been looking and looking, and WINE is just flat out unreliable.  Is there any other way to run windows apps on my linux box?
<jadaz87> idleone rukuartic         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 330M/340M/350M (RS200 IGP)
<yamathan> Just a second.
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Ram? I don't know. 32 mb maybe, processor... guessing 200 mhz?
<marsh> <-needs help - wants to know if he can remove packages without leaving dependant 'bits' all over his system...
<IdleOne> matthew_w, cedega
<jadaz87> rukuartic which is a Radeon Mobility 9XXX
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: I was thinking about something like that... Thanks for confirming my thoughts. :)
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Can't run anything that will look cool though. You'll literally have nothing but a black window
<marsh> Hexidigital, what you running it on?
<chade> matthew_w: VMware
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: That's the coolest thing I need. ;)
<matthew_w> IdleOne; yeah, but it's my belief that if I have to pay for it, I might as well be using Windows.
<Rubin> whats the umbrella package for doing development?
<rukuartic> jadaz87: Looked around to see what you can find in wiki?
<IdleOne> Enthusiast78, Im running a P2 233mhz whith 92 mb ram xubuntu-desktop
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Yeah... Ubuntu works great for that. I can even reccomend some programs for console
<_jason> Rubin: build-essential
<Hexidigital> marsh, p4 2.4g, 1.5gb ram, 180gb hdd, home made system... dvd drive, cd burner, basics
<hope> hey room
<mzinz> I have an icon on my desktop, how can i find the path to the icon graphic file?
<IdleOne> matthew_w, yup thats the only draw back with cedega but it's a one time fee of $20 I believe
<jadaz87> rukuartic what is the address for the wiki?
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Like "NAIM" for AIM, "Irssi" for IRC, "mutt" for mail, and "w3m" or "lynx" for web browsing
<jadaz87> rukuartic wiki.ubuntu.com?
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: remember me?...well i have another question...im trying to enable repositories
<rukuartic> jadaz87: eyp
<rukuartic> !repositories
<ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
<marsh> Hexidigital, 's what i'm just trying to install on now - i think the pIII-800 was too slow for dvd etc...
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: when i try to install a program thing it says you must enable multiverse repositories
<matthew_w> IdleOne; what about that VMware or w/e, also, doesn't that have a "subscription"
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, follow that link just above
<michele> mizinz: right click properties click icon
<brenner> jadaz87: IdleOne sent you a wiki link. my guess is your monitor rates are wrong
<nasso> is there any way to limit the total bandwidthusage for the whole ubuntusystem?
<Enthusiast78> IdleOne, rukuartic: I won't even have Xorg installed. I'm thinking about irssi (using it right now) for IRC, CenterICQ for IM, mp3blaster for music and links2 for browsing...
<rukuartic> nasso: How do you mean?
<IdleOne> matthew_w, dont know about vmware
<yamathan> Not to be rude, but why does epiphany kind of such?
<yamathan> *suck, as it were.
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: so i click okay, except it tries downloading files (i saw that link already, ill get to that in a minute) and i have no internet, and i cant get internet until multiverse repositories are enabled
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: naim works great for AIM... :P console based
<crimsun> yamathan: opinion? I prefer epiphany-browser to firefox
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: so i use the guide on ubuntu.com....except i dont know how to save the changes
<Hexidigital> marsh, i have an american civil war dvd that i had to watch for one of my college classes... i had to do the sudo apt-get install xine-ui or something similar, but everything works fine for me right now
<b_e_n_z> yamathan, no it doesn't suck
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: Do you mean... AOL Instant Messenger?
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: If you want to change your TERM resolution, just add vga=XXX to your grub line
<yamathan> crimsun, really?
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Yep.
<IdleOne> Enthusiast78,  like I said my box is old and slow and Im running xubuntu so if your going to do just a server install you should be good
<yamathan> b_e_n_z, for me it's kind of slow.
<crimsun> yamathan: yes, it does what I need it to.
<JoeMorris> ubuntu cant cut the mustard
<rukuartic> IdleOne: Does server install come on the 5.10 CD?
<Hexidigital> marsh, i still have windoze installed on my secondary hard disk so i can print (printing is the only thing i can't do because no drivers for linux for my printer) and gaming, like civilization 4
<na7e> anyone know a program for doing lightscribe work?
<na7e> rukuartic, yes
<rukuartic> JoeMorris: You're right. It can cut the concrete! :O
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositorieshowto tells you how to do all that
<JoeMorris> still too complicated :P
<IdleOne> rukuartic, yup
<na7e> rukuartic, at the boot: prompt just type server
<JoeMorris> rukuartic:  It needs more work....... should be able to install automatically things without failing for instance
<rukuartic> na7e: Thanks :P I shoulda done that before
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: What do you recommend for M$N Mess-enger? I hate it, but just about everybody uses only that thing nowadays... :(
<nasso> rukuartic, i have a server that runs a few bittorrentclients. i seed alot. i dont want it to consume all my bandwidth though because i need to do other stuff with my connection as well
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: No clue...
<marsh> Hexidigital, yeah - printing's another one - and accounting software to keep the books for my business... :(
<mzinz> How can i get my home directory icon on my quicklaunch panel?
<Enthusiast78> IdleOne: Thanks, man. I think I'll be just fine with an ol' Pentium with 32Mb then. :)
<marsh> <- has to use windows... :(
<marsh> and hates it!!
<nasso> is there a was to limit the ul/dl speed for all instances of btdownloadcurses, for an example?
<na7e> rukuartic, if you hit the function keys (f1, f2, f3, etc...) at the boot prompt you can see what boot options there are
<rukuartic> That should be an option in your client nasso
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: so i use the guide on ubuntu.com....except i dont know how to save the changes...and the guide doesnt say that
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: I've heard CenterICQ has a plugin for M$N. I'll look for it...
<rukuartic> na7e: Yea I know that...
<JoeMorris> also linux needs to use stuff thats patented even though i agree patents ARE EVIL
<na7e> rukuartic, ok, just checkin :)
<Hexidigital> marsh, what kind of software do you use? can you create templates for openoffice ?
<JoeMorris> i would have a hybrid, all open source patents but just license the patent stuff
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne:
<na7e> soooooooooooo, anyone know a lightscribe burner program for linux?
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: oh wait nvmnd im talking about something else
<IdleOne> Enthusiast78, only thing is I have seen alot of ppl complain abotu server installs  ( things not working like they should ) but if you are comfortable with fixing stuff go for it
<marsh> Can anyone tell me about dselect/synaptic - I need some details?
<rukuartic> JoeMorris: Not quite... Patents are needed in some circumstances, or we'd be working for nothing... nobody'd get paid.
<nasso> rukuartic, yes. i can set an individual limit in every instance of the client i have running but i want to total limit for all instances
<redouane> hello
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: im talking about mounting floppy drives actually...in terminal i cant save the changes i make
<Aven_> hey
<marsh> hexi - no - havent tried....
<Hexidigital> afk... need food
<Aven_> how can I completly remove wine from my system?
<JoeMorris> rukuartic:  things shouldnt be patented in an ideal world
<rukuartic> nasso: I have no clue how you'd do that... its all client side.
<redouane> hello man how are you to day ??
<Hexidigital> marsh, what's that?
<rukuartic> Aven_: sudo apt-get remove wine
<marsh> why - can it do my books?
<Aven_> rukuartic: yeah, doesn't really work
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: you know how you told me about Penggy...well i used your sudo apt get code except it says penggy doesnt exist
<Aven_> I delete the windows drive manually
<marsh> Hexidigital, what? the synaptic?
<rukuartic> Aven_: Did you install wine with apt-get?
<redouane> if there is som body who can help me now plzzz
<Aven_> now it does not create it again when I reinstall
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, nope I dont sorry
<nasso> rukuartic, ok, ill just keep on searching then :) thanks
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: so those are my two main problems
<Aven_> rukuartic: yes
<_jason> redouane: just ask, if someone knows they will try :)
<rukuartic> good luck nasso
<Hexidigital> marsh, no, the template thing... you may be able to create templates in the OO version of excel
<JoeMorris> rukuartic:  but with easyubuntu i think it enables the patent stuff right?
<rukuartic> Aven_: dpgk -l | grep wine
<Siddhartha211> Yo anyone?.....I tried installing penggy by using sudo -apt get penggy except it says that doesnt exist...same thing for mplayer
<yamathan> Why are all of my repositories ass-backwards?
<rukuartic> Aven_: Find the name and then get rid of it ;)
<Aven_> you mean "dpkg" :P
<Enthusiast78> IdleOne: Sure, no real problem. I actually have a good time fixing stuff... I think I can't pass a single day without fixing something in my car or my computer... :D
<rukuartic> Aven_: Its probably something like wine-0.9.10-r3 or something
<rukuartic> Aven_: Ype :P
<yamathan> I haven't changed them since the last time I used Synaptic, but now it's screeching at me.
<marsh> Hexidigital, but that doesnt run double entry & all the other stuff I have with wuickbooks
<rukuartic> JoeMorris: Yep.
<Aven_> so what does that command do?
<jbritz22> can anyone help me with a problem im having in amsn?
<yamathan> <NOT FOUND ON LIST>
<marsh> *quickbooks
<brenner> Siddhartha211: you need to enable universe for penggy
<rukuartic> JoeMorris: Well it doesn't enable it, it downloads/installs it
<redouane> i need a help in gsm unlocking plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
<Hexidigital> marsh, i see what you mean... afk for a couple minutes
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, I think you should concentrate on the repos..follow the wiki step for step it is pretty much the easiest way and then move on to floppy mount
<Aven_> redouane: hint: ask
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: i have the tar.gz file of penggy....so i unpacked it...and then what do i do?
<marsh> Hexidigital, afk??
<brenner> Siddhartha211: and there are several  mplayer packages, none of them called just mplayer.  use search
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: i DID do that but i dont know how to save my changes
<rukuartic> redouane: putting lots of zzzzzz's in your request line wont' help. State your question fully, describe everything.
<Hexidigital> marsh, away from keyboard
<disposable> when i do "ssh -X -l user machine" and run xmms, i get "**CRITICAL"": Unable to open display    what do i need to do to overcome this?
<marsh> cool...
<redouane> ok i need a software to unlocking thomson tn 110
<Siddhartha211> brenner: i did enable multiverse repositories is that what youre talking about?
<marsh> enjoy, Hexidigital
<Hexidigital> lunch tme
<Hexidigital> time
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, dpkg - i filename.deb in terminal
<Enthusiast78> Hmmm... Ant suggestion for a particular 'classic' laptop brand/model?
* Enthusiast78 meant 'Any', sorry.
<jadaz87> brenner the problem is that the 'sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange' command does not work and i have a laptop and i do not know who makes the screen
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: its a tar.gz file...
<IdleOne> !tell Siddhartha211 about tar
<nasso> rukuartic, maybe there is a way to limit the bandwith use on certain ports? :)
<marsh> does plzzzzzzzz... work??? I need help with dselect/synaptic: how do i remove unused modules that were installed as dependents?
<Siddhartha211> man tar
<jbritz22> anyone know how to make it in AMSN so it doesnt open up a freaking chat window everytime someone "joins conversation"
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, man tar in terminal
<rukuartic> nasso: Might be on your firewall. Did you go to the client website and ask for help there? :P Might have more luck.
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: i was sucessfully able to unpackage it...but what do i do after that?
<ruggy> anyone here use the sprint ev-do access?
<skizzot> when i load ubuntu i get a bunch of colored stripes and blotches
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: ubotu is telling me how to unpackage it
<Howdy125> Yeah .. use Kopete
<marsh> how do i remove unused modules that were installed as dependents of installed packages???
<rukuartic> disposable: ssh is a terminal emulator, no Xorg. You can't run XMMS over a ssh client.
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, in terminal window you type : sudo apt-get install penggy and forget about that tar.gz file
<brenner> jadaz87: i see.  run the reconfigure script.  when you get to the monitor config, you need to  at least choose the middle option in the menu (chooses the max res) iirc
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: i did do that except it says penggy doesnt exist
<rukuartic> disposable: You'd have better luck with VNC, but you won't get sound...
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, but you ABSOLUTELY NEED to enable repos
<skizzot> Howdy125 where you talking to me
<Siddhartha211> IdleOne: and i did enable repositories
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, apperently you didnt
<brenner> Siddhartha211: you said multiverse, what about universe?
<marsh> anyone???
<rukuartic> Siddhartha211: Give us your repos list. :P
<Siddhartha211> brenner: no i didnt enable universe how do i do that?
<brenner> Siddhartha211: pastebin /etc/apt/soureces.list
<Mabus06> What is the chmod number I should set my files in /var/www (to be viewed by others, at the moment users get a 'restricted access' message) I don't want my webserver to be able to be changed by users, as I often have my ssh port open and let others in. Any help?
<_jason> Siddhartha211: take us to your repos
<Siddhartha211> rukuartic: how do i do that...you mean list the Badger and all that
<skizzot> when i load ubuntu i get a bunch of colored stripes and blotches can some help me
<Siddhartha211> you mean list the Ubuntu Badger and all that?
<rukuartic> Mabus06: 755, thats rwxr-xr-x
<disposable> rukuartic: well, it works from one machine, just not from the other :)
<marsh> anyone???
<marsh> how do i remove unused modules that were installed as dependents of installed packages???
<rukuartic> Mabus06: lets them read and execute (if necessary) for owner and group, but not others
<Siddhartha211> _jason: you mean list Ubuntu Badeger 5.1 and all those kinds of stuff?
<Siddhartha211> _jason: the stuff from synaptic
<_jason> Siddhartha211: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list, and then copy and paste it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ , then give us a link
<rukuartic> disposable: O-o;; what?
<juztin> how do i install packages of type .deb ?
<nasso> rukuartic, i use a hardware firewall,a router. not really a clientrelated problem. i just want to limit the bandwith for my entire server :)
<brenner> juztin: what is it?
<Siddhartha211> _jason: do i enter that thing in the terminal?
<disposable> rukuartic: that's what the -X switch is for
<kfirb> anyone can help with bchunk?? I may be using it for the wrong thing... I have two matching .cue and .bin files, and I want to convert them to one .iso file... any help?
<juztin> brenner, libdvdcss2_1.2.9-0.0ubutu0_i386.deb
<_jason> Siddhartha211: applications > accessories > terminal: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
<nasso> rukuartic, or like, give all bittorrentclinents 80kb/sec and the rest to apache :)
<Chivas> can someone tell me where xinetd is started from ? i neet to add the -inetd_compat argument to it, but i dont know where its started from
<brenner> juztin: sudo dpkg -i <debfile>
<rukuartic> nasso: No clue mate...
<nasso> guess i should change client instead so i dont need to have multiple clients ;)
<juztin> brenner, thanks ;)
<Enthusiast78> What's the command to change the system language... Again?! (PLEASE)
<nasso> ok, thanks anyway
<skizzot> when i load ubuntu i get a bunch of colored stripes and blotches can some help me
<Aven_> gah
<brenner> juztin: just remember to check if it's already in the repos.  that's why i asked
<CarlFK> how can I boot the LiveCD to just a  prompt (no X)
<ipfw> !source-o-matic
<ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
<mzinz> I have an icon on my desktop, how can i find where the actual 'icon' is stored?
<juztin> brenner, it's not...thats why i had to download it...but good lookin out :)
<Chivas> carl_m:  linux 2      , at the prompt when it just boots
<Aven_> wine keeps giving the following error when install a windows program:
<Aven_> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible.
<Aven_> Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system" is not accessible.
<rukuartic> mzinz: its /home/yourusername/Desktop
<rukuartic> mzinz: If its a shortcut, you can type in "ls -la ~/Desktop" and it should come up with something like
<mzinz> rukuartic, no i mean the graphical icon file
<skizzot> when i load ubuntu i get a bunch of colored stripes and blotches can some help me
<IdleOne> Aven_, what command is giving that error?
<marky> Hey all
<Aven_> IdleOne: 'wine'
<rukuartic> mzinz: shortcut > /file/path/directory/lol
<CarlFK> Chivas: thanks
<rukuartic> mzinz: Oh the image you mean? Er... Right click and hit properties, that might tell you some stuff.
<Joetheodd> !tell Aven_ about wine
<IdleOne> Aven_, wine is a program.
<rukuartic> IdleOne: Not an emulator :)
<marky> lol
<brenner> ubotu: tell skizzot about xorg
<mzinz> rukuartic, nope :(
<IdleOne> Aven_,  what command did you enter?
<Aven_>  wine
<IdleOne> rukuartic, lol
<michele> mzinz: left click on the icon image in the properties windon
<Aven_> wine ~/file.exe
<michele> window
<yamathan> Adept is taking a VERY long time to download all the headers.
<rukuartic> mzinz: try looking to change the icon itself... (not in gnome, can't help too much)
<jadaz87> brenner so after i do ctrl+alt+backspace and it comes up to the console how do i restart xserver?
<yamathan> I wonder if there's something wrong.
<Aven_> wine is the command :P
<kbrooks> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4831374.stm: delay odf vista might be good for linux
<rukuartic> yamathan: Thats cuz they're big.
<Aven_> wine is the command for the program wine :p
<rukuartic> kbrooks: A delay of anything windows is good for everyone.
<IdleOne> Aven_, ok. wine program.exe to start/install the program
<brenner> jadaz87: it should start gnome again automaticaly, if it doesn't, just login and type 'startx'
<rukuartic> kbrooks: except security patches.
<tristanmike> kbrooks, page not found
<rukuartic> brenner: Unless he's using an unsupported gfx. card
<jadaz87> ok
<na7e> ok, there is NO lightscribe program for linux yet
<na7e> to let everyone know
<kbrooks> tristanmike, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4831374.stm repasting
<Aven_> IdleOne: I did and that's the error it gave
<marky> anybody cracked a wep code in ubuntu?
<brenner> rukuartic: is it?
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Oh yea, by the way--make sure you learn SCREEN
<rukuartic> brenner: Don't know :P
<na7e> marky, why bother?
<Aven_> either way, I'm currently installing the updated version
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Most useful commandline tool ever.
<kfirb> how can I see the contents of a .bin image in ununtu ???
<marky> wanted to see if my network is safe
<tristanmike> kbrooks, thank you
<marky> na7e just wondered if it was possible
<IdleOne> Aven_, issue the command from the dir the .exe is in so if on Desktop cd Desktop first then do the wine command
<rukuartic> marky: Where do you live?
<marky> norfolk england
<rukuartic> marky: What type of environment? Busy City? or quite residence
<michele>  mzinz: /usr/share/icons
<rukuartic> *quiet
<marky> block of flats
<na7e> marky, with WEP it's pretty much always possible, but unless you live in a city or dorm or something you really don't have to worry
<mrt> where do i find nautillus to burn a cd? breezy 510
<Aven_> IdleOne: ah
<CryoTox> I can't get my webcam to work, everytime I run a program to use the cam My pc freezes and crashes. When I try to run /dev/video0 i get an error, any suggestions?
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: Damn right! I LOOOOVE screen! I'm using it right now btw, it even fixes this non-English terminal so I can use irssi! :)
<rukuartic> marky: What na7e said. Just turn off your broadcast flag, enable MAC filtering and thats all you can do...
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Haha
<Aven_> IdleOne: ah, works, thanks :)
<marky> there are alot of networks and people with laptops, i already spotted a few foreign mac addy in the logs
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: I <3 Screen.
<Toki_Masa> Nice...my download is finished. So I just burn the ISO and then what?
<CarlFK> Chivas: have you done this on the dapper live cd?
<IdleOne> Aven_, no problem and from now on to run that same program it will be the same comand :)
<marky> i got it mac locked
<na7e> marky, ideally though WPA2 with the longest key possible (256 bit?) is for all intents and purposes impossible to crack.  They could crack it but it would take centuries, which would render the info useless.
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Try looking for "naim" and "gamp" though, good programs. TOP's a good replacement for a system monitor.
<kfirb> how can I see the contents of a .bin image in ununtu ???
<jayg> anyone got any advice on how to get sound in breezy with audigy 4? before i just give up and go back to xp
<Howdy125> CryoTox,  you using breazy ??
<rukuartic> kfirb: Try "less yourfile.bin"
<rukuartic> kfirb: Its nasty though
<marky> the other day ki figured out a way  to beat mac locked routers
<CryoTox> Howdy125: I am
<na7e> marky, spoof the MAC
<marky> i spoofed as a ap
<marky> yup
<na7e> marky, or poison their ARP table
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: I think top was the very first UI program I ever used in Linux. I'll look for naim and gamps!
<kfirb> rukuartic: it's supposed to be an image file of a CD
<na7e> marky, I think that might work
<Siddhartha211> _jason: im using the internet from a widnows computer.....im burning the saved sources.list to cd and bringing it to this computer
<marky> then the laptop joined to this machine, then i changed this mac to the one found
<Aven_> heh, a program said "not enough space for the directory" :P
<mrt> where do i find nautillus to burn a cd? breezy
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: You should be able to apt-get naim... don't know about "gamp". You need mpg123 for gamp though
<Siddhartha211> _jason: you there?
<na7e> marky, man in the middle attack at it's finest
<Howdy125> CryoTox, That seems to be fixed in dapper ..
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: Raxor-X in #ubuntuofftopic is a huge console person, me too :)
<shrewduser> any idea why i can't get my resolution past 1024*768???
<CryoTox> Howdy125: Thats out in what, June?
<marky> i'm more worreid about people capturing packets and doing the wep code
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: So gamp is a music player, huh?! Do you think it's better than this mp3blaster I'm using?
<na7e> shrewduser, check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<rukuartic> Enthusiast78: I don't know, never used it. Moc's supposed to be good too (music on console)
<brenner> ubotu: tell shrewduser about fixres
<_jason> Siddhartha211: I am now
<Siddhartha211> shrewduser: because your monitor is so low end its not compatible with higher resolutions
<CryoTox> Howdy125: So I'm SOL until then?
<Howdy125> CryoTox,  you can get it now it's just not the final ..
<Siddhartha211> _jason: so hold up one second im getting the sources.list file
<CryoTox> Bleh...
<chrisbudden14> Has anyone been having trouble with their speech marks and apostrophes?
<marky> how long does it take to crack a 128wep
<_jason> Siddhartha211: np, take your time
<CryoTox> Fsck
<shrewduser> what are you talking about? low end.... it's a 21 inch trinitron
<Cooner750> Why will Ubuntu not let me access hda2? It says I do not have permission to read
<NickGarvey> marky: depends on how many people are on the network
<jadaz87> brenner i tried your middle option and restart x went to Sys>PRef> Screen Res and i am still at 1024x768 as a maximum
<na7e> marky, first, you can set up a program (it's either kismet or netstumbler) to pick up when people are sniffing packets (sounds impossible, but it works)
<redguy> marky: depends on a lot of things
<jayg> anyone got any audigy experience with breezy?
<marky> there is 3 wireless laptops and 8 hardwired machines in my network
<crimsun> jayg: sure
<jayg> ahhh good lol
<brenner> jadaz87: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<na7e> marky, i've hearn of it done in 10 minutes doing a variety of packet generation techniques
<jayg> cos i been at it for about 6 hours, and still not a beep out of the speakers
<brenner> shrewduser: see the wiki link ubotu sent you
<rukuartic> marky: Far too long. Why are you so paranoid? :P
<marky> :O holy crap 10 minutes
<Siddhartha211> _jason: why is it so difficult to install things on ubuntu....they should make it plug and play for floppy disks and double click and install for programs
<jayg> very close to giving up now, but i like ubuntu
<rukuartic> Siddhartha211: Thats what apt-get's for :)
<na7e> marky, yeah, it's pretty easy if you can generate the appropriate traffic
<marky> because when i 'm downloading millions of packets must fly though the air
<_jason> Siddhartha211: I think synaptic is easier than download from internet and double click on windows
<shrewduser> brenner ubotu sent me nothing :(
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, thats the windows way and we all know how well that works
<marky> like 1 gig downloads
<crimsun> jayg: pastebin the following: lspci -v && lspci -nv && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer -c0
<na7e> marky, your best bet is WPA2 with the highest encryption
<Enthusiast78> rukuartic: Do you know of any console-related user group?
<Chivas> what starts the xinetd ? i need to pass arguments to it
<brenner> shrewduser: you're not registered/id'ed then.  here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
<jayg> pastebin? your talking to a major newbie here mate lol
<_jason> Siddhartha211: do you have internet access on your ubuntu machine?
<shrewduser> brenner: thanks...
<Cooner750> anyone?
<jayg> oh u mean paste that into terminal?
<_jason> !pastebin
<na7e> marky, it's more than just the number of packets, it's the type of packets thats important.  check out wpasupplicant for using wpa2 in ubuntu
<Siddhartha211> _jason: no, thats why im enablign the repository stuff...so i can install penggy and get access to the internet from there
<ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
<Toki_Masa> My ubuntu disk is finished.
<Toki_Masa> So what do I do to install it?
<marky> na7e ok thanks
<cafuego> marky: If you're worried about security, you need to open the access point (speed) and run ipsec on that networks egment.
<_jason> Siddhartha211: the repositories are online.  You won't be able to use them without access to the internet
<jayg> what do i do with that tho?
<brenner> Toki_Masa: put it in and reboot, making sure you enabled boot from CD
<brenner> *in BIOS
<Toki_Masa> Yeah, I boot from the CD first.
<jayg> sorry for being a bit thick :)
<mrt> where do i find nautillus to burn a cd? breezy
<Toki_Masa> It goes CD, floppy, HDD I think. I know CD is first.
<rukuartic> mrt: your question makes no sense man..
<_jason> mrt: nautilus is the name of the file browser
<me_> Can Anyone tell me where I need to go in ubuntu to configure which programs and daemons load at start?  I want to turn some of them off.  Is there a way to go this in the GUI?
<rukuartic> me_: Try using sysvconfig
<imc_> Anyone using EVDO with a verizon 5470 card? I;m having problems and wanna talk connect scripts
<imc_> s/5470/5740
<me_> rukuartic, that command does not work
<AngryElf> is moving one users settings to another user's settings as simple as moving their home directory and reasigning ownership/permissions??
<crimsun> jayg: execute that long command I gave you
<marsh> There's a command to configure my drivers/graphics settings etc... Anyone know what it is??? I thought it was dpkg-something - but cant seem to find any references.
<crimsun> jayg: take the output, paste it onto the pastebin Web site, then tell me the url
<pirogoth> AngryElf:  Yes, I believe so.
<brenner> ubotu: tell marsh about xorg
<jayg> ohhhh i see now, ok give me a bit, really new to this :)
<mrt> oh right click file
<Enthusiast78> AngryElf: Make sure you also delete /tmp user stuff and ICE stuff...
<marsh> thanks brenner
<rukuartic> me_: you have to install it :p sudo apt-get install sysvconfig
<jbritz22> whats the fastest webbrowser for linux, besides the text-only one?
<rukuartic> me_: webmin works pretty well too if you like less of a console view
<NickGarvey> jbritz22: I suggest dillo
<fit4lfe> need help with vnc
<Howdy125> jbritz22, IE in Wine .. second is Seamonkey ..
<fit4lfe> somthing about wrong font path
<Siddhartha211> _jason: im sticking in a total blank CDRW and it says "insert a cd with at least 1 mb of free space"
<jbritz22> Seamonkey or Dillo....?
<AngryElf> Enthusiast78, what is ICE stuff?
<fit4lfe> can someone help
<hav0k> hey, has anyone updated gDesklets to 35.3?
<Hexidigital> do i have to add the -ui tag at the end to install the GUI for wine?
<gideon_> Hi there folks, anyone have any familiarity with ussing vnc client to access a remote computer via ssh ?
<AngryElf> Enthusiast78, and what's all that /tmp stuff, can i just delete it all
<AngryElf> ??
<Toki_Masa> I have a partitioned HDD with Windows on one partition and the other unformatted.
<_jason> Siddhartha211: no idea about that, maybe someone else can help you there
<Toki_Masa> Is it possible to lose anything in my Windows partition when I install Ubuntu?
<jayg> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1059
<jayg> there we go, i think i did it right lol
<Hexidigital> !wine
<_jason> Toki_Masa: possible, but it won't happen if you don't tell it to
<Xenguy> gideon_: there's a good 'x11vnc over ssh' HOWTO around somewhere
<Toki_Masa> Should I back up my most recent documents and changes to a CD?
<IdleOne> !teel Toki_Masa about dualboot
<ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, IdleOne
<Toki_Masa> I am dualbooting.
<jayg> its all a load of gobblygook to me :)
<IdleOne> !tell Toki_Masa about dualboot
<hav0k> Toki_Masa, i did that and didnt lose anything, but it's a good idea to back up stuff
<Kr4t05> Toki_Masa, not if you use the right partition when you install.
<gideon_> Toki_Masa: Im a newbie, but that answer is easy, BACKUP ! :)
<fit4lfe> !vnc
<ubotu> I heard vnc is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html
<Enthusiast78> AngryElf: ICE stuff are all those files/directories starting with .ICE in the user home directory.
<ipfw> tightvnc rocks
<hav0k> Toki_Masa, I dualboot too
<Toki_Masa> OK...also, where do I tell my PC that I'm dualbooting? In Windows, Linux, or BIOS?
<hav0k> though i havent used windows in months
<fit4lfe> having trouble with tightvnc
<hav0k> are you doing ubuntu?
<fit4lfe> can you help
<Toki_Masa> Me? Yes.
<Enthusiast78> AngryElf: /tmp stuff can be deleted safely if the user is not logged in X and you delete only his stuff... Usually they can only delete their own stuff, anyway! ;)
<Siddhartha211> _jason: great, now i wasted a perfectly good CD-R
<hav0k> alright Toki_Masa, when you go into the installation, it will have you choose the partition
<fit4lfe> can I show you the error
<_jason> Siddhartha211: ?
<gideon_> Xenguy: i have read a guide and i need some specific advice in the use of the client which is default in 10.5 badger, the gnome vnc client
<jbritz22> is seamonkey faster than firefox, not just rendering pages....startup time and general use
<Toki_Masa> OK. What formats can it save in and which one is recommended?
<brenner> Toki_Masa: IdleOne has sent you a good link
<Siddhartha211> _jason: because CD-RW didnt work, i had to waste a CD-R on one little text document
<kbrooks> um, is thereea "how to sell ubuntu" thing? where sell doesnt mean money
<Toki_Masa> Ah. I see. Thanks.
<cyphase> what do you know..
<Xenguy> gideon_: dunno, I use tightvncviewer here
<_jason> Siddhartha211: you should get a usb key, they are useful for that sort of stuff
<Siddhartha211> _jason: i posted it, my name is Siddhartha Gandhi
<cyphase> MS is pushing back Vista to Jan 2007
<hav0k> Toki_Masa, i use ext3
<cyphase> the consumer version at least
<cyphase> or so they say
<kbrooks> cyphase, push backs are INSANE
<boo_> hey
<boo_> where can i configure GRUB
<_jason> Siddhartha211: you are trying to enable multiverse, correct?
<hav0k> Toki_Masa, i think you can use fat 32 maybe, but i dont know about that...
<kbrooks> VISTA PUSH BACK TO 2007: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4831374.stm
<IdleOne> !tell boo_ about grub
<NeverDream> how can I start an xterm on display :1? I tried 'xterm -display :1' but it keeps telling me it's not open, but if I switch to tty8, I can see that X is started there...
<chuckyp> boo_, /boot/grub/menu.1st
<Toki_Masa> I heard some other good things about ext3. I guess I'll use that.
<Siddhartha211> yes, and i want to also enable anything else that i will need in order to install penggy, mplayer, and any other program
<cyphase> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4831374.stm
<NeverDream> s/it's not open/it can't open it/'
<gideon_> is that pretty easy to use? maybe i will install it now if you can give some assitance in connecting. basicly i was reading a guide but some of the fields didnt match what was described, so i didnt know what to put in. pretty generic questions really, maybe u might even know the answer already ?
<hav0k> Toki_Masa, yeah, i think its the default they give you... i mean you can change it at installation, but id stick with it
<chuckyp> Toki_Masa, you can use fat32 between windows and linux with out a problem.
<hav0k> yeah
<Toki_Masa> Windows is NTFS...
<hav0k> i used it for my external
<hav0k> yeah
<Toki_Masa> But as long as I can read files from Windows into Linux, I'll be fine.
<chuckyp> NeverDream, you want display 1 or workspace 1?
<NeverDream> chuckyp, display :1
<hav0k> yeah, you can do that with ext3
<Siddhartha211> _jason: so...?
<chuckyp> Toki_Masa, what is your ultimate goal?
<chuckyp> Toki_Masa, to be able to write to the windows drive?
<Toki_Masa> No.
<NeverDream> chuckyp, I opened display 1, but it has nothing running on it, and I can switch to tty8 and see it
<hav0k> ohhh, good
<Toki_Masa> I just need to be able to read from it.
<_jason> Siddhartha211: ok a few things: 1) in a terminal do: gksudo 'gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' 2) delete lines 39 and 41 and save.  3) When taht is done, issue the command 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal 4) I think you may have missed my comment above, to use the repositories you need your ubuntu computer to have internet access
<chuckyp> Toki_Masa, to share data between the too?
<NeverDream> I'm on display :0 right now
<chuckyp> Toki_Masa, oh well you can read from anything.
<boo_> Another thing, I had installed windows after ubuntu, so ubuntu was unbootable, so i install some boot loader, and it fucks everything up, cant boot anything. so i reinstall ubuntu, and go to the windows loader, but it wont boot =/  any suggestions on what to do?
<Toki_Masa> Yeah.
<hav0k> yeah, thats exactly how ive got mine set up... i can read from my windows
<chuckyp> NeverDream, do you have a display 1?
<NickGarvey> /close window
<NeverDream> chuckyp, yeah, I can see it at least
<NickGarvey> /window close
<Toki_Masa> If anything, I'll just be copying files between the two for coding and testing purposes.
<gideon_> vnc question: the guide i read refers to "sourse port" and "destination" but the client i am using, doesnt seem to have these fields, it does have "domain" and "client hostname" any idea?
<NickGarvey> or not heh sorry about that
<Hexidigital> anyone here know how to get into Gamespy lobbies using IRC?
<Toki_Masa> I won't be writing to the Windows file from Linux or the Ubuntu file from Windows.
<NeverDream> chuckyp, I did 'X :1' and it's visible on tty8
<IdleOne> _jason, he need help compiling penggy AOL dialup utility thingy for linux
<Siddhartha211> _jason: WHAAAAATT??????.....then my whole system is screwed over because i cant get internet access without penggy...and penggy is my internet
<Siddhartha211> _jason: i meant AOL is my internet
<_jason> Siddhartha211: one addition to the instructions for editing the file: remove all the single # from the start of lines that begin with the word ``deb''
<NeverDream> chuckyp, when I try to open in xterm there, I get 'xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1'
<chuckyp> Toki_Masa, well if you had your windows partition in fat32 and you can convert from ntfs from within xp.  Its part of the aministrative tools>disk management.  You would then be able to read and write to your windows drive from nix.  And there are applications which allow you to read your linux drive in windows.
<Siddhartha211> _jason: and penggy requires repostiores stuff in order to install
<Siddhartha211> _jason: i cant connect to the internet what do i do?
<Kr4t05> Pardon my noobiness, but what does this mean: "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory?"
<Siddhartha211> _jason: i have the tar.gz file of penggy...how do i install?
<crimsun> jayg: the first thing you need to do now is execute ``sudo update-pciids'' in a Terminal
<jadaz87> brenner http://pastebin.com/615340
<jayg> ok thanks, i'll try to stay up :)
<chuckyp> NeverDream, hrm... wouldnt' you need two instances of x running to have display 1 & 0?
<_jason> Siddhartha211: you can get the deb package from packages.ubuntu.com.  You have to get the dependencies too
<brenner> jadaz87: will brb. have to grab my charger
<Siddhartha211> after extracting .tar.gz files, how do i install them?!!!!!!
<michael> Kr4t05, it means you don't have those dependencies installed
<jadaz87> oh ok
<Hexidigital> anyone here connected through a USB cable modem?
<chuckyp> NeverDream, I dunno perhaps some one else will no more.
<kfirb> hi there all, is there a normal way to watch a cd-iso which is .bin/.cue file under ununtu ?
<chuckyp> !tell Hexidigital about anyone
<IdleOne> Kr4t05, apt-cache search libstdc++ and install the one with -dev
<occ|quad> does anybody know of a program to mount virtual cd's in linux (iso's)?
<Hexidigital> thanks chuckyp
<jayg> crimson: ok done
<Healot> ambit cable modem?
<chuckyp> kfirb, what do you mean watch an iso?  its not a media file
<jadaz87> !tell kfirb about vlc
<crimsun> jayg: now re-pastebin
<Siddhartha211> _jason: to enable a floppy drive, i have to go into some thing and delete some stuff and add some stuff....once im dont with all that (in terminal) how do i save?
<_jason> Siddhartha211: I am going to give you some commands, I want you to tell me what they say.  Ready?
<jayg> of what it downloaded in the terminal?
<crimsun> jayg: no, that long command
<_jason> Siddhartha211: I don't know anything about floppies.  Let's get you penggy first
<chuckyp> Siddhartha211, what editor are you using?
<jayg> ohhh got you
<jayg> ok
<hav0k> i downloaded gDesklets-0.35.3.tar.bz2 and i want to know how to install it.
<Hexidigital> can i connect through my USB linksys cable modem?
<Siddhartha211> chuckyp: im using default Terminal as my editor
<Siddhartha211> _jason: ready
<marsh> brenner - mind if i ask you a couple of questions?
<bimberi> !tell occ|quad about mountiso
<crimsun> hav0k: do the repo's gdesklets not suffice?
<chuckyp> Siddhartha211, well thats a trick
<thugren> Hey
<mzinz> I've got an icon on my desktop/menu... Where can i find the image for the icon?
<IdleOne> hav0k, sudo apt-get install gdesklets
<carsonc> Is there any reason why X would ignore my .Xdefaults file?  All I'm trying to do is set the XTerm*background resource to black instead of the default white
<hav0k> crimsun, well, they came out with a newer one than i have
<_jason> Siddhartha211: apt-cache policy guile-1.6-libs | grep -i InInstalled
<thugren> So how is everyone doing?
<boo_> !tell boo_ about screen resolution
<Hexidigital> !desklets
<ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hexidigital
<crimsun> hav0k: then you need to ``sudo apt-get build-dep gdesklets''
<rukuartic> carsonc: you could just alias xterm to "xterm -fg white -bg black
<boo_> =/ whats the help thing for screen res.
<_jason> Siddhartha211: that's a typo... try: apt-cache policy guile-1.6-libs | grep -i Installed
<Hexidigital> !fixres
<ubotu> Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
<jbritz22> !gamma
<ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jbritz22
<gideon_> can anyone give advice on establishinng a vnc connection via ssh? i have the server configured and could use some help on the client end.
<brenner> marsh: sure
<Hexidigital> !tell boo_ about fixres
<jayg> crimson: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10600
<carsonc> rukuartic: Yeah, that's true, but if X isn't checking the resource file, that's just weird
<jayg> ok thats it i think
<hav0k> crimsun, it says it was Unable to find a source package for gdesklets
<jbritz22> anyone have any small gamma djustment uts for ubuntu?
<jayg> yep positive
<cafuego> gideon_: ssh -C -X vncserver-host; vncviewer :SERVERNUM
<AngryElf> hey all, when starting up Xsession i keep getting this error: unable to create ~/.gnome2 directory: permission denied
<Hexidigital> !usb cable modem
<ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hexidigital
<chade> I'm attempting to set up dual monitors, and I'm editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf  how do i figure out what the Identifier of my second screen should be?
<Siddhartha211> _jason: one moment
<crimsun> hav0k: so enable the deb-src repos
<kfirb> chuckyp:  my problem is that I would like to browse it's files...
<hav0k> and when i do apt-get install gdesklets, it says i have the news version
<nickrud> jbritz22, xgamma
<jayg> god knows how you understand all this stuff lol
<NeverDream> aha, I got it
<NeverDream> :)
<crimsun> hav0k: not to mention that gdesklets is in universe, so universe has to be enabled
<jbritz22> nickrud, how do I use xgamma?
<jbritz22> nickrud, does it have a gui?
<Croperz> !tell Croperz how to pleasure a woman
<hav0k> crimsun, im pretty sure i have all the repos enabled
<kfirb> jadaz87: I would like to convert it maybe to .iso in order to mount it afterwards... this is what I meant by watch
<Hexidigital> Croperz, you need some help there?
<nickrud> jbritz22, on the command line , xgamma #  1.0 is no convert, + is brighter
<AngryElf> could somebody tell me what the default home directory permissions are??
<gideon_> cafuego: thxs. im really newbie, would u be willing to elaborate on ur command line advice ?
<hav0k> ive got universe and multiverse
<cafuego> gideon_: it logs you in to the box that runs vncserver with X forwarding enabled, so if you run vncviewer there, it will display in X as per usual, tunneled securely through ssh.
<Croperz> Hexidigital: ubotu seems to think it is taboo, so i'll leave it there
<Healot> jbritz22, you can configure xgamma using "kgamma" in KDE
<kfirb> what's the linux equivalent of something like isobuster ?
<Hexidigital> lol croperz
<Croperz> mount
<mzinz> how do i display ONLY folders inside a directory, for instance, if i want to only see what folders are in my /usr/bin/
<nickrud> jbritz22, and there's a simple gtk2 python app on the web called gammapage
<Croperz> oh, cancel that
<Xenguy> mzinz: at a command prompt?
<mzinz> Xenguy, yeah
<jbritz22> nickrud, sweet
<Xenguy> mzinz: ls -d */
<jbritz22> nickrud, thanks
<Xenguy> mzinz: might work
<mzinz> Xenguy, thanks
<juztin> when i try to play a dvd in totem, i'm getting this: Failed to find mountpoint for device /dev/hdd in /etc/fstab   any ideas?
<Xenguy> mzinz: yw (there are different ways to do it I think)
<crimsun> jayg: your soundcard wasn't supported until extremely recently, as in March 6th
<yamathan> Why do so many people install x64 versions if so many third-party repositories only support x32?
<nickrud> jbritz22, the simplest fix is to use xgamma to find what you want, then add the line Option "Gamma" value in the monitor section of xorg.conf to make it permanent
<jayg> ahaaaa so cant do anything about it yet?
<brenner> AngryElf: mine is drwxr-xr-x
<AngryElf> brenner, what about ownership?
<Hexidigital> anyone know where i can find drivers for my USB cable modem?  i'd rather get rid of Ethernet if possible
<Siddhartha211> _jason: im having problems entering the code...its like cannot recognize...hold up
<yamathan> *versions = Ubuntu
<cafuego> Hexidigital: Are you insane?
<brenner> AngryElf: for /home/justin ls -l shows  'justin justin'
<yamathan> What third-party respositories support x64?
<crimsun> jayg: you can compile alsa-driver cvs manually, or you can try current dapper
<cafuego> Hexidigital: You're far better off using ethernet.
<Hexidigital> cafuego, my USB connects at 10MBS, and there's no firewall... with ethernet, i have my router, and can't host my webpage
<_jason> Siddhartha211: hold on I have a better one that will save us some time: apt-cache policy debconf guile-1.6-libs libc6 libguile-ltdl-1 libqthreads-12 | grep -B 1 none
<mzinz> Xenguy, if im installing a regular program (a calendar app), is it wise to just throw the entire untarred folder into /usr/bin/?
<mzinz> Xenguy, then make a ls -l in /usr/local/bin/?
<jayg> crimsun: going way over my head there mate lol, but tried dapper live, never had sound with that either
<cafuego> Hexidigital: Surely the router cna be told to forward all traffic to the Linux box.
<Xenguy> mzinz: no...
<gideon_> cafuego: thxs. again, my understanding of all this is very thin. i was following a guide which described a diferent host, so i have pieces of info but i really dont know where to plug it all in cause things look difernt in the client i am looking at compared with what was described in the guide.
<mzinz> Xenguy, where would be a good place to put the folder with the app in it?
<Hexidigital> cafuego, i'm not sure how to configure my router
<AngryElf> brenner, thanx
<cafuego> Hexidigital: when you use USB, all processing for data will need to be done in software, it will use the cpu; ethernet avoids this.
<Xenguy> mzinz: stuff that isn't packaged should go to either /usr/local/ or /opt...
<Hexidigital> cafuego, i guess i didnt think about that
<mzinz> Xenguy, i see.
<Xenguy> mzinz: also you should consider using 'checkinstall' if a compile is necessary
<crimsun> jayg: dapper flight 5 wouldn't have supported it, since the patch I submitted wasn't available in our kernel until yesterday
<cafuego> Hexidigital: Its interface will probably have an option called 'Port Forwarding'.
<gideon_> cafuego: i think i MIGHT have the sever configured correctly but im not quite sure how to connect
<Xenguy> !checkinstall
<ubotu> hmm... checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
<crimsun> jayg: hence the need for "current" dapper
<IdleOne> Hexidigital,  your better off with router
<mzinz> Xenguy, thanks
<Hexidigital> idleone, cafuego, thanks guys
<IdleOne> Hexidigital,
<Xenguy> mzinz: yw
<jayg> crimsun: if i download new dapper, it *should* work?
<Hexidigital> yes?
<IdleOne> Hexidigital,  it could be called either port forwarding or vitrtual server
<Xenguy> mzinz: BTW what is the app?
<Siddhartha211> _jason: one second
<_jason> Siddhartha211: 1 :)
<Hexidigital> idleone, www.portforward.com is a good resource
<crimsun> jayg: try a current live cd: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
<cafuego> Hexidigital: You should be able to tell it to forward incoming traffic to the IP address of your Linux box.
<fit4lfe> ipfw you there
<mzinz> Xenguy, its called Sunbird.. its by mozilla, a calendar app
<IdleOne> Hexidigital,  yeah I guess so never checked it out but if it helps you go for it :)
<Hexidigital> cafuego, that wont interfere with my other machines?
<jayg> ok thanks, defiately try it as i really dont want to go back to windows now ive used ubuntu :)
<jayg> all your help is appriciated :)
<cafuego> Hexidigital: Nope
<Hexidigital> cafuego, idleone, thanks again... gotta run
<cafuego> Hexidigital: If you're just after hosting web stuff, only forward tcp port 80.
<IdleOne> no problem
<Xenguy> mzinz: I see
<boo> thx for monitor help.
<Siddhartha211> _jason: "command line option 1 [from -12]  is unknown
<boo> is anyone here knowledgable about how i can "fix" a windows boot.ini from within linux?
<Siddhartha211> _jason: this is getting really annoying i think im going to switch back to windows 98
<_jason> Siddhartha211: you copied wrong
<Zarephath> boo: Open it in a text editor and change what you need to change?
<boo> I dont think anything is wrong with the file, i just think GRUB is looking in the wrong place.
<Siddhartha211> _jason: based on the error any idea what i messed up on
<_jason> Siddhartha211: libqthreads-12 has no spaces
<imc_>  Hi, having EVDO with Verizon 5740 card problems and wanna talk connect scripts
<boo> i can change a NTFS file from in linux? I was under the impression linux OSs cant modify NTFS file system files
<Zarephath> boo: You need to edit grub.conf..can you paste it to pastebin?
<gideon_> Folks, i hope u dont mind, i have this here vnc over ssh question and im just going to throw it out there and if somone has any suggestions, that would be great.  im not sure what should go into the domain, and client hostname fields.  Is this the same as Source Port and Destination?  Is Protocol file=my private key file? PLZ and thxs !
<Zarephath> !tell boo about pastebin
<Zarephath> ! tell gideon about ssh
<ubotu> Zarephath: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<Zarephath> ! tell gideon about openssh
<ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Zarephath
<Zarephath> ! tell gideon about openssh-server
<ubotu> Zarephath: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<_jason> Zarephath: no space after !
<jayg> crimson: if the daily live-cd works ok with the soundcard, what do i do then, as breeezy is installed on harddrive at the moment
<boo> where is grub.conf?
<Zarephath> _jason: sorry
<IdleOne> Zarephath, lol and stop fishing :P
<Healot> boo, by using the default drivers, it only allows you too read NTFS partitions
<Zarephath> boot /boot/grub/grub.conf
<gideon_> i have ready something about the openssh. i already have ssh configured on the host system.
<boo> Well are there modified drivers I can use?  I think I'll cry if i cant play CSS :(
<AngryElf> when you ls -l what does the 2nd column stand for...........the column after perms but before ownership
<Zarephath> gideon: If you look on the wiki and look up ssh it has a ssh over vnc HOWTO
<brenner> it's acutally /boot/grub/menu.lst
<Siddhartha211> _jason: it just gives me a buch of errors
<Siddhartha211> cannot get this or that
<brenner> ...there is no grub.conf
<Frogzoo> boo: -> /boot/grub/menu.lst
<gideon_> Zarephath: ok thxs. ill go back to that and try from there.
<Siddhartha211> I HATE UBUNTU....I CANT GET INTERNET TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<brenner> boo: what exactly happens when you try to boot windows
<_jason> Siddhartha211: do any of them say: Installed: (none) ?
<IdleOne> Siddhartha211, its not ubuntu thats the problem
<jayg> i had to buy a soundcard that ubuntu hates didnt i lol
<yamathan> !chroot
<ubotu> I heard chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
<Healot> you are now, Siddhartha211, Aum
<Xenguy> Siddhartha211: is that a request to be /ignored ?
<brenner> Xenguy: it is for me
<yamathan> !w32codec
<ubotu> it has been said that w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
<Xenguy> brenner: ahh
<Siddhartha211> _jason: nope  non
<jayg> apart from audio prob, ubuntu is a sweet OS :)
<IdleOne> Xenguy, he is having a hard time installing a tar.gz of penggy and cant get it from repos has he has no internet
<jbritz22> is there an itunes alternative for linux?
<boo> K, I installed a test vers of vista on a part, so it installed its own boot loader similar to the winxp one. from that loader, you can go to the normal xp loader.  when i select windows from Grub, it goes to the vista one which says something about a file missing if i boot vista, if i go to xp, it says the same thing.
<Healot> in fact, a lot... jbritz22
<fsmw> hi all, i can't remove a postfix packages
<Healot> amarok (KDE) can do that...
<crimsun> jbritz22: no, but you can use sharpmusique
<crimsun> jbritz22: (or pymusique)
<fsmw> apt-get remove postfix
<boo> im hoping i can point grub to one of my windows boot.inis so i can boot to windows.  i can fix it if i can get into windows.
<fsmw> give me an error
<Siddhartha211> _jason: what should i do?
<brenner> boo: so you have vista, xp and ubuntu all on the same box?
<jbritz22> crimsun, ok
<Kr4t05> Ok
<jbritz22> Healot, and these are?
<boo> vista, XPx2 and ubuntu
<_jason> Siddhartha211: ok you are doing something wrong.  I'm going to explain to you what you have to do.  Go to this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/net/penggy .  For each red circle you see, (let's take the first one that says ``debconf'' as an example) you type: apt-cache policy debconf.  If it says ``Installed: (none)'' in the output, that means you don't have it.  Write it down on a piece of paper when that happens.  Tell me when 
<boo> quad-boot i guess
<Healot> nothing, jbritz22, forget what I said
<tarheel> vista  the betas are overinflated with junk
<jayg> crimsun: if the current *daily* live cd works with soundcard, just install the latest daily dapper then?
<tarheel> i can only imagine what the final version
<Zarephath> boo: You don't point it to a boot.ini file...it only knows the partion to boot from when selected...so if you see (hd0,0) listed in menu.lst then this is pointed to hard drive 1 partition 1
<brenner> boo: what i would do is restore the mbr using the windows cd, then re-install grub
<madewokherd> _jason: your message looks cut off after "Tell me when"
<crimsun> jayg: well, that depends if you want to run dapper.
<Kr4t05> So, I'm installing this program and it calls for libstdc++. I've installed every dev package for it and it still won't work.
<jayg> i dont know, do i? lol
<maria> hi guys, when i try to install mplayer from synapitc, im getting this error,... Package mplayer-386 has no available version, but exists in the database.
<_jason> Siddhartha211: Tell me when you have checked all the red circles
<boo> brenner, i had installed a custom bootloader from cnet, and everything got fucked up thru that.
<_jason> madewokherd: thanks
<jayg> if it works, hell yeh
<Zarephath> boo: If it were (hd1,0) then it would be hard drive 2 partition 1
<crimsun> jayg: keep in mind that it's still in development (until 1 june)
<brenner> boo: custom bootloader? >_>
<jayg> well its got to be better than it is now, i got no sound at all :)
<Healot> maria, its "mplayer-586", not "mplayer-386"
<boo> i know i forgot about GRUB, its been a while since ive used linux >_<
<jayg> and im good at crashing things, so may be able to contribute ;)
<Siddhartha211> _jason: sorry man but this is taking too long....im going to uninstall linux...use windows...and go back to linux when i get DSL and i have a internet connection thats automatic
<maria> Healot: thanks, whats the difference between 386, 586, 686, etc?
<boo>  have ubuntu on disk 1, part 1,  vista on disk 0, part 1, and xp on disk 0, part 0 and disk 1, part 0
<yamathan> I wish I didn't need to chroot things. ;_;
<mzinz> Whats the command to open up my home directory?  Just like clicking the home icon?
<nalioth> Seveas: you about?
<_jason> Siddhartha211: ok your choice.  You would probabyl be done in less than half an hour to be honest
* yamathan is a total newbie.
<jayg> crimsun: and 1st of june, isnt that far away :)
* mode/#ubuntu [+o nalioth]  by ChanServ
<Healot> the processor that it targets to run onto... maria
* mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@87.117.194.66]  by nalioth
* mode/#ubuntu [-o nalioth]  by nalioth
<nickrud> Kr4t05, try libstdc++5 (the most common one needed) or libstdc++5-def if you're compiling
<maria> Healot: Package mplayer-586 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
<themachine> is it better to use ftp rather than nfs?
<boo> So do i need to edit the menu.lst file to say 1,0 instead of 0,0?
<Zarephath> mzinz: cd ~/
<nickrud> Kr4t05, libstdc++5-dev I mean
<Siddhartha211> _jason: yea i know but its getting really annoying copying command stuff on paper and hoping i get all the spaces and dashes correct when i recopy it on the other computer
<nalioth> themachine: they serve two different purposes
<brenner> boo: pastebin it
<boo> I think the vista loader is on the windows part. though, this is extremely fucked up.
<boo> k
<themachine> well simply for files that is
<_jason> Siddhartha211: well you can copy it using notepad to a text file and then burn it on your disc
<Siddhartha211> _jason: is there some kind of autoscript that will enable repos for me...and multiuniverse
<Samhain> most of the time when I reboot, ubuntu starts up in 640x480. I have to reboot 3 or 4 times for it to allow me to use a higher res.
<Eroick> I cant get  PHP to work on ubuntu! I followed directions in wiki but still, no dice!!! It asks me to download the file each time i try to get a php file on my server!
<Healot> maria, try to use "sudo apt-get install mplayer", lets see all the candidates available for mplayer
<Kr4t05> nickrud: I'm in Dapper
<Siddhartha211> _jason: yea but i have to waste one whole CD-R every time i do it
<boo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10602
<Zarephath> EasyUbuntu perhaps?
<Siddhartha211> wait nvmnd
<Fujitsu> Eroick, did you install libapache2-mod-php?
<_jason> Siddhartha211: you have the repos enabled.  But the repos are online and you don't have internet
<maria> Healot, same error :(
<_jason> Siddhartha211: no you only need one
<Eroick> Fujitsu: i did that
<Samhain> most of the time when I reboot, ubuntu starts up in 640x480. I have to reboot 3 or 4 times for it to allow me to use a higher res.
* jayg really takes his hat off to the people in here that are helping others all the time
<Kr4t05> nickrud: E: Package libstdc++5-dev has no installation candidate
<Xenguy> themachine: scp may be applicable (encrypted file transfer)
<Siddhartha211> _jason: but burning takes a while....ill just wait till i have DSL...then everything will be much easier
<mzinz> Zarephath, didn't work.  I mean like visually opening the folder.
<Healot> maria, do you just installed ubuntu?
<Fujitsu> Eroick, can you please check if php is listed in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled?
<themachine> thanks
<_jason> Siddhartha211: ok...
<maria> Healot, yeah, maybe 1 hour ago
<Healot> !tell maria about repos
<boo> I have a tendancy to fuck up when partitioning/formatting.  when i was trying to install linux on my ipod, i deleted my MBR by accident :(
<Joetheodd> _jason: If Siddhartha211 doesn't have internet, how is (s)he here?
<Siddhartha211> _jason: thanks anyways
<brenner> ubotu: tell Samhain about fixres
<_jason> Joetheodd: using a windows computer
<nickrud> Kr4t05, arg, it's a virtual, I missed that: use libstdc++5-3.3-dev
<Siddhartha211> _Joetheodd: im using windows rite now
<Samhain> sorry, didn
<Samhain> whoops
<maria> Healot, ive already enabled multiverse, and universe
<jbritz22> crimsun, im not looking for an itunes store thing, just something that gives me a media library interface, and possibly ipod support
<Samhain> nevermind
<Samhain> fixres
<Joetheodd> _jason: Ew, lol.
<Eroick> Fujitsu: nope, its not there
<Samhain> i'll look it up
<Xenguy> !tell Samhain about fixfes
<Healot> maria, did you do "apt-get update"?
<_jason> Siddhartha211: I suppose alternatively you can just download all the dependencies, burn them, and install.  Instead of checking...
<Xenguy> !tell Samhain about fixres
<IdleOne> jbritz22, sharpmusic does that also
<Siddhartha211> _jason: how do i do that?
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: amarok?
<Samhain> !tell Samhain about fixres
<jbritz22> Idle0one, ok
<maria> Healot, yeah
<nickrud> Kr4t05, are you compiling an old program? I'm not sure why you would need a dev package anyway
<Eroick> Fujitsu: but it is in mods-available. i need to symlink?
<Samhain> no one wants to tell me :-(
<Fujitsu> Yes.
<jbritz22> frogzoo, doesnt that just run under kde?
<Kr4t05> nickrud, I'm not really compiling.
<hope> hey room
<Fujitsu> Symlink php5.conf and php5.load, Eroick.
<nickrud> Kr4t05, then what program?
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: nope - works fine under gnome
<Fujitsu> Odd that it didn't do that automatically.
<M|xx> can someone recommend a program like Drive Image that will take an image of a Linux partition and save it to another (NTFS) partition?
<_jason> Siddhartha211: see all those red dots on the page before?  you click on each and download everything that shows up until you make sure you have all the red dots
<Xenguy> Samhain: ubotu sent you a /msg
<tristanmike> jbritz22, no, I use amaroK exclusively
<brenner> Samhain: you're not registered/id'ed w/ nickserv
<jayg> whats the difference between kde and gnome? just what they look like?
<Fujitsu> Dapper, Eroick?
<Healot> maria, what ubuntu release are you using, state the processor + version of ubuntu
<brenner> !fixres
<ubotu> Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
<Kr4t05> nickrud, zdaemon v0.99 Linux
<Siddhartha211> _jason: then how do i install each of them
<Eroick> Fujitsu: no, breezt
<jbritz22> ok
<jbritz22> sweet
<tristanmike> jbritz22, virtually all of KDE apps run under Gnome and vise versa
<Eroick> when does dapper come out anyway?
<maria> Healot, ubuntu 5.10 on a p3 800
<Mischevious> can somone tell me why i had to mount /media/cdrom0 manually ?
<boo> any idea brenner?
<jbritz22> tristanmike: even konsole?
<tristanmike> Eroick, June 1st
<_jason> Siddhartha211: the bottom lets you download a .deb, you can install the .deb's with dpkg -i <name of deb>
<M|xx> dapper = 6/1/06
<Xenguy> Eroick: june 1 apparently
<tristanmike> jbritz22, very funny
<Fujitsu> Strange, Eroick. However, putting the symlinks in and restarting Apache should fix it.
<boo> i did send you the pastebin didnt i?
<Kr4t05> nickrud, prehaps you can figure this out. "zdaemon: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
<jbritz22> tristanmike, heh
<nickrud> Kr4t05, now that helps
<Eroick> apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load, Fujitsu. im using 4, not 5
<Healot> maria, do "apt-cache search mplayer" for me, see what its output
<dash-> we have all..... the time...... in the world
<Fujitsu> Oh.
<brenner> Zarephath: care to help out w/ boo's grub config? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10602
<maria> Healot,
<Fujitsu> Did you link both php4.load and php4.conf, Eroick?
<maria> mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla
<maria> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
<NeverDream> is there a keyboard shortcut to force kill an app in gnome?
<jayg> wow i didnt know ubuntu got weather thing to put up top lol
* jayg enjoys playing about
<Frogzoo> NeverDream: guess Alt F4
<Whatsisname> don't think so but you can run xkill NeverDream
<Healot> you've tried to install "mplayer-386", right, maria?
<EANx> i've finally made it in here :)
<maria> Healot, yeah i did
<Kr4t05> nickrud: Ok, lay it on me.
<Eroick> Fujitsu: yes, ln -s
<NeverDream> cool, thanks Whatsisname
<nickrud> Kr4t05, I know enough to say that the program you're trying to run was not built on a debian based library system :)
<IcemanV9> EANx: way to go! :)
<EANx> LOL
<Zarephath> Anyone know of a program that will convert my ipod music files back to their actual names..so I can copy off of ipod to hd?
<Mischevious> can somone tell me why i had to mount /media/cdrom0 manually ? (instead of it mounting a cd automatically)
<Fujitsu> Eroick, does php4.conf exist in mods-available/?
<Kr4t05> nickrudL Ack.
<EANx> i've been using ubuntu for a bit.. just haven't bothered to stop by the irc channel :)
<Kr4t05> nickrud: Ack.
<EANx> until now
<IdleOne> EANx, welcome
<Healot> ok... what's the output of "apt-cache search mplayer", maria... send the output to pastebin though
<boo> zarepath, i think i do know of one
<boo> you use winamp?
<EANx> i've heard of one
<Eroick> Fujitsu: yes, but the link in modsenabled is red with black bg
<EANx> i was reading some mac magazine one day
<M|xx> Is there a way to take an image of a Linux (ext2) partition?
<Joetheodd> IdleOne, Nobody said welcome to me last night! =p
<EANx> and i heard about something like that
<Fujitsu> Eroick, you didn't link it properly, then.
<EANx> thanks IdleOne
<IdleOne> Joetheodd, welcome to #ubuntu :)
<brenner> boo: it looks like it is trying to boot the vista loader(?).  that's the only xp related entry you have
<Joetheodd> EANx: They don't want us using linebreaks as punctuation.
<boo> yes
<Joetheodd> IdleOne, thanks! <3
<boo> it is
<boo> i want it to boot the XP loader
<Kr4t05> Eff that.
<IdleOne> !tell boo about enter
<EANx> oops
<maria> Healot, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10603
<EANx> stupid mac i guess
<Healot> boo, you can use "bootpart" to add your ubuntu to vista/xp bootlist
* brenner defers to Healot :P
<boo> The problem is that XP/vista arent booting.
<nickrud> Kr4t05, I'd firsrt create a soft link from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6
<nickrud>  to the library the program is looking for. If that didn't work, I'd compile it if that didn't work and I really needed.
<tristanmike> jbritz22, very funny
<IdleOne> boo, format the drive remove windows and use cedega to play CSS
<jbritz22> how do I mount an ntfs partition in fluxbox?
<tristanmike> jbritz22, nevermind, sorry, wrong paste
<EANx> i still have my windows drive
<NickGarvey> mkdir /mnt/hda1
<Kr4t05> nickrud: Meh, don't worry about it.
<_jason> jbritz22: mount -t ntfs /dev/<device> /mount/point
<NickGarvey> wait
<NickGarvey> !mount
<ubotu> [mount]  the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
<Healot> boo, run Vista/xp with its install CD, enter recovery mode, do "fixboot" and "fixmbr"
<boo> I would, but then my 80 gigs of TV shows/movies/porn would be gone. :(
<Kr4t05> nickrud: I'll just wait for the coders to make the proper thing.
<EANx> i went rummaging through it the other night because i was looking for something and i found all the pics of me at LAN parties of old
<nickrud> Kr4t05, not too worried, I don't doom :)
<boo> healot, after that, do i reconfigure GRUB?
<IdleOne> boo, backup :) lmao @ pron
<Eroick> Fujitsu: it should be mods-enabled/php4.conf mods-availible/php4.conf ?
<jbritz22> jason, do you know how to convert from ntfs to ext3 without losing data?
<Healot> maria, there is no "mplayer" package in your system right now
<gazanfer> !sequencer
<ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, gazanfer
<_jason> jbritz22: nope
<Eroick> !enter
<ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
<Fujitsu> mods-available
<Kr4t05> nickrud: It'll just be another thing keeping me from deleting my Windows Partition. :P
<Healot> which repository did you add/enabled, maria ?
<cafuego> Eroick: Don't manually link them, just run 'sudo a2enmod' or 'a2dismod'
<Healot> post me your /etc/apt/sources.list too... lemme learn better/more
<maria> Healot. all of them, i enabled the disabled ones in the settings, and then ticked all the repositories
<nickrud> Kr4t05, for me now there is only one rational use for windows, and I don't even game much anymore. Luck
<cafuego> Eroick: Same goes for 'a2ensite' and 'a2dissite'
<Eroick> cafuego: cool, thanks
<Healot> boo, yes.. and that too, using ubuntu install CD.... skip all the other install process and go straight to the bootloader installation
<Eroick> Fujitsu: yay, it works. thanks!
<maria> Healot, i forgot to add multiverse to the universe repositories:)
<jbritz22> _jason, mount: mount point /mount/point does not exist
<Healot> hehe
<Fujitsu> Interesting that it didn't do it automatically though, Eroick.
<Samhain> I figured out why my resolution booted to 640x480. I have a KVM switch. When I rebooted, I switched to the other computer, therefore, the computer that was booting to ubuntu couldn't find the monitor. I stayed on the computer and it booted to normal res.
<Eroick> Fujitsu: yeah.
<EANx> hehehe
<boo> Wish me luck...if i dont comeback..well....Ill have a 2000$ paperweight
<Eroick> when dapper comes out will it be safe to distupgrade?
<_jason> jbritz22: create it :)
<EANx> Samhain: kvms are a PITA for stuff like that
<Eroick> and will ruby 1.8.4 be supported?
<Healot> and you addedd Seveas repos, yet forgot the official universe/multiverse repos, maria, maria
<Fujitsu> Eroick, there is an automatic upgrade tool.
<jbritz22> _jason, mkdir?
<_jason> jbritz22: yeah
<Samhain> EANx, yeah but they are great otherwise :-)
<jbritz22> _jason, ok
<Celeste> hi
<Celeste> /dev/cdrom  is not my cdrom device
<Healot> hi Celeste
<EANx> indeed!
<Celeste> where can I find it please?
<seekr> hi, celeste
<Neth> how would i change from gnome to KDE?
<EANx> provided you get a decent one
<Kr4t05> Neth, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
<IdleOne> Neth, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
<Kr4t05> IdleOne, too slow. ;)
<Healot> Celeste, do you know how your CDrom is connected to your pc, via IDE/USB/SCSI?
<IdleOne> Kr4t05, Im wearing my glasses so I cant see a thing lol
<Celeste> Healot, I think IDE
<Kr4t05> lol
<_jason> IdleOne: that's not how glasses are supposed to work...
<Celeste> but not sure
<brenner> IdleOne: heh, what are you like /without/ your glasses then?
<EANx> i actually had quite a panic a couple of weeks ago when all of a sudden, breezy wouldn't boot my laptop for some reason... it stopped at a fsck and i couldn't get past it... one new hard drive later and i was back in business
<gazanfer> i need to install "sequencer" for a package to run. i know this is stupid, but anyone has any ideas about what it might be? (error i got: open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory)
<IdleOne> _jason,  it isnt? brenner slower then with glasses
<jbritz22> anyone know how to add a prog to the menuy
<Healot> ok.... which IDE port it is connected to, IDE0 (the first/primary) or IDE1 (second/secondary) port?
<chuckyp-afk> jbritz22, there is a menu editor for that
<chuckyp-afk> jbritz22, applications> system tools
<hintswen> hi
<chuckyp-afk> jbritz22, applications> system tools> menu editor
<DjMortal> #ubuntu-es
<abarbaccia> hey all - whats comprable to frontpage in linux?
<hintswen> my mouse stoped working last night. it's a serial mouse
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: aps -> system -> menu editor
<brenner> abarbaccia: nvu
<perezidentt> I recently aquired a portable scanner called "travelscanner pro" and i tried looking for linux drivers and I tried sane also but I cannot get it to work. Can anyone please direct me toward some help?
<Healot> travelscanner pro? usb/parallel connector?
<chuckyp-afk> abarbaccia, you can use synaptic to search for packages.  just type in some key words and read the descriptions
<perezidentt> usb
<chuckyp-afk> !sane
<ubotu> chuckyp-afk: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<chuckyp-afk> hrm..
<abarbaccia> chuckyp-afk: thanks, i just needed the program name
<seekr> i've just installed ubuntu, and found it messed up my mbr at the end of the install process - i already had grub installed from a suse install that i've been using for the past couple of years, so i was reluctant at first to let ubunto installer overwrite the mbr - my worst fears were confirmed when after i let it and the system rebooted, i got an error instead of a grub menu - now i'm trying to find a way to repair th
<seekr> e damage
<brenner> chuckyp-afk: heh, was about to say you must have good eyes and long arms
<tonyyarusso> Heh, Vista got delayed 'til 2007.
<p01n7> how cares
<p01n7> :P
<EANx> we got the future right now
<p01n7> amen
<jbritz22> frogzoo, i dont got that
<_jason> ubotu: tell seekr about grub
<chuckyp> tonyyarusso, I don't plane on ever buying vista
<gazanfer> i need to install "sequencer" for a package to run. i know this is stupid, but anyone has any ideas about what it might be? (error i got: open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory)
<perezidentt> healot: usb
<EANx> i don't plan on it either
<tonyyarusso> chuckyp: Me neither.  XP was my last Windows.
<seekr> i'm reinstalling suse on another partition and plan to fix grub by hand afterward - maybe there's an easier way, tho
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: aps -> system -> apps menu editor
<seekr> tnx, _jason
<chuckyp> gazanfer, what application are you trying to install and how are you trying to install it?
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: that's for gnome, btw
<_jason> seekr: follow the repairing grub after isntalling windows instructions
<jbritz22> frogzoo, im in fluxbox ;)
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: well...
<chuckyp> !tell seekr about grub
<Healot> perezidentt, does the device connected and power on right now?
<gazanfer> chuckyp, i am trying to install pygame library for python. it installs no problem, but it doesnt work as intended and quits with this error.
<chuckyp> gazanfer, sudo apt-get install python-pygame
<seekr> ok, _jason
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: fluxbox will have a menu editor I'm pretty sure - maybe just google around
<perezidentt> Healot: it doesnt have a power button, just plug it in and go
<jbritz22> frogzoo, ok, is there a command that shows me whats running, programwise, and is there a command to kill programs?
<seekr> _jason & chuckyp - is this (messing up the mbr when trying to install grub) a common ubuntu problem?
<Misnix>  jbritz22  google " fluxbox menu edit"   top of the list of results:-)
<_jason> seekr: first time I've seen it
<seekr> _jason - hmmmmmm
<chuckyp> seekr, nope I do not have a problem with grub at all.  What is the problem you are having?
<gazanfer> chuckyp, i already had it installed, but i reinstalled it after you told me. but the problem still persists...
<Frogzoo> seekr: no it's not - but most people have pretty simple disk layouts - dual boot at max
<`Boo`afk> haha woot! you rock healot, brennen and the other guy whose name i cant spell
<Healot> ok, plugged in, already, perezidentt ?
<seekr> chuckyp - as i said, after the install, i couldn't reboot
<perezidentt> Healot: yes
<seekr> Frogzoo- maybe that's my problem - i have two drives, and lots of partitions
<Healot> now do "lsusb" >> let's see what usb hardware connected to your PC right now
<perezidentt> juston@nixbox:~$ lsusb
<perezidentt> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
<perezidentt> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp.
<perezidentt> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
<perezidentt> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a82:2000 Syscan
<perezidentt> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
<perezidentt> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
<perezidentt> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04a9:10a0 Canon, Inc.
<perezidentt> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
<chuckyp> gazanfer, maybe then dpkg-configure python-pygame then but to help you out /dev/sequencer would be pysical device or a link to such
<Healot> Boo, was your journey a success?
<perezidentt> juston@nixbox:~$
<boo_> =D yep
<Healot> owh... don't paste here
<IdleOne> !tell perezidentt about paste
<chuckyp> !tell perezidentt abotu paste
<zanth> good evening, I have reinstalled breezy and am trying to get my logitech mx1000 mouse to work with all buttons, using the xorg.conf suggestions in this post: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=602991&postcount=5
<seekr> Frogzoo, _jason, chuckyp - the ubuntu installer seems to have found the other installed systems, since the suse installer found and reported them when it looked at the mbr during the install process
<chuckyp> seekr, what type of error did you get?
<perezidentt> Oh okay, sorry
<boo_> fixboot worked, i dont think ill need to do anything else :) now all i have to do i format my ipod without deleteing my MBR again
<Healot> btw perezidentt the scanner is detected "Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a82:2000 Syscan", I think
<IdleOne> !tell zanth about mouse
<AngryElf> what would cause mounting nfs filesystems to take 1-2 minutes to finish the mount command????
<seekr> chuckyp - i should have made a note of it - i'll let you know if it comes up again later
<perezidentt> Healot: so what do I do?
<Healot> boo_, great to hear that
<zanth> thanks IdleOne I'll give this a try
<Healot> did you try to scan it using GIMP/other program that uses sane?
<sponix2ipfw> !devel
<Neth> once i've installed KDE what do i do?
<ubotu> sponix2ipfw: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<seekr> chuckyp - something to the effect that it couldn't load grub after the bios checks and stuff
<chuckyp> seekr, yeah make sure you write it down.  Then ask again.  But you can always switch back to whatever bootloader you where using before.
<sponix2ipfw> whats the package to install most of the devel tools ?
<perezidentt> Healot: Yes, it says nothing detected
<tristanmike> sponix2ipfw, build-essential
<IdleOne> Neth, logout and click on session and chose kde then log back in
<chuckyp> seekr, hrm.. well as long as you are installing it on the mbr you should be fine.
<Healot> did you setup the scanner?
<perezidentt> Healot: xsane scans and doesnt find anything
<Healot> hum... I see that, wait... a sec
<perezidentt> Healot: well i dident get the install cd with it, but on windows i searched for the driver and downloaded a scanning program
<seekr> chuckyp - it's not that simple - i was using grub previously, under suse - so when the ubuntu installer zapped the mbr, it froze me out - luckily, i have a bunch of systems that run from cd/dvd, so i can get at the filesystems
<perezidentt> Healot: It works fine on windows
<juztin> how do i get xfree86-devel?
<sponix2ipfw> tristanmike: thanks man
<boo_> Another thing, is there any way to edit/backup/copy ntfs files from ubuntu?
<mzinz> How do i make a home icon that goes to my home directory in gnome?
<gazanfer> chuckyp, pygame also needs sdl library. even though it is too installed, maybe i can reinstall it. can you please help me find the sdl package to remove and reinstall?
<Healot> perezidentt, sorry to say this, not supported by sane
<seekr> chuckyp - the new suse install is nearly complete now, so i'll know shortly whether it was able to recover my mbr
<Healot> http://www.sane-project.org/unsupported/syscan-travelscan-pro.html >>to read more
<brenner> juztin: something asking you about x includes?
<chuckyp> gazanfer, well anything that pygame needs should be installed if you installed it via apt-get thats the beauty of apt it installs the required packages for you.
<tristanmike> boo_, you can read from ntfs, but you cannot write to it, so no edit while on ntfs
<Healot> perezidentt, run "sane-find-scanner -v -v"
<Healot> see if sane is sane enough to detect your scanner
<gazanfer> chuckyp, i know, but maybe something is broken with my sdl installation, etc.
<Eleaf> oii
<boo_> can you edit ext3 from windows?
<brenner> mzinz: create a launcher to nautilus on your dekstop
<Toki_Masa> boo_: No.
<Frogzoo> !ext2
<boo_> can you even see it from windows?
<ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Frogzoo
<juztin> brenner, trying to get xine running right...when doing 'configure' on xine-lib, i got this message: For some reason, the requirements for building the X11 video
<juztin> output plugins are not met. That means, that you will NOT be
<juztin> able to use the resulting xine-lib to watch videos in a window
<juztin> on any X11-based display (e.g. your desktop).
<juztin> If this is not what you want, provide the necessary X11 build
<perezidentt> lol
<juztin> dependencies (usually done by installing a package called
<Toki_Masa> Not without third-party programs.
<juztin> XFree86-devel or similar) and run configure again.
<Eleaf> hi
<juztin> ack, sorry about spamming!
<tristanmike> boo_, yeah, that shouldn't be much of a problem, but not natively
<perezidentt> Healot: so what would you recomend doing from here? Is there anyway I can use wine to get it to work?
<brenner> !tell boo_ about explore2fs
<tristanmike> boo_, you'll just need some other software to help you
<Frogzoo> !winext2
<ubotu> well, winext2 is http://www.fs-driver.org/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd
<ddg_bluesky> hello all hi brenner
<brenner> !tell Frogzoo about explore2fs
<Toki_Masa> fs-driver.org - That's what I was told about first with many recommendations.
<ddg_bluesky> brenner picking up from last night, just wondering how do I install some themes?
<Frogzoo> boo_: see ubotu ^^
<IdleOne> juztin, dont paste in here and sudo apt-get install xfree86-dev
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: you're still on that?
<Toki_Masa> I have yet to try it myself, but it does come highly recommended by lots of people. So after I install Ubuntu, I might give that app a try.
<IdleOne> !tell juztin about paste
<Healot> you could recompile the kernel with the Syscan driver patch...
<ddg_bluesky> yeah didn't have time last night after to work on it
<juztin> IdleOne, sorry, i know about paste...just didn't realize that was gonna be so long, sorry, sorry :D
<boo_> so...winext2 or explore2fs?
<brenner> ubotu: tell ddg_bluesky about themes
<perezidentt> !tell perezidentt about explore2fs
<Toki_Masa> boo_: Try the one at fs-driver.org.
<juztin> IdleOne, i got E: Couldn't find package xfree86-dev
<Healot> only TravelScan 460/464 is support by sane, atm, i think
<Toki_Masa> It's going to be the one that I use once I get Linux installed.
<perezidentt> Healot, do you think if I run that windows scanning program in wine I can get it to work?
<Healot> maybe.... that's a good idea
<jbritz22> can anyone tell me some fast optimized full w3 support browsers for linux
<ddg_bluesky> brenner I typed in the command and it said packages could not be installed
<Healot> make sure your wine has twain driver support
<IdleOne> juztin, juztin  I dont know if its repos or not
<IdleOne> heh
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: gksudo /etc/apt/sources.list
<juztin> IdleOne, so that's the file i need to get...i can just google it?
<groogs_> is it normal that lspci shows nothing?
<Aklys> Can anyone help me get WPA working on a rt2500 wireless chipset?
<Frogzoo> groogs_: sudo lspci
<Healot> jbritz22, "amaya"
<seekr> _jason, chuckyp, Frogzoo - no joy - still have mbr problem - error sequence: "Grub loading, please wait..." followed by "Error 21"
<groogs_> Frogzoo: yes
<brenner> lspci needs sudo now?
<tristanmike> !wpa
<ubotu> rumour has it, wpa is enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
<ddg_bluesky> brenner, I got failed to run /etc/apt/sources.list as user root
<Frogzoo> groogs_: well then no, it's highly unusual
<Healot> http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html#Z-SYSCAN >> still unsupported by sane, perezidentt
<perezidentt> Healot: Can I PM you about this to clear the chan abit?
<Healot> sure
<Aklys> can't use wpasupplicant with rt2500 drivers from what I"ve read
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: gksudo 'gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
<EANx> Aklys: just out of curiousity, do you have an averatec to go with that rt2500? :)
<groogs_> Frogzoo: ok, thats what I figured. I have no /proc/pci either, and can't get my network card loaded
<seekr> _jason, chuckyp, Frogzoo - maybe i should read the docs from ubotu, as you suggested
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: sorry, only gave you half a command :-/
<Aklys> EANx: averatec???
<Healot> does rt2500 hardware support WAP?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner thank you no problem
<groogs_> Frogzoo: is there a module that provides that stuff..?
<sanity> can anyone point me to some (simple) documentation on how to replace the default kernel with one that supports SMP and more than 4GB of RAM?
<EANx> it's a laptop manufacturer
<Frogzoo> brenner: no, no need for sudo with lspci - my bad
<Healot> or it's for the old WEP...
<Aklys> Healot: it supposedly does.
<brenner> Frogzoo: no sweat
<Healot> ah
<ddg_bluesky> brenner ok I have that file up , what next
<Aklys> EANx: no this is a Belkin PCI card
<Dark_pahnt0m> OMG is kde always so clow & problomatic in video?? I am having minor widget problems
<EANx> ahh ok
<EANx> just wondering :)
<liana> can someone help me, i'm a newbie to all this and i'm running dapper flight 5. i've followed the tech support instructions on the ubuntu site, but am getting a message saying the w32codecs are not available when i do an apt-get, does someone know how i can get these?
<Healot> yet the linux driver doesn't do WAP well, Aklys ?
<Dark_pahnt0m> slow*
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: i assume you're running breezy.  replace the entire contents with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
<Frogzoo> groogs_: is this a new install?
<nictuku> I'm testing a dist upgrade to dapper. Is using aptitude's "U" command supported as a dist-update method?
<mzinz> i just got a program called gDeskCal.. its a real small little app that has a calendar on my desktop.  how can i make it open up during boot?
<perezidentt> Healot: Did you get my pm?
<Aklys> Healot: I'm not sure if it does. I can enter the information into /etc/network/interfaces and it shows it in iwconfig. But when I ifup eth1 it falls can't ping anything bar itself
<Healot> nay.... isn't blocking either
<juztin> how do i install a file of type .rpm ?
<groogs_> Frogzoo: it's a breezy install that was recently changed to drake. i seem to remember manually loading my network card after breezy though
<mrt> how do you defragmnt your hard drive? breezy
<marsh> anyone???hello
<marsh> ?
<bimberi> mzinz: System -> Preferences -> Sessions, Startup Programs
<brenner> mzinz: sys >prefs>sessions>startup apps
<tristanmike> !tell liana, about w32codecs
<IcemanV9> ubotu: tell liana about w32codecs
<Dark_pahnt0m> What can I do too speed up my display on KDE desktop?? My widgets are spriting when little menu's & boxes are on desktop
<Healot> Aklys, maybe it just doesn't do WAP well...
<jbritz22> what are the commands to install something from a tar package
<Frogzoo> mzinz: is this a gdesklet? if so, you need to configure gdesklet to start it
<perezidentt> Healot: Can you PM me instead first?
* IcemanV9 chuckles
<brenner> mzinz: you're giving us a workout.  try sys>help  you're asking a lot of easy questions
<NickGarvey> !pm
<chuckyp> !tell jbritz22 about compile
<ubotu> Ask your questions in the channel so that other people may also benefit from answers received.
<Dark_pahnt0m> WAP?? is that a joke agenst italians :P
<mzinz> Frogzoo, no
<chuckyp> jbritz22, What are you trying to install?
<Aklys> Healot: How do you distinguish if it doesn't do WPA well
<mrt> ok ok
<tristanmike> !tell liana about w32codecs
<NsOmNiAc> no that's WOP
<NsOmNiAc> not WAP
<NsOmNiAc> heh
<chuckyp> jbritz22, also tar files are jus tcompressed files like zips
<NsOmNiAc> LOL
<jbritz22> chuckyp, fluxbox conf
<chuckyp> jbritz22, why not install it via apt-get
<Frogzoo> mzinz: system -> prefs -> sessions -> startup
<liana> thanks folks
<jbritz22> chuckyp, cant find it on there
<brenner> mrt: no need. ext3 doesn't fragment
<dgibb> hello, is it possible to install libapache2-mod-jk?
<chuckyp> jbritz22, well if universe and multiverse are enable sudo apt-get fluxconf
<juztin> how do i install a file of type .rpm ?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner its there
<Healot> it fails to setup WAP connection? Aklys, as you said, you config'ed the interfaces, then it fails to connect?
<tristanmike> juztin, you need alien
<gazanfer> i have php mysql and apache installed. but i dont want them to run at startup. how can i do that?
<Dark_pahnt0m> How do I fix my video problem? Its slow & sprites miinor white dashes when there a menu or box open
<chuckyp> !tell juztin about rpm
<dgibb> I hear that mod-jk2 is no longer supported
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: save and close the file. then run sudo apt-get update
<jbritz22> chuckyp, ha, it is, I typed fluxmenu before
<tristanmike> juztin, sudo apt-get install alien
<perezidentt> juztin: rpm files are for redhat
<jbritz22> chuckyp, my bad
<Frogzoo> groogs_: you might have better luck on #ubuntu+1
<Aklys> Healot: all I know is that it can't ping outside of itself. IT doesn't show any other errors.
<perezidentt> you have to use alien
<brenner> Dark_pahnt0m: sys specs?
<marsh> How do I find out which version of Ubuntu I need for a v266b motherboard with a AMD ATHLON XP 2400 processor... - isa this 64bit?
<mrt> ty brnnr
<bimberi> !info libapache2-mod-jk
<crimsun> sounds like a -k7
<boo_> whats multiverse and universe
<juztin> perezidentt, yeah, i know, but i can't find any other download for xfree86-devel :(
<ddg_bluesky> brenner what do I save it as?
<tristanmike> marsh, no, just the i386 one
<Aklys> healot: as I don't know how to tell if it is the IP side of things messing up or the wireless connectin
<chuckyp> marsh, the 386 version will work on it.
<Neth> KDE is running but i have one problem with it...where is my print screen feature??? i cant aprt with it
<dgibb> bimberi:?
<brenner> ubotu: tell boo_ about components
<bimberi> !info libapache2-mod-jk dapper
<Dark_pahnt0m> 4 meg card running 512 meg ram on  20 gig HDD & KDE ubuntu
<ubotu> libapache2-mod-jk: (Apache 2 connector for the Tomcat Java servlet engine), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.14.1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 292 kB
<ddg_bluesky> brenner do I save it in the apt folder?
<Dark_pahnt0m> ooh 500 mhz proccessor
<Healot> ~need more inspection on that... Aklys
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: wait a sec.  when you opened it, did it already have existing text?
<bimberi> dgibb: hm, it's in dapper but not breezy :|
<Frogzoo> Neth: tried the 'printscreen' button?
<mrt> m 2 brnnr
<Healot> do you have rt2500 hardware yourself, Aklys ?
<ddg_bluesky> yes it did, when I opened it , I pasted it
<dgibb> bimberi: oh... too bad... how is dapper these days? stable?
<perezidentt> Where can I view a list of repositories avaliable?
<Aklys> healot: rt2500 is the chipset on the belkin card I'm working with.
<chuckyp> !tell perezidentt about repos
<Dark_pahnt0m> I am also having trouble getting cedegatoo install properly :(
<marsh> tristanmike, chuckyp it's not working - gets most of the way through installing the base system (haory) and says there's no installable system.!?!!? - The disks worked fine for loads of installs before...but only on pIII 800's
<azadder> later
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: just save and close
<ddg_bluesky> brenner do I need to save it again
<Aklys> Healot: and it works fine on a windows installation. Just can't get it to function on linux
<Healot> Aklys, can you connect to AP without WAP?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner ok saved
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: now run: sudo apt-get update
<bimberi> dgibb: i'm running nonupdated flight5 and it is stable for me.  Staying right up to date would be more risky.
<Healot> maybe just wrong setting, Aklys, can't tell much if cant see it
<Aklys> Healot: considering I'm currently connected among other workstations to it. No I wouldn't be able to do it without WPA.
<Dark_pahnt0m> Its WOP not WAP, quit making fun of the italians :P
<chuckyp> marsh, why are you install hoary?
<Aklys> I can msg you anything you need
<brenner> Dark_pahnt0m: 4 meg graphic card?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner ok I did the update
<marsh> tristanmike, chuckyp, I dld'd breezy disk (but cant find md5's (??) and that doesn't work either... it installs - but then the apps dont work...
<Healot> is there any italian?
<marsh> chuck - because the breezy didn't work
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: now run the command ubotu sent you
<chuckyp> marsh, why don't you try a mem test.
<Dark_pahnt0m> yes brenner its an onboard video card
<Healot> Aklys, btw, I don't have rt2500 hardware... just a good infor before actually buying any wifi hardware
<dgibb> bimberi: flight5?
<tristanmike> marsh, md5's   http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/5.10/MD5SUMS
<AngryElf> all of a sudden my sound card isn't being recognized in gnome, /dev/dsp exists.......how do i connect it back up?
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: what you just did was enabled two extra repositories
<marsh> I have to install to get to the memtest, don't I?
<bimberi> !tell dgibb about flight5
<Aklys> yeah I read that it should work when configured manually
<Frogzoo> marsh: check the breezy isos md5 mebbe? & burn next time a little slower
<m0rbid> what's a good wireless card for a laptop that will work for ubuntu?
<Dark_pahnt0m> I do know its an ati 3d
<Dark_pahnt0m> any wireless
<morfeus> [09:50]  <morfeus>
<morfeus> hello
<jbritz22> how come after using fluxmenu I have no icons?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner I just did the command but Im getting the same error
<brenner> Dark_pahnt0m: well, just a stab, but it could be that KDE is too resource heavy for your specs
<morfeus>  anyone knows how to delete specific line numbers in my text.file?
<Aklys> Healot: I knew it worked with WEP out of the box. But read it was easy to configure WPAPSK on it too. But did the configuration and it just doesn't work.
<dgibb> bimberi: that !tell thing doesn't seem to work
<|Daemoen|> anyone happen to know of a way of resetting root password if the os happens to be installed in vmware * snickers *
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
<Dark_pahnt0m> linux kde on winlinux ran on slower &^ I installed full KDe on that
<bimberi> dgibb: did you get a /msg from ubotu?  anyway...
<ddg_bluesky> brenner ok, do you want me to paste the error too?
<bimberi> !flight5
<ubotu> from memory, flight5 is http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
<Healot> hum... see, Aklys, did you do it according to the manual/man somewhere?
<Frogzoo> |Daemoen|: boot to recovery mode - ie single user
<UNiXWHoRe> hey peepz...
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: sure
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: use a pastebin though
<jbritz22> when i try and run amarok
<dgibb> bimberi: nope
<odez909> hi all
<jbritz22> i get
<odez909> i need help installing nvidia driver
<brenner> Dark_pahnt0m: try #kubuntu
<jbritz22> there was an error setting up the inter-processing communications for kde
<Aklys> I've done it to alot of manuals. I'll find a link to one of the instructions I followed
<Dark_pahnt0m> brenner I doubt that pc has 2 doo with it, I seen linux KDE run on a 233 with 1 meg card liek a god
<chuckyp> odez909, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
<LordMelkor> how do i enable "direct rendering" for my intel grafx card
<chuckyp> !tell odez909 about nvidia
<marky> hi
<bimberi> dgibb: strange, anyway the link is posted by ubotu above
<dgibb> bimberi: if I just change my sources.list to dapper, everything should be froody, right?
<Dark_pahnt0m> im not running Kubuntu
<chuckyp> LordMelkor, edit the xorg.conf
<marky> can someone tell me how to do the replace totem player thingy?
<sponix2ipfw> File "./easyubuntu.py", line 22, in ?
<sponix2ipfw>     import gtk, gtk.glade
<sponix2ipfw> ImportError: No module named gtk
<UNiXWHoRe> i have an old 3dfx voodoo2 here, and i am trying to compile 3dfxdevice... now, during the compile, it gives me weird warning about undefined symbols...
<Dark_pahnt0m> I mearly installed the kde desktop for ease of use
<chuckyp> marky, please read the wiki
<bimberi> !upgrade
<LordMelkor> chuckyp how so
<_jason> marky: in firefox?
<ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
<sponix2ipfw> umm, on (K)ubuntu with easyubuntu I'm getting this that error
<ddg_bluesky> brenner pastbin.com/615424 is the error
<boo_> Is it possible to play any game that i own (for windows) for free on ubuntu? Are there any emulation programs I must buy?
<marky> _jason you got it
<bimberi> dgibb: ^^^^^ (ubotu)
<_jason> ubotu: tell marky about replacetotem
<groogs_> lspci has output in 2.6.12-9-386 but not 2.6.15-17-386 or 2.6.15-19-386...
* |Daemoen| ponders. You know... I dont actually remember ubuntu's install cd asking me for a root password..
<sponix2ipfw> I just installed glade with apt
<marky> _jason remebr me?ut it before you told me abo
<chuckyp> LordMelkor, what video card do you have?
<Aklys> Healot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78250
<brenner> Dark_pahnt0m: wow. i was wiating an eternity on my old mmx 200 w/ win 98
<odez909> chuckyp: i did those before and the problem is my brightness screen
<marsh> tristanmike,  - why they don't have the md5 on the download site?
<LordMelkor> chuckyp: intel 810
<_jason> marky: yeah
<UNiXWHoRe> and after compile, the module is unusable, give me 3dfx: Unknown symbol verify_area
<UNiXWHoRe> 3dfx: Unknown symbol remap_page_range
<Frogzoo> |Daemoen|: there is no root password - use sudo
<marky> _jason thanks
<_jason> marky: np
<marky> thanks tony
<marsh> Frogzoo, will give it a go...
<mrt> ! sudo
<ubotu> hmm... sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
<dgibb> bimberi: all right. Thanks
<ddg_bluesky> brenner pastbin.com/615426 is the file
<tazer> I cant empty my trashbin :( ""/home/tazer...2ff164.rbf" cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder."
<Dark_pahnt0m> yeah he rqan redhat debain & others till he got one that worked on kde & it ran like a god, its necause linux dont rely on extra resources as windows does
<bimberi> dgibb: wait...
<mrt> ! sudo
<Dark_pahnt0m> no extra crap
<tazer> Any ideas? can i do it manually?
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: heh. was wondering
<Healot> Aklys, which wifi hardware is most likely easy to setup in ubuntu, any experience, Aklys ?
<dgibb> bimberi: hmm?
<UNiXWHoRe> anyone of you have any experience with voodoo2 on 2.6.x kernels?
<chuckyp> LordMelkor, and what do you mena by direct rendering?
<bimberi> !info libapache2-mod-jk2
<ubotu> libapache2-mod-jk2: (Apache 2.0 connector for the Tomcat Java servlet engine), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 2.0.4-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 688 kB
<starpause> i just insterted an sd card on my system and it's showing up in /media/usbdisk/ but using that for the of= parameter of dd doesn't work. how can use dd to write an image of an sd card onto my /media/usbdisk ???
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: ok, you haven't changed it :-/  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
<bimberi> dgibb: i had the wrong name sorry ^^^^^
* brenner can't get the hange of gksudo
<marsh> tristanmike, chuckyp md5's check ok...
<Aklys> healot: This is the easiest one I've found. But  just haven't been able to get wpapsk working on it
<dgibb> bimberi: oh
<Dark_pahnt0m> I have exp with voodoo2 on linux system winlinux I dunno what ver
<brenner> hang even
<dgibb> damn
<Healot> eh
<chuckyp> marsh, please do a memory test
<Dark_pahnt0m> what you need 2 know?
<mrt> !sudo
<ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: run that
<dgibb> bimberi: so do you know if it's possible to install jk on apache2?
<marsh> chuckyp, can I do a memtest without an installation?
<chuckyp> marsh, yes I beleive its a boot option on the cd.
<ddg_bluesky> brenner ok I have it up, what do I need to change
* |Daemoen| snickers. Ive already tried sudo.... sudo still wont let me access root itself. or is root actually disabled in ubuntu?
<marsh> I've not been asble to find memtest86 anywhere but in grub...
<Frogzoo> starpause: you need to dd of= to the device, not where it's mounted
<chuckyp> marsh, what type of hardware are you using?
<marsh> ok...
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
<chuckyp> marsh, and does anything work with it?
<bimberi> dgibb: no idea, haven't used it myself,  looks like libapache2-mod-jk2 is the package though
<_jason> |Daemoen|: what are you trying to do?
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: you're running breezy right?
<Amaranth> |Daemoen|: the root account has an invalid password, what are you trying to do?
<marsh> with breezy, yes....
<marky> i still can't watch media on my network, but can from www, in vlc in mplayer and the rest even no mp3's playing in xmms  , but if i copy it  , it'll play from my desktop
<Frogzoo> starpause: also, I wouldn't have the device mounted while you do that
<welemski> hi peep
<welemski> i have a question...
<marky> any ideas?
<dgibb> bimberi: everyone seems to say that it's no longer being developed, and jk should be preferentially used
<starpause> Frogzoo, thanks, i'll try that
<chuckyp> !tell welemski about ask
<ddg_bluesky> brenner the code in the brown box?
<|Daemoen|> im trying to get access to my root account, so that i can make system wide changes, such as editing visudo, and numerous conf files
<Dark_pahnt0m> I am running breezy what can I do too maximize my eficiancy of my video card & stop the little widgte sprites that show & sometimes freak out my login screen when I logoff
<dgibb> bimberi: which is annoying
<_jason> ubotu: tell |Daemoen| about sudo
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: yep
<bimberi> dgibb: ah
<jbritz22> is it possible to run amarok on fluxbox, I keep getting errors
<Dark_pahnt0m> widget*
<Frogzoo> !tell |Daemoen| about sudo
<chuckyp> |Daemoen|, sudo -s
<_jason> |Daemoen|: you can do all that with sudo
<marsh> chuckyp, no memtest on cd - or hoary live cd.... (perhaps something that should be added?)
<ddg_bluesky> brenner now run the update again?
<|Daemoen|> yes and no, last i checked, sudo doesnt change your login shell to inherit the root user path.
<chuckyp> marsh, try a breezy cd
<Mischevious> anyone know of any good speech to text software
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: sudo apt-get update
<Healot> it's on Breezy or later
<dgibb> bimberi: and I'm having a hard enough time setting this up without complicating things...
<_jason> |Daemoen|: sudo -i, I believe does
<Eleaf> Can somebody help me with the firestarter firewall gui?
<Dark_pahnt0m> you have too use su too access root path
<Amaranth> |Daemoen|: sudo -i
<chuckyp> Mischevious, isn't there one installed?
<Eleaf> I need to open up about 2000 ports, I don't believe firestarter allows port ranges..
<Eleaf> =S
<Mischevious> chuckyp, i don't think so
<Amaranth> |Daemoen|: it'll put you in a root shell with the proper environment setup
<Fox_Mike> Hello all, anyone knows about USBNET?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner yeah something happened it was able to update without any errors
<bimberi> dgibb: well you're probably talking to the wrong person.  I can point you to a package or too but beyond that ...  :)
<bimberi> *two
<ddg_bluesky> brenner now run the sudo command for the gnome art?
<chuckyp> Mischevious, well try apt-cache search text to speach
<Healot> Fox_Mike, for Ambit Cable Modem?
<Mischevious> chuckyp, what
<Mischevious> okay
<neurosis_> when i installed ubuntu it started hplip ethernet printer.  Is this needed if i plan to use samba anyway?
<marsh> chuckyp, found it - sorry... was lloking for memtest86... it's just memtest :-/
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: yep
<boo_> Any VOIP progs for linux?
<Fox_Mike> Healot: for an iPaq running familiar linux...
<dgibb> bimberi: ok. thanks
<chuckyp> Mischevious, search for text to speech apps  You have the ability to search 1,000
<bimberi> dgibb: yw :)
<zinzin88> hi, someone here can help me whit my ati driver installation ?
<patrix> boo_, ekiga (in gnome 2.14), gizmo, openwengo, skype, x-lite from Xten, etc
<bimberi> boo_: ekiga, skype, gizmo
<Mischevious> chuckyp, didn't find anything promising
<chuckyp> Mischevious, 1000's of apps right there.
<Frogzoo> |Daemoen|: sudo -i
<Mischevious> boo_, many use ekiga
<ladofnod> i'd really like to know how to play mp4 video. can someone direct me to the correct plugin?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner cool we are installing now without any errors, can you explain why I had to replace the file?
<marsh> chuckyp, have been at this since 11am - it's now 1am...
<chuckyp> Mischevious, isn't festival or something like that the standard
<marsh> <- feels a little fried... :(
<Eleaf> Where is the config file firestarter creates??
<Toki_Masa> My only potential problem with installing Ubuntu is making sure I don't overwrite my Windows NTFS partition. What will I need to do to chose the right place for my installation to occur?
<Mischevious> dunno
<ddg_bluesky> brenner ok cool we are installed now
<Dark_pahnt0m> I installed cedega & it wont run whats going on?
<dubious9> hey anybody get a chance to use the new nvidia 7600 yet?
<dgibb> um anyone here familiar with libapache2-mod-jk2?
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: the default file doesn't enable universe or multiverse. the code you pasted in does.
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: and gnome-art is in universe
<welemski> what's the difference between thesse two repository "us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/" and "us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe" ? I looked at it and saw they mostly have the same content...
<chuckyp> marsh, What type of hardware are you trying to instlal on?  I.e. what type of cpu etc..
<_jason> !components
<ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
<welemski> thanks....
<bimberi> !tell welemski about components
<chuckyp> Dark_pahnt0m, go to cedega support since you are paying for it.
<Dark_pahnt0m> HOW do I  get cedega too run?? I clicked on it & it wont work
<ddg_bluesky> brenner ok cool, so I just launched the program
<Dark_pahnt0m> trial
<chuckyp> welemski, universe is the difference
<mrt> is there a good web page for bsic deffinitions used here? this is daunting and deep but if i knew what the accronims and deffinitions of the words are it would help
<bimberi> !tell bimberi to read the channel before hitting the enter key
<dubious9> quit
<dubious9> hehe
<Dark_pahnt0m> HEL:P me I am using trial & I cant get it 2 work
<Frogzoo> mrt: maybe take a browse over at tldp.org
<brenner> mrt: what are you having trouble with?
<chuckyp> !tell Dark_pahnt0m about helpme
<Eleaf> elp! lol
<marsh> chuckyp, Athlon XP (0.13) 2009Mhz - Jetway(?) v266b rev:3.0 mobo
<Dark_pahnt0m> !tell chuck about either help or dont I dont wand BS
<Dark_pahnt0m> want*
<chuckyp> ?
<chuckyp> what?
<mrt> the names of basic things
<Eleaf> Where is the config file firestarter creates??
<phreak97> WHY? why doesnt ubuntu support more than 60Hz at 1280x960 on my hardware?
<chuckyp> Dark_pahnt0m, I don't have to be here helping people you know?
<marsh> chuckyp, Athlon XP (0.13) 2009Mhz - Jetway(?) v266b rev:3.0 mobo - 512Mb DDR (2x256)
<phreak97> are you saying windows is better at video than linux?
<chuckyp> Dark_pahnt0m, and you demanding that I help you is pretty ignorant.
<Dark_pahnt0m> scro;; up chuck I did ask question & awnsered question & repeated question chuck
<Eleaf> phreak97, maybe you don't have your drivers setup?
<chuckyp> marsh, are you using the i386 iso's?
<Frogzoo> mrt: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
<Dark_pahnt0m> chuck either help or plz sttfu thank you
<starpause> Frogzoo, i've unmounted the usbdisk, but how do i figure out what the device is called to dd to it?
<phreak97> Eleaf, i do
<phreak97> i even get the nvidia splash screen
<brenner> phreak97: your monitor rates are probably wrong
<chuckyp> Dark_pahnt0m, You never asked a question you stated I can get cedega to run help me.
<_jason> chuckyp,Dark_pahnt0m: you guys had a misunderstanding... please just drop it
<Frogzoo> starpause: easiest to just mount it, then 'mount'
<phreak97> brenner, how do you mean?
<chuckyp> Dark_pahnt0m, that is not a question
<thoffmeyer> how come a user cant write to this reiserfs partition I just made on a second harddrive?
<chuckyp> _jason, no its not a missunderstanding
<dgibb> um anyone here familiar with libapache2-mod-jk2?
<mrt> frogzoo ineed definitions to understand lot of tht lol
<Dark_pahnt0m> chuck your not helping your giving me stupid awnsers & BS
<phreak97> what 'rates' are there to be wrong?
<brenner> phreak97: is this a laptop?
<chuckyp> lsa l';vb
<phreak97> nope
<phreak97> 17" crt
<chuckyp> Dark_pahnt0m, good luck with your problem bro
<Dark_pahnt0m> I askeed once again I have cedega trial & cant get it too run what do I do chuck
<TR30> thoffmeyer, maybe umask needs to be set to 000
<brenner> phreak97: your monitor vertical and horizontal sync rates are specified in xorg.conf .  sometimes' they're detected wrong
<Dark_pahnt0m> chuck you didnt scroll up your only being stupid suck my /ignore
<chuckyp> wow
<thoffmeyer> TR30, tried, just gives me an error when I try to mount it
<brenner> phreak97: pastebin xorg.conf
<Frogzoo> mrt: http://help.ubuntu.com/  perhaps?
<_jason> Dark_pahnt0m: do realize everyone here is a volunteer.  No need to name-call
<_sHaDe> n8 all :*
<TR30> thoffmeyer, device busy error?
<starpause> Frogzoo, would 'sde' be the device?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner so what I need to do now is download the theme I want and install?
<thoffmeyer> TR30, no, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2
<phreak97> brenner, will you be here in 6 hours? i have to go out, im running late
<Frogzoo> starpause: certainly could be - just be sure you don't inadvertently clobber some other file system
<Dark_pahnt0m> jason he is being stupid saying I didnt ask a question when I asked several.. he can eat ignore like a good lil tart
<brenner> phreak97: not likely
<brenner> ubotu: tell phreak97 about fixres
<mrt> ty
<TR30> thoffmeyer, wooo... maybe bad sector on that partition
<marsh> chuckyp, yes.      and looking at the memtest, it's only checking 256mB - is that right and it checks the other later? - it also appears to be only checking cache...? or is this just my reading of it - i not too knowledgable... :(
<brenner> phreak97: there's a line there to autodetect your rates. make sure they match w/ the ones in xorg.conf
<thoffmeyer> i can mount it fine TR30 without umask
<Eleaf> Seriously, then how does firestarter work?
<Eleaf> It saves a config file right?
<dixiet> hi, I have a trouble with udev. I couldnt make my speedtouch modem with it because dapper uses udev instead of hotplug.
<Frogzoo> starpause: best way to check is dd if=/dev/sde | od -c | less
<Eleaf> for iptables.
<TR30> bad superblocks suck
<chuckyp> marsh, dunno i've never run it.  Are you using the i386 iso's?
<brenner> phreak97: otherwise, you need to google your monitor model for them
<_jason> Dark_pahnt0m: obviously he didn't see your question... but let's stop talking about it
<TR30> have to format bad superblocks to fix
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: never used the tool to be honest :-/
<marsh> chuckyp, yes
<Dark_pahnt0m> I told em 2 scroll up he gave me BS so I /ignored
<|Daemoen|> ok... now maybe this time ill be able to explain the entire dilemma...
<brenner> ddg_bluesky: did you run it?
<Frogzoo> TR30: how do you do that?
<Dark_pahnt0m> AGAIN I am installing cedega but it will not run how do I fix this
<nickrud> Eleaf, it creates a file /etc/firestarter/firestarter.sh
<marsh> chuck - I'm not ignoring your q's - I have answered before (just to let you know...
<_jason> Eleaf: try dpkg -L firestarter
<boo_> is there any way to get xfire on ubuntu?
<chuckyp> marsh, I would assume its some sort of harware related issue.   You have pretty common stuff that other people don't have issues getting working.  Does any os work on yoru hardware?
<TR30> Frogzoo, format ?
<Eleaf> nickrud, thank you.  _jason , is it possible to have firestarter open a range of ports?  I see no way of doing this.
<marsh> xp's been fine...
<chuckyp> Dark_pahnt0m, please stop spamming your question someone will get to you in time.
<|Daemoen|> I installed ubuntu in vmware.... and managed to lose the root account password (i still swear it never asked me for a root password during install phase in the first place) anyways...  cant install the vmware tools... cant access root of course... so suggestions on ways to reset root password on a vmware installation?  note the situation:  no root password... cant sudo without root pw, vmware
<Dark_pahnt0m> I have it installed but it fails 2 start no errors
<groogs> Frogzoo: hrm, got it to work.. remembered i had to add pci=noacpi to menu.lst .. is there a way to make it always do that, as dpkg overwrites it when i install new kernels?
<marsh> much as i hate to admit it...
<drew> hi. when starting X for the first time (ie: on boot) my cursor is frozen until I switch to another VT and back... any clues
<Frogzoo> TR30: fix bad superblocks while leaving the data intact?
<chuckyp> !tell |Daemoen| about sudo
<starpause> Frogzoo, that puts a bunch of trash i don't understand on my screen? heh
<marsh> chuckyp, yeah - xp... but i only just acquired it...
* |Daemoen| growls
<|Daemoen|> would you STOP saying SUDO!!!!!!!!!
<chuckyp> marsh, does it crash or blue screen?
<Frogzoo> groogs: check at the top of menu.lst for the kopts option - then 'update-grub'
<|Daemoen|> you CANNOT use sudo WITHOUT the damned password!
<NickGarvey> !caps
<ubotu> caps is, like, FYI, typing in ALL CAPS is considered to be 'yelling', and therefore rude behaviour.
<marsh> not that I know of...
<chuckyp> |Daemoen|, if you would read the message from ubotu you would understand that you don't give a root password
<nazgulwalker> how can i isntall w32 codes to amd64 breezy?
<Ropechoborra> Wow... dont get mad mate
<Ropechoborra> xD
<starpause> Frogzoo, but drying a 'dd if=sd.dd of=/dev/sde' returns 'dd: opening '/dev/sde': Permission denied
<TR30> Frogzoo, you have to move the data to a good partition...but data that is on the bad superblock might not be able to be copied
<_jason> |Daemoen|: it's your user password
<chuckyp> |Daemoen|, you use YOUR USERS PASSWORD
<michael> how can I sort music files into directories based on their ID3 tags?
<boo_> !tell boo_ about sudo
<chuckyp> _jason, You know what i'm done helping these asses.
* chuckyp good bye everyone good luck
<|Daemoen|> I apologize... It would appear you guys have changed the way sudo works by default
<NickGarvey> boo_: you can use /msg ubotu <question> to ask
<marsh> they got an upgrade & wanted shot of it... I wanted upgrade.... may have been bumped :(
<dgibb> hey, there's a couple packages not in ubuntu that I need, and they happen to be in debian. Can I just add the appropriate lines to the sources.list for it to work?
<nazgulwalker> how can i isntall w32 codes to amd64 breezy?
<Eleaf> _jason, seriously, do you know of a way?
* |Daemoen| sighs cuz he feels like an A1 now.
<drew> nazgulwalker: they are win "32" codecs - 32 bit not 64...
<dgibb> Specifically, tomcat, and libapache2-mod-jk
<Eleaf> nickrud, what about you?
<_jason> Eleaf: no, not offhand.  Did you check the online help?
<welemski> so most packages in "main" comes along with ubunto and is fully supported by ubuntu team....
<Eleaf> _jason, like that is any help.  They assume users don't know what ports are.
<Eleaf> _jason, I trieds port#-port#, didn't work
<Eleaf> it just reads the first number
<nazgulwalker> drew : so ? can i watch wmv or mpeg or something like that format?
<|Daemoen|> when chuckp is seen next, please tell him I apologize.
<TR30> i haven't delt with bad superblocks on linux persa... so newer tools maybe available
<bimberi> |Daemoen|: good on you for apologising, definitely not what an A1 would do :)
<Dark_pahnt0m> How do I get cedega too work?????? I got it installed
<nickrud> Eleaf, I don't have it installed, and I do remember not finding a way to do that either
<welemski> cedega ....
<dgibb> bimberi: do you think I can use the debian package for apache2-mod-jk?
<welemski> cedega app.exe
<groogs> Frogzoo: ah, thanks.
<dgibb> bimberi: and for tomcat, for that matter?
<Eleaf> nickrud, alright.  any reccomendations for something else I should use?
<talios> hmm - whats happened to the #ubuntu+0 channel?
<nazgulwalker> can i watch wmv or mpeg or something like that format? amd64(breezy)
<Dark_pahnt0m> doesnt run acts liek itt then closes no errors
<linuxdoesnthatem> is it possible to auto-login (no user id or password) to a linux box?
<nickrud> Eleaf, you might want to look into shorewall. It's in main (hint) and is pretty flexible
<Dark_pahnt0m> no its not possible
<bimberi> dgibb: i'd try the dapper one first, download it via http://packages.ubuntu.com and try installing it using dpkg
<linuxdoesnthatem> how about not requiring a password?
<Eleaf> nickrud, will the two collide and mess something up if I have both shorewall and firestarter installed?
<Eleaf> nickrud, or will it read both policies?
<dgibb> bimberi: the dapper what? tomcat or libapache-mod-jk?
<bimberi> linuxdoesnthatem: yes, you can configure that in System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
<drew> nazgulwalker: you have to run 32bit separately, try here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
<jcapote> how hard would it be to get gnome 2.14 on the latest ubuntu
<Frogzoo> starpause: best way to check is 'sudo dd if=/dev/sde | od -c | less
<nickrud> Eleaf, good question. I'd assume it'd read both, and hopefully you'd write non-conflicting rules :)
<bimberi> dgibb: libapache2-mod-jk
<Eleaf> nickrud, lol
<linuxdoesnthatem> how can I set up suse to not require passwords?
<drew> nazgulwalker: seriously - just search on ubuntu forums
<nazgulwalker> thanks drew
<drew> nazgulwalker: it's all there
<Eleaf> nickrud, just for a test for now, is it possible to just simply disable the firewall?
<dgibb> bimberi: ok
<ddg_bluesky> brenner how do I change my firefox icon?
<dgibb> bimberi: thanks
<starpause> Frogzoo, what should i expect out of that?
<Dark_pahnt0m> HOW do I remove cedega!
<|Daemoen|> how exactly is it that sudo uses the users permissions to execute as root, including the users password?
<bimberi> dgibb: not yet, make sure it works first :)
<nickrud> Eleaf, sudo invoke-rc.d firestarter stop
<_jason> linuxdoesnthatem: did you make a type?  ``suse''?
<_jason> typo*
<crimsun> |Daemoen|: because sudo is setuid
<Frogzoo> TR30: if your main superblock is clobbered, you might still be able to recover with 'fsck.ext2 -b' if you can find a workable alternate superblock
<dgibb> bimberi: true...
<drew> when starting X for the first time (ie: on boot) my cursor is frozen until I switch to another VT and back... any clues?
<ddg_bluesky> brenner better still were do I download it
<linuxdoesnthatem> wrong forum
<bimberi> linuxdoesnthatem: i was going to say...
<nickrud> Eleaf, same command except start to reload (no gui needed, once you write the rules)
<michael> how can I sort music files into directories based on their ID3 tags?
<talios> is launchpad giving 500 Internal Server Errors for anyone else?
<crimsun> michael: easytag, ex falso
<TR30> Frogzoo, oh okay
<jcapote> so is there a way to get gnome 2.14 on breezy?
<talios> hey crimsun
* Dark_pahnt0m needs help with cedega, some clown says its a good program & yet the damn thing wont work
<Eleaf> nickrud, wha?
<crimsun> talios: no
<IamEthos> hey
<_jason> talios: working here
<Eleaf> nickrud, you mean stopping firewall will stop all firewall policies?
<Eleaf> lol
<crimsun> talios: (hi)
<talios> crimsun, seems intermittent
<Frogzoo> starpause: now remove the drive & see if the command still works ;)
<Eleaf> nickrud, stopping firestarter*'
<crimsun> talios: yeah, someone's playing footsies with it
<cafuego> !test
<ubotu> Stop poking me!
<crimsun> talios: (i.e., they're attempting to iron out bugs in it)
<starpause> Frogzoo, perfect, it did not work :)
<Frogzoo> starpause: cool
<michael> crimsun, i'm confused - how do i use those?
<AngryElf> this is really stupid........how do i specifiy "here" as in the current working directory when copying files.......i.e.  cp /pathto/file $here???
<Fox_Mike> Hi, does anyone can tell me about ip addressing?  I have an ethernet cable modem hooked via a hub.  I try to connect an iPaq Pocket PC running Familiar Linux  via USBNET and I have trouble ping it from the PC... I think it is an IP addressing problem, does anyone can give me a cue?
<nickrud> Eleaf, no. Once firestarter has written out firestarter.sh , invoking /etc/init.d/firestarter is how your firewall is started and stopped by the system.
<_jason> AngryElf: with a .
<Dark_pahnt0m> WTF nobody can help with cedega after somone here reccomended it too me.......
<talios> crimsun, I've still got that PPPoE problem in dapper :(  hopefully now I've added more logs and a tcpdump to the ticket someone will spot something ( https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rp-pppoe/+bug/34277 )
<IamEthos> hey
<AngryElf> _jason, derr, thanx :)
<Eleaf> nickrud, ah, interesting.  Thanks, I'll try it.  /etc/init.d/firestart stop is the same right?
<starpause> Frogzoo, i've re-inserted the card, and unmounted it again. what parameter should i pass to of= to hit sde?
<nickrud> Eleaf, yes
<Eleaf> as invoke.d thingy  I usually use the init.d method
<nickrud> Eleaf, certain people here whip*encourage us to recommend invoke-rc.d :)
<Eleaf> lol why?
<IamEthos> for some reason I can only write to my hard drive if I open it by clicking browse from the disks window
<ddg_bluesky> Anyone know where I can get a good firefox icon?
<Frogzoo> starpause: /dev/sde or /dev/sde# depending
<crimsun> talios: sorry to hear :/
<nickrud> Eleaf, teaching the provided tools for manipulating init scripts ; another useful one is update-rc.d
<Eleaf> humm
<vinicius_> hi, do you use DBDesigner ?
<talios> crimsun, yah :( I'm stuck using the windows laptop ;p  its been an interesting experience thou - all my email is gmail, calendars on 30boxes, rss is rojo - all web based, so its actually not that painfull :)
<tazer> please help me empty my trashbin :[
<starpause> Frogzoo, attempting "dd if=sd.dd of=/dev/sde" or /dev/sde1 both return "dd: opening '/dev/sde': Permission denied
<nickrud> Eleaf, but I use unapproved methods often personally
<Frogzoo_away> starpause: sudo
<Healot> tazer "rm -rf .Trash/*"
<pastyhermit> How do I make MP3s, I cant find anysoftware that does it!
<sl> what is the difference between install cd and live cd?
<jcapote> is there a way to run 2.14 on breeze?
<jcapote> breezy*
<LordMelkor> im trying to follow a guide on enabling direct rendering for intel grafx cards ( http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Direct_rendering_on_Intel_Extreme_Graphics_(855GM)_chipsets ) but its meant for gentoo and i cant find the equivalent directory for the first step
<starpause> Frogzoo_away, thanks a lot for the help! it is writing i think :)
<LordMelkor> (the one that contains the linux source?)
<pastyhermit> jcape, sure compile it yourself
<Eleaf> nickrud, I'm having really bad problems with ftp
<Healot> pastyhermit, you can use L.A.M.E
<IamEthos> hey
<Eleaf> nickrud, are you familiar?
<pastyhermit> LAME eh
<pastyhermit> hrm..
<pastyhermit> thanx I will give that a shot
<vinicius_> exit
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: whats your problem? I host an ftp server
<jcapote> pastyhermit: there are no binaries
<nickrud> Eleaf, no, I've never run ftp servers
<LordMelkor> where is that directory in ubuntu
<`Boo`> does anyone know if cedega or wine cost anything?
<tazer> Healot, thanks, but it didnt work.
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, ok cool
<ddg_bluesky> brenner I have a firefox.png file downloaded but I can't add it to the icon because it is grayed out
<Eleaf> nickrud, alright thanks.
<tazer> no error message, but the items are stil there.
<Healot> tazer, it works if you actually read how to use it
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, alright
<tazer> aha. mkay
<LordMelkor> boo no they dont thats something you can find out on the internet in a matter of seconds -____-
<LordMelkor> `boo` ^
<IamEthos> I can only write to my hard drive (the one linux is installed on) if I go to system->administration->disks and select the partition and click browse
<IamEthos> any idea why?
<Healot> i've been lame(ing) for sometimes yet no problem using it
<`Boo`> i thought they didnt, but on cedega's site there was a transgamer acct. which costs money.
<Healot> I am L.A.M.E
<tazer> Healot, Mind giving me a hint about where to read up on it then? :<
<LordMelkor> `boo` cedega can be downloaded from cvs in which case its free
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I have this computer, I'm trying to set it up to use ftp for a distributive project.  I am able to connect to ftp fine locally on the network.  Out of the network, I am able to log in with a user name and pass.  But once I start to do a transfer, such as 'ls' to list the files it just says.  227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,2,130,155).
<Eleaf>     and then ftp: connect: Connection timed out
<Eleaf>    It times out and disconnects
<will_> hello all
<newbie1canoby> hello
<`Boo`> explain? is there a ubotu about cvs?
<FaeWolfe> hello
<LordMelkor> `boo` normal cedega requires a transgaming subscription
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: what is your client?
<IamEthos> okay this is weird
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: filezilla?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I've used about 3 clients 4 so far..
<Healot> man lame, tazer man...
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: edit > settings > firewall settings > uncheck passive
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: if you use filezilla
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, 1.  the python module ftplib (used by my ckomputer)  ftp.  my friends mac
<IamEthos> I have the same directory opened in two windows
<devians> LordMelkor, theres a non normal cedega that doesnt? :P
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: I have the same problem ;)
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, huh?  as the server?
<IamEthos> one opened via the disks window
<NickGarvey> filezilla client
<`Boo`> so why doesnt everyone use CVS, if cedega costs $
<LordMelkor> devians yes
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, that's a gui?  I don't know if I want to run a gui ;)
<LordMelkor> devians cedegacvs
<tazer> man rf then. okau
<tazer> okay*
<NickGarvey> ah
<IamEthos> I created an HTML file in that window
<NickGarvey> then use command line
<Healot> lame basically takes wav/mp3 input ... just supply the wav filename and the mp3 output for encoding in default bitrate
<devians> ah k
<IamEthos> and it's editable and everything
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, right now I'm using the ftp server pro-ftp.  I've tried vf-ftp (or whatever it's called) as well.
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: use the built in ftp client in linux / mac / windows
<IamEthos> but then the file popped up in the other window
<IamEthos> with a big red ex
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, client?
<NickGarvey> vsftpd is what I use Eleaf
<Healot> for more explanation just visit L.A.M.E website, btw you  can rip CDs and turn em into WAVE files first
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I'm talking about a server here
<`Boo`> what is "devians cedegacvs" and where can i get it
<Eleaf> not client
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: yes, I am telling you how to take off passive with the client
<devians> yeah games are really the only thing stopping me going to linux :/ im just waiting for it to become just a little more friendly to newbies like me
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I'll have to do this with every client?
<Fox_Mike> Hello all, anyone knows about USBNET?
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: proftp.. I'll look into it
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, this will be a project with about 100 people connecting,.
<ddg_bluesky> Not sure why I can't add the icon to the list of icons, can somone help
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, that's the server
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: if they use command line then they won't active passive most likely
<michael> I can use exfalso to edit ID3 tags, but how do I sort the songs in that directory based on their ID3??
<FaeWolfe> Hello, I'm wondering if someone might possibly be able to help me with some installation problems I'm having
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, but they will be using my program to connect,  I've disabled passive transfer and tried it and the same thing happens
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: yes I know, I am going to look into the server and see how to take off passive/support it
<will_> anyone in here using the Linksys WPC54G wireless NIC card?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, here
<LordMelkor> im trying to follow a guide on enabling direct rendering for intel grafx cards ( http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Direct_rendering_on_Intel_Extreme_Graphics_(855GM)_chipsets ) but its meant for gentoo and i cant find the equivalent directory for the first step. (the one that contains the linux source?)
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I'll show the error with active
<newbie1canoby> hello
<NickGarvey> alright
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, this is the error with active mode
<Eleaf> 200 PORT command successful
<Eleaf> 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
<will_> n e 1 using the linksys wpc54g?
<IamEthos> any idea?
<Toki_Masa> So, I'm about to install. After I do this, what happens?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I hear ftp has to use port 20 for an active connection ?!
<Toki_Masa> I mean, when I first turn on my PC with two operating systems.
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I'm pretty sure that is blocked by my isp.
<Mortuis> Is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ down?
<Toki_Masa> Will I have to choose one OS?
<_jason> Toki_Masa: a big explosion!  nah, you'll see a menu
<FaeWolfe> anyone know why ubuntu  installation would just stop at 100 percent on the partitioning? (have been able to install other OS's with no problems)
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: no I don't think so..
<Toki_Masa> OK. And I just pick one OS (either XP or Ubuntu) and that one loads?
<Toki_Masa> And it's all automatic?
<NickGarvey> let me check though..
<Toki_Masa> Like, I don't need to change settings or anything.
<bimberi> Toki_Masa: usually.
<Mortuis> FaeWolfe: Are you installing on a thinkpad?
<will_> I guess I'll catch everyone later, have a good night
<NickGarvey> I know my ISP doesn't so it works fine
<_jason> Toki_Masa: you can pick one, or a countdown will load the default one after 10 seconds
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, somebody told me it uses 21 and 20
<Toki_Masa> I see. That's cool.
<FaeWolfe> Mortuis:  no, on a pc
<jvai> i broke down & bought 3 orinoco cards off ebay for my thinkpad 600x, the drivers r in the kernl already, works nice, but cant scan
<Toki_Masa> Thanks guys.
<Healot> FaeWolfe, never experienced that before... maybe fault hardware or fault installer CD?
<will_> L8r
* Toki_Masa installs Ubuntu now.
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, passive uses like 4031-60591 (wow)
<FaeWolfe> all 5 shippit cd's?
<pianoboy3333> How do you make a shortcut/target/link to a file/executable?
<Mortuis> FaeWolfe: I had that problem installing on a thinkpad T23, upgrading my BIOS fixed it.
<Healot> faulty hardware then...
<abhorsen> does the rpm command work in terminal?  I keep getting that rpm is not a terminal command. . .
<FaeWolfe> Healot...nothing wrong with the hardware, have had it checked
<Healot> abhorsen, install alien first, then alien will install rpm
<abhorsen> oh, ok, simple me
<Mortuis> FaeWolfe: How long have you let it sit at 100%?
<Healot> FaeWolfe, state your hardwares...
<jvai> bout 2 buy a reburb'd t40 off ibm site, hope the intergrated wifi card works flawlessly , off hoary
<Hexidigital> anyone know where i can get working OSX themes?
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: mm I think you are out of my range now, I just have everyone turn off passive, I couldn't get it working with vsftpd
<_jason> Hexidigital: gnome-look.org
<Hexidigital> thanks _jason
<FaeWolfe> Mortuis...I've let it sit for about 30 min and nothing....
<Mortuis> FaeWolfe: Have you tried formatting with a different OS then installing into that setup?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, what?
<ddg_bluesky> are the ubuntu forums down??
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, what ports do you forward on your router?
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: yes
<Mortuis> ddg_bluesky: I can't get in either
<FaeWolfe> Mortuis...no I haven't
<NickGarvey> heh all of them
<NickGarvey> scan me and you will get flooded
<Eleaf> can I try?
<Eleaf> lol
<ddg_bluesky> ok cool just wonder I just want to change my firefox icon to the one I download can you help?
<NickGarvey> go ahead
<NickGarvey> nickgarvey.no-ip.org
<Mortuis> FaeWolfe: Maybe that's worth a try then.  Use Debian or something to do the formatting and see if Ubuntu will let you get past that step?
<jvai> ubuntuforums r probably updating site, w/ dapper servr.. lol
<Healot> if DSL, passive connection is required... to connect to the FTP server on the net
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, whenever I forward ports on my router, they don't make a difference (I use no-ip too yay!)
<jvai> it'll fly
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, as in they don't show up
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I believe my isp has opened only 3 ports, nothing else can be opened
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, 80, 22, 23
<Eleaf> ;/
<Mortuis> FaeWolfe: Could also flash the BIOS, but I hate doing that personally.
<NickGarvey> ouch.. and 100 people..
<FaeWolfe> Mortuis, would using something like partition magic to set it up to run linux work for a start?
<NickGarvey> if it were like 5 I'd say ask them to tunnel in
<benji> hey guys having  a bit of an issue with getting my second head on my NVIDIA Geforce 5200 FX to run as a second moniter
<benji> any ideas?
<bur[n] er> FaeWolfe: it would, but gparted works on teh livecd, so you don't need partition tragic
<Healot> Eleaf, how the hell you got connected to an IRC server then, if only 20, 22, 23 are opened?
<Mortuis> FaeWolfe: Never used Partition Magic, so I don't know.  But I want to say that I've heard of others successfully doing that.
<IamEthos> okay
<Eleaf> Healot, I don't know, that's all that shows up on nmap
<LordMelkor> where is the linux kernel?
<NickGarvey> is that all you have open?
<IamEthos> now my taskbar and menu have disappeared while I was playing with permissions
<Healot> Partition Magic can safely make/destroy linux/windows partitions
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, I can't figure it out
<michael> I used gnomad2 to transfer my songs onto my laptop, but it only recognises the first 228, is there a setting i can change to make it recognise the enitre 1080 songs??
<ddg_bluesky> Mortuis is it possible to change an icon that is on the menu bar?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, whenever you forward a port, does it open that port?
<jvai> i nmap'd myself, & i only got port 3128 open (squid)
<bur[n] er> LordMelkor: ?  kernel.org, /boot/
<IamEthos> how do I get them back?
<NickGarvey> it does for me but I think my router is stupid thats why
<FaeWolfe> thanks Mortuis and bur[n] er      will give the other OS idea a shot
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, nmap me ethanlofton.no-ip.org
<Healot> FaeWolfe, try using PM first, then on ubuntu's install, do not reformat the partition, just select their mount points
<Eleaf> I have to go to dinner
<NickGarvey> ok
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, stay on if you can so I can talk to you lol.
<FaeWolfe> Healot ok
<Eleaf> later
<Mortuis> ddg_bluesky: I think so, what icon do you want to change?
<NickGarvey> later
<jvai> what's the ip?
<LordMelkor> bur[n] er isnt the kernel source somewhere in the ubuntu filesystem like it is with gentoo?
<IamEthos> hey
<bur[n] er> LordMelkor: /boot
<IamEthos> can anyone assist me?
<ddg_bluesky> Mortuis I want to change that blue firefox icon to the more modern one
<bur[n] er> oh oh oh... source, i don't think so
<bur[n] er> LordMelkor: apt-get install kernel-source ?
<NickGarvey> LordMelkor: need to apt-get it
<Healot> FaeWolfe, btw... try to plan your partitions first... draw or describe it logically first
<NickGarvey> LordMelkor: apt-cache search linux-source
<Mortuis> ddg_bluesky: try right clicking the icon, then selecting properties, then click on the big version of the blue icon and pick a new one from the list.
<LordMelkor> oh ok
<bur[n] er> rright, thanks NickGarvey
<iGotNoTime> What is the easiest way to get a graphical wifi widget to my desktop on my laptop?
* bur[n] er wonders if there's a wifi gdesklet
<neurosis_> when you install firestarter is it supposed to just start automaticly or do you have to manualy start it the first time yourself?
<Healot> IamEthos, ask question first, someone will/can assist :)
<Mortuis> ddg_bluesky: or you can start from the other end and try modifying /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png
<IamEthos> I was playing with the permissions on my linux partition
<bur[n] er> IamEthos: and?
<IamEthos> and my menu and taskbar seem to have disappeared
<DannyBoy> Hi all
<jvai> hey, what exactly is gtranslator, is it for languages?
<bur[n] er> IamEthos: is gnome-panel running?
<DannyBoy> Is ubuntuforums.org down? I cannot get to it
<IamEthos> I don't know
<IamEthos> I have a big empty desktop
<IamEthos> I can only see the windows that I have open
<_jason> DannyBoy: yes
<benji> DannyBoy: i think so
<jvai> gtranslator = language translator?
<IamEthos> I can change between the windows with Alt+tab still
<NickGarvey> IamEthos: open console and type ps ax | grep gnome-panel
<techrush> are the forums down ?
<_jason> techrush: yes
<techrush> k
<techrush> bummer
<DannyBoy> thanx
<Jaga> noob question. sorry. I broke my sound support by dicking about with some setting or other. I forget which. How can I go about getting it working again...?
<Healot> jvai, it's the PO editor (you can edit GNOME language resource), it doesn't do translation though, you do
<IamEthos> how do I open a console with out any menus?
<NickGarvey> IamEthos: alt f2
<_jason> IamEthos: alt+f2 and type gnome-terminal
<jvai> oooh ty healot, it's a pragramming translator! lmao
<Healot> Ctrl+Alt+F<x> for tty's
<NickGarvey> what is the difference between console and terminal?
<Kyral> none
<Kyral> anymore
<gtwirth> can someone help me with nvidia video cards with tv out I am new to linux so I need major help
<Healot> !nvidia
<ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
<Joetheodd> Hey guys, I just got word from _jason that ubuntuforums.org are down. Might wanna update the topic of whatever.
<NickGarvey> !nvidea
<ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, NickGarvey
<Healot> there you fo gtwirth
<NickGarvey> not only was I slower but I had a typo
<IamEthos> yeah, alt+f2 isn't doing anything
<NickGarvey> ok then ctrl alt f2
<DannyBoy> Who is NickServer? He just told me my nick is owned by someone else??
<gtwirth> !nvidia
<Healot> that should pops up the run dialog
<ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
<NickGarvey> DannyBoy: he a bot, and that means someone else registered your name and can take it back from you whenever they wish
<Healot> DannyBoy, your nick is registered to someone else...
<Kyral> DannyBoy: NickServ is a bot that helps regulate Freenode
* mode/#ubuntu [+o _jason]  by ChanServ
<IdleOne> DannyBoy, Nickserv is a service provide on freenode.net that nick is probably registered by someone else
<bimberi> IamEthos: right-click and create a launcher with the command 'gnome-terminal'
<braniff> how do i make a script run at startup??
<mzinz> Whats everyone here think of BMPx vs XMMS?
<Kyral> I use Amorak
<Kyral> or however its spelled
<DannyBoy> Thanx :) I'm new to this whole IRC deal :)
<Kyral> I haven't tried BMPx
<Kyral> but BMP was basically a GTK2 facelift to XMMS
<bmp> what
<bmp> huh
<bmp> what'dIdo
<mzinz> Kyral, i see, thanks.
<Fox_Mike> Hello all, anyone knows about USBNET?
<NickGarvey> haha
<Kyral> lol bmp we were talking about Beep Media Player (commonly referred to as BMP)
<bmp> ah.
<bmp> how is that proggy anyway?
<bmp> never used it.
<mzinz> Kyral, Lol.
<Kyral> Winamp clone
<mzinz> bmp, it looks pretty good, bmpx does.
<IdleOne> !tell bmp about enter
<Joetheodd> yay for _jason!
<DaneeBoy> Can I ask how to change my default MP3 handler?
* mode/#ubuntu [-o _jason]  by ChanServ
<perezidentt> how do i unblock my port so I can ftp into my box?
<bimberi> !defaultapp
<ubotu> To change the default app for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties, then the "Open With" tab and change the setting
<DaneeBoy> thanx
<saxifrage`> is gedit 2.14 available for breezy?
<bimberi> DaneeBoy: yw :)
<nalioth> DaneeBoy: right click on the mp3 and right click > properties and do the open with thing
<sid> Hi room
<rgiskard> Hi!
<FunnyLookinHat> helloes
<juztin> how do i install files of type .run ?
<trace> sid: hello
<FunnyLookinHat> juztin, sudo sh filename
<mzinz> This link has bmpx.. i can't figure out how to DL it though...: http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/Downloads
<juztin> FunnyLookinHat, thanks :)
<FunnyLookinHat> np
<sid> got problem with sound after I installed a new kernel
<rukuartic> sid: boot on the old one P
<crimsun> sid: uname -r
<sid> ok
<mzinz> Kyral, did you check out that link by chance?
<sid> 2.6.16-ck1
<juztin> FunnyLookinHat, that gave me Uncompressing Unreal Tournament version 436 Linux installtrap: usage: trap [-lp]  [arg signal_spec ...] 
<Kyral> huh?
<crimsun> sid: ...we don't support that.
<Kyral> why would I
<crimsun> Kyral: obviously you know!
<sid> ok:)
<FunnyLookinHat> juztin, type ls and see if something showed up
<Kyral> He wants me to package it...
<crimsun> sid: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
<Titan> I tell you what. I switched to Ubuntu about 1 week ago and I have not started windoze since. Had to work a little to get WoW to run just right with no glitches, but I dare say I may never start windoze on this PC again.
<mzinz> Kyral, i was j/w.. its a link that shows a link to the DL site for BMPx but I can't figure out how to apt-get it
<FunnyLookinHat> juztin, otherwise, it looks lke the script you are running might have an error in it
<Kyral> Its not in dapper repos
<juztin> FunnyLookinHat, nope
<juztin> FunnyLookinHat, k....i'll download it again somewhere else...thanks :)
<trace> anyone know how to fix ths error: FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-19-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device
<trace> trace@blackie:~$
<trace> ?
<crimsun> trace: need _much_ more info.
<mzinz> Kyral, I know, that link has a link to it but im not sure how to get it to DL right
<Metaltron> Does anyone know how to make a hard drive stop shutting itself down after an hour or so of use? There's no options in the Power Management about it.
<trace> crimsun: hello you were helping me this morning
<crimsun> trace: no recollection, sorry. Very poor memory, too many things to do at once.
<Kyral> mzinz: download the DebPack and install it
<braniff> how do i make a script run last at boottime in breezy ?????
<bimberi> Metaltron: a setting in the bios perhaps?
<Joetheodd> Is there a version of ubuntu available that's bleeding-edge and needs testing?
<crimsun> "dapper"
<trace> I'm getting no sound on a ibm600e
<blair> will it be fairly easy to upgrade from badger to dapper? its just an apt-get to do it right?
<bimberi> !tell Joetheodd about dapper
<Metaltron> bimberi: it has been disabled for a looong time in bios
<crimsun> trace: is snd-cs46xx loaded?
<bimberi> Metaltron: kk
<crimsun> trace: guess not. Ok, did you pass the correct params to modprobe?
<Joetheodd> Thanks bimberi
<trace> crimsun: no ts not
<bimberi> Joetheodd: np :)
<Joetheodd> bimberi, when it comes out will it be stable enough to use as a desktop OS for a power user?
<liquidboy> ive installed fsviewer, but when i type "fsviewer" in a terminal, i come up with "fsviewer warning: ICONDIR not found: /usr/GNUstep/Apps/FSViewer.app
<liquidboy> "
<bimberi> Joetheodd: absolutely
<trace> crimsun: how do i pass params to modprobe?
<x`y`-xy> how can delete a directory in linux pls
<Jeffrae> hi All
<ron_> rm
<bimberi> x`y`-xy: rmdir (if it's empty) rm -r (if it's not)
<Jeffrae> rm
<blair> bimberi, its possible to upgrade from badger to dapper right? im not going to have to reinstall?
<x`y`-xy> thx
<bimberi> blair: yes you will.  In fact a "dist-upgrader" app is being tested for just that purpose ...
<bimberi> !tell blair about upgrade
<nalioth> blair: debian based linux distros are all able to upgrade seamlessly
<blair> thanks a lot
<crimsun> trace: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 isapnp=0 [..] 
<bimberi> blair: yw :)
<RememberPOL> Hey does anyone know any really good FAX sending software?
<trace>  crimsun: one sec
<trace> crimsun:  I get  Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-19-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device
<crimsun> trace: did you unload snd_cs46xx first?
<trace> crimsun: how do I do that?
<crimsun> sudo modprobe -r snd_cs46xx
<Jeffrae> hi
<Jeffrae> has anyone here messed with lirc?
<trace> crimsun: one sec
<sean> is slackware in the synaptic?
<pvd2006> How can you get firestarter to run automatically on Ubuntu even after restarting? I am using a PPPOE ADSL connection.
<Jeffrae> why do I need to compile the modules?  That also involves downloading the latest kernel source and etc
<TR30> pvd2006, firestarter had an autostart option
<TR30> had/has
<trace> crimsun: stll get same erroe
<juztin> sean, are you serious?
<crimsun> trace: expected
<sean> wha
<BadMuthaPhucka> juztin, i think sean is really clueless
<pvd2006> sean, slackware is a different linux operating system than Ubuntu.
<juztin> lol
<BadMuthaPhucka> sean.. you want to install slackware using synaptic?
<sean> haha right
<corvax> working
<corvax> ty
<BadMuthaPhucka> oh man... that is so fn pathetic...
<sean> i thought it was a window manager sry
<BadMuthaPhucka> that should go to bash.org
<juztin> sean, if you didnt know that....you might wanna steer _way_ clear of slackware :D
<bimberi> !conduct
<ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
<BadMuthaPhucka> someone please post that...
<juztin> BadMuthaPhucka, don't be insulting...he's new
<TR30> pvd2006, also firestarter runs in the background automatically during boot.. just because not user interface is present doesn't mean its not running
<BadMuthaPhucka> juztin, .. insulting? what did I say?
<pvd2006> tr30, do you know the process name? I used ps -e and I didnt see it
<juztin> BadMuthaPhucka, pathetic...that's kinda mean :)
<crimsun> trace: pastebin ``cat /sys/devices/pnp0/00:05/resources''
<BadMuthaPhucka> oh...
<TR30> pvd2006, try ps -A | grep firestarter
<pvd2006> alright thanks
<juztin> we were all n00bs once lol
<crimsun> trace: also pastebin ``cat /sys/devices/pnp0/00:06/resources''
<IamEthos> okay
<BadMuthaPhucka> must have been my evil finger typing...
<juztin> actually...i'm still pretty n00b
<IamEthos> I still can't write to my linux partition unless I open it from the System->Administration->Disks menu
<pvd2006> tr30, nothing showed up.
<BadMuthaPhucka> so it appears
<IamEthos> if I just browse to it
<IamEthos> using the places menu, for example
<IamEthos> it won't let me open or write files
<BadMuthaPhucka> IamEthos, .. you have a linux partition marked read-only?
<TR30> pvd2006, did you set firestarter to start automatically in options?
<trace> crimsun: paste into term?
<pvd2006> let me check
<DaneeBoy> another quick newbie questions.. I've tried making opera the default for links.. Firefox is still handling them..In the default apps I've put opera %s do I need to drop the %s?
<IamEthos> nope
<crimsun> trace: type those commands in a term, paste the output on pastebin
<IamEthos> at least not that I chose to do
<IamEthos> I created the partition with partition magic
<Jeffrae> how safe is it to compile a kernel module for a newbie?
<IamEthos> and installed ubuntu to it
<IamEthos> I can write to it
<Jeffrae> I need a piece of software that is only offered in source
<TR30> Danee, right click a URL and select properties then goto the menu "open with"
<pastyhermit> Jeffrae, not at all
<crimsun> Jeffrae: it should be fairly straight-forward if the source supports module-assistant
<BadMuthaPhucka> Jeffrae, shouldnt be a problem
<IamEthos> but not by clicking places->computer->file system
<pastyhermit> Jeffrae, what is it
<trace> crimsun: says  : state = active
<trace> io 0x60-0x60
<trace> io 0x64-0x64
<trace> irq 1
<IamEthos> like you would expect
<Jeffrae> lirc-modules-source
<DaneeBoy> Thax, tr30
<OpopanaxGentoo> hello, all, is this the right place for ubuntu support?
<crimsun> trace: is that for 5 or 6?
<IamEthos> I have to go to system->administration->disks, then select the disk and click browse
<trace> crimsun: 5
<pastyhermit> Jeffrae, you should be able to compile it without recompiling your kernel
<Jeffrae> pastyhermit, lirc-modules-source
<TR30> sure thing OpopanaxGentoo
<Jeffrae> ok
<OpopanaxGentoo> looks like it.
<BadMuthaPhucka> IamEthos, check /etc/fstab and edit it accordingly
<trace> crimsun:  state = active
<trace> irq 12
<trace> crimsun: for 6
<Jeffrae> pastyhermit, does it just need the kernel source for some includes or something?
<OpopanaxGentoo> i'm an experienced linux user, but I'm trying to get the linuxant modem driver installed for a friend
<pvd2006> tr30, there we go... I had it only checked on start on program startup, lol. So now it should work all the time.
<jacob_> is a .deb file like a compressed file or something?
<crimsun> trace: ok, try this: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-unload
<TR30> pvd2006, yes.. it should work
<BadMuthaPhucka> jacob... it's an installer file
<OpopanaxGentoo> the cnxtinstall.run file keeps exiting out saying that "elif" is an unexpected token.
<jacob_> how do i install it?
<BadMuthaPhucka> jacob.. it contains a script that knos how to install an app..
<bimberi> !deb
<ubotu> To install a .deb file: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb  (but note that the program you want might be installable using !apt from the !repos)
<BadMuthaPhucka> jacob... either by console ... dpkg -i <package.deb>
<BadMuthaPhucka> or use nautilus...
<OpopanaxGentoo> I tried getting rid of the offending lines in the bash script, but, of course, the md5sum doesn't work, and the script exits out because I changed it.
<pvd2006> tr30, I notice that my friend can run nmap on me and see my open ports still using the -P0 option with nmap. Is there a way to block that you know of?
<Francisco> hello wverybody
<michael> what's the pastebin link?
<trace> crimsun:  get this invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/alsa not found.
<crimsun> trace: are you using dapper?
<trace> crimsun: yes
<IamEthos> what am I looking for?
<crimsun> trace: pastebin the output from ``lsmod''
<OpopanaxGentoo> he's using 32-bit breezy
<crimsun> !tell trace about pastebin
<TR30> pvd2006, probably tell firestarter to block all ICMP ports
<Francisco> when I red the ifconfig of mu lan say that my radio is off. how can I turn on this??
<IamEthos> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0       1
<IamEthos> that's the line
<michael> !tell michael about pastebin
<OpopanaxGentoo> the funny thing is that I used this same darned script on another breezy install, and i just don't get it.
<Jeffrae> has anyone here compiled lirc modules before??
<TR30> pvd2006, but that's just an educated guess
<michael> WHAT IS THE PASTEBIN LINK??????
<tristanmike> !pastebin
<ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
<Francisco> when I red the ifconfig of mu lan say that my radio is off. how can I turn on this??
<tristanmike> !tell michael about caps
<pvd2006> tr30, thanks ill test it.
<tristanmike> !caps
<ubotu> caps is, like, FYI, typing in ALL CAPS is considered to be 'yelling', and therefore rude behaviour.
<IamEthos> this line is in fstab for the hard drive that I have linux installed on
<IamEthos> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0       1
<IamEthos> is that a problem?
<michael> Don't tell me about caps, tell me about pastebin
* OpopanaxGentoo wonders if there's a breezy .deb for this thing....
<crimsun> michael: it was told to you multiple times.
<michael> where?
<abhorsen> ok, im going to ask a question.  when I am on terminal, I try to execute a jar file, and it says unable to execute a bianary file. . . whats wrong?
<crimsun> in private query, in the channel, just read, man.
<Jeffrae> I can seam to find any instruction for lirc-modules and ubuntu?  I have just started out by downloading the kernel source
<TR30> pvd2006, sorry that probably wont work.. misunderstood your quesetion. Is your friend on the same network as you?
<IdleOne> Jeffrae, I dont know if this is what your looking for but it is in the repos : lirc-modules-source
<michael> ok, found it... sorry
<pvd2006> tr30, no
<pvd2006> he isnt
<Jeffrae> IdleOne, I got that
<Jeffrae> IdleOne, I just don't know how to go about compiling it
<IdleOne> Jeffrae, sudo apt-get install lirc-modules-source  will install it for you
<Francisco> when I red the ifconfig of mu lan say that my radio is off. how can I turn on this??
<Francisco> when I red the ifconfig of mu lan say that my radio is off. how can I turn on this??
<crimsun> trace: please hurry, I have to leave in 6 minutes
<Jeffrae> no it just put the source in my usr/src/ di
<Jeffrae> dir
<IdleOne> !tell Francisco about patience
<bthornton> Is there anything wrong with/Is it a bad idea to change the gid of a group name by manually editing /etc/group ?
<Jeffrae> IdleOne, Doing that just put some source in my usr/src/modules/lirc dir
<TR30> pvd2006, there isn't any way to stealth open ports. Sorry for the lag
<bthornton> All I'm trying to change is the gid number--not the name.
<abhorsen> can someone answer my question?? I dont have much time. . .
<trace> crimsun: did you get it?
<IdleOne> Jeffrae, sorry I dont know how it works just know that it's there :/
<crimsun> trace: url?
<pvd2006> Oh ok, that is what I Thought:-\
<Jeffrae> its cool
<trace> i used that thing you sent me
<Jeffrae> IdleOne, thanks... I wish that was all I had to do hehe.. This bad boy needs to be compiled for some reason..
<pvd2006> tr30, I only have one port called RPCBIND open, I dont think that is dangerous.
<trace> patebin
<IdleOne> Jeffrae, try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic about compiling that
<Jeffrae> ok
<crimsun> trace: next time please tell me the url, thanks
<nazty> hi
<IamEthos> can anyone tell me what this means?
<IamEthos> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0       1
<Francisco> when I red the ifconfig of mu lan say that my radio is off. how can I turn on this??
<nazty> how do i change the background color in gnome terminal?
<trace> crimsun: where does it say url at?
<crimsun> trace: the url is the actual URL in your Web browser's location box
<Francisco> my lan has txpower off and the radio off too how can I turn it on.??
<Francisco> my lan has txpower off and the radio off too how can I turn it on.??
<trace> crimsun: ooo  ok  ott it
<seekr> abhorsen - don't know the details, but *.jar files are java-runtimes, i think, so you can't just execute them like a.outs
<TR30> nazty, right click the terminal screen edit profile
<_nano_> Hi I want to install Gnome 2.14 on my breezy badger. How do I do that?
<crimsun> trace: try this in a terminal: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 isapnp=0
<abhorsen> ok, thanks
<nazty> oh ok thanks TR
<saif> hello, can i change the name of my wireless interface from eth1 to wlan0?
<_nano_> Has any one installed Gnome 2.14?
<nazty> TR: can i make it translucent?
<nazty> i got it thanks
<morfeus> 00:AA:CA:45:D8:29  <--this is the correct syntax with colon every two character, now how do i check if in one-liner command that is has the right colon placed and no other non-alphanumeric written?
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10606
<mark105> im trying to get ubuntu running on a compaq smart array but cant get it to boot from it
<TR30> nazty, try xfce4-terminal too.. has lots of cool features
<nazty> so its better the gterm?
<OpopanaxGentoo> yo britches
<nazty> i heard eterm was good
<IamEthos> can anyone help me with something?
<IamEthos> I don't think it will take long...
<TR30> nazty, my favorite is xterm... better is relative to what your want ( at the time your during it ) :-D
<Francisco> my lan has txpower off and the radio off too how can I turn it on.??
<Francisco> my lan has txpower off and the radio off too how can I turn it on.??
<Francisco> my lan has txpower off and the radio off too how can I turn it on.??
<Francisco> my lan has txpower off and the radio off too how can I turn it on.??
<Francisco> my lan has txpower off and the radio off too how can I turn it on.??
<IdleOne> !ops
<ubotu> Help! lilo, fabbione, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob or Hobbsee
<OpopanaxGentoo> Britches is the dude i'm helping with the modem--i found the .deb for him, we'll see if that works.
<crimsun> Francisco: dude, chill
<nazty> hehehe true
<benplaut> Francisco: don't do that
<michael> how do I put the output of a command into a file
<_frank> michael: command > filename
<NickGarvey> command > file.txt
<nazty> is there a key bind for run?
<NickGarvey> nazty: alt f2
<nazty> cool
<matsur> hi all, when i connect my ipod via firewire now it doesnt mount
<matsur> it used to in the past
<nazty> wow the color is ugly in term's
<pvd2006> is there anything new in gnome 2.14 to upgrade it from 2.12?
<pvd2006> important enough
<mark105> any one got ubuntu on a raided box?
<MikeStyle> hey guys can i get someone's sources.list that has alot of good apps on it including fluxbox?
<_nano_> there are significant performance improvements
<nazty> TR: anyway to fix the color so its thin?
<_nano_> at least that's what I read
<_nano_> never tried it
<IdleOne> !tell MikeStyle about easysource
<nalioth> Francisco: please don't do that.
<pvd2006> hmmm
<benplaut> pvd2006: not really, but from breezy to dapper? definately, once it's released
<crimsun> trace: please pastebin ``cat /sys/devices/pnp0/00:05/resources     cat /sys/devices/pnp0/00:06/resources
<crimsun> [edit] 
<MikeStyle> idleOne...im not interested in creating my own, i just need the repo deb line for fluxbox
<_nano_> pvd2006, check this url http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-14/
<matsur> hmmm the ipod isnt showing up in /dev but it is charging
<IamEthos> can anyone tell me what this fstab entry means
<pvd2006> nano_, thanks
<IamEthos> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0       1
<pvd2006> Benplaut, Ill check t hat out
<nalioth> MikeStyle: flux is in the repos
<IdleOne> MikeStyle, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fluxbox
<MikeStyle> nalioth its not showing up in synaptic
<ladofnod> mp4 video codec help?
<nalioth> ladofnod: ask a question
<nalioth> MikeStyle: /msg ubotu info fluxbox
<Mischevious> is smp kernel better for a celeron 1ghz
<Mischevious> ?
<Mischevious> i know it runs great on my 3ghz p4 /w ht.
<nalioth> Mischevious: smp kernels are for dual core or dual processor machines
<ladofnod> nalioth: i've tried about everything i can to play mp4 in gxine or mplayer. what can you suggest to get it up and running?
<nalioth> ubotu: tell ladofnod about restricted
<trace> crimsun: takes me to a ">" prompt
<Mischevious> nalioth, oh, but it says celeron
<crimsun> trace: you're missing the closing ''
<mark105> help with compaq smart array please, box wont boot from it cause it loads the kernel but sez the device doesnt exist
<crimsun> trace: I'll be back in 15 minutes
<Mischevious> nalioth, they don't have dual core celeron's i don't think ..?
<trace> crimsun: ok
<nalioth> Mischevious: unless you are running a dualcore proc or have 2 procs on the mobo, you don't need smp
<Mischevious> nalioth, okay
<nathanj> OH NOES! http://nathan.bur.st/s1.jpg
<Grark> Having problem playing streams in rythmbox.  www.9412.com specifically.
<Grark> "unexpected end of stream"
<Grark> works in VLC though
<Hexidigital> !splash screen
<ubotu> Hexidigital: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<Grark> but then I can't select the default sound device being my usb headset :\
<pvd2006> whats the best way to update Gnome in Ubuntu?
<Mischevious> Grark, set it in alsamixer
<IdleOne> !tell Hexidigital about usplash
<Jeffrae> is it just me or ar eubuntu forums always down for upgrading? :)
<Grark> ok Mischevious where is alsamixer?
<Hexidigital> thanks Idleone
<SysFail> anybody have a link to the Automatix script thing??
<IdleOne> Hexidigital, yup
<nalioth> pvd2006: pay attention to it, it'll tell you when there is updates
<IdleOne> !automatix
<nalioth> !automatix
<ubotu> rumour has it, automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
<_frank> Jeffrae: they are now but it's the first time I notice
<Grark> :)
<Jeffrae> ahh last time I tried lookign up lirc stuff it was down
<SysFail> cant find it anyplace since the forums are down
<_frank> SysFail: Easyubuntu is a safer idea
<Jeffrae> Oh well
<IdleOne> !tell SysFail about easyubuntu
<SysFail> ok
<jayg> is dapper stable enough to install on hd?
<Jeffrae> !tell jeffrae about easyubuntu
<jayg> as my soundcard works on it!
<perezidentt> can anyone recomend a good video editing software?
<NickGarvey> Jeffrae: use /msg ubotu <command> instead
<Jeffrae> just foudn that out :)
<Grark> got it
<nathanj> !easyubunutu
<ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nathanj
<nalioth> !tell nathanj about msg the bot
<arrinmurr> perezidentt: i guess cinelerra is best there is
<nathanj> :P
<GUIPEnguin> easyubuntu? how much easre can it get? lol
<IdleOne> nathanj, /msg ubotu easyubntu   < notice the correct spelling :P
<IdleOne> lmao
<IdleOne> I typoed
<nathanj> yeh
<IdleOne> well you know what I meant
<IamEthos> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0       1
<IamEthos> ^ can anyone help me with that?
<_jason> IdleOne: nice one :)
<MikeStyle> hey guys, just installed fluxbox and my menu isnt configured...whats the menu configuration command?
<nathanj> my life is over http://nathan.bur.st/s1.jpg
<juztin> how do i unmount my cdrom?
<IdleOne> _jason, I try. I dont always succeed but I try
<Grark> alsamixer is up...how do I switch devices?
<nalioth> MikeStyle: alacarte
<MikeStyle> alacarte?
<nalioth> !alacarte
<ubotu> Alacarte Menu Editor is an easy-to-use menu editor for GNOME. Older versions were called smeg. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/alacarte/
<OpopanaxGentoo> you still here, Britches ?
<bimberi> alacarte for flux?
<_jason> MikeStyle: you have to edit ~/.fluxbox/menu
<MikeStyle> nalioth...it doesnt need an editor,..its suppose to configure automatically like it did last time
<nalioth> MikeStyle: what exactly are you after?
<MikeStyle> nalioth just need my apps
<MikeStyle> _jason i didnt have to do that before...
<AngryElf> what's a single command to play a dvd in xine?
<MikeStyle> my last install of flux went perfect
<nalioth> MikeStyle: fluxbox menus are text documents
<NickGarvey> nathanj: is that windows I see?!?!
<nazty> did anyone see novell linux 10 XGL?
<_jason> MikeStyle: oh, maybe there is some app.  That's how i always do it
<jayg> is dapper stable enough to install on hd ?
<nalioth> jayg: wait for the Release Candidate
<MikeStyle> _jason maybe it last time picked up my blackbox config file...this time i dont have blackbox or openbox installed...could that be it?
<jayg> in june?
<Fracture> nalioth: when is the release candidate coming out ?
<juztin> how do i unmount my cdrom?
<nalioth> jayg: no, the RC should be out in late april or early may
<IamEthos> anyone?
<jayg> breezy hates my system, latest release actually works with everything, which im amazed at
<NickGarvey> umount /location_of_cd
<_jason> MikeStyle: if you have the debian menu then your fluxbox menu should have all your apps that the debian menu has
<NickGarvey> !fstab
<ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
<_jason> MikeStyle: at least I think that is how it works
<MikeStyle> _jason i dont have anything except xterm, restard, and exit in my menu
<NickGarvey> !tell IamEthos about partitions
<dgriffin> i'm running dapper for the newer apps and thus far have experienced only minor problems, nothing even worth mentioning
<nalioth> MikeStyle: install "menu"
<MikeStyle> brb ill restart really quick
<jayg> seems to be running fine here so far from live cd
<bhursey> how long are the forums down for?
<michael> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10609
<_jason> MikeStyle: install the package nalioth mentioned and then regenerate the fluxbox menu
<jayg> ok it crashed when i changed the hz on the display, but thats it
<juztin> how do i unmount my cdrom?
<nalioth> bhursey: join #ubuntuforums and ask
<bhursey> sudo umount /dev/cdrom
<juztin> ty bhursey
<bhursey> =)
<bimberi> juztin: another method - right-click on its icon and select eject
<bhursey> or that
<juztin> i don't have an icon, i'm running xfce...but thanks anyway :)
<bhursey> sorry im old school
<bimberi> juztin: kk :)
<nathanj> NickGarvey: im @ work
<bhursey> ya juztin use the unmout comand
<Grark> anyone know how to install all the codecs for rythmbox?
<IamEthos> NickGravey
<bhursey> say you have a dvd it could be mapted to /dev/dvd
<Jeffrae> Has anyone here used lirc?
<juztin> bhursey, done...wokred....good lookin out, thanks :)
<IamEthos> umm
<michael> I want to put the ./configure output into a file, how do I do that?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10609          ?????????
<bimberi> !tell Grark about restricted
<IamEthos> but what does the line in there mean?
<bhursey> normaly the is a symbolic link from /dev/cdrom->/dev/dvd
<NickGarvey> IamEthos: in where
<crimsun> trace: back. Got the output?
<nalioth> michael: ./configure > filename
<MikeStyle> huh wierd,,...openbox shows a menu but fluxbox doesnt
<IamEthos> in fstab
<bhursey> juztin: glad I could help
<IamEthos> user_xattr,errors=remount-ro
<trace> crimsun: yes
<IamEthos> that part of it
<n4cht> Grark,  most of them are quite illegal, so if you're inside the US, you ... well.. don't.   If you're outside the US, try automatix.
<michael> that doesn't wrk though  -->
<trace> crimsun: one sec
<Jeffrae> michael the same way you do it in MDDOS or PCDOS
<crimsun> trace: url?
<bhursey> Yo know how to munt right?
<larsemil> how do i enable my portmapper to allow other hosts then localhost?
<nalioth> n4cht: please don't do that
<michael> i've never used DOS
<nalioth> !automatix
<ubotu> automatix is, like, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
<Jeffrae> michael ok then windows
<IamEthos> also
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10608
<IamEthos> what do I have to change to prevent linux from recognizing certain partitions
<IamEthos> like my Windows partition
<Jeffrae> or AS400's QSHELL
<michael> in windows, i never needed to copy output into a file
<Jeffrae> oh ok
<_jason> MikeStyle: try running fluxbox-generate_menu
<crimsun> trace: hmm, doesn't look like it's active at all
<n4cht> nalioth, do what?
<Grark> There was another one, not automatix
<Jeffrae> why are some modules only offered as sourcE?
<nalioth> n4cht: don't recommend automatix, please
<crimsun> trace: echo 'activate' | sudo tee /sys/devices/pnp0/00:05/resources
<Grark> n4cht, my problem is with a stream off of 9412.com
<Jeffrae> to accound for differences from PCt o PC?
<Grark> so I don't see how it's illegal :)
<trace> crimsun: 1 sec
<crimsun> trace: then, echo 'activate' | sudo tee /sys/devices/pnp0/00:06/resources
<n4cht> nalioth, sure.  i'll just let everyone on the official ubuntu forums do it for me then.  ;)
<Jeffrae> Grark , because you down't own the codec..
<nalioth> n4cht: there are no official ubuntu forums.
<nazty> is there a way to stop just one of my volumes coming up on the desk top
* ubuntu loves everyone
<Jeffrae> ubuntu hates my free printer
<Grark> Jeffrae, it works fine in VLC...
* ubuntu 5.10 wonders when his big brother Dapper is going to be born
<optiq> do i have to add ntfs partitions to fstab or should ubuntu add them automatically?
<nalioth> ubotu: tell optiq about mountwindows
<IamEthos> NickGarvey (or anyone else): what does this line mean in the options column of my fstab file? user_xattr,errors=remount-ro
<talios> ubuntu, when the fetus is disease free
<Parkotron> Hello. Does anyone know where I can find the original of this video? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1165754797197197496 It's Mark Shuttleworth's speach at debconf,
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10610
* ubuntu does like Microsoft's NTFS format
<larsemil> gaaah. what have i forgotten on the clientside to get the nfs mounting working? i get like !"#%#"
<rukuartic> ubuntu: It works great on Windows >>;
<nazty> does ubuntu have another directory where icons are key?
<nazty> kept
<frank23> Parkotron: it's in the debian archives of that meeting.
<optiq> thanks
<nalioth> nazty: /usr/share/icons  or /usr/share/pixmaps
<crimsun> trace: please pastebin ``dmesg''
<nazty> thanks man
<michael> ok, here's as much as I can do...    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10612
<frank23> Parkotron: I don't remember where exactly
<trace> crimsun: do what?  sorry?
<Parkotron> Thanks, frank23. I'll see what I can find.
<crimsun> trace: type dmesg into a term, and paste the output onto the pastebin Web site
<victor-r> hello all, I have ubuntu installed in a couple of computers, I instalels postfix, but I don't seem to be able to send email, does any one have a hint?
<crimsun> trace: I really don't have much more time tonight
<pk_volt> anyone know why when I got apt-cache search amsn or wahtever, it doesn't look on teh internet?
<pk_volt> it just looks on teh harddrive
<pk_volt> do I have to set some kind of apt-get link ?
<nazty> nalioth: yeah but neither contain volume icons
<ifup> does anyone know of a way I can wall a user thats using kde for instance I ssh to the box and wall and they get the message.
<larsemil> victor-r, are u sure your isp allows smtp being used? i have to use the smtp of the isp.
<cafuego_> ubotu: shoo
<NickGarvey> !tell pk_volta about repos
<NickGarvey> whoa hey
<NickGarvey> bot is not here
<irvin> pk_volt, http://packages.ubuntu.com
<victor-r> larsemil: is there a way to find out? I think I could send emails when I had fedora, but I'm not sure..
* ubuntu killed his twin ubotu
* ubuntu smiles with an evil smile
<larsemil> victor-r, i dont know.
<cafuego_> NickGarvey: He'll be back in a minute
* cafuego_ is doing some maintenance
<michael> Please, help :'(  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10612
<rukuartic> cafuego_: You own bloot?
<NickGarvey> oh haha I didn't even notice
<perezidentt> when i try to ftp to my site it says "connection closed"
<perezidentt> perezidentt is the port blocked or what?
<NickGarvey> like I just did a search to find when the bot left
<irvin> cafuego_, is the bantracker already working/
<nazty> anyone know where ubuntu keeps its volume icons>
<olmayanaergi> hi
<Kr4t05> Does anyone know how to add commands to startup?
<victor-r> larsemil: thanks!
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10613
<pk_volt> so umm, how do i make my apt-get look on teh internet/.?
<oxez> hm, how can I prevent analog and joydev kernel modules from being loaded at boot?
<ddg_bluesky> Just a question - I tried adding an icon to the lcon list so that I can change my blue firefox icon but it won't let me add it
<_jason> ubuntu: tell pk_volt about repos
<nalioth> Kr4t05: system > preferences > session
<MikeStyle> hey whats the command to generate menu in flux?
<_jason> oh right...
<tritium> cafuego_: bantracker?
<Kr4t05> nalioth, I guess I should have asked in kubuntu. :P
<ubuntu> repos are repositories
<bhursey> Yall wana se some ubuntu wallpaers I designed.
<bhursey> ?
<_jason> pk_volt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
<SmittyINSIDE> sure
<pk_volt> thanks
<ddg_bluesky> _jason how are you doing
<pk_volt> but i need to know how to add repositories in terminal
<bhursey> My wallpaers http://flickr.com/photos/bhursey/sets/72057594087373637/
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: hello
<pk_volt> because i can't log into X
<_jason> pk_volt: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
<olmayanaergi> i have a turkish q keyboard bu i cant use my local letters
<ddg_bluesky> _jason how do I change my firefox icon
<pk_volt> thanks
<cafuego_> tritium: over the months, mysql has gone a bit wonky, ubotus tables are partially corrupted, just did a dump & import to recreate 'em
<crimsun> trace: are you _positive_ you disabled quick/easy boot?
<cafuego_> !test
<ubotu> Failed.
<trace> crimsun: yes 100% sure
<cafuego_> !goo'boy
<ubotu> Aww, thanks dad.
<trace> crimsun: and i did the init too
<Mischevious> wow
<Mischevious> just found a great script
<rukuartic> cafuego_: Wanna hear my weird and strange mysql story?
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: I'm not sure... /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png maybe
<Consty> Whenever I update my repositories the multiverse that is in the default breezy install always receives 0 packages.  Has the site for the multiverse changed to pull packages from?
<Mischevious> but if i pasted it here i'd get banned :-D
<rukuartic> !paste
<ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
<ubuntunooby> ummm hello?
<iGotNoTime> What is the easiest way to get a graphical wifi widget to my desktop on my laptop?
* ubuntu does not like it that his twin is back
<crimsun> trace: pastebin ``lsmod'', please
<ddg_bluesky> _jason do I need to replace that file?
<MikeStyle> whats the fluxbox generate menu command?
<ubuntunooby> ok i guess i just jump right in here?
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: what icon exactly do you want to change?
<_jason> MikeStyle: try running fluxbox-generate_menu
<pk_volt> uyumm
<pk_volt> are all the repository links down or something
<pk_volt> i get error messages when i do a apt-cache search amsn or whatevver
<ddg_bluesky> _jason the blue firefox icon
<pk_volt> says like no such file or directory
<MikeStyle> _jason:
<Consty> pk_volt: I'm having a problem with updating my repository.. multiverse to be exact
<_jason> pk_volt: you ran 'sudo apt-get update' after editing the file?
<ubuntunooby> how do i get the ubuntu cd to install on my system and replace my fedora system when the cd wont boot?
<pk_volt> oops
<MikeStyle> _jason command not found
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10617
<larsemil> i have problems getting my rpcservices to work...
<_jason> MikeStyle: I compiled fluxbox so maybe it is different for the repo version.  try typing fluxbox<tab>
<_jason> MikeStyle: there is usually a menu option somewhere too
<bhursey> ubuntunoobody do you have the cdrom as your first boot device?
<trace> crimsun: want me to check for quick boot just to make sure?
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: I believe you can just replace that icon
<Consty> _jason: I'm actually having a similar problem, in the breezy install the multiverse repository isn't updating any packages.. it always receives 0k
<thomas`> i have a question i  installed ubuntu 5.10 i had 32bit xp deleted itoff to save space got rid of that aprtition but i got a 64bit xp installation thats still on my comp why didnt grub pick that up? now only ubuntu shows up in the list
<_jason> Consty: do you get errors on apt-get update?
<crimsun> trace: yes, please.
<ubuntunooby> yes i have it as my first boot device but it still wont boot from it all i get is my fedora boot loader
<crimsun> trace: I only have ~10 more minutes
<thomas`> anyone know how i would get back into my xp install?
<trace> crimsun: ok brb
<pk_volt> thomas
<bhursey> taht od
<IamEthos> is it normal that I shouldn't have permission to write to most folders outside of my home folder by default?
<mattwestm> how do I install just grub from the CD?
<bhursey> does it give you the option to hit any key to boot to cdrom
<bhursey> ?
<MikeStyle> _jason...no menu config...at all. ok to my memory there is suppose to be a fluxbox-conf file i have to install but its not in synaptic
<_jason> IamEthos: yes
<ubuntunooby> nope sure dont
<mcrummey> hey I have a question on an error I got often
<bimberi> ubuntunooby: can you boot from other CDs?
<CurtisB> thomas` do you have a boot disk?
<pk_volt> thomas- try going into the windows recovery mode
<mcrummey> when I try to install stuff
<IamEthos> oh
<thomas`> thatwould work?
<Consty> _jason: Hmm now that pulled some stuff
<pk_volt> and once u get in, try typing in :fixboot
<j3r> Hi, I have been searching google for quite some time now and I have a problem with getting Direct Rendering to work under Breezy.  I use the i810 driver and I get ERROR! sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver.  Has anyone found a solution to this problem ?
<IamEthos> do I not want to write to anything more than my home folder?
<ubuntunooby> yes bimberi i can boot from the ubuntu live cd just not the install cd
<thomas`> go in windows recovery mode then what?
<IamEthos> what about folders on other drives?
<bhursey> ya if you had like a win98 boot disk
<mcrummey>  Loading dependency "OpenGL.GL" failed: No module named OpenGL.GL
<bhursey> that should workj
<bimberi> ubuntunooby: could be a bad cd then :/
<Jaga> I have a problem with sound. my sound support works (totem/xmms) but gnome events sounds don't.. any ideas?
<bhursey> ya bad cd sounds like the prob
<ubuntunooby> should i reburn the image? and see if it works differently?
<bhursey> yes
<ddg_bluesky> _jason when I move the file into the directory I get you do not have permission to write to this folder
<pk_volt> awww man
<ubuntunooby> ok will do thanks for your help
<CurtisB> Jaga - did you check your settings in Preferences - Multimedia Selector?
<pk_volt> the forums are down
<bhursey> burn it at a slow spped just in case
<ubuntunooby> ok thanks
<bhursey> the forms hsould be back up in about 1 houer..
<bhursey> or so
<_jason> ubotu: tell ddg_bluesky about sudo
<bhursey> I asked PoofyHairGuy
<maning> hi! how do I change my proxy settings for my apt via the root shell.  My GDm failed and I need to update packages to get it running again.  Using breezy.
<_jason> ubotu: tell ddg_bluesky about cli
<Consty> _jason: I enabled the multiverse in synaptic, but mplayer isn't showing up?
<Jaga> CurtisB: yeah, what should it be? it's set to OSS atm, the test sound works
<_jason> ubotu: tell Consty about mplayer
<_jason> Consty: does mplayer-386 show up?
<nazty> how do i start my samba server
<CurtisB> Jaga - what are the settings in Preferences - Sound
<ddg_bluesky> _jason so what would the command be for replacing this icon?
<mcrummey> I keep getting the following error when I try to run or install items
<mcrummey>  Loading dependency "OpenGL.GL" failed: No module named OpenGL.GL
<mcrummey> do I need to apt-get something?
<Consty> _jason, negative
<IamEthos> will a driver for Red Hat Linux work with Ubuntu?
<Jeffrae> H, are there any lirc users here?
<Jaga> CurtisB: sound server startup: on, enable sounds: on
<bimberi> maning: export http_proxy=http://user:pass@address.of.proxy:port
<cafuego> IamEthos: Not without recompiling it
<Jaga> CurtisB, sounds for events I meant. both on anyway
<maning> bimberi: thanks!
<Consty> _jason: I followed the directions for enabling the multiverse and universe repositories.. and update the repositories, but still nothing shows up for mplayer
<IamEthos> yuck
<bimberi> maning: yw :)
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: sudo mv /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png_backup && sudo mv /path/to/your/new/icon/here /usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png
<CurtisB> Jaga - okay - if you use the SOund Events tab, select a sound, and Play, do you hear it or get any error?
<cafuego> yuck?
<IamEthos> where would I go to try to find a USB driver for my wifi card?
<nalioth> ubotu: tell Consty about mplayer
<Hexidigital> _jason, i had problems with mplayer also, Consty, try installing Xine
<_jason> Consty: please put /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
<cafuego> IamEthos: depends on the controller/chipset
<IamEthos> broadcom
<Jaga> CurtisB, I hear nothing, but there is no error either
<cafuego> IamEthos: specific version?
<Consty> Hexidigital: i dont care for xine though :P
<boo> hey everyone. Im trying to automount an ntfs partition, and was wondering if when im using "/dev/hda1    /media/windows ntfs  nls=utf8,umask=0222 0    0"  does it need to be hda, or hdd, and when im mounting my slave, sda or sdd
<Hexidigital> consty, me either :) but until i get mplayer, i'm stuck
<Consty> Hexidigital: xine is there,
<IamEthos> M4479
<CurtisB> Jaga - okay, I'm stumped -- xmms works, test works in the multimedia selector, your settings in Sound seem good, but no event sounds... Can anyone help Jaga on that, it's beyond my expertise
<mcrummey> I keep getting the following error when I try to run or install items
<mcrummey>  Loading dependency "OpenGL.GL" failed: No module named OpenGL.GL
<IamEthos> that's the dell part number anyway
<mcrummey> Can someone help me?
<IamEthos> broadcom mini pci card
<Joetheodd> How do I install Sun Java?
<Jaga> CurtisB, hehe thanks anyway. It worked when I installed ubuntu. I wish I could remember what I did to screw it up :)
<_jason> ubotu: tell Joetheodd about java
<cafuego> what do you need usb for then?
<Consty> Hexidigital: I'm wondering if mplayer was removed from multiverse
<Eleaf> hm hmmm
* Eleaf yawns.
<Joetheodd> thanks _jason
<Joetheodd> !javadebs
<CurtisB> Joetheodd - the latest version or the ubuntu distro package?
<Hexidigital> consty, i'm not sure... but i had all of the 'verse's enabled
<cafuego> Dell M4479. Mini-PCI Wireless Broadcom BCM94306MPSG ?
<CurtisB> Jaga - I hear ya,, ben there!
<_jason> Hexidigital: post your /etc/apt/sources.list too if you can't find mplayer
<Hexidigital> _jason, on here?
<Joetheodd> CurtisB, latest version
<_jason> Hexidigital: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, then just give me a link
<Consty> _jason: will do
<Hexidigital> ok
<cafuego> IamEthos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
<CurtisB> Joetheodd - I assume you want plain vanilla? or do you need enterprise or the mobile devices version?
<osz> hi
<maning> Ubuntu forums down? it says "We will be back shortly after our maintenance is complete."
<cafuego> maning:  moving servers
<trace> crimsun: you were right it was enabled sorry
<osz> i would like to know how to manually set ubuntu to mount a filesystem ?
<crimsun> trace: ok, whew.
<ddg_bluesky> _jason I still got a permission error
<trace> crimsun: still no sound
<maning> cafuego: any ideas when it will be back
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: what does 'sudo echo hi' do?
<crimsun> trace: what command did you try?
<Hexidigital> _jason, do i use my name or type your name?
<_jason> Hexidigital: whatever you prefer
<coz> anyone here know of a good OCR app for ubuntu/
<Consty> _jason: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10618
<ddg_bluesky> _jason prints hi
<trace> crimsun: I didn't try any
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: paste the exact command you used
<Hexidigital> ok, i'll put my name, _jason... give you the url?
<trace> crimsun: what sould i try?
<thomas`> would i need a 64bit xp boot cd to get back into my 64bit partition? i only have a 32bit xp will that be enuff to get me back in?
<_jason> Hexidigital: nod
<thomas`> trying to get back into 64bit xp
<crimsun> trace: echo 'activate' | sudo tee /sys/devices/pnp0/00:0[56] /resources
<osz> does any1 know how to manually set ubuntu to mount a filesystem on startup ?
<CurtisB> I can say that I tried gocr todsay and was not very impressed.. that's all Ive tried
<Joetheodd> Someone remind me how to install a downloaded deb file? Forgot, lol
<Fujitsu> sudo dpkg -i package.dev, Joetheodd.
<Mischevious> whats the best remote desktop software
<Mischevious> ?
<ohgoof> thomas`: define 'get into'  ?
<Joetheodd> thanks fujitsu
<tapox> How do I install Java?
<thomas`> i want to boot up my 64bit windows
<Joetheodd> !tell tapox about java
<ohgoof> Mischevious: ssh + whatever vnc you like, imho.
<thomas`> i installed ubuntu deleting my 32bit xp partition to make more space for my linux
<_jason> Consty: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list     and everywhere you see ``universe'' by itself on a line, change it to ``universe multiverse'' then hit ctrl-o to save and ctrl-x to exit
<thomas`> and kept my 64bit xp
<_jason> ubotu: tell Hexidigital about mplayer
<trace> crimsun: says the device is busy
<IamEthos> cafuego: thanks I appreciate the help
<IamEthos> alright
<Mischevious> ohgoof, i have ssh, how do you use ssh with remote desktop?
<IamEthos> off to work time
<thomas`> i just cant boot into my xp 64bit anymore the grub loader doesnt show me it anymore
<Mischevious> ohgoof, i thought u just use remote desktop client
<_jason> Hexidigital: you should be able to find packages like mplayer-386
<thomas`> just says ubuntu in the list
<NickGarvey> !grub
<ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
<Hexidigital> _jason, i'll check it out
<ohgoof> thomas`: setup grub to point to your win32 stuff ?
<osz> hello ne1 ?
<Mischevious> !remotedesktop
<thomas`> i believe so...
<ubotu> Mischevious: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<Mischevious> !vnc
<ubotu> I heard vnc is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html, or http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html, or see 'x11vnc' (VNC server which uses your current X11 session)
<IamEthos> later everyone
<crimsun> trace: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 isapnp=0
<thomas`> if not is there a way to go bnack and recover it
<ohgood> thomas`: just take a look at your config. it should be pretty self explainitary.
<boo> Ok, im trying to mount a vista, and 2 xp partitions. whenever i try to go to an xp part. it points me to the vista one. any suggestions?
<ddg_bluesky> _jason pastbin.com/615566
<thomas`> were is it?
<Consty> _jason: Alright, trying that.. How come we have to do that manually?  You'd think it would be available in the gui like in dapper.
<NickGarvey> thomas`: /boot/grub/menu.lst
<osz> hi guys im trying to mount a filesystem to a certain directory on boot, how would i go about it ?
<ohgood> thomas`: /boot/grub/menu.list or /boot/grub/grub.conf
<_jason> Consty: you can do it in the gui.  It's just easier for me to explain this way
<NickGarvey> !tell osz about fstab
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: you missed a sudo
<thomas`> in my menu.list
<CurtisB> !tell CurtisB about java
<thomas`> dont see my xp in there at all
<Consty> _jason: I see, well it worked.. I thank ya
<thomas`> any way to get my xp install in there setup somehow?
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10620
<tapox> Is there a Java 1.5 package, or will I need to use Java 1.4?
<osz> NickGarvey: ill give it a go thx
<osz> :D
<ohgood> thomas`: of course. there are tons of examples of grub.conf 's online.
<thomas`> i see it but im not good with command lines..
<crimsun> trace: try snd-cs4232, then, with the same parameters
<Consty> _jason: I have one more question I'm curious on how to do.. if I have a ntfs partition that every time I mount I can never access unless I use sudo, how can I fix that so I can easily browse through it and such?
<sponix2ipfw> how do you set apt to use proxy ?
<_jason> ubotu: tell Consty about ntfs
<thomas`> couldnt i just up my menu.lst and grub.conf and u take a look at it for me?
<_jason> Consty: pay attention to the permissions table in the middle of the wiki page that ubotu sent you
<bimberi> tapox: 1.4 is in the ubuntu repositories.  1.5 available via...
<bimberi> !tell tapox about java
<Consty> _jason: alright great, thanks.  how is ntfs write support?  is it good or still iffy?
<_jason> Consty: not recommended
<trace> crimsun: same error
<tapox> thanks bimberi
<NickGarvey> msg ubotu pxe
<bimberi> tapox: yw :)
<cafuego> 1.6 beta is alsvia available via !java (but requires a wee bit of file modification)
<Hexidigital> _jason, but i have the multiverse enabled http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10621
<crimsun> trace: ok, please pastebin lsmod
<bimberi> cafuego: ooh thanks  (*reads*)
<_jason> Hexidigital: use synaptic or aptitude to install it and look for the right package in the mplayer wiki page
<tritium> sponix2ipfw: man apt.conf, and read /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
<sponix2ipfw> !source-o-matic
<ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
<sponix2ipfw> tritium: thanks
<Mischevious> does the ubuntu live-cd come with a vnc-viewer ???
<tritium> sponix2ipfw: sure.  The file has a nice example to follow.
<CurtisB> bye for now, good luck everyone!
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10622
<bimberi> Mischevious: i think so.  Check Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client
<ddg_bluesky> _jason thanks, I justd do sudo home/username/filename /usr/share/pixmaps/ and it worked
<poningru> hey guys I have a winxp box and an ubuntu box how do I transfer files between them?
<osz> thanks for ur help
<osz> cheers
<poningru> I want to transfer file from the win box to the ubuntu box
<Jeffrae> poningru, Samba
<thomas`> ohgood: im a complete newb, well not complete but i might need a bit of help with this grub situation mind helping me out a bit?
<NickGarvey> here thomas`I'll show you my grub config
<ohgood> thomas`: if you like
<bimberi> poningru: set up a Share on the XP box and access it via Places -> Connect to Server  on the ubuntu box
<saif> is it possible ti upgrade to switch to ubuntu64 using apt? or does it have to be a clean install?
<poningru> Jeffrae: can I acheive that by simply plugging both computers together using a network cable?
<bimberi> saif: clean install
<Mischevious> does noauto make things not mount automatically in fstab??
<boo> can someone explain this: /dev/hdd1     ntfs     23G  5.3G   17G  24% /media/windows
<boo> /dev/hdc1     ntfs     23G  5.3G   17G  24% /media/windows
<boo> /dev/hdc2     ntfs     23G  5.3G   17G  24% /media/windows
<Jeffrae> if it is a crossover cable
<saif> bimberi, :( dual boot? ubuntu and ubuntu64?
<poningru> thanks dude
<boo> mount shows 3 different, yet the same, partitions
<kirik> hi! I have a Gigabyte PS/2 Optical Mouse... it is not working in Hoary... what to do?
<poningru> brb
<bimberi> saif: yep, that would be ok
<Hexidigital> _jason, i am able to install mplayer using the advanced settings of synaptic... do you think it matters if i install 386 or 686 version?
<NickGarvey> thomas`: http://pastebin.com/615580
<kirik> Hexidigital: which is the processor on your computer?
<crimsun> trace: sudo modprobe -r snd_opl3_lib snd_hwdep snd_cs4236_lib snd_mpu401_uart snd_cs4231_lib snd_cs46xx snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer snd
<_jason> Hexidigital: don't install 686, I think you probably want 586 but check the wiki table
<saif> bimberi, cool! just need to empty a partition?
<Hexidigital> !mplayer
<ubotu> well, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
<Drac[Server] > How do I create a new user?
<Hexidigital> kirik, _jason, thanks
<boo> Excuse me, what is MTAB?
<trace> crimsun: ok nothing happend
<kirik> isn't /dev/psaux for PS/2 mice?
<EdLin> _jason, in marillat mplayer-686 is just a transitional package for mplayer-586
<johnny__> help
<_jason> EdLin: in ubuntu too
<IdleOne> !help
<bimberi> saif: yes, or the installer can resize for you (back up though) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning
<_jason> EdLin: it would work, I just don't see the point in installing it.  Do you know why?
<trace> crimsun: went to prompt
<IdleOne> johnny__, ask a question
<johnny__> ok can i ask if there is fax software for linux?
<Drac[Server] > johnny__, there is no need to ask if you are able to ask a question. :P
<EdLin> _jason, well, if you're not using aptitude, removing mplayer-686 will only remove the dummy package
<crimsun> trace: good, now sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 index=0 port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 isapnp=0
<_jason> EdLin: yeah
<boo> Excuse me, what is MTAB?
<geargolem> Hello I have the error and the line that won't let me install an exporter:  http://pastebin.com/615574
<saif> bimberi, all right! thanx!
<ddg_bluesky> _jason on a different subject how do I install apache web server
<_jason> ubotu: tell ddg_bluesky about lamp
<Drac[Server] > Um... how do I create a new user? Simple question...
<_jason> Drac[Server] : adduser foo
<IdleOne> johnny__, efax - Programs to send and receive fax messages
<IdleOne>  type : sudo apt-get install efax
<Drac[Server] > _jason, with sudo, I assume.
<neurosis_> is the quake 2 that comes in the games collection for ubuntu free and playable?
<_jason> Drac[Server] : correctly
<boo> _jason, what does this mean. mount: /dev/hdc1 already mounted or /media/windows1 busy
<boo> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc1 is mounted on /media/windows
<saif> how can i ask uboto to tell me about somethn?
<johnny__> yes thanx
<_jason> boo: it means exactly what it says :)
<NickGarvey> saif: /msg ubotu <thing>
<boo> :( whats mtab, and why arent my partitions mounting correctly
<_jason> boo: have you checked /media/windows1 to see if your stuff is there
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10623
<osz> NickGarvey: thx for ur help worked a charm with the fstab thingy  :D
<NickGarvey> no problem :)
<osz> cool cya
<osz> :)
<crimsun> trace: and now, dmesg
<boo> its not there ,_jason
<Ubeyguy> ubotu	Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<_jason> boo: check /media/windows
<Ubeyguy> is that normal?
<NickGarvey> Ubeyguy: the syntax error is a joke
<johnny__> i tried that and the downloader ask for the BB 5.10 disc i placed it in the cd tray and it keeps asking for the disc i checked to see if the cd was working and it is ?
<NickGarvey> just means he doesn't know what you asked
<bluefoxicy> ubotu sed
<IdleOne> Ubeyguy, it is if the bot doesnt know about what you asked
<ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, bluefoxicy
<boo> i was trying to mount 3 partitions, but it overlapped or something, and only mounted one. then i did sudo mount -a, and its still there
<sponix2ipfw> is there another breezy-seveas besides that .nl one, it doesn't do crap for me
<Jeffrae> WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ubuntu forums back up
<Jeffrae> WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
<Drac[Server] > Ack. How do I REMOVE a user?
<Jeffrae> WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
<ddg_bluesky> _jason that is great apache already installed in one simple command, I noticed in that link that php4 and mysql 4 are used, why not 5?
<Jeffrae> YIPPIE!!!!!!!!!
<IdleOne> !tell johnny__ about repos!
<Jeffrae> whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<Jeffrae> ubuntu forums
<Jeffrae> whoooooooooooooooooo
<bluefoxicy> someone give me sed magic:  find http://*.rpm and spit out strings that fit that...
<Jeffrae> whooooooooooooooooooooo
<Jeffrae> ok
<_jason> ddg_bluesky: php5 is in the repos, mysql5 is not
<Drac[Server] > Jeffrae, dear lord, stop! Please!
<tristanmike> !ops
<Jeffrae> i am done
<ubotu> Help! lilo, fabbione, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob or Hobbsee
<crimsun> Jeffrae: dude, CHILL.
<IdleOne> johnny__,  you need to enable universe/multiverse
<Jeffrae> ok
<Jeffrae> sorry
<Jeffrae> got exited
<Drac[Server] > exited? :P
<bimberi> if only
<_jason> Jeffrae: heh you were about to get exited
<johnny__> ???
<boo> :P way to steal my joke
<Jeffrae> excited
<NickGarvey> hahaha nice
<johnny__> more details please
<IdleOne> johnny__, look for a message from ubotu on your screen it has a link
<_jason> crimsun: update topic please?
<johnny__> ok
<johnny__> thank you
<Drac[Server] > Anyway, allow me to repeat what was lost in the flood: How do I remove a user?
<IdleOne> no problem
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10624
<_jason> Drac[Server] : deluser foo
* mode/#ubuntu [+o crimsun]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu [-o crimsun]  by crimsun
<crimsun> trace: is this a default dapper install?
<crimsun> trace: that is, you have not attempted to compile alsa on your own, etc.?
<trace> crimsun: yes
<thomas`> anyone here good with Grub i want them tolook at my menu.lst  to see if i set it up right
<trace> crimsun: no not yet
<crimsun> trace: yes it's default, or yes you have mucked with alsa?
<trace> crimsun: yes its default
<NickGarvey> thomas`: pick me
<NickGarvey> thomas`: paste bin
<mconroy> Can someone tell me where I can download the Kernel source?
<crimsun> trace: try: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 isapnp=0
<thomas`> http://pastebin.com/615599
<crimsun> mconroy: uname -r
<Jeffrae> sudo make-kpkg modules_image blows up
<ohgood> mconroy: kernel.org ?
<Jeffrae> am I doing that wrong
<Jeffrae> ?
<mconroy> ok I will try that
<crimsun> mconroy: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12
<cafuego> Jeffrae: Do you have any 3rd party module sources in /usr/src/modules ?
<silvaran> Are there any console-based network configuration tools for breezy?  I don't have X.
<mconroy> awesome
<Jeffrae> yes
<mconroy> Thx crimsun
<thomas`> do i have to have the os name correct? cuz it says microsoft xp home and im running 64bit edition does this have to be set right in order for it to boot?
<cafuego> Jeffrae: Ah ok, then either their sources are broken or you're doing something wrong.
<Jeffrae> cafuego, Yes sir
<Jeffrae> hmm
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10625
<asymmetry> mmm - countdown to dapper
<Jeffrae> trying o install lirc-modules
<Jeffrae> ever do that?
* cafuego prefers to not be referred to as sir
<cafuego> Jeffrae: Nope.
<Jeffrae> cafuego, Sorry dude...
<techwhore> anyone using dapper ?
<crimsun> trace: sudo depmod -e
<cafuego> lirc-modules-source is in Ubuntu, using that?
<Jeffrae> yes
<Jeffrae> cafuego, that is correct
<bimberi> silvaran: editing /etc/network/interfaces is probably it (with the assistance of 'man interfaces')
<silvaran> bimberi: Okie, tx
<tapox> I LOVE UBUNTU!
<bimberi> silvaran: np :)
<nalioth> techwhore: ask in #ubuntu+1
<silvaran> Thought maybe there was an ncurses-based interface, ah well
<techwhore> ever since i upgraded to dapper, nautilus (i believe gnome-volume-manager) blanks my dvd+rw when I hit eject.
<techwhore> nalioth: good call. thanks.
<trace> crimsun: ok it worked on something and came back to prompt.
<Jeffrae> do I maybe need to supply version?
<bimberi> silvaran: not to my (definitely not omnipotent) knowledge
<crimsun> trace: now retry the modprobe command
<silvaran> Mmmm... omni potent...
<trace> crimsun: which command?
<crimsun> trace: use your shell history, press the up arrow
<trace> crimsun: one sec
<bimberi> silvaran: :)
<IamEthos> okay, I don't want ubuntu to see my windows partition at all
<imperfect-> MythTv work pretty well under ubuntu
<imperfect-> ?
<IamEthos> and I don't want it to expect my usb hard drive to be present
<IamEthos> any clue where I can find out how to fix that?
<Jeffrae> oh I am missing  linux-headers source for one thing
<trace> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10626
<bimberi> Jeffrae: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<cafuego> Jeffrae: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
<Jeffrae> ok
<cafuego> and build-essential is handy too
<crimsun> trace: is this current dapper? (newer than flight 5)
<Jeffrae> the headers are needed to compile modules I take it?
<trace> crimsun: how would I find that out?
<trace> 6.0.4
<crimsun> trace: no, uname -r
<trace> cri
<trace> crimsun: 2.6.15-19-386
<crimsun> trace: ok, unload all the alsa modules again using the modprobe -r command I gave you above
<trace> crimsun: ok one sec
<Jeffrae> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
<trace> crimsun: ok
<crimsun> Jeffrae: you don't have build-essential installed?
<Jeffrae> that is where my make-dpgk modules_image goes haywire
<Jeffrae> no
<crimsun> so install it.
<Jeffrae> the instruction did ask for it
<Jeffrae> just kernel souce and linux headers
<Jeffrae> how do I get build essential?
<crimsun> sudo apt-get install build-essential, or use Synaptic
<hope> hey room
<trace> crimsun: brb
<ddg_bluesky> Man I have just had ubuntu up and running for 2 days now , and I just love how easy it is to install stuff - I just love it
<Jeffrae> thanks
<Jeffrae> this has some more source or something?
<Jeffrae> DUDES
<Jeffrae> crimsun, That helped
<Jeffrae> I wonder why the document didn't state to get this
<Jeffrae> oh well
<Jeffrae> Maybe I should write the lirc people
<bimberi> Jeffrae: is the document an ubuntu one?  if not it probably assumes that the compilers/tools/basic-libraries are already present (usually a safe assumption for linux but not for ubuntu)
<Jeffrae> make-dpgk modules_image is asking all sorts of questions not even related to my lirc module
<Jeffrae> that is the only module in etc/src/modules
<Jeffrae> /usr/src/modules
<Misnix> ls -l src/modules
<Misnix> ls -l /usr/src/modules
<Misnix> oops
<Jeffrae> just lirc is there like I said
<Jeffrae> it is asking stuff like... BSD Process Accounting (BSD_PROCESS_ACCT) [Y/n/?]  y
<tkup> I just had the scare of my life! My system freezed and on reboot, fsck fails on my reiserfs. It died asking for an fsck.reiserfs --rebuild-tree! When the rebuild finished I rebooted and every seems OK now. The hard drive is not making any funny noises or sporadically going on and off. On reboot, I check the log and I noticed two lines: Mar 21 22:01:31 localhost kernel: [4592512.405000]  ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 26708
<tkup> does not match to the expected one 1
<tkup> Mar 21 22:01:31 localhost kernel: [4592512.405000]  ReiserFS: hda1: warning: vs-5150: search_by_key: invalid format found in block 5899228. Fsck?
<thomas`> anyone here have problems using ipods on linux?
<thomas`> im trying to get some music on here.. but when i use gtkpod it doesnt show up on ipod in the music list at all
<rdw200169> you can get an ipod working, it's just a pain in the butt
<Drac[Server] > Is it possible to set an Ubuntu user up in such a way that it can't access the "preferences" and "administration" submenus within the "system" menu?
<IdleOne> !tell thomas` about ipod
<thomas`> if i upload a whole library its like not there..
<FliesLikeABrick> Drac[Server]   may I ask why?
<crimsun> trace: I need to sleep.
<Jeffrae> When compiling a module ie lirc-module how do I use the "sudo make-kpkg modules_image
<Jeffrae> " command I am asked tons and tons of questions not even related to lirc.  is there a way around this?
<Drac[Server] > FliesLikeABrick, I'm putting my school on Linux. We can't have students playing around with the system configuration. :P
<Dr_Willis> Drac[Server] ,  i Know kde has variuous Lockdown modes/methods for that.. Im thinking that Gnome does as well.
<FliesLikeABrick> Drac[Server]   its great to hear that a school is using linux ;)
<prop2> Exist some kind of "frontend" or GUI to access all documentation installed on a ubuntu system?
<FliesLikeABrick> Drac[Server]   i'll browse around for a bit and see if I come up with anything
<rdw200169> as long as the users' accounts don't have sudo access, it shouldn't be a problem
<nomasteryoda> FliesLikeABrick, there are thousands of school systems around the world switching to Linux
<nomasteryoda> it's just safer
<nomasteryoda> period.
<FliesLikeABrick> i know nomasteryoda  thats why I like hearing about more of them doing it ;)
<Drac[Server] > FliesLikeABrick, It's not on Linux just yet. This project is to convince them that they should. :)
<Dr_Willis> Exclamation Point!
<nomasteryoda> yup
<Dr_Willis> :P
<FliesLikeABrick> nomasteryoda I work at the computing helpdesk for my college.  with luck soon we're going to officially support linux (we don't even officially support macos yet)
<protocol1> does anyone know where to get a limewire ready for ubuntu?
<nomasteryoda> wow
<IamEthos> how can I make Ubuntu ignore my windows partition?
<lootpuppy> Can someone please point me to a dcent set of instructions on how to make my computer dual boot Windows XP / Ubuntu? I can find heaps for Red Hat but my GRUB appears to work differently to the one described in the instructions.
<FliesLikeABrick> protocol1  limewire is one of those pieces of software that any inteligent computer user wouldn't touch
<prop2> Exist some kind of "frontend" or GUI to access all documentation installed on a ubuntu system?
<nalioth> ubotu: tell lootpuppy about dualboot
<IdleOne> !tell lootpuppy about dualboot
<FliesLikeABrick> lootpuppy  use partition magic or some other tool to resize your ntfs partition, then just load the ubuntu CD and the rest is self explanitory
<Hexidigital> lootpuppy, you can't use partition magic if you have dynamic volumes, however
<Jeffrae> Hello has anyone here done make-kpkg modules_image
<Jeffrae>   before?
<IzeyJr> anyone using dapper yet?
<trace> crimsun: back do  need to install something to make the sound work?
<Dr_Willis> IzeyJr,   lots of people in #ubuntu+1 are
<Dr_Willis> :P
<protocol1> FliesLikeABrick, what would you reccomend for dl'ing music?
<FliesLikeABrick> lootpuppy  the ubuntu install CD detects other operating systems and loads them into grub by default
<silvaran> Any howtos for setting up breezy "server" install as a router (nat+firewall, 2 interfaces, pppoe)
<prop2> Exist some kind of "frontend" or GUI to access all documentation installed on a ubuntu system?
<Eleaf> Humm
<Eleaf> I really can't figure out this ftp problem..
<IzeyJr> lol okies its pertty stable then
<FliesLikeABrick> protocol1 I spend hours every week removing spyware and viruses from the computers of windows users that use limewire
<bimberi> Drac[Server] : have a look at pessulus and sabayon
<nalioth> prop2: point your web browser toward file:///usr/share/doc/
<crimsun> trace: no. Verify that no alsa modules are loaded: lsmod|grep ^snd
<crimsun> trace: that should return nothing
<FliesLikeABrick> protocol1 of course downloading music is not quite legal, but it is said that bit-torrent is popular enough that it works
<Hexidigital> flieslikeabrick, so that means no limewire  :)
<Drac[Server] > bimberi, what are those?
<venox> how can I make every new file inside a directory to use the chmod 550 and the group "shared"?
<crimsun> trace: and I'm very tired, and I'm going to sleep in 5 minutes.
<prop2> Exist some kind of "frontend" or GUI to access all documentation installed on a ubuntu system?
<protocol1> thanks for the information because...i never installed it on my windowx or linux.....and from what im hearing I dont think I want to
<rdw200169> who wants limewire??? just use another gnutella software... its all the same network
<trace> crimsun: yea nothng returned
<IamEthos> how can I keep ubuntu from mounting partitions on startup?
<IdleOne> !tell Hexidigital about frostwire
<Drac[Server] > gtk-gnutella. Mmmm.
<rdw200169> limewire is just a commercial front end
<Hexidigital> idleone, i didnt want it... someone else did
<FliesLikeABrick> protocol1  almost any popular windows p2p client is a bad idea
<trace> crimsun: ok ty for your help
<crimsun> trace: ok, now try ``sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx''
<rdw200169> to the gnutella network
<Hexidigital> i was only commenting
<IdleOne> Hexidigital, then tell them about it :P
<protocol1> ok...i got ya
<FliesLikeABrick> yeah, sorry protocol1  that i couldn't suggest anything, I don't use p2p much after so many people at my college getting sued by the RIAA
<venox> IamEthos, `noauto` flag on /etc/fstab
<prop2> Please helpme, I dont know how to see all the documentation installed. I need help.
<bimberi> Drac[Server] : sorry breezy only has sabayon (dapper has pessulus)  -  they enable desktop lockdown
<FliesLikeABrick> about 2% of my school's population has gotten sued
<Hexidigital> well, i didnt' know about frostwire, idleone :)
<Hexidigital> i do now
<protocol1> heh....
<trace> crimsun: ok it returned to prompt
<nalioth> prop2: i just told you how to access some of it
<Drac[Server] > bimberi, I'm on dapper. :P
<crimsun> trace: cat /proc/asound/cards
<bimberi> Drac[Server] : both available to you then :)
<trace> crimsun: says no sounds cards
<IdleOne> p2p isnt only for downloading music and movies there are alot of helpful files that can be downloaded using p2p :)
<Jeffrae> hell has anyone done sudo make-kpkg modules_image
<Jeffrae>  before?
<Drac[Server] > bimberi: Yay! :D
<crimsun> trace: ok, unload it, try snd-cs4236 or snd-cs4232
<crimsun> trace: I'm off to bed.
<Hexidigital> idleone, when i use windows and it crashes, that's were i get all of my .dll files from
<prop2> nalioth, thank you
<FliesLikeABrick> Drac[Server]   perhaps allow users to change their preferences, just have their /home mounted from a server so that their preferences follow them around the network.  doing that and disallowing sudo access should prevent most problems that come to mind right now
<trace> crimsun: ok ty
<Hexidigital> !frostwire
<trace> crimsun: good nite ;)
<Drac[Server] > FliesLikeABrick, I plan to do that, also. This is just for additional safety. :P
<syllogism> where does libstdc++ come from? - the gcc* source files?
<FliesLikeABrick> well Drac[Server]   without sudo none of those things on the menu can be used to modify any important configuration settings
<FliesLikeABrick> IdleOne but unfortunately p2p clients for windows entirely too often are loaded with spyware and back doors (kazaa, limewire, and many others come to mind quickly)
<prop2> nalioth, besides the url you give me, there is some tool with a frontend that enable Search features?
<Jeffrae> Hello can someone asnwer a "make-kpkg modules_image
<Jeffrae> " question?
<FliesLikeABrick> IdleOne  even if they have useful files.  plus there are too many viruses that propagate through p2p by posing as useful files
<Drac[Server] > FliesLikeABrick, right, but if the computers are supposed to look uniform, kids playing around with the themes and junk wouldn't be a good idea.
<FliesLikeABrick> point taken Drac[Server] 
<FliesLikeABrick> Jeffrae  we are here to answer questions ;)
<IdleOne> FliesLikeABrick, that was my legal disclaimer so I dont get sued for promoting p2p :)
<Jeffrae> ok
<Jeffrae> I am running sudo make-kpkg modules_image
<Hexidigital> !dos2unix
<ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hexidigital
<Jeffrae> I am doing this to compile the lirc-modules-source I got from synaptic
<FliesLikeABrick> IdleOne  I doubt there are any representatives of the RIAA and other organizations lurking here looking for targets.
<IdleOne> :)
<Jeffrae> lirc is the only thing in usr/src/modules directory
<Jeffrae> for some reason I get a million one question when executing sudo make-kpkg modules_image
<Jeffrae> is there a way to just have it take what is already in place?
<Jeffrae> I don't want to change anything
<Jeffrae> all I want to do is compile a lirc module
<FliesLikeABrick> Drac[Server]   the more I think about it, the more I want to set up a bunch of desktops in my house and play with kerberos and network homes on them ;)
<nalioth> prop2: system > help
<Drac[Server] > FliesLikeABrick: Hehehe.
<bimberi> Hexidigital: try '/msg ubotu find dos2unix'
<allen> hey
<allen> anyone there?
<Jeffrae> am I missing a switch?
<FliesLikeABrick> !tell allen about ask
<prop2> nalioth, thank you very much!!
<FliesLikeABrick> hm, allen just joined, asked if anyone was here, then ran off after being prompted to ask a question
<mattt_> how can i install ubuntu on a partition i've already got setup?  i want to dual boot but i don't want ubuntu's installer going any where near the partition table and i don't want it reformatting disks
<Dr_Willis> Matt_ clarify "set up"
<FliesLikeABrick> mattt_ run the install CD and choose to set up the partitions manually rather than using the guided partitioning
<Jeffrae> is there another channel wher eI may want to ask my question?
<mattt_> Dr_Willis: it exists, it's got a filesystem
<FliesLikeABrick> mattt_ all you have to do is tell it what partition to install on, then it won't change anything.  it will verify before it makes any changes (unlike other proprietary operating systems)
<mattt_> hmm
<Dr_Willis> mattt_,  so you got an existing filesystem with data on it you want to install ubuntu to?  no 'unallocated' space?
<FliesLikeABrick> mattt_ just remember to "configure partitions manually" rather than use guided partitioning.  it is very easy to see how to do it after that
<mattt_> Dr_Willis: yeah
<mattt_> FliesLikeABrick: yeah, i tried that, but i must have missed something.. then i just tried going to the install menu and skipping the partitioning part.. i saw a dialog come up saying something like "repartitioning disks"
<Dr_Willis> mattt_,  Im thinking you are trying to do somthing sort of odd. :)    or you are not explaining somthing very well.
<mattt_> nearly had a heart attack :O
<mattt_> mashed the reset button :P
<FliesLikeABrick> no worries Dr_Willis, I understand him
<Jeffrae> can someone help me with make-kpkg modules_image?
<Dr_Willis> FliesLikeABrick,  sounds like he wants 2 linux disrtos on the same filesystem/partition. ?
<FliesLikeABrick> mattt_  you have to tell it to use that partition, not to format it(it is default not to format), and tell it to mount it at /
<mattt_> Dr_Willis: i'm running gentoo, my HD already has a variety of partitions.  i want to install ubuntu on one of those partitions
<mattt_> FliesLikeABrick: ok, thanks
<tristanmike> mattt_, also read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto/  for making a boot floppy so you don't write over your mbr
<FliesLikeABrick> mattt_ odds are that you forgot to tell it to mount and use as / last time
<Dr_Willis> mattt_,  ok - that clear things up. :p
<tristanmike> mattt_, that's if you don't want to write over your mbr that is
<mattt_> hm
<FliesLikeABrick> it sounds like mattt_ understands the logistics of the mbr and what he wants to do, he just needed to know the specifics of how to get it to do what he wanted ;)
<mattt_> can i set it up to use my existing grub installation?
<mattt_> during the install process, that is
<boo> hey, i have a logitech keyboard with play pause, ect buttons on top, is there any way i can use them.
<mattt_> FliesLikeABrick: i just needed to make sure i wasn't gonna loose 100+GB of data :P
<tristanmike> FliesLikeABrick, that's cool, I misunderstood, I was thinking he didn't want to touch that at all
<Jeffrae> can someone help me with make-kpkg modules_image?
<FliesLikeABrick> yes mattt_ just tell it not to install grub when it asks.  or mattt_ it is safe to have the ubuntu install grub again as long as the installer finds all the other operating systems
<mattt_> snap
<nalioth> ubotu: tell Jeffrae about repeat
<FliesLikeABrick> mattt_ it will say "we found these other operating systems : <list of OS here>.  if all your operating systems are shown, it is  most likely safe to isntall grub again"
<Jeffrae> sorry
<Jeffrae> is there another channel where I may want to ask?
<Jeffrae> I have been searching the forums
<`Boo`> hey, i have a logitech keyboard with play pause, ect buttons on top, is there any way i can use them.
<FliesLikeABrick> Jeffrae  you may ask here, just don't repeant over and over and have a bit of patience
<FliesLikeABrick> repeat*
<Jeffrae> ok
<Jeffrae> sorry dude
<FliesLikeABrick> `Boo` what keyboard?
<mattt_> yeah.. i got a whacked out booting setup though.  i installed an SATA drive (and hw controller - no onboard support) along side my existing ata drive, but my mobo wouldn't boot from the sata drive.. so i had to setup a boot partition on the ata drive (for grub and kernel), then use the sata as the root drive :P
<FliesLikeABrick> `Boo`  see if these results help you out: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=logitech+keyboard+buttons+ubuntu+play+pause&btnG=Search
<`Boo`> its a logitech wireless keyboard
<morpheus2485> join #c++
<Eleaf> will somebody nmap ethanlofton.no-ip.org and see what is open for me?
<morpheus2485> oops...
<morpheus2485> i hate that
<NickGarvey> oh eleay
<NickGarvey> I did
<Eleaf> oh cool
<NickGarvey> yeah its long gone though
<NickGarvey> oh wait!
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, what happened?
<Eleaf> hmm
<NickGarvey> clipboard restorer
<Eleaf> lol
<NickGarvey> mwahaha knew it would come in handy
<`Boo`> FliesLikeABrick, it doesnt work
<NickGarvey> http://pastebin.com/615637
<FliesLikeABrick> `Boo`  what did you do to try and get it to work?
<FliesLikeABrick> and can you please tell me the model of your keyboard, rather than just "logitech wireless keyboard" ?
<`Boo`> i dont know where to start, the volume and mute work.
<Jeffrae> Does make-kpkg modules_image  have a switch or something to bypass all of the questions and just leave eveything as is?
<`Boo`> cordless elite duo.
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: mind a security test?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, what do you mean?
<NickGarvey> see if I can get into your system?
<FliesLikeABrick> `Boo`  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=125333
<mattt_> hm, ubuntu doesn't setup ndiswrapper for wireless biz during installation, eh?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, lol, why?
<malv> incase you need some file and are not sure which package contains that file, try to use http://packages.ubuntu.com/
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, what ports are open?  just msg me
<malv> what an immensely useful tool
<sail_> join #ubuntu-cn
<FliesLikeABrick> Jeffrae  do make-kpkg --help and see if it has a "quiet" option
<FliesLikeABrick> Jeffrae  or man make-kpkg and see if it has a "quiet" option there
<silvaran> Matthewv: Nope... apt-get install ndis-utils (I think), and you need your windows drivers.
<Jeffrae> ok
<Jeffrae> I did the help one with no luck
<Jeffrae> I will try the man manual
<morfeus>  if [ [ "$lists" -ge 1 ]  && [ "$syntaks" != "0" ]  ]   <--it says too many arguments
<silvaran> Whoops, ndiswrapper-utils
<FliesLikeABrick> `Boo`  after doing anything with X configuration for your keyboard you will likely have to restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace
<morfeus> if [ "$lists" -ge 1 && "$syntaks" != "0" ]   <--what is wrong with this?
<`Boo`> rgr
<venox> is there any cron frontend?
<Jeffrae> FliesLikeABrick, have you ever used  make-kpkg moduls_image?
<Abnix> can anyone tell me what I broke?  everytime I try to run a requires-root program I input my password and get "Failed to run **** as user root. Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file."
<FliesLikeABrick> no Jeffrae  I have not, I'm just suggesting using the normal methods that I use to find options like that
<miguel> hi all. I'm new to ubuntu and linux systems. i'd like to have developing tools installed. is there some easy way to get it? like the 'add application' tool.
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, ?
<NickGarvey> I msged you I thought
<pvd2006> What is the command to see how much space you have left on linux again?
<pvd2006> My head went blank
<NickGarvey> du
<NickGarvey> wait
<FliesLikeABrick> pvd2006  df -h
<NickGarvey> that shows how much you have used
<NickGarvey> okie
<pvd2006> df, thats right, thanks
<Jeffrae> FliesLikeABrick, no quiet option
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, it didn't show up
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, are you registered?
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, just join #blendistribute
<Jeffrae> FliesLikeABrick, if I press enter it will take a default, but i have been pressing enter for like 5 minutes now hahaahahah
<pvd2006> crap, I only have 2.2gigs left on my linux partition. I need to start saving stuff to my windows partition but when I try to right click and save as to hdc1 it won't save it just says the file is automatically done.
<VR_> is there an official ubuntu blog of some kind where i can keep up with the news?
<Abnix> oh, huh, I think I found out why...     Why is it my fresh install of this...OS has used 100% of my 72gig drive?
<Abnix> I mean this is crazy! /dev/hda1              72G   69G     0 100% /
<miguel> hi all. I'm new to ubuntu and linux systems. i'd like to have developing tools installed. is there some easy way to get it? like the 'add application' tool. anyone?
<FliesLikeABrick> perhaps you should just go through all the defaults, it may be faster than looking for an option that may not exist.  where can I install this make-kpkg command so I can help you better?
<FliesLikeABrick> !tell miguel  about repeat
<pvd2006> that means you have 69gigs free, abnix
<pvd2006> I think
<Abnix> no
<Abnix> it means that I am using 100% of my drive
<Drac[Server] > Volume controls don't work for the new user I created. Is there a "sound" group I need to add it to?
<FliesLikeABrick> no pvd2006  I think he's right
<pvd2006> abnix, from installing what OS, ubuntu?
<FliesLikeABrick> Abnix  perhaps you have some program that filled the drive up with logs?
<Abnix> pvd2006: yup
<nalioth> miguel: open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
<FliesLikeABrick> pvd2006  he came to this channel with that concern, so it is a safe bet that he's talking about ubuntu
<FliesLikeABrick> Abnix  do this "sudo du -h /home"
<pvd2006> abnix, that is crazy
<Abnix> hmm, so it's something in my home dir....
<Abnix> 64G     /home
<pvd2006> wow!
<pvd2006> :-x
<FliesLikeABrick> mk, now use that same command to track down what folder in /home is doing it
<miguel> thanks!
<pvd2006> would there be a reason why when I try to save as link through firefox it wont save to my windows NTFS partition? It just says its the file is done downloading but theres nothing in it.
<Drac[Server] > I'm trying to design a Linux installation that will work for my school. Please help. This new user lacks control of sound stuff. What gives?
<FliesLikeABrick> pvd2006  linux currently cannot write to NTFS filesystems
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, ? lol
<_6ix_> I'm trying to share a drive with an XP box right now.  I have a couple questions.  Do I have to "boot" SAMBA, or is it automatically running?
<Abnix> hahaha you guys are gonna LOVE this
<Abnix> -rw-------   1 abner abner  64G 2006-03-21 23:06 .xsession-errors
<FliesLikeABrick> _6ix_  samba starts at boot if it is installed
<FliesLikeABrick> haha Abnix
<pvd2006> .xession-errors taking up 64gigs, that is crazy. I am going to have to watch that.
<FliesLikeABrick> Abnix  just remove that directory or all of the stuff in it and watch it as it grows again
<FliesLikeABrick> see what is causing the problems
<_6ix_> Okay.  Next question.  I have this ready made form I found on the Wiki to help me, called "smb.conf".  What dir should that go in?
<FliesLikeABrick> _6ix_  /etc/samba/smb.conf
<Abnix> FliesLikeABrick: yea, I would hav eliked to see what was in that file, but I know better than to try and open a 64 GIG file for 'browsing'
<_6ix_> /etc/samba?
<FliesLikeABrick> yeah Abnix  just remove it and watch it while it is small
<FliesLikeABrick> yes _6ix_
<_6ix_> Oh, okay, thanks
<Drac[Server] > Gah... I need to get to sleep soon... Will somebody tell me why a newly created user can't access the sound controls?
<Dr_Willis> 'using Samba' is a book. thats aviliable online.. and well worth reading - for all your samba needs
<_6ix_> I just found it, sorry for asking...
<bimberi> Drac[Server] : are they a member of the 'audio' group?
<FliesLikeABrick> Drac[Server]   did you break access to the sound controls while pruning permissions?
<FliesLikeABrick> ah yes that too
<FliesLikeABrick> forgot about that
<Drac[Server] > How do I edit groups, again?
<FliesLikeABrick> Drac[Server]   adduser <username> <groupname>
<Drac[Server] > Ah.
<FliesLikeABrick> to see if a user is a member of a group
<FliesLikeABrick> do
<FliesLikeABrick> groups <username>
<bimberi> Drac[Server] : or System -> Administration -> Users & Groups
<FliesLikeABrick> i'm assuming knowing the command line commands would be useful in case you plan to write a script to automate permissions setting on those desktops
<`Boo`> whats xF86Config-4
<mconroy> Does anyone know where to find the kernel source for ver 2.6.12.9.... I can only find 2.6.12.6 and below. Any ideas?
<FliesLikeABrick> mconroy  www.kernel.org
<bimberi> Drac[Server] : you're aware of edubuntu? - http://edubuntu.org/
<mconroy> tried that site, and can only find 2.6.12.6
<FliesLikeABrick> ah yeah Drac[Server]  bimberi I completely forgot about that
<malv> any good gnome music players besides rhythmbox?
<GigaClon> XMMS
<FliesLikeABrick> malv xmms
<Abnix> xmms
<NickGarvey> I like xmms but I have heard good things aboout bmp Malv
<malv> eh, slightly more evolved
<malv> something like a jukebox system
<Drac[Server] > bimberi, yeah... Dapper is the only thing that likes this network card and stuff... I'll try edubuntu dapper if I can't get this working the way I want it to.
<malv> yea, currently using bmp
<tristanmike> malv, it's not gnome, but it works just dandy, amarok
<Abnix> malv: try xine?
<bimberi> Drac[Server] : kk, just checkin' :)
<`Boo`> still doesnt work FliesLikeABrick
<`Boo`> i followed that config
<FliesLikeABrick> `Boo`  you restarted X after making the changes?
<`Boo`> er, that tut.
<`Boo`> oh
<`Boo`> doh
<`Boo`> brb
<grateful> whats the easiest way to add a new (empty) to ubuntu   ?  I have plugged it in and it is set to slave, but how do I get ubuntu to recognize it?
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  hard drive you mean?
<grateful> yes sorry
<grateful> i thought i typed that
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  would you rather use command line tools or graphical tools?
<rasmus> Anyone here have valgrind and valgrind-callgrind installed where valgrind is version 2.x instead of 3.x?
<grateful> command line is good
<NickGarvey> grateful: first IDE channel?
<FliesLikeABrick> alright grateful  I'll help you out
<grateful> thanks  flies
<rasmus> I am having trouble getting a non 3.x combination of those two packages to install
<bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: lol at that question
<FliesLikeABrick> why bimberi ?
<NickGarvey> grateful: asmmuing it is, mkdir /mnt/hdb1 && mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
<bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: in the context of earlier :)
<FliesLikeABrick> bimberi  spell it out for me, i'm tired and miss the humor
<grateful> btw it a second drive i already have one with ubuntu
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  do sudo fdisk -l and take note of the /dev/hdX device that has no partitions and is the right size (the same size as the drive you know you just added)
<grateful> okay doing it
<bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: nvm
<FliesLikeABrick> no bimberi  you can't do that to me, I'm curious ;)
<Davey> is there any application that can help me find what files and directories on my system are using up all ym space?
<FliesLikeABrick> Davey  systematically use sudo du -h <folder path> to see what folders are using how much space
<Eleaf> mmmmm
<Abnix> Davey: are you having out of space issues like me?
<Davey> FliesLikeABrick: yeah, thats not exactly what I had in mind
<grateful> Disk /dev/hdb: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
<grateful>    is what it says
<Davey> Abnix: yup
<Abnix> it jsut....disappears....
<FliesLikeABrick> Abnix  yeah you help him ;)
<FliesLikeABrick> alright grateful
<grateful> followed by :  Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  do sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
<Abnix> FliesLikeABrick: oh I'm not outa the woods yet...
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, are you like attacking me? lol
<FliesLikeABrick> yep grateful  thats because its new.  we're going to partition it now.  do you know how many partitions you want on it?
<bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: earlier you suggested adduser and groups, then i came in with the GUI method.  Now you offer either :)
* kuja pinches Davey
<FliesLikeABrick> yeah Abnix  but you know the place he should check if his space is disappearing for no reason :P
<ubuntu_> hello
<grateful> just one parttion
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: you didn't give me an ok
<Abnix> that space is still showing as gone, but a sudo du -h / shows only 5.6g, but a df -h shows 100% of my /
<Davey> do I need to keep around my /var/cache/apt/archives?
<FliesLikeABrick> yeah bimberi, considering I own and operate about 15 servers I tend to be more of a command line type
<FliesLikeABrick> alright grateful
<kuja> And look, it's rasmus. But why do I think it's not him? Oh, cause I think Rasmus wouldn't go Comcast :)
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: I'm not a black hat :P
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, lol
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  are you in the fdisk program?
<grateful> i appreciate this a lot flies
<NickGarvey> Eleaf: is that an ok?
<FliesLikeABrick> np grateful, anything to help people get onto linux
<Jeffrae> Goodnight all
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, ;).  What ports did you see open?
<FliesLikeABrick> gnite jeff
<grateful> flies whats the command to enter it?
<NickGarvey> ones in the paste bin
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
<ubuntu_> how do i get to the grub menu to add ubuntu back in the menu?
<NickGarvey> I was going to attack the ftp port
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, which one? lol
<bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: and fair enough too
<NickGarvey> check for weak users
<NickGarvey> http://pastebin.com/615637
<Eleaf> woah
<grateful> FliesLikeABrick im in the fdisk prompt
<Eleaf> NickGarvey, it actually shows those open? cool..
<FliesLikeABrick> alrigt Grarg
<Eleaf> wait
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  alright, type "n" then enter, then "p"
<Eleaf> why does it actually show closed NickGarvey ?
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  that is telling it to greate a new partition of type primary
<NickGarvey> no idea
<FliesLikeABrick> oh sorry grateful  you don't need the enter after p I think
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  use common sense, i'll just tell you what to type ;)
<grateful> it asks for partion number
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful 1
<FliesLikeABrick> bimberi  well I don't want to help someone with a graphical method when they are better with console, and vice-versa
<grateful> then it asks for first cylinder number
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  just hit enter
<grateful> ok
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful then just hit enter for the end cylinder too
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  that will tell it to use defaults
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful (the whole drive)
<grateful> then  it goes back to the prompt
<vice-versa> FliesLikeABrick: thanks! :)
<Aggrav8d> I have two machines on a LAN, one win32 one linux.  I set up a samba share that was working, then reinstalled everything on the win32 box.  now that box doesn't find the network neighborhood.  I know it's something stupid like setting up the...
<FliesLikeABrick> alright grateful  now hit "w" to tell it to "write-out" the table to the drive
<Aggrav8d> ...workgroup name, but I can't remember what to set it to.  where do i look?
<grateful> its working
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  alright, does it say you need to reboot for it to take effect?
<FliesLikeABrick> Aggrav8d  use  the same workgroup name as what you use on your windows computers
<FliesLikeABrick> Aggrav8d  if you're using windows XP on the other computers, it doesn't matter much
<chadstato> I am having a wierd problem with X11, I am using an Nvidia card and It has two outputs, A DVI and a VGA. The DVI goes to my primary display and the VGA goes to my secondary. My problem is that its sending the Primary display to the secondary monitor, How do I reverse the outputs on my card?
<jbritz22> Hey all
<FliesLikeABrick> !tell jbritz22 about ask
<grateful> last thing it said was syncing disks... then back to my shell
<FliesLikeABrick> chadstato one second and I can tell you how to fix that
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful now do mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
<chadstato> I am running it with xinerama and not twinview.
<jbritz22> Whats the most lightweight web browser for linux that retains the best page viewing quality?
<FliesLikeABrick> chadstato ah well my solution may still work, hold on
<bimberi> Aggrav8d: /etc/samba/smb.conf - search for workgroup
<FliesLikeABrick> jbritz22 firefox for a real browser, or lynx for a text-based one
<cerebrix> if anyone here has experience going thru the faq at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132406 please message me, got a few questions... thanks :)
<regeya> what's the best car for the money, jbritz22?
<jbritz22> Flieslikeabrick, firefox is not lightweight...
<grateful> thanks flies.. now its  doing it
<FliesLikeABrick> sorry jbritz22 just seemed like the right answer
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  do you know where you want to mount this new drive?
<grateful> writing inodes...
<jbritz22> FliesLikeABrick, no prob, just everyone gives that now adays, XD
<grateful> im not sure
<FliesLikeABrick> well jbritz22  what specs does the machine have that you're looking to run it on?
<regeya> seriously, what's the best car for the money
<regeya> nobody ever gives the right answer XD
<jbritz22> flieslikeabrick 600mhz, uhh, 256mb ram, 16mb vid car
<regeya> hmm....wait a sec...
<FliesLikeABrick> jbritz22 I've run firefox perfectly on far less than that, but it is up to you to find something lighter.  perhaps search through apt for options
<grateful> is there a way i can see that drive through konqueror now?
<FliesLikeABrick> haha jbritz22  look what apt says about firefox: firefox - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  wen eed to mount it somehwere in your filesystem first
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  you're just looking to use it for storage?
<FliesLikeABrick> we need*
<grateful> flies yes
<jbritz22> FliesLikeaBrick, Ok, I'll just fool around with some settings in firefox, one more question, why do I get a dcopserver erro r when trying tro run amarok on fluxnoxx?
<slavik> if I have some modules black listed, when I dist_upgrade to dapper, will that blacklist be carried over to dapper?
<jbritz22> FliesLikeABrick, fluxbox*
<graft> anyone know anything about dovecot? I can't figure out how to get this thing to let me log in...
<grateful> just for storage
<regeya> how about opera, jbritz22?
<graft> and the documentation is, typical of free software projects, less than adequate
<FliesLikeABrick> jbritz22 try to use the fasterfox firefox extension to optimize your firefox configuration
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  would mounting it at /storage be sufficient for you ? ;)
<slavik> also, in breezy, how can I restart X? (ctrl+alt+backspace close it up completely and it has to be restarted with 'startx')
<chadstato> Did you manage to find the xconfig thing?
<grateful> flies sure
<FliesLikeABrick> alright grateful, is this on a personal computer? if so, how many users?
<_6ix_> Do I need to reboot for new SAMBA definitions to take place?
<jbritz22> regeya, I dont like opera's page output, methinks, I'll stick with firefox, its helped me for a long time now, I shouldnt be so switch to ditch it
<bimberi> slavik: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
<grateful> just me
<graft> slavik: run ... yeah.
<grateful> personal
<slavik> ty, bimberi
<FliesLikeABrick> _6ix_  no, just do sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
<bimberi> jbritz22: epiphany ?
<_6ix_> Thanks
<regeya> o_O
<slavik> anyone know on the blacklist dist-upgrade issue?
<jbritz22> bimberi, ill look it up
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  alright then we'll mount it at /storage with your username as the owner
<jbritz22> anyone got anyhing on my amarok issue?
<graft> amarok issue?
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  do sudo nano /etc/fstab, we're going to add a line in there to mount this drive at boot
<louise> can someone tell me, what is the name of the new system-tray program for beagle? 'best' has disappeared
<bimberi> jbritz22: kk - ubuntu package is 'epiphany-browser' btw
<louise> in dapper
<grateful> okay im in nano
<jbritz22> bimbi, sweet
<jbritz22> thanks ;)
<bimberi> louise: i think the deskbar works with beagle
<bimberi> jbritz22: yw :)
<_6ix_> Why do you think there might be no "samba" file in /etc/init.d/?
<louise> bimberi, deskbar?
<graft> jbritz what's your amarok issue?
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  alright, type this into that file, as a new line.  I'll explain it afterwards.  /dev/hdb1 /storage  ext3 defaults 0 0
<_6ix_> And yes, I have samba installed
<regeya> jbritz22: epiphany.  uses gecko just as firefox does, tends to be a bit less top-heavy, and tends to be gnome-centric.
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  give meo ne second to get my laptop out and test something
<louise> beagle has changed the name of it's system-tray client from best to something else, i've used it before but i've forgotten the name and i need to run it for a new syste,
<regeya> if that floats your boat, rock on.
<louise> system
<jbritz22> does anyone know what a dcopserver error is?
<FliesLikeABrick> jbritz22  did you google it?
<bimberi> louise: a new and very nice little applet (right click on panel, select Add To Panel...,  at the top)
<grateful> thanks flies  ,, i made that change and saved it
<louise> bimberi, what's it called?
<jbritz22> flieslikeabrick, yup nothing
<jbritz22> !dcopserver
<ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jbritz22
<bimberi> louise: Deskbar
<graft> jbritz22 you know what dcop is?
<grateful> it shows up in konqueror now
<malv> is there a way to remove the packages a meta package brings in?
<malv> e.g. ubuntu-desktop?
<regeya> jbritz, dcop is what kde uses for ipc
<regeya> fyi
<graft> malv: write clever recursive scripts using cat and awk and grep, etc.?
<bimberi> malv: if you use aptitude to install them then it will know what to uninstall.  Otherwise there's debfoster
<FliesLikeABrick> yeah grateful  but right now you can't write to it except as root,  thats what i'm looking for the best way to change
<louise> bimberi, got it, awesome =)  couldn't see it before, it was too yellow
<jbritz22> I get it whenever trying to run any kde program, im using fluxbox
<grateful> okay
<bimberi> louise: lol
<malv> or i can recursively unclick everything in synaptic
<malv> eh, might as well redo the chroot environment
<regeya> jbritz22: what's the error?  that can't be everything...
<jbritz22> here
<jbritz22> ill pastebin it
<FliesLikeABrick> alright grateful we're going to change the ownership of the mount point to the username that you use all the time, k?
<Eleaf> somebody is trying to telnet into me
<Eleaf> lol
<grateful> again thanks in advance flies
<regeya> rofflecopters.
<FliesLikeABrick> np grateful.  do sudo mount /storage
<FliesLikeABrick> then grateful  do sudo chown <your normal username> /storage
<louise> bimberi, is there anything else but deskbar?
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  or you can do sudo chmod 777 /storage
<grateful> mount: mount point /storage does not exist
<FliesLikeABrick> oh grateful do sudo mkdir /storage
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  then do the last things i've said since mount /storage
<FliesLikeABrick> grateful  including mount
<gtrplr> hello
<FliesLikeABrick> !tell gtrplr  about ask
<grateful> okay i did all that
<FliesLikeABrick> mk grateful  now try saving something in /storage
<FliesLikeABrick> or making a folder in konqueror
<jbritz22> first I will give you the text that comes up int he terminal
<bimberi> louise: i don't know sorry.  That probably wasn't the answer to your original question.
<gtrplr> I have a windows partition that I can not get to without root perm, I am owner
<jbritz22> http://pastebin.com/615652
<grateful> thanks so much flies
<FliesLikeABrick> np grateful, just pass it on by helping someone else when you have the ability to ;)
<vars> how do i use cli to zip a folder
<grateful> I REALLY appreciate all that you have helped
<louise> bimberi, deskbar looks interesting, but i need to be able to type in stuff and have results come up instantly
<graft> jbritz22, is KDE installed?
<grateful> the IRC gods have spoken...
<bimberi> louise: yes, you need someone who knows beagle better than me
<DarthShrine> Afternoon.
<grateful> thanks again
<vars> anyone?
<gtrplr> how do I change permission on a NTFS folder?
<graft> vars: there's a 'zip' utility
<vars> gtrplr, i think you can with sudo
<gtrplr> vars, what do you mean
<FliesLikeABrick> gtrplr just a moment, let me refresh my memory then i'll let you know
<jbritz22> graft, just the libs
<gtrplr> vars, I tried
<jbritz22> graft, just installed amarok, and all the required dependicies
<graft> or you can make a tarball, tar -czf or tar -cjf <files>
<vars> what is the command to zip a folder
<pk_volt> how do I use pscp to transfer a file from windows to linux?
<gtrplr> vars, zip
<graft> jbritz22: um... ah... well, does ~/.kde exists?
<vars> i need to transfer it to windows
<thenuke> gtrplr: http://www.psychocats.net/linux/mountwindows.php
<gtrplr> look at the help
<liquidboy> i'm having a problem with tuxkart. i get the start screen, but it's very slow, and when i click "play" the window goes away... something about hardware accelleration?
<FliesLikeABrick> gtrplr alright I've got it
<graft> pk_volt: you have to connect from windows to linux
<FliesLikeABrick> gtrplr  do you mount it using /etc/fstab ?
<graft> windows has no remote capability whatsoever, because it sucks
<jbritz22> graft, in the root directory?
<Madpilot> liquidboy, have you got 3d drivers installed for your graphics card?
<graft> jbritz22: no, in your home directory... /home/jbritz22/.kde
<graft> does it exist?
<gtrplr> FliesLikeABrick, yes, but as media/hda1
<pk_volt> graft - what command do I type in dos to connect to it
<thenuke> gtrplr: in my url, you find info about howto mount windows partition automagically (fstab) and so that you dont need to be root to access it
<pk_volt> and send a file
<jbritz22> graft, lemme check
<liquidboy> probably not
<graft> pk_volt: get winSCP3 via google
<jbritz22> graft, nopers
<FliesLikeABrick> gtrplr when you mount it, mount it with the option uid=<the username you want to access it from>
<graft> jbritz22: create it... that might solve your problems
<liquidboy> Madpilot, im just using the default ones that came with ubuntu 5.10 - i've got an S3 prosavage ddr graphics card
<FliesLikeABrick> that will allow that user to read it, rather than having to be root
<jbritz22> ok maybe it is there
<liquidboy> Madpilot, i was told that s3 = sucks
<bimberi> jbritz22: looks to me like some of your files have become owned by root - 'sudo chown -R jbritz22:jbritz22 /home/jbritz22'
<liquidboy> don't know if thats true or not
<jbritz22> graft, mkdir: cannot create directory `.kde': File exists
<Madpilot> liquidboy, you might be right, at least for 3d stuff - I run an ATI board myself
<gtrplr> FliesLikeABrick, will do. Its odd not having a root user
<concept10> liquidboy, I have that same card in my music production box
<chadstato> FliesLikeABrick: Have you found the thing that will reverse the displays?
<FliesLikeABrick> no chadstato  sorry, my way is for twinview only :-/
<Blue-Steel> is the #root passwd the same as the user passwd  on ubuntu ?
<liquidboy> if there are 3d drivers for my card, would they be avaliable in synaptic?
<graft> jbritz22: check permissions/ownership on it
<concept10> liquidboy, and its not great at all, slow refreshes
<graft> make sure you can write to it...
<FliesLikeABrick> gtrplr root exists, ubuntu just doesn't use it by default
<jbritz22> graft, is there a command for that
<bimberi> Blue-Steel: no, the root password is not set, so the account can't be logged into
<FliesLikeABrick> doesn't use it directly, rather
<graft> jbritz22: yeah, ls -l /home/jbritz22/.kde
<Blue-Steel> bimberi  i just want to su to root
<liquidboy> concept10, oh yep, that makes sence, i had serious lag issues with metacity in gnome (the windows lagged severely when i dragged them around)
<Blue-Steel> andredekito
<graft> Blue-Steel: sudo -i
<FliesLikeABrick> Blue-Steel  in order to su to root, you have to do sudo passwd to set a root password
<Blue-Steel> ups
<Blue-Steel>  ok
<bimberi> Blue-Steel: sudo -i     <--  gets you a root shell
<cerebrix>  if anyone here has experience going thru the faq at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132406 please message me, got a few questions... thanks :)
<Blue-Steel> ah
<FliesLikeABrick> oh sorry Blue-Steel do what bimberi  said
<Madpilot> !tell Blue-Steel about sudo
<gtrplr> FliesLikeABrick, you saved me
<gtrplr> thanks!
<FliesLikeABrick> np gtrplr, I'm here to help
<graft> just out of curiosity, why do people hang out here and answer questions?
<pk_volt> how do i find my hostname?
<Blue-Steel> to help each other
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  cat /etc/hostname
<jadaz87> can anyone tell me what the command is for listing all of the channels on a ircserver?
<graft> pk_volt: cat /etc/hostname
<Blue-Steel>  /list
<FliesLikeABrick> jadams  usually it is /list
<graft> jadaz87: /list -YES, usually
<jadaz87> oh ok thanks
<graft> but probably a bad idea
<Tido> could take awhile to list them all lol
<michael> how do i start the graphical search from terminal?
<jadaz87> graft oh why whould you say that?
<pk_volt> and how do I start ssh server
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  apt-get install ssh
<pk_volt> i installed it already
<graft> jadaz87: you'll get about 150,024 pages of spam
<FliesLikeABrick> er pk_volt  sudo apt-get install ssh*
<pk_volt> how do I start it
<jadaz87> oh ok
<gtrplr> brb
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  it is usually started after it is installed
<pk_volt> hrm
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  but if not, sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
<jbritz22> graft, http://pastebin.com/615664
<jbritz22> graft, theres the permissions on .kde
<bimberi> michael: gnome-search-tool
<michael> ty
<graft> jbritz22: err crap... you need to do ls -al
<jbritz22> graft, ok
<pk_volt> it says "Open bsd secure shell       [FAILED] 
<jbritz22> graft, http://pastebin.com/615666
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt check your logs to see why it failed
<bimberi> jbritz22: still looks to me like some of your files have become owned by root - 'sudo chown -R jbritz22:jbritz22 /home/jbritz22'
<michael> ok, didn't find it, i have my Nomad Creative Jukebox mounted using gnomad2, where is that mount point?
<pk_volt> which logfile do i look for in /var/log
<graft> jbritz22: yeah, bimberi is correct
<graft> that's your problem
<liquidboy> Madpilot, i searched synaptic, for 'savage' - i saw the drivers that were installed, but there were none saying they were 3d drivers.. i guess that means there aren't any for my graphics card?
<FliesLikeABrick> i'm not sure pk_volt
<cerebrix> anyone here ever built xgl and compiz from cvs?  im trying to build libs and getting a lot of errors.  never built anything this big before so im wondering if these errors are ok
<pk_volt> err
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  try doing grep -R ssh /var/log | grep fail
<jbritz22> blimberi, ok did that, now should I try amarok?
<graft> cerebrix: don't bother, compiz and xgl are both in dapper
<bimberi> gksudo
<Madpilot> liquidboy, I don't know anything about s3/savage vid cards, really
<bimberi> jbritz22: yep
<bimberi> !gksudo
<ubotu> Use gksudo to run gtk applications with root privileges. Using sudo to start gtk apps can scramble your user account permissions.
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  that might show you which log file it is in
<bimberi> jbritz22: ^^^^ that might be why
<liquidboy> Madpilot, oh yep, thanks anywya
<cerebrix> theres a bug in that version that the latest cvs fixes for nvidia cards. wasnt added until yesterday or the day before i believe
<liquidboy> *anywya
<Blue-Steel> what am i missing here to start sshd ? its installed and not when i try to start it it gives me {Fail}
<FliesLikeABrick> Blue-Steel  it sounds like you're having the same problem as pk_volt
<graft> cerebrix: ah... can't wait like four days or whatever it'll take 'em? :P
<jbritz22> blimberi, nike! no errors
<bimberi> just do it :P
<FliesLikeABrick> Blue-Steel  i'm working with pk_volt  to track down the right error log right now
<FliesLikeABrick> anyone know what log would contain sshd errors?
<Blue-Steel> ok
<pk_volt> hrm
<graft> maybe daemon.log
<pk_volt> nothing showed up
<pk_volt> gonna try rebooting
<FliesLikeABrick> no pk_volt  don't bother
<ic56> FliesLikeABrick: /var/log/auth.log
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  try tail /var/log/daemon.log or tail /var/log/auth.log
<cerebrix> kind of doing it for the learning experience of building something large as well
<cerebrix> nothing on tv tonight =p
<FliesLikeABrick> ic56  would that contain runtime problems with sshd rather than just authentication problems?
<graft> it's auth.log i think
<graft> at least i have ssh crap in mine
<jbritz22> thanks everyone who helped me :D
<michael> how can I find the mount point of my creative nomad jukebox?
<FliesLikeABrick> michael  cat /etc/mtab and look for /dev/sda1
<PokerFacePenguin> auth.log is for connection attempts and whatnot...it sounds as if his service isn't starting
<FliesLikeABrick> yes PokerFacePenguin  I know, we're trying to find out why it isn't starting
<ic56> FliesLikeABrick: yes, auth should contain all sshd output.
<FliesLikeABrick> which is why I didn't think we should look in auth.log
<FliesLikeABrick> alright  ic56  thanks
<vook> michael, df also is a good choice
<FliesLikeABrick> Blue-Steel try tail /var/log/auth.log and tell me what it says
<fyrestrtr> FliesLikeABrick: /var/log/messages
<malv> ok, i have something funny to say
<FliesLikeABrick> yeah Blue-Steel  tail everything recently mentioned here and look for problems ;)
<malv> so I did an rm -rf on my /chroot directory and I forgot to unbind home in my fstab
<Blue-Steel> i was tailing /var/log/messages and nothing
<Blue-Steel>  let me see that one
<malv> my mighty porn collection is now gone
<PokerFacePenguin> FliesLikeABrick: might be easier to cat the file and grep for ssh
<malv> along with some lesser important things
<FliesLikeABrick> PokerFacePenguin  don't tell me, tell them ;)
<malv> is there anyway to retrieve that porn somehow? I am using reiser
<graft> messages won't have ssh stuff
<Blue-Steel> ah ! fatal . cant bind port 22 to 0.0.0.0
<FliesLikeABrick> there you go
<PokerFacePenguin> :)  just makin a suggest
<FliesLikeABrick> is ssh already running you guys?
<pk_volt> i don't get any errors
<graft> malv... there's some file recovery tools
<pk_volt> i do a ps -ef | grep ssh
<vook> malv, it's only wednesday man, that is friday night jabber
<michael> Can you tell me which one it is mounted to?     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10627
<pk_volt> and it says /usr/sbin/sshd
<FliesLikeABrick> michael  thanks for using pastebin.  it does not appear to be mounted
<malv> well, luckily I always back up my data, and everthing is stored using svn
<pk_volt> but when i try to login using winSCP
<pk_volt> it says no host found
<malv> except the porn of course
<vook> for shame
<michael> and yet i'm getting info from it using gnomad2?? kinda like the windows problem i had with this brand
<graft> pk_volt: ssh localhost?
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt host not found?  that is more than your ssh not just listening
<FliesLikeABrick> graft i'm guessing he's trying from another comp, on windows
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  are you using the correct local IP?
<graft> FliesLikeABrick: yeah, but he can test to see if his ssh server works that way
<FliesLikeABrick> agreed graft
<pk_volt> where do I typ in teh ip in winscp?
<pk_volt> oh wiat
<pk_volt> I have to do hostname@ip?
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  on the linux box try doing ssh localhost at the command line
<FliesLikeABrick> if that gives ytou something aside from an error, it is working
<Blue-Steel> well for some reason  i cant bind port 22 to any address ....
<FliesLikeABrick> and no pk_volt  you just give it an IP
<FliesLikeABrick> Blue-Steel  is it because ssh is already running?
<FliesLikeABrick> Blue-Steel try ssh localhost
<pk_volt> ok
<pk_volt> i logged in'
<FliesLikeABrick> k pk_volt  it is working fine then
<vook> malv, just a plug for xfs, the tools are outstanding and effective.
<FliesLikeABrick> I suspect Blue-Steel  is doing the same thing and trying to start ssh when it is already running
<damian_> do i change gnome panels application button icon?
<damian_> i couldnt find the ubuntu logo anywhere
<MarcC> anybody have a jabber account I can PM real quick to test? :D
<pk_volt> working good
<pk_volt> thanks
<Blue-Steel> yes working
<Blue-Steel> restart  solved it
<damian_> not in /usr/share/icons or */pixmaps
<graft> malv check out http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/recovery-howto.html
<FliesLikeABrick> MarcC  you can PM me
<PokerFacePenguin> MarcC: jabberinjoe@kdetalk.net
<malv> yep, found a way to recover with reiserfsck
<MarcC> ok, thanks :)
<rss> Hi! PS/2 Optical mouse is not working, it is not even displaying the light in Breezy, any known fix for this, this is same as bug#16723
<graft> oh wait reiser anyway...
<malv> me and my porn thank you
<graft> so should everyone be using reiser at this point anyway? or is there not that much point?
<graft> rss if it's not even lighting up i would guess it's just broken...
<rss> graft: It is working perfectly well in Windoze XP
<rss> graft: also in the live cd
<graft> rss well... hrm... is it USB mouse?
<rss> graft: PS/2
<graft> rss oh duh... and your mouse line in xorg.conf is...?
<rss> graft: I tried /dev/input/mice and also /dev/psaux with protocol as "intellimouse"
<rss> graft: it was working with /dev/input/mice and intellimouse in the live cd and fedora
<graft> rss protocol oughta be like... ImPS/2 or something
<rss> graft: tried even that
<graft> well bugger
<graft> i still don't get why it wouldn't even light up... that's not normal...
<graft> that's like a basic machine-level thing
<graft> um... you'd probably hit me, but did you check the plug?
<FliesLikeABrick> I agree iwht graft
<FliesLikeABrick> with*
<CoolGal22> This is a real newb question but can anyone tell me why certain applications will not minimize the the taskbar? They just "dissapear"
<DarthShrine> In the Ubuntu 5.10 LiveCD, my "0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)" was working perfectly. I installed from the LiveCD, and now the audio is not working. What can I do to get it working again?
<FliesLikeABrick> DarthLappy  may I ask why you installed from the LiveCD instead of an install CD?
<graft> those LiveCDs are always so much better than real installs...
<graft> Knoppix always does stuff with my computers that i never even knew they could do...
<DarthShrine> FliesLikeABrick, 1) Didn't need to download another image, 2) Didn't need to use another CD, 3) Why bother to do that when I can install from a LiveCD?
<graft> i mean... wtf... why don't they just make the whole OS behave like that all the time, with that autoconfiguration?
<FliesLikeABrick> fair enough DarthLappy  just asking
<pk_volt> I'm trying to install the ati fglrx drivers for my laptop, but i get an error in a log saying precompiled kernel version mismatch
<FliesLikeABrick> !tell pk_volt about ati
<DarthShrine> graft, Yeah.
<vice-versa> anyone here using a Acer Travelmate 2300?
<FliesLikeABrick> pk_volt  have you followed the instructions in that message you just got from ubotu ?
<DarthShrine> I installed the 2.6.12-10-686-smp kernel, and VMWare broke :(
<pk_volt> looking
<FliesLikeABrick> DarthLappy  you probably need to recompile the module used by vmware for the new kernel
<FliesLikeABrick> unless I'm just thinking of the VMWare server
<Blue-Steel> no amsn on apt-get ? whats the name  that ubuntu uses for it ?
<DarthLappy> FliesLikeABrick, Yeah, I had to run vmware-config.pl again, but it froze twice, and VMWare crashed when I ran it after getting the module to compile, then it froze again
<gn0me> When I run normal X, I have direct rendering. When I run Xgl, I don't.. Might anyone have a similar issue?
<nalioth> Blue-Steel: amsn is in the repos, make sure you have universe an multiverse repos enabled
<graft> argh... too many Darths in here
<graft> always two there are
<Blue-Steel> nalioth  i have no idea what that is
<nalioth> Blue-Steel: ah, watch your priv msgs
<Blue-Steel> ok
<nalioth> ubotu: tell Blue-Steel about repos
<DarthShrine> graft, :D Want me to join on my server too?
<nalioth> Blue-Steel: enable the universe and multiverse repositories, and you'll have over 17,000 programs to play with
<FliesLikeABrick> goodnight everyone
<DarthShrine> G'night FliesLikeABrick
<pk_volt> i downloaded the ati installer
<Blue-Steel> i remember it was a list conf somewhere with debian where we put all the mirrors
<Blue-Steel> what is the path  to it
<DarthShrine> Could anybody try and help with my audio prob then?
<Blue-Steel> i cant remember
<pk_volt> and now it's asking for an installation path
<nalioth> Blue-Steel: it's in the link ubotu sent you
<CoolGal22> I need to know how to get apps to minimize to the tray instead of dissapearing when I minimize them
<pk_volt> the ati flglrx installer is asking me for an installation path
<pk_volt> what should I type in?
<malv> are there any downsides to lvm?
<pk_volt> how do i find out my ubuntu version?
<gn0me> System->About Ubuntu
<gn0me> I think
<pk_volt> how do i check in termianl
<fyrestrtr> pk_volt: uname -a
<Blue-Steel> i see.... but i was looking for a cmd line to do it
<gn0me> Or that, with the terminal.
<DarthShrine> In the Ubuntu 5.10 LiveCD, my "0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)" was working perfectly. I installed from the LiveCD, and now the audio is not working. What can I do to get it working again?
<Tido> how would I go about setting up ubuntu to run as a vpn server?
<ejofee> is there any way to use bum in order to make a certain service be automatically run on startup
<ejofee> ?
<Frogzoo> ejofee: yes, but you still have to create the startup script yourself...
<graft> DarthShrine: can't you just load up the right module and run along?
<CoolGal22> ok then, I have KDE 3.5 on a disc, all the tar files...How would I go about installing it in ubuntu?
<DarthShrine> graft, I thought so, but nopr
<ejofee> Frogzoo: my /etc/init.d/ is already populated with a lot of scripts waiting to be automatically run from startup (some of which i am also eager to run)
<ejofee> s/from/at/
<Blue-Steel> !easysource
<ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
<graft> DarthShrine: what do you mean, nopr? they don't load or what?
<Frogzoo> ejofee: then tell bum to run them, & it will symlink where needed
<DarthLappy> graft, They load, they just don't seem to do anything :)
<graft> DarthLappy: did you load alsa modules?
<graft> and do you have alsa libs installed?
<DarthLappy> graft, I shall try once again
<graft> i hate all those alsa modules... this is why i always build them into the kernel
<Russ_> I would echo Tido's question. I'd like to set up my Ubuntu computer as a VPN server. Where would I start?
<graft> there's any number of VPN packages in the ubuntu repository
<Tido> Russ_, I just found openVPN and Poptop as solutions
<Bytewalker> will ubuntu work off the cd with my "Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN"? (from winxp ipconfig /all)
<Tido> though, their names are all I know about them atm :p
<Blue-Steel> what is the name of the full kde package ?
<DarthLappy> graft, And after loading all those modules...?
<DarthLappy> Should it magically work?
<ejofee> Frogzoo: i know how to start them up from bum, it's just that there's no option like "also start on next boot up"
<nalioth_zZz> Blue-Steel: kubuntu-desktop
<graft> DarthLappy: should...
<Russ_> Tido: I've heard of OpenVPN. Looking up some setup instructions now.
<DarthShrine> graft, Doesn't seem to.
<graft> Russ_, Tido: there's a buncha vpn packages in the repository...
<graft> including openvpn
<DarthShrine> graft, Should I compile the newest kernel maybe?
<DarthShrine> graft, And the newest ALSA?
<graft> DarthShrine: um... have you got all the ALSA libs?
<graft> you don't need to compile ALSA libs, the ones in the repository should be fine...
<lunari> w00t! I figured something out for myself!
<jehnx> Anyone willing to help me get my usb sound adapter to work?
<DarthShrine> graft, I *think* so. Though I dunno...I have alsa-base, alsa-oss, alsa-utils
<jehnx> I usually hear crickets when I ask that.  :-/
<Frogzoo> ejofee: ok, try 'sudo update-rc.d service defaults' & rerun bum
<graft> DarthShrine: got libasound1 and all that?
<ejofee> Frogzoo: you actually mean update-rc.d saves the current running/(not running) status of the processes?!
<DarthShrine> graft, libasound2
<graft> libasound2 i mean
<graft> yeah
<graft> um.
<graft> what're you using to test it?
<DarthShrine> graft, The alsamixer command
<DarthShrine> I don't really know what I should be using...
<noumaan> I have some questions not relevant to ubuntu but Open Source
<Frogzoo> ejofee: no - but update-rc.d will create symlinks in rc*.d for any init.d script
<ejofee> noumaan: it doesn't matter, go on
<IzeyJr> is there a generic way to get most packages to build sources?
<noumaan>  We are working on a project to digitalize Urdu Ebooks like Project Gutenberg. We are creating html pages aswell as unicode text for library. I wanted to know how do I let the search engines know that the document we are uploading is licensed under GNU ?
<graft> DarthShrine: um... alsamixer doesn't work, eh... that's not encouraging at all
<Frogzoo> ejofee: once the script has an rc*.d symlink, you can change the priority through bum
<graft> what's the error say?
<DarthShrine> graft, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied
<Tido> I don't get it, why would you want to use IPX for a VPN?
<graft> Permission denied?
<graft> try it as root?
<DarthLappy> Indeed.
<DarthLappy> graft, That works.
<Frogzoo> noumaan: you could pass a meta tag - there may even be a standard for doing this
<graft> okay... got mplayer?
<graft> play some mp3 as root with mplayer
<Frogzoo> noumaan: or... just append a copyright footer
<DarthShrine> graft, "sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" "bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied"
<ejofee> noumaan: i don't think there's some special functionality of search engines to distinguish gpl from non-gpl stuff
<graft> DarthShrine: err, did you modprobe snd_pcm_oss anyway?
<graft> you might have to add your user to the audio group
<Kovecses> so the dapper date moved huh?
<DarthShrine> graft, Yes.
<jehnx> Anyone willing to help me get my usb sound adapter to work?
<DarthShrine> graft, Oh.
<Frogzoo> Kovecses: yup
<graft> and then relog so your groups will be updated
<Kovecses> Frogzoo, ahh..... well i guess they gotta do what they gotta do
<graft> so long as they don't end up  like Debian!
<ejofee> noumaan: i guess simply mentioning it on the bottom of each page would be enough (something like "copylefted under gpl")
<graft> are they pushing back enough for KDE4 to be in dapper?
<Frogzoo> Kovecses: I just don't see any reason to upgrade atm - breezy meets all my needs
<Kovecses> graft, the process of making .debs is long
<Hobbsee> graft: definetly not
<Kovecses> Frogzoo, oh i totally agree
<CoolGal22> Anyone tell me how to install KDE 3.5 in Ubuntu from a disc?
<graft> Frogzoo: it's not about needs, it's about WANTS
<Frogzoo> graft: lol :D
<Kovecses> Frogzoo, although im on gentoo atm
<CoolGal22> I am confused by "konstruct"
<ejofee> noumaan: however, i recommend that you use english instead of urdu, as most people in the usa have strong difficulties in understanding urdu
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, add the repo.. and apt-get it
<ejofee> noumaan: (that was a joke) :)
<Frogzoo> ejofee: phew...
<DarthShrine> graft, How do I add my user to the audio group?
<CoolGal22> Kove, is it in the repo yet?
<CoolGal22> I dont think it is
<graft> DarthShrine: sudo adduser whoeverthefuck audio
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, not in the main repo... but there are repos
<Frogzoo> DarthShrine: sudo vi /etc/group & add your user id to audio
<ejofee> Frogzoo: were you getting ready for another reply? :)
<CoolGal22> Kove I am not downloading 100 MB of stuff on a 14.4 modem when I have it on a DVD already
<DarthLappy> I hate not having used Linux for a while...I forgot everything and I feel like a noob
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, what do you have on dvd
<CoolGal22> KDE 3.5, all of the files
<CoolGal22> all the tar files
<graft> tar files?!
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, have fun with that
<graft> you're going to build KDE from scratch?
<CoolGal22> It is a prepackaged DVD, I bought it
<cafuego> Don't download tar files for Ubuntu.
<Frogzoo> ejofee: I wasn't sure where that was headed
<cafuego> Ubuntu is pre-built, putting some self-compiled unpatched source on top will _break_ things.
<CoolGal22> graft, I hear it takes a couple days to compile but many people on the forums I visit seem to have done it
<graft> yeah, maybe
<cafuego> CoolGal22: A better bet is to order a free Dapper CD when it is released.
<graft> people have also shot themselves in the foot
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, yeah but in the end it wont be worth it
<graft> but i'm not gonna do it
<CoolGal22> When will Dapper be released?
<FlannelKing> CoolGal22: June 1
<Frogzoo> 1 june supposedly
<cafuego> June, looks like
<Russ_> haha
<graft> CoolGal22: go visit a friend with a cable modem, download the debs and burn them to a disk
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, if you want to compile use gentoo
<CoolGal22> I am a newb so I have two discs, one for Ubuntu and one for Mandriva 2006
<CoolGal22> Honestly Mandriva is slightly easier
<Kovecses> mandriva sucks
<FlannelKing> CoolGal22: wait for Ubuntu 6  to decide that ;)
<jehnx> Mandriva definitely has the easiest installation, but you'll likely enjoy ubuntu more.
<CoolGal22> It is what it is, but for me EVERYTHING worked outta the box
<Kovecses> ubuntu, gentoo.  only ways to go... or fedora
<cafuego> CoolGal22: You can use 'Syanptic' to generatye a package download script, which you can run on another box with decent internet access.
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: that will happen sometimes - even for windows ;)
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, think of it this way..... you take a couple days to compile or a day to download the ubuntu packages that install in 5 minutes
<CoolGal22> On Ubuntu I had to change the xorg.conf file to recognixe proper resolution
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: that's very hardware dependent
<lunari> Is there a command to delete a directory from the shell and everything that's in the directory also?
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, for the record....... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... would have set your reso
<Frogzoo> lunari: rm -rf xxx           (take care you name the right directory, using '.' is bad practice)
<Phlosten^> lunari, 'rm -r directory'
<CoolGal22> However, Ubuntu does seem to have the balance for a newd, easy but challenging enough to learn..Nothing as hard as Slackware (what a nightmare for me) and not as newb oriented as Mandriva
<DarthLappy> graft, Well, now that command runs, nothing comes out of my headphones or speakers though. Also, when I was in the LiveCD, I remember having to change the audio device.
<Kovecses> CoolGal22, ever try gentoo?
<CoolGal22> I hear a ton about gentoo but I hear you have to compile it yourself..Sounds worse than Slackware to me
<cafuego> Kovecses: P'ah. Compared to Slack 3 gentoo is for kiddies.
<Blue-Steel>  CoolGal22  nop
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: the big difference, for me, is documentation, the community, and stability
<Blue-Steel>  it compiles itself with emerge
<Kovecses> cafuego, how so..... this coming from a ubuntu user?
<Blue-Steel> gentoo rocks ;)
<IzeyJr> whats mcop stand for?
<cafuego> Kovecses: I run Ubuntu *now* on *this* amchine, but haven't always :-)
<CoolGal22> If I can find a disc at the bookstore I will try gentoo
<Kovecses> cafuego, slack 3?
<cafuego> Kovecses: Started with Slackware 3.0 on a 486
<cafuego> Kovecses: The joy of a floppy install...
<Kovecses> cafuego, oh i see........ i never said gentoo was hard?
<CoolGal22> Ok back to my original q....On ubuntu i am having issues getting apps to minimize to my tray without dissapearing..Any trick I need to know?
<Kovecses> cafuego, i think gentoo is ver very easy
<graft> CoolGal22: which apps?
<Blue-Steel> Kovecses  thanks  to the wiki and docs :)
<cafuego> Kovecses: Yeah, just wastes so much time, though.
<CoolGal22> Mainly Firestarter and Gaim
<cafuego> (and raises the power bill)
<CoolGal22> I even configured firestarter to go to my tray but it still will not..
<graft> Firestarter...
<roxanne> Can anyone help me?
<CoolGal22> so I have to run it in a separate workspace
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: look for an appn option to minimize on close - at least for firestarter this is necessary
<CoolGal22> On Mandriva, it behaves fine, nice little icon on the taskbar
<graft> and for gaim i think
<IzeyJr> when I try to setup audio in wine it crashes saying "Creating link /home/james/.kde/socket-IzeyJr.         can't create mcop directory"
<Kovecses> cafuego, yeah it sucks waiting to compile....but i have installed everything..... ubuntu is for my lappy
<CoolGal22> Frog, Already did..The box is checked
<graft> actually no you can minimize gaim
<roxanne> I just installed Ubuntu, and my computer is really slow.
<Bytewalker> will a "Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN" WIRELESS laptop thingy work??
<noumaan> roxanne,  try ubuntulite
<batman> bleh can someone please help me with installing my wifi with ndiswrapper... i did it before and used the same exact files but for some reason its not working now o.O
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: have you removed your messages applet from the toolbar?
* DarthShrine pokes graft..."Any answer?"
<Hobbsee> !tell Bytewalker about wireless
<cafuego> Bytewalker: It will on Ubuntu Dapper (to be released in 2 1/2 months)
<dmizer> i updated my thunderbird 1.5 with a new extention, and now its not looking in the right place for my mail settings.  my mail is still there, but it doesn't show up.
<CoolGal22> Frogzoo, messages applet?
<roxanne> I posted a message on a forum, but they told me to "disable nonessential services"
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: *notification*
<graft> err sorry, Darth
<graft> um... change the audio device?
<roxanne> What is ubuntulite?
<CoolGal22> Frog, I am not sure what u mean
<DarthShrine> graft, Um, how?
<noumaan> roxanne,  or go to synaptic and search for ICEWM install it and log back in on logon screen use sessions and change to ICEWM
<cafuego> roxanne: What sort or cpu/ram does your computer have?
<Kovecses> yeah what is ubuntulite
<graft> DarthShrine: no i mean, what the heck do you mean by 'change the audio device'?
<roxanne> what is synaptic?
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: try right click on menu bar -> add applet -> utilities -> notification area
<Mabus06> what version of xchat comes with ubuntu?
<roxanne> I know nothing, seriously I've been using this for a day.
<Kovecses> 2.4.5
<graft> Mabus06: what version of ubuntu?
<Kovecses> i think
<IzeyJr> man I'm ganna have to reinstall I am using gnome desktop why it is goin to KDE is unknown to me
<dmizer> roxanne: it's your package manager.  it's how you add programs.
<Mabus06> graft: breezy, 386
<lunari> I just installed Breezy on another system of mine, had to edit the xorg.conf and such to get it to boot into x
<lunari> and then
<CoolGal22> Frogzoo Ur a genius, there pops Firestarter and gaim!
<lunari> i fix it, reboot
<roxanne> it's a 1.5 ghz with 256 kb
<CoolGal22> on my toolbar
<DarthShrine> graft, System->Preferences->Sound...There's an audio device box. On the LiveCD there were two options, and the one that wasn't selected by default worked.
<Kovecses> IzeyJr, just pick gnome at login
<lunari> log in, and it updates itself from ubuntu to edubuntu!
<cafuego> You mean Mb, right?
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: well I do have my good days - glad this helped
<roxanne> yeah...
<roxanne> sorry
<CoolGal22> LOL
<lunari> automatically!, is there a way to change it back?
<Bytewalker> THANKS BTW!!
<serph> does ubuntu generate ipv6 IPs by default?
<CoolGal22> Other than that annoyance, everything seems to work great on ubuntu now
<roxanne> how do I change the package manager?
<Frogzoo> roxanne: please don't do that
<graft> DarthShrine: err, you mean like hw:0 or something?
<CoolGal22> Does ubuntu come with mp3 support?
<roxanne> ok
<CoolGal22> or must I get a decoder from the repos?
<Frogzoo> !tell CoolGal22 about restricted
<DarthShrine> graft, I dunno.
<cafuego> !restrictedformats
<ubotu> I heard restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
<graft> well what's listed now?
<DarthShrine> graft, In there? Nothing
<roxanne> how do I disable nonessential services? I have no printer and no network.
<DarthShrine> In alsamixer it says Realtek 880
<graft> ah... you still have permissions problems, methinks
<graft> although on what i'm not sure...
<kingspawn> roxanne, system->admin->services
<roxanne> I have so many questions! How would I change to ubuntu Lite?
<lunari> whats the command to copy a file?
<kingspawn> lunari, cp
<roxanne> thanks
<lunari> ty
<CoolGal22> Frogzoo, restriced?
<lunari> and where is the xorg.conf located once again?
<lunari> lol
<miguel> HI, I'm new to unbunu and linux. I'm not being able to play my mp3 files on ubuntu.
<miguel> what should i do? dwnload some package?
<kingspawn> !restrictedformats
<ubotu> methinks restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
<serph> miguel, look over here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<dmizer> miguel: you need the w32codecs.
<roxanne> does anyone have any suggestions which service to disable first?
<graft> DarthShrine: do you get the same error message if you run alsamixer as user still?
<roberto> c' qualcuno che parla l'italiano?
<bluefoxicy> ubotu, sudo
<ubotu> [sudo]  a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22 check ubotu's pm
<CoolGal22> Frogzoo I did but I dont understand what he is talking about
<DarthShrine> graft, Nope
<CoolGal22> he gave me a link but didnt explain
<graft> that works ok?
<frantic> quick question or two, can anyone tell me what version of mono is in dapper drake repositories?
<graft> and mixer volume is up?
<Frogzoo> CoolGal22: the wiki page explains how to install all proprietary drivers, codecs etc.
<pk_volt> how do i find out what my ubuntu version is?
<graft> by default it's usually at 0
<jbritz22> is it possible to move files to a ntfs partition from linux?
<Frogzoo> pk_volt: cat /etc/issue
<frantic> not really jbritz
<frantic> you can do it from the windows side thanks to a few programs that read ext partitions
<Frogzoo> pk_volt: actually, cat /proc/version is preferable
<jbritz22> Fracture, damn, that kinda sucks, I had like an 11 gb partition for music on windows for music, sucks I cant use it, I can read from it...but damn
<CoolGal22> Frogzoo why do some distros come with mp3 support and others not?
<frantic> if you really need to be able to write to a partition with both windows and linux, you should use a fat32 partition
<graft> jbritz22: that's not really true, there's write support for ntfs in the latest kernels
<graft> and i think it's even considered safe by now...
<graft> but you might have to compile the module yourself
<frantic> woah, since when?
<frantic> oh hmm
<graft> dunno, 2.6.8 or something?
<frantic> well ok, anyone running dapper drake?
<FlannelKing> yep.
<cafuego> Nearly everyone on #ubuntu+1
<jbritz22> graft, i think I have the latest kernel
<graft> i am
<Phlosten> frantic, try #ubuntu+1
<frantic> can you tell me what version of mono dapper drake uses?
<graft> jbritz22: yeah but they might not have enabled write support for ntfs in the module they built for ubuntu
<jbritz22> graft, damn...
<arrinmurr> isn't it only possible to modify existing files on a ntfs partition, not create new ones?
<jbritz22> graft, can you give me a chmod command to at least try?
<graft> chmod command?
<jbritz22> well, something to change the permissions
<jbritz22> doesnt chmod do that?
<graft> yeah...
<Phlosten> jbritz22, you need to modify /etc/fstab
<graft> what do you want to chmod?
<graft> arrinmurr: yeah you can't make new files...
<Phlosten> or do a manually mount if it isnt already mounted
<roccociro_> #hackernet
<jbritz22> graft, /media/hda5
<Phlosten> moron
<roccociro_> #hacker
<FlannelKing> #cheese
<Phlosten> #moron
<graft> hmm... #moron actually sounds like a fun channel
<TPS> hello
<graft> !ask
<TPS> does anyone in here have kde ubuntu?
<graft> kubuntu
<graft> i do
<Phlosten> the world is full of too many morons, and that aint fun
<gimmulf> When is next ubuntu version released?
<graft> some of them are even president
<TPS> i like gnome
<graft> june, gimmulf
<gimmulf> oki :)
<Phlosten> graft, oddly enough, yes
<Madpilot> gimmulf, June 1st, I think
<frantic> juuuunne??? i was thinking it'd be aprilish
<graft> it was supposed to be...
<Phlosten> pushed back 6 weeks
<TPS> i just installed ubuntu today
<jbritz22> graft, /media/hda5 is what I wanna chmod, whats the command to make it writeable by anyone
<TPS> its sweet
<frantic> fair enough
<Phlosten> ish
<TPS> i like slackware better though
<Phlosten> jbritz22, forget the chmod reference
<gimmulf> Is there any great framework to use for webbdevelopers in linux btw? im currently just using VIM but it takes time, would be great with some kind of developing platform
<Frogzoo> jbritz22: the perms of the device don't matter but the perms on the mounted file system
<gimmulf> framework maybe wasnt the best word
<frantic> ok please, how can i find out what packages are currently in dapper drake repositories
<Phlosten> jbritz22, do you want to mount that device read/write everytime you boot ubuntu?
<ejofee> how do i specify it in bum that i want a certain service to be run at the next startup?
<acetech> gimmulf: checkout screem and bluefish
<jbritz22> phlosten, if you mean, be able to read/write to it everytime, yes
<gimmulf> oki
<Phlosten> frantic, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
<frantic> thanks
<KakiPukul> hi ubuntu'ers
<zErO-bReAk> ai alguien de chile?
<Phlosten> jbritz22, you need to open the /etc/fstab file in a terminal text editor and modify it
<Frogzoo> !es
<Pietras1988> http://s2.bitefight.pl/c.php?uid=35036
<ejofee> what is the meaning of k20 and s20?
<ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
<Phlosten> jbritz22, with 'sudo'
<Phlosten> jbritz22, do you know how to do that?
<frantic> oh excellent, mono 1.1.13
<graft> gimmulf: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=ebe7b79cc4b1c5da24b809e79a9a8957&t=409044
<jbritz22> Phlosten, yup, i got it in gedit now
<KakiPukul> ejofee: L those are "kill" and "start" script with their order
<jbritz22> Phlosten, what do I change
* frantic is tempted to dist-upgrade
<Phlosten> jbritz22, have you opened it as a SU?
<jbritz22> yes
<jbritz22> phlosten, http://pastebin.com/615703
<ejofee> KakiPukul: wow, cool... but why do half of my services have priority 20? what does this mean? "do not start"?
<Phlosten> jbritz22, follow the format of the other entries, append an extra line at the bottom
<DarthLappy> graft, Well, now that command runs, nothing comes out of my headphones or speakers though. Also, when I was in the LiveCD, I remember having to change the audio device.
<DarthLappy> Oops
<DarthLappy> Success! Is what I meant to say.
<KakiPukul> ejofee: , do you know how init start services?
<jbritz22> http://pastebin.com/615704 does that look right?
<Phlosten> *loooks*
<graft> DarthLappy: what was your issue?
<DarthLappy> graft, I needed to log out I think. Hehe
<graft> ah
<graft> yeah that's annoying about groups
<graft> one of the few basic flaws in the Lunix operating system
<DarthLappy> Oh well, guess I should auto modprobe those modules now?
<dj-fu> ejofee, priority 20 means 'only run when nothing else is running'
<dj-fu> iirc.
<graft> yeh
<ejofee> KakiPukul: i don't know... i guess it's something like i see in msconfig.exe startup tab, right?
<Phlosten> jbritz22, where'd you get all the option tags from?
<zF> what can I use in Ubuntu to extract rars?
<KakiPukul> nay,, ejofee
<dj-fu> zF, rar
<dj-fu> (/clap)
<jbritz22> phlosten, just took it from the other one
<ejofee> dj-fu: i thought priority 20 simply meant "this app is the 20th to be started"
<miguel> thank u guys. mp3 works now.
<KakiPukul> init will start services according to the file sys default file tree, in order A-Z 1-20
<zF> dj-fu, thanks a lot - very helpful
<KakiPukul> 1-99 :)
<Phlosten> jbritz22, well the 'ro' will mount it read-only
<zF> what can I use in Ubuntu to extract rars?
<Phlosten> jbritz22, you dont want that
<dj-fu> zF, 'unrar'
<dj-fu> zF, `apt-cache show unrar`
<graft> jbritz22: that last line doesn't belong there, eh
<zF> dj-fu, I have unrar-free
<zF> but both unrar and rar are not coming up as commands in bash.
<dj-fu> It's on the multiverse.
<KakiPukul> in order to get "KXX" script will be executed first, where XX start from -00 till 99, ejofee, listening? nvm
<zF> Yes, I have the package.
<ejofee> what priority should i choose in order for a service to *actually* run?
<ejofee> KakiPukul: i am following, yes
<zF> unrar-free is already the newest version.
<zF> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 26 not upgraded.
<Phlosten> jbritz22, just checking something, bear with me
<dj-fu> Setting up unrar (3.5.4-0.1) ...
<dj-fu> What's unrar-free?
<jbritz22> graft, ok
<lunari> Is there a way to check to see which video card driver is actually being used?
<KakiPukul> and next after all the "KXX" scripts are done... init continues to "SXX" where XX is still 00 till 99, scripts with lower number is executed first, because that's how linux read the fs...
<KakiPukul> so, to setup a script at lower priority, XX must be very high, 99 for example
<ejofee> KakiPukul: what is the purpuse of their being so confusing for the beginner?
<Phlosten> jbritz22, change it to '/dev/hda5  /mnt/hda5  ntfs  defaults  0 0'
<Phlosten> jbritz22, you then need to create the /mnt/hda5 directory
<KakiPukul> ejofee: , the basic idea that kill script first, and then start script later
<Phlosten> jbritz22, then prob best to reboot
<KakiPukul> K comes before S in English alphabet right?
<jbritz22> phlosten, is that right, http://pastebin.com/615710 then jkust mkdir /mnt/hda5
<eddie> hi everyone, I'm having problems running "apt-get install" when I install packeges
<Phlosten> jbritz22, yer
<Phlosten> jbritz22, to save rebooting you could unmount it (if you have it mounted now) and then run 'mount -a'
<jbritz22> phlosten, ok, how do I unmount
<Phlosten> jbritz22, what did mount it with?
<jbritz22> jbritz22, just a simple script
<jbritz22> jbritz22, someone in here told me about it
<Phlosten> jbritz22, your in gnome?
<jbritz22> Phlosten, fluxbox
<Pistahh> hi
<DrBanzai> Hi
<lunari> In my Xorg.0.log it says: LoadModule: "fglrx" then a few lines down.. Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc." compiled for 6.8.0, module version = 8.23.7 Module class: X.org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
<lunari> Does that mean that it IS using the fglrx driver? so I have hardware acceleration?
<graft> lunari: depends if you have the right libs installed
<Pistahh> I have a fresh install of flight4+upgrade from the net. I get ip address by dhcp. When I boot, I get the ip address but /etc/resolv.conf is not updated by the nameserver. If I manually do an ifdown+ifup eth0, then it is updated. Is this a known problem?
<graft> the real test is to run fgl_glxgears in X
<Phlosten> jbritz22, to be honest i havent ever unmounted anything, you could just reboot?
<lunari> because I am only getting around 30fps on the screensaver with the ants, and under 400 in glxgears
<jbritz22> one sec
<jbritz22> anyone in here know how to unmount from terminal?
<lunari> which is what I got using the regular ati driver that comes with ubuntu
<lunari> brb
<dj-fu> jbritz22, 'unmount /path/to/mount'
<DrBanzai> lunari, also which kernel are you using?
<Phlosten> jbritz22, just noticed it may be 'umount'
<DrBanzai> Also, 'umount /dev/whatever' works too, if you know the /dev name
<graft> jbritz22: umount <directory>
<jbritz22> ok
<jbritz22> thanks
<dragoon> hey guys, whats the kernel source package called in ubuntu ?
<Phlosten> knew it was simple, just couldnt think
<dragoon> for the latest 2.6 kernel in 5.10
<graft> linux-source-2.6.whatever
<dj-fu> kernel header or kernel source?
<dragoon> source
<Phlosten> brb
<dj-fu> apt-cache search `uname -r`|grep source
<dragoon> thanks guys
<dj-fu> may just be linux-kernel-source
<dj-fu> is on Dapper anyway
<jbritz22> ok im gonna try it now
<jbritz22> got it unmounted and mounted succesfullymethinks
<dragoon> dj-fu: can i upgrade to dapper easily ?
<dragoon> without reinstalling
<dj-fu> Dunno about easily
<DrBanzai> Anybody had any luck getting a BroockTree 878 working under Ubuntu?
<dj-fu> will be a lot of packages
<dragoon> dj-fu: that doesnt bother me
<dj-fu> then sure
<dragoon> would i just need to change the entrys in my apt config ?
<dj-fu> replace all the 'breezy' with 'dapper' in your /var/apt/sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade
<dragoon> thanks
<graft> apt-get update first, obviously
<dragoon> yeah
<DrBanzai> Will upgrading like that screw up the things that my "extras" CD did?
<graft> anyone here run dovecot?
<dragoon> this is one of those times i want faster internet then 512k adsl
<graft> DrBanzai: it'll just upgrade... if there's newer packages, they'll be installed... if there aren't, it'll stay in place
<DrBanzai> Sweet...
<DrBanzai> Thanks graft
<jbritz22> Phlosten, ok, I dont think I can access it at allnow
<dragoon> dj-fu: is dapper overly stable ?
<graft> dapper is plenty stable
<dj-fu> dragoon, it's stable enough for me to use.. but I like unstable things. I just like runing the latest packages
<dj-fu> but in most cases, yes, It's stable.
<dj-fu> in the sense of a final release stable, no, it's not.
<Phlosten> jbritz22, did you 'mount -a'?
<jbritz22> Phlosten, yes
<dragoon> dj-fu: seeing i run ~x86 gentoo on my other boxes :)
<graft> so... what's after dapper, anyway?
<DrBanzai> Is it safe to assume that dapper is the latest release?
<Phlosten> jbritz22, no errors?
<graft> dapper is the latest not-yet-release
<farous> anyone know of a good program to capture what is happening on the screen and capture sound from my mike. I am trying to make a wmv presentation and need something to capture the screen in video mode
<jbritz22> Phlosten, none, but say in, amaroK i get an error, and it says cannat access hda5
<zF> Question
<Pistahh> farous: try google linux+create+screencast
<zF> How can I transfer files from my Linux partition to my windows partition?
<farous> thanx Pistahh
<Phlosten> jbritz22, you created the directory ok? you can see if in a file browser?
<zF> Google has nothing for me :(
<dj-fu> dragoon, Gentoo looked alright, I don't have the time to wait around for my base system to compile though
<Madpilot> DrBanzai, Dapper hasn't been fully released yet - there are betas available to test, if you're brave
<dj-fu> Brave people rock
<dragoon> welll in..... 3.5 hours ill be running dapper on here (laptop)
<jbritz22> Phlosten, I dotn wanna load nautilus up cause it messes with my flux, any alternativces
<dj-fu> Test it out, show it off - it's beautiful.
<dragoon> dj-fu: thats when you use stage3
<DrBanzai> Ahh, ok, thanks Madpilot
<dragoon> i end up recompiling the base system anyway
<dragoon> i use distcc, so i have about 5 pcs that are 2ghz + compiling simultaneously
<cuen> so if you have older hardware, do you turn to gentoo or linux os that work well with old hardware?
<zF> How can I transfer files from my Linux partition to my windows partition?
<Daskies> What is the folder fonts are stored in?
<frantic> compiling your own packages is overrated
<DrBanzai> zF mount your windows partition under Linux, and just copy the files over
<Seveas> Daskies, ~/.fonts and /usr/share/fonts
<jbritz22> Phlosten, any ideas?
<frantic> it's highly debatable whether your executables are going to be any faster, and the time you spend compiling is certainly going to outweigh it
<zF> DrBanzaiy: You cannot copy from Linux to windows in Linux.
<Daskies> Seveas, Thanks
<dragoon> yes you can
<dragoon> its called fat32
<dragoon> ;)
<DrBanzai> Says you, I've done it...
<dragoon> or captive-ntfs
<zF> Seveas: what's the program (or web app) used to copy files from Linux --> Windows?
<farous> jbritz22: just use natalius --no-desktop. This will preserve your desktop and will not mess anything
<dragoon> that uses the windwos ntfs.sys to read/write ntfs
<farous> jbritz22: how does natalius mess your flux ? it is working flawlessly here
<jbritz22> farous, sweet
<KonphuzeD> hey there, unfortunately ive come across my first failed ubuntu install
<jbritz22> farous, last time the wallpaper covered my menu bar and I couldnt access anything
<zF> DrBanzai: If you're correct, excuse me for being ignorant.
<DrBanzai> Well zF, first is your windows partition Fat32 or NTFS?
<zF> NTFS.
<farous> jbritz22: to get the fonts. run gnome-settings-daemon first put it in your startup
<DrBanzai> Ok, and which Linux do you use?
<alimh> I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop. Where can I change parameters of powernowd when the comptuer starts?
<farous> jbritz22: the no desktop option will do the trick. otherwise check roxfiler
<jbritz22> Phlosten, i can acceess hda5 with nautilus
<jbritz22> Phlosten, dunno why amaroK is being whiny
<LesleyW> KonphuzeD, what went wrong?
<DrBanzai> zF?  Which Linux do you use?  I assume Ubuntu, but which version?
<zF> DrBanzai Ubuntu Dapper Drake
<zF> I know there's a program in Windows that allows you to copy
<zF> Even a web app
<KonphuzeD> 80 gig sata drive that was preformatted as 40GB dedicated to a Fresh WinXP install (no hassles or problems there yet) leaving the rest to be dedicatd to ubuntu install. This went fine until the buntu install was formatting the remainder of the drive. it seemed to hang and fail formatting / and or /swap each time
<DrBanzai> zF, ok, the only way I know to do it, is from the command prompt...
<farous> ok than you all
<farous> .exit
<zF> Seveas: Do youk now the program that allows you to copy from your Linux partition in Windows?
<jbritz22> Phlosten, in amarok I get an error, could not enter folder /mnt/root, do I have to run amarok as root?
<dragoon> zF: what filesystem ?
<frantic> there's a kernel mod for windows that allows you to read ext partitions like normal disks
<zF> dragoon: NTFS
<KonphuzeD> i used the rescue cd as indicated and got the 2 partitions formatted succesffully and did another install attempt
<frantic> one sec, i have it on my windows partition, i'll look
<KakiPukul> KonphuzeD:  formatted using, the ubuntu's installer formatter or gparted?
<dragoon> zF: your linux partition
<zF> dragoon: ext 3
<frantic> there's explore2fs which is a program
<dragoon> cant write to it in windows
<dragoon> can read, just not write
<KonphuzeD> first install formatter then rescue disk qtparted isnt it?
<frantic> there's also Ext2IFS
<dragoon> cant write to ext3
<zF> frantic: that's the one, thanks
<HymnToLife> dragoon> wrong
<HymnToLife> http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/
<zF> !explore2fs
<dragoon> i know what it is
<dragoon> and when ive used it
<dragoon> it hasnt written
<KonphuzeD> then the install by passed the format part and started unpacking files which got to unpacking mii to 42% and then appeared to freeze again
<HymnToLife> dragoon> worked like a charm for me
<dragoon> mok
<KakiPukul> KonphuzeD: did you install fine with other OSes installers?
<jbritz22> whats the command to run a program as root?
<kingspawn> jbritz22, sudo
<ph1qt10n> how can i remove the mounted icon on the desktop?
<jbritz22> ok
<HymnToLife> or gksudo if it's a grphical appp
<jbritz22> thanks kingspawn
<damian_> whats this
<damian_> checking for g++... no
<damian_> checking for c++... no
<damian_> checking for gpp... no
<damian_> checking for aCC... no
<damian_> checking for CC... no
<damian_> checking for cxx... no
<damian_> checking for cc++... no
<damian_> checking for cl... no
<damian_> checking for FCC... no
<damian_> checking for KCC... no
<damian_> checking for RCC... no
<dragoon> damian_: stop!
<HymnToLife> !tell damian_ about pastebin
<alimh> when in the laptop boot process does powernod get called? how do i modify the parameters?
<frantic> haha looks like u need compilerz
<damian_> checking for xlC_r... no
<kingspawn> damian_, sudo apt-get install build-essential - and dont paste here
<damian_> checking for xlC... no
<damian_> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
<damian_> See `config.log' for more details.
<dragoon> damian_: stop ffs
<damian_> damian@thiscomputer:~/lmms$
<damian_> oops didnt mean to paste so much
<KakiPukul> yo, pastebin please
<Seveas> !tell damian_ about compiling
<Seveas> !tell damian_ about pastebin
<Seveas> !tell damian_ about rules
<KakiPukul> damian_: , btw please isntall "build-essential" first
<KonphuzeD> i believe mii is related to the nforce 430/410 chipset - eth controller on the board as the bios enables setting the onboard gig ethernet to mii mode  aswell the installers network autoconfig failed even though the router hands out dhcp
<ph1qt10n> how can i remove the mounted icon on the desktop?
<HymnToLife> ph1qt10n> right click > Unmount
<KonphuzeD> XP installed with out a hitch
<KakiPukul> "sudo apt-get install build-essential" >> damian_, or install it using GUI tools like "synaptic" or "aptitude"
<number5> how can i configure right video card driver for a DELL desktop
<KonphuzeD> with xp i then installed the motherboard cd drivers, avg, spybotS&D, blackvipered the services. all with out a hitch
<ph1qt10n> HymnToLife: the question was to remove the icon, not to unmount the volume
<KonphuzeD> oh mozilla of course and uninstalled outlook and msn
<HymnToLife> ph1qt10n> well, unmounting it kind of works =)
<HymnToLife> besides that I don't know...
<damian_> tyanks
<damian_> whats this mean now
<damian_> checking QTDIR... configure: error: *** QTDIR must be defined, or --with-qtdir option given
<ph1qt10n> how can i remove the mounted icon on the desktop?
<damian_> ive always wondered that too
<damian_> i use computer://
<KonphuzeD> does any one know for sure what this mii pacakge is for
<KakiPukul> libqt<version>-dev, damian_
<KakiPukul> btw wth are you trying to compile, damian_?
<damian_> KakiPukul: do i have to install that
<damian_> yes imm just missing some packages
<fyrestrtr> I am trying to build a program, and it is saying that evolution-data-server is not installed, but apt-get reports it as installed. Where is the prefix in ubuntu so I can pass the correct argument to configure?
<KonphuzeD> im a tad concerned this install failure could be realated to the newness of the board and chipset from nvidia
<damian_> oh what
<damian_> LMMS
<fyrestrtr> KonphuzeD: mii-tools ?
<KonphuzeD> thus im curious if a dapper install might be required to make this work. Any input on that idea please
<LesleyW> number5, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
<firebird619> ph1qt10n: check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75710.html        It explains there how to remove the icons for Ubuntu 5.10
<number5> LesleyW, thanks
<KonphuzeD> fyrestrtr, im not familiar with mii or mii-tools  .   do you know what mii stands for?
<ph1qt10n> firebird619: thanks bro
<LesleyW> number5, hope it helps, if not, use the service tag and look up the hardware details on Dell's website
<fyrestrtr> no, but mii-tools is for configuring ethernet cards.
<firebird619> np
<KonphuzeD> hmmmm
<alimh> from which file is powernowd called on boot?
<KonphuzeD> well eth ports are suppose to be simple but realtech based nvidia GB eth ports could easily be another story
<jbritz22> whats the best terminal app to run in fluxbox
<kingspawn> alimh, i suggest you grep the files in /etc for powernowd
<frantic> i've always liked Eterm
<KonphuzeD> wow cool im gonna try this easyubuntu on my box here
<jbritz22> frantic sweet theanks
<jbritz22> frantic sweet thanks*
<alimh> kingspawn: i did "more * | grep powernowd" in the /etc directory and did not find anything
<fyrestrtr> alimh: grep -R powernowd /etc
<alimh> fyrestrtr: oh... thanks. -R = recursive so it goes through all the subdirectories, correct?
<KakiPukul> correcto
<KonphuzeD> well away it goes
<lunari> It's such a cool feeling to know you don't NEED windows for anything
<lunari> I was just able to play WoW emulating it with wine!
<dj-fu> Feh.
<dj-fu> I can't get it working properly on Dapper.
<pabrero> albelda
<dj-fu> Doesn't perform well, at all.
<Frogzoo> KonphuzeD: fyrestrtr any idea how to set my eth0 to 10baseT-FD as default? no autoneg?
<lunari> Sure it doesn't run decent even.. but the fact that I can even run it in linux
<lunari> 800x600 at about 15fps lol
<KonphuzeD> yeah so whats the best project for running microsoft environment based games on ubuntu??
<lunari> I don't know
<vars> KonphuzeD, caldega
<Frogzoo> KonphuzeD: wine usually
<lunari> is caldega pretty good?
<KonphuzeD> Frogzoo, System -> Admin -> Networking
<vars> it sounds good
<dj-fu> Cedega, not caldega
<DrBanzai> I tried to use caldega to ply Ultima Online, and it didn't work.
<dj-fu> never heard of caldega
<number5> what does Cedega do? emulate a DirectX?
<dj-fu> yes, number5 - reverse engineered DX9.
<alimh> exit
<mzinz> I'm looking a BMPx screenshots (I just installed it), and most of them have transparent playlists.. anyone know how to do that?
<dj-fu> transset, maybe :P
<lunari> wow
<dj-fu> enable composite in X
<lunari> they have a 14 day demo of cedega
<lunari> I might have to check it out
<ReWT_AxS> i need some serious help
<jbritz22> what command is it to show me what applications are running, and whats the command to kill a certain application
<ReWT_AxS> The only thing running fine is my failsafe session
<KonphuzeD> ah, raw cacao beans makes it all better
<dj-fu> ReWT_AxS, surely you should be able to haxor it.
<ReWT_AxS> When I boot into my default session, I get an error GDM_Failsafe.GNOME.desktop is not installed?
<dj-fu> with a name like that, one could only imagine your elite hacking skill
<ReWT_AxS> I have no panels
<ReWT_AxS> nor do I have buttons on my windows
<ReWT_AxS> ?
<DrBanzai> jbritz22 at the command prompt it's top to show the running processes and K from in there to kill one off
<ReWT_AxS> Any ideas?
<KonphuzeD> jbritz22,   simply    ps    for all software running,  ps auxw|grep $partialname    will list just a few you are looking for and provide the PID needed to kill it
<KonphuzeD> jbritz22, then     kill -9 $PID    will abruptly drop the process
* xota saluda!
<pabrero> ola
<dj-fu> !es
<ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
<ilba7r> !recording
<ubotu> ilba7r: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<jbritz22> KonphuzeD, thanks :D
<KonphuzeD> E: msttcorefonts: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1   ...   is there some way i can correct this or is it useless cause of being just microsoft fonts
<ReWT_AxS> well, anyone have any help for meh?
<ilba7r> anyone know what i should enable to enable sound recording. Mic is working, capturing is on but can not seem to record with gnome-sound-recorder
<Hobbsee> KonphuzeD: pastebin the entire error?
<Hobbsee> KonphuzeD: and do you have cabextract installed?
<KonphuzeD> that is the entire error
<ilba7r> KonphuzeD, did you have net problems
<KonphuzeD> maybe there is more in a log file somewhere
<KonphuzeD> i may have had net problems but I believe it was all predownloaded
<KonphuzeD> i ran the easyubuntu scripts but may be just the script was downloaded before running.
<KonphuzeD> everything after the mttsfonts installed successfully
<dragoon> easyubuntu ?
<KonphuzeD> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org
<KonphuzeD> ok i now have a window open for congiuring xserver-xorg for my ati card so if sometin goes wrong i'll be back after a reboot
<ilba7r> anyone can help with sound recording i think it is just an option i need to enable
<dragoon> crazy
<bean> hi i need some help
<mzinz> I just got winrar and unarchived it.  Is there a visual UI in the linux version? Or no?  When I execute rar it just gives me a list of possible parameters
<bean> how can i extract 7-zip in ubuntu?
<Frogzoo> mzinz: nautilus can handle rar
<bean> it can't seem to handle 7-zip though
<dragoon> mzinz: rar e extract
<dragoon> er extracts
<KonphuzeD> uh tricky question; enter amount of memory to be used by your video card.    - the card has memory on it already. is this querry looking for the amount of ram on the video card or the amount of mobo RAM to use as video ram??
<mzinz> Frogzoo, meaning I didn't need to DL it?
<dj-fu> KonphuzeD, the amoun of ram on the card
<ilba7r> recording level meter is showing ok i can hear the sound but can not record why?
<DrBanzai> The amount it already has
<KakiPukul> KonphuzeD: , just leave it... it is no necessary
<KonphuzeD> bean, you will find 7-zip with http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org
<Frogzoo> mzinz: sudo apt-get install unrar
<joachim-n> is OOo really so rubbish that I can't drag a file onto the window to open is???
<Frogzoo> joachim-n: try the 2.0.2 test repo
<Frogzoo> !tell joachim-n about ooo2
<ilba7r> ooo2 is rubish it nearly broke the system here
* joachim-n is on 2.0
<mzinz> Frogzoo, thx
<KonphuzeD> use kernel frame buffer device or no ?? is the one that could kill my xserver setup ??
<KakiPukul> joachim-n: , there is no dnd in oo
<KakiPukul> you rub the rubbish now
<mzinz> What is Python?
<fyrestrtr> a programming language
<KakiPukul> it's a snake? mzinz :) nay interpreted programming language
<mzinz> KakiPukul, oh, duh.
<mzinz> XMMS is required if I want the mplayer plugin for mozilla? Do I have any alternatives?
<KakiPukul> yes, gxine plugin... or totem plugins
<DrBanzai> So...how come I don't get any audio when I use amarok?  Xmms works fine...
<KonphuzeD> oh shit I just hit cancel
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: OSS handles only one input at a time - so close xmms & try amarok
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Okay, I've tried that already...
<KakiPukul> you can configure amarok to use Alsa instead
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: from amarok -> settings -> confgr amarok -> engine - check settings
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, My choices are aRts or no engine
<Blue-Steel> where is the grub.conf on ubuntu ? i m asking this because i will be installing windows in on a second partition and unless ubuntu/grub detects it i will have to edit the conf .
<KonphuzeD> oh phew I redid easyubuntu but just the ati drivers and thus rexoncigure x-org and it all appears to happily be done now
<KonphuzeD> a logout then in is the only way to be sure right
<KakiPukul> Blue-Steel: , its "menu.lst" not "grub.conf"
<KakiPukul> "/boot/grub/menu.lst", Blue-Steel
<Blue-Steel> ah thank  you
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, still here?
<stoned> I dunno if I can wait another few weeks.  I want to isntall dapper right now.  I am on debian sid right, and I need a netinstall thingy for dapper
<stoned> !dapper
<ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake. Currently this is BETA software. Release date is June 1 - http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq. /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: mebbe try 'system -> prefs -> multimedia selector - sound output = oss
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Hmmm...it was set to EDS...
<Frogzoo> think oss should fix you up
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Hmmm, I switched it to OSS, and hit the test button, and I get an error that says: Failed to construct pipeline for OSS
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: you are running oss? not esd?
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, To be honest, I'm not sure
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: try alsa
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: default is oss - still try also
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: default is oss - still try alsa
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Ok, the ALSA test works at least, which aRts didn't
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: & amarok?
<ReWT_AxS> okay i created a new user......and the error only seems to be on my main account?
<DBO> frogzoo, whichis better, OSS or ALSA (both work for me)
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, So now under amarok, do I set it to no engine, or aRts?
<Frogzoo> DBO: esd is best - allows multiple, simultaneous sources
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: try both?
<ReWT_AxS> can anyne help me restore my account back to a previous state?
<ReWT_AxS> maybe then the error will go away
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, That would be nice...now when I have XMMS open, I don't get my gAIM sounds
<damian_> awhats the thing i enable to get shadows and shuff like that
<Frogzoo> !esd
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Ok, if I set amarok to no engine, it says can't playback, no engine...so I'll try aRts
<Frogzoo> what's the point in having a bot if they turn it off?
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Hmmm, set to aRts, when I hit play nothing happens.  It dosen't even look like it's playing, in the player window
<stoned> im on sid, how can i install ubutu dapper
<Madpilot> !+botsnack
<ubotu> :)
<Madpilot> Frogzoo, it's not turned off :P
<Frogzoo> !botsnack
<ubotu> thanks frogzoo :)
<Mabus06> What do I do when somebody tries to hack me? my system log is FULL of failed logins from the same user
<Frogzoo> o_O
<Madpilot> Frogzoo, ubotu probably sent you a pm w/ the esd info, it's a long factoid
<DrBanzai> !esd
<jbritz22> hey anyone here familiar with "fluxmenu"?
<Frogzoo> Mabus06: please install a firewall so they can't get access to a remote logon
<fek_> moin
<Mabus06> Frogzoo: but do I report them or something, somewhere? The ip they tried at me from has an ssh server on right now
<Frogzoo> Mabus06: your choice
<dragoon> 1 hour 40 mins until im running dapper
<jbritz22> anyone know how to edit fluxmenu's meny to run something from root
<ReWT_AxS> the error is even in the recovery mode for this main account
<ReWT_AxS> !ndiswrapper
<ReWT_AxS> !tell ReWT_AxS about ndiswrapper
<ReWT_AxS> arg
<ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
<ReWT_AxS> anyone out there?
<ReWT_AxS> how do I reinstall the gnome display manager?
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: apt-get intall --reinstall gdm, or do it in synaptic. the real question is "why"
<Madpilot> apt-get install, even - spelling counts on the command line :P
<Frogzoo> o i c Madpilot, thx
<topyli> Madpilot: "login failed. only perfect spellers may enter this system"
<Madpilot> something like that :P
<ReWT_AxS> topy, i did something to my ubuntu....now when i run as the user i created on install, i get the error, "GDM_Failsafe.GNOME.desktop is not installed" When I boot into my ubuntu, I have no panels, nor do I have buttons on any of my windows? the only thing that boots up on startx is nautilus
<topyli> Madpilot: that was one of the entries in the "error message haiku" contest by salon magazine
<ReWT_AxS> u think if i reinstall gdm it will fix it?
<ReWT_AxS> Every other user works
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: did you check 'output plugin' = oss?
<schmirgo> hi, if i use dapper flight 5 can i use apt-get to update the distro lateron to the final release of dapper or do i have to reinstall?
<Frogzoo> schmirgo: update should work - fingers x'd
<schmirgo> Frogzoo: ok, ill give it a try ^^
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: dunno, but if it only affects only one user, it's not the system's fault. your user's gnome session settings are broken
<Frogzoo> schmirgo: but realise the update process is, like the rest of dapper, currently beta
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, well how do I go about fixing it?
<Mabus06> Frogzoo: is there more I can see in auth log? Like see what password they tried to enter on me?
<schmirgo> Frogzoo: thats ok ;)
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: that's what i was referring to by "dunno" :(
<Frogzoo> Mabus06: /var/log/auth*
<ph1qt10n> how can i convert RPM to DEB
<ReWT_AxS> Anyone know how to fic a users gnome session setting?
<ReWT_AxS> *fix
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: i'd start deleting my gconf and gnome settings in my home directory, outside the gnome session
<Mabus06> Frogzoo: what's the difference between auth.log and auth.0.log?
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Well, now I have it set to ALSA as when I set it to OSS and test it, it gives that unable to create pipeline error
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, how and what do I do after it's deleted?
<weekang> hi
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: sorry, I meant from amarok -> settings -> engine
<weekang> i have trouble accessing a network windows share
<weekang> drive
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: there's an option for 'output plugin'
<jbritz22> can anyone here help me with fluxbox menuy
<Phlosten> jbritz22, find the fluxbox page on the wiki
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: logout, login at the console, delete (or rename) the .gnonfd and .gconf directories
<jbritz22> !fluxbox
<ubotu> it has been said that fluxbox is a lightweight window manager.  Installation instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fluxbox.  More information at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net
<Phlosten> that one
<jbritz22> I dont need installation instructions
<jbritz22> Just need to know how to run something from root from the menu, putting sudo amarok doesnt work
<Phlosten> jbritz22, read that page as there is information about fixing a menu issue with it
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Well, under engine, the only choice I have is aRts, or no engine, and I don't see anyway to configure the engine it's self.
<Phlosten> jbritz22, ah, try 'gksudo
<Frogzoo> Mabus06: auth.log.0 is an archived log
<jbritz22> Phlosten
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, what would the command be, I'm kinda new to this...what will happen when these are deleted, and will i lose my information? (this is on my account i installed ubuntu with)
<jbritz22> Phlosten, ok will do
<Phlosten> jbritz22, graphical sudo
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: half way down the page... output plugin
* Phlosten buggers off
<jbritz22> sweetness
<Mabus06> Frogzoo: So what should I do? Call somebody, or just post in irc.2600.net that 69.72.217.130 has an open sshd server?
<jbritz22> it worked man
<jbritz22> thanks
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Ok, I go under settings, and then I go to configure amarok, and under there I don't have anything that says output plugin
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, On the left, I have "General, Apperance, Playback, OSD, Engine, Collection, Scrobbler"
<dragoon> DrBanzai: try it
<BugS> i upgraded to dapper yesterday, and now the system monitor is reporting 10 times less memory usage
<BugS> how can that be ?
<BugS> firefox and thunderbird used to take over 150MB of memory each
<BugS> now i have 30MB for firefox and about 20MB for thunderbird
<IzeyJr> I reinstalled my sound driver and made sure I booted in gnome and wine still wants to make a KDE folder and link to mcop any ideas on how to fix this?
<razorclaw> how do i install the python source ?
<RolfKaese|x> hay
<jbritz22> why the hell does amarok lag my system so much when I run it from root, it never did this normally
<RolfKaese|x> I have a major problem with my ubuntu / win xp :/
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, what would the command be, I'm kinda new to this...what will happen when these are deleted, and will i lose my information? (this is on my account i installed ubuntu with) dunno if you seen this message haven't gotten a reply, sorry to be a pest :(
<DarthShrine> Don't run it from root?
<jbritz22> DarthShrine, I need to, otherwise can't access my partitions
<DarthShrine> O_o
<Matthewv> hi ESPOiG
<ReWT_AxS> RolfKaese|x, , what's the problem?
<DarthShrine> That doesn't sound normal
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: my setup is different because I'm running esd, but under engine, there's gstreamer confign - output plugin
<RolfKaese|x> yesterday i updated ubuntu since i didnt log on to it for few weeks
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Which engine are you using?
<basti__> what is that software called to rip cd's to mp3s?
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: gstreamer
<RolfKaese|x> it updated the kernel and some more stuff, and it told me that its recommended to reboot, so i did, but afterwards windows xp disappeared from GRUB menu
<DarthShrine> basti__, LAME?
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Ahh, see, I don't have that choice for some reason
<RolfKaese|x> i looked up the menu.lst and the win xp entry is missing
<DarthShrine> basti__, There are many.
<ReWT_AxS> edit your grub boot menu and add it onto it?
<RolfKaese|x> i re-added it but it doesnt work
<basti__> DarthShrine: the easy one with a gui
<RolfKaese|x> by trying to choose it from grub it told me filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: this will probably help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Amarok
<RolfKaese|x> along with error 12 invalid device requested
<ReWT_AxS> hmm dunno? did you check forums? a lot of poeple were having problems with windows dissappearing from grub
<RolfKaese|x> :/
<RolfKaese|x> y i did
<basti__> DarthShrine: I read about it in a howto but forgot what it was called
<RolfKaese|x> but nuthing helped :|
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Thank you!
<IzeyJr> razorclaw...why would ya want to do that when you can goto package manager and just install from there?
<RolfKaese|x> now i went so far using my xp recovery cD
<razorclaw> IzeyJr, wouldn't a apt-get source python work ?
<ReWT_AxS> i dunno mate im having problems with my gnome display manager
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x  did u add it to menu.lst with the right options
<RolfKaese|x> yup
<RolfKaese|x> didnt work
<RolfKaese|x> i could access it through gnome though
<RolfKaese|x> BUT
<IzeyJr> razorclaw....it would be bettter to go to they're website and DL it
<RolfKaese|x> now with recovery console i used "fixmbr"
<RolfKaese|x> and now the partition is missing from the table
<razorclaw> IzeyJr, u mean www.python.org ?
<Matthewv> Isn't part type 0x82 linux swap...??? somebody?
<TraceGreen> hello, how can i get a string's crc32 checksum in linux?
<ReWT_AxS> sounds to me like you deleted your windows partition
<IzeyJr> razorclaw...yeah
<ReWT_AxS> and thats why it wont boot nor show up
<razorclaw> sigh
<RolfKaese|x> which means i cant access it anymore , neither through gnome nor some other stuff
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: you will lose your custom settings and get a default gnome session. you will lose no data
<razorclaw> have to find the right python version
<Matthewv> or deleted the reference to it in the part table
<RolfKaese|x> i dont think i lost any data
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, so my gdesklets and my new background will be gone?
<IzeyJr> razorclaw the package manager will have all versions mine does
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: ah, I have it - you should install either amarok-gstreamer or amarok-xine
<Matthewv> it probably still exists.. just the partition table is gone.. so if you couold access it in linux b4 u should still be able to now..
<weekang> how do i deal with a tar.bz2 file?
<RolfKaese|x> because gnome showed me the partition with format NTFS , i also was able to execute any file there is on it
<ReWT_AxS> if i save my background in a file will it be there when i get the new gnome stuff?
<Frogzoo> weekang: bunzip2
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, Well, I just apt-get'ed amarok-engines, so we;ll see what that does
<RolfKaese|x> no thats the problem
<RolfKaese|x> i cant access it now
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x what does gparted show??
<RolfKaese|x> it still shows me the partition is there
<RolfKaese|x> but i cant access
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: the gdesklets and the background files will still be there, but gnome-sessions won't remenber your settings
<RolfKaese|x> gparted?
<stewski> anyone got tvtime and compiz working together
<ReWT_AxS> so ill just have to readd the background?
<IzeyJr> well I got to figure out why wine thinks I have a KDE desktop instead of Gnome
<marsh>  Question: is it possible to customize an install? OR is there an easy way to uninstall package dependancies? or do I have to find the packages - write down the deps and remove them by hand?
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: yes
<DrBanzai> Looks like I need to reboot or at least re-login now though
<Matthewv> sry RolfKaese|x you probably don't have it installed... if u do it would be in Applications --> System Tools
<ReWT_AxS> alright so how do i go about deleting these things and getting it back?
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, can we pvmsg?
<RolfKaese|x> hmm
<RolfKaese|x> i dunno, i have much stuff there :D
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: renaming: "mv .gconfd .gconfd-backup" and "mv .gconf .gconf-backup"
<razorclaw> IzeyJr, apt-get install python-dev was what i was looking for, sorry
<RolfKaese|x> but i run my ubuntu in german :O
<RolfKaese|x> can i change it to english?
<bicho> exit
<bicho> EXIT
<RolfKaese|x> bugs me that german isnt quite appropriate to fix stuff
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x why would u need to change to english for this?
<RolfKaese|x> because the names of the programs differ
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: it's better to stay in the channel, where others can see if we are making horrible mistakes
<ReWT_AxS> ok
<ReWT_AxS> so those are the only command i use?
<ReWT_AxS> exactly how you typed them
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: yes, they might be enough
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x the program in the package manager will still be called gparted.. so u can just see if its installed, or run gparted from terminal
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: lose the " stuff of course
<ReWT_AxS> will they come back?
<RolfKaese|x> okay wait i look it up
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: yes, but they will be new ones, the ubuntu default
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, so i hit, logout, then login to my user thats messed up and type that stuff before starting xserver?
<ReWT_AxS> login using the shell
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: yes. then login to X and maybe you have a default desktop
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, will I lose my desktop icons? and my custom launchers i made?
<RolfKaese|x> Matthewv i dont have it installed
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: not sure about the launchers, but your folders and files will be there
<ReWT_AxS> k
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x ok... maybe someone who knows more about this can help u further.. i would have liked to see what gparted said.. but it appears that fixmbr somehow removed the ntfs partition from the partition table, meaning that it is still there, just not referenced in the mbr
<RolfKaese|x> installing it now..
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, i'll be right back
<ReWT_AxS> wish meh luck guys
<ReWT_AxS> and ladies if there are any in here
<ReWT_AxS> whats the button to logout?
<ReWT_AxS> or key command
<damian__> hi wheres the file to stop gdm
<ReWT_AxS> ctrl+alt+backspace?
<damian__> gnome services stop or something
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x can u access the partition in linux...
<RolfKaese|x> yeah looks like that, but its strange since it shouldve "fixed" it like actually adding it lol...
<RolfKaese|x> nope
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: yes ctrl-alt-backspace is the quick'n'dirty way
<ReWT_AxS> k
<ReWT_AxS> brb
<RolfKaese|x> its displayed, but not accessable
<RolfKaese|x> ok
<damian__> gnome services stop or something
<RolfKaese|x> opening gparted now
<damian__> hi wheres the file to stop gdm
<damian__> need to stop it respawning
<Frogzoo> suggestions? amarok-engines: Depends: amarok (= 2:1.3.1-0ubuntu4) but 2:1.3.7-0ubuntu4~breezy1 is to be installed
<RolfKaese|x> Matthewv  gparted shows it as unknown file format
<RolfKaese|x> D:
<ReWT_AxS> k well i did it
<damian__> hi wheres the file to stop gdm
<gnomefreak> Frogzoo: is that using the amarok repos?
<damian__> need to stop it respawning
<damian__> hi wheres the file to stop gdm
<damian__> need to stop it respawning
<Frogzoo> gnomefreak: amarok repos?
<ReWT_AxS> and well my custom settings are gone, but i still have no panels and no window buttons
<gnomefreak> !easysource
<ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
<ReWT_AxS> naulilus was still only thing that loaded
<damian__> !respawn
<ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, damian__
<Frogzoo> gnomefreak: I'll give these a go - thx
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x what does the command "sudo fdisk -l" give u (without quotes)?
<gnomefreak> ^^ Frogzoo there are amarok repos to add they should fix that depends issue
<RolfKaese|x> just a sec
<mat02> 3e wszystkim x)
<Mabus06> is there a command to send a password to ssh in one line? ie, ssh -p password user@host or something
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda1   *           1        2550    20482843+   7  HPFS/NTFS
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda2            2551       13326    86558220    f  W95 Erw. (LBA)
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda5            2551       11477    71706096    7  HPFS/NTFS
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda6           11478       11739     2104483+  82  Linux Swap / Solaris
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda7           11740       13059    10602868+  83  Linux
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda8           13060       13068       72261   83  Linux
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda9           13069       13326     2072353+   b  W95 FAT32
<RolfKaese|x> :O
* mode/#ubuntu [+o apokryphos]  by ChanServ
* RolfKaese|x was kicked off #ubuntu by apokryphos (flood)
<basti__> !encode
<ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, basti__
<basti__> !rip
<ubotu> basti__: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<RolfKaese|x> oops
<RolfKaese|x> um
<apokryphos> Mabus06: no, but you can very easily set up ssh keys, so it automatically logs you in
<lcore> Mabus06: afaik there isn't. You should use rsa/dsa passwordless auth or ssh-agent auth in scripts.
<RolfKaese|x> /dev/hda5            2551       11477    71706096    7  HPFS/NTFS
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x sry.. should have warned u.. :)
<RolfKaese|x> :D
<RolfKaese|x> there
<apokryphos> RolfKaese|x: please use a pastebin for large pastes :)
<RolfKaese|x> thats the partition where my windows is located
<RolfKaese|x> its shown as NTFS in fstab list
<schmirgo> Mabus06: man ssh
<RolfKaese|x> :<
<basti__> !mp3
<ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, any more suggestions?
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x so what is the exact error message if you try to go to windows from grub...
<RolfKaese|x> before i sued MBR
<RolfKaese|x> *used
<RolfKaese|x> it was
<RolfKaese|x> root(hd0,5)
<ReWT_AxS> Matthewv, I think he said windows wasn't on grub anymore?
<RolfKaese|x> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
<Matthewv> but he added it...
<RolfKaese|x> yes, after i added it again the things im saying now occured
<RolfKaese|x> Error 12: invalided device requested
<RolfKaese|x> and thats it
<ReWT_AxS> Must have something wrong it in there, RolfKaese|x
<ReWT_AxS> sure you got everything right?
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x Maybe u could paste the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst on pastebin
<RolfKaese|x> wait..
<RolfKaese|x> pastebin?
<RolfKaese|x> :O
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, still around mate?
<apokryphos> !pastebin
<ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
<RolfKaese|x> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10639
<stewski> anyone have a working xgl/tvtime combo?
<RolfKaese|x> my menu.lst
<RolfKaese|x> and here the fstab -l list
<RolfKaese|x> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10640
<gnomefreak> ubotu tell stewski about xgl
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: was shaving :)
<topyli> no luck?
<ReWT_AxS> :)
<ReWT_AxS> no luck
<ReWT_AxS> just different background and colors
<topyli> hrm
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: well we got rid of something but apparently not enough
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, indeed.
<ReWT_AxS> now what?
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x try.. just changing your windows entry to look like mine @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10641     I don't know if it'll change anything.. but...  i s'pose its worth a try
<RolfKaese|x> :S
<RolfKaese|x> mh no i dont think it will work
<RolfKaese|x> cuz it looked like that once before, tried that too
<RolfKaese|x> what a mess
<RolfKaese|x> looks like i first have to recover the partition table that i will feature my windows partition again
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x oh... probably just a problem with mbr then... :( could u verify what u mean... u can't access it at all??
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: how old is your installation?
<damian__> how can i replace metacity with something else?
<ReWT_AxS> topyli maybe 2-3 months?
<RolfKaese|x> no, cant access it at all
<ReWT_AxS> if that
<RolfKaese|x> when i go to disc overview in ubuntu
<RolfKaese|x> select my hdd
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: i'd like to suggest moving .gnome2 too
<RolfKaese|x> and list the partition
<ReWT_AxS> how
<ReWT_AxS> mv .gnome2 .gnome2-backup
<bissano> hi all
<ReWT_AxS> ?
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: yes
<ReWT_AxS> k brb
<RolfKaese|x> it shows me the partition
<RolfKaese|x> of windows
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x what if u try a "sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: and you'll have to do the others again
<RolfKaese|x> but status: inaccessable
<RolfKaese|x> i try
<RolfKaese|x> i need to specify the file system type
<ReWT_AxS> That worked!
<bissano> mama
<ReWT_AxS> Now how do I get my old settings back?
<ReWT_AxS> :-P
<bissano> :)
<ReWT_AxS> It's taking forever for my gdesklets to load now?
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x try changing auto to ntfs...
<RolfKaese|x> k
<RolfKaese|x> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10642
<RolfKaese|x> getting this error
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: you have to re-add the gdesklets like you did before :(
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x /dev/hda5?? is that your windows partition?
<RolfKaese|x> ya
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, so i have to just re-add everything?
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: you can delete .gconf-backup and .gconfd-backup but NOT .gnome2-backup. it has data in it
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: yes
<ReWT_AxS> what data is in it?
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x what's /dev/hda1... its also ntfs?
<ReWT_AxS> i dunno how to delete them anyways
<RolfKaese|x> mmh
<schmirgo> try vfat or ntfs
<topyli> if you've used the revelation password manager for example, its data is in there
<RolfKaese|x> yes, its my old win xp partition i yet didnt delete
<RolfKaese|x> but it isnt working anymore cuz i got new pc but used old hdd
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: rhythmbox playlists, all sorts of stuff.
<pvd2006> how do you turn on DMA support for a cdrom on ubuntu
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: not really data, but stuff that might be annoying to restore
<ReWT_AxS> I dont use rythmbox
<ReWT_AxS> nor do i have set playlists
<ReWT_AxS> lol
* mode/#ubuntu [-o apokryphos]  by apokryphos
<RolfKaese|x> oO
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: just go on with your daily chores, and when you notice a gnome program has forgotten a lot of stuff, .gnome2-backup is where you look
<Frogzoo> !tell pvd2006 about dma
<ReWT_AxS> lol ok...
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x i'm sorta stumped.. i would try posting on www.ubuntuforums.org... hopefully someone who understands fdisk well would be able to help u with fixing the mbr... i think thats what u need
<ReWT_AxS> Thanks a lot! By the way, you any good ith resolution?
<RolfKaese|x> hmm yeah
<ReWT_AxS> I can't get mine to 1280x768
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: now's a good chance to redecorate your desktop if you've ever thought of doing that :)
<basti__> !dma
<ReWT_AxS> even though I added it
<RolfKaese|x> but i will try to recover the partition by using testdisk now
<RolfKaese|x> i hope it works under ubuntu lol
<RolfKaese|x> hmm hmm
* xota re!
<ReWT_AxS> Nah I gotta get my resolution down first, then it will look good.
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: that's more basic x server stuff, i've been lucky and don't know much
<ReWT_AxS> 1280x768 is in my xorg.conf but it's not showing in my dropdown list under the screen resolution
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: hrm. you might have an impossible combination of color depth and resolution but i really couldn't say
<ReWT_AxS> Dunno?
<topyli> yeah somthing like that :)
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: i didn't really know the gnome suff either, but that's how i've rescued myself in the past. somebody might have been able to save your settings
<RolfKaese|x> small question
<Frogzoo> wow - the xine engine in amarok pwns gstreamer
<ESPOiG> does neone know wat to type to get gnome runnin in FreeBSD cuz im logined as root in TEXT mode :P
<RolfKaese|x> when i install applications through the package list thing
<RolfKaese|x> if they are not listed in gnome application bar stuff
<RolfKaese|x> where are they or how to run them
<sethk> ESPOiG, try startx
<ESPOiG> kk thx
<sethk> RolfKaese|x, they should be on a menu somewhere.
<pengo> how do i tell which version of ubuntu i'm running?
<RolfKaese|x> but where lol
<basti__> !dma
<sethk> RolfKaese|x, you can look at a llog and find the files, but I don't know if you can discover the menu entries that way
<basti__> why dont I get any answer on !dma ?
<gnomefreak> !version
<ubotu> To find out what ubuntu version you have type 'lsb_release -a' or 'cat /etc/issue' in a terminal.
<RolfKaese|x> hmm
<sethk> basti__, maybe because it isn't a question?
<basti__> sethk: no... it was because the bot was lagging..
<basti__> I got them now
<sethk> basti__, k.
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x if they are not on the menus, u can usually add an entry urself, and find the apps in the terminal.. they usually have a command to run them, often the same as their package name
<callie> anyone here good with boot scripts?
<sethk> basti__, I'll try it
<sethk> !dma
<RolfKaese|x> hmmk
<gnomefreak> RolfKaese|x: they are more than likely text apps and either run them in terminal or add the debian menu to your know menu
<DrBanzai> callie, As in for grub?
<sethk> not bad
<neo911> why is it when i start my ymessenger as normal user it goes back to the set-up but when i start ym as root that's the only time when it starts the already installed ym application? thanks
<sethk> neo911, probably you were logged in as root when you configured it
<callie> DrBanzai, no, i want to startx with no login as default
<neo911> the implication of this is i always have to start ym within a shell so i can enter a password for the root
<Phlank> Argh! This is becoming quite annoying, I open kcontrol and try using administrator mode and it acts like it's about to go into it and it just sits there doing nothing
<sethk> callie, might be easiest to approach that as gdm configuration
<neo911> sethk, so i have to reinstall it as normal user? thanks
<RolfKaese|x> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10643
<ReWT_AxS> alright
<greencrossboy> gnome user here. how do i connect to a windows printer and print there?
<RolfKaese|x> could it be its somewhere in these "folders"?
<ReWT_AxS> why when i change from like alt+f's sometimes my system freezes and i have to do a hard reboot?
<DrBanzai> callie,  Ahhh
<sethk> RolfKaese|x, an app?  I haven't seen that, but I guess it's possible ...
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x just run the command testdisk from terminal.. that shouold do it
<RolfKaese|x> ok
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: you have an ATI video card and you're using the fglrx drivers?
<neo911> anyone know the latest ymessenger version avail for ubuntu? thanks
<gnomefreak> ubotu tell greencrossboy about print
<MrDez> anybody use Kontact in conjunction with egroupware (fork of phpgroupware that actually 'works')?
<callie> sethk, its an old computer running ubuntu server and xfce, so i dont want to have to use gdm if i can get away with out it
<ReWT_AxS> i have ati and im using vesa drivers
<ReWT_AxS> i couldnt get fglrx to work
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: how'd you do?
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: try the "ati" driver
<Frogzoo> ReWT_AxS: which vid card?
<sethk> callie, you can do it without gdm
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, I haven't rebooted yet, I'm in the middle of configuring another box to be my web/mail server
<RolfKaese|x> ok
<callie> sethk, i know, i just dont know how ;)
<RolfKaese|x> its running
<neo911> is 1.04 the latest ymessenger version for ubuntu? where can i get this sort of info?
<Frogzoo> DrBanzai: I tried the xine engine just for fun, and it clobbers gstreamer - huge improvement
<gnomefreak> neo911: apt-cache search ymessenger
<RolfKaese|x> lol
<RolfKaese|x> its checking all cylinders now
<DrBanzai> Yeah, the link you gave me said xine was best...I plan to use it when I get that far.
<sethk> callie, that's one thing that I find a bit awkward in ubuntu (compared to some other distros); it doesn't have a run level for normal but not gui
<RolfKaese|x> 232453 total
<RolfKaese|x> it just reached 5000
<RolfKaese|x> weee
<neo911> so why is it again that in ubuntu theres no need to defragment?
<RolfKaese|x> 6000
<sethk> callie, which means you have to go in and modify what happens for level 2
<RolfKaese|x> xD
<neo911> the harddisk?
<Frogzoo> ReWT_AxS: which vid card?
<gnomefreak> neo911: because the package manager puts files where they are needed
<callie> sethk, ah
<sethk> neo911, in modern systems there really is no need to defrag period, if you have anything vaguely acceptable as a file system
<DrBanzai> neo911, Because it uses a file system that dosen't get fragmented
<RolfKaese|x> ok while i wait another small question for later
<RolfKaese|x> i have a widescreen TFT
<callie> sethk, that sounds like i could be entering fragging my system territory
<RolfKaese|x> and when i kill gnome , i dont see the terminal
* Matthewv wishes he had a widescreen TFT
<RolfKaese|x> my tft tells me that theres no digital input and turns off
<RolfKaese|x> :/
<sethk> callie, well, yes, but my answer to that is always the same:  don't be afraid, back up.
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x kill gnome, as in....???
<sethk> callie, make a tar archive of your /etc directory
<RolfKaese|x> ctrl alt backspace
<sethk> callie, then, if you get into trouble, you can restore it
<neo911> DrBanzai, that's the obviuous answer i suppose im implying that what i want to know in my question is why ubuntu filesysem doesnt get frag like XP does
<sethk> callie, the other thing I always do is check every file I am changing into RCS _before_ I change it.
<sethk> callie, that let's me revert on a file by file basis if necessary
<RolfKaese|x> goddamn this testdisk is slow lol
<Matthewv> ctrl alt backspace should kill gnome and bring u back to login prompt.. if u want a terminal try ctrl+alt+F1
<sethk> callie, RCS is a small package that isn't installed by default.  I would install it.
<sethk> callie, then spend 10 or 15 minutes learning how to use it.
<DrBanzai> neo911, Ahh, well, that magic I can't explain...
<callie> sethk, that sounds like a darn good package
<sethk> callie, then you'll be able to hack away without fear  :)
<sethk> callie, it's essential
<dragoon> whats RCS do ?
<sethk> dragoon, revision control system is what it stands for
<dragoon> ah k
<Frogzoo> neo911: I would assume because the ext2 driver actively manages block location - & relocates blocks where necessary
<sethk> dragoon, you check in a file, then you can check in versions as you make changes
<neo911> DrBanzai, hah and you call yourself a doctor :-)
<sethk> dragoon, then you can revert to any previous version, get a history of exactly what you changed, get a diff of any pair of versions, etc.
<DrBanzai> neo911, Well, Dr. Banzai was a brain surgeon and rocket scientist, not a linux guru...
<sethk> dragoon, it's a life saver for programmers, and it is (IMHO) even more useful for system config files
<callie> sethk, the other solution is to get xdm running but im not sure how to set it up, what i've read hasnt been helpfull
<dragoon> hrm ok
<Matthewv> RolfKaese|x and ctrl+alt+F7 to get back
<neo911> Frogzoo, ah so you mean whenever you write on the disk, defragmentation is done everytime?
<sethk> callie, xdm is just as heavy as gdm, so why would xdm be any better than gdm?
* Matthewv is leaving for half an hour...
<callie> sethk, i was under the impression it was lighter
<neo911> so fragmentation doesn't "accumulate"
<Frogzoo> neo911: I imagine that's how it works
* gnomefreak thought xubuntu used gdm :(
<sethk> callie, maybe very slightly, but not significantly, IMO
<neo911> Frogzoo, oh so you're guessing just like me?
<sethk> callie, and it is a real bear to configure
<RolfKaese|x> Matthewv um y
<RolfKaese|x> *yeah
<Frogzoo> neo911: yup
<RolfKaese|x> but as said, when i kill gnome i dont see the terminal, although its there
<callie> ok, im gonna try gdm and if its too much strain i'll take the RCS route sethk
<Swiftttt> hi
<callie> sethk, thanks for the info :D
<gnomefreak> RolfKaese|x: when you hit ctrl+alt+backspace you dont see where it asks for log-in?
<sethk> callie, np.  I think once you are up and running gdm will get swapped out and it won't use any noticable resources
<RolfKaese|x> log-in?
<RolfKaese|x> no no when i really KILL it
<RolfKaese|x> kill, shut down
<RolfKaese|x> :D
<Frogzoo> gnomefreak: the amarok repo worked nicely, thankyou
<callie> sethk, ah so it backgrounds as soon as the wm is up? cool
<gnomefreak> yw Frogzoo
<RolfKaese|x> normally the terminal would appear where i could re-start gdm
<RolfKaese|x> or do other stuff
<RolfKaese|x> and it IS there
<RolfKaese|x> but i dont see it cuz my tft tells me "no digital input" and shuts itself down
<RolfKaese|x> D:
<Swiftttt> I just installed ubuntu and right after its all setup ect updated all that I created a sata bios raid 1 mirror of it and its currently mirrored but im wondering what the easiest way to backup ubuntu is???
<RolfKaese|x> small note: i run the tft over digital output of my gfx
<RolfKaese|x> :3
<marsh> obotu
<callie> ok, bbl!
<Swiftttt> any ideas?
<marsh> Ubugtu tell marsh about xorg
<_Dan_> Hi, which channel would be appopriate for questions about translations and Launchpad ?
<neo911> !windows
<ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, neo911
<Swiftttt> backup ubuntu the simplest way on a sata bios raid1 mirrored set
<neo911> !bill gates
<ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, neo911
<marsh> ubotu tell marsh about xorg
<Frogzoo> _Dan_: for translations, maybe #ubuntu+1 seeing as lion is big for dapper
<neo911> !ubuntu vs windows
<rewt|axs> back
<ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, neo911
<Swiftttt> who cant see me?
<Swiftttt> (0_o)
<rewt|axs> I can.
<_Dan_> Frogzoo: Thanks, I will try it there.
<Swiftttt> Rewt you can see me :P
<rewt|axs> yes
<gnomefreak> Swiftttt: we see you and when someone knows they will answer you
<Swiftttt> people cant see me supposed to say so lol
<RolfKaese|x> Swiftttt : remember.. only because you cant see them doesnt mean they cant see you
<rewt|axs> what's the question?
<rewt|axs> hey what's dia?
<rewt|axs> !dia
<ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, rewt|axs
<Swiftttt> I installed ubuntu and I want the easiest way to backup
<Swiftttt> does ubuntu have system restore lol
<rewt|axs> Back what up?
<Swiftttt> >_<
<rewt|axs> There is a recovery mode?
<gnomefreak> !backup
<ubotu> For information on backing up your system, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311
<gnomefreak> ^^^ there
<Swiftttt> thanx :D
<operative> did the latest update break the rt2500 wireless driver for anyone
<operative> ?
<gnomefreak> operative: latest update on what?
<operative> kernel i imagine
<operative> just updated a system that was about 1 month out of date, wifi broke :-s just wondering if it is documented
<kingspawn> my first rule of thumb is to never operate anything that hasnt got a cable connected to it
<DarthShrine> Rhythmboxes "random" playing isn't very random
<DarthShrine> Rhythmbox's*
* gnomefreak with you on that one kingspawn 
<rixth> I have w32codecs, totem-xine. I can play WMVs but not XviD's, what's up?
<gnomefreak> operative: could you maybe give me a hint on to what kernel?
<DarthShrine> kingspawn, Yeh, well...Normally a computer won't work without a cable.
<kingspawn> operative, but that said, i haven't hear anything about it specifically breaking the wifi. tried searching the forums?
<DarthShrine> A laptop, maybe. But not for a very long time.
<operative> gnomefreak: standard desktop install
<gnomefreak> operative: for all i know you are using hoary or dapper or warty
<kingspawn> DarthShrine, no, it wont, but wifi and wireless stuff in general doesn't really work to well, in my opinion. it just makes me go all jittery.
<operative> hoary, sorry
<kingspawn> s/to/too
<Frogzoo> operative: upgrade to dapper then
* DarthLappy was talking about power cables, and taking it literally :P
<Frogzoo> sorry - not dapper - breezy
<gnomefreak> operative: upgrade to breezy wifi should work at that point
<DarthLappy> Though my laptop with a WiFi card works flawlessly in ever Linux I've ever stuck on it
<kingspawn> DarthLappy, you are making me jittery with two nicks also.. ;)
<bimberi> Swiftttt: have a look at the "sbackup" package as well  (note that it adds entries to the System -> Administration menu)
<operative> Sorry I meant the current stable, which of course is breezy not hoary
<DarthLappy> kingspawn, Hehe, I just type on whichever one I'm using at the time. And I switch a lot.
<rewt|axs> is it safe to remove all the accesability programs if i'll never use them?
<operative> Ubuntu is on my girlfriends box for its general doeverythinability
<rewt|axs> accessibility*
<gnomefreak> operative: ok operative what kernel is it now that you have?  <hint> uname -r <hint>
<Hawk|-> someone used owfs?!
<operative> gnomefreak: whatever the standard K is, im not near that computer
<kingspawn> rewt|axs, go nuts
<nstuart> hmmmm nice install, but why don't things like xterm and eterm show up in my menus after an update-menus
<wharry> how to config my wifi card to connect a Wroute with WPA-PSK (Wi-Fi Protected Access Pre-Shared Key),I use intel pro 2200
<nstuart> I assume that once I remove gnome terminal it will tell me I have no term programs ?
<DarthLappy> Why would vmplayer crash (loading Windows) after upgrading to an smp kernel, and re-vmware-configging?
<Hattori> how to check logs of boot?
<Hattori> it hangs in boot sequence, how to check what's up?
<wharry> is there any additional configuration?or just use text password directly?
<kingspawn> Hattori, have a look at "dmesg" and at the files in /var/log
<DarthLappy> OOo takes up far too much RAM :/
<gary> Any recommendations for linux applications that are able to access databases and edit them over the web?
<Hawk|-> mysql?
<gary> yes
<dhalgren> hi
<Hawk|-> mhh phpmyadmin
<dhalgren> Can anyone tell me how to get back a "pure" apt sources list after it has been modified by programs like easyubuntu? I am using breezy
<Seveas> !sources
<ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
<number5> what's the different between universe and multverse?
<dhalgren> ok, fine, but just what does  "!sources" mean? i know you are referring me to something ;-)
<gnomefreak> number5: the packages that they contain
<kingspawn> dhalgren, the links..
<gnomefreak> !sources
<Hawk|-> dhalgren, the answer comes from ubotu
<ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
<gnomefreak> thats what !sources means
<number5> !easysource
<ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
<dhalgren> cool, now i understand. thanks
<dhalgren> ND ONE DAY I WILL LEARTN HOW TO LEAVE POLITELY INSTEAD OF JUST DISCONNECTING. cHEERS ALL.
<void^> one day, but not today it seems
<ompaul> dhalgren, no caps lock thanks
<POVaddct> xmodmap -e 'remove lock = Caps_Lock'
<ompaul> were they being a problem?
<kingspawn> ompaul, nope, not really
<ompaul> k
<gnomefreak> ompaul: no
<DarthShrine> How does WebBoard work?
<gnomefreak> DarthShrine: is it installed and on your taskbar?
<marsh> I have a problem... I have been in here to ask about removing dependencies when removing packages (theres lots of bits I dont want from my original install) but nobody will speak to me if I ask about it. I have been after this info for a while (few months) in various rooms. Why does no-one want to broach this subject? I can find next to nothing usefull in google/nutshel dpkg pages/manpages/apropos...
<ompaul> kingspawn, and your build-essential must be the same as mine :-) it installs GCC also
<marsh> is there any chance someone could tell me why?
<DarthShrine> gnomefreak, Not yet.
<marsh> am i missing something obvious?
<DarthShrine> gnomefreak, It is installed.
<Chousuke> echo foo
<kingspawn> ompaul, yes yes, blah blah ;)
<Frogzoo> marsh: it's a family secret we don't discuss in public
<kingspawn> marsh, there is no definite answer to your question. i suggest that you experiment a little with it, trying to remove small bits and playing around with the systhem
<gnomefreak> DarthShrine: you will want to copy whatever it is you are putting on pastebin than open it and everything you just copied should be there than press publish and either type the link as you see it or use openpage and cp the link to us ;)
<Hattori> anybody see anything odd there: http://pastebin.com/615857    considering i have this problem: http://pastebin.com/615858
<DarthShrine> gnomefreak, I dun quite geddit.
<ompaul> marsh, shhh :-) sudo apt-get remove --purge package_name, if a meta package shows up that is not a problem but other stuff you may want to keep, best of class advice, install base system (we call it server install) and then add to it slowly you will be frustrated by having to add packages one at a time so defaults are considered "reasonable defaults" that is all there is on that subject
<marsh> kingspawn - i've tried as little - but a bit scared of messing up the system... I cant even find out how to list the deps unless i come into synaptic.. :/
<gnomefreak> DarthShrine: you said it is installed?
<DarthShrine> gnomefreak, dpkg -i webboard.deb, ja
<kingspawn> marsh, i can't remember how to list deps right now, try man apt-get and read a little about its workings
<gnomefreak> DarthShrine: ok on the upper gnome panel right click and add launcher you will see webboard in there please add it to your panel
<rss> Is it possible to change the default user? the user with sudo powers?
<ompaul> marsh, apt-cache show package_name
<marsh> ompaul - your a diamond.... I can feel my shoulders relaxing now. and I'm giggling bits as i type...
<gnomefreak> kingspawn: you mean dpkg -l
<kingspawn> gnomefreak, perhaps i do :)
<Frogzoo> rss - anyone with group admin membership has sudo powers
<ompaul> marsh, and if you get scared you can always do this: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :-) the fun meta package
<DarthLappy> gnomefreak, Oh, I see :)
<lunari> How can I set up file sharing between two different computers running linux?
<rss> Frogzoo: and this first user doesn't have any more special privileges, is it?
<asshole> hi
<rewt|axs> rss it will unless you change it from admin
<Frogzoo> rss: see what's in 'groups' it's quite a bit
<rss> Frogzoo: I can add another user to admin group and safely delete this user, right?
<Frogzoo> rss: you'd best try the command 'groups' & make sure you move all the groups over you'll need
<rss> Frogzoo: sure
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<marsh> ompaul - does the install ubuntu-desktop re-install the whole system?
<ompaul> rmusr
<ompaul> doh
<ompaul> the top it looks for anything else it expects to be here
<ompaul> marsh, sorry, let me do that again, that is the "top" meta package, the other one is ubuntu-base
<ompaul> marsh, and you are at the edge of my knowledge there :)
<kingspawn> anyone know which runlevel to boot for single user mode? i thought i saw on here earlier that there isn't one, but i'd like to make sure
<marsh> omHehehe... ompaul - does that mean that if I remove the ubuntu-desktop --purge - then I have the server install?
<ewz> hi all
<Frogzoo> kingspawn: just select 'recovery mode' from the grub prompt
<ompaul> marsh, you should do
<gnomefreak> marsh: no
<ompaul> ohh
<gnomefreak> !ubuntu-desktop
<ubotu> it has been said that ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when ugprading.
<ompaul> ahh yeap
<kingspawn> Frogzoo, so recovery mode is analogous with "no x"?
<marsh> exceelent - I'm gonna give it a gop... I'll let u know how it goes in a few days ;!
<Frogzoo> kingspawn: no - recovery mode is 'single user' mode
<marsh> gnomefreak - no???
<ompaul> marsh, sorry its a yes no answer, if you take out gnome and so on yes one package at a time - however if that is what you want I would suggest that you do a reinstall
<marsh> <- glad I saw that!
<Frogzoo> just btw folks - dist-upgrade assumes ubuntu-desktop & ubuntu-base are both installed
<ompaul> marsh, you can use them for construction not deconstuction
<marsh> just because it's messy?
<marsh> or because it just aint set up for it?
<ompaul> marsh, yes
<rewt|axs> Frogzoo so before I run command dist-upgrade i should first run ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base
<ompaul> Frogzoo, ooch
<untouch> hi , i need a little help pls
<marsh> ok - point taken... server install it is then...
<Frogzoo> rewt|axs: yup - that's what the docs say
<rewt|axs> untouch, cant help without a question.
<gnomefreak> rewt|axs: depends on what you are running dist-upgrade for
<Frogzoo> !upgrade
<ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
<untouch> i instaled kubuntu on my pc, i make apt-get update , i install automatix and i install nvidia drivers, and some players, and when i reboot i got that error: GRUB error 18
<`ns`> gnome-games is a dependancy for ubuntu-desktop ??!!
<gungan> hello,  I would like to connect my laptop with an external monitor,
<rewt|axs> Frogzoo, what docs?
<kingspawn> Frogzoo, hm, maybe i have my terms mixed up
<rewt|axs> I wanna upgrade to dapper
* gnomefreak runs dist-upgrade all the time instead of upgrade
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<marsh> ompaul - i have now gained more info in 5 minutes than in over 2 months of trying to find stuff out. thank you, my freind.
* mode/#ubuntu [-o ompaul]  by ChanServ
<ompaul> !automatix
<ubotu> it has been said that automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
<marsh> (if thats ok?)
<rewt|axs> is it safe to run sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
<rewt|axs> ?
<ompaul> untouch, ^^^
<ompaul> !dapper
<ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake. Currently this is BETA software. Release date is June 1 - http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq. /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
<ompaul> rewt|axs, ^^^
<gnomefreak> rewt|axs: no its not a command
<ompaul> marsh, enjoy :)
<gungan> Does someone know how to set up an external monitor with a laptop
<rewt|axs> oh
<untouch> can anyone help me?!
<Frogzoo> rewt|axs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
<rewt|axs> Frogzoo, thanks forthe link.
<gnomefreak> untouch: would start with getting automatix as far off your hard drive as possible
<Frogzoo> rewt|axs: np rewt|axs
<gungan> Hello theren, Does someone know how to set up an external monitor with a laptop ?
<rewt|axs> Frogzoo, is it safe to do all this stuff?
<Frogzoo> rewt|axs: upgrade can run into problems, sure, but it's considered safe
<Fujitsu> Quick visit...
<Auckland_Pig> is hardware redetection possible? I added a new fat32 harddisk. knoppix recognizes it, but ubutnu doesnt....
<untouch> gnomefreak, but what it the problem ?!
<DarthLappy> O_o...
<DarthLappy> VMware keeps breaking! :(
<rewt|axs> alright
<dragoon> damn
<DarthLappy> I should say vmplayer*
<Auckland_Pig> ubotu: tell me about hardware detection
<Auckland_Pig> ubotu: tell me about hardware
<shukhrat> how install codec's (mpeg, mp3) ?
<DarthLappy> !restrictedformats
<ubotu> hmm... restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
<untouch> gnomefreak ??
<gnomefreak> yes?
<kingspawn> untouch, look at this: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=122656
<kingspawn> it is not ubuntu specific, but grub error 18 has nothing to do with ubuntu, so that shouldn't be a problem
<gnomefreak> untouch: with the error you are gettting look at the following link
<gnomefreak> !grub
<ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
<gnomefreak> ^^^ untouch
<gnomefreak> ok later all time for a very long day :(
<gungan> Hello I don't know howto connect my laptop with an external monitor ???
<untouch> but, how can i reinstall GRUB
<untouch> ?!
<DarthLappy> Wow...OOo recovered my crashed document...Yay!
<Hawk|-> Someone got some expirience with OWFS 1-Wire filesystem?!
<DarthLappy> Or not...It's the same as when I first opened it from the save :/
<Hawk|-> i mean experience
<gungan> gnomefreak can you help me out?
<dragoon> wooo dapper updating
<Jensku> Hello everyone
<Jensku> ??
<Jensku> were are you from?
<untouch> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
<untouch> Error 15: File not found
<ewz> hi untouch i found this link it might help u http://ubuntuos.com/2006/03/howto-restore-grub.html
<ompaul> !grub
<ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
<shukhrat> ubotu: mpeg, mp3
<ubotu> shukhrat: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<ompaul> !tell shukhrat about restricted
<ompaul> shukhrat, please read message from bot
<shukhrat> ompaul: got it
<shukhrat> ubotu: how to install mpeg, mp3
<ubotu> shukhrat: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<untouch> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
<untouch> /dev/hda1               1        2432    19535008+  83  Linux
<untouch> grub> root (hd0,0)
<untouch> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
<untouch> wtf ??
<ompaul> shukhrat, ehh read the messge from ubotu
<ompaul> shukhrat, it ehh sent you a pm
<dekito> hi
<brenner> heh. nice mayor quimby
<dekito> how can i redo my xorg using cmd line ?
<brenner> ubotu: tell dekito about xorg
<liable> !drxx dekito
<ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, liable
<liable> meh
<brenner> drxx? :)
<shukhrat> is possible to install iceWM to my Ubuntu ?
<barktpolar> Greetings Ubuntu Users
<brenner> shukhrat: yep. it's in universe
<razorclaw> icewm - wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
<__Little_Wing> does ubuntu ppc support fluxbox??
<razorclaw> yes it's there
<ompaul> shukhrat, it is >>sudo apt-get install icewm<<  make sure you have the universe reps installed
<ompaul> s/reps/repos
<razorclaw> shukhrat, if you haven't edit your /etc/apt/sources.list uncomment universe then run apt-get update
<shukhrat> ok...
<shukhrat> let me try
<brenner> __Little_Wing: yep.  they use the same repos don't they?
<brenner> as i386 i mean
<__Little_Wing> ok
<razorclaw> shukhrat, do a 'apt-cache search icewm' just to be sure u have it
<brenner> razorclaw: it was my favourite DE on my p200
<razorclaw> brenner, yeah nice de. Would run it if i wasn't stuck on SuSE now
<shukhrat> razorclaw: you was right i have it
<stoned> I just installed dapper xfce4.3svn and some gnome 2.14 apps.  It is absolutely beautiful
<stoned> wow
<shukhrat> razorclaw: how to install
<ompaul> !offtopic
<ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
<ompaul> !dapper
<ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake. Currently this is BETA software. Release date is June 1 - http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq. /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
<razorclaw> shukhrat, apt-get install icewm
<shukhrat> razorclaw: Thanks
<razorclaw> shukhrat, sorry -> sudo apt-get install icewm
<razorclaw> shukhrat, np
<barktpolar> Anyone know what version of GIMP is included in 5.10?
<chemaja> stoned: are you sure its not just because you are... you know... stoned?
<chemaja> stoned: ;-)
<chemaja> doh, he already left :-(
<brenner> lol
<brenner> i hate when that happens
* chemaja blames himself for constantly switching irc clients
<razorclaw> barktpolar, 2.2 i think
<barktpolar> 2.2.9?
<razorclaw> barktpolar, 2.2.8
<barktpolar> Oh, two versions down
<Toki_Masa> I don't get how to setup wireless networking in Ubuntu. I have my WEP key and SSID, but it asks for an ESSID and the key to be inputted in ASCII or Hex. Is an ESSID the same as an SSID? And what kind of key do I have, ASCII or Hexadecimal?
<razorclaw> how do i find out my ubuntu version ?
<barktpolar> razorclaw, check your disc
<Frogzoo> Toki_Masa: 'sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid ###'
<razorclaw> barktpolar, let's say i installed it and i cannot remember which disc i used
<barktpolar> Sorry :( NVM Then
<Toki_Masa> Frogzoo: That doesn't help me.
<Frogzoo> razorclaw: cat /etc/issue
<Toki_Masa> I don't know what essid is or what ### is.
<razorclaw> Frogzoo, thanks
<Toki_Masa> Nor where I go to enter that command.
<IzeyJr> is there any software I can use to open .rar fies?
<rob> unrar
<IzeyJr> for linux I should of said
<rob> yes, unrar
<IzeyJr> okies thanks
<Toki_Masa> Also...what's that Linux clone of Matlab called? It begins with an O...
<brenner> octave?
<shukhrat> razorclaw: are you here ?
<dragoon> Toki_Masa: the matlab linux ver? :p
<razorclaw> shukhrat, yes
<razorclaw> shukhrat, sup ?
<th0rndike> hi ppla
<th0rndike> ppl*
<dragoon> hi
<shukhrat> razorclaw: inow i install should i logout ? to take efect ?
<shukhrat> razorclaw: now (iceWM) i install should i logout ? to take efect ?
<razorclaw> yeah logout and then see if u can pick it
<razorclaw> dunno if ubuntu does that for you or not
<brenner> it should add itself to the sessions menu
<dragoon> woo dapper running
<Toki_Masa> dragoon: No, it's free. And I think it's octave. Thanks brenner.
* brenner just did an apt-cache search matlab :P
<Toki_Masa> What is an apt-cache?
<brenner> stores package descriptions
<brenner> equivalent would be synaptic's search
<qgil> hi there, upgrading the latest packages yesterday in Dapper I have no sound now - There was a  kernel image upgrade, maybe something in the alsa modules went wrong?
<qgil> I'd like to know to whuich package do you recommend to file a bug in launchpad
<Toki_Masa> Oh. Cool.
<Toki_Masa> But I cam
<qgil> (I've downloaded the LiveCD Flight 5 and sounds works, so it's definitely something related to yesterday's upgrade)
<Frogzoo> qgil: try #ubuntu+1
<Seveas> qgil, if you suspect the kernel: linux-source-2.6.15
<Toki_Masa> But I can't use that stuff until I get my wireless network working.
<qgil> ok, thanks, I'll try first ubuntu+1
* Auckland_Pig needs help mounting a new fat32 disk....
<lawine> help in what way?
<th0rndike> Auckland_Pig need temporary mounting or add to fstab?
<Auckland_Pig> th0rndike: first temporary.. if it works then i'll add to fstab
<Auckland_Pig> i did mount... but it tells me... that i'm trying to mount a partition
<lawine> aren't the fat32 disks detected automagically?
<th0rndike> Auckland_Pig,  it should work both ways :p
<lawine> mkdir /mnt/tmp
<michelle_> Hello
<dash-> hello
<Auckland_Pig> lawine: yes... after that?
<michelle_> Is it hard to setup linux to be able to share files between systems on a network?
<kingspawn> !nfs
<ubotu> nfs is probably see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
<kingspawn> michelle: for you
<Frogzoo> michelle_: pretty straightforward - use samba or nfs
<michelle_> Okay, thank you both :)
<th0rndike> lol
<lawine> mount /dev/hdxy /mnt/tmp -t vfat
<Auckland_Pig> the fat32 disk name is /dev/hdb . so should i do "mount /dev/hdb /mnt/tmp -t vfat"
<michelle_> oh and also
<kingspawn> Auckland_Pig, you have to get the partition number, hdbx
<lawine> Auckland_Pig: you just need to enter the correct numbers and partition for x and y
<michelle_> how hard is it to make it so I can log into one system from another? like to use the shell from another computer
<Frogzoo> michelle_: ssh
<kingspawn> !ssh
<ubotu> rumour has it, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
<lawine> Auckland_Pig: so /dev/hdb1 or /hdb2
<kingspawn> :)
<Auckland_Pig> lawine: kingspawn : i see hdb1 and hdb5
<michelle_> Thank you once again :)
<Auckland_Pig> ok i'll try both
<th0rndike> lol
<th0rndike> should be 1
<michelle_> oh and
<michelle_> what's the difference between kedbuntu and ubuntu?
<Matthewv> u mean kubuntu and ubuntu???
<Frogzoo> michelle_: kubuntu = kde, ubunut = gnome, edubuntu? dunno
<michelle_> edubuntu!
<Matthewv> or edubuntu and ubuntu
<michelle_> that's it
<ReWT_AxS> do i need the contents of the tmp folder?
<lawine> Auckland_Pig: 1 is the first primary partition and 5 is (i believe) the first extended partition
<michelle_> When I setup this system with my Breezy Ubuntu install cd, it updated itsself and automatically switch to edbuntu
<Matthewv> edubuntu is designed for educational places.. eg schools and includes tools for that
* Auckland_Pig dances for lawine and kingspawn and all others helping me
<Auckland_Pig> :)
<lawine> (or whatever that is called)
<michelle_> yet, that same cd installed regular ubuntu on my main system
<michelle_> lol
* Auckland_Pig is very greatful
<Matthewv> ubuntu is for a desktop user..
<th0rndike> hahaha
<ReWT_AxS> so you dont want edubuntu?
<michelle_> doesn't matter, this system is for my fiance
<kingspawn> ReWT_AxS, only temporarily :)
<kingspawn> ReWT_AxS, there is a default script that erases your tmp when you reboot
<michelle_> she hated windows, wanted me to put linux on her system too
<michelle_> lol
<ReWT_AxS> oh, okay
<kingspawn> ReWT_AxS, i learned this the very hard way.
<th0rndike> lol poor gal
<michelle_> lol yeah
<ReWT_AxS> lol
<michelle_> I'm trying to get them to work right together and such
<michelle_> anywho, thank you all for the help :)
<dragoon> whats the kernel source package in dapper
<terabyte> hey!
<terabyte> can anyone help me??
<th0rndike> terabyte,  juz ask, someone will
<ReWT_AxS> With?
<terabyte> ok
<terabyte> erm.... i have a problem installing ubuntu
<ReWT_AxS> Be specific. :)
<th0rndike> VERY specific :p
<Frogzoo> !help,me
<terabyte> ok
<Frogzoo> !helpme
<ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
<terabyte> i have installed it
<terabyte> then
<usuario> usuario
<terabyte> when it starts up
<Frogzoo> !enter
<ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
<terabyte> it freezes
<dragoon> 
* chemaja makes a note to #ubuntu channel ops: "just ask, don't ask to ask", and a URL to Eric Raymond's "Asking Questions the Smart Way" should be in the topic of every IRC support channel
<ReWT_AxS> System specs? Where does it freeze?
<th0rndike> exactly where?
<ompaul> !ask
<ompaul> !+ask
<ubotu> it has been said that ask is just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
<terabyte> erm... loading hotplug subsytem
<terabyte> its stops there
<ReWT_AxS> HAveyou let it sit fr a minute or two?
<ReWT_AxS> Sometimes mine is laggy?
<ompaul> chemaja, sent to user with /msg ubotu tell Other about ask :-)
<terabyte> -hahaha.... sitting for hours
<th0rndike> awful
<terabyte> tsk..
<th0rndike> i suggest reinstall :p
<ReWT_AxS> me too :P
<terabyte> i tried that many times
<chemaja> ompaul: thank you; my request however, still stands :-D
<terabyte> ;-p
<matko> you write that fast i even cant read it :D
<jellyware>  /join ubuntu-au
<debshine> terabyte, what kind of computer? more details
<terabyte> ok
<terabyte> i have a amd k2 400mhz processor
<ReWT_AxS> Well i'm off...finally got my system running fine again, switched everything from brown to blue even my us-screen :)
<brenner> chemaja: it's my experience that most newbies don't read the topic anyway unfortunately
<terabyte> an aladdin motherboard
<terabyte> kinda old
<terabyte> =p
<terabyte> and 192mb memory
<ReWT_AxS> terabyte, try not to use the enter button so much...We're patient. :)
<terabyte> oops.... ok soory
<ReWT_AxS> It's okay. :)
<ReWT_AxS> But good luck with your hotplug stuff. I'd suggest taking a look in the forums. Might find someone with the same problem who has a solution?
<Frogzoo> terabyte: try adding this boot option in grub 'acpi=off'
<terabyte> uhuh....
<th0rndike> omg yeh thats it
<terabyte> acpi=off
<debshine> terabyte, try booting with some options like and 'noapic'
<debshine> terabyte, does the live cd work?
<terabyte> nope...
<brenner> ReWT_AxS: do you have the link for that customising breezy/eye candy site?  it had "docs" in the url
<debshine> does any live cd work?
<terabyte> still stops at hotplug
<pramirez> ola
<th0rndike> we got a major problem here hehehe
<pramirez> ola a todos
<th0rndike> pramirez,  hola
<pramirez> ola como te llamos
<Frogzoo> terabyte: if that doesn't help, try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqPresarioV2000Z
<th0rndike> no me digas q viniste a este canal a conocer gente?
<pramirez> de donde ere
<terabyte> ok
<brenner> !es
<ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
<pramirez> no no vengo eso si es ami
<th0rndike> espero que hayas leido :p
<ReWT_AxS> brenner, http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/EyeCandyBreezy
<topyli> brenner http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BreezyCust
<topyli> hehe
<brenner> cheers
<ReWT_AxS> indeed
<ReWT_AxS> topyli
<th0rndike> someone feels like doing my homework for me?
<ReWT_AxS> So any idea as to why my system would crashed by switching alt+f buttons?
<th0rndike> its juz some concurrent programming in c
<th0rndike> :)
<topyli> th0rndike: yeah, you can do my job then :)
<j2daosh> ok dumb perl question. how do i set a variable as 'grep $filename /dir/file'
<kingspawn> th0rndike, just say your program didn't return 0 when they ask you about it. its like saying the dog ate your homework
<ReWT_AxS> i am using the ati with vesa drivers...the ati drivers would crash after coming out of screen saver, and the fglrx driver i couldnt get to work
<th0rndike> lol i cant... without those-> no exam
<kingspawn> th0rndike, then get to it ;)
<terabyte> ok.. iLL be back later and test what all of yeh recommended
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<th0rndike> topyli,  whats your job?
<Paedrigh> Firestarter. I want it to start up when I log in, but it won't do that since it can only be started by root-user. Is there a way to circumvent this?
<topyli> oh, i just sweep the floors at the local morgue
<brenner> ReWT_AxS: what was wrong w/ the ati drivers
<topyli> th0rndike: ^^
<th0rndike> lol i'd rather do the program. thx anyway :p
<topyli> th0rndike: damn. happens every time
<kingspawn> topyli, sounds like a nice job, actually
<th0rndike> hahaha
<ReWT_AxS> they would crash coming out of the screen saver all the time
<topyli> kingspawn: i was lying, but actually it could be nice, relaxed, leave-me-alone kind of job
<th0rndike> unless u can see dead people
<topyli> kingspawn: unless the place is very busy and you get work-sweat which i hate
<kingspawn> topyli, heh, yeah, that was what i was thinking. if it payed reasonably, i'd do it
<letmeoffthebus> Hey all, i have a quick question. Ballpark figure - how much disk space does a typicl Ubuntu install take up? < 1GB?
<brenner> ReWT_AxS: sorry, is that the repos driver or the ati.com driver?
<th0rndike> its like 2?
<th0rndike> i think
<Frogzoo> letmeoffthebus: for typical use - say 20-60gig
<Seveas> letmeoffthebus, right after install: around 1.5 GB, during install you may need more
<ReWT_AxS> i dunno? the ati one is the one that came with the cd lol i never installed anymore ati drivers
<Seveas> letmeoffthebus, around 5GB total space is a nice minimal system on which you can still install things
<letmeoffthebus> Cheers dudes
<letmeoffthebus> thats just what i needed to know
<brenner> ReWT_AxS: ok.  'ati' is the kernel driver.  'fglrx' can be either the one provided in the repos (xorg-driver-fglrx) or you can use the proprietary one off ati.com
<brenner> ubotu: tell ReWT_AxS about ati
<ReWT_AxS> it's a radeon xpress 200m
<ReWT_AxS> i did this    http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75378&highlight=fglrx+breezy
<brenner> i have the exact same card :)
<ReWT_AxS> but it didnt work
<Frogzoo> ReWT_AxS: your vid card won't run fglrx
<ReWT_AxS> o
<ReWT_AxS> so what should i use?
<Frogzoo> ReWT_AxS: needs m300 iirc
* brenner is running fglrx right now
<Frogzoo> ReWT_AxS: ati's your only hope
<shambling> hey
<ReWT_AxS> im using vesa right now?
<lasindi> If I have more than one sound card, where can I configure which one to use?
<IdaNimrod> !dapper
<ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
<brenner> Frogzoo: you talking bout the proprietary or kernel driver?
<MistaED> does that fglrx driver work better for firegl cards or something? i'm just trying to comprehend why they suck so much for radeon cards =/
<neo911> when i start firefox i used to have a default profile but now when i start it i get a message that it is being used, how do i fix this? thanks!
<ReWT_AxS> hit make default
<pjv> what's a good pdf editor, i have a pdf file here with graphical logos and kpdf kword just doesn't seem to do the job well, any suggestions?
<shambling> am runing updated breezy-i386 on an AMD64 pc, have dapper AMD64 cd, can/howto upgrade to dapper?
<YukiCuss> neo911, close all open firefoxes. if none are open, remove the lock file
<ReWT_AxS> oops misread question
<brenner> ReWT_AxS: use the wiki link and follow the "ati.com drivers" section
<linuxboyfriend> hi all
<redguy> pjv: you might try gimp, or inkscape perhaps
<ReWT_AxS> !ati
<ubotu> [ati]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
<ompaul> lasindi, to use onboard remove the pci one, to use pci one disable other in bios O/S looks after the rest
<YukiCuss> neo911, lock file is at ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock
<lasindi> ompaul: isn't there a way to do this through software?
<Frogzoo> !tell brenner about fglrx
<brenner> MistaED: ati support sucks in general apparently
<Frogzoo> !tell ReWT_AxS about fglrx
<ompaul> lasindi, there would be but I don't know it
<slimz> anyone feel like helping me set my refresh rate? i tried the guide with modeline, but after i restart X im locked to 640x480
<ReWT_AxS> frogzoo its not compatible
<Frogzoo> brenner: ReWT_AxS the docs seem to suggest that x200 will run fglrx after all, but use the fglrx from the seveas_ repo
<lasindi> Does anyone else know how to configure Ubuntu to use a specific sound card on a system with multiple sound cards?
<ReWT_AxS> The model of the card is in the 9xxx series, 9500 or higher, or it is in the X series (e.g. X300), or it has TV-Out capability. The 'fglrx' driver does not support cards earlier than the 8500.
<pjv> redir: ty
<kingspawn> lasindi, look for crimsun when he's in here, he's got the lowdown on sound
<pjv> redguy: ty
<brenner> ubotu: tell slimz about fixres
<Frogzoo> ReWT_AxS: brenner -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
<lasindi> kingspawn: when is he usually on?
<shambling> am runing updated breezy-i386 on an AMD64 pc, have dapper AMD64 cd, can/howto upgrade to dapper?
<ReWT_AxS> those steps are for hoary or later
<ReWT_AxS> will they still work in breezy
<ReWT_AxS> ?
<shambling> *without removing breezy8
<Frogzoo> !upgrade
<ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
<shambling> thanks
<redguy> shambling: in what way would it be an upgrade?
<brenner> ReWT_AxS: that forum link used ubuntu's fglrx driver.  you need to use the one off ati.com (or do it through Seveas' repos as Frogzoo keeps saying)
<redguy> shambling: it would be just another install if you don't want to remove breezy
<ReWT_AxS> how do i do it through seveas repos?
<linuxboyfriend> plz help me http://pastebin.com/615928
<ompaul> lasindi,  he tends to be on New York time if he is not travelling
<Frogzoo> ReWT_AxS: please read the links ^
<redguy> ReWT_AxS:  -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI perhaps ?
<basti__> what does chmod +s ?
<slimz> ahh im screwed, i tried searching google for my monitors specs but i couldnt find any information, my monitor is too old, its an iiyama mf-5621
<shambling> redguy, the kernal in dapper suits my music needs better, am not confident enough to compile a custom kernal yet, also the drivers seem faster.
<ReWT_AxS> okay how do i backup my current settings?
<ReWT_AxS> nvm i got it
<ReWT_AxS> im off to do this stuff
<ReWT_AxS> later mate
<kingspawn> lasindi, dont know, but i see his away message says that its night where he is now, so probably like now + 6-8 hours? wildly guessing here.
<redguy> shambling: so all you want is the new kernel from dapper?
<brenner> slimz: does that range probe work?
<ReWT_AxS> topyli, thanks for all your help with my gdm
<slimz> brenner, no
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: now worky?
<Frogzoo> basti__: it sets the 'suid' bit - when someone runs that binary, they receive the effective user rights of whoever owns the binary - sometimes this is used to give people effective root permission
<slimz> brenner : i get no outpiut
<topyli> ReWT_AxS: great
<linuxboyfriend> gnomefreak: hi
<ReWT_AxS> :)
<ReWT_AxS> works just fine
<linuxboyfriend> gnomefreak: can you help me about http://pastebin.com/615928
<shambling> redguy, that I wanted to keep the programs from breezy that dapper may not have
<basti__> thank your for that Frogzoo
<brenner> slimz: just run the xorg reconfigure.  when prompted for monitor config, choose the second option (to choose the max res)
<shambling> that and I wanted...*
<lasindi> kingspawn: okay thanks.
<paulo> hi there
<paulo> any one to talk
<linuxboyfriend> Frogzoo: hi, can you help me http://pastebin.com/615928
<YukiCuss> paulo, there are a few here.
<slimz> brenner : i have the resolutions set up correctly, im in 1280x1024, just i cant get out of 60hz refresh rate, and my monitor supports 75hz at this resolution
<th0rndike> like 655
<nem-> how to unblock users on gaim?
<shambling> redguy, or should i just install dapper then add the breezy dvd to repos' list?
<YukiCuss> nem-, Actions menu -> Privacy
<nem-> ok thanks
<YukiCuss> nem-, on the contact list, that is.
<redguy> paulo: this is a support channel, for chat join #ubuntu-offtopic
<paulo> i have ubunto, how to put PICO?
<brenner> slimz: did you do the reconfig?
<paulo> n
<slimz> brenner : no ill try now
<kingspawn> paulo: probably sudo apt-get install pico
<ReWT_AxS> is there anyway to make gaim thinner than what it stops me from thinning it as?
<Seveas> paulo, try nano
<brenner> paulo: it already has pico
<Seveas> pico is not free, nano is (and installed by default)
<kingspawn> aha
<paulo> tanks
<paulo> ok
<redguy> shambling: well, If you ask my opinion isntalling just some packages from breezy might break your system more severely than just upgrading to Dapper. If you have enought diskspace why not install Dapper alongside with Breezy?
<redguy> erm, s/some packages from breezy/some packages from dapper/
<brenner> pico's not free? why's it in the default install then?
<redguy> brenner: nano is
<_jason> brenner: it's just a symlink to nano
<shambling> redguy, aye, why not... would be interesting for testing, thanks i'll just do that.
<theine> shambling: or set up Dapper in a chroot environment
<brenner> _jason: lol, so it is
<redguy> brenner: ls -l `which pico`
<shambling> redguy chroot enviroment?
<brenner> redguy: yeah, i just ran pico and saw the titlebar
<redguy> shambling: it was theine who said chroot... ask him about it.. :-)
<redguy> !chroot
<ubotu> I guess chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
<th0rndike> aight guys i go eat
<th0rndike> l8rz
<shambling> redguy, cheers, i'll readup
<redguy> shambling: np
<shambling> theine, ta as well
<theine> shambling: you're welcome
<slimz> brenner : i dont know my monitors horizontal sync range
<brenner> slimz: there should be an option to choose the max. res (i think it's in the middle)
<brenner> slimz: hang on.  i'l run it now
<brenner> slimz: there's a dialog near the monitor config part.  it gives you 3 options.  choose "medium"
<slimz> brenner :  1280x1024@75hz isnt there :(
<slimz> brenner : in the medium setting
<brenner> and you're sure the monitor is capable of it?
<slimz> yeah 100%
<slimz> i use that in windows
<shambling> ubotu how to backup kernal
<ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, shambling
<mathieu> it's kernil!
<slimz> brenner, 1600x1200@75hz is there
<AshyIsMe> how do i get my usbhd to automount and create an icon on the desktop in dapper?
<brenner> slimz: well, it says choose the "best".  so go the highest you can
<AshyIsMe> i have set it to do that is System>Preferences>removable drives and media but it still doesnt do it
<slimz> i chose 1600x1200@60hz
<slimz> lemme try that
<slimz> brb
<AshyIsMe> should i remove the entry for it in fstab?
<lunari> Could someone help me with setting up file sharing between computers running ubuntu?
<albacker> guys how can i make gnome so when im moving a window, as soon that its near to another one [side to side]  it stops.. its like positioning windows all over the desktop easily.. what is this kinda of function called ?
<brenner> AshyIsMe: fyi: #ubuntu+1 for dapper
<AshyIsMe> brenner: thanks
<brenner> albacker: it's in dapper apparently
<albacker> brenner, it should be in breezy too !
<kingspawn> !nfs
<ubotu> well, nfs is see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
<albacker> Fluxbox has it !
<kingspawn> lunari^^
<lunari> kingspawn: Yeah, I tried that and I can't get it to work
<albacker> its not an ubuntu function, but gnome one ! so no matter if you use ubuntu.. fedora.. if you use gnome you should have it !
<AshyIsMe> albacker: it's called snap-to or something like that
<brenner> albacker: exactly.  it's implemented in gnome 2.14 or whatever dapper is going to ship with iirc
<albacker> AshyIsMe, thanks, but you're not sure about it's name !?! are you ?
<albacker> snap to grid
<brenner> 2.12 doesn't have it
<brenner> at least afaik
<lunari> hmm, what's this about updating my routers firmware?
<lunari> I just read that, I have a netgear lol
<albacker> i have 2.12 ! i should have it !
<_jason> lunari: there is an exploit that will cause you to get disconnected if I just type something to you
<brenner> albacker: did you read my 2nd last sentence? :)
<shambling> anyone here managed to get their NFORCE4 onboard GeForce6100 to fully work? (can install driver, x server crashes on reboot, have tryed to reconfigure x server without joy- though i dont know what options it would need)
<lunari> _jason ah okay
<albacker> at least afaik ? what afaik : brenner ?
<`mrz> I've just fetched ubuntu 5.10, and the default sources.list keeps failing on a few servers. is this normal?
<brenner> albacker: as far as i know
<albacker> brenner, there should be a way to enable it though, all we have to do is search :)
<dmizer> how to i regain the file menu bar after i've removed it from the profile?
<andrea_> is there something similar to "Device Manager" in ubuntu?
<brenner> `mrz: shouldn't be.  you can always use the official one: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
<brenner> andrea_: sys >admin >device mgr? :)
<`mrz> brenner, I have the offical one. look at the output here: http://pastebin.com/615951
<shambling> andrea, System-Admin-Device Manager
<andrea_> geez
<andrea_> my eyes just couldnt see it
<GnarusLeo> !secure digital
<ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, GnarusLeo
<andrea_> :)
<dgibb> I'm trying to upgrade to dapper, and apt is complaining. I know! I know! dapper isn't technically released yet, but I really needed a module not available in breezy, so give me a break, yeah?
<shambling> ;D
<andrea_> thanks
<GnarusLeo> Are there supported drivers for secure digital slots on laptops?
<dgibb> Is there a channel where I can air apt's complaints?
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<GnarusLeo> hehehe
<`mrz> dgibb, debian. ubuntu is based on debian :)
<dgibb> mrz: sorry, don't follow your point?
<brenner> `mrz: it's the nl mirror though.  maybe it's down
<brenner> dgibb: #ubuntu+1 for dapper
<`mrz> brenner, got exactly the same issue on german, denmark, and us servers. but that offical sources.list seemed to work better.
<dgibb> mrz: apt has trouble resolving dependancy problems with dapper
<brenner> `mrz: the #debian folk would slaughter him :)
<dgibb> mrz: and I in turn, need your help ;-)
<andrea_> my problem is i'm using a Sennheiser USB headset, and device manager is viewing it ok...but i'm not getting any sound...
<DarthShrine> How can I create an ISO file from a directory full of files?
<`mrz> dgibb, what application are you trying to install?
<dragoon> DarthShrine: mkisofs
<`mrz> brenner, hey. that offical one worked AWESOME
<DarthShrine> dragoon, Thanks
<dgibb> mrz: tomcat and libapache-mod-jk
<brenner> `mrz: mirror issue then
<`mrz> brenner, hope so. I really had an offical one directly from installation.
<`mrz> dgibb, hmm.. try only using the offical repos
<dgibb> mrz: I am ;)
<dgibb> mrz: is there a paste channel I can use?
<brenner> dgibb: like i said, #ubuntu+1 is probably better for  dapper issues
<dgibb> ok
* `mrz goes on his knees for brenner, damn you rock!
<brenner> `mrz: easy now :)
<DrBanzai> Frogzoo, You still here?
<dgibb> thanks brenner, mrz
<brenner> anyway, looks like i killed slimz's box :-/
<shambling> Why is ubuntu able to mount some of my many partitions but not others, then when reboot; able to mount others but not all, then when login as root, able to mount all, or somtimes none but root-file-system?
<shambling> it seems to change with the wind
<brenner> certainly sounds weird.  how'd you mount them in the 1st place?
<shambling> "disks" app in admin
<shambling> dont know term commad
<andrea_> how can i select between different sound device
<andrea_> i dont want to use my soundcard, but my usb headset
<maning> Hi! Any major problem in dist-upgrade from breezy to badger?  I'm downloading right now.
<cronos> hol<
<Espaxus> olaaaaaaaaa
<brenner> i didn't know you could mount them that way
<apokryphos> maning: breezy *is* the breezy badger.
<cronos> y en espaol
<shambling> yeah "enable" button
<maning> sorry i mean dapper
<brenner> shambling: 1st step is to look at /etc/fstab
<apokryphos> maning: if you mean dapper -- well, I'd say it was reasonably stable at the moment. #ubuntu+1 for dapper discussion.
<apokryphos> !es
<ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
<Espaxus> fuck the all !!!!!
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<Espaxus> Cronos stupid !
<cronos>  focking espaxus
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<cronos> fuck you
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<maning> thanks! will be out in a minute after dapper download
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<shambling> brenner. no such dir in etc
<brenner> shambling: fstab is  a file in /etc
<brenner> shambling: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
<shambling> rgr that
<shambling> brenner, # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
<shambling> #
<shambling> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
<shambling> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
<shambling> /dev/hdc1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
<shambling> /dev/hdc5       none            swap    sw              0       0
<shambling> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
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<ohgood> lol
<brenner> sorry, i should have told him
<RolfKaese|x> hmmm
<RolfKaese|x> im still here :D
<RolfKaese|x> and still working around with testdisk
<shambling> back
<RolfKaese|x> it looks like no boot sector or anything is damaged
<apokryphos> !paste
<ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
<shambling> apokryphos,rgr thatsry
<ciplogic> I want to disable (for administrative purposes) automatically download from http, even I have them in the sources. Any idea how to do that?
<RolfKaese|x> rather than that, it really looks like the file system is damaged, it isnt "fully" NTFS anymore
<RolfKaese|x> a small amount of sectors is ext
<RolfKaese|x> i dunno why though
<maning> after 1.5 hours i  was able to fetch  509 mb of dapper debs.  how long will it take me to install them? I need to catch the train. ASAP.
<RolfKaese|x> also the program cant find any broken partitions
<feg> !mplayer
<ubotu> hmm... mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
<brenner> shambling: pastebin it this time.  anyway, i gtg.  i'm sure someone can help you w/ that.  btw, mounting/unmounting should be done via the desktop icons or w/ mount/umount commands.  i'm not sure what the disks utility does, but i don't think that's the way you should be doing it
<RolfKaese|x> but its still searching for 1h, with deeper algorythms and sh*t :D
<ciplogic> I want to disable (for administrative purposes) automatically download or installing from http, even I have them in the sources. Any idea how to do that?
<shambling> brenner, okthanks m8
<ciplogic> I want to disable (for administrative purposes) automatically download or installing from http, even I have them in the sources. Any idea how to do that?
<dv_> ciplogic, so you dont want synaptic, apt-get etc. to download stuff from http?
<ciplogic> I want to disable apt-get ability to load from http
<dv_> then you might want to have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list
<ciplogic> it should use only cdrom
<ciplogic> or local debs
<ciplogic> is from my knowledge from apt.conf
<dv_> comment out the http sources in sources.list, and there you go
<dv_> (perform apt-get update afterwards)
<ciplogic> I want to disable the ability of downloading via http... not remove the source
<ciplogic> maybe else-time I will need them
<dv_> oh, i dunno how to do this
<dv_> sorry
<ciplogic> no problem
<feg> i have a black screen for 1 second every time i play a video using mozilla-mplayer. anyone with the same problem?
<dv_> try asking in #debiaan
<dv_> #debian that is
<ohgood> feg: yep. every single time.
<ohgood> feg: i assumed it was the 'buffgering' stage, and it never realy bothered me.
<kent> ciplogic: open /etc/apt/sources.list and put a comment "#" before every http://  line and run apt-get update,  then you only have local cdrom.
<feg> ohgood, umm. i think it is a bit annoying
<ciplogic> kent: I know that exist the posibility to disable them
<ciplogic> and I should do that for 100 computers :)
<ciplogic> (almost, they are 87)
<ohgood> feg: if it really bothers you, you could play iwth the cache settings, or try developement versions, but that usually means a few more issues.
* xota se las pira!
<ciplogic> the most important, is that some packages shouldn't be upgraded
<ciplogic> and that are for stability of the software
<_jason> !pinning
<ciplogic> and even one user will add manually one link to sources.list, the download should be disabled
<ubotu> I heard pinning is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto
<_jason> ciplogic: I think that's what you want? ^
<_jason> ciplogic: that will let you pin certain packages so they don't get upgraded
<ciplogic> great... I think that is the best solution
<kent> ciplogic: if you dont give them sudo-acess they cant upgrade any packages..   :)
<ciplogic> only some software should not be update-able
<kent> ciplogic: but then,  if they are already installed,  there is no updates unless its security updates,  and should not most people want those?
<ciplogic> How can i configure apt-get so it can ignore the ftp/http uris from sources.list when doing and apt-get update?
<ciplogic> kent: if will be about security updates they will be done
<ciplogic> kent: most important is about conflicting with different versions
<ciplogic> kent: it is must to exist one platform (known to be stable)
<kent> I dont really understand what you meen there..
<ciplogic> I think that a better question is: so i can use apt-get --no-download install foo  !?
<ciplogic> that is the question exactly
<kent> ciplogic: I dont really understand the problem.  You dont want them to be able to install from http?  but to give them access to install stuff saved locally?  how does that make it more stable och secure?
<ciplogic> here is about development platform
<ciplogic> We need to do a freeze
<kent> hu?
<ciplogic> and to not have conflicts with many "platforms"
<paolob> Hi guys! What should I install in order to connecto to apache in secure mode (https)?
<dgibb> akkk! I still have trouble.
<kent> I really dont understand that.  good luck :)
<ciplogic> or to have conflicts from different versions (for instance we consider the release 67 which have one platform)
<ciplogic> we consider one repository and for one week will be update :)
<dgibb> aptitude install linux-image-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic doesn't work
<kent> ciplogic: release 67? what are you  talking about? :)
<ciplogic> I will ask later :)
<ciplogic> kent: I talk about developing software in one company I live
<ciplogic> And as admin I want to restrict conflicts from versions
<ciplogic> (we use ubuntu as development platform)
<ciplogic> Even dapper
<ciplogic> but we had conflicts of packages as xine, that doesn't work as they should
<ciplogic> that's why we need to have some packages in a fixed version to be tested
<ciplogic> there is no relevant to know that one issue is reproductible with one version and is not with other
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<ciplogic> is need to be "repository freeze" once and to ignore without firewall restriction to use local repository
<ciplogic> kent: did you get the point?
<kent> ciplogic: then if I understand correctly,   why not create a local repositorie with the stuff you develop against and only allow to install from it?  that way every computer has the stuff they need, and every gets the same updates..
<ciplogic> yes
<ciplogic> somelike that
<ciplogic> But I thought that more sure is to restrict apt (to not "control") every user downloads
<kent> Like, turn off http:// in sources.list,  create a local repository and add it so sources.list and allow every one to update from it. Im not sure how to create a local repositorie but I dont think its so hard.
<kent> ciplogic: you dont need to control every download, just dont add outside repositories. Like, dissallow the ubuntu repositories and only put in your own, and then fill your own with the stuff you need..  and make one for every  platform  - like Dapper etc.  should be possible..
<RolfKaese|x> oi i have a small question : how do i turn off the screensaver
<RolfKaese|x> :>
<ciplogic> Great... I think that will solve all my problems :)
<ciplogic> Thank you kent
<Hawk|-> HI, how do i reinstall an perl installation?!
<kuja> sudo apt-get remove perl && sudo apt-get install perl ?
<Hawk|-> mhh ok
<dj-fu> apt-get reinstall perl
<dj-fu> nm
<bon_> how do you restart the sound sever
<Hawk|-> thx
<kuja> bon_: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-util force-reload
<bon_> thx
<kuja> err, alsa-utils
<C-O-L-T> Hello everybody
<[Wiebel] > Hi
<Matthewv> hi
<[Wiebel] > it seems I can only change resolution to 1400x1050 and 1280x1024 within ubuntu
<[Wiebel] > but I configured X to support more resolution
<[Wiebel] > how can I tell ubuntu to see those?
<kuja> Maybe your card doesn't support those resolutions.
<[Wiebel] > kuja: sure it does
<kuja> It supports it at that specific depth? Maybe you have to lower your depth?
<Frogzoo> !tell [Wiebel]  about fixres
<C-O-L-T> <[Wiebel] >: I can not change my video preferences at all. It is 1280 x 1024. It is ok for me. I think it auto configures depending on your hard specs
<Frogzoo> !tell C-O-L-T about fixres
<snowblink> hi - does anyone have gmail chat working on breezy?
<_jason> snowblink: you can use gaim I believe
<snowblink> _jason, thanks I am for gtalk. I'm wondering if anyone has the chat feature in their gmail.
<iGadget> hi all
<C-O-L-T> Anybody has tried Fedora Core 5?
<highvoltage> C-O-L-T: i'm sure someone has
<_jason> snowblink: I've never actually cahtted with anyone but the features are there
<Matthewv> same here
<C-O-L-T> highvoltage: I would like to know if it is better than ubuntu? I would like to try. I am just curious
<ciplogic> I found the solution! - for who is interested: edit the file /etc/apt.conf and add the lines:
<ciplogic> Acquire "";
<ciplogic> Acquire::http "";
<ciplogic> Acquire::http::timeout "10";
<ciplogic> Acquire::ftp "";
<ciplogic> Acquire::ftp::timeout "10";
<C-O-L-T> highvoltage: I have never tried before
<ciplogic> that will remove the other sources than local ones
<ReWT_AxS> !ati
<ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: romania ?
<ciplogic> dap
<snowblink> _jason, Matthewv, Hmmm. Are you using the standard FF that came with Breezy?
<highvoltage> C-O-L-T: ok. i've tried FC4 a few weeks ago, and it's still just as boring as FC1
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: e bine sa sti ca cineva e din ro
<ciplogic> tu din ce oras esti?
<_jason> snowblink: ff1.5
<ciplogic> eu din Iasi
<Seveas> ciplogic, english please
<Matthewv> snowblink, no.. i'm using dapper.. :) I've just got the chat there, and it was there in breezy, but I've never used it
<ciplogic> Seveas: sorry
<C-O-L-T> highvoltage: I see, I have heared a lot about fc 5. They say it is really cool. Just I don't know if it will work on my pc. 1300 MHZ, 256 ram
<snowblink> _jason, Matthewv, cheers. I'll keep searching.
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: Location is Gheorgheni, County Harghita. Let's use english because they will ban. Anyway I am a hungarian
<ciplogic> C-O-L-T: register to nickserv to talk in romanian using IM
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: English is ok for me
<ciplogic> C-O-L-T: anyway is great :)
<highvoltage> C-O-L-T: should run fine on your PC
<ciplogic> C-O-L-T: stop things that you don't use (like CUPS) and for sure will work great
<ciplogic> FC5 will lack on multimedia support
<C-O-L-T> highvoltage: Okay than I should give a try to fedora core 5? What I wanted to ask. I really need to install 5 cd of software? Whether fedora has a synaptic?
<Matthewv> C-O-L-T, I'm running gnome and ubuntu quite fine on a PIII 800Mhz with 192 MB RAM
<ciplogic> here I think you will lose more than Ubuntu
<ciplogic> in rest depends of what you need, Ubuntu goes more to desktop, Fedora to Workstation
<dv_> anyone already runs gnome 2.14?
<ciplogic> Me
<imperfect-> Anyone got mythtv working under ubuntu?
<dv_> I want to know if gedit 2.14 really has session support (I heard both that it has and that it doesnt)
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: I am writing to you in private,
<highvoltage> C-O-L-T: fedora has something similar to synaptic, and you don't need CD5 for installation, perhaps ask on #fedora too?
<C-O-L-T> highvoltage: but how many space asks fedora?
<dealt> greetings
<cycus_zwisus> is fedora worth trying?
<C-O-L-T> highvoltage: I asked on #fedora but nobody wants to help me. They are not interested in new users
<highvoltage> really? wow.
<highvoltage> in that case, screw them!
<Matthewv> C-O-L-T, then don't try fedora... simple
<bart_> 
<bart_> guys, please help me
<C-O-L-T> Matthewv: do you know what really catched me? The style of fedora. The colors, the icons :))))
<C-O-L-T> bart_: what is it
<bart_> i want to change the resolution for my framebuffer
<Matthewv> C-O-L-T, better than ubuntu brown???? :)
<jetscreamer> same icons are available
<cycus_zwisus> i had fedora core 3 on my computer for ...........
<cycus_zwisus> quess for how long?
<bart_> what values i need to enter for 1280x960?
<C-O-L-T> Matthewv: for me better. Can I get that style?
<ciplogic> Matthewv: use Tango to have "consistent" look
<dealt> hi quick question: how can i disable time synchronization on startup?
<cycus_zwisus> guess*
<bart_> you know... vga=???
<C-O-L-T> bart_: ask here around. I really don't know, sorry
* bart_ waiting... :)
<C-O-L-T> cycus_zwisus: for how long
<Frogzoo> dealt: rm /etc/rc2/*ntpdate
<cycus_zwisus> for half a day, it wasn't a distro for me
* bart_ is getting sick on googling for it ;P
<ciplogic> look on VESA modes
<C-O-L-T> bart_: just ask again and not for help. Write your problem again
<bart_> good idea!! wait...
<ciplogic> the vesa mode coresponding of that resolution is your VGA mode
<Matthewv> C-O-L-T, ciplogic you should be able to find the fedora theme and iconset somewhre on the net... its called bluecurve , if i remember properly
<C-O-L-T> Matthewv: cool, let's search in google
<ciplogic> Matthewv: I love ubuntu dapper's new icons
<cycus_zwisus> bluecurve, you remember properly
<YukiCuss> ciplogic, how good is Tango? :)
<Matthewv> thanx.. cycus_zwisus
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: I like dapper, too, I installed flight 5 but I deleted it in 3 hours because it crashed always
<YukiCuss> C-O-L-T, weird, it's not crashed for me once, installed for some time.
<cycus_zwisus> dapper's icons have changed?
<ciplogic> C-O-L-T: actual release is a lot more stable
<C-O-L-T> YukiCuss: for me crashed
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: I know it is stabel
<C-O-L-T> ciplogic: stable
<ciplogic> cycus_zwisus: yes... there are new brown icons
<YukiCuss> cycus_zwisus, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/OfficialTango
<ciplogic> cycus_zwisus: but not all are finished
<Matthewv> last time i tried FC i gave up because somehow I overwrote mbr.. yeah.. it was my fault... but i was trying to get grub on floppy, and FC had no option for that... :)
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, you are aware of 'yum' though, right?
<dealt> thanks Frogzoo
<Frogzoo> yw dealt
<cycus_zwisus> the MOST BEAUTIFUL icons are (imho) nuvola ones (kde)
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: I have never used fedora and I don't know how to use yum. Anyway my first linux distro is ubuntu. so I am new in linux. Just I am interested in fedora
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, well, fedora has man pages too, so try 'man yum'
<cycus_zwisus> i suppose there is nuvola iconset for gnome too
<Matthewv> C-O-L-T, and the big reason I won't try fedora.. i will not download 4 cds just for 1 OS...
<YukiCuss> cycus_zwisus, particularly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUbuntuIcons
<bart_> what values i need to enter for 1280x960?
<bart_> you know... vga=???
<C-O-L-T> Matthewv: why is fedora 4 cd?
<ciplogic> great link :)
<cycus_zwisus> Matthewv, i agree with you, what are 4 cds for?
<ciplogic> YukiCuss: you are a magnific looker
<bart_> at boottime i mean
<Matthewv> so much software bundled with it that most users never use.. i suppose
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, the full distro with much of the stuff included in the yum repos is 4 cds yes
<YukiCuss> ciplogic, thanks. :)
<mario> oi
<bart_> what values i need to enter for 1280x960 framebuffer support?
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: there is not a thing like in ubuntu. You install 1 cd but you get just the useful everyday tools in ti
<damian__> hi im using drawer gnome panel applet do make a "start" menu but they open on the left off screen...Any way to change this? The forst one opens fine opens upwards thats the initial menu icon then the submenus whitch are more drawers open off screen
<Matthewv> cya all later
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, you do get the useful stuff with the other many-cd distros too, just the other cds are provided to save having to download them as you go
<cycus_zwisus> is it possible to install fedora from 1 or 2 cds?
<YukiCuss> bart_, research tells me you can't get that resolution.
<ompaul> !offtopic
<ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
<ciplogic> mode 0x307  = 1280x1024
<ompaul> cycus_zwisus, fedora is offtopic :-)
<elkbuntu> oops, i thought this was offtopic.. i would have ushered otherwise...
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: I see
<C-O-L-T> ompaul: we are just discussing about fedora 5. That is all
<bart_> YukiCuss, any higher poss than 1024x768?
<YukiCuss> bart_, sure.
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, he knows. fedora != ubuntu
<bart_> YukiCuss, tell me<!
<YukiCuss> 1152x864, 1280x1024 and 1600x1200.
<GnarusLeo> Can I get my Secure Digital slot (SD) to work with ubuntu?
<YukiCuss> bart_, which one do you want? :)
<cycus_zwisus> YukiCuss, new dapper icons are very nice :)
<YukiCuss> cycus_zwisus, definitely!
<bart_> what are the vga modes?
<ciplogic> mode 0x307  = 1280x1024
<YukiCuss> bart_, see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html <-- scroll to section 5.3. make sure to convert from hex to decimal before you enter it into your cmomand line
<ompaul> bart_, a way of intereacting with the screen
<YukiCuss> command*
<bart_> YukiCuss, i know for 1024x768 it's vga=773...
<YukiCuss> bart_, there are several different ones, depending on what bitdepth you want.
<YukiCuss> bart_, see above page, it will reveal all.
<bart_> 24 bit
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: I see :D
<bart_> YukiCuss, thanks! i check it...
<YukiCuss> bart_, actually, 773 is for 8-bit 1024x768.
<cycus_zwisus> is kernel 2.6.16 gonna be in dapper?
<ompaul> !dapper
<ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: Can I install gnome 2.14 on breezy?
<ompaul> you can find out abut it there ^^
<ciplogic> cycus_zwisus: for sure
<dealt> hi. where do i define my gateway?
<ciplogic> dealt: system->administration->network
<paolob> dealt, in /etc/network/interfaces
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, if you want to chance your luck with dapper... discussion for which is in #ubuntu+1
<dealt> paolob - u mean i'll add it in my eth0 settings?
<dealt> paolob - address, netmask..then gateway or gw?
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: I have installed dapper but it always crashed. I wait till the final release
<dealt> paolob: sorry, newbie on ubuntu :(
<C-O-L-T> ompaul: Dapper ships in June???????? That is sure?
<paolob> dealt, add          gateway your-ip
<paolob>    to iface ethx....
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, it is, yes
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, visit the tinyurl to understand
<C-O-L-T> dealt: we love newbie over here
<dealt> gee thanks
<ompaul> C-O-L-T, yes
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: I have visited it. I wanted gnome 2.14 cause it is faster than 2.12/ Now???
<bart_> YukiCuss, i need for a friend of mine with a 17 inch lcd screen a high resolution at 24 bts depth... which one?
<C-O-L-T> ompaul: what they want to make? They are developing dapper for a long time
<YukiCuss> bart_, for a 17", i'd go no higher than 1280x1024.
<bart_> 1280x1024 vga=?
<ompaul> C-O-L-T, read the url that comes with that factoid
<YukiCuss> bart_, 0x31b, vga=795
<bart_> :)
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, you really should take this discussion to #ubuntu+1
<bart_> YukiCuss: Thansk a lot really!!! rebooting in a few secs...
<YukiCuss> I hope to god that works ...
<C-O-L-T> ompaul
<C-O-L-T> ompaul: I have read, I see now
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: ok. But practically in your op. Can I install gnome 2.14 on breezy?
<Matthewv> bye all
<C-O-L-T> Matthewv: bye
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, i'm sure there is a way, but i dont know it
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: where to find it? I thought that upgrading to gnome 2.14 will be as easy as upgrading ubuntu
<elkbuntu> C-O-L-T, i dont know
<C-O-L-T> elkbuntu: I will ask on #gnome. Probably they know it
<elkbuntu> that would be logical
<elkbuntu> ##gnome too
<chrisbudden14> How can I restore my default keymap?  Im EN-UK
<Blippe> chrisbudden14, dpkg-reconfigure locales
<Blippe> why ask a question and then log off?
<gtwirth> can someone help me please I want to know how to log into a drive as a su
<LadyNikon> gtwirth: sudo su
<_jason> gtwirth: use 'sudo -i' instead
<LadyNikon> log into a drive?
<chrisbudden14> When my input is set to United Kingdom, they keys are incorrect
<gtwirth> k I did that and it let me in under the konsole I need to get in under the gui and I am lost
<apokryphos> C-O-L-T: don't know much about gnome at all, sorry. If there are ubuntu packages, I'd imagine they'd list it on the gnome site.
<apokryphos> C-O-L-T: if not, you'll either have to wait till dapper, or compile :)
<C-O-L-T> apokryphos: Ok I will look for it.
<Blippe> chrisbudden14, dpkg-reconfigure locales
<untouchable> hi all
<chrisbudden14> thanks
* mode/#ubuntu [+o Ubugtu]  by ChanServ
<altwizard> hi, Any who is using the latest Version of Ati drivers , got OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
<altwizard>  when running fglrxinfo and crappy glxgears?
<LadyNikon> gtwirth: you want to run your gui as root?
<gtwirth> k how do I do that
<untouchable> i need someone who knows better ubuntu, i need to check my source.list it`s here-> http://pastebin.com/616033
<Blippe> gtwirth, gksudo
<Blippe> gtwirth, kdsu if you run kubuntu
<[Wiebel] > ok that helped
<[Wiebel] > I have yet another issue though
<[Wiebel] > If i logout of gnome, some processes keep running
<[Wiebel] > like gnome-panel
<[Wiebel] > If i do the same test wit a new user , this doesnt happen
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<vice-versa> any toshiba tecra m4 users here?
<untouchable> Hey ppl, i need a little help here...
<GnarusLeo> Cant I view .jpg pictures??? What do I need?
<apokryphos> GnarusLeo: 'course you can
<apokryphos> untouchable: someone responded already in #kubuntu :)
<ubuntu666> hi
<GnarusLeo> apokryphos, how? every .jpg picture I have recieved could not be opened with anything
<ubuntu666> is there a reason why my .bashrc is not being activated when I log in.  I cannot figure out why its not being read, and its pissing me off.  the .bashrc files for other users work when they log in.
<vice-versa> or any toshiba notebook users for that matter
<chrisbudden14> unfortunatly dpkg-reconfigure locals didnt work.  Should I try restarting X?
<ubuntu666> if I type bash after logging in, it works my .bashrc is loaded
<ubuntu666> wtf is going on with this
<ubuntu666> i just installe breezy 'server'
<_jason> ubuntu666: ~/.bashrc only gets sourced when you start a non-login shell.  man bash has the details
<redguy> ubuntu666: AFAIR bashrc is not loaded on login shells
<mwe> What does this mean in human language? : This GDB was configured as "i486-linux-gnu"..."/usr/bin/checkinstall": not in executable format: File format not recognized
<mwe> it happens for all programs I try to debug
<apokryphos> GnarusLeo: can't remember what the gnome image viewer is called. Opening it in nautilus doesn't work?
<redguy> ubuntu666: if you want to run .bashrc you have to run it from .bash_profile
<redguy> ubuntu666: and yes, man bash has this and also a lot of other usefull info ;-)
<ubuntu666> _jason: i installed breezy 1 hour ago, updated to dapper, it was unstable, so now I installed breezy again.  Why is it, that when I installed breezy 'server' 1 hour ago, I did not have to worry about it, and this time around I install it again, and its not reading it
<vice-versa> hmmm, no Toshiba lappy users here?
<ubuntu666> I mean is this unpredictable behaviour in the distro
<ubuntu666> or what?
<ubuntu666> I am not sure if I can stick to a distro that does all sorts of weird crap on its own
<_jason> ubuntu666: maybe it was getting sourced in bash_profile... I don't know
<redguy> ubuntu666: no, propably some package made bash_profile source it. Localozation specific packages have a tendency to do so.
<ompaul> ubuntu666, maybe the media is having a bad day
<Nogimics> anyone know what: gnome-pty-helper is?
<sorryd> hello all. Am I doing something wrong if I get a "W: Couldn't stat source package list" warning in synaptic?
<ompaul> Nogimics, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-devel-list/2005-November/msg00014.html
<ubuntu666> alright, i cannot figure out how to fix this bashrc thing
<ubuntu666> im seriously ticked off and I have so little time
<ubuntu666> i can't read man page upon man page to fix this trivial thing
<ubuntu666> can someone just tell me what to do
<ubuntu666> please
<tom__> can anyone help a n00b with a trivial problem?
<th0rndike> hi again yall
<ubuntu666> install ubuntu once, it works, intsall it again it doesn't work
<ubuntu666> what in the hell is going on
<ubuntu666> this is retarded
<th0rndike> tom__,  juz ask
<Nogimics> ompaul doesnt really answer my question fully. However Ive just noticed when I used "ps x" that it's running and have never seen it there before
<tom__> hang on it mite be oright
<chrisbudden14> does anyone else here use Dapper and EN-GB keyboard layout
<th0rndike> ubuntu666, u sure u did it well the second time? what u saying doesnt make sense
<th0rndike> ubuntu666, but try being mor specific with your problem...
<ubuntu666> this is fvcking stupid
<ubuntu666> seriously, pardon the frustration
<_jason> ubuntu666: we told you already, source bashrc in bash_profile
<ubuntu666> but how hard is it to tell someone to put an entry for .bashrc in your .bash_profile
<ubuntu666> _jason: yeh
<th0rndike> nvm, im out for a while
<th0rndike> bb ppl
<Enthusiast78> Does postfix support ~/.forward files 'out of the box' in Ubuntu?
<vice-versa> Nogimics: gnome-pty-helper is a program that the setuid application used to open a pseudo-terminal, set the permissions, ownership and record user login information.
<ubuntu666> but seriously, I did this twice.  put in the ubuntu 5.10 cd and installed it twice.  One first install, everything is fine.  second time around, this bash problem occurs.  both time i popped in the cds and did 'server' install at boot
<ubuntu666> why did this happen
<ubuntu666> thats what I want to know
<ubuntu666> do thigns randomly screw up in ubuntu
<ziogio> ciao a tutti
<ziogio> ragazzi
<bwlang> ubuntu666: your attitude seems bad to me... perhaps your computer is sensing this and behaving in a non-deterministic way.
<ziogio> quanlcuno mi aiuta?
<ubuntu666> bwlang: im sorry it seems bad to you
<Nogimics> vice-versa why would it be showing up when I run "ps x" it never normally does
<ubuntu666> bwlang: no excuses for it, merely genuine reasons, that i am frustrated
<ciplogic> !offtopic
<ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
<ubuntu666> bwlang: also try not to be useless
<gtwirth> I still cant get the folder open in konqueror as a su I can access it in konsole any sugestions
<_jason> ubuntu666: what it is doing now is proper behavior according to man bash
<ubuntu666> _jason: don't care whats proper or what isn't, im simply wanting to know why two installs in the same way are behaving differently
<vice-versa> Nogimics: dunno, something spawned it
<_jason> ubuntu666: given that your last install is lost, that's impossible to determine.  You now know how things work, just make it do what you want and move on
<IzeyJr> is it possible to install win98 after I have installed Ubuntu?
<nazgulwalker> where can i install java sdk for my amd64 ubntu breezy?
<ubuntu666> well
<ESPOiG> where do i put fonts?
<ubuntu666> supposing I move on, and something along the line breaks on it own
<ubuntu666> then what?
<ubuntu666> simply keep moving on
<ESPOiG> where do i put fonts?
<RolfKaese|x> anyone here has knowledge about testdisk ?
<balachmar> you canoot just put fonts somewhere
<ESPOiG> yeh so were
<balachmar> you will have to run a commans that I cannot remember by heart
<IzeyJr> I want to duel boot but I have already installed Ubuntu
<ESPOiG> i need to put in tahoma.ttf to get steam workin
<_jason> ubuntu666: do what you want, you seem intent on blaming ubuntu even though you don't really know what happened
<ubuntu666> btw, i one time i installed ubuntu, server, from cd, manpages didn't get installed, neither did alsa
<balachmar> are the fonts ttf?
<ESPOiG> yeh
<balachmar> ok
<balachmar> let me google for you
<chrisbudden14> How can i reset the default keyboard layout
<RolfKaese|x> IzeyJr and whats the problem?
<ubuntu666> _jason: I am not blaming, I am asking, you're letting your blind love for ubuntu can't see past that and its making you defensive
<confrey> hi everybody
<ESPOiG> i read /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/truetype
<ESPOiG> but it is wrong
<ubuntu666> I just want to know if ubuntu is as unpredictable as it has been for me
<ubuntu666> or if it will continue to do so
<IzeyJr> RolfKaselx.... I am just tired of messin with wine so I want to install win98 to run the sorftware I have already paid for
<ubuntu666> because for my computing needs, I cannot afford to keep fixing things everyday
<balachmar>    1. Add the .ttf files to an existing directory that already has .ttf font files.
<balachmar>    2. Regenerate the index with
<balachmar>       ttmkfdir > fonts.dir
<balachmar>    3. Restart the font server (or just restart the window manager).
<paolob> guys, how do I enable apache2 in order to accept secure connections?
<vice-versa> Nogimics: pstree might shed some light on it for you though, sorry had to answer the phone.
<balachmar> just put it allong woth the other fonts
<nazgulwalker> where can i install java sdk for my amd64 ubntu breezy?
<nazgulwalker> can't i install emacs for amd64?
<ubuntu666> ultimate faggotry
<ubuntu666> ban me
<RolfKaese|x> IzeyJr oh... euhm cant help ya there ^-^;
<ESPOiG> doesnt work
<balachmar> it doesn't?
<Nogimics> vice-versa no probs thanks for replying
<IzeyJr> Rolfkaselx.... okies I quess I'll just wing it and see what happens
<RolfKaese|x> yo
<IzeyJr> thanks though
<tom__> ahhhhh! dont suppose anyone has ever had any connection problems with term
<confrey> I need help : I can't mount /home partition; I obtain this result from fsck.ext3 : Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda7 --- and  --- Could be this a zero-lenght partition?  what can I do?
<balachmar> does it recognize the command?
<ESPOiG> nah
<ESPOiG> no such command
<ESPOiG> i thought there wuld be just a folder sumwhere
<ESPOiG> but i cant find it
<nazgulwalker> can't i install emacs for amd64?(sudo apt-get install emacs) tells i can not ?
<balachmar> no, it doesn't work like that
<ESPOiG> umm well
<ESPOiG> did u read were i read it for
<ESPOiG> usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/truetype
<balachmar> then first install the command ttmkfdir through the synaptic package manager
<ESPOiG> that was someone else
<ESPOiG> im just gunna search for .ttf
<caglar_> what is a good alternative for gedit?
<ESPOiG> cream
<_jason> caglar_: vim
<ESPOiG> caglar_: cream
<kingspawn> nazgulwalker, try emacs21
<balachmar> ESPOiG: check this website: http://www.myfonts.com/Article1391.html
<balachmar> that should help you
<nazgulwalker> kingspawn : thank you!
<kingspawn> nazgulwalker, :)
<vice-versa> Any Toshiba lappy users here?
* mode/#ubuntu [-o apokryphos]  by apokryphos
<tom__> how would i go about installing emacs for a linux n00b
<RolfKaese|x> brb
<gtwirth> I think I was asking my question wrong from what I needed I need to know how to open a window in konqueror as a su
<nazgulwalker> "is there a file for j2sdk1.4 for amd64 ubuntu breezy?"
<theine_> tom__: install the emacs21 package?
<confrey> I need help : I can't mount /home partition; I obtain this result from fsck.ext3 : Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda7 --- and  --- Could be this a zero-lenght partition?  what can I do?
<theine_> confrey: are you sure that /dev/hda7 is your home partition?
<GTX> how do I stop shift+backspace from restarting X realy pissing me off
<gtwirth> I think I was asking my question wrong from what I needed I need to know how to open a window in konqueror as a su
<theine_> GTX: shift-backspace? you mean alt-ctrl-backspace, right?
<GTX> no
<GTX> ctrl + alt + backspace i got disabled
<GTX> but just shift + backspace does it to
<theine_> GTX: shift-backspace doesn't do anything on my machine
<GTX> and i cant find out how to disable it
<GTX> it does here..
<GTX> im running dapper
<Blippe> shift backspace does nothing on my machine either!
<theine_> GTX: me too
<cas> GTX: You use Xgl right?
<GTX> yes
<cas> there is a #ubuntu-xgl for xgl related questions
<cas> to fix it you must set a decent keyboard layout in system-prefs-keyboard
<redguy> there is #ubuntu+1 for dapper questions
<theine_> cas: so shift-backspace is an Xgl thing?
<bmp> oooo
<bmp> xgl
<bmp> I desire that
<bmp> DESIRE IT
<cas> theine_: yes it is
<bmp> it seems so very magical.
<redguy> but smells like bloat :-)
<gary> In gnome terminal (well vim really) is there a way of changing the colours of php comments, or comments in general.
<GTX> cas, i changed the layout to my right one (uk) now will it happen or not
<gary> My colour scheme is good apart from this small thing
<mathieu> gary: Edit -> Profile
<cas> GTX: did you also set  the model?
<GTX> yes
<cas> GTX: well, sorry to say, but only one way to find out ;)
<mathieu> Edit -> Current Profile -> Colors
<Enchanter> Howto play rmvb file with totem?
<GTX> woot cas i fixed it
<GTX> thanks
<cas> GTX: your welcome ;)
<jbritz22> I get this error when trying to run azureus, http://pastebin.com/616085, can anyone help me?
<ichdasich> hi
<cas> jbritz22: do you have the sun java installed?
<jbritz22> cas, is there any way to check?
<tom__> im bout to install java
<cas> jbritz22: java -version
<cas> jbritz22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
<cas> thats a good howto that worked for me
<jbritz22> cas, Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02)
<jbritz22> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02, mixed mode)
<caglar_> how do I reconfigure my systemlanguage?
<cas> jbritz22: then update to 1.5.0_06, azureus really needs a 1.5 sun version to run correctly
<jbritz22> how do I update
<cas> jbritz22: see the link ^^^^
<void^> this error usually indicates a bad java call or actually missing libs, or sometimes amd64/32bit mismatch
<ichdasich> does someone know, which runlevel the defaultone is?
<kmilo> Hi
<Hexidigital> how do i enable FTP services in Breezy?
<andriijas> how do i apt get the source from a package
<Hexidigital> !ftp
<ubotu> Good FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP server: proftpd
<NoWhereMan[away] > hi all
<Faulteh> another good ftp server - vsftpd (very secure ftpd)
<chrisbudden14> my keymap for en-gb is messed up, how can I reset it?
<Hexidigital> faulteh, can i find that on the synaptic installer?
<stamen> hello
<fart> can someone  hel- me get ubuntu to play dvds
<enno_> hi!
<stamen> could anybody give a working config
<stamen> for tv-out
<stamen> please
<cas> andriijas: apt-get source <package>
<Faulteh> Hexidigital, yeah i stumbled across it there
<NoWhereMan[away] > I'm planning to upgrade to dapper, I'm donwloading flight 5, I'd like to use the cdrom for the upgrade, how do I do it?
<Hexidigital> thanks faulteh
<NoWhereMan[away] > apt-cdrom ?
<enno_> fart: if you have installed the movie players you only need the codecs
<tom__> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
<confrey> theine_, yes, Im sure, but itt's not matter, I can't mount it as generic ext3 in /mnt
<LinuxJones> NoWhereMan[away] : just load the cd and you'll be prompted to upgrade
<vice-versa> Any Toshiba lappy users about?
<NoWhereMan[away] > LinuxJones: cool :) thanx
<fart> i thought  already got them. where d you g to get them
<stamen> so, is somebody going to help me?
<mike__> tesing
<enno_> stamen: which graphic adapter?
<stamen> ati
<stamen> I make it to work with 3D
<NoWhereMan[away] > anybody here tried xgl with an S3 card?
<Hexidigital> vsftpd gave me this error: 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
<stamen> but can;t make it to work with tv-out
<mike__> Is this an appropriate venue to ask about OpenOffice configuration?
<hugo|uwe> hello,  i have a stuped question, but which package provides "make"?
<chrisbudden14> build-essential hugo|uwe
<mike__> hugo, "make" supplies make.
<Faulteh> Hexidigital, u may already have an ftpd server running (like proftpd) you may want to either stop that one or uninstall it
<hugo|uwe> thanks chrisbudden14
<Frogzoo> hugo|uwe: 'build-essential'
<Seveas> !tell hugo|uwe about compiling
<Hexidigital> i dont remember installing one, Faulteh... is one installed as default?
<enno_> stamen: dont know much about it but maybe this helps: http://dir.filewatcher.com/d/Ubuntu/i386/misc/atitvout_0.4-2_i386.deb.19384.html
<chrisbudden14> anyone using a en-gb keyboard config
<stamen> enno: OK, will try, thank u
<Frogzoo> hugo|uwe: no - make apparently
<Faulteh> Hexidigital, i can't remember if one is installed by default, but at the shell see if any ftpd is running, ps ax |grep ftp
<sfaris> !installwindows
<ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sfaris
<sfaris> :\
<sfaris> !windows
<ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sfaris
<sfaris> hm, im searching for the guide how to put grub in the mbr after installing windows
<Hexidigital> faulteh, 28635 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd
<Hexidigital> 28716 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep ftp
<Hexidigital> looks like only vsftpd
<NoWhereMan[away] > how can I bechmark gl performance ?
<NoWhereMan[away] > *opengl
<Hexidigital> is there a GUI for vsftpd?
<Faulteh> Hexidigital, it's a pretty simple config file - /etc/vsftpd.conf
<cas> NoWhereMan[away] : glxgears
<NoWhereMan[away] > cas huh, yes! :) thanks
<Hexidigital> faulteh, thanks, maybe i can figure it out in there
<sfaris> does anybody know how to restore grub into the MBR after installing windows?
<Mr_Morden> how to create a boot floppy for ubuntu?
<Frogzoo> !tell sfaris about fixgrub
<Frogzoo> !tell sfaris about grub
<chmod775> fixgrub
<sfaris> thanks
<chmod775> !fixgrub
<ubotu> chmod775: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<stamen> anno: are u there
<black_13> i want to to do a full update of the system i have what is the way to do that
<stamen> how to fix this:
<stamen> stamen@stamen:~$ sudo atitvout auto
<stamen> VBE call failed.
<stamen> Maybe this command is not supported by your graphics adapter?
<stamen> Did your parameters (if you specified some) really make sense?
<stamen> Please try all other available commands before complaining!
<stamen> vbe is loaded
<redguy> stamen: dont't paste in here
<stamen> ok
<stamen> but can somebody help me
<stamen> d
<stamen> d
<galen> hello
<liana> can someone help, am a newbie and just installed 5.10 about an hour ago... repositories were working fine for a while but now am getting a message saying it 'couldn't stat source package' when i try to apt-get something... what do i do?
<kmilo> sfaris, boot from live, mount the partition chroot in to it and run the grub command
<galen> does some has knowledge / xp hor to install flashplayer ?
<galen> hmm hmm everone's busy ;o)
<Seveas> liana, sudo apt-get update
<liana> seveas: no change after the update
<Seveas> liable, please psate results of apt-get update and apt-get install on the pastebin
<Mr_Morden> How can I create an Ubuntu Boot Floppy for a computer that does not support boot-cds (on windows)?
<pdlnhrd> is there a way to setup /etc/hosts to allow for all subdomains of a domain instead of having to list out each one individually?
<GTX> how do I restart my networking i tried /etc/init.d/networking restart but it didnt load /etc/network/interfaces any ideas?
<liana> seveas: sorry, am completely new to this, i hope you can excuse my stupidity.. but what is a pastebin ;)
<Frogzoo> galen: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
<Frogzoo> !pastebin
<ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
<GTX> Can someone help me on my question please?
<liana> !pastebin
<liana> whoops
<Morfosomo> liana, no stupidity comes from beeing new to something,. pastebin is a web site where you can put text and information that would be really cumbersome to display here
<Morfosomo> zen mind beginers mind ;)
<galen> Frogzoo, couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree :o(
<fart> dos anyone know why vlc dosent play dvds on ubuntu
<galen> fart, got to install nonfree codecs ;o) am working on it myself
<fart> where can i get it
<anstei> GTX: try sudo ifconfig [interface]  down && sudo ifconfig [interface]  up
<fart> i thought vlc had all the codecs
<galen> fart try sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
<liana> seveas: is pastebinned :)
<galen> fart in windows yes, in linux not
<Seveas> liana, that looks suspicious - VERY suspicious even. PLease paste the contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list on the pastebin too - I think it's broken
<Hexidigital> anyone know where i can find a list of college irc channels?? i need to work on a project
<s_spiff> how do i install .tar.gz files?
<s_spiff>  i got easy ubuntu tarball
<ompaul> Hexidigital, would not really be the sort of thing this network goes for
<Seveas> !tell s_spiff about compiling
<s_spiff>  so wanna know how to instralling
<tristanmike> Is there a way to get Pantone colors for use in The Gimp/Inkscape/Scribus ?
<fart> i got "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 17 not upgraded with" sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
<Hexidigital> ompaul, i thought so, but i also thought it wouldn't hurt to ask
<black_13> how do i a complete update of my system ?
<ompaul> s_spiff, go to #easyubuntu and ask there
<liana> seveas: sources posted
<s_spiff> ok..thaank
<Frogzoo> black_13: 'sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade'
<Seveas> liana, you're mixing 2 versions of Ubuntu and some crappy unoffical repos there
<black_13> Frogzoo thanks
<liana> seveas: whoops. what should i change?
<Seveas> liable, what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
<Frogzoo> black_13: yw
<Seveas> liana*
<liana> lol freudian slip
<liana> seveas:  Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" \n \l
<malba> ola
<malba> ola
<malba> alwuiej abla con migop
<Seveas> liana, ok, go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6047 and use that file as sources.list
<Seveas> malba, english please
<lasindi> Is there a way to start up another simultaneous X11 session from KDE (like the "Switch to another user" button in GNOME)?
<kmilo> lasindi, startx -- :1
<fart> if i could only watch a dvd
<s_spiff> ompaul, i joined easuyubuntu... and no1 cares to help out there
<patrix> !tell galen about flash
<s_spiff>  can u just tell me what commands to use to install a tarball?
<jayr168> how can I make a link to konqueror SUPER USER mode?
<Frogzoo> !tell fart about restricted
<jayr168> how can I make a link to konqueror SUPER USER mode?
<Seveas> jayr168, you shouldn't...
<kfirb> how can I tell why my computer freezes the screen ? which log file I should look into ?
<jayr168> seveas: theres no problem in the only one using my pc
<Seveas> jayr168, you can seriously mess it up that way...
<tristanmike> s_spiff, "tar xvjf file.tar.bz2"  for a tar.bz2 and "tar xvzf file.tar.gz" for a tar.gz
<jayr168> please tell me how.. i used 'kdesu kfmclient' it ask my password and quits..
<Seveas> kfirb, /var/log/{kern*,emerg*,syslog}
<s_spiff> tristanmike, thats... will try it.
<kfirb> Seveas: is there a better way to look there than just less all the three files??
<Seveas> kfirb, tail -n 100 | less ;)
<tristanmike> s_spiff, of course, you can always right click on the file and select "Extract Here" for the eaiser way, but that's just me ;P
<kfirb> Seveas: thanks
<Raskall> hmm... why does ubuntu (breezy) sometimes fuck up character set when it has gotten updates and been rebooted?
<Raskall> I very often has to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to get things working again.
<Detrux> Hello
<fart> yay libdvdplay0
<Seveas> Raskall, maybe temporary langpack problem
<scott> Hi there - am very new to Ubuntu, and to Linux (have just moved from Windows...). I'm a bit lost. Every time I try to run an install .bin file I get the following error message: "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<scott> ". Does anybody know what I need to do?
<Detrux> I am thinking fo installing this, but I am new to linux, can anyone help answer a few questions?
<Seveas> hmm, breezy - shouldn't happen there
<Seveas> scott, yes, don't run installers but use Ubuntu packages.
<Raskall> Seveas: the problems are when ssh-ing in and working in screen
<Seveas> Detrux, sure
<lasindi> kmilo: I mean one that starts up a gdm login screen and all that, just like you can in GNOME.
<tristanmike> Scribus doesn't have a Menu entry ??
<Detrux> Do I have to create a new partition for ubuntu, or will ubuntu setup do this?
<jayr168> how do I add the location bar in nautilus gnome?
<scott> Seveas - sorry, not sure what you mean.
<Seveas> jayr168, <ctrl> L
<Seveas> scott, what are you installing?
<scott> Trying to install Realplayer - the media players that were bundled aren't doing it for me.
<Seveas> don't.
<Seveas> install mplayer and w32codecs
<Seveas> !tell scott about restricted
<Detrux> Do I have to create a new partition for ubuntu, or will ubuntu setup do this?
<kfirb_> hda: task_in_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
<Seveas> Detrux, the installer can create and resize partitions for you
<Detrux> thank-you
<kfirb_> does this mean I have bad sectors?
<cmg_> my /etc/resolv.conf file gets rewritten every time I reboot, so i have to re-enter my DNS setting every time I boot this machine.. any idea what is going on (i'm running hoary)
<Seveas> kfirb_, it means you have harddisk errors, bad sectors are a (nut unlikely) possibility
<Seveas> cmg_, you use DHCP?
<jayr168> seveas: how do I get back to the tabbed mode in nautilus
<cmg_> Seveas,  no, static
<kfirb_> Seveas: any suggestions what may cause this?
<Seveas> kfirb_, sometimes harddisks die
<liana> seveas: sources are still not working, still saying couldn't stat source packages
<Seveas> liable, you need to run apt-get update once
<derelm> hi everyone, i am having troubles with my wlan usb-card. it is a wusb54g linksys card. can anyone please assist?
<Seveas> liana*
* Seveas hates the <tab> key...
<kfirb_>  hda: task_in_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=87162296, sector=87162296
<liana> sev: lol
<kfirb_> was following the last err... does it enlighten the thing?
<Seveas> kfirb_, still says there are errors
<jayr168> seveas: how do I get back to the tabbed mode in nautilus
<Seveas> jayr168, nautilus has no 'tabbed mode'
<kfirb_> Is it likely that this is the reason that my machine hangs on and off ? (just freezes the screen, may be during screensaver)
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: is your drive making funny noises?
<jayr168> seveas: I mean the default mode before I pressed ctrl+L
<chrisbudden14> what files are to do with fonts in ~/
<Seveas> jayr168, press it again
<liana> seveas: sweet, part is working now, although is still not installing things, now it's telling me it can't get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open; unable to lock the download directory
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: I don't hear any, but the power supply does :)
<jayr168> seveas: not working
<Seveas> liana, you probably have another package manager (synaptic, the auto-updater etc..) open
<stoned> which package contains the "DejaVu Sans Condensed" font?
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: because you really shouldn't be getting those errors
<Seveas> jayr168, then type in a file location, it'll disappear
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: should I try a different HD?
<patrick522> hello
<nosilver4u> are there any decent programs for capturing video on linux?
<Seveas> nosilver4u, kino, cinelerra
<patrick522> right i just installed ubuntu 5.10 but how do i see my other windows partions
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: is this for an existing or new install?
<kfirb_> and some other unrelated question: is there a photoshop for linux?
<Seveas> kfirb_, gimp
<koobi> kfirb_: you can try pixel, or GIMP
<patrick522> gimp is the best
<koobi> pixel is not open source though but GIMP is
<Metaltron> !mp3
<ubotu> mp3 is probably a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<Seveas> !tell patrick522 about ntfs
<kfirb_> Frogzoo:  it's +- 3 months old, updated
<kfirb_> (breezy)
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: and you've never had these problems up to now?
<jayr168> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686-smp is this my kernel?
<jayr168> is it an executable 'binary' file?
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: This copmuter does problems since the day it was bought (2 years ago), but usually it did it under windows.
<kfirb_> It was quite stable for a while under ununtu...
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: what's your power supply?
<Seveas> that is your kernel indeed and you cannot just execute it
<chrisbudden14> font files anyone?
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<kfirb_> 220V transformator, probably outputs 150/200/250W
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: it's a little known, dirty secret at the cheap end of the pc market, that cheap power supplies cause all sorts of hard to track down problems
<jayr168> xorg and nvidia PCX 5300...  when using the 'nv' driver cause frezze on my system
<jayr168> i need to set it to VESA mode
<scott> Seveas: Is there any list I can get of apps that will or will not work well with Ubuntu?
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: if you can, swap in a quality power supply & see if the problem goes away
<Seveas> scott, http://packages.ubuntu.com
<jayr168> how do I prevent X from being started when booting?
<patrick522> where do i type this in to get the script cd
<patrick522> wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
<scott> Tx
<Seveas> patrick522, applications -> accessories -> terminal
<patrick522> ok
<liana> seveas: it's working now *cross fingers* thanks for your help!
<nosilver4u> has anyone here actually done video capture with ubuntu?
<patrix> jayr168, if yo'r ein gnome right now, go to system -> admin -> serivces  and disabled gdm and kdm (if you have kde)
<koobi> Seveas: how come your repositories never work for me? they seem to be down all the time. i use your mirrors, btw
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: so I should but a decent power supply to start with? is it likely that this crashes the HD?
<Seveas> koobi, which mirror?
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: a new power supply might not fix the problem - but if you can borrow a power supply to test, then definately worth a shot
<koobi> actually i tried all mirrors you had posted on your page that had the complete repos, a few weeks ago and none of them seemed to work. are they all functioning now?
<Seveas> koobi, they/ve been functioning all the time, I think you need to read the big bold notices on the wikipage again
<jayr168> patrix: I cant do that, theres no time after X is started right after I log on it freezes
<patrix> jayr168, if not, go in /etc/rc2.d/   and delete S??gdm and S??kdm   (the ?? are 2 numbers, but the shell will udnerstand this, as ? means "any character")
<patrick522> wow it worked now i can see my windows partions
<kfirb_> and another unrelated question guys: I dled via bittorrent a disk image which is a pair of .cue/.bin files. Under windows nero can burn them, and I can mount them using a virtual cdrom (daemon) program. I have no idea what to do here...
<ompaul> koobi, the ones that say get the repos from mirrors :)
<koobi> i did, its odd that it didnt work though. even wine.sourceforge,net doesnt work for me...strange
<koobi> and archive.ubuntu.com doesnt work either...maybe its my location
<jc_> Hi everybody !
<ompaul> well if you did  wine.sourceforge.net in its palce
<koobi> ompaul: wine.sourceforge.net worked 3 days ago, but not anymore
<patrick522> now heres a big question what the best music player to my my mp3 on
<ompaul> koobi, where are you?
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: k3b will burn the .bin, if given the .cue
<koobi> apt-get gives me a 404 for wine and tells me that the gzip at archive.ubuntu.com is in an incorrect format
<gentoo> hi
<gentoo> wei hier jemand was die dateierweiterung atb ist?
<koobi> ompaul: i live in Sri Lanka - south asia, south of india
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<ompaul> koobi, it should not be an issue
<ompaul> koobi, go into #ubuntu-offtopic
<Seveas> gentoo, english please
<koobi> yeah i'll sort it out later..its just weird though, just wondering
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: what is the simplest way to mount it ? (I have only empty DVDs currently :) )
<Esco> hi
<gogo_> how do i edit grub to make windows the default operating system on startup?
<Esco> i have problems with my ubuntu
<gentoo> sorry
<Esco> i use a router with dhcp but i became no ip adress
<patrix> gogo_, insert the line:  "default x"   where x is the number correspodning to the entry (first entry is 0, second is 1, etc)
<Seveas> gogo_, change the line that starts with default and make it point to the correct one
<Esco> what is it??
<patrick522> i keep getting an error when i try to play mp3 in rythmbox media player
<gogo_> Thanx
<Seveas> !mp3
<ubotu> from memory, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<patrix> gogo_, or leave default to 0, and move the windows entry as the first entry
<Hexidigital> what's the link to the paste site?
<Esco> hey can someone help me?
<NoWhereMan> I've inserted dapper cd, it has been found but I fear it won't dist-upgrade but just update
<NoWhereMan> Esco what's up
<Xnix> anyone in here good with sed?
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: oh, i thought you wanted to burn the image to cd. To mount the image, you need to use 'bchunk' to convert it to an iso, you can then mount it as a loopback 'sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loopback blah.iso /mnt'
<Esco> i use a router with dhcp and i became no ip adress what is it?
<Xnix> im trying to figure out how to replace all '-' in a file
<Xnix> \- isnt working
<NoWhereMan> Esco, have you tried typing sudo dhclient in a terminal ?
<ompaul> Xinx tr is a good program to work with for doing that
<iceman_> what max processor support in ubuntu defauls kernel
<kfirb_> Frogzoo bchunk produces only  2 small iso files... I doesn't seem like an image to me...
<Xnix> ompaul is there no way to do it in said?
<Esco> yes i have typed sudo dhclient -s 192.168.0.1
<Esco> and nothing happend
<Xnix> ompaul bleh sed
<iceman_> Will ubuntu on install support quad cpu's ?
<NoWhereMan> Esco, I'm afraid I can't help here I'm not good with networking
<ompaul> Xnix, yeap but I would not be the best with that s/\-/You_name_it/g
<Esco> ok thanks
<Esco> i have a problem with dhcp can everybody help me?
<Frogzoo> kfirb_: 'bchunk blah.bin blah.cue blah'
<Xnix> ompaul yeah i tried that, doesnt seem to work, i think there is something special with the -
<Dr34mC0d3r> im researching a ubuntu based LDAP authintication server for windows xp clients - anyone got some good links for me?
<neurosis> is there a way to have users only see what processes they are running without jailing them?
<jc_> try sudo dhclient eth0 (if eth0 is your interface)
<iceman_> Compaq Proliant 6500 QUAD XEON P3 500 mhz Server  wonder if i'll have much trouble getting full kernel support on that ...
<Dr34mC0d3r> kinda like a Linux Active Directory for windows clients to authinticate against.
<jbroome> iceman_: smp kernel should do fine
<NoWhereMan> cas, I've put the dapper cd into the drive and it was added to the sources
<NoWhereMan> what now? just "mark all the updates" O_o
<NoWhereMan> ?
<iceman_> figure for a file server ,,, hay ... redundance pays ...
<ompaul> Xnix, hmm
<galen> guys check the universe / multiverse adding repositories an all will be fine ;o) it's so easy
<cas> NoWhereMan: did I missed something, last time I helped you I only said glxgears :)
<cas> NoWhereMan: you wanna update to dapper or something?
<NoWhereMan> cas, oops, sorry wrong person :p
<NoWhereMan> anyway, yes if you can help me
<ofer0> in "dpkg -l" i found a line like this: "rc     program      version         description". what does the "rc" means? I know that "ii" means the program is installed
<Frogzoo_away> kfirb_: back
<cas> NoWhereMan: np :)
<jayr168> what is a FOO bar?
<holobyted> is there any way to make all dialog boxes open in the middle of the screen? they tend to open up... anywhere
<NoWhereMan> cas, I've downloaded flight 5 and LinuxJones told me to put into the drive, and it would ask for updating... actually it has been added to the sources, do I have just to "maek all the updates" ? I don't want to scr*w up somthing, before I go on :)
<IzeyJr> can someone tell me the command to copy a file from one folder to another please
<tristanmike> jayr168, in what context ?
<ofer0> IzeyJr, cp
<IzeyJr> thanks
<ofer0> IzeyJr, cp /path/to/file /path/to/copy
<koobi> IzeyJr: cp /source/file.ext /destination/file.ext
<jayr168> example....  lspci | grep -a multimedia
<jayr168> example....  lspci | grep -i multimedia
<IzeyJr> lol okies thanks alot
<Esco> hey is here someone how nows something about dhcp??
<__gotcha> What is the recommended resource to check that Ubuntu supports a specific printer ?
<ofer0> Esco, me
* __gotcha sorry to repeat
<__gotcha> not usre my client was ok
<ofer0> __gotcha, ubuntu livecd
<__gotcha> sure
<ofer0> Esco, what seems to be the problem?
<dman> does ubuntu need a special param to support scsi raid
<avi_> hi all :)
<Esco> i have a router with dhcp
<[LS] Czav> Hi there, I am totally new to linux but i have been recomended ubuntu by several of my firends, however i have downloaded 2 versions of the live cd, but i run into the same problem when trying to install them. anyone that wouldnt mind querying me so i could try and see what i do wrong?
<__gotcha> ofer0: iow, no way to know without buying the printer ?
<ofer0> dman, don't think so. it should identify you are using SCSI @ setup time
<Esco> and i dont becam an ip adress
<__gotcha> or you imply going to the shop with the LiveCD ?
<avi_> i got this eror: checking QTDIR... configure: error: *** QTDIR must be defined, or --with-qtdir option given
<avi_>  what shuld do?
<dman> ofer0 the parition manager cant see my drive
<ofer0> [LS] Czav, please don't install the livecd.
<frogzoo> [LS] Czav: you can't install the live cd - you need to burn the install
<kr> lol
<ofer0> __gotcha, please give me the manufactor and model and how you connect it to the computer
<[LS] Czav> so i should download the other and burn it out?
<[LS] Czav> but id like to keep my windows instal incase it doesnt work for me..
<ofer0> Esco, you don't get an IP address by DHCP from the router?
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: does  the created .iso file of bchunk needs the original .cue/.bin afterwards or is it possible to delete them ?
<__gotcha> ofer0 HP LaserJet 2600 USB
<Esco> yes
<ofer0> avi_, you have QT installed?
<frogzoo> kfirb_: don't dispose of them until you know it's worked ;)
<frogzoo> kfirb_: so can you do the loopback mount now?
<ofer0> [LS] Czav, use gparted in linux or partition magic in windows to resize your partition and create a new partition for linux
<kfirb_> frogzoo: problem is, it creates for some reason 2 files, 70k each, I can loopback mount them even, but it seems they're too small and something is not going well
<[LS] Czav> allright.
<[LS] Czav> thanks.
<kfirb_> since I got the files from bittorrent, I assume they're ok...
<NoWhereMan> LinuxJones, it's enough to "mark all the updates" from synaptic? is this the equivalent of a dist-upgrade?
<kfirb_> weird...
<ofer0> Esco, okay. dhclient is running?
<frogzoo> kfirb_: yup, the bin & iso files should be about the same size
<__gotcha> ofer0, HP LaserJet 2600 USB
<Esco> dhclient?i typ it in the console but nothing happend
<ofer0> __gotcha, wait a sec please
<__gotcha> np
<ofer0> Esco, ps aux | grep dhclient  --> give me the output
<__gotcha> was not sure you had seen it
<Esco> ok now im in windows i must reboot
<kfirb_> Frogzoo, so I guess there's a problem with the specific .cue file I got...
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: or with by bchunk , which I installed by apt-get.. :), which seems unlikely
<frogzoo> kfirb_: one easy way to check would be to install k3b & try to burn it to disk, plus it just might work
<ofer0> __gotcha, are you sure you are talking about 2600?
<Esco> do you about /etc/network/interfaces??
<__gotcha> yes
<ofer0> __gotcha, okay nevermind
<kfirb_> k3b is graphical?
<frogzoo> kfirb_: bchunk doesn't support all .cue formats
<frogzoo> kfirb_: yes
<ofer0> Esco, yeah. but you should use graphical interfaces until you learn how to use the command line
<Eleaf> hi
<ofer0> Esco, sudo network-admin. this is a graphical interface for what you need. please play with it until it will work
<matthes> hi
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: is there an equivalent command line proggy?
<Eleaf> hmm
<frogzoo> kfirb_: nafaik
<Esco> ok thanks
<[LS] Czav> also, a quick question. I have amd x2 4400. should i download the 64bit or the regular version?
<ofer0> __gotcha, sorry, I didn't find any information about this printer. please open a new thread @ ubuntuforums.org
<Hexidigital> hey guys... having a problem getting CUPS to start
<__gotcha> ofer0: what is the usual way to check this without disturbing you ?
<takedown> [LS] Czav: 64 SMP
<ofer0> __gotcha, search google and HCL
<kfirb_> in the k3b desc, it says it is a gui for  cdrdao and cdrecord.
<drape> anyone know of a guide for setting up a nvidia video card to connect to a hd wega via s-video?
<drape> i get video, but no X
<ofer0> kfirb_, that's because it uses cdrdao or cdrecord for burning
<Hexidigital> !cups
<ubotu> rumour has it, cups is The Common UNIX Printing System (or CUPS) is a printing system and general replacement for lpd and the like.  See also http://linuxprinting.org/
<dman> hrm well ubuntu is loading the scsi card
<dman> but the parition manager isnt seeing my drive
<ofer0> dman, what is your partition manager?
<caglar_> my gpmayer doesnt allow me to select alsa as output since I compiled it from CVS, there is no "alsa" in the audio output list. can anyone help me?
<ofer0> dman, use 'lshw' to see if your drive is indentified. if it doesn't, look in 'dmesg' to see if linux had problems with it
<dman> lshw isnt on the install cd is it
<ofer0> dman, I think it comes with ubuntu, isn't it?
<tom__> can anyone help me with a java install
<kfirb_> Frogzoo: I don't currently have any kde application installed, I am just too afraid it will load the system with a lot of drivers I don't really need
<ofer0> yeap, it probably comes with ubuntu.
<ofer0> tom__, use automatix
<ofer0> kfirb_, drivers? for what?
<tom__> how do i use automatix
<dman> ofer0 the ubuntu paritoning wizard just says "manyally partition disk"
<dman> asin it cant find _my_ disk
<ofer0> tom__, first, download it.
<anto9us> !automatix
<ubotu> it has been said that automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
<tom__> ok
<nazgulwalker> how can i compile a java file in my ubuntu amd64??
<anto9us> !easyubuntu
<ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
<ofer0> anto9us, don't have time
<anto9us> ofer0, easyubuntu is a better alternative
<kfirb_> ofer0: when I marked k3 for installation, it wanted to install 20 dependent packagaes, that seemed like a KDE extension to my installation
<ofer0> anto9us, i'll try it soon. for now, my recommendation is automatix, since i have used it and tried it, and it is pretty good
<tom__> the main problem with all of these automatix and easyubuntu is that my terminal wont see the internet connection, however my browser will so i can download things from the net over a browser then install them but not from terminal
<tristanmike> ofer0, here's a comparison of automatix vs. easyubuntu
<ofer0> kfirb_, that's okay. don't worry.
<Blippe> anto9us, but i like to echo yes and no's with newlines!
<anto9us> ofer0, please don't recommend it here, if you want to use it then that's your option :)
<ofer0> tristanmike, where? :)
<simosx> automatix appears to be ok to use now, however the appropriate solution is to have some "on-demand installer" for things like codecs.
<nazgulwalker> how can i compile a java file in my ubuntu amd64??
<patrick522> i cant play mp3 in rythmbox
<tristanmike> ofer0, d'oh, brain fart, sorry, here http://nalioth.hostdestroyer.com/comparison.html
<ofer0> tristanmike, thanks
<ofer0> patrick522, you have to install mp3 support
<patrick522> how do i do that
<ofer0> patrick522, mp3 is not an open source format
<ofer0> that's why it won't come with ubuntu
<nazgulwalker> i need java software development kid for amd64 can someone help me ?
<tristanmike> patrick522, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad  for mp3 support
<anto9us> !mp3
<ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<ofer0> tristanmike, why not use aptitude?
<kingspaw1> anyone know where to look for information on changing what a laptop does when you close the lid?
<No1Viking> How do I change associations, wrong ones in Gnome?
<tristanmike> ofer0, ok, use aptitude
<mwe> kingspaw1: /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn
<simosx> ofer0, Fluendo managed to get a license for MP3 from Faunhoffer (sp?) so that gstreamer can come with MP3 support. Should be there in dapper.
<tristanmike> ofer0, no real reason
<nazgulwalker> i need java software development kid for amd64 can someone help me ?no?
<ofer0> simosx, it's good to know
<No1Viking> If I chose that a specific program would start when a specific file was opened, how do I change that?
<tom__> im trying to install netbeans, have already installed java re and jsdk, however netbeans wont automatically find my jsdk install when it should anyone got any ideas?? thanx
<kingspaw1> mwe: thank you
<nazgulwalker> OMG
<tom__> anyone??
<anto9us> tom__, sudo update-alternatives --config java
<th0rndike> hello all
<caitlin> oi oi, hello you lot
<buz> hi
<buz> i'm trying to install dapper flight 5 over the network
<buz> i can boot it just fine but i cant get any modules to load...
<buz> it claims modules on the mirrors are newer than my kernel
<caitlin> I've got ubuntu running on a laptop and on my desktop. I'm to get tftpd-hpa working, but it doesn't. the web seems to think this is trivial. i can't work out whats wrong
<buz> caitlin: i just did that
<dman> well ubuntu is detecting my scsi card fine, but not the raided hdds on it
<anto9us> No1Viking, right click the document file, select properties and open with
<buz> caitlin: apt-get install inetd
<mwe> kingspaw1: make a backup of what you change though
<buz>  /etc/init.d/inetd start
<buz> that should get tftpd working
<buz> for some reasons inetd isnt always installed
<vax_> hello :)
<caitlin> cheers
<vax_> hey, how do i start manually internet connection? I'm using adsl via eth0
<anto9us> dman, I think you may need to put your /boot somewhere off the raid
<caitlin> xinetd do?
<caitlin> ace, it started
<dman> anto9us this is during the install.
<dman> the installer wont see my hdd
<dman> hdd(s)
<tom__> anyone installed netbeans 5?
<Theprimata> i need help to install hp 820Cxi
<patrick522> how do i get codecs to play avi and other movie formats on ubuntu
<vax_> please
<vax_> how do i start manually internet connection?
<kfirb_> what's the best way to install a tomcat server on a unbuntu machine?
<jayr168> how do I tell ubuntu to detect my Epson Usb printer
<anto9us> dman, I've set ubuntu up on a scsi raid before, maybe the kernel doesn't recognise your host card, it needs a boot option perhaps
<dman> anto9us dmesg shows it IS loading my host card
<anto9us> dman, have you set up a container with your hosts bios?
<dman> there is one 'logical' disk created
<dman> with my scsi card
<soundray> !ff2.0
<ubotu> soundray: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
<soundray> Just kidding, ubotu.
<anto9us> dman, did you set it to check the container, did it complete it?
<avi_> P2P
<avi_> any one use DC++?
<avi_> P2P
<westymatt> anyone use ubuntu PPC?
<dman> anto9us what do you mean
<patrick522> why cant i play video files in ubuntu
<root_> how do I make apt-get connect to many parallel servers ?
<anto9us> dman, well, maybe your host card doesn't have this feature but it may need to verify the logical drive you've created, it may have a status field to indicate it
<dman> yeah
<dman> the logical drive is fine
<dman> hell the gentoo install can see it, as i tested before
<dman> but i need to use ubuntu in this situation
<kasslern> where can i find a ubuntu image file for co-linux?
<dman> at this point it seems theres nothing i can do
<kimo> how do I make apt-get connect to many parallel servers ?
<Celeste> hi
<yodax> Hi, i have a problem. My network speed is maxed at 300kb. I tried differnt NIC's already. I read on the net that it might by kernel 2.6 related. Anyone have any idea's?
<Celeste> Can I get KDE work on UBUNTU as good as it does on Kubuntu?
<kasslern> Celeste yes
<jonathan`> This isn't an ubuntu question perse, but it could partially relate to linux, and I can't seem to get into the general linux channel for some reason -- we're setting up a megaraid dell server at work and we're installing apache, php, mysql, and oracle on it, and I'm just curious what the best linux OS to use for that type of thing might be -- i know php apache and mysql are really easy to setup, but oracle can be kind of a pain I'd assume, so I
<kasslern> just install it
<anto9us> dman maybe this will help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raid?
<Polak> czesc polsko
<kasslern> jonathan` try rhel if you want a server
<yggdrasil> !restricted
<ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
<yggdrasil> domo origato mr ubotu
<kimo> I read I shouldn't use automatix, how can I get all the 'extras' easily ?
<markitoxs> hello
<markitoxs> i got a problem, user root can't run X programs
<markitoxs> or even a normal user with sudo
<kimo> markitoxs: open a new terminal & type: xhost +localhost
<Rubin> eww dont do that
<markitoxs> it?
<markitoxs> should i or not?
<Rubin> no... theres a better way
<kasslern> could someone with a working backports, non-free and base dapper repositorys send it to me?
<markitoxs> the point is that i can't even open gnome with root
<idefix__> yihaaaa!! my PC is 6x faster than first!! YEAH BABY!!
<markitoxs> it stacks
<Rubin> markitoxs: copy /home/youraccount/.Xauthority to /root
<markitoxs> ummm
<Rubin> kimo: that command you said gives every account on the box access to sniff your passwords
<solid_liq> what's better, postfix or exim4?
<Rubin> solid_liq: its objective
<Rubin> or i mean, subjective :)
<kimo> markitoxs: xhost is ok, if you're not on a network (i.e. home user)
<kasslern> could someone post me a copy of their sources.list ?
<kimo> kasslern: I want it too :)
<solid_liq> for a home mail server, what would you guys recommend?
<markitoxs> i did what rubins said
<markitoxs> and it works
<jbroome> courier-imap and postfix
<solid_liq> jbroome: any particular reason for that choice?
<markitoxs> rubins why did that file could have changed?
<iGadget> Does anyone know if there are known problems with certain types of dvd-rom players or chipsets in combination with dapper flight5?
<solid_liq> I tried setting up Hula, but it seems too flaky
<Rubin> markitoxs: it didnt change. that file contains a magic 'cookie' that x knows, so x can tell when programs connect to it that they are authorized
<markitoxs> thx anyway kimo ,
<Rubin> markitoxs: all the x apps just look in the $HOME for it, and since root has a different home, it didnt see it
* iGadget keeps getting errors during install :(
<markitoxs> but
<markitoxs> i always have been able to do a sudo gedit
<Dunix> bonjour j'ai un probleme concernant mon disque dur
<markitoxs> and since 2 days.. no way
<Rubin> i'm not sure what changed markitoxs
<Dunix> sorry
<IcemanV9> iGadget: go over to #ubuntu+1 (dapper support)
<Rubin> maybe theres another way it used to work, but thats always how i fix that
<iGadget> IcemanV9: ok, thanks
<markitoxs> oh
<markitoxs> thx anyway Rubin
<markitoxs> i thought it was because i installed Automatix
<johannesen> hi, I need sablecc-3.x for dapper, but I can see there is only 2.x in the list... is there some other repositories I could use to get it?
<gamma> does rhythmbox ipod support actually work?
<gamma> i can read the ipod, but it doesn't seem possible to add or delete anything
<IcemanV9> johannesen: unforunately, no. there are no 3.x in repos.
<johannesen> IcemanV9: ok, why is that so? there is a stable version at www.sablecc.org - do some debian sites have it, perhaps? ... I guess I just download the jar and manage from there
<IcemanV9> johannesen: i don't know. maybe after the dapper release? sorry, not much help. :(
<johannesen> IcemanV9: thanks anyway ;)
<tonyyarusso> My trash applet seems to be confused (Gnome).  It shows it as being full, mouseover claims 2 items, but there's nothing in it, and I've emptied it multiple times.  What's up?
<plbgnr> hello, does anyone here have experiences with installing request tracker on apache2? ...I have problems with mod_perl2 (package  libapache2-mod-perl2 )  ..apache is immediately after start shutted down and in log is this "Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC..." ..I found out that paths in @INC are for older mod_perl ...his newer version does install Apache2.pm elsewhere ...can anyone help with this?
<idefix__> which programming languages work under windows, which under linux and which under both?
<kasslern> how do i use the force loop-breat option in apt-get?
<tonyyarusso> plbgnr: You might be able to work around it with a symlink.
<kasslern> ideasrex java works on almost anything, even microwaves
<anstei> idefix__, as long as there is a compiler/parser, it works :)
<th0rndike> ;p;
<kasslern> ideasrex also c and objective c works on most oses
<anstei> kasslern, be careful with auto-completion :)
<th0rndike> the difference is that u can use the code and compile it in win or in linux
<th0rndike> instead the .class that java generates works everywhere
<MatDemon> oi
<gU1g4> ae
<gU1g4> blz??
<kasslern> http://lists.debian.org/deity/2000/04/msg00014.html i have the same problem as this!
<MatDemon> naum
<al5a> cu
<gU1g4> aff
<gU1g4> oia o do grabriel
<gU1g4> ] hitmon timo go to fender
<al5a> oia o q?
<MatDemon> canal
<MatDemon> aff
<MatDemon> que nubs
<gU1g4> ei q tah fala ae
<MatDemon> ow
<plbgnr> ok I'll try ...
<MatDemon> alguem joga thecrims
<plbgnr> tonyyarusso:ok I'll try ...
<MatDemon> hello
<gU1g4> qm aki eh brasileiro
<gU1g4> Hi
<al5a> hello
<soundray> !br
<ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
<netpython> hello there
<MatDemon> wattttth youyoyu namememem?
<gU1g4> ho hears from brazil???
<soundray> !br
<al5a> you are a son of a bhit
<kimo> I enabled all sources & cant find 'flash' player ??
<gU1g4> hello
<MatDemon> mother fuck
<gU1g4> how are you??
<gU1g4> canal
<netpython> awsome
<al5b> i am fine
<al5a> fuck they're
<tonyyarusso> !offtopic
<ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
<gU1g4> rsrsrs
<kimo> !flasg
<ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, kimo
<kimo> !flash
<ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
<MatDemon> sou seu pai
<MatDemon> filho
<al5a> sun of the bith
<redguy> !ops
<ubotu> Help! lilo, fabbione, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob or Hobbsee
<Stormx2> heya everyone!
<netpython> howdy
<gU1g4> #@&*!
* mode/#ubuntu [+o Amaranth]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu [+o ompaul]  by ChanServ
<al5a> fock-you
<gU1g4> fuck you
<al5a> seu porra
<tonyyarusso> !language
<ubotu> well, language is please watch your language; we try to be nice and help, but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
* mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@200.168.78.*]  by ompaul
* al5a was kicked off #ubuntu by ompaul (ompaul)
<netpython> coino
<Amaranth_> ack, opped the wrong one
<administrator> can someone help me?
* gU1g4 was kicked off #ubuntu by ompaul (ompaul)
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* mode/#ubuntu [-o Amaranth]  by Amaranth_
* mode/#ubuntu [-o Amaranth_]  by Amaranth_
<redguy> !tell administrator about ask
<administrator> i have installed steam with wine but i don't know how to start that program
<Amaranth_> you shouldn't use the windows administrator account
<kmilo> kimo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/flashplayer-mozilla
<ompaul> Amaranth_, no worries
<administrator> why?
* mode/#ubuntu [-o ompaul]  by ChanServ
<tonyyarusso> administrator: 'wine path-to-the-exe'
<redguy> thanks ompaul
<Stormx2> administrator: Check where it is installed, there will be a path like "~/.wine/dosdevices/c/Program Files/etc", then you run "wine c:/Program Files/etc"
<tonyyarusso> administrator: Security nightmare.
<ompaul> np
<administrator> ok
<Stormx2> Stormx2: Or just run off a path
<idefix__> what's API?
<caitlin> cheers for you help guys
<[LS] Czav> when creating a partition to install ubuntu on, what filesystem should I use?
<redguy> AFAIR it is Application Programming Interface. Look in wikipedia
<kimo> kmilo: thnx :)
<administrator> when i put to console 'wine iTunesSetup.exe this says module not ofund so what to do??
<redguy> idefix__: ^^
<administrator> found*
<georgy> redguys : ext3 or reiserfs
<administrator> wine steam.ink
<beerockxs> how can I give eclipse more memory?
<redguy> georgy: huh?
<redguy> !tell georgy about nicktab
<patrick522> why cant i play .wmv videos
<tonyyarusso> redguy: georgy meant that for [LS] Czav
<administrator> how to use search
<tonyyarusso> [LS] Czav: ext3 or reiserfs
<idefix__> too bad Jason isn't there... why isn't it possible yet to leave messages with X-Chat ?
<tonyyarusso> idefix__: How is it now possible?
<defiant> Alguien espaol?
<denis_> no  franais
<tonyyarusso> *not even
<tonyyarusso> !es
<ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
<disk0dav3> Hello - anyone know if Breezy supports 3Ware 9550SX? I'm getting "no disk drives found" even after I choose the 3w-9xxx driver.
<defiant> ok
<defiant> ciao
<redguy> idefix__: it is possible to leave messages with memoserv if you are a registered with freenode
<patrick522> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME I CANT PLAY .WMV files
<tristanmike> !caps
<ubotu> methinks caps is FYI, typing in ALL CAPS is considered to be 'yelling', and therefore rude behaviour.
<redguy> tonyyarusso: is it something funny going on with my screen or did georgy make an odd typo?
<patrick522> sorry
<venox> patrick522, there's a good wiki page about it ;)
<tristanmike> !tell patrick522 about restricted
<redguy> !tell patrick522 about restricted
<venox> can anybody read me?!
<redguy> venox: yes
<bet0x> how i can record my desktop?
<redguy> bet0x: explain "record"
<georgy> redguy : Wrong name on question
<bet0x> i want a movie of my desktop
<bet0x> a video
<tonyyarusso> redguy: Yeah, wrong name, and bad nick complete, combined.
<kmilo> bet0x, vnc2swf
<tristanmike> bet0x, CamStudio maybe  http://sourceforge.net/projects/camstudio/
<Howitzer> hintswen, i use the option ls -shU  lot, and i wondered if i could make it a 'command' like ls itself,
<neurosis> ubuntu doesnt come with a c compiler installed?? which is reccomended?
<Howitzer> like typin lsk i get 'ls -shU
<Howitzer> neuro_, build-essential
<bet0x> kmilo, im on the desktop, i want take a movie, not a screenshot, you got the idea?
<bet0x> i dont have webcam
<redguy> bet0x: try using google
<tonyyarusso> bet0x: Movie of the desktop?  Istanbul.
<administrator> CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL SATA DRIVER
<tristanmike> bet0x, camstudio doesn't use a webcame, please read the link first
* disk0dav3 reads http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84217 and fears he's bought the wrong hardware
<venox> Howdy125, you can create a simple shellscript for it. like: echo "#!/bin/sh\nls -shU $*" > /usr/bin/lsk ; chmod a+x /usr/bin/lsk
<tonyyarusso> bet0x: Or vnc2swf, or vncrec, and there are a few others.
<tristanmike> bet0x, "CamStudio records activity from your screen and audio from a microphone into AVI video files and can also convert the AVIs into Streaming Flash videos (SWFs) using its built-in SWF Producer."
<kmilo> tristanmike, Operating System: 32-bit MS Windows (NT/2000/XP)
<administrator> how to install sata driver
<kmilo> bet0x, http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/gnomine2.html
<redguy> administrator: which chipset do you have?
<tristanmike> kmilo, hmmmm....has google.com/linux led me astray ?
<administrator> 7
<patrick522> still cant get wmv files to work wat the command
<redguy> administrator: can you be more descriptive?
<idefix__> redguy, how do I register?
<mario> hi
<bet0x> that come with ubuntu?
<administrator> i have that driver cd in my drive so how to start that cd
<mario> eres  mas  tonto  hi
<kmilo> tristanmike, al least is free sofwtare
<redguy> idefix__: /msg nickserv help will tell you everything
<_sHaDe> ciao
<tristanmike> kmilo, today is a sad day :(
<administrator> do somebody know how to start driver cd
<redguy> administrator: does that cd contain drivers for linux?
<administrator> they are .exe
<redguy> administrator: they are not for linux then
<kachi> hi
<administrator> so can i find linux drivers from internet
<redguy> administrator: which chipset do you have?
<administrator> how can i see that
<__^GoUsT^__> hi tehere
<__^GoUsT^__> there
<LinuxJones> Can anybody recommend a IDE for Python that has code completion ?
<dv_> what about eric3?
<redguy> administrator: check your motherboard manual
<__^GoUsT^__> can anyone tell me where to download the source code for ubuntu
<__^GoUsT^__> ???
<administrator> give me and example wahat could it be so then i may know that
<administrator> what*
<administrator> visraid.sys
<dv_> LinuxJones, http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html
<administrator> can you tell me an example
<neurosis> is there a command to get info on a package before installing it?
<__^GoUsT^__> can anyone tell me where to download the source code for ubuntu
<redguy> administrator: nforce n3 is an example
<LinuxJones> dv_: checking it out now thanks
<jvillodr> hola
<jvillodr> hhugijhg
<administrator> my motherboard is abit kv8
<jvillodr> interesante
<jvillodr> interesante
<jvillodr> interesante
<jvillodr> interesante
<jvillodr> interesante
<jvillodr> interesante
<jvillodr> interesante
<bet0x> People, Say Hello, im recording a Video :P
<jvillodr> interesante
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<jvillodr> interesante
<jvillodr> interesante
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* jvillodr was kicked off #ubuntu by ompaul (ompaul)
<bet0x> omg, stupid, stop the flood
* disk0dav3 reads http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84217 and thinks he's bought the wrong hardware
<topyli> __^GoUsT^__: archive.ubuntu.com. btw, your nick sucks, it's not fun to type
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<administrator> socket 754
<redguy> administrator: wait a sec
<__^GoUsT^__> ok
<tristanmike> bet0x, what program did you end up using ?
<ILIJA> now
<bet0x> vnc2swf
<ILIJA> ots ok
<topyli> thanks
<ILIJA> thats my nam
<bet0x> that use a vncserver
<bet0x> nice stuff
<ompaul> !enter
<ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
<topyli> ILIJA: if you mean redhat-style source cd-roms, i don't think there are any
<ompaul> lower case is cooler, but what would I know
<jonathan`> bet0x, that records whatever's on screen and puts it into an swf or something?
<bet0x> yes jonathan`
<kmilo> bet0x, HELLO
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<patrick522> i need help please can some one tell how to get .wmv to work on ubuntu
<patrick522> type the code if pos
<redguy> administrator: kv8-max3, kv8-pro ?
<tristanmike> !tell patrick522 about restricted
<tristanmike> patrick522, read your pm
<georgy> patrick : install w32codecs
<redguy> patrick522: read the wiki link ubotu pm'ed you
<administrator> w8
<patrick522> cheers all
<administrator> just kv8
<ILIJA> topyli where can i find some others
<bet0x> :D
<dman> can i install ubuntu from another live-cd
<topyli> ILIJA: sources for other distros?
<ILIJA> yes
<topyli> ILIJA: debian sources are the most available, and they have pretty much every piece of free software there is
<ILIJA> ok thx anyway
<wwallace_lap> is this the distroa millionare patronizes?
<wwallace_lap> how good is it?
<tonyyarusso> Amazing.
<ompaul> wwallace_lap, priceless
<topyli> wwallace_lap: it's ok :)
<ILIJA> there are some editors where can i find it
<wwallace_lap> how ok?
<ompaul> wwallace_lap, try it you'll like it
<topyli> ILIJA: editors? there are dozens of them. vim and emacs are the biggies
<redguy> administrator: are you sure that you have sata disabled?
<ILIJA> where can i find him
<tonyyarusso> wwallace_lap: Well, it's got the top of distrowatch, so there must be something good about it.
<administrator> if i connect my sata hd to computer this linux won't start
<topyli> ILIJA: him? i thought you were talking about text editors :)
<ompaul> wwallace_lap, you bothered to ask what can I tell ya :)
<ILIJA> yes my english is not werry well
<ILIJA> im from macedonia sorry
<topyli> ILIJA: don't be sorry, i'm sure it's a great country
<wwallace_lap> tonyyarusso: i asked the same qu in another channel how ubuntu is first ? they say cause hes go a millionare behind it pumping money to it
<ILIJA> yes
<ILIJA> its great
<topyli> ILIJA: bad english is the official language here :)
<redguy> administrator: sorry I can't help you with it. Maybe somebody else in here can
<ILIJA> lol
<administrator> ok
<ILIJA> so where can i download that text editor
<lasindi> I messed with the fonts on my machine (installed Microsoft TrueType fonts) and now Emacs looks completely crazy: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8193/emacsshot4hn.png If I switch to the "standard 16-dot medium" font, it works again. However, this font is rather ugly, and I really would like the default font back (which it now claims isn't there anymore). What might I have done wrong, and what could I do to fix it?
<redguy> !tell ILIJA about synaptic
<redguy> !tell ILIJA about repos
<redguy> ILIJA: read the wiki articles ubotu sent you
<ompaul> wwallace_lap, why not go to the site see the screen shots get a live CD and try it and then get the install CD and use it
<topyli> ILIJA: emacs from gnu.org. it's best to use the software your linux distro will provide
<ILIJA> ok thx
<topyli> ILIJA: perhaps you were not talking about source code after all, but just want to get the linux system?
<tonyyarusso> wwallace_lap: Well, besides just the money, there's a very strong community base and lots of great developers, testers, and support working together, and I think that comes out more important than the money.  Try a Live CD and see what you think for yourself.  I came from Windows XP to Hoary (then Breezy, soon Dapper), and I love it.
<ILIJA> im new i dont know so much
<topyli> ILIJA: you want to put linux on your computer?
<ILIJA> yes i want to put it and to translate the code to my langage
<ILIJA> to try
<ILIJA> to translate
<cA1mAn> hello, what filesystem would you recommend for normal desktop use? XFS, ext3 or reiserFS?
<topyli> ILIJA: great!
<wwallace_lap> ok bye guys
<wwallace_lap> enjoy your distro
<ILIJA> so can any one help me
<ILIJA> and teach woh
<ILIJA> how
<wwallace_lap> bye
<topyli> ILIJA: yes the ubuntu hackers will be happy to help
<ILIJA> wow
<ILIJA> thx
<ILIJA> so where can i start
<topyli> ILIJA: ask on #ubuntu-motu
<ILIJA> ok
<ILIJA> noone live there
<edward_> hey, how to update from 5.04 > 5.10? where can i find the commands..?
<topyli> ILIJA: oh. damn slackers :)
<K-Zodron> Hello, anyone knows if there's is a good free IDE (incl. compiler) for linux that is easy to use? [c++] 
<kfirb> how do I verify MD5 file integrity using cfv
<redguy> !tell edward_ about upgrade
<kfirb> ?
<edward_> redguy,  thx
<redguy> edward_: np
<jmp_me> macedonian ohhheh
<patrix> K-Zodron, kdevelop and a million others... the compiler is seperate from the IDE btw, it's called gcc (gnu compiler collection)
<cA1mAn> hello, what filesystem would you recommend for normal desktop use? XFS, ext3 or reiserFS?
<jmp_me> g++
<bsdfox> reiserfs
<sfar-ubu> how to search for package (with apt-get?) in terminal
<bsdfox> xfs is good too
<jmp_me> apt-cache search
<K-Zodron> ye but like in the IDE you can easily hit "compile" or similar instead of using 10 commands? ;p
<redguy> sfar-ubu: apt-cahce search
<sfar-ubu> thx
<georgy> sfar-ubu : apt-cache search package
<redguy> sfar-ubu: what jmp_me said...
<patrix> K-Zodron, kdevelop and about a million others
<patrix> I only know kdevelop
<patrix> monodevelop
<patrix> etc
<K-Zodron> Well I'll check kdevelop then ;p
<K-Zodron> thanks
<ILIJA> so no one can tell me how to start
<ILIJA> to translate the code
<redguy> bsdfox: ISTR that xfs keeps a lot of stuff in cache, so without a decent ups xfs is not recommended
<tombs> hi all
<topyli> ILIJA: i'm trying to find a good mailing list you could write
<ILIJA> ok
<ILIJA> i will be here
<Psih0MAN> hello! i'm using ubuntu and i bought a matlab licence. the instalaltion went well, but i get some errors when i try to start it (about permission denied to libc.so.6 and missing gcc-3.3). can someone help me please!
<topyli> ILIJA: join #ubuntu-offtopic, it's this busy
<kingspaw1> Psih0MAN: have you done sudo apt-get install build-essential?
<topyli> ILIJA: uhh... it's not this busy :)
<Psih0MAN> kingspaw1: what is build-essential?
<etnoy> Psih0MAN: please post your exact error message
<etnoy> Psih0MAN: you can install gcc-3.3 via synaptic
<redguy> topyli: indeed for some time I noticed that again #debian has more users than this #gentoo... not to speak about #gentoo... 1000 ppl there!
<Psih0MAN> etony.. i vnc to that computer... i cannot copy and paste
<neurosis> dumb question, im compiling an eggdrop and it cant find tcl libs. i think tcl is installed but its looking for libtcl.so. i can only find libtcl8.4.so.0. do i just point configure to that file or am i missing something??
<Mischevious> how do i set it so i onyl have to enter my pass once per session when using sudo????????/
<bet0x> well
<bet0x> these vn2 thing
<bet0x> its a sheT :P
<etnoy> Psih0MAN: okay
<etnoy> install build-essential
<etnoy> it contains most of the stuff you need to compile programs
<Psih0MAN> etony: Matlab is a binary-only package. it is propretary code
<sfar-ubu> can someone please help me with this error msg i get when im trying to ./configure deskbar 2.14: http://pastebin.com/616407
<Ivaldi> how do I reinitialize my soundcard?
<Psih0MAN> etnoy: Matlab is a binary-only package. it is propretary code
<th0rndike> whats the equivalent to matlab in free source?
<jbroome> bc
<gibbster> is there any chance at all that my iso has the right md5sum, but files within it are corrupted?
<otvenkettes> hi
<mathieu> it's possible, but unlikely
<mathieu> unless the original files were corrupted
<gibbster> I keep on getting corrupted deb error installing ubuntu, but the iso md5sum is ok
<gibbster> I tried burning the disk twice
<otvenkettes> how can i empty the buffer of a device? (modem sends some data on ttyUSB0, and i want to drop it)
<gibbster> same thing both times
<Random_Transit> hey, is there anything similar to ndiswrapper for something other than wireless drivers?
<otvenkettes> any idea?
<Psih0MAN> etnoy: matlab/bin/util/oscheck.sh: line 134: /lib/libc.so.6: Permission denied
<Random_Transit> 'cos I have a scanner that isn't supported in linux, and i thought that if i emulated the driver somehow, i could get it working
<gibbster> and it's driving me up the wall...
<redguy> Psih0MAN: hmm why not ask Matlab people then?
<redguy> Random_Transit: I doubt it
<Psih0MAN> redguy: because it's about the system it's running on
<jbritz22> hey all
<jbritz22> im getting this error
<jbritz22> GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
<redguy> Psih0MAN: but they might give a clue what this error refers to
<Mischevious> can anyone tell me why rhythmbox won't play any files.. but xmms will
<johnshaft> Hi all
<kfirb> gibster: how do yo check the md5 sum?
<redguy> Psih0MAN: come on, did you even try to google?
<redguy> Psih0MAN: http://www.google.com/search?q=matlab/bin/util/oscheck.sh%3A+line+134%3A+/lib/libc.so.6%3A+Permission+denied&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
<redguy> Psih0MAN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MATLAB
<|RiK|> I have trouble to connect with firefox and gaim, not Xchat
<espresso> help! I broke my web server
<johnshaft> I'm having trouble getting my laptop to suspend when the lid is closed. Nothing happens unless I do a manual suspend ( through gnome ) first. Then suspend will work whenever I close the lid. Any ideas?
<graveson> i am receiving an error when using audacity "there was an error initializing the audio i/o layer"
<Psih0MAN> redguy: thank you!
<redguy> Psih0MAN: please use google before asking next time
<sfar-ubu> *asking again* can someone please help me with this error msg i get when im trying to ./configure deskbar 2.14: http://pastebin.com/616407
<sfar-ubu> i have the latest build-essentials and gtk+2
<graveson> using k3b i am trying to copy a dvd and i am receiving the error that the dvd is encrypted.how can i copy this dvd ?
<jbritz22> how do I add the debian repo to my sources list?
<redguy> jbritz22: you dont
<kmilo> jbritz22, why?
<jbritz22> on this one forum
<jbritz22> they say to add
<jbritz22> deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free restricted to the sources
<jbritz22> except it doesnt work
<Mischevious> hmm it seems esd crashed
<redguy> jbritz22: which forum?
<kmilo> jbritz22, why you need debian rep?
<jbritz22> to install apt-get install sun-j2se5.0-jre-binary
<redguy> !javadebs
<redguy> !javadebs
<idefix__> where is the directory in which I can add directory's when I use "save as"?
<Gnumannen> !synaptic
<ubotu> I heard synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
<dv_> hm it seems that xorg 7.1 wont make it into dapper
<redguy> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy.  UNOFFICIAL debs of more recent JRE's can be found in Seveas's repositories.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
<bet0x> gnome-theme-manager crash with XGL
<bet0x> when i change of theme
<dv_> so one has to set it up manually
<tabber> anyone using an ati radeon xpress 200M?
<redguy> !tell jbritz22 about java
<dv_> does that mean that the nvidia driver has to be installed manually too?
<tabber> ?
<espresso> I accidentally deleted a couple files that I need to run my apache server... does anyone have a close-to-new apache setup?
<diogo> Greetings! I've just installed a fresh 'server' install and now I'm looking for a lightweight X environment. I was thinking about xubuntu-desktop but I guess installing only 'xfce4' will do. Does it install a login manager as well?
<jbritz22> redguy I have the latest version of java installed, but I get this error when trying to run azureus, http://pastebin.com/616453
<espresso> diogo, what do you plan to do with it?
<s_spiff{AWAY}> which is the latest version of java?
<s_spiff{AWAY}>  1.4 right?
<dman> 1.5
<espresso> if it's a server install, are you intending on using it as a server?
<redguy> jbritz22: update-alternatives --config java
<halibut> Is there any way I can limit the upload bandwidth of a certain application?
<highvoltage> s_spiff{AWAY}: depends which java :)
<redguy> jbritz22: and select the sun version
<tabber> anyone using an ati radeon xpress 200M?
<Enthusiast78> espresso I just need X to run Gaim (if I don't figure out how to use CenterICQ with SOCKS) and maybe firefox...
<s_spiff{AWAY}> highvoltage, umm?
<s_spiff{AWAY}> highvoltage, how many 'java's are there?
<Enthusiast78> espresso I'd like to keep on the console and only do 'startx' when really needed...
<Mischevious> amarok is the shit.
<jbritz22> redguy, I get the same error
<espresso> oh...
<espresso> you might try evilwm
<s_spiff{AWAY}> Mischevious, i found amarok quite good compared wo all other players...
<Enthusiast78> espresso : evilwm?
<espresso> no icons, no menus, no nothing
<Mischevious> s_spiff{AWAY}, yea i like it alot.
<jbritz22> redguy, it doesnt switch
<Enthusiast78> espresso : Hmmm... Sounds cool...
<espresso> Enthusiast78: I don't know much about it, but someone showed it to me once
<redguy> jbritz22: try sudo update-alternatives --config java
<espresso> it's a windowing system, but all you see is the desktop
<SiriusA> hi there, i got xgl running under KDE... all work fine but my taskbar doesnt show me any open windows... any suggestions why? (gnome-decorator)
<espresso> to do anything, you right-click on the desktop and go through the menus... or you assign hotkeys
<Enthusiast78> espresso : Then you launch things from the console into it?
<espresso> yep
<Enthusiast78> espresso : Hmmm...
<jbritz22> redguy, the plus is still staying beside the 3
<st3v3dnd> hey all, is there any way to prevent certain users from being able to reboot the machine?
<espresso> Enthusiast78: I term into my ubuntu server through my suse desktop
<Enthusiast78> espresso : Do you believe it's the lightest wm there is?
<s_spiff{AWAY}> guys is there a way to set a ip add [ multiple ip add's]  using windows in wine [ linux ]  ?
<espresso> Enthusiast78: I really don't know
<redguy> jbritz22: hmm did you follow the azureus howto on ubuntu wiki?
<jbritz22> !azureus
<espresso> I'm firmly attached to KDE, so I haven't personally explored much else
<ubotu> I guess azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
<espresso> although gnome seemed to run really light
<stewski> whats the recommended tv application for ubuntu
<kmilo> jbritz22, http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/warty/misc/blackdown-j2sdk1.4debian
<s_spiff{AWAY}> jbritz22, i suggest u go to the forums and check out the how to..its much better
<espresso> Enthusiast78: sorry I couldn't be of much more help
<Howitzer> When i try *alias ls='ls -Uhs'*, it doesn't work :/
<Enthusiast78> espresso : Thanks anyway. I used to be firmly attached to KDE as well, but I'm getting back to my console roots now... :)
<espresso> I would suggest that if you are truly running a server, that you don't install a windowing system on it at all... get a second PC for that
<redguy> stewski: hmm, none recommended, since tv is bad for you. But you can try tvtime
<redguy> Howitzer: where did you put it?
<Howitzer> eh
<redguy> Howitzer: the alias I mean
<Howitzer> home dir
<Howitzer> ehh
<Howitzer> nowhere
<redguy> Howitzer: ?
<Howitzer> just typed it into the term
<Howitzer> at home directory
<stewski> tvtimes giving me probs on dapper
<stewski> green screen
<redguy> !dapper
<Howitzer> hmm
<ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
<Howitzer> now it does work untill i close the terminal
<redguy> Howitzer: hmm it should work then
<jbritz22> ok i followed the wiki
<kingspaw1> Howitzer: put it in your .bashrc file in the home dir
<Howitzer> oooh
<Howitzer> bashrc
<jbritz22> stil get Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3139 in java.library.path
<rainbowjoshua> Anyone here gotten Ubuntu installed on a SATA drive?
<Howitzer> thought bash_profile
<redguy> .bash_profile
<kingspaw1> Howitzer: that should work too
<react-> rainbowjoshua: yes
<jbritz22> java version "1.5.0_06"
<jbritz22> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05)
<jbritz22> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_06-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
<jbritz22> im all updated and everything
<rainbowjoshua> react-: I'm having a hard time with it.  I was trying to get it to join my IDE (which has a rather defuct failed Dapper on it, but important data), and now I've got that drive disconnected, just trying to get Breezy into the SATA alone.
<rainbowjoshua> No matter how I install, the install finishes, and I get NON SYSTEM DISK ERROR.
<redguy> jbritz22: did you really follow it? so you do have libswt-gtk-3.1-java installed, right?
<stewski> anyone know what the gstreamer config tool is called
<Howitzer> ffs
<jbritz22> how can I remove java and reinstall it?
<Howitzer> it still doesn't work
<Howitzer> ls still is the same
<TylerWalts> y
<redguy> jbritz22: do have libswt-gtk-3.1-java installed?
<jbritz22> redguy, how do I check
<yohan> i just updated my kernel and i tried installing the new alsa drivers cause my sound doesnt work...when i try to install with checkinstall i get this error: rc4_1.0.11rc4-1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.14-ck1/kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401/snd-mp
<yohan> u401.ko', which is also in package kernel-image-2.6.14-ck1
<yohan> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
<yohan> Errors were encountered while processing: /home/yohan/temp/alsa-driver-1.0.11rc4/alsa-driver-1.0.11rc4_1.0.11rc4-1_i386.d
<TylerWalts> apt-get remove java?
<yohan> eb
<yohan> what should i do?
<digitalhav0c> yay i got ubuntu installed inside vmware YAY!!!
<digits> non ubuntu related: can somebody tell me what "diminutive form" mean in as simple words as possible? ;)
<yohan> can i force it somehow, or is that a bad idea?
<yohan> please someone :/
<redguy> jbritz22: sudo apt-get install libcommons-cli-java liblog4j1.2-java libseda-java libswt-gtk-3.1-java
<digits> i'm not english
<redguy> jbritz22: though you have it all. you followed the howto, right?
<react-> rainbowjoshua: are you sure you have your bios set to boot off the correct HD?
<jbritz22> redguy, yessir, i removed everything now im reinstalling we will see if that fixes it
<oskari> #ubuntu-fi
<vax_> hello
<jbritz22> redguy, stillgetting the error
<jbritz22> redguy, and everythings installed
<rainbowjoshua> react-: Well, the BIOS has very few options for the SATA.  It just assigns the SATA to the IDE interface, it seems.  The only other options are to disable it or to assign it to RAID.
<Dark_pahnt0m> I need 2 re-downlaod cedega.. How do I get the trial too work??  I have installed it & get errors & it wont run
<TheFuzzball> hello all
<Enthusiast78> espresso : Hmmm... I think evilwm needs X to run (but it's not on it's package dependencies...)
<kane77> hi... can you help me... how do I make my network device start (activate) at startup??? it used to start but then I edited some config file (don't know which) and now it doesn't and I have to start it manually from networking menu...
<Enthusiast78> espresso : I was like 'yuppie' when aptitude told me it required less than 1Mb to install it.
<graveson> how do i install oss emulation
<react-> rainbowjoshua: there should be a option in your bios to set the boot option, ie 1st floppy 2nd cdrom 3rd some-harddisk,
<ron_> help plz, i am currently in fail safe mode. i formated another partition on my hard drive and told it to use the home directory... now nothing will work :/
<sfar-ubu> what does it mean when a package is broken?
<kmilo> Bye
<react-> rainbowjoshua: make sure you have the SATA disk before any other harddrives
<rainbowjoshua> react-: There is, but SATA isn't in there, only IDE hard drive, CDROM, floppy, etc.
<Dark_pahnt0m> I need help with cedega.. I will NOT install
<react-> rainbowjoshua: what motherboard do you have?
<rainbowjoshua> react-: ATI RS480M2  You just gave me the idea, and I'm checking for BIOS updates.
<TheFuzzball> does anybody use a programme called Kxdocker?
<patrick522> is wine any good
<klement> Hi, I just installed ubuntu, but when I run synaptic, update manager or anything that requires root, nothing happens
<Dark_pahnt0m> CEDEGA!! I cannot install gives me errors twards end of install
<Enthusiast78> patrick522 : Only if you need Window$ API...
<redguy> jbritz22: well, somebody else has to help you then. Though I'm sure that a lot of people who followed the howto did not have any trouble
<klement> also, in console, sudo <anything> does not do anything
<patrick522> wat about running games on wine is it good
<Dark_pahnt0m> no
<TheFuzzball> use cedega
<trappist> the ones that work, work
<Dark_pahnt0m> cedega is good if you can GET HELP too insall it
<patrick522> is cedga like wine
<Dark_pahnt0m> better If You can GET HELP!
<klement> does anyone know how to solve this sudo problem?
<redguy> women are said to be like wine
<patrick522> lol
<matthes> i just started using ubuntu linux and am fairly new to linux and i need to know a good virtual desktop program so i can run my windows programs.
<patrick522> where can i get cedega
<Dark_pahnt0m> yes women dotn age well liek wine though, they become sour & evil
<Dark_pahnt0m> CEDEGA!
<nova> oi
<redguy> Dark_pahnt0m: well wine does get sour given enough time... :-)
<Dark_pahnt0m> I am trying too install cedega & get erros HOW do I install??
<kane77> hi... can you help me... how do I make my network device start (activate) at startup??? it used to start but then I edited some config file (don't know which) and now it doesn't and I have to start it manually from networking menu... How can I get it back?????
<patrick522> where can i get cedega
<ferris_> google it
<Dark_pahnt0m> www.cedega.com
<matthes> google
<GTX> all cedega is, is wine
<matthes> or that
<GTX> waste of money
<matthes> lol
<mathieu> cedega is more than wine
<GTX> not realy
<mathieu> yes really
<Dark_pahnt0m> OMFG ASKING FOR HELP!!  I cannot get cedega too install
<GTX> how is it?
<Dark_pahnt0m> you talk about it but ignore me WTF
<Profichilla> !patience
<ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Please be aware there are a lot of questions, but only maybe few who might know the answer for you. Please be patient. Your attitude may determine their willingness to help you.
<Dark_pahnt0m> There are no questions PPL dickin around
<Dark_pahnt0m> I dont like being ignored
<mathieu> GTX: some proprietary copy protections, more directx support, ...
<Dark_pahnt0m> 4 ppl tralking about cedega & I ask quesytion & I get ignored
<mathieu> Dark_pahnt0m: did it occur to you that maybe nobody can help you?
<ferris_> I have googled for a desktop environment for children, no results, is there a desktop environment for children?
<patrix> mathieu, no, we've been put on this earth to serve him immediately when he asks questions ;)
<ferris_> like little kids
<Enthusiast78> ferris_ edubuntu-desktop?
<Dark_pahnt0m> Asking again I am having problems INSTALLING CEDEGA! I get an error twards end of install
<ferris_> i have it installed
<Dark_pahnt0m> they did before
<redguy> ferris_: edubuntu
<ferris_> but it is just a gnome desktop
<Dark_pahnt0m> this place where I was told abouyt cedega
<ferris_> thanks
<mathieu> patrix: it seems you're right!
<patrix> hehehe
<Dark_pahnt0m> you can either goto synaptic & install KDE or you can download kubuntu 7 re-install
<patrick522> i dont know anything about cedega
<Dark_pahnt0m> &*
<patrick522> thats why im gona try it out
<mnd> Hum, I was just installin ubuntu (kubuntu actually) and the install fails with "apt-setup-deb failed". Is that critical ?
<Dark_pahnt0m> yeah
<TheFuzzball> download dapper fight 5 cd
<mnd> I've got kubuntu dvd and it says that it was unable to locate any package files
<Dark_pahnt0m> if it installs & runs open terminal & type sudo  apt-get install update
<mathieu> Dark_pahnt0m: you better stop giving bad advice to everyone
<mnd> Dark_pahnt0m: yeah, i presumed that that can be fixed quite easily
<Dark_pahnt0m> Suck my nuts its not bad that deb file is needed & can be repaired
<Dark_pahnt0m> IDIOT
<patrix> wow
<matthes> wtf?
<Dark_pahnt0m> Mat that file will cause errors later on like any missing file (common sense)
<matthes> y cant we all just get along?
<matthes> who me?
<mathieu> no, me
<matthes> o
<matthes> ok
<mathieu> don't worry :)
<TheFuzzball> okay
<mnd> hm, maybe there's something wrong with the disc then. Though it said that the disc is okay.
<Dark_pahnt0m> because  I dont like being ignored.. Simple quesyion HOW do I get cedega too install using ROOT??
<bjornkri> Hey, I'm trying to install Dutch language support, but when I try select the Dutch packages in language selector I get an error: Could not apply changes!
<bjornkri>  Fix broken packages first.
<bjornkri> Which is not very helpful :\
<patrix> Dark_pahnt0m, why don't you go ask on the cedega forums or chats, instead of bothering us with your attitude
<TheFuzzball> sudo cedega_installer.sh
<mathieu> Dark_pahnt0m: the command you suggested won't help much actually
<patrix> I'm sure THEY'll help you if you displa ythe same traits
<matthes> im trying 2 download wine but linux is being a butthole
<Dark_pahnt0m> I am running kde & can click on file, how do I change the terminal command so I can login as root & install, its asking too be installed in /usr/bin
<matthes> *slaps linux*
<Dark_pahnt0m> Why dont you f off idiot /ignored
<Ivaldi> dude, mellow out
<mathieu> matthes: you slap your _kernel_? :)
<Mischevious> just ignore him
<matthes> yes i did
<Ivaldi> :)
<matthes> im bored
<Ivaldi> Does anyone know how to remove the dialog that pops up every time you insert a blank cd/dvd?
<mathieu> matthes: why don't you provoke Dark_pahnt0m, so we have something to watch, then
<Dark_pahnt0m> stupid jerk I am asking a question dont need your "opinion on how & where I should ask
<matthes> lol
<patrix> lol lol lol
<ichdasich> hi guis
<matthes> hi
<mathieu> matthes: i doubt you need to say anything actually
<patrix> indeed
<patrick522> where can i get a free full version of cedega
<patrix> patrick522, compile it yourself :)
<mathieu> patrick522: there's no such thing
<ichdasich> is it possible to use a atheros pcmcia wlan nic with a ubuntu 5 installcd for the installation?
<Dark_pahnt0m> mathie why dont you get your dads winkey out ur butt & not give bad advice too others
<trappist> !ops
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<mathieu> patrix: you can't compile the *full* cedega
<patrix> no?
<patrick522> how i compile it
<Dark_pahnt0m> asking again How do I get cedega too install using root??
<patrix> oh right
<patrix> the dlls required for copy protectio netc
<mathieu> patrix: there's some patented stuff that can't be free in it
<patrix> true
<izmaelis> anybody uses quod libet here?
<bjornkri> Dark_pahnt0m: to run things as root you do 'sudo', Ubuntu doesn't have (an easily accessible) root account.
<csgirl> hello, when i watch dvd, it gets stuck, how can i eject it forcely?
<rainbowjoshua> react-: I think there is a new version of my BIOS.  I hope it's that simple. The error I'm getting now is GRUB Loading stage1.5 and then Error 2
<Dark_pahnt0m> I cant sudo it I am using KDE & I cannot get it too install unless I double click on it
<bjornkri> so sudo <installation-executable> I guess.
<Dark_pahnt0m> In gnome its saew problem
<bjornkri> Can't you do it in terminal?
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<Dark_pahnt0m> NO!
<tristanmike> Dark_pahnt0m, if you're in KDE use "kdesu" instead
<nalioth> trappist: yes?
<mathieu> hilarious :)
<react-> rainbowjoshua: did you change anything to get that new grub error?
<venox> csgirl, you can't. you have to right click the desktop icon for the dvd and eject it.
<Dark_pahnt0m> I cant INSTALL does nothing
<patrix> lol
<_jason> Dark_pahnt0m: open konsole
<Dark_pahnt0m> I cant apt-get does nothing
<venox> ejecting without unmounting is risky.
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<patrix> thanks :D
<yohan> q/server efnet
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<rainbowjoshua> react-: Well, I installed like 5 times last night, with different partition situations.  Most of them didn't get to grub, this one does.
<rainbowjoshua> react-: I know I've got a small /boot partition
<Phinite> I'm just updating from hoary to breezy and need to install bugzilla on the box.  is the apt-get version good, or should I build myself?
<csgirl> venox: yes ,I try to ,but it fails ,the icon disappears, but disk still in it
<bjornkri> !nl
<ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
<mathieu> csgirl: with fuser -m /media/dvd (or whatever the mount point is) you can check which processes are keeping the dvd busy, in case you can't unmount
<bjornkri> hm
<react-> rainbowjoshua: is your /boot just ext3?
<rainbowjoshua> react-: The installer says so.
<mathieu> Phinite: default answer: don't compile from source unless you have good reasons. since you don't have a clue, don't compile from sources
<bjornkri> I'm trying to install Dutch language support, but when I try select the Dutch packages in language selector I get an error: Could not apply changes! Fix broken packages first. Anyone know what I can do?
<VladimirBG> having troubles with gnome's built in cd copy wizard
<mathieu> bjornkri: apt-get -f install   IIRC
<react-> rainbowjoshua: if it's trying to load grub then i don't think upgrading your bios will help
<react-> have you googled that grub error?
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<axnotizes> part
<rainbowjoshua> react-: I'm booting to the CD.  I want to try to get to the /boot partition and see the grub config stuff... I'm not totally sure how.
<Phinite> mathieu: hence the question ;)  was wondering if there was a good reason to install from source.  I'll install via apt
<mathieu> Phinite: :)
<rainbowjoshua> How do I get into recovery mode from the install CD?
<nalioth> rainbowjoshua: at the prompt, type rescue
<VladimirBG> can anyone help me with natilus's cd writing/coping software?
<react-> rainbowjoshua: can't tell you off the top of my head, check the ubuntu website
<mathieu> Phinite: stated otherwise: install it the easy way. if it doesn't satisfy you, install from sources.
<nalioth> VladimirBG: yes, use something else
<rainbowjoshua> nalioth: Thank you.  It doesn't seem to be listed on any of those screens.
<VladimirBG> nalioth, isn't there any way to make it work?
<davro> how can i scan for network printer, on are lan need the printers ip address
<nalioth> VladimirBG: the nautilus built-in burning software is very rudimentary, i suggest k3b, but you may also use gnomebaker or graveman
<VladimirBG> nalioth, I really like the simlicity of just rigth-clicking and selecting copy
<nalioth> VladimirBG: i don't use it for that reason.
<Organs> Wooo.  Ubuntu works for laptops YAY.
<VladimirBG> nalioth, well, any help is welcome
<nalioth> VladimirBG: did you have a specific question concering that program?
<rainbowjoshua> Oooh, rescue mode, cool.
<VladimirBG> nalioth, yes, when I try to copy data disc it unmounts the source voulume and displays error , something like no media present
<rinke> Hee
<rjw-sf> Hey, I had a question if anyone has a second.
<VladimirBG> nalioth, and when I tryed to copy an audio disk to an image it took over 30 min and when was finaly done, and when I wanted to burn the image it said something about file not being valid image file
<freenode_> Which package do I need to get 'startx'?
<nalioth> VladimirBG: i don't have much experience with nautilus cd burner, may i recommend you spend less time using a dedicated burning client?
<nalioth> freenode_: xserver-xorg
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<VladimirBG> nalioth, never mind
<VladimirBG> Nakkel, thanks anyway
<HedgeMage> This is slightly OT, but does anyhow know how, in thunderbird, to change the contents of the "So-and-so said:" line that prefaces the quoted text of a usenet post one replies to?
<VladimirBG> nalioth, thanks anyway
<freenode_> nalioth : Strange... It is already installed. :/
<nalioth> HedgeMage: there is nobody in ##thunderbird or ##similar ?
<rjw-sf> I just installed ubuntu and am trying to add some more software (using the gui) and it keeps telling me both in the repositories and the add apps part: Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'. But I've set http_proxy, and I've set the proxies in the gui... where else do I need to setup my proxy?
<_jason> HedgeMage: yes I did it once... it involved an about:config like thing in thunderbird.  I found it on the mozilla forums somewhere
<HedgeMage> nalioth: there apparently isn't one... they have it for firefox, but no answer there yet
<HedgeMage> _jason: thanks, I tried searching their help and such, I should have thought to try the forums
<_jason> HedgeMage: for some reason I have this bookmark: http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/tips#beh_downloadstartup , but I do recall having to read something in the forums
<nalioth> HedgeMage: i'd think #mozilla would be a better place to ask (since it has mail/browser/etc)
<freenode_> What if I just installed xserver-xorg and still can't 'startx' from the console?
<K-Zodron> Hi again, I managed to compile a hello world program with gcc :d but how do I run the file? It doesn't seem to start when I doubleclick <.<
<_jason> K-Zodron: ./file if you are in the directory where it was created
<nalioth> freenode_: type 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
<matthes> im on the wine site but its cunfusing the hell outa me
<roico> my samba works only with ip addresses...
<Enthusiast78> nalioth : I think I don't have GDM, but let's try...
<K-Zodron> _jason : oki doki
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: replace it with kdm or w/e your window mangler is
<Enthusiast78> nalioth : sudo: /etc/init.d/gdm: command not found
<Enthusiast78> nalioth : I have only installed xserver-xorg and evilwm
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: are you using gnome or kde ?
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: ah, i see. install xubuntu-desktop
<NegativeSpace> Hi, is it possible to get Shockwave for Firefox?
<_jason> NegativeSpace: not on linux
<matthes> im on the wine site but its cunfusing the hell outa me
<nalioth> matthes: please ask a logical question
<NegativeSpace> _jason So if a site requires it... tough?
<Enthusiast78> nalioth : Isn't there another way? I would like to have only the minimal Xorg and evilwm installed.
<_jason> NegativeSpace: write a letter to macromedia
<NegativeSpace> _jason Heh.
<_jason> NegativeSpace: http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
<roico> my samba works only with ip addresses...
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: you'll need more than an xserver installed
<nalioth> TheFuzzball: xubuntu-desktop is a minimal desktop environment that will install all necessary things to run evilwm
<rjw-sf> so is there someplace special I need to setup my http_proxy so that gnome-app-install can see it?
<Enthusiast78> nalioth : I see. But it will also install xfce4. I'd really like to avoid installing unnecessary things.
<rambo3> then just install xfce
<ciux> whats the future of the ubuntu distribution?
<NegativeSpace> _jason I signed it.
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: you need a window manager. install gdm
<_jason> NegativeSpace: cool
<rambo3> i never install meta packedges , just kde or gnome
<Enthusiast78> nalioth : isn't gdm a login manager?
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: it is a window manager
<venox> gdm?
<venox> gdm is a login manager.
<venox> hahahah
<PyresFlood> Ubuntu  Rocks!  Just as good as Slackware!
<venox> slackware sucks.
<PyresFlood> I agree
<Enthusiast78> PyresFlood : I used to love Slackware, until I found Ubuntu. :)
<venox> haha
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<PyresFlood> I think I may be the same
<PyresFlood> i am using the live cd right now
<NegativeSpace> What's the difference between Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla?
<venox> that live cd is crazy
<PyresFlood> Firefox is better, less bloat,, all around BETTER!
<venox> slow as hell
<PyresFlood> I agree
<HedgeMage> thanks, _jason found it on the forums
<rambo3> difrence is like debian and ubuntu even more
<PyresFlood> But the full install is awsome
<venox> but, where the livecd puts all the files you download?
<PyresFlood> I love how it updates itself
<venox> yeah
<HedgeMage> don't know why I didn't remember they had them in the first place...
<venox> it's nice
<PyresFlood> and  you can get apps  with a click
<NegativeSpace> Why have Mozilla got the two?
<venox> strange things happen on the livecd
<deizi> humm i need some plugins/decoders for kaffeine
<Enthusiast78> I just know I'd love it even more if I could only get evilwm workin'! :P
<PyresFlood> venox,   like how?
<beerockxs> why does ubuntu install cron, anacron and atd, when they all basically do the same?
<venox> PyresFlood, you can download lots of files, do updates, etc.
<mwe> NegativeSpace: firefox is just a different branch. A little like different linux distributions
<venox> like, I have only 384mb of RAM on this PC, and 384mb swap
<venox> and I downloaded all the updates, about 500mb of files from my other computer, and I really don't know where the livecd put all that files. hahahah
<PyresFlood> no swap or anything on this pc with only  lets say  300 mb
<PyresFlood> ram
<venox> yeah
<venox> now see your df -h
<venox> the root partition has about 1gb free haha
<axnotizes> i have the server version of ubuntu, is automatic update available as well?
<venox> (at least that happened here)
<NegativeSpace> mwe Okay, cool. It just seems pointless having Mozilla when Firefox is clearly better.
<edulix> hello people
<edulix> when I launch a task from within the shell, I can suspend it via Ctrl-Z and resume it using %1 or %number and jobs handling
<PyresFlood> I agree NegativeSpace
<edulix> but how can I suspend a task that was not launched from within the shell?
<mwe> NegativeSpace: mabye someone like mozilla more.
<Enthusiast78> Isn't there a way to search for the package with comes with the 'startx' binary?
<edulix> maybe top can handle that ? I don't know
<_jason> Enthusiast78: apt-file search startx
<dereks> Enthusiast78: why would you need to do that
<Enthusiast78> _jason now that's really cool! tks!
<NegativeSpace> mwe Yeah I guess.
<beerockxs> why does ubuntu install cron, anacron and atd, when they all basically do the same?
<Enthusiast78> _jason Hmmm... What if I don't have apt-file?
<_jason> beerockxs: they are different, at least as I understand them
<_jason> Enthusiast78: apt-get install apt-file
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: install it
<beerockxs> _jason, what about klogd and syslogd?
<Enthusiast78> _jason Sorry, I just did 'sudo aptitude install apt-file' but thanks anyway!
<_jason> beerockxs: don't know about those.  have you tried looking at there man pages?
<nalioth> Enthusiast78: make sure you run "sudo apt-file update" before you run it
<_jason> Enthusiast78: that's the better way, my fingers are just used to apt-get
<beerockxs> _jason, ok, klogd is for kernel logging, syslogd for system logginf
<graveson> how can i copy an encrypted dvd
<_michael_> How easy is it to take my laptop, shrink the partition, and bake a dual boot with windows?
<nalioth> michele__: easy as pie
<_michael_> if it's easy... is there a wiki for it?
<nalioth> michele__: the installer will ask you if you'd like to shrink the ntfs partition
<mevvis> hi
<anto9us> michele__, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
<Enthusiast78> nalioth : Thanks.
<_michael_> I'm trying to put windows on a ubuntu machine
<Enthusiast78> _jason : I had a hard time adopting aptitude, but now it feels just natural...
<nalioth> ubotu: tell _michael_ about recover
<rainbowjoshua> ARGH!  I'm in my recovery mode shell and I can't find an editor anywhere!
<_jason> rainbowjoshua: nano
<roico> my samba works only with ip addresses...
<deizi> argh... too used to mIRC... :>
<Ivaldi> Can you run K3B under gnome, or will it just be a huge waste of resources?
<Enthusiast78> deizi yuck! :P
<tonyyarusso> Ivaldi: You can do it.  It might not be quite optimal, but should be fine.
<deizi> x-chat now...
<Ivaldi> tonyyarusso: ok thanks :)
<Ivaldi> gnomebaker and graveman is driving me nuts
<Ivaldi> are*
<rambo3> dont use gnombaker
<Ivaldi> indeed
<rainbowjoshua> _jason:L What?
<TheColonel> Hi
<_michael_> how do i shrink my ubuntu partition?
<_jason> rainbowjoshua: nano is an editor
<LaserJock> any admin types around?
<apokryphos> _michael_: gparted
<_michael_> but i can't shrink the partition i'm using, can I?
<apokryphos> _michael_: I should think you can, it just wouldn't do it immediately. You can always use a LiveCD though.
<tristanmike> _michael_, you can boot to a live disk and use it from there, I've heard gparted has it's own small live cd
<gibbster> How hard is it to upgrade from a server installation to a full installation?
<nalioth> LaserJock: just ask a question
<axnotizes> _michael_: I would used a LiveCD to resize partition.
<axnotizes> e.g. knoppix
<_jason> gibbster: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
<Enthusiast78> gibbster : sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
<gibbster> nice. Thanks guys
<_jason> gibbster: (you only need to enter the command once) :)
<eugenio> hello
<espresso> help! I can't get php to run on the apache server now
<Enthusiast78> :D
<espresso> (at least apache is running... for now)
<gibbster> _jason: yeah, got that ;-)
<_jason> ubotu: tell espresso about lamp
<_michael_> ok, boot to live cd, using gparted to resize current to smaller size, throw windows on the new partition, and use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows to recover my grub?
<apokryphos> espresso: what's the error?
<Vladimir_BG> nalioth, I tried graveman and I got an error mesage
<espresso> when I try to load a .php page from my browser, it doesn't parse
<espresso> it tries to download it
<nalioth> _michael_: that sounds good
<nalioth> Vladimir_BG: is your hardware functional?
<Vladimir_BG> in win xp yes
<_jason> espresso: did you install apache and php from the repositories?
<_michael_> k, i'll be back when i screw up my  puter :)
<espresso> _jason: yes
<_jason> espresso: which packages?
<Vladimir_BG> nalioth, I can read discs in ubuntu, I can read and write in xp!
<espresso> but I've been having other problems with my apache server all day
<espresso> I did manually install 5.1.2 from php.net directly
<Vladimir_BG> nalioth, how can I paste the mesage without flooding?
<nalioth> ubotu: tell Vladimir_BG about paste
<espresso> and it worked... but I broke something else on it along the way
<mackyman> If I haven't noticed wrong when I installed apache, it contained less configs in windows. Or am I wrong?
<espresso> _jason: from apt-get, I did install mysqld and apache2
<rainbowjoshua> oh, nano?  never heard of it.
<rainbowjoshua> What is this weird /dev/mapper stuff?
<_jason> espresso: php5 from the repos seems to set it up fine.  I think because it pulls in libapache2-mod-php5
<espresso> _jason: repos?
<_jason> espresso: repositories
<espresso> well I did something to make it not want to go there...
<csgirl> hello, I try to install skype using :sudo apt-get install getskype-linux-deb.deb
<csgirl>     but it shows me a lot of warnings:Couldn't stat source package list
<espresso> hmm... maybe I need to include in my virtualhosts file
<apokryphos> csgirl: sudo apt-get update, first
<apokryphos> csgirl: and to install skype just /msg ubotu skype
<nalioth> ubotu: tell csgirl about seveas
<csgirl> thanks
<K-Zodron> Hello again! :P I have a new question, i'm installing the SDL packages for gcc, but sudo apt-get packagename.deb says can not find file, even trough it's on the desktop :d
!lilo:*! Hi all. Need fluent translation assistance, English (US) <-> Spanish (CL)....please message me.... thanks!
<graveson> can anyone proivde me tips on converting an mpg file to a dvd
<nalioth> ubotu: tell K-Zodron about deb
<rambo3> k-zodron  try synaptic  and no .deb
<K-Zodron> ty
<espresso> _jason: I apt-got libapache2-mod-php5 and nothing
<deizi> There were no decoders found to handle the stream blaablaa while trying open avi's etc
<K-Zodron> rambo3: Can I find the sdl libs with synaptic?
<_jason> espresso: did you restart apache?
<mackyman> K-Zodron, I think you shuld use dpkg -i <filename>
<rambo3> yeah
<raimundo> Hola
<Ivaldi> Can I safely burn more than 4.4 GB onto a single layer dvd disc in K3B?
<K-Zodron> mackyman : i tried, same error basically
<rambo3> search for gcc libs or standard libs gcc
<raimundo> Hello everybody!!
<raimundo> from spain
<raimundo> with Ubuntu
<K-Zodron> ramblingturtle : kk
<mackyman> Okej... then I don't know
<K-Zodron> ops
<K-Zodron> wrong nick
<K-Zodron> rambo3 *
<K-Zodron> well, cya
<espresso> _jason: yes
<espresso> _jason: apt-get restarted apache during the install
<_jason> espresso: don't know then
<Sturmkraehe> hm
<espresso> thanks anywho
<Ivaldi> I don't see why I can fit less data onto a dvd in K3B than I can fit in gnomebaker
<rainbowjoshua> I'm stuck for an editor that works in my rescue mode shell.... vi and vim act weird... and I don't have nano installed...
<espresso> I do appreciate the help :)
<_jason> espresso: check that /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf exists
<espresso> _jason: nooooo it don't
<_jason> espresso: ok well that's what enables php for me... I assume it's because you installed from php.net that you don't have it.  I do however believe that if you grep /etc/apache2/apache2.conf for php, you will find two lines that begin with ``Addtype'' that you need to uncomment
<espresso> hmm... I know of the two lines you speak
<bloodnik> Hi, is there something I don't know about Java? If I search apt-cache for j2sdk it returns something about Blackdown Java?
<espresso> _jason: just nwo a matter of "where are the files"
<bloodnik> Is this the "default" version of Java? 'cause as far as I knew, Java was Java.
<_jason> ubotu: tell bloodnik about java
<rambo3> its open java like open drivers and such
<rambo3> if you wish closed read wiki
!lilo:*! Thanks to everyone who messaged....we're set!
<espresso> _jason: edited... restarted... still nothing :(
<yohan> i just recompiled the kernel (to 2.6.14) and the sound stopped working, any ideas?
<espresso> I found the two lines in question too
<jordo23> What's the command line to get your system name?
<_jason> espresso: all i can think of is installing php5 from the repos then.  Otherwise you may want to try #php
<bimberi> jordo23: hostname
<rambo3> yohan use dappers kernel ,if you make your own you are on your own
<yohan> rambo3: but is the fault in the kernel or would reinstalling alsa fix it?
<yohan> rambo3: im using breezy btw
<rambo3> depends. you might have misconfigured config for kernel
<rambo3> taken out driver that you need or something
<yohan> can i upgrade to the dapper kernel without any screwups, whilst still running breezy?
<espresso> #php sent me here
<seyon> hi, i'm using dapper at this moment, and i can't print pdf files. it only prints a blank page
<yohan> can i do a fast reconfiguration or do i have to repeat the process?
<espresso> I think I nailed it tho... I have to find that php5.conf and rearrange the pointers to it
<rambo3> yeah save source.list.backup , change it to dapper install the kernel and change it back
<ian_> what do you guys think about apt-get doing an rsync with the previous version of a package, if available?
<lunari> Hello
<yohan> rambo3: do you have any guide somewhere in doing that? :4
<rambo3> wait i l type one liner
<yohan> k
<nalioth> seyon: join #ubuntu+1 for dapper help and discussion
<lunari> Going to put Ubuntu on my Thinkpad i1200, when I try to boot the live cd it freezes at 86% of Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives, at that point it is Loading module 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'.. any suggestions?
<rambo3> sudo sed -ie 's/breezy/dapper/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
<rainbowjoshua> I'm in the grub menu and I can't figure out how to do shit!  I've got both my drives in.
<bloodnik> thanks, think I got it.
<bloodnik> byes
<rambo3> then you search for your linux-image with apt-cache search linux-image
<seyon> tks nalioth
<jace> how do I enable dual monitors?
<yohan> rambo3: yeah but how would i upgrade the kernel?
<rambo3> and change back  sudo sed -ie 's/dapper/breezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
<jace> yohan, use the update manager to update your kernal
<rambo3> with apt-get install kernel-image ?
<eirejah> hello .. anyone have some good links on how to change your theme and desktop look etc in ubuntu/gnome  ??
<eirejah> !themes
<rambo3> linux-image
<lunari> Going to put Ubuntu on my Thinkpad i1200, when I try to boot the live cd it freezes at 86% of Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives, at that point it is Loading module 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'.. any suggestions?
<yohan> oh k
<yohan> will i have to reinstall fglrx and stuff? which kernel is it btw?
<caglar_> what do I have to change to get dead keys back? i want to press ^ twice to get it once because I am not able to get it over a vocal (need it to write french) (have a german keyboard)
<yohan> 2.6.15 or 16 maybe?
<rambo3> i think its 15
<jace> !tell jace multiple displays
<yohan> great
<rambo3> why did you rcompile your kernel yohan
<yohan> thanks a bunch guys
<jace> !tell yohan kernal
<yohan> i read a guide on ubuntuforums
<caglar_> !tell caglar multiple displays
<caglar_> !tell caglar_ multiple displays
<rambo3> sound 